Last updated2020-10-10T09:50:37



177492 MDH, replying to MDH, 4, #1 of 1528 🔗

Is it me?

177495 ▶▶ MDH, replying to MDH, 3, #2 of 1528 🔗

It is! Well, this weekend’s not going to get any better.

177662 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to MDH, 5, #3 of 1528 🔗

The sun’s shining. What more do you want?

177501 ▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to MDH, 49, #4 of 1528 🔗

A simple question to write to your MP – ( it’s better than doing nothing)

 A couple of weeks ago Boris Johnson said a second lockdown would be a catastrophe for the British economy.

Why then is he so keen to have one?

His plan must be to bring a catastrophe to the British economy.

177557 ▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 53, #5 of 1528 🔗

Ah, but he’s not keen, is he? Like any wife-beater he keeps telling us that he “doesn’t want to do this” but that we make him by being disobedient.

178106 ▶▶▶ anti_republocrat, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 7, #6 of 1528 🔗

It would be a convenient cover for the economic consequences of the impending Brexit in January.

181377 ▶▶▶ Michael Warden, replying to sam, 4, #8 of 1528 🔗

Donald Trump has been advocating hydroxychloroquine since March. It is cheap as chips and has been around for 70-80 years.

177494 David, -1, #9 of 1528 🔗

Well, well

177499 HawkAnalyst, replying to HawkAnalyst, 7, #10 of 1528 🔗

Hang in there guys

177505 ▶▶ annie, replying to HawkAnalyst, 81, #11 of 1528 🔗

We are. Not going to give in now. Hell no.
Hearty congratulations to the nurse who has told all. She will be a star witness when Wancock and the other Fascist brutes are in the dock.

177511 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to annie, 25, #12 of 1528 🔗

Wow – need more to be so brave – there must be thousands feeling the same

177543 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to CGL, 19, #13 of 1528 🔗

Hopefully she will be the first of many!

177626 ▶▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Carrie, 53, #14 of 1528 🔗

I went to dinner with someone at the very TOP (reports to CEO) of a large town hospital and she says the same.

She also says that those testing positive for coronavirus when arriving (they all get tested), are put down as hospital Coronavirus admissions.

She says she hasn’t had any true Covid patients for months. For months!

I agree we need many more of these accounts.

Philip. Well done. Good work you are doing.

CM x

177650 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to Country Mumkin, 11, #15 of 1528 🔗

Can you put her in touch with us?
mail AT covid19assembly.org

177822 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Lockdown Truth, 4, #16 of 1528 🔗

I will ask her if she will.

177943 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to Country Mumkin, #17 of 1528 🔗


177776 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Roy Everett, replying to Country Mumkin, 16, #18 of 1528 🔗

Most people whose test returns positive don’t have true covid anyway! Regardless of the issue of what is being tested for, such as fragments ofDNA from long defeated viral challenge on the patient, the key factor is the ratio of the accuracy of the test (specifically, the percentage of false positives) to the prevalence of the virus (that is the actual percentage of “real” covids in the general population). The lower the prevalence, the more likely it is that a positive test is false. If the prevalence is 0.11%, and the accuracy is 95%, then the Positive Predictive Value is about 2%: that is, there is a 98% chance that the positive test is false. Taken to the extreme, if the virus were extinct tomorrow its prevalence would be zero, but a test with 5% false positives on a population of 70,000,000 people would produce around 3,500,000 positives, all of them false, which would keep the track’n’testers in business for decades!

177832 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Roy Everett, 7, #19 of 1528 🔗

Yes I know. It’s all balls 🎾 CM x

178695 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ adele, replying to Roy Everett, 1, #20 of 1528 🔗

True – does anyone remember the supposed whooping cough outbreak? That exact thing happened – all tested positive, all negative on retesting. Can’t recall it being brought up throughout this whole farce.


178835 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #21 of 1528 🔗

But they need to speak out publicly. I really have no sympathy for them, no more than I would to a mother who knowingly allows her partner to abuse and batter her child to death.

177668 ▶▶▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to CGL, 1, #22 of 1528 🔗

I’m not so sure. Maybe (hopefully) there are some, but as she says, most have followed and or swallowed the official narratve.

178032 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 3, #23 of 1528 🔗

That I find that to be bewildering.
Do they not believe what their own eyes tell them??

177654 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to annie, 5, #24 of 1528 🔗

It’s okay to give, but not in.

177872 ▶▶▶ James, replying to annie, 52, #25 of 1528 🔗

What’s really getting to me Ann, is the compliance. I find it frankly terrifying. The tyranny is bad enough but that can be confronted . But the sheer apathetic docility of the vast majority of the population is another matter. I fear that if the Great dictators came out from behind the curtain and announced that this was a all just a ruse for ensuring we cut CO2 emissions the great British public would say: “That’s OK.” If they went further and said that democracy was a luxury we can no longer afford the great British public would say: “ That’s fine.” Something has happened! I am find it bewildering.

177889 ▶▶▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to James, 19, #26 of 1528 🔗

I agree. There are far too many who shrug and are prepared to take the ‘it is what it is’ approach with no questions asked. It is bewildering and indeed very terrifying.

178015 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to James, 5, #27 of 1528 🔗

I’d say they had put something in the water but then we’d think like them too!

178225 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #28 of 1528 🔗

Highland Spring only for me, since decades.

178657 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Squire Western, replying to Jay Berger, 2, #29 of 1528 🔗

Highland Park for me. 😊 🥃

178182 ▶▶▶▶ anti_republocrat, replying to James, 39, #30 of 1528 🔗

The same is true on this side of the pond. I realize Brits may have a different view of the American Revolution, but we have been taught that our ancestors willingly sacrificed their lives to guarantee for themselves and their posterity the rights, embodied in our Bill of Rights, to life, religion, speech, assembly, freedom from unreasonable searches (privacy) and arbitrary imprisonment. Those rights have been under attack since well before 2001, but they are now being stripped away completely. We fought a Civil War with enormous casualties to extend those rights to those who were slaves at the time, and many risked their lives in the 1960s to recover those rights from Jim Crow.

I am 73, and I will not willingly sacrifice the few remaining rights of my children and grandchildren out of fear that my long life might be shortened by a month or two or even a few years. I am dismayed by my fellow retirees, comfortable with their pensions, paid for housing and dividend checks from monopolies, unworried that they’ll lose their job or their small business will be bankrupted, who call me irresponsible because I question the media narrative and seek out alternate viewpoints.

178868 ▶▶▶▶ Monty Bodkin, replying to James, 7, #31 of 1528 🔗

Me too. I can be angry and shout at overbearing politicians but this collective, submissive docility is truly terrifying. How do we fight that?

178126 ▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to annie, 15, #32 of 1528 🔗

Every MP should be locked in a room and made to read her account.

I don’t trust myself to make any further comment except that I suppose most of us here have suspected as much.

The people making these decisions are not human.

178143 ▶▶▶▶ Maggie, replying to charleyfarley, 2, #33 of 1528 🔗

Charley, There is nothing stopping us emailing this account to OUR MP’s?

178279 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Maggie, 6, #34 of 1528 🔗

Sadly, I don’t think it will make any difference. I haven’t had a reply from my MP to three emails, even though in the past she has replied to all of them. Just seems to think I am a nutter. I have found it impossible to persuade anyone about the truth of this, with the exception of a 20 yr old student friend.

182660 ▶▶▶ Agreatdaytocome, replying to annie, 1, #35 of 1528 🔗

One wonders who is yanking Wancock’s chain. Boris’ too.

177508 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 51, #36 of 1528 🔗

2 weeks ago when they tried increasing hospitalizations to produce the fabled Second Wave my local hospital went from 0-1 cases for many weeks to 6.
All those people have now left hospital as Covid Survivors.
There is now one Covid patient and they came into the hospital for something unconnected but was found to be Covid positive during the routine test.

What will they try next ?

