2020-10-08

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Harrowing suicide figures reveal toll on Victorians

Sky News Australia host Peta Credlin says by the end of 2020 there could be more people lost to suicide in Victoria than to coroanvirus.

And we know this terrible tragedy is happening here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVTuPh8Rb2I

Sorry, but going to call this one out. Sky News Australia have corrupted the data somewhat (something of a recurring theme these days).

In the report linked below the year to date (October) number of suicides in Victoria are reported as follows;

2016 – 489
2017 – 501
2018 – 520
2019 – 534
2020 – 530

As can be seen, last year has more suicides to date. FYI, seems the deaths with / from COVID-19 / Coronavirus is being report as about 800 for Victoria.

Coroners Court of Victoria Report.

I believe more fair application of critical thinking, it needs applied to both sides of the argument.

Depends when they count the year end.

Yay!

Fight for liberty . Get it whilst it’s hot!

Have you considered doing sheets of stickers? This approach works for Extinction Rebellion. They can be subtly placed all over the place without drawing unwanted attention to the person placing them. We need to fact bomb the sheeple. They can also be placed without permission and are difficult to remove.

You can stickers of the design from Redbubble, but they’re not cost effective for a mass-marketing campaign.

I did some basic research into print-on-demand stickers, but was put off by the lack of cost transparency. Besides, day-by-day I keep changing my mind as to what the message should be.

Maybe as a community we could come up with a small of set of principles that we can easily articulate, something along the lines of Martin Luther’s theses (ninety five is probably overkill).

To get us going, how about:

1. COVID-19 is no more deadly than the flu.
2. The PCR is fatally flawed: viral prevalence is not disease prevalence.
3. Masks do not protect against viruses.
4. Lockdown has already caused a greater loss of life years than COVID-19.

Brilliant

Love it.

Will have a think too …

How about a picture of the crowd at Trafalgar square with the caption THE VOICELESS NOW HAVE A VOICE ! and underneath the lockdown sceptic website address. ps no pictures of flat earth placards .

Great idea. But

viral prevalence is not disease prevalence | loss of life years

are possibly outside a lot of people’s brain power. Think Sun readers.

I know intelligent educated people who unfortunately get all their info from the Beeb and experience severe cognitive dissonance with that one.

As public trust in the legacy media, including the BBC, is at an all time low, I’m surprised anyone is getting their information from the Beeb, and that includes their former employees…

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GlQP6YJIgHI

Former BBC Presenter Sue Cook on switching off the BBC News – 7 October 2020

You are dead right. I just couldn’t think of anything pithier that was still truthful. This is why we need to hammer the matter out on the anvil of community opinion. Many eyes make all bugs shallow.

My plan is to create the smallest set of statements that represent the beliefs of this community.

Each statement must be falsifiable . It must not be a matter of faith.

Once we have our statements, we can print them on a placard and stand in the street and say, “This is what I believe: change my mind.”

Everyone loves to knock down someone else’s ideas, so let them try. Let them find the proof that we are wrong. And when they can’t find that proof, they are going to have to confront the fact that they have been misled.

( Disclosure: I’m shamelessly stealing this approach from How to Have Impossible Conversations .

The principle is that people very rarely change their minds when confronted by facts that disagree with their beliefs, and that the way to change their minds is to make them question how they came to believe what they believe. Making people search for proof is one way to make it clear to them where their beliefs come from.)

For stickers –

Masking kids = child abuse.

Masks do not work (unless you’re trying to look like a twat.).

It’s not about the virus !

Handcock is a &x!&%$*

Unjust laws compel disobedience.

And WHY do people still wear these bits of Chinese paper? If they MUST cover up, why not do it with a scarf?

I suggested yesterday that you should not be alone. Secondly, suggest a group patrol centre of town, keeping one another in sight.

How about “if your mask is effective, why am i compelled to wear one?”

Sadly agree. If you focus-grouped it with a room full of bright 8 year olds, you’d come out with something most of the population can understand.

I think your being overly generous to the general public.

I’m giving them the Benny-fit of the doubt.

Hell’s bells, Benny Hawkins. I’d forgotten about him.

I would suggest simplifying the language.

Would Fred or Angela know the meaning of ‘prevalence’? Perhaps ‘presence’?

Masks don’t stop viruses, but can harm the user.

More deaths from lockdown than covid-19.

> Perhaps ‘presence’?

Yes.

> Masks don’t stop viruses, but can harm the user.

Yes, although I’m going to suggest that we use wearer instead of user.

>More deaths from lockdown than covid-19.

I’d love to be able to say that, but I don’t have any proof.

However, the loss of years-of-life seems solid, at least according Dr Scott Atlas who has said that the lockdown in the United States has already cost twice as many years-of-life than have been lost to COVID-19. That statement was made in June 2020, way after the peak in COVID-19 deaths, so I can only imagine that the balance has shifted even further in the direction of lockdown losses.

So my list is now:

1. COVID-19 is no more deadly than the flu.
2. Viral presence is not disease presence. The PCR test is fatally flawed.
3. Masks don’t stop viruses, but can harm the wearer.
4. Lockdown has caused a greater loss of year-of-life than COVID-19.

I’ve taken to calling this list, “What I Believe”.

That is a brilliant idea. I will do that

Like it a lot!

I’ve saved 500,000 lives by staying at home and muzzling myself, and single-handedly stopped racism by taking the knee.

I believed you up until ‘taking the knee’…..

Perfect coming up to Rememberance Day!

Hi Mabel, sorry to be awkward but I preferred the first design. Is there any chance you could put it back up please? I really want the ‘t’ shirt!

Love what you are doing, keep up the good work. Cheers, Arnie.

Sorry, I’ve only just seen your post. Which one was the first design? I’ve done so many variations that I have lost count.

We changed it to .He fought for liberty. Don’t throw it away ! And Mabel they are looking great .Thank you again .

A simple question to ask everyone you know, and to email your MPs.

If Covid 19 is so bad where are all the supermarket deaths?

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Jay Bhattacharya: Lockdown is more harmful than Covid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-J7HF_JDyY

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_pFoaUiZoE

One for the politically naive people out there – in a simplified story format to explain
People keep asking #WhyAreTheyDoingThis?, and rightly so. Well here’s just one reason – in a sense they have no choice, politically.

We all know. And ‘they’ know we know.
But it won’t stop them because they need to keep us off balance until the Magic Cure arrives. And everybody (except the guinea pigs) makes a huge amount of money.

Second!!

Third

Why does the silly Sturgeon wear a mask? Surely she has been tested and if negative there is no reason to wear one.

Its the Sturgeon Tartan

Smells a bit fishy to me

That’s her sporran.

There’s no reason to wear one anyway.

The story about removing masks between bites in restaurants in California must be the most stupid, moronic thing I’ve heard in this whole sorry charade. It says an awful lot about the mental capacity of the idiots that thought it up

It also says how far the absurdity has gone. A few months ago, we would have written it off as fake nooz.

Indeed. Idiocy of the highest order. Having said that I saw people in a bar in Spain do this between sips of their drinks during the Summer.

What can you say besides “FFS!!!!!”

She’s being kind

Hahaha!

She looked merely scary without it.

I was thinking the same when I saw Prince William in one.
My first thought – but he’s YOUNG and therefore in no danger.
My second thought – if he feels he should wear one, why a scrap of Chinese tat?
My third thought – if he MUST wear one, why not a see-through one? (Plenty on the internet. And The Queen always uses a see-through umbrella, after all. It’s only polite.)

“World’s first Covid passport technology will be trialled on flights from Heathrow this week in bid to let passengers travel without risk of quarantine in future BUT requires authorities to trust test lab results from abroad”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8814245/Worlds-Covid-passport-trialled-flights-Heathrow-week.html

It’s all starting to happen as predicted.

Yay, I was beginning to worry with all the fleeting moments of scepticism finding their way into the mainstream discussion that we might not get the Global Technocracy we were all so looking forward to. Thankfully, the “Standard Operating Narrative” is immune (lol) to truth, and so no matter what, this shit is happening. Hey let’s BUILD BACK BETTER, GUYS!

Also, I’m pleased to see we’re making such quick progress toward the Social Credit System (courtesy of Carl Vernon):

https://www.kentonline.co.uk/kent/news/cameras-which-can-monitor-social-distancing-in-pipeline-for-town-centres-235059/

Police me, daddy!

It’s crazy, isn’t it. They just keep ploughing on regardless.

Nobody dying? Just stop talking about deaths.

Low numbers? Doesn’t matter.

Public pushing back? Oh well.

The government’s pattern of behaviour is clear and predictable.
They are going to plough ahead no matter what. If they encounter any resistance or new evidence against their position they just apply more force, more lockdowns, they double down again and again.

They have the power, they have the resources, they have the media with them.

And they have the clinching argument. If things get better it’s thanks to the measures. If they don’t, the measures are not enough and we need more.

They are never, ever, ever backing down.

Einstein had a word for it.

so did Joseph Heller

I’ll go with that.

I remember a perfect illustration of the principle when I was in Poland 50 years ago :

• You had to have a ticket to travel on a train
• But the ticket office wasn’t open before the train went in the morning
• and you couldn’t buy a ticket the previous day

Now – the whole country is taken over by the same sort of logical fartocracy of nonsense.

So have I.

The government is acting against the people in collusion with opposition and house of lords. The Monarchy have been neutered, the Police turned into a militia, the Courts and legal profession are not protecting us. The MSM have been paid to promote the treachery and keep us in ignorance. Academia and organized religion have been co-opted into the evil.

My Civil Obedience is no longer to be taken for granted.

in total agreement. Blowing up bridges time.

They are never, ever, ever backing down.


Nor are we, Stewart, nor are we

‘All tyrannies rule through fraud & force, but once the fraud is exposed they must rely exclusively on force.’ George Orwell

And the reason they’re ploughing ahead? A very lucrative vaccine.

So long as people can be kept afraid, cowed, demoralised, but with just the smidgeon of a promise of escape at the end of it all…….
“ Hopeful people are more easily controlled, but the volume must be managed. Too much hope leaves a person emboldened and resistant. Too little leaves them disabled and useless. But just the right amount of hope subjugates them. They cradle it like a dying ember, and they’ll do anything to keep the wind from extinguishing it…..”

Funny that, they’ve been rocking up at Heathrow since this began with no checks.

“Rocking up” ???

Toby exhibits severe cognitive dissonance with the implications.

I had to read this twice (above in Toby Young’s update) to make sure I wasn’t seeing things:

‘Telegraph report about an idea (slightly) more sensible than universal quarantine’

Really? Is this what it’s for? Of course it is being spun as just freedom to travel but I simply can’t believe that Toby Young is naive enough to believe it! I can’t read the Telegraph article because I don’t subscribe but the comments show that a lot of their readers are way ahead of TY and are well up to speed with what this is really about. Ditto, many BTL comments under the Mail article.

This should tell us something – quoted from the Mail article:

‘It was launched by the World Economic Forum and The Commons Project, in collaboration with a broad coalition of public and private partners around the world ‘

I wonder who some of them might be?

Meanwhile, here’s one of many articles detailing the reality of what ‘Health Passports’ are really for. We can’t say we weren’t warned as it’s from last year and China has been running this since 2017. Millions of Chinese have been penalised in various ways for failing ‘Social Credit’ tests:

https://nypost.com/2019/05/18/chinas-new-social-credit-system-turns-orwells-1984-into-reality/

We can fool ourselves with fake T&T apps, comfort ourselves that the vaccine is getting held up or that Johnson will get ditched etc. all we like. Did anyone ask themselves why all the headlines regarding BJ’s conference speech focused on the windmill nonsense which will cost £150m i.e. small change when meanwhile, £100bn – 2/3 of the annual NHS budget – is going to be spent on ‘testing’.

Testing actually means a blanket roll-out of this Health Passport/CoviPass or whatever it gets called. This is what Johnson means by ‘Build Back Better’: total control, total tyranny, as pioneered by PRC. If you don’t comply you will not be able to participate in any part of what is considered normal life. By the way snitching is a cornerstone of this system in China. Sound familiar?

But, hey, enjoy your holiday! MW

Delingpole needs to have a word with his mate. I listened to him on the Richie Allen show and he is fully clued up about what is going on and who is behind it (WEF, Agenda 2030, etc…)

Agree. This is how the digital health passport will start to be implemented.

Yep, I’ve been wondering for quite sometime if this site isn’t just a sort of safety valve to placate the easily-soothed. I’d like to be wrong but I mean, all the hand-wringing over not being conspiracy theorists, the constantly reaffirming the “it’s all a series of honest gaffs” nonsense. Really? Every single power broker in the world singing from the same sin-sheet? Enacting the same far-reaching policies? At the same time? In concert with censorship? And it’s just a coincidence? In that case, I have a bridge in London I’d like to sell you….

I think this site works as a very helpful safety valve for many people. It’s also a very useful place to share and discover quality information.
So, regardless of TY’s apparent naivete, we should be very grateful that he provides us with this space and make the most of it.

regardless of TY’s apparent naivete, we should be very grateful that he provides us with this space and make the most of it.

Yes absolutely agree.

And maybe ‘someone’ is watching us all to see who the troublemakers might potentially be!

Absolutely agree – here in Belgium the only site that offers any resistance to the MSM drivel is of much lower quality than this one, and mainly seems to attract people venting about a mish-mash of (sadly) as yet unproven conspiracy/collusion suspicions, and who can’t write a full paragraph without including at least 3 glaring spelling mistakes. There are some more knowledgeable comments on there, but they are rare and hence it becomes very easy to put the whole thing down as a bunch of raving malcontents and extremist idiots. The organisation behin the site (“Viruswaanzin”, ie “Virus madness”) spends its time filing Court cases that are systematically rejected, so it’s all a bit depressing really (in a nutshell: our magistrates seem to think that no case can ever be brought against an ‘expert’ for implementing counterproductive or harmful measures… as long as they have a degree in virology or related sciences, their opinion is considered sacrosanct and their motives are by definition pure).
In the Netherlands it’s a bit better but the main actors also have popular perception very much against them, France is a very mixed bag (with Prof. Raoult in Marseille as the lone voice that is getting somewhat heard in high places), and for the rest I haven’t found anything worth mentioning.

This is at least a place where very strong arguments are presented in a serious and convincing way, and the sheer amount and quality of the comments makes it much harder to dismiss it as irrelevant.

The only think I would say us to stick to anti lock down matters- and nit other issues we may disagree with

The travel passport is one of the things I’ve been most worried about. I realised quite a while ago that travel is one of the easiest ways to ease this whole “vaccine passport” into play. Travel isn’t necessarily classed as a “right” and they can spin it however they like – “oh we want to protect other countries” or something along those lines.

The fact that Toby called it “sensible” is worrying. I’ve complained a few times about his use of the term “conspiracy theorists”, but to be fair, I think most who comment see things for how they are now, and the comments have outgrown the usefulness of the actual updates. I haven’t read the actual updates in a while now.

I think you may well be right that BTL is where the real scepticism and debate lies. However, it worries me that TY and his colleagues are putting this kind of stuff out.

Also, it is crucial to realise that this ‘passport’ as about so much more than just travel. That’s the propaganda sales pitch. We have otherwise intelligent friends who can’t wait for their health passport so they can go abroad again. They really have no idea but we’re doing our best with them. MW

I agree. I’ve come to terms with the fact that he’s very “light” on what’s going on. It’s nice that attention is being brought to the matter in a fairly accessible way, but he either ignores or doesn’t realise the larger implications.

Oh, definitely. That’s what I meant by it’s one of the easiest ways to ease into it. Firstly it’s a travel passport. Then it’s a vaccine passport. Then you’re finding you can’t work without one.

This Covid is really intelligent… It knows if you’re out drinking a pint or drinking a coffee!

Something tells me that Adolf Sturgeon has been trying for quite a while to shut down pubs. I think she doesn’t like it when people drink alcohol. And now she found an excuse.

Yes, several politicians and public health officials support temperance, so have been looking for their Prohibition moment. It has never worked in the past, and will never work now, or in the future.

When I lived in Scotland, time and again politicians tried to restrict alcohol consumption and it never worked or got off the ground.

This virus has been a wet dream for those who want to control public access to alcohol so they’re using the virus as an excuse.

