2020-10-06

Good update! Always feel like the tide is turning when I see freshly pressed scepticism.

Doesn’t always last, but still… thank you those of you working on and contributing to the site, and thank you to the fellow commentators, you’re all first in my eyes!

Dissenting scientists issue Covid-19 herd immunity declaration

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Freddie Sayers talks to eminent epidemiologists Dr Sunetra Gupta, Dr Jay Bhattacharya and Dr. Martin Kulldorff, who met in Massachusetts to sign a declaration calling for a different global response to the pandemic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rz_Z7Gf1aRE
https://unherd.com/2020/10/covid-experts-there-is-another-way/

youtube com watch?v=rz_Z7Gf1aRE

Read the full declaration here : https://unherd.com/2020/10/covid-expe ..

The more that sign this worldwide the better. It attempts to put forward a model that may be acceptable to Governments to stop all the lockdowns and measures. It does mention vaccines (which I am opposed to) but in a much more moderate way.

it may have borne fruit already with the Irish govt rejection of a full lockdown

Fingers crossed – or were they just sabre-rattling in the first place?

Signed it yesterday.

hopefully the two mooted parliamentary votes re rule of six and the 10PM curfew will be a measure of the tide finally turning.
I am hopeful about the 10pm curfew but I suspect it will be a trade off against keeping masks indoors and table service.

the curfew vote was pulled – so much for parliamentary scrutiny.

Yes, you’ve just voiced my feelings! Been feeling very up and down the last few days but today feels different. I really appreciate all the work that has gone into Lockdown Sceptics, from Toby Young, all the contributors, and the commentators. Reading this site every morning gives me hope and keeps me sane. Thanks to all.

This is the Country Boris Johnson has created. <
Comforting a grieving widow by her two sons is banned at a funeral.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wchPE4ujaZI youtube com/watch?v=wchPE4ujaZI

STOP!” National Disgrace – Unedited It’s Come To This…

If you see the tide going out, expect a mega-tsunami.

Forward this to you MP – it might seem pointless, I understand, but it’s better than doing nothing.

When killing people is Government policy
By
Peter Lloyd Conservative Woman
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October 6, 2020

NO Conservative Prime Minister can survive if he or she is taking decisions that are contrary to the interests of most people in the country. The Covid-19 measures which Boris Johnson is forcing on the public are clearly against those interests, and worse is being planned.

The health, education, employment, finances and social and mental wellbeing of the population is being destroyed for the illusory goal of stopping the spread of a coronavirus that is essentially harmless to 99 per cent of the population, and lethal almost exclusively to the elderly with serious underlying medical conditions, as are many strains of seasonal flu.

Much of the damage being wreaked is disguised by the Chancellor’s furlough scheme and other taxpayer-funded handouts, but revealed through an explosion of government debt which will have severe negative consequences for all of us, particularly future generations.

The ramping-up of virus tests with the dubious PCR (Polymerase Chain Reaction) methodology is inevitably showing more ‘cases’ which in reality may be just harmless fragments of the Covid-19 (or other) coronavirus RNA that can’t be transmitted to others. These are not infections and certainly not illnesses. The bar on proof of infection is too low.

The government refuses to acknowledge that this increase in cases is largely due to the increased testing, and allows the message to embed in the surrounding narrative that a positive test – which may also be a false positive – is equivalent to being ill when the overwhelming majority of those who are Covid-19 positive don’t become ill, let alone die. It is in the business of exaggeration and fearmongering along with most of the mainstream media.

The most important measure of what is happening medically is surely the number of deaths that can be attributed, to a greater or lesser extent, to Covid-19. The graph below from the Office for National Statistics (taken from the ‘Lockdown Sceptics’ latest newsletter) gives the up-to-date figures, showing that Covid-19 attributed deaths since June are running well below those of flu/pneumonia, and that the total weekly UK death numbers from these lung-related infections are running in line with the five-year average.

As fast as the numbers of those seriously ill, and the daily death toll from the virus, are declining, the risk of other undiagnosed and untreated serious illnesses and deaths is rising because of the lockdown mentality still affecting the NHS and other public services, encouraged by government.

On Saturday 66 GPs wrote to the Health Secretary, Matt Hancock, urging him to treat non-Covid deaths as equal to those from Covid. The doctors know that this is not happening at present. For reasons of projecting an image of action and having illusory control over the path of the virus, only Covid deaths matter to the government.

The doctors’ letter reports that there have been more than 30,000 excess deaths in private homes since March, but fewer than one in ten are caused by Covid-19. They are also concerned that ‘the pandemic has resulted in an inflation of acute cardiovascular deaths, most of which did not relate to Covid-19’. They also point to a report suggesting that child suicide rates increased during lockdown and, for these doctors, harm should be measured as more than Covid deaths.

There is so little pressure from the Conservative Party, MPs and the media for the government to act rationally and in the interest of the country as a whole that the government doesn’t feel it has to explain why non-Covid-19 deaths and serious untreated illnesses don’t matter. It has a monomaniacal obsession with Covid-19 which demonstrates how unaccountable the government is to the overall public interest. There is no rigour left in our system of parliamentary and public accountability, which needs a major overhaul.

Far more people are dying because of the government’s measures than are being saved by them. The wholesale destruction of society is taking place for no significant gain in health or mortality and it is government policy.
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A little factoid from the US as of Sept 6th:

In 2020 the total death number in the US versus 2017’s total death number was 952,398 shy of hitting 2017 death toll. That amounts to 33.9% left of the total to equal the 2017 numbers. With 118 days left in the year which is 32.3% of the year left it looks like a similar outcome to 2017.

At that point the US would’ve needed 18 weeks at current death rates to equal the overall death toll from 2017 whilst there were only 16 weeks remaining.

However, the stat is even more interesting in that here in 2020 the overall population is higher than it was in 2017 so as an overall percentage of population this year’s death total is even lower than stated above.

Another untidy factoid the disproves the sacred screed of the Covid True Believers is that in the US this year’s increase in mortality is 1.12%, similar to last years. However that rate is lower than the previous 5 years before last year.

Let’s also keep in mind the US had 20 straight year’s of mortality rate decreases until 2008- economic recession. Since then we have had 12 straight years of increases with, again, this year’s decidedly not any different than the previous 11 years.

No pandemic.

The majority of the elderly people who died didn’t even die of the virus but it’s being chalked off as a “Covid” death to keep the Covid death count high, the fearmongering going and the $$$ coming in. These are old people with a wide variety of multiple serious medical conditions. They’re are on multiple toxic medical drugs that cause serious adverse reactions. Many were in and out of the ER & urgent care departments well before the arrival of this new virus. They’re dying from pneumonia, COPD, cancers, cardiovascular diseases, adverse reactions to toxic medical drugs, etc . Some of them died from complications of being put on a ventilator when they didn’t need to.

There’s BIG money at stake here. More dough on sliding scale is given to the hospitals for a Covid admission, a Covid ICU hospitalization and a Covid death. That’s why everything these days is chalked off to Covid. And hospitals are starving for $$$ – this a great scheme to improve your revenue and not be in the red all the time.

Have you got a source for that mortality data? I would like to share it.

Which part- here’s macrotrends:

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/death-rate

I have no idea where your data has come from, but it bares little resemblance to the official mortality data. You are welcome to explore it here – a viewer from mortality.org short-term fluctuations data.

https://mpidr.shinyapps.io/stmortality/

One of the most ridiculous charts I’ve seen on all of this and that’s saying something.

You need to look at context and trends. That idiotic site does neither.

Go here and look at overall growth rates:

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/death-rate

You do know that the source of that data is the US govt? Its just a simple way of viewing the data from the https://www.mortality.org/ database. Along with 40 other countries. Broken down by age with historic reference data. Which does not look like the above plot. As for a historic view, by all means look back. But for modern perspective 10 years is reasonable. The database is the official data from each government provided by their respective agency. The ONS are collaborators.

How are things at 77th Brigade?

Let’s hope the tide is turning – ffs – what other hope is there ?

A small step featured in todays Local Live, a full article about an independent food retailer announcing that they ‘would allow’ customers to remove masks and that the staff were not wearing them either.
There followed a succinct summary of why wearing masks is useless. The proprietor reported that 95% of customers gratefully removed their masks.
The only kickback being a standard rehash of the law at the end of the piece.

This eoushing for masks are in the very small minority. As soon as mandates or perceived laws around them are clearly removed and people can decide for themselves what to wear on their face, off they come. And it’s the key reason why they will never work, you need 100% compliance and harsh enforcement to even stand a chance.

Even with 100% compliance, masks have no proven effectiveness in preventing the spread of airborne respiratory diseases. Then of course, there is the downside of mask wearing and more bad news is building up here. Masks are being worn either by fools and collaborators.

Rowan, Saying only fools or collaborators wear masks is a false dichotomy.
I think gaslighted/brainwashed is one reason, if their only news source is The Guardian or the BBC their probably still hiding under the bed. There are the virtue signallers (closer to collaborators) and then their are the folk who just follow rules, even if they disagree with them.

Most of us on this site would probably be diagnosed with oppositional defiant disorder (one of the many fabricated mental illness’s) or something similar, if the pseduo psychologists and big pharma had their way, and be put on some kind of medication. We are the ones that are different (scepticism is quite rare) and it is down to us to try and educate the poor deluded souls.

Those that rely on the BBC and/or Guardian as their main news sources are patently fools. Nothing too controversial about that.

I am afraid I have to disagree with you. For the first time this week in The Netherlands I saw more muzzled people than muzzle-free in the shops. Wearing of masks in shops is “strongly recommended” by the government but they stopped short of making it mandatory (for now). I thought that Holland (btw I’m not Dutch) was an oasis of sanity in this global BS but boy was I proven wrong. The once rebellious, rule-breaking Dutch have turned into sheeple like the rest of Europe. All it took was a misleading “cases” graph from Rutte on prime time TV. It pains me to see young people, men and women in their prime looking pathetic with the diapers on their faces and the irrational fear in their eyes. I have never worn a mask and I am beyond furious at what awaits us in one of the cradles of democracy slowly turning into a communist dystopia. How long are these villains disguised as governments going to destroy everything we hold dear, anything that makes life worth living before we all fight back and hang them from lampposts?? Is it true that that the darkest hour is just before dawn?

Interesting. So it’s fear and social stigma. So maybe I have over estimated the thinking capabilities of the general population.

In that case I would say that as soon as people are told the truth, off they come. Scary graphs and casedemic fear mongering is criminal behaviour

It’s terrorism.

I think many people won’t believe the truth even when it’s clear as daylight. Having been mongered with fear it will take a long time for them to realize the truth.

Lord Haw Haw was hanged in 1946 for “broadcasting propaganda”, and he wasn’t even a full British citizen.

The law only says that face nappies must be worn by shop staff if they can’t maintain “a reasonable distance” from the customers.

Direct quotes from fourth graders today:

“They ruined recess, there’s nothing to do. They took away our basketball, wall ball and our soccer ball. We’re just suppose to sit around.”

“I would rather do anything but go to recess.”

“They’re trying to ruin our self-esteem.”

We are bearing witness to massive institutionalized child abuse.

I approached a grade school as masked up kids were letting out and stopped my car the middle of a crosswalk, rolled down my window and yelled at the masked up crossing guard, “Putting a mask on these young children is a form of child abuse, it’s disgusting.” He did not agree- shook his head.

Turned the corner and there was a young couple walking their young child of no more than 6 or 7 and all of them wearing masks. I yelled at them also telling them they were “abusing their child, what is wrong with them.” The father said, “Calm down” and I replied, “No one should be calm when they see kids being abused.”

Some days you can really see how f**ing hideous all of this is.

What part of Lalalooneyland are you in, Alien?

It’s probably a place near you. I see this sort of stupidity nearly everyday and like Allen I sometimes vent my wrath on those brain dead people who are imposing this nonsense on young children. Proper blame though, should be directed at the treasonous Johnson and Hancock, who have already murdered tens of thousands of our fellow citizens, in their morbid desire to comply with Bill Gates’s genocidal vaccine agenda. Of course, there are many others who share the guilt, but we need to start at the top, as Johnson and Hancock are looking to repeat their crimes this winter. This pair of serial killers have massively outdone, even the evil Dr Shipman and they both should be clapped in irons forthwith.

As a counterbalance, I was on a double-decker bus yesterday and could see, over a high wall, primary school kids playing outside. Maybe 50 of them in groups in organised team games. They were obviously mixing and the groups were close together. Looked completely normal and the kids were shouting and screaming and having a great time. Nice to see somebody has a sense of proportion. Of course, it wasn’t a state school and you’d have to torture me to find out where it was.

What’s ‘recess’? Is this in America?

Playtime

“Crosswalk”=Zebra crossing
A free translation, “Fanny”=Bum
Not your
*******zzzzziiiiiippppppp********

I’ll add naughty step=time out chair

Cue large bite of Scotch Egg.

Silver lining perhaps…

Maybe it’ll save this cohort from becoming weapons-grade snowflakes and bestow them with independent thought and scepticism of authority and consensus.

God knows, we need more of that.

Oliver Cromwell cancelled Christmas

When the monarchy was restored they dug his body up

The Lord Protector was dragged through the streets of London to his place of ‘execution’ at Tyburn

At Tyburn he was subjected to the traitors execution of being hung drawn and quartered. How they did that with a corpse is not entirely clear but I’m sure they did their best in the circumstances

He was then beheaded

His head was then displayed on a pike in Whitehall as a warning to others

And his remaining regicide henchmen were hunted down and similarly dealt with, but while still alive. See Charles Spencer’s excellent book Killers of the King. There was no place they could hide.
And yet most of them were men of conscience, unlike our own snivelling tyrants. The latter will find nowhere to hide, either, when Nemesis comes after them.

The Christmas thing is always trundled out to blacken Cromwell, but it’s a misconception because Christmas was not the same as it is now. It was primarily a Catholic religious festival, and since the Civil Wars and the Protectorate came at the end of a century of religious division, and Catholic dissent was still at serious risk of flaring up Cromwell acted not to oppress joy, but to attempt to preserve order. Think of it less as if he’d cancelled a party and more as if he’d banned the marching season in Northern Ireland.

I often compare Cromwell to Margaret Thatcher in that, whilst I’m not sure I’d have got on with either of them personally and I don’t think either of them were perfect, I think they were necessary for the moment in history when they arose, genuinely tried to deal with a perceived problem and have been subjected to propaganda both during and after their tenure. In Cromwell’s case, a key part of the myth that has risen around him is the idea that he was in charge before Charles I’s execution. In actual fact he was a mere backbencher and, despite his military genius, wasn’t even head of the Parliamentary army during the wars (that was Thomas Fairfax who quit when the King’s death sentence was sealed). He only rose to power when, after Parliament had the King executed, it turned out to be just as corrupt and self-serving as Charles himself had been. Cromwell brought in the army to purge the House of Commons and attempted more than once to create a Parliament which actually worked before he reluctantly accepted the mantle of Lord Protector (he was offered the role of king, but refused it).

I’d recommend Antonia May Fraser’s Cromwell, Our Chief of Men .

I was making a point above, maybe not well. Actually I greatly admire Cromwell, and despise Charles I as a self-righteous tyrant – although the legality of his trial and executuion are, to put it mildly, contentious.

But Cromwell and Ireland isn’t good??

Hear hear. In Drogheda, a town about 30 miles north of Dublin, they still talk about like he was on remand awaiting trial!

“He blows up policemen, or so I have heard,
And blames it on Cromwell and William the Third.”

Michael Flanders on the Irishman.

Too late for Cromwell, but not for Johnson and Hancock who should be on remand, but no trial seems necessary. These two serial mass murderers make Harold Shipman seem like St Francis of Assisi.

Blair and Iraq isn’t good. Cameron and Libya also not good.

Difficult to find a legal footing to kill the head of state, but in fairness it was the first time that was tried – previous monarchs had just been quietly murdered, deposed or beaten in the field and replaced by another branch of the family.

True. But constituting the Commons as a court was dodgy.

It’s not the head of state this time around. It is the Prime Minister and the Health Secretary who should have their heads lopped off.

I’ve read it and, dare I say it, Cromwell is one of the historical figures whom I most admire.

Iron determination and incorruptible; a man for his time.

I think the Lord Protector role was an uncomfortable compromise but all that was realistically on offer in the 17th century.

Shall we gloss over the genocide in Ireland

By no means. The good and the evil should be weighed in the balance.

The best interpretation I can put on it is this.

Cromwell calculated that by undertaking the massacre at Drogheda he was preventing further insurrection in Ireland, and thus saving net life. If by killing one ‘rebel’ in cold blood he prevented tens of deaths inherent in further insurrection then the killing was justified.

Not a calculation I would wish to make, but was he really so terribly wrong??

That’s a justification for genocide. Using that logic it would have been justified to nuke Afghanistan, Iraq or even Argentina – ‘after all if it saves one life…’

I’m not saying I agree, I’m just trying to guess the thought process he was going through. Probably the religious certainties of those days made it easier.

Not at all; my forebears joined the expedition, as bridle makers, so the story goes, but, for his attempts to bring another course to 17th century England, I think he deserves some credit.

Cromwell was flawed, as are we all, but the unfortunate Charles 1st was his own worst enemy.

What happened in Ireland was within the rules of war at the time (you didn’t give quarter to besieged cities if they forced you to breach them) and we tend to gloss over the fact that Wellington did much the same in the Peninsular War. There was also a lot of bitterness amongst the Protestant troops due to (somewhat exaggerated) stories of what had happened during the Irish uprising a few years earlier. We might not like what he did – and it’s certainly been used politically since – but that’s rather like the whole statue-toppling thing at the moment, judging history by our own standards.

The idea that Cromwell needed to wage war on Ireland is a nonsense in itself. It was an act of pure bigotry, the man and his demented puritanism are a stain on our history.

I would have been a Royalist through and through.

It wasn’t Cromwell’s decision to invade. The rump parliament instructed him to do so, although I agree not for good reason (they basically thought that a standing army was a threat to order if they didn’t give them something to do).