177525 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to karenovirus, 41, #37 of 1528 🔗

Mass propaganda.Sage,Independent Sage all clamouring for another lockdown,never thinking if the first one didn’t work then why will the second one.
Cue libertarian Boris,I really don’t want to do this but you know.um,ah um,as he condemns millions more to unemployment and misery.
This is like a bad film plot.It is so obvious yet millions still fall for it

177635 ▶▶▶ paulito, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 32, #38 of 1528 🔗

Alexander Johnson is a monster.

177531 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to karenovirus, 21, #39 of 1528 🔗

Don’t you know that an increase from 1 to 6 patients is a 500% increase! /sarc

177554 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to karenovirus, 26, #40 of 1528 🔗

Combining all deaths from all types of coronavirus and flu and declaring them all to be due to ‘Covid’…

177608 ▶▶▶ Sceptical Lefty, replying to Carrie, 17, #41 of 1528 🔗

And not being able to face the fact that older people are more likely to die, and that somehow death at 81 should be regarded as a failure…..

177515 Miss Owl, replying to Miss Owl, 182, #42 of 1528 🔗

I never once clapped. But I’m quite happy to stand up and clap for ‘Jessica’ now.

We need more Jessicas.

177558 ▶▶ annie, replying to Miss Owl, 29, #43 of 1528 🔗

Jessica, the antidote to Karen!

177655 ▶▶▶ JohnMac, replying to annie, 12, #44 of 1528 🔗

Hang on, we have a Karen on here!

177857 ▶▶ RichT, replying to Miss Owl, 46, #45 of 1528 🔗

My partner is a nurse in a smaller more specialised hospital, that is always busy. It was turned into a covid hot hospital and she treated covid patients. She has been saying the same things as “Jessica” all along. I could tell you a few horror stories of wasted money, huge errors and mass evictions of old patients into care homes. Unfortunately if she spoke up it would be too easy to identify her and she would lose her job.

177866 ▶▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to RichT, 38, #46 of 1528 🔗

My brother is a nurse in one of the hospitals in the North East of England; has been for thirty years. He said exactly the same as Jessica. Unfortunately, as 99% of the media and search engines are bought and paid for, this will never got out to the sheeple who have 0% critical thinking. I do believe we are all fooked.

178265 ▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Miss Owl, 3, #47 of 1528 🔗

Great post!!

178645 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Miss Owl, 5, #48 of 1528 🔗

Indeed. She and the others who are trying to counter the official narrative need our support.

177517 Major Panic, 60, #49 of 1528 🔗

Excellent LS today – I hope there are some hospital staff who have kept daily/weekly diaries of events – these could be used as evidence in any future proceedings….

177518 Thinkaboutit, replying to Thinkaboutit, 50, #50 of 1528 🔗

I found Jessica’s interview very moving.

We need more Jessicas.

177538 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Thinkaboutit, 28, #51 of 1528 🔗

Indeed we do. But from what she says her colleagues were, and still are, largely unquestioning of what was right in front of them and how that contrasted with the narrative. Was this perhaps the personal threat message doing its filthy work among NHS staff who were completely manipulated by the media obsession with PPE?

177550 ▶▶▶ davews, replying to Charlie Blue, 18, #52 of 1528 🔗

I think everything Jessica says is true but no doubt the media will pull it to bits. The couple opposite are nurses in a non-covid hospital. I have not spoken to them but it was very apparent during most of the lockdown that they were not going to work as often so preumably nobody to nurse. They seem to be getting back to more normal shifts now.

177522 Jakehadlee, replying to Jakehadlee, 49, #53 of 1528 🔗

A big part of the problem is that for many people – particularly on the pro-lockdown side – this long since stopped being an argument about science and became a proxy war for left vs right.

The Guardian’s childish attack on the GBA is a classic example.

The Blairite left – having lost Brexit and seen Trump win in America – is desperate to get is own back and has falsely equated Covid scepticism with the populist right.

Because of that it is not actually engaging with facts, data or science and is sticking to an entirely dogmatic approach.

God knows how insufferable they will be when they eventually “lose” this one as well (though of course we are all going to lose)

177561 ▶▶ annie, replying to Jakehadlee, 55, #54 of 1528 🔗

Left and right are united here. We may disagree over some things from time to time, but we all know who our real enemies are.

177593 ▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to annie, 18, #55 of 1528 🔗

It is about being anti-dishonesty.

177683 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to annie, 26, #56 of 1528 🔗

Things I believe unite us are :
– Free speech
– Democracy
– Intelligence

Feel free to add to this.

177774 ▶▶▶▶ Fiat, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #57 of 1528 🔗

A nice red uniform? 😁

178270 ▶▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #58 of 1528 🔗

Adherence to the truth.

178290 ▶▶▶▶ Jo, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #59 of 1528 🔗

Critical thinking (they don’t teach that in schools these days)

177875 ▶▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to annie, 44, #60 of 1528 🔗

That’s why I like this website. We have Corbynites, Thatcherites, Trump fans, Trump detesters, Remainers, Brexiteers – but we’re all able to put our differences aside and support each other’s stories. (I am a centre-leftie Remain voter for the record.) I wish more websites like this existed in that respect!

178271 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to nocheesegromit, 23, #61 of 1528 🔗

Huzzah for that. I’m a Corbyn voter who now wants Trump to win the US election. I still haven’t worked out how that happened in such a short space of time.

Yes, I love this site for exactly the same reasons. Bravo to you all!

178804 ▶▶▶▶▶ Monty Greene, replying to Mr Dee, 4, #62 of 1528 🔗

Yes, I wasn’t a Corbyn voter but I am definitely Old Labour, and I now think Trump is definitely the lesser evil so if I were able to I would vote for him myself.

Seeing cities burn this summer did it for me.

178274 ▶▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to nocheesegromit, 9, #63 of 1528 🔗

And I’m a right wing Brexit voter, but you and me – we’re companions in arms!

178306 ▶▶▶▶ Jo, replying to nocheesegromit, 25, #64 of 1528 🔗

Voted Remain. Left-ish. I used to be a Green Party member (30 years ago).
And 30 years a Vegan (and 9 years Vegetarian before that). But in the old days we didn’t do identity politics. I was brought up on a factory farm and I loved animals (ate enough of them in the first 20 years of my life to last a lifetime!) So I have always (when asked) said that I am Vegan for “sentimental reasons”. It makes me laugh when listening to some of the new Vegans – who are so trenchant and critical of others. I never forget that I used to eat meat and have no moral highground.
And yes, I want Trump to win. Never thought I would say that until recently.

177953 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to annie, 21, #65 of 1528 🔗

I was about to say the same thing, Ann. I am a left-wing refugee from the Guardian. There is no left and right now in any meaningful sense.

177959 ▶▶▶▶ D J, replying to ConstantBees, 13, #66 of 1528 🔗

The other axis of politics seems more important in this matter: authoritarian versus libertarian.
We are libertarians of both right and left, but we share a wish for the best outcome for the most people.
How to get there differentiates us economically, but that is less important at present.

178054 ▶▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to ConstantBees, 9, #67 of 1528 🔗

Left vs right is not very useful as categories any more.
It’s the pro-free speech, small government, pro-democracy versus those who are anti.

There are the classic liberals who now find themselves at odds with those who are called liberals but are anything but. They’re liberal in the anything sexual goes sense, and say anything they please, but don’t allow any opposition.

178055 ▶▶▶ Ed Turnbull, replying to annie, 9, #68 of 1528 🔗

I’ve been saying for some years that the old left / right divide was defunct. The current political fault line is between the rationalists (who inhabit these hallowed halls) and the magical thinkers who are only too happy to accept The Narrative as revealed truth.

177574 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Jakehadlee, 31, #69 of 1528 🔗

Plenty of lefties here and very welcome they are too 👋

177591 ▶▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to karenovirus, 25, #70 of 1528 🔗

Indeed – I don’t think of myself as either left or right, but am well aware there are pro and anti on both sides.

But there is a large element – particularly in the BBC and The Guardian’s coverage – of framing scepticism as a populist movement.