Rab C. for leader! – Much more nous.

I disagree,our politicians are not puritans.They have no problem with drinking.This measure is to close down any place where people meet and could organise resistance

LOL “Your conspiracy theory is hogwash. Mine is true”

Personally I think there’s probably a modicum of truth in both.

I reckon that if she’s a tee-totaller, she’s the best argument for getting pissed that I’ve ever come across.

The leaches aren’t working, we need more leaches! And a time machine so we can put more leaches on two weeks ago.

I’ve been thinking of leaving this rotten country for some time now, I’m now thinking nowhere on earth is safe so I’m going to volunteer to join Elon Musk’s mission to Mars. Anyone who wants to join me is welcome, the more the merrier

Where are you going to go, though? So much of the Anglosphere is caught up in the same madness. Much of my family live in Canada and tell me it’s as bad if not worse there.True story this (it’s on the Globe and Mail, Canada’s establishment newspaper website): Dr Theresa Tam, Canada’s CMO, proclaimed in one of her nightly TV addresses a month or so ago that h0rny Canucks should henceforth wear facemasks during sex and adopt ‘non facing’ positions. My brother, who lives in British Columbia, informed me that she’d lost any remaining credibility amidst the resulting howls of derision but that provincial health authorities in BC had gone a step further by recommending the use of ‘barriers, including glory holes’ when engaging in intimate relations. All true. Toto, we’re not in Kansas anymore!

“Theresa Tam, Canada’s CMO, proclaimed in one of her nightly TV addresses a month or so ago that h0rny Canucks should henceforth wear facemasks during sex and adopt ‘non facing’ positions.”

When you’ve stopped falling about, laughing uncontrollably at the absurdity (both in terms of the sex and the science) – there’s a serious point to be made :

Idiotic arseholes like this are being allowed to represent both the Public Health and Epidemiology professions – and are being listened to .

Meanwhile sanity and real science stands outside the stands outside the door in the cold, knocking to be let in.

If I was a serious Public Health or Epidemiological scientist (as opposed to a leach on the body politic like Ferguson), I’d be tearing my hair out.

She was late to the table with this cockamamy sh!te anyway. Covid-themed face mask sex was already a category on Pornhub by April! (or so someone told me … wouldn’t dream of … ahem).

I guess if you’re as repulsive as your views, masked sex is the only option

Am I to understand that safe sex now consists of what I believe is called the ‘anal missionary position’ ?

Isn’t it that that HMG et al is doing to us all?

I suspect the advent of the state mandated full body condom cannot be far off along with Nicola Sturgeon peering through your bedroom curtains to ensure compliance or better yet a soft-on. Can you imagine the passion killing effects of having to remember to don a facemask* as well as johnnying up prior to a bout of mattress rodeo?

*edit. Some people will genuinely be into this and far be it for me to judge another’s’ fetish

I’m disappointed that even the Western provinces in Canada – who like to pride themselves on being free thinkers – seem in thrall to the ”be afraid” message. Friends in one prairie city that’s seen about two ”cases” a couple of months ago, are still crawling around in muzzles even on the golf course!

I fancy West Africa. Nigeria has always sounded like a total hoot to me. I imagine it’s quite low on Covid-bollocks.

Hmm…

https://www.courthousenews.com/african-man-shot-dead-for-breaking-virus-curfew/amp/

Tanzania may be a better bet. The president is a sceptic.

Tanzania.. the president there was sceptical about the scamdemic and enlisted the army to test the ruse.. so they sent (amongst other things) swabs from a goat, a sheep, motor oil, and a paw paw fruit.. most came back positive.

5 years down the line… Rumours of a local lockdown for Mars. Pubs to close at 10pm. 2 week quarantine for interplanetary travellers, Space Shuttle industry in turmoil.

Its a very good option …

I’m now at ta point where I don’t even read the articles anymore. What is the point? I mean, we all know it’s all bullshit, the the science does not count one jolt, there could be 10000 experts telling the government this , It does not matter. Facts, truth, logical reasoning. Doesn’t matter anymore .All that matters is fear, propaganda ,name-calling, relentless assault by the entire MSM , health passports, colour coding and complete compliance of the people. Job done, we lost ,they won.
I fight every day just to get out of bed, I have no more fight in me. I suffer from Complex PTSD ( Afghanistan, 2 tours) and I’m scared I will not make it trough the winter. If this is the world we will have to live in form now on, I don’t want to do it anymore

Empathy. I think many of us are reluctant to wake up, since at least we can, at times, dream sanity. It’s not even the ‘same old, same old, when the day breaks. It’s ‘more shit, more shit’.

I just took a drive past the (6th form) College as the students come out of several buildings going in every direction to do what they do at lunchtime.

Not a mask in sight and they are still obeying the ‘Rule of As Many Of My Mates As I Like’.
Always cheers me up

And best wishes to all those students. What a crap future they face. Thank you Boris and your best mate Bill.

Hey mate I’ve been feeling the same sense of despair for the same reasons. Every article posted on this blog leads one to believe the truth is getting out, but then within 30 seconds of reading, another mad government mandate is handed down and you realise we’re all screaming in the wind.

That said, I am open to the idea that VERY eventually, the truth will come out and there will be retribution. But that will only be after the main goals of this sham have been achieved, and so we’ll unfortunately be in the position of needing to rebuild what was torn down, rather than preserving things as we might have hoped.

Anyway, thank you for your service, and I will be praying for your peace.

The only thing that changes this tide is mass redundancies. Nothing else will work.

yes, and don’t forget a crippled economy

My fear (expectation) is that it will be too late. When people realise they’ve been sold a pup we’re probably just left with mass civil disobedience. I expect the government will step in with its solutions to that, too.

The public will have nothing to lose, at least take one of those bastards with you.

The pushbacks prove that the truth is getting out there and being heard. Otherwise the truth would merely be ridiculed.
Don’t give up now!

I’ve been in the despondency phase. For most of us it will go away and be replaced by anger and a burning desire for retribution.

Stay strong Thomas. This is all coming to a head in the next couple of weeks. The Great Barrington Declaration is a major intervention that cannot be ignored – the MSM shills and their go-to ‘scientists’ are struggling to knock down three professors from Harvard, Stanford and Oxford, and 12k other scientists and medics have now put their necks on the line behind them. Next Thursday will see three things happen – deadline for deal with the EU, Tom Bower’s book on Boris and his private life, and the Dolan case. Boris is a dead man walking, and he knows it. Possible a senior Cabinet minister resigns fairly soon, bringing the whole pack of cards down. Might see a two-week half term lockdown across the whole country, but that will be it, in my view.

Much respect and gratitude for your service to our country.

The GBD has been signed by the finest scientist I know. That does it for me.

“ The Great Barrington Declaration is a major intervention that cannot be ignored”

Want to bet?

Yes

I admire your optimism.

I’m with you on all that, TT. I’m more optimistic than I have been for some time. No doubt there’s plenty more shit to be shovelled before we get to the end, but I think the outlook is promising.

The darkest hour is just before dawn, hopefully.

Yes! The truth is being aired. The tide is turning, don’t give up now.

Article in the Grad pointing out that 86% of those testing positive experience no symptoms. They spin it of course but the truth is there for all to see.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/08/more-than-80-positive-cases-in-covid-study-had-no-core-symptoms

Also the DT about a report that counters the lockdown argument:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/07/herd-immunity-could-have-saved-lives-lockdown-study-suggests/

Wish I could be so confident, so thanks for your optimism. But it’s not a national thing, it’s an international thing, It’s the global scale of it all and the digital repression that freaks me.

Even the internationalists have overplayed their hand. Reckoning coming, especially if a certain person of orange hue wins next month.

The left were wetting the pants with joy when orange Man got the lurgy. ow they are shitting bricks. Once he gets in he will be after all of them. he will keep his powder dry until after the election.

I like your optimism TT

Agree. The writing has been on the wall for a while now. Just need somebody prepared to kick the morons in the UN into touch.

Good post. It’s clearly coming to a head, and the momentum is with only one argument.

And next Thursday is the Ides of October!

And hang on in there Thomas_E. I imagine there must be lots of ups and downs on an active service deployment – if so, it may help to pt this lot into perspective.

Serving in Afghanistan was serving Tony Blair and George Bush, not the country.

I was thinking this in April

good comment

I was feeling the same yesterday and got a lot of helpful responses on here. Take a step back from the internet and get out in the fresh air, it will do you good. They cannot avoid the inevitable backlash forever, it’s just a waiting game now. Stay strong.

Stick with us, Thomas_E.
We need chaps like you.
Best wishes.

I think about suicide every day, but then I am curious how they will dig themselves out.
And what will it help our cause if I give up?
This stupid situation made me quit my job, but I was not prepared to support it (I worked in hospitality). Being at home all day, as I do not like to go out and see all the muzzled faces, makes it worse.
But we have to hang on, find a new hobby, I am sure we will come out of it and those responsible will be held accountable.
With every bad headline, there is something positive. Try to get off media, social media as well.
There are people out there you can talk to, or I am sure we can communicate off this site, maybe utilise the connections.
I hope you feel better today.

This is one of the things that keeps me going. I am intrigued as to how all this pans out. It may be horrific, but it is also bloody fascinating.

I really feel for you Thomas. I can’t claim to have PTSD but I too really struggle to get out of bed, I have just dragged myself out unwillingly. I hope you have someone to talk to, we need to release our frustration, sending my love.

Thank you for your support, despite it all, this site is the only place where I can find some common ground and hear alternative narrative about this whole fucked up imaginary crisis.

Thomas, stick with us my lovely. We all have dark days – I lost my shit this morning and felt like I was going to have a heart attack I was so stressed with it all, but I’ll be damned if they’re going to win this. Stay angry, and stay with us. God bless and thank you for your service.We need you. xx

Although I have no experience of this, in physical combat the enemy that you are fighting must be more clearly defined and identifiable than what we are facing now.

Psychological warfare is very real, and we are all absolutely on the front lines. Our enemy is both everywhere and nowhere, which is what makes it so draining. Moreover, the battlefield is global in scope and continuous in activity, which can at times be overwhelming.

For my part I choose to hold firm to my principles and accept whatever consequences come my way as a result of adhering to them. It is the single most important thing I have ever done or will ever do in my life.

Well said. Resisting is vital life affirming work. Even if I fail I put myself up to be counted. Love

Well said, especially the last bit.

We will need people like you. In the meantime find a project that gets you away from this. Something for you or for other people, there’ll be something, so you can live normally as much of the time as possible. The tide will turn, believe me. And watch Katie Hopkins:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6lND4CZlXc

Tom_E

So is your surname Atkins ? Just kiddin’.

To me it’s clearly a coup – our government has been hijacked into implementing the “great” reset. I ask myself, what would Robin Hood have done ?

An arrow at 500 paces and still into the eyeball of the Blonde Bellend

You’re just trying to cheer us up …

You just need to call out for help, that’s the hardest bit. There are people on here who can help. You are not alone.
Or a number.

It won’t be the world we have to live in from now on. Ignore the panic-mongers where possible. Even the MSM is turning now. Not as fast as we’d all like, but it is turning.

Exactly how I feel. I have cancer which is now untreated. My GP (remember them?) keep texting me to come for my flu jab and yet my once ‘vital’ blood tests are cancelled. They can inject something into you but not take blood out? My friend waited so long for an urgent cancer op that it had spread, she lost a kidney and is now just waiting to do. The elderly culled in death homes, in confinement like prisoners and without any medical treatment. Many religions insist on burial in 24 hours so were persuaded to accept Cvid-19 on relatives’ death certs even though there was no prior diagnosis just to avoid a 2 week delay in the release of the body The numbers are a sham and more are dying of neglect. I now feel utterly hopeless as the Govt have dismissed the Barrington Declaration. First they culled the old and vulnerable and now it’s the sick.

So sorry to hear about you Thomas, we’re all here for each other.

I feel your pain and I understand entirely where you’re coming from, but I think we are in 1944/45, rather than 1939/40. See this through – the tide is turning.

I felt we are between the reichstag fire and the Nuremberg laws

It’s now tomorrow, and everyone will have piled onto the new edition of LS, but I hope you’ve come back, Thomas, to read the replies and to see that your comment here is the most upvoted of the day.

I’ve never been in the military, but I understand one of the good things about it is the camaraderie, the knowledge that all your mates have got your back. It’s like that on here: we’ve got your back.

Come back from time to time and let us know you’re here.

Very interesting article from The Atlantic on superspreader events and whether we are doing contact tracing backwards
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/09/k-overlooked-variable-driving-pandemic/616548/

Interesting but there are several flaws, starting with the assumption that covid is still the deadly killer it was in the beginning – and maybe still is to a tiny percentage.

It still doesn’t really answer his early question: What happened in Guayaquil, Ecuador, in April, when so many died so quickly …?

It claims that PCR tests are highly accurate for specificity and sensitivity. Maybe they are if you don’t take the p*ss with the number of cycles.

And of course there’s the ultimate catch: Could we get back to a much more normal life by [cluster busting] that is, once we get our case numbers down to low enough numbers to carry out such a strategy?

We could get the numbers down instantly by stopping pillar 2 testing and just protecting the vulnerable. It would save a fortune too!

Coivd 1984 app . Has this been removed? Can’t find it in play store.

You can get it from covid1984.life

Requires you to allow apk files from outside of the Play Store.

I’ve downloaded it but I can’t see it . Where is it living, please?

Canecl that -found it

Good stuff, reply deleted!

You can also just bookmark the following to access a non-installable webapp version:

https://covid1984.life/webapp.html

• The page will initially load without venue details, You will need to tap the “Back to home” button to type in the details you want to show
• You may need to tap the back button if your keyboard doesn’t automatically close.
• To make the app show full screen, tap “Cancel this check in”.
• To exit full screen tap “Back to home”

Even better!

The server’s not responding. Have the Downing Street Gestapo taken it down already? I wouldn’t be surprised, after all we can’t let the proles have any freedom from the State, can we?

Working for me right now… but checking on downforeveryone, it appears to be down. So I’ve no idea now!

A blog entry ruminating on why this is happening: https://medium.com/@civitasperegrina/why-are-you-doing-that-the-covid-19-pandemic-and-the-structure-of-the-brain-a75d89d8cb3

Thanks; that was quite interesting. It also got me thinking about something I’m sure I was taught/found out many moons ago … in most people, the left hand side of the brain (focussed on statistics, concrete things) is dominant because they are right handed. I wonder if it’s true that most of us on here are left handed, with a dominant right-side brain (able to grasp abstract ideas; see the bigger picture)?

I’ll kick off: I am; and my oh, who posts on here, is too. Any others?

Sadly I don’t think it’s that simple – people who are left-handed for the most part just have the hemisphere functionality reversed/mirrored, I believe. I think however that there is undoubtedly a genetic element to just how likely one is to get blinkered – as the brain develops the two hemispheres develop methods for, effectively, drowning out the other hemisphere, and the completeness of this process will partially be genetic and partially environmental.

Pretty strongly right handed. But left footed (in the footballing sense, not religious).

I’m the opposite, left handed to write right handed everything else, probably why I’m shit at golf

Left handed here, but my entire family (both own and in-laws) are right handed and they’re all fully on our side. But we’re also all traditional Catholics (a niche part of the Catholic Church) so there’s a tendency towards “different thinking”…

Old righty here

Yep, I’m definitely sinister. Though right-footed, and throw right-handed.

Right-handed and pretty left-brained.

I’m left handed and sceptical of everything. No evidence – no belief.

I’m right handed and right footed – I didn’t have much skill at football but the biggest compliment anyone ever paid me on the pitch was when an opposing player shouted “Don’t let him get it on his right foot” – I had quite an accurate shot. Many years ago I did an experiment to see if I could become more ambidextrous, which didn’t work but a small remnant is that when I need to use a handkerchief I go to my left pocket.

Thanks for all your replies. Really, I knew it was a nonsense as soon as I pressed ‘post’, especially as, if I think about it, my own left-handedness extends only to writing and hand sewing, while using knives and scissors I’m right handed. With other things – like house painting, or using an electric knife – I’m comfortable using either hand.

I’m centre-right.

I was struck by the opening paragraph of the article, with the lemmings queuing to jump off the cliff.

