2020-10-03

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164661 Mark H, 4, #1 of 1099 🔗

First!

164664 mjr, 2, #2 of 1099 🔗

almost!!!!!!!

164665 Colin, #3 of 1099 🔗

Third man!

164667 The Spingler, 1, #4 of 1099 🔗

Missed it again

164669 Emily Tock, replying to Emily Tock, 3, #5 of 1099 🔗

Phillip Nolan, president of Maynooth Uni in Ireland, getting some pushback replies on his context-less and misleading graphs/figures: https://twitter.com/President_MU/status/1311953972274565120

164843 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Emily Tock, 6, #6 of 1099 🔗

Historically, the Catholic Church ruled by fiat from Maynooth. Nolan seems to think that he has inherited that power.

165154 ▶▶▶ Fiat, replying to Ewan Duffy, 5, #7 of 1099 🔗

Just like to point out that I have never ruled the Catholic Church…

165391 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Fiat, 2, #8 of 1099 🔗

Now’s your chance, while everybody’s busy worshipping the Covid god.

164670 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 60, #9 of 1099 🔗

When this is over and the regime is gone the authorities must publish the names and addresses of the collaborators and informants

They should be published in local newspapers and pinned to village notice boards

164721 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, 15, #10 of 1099 🔗

Local barbers will be busy shaving the heads of collaborators.

164726 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 8, #11 of 1099 🔗

Blunt their razors,

164738 ▶▶ Sue, replying to Cecil B, 5, #12 of 1099 🔗

get the lamposts ready – 3rd one on the left for doris…

164756 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Sue, 35, #13 of 1099 🔗

I can’t go along with all this talk of putting people against walls and shooting them or hanging people from lamp posts. Capitol punishment or even a mob lynching and execution are real horrors. Beyond horror.

If any of you saw somebody get hoisted by their neck with a rope up a lamp post and left to die horribly, or shot dead in an execution, you would never be the same gain. I have unfortunately to have seen footage of stuff like this. These things happen a lot. I wish I had never seen it. You can’t un-see these things.

Can we stop saying things like this please.

Sorry Sue not having a go at your personally honestly. I realise the fantasy of justice for these fools that are ruining our lives is a common theme for us all.

It’s just that I keep seeing calles for hangings etc and it cranks my tractor.

164817 ▶▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Ewan Duffy, 4, #15 of 1099 🔗

Apparently, people who have been former captives of the CIA claimed they were subject to torture by being locked in a room and have the Bee Gees playing on repeat…. 🙂

164864 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 1, #16 of 1099 🔗

All we need is orange jump suits and shackles in order to have our national Guantanamo.

164966 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to RickH, 1, #17 of 1099 🔗

Well, we have the masks

164770 ▶▶▶▶ Strange Days, replying to Two-Six, 8, #18 of 1099 🔗

Agree 100%, lynching is abhorrent. I suggest the reintroduction of the stocks

164808 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Strange Days, 6, #19 of 1099 🔗

The stocks were a very clever way of allowing the public to judge a criminal.
If they judged him/her truly culpable they could throw mud and odour, if not they could lay flowers, feed them and protect them from the elements.

165734 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Monty Bodkin, replying to karenovirus, 2, #20 of 1099 🔗

The public (or mob) used also to throw anything that came to hand like lumps of masonry or bottles. The stocks/pillories would often result in death or maiming. If the miscreant could afford to pay for the protection of a heavy mob, he/she might get off relatively lightly.

166237 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to karenovirus, 1, #21 of 1099 🔗

Culpable usually meant big stones.

164810 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sue, replying to Strange Days, 5, #22 of 1099 🔗

yes perhaps the stocks is a good compromise! Any rotten tomatoes around 🙂

165359 ▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Strange Days, 3, #23 of 1099 🔗

The stocks – yes!

Reminds me:
To market, to market I took Uncle Jim.
Somebody threw a tomato at him.
”Tomatoes can’t hurt me”, he said with a grin.
But the next bugger did cos it came in a tin.

The price of tinned tomatoes would go through the roof!

164800 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Two-Six, 6, #24 of 1099 🔗

I agree but ritual public humiliation is in order.
Introduce public viewing galleries in new Covid Convict internment camps.

165314 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lili, replying to karenovirus, 14, #25 of 1099 🔗

They should all simply be made to live out the rest of their days in the panopticon-communist style to which they are currently forcing us to live OUR lives; mandatory masks everywhere unless eating/drinking/sitting down;living under constant rule changes to keep them wrong footed and confused; no interaction with anyone for days on end then allowed to have a few hours here and there socialising but always 2 metres from anyone; no physical contact and Marshals watching their every move and fining them for every small breach of the ever changing rules.

165393 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Lili, 2, #26 of 1099 🔗

Like it.

165394 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Lili, 2, #27 of 1099 🔗

I could get behind that for these evil dooers.

164821 ▶▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to Two-Six, 4, #28 of 1099 🔗

Totally agree. This – https://www.thebernician.net/mps-served-notice-of-private-criminal-prosecution-for-pandemic-fraud/ – would be more appropriate for a modern society governed by the rule of law.

Don’t know if it’s genuine, but it would be nice if it were.

164873 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Andrew Fish, #29 of 1099 🔗

Error message, too much traffic ?

164890 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to karenovirus, #30 of 1099 🔗

Possibly, but it’s still working for me.

165055 ▶▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Two-Six, 1, #31 of 1099 🔗

These traitors deserve nothing less.

165169 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Two-Six, 7, #32 of 1099 🔗

“These fools” have already been responsible for the murder of tens of thousands of our fellow citizens and they are now making millions jobless.

Next up will be the dodgiest set of vaccines ever, which are very likely meant to be intentionally harmful. The public will be vaccinated whether they like it or not, either through blackmail or by outright compulsion.

All this madness and mayhem for an infection which just about rivals the common cold in its lethality and you want us to go easy on these power grabbing bastards!

Keep that tractor crank handy, as you may well need it before too long.

165363 ▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Rowan, 2, #33 of 1099 🔗

Yes – vaccine mandatory. Read the reply to the petition:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/323442
especially the words:
”…the Government will carefully consider all options to improve vaccination rates, should that be necessary.”

165392 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Two-Six, 2, #34 of 1099 🔗

Capitol punishment is for Caesars only.

164671 zacaway, replying to zacaway, 39, #35 of 1099 🔗

I’ve suspected for a while now that the Government’s exit strategy is to stick everyone with a placebo vaccine. No need to make one that actually works when it’s actually pretty mild for most people.

164690 ▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to zacaway, 26, #36 of 1099 🔗

Indeed but you will need your biometric ID card and immunity passport and social credit details to leave the house, which is sort of the point of whole process.

164697 ▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to 6097 Smith W, 21, #37 of 1099 🔗

Of course, I’m coming around to realising that is the point, especially after Ellwood’s statement in the Commons a few days ago. Plus a nice payday for the pharams.

164739 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to zacaway, 18, #38 of 1099 🔗

I am still a bit shocked that this is now in plain sight and still people are oblivious. And the other members of the house didnt bat an eyelid. There should have been uproar that the idea was even being put forward. Maybe it wasnt a shock for them- maybe they were expecting it.

164815 ▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to 6097 Smith W, 19, #39 of 1099 🔗

And you will still need the mask. The vaccine will only protect you from sars-cov-2 while the mask protects everyone from everything including the next deadly pandemic which bill gates has already informed us will be worse.

164962 ▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Saved To Death, 4, #40 of 1099 🔗

And if anyone should know, it’s Gates.
We wryly talk about it, but it’s there alright, waiting in the wings with enhanced pathogenicity.

164964 ▶▶ Steve Jones, replying to zacaway, 9, #41 of 1099 🔗

This article in the FT explains the vaccine trials well:

https://www.ft.com/content/e5012891-58da-4a4f-8a05-182adf3ba0e2

The main point is that it is regarded as impossible to create a vaccine to give full immunity, so they have to do the best they can, so to test the efficacy of that, they take a large number of people, divide them into two groups,and inject everyone in one group, no-one in the other, the control group.Then they wait for N people in the control group to get sick, when that happens, they count how many are sick in the vaccine group and if it is far fewer and symptoms are far milder, they say the vaccine works. And that’s as good as it gets.

165354 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to zacaway, 4, #42 of 1099 🔗

A placebo is a real possibility with the first shot. This would effectively silence the doubters, as there would be few reports of vaccine damage. However, Bill Gates has already said that we will need boosters every few months, so I would suggest that these subsequent shots would be not be anything like so friendly. Cuddly old Bill really wants rid of most of us and one way or another he isn’t going to waste this once in a lifetime opportunity.

164673 JohnB, replying to JohnB, 22, #43 of 1099 🔗

With the huge amount of web links being pasted in the comments section these days, please can everyone be aware not to just randomly clink on the links. One way to check the web link would be to enter the link address at Virustotal’s URL checker which is below:

https://www.virustotal.com/gui/home/url

But please do be aware that if the link contains a link to malware that is newly created and unknown to antivirus companies it will not show as malicious.

If someone has posted a shortened web link so you can’t see what website it goes to and what it is actually opening, you can use the CheckShortURL website which will show you what web address the link is actually opening:

http://checkshorturl.com

Always be careful and think twice before clicking on a link as you can easily infect your computer or mobile device without knowing.

164694 ▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to JohnB, 9, #44 of 1099 🔗

But can we trust your links? 🤔

164702 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to 6097 Smith W, 17, #45 of 1099 🔗

Not normally, but it’s the weekend and I’m not working for the 77th brigade today!

164674 Recusant, replying to Recusant, 32, #46 of 1099 🔗

You complacent fools, the second wave was never the big one. We always said that the third wave was the one you have to worry about.

164675 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Recusant, 12, #47 of 1099 🔗

I was told the 28th wave was the one to be wary of!

164678 ▶▶▶ Recusant, replying to JohnB, 5, #48 of 1099 🔗

That will only be a worry if we can’t round you all up and give you the vaccine we are developing. Knowing what a selfish bastard you are, skipper, we will have to do it by force. It’s for your own good.

164682 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Recusant, 1, #49 of 1099 🔗

According to the schedule and if they can produce enough we’ll all have been vaccinated by September next year according to the Royal Society.

164684 ▶▶▶▶▶ Recusant, replying to JohnB, 11, #50 of 1099 🔗

By then, if cases double every seven days, there will be 10 trillion cases a day. There is no way we can vaccinate that many people in time.

164688 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Recusant, 8, #51 of 1099 🔗

I can’t wait to see Whitty and Valance present that graph!

165065 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to JohnB, 2, #52 of 1099 🔗

Errrrrm NO

165046 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to JohnB, 1, #53 of 1099 🔗

Will there be a CV tsunami?

164677 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Recusant, 8, #54 of 1099 🔗

I always thought this was the 3rd wave. No one has explained the 5,000 or so excess deaths that occurred in Nov/Dec 2019 in the UK.

164686 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to crimsonpirate, 4, #55 of 1099 🔗

With that water sample from Barcelona in March 2019 testing positive, there’s a good chance that this is at least the 4th wave

164695 ▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to JohnB, 2, #56 of 1099 🔗

I thought that had been discounted, if only because it didn’t fit the narrative!

164699 ▶▶▶▶ Strange Days, replying to JohnB, 5, #57 of 1099 🔗

I bet you could get a positive PCR test from ancient remains, a bog body or Egyptian mummy for example.

164712 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Strange Days, 13, #58 of 1099 🔗

I’ve got some Ammonites fossils from Robin Hood’s Bay which could be up to 250 million years old. My money is on them testing positive!

164725 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to JohnB, 7, #59 of 1099 🔗

Stands to reason, they got Covid and went extinct.
Now to test Tyrannosaurus rex…

164735 ▶▶▶▶▶ alw, replying to Strange Days, 19, #60 of 1099 🔗

Kerry Mullis won a Nobel price for inventing the PCR test

”With a PCR test you can find almost anything in anybody. It allows you to take miniscule amounts of something and talk about it like it’s important”

Let that sink in.

164778 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Strange Days, replying to alw, 2, #61 of 1099 🔗

Kary Banks Mullis, but yes to the rest. That was the point of my post

164711 ▶▶▶ PaulH, replying to crimsonpirate, 6, #62 of 1099 🔗

That doesn’t fit the narrative, so it’s a non-fact.

Most people I know who had it caught it then. When it “wasn’t here”.

164730 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to crimsonpirate, 10, #63 of 1099 🔗

I remember asking several people in early January whether they had enjoyed their two week Xmas/New Year break from work, many said
” no not really, I spent most of it ill in bed”.

165047 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to karenovirus, 2, #64 of 1099 🔗

Well said.

164705 ▶▶ The Spingler, replying to Recusant, 6, #65 of 1099 🔗

Surely it’s the Mexican Wave we have to be terrified of?

164707 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to The Spingler, 2, #66 of 1099 🔗

They only take place during the Wimbledon fortnight don’t they?

164724 ▶▶ annie, replying to Recusant, 3, #67 of 1099 🔗

In Ireland, the wave to watch out for is always the ninth. Now that is long haul.

164747 ▶▶ Sue, replying to helen, 5, #69 of 1099 🔗

we’ll know how a pin cushion feels!! 🙂 I think that the state apparatus is so frekin useless that to vaccinate everybody is beyond their ability and they’ll not have enough vaccine or resources to achieve it.

164750 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to helen, 1, #70 of 1099 🔗

That was well worth watching in full, 4 months ago and it’s all panning out

164680 Censored Dog, replying to Censored Dog, 10, #71 of 1099 🔗

Judging by how the Mayor of Middlesbrough is reacting to this nonsense, I don’t think this hysteria will last until the end of the year, let alone for 6 months.

164687 ▶▶ Nic, replying to Censored Dog, 5, #72 of 1099 🔗

He soon backed down thoough

164693 ▶▶▶ Sally, replying to Nic, 4, #73 of 1099 🔗
164729 ▶▶▶▶ PaulH, replying to Sally, 16, #74 of 1099 🔗

Yep. Another politician who crumbles when expose to light.

“Pls note…I don’t welcome endorsements from Covid deniers, conspiracy theorists or doyles…”

OK mate, we mustn’t ask any questions.

Waste of space.

164757 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to PaulH, 2, #75 of 1099 🔗

What’s a ‘doyle’ 🤔 ?

164855 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to karenovirus, 1, #76 of 1099 🔗

I did not know either but apparently “An insult. Implying that some one is of less than average intelligence.”.

164881 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Saved To Death, 4, #77 of 1099 🔗

Ain’t that a bit racist, Doyle being a common Irish surname?

165232 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to karenovirus, 1, #78 of 1099 🔗

Exactly. Note the nudge-nudge comments by him and others about this term on his Twatter feed. Charming. MW

164892 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to karenovirus, #79 of 1099 🔗

I assumed a reference to Simon Doyle (who’s actually opposing the Government with his judicial review application). Presumably the implication being a supporter of that is also a nutter.

164901 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to zacaway, 2, #80 of 1099 🔗

Dolan

164909 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to Victoria, 1, #81 of 1099 🔗

Whoops, yes. My bad

164896 ▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to PaulH, 9, #82 of 1099 🔗

Smoke and mirrors, gives an illusion he is doing something, his tweets were misleading as he was still banging on about ‘beating’ the virus, socially distancing and gimp masks i.e. the ‘new (ab)normal’

We need somebody to stand up and say the virus is endemic, no worse than flu and to grow some balls and live with it, stop all of the fraudulent safety measures and get back to normal.

If you catch it, go to bed with a paracetamol and a cup of tea.

164906 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to stefarm, 8, #83 of 1099 🔗

Respectable and qualified people are saying that (Prof Carl Heneghan et al). Nobody is listening though.

165009 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to zacaway, 4, #84 of 1099 🔗

I know that is what does my head in the most

164783 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Sally, 11, #85 of 1099 🔗

Absolutely pathetic. He was threatened / paid off.

164689 ▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to Censored Dog, 10, #86 of 1099 🔗

I dearly hope you are right. He’s an outlier, though, because he’s an independent mayor. Most of our mayors are aligned with a party that is fully signed up to the nonsense, and even if they themselves are not, they just go along with it.

I really want to move to Middlesbrough, though. Rod Liddle, who now admits he’s come round to our way of thinking, was superb on this on Talk Radio last night. Great interview as he slugged back the wine and dragged on a fag. https://youtu.be/1lfOgWOGJBs

164728 ▶▶▶ LS99, replying to Now More Than Ever, 4, #87 of 1099 🔗

“Slugged on the wine” – that’s a bit unfair, he was testing himself!

164885 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to LS99, 6, #88 of 1099 🔗

Missed that first time around, now I’ve seen the vid at the end of Toby’s piece.

I was testing with a nice malt most of yesterday and everything was fine until I woke up feeling rough and with a bit of a sniffle. Better self isolate for the day.

165468 ▶▶▶▶▶ LS99, replying to karenovirus, 1, #89 of 1099 🔗

Daily testing … not such a bad idea!

164715 ▶▶ PaulH, replying to Censored Dog, 18, #90 of 1099 🔗

It will last as long as it has to last.

The vaccine and “health passports” will soon be ready and they will keep the fear going until people have been bullied into accepting this “New Order”.

It might look chaotic, but the plan is actually working pretty well: frightened people who are easily controlled and manipulated.

164858 ▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to PaulH, 4, #91 of 1099 🔗

I don’t think they will ever let up on the fear. They will come up with another way to terrorise the population.

164719 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Censored Dog, 9, #92 of 1099 🔗

There will be no end to this. Even when a vaccine is produced and rolled out to the population, the Gov will still enforce social distancing, masks, and parts of the country will be locked down. These restrictions are permanent now.

164767 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to JohnB, 11, #93 of 1099 🔗

Closing down hospitality at 10pm will certainly be permanent probably with a 10.30 general curfew to keep us safe from the Covid.

10.30 pub closing was introduced as an emergency measure during WW1 but was not repealed until this century, bizarrely by that barrel of laughs Gordon Brown.

164813 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Censored Dog, 4, #94 of 1099 🔗

the same mayor who locked the parks

164681 mjr, replying to mjr, 14, #95 of 1099 🔗

Just a reminder about what we are up against and how insidious the BBC propaganda. Friday night R4 following AnyQuestions .. (which i just cannot be bothered to listen to any more)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000myxf
“A point of view -The pro mask movement” with Bernadine Evaristo writer, lecturer, self confessed luvvie, woke, woke , darling of the literati, booker prize and desert island discs last month
It is only 10 minutes long. Inaccuracies, contradictions, slanders, you name it. This is the BBC view. Listen to it and despair

164685 ▶▶ mjr, replying to mjr, 5, #96 of 1099 🔗

and so woke woke woke!!!! (just in case that did not come across)

164811 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to mjr, 4, #97 of 1099 🔗

Woko Ono

164956 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to crimsonpirate, 4, #98 of 1099 🔗

Coronanist (Genesis 38:9)

164846 ▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to mjr, 8, #99 of 1099 🔗

Don’t listen to it—-or any other BBC junk for that matter—and don’t despair!

165432 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #100 of 1099 🔗

Well-proven cure!

164683 Nic, replying to Nic, 14, #101 of 1099 🔗

Another day another vaccine story.today the headline is we could all be vaccinated by easter!
Wev heard it all before it’s been october , x mas january.
It’s all to keep the population compliant keep dangling the carrot .all we have to do is to get to easter ! And then it will be spring , and it will go on and on!

164692 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to Nic, 10, #102 of 1099 🔗

Don’t worry – they will come up with a “vaccine” (or placebo) to make sure all those lovely pharmaceuticals companies get paid.

164765 ▶▶▶ Sue, replying to zacaway, 5, #103 of 1099 🔗

read the article above about pharma and it sounds as though the vaccines being developed will be no better than taking a lemsip!!

164827 ▶▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to Sue, 4, #104 of 1099 🔗

Lemsip doesn’t make you feel worse.

164884 ▶▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to Sue, 2, #105 of 1099 🔗

Yes exactly! (That’s why I put it in quotes, sarcasm doesn’t always come across well in text)

164691 annie, replying to annie, 58, #106 of 1099 🔗

Had to laugh at your reader’s story shout his local GP waiting room. Notice saying that if you feel ill you must go straight home.
It isn’t really funny, I know, but the crass absurdity of it…

164703 ▶▶ dpj, replying to annie, 57, #107 of 1099 🔗

I’ve heard a few similar stories about how people are treated at GP surgeries. As far as I’m concerned if you are working as a GP and you have a problem with being in same room as someone who is unwell you should consider a different career.

164772 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to dpj, 13, #108 of 1099 🔗

Like that teachers Union leader complaining about children getting snot on her frock.

165041 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to karenovirus, 2, #109 of 1099 🔗

She would have been alright teaching in the 50’s, even the teachers including the head Master/Mistress had snotty noses.

164771 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, 24, #110 of 1099 🔗

If you remember the government pre lockdown advice “if you feel ill don’t go to your GP or A & E, stay home but if you don’t get better call 911”

Which meant that you could not benefit from early medical intervention and so more likely to die.

164784 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to karenovirus, 14, #111 of 1099 🔗

They had to boost the death rate in as many way as they could. A multi-faceted approach, I think they call it.

164799 ▶▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Two-Six, 9, #112 of 1099 🔗

While I would not have expected anything less from the government it is surprising so many doctors and nurses eagerly complied and continue to do so.

165305 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Saved To Death, 8, #113 of 1099 🔗

Many doctors and some other health professionals have shown their true colours and their first concerns are little to do with the health of patients. Of course surgeries will now be busying themselves with the flu vaccine, as it pays a nice bonus and no doubt doctors will be given a much bigger bounty for injecting the very dodgy Covid-19 vaccines. Nothing much else will be allowed to get in the way and most won’t mind being collaborators, if the pay’s okay.

164968 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to karenovirus, 2, #114 of 1099 🔗

And that remains the advice, I believe…

164894 ▶▶ JulieR, replying to annie, 21, #115 of 1099 🔗

It’s appalling what’s happening to health service.
I have relatives in Russia. Their GP clinics have been opened since June. No telephone consultations.
And British government like critisising Russian government.
Dentists are working normally too.

165033 ▶▶ PaulH, replying to annie, 8, #116 of 1099 🔗

Train companies have wished passengers would stay home for ages so that they could get on with running their railway.

Looks like the same attitude has now infected doctors.

Let’s all clap them.

165036 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to annie, 5, #117 of 1099 🔗

Our doctor’s waiting room was exactly the same the other day, when I walked in, I thought I was on the “Mary Celeste”,not even a receptionist was there.

164696 Rabbit, replying to Rabbit, 5, #118 of 1099 🔗

This is a good video to send to those thick people, that is just about short enough to explain things before their eyes glaze over.

https://youtu.be/ZeqGtyptonI

164952 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Rabbit, 2, #119 of 1099 🔗

It’s noted here under ‘Round-up’ (last one on the list). Often the best part of these posts and not to be missed.

164700 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 9, #120 of 1099 🔗

There is a simple explanation for the empty doctors surgery

They are all dead

164991 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Cecil B, 4, #121 of 1099 🔗

I live opposite a funeral director. Busy in April, dead (excuse the pun) the last 2-3 months.
Picked up a little the last week.

165244 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Cecil B, 3, #122 of 1099 🔗

Or imprisoned in care homes with DNR’s on their head. Deprived of their families and just waiting to die with no medical care. Those of us in our own homes will follow as we are getting NO medical care or the surgeries we need and paid for via our contributions.

164701 guy153, replying to guy153, 4, #123 of 1099 🔗

Idk if anyone posted this yesterday when they came out, but there are the latest ONS Covid-19 Infection Survey results:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/bulletins/coronaviruscovid19infectionsurveypilot/englandwalesandnorthernireland2october2020

In particular see Figure 4.

This is by far the best data about what is actually happening with the dreaded Second Ripple since the ONS have a plausible justification for an FPR of < 0.05% in the PCR testing they are doing (which is not the same as that done by Pillar 2) and are the only people attempting to do a random sample. They are also plotting their graphs with error bars.

As I was expecting, a modest increase in the East of England and other areas that had remained flat. Most other places appear to have already peaked, although the North East is one to keep an eye on.

The way I expect these ripples to behave (now that we are all so focussed on them 🙂 is that they take about three or four weeks to reach a new equilibrium.

For example, R0 might be 2 in the summer but 2.2 in the early autumn, and 2.5 at Christmas. Every time you increase R0 with a small behaviour change infection levels take about three or four weeks to catch up to the new herd immunity threshold. Perhaps a bit longer as it isn’t the same in all areas at once. But it’s a very efficient process because of the inherently exponential way that these things spread and it depends much more on the incubation and infectious periods than on the population size or the change of equilibrium. The initial pandemic (taking R0 from 0 to 2, or whatever it is, but a big jump) also only takes about three or four weeks.

164727 ▶▶ Mark H, replying to guy153, 8, #124 of 1099 🔗

Yet this ONS report continually refers to “COVID-19” infection. COVID-19 is the disease the immune system response results in. SARS-Cov-2 is the virus that people who have this immune system response are infected with.

The ONS is conflating terms, which supports the media’s reporting of CV19 cases, which are, in fact, positive PCR tests, not “COVID-19” infections per se.

165190 ▶▶ hat man, replying to guy153, 2, #125 of 1099 🔗

It is good, yes. But does anyone know how to get hold of more localised data on testing? PHE obligingly lets us feast our eyes on the ‘cases’ (i.e. what they want us to see) right down to the level of local authorities. But data on no. of tests performed are only broken down as far as nation level.

164704 PaulH, replying to PaulH, 29, #126 of 1099 🔗

“none of them are aiming to produce a vaccine that prevents infection or reduces likelihood of death.”

1) This means that the risk-benefit balance for most people looks even less favourable than it did. Why bother with an unproven product with possible long term dangers if it won’t even preven you from catching the CV-19?

2) This also leave the “herd immunity” argument looking pretty thin. They were always going to say “get the jab to protect granny”, but that looks pretty threadbare if you will still be able to infect her even after you have been vaccinated.

3) What’s the point in Ellwood’s vaccination passports if you will still be able to carry and spread CV-19 after you have been vaccinated? Without full sterilising immunity, these would now seem pointless even in their own terms.

But hey, what’s the betting they will just carry on regardless? Every day it looks like this has more to do with getting people into an electronic control grid (“health passports”) with a social credit system attached than anyone’s health.

164733 ▶▶ alw, replying to PaulH, 14, #127 of 1099 🔗

it’s illegal under international law to mandate that a person accepts a medical intervention to which they do not consent.

164737 ▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to alw, 5, #128 of 1099 🔗

Unless it is in “a very specific and limited way”.

Who’s going to stop them?

164762 ▶▶▶ PaulH, replying to alw, 10, #129 of 1099 🔗

They will simply deny access to travel, many kinds of work and social events.

It will not be mandatory in a formal sense, but if you exercise your right of informed consent, you will be progressively excluded from society.

This will be for “public safety”.

165118 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to alw, 2, #130 of 1099 🔗

But you know how it works. You won’t be forced, but if you want to.. travel, get on a plane, work in certain jobs, you’ll be barred from doing so without jumping through the medical hoops they demand.

And maybe one could argue even that is illegal and discriminatory, but the lawsuit will take forever and cost a fortune and so everybody will just comply.

164734 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to PaulH, 8, #131 of 1099 🔗

It only makes sense if you take the red pill. The point of it is to setup the new control infrastructure – health passports & all the checks they will prevent you doing anything without a green light from the Government-controlled heath passport.

164706 Sally, replying to Sally, 25, #132 of 1099 🔗

Fraser Nelson is indulging in wishful thinking. This madness won’t end unless Johnson is replaced, and I’m not sure who would offer a sane alternative.

164716 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Sally, 9, #133 of 1099 🔗

There are some, and Toby has been one of them, who think they can show our masters a way back to sanity that allows them to save face.

My guess is that Bojo realised he just couldn’t make the leap back shortly after the first three weeks. So yes, Nelson is wasting his time and credibility.

164723 ▶▶ PaulH, replying to Sally, 21, #134 of 1099 🔗

He is indeed. There’s no chance of any of this happening.

Johnson will just keep on doubling down now until we have mandatory vaccination, health passports, cashless society and a Chinese-style social credit system.

That was always the plan; CV-19 is their big chance, they have shown their hand now and there is no way they will change course now unless they are forced to.

164766 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Sally, 8, #135 of 1099 🔗

If such actions have no consequence – and I don’t consider begin replaced a suitable consequence as that is to happen at some point anyway – then this will never end. Those responsible for this need to face trial and we need to remove permanently this power over people that the government has assumed.

164708 karenovirus, #136 of 1099 🔗

pm THUMB.

Thank you for taking the trouble of contacting your legal friend, I will pass that on to the young lady concerned. As I said, she is perfectly sensible which is why she asked me for my opinion in the first place. Should anything interesting develope I will post again but I doubt it.

164709 Emma, replying to Emma, 21, #137 of 1099 🔗

Lucky person who was allowed a routine blood test. I’ve been denied this privilege since March, and now we are on alert level 4 I’m also not allowed the steroid injection I’ve been waiting for for three months for a frozen shoulder. When I spoke to the receptionist and reminded her that our CMO says the NHS is open for business, she said ‘I don’t know anything about that.’ Why not ffs??

164720 ▶▶ annie, replying to Emma, 4, #138 of 1099 🔗

Poor you. Frozen shoulder is horrid.

164722 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Emma, 12, #139 of 1099 🔗

GP receptionists are often a breed apart. Not always but often. Presenting them with readable facts used to bring out some chief dragon who you can more easily present facts for them to absorb. They then used to look into things and admit, in a face saving roumdabout way, that your readable fact is true.

All of that long gone now of course since GPs locked their doors and have become impenetrable fortresses of pointlessness.

164774 ▶▶ Hampshire Sceptic, replying to Emma, 6, #140 of 1099 🔗

Send an email to the surgery marked “for the urgent attention of Dr X” explaining the problem. I found this worked for me and doctor then phoned me.

164789 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Hampshire Sceptic, 3, #141 of 1099 🔗

Dr Who?
Actually my mate who I am seeing tonight had a frozen shoulder and it got better. I will find out what he did to help it and let you know.

164985 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Emma, 3, #142 of 1099 🔗

Have you had any physio on your shoulder? I had, what the doctor described, nearly frozen shoulder, physio recommended some very good exercises. Just start little and a short time, several times a day. It will get better.
I also had some treatment at my chiropractor, as I thought it was sth else, which helped.

165236 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Emma, 14, #143 of 1099 🔗

I have cancer and have been bullied in the past to have tests I did NOT want (I worked in oncology and know most cancer treatment to be corrupt) and blood test that I was told are ‘vital’. This year? Not so vital after all. ALL cancelled. My hip surgery cancelled. I cannot even pay for it as the NHS commandeered private facilities even though they aren’t using them. I did manage to get my steroid injection privately by paying over £600. I also got dental treatment. Over £300 for a private filling, We are being culled. Simple as that. They started with the elderly and now want the sick and vulnerable dead. I’d rather be given a lethal injection (we cannot elect for euthanasia) than being slowly tortured by lack of medical care. The elderly in homes are denied contact from their loved ones. It’s criminal and amounts to imprisonment.

164710 Ovis, 11, #144 of 1099 🔗

He shouldn’t have started wearing a stupid mask.

On an entirely serious note, the benefits of normality have been neglected, and that is the cause of the great majority of the preventable deaths throughout this whole saga.

164714 Will, replying to Will, 6, #145 of 1099 🔗

Extremely heartened by the Neil/ Nelson interventions. I really do think all the ducks are in a row now for Johnson to chuck Whitty, Vallance, Handy Cock and the rest of these incompetent bastards under the bus. He can claim his illness compromised his judgement (not true but no one checks the date) he now realises that he was fatally mislead and come up, sort of, smelling of roses. He can also, conveniently, wrap up the one criminal act, clearing the vulnerable into care homes, with this lot and say it was all their idea and “nothing to do with me, Guv”. The only problem is he might have to chuck Cummings under the bus as well and I am not sure he is brave enough to relieve himself of his toddler blankie quite yet, especially with a Brexit can kick/ sell out of the fishermen on the horizon.

164718 ▶▶ PaulH, replying to Will, 22, #146 of 1099 🔗

Sorry. More chance of him taking a day trip to Mars than doing any of that.

164731 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to PaulH, 27, #147 of 1099 🔗

Agree. Johnson is laughable. Says he may change the rule of 6 to allow grandparents to visit on Christmas Day. Sorry Boris you chump Christmas and any other holiday are not within your gift. No one I know or others I have spoken to are taking notice and will carry on as normal. Your nonsense is unenforceable.

164818 ▶▶▶▶ Strange Days, replying to alw, 10, #148 of 1099 🔗

Not only is it patronising it is also illogical unless you believe that covid will call a Christmas truce. Football in no man’s land, showing family photographs, swapping chocolate for cake etc

165165 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to PaulH, 2, #149 of 1099 🔗

I am not saying he will do it, I am just saying that all his ducks are in a row to do it.

164790 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Will, #150 of 1099 🔗

Nice thought for such a dreary Saturday morning.

164940 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Will, 2, #151 of 1099 🔗

I wish I could share your optimism.

164736 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 17, #152 of 1099 🔗

Just about every newspaper website and the likes of Sky and the BBC all carry articles along the lines of “Wear that mask” as if every single of Covid has occured because of non mask wearing. How can we sceptics refute this? I always go for “If you think that masks work, if I’m spreading it, how come it gets through your muzzle?” or “No masks in Sweden” . Is there a better killer argument?

164745 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to arfurmo, 25, #153 of 1099 🔗

People have completely forgotten that a few months ago – including through the peak of the epidemic – the Government’s advice, and WHO, was that masks were unnecessary outside clinical environments. Then they about-turned and claim they are so critically important that they attract huge fines for non-compliance.

Either they were lying to us before, or they are lying to us now. Can’t be both true. (Seems to me they are lying now, and the earlier advice was correct.)

164761 ▶▶▶ l835, replying to zacaway, 5, #154 of 1099 🔗

To be fair, I’d say a properly fitting ffp3 respirator would stop you inhaling a virus, but as most have a ‘flap valve’ which lets the user bypass the filters when exhaling, they won’t stop an infected person transmitting the virus. The barely ffp1 masks and designer face coverings are purely psychological.

164764 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to l835, 29, #155 of 1099 🔗

Face masks are psychological warfare on humanity.

164801 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Two-Six, 5, #156 of 1099 🔗

To which zombinity immediately succumbs.

164869 ▶▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to l835, 10, #157 of 1099 🔗

A colleague of mine has fully bought into all the bullshit, but wears one of those masks with an exhaust valve in it. Can’t persuade him of the ridiculousness of it.

164796 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to zacaway, 11, #158 of 1099 🔗

Three weeks ago, Quackaduck in Wales was saying that muzzling people was infringing their civic rights, and his chief medical officer was saying masks were useless.
And now…

165265 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to zacaway, 3, #159 of 1099 🔗

The WHO told a BBC reporter that they had ‘responded to political pressure’ when they changed decades of anti-mask advice on about the same day the UK mandated masks on public transport back in June.

Which country is now the second-biggest funder of the WHO? Who is the biggest funder? You don’t have to be a ‘Doyle’ as the Mayor of Middlesborough calls people like us (I’m sure he intends no racism, of course!) to figure this one out. MW

164748 ▶▶ l835, replying to arfurmo, 28, #160 of 1099 🔗

If you wear glasses and a mask, they steam up. This is because water vapour in your breath is escaping around the mask. Therefore masks don’t work as the virus is transmitted in exhaled water vapour

164803 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to l835, 6, #161 of 1099 🔗

QED.

164820 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to l835, 7, #162 of 1099 🔗

Good point, I’ve spoken with plenty whose only complaint is their glasses steaming up.
That gives a pointer to how useless masks are altogether.

164879 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to karenovirus, 3, #163 of 1099 🔗

And dry out contact lenses I would assume. If true another valid exemption

164751 ▶▶ stewart, replying to arfurmo, 23, #164 of 1099 🔗

Spain – masks everywhere indoors and outdoors since July. Massive amount of “cases”. If masks work why does the country in which masks are most prevalent have the highest number of “cases” in Europe and possibly the world per capita?

164760 ▶▶▶ PaulH, replying to stewart, 9, #165 of 1099 🔗

They will say this is because they weren’t wearing their masks hard enough.

164877 ▶▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to PaulH, 4, #166 of 1099 🔗

Either that or they’ll claim if they weren’t wearing masks there would have been many more cases / deaths, because Prof Pantsdown said so – it’s The Science.

164786 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to stewart, 12, #167 of 1099 🔗

Same on other continents:
Peru vs Brazil.
Michigan vs S Dakota
Spain / UK vs Sweden

Same evidence everywhere, lockdown nutters and muzzle wearing increase probability and severity of infection.

164835 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to arfurmo, 13, #168 of 1099 🔗

The P.M. who thousands demonstrated against in December, left old people to die in homes without family contact, & stood by while DNRs were placed on the elderly (and /or disabled) – he tells you to wear a mask because he’s concerned about nothing but the health of your loved ones…

164856 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 15, #169 of 1099 🔗

He also let lots of young children die alone in hospitals as family members we’re not allowed to visit them, and the same for others who have died in hospitals of all age groups.

He has also, inflicted considerable suffering, people who required palliative care have had to remain at home and not received the medical treatment they required to ease the pain.

He has also increased mental health issues, and increased suicides and overdoses.

The guy is a grade A c*nt!

164886 ▶▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to JohnB, 5, #170 of 1099 🔗

and he has only just got started.

165001 ▶▶▶▶ Richard, replying to JohnB, 6, #171 of 1099 🔗

Could not agree more – this should be on the front page of every newspaper every day – obviously won’t as bought and paid for – but the suppression of these stories is hiding a degree of awfulness that’s impossible to comprehend

165362 ▶▶▶▶ Mutineer, replying to JohnB, 7, #172 of 1099 🔗

Letting people die alone is barbaric. It’s inhumane and a despicable thing to do. I cannot believe that anyone defends it but I’m in various online groups and people are sucking it up. If you say that it’s a scam you are told ‘I hope you die if you get it’, ‘You should be denied treatment’ or. even worse ‘Of course they aren’t treating cancer as it isn’t safe for them’. I even had one woman tell me that ‘Your name is on a list and they’ll come for you’. I am speechless.

165357 ▶▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 5, #173 of 1099 🔗

It’s deliberate culling of the old. Now we are seeing culling of the sick and vulnerable to medical neglect and cancelled surgeries.

164740 Ian Ca, replying to Ian Ca, 19, #174 of 1099 🔗

My son has just received a text from my 5 year old grandsons school in Merthyr Tydfil confirming the test was negative BUT “negative tests do not conclusively rule out COVID-19 infection” followed by “to find out the actions you need to take next to keep Wales safe visit phw.nhs.wales/”
A Text (not even a letter) rec’d from the school after he had literally, a bit of a sniffle. He had to be sent home, exiled, along with his 4-year-old little brother! They all have to self-isolate for at least a week or face a potential mammoth fine!!! My 5 year old grandson is already anxious about ‘The virus’. This is evil!
I have a screenshot of the text and would like to send it to Lockdown Sceptics (people really should see this) but can’t seem to find an email address to send it to. Its probably under my nose I just can’t see for anger. Can anyone help by telling where I can send the image please?

164755 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Ian Ca, 10, #176 of 1099 🔗

brilliant .. if this dodgy test shows you as positive , you have covid. If it shows you as negative you still have covid.

164876 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Ian Ca, 7, #177 of 1099 🔗

Didn’t someone post yesterday that a child in their family has started making Xmas cards at school thinking that schools will be shut in November and December??

And still the plebs think all this is temporary.

I was watching a programme about the 90’s last night and it showed the poll tax riots and the demonstrations against Criminal Justice and Public Order Act. My how things have changed.

165278 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to stefarm, 9, #178 of 1099 🔗

Absolutely correct. However, I think it’s accepted that it was the mass refusal to pay the poll tax that overturned it and not the riots. It seems incredible now but I was there and we both remember it well. I was a teacher at the time (sorry!) and our Head announced that no action would be taken against any staff member who was prosecuted/in court for non-payment. This was common and there was an incredible amount of solidarity and support – can you imagine anything like that now? We now live in a vertical society and almost all trust between us has been finished off by managerial culture and now the CV19 psy-op – a process that has been building since the 1990s, if not earlier.

I do not believe protests achieve anything much but mass civil resistance is another matter. If only we can somehow get people to see what’s going on it might still be possible but I cannot hold out much hope. Most people are too busy enjoying their slavery. MW

165287 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Ian Ca, 2, #179 of 1099 🔗

So if you get a test you’ve got ‘it’ whatever the result. Brilliant! The best ever argument for avoiding the test I’ve seen so far, if only the brainwashed could see it. MW

165447 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 6, #180 of 1099 🔗

I’ve recently kept being reminded of the old ducking stool ruse – if you drown you’re innocent, if you survive you’re guikty.