177607 ▶▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to Jakehadlee, 28, #71 of 1528 🔗

It’s funny how populism has come to be seen as a right-wing thing. Populism simply means stoking prevailing attitudes and then responding to them for electoral advantage and it strikes me that can be applied to anything. If lots of people think the railways are rubbish and a politican pushes the idea of nationalisation and promises to deliver it, that is populism – but it’s not right wing. Even immigration is not really a right-wing issue – it frequently benefits the rich at the expense of the poor, which would suggest it should be an issue for the left – but the terms left and right wing have been systematically abused in recent years such that right wing has come to mean something close to evil, thus tarnishing those who are genuinely right wing, whether small state or culturally conservative, by association.

177676 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Andrew Fish, 13, #72 of 1528 🔗

It’s funny how populism has come to be seen as a right-wing thing .”

Not really surprising when you recognise that we now have an establishment that is very left wing, in objective terms, in the sense that almost all the issues that were left wing causes a hundred years ago are now pretty much government policy and received elite opinion. Clearly, they have to have a way of discrediting issues that are popular but not what they want to see, because they cannot easily just admit what they think – that the lower orders are ignorant and stupid and wrong.

So “populist” is used for that purpose.

177694 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Mark, 16, #73 of 1528 🔗

Sometimes they admit what they think. Here’s Michael Wendling of the BBC Misinformation Unit responding to my criticism of the biased coverage of one of the central London anti-lockdown protests:

We have no obligation to give a platform to erroneous ideas . We don’t, to take an extreme example, broadcast the manifestos of mass murderers alongside police statements so that people can “make up their own minds”.
I’m not saying the people there were violent. Some of them were (as the story reflected) were drawn by legitimate concerns. But the speakers (Mr Icke and others) were not expressing mainstream views that would benefit from airing and debate.

177787 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Julian, 13, #74 of 1528 🔗

We have no obligation to give a platform to erroneous ideas.

Yes, that reflects the arrogance of an established elite.

(I’m sure you’ve already noted the sheer dishonesty of using a false equivalence with criminal action to rationalise suppressing and smearing legitimate dissent.)

177958 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Mark, 3, #75 of 1528 🔗

Well, yes, comparing David Icke et al to mass murderers is a bit of a stretch, I’d say.

178073 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to ConstantBees, 11, #76 of 1528 🔗

Or comparing mass murderers with peaceful protesters…..

And as for mass murderers, they have Boris and Hancock on the BBC for interviews, don’t they?….

177982 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Mark, 9, #77 of 1528 🔗

He did me the rare courtesy of responding to me promptly and actually addressing my points – I suspect born of arrogance that his position was right. The fact that his unit exists and that he feels comfortable sharing opinions like that with random members of the public is a clear demonstration of how bad the BBC is.

178046 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Mark, 3, #78 of 1528 🔗

I remember the MSM on the Berlin protest.’ A lot of conspiracy theorists, anti vaxxers and.. FREE THINKERS!

178069 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Julian, 13, #79 of 1528 🔗

Don’t forget: the BBC will never, ever admit it might have got something wrong. Working for the BBC means never having to say sorry.

To take a prime example, look at their coverage and collusion with the police when Cliff Richard’s property was being searched.
He took them to court. The police apologised. The BBC never did.

178289 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Evoluon, replying to Julian, 7, #80 of 1528 🔗

“We don’t……. broadcast the manifestos of mass murderers” Ha! Unless they`re Tony Blair or George Bush of course. Im another lock down sceptic left-wing Corbynista/Bennite by the way. This site is great

178061 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Andrew Fish, 11, #81 of 1528 🔗

I’ve observed that in recent years, right wing, or should I say, far-right extremists seem to be used to describe anyone not far left, or anyone the media or politicians want to discredit.

177660 ▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to karenovirus, 3, #82 of 1528 🔗

Only on Saturdays 😂

177962 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to karenovirus, 1, #83 of 1528 🔗

Thank you.

177598 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Jakehadlee, 38, #84 of 1528 🔗

The irony is that Gupta,Bhattcharya and Kulldorf are all on the left. They have even had interviews in the Jacobin, the Sanders backed publication.Kulldorf’s view is that lockdown is the biggest attack on the working class ever. They are all epidemiologist and Public health minded understanding a total approach to the pandemic. What is not normal is the mainstream left adopting prolockdown mainly in a childish antiTrump antics instead of realizing that the big winners are Big Pharma and Gates/Bezos etc and the worst outcome among the poorest. I am absolutely stunned that the opposition has stopped opposing as they have a golden chance to make life very difficult for Johnsson considering the big fractures appearing in Tory party.

177613 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 9, #85 of 1528 🔗

It’s incredibly dim some of the attacks on them as you point out. They don’t even read the detail these lockdown fanatics and dismiss it as right wing.

These fanatics couldn’t overplay their hand if they tried and are completely conflicted now.

177629 ▶▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to swedenborg, 32, #86 of 1528 🔗

Indeed. I also think there’s a criminal lack of focus on the consequences for the world’s poor.

We have the likes of the Guardian actively cheerleading a policy that is estimated to be pushing 120 million people in the developing world into severe poverty and killing up to a million children in Africa.

Black lives apparently don’t matter if they live far enough away.

177970 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Jakehadlee, 15, #87 of 1528 🔗

Or brown lives. I saw a report about school kids in India having to go scrap picking at the local tip since their school was closed. How can anyone on the left say that that acceptable?

178076 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Jakehadlee, 9, #88 of 1528 🔗

A few years ago the guardian printing plant was destroyed in the IRA Canary Wharf bombing.Instead of rebuilding they had the paper printed at a nearby works which also printed the telegraph.All but 6 trainees lost their jobs.
I have never listened the Guardians faux concern for the working man ever since.

177669 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to swedenborg, 11, #89 of 1528 🔗

The irony is that Gupta,Bhattcharya and Kulldorf are all on the left.

This is why I’m pretty relaxed about the smears being attempted by the likes of the Guardian. The GBD leaders are pretty much bulletproof as far as being smeared by association with “far right!” “holocaust deniers” etc is concerned.

Though it’s dangerous to dismiss this kind of nonsense too easily, because this kind of intolerance is nowadays deeply embedded in our culture, thanks to decades of success achieved by routine smearing of people as “islamophobes”, “racists”, “antisemites” etc. as a political tactic.

177673 ▶▶▶▶ Censored Dog, replying to Mark, 3, #90 of 1528 🔗

You just know that they will try to link one of the scientists to the far right, and then destroy their credibility in the process just be childish smears.

177793 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Censored Dog, 4, #91 of 1528 🔗

Already underway, as the Unherd story linked by Will above notes:

Is The Guardian planning an attack on the Great Barrington scientists?

177688 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to swedenborg, 5, #92 of 1528 🔗

Yes, blithely throwing under the bus the very people they used to represent.

177966 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to swedenborg, 10, #93 of 1528 🔗

I’m am American but live in the UK. I saw a Biden ad today that referred to covid as “Trump’s virus”. Ready to throw the computer across the room for that one, and I am no Trump supporter.

I am also left-wing and a lifelong Democrat. I’ve said before on this forum that I will not be voting in the election next month. Seeing that ad confirmed that that was the correct decision.

178095 ▶▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to ConstantBees, 7, #94 of 1528 🔗

Walk Away campaign:


I’d link to an article on Medium written by Dr.Karlyn Borysenko but the link no longer works. Can’t think why. 😕
She was a lifelong Democrat voter, voted for Hillary, but who left the Left after witnessing some SJWs in action, driving one poor chap to near suicide, and all he’d done was ask for everyone to be considerate and kind to one another.
She’s now a confirmed Trump voter and supporter.

Unfiltered: ‘The democratic plantation really is worse than the plantation I grew up on.’

178552 ▶▶▶▶ Emily Tock, replying to ConstantBees, 4, #95 of 1528 🔗

Sympathy to you, ConstantBees! I’m an American living in Ireland, also very much a lefty. I voted for Obama with incredible hope and have regretted it ever since as his administration was one big charade of right-wing nasty hidden by progressive ‘woke’ words. As soon as Clinton got the nomination in 2016, I knew Trump would win. Biden disgusts me on just about every metric… my protest vote against both parties will have no effect in NY.

