2020-10-08

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173654 Arkus, replying to Arkus, 4, #1 of 1814 🔗

woo hoo

174158 ▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Arkus, 16, #2 of 1814 🔗

Harrowing suicide figures reveal toll on Victorians

Sky News Australia host Peta Credlin says by the end of 2020 there could be more people lost to suicide in Victoria than to coroanvirus.

And we know this terrible tragedy is happening here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVTuPh8Rb2I

174777 ▶▶▶ ikaraki, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 5, #3 of 1814 🔗

Sorry, but going to call this one out. Sky News Australia have corrupted the data somewhat (something of a recurring theme these days).

In the report linked below the year to date (October) number of suicides in Victoria are reported as follows;

2016 – 489
2017 – 501
2018 – 520
2019 – 534
2020 – 530

As can be seen, last year has more suicides to date. FYI, seems the deaths with / from COVID-19 / Coronavirus is being report as about 800 for Victoria.

Coroners Court of Victoria Report.

I believe more fair application of critical thinking, it needs applied to both sides of the argument.

175421 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to ikaraki, 1, #4 of 1814 🔗

Depends when they count the year end.

173655 Mabel Cow, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #5 of 1814 🔗

Yay!

173661 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Mabel Cow, 30, #6 of 1814 🔗

Fight for liberty . Get it whilst it’s hot!

173668 ▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Mabel Cow, 33, #7 of 1814 🔗

Have you considered doing sheets of stickers? This approach works for Extinction Rebellion. They can be subtly placed all over the place without drawing unwanted attention to the person placing them. We need to fact bomb the sheeple. They can also be placed without permission and are difficult to remove.

173691 ▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 25, #8 of 1814 🔗

You can stickers of the design from Redbubble, but they’re not cost effective for a mass-marketing campaign.

I did some basic research into print-on-demand stickers, but was put off by the lack of cost transparency. Besides, day-by-day I keep changing my mind as to what the message should be.

Maybe as a community we could come up with a small of set of principles that we can easily articulate, something along the lines of Martin Luther’s theses (ninety five is probably overkill).

To get us going, how about:

  1. COVID-19 is no more deadly than the flu.
  2. The PCR is fatally flawed: viral prevalence is not disease prevalence.
  3. Masks do not protect against viruses.
  4. Lockdown has already caused a greater loss of life years than COVID-19.
173742 ▶▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Mabel Cow, 4, #9 of 1814 🔗

Brilliant 👍🏼

Love it.

Will have a think too …

174950 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #10 of 1814 🔗

How about a picture of the crowd at Trafalgar square with the caption THE VOICELESS NOW HAVE A VOICE ! and underneath the lockdown sceptic website address. ps no pictures of flat earth placards .

173762 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Mabel Cow, 9, #11 of 1814 🔗

Great idea. But

viral prevalence is not disease prevalence | loss of life years

are possibly outside a lot of people’s brain power. Think Sun readers.

173826 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to JohnB, 11, #12 of 1814 🔗

I know intelligent educated people who unfortunately get all their info from the Beeb and experience severe cognitive dissonance with that one.

174502 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #13 of 1814 🔗

As public trust in the legacy media, including the BBC, is at an all time low, I’m surprised anyone is getting their information from the Beeb, and that includes their former employees…

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GlQP6YJIgHI

Former BBC Presenter Sue Cook on switching off the BBC News – 7 October 2020

173877 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to JohnB, 8, #14 of 1814 🔗

You are dead right. I just couldn’t think of anything pithier that was still truthful. This is why we need to hammer the matter out on the anvil of community opinion. Many eyes make all bugs shallow.

My plan is to create the smallest set of statements that represent the beliefs of this community.

Each statement must be falsifiable . It must not be a matter of faith.

Once we have our statements, we can print them on a placard and stand in the street and say, “This is what I believe: change my mind.”

Everyone loves to knock down someone else’s ideas, so let them try. Let them find the proof that we are wrong. And when they can’t find that proof, they are going to have to confront the fact that they have been misled.

( Disclosure: I’m shamelessly stealing this approach from How to Have Impossible Conversations .

The principle is that people very rarely change their minds when confronted by facts that disagree with their beliefs, and that the way to change their minds is to make them question how they came to believe what they believe. Making people search for proof is one way to make it clear to them where their beliefs come from.)

173950 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Mabel Cow, 7, #15 of 1814 🔗

For stickers –

Masking kids = child abuse.

Masks do not work (unless you’re trying to look like a twat.).

It’s not about the virus !

Handcock is a &x!&%$*

Unjust laws compel disobedience.

174593 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to JohnB, 2, #16 of 1814 🔗

And WHY do people still wear these bits of Chinese paper? If they MUST cover up, why not do it with a scarf?

174713 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Mabel Cow, 4, #17 of 1814 🔗

I suggested yesterday that you should not be alone. Secondly, suggest a group patrol centre of town, keeping one another in sight.

174789 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Guy Evans, replying to Mabel Cow, 3, #18 of 1814 🔗

How about “if your mask is effective, why am i compelled to wear one?”

174001 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to JohnB, 4, #19 of 1814 🔗

Sadly agree. If you focus-grouped it with a room full of bright 8 year olds, you’d come out with something most of the population can understand.

174130 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mike, replying to AidanR, 3, #20 of 1814 🔗

I think your being overly generous to the general public.

174519 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Mike, 1, #21 of 1814 🔗

I’m giving them the Benny-fit of the doubt.

174780 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to AidanR, 1, #22 of 1814 🔗

Hell’s bells, Benny Hawkins. I’d forgotten about him.

174707 ▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Mabel Cow, #23 of 1814 🔗

I would suggest simplifying the language.

Would Fred or Angela know the meaning of ‘prevalence’? Perhaps ‘presence’?

Masks don’t stop viruses, but can harm the user.

More deaths from lockdown than covid-19.

174828 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to PastImperfect, 3, #24 of 1814 🔗

> Perhaps ‘presence’?

Yes.

> Masks don’t stop viruses, but can harm the user.

Yes, although I’m going to suggest that we use wearer instead of user.

>More deaths from lockdown than covid-19.

I’d love to be able to say that, but I don’t have any proof.

However, the loss of years-of-life seems solid, at least according Dr Scott Atlas who has said that the lockdown in the United States has already cost twice as many years-of-life than have been lost to COVID-19. That statement was made in June 2020, way after the peak in COVID-19 deaths, so I can only imagine that the balance has shifted even further in the direction of lockdown losses.

So my list is now:

  1. COVID-19 is no more deadly than the flu.
  2. Viral presence is not disease presence. The PCR test is fatally flawed.
  3. Masks don’t stop viruses, but can harm the wearer.
  4. Lockdown has caused a greater loss of year-of-life than COVID-19.

I’ve taken to calling this list, “What I Believe”.

173736 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 4, #25 of 1814 🔗

That is a brilliant idea. I will do that 👍🏼

173720 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #26 of 1814 🔗

Like it a lot!

173748 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Mabel Cow, 12, #27 of 1814 🔗

I’ve saved 500,000 lives by staying at home and muzzling myself, and single-handedly stopped racism by taking the knee.

173865 ▶▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Mr Dee, 2, #28 of 1814 🔗

I believed you up until ‘taking the knee’…..

173817 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #29 of 1814 🔗

Perfect coming up to Rememberance Day!

174506 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #30 of 1814 🔗

Hi Mabel, sorry to be awkward but I preferred the first design. Is there any chance you could put it back up please? I really want the ‘t’ shirt!

Love what you are doing, keep up the good work. Cheers, Arnie.

175197 ▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Arnie, 1, #31 of 1814 🔗

Sorry, I’ve only just seen your post. Which one was the first design? I’ve done so many variations that I have lost count.

174934 ▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #32 of 1814 🔗

We changed it to .He fought for liberty. Don’t throw it away ! And Mabel they are looking great .Thank you again .

173684 ▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Mabel Cow, 10, #33 of 1814 🔗

A simple question to ask everyone you know, and to email your MPs.

If Covid 19 is so bad where are all the supermarket deaths?

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Jay Bhattacharya: Lockdown is more harmful than Covid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-J7HF_JDyY

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Ivor Cummins
128K subscribers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_pFoaUiZoE

One for the politically naive people out there – in a simplified story format to explain 😉
People keep asking #WhyAreTheyDoingThis?, and rightly so. Well here’s just one reason – in a sense they have no choice, politically.

174595 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #34 of 1814 🔗

We all know. And ‘they’ know we know.
But it won’t stop them because they need to keep us off balance until the Magic Cure arrives. And everybody (except the guinea pigs) makes a huge amount of money.

173656 Jim, 1, #35 of 1814 🔗

Second!!

173659 arfurmo, 1, #36 of 1814 🔗

Third

173662 Bill Hickling, replying to Bill Hickling, 11, #37 of 1814 🔗

Why does the silly Sturgeon wear a mask? Surely she has been tested and if negative there is no reason to wear one.

173683 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Bill Hickling, 4, #38 of 1814 🔗

Its the Sturgeon Tartan

174913 ▶▶▶ Roddy Duncan, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #39 of 1814 🔗

Smells a bit fishy to me

175220 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Roddy Duncan, #40 of 1814 🔗

That’s her sporran.

173708 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Bill Hickling, 23, #41 of 1814 🔗

There’s no reason to wear one anyway.

173743 ▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to RickH, 29, #42 of 1814 🔗

The story about removing masks between bites in restaurants in California must be the most stupid, moronic thing I’ve heard in this whole sorry charade. It says an awful lot about the mental capacity of the idiots that thought it up

173750 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to T. Prince, 13, #43 of 1814 🔗

It also says how far the absurdity has gone. A few months ago, we would have written it off as fake nooz.

173790 ▶▶▶▶ paulito, replying to T. Prince, 5, #44 of 1814 🔗

Indeed. Idiocy of the highest order. Having said that I saw people in a bar in Spain do this between sips of their drinks during the Summer.

174629 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to paulito, 1, #45 of 1814 🔗

What can you say besides “FFS!!!!!”

173731 ▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Bill Hickling, 4, #46 of 1814 🔗

She’s being kind

173834 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to T. Prince, 1, #47 of 1814 🔗

Hahaha!

173829 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bill Hickling, 1, #48 of 1814 🔗

She looked merely scary without it.

174598 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Bill Hickling, 2, #49 of 1814 🔗

I was thinking the same when I saw Prince William in one.
My first thought – but he’s YOUNG and therefore in no danger.
My second thought – if he feels he should wear one, why a scrap of Chinese tat?
My third thought – if he MUST wear one, why not a see-through one? (Plenty on the internet. And The Queen always uses a see-through umbrella, after all. It’s only polite.)

173663 John Galt, replying to John Galt, 20, #50 of 1814 🔗

“World’s first Covid passport technology will be trialled on flights from Heathrow this week in bid to let passengers travel without risk of quarantine in future BUT requires authorities to trust test lab results from abroad”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8814245/Worlds-Covid-passport-trialled-flights-Heathrow-week.html

It’s all starting to happen as predicted.

173672 ▶▶ JamesDrebin, replying to John Galt, 18, #51 of 1814 🔗

Yay, I was beginning to worry with all the fleeting moments of scepticism finding their way into the mainstream discussion that we might not get the Global Technocracy we were all so looking forward to. Thankfully, the “Standard Operating Narrative” is immune (lol) to truth, and so no matter what, this shit is happening. Hey let’s BUILD BACK BETTER, GUYS! 😀

173682 ▶▶▶ JamesDrebin, replying to JamesDrebin, 13, #52 of 1814 🔗

Also, I’m pleased to see we’re making such quick progress toward the Social Credit System (courtesy of Carl Vernon):

https://www.kentonline.co.uk/kent/news/cameras-which-can-monitor-social-distancing-in-pipeline-for-town-centres-235059/

Police me, daddy!

173695 ▶▶▶ John Galt, replying to JamesDrebin, 16, #53 of 1814 🔗

It’s crazy, isn’t it. They just keep ploughing on regardless.

Nobody dying? Just stop talking about deaths.

Low numbers? Doesn’t matter.

Public pushing back? Oh well.

173717 ▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to John Galt, 26, #54 of 1814 🔗

The government’s pattern of behaviour is clear and predictable.
They are going to plough ahead no matter what. If they encounter any resistance or new evidence against their position they just apply more force, more lockdowns, they double down again and again.

They have the power, they have the resources, they have the media with them.

And they have the clinching argument. If things get better it’s thanks to the measures. If they don’t, the measures are not enough and we need more.

They are never, ever, ever backing down.

173745 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to stewart, 6, #55 of 1814 🔗

Einstein had a word for it.

173919 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ helen, replying to RickH, 2, #56 of 1814 🔗

so did Joseph Heller

174643 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to helen, 4, #57 of 1814 🔗

I’ll go with that.

I remember a perfect illustration of the principle when I was in Poland 50 years ago :

  • You had to have a ticket to travel on a train
  • But the ticket office wasn’t open before the train went in the morning
  • and you couldn’t buy a ticket the previous day

Now – the whole country is taken over by the same sort of logical fartocracy of nonsense.

175037 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Monty Bodkin, replying to helen, 1, #58 of 1814 🔗

So have I.

173831 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to stewart, 23, #59 of 1814 🔗

The government is acting against the people in collusion with opposition and house of lords. The Monarchy have been neutered, the Police turned into a militia, the Courts and legal profession are not protecting us. The MSM have been paid to promote the treachery and keep us in ignorance. Academia and organized religion have been co-opted into the evil.

My Civil Obedience is no longer to be taken for granted.

174594 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Keen Cook, replying to karenovirus, #60 of 1814 🔗

in total agreement. Blowing up bridges time.

173980 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to stewart, 11, #61 of 1814 🔗

They are never, ever, ever backing down.


Nor are we, Stewart, nor are we

173990 ▶▶▶▶▶ Old Mum, replying to stewart, 8, #62 of 1814 🔗

‘All tyrannies rule through fraud & force, but once the fraud is exposed they must rely exclusively on force.’ George Orwell

174646 ▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to stewart, 3, #63 of 1814 🔗

And the reason they’re ploughing ahead? A very lucrative vaccine.

So long as people can be kept afraid, cowed, demoralised, but with just the smidgeon of a promise of escape at the end of it all…….
Hopeful people are more easily controlled, but the volume must be managed. Too much hope leaves a person emboldened and resistant. Too little leaves them disabled and useless. But just the right amount of hope subjugates them. They cradle it like a dying ember, and they’ll do anything to keep the wind from extinguishing it…..”

173679 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to John Galt, 5, #64 of 1814 🔗

Funny that, they’ve been rocking up at Heathrow since this began with no checks.

175042 ▶▶▶ Monty Bodkin, replying to Dan Clarke, #65 of 1814 🔗

“Rocking up” ???

173838 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to John Galt, 4, #66 of 1814 🔗

Toby exhibits severe cognitive dissonance with the implications.

173889 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to John Galt, 19, #67 of 1814 🔗

I had to read this twice (above in Toby Young’s update) to make sure I wasn’t seeing things:

‘Telegraph report about an idea (slightly) more sensible than universal quarantine’

Really? Is this what it’s for? Of course it is being spun as just freedom to travel but I simply can’t believe that Toby Young is naive enough to believe it! I can’t read the Telegraph article because I don’t subscribe but the comments show that a lot of their readers are way ahead of TY and are well up to speed with what this is really about. Ditto, many BTL comments under the Mail article.

This should tell us something – quoted from the Mail article:

‘It was launched by the World Economic Forum and The Commons Project, in collaboration with a broad coalition of public and private partners around the world ‘

I wonder who some of them might be?

Meanwhile, here’s one of many articles detailing the reality of what ‘Health Passports’ are really for. We can’t say we weren’t warned as it’s from last year and China has been running this since 2017. Millions of Chinese have been penalised in various ways for failing ‘Social Credit’ tests:

https://nypost.com/2019/05/18/chinas-new-social-credit-system-turns-orwells-1984-into-reality/

We can fool ourselves with fake T&T apps, comfort ourselves that the vaccine is getting held up or that Johnson will get ditched etc. all we like. Did anyone ask themselves why all the headlines regarding BJ’s conference speech focused on the windmill nonsense which will cost £150m i.e. small change when meanwhile, £100bn – 2/3 of the annual NHS budget – is going to be spent on ‘testing’.

Testing actually means a blanket roll-out of this Health Passport/CoviPass or whatever it gets called. This is what Johnson means by ‘Build Back Better’: total control, total tyranny, as pioneered by PRC. If you don’t comply you will not be able to participate in any part of what is considered normal life. By the way snitching is a cornerstone of this system in China. Sound familiar?

But, hey, enjoy your holiday! MW

173905 ▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 9, #68 of 1814 🔗

Delingpole needs to have a word with his mate. I listened to him on the Richie Allen show and he is fully clued up about what is going on and who is behind it (WEF, Agenda 2030, etc…)

173942 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 5, #69 of 1814 🔗

Agree. This is how the digital health passport will start to be implemented.

174183 ▶▶▶ JamesDrebin, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 9, #70 of 1814 🔗

Yep, I’ve been wondering for quite sometime if this site isn’t just a sort of safety valve to placate the easily-soothed. I’d like to be wrong but I mean, all the hand-wringing over not being conspiracy theorists, the constantly reaffirming the “it’s all a series of honest gaffs” nonsense. Really? Every single power broker in the world singing from the same sin-sheet? Enacting the same far-reaching policies? At the same time? In concert with censorship? And it’s just a coincidence? In that case, I have a bridge in London I’d like to sell you….

174238 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to JamesDrebin, 10, #71 of 1814 🔗

I think this site works as a very helpful safety valve for many people. It’s also a very useful place to share and discover quality information.
So, regardless of TY’s apparent naivete, we should be very grateful that he provides us with this space and make the most of it.

174495 ▶▶▶▶▶ JamesDrebin, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #72 of 1814 🔗

regardless of TY’s apparent naivete, we should be very grateful that he provides us with this space and make the most of it.

Yes absolutely agree. 🙂

174656 ▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #73 of 1814 🔗

And maybe ‘someone’ is watching us all to see who the troublemakers might potentially be!

174705 ▶▶▶▶▶ TT, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #74 of 1814 🔗

Absolutely agree – here in Belgium the only site that offers any resistance to the MSM drivel is of much lower quality than this one, and mainly seems to attract people venting about a mish-mash of (sadly) as yet unproven conspiracy/collusion suspicions, and who can’t write a full paragraph without including at least 3 glaring spelling mistakes. There are some more knowledgeable comments on there, but they are rare and hence it becomes very easy to put the whole thing down as a bunch of raving malcontents and extremist idiots. The organisation behin the site (“Viruswaanzin”, ie “Virus madness”) spends its time filing Court cases that are systematically rejected, so it’s all a bit depressing really (in a nutshell: our magistrates seem to think that no case can ever be brought against an ‘expert’ for implementing counterproductive or harmful measures… as long as they have a degree in virology or related sciences, their opinion is considered sacrosanct and their motives are by definition pure).
In the Netherlands it’s a bit better but the main actors also have popular perception very much against them, France is a very mixed bag (with Prof. Raoult in Marseille as the lone voice that is getting somewhat heard in high places), and for the rest I haven’t found anything worth mentioning.

This is at least a place where very strong arguments are presented in a serious and convincing way, and the sheer amount and quality of the comments makes it much harder to dismiss it as irrelevant.

174872 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sceptical Lefty, replying to TT, 3, #75 of 1814 🔗

The only think I would say us to stick to anti lock down matters- and nit other issues we may disagree with

174188 ▶▶▶ John Galt, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 7, #76 of 1814 🔗

The travel passport is one of the things I’ve been most worried about. I realised quite a while ago that travel is one of the easiest ways to ease this whole “vaccine passport” into play. Travel isn’t necessarily classed as a “right” and they can spin it however they like – “oh we want to protect other countries” or something along those lines.

The fact that Toby called it “sensible” is worrying. I’ve complained a few times about his use of the term “conspiracy theorists”, but to be fair, I think most who comment see things for how they are now, and the comments have outgrown the usefulness of the actual updates. I haven’t read the actual updates in a while now.

174200 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to John Galt, 6, #77 of 1814 🔗

I think you may well be right that BTL is where the real scepticism and debate lies. However, it worries me that TY and his colleagues are putting this kind of stuff out.

Also, it is crucial to realise that this ‘passport’ as about so much more than just travel. That’s the propaganda sales pitch. We have otherwise intelligent friends who can’t wait for their health passport so they can go abroad again. They really have no idea but we’re doing our best with them. MW

174230 ▶▶▶▶▶ John Galt, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 5, #78 of 1814 🔗

I agree. I’ve come to terms with the fact that he’s very “light” on what’s going on. It’s nice that attention is being brought to the matter in a fairly accessible way, but he either ignores or doesn’t realise the larger implications.

Oh, definitely. That’s what I meant by it’s one of the easiest ways to ease into it. Firstly it’s a travel passport. Then it’s a vaccine passport. Then you’re finding you can’t work without one.

173666 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 27, #79 of 1814 🔗

This Covid is really intelligent… It knows if you’re out drinking a pint or drinking a coffee!

Something tells me that Adolf Sturgeon has been trying for quite a while to shut down pubs. I think she doesn’t like it when people drink alcohol. And now she found an excuse.

173716 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 12, #80 of 1814 🔗

Yes, several politicians and public health officials support temperance, so have been looking for their Prohibition moment. It has never worked in the past, and will never work now, or in the future.

174579 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 3, #81 of 1814 🔗

When I lived in Scotland, time and again politicians tried to restrict alcohol consumption and it never worked or got off the ground.

This virus has been a wet dream for those who want to control public access to alcohol so they’re using the virus as an excuse.

174654 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #82 of 1814 🔗

Rab C. for leader! – Much more nous.

175445 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Bart Simpson, #83 of 1814 🔗

I disagree,our politicians are not puritans.They have no problem with drinking.This measure is to close down any place where people meet and could organise resistance

175466 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #84 of 1814 🔗

LOL “Your conspiracy theory is hogwash. Mine is true”

Personally I think there’s probably a modicum of truth in both.

174650 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 5, #85 of 1814 🔗

I reckon that if she’s a tee-totaller, she’s the best argument for getting pissed that I’ve ever come across.

173670 Recusant, 12, #86 of 1814 🔗

The leaches aren’t working, we need more leaches! And a time machine so we can put more leaches on two weeks ago.

173671 Crazy Hoarse, replying to Crazy Hoarse, 18, #87 of 1814 🔗

I’ve been thinking of leaving this rotten country for some time now, I’m now thinking nowhere on earth is safe so I’m going to volunteer to join Elon Musk’s mission to Mars. Anyone who wants to join me is welcome, the more the merrier

173715 ▶▶ Espedair, replying to Crazy Hoarse, 19, #88 of 1814 🔗

Where are you going to go, though? So much of the Anglosphere is caught up in the same madness. Much of my family live in Canada and tell me it’s as bad if not worse there.True story this (it’s on the Globe and Mail, Canada’s establishment newspaper website): Dr Theresa Tam, Canada’s CMO, proclaimed in one of her nightly TV addresses a month or so ago that h0rny Canucks should henceforth wear facemasks during sex and adopt ‘non facing’ positions. My brother, who lives in British Columbia, informed me that she’d lost any remaining credibility amidst the resulting howls of derision but that provincial health authorities in BC had gone a step further by recommending the use of ‘barriers, including glory holes’ when engaging in intimate relations. All true. Toto, we’re not in Kansas anymore!

173741 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Espedair, 26, #89 of 1814 🔗

“Theresa Tam, Canada’s CMO, proclaimed in one of her nightly TV addresses a month or so ago that h0rny Canucks should henceforth wear facemasks during sex and adopt ‘non facing’ positions.”

When you’ve stopped falling about, laughing uncontrollably at the absurdity (both in terms of the sex and the science) – there’s a serious point to be made :

Idiotic arseholes like this are being allowed to represent both the Public Health and Epidemiology professions – and are being listened to .

Meanwhile sanity and real science stands outside the stands outside the door in the cold, knocking to be let in.

If I was a serious Public Health or Epidemiological scientist (as opposed to a leach on the body politic like Ferguson), I’d be tearing my hair out.

173756 ▶▶▶▶ Espedair, replying to RickH, 6, #90 of 1814 🔗

She was late to the table with this cockamamy sh!te anyway. Covid-themed face mask sex was already a category on Pornhub by April! (or so someone told me … wouldn’t dream of … ahem).

174660 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Espedair, #91 of 1814 🔗

I guess if you’re as repulsive as your views, masked sex is the only option 🙂

173848 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Espedair, 2, #92 of 1814 🔗

Am I to understand that safe sex now consists of what I believe is called the ‘anal missionary position’ ?

173872 ▶▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to karenovirus, 7, #93 of 1814 🔗

Isn’t it that that HMG et al is doing to us all?

173874 ▶▶▶▶ Espedair, replying to karenovirus, 3, #94 of 1814 🔗

I suspect the advent of the state mandated full body condom cannot be far off along with Nicola Sturgeon peering through your bedroom curtains to ensure compliance or better yet a soft-on. Can you imagine the passion killing effects of having to remember to don a facemask* as well as johnnying up prior to a bout of mattress rodeo?

*edit. Some people will genuinely be into this and far be it for me to judge another’s’ fetish 😉

174665 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Espedair, 1, #95 of 1814 🔗

I’m disappointed that even the Western provinces in Canada – who like to pride themselves on being free thinkers – seem in thrall to the ”be afraid” message. Friends in one prairie city that’s seen about two ”cases” a couple of months ago, are still crawling around in muzzles even on the golf course!

173733 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to Crazy Hoarse, 9, #96 of 1814 🔗

I fancy West Africa. Nigeria has always sounded like a total hoot to me. I imagine it’s quite low on Covid-bollocks.

173909 ▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to Recusant, 5, #98 of 1814 🔗

Tanzania may be a better bet. The president is a sceptic.

173958 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Recusant, 6, #99 of 1814 🔗

Tanzania.. the president there was sceptical about the scamdemic and enlisted the army to test the ruse.. so they sent (amongst other things) swabs from a goat, a sheep, motor oil, and a paw paw fruit.. most came back positive.

173740 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Crazy Hoarse, 8, #100 of 1814 🔗

5 years down the line… Rumours of a local lockdown for Mars. Pubs to close at 10pm. 2 week quarantine for interplanetary travellers, Space Shuttle industry in turmoil.

173819 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Crazy Hoarse, 1, #101 of 1814 🔗

Its a very good option …

173673 Thomas_E, replying to Thomas_E, 110, #102 of 1814 🔗

I’m now at ta point where I don’t even read the articles anymore. What is the point? I mean, we all know it’s all bullshit, the the science does not count one jolt, there could be 10000 experts telling the government this , It does not matter. Facts, truth, logical reasoning. Doesn’t matter anymore .All that matters is fear, propaganda ,name-calling, relentless assault by the entire MSM , health passports, colour coding and complete compliance of the people. Job done, we lost ,they won.
I fight every day just to get out of bed, I have no more fight in me. I suffer from Complex PTSD ( Afghanistan, 2 tours) and I’m scared I will not make it trough the winter. If this is the world we will have to live in form now on, I don’t want to do it anymore

173701 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Thomas_E, 35, #103 of 1814 🔗

Empathy. I think many of us are reluctant to wake up, since at least we can, at times, dream sanity. It’s not even the ‘same old, same old, when the day breaks. It’s ‘more shit, more shit’.

173863 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to RickH, 56, #104 of 1814 🔗

I just took a drive past the (6th form) College as the students come out of several buildings going in every direction to do what they do at lunchtime.

Not a mask in sight and they are still obeying the ‘Rule of As Many Of My Mates As I Like’. 🙋‍♂️ 💁‍♀️ 💁‍♂️ 🙆‍♀️ 🙆‍♂️ 🙅‍♀️ 🙅‍♂️ 🙋‍♀️ 🙇‍♂️ 🙇‍♀️ 🤦‍♀️ 🤦‍♀️ 🤷‍♂️ 🤷‍♀️ 💇‍♀️ 💆‍♀️
Always cheers me up

174968 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to karenovirus, 7, #105 of 1814 🔗

And best wishes to all those students. What a crap future they face. Thank you Boris and your best mate Bill.

173704 ▶▶ JamesDrebin, replying to Thomas_E, 59, #106 of 1814 🔗

Hey mate I’ve been feeling the same sense of despair for the same reasons. Every article posted on this blog leads one to believe the truth is getting out, but then within 30 seconds of reading, another mad government mandate is handed down and you realise we’re all screaming in the wind.

That said, I am open to the idea that VERY eventually, the truth will come out and there will be retribution. But that will only be after the main goals of this sham have been achieved, and so we’ll unfortunately be in the position of needing to rebuild what was torn down, rather than preserving things as we might have hoped.

Anyway, thank you for your service, and I will be praying for your peace.

173732 ▶▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to JamesDrebin, 22, #107 of 1814 🔗

The only thing that changes this tide is mass redundancies. Nothing else will work.

174112 ▶▶▶▶ peter charles, replying to Cicatriz, 8, #108 of 1814 🔗

yes, and don’t forget a crippled economy

174135 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to peter charles, 14, #109 of 1814 🔗

My fear (expectation) is that it will be too late. When people realise they’ve been sold a pup we’re probably just left with mass civil disobedience. I expect the government will step in with its solutions to that, too.

174970 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Cicatriz, 5, #110 of 1814 🔗

The public will have nothing to lose, at least take one of those bastards with you.

173856 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to JamesDrebin, 22, #111 of 1814 🔗

The pushbacks prove that the truth is getting out there and being heard. Otherwise the truth would merely be ridiculed.
Don’t give up now!

174975 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #112 of 1814 🔗

I’ve been in the despondency phase. For most of us it will go away and be replaced by anger and a burning desire for retribution.

173709 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Thomas_E, 74, #113 of 1814 🔗

Stay strong Thomas. This is all coming to a head in the next couple of weeks. The Great Barrington Declaration is a major intervention that cannot be ignored – the MSM shills and their go-to ‘scientists’ are struggling to knock down three professors from Harvard, Stanford and Oxford, and 12k other scientists and medics have now put their necks on the line behind them. Next Thursday will see three things happen – deadline for deal with the EU, Tom Bower’s book on Boris and his private life, and the Dolan case. Boris is a dead man walking, and he knows it. Possible a senior Cabinet minister resigns fairly soon, bringing the whole pack of cards down. Might see a two-week half term lockdown across the whole country, but that will be it, in my view.

Much respect and gratitude for your service to our country.

173714 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 21, #114 of 1814 🔗

The GBD has been signed by the finest scientist I know. That does it for me.

173718 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 25, #115 of 1814 🔗

The Great Barrington Declaration is a major intervention that cannot be ignored”

Want to bet?

174686 ▶▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to RickH, 3, #116 of 1814 🔗

Yes

173734 ▶▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 9, #117 of 1814 🔗

I admire your optimism.

173836 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 17, #118 of 1814 🔗

I’m with you on all that, TT. I’m more optimistic than I have been for some time. No doubt there’s plenty more shit to be shovelled before we get to the end, but I think the outlook is promising.

174983 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Mark, 3, #119 of 1814 🔗

The darkest hour is just before dawn, hopefully.

173866 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 11, #120 of 1814 🔗

Yes! The truth is being aired. The tide is turning, don’t give up now.

Article in the Grad pointing out that 86% of those testing positive experience no symptoms. They spin it of course but the truth is there for all to see.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/08/more-than-80-positive-cases-in-covid-study-had-no-core-symptoms

Also the DT about a report that counters the lockdown argument:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/07/herd-immunity-could-have-saved-lives-lockdown-study-suggests/

174003 ▶▶▶ HoMojo, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 7, #121 of 1814 🔗

Wish I could be so confident, so thanks for your optimism. But it’s not a national thing, it’s an international thing, It’s the global scale of it all and the digital repression that freaks me.

174065 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to HoMojo, 8, #122 of 1814 🔗

Even the internationalists have overplayed their hand. Reckoning coming, especially if a certain person of orange hue wins next month.

174362 ▶▶▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to Nick Rose, 5, #123 of 1814 🔗

The left were wetting the pants with joy when orange Man got the lurgy. ow they are shitting bricks. Once he gets in he will be after all of them. he will keep his powder dry until after the election.

174017 ▶▶▶ PD, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #124 of 1814 🔗

I like your optimism TT

174048 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 5, #125 of 1814 🔗

Agree. The writing has been on the wall for a while now. Just need somebody prepared to kick the morons in the UN into touch.

174157 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 10, #126 of 1814 🔗

Good post. It’s clearly coming to a head, and the momentum is with only one argument.

And next Thursday is the Ides of October!

And hang on in there Thomas_E. I imagine there must be lots of ups and downs on an active service deployment – if so, it may help to pt this lot into perspective.

174980 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #127 of 1814 🔗

Serving in Afghanistan was serving Tony Blair and George Bush, not the country.

173729 ▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to Thomas_E, 4, #128 of 1814 🔗

I was thinking this in April 😉

174118 ▶▶▶ peter charles, replying to Cicatriz, 1, #129 of 1814 🔗

good comment

173737 ▶▶ adele, replying to Thomas_E, 25, #130 of 1814 🔗

I was feeling the same yesterday and got a lot of helpful responses on here. Take a step back from the internet and get out in the fresh air, it will do you good. They cannot avoid the inevitable backlash forever, it’s just a waiting game now. Stay strong.

173753 ▶▶ Allan Gay, replying to Thomas_E, 27, #131 of 1814 🔗

Stick with us, Thomas_E.
We need chaps like you.
Best wishes.

173779 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Thomas_E, 35, #132 of 1814 🔗

I think about suicide every day, but then I am curious how they will dig themselves out.
And what will it help our cause if I give up?
This stupid situation made me quit my job, but I was not prepared to support it (I worked in hospitality). Being at home all day, as I do not like to go out and see all the muzzled faces, makes it worse.
But we have to hang on, find a new hobby, I am sure we will come out of it and those responsible will be held accountable.
With every bad headline, there is something positive. Try to get off media, social media as well.
There are people out there you can talk to, or I am sure we can communicate off this site, maybe utilise the connections.
I hope you feel better today.

173902 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Silke David, 15, #133 of 1814 🔗

This is one of the things that keeps me going. I am intrigued as to how all this pans out. It may be horrific, but it is also bloody fascinating.

173780 ▶▶ Mrs issedoff, replying to Thomas_E, 13, #134 of 1814 🔗

I really feel for you Thomas. I can’t claim to have PTSD but I too really struggle to get out of bed, I have just dragged myself out unwillingly. I hope you have someone to talk to, we need to release our frustration, sending my love.

173901 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Mrs issedoff, 17, #135 of 1814 🔗

Thank you for your support, despite it all, this site is the only place where I can find some common ground and hear alternative narrative about this whole fucked up imaginary crisis.

174985 ▶▶▶▶ Lili, replying to Thomas_E, 2, #136 of 1814 🔗

Thomas, stick with us my lovely. We all have dark days – I lost my shit this morning and felt like I was going to have a heart attack I was so stressed with it all, but I’ll be damned if they’re going to win this. Stay angry, and stay with us. God bless and thank you for your service.We need you. xx

173888 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Thomas_E, 23, #137 of 1814 🔗

Although I have no experience of this, in physical combat the enemy that you are fighting must be more clearly defined and identifiable than what we are facing now.

Psychological warfare is very real, and we are all absolutely on the front lines. Our enemy is both everywhere and nowhere, which is what makes it so draining. Moreover, the battlefield is global in scope and continuous in activity, which can at times be overwhelming.

For my part I choose to hold firm to my principles and accept whatever consequences come my way as a result of adhering to them. It is the single most important thing I have ever done or will ever do in my life.

174247 ▶▶▶ zubin, replying to Richard O, 4, #138 of 1814 🔗

Well said. Resisting is vital life affirming work. Even if I fail I put myself up to be counted. Love

174297 ▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Richard O, 2, #139 of 1814 🔗

Well said, especially the last bit.

173893 ▶▶ JohnMac, replying to Thomas_E, 2, #140 of 1814 🔗

We will need people like you. In the meantime find a project that gets you away from this. Something for you or for other people, there’ll be something, so you can live normally as much of the time as possible. The tide will turn, believe me. And watch Katie Hopkins:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6lND4CZlXc

173928 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Thomas_E, 6, #141 of 1814 🔗

Tom_E

So is your surname Atkins ? 🙂 Just kiddin’.

To me it’s clearly a coup – our government has been hijacked into implementing the “great” reset. I ask myself, what would Robin Hood have done ?

173955 ▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to JohnB, 5, #142 of 1814 🔗

An arrow at 500 paces and still into the eyeball of the Blonde Bellend

173977 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Chris John, 3, #143 of 1814 🔗

You’re just trying to cheer us up … 🙂

173949 ▶▶ Chris John, replying to Thomas_E, 4, #144 of 1814 🔗

You just need to call out for help, that’s the hardest bit. There are people on here who can help. You are not alone.
Or a number.

174058 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Thomas_E, 1, #145 of 1814 🔗

It won’t be the world we have to live in from now on. Ignore the panic-mongers where possible. Even the MSM is turning now. Not as fast as we’d all like, but it is turning.

174346 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Thomas_E, 13, #146 of 1814 🔗

Exactly how I feel. I have cancer which is now untreated. My GP (remember them?) keep texting me to come for my flu jab and yet my once ‘vital’ blood tests are cancelled. They can inject something into you but not take blood out? My friend waited so long for an urgent cancer op that it had spread, she lost a kidney and is now just waiting to do. The elderly culled in death homes, in confinement like prisoners and without any medical treatment. Many religions insist on burial in 24 hours so were persuaded to accept Cvid-19 on relatives’ death certs even though there was no prior diagnosis just to avoid a 2 week delay in the release of the body The numbers are a sham and more are dying of neglect. I now feel utterly hopeless as the Govt have dismissed the Barrington Declaration. First they culled the old and vulnerable and now it’s the sick.

175004 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Thomas_E, 1, #147 of 1814 🔗

So sorry to hear about you Thomas, we’re all here for each other.

175175 ▶▶ NappyFace, replying to Thomas_E, 1, #148 of 1814 🔗

I feel your pain and I understand entirely where you’re coming from, but I think we are in 1944/45, rather than 1939/40. See this through – the tide is turning.

175463 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to NappyFace, 2, #149 of 1814 🔗

I felt we are between the reichstag fire and the Nuremberg laws

175526 ▶▶ Miss Owl, replying to Thomas_E, 1, #150 of 1814 🔗

It’s now tomorrow, and everyone will have piled onto the new edition of LS, but I hope you’ve come back, Thomas, to read the replies and to see that your comment here is the most upvoted of the day.

I’ve never been in the military, but I understand one of the good things about it is the camaraderie, the knowledge that all your mates have got your back. It’s like that on here: we’ve got your back.

Come back from time to time and let us know you’re here.

173674 Yorky Bar, replying to Yorky Bar, 1, #151 of 1814 🔗

Very interesting article from The Atlantic on superspreader events and whether we are doing contact tracing backwards
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/09/k-overlooked-variable-driving-pandemic/616548/

173918 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Yorky Bar, 2, #152 of 1814 🔗

Interesting but there are several flaws, starting with the assumption that covid is still the deadly killer it was in the beginning – and maybe still is to a tiny percentage.

It still doesn’t really answer his early question: What happened in Guayaquil, Ecuador, in April, when so many died so quickly …?

It claims that PCR tests are highly accurate for specificity and sensitivity. Maybe they are if you don’t take the p*ss with the number of cycles.

And of course there’s the ultimate catch: Could we get back to a much more normal life by [cluster busting] that is, once we get our case numbers down to low enough numbers to carry out such a strategy?

We could get the numbers down instantly by stopping pillar 2 testing and just protecting the vulnerable. It would save a fortune too!

173675 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 1, #153 of 1814 🔗

Coivd 1984 app . Has this been removed? Can’t find it in play store.

173686 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to arfurmo, 4, #154 of 1814 🔗

You can get it from covid1984.life

Requires you to allow apk files from outside of the Play Store.

173698 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, #155 of 1814 🔗

I’ve downloaded it but I can’t see it . Where is it living, please?

173700 ▶▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, #156 of 1814 🔗

Canecl that -found it

173706 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to arfurmo, 1, #157 of 1814 🔗

Good stuff, reply deleted!

173690 ▶▶ JamesDrebin, replying to arfurmo, 4, #158 of 1814 🔗

You can also just bookmark the following to access a non-installable webapp version:

https://covid1984.life/webapp.html

  • The page will initially load without venue details, You will need to tap the “Back to home” button to type in the details you want to show
  • You may need to tap the back button if your keyboard doesn’t automatically close.
  • To make the app show full screen, tap “Cancel this check in”.
  • To exit full screen tap “Back to home”
173697 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to JamesDrebin, 3, #159 of 1814 🔗

Even better!

174088 ▶▶▶ Ed Turnbull, replying to JamesDrebin, 1, #160 of 1814 🔗

The server’s not responding. Have the Downing Street Gestapo taken it down already? I wouldn’t be surprised, after all we can’t let the proles have any freedom from the State, can we?

174167 ▶▶▶▶ JamesDrebin, replying to Ed Turnbull, #161 of 1814 🔗

Working for me right now… but checking on downforeveryone, it appears to be down. So I’ve no idea now!

173808 ▶▶ Miss Owl, replying to David Mc, 5, #163 of 1814 🔗

Thanks; that was quite interesting. It also got me thinking about something I’m sure I was taught/found out many moons ago … in most people, the left hand side of the brain (focussed on statistics, concrete things) is dominant because they are right handed. I wonder if it’s true that most of us on here are left handed, with a dominant right-side brain (able to grasp abstract ideas; see the bigger picture)?

I’ll kick off: I am; and my oh, who posts on here, is too. Any others?

173821 ▶▶▶ David Mc, replying to Miss Owl, 2, #164 of 1814 🔗

Sadly I don’t think it’s that simple – people who are left-handed for the most part just have the hemisphere functionality reversed/mirrored, I believe. I think however that there is undoubtedly a genetic element to just how likely one is to get blinkered – as the brain develops the two hemispheres develop methods for, effectively, drowning out the other hemisphere, and the completeness of this process will partially be genetic and partially environmental.

173825 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Miss Owl, 2, #165 of 1814 🔗

Pretty strongly right handed. But left footed (in the footballing sense, not religious).

174016 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Mark, 1, #166 of 1814 🔗

I’m the opposite, left handed to write right handed everything else, probably why I’m shit at golf

173870 ▶▶▶ sarnskeptic, replying to Miss Owl, 2, #167 of 1814 🔗

Left handed here, but my entire family (both own and in-laws) are right handed and they’re all fully on our side. But we’re also all traditional Catholics (a niche part of the Catholic Church) so there’s a tendency towards “different thinking”…

173910 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Miss Owl, #168 of 1814 🔗

Old righty here

173915 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Miss Owl, #169 of 1814 🔗

Yep, I’m definitely sinister. Though right-footed, and throw right-handed.

173936 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Miss Owl, #170 of 1814 🔗

Right-handed and pretty left-brained.

174076 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Miss Owl, #171 of 1814 🔗

I’m left handed and sceptical of everything. No evidence – no belief.

174262 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Miss Owl, #172 of 1814 🔗

I’m right handed and right footed – I didn’t have much skill at football but the biggest compliment anyone ever paid me on the pitch was when an opposing player shouted “Don’t let him get it on his right foot” – I had quite an accurate shot. Many years ago I did an experiment to see if I could become more ambidextrous, which didn’t work but a small remnant is that when I need to use a handkerchief I go to my left pocket.

174395 ▶▶▶ Miss Owl, replying to Miss Owl, #173 of 1814 🔗

Thanks for all your replies. Really, I knew it was a nonsense as soon as I pressed ‘post’, especially as, if I think about it, my own left-handedness extends only to writing and hand sewing, while using knives and scissors I’m right handed. With other things – like house painting, or using an electric knife – I’m comfortable using either hand.

175090 ▶▶▶ Monty Bodkin, replying to Miss Owl, 1, #174 of 1814 🔗

I’m centre-right.

173945 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to David Mc, #175 of 1814 🔗

I was struck by the opening paragraph of the article, with the lemmings queuing to jump off the cliff.

The lemmings lie was one of the most effective scams ever perpetrated, the result of which is still in effect today. Even though the scam was exposed, it’s a persistent analogy.

Let’s hope the covid scam doesn’t persist as long!

173680 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 4, #176 of 1814 🔗

A simple question to ask everyone you know, and to ask your MPs.

If Covid 19 is so bad where are all the supermarket deaths?

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Jay Bhattacharya: Lockdown is more harmful than Covid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-J7HF_JDyY

youtube watch?v=0-J7HF_JDyY

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Ivor Cummins
128K subscribers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_pFoaUiZoE

youtube watch?v=K_pFoaUiZoE
One for the politically naive people out there – in a simplified story format to explain 😉
People keep asking #WhyAreTheyDoingThis?, and rightly so. Well here’s just one reason – in a sense they have no choice, politically.

174229 ▶▶ Steve, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #177 of 1814 🔗

More than just deaths. Why has no supermarket around the country been shut due to Covid?

173687 Lockdown Truth, replying to Lockdown Truth, 5, #178 of 1814 🔗

Hi are there any top graphic designers out there who want to do their bit to help end all this nonsense?

We have some of the biggest names in the sceptic world now working on our content that will be promoted to the public 121.

We need it to look great. This is what the opposition are up to https://www.purposedisruptors.org/

We need to match them.

Please get in touch via http://www.covid19assembly.org

Thanks

173765 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Lockdown Truth, 1, #179 of 1814 🔗

Happy to help – sent you my details.

173881 ▶▶ James Bertram, replying to Lockdown Truth, 2, #180 of 1814 🔗
173688 Jules, replying to Jules, 4, #181 of 1814 🔗
Sturgeon has "little else to ban" - well how about sweeties? Children can get excited around them and fail to observe distancing. 
173712 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Jules, 3, #182 of 1814 🔗

What about banning deep friend mars bars to help curb the obesity levels and stop a few deaths that way!

173713 ▶▶▶ Janice21, replying to Janice21, #183 of 1814 🔗

*fried

173868 ▶▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to Janice21, 9, #184 of 1814 🔗

She’s already banned friends – presumably because she’s jealous of anyone who has any.

173754 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Janice21, 14, #185 of 1814 🔗

The way the economy is going, by January we’ll be deep-frying our friends just to survive.

173758 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Mr Dee, #186 of 1814 🔗

Must make a list then . . .

173869 ▶▶▶▶ Thinkaboutit, replying to Mr Dee, 2, #187 of 1814 🔗

When the initial lockdown resulted in empty supermarket shelves we did speculatively eye up the dogs. Too scrawny we decided.
(Note to dog lovers, it’s a joke, we’d never)

173912 ▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to Thinkaboutit, 2, #188 of 1814 🔗

Working from home for six months has added a bit of variety to our diet. We haven’t had dog (we wouldn’t either) but being able to get exotic meats delivered means we’ve had kangaroo, ostrich, water buffalo and tonight I’m cooking goat – Moroccan style.

173954 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mr Dee, #189 of 1814 🔗

I have some friends who are, sadly, becoming deep-fryable!

173692 Espedair, 13, #190 of 1814 🔗

After the gradual ramping up of my disillusionment with the SNP‘s murky internal shenanigans, Salmondgate, Cherrymandering and Nicola‘s (aka the Grim Gauleiter of Govan) dangerous Covid authoritarianism, I quit the SNP last month. I’ll still vote for Scotland’s independence if another opportunity presents itself but have grave concerns about her gang of Stepford Wives and Children of the Corn being initially at the helm of an independent state. Anyway, I’d like to share with you my feelings about Nic’s Covid ‘approach’ in the form of a showtune:

(With apologies to Irving Berlin and Ethel Merman)

‘There’s no sickness like Covid sickness like no sickness Nic knows
Everything about it is appealing, all the extra power lockdown will provide
Nowhere can Nic get that happy feeling when she’s stealing that extra life

There’s no tyrants like Covid tyrants, they smile when they say NO!
Even with a Casedemic that Nic knows is mince, Leitch will screech just to convince
Nic will continue to fail, repeat and rinse, and she’ll go on with the show!’

… c’mon Nic! You know the words!

173693 Ben Shirley, replying to Ben Shirley, 60, #191 of 1814 🔗

I only really have one friend whom I see with any regularity, and our friendship has had to be suspended because his girlfriend’s gone into bed-wetter mode and, instead of slapping her into her senses, he’s indulging her. The upshot of which is that I’m banned from visiting them, because I might kill her (she’s 22).

The other day, I received a ‘phone call from them. “We’re moving house, would you be able to come over and give us a hand?” I took great delight in pointing out that certain double standards were at play.