164741 WhyNow, replying to WhyNow, 11, #181 of 1099 🔗

The report about the vaccine development is interesting. The purpose of the lockdown is not to protect the general population. It is to prevent doctors, nurses and care home workers from getting infected and killing their terminally ill patients. Given that almost no-one dies except the terminally ill, it’s going to be interesting to see how they prove that.

164754 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to WhyNow, 8, #182 of 1099 🔗

I thought it was to ‘flatten the curve’ and was not going to save anyone. Bullshit is easily formed into whatever suits I guess.

164828 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Saved To Death, 2, #183 of 1099 🔗

How are the Camel Humps coming along or don’t we talk about them now ?

165282 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to WhyNow, 2, #184 of 1099 🔗

Do you honestly believe that? MW

164743 ianric, replying to ianric, 7, #185 of 1099 🔗

My apologies if this sounds a stupid and obvious question. The justification for the draconian measures imposed by governments is that coronavirus is a dangerous disease with a high mortality rate or creates severe symptoms in people who survive which will overwhelm health services and create long term health problems called long Covid. If this was the case would coronavirus burn out quickly as people with severe symptoms are more likely to isolate preventing spread to other people and dead people are obviously unable to spread the disease. SARS with a 10% fatality rate burned out quickly in 2003. If a disease is widespread does this indicate a disease has mild symptoms as people with mild symptoms are less likely to isolate. Am I correct or this analysis too simplistic.

164871 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to ianric, 4, #186 of 1099 🔗

I think that’s basically true, but the great thing about covid for the zealots is that not only is it supposedly extremely mild for the 80% or so who “have it” with no symptoms, it can also be very severe for a small percentage of the vulnerable population. So they can panic about it both being a very rapid spread (precisely because it’s mild or unnoticeable for most) but also deadly in particular age groups or with medical issues.

165015 ▶▶▶ Thinkaboutit, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #187 of 1099 🔗

Which is probably true for your average flu or pneumonia but nobody cares.

165084 ▶▶▶ ianric, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #188 of 1099 🔗

If people have only mild or no symptoms would the viral load be lower than someone with severe symptoms and would be less infectious. If someone was to die with coronavirus or survive but develop severe symptoms at what point would they become infectious. Would it only happen when they have severe symptoms or would this happen before the onset of severe symptoms when they would not feel the need to isolate and have a greater chance of spreading it.

I agree the idea people with no or only mild or no symptoms can spread the disease has been ruthlessly exploited by the covid Nazis. When people don’t follow the covid cult eg gathering in large groups and not anti social distancing, they are condemned as covid idiots, selfish disease spreaders and granny killers which doesn’t apply to the flu. You never hear the term flu idiots.

164744 Fed up, replying to Fed up, 13, #189 of 1099 🔗

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/testing-and-tracing/nhs-test-and-trace-if-youve-been-in-contact-with-a-person-who-has-coronavirus/

can I just ask what everyone’s understanding of the need to self-isolate. It seems to me that all of us who venture out of our keeps at all, go to hospitality venues, live with others that may go to school, take public transport etc run the theoretical risk that we could spend the next however long going into and out of isolation? And even if we have had CV19 and are tested positive for anti-bodies that will not exempt us from the need to cut ourselves off from human contact.

have I got this right? If I have, how long before everyone works out that downloading the app is like volunteering for solitary confinement?

164749 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to Fed up, 14, #190 of 1099 🔗

downloading the app is like volunteering for solitary confinement?

Exactly. Plus you’re inviting the Government to have a rummage around your life on your phone – as far as they’re able to.

164759 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to zacaway, 6, #191 of 1099 🔗

Not just now but as a rule, for ever.

164781 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Fed up, 10, #192 of 1099 🔗

That’s right, there was a Taxi driver on Talk Radio who rang in, he was saying that the App means he could potentially have to keep isolating for 14 day period after 14 day period, thus he could be in a situation where he could work at all.

Also, like you said, even if you test positive for anti-bodies you’ve still got to self isolate, otherwise you face a fine.

164787 ▶▶▶ Fed up, replying to JohnB, 6, #193 of 1099 🔗

Then this so-called solution is completely and utterly flawed.

164792 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Fed up, 4, #194 of 1099 🔗

As if we didn’t know!

164793 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fed up, replying to annie, 4, #195 of 1099 🔗

We’ve worked it out. Now we need everyone else to.

164809 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sue, replying to Fed up, 5, #196 of 1099 🔗

they will soon enough – the penny will finally drop when stories of repeated enforced self isolation come out and impact jobs and income. I think will put people off going anywhere that requires to be scanned and hit the hospitality sector especially as it doesn’t know when you have left the place as defaults to midnight.

164867 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to JohnB, 9, #197 of 1099 🔗

Hence why the police aren’t allowed to download it, the police force would be on it’s knees within 24 hours (mind you they do like to take a knee)

165006 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to JohnB, 6, #198 of 1099 🔗

You will not be offered an antibody test nor a PCR repeat test.
Just a simple PCR ‘positive’ and you are sinbinned for a fortnight.

This taxi driver is completely right of course, but that was evident right back in the time of the rather cloak and dagger IOW ‘trial’.

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/contact-tracing-app-isle-of-wight-trial

It’s just that most folk are amazingly slow in cottoning on.

One suspects that ‘key workers’ will be targeted for more and more frequent tests, thus taking them out of circulation on a large scale…
All except the police, of course.

There is method in their madness (or madness in their method)

164805 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Fed up, 1, #199 of 1099 🔗

at some point soon they will need to say how many people have had to self isolate as a result of downloading the app.

164838 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Fed up, 3, #200 of 1099 🔗

All well and good telling us to order food and medicines online for 14 days but it’s not much use if you’ve got no money

164753 Nessimmersion, replying to Nessimmersion, 52, #201 of 1099 🔗

Seems appropriate

164840 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Nessimmersion, 8, #202 of 1099 🔗

Mr Churchill would have said that. 🤪

164934 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Nessimmersion, 11, #203 of 1099 🔗

Much better advice medically.

164758 PaulParanoia, replying to PaulParanoia, 2, #204 of 1099 🔗

I’m not sure if this new track from Moby’s latest album is supposed to be anti lock down or not, but the words and video certainly fit the bill.

https://youtu.be/zPGXnhvEp9k

164844 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to PaulParanoia, 1, #205 of 1099 🔗

8 months old so probably not but very apt nevertheless

164763 Basics, replying to Basics, 4, #206 of 1099 🔗

We are now at a point in time two weeks from the declaration that the UK was seeing those first trends of Wave 2 The Revenge. This fearing began before the WittyVallance graph to-the-moon was presented to the nation.

Is this next week make or break for belief in the Autumn fearing government predictions? Might the Casedemic get into the mainstream in the next week?

164769 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Basics, 13, #207 of 1099 🔗

I was looking at my MP’s twitter feed last night. She is getting some HEAVY flack from many quarters. The woman is living in La La land. It’s plain to see by the crap she tweets out but in most of the tweets she is getting flamed.

Nice to see.

164776 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Basics, 8, #208 of 1099 🔗

Surely everyone including everyone in government knew there was never any chance this could happen. They told us outright it was not a prediction. It was almost presented in a way that would allow anyone who gave it a little thought to know is was nonsense.

Still it has ‘worked’. It was never meant to predict anything but was just the starting shot of the next fear and panic wave. Fear and panic has noticeably increased since. The graph was ‘right’ in that it worked perfectly.

164788 ▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Saved To Death, 1, #209 of 1099 🔗

Troo dat.

164802 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Saved To Death, 3, #210 of 1099 🔗

which is why Boris was not present at that briefing- as you say it “worked”- the coronavirus act was passed. A means to an end.

164853 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Saved To Death, 1, #211 of 1099 🔗

I’ve shown the ‘take me to the moon’ Witless Unbalanced red bars not a prediction chart with the declining actuality bars in blue to several people.

Not one person expressed surprise.

164859 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, #212 of 1099 🔗

This one

164795 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Basics, 7, #213 of 1099 🔗

Note the impact of power, and the trappings of established power, on debate. We score what should, logically, be knock out blow after knock out blow, often without even trying. The absurd graph to the moon and its failure to match the developing situation is just one example. Whitty and Valance should be toast many times over, along with the entire administration. But what actually happens? Nothing. No impact. It doesn’t matter. They are still in power, and therefore they are still right and respected by the media (which shares in their errors and therefore will not criticise).

But how does it stand with us? Trump gets ill, and we’re stuffed. Game over.

The argument from power is the strongest of all arguments, politically.

165020 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Ovis, 1, #214 of 1099 🔗

Agree with your take.
I strongly suspect Trump was got at with the ‘high power’ original unattenuated version of the virus. And if he has taken Remdesivir, then he has complicit medical advisors. Renal and hepatic damage will surely follow.
If this was Fauci, no way would he take Remdesivir.

164849 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Basics, 2, #215 of 1099 🔗

How are they getting on with bumping up hospitalizations? Last weekend our local tally jumped from 0-1 up to 6. Haven’t heard since.

164773 JohnB, replying to JohnB, 33, #216 of 1099 🔗

When you speak to any lockdown zealot about the restrictive laws now in place they all seem to believe that these are temporary and that in a few months they will all be gone.

Well lets compare this to the ban on liquids on planes. This law was initially brought in on the 10th August 2006 as a temporary measure because at the time we were told that the security services said they had detected a “Liquid Bomb Plot” . Now 14 years later this temporary restriction is still in place, and much like masks and social distancing we’re told it has to be like this for our own safety.

So, when anyone says these lockdown laws will be removed and you’re just being impatient and need to wait until it’s all over, just remind them about that.

164785 ▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to JohnB, 6, #217 of 1099 🔗

ALL the ‘temporary’ local lockdowns are still in place apart from Luton, which will go back during the next Muslim festival. The moles are taking a lot of time to be whacked.

164798 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to JohnB, 7, #218 of 1099 🔗

My MP finally got back to me after 6 days when I politely asked him to vote against the CV extension bill.
I recieved the usual reply ” It’s a temporary measure, blah,blah blah”
Why do we bother?

164814 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Fingerache Philip., 7, #219 of 1099 🔗

It is the only way you can hold them responsible. I wrote a letter to my MP and he voted for the extension (not received a response but thats ok). In future I will use this information against him especially at the next election.

165051 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Victoria, 1, #220 of 1099 🔗

Even with a 23,000 plus majority?

164807 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to JohnB, 5, #221 of 1099 🔗

“If it saves one life” means that any measures put in place to achieve that statement will remain in place forever.

164949 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to JohnB, 4, #222 of 1099 🔗

Given that the EU has had plans for a vaccine passport since at least 2018, I would suspect that this part of it is not going to go away any time soon..
https://ec.europa.eu/health/sites/health/files/vaccination/docs/2019-2022_roadmap_en.pdf

165129 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Carrie, 3, #223 of 1099 🔗

State power run amok.

Who in society is calling for this? No one, except pharmaceuticals, which are private business looking to increase profits, and those invested in them.

164775 maggie may, replying to maggie may, 1, #224 of 1099 🔗

Very interesting piece on the so-called silver bullet vaccine. Does anyone know how the flu vaccine is meant to work? Although eligible, i never have one. Is it supposed to stop you getting it or just to make it less serious if you do?

164780 ▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to maggie may, 3, #225 of 1099 🔗

My GP (virtual these days) surgery sent me a txt yesterday saying I could arrange a date for mine. Last year was the first time I’ve refused one, and it’s been the healthiest flu season I’ve had for a long time. My reply was ‘thanks, but no thanks’.

164782 ▶▶ IanE, replying to maggie may, 10, #226 of 1099 🔗

It is supposed to stop some people from getting it – typically between 30% to 50% of those vaccinated. Of course, a significant fraction of the 30-50% of those vaccinated might never get it anyway.

I normally have it, but this year I won’t because I don’t trust our government or the NHS not to include an experimental anti-covid vaccine. Paranoid? Maybe, maybe not!

164794 ▶▶▶ maggie may, replying to IanE, 2, #227 of 1099 🔗

Thanks, so it’s at least meant to be better than what it seems we’ll be offered for Covid! I don’t trust anyone either so although my surgery is offering the flu vaccine, i won’t be taking them up on that.

165059 ▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to maggie may, 4, #228 of 1099 🔗

From my post above:-

In 115 participants, those who received trivalent influenza vaccines had higher risk of acute respiratory infection associated with confirmed non-influenza respiratory virus infection (RR, 4.40; 95% CI, 1.31–14.8) compared to placebo recipients.

In other words, 4.4 times more likely to develop a different acute respiratory infection, if you had the flu jab.
And the confidence interval is 1.31-14.8.
Which means that with a 95% certainty, your increased risk of a different acute respiratory infection will be somewhere between 1.3 times and 14.8 times compared to not having the flu jab!

You won’t be surprised to know that I pass on a flu jab.

165031 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to IanE, 2, #229 of 1099 🔗

I’m afraid the 30-50% protected is simply hype.

“Overall the largest dataset to have accumulated to date is from trials conducted in the population least likely to benefit from vaccines but most likely to produce immunity: healthy adults. In healthy adult trials a high serological response is matched by a very small clinical effect (71 healthy adults need to be vaccinated to prevent one of them experiencing influenza) . This weak effect cannot be explained simply by the mismatch of vaccine antigens with wild virus ones. A larger effect is observed in children over the age of two (five children need to be vaccinated to prevent one case of influenza, although there is huge uncertainty around these estimates). There is little evidence on prevention of complications, transmission, or time off work. Other reviews have drawn similar conclusions.”

And:-

“The underlying assumption that influenza vaccination does not affect the risk of non-influenza is contradicted by a recent report from the follow up of a trial by Cowling et al. 8 In 115 participants, those who received trivalent influenza vaccines had higher risk of acute respiratory infection associated with confirmed non-influenza respiratory virus infection (RR, 4.40; 95% CI, 1.31–14.8) compared to placebo recipients. The agents were mainly rhinoviruses and coxsackie/echoviruses; ILI episodes occurred shortly after a peak of influenza activity.
Current yearly registration of candidate influenza vaccines is based on their ability to trigger a good antibody response. But antibody responses are poor predictors of field protection. This is another example of the use of surrogate outcomes in biomedicine, where effects on clinically important outcomes remain unmeasured or unproven from randomised trials: complications and death by influenza.
The simple answer is that we do not understand what the target is. What is the threat of influenza, and what can we ever expect of the vaccines?”

This is from an extensive review undertaken by CEBM (Heneghan’s body) of the Cochrane reviews (which are themselves an evidence review).

https://community.cochrane.org/news/why-have-three-long-running-cochrane-reviews-influenza-vaccines-been-stabilised

165635 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to IanE, 1, #230 of 1099 🔗

Definitely paranoid, but it’s your choice.

I am not in the correct age category to be automatically offered it and I have no intention of getting it this time.

I’ve had the flu once about 25 years ago and the jab once after my GP offered it to me about 15 years ago.

The principle of “herd immunity” probably applies here as well, so with such a high uptake of the flu jab this year you may not need it anyway.

164806 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to maggie may, 2, #231 of 1099 🔗

The question is how do they know the flu vaccine is working. Seems to me that all they do is compare flu deaths from year to year and based on the numbers claim how effective the vaccine is relative to other years.

Anybody able to elaborate on this?

165044 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Nobody2020, 2, #232 of 1099 🔗

They don’t know it is working. Or if they know it isn’t working, they aren’t telling us!

All the efficacy trials use a surrogate outcome , namely production of antibodies.
Production of antibodies does not tell you anything about your risk of developing flu that may hospitalise or kill.

All the SARS-CoV-2 vaccine candidates similarly use surrogate outcomes as their primary endpoints.

As the important William Haseltine piece at the top of the page informs us:-

It appears that all the pharmaceutical companies assume that the vaccine will never prevent infection. Their criteria for approval is the difference in symptoms between an infected control group and an infected vaccine group. They do not measure the difference between infection and non-infection as a primary motivation.

A greater concern for the millions of older people and those with pre-existing conditions is whether these trials test the vaccine’s ability to prevent severe illness and death. Again we find that severe illness and death are only secondary objectives in these trials. None list the prevention of death and hospitalisation as a critically important barrier.

164832 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to maggie may, 3, #233 of 1099 🔗

The flu vaccine may stop you from catching it or it may stop you developing serious symptoms requiring hospitalisation. The problem with the flu is that it changes year on year. The vaccine formulation for a given year is based on predictions from the WHO as to which virus(es) are likely to be active. The vaccine this year covers four different strains. However, a few years back the predictions were wrong and hence the wrong vaccine produced.

164883 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to p02099003, 1, #234 of 1099 🔗

and we know how accurate WHO are dont we!!!

165632 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to mjr, 1, #235 of 1099 🔗

Well, they helped eliminate the smallpox virus in the 1970s.

I don’t like the current organisation, but credit where credit is due.

164915 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to maggie may, 1, #236 of 1099 🔗

Will be interesting if fewer than usual people take the ordinary winter flu jab. That would point to a decline in trust of vaccines in general.

165614 ▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to karenovirus, 1, #237 of 1099 🔗

More are getting it. Giant queue at the doctors last week. Boots have sold out. Sanofi and GSK both saying anticipate high demand,

165630 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to karenovirus, 2, #238 of 1099 🔗

I don’t share your mistrust of vaccines in general, though I am not open to any rushed covid vaccines.

Happily, though (I would think) the principle of herd immunity applies (the vaccine conferring immunity) so not everyone would need to have it in order for it to be effective.

People get confused as the flu jab has such a high profile, but flu is a rapidly mutating virus, which means that vaccine producers keep having to make new ones.

165627 ▶▶ John P, replying to maggie may, 1, #239 of 1099 🔗

from wikipedia (probably reliable in this case) :

The vaccine comes in inactive and weakened viral forms. The live, weakened vaccine is generally not recommended in pregnant women, children less than two years old, adults older than 50, or people with a weakened immune system.

I had the jab about 15 years ago, when I visited my GP over an unrelated matter and he offered it to me. I felt a bit fluey for a day or two, but nothing else.

Flu is a problem because the virus rapidly mutates and vaccines soon become ineffective.

Although coronaviruses cause similar illnesses, they are not the same sort of virus, so this may not apply.

164777 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 12, #240 of 1099 🔗

Joh Bishop’s video is fantastic. Watch it

164917 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Victoria, 2, #241 of 1099 🔗

Hopefully scousers will tell them where to stick their bollox..

164919 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Victoria, 4, #242 of 1099 🔗

I followed his advice about self testing, bloody marvellous

164779 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 8, #243 of 1099 🔗

Does everybody here believe that Trump has got Covid? And that his symptoms (if they exist) are Covid? I’m, er, sceptical.

164791 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Barney McGrew, 10, #244 of 1099 🔗

He tests positive for the virus, but has no symptoms. Within hours he is shipped off to a military hospital as a precaution, even though the White House has plenty of medical staff. In hospital he is given an anti-viral and antibody treatment. When did it become standard medical practice to hospitalise and treat people who are not ill?

164923 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #245 of 1099 🔗

They did it here when the deaths started to decline to give the press something to write about. Hospital mortality went down from 6% to 0.05% so that got sussed.

165064 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #246 of 1099 🔗

One suspects he has been got at with the full-virulence version of the pathogen.
The fact that he has been given Remdesivir strengthens my view.
Big mistake to take that…

164797 ▶▶ l835, replying to Barney McGrew, 5, #247 of 1099 🔗

We’ll see a few shots of poorly Donald running the US by zoom from his hospital bed over the next few days, then he’ll emerge from hospital in a week or so having beaten Covid! What a guy! Just in time for a second term…

164924 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to l835, 1, #248 of 1099 🔗

Looking like shite like everyone does on Zoom.

164812 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Barney McGrew, 4, #249 of 1099 🔗

If the bookies were taking bets on his treatment, I’d put a tenner each way on HCQ/Zinc

165012 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #250 of 1099 🔗

I’ll take that bet.

164825 ▶▶ Schrodinger, replying to Barney McGrew, 4, #251 of 1099 🔗

Wasn’t there some more ;tricky’ news/reports coming out about him in the run up to the election? Take cover for a few weeks, avoid the difficult stuff then come out having ‘defeated the virus’ to lead America just before voting? Or some similar strategy?

164875 ▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Barney McGrew, 6, #252 of 1099 🔗

Reminded of the phrase – ‘nothing happens in politics by accident’.

164804 Ian Ca, replying to Ian Ca, 12, #253 of 1099 🔗

Lets hope the Donald doesn’t suffer the same after effects as the Boris!

164930 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to 2 pence, #255 of 1099 🔗

Screenshot that, thanks

164841 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Ian Ca, 12, #256 of 1099 🔗

I would like to think he’s been taken somewhere they can protect him better as I’m convinced that an assassination attempt before the election would take place especially fear he got into the MSM the election being stolen and so on.

Hopefully they keep him alive and he wins the election.

I think if the he loses and us in the UK fail to stop this nonsense then the war is lost.

We both get through this there is a good chance things will improve rapidly.

164921 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #257 of 1099 🔗

I am sorry, but I think Trump is an absolute abomination, lockdown sceptic or not. My concern is him challenging the election result if he loses and refusing to go which, I am afraid could happen, and I am not sure what the American constitution can do about it.

164989 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Will, 6, #258 of 1099 🔗

Personally I don’t like him and a lot of his politics (but one thing I give him is he was one of the few politicians who said before being elected “if I get elected I will do x, y and z” and he did them) but when you consider the alternatives to him winning then that is something that the world does not really want to happen.

The Democrats have said the same – they will challenge the election results so what’s the difference?

Seen the photos of republican votes dumped in a trash skip and the reports of USB sticks for voting machine going missing recently, the videos of people trying o vote in the last election and no matter here they touch date screen it registered a democrat vote, the programmer of voting machines who worked for the Clinton campaign who became a whistleblower an promptly disappeared from the news and so on?

Something stinks in the States just a sit does here.

165075 ▶▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #259 of 1099 🔗

If you want a deep dive and find out what stinks, you may wish to listen to Whitney Webb, probably the outstanding investigator into the Deep State:-

https://www.activistpost.com/2020/09/whitney-webb-interview-2020-election-chaos-being-used-to-set-stage-for-the-final-technocratic-push.html

165070 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #260 of 1099 🔗

There have reportedly been several failed attempts.
This, in fact, is probably another.

Sadly, I agree fully with your conclusions

164866 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Ian Ca, 5, #261 of 1099 🔗

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Cannot verify but doing the rounds

164925 ▶▶ Christopher, replying to Ian Ca, 2, #263 of 1099 🔗

He will probably have his MK Ultra programming re booted so he falls back in line , just like Mr Bumble. 😉

164819 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 12, #264 of 1099 🔗

Looking after our grandson at the moment. Ex d-i-l had a Covid test on Monday, it was negative. She is now in hospital with pneumonia. Anything to do with wearing a mask?

164836 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Margaret, 13, #265 of 1099 🔗

Most likely.

It occurs naturally in the mouth and you breathing it in is the most common way of “catching” it.

This was highlighted in July as one of the dangers to watch for along with pleurisy and a persistent cough.

164822 Schrodinger, replying to Schrodinger, 6, #266 of 1099 🔗

Just a ‘heads up’ someone has written an app that makes it look like you have checked in – but ‘does nothing’ or for those who have phones that won’t run it (or if people don’t want to run it) there is an html version as well. I haven’t tried the app version but seems a handy idea if you can’t be bothered ‘arguing the toss’ of paper systems.

https://covid1984.life/

164834 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Schrodinger, 3, #267 of 1099 🔗

Looks good. Have saved it to my iPhone.

164851 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 1, #268 of 1099 🔗

Only works on Android I believe. May be a version for jailbroken Apple though?

164880 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Sarigan, 1, #269 of 1099 🔗

couple of days ago when it was launched i think they said it was later android only but early android and iphone would follow

164878 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Schrodinger, #270 of 1099 🔗

I just tried to open the web app on safari on my i5, I got 404 not found.

164823 Sceptic#1, replying to Sceptic#1, 17, #271 of 1099 🔗

Just remember that ‘covid hospital admissions’ are also not a great marker of deadliness of covid – patients are admitted for all sorts of reasons and some of these patients may also have covid as it is present in the community. But just because they have been admitted to hospital and tested positive for covid, it most certainly does not mean that they have been admitted to hospital BECAUSE OF covid, a crucial point that many are missing.
Please can we also stop referring to positive covid tests as covid cases, these two things are different. If a person has a positive test but no real symptoms then it is just a positive test and is not a ‘case’. I wish the BBC and other media outlets understood these points.

164826 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Sceptic#1, 5, #272 of 1099 🔗

some of these patients may also have covid as it is present in the community

…or it’s a false positive

164854 ▶▶ Mark H, replying to Sceptic#1, 10, #273 of 1099 🔗

Isn’t it the case that literally anyone admitted to hospital for any reason is subjected to a PCR test? Therefore, an asymptomatic road traffic accident victim will be listed as a CV19 admission. Likewise for a stroke victim. Etc.

Once again, the data being used to drive the narrative is essentially meaningless. And I’d point to the psyop building of field hospitals: if there was a real influx of virus carriers requiring hospitalising, is it such a leap of strategic planning to separate genuine CV19-only admissions into these hospitals, keeping the rest of the NHS open and functioning in a “CV19 secure” way for everyone else? At least that way the “hospital admission” data would be factually accurate and not confused with people being admitted for other reasons.

164874 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Mark H, 13, #274 of 1099 🔗

I have been in correspondence with my local council about the data and narrative they put in their weekly email. This is their response to the last email i sent (see previous days comments)

“The 66 people are those people reported by Public Health England as having received a positive Covid diagnosis from a test carried out in the week being reported. As detailed in the previous response, these are national statistics published by PHE that match those reported by the Government, and more detail can be found about what is included at the PHE website https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/about-data#england

We are not currently publishing testing data or the circumstances in which someone in hospital tests positive. The Director of Public Health uses a number of pieces of detailed data, including information from the NHS such as testing and hospital admissions, to understand in detail the local situation and inform local decisions. However I hope you can appreciate that we are not able to make all of these pieces of data publically available at this time.”

to which my final response (i am banging my head against a wall here!) was

“Thanks for your prompt reply. I appreciate that you are limited by the source data and what that includes. It is so disappointing that the summaries that you put in the newsletter, are, as i previously said, only half the story, and unfortunately put an adverse spin on the data.

However i guess this is part of the government’s intention to make it all seem worse than it is. For example 6 hospitalisations sounds bad. However if these 6 are just people that tested positive but are asymptomatic or have mild symptoms, and so are not  actually sick with covid ,then there is no problem.

If i get run over by a bus tomorrow, and go to hospital i will be tested. If the test is positive even though i have no symptoms, i will count as a covid hospitalisation and if i die because of injuries i will count as a covid death. Which is ridiculous and a lie.

Similarly, 66 tests that were positive out of 100 is bad. 66 out of a 1000 not so bad. Again the data doesnt allow us to know as we dont know how many tests were done. “

164935 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Mark H, 3, #275 of 1099 🔗

People going into hospital by prior appointment have to be tested beforehand.

164942 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to karenovirus, 2, #276 of 1099 🔗

I’m not sure how it works over here for prospective inpatients; I’ll try to find out.

I know if you have an outpatient appointment they ask you if you have had any Covid symptoms, but do not take your temp or anything, whereas I know in the UK that for any outpatient procedure they test you the day before..

165388 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Carrie, 2, #277 of 1099 🔗

They take your temperature for an outpatient appointment in the UK and ask if you have any symptoms.

165000 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to karenovirus, 1, #278 of 1099 🔗

And Hancock still moaning about people who have no symptoms asking for a test and taking up viable resources. Then his own department asking for unnecessary tests!

165010 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Silke David, #279 of 1099 🔗

Outpatients have to go to a special testing station a couple of miles from our main local one, dunno why as the mainn one remains quiet. Probably not booked in the usual inefficient way.

165488 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to karenovirus, 1, #280 of 1099 🔗

NHS testing vs Pillar 2 testing?

164938 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Mark H, 5, #281 of 1099 🔗

In the Covid stats over here, Sweden only seems to count people in hospital with Covid, not sure if these are people who were in hospital for something else first?

I would suspect, given the numbers, that it is ONLY people who have been admitted for Covid only..

Another little drop in the numbers hospitalised here, as of yesterday’s stats, by the way 🙂

164932 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Sceptic#1, 3, #282 of 1099 🔗

The BBC and other media outlets understand this perfectly well, they just don’t want us to.

164824 AngloWelshDragon, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 14, #283 of 1099 🔗

Got to wonder at the thinking of Sainsbury’s managers. I went in today, unmasked (absolutely fine experience). They have decided to reorganise the store so nothing is where you think it would be. As a result everyone is having to double back to find products they missed, staff are being required to rush round helping people, the informal one way system has completely collapsed.

I asked one of the staff who is always extra friendly to me because of my lanyard and she said they’ve had loads of complaints. Apparently an opinion poll was conducted pre covid and this was what people wanted – last year!

So while enforcing masks (dubious efficacy) etc they have just undermined social distancing (proven efficacy) and forced people to spend more time in store – and we all know the real reason supermarkets move products around is to make people spend more!

164839 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 6, #284 of 1099 🔗

social distancing (proven efficacy)

Would you provide a link to the research?

165605 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #285 of 1099 🔗

I can’t. However, the general concept of increasing distance and improving hygiene (especially hand hygiene) along with directing coughs and sneezes away from other people and/or hands is well established as a way of reducing the spread of diseases spread by droplets. The fact that spread of the virus started to decay in the week before lockdown and after the government started pushing the “keep your distance, wash your hands better and more often” message may only have to do with preexisting immunity, or may, more likely, have to do with a combination of preexisting immunity and improved communal awareness of what was anyway common sense.

The idea that you’re better off jumping into the path of a speeding Mercedes than coming within 6 feet of another human being for 5 seconds remains, of course, nonsense.

164973 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 3, #286 of 1099 🔗

Social distancing was “conjured up out of nowhere” as stated by Prof Robert Dingwall.

Even in the WHO document from 2019 which they have never changed, updated or superseded it (everything in the past 6 months has been verbal or in press conference, very very little is actually written down and posted anywhere) says about what they call “avoiding crowding” Quality of Evidence: “very low, unknown”.

Good quote in it on facemarks as well:

OVERALL RESULT OF EVIDENCE ON FACE MASKS
1. Ten RCTs were included in the meta-analysis, and there was no evidence that face
masks are effective in reducing transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza.

And a few others:

OVERALL RESULT OF EVIDENCE ON CONTACT TRACING
1. Evidence for overall effectiveness of contact tracing was limited. All included studies
were simulation models.
2. Only one study reported on the effect of adding contact tracing to isolation and
quarantine. Such addition was estimated to provide at most a modest benefit, but at
the same time would increase considerably the number of quarantined individuals.

RECOMMENDATION:
Active contact tracing is not recommended in general because there is no obvious rationale
for it

OVERALL RESULT OF EVIDENCE ON AVOIDING CROWDING
1. The effect of measures to avoid crowding alone in reducing transmission
is uncertain.
2. Timely and sustained application of measures to avoid crowding may reduce influenza
transmission, although the quality of evidence of its effectiveness
is very low.
Quality of evidence
There is a very low overall quality of evidence on whether avoiding crowding can reduce
transmission of influenza.

164829 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 9, #287 of 1099 🔗

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/09/20/germanys-christmas-markets-go-ahead-limits-mulled-wine-compulsory/
If they are on and there’s no visitor restrictions from the UK it would be a shame to miss

164902 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to crimsonpirate, 2, #288 of 1099 🔗

Yes but you have to muzzle up to get there (good luck with exemptions on plane and on German soil) and at the market itself.

164931 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to crimsonpirate, 5, #289 of 1099 🔗

One might ask people like Julia H-B to ask ministers (in interviews) to justify why all Christmas events in the UK seem to have been cancelled, if Germany’s and other countries’ celebrations are able to go ahead…?

164830 Richard Pinch, replying to Richard Pinch, 5, #290 of 1099 🔗

“These vaccine trials are testing to prevent common cold symptoms.”

That seems to me a misleading way of putting it. As to the purpose of the trials. I suppose that we might agree that the ultimate goal of any intervention (behavioural, drugs or vaccines) is to reduce as far as possible (and balancing benefits with costs) illness and death caused by this virus. A good way of doing this is by reducing infections, and in particular bringing the rate of infection down to the point where it does not spread in the population, and this is what behavioural measures are intended to do. It is therefore reasonable to make a goal of a vaccine that it should prevent the subject from becoming ill if they encounter the disease. It is also reasonable to make it a goal that it should make the subject non-infectious. But these are different, and the first is more important.

So I looked at one of the trial documents . Under primary objective number 1 we find

To estimate the efficacy of 2 IM doses of AZD1222 compared to placebo for the prevention of COVID-19 in adults ≥ 18 years of age

and

The primary efficacy endpoint is a binary response, whereby a participant is defined as a COVID-19 case if their first case of SARS-CoV-2 RT-PCR-positive symptomatic illness occurs ≥ 15 days post second dose of study

So the vaccination is deemed to have failed if the patient develops any symptom of Covid. In other words the criterion for success is that it should prevent any symptoms, even those as minor as those of the common cold. That sounds to me like we want from a vaccine: that it reduces the seriousness of the disease to less than that of the common cold.

164845 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Richard Pinch, 1, #291 of 1099 🔗

HI Richard!

165034 ▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #292 of 1099 🔗

Greetings.

165606 ▶▶ matt, replying to Richard Pinch, #293 of 1099 🔗

Surely this only works if we don’t believe in asymptomatic spread?

165619 ▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to matt, #294 of 1099 🔗

As I said, there are different aims. Reducing the spread is logically secondary to preventing people from becoming ill. Which of those you want test a vaccine for is a choice, and choosing to test if for prevention of disease seems a reasonable aim.

164831 Awkward Git, 13, #295 of 1099 🔗

Petition to repeal the Statutory Instruments Act 1946 gone for approval – thanks for the signatures.

Will post it once/if it is approved.

164833 Jakehadlee, replying to Jakehadlee, 23, #296 of 1099 🔗

Re: woke gobbledygook, I just sent this to the consultation

Please don’t destroy any or our heritage, or assume that history only belongs to one group of people.

I am mixed ethnicity (I reject the racist term “race”) and abhor the idea that I am supposed to abandon my sense of being English, with all the history – good and bad- that involves, because my genetics are meant to define me more than the culture I share with my fellow English people of many different skin tones.

The implication of what you are doing is that, if one is black, then one can’t be English. I hope you realise how damaging and dangerous that is?

If you want me to name something I think should be pulled down due its history, how about St Paul’s Cathedral. The church, through racist crusades and religious persecution, killed millions – far more than the slave trade.

If you can’t give me a logical explanation for why that is not acceptable, then you can’t justify the erosion of other history.

Just as a final note, when the Puritans destroyed the historic images in our churches and erased so much of our heritage, they genuinely believed they were doing a good thing and that people who opposed them were ignorant. History doesn’t agree with them. Don’t be that mistake.

164850 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Jakehadlee, 8, #297 of 1099 🔗

Well said. ISIS were tearing down and destroying ancient monuments only a few years back. You can’t destroy evidence of the past, it’s our way of looking back in the mirror and saying, never again.

164863 ▶▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to PoshPanic, 15, #298 of 1099 🔗

Not only that but you can’t assume only one “wrong” is worth considering. The history of not only the UK but the every country on Earth is built on persecution, death, war, inequality etc.

That’s unfortunately what we do, as a species. Is slavery worse than burning Catholics? Is burning Catholics worse than the Harrowing of the North? And is Harrowing of the North worse than the Difaqane?

People have screwed other people over since the dawn of time – it’s what we do.

But if you start saying that some people have to own some of that history exclusively because they share the same skin colour, you get into very dangerous territory. You end up saying a white person and a black person can’t share a culture and history. That a white man descended for, for example, French grandparents can be English and own English history, but a black person descended from Nigerian grandparents can never be English.

That’s kind of – super racist.

164944 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Jakehadlee, 8, #299 of 1099 🔗

It’s quite depressing, when you see so much history being ignored, in order to further a specific agenda or narrative and yes, it ends up becoming counter productive.

165585 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Jakehadlee, 2, #300 of 1099 🔗

Hear, hear!!! I wish I can vote this comment more than once.

I studied history to postgraduate level and work in the museums & heritage sector. What’s being done to this country’s heritage and history is appalling and criminal especially with the likes of the National Trust and the British Library cravenly kowtowing to the demands of the wokerati much like they kowtow to the insane “Covid safety” regulations.

When will people realise that history is neither black nor white but in varying shades of grey?

164837 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 16, #301 of 1099 🔗

As my town has the highest case rate around, I thought I’d email my local representative just so I have some ammo once he tries to claim he was ‘only following the science’.

I advise anyone here to put their neck on the line and do the same. If you really are seeing this bs for what it is, you have an opportunity to ensure these people are called to account when the time comes. What have you got to lose?

“I am writing to you again, having done so a few weeks back to insist that you take on board concerns around PCR Testing for SARS-CoV-2. While I may have not got a response, I hope that it at least gave you some pause for thought. Since then, as you will know, testing has been increased massively from August levels through September in (xxxx) – from 8,001 completed tests at the end of August to 17,841 (122% increase) as of 30th September. While the increase in cases cannot be solely explained by testing – the % positive rate has gone from around 1% 7 day rolling average at the end of August in (xxxx) , to around 9% last week in September – such a huge rise in cases does require scrutiny of these tests.

Given that our whole rationale for closing down businesses and putting the City under a cloud of fear I write to you again.

Just last week the Lancet published this article and it relates exactly to the issue of using PCR Tests for mass screening, such as we are today.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30453-7/fulltext

This issue will not go away and I quote:

“The current rate of operational false-positive swab tests in the UK is unknown; preliminary estimates show it could be somewhere between 0·8% and 4·0%”

Given the case numbers in our City (912 in September) and a variation of 0.8% False Positive Rate to 4%, this would mean that between 16% and 78% of these could be False Positives given the fact a total of 17,841 tests were carried out in that time. Even if you take the FPR to be the average of that range (2.4%) you arrive at a figure of 47% of False Positives for (xxxx)

I would not doubt you would find such numbers concerning, however, it is not your job to analyse them to this level of detail. Instead it is important that you and your party scrutinise those who are in fact responsible for such work. Again I ask you to seek the following information from our Department of Health:

> To what degree are they tracking the FPR and could they please publish this information? > Can they provide information on the tests being used for PCR and CT thresholds they are working to?

To finish, I note that Leo Varadkar is coming to the same conclusion that basing our entire Covid strategy on ‘cases’ without clinical diagnosis to accompany them is doing more harm than good, citing countries like Belgium who are also of the same thinking.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/t%C3%A1naiste-more-than-covid-19-case-numbers-should-be-looked-at-to-decide-restrictions-1.4369546

“Mr Varadkar said that other countries such as Belgium are no longer using case numbers to make their decisions on restrictions and on policy.

“They are looking at hospitalisations, ICU capacity and on deaths. It is a job for us as politicians to say to the public health people that maybe we should be focusing on that. The main objective was to make sure our health service did not get overwhelmed”

164981 ▶▶ Roadrash, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #302 of 1099 🔗

https://twitter.com/MichaelYeadon3/status/1312089530208583686?s=20

French study. Less than 3% of positive tests run at ct cycles of 35 yielded live virus. I believe the NHS is running ct cycles of 45. The conclusion being that 5he vast majority of positive ‘cases’ aren’t infectious.

165069 ▶▶ hat man, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #303 of 1099 🔗

And you think (s)he will read all this?

Great material, and enviably well-written. But how to condense it, is the problem we all face in trying to get through to the brain-washed, in the 10 seconds or so before they put the mental barriers up.

164842 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 6, #304 of 1099 🔗

The Huffington Post ain’t giving up – How to have a conversation with a covid denier. It is pure psychology and they don’t seem to realise (or are in denial about it) that the methods they suggest for such a conversation could also be used in the opposite direction i.e. against them.

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/talk-with-a-covid-denier_uk_5f6b1322c5b6718910f35b07

164847 ▶▶ Mark H, replying to Ewan Duffy, 11, #305 of 1099 🔗

“Arm yourself with facts and data”, then proceeds to offer neither facts nor data, other than an attempt to tackle the Sweden question.

I’m disappointed. I’d hoped the article would challenge me on the PCR testing strategy and results, or on the lack of commensurate rise in hospital admissions or mortality, or even on the known median age of CV19 deaths (older than the median mortality age in general).

The Huffpo can go fuck itself over a lovely warm mug of soy latte.