So he was only following orders? To be honest I think he had too much fun killing people to use that defence.

And I a Cromwellian. Muskets at dawn?

Gets a bit complicated in that the Old English (descendants of the Anglo Norman aristocracy) were still Catholic and generally sided with the locals.

One of my ancestors, Sir Hugh Cartwright of Ossington, was walled up for a month in someone else’s house because Cromwell’s men were after him and considered him a ‘dangerous malignant’ – something to do with a siege at Pontefract I think. He then fled to Belgium. I thought of him at the beginning of the lockdown!
The Cartwrights were descended from the Norman aristocracy and the Cranmers; my many times great grandmother was the Archbishop’s sister. Much of their land came from the dissolution of the monasteries but Cromwell confiscated it, which was why my grandfather ended up taking milk round on a horse and cart!

Great story!

When you think what people in those days went through in adherence to their beliefs in puts what we’e going through into persepective.

Cromwell didn’t abolish Christmas, it was Parliament.
Cromwell famously danced at his daughter’s wedding.

Even John Calvin allowed dancing at weddings. I think it was the only occasion. I always thought it must have led to serial monogamy in Geneva.

‘Cromwell acted not to oppress joy, but to attempt to preserve order’

Bit like the dictator and handy cock then

I have an ambivalent attitude towards Cromwell. As you say, he was necessary to the time. We have much to be grateful to him for, and yet there was much that was repellent about him. I thought Cromwell had more influence during 1648 than your post implies?

I often wonder which side I which side I would have supported in the Civil Wars. In my view, they both were in part right and in part wrong. The one individual who was truly wrong was Charles I, with his unbending out-of-date attitude; his best months were his last months, and do him some credit, but it was too late.

I have had a copy of Ms Fraser’s book for ages, but haven’t read it yet.

Cromwell was popular with the army – the New Model was based on the cavalry regiment he raised in Huntingdonshire and his strategic nous had delivered the greatest victories of the wars – and he was vocal amonst the regicides, but he was by no means in charge.

Very hard to say where I’d have stood at the time too. I have a strong sense of justice and morality, but obviously that has been shaped by my own background so it may well have been different based on when, and in what position in society, I had been born.

By 1648 if I’d been an MP I’m pretty sure I would have been one of the ‘Presbyterians’, as they were termed.

I love the fact lockdown sceptics are fighting the English Civil War . Here’s my take . I would of supported Cromwell and the forces of republicanism and we should be justly proud of being the first modern nation to kill a king .But the truth is in the end Cromwell betrayed the cause ,you only have to look what happened to Winstanley and the diggers .The reason today a tiny minority own all the land in Britain and the majority hardly have a blade of grass is because we never fulfilled our dreams of making the land a common treasury for all .

As I remember, Cromwell was very sensitive to the continuation of property rights, being from landed stock himself.

He was and as i said betrayed the cause.

Fascinating. I’m starting to like history.

Can I propose that we follow a modified Icelandic model. That being burying the corpse in a bog, pickled in urine, then perhaps introduce a little British flavour by a hanging, and a quartering if you must, before finally separating body from head until dead, dead, dead.

I thought a lot of the regicides did hide though? Escaped the country. Although there were executions, I thought Charles II tried to be as lenient as he could, and in doing so set the tone for his reign.

I think there’s a lesson here. Terrible as we all feel about the current circumstances, and bitter as we might feel towards the perpetrators, when this is all done as a society we have to move on. And limited revenge is a part of that.

Don’t get me wrong, I wish to see guilty people punished for this; but in the long run I think we have to sort out our society and institutions so as to put in safeguards to ensure that something like this can never happen again. And achieving that will be much more difficult than pursuing the simple gratification of revenge.

The important thing to do when this is over is to learn the lessons from this and put up safeguards in order to ensure that something like this should never be allowed to happen again.

The people guilty should be punished and serve as a warning to those who seek to destroy the country and its people.

The rallying cry should be Never Again

I agree with all that.

It’s not just about lifting the restrictions: it’s about ensuring that it can never happen again.

Punishment and ridicule of the guilty individuals is a part of this, but a small part (and the easy part).

Exactly. It’s appalling how people quickly forget the lessons of the past.

Part of thr never happening again needs to involve unpicking the education system.

Germany leading as a population standing up to the fraud may in time come to be seen as a success of their educated recovery from WW2. The generations of education to never let such a thing happen again appear in some ways to have worked.

There is standing against this the European project of course, which itself uses the threat of an ununified Europe as reason to unify.

Education must be central to never letting this happen again.

The thing is we did have the checks and balances to supposedly prevent such authoritarian rule, but they all failed. Swathes of human rights legislation, lawyers, parliament, journalism (corner stone of democracy), our bill of rights, hypocratic oath, policing by consent … it goes on. Every single one ignored or failed to do their duty.

I know, and that’s why it is going to be difficult to sort out.

It requires a societal revolution.

Which won’t happen.

When the government finally takes their boot off our throats, the general public will utter a collective sigh of relief and forget the entire thing.

Those who still have jobs will go back to the daily grind and distract themselves with whatever mind-numbing fare Pravda trots out on a Saturday evening. Those who don’t have jobs will put their hand out and be grateful for whatever crumbs the Bank of England’s printed money will buy them.

If I had anywhere to go, I’d be gone.

Maybe, as a nation we will drown in complacency.

But maybe there’s another side to this coin: the pain will be so bad it will force a rearrangement and reset. Bit like 1979.

Maybe. It feels a bit too much like 1933 right now.

Yes. People will struggle to feed themselves. That will be the new normal, and the bastards that are responsible will walk away unpunished.

And Dido Harding will get another cushy non- job.

Instead of being crushed under the wheels of incompetence it seems that she is one who is propelled yet higher by her mistakes.

Well said. It makes you wonder why they failed and why those in authority failed in their duty.

The one scant consolation here is hopefully many of these people will be living with a guilty conscience for the rest of their lives.

Psychopaths don’t have a conscience.

Or found the felicitous attention of billionaires too much to resist. They did not just fail to do their duty, thy joined the ranks of the enemy.

Great sentiments, but for all the “never agains” history has a strange way of repeating. En masse people do exhibit the most extraordinary lack of basic recall.

Lesson #1 no more Enabling Acts, I thought we had learned that from Hitler.

Totally agree – I don’t think we should be telling Boris to buy an extra shirt and setting up the scaffold in Whitehall, but we should have a (proper) inquiry and, depending on the findings, leave those who acted from improper motives to the criminal justice system whilst we do what we need to do to prevent it happening again.

As part of the settlement Charles ll declined to emancipate the thousands of Royalists condemned to indentured servitude in the West Indies.
The property rights of their new masters trumped the reduction of Englishmen to slavery.

Notably, the property rights of of the disposed Royalists in Britain were not reinstated after the Restoration. I didn’t know about the West Indies business and will have to look into it.

some of them sought to avoid retribution by fleeing abroad but the forces of law and order tracked them down (Eichmann/Mossad).

We should do our best in our circumstances. Thanks for the history lesson. Sometimes history is a beautiful thing full of justice.

There are two prime candidates for similar treatment and not just for cancelling Christmas, but for murder on the grand scale. Of course, it’s Johnson and Hancock, who killed tens of thousands of old people in the Spring. These two serial killers are now looking to repeat their evil crimes this winter, under the guise of the totally flawed PCR tests. Like the rest of us, they know the test is worse than useless, but it serves the Bill Gates’s genocidal vaccine agenda and that is all that will matter for them.

Dissenting scientists issue Covid-19 herd immunity declaration

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Freddie Sayers talks to eminent epidemiologists Dr Sunetra Gupta, Dr Jay Bhattacharya and Dr. Martin Kulldorff, who met in Massachusetts to sign a declaration calling for a different global response to the pandemic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rz_Z7Gf1aRE
https://unherd.com/2020/10/covid-experts-there-is-another-way/

youtube com watch?v=rz_Z7Gf1aRE

Read the full declaration here : https://unherd.com/2020/10/covid-expe ..

Like all here I was fascinated by the Crimes against Humanity video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kr04gHbP5MQ

I was also fascinated by reading Corona, False Alarm?: Facts and Figures book by Karina Reiss Ph.D . and Sucharit Bhakdi MD : https://www.amazon.co.uk/Corona-False-Alarm-Facts-Figures/dp/1645020576

Chapters 3 and 4 are quite astonishing; not only because of the reported actions of the ‘scientists’ named in the video above, but also because by replacing the names of the main German protaginists, e.g. Chancellor, CMO, Health Minister, etc., for our equivalents, i.e. Johnson, Whitty, Handjob, etc., you would think you were reading about what the UK done. The timings, actions, etc. have a remarkable similarity.

I was gobsmacked!

Almost as if it were all planned.

Safety in numbers. They’ll be covering each other when the time comes.

Try ’em in batches then,

But…surely it’s all just global bumbling incompetence…? You’re not one of those pesky conspiracy theorists, are you?

We know the eu pressurised this country and we caved…….

‘ “We had prepared the closure of our border and told Prime Minister Johnson we would implement it that day if there was no evolution [of British measures],” a senior French official…’

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/22/france-border-coronavirus-uk-141402

+1 for Corona, False Alarm . It’s a great book.

It’s this what swings it for me.Looking at our useless government I can believe in the incompetence theory,but the similarities between our response and governments is too alike
.All these governments cannot be this incompetent in exactly the same way.

They don’t call it a plandemic for nothing!
Forum users seem a degree reticent to use that term.
I don’t know why….

Robert Koch in Germany, Inserm in France, SAGE and Imperial College in the UK; all infiltrated years ago.

As you say, lockstep uniformity everywhere.
We have one or two outliers of course; Sweden the obvious one, plus Belarus, where we know that Lukashenko was offered a huge bribe to shut down his country, and Serbia where the citizens simply said NO!
And the figures from those three countries serve to expose how none of the lockdowns and other attacks on civil liberty were justified in the slightest.

Great post..exactly

From the top of my head, I think Brazil, Mexico, Tanzania and Pakistan also had somewhat limited lockdowns?

THANK GOD Trump isn’t in the ICU right now. That would be a nightmare for the ages. I’m hoping he continues on an upwards trajectory, and I’m very pleased with the way he’s handled this. “Don’t let it control your life” is exactly what the world needs to hear right now. I’m hoping this will begin to change people’s perspectives and make them less tolerant to excessive measures.

Fully agreed. So far, the way Trump has used his illness to encourage people and alleviate fears has been a much-needed counter to the fear-mongering from the likes of Neil Ferguson, Anthony Fauci, and the mainstream media. I’m not the political type, but I have to say I’m proud of Trump. Hopefully this causes more people to come to their senses and put an end to these ridiculous, dangerous lockdowns in what has become the craziest year of the 21st century.

I’ve said before that I’m no Trump supporter. I voted against him in the last election. I disagree vehemently with a lot of what he’s done. But even a broken clock is right twice a day – and he is right about covid. In fact, I remember hearing one of his early statements about it and thinking at the time that he might very well be right. But I held my judgement until I got a lot more evidence and did a lot more reading from sites like this one. And here I am.

I am eligible to vote in the upcoming US election but will be sitting it out. There’s is nothing that could get me to vote for him, but I will not vote against him. The Dems keep sending me emails, asking for campaign contributions. I keep replying with sceptic arguments against the hysteria, but I doubt anyone reads them.

“Don’t let it control your life” should be spread far and wide here in the UK. Although it might be better as “Don’t let the government control your life”.

Same. I would have wanted him to win the election anyway as the Democrats are sickeningly captured. However he’s won my respect in a couple of ways :

1. No more wars
2. Kicking back in China
3. His Corona approach has been excellent given the pressure he is under. He was on tbe money with HCQ, masks (though he caved for votes), the lack of evidence that this is anymore than the flu, getting Richard Atlas in

Anyone who loudly defunds the WHO gets a vote from me.

I’m also eligible to vote in the US election and I’m absolutely voting Trump for this reason alone.

Three epidemiologists from Stanford, Harvard, and Oxford recently wrote a declaration that I think just about all lockdown skeptics would want to sign. They are calling for an end to all lockdowns, and for governments to pursue an approach similar to what Sweden, Japan, South Dakota, etc., have used in this pandemic. There are some high-profile lockdown skeptic scientists who have signed this declaration or cosigned it, including Sunetra Gupta and Michael Levitt. I encourage everyone to sign it and spread the word!

https://gbdeclaration.org

The October 5 Freddie Sayers interview (on UnHerd) with those three epidemiologists is also fantastic, by the way.

With the news that the vaccine will only be for older and more vulnerable people (Monday’s FT) does that mean there will need to be another U-turn in govt policy accepting that high numbers of “positive” cases in the under 50s are OK without continually resorting to restrictions and lockdowns. For example all the students and school children currently with it pushing numbers ever higher. The alternative will be endless restrictions with a disease that has relatively little impact to the under 60s.

I’m so confused about this supposed vaccine. I thought the whole point of vaccines was that they conferred herd immunity and not just individual immunity. For example, this is why it’s so important for children to get the measles vaccine as babies can’t have the vaccine so the immunised people around the vulnerable protect them.

The fact that they’re only going to give it to the vulnerable and that it might only lessen symptoms makes me wonder if it is even a proper vaccine at all?

In the FT interview it went on to say the vaccine (at least the Oxford one) isn’t intended to stop someone getting COVID but only to reduce the impact of catching it and reducing the chance of severe illness. Presumably that is part of the answer – no point in giving it to the young as they are rarely badly affected by it. Also said that don’t want to give to young as vaccine side effects likely to outweigh the benefits. Ie little or no benefit for young people.

I saw on Twitter; ‘Less than half of UK population’ will get a COVID-19 vaccine’ and thought that the majority of the population were finally seeing sense….
Of course it wasn’t meant to mean that.

They really don’t know what they are doing. Even their best-laid plans are unravelling.
They can attempt to vaccinate the ‘vulnerable’ but that is precisely the section of society for which the vaccine hasn’t been trialled. So safety is a complete unknown, as is efficacy. And they dilute their statements about efficacy all the time.
And then Peston comes out and says the young should be prioritised.
Why pick on them? They have already served to bring us towards the HIT, and will derive nothing but risk from a vaccine.

The US polls are showing that no more than half of the population will accept a vaccine.

Peston wrote a load of appalling bollox.

You’re making a rational, logical deduction. Don’t assume our politicians can do the same.

Adopting measures to protect the vulnerable should be the central aim of public health responses to COVID-19. By way of example, nursing homes should use staff with acquired immunity and perform frequent PCR testing of other staff and all visitors. Staff rotation should be minimized. Retired people living at home should have groceries and other essentials delivered to their home. When possible, they should meet family members outside rather than inside. A comprehensive and detailed list of measures, including approaches to multi-generational households, can be implemented, and is well within the scope and capability of public health professionals.

How about explain the risks and let people decide how to live? The bit about retired people is patronising bullshit! and this is meant to be a step forward?

The Great Barrington Declaration

Hi Steeve and what are the comprehensive and detailed list of measures that are within the scope of public health professionals? I mean how many measures do we need? Sorry will not be signing this one!

I mean who wants to hang in a wardrobe with mothballs?

They address that issue in the final paragraph, in talking about how life should be resumed as normal by the non-vulnerable members of the population. They clearly state that high-risk individuals should be free to resume life as normal if they want:

“ People who are more at risk may participate if they wish , while society as a whole enjoys the protection conferred upon the vulnerable by those who have built up herd immunity. ”

They also explain themselves more fully in the UnHerd Freddie Sayers interview, which is definitely a good one.

People who are more at risk may participate if they wish – shows how far we have fallen?

Yep, the world has definitely gone nuts. That’s why I’m glad scientists like these are speaking up about it. We need our freedom back, and lockdown victims desperately need the lockdowns to end as soon as possible.

Never mind possible, It’s impossible to define that ‘possible’. We need our freedom NOW, unconditionally.

Agreed. That is what I meant. The lockdowns should have ended months ago, but the irrationality and overconfidence of public health officials interfered.

There should never have been lockdown.

Thanks for saying that. I keep hitting that note in Daily Mail comments. We need restrictions removed NOW full stop.

I’m retired, I live at home( like millions of others who have not been attacked by instant senility on reaching pensionable age) and I will meet family members wherever I damn well like, when I’m not out riding, gardening, walking the dog, working, or generally living.

And what health care measures helped you to continue living life to the full?

Fresh air and good food.

You should do a recipe for the day!

Ingredients:
Fresh air ad lib.
One breakfast, one lunch, one supper. Adapt quantities to suit your taste and appetite.
Tea and/or coffee ad lib.
Your favourite drink, in or out of moderation.
Chocolate ad lib.

Season with a large quantity of Coronascepticism.

To be consumed in optimistic mood and in good company, whether of human, dog, horse or any other living creature whose companionship cheers and consoles.

Great post!

Although I’d specify ‘favourite drink’ as single malt whisky, cask strength but then watered to taste, drunk at any time of the day.

Annie you are amazing

Wonderful!!! A great recipe for a life worth living!

Dark chocolate, in my case. Lots of fresh air. Go mad being confined indoors 24-hours a day. Always been that way.

Ann, you should march on the Senedd, demand to be heard and lay some sound Ann advice on them.

And then please come up here and take on the Holyrood Heidbangers!

Alas, they have no ears to hear, and Cardiff is a jail, nobody allowed in or out.
For freedom they lost their blood, as our national anthem says.

Dark chocolate!!!

Same here!

Regular bird watching helps

As: previous comment plus hard manual work.

Exactly. I work on my allotment for 2 or 3 hours a day seven days a week. Getting stronger as a result (got the plot in February). And I intend to do a lot of path building over the winter, digging paths and moving wood chips, so heavy labour. I’ve lost over 8 kilos since lockdown started and improved my diet with tons of fresh veg.

And the government wants to make over-60s (over-50s?) think we’re made of cotton wool and have to hide in our houses? Hell, they’re trying to make 20 year olds think human beings are frail little creatures.