173711 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Ben Shirley, 9, #192 of 1814 🔗

Ha ha! Some double standards with a few members of my family and freinds too. Did you end up giving them a hand?

173767 ▶▶▶ Ben Shirley, replying to Janice21, 11, #193 of 1814 🔗

No. I did agree to help, but I think I’d made them feel embarrassed as they insisted they could manage well enough.

173735 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Ben Shirley, 4, #194 of 1814 🔗

Let’s hope a vaccine is brought out quickly so she can take it and feel safe again.

173776 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to stewart, 9, #195 of 1814 🔗

Yes – this is another of those logic/evidence-free twists that we have seen so much of.

The low likelihood of catching SARS-CoV-2, coupled with its low CFR is replaced by the certainty of getting a novel vaccine whose effects have not been sufficiently explored.

Brain goes walkies again.

One could write a book about the twists and turns of illogic in the shit-show.

173861 ▶▶ Thinkaboutit, replying to Ben Shirley, 9, #196 of 1814 🔗

I’d have been tempted to help out and then sneeze on all their worldly goods.

173694 Jules, 7, #197 of 1814 🔗

Sturgeon has “little else” to ban. How about sweeties? Children tend to go mad around them and social distancing can be forgotten.

173696 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #198 of 1814 🔗

Bit ironic that the ‘purposedisruptors’ started off meeting in a pub and the worse bit, about 60 of them altogether!.. Johnson has put a firm stop to that bit of nonsense!

173784 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #199 of 1814 🔗

‘purposedisruptors’ started off meeting in a pub

Err, well, that’s what they tell us. You did see what they do for a living ?

Bill Hicks, as is often the case, springs to mind.

173702 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 3, #200 of 1814 🔗

FYI:

https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-barrington-declaration-an-open-letter-arguing-against-lockdown-policies-and-for-focused-protection/

The main arguments seem to be:

  • Effectively protecting the vulnerable is impossible.
  • We don’t know how long immunity lasts; therefore herd immunity might not be achievable.
  • “Long Covid”.
173722 ▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to mattghg, 19, #201 of 1814 🔗

If protecting the vulnerable is impossible then what purpose does the lockdown achieve?

173747 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Cicatriz, 25, #202 of 1814 🔗

Yes, it’s a mysterious thing. You can protect everyone in the country but not a smaller group of people in the country. Pretty amazing stuff.

Here’s another one. Having had the virus doesn’t confer immunity, but a vaccine will. That’s also quite amazing.

Another one. Lockdown measures control this new virus, but regular colds and flus still circulate freely. That is really amazing.

If you didn’t know better, you’d think the government thinks we are all completely stupid, right?

173797 ▶▶▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to stewart, 4, #203 of 1814 🔗

Either that, or the government is stupid enough to believe what lobbyists from the pharma industry are telling them and simply don’t care what the public think.

174839 ▶▶▶▶ LS99, replying to stewart, #204 of 1814 🔗

Perfectly summed up! Note to government – some of us aren’t that daft!

173770 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Cicatriz, 8, #205 of 1814 🔗

Searching for logic in the Covid argument is like trying to find water in the Namib.

On the ‘protecting the vulnerable’ ploy – the actual pragmatic answer is the old one : let them protect themselves (in do far as they are able), and assist in doing that. Which brings us back to normality … which is the problem, of course.

173995 ▶▶▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to RickH, #206 of 1814 🔗

Yes. I can no longer penetrate the veil of obfuscation.

173772 ▶▶▶ Allan Gay, replying to Cicatriz, 2, #207 of 1814 🔗

Chinese hegemony.

173739 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to mattghg, 4, #208 of 1814 🔗

Response to point 2: that completely undermines the premise of vaccination
Response to point 3: if that is a phenomenon, running a challenge trial for a vaccine, (notwithstanding the response to point 2), is morally dubious and dangerous

173757 ▶▶ JamesDrebin, replying to mattghg, 2, #209 of 1814 🔗

Yeah I found a few sites using experts in The Science™ to poo-poo the GBD. Never takes long does it.

I’ve spoken to a few “scientacolytes” I know (those who hardcore preach the popular science – not just your normie “scientistas” who simply use expert-idolisation as part of their virtue signalling) and they have all gone right in there with the “MAH LONG COVID” defence, plus all the ballox around children getting Kawasaki Syndrome etc.

Apparently fractions of a fraction of a percent are all that is needed for maximum risk avoidance like it’s a certainty. Science? Scientism more like.

173814 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to mattghg, #210 of 1814 🔗

Sorry, I posted this before realising that it’s included in the post!

173710 Will, replying to Will, 6, #211 of 1814 🔗

I have asked a couple of times but couldn’t find my posts to check for replies so please forgive me for asking again but please could Carrie or another of the Swedish posters tell me whether Sweden is worrying itself with the phenomenon of “long Covid”? Thank you. Hopefully as I am near the front of the list I will be able to find any replies.

173761 ▶▶ adele, replying to Will, 3, #212 of 1814 🔗

At the top of the comments there’s a little symbol on the left, here you can check back on any of your posts

173786 ▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to adele, 1, #213 of 1814 🔗

Thanks Adele. Just posting to follow your advice!

173827 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to adele, 1, #214 of 1814 🔗

Couldn’t get it to work, it just asked me if I wanted to delete my comments. Thank you though.

173933 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Will, 2, #215 of 1814 🔗

i just tried it – top of comments on left little man symbol. clicked on this and got a list of past comments . yes – option to delete. but each comment a hyperlink to the original entry

173986 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Will, 2, #216 of 1814 🔗

There is a strong anti Tegnell/Giesecke group in Sweden which has some backers in MSM
The names are in this Lancet link attacking Giesecke’s silent pandemic article

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31672-X/fulltext

They have lately(probably inspired by BM/BMJ)jumped into long covid band wagon.They are still a minority opinion

173721 MizakeTheMizan, replying to MizakeTheMizan, 37, #217 of 1814 🔗

“Long Covid” is just fearmongering nonsense.

Every virus will result in a minority of long term sufferers, just as some will not even know they have it. This is the case with every flu season, people react differently to viruses. It even has a name, ‘post-viral syndrome’ or ‘post-viral fatigue’.

This just confirms to me that this is a scam, a normal virus that has been deliberately ramped up to create fear in the population.

173730 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to MizakeTheMizan, 7, #218 of 1814 🔗

People on Jeremy Vine yesterday fear mongering about long Covid. I had to switch off as started to feel pure rage!

173859 ▶▶ Thinkaboutit, replying to MizakeTheMizan, 7, #219 of 1814 🔗

It took me six months to recover from pneumonia and I still have scarred lungs. Not abnormal with any severe lung disease ( and mine was bacterial).

173981 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to MizakeTheMizan, 4, #220 of 1814 🔗

More Or Less R4 yesterday said long Covid was entirely self diagnosed and reported. Someone who thinks they had Covid in March and has a headache today can say it is long Covid so all utter b*llocks.

174853 ▶▶▶ scoobydoo, replying to karenovirus, 5, #221 of 1814 🔗

I am sympathetic to a lot of the general thrust of the sceptic argument (minus the culture war / conspiracy stuff), but sceptics are not doing their cause any favours by outright denial about Long Covid.

I’ve been ill since March – diagnosed with pericarditis (inflammation of the lining of the heart), which I got as a result of suspected Covid. For a month I had a fiery pain in my lungs and for several months a heavy weight on my chest, as well as a weird range of more minor symptoms which I won’t bore you with. It took me until August to feel more human again and still haven’t regained my baseline level of health. So if the term Long Covid is accepted, it probably refers to people like me. I agree that this term and what causes it is a matter for debate (am neither a medic nor a scientist so am staying out of that debate); that other viruses also spark lasting effects (e.g. pericarditis); and that reasonable people can disagree on what the appropriate policy response is to Long Covid. But w hat cannot be denied is that what we are going through is very real.

For the sake of balance/openmindedness/not living in an echochamber etc, I look both on Lockdown Sceptics and at longcovid sites for information. It seems to me that ironically, even though longcoviders and sceptics appear diametrically opposed on a lot, there are some points in common (apart from the obvious one that the UK government has messed things up bigtime):

1.The sceptic claim of a 0.1% fatality rate, which I agree seems plausible, implies far more people had CV19 around the Feb-March peak of infections than appears in official statistics. You should therefore be more inclined to believe people who say they had it early on. It stands to reason that if many millions had it then, if even a small minority of them both were non-trivially ill in the community and had lasting effects, that is quite a large number of people. In response to a frequently asked question here, the reason why longcoviders can’t prove they had Covid is simple: we caught it well before testing was available to those ill with Covid in the community but not ill enough for hospitalisation. Having initially obeyed the ‘stay at home protect the NHS’ nonsense, my condition deteriorated and I ended up having to attend hospital about six times between April and July, but not admitted overnight hence no test. GPs and A&E doctors all agreed from my symptoms I had probably had Covid, but I don’t feature anywhere in official statistics.

2.Both are critical of an overreliance in official management of CV19 on flawed lab testing rather than clinical diagnosis. In response to another claim sometimes made here (some longcoviders have had negative tests, therefore they must be lying), the reason why some longcoviders have had negative tests is that by the time they got tested it was too late for a positive test. Thus I was finally tested in late May, not at my request but at that of the GP just to check I was safe to have back in the surgery for my heart issues, and not surprisingly (at least 2 and a half months after infection) it was negative. A similar issue applies to negative antibodies – I had a negative antibody test because tested 3 months after infection, whereas it seems they wear off after a couple of months. Sceptics argue that immunity can’t just be measured by antibodies, because of T-cell immunity, so they should not discount possible Long Covid cases simply on the basis of negative antibody tests.

3.Both are critical of negligence in the NHS. Everyone here will be aware this is a big problem for those with non-Covid illnesses, but arguably it also applies to those with significant Covid illness in the community. I was ‘lucky’ in that developing a serious heart condition, whose symptoms can overlap with those of a heart attack, meant I at least got some access to medical care (give or take the usual long delays in getting supposedly urgent scans). You would think from some of the comments here that having Long Covid is a magic passport to jumping the queue but it is not. Contrary to the idea that it is some sort of government conspiracy, it took months of campaigning by patients before the government recognised it at all. Back in April on 111 online, if I put my symptoms through the Covid page it just said stay at home for 7 days (useless for those ill for far longer), but with exactly the same symptoms but not mentioning Covid it said go to A&E straight away. Since then my GP has been great; the A&E triage nurse who did not believe my elevated heart rate was due to pericarditis, and asked me if I had taken cocaine, rather less so! But many other longcoviders were not so fortunate and have had to manage by themselves with no help or treatment for what have been in many cases some pretty debilitating symptoms, and some (especially women) have been dismissed as suffering from anxiet

We’re not your enemy. Love and solidarity to all who are suffering.

175270 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to scoobydoo, #222 of 1814 🔗

I was posting while out and about while on the go and didn’t have time to expand.
I’m not saying long Covid does not exist just that as there is no medical definition of what it is any claims about its prevalence must be discounted.

My sympathy for your troubles and I wish you well.

174043 ▶▶ Gman, replying to MizakeTheMizan, 2, #223 of 1814 🔗

Brother in law works for border force and he knows 2 colleagues who have been off since May with “long covid” there is no medical follow up to this so they can effectively self certify – in his opinion they are milking it.

Would be good to see a comparison of the numbers of people suffering with long covid in the public sector compared to private…..

174285 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Gman, -1, #224 of 1814 🔗

Like the familiar “bad back” excuse – back problems can be genuine and severe but they’re also an easy option for the malingerer as it’s difficult to prove that someone doesn’t have a bad back.

174471 ▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Gman, #225 of 1814 🔗

I’m public sector and some departments give full pay for 6 months followed by half pay for 6 months for those with long term illnesses. Watch that long Covid miraculously cure itself at the 6 month mark!

173723 Cassandra, replying to Cassandra, 14, #226 of 1814 🔗

Reading the BBC response to the Barrington declaration, I couldn’t help but think of the following Friedman quote – The society that puts equality before freedom will end up with neither.

173727 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to Cassandra, 8, #227 of 1814 🔗

Or another Friedman quote – “it’s very hard to convince someone of something when their job depends on them not being convinced”

173760 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Cassandra, -4, #228 of 1814 🔗

Friedman wasn’t a great philosophical thinker. The concepts aren’t in opposition; he was just dressing up his politics.

173794 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to RickH, 6, #229 of 1814 🔗

Equality of outcome, as a guiding principle of law and policy is totally destructive of freedom. Its implementation can only be attempted through totalitarian mechanisms.

We see this already through the development of totalitarian-style groupthink media in the USA and UK.

ITV, like CNN, now have long propaganda segments between programmes instructing viewers what to believe about equality issues. The BBC has an official Reality Check service to tell people what reality is and what they should believe. All programmes, from history to lifestyle, even game shows, are now full of equality of outcome propaganda. This would all have been unthinkable 20 years ago. Imagine where we will be in another 20 years.

173875 ▶▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to OKUK, 2, #230 of 1814 🔗

Does it mean we all get paid the same as Gary Lineker for doing just as little?

174295 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to OKUK, #231 of 1814 🔗

One of my never-to-be-written books is provisionally called The False Dogma of Human Equality. The subject has probably been covered by Douglas Murray and others so I don’t need to write it myself.

173768 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Cassandra, 1, #232 of 1814 🔗

That’s a good quote. I’m sure equality in this context means equality of outcome, not equality before the law or equality of opportunity.

173857 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to OKUK, 1, #233 of 1814 🔗

In practice equality does not exist. Not just due to unavoidable bias or inherent injustice, but because it is simply not possible for two individuals, let alone larger groups, to be “equal”. Upon this false premise entire systems of governance have been founded.

174027 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Richard O, 1, #234 of 1814 🔗

I think fairness is more important.

174113 ▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #235 of 1814 🔗

This comes down to Jonathan’s Haidt’s moral foundations. Some people seem not to factor “justice” in their calculations – i.e. that it’s wrong that people who work hard are fleeced to level up those who choose not to put in the same effort. I got annoyed at a Triggernomentry discussion the other day when the interviewee rolled out the hoary old Marxist chestnut of “from each according to his ability, to each according to his need” because that’s just an excuse for exploitation by the lazy and talentless.

Obviously, that sums up Marx himself to a tee, so it’s no surprise he was all for it.

174254 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Andrew Fish, #236 of 1814 🔗

It’s based on the unfortunate assumption that the lazy and talentless will only be rewarded for their contribution. Somewhat naive.

173726 Darryl, 7, #237 of 1814 🔗

Toby shouldn’t be surprised that Vice grassed up the developer of the anti track and trace app. The company might style itself as being independent and edgy but it is owned by Private Equity and other multinational media companies (Rupert Murdoch had a stake in the past and possibly still does).

The message (propaganda) in the media tends to be one as most brands have common ownerships, even local newspapers.

173738 Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 52, #238 of 1814 🔗

My wife has an optician appointment right now. The opticians were informed yesterday that my wife is exempt from wearing a mask due to her severe asthma. The person on the phone yesterday told me she would make a note of that and that all would be fine.

Guess what. My wife’s just phoned to say they would not let her in without a mask. So she’s currently masked up in the waiting room.

I’ve just got off the phone to the opticians where I’ve recited government guidelines on mask exemption down the line, and asked if they’re aware of the penalties of forcing a mask on someone despite their exemption. The lady on the phone was very polite and professional, and agreed to immediately investigate the situation, to apologise to my wife and allow her to continue the appointment maskless.

I normally hate confrontation, but I’m shaking with anger.

173759 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Mr Dee, 11, #239 of 1814 🔗

Your wife is exempt AND their premises are exempt! Of course, in the usual contradictory way, new rules mean the staff have to be masked.

The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Wearing of Face Coverings in a Relevant Place) (England) Regulations 2020
…..

7. Premises (other than registered pharmacies) providing wholly or mainly medical or dental services, audiology services, chiropody, chiropractic, osteopathic, optometry or other medical services including services relating to mental health.

173789 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Mr Dee, 13, #240 of 1814 🔗

I normally hate confrontation, but I’m shaking with anger.

 Gets easier every time, Mr Dee. You’ve probably helped many customers of that optician too.

173832 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Mr Dee, 7, #241 of 1814 🔗

It’s interesting how the “rules”, even within a particular sector, are being interpreted differently. I had an opticians appointment a couple of weeks ago including an eye test. The subject of masks came up while making the appointment and I told the receptionist that I was exempt. She duly made a note of that and on entering the shop for my appointment there was no issue at all. And on the subsequent visit to have my new spectacles fitted there was no problem at all.

I’ve no idea whether your wife visited a chain or independent optician; mine is independent and recent experience has shown that independents of anything are more pragmatic than chains.

173900 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 15, #242 of 1814 🔗

Boots. As in ‘stamping on a human face forever.’

Anyway, to their credit, following my phone call, they immediately allowed my wife to continue unmasked, apologised profusely and were exceptionally kind and polite to her throughout the whole appointment.

It just goes to show the importance of making an immediate protest in these events. Chip, chip, chip away at the seemingly towering edifice, and sooner or later it will collapse.

174337 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Mr Dee, 2, #243 of 1814 🔗

You, sir, have fulfilled your quota for the day. Good work!

173932 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #244 of 1814 🔗

So she’s currently masked up in the waiting room.

Very sad. However, why did she put the mask on instead of voting with her feet?

174030 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mr Dee, 2, #245 of 1814 🔗

Thank goodness she had you to stand up for her, if she didn’t feel confident to face confrontation.

175068 ▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #246 of 1814 🔗

Well done! Not only have you helped your wife but also they will think twice about bullying others in the future .

173746 JohnMac, 1, #247 of 1814 🔗

THIS is what students should be doing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rGqaMkoiyg

173749 Adamb, replying to Adamb, 5, #248 of 1814 🔗

Who would recommend a trip to Italy now you have to wear a mask literally everywhere??

173763 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Adamb, 2, #249 of 1814 🔗

Literally no one.

173775 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Adamb, #250 of 1814 🔗

Nobody. Was going to go to Rome in July to have a better look at the sights without all the tourists about, opted to go somewhere else. It’ll have to wait now!

173752 ambwozere, replying to ambwozere, 2, #251 of 1814 🔗

Apologies if this has already been posted however I came across this site too calling for a different approach and asking for people’s opinions.

https://restorethebalance.info/#sad

173929 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to ambwozere, 1, #252 of 1814 🔗

This is a great website.

It’s time for the UK to return to its senses.

Restore The Balance is campaigning for a approach to Covid that acknowledges the risk, but weighs action against its consequences.

We aim to calm the hysteria, share the facts and put Covid into a rational perspective.

Every single person who joins us makes a difference. We welcome your support.

WHAT’S YOUR VIEW?

What’s your view on Covid19?

We want to encourage a proper debate.

Whatever your reason for backing our campaign, it’s important. Together, we can change what’s happening.

174097 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to ambwozere, #253 of 1814 🔗

Some good articles are linked there.

173755 Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 15, #254 of 1814 🔗

Well today BA decommissioned the last of their Boeing 747 ‘jumbo jets’ thanks to government interference in travel. The 747 to me was the main symbol of the jet era, and it really feels like the end of an era for mass international travel.

173785 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 3, #255 of 1814 🔗

At this moment, I’m more concerned with travel within national boundaries – unfettered by restrictions on where and how I can eat/drink etc.

173844 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to RickH, 4, #256 of 1814 🔗

Nobody asked you to make a choice between the two.

All of the restrictions should be scrapped immediately. I’m sure being on this site, you would agree.

173771 Biker, replying to Biker, 4, #257 of 1814 🔗

Did Jim Davidson’s black friend “Chalky” make the list?

173792 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Biker, 2, #258 of 1814 🔗

just read through the list .. haven’t heard of most of them . Show the list to an average black guy on the street and they also wont of heard of most of them either. Unless they are a Guardian reader,

173773 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 3, #259 of 1814 🔗

More than three times as many people died due to Covid-19 compared with deaths from flu or pneumonia in England and Wales in 2020 , according to figures from the Office of National Statistics

for a 1 in 100 year event, a bit of a nothingburger then

173781 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 1, #260 of 1814 🔗

From ONS stats

Deaths where the underlying cause was respiratory disease (ICD-10 J00-J99) = 49,771

Deaths where COVID-19 was mentioned on the death certificate (ICD-10 U07.1 and U07.2) = 52,271



174107 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to steve_w, #261 of 1814 🔗

Very telling!

173795 ▶▶ RickH, replying to steve_w, 6, #262 of 1814 🔗

… and if you believe that bit of BBC propaganda, there’s fairies at the bottom of our garden.

Deaths where COVID-19 was mentioned on the death certificate”

… which includes broken legs and traffic accidents.

174061 ▶▶ Gman, replying to steve_w, 6, #263 of 1814 🔗

On the BBC news this lunchtime they reported this, followed by saying that flu/pneumonia deaths were well down this year compared to recent years. I was literally screaming at the TV – THIS IS BECAUSE YOU CANT DIE TWICE! – a lot of the people that have died from Covid would have died from the flu. But they did not make any link or correlation, just fear, fear, fear.

174106 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Gman, 1, #264 of 1814 🔗

Just doing their job!

174669 ▶▶▶ TT, replying to Gman, 1, #265 of 1814 🔗

… it all becomes a bit confusing considering the claim that Covid deaths are mainly due to sensitive individuals contracting fatal pneumonia due to complications from ‘the virus’, doesn’t it (at least that’s what I always heard…) ?
Wonder if we’ll ever know how exactly they distinguish Covid-pneumonia-fatalities from other fatal cases of pneumonia (which can be either bacterial or viral, as far as I know).

174103 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to steve_w, #266 of 1814 🔗

What exactly does “due to covid” mean?

It’s a very stinky red herring, isn’t it?

173774 Yawnyaman, replying to Yawnyaman, 4, #267 of 1814 🔗

Times leader on Great Barrington. Typical MSM pushback in part, but conceded may be only long term solution.

174110 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Yawnyaman, 1, #268 of 1814 🔗

A concession is a start!

173777 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 5, #269 of 1814 🔗

Jerry Seinfeld was excellent on Today R4-made more sense than the Imperial College guy who followed.

173799 ▶▶ kf99, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #270 of 1814 🔗
173782 Major Panic, 1, #271 of 1814 🔗

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173783 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 20, #272 of 1814 🔗

I’m going to go back to an analogy I used the other day and elaborate on it a little.

We’re currently stood at one side of a large fast flowing river and need to get to the other side. Everything we need is on the other side, homes, jobs, friends, families, normal life. Our leaders have told us that we can only get to the other side once the river has dried up because any other option would involve unnecessary risk.

There is no food on this side and nothing that will keep us alive if we dwell too long. The longer we wait the more of us will die a slow death.

A small group have suggested that we build a bridge to cross the river but they are shut down because there is no guarantee that it is possible a bridge can be built.

So what do we do? Wait till the river dries up or start building that bridge?

173793 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Nobody2020, 4, #273 of 1814 🔗

Wonderful way of putting it. The solution begins and ends with us.

173924 ▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to Nobody2020, 3, #274 of 1814 🔗

Or the biggest, strongest and best swimmers amongst us wade across, carrying the weaker ones on our backs.

173787 kf99, replying to kf99, 18, #275 of 1814 🔗

Today’s update made a very important point regarding the “Expert reaction” to the Barrington Declaration.

“If herd immunity isn’t achievable because antibodies fade, leaving those who have them vulnerable over time, then that also rules out an effective vaccine.”

Exactly. They can’t have it both ways.

173807 ▶▶ Mark, replying to kf99, 5, #276 of 1814 🔗

Unfortunately they probably can, because as I understand it some of the vaccine candidates alter the victim’s [sic] dna to achieve their effects by radically different means from traditional vaccines.

But in the panic they’ll be rushed into use after a few months testing, just like the rest. What could possibly go wrong?

173810 ▶▶ stewart, replying to kf99, #277 of 1814 🔗

Doesn’t that describe the flu jab?

174139 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to stewart, #278 of 1814 🔗

The temporary effects yes but the dna altering aspects no. The proposed vaccine is unlike any ever before.

Kendrick explains this very clearly here:
https://brandnewtube.com/watch/dr-zac-uncensored-with-dr-malcolm-kendrick-live_W2EGf2HuoMorJVI.html

It’s well-worth hearing all of the talk but the bit about the new vaccine starts at about 1hr 10 mins.

173846 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to kf99, 2, #279 of 1814 🔗

They will just say we need a monthly vaccine or some rubbish like that.

173964 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to kf99, 2, #280 of 1814 🔗

The Oxford Vaccine group key individuals, and indeed the Big Pharma sponsors only make shed loads if the virus is endemic. They therefore want limited duration immunity, requiring regular shots of the vaccine. It will be distributed ‘at cost’ if there is a pandemic (that is, medical emergency). The best drugs for Big Pharma, which are now off-patent, included Tagamet, Zantac and Losec (for peptic ulcers). They don’t make enough money from low-frequency prescribed drugs!

173796 Rowan, replying to Rowan, 6, #281 of 1814 🔗

You get what you vote for. England gets the clown Johnson and Scotland has the malevolent Nicola. That’s democracy in action.

173802 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Rowan, 7, #282 of 1814 🔗

“Democracy is also a form of worship. It is the worship of Jackals by Jackasses”

…. H L Mencken

173891 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to RickH, 7, #283 of 1814 🔗

Of course, Mencken had some other beauties for these times. For amusement :

“Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard.”

“The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”

“The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.”

“Nobody ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American [substitute ‘British’] public.”

“Democracy is the art and science of running the circus from the monkey cage.”

“No one in this world, so far as I know – and I have searched the records for years, and employed agents to help me – has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people.”

“The one permanent emotion of the inferior man is fear – fear of the unknown, the complex, the inexplicable. What he wants above everything else is safety.”

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out… without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.”

“Most people want security in this world, not liberty.”

“Every decent man is ashamed of the government he lives under.”

“The worst government is often the most moral. One composed of cynics is often very tolerant and humane. But when fanatics are on top there is no limit to oppression.”

“All government, of course, is against liberty.”

“Giving every man a vote has no more made men wise and free than Christianity has made them good.”

“I confess I enjoy democracy immensely. It is incomparably idiotic, and hence incomparably amusing.”

173815 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Rowan, 2, #284 of 1814 🔗

Couldn’t agree more. Our political leaders merely reflect the shocking state of our society and culture back at us. No wonder so many are following every order, however ridiculous.

174304 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Rowan, #285 of 1814 🔗

Democracy isn’t so much about choosing your leaders, it’s about being able to get rid of them. Unfortunately we look to be in for a long wait and little prospect of any better ones.

173798 John P, replying to John P, 48, #286 of 1814 🔗

I’d just like to announce that I am in a bad way today. I’ve been hit with a triple whammy!

I have an asymptomatic stomach ache, an asymptomatic headache (quite severe) and to top that off I also have a really nasty case of asymptomatic diarrhoea.

So I feel absolutely fine, but I’ve heard that these asymptomatic conditions can be really serious, so I’m going to self isolate for a few days.

Wish me luck everyone!

173805 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to John P, 28, #287 of 1814 🔗

I am currently suffering from Long Water. It is as yet unproven but every medical condition known to man can be linked to people having an affirmative test for drinking water at some stage in their life. I think more research needs to be done into this important aspect of water drinking and is all too often ignored or laughed off. People need to take this seriously.

100% of people that drink water die and that’s a fact.

174010 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Nobody2020, 2, #288 of 1814 🔗

Impeccable logic.

173806 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to John P, 3, #289 of 1814 🔗

That’ll be the ale, JP.

174009 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to JohnB, #290 of 1814 🔗

I don’t drink.

174042 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to John P, #291 of 1814 🔗

Might as well then, as you’ve got all the hangover symptoms anyway …

174068 ▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to JohnB, #292 of 1814 🔗

You did read my post didn’t you, JohnB?

174109 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to John P, 2, #293 of 1814 🔗

Sorry JP, my subconscious currently automatically ignores ‘asymptomatic’ as meaningless. 🙂

174062 ▶▶▶▶ DomW, replying to John P, 6, #294 of 1814 🔗

Just because you don’t drink, it doesn’t mean that drink didn’t cause your symptoms

We just don’t know enough yet about when and how drink can affect people but we’ve nevertheless created a vaccine which might offer some protection against some of the effects of drink and you should take it immediately!

174066 ▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to DomW, 1, #295 of 1814 🔗

I apologise Dom. Of course, you are correct in your analysis.

174145 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to DomW, 2, #296 of 1814 🔗

You might have walked past an unmuzzled stranger who tested positive for ale-drinking!

174205 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ DomW, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #297 of 1814 🔗

Exactly. There have been reported cases of non-drinkers experiencing drinking symptoms asymptomatically following encounters with drinkers so you can’t rule anything out !

173813 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to John P, 7, #298 of 1814 🔗

I’m afraid to tell you but these symptoms could persist for many years, at least until you get a vaccine.

173803 Richard O, replying to Richard O, 13, #299 of 1814 🔗

Whenever we encounter muppets who believe in the government, let us send this resounding message:

All your sacrifices have been for absolutely nothing except to guarantee your lifelong impoverishment and enslavement, for which you will be paying for the rest of your miserable life.

173811 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Richard O, 6, #300 of 1814 🔗

I resent that they aren’t just doing it to themselves – we are being dragged down with them

173822 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Richard O, 16, #301 of 1814 🔗

I get a lot of lemon-sucking expressions when, after someone has handed me their T&T post-it and announce proudly “I’ve filled in my details for you”, and I respond “I don’t want it, you’re handing over your personal information to this useless government” It staggers me that they look at me as though I am the crazy one!

173833 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to kh1485, 4, #302 of 1814 🔗

There’s none so blind as those who don’t want to see.

173853 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to kh1485, 4, #303 of 1814 🔗

Jeremy Vine trailer just mentioned story coming up of woman who gave T&T details on bus (??) and then got creepy texts from an ‘admirer’. More fool her.

173858 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sam Vimes, 9, #304 of 1814 🔗

Well, I’m staggered it’s taken so long to get my first ‘Boris Johnson’ (tel no. 007007007!). Though, have to say, overall compliance is on the wane, thankfully.

174903 ▶▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to Sam Vimes, #305 of 1814 🔗

i got a text from something claiming to be test and trace, they got my number fomr my GP via the NHS on the orders of Wancock. Everyone has rececived them if they have a phone number with their GP. Write to your gp if you got one and ask why, and who has the th hone number, their data controller is responsible

174148 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Richard O, #306 of 1814 🔗

And you children and grandchildren will inherit your debt.
Sins of the fathers …..

173804 Under The Bridge, replying to Under The Bridge, 17, #307 of 1814 🔗

“Tierney concludes:”

The lockdowns may have been justified in the spring, when so little was known about the virus and the ways to contain it.

I’m very tired of this take, as it excuses the lack of due diligence employed by the authorities andthe more attention seeking of the scientific establishment. Extreme measures require looking at the level-headed voices, not just the scare mongering voices. Just the most casual interest was all that this casual, armchair observer needed while drinking his morning coffee to find John Ioannidis’ professional analysis that was based on real-world data that was available to all of our experts in mid-March:

“The one situation where an entire, closed population was tested was the Diamond Princess cruise ship and its quarantine passengers. The case fatality rate there was 1.0%, but this was a largely elderly population, in which the death rate from Covid-19 is much higher.

“Projecting the Diamond Princess mortality rate onto the age structure of the U.S. population, the death rate among people infected with Covid-19 would be 0.125%.”

And what are we finding all these months later? Using the WHO’s own data, the death rate is 0.13%.

So please spare us the “we didn’t know” excuse. Part of due diligence should also have involved checking the past patterns of predictions from our undeservedly esteemed “experts” that were catastrophically wrong.

173828 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Under The Bridge, 3, #308 of 1814 🔗

The only argument I can ever think of for the lockdown is that it might buy time for developing effective treatment e.g. the realisation that ventilators were harming not helping. However that assumes that lockdowns actually work which absolutely has not been proven. We also already had a well thought out disaster plan in place for this scenario that didn’t require a lockdown. That plan was there so that we wouldn’t have to panic and do the wrong things. What happened? They panicked and ignored the plan. So the exact scenario for which the plan was created for was the time when they decided to ignore it. Brilliant.

173855 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Achilles, 4, #309 of 1814 🔗

Yes – I well remember the beginning of all this, and, within the framework of (in hindsight propagandised) information then available, a degree of short-term suppression of a peak was not irrational. In fact, the initial debate about it was quite rational and evidence-based.

Of course – the rest is history, and nothing justifies the situation that we are now in where, in my perception, the measures taken are now repression for the sake of repression – and nothing to do with health or an evidence base.

173951 ▶▶▶▶ Sally, replying to RickH, 6, #310 of 1814 🔗

It was never about short-term suppression. Once started, it was in for the long haul. Ferguson made that quite clear in his March report and various presentations. Anyone who thought it was going to be short and sharp was believing what they wanted to believe.

174059 ▶▶▶ Caramel, replying to Achilles, 3, #311 of 1814 🔗

From SARS papers back then they showed that Non Invasive Ventilation was better than intubating patients.

It’s not the public’s responsibility to wait for doctors to figure out treatments.

174153 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Achilles, 1, #312 of 1814 🔗

Pro-lockdown arguments might hold water for the first week or so but the fact that 6 months on they are being prolonged is more than a tad suspicious.

174092 ▶▶ Caramel, replying to Under The Bridge, 3, #313 of 1814 🔗

Same. There was enough information back in February and March and also historical information. We knew the age demographics, that obesity was a big factor, that it was likely seasonal, that the vast majority were asymptomatic or had mild symptoms, and that it was more widespread. We knew that models didn’t represent reality and that numbers were already higher at the start and then serological testing proved the true IFR. We even knew that the China strategy created problems which caused more deaths in Italy. It’s not the first coronavirus and it shared strong similarities with the flu.

What exactly did people not know back in March?

174150 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Caramel, #314 of 1814 🔗

Very lucrative though!

174503 ▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Under The Bridge, #315 of 1814 🔗

Absolutely. Top comment!!

175139 ▶▶ djaustin, replying to Under The Bridge, #316 of 1814 🔗

Well as of Week 39, an additional 66,000 people have died in England and Wales compared with the previous 10-years (which includes at least one serious influenza epidemic). The population is 60M, so a simple estimate if everyone has been infected might be 0.11%. Of course not everyone has been infected, but not everyone of those 66k deaths were due to COVID. The proportions of each are up for debate. If half have of the population have had the infection (unlikely) and only 45k died OF covid – i.e. every single COVID19 death was identified, the rate is 0.14%. The Diamond Princess mortality is based on on-board lockdown quarantine measures. Most likely perhaps 10-20% have had the infection implying that we can be reasonably certain that the mortality rate is <1%. If I had to pin the number on the death rate, I’d go with 20% infected and 50k COVID19 deaths for a death rate of 0.4%.

175747 ▶▶▶ Under The Bridge, replying to djaustin, #317 of 1814 🔗

All deference to your presumable highly esteemed expertise aside, I’ll stand with the professor who teaches medicine, epidemiology, public health, and statistics to use those areas of expertise in his methodology.

175910 ▶▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to Under The Bridge, #318 of 1814 🔗

Thanks – I do that too 😉

173809 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 16, #319 of 1814 🔗

The lockdown argument continues as those protecting their ‘scientific’ positions hunker down like flat earthers against the onslaught of evidence based science and reality. Eventually it may take the PCR test being debunked in court (with more damning evidence in todays LS) by the class action lawyers – but this will not undo the catastrophic harm done by those that claim to be public health experts.

But something abhorrent is being done for political reasons. The WHO have u-turned on masks under political pressure and based on threadbare ‘evidence’.

The report by Dr. Margarite Griesz-Brisson MD, PhD is a Consultant Neurologist and Neurophysiologist with a PhD in Pharmacology, with special interest in neurotoxicology, environmental medicine, neuroregeneration and neuroplasticity should make any parent sick to the stomach and scared! – extract;

To deprive a child’s or an adolescent’s brain from oxygen, or to restrict it in any way, is not only dangerous to their health, it is absolutely criminal. Oxygen deficiency inhibits the development of the brain, and the damage that has taken place as a result CANNOT be reversed .

The child needs the brain to learn, and the brain needs oxygen to function. We don’t need a clinical study for that. This is simple, indisputable physiology. Conscious and purposely induced oxygen deficiency is an absolutely deliberate health hazard, and an absolute medical contraindication.

An absolute medical contraindication in medicine means that this drug, this therapy, this method or measure should not be used – is not allowed to be used. To coerce an entire population to use an absolute medical contraindication by force, there must be definite and serious reasons for this, and the reasons must be presented to competent interdisciplinary and independent bodies to be verified and authorised.

I suggest parents write to their schools teachers, local authorities, MPs, etc telling that you will hold them personally responsible for any harm there actions cause to your children.

full report…

https://thewallwillfall.org/2020/10/05/covid-19-masks-are-a-crime-against-humanity-and-child-abuse/

173916 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Major Panic, 2, #320 of 1814 🔗

Great post

173812 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 2, #321 of 1814 🔗

Visit Pratt Handcock`s twitter feed at anytime to realize that the tide is or has already turned. Lt Gruber indeed.

173840 ▶▶ Thinkaboutit, replying to nickbowes, 2, #322 of 1814 🔗

Someone should send him that hilarious “Downfall” parody posted in these comments.

173979 ▶▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to Thinkaboutit, 1, #323 of 1814 🔗

We need to replace the downfall meme with a video of Matt Hancock taking questions in parliament.

“I won’t have it! I wont!”

173816 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 18, #324 of 1814 🔗

A large part of me now is wanting a further nationwide lockdown. Seems a lot of thick cunts still think they work and have to learn the hard way.

173823 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #325 of 1814 🔗

Well said, if somewhat vulgar.

173835 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #326 of 1814 🔗

Accepted. Apologies. ‘Thick feckers’ would’ve sufficed.

173845 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #327 of 1814 🔗

There’s an old “political incorrect joke” concerning the body part you mentioned along the lines ” no, they’re not ××××× because they are useful.

173882 ▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #328 of 1814 🔗

Cunt ( cuente ) was courtly language in Chaucer’s day.

173896 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to William Gruff, 1, #329 of 1814 🔗

Yes, and if it’s good enough for Chaucer, it’s too good for those $&€@*%£÷×’S

173852 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #330 of 1814 🔗

I know what you mean. Things are totally broken now. Utterly unbearable. We need another lockdown. Just like in March. This might wake up the sheeple. It’s not unpleasant enough.

173871 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Two-Six, 6, #331 of 1814 🔗

Broken for sure. I don’t know if those who have somehow been untouched so far and still fail to recognise that the pain is on its way for all of us would be troubled by full lockdown, though. Covid is their faith and they can be driven to embrace any amount of self-harm (and harm to others) in sacrifice to their false idols.

173873 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #332 of 1814 🔗

yes. sadly. It’s crazy. Branch Covidians.

174216 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Two-Six, 1, #333 of 1814 🔗

Do you really think it will affect them? They’re probably already safely tucked up at home with a comfortable income, food delivery and, like my “friend”, insisting that facetime is just the same as face-to-face.

174852 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cheezilla, #334 of 1814 🔗

I think your right, people are loving this, well some are. Never had it so good.

173818 HelenaHancart, replying to HelenaHancart, 10, #335 of 1814 🔗

“Such one-sided support for the pro-lockdown, wait-for-the-vaccine status quo seems unlikely to restore public confidence in science, particularly when you look at who the most generous sponsors of the Centre are: AstraZeneca, Merck Sharp & Dohme (MSD) Limited, Sanofi and GlaxoSmithKline.” Aren’t these all part of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation GAVI cartel? You don’t have to scratch very hard to know that it smells!

173839 ▶▶ RickH, replying to HelenaHancart, 11, #336 of 1814 🔗

For me, the even greater smell comes from three things :

  1. The incredible hand-over of money to the pharmaceutical industry by government, on the basis of a promise and a fart
  2. The absolution of that industry from responsibility for their product
  3. The weakening of the regulatory framework

I’d want a hazmat suit to touch any product emerging from that little lot.

173884 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to HelenaHancart, 4, #337 of 1814 🔗

Closely linked to the Blair Foundation, The Blairites who are currently ruining this country

173820 Under The Bridge, replying to Under The Bridge, 8, #338 of 1814 🔗

The other obvious explanation for the increase in number of ‘cases’ is that far more people are being tested – 280,000 per day now compared to 10,000 at the peak in March.”

I suspect that there’s another factor at play in the number of positive “cases”: Now that students are back at universities, you can see the test centers where students are lining up for mandatory testing. What happens if they test positive? They have to be quarantined, and in situations that I’m familiar with, they have to test negative two times in a row to be considered clear. So people who’ve already tested positive will test positive again and again until the finally test negative. I personally know of three young people who’re are each represented as multiple positive cases.

173847 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Under The Bridge, 2, #339 of 1814 🔗

Can you get this information to CEBM somehow? Suspect it is not an isolated situation – likely happening across all the major universities with ‘outbreaks’.

173907 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #340 of 1814 🔗

CEBM have been onto all the anomalies of PCR testing.

173938 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to RickH, #341 of 1814 🔗

Not sure about the double/triple/quadruple counting of this specific dataset (students) though?

173943 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #342 of 1814 🔗

You may be right on that particular – but they have been onto double-counting in general.

173975 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to RickH, #343 of 1814 🔗

Yes, agree – they picked up the Pillar 1 and Pillar 2 double counting – if you are picked up in the community but then have to go to hospital, you likely end up in both datasets. Not sure if some/all of that was rectified in the rebasing of positive ‘cases’ at the start of July, and whether it has slipped back into the system? There is also the issue of testing positive, then negative a few days later (first one likely a false positive), the positive stays in the system. But I think what is happening now is different, and of course, deliberate.

174081 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #344 of 1814 🔗

That’s all very well, but the PCR test is not fit for the purpose to which it is now being used.

It detects viral genetic material. In this case, viral RNA, (as SARS-CoV-2, like all coronaviruses, is a (+)sense RNA virus).

The test does not detect live virus. This has been demonstrated experimentally. (See yesterdays main LDS post by Toby).

A positive test by PCR in and of itself means next to nothing.

173824 JYC, replying to JYC, 3, #345 of 1814 🔗

Are there any protests planned in Scotalnd this weekend?

173830 ▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to JYC, 15, #346 of 1814 🔗

Never mind protests, there should be civil unrest at this utter shit. But…. I can but dream.

173876 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to AnotherSceptic, 3, #347 of 1814 🔗

Trouble is,there’s millions who are perfectly happy with the present situation (God knows why)

173903 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to AnotherSceptic, 1, #348 of 1814 🔗

That’d be a win/win though. Civil unrest = martial law and army on the streets. All for our safety of course.

173967 ▶▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to leggy, 5, #349 of 1814 🔗

I get what you are saying, but see it this way, people went beserk over an American man who got shot by the police, a very unpleasant man also.
Yet, as we all know, our very fabric of life is being ripped apart every day, our freedoms and liberties, people dying of serious illness such as cancer etc, the NHS & Dr’s are a joke now, millions of jobs are being lost because of the state of the economy now & the draconian “local lockdown” measures, plus lots of other things that are a direct result of this utter fear mongering pushed by the government.

&…..Nobody has batted an eyelid at it all???? I am losing the will to live each day. I normally don’t agree with civil unrest, but something has to give here.

Yet, I don’t see anything happening about this.
Sorry for going on, but it’s wearing extremely thin now.

173843 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to JYC, 1, #350 of 1814 🔗

No. Asda and Tesco are doing BOGOF’s on Bucky and Blue Cider!

173966 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to JYC, #351 of 1814 🔗

Thought I saw something at Holyrood on Saturday ?

173841 PompeyJunglist, replying to PompeyJunglist, 21, #352 of 1814 🔗

The Government seems to have a two pronged policy regarding the NHS and Covid treatment.

1. Keep as many people away from hospitals as possible, because they may be needed for Covid. To hell with the fatalities, people dying at home in unprecedented numbers, baked in deaths from shelved diagnoses and treatments of critical illnesses and so forth. Just keep people out of hospital if at all possible.

2. Lock down Society, destroy livelihoods and kill more people in the hope that nobody ever has to go to hospital with Covid.

Not the most sensible or ethical policy is it? Not if you still cleave to the idea that the NHS is meant to protect you rather than the other way round.

Far from being a service that we pay for and expect help from in return, the NHS is now a deity on whose altar our most needy are being sacrificed.

173921 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to PompeyJunglist, 10, #353 of 1814 🔗

The sad thing is you still get people who will worship on the altar of the NHS even with the mess unfolding before their very eyes.

The NHS has turned into the No Health Service. What will it take for the asleep to wake up?

173854 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 18, #354 of 1814 🔗

The “it’s too hard to protect the vulnerable” argument is such a transparent excuse. If we invested even a tiny fraction of the resources sunk into furlough, bounceback loans, mass testing, surveillance etc. into protection for those who really want it then we would surely find a way.

173883 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to mattghg, 7, #355 of 1814 🔗

Perhaps they mean it is too hard to ‘protect’ people against their will. As it should be.

174018 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #356 of 1814 🔗

Well “it’s too hard to protect the vulnerable” is Boris’ argument against the Barrington Declaration.

I do wish that the over seventies would stop presuming that they are automatically being classified here as “vulnerable”.

That’s the government’s game.

This refers to people like those suffering from dementia in care homes. The vulnerable are those incapable of looking after themselves.

174032 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to John P, 1, #357 of 1814 🔗

Perhaps, to modify my argument, it could also refer to persons of any age who are suffering from serious illness.

174766 ▶▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to John P, #358 of 1814 🔗

I don’t think they all do. My in-laws certainly don’t and one of them has type-2 diabetes whilst the other has had a kidney transplant.

173860 Espedair, 13, #359 of 1814 🔗

Historians, sociologists and political scientists of foresight will be looking at this as one of the greatest ‘teachable moments’ of recent history. It outstrips even post 9/11 excessive security theatre as an example of how entire populations can be manipulated into obedience through the application of hysteria and the development of an infrastructure to support it. Some are drawing parallels with religion in that, for many, adherence to the rituals of social distancing, staying home or avoiding certain categories of businesses, mask wearing etc is immune to any objections as to the scientific justification for any of it amongst most people in most situations. Failure to comply or even the slightest expression of dissent results in the heretic being cast out into the wilderness (at least it would be a holiday somewhere, anywhere!). It certainly appears to be gaining the kind of traction that other state-endorsed fundamentalist religions have and, living as I do in Scotland, I can’t help but think John Knox has been reincarnated in the person of Nicola ‘Grim Govan Gauleiter’ Sturgeon. Others say, well in our societies we can always reject religions so isn’t it more akin to being voluntarily trapped in a cult compound like Jonestown or Waco? ‘Branch Covidians’ was the term wittily applied to those caught up in this ‘OhMaGAAD! We’re all gonna DIE!!!’ state-manufactured hysteria. They certainly appear not to have just drank the Kool Aid but had a high colonic enema with it. Yowzah!

Remember folks, stay scared, stay compliant. Nicola’s and Boris’s careers depend upon it.

173862 p02099003, 10, #360 of 1814 🔗

Land of hapless tory
no longer free
how can we extol thee
who are born of thee?

Tighter still and tighter
shall our bounds be tied
unable to wander
at home we must stay

173864 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 10, #361 of 1814 🔗

A friend split with her partner last year and moved back in with her parents with her 4 kids – a bit of a squeeze! She is an ambulance technician an so is likely to come across the virus, and her father has some quite serious medical conditions.

Yet they all live in the same house and are all just fine – just goes to show that shielding the vulnerable is possible even in difficult circumstances – just involves sensible thinking and precautions – and a desire for it to succeed which the pro-lockdown scientists do not appear to have

173894 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Major Panic, 8, #362 of 1814 🔗

… or that the incidence of the virus is so low, that it’s a minor threat that can be easily dealt with.

173970 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to RickH, 2, #363 of 1814 🔗

yes, and I didn’t point out the obvious – the pro-lockdown scientists’ criticism of the Barrington Declaration is defeatist bollocks

173895 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Major Panic, 9, #364 of 1814 🔗

Or shows covid is a complete joke and no greater risk than flu which old folk can fight off aswell.

174023 ▶▶ John P, replying to Major Panic, #365 of 1814 🔗

.

OK.

173878 Polemon2, replying to Polemon2, 17, #366 of 1814 🔗

Well, what a surprise. We need to save the NHS again. They are about to be overwhelmed by the second wave and winter is coming.
Shame the overall admission data doesn’t support the cries of doom.

173914 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Polemon2, 4, #367 of 1814 🔗

Its yet again appealing to the new State Religion. It remains to be seen whether enough people will be fooled by it.