164852 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mark H, 6, #306 of 1099 🔗

Amazing how obvious their gutter journalism is. It mentions Qanon in the opening sentence ffs

164860 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #307 of 1099 🔗

The standards aren’t of ‘gutter’ journalism : more of ‘can’t be arsed to get out of bed’ journalism.

165496 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to RickH, 1, #308 of 1099 🔗

It’s the Huffington Post. Whatever did you expect?

165469 ▶▶▶▶ Arkansas, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #309 of 1099 🔗

BBC Breakfast was on the “QAnon” tip this morning too. Before having an easy exchange with the guy who leads the BBC Misinformation Unit, it referred to the recent protest and, in order, referred to “QAnon, Anti-Maskers, and anti lockdown” as the participants. The interview was then heavily QAnon-tinged. Funnily enough, even with this easy bowling, he didn’t come across well at all, like he struggled to join up the dots into a neat conclusion that wouldn’t imply “BBC wants you to only BBC”.

164861 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Ewan Duffy, 6, #310 of 1099 🔗

The article headlines “Covid Deniers” and uses the term “QAnon conspiracy theorists”, but advocates using non divisive language!?

164914 ▶▶ Albie, replying to Ewan Duffy, 10, #311 of 1099 🔗

The trouble is they lump everyone in the same group. Thinking a lockdown is hysterical overreaction is not the same as denying covid exists.

164936 ▶▶ Will, replying to Ewan Duffy, 5, #312 of 1099 🔗

So what is their suggestion for a convincing argument for those of us who don’t deny that covid exists, is a nasty disease for the old and sick (especially if someone sticks a tube down their throat) and thinks the only conspiracy is the government attempting to spin the second wave into something over which they can claim credit for “victory”?

164848 crimsonpirate, #313 of 1099 🔗

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164857 RickH, replying to RickH, 12, #314 of 1099 🔗

The description of a doctors’ surgery reflects my experience – and, I guess, that of many others, even if it tends to the extreme OCD end of the spectrum.

Now – the obvious (the barricaded door etc.) is bad enough. But there is a deeper aspect of worry about all this.

The job of a GP involves observing, assessing and analysing information and diagnosing.

Obviously.

What does this completely barmy assessment of the threat of SARS-CoV-2 say about their grasp of basic observation and analysis?

The last time I was actually in the GP surgery was around the peak of infection that occurred in March – just before the resulting spike of illness. People were distancing and cleansing hands – but apart from that, all was normal.As normal as during the average ‘flu season.

I do not recall any collapse of GP – or any other – services after that period – even at the height of the spike.

Now??? FFS!

164865 ▶▶ dpj, replying to RickH, 12, #315 of 1099 🔗

I agree, I wouldn’t have much confidence that a GP knows his job if he thinks Covid is so dangerous that all these precautions are necessary. Having the most up to date and accurate data on any illnesses their patients might have is essential to do their job.

164868 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to RickH, 5, #316 of 1099 🔗

The worth of the service is being systematically compromised from above, by government (which then pretends to be doing the opposite with a public statement or two). Conspiracy or cock up, the NHS is being systematically discredited.

164872 ▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Ovis, 6, #317 of 1099 🔗

Those working in the NHS are not making the systematic discrediting difficult in fact they seem to be keen to help out.

164893 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Saved To Death, 2, #318 of 1099 🔗

I see it slightly differently : as a frightening illustration of the effect of the brainwashing campaign from the Goebbels Brigade on behalf of the Mengele Command being passed on to the boots on the ground.

164971 ▶▶▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to RickH, 7, #319 of 1099 🔗

I think the main thing that separates the sceptic from the from the non sceptic is that the non sceptic considers the MSM, their politicians and social media to be reliable and authoritative sources of information and consider their own ability to asses the actual evidence to be inferior. The sceptic wants to see and asses the evidence for the claims themselves particularly claims as fantastic as what is being presented. In this case the evidence clearly tells us that what we are being told by these sources is not an accurate account of what is happening.

The really frightening part of the brainwashing campaign is how effective it has been while all the actual evidence and data has been available for all who choose to see. I would have hoped that at least the doctors and nurses would be mainly the type of people who look at the evidence themselves and not make decisions based upon what they hear from journalists and politicians and that even if their management insisted they made decisions not supported by good evidence that they would at least protest loudly or even refuse. I do realise there are sceptic doctors and nurses but I struggle to understand why the nature of the job does not lead to a much larger sceptic population. Every doctor and nurse I have known personally has been firmly in the non sceptic side not seeming to be well informed and referring to the scary news as if it is some sort of evidence while tending towards hostility towards the idea of even asking questions. Maybe there are more sceptics in these professions then the general population but it does seem still not enough to change anything much like in the general population.

164887 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Ovis, 12, #320 of 1099 🔗

You are right, I’m sure.

What concerns me is the lack of push-back at the ‘senior’ grass roots level of experienced GPs and hospital doctors – as well as the complicity of some professional organisations.

To be clear – I have had, over the past ten years, superb treatment from the practitioners who have kept me alive, and I can’t do with all the generalised partisan bullshit about how terrible is the NHS, even if imperfect (and I have direct comparisons to make from the US).

But this shit-show has exposed the massive impact of the politicized top management and its threats on the troops – to the point of reversing basic medical benefit/harm assessments.

164928 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to RickH, 4, #321 of 1099 🔗

Maybe they have been offered even more money than they usually get for vaccinations, if they go along with all this?

165501 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Carrie, 1, #322 of 1099 🔗

That’s no excuse is it?
Even worse than a lazy lack of scepticism, it’s positively despicable!

164897 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to RickH, 6, #323 of 1099 🔗

We’ve only had a couple of visits to our GP, to pick up medication, and it wasn’t as bad as that, though it wasn’t busy. I’ve had a couple of phone consultations, but in my case a visit to the GP surgery wasn’t necessary or warranted.
I do know that a lot of surgeries have virtually closed, and that’s unacceptable.

164862 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 7, #324 of 1099 🔗

Reposting as this should be broadcast everywhere:

https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciaa1491/5912603

Less than 3% positives at CT threshold of 35 of live virus.

164889 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Sarigan, 1, #325 of 1099 🔗

I’ve had a look at this, and maybe I’m wrong and they’ve mistyped something, or I’m misreading it, but I read that at 35 cycle threshold i.e. the value used to report a positive result for PCR “less than 3% of culture are negative” which doesn’t entirely make sense.

164911 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Lms23, 1, #326 of 1099 🔗

Yeah, is it saying that over that threshold everything is basically positive?

164918 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Lms23, 1, #327 of 1099 🔗

Well – I reckon I’m fairly used to reading scientific articles, but this one is very badly written. The lack of paragraphing is a giveaway of its basic illiteracy.

165014 ▶▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Lms23, 1, #328 of 1099 🔗

Trying to understand the context of that sentence, I think it’s a simple typo and they meant to say ‘less than 3% are positive’.

This would fit with the thrust of their paper, which AIUI is that:

  • if you get a +ve test before the 25th cycle, this is 70% likely to be a genuine ‘case’
  • If you have to go to 30 cycles to get a +ve, these tests are only 20% likely to be a genuine ‘case’
  • If you have to go to 35 cycles, it’s only 3% likely to be a ‘case’.

Swedenbord, have I understood this correctly?

165018 ▶▶▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to BTLnewbie, 1, #329 of 1099 🔗

I see Michael Yeadon’s Twitter (linked elsewhere) has dealt with this more elegantly than me!

165615 ▶▶▶▶ DomW, replying to BTLnewbie, #330 of 1099 🔗

Not Swedenborg but I think you’re correct and is a simple (but very unfortunate) mistake in the choice of word.

The chart at the end of the paper shows that 72 out of the 74 samples showing a positive PCR result at 35 cycles could not be used to culture live virus. Only 2 (or 3% of the 74 PCR positive samples) contained live virus.

164882 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 6, #331 of 1099 🔗

Covid-19 vaccines cause trial participants to suffer day-long exhaustion, cracked teeth, headaches and high fever

Things are going exceptionally poorly for the four major drug companies rushing to be the first to introduce a vaccine for the Wuhan coronavirus (covid-19). Trial participants are reportedly coming down with all sorts of bizarre side effects that, quite honestly, sound far worse than what the virus itself could ever do to most people.

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-10-02-covid19-vaccines-cause-exhaustion-headaches-fever-cracked-teeth.html

164888 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Victoria, 4, #332 of 1099 🔗

Speak up and #StandFirm against mandatory COVID-19 vaccines, urges RFK Jr.

Dr. Rachael Ross, a family medicine specialist in Indiana, explained that vaccines are often tested against other vaccines or vaccine ingredients, masking any negative side effects the drugs may have .

………….

Hooker said that it’s crucial to know that you can’t sue a vaccine manufacturer if you suffer from a vaccine injury or death . Instead, you must go to a government claims program where people often lose.

While vaccine makers reap the profits, those injured by vaccines have nothing but physical, mental, emotional and financial losses. COVID-19 vaccines have already received billions of government subsidy and private funding. These vaccines have become too big to fail even if clinical trials have been disastrous .

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-10-02-stand-firm-against-mandatory-covid-19-vaccines.html

164926 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Victoria, 4, #333 of 1099 🔗

What can we do practically , now that the government here have said they will not rule out making the vaccine mandatory, if take-up is not high enough, and also thinking of what Tobias Elwood said the other day?

164984 ▶▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Carrie, 3, #334 of 1099 🔗

Only thing I can think of is to try to identify a human rights lawyer who will take on a joint action from those of us who don’t want the vaccine (and in my case will do anything whatsoever to avoid having it). Lucy Scott-Moncrieff, former president of the Law Society, won the case where a mentally ill man refused “life saving” medical treatment against the advice of his psychiatric team many years ago. Not the same thing, as the public health element not in that case but perhaps she would at least know of someone who would be willing to take this on. Crowdfunding here we go…. I might ask her.

164929 ▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Victoria, 2, #335 of 1099 🔗

V accines are often tested against other vaccines or vaccine ingredients, masking any negative side effects the drugs may have .

This is a common trope among opponents of vaccination and it is nonsense. It is true that candidate vaccines are compared to controls in a trial, and those controls are often other known vaccines. But they are not both given to the same person! So given a known vaccine to group A can’t possibly “mask” any effects in group B.

The reason in passing, for using a known vaccine rather than, say, a saline, is that vaccines do have side-effects, and no serious proponent of vaccination would deny that. Indeed, perhaps 2% of subjects will report some sort of “adverse event”, which means anything that follows the trial whether or not it is actually caused by the vaccine — all such events should be followed up and assessed. Typically such events are sore arm, inflammation at the site of the injection, malaise or temperature. In a double blind trial, neither the doctor nor the subject is supposed to know which of the two they have received, in case it skews their perception and reporting of the events. If the control is a saline without effects, then any adverse events will tend to “unblind” the trials.

165346 ▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Richard Pinch, 2, #336 of 1099 🔗

Not a trope at all.

A placebo is something that should be innocuous, meaning it should contain nothing that would illicit a response in the individual. Pure saline solution for example, makes a great placebo. The reason that using a vaccine as a placebo is likely to give erroneous results is that a much larger percentage of that group will experience an adverse response than if they used a true placebo like saline.

Therefore, when they compare the vaccine group with the “placebo” group, there may be very little difference in the percent who experience adverse reactions. Therefore, they can then say that the group getting the vaccine did not have a significantly higher number of adverse reaction than the placebo. In other words, if saline were used as the placebo, there would be a very significant difference between the vaccine group and the placebo group. But that wouldn’t be good for business…

Do you know the toxicity profile of the control vaccine in the Oxford vaccine trial?

165405 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Kevin 2, 1, #337 of 1099 🔗

Confusing “control” with “placebo”. In a randomised control trial, some subjects are given the treatment under trial and others are given the control treatment. In a double blind trial, neither the doctor nor the patients knows which treatment they have been given. The control might or might not be a dummy, such as chalk tablet or saline solution, in other words a placebo — or it might be some other treatment with known side-effects.

If you use another, known, vaccine as the control, then this does indeed enable to to say that the vaccine under trial produces more, less or the same rate of adverse effect as the control.

As I explained, the Oxford trial chose to use a known vaccine as control so as not to bias the results — a meningitis vaccine MenACWY. It is in widespread use already, but I don’t have further data on it.

165255 ▶▶ annie, replying to Victoria, 2, #338 of 1099 🔗

What proportion of the participants?
Any drug can cause side effects in a few people. Have you ever read the list of possible side effects for aspirin?

164891 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 1, #339 of 1099 🔗

If Trump has been take this hydro… as a prevention all this time, and he is sick now, does it not prove it does not work?
Although he is obese, older and probably his immune system not 100% due to his work load. If he has fever, he must have been exposed to quite a lot of virus. But then he is older and fatigued and his immune system is down, so a common cold could knock him off for a day.

164899 ▶▶ John P, replying to Silke David, 2, #340 of 1099 🔗

“prevention” ?

no, precaution – reading your post it looks like you’ve bought the media cool-aid.

He’s probably absolutely fine, but they’re not taking any chances. My guess is it may simply be an overreaction to what are probably cold symptoms.

164965 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to John P, 1, #341 of 1099 🔗

I have actually not read much about the effectiveness or reason why to take this medication.
Just throwing sth out there about Trumps approach that was not mentioned in the article and that critics to his approach will surely bring up.

165025 ▶▶▶▶ Jane in France, replying to Silke David, 3, #342 of 1099 🔗

Professor Didier Raoult, of the IHU Méditerranée Infection clinic in Marseilles has been using the triple treatment with hydroxychloroquine,azithromycine and zinc since the beginning. The idea with HCQ is to take it early on and within a few days the virus load will have disappeared. If you wait till you can hardly breathe before you think about going to hospital, which was the advice at the beginning, it will be too late in many cases. In the Marseilles there has been no excess mortality this year. There have also been virtually no covid deaths among people under the age of sixty-five. He is a thorn in the flesh of the French establishment who do everything they can to discredit him. I actually heard some bloke from the Institut Pasteur, a corrupt institution if ever there was one, saying in so many words on the radio that there was no treatment for covid. That is nonsense. But if there is a treatment then all the money spent on looking for a vaccine will have been wasted. Doctors in January this year were actually prohibited from prescribing HCQ even though it’s a medicine that’s been around for a century and all its side effects are well-known. More than half of the French population trust Raoult and his videos often have over a million views. I don’t know if there are any with subtitles. He has had a spectacular career and until covid was better known abroad than in France.

164900 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Silke David, 3, #343 of 1099 🔗

HCQ isn’t prevention, it’s main aim is to reduce the severity of the symptom if you catch COVID-19. As Trump only has it mild then no doubt he can claim it’s been successful.

164955 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to JohnB, #344 of 1099 🔗

Are you sure he only has “it mild”? I’m not totally convinced. It seems he won’t be leaving hospital any time soon.

164907 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Silke David, 4, #345 of 1099 🔗

I’m not sure he was taking HcQ constantly, I thought maybe he said he was taking just for a few weeks or so? but not sure. But facing an election where quite clearly so much is at stake, at a time when he is trying to appoint a SC justice to replace Bader Ginsburg, who knows what else October has in store?

165517 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, #346 of 1099 🔗

You only need to take a dose of HCQ once a month.

164950 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Silke David, 14, #347 of 1099 🔗

“Donald Trump is one of the most protected people on earth. If you think the White House protocols on COVID are less effective than your use of a dirty mask which you pull down past your nose half the time and take off when you’re eating and drinking on a full plane, you’re nuts. The president getting sick doesn’t prove he should have worn a mask. It proves the futility of believing you can stop a highly contagious airborne virus without absolute control.”

164982 ▶▶▶ Stephen, replying to swedenborg, 3, #348 of 1099 🔗

I agree. This is a very good observation. We cannot stop a virus. It really is like trying to be King Canute.

165253 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Stephen, 2, #349 of 1099 🔗

According to the story, King Canute ordered the tide not to advance in order to demonstrate to his fawning courtiers that not even a king could do it.

165477 ▶▶▶▶▶ Splendid Acres, replying to annie, 1, #350 of 1099 🔗

Knut- one of the greatest monarchs in our history, and practically written out. Only one story remains, and everybody get the wrong end of it anyway…

http://elfinspell.com/CanutesLetter.html

The man was an emperor of the north.

165120 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Silke David, 1, #351 of 1099 🔗

https://swprs.org/more-early-covid-treatment-successes/
The Swiss doctor has some new info on that.

164895 JohnB, replying to JohnB, 1, #352 of 1099 🔗

Does anyone know if there are any protests taking place today?

164954 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to JohnB, 1, #353 of 1099 🔗

There are no protests anywhere today. Strangely.

164963 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Two-Six, 1, #354 of 1099 🔗

Not ‘strangely’, given that there was a major one last week

165017 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to RickH, 1, #355 of 1099 🔗

Must’ve looked at the weather in advance!

164958 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to JohnB, 4, #356 of 1099 🔗

There is an event in Austria, Switzerland, Germany, a human chain around the Bodensee.

164980 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Silke David, 1, #357 of 1099 🔗

So beautiful there! Meersburg very pretty.

164898 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 4, #358 of 1099 🔗

A lot of doctors and scientists who are against the vaccine are also concerned about it’s possibility to later DNA in the next generation.
They are especially opposed to vaccinating children as their body is till developing and an DNA/RNA altering vaccine could affect their DNA and their children.

164905 ▶▶ John P, replying to Silke David, -15, #359 of 1099 🔗

Get a degree at least in chemistry before speculating like this.

You don’t know what you’re talking about!

(And no, this does not make me an advocate for unnecessary vaccines!)

164957 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to John P, 4, #360 of 1099 🔗

Just repeating what I have seen and read, as I stated in my original comment.
It is sth that Dr Bhakdi is concerned about. I have -as you say – no qualification to determine how much of a risk this could be.

164961 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to John P, 5, #361 of 1099 🔗

Let’s keep it simple. The detailed science isn’t the issue (unless you’re going to accept the snake-oil). Thes issues are, for me, the decisive ones :

  1. There is no clear need for a vaccine for this virus
  2. Such a vaccine would be unlikely to assist population immunity
  3. Any novel vaccine for a novel virus needs to be extensively RCT tested for a sufficient period – which means 2-3 year
164967 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to RickH, 4, #362 of 1099 🔗

Oh – and I forgot one important factor, namely government action.

What sane person would lap up a vaccine that had been bought unseen in massive quantities (and thus needed to be peddled for non-pharmacalogical reasons), and which required the relaxation of a regulatory framework – ?

165024 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to RickH, 1, #363 of 1099 🔗

Couldn’t the answer to the vaccine hysteria simply be this:

“I refuse to take any medicine where the creators are not legally responsible for damage to my health.”

If we could get people to say this simple sentence to themselves, we wouldn’t need to argue about effectiveness or cost or percentages or anything. Even the meanest intelligence is likely to understand that when somebody washes their hands of something, there is tomfoolery afoot.

164912 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Silke David, 8, #364 of 1099 🔗

the mRNA is an intermediary between the DNA and the protein in the cell. It therefore gives an instruction to the DNA and no one knows how far it will go as we are all different genetically. Some people might be affected immediately (serious illness or death) and others might become seriously ill over many years. i.e auto immune diseases, cancer etc. Who will make this vaccine link to your illness after 10 years?

164927 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Victoria, 3, #365 of 1099 🔗

No, not really!

Let me be clear here. I’m not sure I want anything touching my DNA.

DNA is nature’s blueprint for life. Messing with it might have unforseen consequences.

What you are referring to as “mRNA” – messenger RNA – is essentially a copy of a short piece of that DNA which is then transported out of the nucleus of the cell where the DNA resides, and that RNA is then used to make protein.

There are other types of RNA which have different functions in the body.

Having this sort of discussion here is really pointless unless you have at least a decent layman’s grasp of biochemistry and molecular biology.

As for SARS-CoV-2, the virus causing the disease Covid-19, it is an RNA virus, meaning that it is essentially made of a piece of RNA. Some are made of DNA.

165074 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to John P, 2, #366 of 1099 🔗

“RNA vaccines actually change the genetic makeup of our own cells in a form of gene therapy.

While news outlets claim to have debunked Kaufman’s evaluation, the fact remains that this is a type of vaccine that has never been licensed for use in humans before — so how do the debunkers know for certain that it doesn’t change your DNA?

Conventional vaccines train your body to recognize and respond to the proteins of a particular virus by injecting a small amount of the actual viral protein into your body, thereby triggering an immune response and the development of antibodies. But, mRNA vaccines are designed to co-opt your body to force it to produce its own viral protein, which, theoretically your immune system should then attack.

As I said, the danger is that no previous vaccines have had your own cells produce the viral proteins responsible for producing immunity and no one can predict what will happen, especially for individuals genetically and epigenetically predisposed to developing autoimmune disorders.

What might go wrong when you turn your body into a viral protein factory making antibodies on a continual basis? Again, no one knows since no mRNA vaccines are on the market and their first users will be guinea pigs. But, according to researchers at the University of Pennsylvania and Duke University.

“Potential safety concerns that are likely to be evaluated in future preclinical and clinical studies include local and systemic inflammation, the biodistribution and persistence of expressed immunogen, stimulation of auto-reactive antibodies and potential toxic effects of any non-native nucleotides and delivery system components.”

When looking at other research the scientists also worried about blood clots and edema, and some of these effects, such as systemic inflammation and blood clots, resemble severe symptoms of COVID-19 itself. Since the changes work at the genetic level, could this vaccine technology create long-term or even generational effects in the human genome?”

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/09/22/warp-speed-vaccine-will-be-shielded-from-liability.aspx

164939 ▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Silke David, 2, #367 of 1099 🔗

There isn’t one single “the vaccine”. The Oxford vaccine is an inactivated adenovirus, genetically modified to produce antigens sufficiently to SARS-Cov-2 that the antibodies to one are effective against the other. This is similar to the traditional vaccination, where the relatively harmless cow-pox (vaccinia) stimulated antibodies effective against the much more harmful smallpox (variola). The Moderna mRNA virus is completely different and much more novel.

165048 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Silke David, 4, #368 of 1099 🔗

Vaccinating children against Covid is insane. They are at far less risk from Covid than they are of the flu.

164903 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 7, #369 of 1099 🔗

https://twitter.com/OscarTengmark/status/1312186571727097858/photo/1

Michael Ryan, WHO, gives an estimate of 10% of the world population 750 millions have been infected. He is worried about the rest of the 90% population. This will give an IFR 0.013 % which is similar to flu. As masks and SD never have stopped flu how can he suggest that these destructive measures would do the trick now for a similar respiratory virus?
Mike Ryan,WHO,has been a disaster from the beginning. He overestimated the IFR very early on and then dismissed that there were asymptomatic cases. He is one of the worst in the WHO. It was a pity that Nabarro was not selected as WHO Director even though he often holds their official line, there are sometimes and probably deliberately hints from him of another approach to the pandemic. van Kerkove is also another reasonable person in the WHO.

164953 ▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, 1, #370 of 1099 🔗

The WHO is a disaster area.

But, having heard Nabarro pontificating :

It was a pity that Nabarro was not selected as WHO Director”

WTF???

165005 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to RickH, 1, #371 of 1099 🔗

Nabarro hold the official lines mostly but sometimes there has been some more nunced utterings more in the line of living with virus rather than zero suppression but probably me being too optimistic that there is a crack in the top echelon of the WHO

164904 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 4, #372 of 1099 🔗

The vaccine article in Forbes is written by a Covid-credulous person, though. At the end he says:

We must do all we can [link to article on public health measures] to control Covid-19 as China and other Asian countries have successfully done.

He is genuinely shocked that the vaccine may not be the silver bullet he assumed it would be, against the great threat of Covid.

We, on the other hand, aren’t impressed by the threat of Covid, so we don’t see the need for a silver bullet in the first place. We, therefore, should not be shocked at all that the vaccine will be more-or-less a placebo. In fact, the stories they’re releasing about side effects may just be theatre to convince us that the vaccine is ‘real’.

164947 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Barney McGrew, 3, #373 of 1099 🔗

I cannot believe China is reporting positive tests and deaths on the same basis we are

It’s implausible for them to have suppressed the virus

164996 ▶▶▶ Andy C, replying to Julian, 3, #374 of 1099 🔗

It isn’t. They no longer count asymptomatic individuals as ‘cases’.

165114 ▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Julian, 3, #375 of 1099 🔗

They took us for a ride anyway.
But even they couldn’t have imagined that we are still that stupid 6 months in.
Nor could Mengele have imagined that we are voluntarily muzzling up our children.

165035 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Barney McGrew, 8, #376 of 1099 🔗

I sent this article to Toby and Will yesterday but they didn’t pick up on it. Maybe because it’s behind a pay / 3 free articles trial wall and Forbes isn’t.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/22/opinion/covid-vaccine-coronavirus.html

Written by two Docs. It’s an eye opener in terms of how the Big P 3 are running their trials and how they are planning to get FDA approvals and at what costs. I have previously emailed LS re vaccine petition for example, so people must think I am a raging anti-vaxxer, which I am not, I just can’t believe that people are incapable of connecting the dots. I am tired of LS saying that this is all just incompetence. It isn’t. It just takes some real guts to acknowledge just how much we are being played and abused by politicians we may have voted for in the last elections.
Masks were not a thing 6 months ago, now mandatory with increasing hostility towards non-maskers.
A mandatory vaccine was out of the question 6 months ago, now the UK GOV isn’t ruling anything out, on the basis of vaccine trials that are simply pathetic and as NYT article points out, may not prevent any deaths but on the contrary lead to unforeseen adverse reactions in many people for lack of long-term trials.
Maybe people will wake up to the dangers of this when their kids get a mandatory flu shot and come down with the exact same symptoms of Covid-19 that said vaccine was meant to prevent. Only that kids are at no threat by Covid-19 in the first place. Ludicrous.

165111 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Barney McGrew, 4, #377 of 1099 🔗

If you read Rappoport on how the vaccine can be made a success in any case, it is entirely possible now, especially in light of the sudden production developments, that the administered ‘vaccines’ will just be, expensive, placebos.
They won’t do physical harm, the plandemic can be ended, they can be sold as a success and control and discrimination devices can still be introduced.
Population reduction will take care of itself, as people in the 3rd world starve to death because of our lockdowns, children here become even more of a luxury item, life expectancy will reduce (it already has, through lockdowns) and health services will be cash-strapped.
Missions accomplished.

164908 Caroline Watson, replying to Caroline Watson, 23, #378 of 1099 🔗

It is good to see some dissenting voices on the left, as that is where the narrative has to be changed. The left is not, of course, homogeneous; the middle class, public sector, BLM/XR -supporting left is very different from the traditional working class left, and it is that fissure that needs to be widened and exploited.

Lockdowns and social restrictions protect the healthy, middle-aged, home-and-garden-owning, public sector-salaried middle class, and their securely retired counterparts, at the expense of the working class, the self employed, the young and the very old.

That message needs to be put over loud and clear. The public sector unions also need to be very careful. Once this is over, they may find that their disproportionately risk averse approach, with apparently no concern for pupils/students/patients, has turned public opinion against them just as it turned against the industrial unions in the late 70s. And look what happened to them!!

164913 ▶▶ Will, replying to Caroline Watson, 9, #379 of 1099 🔗

Notice absolutely zero talk from teaching unions about shutting down schools. They seriously over egged the pudding and will pay for it…

165107 ▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Will, 10, #380 of 1099 🔗

Same in Germany.
An ad hoc poll by a newspaper just showed 85% of parents being against masks in school.
More and more parents are resorting to legal action and they are usually winning the case/exemption.
Some teachers are now rebelling because they are finding out that they will be on the hook personally, if a child collapses or dies because of the muzzle.
Head masters, unions and politicians are doubling down in response though, of course.
This won’t end well.

165207 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Jay Berger, 2, #381 of 1099 🔗

Well, I sincerely hope that 3 children dying suddenly within 1 week and facemasks seem to be a contributor to them falling ill will make parents wake up.

164922 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Caroline Watson, 12, #382 of 1099 🔗

Very good analysis. What the liberal metropolitan elite are doing to my home town makes my blood boil. That covers the entire Cabinet, and their neo-Marxist advisers. God forbid, but if there was ever another ‘conventional war’, one of the first places they look for cannon fodder is the proud and loyal North East while they declare their pacifist sympathies. I especially despise the luvvie media women who write articles in the Times and Guardian (some also in the Telegraph) about their sisters in the North while struggling to contain their smug contempt.

164951 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Caroline Watson, 1, #383 of 1099 🔗

I’m afraid your generalised analysis is based on simple-minded characterisations shaped by prejudice rather than reality.

Bottom line : the right, representing a lot of Tory constituencies, voted massively for retention of the ’emergency’ powers.

Just a little detail that was missed in trying to divert attention away from the actual authors of the debacle.

… and no – I’m not excusing the unions who have been supine, or the self-described ‘left’ who have swallowed the narrative whole, or the chocolate fireguard of the Labour Party, either.

But silly generalizations (actually very much mirroring those of what I call the ‘Tooting Left’ for those that know the reference) are beside the point in a political issue that cuts right across traditional political definitions.

164979 ▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to RickH, 2, #384 of 1099 🔗

Keep up your clear-eyed posts, Rick! Totally appreciated for your refusal to parrot divisive political tropes and to challenge unhelpful and inaccurate stereotypes.

165004 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to RickH, 2, #385 of 1099 🔗

I’m still mystified by the tendency of people to talk about the left without expanding on what that means . So someone makes some generalisation about the left (presumably because without some sort of generalisation, the label of ‘left’ would be meaningless, anyway), and someone who decides they represent the ‘left’ gets a bit angry and says ‘Don’t talk in stereotypes’. But they don’t expand on why the initial generalisation was wrong. They could say “Liberty is not incompatible with the left wing because… Here’s an example….”. But they never do!

165032 ▶▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, #386 of 1099 🔗

Further to my comment above, I feel like the two chaps in the IT crowd who are mystified by ‘football talk’. They are mystified that people just ‘know’ about football; football people don’t have to expand on it; they all understand each other. Left wing politics seems to be a bit like that: aggressive, edgy, ‘unspoken’.

165529 ▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Caroline Watson, #387 of 1099 🔗

Great post. check out Paul Embery on the Unherd website he did a great post on what your saying.

165541 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Caroline Watson, #388 of 1099 🔗

Well said!

167352 ▶▶ Bruno, replying to Caroline Watson, #389 of 1099 🔗

Sorry but the narrative actually needs to be changed on the sinister right wing of the Tories, where the Tobias Ellwoods of this world reside, and the fervent lockdownistas in the shires. This poster has not observed that the LIB Dems, the epitome of middle class home owners, voted en masse against the extension of the Corona virus Act. Tunnel vision.

164910 TJN, replying to TJN, 14, #390 of 1099 🔗

Another good article by Lord Sumption, this time in The Telegraph :

‘Boris Johnson’s ‘strongman’ Government is destroying democracy: Rule by ministerial decree is both contrary to our political tradition and thoroughly bad practice’

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/10/02/boris-johnsons-strongman-government-destroying-democracy/

Content aside, I hugely admire his precision of language and the verbal construction of his essays and interviews – a reliable indicator of clarity of thought.

As regards the content, he is pointing here at the danger of the demise of Parliament itself – something that’s been bothering me over recent months. For me, Parliament is the only sure footing upon which our governance can proceed. But can it survive when it’s riddled with the non-entities who infest it today?

As Rod Liddle in his talkRadio interview of yesterday appeared to be alluding towards, perhaps the main problem is the groupthink imposed by the parties themselves. Time for a new start methinks. A ‘Reset’, if you like.

The mainstream parties are destroying Parliament.

164916 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to TJN, 6, #391 of 1099 🔗

What a shame that Rod Liddle has been so embarrassing over Covid iself, though.

164920 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Barney McGrew, 3, #392 of 1099 🔗

I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance …

164941 ▶▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to TJN, 3, #393 of 1099 🔗

Has he repented over Covid..? I hope so.

164948 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #394 of 1099 🔗

The talkRadio interview (linked here yesterday) seemed to say so.

164933 ▶▶ RickH, replying to TJN, 9, #395 of 1099 🔗

I think I would slightly alter your last sentence:

” The current generation of MPs are assenting to the destruction of parliamentary democracy by their supine inaction.”

Let’s put responsibility where it belongs. As I’ve previously mentioned, I’ve known personally three generations of MPs in one constituency. They were all party members, but the first two were also strong characters with clear views on matters of principle.

The second was prepared to put his chairmanship of a major select committee on the line in order to defend those principles, and oppose his own government’s policies (and was right to do so – we are now reaping the whirlwind).

I don’t see much of that sort of bottle around at the moment, where Brady and Co. were bought off by the most specious of revisions before the debate this week.

Others have said it – but the number who actually voted against renewal of the Corona Virus Act were derisory – and a terrible comment on the quality of MPs.

164946 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to RickH, 2, #396 of 1099 🔗

” The current generation of MPs are assenting to the destruction of parliamentary democracy by their supine inaction.”

Yes, quite correct I think. But what’s the cause? Does the current party machinery result in the selection of supine candidates?

And does this same drive towards groupthink mean that similar non-entities rise to the top in so many of our institutions?

You can probably guess my answers.

165019 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to TJN, 4, #397 of 1099 🔗

I think so. I’ve long taken the view that the national party structures are inimical to representative democracy. It’s a problem inherent in the system, but one that builds up over time, taking several generations to reach its current peak (also driven by technological advances in communications). It fosters an illusion of control and direct democracy in a system that is designed to be representative, while encouraging political lying (even more so than is inherent in politics anyway).

I’d like to abolish national political party structures and require candidates to stand locally, represent their constituents and form alliances once in the Commons based on their personal principles and constituency interests. It’s never going to be possible to enforce that completely – there will always be pressure to form policy alliances, but just disallowing formal party structures will make it far more difficult for MPs once elected to be “whipped” and to base their decisions on submitting to party hierarchy and dogmas to benefit long term ambition.

165206 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to RickH, 1, #398 of 1099 🔗

But 300 didn’t even bother voting that in itself I find alarming. https://www.ukcolumn.org/

165140 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to TJN, #399 of 1099 🔗

Here’s a pastebin of this article, but of course you should consider paying for the Telegraph if you enjoy their output https://pastebin.com/m4zzj7T9

Me, I can’t bring myself to pay a paper that misuses terms like “cases” and “infections” so deliberately in a way that I believe will break our democracy.

165247 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Tee Ell, 4, #400 of 1099 🔗

The Telegraph output is indeed odd at times. Many of their opinion pieces are sceptical, but they sprinkle in a lot of pro-mask/intervention pieces, which appear very shallow and insubstantial. It’s as if they have a government quota to fulfil, and they do so by publishing articles that are so daft they appear almost satirical.

165563 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tee Ell, #401 of 1099 🔗

Often the coments are vomitworthy too – and not just from the trolls

165202 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to TJN, 1, #402 of 1099 🔗

But disappointingly the comments to his article were very negative. There are an awful lot of trolls on the DT.

165240 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #403 of 1099 🔗

I don’t generally bother much with comments. I saw a few of the negative ones here, but they were without substance, which tells its own story.

165519 ▶▶ wat tyler, replying to TJN, #404 of 1099 🔗

Glad to see Rod Liddle has changed course to become a sceptic.

164937 Hoppity, replying to Hoppity, 11, #405 of 1099 🔗

Once upon a new-normal NHS Friday in October 2020 (1st of 2 consecutive posts):

A colleague of mine has some sort of mental impairment. I’ve not been working with her for long, but there’s no doubt in my mind that, one way and another, she is extremely vulnerable socially.

At breaktime yesterday she was fretting aloud about ‘an embarrassing problem’. I suggested that she should arrange to see her GP about it. (I knew this would be far easier said than done, but it sounded as though an examination would definitely be in order.) My colleague gave the idea some thought and decided to call her surgery shortly before we left work for the day. She was anxious about phoning the surgery and wanted the 3 of us (her colleagues) to help her through the phone call.

To cut a long story short, the receptionist resisted the idea of booking any sort of consultation directly and suggested my colleague should send photographs of her backside to the surgery for her GP to look at so that they could determine if a consultation were needed. I could half-hear the receptionist, and couldn’t believe what I was hearing. How, I wondered, could any woman think to suggest to another (whose date of birth, etc. would no doubt have been up on the former’s screen) that that course of action would be appropriate. I waved frantically at my colleague, shook my head and mouthed, “Say no!” The poor woman slowly stuttered down the phone, “I don’t have anyone to take photographs of it, and I don’t have internet.” So it was left that the GP would phone her (an idea that had been dismissed out of hand earlier in the exchange), presumably with a view to determining that way whether or not a visit to the surgery would be necessary.

I called in at my own GP surgery on my way home yesterday to pick up some blood test results. It had been 10 days since the blood had been taken, but it’d proved impossible to get through to the surgery by phone. It hadn’t made any difference what time of day I’d called — the number was constantly engaged. When I asked about this, suggesting that they could do with more than one number or line (I’m not a telephone engineer to know how things work), I was told they already have 14 lines (whatever that means).

There was only a handful of cars in the car park yesterday, and absolutely nobody in the waiting areas. Just 2 receptionists, behind the screens that make it virtually impossible for either party at the counter to hear the other — lots of repetition and correction going on.

164945 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Hoppity, 10, #406 of 1099 🔗

Absolutely mental.
If you are responsible for implementing these policies you are insane. If you are a medical person, how can you live with yourself for supporting these policies and not fighting against them.

164943 Hoppity, replying to Hoppity, 9, #407 of 1099 🔗

Once upon a new-normal NHS Friday in October 2020 (2nd of 2 consecutive posts):

(Now that I’m here I’m reminded of my last-but-one visit to the surgery — another new-NHS-normal experience which I feel deserves a mention. I’d been in pain for a number of days and have a history that meant I was beginning to wonder if something serious was up, so reluctantly took myself along to the surgery — first visit since before the lockdown.

Visitors had to queue and wait for a receptionist to come out to them in the porch. My turn came and the be-masked and -visored receptionist went into receptionist-triage mode, pen and pad in hand. I have always thought this inappropriate, and dealt with it varyingly, depending. On this occasion, I judged that I’d probably fare better if I cooperated a little, so explained that I’d been in pain for a few days, and had a history that meant I believed a face-to-face consultation would very much be in order.

To my astonishment, she responded by asking in a hoarse half-whisper, “Is it your genitals?” Well, you could have knocked me over with a feather. I turned and look behind me to see if anyone was there besides me listening to this. As luck would have it, there was nobody there.

I chose not to express my horror there and then, as I could see the woman was acting in earnest and afraid of doing the wrong thing by her employer, and I still hadn’t secured an appointment. When I came back home, I resolved to write a letter of complaint, suggesting that a few of their receptionists were in need of more training. However, I eventually ended up mentioning it to the HCA who took the blood sample the following week. She said she’d have word with the head receptionist to that effect. I hope she did.)

Yesterday afternoon, I decided to walk into town, as I needed the air (wind and rain — a little sanity), and hadn’t gone into town for weeks. (It’s like a ghost town these days, and I cannot put into words how I feel about seeing people in the streets sidling along in masks, etc..) I bumped into a cousin of mine.

She told me her husband had been diagnosed with Parkinson’s. It seems they were on the road when their GP phoned, so they pulled in to a lay-by to take the call. Apparently, the GP asked her husband a few questions, and then asked to speak with her. Her husband was then told to get out of the car and walk back and forth, and my cousin was instructed to report on this or that aspect of how he walked. The GP concluded that it seemed my cousin’s husband had Parkinson’s. They’re waiting on some sort of letter about it now, and a visit from a specialist nurse.

By this point I was only half-listening, as I thought the idea of being given a diagnosis of that sort in the way they had been unreal, and had been struck by the fact that my cousin appeared not to think there was anything strange about it at all. (But maybe it was just that the ‘bad news’ obliterated everything else about the transaction — I mean, ‘consultation’.)

164990 ▶▶ Thinkaboutit, replying to Hoppity, 6, #408 of 1099 🔗

Parkinson’s does have a characteristic gait that once you know what to look for is not difficult to spot. But it rather destroys the myth that GPs are all-knowing beings. They just observe stuff that passes the rest of us by. One day a robot will do it and they’ll all be out of a job.

165002 ▶▶▶ Sue, replying to Thinkaboutit, 2, #409 of 1099 🔗

I think that one day, maybe not too far off, that you’ll just tell your Alexa (voice automation) of your symptoms and get a response/recommended treatment. So this will be the primary care and need less health professionals who focus on followup specialist treatment. It’s already here with GPs mainly doing things over the phone; just substitute a human for automated system.

165023 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Sue, 3, #410 of 1099 🔗

This is definitely what they want like Vodaphone Viccy, the AI bot help thing they have. The most annoying thing ever. I think most GP’s are just typing interfaces anyway these days, they type stuff into a PC and the diagnosis and treatment comes out. They will be replaced with AI.