The lemmings lie was one of the most effective scams ever perpetrated, the result of which is still in effect today. Even though the scam was exposed, it’s a persistent analogy.

Let’s hope the covid scam doesn’t persist as long!

A simple question to ask everyone you know, and to ask your MPs.

If Covid 19 is so bad where are all the supermarket deaths?

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Jay Bhattacharya: Lockdown is more harmful than Covid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-J7HF_JDyY

youtube watch?v=0-J7HF_JDyY

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Ivor Cummins
128K subscribers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_pFoaUiZoE

youtube watch?v=K_pFoaUiZoE
One for the politically naive people out there – in a simplified story format to explain
People keep asking #WhyAreTheyDoingThis?, and rightly so. Well here’s just one reason – in a sense they have no choice, politically.

More than just deaths. Why has no supermarket around the country been shut due to Covid?

Hi are there any top graphic designers out there who want to do their bit to help end all this nonsense?

We have some of the biggest names in the sceptic world now working on our content that will be promoted to the public 121.

We need it to look great. This is what the opposition are up to https://www.purposedisruptors.org/

We need to match them.

Please get in touch via http://www.covid19assembly.org

Thanks

Happy to help – sent you my details.

Interesting to follow the chain:
https://www.purposedisruptors.org/
leads to: https://www.reclaimingagency.com/meet-us (jonathan Wise)
leads to: https://www.thecommslab.com/orit-gal (a member of IPPR’s ‘New Era Economics’ panel
leads to: https://www.ippr.org/research/publications/transforming-the-economy-after-covid19

Sturgeon has "little else to ban" - well how about sweeties? Children can get excited around them and fail to observe distancing. 

What about banning deep friend mars bars to help curb the obesity levels and stop a few deaths that way!

*fried

She’s already banned friends – presumably because she’s jealous of anyone who has any.

The way the economy is going, by January we’ll be deep-frying our friends just to survive.

Must make a list then . . .

When the initial lockdown resulted in empty supermarket shelves we did speculatively eye up the dogs. Too scrawny we decided.
(Note to dog lovers, it’s a joke, we’d never)

Working from home for six months has added a bit of variety to our diet. We haven’t had dog (we wouldn’t either) but being able to get exotic meats delivered means we’ve had kangaroo, ostrich, water buffalo and tonight I’m cooking goat – Moroccan style.

I have some friends who are, sadly, becoming deep-fryable!

After the gradual ramping up of my disillusionment with the SNP‘s murky internal shenanigans, Salmondgate, Cherrymandering and Nicola‘s (aka the Grim Gauleiter of Govan) dangerous Covid authoritarianism, I quit the SNP last month. I’ll still vote for Scotland’s independence if another opportunity presents itself but have grave concerns about her gang of Stepford Wives and Children of the Corn being initially at the helm of an independent state. Anyway, I’d like to share with you my feelings about Nic’s Covid ‘approach’ in the form of a showtune:

(With apologies to Irving Berlin and Ethel Merman)

‘There’s no sickness like Covid sickness like no sickness Nic knows
Everything about it is appealing, all the extra power lockdown will provide
Nowhere can Nic get that happy feeling when she’s stealing that extra life

There’s no tyrants like Covid tyrants, they smile when they say NO!
Even with a Casedemic that Nic knows is mince, Leitch will screech just to convince
Nic will continue to fail, repeat and rinse, and she’ll go on with the show!’

… c’mon Nic! You know the words!

I only really have one friend whom I see with any regularity, and our friendship has had to be suspended because his girlfriend’s gone into bed-wetter mode and, instead of slapping her into her senses, he’s indulging her. The upshot of which is that I’m banned from visiting them, because I might kill her (she’s 22).

The other day, I received a ‘phone call from them. “We’re moving house, would you be able to come over and give us a hand?” I took great delight in pointing out that certain double standards were at play.

Ha ha! Some double standards with a few members of my family and freinds too. Did you end up giving them a hand?

No. I did agree to help, but I think I’d made them feel embarrassed as they insisted they could manage well enough.

Let’s hope a vaccine is brought out quickly so she can take it and feel safe again.

Yes – this is another of those logic/evidence-free twists that we have seen so much of.

The low likelihood of catching SARS-CoV-2, coupled with its low CFR is replaced by the certainty of getting a novel vaccine whose effects have not been sufficiently explored.

Brain goes walkies again.

One could write a book about the twists and turns of illogic in the shit-show.

I’d have been tempted to help out and then sneeze on all their worldly goods.

Sturgeon has “little else” to ban. How about sweeties? Children tend to go mad around them and social distancing can be forgotten.

Bit ironic that the ‘purposedisruptors’ started off meeting in a pub and the worse bit, about 60 of them altogether!.. Johnson has put a firm stop to that bit of nonsense!

‘purposedisruptors’ started off meeting in a pub

Err, well, that’s what they tell us. You did see what they do for a living ?

Bill Hicks, as is often the case, springs to mind.

FYI:

https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-barrington-declaration-an-open-letter-arguing-against-lockdown-policies-and-for-focused-protection/

The main arguments seem to be:

• Effectively protecting the vulnerable is impossible.
• We don’t know how long immunity lasts; therefore herd immunity might not be achievable.
• “Long Covid”.

If protecting the vulnerable is impossible then what purpose does the lockdown achieve?

Yes, it’s a mysterious thing. You can protect everyone in the country but not a smaller group of people in the country. Pretty amazing stuff.

Here’s another one. Having had the virus doesn’t confer immunity, but a vaccine will. That’s also quite amazing.

Another one. Lockdown measures control this new virus, but regular colds and flus still circulate freely. That is really amazing.

If you didn’t know better, you’d think the government thinks we are all completely stupid, right?

Either that, or the government is stupid enough to believe what lobbyists from the pharma industry are telling them and simply don’t care what the public think.

Perfectly summed up! Note to government – some of us aren’t that daft!

Searching for logic in the Covid argument is like trying to find water in the Namib.

On the ‘protecting the vulnerable’ ploy – the actual pragmatic answer is the old one : let them protect themselves (in do far as they are able), and assist in doing that. Which brings us back to normality … which is the problem, of course.

Yes. I can no longer penetrate the veil of obfuscation.

Chinese hegemony.

Response to point 2: that completely undermines the premise of vaccination
Response to point 3: if that is a phenomenon, running a challenge trial for a vaccine, (notwithstanding the response to point 2), is morally dubious and dangerous

Yeah I found a few sites using experts in The Science™ to poo-poo the GBD. Never takes long does it.

I’ve spoken to a few “scientacolytes” I know (those who hardcore preach the popular science – not just your normie “scientistas” who simply use expert-idolisation as part of their virtue signalling) and they have all gone right in there with the “MAH LONG COVID” defence, plus all the ballox around children getting Kawasaki Syndrome etc.

Apparently fractions of a fraction of a percent are all that is needed for maximum risk avoidance like it’s a certainty. Science? Scientism more like.

Sorry, I posted this before realising that it’s included in the post!

I have asked a couple of times but couldn’t find my posts to check for replies so please forgive me for asking again but please could Carrie or another of the Swedish posters tell me whether Sweden is worrying itself with the phenomenon of “long Covid”? Thank you. Hopefully as I am near the front of the list I will be able to find any replies.

At the top of the comments there’s a little symbol on the left, here you can check back on any of your posts

Thanks Adele. Just posting to follow your advice!

Couldn’t get it to work, it just asked me if I wanted to delete my comments. Thank you though.

i just tried it – top of comments on left little man symbol. clicked on this and got a list of past comments . yes – option to delete. but each comment a hyperlink to the original entry

There is a strong anti Tegnell/Giesecke group in Sweden which has some backers in MSM
The names are in this Lancet link attacking Giesecke’s silent pandemic article

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31672-X/fulltext

They have lately(probably inspired by BM/BMJ)jumped into long covid band wagon.They are still a minority opinion

“Long Covid” is just fearmongering nonsense.

Every virus will result in a minority of long term sufferers, just as some will not even know they have it. This is the case with every flu season, people react differently to viruses. It even has a name, ‘post-viral syndrome’ or ‘post-viral fatigue’.

This just confirms to me that this is a scam, a normal virus that has been deliberately ramped up to create fear in the population.

People on Jeremy Vine yesterday fear mongering about long Covid. I had to switch off as started to feel pure rage!

It took me six months to recover from pneumonia and I still have scarred lungs. Not abnormal with any severe lung disease ( and mine was bacterial).

More Or Less R4 yesterday said long Covid was entirely self diagnosed and reported. Someone who thinks they had Covid in March and has a headache today can say it is long Covid so all utter b*llocks.

I am sympathetic to a lot of the general thrust of the sceptic argument (minus the culture war / conspiracy stuff), but sceptics are not doing their cause any favours by outright denial about Long Covid.

I’ve been ill since March – diagnosed with pericarditis (inflammation of the lining of the heart), which I got as a result of suspected Covid. For a month I had a fiery pain in my lungs and for several months a heavy weight on my chest, as well as a weird range of more minor symptoms which I won’t bore you with. It took me until August to feel more human again and still haven’t regained my baseline level of health. So if the term Long Covid is accepted, it probably refers to people like me. I agree that this term and what causes it is a matter for debate (am neither a medic nor a scientist so am staying out of that debate); that other viruses also spark lasting effects (e.g. pericarditis); and that reasonable people can disagree on what the appropriate policy response is to Long Covid. But w hat cannot be denied is that what we are going through is very real.

For the sake of balance/openmindedness/not living in an echochamber etc, I look both on Lockdown Sceptics and at longcovid sites for information. It seems to me that ironically, even though longcoviders and sceptics appear diametrically opposed on a lot, there are some points in common (apart from the obvious one that the UK government has messed things up bigtime):

1.The sceptic claim of a 0.1% fatality rate, which I agree seems plausible, implies far more people had CV19 around the Feb-March peak of infections than appears in official statistics. You should therefore be more inclined to believe people who say they had it early on. It stands to reason that if many millions had it then, if even a small minority of them both were non-trivially ill in the community and had lasting effects, that is quite a large number of people. In response to a frequently asked question here, the reason why longcoviders can’t prove they had Covid is simple: we caught it well before testing was available to those ill with Covid in the community but not ill enough for hospitalisation. Having initially obeyed the ‘stay at home protect the NHS’ nonsense, my condition deteriorated and I ended up having to attend hospital about six times between April and July, but not admitted overnight hence no test. GPs and A&E doctors all agreed from my symptoms I had probably had Covid, but I don’t feature anywhere in official statistics.

2.Both are critical of an overreliance in official management of CV19 on flawed lab testing rather than clinical diagnosis. In response to another claim sometimes made here (some longcoviders have had negative tests, therefore they must be lying), the reason why some longcoviders have had negative tests is that by the time they got tested it was too late for a positive test. Thus I was finally tested in late May, not at my request but at that of the GP just to check I was safe to have back in the surgery for my heart issues, and not surprisingly (at least 2 and a half months after infection) it was negative. A similar issue applies to negative antibodies – I had a negative antibody test because tested 3 months after infection, whereas it seems they wear off after a couple of months. Sceptics argue that immunity can’t just be measured by antibodies, because of T-cell immunity, so they should not discount possible Long Covid cases simply on the basis of negative antibody tests.

3.Both are critical of negligence in the NHS. Everyone here will be aware this is a big problem for those with non-Covid illnesses, but arguably it also applies to those with significant Covid illness in the community. I was ‘lucky’ in that developing a serious heart condition, whose symptoms can overlap with those of a heart attack, meant I at least got some access to medical care (give or take the usual long delays in getting supposedly urgent scans). You would think from some of the comments here that having Long Covid is a magic passport to jumping the queue but it is not. Contrary to the idea that it is some sort of government conspiracy, it took months of campaigning by patients before the government recognised it at all. Back in April on 111 online, if I put my symptoms through the Covid page it just said stay at home for 7 days (useless for those ill for far longer), but with exactly the same symptoms but not mentioning Covid it said go to A&E straight away. Since then my GP has been great; the A&E triage nurse who did not believe my elevated heart rate was due to pericarditis, and asked me if I had taken cocaine, rather less so! But many other longcoviders were not so fortunate and have had to manage by themselves with no help or treatment for what have been in many cases some pretty debilitating symptoms, and some (especially women) have been dismissed as suffering from anxiet

We’re not your enemy. Love and solidarity to all who are suffering.

I was posting while out and about while on the go and didn’t have time to expand.
I’m not saying long Covid does not exist just that as there is no medical definition of what it is any claims about its prevalence must be discounted.

My sympathy for your troubles and I wish you well.

Brother in law works for border force and he knows 2 colleagues who have been off since May with “long covid” there is no medical follow up to this so they can effectively self certify – in his opinion they are milking it.

Would be good to see a comparison of the numbers of people suffering with long covid in the public sector compared to private…..

Like the familiar “bad back” excuse – back problems can be genuine and severe but they’re also an easy option for the malingerer as it’s difficult to prove that someone doesn’t have a bad back.

I’m public sector and some departments give full pay for 6 months followed by half pay for 6 months for those with long term illnesses. Watch that long Covid miraculously cure itself at the 6 month mark!

Reading the BBC response to the Barrington declaration, I couldn’t help but think of the following Friedman quote – The society that puts equality before freedom will end up with neither.

Or another Friedman quote – “it’s very hard to convince someone of something when their job depends on them not being convinced”

Friedman wasn’t a great philosophical thinker. The concepts aren’t in opposition; he was just dressing up his politics.

Equality of outcome, as a guiding principle of law and policy is totally destructive of freedom. Its implementation can only be attempted through totalitarian mechanisms.

We see this already through the development of totalitarian-style groupthink media in the USA and UK.

ITV, like CNN, now have long propaganda segments between programmes instructing viewers what to believe about equality issues. The BBC has an official Reality Check service to tell people what reality is and what they should believe. All programmes, from history to lifestyle, even game shows, are now full of equality of outcome propaganda. This would all have been unthinkable 20 years ago. Imagine where we will be in another 20 years.

Does it mean we all get paid the same as Gary Lineker for doing just as little?

One of my never-to-be-written books is provisionally called The False Dogma of Human Equality. The subject has probably been covered by Douglas Murray and others so I don’t need to write it myself.

That’s a good quote. I’m sure equality in this context means equality of outcome, not equality before the law or equality of opportunity.

In practice equality does not exist. Not just due to unavoidable bias or inherent injustice, but because it is simply not possible for two individuals, let alone larger groups, to be “equal”. Upon this false premise entire systems of governance have been founded.

I think fairness is more important.

This comes down to Jonathan’s Haidt’s moral foundations. Some people seem not to factor “justice” in their calculations – i.e. that it’s wrong that people who work hard are fleeced to level up those who choose not to put in the same effort. I got annoyed at a Triggernomentry discussion the other day when the interviewee rolled out the hoary old Marxist chestnut of “from each according to his ability, to each according to his need” because that’s just an excuse for exploitation by the lazy and talentless.

Obviously, that sums up Marx himself to a tee, so it’s no surprise he was all for it.

It’s based on the unfortunate assumption that the lazy and talentless will only be rewarded for their contribution. Somewhat naive.

Toby shouldn’t be surprised that Vice grassed up the developer of the anti track and trace app. The company might style itself as being independent and edgy but it is owned by Private Equity and other multinational media companies (Rupert Murdoch had a stake in the past and possibly still does).

The message (propaganda) in the media tends to be one as most brands have common ownerships, even local newspapers.

My wife has an optician appointment right now. The opticians were informed yesterday that my wife is exempt from wearing a mask due to her severe asthma. The person on the phone yesterday told me she would make a note of that and that all would be fine.

Guess what. My wife’s just phoned to say they would not let her in without a mask. So she’s currently masked up in the waiting room.

I’ve just got off the phone to the opticians where I’ve recited government guidelines on mask exemption down the line, and asked if they’re aware of the penalties of forcing a mask on someone despite their exemption. The lady on the phone was very polite and professional, and agreed to immediately investigate the situation, to apologise to my wife and allow her to continue the appointment maskless.

I normally hate confrontation, but I’m shaking with anger.

Your wife is exempt AND their premises are exempt! Of course, in the usual contradictory way, new rules mean the staff have to be masked.

The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Wearing of Face Coverings in a Relevant Place) (England) Regulations 2020
…..