173947 ▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to Polemon2, 5, #368 of 1814 🔗

And the NHS is short staffed, partly because successive governments have relied on staff from abroad for years, instead of paying to train our own, and they have gone home, and partly because BLM-influenced unions have insisted on possibly excessive protocols to protect staff. Add to that the requirement to keep ‘infected’ patients separate from the rest and capacity is greatly reduced and a lockdown-created backlog of cancer and other serious illnesses to deal with.
The epidemic is over. The stats are being fiddled, with the use of the useless tests, to Save The NHS.

173953 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Caroline Watson, #369 of 1814 🔗

Do stop banging on about the BLM stuff, which is a side-issue.

I’ll happily join you in criticizing the basis of that movement. But not here.

173879 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #370 of 1814 🔗

The DM still ramps up the Fear Factor, Christmas is cancelled, etc etc. MSM determined to push the agenda

173913 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #371 of 1814 🔗

If more people become fearful that whatever gives them joy in life (Christmas not my thing, but each to their own) will be taken away in the long-term it can only be a good thing. But if they misattribute the reason for that then we will be no further forward.

173880 Julian, replying to Julian, 7, #372 of 1814 🔗

Professor John Edmunds, a member of Sage, said local measures had failed and more stringent lockdown restrictions were required. “These local restrictions that have been put in place in much of the north of England really haven’t been very effective,” he told BBC’s Newsnight. “We need to take much more stringent measures, not just in the north of England, we need to do it countrywide, and bring the epidemic back under control.”
He added that the Government’s “light touch” measures were “delaying the inevitable”. “We will at some point put very stringent measures in place because we will have to when hospitals start to really fill up,” he said. “Frankly, the better strategy is to put them in place now,” he said. …

I don’t think I can bring myself to try and find the interview and watch it, but am curious to know if the interviewer asked him what would happen when the stringent measures were lifted, as they were after the first “full” lockdown, and whether there was any reason to suppose the same thing would not happen this time round. How do they get away with such obvious illogical drivel?

173897 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Julian, 7, #373 of 1814 🔗

Better strategy – lock him down now, and permanently!

173899 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 4, #374 of 1814 🔗

One thing is for sure : unless they pass a sanity test to check their connection with reality and evidence, epidemiologists and public health academics should be the only members of society to be kept in isolation.

Perhaps we should invite the neutral Man from Mars to do an audit of such ‘scientists’ to check how often they have been wrong – as a basic test of competence.

173908 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Julian, 8, #375 of 1814 🔗

Giving these people control of social policy is like giving Mary Whitehouse control of TV content. It’s an ultra safeist single issue approach that has no connection with how normal people live or how normal people think.

173940 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Achilles, 4, #376 of 1814 🔗

His single issue approach doesn’t even work on its own terms, if you follow his logic – you don’t even need to look at evidence.

173925 ▶▶ Nic, replying to Julian, 5, #377 of 1814 🔗

Edmunds is a cunt! Period

173996 ▶▶ John P, replying to Julian, 3, #378 of 1814 🔗

What is this charlatan a “professor” of Julian?

Perhaps his thesis was “The Spread and Propagation of Bullshit in Gullible Human Populations”

174007 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Julian, 2, #379 of 1814 🔗

To be honest, how much stringent can you get? Lock everyone in their house and let them starve? Unless the people producing, picking and delivering food are all in hazmat suits?

174144 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Julian, 1, #380 of 1814 🔗

I’m thinking of starting. government petition saying that all MPs and all members of SAGE should have to work one day a week as a Covid Womble.

173890 paulito, replying to paulito, 71, #381 of 1814 🔗

Great news from Spain. The High Court has ruled that the Madrid house arrest is unconstitutional and infringes citizens’ fundamental rights. Hope that this sets a precedent in fighting further draconian measures.

173911 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to paulito, 7, #382 of 1814 🔗

Great news!!!

173965 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to paulito, 2, #383 of 1814 🔗

But the response of gov seems dangerous, hints of further actions!

https://twitter.com/europapress/status/1314147159458095105

Rumours of a new “estado alarma” 15th Oct which was used in the first national lockdown but unsure whether gov has majority for this measure

173994 ▶▶▶ paulito, replying to swedenborg, #384 of 1814 🔗

Not sure if they have. Although I have no faith in any of the opposition parties, this decision has placed another obstacle in their way The last one during the summer just squeaked through. The government are also having problems on other fronts. Deputy prime Minister Pablo Iglesias of the far left Podemos party is facing charges on 3 different counts in the Supreme Court. The whole thing hinges on the theft of a mobile phone belonging to an ex advisor to Iglesias. He claimed it was stolen by people from the “sewers of the state” to discredit him and the party. It has since been revealed that he had been in possession of the phone’s card and returned it destroyed. Unsurprisingly there have been calls, either for his resignation, or his removal by the Prime Minister. There’s also a vote of no confidence in the government in the offing. So, interesting times ahead.

175102 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to swedenborg, #385 of 1814 🔗

They have the majority. The Madrid government is run by the opposition party and they’ve requested the lockdown. So it’s a done deal.

175198 ▶▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to stewart, #386 of 1814 🔗

The Madrid local gov made a mini lockdown of some districts.The central gov did this for the whole city.This has now been found to be illegal.The only option is the emergency power law “estado alerta which the gov used for the whole country in March.But to do that again, now for Madrid only, requires majority in the Cortes which they have problems with as separatist parties might not agree this time.This is pure politics now.And today reduction of cases,hospitalizations and ICU use!

175101 ▶▶ stewart, replying to paulito, #387 of 1814 🔗

Not really good news.

The central government has offered to pass a state of emergency law for Madrid which will pass. The Madrid government, which has tried to impose the lockdown, is run by the main opposition party. Between the government and the main opposition they have the super-majority required to pass the state of alarm law.

In fact, it will only serve to continue to project to the population the awesome power of the state.

173898 leggy, replying to leggy, 8, #388 of 1814 🔗

Worth a watch if you haven’t seen it – Kary Mullis, PCR inventor discussing their use for viral diagnosis – the main bit is at around 48:35.

https://youtu.be/WF37L_z0vwM?t=2911

173917 ▶▶ RickH, replying to leggy, 4, #389 of 1814 🔗

A fascinating clip, that puts the tin lid on the false interpretation of PCR results that has now taken over the role of policy determination.

… and known for over 20 years.

173923 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to RickH, 3, #390 of 1814 🔗

And just emphasize – this is a MUST WATCH – straight from the horse’s mouth if anybody witters on about ‘cases’ derived from such tests.

173971 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to RickH, 2, #391 of 1814 🔗

Some important quotes from the video:

I don’t think you can misuse PCR. [It is] the results; the interpretation of it. If they can find this virus in you at all – and with PCR, if you do it well, you can find almost anything in anybody.

It starts making you believe in the sort of Buddhist notion that everything is contained in everything else. If you can amplify one single molecule up to something you can really measure, which PCR can do, then there is just very few molecules that you don’t have at least one single one of in your body

That could be thought of as a misuse: to claim that it [a PCR test] is meaningful. It tells you something about nature and what is there. To test for that one thing and say it has a special meaning is, I think, the problem. The measurement for it is not exact; it is not as good as the measurement for apples. The tests are based on things that are invisible and the results are inferred in a sense. It allows you to take a miniscule amount of anything and make it measureable and then talk about it.

PCR is just a process that allows you to make a whole lot of something out of something. It doesn’t tell you that you are sick, or that the thing that you ended up with was going to hurt you or anything like that.

173991 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to leggy, #392 of 1814 🔗

I’ve watched the video before (originally relating to AIDS/HIV) and I think he’s being a little semantic on the misuse point. I understand what he’s saying, but the PCR test is being employed to achieve something it is not fit for.

Although that’s me being pedantic, it’s definitely worth a watch. The AIDS/HIV stuff is also fascinating as Faucci casts a long shadow over that, too.

174373 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to leggy, #393 of 1814 🔗

Can you send to Toby to finally pick up these KM videos in the daily updates? I have sent them before but no response.

173934 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to arfurmo, 6, #395 of 1814 🔗

Even if those polls are correct, public opinion is now useless on this issue. People are basing their opinions on misleading information they have been given by the government.

It’s time for the grown ups to return to the room, but I don’t know where they’ve gone.

173946 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 2, #396 of 1814 🔗

Obviously we’re thinking along the same lines, LL. We know who the grownups are but the stroppy teenagers have barricaded themselves in and will not give up the power that they lack the maturity or insight to wield responsibly.

173962 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #397 of 1814 🔗

Very true! It’s a sad state of affairs. The teenagers will eventually snap out of their strop when they run out of pocket money.

173937 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to arfurmo, 7, #398 of 1814 🔗

No trust in polls but I do think much or the population has been happily infantilised over the years. They are determined to believe that the Govt and their sinister sidekicks are the only grownups in the room and have no wish to take responsibility for themselves or strain their under-used brains. It is desperate

173944 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to arfurmo, 2, #399 of 1814 🔗

Fine – let the 2/3rds lockdown through choice and the rest of us can crack on – certainly make the roads less busy

173972 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to arfurmo, 1, #400 of 1814 🔗

It depends on how the questions have been asked. Was there any alternative given? If not then the question is effectively asking people if they would support an action vs doing nothing.

173920 Jay Berger, replying to Jay Berger, 1, #402 of 1814 🔗

One further point: if herd immunity isn’t achievable because antibodies fade, leaving those who have them vulnerable over time, then that also rules out an effective vaccine.

Correct.
Snd Tegnell stated that in March already.
It’s my only criticism about Gupta and the GBD, I am more in the camp of Gatti&Montari and RKjrs CHD here: herd immunity is a theoretical concept without any basis in real medical evidence.
It’s probably been invented by computer modelers, aka epidimiologists, on behalf of the vaccine industry, as only it creates the case for vaccinating people at no/low risk, against sny pathogen or disease.
Sweden is actually a good example for it being bogus: there is no significant rise in cases in lowly infected Skane, nor in highly infected Stockholm currently.

That might be why Tegnell alwsys drnied thst he was pursuing it: hr knows it diedn’z exist.

173927 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Jay Berger, 1, #403 of 1814 🔗

No – it’s real enough, whatever the precise mechanism.

173939 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Jay Berger, 1, #404 of 1814 🔗

Not strictly correct.There has been an increase of cases in Sweden especially Stockholm and a slight increase in hospitalization and ICU use. Sweden has SD and might not yet reached herd immunity.The problem is less than in Europe and mainly in sportsteam,University students and younger.

173956 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to swedenborg, #405 of 1814 🔗

Has to be herd immunity or virulence reduction or some combination of both.
There is no other explanation for the peak of deaths at just 8 weeks in (before masks and lockdowns) seen all over Europe.

173963 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to swedenborg, #406 of 1814 🔗

And those three sections of society are not a problem when it comes to SARS-COV-2.

173948 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Jay Berger, 2, #407 of 1814 🔗

herd immunity is a theoretical concept without any basis in real medical evidence.It’s probably been invented by computer modelers, aka epidimiologists, on behalf of the vaccine industry, as only it creates the case for vaccinating people at no/low risk, against sny pathogen or disease .”

No, herd immunity is a concept based on sound empirical observations that goes back to early C20th studies of infectious diseases, and it isn’t really open to question – it’s just an inherent feature of how diseases and disease responses work.

It works differently with vaccines, you need a higher prevalence of vaccination to achieve it than you do of naturally spreading disease because the latter inherently targets the ones more likely to spread it

173969 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Jay Berger, 2, #408 of 1814 🔗

I think there is some mixing up of the book definition of Herd Immunity whereby a virus is effectively eradicated and the herd immunity threshold whereby a combination of NPI and immunity is enough to bring the spread of a virus under control.

Any immunity is useful. To deny immunity is to remove one of the most useful tools available to us in controlling this virus.

173984 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #409 of 1814 🔗

Not sure what you mean by “book definition,”, but the term was coined precisely to describe the phenomenon in natural disease spread in animals, long before it was used in the context of vaccination.

173993 ▶▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Mark, #410 of 1814 🔗

There are some arguing that there is only one definition of herd immunity and that is the end point whereby a virus is effectively eradicated.

Thus they argue that it is unachievable because it’s never been done before naturally and for some reason disregard immunity altogether.

However it’s not a binary choice as they like to make out.

173999 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Nobody2020, #411 of 1814 🔗

They are just wrong. That is not what herd immunity means.

It might be a new meaning derived from when the original term was co-opted into vaccination campaigns, but it’s not the original meaning, and therefore not the only one.

174012 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Mark, #412 of 1814 🔗

There are plenty of so called “experts” who regularly come out with the argument that it’s never been achieved for any other virus. Which means they believe there is only one definition.

Me pointing this out does not mean that I believe it.

173992 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Nobody2020, #413 of 1814 🔗

Any immunity is useful.

Now there’s an understatement.

You can’t deny immunity.

Unless your immune system is in some way compromised then you either are, or you are capable of becoming, immune from a variety of pathogens.

“Herd immunity” is not a strategy, it is the natural consequence of the presence of functioning immune responses in animal and plant species.

If you have no immune system you are dead. It is that simple.

175159 ▶▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to John P, -1, #414 of 1814 🔗

There is no effective herd immunity to the other four endemic coronaviruses. The typical period between repeat infections is about two years. Much shorter in young children. We are not even a halfway through an infectious cycle. Cornoavirus loss of immunity is due to waning antibodies. Influenza loss of immunity is due to antigenic shift. Any vaccine, most likely against spike protein is likely to be an annual event as per flu, nut for different reasons.

173922 James Bertram, replying to James Bertram, 10, #415 of 1814 🔗

Hurrah! My copy of ‘Corona False Alarm? Facts and Figures by Dr Karina Reiss and Dr Sucharit Bhakdi ‘ has just arrived.
Will read it avidly, then pass it on to someone influential in our community – Doctors, Priest, Councillors, or our useless MP.

173935 ▶▶ leggy, replying to James Bertram, 3, #416 of 1814 🔗

Received mine today too – took a little longer to arrive as avoided Amazon, but looking forward to getting stuck into it. It’ll also be passed on once digested.

173926 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 11, #417 of 1814 🔗

This is an interesting quote from “racial hygiene”.Many are not aware how often the nazis used the Public Health law both for infectious diseases and also racial segregation.Easy to understand the concerns in the conflict in New York between the orthodox jews and the Mayor of New York

https://twitter.com/ElonBachman/status/1314000742387253249/photo/1

173957 ▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, 4, #418 of 1814 🔗

It’s interesting that Jews were often characterized as ‘a virus’.

173930 Jay Berger, replying to Jay Berger, 4, #419 of 1814 🔗

Italy was indeed worth a non-dystopian trip.
Until yesterday, when they introduced mandatory muzzling outside.
Now, there’s only Sweden, Ticino and the German-speaking Swiss cantons ex Bern and ex Zuerich city left for such trips, although Switzerland is on the UK’s q-list.
Though those cantons are not on Germany’s, nor is Germany on the UK’s.
Got it…?!

174033 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Jay Berger, #420 of 1814 🔗

As someone posted here last week, Swiss lockdowns are devolved to the Cantons, some had strict, some relaxed. Same results. Says it all really.

173931 muzzle, replying to muzzle, 8, #421 of 1814 🔗

Are there any links to articles covering the new Imperial College research? I saw in the Telegraph live feed that new non-Ferguson research says that social interaction of young people actually reduces deaths (as we suspected). Would like to read/share but I’ve only seen it in the Telegraph so far. If this is the case, let’s unlock the students from their expensive campus prisons!

174052 ▶▶ Schrodinger, replying to muzzle, 2, #422 of 1814 🔗
173941 Jay Berger, replying to Jay Berger, 11, #423 of 1814 🔗

Everyone sceptical about the safety or effeciency of the rushed vaccines, should vote for DJT or hope that he gets reelected!
His endorsement of Regeneron and simultaneous smashing of the case for vaccines yesterday might be biased, but it’s much more correct and responsible and in all the peoples interest, than what the rest of the world’s leaders and ‘scientists’ peddles.

175168 ▶▶ djaustin, replying to Jay Berger, #424 of 1814 🔗

The RGN antibody dose is 2g per person. Moderna’s vaccine dose likely to be about 0.0001g per person – so you need to make a LOT more antibody to protect people than you do a vaccine. That’s because the vaccine bioreactor is a human immune system. There isn’t sufficient bioreactor capacity worldwide to make the antibodies, and woe to those taking other antibody therapies (like Humira for arthritis), because it’s a zero sum game. For MASS protection, vaccines (if they work) are likely to be the only game in town.

173952 chaos, replying to chaos, 13, #425 of 1814 🔗

What kind of cretin is Boris Johnson? He is just bluster isn’t he? An empty man.

173959 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to chaos, 3, #426 of 1814 🔗

well he’s certainly empty

173978 ▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to chaos, 6, #427 of 1814 🔗

To be empty you’ve first got to be full—–Johnson has never had any content, his entire political career has been a vacuous extension of his appearance on ‘Have I got news for you’.

173987 ▶▶ leggy, replying to chaos, 3, #428 of 1814 🔗

He obviously has no soul.

174004 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to leggy, 1, #429 of 1814 🔗

Jennifer Arcuri said he last texted her in December 2018 saying I need you, I miss you or something like that. Wasn’t he with Carrie then?

174015 ▶▶▶▶ IanE, replying to chaos, 1, #430 of 1814 🔗

Yep and just another Carrie-on since then.

174039 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to IanE, 1, #431 of 1814 🔗

Infamy, infamy …

174011 ▶▶ IanE, replying to chaos, #432 of 1814 🔗

‘What kind of cretin is Boris Johnson?’ He is Primus inter pares!

As someone here referred to him, de Piffle – les mots justes.

173960 chaos, replying to chaos, 8, #433 of 1814 🔗

Tanzania.. the president there was sceptical about the scamdemic and enlisted the army to test the ruse.. so they sent (amongst other things) swabs from a goat, a sheep, motor oil, and a paw paw fruit.. most came back positive.

173976 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to chaos, 3, #434 of 1814 🔗

President Magufuli has long been a friend and ally of us Skeptiks.

173985 ▶▶ leggy, replying to chaos, 2, #435 of 1814 🔗

I’ve posted it below already, but the PCR inventor explains here why these tests come back positive.

https://youtu.be/WF37L_z0vwM

173961 zenrin, replying to zenrin, 32, #436 of 1814 🔗

Yesterday’s SAGE meeting

173982 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to zenrin, 3, #437 of 1814 🔗

Brilliant!!

173968 Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 8, #438 of 1814 🔗

Well that’s it then. The war is won. Commemorative coins on sale here:

https://www.whitehousegiftshop.com/product-p/trump-defeats-covid.htm

173973 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Mr Dee, 5, #439 of 1814 🔗

Haha. He is a master troll, I love it.

173974 ▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Mr Dee, 3, #440 of 1814 🔗

I’m going to order one and wear it with pride alongside my ‘Covid–1984—not brainwashed’ badge 🙂

174050 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #441 of 1814 🔗

The best badge ever!

174056 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 1, #442 of 1814 🔗

I still have a fair few if anybody is interested? They will be sent out recorded with the appropriate postage on the package this time!
two-six@twang.co.uk if your interested.

173983 kh1485, 10, #444 of 1814 🔗

Going to echo Sarrigan’s (?) – formerly Offlands’, comment yesterday about car mechanics. Young lad just came round to look at my flat tyre: no swerving, no mask, just normal.

173988 Silke David, 2, #445 of 1814 🔗

To Helen and Jay Berger, I believe you both speak German, have you heard of the RPP Institute channel on YT/ Raphael Bonelli?
Very good video from Clemens Arvay on there today, mainly taking headlines apart.

173997 AidanR, replying to AidanR, 2, #446 of 1814 🔗

Very thoughtful video here from Dave Cullen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gkUJk4dvaM

Apologies if it’s a repost.

174008 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to AidanR, 2, #447 of 1814 🔗

The problem with Dave Cullen is he is a god freak. If we all just got down on our knees and accepted god into out lives, everything would be fine.

This makes him as bad as Covid zealots.

The unstated beliefs in his videos are that women are second class citizens.

174028 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ewan Duffy, 2, #448 of 1814 🔗

I’ve followed Dave Cullen for years but fail to recognize your description of him as a God freak or misogynist.

174096 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to karenovirus, 1, #449 of 1814 🔗

I’ve always found people’s intelligence and reasoning powers to be entirely uncorrelated to any belief in God.

He did go through a bit of a phase on the God thing. I’ll admit I rolled my eyes extensively.

However, it’s demonstrable that we are wired for faith, and it ought by now to be abundantly clear that, in the absence of religion, that faith instinct will tend to glom onto something else. It’ll always be something crazy and irrational. You could think of religion of having the necessary social purpose of channeling humanity’s irrational side.

In its absence we have everything from nihilism to global warming, NHS worship, obsessive fandom, the rehabilitation of communism etc. and of course the current wave of ‘Branch Covidians’.

As for him regarding women as second class citizens, is that what we’re now calling it when someone points out the observable differences between men and women, which the wokeys are determined to swear are a ‘social construct’?

174099 ▶▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to karenovirus, #450 of 1814 🔗

Can’t say I’ve ever picked up on that. Having said that I don’t agree that believing in God makes you a freak or a zealot either (and I’m not religious). Although Dave Cullen is a bit more on the conspiracy side than I am his videos are beautifully written, the epitome of clarity and summarise eloquently everything that has become of us.

174310 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to karenovirus, #451 of 1814 🔗

He made a video coming out as a Christian. It’s unbelievable that in this day and age people can believe such pish.

173998 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #452 of 1814 🔗

Its amazing how quickly they have dismantled and changed out of all recognition the country Johnson told us was ‘A Fantastic’ country and why all of the migrants are trying to get here.

174019 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Dan Clarke, 10, #453 of 1814 🔗

All the regulations appear to have been specifically designed to separate us from each other in every conceivable way. Isolated, faceless, distant, barriered, virtual.

Do this for long enough and the fabric of society has to collapse. It is inevitable.

174000 chaos, replying to chaos, -1, #454 of 1814 🔗

Jesus talkRadio’s hosts are dopey… especially Ian Collins.

174045 ▶▶ John P, replying to chaos, 7, #455 of 1814 🔗

Except for Mike Graham (sceptic), Julia Hartley-Brewer (sceptic), Mark Dolan (partly sceptic) … in fact even Ian Collins has lockdown sceptic views on.

I think you’ll find that Talk Radio is one of the better media channels out there.

174002 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 5, #456 of 1814 🔗

Apparently liberal Netherlands are caving in. I did not watch the full report on Bittel TV (YT/telegram), as too depressing.
There was a demonstration in front of parliament as they are deciding over emergency measures (they have had a big increase in + tests) and police arrested a lot of the leaders of several opposition groups.
As I said, do not know the details very well, as it was too depressing. Sorry.

174006 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Silke David, 3, #457 of 1814 🔗

And yet the optimists claim things are turning!

174035 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to IanE, 4, #458 of 1814 🔗

Well, the sensible optimists recognise that governments are doubling down ‘harder’, but that public opinion has shifted to anti-bollocks.

174535 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to JohnB, #459 of 1814 🔗

Opinion may have shifted, but actions have not shifted in that direction as the ever-increasing preponderance of muzzles shows.

Don’t bother with what people say, watch what they do.

I understand optimism as a beneficial psychological strategy, but it is delusional nevertheless.

174005 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #460 of 1814 🔗

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54463511

Disgusting presentation of “facts” by the BBC (no surprise). I note they don’t comment on the situation since August.

174013 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 3, #461 of 1814 🔗

You could spin that the other way and say old people who would have normally been killed by flu have died with covid too.

174014 Cheshirecatslave, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 2, #462 of 1814 🔗

What are the current flu and pneumonia figures in comparison to Covid? I’d imagine all respiratory infections were increasing as they tend to do in autumn.

174025 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 1, #463 of 1814 🔗
174034 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Sarigan, #464 of 1814 🔗

Interesting. Presumably that September “spike” of reported upper respiratory tract infections (colds?) must have been due to the schools reopening.

174029 ▶▶ John P, replying to Cheshirecatslave, #465 of 1814 🔗

Considerably higher than covid19.

174031 ▶▶ Gerry Mandarin, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 1, #466 of 1814 🔗

Bang on the seasonal average

174047 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 4, #467 of 1814 🔗

It seems obvious to me that flu and other deaths will be attributed to covid. They’ll even try it on with cancer deaths.

174060 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to chaos, 2, #468 of 1814 🔗

They haven’t been in August and September. They may have been initially.

Not everyone in the medical profession is bent, chaos!

174051 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 2, #469 of 1814 🔗

The basic problem is that the contribution of ‘Covid’ to mortality is unknown. All figures are guesswork – starting with the revision of death registration through to the current use of RNA fragments being used to define the presence of an illness.

From a scientific point of view, given the overweening significance attributed to this virus, its a total shambles. But, of course, this isn’t a health issue ultimately – it’s a control issue. So who gives a f.?

One of the indicative bits of evidence that Covid is overblown is the way in which the tracks of other infections and illnesses have varied in strange ways – suggesting that causation is loaded into the ‘Covid’ basket to a surreal degree as a means of justifying the panicdemic.

175272 ▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Cheshirecatslave, #470 of 1814 🔗

Thanks, everyone who replied.

174022 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 4, #471 of 1814 🔗

A little bit of humour amidst the darkness:

https://twitter.com/JaneyGodley/status/1313857961496924164

174040 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Sarigan, #472 of 1814 🔗

Love it! MW

174024 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 12, #473 of 1814 🔗

So Spain now going all out to “de-carbonize” their economy post-Covid. Sounds familiar ! build-back-better ! shout the dead eyed reptiles leading us back to the middle ages.

174036 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to nickbowes, 5, #474 of 1814 🔗

Another tripartite slogan for the zombies to regurgitate ad nauseam.

Give it a few years and this is the only way they will be to communicate with each other. In puerile, monosyllabic cult chants like this. They will probably have to clap with each word just to remind them to use their vocal cords. Let them degrade themselves into sub-human gimps. They do not deserve redemption.

174053 ▶▶▶ anon, replying to Richard O, 1, #475 of 1814 🔗

have you watched idiocracy?

174071 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to anon, #476 of 1814 🔗

Not yet, it has been highly recommended.

174075 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to Richard O, 1, #477 of 1814 🔗

It is excellent, but disturbingly close to reality.

174549 ▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Richard O, #478 of 1814 🔗

Open your curtains. There it is!

174077 ▶▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to anon, #479 of 1814 🔗

‘Brought to you by Carl’s Junior’

174041 ▶▶ chaos, replying to nickbowes, 5, #480 of 1814 🔗

I remember a Ted talk with Bill Gates where he introduced a formula that could be manipulated to lower carbon emissions as part of the man-made climate change ruse. Obviously that formula contained the variable for number of people and another for resources consumed per person.. but frighteningly just reducing the population lessens carbon emissions and resources consumed. After all, we breathe out CO2. It reminds me of a Twilight Zone type story I remember watching set in a dystopian future – the person has their air cut off when they don’t pay ‘the man ‘for air.

174152 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to nickbowes, #481 of 1814 🔗

They won’t have an economy without mass tourism

174545 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to nickbowes, #482 of 1814 🔗

Ya know, I think I’m going to dig out my old VHS tapes of V and watch that again. Remember it?

I don’t know if it will have aged well, but I have a feeling it will resonate.

175025 ▶▶▶ Dominic12, replying to AidanR, #483 of 1814 🔗

Forces TV, Freeview channel 96, shows it now and again. They have trailers for it at the moment (they show it in full & then the series afterwards) but I don’t know when it starts.

I particularly like early on where the visitors expose a claimed worldwide conspiracy of scientists. I never imagined there really would be a worldwide conspiracy of (some) scientists.

174898 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to nickbowes, 1, #484 of 1814 🔗

Spain with its economy already on its knees for years has now committed economic suicide – back to the Stone Age!!!!

174037 Awkward Git, 3, #485 of 1814 🔗

Answer bout the Insurance petition:

Sorry, we can’t accept your petition – “Insurance firms to be liable if their conditions are adhered to by a business.”

It’s about something that the UK Government or Parliament is not responsible for.

We can’t accept your petition because the UK Government and Parliament aren’t responsible for the issue you raise. It is a decision for people taking out insurance policies whether or not they want to agree to the contractual terms and conditions, including the detail of the policy. ”

Basically they say if you don;t like what terms the insurance are trying to force on you then refuse them and fight the insurance company.

174038 nocheesegromit, replying to nocheesegromit, #486 of 1814 🔗

AidanR and BeBopRockSteady – thanks for your comments on my poster, do you have any suggestions for what I could use in terms of rhetoric? Are any of the facts I’ve featured impactful enough, do you reckon?

174046 ▶▶ Schrodinger, replying to nocheesegromit, 2, #487 of 1814 🔗

Didn’t see your poster but here’s one I did a couple of weeks ago. PDF print ready

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OHHkWPL7ga3f3CWmPJhtDvAE1EElHUH-/view?usp=sharing

174084 ▶▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to Schrodinger, #488 of 1814 🔗

That’s very good, thank you – how did you create the fancy graphics? Did you use a specific program? (Very much a novice at this!)

174323 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to nocheesegromit, 1, #489 of 1814 🔗

Apparently it’s not something I have a talent for, given the reception my previous attempts at catchy rhetoric have had 🙂

174817 ▶▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to AidanR, #490 of 1814 🔗

No worries, I have something in mind anyway

174044 Eddy, replying to Eddy, 2, #491 of 1814 🔗

Forget facts and figures. This is war against the few. Fact and figures don’t win wars.

174101 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Eddy, #492 of 1814 🔗

Correct and unfortunately the few have assiduously engaged the many useful idiots.

174049 THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, #493 of 1814 🔗

WOW! A mention in the roundup! Thanks Tobes and gang!

Recording the next episode this weekend and will be out next week.

In the meantime, check out our 1984 SPECIAL!

https://therealnormalpodcast.buzzsprout.com/

174054 chaos, 3, #494 of 1814 🔗

Prince Charles and Prince William seem to be pushing the great reset.. it seems the Queen spared us from the spider memo manipulation for as long as she could.

174055 chaos, replying to chaos, 7, #495 of 1814 🔗

Ifr you’re aged 50 or so in this new abnormal economic carnage.. even if educated to degree standard or higher.. you don’t stand much of a chance do you?

174085 ▶▶ Jo, replying to chaos, 2, #496 of 1814 🔗

Or, like my neighbour’s son, 23, graduated from Oxford last year… no job, had to return home to parents. Now doing MA (more debt!) just for something to do

174087 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to chaos, 6, #497 of 1814 🔗

Perhaps not, but at least we have had something of a life to look back on.

174108 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to chaos, 3, #498 of 1814 🔗

Degrees don’t matter at all now they’ve been devalued to a level that would shame a cornflake packet, and yes this is particularly galling for those of us who have a proper one

174209 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #499 of 1814 🔗

Spot on NorthumbrianNomad.

DavidC

174057 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 11, #500 of 1814 🔗

As each day passes, the rules become more and more ridiculous. OH and I have just been for lunch at the local cafe, which we try to support each week.

We counted thirteen customers plus two toddlers in a room that is about the size of our lounge/dining room yet the government thinks it is dangerous for more than six people to be inside our house.

174064 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Margaret, 3, #501 of 1814 🔗

See no evil, Speak no evil, Hear no evil.. hands, face, space… they are limiting gatherings.. rather old fashioned control given that we are here discussion their shenanigans online. The goal os to wear us down (more likely to willingly take a vaccine and opt in to digital ID) and keep us apart (that’s how ideas and protests and revolutions are formed). Also, perhaps the new abnormal has no entertainment. The goal being to repurpose it all for flats.

174063 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 1, #502 of 1814 🔗

https://www.songfacts.com/lyrics/paul-mccartney-wings/band-on-the-run

If I ever get out of here, from the song. Says it all.

174827 ▶▶ DomW, replying to wendyk, #503 of 1814 🔗

I had that album as a kid 🙂

174067 RickH, replying to RickH, 11, #504 of 1814 🔗

In the Round-Up : “ NHS coronavirus test labs could run out of supplies within days

First bit of good news today.

Tho’ I guess they can miss out the middle man and simply make up the numbers.

174069 ▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to RickH, 5, #505 of 1814 🔗

This brings up the intersting philosphical question. Without any testing, will we notice any difference?

174098 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Cicatriz, 3, #506 of 1814 🔗

I don’t know for sure but I would place a small wager on China having stopped testing. I can think of no other explanation for their stats. Funny, they are not often mentioned by the lockdown zealots. Almost as if they know they are fiddling the figures. Otherwise wouldn’t China be the poster child for strict lockdowns?

174131 ▶▶▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to Julian, 1, #507 of 1814 🔗

From their point of view, yes. From my point of view, I wouldn’t trust anything from the Chinese state, good, bad or indifferent.That said, I don’t trust anything from the British state, either.

174182 ▶▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to Cicatriz, 6, #508 of 1814 🔗

If we hadn’t been told about this virus by the media we would never have heard of it.

174184 ▶▶▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to Lockdown Truth, 2, #509 of 1814 🔗

Probably not. We’d have likely thought we had a nasty late flu season.

174091 ▶▶ leggy, replying to RickH, 1, #510 of 1814 🔗

Result – no testing, no casedemic.

174241 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to RickH, 1, #511 of 1814 🔗

They’ll get new supplies in a week, test 10000000 people and declare that the epidemic is doubling every 10 seconds.

174070 Oldschool, replying to Oldschool, 26, #512 of 1814 🔗

I have just seen in the Mail that 2/3 of people support a 2 week “circuit breaker” lockdown.
Even if this is true, my question is, what is to stop that 2/3 doing just that and let the other 1/3 go about their business?
Nobody is forcing the bedwetting clowns out of their houses into the full force of the deadly Rona
Stay at home, under your beds, with your nappies on your faces and leave the rest of us alone

174073 ▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to Oldschool, 5, #513 of 1814 🔗

Two thirds of people support kicking the can down the road.

174078 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Oldschool, 15, #514 of 1814 🔗

The circuit breaker is the latest pet phrase to be peddled. It means, of course, “society breaker” and it won’t be lifted after two weeks because it won’t “work”. It will be extended into another indefinite lockdown with irreparable consequences

174100 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #515 of 1814 🔗

bit like that circuit breaker in March-initially 3 weeks turned into 3 months.
Why not wait till the first weeks of January. There’s always a natural circuit breaker when we are all skint after Christmas

174095 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Oldschool, 4, #516 of 1814 🔗

I think one should be vary careful about claims like that regarding support for measures. I strongly doubt the samples are properly representative or that the questions have been phrased in a properly neutral way.

Consider these questions:

1) Do you support a circuit breaker?
2) After the circuit breaker, when things open up again, what do you think will happen and why?
3) If things get bad again, would you support another circuit breaker?

etc

If you ask different questions I think you’ll get different answers

174143 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Julian, 2, #517 of 1814 🔗

That’s not how they ask.
1.Are you worried about Covid – yes
2.Does the rise in cases in the country concern you? Yes
3.Do you think the Government could do more to stop the spread? Yes
4.Would you support a 2 week circuit breaker lockdown just to slow the spread and save lives ?

174164 ▶▶▶▶ Kev, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #518 of 1814 🔗

So not leading questions at all then

174190 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Julian, #519 of 1814 🔗

See Yes Minister for how surveys can be manipulated
From the days when BBC was respected

174102 ▶▶ Censored Dog, replying to Oldschool, 6, #520 of 1814 🔗

The context is that the circuit breaker is for two weeks. If it really was only for 2 weeks, then I could see why it would be supported.

But it wont be for 2 weeks. That’s the bit People still don’t get.

174119 ▶▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to Censored Dog, 6, #521 of 1814 🔗

The first lockdown teaches us several lessons:

  • End goal is not specified
  • Measurements of efficacy are not specified
  • Exit strategy is not specified

When a policy is created that doesn’t specify what it’s stated goal is, how it will be measured and how it will be rescinded, then we have a terrible policy. Has anyone learned that lesson? It’s not like we haven’t been there before: Iraq, terrorism, etc.

But let’s do it again. It might work this time.

174256 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Cicatriz, 3, #522 of 1814 🔗

Anything that’s a ‘war on’ some nebulous concept. Drugs, obesity, speeding.

174239 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Censored Dog, 1, #523 of 1814 🔗

You only need to look at the northern lockdowns to see this. More than 2 months now, cases still rising and no end in sight. Stricter restrictions now planned.

174177 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Oldschool, 9, #524 of 1814 🔗

Remember, ‘three weeks’ means ‘seven months and counting…’

174434 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Oldschool, 4, #525 of 1814 🔗

I am old and I am sick. However, I have lived through just as bad flu outbreaks that went unreported and I am certainly not going to be herded into a death home to be culled just because I am surplus to requirements. The old were culled in the spring after being given blanket DNR’s and now medical neglect will cull the sick. We don’t want further ‘protection’ – we want to live what’s left of our lives along with our families. We want the medical treatment we paid for over our working lives. We are not allowed euthansia but they can cull us and the country applauds. As for ‘protecting the NHS’ – they are supposed to protect us! I worked for the NHS for many years and know exactly how much theft (almost considered a perk of the job), waste, corruption etc there is and you could double the funding and most would leave via the back door. If the public support further measures it’s only because they believe the appalling lies being dished out to them.

174722 ▶▶▶ zubin, replying to Mutineer, #526 of 1814 🔗

So sad. I feel exactly.like you even though don’t feel old. What has happened is truly appalling. X

174072 shorthand, replying to shorthand, 15, #527 of 1814 🔗

Just back from the shops and stopped in at a small but well established local family run ice cream business up on the Moray coast, they sell to restaurants, cafes and higher end bars. They also do cash sales to the public – One of the girls in the office porta-cabin next to the unit nips into the factory and gets your order. It’s the best of gear.
They’ve been closed off and on recently. Today I went in, the van was parked up and in the porta-cabin there was an older guy, maybe late 60’s, I think he’s the owner. The usual 2 girls weren’t there.

He went through and got my order then I got talking to him and although he didn’t actually say it, and I could see his anger, it sounds like they’re against the wall. Probably fucked by xmas.

174079 ▶▶ shorthand, replying to shorthand, 20, #528 of 1814 🔗

ON A LIGHTER NOTE – COVIDIOT OF THE WEEK?

On the way out of tesco this morning I stopped for fuel. I’ve done the pay at pump bit, and just started filling when a lad pulls up on the other side of the pump from me, already pre masked in his car.  In-car wearers and outdoor wearers are the true enemy in my opinion.
So he does his pay at pump bit (Confirmed ‘in car wearer’ at this point as he’s likely not going inside) and starts to fill his car with unleaded. Nothing unusual about that thus far, other than he’s wearing a face nappy outdoors on a fine October morning.

I was just finishing up when I realised that his car was still running while he was filling. Now, I don’t recall having seen anyone ever doing that in the UK. I’ve worked in the Former Soviet Union years ago where it was commonplace to be sat in the back of an old Lada Taxi while the caby was out filling up with his engine running, the heady smell of leaded 4 star filling the rear of the car and the dawning that this is how it all ends for you….

In reality, my fellow filler’s misdemeanour would likely not result in the garage forecourt turning into a fiery ball of death but it could have resulted in a fairly bad burn, localised singeing, melted nappy and an immediate change of underwear if the vapour from the filling nozzle had ignited due to static electricity which has a potential to be generated whilst the car is running (The primary reason the blue mandatory signage telling you to switch off your engine is plastered all over every forecourt – you make a better conductor than 4 rubber tyres).

So what’s my point or my issue other than his nappy? It’s this. Why would he be happy to accept mandatory rules and blue signs telling him to adopt a specific behaviour (wear a face nappy) – with no evidence of a localised real or perceived hazard (or science) to back it up, yet completely disregard the facilities mandatory blue signs telling him to adopt another specific behaviour, backed up with yellow signs giving clear indication of an real onsite hazard and red prohibitory signage giving clear warning of a potential danger as a consequence of his actions…?

Anyway all’s well that ends well as they say. One of the cashiers was going over to the main store noticed and she gave him a real bollocking making him look an even bigger tit.

174111 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to shorthand, 4, #529 of 1814 🔗

I was filling my car up in the mid-1980s once and I noticed the chap using the next pump along had a cigarette hanging out of his mouth.I just put a fiver’s worth in instead of a tenner and left him to it !.

174125 ▶▶▶▶ shorthand, replying to Paul, #530 of 1814 🔗

Aah those halcyon days when a fiver got you at least half way where you were going!
Sure this guy would be the same special type, just couldn’t decide between a fag or a mask while he was filling up…..

174181 ▶▶▶ anon, replying to shorthand, #531 of 1814 🔗

everyone in the uae fills up (or rather has it filled for them) with the engine running. at least when I was there.

French mechanic who fixed my hire car then went on to fill up his motor with a gallouise practically ashing into the tank.

174399 ▶▶▶▶ shorthand, replying to anon, #532 of 1814 🔗

Yep, worked in the UAE myself for a brief period and that’s maybe the reason they are so cavalier is that someone else is doing it for them… That and if anything goes wrong they’re off to a better place!

174074 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 9, #533 of 1814 🔗

The economy is at risk of stalling, according to the BoE. Understatement of the century, I should say, unless they mean stall like an aircraft, in other words fall out of the sky.
But the economy doesn’t matter, of course. All that matters is whacking the moles, walloping the virus, eliminating all risk to life. And if everyone loses their jobs that is fine – the government will pay! Or the rich! It would be callous and heartless to priortise anything other than saving the life of one innocent granny. Even if the granny concerned is screaming from her rooftop “get back to normal and stop using me as an excuse you utterly useless wimps!”

174104 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #534 of 1814 🔗

Very weak, euphemistic language. Just treat us like adults and tell us how bad it really is….oh, I forgot. There are no adults left.

We must go back into lockdown because hands face space masks tests vaccine science.

174080 Schrodinger, replying to Schrodinger, 11, #535 of 1814 🔗

Very recent paper in the BMJ which, if am reading, it correctly says that general social distancing which was projected to reduce the number of cases did in fact increase the total number of deaths

and seems to conclude with what has been obvious for months that you cannot do anything to change the eventual outcome

Nevertheless, in all mitigation scenarios, epidemics modelled using CovidSim eventually finish with widespread infection and immunity, and the final death toll depends primarily on the age distribution of those infected and not the total number.

Perhaps someone on a higher scientific paygrade could comment

https://www.bmj.com/content/bmj/371/bmj.m3588.full.pdf

174161 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to Schrodinger, #536 of 1814 🔗

It’s based on Neil Ferguson’s model – does one need to say more!? Put in the same initial parameters and get a different result each time!

Sorry, I’m being too cynical.

DavidC

175217 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Schrodinger, #537 of 1814 🔗

This deserves more exposure in my view.

174082 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #538 of 1814 🔗

Is the DM starting to wobble?, just a teeny bit?
Government support that is?

174089 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #539 of 1814 🔗

You mean the circuit breaker poll? The tenor of its lead piece about the anger of the north suggests not

174105 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #540 of 1814 🔗

Interesting!

174897 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #541 of 1814 🔗

I like this one in the comments:
SAGE = Support All Gates’ Edicts.

174090 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #542 of 1814 🔗

judging by the comments there’s quite a lot of people who now understand the concept of a false positive.

174287 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #543 of 1814 🔗

DM has been one of the best of the mainstream news media outlets throughout. Even early on it published some sceptical stuff when others were 100% propaganda bullshit, and recently they’ve been full of sceptical stuff, and have absolutely savaged the government quite regularly. But they have also come out with some strangely gratuitous pro-panic pieces as well. I’m not sure what the origin of this seeming dual personality is. Might be disagreements among the management/editorial personnel, or a need to keep government ad money flowing, or something else I’m not aware of.

Anyway for the past few years up to March, I’d probably looked at the DM (online) a handful of times in total. Since March and especially recently, it has become my most frequently visited msm site. Partly that’s because other reasonably sceptical sites are pay-walled, but not entirely.

174322 ▶▶ Mrs issedoff, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #544 of 1814 🔗

It is a strange paper, and certainly has some strange readers if the comments are anything to go by. I have always likened going on The DM on line to passing the scene of a car accident, you really don’t want to look but can’t help yourself. I always feel slightly grubby after reading it and feel like I should go to confession even though I’m a lapsed catholic!.

It seems to flip between complete bed wetting to being sceptical,and the same can be said for the commenters.

174893 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Fingerache Philip., #545 of 1814 🔗

SAGE expert says virus is ‘holding a gun to Britain’s head’
How do they get away with printing such obvious bollox?!

The government’s SAGE group was meeting this afternoon, with one member, Professor John Edmunds, saying beforehand that a short sharp shock was needed to ‘stop the epidemic from getting out of control in the next few weeks or months and overwhelming the health service’.

Wasn’t “short sharp shock” a slogan about tackling criminals some years ago? The language is so calculated!

The article has a bewildering plethora of graphs which clearly provide contradictory information.

The justification is yet again to protect the NHS which apparently will sink like a stone in 10 days’ time, according to the Edmonds.

But Labour leader Keir Starmer launched a furious attack on Mr Johnson in the Commons, saying 19 out of 20 areas subjected to local curbs over the past two months have actually seen infections rise. He insisted that the measures were ‘not working’, and singled out the controversial 10pm curfew on pubs saying the government had failed to provide any ‘scientific basis’.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8818613/Northerners-rage-dictator-Boris-Johnson-using-petri-dish-tough-curbs.html

174083 Julian, replying to Julian, 18, #546 of 1814 🔗

Masks

If I live to see all the other restrictions lifted, I think masks will be the last to go.

Indeed masks may never go.

I think the case against them is harder to make than the case against other restrictions. Masks don’t stop you doing anything, at least not physically. The removal of freedom is much less stark than forbidding people to meet. They don’t ruin the economy in quite the same obvious way as closing things.

They are unpleasant, and of course we know they are not really any use, but it’s very easy to say “it’s just a mask it’s just while you’re in the shop”.

The bottom line is that I am sure a lot of people really don’t like wearing them and would prefer not to, but arguing a strong case for the removal of compulsion seems much harder to me, because the arguments are more abstract and philosophical (dehumanising), or seem trifling (my glasses steam up).

Don’t get me wrong, I think they are evil, but I don’t hold out much hope for them to be removed.

Anyone feel like cheering me up by explaining how they’ll be gone some time next year?

174086 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Julian, 13, #547 of 1814 🔗

If the brainless morons want to wear em, let them do so, just leave the rest of us alone.

174114 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Julian, 6, #548 of 1814 🔗

Not trifling.Breathing stale air all day is very unhealthy.

174115 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Julian, 10, #549 of 1814 🔗

My guess is never. I’m already set up for total exclusion from society as a result. When the vaccine rollout starts, we will have bigger problems to deal with. But I agree that they are evil, and have been critical in guiding the descent of our society into hell.

174301 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Richard O, 3, #550 of 1814 🔗

Same, I am a proper outsider now. Never been so separated from the world. Incredible.

174126 ▶▶ kf99, replying to Julian, 7, #551 of 1814 🔗

Agreed. I was hoping the effect on christmas shopping footfall might do it. Not so sure now. Retailers don’t seem to realise the power they have to get this changed – if they wanted to.

174231 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to kf99, 2, #552 of 1814 🔗

Christmas shopping is done for anyway this year with all the uncertainty over local/second lockdowns, rule of six and bans on household mixing and so on, not to mention people on a budget due to all the mass job redundancies.

174163 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Julian, 2, #553 of 1814 🔗

I wish I could, but sadly I 100% agree with your analysis.

174178 ▶▶ Kev, replying to Julian, 12, #554 of 1814 🔗

Just hope for a massive outbreak of mask mouth, with peoples teeth and gums rotting due to unnatural build up of bacteria and fungal spores, which can’t be exhaled as normal due to the fabric barrier. And dentists are mostly closed!

Would have sympathy for anyone who is compelled to wear the horrible things all day, but not the badge of honour brigade.

Would certainly turn the tide against them, and might lead to a panicked government reversal.

174196 ▶▶▶ Old Normal, replying to Kev, 5, #555 of 1814 🔗

I just went to a couple of local shops without a mask. I’m exempt anyway. In the first, the checkout person served the masked customer in front of me with her mask on, then took it off to serve me.

In the second shop, two young guys were serving, again one of them served a masked person with his on, the guy who served me kept his under his chin and gave me a massive smile.

174201 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Kev, 3, #556 of 1814 🔗

As you say, a big case of mask mouth, bigged up even more by the media, NHS dentists backlogged.
Can’t do essential treatment for avoidable cases like this.
Self inflicted due to masks- shouldn’t get treatment, paid for by taxpayer, etc etc.

Right campaign and use project fears tactics against them and mask wearing becomes unacceptable in a fortnight.