I don’t know about you but aged 15 I was working 50 hours a week for a small building firm ( It would be rightly classed as child labour today.)
I certainly don’t want to fall into a “Monty Python” sketch (” When I was young, there were 15 of us and we lived in a hole in the middle of the road and had 1 shoe between us and we were lucky,etc) but don’t class us 60/70/80 somethings as poor old people who should be locked away “for their own good”

Aged 13-15 I worked Saturdays for W.H.Smith & Sons. There would be 3 or 4 of us from a pool 6 so taking time off was never a problem.
One day the Manager (great guy) told us that the law had changed and that if we worked more than half a day he was ‘exploiting’ us.
Stuff that, how was I going to get fags And records with half day pay ? It was all cash in hand then so we worked around their stupid ‘protections’.

I’m in my sixties now and still work at the job I enjoy up to 7 days a week, by choice.

I’m 61 and anyone who try’s to define me as vulnerable can f**k off. I’m not overweight, don’t have any health problems and am not on any medication. I work in a front line service in social care and would like to be able to keep my job which won’t happen if the bed wetting government castigate me as fragile. In my free time I walk, cycle, climb boulders and wild swim. Lockdown didn’t stop me doing any of these things and neither have I worn a mask or used the dreaded hand sanitiser when I go shopping. I don’t believe in staying safe and would make the most if my remaining healthy years.

SNAP,
WELL SAID.

Same here Ann. I’m retired, own a smallholding a few miles away from my own home, and spend most days there with my horses, sheep and goats. I grow fruit and veg, I have a handyman who comes three times a week to help me with heavy lifting and things I simply can’t do now due to arthritis, but I’m active and well in all other ways. Nobody gets to tell me to stay at home! I’m there in all weathers, living life as I wish. I avoid shops and restaurants as I don’t wish to get involved with the nonsense Covid “measures”. I will not comply, ever.

My wife has taken my 97 year old Aunt out every week, she likes to browse in the shops ie M&S have a coffee etc. That’s what she loves doing!
Not something I understand! So when do we ever hear about the importance of this? When do we hear about quality of life over quantity? I mean at 97!
My wife could have said – “Stay in – better safe than sorry!!!!!!”

Absolutely brilliant, more power to you, your wife and especially your fantastic aunt

To me, the key is offer support/ protection to the vulnerable, IF they want it. That to me is the key, IF. No-one should be dictating to any group of people what is perceived to be for their good.

Yes, I think people are misunderstanding. gbdeclaration is not saying retired people should be forced to stay at home. It is saying that the resources currently being thrown at the non-vulnerable should be targetted at those who are vulnerable and wish to stay at home.

It was by far the most sensible option from the very start.

Exactly this. The declaration is well worded, because to say “what we should do is completely ignore the virus and tolerate old people dying” would be unacceptable. It talks about protecting the vulnerable because that’s what people need to hear as part of a herd immunity strategy, but it also says that the vulnerable should have a choice about being protected. It may not go far enough to our minds, but it goes as far as it can to be palatable to the mainstream media message.

‘tolerate old people dying’
They mean if we don’t tolerate it, old people won’t die?

That seems to be what most people think, yes. And if old people do die, it’s the government’s fault.

As a singer, one of my big worries is amateur choirs, in churches and elsewhere. Because of the Gareth Malone effect, choir singing had become very big in Britain again and, although shouty community choirs, performing pop songs by ear, are anathema to me, I know that they provide many retired people with a great deal of pleasure and a social life. Now, not only are those people being told that they shouldn’t go out because they are ‘vulnerable’, singing has been labelled as the Devil’s activity, with those who want to save it accused of murder by some obsessives.
Where choirs have resumed, the restrictions are absurd, with some ‘singing’ in masks!! Apart from my general opposition to the ghastly things, I will not compromise my integrity as a singer to allow a ‘mask’ anywhere near my breathing apparatus when I am in a situation where I am expected to sing. As a teacher, I fear for the technique of young serious singers who are bullied into this absurd behaviour.

Our bedwetting archdeacon thunks it’s mortally dangerous to let muzzled churchgoers hum into their masks. As for singing….

I know of a lady who joined a choir for lung damaged people at 91!
It gave her great joy and improved her health!

Joy is the best medicine!

Community singing is a very powerful way to pull people together and create bonds even between strangers. Anthems provide strong evidence of the effect.
That it has been banned is a sinister blow.

There is hope! I sang in a small group of 3 at a church in south Manchester on Sunday for the first time since March, at the invitation of the vicar, who is something of a sceptic. We were maskless – I refuse to wear one in any circumstances – but it’s a shame the same couldn’t be said of the congregation. But the church was filled with Byrd’s Mass for 3 Voices, and we also sang the hymns – the congregation weren’t as yet “allowed” to sing those, but hopefully that will change in time.

The vicar’s homily was wonderful – he talked about the story of Jesus healing the lepers, and if He wasn’t afraid to touch the unclean, without risk assessments and social distancing, perhaps we shouldn’t be either. I was waiting for him to exhort everyone to take off their masks and hug each other, but he didn’t go that far…yet. I caught up with him for a few words afterwards, and he lamented the fearful approach taken by those higher up in the pecking order. I said that the change needs to be at grass roots level, and he has a big part to play in helping the local community be less risk-averse. He seemed quite taken with the idea, so let’s see what he says at future services.

You are so lucky to have such a vicar, instead of a quavering, gibbering, nappied muppet like ours.

I’m in my 60s and pretty healthy. In fact, I’ve taken steps during this mess to improve my health. I take responsibility for my own health and take no medications. I have things delivered to my home because the government has made shopping a dystopian experience. That’s my choice, not theirs.

The current situation has only increased my distrust of the medical profession. I do not wish to be confined “for my own good”. The government can go to hell if it intends doing that.

They should have dusted down the instruction manuals of the old Isolation Hospitals 6 months ago.
Probably haven’t since they won’t be on a spreadsheet.

I don’t agree with a lot they have suggested either. It still opens the door for meddling in peoples personal lives. Many retired people are perfectly healthy so I don’t think their words have been chosen properly and they should have said vulnerable people rather than retired. And it should certainly have emphasised that any measures advised are voluntary and individuals should assess their own risks and how they want to live. And how can you meet your family outside during an English Winter when it’s tipping it down and freezing? But reading between the lines I am thinking they have tried to come up with something that will be more acceptable for Governments.

I thought the wording left a lot of loopholes and much to be desired.

Hear hear.
Lord Sumption is excellent on the point of allowing people to make their own choices, and neatly sidesteps a devious question from the Beeb interviewer:-

https://brandnewtube.com/watch/sumpton-on-uk-lockdown-challenges-bbc-reporter_RwqNfCjwjhHNZVa.html

Thanks for the link!

Consider this from the Paris bullshit:

“Paris has been placed on maximum alert as the Covid-19 incidence rate has exceeded 250 infections per 100,000 among the general public. The maximum alert is also triggered when two other criteria are met — when the incidence rate among those aged over 65 is above 100 per 100,000 people, and when at least 30% of the beds in intensive care units are reserved for Covid-19 patients.”

Do you notice something? Of course you do. No mention of deaths, or illness. And 30% of intensive care beds are not occupied by Covidders, they are reserved for Covidders.

France and the UK are lying from the same hymnsheet, evidently.

There was a time when Paris bars were frequented by Europe’s greatest intellectuals and artists.I suppose none exists these days.

Macron’s government were one of the ringleaders. I can’t see a way he can climbdown from this without being lynched. So, like here, they have to keep up project fear, whilst they keep on digging.

France will be held up as reason to tge UK in less than five days. Ican already sense Scottish cmo dentist Leech making notes about Paris to shortly regurgitate.

Which also neatly disproves the masks work theory.

Say what you like about President Trump, the leader (King) of the free world…….

That is exactly what ‘covid b*ll*cks’ needed: a shot in the arm….Oh! Hang on……..

When tv reporters and newsreaders say figures like “300 positive cases in 100,000 people” I’d like them to be compelled by law to add “or 99,700 people per 100,000 not testing positive”.

Good grief! The type of reporting issue you describe here has been infuriating me throughout this pandemic. The doomsayer reporters are fond of portraying statistics in a pessimistic way that stirs up panic, instead of in a way that calms the harassed public down.

Years ago, my father commissioned a statistical study, I forget the subject. He asked the statistician what result he thought most likely.
‘What result do you want, sir?’ replied the statistician, without a trace of irony.

Ha ha ha! I’m a statistician with a passion for psychology, so I appreciate stories like this one.

“I’m a statistician with a passion for psychology”
WOW! How does that work?
lol
I could never understand Chi Squared analysis, so that was my psychology A level down the drain.

You can prove anything you like with statistics. It’s a matter of how you present them.

Toby, I love your opener. But I came home early from work today, thoroughly depressed. Even American conservatives are saying things like: “good news is that Trump will be taking covid seriously and masks are to be required in the white house…” Etc… That from the formerly liberty living National Review.

I hate to say it, but I really feel today like the world has gone completely mad, and those people I thought were sane are as mad as the rest. Except here, of course.

On a totally different note: feeling some fondness for Lewis… My wife and I watched (or for her, rewatched) the first episode of Inspector Morse. Loved it.

If I ever do get to visit the UK, and I cannot visit Jack Aubrey, I hope to visit it during the 1980s. Please let me know when you get them back.

Yes please: Aubrey for PM and Maturin for chief medical officer.

As long as Maturin no longer insists on bleeding everybody at the drop of a hat.

What really depressed me is that Trump’s covid attitude is pretty widely rejected. It’s likely that it will lose him the election. We are demanding more draconian measures…

I kind of feel like the one guy in the crowd, looking around, saying “Barabus, really? Because to me Barabus seems like a bad idea… This is not what we should be asking for, guys…” And totally drowned out.

Life outside is more like an episode of Dr Who now.

National Review has been pretty much coronapanic central throughout, hasn’t it? Personally I never much trust them anyway because I’ve always been paleocon rather than neocon.

You’re talking to different American conservatives than I am. My family/friends are all thrilled with the outcome as they thought the hysteria was ridiculous to begin with.

If you do ever get to visit, HMS Trincomalee in Hartlepool is the nearest you will get to Jack Aubrey. Well worth a visit.

I would be thrilled! Finished all 20 books and have started again…

Wow, Trump, get in.

A caution about the Admiral Philips campaign.It doesn’t focus on the current Covid crimes against the old and helpless, but on a previous issue of funding. (Which isn’t to say that it’s not a worthy cause.)

At 8am
I have to phone the doctors because my Dads Asthma is worse. I phoned at 3pm yesterday to explain about his Asthma but to make an appointment I have to phone back at 8 – that is the rule! and this will be for a telephone consultation! Either AM or PM.
I mean they know he’s not well, why not just book him in? No you have to phone at 8 – listen to all the Covid crap again and get in the phone queue for however long – make your appointment and then wait all morning or all afternoon for the doctor to phone you. Not sure what you have to do to get into the surgery?

My wife tried to phone another surgery yesterday for her Auntie and could not even get through!

Still you are not allowed to just walk in and talk to a receptionist!!!

Evil.
I do hope you get some response soon. Good luck and don’t despair!

Call 111, ask for an appointment at your nearest urgent care centre or out of hours.

Thanks for that advice!

Medical dictatorship – but you can’t get an appointment for a serious illness.

Yep, sounds about right for UK 2020.

Medical people should be totally ASHAMED if they are supporting this new regime. It’s totally evil.

You are fools.

Anyone with asthma should increase their resilience by upping vitamin C (at least 2g per day), vitamin A and Vitamin D (at least 10,000IU per day) levels. Always take magnesium and Vitamin K2 with high dose vitamin D.

These things take time so will start seeing benefits in a couple of weeks.

National Hoax Service

I see Toby plagiarized my comment yesterday predicting Trump’s return unscathed, and what it will mean for the election and mask-wearing, basement-cowering Biden. No hard feelings.
It’s amazing how this panicdemic has resulted in people cheering for politicians and reading newspapers we wouldn’t have touched with a barge pole a year ago.

Or even six months ago.

Empathise as an ex-Guardianista (never again!) and now (somewhat embarrassed) Tory-graph subscriber (the relentless anti-lockdown comments BTL kept me going for months along with this site)!

Handycocks Skool Rithmetic

So that’s what an excel spread sheet looks like.

Talking about spreadsheets, and taking in the most recent Excel-related absurdity, closely following the modelling madness:

• “ Missing 16,000 coronavirus tests glitch ’caused by large Excel spreadsheet file’ ” – Turns out Serco, which is keeping a record of who’s infected for PHE, uses Microsoft Excel to store the data and the reason for the missing ~16,000 cases is because the spreadsheet reached full capacity, making it impossible to store any additional names.

Did anbody spot the irony in the fact that this is yet another one of Bill Gates’ legacies to science/civilisation?

It is a well known fact that any spreadsheet software will have a file size limit.

In the 32- bit version of Office, the maximum files size for a workbook containing a Data Model is 2 GB , and the maximum memory that can be consumed by a workbook is 4 GB . If you exceed either of these limits, the workbook cannot be saved.

Maximum Memory or File Size Exceeded – Excel support.microsoft.com › en-us › office › maximum-memory-or-file-size…

Yes but to be fair Diane Abbott was the teacher.

I haven’t felt so optimistic in over six months.
Well done President Trump, such a positive response.
Take heed Johnson, Hancock, Whitby and Valance.
”Don’t let it dominate you!”

Those words in that tweet hit a nail bang in it head. So few words required, just tge right ines in the right order at the right time.

V&A have announced redundancies:

https://twitter.com/Tomfool11/status/1313011610101968896

https://twitter.com/V_and_A/status/1310943358211239936

What really angers me is the continued trotting out of “Covid 19” as an excuse for dire visitor numbers, abysmal figures in auxiliary services such as retail and catering. Why don’t they have the courage to say “it was the lockdown that did this” and admit that it was their cowardice and kowtowing to the government and Visit England’s Covid “safety” measures that will lead to loads of people especially those at the bottom (visitor services, tickets, retail assistants) who will bear the brunt of the job losses.?

What did you expect when the woke Tristram Hunt took over. I resigned my membership last year.

Unfortunately its not only the V&A that is in this pickle. Even where I work which I have documented its woes on its pages is also in the same boat.

That said I agree that many of these institutions were already having problems before this crisis took hold. Just look at the National Trust then followed by the British Museum and British Library among others. I seriously doubt if the directors of these institutions realise that they are simply accelerating their demise.

The National trust going bang would be one of the best things that has ever happened to this country.

What would happen to our properties in their care ?

Until the nonsense stops I, and I guess many, will not visit museums, stately homes and NT as masks and other CV stuff makes them a miserable experience.

snap

Well said. Mr Bart and I are boycotting them too and not returning until sanity prevails

I wonder if the economics of these redundencies were baked into that reopened with tiny visitor numbers per day plan back in July(?). Seems as though the top VnA brass might well have calculated as part of their opening package that staff would be layed off.

Unless they’ve been caught out by surprise that the Great British Public have decided not to go visiting when prebooking two hour visits in space suits are required.

I imagine the VnA staff will be sad to have lost their jobs.

I think its both. In order to get that “We’re Good To Go” endorsement, museums and heritage sites had to factor in reduced capacities and I suspect many top brass already knew that with reduced capacities alongside with the lack of income during the enforced closure, redundancy will be on the cards.

As someone working in the frontline, I already knew that prebooking, having to don muzzles, sanitise and follow stupid one way systems would not lead to good visitor numbers. TPTB I suspect were labouring under the delusion that people would be desperate to visit and are now panicking that the Great British Public are staying away or are refusing to do repeat visits.

I reckon they are and chances of getting a job elsewhere in he sector will be little to non-existent.

I watched Bbc news last night and there were various stories of economic woe.No one mentioned the cause of this,the lockdown and all the subsequent restriction.
Why is this?

Good question. Even when the MSM were reporting about the projected bankruptcies in the charity sector, they still blame the virus.

The narrative needs to change and now.

Every economic and social woe has been blamed by the BBC on the Worldwide Pandemic since day one rather than lunatic lockdown measures.

Not just the Beeb. All the MSM still only refers to the pandemic when lamenting business losses etc.

Sad news. The huge drop in tourism has to be a big factor, as it is for London as a whole.

It is. Both local and foreign as the London attractions all lost out due to the lack of summer holiday makers coming to the capital.

I’ve walked past various museums and visitor attractions and there are hardly any queues to the point that the barriers have been taken down and the faded social distancing stickers are not being replaced.

I live not far from the RAF Museum in NW London and seeing how its a virtual ghost town, I seriously doubt that it will survive in its present state.

I’m sure if they put on a few more exhibitions about White Privilege that will have all the visitors flocking back.

Or not. Just look at the National Trust and their slavery audit which led to more cancelled memberships.

I cancelled my NT subscription years ago when they allowed the senseless and unscientifc culling of badgers on their properties. Give all my charity money to the Wildlife Trusts and RSPB instead.

RSPB is hardly an innocent flower.

Doesn’t surprise me. I know of people who have cancelled due to the patronising interpretation in their properties and jumping on every woke bandwagon going.

Deservedly so!

I have no sympathy. They should have said to the government that Covid restrictions were unworkable. The little corner shop can’t do that but big retail, big business, theatres, museums, the CBI, FSB et, all should have protested vigorously.

Why would big museums, theatres etc protest vigorously? They are shielded from economic reality by grant moneys, so there was every incentive not to rock the boat and jeopardise their comfortable lives. Now though, they are running face-first into harsh reality.
But those of us for whom the arts are an important part of life will lose out.
Maybe life would be better if I were just a bovine consumer of nothing more taxing than ‘Enders, Corry and Californian Plonk every night!

Exactly. I work in the sector and it has angered me that their cowardice has led us into this situation. As they say united we stand, divided we fall – all the museum directors should have banded together, said no and would rather take their chances with the old normal before March 2020.

Now they are paying with their complicity.