7. Premises (other than registered pharmacies) providing wholly or mainly medical or dental services, audiology services, chiropody, chiropractic, osteopathic, optometry or other medical services including services relating to mental health.

I normally hate confrontation, but I’m shaking with anger.

 Gets easier every time, Mr Dee. You’ve probably helped many customers of that optician too.

It’s interesting how the “rules”, even within a particular sector, are being interpreted differently. I had an opticians appointment a couple of weeks ago including an eye test. The subject of masks came up while making the appointment and I told the receptionist that I was exempt. She duly made a note of that and on entering the shop for my appointment there was no issue at all. And on the subsequent visit to have my new spectacles fitted there was no problem at all.

I’ve no idea whether your wife visited a chain or independent optician; mine is independent and recent experience has shown that independents of anything are more pragmatic than chains.

Boots. As in ‘stamping on a human face forever.’

Anyway, to their credit, following my phone call, they immediately allowed my wife to continue unmasked, apologised profusely and were exceptionally kind and polite to her throughout the whole appointment.

It just goes to show the importance of making an immediate protest in these events. Chip, chip, chip away at the seemingly towering edifice, and sooner or later it will collapse.

You, sir, have fulfilled your quota for the day. Good work!

So she’s currently masked up in the waiting room.

Very sad. However, why did she put the mask on instead of voting with her feet?

Thank goodness she had you to stand up for her, if she didn’t feel confident to face confrontation.

Well done! Not only have you helped your wife but also they will think twice about bullying others in the future .

THIS is what students should be doing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rGqaMkoiyg

Who would recommend a trip to Italy now you have to wear a mask literally everywhere??

Literally no one.

Nobody. Was going to go to Rome in July to have a better look at the sights without all the tourists about, opted to go somewhere else. It’ll have to wait now!

Apologies if this has already been posted however I came across this site too calling for a different approach and asking for people’s opinions.

https://restorethebalance.info/#sad

This is a great website.

It’s time for the UK to return to its senses.

Restore The Balance is campaigning for a approach to Covid that acknowledges the risk, but weighs action against its consequences.

We aim to calm the hysteria, share the facts and put Covid into a rational perspective.

Every single person who joins us makes a difference. We welcome your support.

WHAT’S YOUR VIEW?

What’s your view on Covid19?

We want to encourage a proper debate.

Whatever your reason for backing our campaign, it’s important. Together, we can change what’s happening.

Some good articles are linked there.

Well today BA decommissioned the last of their Boeing 747 ‘jumbo jets’ thanks to government interference in travel. The 747 to me was the main symbol of the jet era, and it really feels like the end of an era for mass international travel.

At this moment, I’m more concerned with travel within national boundaries – unfettered by restrictions on where and how I can eat/drink etc.

Nobody asked you to make a choice between the two.

All of the restrictions should be scrapped immediately. I’m sure being on this site, you would agree.

Did Jim Davidson’s black friend “Chalky” make the list?

just read through the list .. haven’t heard of most of them . Show the list to an average black guy on the street and they also wont of heard of most of them either. Unless they are a Guardian reader,

More than three times as many people died due to Covid-19 compared with deaths from flu or pneumonia in England and Wales in 2020 , according to figures from the Office of National Statistics

for a 1 in 100 year event, a bit of a nothingburger then

From ONS stats

Deaths where the underlying cause was respiratory disease (ICD-10 J00-J99) = 49,771

Deaths where COVID-19 was mentioned on the death certificate (ICD-10 U07.1 and U07.2) = 52,271



Very telling!

… and if you believe that bit of BBC propaganda, there’s fairies at the bottom of our garden.

“ Deaths where COVID-19 was mentioned on the death certificate”

… which includes broken legs and traffic accidents.

On the BBC news this lunchtime they reported this, followed by saying that flu/pneumonia deaths were well down this year compared to recent years. I was literally screaming at the TV – THIS IS BECAUSE YOU CANT DIE TWICE! – a lot of the people that have died from Covid would have died from the flu. But they did not make any link or correlation, just fear, fear, fear.

Just doing their job!

… it all becomes a bit confusing considering the claim that Covid deaths are mainly due to sensitive individuals contracting fatal pneumonia due to complications from ‘the virus’, doesn’t it (at least that’s what I always heard…) ?
Wonder if we’ll ever know how exactly they distinguish Covid-pneumonia-fatalities from other fatal cases of pneumonia (which can be either bacterial or viral, as far as I know).

What exactly does “due to covid” mean?

It’s a very stinky red herring, isn’t it?

Times leader on Great Barrington. Typical MSM pushback in part, but conceded may be only long term solution.

A concession is a start!

Jerry Seinfeld was excellent on Today R4-made more sense than the Imperial College guy who followed.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000n478 at 2:44 by the way.

.

I’m going to go back to an analogy I used the other day and elaborate on it a little.

We’re currently stood at one side of a large fast flowing river and need to get to the other side. Everything we need is on the other side, homes, jobs, friends, families, normal life. Our leaders have told us that we can only get to the other side once the river has dried up because any other option would involve unnecessary risk.

There is no food on this side and nothing that will keep us alive if we dwell too long. The longer we wait the more of us will die a slow death.

A small group have suggested that we build a bridge to cross the river but they are shut down because there is no guarantee that it is possible a bridge can be built.

So what do we do? Wait till the river dries up or start building that bridge?

Wonderful way of putting it. The solution begins and ends with us.

Or the biggest, strongest and best swimmers amongst us wade across, carrying the weaker ones on our backs.

Today’s update made a very important point regarding the “Expert reaction” to the Barrington Declaration.

“If herd immunity isn’t achievable because antibodies fade, leaving those who have them vulnerable over time, then that also rules out an effective vaccine.”

Exactly. They can’t have it both ways.

Unfortunately they probably can, because as I understand it some of the vaccine candidates alter the victim’s [sic] dna to achieve their effects by radically different means from traditional vaccines.

But in the panic they’ll be rushed into use after a few months testing, just like the rest. What could possibly go wrong?

Doesn’t that describe the flu jab?

The temporary effects yes but the dna altering aspects no. The proposed vaccine is unlike any ever before.

Kendrick explains this very clearly here:
https://brandnewtube.com/watch/dr-zac-uncensored-with-dr-malcolm-kendrick-live_W2EGf2HuoMorJVI.html

It’s well-worth hearing all of the talk but the bit about the new vaccine starts at about 1hr 10 mins.

They will just say we need a monthly vaccine or some rubbish like that.

The Oxford Vaccine group key individuals, and indeed the Big Pharma sponsors only make shed loads if the virus is endemic. They therefore want limited duration immunity, requiring regular shots of the vaccine. It will be distributed ‘at cost’ if there is a pandemic (that is, medical emergency). The best drugs for Big Pharma, which are now off-patent, included Tagamet, Zantac and Losec (for peptic ulcers). They don’t make enough money from low-frequency prescribed drugs!

You get what you vote for. England gets the clown Johnson and Scotland has the malevolent Nicola. That’s democracy in action.

“Democracy is also a form of worship. It is the worship of Jackals by Jackasses”

…. H L Mencken

Of course, Mencken had some other beauties for these times. For amusement :

“Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard.”

“The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”

“The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.”

“Nobody ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American [substitute ‘British’] public.”

“Democracy is the art and science of running the circus from the monkey cage.”

“No one in this world, so far as I know – and I have searched the records for years, and employed agents to help me – has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people.”

“The one permanent emotion of the inferior man is fear – fear of the unknown, the complex, the inexplicable. What he wants above everything else is safety.”

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out… without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.”

“Most people want security in this world, not liberty.”

“Every decent man is ashamed of the government he lives under.”

“The worst government is often the most moral. One composed of cynics is often very tolerant and humane. But when fanatics are on top there is no limit to oppression.”

“All government, of course, is against liberty.”

“Giving every man a vote has no more made men wise and free than Christianity has made them good.”

“I confess I enjoy democracy immensely. It is incomparably idiotic, and hence incomparably amusing.”

Couldn’t agree more. Our political leaders merely reflect the shocking state of our society and culture back at us. No wonder so many are following every order, however ridiculous.

Democracy isn’t so much about choosing your leaders, it’s about being able to get rid of them. Unfortunately we look to be in for a long wait and little prospect of any better ones.

I’d just like to announce that I am in a bad way today. I’ve been hit with a triple whammy!

I have an asymptomatic stomach ache, an asymptomatic headache (quite severe) and to top that off I also have a really nasty case of asymptomatic diarrhoea.

So I feel absolutely fine, but I’ve heard that these asymptomatic conditions can be really serious, so I’m going to self isolate for a few days.

Wish me luck everyone!

I am currently suffering from Long Water. It is as yet unproven but every medical condition known to man can be linked to people having an affirmative test for drinking water at some stage in their life. I think more research needs to be done into this important aspect of water drinking and is all too often ignored or laughed off. People need to take this seriously.

100% of people that drink water die and that’s a fact.

Impeccable logic.

That’ll be the ale, JP.

I don’t drink.

Might as well then, as you’ve got all the hangover symptoms anyway …

You did read my post didn’t you, JohnB?

Sorry JP, my subconscious currently automatically ignores ‘asymptomatic’ as meaningless.

Just because you don’t drink, it doesn’t mean that drink didn’t cause your symptoms

We just don’t know enough yet about when and how drink can affect people but we’ve nevertheless created a vaccine which might offer some protection against some of the effects of drink and you should take it immediately!

I apologise Dom. Of course, you are correct in your analysis.

You might have walked past an unmuzzled stranger who tested positive for ale-drinking!

Exactly. There have been reported cases of non-drinkers experiencing drinking symptoms asymptomatically following encounters with drinkers so you can’t rule anything out !

I’m afraid to tell you but these symptoms could persist for many years, at least until you get a vaccine.

Whenever we encounter muppets who believe in the government, let us send this resounding message:

All your sacrifices have been for absolutely nothing except to guarantee your lifelong impoverishment and enslavement, for which you will be paying for the rest of your miserable life.

I resent that they aren’t just doing it to themselves – we are being dragged down with them

I get a lot of lemon-sucking expressions when, after someone has handed me their T&T post-it and announce proudly “I’ve filled in my details for you”, and I respond “I don’t want it, you’re handing over your personal information to this useless government” It staggers me that they look at me as though I am the crazy one!

There’s none so blind as those who don’t want to see.

Jeremy Vine trailer just mentioned story coming up of woman who gave T&T details on bus (??) and then got creepy texts from an ‘admirer’. More fool her.

Well, I’m staggered it’s taken so long to get my first ‘Boris Johnson’ (tel no. 007007007!). Though, have to say, overall compliance is on the wane, thankfully.

i got a text from something claiming to be test and trace, they got my number fomr my GP via the NHS on the orders of Wancock. Everyone has rececived them if they have a phone number with their GP. Write to your gp if you got one and ask why, and who has the th hone number, their data controller is responsible

And you children and grandchildren will inherit your debt.
Sins of the fathers …..

“Tierney concludes:”

The lockdowns may have been justified in the spring, when so little was known about the virus and the ways to contain it.

I’m very tired of this take, as it excuses the lack of due diligence employed by the authorities andthe more attention seeking of the scientific establishment. Extreme measures require looking at the level-headed voices, not just the scare mongering voices. Just the most casual interest was all that this casual, armchair observer needed while drinking his morning coffee to find John Ioannidis’ professional analysis that was based on real-world data that was available to all of our experts in mid-March:

“The one situation where an entire, closed population was tested was the Diamond Princess cruise ship and its quarantine passengers. The case fatality rate there was 1.0%, but this was a largely elderly population, in which the death rate from Covid-19 is much higher.

“Projecting the Diamond Princess mortality rate onto the age structure of the U.S. population, the death rate among people infected with Covid-19 would be 0.125%.”

And what are we finding all these months later? Using the WHO’s own data, the death rate is 0.13%.

So please spare us the “we didn’t know” excuse. Part of due diligence should also have involved checking the past patterns of predictions from our undeservedly esteemed “experts” that were catastrophically wrong.

The only argument I can ever think of for the lockdown is that it might buy time for developing effective treatment e.g. the realisation that ventilators were harming not helping. However that assumes that lockdowns actually work which absolutely has not been proven. We also already had a well thought out disaster plan in place for this scenario that didn’t require a lockdown. That plan was there so that we wouldn’t have to panic and do the wrong things. What happened? They panicked and ignored the plan. So the exact scenario for which the plan was created for was the time when they decided to ignore it. Brilliant.

Yes – I well remember the beginning of all this, and, within the framework of (in hindsight propagandised) information then available, a degree of short-term suppression of a peak was not irrational. In fact, the initial debate about it was quite rational and evidence-based.

Of course – the rest is history, and nothing justifies the situation that we are now in where, in my perception, the measures taken are now repression for the sake of repression – and nothing to do with health or an evidence base.

It was never about short-term suppression. Once started, it was in for the long haul. Ferguson made that quite clear in his March report and various presentations. Anyone who thought it was going to be short and sharp was believing what they wanted to believe.

From SARS papers back then they showed that Non Invasive Ventilation was better than intubating patients.

It’s not the public’s responsibility to wait for doctors to figure out treatments.

Pro-lockdown arguments might hold water for the first week or so but the fact that 6 months on they are being prolonged is more than a tad suspicious.

Same. There was enough information back in February and March and also historical information. We knew the age demographics, that obesity was a big factor, that it was likely seasonal, that the vast majority were asymptomatic or had mild symptoms, and that it was more widespread. We knew that models didn’t represent reality and that numbers were already higher at the start and then serological testing proved the true IFR. We even knew that the China strategy created problems which caused more deaths in Italy. It’s not the first coronavirus and it shared strong similarities with the flu.

What exactly did people not know back in March?

Very lucrative though!

Absolutely. Top comment!!

Well as of Week 39, an additional 66,000 people have died in England and Wales compared with the previous 10-years (which includes at least one serious influenza epidemic). The population is 60M, so a simple estimate if everyone has been infected might be 0.11%. Of course not everyone has been infected, but not everyone of those 66k deaths were due to COVID. The proportions of each are up for debate. If half have of the population have had the infection (unlikely) and only 45k died OF covid – i.e. every single COVID19 death was identified, the rate is 0.14%. The Diamond Princess mortality is based on on-board lockdown quarantine measures. Most likely perhaps 10-20% have had the infection implying that we can be reasonably certain that the mortality rate is <1%. If I had to pin the number on the death rate, I’d go with 20% infected and 50k COVID19 deaths for a death rate of 0.4%.

All deference to your presumable highly esteemed expertise aside, I’ll stand with the professor who teaches medicine, epidemiology, public health, and statistics to use those areas of expertise in his methodology.

Thanks – I do that too

The lockdown argument continues as those protecting their ‘scientific’ positions hunker down like flat earthers against the onslaught of evidence based science and reality. Eventually it may take the PCR test being debunked in court (with more damning evidence in todays LS) by the class action lawyers – but this will not undo the catastrophic harm done by those that claim to be public health experts.

But something abhorrent is being done for political reasons. The WHO have u-turned on masks under political pressure and based on threadbare ‘evidence’.

The report by Dr. Margarite Griesz-Brisson MD, PhD is a Consultant Neurologist and Neurophysiologist with a PhD in Pharmacology, with special interest in neurotoxicology, environmental medicine, neuroregeneration and neuroplasticity should make any parent sick to the stomach and scared! – extract;

To deprive a child’s or an adolescent’s brain from oxygen, or to restrict it in any way, is not only dangerous to their health, it is absolutely criminal. Oxygen deficiency inhibits the development of the brain, and the damage that has taken place as a result CANNOT be reversed .

The child needs the brain to learn, and the brain needs oxygen to function. We don’t need a clinical study for that. This is simple, indisputable physiology. Conscious and purposely induced oxygen deficiency is an absolutely deliberate health hazard, and an absolute medical contraindication.

An absolute medical contraindication in medicine means that this drug, this therapy, this method or measure should not be used – is not allowed to be used. To coerce an entire population to use an absolute medical contraindication by force, there must be definite and serious reasons for this, and the reasons must be presented to competent interdisciplinary and independent bodies to be verified and authorised.