174232 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Kev, 1, #557 of 1814 🔗

But if it saves one life!

174460 ▶▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Kev, 3, #558 of 1814 🔗

Dental problems are already escalating. There will an increase (if dentists ever reopen) of extractions since the NHS already refuses treatments like root canals, bridges etc and private dentistry costs the earth. I went privately recently (dreadful experience like a sci fi film) and it cost over £300 for a filling. Kids teeth will be pulled indiscriminately. Maybe then people might think again if something actually affects them. Dentists also diagnose oral cancers which will increase along with all the undiagnosed (let alone, treated) cancers. In fact, the country will see a massive rise in all illnesses except Covid-19 – the only disease where the treatment kills more than the disease. Not one single trial recommends masks for the public and the WHO said this in March but the Govt leant on them to change their advice. Why? Possibly as a visible sign of compliance. I imagine some of these compliant lunatics would wear a kiss me quick hat and a red nose if advised to do so. The Govt also admitted they were suing the public to police masks via finger pointing and shaming. It wasn’t hard to turn the willing public into the Stasi. I never thought I’d see the day when the police could enter your home to count your visitors or your neighbours could ‘shop’ you.

174204 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Julian, 4, #559 of 1814 🔗

I suspect you are right, but I hope against hope that you’re not. My money is on face nappies being compulsory well into next year, perhaps even this time next year. Today Poland mandated them for everyone outside, everywhere. Sorry I can’t cheer you up. I feel exactly the same.

174226 ▶▶ HoMojo, replying to Julian, 6, #560 of 1814 🔗

If anyone asks me why I’m not wearing one I say I’m not going to collaborate with crimes against humanity. That shuts them up.

174576 ▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to HoMojo, 1, #561 of 1814 🔗

Great response!

174288 ▶▶ paulito, replying to Julian, 4, #562 of 1814 🔗

I agree muzzles will be the last humiliation to be removed. They’re a visible sign of compliance and essential to keep people believing there’s a risk. It’s why they’ve been made compulsory this late in the scamdemic. When they lose on masks they lose on everything.

174566 ▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Julian, #563 of 1814 🔗

Nothing less than a few very high profile cases of serious adverse health effects will do it. Unfortunately some of the most serious take months if not years to emerge e.g. pulmonary fibrosis.

174873 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to charleyfarley, #564 of 1814 🔗

Mask-related deaths of three German kids OUGHT to have been sufficient …..

174774 ▶▶ l835, replying to Julian, 1, #565 of 1814 🔗

Once the boys in blue realise it negates their facial recognition plans, masks will be gone!!

175118 ▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Julian, #566 of 1814 🔗

The only way to get rid of them is if everyone on this site explains the exemptions to others ,makes and puts up anti mask posters ,gives out leaflets against them . They will go as soon as we get more people on our side than the ones who wan’t to wear them and we force the government to retreat . Sorry i can’t cheer you up, it’s going to be a long hard struggle but in the end i’m certain we will win .

174093 Hawkins_94, replying to Hawkins_94, 10, #567 of 1814 🔗

Did anyone else notice Nicola Sturgeon’s claim that the measures put in place “12 days ago” to prevent us visiting each other in our homes hasn’t had any measured impact?

Shock/horror.

But the truth is that Glasgow and other districts we have had those measures since 1 September…not less than 2 weeks ago. And what are some of the areas with the highest “cases”? That’s right, Glasgow.

“Oh, but it is because people are not complying with the rules”

You simply cannot argue with these people. Measures that are ruining peoples lives, mental health, freedoms, livelihoods are not having any effect and we all know why.

174147 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Hawkins_94, 3, #568 of 1814 🔗

Friend who decided it was too risky to enter my home for our usual weekly post walk coffee break, has now gone on holiday with her family south of the border.

Erm….but the Holyrood Dominatrix has just banned us; to use PC parlance, we’ve been cancelled.

We Must Listen To Nicola And Stop The Spread, while stopping everything else in the process.

174313 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to Hawkins_94, 2, #569 of 1814 🔗

More leaches! And burn the heretic!

174094 Ed Phillips, replying to Ed Phillips, 42, #570 of 1814 🔗

Thanks to everyone who responded to my message yesterday. (To remind you, I’m a church minister writing under a pseudonym)

It was just one of those days yesterday when I got a bit overwhelmed. You helped a lot.

I had an email exchange with another minister who said he’s been questioned by members of his congregation because he’s not sufficiently rigorous about face masks. He calls them obsessed and paralysed with fear.

All year I have been preaching “do not fear”. All year I have been pointing people away from this minor disease and to look to Christ. But government propaganda is more persuasive for some people it seems.

Still, we keep moving forward!

174122 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Ed Phillips, 3, #571 of 1814 🔗

A Puritan pseudonym!

If you’re on Facebook, have a look at this group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/798005520961110

174858 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to mattghg, 1, #572 of 1814 🔗

Closed group?

174123 ▶▶ Catherine Young, replying to Ed Phillips, 9, #573 of 1814 🔗

Always good to hear from the enlightened. Thanks for trying to dispel the myths, but as you say, the UK gov propaganda machine is a powerful tool. I think sceptics are growing in number and was delighted to encounter a small street stall of sceptics in York city centre yesterday. It was therapeutic to offload my frustrations and emotional baggage to them, as they kindly gave me space to vent. You’re not alone x

174129 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Ed Phillips, 1, #574 of 1814 🔗

Remember the names of all those in your congregation who wore face masks. When the time comes, they must be excommunicated. They are worshipping the state.

174146 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Ed Phillips, 3, #575 of 1814 🔗

Some fall on stony ground!
Glad you’re feeling better.

174172 ▶▶ Heading home, replying to Ed Phillips, 6, #576 of 1814 🔗

Not sure what you commented yesterday but just saying hello as a fellow believer. We haven’t been to a service as won’t wear a mask… keep pointing people to Christ, we struggling with the church cowering in fear. I’m encouraged to hear a minister of the gospel!

175271 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Heading home, #577 of 1814 🔗

I go to church maskless as they recognise my exemption. Our vicar is obsessed with masks and social distancing(she is over 70) butt we still have enjoyable services and are open.

174253 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Ed Phillips, 1, #578 of 1814 🔗

Glad it helped and now you realise you are not alone.

174266 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Ed Phillips, -2, #579 of 1814 🔗

if there is a god why is he killing people with a virus? Are these people being punished?

174634 ▶▶ Felice, replying to Ed Phillips, 2, #580 of 1814 🔗

Not sure what variety of minister you are (not that it makes much difference) but closed churches make me so sad. Yes, the church is the people, but the church building always seems to speak to me of the saints who went before.
I’ve been doing a long walk through the Herefordshire/Gloucestershire/Worcestershire countryside, unfortunately as a series of day walks rather than uninterrupted, and I visit the church in each village I pass through. All are closed, with that horrid notice about on the instructions of the government/CoE authorities, apart from the churches that are no longer in active use. There have been 2 so far – the magnificant church of St Mary at Kempley with its Romanesque wall paintings, which is under the control of English Heritage, and a church at Ashleworth, where parts of the walls are of Saxon construction. Both were fully open and were so beautifully normal.
The saints of yesterday would be ashamed of us today.

174863 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ed Phillips, #581 of 1814 🔗

Keep shining your light!

175123 ▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Ed Phillips, #582 of 1814 🔗

Chin up ! we are going to win .

174116 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 20, #583 of 1814 🔗

Out and about today, some snippets:

  • driving past the testing station at bet365 stadium – almost totally empty and certainly no queues of desperate people in sight, all we saw were a few security guards playing on their phones so no idea where the tests are being done.
  • chatting in a shop got told by a woman that her friend who is a nurse at the local big hospital keeps telling her that she is coming home bored as they have very few patients in and it’s s struggle to find things to do as not enough jobs for the full staffing levels they have.
  • Bensons for beds – speaking to staff on the wearing of masks it’s lucky I was not a HSE Inspector doing a visit as no risk assessment shown to staff, no agreement by staff on the risk assessment findings, no supporting paperwork seen to justify the mask wearing at all times by staff, no mention exemptions apply to staff as well as customers, no briefing on what medical and psychological signs to look for, no description of what “close contact” means and so on. Left them looking on the internet at the laworfiction website and researching the dangers of masks. Explained how a PCR test is done and the false positives so they now turning sceptical especially after I asked how many fit and healthy people under 60 and died (they thought 50000) and were shocked it was only 300.
  • Someone I knew has been tested positive as they work in health care and now self-isolating but they have no recognised covid symptoms and they think they have food poisoning or some other tummy bug but boss says get tested anyway due to job blah blah blah. Explained false positives and so on (health care worker not aware of any of this which is scary) so now they are not worried.

Fun morning.

174121 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Awkward Git, 11, #584 of 1814 🔗

It’s worse than I thought. 50,000 dead under 60.

These fuckheads are living in a different dimension.

174127 ▶▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to Richard O, 7, #585 of 1814 🔗

My wife told me today that one of our friends thinks 6 million have died across the world.

174137 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Ed Phillips, 4, #586 of 1814 🔗

Two things wrong with that statement:

  1. They are not your friend any more.
  2. They cannot think.

Other than that, another priceless nugget to show us the level of stupidity and ignorance we are up against.

174166 ▶▶▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to Ed Phillips, 1, #587 of 1814 🔗

Is she getting it mixed up with another event?

174189 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to Cicatriz, 1, #588 of 1814 🔗

It was only as I was typing that I realised the connection!

174369 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Richard O, 1, #589 of 1814 🔗

Exactly so. And that level of ignorance shows just how meaningless are the opinion polls showing support for lockdown etc, quite apart from the way the polls are designed to produce the desired answers.

174142 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Awkward Git, 6, #590 of 1814 🔗

I shouldn’t be surprised that people don’t know the figures and don’t understand the actual probabilities. After all, they’re all buying Lotto tickets every week, fondly hoping for a jackpot that’s less likely than dying from being a left handed person who misused a right handed object on the same day that the pope is found guilty of defecating in the woods

174151 ▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #591 of 1814 🔗

Ridiculous statement about the Pope. I’m not aware of any woods in the Vatican.

174265 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Nobody2020, #592 of 1814 🔗

The Pope likes to play carpet bowls with the alter boys

174312 ▶▶▶▶ Recusant, replying to Nobody2020, #593 of 1814 🔗

There is a Vatican garden, in fact half the Vatican is the garden and it has trees in it, so technically it is possible to the Supreme Pontiff to drop his friends off at the lake. However, since the current Servus Servorum Dei opened the gardens to the public it is much likely that he could do so undetected.

175216 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Nobody2020, #594 of 1814 🔗

Two separate sentences often used for emphasis, Nobody. NN has combined the two for a giggle.

1) Is the pope a Catholic ?

2) Does a bear shit in the woods ?

174120 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 7, #595 of 1814 🔗

I wonder if some of the collaborators will insist on being buried/cremated in their masks?

174124 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Fingerache Philip., 5, #596 of 1814 🔗

You can’t be too careful!
(There’s a saying that hasn’t aged well, by the way)

174132 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #597 of 1814 🔗

Understatement.

174141 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #598 of 1814 🔗

Honestly N N, you see some “sheep” spending about 10 minutes “sanitizing” trollies and baskets: do they think that they are going to live forever??

174154 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #599 of 1814 🔗

Total surface sanitising has become a new ritual. I’ve seen people doing it to their cars before getting in.

174187 ▶▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Richard O, 2, #600 of 1814 🔗

And yet all they’re doing is compromising their own immune systems by endeavouring to keep everything germ free.

DavidC

174203 ▶▶▶▶▶ Thinkaboutit, replying to Richard O, 1, #601 of 1814 🔗

I misread that as ‘cats’, but that wouldn’t surprise me either.

174259 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Richard O, #602 of 1814 🔗

Unbelievable.

174478 ▶▶▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #603 of 1814 🔗

More worried about flu with a death rate of less than 1% but blasé about cancer which strikes 1 in 2. They won’t be diagnosed, let alone treated. Has anyone noticed people losing weight? The obese are more likely to get it and even more likely to die if they do get it so you would imagine a loss of weight in the population, surely? Nope. Just blind belief in muzzles and vaccines. Nobody will take any responsibility for their own health Their kids are more likely to be struck by lightning than die of Covid-19 but are terrified witless over something that will never happen.

174165 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Fingerache Philip., 6, #604 of 1814 🔗

I was pleased to see that when Harry Bellinge, 93 year old D day veteran went to the train naming ceremony yesterday he was mask free;
https://planetradio.co.uk/pirate-fm/local/news/cornish-d-day-veteran-deeply-moved-following-train-naming-ceremony/

174128 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 6, #605 of 1814 🔗

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/bbcs-stephen-nolan-defends-confronting-belfast-shoppers-over-face-masks-after-twitter-backlash-39600650.html

BBC bod becomes self appointed mask enforcer.

What next? The Covid Brown Shirts?

The Sturmabteilung for the New Normal.

174175 ▶▶ kf99, replying to wendyk, 2, #606 of 1814 🔗

“The BBC presenter Stephen Nolan’s pay increased by around £65,000 in 2019-20. He earned between £390,000 and £394,999 from the licence fee, compared with around £325,000 in 2018-19.”

He’s getting some nice twitter comments regarding his own obesity

174185 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to kf99, 1, #607 of 1814 🔗

I’ve never earned as much as 65,000 a year let alone having it as increase!

Maybe one’s earning potential is in inverse proportion to one’s IQ?!

DavidC

174802 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to DavidC, #608 of 1814 🔗

I must be a genius!

174249 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to kf99, 4, #609 of 1814 🔗

I’m delighted not to be contributing a single penny to this guy’s salary.

174776 ▶▶▶▶ zubin, replying to AidanR, 1, #610 of 1814 🔗

Me too

174179 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to wendyk, 4, #611 of 1814 🔗

He should focus more on losing some weight and piss off. Disgusting human being.

174193 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Sarigan, 1, #612 of 1814 🔗

I’ve never heard of him. WTF is he?

174236 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Tenchy, 2, #613 of 1814 🔗

Fulminating Fat Fascist employed by BBC In Northern Ireland

174268 ▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to wendyk, 2, #614 of 1814 🔗

Stephen Nolan:—‘Why aren’t you wearing a mask?’

Mask less shopper:—-‘Why are you a fat, ugly, rude excuse for a human being?’

174647 ▶▶▶ Felice, replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #615 of 1814 🔗

‘Didn’t your mother ever tell you that it is rude to make personal remarks?’

174813 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Felice, #616 of 1814 🔗
174815 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, #617 of 1814 🔗

Nuff said!

174133 MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 5, #618 of 1814 🔗

Apologies if this has been posted before: Johnson’s speech to the Conservative Conference. A few highlights follow (my emphasis). I haven’t read it all but it is quite incredible. Talk about taking the piss:

‘We have been through too much frustration and hardship just to settle for the status quo ante – to think that life can go on as it was before t he plague ; and it will not. Because history teaches us that events of this magnitude – wars famines, plagues ; events that affect the vast bulk of humanity, as this virus has – they do not just come and go.

They are more often than not the trigger for an acceleration of social and economic change , because we human beings will not simply content ourselves with a repair job.
We see these moments as the time to learn and to improve on the world that went before.
That is why this government will build back better.

Mother nature has savaged us with Covid , but with the help of basic natural phenomena we will build back and bounce back greener; and this government will lead that green industrial revolution.’

https://www.conservativehome.com/parliament/2020/10/the-prime-ministers-full-text-he-says-that-like-churchills-wartime-government-his-is-sketching-out-a-vision-of-a-new-jerusalem.html

p.s. We think it may have already been doctored since it doesn’t quite match up with the video clips we’ve seen. MW

174134 ▶▶ John P, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 5, #619 of 1814 🔗

My asymptomatic stomach ache may soon be turning symptomatic … bleah!

174162 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 5, #620 of 1814 🔗

This prick just gets worse and worse. I count at least 13 outright lies.

174168 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Richard O, 4, #621 of 1814 🔗

I strongly object to that use of the word ‘prick’!

A prick is useful.

174797 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to RickH, #622 of 1814 🔗

Easpecially if attached to some covid vaccine.
The usefulness depends whether on you’re receiving the jab or the profits.

174180 ▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 3, #623 of 1814 🔗

to think that life can go on as it was before t he plague ; ”
I would hope so, that was 600 years ago.

Mother nature has savaged us with Covid , but with the help of basic natural phenomena we will build back and bounce back greener;
Shame that never included Vitamin D

174800 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cicatriz, 1, #624 of 1814 🔗

Surely he meant to say “The Science has savaged us with lockdown”.

174136 Paul, replying to Paul, 1, #625 of 1814 🔗

My wife went to a clinic today to have a blood test as requested by her specialist.They couldn’t do it because the NHS all over England has or is about to run out of something they mix in with the blood to be tested.I’ve never heard that they add something to the blood before it is tested or perhaps I was told once and didn’t take any notice.

174138 ▶▶ John P, replying to Paul, 2, #626 of 1814 🔗

Possibly an anticoagulant?

174140 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to John P, #627 of 1814 🔗

Yes,I suppose it could be,that never crossed my mind.

174215 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Paul, 6, #628 of 1814 🔗

Lots of things not coming through the supply chain now.

Mattress maker Hypnos has apparently stopped giving delivery dates as they ahem a backlog of orders and cannot get the springs they need.

Conservatory installers having trouble getting the correct grade polycarbonate for the roofs.

Chemicals made from crude oil as their is no excess in the system.

Truck fleet operators have quite a few trucks off the road as spares, replacement windscreens etc not being delivered to the mechanics.

Bensons cannot give a delivery date for beds or furniture.

Dimples and mean cannot supply dehumidifiers.

Little things that you don’t realise as they are not in plain sight like food but all now mounting up.

174662 ▶▶▶ Felice, replying to Awkward Git, #629 of 1814 🔗

Went to Ikea with my daughter at the weekend. We needed to buy a table for my daughter to use instead of her kitchen table. Although they had table tops, there were absolutely no table legs available.

174486 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Paul, 1, #630 of 1814 🔗

They will give you the flu vaccine (no thanks) for which they are paid but won’t do vital cancer blood tests. Criminal.

174149 Awkward Git, 9, #631 of 1814 🔗

Knew months ago that the fraud in the bounce back loan scheme was sky high.

I was even told by business owners they were not going to pay back a penny but would wait until the first demand for payment was issued then go bankrupt and return to India and Pakistan.

They’ve already bought a lot of high end cars etc that have been shipped out the country ready to be sold overseas or are in the process of selling the stuff at a loss (not really as it was not bought with their money) here and pocketing the cash and shipping that out.

Was a no brainer really.

Next year their children/grandchildren will open a business here when it’s a bit better financially and they will “invest” in it.

174155 Sir Patrick Vaccine, 5, #632 of 1814 🔗

Harrowing suicide figures reveal toll on Victorians
Sky News Australia host Peta Credlin says by the end of 2020 there could be more people lost to suicide in Victoria than to coroanvirus.
And we know this terrible tragedy is happening here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVTuPh8Rb2I

174156 Telpin, replying to Telpin, 11, #633 of 1814 🔗

Apologies if already posted but just heard on news – Sky, BBC and others- that figures released today showing 3 times more CoVid deaths than from flu or pneumonia. Putting aside flawed characterisation of cause of death in many Co Vid cases the critical point is the timeframe- January to September. Of course co Vid outnumbers flu- the flu season is more or less over by March. No context given , no questions from MSM. Is the journalist profession brain dead? And is it just a coincidence that these figures are released and in this way?? Has government propaganda/ D Cummings fingerprints all over it. I have honestly gone from a law abiding, respectful of authority citizen to a person who feels in no way loyal to this country anymore and wholly distrustful of everything.

174169 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Telpin, 14, #634 of 1814 🔗

I was previously law abiding but never respectful of authority.

Now I am a criminal, but not because of any action on my part. The state has simply invented hundreds of new laws which it is my moral obligation not to comply with.

174171 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Telpin, 4, #635 of 1814 🔗

Is the journalist profession brain dead?”

You mean – you have to ask?

Complete corruption of corrupted data by corrupt people.

174195 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to RickH, #636 of 1814 🔗

To do ONS justice – they are quite clear in their definition :

Deaths where COVID-19 was mentioned on the death certificate

aka – not the ’cause’. Mapping the daily figures is quite useful to see when the term was most used – or most ‘fashionable’.

… and you’re quite right about the ‘flu season. Perhaps this CEBM chart gives a little perspective. Note the testdemic rise in more recent ‘Covid’ diagnoses

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/what-does-rcgp-surveillance-tell-us-about-covid-19-in-the-community/

174212 ▶▶ Old Normal, replying to Telpin, 2, #637 of 1814 🔗

Sturgeon tweeted that this morning and seemed to ‘forget’ she’s in charge of Scotland rather than England and Wales.

It also seemed to escape her grasp that we’re no longer in April and flu and pneumonia deaths have been significantly higher than Covid deaths for some time.

175267 ▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Telpin, #638 of 1814 🔗

I recall when I was a child catching flu in April and the Dr remarking it was unusual and I’d waited till everyone else had already had it.

174160 wendyk, 3, #640 of 1814 🔗

https://thecritic.co.uk/channel-4-turn-off-it-crowd/

Some more Wokey Wokey fun for sceptics to expostulate about

174170 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 7, #641 of 1814 🔗

“Build Back Better”. I mean regardless of the connotations, the agendas, etc. as a slogan it’s just shit.

174173 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Achilles, 2, #642 of 1814 🔗

The alliteration helps the zombies remember it.

174197 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Richard O, 4, #643 of 1814 🔗

Well it’s getting dumber at each stage isn’t it?

Stay Home, Protect the NHS, Save Lives – Sentences
Hands, Face, Space – 3 words
Build, Back, Better – 3 words and alliteration

What’s the next one going to be? Just a picture probably.

174210 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Achilles, 8, #644 of 1814 🔗

Probably be “Ba, ba ba”. Or maybe “Boris go plop plop”.

174246 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nicky, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #645 of 1814 🔗

That’s just made me lol 😂 thank you. Wonderful image of baby boris 😂 🤣

174221 ▶▶▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to Achilles, #646 of 1814 🔗

The phonics that children use to learn how to read! Curly c for cunt , kicking K…

174191 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Achilles, 10, #647 of 1814 🔗

Three letter word slogans. Dom Cummings loves them. I have one I want to pass on to him. You F*cking C*nt. simple and easy to understand.

174296 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Achilles, 1, #648 of 1814 🔗

It could equally be Build Better Back i.e. let’s back to normal as it was working fine

174623 ▶▶ Allan Gay, replying to Achilles, #649 of 1814 🔗

“Build back better”.
What’s that in Mandarin?

174174 John P, replying to John P, 12, #650 of 1814 🔗

Just a follow up to my earlier joke about asymptomatic stomach aches (etc)

It was a joke with a serious point, but I’m not absolutely sure that everyone quite got it.

It’s a contradiction in terms.

Covid-19 is a disease caused by the coronavirus SARS-CoV-2. Usually we don’t use two terms in this way.

People with certain symptoms may say they have colds, they don’t say they have rhinovirus infections.

While you can have a pre-symptomatic infection by a “live” SARS-CoV-2 virus, you cannot have an asymptomatic case of Covid-19.

Covid-19 is a disease with a set of specific characteristic symptoms. You cannot have asymptomatic Covid-19.

174222 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to John P, 2, #651 of 1814 🔗

It’s laziness on the part of the MSM. Earlier this year I complained to the BBC about one of their headlines that conflated the disease with the causative agent. The response was that although tecnically correct it was in the conscience of the viewers/readers.
If you have chicken pox/shingles you don’t say you have herpes zoster infection, which was my example.

174289 ▶▶ Lydia, replying to John P, 2, #652 of 1814 🔗

I keep asking the asymptomatic question to myself: how can a deadly disease present no symptoms to some people? If people were infected with a deadly virus then surely the human body will display symptoms in everyone as the body will be fighting an infection?!
I know people who have had tests and they’re positive yet show no symptoms. Even a mild cold produces symptoms, why doesn’t a deadly virus produce symptoms in everyone?

People just don’t seem to question this asymptomatic term, do they?

174293 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Lydia, 1, #653 of 1814 🔗

Asymptomatic = False positive test

174729 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to John P, #654 of 1814 🔗

You can have an asymptomatic false-positive covid test “case” though.

174176 John Galt, replying to John Galt, 53, #655 of 1814 🔗

Imagine you wake up and turn the TV on. The TV tells you that there’s a snowstorm so you need to stay inside. You look out of your window and it’s perfectly bright and clear. You ask your relatives who live elsewhere if they’ve seen any snow and they haven’t. You go online and read that there are snowstorms in other countries. You look into it further and it’s also bright and clear in these other countries as well. You post online that you’re not so sure about this snowstorm and Twitter labels you as “misinformation”. You realise you need to go to the supermarket, so you walk over there and everybody inside is dressed in full snow gear. The guard on the door asks you where your snow gear is and you have to claim you’re exempt. You walk around the shop and notice some people looking at you funny for not wearing snow gear. You get home and put on the news and they won’t stop talking about how bad the storm is and how it’s going to get much, much worse unless we do what they say. You’re very confused.

174192 ▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to John Galt, 8, #656 of 1814 🔗

🤣 🤣 🤣 Great analogy 👏

174199 ▶▶ Bailie, replying to John Galt, 11, #657 of 1814 🔗

Great analogy. I think I may be in a coma, or dead, or have slipped into a parralel universe. Launched a verbal tirade (totally unplanned and out of character) at some moron, and yes I did call him that, who pointed out I was going the wrong way at the outlet. He and his partner were masked up, outside. I get so stressed seeing these masked zombies that I am afraid I will have to avoid places like that before I totally lose it.

174263 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Bailie, 4, #658 of 1814 🔗

Good work, I hope you made their day.

174202 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to John Galt, 9, #659 of 1814 🔗

I remember the great Spanish snow storm of 1918 though and that was really bad so you shouldn’t be so dismissive.

174687 ▶▶▶ ChrisW, replying to Achilles, 2, #660 of 1814 🔗

Yeah they had two waves of snow apparently.

174213 ▶▶ JoeBlogg, replying to John Galt, 2, #661 of 1814 🔗

Sshhh…don’t ask quetions. Bad for health

174237 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to John Galt, 5, #662 of 1814 🔗

Don’t knock it. I’ve just sold my snow shovel on ebay for £1300.

174245 ▶▶ Mark H, replying to John Galt, 5, #663 of 1814 🔗

Remember the invisible ash cloud a few years ago over the UK in the middle of summer that prevented millions going on holiday, an ash cloud that could bring down planes but was completely invisible to the human eye?

174366 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Mark H, 1, #664 of 1814 🔗

That only ended because Willie Walsh flew 13 planes against the government advice and forced their hand

174267 ▶▶ John Ballard, replying to John Galt, 4, #665 of 1814 🔗

Great post and sums up the madness.

174186 Bailie, replying to Bailie, 2, #666 of 1814 🔗

Ok, once again my other half counters any scepticism with t”they couldn’t all be in it”, meaning our local MPs and Christian health officer ( NI). I just don’t have an answer because it does seem ludicrous that all the MPs, doctors etc believe the govn rubbish to the point of ignoring any questionable science. What have they to gain…

174206 ▶▶ JoeBlogg, replying to Bailie, 1, #667 of 1814 🔗

Mainly just a bunch of lazy lemmings

174208 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Bailie, 4, #668 of 1814 🔗

They don’t have to be in on it to go along with it. In many cases I suspect it is their perception of what they would have to lose (position, income, social approval) and not wanting the hassle, rather than what they gain. People who stand up to be counted and challenge a zeitgeist are brave exceptions to the rule until and unless their bravery and conscience opens the way for others to follow. Most people are more than capable of adopting the ostrich position when they think it’s in their interests.

174217 ▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to Bailie, 4, #669 of 1814 🔗

She’s over estimating the ability of even well educated people to think for themselves.

I personally don’t believe in any grand conspiracy, largely because the people in power are too inept to pull something like that off, but I do think both the media and big pharma have a lot to gain from this (see Swine Flu for their last attempt to make money off human misery).

I do think that, rather like in other obvious historic examples, otherwise intelligent and decent people going along with a terrible narrative because they are human and humans are easily led, and we have evolved to copy the majority opinion.

174233 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Jakehadlee, 10, #670 of 1814 🔗

To ‘believe’ implies faith in something for which you have no evidence.

Yet there is copious evidence. The proceedings of the World Economic Forum. The Great Reset, The Green New Deal. The pushing of Greta to the forefront of world affairs, and the fawning of powerful adults over this manipulated child. The use of their ‘build back better’ slogan from elites around the world. Boris’s conference speech.

We are being stitched right up and no belief is necessary, because it is evidenced fact.

Yes, they’re ballsing up the day to day minutae of it, because they’re useless, but the direction of travel is plain to see.

174244 ▶▶▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to AidanR, 2, #671 of 1814 🔗

I’ve read the evidence – as I did for the risk of Covid – and I don’t believe there’s a case to answer there.

To be honest, even if there was, I think the best tactic would be to unite behind a more sellable message – the clear and obvious data showing that lockdowns cause more damage than they solve.

We won’t win the argument by throwing in big conspiracy scenarios which are constantly used to undermine the more palatable arguments that might convince people who are ready to agree lockdowns are wrong but don’t believe (or want to believe, depending on your perspective) so called conspiracy theories.

The best thing for both those of who do and don’t believe in conspiracy is to have a united and marketable message – just like the pro-lockdown people do.

Let’s end lockdowns first, then deal with the bigger stuff (if it exists) – pushing the conspiracy narrative doesn’t help – even if it is true.

174271 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Jakehadlee, 7, #672 of 1814 🔗

Oh for goodness sake. Please, conspiracy theory. I agree that talking about the UN agenda 2030 does put off the normies but that is because they are brainwashed and trained to say “oh that’s a conspiracy theory” and dismiss anything that falls outside of the acceptable normie group think.

It’s not just the WEF driving this shit-show, its many other groups as well.

People’s readiness to dismiss any discussion of this kind of thing is very much why we are in this mess in the first place.

174291 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Jakehadlee, 5, #673 of 1814 🔗

Which conspiracy exactly though?

This seems a little naive to me. This is a bigger battle than you care to realise. Yes, anti lockdown but you have to understand and question the machine behind this. The think tanks, the business interests, the captured politicians and advisors, the lobbyists, the global organisations ruling unelected. Take your pick.

174357 ▶▶▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to Jakehadlee, 3, #674 of 1814 🔗

Problem is you can’t actually end the lockdowns without dealing with the bigger stuff. The “bigger stuff” actually prevents them ending because it means the science just doesn’t matter.

174400 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Chicot, 1, #675 of 1814 🔗

Yes, that seems quite likely. However, changing public opinion so that a majority realise that the virus is not an unprecedented threat is a first step because it removes the primary weapon being used against us – fear.

174401 ▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Jakehadlee, #676 of 1814 🔗

I don’t disagree with a single word you say here.

I do think we should continue to be a thorn in the side of the pro-lockdown people, but at the same time, I think people need to adapt and plan a way to live a satisfying life in this grave new world. In this respect, I’ll admit I’m in a better position than most to do so.

I think the idea of us ‘winning the argument’ is completely out of the question. The powerful control the narrative, the narrative sets the agenda. We have no power. Zero. I mean, with an electron microscope you might find the amount of power we have, but to 10 significant figures, it’s zero.

174710 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to AidanR, #677 of 1814 🔗

Apparently, Saint Greta’s to get a Nobel prize.

174219 ▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to Bailie, 5, #678 of 1814 🔗

It’s an echo chamber. Wait till/if the dam bursts. Everyone will have been a sceptic. Right now, trying to not look a fool is more important to these people.

Before Snowdon, most people rubbished the idea that governments and intelligence agencies were collecting data on the public to the scale they were with complete impunity. Following Snodon, everyone was suddenly saying “well, of course they were doing that, it’s obvious.”

174235 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Bailie, 4, #679 of 1814 🔗

Fear is infectious. Panic spreads. One of the reasons why it’s so important to keep calm and carry on, rather than panic and spread fear as we collectively (present company excepted) chose to do this year.

174255 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Bailie, 9, #681 of 1814 🔗

They aren’t all in on it, well they are but they think this new normal is “normal” it’s in the way they speak about things, the language they use, sustainability, vibrant, diverse, inclusive etc all corporate buzz words, carbon neutral by 2030 committed to the UN’s sustainable development goals,. They trot out these platitudes with no understanding of what they mean because they are conforming to a corporate group-think. They don’t have the first inkling of how to understand the bigger picture and its on a need to know basis anyway. They don’t need to know.

An army of empowered idiots is driving the agenda unwittingly in most cases.
In the case of the Covid Cult, it is just that a cult of blind faith in the power of covid, no facts apply it is all about what people believe about it that counts.

The brainwashing is incredible, pan-global.

174264 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Two-Six, 2, #682 of 1814 🔗

In Oz the NSW Health minister has accidentally used the words ‘New World Order’ – oops!

https://twitter.com/SongbirdTam_83/status/1314065214015377409

Saying people’s homes are dangerous now…

174342 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Carrie, #683 of 1814 🔗

Oops indeed. No words.

174344 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Carrie, #684 of 1814 🔗

Freudian slip

174315 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Bailie, 1, #685 of 1814 🔗

I see them as leaves falling in a river. They just get carried along by the current.

174398 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Bailie, 1, #686 of 1814 🔗

They don’t need to “all be in it”, they just need to be all going along with it.

Herd mentality, fear of standing out, fear of being the first one to notice the naked emperor.

It does seem somewhat surprising that so many leaders and others in so many countries have lost their rationality, but they certainly have. People copy eachother, especially now the world is so connected. Surprising things do happen, sometimes.

Rather than keep on with that line of reasoning, though, you could try pointing out that in terms of mortality, this year has not been all that remarkable taken against the worst years from the last few decades, but the response has been remarkable and obviously damaging.

174449 ▶▶ matt, replying to Bailie, 2, #687 of 1814 🔗

The cabinet are all, to one degree or another, implicated and so won’t break silence (at least yet) for fear of what is going to happen to them.

Most MPs have a party line to follow; either the government’s, the opposition (who got stuck in a “support the government in a ‘national crisis’ while criticising the execution” trap right at the beginning,
), or the SNP seeing it as a way to further the case for independence by doubling down on the oppression while criticising Johnson for evening too weak. Most MPs haven’t bothered to spend any time looking into it at all and so have no more idea what’s going on than most of the public do.

Also ministers and MPs have their own precautionary principle – better anything than be accused of allowing a single extra death to happen.

SAGE are divorced from reality. They are public health specialists, who have been given a job to do (make sure as few people die of the virus as possible, at any cost) and they’re doing it. Regardless of the contraindications. I’m also fairly sure they’re enjoying the limelight, the power and they’ve convinced themselves they’re right and on the side of the angels.

The devolved governments each have their own agendas. Sturgeon wants to prove she’s best and Scotland is better too (see above), Drakeford wants to prove Labour is best and God knows what Foster wants, but it will be at least clear to Foster (apologies – my wife’s from county Tyrone, but I’ve seen so little coverage of NI lately that I haven’t been able to work that one out)

And most other people, including public officials, are either 1) brainwashed by fear, 2) enjoying a newfound level of power, 3) loving their role in this little soap opera, where they get to save lives and be heroes, just by watching Netflix, informing on their neighbours and berating people on the street for apparent transgressions.

It’s actually quite straightforward how so many people could end up “in on it”. They don’t all have to believe the lie, if most of them can’t be bothered to question it.

174708 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bailie, #688 of 1814 🔗

Could be a case of what have they to lose if they speak out.

174194 leggy, replying to leggy, 18, #689 of 1814 🔗

Today’s Spectator:

Some 4.2 million people are waiting for NHS treatment with around half having waited longer than 18 weeks – three times as many as a year ago. A&E attendance in September was down 400,000 on last year to 1.7 million.

How people cannot see the damage being caused is beyond my comprehension.

174198 ▶▶ RickH, replying to leggy, 8, #690 of 1814 🔗

… and, again, you would have thought that decent journalists would have been over this like a rash.

174207 ▶▶▶ Kev, replying to RickH, 9, #691 of 1814 🔗

Only possible conclusion. There are no decent journalists, at least not working in the MSM. Follow the agenda, follow the narrative. Lies are truth, facts are irrelevant.

174211 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to leggy, 4, #692 of 1814 🔗

And yesterday someone was saying the NHS workers were close to exhaustion.

174281 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Achilles, 6, #693 of 1814 🔗

Working in travel, I am beyond exhaustion and not getting paid for it either.

174218 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to leggy, 3, #694 of 1814 🔗

Surely A&E depts have been overwhelmed by covid patients during the second wave?

174223 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to leggy, #695 of 1814 🔗

Some can see it but they lap up the message that it is the fault of their naughty fellow citizens for breaking the rules.

174224 ▶▶ Polemon2, replying to leggy, 2, #696 of 1814 🔗

You see – I told you the NHS was overwhelmed didn’t I. That is why it needs to be saved.
Brought it upon themselves? That couldn’t possibly be true, after all it is the wonder of the world – as shown at the Olympics.

174269 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to leggy, 4, #697 of 1814 🔗

I am just back working for a cancer charity since maternity leave. I spoke with a gentleman today who was due to have a scan and check up in April but was cancelled due to covid. His latest scan and check up show that his cancer has not only came back, but spread to his liver and lungs so his prognosis is now terminal and he has been sent home with oral chemo medication. I cant help but wonder if he had his earlier routine check up could it have been caught in time. F**k Covid

174280 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Janice21, #698 of 1814 🔗

Scandalous. No winners in any of this.

174387 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Janice21, #699 of 1814 🔗

I can’t “like” that, but I completely agree with the sentiment.

174214 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 13, #700 of 1814 🔗

So Boris says the Northern lockdowns haven’t had enough time to work, after being in place for at least 2 months in most places I think (hard to keep track these days) but the lockdown in March was of course responsible for the fall in cases and deaths that occurred within about 2 weeks?

Numpty.

174227 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to A. Contrarian, 18, #701 of 1814 🔗

I’m really not clear which rules I’m ignoring anymore…

174234 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #702 of 1814 🔗

Same here.

I know I’m breaking a few at least, not sure which ones.

maybe it’s confusing the Police as well which is why they don’t seem to enforce them much just in case the book you for something you haven’t done.

174473 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #703 of 1814 🔗

“There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.”
Ayn Rand

174699 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Awkward Git, #704 of 1814 🔗

A police van passed me today. The driver was bemuzzled!

174698 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to A. Contrarian, #705 of 1814 🔗

Numpty? I can think of many more appropriate nouns, several of which I wouldn’t have dreamed of using before this shamdemic.

174220 jim j, replying to jim j, 8, #706 of 1814 🔗

Ugh, yet another example –
BBC and Sky News running with an ONS report saying “see, C19 has caused more death than pneumonia” without reading Note 5 of the report –
Where it’s pneumonia and Covid it’s counted as Covid.
Thus that Covid column cannot be smaller than the pneumonia column.
Infuriating!!!!

174273 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to jim j, 1, #707 of 1814 🔗

Please email them and Ofcom

174302 ▶▶▶ Polemon2, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #708 of 1814 🔗

This seems strange to me considering the number of charts seen on this site which regularly showed a higher number of flu/pneu deaths than COVID. What am I missing?

174377 ▶▶▶▶ jim j, replying to Polemon2, 1, #709 of 1814 🔗

It’s a classification issue. Pneumonia often arises from some other problem which causes fluid in the lungs. The ONS has classified that whenever C19 and pneumonia are present, then it must be the c19 that put it there.
Obviously that isn’t necessarily correct in all cases. For most oldies it’s just a part of the cascade of things which lead to death.

174379 ▶▶▶▶▶ jim j, replying to jim j, 1, #710 of 1814 🔗

They’ve picked up a chunk of one column and put it in another column. It’s not medically correct

174320 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #711 of 1814 🔗

Ofcom are part of it.pointless

174225 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 7, #712 of 1814 🔗

Oooh, look. Some people in London (faint sound of choir) saying they’ll spoil things for us in the North, while carrying on as normal themselves. Well, I never. You could knock me down with a soiled mask.

174228 ▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to Sam Vimes, 5, #713 of 1814 🔗

Well, they have a point. It was not like they were busying themselves with BLM protest marches or getting some sun on Bournemouth Beach. They really took one for the team Down South. Besides, it’s Grim Up Here, so what do they expect?

On a slightly more serious note, is this another divide and conquer strategy. Are there any two remaining groups in the country not at each other’s throats yet?

174240 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Cicatriz, 16, #714 of 1814 🔗

Are there any two remaining groups in the country not at each other’s throats yet? Yes. Labour and Conservative MPs.

174243 ▶▶▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to Achilles, 4, #715 of 1814 🔗

touché

174276 ▶▶▶▶ Mrs issedoff, replying to Achilles, 3, #716 of 1814 🔗

Oh the irony!. Is this the first time this has happened?. I will admit to not being a political animal, it has always struck me that there was no body out there who represented me. The majority in government and opposition have shown their true colours, all evil twats. I’ve done it again, me and my swearing, a new thing for me but it is the only thing that releases my stress/anger at the moment.

174391 ▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Mrs issedoff, 1, #717 of 1814 🔗

I don’t remember the Tories throwing any obstacles in the way of Blair’s wars. All of the worst ideas ever enacted were the result of a political consensus.

174455 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to AidanR, 1, #718 of 1814 🔗

Always worry when they start to agree. That counts double for the media.

174386 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #719 of 1814 🔗

Don’t worry Sam. We’ve already done a deal with Sturgeon & given the north to Scotland as a lump sum divorce payment.

174242 wendyk, #720 of 1814 🔗

https://unherd.com/2020/10/the-dangerous-politics-of-desire/

This is rather interesting, touching, as it does, on dating difficulties in the New Normal.

Posted as it relates to Love in a Covid Climate.

174250 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 3, #721 of 1814 🔗

I hope there is a resignation soon from the Tory front bench.

They are all useless really, but at least Sunak sees the merits of a functioning economy.

174277 ▶▶ CGL, replying to nickbowes, #722 of 1814 🔗

Well one with viable jobs anyway

174251 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #723 of 1814 🔗

Reply from my local PFCC about starting an investigation into treason:

Following conversations with my colleagues I believe the best place to direct your concerns to would be the Speaker of the House

Think I’ll do just that.

174257 ▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #724 of 1814 🔗

My MP. I’m considering writing to him.

174319 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Cicatriz, 3, #725 of 1814 🔗

May also write to the Defence Chiefs and her majesty now Charles is determined to stab her in the back as is fully paid up member of the WEF cabal.

174258 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #727 of 1814 🔗

Tobys words on Hancock in the Spectator show he’s not a betting man.

For me, I’d wager Hancock will one day be put in prison for his crimes. Otherwise we will be living in a world where this battle was lost, and I can’t bring myself to think that will happen.

Either he is doing porridge, or we will be living in a lockdown state where only our digital health ids can grant us a taste of the freedom we used to know.

174279 ▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #728 of 1814 🔗

Never going to happen. No one is accountable these days. The whole system is corrupt.

174382 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 2, #729 of 1814 🔗

Were they ever truly accountable in anyway proprtionate to the monstrousness and vast impact of decisions taken by people in power?

174611 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Seansaighdeoir, #730 of 1814 🔗

On the contrary, Gates and Nicole Junkermann will see that he is handsomely rewarded…

174282 ▶▶ alw, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #731 of 1814 🔗

He will get his comeuppance not a moment too soon.
https://youtu.be/kr04gHbP5MQ

174378 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #732 of 1814 🔗

He won’t be in prison. I don’t think anyone has ever ended up in prison for actions they took in office (in my lifetime anyway). Obvs perjury is a different matter – the only way anyone will see the inside of a cell is if they can be maneuvered into lying in court.

I don’t think any of this is going away any time soon. We might not like it but we need to adapt to survive IMO. It is possible. I know it’ll be a lot easier for introverts than it will be for extroverts, but it’s possible.

174260 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 7, #733 of 1814 🔗

And still these positive test results are being called ”cases”. Just a few thousand of the most dimwitted, though healthy, queuing up to get ‘tested’ and producing dodgy results.
”Cases” they’re most certainly NOT.

174270 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Banjones, 3, #734 of 1814 🔗

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12870293/86-tested-covid-positive-lockdown-no-official-symptoms/

86% of positive tests had no symptoms. Their response – test more!

174261 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 4, #735 of 1814 🔗

It seems that Carl Heneghan hasn’t signed the Great Barrington declaration.

https://gbdeclaration.org/view/signatures/?gv_search=Heneghan&mode=any

Does anyone know if there’s a particular reason for this?

174278 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to mattghg, 4, #736 of 1814 🔗

He’s been very quiet lately. Hopefully he’s working on something major to discredit the govt. I’m really surprised he hasn’t commented on the Excel spreadsheet case debacle.

174292 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #737 of 1814 🔗

Ah, good point. Yes, let’s hope so!

174324 ▶▶▶▶ Pebbles, replying to mattghg, 1, #738 of 1814 🔗

Yes hopefully and let’s hope he hasn’t been “put back in place” by someone or the powers that shouldn’t be…

174339 ▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Pebbles, 3, #739 of 1814 🔗

Doubt it. Just keeping his powder dry. Excel fiasco not worthy of any expert comment imo. The slightly more intelligent of my two dogs would have spotted that mistake before it happened.

174509 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to A. Contrarian, #740 of 1814 🔗

Gupta seems to be taking up the press appearances. Maybe he’s got some actual science work to do rather than doing the government’s work for them

174351 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to mattghg, 3, #741 of 1814 🔗

Maybe because if he had, he would be excluded from any more interviews with the government, and he maybe wants to keep trying to influence policy????

174272 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #742 of 1814 🔗

I like the conclusion in the BMJ article flagged earlier:

“Conclusions
It was predicted in March 2020 that in response to covid-19 a broad lockdown, as opposed to a focus on shielding the most vulnerable members of society, would reduce immediate demand for ICU beds at the cost of more deaths long term.

The optimal strategy for saving lives in a covid-19 epidemic is different from that anticipated for an influenza epidemic with a different mortality age profile.”

Sounds to me that it means that as covid-19 is so cunning, intelligent and attacks a different age group than influenza in general it outsmarted us and we got it wrong.

174345 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #743 of 1814 🔗

Now we know about the great rest, I am getting more suspicious that Covid 19 is a lab-engineered virus, because it clearly fits the goals of the great reset to get rid of the elderly, whilst sparing the young (who can be brainwashed and also be sterilised to reduce their numbers)…

174374 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Carrie, 2, #744 of 1814 🔗

I wouldn’t be surprised BUT I don’t think they would be that evil, it’s too much of a risk deliberately releasing a bio-weapon. It also add to the narrative that “IT” is really dangerous.

Also, the clumsy way this covid reset had been rolled out suggests to me they weren’t quite ready for it but decided to go live with the detection of a new virus doing the rounds, all be it a pretty crap one in reality. This is why they had to pump the death rates and lie their tits of. To make it look more scary than “IT” is.

I think they wanted a bit more time to get things a little more in-line before pulling the trigger. Maybey not.

174604 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Two-Six, #745 of 1814 🔗

They are biting off more than they can chew with the Great Reset thing. It has been very clumsily managed, you are right. So inappropriate to be yacking on about windfarms when the economy is fucked. Looks to me like a really ham-fisted attempt at trying to spin a positive story, but it’s gone down like a lead balloon.

174599 ▶▶▶ Allan Gay, replying to Carrie, 3, #746 of 1814 🔗

I believe it to be economic warfare.
The West is being defeated.
The virus is the tool.

174274 Janice21, replying to Janice21, 19, #747 of 1814 🔗

I am back working for a cancer charity since maternity leave. I spoke with a gentleman today who was due to have a scan and check up in May this year but was cancelled due to covid. His latest scan and check up in September now show that his cancer has not only came back, but spread to his liver and lungs so his prognosis is now terminal and he has been sent home with oral chemo medication. I cant help but wonder if he had his earlier routine check up could it have been caught in time.
Trust me when I say I am hearing increasing stories like this.
F**k you Covid

174286 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Janice21, 24, #748 of 1814 🔗

Covid didn’t screw that poor man. Lockdown did.

174290 ▶▶ EssieSW, replying to Janice21, 19, #749 of 1814 🔗

We had a client who had treatable cancer with a prognosis of several years, but their treatment was postponed in March due to lockdown.

They died last month.

I still do not know anyone who has been hospitalised with covid, let alone died from it.

174300 ▶▶▶ Janice21, replying to EssieSW, 14, #750 of 1814 🔗

That poor soul. I dont know anyone hospitalised or died of Covid either, but I have 1 friend who committed suicide in May because lockdown depressed him.
Its an absolute disgrace, I am so angry and upset right now at all of this.