177606 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Jakehadlee, 24, #96 of 1528 🔗

Absolutely correct. That deserves its own article. How the left have jumped on this to try and draw the traditional line of left vs right wing trump loving fascists. As if this has anything to do with it.

They’ve ended up tying themselves in knots because they are doubling down and actually clapping the onset of authoritarianism and globalist agendas. That’s not the case for all Leftist people, myself included, but the polticial bodies and parties certainly have set their own trap on this trying to gain political capital. This is no more evident in the US with the upcoming election. I’ve never wanted a US president to win more than Trump this time around, I can’t believe I am typing that but that’s how lost the left have become. I don’t think I’ll ever look at them the same.

Our local socialists where I live (People Before Profit) and the most pro lockdown, pro mask, pro close work places and schools, and blame the government for still not going further. All the while looking for more and more government handouts to deal with this deadly virus.

177612 ▶▶ Sceptical Lefty, replying to Jakehadlee, 10, #97 of 1528 🔗

The problem is that essentially we have a nationally agreed pro-lockdown policy with very little open disagreement

177974 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Sceptical Lefty, 4, #98 of 1528 🔗

From the right or left. The right has been coming out more openly in the past week or two, but it was crickets before that.

178105 ▶▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to ConstantBees, 4, #99 of 1528 🔗

Unfortunately, the right are not so well organised, but more significantly, don’t control the levers of power.
Right now, I do not include Boris Johnson as being on the right. I see no difference in what he and his cabinet are doing with regards to CV19 to Andrew Cuomo, Gretchen Whitmer or Gavin Newsome.

177645 ▶▶ Thinkaboutit, replying to Jakehadlee, 12, #100 of 1528 🔗

I’m not sure its left and right. I think it’s people who want safety above liberty and people who want liberty and accept risk.

We all lie somewhere on the safety risk spectrum. In the context of health it may not translate over to left and right.

177692 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Thinkaboutit, 9, #101 of 1528 🔗

I think the whole left/right thing that’s currently being played out at the expense of the people in the North of England is pure politics and certainly has nothing to do with the safety and welfare of the electorate.

I’d say the same applies to Scotland too.

177722 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #102 of 1528 🔗

I posted this on yesterdays thread before it closed this morning, but it is very appropriate currently:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AijNCV_JWMs

178039 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to CGL, #103 of 1528 🔗

Very apt indeed.

177696 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Thinkaboutit, 2, #104 of 1528 🔗

One of the most striking and frustrating things is that the safety these people want is not being and cannot be delivered

177646 ▶▶ paulito, replying to Jakehadlee, 26, #105 of 1528 🔗

I was a bit of a lefty who was starting to have my doubts about the left before this nonsense. I’m totally finished with all of them now. The so called left disgust and horrify me in equal measures.

177715 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to paulito, 10, #106 of 1528 🔗

IThe real poltical dividing line on this is globalism.

Globalists are pro-‘lockdown.

178485 ▶▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to calchas, 6, #107 of 1528 🔗

The real devide is a class one .The middle classes have big homes and gardens and many work in the public sector ,So imagine someone offers you a seven month holiday with pay ,wouldn’t you be happy with another lockdown ?.It’s always the working class that suffer because the very rich and the middle classes are insulated .Also before anyone objects i know there are some people from all classes that are against lockdown but as a general rule i think this still stands .

177796 ▶▶ Roy Everett, replying to Jakehadlee, 9, #108 of 1528 🔗

It’s not so much a Left/Right division as an Authoritarian/Libertarian division. The Authoritarians place great weight on having a powerful force that can impose the most draconian and rights-violating measures, if it is “for the good of the state”; the Libertarians place great weight on freedom of choice, even if it means that some individuals have misfortunes. This division won’t go away and, IMHO, is insoluble. It comes to the fore when people from the two camps argue about whether Karen wearing a mask in Aisle 3 in Truro saves granny in Thurso.

178515 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Roy Everett, 3, #109 of 1528 🔗

But then I don’t think those on the authoritarian side as you say know that they inhabit that space, do they? So they see the problems the world faces and want to believe that if only everyone listened to them and just allowed them to get things done, we’d all be grateful. It’s a kind of seductive trap when dealing with complex global issues, the strongman appeals as he, or she, provides what appears to be a simple answer.

They cannot see, for example, that the Coronavirus Act, is a draconian measure, a power grab in a time of manufactured crisis, that will never be given up. That’s why the globalists now see this as the perfect opportunity for change, with democracy and freedom out of the way. They can now implement sweeping changes, cause untold harm in the process, while keeping the majority in line through fear.

177523 mrjoeaverage, replying to mrjoeaverage, 108, #110 of 1528 🔗

One point I just wanted to make looking at a regular occurring comment online.

“No wonder you want lockdown, you are unaffected with a secure job.”

I am, by and large, unaffected by Covid. I have worked from home for nearly 10 years, and am secure to the extent that my family company has a long-running extensive client base in an unaffected industry. I am thankful of this. I have a young child who is at school, and we have a normal family life and can pass the company baton down. We have switched to 100% online shopping, but to be honest, we were gradually morphing towards that anyway these last few years. Naturally, I miss normality, I miss travel, but I quite like my own company anyway, and so from my own perspective, never mind.

But that being said, I would like to say I am a selfless person. I am always making my views heard that I disagree wholeheartedly with everything that is happening in the world. I am expressing these views mainly because I can see what is going to happen to other people, the economy, their jobs, their livelihoods, their future mental health, their physical health.

So all these lockdown enthusiasts: I am not saying this for my benefit, I am saying it for your benefit. Most of all, I am simply angry that more people are not angry. They just do not understand. It cannot be stressed enough the importance of the Budget being delayed.

Maybe this is optimistic, but there is a weird part of me that is almost willing on another lockdown, because I have a funny feeling that this will be the final straw, the required trigger, and people will finally wake up and see through the bull for what it really is.

177528 ▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to mrjoeaverage, 23, #111 of 1528 🔗

Great comment, I’m in a fairly similar position and feel much the same.

177583 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to mrjoeaverage, 24, #112 of 1528 🔗

Police Scotland apparently had to deal with 350 illegal household gatherings on Friday (?) and they are just the ones that got snitched. Scots triggered, in a good way.

177707 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to karenovirus, 9, #113 of 1528 🔗

Good. Let’s hope it’s contagious!

177801 ▶▶▶ Naomi, replying to karenovirus, 28, #114 of 1528 🔗

My household was one of them. Not a party, per se; my eldest daughter arrived home with a colleague to enjoy a refreshment after a long, hard, shift together, and some curtain-twitching knob saw fit to report the breach. Just like every preceding day this week, they worked side by side for 10hrs yesterday. I feel like I’m back in my psychologically abusive marriage and being gaslighted to breaking point.

177985 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Naomi, 16, #115 of 1528 🔗

I was in an abusive relationship for a few years myself. The government’s gaslighting is obvious to those of us who have gone through it on a personal level.

178839 ▶▶▶▶▶ Naomi, replying to ConstantBees, 3, #116 of 1528 🔗

Spot on CB. Irrespective of the dynamic- friendship, romantic partner, or indeed government- when one side wishes to control and indignify the other, the underhand tactics are always the same. Once your eyes are finally opened, you spot it from a great distance forever thereafter. It’s the behaviour of narcissists and sociopaths. I truly despair that we’ve come to this. My childish sense of morality keeps screaming, “It’s nae fair!”

177585 ▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to mrjoeaverage, 81, #117 of 1528 🔗

Exactly how I feel. I have a job which seems to be secure (we depend on international sales more than British so Boris can only do so much damage), I can work from home, I’m not that sociable and I hate shopping. I do miss theatre and travel, and I’m now limiting myself to restaurants where I have a good personal relationship with the owners so that I don’t have to keep justifying my mask exemption. Basically, I could ride this out and – inevitable tax rises aside – probably do fine.