I suggest parents write to their schools teachers, local authorities, MPs, etc telling that you will hold them personally responsible for any harm there actions cause to your children.

full report…

https://thewallwillfall.org/2020/10/05/covid-19-masks-are-a-crime-against-humanity-and-child-abuse/

Great post

Visit Pratt Handcock`s twitter feed at anytime to realize that the tide is or has already turned. Lt Gruber indeed.

Someone should send him that hilarious “Downfall” parody posted in these comments.

We need to replace the downfall meme with a video of Matt Hancock taking questions in parliament.

“I won’t have it! I wont!”

A large part of me now is wanting a further nationwide lockdown. Seems a lot of thick cunts still think they work and have to learn the hard way.

Well said, if somewhat vulgar.

Accepted. Apologies. ‘Thick feckers’ would’ve sufficed.

There’s an old “political incorrect joke” concerning the body part you mentioned along the lines ” no, they’re not ××××× because they are useful.

Cunt ( cuente ) was courtly language in Chaucer’s day.

Yes, and if it’s good enough for Chaucer, it’s too good for those $&€@*%£÷×’S

I know what you mean. Things are totally broken now. Utterly unbearable. We need another lockdown. Just like in March. This might wake up the sheeple. It’s not unpleasant enough.

Broken for sure. I don’t know if those who have somehow been untouched so far and still fail to recognise that the pain is on its way for all of us would be troubled by full lockdown, though. Covid is their faith and they can be driven to embrace any amount of self-harm (and harm to others) in sacrifice to their false idols.

yes. sadly. It’s crazy. Branch Covidians.

Do you really think it will affect them? They’re probably already safely tucked up at home with a comfortable income, food delivery and, like my “friend”, insisting that facetime is just the same as face-to-face.

I think your right, people are loving this, well some are. Never had it so good.

“Such one-sided support for the pro-lockdown, wait-for-the-vaccine status quo seems unlikely to restore public confidence in science, particularly when you look at who the most generous sponsors of the Centre are: AstraZeneca, Merck Sharp & Dohme (MSD) Limited, Sanofi and GlaxoSmithKline.” Aren’t these all part of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation GAVI cartel? You don’t have to scratch very hard to know that it smells!

For me, the even greater smell comes from three things :

1. The incredible hand-over of money to the pharmaceutical industry by government, on the basis of a promise and a fart
2. The absolution of that industry from responsibility for their product
3. The weakening of the regulatory framework

I’d want a hazmat suit to touch any product emerging from that little lot.

Closely linked to the Blair Foundation, The Blairites who are currently ruining this country

“ The other obvious explanation for the increase in number of ‘cases’ is that far more people are being tested – 280,000 per day now compared to 10,000 at the peak in March.”

I suspect that there’s another factor at play in the number of positive “cases”: Now that students are back at universities, you can see the test centers where students are lining up for mandatory testing. What happens if they test positive? They have to be quarantined, and in situations that I’m familiar with, they have to test negative two times in a row to be considered clear. So people who’ve already tested positive will test positive again and again until the finally test negative. I personally know of three young people who’re are each represented as multiple positive cases.

Can you get this information to CEBM somehow? Suspect it is not an isolated situation – likely happening across all the major universities with ‘outbreaks’.

CEBM have been onto all the anomalies of PCR testing.

Not sure about the double/triple/quadruple counting of this specific dataset (students) though?

You may be right on that particular – but they have been onto double-counting in general.

Yes, agree – they picked up the Pillar 1 and Pillar 2 double counting – if you are picked up in the community but then have to go to hospital, you likely end up in both datasets. Not sure if some/all of that was rectified in the rebasing of positive ‘cases’ at the start of July, and whether it has slipped back into the system? There is also the issue of testing positive, then negative a few days later (first one likely a false positive), the positive stays in the system. But I think what is happening now is different, and of course, deliberate.

That’s all very well, but the PCR test is not fit for the purpose to which it is now being used.

It detects viral genetic material. In this case, viral RNA, (as SARS-CoV-2, like all coronaviruses, is a (+)sense RNA virus).

The test does not detect live virus. This has been demonstrated experimentally. (See yesterdays main LDS post by Toby).

A positive test by PCR in and of itself means next to nothing.

Are there any protests planned in Scotalnd this weekend?

Never mind protests, there should be civil unrest at this utter shit. But…. I can but dream.

Trouble is,there’s millions who are perfectly happy with the present situation (God knows why)

That’d be a win/win though. Civil unrest = martial law and army on the streets. All for our safety of course.

I get what you are saying, but see it this way, people went beserk over an American man who got shot by the police, a very unpleasant man also.
Yet, as we all know, our very fabric of life is being ripped apart every day, our freedoms and liberties, people dying of serious illness such as cancer etc, the NHS & Dr’s are a joke now, millions of jobs are being lost because of the state of the economy now & the draconian “local lockdown” measures, plus lots of other things that are a direct result of this utter fear mongering pushed by the government.

&…..Nobody has batted an eyelid at it all???? I am losing the will to live each day. I normally don’t agree with civil unrest, but something has to give here.

Yet, I don’t see anything happening about this.
Sorry for going on, but it’s wearing extremely thin now.

No. Asda and Tesco are doing BOGOF’s on Bucky and Blue Cider!

Thought I saw something at Holyrood on Saturday ?

The Government seems to have a two pronged policy regarding the NHS and Covid treatment.

1. Keep as many people away from hospitals as possible, because they may be needed for Covid. To hell with the fatalities, people dying at home in unprecedented numbers, baked in deaths from shelved diagnoses and treatments of critical illnesses and so forth. Just keep people out of hospital if at all possible.

2. Lock down Society, destroy livelihoods and kill more people in the hope that nobody ever has to go to hospital with Covid.

Not the most sensible or ethical policy is it? Not if you still cleave to the idea that the NHS is meant to protect you rather than the other way round.

Far from being a service that we pay for and expect help from in return, the NHS is now a deity on whose altar our most needy are being sacrificed.

The sad thing is you still get people who will worship on the altar of the NHS even with the mess unfolding before their very eyes.

The NHS has turned into the No Health Service. What will it take for the asleep to wake up?

The “it’s too hard to protect the vulnerable” argument is such a transparent excuse. If we invested even a tiny fraction of the resources sunk into furlough, bounceback loans, mass testing, surveillance etc. into protection for those who really want it then we would surely find a way.

Perhaps they mean it is too hard to ‘protect’ people against their will. As it should be.

Well “it’s too hard to protect the vulnerable” is Boris’ argument against the Barrington Declaration.

I do wish that the over seventies would stop presuming that they are automatically being classified here as “vulnerable”.

That’s the government’s game.

This refers to people like those suffering from dementia in care homes. The vulnerable are those incapable of looking after themselves.

Perhaps, to modify my argument, it could also refer to persons of any age who are suffering from serious illness.

I don’t think they all do. My in-laws certainly don’t and one of them has type-2 diabetes whilst the other has had a kidney transplant.

Historians, sociologists and political scientists of foresight will be looking at this as one of the greatest ‘teachable moments’ of recent history. It outstrips even post 9/11 excessive security theatre as an example of how entire populations can be manipulated into obedience through the application of hysteria and the development of an infrastructure to support it. Some are drawing parallels with religion in that, for many, adherence to the rituals of social distancing, staying home or avoiding certain categories of businesses, mask wearing etc is immune to any objections as to the scientific justification for any of it amongst most people in most situations. Failure to comply or even the slightest expression of dissent results in the heretic being cast out into the wilderness (at least it would be a holiday somewhere, anywhere!). It certainly appears to be gaining the kind of traction that other state-endorsed fundamentalist religions have and, living as I do in Scotland, I can’t help but think John Knox has been reincarnated in the person of Nicola ‘Grim Govan Gauleiter’ Sturgeon. Others say, well in our societies we can always reject religions so isn’t it more akin to being voluntarily trapped in a cult compound like Jonestown or Waco? ‘Branch Covidians’ was the term wittily applied to those caught up in this ‘OhMaGAAD! We’re all gonna DIE!!!’ state-manufactured hysteria. They certainly appear not to have just drank the Kool Aid but had a high colonic enema with it. Yowzah!

Remember folks, stay scared, stay compliant. Nicola’s and Boris’s careers depend upon it.

Land of hapless tory
no longer free
how can we extol thee
who are born of thee?

Tighter still and tighter
shall our bounds be tied
unable to wander
at home we must stay

A friend split with her partner last year and moved back in with her parents with her 4 kids – a bit of a squeeze! She is an ambulance technician an so is likely to come across the virus, and her father has some quite serious medical conditions.

Yet they all live in the same house and are all just fine – just goes to show that shielding the vulnerable is possible even in difficult circumstances – just involves sensible thinking and precautions – and a desire for it to succeed which the pro-lockdown scientists do not appear to have

… or that the incidence of the virus is so low, that it’s a minor threat that can be easily dealt with.

yes, and I didn’t point out the obvious – the pro-lockdown scientists’ criticism of the Barrington Declaration is defeatist bollocks

Or shows covid is a complete joke and no greater risk than flu which old folk can fight off aswell.

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OK.

Well, what a surprise. We need to save the NHS again. They are about to be overwhelmed by the second wave and winter is coming.
Shame the overall admission data doesn’t support the cries of doom.

Its yet again appealing to the new State Religion. It remains to be seen whether enough people will be fooled by it.

And the NHS is short staffed, partly because successive governments have relied on staff from abroad for years, instead of paying to train our own, and they have gone home, and partly because BLM-influenced unions have insisted on possibly excessive protocols to protect staff. Add to that the requirement to keep ‘infected’ patients separate from the rest and capacity is greatly reduced and a lockdown-created backlog of cancer and other serious illnesses to deal with.
The epidemic is over. The stats are being fiddled, with the use of the useless tests, to Save The NHS.

Do stop banging on about the BLM stuff, which is a side-issue.

I’ll happily join you in criticizing the basis of that movement. But not here.

The DM still ramps up the Fear Factor, Christmas is cancelled, etc etc. MSM determined to push the agenda

If more people become fearful that whatever gives them joy in life (Christmas not my thing, but each to their own) will be taken away in the long-term it can only be a good thing. But if they misattribute the reason for that then we will be no further forward.

“ Professor John Edmunds, a member of Sage, said local measures had failed and more stringent lockdown restrictions were required. “These local restrictions that have been put in place in much of the north of England really haven’t been very effective,” he told BBC’s Newsnight. “We need to take much more stringent measures, not just in the north of England, we need to do it countrywide, and bring the epidemic back under control.”
He added that the Government’s “light touch” measures were “delaying the inevitable”. “We will at some point put very stringent measures in place because we will have to when hospitals start to really fill up,” he said. “Frankly, the better strategy is to put them in place now,” he said. … ”

I don’t think I can bring myself to try and find the interview and watch it, but am curious to know if the interviewer asked him what would happen when the stringent measures were lifted, as they were after the first “full” lockdown, and whether there was any reason to suppose the same thing would not happen this time round. How do they get away with such obvious illogical drivel?

Better strategy – lock him down now, and permanently!

One thing is for sure : unless they pass a sanity test to check their connection with reality and evidence, epidemiologists and public health academics should be the only members of society to be kept in isolation.

Perhaps we should invite the neutral Man from Mars to do an audit of such ‘scientists’ to check how often they have been wrong – as a basic test of competence.

Giving these people control of social policy is like giving Mary Whitehouse control of TV content. It’s an ultra safeist single issue approach that has no connection with how normal people live or how normal people think.

His single issue approach doesn’t even work on its own terms, if you follow his logic – you don’t even need to look at evidence.

Edmunds is a cunt! Period

What is this charlatan a “professor” of Julian?

Perhaps his thesis was “The Spread and Propagation of Bullshit in Gullible Human Populations”

To be honest, how much stringent can you get? Lock everyone in their house and let them starve? Unless the people producing, picking and delivering food are all in hazmat suits?

I’m thinking of starting. government petition saying that all MPs and all members of SAGE should have to work one day a week as a Covid Womble.

Great news from Spain. The High Court has ruled that the Madrid house arrest is unconstitutional and infringes citizens’ fundamental rights. Hope that this sets a precedent in fighting further draconian measures.

Great news!!!

But the response of gov seems dangerous, hints of further actions!

https://twitter.com/europapress/status/1314147159458095105

Rumours of a new “estado alarma” 15th Oct which was used in the first national lockdown but unsure whether gov has majority for this measure

Not sure if they have. Although I have no faith in any of the opposition parties, this decision has placed another obstacle in their way The last one during the summer just squeaked through. The government are also having problems on other fronts. Deputy prime Minister Pablo Iglesias of the far left Podemos party is facing charges on 3 different counts in the Supreme Court. The whole thing hinges on the theft of a mobile phone belonging to an ex advisor to Iglesias. He claimed it was stolen by people from the “sewers of the state” to discredit him and the party. It has since been revealed that he had been in possession of the phone’s card and returned it destroyed. Unsurprisingly there have been calls, either for his resignation, or his removal by the Prime Minister. There’s also a vote of no confidence in the government in the offing. So, interesting times ahead.

They have the majority. The Madrid government is run by the opposition party and they’ve requested the lockdown. So it’s a done deal.

The Madrid local gov made a mini lockdown of some districts.The central gov did this for the whole city.This has now been found to be illegal.The only option is the emergency power law “estado alerta which the gov used for the whole country in March.But to do that again, now for Madrid only, requires majority in the Cortes which they have problems with as separatist parties might not agree this time.This is pure politics now.And today reduction of cases,hospitalizations and ICU use!

Not really good news.

The central government has offered to pass a state of emergency law for Madrid which will pass. The Madrid government, which has tried to impose the lockdown, is run by the main opposition party. Between the government and the main opposition they have the super-majority required to pass the state of alarm law.

In fact, it will only serve to continue to project to the population the awesome power of the state.

Worth a watch if you haven’t seen it – Kary Mullis, PCR inventor discussing their use for viral diagnosis – the main bit is at around 48:35.

https://youtu.be/WF37L_z0vwM?t=2911

A fascinating clip, that puts the tin lid on the false interpretation of PCR results that has now taken over the role of policy determination.

… and known for over 20 years.

And just emphasize – this is a MUST WATCH – straight from the horse’s mouth if anybody witters on about ‘cases’ derived from such tests.

Some important quotes from the video:

I don’t think you can misuse PCR. [It is] the results; the interpretation of it. If they can find this virus in you at all – and with PCR, if you do it well, you can find almost anything in anybody.

It starts making you believe in the sort of Buddhist notion that everything is contained in everything else. If you can amplify one single molecule up to something you can really measure, which PCR can do, then there is just very few molecules that you don’t have at least one single one of in your body

That could be thought of as a misuse: to claim that it [a PCR test] is meaningful. It tells you something about nature and what is there. To test for that one thing and say it has a special meaning is, I think, the problem. The measurement for it is not exact; it is not as good as the measurement for apples. The tests are based on things that are invisible and the results are inferred in a sense. It allows you to take a miniscule amount of anything and make it measureable and then talk about it.

PCR is just a process that allows you to make a whole lot of something out of something. It doesn’t tell you that you are sick, or that the thing that you ended up with was going to hurt you or anything like that.

I’ve watched the video before (originally relating to AIDS/HIV) and I think he’s being a little semantic on the misuse point. I understand what he’s saying, but the PCR test is being employed to achieve something it is not fit for.

Although that’s me being pedantic, it’s definitely worth a watch. The AIDS/HIV stuff is also fascinating as Faucci casts a long shadow over that, too.

Can you send to Toby to finally pick up these KM videos in the daily updates? I have sent them before but no response.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8818945/Two-thirds-public-Scottish-style-circuit-breaker-lockdown.html What can you say?

Even if those polls are correct, public opinion is now useless on this issue. People are basing their opinions on misleading information they have been given by the government.

It’s time for the grown ups to return to the room, but I don’t know where they’ve gone.

Obviously we’re thinking along the same lines, LL. We know who the grownups are but the stroppy teenagers have barricaded themselves in and will not give up the power that they lack the maturity or insight to wield responsibly.

Very true! It’s a sad state of affairs. The teenagers will eventually snap out of their strop when they run out of pocket money.