174305 ▶▶▶▶ EssieSW, replying to Janice21, 8, #751 of 1814 🔗

I am very sorry to hear about your friend.

It is a disgrace and I don’t see an end to any of this madness. I do my best to stay positive but it feels like MSM are in overdrive at the moment with the propaganda, more so than before.

174311 ▶▶▶▶▶ Janice21, replying to EssieSW, 5, #752 of 1814 🔗

I agree, they keep bringing out more and more scaremongering with Lond Covid, increase cases, all whilst ignoring pleas from external scientists and experts. Very difficult to stay positive!

174360 ▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to EssieSW, 1, #753 of 1814 🔗

Get yourself some net-nanny software and set it to block all news and social media. It’s helped me to stay away from this stuff most of the time.

Makes my mind a far more peaceful and productive place.

Of course I can disable it any time I like, and swim with the sharks, but I have to actively enable this toxic content and recognise it as such.

174688 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to EssieSW, #754 of 1814 🔗

That’s because they know people are starting to see wat’s really going on. It’s a good sign!

174334 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to EssieSW, 4, #755 of 1814 🔗

Know of someone ( friend of my mum) in a similar position, who has just been told she has 2 months to live..

174348 ▶▶▶▶ Janice21, replying to Carrie, 3, #756 of 1814 🔗

Dear help her. You just cant help but wonder if this could have been prevented to some measure if the NHS was fully functioning like it should be now!

174303 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Janice21, 11, #757 of 1814 🔗

Surely at some point this kind of totally preventable suffering is going to reach a level where it cannot be ignored?

Seriously, if anyone spouts the bullshit narrative to my face, I will have a hard time restraining myself. It’s one of the reasons I never go anywhere these days.

The politicians and their compliant followers all have blood on their hands. Their ideology is murderous.

174321 ▶▶▶ Janice21, replying to Richard O, 10, #758 of 1814 🔗

Could not agree more. It feels like its only going to get worse when it comes to delayed NHS treatment and suicides (from job losses, isolation, fear …the list goes on…..). My Mother in Law is full of the bullshit narrative and I cant bear it when she mentions in in every phone conversation or text so I just ignore it. So many blindsided people have forgotten every other illness other than damn Covid. The MSM have a lot to answer for as well.

174352 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Janice21, 2, #759 of 1814 🔗

I hope you give your Mother in Law both barrels at every opportunity. If she is a true believer I would consider her an accessory to murder.

174314 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Janice21, 10, #760 of 1814 🔗

Should eb Fuck you gates, Johnson, Witty, hancock, Schwab, Ferguson, Fauci, Vallance et all.

Covid has nothing to do with it.

174397 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Janice21, 4, #761 of 1814 🔗

A close friend of a client of mine died two weeks ago for exactly this reason. Needless death. All people who delayed her check-ups must be held to account, from the top downwards. Tooth for tooth.

174275 chaos, replying to chaos, 7, #762 of 1814 🔗

I still can’t believe there has been a coup. A marxist faux green Davos billionaire coup.

174298 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to chaos, 5, #763 of 1814 🔗

It had already happened well before 2020.

174336 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to chaos, 3, #764 of 1814 🔗

It was apparently John Major who signed us up to this.. in 1992.

174844 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Carrie, #765 of 1814 🔗

Just as well our parliament cannot bind its successors, eh ? 🙂

174283 Iansn, replying to Iansn, 13, #766 of 1814 🔗

In answer to my query about how I received a txt from test and trace as my number is private they sent the following link. https://faq.covid19.nhs.uk/article/KA-01311/en-us
I have written to my GP to tell them my number is for confiential matters bewteen me and the surgery. I have asked them who my number and what other details have been forwarded to test and trace which is not a legal entity but a banner for Deloitte, G4S, Mitie and all the other big companies raking it in from this farce. I also asked why was this done without my consent. ‘ The Secretary of State decided that sending emails and text messages to individuals was a necessary and proportionate approach.’ The BS about the secretary of state deciding it was necessary! I told them as an adult I can make my own informed choices and do not need the secretary of state to tell me what I should or should not do for my own benefit. The companies involved have got a gold mine of information whcih 100% for sure they will use what ever they signed to say they wont. The Secretary of State is a fucking idiot for passing my data to the contractor, I bet the boards all pissed themselves laughing when they heard Wancock had approved this. I have already received a txt from a business I do not know and has no way of knowing me. I am going to follow this up after the GP has responded.

174294 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Iansn, 3, #767 of 1814 🔗

‘Proportionate’. The new ‘only following orders’.

174347 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #768 of 1814 🔗

Proportionate! Our politicians don’t know the meaning of the word, most of us have been screaming out for some proportionality all year!

174327 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Iansn, 3, #769 of 1814 🔗

Please make sure Simon Dolan knows about this!

174359 ▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to Iansn, 1, #770 of 1814 🔗

So The Secretary of State is above the law then?

174631 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Cicatriz, 1, #771 of 1814 🔗

It would seem so…

174682 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cicatriz, 1, #772 of 1814 🔗

He obviously thinks so!

174381 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Iansn, 2, #773 of 1814 🔗

Ahh…..that would explain the very strange text I received the other day. I often get calls from strange numbers (which I don’t answer), but never before texts.

I initially received an email from, (I thought), the NHS followed up last week by a text. I had no idea there was a third party involved.

Jesus Fucking Christ!

174284 NappyFace, replying to NappyFace, #774 of 1814 🔗

Manchester students in ICU from Covid apparently.

Would be good to know how this can be fact checked.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/manchester-students-in-intensive-care-19068537

174299 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to NappyFace, 5, #775 of 1814 🔗

And we had a 21 year old girl who died of ‘it’ with no pre existing conditions. Then it turned out she had a heart attack.

174309 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Sam Vimes, 6, #776 of 1814 🔗

As someone posted on here, a healthy immune system should be apt at fighting off a virus. If it is not capable then that is an underlying condition of sorts. Either poor lifestyle or an invisible condition that compromises their system.

174355 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Sarigan, #777 of 1814 🔗

Sudden death syndrome?

174701 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Sam Vimes, #778 of 1814 🔗

Wearing a face covering for hours could have been a factor in causing her to have a heart attack.

174307 ▶▶ John Galt, replying to NappyFace, 7, #779 of 1814 🔗

Just from the language alone you can tell it’s nonsense.

We are not blaming you but we want you to know you are not invincible

One medic says some of the city’s youngest residents are “getting quite ill”.

“Coronavirus can affect all ages, it doesn’t discriminate,” he says.

youngsters are not being spared.

So we have a sourceless news article where the content of the entire article is “youngsters need to be scared of this virus”. They also talk in general, without specifics, about how youngsters are “quite ill” and “some are even in intensive care”. Absolute rubbish.

174317 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to John Galt, 5, #780 of 1814 🔗

Within the definitions of a case, anyone can be in ICU with Covid.

It’s the case definition which is the key.

174330 ▶▶▶▶ John Galt, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #781 of 1814 🔗

Yes, that’s my point. They’re speaking in such generalities because if they were more specific it would be clear they were talking absolute rubbish.

174385 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #782 of 1814 🔗

In the ICU because of cancer, heart attack stroke..

but WITH Covid.

174332 ▶▶ stewart, replying to NappyFace, 2, #783 of 1814 🔗

The article says that some people get quite ill, even young people.
Could be talking about the flu.

174392 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to stewart, 2, #784 of 1814 🔗

I got ‘quite ill’ when I was a young person. 25% chance of dying. Didn’t stop me going out partying, clubbing and getting drunk with my mates. Life is suffering. But Life is also a lot of fun. They should be making the most of it while they still can. Stopping them doing so is a crime.

174679 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to NappyFace, #785 of 1814 🔗

What does “getting quite ill” mean?
Influenza can make anyone feel like sh*t for several days!
With flu, you just went to bed and slept yourself better. At the moment, people are more likely to assume it’s covid and rush off to hospital.
Funny how ICUs weren’t full of students last April!

174308 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 12, #786 of 1814 🔗

I now believe the Government is operating scorched earth policy like in warfare when you re in retreat and want to leave nothing of value to aid your enemies.

Only thing that explains their actions now.

Plus sad one from a friend who live sin Middlesborough:

I have stopped going in the pub I have gone in for 40 years as 1 person per table the manager said it will close for good “



174365 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Awkward Git, 6, #787 of 1814 🔗

How very accurate. This is now total warfare.

I wonder where the criminals will be retreating to? I suspect they are all jostling for places on a selection of privately owned tropical islands after their getaway.

174422 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Richard O, 2, #788 of 1814 🔗

To Epstein’s Island or Australia or NZ is my bet.

174635 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Awkward Git, #789 of 1814 🔗

I saw a video where it was claimed that a whole load of celebrities named in Epstein’s book have fled to NZ to escape justice…

174484 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #790 of 1814 🔗

That much was obvious when they brought in the quarantine policy.
Travel,Aviation now hospitality and all the attendant industries.What do they think will be left after Christmas.
The scale of economic damage is terrifying.

174316 kf99, replying to kf99, 5, #791 of 1814 🔗

Neil Oliver on again today – twice in two days. He’s getting angry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rDM9EXVOLg&ab_channel=talkRADIO

174424 ▶▶ RickH, replying to kf99, 4, #792 of 1814 🔗

Neil Oliver hasn’t yet got to the point of realising that the basic narrative – the serious and ‘unprecedented’ nature of the virus – is a load of shite. But he’s really good on the insanity of the measures, and the barminess of the Mad Wee Krankie.

A brilliant section about the flattening of Clydebank during the war in comparison with the lack of real leadership now. His articulate, felt anger is impressive.

Then they get round to a fundamental issue : the rot that comes from a lack of opposition.- although he’s a bit sanguine about the difference with Westminster.

Good stuff that shows up the BBC very badly.

174318 chaos, replying to chaos, 7, #793 of 1814 🔗

Kier isn’t going to vote against 10pm curfew.

So. Is he allowing the tories to anhilate themselves?
Or is he in on the WEF great reset?

174329 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to chaos, 8, #794 of 1814 🔗

Sadly, he doesn’t seem to have really got the hang of this “opposition” thing.

174340 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Chicot, #795 of 1814 🔗

Oh I don’t know… I think he’s biding his time.

174333 ▶▶ John P, replying to chaos, 2, #796 of 1814 🔗

I expect they will abstain.

I think with regard to the WEF, it’s not so much that they are “taking orders”, more that Boris and his Consocialist cabal buy into these sorts of ideas.

174335 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to chaos, 6, #797 of 1814 🔗

Kier/Labour, by not being a proper opposition to the Conservatives are just as guilty in the decimation of our economy and way of life. Do not vote for either of these 2 parties ever again.

174338 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to chaos, 5, #798 of 1814 🔗

Yes. To both. They’re not mutually exclusive.

Never interfere with your enemy when he is in the process of destroying himself.

Whatever you think of Starmer, he’s clearly no fool.

174358 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to AidanR, 1, #799 of 1814 🔗

Agree. He is playing his optimal strategy very well, in my view, and I am certainly no Labour supporter.

174627 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #800 of 1814 🔗

I got the impression he’s been lulling Johnson into a false sense of security and will pull the rug when the time is right. I hope I’m correct!

174343 ▶▶ stewart, replying to chaos, 2, #801 of 1814 🔗

The Labour Party’s position right now is to let the conservatives take all the responsibility for the corona crisis. They are not going to do anything that actually determines a decision.

Their position is that it is a really serious threat and the government is not doing enough. By abstaining on everything they agree to things being done, but leave themselves the door to criticise that it’s not enough.

That is all that needs to be said about Labour.

174372 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to stewart, #802 of 1814 🔗

I don’t think we can rely on Labour to help our cause. The only way out of this is for the PM to quit or be ousted.

174431 ▶▶▶ Recusant, replying to stewart, 1, #803 of 1814 🔗

Then they will bang on about how “patriotic” they are even though they abandoned their country in its hour of need because it was expedients.

Slimeballs.

174361 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to chaos, 2, #804 of 1814 🔗

Both

174642 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to chaos, #805 of 1814 🔗

John Major signed the UK up to the great reset – changing our leader will not make any difference to the policy..

174325 John P, replying to John P, 6, #806 of 1814 🔗

A little plug for Talk Radio. Julia Hartley-Brewer in conversation with sceptic Iain Duncan Smith:

https://twitter.com/talkRADIO/status/1314106519823187970

I didn’t think much of him when he was Tory Party leader. How I wish he was PM now!

174370 ▶▶ Julian, replying to John P, 1, #807 of 1814 🔗

Is he a proper sceptic now? He didn’t vote against the renewal of the Coronavirus Act.

174410 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Julian, 1, #808 of 1814 🔗

From what I heard from him, he is an example of what the ‘rebels’ would end up doing if they were given the opportunity. Speaking of the 10pm curfew, he thinks having a half hour window where restaurants and pubs could gradually allow people to leave is something more palatable. All of these MPs bar a few are still on board with the ‘we must do something’ bandwagon regarding restrictive measures.

174621 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to jb12, #809 of 1814 🔗

He began by pointing out that we’d already reached the peak before the first lockdown.
They were both a bit keen on the antisocial distancing measures for my taste but I guess it’s a start.

174411 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to John P, 2, #810 of 1814 🔗

I did enjoy that interview, nice to see such a ‘big name’ questioning government policy. He was a bit wishy washy on masks though, pretty much admitting they were to make people feel better but also saying they were very important alongside hand washing. JHB let it slide.

174613 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to John P, #811 of 1814 🔗

A lot of common sense from IDS.
Didn’t like JHB’s closing comments about supporting pubs etc that are strict on following antisocial distancing guidelines but I guess she can’t stick her neck out too far yet.

174326 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 12, #812 of 1814 🔗

Good article by someone who, like me, has been shocked by Johnson’s conference speech:

Johnson, in his speech yesterday, showed he’s a fully-signed up ‘Great Resetter’. It was, for me, the most chilling oration ever made by any British prime minister at a party conference.

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/502795-boris-johnson-uk-great-reset/

174341 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Barney McGrew, 4, #813 of 1814 🔗

I read that yesterday. Seems a pretty accurate summary of what’s happening to me. Neil Clark is a journalist with some balls. Or at least, minimal editorial censoring.

174466 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to leggy, 2, #814 of 1814 🔗

Until now, I’ve been very focused on the technical and scientific aspects, the modelling and so on, and I’ve found the government’s determination to trash the economy infuriating and baffling. But Johnson’s speech brings the truth out into the open. Suddenly it all falls into place.

For me, it’s a bit like having a mysterious illness diagnosed. It’s bad news, but at the same time, we know where we stand and it’s kind of a relief.

Other mysterious things may fall into place. Why is HS2 being pushed through at all costs? Anything to do with creating a managed travel corridor between the ‘human habitation zones’ that these people envisage?

174592 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #815 of 1814 🔗

Stuff of nightmares!

174589 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Barney McGrew, 3, #816 of 1814 🔗

I watched the post mortem on UK Column yesterday. As they showed a clip, I thought there was no way that de Piffle had written that speech.
UKC went on to show how every word had been carefully chosen by the Behavioural Insights Team. Insidious stuff!

174689 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Cheezilla, #817 of 1814 🔗

Thanks for the tip. Until now, I’ve felt squeamish watching that programme – for fear it might make me a ‘conspiracy theorist’ – but I think it’s pretty certain they’ve been largely right all along.

174328 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 4, #818 of 1814 🔗

African faith leaders call on Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation to change funding focus

In an Open Letter , coordinated by the Southern African Faith Communities’ Environment Institute (SAFCEI), to the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, faith leaders in Africa express their concerns over the Gates-led Alliance for a Green Revolution’s (AGRA) support for the expansion of intensive farming methods, which reduces ecosystem resilience and increases food insecurity.

It calls for support for a return to regenerative agro-ecological models of agriculture in order to promote traditional community-based farming systems that rely on seed saving and sharing along with the promotion of biodiversity to provide African peoples with “… an affordable, nutritious diverse, chemical-free and culturally appropriate diet” .

The maintenance of layers of biodiversity in our agricultural systems and surrounding environment is essential to maintain balance and stop individual species taking over to the detriment of another.

https://www.anhinternational.org/news/news-alerts-week-41-2020/

174581 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Victoria, 1, #819 of 1814 🔗

Gates-led Alliance for a Green Revolution’s (AGRA) support for the expansion of intensive farming methods, which reduces ecosystem resilience and increases food insecurity .

In a nutshell.
Guess who was behind last year’s egregious Eat Lancet report. Plant-based diet indeed!

174644 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Cheezilla, #820 of 1814 🔗

Gates is planning to MASSIVELY cut (cull) the world’s population via vaccines..

174331 Roadrash, replying to Roadrash, 5, #821 of 1814 🔗

//:0 //:0 Just received an invitation from the ONS to take part in their testing programme involving up to 16 visits over the course of a year. They call it a survey. More like a cunningly worded bribe to invite more lockdowns. £50 for 1st visit and £25 for each visit thereafter per household member or £425 each. I don’t know how many if my neighbours have received this but I guarantee there will be a significant take up at those prices and a consequent increase in positive tests from those who didn’t know they had it.

174354 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Roadrash, 3, #822 of 1814 🔗

these letters have been coming out for over a month now .. lots of people on here have had them . I had one in August.
I found a use for it .. It was soft and so absorbent

174367 ▶▶▶ Roadrash, replying to mjr, 2, #823 of 1814 🔗

Tried it. The paper was a bit too harsh for my liking.

174368 ▶▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Roadrash, 2, #824 of 1814 🔗

Cat litter tray liner.

174383 ▶▶▶ Michael C, replying to mjr, 1, #825 of 1814 🔗

In fact I took part in this testing survey as far back as May (it’s clearly being constantly expanded) and the first invitation letters went out in April. It’s an ONS/Oxford Uni project which should, as well as the swab test, include a blood test for antibodies but that test has not yet started!! I did one test, collected £50 and bought four excellent new books that I had had my eyes on!

174356 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Roadrash, 3, #826 of 1814 🔗

Uggh the money tree just continue giving …. or our taxes going up and up and up

174389 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Roadrash, 4, #827 of 1814 🔗

I’ve said it before, we are being run by a gang of mafia thugs here. Murder, bribery, extortion, blackmail and fraud are standard operating practices.

We live in a one party state. The Racketeering Party.

174390 ▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Roadrash, 3, #828 of 1814 🔗

Let me put in a word for the ONS, an organisation which I feels deserves some credit. They are doing their best to provide impartial and objective information by testing a random sample of the population to assess such rather important things as following up positive tests to see whether they are followed by symptoms. Whatever your views are, helping to get impartial evidence to support your case is a cause worth considering. I really do not think they are doing this to try and lockdown your home town …

174349 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #829 of 1814 🔗

Whenever I link to this site, the people I’m sending it to don’t get past the name. The word conspiracy usually follows.

Shame because this place THE place to come for updates. Is it worth considering a tactical rebrand?

174353 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #830 of 1814 🔗

You can’t convert those people even with another fancy name.

174376 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Victoria, -1, #831 of 1814 🔗

I suspect you are all right however, what is the harm in being pragmatic about it?

174557 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Victoria, #832 of 1814 🔗

Some are way beyond hope.
With others, however, you’d stand a better chance if you could get them past the header.

174364 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #833 of 1814 🔗

The name seems pretty neutral to me. Where are they getting “conspiracy” from?

174371 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Julian, 2, #834 of 1814 🔗

Anything that goes against their narrow prejudicial views is conspiracy, I’m guessing.

174375 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #835 of 1814 🔗

Conspiracy is anything that deviates from the maainstream

174388 ▶▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to Julian, 4, #836 of 1814 🔗

Disagrees with their position, therefore conspiracy. You don’t need to think about anything after that.

174420 ▶▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to Cicatriz, 1, #837 of 1814 🔗

Yep just say the C word and the kryptonite effect shuts their thinking minds right off.

174380 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #838 of 1814 🔗

I normally make it very clear that Toby is specifically not a believer of conspiracy theories. But I still don’t think anyone wants to challenge their so very distorted and misinformed views. That or they simply don’t have any views – staggering as that may sound. I was in the office yesterday and was of course blathering on about tests etc etc. The lady I was talking to said she doesn’t even think about it but maybe she should (Ya think????). She’s a lovely lady but simply has no concept of the enormity of what will happen in the next few months – to her it’s just a temporary thing and when it’s over the country will just bounce back.

174444 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to CGL, 3, #839 of 1814 🔗

It’s too honest a name. In times when 2+2=4 can get you into hot water, maybe a bit of cleverness is in order? We could even start gaslighting the fuckers like they have us – call it Covid News or such?

174416 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #840 of 1814 🔗

Interesting isn’t it. We spend all day poring over every detail of the state and mainstream media narrative to the point where we know it inside out, way better than any of its supporters do. All they know are the catchy slogans.

Yet they dismiss anything presented that might contain a viewpoint contrary to theirs before they have even looked at it.

I’m sick and tired of making excuses for them. These people are weak scum, and they are going to destroy the species.

174442 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Tom Blackburn, #841 of 1814 🔗

I would assume that the term “Sceptics” would tend to put off remainers but not have that effect on brexiteers or the uncommitted on that issue. Presumably Toby chose it very much with euroscepticism in mind.

I don’t see how “Lockdown Sceptics” has any implication of conspiracism whatsoever, tbh.

174532 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to Mark, 1, #842 of 1814 🔗

Several (Julia H-B for example) will start sentences with “I’m not a lockdown sceptic, but” it’s almost become synonymous with conspiracy theory

174640 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to matt, #843 of 1814 🔗

In that case it’s not really so much that it’s synonymous with conspiracy theory, surely, but rather that it’s regarded as the extreme wing of doubters, surely?

Which is fair enough and not necessarily a bad thing.

Bearing in mind that in the circles JHB moves in, Toby is well known, personally.

174552 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tom Blackburn, #844 of 1814 🔗

I’d been thinking that recently. Sending a linked article with “Lockdown Sceptics” as the first thing they see isn’t going to help convert the wavering.

174716 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Tom Blackburn, #845 of 1814 🔗

Not really surprised, sad though it is to say. Some don’t do us any favours, as I’ve mentioned before.

174812 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Nick Rose, #846 of 1814 🔗

Some don’t yet understand the real situation either, as has been mentioned before. 🙂

174350 Victoria, 5, #847 of 1814 🔗

Is project fear losing its grip?

It’s been another ‘punchbag week’ here in the UK. You know those weeks when you feel as if you’ve taken so many blows to the head you wonder how you’re still standing? But standing we are, and standing we will continue to be. And so many are now standing alongside us with many more joining daily as the realisation hits them that government agendas may present a more pervasive risk than any virus right now.

This last week in the UK has seen citizen restrictions tighten without sufficient scientific basis (based on PCR-assessed infections, not disease) – or seeming logic; parliamentary bills, that would have MPs from the past turning in their graves, sail through parliament with narry a whisper of opposition; Downing St rubbish the call from nearly 10,000 scientific and medical experts (and over 90k citizens) to change the approach to the pandemic; and notice that a town near you may soon be policed by new AI-powered surveillance cameras to monitor social distancing. Oh, and of course, let’s not forget the new test and vaccine passports. For those of us who thought we were living in a free and democratic society, there are enough body blows in that little list to fell an ox. However, we must draw heart from history and remember that despite a tsunami of challenges, it’s the straight stick that remains standing. Even if it takes time and the going gets really rough.

Highly recommended to subscribe to the ANH International newsletter

https://www.anhinternational.org

174363 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 3, #848 of 1814 🔗

 Will science and law be our oppressors or our saviour? Scientific and legal anti-lockdown movement builds momentum

https://www.anhinternational.org/news/will-science-and-law-be-our-oppressors-or-our-saviour/

174771 ▶▶ Melangell, replying to Victoria, #849 of 1814 🔗

Wow – thanks for posting this, Victoria! Looks like a wonderful website. Do you know who’s behind it?

174806 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Melangell, #850 of 1814 🔗

anh used to be Alliance for Natural Health – good dudes.

174384 Victoria, 3, #851 of 1814 🔗

From conspiracy theory to conspiracy reality – Health Passports
Social media posts suggesting that your right to travel might be curtailed if you can’t prove you’ve been vaccinated with one of the expectant, ‘approved’ Covid-19 vaccines were, until recently, being pulled for contravening ‘community standards’ (i.e. they were categorised as conspiracy theory or fake news).

CommonPass , funded by the Rockefeller Foundation and launched by the World Economic Forum and Commons Project Foundation, has come to fruition.

Trials begin this week in London, New York, Hong Kong and Singapore. It’s described as “ a digital health platform designed to enable smooth passage during the pandemic by allowing travellers to carry their Covid-19 test results in a standardised, global format, thus easing international air travel .”

CommonPass doesn’t try to hide its intent to enforce vaccination on those who choose or need to travel by simply preventing the unvaccinated from travelling.

Security insider, Brad Perkins, who headed up CDC’s anthrax investigation after 9/11 and served as CDC’s Chief Strategy and Innovation Officer from 2005 to 2009, made an important clarification in his piece in the UK’s Telegraph, saying, “ The added benefit of cross-border trust for test results is that it lays groundwork for inclusion of Covid-19 vaccination as part of health status .”

National Geographic published an article on 29th September that looks at the opaque privacy issues that will face travellers as app-based surveillance continues to expand. If you’re concerned, you better delete all apps you’re not using and turn off location services when you’re not using them – just for starters.

But what happens if you don’t want to be vaccinated, or you’re not deemed sufficiently worthy?
Recall the FT’s interview with Kate Bingham, head of the UK’s Vaccine Taskforce, when she said there’s only going to be enough vaccine in the UK for those deemed at greatest risk, namely “ the old, vulnerable and those working in healthcare settings ”.
Was this genuine or part of an elaborate psychological trick based on creating an illusion of scarcity so as to fuel demand?

Anyway, if you’re able to get travel clearance by simply demonstrating immunity, whether achieved by naturally-acquired infection or vaccination, Covid parties, along the lines of old-fashioned chicken pox parties, will inevitably become de rigeur among some groups of healthy people. But attempting to recruit people to such parties won’t be as easy as it might have been, given the current state of digital authoritarianism , which has already led to bans of such content . Street party anyone?

https://www.anhinternational.org/news/will-science-and-law-be-our-oppressors-or-our-saviour/

174393 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 6, #852 of 1814 🔗

So another 70 dead and another 17,500 “cases”. I do not trust these dodgy numbers but plenty will unfortunately.

174405 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to nickbowes, 2, #853 of 1814 🔗

The other one that people soak up is the deaths from flu, pneumonia vs. Covid. Anyone with any common sense whatsoever should question what the usual annual figures would be and then question the laughable low amount of flu deaths.

It almost seems like they deliberately counter with opposite articles:

https://metro.co.uk/2020/07/22/nearly-three-times-people-dying-flu-pneumonia-coronavirus-13021417/

174432 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Sarigan, 3, #854 of 1814 🔗

There is a guy who designed the John Hopkins database (which he says is being misused) who has been doing some very good data analysis on ‘Covid’ figures and the Influenza link. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_zRSb7t0Eg

174413 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to nickbowes, 8, #855 of 1814 🔗

Found out a terminally ill client had ‘Covid-19’ put on their death certificate. I wonder how much of this medical fraud is still going on. I also personally also know of someone who was admitted to hospital for heart condition and funnily enough died of ‘Covid-19’. I am very suspicious of the testing and doctors ethics.

174534 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Darryl, 1, #856 of 1814 🔗

The senior doctor’s letter in today’s update confirms your suspicions.

174572 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #857 of 1814 🔗

I also know they were using dental students to go out and sign off death certificates at nursing homes as the doctors wouldn’t attend. There has been an unbelievable level of fraud going on. I suspect the dragging out of the ‘crisis’ is intentionally to cover up what went on especially in the early days.

174437 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to nickbowes, 6, #858 of 1814 🔗

According to the NHS site 54 had died from the 28 of September to the 6th of October. Only 16 from Yorkshire and the North East but you’d think they were piling bodies up on street corners the way our scum government and media are going on. WTF!

174394 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 8, #859 of 1814 🔗

Response from my MP. To paraphrase “go away, pleb”:

Dear Ms kh

Thank you for your e-mail.

I regret you feel ‘disgusted’ by the government’s handling of what has been the largest public health emergency to face the modern world. The measures introduced, or reintroduced, as the case may be, to suppress the virus have always been underpinned by the latest scientific advice provided to the government by the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies who, between them, have hundreds of years’ experience in responding to public health emergencies. To suggest, therefore, that the response has in some way been arbitrary, is wholly inaccurate.

While I know some perceive the threat posed by the coronavirus to be negligible, what we must remember is that what is one person’s mild cough can be another’s death knell. This is a point the Prime Minister has reiterated time and again because, sadly, it is the reality of the virus. Though I recognise you do not agree.

Rest assured, your comments and concerns are noted.

Thank you for taking the time to contact me on this issue.

Kind regards

174402 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to kh1485, 3, #860 of 1814 🔗

I have an image of a school marm figure holding a little red hand bag up to her bossom and going “ooooooooh”

174407 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to kh1485, 6, #861 of 1814 🔗

Ask her what “it was conjured up out of nowhere” has to do with the latest scientific advice.

Copyright Professor Robert Dingwall on the social distancing policy.
.

174419 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to kh1485, 9, #862 of 1814 🔗

If this “ largest public health emergency to face the modern world” didn’t have a name we wouldn’t even know it was going on at the moment. And to talk of “hundreds of years of experience.”

This MP is a grade-A moron.

174427 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Recusant, 12, #863 of 1814 🔗

I am so bloody angry at her response. Quite frankly, I’d have preferred it if she’d ignored my e-mail. So bloody patronising. Still, what do you expect from someone who was parachuted into a safe seat with a huge majority and, as somone on FB said yesterday, is just using it as a stepping stone to further her career as she has absolutely zero interest in the constituency.

174697 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to kh1485, #864 of 1814 🔗

Sometimes I think BSE is now NW Essex.
Same MP situation here.

174439 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to kh1485, 4, #865 of 1814 🔗

Make sure that she never gets re-elected.

174451 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to kh1485, 5, #866 of 1814 🔗

Drives me nuts the “ what we must remember is that what is one person’s mild cough can be another’s death knell.”. How?

174459 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to arfurmo, 2, #867 of 1814 🔗

I know, patronising claptrap. The sneering contempt just oozes out of her response.

174526 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to kh1485, 4, #868 of 1814 🔗

Vomit vomit vomit!

Do you think she actually believes a word of her own sanctimonious claptrap?

174540 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #869 of 1814 🔗

Exactly, Cheezilla … They are so effing up themselves in their little Westminster bubble.

174586 ▶▶ RickH, replying to kh1485, 2, #870 of 1814 🔗

What an ignoramus. Would that he were unusual.

174396 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 23, #871 of 1814 🔗

Disappointed to receive a complaint because I took my mask off when assessing a 9 month old. I didn’t wear gloves either, which appears to be on a risk assessment basis

174403 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to p02099003, 9, #872 of 1814 🔗

Screw ’em.

174404 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to p02099003, 7, #873 of 1814 🔗

Mental.

174409 ▶▶ Peter Thompson, replying to p02099003, 17, #874 of 1814 🔗

The mask Stasi are always ready to pounce. Most have been educated by the media to denounce anyone who breaks the arbitrary rule. Up until June 2020 the government told the public that mask wearing actually was harmful . The WHO changed its advice for political reasons and since then the mask fanatics have ruled pretty much everywhere apart from Sweden.

Many people have asked the UK government for the evidence that supported this change ; the government up until now have produced none.

174423 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to p02099003, 7, #875 of 1814 🔗

Sad! These individuals are so indoctrinated.

174406 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 3, #876 of 1814 🔗

Over 17000 “cases” today. Are they force testing the majority of students now?

174412 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Tenchy, 3, #877 of 1814 🔗

Probably not needing to force them. Students love free stuff.

174414 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to Tenchy, 2, #878 of 1814 🔗

Yes sounds like they are – 1000 cases at Newcastle Uni

174494 ▶▶ matt, replying to Tenchy, 3, #879 of 1814 🔗

In most cases, yes, I think. Sometimes many times over, since you need to get a negative test to be given parole on the incarceration you get after your positive test.

174408 Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 4, #880 of 1814 🔗

Getting predictable now. Yawn… Wales is next on the prohibitionist hit list:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-54461158

174441 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Mr Dee, 4, #881 of 1814 🔗

It’s so obvious but people still persist in believing it’s all down to incompetence

174603 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #882 of 1814 🔗

Some people think it’s still for our benefit!

174415 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #883 of 1814 🔗

Former ministers to hold ‘rapid’ inquiry into government’s Covid-19 response
A pair of Conservative former ministers have announced they are to lead a rapid, cross-party investigation into the UK’s handling of the coronavirus crisis, amid worries a government inquiry will take too long for lessons to be learned in time.
In a rare set of joint hearings, the Commons health committee, led by ex-health secretary Jeremy Hunt , and the science committee, chaired by Greg Clark, who was business secretary, are to hear from witnesses in the hope of producing a report by the spring.
Announcing the plan, Hunt and Clark said the inquiry would aim to produce interim recommendations along the way. It will hold weekly joint sessions, with early witnesses set to include Chris Whitty, the chief medical officer for England, and Patrick Vallance, the government’s top scientific adviser.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/oct/08/tory-ministers-to-hold-rapid-inquiry-into-governments-covid-19-response

174435 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #884 of 1814 🔗

Jeremy Hunt – pleaseeee. This will be a total white wash – The inquiry should be done by independents (same as the independent group in Germany. although self appointed)

174516 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Victoria, 2, #885 of 1814 🔗

I’d like to make it very clear that I wouldn’t trust *unt as far as I could throw him.

174436 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #886 of 1814 🔗

Hunt was the Health Secretary when Exercise Cygnus found that in the event of a pandemic the NHS would be overwhelmed. Instead of increasing NHS capacity, it was cut and emergency legislation (which subsequently became the authoritarian Coronavirus Act) was drafted.

174452 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #887 of 1814 🔗

Repost from yesterday:

Hunt : “Is the government right about everything?”
Minister : “Yes”
Hunt : “Thank you very much minister, that will be all”

174489 ▶▶ matt, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #888 of 1814 🔗

I would be more interested in this if it weren’t led by Jeremy Hunt. From everything I’ve seen, his only criticism is that everything should have been done sooner and more efficiently.

Also, he doesn’t have the power to pass a capital sentence.

174520 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Cheezilla, #889 of 1814 🔗

Hunt is an idiot.

He thinks social distancing is all and has been since 16th march, he said this in a televised hearing as the Chair of the committee.

He also never questioned Whitty on his statement that all was under control before March 23rd so it seems like an arse covering exercise.

I can even post the letter I sent to him and Dean Russell asking about these points and no-one answered.

Maybe worth resending now to jog his memory.

174530 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #890 of 1814 🔗

Britain looks more like a banana republic every day.

174582 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Cheezilla, #891 of 1814 🔗

This is the job that the opposition should be doing – but there’s too little brainpower or integrity to fulfil the role.

174628 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Cheezilla, #892 of 1814 🔗

Answer: Why not harder and earlier, the only one they’ve got.

174417 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 34, #893 of 1814 🔗

The Science
Lockdowns – zero evidence.
Social distancing – made up.
Face masks – no evidence.
PCR test – unreliable.
Rule of Six – made up.
Ten o’clock curfew – made up.
Masks required when standing but not when seated – made up.
Use of hand sanitisers – no evidence.
Use of propaganda to control behaviour – a hundred years of evidence.
The only science the government is following is the science of its behavioural experts.

174428 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #894 of 1814 🔗

You forgot to put “experts” in quotes.

174457 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Tenchy, 11, #895 of 1814 🔗

Oh, they know about stuff like Edward Bernays’ work, the Milgram experiments, the Stanford Prison study, the Asch conformity experiments, the ease with which Germans were led to denounce their fellow citizens, the cognitive biases that make emotive rhetoric so much more persuasive than reason and evidence, etc. They are experts, just not in anything social useful or moral.

174525 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Steve Hayes, #896 of 1814 🔗

All good. Except hand sanitisers. Plenty of evidence that hand washing is very helpful.

174583 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to stewart, 6, #897 of 1814 🔗

Except it should be with soap and hot water, not the sanitisers.

175729 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to stewart, #898 of 1814 🔗

Hand sanitisers does not refer to washing one’s hands with soap and water.

174601 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #899 of 1814 🔗

Political opposition – non existent
Media – useless

174418 Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 7, #900 of 1814 🔗

And indications that some schools are seeing through the bullshit:
NHS Covid-19 app: Why are some teachers being told not to use it?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-54465356

174456 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Mr Dee, 3, #901 of 1814 🔗

This though:

“I am in a school with about 75-80% black African heritage intake, so our demographic is at very high risk.

I think that it has already been established that BAME might not be the risk factor it was thought to be because of mis-recording the cause of death to avoid autopsy and allow the body to be buried/cremated in accordance with prevailing religious belief.

174497 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #902 of 1814 🔗

Also:

The pharmaceuticals firm GlaxoSmithKline has told staff to switch off the contact tracing function that allows the NHS test-and-trace app to monitor the spread of Covid-19 while at work in case it is “disruptive” to business, the Guardian has learned.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/oct/06/gsk-tells-staff-turn-off-covid-test-trace-app-work

Worth a read for GSK’s blatant disengenuousness!

174421 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 9, #903 of 1814 🔗

Latest NHS England stats total number of Covid patients in English hospital rose from 2944 yesterday to 3044 today an increase of 100. So yes an increase but less than we have been seeing and quite within the capacity of the NHS to cope. I would suspect that increases like that are not unknown in autumn?
It is also interesting to note that hospital covid admissions have been running at 400 – 500 per day but even allowing for deaths the total number in hospital does not go up by anything like the admissions figures, which indicates that a lot of Covid-19 patients are getting better and being discharged but we are never given a direct figure on discharges, you have to work it out from the other figures.
All in all I would say little sign yet of the NHS getting anywhere near being overwhelmed this autumn!

174438 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Steve Martindale, 7, #904 of 1814 🔗

Yes, but were the ‘covid patients’ admitted because of Covid, or were they admitted for something else and subsequently ‘tested positive’, thereby becoming ‘covid patients’?

174443 ▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to calchas, 3, #905 of 1814 🔗

Exactly.

174446 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to calchas, #906 of 1814 🔗

Who knows? the NHS England data sheet gives the definition as
Daily count of confirmed COVID-19 patients in hospital at midnight the preceding night.
I know no more than that wording on the NHS data sheet.

174467 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #907 of 1814 🔗

As I posted before, a colleague’s two year old needed a minor op due to shutting her hand in a door – mandatory covid test. Suspect everyone admitted to hospital for any reason is now tested, so given false positives and general prevalance, covid “admissions” will just track a combination of general hospital admissions and virus prevalence, regardless of what they are actually ill with.

174476 ▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Julian, 3, #908 of 1814 🔗

Yes, definitely test required before any planned admission for some time now

174575 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #909 of 1814 🔗

Covid patients” = Patients who have tested positive for certain RNA fragments.

Lets be clear.

174425 Laura Suckling, replying to Laura Suckling, 20, #910 of 1814 🔗

Someone needs to point out the following:

Chris Whitty – is Chief Medical Officer NOT Chief Covid Officer
Patrick Vallance – is Chief Scientific Advisor NOT Chief Covid Advisor
Matt Hancock – is Secretary of State for Health and Social Care NOT Secretary of State for Covid Care

There are other problems, medical and social apart from Covid and they are being neglected.

174429 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to Laura Suckling, 12, #911 of 1814 🔗

Hancock is Minister of Death !

174433 ▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to nickbowes, 3, #912 of 1814 🔗

Yes, he is.

174529 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Laura Suckling, 2, #913 of 1814 🔗

The way they are handling this problem it might be an idea not to let them near any other problems

174680 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Major Panic, 1, #914 of 1814 🔗

Or even near anything that isn’t a problem.

174570 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Laura Suckling, 4, #915 of 1814 🔗

Vallance, Whitty, Van Tam (and probably Uncle Tom Cobley if he’s advising government) – all part of the Big Pharma Gravy Train

174426 Scouse Sceptic, 3, #916 of 1814 🔗

Nice to see some MPs are finding a good alternative use for masks
https://twitter.com/likelaughter/status/1314161659078942721

174430 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 7, #917 of 1814 🔗

For some organisations and individuals, this “farce” is a Godsend.
Want to sack people without a valid reason:Blame CV.
Useless at your job: “Sorry, I can’t do that, I’m working from home, etc: Blame CV.
I’m sure my fellow sceptics can think of other excuses.
This is not an attack on genuine businesses who are going bankrupt and the thousands,perhaps millions of people who are losing their jobs.

174450 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #918 of 1814 🔗

To be fair though, this often happens during an economic downturn – always used as an excuse to remove people who are not up to the job.

174498 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Ozzie, #919 of 1814 🔗

Absolutely right.

174596 ▶▶ Locked down and out, replying to Fingerache Philip., #920 of 1814 🔗

There is a very valid reason right now to reduce head count and I thought that was patently obvious to everyone on this site and as businesses struggle to survive this madness.
No business wants to get rid of its best people first in the same way that football clubs don’t want to sell their best players. So the dross goes first. And that’s the way it should be.

174440 Peter Thompson, replying to Peter Thompson, 10, #921 of 1814 🔗

The Irish government is effectively destroying the careers and livelihoods of those doctors who have openly questioned the Lockdown. The latest doctor who spoke out closes his practice .

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/gp-to-close-practice-after-threat-of-suspension-over-anti-mask-views-1.4375726

174464 ▶▶ matt, replying to Peter Thompson, 9, #922 of 1814 🔗

I think this is one of the most disturbing free speech issues we’ve experienced. This isn’t how any scientific discipline should work. As urgent as the question “why are governments (here and in Ireland suppressing dissent?” Is the question “why are members of the scientific communities actively participating in silencing their colleagues?”

174477 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to matt, 3, #923 of 1814 🔗

Agreed. Don’t know if Toby’s Free Speech Union has an Ireland branch, but it’s definitely one for his hefty caseload.

I wonder if they’d do this here? A couple of decades back they wouldn’t have dared, and would have been laughed at if they’d tried, I think, but the status and independence of doctors has dropped a lot in this country.

174488 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to matt, 1, #924 of 1814 🔗

Dont think they are scientists. They are UN ‘advisors’

174468 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Peter Thompson, 9, #925 of 1814 🔗

That is genuinely outrageous, and more open suppression of dissent within the profession than we’ve seen in the UK, isn’t it? Though it’s easy to understand why doctors here are reluctant to stick their heads above the parapet.

What’s your view on the GB Declaration, by the way? Would you be concerned about signing it, professionally and career-wise?

174548 ▶▶▶ Peter Thompson, replying to Mark, 5, #926 of 1814 🔗

As a general observation I would advise as many medical professionals to sign this as possible . I think many doctors would be concerned however because there are lots of fanatical lockdown zealots out there. In Ireland the twatterati were hunting for the names and addesses of the GPs who spoke at the anti lockdown rally in Dublin.

174470 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Peter Thompson, 5, #927 of 1814 🔗

Very sinister when a professional is, in effect, censored in this way. It’s another version of cancel culture.

174487 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Peter Thompson, 2, #928 of 1814 🔗

Bad, when his views are moderate, he’s not even denying covid

174565 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Peter Thompson, 2, #929 of 1814 🔗

The only positive thing about that is that it provides direct proof of the sinister individuals and processes pushing the shit-show narrative.

There is absolutely no doubt.

174671 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Peter Thompson, 1, #930 of 1814 🔗

Dr Marcus De Brun is the third Irish doctor to be sacked or forced to resign in the last few weeks. His crime? For speaking out about the Irish Gov’s approach to tackling COVID-19 and for being highly critical of the nursing home deaths. He is not a COVID denier by any means.

I’m gutted about this. I’ve followed his work and admired his bravery for speaking out. Is it any wonder that so few doctors dare to do so when this is the result? No dissent allowed and very little discussion in the Irish Media. His latest article here is worth a read:

https://cassandravoices.com/science-environment/covid-19-the-perfect-storm/

174445 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #931 of 1814 🔗

Boris Johnson urged to clarify plans for new local Covid restrictions Prime Minister was warned that lack of clarity over incoming measures will lead to people flocking to pubs over the weekend
An announcement is expected to be made to Parliament on Monday, with the restrictions coming into force on Wednesday.

There’s a poll. 85% are against closing pubs and restaurants.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/10/08/boris-johnson-faces-calls-level-nation-fresh-local-restrictions/

174454 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #932 of 1814 🔗

So everyone stop infecting until then?

174479 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Dan Clarke, #933 of 1814 🔗

Obviously!

174491 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #934 of 1814 🔗

I don’t trust any polls, so will ignore this one, even if it is heavily in our favour.

Take a step back and look at how insane this is. The PM is sticking his ore into what the citizens are doing with their personal lives over a specific weekend in the calendar, and is willing to impose an emergency diktat to enforce his wishes.

174493 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cheezilla, 13, #935 of 1814 🔗

I won’t be flocking to any socially distanced tracked and traced PPE hellzone of a pub any time soon. The bastards.

174447 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 11, #936 of 1814 🔗

Sage appear to be UN NGO’s who have infiltrated governments. Now holding a gun to Johnson’s head to lock the whole country down again when all the last one did was ruin the economy.

174514 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Dan Clarke, 8, #937 of 1814 🔗

A thought has occurred to me that Johnson et al in the Cabinet are going to get thrown under the bus with the rest of us when the time comes.

I think I will draft a letter to my MP along these lines. “You’re out of a job mate, and you and your family are going to be slaves in the gulag with the rest of us.”

174448 James Marker, replying to James Marker, 20, #938 of 1814 🔗

To all those people who will be thrown out of work as a result of the lockdown, to all those people who will suffer terminal cancer as a result of the lockdown, and to all those people whose lives will otherwise be blighted as a result of the lockdown, please know that SAGE members such as Calum Semple, John Edmunds and Jeremy Farrar are directly responsible for your plight. What motivates these people? What do they stand to gain by preventing herd immunity being established naturally? Why do they want to implement suppression strategies until a vaccine is available? What do they stand to gain? We must find some way to make sure these people will be answerable for their actions.

174469 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to James Marker, 1, #939 of 1814 🔗

Maybe Jeremy *unt will nail them. See my “rapid enquiry” post below.

174453 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 5, #940 of 1814 🔗

How come NZ is back to normal for people, my cousin over there is going to cinema, shows, shopping normally etc.

174462 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Dan Clarke, 10, #941 of 1814 🔗

Unless they let anyone into the country – for ever.

174463 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Dan Clarke, 6, #942 of 1814 🔗

Pleased for them if that’s the case. But how will they fare as a nation of they never open up to tourism again?

174472 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #943 of 1814 🔗

Offer you a free fortnight’s full bed&board in a 5* hotel on arrival?

174481 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Charlie Blue, #944 of 1814 🔗

True, but for now they are living as normal and most are more than happy with that, looking at other countries.

174499 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #945 of 1814 🔗

Genuinely pleased for anyone anywhere who can live more than half a life. Just wondering at what price and what about all those who have lost their livelihoods? Can they enjoy cinemas and shopping normally or are they busy worrying about long-term survival?

174546 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Charlie Blue, #946 of 1814 🔗

The cousin in question has been catching up on shows and cinema after they were restricted earlier in the year, also shopping back to normal, she lives in Wellington so a pretty big place.

174501 ▶▶▶▶ A Heretic, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #947 of 1814 🔗

except for anyone working in their tourism industry which used to employ around 400000 people and contribute 10% of their GDP.

174551 ▶▶▶▶▶ dhpaul, replying to A Heretic, 5, #948 of 1814 🔗

Ah, but they have only had 25 deaths, that has to be worth totally destroying their tourism industry, and shutting themselves off from the rest of the world. Note the sarcasm, by the way.

174511 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #949 of 1814 🔗

Sounds like Sweden, but then the Swedes can travel, well maybe not to NZ

174561 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Major Panic, #950 of 1814 🔗

Can anyone travel to NZ??

174609 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Lms23, 2, #951 of 1814 🔗

No, that’s my point, they are a hermetically sealed unit, unlike Sweden, things really have to be explained in here

174569 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #952 of 1814 🔗

I susoect that the end of mass tourism is part of the plan.

174475 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Dan Clarke, 11, #953 of 1814 🔗

It looks like their plan is to be isolated from the rest of the world until an experimental vaccine is available, so maybe that will be for ever.

174458 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 16, #954 of 1814 🔗

Lies, lies and damned lies!