I used to go to museums (I suppose I should say musea) quite a lot and I would usually spend a LONG time therein. My wife is similar. It is not possible to visit large museums like the Ashmolean, Fitzwilliam or the British Museum in one day; much better, in my view, to concentrate on one specific area and leave the rest for another time. But with all these restrictions (for safety they say, I never felt unsafe before) I refuse to go and it is obvious that I am not alone. Get rid of all the restrictions, face-nappies and anti-social distancing and THEN you will see visitor numbers increase. The first museum that does this and takes down ALL the patronising drivel will soon see a flood of visitors.
While we are talking about the patronising drivel, it must have cost something to (a) buy all those useless signs and (b) employ someone to put them up. Remove all of them and get civil servants to pay for them OUT OF THEIR OWN POCKET. That MIGHT concentrate a few minds. Why should the taxpayer pay for this nonsense?

I know of people who have visited museums during this time and don’t stay long – they only come for a particular exhibition, don’t bother to view the permanent collection,and avoid the shops and cafes. As one visitor to where I work has asked “why do I want to stay any longer with this piece of cloth over my face?”

I broke my boycott to see the Titian exhibition (as am a member) at National Gallery and the one way system was such an abomination that I wrote them a stinging reply to a survey they sent me. I pretty much told them that it was a waste of time and if I an able bodied person was struggling with the one way route, how much more someone with mobility issues? It really, really angers me that in the name of “safety”, disabled people, those with long term illnesses and with mental health issues have been thrown under the bus.

This Trump coronavirus episode has highlighted how many sceptics are actually not so confident in their scepticism, including Toby Young.

Here we are day in day out making the case that this virus isn’t all that dangerous – little more than the flu etc… – and the moment Trump caught it it, the doom set in.

On reflection though, it’s highlighted how much of the British perception of the virus has been shaped by Boris Johnson’s experience with it. Him catching it and having such a bad time of it probably did more to frighten the British public than anything else.

Let’s hope the Trump experience, which is actually the more normal one based on the statistics, has the opposite effect now. Hopefully. everyone in the White House catching and shaking it off will snap the world out of its psychosis.

Go Trump!

Trump trumps the doom mongers. The Donald is back in the ring.

Unfortunately, from a brief reading of some comments elsewhere, I’m not sure that will shake the hardened Trump hater out of their dream. And I say that as a hardened Trump hater – who can also read, think, and analyse information, and adapt accordingly.

Trump is a polarising figure and that’s not going to change because he “survives” covid.

It isn’t but it might persuade enough swing voters in swing states to vote for him. I cannot abide the man either, I hasten to add but I think he is going to win this election.

Johnson was at least 30kg’s overweight. His obesity has been widely underestimated 17 stone plus at 5 9 is dangerous territory with any viral illness and top 1% in population obesity.

What Trump’s recovery should do is reduce fear with people in the late 60’s and 70’s with no pre-existing medical issues. Most are in better shape than Trump, who had high blood pressure pre China Virus..

Also this winter hopefully more bespoke treatment plans, rather than one size fits all will be more prevalent through some NHS Trusts than April.

Do you believe the Doris ‘touch and go’ serious illness?
I don’t.

I think the “brush with death” story is total bollox.

the doom set in only because of the worry that despite our scepticism about how dangerous covid is supposed to be, there was always a possibility that Trump could be seriously ill, given his age. Had that happened then it would have been a real setback to scepticism as this would have been used by the lockdowners.
As it is, Trump’s infection was mild, as we thought it would be.

I think people are actually confident in their scepticism. Toby didn’t wobble but his tone recognised that if anything did happen to Trump (no matter how small the likelihood) it would be extremely damaging to our cause. The MSM are going to twist the facts to promote even more hysteria

Making children safe in schools. The whole thing is absolute nonsense. A neighbour’s two grandchildren go to the same school, a child in the younger ones class of 3 year olds contracted the virus and the whole class has to isolate for 14 days now. Yet the older grandchild can go to school and the parents don’t need to isolate. What is the point?

It’s lockdown by stealth. People (parents) are stupid enough to get tests and voila lots of people get locked up. It’s not supposed to make sense. When someone tests positive in the other class that whole class will be off…

Ha, yeah. My daughter and one of her friends are in different ‘bubbles’ at school. They are both with the same childminder two mornings a week who takes them to school together but has to drop them off at different entrances! Farcical!

Yep, we’ve had exactly the same. But I’ve long since given up on trying to rationalise the irrational.

blubble bluster wind farms um vaccine green wibble stay indoors wibble come out go in blubba out in out in um get a bicycle arse vagina tits waffle um green no christmas um vaccine save the um nhs blobba you are all um doomed blib tits blub um don’t touch granny…. just um die you plebs. I must build back green for Carrie, Wilf and um Prince Charles. My father was a cunt, I am a cunt.. fuck you all.

lol

That makes so much more sense than the original!

Here is a nice explanation of the maths of whether you are or or not infected if you test positive – and the chance if you test positive a second time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R13BD8qKeTg

Good one. Thanks!

Ivor Cummins posted a new video focusing on the UK situation: URGENT UPDATE: Societal Damage from Bad Science, not the Virus? Why are they doing this?
The usual calm, measured review of statistics that I love from Ivor. I donate a little money to him when I can to keep him going. He’s really a light in the darkness.

He’s promoting the hashtag #WhyAreTheyDoingThis as a place to promote evidence to counter the scare stories. I’m thinking about setting up a Twitter account just to post links to articles I’m reading and I hate Twitter.

#WhyAreTheyDoingThis was trending nicely yesterday. Cue the demands from the usual suspects for twitter to ban it.

I’d advise against it. Being on Twitter is like swimming in sewage.

I know. It’s definitely a sewer. But as someone who can’t go to demonstrations, I’ve got to do something. I post regularly on the Daily Mail and occasionally on the Guardian (when I can stomach it).

Plus, walking down the street is like swimming in sewage these days. More masked zombies outside now.

I set up a twitter account recently just to be another anti lockdown voice on the forum as it seems to have such a large effect on policy and the national conversation.

Hope matt can post details of his ‘interesting WhatsApp conversation’! My curiosity has been piqued.

(For those who don’t know, yesterday a member on here called matt referred to a WhatsApp conversation he had with a friend who intimated that there ‘may be light at the end of the tunnel before Christmas’).

Edit: Just seen that he said he couldn’t share… damn. Well, I’ll be keeping my ears to the ground for any interesting developments in the next few weeks…

I saw that thread too … come on, I know I’m a bit slow, but please let on!

matt is a sensible poster who should be taken seriously.

Yes that got my brain whirring too, Poppy. I can’t imagine any one thing that would allow us all to start to undo all the damage but any reason to be hopeful is welcome.

Yes, sorry. I can’t quote something I’ve been asked to keep in confidence. I’ll be happy to express it as opinion here and there, though. I should say that this isn’t absolutely a silver bullet, but it does suggest there’s a timetable and hope for the near-ish future, and hope for the future is more than I had yesterday morning.

Trump is definitely the superior candidate in the US for me. However it’s a low bar over there (as it is here). I can’t rule out that for me there’s a reasonable possibility the Covid stuff with Trump has been orchestrated or amplified in a particular way to boost his apparently flagging campaign. Probably not, but the thought has crossed my mind a number of times.

Anyway. If his campaign on Covid is based on ‘living without fear; we’ve got to live our lives’, then that’s fantastic. I can only hope it influences things over here. I don’t see UK government changing direction – they’re way too deep and it’s the fallacy of sunk costs; they’ve staked far too much on their covid response to change direction.

It’ll have to come from parliament or the public. Maybe the votes today and tomorrow will be a pushback – although I should say I absolutely don’t trust Steve Baker, he’s on the right side at the moment but he’s a total flake in my view (where was he for the last six months?) and not someone to be relied upon.

I also would point out that Trump is not out of the woods with Covid – doesn’t the bad stuff tend to hit 10-14 days after infection, often after someone ‘feels better’?

As ever I think the polls are nonsense. Biden is an old creep with young children, despite the media not wanting to talk about it its now well known in the populace.
The Democrats are a toxic party far too aligned with identity politics. The silent majority can’t stand this attack on their culture I suspect a trump win again.

I wouldn’t worry about Trump’s health, somehow I don’t think he’s got a real problem. Trump may well be better than Biden but I wouldn’t vote for either of them, even if I could.

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/covid-coronavirus-symptom-skin-rash-4576736?fbclid=IwAR2aKHa-6PSZl0WTaECS9m1DvFI3rOP3WuVFl1924T2TaJ6TvRpnoZydpVs

This is getting ridiculous, most viral illnesses can cause a rash, particularly in children.

They’re now really scrapping the bottom of the barrel with this.

Why don’t they just come out and say that being alive is a symptom of Covid 19? Its now reaching the point where one thinks that this virus is simply being made up to justify this continuing march to authoritarianism.

Nothing new, though. There was plenty of press coverage about this months back.

I saw someone claim that diarrhoea and vomiting is a symptom. Yes, breathing is a symptom of covid.

Vomiting is a symbol of Coronascepticism, triggered by sight of nappied zombies, government morons, etc.

Earlier in the year, after a bout of cold/cough over Christmas, I had persistent nettle rash (urticaria). I mentioned it to my GP (the last time I saw a doctor face to face) at my annual review in March and he wasn’t interested. Still suspect I had the nasty back then.

Daily Reminder .. Local press propagate BBC/Government covid lies and propaganda
BBC employ 149 journalists embedded in local press

The Leicester Mercury and sister papers Nottingham Post and Derby Telegraph have 5 embedded BBC reporters. See page 6

It’s is very odd indeed how topsy turvy this year has been.

• Logic and reasoning must be disregarded if they do not further the cause of saving lives, but not just any lives only Covid related ones
• The human immune system apparently no longer serves any purpose
• People will willingly lose their lives and livelihoods because somebody told them there is no other choice, when there is plenty of evidence to show there are other options

But the crowning glory of just how messed up the world has become:

• A vote for Trump is effectively a vote for freedom

From the minute Trump said he was running i said he’s win. It was obvious. The way the media lie about him have exposed their agenda and now everyone who works for the MSM has been shown to be the lying, corrupt deep state stooges they are. All these celebrities, actors, musicians and such who support the government line have been exposed. The problem is the child killing death cult that rules over us won’t let go without a fight. I’d hazard a guess, and i might be wrong, but i’d say if you’re surprised by the idea that vote for Trump is a vote for freedom then you haven’t been paying attention. It is bizarre that such a man would turn out to be the saviour of the west, but he’s not saved us yet. We still need these evil fucks in the old government, the media liars and the corporate shills dealt with.
The people who watch and believe the BBC scare me the most, they think they know what’s going on but they are so brainwashed that they’d go from passive tv watchers to putting a bullet in your head if asked to do so. We truly live in scary times

Look we made an illogical fear and blind obedience and VIRTUE! And any logical or skeptical though a HERESY! This is the world we live in and will be for a long ,long time.

Nothing changed. Still don’t give a fuck about the virus, couldn’t care who’s had it or died from it. The government is still a lying murderous child raping bunch of wankers who sell bombs to sand savages on one hand and then claim they want to keep us safe on the other. That barren slapper in Scotland who seems infatuated by that Gates new world order muppet giving her “advice” when i suspect thats not all she’s giving her. These people have us locked down, unable to live, can’t visit your friend and parents for nearly 7 months now. It’s to to fucking stop it. Time for each and every one of us to refuse. Time to call out every person you know who supports this in the most aggressive terms. Time to cut ties with people who support this lockdown

I live in hope that businesses here tell her to piss off when she announces the long-planned lockdown this week, but I am not optimistic.

Went to the Pharmacy to pick up my wife’s prescription. I was the only unmasked customer and being non-compliant is the way to go. The pharmacy staff were not bothered bothered and were themselves unmasked.

I know this is off-topic (apologies!) but why on earth is the Bill Gates-sponsored lockdown “scientist” Neil Ferguson being given a platform on BBC Radio 4’s Today Programme yet again this morning? And with soft questioning and no opposing viewpoint…?

Oh wait…I think I have just answered my own questions

Because the BBC are evil, the people who work for it are liars and they are the mouthpiece of the evil bastards that rule us with an iron fist no problem at all. If the bloke next door was covering up child rape and god knows what else and you found out about it would you keep listening to what they had to say? I now just assume anyone who works for or appears on the BBC is either a child rapist/murderer or supports it or turns a blind eye for money. Fuck radio 4

If you go to the Bill and Melinda Gates donation page you will see they give money to The Guardian, BBC, Telegraph.. etc etc. For example, all Telegraph articles written by Global Health Security Team are those funded by Gates. You will see this on the Gates donations page – donation Telegraph – Global Health Security… Imperial is one of the biggest recipients of Gates’ money.

Defund the BBC. Cancel your licence. Don’t watch the twaddle. For me I’ve gone full convert and don’t listen to R4 either. It used to be the intelligent voice of the nation. Now it’s woke claptrap and propaganda.

Had a dip at Sweden as well with no figures. Robinson clearly with a producer in his ear at the end gave another free platform to go at Sweden, again no figures. BBC this morning both Burnham and Ferguson on. If I want information those are about the last two people I would ask.

I thought the justifications he gave for dismissing Sewden’s example were a bit lame – something along the lines that a lockdown wasn’t needed because Swedes being more cautious and old people living on their own. I’m quoting from memory – a transcript of his exact words would be useful to read.

Didn’t hear the interview, but the standard zealot response to “what about Sweden?” is incredibly patronising to the British. It boils down to “the Swedes can be trusted to be sensible, but you lot need to be forced.”

It’s unacceptable. Anyone trotting out that line of rubbish should be ashamed of themselves.

I think you have it bang on there, both to what he said and the implication of what he said.

And be told to piss off.

Because it’s the BBC and Bill Gates feeds money into the Beeb, as well as into Imperial College.

I would be cautious about crowing over Trump’s recovery too soon – he sounded very breathless to me. But so far he seems to have done much better than our blond overweight leader.

If he is still sick it makes his words even more priceless: “Don’t let it dominate your life.” We all have to accept that we might get sick. We might have long term complications. If we’re really unlucky we might even die. But screw it, the clock is ticking for all of us anyway, we can’t put our lives on hold waiting for a vaccine that may never arrive. Don’t let it dominate your life.

He might as well have said “don’t let them dominate your life” because it’s not the virus that is pulling all the levers.

Yes, I said “don’t let the government dominate your life” but your version is more succinct.

Peter Hitchens and Mike Graham excellent as always on the coronapanic nonsense. Also some good analysis by Hitchens of our systemic political problems.

“ …. although the two political parties had many faults and no one’s saying they were perfect, the great thing was that they more or less represented the old divide in the country, which existed I suppose up until the mid-sixties, which was basically a class divide. But since then they don’t represent the divide in the country, which is now something completely different. I’d sum it up in shorthand as the difference between Polly Toynbee of the Guardian, and me. It’s all about social and moral issues, and education and marriage and sex and things of that kind, and not about nationalisation and trade unions any more. The two political parties are basically very much on the Polly Toynbee side. They don’t really have anything to fight each other against, so they have these phony wrestling matches every few years in which they pretend to be opposed to each other and in which huge amounts of money are spent on public relations tricks of various kinds and one party or the other wins….the Tory party nearly died, should have died, in 2010, but was madly saved by the electorate who decided to rescue it from its deserved doom, and also what’s more to endorse David Cameron’s Blairisation of it, so that the Tory party had become under David Cameron a Blairite party and Tory voters rushed to vote to approve this, and so they saved it. If that hadn’t happened the Tory party would in my view have collapsed, been unable to raise funds, or continue, and there would then have been a hole. ”

Peter Hitchens: “Testing has always been a bizarre fetish”
Hitchens is one of the best analysts of this issue, which he has been examining and writing about for many years, imo, and he puts his finger on why so many Brits (including him and me) are basically unrepresented, because of the collapse of the “Conservative” Party into irrelevance. I abhor almost everything that Polly Toynbee represents and stands for.

Crimes Against Humanity
Dr Reiner Fuellmich
50 minutes of clear, detailed, accurate good news.

Just shy of a million views between the English and German versions in two days.

https://youtu.be/kr04gHbP5MQ

Also available on Bitchute and Brandnewtube.

https://brandnewtube.com/v/QdCpGL

Did watch that. Best one hour summary of the whole crisis narrated in clear, concise and accessible but not patronising language.

It has value seen simply, as you say, as a clear summary. That it also promises a potential bite back is uplifting to experience.

Just been listening to Sunak being interviewed on R4.

My interpretation is that he failed to give enthusiastic support for the PM, and certainly not for the lockdowns.

Reminds me a lot of John Major in the early days.

The cracks in the government are appearing especially as Sunak is giving as good as he gets especially after he was blamed for the rise in “cases” due to Eat Out to Help Out.

If Sunak keeps hammering home the point that the economy is lives and that we can’t carry on living in fear of the virus then he can be on to a winner.

Yes, he’s just been on TalkRadio too and for all his gush about the PM, he sounds like they’re divergent on lockdown.

On his R4 interview I didn’t hear it as gush, rather as someone going through the necessaries in expressing his support for the PM.

He will be mad keen to get out of his current job. Guaranteed to be the most hated man in the country very soon is the chancellor. His body language wasn’t positive when he had to announce the extension of the JRS scheme. The original plan was to end it in June.

That extension will be a disaster. Short-term thinking at it’s most ruinous.

Half the time I notice that Sunak’s body language is of someone who has lost the will to live.

He must be tearing his hair out at the government’s intransigence and he knows that the blame will be laid on him when this all goes belly up.

Next item on skynews is an interview with a Long Covid victimee. It may be interesting to learn how they have been declared to have Long Covid.

Is it a requirement to have a Lab test for Covid prior to getting the label Long Covid?

I can only see Long Covid is there to add a deliberate layer of rubbish to the overall farce.

Not to say viral infections do not in some cases carry a legacy of issues.

Why is there no footage of people at home with the covid dry cough etc?

Don’t people take selfies of their suffering?

Some stats on the actual numbers of sufferers would be useful. I don’t doubt that some people have lingering aftereffects but without numbers it’s impossible to say how much of a problem it is.

Even so, if deaths are or can be minimised then Long Covid on it’s own would not be justification for all the extreme measures taken.