Who needs a GP?

Image processing can identify a range of conditions now easily and often better than the human eye can. Think moles, rashes, blood vessel patterns, skin tone, all that stuff.

I guess the GP’s who aren’t brainwashed might be able to re-train as councillors to help undo all the mass covid psychosis out there now. That could be a good earner for them once they loose their jobs.

165021 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Thinkaboutit, 3, #411 of 1099 🔗

My mother’s GP missed Parkinson’s twice. It was only after she fell and ended up in hospital that she was finally referred to the Parkinson’s clinic. She had the characteristic gait, trembling hand and constant fluttering of her eyelids. It was a battle to get medication – physio is the first suggestion – but there are drugs that really make a difference to its progression if they are prescribed early enough.

164959 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 4, #412 of 1099 🔗

Unfortunately the Trump thing is just more of the hysteria. Going to hospital as a “precaution”. If he had a fever and a negative test he’d just be tucked up in bed, the symptoms alone do not warrant hospitalization. All just adds to the scariness.

164972 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Achilles, 4, #413 of 1099 🔗

There’s also an election just round the corner.

Trust nothing.

164976 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to RickH, 2, #414 of 1099 🔗

Trump’s prospects of re- election will improve for every day he is out of the way.

165058 ▶▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Will, 9, #415 of 1099 🔗

I don’t really follow American politics closely but my impression is that Trump will win with a landslide anyway. The coverage you get here doesn’t really reflect how popular he is there.

165347 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Achilles, #416 of 1099 🔗

If he hadn’t endorsed any shutdown at all, never worn a mask and fought Fauci and the governors who did shut down the whole time, he would get elected even if he was already dead.

165091 ▶▶ Bumble, replying to Achilles, 1, #417 of 1099 🔗

Also the Americans are just generally ott about anything to do with presidential security, health etc. Eho knows how his disease will develop, if at all, but hospitalisation doesn’t indicate much right now. Same as when they visit overseas and take all their own cars, secret service etc

164960 Brett_McS, replying to Brett_McS, 2, #418 of 1099 🔗

Trump had been self-medicating with HCQ, but he stopped a while ago, apparently because of advice from his doctor.

164975 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Brett_McS, 2, #419 of 1099 🔗

Dr fauci???

165087 ▶▶ djaustin, replying to Brett_McS, 1, #420 of 1099 🔗

Trump was medicated with Regeneron’s anti-SARS-COV2 antibody cocktail. they reported some impressive results on mild patients last week.

164969 Stephen, replying to Stephen, 44, #421 of 1099 🔗

Opinion is changing.

Was in my local barber shop today. The barber is in his 20s. Sees the whole thing as overblown. Will still be socialising with his friends this weekend at a party. Says he may be selfish but he cannot give up his life. I told him it is we older generations (I am over 50) who are the selfish ones.

A couple of his relatives are nurses. One of them works on a Covid ward. We agreed it is sad. I asked if it is any different to a flu ward at this time of year. It’s not, in his view.

Another works in a cancer testing area. Empty.

Also said that a paramedic came in this week and said that heart attacks are being recorded as Covid! The hospital allegedly gets more money.

Everyone is asked to wear masks. But you could see that this was because they are having to follow “rules” so they do not get shut down. The proprietor (who is over 60) wandered in and was not masked. He gets it.

Clearly, Covid is a real illness. It can kill. But, our totally disproportionate response is clearly costing us far more in terms of deaths, human misery and loss of liberty than the virus ever could. It increasingly feels like Soviet Russia: most people “get it” but pay lip service to the prevailing state orthodoxy.

As for the vaccines effectively being a glorified Lemsip, I have to say that nothing would surprise me. Our civilisation has suspended its ability for rational judgment.

165100 ▶▶ Mark H, replying to Stephen, 8, #422 of 1099 🔗

Yes, COVID-19 is a real immune system response to a new virus. It can kill. But the ‘flu kills 10x more people.

164970 John Ballard, replying to John Ballard, 15, #423 of 1099 🔗

Stood outside m and s waiting for the Mrs as not wearing a mask. Sad sight seeing teenagers and under 50s wondering around masked up when outside. What a sad country we have become.
I only came in as promised a pub lunch when she’s finished !!!! And even that is only one step away from being ruined by the buffoon and his stupid rules.

165011 ▶▶ John Ballard, replying to John Ballard, 7, #424 of 1099 🔗

Sat outside next now and I reckon one in ten passers by have masks on outside. Crazy world! In Truro Cornwall and we are still waiting for the first wave!!!! Cannot believe how many have been brainwashed and scared into stupidity.
Hopefully will get some sanity in the pub next!!!

165497 ▶▶ Old Normal, replying to John Ballard, 1, #425 of 1099 🔗

I’ve noticed this a lot more too in recent days. Even today in the torrential rain, I saw quite a few people wearing them in the street. I just don’t understand it.

164974 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 9, #426 of 1099 🔗

The graun let the cat out of the bag yesterday.

“. . .’aerosols’- tiny particles less than 10 microns in diameter produced by ordinary breathing. These are small enough to pass through the fabric of masks. . .”

We all know that but this was in the Guardian.
An opinion piece by one Lorna Finlayson
‘How Universities tricked students into returning to campus. . .’

‘Students were promised face to face tuition but as soon as their fees and rents were secured the institutions turned their backs on them.’

I posted a complaint about this made on the Jeremy Vine show the week before last.

My opening paragraph comes as Lorna explains how Universities knew that encouraging students to return in person would result in Covid cases spiking, they just wanted the money anyway.

My own view is that students should let infections rip so it will safe for nan to share Xmas lunch in 10 weeks time.

164983 ▶▶ RickH, replying to karenovirus, 2, #427 of 1099 🔗

From the government perspective, it’s not a good idea to just ‘carry on regardless’. Essentially, if little happens (as we would expect) beyond what always happens in the ‘return’ period of autumn, it screws their whole narrative.

Thus the constant repression to manufacture a crisis.

164993 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to karenovirus, 1, #428 of 1099 🔗

The average diameter of the c19 virus particles is around 120 nm (0.0001mm)

Presumably the 10 microns (0.01mm) refers to globules that the virus may be stuck to?

165029 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Major Panic, #429 of 1099 🔗

No idea Major, I was quoting Lorna, sorry I can’t provide a link from Android.

164977 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 6, #430 of 1099 🔗

I’ve popped on Twitter this morning, and things becoming much clearer although more scarier.

Latest news is the real potential for mandatory vax. UsForThem Liz Cole was talking about a colleagues conversation with Gavin Williamson yesterday. He said it would be condition for schooling and normal life of child.

Then Yeadon added that it’s against the Nuremberg code but someone else said it’s just experiments that are, not vaccines.

Later on info emerged from New England Med journal that the evidence for sign off of vax will be much slimmer than normal.

A Forbes article said all the vaccines won’t prevent infection (the drug companies released vax protocols). So that DOES potentially make the vaccines experiments.

Then it emerges in a BBC article that police, army, civil servants Etc are now allowed to break the law (including murder I believe) and a law has just been passed allowing them to do so.

Hope you enjoy the potted latest!

CM x

165102 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #431 of 1099 🔗

This ‘vaccine’ clearly IS a medical experiment.
All mRNA, DNA, vector ‘vaccines’ are anyway, and for decades to come.
We have no way to tell until then whether the DNA will be impacted and changed or not, whether all, some or none of the offspring of herewith vaccinated people will be Supermen, suffer from Down Syndrome or die immediately.
And as we don’t know, the chances for each outcome, positive, negative or neutral, are an equal 33%.
We also won’t know for decades what happens when an mRNA vaccinated person reproduces with another one, or a DNA one, or a vector one, or a traditional one, but we’d better!

It is high time that lawyers pursue that Nuremberg code angle, which is also the case and proper one for masks.

164978 Nigel Sherratt, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 3, #432 of 1099 🔗

The lightning v C-19 risk stated seems wrong in Robert Hunter’s Medium article. COVID-19 mortality is similar or lower than other causes of death by age-cohort — schoolchildren are 8x more likely to die by lightning strike

He quotes 1/19 million for lightning and 1/2.3million for C-19 in 5-14 year olds. 19/2.3 is indeed 8.3, which I suspect is the sum he did, but it is of course upside down.

Lightning seems a popular metric but it’s pretty useless. Nobody at Medium spotting this rather confirms that.

165016 ▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 2, #433 of 1099 🔗

Interesting report :

In the UK in the past 30 years (1987-2016), 58 people were known to have been killed by lightning, that is, on average, two people per year. The average annual risk of being struck and killed was one person in 33 million.

It goes on to report that 7 people under 20 were killed in that 30-year period. So about 21% of population but only about 12% of risk, say 1 in 60 million chance.

165030 ▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Richard Pinch, 5, #434 of 1099 🔗

Update: the risk of being struck by lightning appears to be about 1 in 1 million per annum for people in the UK. On that basis, the risk to a child (5-14) of dying of Covid is about half the risk of being struck by lightning, but about 20 times the risk of dying of lightning strike.

Interesting to discover that the chance of surviving a lightning strike is about 97%

165082 ▶▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Richard Pinch, 1, #435 of 1099 🔗

Another similarity to Covid 19…

165150 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Richard Pinch, #436 of 1099 🔗

I wonder how they define a “strike”, for that stat? I think in most cases people who are affected by a nearby strike are often described as having been “struck”. My suspicion is that an actual strike directly to the head, say, would be pretty definitively terminal, though I’m speculating and happily stand to be corrected if contrary evidence is available..

165163 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Richard Pinch, #437 of 1099 🔗

Having read the article – great read by the way, thanks – it looks like a strike is when anyone is significantly medically affected by a lightning strike, directly or nearby. The article notes the increased numbers in US stats where reports include people who are relatively trivially affected.

164986 Nic, replying to Nic, 7, #438 of 1099 🔗

780 students at Newcastle university test positive for corona but only 78 that’s 1% have symptons , wonder how many will die or end up in hospital. ? I would guess none!

164987 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Nic, 18, #439 of 1099 🔗

It really goes to show how ridiculous this situation has become that something which would have previously been cause for relief (lots of cases but very few deaths/hospitalisations) is now a cause for panic and alarm.

164992 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Nic, 7, #440 of 1099 🔗

That’s actually 10%.

But, the question is ‘Symptoms of what?’ They could test positive for Covid – but you could bet that something like 10% at this time of the year will have some pretty generalized symptoms of something.

Like a cold.

165008 ▶▶▶ Nic, replying to RickH, #441 of 1099 🔗

Ye I meant 10% BUT STILL A LOW NUMBER.

165013 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Nic, 3, #442 of 1099 🔗

My first reaction was how they got all these people to agree to get tested, but then they might have been threatened with sanction if they do not comply.
Then I thought, good, let them have it and build immunity. And it will show people, if they read below the headline, that + does not mean ill.

165037 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Silke David, 3, #443 of 1099 🔗

This is why I’m not going anywhere near campus if I can help it.

165088 ▶▶▶ peter, replying to Silke David, #444 of 1099 🔗

Mass testing at the entrance to every university for the last month has manufactured these figures.

165105 ▶▶▶▶ Thinkaboutit, replying to peter, 3, #445 of 1099 🔗

And now the government has their DNA. Nice.

165299 ▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to peter, 1, #446 of 1099 🔗

These will all have been tested at the same test venue. I am suspicious on that ground alone.

Same thing happened with Leyton Orient’s squad.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/sep/21/leyton-orient-covid-19-carabao-cup-tottenham-spurs

165081 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Nic, 3, #447 of 1099 🔗

If they had reduced the test cycles to 30 or 35, they’d have had a handful of positives only, if any.

164988 Nic, 1, #448 of 1099 🔗

Sos my maths is out not 1 % but still a very low number

164995 BTLnewbie, replying to BTLnewbie, 8, #449 of 1099 🔗

It’s a bad day for anti-maskers with Trump hospitalised and the “I told you so”-ers out in force.
However, thanks so much to BeBop for this link sent yesterday:
https://youtu.be/AQyLFdoeUNk
It’s the video debate between Kyle Johnson and Denis Rancourt on the efficacy of masks in late July.
The science may be up in the air (tho’ clearly coming down on the side of ‘masks don’t work’) but the fanatical approach of KJ – the pro-masker – is something to behold. All the BTL comments indicate that he has lost the plot.
In brief, the argument is:
“It stands to reason that masks must work – any downsides are irrelevant – tens of thousands of lives would be saved and the virus stopped in 4 weeks if we all wore them!”
versus
“The scientific evidence is so weak that the precautionary principle argues against a major new health intervention, ie mandating masks, which may have downsides”
The comments below the video are a delight!

164997 ▶▶ CGL, replying to BTLnewbie, 4, #450 of 1099 🔗

But his mask was to protect others not him???

165263 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to BTLnewbie, #451 of 1099 🔗

Also he seems a very annoying character in general. No fun at parties for sure.

To add to that, this is the Newsnight report where Deborah Cohen said the masks mandates were due to lobbying not science

https://youtu.be/Bw51IudGNb8

164998 swedenborg, 10, #452 of 1099 🔗

https://twitter.com/RebeccaChandle1/status/1312078783017558017/photo/1

This is an excellent illustration of the pandemic in Sweden but probably very similar in more European countries.

On the left side you have the amount of diagnosed cases and majority between 20-60

In the middle, ICU treated patients and majority between 50-80 and probably most likely patients with comorbidities but not so many from long term care.

The last column deaths, almost exclusively 70 and over. Many with so many co-morbidities that they are not showing up in ICU, a conscious decision that ICU care could not be of benefit for already severe co morbidities with an estimated normal lifespan of 7-9mths in care homes.

 How could anyone deny that this is a geriatric pandemic with well separated age groups?

164999 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 8, #453 of 1099 🔗

As we know, the story of Covid is one of reason taking a back seat to emotion. That’s why, sadly, the Trump saga will slow the advance of scepticism. The emotional response is “If it can happen to the President and First Lady then it can happen to me and my family.” The risk is no higher because Trump and Melania have it but the narrative impact is big, as with the PM.

165007 ▶▶ Nic, replying to OKUK, 5, #454 of 1099 🔗

Let’s hope he s ok and only has minor symptoms got to stay positive

165110 ▶▶ stewart, replying to OKUK, 10, #455 of 1099 🔗

You can tell how mentally unstable society has become by the panic that Trump catching coronavirus is causing.

If he’d caught pneumonia, like Hilary Clinton did during the 2016 campaign, nobody would have thought much of it, even though pneumonia can be very very nasty.

It’s very distressing living in a world in which so many people have lost their minds.

165003 Mark, replying to Mark, 7, #456 of 1099 🔗

So mild are the symptoms the vaccines are being tested against that Haseltine dryly remarks: “These vaccine trials are testing to prevent common cold symptoms .”

A cynic might suggest that such a glorified lemsip would tick all the really important boxes – politicians get to force it on everyone (of course it will be “voluntary”, provided you don’t want your kids to go to school, or to participate in most of ordinary life) and claim their policies “suppressed” the deadly disease until the vaccine came along, while big pharma will get its payout, and more importantly for them, human society will have been changed globally so that fear of, and mass medicalisation of, previously relatively unimportant respiratory diseases will be the norm, going forward. Every few years another massive payout, especially as more widespread distancing and less free exchange of viruses will reduce general immunity and resistance levels and make them more dangerous. Pretty decent result, for the Guilty Men and for the profiteers.

165027 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Mark, 3, #457 of 1099 🔗

This virus is as infectious as it is because it takes hold in the upper respiratory tract. Given what they are now saying about immunity, whether via a vaccine or naturally, it strikes me that when an immune person encounters the virus it looks possible that there will be virus in their upper respiratory tract, even if their immune system can deal with it and prevent illness.
Which makes me wonder if an immune person could then still have enough virus to test +ve with a swab test?

165077 ▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #458 of 1099 🔗

Probably.
And then he could also still be infectious.
Which means: masks forever (despite their uselesness/danger).

The other question is: wouldn’t the vaccine be similar to an overdose for such people?
Shouldn’t people be tested for their immunity achieved already before taking the vaccine?
And I am sure that there are many more questions that should be asked and answered before doing anything, but aren’t and likely won’t.

165193 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #459 of 1099 🔗

According to the review of current vaccine trials by Nature, all of them
are for Lower Respiratory Tract infection. Not upper. So it’s delusion in the extreme to think that ANY vaccine will deal effectively with Spread. And I suspect your right an immune person could test positive.

165073 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Mark, 2, #460 of 1099 🔗

I don’t know.
The currencies will collapse with Covid 20 the latest, and there won’t be any money for pensions, civil servant salaries or drug spending anymore for at least two decades (see Germany post WW2).
And people will likely start to die in the millions within a few months or years of the vaccine, not with it.
We’ll just have to invest accordingly and hunker down for a while.

165022 Lucan Grey, replying to Lucan Grey, 12, #461 of 1099 🔗

Do the politicians understand what they are getting?”

A simple review of the progress of the flu vaccines over the years would tell you what you will get.

Something that only becomes effective for elderly people after many years of development and even then doesn’t stop it dead.

Hence why we still have flu outbreaks.

If the vaccine doesn’t prevent people being infectious and the vaccine has limited effect on those that are older, exactly what is it going to prevent?

165026 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Lucan Grey, 7, #462 of 1099 🔗

The ice caps melting and sea levels rising.

165288 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Lucan Grey, 1, #463 of 1099 🔗

“exactly what is it going to prevent?”

Bodily autonomy?

165028 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 11, #464 of 1099 🔗

Boris won’t listen. He’s been told this is a global initiative and planned for many years. The vaccine is more than likely ready to go. But in order to get many of the western countries willing to go for it, Chaos has to be caused first. The health ID will be your way to freedom, work, shopping, travelling etc. NGO’s and the UN have encouraged millions to move around the world, ever wonder how they have mobile phone’s, to track them. They need to know where they are, people in the west are already part of this. Then cashless, many have been issued with credit cards to use if they find employment, easier to track. Its a well thought out plan to control the world and what we do.

165038 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Dan Clarke, 8, #465 of 1099 🔗

Yes, they are going to get many if not all the control measures they have dreamed of through in a couple of years – these would have taken a couple of decades normally. The controlled media will undoubtably relentlessly sell the measures as being for our ‘safety’. Unfortunately the masses are far too trusting of the elites and will enthusiastically go along with every measure either due to brainwashing or peer pressure.

165085 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Darryl, 4, #466 of 1099 🔗

I believe they did try to implement it in 2010 but were too late with the vaccine production, lost money, now trying to make up for lost time and money

165097 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Darryl, 7, #467 of 1099 🔗

Agree, I have days where I am genuinely scared for my future and would rather put a bullet in my head, other days I think that all these plans are scaremongering and those in power can’t organise a piss up in a brewery (track & trace) so it will go nowhere.

Fear means people can be manipulated.

165237 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to stefarm, #468 of 1099 🔗

I wouldn’t be so fearful if it wasn’t for the involvement of the Silicon Valley Tech Giants and Big Pharma. The tech companies constantly amaze me will how quickly they can roll out ideas and market things to the public that they don’t really need – for example toasters and toothbrushes connected to the internet!

165066 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #469 of 1099 🔗

The clearly dangerous Oxford ‘vaccine’ now seems to be primarily a nationalistic penis extension for him- and/as for tens of millions of the most stupid Brits too.

165185 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Dan Clarke, 8, #470 of 1099 🔗

It’s been suggested that COVID is short for Certificate of Vaccination ID which is sounds sinister to me as it confirms this was a Plandemic.

165378 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Bella Donna, #471 of 1099 🔗

Interesting, could well be. They love TLA’s and abbreviations. I think they went with COVID was because it sounds more scary. Like an alien or an insect.

They could have called it Justin or Colin if they weren’t trying to psy-op us all to fuck.

165040 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 2, #472 of 1099 🔗

An interesting thing. Mrs Two-Six was just looking an ONS annual flu report table. We have a screen cap dating back to early June 2020 with a table.

It covers deaths associated with Influenza in England 2014-2015 and 2018-2019. It was capped on the 04th of June 20 Table 7

The other table Table 4 covers most of the same periods but the numbers are totally different, it looks like the general trend is to make Flu look must less dangerous in the newer table.

What could account for the difference in the data?

165042 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 2, #473 of 1099 🔗

Old table

165043 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, #474 of 1099 🔗

New table

165056 ▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Two-Six, 2, #475 of 1099 🔗

I have to say I don’t know for a fact, but I observe that these are not recorded deaths but estimates for excess mortality over a certain time period from an. algorithm called FluMOMO. Presumably if you take a different five-year interval, you get a different baseline for deaths in each season and so a different estimate for the excess as difference between baseline and recorded death numbers.

The FluMOMO model The objective of this model is to explain number of deaths by a baseline, influenza activity and extreme ambient temperature. Thereby, estimating mortality attributable to influenza and extreme temperatures.

165080 ▶▶▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to Richard Pinch, 1, #476 of 1099 🔗

EuroMOMO update their analysis regularly with a rolling five-year window of data. That refits the model at each update so the exceedence will change due to the model changing slightly. Deaths reported in the table are really model predictions and change accordingly. The threshold Z-score set at 4 is sufficiently high to be a robust measure for identification of excess mortality. For reference, a value of 40 was recorded at the peak of the COVID19 epidemic!

165089 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to djaustin, #477 of 1099 🔗

Except we come back to my constant carp : the uselessness of the term ‘excess deaths’.

165095 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to RickH, #478 of 1099 🔗

… and the tables are defined as showing ‘deaths’ – not ‘excess deaths’.

The assumptions seem to be in the area of attribution of influenza as a cause.

Standing back – it’s yet another example of dodgy numbers in this business.

165424 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to RickH, #479 of 1099 🔗

You’re quite right, they do not call them “excess deaths”. That’s the MOMO wording: monitoring of excess mortality

165131 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to RickH, #480 of 1099 🔗

the uselessness of the term ‘excess deaths’.

Do you mean you think the concept is sound but not capable of being of value (“useless”) for planning or policy purposes? Or sound but not actually being used in a useful way? Or unsound as a concept? Or sound but not determinable from available data? Or sound and determinable from available data but just not being computed correctly?

165090 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to djaustin, #481 of 1099 🔗

Thanks!

165404 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Richard Pinch, #482 of 1099 🔗

Thanks for these answers, good stuff. I will get Mrs Two-Six to have a look at the answers too. She doesn’t have numblexia so they will mean more to her.

I was surprised at the variation. I assumed the ONS would be using a count of actual dead people and what it said on their death certificates but no, they seem to just make up the data as they go along. Amazing.

165423 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Two-Six, #483 of 1099 🔗

That’s grossly unfair to the ONS, a group of people for whom I have some respect. They are usually quite clear as to what they are counting or recording, and how they do that, on the one hand, and what they are inferring, or deducing from other data on the other.

I would be surprised and disappointed to hear that they “make up the data as they go along”.

Of course, this is a PHE document anyway.

Clearly if you are asking for number of excess deaths, you have to infer it — deaths certificates don’t come from the doctor marked “excess” — and you have to have a method for doing that. They explained what that method was. They start with the actual numbers of course.

165060 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Two-Six, 1, #484 of 1099 🔗

It is strange that the data varies to such an extent, given the same algorithm and a long enough period in both cases for reporting to stabilise for most years.

Could ask ONS.

165045 Jay Berger, replying to Jay Berger, 18, #485 of 1099 🔗

Suggesting that Trump caught the virus because he didn’t wear a mask is unscientific, desperate and stupid.
It is usually done by the very same people who had to accept, reluctantly, the uselessness of masks for that very purpose and went on to peddle the granny killer nonsense instead.

165189 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Jay Berger, 8, #486 of 1099 🔗

Seen so many opinions that Trump got the virus because he did not wear a mask. People quickly forget that the only reason for someone wearing a mask is the minuscule possibility that one might pass it on to others. Never, even in this whole horse shit saga, has it been credible to suggest wearing a face covering stops you getting it. But hey ho….anything to politicise the point to make Trump look foolish.

165241 ▶▶ annie, replying to Jay Berger, 7, #487 of 1099 🔗

Masks do not protect the wearer.
That us stated on every pack of the filthy things

165245 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Jay Berger, 4, #488 of 1099 🔗

It’s desperate and completely wrong as he has sadly been wearing masks. But it is clearly the narrative the media have been given to push for mask wearing outside and harsher penalties for those still not submitting to the establishment.

165049 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 11, #489 of 1099 🔗

Trumpy didn’t appear to have his orange tan on yesterday for his pre-hospital address, possibly to look unwell for the doubters….

My money’s on him re-appearing in a few days, healthy and fully oranged up, proclaiming defeat over the pesky virus and promoting the experimental treatment (vit d?) – re-branded Trumptastic

165057 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Major Panic, 1, #490 of 1099 🔗

Yeah, two week time, after daily injections of Domestos he’ll be claiming he defeated the virus and that everyone should be taking Domestos. The because he’s had it and wants to defeat it permanently one to two weeks later he’ll announce a vaccine to save everyone.

165061 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to JohnB, 2, #491 of 1099 🔗

Trumpestos

165067 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Major Panic, 5, #492 of 1099 🔗

The orange thing is the TV broadcasters playing with the tinting and colours to put him in abad light, he’s never been orange.

Soviets used to do these are in communist days to make opponents look bad.

165072 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #493 of 1099 🔗

Isn’t he like the McLaren Formula 1 car from the 80’s and 90’s with the Marlboro sponsorship which is actually Orange and White to the naked eye, but through a camera lense is Red and White.

165079 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Major Panic, 1, #494 of 1099 🔗

Positive effect on Regeneron shares no doubt.

165050 Jay Berger, replying to Jay Berger, 4, #495 of 1099 🔗

Haseltine is copying what Doshi, Toblin and Rappoport’s already observed.
The term usually used for a product like this is not ‘vaccine’ but ‘drug’.
As such, it should be treated, trialled, approved, disseminated and taken like a drug:
risk and need based and above all: voluntarily!!!!!!

165280 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Jay Berger, #496 of 1099 🔗

Haseltine was one of the first to comment and expressed his scepticism about the Oxford vaccine (AZD1222) animal study way back in May:-

“… All of the vaccinated monkeys treated with the Oxford vaccine became infected when challenged, as judged by recovery of virus genomic RNA from nasal secretions. There was no difference in the amount of viral RNA detected from this site in the vaccinated monkeys as compared to the unvaccinated animals . Which is to say, all vaccinated animals were infected. This observation is in marked contrast to the results reported from Sinovac trial. At the highest dose studied, no virus was recovered from vaccinated monkeys from the throat, lung, or rectum of the vaccinated animals.
There is a second troubling result of the Oxford paper. The titer of neutralizing antibody, as judged by inhibition of virus replication by successive serum dilutions as reported is extremely low . Typically, neutralizing antibodies in effective vaccines can be diluted by more than a thousand fold and retain activity. In these experiments the serum could be diluted only by 4 to 40 fold before neutralizing activity was lost. Again, by contrast the titer of neutralizing antibodies in the serum of those vaccinated with whole inactivated SARS-CoV-2 was high.
What then is the argument for pressing forward with the adenovirus vector SARS-CoV-2 spike protein vaccine?
The authors present evidence to the effect that, although the vaccine did not protect the animals from infection, it did moderate the disease. The vaccinated and control animals were followed for clinical signs of infection for seven days post infection. One clinical sign of infection in rhesus monkeys is breathing rate. Monkeys ill from SARS-CoV-2 infection breathe more rapidly than normal. By this measure 3 of the 6 vaccinated monkeys were clinically ill, the remaining three were not clinically distinguishable from the unvaccinated animals.
A second test is measurement of the amount of virus in the lungs (bronchial lavage). Viral RNA was detected in the bronchial lavage of 2 of the 6 vaccinated animals and in all three unvaccinated animals, again suggesting only partial protection.
At day seven post challenge the animals were euthanized and examined for lung damage. Two of the three unvaccinated animals “developed some degree of interstitial pneumonia” as judged by pathological examination of the lungs. No such damage was observed in any of the vaccinated animals.
It is encouraging that no evidence of vaccine induced disease enhancement was observed in either the Sinovac vaccine nor the Oxford trials. However, experience with other vaccines tells us that is not a firm guarantee that such will be the case for humans.
What to make of this data? It is crystal clear that the vaccine did not provide sterilizing immunity to the virus challenge, the gold standard for any vaccine. It may provide partial protection.
The question then becomes: Will partial protection be enough to control the COVID-19 pandemic? That is an open question. For an answer we can look to other diseases for which only partially effective vaccines exist—HIV, tuberculosis, and malaria. The answers are not encouraging, except perhaps for the protection of childhood malaria.
What are the potential implications for other vaccine trials? We know adenovirus is a good vector for eliciting protective responses for protein coding genes of other viruses, in fact better than many others. This then raises the question of whether vaccine strategies based on the delivery of viral antigens by nucleic acids, be it DNA or RNA, will suffice. From the published data the nucleic acid of select viral genes and proteins delivery technology seems inferior to a whole killed virus vaccine approach.
What then are the choices for the Oxford group? Steam ahead with a vaccine known to be partially effective at best, one which we already know elicits poor neutralizing responses? Work to improve the immunogenicity of the current vaccine? Attempt trials with combinations of two or more vaccines, a prime boost strategy?
These questions are all the more fraught by what we already know about the complexities of antibody reposes to natural infections. For example, we know in the case of SARS and other coronavirus infections that even high titers of neutralizing antibodies fade quickly over time. How long can we expect weakly neutralizing antibodies to protect?We know what the public response is of the Oxford group and their collaborators. Proceed with full speed to human safety then efficacy trials. Time will tell if this is the best approach. I wouldn’t bet on it.”

https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2020/05/16/did-the-oxford-covid-vaccine-work-in-monkeys-not-really/

165053 Jay Berger, 17, #497 of 1099 🔗

The water polo story and conclusion makes it pretty clear what all this is really and solely about: a huge exercise in mind control.

165054 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 39, #498 of 1099 🔗

The whole saga of mask is astonishing. WHO,CDC and everybody accepted it without any evidence (RCT) that it worked. They used a flawed meta- analysis in June, published in Lancet commissioned by WHO. These were only observational studies which are inherent biased. Furthermore several studies referenced was studies of face masks in hospital settings, which are absurd to compare with community wearing of masks. Many were from China and substandard and almost laughable that Western nations swallowed these third world studies. Since June not a single RCT study has been published(All published RCT studies of flu show no efffect of masks). The world’s only RCT study of masks/no masks in C-19 was finished in early July in Denmark. No result has been published. There are rumours because of so few cases enrolled (the first wave in Denmark mild) so no statistical conclusion could be drawn. But the Rigshospital, Copenhagen ,Denmark,(where this RCT study was done)has not introduced extra or further from the Danish guidelines as regards mask. This they might have done from an ethical standpoint if there was any evidence of effect in the preliminary study.

It is extraordinary that CDC, Lancet, the torchbearer of evidence-based medicine accept these substandard studies going against all earlier principles. This is a psyop political decision. They have also even published articles that mask wearing could attenuate the infection like a variolation. Some has even claimed that the lower deathrate in the second wave in Spain might be because of the wearing of masks.

All evidence points in the opposite direction that mask might increase cases. Argentina’s mask wearing since several months and is now not even at the top of the pandemic with 13000 cases a day and the other day reported a backlog of 3000 deaths to be added, in this mask wearing country.

Mask fanatics are on a medieval level of their thinking. More akin to the self-flagellation in time of the black death.

165062 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to swedenborg, 14, #499 of 1099 🔗

Yep. In Germany, the very well reputed clinical hygiene Prof. Ines Kappstein reviewed the evidence for masks and it’s history very thoroughly, unbiased and sober.
She was shocked.
And, obviously, ignored.

165127 ▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Jay Berger, 1, #500 of 1099 🔗

I wish I could understand German. If anyone knows of a source for this with subtitles or an English transcription I’d be interested to watch.

165217 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Jay Berger, 4, #501 of 1099 🔗

I have listened to it, such a good analysis!
It is really a shame that the best information all seems to come form the German speaking countries.

165071 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to swedenborg, 1, #502 of 1099 🔗

Thanks for this comment piece.
You say: “ This is a psyop political decision.” Do you know of any information where this political decision came from?

165181 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to godowneasy, 4, #503 of 1099 🔗

“BREAKING: Hitchens quotes BBC2 medical reporter Deborah Cohen tweeting that multiple WHO sources said “political lobbying” not “evidence” led them to change WHO directive from Do Not Wear Masks to Do Wear Masks.”
https://ibloga.blogspot.com/2020/07/breaking-hitchens-quotes-bbc2-medical.html

165254 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Lms23, 1, #504 of 1099 🔗

https://youtu.be/Bw51IudGNb8

And this is the Newsnight report where she says it was lobbying. Skip to the last minute

165184 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to godowneasy, #505 of 1099 🔗

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/888799/S0396_Twenty-seventh_SAGE_meeting_on_Covid-19.pdf

Para 22 / 23.

However, this is April so it’s never really been clear since why it’s been implemented in June / July – seems that it’s mirroring the rest of Europe as much as anything.

165252 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to godowneasy, 1, #506 of 1099 🔗

Look at the Masks 4 All group

165402 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to godowneasy, 2, #507 of 1099 🔗

In July it was obvious in the US that lockdown had not worked as planned and the CDC director was pressing for school openings. Redfield had shocking statistics of increasing suicide in the young. They must have all realized, including Fauci and CDC Director Redfield that when lockdown is lifted the cases will just come back. They made a pact with politicians, opening up but mask mandate. That was a compromise the politicians were satisfied with this as it gave an illusion of control. The hapless epidemiologists were kept on board and  both Fauci and Redfield had no problems at all being turncoats as regards mask. They have both dismissed HCQ as an early treatment as there were no RCTs for it but accepted masks without RCTs although CDC own publication showed masks didn’t work for flu despite several RCTs. That was the devil’s pact between politicians and epidemiologist in the election year.

165670 ▶▶▶▶ gipsy2222, replying to swedenborg, #508 of 1099 🔗

Does anyone know the suicide numbers for the UK this year? Could an FoI request be used to find out?

165086 ▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, 3, #509 of 1099 🔗

This is a psyop political decision.”

Particularly given that the WHO had reviewed the data in Autumn 2019 in relation to ‘flu epidemics, which document had come out against most ‘flavour of the month’ measures that have been used this year (including the current favourite : ‘Track and Trace’.

The earlier UK planning document (2011) takes a similarly measured approach, with the ‘worst case scenario’ envisaged being far in advance of anything that Covid-19 has posed.

An interesting illustration from the UK document (echoed in the 2019 WHO one) :

“Although there is a perception (my italics) that the wearing of facemasks by the public in the community and household setting may be beneficial, there is in fact very little evidence of widespread benefit from their use in this setting.”

This is but one striking area of revisionism. The sticky fingerprints of political/financial pressure are all over the volte face that has taken place – if anyone was previously in doubt.

A wider concern has to be the way in which science has been corrupted in this process, so that we have the dual threats of credulous gullibility on the one hand, and total mistrust of everything on the other.

About the worst of all possible worlds.

165103 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to RickH, 3, #510 of 1099 🔗

Here’s a link to the 2019 WHO document you mention:

https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/329438/9789241516839-eng.pdf?ua=1

Most of the measures they say are pointless and not really recommended.

165109 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Awkward Git, #511 of 1099 🔗

Exactly!

165108 ▶▶ TJN, replying to swedenborg, 2, #512 of 1099 🔗

Many thanks for this and all your other posts.

165170 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to swedenborg, 2, #513 of 1099 🔗

The WHO recommended wearing masks after political lobbying.
Any RCT quoted are to back up a decision already made, not to inform it.

165186 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Lms23, 5, #514 of 1099 🔗

See also the deliberately botched HCQ trials, soon redacted but did the required trick of “discrediting” an inconveniently unprofitable solution.

165198 ▶▶ AndrewNYC, replying to swedenborg, 1, #515 of 1099 🔗

I posted this before, but here was my own detailed analysis of the June WHO/Lancet study that Swedenborg discusses. The science of this study is appalling. http://www.economicsfaq.com/retract-the-lancets-and-who-funded-published-study-on-mask-wearing-criticism-of-physical-distancing-face-masks-and-eye-protection-to-prevent-person-to-person-transmissi/

165235 ▶▶ annie, replying to swedenborg, #516 of 1099 🔗

Very like the self-flagellation, except that you weren’t forced to do that.

165260 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to swedenborg, #517 of 1099 🔗

Yes indeed. A bit of irony is that an observational study is good enough for them re. masks, but dozens of observational studies re. HCQ is certainly not good enough for them.

165068 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 9, #518 of 1099 🔗

Went into Greggs yesterday and there was a Yellow/Black zone in front of the counter which you were not supposed to tread but unless you were as tall as Richard Osman(6′ 7″ I believe) you couldn’t reach over to pay.
Who thinks this stupidity up?

165076 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #519 of 1099 🔗

Same with Greggs here, obviously an edict from head office.

165112 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to karenovirus, 3, #520 of 1099 🔗

so just throw the money.. 50pence pieces … pity we dont still have half crowns . they were heavy

165604 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Fingerache Philip., #521 of 1099 🔗

Stupid people.

165078 Basics, replying to Basics, 7, #522 of 1099 🔗

At 4 mins in a letter from a listener to Raab is read out. The letter questions PCR test false positive rates – are they 90%? Also questions parliamentary bars – are they open?

Raab aide’s response is read out. As far as the aide knows the answer to both questions is yes that is correct.

Raab & the government know and now recoginse the PCR test false positive rate is 90%.

https://youtu.be/Q9ro8_eAVAA
From last Monday.

165099 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Basics, 9, #523 of 1099 🔗

Listen on a little to hear Peter Ebdon putting the case for dumping the PCR test on national radio last week too. Well done Peter.

165101 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Basics, 1, #524 of 1099 🔗

Didn’t hear the original interview, but presumably they don’t mean the false positive rate per se, but rather the chance of the test actually being incorrect, given a positive result, in the current prevalence situation.

165126 ▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Mark, #525 of 1099 🔗

Agreed. The prevalence of people who completely lack any understanding of basic statistics is alarmingly high. Could we start testing for that instead?

165201 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Mark, 1, #526 of 1099 🔗

Quite clearly you took the cofrect meaning from my dashed account. You appear to be unconcerned by the point of tge matter that an official government response records that pcr testing is not accurate. In the slightest. If somebody is doing diligent work and not just commenting on LS to shoot the shit then this may be of some importance to them. Keep up the great work.

165250 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mark, #527 of 1099 🔗

Wrong. And the aide is wrong. Raab, to be fair, is talking about this reprint on airport testing being 7% effective and only testing 5 days later a second time works for tracing infections from travellers.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/phe-investigation-into-the-effectiveness-of-double-testing-travellers-incoming-to-the-uk-for-signs-of-covid-19-17-june-2020

This interview and the 7% number has become a meme among sceptics and shows just how easily the wrong info is spread.

FPRs are a huge issue but on this particular occasion, the sceptics have got ahead of themselves

Read the source

165083 Kevin 2, replying to Kevin 2, 16, #528 of 1099 🔗

From a Tesco e-mail received yesterday (probably anyone with a Clubcard got one):-

Safety for everyone

  • In our larger stores, we now have colleagues at the entrances to help everyone follow the safety measures we have in place, and to answer any questions.
  • Over the coming weeks, you will also start to see a simple ‘traffic light’ system at the entrances of some of our larger stores, to help us manage the flow in and out.
  • Hand sanitiser and cleaning stations are available around our stores, and we continue to have social distancing guidelines and signage in place.
  • When you visit our stores, please follow the legal guidance on wearing a face covering. If you forget to bring one, we have packs available to buy at the front of our stores, which you can open immediately and pay for with your shopping later. As a reminder, the police are able to issue fines for not wearing a face covering, unless you are exempt.

Hmmm. Stick to Aldi methinks…

165130 ▶▶ Hubes, replying to Kevin 2, 2, #529 of 1099 🔗

I think it’s all for show to make it look like they are doing stuff. I’ve had no problems at Tesco. Never had to queue, never worn a mask.

165214 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Kevin 2, 2, #530 of 1099 🔗

Tesco in Ireland have had an automatic counter at the entrance to my local store for many months now (displays either green or red, depending on whether you can enter or not). Lidl in Ireland have a red/green traffic light system for months as well.

Tesco (UK) obviously reckon this isn’t ending anytime soon.

165409 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #531 of 1099 🔗

Traffic lights for people going into buildings to limit the amount of people in a building because of a virus. Insane. I bet the people who thought this one up thought it was hilarious. Imagine them sitting around “going so what ELSE could we do that would be really disruptive, destroy any semblance of humans acting as independant beings…I know traffic lights at the doors of super markets.

Hilarious.