The number of coronavirus patients in intensive care in the north of England will surpass the April peak if infections continue rising at the current rate, MPs have been warned in a briefing chaired by Chris Whitty and a minister.
According to leaked slides, MPs were also shown early research by Public Health England showing that 41% of under-30s with Covid had contracted it in a pub, bar, restaurant or cafe. A quarter of infections across all ages originated from those settings, the MPs were told.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/08/whitty-covid-icu-cases-in-northern-england-could-pass-peak-in-22-days

How many under-30s were in ICU first time round?
Anyone who can’t see the great gaping holes in this story is being willfully stupid!

174482 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Cheezilla, 10, #955 of 1814 🔗

I’m coming to the conclusion that Whitless is becoming more deranged by the day.

174560 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 2, #956 of 1814 🔗

He’s certainly becoming more dangerous, along with Hancock.
Our ancestors had the right idea when they exiled people.

174485 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #957 of 1814 🔗

Bollocks 41% of under 30-s with a 99% false positive. Bollocks, prick.

174505 ▶▶▶ wayno, replying to stefarm, #958 of 1814 🔗

couldn’t agree more.

174496 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #959 of 1814 🔗

Leaked my arse. Deliberate misinformation.

174513 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #960 of 1814 🔗

Thing is in normal social scenarios you can’t know where people got infected it’s just guesswork and inference from clusters. It’s not a closed system like the Diamond Princess. Ripe for misinterpretation, bias and dare I say, manipulation.

174527 ▶▶ Nottingham69, replying to Cheezilla, #961 of 1814 🔗

This research came from America

174559 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #962 of 1814 🔗

Just look at the f.ing graphs/numbers! It’s not that difficult, Witless.

Then go learn about the misinterpretation of PCR results, you f.ing dimwit!

You’ve got everything wrong – repeatedly. Noe – just piss off, reap your Big Pharma rewards, and leave us in peace, you second rate huckster,

174632 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to RickH, #963 of 1814 🔗

He always speaks highly of you ;0))

174625 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #964 of 1814 🔗

Just “cases” again!

174461 Paul, replying to Paul, 19, #965 of 1814 🔗

I’m stood on the high street of my town typing this at 4,30 on a Thursday afternoon and I cannot believe how quiet it is, the shops are all pretty much empty, a few zombies wandering around doing exactly what they’ve been told, they are utterly oblivious to what is happening, I feel like I’m on a different planet, please help!.

174523 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Paul, 1, #966 of 1814 🔗

But but but Centre for Cities and local mayors (or our’s at least) say footfall and spending is back to 100% of pre-incarceration levels.

Asked our local council leader about her quote son this on Central news a few nights ago but so far no answer.

The data came from these guys:

https://www.centreforcities.org

174553 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #967 of 1814 🔗

I don’t believe it. Everywhere is too quiet, including Tesco on a Friday afternoon.

174536 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Paul, 3, #968 of 1814 🔗

I get that impression sometimes. It’s like the majority have actually dropped into a slightly lower dimension and are now living in a parallel but almost separate reality.

174465 Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 14, #969 of 1814 🔗

Just found this on the Irish Times website:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/one-of-state-s-biggest-restaurant-and-pub-groups-starts-legal-action-over-covid-19-measures-1.4375698

The hospitality business, controlled by businessman Paddy McKillen Jr, threatened legal action against the Government last week if it decided to extend the Covid-19 restrictions.

174507 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Ozzie, 4, #970 of 1814 🔗

Good, we need more of this. Big Groups getting together to take this on.

174474 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 44, #971 of 1814 🔗

We are doomed, ffuuuuccckkkkkeeed

Just been to Morrisons for beer, you know just in case.

Fucking hell, full maskage barring me and a couple of staff. Witnessed, an elderly gentleman full mask and matching Blue latex gloves covering his hands in the gloop and vigorously wiping the handle of his trolley, from behind I thought he was having a wank.

Joined the covid shuffle trolley queue, unmasked member of staff directing traffic, introduced himself as the new customer service manager and gave me some old pony about logging onto facebook to rate my experience….hmmmm

me – ‘bit disappointed to see so many of your staff wearing masks, must be tough spending all day wearing the awful things’

‘hmm, yeah I suppose, they do have the option and as you can see till staff generally don’t. Notice you are buying some beer, I might do the same (quick change of subject!)

me – ‘Yeah, bit sad but I thought I will stock up just in case Nicola bans alcohol all together, wouldn’t put it past her’

‘nah, never do that, the people will revolt’

me – ‘maybe that’s what we need to wake the people up’

‘hmm – till number 8 sir’

Till lady unmasked, loaded up. Bit of confusion as a masked headphoned chap walked up to the conveyer belt with his basket. I told him that there is a queue as did the till lady and to go and queue.

She started moaning about the new customer service manager as he ‘keeps sending people to her till and it’s getting too busy’

me – ‘the queuing is a bit silly, people should queue wherever as it will be quicker’

Fucking hell I thought her eyes were going to pop out of her head

‘NO, don’t you know there is a VIRUS!! I don’t want to get infected’, we must distance!!!’

Me – ‘no there isn’t, there is no danger, don’t worry’

Steam coming out of her ears.

Silly cow has been working throughout and to the best of my knowledge isn’t dead. The masks really do reinforce that there is a danger, people are shitting themselves still. A 10 minute quick in and out took me about 40 minutes, lucky there isn’t a virus.

Anyway got some beer and a Belgian bun. Still not dead.

174490 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to stefarm, 46, #972 of 1814 🔗

I particularly enjoyed the Sainsbury’s experience of a 16 year old boy behind the checkout barking orders at an 85yr old woman for not distancing. The old lady and I exchanged a smirk as she flicked him the Vs and proceeded to ignore him completely.

174510 ▶▶ CGL, replying to stefarm, 5, #973 of 1814 🔗

Nearly spat my tea out then

174515 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to stefarm, 17, #974 of 1814 🔗

covering his hands in the gloop and vigorously wiping the handle of his trolley, from behind I thought he was having a wank.

Bloody brilliant

174517 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Victoria, 3, #975 of 1814 🔗

Yep that was the bit that did it!

174518 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Victoria, 3, #976 of 1814 🔗

Yes, that gave me a good laugh.

174521 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Victoria, 3, #977 of 1814 🔗

Ha, I didn’t know where to look, I suppose it would be really safe (self)sex

174522 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to stefarm, 3, #978 of 1814 🔗

And they wonder why Tesco and Morrison’s profits have fallen since this pandemic. Why would anyone spend any more time than is essential in a supermarket whilst masked up to the gills if they can avoid it. I suspect the same for the other supermarkets, none of which seem busy at any time.

174556 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Lms23, #979 of 1814 🔗

Apparently not

Tesco defends paying £315MILLION dividend to shareholders – despite getting business rates break worth £249m

  • Online Tesco food sales doubled and pre-tax profits surged during the pandemic
  • Supermarket’s finance director says paying shareholders ‘the right thing to do’
  • Tesco has enjoyed a business rates break from the government worth £249m
174533 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to stefarm, #980 of 1814 🔗

Click and collect is brilliant, in and out in 3 minutes, timing it now!. Don’t think, even if this ever ends, I would go back to traipsing around for food.

174587 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #981 of 1814 🔗

Yeah, have been clicking and collecting thought I would have a mooch to see how bad it is.

Bad

174544 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to stefarm, 5, #982 of 1814 🔗

Home delivery all the way for me. I will leave this particular zoo for the zombies and those of you courageous enough to keep running this insanity gauntlet.

175077 ▶▶ Jonathan Castro, replying to stefarm, #983 of 1814 🔗

LOL very good!

175121 ▶▶ Basics, replying to stefarm, #984 of 1814 🔗

Excellent read thank you. It is good to realise the farce of all this. At the same time as knowing the tragedy.

174480 Jack, replying to Jack, 5, #985 of 1814 🔗
174508 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Jack, 7, #986 of 1814 🔗

Amazing.

The CDC has no measurable amount of the virus, because it is unavailable. THE CDC HAS NO VIRUS.

A further tip-off is the use of the word ‘isolates.” This means NO ISOLATED VIRUS IS AVAILABLE.

Another way to put it: NO ONE HAS AN ISOLATED SPECIMEN OF THE COVID-19

VIRUS.

NO ONE HAS ISOLATED THE COVID-19 VIRUS.

THEREFORE, NO ONE HAS PROVED THAT IT EXISTS.

174512 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Victoria, 4, #987 of 1814 🔗

Can’t they ask the lab at Wuhan for some?

174483 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 12, #988 of 1814 🔗

Oh dear! The Covid-19 vaccine being developed by Oxford University and AstraZeneca faces further delays as participants who were given an initial dose may not receive a booster shot in time to play a further role in trials. The disruption has been caused by a month-long pause while an American regulator investigates possible side-effects from the vaccine.

Reminds me of the saying “couldn’t run a piss up in a brewery”

174555 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #989 of 1814 🔗

All I can say is at least the Americans are making an attempt to go through the motions here. Either that or they want “their” vaccine to win the race and this is just a deliberate stalling tactic.

174492 David, replying to David, 16, #990 of 1814 🔗

Nicola Sturgeon has become a latter-day Nick Leeson on steroids. The deeper she gets into gambling the Scottish economy to improve her outcomes, the worse it gets, until the whole system collapses around her. Barings bank was just one bank. This is a whole country.

174600 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to David, 4, #991 of 1814 🔗

I can see Euan McGregor limbering up for the role.

174500 Dan Clarke, 6, #992 of 1814 🔗

Long thought the 2 goons shadowing Boris were something other than scientists.

174504 ianric, replying to ianric, 26, #993 of 1814 🔗

One of the main features of a pandemic is that you should notice it if it was not mentioned in the media or internet. I would like to ask if there was no mention of Covid on the internet, media or from the government, would you have noticed we are in a pandemic.

174537 ▶▶ calchas, replying to ianric, 2, #994 of 1814 🔗

Exactly.

Without acces to media etc. I would have noticed obviously when lockdown came in in March, and I would have wondered what the heck was going on.

“What are they closing everything down for?”

174542 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to ianric, 1, #995 of 1814 🔗

No.

I personally know only one person whose death was attributed to CV1984, and no one who’s had it.

174524 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 20, #996 of 1814 🔗

There was a time, I recall, when Mysophobia (germs, germs everywhere not only in the sink) and Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder (face, hands, space) were considered to be mental illnesses.

174547 ▶▶ The Dark Lord, replying to Stuart, 2, #997 of 1814 🔗

they still are and apparently a much higher percentage of the population than anyone expected has this mental illness …

174554 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Stuart, 4, #998 of 1814 🔗

I used to think one of my mum’s friends was a hypocondriac. I’ve been tempted to ask her “How does it feel, now being mainstream?”

174564 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Stuart, 4, #999 of 1814 🔗

George Carlin still says it best:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnmMNdiCz_s

174605 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1000 of 1814 🔗

A God among men.

174657 ▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to Awkward Git, #1001 of 1814 🔗

Thanks for posting, AG – laughed my proverbial arse off!

174528 Matt Mounsey, replying to Matt Mounsey, 16, #1002 of 1814 🔗

“‘All clear’ Covid ‘passports’ aim to let air travellers bypass quarantine” – Telegraph report about an idea (slightly) more sensible than universal quarantine

Telling people they can’t travel unless they have the blood work the government approves of is not sensible, it’s draconian. Less than a year ago we would have strung our leaders up if they suggested we carry identity cards. Now we have this?

If British people have any self-respect left they will completely ignore quarantine restrictions. If the government wanted to prove that someone should be quarantined they should do what they’ve always done and test people at the airport.

If we let something like this get in, it will be around forever and it will be used against us. No thank you.

174550 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Matt Mounsey, 1, #1003 of 1814 🔗

Here you go, more information on the so-called Covid passports – Toby and Simon should look into this quickly. very scary indeed. Where are those groups that were against ID cards etc?

Still using the worthless PCR test I see. Also see WEF involvement.

CommonPass

For global travel and trade to return to pre-pandemic levels, travelers will need a secure and verifiable way to document their health status as they travel and cross borders.

Countries will need to be able to trust that a traveller’s record of a COVID PCR test or vaccination administered in another country is valid. Countries will also need the flexibility to update their health screening entry requirements as the pandemic evolves and science progresses.  Airlines, airports and other travel industry stakeholders will need the same.

the Commons Project together with the World Economic Forum is working to initiate the Commons Pass framework to address those challenges.

How it works.

The CommonPass framework will allow individuals to access their lab results and vaccination records, and consent to have that information used to validate their COVID status without revealing any other underlying personal health information.

Lab results and vaccination records can be accessed through existing health data systems, national or local registries or personal digital health records ( Apple Health for iOS, CommonHealth for Android).  Apple Health and CommonHealth let individuals store their health records securely and privately on their phones, entirely under their control.

The framework will assess whether the individual’s lab test results or vaccination records (1) come from a trusted source, and (2) satisfy the health screening requirements of the country they want to enter.

The framework delivers a simple yes/no answer as to whether the individual meets the current entry criteria, but the underlying health information stays in the individual’s control.

The framework is being designed such that it can be accessed directly through other apps and services.

https://thecommonsproject.org/commonpass

174558 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Victoria, #1004 of 1814 🔗

So if you test negative one day, then positive on the day of travel, how will that work?

174578 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #1005 of 1814 🔗

No travel with probably no way of reclaiming any money.

Question – will your family travel without you or all quarantine?

174590 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Matt Mounsey, 6, #1006 of 1814 🔗

The British people have no self respect. I think the last 6 months have left that very clear.

174531 Lockdown Truth, replying to Lockdown Truth, 3, #1007 of 1814 🔗

Hi all

If we test 100 people at random we will get about 5% positives according to the current government programme.

If we then test those 100 immediately we should get 5% again but very likely a different 5% if our suspicions are correct about the false positive rate. Maybe if we do it a third time we’d get yet a different 5%.

There’s might be one poor sod who is positive every time. We won’t tell the authorities so they don’t have to self-imprison.

I see anyone willing to make a donation to start this once we set up a donor page?

Thanks

174541 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Lockdown Truth, 3, #1008 of 1814 🔗

I remember France done this a few months go with 2400 samples – it was highlighted on here.

Only the same 4 tested positive each time no matter what lab or test they performed so their conclusion these 4 were the only true positives and all the rest were false.

These 4 were the gold standard to cross reference against.

174568 ▶▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1009 of 1814 🔗

Do you have a link to that?
Surely that should blow this all out of the water……!!!!!????

174571 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Lockdown Truth, #1010 of 1814 🔗

Knowing this government it would just get you locked up and the rest of us locked down.

174661 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Lockdown Truth, #1011 of 1814 🔗

It was in the comments on here with a link I think, will try and find it and post it one rtes next few days.

It was just before the French went on holiday for August so towards the end of July.

174676 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to Awkward Git, #1012 of 1814 🔗

Thanks. I’ll try to find it too.

174588 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Lockdown Truth, 1, #1013 of 1814 🔗

This is true. An acquaintance of mine is a manager for a number of care homes. The staff are tested (weekly?) and 40% of staff always show “positive”. I asked if it’s the same 40%, no different but overlapping sets of 40% each time.

174615 ▶▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to The Filthy Engineer, #1014 of 1814 🔗

Hi Filthy

How many staff are tested each time do you know?

Can you ask your friend to contact me or allow you to give me their details?

Thanks

Look at http://www.covid19assembly.org to see more about us.

174683 ▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to Lockdown Truth, #1015 of 1814 🔗

As Awkward Git says, it has been done before on a large scale and had the result I expected but didn’t change anything. I think if the test was documented in a popular style rather than an academic paper it could go viral. Look at the YouGov poll a bit below or above. Only 44% of people fear becoming ill. I assume that’s shrinking. A film like this could make a big difference at this stage.

Are any of you in the film/video production business?

174538 RickH, replying to RickH, 5, #1016 of 1814 🔗

Just watching the UnHerd interview with Francois Balloux.

Some good stuff – but quite surprising how wrong he is re. the severity of the virus (‘very severe’) , given the only true measure – mortality.

“Sorry!” I want to shout “It really isn’t by any measurable criterion! Moderately problematic. But not that severe”

This seems to be very common – an overestimation, across the board, of the effect of this virus.

174580 ▶▶ stewart, replying to RickH, 7, #1017 of 1814 🔗

It is almost as if we were back in March. The panic is on – instigated not by reality but by the measures which people use to gauge the severity of the disease (“if they are doing all this it must be because it’s very dangerous”) – and anecdotal evidence will be rolled out to substantiate the fear.

174641 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to stewart, 1, #1018 of 1814 🔗

Funny you should say that about severity of measures influencing people’s perception of danger

While in Sweden we spoke to a fair few locals and when we explained where we from and that things were pretty terrible they sympathised and I thought “great, they get it” but what they actually meant was that they had the impression the virus wasn’t being controlled hence the restrictions

I did try and disabuse them of this false impression but I am sure it’s very common

174539 The Dark Lord, 13, #1019 of 1814 🔗

nothing … not a vaccine or T-Cells or anything else can prevent you from getting re-infected … The virus doesn’t know you are “immune” and stay away from you … it infects you … you body beats it down and you don’t get THE DISEASE COVID19 … you are “immune” to the disease not the virus SARS-COV2 …
I still say that asymptomatic’s CANNOT infect others … the viral load simply isn’t high enough … if its not high enough to make you sick (i.e. a high viral load manifests as being sick while your body fights it) its not high enough to infect others …

174562 helen, 6, #1021 of 1814 🔗

Dear Mr Young,

Your site is wonderful and I am not complaining really but please could we have another one or this one split in two?

Lockdown sceptics and another site to cater for people who can not bare to read one other word about covid, cases, lockdown, masks and so on because they not the central issue.
That much is clear to I estimate about 1/4 to 1/2 LdSs perhaps more. The number, like cases, gets bigger everyday as life gets more and more like the kind of dystopian world predicted by Orwell’s 1984 ..or worse.

And William Cooper advised, in his book Behold a pale horse that when theres a secret coup going on in the world, and I quote
” then we HAVE to find out the truth and ACT upon it because it’s the only way to survive”.

Since our last hope, to put an end to the madness and regression into the dark ages; The Great Barrington Declaration was chucked out by parliament yesterday then its up us to find out the truth and act upon it.

Yours
Helen

174563 Steeve, replying to Steeve, 5, #1022 of 1814 🔗

From a conversation today
1 Generally the severity of Covid is being exaggerated ( Thinking )
2 More frightened of getting the virus now than at the beginning ( Emotion )

174574 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Steeve, 10, #1023 of 1814 🔗

The real virus now is fear. It is rampant being stoked even further.

174584 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to stewart, 1, #1024 of 1814 🔗

Fear makes people more unhealthy which is quite convenient when the government objective is to justify a new national lockdown.

174567 stewart, replying to stewart, 32, #1025 of 1814 🔗

I think it’s fair to say that civilisation as we know it is collapsing before our eyes.

The basic tenets of live and let live and each person taking responsible for themselves is disintegrating.

In its place, an ideology is setting in, in which anyone can hold anyone else responsible for anything. It doesn’t even have to be real. All it needs is to exist in the person’s mind.

The danger of covid is an obvious example. What matters isn’t the actual danger it poses, but the fear that people have of it. It is enough that they are afraid for them to demand that others adjust their lives to relieve their fear. There is no burden on them to prove their fear is real or rational.

Racism is another example. There is no real burden of proof behind any accusation of racism. It is enough that the person feels discriminated to place the burden of making it right on someone else.

And the problem is that those kind of negative feelings are never dispelled by pandering to them. They only dissolve when they are confronted. The pandering actually just makes it worse.

Making everyone wear masks relieves fear only momentarily. Eventually the irrational fear sets in again – because it isn’t based on any reality. And that will lead to even more measures.

This is the spiral of madness we are now caught up in. And it’s spinning too quickly now. Very very hard to stop at this point.

174585 ▶▶ calchas, replying to stewart, 14, #1026 of 1814 🔗

I know what you mean.

However, let’s remember that there is always a penalty to be paid for having a view of the world which is at variance with reality.

That economic and social price will eventually rise to a level which cannot be ignored.

I believe that then we will see a swing towards truth.

We must live for that day.

Events, not arguments, change most peoples’ minds.

174745 ▶▶▶ Nic, replying to calchas, 1, #1027 of 1814 🔗

Well said you are bang on

174591 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to stewart, 9, #1028 of 1814 🔗

We were on a downward trajectory well before this year, but the decline is currently vertical and we are in free fall.

Whatever comes next is anyone’s guess. For our the sake of our descendants, I hope that authentic human beings are the ones who survive to rebuild.

174638 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Richard O, 4, #1029 of 1814 🔗

Agreed. Our mainstream TV channels are being used for non stop ideological brainwashing, not reporting or debating.

174573 Lockdown Truth, replying to Lockdown Truth, #1030 of 1814 🔗

Who is carrying out the government’s pillar two testing? Is it a specific programme or is it just an amalgamation of all the private and NHS testing that’s going on?

174620 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Lockdown Truth, #1031 of 1814 🔗

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54455666

This details a lot of the relationships

174577 Lockdown Truth, replying to Lockdown Truth, 1, #1032 of 1814 🔗

Ahem… what ID do they ask for at test stations in the UK?

174756 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Lockdown Truth, #1033 of 1814 🔗

They’re supposed to ask for passport or driving licence, but when I went that actually didn’t: just scanned the QR code from the booking and that was that.

174602 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 3, #1035 of 1814 🔗

YouGov – words fail me:

174606 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, #1036 of 1814 🔗

and….

174612 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Sarigan, 5, #1037 of 1814 🔗

Super. Let them all have it.

174658 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to stewart, 1, #1038 of 1814 🔗

I would take a vaccine – perhaps in 30 years when a) I’m in a risk group b) they have been road tested

174838 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Sarigan, #1039 of 1814 🔗

so all the 77th bots that voted for it can have the vaccine ..

174608 ▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to Sarigan, 3, #1040 of 1814 🔗

Actually that’s 44% are afraid. A minority. That’s good news. Has the GOV reported back on this? Where’s the link?

174618 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to Sarigan, #1042 of 1814 🔗

ta

174807 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Lockdown Truth, #1043 of 1814 🔗

Yes, better than I thought.

174622 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Sarigan, #1044 of 1814 🔗

Is that for real?

They been infiltrated?

174630 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Awkward Git, #1045 of 1814 🔗

That is a screenshot from moments ago, I fill them in regularly in the vain attempt to affect the figures.

https://yougov.co.uk/opi/myfeed/#/all

No registration required.

174653 ▶▶▶▶ tonys, replying to Sarigan, #1046 of 1814 🔗

Me too and I am slightly surprised at the numbers who aren’t too fussed’.

174712 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Sarigan, 2, #1047 of 1814 🔗

“Don’t know”!

Reminds me of the scene in The Office where David Brent gives Keith in Accounts his appraisal.

Brent : “If don’t know wasn’t there, what would you choose?”
Keith : “What are the options?”
Brent : “Not at all / to some extent / very much so….”
Keith : “”Very much so.”
Brent : “Do you remember the question?”
Keith : “No.”

174810 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Richard O, #1048 of 1814 🔗

Don’t know should be removed from all survey questions forever more. It’s the cop out option. And besides, how can you not know if you’re worried or not?

174607 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 13, #1049 of 1814 🔗

I’m tired of wasting my breath and my energy on this. It’s obvious that the authorities are not going to listen to anyone and equally obvious that most of the population is so brainwashed their only complaint is that they aren’t being restricted more. This will only lead in one direction: to economic and cultural destruction, the suicide of the world order. A unique moment in history. The beneficiaries will be the Han nationalist Leninists of China, who will become the colonial masters of the world. I hope that a reckoning will come and that those responsible will be punished, but I’m not optimistic. The world we lived in has gone. And I’m done.

174617 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 7, #1050 of 1814 🔗

Rubbish. You should into Talk Radio. I’m very impressed by the way they are giving a voice to scepticism and exposing Lockdown Lunacy at every turn.

174673 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 11, #1051 of 1814 🔗

I used to wonder how Jim Jones persuaded his followers to drink the poison at Jonestown.
I don’t wonder now.

174610 DRW, replying to DRW, 11, #1052 of 1814 🔗

Just saying I greatly admire the optimism on here, positivity is very difficult considering how bad things are getting.

174619 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to DRW, 14, #1053 of 1814 🔗

We need to be optimistic, because if you despair then they’ve won. They can try and take everything away from you but you still hold the true power over them if you refuse to let them break your spirit.

174721 ▶▶▶ Biggles, replying to Poppy, 7, #1054 of 1814 🔗

The truth always wins out, it may take a while, but it will happen. And when it does, there’s going to be one hell of a party!

174651 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to DRW, #1055 of 1814 🔗

The longer they go down clown-path, the more smug I can be when its all over. Just a shame so many livelihoods destroyed, cancers missed and developing country kids are going to have to die along the way.

174655 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to DRW, 1, #1056 of 1814 🔗

I think it’s a bit up and down day to day, but I do think the more we see questions being asked, the more hope there may be.

174727 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to DRW, 3, #1057 of 1814 🔗

It’s been a mixed bag today as usual (see NorthumbrianNomad’s post just now).

There will have to be a lot more suffering – we have gone way too far down this path of insanity to change that eventuality – but I am confident that the edifice of lies is so monumental that it will eventually collapse under its own weight. This might take years, but it will happen.

174616 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, #1058 of 1814 🔗

Quick question, friends.

Does anyone know what the home tests look like, and how they are delivered?

174626 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1059 of 1814 🔗

I have assisted clients who required them for travel. I have used https://www.rightangled.co/

They are actually offering me discounts on bulk buy, perhaps I should buy some and send back some samples from various household items?

They are sent to the householder with prepaid envelope, swab is taken and sent back in said envelope. Test results available online with 24hrs of lab receiving it.

174649 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Sarigan, #1060 of 1814 🔗

Thanks for the quick reply, Sarigan.

So they don’t look like Amazon parcels? You know, the thinnish the ones that DVDs come in.

174668 ▶▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1061 of 1814 🔗

Slightly bigger than a DVD. Video here – https://youtu.be/2g_t8zh4zOk

174678 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Sarigan, #1062 of 1814 🔗

Excellent; thanks, mate.

btw, I’m not looking to buy any, but I do like your idea of sending back some samples from various household items 🙂

174624 theanalyst, replying to theanalyst, 11, #1063 of 1814 🔗

Sometimes I remind myself what I think are the four most important lies underpinning this Covid19 monstrosity.

  1. Asymptomatics (People with zero symptoms of Covid19) are big spreaders of the disease. Bull.
  2. The PCR test identifies accurately the people currently infected with Covid19. Bull.
  3. Once you have had it, you can catch it again. Bull..(Boris take your mask off you manipulative tw%t, you are immune)
  4. The virus has been demonstrably ‘isolated’. Bull.

Sure, there are many more lies, and emotions like fear and greed are playing a huge part too, but 1. to 4. above are very important.

Would be good to get a full list of these one day.

174636 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to theanalyst, 1, #1064 of 1814 🔗

On the subject of isolation, is it possible to sequence the RNA or DNA of an virus without isolating it?
If it is, I’m curious as to how it would be done.
If not, this must be widely known in the sequencing “community” implying there is a massive cover up.

174696 ▶▶▶ Bobblybob, replying to Andy Riley, 2, #1065 of 1814 🔗

No. A virus can have rna or dna, they don’t have both. The pcr test wae based on a theoretical version of acertain part of the rna, apologies do not have citation to hand. Again without citation, it was apparently isolated from a culture in August. The pcr test is using the original ‘possible’ rna particle, and the efficacy of it is tested against how succesfull it is in finding this specific rna snippet. So the validity of the test is merely a positive feedback loop. Don’t have references to hand but google will help. The specific piece of rna code was ‘identified’ in the uk at the start of this and sent to wuhan for confirmation. Hope that gives you a starting point.

174786 ▶▶▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to Bobblybob, 1, #1066 of 1814 🔗

Thanks Bob – to DuckDuckGo!
(I won’t touch Google with a proverbial bargepole)

174633 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 1, #1067 of 1814 🔗

Can anybody make the yellow, green, black sign with;

Covid idiots – ignorant of facts – immunity deniers

So I can print off

174637 ▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to Major Panic, #1068 of 1814 🔗

I can. I’ll post in on lockdown Truth in a while

174645 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Lockdown Truth, #1069 of 1814 🔗

Thanks mate

174663 ▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to Major Panic, 1, #1070 of 1814 🔗
174695 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Lockdown Truth, #1071 of 1814 🔗

Perfect, thanks

174703 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to Major Panic, #1072 of 1814 🔗

Let me know when you’ve downloaded it so I can take it down!

174781 ▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Lockdown Truth, #1073 of 1814 🔗

Well I’m at work so I missed Ur window, thanks for Ur effort, lol

174793 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to Major Panic, 1, #1074 of 1814 🔗

I’ll put it up again at about 9. I’ve gone out now! 🙂

175113 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to Major Panic, #1075 of 1814 🔗

It’s up again. Get it while it’s hot!

175237 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Lockdown Truth, #1076 of 1814 🔗

great, got it, thanks

174639 Awkward Git, 1, #1077 of 1814 🔗

If the “man” and any pride, integrity or honesty he’d quit now:

https://twitter.com/search?q=matt%20hancock&src=typed_query&f=live

Not many complimentary comments.

Do his researchers, assistants and hangers-on ever show him this?

174648 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 6, #1078 of 1814 🔗

Thousands of coronavirus deaths recorded by ONS not due to Covid, new figures show.

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/covid-19-could-more-deadly-122511468.html

You don’t say!

174666 ▶▶ Neil Hartley, replying to Margaret, 1, #1079 of 1814 🔗

I think even those numbers might be overstated. The ONS shows that in England and Wales less than 1,400 people died “of Covid-19” with no other comorbidities. The rest of the 30,000 had heart disease, diabetes etc.

174677 ▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Neil Hartley, #1080 of 1814 🔗

Could you give a reference for those figures, please?

174711 ▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Richard Pinch, 1, #1081 of 1814 🔗

Probably from some work done in June using ONS/NHS England figures

https://hectordrummond.com/2020/06/05/early-june-graphs-from-christopher-bowyer/

In fact no-one has a clue…..

Why? Because the data is junk:

https://lockdownsceptics.org/counting-covid-19-cases-is-misleading-everybody/

And see above comment from Stephen McMurray re:

‘False positives in reverse transcription PCR testing for SARS-CoV-2’

‘Findings Review of external quality assessments revealed false positive rates of 0-16.7%, with an interquartile range of 0.8-4.0%. Such rates would have large impacts on test data when prevalence is low.’

174832 ▶▶▶▶ Enjoyeverysandwich, replying to Richard Pinch, #1082 of 1814 🔗

Hi

NHS England statistics. Was a bugger to find.

just googled “Tab4 Deaths-NHS England”

and hopefully I’ve attached the screenshot.

toggle the screen to breakdown of pre-existing conditions.

Regards

174840 ▶▶▶▶▶ Enjoyeverysandwich, replying to Enjoyeverysandwich, #1083 of 1814 🔗

Oooops!

screen shot earlier stats!

here are the most up to date…

174841 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Enjoyeverysandwich, replying to Enjoyeverysandwich, #1084 of 1814 🔗

And another….

174929 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Enjoyeverysandwich, #1085 of 1814 🔗

Thanks. You had previously said that these were ONS figures, but it seems they are NHS figures, for deaths in hospital?

175018 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Enjoyeverysandwich, replying to Richard Pinch, 1, #1086 of 1814 🔗

Hello Richard….not guilty….it was Neil Hartley that mentioned ONS.. although presumably ONS gets this information from the NHS…..and that the NHS data is the source?

apologies for any confusion. Although the main point still stands as to the low number of actual deaths recorded by NHS “by” Covid as against “with” .

175354 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Enjoyeverysandwich, #1087 of 1814 🔗

ONS work from. death certificates.

174725 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Margaret, #1088 of 1814 🔗

That ONS report shows covid 19 as more dangerous than influenza……

Yes…..known for years that the common cold is more dangerous than influenza to the elderly and infirm, immunocompromised

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3553670/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5343795/

174652 leggy, 3, #1089 of 1814 🔗

More NHS stats – the really important ones.

GPs made more than 30,000 fewer urgent referrals for cancer check-ups in August compared with last year, while the number of patients waiting more than 13 weeks for a key diagnostic test in August was 239,920 – over 40 times more than last year.

174659 Basics, replying to Basics, 8, #1090 of 1814 🔗

Scotland is turning.

Bbc radio scotland drive time are almost nailing it.

Firstly licenced cafes can open but not sell alcohol. ‘Licensed Cafe’ is not a legal definition so no one know wht can open. Is a small restaurant a cafe? Is counter service a cafe? How is that different from a bar. One lady calling the show runs pubs suggested if she puts a cake dome on her bar its a cafe – drive time to the nation on bbc.

Next Gupta -interviewed for the drive time show -completely excellent reasonable and directly asjed about the different approach of Devi – gupta calmly duspatched the notion tgat the givernment approach is good and reasonable.

Next Scot gov CMO dentist jason leech live by telephone. He sounded as though stimukated if you know what I mean intense and fast talking. So leech who defines what a licensed cafe is? Leech – the local council envirinmental health officers – then leech line was cut. Leech comes bsck on jibbers. Bbc play him gupta interview clip – her spoke like a coked up clown. Actually and embarrasment to dentists. If you can I suggest seeing out tge recording of the programme Bbc scotland radio drive time.

There were many hospitailty business ppl all politely say what the actual fuck is going on. The presenter at one point said this is nkt a campaign we are just trying to get a balance in the views.

The Licensed Cafe thing is massive – no definition. Pubs resaurants have been phoning legal folk asking how do we convert? Legal folk saying we don’t know because we dont know what a licensed cafe is.

Scotland is turning.

174664 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Basics, 5, #1091 of 1814 🔗

I really hope so. Scotland does rather seem to be the front line of our battle.

174670 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Basics, 3, #1092 of 1814 🔗

Leech claimed England’s (his word) hopitality ifection rates were 5% based in phe figures. Scotland’sare an estimated 20% of all infections so he says. But there is no proof since the incubation period is 14 days you cannot possibly know.

The whole show was the scot guv of well out of their depth – wheels dropping off minute by minute.

174694 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Basics, #1093 of 1814 🔗

Another addition. Swinney snp education is believed to be going along the lines of introducing onw ways, door queuing, number limits at supermarkets to re-establish the 2 metre isolating distance. That comes from the bbc scotland presenter.

174672 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Basics, 1, #1094 of 1814 🔗

Don’t forget Leitch said this:

Speaking in a web Q&A for members of the business body FSB Scotland, he was asked about the different kinds of coronavirus tests available, and if businesses might be able to rapidly test workers to check if they’ve got Covid.

He replied: “Yes, I think that will come. The science is not ready for that yet. I think a number of things will happen.
“Remember, the first, the most important test we’re doing just now is the antigen test – looking for virus.

“Now, the test just now is bit rubbish.

“It is positive if it finds live virus or remnants of dead virus. It can’t tell the difference.

“So you could still be shedding virus six weeks after you’ve had the
infection and still get a positive test, and you’re not infectious.

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/scottish-news/6027823/coronavirus-scotland-jason-leitch-test-rubbish/

174691 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Basics, 1, #1095 of 1814 🔗

Interesting. The media demanded and was therefore complicit in lockdown at the start, and was locked in by that behind the spaffing Johnson. But the regime is opening up clear blue water between what the media first demanded and the extreme insanity now proposed. It’s a strategic error for the regime. The media has space to turn.

174667 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 7, #1096 of 1814 🔗

Repost from yesterday:

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/deaths

I notice the deaths description has been changed to remove this line.

174748 ▶▶ Draper233, replying to Ceriain, #1097 of 1814 🔗

Hmm, convenient. From the same webpage, let’s see how much longer the statement underlined remains:

Daily deaths with COVID-19 on the death certificate Total number of deaths of people whose death certificate mentioned COVID-19 as one of the causes, registered each week.
Provisional counts of the number of deaths registered in the UK where COVID-19 is mentioned as a cause on the death certificate. The deceased may not have had a confirmed positive test for COVID-19.

174674 Steeve, 12, #1098 of 1814 🔗

Many Thanks for those offering support and advice when talking about getting an appointment at the GPs for my Dad, relating to his Asthma/breathing and pain in his back (Posted Tuesday morning).

I got through for a telephone consultation and the Doctor phoned at 10am

I answered the phone and picked up quickly that she was very good at her job. She was knowledgeable but at the same time empathetic and always wanting to involve you in the diagnosis. After speaking to both myself and my Dad we came up with a plan.
She had picked up my Dad was playing down his symptoms when talking to him.
He was prescribed a treatment of steroids, pain killers for his back pain and antibiotics. I did question the antibiotics but she felt it was advisable as a precaution.
We were told to phone back if there was any deterioration or 111 etc
I felt it was done very well and in some ways saved him a very painful journey to the surgery.
pleased to report he his slowly improving.

I share this because of the criticism of telephone consultations but this one at least was a very positive experience.

174675 Lockdown Truth, 2, #1099 of 1814 🔗

Does anyone here run a business where you are having staff tested daily or weekly?

If so, please get in touch. It could be extremely helpful.

Contact via http://www.covid19assembly.org

Thanks

174681 Christopher, replying to Christopher, 16, #1100 of 1814 🔗

Report from the underground , The London Underground
Just thought I would give you my impression of things on the tube a week after being threatened with being stabbed in the face for not wearing a mask last Friday.
Trains are busier and for most of the week the week the atmosphere is down right ugly still . Lots of dirty looks from their dead down beaten eyes , plenty of tutting coupled with shaking of the head and moving to a far away seat as they notice the only free man on the carriage.
No arguments so far this week but I have noticed something interesting in that on my journey into London there is total mask compliance but on the journey home I see plenty of mask less passengers ( Men mostly ) on the District and on the Central line .
Lots this evening , A sign of things turning maybe ?

174726 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Christopher, 4, #1101 of 1814 🔗

Anyone tutting, tell them the Stockholm underground is 99% maskless and I didn’t see anyone dropping dead in the streets, and FWIW (not much) Sweden’s “cases” are lower than ours…

174753 ▶▶▶ Christopher, replying to Julian, 5, #1102 of 1814 🔗

After Tutting and moving away from me , One effeminate hipster Twat spent the rest of the journey holding his hand up to the air vents to see if they were on , if they were on he would move down the carriage. Guess he thought nasty old Coroni virus was hiding in the ducting waiting to pounce on him.
We are at peak clown world.

174876 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Christopher, #1103 of 1814 🔗

I really admire you guys fighting the good fight on public transport. I only have to deal with the supermarket and gym which is plenty to deal with as it is!

175147 ▶▶▶ Christopher, replying to JHuntz, #1104 of 1814 🔗

It’s getting all so tiresome being on guard all the time waiting for some busy bollocks to pipe up with brain dead bedwetting nonsense.

174956 ▶▶ Muzz Off, replying to Christopher, #1105 of 1814 🔗

I’ve been commuting daily as a free man, and still am yet to be challenged or even notice too many dirty looks. But I must admit I’m feeling more and more uncomfortable as the tube gets busier, which it has even over the last few weeks despite the latest measures.

I will say I also notice more maskless on the way home, but sadly this has been a constant trend the last few months so not necessarily a sign of anything changing…

175143 ▶▶▶ Christopher, replying to Muzz Off, #1106 of 1814 🔗

The first couple of months on the tube were fine , no problems and I don’t think anyone gave a toss really . The last few weeks I felt a noticeable change in attitude in the masked drones , clearly resentment of some kind.
And in the space of two days last week I have had two arguments in which the last ended with a threat of my being stabbed in the face .

174684 mjr, 10, #1107 of 1814 🔗

student testing
Just spoke to my daughter who lives off campus. some of her friends on the lacrosse squad apparently had “temperatures” and four were tested. Two negative, two positive. The two positive have no other symptoms and are not ill.
Daughter had no temperature so wasnt tested.
So as BBC would put it “50% of students have covid”.
Or as we would put it .. “nothing to see here”

174685 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 5, #1108 of 1814 🔗

Trailer for Channel 4 news: Jon Snow talking about ….cases.
He hesitated before saying cases. Was he going to say the truth? Positive tests? Did someone make sure he said “cases”?

174702 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Silke David, 8, #1109 of 1814 🔗

John Snow, telling the truth? Nah. He sold his soul to the deep state a long time ago. No integrity what so ever. A total tool. I think he went paranoid when he did that volcano bag of strong pharma-weed vape. It has made him think that everybody hates him he need to get revenge on us by lying his face off.

174715 ▶▶▶ Christopher, replying to Two-Six, 8, #1110 of 1814 🔗

My Ex’s grandmother worked for the Snow’s back in the 60’s as a house keeper .
Said they were all awful stuck up C#nts.

174690 Dan Clarke, 5, #1111 of 1814 🔗

Sometimes its like living in a parallel universe. 75 year old relative in Durham had a scan this week to check her cancer treatment as blood test was concerning. 93 year old friend in Edinburgh had cataract op on Monday. Both doing well.

174692 godowneasy, 4, #1112 of 1814 🔗

BBC: Covid: UK teens held in Sicily hotel for more than three weeks
https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-54465313

Horrendous! – I think this is a really great example of the dangers of travelling in our crazy COVID world.

It doesn’t say in the article whether the girls are paying for the privilege of being locked up but I assume so.

174693 Stephen McMurray, replying to Stephen McMurray, 4, #1113 of 1814 🔗

I think the problem with PCR false positives may be worse than we think. Here is a paper that found PCR false positives as high as 16.7%
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.26.20080911v1.full.pdf

Below is an extract from WHO advice regarding problems with thermo Fisher PCR kits

“Poorly extracted patient specimens were called valid using MS2 Assay. A cycle threshold (Ct) cutoff of 37 was not adequate to detect specimens with poor extraction efficiency or a large amount of impurities post-extraction. This issue may potentially cause a weakly positive specimen that sub-optimally extracted to be falsely called a valid negative specimen”

Note they are admitting problems with contamination and are concerned that highly impure specimens that are weakly positive will be seen as negative. So they want to ensure the most contaminated specimens with virtually no virus are still registered as positive.

https://www.who.int/news-room/detail/01-09-2020-who-information-notice-for-users-of-in-vitro-diagnostics-2020-4

Just a thought, but is the reason why Northern cities in Engalnd have higher rates of positive caes because they are using differnet testing kits than southern cities, or are they amplifying the virus through more cycles than those in the south? As there appears to be no set standard, comparing rates of postive cases between cities seems pointless.

174742 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Stephen McMurray, 1, #1114 of 1814 🔗

It’s strangely reminiscent of the “single drop of blood” policy used in racist times in the US.

As if any fragment at all, with no context, must be found. MUST BE FOUND!!!!

175050 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to Stephen McMurray, #1115 of 1814 🔗

i queried the discrepancy yesterday. Different kits, different testing centres, different methods. Or just stuff being twisted to keep the tory voters darn sarf happy, I say that as a now ex tory voter Ill never vote for them again. Doris Johnson is a huge trojan horse. He has been got at, somehting from his past has been found and he has rolled over.

174700 helen, replying to helen, #1116 of 1814 🔗

OM Goodness I just realised something. Everything being described as GREAT these days. …………..In’it?

The Great Reset
The Great Barrington Declaration

Whats this coincidence, synchronicity or PAAAARANOIA?

174741 ▶▶ Basics, replying to helen, 3, #1117 of 1814 🔗

Great comment!

174743 ▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to helen, 1, #1118 of 1814 🔗

The declaration was named after the place it was launched, Great Barrington.

174758 ▶▶▶ helen, replying to nocheesegromit, #1119 of 1814 🔗

Oh derrrrrrr I’m so dumb.. I didn’t know that

174704 Chris Hume, replying to Chris Hume, 27, #1120 of 1814 🔗

Much more heartening journey into London today from Billericay. Quite a few sans mask on the station platform, to the extent that the driver made an announcement ‘reminding’ us they were obligatory. I then overheard a conversation from the seats behind me between a young woman and a man late 20’s. early 30’s I guess) about whether having an exemption card was a legal requirement if claiming to be exempt. Woman thought it was, man said not. I turned around ad confirmed that they had no right to ask anything under disabilities act 2010. Then had a great conversation about all the nonsense and how much they saw through it. Got off the train with a spring in my step!

174801 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Chris Hume, 5, #1121 of 1814 🔗

Can you send them up to scotistan

174706 pmdl, replying to pmdl, 14, #1122 of 1814 🔗

People are not aware that there is a war going on, a hybrid war and the target is the global population. There is also an economic and cultural revolution happening and it’s the 0.1%’s revolution against the 99.99%, a long held plan that can be seen in the writing of Bertrand Russell, Aldous Huxley and HG Wells. People are acquiescing and complying to a higher authority that they don’t even know exists. The sooner people scratch even 1mm beneath the surface of the reality presented to them by MSM and controlled social media platforms the quicker the counter revolution will start. We need to help these people to start scratching.

174714 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to pmdl, 3, #1123 of 1814 🔗

Its true, the narrative from MSM is nothing like the reality, 4 actual things I personally know about which is all I believe now, this week. Positive health care for 3 elderly relatives and 1 from a builder friend I rang about some work says he’s never been so busy.

174720 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to pmdl, 8, #1124 of 1814 🔗

The only good thing that might come of this Corona Scam is that people will start to realise the true nature of how much we have been lied to and manipulated and just how evil those that seek to manage us are and that we might for the first time in human history stop these evil people and re-build a better world. Not their technocratic zero carbon police-state dystopia.

174732 ▶▶▶ pmdl, replying to Two-Six, 4, #1125 of 1814 🔗

I do agree that there is a great awakening and that is cause for optimism. On the other hand what was once very covert has gone incredibly overt, did this happen because they felt everything was in place and it could not fail? This is what troubles me.

174724 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Old Normal, 7, #1127 of 1814 🔗

And yet all the reporting today has been saying covid is three times as dangerous as flu. But that’s only raw numbers again, this year, and it’s because there has been quite a big covid epidemic and not much flu. This is why I despair. They turn good news into lies and fear. And people believe them

174731 ▶▶▶ JPF, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #1128 of 1814 🔗

And the Covid numbers include people who were hospitalised or died for any reason, but had a positive Covid test.

174760 ▶▶▶ NappyFace, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #1129 of 1814 🔗

The purpose of the way the numbers have been presented during this fiasco can only have been to mislead.

I work in finance, and though I’ve never been a natural with numbers, I’ve learnt to understand them and statistical methods, and to question sources and identify potential errors of interpretation etc.

I’ve also read basic popular bestsellers such as the undercover economist, freakonomics and other literature which provides perspective on the importance of correct interpretation (eg Black Swan).

I refuse to believe that people of sufficient intelligence to run public policy can make such stupid errors as they have apparently made to date.

It is simply not possible, without a gigantic leap of faith, to accept that they have been unaware of how wrong they have been and how misleading their claims of “science” truly are.

174768 ▶▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to NappyFace, #1130 of 1814 🔗

As exactly the same misleading stats are being presented in other countries, there’s no way this is accidental.

174763 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #1131 of 1814 🔗

OR… many flu cases were designated as covid1984.
At the beginning of all this, there were graphs showing flu deaths abruptly dropping to zero as CV19 appeared.

175131 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Old Normal, 1, #1132 of 1814 🔗

Thanks. I couldn’t get onto the site earlier.

Great cartoon:

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174717 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 32, #1133 of 1814 🔗

For what it’s worth here is an email I sent to my local Hillier garden center. They have been covid mental since they opened up.
Hi there,

I have a gift card here for Hillier. I am not sure how much is “on” it and I would like to know if I can spend it online or cash it in somehow.

I do not want to visit my local store in xxxxxxxx. Your COVID safety measures are insane.  The masks and those idiotic visors your staff wear, the social distancing, it is all just theatre. Their effectiveness in not based on any scientific evidence at all.

The safety measures you have in your stores are utterly de-humanising and dystopian. It makes visiting your shops utter intolerable.

COVID19 is LESS dangerous than seasonal Influenza. This is a fact. Honestly it does not take very much research at all to find out for yourselves how we are being lied to constantly about SARS2-CoV. The threat it poses is ridiculously overblown. There have only been 67 people in the whole of the UK since January who are aged under 67 that have died from COVID19. As of late July, only about 3700 people in the UK had died of COVID19 who had no other serious health issues since January.

People have a 99.97% chance of NOT dying from COVID19. Even those in the vulnerable category, even if they are in their mid 80’s have a 97.97% chance of NOT dying from COVID19. Only about 4 -6 children under the age of 14 have died of COVID19 since January in the UK and two of them were babies and all had some very serious other conditions.