You put it clearly, yes. I’m not doubting there are lingering effects in some from vital infections.

I’m not buying into Long Covid as a condition. The primary covid infection is defined by lab result not symptoms under WHO guidance. Yet we’re supposed to rely on symptoms alone for long covid? Definition of Long Covid from other legacy illness appears unlikely imo.

I wondered the same thing. How can you claim “long covid” if you can’t confirm that you even had covid. And I’ve seen people claiming it from back illnesses back in March or April when you couldn’t get a test unless you went into hospital.

Yes another propaganda tool to keep the crisis going until Billy’s jabs are ready.

It’ll be the next pseudo illness for the mentally ill like “chronic lime disease” when there’s no evidence that they never even had a tick bite let alone actual lime disease.

With Remembrance Sunday on the horizon, we need a campaign.
Let’s saturate the country with badges, stickers, pamphlets, badges, along these lines:

WEAR YOU FACE NAPPY WITH SHAME.
THEY DIED FOR YOUR FREEDOM.
YOU THREW IT AWAY.

Hear, hear Annie. I always have a Royal British Legion collection tin and I will put that on the box with the poppies in.

Last Sunday someone here on posted a video from a scientist from South Africa raising the alarm of the vaccine being trialed in Africa.

Rather odd that no-one who has jumped on the BLM bandwagon has anything to say about it.

BLM are only intrested in certain black deaths.Ones they can use to discredit a certain president.
The same tactic was used here during the Stephen Lawrence affair

That’s what I’ve always suspected. They don’t care about Africans and they certainly don’t like those who don’t fit into their narrative – upwardly mobile, socially conservative and successful.

This is that video
https://youtu.be/kJ0F3mgabBE

A thoroughly shocking watch if you don’t know how the poorest communities available are being exploited by the Oxford vaccine trial in order to test the vaccine your mask wearing neighbour is praying for.

Country M a commenter had the gteat idea of posting the vidoe up on facebook with the words – Black Lives Matter – nothing more just the link and those words.

Please watch and shard the video – humans should not be exploited.

I watched that last Sunday and it was shocking. Makes you wonder why this isn’t being reported widely.

Cancel that! On second thought….I know why.

Important to remember that BLM stands for Black Lives Manipulated .

Asking questions about these trials would not suit the agenda of the oligarchs who payroll BLM. They don’t give two hoots about poor Africans, apart from wanting to reduce their numbers.

It’s sickening, but that’s how this works. So “nothing to see here”.

And just like the Chinese, they see Africa as a place to be exploited.

Despicable.

Crimes Against Humanity: class action with leading tort lawyers against the instigators of the corona-scam : video available : watch this immediately, please.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kr04gHbP5MQ

Watched this a couple of days ago – highly informative and convincing arguments from someone with a track record of uncovering fraud and corruption. Well worth the 40 minutes. I hope he brings it on and we seen a worldwide reckoning.

In the meantime I hope all goes well for Simon Dolans Injunction hearing, expected next week

https://twitter.com/OzraeliAvi/status/1313228078433230848?s=20

Here is my latest review on TwatAdvisor:

Not COVID Safe
No masks
No sanitiser
No distancing
No real attempt at contact tracing
Watched a very unsatisfactory table clean

I would not recommend this establishment in the current environment

And the best review, I had yesterday from an elderly lady and her 94 year old husband, to my face:

“You are wonderfully normal, thank you”

And good riddance to the miserable twat and all its miserable readers. You don’t need their custom.

And the four people who found it ‘helpful’

Are you in North Yorkshire? I’ll support your business

I wish I was (I hail from that neck of the woods). Sadly, in NW Essex.

Whereabouts as it is my neck of the woods

People’s Republic of Saffron Walden.

I truly wish I could come for a cup of tea and a cake. I think my wife would think I’d gone stark raving mad if I told her we were going on a day trip to Saffron Walden, à propos of nothing, though.

It certainly is worth a visit. Beautiful countryside in NW Essex.

I’m in Hadstock so will come and visit. What’s the name of your cafe?

You can find it on Trip Advisor by filtering on the location and “coffee/tea”. I’m in Essex but a bit far away for a drop in. Looks great and sensible. K has had a torrid time with reviews. Hopefully common sense will prevail soon. I think any contributor close to Saffron Walden should pop in and leave a supportive review..

Thanks, that’s really kind. I get to the stage where I don’t read them anymore, they just drain me and I’m nearly at the end of my rag anyway.

Found you! Will come in and say hello!

Great! Please just come in – most just hover by the door and ask if it is OK to come in!

Now why would you ask that?

Sounds like they are describing the perfect place to go.

Can you tag yourself on TwatAdvisor with #NotAfraid or #NoBedwetters or something?

I was discussing with some LS customers yesterday the possibility of having a carol concert but disguising it as a funeral. I suggested we buy a cardboard coffin and attach the words “RIP British Democracy”

When I was in Kent for August Bank Holiday I was reccying restaurants and found one in Hythe which had reviews just like your first one. My immediate response was to book and it was lovely. Sane people don’t judge purely on star ratings – I actually only use Tripadvisor for restaurants which don’t have sample menus on their websites (a common problem when travelling in Europe) and I take personal opinions with more than a pinch of salt.

Sounds great! When can I pop in?

I actually saw that review on TwatAdvisor and its made me more determined to visit your cafe.

Am planning a day trip to your neck of the woods soon.

And I’d love to meet you Bart. I think you’d really like SW. It used to have a fantastic concert hall. I had planned this year (BC) to go to several concerts. Nicola Benedetti was a frequent performer there.

Ditto!!! Will let you know closer to the time!

Just tell them not to come back if they are that worried. They should stay hiding under the bed, wrecking the economy so they don’t lose their sense of smell for a week. Idiots.

I don’t use TripAdvisor, but if I saw that review I would take is as a ringing endorsement. At such a shop I might be treated like a human being, get a ‘good morning’, maybe even a smile!

I wish we had a cafe around here with a review like ‘Not COVID safe …’

Sounds like free advertising for you!

The response from my family to the ‘not covid safe’ review,was.’that sounds perfect,when can we go’ !.

I would regard the first five lines as a recommendation and ignore the last as being from a sourpuss.

You bring a little joy into our lives and boy how we need it.

Reported in the Sun.Scotland 2 week circuit breaker lockdown from Friday to coincide with half term

I thought John Knox was dead.

Locking people indoors with their kids in October. When will Scotland rebel?

Working from a plan,it is so obvious now.

Well considering she hinted at this weeks ago, then yeah, it is obvious that deaths, cases, hospitalisations, whatever could be anywhere and this would still be happening. And Scotland won’t rebel because most people here are infatuated with this psycho FM as she claims to be doing things differently than England; and getting it up the English is the most important thing to these morons.

She says she knows it’s tough. How does she know? She lives off our tax money to the tune of hundreds of thousands of pounds. What does he know about how seven months of this nonsense has done to us. We can’t keep locking everyone up. It’s got to stop. She’s not saved a single life. None of the things she is doing can be proven to have saved anyone. Ignore her and her government. They don’t have my consent. This isn’t a government it’s a fascist dictatorship. Can someone tell these motherfuckers you can’t control a virus and if people die because of it then so fucking what. That’s he nature of things. They’ll be no country left to save if she keeps doing this. It’s almost like because she can’t have her delusional independence in Europe while still using the pound as a currency she’s gonna destroy us back into the stone age. And yet there are people out there who think nothing of doing this to us and seem quite happy to do this to us forever. I really really despise the SNP and the absolute mongs that support her. The only good thing about it is all these people supporting her are gonna suffer poverty they’ve never known in the coming months and years. She’ll be fine though because once she’s gone she’ll live on her massive pension and no doubt a job in some sinister Gates run company for psychopaths. They’ll be a book telling us how well she did and how she stood side by side with the public as they lost everything they worked their whole life for. Yeah it’s tough Sturgeon but only because you made it so.

We shouldn’t even call it a ‘Government’. We didn’t used to. Her ‘Ministers’ now call themselves ‘Secretary of State’. How dare they. She confuses goverment with Country, and party with government. She’s hijaked the flag. Her husband runs the party. She’s Nationalised the Police. She meddles in foreign affairs at our expense. It’s unbelievable.

Executive. That’s all.

Mind Control = Govern ment.

The latin speakers will tell you that’s the correct meaning of government.

She must go; she must ; we need rid of her and her creepy cabal of activist control addicts.

I find the mass hypnosis of a formerly robust, humorous independently minded bunch like the Scots of yore to be deeply troubling and I hate it.

What a rancorous censorious self righteous place this now is.

Exactly a predicted were by the “leaked document” 2 weeks ago.

Great update today Toby.

The next debate writes itself.

“what I’m saying is old people, vulnerable people, (looks at Biden) people like you, Joe, yes, people like you I wanna help you, protect you, keep you safe Joe, but healthy people, young people (looks at camera) you good people, don’t be afraid, you can beat this virus, just like I did…”

I see the BBC have managed to find a Dr to rubbish Trumps recovery on the latest Radio2 news…

Probaly useful to look at Trump’s actions in light of the fact that he is not going to let China take the piss out of America over a fake pandemic.

The Great Reset which is dismissed as conspiracy theory, seems to be what is happening. The chaos now is to prepare people for a different way of life. The climate change lobby determining the direction.

Look up the planned 2021 Davos meeting and see what are the subjects for discussion.

Just saw your reply, yes, all coming from there in January.

I had a YouGov questionnaire relating to the great reset today.
Scary! One question was really odd: blablabla to create a society to respect all genders/trans gender, cannot remember the exact wording.

Its mainly about sustainability, saving the planet etc. All from the Climate Change lobby. Covid has been a way to slow everything down, apparently, to see how people react to changes, how much they comply etc. The changes are to be revealed in Davos January 2021

I get that Trump is divisive but he’s one of the few politicians to have spoken plainly about how our attitudes to the virus need to change. Two key quotes:

In the spring: “We’re going to open up, and people are going to die”

And now: “Don’t be afraid of it. Don’t let it dominate you”.

He is spot on, we have GOT to just take the risks just as we do with driving, eating, flying, living generally etc.

No economy in the world is optimised to create lots of jobs and prosperity while trying to avoid this virus like it’s the Black Death. We must re-open (while being courteous and sensible about hand-washing and if we have a fevers – as you should ANYWAY) and if a vaccine comes great, give it to the old or vulnerable. Otherwise, we have a moral duty to carry on without restriction.

It’s worth reading Trump’s speech from Davos in January.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-world-economic-forum-davos-switzerland/

I’ve just posted a complaint to the BBC after listening to Radio 4 this morning. I hope that other’s might consider registering their displeasure. If the BBC continue to give a platform to the likes of Ferguson – whilst failing to balance their coverage – the fearful will never re-engage with life.

Dear Sir,

I am continually surprised by the airtime and credence Radio 4 give to Neil Ferguson.

Notwithstanding his discredited modelling (and indeed his failure to respect the guidelines put in place on account of his discredited modelling), yet again he was given a platform on the Today programme on Radio 4 to give his opinion.

Moreover the questioning by Nick Robinson was nothing like that which would be reserved for a politician. Incredibly Ferguson was permitted to say that if further restrictions were not put in place the NHS will be ‘overwhelmed’ again.

Even during the height of the pandemic the NHS wasn’t even close to being overwhelmed and now the situation is very different. But instead of trying to push back on this claim, Nick Robinson tried to extract a fear mongering quote – attempting to get Ferguson to day ‘There’s a real threat of the NHS now being overwhelmed’ so that the BBC could feature him on hourly news bulletins.

Ferguson’s explanation for why Sweden had faired relatively well – which inconveniently runs contrary to his position – wasn’t questioned either. Robinson should have outlined the counter argument.

Ferguson’s ‘opinions’ were taken as gospel and were not dissected effectively at all.

Moreover, Nick Robinson failed to ask why we should take Ferguson’s opinion as significant, especially considering his weak past record in both modelling and mortality rates.

Aside from his discredited modelling for Covid:

In 2001, he predicted that foot and mouth disease could kill up to 50,000 people. It ended up killing less than 200.
In 2005, he told the Guardian that up to 200 million people could die from bird flu. The final death toll from avian flu strain A/H5N1 was 440.
In 2009, a Government estimate based on one of Ferguson’s models estimated the likely death toll from swine flu at 65,000. In fact, it was 457.

I truly feel that there is a continued and significant lack of balance in the BBC’s coverage of the pandemic .

You forgot to add his rule breaking with a married woman. I heard the interview, it was despicable.

Cancelled my licence fee direct debit. Not paying for this crap!

What took you so long?

You are right! What are they going to do, send the TV detector van round? Another massive con by the BBC/GPO!

“ In 2001, he predicted that foot and mouth disease could kill up to 50,000 people. It ended up killing less than 200.”

Where is this meme coming from? I’ve seen it repeated here numerous time but it needs to be made clear: FMD does NOT kill humans.

The trouble with making factual errors like this is that it calls into question the veracity of the remaining facts.

I’m afraid I chickened out and turned the radio off. I didn’t want to risk a heart attack through excess anger.

I updated this late last night.I think it is very extraordinary that Gupta has not been involved much by the Gov and now this speaking with Scott Atlas!

From US Minister Azar
“In the conversation with Martin Kulldorff, PhD (Harvard), Jay Bhattacharya, MD, PhD (Stanford), and Sunetra Gupta, PhD (Oxford), we heard strong reinforcement of the Trump Administration’s strategy of aggressively protecting the vulnerable while opening schools and the workplace.”

Funny.Gupta hardly had an opportunity to speak to Boris J by phone but can fly to Washington and get in touch with the top echelon of US C-19 response!

Has anyone had any experience with being challenged for your mask exemption – in a place where masks are not legally required please?

Upon reopening, my gym made it compulsory to wear a mask when queuing outdoors, when entering/exiting, when walking around, when using loo, when returning equipment etc – basically all the time except when you’re exercising in your marked box on the floor.

There’s a myriad of other ridiculous rules too, but I made it clear that I couldn’t continue my membership until masks exemptions were accepted, and they just refunded me.

Since it is private premises, are they free to implement whatever rules they want? Or am I being discriminated against under the Equality Act? Pubs, restaurants, shops etc are also private premises, but the Gov seems to have introduced laws there. I can’t find any advice online about whether exemptions are permitted in spaces where the relevant law isn’t even concerned anyway. Any thoughts gratefully received please!

Note: I don’t want to threaten them with anything. As bonkers as the owners are I really miss the community as it was my main social interaction

I suspect that this is in breach of the Equality Act 2010 – it is a bit like banning people due to any other disability. Check the laworfiction.com website – I think that you can post a question there.

From the Act:

“It is against the law to discriminate against anyone because of:

• disability “

“You’re protected from discrimination:

• at work
• in education
• as a consumer
• when using public services
• when buying or renting property
• as a member or guest of a private club or association”

As the legislation regarding facemasks/coverings is self declared, I think that refusal to allow your entry into the gym without a facemask is discrimination. However, I am not a lawyer and this needs to be checked.

Fab thanks guys. I do have a genuine reason that would stand up to cross-examination. Although I would regard this as my private medical history and wouldn’t disclose it without knowing how that info would be used/stored etc. However, I suspect that most people who know me also know I am a sceptic who thinks that the whole mask agenda is a completely unjustified infringement of our liberties.
So it’s hard to be both as I can see how people would doubt 1. if you believe 2!

I am hoping that my gym membership would be covered under “member of a private club or association”.

It’s in breach of the Equality Act if they’re turning away somebody who has a genuine reason not to be able to wear a mask that is related to a physical or mental impairment. It’s worthwhile making this point to them and making sure they understand their obligations under the law, but unless you have an actual, provable reason that would stand up under cross examination in court, you are setting yourself up for a fall if you pursue it

Fab thanks. I had been to laworfiction but I didn’t realise that they had a forum there too.

Your second paragraph just highlights the sheer ludicrousness of the situation: A virus so “dangerous” that you have the energy to get to the gym, never mind participating in strenuous exercise.

To your fourth paragraph: Private premises don’t have the right to implement whatever rules they want if it is contrary to law. What they do retain is the right to refuse admission for any reason whatsoever so long as it doesn’t break one of the anti-discrimination laws.

Thanks, that’s really helpful. It is absolutely ludicrous. They’ve gone down the lines of assuming that the only reason people won’t return is because it’s not “safe” enough. I suspect I’m not the only person they’ve put off though. Unfortunately we’re in one of the doomed “local lockdown” areas so set to be under siege indefinitely due to an unending spiral of false positives from perfectly healthy people who’ve just been persuaded to take a test in the park.

Kirstie Allsopp asks on Twitter:

Kirstie Allsopp

@KirstieMAllsopp

Is it better to live a final month in love & the comfort of human touch or a final year in isolation, worried that your family have forgotten you. There is a fate worth than death. and we are condemning many elderly people to that fate.

https://twitter.com/KirstieMAllsopp/status/1313240987070857218

I try to keep my Twitter presence as low key as possible so don’t tend to post replies to this sort of question on there.

However death is something that I do and have thought about. For instance I’ve thought about which of my parents would cope better if the other died first. Some people may shy away from such thoughts but it’s something most people will have to deal with at some point.

But back to the question posed. It strikes at the heart of what I suspect most people fear and that is being alone. The world is a much harsher place if you are alone in even your thoughts.

It’s probably bad enough living a lonely life but there can’t be much worse than dying alone and by that I mean how it might feel in your final moments. Not having been in that situation I can only speculate but imagine how much better it would be if there was at least one close person there to show that you meant something to somebody else during your time on this earth.

If you die alone or in the presence of strangers then your final moments may well be spent wondering what was it all for. In the end it maybe doesn’t matter because once you’re dead everything becomes irrelevant but I’d like to think that we could give people at least the chance of some final moments of happiness or whatever you want to call it.

I don’t really want to ponder on how people would feel if those thoughts were made to drag on for weeks or months.