No trust in polls but I do think much or the population has been happily infantilised over the years. They are determined to believe that the Govt and their sinister sidekicks are the only grownups in the room and have no wish to take responsibility for themselves or strain their under-used brains. It is desperate

Fine – let the 2/3rds lockdown through choice and the rest of us can crack on – certainly make the roads less busy

It depends on how the questions have been asked. Was there any alternative given? If not then the question is effectively asking people if they would support an action vs doing nothing.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUKKBN26T1M6

One further point: if herd immunity isn’t achievable because antibodies fade, leaving those who have them vulnerable over time, then that also rules out an effective vaccine.

Correct.
Snd Tegnell stated that in March already.
It’s my only criticism about Gupta and the GBD, I am more in the camp of Gatti&Montari and RKjrs CHD here: herd immunity is a theoretical concept without any basis in real medical evidence.
It’s probably been invented by computer modelers, aka epidimiologists, on behalf of the vaccine industry, as only it creates the case for vaccinating people at no/low risk, against sny pathogen or disease.
Sweden is actually a good example for it being bogus: there is no significant rise in cases in lowly infected Skane, nor in highly infected Stockholm currently.

That might be why Tegnell alwsys drnied thst he was pursuing it: hr knows it diedn’z exist.

No – it’s real enough, whatever the precise mechanism.

Not strictly correct.There has been an increase of cases in Sweden especially Stockholm and a slight increase in hospitalization and ICU use. Sweden has SD and might not yet reached herd immunity.The problem is less than in Europe and mainly in sportsteam,University students and younger.

Has to be herd immunity or virulence reduction or some combination of both.
There is no other explanation for the peak of deaths at just 8 weeks in (before masks and lockdowns) seen all over Europe.

And those three sections of society are not a problem when it comes to SARS-COV-2.

“ herd immunity is a theoretical concept without any basis in real medical evidence.It’s probably been invented by computer modelers, aka epidimiologists, on behalf of the vaccine industry, as only it creates the case for vaccinating people at no/low risk, against sny pathogen or disease .”

No, herd immunity is a concept based on sound empirical observations that goes back to early C20th studies of infectious diseases, and it isn’t really open to question – it’s just an inherent feature of how diseases and disease responses work.

It works differently with vaccines, you need a higher prevalence of vaccination to achieve it than you do of naturally spreading disease because the latter inherently targets the ones more likely to spread it

I think there is some mixing up of the book definition of Herd Immunity whereby a virus is effectively eradicated and the herd immunity threshold whereby a combination of NPI and immunity is enough to bring the spread of a virus under control.

Any immunity is useful. To deny immunity is to remove one of the most useful tools available to us in controlling this virus.

Not sure what you mean by “book definition,”, but the term was coined precisely to describe the phenomenon in natural disease spread in animals, long before it was used in the context of vaccination.

There are some arguing that there is only one definition of herd immunity and that is the end point whereby a virus is effectively eradicated.

Thus they argue that it is unachievable because it’s never been done before naturally and for some reason disregard immunity altogether.

However it’s not a binary choice as they like to make out.

They are just wrong. That is not what herd immunity means.

It might be a new meaning derived from when the original term was co-opted into vaccination campaigns, but it’s not the original meaning, and therefore not the only one.

There are plenty of so called “experts” who regularly come out with the argument that it’s never been achieved for any other virus. Which means they believe there is only one definition.

Me pointing this out does not mean that I believe it.

Any immunity is useful.

Now there’s an understatement.

You can’t deny immunity.

Unless your immune system is in some way compromised then you either are, or you are capable of becoming, immune from a variety of pathogens.

“Herd immunity” is not a strategy, it is the natural consequence of the presence of functioning immune responses in animal and plant species.

If you have no immune system you are dead. It is that simple.

There is no effective herd immunity to the other four endemic coronaviruses. The typical period between repeat infections is about two years. Much shorter in young children. We are not even a halfway through an infectious cycle. Cornoavirus loss of immunity is due to waning antibodies. Influenza loss of immunity is due to antigenic shift. Any vaccine, most likely against spike protein is likely to be an annual event as per flu, nut for different reasons.

Hurrah! My copy of ‘Corona False Alarm? Facts and Figures by Dr Karina Reiss and Dr Sucharit Bhakdi ‘ has just arrived.
Will read it avidly, then pass it on to someone influential in our community – Doctors, Priest, Councillors, or our useless MP.

Received mine today too – took a little longer to arrive as avoided Amazon, but looking forward to getting stuck into it. It’ll also be passed on once digested.

This is an interesting quote from “racial hygiene”.Many are not aware how often the nazis used the Public Health law both for infectious diseases and also racial segregation.Easy to understand the concerns in the conflict in New York between the orthodox jews and the Mayor of New York

https://twitter.com/ElonBachman/status/1314000742387253249/photo/1

It’s interesting that Jews were often characterized as ‘a virus’.

Italy was indeed worth a non-dystopian trip.
Until yesterday, when they introduced mandatory muzzling outside.
Now, there’s only Sweden, Ticino and the German-speaking Swiss cantons ex Bern and ex Zuerich city left for such trips, although Switzerland is on the UK’s q-list.
Though those cantons are not on Germany’s, nor is Germany on the UK’s.
Got it…?!

As someone posted here last week, Swiss lockdowns are devolved to the Cantons, some had strict, some relaxed. Same results. Says it all really.

Are there any links to articles covering the new Imperial College research? I saw in the Telegraph live feed that new non-Ferguson research says that social interaction of young people actually reduces deaths (as we suspected). Would like to read/share but I’ve only seen it in the Telegraph so far. If this is the case, let’s unlock the students from their expensive campus prisons!

Is this it?

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m3588

Everyone sceptical about the safety or effeciency of the rushed vaccines, should vote for DJT or hope that he gets reelected!
His endorsement of Regeneron and simultaneous smashing of the case for vaccines yesterday might be biased, but it’s much more correct and responsible and in all the peoples interest, than what the rest of the world’s leaders and ‘scientists’ peddles.

The RGN antibody dose is 2g per person. Moderna’s vaccine dose likely to be about 0.0001g per person – so you need to make a LOT more antibody to protect people than you do a vaccine. That’s because the vaccine bioreactor is a human immune system. There isn’t sufficient bioreactor capacity worldwide to make the antibodies, and woe to those taking other antibody therapies (like Humira for arthritis), because it’s a zero sum game. For MASS protection, vaccines (if they work) are likely to be the only game in town.

What kind of cretin is Boris Johnson? He is just bluster isn’t he? An empty man.

well he’s certainly empty

To be empty you’ve first got to be full—–Johnson has never had any content, his entire political career has been a vacuous extension of his appearance on ‘Have I got news for you’.

He obviously has no soul.

Jennifer Arcuri said he last texted her in December 2018 saying I need you, I miss you or something like that. Wasn’t he with Carrie then?

Yep and just another Carrie-on since then.

Infamy, infamy …

‘What kind of cretin is Boris Johnson?’ He is Primus inter pares!

As someone here referred to him, de Piffle – les mots justes.

Tanzania.. the president there was sceptical about the scamdemic and enlisted the army to test the ruse.. so they sent (amongst other things) swabs from a goat, a sheep, motor oil, and a paw paw fruit.. most came back positive.

President Magufuli has long been a friend and ally of us Skeptiks.

I’ve posted it below already, but the PCR inventor explains here why these tests come back positive.

https://youtu.be/WF37L_z0vwM

Yesterday’s SAGE meeting

Brilliant!!

Well that’s it then. The war is won. Commemorative coins on sale here:

https://www.whitehousegiftshop.com/product-p/trump-defeats-covid.htm

Haha. He is a master troll, I love it.

I’m going to order one and wear it with pride alongside my ‘Covid–1984—not brainwashed’ badge

The best badge ever!

I still have a fair few if anybody is interested? They will be sent out recorded with the appropriate postage on the package this time!
two-six@twang.co.uk if your interested.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-2263580/Video-Trump-hurdles-COVID-new-parody-campaign-video.html

Going to echo Sarrigan’s (?) – formerly Offlands’, comment yesterday about car mechanics. Young lad just came round to look at my flat tyre: no swerving, no mask, just normal.

To Helen and Jay Berger, I believe you both speak German, have you heard of the RPP Institute channel on YT/ Raphael Bonelli?
Very good video from Clemens Arvay on there today, mainly taking headlines apart.

Very thoughtful video here from Dave Cullen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gkUJk4dvaM

Apologies if it’s a repost.

The problem with Dave Cullen is he is a god freak. If we all just got down on our knees and accepted god into out lives, everything would be fine.

This makes him as bad as Covid zealots.

The unstated beliefs in his videos are that women are second class citizens.

I’ve followed Dave Cullen for years but fail to recognize your description of him as a God freak or misogynist.

I’ve always found people’s intelligence and reasoning powers to be entirely uncorrelated to any belief in God.

He did go through a bit of a phase on the God thing. I’ll admit I rolled my eyes extensively.

However, it’s demonstrable that we are wired for faith, and it ought by now to be abundantly clear that, in the absence of religion, that faith instinct will tend to glom onto something else. It’ll always be something crazy and irrational. You could think of religion of having the necessary social purpose of channeling humanity’s irrational side.

In its absence we have everything from nihilism to global warming, NHS worship, obsessive fandom, the rehabilitation of communism etc. and of course the current wave of ‘Branch Covidians’.

As for him regarding women as second class citizens, is that what we’re now calling it when someone points out the observable differences between men and women, which the wokeys are determined to swear are a ‘social construct’?

Can’t say I’ve ever picked up on that. Having said that I don’t agree that believing in God makes you a freak or a zealot either (and I’m not religious). Although Dave Cullen is a bit more on the conspiracy side than I am his videos are beautifully written, the epitome of clarity and summarise eloquently everything that has become of us.

He made a video coming out as a Christian. It’s unbelievable that in this day and age people can believe such pish.

Its amazing how quickly they have dismantled and changed out of all recognition the country Johnson told us was ‘A Fantastic’ country and why all of the migrants are trying to get here.

All the regulations appear to have been specifically designed to separate us from each other in every conceivable way. Isolated, faceless, distant, barriered, virtual.

Do this for long enough and the fabric of society has to collapse. It is inevitable.

Jesus talkRadio’s hosts are dopey… especially Ian Collins.

Except for Mike Graham (sceptic), Julia Hartley-Brewer (sceptic), Mark Dolan (partly sceptic) … in fact even Ian Collins has lockdown sceptic views on.

I think you’ll find that Talk Radio is one of the better media channels out there.

Apparently liberal Netherlands are caving in. I did not watch the full report on Bittel TV (YT/telegram), as too depressing.
There was a demonstration in front of parliament as they are deciding over emergency measures (they have had a big increase in + tests) and police arrested a lot of the leaders of several opposition groups.
As I said, do not know the details very well, as it was too depressing. Sorry.

And yet the optimists claim things are turning!

Well, the sensible optimists recognise that governments are doubling down ‘harder’, but that public opinion has shifted to anti-bollocks.

Opinion may have shifted, but actions have not shifted in that direction as the ever-increasing preponderance of muzzles shows.

Don’t bother with what people say, watch what they do.

I understand optimism as a beneficial psychological strategy, but it is delusional nevertheless.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54463511

Disgusting presentation of “facts” by the BBC (no surprise). I note they don’t comment on the situation since August.

You could spin that the other way and say old people who would have normally been killed by flu have died with covid too.

What are the current flu and pneumonia figures in comparison to Covid? I’d imagine all respiratory infections were increasing as they tend to do in autumn.

Virtually non-existent now in the RSGP & RCS network:

https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrIjoiZTU5ZDE5MGYtMzUzMy00ZjRmLTg4MGEtMTM3ZGJiZDNhODFkIiwidCI6IjZiOTAyNjkzLTEwNzQtNDBhYS05ZTIxLWQ4OTQ0NmEyZWJiNSIsImMiOjh9

Dropped away right at the start of Covid.

Interesting. Presumably that September “spike” of reported upper respiratory tract infections (colds?) must have been due to the schools reopening.

Considerably higher than covid19.

Bang on the seasonal average

It seems obvious to me that flu and other deaths will be attributed to covid. They’ll even try it on with cancer deaths.

They haven’t been in August and September. They may have been initially.

Not everyone in the medical profession is bent, chaos!

The basic problem is that the contribution of ‘Covid’ to mortality is unknown. All figures are guesswork – starting with the revision of death registration through to the current use of RNA fragments being used to define the presence of an illness.

From a scientific point of view, given the overweening significance attributed to this virus, its a total shambles. But, of course, this isn’t a health issue ultimately – it’s a control issue. So who gives a f.?

One of the indicative bits of evidence that Covid is overblown is the way in which the tracks of other infections and illnesses have varied in strange ways – suggesting that causation is loaded into the ‘Covid’ basket to a surreal degree as a means of justifying the panicdemic.

Thanks, everyone who replied.

A little bit of humour amidst the darkness:

https://twitter.com/JaneyGodley/status/1313857961496924164

Love it! MW

So Spain now going all out to “de-carbonize” their economy post-Covid. Sounds familiar ! build-back-better ! shout the dead eyed reptiles leading us back to the middle ages.

Another tripartite slogan for the zombies to regurgitate ad nauseam.

Give it a few years and this is the only way they will be to communicate with each other. In puerile, monosyllabic cult chants like this. They will probably have to clap with each word just to remind them to use their vocal cords. Let them degrade themselves into sub-human gimps. They do not deserve redemption.

have you watched idiocracy?

Not yet, it has been highly recommended.

It is excellent, but disturbingly close to reality.

Open your curtains. There it is!

‘Brought to you by Carl’s Junior’

I remember a Ted talk with Bill Gates where he introduced a formula that could be manipulated to lower carbon emissions as part of the man-made climate change ruse. Obviously that formula contained the variable for number of people and another for resources consumed per person.. but frighteningly just reducing the population lessens carbon emissions and resources consumed. After all, we breathe out CO2. It reminds me of a Twilight Zone type story I remember watching set in a dystopian future – the person has their air cut off when they don’t pay ‘the man ‘for air.

They won’t have an economy without mass tourism

Ya know, I think I’m going to dig out my old VHS tapes of V and watch that again. Remember it?

I don’t know if it will have aged well, but I have a feeling it will resonate.

Forces TV, Freeview channel 96, shows it now and again. They have trailers for it at the moment (they show it in full & then the series afterwards) but I don’t know when it starts.

I particularly like early on where the visitors expose a claimed worldwide conspiracy of scientists. I never imagined there really would be a worldwide conspiracy of (some) scientists.

Spain with its economy already on its knees for years has now committed economic suicide – back to the Stone Age!!!!

Answer bout the Insurance petition:

Sorry, we can’t accept your petition – “Insurance firms to be liable if their conditions are adhered to by a business.”

It’s about something that the UK Government or Parliament is not responsible for.

We can’t accept your petition because the UK Government and Parliament aren’t responsible for the issue you raise. It is a decision for people taking out insurance policies whether or not they want to agree to the contractual terms and conditions, including the detail of the policy. ”

Basically they say if you don;t like what terms the insurance are trying to force on you then refuse them and fight the insurance company.

AidanR and BeBopRockSteady – thanks for your comments on my poster, do you have any suggestions for what I could use in terms of rhetoric? Are any of the facts I’ve featured impactful enough, do you reckon?

Didn’t see your poster but here’s one I did a couple of weeks ago. PDF print ready

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OHHkWPL7ga3f3CWmPJhtDvAE1EElHUH-/view?usp=sharing

That’s very good, thank you – how did you create the fancy graphics? Did you use a specific program? (Very much a novice at this!)

Apparently it’s not something I have a talent for, given the reception my previous attempts at catchy rhetoric have had

No worries, I have something in mind anyway

Forget facts and figures. This is war against the few. Fact and figures don’t win wars.

Correct and unfortunately the few have assiduously engaged the many useful idiots.

WOW! A mention in the roundup! Thanks Tobes and gang!

Recording the next episode this weekend and will be out next week.

In the meantime, check out our 1984 SPECIAL!

https://therealnormalpodcast.buzzsprout.com/

Prince Charles and Prince William seem to be pushing the great reset.. it seems the Queen spared us from the spider memo manipulation for as long as she could.

Ifr you’re aged 50 or so in this new abnormal economic carnage.. even if educated to degree standard or higher.. you don’t stand much of a chance do you?