Do yourselves and your company a favour and have a look at some alternative information you don’t see on the BBC or Channel four news or that you read in the Guardian. It’s all nonsense. If you are at all interested I can provide you with plenty of evidence that will over-turn the government’s narrative on SARS2-Cov and the use of PPE, in particular facemasks.

I assume Hillier is aware of the exemptions that apply to all of your staff and customers and that you respect people’s right to claim an exemption from wearing a facemask and that there are clear notices in your stores informing customers of their right NOT to wear a face mask while in your stores?

I assume you are also aware that if staff are “protected” behind a screen or if they rarely come within 1 meter of others they do not need to wear a face mask? I hope you have made your staff aware of the law.

I also would imagine that you haven’t done a risk assessment on the prolonged wearing of facemasks for your staff?

If you have I would like to see it. I bet you haven’t done one.

If you haven’t then you should do one because you are leaving yourselves open to damaging law suites in the future.

Prolonged wearing of face masks can cause some very detrimental health problems for the wearer:

Impetigo, skin rashes, tooth decay, bacterial infections of the mouth, Candida, streptococcus, bacterial throat infections, bacterial lung infections, bronchitis, hypoxia, hypercapnia, as to name but a few of the issues that mask wearing might cause.

Inhalation of unknown fibres from a mask or face covering is also thought to be likely to lead to an epidemic of asthma and even possibly something like asbestosis in the near future for millions. The inhalation of fungal spores could also be a threat to health.

It is also likely that wearing a mask might actually make it more likely to develop viral illnesses as the exhaled viral particles can collect in the mask and this can lead to a high viral load in the wearer, much higher than it would be if these viral particles were expelled into the air as would normally happen with un-restricted breathing.

People in the UK have been subjected to most ferocious psychological warfare operation in living memory. I can’t blame you all from suffering from mass psychosis. I hope you all recover from it quickly.

Please let me know how I can cash in my gift card. I will almost certainly never be visiting your stores ever again.

Stay Safe!

Two-Six

174739 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Two-Six, 2, #1134 of 1814 🔗

That will be an interesting read for someone!

174788 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Steeve, 6, #1135 of 1814 🔗

lol yer. I really don’t care. Idiots.

Actually I really hate that garden centre, about two years ago my Mum has a funny turn while in there, she blacked out and hit her face really badly. Nobody saw what happened She really hurt herself. She had no idea what happened either. For all we knew somebody might have hit her in the face with a shovel or ran her over with a fork lift.

I went back there and had a look around and noticed they had CCTV cameras covering the area where she was and the rest of the store so I asked very nicely if i could get them to look at the footage and see if they saw anything. I gave them a USB stick to put any relevant footage on. They declined and I had to tell them about the data protection act. They still declined I had a right to see that footage but because Mum didn’t make a clain to see it under the data protection act they wormed out of it. I even notified the Data Commissionaire’s office.

They were incredibly unhelpful and did not really try to assist me in any way to try to figure out what happen to Mum. It was staggering really. I would have thought they would have been beside themselves to help find out what happen.

So yer I never went there any more after that anyway.

175069 ▶▶ Jonathan Castro, replying to Two-Six, #1136 of 1814 🔗

Was it the big Hillier garden outside southampton?

175133 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Jonathan Castro, #1137 of 1814 🔗

no

175072 ▶▶ James Bertram, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1138 of 1814 🔗

Someone posted yesterday(?) something along the lines that there a recent German academic report said long-term mask-wearing could retard mental development in children and bring on early dementia in adults.
Would be grateful if someone could post the link.

175425 ▶▶▶▶ James Bertram, replying to Ceriain, #1140 of 1814 🔗

Thanks, Ceriain

175471 ▶▶▶▶▶ James Bertram, replying to James Bertram, #1141 of 1814 🔗

Have just sent this email to my MP:

Oxygen deprivation from mask-wearing will hinder development of children’s brains and increase the likelihood of dementia says leading consultant:
‘…. Dr. Margarite Griesz-Brisson MD, PhD is a Consultant Neurologist and Neurophysiologist with a PhD in Pharmacology, with special interest in neurotoxicology, environmental medicine, neuroregeneration and neuroplasticity. This is what she has to say about masks and their effects on our brains:…..
To deprive a child’s or an adolescent’s brain from oxygen, or to restrict it in any way, is not only dangerous to their health, it is absolutely criminal. Oxygen deficiency inhibits the development of the brain, and the damage that has taken place as a result CANNOT be reversed. …
When in ten years, dementia is going to increase exponentially, and the younger generations couldn’t reach their god-given potential, it won’t help to say “we didn’t need the masks”.
https://thewallwillfall.org/2020/10/05/covid-19-masks-are-a-crime-against-humanity-and-child-abuse/
As my representative, one that has done nothing to oppose the government on this measure, I hold you directly responsible for this crime.

174718 Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 8, #1142 of 1814 🔗

Had the misfortune of being in the room when Mrs Ozzie had the BBC news on. Boris has just appeared on “South Today” (local pretend news for the SE) suggesting that people needed to go to the cinema. Next week he will probably be closing them down again as they become a hotbed of COVID.

It also raises another question, why is he doing irrelevant things like this – surely there are more important things to be done?

174719 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Ozzie, 7, #1143 of 1814 🔗

Displacement activity, to give it its technical name! Invertebrates are famous for it when faced with challenges.

174783 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ozzie, 4, #1144 of 1814 🔗

The photos of him brick-laying and sitting in police cars like an overexcited 5-year-old are galling. I thought we were living through a deadly plague? Surely it’s far too dangerous to be doing frivolous things like that?

And is he really telling people to go to the cinema?! Will we be blamed for it when cases rise next week? Isn’t he going to shut them all down in a 2-week (i.e. 6-month) circuit breaker next week anyway?

174723 NappyFace, replying to NappyFace, 20, #1145 of 1814 🔗

So, when this is over, “I was only following orders” etc needs to come under harsh scrutiny.

The cruelty and inhumanity that has been exercised in the name of “safety” should never be forgotten.

174736 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to NappyFace, 3, #1146 of 1814 🔗

Wir haben es nicht gewusst.

174787 ▶▶ l835, replying to NappyFace, 1, #1147 of 1814 🔗

Only following orders, only following science…

174728 John Galt, replying to John Galt, 7, #1148 of 1814 🔗

Boris Johnson 04/10/2020

And Mr Johnson today suggested that the government’s Eat Out To Help Out scheme may have helped spread the bug.

He said: “Insofar as that scheme may have helped to spread the virus then obviously we need to counteract that with the discipline and the measures that we’re proposing.”

Boris Johnson 06/10/2020

the Prime Minister said he would “encourage people to go out to the cinema, enjoy themselves and support”.

Sometimes you just need to let yourself step back from it all and laugh.

174734 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to John Galt, 2, #1149 of 1814 🔗

or cry!

174757 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to John Galt, #1150 of 1814 🔗

What cinema? Aren’t they all closed??

174762 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to John Galt, 4, #1151 of 1814 🔗

Or perhaps follow this

“At this point, I think I might just give up reading the news/Twitter entirely, pay no attention to any of it, and do whatever I want. ‘Who is this Hancock fellow’, I will say. If they start beheading people for not wearing masks, hopefully there’ll be a sign outside Sainsbury’s.

174892 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to John Galt, 2, #1152 of 1814 🔗

So it is killing granny when we choose to go out but not when Boris asks us?

Gotcha

175122 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to John Galt, #1153 of 1814 🔗

Isn’t that part of the fake war between Johnson and Sunak?

174730 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 12, #1154 of 1814 🔗

My dad was always very interested in the detail of WW11 and had loads of stuff on the propaganda that went on, very similar to what they are doing today, and apparently Cummings has been fascinated with.

174738 ▶▶ Biggles, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #1155 of 1814 🔗

A good few years ago I wrote a book on RAF Fighter Command in 1941 and the propaganda, or numbers game as I called it, was up and running then. Nothing much has changed.

174740 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Biggles, 1, #1156 of 1814 🔗

Was the propaganda received in the same way, has it changed with the media onslaught?

174746 ▶▶▶▶ Biggles, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #1157 of 1814 🔗

The truth didn’t come out until well after the war when the work of Bletchley Park in breaking the Enigma codes became known.

174755 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Biggles, 1, #1158 of 1814 🔗

Thanks, it seemed to send fear through people in the same way during the way, as now. Hopefully the truth will out in the same way, eventually

174735 Basics, replying to Basics, 11, #1159 of 1814 🔗

Crimes Against Humanity
Dr Reiner Fuellmich
English version 997k views in five days. 483k German views.

https://youtu.be/kr04gHbP5MQ

A must watch, the best recounting of the entire SARS-CoV-2 crime to date. 50 minutes.

174890 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Basics, #1160 of 1814 🔗

Everyone I share this with questions this guy’s credentials. I can’t find him on Wikipedia – he is filed as ‘crank’

174936 ▶▶▶ Suitejb, replying to Tom Blackburn, #1161 of 1814 🔗

Interesting. Can’t find reference to the German Corona Virus Investigation Committee which he supposedly represents either.

174989 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Suitejb, #1162 of 1814 🔗

If you look on yuotube under the video there is a little bit of introductory text. There you will find the link to the Investigation Committee. Good luck.

175078 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Basics, 1, #1164 of 1814 🔗

Thanks Basics

174737 Poppy, replying to Poppy, 39, #1165 of 1814 🔗

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/tv/bradley-walsh-tears-morning-families-22812096?fbclid=IwAR05U4PPrPDhYGzWoTpymgqZ9w3hGazRThh4TUqubNKghitF01s19bZK3EM

Bradley Walsh in tears on This Morning as he breaks down over Covid-19 lockdown

The Chase star Bradley Walsh broke down in tears on This Morning as the ITV show talked about families who were forced apart during the coronavirus lockdown.
The ITV programme showed a heartbreaking video of Alice Beer speaking to just a few families desperate to be reunited with their loved ones.

They were all in tears as they begged the government to let them see their elderly relatives who were facing loneliness towards the end of their lives in care..

…She was showed in the VT in tears as she wasn’t allowed to see her son anymore after visiting him every day for three hours for seven months before lockdown occurred.
Bradley broke down in tears as he said: “It’s so upsetting and I had no idea this was happening.”…

…Viewers were left crying after the heartbreaking discussion and video.
One said: “#ThisMorning well that’s me blubbing, truly heartbreaking to see the effect isolating have on people, not being able to see their loved ones etc. I fear the current restrictions that are in place, will result in a huge rise in mental health issues. Sad times.”‘

————————

It is desperately sad. The fact that this took place on a mainstream daytime TV show is surely evidence enough that the government’s shocking cruelty is starting to filter through to the masses now.

174754 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Poppy, 19, #1166 of 1814 🔗

“Bradley broke down in tears as he said: “It’s so upsetting and I had no idea this was happening.”…”

How does anyone not know??

174764 ▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to Lms23, 13, #1167 of 1814 🔗

MSM doesn’t report it with enough prominence or detail.

174779 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Lms23, 10, #1168 of 1814 🔗

Some people just have no idea about what is happening in the world around them. It’s staggering. It comes down to pure self-interest I think although I do know people who deliberately ignore anything like this to preserve their sanity and mental health, which I do actually understand.

174825 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Lms23, 2, #1169 of 1814 🔗

probably also unaware of the cancer treatments missed and subsequent death sentences. Grieving relatives or patients themselves should be shown on tv.

174772 ▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to Poppy, 9, #1170 of 1814 🔗

Is Bradders about to join the sceptics as his co-star Mark ‘The Beast’ Labett has done?

174803 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Poppy, 10, #1171 of 1814 🔗

It’s so upsetting and I had no idea this was happening.

Says a man who works in the media. How could he be unaware of this in his line of work? No wonder we are in so much trouble.

I suspect a lot of the upset viewers were or still are fervent supporters of the government, in which case they are shedding crocodile tears.

We will need to keep our discernment razor sharp in order to determine who is genuine and who is faking it as this thing unravels.

174948 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Richard O, 3, #1172 of 1814 🔗

That’s because if you’re on tv you’re thick as fuck. Ever watch Pointless Celebrities? These people are utter morons.

174819 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Poppy, 1, #1173 of 1814 🔗

That’s one in the eye balls for the normies. This is a good thing. Sad that it’s happening but the sheeple need to see this.

174829 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1174 of 1814 🔗

Plenty more where this came from. I hope it hurts, really badly.

174833 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Poppy, 5, #1175 of 1814 🔗

This sounds heartless, but good. The zealots need a bit of emotional kick up the arse to help them see the mental devastation their compliance is causing.

174744 bucky99, replying to bucky99, #1176 of 1814 🔗

Few days away in Cornwall – been looking forward to this for a while. So far, so mixed. Stopping on the way for spot of lunch and a pint in Burnham, splendid. Staff in the pub muzzled, but didn’t mention anything to customers. Had been threatened with app use for ordering, but happily this was replaced by – good – table service.

Down to Cornwall, all seems fine, locals welcoming and wandering around the village not a sign of a mask. But then… I’m now in the local pub, and they – and the regular customers – are fully bought into *every single rule/law/guidance* that’s ever been issued. Really rather depressing.

On the plus side, the beers’ decent.

Hoping for better tomorrow.

174749 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to bucky99, 1, #1177 of 1814 🔗

Have a good time. Sorry about the weather. Can I recommend some of the Padstow Brewing Company’s ales?

174770 ▶▶▶ bucky99, replying to bluemoon, 1, #1178 of 1814 🔗

On the other coast, but will look out for them – thanks 👍

174747 bucky99, replying to bucky99, 9, #1179 of 1814 🔗

Few days away in Cornwall – been looking forward to this for a while. So far, so mixed. Stopping on the way for spot of lunch and a pint in Burnham, splendid. Staff in the pub muzzled, but didn’t mention anything to customers. Had been threatened with app use for ordering, but happily this was replaced by – good – table service.

Down to Cornwall, all seems fine, locals welcoming and wandering around the village not a sign of a mask. But then… I’m now in the local pub, and the staff – and the regular customers – are fully bought into *every single rule/law/guidance* that’s ever been issued. Really rather depressing.

On the plus side, the beer is decent.

Hoping for better tomorrow.

174750 ▶▶ mjr, replying to bucky99, 2, #1180 of 1814 🔗

hell of an echo in here…….!!!

174765 ▶▶▶ bucky99, replying to mjr, #1181 of 1814 🔗

Something to do with the local WiFi, honest guv!

174759 Basics, #1182 of 1814 🔗

Greenhalgh, Trisha was a name yesterday. There is a Lord Greenhalgh. Housing, Communities and local government minister.

Perhaps just a coincidence.

174761 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #1183 of 1814 🔗

Can anyone point me to a good source of data for average hospital admissions/numbers in hospital at this time of year please?

I’m thinking it would help to determine whether covid really is resulting in a high number of admissions, or whether the govt figures also include people being admitted for something else entirely who would have been admitted anyway but just happen to test positive for coronavirus.

174769 ▶▶ NappyFace, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1184 of 1814 🔗

I cant, but I can direct you to this – see Carl Heneghan, who says how hospital admission for respiratory infections increase 3-4 fold or up to 8-fold in a bad year (pre-Covid).

https://parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/52ee1eec-a2bf-403d-a27d-7bba077ebfcc

174773 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to NappyFace, #1185 of 1814 🔗

Thanks.

174796 ▶▶ Sasha, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1186 of 1814 🔗

NHS Key Statistics: England, February 2020 – Parliament
20 Feb 2020 — 8 NHS Key Statistics: England, February 2020.
https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-7281/CBP-7281.pdf

An average daily patient population based on January 2019
https://arc-w.nihr.ac.uk/Wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/BNSSG-COV.15-Trends-from-the-London-Trusts-medical-surgical-and-other-admissions.pdf

The total number of attendances in December 2019 was 2,181,024
The number of attendances admitted, transferred or discharged within 4 hours was 1.57m
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/01/Statistical-commentary-December-2019-v2-l9sh7.pdf

Full tables for May 2019 and an England level time series can be found on the NHS England statistics website here:
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/ae-waiting-times-and-activity/

174798 ▶▶ janis pennance, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1187 of 1814 🔗

I posted a directive from Analysis Dept NHS Leeds , confirming ALL admissions with a Covid positive 28 days before admission were counted as Covid admissions comment image ?_nc_cat=101&_nc_sid=ae9488&_nc_ohc=YuMmH2pprTcAX-AEEF0&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr6-1.fna&tp=6&oh=aa0052523d7b432193631954c35245e9&oe=5FA49CE5

175096 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to janis pennance, 1, #1188 of 1814 🔗

This is why we need a better measure – “excess” admissions just like we have excess deaths.

174767 Basics, replying to Basics, 16, #1189 of 1814 🔗

Isle of Arran has had no ‘cases’ since May – but the SNP have demanded all pubs to shut.

174794 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Basics, 2, #1190 of 1814 🔗

We can’t have half of Scotland piling onto Arran for 16 days if pubs are shut elsewhere.

174820 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #1191 of 1814 🔗

they could shut down the ferry (or put on covid marshalls at a checkpoint in Ardrossan to check if the passengers are teetotal or not )

174830 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to mjr, #1192 of 1814 🔗

Breathalizer tests. Yes. Good plan.

174808 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Basics, 3, #1193 of 1814 🔗

Bit like weeding your garden with a flamethrower isn’t it.

174775 Basics, replying to Basics, 32, #1194 of 1814 🔗

Blast from the past 12/03/20 –
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-news-face-masks-increase-risk-infection-doctor-jenny-harries-a9396811.html

“Members of the public could be putting themselves more at risk from contracting coronavirus by wearing face masks, one of England’s most senior doctors has warned.

“Jenny Harries, deputy chief medical officer, said the masks could “actually trap the virus” and cause the person wearing it to breathe it in.”

174791 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Basics, 1, #1195 of 1814 🔗

Cocaine is a hellova drug

174805 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Basics, 4, #1196 of 1814 🔗

Some of us haven’t forgotten.

174843 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to leggy, 4, #1197 of 1814 🔗

Absolutely. It’s useful if new readers see some of the early evidence, it’s striking to see how the creep has been put on.

By the by, 3 weeks to flatten the curve – that was a flat out lie told to the nation. What these CMOs CSOs SAGE etc etc would have know before the announcement of 3 weeks is tgat this was going to be much much longer. The professiinals would have been absolutely aware what they had planned was not going to be done in 3 weeks. Even allowing for the ‘novel’ aspect. It was a blatant lie spoken at that time to the nation.

174851 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Basics, 7, #1198 of 1814 🔗

3 weeks to flatten the nation would have been more appropriate.

174889 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Richard O, #1199 of 1814 🔗

Excellent.

174918 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Basics, 5, #1200 of 1814 🔗

I was told a week before lockdown by someone who worked in the home office that they were planning for 12 week lockdown.I thought that was unbelievable then

174959 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 2, #1201 of 1814 🔗

3 was a lie. You have the proof. If we can get that on SAGE dicuments etc. They certainly planned for longer than 3. It was a lie, sorry to go on about it!

174916 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Basics, 1, #1202 of 1814 🔗

Certainly seems to have happened in other countries, ie France where they’ve been enforced everywhere

174778 Laura Suckling, replying to Laura Suckling, 5, #1203 of 1814 🔗

Carol McGiffin being an ace sceptic on Talk Radio.

174782 Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 12, #1205 of 1814 🔗

“After testing positive, an Italian ambulance collected them from where they were staying and took them to a hotel being used to house people self-isolating due to coronavirus.
Now, 22 days later, three of the girls are still there in solitary confinement.”

“They’ve been tested for coronavirus several times, and have been told they can leave when they return two consecutive negative tests, which is a local measure.”

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-54465313

Excuse me for having two functioning brain cells, but doesn’t this prove that the test is faulty?

And why isn’t the British government insisting on the immediate return of these hostages?

174790 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Mr Dee, 9, #1206 of 1814 🔗

No symptoms either presumably. Literally criminal.

174784 Bill h, replying to Bill h, 17, #1207 of 1814 🔗

Karol Sikora in the Telegraph on the disgraceful efforts to smear those scientists pointing out the obvious.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/10/08/governments-bid-smear-critics-favour-letting-virus-rip-disgusting/

However, almost impossible to find in Telegraph search engine.

All the comments highly supportive.

Power to his elbow.

Cheers

174981 ▶▶ Will, replying to Bill h, 3, #1208 of 1814 🔗

The simmering anger in that article is quite something. This is a man who has sort to accentuate the positive throughout this nonsense and he is absolutely livid.

174785 Mr Dee, 1, #1209 of 1814 🔗

174792 T. Prince, replying to T. Prince, 15, #1210 of 1814 🔗

Spectator update

Labour will not vote against the 10 p.m. curfew for pubs when the rule comes before MPs next week, Sir Keir Starmer announced.

Gutless cowards

174799 ▶▶ guy153, replying to T. Prince, 2, #1211 of 1814 🔗

But will they vote for it or abstain? If the latter it should still be defeated.

174826 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to T. Prince, 9, #1212 of 1814 🔗

Bell-Ends

174831 ▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Two-Six, 4, #1213 of 1814 🔗

Ugh! Just got a little bit of puke in my mouth…..

174888 ▶▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to T. Prince, 1, #1214 of 1814 🔗

I got a whole gob full.

174886 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to T. Prince, 4, #1215 of 1814 🔗

I think I hate Keir even more than Boris and I voted for him in the leadership election !

175100 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to T. Prince, #1216 of 1814 🔗

So have they been given scientific evidence?
(Rhetorical question!)

174795 NappyFace, replying to NappyFace, 21, #1217 of 1814 🔗

Different players have different motivations to exaggerate Covid in this game:

Boris – can’t backtrack and admits he trashed the economy for nothing

Matt Hancock – likewise

Cummings – distraction from Brexit

Sturgeon – increase appetite for Scottish independence through apparent better management

The Guardian – force through big socialist agenda eg Universal Basic Income

Biden and Team – oust Trump

Pharma industry – increased profits and power

Media – sell papers/clicks/ad space etc

Up against all those, are normal people with no agenda simply wanting the truth.

174814 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to NappyFace, 3, #1218 of 1814 🔗

Let all of the above crash and burn.

174822 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to NappyFace, 3, #1219 of 1814 🔗

Neil Ferguson – exposure and pharmaceutical investment.

175373 ▶▶▶ Old Normal, replying to Achilles, #1220 of 1814 🔗

There’s zero chance of Scottish independence now. Sturgeon is no longer very popular up here and it’s only going to intensify.

A huge number of voters work in hospitality, are at university or are self employed and won’t ever vote for a party that’s harming them and the rest of the population.

174835 ▶▶ Mr Bee, replying to NappyFace, 2, #1221 of 1814 🔗

Cui bono. Who benefits? Follow the money!

174919 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to NappyFace, 3, #1222 of 1814 🔗

Don’t forget Blair, in the shadows with his Foundation linked to Gates, he’s always wanted ID, the health passport.

174804 nocheesegromit, replying to nocheesegromit, 7, #1223 of 1814 🔗

UsforThem have created a petition for students:
https://usforthem.co.uk/kids-not-convicts

It’s fairly restrained IMO but includes some important points:

  • Restoration of in-person learning for tutorials and seminars.
  • Restoration of extra-curricular activities and societies.
  • Targeted and specific quarantines only.
174816 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to nocheesegromit, 1, #1224 of 1814 🔗

Typical cowardly limited hangout, but I guess it’s a start. Too late to undo the damage already inflicted of course.

174847 ▶▶ bucky99, replying to nocheesegromit, 2, #1225 of 1814 🔗

Signed. They’re trying to do a really tough job, and are actually making some impact.

174809 mjr, replying to mjr, 7, #1226 of 1814 🔗

Council Covid messages and terminology

Just had my weekly council update email full of doom and gloom. Email subject indicates “first death in the borough since July” so no one has died of anything else?

Anyway i have emailed the councils Research Intelligence team again with many questions for them.

One thing i noticed was that rather than referring to a number of cases as they have done up to now, they are now using a different wording – that “x people have been diagnosed with covid” . This still means “tests showing a positive” but again it is a play on words that seems to intend to make it seem worse than it is – i.e. these people are ill!!

Has anyone else noticed this change in terminology?

174824 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to mjr, 3, #1227 of 1814 🔗

Just had it too. Picked up on the same.

Did you also notice the statement “16 are students (who attend university in large cities but have home addresses here)”?
Does this mean that positive student tests are being used twice to bolster local numbers?

174880 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Charlie Blue, 10, #1228 of 1814 🔗

this is the email i have sent them. i do sympathise as they are following rules and they do respond as best they

“You make a big point in the email (it is actually the subject matter) about the first death in the borough since July.  Seriously, has no one else died in the borough since July? I find that hard to believe
Or is this the first covid related death? Out of interest, do you have a figure for the number of people who died in the borough over the same time period so this death can be put into perspective.

I seriously think that many people believe that the only deaths that occur are those of people they know or otherwise covid (and some surveys also have shown that some people believe millions have died of covid just in this country!!)

Also, is it known if this death had co-morbidities, or died of something else but having had a “positive” test, or actually died of covid? Or are you just standing by the definition of “dying within 28 days of a positive test” in which case it could be any of these

I note you also mention 16 students who live in the borough who have been “diagnosed” whilst away at university. So you are including them in the local figures. Were they also included in the figures for the areas where they were tested?  So are these double counted?

I also notice that you are now referring to people being “diagnosed” with Covid. This is new. Previously i think you just referred to cases. What does a diagnosis mean?  Is it still just referring to a test that showed a positive.

Clearly from your final figures that 96 have tested “positive” and only 4 have been admitted to hospital ( not necessarily ill with covid but likely admitted for other reasons and tested on entry as per the rules which has shown a positive) it does not seem to be a serious problem .

However as usual the message seems to be making the worst possible connotation about all aspects of the covid, which is disappointing

I am not having a go at you or your team. I appreciate that you are under instructions to work with the PHE data and the limitations of this (as discussed previously) and no doubt also told how to interpret the data and how to describe it . All i am trying to do is getter a better picture of the real risk which unfortunately we are not been given”

174904 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to mjr, 1, #1229 of 1814 🔗

Great job. And good to hear that you have been getting reasonable responses. I think I will drop them a line too. The language in this latest update really troubled me, though it seems that they are now trying to provide a bit more detail.

It would be very illuminating to know if student ‘cases’ are being claimed in the same way by other home towns. Thanks for sharing.

174923 ▶▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Charlie Blue, #1230 of 1814 🔗

use the research.intelligence@ email address as shown on the link from the email

174962 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to mjr, #1231 of 1814 🔗

Thanks. Job for the weekend

175092 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Charlie Blue, #1232 of 1814 🔗

Certainly the woman from Cumbria said so in her daughter’s case.

174849 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to mjr, 3, #1233 of 1814 🔗

so no one has died of anything else?

Thanks, gave me a much needed laugh.

Our council isn’t much better; they have a bit of a monomania about it at the moment. I just wrote “UNSOLICITED INNACURATE SPAM” on it and stuck it back in the post box.

174885 ▶▶ Basics, replying to mjr, 1, #1234 of 1814 🔗

That email in time of plague? 1589 deaths this afternoon meaning 678 entire families have been wiped out since yesterday…

174811 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 4, #1235 of 1814 🔗

Lilly’s monoclonal antibodies a game changer? It looks like it. Reducing the risk and severity in old and obese.

“Impressive interim antiviral results from Lilly’s neutralizing antibody bitherapy, leading the company to already ramp up production at risk, not waiting for the now requested market authoriza tion”
That is very brave and must mean that they have found something useful and very few side effects. The price???
“Lilly’s very promising antibody treatment seems to divide by 3-4x the chance of disease progression to severity among the high risk population (old or obese). That would remove most of the nastiness of Covid-19 going into 2021.

https://investor.lilly.com/static-files/a6dfdc90-3e16-4511-9a5d-f744b7568276

Probably a cheap drug combination like ivermectin/HCQ/famitidin/melatonin/bromhexine combined with vitamin D,Zinc,AZT,doxycycline might come soon but this new drug could be the real gamechanger .It would be very expensive and mostly used in US and Europe.Perhaps the third world would use the other drugcombination. These enormous progress in treatment would change for the worse for the vaccine manufacturers. They might have an effective treatment sooner that anyone would have thought was possible. And can you have EAU(emergency authorisation) of  a C-19 vaccine if you have an easy alternative treatment?

174881 ▶▶ WhyNow, replying to swedenborg, 4, #1236 of 1814 🔗

Fantastic! So now the terminally ill can be kept alive for a few more months. I am overwhelmed with joy at this modern miracle.

174883 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to WhyNow, 1, #1237 of 1814 🔗

And Trump?

174818 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 7, #1238 of 1814 🔗

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/10/08/mandatory-masks-offices-will-considered-government-says-robert/ (paywall). That will really tempt office workers back. Glad I don’t own a dry cleaners or a sandwich shop in a business area. Masks again -it is just insane.

174837 ▶▶ T. Prince, replying to arfurmo, 4, #1239 of 1814 🔗

Saw that turd on JHB this morning. Anyone that uses the term ‘common sensical’ has got to be a bit dim

174846 ▶▶ Adam, replying to arfurmo, 15, #1240 of 1814 🔗

I will be quiting my job. I WILL NOT wear a mask in my office.

174854 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Adam, 8, #1241 of 1814 🔗

My company brought this in back in June, so this changes nothing.

I’ve worked from home throughout and have told them I will not return to the office as long as these regulations are in place.

174859 ▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Richard O, 5, #1242 of 1814 🔗

I can’t work from home. Had to go in all the way through, including evenings and weekends because of the social distancing bollocks. I’ve been dreading this for months.

174867 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Adam, 8, #1243 of 1814 🔗

I really feel for you. I have no dependents so can afford to be aggressive in my resistance. I know it will finish my career, but that is unimportant.

174869 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Richard O, 4, #1244 of 1814 🔗

I don’t either, just rent and bills to pay. Fucking shithouses!

174879 ▶▶▶▶▶ WhyNow, replying to Adam, -3, #1245 of 1814 🔗

Sorry to hear that. Just do it. I’m afraid to say that lone resistance is not a winning strategy. Do no harm is the red line.

174887 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to WhyNow, 11, #1246 of 1814 🔗

I am not going to be told what to wear on my own body. NO, NO, NO.

174912 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Adam, 5, #1247 of 1814 🔗

You might as well be hanged for a sheep as for a lamb, so you could refuse to wear a mask in the office and if they sack you the effect is much the same as if you resigned.

175082 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Adam, 3, #1248 of 1814 🔗

I would like to see where in your contract that they can dismiss you for not wearing a mask especially if you claim exemption.

Awkward Git may well be able to provide some ammo on that front.

174882 ▶▶▶▶▶ bucky99, replying to Adam, #1249 of 1814 🔗

Bugger.

174940 ▶▶▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to Adam, 3, #1250 of 1814 🔗

get the mask exempt pdf on your phone, it also has a nice page that you can show to anyone wearing mask talking to you to ask them to remove it so you can hear them properly! Themn get he fake checkin app for your phone then youa re free no mask no trace happy days

174960 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Iansn, 6, #1251 of 1814 🔗

Not prepared to claim exemption, just not going to wear one on principle. It is wrong!

175085 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Adam, #1252 of 1814 🔗

Suely that’s a “reasonable excuse” for not wearing one? Perfectly legal!

174856 ▶▶▶ bucky99, replying to Adam, 3, #1253 of 1814 🔗

💯

174964 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Adam, 1, #1254 of 1814 🔗

Much as I admire your determination. Unless you have a psychological aversion to wearing a mask, in which circumstance you are exempt, please think long and hard before you martyr yourself. It is a load of bollocks but times are going to be very, very hard in the next couple of years and it might be better to choose a different a different and less damaging front on which to fight your battle.

174978 ▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Will, 7, #1255 of 1814 🔗

It’s not just about battling against the bullshit, it’s also about my own well being. I am not prepared to risk mine by having a filthy, stinking, damp rag stuck to my boat race for 8/9 hours a day.

175066 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Adam, 2, #1256 of 1814 🔗

That sounds like an exemption to me.

175136 ▶▶▶▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to Adam, 1, #1257 of 1814 🔗

Don’t forget that it’s quite a low bar for exemption: if you can claim that it would cause you “severe distress” to wear one, you can be exempt. It sounds like you have hit that threshold.

174875 ▶▶ Richard, replying to arfurmo, 6, #1258 of 1814 🔗

Business areas are done. September once the schools had gone back was the critical point. The City for example is empty and people are changing where they live – further out etc. It’s never going back to how it was on February.

174909 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Richard, 6, #1259 of 1814 🔗

I agree.September should have been the catalyst for a return to normality.This will cause a revolution in the way we live and work.Massive economic upheaval is coming

175084 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to arfurmo, 1, #1260 of 1814 🔗

Some great comments – and some unusually strong language for the DT!

174823 Schrodinger, replying to Schrodinger, 2, #1261 of 1814 🔗

Excellent interview touching on the collateral damage and where things went wrong

https://youtu.be/s9wjPzwvA_I?t=555

174905 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Schrodinger, #1262 of 1814 🔗

Thank you. Cannot recommend this enough.

174834 theanalyst, replying to theanalyst, 5, #1263 of 1814 🔗

Latest Weekly Test & Trace Report now out

So I used to enjoy analyzing these previously important weekly NHS Test & Trace “Department of Health & Social Care” Statistical Bulletins, but because they lost credibility and are now another part of the problem, the shine has unfortunately rubbed off.

In the latest “hot of the press” report 24th to 30th Sept, see Annex A: Tables.

Pillar 1 Positivity Rate = 5,855/ 177,505 = 3.299% – Pillar 1 is known to be more accurate, but has many false positives, whatever that means.
Pillar 2 Positivity Rate = 45,620/411,390 = 11.09% – Pillar 2 Commercial Labs (similar levels to Spain, ouch)

The money making basta%ds who are milking this imaginary crisis are just testing whoever returns the kit and are getting a hit rate of 11 in 100. Wow. Boris loves this. The gift that keeps giving.

Here is the report link.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/925079/Test_and_Trace_Week18_v2.pdf

Following the money

For those who can be arsed to follow the PRC test money…here you are for a start (just an example)…40 million quid profit to trouser in just 6 months to June 2020, starting from 1 million quid loss. Surely they owe a big fat thanks to WHO, plus a Mr Handcock and Mr Johnson, and friends.

https://www.sharesmagazine.co.uk/news/market/7086268/Half-year-2020-results
https://www.sharesmagazine.co.uk/news/shares/novacyt-shares-hit-all-time-high-after-winning-major-contract

174868 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to theanalyst, 2, #1264 of 1814 🔗

Frau Krankie is currently posting a level of 13% daily for Scotland.

174993 ▶▶▶ theanalyst, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1265 of 1814 🔗

Yes…..Driven by 22% in Glasgow Central…innocent students!

174836 Nessimmersion, replying to Nessimmersion, 23, #1266 of 1814 🔗

Latest verdict on Krankies attempt to outdo Lukashenko.

174871 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Nessimmersion, 3, #1267 of 1814 🔗

Fantastic!

Is it just me, or does anyone else find this sign language stuff a big irritation and a distraction? Wouldn’t subtitles be better?

174877 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Tenchy, 5, #1268 of 1814 🔗

Not just you!
It probably provides 150+ jobs at the BBC though, so someone’s little empire would get broken up if we moved to subtitles.

174953 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1269 of 1814 🔗

Why is it always a big burd aswell? No offence big burds!

174884 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Nessimmersion, #1270 of 1814 🔗

Hehe… I remember Toby doing a picture of Nic and Bane (batman) that similarly tickled me. Wish I could find it …

175128 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #1271 of 1814 🔗

And as if by magic

175311 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Nessimmersion, #1272 of 1814 🔗

Before she got the one with the natty embroidered initials. Perhaps I should get one too given the embarrassing coincidence.

174845 GetaGrip, replying to GetaGrip, 8, #1273 of 1814 🔗

In HMP Scotland with one child locked up at Aberdeen Uni, and the other shafted by the SNP’s ‘no Nat 5 exams’ dictat next year. Anyone with a normalish non-inky swot teenage boy knows these creatures need exam targets to rouse them from inate idleness and acheive. Thanks Sturgeon – the political gift which keeps on taking.

Looking for a safe haven UK-wide or maybe any Europe non-quarantine to bolt to during the October School Holidays. Sturg says don’t travel, so it is our civic duty to do so. Any suggestions?

The one morale boost of the day – My face-bib with Swedish flag design has arrived! Perfect for warding off evil spirit… or whatever this mask wearing is about…whilst triggering covid zealots and the hard-of-thinking even more than a no-mask, methinks.

175014 ▶▶ FiFiTrixabelle, replying to GetaGrip, 1, #1274 of 1814 🔗

Having the same debate in this house re the half term getaway…and afraid we are coming up short on suggestions. There’s just no joy in actually trying to plan anything.
Also in same position with a teenage boy going for exams next year. Any glimpse of motivation now gone. I’m sure none of the decisions re exams this year and next have anything to do with the fact that 16 year olds can vote in the Scottish election….

175141 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to FiFiTrixabelle, #1275 of 1814 🔗

What Scottish election? I’m sure Nic Sturg-Un will have it ‘delayed’.

174848 Steeve, 4, #1276 of 1814 🔗

Today I was having problems with break lights so have asked 4 people at different locations for help to see if they are coming on or not.

What I noticed is that people acted as if they were busy but helped and then stayed for a chat.

The best though was an openreach worker. I said “would you mind checking the lights when I press the break peddle” he said “I need to put some hand gel on”, then he realised he just had to look, and turned back!!

174850 Basics, replying to Basics, 3, #1277 of 1814 🔗

NZ government guy CMO? Slips up as he is busy tellibg Kiwi’s their homes are not safe.
Short 1 min clip.
https://twitter.com/smudgesworld2/status/1314160296639037441?s=20

174860 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Basics, 1, #1278 of 1814 🔗

Good spot!

174862 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Basics, #1279 of 1814 🔗

Well spotted!

174987 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Basics, 1, #1280 of 1814 🔗

Wow! That’s a dead giveaway!

175074 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Basics, 1, #1281 of 1814 🔗

Busted! Though if he’s saying we can catch it at home, then we all might as well go out hadn’t we.

175138 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Basics, #1282 of 1814 🔗

That’s gold!

174855 Bart Simpson, 2, #1283 of 1814 🔗

Found this on Twitter. It’s actually a good summary of what to do when it comes to muzzles, temperature checks, etc:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=y-8oTFK9CAQ&app=desktop

174857 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1284 of 1814 🔗

My MP doing his bit for his constituents.
Look at the barefaced lies in Wankock’s response. Breathtaking!

Jason McCartney (Colne Valley) (Con) Covid case data is used to decide which areas are in local lockdown, with the impact on hospitality businesses and families visiting loved ones in care homes, and the detrimental effect on the mental health of those missing out on social interactions. Can the Secretary of State assure me and my constituents that the data used to put us in local restrictions is up to date and accurate, and that when we start to get cases down, and as soon as it is safe, we can come out of local restrictions?

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Matt Hancock My hon. Friend makes an incredibly important point. We are of course vigilant and we have to bring in local action in some cases, as we have in his area, but we will also bring areas out of restrictions when it is safe to do so, as we did in his area, although unfortunately it then had to go back in again. I would prefer it if places did not come in, out and back in again in that way, but my view is that that is better than leaving the measures in place when they are not needed.
We publish the data, which has now been updated to take into account the issues we had over the weekend, and we will have in place the minimum interventions that are necessary to keep the virus suppressed and to protect the economy, education and the NHS as much as possible until the vaccine arrives. That is the strategy, which is true in Colne Valley and true right across the country, and I look forward to working with you, Mr Deputy Speaker, and colleagues across the House to help the country to get through this.

174864 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #1285 of 1814 🔗

until the vaccine arrives “.

That’ll be never for me, Minister of Death. I strongly suspect neither you nor any of your family will be taking it either.

174899 ▶▶▶ Ossettian, replying to Richard O, 3, #1286 of 1814 🔗

His mother-in-law is actually first on the list.

She’s told her daughter “I said yoiu shouldn’t have married that gimp” 153 times in his hearing.

175125 ▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to Cheezilla, #1287 of 1814 🔗

My MP too, and a charlatan: one of those who is practically begging for extra restrictions and then, as soon as they are imposed, begging to be let out again. I think he thinks this looks like he is reflecting both sides of the argument.

174861 Basics, replying to Basics, 6, #1288 of 1814 🔗

Chelsea Clinton and Devi Sridhar: Five tasks for the new WHO DG

https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2017/05/24/chelsea-clinton-and-devi-sridhar-the-new-dg-of-the-who-must-outline-his-vision-for-the-organization/

That’s right Chelsea Clinton and Devi Sridhar set out five tasks for the newly elected Director General of the WHO in 2017. Read all about it in the British Medical Journal.

174865 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Basics, 10, #1289 of 1814 🔗

Who else in the world would be more qualified than those two to advise The Director of the WHO.
This is getting silly now. Can we just stop this.

174874 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Two-Six, 2, #1290 of 1814 🔗

Catch the picture on the article to know how right your comment is. Chelsea Clinton is awfully peely-wally looking.

174878 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Two-Six, 4, #1291 of 1814 🔗

BBC Scotland radio put it to Gupta today – what does Gupta know that Devi doesn’t? Can you imagine how brain frazzling that question must have been for Gupta? She dealt with it perfectly and decisively too.

175234 ▶▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Basics, #1292 of 1814 🔗

What did she say?

174866 WhyNow, replying to WhyNow, 27, #1293 of 1814 🔗

We have unprecedented reporting of testing, hospitalisation, ICU and deaths for Covid. But “unprecedented” also means nothing to compare it with. Every year the NHS clears the decks to deal with seasonal respiratory diseases. Every year, the terminally ill in hospitals and care homes succumb to a respiratory infection.

If you were to report this as Covid is now being reported, it would be exactly the same. You would see the same “exponential” rise (that’s how infection works!). You would see the same hospitals “overwhelmed” with cases (that’s why they are the size the are!). You would see “excess deaths”.

It is almost as though the academics have discovered an infectious disease for the first time and are excited by it.

174900 ▶▶ James007, replying to WhyNow, 7, #1294 of 1814 🔗

True.
This must be the first time academics have proposed eliminating an infectious disease at any cost. No professional would propose a dangerous solution to a problem, without considering costs and risks.
I love your username. The most important questions usually begin with ‘why?’ Usually the questions most people don’t ask.

174870 PastImperfect, 4, #1295 of 1814 🔗

Oct 17 & 24

Need to gather in large numbers.

https://www.facebook.com/SaveOurRightsUK/videos/332946904461895

174894 Basics, 17, #1296 of 1814 🔗

Daytime UK television person Carol McGiffin has been on talk Radio. She says she won’t take a vaccine for Covid19.

174895 Danny, replying to Danny, 21, #1297 of 1814 🔗

Another first today. This time in my local laundry.

A sign reads that you should wear a face mask, but that “whilst it is respected that some customers are unable it would be expected that a PPE clear mask be worn in its place”.

Not sure the laundry has quite understood the concept of mask exemption there.

174907 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Danny, 2, #1298 of 1814 🔗

Took me a few seconds to process that before I realised that by ‘PPE clear mask’ they meant one of those stupid visors! At least I think that’s what they mean…

174910 ▶▶▶ Danny, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 3, #1299 of 1814 🔗

Yep it threw me too. So now being mask exempt means just wearing different mask?

175062 ▶▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Danny, 4, #1300 of 1814 🔗

Even the DHSC propaganda draws the line at the visor by saying they are completely unsuitable. It’s not even about exemption at this point. It just shows how fucking clueless, compliant and unquestioning the average member of the public is when it comes to the why’s and wherefore’s of mask wearing.

175165 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 1, #1301 of 1814 🔗

They also state not to wear one with a filter. That is something I am still trying to get my head around

175189 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1302 of 1814 🔗

Do you mean one with a filter and exhale valve aka a respirator?

174896 AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 2, #1303 of 1814 🔗

Everyone waiting for the vaccine should be made to watch this –

CHD puts a face on transverse myelitis.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoWRrtazgN8

175162 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, #1304 of 1814 🔗

The cost of doing business

174901 Basics, replying to Basics, 4, #1305 of 1814 🔗

Morbidly obese burden to the NHS Stephen Nolan BBC Northern Ireland tv presenter confronts member of the public.

Carl Vernon.

https://youtu.be/TP3Nhe-iN3M

174924 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Basics, 2, #1306 of 1814 🔗

Tweet from Nolan:
Breaking :
Health Minister Robin Swann says NI is very close to the stage where all office workers , and anybody “anywhere in society” inside a building will have to wear a face mask if they cannot stay apart .
More on Nolan Live at 1045pm, BBC1
https://twitter.com/StephenNolan/status/1313909465058607104?s=20

174933 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Basics, 4, #1307 of 1814 🔗

Breaking (+1 month): anybody “anywhere in society” will have to wear a face mask.

174946 ▶▶▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to Richard O, 12, #1308 of 1814 🔗

Hmm – that’s the hill I will die on I think.

174961 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Jakehadlee, 5, #1309 of 1814 🔗

I can promise that you will be in good company.

174974 ▶▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Richard O, 2, #1310 of 1814 🔗

Cant do it

174998 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Richard O, 1, #1311 of 1814 🔗

I read today they’d be mandatory in schools from next week. It may be time to get out of Dodge.

174967 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Basics, 3, #1312 of 1814 🔗

But they don’t fucking work!!!!!!

175182 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Basics, 1, #1313 of 1814 🔗

If you can stomach it I’d ask you watch the show on the I player to see just how incredible the propaganda is. They had the top Epidemiologist from the region on to defend masks. And his top choice for evidence?

The famous DELVE hamster study. The non peer reviewed hamsters getting Covid is now the basis for public health policy in Northern Ireland.

The evidence for masks is weak, but he could have chosen from many others. Nolan proceeded to talk it up and repeated it on his radio show this morning. Unbelievable stuff, but then these are messed up times.

https://www.businessinsider.com/photos-inside-widely-shared-hamster-study-on-masks-coronavirus-2020-5

174906 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #1314 of 1814 🔗

Neil Oliver on fine form here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rDM9EXVOLg

175151 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Bart Simpson, #1315 of 1814 🔗

Would love to be sitting in his gaff there shooting the breeze on matters. Great character

174908 nowhereman, replying to nowhereman, 15, #1316 of 1814 🔗

Gentle reminder about this petition, which has passed the moderation stage so is fully live…

Please spread this far and wide, especially those active on social media.

Nullify non-disclosure agreements/gagging orders for NHS staff for covid-19
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/550598
Pass legislation to make null and void any non-disclosure agreements or gagging orders, irrespective of when entered into, when related to covid-19 (sars-cov-2), and to protect any staff who speak out. Apply to all current and former employees, directly or indirectly employed by the NHS.

174935 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to nowhereman, 1, #1317 of 1814 🔗

Signed.

I’m losing track of the number of petitions I’ve signed, I think it might be 5 now?

174941 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Richard O, 1, #1318 of 1814 🔗

Don’t worry Richard they do hee haw with them anyway.

174945 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to JHuntz, 3, #1319 of 1814 🔗

True. At least we have formally registered our objection to multiple areas of government policy.

174965 ▶▶ Thinkaboutit, replying to nowhereman, #1320 of 1814 🔗

Done

174992 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to nowhereman, #1321 of 1814 🔗

When I try to sign this it shows only 5 other people have done so. I add my details. Wait for the email to come and when I get it and click the link it takes me back to the very first page and shows 58 signatures.

175132 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to nowhereman, #1322 of 1814 🔗

Done

174911 AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 2, #1323 of 1814 🔗
174928 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 1, #1324 of 1814 🔗

Good one! Thanks.

174914 Paul, replying to Paul, 22, #1326 of 1814 🔗

Due to my GP’s surgery messing my prescription up,as they do every single month,I had to go there to sort it out,again.
Obviously disgusting,infected,dirty peasants can’t just walk in.The locked entrance door is surrounded by numerous,tattered notices telling you everything you must not do,the overall message seems to be piss-off we don’t want you here.So I had to ring the reception desk even though I was only standing twenty feet away from it.The receptionist said she would sort my prescription out and that I should go to the reception in ten minutes,I confirmed that I would be at the desk in ten minutes,she sounded horrified and said,’Oh,no,don’t do that,no,don’t come in !,wait outside'(I couldn’t get in any way the door was locked).Eventually the main door opened a little bit and a woman’s head and shoulders,with a welding mask on,squeezed through the gap and stretched as far as she could to hand me the prescription before quickly retreating.
More proof that NHS GP surgeries want to have as little contact with actual real-life patients as possible.
This treatment mirrors what a friend told me her surgery is like,in that one the pharmacy is in the same building and they basically throw the medication at her from the door.