However, that doesn’t make me pro-lockdown, because I think it’s wrong to judge situations based on what is convenient or liveable for yourself and ignore everyone else. Back in February, when the media started hyping this all up, I started researching, trying to get a handle on the facts. The Diamond Princess situation was particularly useful in this regard. My reading was that this wasn’t a big risk. Our company sent us to work from home a week before lockdown started – to make sure it all went smoothly so they could tweak anything – and I told them then we were less likely to die from Covid than to die of boredom from people going on about it.

Since then I have become increasingly frustrated at the stupidity or corruption of our politicians (I’m still not sure which it is). I can see people’s lives being torn apart or even ended by this nonsense. I’ve put money into Simon Dolan’s and Liberty’s campaigns, I’ve lobbied my MP. I haven’t attended a protest because, frankly, I don’t think they work, but I’ve contributed to the comment trails on the Spectator and the Telegraph – something I don’t normally do – making sure to provide facts, evidence and logic (and occasionally a bit of wit) rather than resorting to abuse. My feeling is that public opinion is turning, the media is turning, but whether because they’re listening to rigged opinion polls or not listening at all, this hasn’t sunk in with our government.

Where do we go from here? Simon Dolan gets his next day in court on Thursday. Judges elsewhere in the world have been pretty good in this regard, and Dolan’s last appeal was rejected because at the time the lockdown was loosening, so I have some hope there. Belgium, Spain and now Ireland are beginning to turn their back on the PCR casedemic – I’m hoping this will spread to other countries and increase the pressure on our government. If Trump wins next month – and I don’t have a handle on how likely that is – then perhaps that will be the final nail in the Covid coffin.

After that, if we do get out of this mess, we must not forget. We mustn’t let the unemployment figures and excess deaths become just more statistics. We must use every election we can to punish those responsible and make it perfectly clear this is what we are doing. Because fundamentally what the problem is – and has been for some time – is that our politicians think they are our lords and masters and not what they actually are, which is our servants. We need to change our political culture to make sure this can never happen again.

177628 ▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to Andrew Fish, 20, #118 of 1528 🔗

I sincerely hope and wish your assessment is right. Every time I hear comments like yours there seems to a rabid pack of lockdowners and mask-ists springing up all over the MSM.

we must do all we can to spread the sceptics message and (like Blackadder said) “tweak the nose of terror and throw ice cubes down the vest of fear!”

177639 ▶▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to Alan P, 28, #119 of 1528 🔗

Some of those lockdowners are shills. I’ve identified at least two on the Telegraph comment trails who work for vested interests, so I’ve no doubt they’re being paid to troll. What’s heartening is that they’re getting much more pushback than they were a few months ago.

177732 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Andrew Fish, 7, #120 of 1528 🔗

They’re best completely ignored. Answering results in a long thread filled with rubbish and people stop reading, so many good comments get missed.

177758 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Cheezilla, 13, #121 of 1528 🔗

Dear right, Cheezilla. Their job is to waste people’s time and energy and derail the argument – as you say, people stop reading these interminable threads (I do) and that’s what they want. Every time someone tries to reason with a shill or a troll they are playing their game. Don’t forget many of them are paid to do it; we’re working voluntarily! MW

177723 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Alan P, 26, #122 of 1528 🔗

I’ve had five different tradesmen call recently and every one of them knew this is a complete scam and not about a virus.
They see a lot of different people in a week ……

178312 ▶▶▶▶▶ Evoluon, replying to Cheezilla, 8, #123 of 1528 🔗

Iv noticed this too – all along builders etc seem to have completely ignored it all. Youd think that they ought to have the highest incidence of covid-19 if the lockdown did any good

178428 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Kristian Short, replying to Evoluon, 6, #124 of 1528 🔗

Most tradespeople I know are smart, rational and no nonsense…

177663 ▶▶▶ paulito, replying to Andrew Fish, 28, #125 of 1528 🔗

Agree, but those responsible need more than punishment at election time. They need to spend the rest of their lives behind bars.

177672 ▶▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to paulito, 15, #126 of 1528 🔗

If there’s a way to achieve that then I’m all for it.

177777 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to paulito, 15, #127 of 1528 🔗

In this kind of situation, where basically the entire establishment are complicit, the only way that ever happens is via revolutionary overthrow of the established order.

Consider the fact that nobody went to prison or suffered appropriate consequences for the Iraq crime and blunder.

178284 ▶▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to paulito, 1, #128 of 1528 🔗

I could get behind that!!

177719 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Andrew Fish, 17, #129 of 1528 🔗

Great post!

… the stupidity or corruption of our politicians (I’m still not sure which it is)

Such psychopathic cruelty is definitely due to corruption.

I was thinking this morning:
When Wankock first became Health Minister, he developed a weird habit of dropping his jaw slightly, which I assumed was a tip from the nudge unit to try help him look as if he wasn’t lying.

He doesn’t do that any more. Just trots out the pre-rehearsed nonsense with a completely straight face or, in the case of threats, with obvious relish.

177627 ▶▶ MyHomeIsMyCastle, replying to mrjoeaverage, 41, #130 of 1528 🔗

That’s exactly how I feel.

Lockdown doesn’t affect me personally nearly as much as it does other people, because I’m self-employed and live in a rural area that hasn’t been badly affected by the virus.

But the destruction of everything that makes life worth living makes me so angry.

I have a young friend who is a phenomenally talented musician. He was in the middle of a university course when this all started, and now he’s been left in limbo and the industry he was hoping to work in has more or less disappeared. He is now working as a barista. What a waste!

I filled in an online survey by parkrun the other day (just one of the normal things we’re not allowed to do anymore), and at the end there was a box where you could write any comments, and I found myself writing this: “I used to be a sunny and optimistic person, but now I’m depressed, angry and frustrated all the time”.

If I feel like that – with my comfortable life in a pleasant location – I can only begin to imagine the desperation of the people who have had their family life and livelihoods wrecked by this inept government (not by the virus).

177703 ▶▶ Julian, replying to mrjoeaverage, 17, #131 of 1528 🔗

I’m in the same boat as you, though my family are affected in various ways so I suppose it is personal for me. But I’d be angry anyway. I am especially angry with people like us who support lockdown, who are intelligent enough and have enough time to research this, but cannot be bothered. I’m all right Jack – we’re NOT all in this together.

177767 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Julian, 46, #132 of 1528 🔗

We have several friends (some of them becoming ex) who are comfortably pensioned, can’t wait for the vaccine and their health passport so they can resume their 4-5 foreign holidays a year. Lockdowns are such a nuisance but what’s the problem when you can order everything online and Skype your kids? Masks are a bore but it’s a law, after all. They really don’t give a fuck about what’s going on and refuse to see anything wrong. You are so right – we are absolutely not all in this together and whoever is running this show knows it. MW

177704 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to mrjoeaverage, 10, #133 of 1528 🔗

Well said. People certainly need a wake-up call or they’ll find out what’s really been going on when it’s far too late.
I share your frustration.

177896 ▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to mrjoeaverage, 18, #134 of 1528 🔗

I was talking about this to my mum the other night. I come from a fairly deprived town where the job prospects are dire and everything’s quite run down. I’m lucky in the sense that my parents are high earners (I receive the minimum maintenance loan allowed for uni and thankfully they make up the difference) and haven’t been affected financially at all. My mum said she had quite enjoyed lockdown and being at home (particularly being able to spend time in the garden), but she agreed that she’s in a privileged position compared to most locals. Both of my parents seem to be coming round to my frustrations RE: locking down everyone for the benefit of a few which is great to hear.

177922 ▶▶ CGL, replying to mrjoeaverage, 25, #135 of 1528 🔗

‘Most of all, I am simply angry that more people are not angry’

I find that completely maddening and have never been so angry. I am the same as you – we could carry on if I wasnt working. What I cannot bear is the looming prospect of the suffering and grief that will be coming very soon – how can they not see?