Or, like my neighbour’s son, 23, graduated from Oxford last year… no job, had to return home to parents. Now doing MA (more debt!) just for something to do

Perhaps not, but at least we have had something of a life to look back on.

Degrees don’t matter at all now they’ve been devalued to a level that would shame a cornflake packet, and yes this is particularly galling for those of us who have a proper one

Spot on NorthumbrianNomad.

DavidC

As each day passes, the rules become more and more ridiculous. OH and I have just been for lunch at the local cafe, which we try to support each week.

We counted thirteen customers plus two toddlers in a room that is about the size of our lounge/dining room yet the government thinks it is dangerous for more than six people to be inside our house.

See no evil, Speak no evil, Hear no evil.. hands, face, space… they are limiting gatherings.. rather old fashioned control given that we are here discussion their shenanigans online. The goal os to wear us down (more likely to willingly take a vaccine and opt in to digital ID) and keep us apart (that’s how ideas and protests and revolutions are formed). Also, perhaps the new abnormal has no entertainment. The goal being to repurpose it all for flats.

https://www.songfacts.com/lyrics/paul-mccartney-wings/band-on-the-run

If I ever get out of here, from the song. Says it all.

I had that album as a kid

In the Round-Up : “ “ NHS coronavirus test labs could run out of supplies within days ”

First bit of good news today.

Tho’ I guess they can miss out the middle man and simply make up the numbers.

This brings up the intersting philosphical question. Without any testing, will we notice any difference?

I don’t know for sure but I would place a small wager on China having stopped testing. I can think of no other explanation for their stats. Funny, they are not often mentioned by the lockdown zealots. Almost as if they know they are fiddling the figures. Otherwise wouldn’t China be the poster child for strict lockdowns?

From their point of view, yes. From my point of view, I wouldn’t trust anything from the Chinese state, good, bad or indifferent.That said, I don’t trust anything from the British state, either.

If we hadn’t been told about this virus by the media we would never have heard of it.

Probably not. We’d have likely thought we had a nasty late flu season.

Result – no testing, no casedemic.

They’ll get new supplies in a week, test 10000000 people and declare that the epidemic is doubling every 10 seconds.

I have just seen in the Mail that 2/3 of people support a 2 week “circuit breaker” lockdown.
Even if this is true, my question is, what is to stop that 2/3 doing just that and let the other 1/3 go about their business?
Nobody is forcing the bedwetting clowns out of their houses into the full force of the deadly Rona
Stay at home, under your beds, with your nappies on your faces and leave the rest of us alone

Two thirds of people support kicking the can down the road.

The circuit breaker is the latest pet phrase to be peddled. It means, of course, “society breaker” and it won’t be lifted after two weeks because it won’t “work”. It will be extended into another indefinite lockdown with irreparable consequences

bit like that circuit breaker in March-initially 3 weeks turned into 3 months.
Why not wait till the first weeks of January. There’s always a natural circuit breaker when we are all skint after Christmas

I think one should be vary careful about claims like that regarding support for measures. I strongly doubt the samples are properly representative or that the questions have been phrased in a properly neutral way.

Consider these questions:

1) Do you support a circuit breaker?
2) After the circuit breaker, when things open up again, what do you think will happen and why?
3) If things get bad again, would you support another circuit breaker?

etc

If you ask different questions I think you’ll get different answers

That’s not how they ask.
1.Are you worried about Covid – yes
2.Does the rise in cases in the country concern you? Yes
3.Do you think the Government could do more to stop the spread? Yes
4.Would you support a 2 week circuit breaker lockdown just to slow the spread and save lives ?

So not leading questions at all then

See Yes Minister for how surveys can be manipulated
From the days when BBC was respected

The context is that the circuit breaker is for two weeks. If it really was only for 2 weeks, then I could see why it would be supported.

But it wont be for 2 weeks. That’s the bit People still don’t get.

The first lockdown teaches us several lessons:

• End goal is not specified
• Measurements of efficacy are not specified
• Exit strategy is not specified

When a policy is created that doesn’t specify what it’s stated goal is, how it will be measured and how it will be rescinded, then we have a terrible policy. Has anyone learned that lesson? It’s not like we haven’t been there before: Iraq, terrorism, etc.

But let’s do it again. It might work this time.

Anything that’s a ‘war on’ some nebulous concept. Drugs, obesity, speeding.

You only need to look at the northern lockdowns to see this. More than 2 months now, cases still rising and no end in sight. Stricter restrictions now planned.

Remember, ‘three weeks’ means ‘seven months and counting…’

I am old and I am sick. However, I have lived through just as bad flu outbreaks that went unreported and I am certainly not going to be herded into a death home to be culled just because I am surplus to requirements. The old were culled in the spring after being given blanket DNR’s and now medical neglect will cull the sick. We don’t want further ‘protection’ – we want to live what’s left of our lives along with our families. We want the medical treatment we paid for over our working lives. We are not allowed euthansia but they can cull us and the country applauds. As for ‘protecting the NHS’ – they are supposed to protect us! I worked for the NHS for many years and know exactly how much theft (almost considered a perk of the job), waste, corruption etc there is and you could double the funding and most would leave via the back door. If the public support further measures it’s only because they believe the appalling lies being dished out to them.

So sad. I feel exactly.like you even though don’t feel old. What has happened is truly appalling. X

Just back from the shops and stopped in at a small but well established local family run ice cream business up on the Moray coast, they sell to restaurants, cafes and higher end bars. They also do cash sales to the public – One of the girls in the office porta-cabin next to the unit nips into the factory and gets your order. It’s the best of gear.
They’ve been closed off and on recently. Today I went in, the van was parked up and in the porta-cabin there was an older guy, maybe late 60’s, I think he’s the owner. The usual 2 girls weren’t there.

He went through and got my order then I got talking to him and although he didn’t actually say it, and I could see his anger, it sounds like they’re against the wall. Probably fucked by xmas.

ON A LIGHTER NOTE – COVIDIOT OF THE WEEK?

On the way out of tesco this morning I stopped for fuel. I’ve done the pay at pump bit, and just started filling when a lad pulls up on the other side of the pump from me, already pre masked in his car.  In-car wearers and outdoor wearers are the true enemy in my opinion.
So he does his pay at pump bit (Confirmed ‘in car wearer’ at this point as he’s likely not going inside) and starts to fill his car with unleaded. Nothing unusual about that thus far, other than he’s wearing a face nappy outdoors on a fine October morning.

I was just finishing up when I realised that his car was still running while he was filling. Now, I don’t recall having seen anyone ever doing that in the UK. I’ve worked in the Former Soviet Union years ago where it was commonplace to be sat in the back of an old Lada Taxi while the caby was out filling up with his engine running, the heady smell of leaded 4 star filling the rear of the car and the dawning that this is how it all ends for you….

In reality, my fellow filler’s misdemeanour would likely not result in the garage forecourt turning into a fiery ball of death but it could have resulted in a fairly bad burn, localised singeing, melted nappy and an immediate change of underwear if the vapour from the filling nozzle had ignited due to static electricity which has a potential to be generated whilst the car is running (The primary reason the blue mandatory signage telling you to switch off your engine is plastered all over every forecourt – you make a better conductor than 4 rubber tyres).

So what’s my point or my issue other than his nappy? It’s this. Why would he be happy to accept mandatory rules and blue signs telling him to adopt a specific behaviour (wear a face nappy) – with no evidence of a localised real or perceived hazard (or science) to back it up, yet completely disregard the facilities mandatory blue signs telling him to adopt another specific behaviour, backed up with yellow signs giving clear indication of an real onsite hazard and red prohibitory signage giving clear warning of a potential danger as a consequence of his actions…?

Anyway all’s well that ends well as they say. One of the cashiers was going over to the main store noticed and she gave him a real bollocking making him look an even bigger tit.

I was filling my car up in the mid-1980s once and I noticed the chap using the next pump along had a cigarette hanging out of his mouth.I just put a fiver’s worth in instead of a tenner and left him to it !.

Aah those halcyon days when a fiver got you at least half way where you were going!
Sure this guy would be the same special type, just couldn’t decide between a fag or a mask while he was filling up…..

everyone in the uae fills up (or rather has it filled for them) with the engine running. at least when I was there.

French mechanic who fixed my hire car then went on to fill up his motor with a gallouise practically ashing into the tank.

Yep, worked in the UAE myself for a brief period and that’s maybe the reason they are so cavalier is that someone else is doing it for them… That and if anything goes wrong they’re off to a better place!

The economy is at risk of stalling, according to the BoE. Understatement of the century, I should say, unless they mean stall like an aircraft, in other words fall out of the sky.
But the economy doesn’t matter, of course. All that matters is whacking the moles, walloping the virus, eliminating all risk to life. And if everyone loses their jobs that is fine – the government will pay! Or the rich! It would be callous and heartless to priortise anything other than saving the life of one innocent granny. Even if the granny concerned is screaming from her rooftop “get back to normal and stop using me as an excuse you utterly useless wimps!”

Very weak, euphemistic language. Just treat us like adults and tell us how bad it really is….oh, I forgot. There are no adults left.

We must go back into lockdown because hands face space masks tests vaccine science.

Very recent paper in the BMJ which, if am reading, it correctly says that general social distancing which was projected to reduce the number of cases did in fact increase the total number of deaths

and seems to conclude with what has been obvious for months that you cannot do anything to change the eventual outcome

Nevertheless, in all mitigation scenarios, epidemics modelled using CovidSim eventually finish with widespread infection and immunity, and the final death toll depends primarily on the age distribution of those infected and not the total number.

Perhaps someone on a higher scientific paygrade could comment

https://www.bmj.com/content/bmj/371/bmj.m3588.full.pdf

It’s based on Neil Ferguson’s model – does one need to say more!? Put in the same initial parameters and get a different result each time!

Sorry, I’m being too cynical.

DavidC

This deserves more exposure in my view.

Is the DM starting to wobble?, just a teeny bit?
Government support that is?

You mean the circuit breaker poll? The tenor of its lead piece about the anger of the north suggests not

Interesting!

I like this one in the comments:
SAGE = Support All Gates’ Edicts.

judging by the comments there’s quite a lot of people who now understand the concept of a false positive.

DM has been one of the best of the mainstream news media outlets throughout. Even early on it published some sceptical stuff when others were 100% propaganda bullshit, and recently they’ve been full of sceptical stuff, and have absolutely savaged the government quite regularly. But they have also come out with some strangely gratuitous pro-panic pieces as well. I’m not sure what the origin of this seeming dual personality is. Might be disagreements among the management/editorial personnel, or a need to keep government ad money flowing, or something else I’m not aware of.

Anyway for the past few years up to March, I’d probably looked at the DM (online) a handful of times in total. Since March and especially recently, it has become my most frequently visited msm site. Partly that’s because other reasonably sceptical sites are pay-walled, but not entirely.

It is a strange paper, and certainly has some strange readers if the comments are anything to go by. I have always likened going on The DM on line to passing the scene of a car accident, you really don’t want to look but can’t help yourself. I always feel slightly grubby after reading it and feel like I should go to confession even though I’m a lapsed catholic!.

It seems to flip between complete bed wetting to being sceptical,and the same can be said for the commenters.

SAGE expert says virus is ‘holding a gun to Britain’s head’
How do they get away with printing such obvious bollox?!

The government’s SAGE group was meeting this afternoon, with one member, Professor John Edmunds, saying beforehand that a short sharp shock was needed to ‘stop the epidemic from getting out of control in the next few weeks or months and overwhelming the health service’.

Wasn’t “short sharp shock” a slogan about tackling criminals some years ago? The language is so calculated!

The article has a bewildering plethora of graphs which clearly provide contradictory information.

The justification is yet again to protect the NHS which apparently will sink like a stone in 10 days’ time, according to the Edmonds.

But Labour leader Keir Starmer launched a furious attack on Mr Johnson in the Commons, saying 19 out of 20 areas subjected to local curbs over the past two months have actually seen infections rise. He insisted that the measures were ‘not working’, and singled out the controversial 10pm curfew on pubs saying the government had failed to provide any ‘scientific basis’.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8818613/Northerners-rage-dictator-Boris-Johnson-using-petri-dish-tough-curbs.html

Masks

If I live to see all the other restrictions lifted, I think masks will be the last to go.

Indeed masks may never go.

I think the case against them is harder to make than the case against other restrictions. Masks don’t stop you doing anything, at least not physically. The removal of freedom is much less stark than forbidding people to meet. They don’t ruin the economy in quite the same obvious way as closing things.

They are unpleasant, and of course we know they are not really any use, but it’s very easy to say “it’s just a mask it’s just while you’re in the shop”.

The bottom line is that I am sure a lot of people really don’t like wearing them and would prefer not to, but arguing a strong case for the removal of compulsion seems much harder to me, because the arguments are more abstract and philosophical (dehumanising), or seem trifling (my glasses steam up).

Don’t get me wrong, I think they are evil, but I don’t hold out much hope for them to be removed.

Anyone feel like cheering me up by explaining how they’ll be gone some time next year?

If the brainless morons want to wear em, let them do so, just leave the rest of us alone.

Not trifling.Breathing stale air all day is very unhealthy.

My guess is never. I’m already set up for total exclusion from society as a result. When the vaccine rollout starts, we will have bigger problems to deal with. But I agree that they are evil, and have been critical in guiding the descent of our society into hell.

Same, I am a proper outsider now. Never been so separated from the world. Incredible.

Agreed. I was hoping the effect on christmas shopping footfall might do it. Not so sure now. Retailers don’t seem to realise the power they have to get this changed – if they wanted to.

Christmas shopping is done for anyway this year with all the uncertainty over local/second lockdowns, rule of six and bans on household mixing and so on, not to mention people on a budget due to all the mass job redundancies.

I wish I could, but sadly I 100% agree with your analysis.

Just hope for a massive outbreak of mask mouth, with peoples teeth and gums rotting due to unnatural build up of bacteria and fungal spores, which can’t be exhaled as normal due to the fabric barrier. And dentists are mostly closed!

Would have sympathy for anyone who is compelled to wear the horrible things all day, but not the badge of honour brigade.

Would certainly turn the tide against them, and might lead to a panicked government reversal.

I just went to a couple of local shops without a mask. I’m exempt anyway. In the first, the checkout person served the masked customer in front of me with her mask on, then took it off to serve me.

In the second shop, two young guys were serving, again one of them served a masked person with his on, the guy who served me kept his under his chin and gave me a massive smile.

As you say, a big case of mask mouth, bigged up even more by the media, NHS dentists backlogged.
Can’t do essential treatment for avoidable cases like this.
Self inflicted due to masks- shouldn’t get treatment, paid for by taxpayer, etc etc.

Right campaign and use project fears tactics against them and mask wearing becomes unacceptable in a fortnight.

But if it saves one life!

Dental problems are already escalating. There will an increase (if dentists ever reopen) of extractions since the NHS already refuses treatments like root canals, bridges etc and private dentistry costs the earth. I went privately recently (dreadful experience like a sci fi film) and it cost over £300 for a filling. Kids teeth will be pulled indiscriminately. Maybe then people might think again if something actually affects them. Dentists also diagnose oral cancers which will increase along with all the undiagnosed (let alone, treated) cancers. In fact, the country will see a massive rise in all illnesses except Covid-19 – the only disease where the treatment kills more than the disease. Not one single trial recommends masks for the public and the WHO said this in March but the Govt leant on them to change their advice. Why? Possibly as a visible sign of compliance. I imagine some of these compliant lunatics would wear a kiss me quick hat and a red nose if advised to do so. The Govt also admitted they were suing the public to police masks via finger pointing and shaming. It wasn’t hard to turn the willing public into the Stasi. I never thought I’d see the day when the police could enter your home to count your visitors or your neighbours could ‘shop’ you.

I suspect you are right, but I hope against hope that you’re not. My money is on face nappies being compulsory well into next year, perhaps even this time next year. Today Poland mandated them for everyone outside, everywhere. Sorry I can’t cheer you up. I feel exactly the same.

If anyone asks me why I’m not wearing one I say I’m not going to collaborate with crimes against humanity. That shuts them up.

Great response!

I agree muzzles will be the last humiliation to be removed. They’re a visible sign of compliance and essential to keep people believing there’s a risk. It’s why they’ve been made compulsory this late in the scamdemic. When they lose on masks they lose on everything.