174921 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Paul, 7, #1327 of 1814 🔗

Morons!

174930 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Paul, 5, #1328 of 1814 🔗

Its strange because after work their life must be like everyone else’s or do they run home and hide there too.

174939 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Dan Clarke, 5, #1329 of 1814 🔗

They have probably made a little plastic tent inside their living rooms to sit or sleep in in with some of those glove you put your arms into so they can hug family members in safety and a little flap for food.

174949 ▶▶▶▶ Paul, replying to Two-Six, 2, #1330 of 1814 🔗

And presumably a little flap the other end for the opposite of food !.

174957 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Paul, 3, #1331 of 1814 🔗

Probably a special pipe

174944 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Paul, 3, #1332 of 1814 🔗

When I took my daughter a couple of weeks ago and waiting to go in, I noticed a poster at child level saying ‘Masks are not for babies’. I very loudly said “Masks are not just not for babies, they’re not for anyone!!”

175256 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Paul, 2, #1333 of 1814 🔗

GP’s receptionists need to be peeled and rolled in salt.

Every last one of them.

175300 ▶▶ Steve, replying to Paul, 1, #1334 of 1814 🔗

The closest GP to where I live, on Eaves Lane Chorley, closed before the lockdown even began and still hasn’t reopened. No ones even been round to mend the broken gutter or clear the weeds. I’m assuming its closed for good now.

174915 Basics, replying to Basics, 5, #1335 of 1814 🔗

Sorry i cannot post this image. Devi Sridhar in the past has coauthored a paper calling for alcohol to be the next target of WHO –

https://twitter.com/CPurposer/status/1314136316842573824?s=20

174920 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Basics, 2, #1336 of 1814 🔗

Wow. That’s quite a discovery.
I note someone’s sent it to David Scott.

174925 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1337 of 1814 🔗

He has a good twitter account full of discoveries the other side would prefer not publicised.

175006 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Basics, #1338 of 1814 🔗

Don’t do twitter but I’m a big fan of David Scott.

175022 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1339 of 1814 🔗

Here’s a discussion of a prophetic speech by Churchill:

… an attack not only upon British enterprise but upon the right of an ordinary man or woman to breathe freely; like having a harsh, clumsy, tyrannical hand crash across their mouths and nostrils.

https://www.ukcolumn.org/churchill-gestapo-speech-reconsidered

175070 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1340 of 1814 🔗

See David Scott on Northern Exposure Channel discussing the gestapo speech with David Ellis. It is a fascinating discussion.

175064 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1341 of 1814 🔗

I dont do twitter either. I look at some accounts of people I find good. It’s a useful exchange. Toxic of course so treat with extreme caution.

174926 ▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to Basics, 9, #1342 of 1814 🔗

It’s why I brew my own. You’re all welcome round for a dram – no masks here!

174931 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Basics, 3, #1343 of 1814 🔗

here you are

174951 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to mjr, 1, #1344 of 1814 🔗

Thanks mjr. A good addition to LS as archive of these times.

175045 ▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to mjr, 3, #1345 of 1814 🔗

Yes. Once the bastards had got done with persecuting the smokers they were always going to come after the drinkers. The problem about public health is that it’s not about health but about control.

174937 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Basics, 9, #1346 of 1814 🔗

Not sure when I last had a drink, but just opened a bottle of wine on principle.

174952 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #1347 of 1814 🔗

That is exactly the spirit. Cheers!

174966 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Charlie Blue, 6, #1348 of 1814 🔗

It’s not principle for me. It’s necessary medicine to survive this current social virus.

175019 ▶▶▶▶ sceptickat, replying to RickH, 4, #1349 of 1814 🔗

I’m drinking more than ever, and sleeping less than ever. All because we have no real voice. My MP isn’t interested, my stress levels are through the roof.

175129 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to sceptickat, 1, #1350 of 1814 🔗

I feel you on that. Totally voiceless.

174947 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Basics, 7, #1351 of 1814 🔗

That’s a great find Basics. I have posted about Temperance motivations on here previously. Chris Whitty also did some work on alcohol among students in the early 1990s. Somehow I am not surprised by this, but by the same token I find it very worrying. Seems the lessons of Prohibition in the US (1919-1933) will, sadly, have to be relearned by a generation of Temperance promoters. Let’s see what Diageo and Pernod Ricard have to say about this.

174971 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Basics, 5, #1352 of 1814 🔗

She needs to be put back in her box. Such delusionary sociopathic illness deserves treatment, not indulgence.

174977 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to RickH, 4, #1353 of 1814 🔗

I can think of a box I’d like to put her into, but that would be immoral. Or would it?

175028 ▶▶▶▶ sceptickat, replying to Richard O, 6, #1354 of 1814 🔗

No it wouldn’t. I live in Berkshire and have been told of someone who is getting married in Scotland this weekend. His parents are travelling up there, only eight going to the wedding in a nice hotel. Now they are told they can’t drink at the reception unless they go outside! No wine at the table! What a spiteful bitch Sturgeon is.

174917 Nic, replying to Nic, 26, #1355 of 1814 🔗

Just looked at worldometer ,positive tests are shooting up in belgium,holland italy everywhere regardless of what restrictions they , have seems the tougher the restrictions the more they get@
Meanwhile in sweden

175038 ▶▶ JulieR, replying to Nic, 2, #1356 of 1814 🔗

The same everywhere – casedemic.
And people are protesting in all those countries but they don’t tell us that.

175094 ▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Nic, 5, #1357 of 1814 🔗

That’s what might ultimately give away the plot. If they wanted to have us believe that masks, distancing and lockdowns really work, they’d slow the testing at the very time they put in the restrictions so it would look like the restrictions were actually working. But they keep increasing the testing while also increasing the restrictions, which makes it obvious that the restrictions aren’t working. That, combined with the very low death rates, should wake people up and yet it isn’t. It’s bonkers.

174922 Marialta, replying to Marialta, 72, #1358 of 1814 🔗

This is my first comment on here! I think we must now join local action groups to distribute leaflets & agitate in public! We are doing this in Eastbourne this weekend. Britain Free have local groups and we are trying to change those who are slavishly following the restrictions. Reading these comments has strengthened my resolve. Yesterday I went for a mammogram and refused to wear a mask. I’m 70 but felt the same rebelliousness I had in my youth. They acted as if I was an alien and kept me waiting outside the mobile unit behind a cordon draped with a ‘do not enter’ sign for ages while they found me an ill-fitting ridiculous visor. I took that off soon after. Today I shopped in Lidl and no one questioned me not wearing a mask. We’ve got to get out and tell people what we know is true.

174932 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Marialta, 13, #1359 of 1814 🔗

Welcome aboard.

174954 ▶▶ bucky99, replying to Marialta, 5, #1360 of 1814 🔗

Top work!

174955 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Marialta, 8, #1361 of 1814 🔗

Welcome, and brilliant that you are already taking the fight to the streets.

175008 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Richard O, 4, #1362 of 1814 🔗

Thanks for all your support I’ll let you know how we get on,

174963 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Marialta, 9, #1363 of 1814 🔗

Welcome to the fray! If you need some free posters, I have a few bits here . They’re probably not to everyone’s taste, but I thought I’d mention it.

If you have any ideas or slogans, please post them in the comments and I’ll see what I can do. I’m no artist, but what I lack in talent I make up for with incandescent rage.

175194 ▶▶▶ NappyFace, replying to Mabel Cow, #1364 of 1814 🔗

Any recommendations for decent home printers?

175202 ▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Mabel Cow, #1365 of 1814 🔗

I do like your posters. In half a mind to print a load and distribute them. Will need to buy a printer cartridge first though lol. How about some posters that counter the NHS religion narrative? Something like the rainbow, but with slogans like ‘Cancelled cancer screening, save the Negligent Health Service’, or ‘No face to face G.P. appointments…’, or ‘No access to mental health services…’ etc etc?

174969 ▶▶ James Bertram, replying to Marialta, 1, #1366 of 1814 🔗

Thanks, Marialta. Was unaware of KBF Local Groups:
https://www.keepbritainfree.com/forum/kbf-local

175305 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to James Bertram, 1, #1367 of 1814 🔗

Yes I was too. I’m setting up a local group. There’s 8 of us and growing x

175086 ▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Marialta, 2, #1369 of 1814 🔗

You’re awesome! Welcome aboard the crazy train. Actually, we’re the only ones not on the crazy train.

175091 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Marialta, 2, #1370 of 1814 🔗

Welcome to the real normal club.

174927 cloud6, replying to cloud6, 21, #1371 of 1814 🔗

A top Russian Doctor from a leading research project has revealed that the wearing of beards not only spreads Covid-19 but are a serious health hazard to the wearer. The Doctor had found the virus droplets were staying on the beard and being inhaled back into the mouth and nose. This is such a serious threat that it is recommended the individual should self isolate for 28 days so as to protect others.

The UK Government is taking this seriously and further measures will be taken in the next few days. Matt Hancock is to meet Sage tomorrow for urgent talks.

174958 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to cloud6, 7, #1372 of 1814 🔗

Presumably a wind up….or is it?

If not, I’ll add it to the long list of Covid crimes that will condemn me to the gulag.

174973 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to cloud6, 3, #1373 of 1814 🔗

Ross Perot – legendary independent Presidential Candidate who got just shy of 20% of the popular vote in 1992 despite entering, withdrawing, and then re-entering the race very late – wanted to ban beards! (presumably his considerably bearded running mate claimed an exemption…)

174984 ▶▶ leggy, replying to cloud6, 2, #1374 of 1814 🔗

Beard hair follicle removal treatment all round Gentlemen. Maybe the NHS will prioritise that.

174999 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to leggy, 3, #1375 of 1814 🔗

I suspect the Sikhs will have something to say about that!

175001 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to cloud6, #1376 of 1814 🔗

Beards. It’s not incompetence. It’s not a conspiracy. It’s just insanity.

175012 ▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to cloud6, #1377 of 1814 🔗

Wasn’t there a Tsar (Peter the Great?) who imposed a ‘beard tax’ pretty much on a personal whim that they weren’t ‘modern’?

175016 ▶▶ DRW, replying to cloud6, 1, #1378 of 1814 🔗

Just use the Power of the Mask and it won’t be an issue.

175036 ▶▶ mjr, replying to cloud6, 1, #1379 of 1814 🔗

damned pogonophobes

175049 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to cloud6, 1, #1380 of 1814 🔗

on that basis there ought to be two hot spots in London-Southall and Shoreditch

174943 JHuntz, replying to JHuntz, 11, #1381 of 1814 🔗

Well done Nic I was managing to get my life back in order til you shut everything done again. Midweek 4 beers it is. Cheers!

175000 ▶▶ bucky99, replying to JHuntz, 3, #1382 of 1814 🔗

Poisoned dwarf.

175033 ▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to bucky99, 2, #1383 of 1814 🔗

Never mind poisoned dwarf; fucking Demented Dwarf.

174972 Biker, replying to Biker, 52, #1384 of 1814 🔗

The absolute bastards want to make us queue to get into supermarkets again. I fucking despise Sturgeon and every fucking cunt that supports her. They are determined to destroy us. How can these obviously retarded fucks have any control over my life. Scotland is fucked, we’re so fucked i can hardly breathe. I really am at a loss why she thinks this is necessary. It seems to me that Scotland has been chosen to be destroyed. and that fucking cow Sturgeon is making it happen. When they bring in their insane hate speech laws we won’t even be able to complain about it either. There is no hope left.

174976 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Biker, 1, #1385 of 1814 🔗

Any better on the islands do you think?

175030 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to leggy, 5, #1386 of 1814 🔗

My intelligence from the Islands is that the second homes/immigrant/retiree brigade were quite self-satisfied and happy with the isolation shit – but obviously in conflict with those needing to earn a living.

175083 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to leggy, 11, #1387 of 1814 🔗

The people of Ullapool have a real hard-on for wearing the masks. I was up there the other day on my bike and every fucker was wearing one. I think the only thing to have died up there in the last six months was a local cat ran over by the postman

175120 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Biker, 6, #1388 of 1814 🔗

It’s quite an “arty” little community isn’t it? I bet they are doing a roaring trade in hand woven tartan face-nappies made from hand spun and naturally dyed alpaca wool.

175161 ▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Two-Six, 4, #1389 of 1814 🔗

i know a few people who live there and everyone is a drunk arsehole. It’s a shit place.

175615 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Biker, #1390 of 1814 🔗

We went into a pub there once, there were about 4 guys in there, scruffy and drunk as fuck. It really was funny. They had been in there all day.

174991 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Biker, 3, #1391 of 1814 🔗

Swinney education was mentioned by name as advocating the reinstatement of the queues.

Scottish weather… Autumn to Winter… queuing outside.

174994 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Basics, 9, #1392 of 1814 🔗

The claimed point is to ‘re-establish’ the 2 metre isolating distance because the population caught up in this giant game of let’s pretend have been tending towards an undesired 1 meter.

175002 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Basics, 22, #1393 of 1814 🔗

Swinney has cancelled my sons exams next year. He’s a fucking arsehole of a man and doesn’t give a fuck about my sons education.
As far as i can tell these fuckers are on hundreds of thousands of my tax dollars money a year and are not suffering in any way whatsoever. The Scottish Government have become tyrannical and as such must be fought and rebelled against. I can’t take it any more

175013 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Biker, 8, #1394 of 1814 🔗

Can only agree biker. As someone else said earlier the exam cancel means motivation will be gone from many – not their fault.

Adding this from local rag –

Edinburgh hotel boss hits back at new restrictions in blistering letter to government
“Within five minutes of the announcement being made we received six cancellations for bookings over the coming weekend of 9th October”

Supermarket carparks are no place for queues 2°c in north tonight. Put a shower of rain with that or a windchill.

175020 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Basics, 8, #1395 of 1814 🔗

Here’s another story from same local source.

‘Our hearts are breaking’: Edinburgh café closes for good after 10 years due to hospitality lockdown
Spoon has been trading on Edinburgh’s Nicolson Street for over a decade but has had to shut its doors for good following ‘an utterly crap year’

Spoon had the USP as being a place where Harry Potter was penned – though it was not Spoon at the time.

175043 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Basics, 4, #1396 of 1814 🔗

given that JK is worth upwards of £500 million you would have thought she would put her hand in her sporran for sentimental reasons if nothing else

175058 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to mjr, #1397 of 1814 🔗

Theres a histiry to it. It was in her family -inlaw. I don’t know the ins and outs.

175107 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to mjr, 4, #1398 of 1814 🔗

Possibly but then again why the f*** should she, it was a perfectly functional going concern before the Natzis decided to shut down successful businesses again.

175105 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Biker, 3, #1399 of 1814 🔗

Why do you stay? Literally everything is better in the south-east of England, and we still welcome your lot down here, in contrast to the reception we tend to get up there.

174995 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Biker, 14, #1400 of 1814 🔗

Sturgeon missed a trick. Imagine if she’d allied with Sweden and painted Johnson as the stupid Saxon destroying the Scottish economy. The independence movement would be unstoppable by now.

175031 ▶▶▶ Graham3, replying to OKUK, #1401 of 1814 🔗

Too busy black-catting each other.

175057 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to OKUK, 9, #1402 of 1814 🔗

I know. I don’t understand why she’s doing this. It can’t be about the virus and must be about something else. She is destroying Scotland and i won’t be standing for any of them SNP wankers claiming they have Scotlands best interest at heart any more. If they can’t see she is working for a different agenda then i don’t know what to say to them. Bring it on then. I long to see the lazy doley shell suit wearing scum that have leeched for us working people suffer. I can’t wait until there are hundreds of thousands of these piss poor scots too fucking drunk and dumb to know any better standing in line for their free box of porridge and told that’s all the food for you and your 15 ginger fat bairns. I’ve always been embarrassed by my accent because people can tell straight away you’re from a fucking backwater like Scotland, now i’m ashamed. And i sound very reasonable too, enunciate every word clear and precise. Something i learned at an early age when faced with fucking dronggoes all around me.

175116 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Biker, 3, #1403 of 1814 🔗

She is , like the blonde blob and many others around the world,doing it for her own gain. If any of them actually gave a shit about anybody, they would stand forward, own it and let us get on with it.

174982 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #1404 of 1814 🔗

Are we at the tipping point yet?

174990 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #1405 of 1814 🔗

We need to be….
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/08/christmas-lockdown-tough-restrictions-not-introduced-now-sage/

John Edmunds: “A new lockdown is needed immediately otherwise the country will still be living under social restrictions over Christmas, a Government scientific adviser has warned”

174996 ▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Charlie Blue, 38, #1406 of 1814 🔗

I’m personally fed up of being blackmailed by this government. Continue to ignore the rules, and let them fucking lockdown at Christmas. Fucking bring it on. Will simply take no notice.

175011 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Adam, 2, #1407 of 1814 🔗

The only thing that surprises me is that they haven’t already done it. And I’ve little doubt that there will than be no let up again until spring.

175026 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Adam, 26, #1408 of 1814 🔗

The government is like an abusive partner. We know what they are going to do; we know they are going to do it regardless of any choices we or anybody else might make; but Johnson will still package it as ‘Look what you made me do.’

175080 ▶▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Ovis, 1, #1409 of 1814 🔗

Good analogy!

175007 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Charlie Blue, 6, #1410 of 1814 🔗

Would anybody believe that a new lockdown would be over by Christmas?

175015 ▶▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Edward, #1411 of 1814 🔗

Only if you let it

175179 ▶▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Edward, 1, #1412 of 1814 🔗

Has the first three weeks ended then ? Don’t feel like it.

175010 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Charlie Blue, 11, #1413 of 1814 🔗

John Edmunds is a knob!

175059 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Ceriain, 5, #1414 of 1814 🔗

An arrogant knob.

175180 ▶▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Ceriain, #1415 of 1814 🔗

Agreed.

175021 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #1416 of 1814 🔗

So far my resistance has been 100%, intend to keep it that way. Stopped in a shop about my non mask, told them I had a lanyard and that someone had already made a comment and ended up getting sympathy about that.

175088 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Dan Clarke, 10, #1417 of 1814 🔗

I will never wear the lanyard… if anyone stops or asks me they get both barrels. I’m not going to walk around with a ‘look at me, I’m some kind of spaz’ badge on my chest. Fuck.That.

175097 ▶▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to AidanR, 2, #1418 of 1814 🔗

Agree

175023 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Charlie Blue, 24, #1419 of 1814 🔗

The lockdown hasn’t gone away. We are to live like this forever. This is never going away unless millions take to the streets and demand it. We now live under a tyrannical government that is hell bent on destroying you and your family. A handful of globalist common purpose scum have taken over and the people doped up on booze, weed and chemicals in the food are lying back and taking it. Those of us here on this site will be dealt with by a special squad of arsehole just waiting to round us up. Make no mistake the internment of folk like me is nearly here. We will just disappear in the night and no one will give a fuck. I truly believe that the lockdown zealots would stand back and watch them take away their own children to be murdered in a camp and they support it. For the greater good you understand.

175167 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Biker, 2, #1420 of 1814 🔗

Protest marches, October 17 and 24.

175176 ▶▶▶▶ Christopher, replying to Biker, 3, #1421 of 1814 🔗

Ultimately this won’t end till the traitor class are all dragged from their homes screaming and hung from lamp posts .
Many patriots will die in the process.

175024 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #1422 of 1814 🔗

I am sick to the back teeth of hearing what Edmunds has got to say about anything!

175032 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Tenchy, 5, #1423 of 1814 🔗

I was happy with what he said back in early march, he was very relaxed saying – protect the vulnerable and wait for herd immunity

Shortly afterwards his sponsors reprogramed him

175046 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #1424 of 1814 🔗

He’s a right twat bag and I hold him almost personally responsible for the schools closing as he described kids as viral buckets back in March.

175052 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Charlie Blue, 7, #1425 of 1814 🔗

“So this is Christmas…
And what have you done?
Locked down the whole country
And pissed off everyone.”

175240 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to OKUK, 2, #1426 of 1814 🔗

“You scum bag, you maggot, you cheap lousy faggot”

175257 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to JohnB, #1427 of 1814 🔗

“You took my dreams from me…”

This government is a real dream thief.

175063 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #1428 of 1814 🔗

Why do people think that this would be the magic lockdown to end all lockdowns when the last one has led to this? We’ll just be in lockdown now AND at Christmas.

174997 ▶▶ bucky99, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #1429 of 1814 🔗

I am.

175009 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #1430 of 1814 🔗

I think we’re still some way off, if there even is one.

175040 ▶▶ R G, replying to Dan Clarke, 6, #1431 of 1814 🔗

No, I think there’s now a general acceptance that all of this will remain until at least Spring, which is what I thought when they kept trying to suppress the virus over the summer. Only unacceptable economic damage will bring it to an end before then. I wonder if the physical retail sector can survive a locked down Christmas where people just stay at home and order off Amazon.

175087 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to R G, 1, #1432 of 1814 🔗

No bloody way Amazon is getting my money!

175130 ▶▶▶ ianric, replying to R G, 2, #1433 of 1814 🔗

Christmas is vital for the retail sector and if lockdowns take away their Christmas trade, retail is in serious trouble. If restaurants can’t operate over Christmas they will miss out on the crucial Christmas work party trade. I had a discussion before about summer versus winter lockdowns. We are now in the unfortunate position of experiencing both.

174988 crimsonpirate, 2, #1434 of 1814 🔗

https://www.deutschlandfunk.de/pcr-antigen-antikoerper-vor-und-nachteile-der-verschiedenen.676.de.html?dram:article_id=483722
interesting article on the different types of corona tests and their relative advantages and disadvantages. In German, but if you right click an English translation should appear

175003 JHuntz, replying to JHuntz, 20, #1435 of 1814 🔗

Spanish Covid and vaccine sceptic doctor on the news on point “the first thing we need to do is vaccinate against fear”

175156 ▶▶ John P, replying to JHuntz, 1, #1436 of 1814 🔗

Good one. And very true.

175307 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to JHuntz, #1437 of 1814 🔗

All I maintain is that on this earth there are pestilences and there are victims and it’s up to us, so far as possible, not to join forces with the pestilences.

The Plague

175005 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 14, #1438 of 1814 🔗

I read the news today oh boy
a thousand covids in blackburn Lancashire
and though the cases were rather small
they had to count them all
now they know how much covid it takes to fill the Albert Hall
I’d love to t,,u…r…n you on

It now seems totally meaningless when they announce these huge case numbers on the news, who cares? why does it matter?

covid in my fingers
covid in my toes
There’s covid all around me
And so the feeling grows…

Looking for Covid cases now seems like looking for grains of sand on the beach or Shooting Fish in a Barrel, somehow it now seems meaningless. When this hoo-haa started were getting reports of deaths and serious disease which did seem significant but now we have cases?????????????

If a Vulcan space ship landed in the UK they would see we had a respiratory virus going round causing many cases but only a relatively small number of deaths and serious cases. In the words of yet another old song;
”ain’t nothing shaking but the leaves on the tree”

And yet the population was going hysterical, conclusion, using vulcan logic, the human race has gone bonkers.

175017 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #1439 of 1814 🔗

Bravo. This all would have made a reasonable B movie.

175034 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #1440 of 1814 🔗

Brilliant. How many covids it takes to fill the Albert hall. Brilliant.

175041 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Basics, 5, #1441 of 1814 🔗

According to Prof Ferguson it requires 500,000.

175081 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to OKUK, 2, #1442 of 1814 🔗

500 billion as the reasonable worst case scenario

175075 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #1443 of 1814 🔗

When I’m confronted each day with the sight of so many people wearing masks I’m overwhelmed with the belief that the nation has become feebleminded.

175079 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Ned of the Hills, 1, #1444 of 1814 🔗

It hasn’t become feeble-minded, it’s just revealed the fact that it always was. Most people have been very comfortable with mediocrity and conformity for as long as I can remember (which is about 45 years), and I’m sure it goes back further than that.

Masks merely give you a visual confirmation that removes all doubt.

175164 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ned of the Hills, #1445 of 1814 🔗

The bulk of the nation has literally been scared witless.

175238 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Steve Martindale, #1446 of 1814 🔗

If a Vulcan space ship landed in the UK they would see we had a respiratory virus going round causing many cases but only a relatively small number of deaths and serious cases.

Being highly logical, they wouldn’t have called positive tests using a very dubious mechanism ‘cases’.

175029 Basics, replying to Basics, 3, #1447 of 1814 🔗

Has Lockdown Sceptics outed the secretive BBC embeds on local rags up and down the land?

This article from Edinburgh live:

Journalism Matters: how Local Democracy Reporters in Edinburgh and the Lothians keep you up to date
At Edinburgh Live, we strongly support the BBC-funded Local Democracy Reporter scheme: here’s how it works and some of the best local stories produced this year.

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/journalism-matters-how-local-democracy-19073852

The Edinburghlive have been entirely on board with BLM and promoted every lockdown measure they can get their hands on. They call sceptics far right conspiracy theorists and are an affront to what journalism once was.

175035 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Basics, 8, #1448 of 1814 🔗

Journalists once protected and promoted our liberties. Now they work to take them away.

175047 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to OKUK, 3, #1449 of 1814 🔗

They were there to hold politicians to account. Now they ‘print’ the government line, well with BBC staff, why wouldn’t they?

Why does a local newspaper require BBC embeds? Are the other staff so shit?

175060 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Basics, 6, #1450 of 1814 🔗

I’m sorry, but this is just not true. The Times was always the fawning plaything of the establishment. The Guardian was always the creature of the Labour Party. The Telegraph was always the Tories’ fluffer.

Sure, there was the odd renegade journalist, but it wasn’t long ago that Glenn Greenwald brought Ed Snowden’s revelations to light, at great personal peril. Most journalists have always sought the patronage of the powerful.

Sure, the tabloids used to me more iconoclastic than they are now, but the public turned on them over stuff like Diana, and the government (aided by useful idiots like Hugh Grant) has clapped them in irons with IPSO.

The internet (and the sprawling cancerous BBC) made them non-viable as newshounds sniffing out a story. Now all they can do to survive is farm clicks for ad revenue.

Most journalists were always scum. Look at the way Spitting Image portrayed them more than 30 years ago.

175076 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to AidanR, 4, #1451 of 1814 🔗

Unbelievably the Daily Star, of bum and tits fame seems to hold the government to account more than the “serious” papers.

175099 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to AidanR, 1, #1452 of 1814 🔗

Tbe Internet has fuelled increased hollowing out of the big media giants. However it was going that way anyway. Centralisation in the industry and regional newspapers and stations removed.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2008/feb/03/society

175115 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1453 of 1814 🔗

I’m really not sure that’s true either. I worked at one of the big papers 20 years back… papers like the Sun and the Daily Mail made a profit before they even sold a single copy. Their ad revenue was huge when they held all the cards. Google adsense ate their lunch.

175160 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to AidanR, #1454 of 1814 🔗

you are missing the point.. this thread is about local press and their web versions and the influence that embedded BBC journalists have on them, and not the national press.

175201 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to AidanR, #1455 of 1814 🔗

Was it always the case that the broadcasting corporation put embed onto local papers with the sole remit of presentung THE local line of informatiin for the region to suck up and believe in?

Yes, you are right newspapers have always been sick broken corrupt hives of agenda. My thoughts were with those journalist who spent their careers trying despite it all to talk about their own truth. That gets bite, that sells papers -digital or otherwise.

Now we have a guy with a laptop sitting in every council session merely interpreting the session. Dictation would be two kind- they set the tone and cast the spell. I know I’ve stood next to the guy with the laptop and seen him whispering conversations to other men in suits. BBC. Broadcasting. WTF.

How did you get on with the biases of the publications you worked for?

175203 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Basics, #1456 of 1814 🔗

I wasn’t particularly interested in their biases – I wasn’t really political in those days, and the ones I worked for have no love for the left.

175127 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to AidanR, 2, #1457 of 1814 🔗

The Guardian was always the creature of the Labour Party.”

Actually: No.

In recent years, it has played mainly with itself and the LibDems, slagging off Corbyn and being a conduit for establishment propaganda.

… and it’s a long time since the tabloids were other than brain fart material for Covid-type delusionals.

175135 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to RickH, #1458 of 1814 🔗

I think he meant the pre-2008 Groan.

175145 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to RickH, #1459 of 1814 🔗

It still doesn’t support a narrative of them ever having been seekers of truth without fear or favour.

175110 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Basics, 1, #1460 of 1814 🔗

I think it was one of those brilliant Cameronite innovations. Think the kkoetus came from government. There’s no need for it.

175150 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Basics, 1, #1461 of 1814 🔗

no they just have too few of them. since the internet boomed local media revenue fell like a stone. Advertising take shrank. Who puts an ad in the paper these days! Who buys a local paper? Consequently papers are as economically viable as a 2nd division football team under covid.

As people have very little interest in local politics (as opposed to sport etc) that was the first area to be cut. But theoretically there is still a need for local press to monitor local government.
Now whether it is the BBC that should be doing this is the question. In normal times it probably wouldnt be a huge issue. However now …….. completely different matter ,

here is the 2020 review of LDR which does give a lot of background

175172 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to OKUK, #1462 of 1814 🔗

More truthfully. It’s either news feeds that pump the same articles around various outlets or it’s 20 something immature reporters on platforms like the BBC. Main Stream Media has been flushing itself down the bog since the internet took hold. I point to the book Flat Earth news and it’s entry on the millennium bug. Remember the 100’s of Millions of £ spent on that mess. And for what ? A toaster in Luton went wrong at 00:01. It’s a joke. But a sick one

175230 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Leemc23, 1, #1463 of 1814 🔗

Fwiw, Lee, there was an awful lot of corrective work done prior to Y2K, without which (imho) many systems would have crashed. There were a couple of national infrastructure systems in Europe (Germany ? Italy ?) which did crash.

175231 ▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to JohnB, #1464 of 1814 🔗

True… I made my first tidy packet out of that particular hysteria.

175477 ▶▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to JohnB, 1, #1465 of 1814 🔗

a lot of work…. every organisation had to check their systems for any databases where year was held as a 2 digit number – since at millenium 99 would then roll on to 00 and confuse. If they found any then the database had to be changed to a 4 digit field for year and the current values amended from say 99 to 1999 and the code tweaked as necessary. Nothing complex, but time consuming in identifying systems affected and fixing them

175048 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Basics, 3, #1466 of 1814 🔗

If you pay the telly tax. Stop. Cancel your direct debit. Do it before you reply to this message.

175053 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Liam, 3, #1467 of 1814 🔗

I’m not sure I want to talk to anyone who failed to cancel it years ago… the BBC has been a complete insult to any intelligent, independently minded person for the best part 20 years.

175054 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Liam, 2, #1468 of 1814 🔗

Notice the cynical placement of these embeds. Between the council and the people. They filter the council – shape and mould the opinion of the public. These embeds are not reporting sports or doing long well sourced investigations about local corruptions. They are there to tell the locals how the council is. Cynical as hell.

175093 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Basics, 2, #1469 of 1814 🔗

Edinburgh evening news / Edinburgh live have 4 embedded BBC employees /propagandists.. ( see page 13 of this document ). For the rest of you . check the document to see how YOUR local press is similarly influenced
here is the 2020 review Apparently it costs us £8 million a year to get the BBC to lie to us at a local level

175233 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to mjr, #1470 of 1814 🔗

Is there any way of finding out who the individuals are so we can look out for their bylines?

175465 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to AidanR, #1471 of 1814 🔗

dont know how…. Their titles are not secret. The reporter in the Edinburgh media as per Basics post referred to himself as the Local Democracy Reporter, so that information seems to be obtainable from the papers and the pdf i linked to shows all the publications involved

175039 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1472 of 1814 🔗

I thought Edmunds was a lockdown fanatic. Turns out, on reading his Wikipedia article, he’s a fan of herd immunity:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Edmunds_(epidemiologist)

So where the bloody hell does he stand?

175056 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Tenchy, 6, #1473 of 1814 🔗

He’s a media whore

175106 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #1474 of 1814 🔗

That’s unfair – to whores if not our media.

175204 ▶▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to OKUK, #1475 of 1814 🔗

Best comment of the day!

175071 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1476 of 1814 🔗

The number of times he’s come out to the media to state that when mistakes were made, they were only giving advice.

175073 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1477 of 1814 🔗

With his sponsors probably.

175154 ▶▶ John P, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1478 of 1814 🔗

Edmunds is a blithering idiot. A charlatan. Don’t be fooled by the grand title.

I expect the wikipedia page is out of date. He wet himself (in April I think), and is now a lockdown zealot.

175304 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Tenchy, #1479 of 1814 🔗

Being a fan of herd immunity is like being a fan of life (I certainly am). Herd immunity just is.

175044 Poppy, replying to Poppy, 54, #1480 of 1814 🔗

How dare the media seed panic stories about hospitals being overwhelmed. Hospitals get stretched to breaking point every winter with respiratory diseases, it’s nothing new. I remember reading reports of the 2017-2018 flu season threatening to overwhelm the NHS. If healthcare systems are at risk of being overwhelmed then it’s the government’s job to scale them up, not the public’s job to upend their entire lives to obey a lockdown which doesn’t even work. Also there’s been barely any mention of the Nightingale facilities which were decommissioned and mothballed months ago because they lay almost empty, even at the peak when 900+ people were dying every day. I’ve heard almost nothing about the Nightingale hospitals – I think Bristol’s is being used for eye patients.

This is why it’s so frustrating, because the ‘hospitals overwhelmed!!!!’ panic is inherently unfalsifiable if it doesn’t happen. The government will attribute it to their amazing measures, but there’s no proof that it was lockdown which stopped it rather then a matter of innate immunity slowing the spread, fewer people actually needing to be hospitalised, etc. I think I read that hospitalisations are also counted very generously, i.e. everyone who goes into hospital for anything at all, whether a stroke or an ingrown toenail, gets tested for Covid-19, and if they test positive then they’re counted as a Covid-19 hospitalisation. My pharmacist friend also told me that this is what happens.

It doesn’t even make any sense. You don’t even have to think that bloody hard to dismantle it all. I’m exasperated. For a virus of this risk profile and severity, it makes so much more sense to spend money on scaling up healthcare facilities and a public health campaign centred around hygiene and healthy living to strengthen the immune system while letting people carry on normal life as much as possible, than it does to waste money on useless track and trace when the virus is endemic as well as paying an obscene about of money for people to stay at home for 8 months and totally wrecking pretty much every sector of the economy.

Just why?

175051 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Poppy, 10, #1481 of 1814 🔗

Yep same every winter. BBC always puts up a hospital waiting time tracker every year too. I agree. They are trying to change society to fix a healthcare issue when they just need to change the way healthcare is managed.

175152 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Achilles, 4, #1482 of 1814 🔗

They’re trying to change much more than that!

175055 ▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Poppy, 10, #1483 of 1814 🔗

You’re so right. Our hospital ERs are almost always overwhelmed and it can take days for a patient who is admitted to get out of the ER and into a room. It’s not unusual for an ER patient to spend days on a bed in a hallway, which is insane. There is nothing new here! My dad fell and was taken in for a head injury and spent a few days in an ER bed in a room full of people, one of whom was clearly infectious — and this was in June a few years ago, which is not exactly peak respiratory virus season. How quickly people forget that this is NORMAL at the best of times. There’s bitching every day of every year about how long it takes to get seen in the ER and how there are never enough hospital beds. Enough already.

175061 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Poppy, 7, #1484 of 1814 🔗

It doesn’t make any sense if you still think it’s about a virus.

175169 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to DRW, 5, #1485 of 1814 🔗

So true. It’s not about the virus anymore. They have even stopped giving numbers and started to quote %. Fantastic way to scare people. 100% increase in hospital admissions. Does not tell the reality that it’s gone from 1 to 2 etc. Wankers.

175174 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Leemc23, 2, #1486 of 1814 🔗

But never % decreases, funnily enough.

175067 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Poppy, 6, #1487 of 1814 🔗

At every turn its fear fear fear. Look after yourself as such negative pressure on your own psyche can inevitably drag you down. Look to other media to take time out. Highly recommend this book about how humans can surmount the most horrendous situations and maintain their sanity.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Mans-Search-for-Meaning/dp/B002SQ7FPM

175095 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Poppy, #1488 of 1814 🔗

Yes – excellent comments.

175111 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Poppy, 2, #1489 of 1814 🔗

Didn’t someone say an A&E visit with a broken leg + positive test = Covid admission?

175213 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Tom Blackburn, #1490 of 1814 🔗

That’s the WHO recommend process they are all following.

175114 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Poppy, 1, #1491 of 1814 🔗

Nice one, Poppy.

Indeed – bottom line : the ‘virus’ (as we know it) is just the product of a lot of evil/semi-human wankers wanking.

175126 ▶▶ HoMojo, replying to Poppy, 1, #1492 of 1814 🔗

Well quite,. You should be in government. But that would be a government that wasn’t run by frauds and tricksters. Anyone with any common sense can see what you are saying. So either they don’t have common sense or they are frauds and tricksters. My money is on the latter though I don’t believe they have any common sense either. Most criminals on the coalface don’t. (And these bastards are on the coal face.)

175065 Stephen McMurray, replying to Stephen McMurray, 11, #1493 of 1814 🔗

As we all know, we have to be wary about all the figures the government tell us. In Northern Ireland hospital admissions for covid include anyone admitted for any other illness who then test postive for covid even if covid plays no part in why they are there. If someone is admitted to one hospital and then get transferred to another one, thjat counts as two separate admissions.

175104 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Stephen McMurray, 5, #1494 of 1814 🔗

same for the rest of the UK. any hospital admission is routinely tested and a positive test then makes that person a covid case regardless of why they have been admitted. Not just illnesses. accidents as well. Also means that if the patient dies for whatever reason within 28 days of the test then it is counted as a covid test.

Additionally it seems that with all the student testing at university, a positive test is also being counted at the students home address as well as the university address, so in effect being counted twice (my council’s weekly report included students away at uni. I am checking this with my council )

here is the link to my email to council
https://lockdownsceptics.org/2020/10/08/latest-news-157/#comment-174880

175112 ▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to mjr, 4, #1495 of 1814 🔗

Wow, really? It would be great if you could verify this. If true, that’s utterly scandalous and should be on the front page of every newspaper!

175124 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Poppy, 5, #1496 of 1814 🔗

certainly looks like it
this is what council say in their email

For the week ending 4 October, in the borough there have been:

  • 96 people have been diagnosed with Covid-19
  • 16 are students (who attend university in large cities but have home addresses in the borough)

clearly the assumption is that they were away at university last week and that is where the test was carried out . As figures are bandied about in the media about how many students have tested positive at this university or that university and for example Manchester is threatened with a lockdown because of the increase in positives there, they must be including these people
ergo they seem to be counted twice.

I will let you know what answer i get

175109 ▶▶ ianric, replying to Stephen McMurray, 7, #1497 of 1814 🔗

If Covid is such a dangerous disease why do the authorities need to resort to tactics which reek of desperation such as classing people as Covid admissions when not being treated for Covid.

175098 Nessimmersion, replying to Nessimmersion, 29, #1498 of 1814 🔗

The Sorry is for effect, you know the Natzis are really loving this:

175117 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Nessimmersion, 3, #1499 of 1814 🔗

… and we’re so infantile, there’s no pubes, either.

175146 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to RickH, 1, #1500 of 1814 🔗

Get a bigger glory hole.

175153 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Nessimmersion, 4, #1501 of 1814 🔗

the Scottish Nose Pickers, though i think picking your nose has been banned

175158 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Biker, 2, #1502 of 1814 🔗

Spiteful Nannying Party is frequently used.

175248 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Nessimmersion, 2, #1503 of 1814 🔗

Salute Nicola Party

175108 theanalyst, replying to theanalyst, 22, #1504 of 1814 🔗

OK so went into the local Beefeater today at lunchtime with the wife. We’ve been regulars for years. Lovely young and familiar waitress asked from behind the perspex screen and her black mask “Please can you wear a mask?” I said “No I won’t and I’m exempt” She replied “OK No Problem… Please come in and let me show you to your seat”. Did not question my unmasked wife who she was behind me. Gave T&T whatever details verbally as could/would not use Matt’s/ Deloittes App. Had a good meal but the place was the emptiest we have seen it for a few weeks. Felt sorry for staff. Gave a tip.

Bought a bottle of wine in local Sainsbury and thought masking was was more chilled than last week….the unmasked girl at the till gave a reassuring wink….bloke came in without mask and smiled as I was leaving.

175235 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to theanalyst, 5, #1505 of 1814 🔗

Apart from day one of mandatory masks at a petrol station, where I put the nutter back in his box, I’m yet to be challenged. My wife now gets occasional aggro at airport security, but with a stern and confident tone they immediately fade away, and it’s usually only one enthusiast out of a team of 10 or so. I’m not feeling the walls closing in, despite the rhetoric from the government becoming more aggressive and some large chains virtue signalling.

I think the key is to be visibly confident and just go about your business without worrying, I appreciate this is not always easy for everyone, but once you crack it, it becomes normal.

Then again, I was always the one to go into the shop and buy beer for me and my mates when we were teenagers, maybe I’m hardened to illegal shopping!

175119 Richard O, replying to Richard O, 15, #1506 of 1814 🔗

Once the second national lockdown is in place, I believe this is when we are really going to see the gloves come off. Be prepared for a massive expansion of state power and interference, way beyond anything we have seen so far.

I would be delighted to be proven spectacularly wrong on this of course.

175142 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Richard O, 8, #1507 of 1814 🔗

Yes, but will people comply in the face of rapidly increasing unemployment (and poverty, hunger etc)? I think there’s been a lot of delusion on the part of those who may be sceptical but are just hoping this all goes away.

175144 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Londo Mollari, 5, #1508 of 1814 🔗

This is one of the main reasons for my suspicion. Much more aggressive control measures are going to be needed to try and keep the lid on society blowing up when the economic shit hits the fan.

175211 ▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Londo Mollari, 4, #1509 of 1814 🔗

As Janis Joplin sang, freedom’s just another word for nothin’ left to lose. I’ve thought for a long time that we’ll only see civil disobedience on a massive scale when people have lost everything. Unfortunately, things are going to have to get a lot worse before they get better.

175166 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Richard O, 13, #1510 of 1814 🔗

I’m actually wanting the second lockdown. Let’s see how everyone enjoys Round Two minus the good weather and furlough payments.

175171 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Tom Blackburn, 7, #1511 of 1814 🔗

Careful what you wish for, they could provoke civil disobedience so they can go full psycho.

175181 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to DRW, 7, #1512 of 1814 🔗

I am convinced that things must get a lot worse before they get better.

…and I think they will.

The worst case scenario is that the public gets use to life as it is now,

175184 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to DRW, 6, #1513 of 1814 🔗

This can go so many ways. The state is taking a big risk, but it has no other alternatives to keep the narrative going. Whatever happens, it won’t be pretty and will be messy.

175293 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Tom Blackburn, #1514 of 1814 🔗

Queues around Tesco carparks in the snow.

175292 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Richard O, #1515 of 1814 🔗

They don’t have the power that we lent them in March-April but they will have to find out the hard way.

175134 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 2, #1516 of 1814 🔗

Bawbag of the week. Guess who…

https://youtu.be/LPjydsrXCwo

175148 ▶▶ Biker, replying to stefarm, 4, #1517 of 1814 🔗

that channel on youtube is one of many i sub to and am always being unsubbed by youtube. The scum that run youtube are trying to stop people hearing different views. They seem to think we all must think the same. This is criminal, they are criminals and free speech must be stopped.

175173 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Biker, #1518 of 1814 🔗

I read a lot of this sort of complaint, but I’ve never experienced it & I am a super-heavy YT user who is strongly againt YT’s preferred narrative… whether it’s Vox Day, The Dick Show, Count Dankula, Dave Cullen, Triggernometry or Alistair Williams, I still get the alerts and I’ve never noticed a sub quietly being unsubbed.

175372 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to AidanR, #1519 of 1814 🔗

I’m also shadow banned. My band will live stream gigs at the moment because we can’t play live in pubs and i will post a comment in the chat and it looks like it’s there and then i’ll look to see on another device not registered to me and it’s not. Youtube fuck with certain creators. I had my channel removed a couple of years ago for no reason at all. All content original but obviously not to their taste and it was gone, along with 26000 subscribers and lots of videos. They even stop adblocker working for me yet it works at my friends house and we both use the exact same Mac. We’ve also been filmed by Mi5, we’ve been approached by people claiming to be ex Army and like what we do and want to give us money and play gigs for strange conspiracy types. The whole thing is very sinister. They hate artists like me and my friends. Artists always get taken out first. I’m not worried though because i’m doing what i can there ain’t no more i can do.

175137 Basics, 6, #1520 of 1814 🔗

The Scotsman has this:

“Analysis: Scotland’s Covid dilemma comes to a head for Nicola Sturgeon
A simmering tension has lain at the heart of Scotland’s efforts to bounce back from the Covid lockdown in recent months – industry demands to get the economy fired up versus government requirements to ensure adequate restrictions remain in place to protect the public.”

Behind a register wall.
It feels like the head is accurate, yet the full collapse is a way off still.

175140 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #1521 of 1814 🔗

Russell Kane. Message for Rishi:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0C-_G_UaR4

175472 ▶▶ LS99, replying to Cheezilla, #1522 of 1814 🔗

He’s not always to my tastes but that is brilliant.

175149 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 11, #1523 of 1814 🔗

Surely at some point the penny will drop with the people and the media that the government are there to serve us not the other way around? We are now slaves to the daily whims of politicians.

175155 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Achilles, 3, #1524 of 1814 🔗

I’d like to think so but I have so little faith in both now, I’m not convinced it ever will.

175163 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Achilles, 6, #1525 of 1814 🔗

The Mail, The Mirror are openly sceptic. Telegraph, FT and The S*n are 50/50 I’d say.

175170 ▶▶▶ Steve, replying to Tom Blackburn, 6, #1526 of 1814 🔗

The mail is 50/50 too. Its tone changes from day to day.

175183 ▶▶ NappyFace, replying to Achilles, 5, #1527 of 1814 🔗

Interested to know others views on this, but I suspect that the MSM were subject to some special secret act only used in times of crisis. That would explain the absolute lack of challenge for several months. The obligations of that crisis order have not been extended, so they can go back to saying what they like (almost). Except the BBC who must do as the gov says or they will be sold to Rupert Murdoch and Private Equity.

175192 ▶▶▶ Miss Owl, replying to NappyFace, 2, #1528 of 1814 🔗

Broadcast media are subject to Ofcom rules, which dictates not putting out anything which goes against government dictats.

Who knows whether there have been D notices that have expired?

175210 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to NappyFace, 4, #1529 of 1814 🔗

The media are subject to blackout rules. There is a call every week to discuss if any items are off the table.

I remember hearing this back in a university lecture on 2010

175222 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #1530 of 1814 🔗

There are certainly a long list of topics which aren’t allowed to be discussed in UK newspapers. When you have seen what is actually happening / being reported on in other countries and then realise the UK media is completely silent you realise we are far from free and the media is definitely censored (officially or self censored).

175291 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to NappyFace, #1531 of 1814 🔗

Plus they have been bought by Tsunamis of government paid Covid advertising so it is not in their interests to downplay it or blame the consequences on lockdown measures.

176564 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Achilles, #1532 of 1814 🔗

The evidence is that a hell of a lot of people actually like being told what to do. It saves the pain of thinking or learning.

175157 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 12, #1533 of 1814 🔗

Almost 283,000 people today did not test positive from Covid. That’s good news right ?

From the 17,000 positives, 3,000 odd might reasonably be false positives. So around 14,000 from 300,000 that is good news, right ?

From 14,000 around 80 % won’t ever feel significantly unwell. So around 12,000 are going to be A ok. That’s great great news! From the 2,000 who are “sick” around 1,986 are going to recover. That’s great news I think.

In fact Everything considered. This is a level 2 pandemic & that’s great news. Double thumbs up.

Lots to be positive about.

Oh and least we forget Margaret Ferrier still has her job. And the next fortnight in jolly jock land sees Half Term – think everyone has forgotten that.

Terrific days to be alive. sorry if my figures are a bit iffy. But you get my point.

175209 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Leemc23, 2, #1534 of 1814 🔗

PCR can also have up to 30% false negatives. The testing and analysis of it is a complete and utter shambles. Not mentioning that it’s all done on excel too.

175218 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Leemc23, 4, #1535 of 1814 🔗

An article in the New York Times suggested up to 90% of results could be false positives – I don’t believe we are told the amplification used in the UK test facilities? One thing we can be pretty certain of is that the majority of those testing positive probably feel perfectly healthy and certainly aren’t on deaths door like the BBC and Guardian would have us believe.