177983 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to mrjoeaverage, 11, #136 of 1528 🔗

I’m semi-retired, have worked from home for years. My income has actually gone up a bit because the work I do has benefited from everyone being online. The worst impact of the restrictions for me personally is the impact on public transport.

While my personal situation is fine, I am totally imposed to the government deliberately destroying everything with its insane policies. I feel angry every day as I look around at what’s happening.

178479 ▶▶ WhyNow, replying to mrjoeaverage, 4, #137 of 1528 🔗

I don’t accuse any individual for favouring lockdown because they are secure. Nevertheless I think it must be a huge factor for many if not most. In fact, I realised the teachers had a point. It was most unfair that they had to go back to work when most of the public sector did not. What bad luck to pick a safe job where you actually have to go to work! Now, if they had become GP’s instead, they would be able to stay safely at home.

177526 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 9, #138 of 1528 🔗


Even Devi Sridhar is turning. She is touting T&T but not for lockdowns. The edifice is starting to crumble.

177568 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Ewan Duffy, 19, #139 of 1528 🔗

She’s just trying to avoid prosecution …

177602 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ewan Duffy, 9, #140 of 1528 🔗

She said this a few days ago but then banged on about Great Barrington being wrong and impossible so I don’t know what she actually thinks we should do, if indeed she does think much.

177637 ▶▶▶ Thinkaboutit, replying to A. Contrarian, 20, #141 of 1528 🔗

She’s just a mouthpiece for the continuing psyop. Not a woman of brain or integrity.

177740 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Ewan Duffy, 8, #142 of 1528 🔗

Devi need to fuck off back to America.

177751 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ewan Duffy, 3, #143 of 1528 🔗

I’m not sure what to make of the article. She asks a lot of good questions but makes no attempt to answer them.

eg. How are these countries keeping Covid-19 under control, their health services running, and their economies and societies afloat?

She doesn’t answer the question at all – unless she’s trying to say that we should completely close our borders, like New Zealand?

How would that work, given how our economy functions? There’s a reason why Heathrow is so busy. There’s a reason why we’re frantically turning large swathes of Kent into a giant lorry park.

She obliquely trashes the GBD suggestion of shielding the vulnerable, claiming we don’t know who’s vulnerable, while listing those who are!

I notice there’s a push for long covid but I’m not sure what she’s playing at by bashing lockdown, given that her boss is very keen on total stranglehold.

She concludes: At what point will we learn from their playbook: suppressing the virus, opening up the economy and regaining a semblance of normality in our daily lives?

But as long as you pursue the impossible task of suppressing a virus by means other than herd immunity, (which she carefully fails to mention) measures will obviously have to remain!!

Anyone else make any sense of the agenda behind the article?

178570 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #144 of 1528 🔗

You’ve uncovered the signs of faulty logic in her thinking. Nothing holds from one context to the next. If she’s wants to be right on lockdowns til vaccines then how do we prevent mass starvation around the world (1.3m already baked in according to Oxfam)?

They always seem to want to have their cake and eat it. Bleeding heart stuff for the plebs while they would like to live their own life in comfort and prestige.

177754 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 11, #145 of 1528 🔗

I picked this out as one of the better comments on this article:

I was willing to forgive your naivety in believing the figures from China, maybe you have never been there. I was almost with you (in spite of a deep seated distrust of governments who track their citizens like the paragons of virtue you hold up) until this line “Another problem is that immunity to coronaviruses wanes quickly and reinfection is possible.”
That is just not true and I would love to see your evidence. There have been a handful of possible re-infections worldwide, just as there are with measles, chickenpox etc., and there is no evidence to suggest that immunity wanes quickly. Indeed, I’m somewhat horrified that a “chair of global public health” has apparently no medical background and does not understand ‘cell memory’ and the role of T-cells.

177879 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Ewan Duffy, 9, #146 of 1528 🔗

It’s incredible that this woman has no medical qualifications at all. However she has massive power over all the people in Scotland and to a lesser extent England. How does a person with no medical qualifications get so powerful? How dare she question some of the most eminent Virologists, Epidemiologists and Doctors in the world? Might as well have me on there giving medical advice!! WTF

178067 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Ewan Duffy, 5, #147 of 1528 🔗

I just spent an increasingly angry 20 minutes on the comment section. Full of people worshipping the ground she walks on. Once I hit a comment that said people with exemptions should be confined to their homes, well, that was it for me. Have to do something else now until my blood pressure returns to normal.

178618 ▶▶▶ Brian D, replying to ConstantBees, 2, #148 of 1528 🔗

Yes, on the one hand (according to them) our selfish ideas will hurt or kill the vulnerable because it’s apparently beyond the wit of families and local communities to protect their loved ones but on the other hand (again according to them) the vulnerable or disabled should stay home if they can’t/won’t wear a mask.

177527 court, replying to court, 15, #149 of 1528 🔗

A couple of choice links today:

Young person vlogger with positive tested dog and pavement https://youtu.be/NhwVRSZs8_8

HSE Ireland admits to 40-45 PCR amplifications https://mobile.twitter.com/fionamflanagan1/status/1314688167212089345

177546 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to court, 7, #150 of 1528 🔗

That second one needs to be tweeted widely!!!

177597 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to court, 3, #151 of 1528 🔗

Oh no! Ban dogs! Pavements kill!

177738 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #152 of 1528 🔗

New guidance today was released by The Government, people are now advised NOT to lick pavements or dogs.

177780 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #153 of 1528 🔗

Stop licking the pavement!

177860 ▶▶ Quernus, replying to court, #154 of 1528 🔗

Brilliant to see a YouTuber revealing the scan – and one who was clearly a believer until he got these test results! I’ve thought of doing this myself, but his video will be much, much, much more effective (hopefully).

178112 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to court, #155 of 1528 🔗

Great video – show to your children and their friends

177529 Mark, replying to Mark, 10, #156 of 1528 🔗

Q. As you mentioned, this virus mainly attacks the elderly. With the lockdown rules and the elderly unable to see their family for months, what effect has this had on their mental health?
Answer: It has affected their mental health enormously. Bewilderment, loneliness and isolation. I know many elderly people who have had to choose between obeying the fear and seeing their own grandchildren, with many hearts creakingly choosing the first.

A good place here to link to this study posted here yesterday by the sterling Swedenborg.

Risk Factors for Excess Deaths Among Older Adults Without Confirmed COVID-19 During Lockdown: A Retrospective Cohort Study

177799 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mark, 3, #157 of 1528 🔗

Believe it or not, it’s World Mental Health Day today.
Pity they didn’t celebrate that by letting us all out of mockdown!

177530 Mabel Cow, replying to Mabel Cow, 7, #158 of 1528 🔗

In case it’s of any use to anyone, here’s a chart comparing the number of weekly “with-COVID” deaths against all-cause deaths. The chart is based on the ONS weekly death data up to week ending 25 September. This is the latest data I can find that reports actual registrations, rather than estimates. I have not applied any smoothing; these are the raw weekly totals as reported by the ONS. In an attempt to avoid any distortions that might be caused by time-of-death-registration issues, I have used the data based on time-of-death-occurrence.

The chart clearly shows that even using the government’s own flawed classification of death-with-COVID-19, the proportion of deaths is practically irrelevant at a national level.

There’s an up-tick in September, but the shape of curve hardly suggests impending disaster. It’s a pity that the ONS is not more timely in producing its reports, although it is hardly surprising that the death figures are slow to appear, considering that they undermine the government’s testdemic-driven narrative.

I created the chart so that I have some evidence to back up my claim that COVID-19 is no longer any kind of threat to the general population. Apologies if this post is a duplicate of anyone else’s effort, but I felt that I had to go through the exercise to double-check my own beliefs.

The full sized chart is available here . I can post the data if anyone wants it.

177559 ▶▶ WhyNow, replying to Mabel Cow, 8, #159 of 1528 🔗

I have tried to work out why they are advocating more lockdown, with data like that. The answer is shockingly simple. If you believe the same infection rate and the same fatality rate as in March, then virtually ANY hospitalisation is the inevitable (I mean mathematically) prelude to armageddon.