165225 ▶▶ annie, replying to Kevin 2, 5, #532 of 1099 🔗

I got that one. And replied. Telling thrm they were crawling bullies and could fuck off.

165607 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to annie, #533 of 1099 🔗

Did you point out that people aren’t going to stand outside in the rain in winter, waiting for the traffic lights to let them in?

165279 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Kevin 2, 1, #534 of 1099 🔗

Got the same email myself. I had to go into ASDA yesterday for something urgent that I couldn’t do elsewhere. Expected to see covid marshals on the door but there was no one. Just walked in and took care of my business. Walked out without buying anything else.

165358 ▶▶ Graham, replying to Kevin 2, 1, #535 of 1099 🔗

Don’t worry. Tesco’s seem fine with the great unmasked. I haven’t been stopped or challenged and the staff seem friendlier, perhaps because I’m the only person in the shop whose smile can be seen.

165092 Dan Clarke, 6, #536 of 1099 🔗

They know the virus is nothing to most, but the vaccine is everything to the global controllers. That’s why they do not want to listen to reason.

165093 James H, replying to James H, 3, #537 of 1099 🔗

Has anyone (else) received an invitation from Oxford University, the Office for Nat Statistics and DHSC inviting them to take part in a Covid-19 infection Survey? One dropped on my doormat today, purporting to be “at random” and I am a little alarmed at this development. A cash incentive of £50 is being offered, but one has to be visited, in person, and a swab taken as a condition of taking part. My wife is all for it, believing that this is totally innocent. Myself, I am rather more dubious. I doubt if I would even get tested if I _did_ unwell, let alone as a matter of routine. I was written to to take part in Imperial College’ s test, but I didn’t answer the two letters inviting me to do so – at random.
This looks, and feels like a slippery slope, and doesn’t feel “random” at all. Makes me queasy about what else is in store for us. Really, really uncomfortable with this.

165124 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to James H, 6, #538 of 1099 🔗

It won’t tell you anything useful.

If someone thinks it’s worth getting £50 to have something rammed up your nose, when the result is more likely to return a false positive than anything else, and then make you liable to be held hostage in your own home else risk a substantial fine, that’s fine.

But we need to remember that this £50 is being taken from someone else – savers, pensioners, the next generation… and that the results will be manipulated against us in order to curb our basic human freedoms. For me, it’s not a price worth paying.

If they could guarantee they will do two PCR tests at a cycle threshold of ~26 and then attempt to take viral cultures to learn something genuinely useful from the results, that would be an entirely different matter.

165152 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to James H, 6, #539 of 1099 🔗

I’d bin both letters. It’s a slippery slope if you take it.

165203 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to James H, 4, #540 of 1099 🔗

I had the same invitation. It went straight into the bin.

165276 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to James H, 3, #541 of 1099 🔗

Just remember that if you take the test and it comes back positive, regardless of whether or not you actually have the virus – and odds are it’s a false positive – if you get a positive result, you will be required to self-isolate as will your contacts. Not worth £50 to me. Your friends and family will be upset with you when they can’t go to work.

165094 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 3, #542 of 1099 🔗

William Haseltine in Forbes has looked at the trial protocols that four leading vaccine developers, Moderna , Pfizer , AstraZeneca , and Johnson & Johnson , have published and drawn a shocking conclusion: none of them is aiming to produce a vaccine that prevents infection or reduces likelihood of death.

Isn’t that obvious? If the vaccines would prevent infection then you’d just need to get it once and that’s it. That’s no good, especially since a lot of people won’t get it, relying on others to eradicate the virus. No, what you want is a vaccine that will need to be administered every single season, and everyone will need to take it.

165251 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 1, #543 of 1099 🔗

Twice in Season 1, of course..

165096 Allen, 11, #544 of 1099 🔗

It is blatantly obvious that these vaccines (like most) were never intended to prevent anything but were intended to create profit for the world’s most powerful pharmaceutical companies who are some of the most powerful corporations on earth.

Their representatives who are many of our “elected” officials will go along with this, that is what they are paid to do, until their is enough heat applied from below to make it too uncomfortable for them to proceed with these policies that put the public in a dangerous position.

The vast sum of these vaccines will likely be “dumped” onto the “third world emerging markets” but will be subsidized by the likes of you and I. That’s a win-win for Big Pharma as they seek massive returns on their investments.

Big Pharma is not in the business of creating cures it is in the business of creating customers.

Swine flu 2009 redux on steroids.

165098 Paul, replying to Paul, 8, #545 of 1099 🔗

I wanna to tell you a story,as Max Bygraves would’ve said,the story is true,only the names have been changed to protect the innocent,I would be grateful for any insights.

Last Monday unknown person A goes to the gym and on Tuesday gets a positive test.The gym gives everyone’s details to track and trace.

Person B is also at the same gym at the same time on Monday.

Person B gets a call from NHS track and trace telling them they were at the gym at the same time as person A and must now isolate for 10 days,they have no symptoms whatsoever and is feeling fine,they are not told to get tested.

Person C (my friend) has been in the small business operated by person A this week,but has had no contact with person A only members of their staff,who have been in contact with A.

My friend (C) is worried because they have existing health issues and is going to isolate for a week.I don’t think this is necessary at all,surely they are too far along the track and trace chain to be involved ?.
My friend is certainly not a bedwetter and over the months has become 95% sceptical but this has put fear back into them and I am having great difficulty reasoning with them,any suggestions please ?.

The track and trace bollocks is very insidious and could cause a never ending family tree type chain of connections if people implement it in the wrong way.

165106 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Paul, 14, #546 of 1099 🔗

Track and trace is the government pretending it is “controlling” the spread of the virus.

It’s BS.

165133 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to stewart, 4, #547 of 1099 🔗

WHO – 2019 :

OVERALL RESULT OF EVIDENCE ON CONTACT TRACING
1. Evidence for overall effectiveness of contact tracing was limited. All included studies were simulation models.
2. Only one study reported on the effect of adding contact tracing to isolation and quarantine. Such addition was estimated to provide at most a modest benefit, but at the same time would increase considerably the number of quarantined individuals.

“RECOMMENDATION:
Active contact tracing is not recommended in general because there is no obvious rationale for it in most Member States. This intervention could be considered in some locations and circumstances to collect information on the characteristics of the disease and to identify cases, or to delay widespread transmission in the very early stages of a pandemic in isolated communities

165115 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Paul, 1, #548 of 1099 🔗

I guess you could tell them that for the person who tested positive, there is likely a ~2/3 chance it was a false positive. It is far far far more likely they have come into contact with someone who has genuinely been exposed at some other point since February, and didn’t take any similar action.

This is also a good summary: https://inference-review.com/article/on-the-futility-of-contact-tracing

165229 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Paul, 2, #549 of 1099 🔗

Firstly, to assess the risk, why did A get a test? A went to the gym so A is obviously not experiencing symptoms.
I would say C is not at risk of having caught any virus. They need to have direct contact with A. No need to isolate.
Heinsberg study showed that in a family of 4, where 1 person was ill, mostly no-one else got ill or even tested +.

165243 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Paul, 1, #550 of 1099 🔗

Anyone who sways like the wind are evident as the second wave narrative is front and centre now.

So they are sceptic when it suits them and ‘cases’ are low. Any rise and the fear kicks in. They think that being a sceptic will make them more susceptible. Its all just looking for the story that makes them feel warm and fuzzy. No logic, no critical thinking. Just made up tales in their head and an exercise in confirmation bias

165277 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Paul, 2, #551 of 1099 🔗

Track and Trace is basically 6 Degress of Matt Hancock

165104 stewart, replying to stewart, 20, #552 of 1099 🔗

If the vaccine story is accurate and this isn’t a giant scandal in every major media outlet, it simply confirms that our system of democracy has completely broken down.

Our democracy really does rely on a free and independent press holding power to account on behalf of the population. If the press is simply a blatant mouthpiece of the establish power, then we are left with an authoritarian state posing as a pseudo-democracy.

165116 ▶▶ RickH, replying to stewart, 9, #553 of 1099 🔗

You are absolutely right – and thus we have a comprehensive decay both of parliamentary democracy and the means of holding it to account in the form of a broad spread of independent media.

The decay has been a long time in the process – but we can clearly see the results in the present situation.

I keep thinking of those two generations before mine – and the great betrayal that has taken place.

… and the culpable bastards will be sporting poppies next month. Yuk!!!!!

165156 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to RickH, 5, #554 of 1099 🔗

Constitutional reform is a must after this.

165139 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to stewart, 1, #555 of 1099 🔗

Weirdly, we don’t live in a democracy, and never have as we live in a monarchy. Although what it really all means is open to as much debate as any political issue. I heard it said once that technically Britain is ruled by God!

For reasons best known to the lord above authority has been vested in “The Crown”. Of course we know that ultimately the Crown does not seem to get involved in politics, so the whole roundabout of nonsense continues…

165158 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Leemc23, 5, #556 of 1099 🔗

Years ago, Lord Hailsham described our system as an elective dictatorship. He was bob on.

165113 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 4, #557 of 1099 🔗

Has Anna Brees been ‘spoken to’? She was in tears the other day saying that she had a very worrying phonecall. I emailed her to wish support but she would not divulge anything.

She has recently tweeted this which is very out of character:

https://twitter.com/BreesAnna/status/1312287238517125122

165123 ▶▶ Paul, replying to Sarigan, 1, #558 of 1099 🔗

I wonder too,recently I don’t know what to make of some of her posts and videos,something seems very different.

165164 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Sarigan, 6, #559 of 1099 🔗

That Twitter thread certainly went down the rabbit hole..

I’ve come to the following conclusion: the next time there’s a Davos or Bilderberg meeting, or meeting of the UN, they should be nuked from a low orbit. It’s the only way to be sure and put an end to this globalisation bllx….

165455 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Lms23, #560 of 1099 🔗

Here is another good video about it all, that someone posted on Anna Brees’s Twitter: https://www.thethinkingconservative.com/the-great-reset-davos-and-the-plot-to-cancel-trump/

Note at about 8 minutes in, there is Prince Charles speaking – but there is something about him that looks and sounds ‘wrong’…is it actually really him??

165450 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Sarigan, #561 of 1099 🔗

Seems like she has been leaned on..
Don’t know if she discovered about the Global reset and was going to do (or had maybe made) something critical on it, and was then threatened by someone who had heard of her plans.
So she has instead tweeted about it in a different way than she originally intended, so that it sounds like she thinks it could be a good thing????

I agree, Sarigan; it is very odd… I wonder if Simon Dolan will pick up on it?

165117 shorthand, replying to shorthand, 29, #562 of 1099 🔗

BREAKING NEWS!! Committed Lockdown Sceptic and eligible Aberdeenshire Batchelor, Shorthand, makes 260 mile round trip to Central Scotland to visit family and friends flouting Scottish lockdown rules.

In as many days, a 2nd high profile Scottish figure has poked a finger up at the First Minister’s decrees and made an unnecessary journey. In this instance to visit his ageing parents and to meet his oldest friend Hammy in order to see the new family puppy Ollie and attend Hammy’s youngest daughters under 13 football crunch league match being played at the home ground in Carrick Knowe.

The match itself, with controversy both on and off the pitch, ended in a humiliating 7-1 thrashing for the home team at the hands of a stronger Musselburgh side. The home team managed a last minute face saver in the dying minutes of the game with a debatable goal which was only allowed as it was getting too dark to see if it had actually crossed the goal line.

40 minutes in, the home side went a girl down after seeing young Becky (12yrs) sent off after a crunching challenge on the visiting right winger. Drama late on had the home team in need of a goalkeeper substitution with wee Debbie (11yrs) running off in tears after being hit by the ball.

Further controversy was sparked after the home side’s trainer/manager alleged that the visiting team had maybe fielded a 14 ½ year old.

It is alleged that Shorthand stayed over at the Ancestral Pile in Bo’ness in further breach of ministerial decrees. Bo’ness on the River Forth, short for Borrowstounness was famously dubbed ‘the Arsehole of Scotland’ by the national bard Robert Burns.

Asked to comment on the events of the past 2 days, Shorthand responded “Well to be honest, I hate to be overly critical but I was bitterly disappointed at the girl’s performance on the pitch. They lacked strength and depth in the midfield, showed little imagination up front and the defence were non-existent. If they want to move up into the bigger leagues, they’re going to have to shift up a gear. It was a long drive just to watch that shite”.

He went on to state – “The only 2 of any note was the wee number 11 and Hammy’s daughter on the left wing, but she let herself down badly by missing a sitter during a corner kick when she accidentally kicked the ball behind the goal instead of to the lumbering forward standing unmarked in the goal mouth. Ah feel for her dad, he was absolutely black affronted in front of the other parents”
Shorthand further added, “The saving grace of the evening was Ollie, the new puppy, he’s a wee belter even if he did pish on ma loafers, and we managed a good curry down at the Spice Lounge”

When asked about the rule breaking, Shorthand confided “Aye well between you and me, I suspect they were flouting the offside rule a bit”. “In fact, I don’t think they actually observed it at all…”.

Quizzed about his thoughts on punishment for rule breaking Shorthand responded “I think the girls feel bad enough so probably no need, and as for Hammy’s daughter, she’s been grounded for the weekend and not allowed to play with the puppy for 2 days for showing her auld man up like that. Ah think that’s fair”.

At Holyrood, the 1st Minister was spitting teeth. Holding her head in her hands she is reported to say “First Margaret lets me doon after jumping on the train to Westminster when she wis rotten wi the Covid, now Shorthand goes gallavantin roond the country and into abodys hoose!!” “Him and his mate even had a fking curry and beer in flagrant disregard of ma rules”.
Ms Sturgeon then went on to say “Ah don’t really mind at losing Mags over this, she was a lump of wood onyways, but Shorthand, that’s a sair yin, ah pure fancy him, he’s a total studmuffin”.

Inside sources within Holyrood however are dubious about Ms Sturgeon’s chances of getting her hole off of Mr Shorthand as he was quoted recently saying “He wouldn’t ride her (Ms Sturgeon) into battle”.

The Health Minister Matt Hancock, questioned earlier had mixed reactions about the events of the past 2 days. “Yeah that’s great she (Margaret Ferrier) came down here with the Cov, I’ll away and get a quick test, there’s a high chance it’ll show positive and I’ll get a couple of weeks off on pay”. “Disappointed at Shorthand though, he’s not downloaded the NHS App, seems he’s intent on using his Wetherspoons one instead”.

Grampian Police were unwilling to comment on the matter, the local Police Chief admitting that his 2 best officers were tied up with a local outbreak of shoplifting at Mcolls convenience store in Buckie. “Aye it always happens when the weans go back to school, worse now, the wee buggers are all wearing masks”.

In a final twist to this story, Mr Shorthand was said to be feeling a little under the weather this morning, leading to speculation that he may have full blown Covid. However, sources have added, this may be down to the 4 pints of Tiger Beer and a single malt nightcap the previous evening.

165180 ▶▶ FiFiTrixabelle, replying to shorthand, 2, #563 of 1099 🔗

That has made me smile a lot on a dreich, miserable day!

165233 ▶▶ sceptickat, replying to shorthand, #564 of 1099 🔗

Great laugh, thank you!

165349 ▶▶ Graham, replying to shorthand, #565 of 1099 🔗

I am now smiling broadly despite the gloomy day and another day of being the only unmasked person in the Ludlow region. More bulletins please. Your public needs you.

165479 ▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to shorthand, #566 of 1099 🔗

Brill!

165119 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 28, #567 of 1099 🔗

Maybe this is simple enough for our illustrious leaders?

165122 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Awkward Git, #568 of 1099 🔗

I’ll try and print that off for my car.

165219 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Bella Donna, #569 of 1099 🔗

Me too.

165121 Bailie, replying to Bailie, 27, #570 of 1099 🔗

I have been a sceptic of this plandemic from Apr/may when I saw how the care home scandal was replicated western world wide, and the with/of covid. But today I struggle. Why do so many intelligent people, doctors, top pharmacists etc that I know personally not see through this. They are barricaded behind their masks and dismiss anything I say as a conspiracy. I’m not as academic as these people, not so clever, so am I, are we wrong? It seems so clear this is a scam to me but am I deluded?

165125 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Bailie, 13, #571 of 1099 🔗

None so blind as those who do not want to see.

165128 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Bailie, 12, #572 of 1099 🔗

Don’t make the mistake of thinking people in authority know so much more than we do. Common sense is not common. And there is not a room in Whitehall (or anywhere else) that has all the clever people sitting around deciding on things. That is why ultimately what’s happened is not an evil conspiracy, it’s just inept group think driven by the great ape pyramid we see everywhere. Social media and a desire to be popular (something lethal in Politics in my view) just make it all so much worse.

165134 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Bailie, 12, #573 of 1099 🔗

There are plenty of people on here who fit into your ‘intelligent people, doctors, top pharmacists etc’ who also cast it as a scam – while not dismissing it exists, just questioning whether it is bad enough to warrant the measures that supposedly smart sensible people would consider the optimal response. It does not necessarily rest of ‘intelligence’ though. It requires experience, common sense, and an ability to think rationally and independently to conclude this is overblown. Recall HM asking the assembled masses of eminent economists after the 2008 Financial Crisis ‘why did none of you see this coming?’ Great question. The Big Short has the answer.

165143 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #574 of 1099 🔗

Good points. Key line – “It requires experience, common sense, and an ability to think rationally and independently to conclude this is overblown”

I don’t recognise those qualities in this Government that’s for sure

165460 ▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Leemc23, #575 of 1099 🔗

They are stuck in ‘box thinking’ and will never see the wider picture.

165223 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #576 of 1099 🔗

One suspects that when Soros gets stuck into the £, we will see something similar here.

165142 ▶▶ Cruella, replying to Bailie, 4, #577 of 1099 🔗

I have a similar experience too. Don’t worry, they’re wrong. It’s not about theory or belief it’s about data and reality. All you’re doing is recognising both and coming to a conclusion. These people are complicit in this and will never acknowledge they’re wrong.

165145 ▶▶▶ Bailie, replying to Cruella, 8, #578 of 1099 🔗

I can’t believe I’m wrong but when there is no-one round you who agrees with you it’s hard not to think I’m the eejit. Thanks to this site and the folks on it, it is a refuge

165177 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Bailie, 17, #579 of 1099 🔗

Yes – just quietly stick with the data.

Be aware that there’s some crap stuff around on the sceptical side as well – but check out the sound data to bolster the confidence that you’re not the gullible oddball. There is plenty of good, sound evidence around – which is more than can be said in support of the official narrative.

My scepticism started quite soon into the ‘pandemic’ (aka – ‘it’s just fairly widespread’). The way in which the press conferences and the BBC were pushing numbers without context and horrible- but rare – extreme cases.

I smelled classic propaganda techniques, was suspicious and, since it was obvious that the media weren’t going to provide any meaningful information, I went back to the ONS mortality data, and started looking at the historical context.

Surprise, surprise – this wasn’t at all an ‘unprecedented’ event (in terms of mortality – just another of those high-ish infection seasons that generally we don’t notice unless we cop the bug.

The rest is a history of emerging evidence that simply confirmed this perception, and moderated the initial panic scenario that surrounded Covid. It all went in one direction, whilst the government went in the other.

I guess I was fortunate – John Lee is a neighbour, and we found we had this common interest and perception, coming at things from different perspectives. But convincing others is a different matter. But it does happen with persistent emphasis on the facts (straying into motives is dodgier territory – best left to emerge). In my circle, there has been a definite shift as the government narrative has become less and less plausible to an open intelligent mind.

Stick with it. You’re on the right side of reality!

165187 ▶▶▶▶▶ Adamb, replying to RickH, 9, #580 of 1099 🔗

Lucky man having John Lee as a neighbour. For me he’s been the absolute best throughout all this, never struck a duff note.

165196 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bailie, replying to RickH, 1, #581 of 1099 🔗

Good advice, thanks

165239 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to RickH, 4, #582 of 1099 🔗

Lucky you, having the most excellent Dr Lee as your neighbour.

I’m saddled with a creepy misfit who lives with his mother and who is entirely fixated on walking slowly past my living room window while talking in a loud voice to his equally batty ma.

Please thank Dr Lee for his tremendous articles, which are helping in my struggle not to fall prey to spontaneous sceptic combustion.

Feeling low today, so should apologise for protracted complaint.

165271 ▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Bailie, #583 of 1099 🔗

Well, never take an eejit with you on holiday. You’ll always find one when you get there

165162 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Bailie, 20, #584 of 1099 🔗

I was debating with a doctor friend on Facebook today regarding masks.

Her argument was that breathing through a bit of material that may have bacteria/fungi on it should not be a concern, because you can wash them just like I wash my boxers (assuming I do, indeed, wash my boxers).

I advised her that washing cloth masks increases pore size, further reducing already near-zero efficacy. She asked for a source, so I sent her a peer-reviewed study from the NCBI, at which point she went quiet.

I may lose a friend, but my next step is to query why she’s so interested in my boxers.

165220 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Tee Ell, 3, #585 of 1099 🔗

You seen it so often. When it’s a doctor I’ll admit I defer to the authority of their position. However, it’s people who have no real medical expertise that try and use the fact they work in the NHS to be the voice of science. Paramedics, nurses, NHS receptionists.

“I’m a Senior theatre nurse and let me tell you, masks save lives”

165226 ▶▶ AndrewNYC, replying to Bailie, 7, #586 of 1099 🔗

Bailie, it is a great question that you ask. I think there are 3 main answers. (I write from the U.S. but I think what I say is relevant to the U.K. also) First, the education system is awful and has been for many decades. We simply do not teach children science, history or how to properly think. Second, for at least the past three decades, nearly all of the really smart people in this world have gone into finance (and later tech), both detrimental to society (a discussion for another day). Unlike in earlier times, very smart people do not go in to science or medicine or journalism or politics because of the disparities of compensation. These fields (the ones driving this pandemic reaction) are populated by very mediocre minds. Lastly, the very few smart people that do exist in those professions (mostly older/wiser) have been forced into silence by social media and today’s cancel culture.

165268 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Bailie, 6, #587 of 1099 🔗

Two situations, one from 30 years or more ago and one from recent years:

The inquiry about Thiokol’s Solid Rocket Boosters on Challenger
The FAA’s report on the failings of Boeing with the implementation of the MCAS system on the 737 MAX.

In each case you will see that the boots on the ground had a realistic view of risks and were pushing for something to be done. The higher management on the other hand listened to the chiefs of engineering and analysts who said the risks were minimal.

Both resulted in unnecessary deaths and had a large impact on the industry.

The key is that in certain circles i.e. more management based, the higher up you go, you deal in approximations and models of reality as there is just too much data coming in. The trouble is that this is rife for confirmation bias and for anyone inclined to add lots of spin. Politics is prevalent over sense.

Not many higher academics and advisors have actually built anything, sold anything or had to be directly responsible for anything, even though they would like to say they are.

The best analogy is the one where a racing yacht once crashed into a jetty because all the quants/navigators were below deck looking at screens and readouts to steer the boat. No-one was actually on deck using the Mark 1 Eyeball.

165132 mjr, replying to mjr, 6, #588 of 1099 🔗

Things to come.

I commented yesterday about all the separate local news interviews BlowJo did yesterday. I wasnt able to find the Central TV one which i had seen.
Found it now. hidden away

At 1.20 he talks about “significant medical advances in the next few months … new tools… new weapons…in the fight against covid” Just before that at 1.10 he says “we fixed it before” . Really?

Anyway as people have mentioned Birmingham as one of the places the vaccine programme will start in the next couple months … which obviously is the main city in the Central TV region, is he warming us up?

165211 ▶▶ bucky99, replying to mjr, 1, #589 of 1099 🔗

I’m feeling anything but warm!

165212 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to mjr, #590 of 1099 🔗

Can’t fault that analysis.

165135 stewart, 8, #591 of 1099 🔗

The good news is that Trump will shake the coronavirus off just fine like the vast majority of people. In doing so he will show that the best course of action is just to let the virus run its course.

The bad news is it will make no difference. It will just be another addition to the mountain of evidence the government, media, morons in society will spin and conspire to ignore. The hysteria will roll on.

165144 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #593 of 1099 🔗

“the best way to predict the future is to create it”

165137 Bella Donna, 3, #594 of 1099 🔗

The John Bishop video is a great laugh.

165138 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 3, #595 of 1099 🔗

Weekly round up of useful / reliable English covid statistics:

1. Incidence
2. Care home outbreaks
3. Hospital & ICU admissions and deaths
4. Covid triage
5. Cases
6. Contact tracing
7. The Vallance-tracker
8. Mortality
9. Miscellaneous

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1312072849822285824.html

165146 ▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to Sarigan, 1, #596 of 1099 🔗

Blimey! Enough stats for anyone! But clear!

165264 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Sarigan, #597 of 1099 🔗

Great stats. Thank you for sharing (or doing them if you did them) 😊

165141 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 6, #598 of 1099 🔗

Apologies if posted before but interesting and important research into the dangers of masks:

Masks, false safety and real dangers, Part 1:
Friable mask particulate and lung vulnerability

165194 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Sarigan, 10, #599 of 1099 🔗

There has never been a single trial that shows masks to be effective for the public. We were told this by the corrupt WHO and our Govt back in March/April. However, this suddenly changed and the Govt leant on the WHO and the advice changed. No new trials and just a total u turn with NO scientific reason at all. Masks are a visible sign of compliance and the entire plan was for the public to police it with finger wagging and nastiness. Same as ‘shopping your neighbour’ This is deliberate and causes more division. Muzzled into compliance. The idea of ‘vaccine passports’ is terrifying. Basically, excluded from life if you don’t comply.

165307 ▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to Mutineer, 3, #600 of 1099 🔗

I would really like to know what the reason for the mask thingy is. I can’t see what it is going to achieve. I spend hours thinking about what is behind this fanatical non scientific mandate and why it is being adhered to by the vast majority of ordinary people, who when you start delving into it have no more belief in it than you do.

It’s doing my head in!

165398 ▶▶▶▶ ianric, replying to Alan P, 1, #601 of 1099 🔗

What is the point of a mask if you go into a shop where there are no other customers or the shop is large and customers are a long distance from each other.

165410 ▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Alan P, 4, #602 of 1099 🔗

The reason for masks is to be seen wearing a mask .

Humans are social animals. The more people who wear masks, the more everyone else feels that they should do the same. This is something that Apple understood very well when they made the iPod headphones white.

The government is naturally strongly in favour of masks because seeing masked people makes you anxious, and anxiety herds you into the welcoming arms of the tyrants who promise you security in exchange for your soul.

This is why going maskless is more than an individual act of courage. Showing your uncovered face is an intensely pro-social act that might be the only thing that keeps us from a long train ride that ends in a lime-filled hole.

165494 ▶▶▶▶▶ ianric, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #603 of 1099 🔗

If masks are compulsory it is a form of psychological terror because it makes people think things must be bad to make masks compulsory. If everyone is wearing masks it gives the impression we are in the middle of a deadly pandemic. There is an element of divide and rule. The government knows some will not wear masks and the government hopes the mask wearers will turn against them. Masks are designed to isolate people from each other, dehumanised and humiliate people.

166272 ▶▶▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Alan P, #604 of 1099 🔗

A mark of compliance. A visible one so that the public can point and shame you. I bet most would wear a kiss me quick hat and a squeaking red nose if requested. It’ll be tattoos on the forehead to show you’ve been vaccinated next.

165238 ▶▶ ianric, replying to Sarigan, 14, #605 of 1099 🔗

There are numerous questions raised regarding masks

  • If mask are effective at stopping the transmission of coronavirus, why were the UK governments so late in making them compulsory? They didn’t become compulsory in shops in England until the 24th of July and the 14th of September in Wales. Surely if we were in a genuine pandemic and there was clear evidence they were effective they would have been made compulsory much sooner. Some have argued governments were incompetent in not making masks compulsory sooner. Is this argument really incredible.
  • If masks are essential protection and not wearing a masks is a death wish, how do you explain what has happened in supermarkets which have opened throughout lockdown. Before masks were made compulsory large numbers of staff and customers in supermarkets had gone months without wearing masks and they have not been dropping like flies. To the best of my knowledge there has not been a single instance of a non mask wearer falling ill after being in a supermarket. I have been visiting shops for months without wearing a mask and not fallen ill. How do you explain this if masks are essential protection? Why don’t we hear from mask wearers about how non mask wearers are dying or becoming severely ill whilst non mask wearers are untouched. If this was the case, mask wearers would be shouting about this from the rooftops.
  • If mask wearers are leaving a highly dangerous and contagious virus in their masks, why are masks not treated as biohazards? Why don’t we see special bins for masks and instructions masks can be dangerous if not disposed of properly.
  • If masks are so effective at preventing the transmission of coronavirus why were draconian lockdown laws introduced eg placing people under house arrest? If masks were so effective surely these laws wouldn’t be necessary. Why are concerts, theatres and sporting events still not allowed if masks are so effective?
  • If masks are so effective why is that since masks were made compulsory why have we seen an increase in so called cases and lockdown restrictions being reintroduced?
  • If not wearing masks leads to an increase in coronavirus cases, why has Sweden a low number of coronavirus cases where masks are not widely used?
165275 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to ianric, 4, #606 of 1099 🔗

You are making the mistake of thinking policy responses to the virus are based on evidence and reason.

165317 ▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to ianric, 1, #607 of 1099 🔗

You raise some excellent points. I will use these in my arguments with the many mask fanatics that I cross paths with.

Thanks.

165344 ▶▶▶▶ ianric, replying to Alan P, #608 of 1099 🔗

Let me know what response you get from mask fanatics.

165147 Dan Clarke, 4, #609 of 1099 🔗

All the talk about covid, anyone think it should be about the controls the covid vaccine health ID will bring and covid is the smokescreen needed and why no one is listening to logic regarding the ‘disease’. Gates and the climate change lobby have long wanted to control the population many of who are now moving around the world in their millions

165148 Dale, replying to Dale, -12, #610 of 1099 🔗

Disappointed in Lockdown Skeptics. Sounds like something you’d read in the Daily Express. Did Boris’ travails have them wobbling on lockdowns ?

165151 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Dale, 1, #611 of 1099 🔗

Which bit?

165174 ▶▶▶ Dale, replying to Tee Ell, #612 of 1099 🔗

The bit about Trump.

165183 ▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Dale, 3, #613 of 1099 🔗

Would you rather Toby was less sympathetic or what? Very hard to discern what point you’re actually making.

165200 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Dale, 1, #614 of 1099 🔗

Have to agree actually, don’t think it matters who tests positive or not.

165149 Awkward Git, 3, #615 of 1099 🔗

This channel has some different ideas on what is going on:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfwHa6jGT78

https://www.youtube.com/user/X22Report/videos

Don’t follow or agree with him on a lot of what he says but I find it interesting anyway.

Always like to read/watch things I don’t agree with as I may learn something.

It’s boring if you just talk to people who have the same beliefs you do at all times an you end up in shit – look at politicians, experts, SJWs and luvvies..

165153 Mutineer, replying to Mutineer, 25, #616 of 1099 🔗

I had yet another meaningless reply from my MP today to my many emails. The added insult is that the envelope is marked ‘Black History Month’. My MP tells me we are ‘being protected for our own good’. My complaint that ALL medical treatment has ceased in my town is an explanation of how to ring my GP or NHS 111. I raised 2 children own my house, held down a senior NHS position and he has the nerve to explain how to use a phone! Perhaps he’d like to try it himself. It can take up to 3 days to get to the front of the phone queue and then you are supposed to explain your symptoms to a receptionist with no medical training and the IQ of a budgie, If she deems you to be ill you then wait up to 10 days for a GP (remember those?) to call you back.

165157 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mutineer, 9, #617 of 1099 🔗

I sense the anger. The standard of representation from these people is criminal

165298 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Mutineer, 2, #618 of 1099 🔗

being protected for our own good’

WTF??? What an insult to intelligence.

I am still waiting for a proper response to emails (short, polite, focused, unrambling) to my MP re. the Covid Act renewal.

One would do to cover the issues raised – I know that you can’t reasonably answer everything shoved at you in a short time by obsessives and the quota of nutters that you get.

165155 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 7, #619 of 1099 🔗

The Guardian thinks that coronavirus is now more dangerous than we were told at the beginning, not less.

Since the start of the pandemic, we’ve also learned that Covid-19 is more dangerous to more people than initially thought. Though it’s very unlikely to kill an otherwise healthy person in their 20s, the virus can cause prolonged and debilitating illness, leaving vital organs damaged even in asymptomatic cases. The risk to older students or those with underlying health conditions is greater still – as it is for many staff, family members of staff and students, and members of the wider community.

And are people really experiencing long term effects from asymptomatic infection? Imagine, for the sake of argument, one year ago visiting your GP because you think your current (random) symptoms have resulted from you having flu last month. Was it a bad bout? asks the doctor. Oh no, I didn’t actually have any symptoms of flu, but I’m sure it was flu and I’m definitely experiencing a post viral syndrome now…

Of course maybe people do suffer long term issues from asymptomatic flu. We wouldn’t know, since we’ve never tested the entire population with a flu PCR to see if they test positive, and then followed them up for months on end faithfully marking down every symptom or health issue they experience for the rest of their lives as being a result of “Long Flu”.

165176 ▶▶ DRW, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #620 of 1099 🔗

Surely organ damage would not be asymptomatic.

165199 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to DRW, 6, #621 of 1099 🔗

Asymptomatics are passing away in their thousands.

No symptoms except for death

165204 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #622 of 1099 🔗

Tragic, one life is too many

165234 ▶▶▶▶▶ Arkansas, replying to DRW, #623 of 1099 🔗

For some people, it apparently really is!

165191 ▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to A. Contrarian, 12, #624 of 1099 🔗

Ahh, the Guardian….don’t you just love it! I agree with UK Column’s very apt description of this odious rag as being:

‘UK deep state in-house news letter’

165215 ▶▶ annie, replying to A. Contrarian, 6, #625 of 1099 🔗

The Grauniad is clutching at straws here.

165291 ▶▶ RickH, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #626 of 1099 🔗

The story of the Groan is very, very sad. Worse than that of other (originally) broadsheets, which have all gone in the same direction.

Whatever tour political views, the Groan/Observer was/were an independent newspaper with a long pedigree and some very good journalists.

It is now just another organ of propaganda. It changed massively with the Scott Trust becoming a limited company, and Viner becoming editor.

Clearly it is a channel for establishment propaganda via the Cabinet Office – security service network – the stench of it reeks from a distance, aiming at a particular market. Most truly independent investigative journalists have gone, although a few decent commentators remain in order to keep up an illusion.

The role became obvious in its manufacturing of ‘antisemitism’ trash after Corbyn became leader of the Labour Party – as Peter Oborne, and other decent journalists not necessarily in sympathy with the man have noted.

Their shameful reporting ogf Covid is in exactly the same mode, using exactly the same techniques.

A quick survey of the background of most of their journalists reveal an uncanny uniformity of establishment networking.

165301 ▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to RickH, #627 of 1099 🔗

Why would the guardian become a pro-government mouthpiece? They (and by association the BBC) are a anti-conservatives as possible. I believe there are many people and organisations which are making much capital out of this erstwhile pandemic and the government response is just what they agree with. I don’t think they are colluding with HMG.

ThiS is purely serendipity.

165353 ▶▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Alan P, #628 of 1099 🔗

Dream on Alan! The Guardian is entirely government sponsored (see my latest post) as is the BBC. Have you ever heard of the saying: ‘He who pays the piper calls the tune?’

165350 ▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to RickH, #629 of 1099 🔗

Here’s something else to consider. In 2019 The ‘SUN’ had a daily circulation of: 1,266.000 copies and topped the list of print papers. The ‘Guardian’ came near the bottom with a circulation of 130,000. With a circulation as low as that it is self evident that it is making a huge loss (not helped by the fact that it gives a lot of these away for free with your shopping at Waitrose!). The Guardian is (and I kid you not) Britain’s equivalent of the old Soviet Union’s ‘Pravda’. It is totally government sponsored and, unfortunately, enjoys something of an on line presence through which the State pushes its various narratives on an unsuspecting, mainly middle class readership.

165159 Hubes, replying to Hubes, 15, #630 of 1099 🔗

So the big plan is. Release a mild virus, create hysteria and over exaggerate how deadly it is. get all or most countries to lockdown and destroy their economies. Destroy all sports and all other forms of entertainment. Bankrupt everybody. Get all politicians to do an unbelievable job of utter incompetence that the best actors in the world would be proud of.

Then release a mandatory vaccine that alters your DNA (if it doesn’t kill you) and turns you into a cyberman after you’ve had it where you have no emotions and do as you’re told 24/7 or you don’t get any food or water and the end result is what?? We’re all chipped and they can track us but nobody has any money to go or do anything, so there is nothing to really track. 99.99% of the population then live in poverty forever.

165168 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Hubes, 4, #631 of 1099 🔗

Also 5G tells everyone to eat cornflakes for breakfast each morning. Otherwise, good accurate post.

165172 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Tom Blackburn, #632 of 1099 🔗

Can we have sugar on them?

165178 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Sarigan, #633 of 1099 🔗

Of course. They are minging without.

165209 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Hubes, 7, #634 of 1099 🔗

Very glib.Whether it was deliberate or a accident it doesn’t matter.Government policy is now vaccination,with a rushed vaccine and a track and trace surveillance grid built on.Digital/identity passport or no normal life.
All for a average virus.

165160 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #635 of 1099 🔗

Does anyone have any experience of using the dummy T&T app and are able to explain the benefits of that over using the official app with Bluetooth turned off?

Cheers.

165175 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #636 of 1099 🔗

No experience but from what I gather, it mimics the screen showing that you have checked in but in no way does it communicate with any third parties. It is simply to satisfy the door wombles.

165188 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #637 of 1099 🔗

I successfully used it the other day. For me, the benefit is that it doesn’t count as another app download in the app store and I don’t have to worry about turning off bluetooth.

It’s also a good talking point when you’re with friends who haven’t cared to think about this sort of thing, to be honest for me that’s probably the main benefit. Respect to Willow who made it.

165197 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #638 of 1099 🔗

Where can I find this app please?

165208 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Ozzie, 1, #639 of 1099 🔗

Absolutely would love the details too 😊

165230 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Country Mumkin, #640 of 1099 🔗

It was in the comments section the other day. I could only find this:

https://twitter.com/WillowWyse/status/1311381942613544960?s=20

165231 ▶▶▶ Ghastly Oik, replying to Ozzie, 1, #641 of 1099 🔗
165246 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Ghastly Oik, #642 of 1099 🔗

Thanks GO

Do you have to type the venue name in on the official app does anyone know?

165248 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ghastly Oik, replying to Tom Blackburn, #643 of 1099 🔗

I’ve no idea. I haven’t tried it.

165249 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Ghastly Oik, #644 of 1099 🔗

No problem. For reasons I can’t go into, I need one that is an almost exact replica. Will probably do the official one with Bluetooth off. Cheers.

165270 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #645 of 1099 🔗

Yep. In my view it’s all about confidence and swagger.

If you make it look like you are proactively wanting to show it to them, the chance of them actually looking is about the same as their chance of dying from covid.

165396 ▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Tom Blackburn, #646 of 1099 🔗

Yes, type in the name of the venue and hit start

165258 ▶▶▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Ghastly Oik, #647 of 1099 🔗

Many thanks.

165261 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Ghastly Oik, #648 of 1099 🔗

Excellent. How clever

165161 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #649 of 1099 🔗

Daily Mail: Lana Del Rey angers fans as she wears a MESH face mask for a meet and greet.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8800959/Lana-Del-Rey-angers-fans-wears-MESH-face-mask-meet-greet.html

165166 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Tom Blackburn, 13, #650 of 1099 🔗

Brilliant! Not as if the blue surgical ones/cloth ones are much more effective anyway.

165179 ▶▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Poppy, 8, #651 of 1099 🔗

Just posted this, above (comment that I found elsewhere)

“Masks protect against fines ONLY!!!”

165192 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #652 of 1099 🔗

Some good comments below this article – filter on “top rated”.

165167 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 73, #653 of 1099 🔗

I do “bristle” somewhat at the belief that all liberals and socialists are lockdown fanatics and collaborators.
I have been a Socialist all my life and I still have the scars from the anti Vietnam war demonstrations from the 60’s.
I believe on a socialist system but I also believe in logic.
If the state tells me not to put my hand in the fire, that’s what I will do and if the state tells me not to give a loaded gun to a 6 year old to play with, then I won’t.
When the state tells me that if I wear a strip of cotton,keep 2 metres apart from everybody else and lock myself away as well as the rest of the stupid, ridiculous and pointless measures that they have introduced then no,I will not because it is totally illogical and goes against all measures of common sense.
I am as sceptical as the rest of my fellow sceptics, it’s not right versus left, it’s a common crusade to free our downtrodden citizens and to regain our freedom.