Nothing less than a few very high profile cases of serious adverse health effects will do it. Unfortunately some of the most serious take months if not years to emerge e.g. pulmonary fibrosis.

Mask-related deaths of three German kids OUGHT to have been sufficient …..

Once the boys in blue realise it negates their facial recognition plans, masks will be gone!!

The only way to get rid of them is if everyone on this site explains the exemptions to others ,makes and puts up anti mask posters ,gives out leaflets against them . They will go as soon as we get more people on our side than the ones who wan’t to wear them and we force the government to retreat . Sorry i can’t cheer you up, it’s going to be a long hard struggle but in the end i’m certain we will win .

Did anyone else notice Nicola Sturgeon’s claim that the measures put in place “12 days ago” to prevent us visiting each other in our homes hasn’t had any measured impact?

Shock/horror.

But the truth is that Glasgow and other districts we have had those measures since 1 September…not less than 2 weeks ago. And what are some of the areas with the highest “cases”? That’s right, Glasgow.

“Oh, but it is because people are not complying with the rules”

You simply cannot argue with these people. Measures that are ruining peoples lives, mental health, freedoms, livelihoods are not having any effect and we all know why.

Friend who decided it was too risky to enter my home for our usual weekly post walk coffee break, has now gone on holiday with her family south of the border.

Erm….but the Holyrood Dominatrix has just banned us; to use PC parlance, we’ve been cancelled.

We Must Listen To Nicola And Stop The Spread, while stopping everything else in the process.

More leaches! And burn the heretic!

Thanks to everyone who responded to my message yesterday. (To remind you, I’m a church minister writing under a pseudonym)

It was just one of those days yesterday when I got a bit overwhelmed. You helped a lot.

I had an email exchange with another minister who said he’s been questioned by members of his congregation because he’s not sufficiently rigorous about face masks. He calls them obsessed and paralysed with fear.

All year I have been preaching “do not fear”. All year I have been pointing people away from this minor disease and to look to Christ. But government propaganda is more persuasive for some people it seems.

Still, we keep moving forward!

A Puritan pseudonym!

If you’re on Facebook, have a look at this group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/798005520961110

Closed group?

Always good to hear from the enlightened. Thanks for trying to dispel the myths, but as you say, the UK gov propaganda machine is a powerful tool. I think sceptics are growing in number and was delighted to encounter a small street stall of sceptics in York city centre yesterday. It was therapeutic to offload my frustrations and emotional baggage to them, as they kindly gave me space to vent. You’re not alone x

Remember the names of all those in your congregation who wore face masks. When the time comes, they must be excommunicated. They are worshipping the state.

Some fall on stony ground!
Glad you’re feeling better.

Not sure what you commented yesterday but just saying hello as a fellow believer. We haven’t been to a service as won’t wear a mask… keep pointing people to Christ, we struggling with the church cowering in fear. I’m encouraged to hear a minister of the gospel!

I go to church maskless as they recognise my exemption. Our vicar is obsessed with masks and social distancing(she is over 70) butt we still have enjoyable services and are open.

Glad it helped and now you realise you are not alone.

if there is a god why is he killing people with a virus? Are these people being punished?

Not sure what variety of minister you are (not that it makes much difference) but closed churches make me so sad. Yes, the church is the people, but the church building always seems to speak to me of the saints who went before.
I’ve been doing a long walk through the Herefordshire/Gloucestershire/Worcestershire countryside, unfortunately as a series of day walks rather than uninterrupted, and I visit the church in each village I pass through. All are closed, with that horrid notice about on the instructions of the government/CoE authorities, apart from the churches that are no longer in active use. There have been 2 so far – the magnificant church of St Mary at Kempley with its Romanesque wall paintings, which is under the control of English Heritage, and a church at Ashleworth, where parts of the walls are of Saxon construction. Both were fully open and were so beautifully normal.
The saints of yesterday would be ashamed of us today.

Keep shining your light!

Chin up ! we are going to win .

Out and about today, some snippets:

• driving past the testing station at bet365 stadium – almost totally empty and certainly no queues of desperate people in sight, all we saw were a few security guards playing on their phones so no idea where the tests are being done.
• chatting in a shop got told by a woman that her friend who is a nurse at the local big hospital keeps telling her that she is coming home bored as they have very few patients in and it’s s struggle to find things to do as not enough jobs for the full staffing levels they have.
• Bensons for beds – speaking to staff on the wearing of masks it’s lucky I was not a HSE Inspector doing a visit as no risk assessment shown to staff, no agreement by staff on the risk assessment findings, no supporting paperwork seen to justify the mask wearing at all times by staff, no mention exemptions apply to staff as well as customers, no briefing on what medical and psychological signs to look for, no description of what “close contact” means and so on. Left them looking on the internet at the laworfiction website and researching the dangers of masks. Explained how a PCR test is done and the false positives so they now turning sceptical especially after I asked how many fit and healthy people under 60 and died (they thought 50000) and were shocked it was only 300.
• Someone I knew has been tested positive as they work in health care and now self-isolating but they have no recognised covid symptoms and they think they have food poisoning or some other tummy bug but boss says get tested anyway due to job blah blah blah. Explained false positives and so on (health care worker not aware of any of this which is scary) so now they are not worried.

Fun morning.

It’s worse than I thought. 50,000 dead under 60.

These fuckheads are living in a different dimension.

My wife told me today that one of our friends thinks 6 million have died across the world.

Two things wrong with that statement:

1. They are not your friend any more.
2. They cannot think.

Other than that, another priceless nugget to show us the level of stupidity and ignorance we are up against.

Is she getting it mixed up with another event?

It was only as I was typing that I realised the connection!

Exactly so. And that level of ignorance shows just how meaningless are the opinion polls showing support for lockdown etc, quite apart from the way the polls are designed to produce the desired answers.

I shouldn’t be surprised that people don’t know the figures and don’t understand the actual probabilities. After all, they’re all buying Lotto tickets every week, fondly hoping for a jackpot that’s less likely than dying from being a left handed person who misused a right handed object on the same day that the pope is found guilty of defecating in the woods

Ridiculous statement about the Pope. I’m not aware of any woods in the Vatican.

The Pope likes to play carpet bowls with the alter boys

There is a Vatican garden, in fact half the Vatican is the garden and it has trees in it, so technically it is possible to the Supreme Pontiff to drop his friends off at the lake. However, since the current Servus Servorum Dei opened the gardens to the public it is much likely that he could do so undetected.

Two separate sentences often used for emphasis, Nobody. NN has combined the two for a giggle.

1) Is the pope a Catholic ?

2) Does a bear shit in the woods ?

I wonder if some of the collaborators will insist on being buried/cremated in their masks?

You can’t be too careful!
(There’s a saying that hasn’t aged well, by the way)

Understatement.

Honestly N N, you see some “sheep” spending about 10 minutes “sanitizing” trollies and baskets: do they think that they are going to live forever??

Total surface sanitising has become a new ritual. I’ve seen people doing it to their cars before getting in.

And yet all they’re doing is compromising their own immune systems by endeavouring to keep everything germ free.

DavidC

I misread that as ‘cats’, but that wouldn’t surprise me either.

Unbelievable.

More worried about flu with a death rate of less than 1% but blasé about cancer which strikes 1 in 2. They won’t be diagnosed, let alone treated. Has anyone noticed people losing weight? The obese are more likely to get it and even more likely to die if they do get it so you would imagine a loss of weight in the population, surely? Nope. Just blind belief in muzzles and vaccines. Nobody will take any responsibility for their own health Their kids are more likely to be struck by lightning than die of Covid-19 but are terrified witless over something that will never happen.

I was pleased to see that when Harry Bellinge, 93 year old D day veteran went to the train naming ceremony yesterday he was mask free;
https://planetradio.co.uk/pirate-fm/local/news/cornish-d-day-veteran-deeply-moved-following-train-naming-ceremony/

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/bbcs-stephen-nolan-defends-confronting-belfast-shoppers-over-face-masks-after-twitter-backlash-39600650.html

BBC bod becomes self appointed mask enforcer.

What next? The Covid Brown Shirts?

The Sturmabteilung for the New Normal.

“The BBC presenter Stephen Nolan’s pay increased by around £65,000 in 2019-20. He earned between £390,000 and £394,999 from the licence fee, compared with around £325,000 in 2018-19.”

He’s getting some nice twitter comments regarding his own obesity

I’ve never earned as much as 65,000 a year let alone having it as increase!

Maybe one’s earning potential is in inverse proportion to one’s IQ?!

DavidC

I must be a genius!

I’m delighted not to be contributing a single penny to this guy’s salary.

Me too

He should focus more on losing some weight and piss off. Disgusting human being.

I’ve never heard of him. WTF is he?

Fulminating Fat Fascist employed by BBC In Northern Ireland

Stephen Nolan:—‘Why aren’t you wearing a mask?’

Mask less shopper:—-‘Why are you a fat, ugly, rude excuse for a human being?’

‘Didn’t your mother ever tell you that it is rude to make personal remarks?’

Nuff said!

Apologies if this has been posted before: Johnson’s speech to the Conservative Conference. A few highlights follow (my emphasis). I haven’t read it all but it is quite incredible. Talk about taking the piss:

‘We have been through too much frustration and hardship just to settle for the status quo ante – to think that life can go on as it was before t he plague ; and it will not. Because history teaches us that events of this magnitude – wars famines, plagues ; events that affect the vast bulk of humanity, as this virus has – they do not just come and go.

They are more often than not the trigger for an acceleration of social and economic change , because we human beings will not simply content ourselves with a repair job.
We see these moments as the time to learn and to improve on the world that went before.
That is why this government will build back better.

Mother nature has savaged us with Covid , but with the help of basic natural phenomena we will build back and bounce back greener; and this government will lead that green industrial revolution.’

https://www.conservativehome.com/parliament/2020/10/the-prime-ministers-full-text-he-says-that-like-churchills-wartime-government-his-is-sketching-out-a-vision-of-a-new-jerusalem.html

p.s. We think it may have already been doctored since it doesn’t quite match up with the video clips we’ve seen. MW

My asymptomatic stomach ache may soon be turning symptomatic … bleah!

This prick just gets worse and worse. I count at least 13 outright lies.

I strongly object to that use of the word ‘prick’!

A prick is useful.

Easpecially if attached to some covid vaccine.
The usefulness depends whether on you’re receiving the jab or the profits.

“ to think that life can go on as it was before t he plague ; ”
I would hope so, that was 600 years ago.

Mother nature has savaged us with Covid , but with the help of basic natural phenomena we will build back and bounce back greener;
Shame that never included Vitamin D

Surely he meant to say “The Science has savaged us with lockdown”.

My wife went to a clinic today to have a blood test as requested by her specialist.They couldn’t do it because the NHS all over England has or is about to run out of something they mix in with the blood to be tested.I’ve never heard that they add something to the blood before it is tested or perhaps I was told once and didn’t take any notice.

Possibly an anticoagulant?

Yes,I suppose it could be,that never crossed my mind.

Lots of things not coming through the supply chain now.

Mattress maker Hypnos has apparently stopped giving delivery dates as they ahem a backlog of orders and cannot get the springs they need.

Conservatory installers having trouble getting the correct grade polycarbonate for the roofs.

Chemicals made from crude oil as their is no excess in the system.

Truck fleet operators have quite a few trucks off the road as spares, replacement windscreens etc not being delivered to the mechanics.

Bensons cannot give a delivery date for beds or furniture.

Dimples and mean cannot supply dehumidifiers.

Little things that you don’t realise as they are not in plain sight like food but all now mounting up.

Went to Ikea with my daughter at the weekend. We needed to buy a table for my daughter to use instead of her kitchen table. Although they had table tops, there were absolutely no table legs available.

They will give you the flu vaccine (no thanks) for which they are paid but won’t do vital cancer blood tests. Criminal.

Knew months ago that the fraud in the bounce back loan scheme was sky high.

I was even told by business owners they were not going to pay back a penny but would wait until the first demand for payment was issued then go bankrupt and return to India and Pakistan.

They’ve already bought a lot of high end cars etc that have been shipped out the country ready to be sold overseas or are in the process of selling the stuff at a loss (not really as it was not bought with their money) here and pocketing the cash and shipping that out.

Was a no brainer really.

Next year their children/grandchildren will open a business here when it’s a bit better financially and they will “invest” in it.

Harrowing suicide figures reveal toll on Victorians
Sky News Australia host Peta Credlin says by the end of 2020 there could be more people lost to suicide in Victoria than to coroanvirus.
And we know this terrible tragedy is happening here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVTuPh8Rb2I

Apologies if already posted but just heard on news – Sky, BBC and others- that figures released today showing 3 times more CoVid deaths than from flu or pneumonia. Putting aside flawed characterisation of cause of death in many Co Vid cases the critical point is the timeframe- January to September. Of course co Vid outnumbers flu- the flu season is more or less over by March. No context given , no questions from MSM. Is the journalist profession brain dead? And is it just a coincidence that these figures are released and in this way?? Has government propaganda/ D Cummings fingerprints all over it. I have honestly gone from a law abiding, respectful of authority citizen to a person who feels in no way loyal to this country anymore and wholly distrustful of everything.

I was previously law abiding but never respectful of authority.

Now I am a criminal, but not because of any action on my part. The state has simply invented hundreds of new laws which it is my moral obligation not to comply with.

“ Is the journalist profession brain dead?”

You mean – you have to ask?

Complete corruption of corrupted data by corrupt people.

To do ONS justice – they are quite clear in their definition :

Deaths where COVID-19 was mentioned on the death certificate

aka – not the ’cause’. Mapping the daily figures is quite useful to see when the term was most used – or most ‘fashionable’.

… and you’re quite right about the ‘flu season. Perhaps this CEBM chart gives a little perspective. Note the testdemic rise in more recent ‘Covid’ diagnoses

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/what-does-rcgp-surveillance-tell-us-about-covid-19-in-the-community/

Sturgeon tweeted that this morning and seemed to ‘forget’ she’s in charge of Scotland rather than England and Wales.

It also seemed to escape her grasp that we’re no longer in April and flu and pneumonia deaths have been significantly higher than Covid deaths for some time.

I recall when I was a child catching flu in April and the Dr remarking it was unusual and I’d waited till everyone else had already had it.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/10/08/governments-bid-smear-critics-favour-letting-virus-rip-disgusting/#comment

https://thecritic.co.uk/channel-4-turn-off-it-crowd/

Some more Wokey Wokey fun for sceptics to expostulate about

“Build Back Better”. I mean regardless of the connotations, the agendas, etc. as a slogan it’s just shit.

The alliteration helps the zombies remember it.

Well it’s getting dumber at each stage isn’t it?

Stay Home, Protect the NHS, Save Lives – Sentences
Hands, Face, Space – 3 words
Build, Back, Better – 3 words and alliteration

What’s the next one going to be? Just a picture probably.

Probably be “Ba, ba ba”. Or maybe “Boris go plop plop”.

That’s just made me lol thank you. Wonderful image of baby boris

The phonics that children use to learn how to read! Curly c for cunt , kicking K…

Three letter word slogans. Dom Cummings loves them. I have one I want to pass on to him. You F*cking C*nt. simple and easy to understand.

It could equally be Build Better Back i.e. let’s back to normal as it was working fine

“Build back better”.
What’s that in Mandarin?

Just a follow up to my earlier joke about asymptomatic stomach aches (etc)

It was a joke with a serious point, but I’m not absolutely sure that everyone quite got it.

It’s a contradiction in terms.

Covid-19 is a disease caused by the coronavirus SARS-CoV-2. Usually we don’t use two terms in this way.

People with certain symptoms may say they have colds, they don’t say they have rhinovirus infections.

While you can have a pre-symptomatic infection by a “live” SARS-CoV-2 virus, you cannot have an asymptomatic case of Covid-19.

Covid-19 is a disease with a set of specific characteristic symptoms. You cannot have asymptomatic Covid-19.

It’s laziness on the part of the MSM. Earlier this year I complained to the BBC about one of their headlines that conflated the disease with the causative agent. The response was that although tecnically correct it was in the conscience of the viewers/readers.
If you have chicken pox/shingles you don’t say you have herpes zoster infection, which was my example.