We are taking it for granted that the disease fatality is not what it first appeared to be in Feb/March. SAGE are not taking that view at all.

It’s important to understand this. In the model, life CANNOT get better. It is mathematically impossible. All that can be done is to calibrate different types of restriction e.g. schools open so pubs closed. That’s what SAGE said, and they meant it. It’s only the dumb public who thought there was a way out of lockdown. There isn’t, in the model.

177584 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to WhyNow, 19, #160 of 1528 🔗

The virus is the same as it was in March. The fatality is a bit less mainly because we aren’t killing people with ventilators as much.

The only justification for continuing is the blind faith that the first lockdown saved 450,000 lives. To anyone who has looked at the numbers or the facts at all that claim is absolutely ridiculous. The lockdown saved almost no lives but cost several tens of thousands.

177803 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to guy153, -1, #161 of 1528 🔗

And because we are no longer being told to stay home and only bother 911 if we become really Ill and so unable to benefit from early intervention.

177811 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to karenovirus, 2, #162 of 1528 🔗

We aren’t actually being told to stay home, but there are few places left to visit, other than work and the supermarket.

177708 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to WhyNow, 5, #163 of 1528 🔗

To be fair to Ferguson, I remember him saying we’d need recurring lockdowns until we had a vaccine or everyone had had it. The media and the government chose not to mention that.

177794 ▶▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Julian, 6, #164 of 1528 🔗

Fuck that cunt

177808 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jaguarpig, #165 of 1528 🔗

Not my type thanks!

177977 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Jaguarpig, #166 of 1528 🔗

Oh yes indeed, he certainly is

177807 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Julian, 1, #167 of 1528 🔗

Kendrick explains why there won’t be a vaccine till 2023 at the earliest.

178134 ▶▶▶▶ WhyNow, replying to Julian, 1, #168 of 1528 🔗

Yes, you are right. It is baked into the model. Anyone suggesting that lockdown is temporary, while following the model, is lying.

177616 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Mabel Cow, 10, #169 of 1528 🔗

Yes – that illustrates the point that all the talk of ‘Covid’ deaths is finger-in-the-air fiction.

The only thing that I would add, having done similar exercises over the last six months, is that your red line of weekly all-cause mortality follows the curve of the lowest year in 27! (Apart from the April spike)

That April surge did lift the cumulative mortality for the season towards the maximum of those years (still not ‘unprecedented’), but the cumulative trend line is now distinctly diverging downwards from that point.

One feature is that temporary peak is clearly to do with additional mortality resulting from vulnerable people surviving the low infection rate of 2019. Thus (partly) the high age of average death. It’s hard to estimate the effect on the 2020 figures, but it is probably quite a high proportion of the deaths, given that the mortality for the two-year period is at the average.

It’s the scale of this fraud that is frightening – not the deaths.

177805 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #170 of 1528 🔗

That’s brilliant. Very clear, thanks.

Unfortunately, as you note, the results are slow to be published, so “they” can claim that was then and now it’s spiralled rapidly out of all control …….

178567 ▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to Cheezilla, #171 of 1528 🔗

The results are slow to be published, because unlike the NHS daily death toll (assembled manually and reported in XL), these numbers undergo rigorous Quality Control by the ONS, with spurious data followed up and data cleaned properly. You should actually be surprised the lag is so short (about 10-14 days). The US data is up to a month behind.

177532 cloud6, replying to cloud6, 9, #172 of 1528 🔗

With the Governments like of ramping up numbers and the use of spreadsheets perhaps they should be using this : https://www.pcjs.org/software/pcx86/app/other/visicalc/1981/

And on a lighter note watch this : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUOtCLOXgm8

Have a nice day, the sun is shining lovely here in darkest Devon.

177545 ▶▶ Jules, replying to cloud6, 5, #173 of 1528 🔗

Torquay is quite sunny today. However, the black shirts at the town hall are making ominous noises about roundups and lockdowns following the recent sad death of an old lady: https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/tough-new-measures-warning-torbay-4593689

177562 ▶▶▶ cloud6, replying to Jules, 2, #174 of 1528 🔗

Councillor Steve Darling, a Lib Dim (opportunist’s). Shame really as this council has a group of Independents who could make a real difference to Torquay, but they do not?

177570 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to cloud6, 3, #175 of 1528 🔗

Someone will come up with a better Blackadder joke than I can manage …

178147 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to cloud6, #176 of 1528 🔗

Don’t laugh, but they did use it; at local government level, anyway.

I remember using it when at Glasgow District Council 30-odd years ago.

177533 Jules, replying to Jules, 42, #177 of 1528 🔗

It is clear that the Government is full of the sickest puppies. The levels of suffering being inflicted on citizens must never be forgiven. Criminal trials and retribution in line with those seen for war criminals will be the only appropriate outcome.

177567 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Jules, 12, #178 of 1528 🔗

Dream on.

Hancock and Boris will be in the House of Lords before this is all paid for.

177573 ▶▶ alw, replying to Jules, 4, #179 of 1528 🔗
177700 ▶▶▶ Jules, replying to alw, #180 of 1528 🔗

Thanks. Most heartening.

177588 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Jules, 6, #181 of 1528 🔗

I thought the same during the WMD debacle. It didn’t quite work out the way I’d hoped.

177996 ▶▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #182 of 1528 🔗

Yes – still waiting for Bliar’s trial!

177534 GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 22, #183 of 1528 🔗

Great interview with ‘Jessica’ and I’m truly grateful to her for speaking out. It’s one thing posting the interview on this site where everyone can see this debacle for what it is but that interview really needs to be circulated amongst the less aware members of the general public. Please Toby, or anyone else running this site who has an in with the MSM do your utmost to get this interview as widely published as possible.

177551 ▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 16, #184 of 1528 🔗

I have put links on some the Telegraph and a couple of other places. I have been seeing a lot of interviews form nurses saying this for several months

177578 ▶▶ RickH, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 21, #185 of 1528 🔗

I’ve been pondering this interview, which largely corresponds to my observations. Although I have never suffered from a ‘denial of service’ (except in terms of a personally inconsequential 3-month delay in a review,) or seen it directly, two things particularly ring true :

  • the way in which medical staff have been brainwashed into accepting the government narrative and the necessity of not questioning it. This has resulted in many examples of them having to do things contrary to the basics of medical ethics. The degree of compliance is, perhaps even more frightening than in the population as a whole – the classic example being the retreat of GPs behind castle walls against all previous experience and any medical knowledge.
  • The capacity issue. The separation/removal of beds on the basis of the need for distancing required only basic maths to work out that capacity was being massively reduced – even a month since. It was simple observation that generally activity in hospitals was massively below capacity, even though things are returning to a more normal level.

Now, my experience comes from an exceptionally good teaching trust (this judgment comes from six years of ‘frequent flying’ across several disciplines). So if all this was happening there – what has been happening elsewhere? The hospitals concerned are stuffed with some of the best professionals in the land – obviously highly qualified, caring and and massively expert as a body. If they haven’t kicked back – what hope is there? One answer, I guess is that a well-run hospital does require a disciplined top-down framework – but, even so …..Ironically, I have always praised that disciplined framework in normal circumstances – it is the root of genuinely safe procedures.

What is so frightening is the way in which staff have slipped into thinking that contravenes basic medical ethics – and even the Nuremberg protocols. This is seen in the enforcement of mask wearing and the use of PCR testing – both unjustified, invasive procedures of no individual or general benefit.

… and that’s before we get to the constriction of the supply of services. The Mengele Brigade’s dire influence is all to obvious in this context.

There is a profound Evil stalking the land under the Johnson government.

177618 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to RickH, 5, #186 of 1528 🔗

From speaking to friends, quite a few hospitals are now keeping an active record of personnel so that it’s easy to track who took the flu jab. The jab is primarily about reducing staff sick days. They didn’t do this before as it would be addressed if you were off a lot.