165171 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Fingerache Philip., 21, #654 of 1099 🔗

Agree, it is a common sense / individual thinker / humanity thang, nothing to do with silly notions of left and right.

165205 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Fingerache Philip., 6, #655 of 1099 🔗

I believe on a socialist system but I also believe in logic. If the state tells me not to put my hand in the fire, that’s what I will do and if the state tells me not to give a loaded gun to a 6 year old to play with, then I won’t.

So you are happy for the state to tell you not to do the bleedin’ obvious! A bit patronising of the state isn’t it? A bit ‘nanny-ish’.

What if the state, perfectly logically, extends their caring, compassionate policies and introduces inspectors who are allowed to enter your home because the neighbours suspect you of letting your six year old play with the gas cooker? Or bans all families with under-sixes from using gas cookers altogether?

165259 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Barney McGrew, 3, #656 of 1099 🔗

Fair comment.

165818 ▶▶▶▶ Lili, replying to Fingerache Philip., #657 of 1099 🔗

Fair response.

165342 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Barney McGrew, 3, #658 of 1099 🔗

I’m not at all sure of what you are getting at, I would guess you’re not much wiser about it yourself.

165523 ▶▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Rowan, #659 of 1099 🔗

That’s why I asked the question! Tell me about being left wing. (I don’t know that I’m on any wing, by the way). In my imagination, a belief in the state and that it is a benign force for good rather than just a public ‘utility’, automatically implies that, eventually, in my workplace I will have to attend training courses on not putting my hand in a flame. (Well, I’ve already had training courses on how to sit in a chair and how to pick up a box). Then, they will have surprise inspections of workplaces and how they train the workforce to respect the flame. And then they will take people’s children away whose parents don’t download the flame risk assessment app.

Tell me where I’m going wrong in this (honest) assessment.

165213 ▶▶ annie, replying to Fingerache Philip., 10, #660 of 1099 🔗

Heartily agree. Common sense and decency are not the
prerogative of left, right, centre, green or anything else.

165224 ▶▶ Melangell, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #661 of 1099 🔗

Well said!

165485 ▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #662 of 1099 🔗

Great post .

165173 Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 27, #663 of 1099 🔗

Just come across this comment elsewhere:

“Masks protect against fines ONLY!!!”

165182 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Ozzie, 14, #664 of 1099 🔗

…and judgement 😰

165216 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Ozzie, 7, #665 of 1099 🔗

Apparently they’re good for pepper spray on a train…Ah, the bracing smell of British Values!

165195 BeBopRockSteady, 3, #666 of 1099 🔗

False Positives and CT Cycles.

Even 35CT may be a pointless exercise. This is close to criminal.

https://twitter.com/andrewbostom/status/1312007699073294336

165210 David McCluskey, replying to David McCluskey, 17, #667 of 1099 🔗

As Sir Desmond Swayne called for in his recent, brilliant, unalloyed excoriation of Johnston and his cabal, Vallance (and Witty) should have been summarily dismissed after the deliberate use by Vallance of a graph of an implausible exponential curve to represent the rate of future infections. He did this to frighten and terrorise the population, or as Sir Desmond cleverly put it quoting the words of Dickens’ Fat Boy (how deliciously appropriate), “I wants to make yer flesh creep!”

Dismissal would have been a very leniet sentence when one reflects that the one handed down on James Joyce (aka “Lord Haw Haw”) 70-odd years ago for attempting to frighten and terrorise the British population was that he be “Hanged by the neck until you are dead”, a penalty that was carried out in Wandsworth Prison in 1946.

165222 ▶▶ David McCluskey, replying to David McCluskey, #668 of 1099 🔗

William!

165266 ▶▶ DRW, replying to David McCluskey, #669 of 1099 🔗

I now expect that graph will be simply memory-holed.

165444 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to DRW, 1, #670 of 1099 🔗

We must see to it that it is not!

165310 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to David McCluskey, 5, #671 of 1099 🔗

“Terrorist”: a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

165218 chris, replying to chris, 10, #672 of 1099 🔗

Job losses. economy tanked. cancers unreated, children’s education damaged but all Boris can do is Waffle. The state of the country is woeful but all Boris can do is say sorry, like its not his fault.

https://www.itv.com/news/granada/2020-10-02/getting-r-number-below-one-key-to-lifting-north-west-restrictions-prime-minister-tells-itv-news

165330 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to chris, 1, #673 of 1099 🔗

Nothing is, was or ever will be his fault.
He is genetically unable to admit a mistake or take on responsibility for his actions.
Although it’s a bit of a stretch and probably not too clever in the long run to argue that it’s ‘our’ fault instead.

165221 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 8, #674 of 1099 🔗

If you are not Ireland you may not have heard of Prof Luke O’Neill, mask and vaccine zealot, invested personally in big pharma, regular guest on Irish TV and radio. He is the co-owner of a biotech firm ‘sitryx’ and he wants ALL to wear masks until his funding partners GSK start selling a vaccine. He is promoting social exclusion for the un-vaccinated. Anyway, this gobshite has written a book, published today. Called “Never mind the Bollocks – Here’s The Science” it may be useful in a couple of months when loo paper is in short supply. I’ve fixed the title page for him.

165306 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to godowneasy, 5, #675 of 1099 🔗

Please don’t advertise this book

165311 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to godowneasy, 9, #676 of 1099 🔗

Drosten&co want us to continue to wear masks even if there is a vaccine.
It is therefore high time we stop playing by their rules.
We must sue against any mandatory masking and vaccinations on the grounds of them being just medical experiments, which contravene against the Nuremverg code’s No1 rule: participation must be voluntary, no discrimation of any kind is permissible if one does not
participate!!!!!
All the politicians and ‘scientists’ advocating mandatoriness here must be held personally accountable for any damage and death, and they must be seen and reported upon in the same breath and light as a certain Dr. Josef Mengele.
Although even he probably wouldn’t have masked all children.

165384 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Jay Berger, 2, #677 of 1099 🔗

In January this year Drosten said masks are useless.

165227 Basics, #678 of 1099 🔗

Here’s the corrected for errors image of CDC data showing infection fatalities – survival rates. A few LSs have mentioned the earlier image as helpful. This is the same data with errors corrected.

https://twitter.com/21WIRE/status/1312305005916049408?s=20

165228 Cheezilla, 10, #679 of 1099 🔗

Interesting comment to Diana Kimpton’s article, by Richard Whitcombe!

PCR is a very sensitive technique. Its based on repeated cycles of amplification. Its so sensitive we can use it to extract dinosaur DNA from fossilised bones if run at a high enough cycle.
If you had a pet cat that died 6 years ago, swab your carpet, run a PCR high cycle test and it’ll tell you that you have cat.

165242 Basics, replying to Basics, 5, #680 of 1099 🔗

Here’s the BBC follow up to elwoods speech to parliament where he stated we need to start thinking about our forth coming segregated society.

For the pedantic LSs segregated society is not what elwood said, but it is what he spoke to. A country where vaccined are liberated and none vaccined remain under restrictions.

Segregtion is the correct word.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54371559

165262 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Basics, 4, #681 of 1099 🔗

Segregated society is that the same as apartheid?

165284 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Steve Hayes, 8, #682 of 1099 🔗

He is a sick man

165289 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Basics, 6, #683 of 1099 🔗

He can F. O.

165322 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Basics, 5, #684 of 1099 🔗

I’m going to stick my neck out here and suggest that there isn’t going to be a vaccine.

165403 ▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to Nick Rose, #685 of 1099 🔗

Why do you think that and if so, how do you think the govt will back out of that one? (Not being rude or arguing with you, genuinely just curious!)

165443 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Nick Rose, #686 of 1099 🔗

On what do you base that, given the BBC article about a planned roll-out of ‘Ambush’ and ‘Triumph’ vaccines in Birmingham?
Together with what BJ said in interviews yesterday?

165256 PD, replying to PD, 4, #687 of 1099 🔗

Can anybody verify the validity of this video?
Dr Fullmich is allegedly the lawyer who led the ‘dieselgate’ class action suit against Volkswagen.
Should we be optimistic?

DR. REINER FULLMICH STARTING LITIGATION ON VALIDITY OF PCR TEST

https://www.bitchute.com/video/KJ7BpPbaRc37/?fbclid=IwAR3-hXVZewKnYPpVgedBaKK6dLIqJrpVWf5srwEWXQubLie3BI5fhOylfqo

165383 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to PD, #688 of 1099 🔗

There is a very good video, sadly only in German, done by Langemann Medien channel on YT.
The class action he is involved in will take a very long time, and applies to USA or Canada, but it would set a precedent. And in the course of evidence gathering, they have some pretty good evidence against Drosten. Basically the class action is against him.

165267 Janice21, replying to Janice21, 1, #690 of 1099 🔗

My 18 month old has developed a bit of a cough (no other symptoms apart from a runny nose, she is in great form otherwise) and I am hoping it goes away by the time she is back at daycare on Tuesday, otherwise am fearful they will want us to get her tested in order to attend. Also supposed to be going to a museum tomorrow afternoon with her older brother and worried of them not allowing us in if she coughs in front of them! Any advice?

165285 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Janice21, 6, #691 of 1099 🔗

As it is said it doesn’t affect children I wouldnt be so concerned about it. Children are always getting sniffles and colds. I’d be concerned about the Covid Fascists and very wary of them trying to shove a foreign object up the child’s nose.

165293 ▶▶▶ Janice21, replying to Bella Donna, #692 of 1099 🔗

Thanks, I dont believe she has Covid at all and its highly likely a common cold….which I am actually glad of as helps her immune system. I think the daycare has a Covid policy which I must check but I believe if they have any symptoms at all they need to be tested and proved negative so they can return….I really dont want to put her through the test! Though her daycare does seem fairly laid back and allowed her and her brother to go with runny noses (some places arent even allowing kids to go if thats all they have!)

165308 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Janice21, #693 of 1099 🔗

Tissue salts no3 (Calc Sulph) is very good for these coughs

165316 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Janice21, 4, #694 of 1099 🔗

Under 5’s cannot be tested. I wouldn’t attempt to swab an infants nose or throat, the risk of injury is too high.

165332 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Janice21, #695 of 1099 🔗

Vitamin C drink few times a day for the weekend- good powders out there – with honey and blackcurrant.

Better than lemsip.

165366 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Janice21, 1, #696 of 1099 🔗

Alternating dozes of Calpol and Nurofen for a couple of days should do the trick. Piriton stops coughs – great before they go to bed if they have mucous. Runny nose means she almost certainly does not have covid.

165379 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Janice21, 1, #697 of 1099 🔗

Does she like honey? Warm milk with honey does wonders for calming the upper respiratory tract.

165269 Jody, replying to Jody, 28, #698 of 1099 🔗

Further disturbing trends are evident here in South-East France.

Within a couple of days of the British authorities announcing the forced shutting of pubs at 10pm, the French followed suit in most of their major cities, and a variety of “social distancing” regulations, in bars, are rigorously enforced.

A favourite Friday-teatime haunt of mine has been at the forefront in signalling its “Covid-compliance”. Having frequented this place for several years without incident, I have been upbraided and humiliated by the staff on a number of occasions over the past few weeks, for inadvertently failing to comply with the slew of incomprehensible restrictions.

As far as I can make-out, any action or movement that does not involve sitting down at a specified table must be performed with a face covering, and the action or movement must have a particular purpose, such as going to the toilet or to the bar. There can be no “hanging around”, even with a mask on. So when, out of politeness, I stood slightly away from a couple of friends I was sharing a table with, to receive a phone call, I was pounced on by a member of staff and told to “sit down, at once!”

On another occasion, I had just finished lunch with my six year-old daughter, and she asked to be allowed to go and play on the public square, at the front of the pub, with a group of other children. I told her that was fine, so I attached my mask, picked-up my drink, and followed her out, in order to sit on one of the pub’s outside benches where I could keep an eye on her. This action provoked a howl of outrage from a passing member of staff, who frogmarched me back to my original table: “This is your assigned table! You may not move with your drink, and you must ask to be re-assigned to another table when you have finished it.”

Yesterday teatime, the situation moved up a level. When I arrived at the bar with my friend, we were confronted, at the door, by a barmaid sporting a red armband, emblazoned with the words “Référent COVID” (see picture below). Now, “référent” is one of those French words, as I understand it, that does not have a direct English equivalent. My French friend advises me that the English word “informant” would be a reasonable translation.

I allowed myself to imagine some point in the not too distant future, when I would be dragged from the bar for a minor infraction of the rules, and subjected to some form of ritual public humiliation, à la Mao’s Cultural Revolution: pushed by the head onto my knees, and slapped about the face and yelled at by the red-armbanded barmaid in front of a conformist mob.

Anyway, we were directed to a table and given no choice in the matter. Socialising with others was an impossibility, as it would, by its very nature, involve violating one of the rules I have described above. But this state of affairs did give me the opportunity to observe and to reflect.

The first thing that occurred to me is that the spontaneity has gone out of life; everything one does has to be considered beforehand. So I found myself planning a trip to the toilet: finish drink, attach mask, go to toilet, proceed to bar to request drinks to be brought to table, etc, etc, and always the nagging fear that one might be in breach of some regulation or other.

The second thing that became apparent is that this new way of behaving has become “normal” for some people. This particular bar attracts a great many university students, so these young adults have only really been out drinking independently for a period of months; I watched them happily chatting-away at their allocated tables, and their obedient masking-up to go directly to the bar or to the bogs. Having already led “snowflake” lives before the “pandemic”, having already been trained in what to think and how to behave, none of this is particularly strange or onerous to them.

The third thing is the attitude of the management and the staff of the establishment. Now, I should say that they are very nice people, but it is impossible not to detect their glee at the change in the balance of power. Traditionally, pubs have been somewhat boisterous and anarchic places (and none the worse for that, in my opinion) and not always, perhaps, the easiest places to work in. The Covid-19 regulations have instigated a new way of working, which has increased the authority of bar staff and management in relation to customers. Even in the highly unlikely event of the restrictions being lifted any time soon, it’s hard to see pub managements going back to how things were before; they’ve seen the future, and I think they rather like it (with the proviso that they can get back to normal opening hours).

Please keep up the good fight, everyone!

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165283 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to Jody, 19, #699 of 1099 🔗

Nice write up (and chilling picture) but vote with your feet and stop going. Why would you pay to treated like that?

165309 ▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to Jody, 4, #700 of 1099 🔗

They should be called Milice Covid

165315 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Jody, 7, #701 of 1099 🔗

The barman isn’t wearing his mask correctly. Just sayin’.

165367 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Jody, 6, #702 of 1099 🔗

Please tell us you won’t let them treat you like this again. Vote with your feet and refuse to go back, all the better if you tell them why.

165373 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Jody, 8, #703 of 1099 🔗

Red armbands… seriously?!
I am surprised you are still allowed to order drinks at the bar.
I was very interested in your observation that the staff seem to be “enjoying” the power they have now.
Having to enforce all these silly rules is one reason why I heavy heartedly had to leave hospitality a week ago. I explained to my management this is not customer service or hospitality and not why I chose a career in this business.

165387 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Jody, 5, #704 of 1099 🔗

I hope one day these people can look back and think what an arsehole I was back then, then again they will be telling their grandchildren ‘i was a covid marshall and saved humanity’

165407 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Jody, 4, #705 of 1099 🔗

Return of the Vichy by the sounds of things. At least it should make it easier when we have to round them all up.

165441 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Jody, #706 of 1099 🔗

Am I right in thinking the French have also introduced the ‘rule of 6’ since the UK did?

165474 ▶▶ annie, replying to Jody, 2, #707 of 1099 🔗

Their grandparents were doubtless Nazi collaborators.

165489 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to annie, #708 of 1099 🔗

You took the words right out of my mouth.We know what happened to a lot of them in the end don’t we ?

165518 ▶▶ Jane in France, replying to Jody, #709 of 1099 🔗

I don’t know if you know the site covidinfos.net which provides articles about the fightback in France and links to all Didier Raoult’s videos.

165527 ▶▶ Sue, replying to Jody, #710 of 1099 🔗

Good write up and observations. Makes me feel slightly better that we’re not the only ones suffering these restrictions.

165272 wendyk, 17, #711 of 1099 🔗

Spare a thought for the hapless Morrison’s employee whom I spotted while on my 7am visit today: just in front of me a seriously obese lady pushed a trolley laden with stuff for the restaurant.

Not only was she massively overweight, but her entire face was enclosed by one of the ghastly perspex space helmets.

My thoughts: this unfortunate employee is not only at risk because of her size, but also because being confined behind a plastic visor is stressful and positively inimical

Added to this, she’s probably working for the minimum wage.

Honestly, these so called ‘safety ‘ procedures might just as well have been dreamed up some mad sadistic Dr Fu Manchu figure.

Imagine having to work in such conditions.

165312 ▶▶ RickH, replying to 6097 Smith W, #713 of 1099 🔗

Trouble is that Bower is a notorious fable-maker himself. About as reliable as Ferguson as an authority.

165440 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to 6097 Smith W, 3, #714 of 1099 🔗

They didn’t panic. They made a tactical political decision. And in tactical terms it has been very successful. Starmer has been reduced to Johnson’s gimp, and the media can’t criticise because they pushed for lockdown. It’s genius. Except it has killed tens of thousands and fucked the country.

It was not panic. Don’t let the bastards off with that.

165274 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 7, #715 of 1099 🔗

I apologise if this has been seen before but it’s far too important to be ignored. It should be shared wherever possible. Goodness knows what medical problems people are storing up, but perhaps that is the governments intention.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/344360577_Masks_false_safety_and_real_dangers_Part_1_Friable_mask_particulate_and_lung_vulnerability

165286 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Bella Donna, 9, #716 of 1099 🔗

Apparently more cases of pleurisy due to mask wearing

165295 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Janice21, 5, #717 of 1099 🔗

I heard a doctor say he had seen a case of impetigo! Now that’s a medical condition I hadn’t heard in years!

165296 ▶▶▶▶ Janice21, replying to Bella Donna, 6, #718 of 1099 🔗

Oh yes my friend is a health visitor in Galway and due to all the PPE she has had to wear (masking especially) she developed impetigo around her chin!

165325 ▶▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Bella Donna, #719 of 1099 🔗

Good old scrumpox

165297 ▶▶ Margaret, replying to Bella Donna, 7, #720 of 1099 🔗

This should be read by every mask zealot.

I posted below that my ex d-i-l is in hospital with pneumonia. She has been working from home throughout and will no doubt wear a cloth mask at every opportunity as she is terrified of catching Covid.

It only takes small fragments or fibres to get into the lungs to cause inflammation there, not to mention all the bacteria and mold found on dirty masks.

165331 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Margaret, 3, #721 of 1099 🔗

So shortly we can expect to see a return of the sort lung conditions which formerly afflicted miners and masons.

What an irony: the mask wearing directive, ostensibly to lessen the spread of a respiratory virus, could ultimately lead to reduced lung function caused by involuntary fragment inhalation.

You couldn’t make this up!

165471 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to wendyk, 1, #722 of 1099 🔗

In Wales at the start of the bollox, it was ‘vulnerable’ ex-miners from the Valleys who caused most concern.
Ironic, ain’t it.

BTW, warning letters were sent to the said vulnerable miners, advising them to run and hide. The letters were sent to the wrong addresses.
A second batch of letters was then sent.
To the wrong addresses.

165302 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Bella Donna, 5, #723 of 1099 🔗

If you cut the cotton-wool filter part out of those blue paper masks, all that remains is the outer covering, which is close to being see-through and also allows more airflow.

The resulting mask is still a UK-legal face covering because the regulations only say that your nose and mouth must be covered and do not stipulate what that covering should be.

Thus the average person who just wants a quiet life can quickly create themselves a legally-compliant mask that is obviously a piss-take because you see right through it.

If this small act of rebellion could be backed by the idea that an “abbreviated mask” reduces the ingestion of dangerous fibres, then so much the better.

165321 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Mabel Cow, 12, #724 of 1099 🔗

The law just says that it must be worn.

Definition of to wear is “to bear on one’s person”.

Nowhere in the legislation does it say it must be worn across the nose an mouth, that is only on the definition of what a face covering is.

So having it on your arm is classified as wearing it.

Splitting hairs I know but you have to know (and follow) the letter of the law, not the spirit.

That’s what lawyers and judges work to – the letter of the law – which is why loopholes occur and people get off using them.

165371 ▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #725 of 1099 🔗

From section 2 of The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Wearing of Face Coverings in a Relevant Place) (England) Regulations 2020 :

  • “face covering” means a covering of any type which covers a person’s nose and mouth

I interpret the words of any type to mean that the mask can be made of anything that could be considered “to cover”, hence my feeling that an “abbreviated mask” with all of the filtering removed would be 100% compliant with the wording of the regulations.

165728 ▶▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Mabel Cow, #726 of 1099 🔗

the mask can be made of anything that could be considered “to cover” – yes. Hence the guy in Manchester (? I think it was) a couple of weeks ago, who was walking around with a snake covering. Not a mask, a literal snake wrapped around his head area, covering his lower face! 🙂

165335 ▶▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Mabel Cow, 4, #727 of 1099 🔗

As well, some well placed cuts in places will also increase air flow and the covering will still be legal. However better not to wear one – surely risk of health complications is a valid exemption, although I understand people’s reticence with the righteous telling people off for non-compliance.

nomasks.info

165463 ▶▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Ozzie, #728 of 1099 🔗

For those who pressure to comply I recommend a midge net. It hangs loosely from the face, (over a hat if necessary) while covering the nose and mouth from a distance of an inch or two. It’s made of mesh which is fine enough to keep the midgies at bay, but won’t hamper breathing or risk inhalation of dangerous micro-fibres.

Available from all good fishing tackle suppliers.

165464 ▶▶▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to charleyfarley, #729 of 1099 🔗

“feel pressure . . “

165356 ▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Mabel Cow, 4, #730 of 1099 🔗

Think I’ll make one out of a net bag that oranges come in!! 🤣

165503 ▶▶▶▶ Sue, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, #731 of 1099 🔗

yes i thought that also ha! 🙂 How about an Aussie mozzie hat the ones with corks hanging down – may not come within the definition but would be funny!! 🙂

165304 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #732 of 1099 🔗

They are also great for developing Alzheimers, according to Griesz-Brisson and logic.
I refrain from making the obvious sarcastic joke on that here.

165281 TJN, replying to TJN, 33, #733 of 1099 🔗

Got another cold. Doubtless my fault for never wearing a muzzle. Or more likely a revisit from the last cold I had about three weeks ago – a sort of ‘long rhinovirus’, or even ‘long-coronavirus’.

Blowing a hooley outside and raining. So fire lit, lemsip, tot of single malt, and listening to Ms Pearson and Mr Halligan on Planet Normal interviewing Ivor Cummins a few days ago.

One day we’ll all look back on this in the warm afterglow of nostalgia, and say what a great time we had. And of course, everyone will be a sceptic then, and all will say how they never believed a word of it and never wore a muzzle.

165292 ▶▶ IanE, replying to TJN, 7, #734 of 1099 🔗

Of course we will then all be chewing on a dry crust of bread amongst the ruins.

165327 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to IanE, 5, #735 of 1099 🔗

Yes, but we will be able to say I told you so.

165323 ▶▶ PhilipF, replying to TJN, 7, #736 of 1099 🔗

We mustn’t forget who the Pétains and collaborators were.

165328 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to PhilipF, 5, #737 of 1099 🔗

Pretty well everyone as far as I can tell.

165574 ▶▶▶ James Hargrave, replying to PhilipF, #738 of 1099 🔗

Do not traduce P é tain. He had far more moral depth than the current crew.

165348 ▶▶ StevieH, replying to TJN, 2, #739 of 1099 🔗

Me too – just over 3 weeks ago – started with lots of sneezing and a very runny nose. Changed to sore throat and thick mucus. Seemed to get better, then came back and wouldn’t go away – have been fine for 2 days now – hope it’s gone.

165516 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to StevieH, 1, #740 of 1099 🔗

Sure you weren’t wearing a mask? A good way of reinfecting oneself.

165360 ▶▶ DRW, replying to TJN, 1, #741 of 1099 🔗

When I was in sixth form I caught a cold and was ill in bed for a few days. I went back in after feeling slightly better but the rona or rhino or whatever came back for round 2 and got ill again!

165381 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to DRW, 6, #742 of 1099 🔗

In this hysteria about Covid, it seems often forgotten how nasty colds can be. Although many viruses are mild, some are vicious and long-lasting.

… and that’s before we get to the possible dire effects of influenza.

165422 ▶▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to RickH, 1, #743 of 1099 🔗

Elderberry tincture is great for colds and flu and shortens the duration.

165429 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Cheshirecatslave, #744 of 1099 🔗

Indeed, elderberry being very high in Vit C I believe, as are most of the rasps / brambles / autumn berries.

165509 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Nessimmersion, #745 of 1099 🔗

Mix of lemsips, cask-strength whisky, and Benelin cough mixture (the drowsy stuff) for me.

165536 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to TJN, #746 of 1099 🔗

I find sloe gin does the trick 🤧

165513 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to DRW, #747 of 1099 🔗

I often get repeats, and I’m living proof you don’t get immune to them, as I must have had hundreds over my life.

165290 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 16, #748 of 1099 🔗

Daily Express: Jeremy Corbyn’s brother throws his weight behind TRUMP in US election risking family feud.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1343264/Jeremy-Corbyn-news-Piers-Corbyn-Donald-Trump-US-presidential-election-2020-latest

165294 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Tom Blackburn, 9, #749 of 1099 🔗

Good man!

165303 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Tom Blackburn, -10, #750 of 1099 🔗

I had a good laugh at the spoiled, narcissistic, overgrown, orange infant who failed at every enterprise that he tried, despite an enormous silver feeding spoon in his gob, being described as ‘a man of the people’!!! 🙂

You couldn’t make it up. Boris’s transatlantic sibling.

165313 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to RickH, 6, #751 of 1099 🔗

is jeremy corbyn orange… i thought he was puce

165338 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to mjr, -14, #752 of 1099 🔗

Oooh : mjr loves his little Trumpie! (aka ‘fart’) 🙂

Sorry I offended – I was just summarizing the historical record.

165361 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nottingham69, replying to RickH, 3, #753 of 1099 🔗

Not a great summary to be fair. A scan of Trump’s assets shows he has done ok. As the saying he has done no work, has made no mitakes.

165434 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to Nottingham69, 9, #754 of 1099 🔗

He has lots of money, his own TV series, an attractive younger wife and is also President of The United States of America. What planet would someone be living on to think of that as “failure”.

165486 ▶▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to RickH, #755 of 1099 🔗

no i dont like Trump.. but your description ” spoiled, narcissistic, overgrown, orange infant who failed at every enterprise that he tried, despite an enormous silver feeding spoon in his gob, being described as ‘a man of the people’!!” equally applies to jeremy corbyn (apart from the orange bit) who was also mentioned in the previous comment . i dont like corbyn either

165340 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #756 of 1099 🔗

I’d love to be a fly on the wall for that row, lol.

165397 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #757 of 1099 🔗

I’m not surprised. I watch an Alan Jones piece on Sky News Australia a few weeks back. He quoted some of what Trump had said at the WEF in Davos. He’s clearly against their agenda too, so Piers would support him for that alone I’m sure.

165493 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Tom Blackburn, #758 of 1099 🔗

I want see the photo of that Corbyn dinner party!

165300 Jay Berger, 1, #759 of 1099 🔗

A good analysis of the treasons committed by Germany’s SPD, very much equivalent to those of the Labour party, worth running through the translator for them…
https://www.reitschuster.de/post/zutiefst-antifreiheitlich-und-antidemokratisch/

165319 PhilipF, replying to PhilipF, 11, #760 of 1099 🔗

Good piece by Mathew Parris in The Times today about the BBC’s slavish following of the government/Imperial model lockdown line (see image)

Richard Madeley good again in the Express…
https://www.express.co.uk/comment/columnists/richard-and-judy/1343162/boris-johnson-coronavirus-lockdown-covid-cases-rising

Maajid Nawaz did a decent sceptical introductory monologue on his LBC show today (just after 1pm news). Don’t have link yet . Calls were the usual rinse and repeat pro-lockdown boilerplate.

165333 ▶▶ NickR, replying to PhilipF, 9, #761 of 1099 🔗

I’m a bit of a Matthew Parris fan but until now he’s been a bit of a cheerleader for Lockdown’s & compliance. There’s quite a few coming late to the party. Lots of my friends have started making sceptical noises, sharing sceptical articles & all making out they were sceptical all along….. they weren’t, they’re all welcome but I’d like to see a little personal acceptance of their complicity until now.

165339 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to NickR, 9, #762 of 1099 🔗

Know where you’re coming from. Speaking for myself, so long as they come to the party it’s enough for me!!

165390 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #763 of 1099 🔗

Yep, no questions asked!

165345 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to NickR, 6, #764 of 1099 🔗

He’s a devious little shite from personal experience.

165492 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to NickR, 1, #765 of 1099 🔗

Give them all a few months and they’ll finally realise that the lockdowns and measures were never called for, even back in the peak. Then we can say..told you so.
Until then, I welcome everyone over from the dark side.

165336 ▶▶ RickH, replying to PhilipF, 7, #766 of 1099 🔗

It’s quite a good piece – but he’s a bit too generous. Science is not ‘divided’. The majority of good evidence has confirmed the non-hysterical, sceptical view – albeit with a spectrum of emphasis.

The division, such as it is, is in the area of modelling and speculation – i.e those who have been constantly proven wrong are still peddling the same Mystic Meg stuff.

165337 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to RickH, #767 of 1099 🔗

Data trumps theory!

165365 ▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #768 of 1099 🔗

“It doesn’t matter how beautiful your theory is, it doesn’t matter how smart you are. If it doesn’t agree with experiment, it’s wrong.” — Richard P. Feynman

165375 ▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #769 of 1099 🔗

No! The Science (TM) cannot be falsified!

165341 Basics, 3, #770 of 1099 🔗

10.26 mins of video NHS employees and other health professionals everywhere may like to watch.

‘Medical doctors and lawyers allied against global malfeasance: in conversation with Dr Heiko Schöning

https://youtu.be/swKKi0XBeXs

Dr Heiko Schöning says, “I just played my part.” ” I think it is a sense of responsibility…”.

165343 StevieH, replying to StevieH, 23, #771 of 1099 🔗

Very disheartening conversation at the ATM today:

Me: When is all this nonsense going to end, eh?

Him: It’s getting worse!

Me: Yeah, the nonsense is getting far worse.

Him: NO! THE VIRUS!! IT’S GETTING WORSE

We are all phucked.

165376 ▶▶ RickH, replying to StevieH, 7, #772 of 1099 🔗

… but really interesting in terms of how this is being deliberately shaped to brainwash the gullible.

165389 ▶▶ annie, replying to StevieH, 5, #773 of 1099 🔗

‘That man has put his umbrella up, which will make it rain harder.’

165351 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 44, #774 of 1099 🔗

Just back in from getting some shopping in, it was at a large Sainsbury’s store.
Seeing All of the gullible twats inside with their masks on. I expected to be challenged for not wearing one.
Yet to my surprise, not a single person said anything & none of the employees challenged me on not wearing one.

Which is a good result. I am still waiting to be challenged on why I’m not wearing a face nappy when shopping, but it’s not happened yet.

So, a good day. Just all we need is more people to just get a grip & to stop wearing the stupid thing’s.

165386 ▶▶ annie, replying to AnotherSceptic, 14, #775 of 1099 🔗

Every visible face is a blow in the nappy for our Fascist oppressors.

165428 ▶▶ stevie119, replying to AnotherSceptic, 15, #776 of 1099 🔗

I have been in 5 shops today – maskless, and nobody said a word.

165475 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to stevie119, 14, #777 of 1099 🔗

I am ready for the challenge when & if it comes.
I have not wore & will not wear one ever & not once have I been challenged so far (yet)
However,on reading about people on here & hearing of people (my teenage nephew at his school) who are being & have been challenged on why they are not wearing a mask, it is bound to happen at some point I guess.
To which they will promptly be told to fuck off, I am not even going to say that I’m exempt from wearing one, as I’m not, I am just not wearing one at all.

As we all know on here, this is just a total & utter compliance shit show now & all the stupid brainwashed sheeple are following it blindly.
Twats.

165352 Banjones, 5, #778 of 1099 🔗

I notice that the petitions (link on the home page) re the wearing of muzzles and also the one about the making vaccine mandatory
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/323442
are growing suspiciously slowly.
(It’s worth reading the government’s reply at 10,000 signatures to the vaccine one. Talk about patronising twattle. And sinister Doublespeak to boot.)

165355 NickR, replying to NickR, 6, #779 of 1099 🔗

Just looking at the summary publication, see link:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/923101/PHE_Remote_Health_Advice_Weekly_Bulletin_2020_Week_39.pdf
It’s just priceless. There was a big spike in calls to 111 on schools return week driven massivley by concerns for 5-14 year olds, worried mum calling coz the kid’s come home from school with a sniffle.
Attached is the summary sheet. All categories are decreasing but colds and flu are decreasing from above the trend line, so despite masks, social distancing etc, more colds & flu than normal.

165374 ▶▶ RickH, replying to NickR, 4, #780 of 1099 🔗

Interesting, Nick.

Tends to support the idea of psychological shaping by the narrative.

‘Seek and ye shall find. Get scared shitless, and you’ll seek harder.’

165382 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to NickR, 1, #781 of 1099 🔗

So no trend for the actual indicative symptoms – loss of taste or smell

165385 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to stefarm, 4, #782 of 1099 🔗

I always lose my sense of taste and smell after a heavy cold. Comes back after a few days.

165395 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to stefarm, 1, #783 of 1099 🔗

Six months on, my senses of smell and taste have hardly come back at all.

Has anyone personally (or anyone they know) suffered a lasting lost of taste and smell from any illness? I’m wondering if I should be expecting a permanent loss.

165412 ▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Mabel Cow, 5, #784 of 1099 🔗

Loss of taste and smell is a common symptom of sinus infection (I know from personal experience). It can take a few weeks, or even months before it comes back – it could be an on-and-off process. And it could happen again if you have another sinus infection. Mask exempt!

165420 ▶▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #785 of 1099 🔗

I have allergies and sinus issues and have rarely been able to smell properly. I generally have to look to see if I need to scoop my cats’ litter trays so there is a bright side to it.

165421 ▶▶▶▶ Jack, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #786 of 1099 🔗

I know of a couple of people in your position. One is convinced it was the flu vaccination which caused it and for the other the timing is suspicious between the jab and the onset of the loss of taste. Anecdotal only I’m afraid.

165481 ▶▶▶▶ janis pennance, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #787 of 1099 🔗

Pregnancy caused permanent loss of taste and smell

165507 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #788 of 1099 🔗

My MIL had this from an unknown virus several years ago now and never really got it back.

165596 ▶▶▶▶ Bumble, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #789 of 1099 🔗

My other lost her sense of smell after a stroke. She could still taste though.

165416 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to NickR, 1, #790 of 1099 🔗

Excellent news! Bring on the sniffles. The sniffles for all! this will show the up all covid hygiene insanity to be what it is a pantomime

165480 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to NickR, 1, #791 of 1099 🔗

Wasn’t this predicted on here a few months back? Would the rate of calls though, be anywhere near this, if the plague wasn’t around? More likely, parents would have just said, stop being wimp and go to school!

165419 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to NickR, 1, #793 of 1099 🔗

Project fear part two worked well didn’t it. Amazing.

165673 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to NickR, #794 of 1099 🔗

So most of the recent 111 calls were from kids aged 14 and under?
And Yorks&Humber gave up on calling 111 back in June, realising it was a complete waste of time?

Or have I missed the point?

165368 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 13, #795 of 1099 🔗

Bit of humour that is doing the rounds

The British Trump Covid back-up plan …

*Britain is repossessing the USA*
_A message from John Cleese_

To the Citizens of the United States of America,

In light of your failure to nominate competent candidates for the Presidency of the USA, and thus to govern yourselves, we hereby give notice of the revocation of your independence, effective immediately.

Her Majesty, Queen Elizabeth II, will resume monarchical duties over all states, commonwealths, and territories (except Arkansas, which she does not fancy).

Your new Prime Minister, Boris Johnson, will appoint a Governor for America without the need for further elections.

Congress and the Senate will be disbanded.

A questionnaire may be circulated next year to determine whether any of you noticed.

To aid in the transition to a British Crown Dependency, the following rules are introduced with immediate effect:

1. You should look up “revocation” in the Oxford English Dictionary.

2. Then look up “aluminium”, and check the pronunciation guide. You will be amazed at just how wrongly you have been pronouncing it.

3. The letter “u” will be reinstated in words such as “favour” and “neighbour”. Likewise, you will learn to spell “doughnut” without skipping half the letters, and the suffix -ize will be replaced by the suffix -ise.

4. Generally, you will be expected to raise your vocabulary to acceptable levels (look up “vocabulary”).

5. Using the same 27 words interspersed with filler noises such as “like” and “you know” is an unacceptable and inefficient form of communication.

6. There is no such thing as US English. We will let Microsoft know on your behalf. The Microsoft spell-checker will be adjusted to take account of the reinstated letter “u” and the elimination of -ize. You will relearn your original national anthem, God Save The Queen.

7. The 4th of July will no longer be celebrated as a holiday.

8. You will learn to resolve personal issues without using guns, lawyers, or therapists. The fact that you need so many lawyers and therapists shows that you’re not adult enough to be independent.

9. Guns should only be handled by adults. If you’re not adult enough to sort things out without suing someone or speaking to a therapist, then you’re not grown up enough to handle a gun.

10. Therefore, you will no longer be allowed to own or carry anything more dangerous than a vegetable peeler. A permit will be required if you wish to carry a vegetable peeler in public.

11. All American cars are hereby banned. They are crap, and this is for your own good. When we show you German cars, you will understand what we mean.

12. All intersections will be replaced with roundabouts, and you will start driving on the left with immediate effect. At the same time, you will go metric with immediate effect and without the benefit of conversion tables. (Both roundabouts and metrification will help you understand the British sense of humour.)

13. The former USA will adopt UK prices on petrol (which you have been calling gasoline). Get used to it.

14. You will learn to make real chips. Those things you call “French fries” are not real chips, and those things you insist on calling “potato chips” are properly called “crisps”. Real chips are thick cut, fried in animal fat, and dressed, not with catsup, but with vinegar.

15. The cold tasteless stuff you insist on calling “beer” is not actually beer at all. Henceforth, only proper British Bitter will be referred to as beer, and European brews of known and accepted provenance will be referred to as Lager. South African beer is also acceptable as they are pound for pound the greatest sporting Nation on earth and it can only be due to the beer. They are also part of British Commonwealth – see what it did for them.

16. Hollywood will be required occasionally to cast English actors as good guys. Hollywood will also be required to cast English actors to play English characters. Watching Andie MacDowell attempt English dialogue in _Four Weddings and a Funeral_ was an experience akin to having one’s ears removed with a cheese grater.

17. You will cease playing American football. There is only one kind of proper football; you call it “soccer”. Those of you brave enough will, in time, be allowed to play rugby (which has some similarities to American football, but does not involve stopping for a rest every 20 seconds or wearing full Kevlar body armour, like a bunch of nancies). Don’t try rugby – the South Africans and Kiwis will thrash you, like they regularly thrash us. No more Orange Bowl, Rose Bowl, Cereal Bowl or Super Bowl. From now on…get used to The World Cup.

continued

165369 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Victoria, 12, #796 of 1099 🔗

18. Further, you will stop playing baseball. It is not reasonable to host an event called The World Series for a game that is not played outside of America. Since only 2.1% of you are aware that there is a world beyond your borders, your error is understandable. You will learn cricket, and we will let you face the South Africans first to take the sting out of their deliveries.

19. You must tell us who killed JFK. It’s been driving us mad.

20. An internal revenue agent (i.e. tax collector) from Her Majesty’s Government will be with you shortly to ensure the acquisition of all monies due (backdated to 1776).

21. Daily teatime begins promptly at 4pm with proper cups (never mugs), accompanied by high quality biscuits (cookies) and cakes; or possibly strawberries, when in season.

God save The Queen.

John Cleese

165626 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Victoria, 2, #798 of 1099 🔗

Dear John Cleese

We meant it in 1776 and we still mean it now.