There was a story a few years ago of a young woman cyclist hit by a truck turning left in London. She was stuck under it. A passer by crawled under and held her. He couldn’t do any more than that. No-one could. A few moments later she was dead. Before the ambulance arrived. All the health and safety, our NHS, all the rest of it, none of it helped but maybe the presence of someone in that moment, maybe that helped, a bit. It’s always stuck with me.

sad story but saying the cyclist was “hit by truck” is not fair on truck drivers. What usually happens is that a truck will stop at lights indicating left. Whilst stopped cyclists will go up the inside and will stop in a place invisible to the truck driver. Lights change, driver cannot see cyclist in his mirror, turns left and the cyclist goes under the truck. And the truck driver is blamed.
City centre cyclists tend to have no respect for drivers, pedestrians or rules of the road.

Ages ago I got a bit mangled in London when a van turning left knocked me off and drove over my bike.

I harboured a grudge for years, but the reality was that I was at least a much to blame as the driver because I was riding right where he couldn’t see me.

We’re all responsible for our own safety, I guess. Well, we used to be. Now it’s Doris’ responsibility, and we should all be grateful, dammit.

As Toby points out, Trumps recovery is a major blow to the lockdown zealots and the reactionary left.

Don’t underestimate how important this could be in the forthcoming election and for the US covid response, as his recovery will blow a lot of ‘established narratives’ out of the water in the US. Americans will start asking questions when previously they just accepted the leftist dominated MSM lines.

I know Trump is an extremely divisive figure across the political spectrum, but I think he’s a vital cog in the ongoing culture wars we are embroiled in. We need him to stand up to China and take a metaphorical baseball bat to the long march infested cultural institutions in the US, so our useless government will be forced to do the same in the UK.

In brazil deaths and infections continue to fall not far off herd immunity , over by x mas,

Nick Hudson South Africa has created a website and remarkble update data about C-19 not only SA but also the world.Very accessible.Pandata

https://www.pandata.org.za/

Try the live data stream

Stole this from the excelgate thread…

https://twitter.com/search?q=%23excelgate&src=trend_click&vertical=trends

Crisp

Made me laugh!

Or this

Is this going too far?

No Mabel. These people will be turning in their graves to see what has happened to our country. I’ll take a hundred please and I’ll spread them far and wide. Keep up the good work. Cheers, Arnie.

Are you kidding? This is brilliant. Should be posted everywhere, both online and on flyers.

Isn’t the main message ‘get a life bin the mask’? So I wonder if it shouldn’t go at the top of the flyer. Most people will glance at the photograph and wonder what it’s about, not bothering to read further.
Sorry, but I have a very low opinion of people’s ability to assimilate anything other than a large well lit MacDonalds sign.

You make a good point. Here’s why I put the bin at the bottom.

Looking at my original “Get a life / Bin the mask” poster in my car window, somebody said:

“I just looks like an environmental poster telling people to dispose of their masks properly.”

After a deep breath to stop myself from screaming, I realised that they were right. People will read the poster in a way that accords with their beliefs. Sceptics like us get the message instantly, but non-sceptics will simply see the mask going in the bin and think about the environment.

Therefore this morning I resolved to change the poster so that there was no possibility of misinterpretation, even at the expense of more words and a greater chance that someone might not read the call-to-action.

‘”The ability of the masses to understand is very low”.
A.Hitler. Mein Kampf.

I’ve changed “They” to “He”, which fits the picture better and also makes it more personal.

Here’s my suggested tagline:

“This November, don’t just buy a poppy. Honour the fallen by standing up to dictatorship.”

To make it even more direct, what about ‘He died for your liberty’.

Good idea. I did think about something similar, but I was trying to cut the word count down to the bare minimum.

I’m happy to create a family of such posters, each with a different slant on the same theme. I’ll add your suggestion to the list of candidate slogans. Thanks!

they is better

“They” was my preference, but I felt it just didn’t work with the picture I had found. And I really liked that picture. The expression on the chap’s face is enigmatic: he’s bent but not broken, resolute, and slightly accusatory.

I feel that the “He” and the single figure creates a more intimate connection between the soldier and the viewer, the suggestion that it is individual actions that are required.

Jesus, I’m starting to sound like I work in marketing.

Not too far at all.

Madrid, Spain
7 million inhabitants
lockdown measures back
number of ICU admissions in last 7 day?
==> EIGHT <===

Admitted “with”?

https://twitter.com/GorpFilip/status/1313215632591261699/photo/1

C-19 admitted to ICU.But figures above shows clearly reducing cases just when they started with ludicrous new restrictions,late and meningless as usual when politicians are involved.

We are now in the very strange place that more restrictions, causing even more suffering, might offer the first glimpse of a way out of this. Despite what most people say in public (either mask to mask or online) I am certain that a second national lockdown would be largely unpopular this time. This could have a galvanising effect in just enough of the population – still a minority, but a bigger minority than at any point so far – to get them finally asking some serious questions.

The flip side of this coin is the risk that once we go back into full lockdown, we may never come out of it. Until we are vaccinated of course.

Well you can test your theory on the case-study that is Scotland. I suspect the general population will do as they are told and close their businesses down, stay at home, and pretend they are ‘doing better’ than England..

Indeed. If the majority surrender as meekly as they have done to this point, and roll their sleeves up in the final act of supplication to the Covid Cult, then I will not be obliged to participate in society in any way, and can become more reckless and disruptive in my opposition.

Brilliant spot by Clare – Carl Heneghan-esque. Worth reading in full . Let’s hope some bigwig at PHE reads Clare’s article and fixes the problem.

Yes – it’s a decent article with some good points. However, Lockdown Sceptics need to consider the logic of some of their arguments – two of which are:

1/ IFR is low – around 0.1%
2/ The UK is close to herd immunity.

These are inconsistent with a position which claims that TRUE case numbers are low.

Hospital admissions and deaths are increasing. If IFR is as low as 0.1% then Cases would need to be increasing at around 30k per day.

You can’t have it both ways.

If the entire population had a test (and the test was fit for purpose) then there may be more than 30k/day ‘cases’

Very old frail people dying of very oldness get labelled c19 deaths.

Very old frail people dying of very oldness get labelled c19 deaths.

In which case, the all cause age adjusted mortality rate in the UK would be significantly below normal by now.

lockdown is killing tens of thousands

BS. That is not the experience of most people.

Poll after poll shows the public are strongly in favour of stricter lockdowns.

You appear to apply scepticism in one direction but not the other.

16-20k deaths from missed cancer treatments – ONS stats

I agree lockdown is not killing most people but then neither is ‘covid’

Cancer doesn’t kill that fast. All cause mortality just today is above the previous ten year maximum for Week 39. Over the next 24 months, there most likely will be additional cancer mortality. But it is much slower to feed into the data. Deaths from strokes and, heart attacks and suicides have not risen. We will reach the historic 10-year average number of annual deaths by mid November, at least six weeks early.

If people’s experience is evidence and your argument is that lockdown isn’t killing people because they are in favour of lockdowns then I assume you must also agree that as pretty much most people’s experience of Covid is not of dying or knowing anyone dying then there isn’t a pandemic.

People’s experience – right or wrong – is that they’re fearful of Covid. LS needs to put forward a better case.

How do you know anything about what people are thinking .Are you some kind of mind reader ?.a couple of useless online polls which nobody hardly took part in keep getting repeated as evidence on this site. If the people are so scared of covid why have they flocked to the beaches in their thousands all summer to party ,have barbeques ,get drunk and be together. All you keep repeating is lockdown worked but there is no evidence for that anywhere in the world .I would never support lockdown at any price ,our liberty is to precious to ever give away to people like yourself .

The public are strongly in favour of stricter lockdowns for other people. Actual behaviour of people who are locked down – about 10% of people self-isolate completely when they are supposed to – suggests that support for it is pretty low.

“Poll after poll shows the public are strongly in favour of stricter lockdowns.”
That’s because they have been systematically traumatised by the most ferocious fear driving psychological warfare program the world has ever seen.
Mayo.

Why would it be? CoViD19 is still the 24th cause of death. Alzheimer’s, cardiovascular disease, cancer are still the most significant causes of death. These are not being treated. See Ivor Cummins latest presentation.

And this is relevant – how?

Seriously?

Yes – seriously. People are familiar with the risk of cancer etc.

Covid-19 is an unknown.

Covid-19 was an unknown, but no longer. The data are out there for those who choose to read. At this point anyone who’s not in the known ‘vulnerable’ category (very old and / or with co-morbidities) and is still afraid of the Kung Flu is simply a bloody idiot. But they’re bloody idiots who’re complicit in perpetuating this dystopia. A pox (or even a not particularly dangerous Chinese virus) upon them all.

I’ve always felt the disease is highly infectious and no doubt incidents of infection have risen as we move into Autumn and schools, unis, and offices reopened.

The point about false, trivial and symptomless positives (and false negatives) is that it makes test and trace in a nation of 70 million people, 100 plus languages and widely divergent cultures an ineffective strategy.

It’s a good way to waste £100b plus (when we get to Moonshot), and to ensure that a significant proportion of the population at any given time are in enforced isolation.

This is surely the intention behind the strategy.
.

You’ve modified your approach since last time I chanced upon your post. Nice to see you are listening and learning.

How have I modified my approach? My thinking has not changed.

You are wrong mayo. Your thinking had changed, in your post I remarked upon. Now however I see you have deflated to type. Good luck with your feeding.

In what way?

I continue to criticise the nonsense put out by this blog.
I continue to maintain that all those who insist that the UK is close to herd immunity are wrong.
I’ve never been in favour of anything more than a short lockdown.

In what way have I changed?

You have no idea how many ‘infections’ or ‘cases’ there have been in this country this year and, perhaps, even earlier.

Neither does anyone else. And, in particular, no-one has any idea how many people actually died ‘from’ covid 19

All the data is junk except for overall all cause mortality:

‘In August 2020, there were 34,750 deaths registered in England, 2,060 deaths fewer than the five-year average (2015 to 2019) for August; in Wales, there were 2,379 deaths registered, 116 deaths fewer the five-year average for August.

The leading cause of death in August 2020 was dementia and Alzheimer’s disease in England (accounting for 10.9% of all deaths) and ischaemic heart disease in Wales (11.0% of all deaths); both leading causes of death were the same in July 2020.

The coronavirus (COVID-19) did not feature in the top ten leading causes of death in August 2020, in England or Wales. In England, COVID-19 was the 24th most common cause of death and in Wales it was the 19th most common cause of death, for deaths registered in August 2020.’

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/monthlymortalityanalysisenglandandwales/august2020

Please don’t quote figures at me unless you’re intending to make a point. Citing August mortality without context is meaningless – as is the most of the rest of your comment.

Please explain how anything you’ve written debunks anything in my comment.

You say:

‘Hospital admissions and deaths are increasing. If IFR is as low as 0.1% then Cases would need to be increasing at around 30k per day.’

I say junk!

The only useful figures are all cause mortality and those show that any consideration given to hospital admissions from covid 19 (junk data) and deaths from covid 19 (junk data) is just plain silly since it was, certainly for August, only the 24th most common cause of death in England.

Which makes your entire comment, above, otiose; completely daffy.

there was a spike in covid deaths ‘with’ months ago. From early June until now covid deaths have been below other cold/flu deaths

And yet you sight “cases” without context!

I am not making any comment about cases other than to say that, if cases are low then IFR must be high.

I agree that all cause mortality is the best of a bad bunch of data that we have but it is unfortunately complicated by the impact of lockdown and the difficulty of picking it apart.

The key fact is that overall all cause mortality has been plumb normal except for the period immediately after the discharge of tens of thousands of patients from hospital at 24 hours notice.

That is all anyone needs to know; a complete false alarm…….again…..

Yes excellent post Tim

infections are probably higher than 30k per day

‘cases’ are about 10k per day
KCL covid tracker estimates 20k ‘symptomatic cases per day’
total probably 100k per day given that 80% are asymptomatic

The IFR would be whatever it happens to end up as once everything settles. It’s not based on whatever the numbers happen to be at any particular moment in time and that’s assuming all the data is correct.

What we do know is that the IFR tends to go down over time as more data comes in.

The ONS have carried out random testing for several months.

The government started doing ‘targeted’ testing in February. Positivity rate back then was about 0.2%. It was only when they switched testing to hospitalised-ONLY patients did the rate increase appreciably.

How come there is no “moment in time” where the number of cases indicates widespread community infection.

So you’re suggesting the majority of infection happened in hospitals then.

A lot did in the early days but the increased positivity was mainly due to the fact they were testing a much higher proportion of clearly sick patients.

You are forgetting that the measurement of Covid is fraught with uncertainties. So attribution errors abound. And the PCR test is being driven at high cycles so all you are seeing is noise.

Like from the start, if you can parse the actual data you’ll see that Covid-19 appears to be an acute disease for a very small subset of people

It made me laugh when the MSM were grabbing their petticoats over the fact that Trump went for a drive in his motorcade. I don’t expect his driver and security were 90 year old diabetics recruited from a nursing home!

Sorry – you’ll need to explain your point. I know all about PCR tests & cycle thresholds. I understand the issues involved.

Do we have large numbers of cases or not. If we don’t have high numbers does this mean the IFR is high?

Covid-19 appears to be an acute disease for a very small subset of people

No it doesn’t. It appears to be an infectious disease particularly for people who are in close contact with each other, e.g.

1/ Johnson, Hancock, Ferguson & Whitty.
2/ Trump & his wife & aide
3/ Cruise ships
4/ Close religious sect in South Korea

Mayo, can you lay out what your actual position is, please? To date, your entire purpose seems to be to criticise absolutely any interpretation of data above the line in this blog, but I’ve never seen you actually give an analysis or an express an opinion of any substance beyond an attempted debunking of something someone else has said. Many here, myself included, may be insufficiently critical of an analysis that appears to support our thinking. Fine – granted that everyone has a tendency towards confirmation bias. What, in your opinion, should we be thinking, because I’m jiggered if I have the faintest idea what you think?

Bit of a racy comment that matt. Thumbs up.

In fairness, he doesn’t need a position. Someone who is sceptical of the sceptics is extremely valuable in preventing group think, which doesn’t just happen to other people.

No, the problem with Mayo is that is that he is ignorant of the basics of Science. As in you need to make sure you are measuring the thing you say you are measuring before trying draw associations.

The figures bandied about about cases and IFR are all noise when you realise this.

Richard Pinch comes here and challenges the group think when it comes to data and does it in a constructive (albeit condescending) way and I respect him for it. Mayo comes here and throws peanuts from the gallery without, it seems, actually having a point to make. If all he has to say is “that’s wrong, this is wrong, he’s stupid, she’s stupid” then I suppose he should feel free to say it, although I’d prefer he didn’t bother, but I shall feel free to ignore him.

Here for you in simple terms

High Number of Cases = Low IFR
Low Number of Cases = High IFR

Which is it?

If you don’t measure something properly then you sample noise and any artefacts and behaviours you see are the result of your sampling process and not the intrinsic behaviour of what you sample.

Saying that the disease appears to be infectious for people in close contact has not negated what I said. That Covid-19 appears to be an acute disease for a small subset of people.

The vast majority don’t know they have it, if they have it because attribution is so loose, and the protocols of testing (PCR) have very lax quality controls.

The argument for saying the IFR is 0.1% is actually a summary of the logic that population-wise this is at most the same as the flu. Of which we don’t go into mass panic.

It doesn’t matter if the IFR is 50% for the small amount of people who get Covid-19. The reality is that IFR is only of interest for modellers. The actual metric is:

How Many People Will Die If We All Get It?

And currently that looks to be no more than other respiratory conditions each year. Then add in that the deaths we have seen have high uncertainty in the cause due to the premise of how they are attributed. That the “gold standard” test of PCR is nothing like this.

And you have a magical mix of horseshit that any 1st year Physics student would spot a mile off.

But apparently you can’t

Cases? No we dont have a large number of cases. We might have a “large” number of tests that showed a “positive” result and a vastly larger number of tests carried out.

Has the proportion of “positives” gone up? we dont know.
How many “positives” are actual positives? We dont know
How many “positives” have symptoms? we dont know.
How many “positives” are sick. We dont know

Thousands of students are being tested. A large number are “positive” . none are ill, none have died (well not from covid…. but some from suicide/drugs)

After 6 months testing is still a farce and the statistics are still meaningless because only half the data is available

Right – so we don’t know how many cases there are or have been. So tell me this

How do we know what the IFR is?

“ 1/ IFR is low – around 0.1%
2/ The UK is close to herd immunity.
These are inconsistent with a position which claims that TRUE case numbers are low .”

Seems pretty easy to generate consistent scenarios to cover those postulates, if herd immunity is achieved at much lower levels than assumed by the panickers (and there seems reason to believe that is the case), and if you assume that the herd immunity threshold rises somewhat with the season (as you’d expect for a common cold-type virus). .

Ha – that ‘if’ word. And what is the evidence for this much lower herd immunity? When over 5k members of a religious sect in South Korea contracted the virus was that because none of them just happened to belong to this wide subset of the population who were naturally immune?

Johnson, Hancock, Whitty & Ferguson. None of them belonged to the fortunate majority.

Trump nor his wife – nor his Aide – nor his Press Secretary nor several other members of WH staff got away with it.

Sorry, the clusters suggest natural immunity, if it exists, is limited to a small proportion.

How many died, Mayo? How many were attributed to Covid-19 that actually have a large degree of uncertainty about them?

It doesn’t matter if every one gets it if it is a nothing burger.

Give it a rest.

All countries (not just UK) have recorded a significant number of Covid deaths.

It doesn’t matter if every one gets it if it is a nothing burger.

So why are you concerned about case numbers.

Could an extremely sensitive PCR test not be positive for someone whose natural immunity despatches the virus without (or with mild) symptoms?

Yes – so what?

”Trump nor his wife – nor his Aide – nor his Press Secretary nor several other members of WH staff got away with it.
Sorry, the clusters suggest natural immunity, if it exists, is limited to a small proportion.”

How many of these ‘cases’ tested positive though their t-cell or other immunity were dealing with c19 and they had little to no symptoms – you seemed to suggest that any who tested positive could not have been naturally immune – other than trump – how many had symptoms, they may all have already been immune

If everyone was equally susceptible then you wouldn’t expect to see clusters but a more even distribution.