Love

The American People

165372 Stef, replying to Stef, 15, #799 of 1099 🔗

https://www.health.gov.au/resources/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-at-a-glance-23-september-2020?fbclid=IwAR0Q9tvYhiq_Uqu54CE34kcsBGYDxrbdg9Ej1XkluT37EAmQtCDBPvL-bbs

The median age of Covid death is 86 yo. Basically we are locking down the world and making the life miserable for millions of people to protect people who at 90% would have died by natural causes…this is really madness

  • Over the past week, there has been an average of 27 new cases reported each day. Of the newly reported cases, the majority have been from Victoria.
  • COVID-19 cases were reported across all ages.
  • The median age of all cases is 37 years (range: 0 to 106 years).
  • The median age of deaths is 86 years (range: 30 to 106 years) .
165558 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Stef, #800 of 1099 🔗

We know that since effing Easter!

165377 Basileus, 3, #801 of 1099 🔗

Government – a moral vacuum, so says ‘Yes Minister’.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIYfiRyPi3o

165380 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 8, #802 of 1099 🔗

A little snippet when wearing a gimp mask

avoid taking it off and putting it back on a lot in quick succession (for example, when leaving and entering shops on a high street

I’m always fascinated to watch people doing the gimpy cokey. Mask on, mask off especially when at the petrol pumps – fill car, gimp up, enter, pay, leave, gimp off, gimpette back in bag, pocket, dashboard etc.

Is there any chance that when filling up there is possible petrol/diesel fumes contamination on hands, on to gimp mask, breathing fumes???

165400 ▶▶ RickH, replying to stefarm, 11, #803 of 1099 🔗

To be honest, I think that these are the least of the problems.

The real concerns are for people forced to wear masks for prolonged periods.

165426 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to RickH, 7, #804 of 1099 🔗

The best option to put the “them” on the back foot would be a pro forma letter written by someone with legal expertise in which the employer / manager accepts full legal liability for any conditions which can be caused by mask wearing.
A standard letter the employee can print out.
Its immediately puts them on the back foot amd I don’t imagine legal at bigger firms would be happy.
If they refuse to sign, it gives employee advantage of why not? isn’t it safe? etc.

Conditions:
Hypoxia when operating machinery / driving?
Mask mouth?
Impetigo?
Other suggestions of medical conditions welcome?

165459 ▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Nessimmersion, 2, #805 of 1099 🔗

I think technically they already have liability under the health and safety at work act and common law duty of care. They have to ensure the health and safety of their employees as far as is practicable, employees have a responsibility to ensure their own health and safety. If the PPE is required the employer has a responsibility to ensure that it is fit for purpose and that any restrictions on its use are observed.

165466 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Nessimmersion, 3, #806 of 1099 🔗

Lung trouble, as mentioned earlier in these comments?
Could prolonged inhalation of fibres from face nappies eventually cause lung cancer?

165557 ▶▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Nessimmersion, 2, #807 of 1099 🔗

Same for schools, headmasters, pahlies.

165435 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to RickH, 4, #808 of 1099 🔗

100% with you, it is torture

165433 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to stefarm, 5, #809 of 1099 🔗

The Korona Kid – “Mask on, mask off!”

165401 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 23, #810 of 1099 🔗

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/923607/s0760-4a-duration-wearing-face-coverings-170920.pdf

Has anyone seen this before? It is dated 15/09/2020, from NERVTAG.

Although the first part talks about transmission of covid and mask wearing, I found this section interesting.

”Neither surgical masks nor face coverings are designed for use for extended periods. Wearing a face covering for an extended period can maintain a higher moisture level around the face which can be uncomfortable for some people and may increase the likelihood of skin complaints. Masks will become highly contaminated with upper respiratory tract and skin micro-organisms.”

and this:

”There is also a need to ensure that those on the lowest incomes are able to access suitable face coverings (and replace them or wash them frequently) to avoid inequalities of access to protective measures and access to space requiring the use of face coverings”

Who is going to tell this to the shop workers and those on minimum wages who have to wear masks all day in order to keep their jobs?

165418 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Margaret, 4, #811 of 1099 🔗

Fascinating from a number of angles.

I picked out this :

“SAGE has previously given advice that face coverings are likely to be effective at reducing the emission of respiratory droplets and aerosols containing virus into the environment.”

… which really is the equivalent of saying that SAGE has no connection with the scientific, dispassionate assessment of evidence. Rather , on this basis, it is a body of total irrelevance to the maintenance of public health, as opposed to the sacrifice of the same to the advancement of connected private and governmental interests.

… and people will trust a recommendation for an under-tested pre-paid snake oil concoction that can’t meet normal regulatory standards from this shower of incompetence – including those with blatant conflicts of financial interest????

165554 ▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to RickH, 2, #812 of 1099 🔗

They are fully and solely into witchcraft and alchemy now.

165430 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Margaret, #813 of 1099 🔗

Am I misreading? That seems quite pro face coverings ?

165437 ▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to Leemc23, 3, #814 of 1099 🔗

It is in the main, but it is the first time I have seen any article which mentions any problems with wearing face coverings for long periods of time which, for many people, is the biggest gripe.

165451 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Margaret, #815 of 1099 🔗

It’s a great find given the source. Good to use when arguing the case with anyone for sure

165490 ▶▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Margaret, 6, #816 of 1099 🔗

Cheers.

I don’t wear them due to a cardio vascular issue. However, I don’t think I would wear them even if it was not the case as I also find the whole thing really creepy.

165406 Sceptic#1, replying to Sceptic#1, -46, #817 of 1099 🔗

I can’t remember ever agonising so much over how I feel about one thing ever before : I really want Trump to die from Covid as he is a twat but I really want him to get better and come out in a day or two and say is his typically cocky and annoying way ‘see – that virus ain’t anything to worry about now take those masks off and get on with normal life’.

I’m just so torn but I guess it is a kind of win-win situation for us….

165411 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Sceptic#1, #818 of 1099 🔗

Sadly I think the whole thing just shows how silly America is and how it can’t be resolved except by civil war, with China and Russia acting in the wings. The whole thing reminds me of the decline and fall of Byzantium

165413 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #819 of 1099 🔗

Silly? I didn’t write silly! I wrote ungovernable. I really hate autocorrect.

165414 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Sceptic#1, 10, #820 of 1099 🔗

You will notice that it is the Dem states that have all the most draconian lockdowns, and their tame media talk up things relentlessly at every opportunity.
Future of the world depends on the Dems not winning.
That’s how critical I see it.

As an aside, Assange will never ever be released if the Dems win.
It’s widely believed that Trump has offered Assange a pardon if he names his source.
Assange will not name his source, but Trump remains his best hope.

165425 ▶▶▶ Kristian Short, replying to Kevin 2, 12, #821 of 1099 🔗

Absolutely.

Trump is the only thing standing in the way of full NWO.

165436 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Kristian Short, -10, #822 of 1099 🔗

If you believe that …. you’ll probably suck up the snake-oil vaccine! 🙂

165583 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to RickH, 2, #823 of 1099 🔗

There’s a few here of late who like looking at websites whose homepage is made up from lurid colours and flashing lights. I suppose even us lockdown sceptics have to tolerate a lunatic fringe too.

165611 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to RickH, #824 of 1099 🔗

Do explain.

165415 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Sceptic#1, 35, #825 of 1099 🔗

If he dies, that’s basically it for Western society, it will totally self-destruct (not that it isn’t already). I sincerely hope he doesn’t die – not only because wishing death on someone else is pretty vile, but the sceptics cause will be totally kiboshed if he does because there will be worldwide hysteria, even though it will ironically prove our point that locking down everyone is disproportionate because this illness only seems to badly affect old people with co-morbidities, like the flu, for which we have never locked down.

165484 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Poppy, 10, #826 of 1099 🔗

FFS, of course he isn’t going to die. He will recover like practically everybody else does. Jeez, he has cold, flu symptoms. Remember when we all used to get those without losing our shit?

If you are sceptic, you believe (a) it’s not that dangerous and (b) many or most of us will get it in some way at some point (remember herd immunity).

So Trump’s got it, great. Let’s not go into panic mode.

165427 ▶▶ Nic, replying to Sceptic#1, 28, #827 of 1099 🔗

You are a sad person wanting someone to die I think Jeremy Corbyn is a twat but I dont wish any physical harm on him.

165652 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Nic, #828 of 1099 🔗

Only “sad”?

165438 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Sceptic#1, -12, #829 of 1099 🔗

Nah – I don’t want Trump to die. On principle – but also because I don’t want such an egregious infantile twat to become a plastic hero for the gullibles.

165617 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to RickH, 1, #830 of 1099 🔗

And the alternative is sooo much better, eh?
He might be egotistical, but he’d have to be to go for the presidency. Tell me which politician isn’t.
He blows his own trumpet, but if he doesn’t, who will? The Democrats and media have been lying about him constantly since he announced he was going to run in the election.
For example, kids in cages at the border? Photos taken in 2014 under Obama’s administration, which no one apparently gave two hoots about back then, but thought it was akin to Nazi concentration camps when they thought it was Trump…

165692 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Lms23, #831 of 1099 🔗

He’s unpopular with the MSM and elites because he has said he will take out the Deep state… like JFK was going to do. Maybe that is due to being friends with JFK Jr?

165446 ▶▶ Hubes, replying to Sceptic#1, 12, #832 of 1099 🔗

What the fuck are people talking about him dying. Get a grip. If he had the flu would people say he’s gonna die. Ridiculous. I thought we established a long time ago that the chances of anybody of any age dying of this virus without multiple comorbidities is practically zero.

165472 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Hubes, 1, #833 of 1099 🔗

I’d be worried if I was his age and weight and the fact he has been given Remdesivir having earlier had the cocktail of trial drugs before he went into hospital. Bet their interaction hasn’t been tested!

165587 ▶▶▶▶ Bumble, replying to Jo, #834 of 1099 🔗

I do wonder if he is demanding the treatments from the drs. Seems a little ott with high risk of side effects.

165482 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Hubes, 4, #835 of 1099 🔗

also concerned that someone actually wants trump to die.. hell yes lets do away with elections .. just shoot them if you dont like them or they are a twat

165622 ▶▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to mjr, 2, #836 of 1099 🔗

There’s been hundreds of Twitter replies to him with satanic curses. These people are seriously evil and horrible people who need to take a good look at themselves in the mirror.

165618 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Hubes, 3, #837 of 1099 🔗

At his age, 74, male, overweight, around 95% survival.

165408 cloud6, 4, #838 of 1099 🔗

When the meeja started to go over the top on our American friend I have banned the news from my establishment, the last few days have been brilliant, so I though I would cheer everyone up a bit….
1st play this video (20 months old but will make you laugh)
https://www.news.co.uk/2019/02/the-times-and-the-sunday-times-reveal-new-brand-campaign-2/
2nd Watch Top Gear on the TV channel Dave, the one I watched was 12 years old ( O.M.G…C,H and M looked like 20 somethings), very entertaining.
Enjoy.

165505 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to janis pennance, 3, #840 of 1099 🔗

Entrails and bird flight are actually better predictors.

165431 Youth_Unheard, replying to Youth_Unheard, 24, #841 of 1099 🔗

I know this is old news from a few days ago, but I still can’t get over the scope of it. The fact that now
-a person designated by the Secretary of State for the purposes of this regulation,
-an officer designated by the relevant local authority for the purposes of this regulation.
in addition to police officers and PCSO’s have the authority to
-direct them to return to the place where they are self-isolating, or
-remove them to that place using reasonable force.
So a reassigned traffic warden has legal authority to use reasonable force to enforce self isolation!
Not to mention now that fines START at £1000!
And no appeals process!!! It is a scandal that this law is allowed to stand.

https://www.laworfiction.com/2020/09/self-isolation-regulations-and-close-contact/

165439 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Youth_Unheard, 8, #842 of 1099 🔗

Sure is. A scandal and very scary too.

165467 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Two-Six, 7, #843 of 1099 🔗

But it’s all incompetence.

165575 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #844 of 1099 🔗

As opposed to a made up theory coming from somebody who joins dots in his head you mean? Who’d’ve thunk it?

165640 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #845 of 1099 🔗

You don’t establish a police state by accident.
Whether you believe it or not this is the beginning of tyranny.
And by the way this is actual law not dots in my head.

165457 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Youth_Unheard, 5, #846 of 1099 🔗

I did not realise that there is no appeals process – what about innocent until proven guilty???
What happens if your test was a false positive?

165478 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Youth_Unheard, 7, #847 of 1099 🔗

This will lead to violence, and the responsibility rests with the government and all its apologists and collaborators.

165442 RickH, replying to RickH, 33, #848 of 1099 🔗

My other half has just had a long ‘phone call with a long-time friend, living on her own and absolutely brimming over with hypochondriac anxiety.

Just one person. But how many in our 67m are suffering from the same induction/enhancement of anxiety and/or depression as a result of this mega shit-show and scam?

Evil.

165462 ▶▶ annie, replying to RickH, 14, #849 of 1099 🔗

I’m afraid the weak-minded have brought it upon themselves..

165491 ▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to annie, 9, #850 of 1099 🔗

Sad but true, I never thought of myself as particularly tough minded but you owe it to family and yourself to not crumble. I’ve got some friends and family that I avoid now sadly.

165499 ▶▶▶ l835, replying to annie, 9, #851 of 1099 🔗

A little harsh maybe? I think the one thing this government is good at is frightening it’s citizens. Look at the clever use of ‘the graph’ I expect many people stopped listening when they heard “this is not a prediction” Well, if not a prediction, it must be fact! Why else would our government show us a completely pointless graph on prime time TV if not a fact? The only reason I refrain from screaming “take that off your face” at people wearing masks outside, is that they are scared, really scared.

165671 ▶▶▶▶ Lili, replying to l835, 4, #852 of 1099 🔗

I’ve always had a very healthy mistrust of authority. Seems it’s stood me in very good stead.

165547 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to RickH, 4, #853 of 1099 🔗

In the face of constant scaremongering, it would be difficult not to become a terrified hypochondriac if you didn’t already have an overdose of cynicism about government and the media.

165561 ▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to RickH, 10, #854 of 1099 🔗

So a good friend of mine actually entered my home in the country yesterday. She has lupus and has been a hand sanitizer freak for many years now, but of course she is in the vulnerable category so I try not to be too judgmental. I’ve only seen her once since all of this started and that was in her backyard where I got eaten by mosquitoes and wasn’t allowed in her house to use the washroom unless I wore a mask. I’d rather piss myself so I took a pass and waited until I got home. Our country place has a grand total of 5 cases in the region, so suffice it to say we are not a risk to her since we feel perfectly well. She sat 6+ feet away in our living room with cathedral ceiling and I opened the window for her (9 degrees here so not exactly balmy). She wouldn’t use the powder room I had just cleaned because I hadn’t worn a mask while cleaning it, but did use the basement bathroom because nobody had been in it since Monday. But, she wore a mask to go alone down to the washroom. I hated seeing her and her husband wearing masks even for a short time in my own home, but I did tell her I’d do anything short of wearing a mask myself if she came over for a visit. It was kind of crazy! Granted, she’s over-the-top hysterical about Covid, but if others are even half as nuts we are a long way from getting back to normal.

165571 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to RickH, 2, #855 of 1099 🔗

It probably affects those living alone disproportionately, but not exclusively.

165591 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #856 of 1099 🔗

Perhaps. But I live alone and lockdown made me so profoundly unhappy that I became motivated to discover its conceptual flaws, found Lockdown Sceptics and have since late spring considered myself essentially an anarchist in relation to the corona regime. On the other hand, many friends of mine who live alone adapted well to the increased isolation and confinement – it turned out they were true introverts. They had no personal reason to fight with the law.

165768 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #857 of 1099 🔗

I live alone apart from my cats and I’m vulnerable to any nasty virus but I’m furious rather than terrified. I take reasonable precautions like hand washing but the Government scare me way more than the virus.

165445 Basics, replying to Basics, 5, #858 of 1099 🔗

Media reports seemed to have stalled about the numbers of NHS app downloads. If things were going to plan there would be stories thrusting 40 million + figures in everybodies face. Instead we get stories from 5-6 days ago citing over 10 million downloads, 2.7 star ratings at google play store for 4,600k reviews with cut and paste apologies from NHS tnt under the myriad bad reviews.

Has the app totally failed?

165448 ▶▶ Thinkaboutit, replying to Basics, 10, #859 of 1099 🔗

You mean the growth in take up isn’t exponential?

165456 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Thinkaboutit, 6, #860 of 1099 🔗

It is as exponential as the growth in infections. The app didn’t get Whitty and Vallence’s memo about non predictions.

165465 ▶▶ Nic, replying to Basics, 3, #861 of 1099 🔗

1o million out of a population we all.know is 70 million plus I’d say its a failure

165551 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Basics, 6, #862 of 1099 🔗

Germany 1st day: 14 million bedwetters downloaded the app.
2 months later: 16 million in total, and it officially hsving been declared useless.

165567 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Jay Berger, #863 of 1099 🔗

There’s a pattern developing here… lol

165559 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Basics, 3, #864 of 1099 🔗

Many people don’t necessarily want the app, they are just being coerced by businesses and state organisations making out it is a condition of entry. I don’t think the government should take much credit for anything as most things are being forced on the population.

165595 ▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Basics, 5, #865 of 1099 🔗

Relative downloaded it, took a quick look and deleted. Suppose that’s a false positive?

165452 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 6, #866 of 1099 🔗

This blanket coverage of Trump is nauseating. There’s far more (British) media attention here than there was when our glorious leader when down with the Wuhan lab flu.

165543 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Tenchy, 7, #867 of 1099 🔗

If Boris died, there’s plenty of identikit MPs to replace him the UK would have continued as before.
If Trump dies, there’s no one like him to take his place. If the Democrats win, America as we know it is finished. The Democrats will ensure they’ll never lose another election, by adding two more Democrat states which means more Democrat votes in Congress and a guaranteed majority, changes to voting rights, getting rid of the Electoral College….it’ll turn into a far left socialist hellhole.

165699 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Lms23, #868 of 1099 🔗

Almost certainly yes…. CNN confirms it will be a ‘largely peaceful’ socialist hellhole 🙂

165550 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Tenchy, 4, #869 of 1099 🔗

The BBC alleged news coverage is especially bad.
The open partisanship from their reporters especially that condescending git Sopel is apalling.
He would be kicked out of Russia if he displayed that level of open bias in slanting the news.

165453 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 10, #870 of 1099 🔗

https://jordanschachtel.substack.com/p/200-days-the-worlds-longest-lockdown?r=6a3x3&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&utm_source=twitter

“Argentina is currently operating the world’s longest lockdown, which some Argentinians now refer to as “quaranernity“ On Monday, Argentina will hit the 200 days of lockdown milestone.On March 16, Argentina completely closed its borders to the outside world, and three days later ,Buenos Aires imposed a nation-wide, mandatory lockdown. In mid April, they imposed mandatory masking. The lockdown and its accompanying restrictions were only expected to last two weeks time, yet here we are, on day 198 of Argentina’s lockdown, which is scheduled to last until at least October 11. Given the government’s track record of continually extending restrictions (and promising to lift lockdowns, while at the last second, pulling the plug on those ideas), it seems that there’s little to no chance that the restrictions will actually end in a week’s time.”

165454 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to swedenborg, 8, #871 of 1099 🔗

And the restrictions have really worked, haven’t they:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Argentina

165534 ▶▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to Tenchy, 2, #872 of 1099 🔗

An interesting read. One interpretation is that lockdown led to a disastrous rise in poverty and unemployment that made adherence impossible in many areas.

165548 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to swedenborg, 7, #873 of 1099 🔗

Nicaragua: no lockdown, no masks, few deaths.
All of its neighbours: the opposite.

165713 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Jay Berger, #874 of 1099 🔗

Uruguay is a very similar story.

165458 Hoppy Uniatz, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 22, #875 of 1099 🔗

So I got on the train down to Kings Cross, equipped with a large bunch of grapes as usual for slow eating purposes, and sitting in the seat in front of me was a man with a Nigerian accent, whom I could hear talking on his mobile in what I felt was a gloating voice. “Europe is finished, you see in our country we argue with the government, here they say hide in your houses and everybody obeys.”
I’m afraid when the train drew in, we all stood up and he put on his pale blue mask to disembark, I derived a petty, Lockdown Sceptics type satisfaction from smiling at him in a friendly, maskless, solicitous sort of way. “No, no, you first.”

165461 ▶▶ annie, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 10, #876 of 1099 🔗

So Europe is finished and all the immigrants go home?

165533 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to annie, 4, #877 of 1099 🔗

Silver lining???

165470 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 7, #878 of 1099 🔗

Apologies if this has already been posted. As if there isn’t enough to be concerned about already.

HALF A MILLION SHARKS COULD BE KILLED FOR COVID-19 VACCINE, SAY EXPERTS https://www.euronews.com/living/2020/09/29/half-a-million-sharks-could-be-killed-for-covid-19-vaccine-say-experts

Extract: “Shark squalene is being considered for use in coronavirus vaccines, warn conservationists. Squalene is a natural organic compound, found in shark liver oil.

Between 2,500 – 3,000 sharks are needed to extract one tonne of squalene. Conservation group Shark Allies predicts that if the world’s population all received one dose of the vaccine, around 250,000 sharks would have to be slaughtered, depending on the amount of squalene used. Two doses for every person in the globe would amount to half a million sharks.
Currently, British pharmaceutical giant GlaxoSmithKine (GSK) uses squalene in flu vaccines . The oil is used as an adjuvant in medicine, an ingredient that increases the effectiveness of a vaccine by creating a stronger immune response. GSK has announced that it would manufacture a billion doses of the adjuvant for potential use in coronavirus vaccines.”

So much for saving the natural world.

According to https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/sharks-killed-glaxo-vaccine/
extract:

“Scientific studies have linked squalene adjuvants to Gulf War syndrome and to a wave of debilitating neurological disorders including epidemics of narcolepsy caused by Glaxo’s H1N1 Pandemrix vaccine during the 2009 swine flu “pandemic.” One study showed a 13-fold increased risk of narcolepsy in children who received Pandemrix.
The devastating cascade of brain injuries to children and health care workers forced the termination of that Glaxo vaccine after European governments used only a small fraction of the jabs they had purchased from Glaxo. A recent study links squalene to carcinomas . In a bizarre and reckless twist, Glaxo has revived the dangerous adjuvant as its hall pass to the COVID-19 money orgy.”

165506 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to godowneasy, 6, #879 of 1099 🔗

I read that and wondered if we still had that many sharks left.

165531 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to godowneasy, 2, #880 of 1099 🔗

Didn’t two people suddenly develop serious neurological problems while on a vaccine trial??

165601 ▶▶ DRW, replying to godowneasy, 5, #881 of 1099 🔗

Shark Lives Matter!

165709 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to godowneasy, #882 of 1099 🔗

With one factory killing up to 600 Whale Sharks a year back in 2014, shouldn’t be a problem as those kind of numbers are already needlessly killed just for the fins:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-05/an-hundreds-of-sharks-killed-annually-in-illegal-trade-in-china/5239568

165473 wat tyler, 4, #883 of 1099 🔗

Hi Everyone a while back there was people talking about posters with NO MASK. WE WON’T ASK . for shops .Does anyone know if it’s still possible to print them off from this site? ,i can’t find a link.

165476 Jonathan Castro, replying to Jonathan Castro, 8, #884 of 1099 🔗

Couldn’t get into a restaurant today so ended up having a takeaway. The guy behind the counter looked pretty narked off, probably because we weren’t wearing masks.

165545 ▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Jonathan Castro, 8, #885 of 1099 🔗

I suspect when things get really tough, business will decide our money isn’t tainted even if they think we are. I won’t go to a restaurant until I’m no longer being surveilled, which means it might be a while. Thankfully one of our favourites does multi-course meals on the weekends and we pick up and eat it home, which I kind of prefer anyway.

165564 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 5, #886 of 1099 🔗

Yes I really can’t see anything pleasant in eating out at the moment at all. Masks everywhere and a digital footprint. No – dining room for us. If they go to the wall that’s the choice they made in not standing up for themselves.

165487 Old Bill, replying to Old Bill, 25, #887 of 1099 🔗

Unless you live in a lead lined cave (and really that is far more harmful to your health then catching covid) you can hardly have missed the carpet bombing of propaganda paid for by us, the taxpayers of Britain on behalf of the feckless and uncaring government that is ever present on all forms of media recently, you know the one – the hands, face, space nausea. I am so sick of it that I thought I would like to write my own version of it. See what you think.

Hands: I wash my hands to remove the blood of the last sycophantic half wit that advised me to ‘stay safe’.

Face: I wear a face covering to hide my disdain and revulsion at the sad bastards that actually believe in them.

Space: I maintain space because standing closer than 2 metres to a covid-cretin makes me vomit.

Hands, face, space, you know it makes sense.

I have hawked it around the media outlets I know of but haven’t had any positive feedback as yet – I will let you know if I do.

165520 ▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to Old Bill, 5, #888 of 1099 🔗

We don’t watch live tv, don’t read newspapers, listen to only a little radio and only watch old shows on catch up services. The propaganda has almost completely passed me by.

Which means I get a real shock when I hear people parrot it.

Today I got the “masks protect other people” line. I also got – “Cases are rising”. In my region even that dodgy metric is falling. Hats off, the propaganda is working amazingly well.

165528 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Ed Phillips, 9, #889 of 1099 🔗

If masks protect other people, and you know you don’t have it, because you’ve not gone anywhere or been close to anyone for several weeks, does that mean you don’t need a mask?

165643 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Lms23, 1, #890 of 1099 🔗

Nobody needs one anyway.

165542 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Old Bill, 6, #891 of 1099 🔗

The correct & approved reply to “Stay Safe” is ” Stay Sane”

165577 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Nessimmersion, 3, #892 of 1099 🔗

yes, I’ve been using that – it’s a verbal freemasons’ handshake for those of us who have not lost our minds

165667 ▶▶ Lili, replying to Old Bill, 1, #893 of 1099 🔗

I don’t hear it as I don’t watch TV or listen to anything but Talk Radio. They occasionally push out the government propaganda (a condition of licence perhaps?) but I turn the sound down.

165495 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 2, #894 of 1099 🔗

Anyone here noticing something strange? I have a comments “Awaiting approval”. There also seems to be a lack of comments coming through at this peak time. Is a new censorship regime being used????

165498 ▶▶ mjr, replying to godowneasy, 3, #895 of 1099 🔗

links? over 3 and comment needs approving

but it is a little quiet .. maybe everyones gone to a party

165502 ▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to mjr, 1, #896 of 1099 🔗

Thanks – I have some embedded links in text – I didn’t know that might trigger it.
I have reposed without the links!

165708 ▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to godowneasy, #897 of 1099 🔗

I wouldn’t worry, I’ve had some comments awaiting approval that have all gone through.

165500 Biggles, replying to Biggles, 27, #898 of 1099 🔗

Well I’m just over half way through the John Bishop testing regime using a very acceptable Australian Shiraz and it’s good news. Every test so far has been negative, but I’ve still got another 20 to go. Wish me luck…

165504 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Biggles, 4, #899 of 1099 🔗

Is that a day’s or week’s supply of tests?

165515 ▶▶▶ Biggles, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #900 of 1099 🔗

Oh a day of course!

165511 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Biggles, 2, #901 of 1099 🔗

Remember it’s your public duty to keep going. I shall be with you in spirit!

165539 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to godowneasy, #902 of 1099 🔗

In spirit or with spirit?

165602 ▶▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to godowneasy, 1, #903 of 1099 🔗

Whisky, gin or rum?

165526 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Biggles, 9, #904 of 1099 🔗

I’m coming to the conclusion that it’s Northern cynicism and bloody mindedness that is going to break the government on this. Us lot down here in the far South West should be ashamed of ourselves.

Clearly, the blood of the Devon mariners who explored the world, of the hardy Cornish Royalist fighters in the Civil War, and of the Cornish miners who were the hardiest and best at their trade in the world, flows no more in the veins of Dumnonians today. Close to 100% muzzle compliance and no covid jokes allowed down here.

Cheers. Pouring another single malt for myself right now.

165537 ▶▶▶ Biggles, replying to TJN, 1, #905 of 1099 🔗

Cheers (hic)

165538 ▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Biggles, 3, #906 of 1099 🔗

I’ve got a California cabernet sauvignon waiting for me, but it’s a bit early in the day to test here in Canada. You do know that anything over 25-30 cycles (pours, in this case) and the test is bound to be a false positive, right? You don’t want to be part of the problem, so make sure you limit yourself to no more than 30 “tests” per day!

165556 ▶▶▶ Biggles, replying to Lisa from Toronto, #907 of 1099 🔗

Phew, thanks for that, I’d better stop at 28 then!

165568 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Biggles, 2, #908 of 1099 🔗

Let’s get tested and get back to what we love…

165641 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Biggles, 1, #909 of 1099 🔗

I’m about to start testing myself now. 🙂

165508 godowneasy, #910 of 1099 🔗

mistake ignore…..

165510 Nic, replying to Nic, 4, #911 of 1099 🔗

Feeling pretty down about Trumps health pretty mixed messages about his condition . I think if he doesent make it it’s a big set back for us preying he makes it throgh.

165525 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to Nic, 4, #912 of 1099 🔗

Let’s trust the official line for now, odds are it’s most likely to be correct.

165549 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Nic, 5, #913 of 1099 🔗

If they routinely poison East European politicians, I don’t know why it isn’t a possibility that Trump has been poisoned, too – I seem to have noticed that quite a few people don’t like him. Or at least they don’t like the idea of him, regarding him as our very own Emmanuel Goldstein figure.

165656 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #914 of 1099 🔗

A few years ago, there was a news item (very small, was buried very quickly) that a SS agent on the White House detail passed away, after quickly falling ill, while on protection detail for Trump… it’s been speculated that poisoning could have come into the equation. no idea if this is likely to be true, obviously, but the idea has certainly been banded about.

165566 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Nic, 4, #915 of 1099 🔗

Not sure whether some of the lobby journos have been editorialing, but this is Fox’s take on what was said by the White House official:

However, a senior administration official told Fox News that on Friday morning, Trump was showing troubling signs of a possible progression from mild to more severe form of the disease.
The official said that medical professionals moved quickly and decided to transfer the President to Walter Reed out of an abundance of caution over what was seen as a very concerning trajectory of disease progression.
“Twenty-four hours ago, there was real concern about the President’s vitals,” the official said. “For the past 12 hours, there has been zero concern.”
The official added: “Early indications are for an extremely good prognosis – but the next 48 hours will be critical.”

If you cut and paste this, you can present a very different story to what the medical team said outside the hospital earlier. Trump has since tweeted twice, the second tweet in capitals.

165570 ▶▶▶ Nic, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #916 of 1099 🔗

Thsnks feeling more upbeat

165512 Nic, replying to Nic, 5, #917 of 1099 🔗

16000 new cases in France today but desths remain very low this is excellent newd

165532 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Nic, 8, #918 of 1099 🔗

It is objectively excellent news but in these hysterical times, the government/MSM only care about skyrocketing ‘cases’!

165579 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Nic, 1, #919 of 1099 🔗

Imagine the implosion in the UK if cases were to reach such dizzying heights!

165514 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 9, #920 of 1099 🔗
165522 ▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to Tim Bidie, 2, #921 of 1099 🔗

That leap after lockdown began really looks dodgy, doesn’t it?

165540 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Ed Phillips, #922 of 1099 🔗

But there seems to have been similar leaps in every other year at precisely that date, too! Is there something significant about that date? (Or am I misunderstanding what the graph shows?)

165553 ▶▶▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to Barney McGrew, #923 of 1099 🔗

Ivor Cummins favourite Gompertz Curves well to the fore, I see

165578 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Barney McGrew, #924 of 1099 🔗

True, that’s very strange.

165524 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to Tim Bidie, 1, #925 of 1099 🔗

Nice work. Net result: pretty average death count with an unusual distribution?

165535 ▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Tim Bidie, 3, #926 of 1099 🔗

In my province there’s nothing unusual about all-cause mortality, except for the fact it goes DOWN precipitously in May. And in my province, we did a terrible job of protecting the elderly in LTC facilities (80% or so of all Covid deaths) and there is still nothing remarkable about the number of deaths this year vs. other years. What pandemic???

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/200724/g-a004-eng.htm

165634 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Tim Bidie, #927 of 1099 🔗

“Well it seems to me you lived your life like a fart right in the wind, never knowing who to turn to when the sane set in”

165521 Mabel Cow, 16, #928 of 1099 🔗

After re-watching the always excellent Gladiator today, I felt moved to create another one of my acceptance-themed posters, this time using the words of Marcus Aurelius:

“Death smiles on us all. All we can do is smile back.”

Available here , free for any purpose.

165530 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #929 of 1099 🔗

Someone was asking if there were any demos today. Here’s what I found on StandupX:

LONDON
Saturday, 03 Oct
StandUPX will be doing local outreach and supporting Geza Tarjanyi’s march to Parliament from Hyde Park, 12 pm

LONDON
Saturday, 17 Oct
FREEDOM MARCH
Location and start time TBC nearer to the day.

There are also weekly regional meetings.
See https://www.standupx.info/

165546 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #930 of 1099 🔗

There is also a London March against police brutality starting at 1pm on Sunday 4th – to protest against the action of the Territorial Support Group over the past 2 weekends. https://www.stopnewnormal.net/

165629 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Darryl, #931 of 1099 🔗

Great!

165552 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 7, #932 of 1099 🔗

Today’s UK figures for “cases” and deaths seem not to have been published yet. Are they having mad recount?

In Ireland ten deaths were announced today – the highest figure in four month! But it was qualified – eight of those ten deaths occurred before September! Who knows when?

165573 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Ned of the Hills, 2, #933 of 1099 🔗

The eight from previous months wasn’t mentioned in the UK media. Interesting that the “case” and “deaths” graphs for Ireland and the UK are just about identical.

165580 ▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Tenchy, 1, #934 of 1099 🔗

Just to be clear.

Are you saying it has been mentioned in the British media there has been ten death – the highest figure for yonks?

This is poor journalism if so. This is the wording on the Irish government’s website:-

  • the Health Protection Surveillance Centre (HPSC) has been informed of 10 additional deaths among people with COVID-19 in Ireland (it is important to note that 8 of the 10 deaths reported today occurred prior to September 2020)

Note the words:- it is important to note !

It goes on to say – just to add to the confusion:-

validation of data at the HPSC has resulted in the denotification of 1 deaths. (sic)

165608 ▶▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Ned of the Hills, 1, #935 of 1099 🔗

Yes, that’s it. It was either on the BBC, in the Telegraph or the Guardian. I can’t remember which, and all three outlets are now swamped with stuff about Trump, so I can’t now find it. When I read it, I thought something was amiss.

165613 ▶▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Ned of the Hills, 1, #936 of 1099 🔗

Found it – The Guardian:

Ireland is seeing a “significant escalation” in coronavirus infections, the acting chief medical officer said on Saturday after reporting the highest daily death toll since May and the third-highest number of daily cases recorded to date.

Like most of Europe, Ireland has seen a steady increase in infections since the end of July and has tightened restrictions as a result, including banning all indoor restaurant dining and most trips in and out of the capital, Dublin, Reuters reports.

The 613 new cases on Saturday was the highest daily total since late April, when the country was still in a full lockdown.

Ten more people died, bringing the total number of coronavirus-related deaths to 1,810.

“The numbers being reported today and over the past week represent a significant escalation in the profile of Covid-19 in Ireland,” acting chief medical officer Ronan Glynn said in a statement.

Glynn urged people over the age of 70 and those who are medically vulnerable to Covid-19 to limit the number of people they meet to a very small core group of family members, carers or friends, and for short periods of time.

Ireland has reported just over 100 cases per 100,000 people in the past 14 days, the 16th-highest Covid-19 infection rate out of 31 European countries monitored by the European Centre for Disease Control.

165625 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Tenchy, 2, #937 of 1099 🔗

Much thanks for finding that!

Cases in Ireland are rocketing. The 613 figure is ten times the lowest weekly figure in early July

But mortality figures don’t appear to be reflecting this – Even last week’s mortality figure is still only around a tenth of the average weekly figure for the last six months.

165664 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Ned of the Hills, #938 of 1099 🔗

Cases or positive test results?

DavidC

165581 ▶▶ MadJock1, replying to Ned of the Hills, 6, #939 of 1099 🔗

Just looked at the web site and this statement is at the top “ Due to a technical issue, which has now been resolved, there has been a delay in publishing a number of COVID-19 cases to the dashboard in England. This means the total reported over the coming days will include some additional cases from the period between 24 September and 1 October, increasing the number of cases reported.”

Looks like fiddling the figures to me.

165555 Draper233, replying to Draper233, #940 of 1099 🔗

Test

165560 ▶▶ dickyboy, replying to Draper233, 9, #941 of 1099 🔗

I refuse!

165588 ▶▶▶ Draper233, replying to dickyboy, #942 of 1099 🔗

Haha, very good. Is anybody else having issues posting…?

165572 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 2, #944 of 1099 🔗

Brilliant! Why does he look like he’s been dragged through a hedge backwards?

165621 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Ned of the Hills, 3, #945 of 1099 🔗

Doesn’t he always look that way?

165628 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #946 of 1099 🔗

It’s part of his blithering buffoon look.

165576 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, #947 of 1099 🔗

But since R is theoretical and modelled taking into account, amongst other things, the level of human interaction, won’t lifting lockdown immediately bring it above 1, thus requiring further lockdown?

And if R in the whole country is above 1 as they are currently telling us it is, why do the local lockdown areas need to get it below the level in the rest of the country before they can be released?

Obviously, none of it is supposed to make any sense so I don’t know why I keep thinking it should.

165662 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, #948 of 1099 🔗

An R rate of 50 with a death rate of 0% is very different to an R rate of 50 and a death rate of 100%. The R rate on its own is meaningless.

DavidC

165679 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, #949 of 1099 🔗

the Prime Minister suggested people could opt not to follow the advice that comes as part of local restrictions, ‘provided people show common sense.’
Nuff said

165565 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, #950 of 1099 🔗

Have we all been teleported to the US with us knowing?

Just look at this Telegraph (a British newspaper) live feed (not paywall):

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-covid-news-donald-trump-uk-cases-update-lockdown/

165584 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Tenchy, 3, #951 of 1099 🔗

Odd because the man himself is still tweeting that he is ok…
So why is the DT trying to make out he’s at death’s door?

165612 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Carrie, 2, #952 of 1099 🔗

They did it with Boris, my aunt was in tears thinking he was on his way out!

165697 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #953 of 1099 🔗

Big Boris story in tomorrow’s DM: https://twitter.com/BreesAnna/status/1312506286173351937
Diversion tactics? ie not about CV19?

165700 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Carrie, #954 of 1099 🔗

That should provide the press with a nice segue into discussing the increases in domestic violence that have been caused by lockdown.

165569 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 15, #955 of 1099 🔗

There is no doubt that, for most people, the Trump ‘Covid’ diagnosis has suddenly made Covid real again. After a few months where Covid became a somewhat theoretical, mythical disease – lots of ‘cases’ but no symptoms – the media is talking about oxygen, ‘critical 48 hours’, ‘vital signs’ and so on, as though this is an axiomatically-terrifying disease.

I simply don’t believe it.

165582 ▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to Barney McGrew, 2, #956 of 1099 🔗

Doesn’t sound too bad according to his medical team

https://youtu.be/Q35n5gywyKU

165624 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to tonyspurs, 1, #957 of 1099 🔗

His doctor looks like a model!
Fever-free for 24 hours – sounds positive.
Interesting final comment about him having ‘plenty of work to get done’…..

165586 ▶▶ Nic, replying to Barney McGrew, 2, #958 of 1099 🔗

In never doubted it’s a serious disease for a small section of the population , unfortunately both boris and trump are both in that catagory.
Many premier league footballers have had it none with any symptons .

165623 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Nic, 6, #959 of 1099 🔗

If they had it with no symptoms, they didn’t have it! Merely false-positives.

165645 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #960 of 1099 🔗

I think you may be right.

The only time that people ought to be asymptomatic is the short interval between becoming infected and symptoms appearing (ie, when the immune system registers it).

I’m not sure that anyone who never has any symptoms could be said to have even an infection of the virus SARS-CoV-2, much less the disease Covid19.

But even then, nobody who has a SARS-CoV-2 infection and who is asymptomatic – and remains asymptomatic – has Covid19.

Covid19 is the disease. And the disease has symptoms.

165646 ▶▶▶▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to John P, 2, #961 of 1099 🔗

This is the inevitable problem when testing replaces diagnosis

165743 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Nic, #962 of 1099 🔗

Agreed!

165592 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #963 of 1099 🔗

Did anyone else think there was something not quite ‘right’ about the film of Trump last night, talking just before going to hospital?

To me (I’ve worked in the film industry) it looked like it was a ‘green screen’ job, ie was shot somewhere else and the background put in afterwards.. Look closely…

165594 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Carrie, 2, #964 of 1099 🔗

Just watched it. Looks like he’s possibly using something like Microsoft Teams/Google Meet. They allow you to distort the background so it’s not fully rendered. Helps when working from home in case the kids are wrecking house in the background

165603 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #965 of 1099 🔗

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1312158400352972800

Look at the edges of his body..he looks to have been superimposed on the background..

165657 ▶▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Carrie, #966 of 1099 🔗

The overall video quality is so poor it would be difficult to tell. Is there another bettter quality one?

DavidC

165609 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #967 of 1099 🔗

When you do that kind of thing on Skype, you have to be careful not to move your limbs or bits of you kind of ‘break up’ and ‘disappear’ into the background. Trump waves his arms a bit but nothing like that happens in this film.. Maybe ‘Teams’ works better?
There’s a lot of background noise and echo too, maybe due to the floor and aircon (?), plus the fact that he isn’t miked up – I was thinking a cameraman was using a boom mike which would pick up the ambient noise ?

Why would Trump have any need of *not* using the *real* background of where he is anyway, if this is actually genuine footage shot at the White House ? It’s not like he has loads of people who are likely to disturb him while filming..especially not if he is supposedly infectious and about to go to hospital – staff would surely be keeping away from him…

165642 ▶▶▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to Carrie, #968 of 1099 🔗

El Cid?

165659 ▶▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Carrie, #969 of 1099 🔗

Skype for business and Teams is the same platform.

165676 ▶▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Carrie, #970 of 1099 🔗

Doubt that’s green screen, the hair ( ironically ) is too good.

165589 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 18, #971 of 1099 🔗

I’m very optimistic about president Trump. I think he’s being very shrewd and playing a game that will not only get him re-elected but will give a huge lift to those who are against all the bollocks that is going on world wide about Covid and lock down. Why am I optimistic? He is undoubtedly taking on the ‘globalists’ which is why he is so hated by the MSM. He has made it known that he sees the benefits of Vitamin D and hydroxychloroquine to be treatments that he prefers. He is sceptical of the whole pandemic narrative and has appointed Scot Atlas ( a major sceptic) to his inner circle of advisers.
But the main reason I am optimistic is this: The state of health of Presidents and indeed any world leader is something that THEY choose to either keep secret or announce to the world. F.D. Roosevelt kept his polio induced paralysis secret for years. John F. Kennedy was in constant pain and suffered from Addisons disease which was unknown when he lived.
Eisenhower was elected in 1952. In 1955 he had a heart attack from which he recovered. In 1956 he was diagnosed with Crohn’s disease, a serious gastrointestinal disorder which required surgery. Shortly thereafter, Eisenhower suffered a stroke in 1957, but managed to complete his term in office. His heart continued to plague him until his death in 1969.

Ronald Reagan suffered from Colon cancer whilst in office and was diagnosed with Alzheimer’s disease. Non of which the public knew about.

And yet Donald Trump, much against presidential custom of keeping ill health a closely guarded secret, decides to broadcast his positive Covid test to the world via his twitter account! The smart money is on Trump to win this upcoming election and for him then to lead the world out of this insanity. Put your money on it…I have!

Churchill kept his stroke secret during his second term of office.

165597 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Harry hopkins, 10, #972 of 1099 🔗

Interestingly Trump was good friends with JFK Jr, who died in suspicious circumstances. It is rumoured that at the time of his death he was up against a certain Hillary Clinton in wanting to be senator for New York..

165649 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Carrie, 1, #973 of 1099 🔗

On this subject, I’ve read a really interesting book called “The Inheritance – the poisoned fruit of JFK’s assassination”. Available from amazon, the author (Chris Fulton) has his own site too. Yes – JFK jr was apparently, considering a serious bid for Office, before his untimely death. Also of note: the evidence featured in this book (material formerly in the custody of JFK’s private secretary) was previously put up for auction in NYC.. it was displayed briefly for publicity, in a large extravagant building in NY, suffice to say, the current incumbent of the Oval Office knows it well…..!

165598 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to Harry hopkins, -10, #974 of 1099 🔗

Give his re-election up, he is completely toast. I think he has been a fine president in many respects, but he is completely finished. Politicians can survive a lot of things, but not pity. I hope he gets getter and has a nice retirement.

165631 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Harry hopkins, 3, #975 of 1099 🔗

I briefly caught the Groan’s coverage earlier. “Trump condition unclear”, “Untested treatments used”. They just can’t resist attacking him.

165636 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to DRW, 3, #976 of 1099 🔗

I’d have said being a guinea pig for an untested treatment showed leadership!

165665 ▶▶ annie, replying to Harry hopkins, 3, #977 of 1099 🔗

Never thought I’d be fervently praying for Trump his health, but necessity makes strange bedfellows…

165616 ▶▶ Paul, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #979 of 1099 🔗

FFS,that’s all I can say about that.

165593 Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #980 of 1099 🔗
165653 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to Mr Dee, #981 of 1099 🔗

Or just don’t download it.

DavidC

165729 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to DavidC, #982 of 1099 🔗

I’ve got it downloaded on my little Nokia.

165599 Basics, 2, #983 of 1099 🔗

Ireland
‘This is very important: 8 of the 10 deaths reported today occurred before September 2020.’ 3 oct

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1312442536481320961?s=20

165600 Tim, replying to Tim, 6, #984 of 1099 🔗

It’s conclusive! Local lockdowns cause infections to rise.

165651 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to Tim, #985 of 1099 🔗

Infections or positive test results?

DavidC

165691 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Tim, 2, #986 of 1099 🔗

Answer: Harder lockdowns!

165747 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to DRW, #987 of 1099 🔗

.

165610 Dan Clarke, 2, #988 of 1099 🔗

the rules that we have to follow although basic to us might not be in another country where sanitation and the opportunity to isolate is available but it doesnt appear to have made a difference.

165620 Basics, replying to Basics, 1, #989 of 1099 🔗

A short video looking at some of the ‘behind the scenes’ of the NHS app.

https://brandnewtube.com/v/PfGHxR

165637 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Basics, 3, #990 of 1099 🔗

Anna Brees tweeting a job advert for mass vaccinations in Wales…says ‘entire population’..
https://twitter.com/BreesAnna/status/1312486373891301377

165639 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Carrie, 2, #991 of 1099 🔗

Yes, but not the entire population of Wales.

From what I can make out “Cwm Taf Morgannwg” is the name of a health board in Brigend.

I think that the principle of “herd immunity” ought to apply in any event, which would mean that it is not necessary to vaccinate an entire population in order to eradicate a pathogen.

(I know, someone needs to tell Herr Hancock …)

165644 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to John P, 3, #992 of 1099 🔗

Entire population of that area sets a precedent for vaccinating entire populations of other areas. Why would you vaccinate everyone in only *one* area anyway? It makes no sense…

165654 ▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Carrie, 3, #993 of 1099 🔗

Well I would agree, but I’m not sure it it’s even an area. I think it’s just a university. Staff and students maybe?

I think the idea of mass vaccinations is a fairly old one.

So long as they’re not mandating (ie forcing) them I’m cautiously okay with it.

My thinking at the moment (sorry, I know I have said this several times this evening) is that “herd immunity” should apply to this situation as well, so it would never be necessary to have everyone take a vaccine to eradicate a particular virus.

That would mean that those who wish to decline the offer of a vaccine could do so without the vaccine zealots getting upset. Big pharma will no doubt be wanting everyone to have it though, more profit for them!

165666 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to John P, 4, #994 of 1099 🔗

They are planning a segregated society for us where those who have been vaccinated are ‘liberated’ while those who are not are to remain under ‘restricted’ living. See Elwood speech to parliament and following academic chit chat at bbc online.

Go back two weeks and devi the globalist did a five day stint of rubbishing herd immunity ending with an evening on questions with bruce on the bbc.

Regardless of what makes sense, a segregated society is being planned. A transitional period they may call it – for a year or so…

165681 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Basics, 5, #995 of 1099 🔗

Just been watching a video on youtube made by an African scientist, talking about how the Gates foundation are using Africans as ‘lab rats’ and mass testing the Oxford vaccine on them because they know the people are more and do not have access to legal services if anything goes wrong. She argues (justifiably) that the trials should be done in countries that have had more deaths..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJ0F3mgabBE&feature=emb_logo

165748 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Carrie, #996 of 1099 🔗

Thanks Carrie have sent on to some friends in Africa.

165682 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Basics, 3, #997 of 1099 🔗

Atlas Shrugged

165684 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Basics, 2, #998 of 1099 🔗

I’m sure they’d love that, but illegal under international law. The court cases alone would take thirty years to get through.

165686 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #999 of 1099 🔗

Hope so – Pfizer is already tweeting about a clear and ambitious vision for vaccination in the UK :
https://twitter.com/Pfizer_UK/status/1311931423465648129

165693 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Carrie, 1, #1000 of 1099 🔗

I’m sure they are. It’s what they are about.

165695 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #1001 of 1099 🔗

Trust this? Not me. We all know what’s coming.

Tobias Ellwood MP
@Tobias_Ellwood
Preparing for a NATIONAL (VOLUNTARY) VACCINE PROGRAMME

With a vaccine potentially 6 months away -let’s learn the lessons from PPE/testing & think ahead.

This is the largest logistical challenge in a generation. Let’s begin developing the detailed blueprint so we get this right.

165703 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Basics, 1, #1002 of 1099 🔗

No, you think you know. This is the problem with making assertations without evidence. It’s why I’m not on board with speculation. If you’re trying to win me over, I need evidence.

Somebody not even in the Cabinet opining in the HoC, or psychedelic websites don’t cut it sorry. Evidence, evidence, evidence. Data, data, data.

I have no doubt there are vested interests at work, and I don’t doubt your intentions, but not even mega corporations can just ignore international law on medical interventions simply for their own convenience, we have Josef Mengele to thank for that. There’s no getting around it.

165714 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #1003 of 1099 🔗

Here we go again Nick telling me what I think. Don’t. Forgive me for not reading the rest of your comment.

Coercion is coming. The tweet by Ellwood normalises a national roll out of an inappropriately tested vaccine that is fucking scandalous.

Don’t bother telling me what I think nick. I hope you understand.

165721 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Basics, #1004 of 1099 🔗

And you stop trying to convert me. Not interested.

165715 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Nick Rose, 6, #1005 of 1099 🔗

You might find this thread on Mike Yeadon’s Twitter interesting:
https://twitter.com/MichaelYeadon3/status/1312492066283249664

He quotes a little extract from an article in the New England Journal of medicine regarding Covid vaccines:
‘mandates should not be structured as compulsory vaccination (absolute requirements); instead, noncompliance should incur a penalty. Nevertheless, because of the infectiousness and dangerousness of the virus, relatively substantive penalties could be justified, including employment suspension or stay-at-home orders for persons in designated high-priority groups who refuse vaccination.’

Yeadon’s comment: This document, in my view, represents the kernel of the most severe assault on the rights of individuals to consent, or not, to what are essentially experimental medical interventions. Basically, if you refuse, on any grounds, you will be subject to indefinite house arrest.
I can’t believe I’m reading this in 2020. More like Germany, 1938.

165723 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Carrie, #1006 of 1099 🔗

I’ve read it. That’s medicals expressing their opinion. The legal guys will be all over it, as Yeadon himself pointed out yesterday.

165650 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Carrie, 2, #1007 of 1099 🔗

Using the same jobs website as Anna, I have also found jobs being offered for Covid vaccine trials in Powys, Cheadle and London starting later this year..

165655 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to arfurmo, 4, #1009 of 1099 🔗

So pretty much the most obvious and tragic attempt to save face…screw with the figures.
Losers

165680 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #1010 of 1099 🔗

Attempt to save the graph to the moon?

165647 Basics, 2, #1011 of 1099 🔗

This is new. Audible graphs to help the visually impaired. Scotland figures. Scroll to graphs then press the sound icon. Beep beep squeal.

8% case fatality rate seems questionable.

https://covid19.scottishtecharmy.org/

165648 Ryan, replying to Ryan, 42, #1012 of 1099 🔗

General feeling is more and more people seeing this for the nonsense it is.

Friday – Shopped in Morrisons sans mask as always and passed coppers on escalator who didn’t bat an eyelid at me even though I clearly drew their attention and was asking for confrontation. I glared at them and they looked away. Small victories.

I’ve handled out a a lot of self exempting tickets in meantime – bus queues seem particularly receptive – people hate masks and that’s where we can win.

Friday night in pub I heard a few young fellas speaking about the Trafalgar Square meet and the coppers reaction. Was like football was like back in the good old days – I did enjoy a good old ruck I have to say. Nice to hear their talk and the reaction of those listening. Didn’t mention I’d been there and seen the same. Just listened.

Saturday – Number one son made his Confirmation today. Church service nice but overly Covid conservative. The reaction of the church has been disappointing but they do have a lot of 70 plus priests so I suppose I can understand their reaction. Shield the at risk is reasonable.

Restaurant post service superb- no care about check in or track and trace or mingling with other families at other tables. Waitress asked how we all knew each other and when we said we were all from the same church she seemed quite happy for us to mix – benefit of Polish Catholic immigrants.

Best bit of night was manager actually thanking us for coming – we all spent hundreds of pounds each and it was a great occasion thanks to his sensible approach. I will go there again.

One of the fathers there tonight was actually a London copper. Nice fella. A family friend of mine. He does what he’s told. Which is fair enough. So do I in my job. But when push comes to shove, he knows it nonsense – don’t be scared of coppers enforcing this drivel on a day to day basis – they won’t.

Sunday – every intention of going to church, shopping and watching the Celtic game down the pub sans mask and doing what I fecking well want.

Stay Free.

ERS.

165660 ▶▶ annie, replying to Ryan, 15, #1013 of 1099 🔗

You comfort me, Ryan. Keep up the good work.
Congratulations to your son in his confirmation. Hope he will grow in faith in a better and more courageous church than the one we have now.

165683 ▶▶▶ Ryan, replying to annie, 7, #1014 of 1099 🔗

God bless you Ann. I’ve had conversations with priests and deacons about the situation and can to some extent understand their position. Having said that Easter should have been non negotiable in my book but people willing to give the benefit of doubt – Christmas is rebellion time if suppressed.

165704 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Ryan, 4, #1015 of 1099 🔗

My mother’s not been to Mass for six months. She’s reasonably okay about it, but I think the Church should be doing more.

165752 ▶▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Ryan, 9, #1016 of 1099 🔗

Sorry, but my stand is no sympathy for the clergy. If they actually believe the scriptures they purport to believe, they are but vessels to promote the word of Christ, and life on earth is but a journey to salvation, which is what they preach to us. So in what way should they be in fear of death. Their purpose is one only, to preach the word of God, so can we stop with the I understand why they did this or that. In the days of gross oppression in the communism of old, the massacre of orthodox Greeks, armenians, the most incredible priests emerged – they sacrificed their lives for their congregation and their love of God.Not one of the priests in this country, Catholic or Anglican have come close to one of those brave chaps, and I say that as a practicing Catholic, who actually now is not, as I no longer go to a Church, that engages in a ghastly shadow of the mass with sinister masks, it is wrong, plain and simple. Angry, yes by god I am, and our priest refuses to engage with any debate, he cannot even rebut my arguments. The church is an absolute disgrace – another part of the checks and balances that have grossly failed us.

165772 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Nsklent, -2, #1017 of 1099 🔗

“In the days of gross oppression in the communism of old,

Communism and Christianity have a lot in common : fine principles that have a record of being perverted for authoritarian control; full of contradiction in interpretation and often eating its own children.

165661 ▶▶ Jim Binks, replying to Ryan, 21, #1018 of 1099 🔗

Yet again broke lockdown rules today met with family in doors. All the woke folk this is the real deal if you want a legitimate fight then fight for our freedom.

165672 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Jim Binks, 10, #1019 of 1099 🔗

Am in a local mockdown area. Am ignoring it.

165705 ▶▶▶▶ Kath Andrews, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #1020 of 1099 🔗

Same here.

165707 ▶▶▶▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to Kath Andrews, 3, #1021 of 1099 🔗

Same here.

165710 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Kath Andrews, 3, #1022 of 1099 🔗

No way to live is it. Ignoring opression. You’re both fortunate to have the courage and confidence to ignore.

165677 ▶▶ Jenny, replying to Ryan, 14, #1023 of 1099 🔗

I see some hopeful signs too and it makes me braver. The guy who came to give me a quote for some electrical work was donning a mask and I told him that if he wanted to wear it then fine but definitely not to bother on my account because I thought it was all absurd. He whipped it off to reveal a huge grin and said he was thrilled to hear me say that because he agreed. Went on to say that his daughter has been so terrified by it that she was now on anti-depressants and that made him very angry. Previously, I was much more nervous about being open about my views but people are becoming more aware.

165687 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jenny, 8, #1024 of 1099 🔗

Three tradesmen this week on different days. No mention of masks or weird distancing dances. Interactions were completely old normal. I paid them cash too!

165694 ▶▶▶ Ryan, replying to Jenny, 4, #1025 of 1099 🔗

I’m not scared to pin my colours to the mast to such an extent I am becoming a crushing bore according to my wife. On Friday night I had to apologise and ‘put money behind the bar’ as means of an apology for telling the bar maid she looked like a fecking half wit for wearing a face screen. She did though. But it wasn’t her choosing as was pointed out to me. mea culpa.

165668 DavidC, 4, #1026 of 1099 🔗

Been out briefly this evening, including to Morrisons. I was the only unmasked person there (it feels so liberating!), no challenges and saw one staff member with the muzzle round his neck until he saw me and pulled it up over his mouth and nose (why?).

I also saw several discarded masks outisde on the ground – thanks nice people.

DavidC

165669 Basics, replying to Basics, 1, #1027 of 1099 🔗

The Scotsman

“Leading infectious disease expert Hugh Pennington calls for ‘mandatory’ testing of all Scots care home staff as some decline tests despite threat of more Covid-19 transmission in winter
Leading public health and infectious disease experts have called for “mandatory” coronavirus testing for all care home staff across Scotland with the possibility of higher virus transmission this winter, as it emerged some staff have been declining tests.”

https://www.scotsman.com/health/leading-infectious-disease-expert-hugh-pennington-calls-mandatory-testing-all-scots-care-home-staff-some-decline-tests-despite-threat-more-covid-19-transmission-winter-2991772

165674 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Basics, 1, #1028 of 1099 🔗

“Professor Bauld said: “Repeat testing of care home workers, and where appropriate, NHS staff, is an important element of reducing the risk that older and more vulnerable adults will be exposed to the virus and become unwell. This is an approach that is being widely used in other countries now, so not unique to Scotland or the UK.

“It would be concerning if staff were declining these tests and if that is the case, the reasons for it need to be investigated and addressed. My own view is that it should be required, but handled sensitively and the needs of staff listened to and taken into account.”

The article points out half of Svottish deaths occured in carehomes. It doesn’t point out the seeding of carehomes by nhs hospital clearing covid positive paitents into carehomes. Sturgeon has refused to investigate the matter, because investigating deaths can wait she says.

165675 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Basics, 1, #1029 of 1099 🔗

Sounds like advertising for BJ’s moonshot programme….

165689 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Carrie, #1030 of 1099 🔗

Yes I agree. Bauld seems unaware the test is unreliable this is concerning. One argument about face masks crosses over to the testing – increase in risk taking behaviour because of perception of safety provided by intervention.

165727 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Basics, #1031 of 1099 🔗

I can see why care homes don’t want to subject their staff to weekly invasive tests.

165678 reason, replying to reason, 7, #1032 of 1099 🔗

Mind boggling! A massive cock up with the “cases” statistics on the Covid Dashboard. A “technical issue” apparently…

165696 ▶▶ Thinkaboutit, replying to reason, 3, #1033 of 1099 🔗

You mean, they need more time to make up dross for the Monday press briefing.

165698 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to reason, 2, #1034 of 1099 🔗

More than 12,000 today! I’m really hoping the technical issue means a backlog has suddenly been dumped onto today’s count… Can’t see how it could have doubled overnight.

165701 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1035 of 1099 🔗

Well it can’t. Not that it means very much anyway, as Carl Heneghan and others have been keen to point out.

A positive test is just that. It is not a “case” and it is not an “infection”.

A bloke I’ve never heard of on Sky named Conway has been wetting himself over it though. Or having an orgasm. Hard to tell really.

165761 ▶▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to John P, #1036 of 1099 🔗

Bet he had a h*rd on…

165711 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1037 of 1099 🔗

Yes – that’s pretty much what happened. Worldometers have recorded 7k cases for to-day and distributed the rest across several days (weeks).

The overall trend is largely unchanged. If you use SPECIMEN date rather than the reported date, September 24th is currently the ‘local’ peak.

165720 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Mayo, 1, #1038 of 1099 🔗

Phew! Otherwise I could see Hancock’s tweet going out at 2345 tonight throwing us all back into lockdown… Cases are doubling daily!

165702 ▶▶ John P, replying to reason, #1039 of 1099 🔗

So they say.

165685 Basics, 4, #1040 of 1099 🔗

Google always happy to provide a covid dashboard of deaths by country has a bit of a glitch.

Scotland covid deaths
Cases 30, 687
Recoveries 4, 282
Deaths 2,526

That a hell of a lot of people not recovered and not dead with covid.

The numbers don’t tie to the Scot Gov numbers, why would they?
https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-daily-data-for-scotland/

I might start making up my own numbers, you might like to too. Don’t feel left out. Witty and Vallance at it as well.

Thoroughly untrustables.

165688 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 11, #1041 of 1099 🔗

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-more-than-half-of-us-are-reusing-disposable-masks-and-others-arent-being-washed-much-12087965

In addition to the main observation, the following is noted concerning disposable masks:

“the report says those that are binned incorrectly could also pose a risk for those who handle waste,”

Isn’t virtue signalling wonderful

165690 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #1042 of 1099 🔗

That’s what happens when your strategy mimics an extreme case of OCD.

165706 Basics, replying to Basics, 3, #1043 of 1099 🔗

This is just a strange bit of trivia, it may have already been posted long ago.

BBC Survivors 1975. I’m sure any self respecting sceptic is now aware of the series.

What has me puzzelled is a youtube videos from 8 YEARS AGO asking ‘ Did BBC Survivors predict 2020?’ The video has a few random scenes from the series and nothing more. It’s just really strange can anyone point out what I might have missed? 8 years ago suggesting 2020. Just luck or is there a clever trick at work?
https://youtu.be/GH6us7DLaRk

165717 ▶▶ John P, replying to Basics, 2, #1044 of 1099 🔗

I don’t really think it’s either.

I expect that much of what governments have done this year they have done on the basis of protocols that were mooted many years ago.

I think it is very likely that they have had plans such as these on the shelf ready for the eventuality of a global plague.

If you gathered together a group of people and asked them to come up with ideas of how you might deal with a global plague then they would probably think of a lot of the things that have happened this year: lockdowns, masks, social distancing, etc.

They might have have watched dramas such as this and thought, “masks?, what a good idea, why didn’t I think of that …”

This isn’t a global plague, but they’ve now pressed the “nuclear” button to trigger all of these responses and we are now enduring it.

I can predict that it will soon rain and I can also predict that I will be driving my car tomorrow. That doesn’t make me a fortune teller.

165724 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to John P, #1045 of 1099 🔗

I understand what you are saying John. I am not sure I explained myself clearly.

Survivors written by Terry Nation for the Bbc in 1975 is sci fi imaginings based on sound scientific ideas and then dramatised inyo a story. All fine totally get it. Predict the weather tomorrow yes.

What my curiosity is about is a random youtube video posted 8 years ago in 2012 asks did the 1975 series predict 2020?
That’s odd. Why not 2022 or another date? Just a coincidence maybe. I wondered if the coincidence has already been spotted and a simply explanation given.

I’m not suggesting the 1975 series predicted 2020. Someone in 2012 asked that question.

165726 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Basics, 1, #1046 of 1099 🔗

Well, I agree, you make a fair point. I don’t know!

I’m always wary of reading a lot into these things.

165730 ▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to John P, #1047 of 1099 🔗

BTW, Terry Nation is well known to all Dr Who fans as the “inventor” of the Daleks.

165736 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to John P, 1, #1048 of 1099 🔗

He had a knack for daily life sci fi, not off world. Kitchen sink sci fi. Maybe thats where the egg wisk and plunger look came from.. though I suspect at least one LS will know the precise detail of how the darlek look came to be.

Survivors is quite informative about human co operation in parts. Reflective of LS in some ways. Total strangers with different viiews and goals having to relate to each other to survive.

165731 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to John P, 1, #1049 of 1099 🔗

Yeah. Not reading into it. Given the chat on here I thought someone wise might have a good explanation ready to go. No such luck – I’ll have to learn to ignore the oddity!

165738 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Basics, #1050 of 1099 🔗

I don’t know, maybe the guy had some reason to choose 2020. I would expect it’s just a coincidence.

(He’s probably feeling very pleased with himself now though …)

165742 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to John P, #1051 of 1099 🔗

I would be. I shall sleep better John knowing I can rest on it being just a coincidence. Phew!

165741 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Basics, #1052 of 1099 🔗

Just had another thought.

Is it possible that he originally posted it in 2012, but then more recently edited the blurb to ask if it had predicted 2020?

I don’t post stuff on youtube, so I don’t know if you can do that, but it would possibly explain it.

165744 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to John P, #1053 of 1099 🔗

That’s the kind of trick I wondered myself. It’s a sly way to make a wind up if so.

165739 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Basics, 2, #1054 of 1099 🔗

I haven’t looked at the video in your link but they did remake Survivors in 2008 and it ran until 2010. As I recall it ended ambiguously as though they expected to make another series but it got cancelled.

I also recall not building up a great deal of character empathy because in one way or another they all behaved like a bunch of fuckwits.

165740 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to The Filthy Engineer, #1055 of 1099 🔗

Not watched the remake for the very reasons you give – bbc drama has been exceptionally unwatchable for two decades or so.

The 1975 original is a crude production by modern standards by shot on location which is fascinating as it roams rural Britain, characters are developed even if the acting is sometimes no so polished – my preference.

My point though was about the strange 2012 youtube video that asks if the 1975 series predicted 2020? Inexplicable.

165745 ▶▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Basics, 1, #1056 of 1099 🔗

Right after posting I had a look your link. My best guess is that the uploader has been back and edited the title in light of current events. Ignore my comment about the remake. I had misunderstood your question.

165746 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to The Filthy Engineer, #1057 of 1099 🔗

John P has had the same thought, I did too before posting so thats three suggestions for the same possibility. Just need someone to say it’s tevhnically possible to change the title and mystery sloved!

165712 Julian, replying to Julian, 34, #1058 of 1099 🔗

We’re currently in Stockholm

Bloody marvellous

No masks, no track and trace, not much distancing, minimal Covid hygiene measures

People out in big groups, night in full swing at nearly midnight, singing, dancing, not much of a police presence

I get the impression of a more adult society- government treats people as adults, adults expect the government to behave like adults

165716 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Julian, 3, #1059 of 1099 🔗

Nice one Julian. Keep an eye out for a heron fishing next to the palace – it likes an evening fish in the glare of the street lights!

165722 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Basics, 1, #1060 of 1099 🔗

Will do

No herons yet but have been accosted by a merry Swede not afraid to get up close and personal

165725 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Julian, #1061 of 1099 🔗

Even better!

165719 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Julian, 7, #1062 of 1099 🔗

Great to hear. We are all Swedes now.

Contrast that to the comments section here today. Mass vaccines, mask bullying, Serco, dodgy data and Trump ill. The UK is in a very dark place right now.

165733 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Julian, 1, #1063 of 1099 🔗

Glad you’re enjoying it over here 🙂

165897 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Julian, #1064 of 1099 🔗

Sounds like bloody bliss. I have a third cousin once removed living out there who I’ve only met once. I wonder if he’d put me up for six months?

165718 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 10, #1065 of 1099 🔗

Went to M&S today, big store – no mask. And no problems. Just sharing.

165751 ▶▶ Kath Andrews, replying to Leemc23, #1066 of 1099 🔗

These kinds of updates are always helpful 😊 👍

165763 ▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Kath Andrews, 1, #1067 of 1099 🔗

I’ve stopped saying “I’m exempt”… I’m trialling “I’m excused”. If there is a further question coming I say “I’ve got a note from my Mum”. Sweep in through the confusion.

165732 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1068 of 1099 🔗

This is from the Guardian. So they can’t help with masks work narrative but when you look at the those highlighted as positive, looks like half are wearing masks. It’s ridiculous pandering.

Of course, they are about protecting others so I am probably just ranting

165737 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1069 of 1099 🔗

Whoever put that picture together has far too much time on their hands! Useless speculation at its finest.

165755 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to A. Contrarian, #1070 of 1099 🔗

I’m baffled how they caught it outside as people on crowded beaches were fine. I’m thinking they may all have been crowded in a room together before the event or are people usually mixing with each other.

165894 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1071 of 1099 🔗

A better key to this is needed. It looks to me as only those highlighted in red tested positive- five altogether. Only one of whom was wearing a mask.

But I can only count six people altogether wearing a mask* – out of what? nigh on a hundred people?

So one out of six mask wearers were infected. (17%)

As opposed to four out 80+ non-mask wearers. (5% or less)

But, of course, not all those tested positive have probably been identified,

What an excellent opportunity to test the thesis that make work!

*There’s two way at the back.

165735 A. Contrarian, #1072 of 1099 🔗

Am I right that the Covid ZOE study/app is purely symptom based with no need for confirmation by a positive PCR test? I’ve read their guff but it’s not very clear. If so surely it’s mostly just tracking common colds and flu, plus it’s encouraging people to report every symptom under the sun that they think might be covid related…

165756 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to calchas, 1, #1074 of 1099 🔗

Very sinister as with everything else they’ve orchestrated they will get away with this Scot free.

165750 John P, replying to John P, 25, #1075 of 1099 🔗

“Is it OK to occasionally admit to being so fed up with the signs, and the arrows, and the protocols and the one way systems and the patronising missives, and not being trusted and the isolation and the lack of any hope of an end to it?

I want to be on a train with a drunk football crowd, I just want to be jostled. I want to grin at a baby in a pram, I want to hug my friends, I want to whisper In a colleague‘s ear. I want to walk through a bar trying not to spill drinks, I want not to feel guilty all the time.”

– Kirstie Allsopp, 2 October 2020

165754 ▶▶ CGL, replying to John P, #1076 of 1099 🔗

It wouldn’t be ok or human not to feel like that Kirstie.

165753 PompeyJunglist, replying to PompeyJunglist, 4, #1077 of 1099 🔗

Thank goodness I’ve found some sane people!

I adhere to social distancing and wash my hands regularly, these being scientifically proven to limit the spread of Covid. The rest of the measures and rules I now ignore as I believe they are wholly disproportionate to the problem and will do more harm than good to our collective health and well being.

We have a scientifically illiterate, corrupt, incompetent and authoritarian government that refuses to disclose its aims or any evidence to back up their arbitrary, society destroying decisions. They’ve chosen to rule by edict, avoiding debate or scrutiny at every possible turn. Why on earth should I show willing and meekly go along with that level of BS?

I will not play a part in perpetuating and lending credence to their dystopian nightmare, one which is inflicting far more damage to the health of the nation than Covid ever could. One where as the threat from the disease recedes, the fines, laws and curtailment of freedoms increase.

In fact I feel morally obliged to push back against their unique blend of evil and stupidity. I hope more people wake up and do so in due course before it’s too late. Happily I think the tide is finally turning.

I did wear a mask for a few months but now I feel deeply ashamed for having done so. I see kids wandering around alone in them, people driving in their cars wearing them, people dehumanised and atomised, warily viewing others as a hospital sentence. The fall out from this will be immense and I’m embarrassed to have played a part in sustaining this climate of fear. But no more.

Some may consider my stance irresponsible but I am genuinely motivated by what I consider to be in the Nation’s best interests. That means this repellent and dangerous government, which refuses to share its aims yet alone debate them, must be countered whenever it comes up with arbitrary, unevidenced edicts that would make a despot blush.

165811 ▶▶ TJN, replying to PompeyJunglist, #1078 of 1099 🔗

Welcome aboard! New page up now, so most commentary will have moved to there.

165757 Draper233, replying to Draper233, 4, #1079 of 1099 🔗

Just read a Covid death study by epidemiologist Veena Raleigh and this is interesting:

About 23,500 excess deaths occurred at home from early March to 7 August compared with the 2015–19 average, of which about 2,500 were Covid-19 deaths. Unlike deaths in other settings, a relatively small proportion (10 per cent) of the excess deaths at home were coded as Covid-1 9

I’m interpreting this as meaning 21,000 excess deaths at homes which have no mention of Covid-19 as a cause of death. This is indicative of how damaging the effects of lockdown measures and a Covid-only NHS service have been.

165758 ▶▶ Draper233, replying to Draper233, 2, #1080 of 1099 🔗

Another interesting part relates to care home deaths:

About 26,500 excess deaths occurred in care homes from early March to 7 August compared with the 2015–19 average, of which about 15,500 were Covid-19 deaths.

So that’s another 11,000 excess deaths not relating to Covid. To be balanced, she does speculate that this could be down to a later testing roll out and underreporting, which are feasible.

That said, as deaths from Covid are shockingly low compared to with Covid (CDC estimate just 6% for the former) , it is also fair to say we don’t know how many people with serious health problems died prematurely because of suddenly being plunged into fear, loneliness and stress, especially if not fully understanding the situation (dementia/alzheimer’s are already known as key comorbidities), in addition to inadequate care and conditions within care homes.

165760 ColoradoGirl, #1082 of 1099 🔗

Speaking of more pointless COVID measures at universities, my daughter is a freshman music major. Since all orchestras and concert bands have been cancelled, she was assigned to three woodwind quintets. Each group is allowed only 30 minutes of practice time per week, outside. The temperature and humidity have to be within a certain range or they are forced to rehearse over Zoom, a completely fruitless exercise.

165762 Basics, replying to Basics, 3, #1083 of 1099 🔗

Crimes Against Humanity
https://youtu.be/kr04gHbP5MQ

50 minutes – a really important watch.

Dr. Reiner Fuellmich is a consumer protection trial lawyer in Germany and California. He is one of four members of the German Corona Investigative Committee.

165767 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Basics, 4, #1084 of 1099 🔗

This needs to be up above the line and pinned there. It is huge. It is the international legal case for taking apart the crime. Essential for every LS regular to view – a complete history of the fraud in clear terms.

Watch and share. This is good. Exceptionally good.

166032 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Basics, #1085 of 1099 🔗

Has someone sent it to Simon Dolan, just in case he has missed it?

165764 John P, replying to John P, 3, #1086 of 1099 🔗

Just to follow up on a discussion I was having here earlier regarding the advertisement by Michael Dickie, Head of the Project Management Office of the Cwm Taf Morgannwg Health Board in South Wales for a project manager to help vaccinate the area’s entire population as part of it’s covid management strategy, as publicised by Anna Brees and Michael Yeadon.

I thought that this was perhaps just a university, but in fact the area covers a considerable chunk of the old county of Glamorgan and serves around 450,000 people.

I decided to e-mail Mr Dickie and I asked him why he was for advertising such a post when a covid vaccine was not even currently available, and may not be available for some time, if at all.

I also asked him if he was intending to deploy the police to force such a vaccine on those who were unwilling to take it (should one become available), pointing out that this would be currently (and I certainly hope it will remain) illegal.

165769 ▶▶ Basics, replying to John P, 2, #1087 of 1099 🔗

You might like to send him the link to this:

Dr. Reiner Fuellmich is a consumer protection trial lawyer in Germany and California. He is one of four members of the German Corona Investigative Committee.

https://youtu.be/kr04gHbP5MQ

It might shock him to understand just what his actions are complicit in, unknowingly so.

165765 Jenny, 13, #1088 of 1099 🔗

Phone call from son’s boarding prep school. Pupils are permitted to wear masks in common areas. Very few do. Son and Some of his friends have been doing fake coughing near the mask wearers, referring to them as “wetties” and generally mocking them. Hence son and friends are on “no privs” whatever that means. I am the proud mummy.

165766 jim j, replying to jim j, 6, #1089 of 1099 🔗

Testing … this is my last two weeks –
5 tests : -, +, +, -, –
Similar results across 60 staff.

There are what, 230k tests happening daily, nationally?
The error rate in these is way higher than they say.

165770 ▶▶ Basics, replying to jim j, 2, #1090 of 1099 🔗

45 cycles. Intended to give eroneous positives. Isn’t it widely known that such a high number of cycles will cause massive nunbers of errors?

Watch the court case develop
https://youtu.be/kr04gHbP5MQ

165771 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Basics, 1, #1091 of 1099 🔗

Encouraging, but I am not going to pin my hopes on legal cases. The reset will not just take down our economies, but the entire edifice of civilisation as we know it. I still think it is ultimately going to come down to what each of us are able to do to protect ourselves individually. Do not trust anyone.

165775 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Richard O, #1092 of 1099 🔗

Give it a listen richard. Regardless of your thoughts about the likely success. You will not regret listening to the whole thing laid bare.

I feel really strongly that this is perhaps the single best point of counter we have to date. Not because its going to win – it absolutely should – but because it documents so explicitly the crimes of the thing. One by one. You get a full grasp on what has been done by who and how.

165773 ▶▶ RickH, replying to jim j, #1093 of 1099 🔗

Absolute garbage.

… and well documented to be so.

165774 Mark, replying to Mark, 8, #1094 of 1099 🔗

‘Inhumane, degrading, inexplicable’: Britain’s Covid care home policies ‘violated the fundamental human rights of vulnerable elderly residents’, Amnesty International report finds comment image
EXCLUSIVE: The measures exposed elderly residents to the virus and then, crucially, blocked them from receiving life-saving medical care. And ultimately this led to tens of thousands of deaths, according to the Amnesty International analysis, shared exclusively with The Mail on Sunday, ahead of publication. The report will show, starkly, that Ministers ‘knew from the outset’ that Covid-19 posed an exceptional danger to the 400,000 residents of UK care homes, many of whom are frail and live with multiple health conditions. But while claiming time and again that the need to protect them was at the very heart of policy, what actually happened was quite the opposite. Homes were ‘overwhelmed’ by infections and older people were subjected to ‘inhuman and degrading’ treatment. The review paints the Government as ‘directly responsible’ and lays bare a litany of failures and sinister edicts that resulted in tragedy. Left, a care home resident in Selston. Top right, Geoffrey Ward, who was ‘denied’ medical treatment by care home staff who ‘wrote him off’ when he developed a cough. Bottom right, a careworker with an elderly woman in Elstree. Inset, two elderly people.

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Not the front page of a niche dissent site – this is the Daily Mail, Home page, continuing its new role as the leading UK mainstream media speaker of truth to power. At the time of posting, no sign of this story on the BBC’s much touted news site.

165776 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Mark, 7, #1095 of 1099 🔗

And here’s the story right below that one. All in all, not what the government wants o see prominently displayed on the leading daily newspaper website:

Neil Ferguson’s doomsday prediction of 510,000 COVID deaths went unchallenged by Chris Whitty and Patrick Vallance – despite warnings it was 12 TIMES too high as No.10 panicked into lockdown comment image
Investigative author Tom Bower tells how a critical meeting of the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE) on February 25 was presented with the ‘reasonable worst-case scenario’ from Professor Ferguson under which 80 per cent of Britons would be infected and the death-toll would be 510,000 people. The author writes: ‘This was an improvement on Ferguson’s earlier assessment that between 2 per cent and 3 per cent would die – up to 1.5 million deaths. Neither [Patrick] Vallance nor [Chris] Whitty (pictured left) outrightly challenged Ferguson’s model or predictions. By contrast, in a series of messages from Michael Levitt, a Stanford University professor who would correctly predict the pandemic’s initial trajectory, Ferguson was warned that he had overestimated the potential death toll by ‘ten to 12 times’.’

165782 ▶▶ BobT, replying to Mark, 4, #1096 of 1099 🔗

UK based Amnesty International is the most powerful rights organisation in the world. They usually spend their time defending the rights of those people who have been imprisoned or oppressed by totalitarian or tyrannical states worldwide. The fact that they now have to act in their own country says an awful lot about where we are.

165777 Caramel, #1097 of 1099 🔗

Things are so rubbish in Victoria that sometimes I get jealous that you guys don’t have to wear masks everywhere and can have exemption cards. And that you can eat out. The useless CHO isn’t even permitting people who live in the country to not wear masks in heatwaves, despite no recorded cases there.

165844 Tempest John, #1098 of 1099 🔗

The farce continues! Two of our grandchildren aged 13 and 3 were sent home from school and pre school. One with slight cough and the little one with a “fever” and had to be tested before being allowed back. This meant a 80 mile round trip for one and a distressing poke up the nose and throat for the 3 year old. Both were negative as we knew they would be. Multiply this by hundreds of thousands and we see how the public think the virus is everywhere! Only one person we know has tested positive, not surprising as he works in A and E!

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