Clustering or superspreading events would be expected in a population with some level of immunity within it.

There is a lack of homogeneity due to geographical separation. That’s obvious. In fact that’s the theory behind lockdowns.

Well if you say there’s only one explanation then it must be so.

The Korean cluster was a person who might have transmitted to 5000 memebers of the cult.But almost all of the them were asymptomatic.
And they might have had the infection but mildly because of this possibility

https://www.jci.org/articles/view/143380

Recent endemic coronavirus infection is associated with less severe COVID-19

”Importantly, the patients with a previously detected eCoV had less severe coronavirus disease-2019 (COVID-19) illness. Our observations suggest that pre-existing immune responses against endemic human coronaviruses can mitigate disease manifestations from SARS-CoV-2 infection.”

Right so are you saying that an asymptomatic case should not be counted as a case?

If so you must agree that the IFR can only be calculated using SYMPTOMATIC cases.

Never said that.IFR is calculated on all infected,whether symptomatic,mild or no symptoms.

“ that ‘if’ word .”

“If” is all that is needed to refute your claim of internal inconsistency.

“ And what is the evidence for this much lower herd immunity?”

Most plausible explanation so far proposed for why the epidemics have been self limiting in so many countries. Particularly as there are plausible and increasingly supported mechanisms (pre-existing resistance, non-homogenous spreading) to explain it.

Easier to explain a small number of overshoots than believe that ramshackle and hugely varied government efforts at suppression had such widely similar results.

Most plausible explanation so far proposed for why the epidemics have been self limiting in so many countries.

Seasonality is a more than plausible explanation.

But seasonality is at root just herd immunity. The season changes, herd immunity threshold changes to reflect different context/conditions/behaviour (whatever it is), infections rise/fall appropriately.

The UK has a lot of people in it. It is possible for some areas of the country (eg London) to be closer to herd immunity than others (eg the North West) because of the numbers who caught covid in the spring. Which is what we are seeing now – hospitalisations increasing in Liverpool, but not in London.

Yes I know. That’s exactly why talk of ‘peaks’ is misleading. We might just be seeing local ‘peaks’. Sweden may only have had a peak in Stockholm.

Given the population density outside of Stockholm, that could well be the only peak Sweden ever has.

Yep – but we can’t be certain.

That’s not the case in the UK though.

Why worry about cases? Tests?

President Trump back in the White House

Ian Botham in the House of Lords.

It’s all starting to come together…….

Mention of Ian Botham takes me back to the Headingley test match in 1981.

Australian players laying money on England to win at odds of 500-1 after following on. Cue the great man’s 149 not out and a miraculous victory.

Ian Botham is my hero, still brings a tear to my eye when I watch it.

I was there, although I was too small to see over the seat in front. Don’t forget Graham Dilley, who made 50 at the other end I think – and Bob Willis, who took 8 wickets for spit to win the match

Legends all!

Botham to hit covid quaking for six!

Agree ,they opend the bowling as well and unfortunately wev lost them both , different era real men

My grandson was sent home from kindergarten with a cough last week. Can’t go back till tested. Whole family isolated including my SIL who is in the police (serious crime, so unlikely to be beaten up by him in Trafalgar Square) No symptoms then or since amongst any of them. Tested next day. Nothing. No results three days later. Probably fell off the edge of a spreadsheet. Our lives and livelihoods are in these moron’s hands. How much longer will we be able to resist storming the citadel?

can a preschooler be tested?

Yes, various of my friends have had their little ones tested.

Good question. Not recommended for small children as they can get injured when ‘thing’ stabbed into their noses

Four young people died of drugs…that is the same as the total number of under 19 year olds (with no co-morbidities) who have died with Covid.

I think that’s the important point, rather than trying to link what we don’t know directly to Covid.

Important to keep a sense of the factual if we are to combat the fiction of the official narrative.

Well, in Scotland the dictatorship, this is more than likely going to happen.
It is absolutely outrageous & the best of it is, the majority of the sheeple will just accept it. This time though, there will be no closing of schools, but there will be restrictions on travel etc.

I am seriously considering leaving this earth now, I am a big Sceptic, but, there appears to be no end to this.
It will impact me as my partner stays about 30 minutes away from me & she is worried about me going to her house & her neighbours grassing her in to the police because I am at hers (I have been going to hers regardless of this stupid rule of not visiting any other households) but, the travel restrictions & the loss of liberty is starting to grind me down now.

When are the majority of people going to make a stand on this? It seems that we on here are the minority, people are just going to do what that little dictator sturgeon says.

I cannot go on like this for much longer, I am genuinely suffering now, it seems like this nonsense is never going to end.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-decide-today-whether-22796869

Fuck you Sturgeon, Fuck you Boris. You utter utter scummy cunts.

I am sorry to read this. It might help you to know that if you or your partner live alone, you can claim some extended household bullshit, so that it is ‘legal’ for you to meet her. I am all for telling the police, the neighbours and whoever else to ‘fuck off’, but it might make her feel better to know that you aren’t breaking any law. As to the rest, I feel you. I just wish people would see Stalin for what she is, but Scottish people as a whole lack any sort of vision or insight at all.

Everyone is sick and tired of this. I won’t bother with empty platitudes of encouragement, we are beyond that here.

Despite what people may say in public, I simply cannot accept that there won’t be more questioning of a second lockdown this time around. Especially with much weaker medical data to support it and steadily growing media scepticism. The harder and faster the state pushes, the more precarious their position becomes.

Print out a stack of these posters and hand them out in the town centre. You’ll probably get spat on, but at least you’ll go down fighting.

Can I suggest for the main slogan ‘Get a life / Bin the masks / End the lockdown’

just to broaden it slightly. (Maybe even ‘Trash the masks’)

Oooo, I like. I’m on it.

Do you think this works better?

I dropped the hashtag in favour of a Remembrance-themed call to action.

Switching from Bin to Trash makes the poster more internationally acceptable: good shout.

If people like this version, I’ll post it on my website.

Best one yet

The above is now the official version of the poster.

Can you make stickers and somewhere here to buy them ?

Mabel – best if you put in small print, at the bottom, your website address?
Stickers would be brilliant too.
Too, a method of us purchasing from you? (Two-Six can best explain?)

@James Bertram, @wat tyler: Probably best if we move this over to the Posters and t-shirts topic in the General Discussion section of the forum. I’d like to discuss stickers and stuff propertly, and the sands of time are running out for today’s comments.

Perfect in the run up to 11 November!

This would be a good poster for 11th November. We need to plaster it around the churches, the town. T-shirts would be good.
Also, send a copy to those MPs (like mine) who voted with government last week. The honourable 24 need something different.

Share your pain, absolute tyranny in sturgeonstan, my neighbour is a taxi driver and is averaging 1 job an hour, he has had enough.

I’m seriously considering a leaflet drop, has to be the only way, or as someone mentioned co-ordinated small team demonstrations handing out leaflets.

Stay with us, defy the buggers, keep strong, never lose hope.We need you!

I really feel for you, I think Sturgeon is the worst of them all and Scotland most draconian.

I don’t think people are going to be as accepting as in March. More importantly, neither are the Press.

Week ending 25 Sept figures are out:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending25september2020

And CEBM are tracking “cases” here (updated yesterday I believe):

Tracking UK Covid-19 cases

all cause mortality normal
deaths ‘from’ covid miniscule and far below colds

All-cause mortality is tracking completely in line with previous years. The false uptick from the bank holiday has flattened (the ‘new exponential’) has flattened – as expected.

Ooooo – it must be the lock-up and masks keeping it under control!

… and in terms of the last quarter century, is close to the minimum level!

Toby, you say you’ve had your reservations about Trump in the past. I have been following Trump’s progress since his campaign in 2015. I’ve never had any doubts that here was a great leader, infinitely preferable to the corrupt Dems, and have no doubts now that Trump is the anchor of freedom in the West. Show me any western leader to match him, least of all our own. I’ve unsubscribed from the feeble Spectator, so I won’t be able to read your forthcoming pro-Trump piece.

I’ve also never had any doubt from the beginning that the reaction to Covid-19 was a hoax. Your efforts on this have been heroic and appreciated.

Trump a ‘great leader’.

At least I had one good laugh this morning as the serial bankrupt and crap businessman received that accolade!

But he hasn’t started any new wars – unlike Obama and HRC.

Very effective handling of North Korea – unlike other appeaser presidents.

Trump has the backing of 80 million Americans and will win a landslide second election. You might not like that but in a poll of what counts as a good leader getting all them people to support you is pretty good. Off course you’re a lefty and have very little understanding of life and instead choose to live inside a lefty utopian bubble where we can all live like kings if only we do as you say never once stoping to ask yourself what would give you the right to think for one fucking second a twat like you should have any say over what i do, in any way, shape, form whatsoever.
You don’t know but each and every post by a lefty like you makes a Butterfly live a day longer.

“ Trump has the backing of 80 million Americans”

A bit like the popularity of foetid masks,.

He is a documented spoiled over-privileged baby idiot. Stopped clocks get things right by accident.

Now do Biden

That leaves about 170 million adult Americans who don’t back him. Have fun downvoting an American for pointing that out.

Biker, you may not wander back this far in the comments, but there are 250 million adult Americans, so 80 million is peanuts. But it’s that old undemocratic institution, the Electoral College, that actually decides who becomes President of the United States. Except when the Supreme Court does, as in 2000.

If he were a great leader he would be able to persuade people who don’t like him to change sides and follow him. Ronald Reagan did that. Tony Blair did that. They are great leaders. Trump is too disordered in his character to bring order to his country, so I can’t support him.

But he is correct about Covid. His instincts have been correct right from the start.

Tony Blair?? as the saying goes you can fool some of the people all the time and all of the people some of the time etc… eventually everyone realised what a lying b’stard he was. A great leader? dont make me laugh

Unfortunately, you have fallen into the trap of believing that ‘actors’ and those schooled in spin and PR make great leaders. This is a modern phenomenon probably started with JFK.
‘Great leaders’ are (or certainly should be) judged by their actions and not their performance before the media. Your ‘great leader’ (Blair) is a war criminal and a mass murderer.
Your criteria for judging ‘leadership’ needs a serious re think.

Even his signature success – the NI peace process – was Blair turning up at the last minute and claiming credit for all of the years of work that had been done beforehand. In fact, if Major had not been reliant on Ulster Unionist support in the final period of his government, it is possible that what became known as the Good Friday Agreement could have occurred on his watch.

There is only one criteria for being a great leader, and that is if people follow. Blair persuaded the electorate to vote for a Labour government in 1997, and then twice more. In fact he is the only Labour leader to have won a majority at a general election in my lifetime, and I am not young any more. Furthermore, when he wanted to go to war he lead his party, and the opposition, into following him. I make no judgement as to his morality, his effectiveness or his achievements, as they are irrelevant to leadership. That fact is that where he lead, people followed. Where Trump leads, they do not. So Blair is a great leader and Trump is not, even though Trump is correct about more things than Blair.

That’s one way of defining “great leader”, but it does have the drawback that it would include the likes of Hitler, Mussolini, Castro, Mao, Napoleon, who were all enthusiastically followed while they were winning.

But I’m not sure you can even honestly say what you say about Trump. He won election with the votes of 63 million Americans, many of whom he won over from being quite opposed to his candidacy, in the teeth of the massive anti-conservative mainstream and social media machine. It remains to be seen if he can win again, and if he does it will be a genuinely great achievement.

For sure he’s a “divisive figure”, but that’s mostly because he’s a conservative (of sorts) and therefore irredeemably hated by the media consensus.

I’m ambivalent about Trump personally, but the jury is still out on greatness, by your own definition.

And his opponent got 65 million votes. I understand this is not an American site, but you should know that the Electoral College decides our presidential elections, not the popular vote.

I understand that perfectly, having followed US politics closely for decades. And I also understand that it’s irrelevant. The same thing can happen in any constituency based system, including our own.

If you lead people to disaster, you are not a great leader.
Blair was a disaster, and now has joined the evil elite.
Trump is simply less of a threat to the world compared to the Dems (never thought I would say that..).

New Plan B webinars. They’re a group from NZ.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7mXnWFHi_hdnOIhTIPxBtw/videos

Unlike Bartleby, I can’t feel any real sense of a turning tide.

The big distraction of Trump heads this update. We have a big enough two-headed mess in UK politics without spending too much time comtemplating the trans-Atlantic double-header of electoral ordure, even if there are some parallels.

Then there’s the syndrome of ‘be grateful for small mercies’:

“ “there’s a possibility that a sufficient number of Conservative MPs, as well as the Parliamentary Labour Party, will vote against the renewal of the 10pm curfew”

Well – big deal! So there might be a muster of MPs to overturn one totally ridiculous, but minor measure – as a token to show that the children are still awake.

But probably not the equally invasive and stupid ‘rule of six’.

The basic framework stays in place, with the major issue of the moment – PCR testing – staying in place as a raddled justification for policy.

Yes – I know – I may be pessimistic, but seeing last week’s vote and reading John Ashworth’s retelling of fables in the Commons yesterday, how could I not be at the miniscule level of opposition?

Then, even the generally praiseworthy and welcome initiative of the ‘Great Barrington Declaration’ is compromised by intimating that the infection is serious enough to recommend that the ‘vulnerable’ at home should meet their families ‘outside’ and have grocery deliveries, rather than just making the same sort of risk judgments as they always have done (given, particularly, that other potential respiratory diseases are actually more of a current threat).

This may sound like looking gift horses in the mouth : but I’ve been around politics too long not to know the old ploy of making minor concessions in order to make the fundamentally egregious acceptable.

The Overton window has shifted further than ever in 2020, driven in the UK by the demons at the Behavioural Insights Team.

I am not ashamed to be a complete outcast, and accept that in all probability this will be my social status for the rest of my life. Which may not be long at the current rate our so-called society is descending.

I think you are overly pessimistic here, though in truth it’s hard to criticise anybody for that at the moment.

On the specific points you raise, I’d say that parliamentary resistance takes time to build, and we were unlucky in this nonsense arising at the very beginning of a new government that had just won a solid majority. For that to have dissolved into the level of grumbling it already has, in less than a year, with no meaningful pressure from the supposed opposition, is actually pretty remarkable. It has further to go, for sure, but at least there is clear movement in the right direction.

Second, regarding the Great Barrington declaration, I think you are being overly critical. The key to this aspect of the declaration is in the final paragraph, wherein it clearly states that shielding of the vulnerable is to be voluntary:

“ Those who are not vulnerable should immediately be allowed to resume life as normal. Simple hygiene measures, such as hand washing and staying home when sick should be practiced by everyone to reduce the herd immunity threshold. Schools and universities should be open for in-person teaching. Extracurricular activities, such as sports, should be resumed. Young low-risk adults should work normally, rather than from home. Restaurants and other businesses should open. Arts, music, sport and other cultural activities should resume. People who are more at risk may participate if they wish , while society as a whole enjoys the protection conferred upon the vulnerable by those who have built up herd immunity . ”

I’m sure we would all like to tighten up the wording in various areas, but imo it’s as good as we are likely to get and still have a chance at mainstream tolerance. No mention of masks is a major bonus, for me.

I think this initiative is vitally important, and our best hope yet for breaking through to the mainstream. Those putting it forward are as close to bulletproof as it is possible to be, in this time of intolerance of dissent – eminent experts in relevant fields, at top institutions (Oxford, Stanford, Harvard), and broadly lefties (Gupta and Kulldorff for certain, don’t know about Bhattacharya), so they cannot be written off as “uncaring right wingers”, as our mainstream and social media have been wont to do.

On the ‘Declaration’ :

“ it clearly states that shielding of the vulnerable is to be voluntary:”

I wasn’t suggesting that they were recommending compulsion – only that in this recommendation they are falling into the trap of reinforcing the ‘unprecedented’ narrative.

Yes, but in this I feel you are indeed being over critical. “Looking a gift horse in the mouth”, as you yourself put it.

He is risen.

Of course he is risen! There was never any doubt about it. I’ve never been one to crow but my post of two days ago was spot on:

https://lockdownsceptics.org/2020/10/03/latest-news-152/#comment-165589

Trump has played his cards well and is now positioned to appeal to the very many millions who see through this whole Covid scamdemic. With Scot Atlas by his side and his *full recovery* he is in a position to wipe the floor with Biden and to inject some common sense into the world.
I never thought I would say this a year ago but I now see Donald Trump as the spear point of restoring freedom to a world endangered by vested interests/ Fascism/costly and dangerous vaccinations and those who would subjugate the world to their unholy ambitions

Simply put if the election is about how to deal with the virus, people are being given a choice between being told how to live in every aspect of their lives (Biden) or to have more responsibility in how they choose to conduct their lives with limited controls (Trump).

I’m not a Trump supporter but on the fundamental issues of how the world has approached this pandemic my thoughts are more aligned with him on this. I see people in power deciding that it’s ok for everyone to suffer and for some to even die because they believe their cause is just.

This to me is a far greater danger to humanity than any virus.

As an American voter, I have to agree with you. I’m sitting out the election this year. Can’t vote for Biden. Not about to vote for Trump.

Ladies and gentlemen,

We are through the looking glass, out the other side and looping around for a second pass.

/boggle

Is that the Real Donald Tusk?

This really is bizzarro world now.

He is referring to Donald Trump in that remark.

Look at his Twitter

Ah, I see. I try and avoid twitter.

Did I just hear that mariana BBC Disinformation Unit spring have a little hissy outburst?

Busy day in the home study for some.

Could have described any EU official with that tweet.

A fake Pole spreading fake news.

“ Cynical powerful people spreading lies ”

And one of the very first people I’d drop right into that category is Donald Tusk. He’s an arsehole of the first water.

Something doesn’t add up. Trump is constantly being accused of not doing enough and now he’s dominating people’s lives?

Richie Allen Show last nights media analysis – focuses on Ireland’s lockdown for the first few moments, then goes into a longer look at krankies alarmism yesterday and the ‘cabinet’ meeting this morning – Scotlands looming house arrest.

Then follows a BBC 1 knockout punch delivered yesterday morning by a scientist in a live interview talks out about the ineffectiveness of PCR testing, or in other words the fraud of the thing. Good listening.

They rest of the monolgue is an unknown mystery to me…

Click the link, it’s radio, listen while you work – https://youtu.be/YI673IEPbxU

Just got back from the surgery after having some blood taken for tests. Got talking to the phlebotomist about the current madness. She told me that it’s no longer about a virus – it’s about control! (and masks are useless).

Encouraging coming from within the NHS, but would she be willing to give a sworn statement to this effect I wonder? Or has she been cowed into silence by the NHS bureaucrats?

That’s one undeceived, at least.

Another day, yet another BBC scare-mongering article on the horrors of Long Covid. I think they have to have at least one per week.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54296223

I am seeing more and more such articles. My theory is that because deaths are still flat-lining, the media now has to dream up something else to whip up panic about, so they are making a bigger deal about this long covid silliness.

Yep. Also no context. It happens with other viral infections, just not in large enough numbers to talk about. But if you shine a spotlight on it…

Yes, they are getting desperate. They had this yesterday (with the obligatory photo of an attractive young woman):

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-54419342

So we are supposed to lock down the whole world because some people have a (probably temporary) loss of smell/taste ?!

Anyone who mentions long Covid in a lockdown debate should be ht with “not an argument for Lockdown, end of”. Its not even in the realms of what is important in this debate

Apparently a hospital in Surrey has been put into lockdown because of the “killer” virus. What are the Nightingale hospitals for?

Everyone should know by now some undisputed facts about the PCR tests and come to following conclusions:
-the virus has not been isolated correctly.
-the PCR method has not been invented for diagnostic purposes but for replication.
-a PCR test does not tell one that the tested person is sick.
-false positive test results could make up all or the vast majority of the positive test results during periods of low prevalence, like now.
-the tests are neither standardized nor certified. Their sale and application would in any other situation be highly illegal. Comparisons, particularly internationally, are therefore alone basically impossible, wrong and irrelevant.
-most tests and labs only search for and replicate only one DNA fragment of the virus, instead of for 2 or 3 as would be appropriate. Simplified, that’s why e.g. butchers show up as positive.
-most tests omit the necessary confirmation phase after the search phase.
-most importantly, there must be just one fixed number of permitted ct cycles for any test (not a maxum.or a a range) to render them at least halfway correct, useable and comparable at all.
As long as that number is not determined and mandated, papayas can and will shop up as positives, and they are basically just a, very successful and expensive, fraud.

Yesterday, as is my usual habit when not out, I watched a bit of Bargain Hunt on TV whilst having lunch. It was obvious that the episode shown had been filmed recently, as the participants were leaping out of each others way whilst attempting to look at potential purchases from a distance. But what really pissed me off was seeing the actual auction without the participants who watched it remotely because of “restrictions”, those attending the auction were only shown from behind, because they were all muzzled! Obviously not a good look for a popular TV show to promote. Interesting that the auctioneer didn’t wear a muzzle. The whole thing just looked a bit artificial and joyless.

“ The whole thing just looked a bit artificial and joyless. ”

Exactly like our whole society at present. I need to stop using the word “society” actually, because this is the one thing it is not.

”The whole thing just looked a bit artificial and joyless. ”
This is the whole society right now..

Total mind-fuckery. The BBC are evil.

I started to watch a live classical concert performance on TV a short while ago, but turned it off very quickly as it not only looked but sounded odd, with all the performers, including some singers, all separated from each other like mannequin dummies in a shop window.

Apart from not looking normal in any respect – their was no audience either – it didn’t sound quite right to me; the violin section was spread across nearly half the stage, so the sound was not exactly ‘balanced’ to my ear, but maybe that’s just me!

What was even more appalling was watching a delayed Summer Concert broadcast live from Vienna, by the Vienna Philharmonic on BBC4 at the weekend, which looked pretty normal, although we were informed – I don’t know why we needed to know – that the numbers had been restricted this year.

The most annoying and upsetting thing was that in trying to enjoy some light-heated classical music in what looked like pretty normal surroundings – which allowed you to forget for a while that the chances of you ever going to Vienna to hear it in person were diminishing by the day! – was the frequent references by the commentator about mask wearing rules for the audience!

Then zooming in on mask wearers, of which there were very, very, few, regardless of the ‘advice’ they had been given. The BBC just couldn’t let the bloody death porn alone even during a live classical concert from another country.

They absolutely spoilt the broadcast which, I had stumbled across and was rather enjoying until the shrill reminders about wearing masks, outside, at an open air concert, in another country. It’s now all I remember of the the concert, not the music. I was going to complain, but as it would have been an exercise in futility, I didn’t bother.

Will stick to watching old movies on Talking Pictures TV instead; they show some really good gems from the past – worth a look if you like films from the 1940s to the 70s, together with some other intriguing items as well.

So what i find weird is watching some rugby yesterday, no masks, nor are footballers wearing masks. So if that’s all okay, what on earth is the point of making concert goers wear masks? Especially when outside. And i have been fortunate enough to go to the Schoenbrunn, i hope you get a chance to go one day. Keep the faith!

Thank you, I will!

and eyes and ears and windfarms for Carrie, heads, Davos, chins and nose, wind and blows…

Below an abridged modified version of my FOI request to DHSC sent yesterday that this morning I sent to the 5 local councils in my area:

So basically as admitted by the DHSC answer Reference FOI-1240596 you are using tests that are “unreliable” to say the least, have no reference standard to double check the accuracy against and that have results that means nothing medically.

PCR tests are also, as admitted by their inventors, not a diagnostic tool nor test and should not be used as such in any circumstances.

My questions are:

1 – based on the above statements how can a positive PCR tests be termed as a “case” medically?

2 – based on the above statements how can positive PCR tests be used as a justification for local lockdowns and other general restrictions?

3 – based on the above statements how can positive PCR tests be used as a justification for enforced self-isolation of individuals tested “positive”?

4 – based on the above statements how can positive PCR tests be used as a justification for enforced self-isolation of those who have been in “close contact” with an individual who tested “positive”?

5 – based on the above statements how can positive PCR tests be used as a justification for closing down or fining a business when customers have been tested “positive”?

6 – please supply the official document(s) and guidance (not the legislation but the supporting documentation) that DHSC has supplied to local Councils that justify local lockdowns, business closures and isolation of segments of the population based on an unreliable test that does not mean the person is infected with anything, that has high false positive rates and no independent verification the results are correct?

7 – please supply the official document(s) and guidance that DHSC has supplied to local Councils that allow the PCR tests to be used as a diagnostic tool/test that is outwith it’s intended use by it’s inventors.

Will post any answers when they get round to giving me one.

This is excellent

Regarding the instruction/request by some schools for parents to wear masks when dropping off and picking up their chidren from school. This has been discussed on here a few times (most recently I think by Country Mumkin a few days ago).

I wrote to UsForThem about this, and they replied that ‘this is a worrying trend and we’re seeing it in a number of schools around the country’. They confirmed that there is no legal basis for this requirement, which is thus only a request, and enclosed the Public Health England briefing to headmasters answering the following question:

Due to [sic] a lack of adherence to repeated requests for people to keep their distance whilst dropping off and picking up their children, we have asked adults to wear masks on school property. Would we be within our rights to refuse admission to the playground if someone refuses to wear a mask?

PHE answer (my emphasis ):

The government has set out some venues where face coverings are required by law, such as on public transport. School guidance states that head teachers have the right to request visitors wear face coverings when in indoor areas such as corridors where social distancing is more difficult. Government guidance also states that some people are exempt from wearing face coverings, such as those who cannot put on, wear or remove a face covering because of a physical or mental illness or impairment, or disability.
Thus, although you may wish to encourage people to wear face coverings whilst in the school playground, it cannot be legally enforced. In addition we recommend that schools continue to promote social distancing amongst parents at drop off/pick up times in their communication with parents and also by reviewing the plans they have in place, such as one-way systems at entry/exit points and signage.

So it is clear: there is no legal obligation to wear masks when dropping children off at school, and the headmasters know this.

I hope Country Mumkin sees this post, and anyone else who is concerned.

In my local news recently – not featured prominently but shoved down the bottom of a ‘masks outside school story’ – at least two occasions, attempted abductions of school children just yards from the school gates during the day… thankfully unsuccessful. They’re on the case though; Police have got descriptions of 2 suspects seen in a van: they’re guys with big black masks on their faces.

Masks for parents outside school – what could possibly go wrong!

Whereabouts has that happened? Scary stuff.

Kent news (incidents reported around greater London area)

Thanks – it’s always useful to know where these sorts of things are going on.

No legal requirement for children to wear them in school either except in areas with special measures.
It’s amazing how many of our fellow citizens love the opportunity to boss other people around

Absolutely. The little hitlers are loving it!

Thank you. Read with gratitude.

That’s great you contacted “us for them”. I also heard similar from them about it being a worrying trend.

Good that it is not legally enforceable and that has been made clear.

The mask wearing has abated a bit at my daughters school, so it’s about 50:50 at the moment.

I’m pushing back on these things in a non-confrontational way and will continue to do so.

Had an idea re the NHS. That will follow in next hour or so, I will post on the comments

Thank you

CM
X

50:50!

More like 99:1 here, with me being the 1.

Oh no, I’m sorry to hear that. It’s awful.

Why do you feel people are doing it? Just because they’ve been asked? Genuinely worried about the “virus”? To not feel socially shamed? To “protect others”?

One of my ideas locally (in my village) is to do a survey and find out how people really feel. Not try to change their minds, just understand.

Then ask them if they’d like a copy of the report afterwards. That being the opportunity to open minds and challenge falsely held beliefs with a few facts.

We’re in a village too. I’m sure most people do it because they are asked and feel socially pressurised.

Several of us drop off our little ones at the school, all masked bar me, and then go on to the nursery where they drop off their littler ones, unmasked. The conclusion is obvious.

That’s an amazing observation. I think you probably need to have a chat with them. Or if you don’t want to do that, do a survey to see how they feel about mask wearing. Ask the questions. No judgement with the response. The dissonance in them, once articulated, may help to change behaviour.

I’m talking gently with people who I think are receptive. But a side effect of the muzzles is that is makes it much harder to strike up a conversation with someone you don’t already know, and as I’m with all the other new-starter parents I don’t know many of them.

Hard going!

Davos found the perfect patsy. Boris, stunted arrested development (hence a girlfriend half his age and inability to be faithful).. he’s going to save the world. With wind farms. Lockdown was never about covid. Covid was just siezed upon for the great reset.. impossible now to deny. Why would you build bicycle lanes during a pandemic? Why would you announce now, amongst the carnage, massive windfarm expansion? The future is kinda green. Say goodbye to the foreign holidays folks. And the gas boilers and ICE engines. The conservative government is finally going to conserve something.. energy.. and our movement.

Conspiracy theorist, it’s just about The Virus.
Lol

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As much as Chaos chooses to act like a dick (hey Boorishness is as good as any persona) , he’s not wrong on their plans to get rid of your gas boiler and your internal combustion engine. They know we can’t keep reprocessing our atmosphere like we do any more. The plan has already been spelt out in their green agenda. You might have missed it. They say no new ICE’s from 2035 and they mean it. The consumer society is over. Be thankful you’re in Britain because some places on this earth are going back to 17th century levels of Humans. It’s gonna be grim. Not as bad for us but still a massive change gotta come.

It will be fine, we can learn to cook on a candle. It’s not that different from using a slow cooker. Cycling is good for you too!

It’s not like people NEED to go anywhere now either. We can all just live online, we can even run our phones from solar.

If you wander back this way, look up “rocket stoves”. There’s an Irish model called a Kelly kettle. Also seen them called storm kettles. That may be the wave of the future! Cooking with twigs.

If XR gets its way, so will we!

too right.. why do you think they want us to have smart meters? So that when the power cuts are looming (windless winter evenings – no wind no solar, no baseload, bulk storage will never work) they can switch us off remotely

Energy storage. I read about a way of storing energy that sounded like a really good idea. Winding a huge weight up a deep shaft using excess energy then when needed letting the weight fall back down the shaft. A very efficient way of storing energy.

Use Boris as the weight then.

works on grandfather clocks. !
but only very short term.. like batteries now – can be used for balancing, (in the same way they used to switch on dinorwic pump storage when everyone put the kettle on at full time) but to cover off several hours of no wind you’d need a hell of a lot of holes.. (maybe try Blackburn)

If going back to the 17th Century (i.e. living like the Amish) is the worst that will happen, I can live with that. I quite fancy building my own barn. It’s the dystopian hell of 1984 that I want to avoid.

and all those wonderful diseases they had … real diseases ..

Why build bike lanes in a pandemic?

For me, contemplating that question ought to get many many people connecting the dots that something is properly amiss.

Installing them during the crazy freak out has only served to make this entire pandemic fraud feel like it is something special. Literally street theatre to alter perceptions.

I hope they are weather proof

Bumbling incompetence on a global scale, coincidentally coordinated. Nothing to see here.

Boris’s windfarms – I thought relying on wind/solar power for ‘baseload’ is impractical because of the lack of pumped storage potential (not enough mountains). But now normally sensible Denmark seem to think they can do it. Even flatter and just as cloudy as us. Can anyone explain how?

Denmark has a lot of Combined Heat and Power (CHP) plants that act as one form of backup. They import hydro power from Norway, and lignite from Germany. Then, when they have excess wind, which is often, they dump it into the North German power grid. This means German coal/lignite fired power stations that have been ramping up to full power for 4 hours then have to back down, but stay hot, just in case the Danish wind drops. This wastes huge amount of heat, and of course, emits a lot of CO2. That’s how Denmark makes wind work in its tiny economy. (from Mr TT)

Also the Danes sell their excess energy below or at cost to Norway who then charge them a high premium to use their hydro when generation is low in Denmark. Works great for Norway

rome wasn’t built in a day

maybe, one day, excess wind energy will be stored for when the demand exceeds supply…
I thought turning excess windy lecky into h2 then using scaled up h2 fuel cells where demand requires, but I’m sure there is much better thinking out there…

I always point out about the space industry when people talk about solar. They have good batteries on spacecraft too. Yet point the wrong way for an hour and you lose your spacecraft.

And that’s in almost perfect illumination environment for orbits such as sun-synchronous or GEO.

Solar is an idealists dream

I’m not keen on solar in uk – its dark all winter – places like spain though

some friends have a holiday home up on one of the western isles – they say getting out the door is an effort due to the strong winds

iceland has constant thermal activity that can be used to generate power, just need a long cable

Some interesting further reading… all we can do is try to educate ourselves. Which is more than the politicians seem to do.

Staying on topic, I do wonder if power related “lockdowns” are the future.

“I don’t charge my car to protect the NHS’s power supply” “I turn off my heating to protect the local care home’s supply” and so on, with a series of actors dressed up as “ordinary” people…

or energy stored as liquid air…

https://highviewpower.com/news_announcement/world-first-liquid-air-energy-storage-plant/

I cannot believe that the lying fat fuck conned so many millions into voting for him last year. Leave the EU only to be first in the queue for the Great Reset Covid New World Order that will supersede the EU.

Brexit is just a change of branch office I’m afraid.We are destined to rule by unelected technocrats who know what is best for us

… including kneeling subservience to the US.

no – it will be kow-towing to the chinese

True.Ever since we bankrupted ourselves during World war 2.

Hey, but y’all asked for it, didn’t you? Dissing us back in the 1700s. We haven’t forgotten.

Don’t be a conspiracy theorist (rolls eyes) .I have been saying this for months and everybody reacted like that.. Now it’s all over the MSM and the sheeple are still blind. My wife this morning actually said sorry to me about not believing me and thinking I’m overreacting. She works in the local government and the fact that she is now woken up gives me a very slim glimmer of hope.

Three cheers for your wife!

Quite right.. LOCKDOWN WAS NEVER ABOUT COVID!

Question for sturgeon in the event this lockdown spectre materialises.

A two week lockdown you demand. How many lives will that save?

The calculation must have been done in order for the decision to be made. Unless the motive is not to save lives, which is what my own opinion happens to be.

She is a puppet, all this is planned and smoke and mirrors. As Richie A says covid is a massive fart to hide the smell of other damaging smaller farts…….we are being shit on.

The latest Plandemic documentary has a super-cut of politicians around the world all saying virtually the same thing, almost as if they’ve been given a script to read. But it’s all just bumbling incompetence.

Why does the MSM still give that bugger Ferguson a platform? This from The Telegraph live feed (my emphasis):

Paris-style bar and restaurant closure may be needed to keep schools open, warns Prof Neil Ferguson

“Whilst we don’t think primary schools are a major vector of transmission, older teenagers do transmit the virus. We don’t yet know if we can control this virus with high schools open. If we want to keep schools open we have to reduce contacts in other areas of society by more. In other areas we may have to give up more to keep them open,” the Imperial College London epidemiologist told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme.

Asked if bars and restaurants should be closed entirely, like in Paris, he said: “We see from the contact tracing data that attending bars, restaurants, hospitality venues is a risk. We may need to consider those measures, particularly in hotspot areas where case numbers are increasing fast.

“The death rate has gone down, we know how to treat cases better, hospitals are less stressed and we have new drugs. But admissions to hospitals and deaths are all tracking cases. They’re at a lower level but they’re doubling every two weeks.

“We just cannot have that continue indefinitely. The NHS will be overwhelmed again. If we allow the current trends to continue, modelling indicates there’s that risk .”

Imagine what kind of freak fucks someone elses wife?

Imagine what kind of wife fucks such a freak?

Er …lots of freaks in world literature then…
But none so utterly odious as Psntsdown

He is more than a mere ‘scientist’. He is a political animal in every sense, and as such, he is no more than a lobbyist for other(s) interests.

He’s a political careerist, and possibly a psychopath. I’m not sure you’re correct in saying that he’s a scientist – certainly not in the sense I would use the term.