The issue though is that some are worried that this year’s jab will include a bit of something else. It may be unfounded but considering what has been going on it may not be.

177997 ▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 2, #187 of 1528 🔗

I think it’d be good if it was hosted on another website too. It might put people off if it’s featured on a website called ‘Lockdown Sceptics’ particularly for those who are not sceptical in the slightest.

177535 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 17, #188 of 1528 🔗

On the whole I believe that actions should be taken to deal with a threat but I think they should be proportionate.

I don’t consider an IFR of less than 1% particularly deadly, I know it’s probably less but I’ll stick with this for easy working. Out of 100 people you might know, if one of them died, would/should you really be terrified? Of course if you take 1% of a larger population the number will be larger but the proportion will still only be 1%. As the global population grows the absolute number for 1% grows accordingly, but the actual threat does not change, 1 person out of 100 you may know could die.

What I’ve found particularly troubling is what those in control have been willing to do and how they’ve gone about doing it. I could list a whole host of things but it would just be regurgitating things we’ve been discussing on this site for months.

All people need to do is go back through everything on this site, and other sites if they wish and ask the following:

“If this is what they’re prepared to do for a virus that isn’t particularly deadly then what would they do for something far worse and how would you stop them because there is seemingly no way to stop them now.”

177631 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Nobody2020, 2, #189 of 1528 🔗

If the IFR was 1% and everyone were to get it, then yes, personally I would consider that particularly deadly.

Thankfully I think it’s far lower.

177693 ▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Tee Ell, 2, #190 of 1528 🔗

As reported here yesterday, the WHO reported the actual IFR as being a benign 0.14%, lower than that of the flu.
The same day, Germany’s Devi and alleged inventor of the useless and criminal PCR test talked about the IFR being 1%.
You obviously can’t reason with such people.

177718 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Tee Ell, 3, #191 of 1528 🔗

I guess we all have a view on where the cutoff is that would merit the kind of interventions we’ve seen, but I think one really needs to consider that 1% in relation to lost years of quality life. NICE use QALYS to decide what to spend healthcare budgets on here in the UK. There’s no perfect measure, but it is what we’ve used. There has to be some measure. Even at 1%, using QALYS shows that the cost side far exceeds the benefits, even without considering loss of liberty as a cost, which it surely needs to be.

177932 ▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Julian, #192 of 1528 🔗

Sure, but I don’t feel this is an either/or thing. I think we could have pursued – and still could pursue – certain (opt-in, not forced) measures to protect the old/vulnerable.

I don’t think we can win a purely QALYs based argument, even though it’s a factor I like to consider myself, because for people who don’t get it they just hear that it’s condemning the old/vulnerable to death and that won’t wash with the masses in my view.

177976 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Tee Ell, 3, #193 of 1528 🔗

I think you need to advise the old and vulnerable and those who care for them (family or otherwise) of the risks and let them make their own decisions. In cases where those old and vulnerable are not in control of their situation, either because they are not compos mentis or they are in shared accommodation, it is more awkward. For example, if you live in a care home you don’t really want workers or visitors bringing the virus in but neither should you impose blanket isolation. But I expect a way could be found – imperfect, but much less imperfect than the crap we have now.

I agree it seems to be a hard argument – it will take time and reeducation. I think a lot of people had never really thought about healthcare rationing very much before. Someone posted yesterday about adults and children. People who believe saving lives at all costs is either feasible or morally defensible are not proper adults IMO.

178048 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Julian, #194 of 1528 🔗

Fully agree.

177652 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to Nobody2020, 3, #195 of 1528 🔗

Around 1% of the population die every year (all causes). That is just the normal circle of life. So for a population of 60 million or so, that is around 600,000 deaths a year. It is roughly same proportion of the global population.

177710 ▶▶ Dr Downunder, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #196 of 1528 🔗

In people under 70 there have been around 20,000 documented infections and a bit over 30 deaths. We have had nearly 8 million tests performed so our epidemic has been very thoroughly delineated with likely relatively small percentage of infections missed. In any case the upper bound for IFR in those under 70 in our population is 0.15%.

In over 70s we have had about 5000 documented infections and 850 deaths but all but 170 of these have been in nursing homes.

Community IFR is around 6% over age 70 but around 30% in care homes!


177789 ▶▶ Sally, replying to Nobody2020, 7, #197 of 1528 🔗

When it comes right down to it the IFR is irrelevant. The question is whether lockdowns work (and they don’t) and whether they cause unacceptable harms (they do). End of story.

177536 DaveB, replying to DaveB, 5, #198 of 1528 🔗

Think this is such good news, I’m going to post it again (with the right link)

World Health Organization Tells Leaders To End The Lockdowns



177540 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to DaveB, 1, #199 of 1528 🔗

I’d love a printable statement of this from the WHO.

178070 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #200 of 1528 🔗

They are doing this to undermine the lawsuit from Germany accusing them of crimes against humanity.

177553 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to DaveB, 6, #201 of 1528 🔗

The thing is, this is really just a nudge towards the next stage of their plan – ie compulsory health passports, which is a big part of what their original aim was…

They have successfully made everyone so fed up with lockdowns, that they will accept ANYTHING that gets rid of them.. Whereas the whole aim of the WEF/World Bank /World Economic forum et al, was to introduce mass tracking and surveillance, along with being able to reduce the world’s population via mandatory vaccines.

177581 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to DaveB, 2, #202 of 1528 🔗

Notice top tweet is the UN Agenda 2030 and sustainable development goals – where it’s been planned to go all long for a long, long time.

177590 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to DaveB, 3, #203 of 1528 🔗

It is good news, but Hancock is insane and shows no sign of stopping now, and the WHO will come out tomorrow and say it was taken out of context and they didn’t really mean it, or some such nonsense.

177541 John Stone, replying to John Stone, 1, #204 of 1528 🔗

BMJ Rapid Response by retired Welsh GP Janet Menage yesterday:

e: Covid 19: “The best science”? Re: Covid 19: NEJM and former CDC director launch stinging attacks on US response Janice Hopkins Tanne. 371:doi 10.1136/bmj.m3925
Dear Editor
“The best decisions are based on the best science”, the article quotes.
However, the CDC states on page 39 of its 13th July 2020 document entitled,’ CDC 2019-Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel For Emergency Use Only Instructions for Use’ (1) :

“Since no quantified virus isolates of the 2019-nCoV are currently available, assays designed for detection of the 2019-nCoV RNA were tested with characterized stocks of in vitro transcribed full length RNA (N gene; GenBank accession: MN908947.2) of known titer (RNA copies/μL) spiked into a diluent consisting of a suspension of human A549 cells and viral transport medium (VTM) to mimic clinical specimen”.

What does this mean? And is it the “best science”?

(1) https://www.fda.gov/media/134922/download

177542 Sharky1956, 16, #206 of 1528 🔗

Just read this interview with “Jessica”. The most powerful and moving thing I have read in years. Boris and Matt Hancock should be forced to read this although I suspect they already are aware of this.

177547 WhyNow, replying to WhyNow, 25, #207 of 1528 🔗

The account given by the nurse gets to the heart of the problem. What she describes is the terminally ill dying of the things they usually die of, but compounded by neglect and DNR. My view is that this is exactly what the figures show. The health professionals could provide the public with the analysis, but they won’t do it. For some reason they are unable to admit that 90-100% of Covid-related deaths were of the terminally ill, that much of it was by the action of the NHS, and that hardly anyone else was affected any more than normal.

What strikes me, when listening to the public health professionals like Sir Mark Walport, is that they do not rebut these arguments. They do not address them and explain why they are wrong. They just bat them aside with a model, and even discuss the topic of suppressing dissent in case it causes non-compliance. It is shocking that they don’t even feel the need to persuade.

177569 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to WhyNow, #208 of 1528 🔗

But still obvious to many, that that is what happened.

177548 Hoppy Uniatz, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 2, #209 of 1528 🔗

Googling “great barrington declaration transcript” filters out many of the nay-sayers

177576 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 5, #210 of 1528 🔗

Tried ‘ great barrington declaration’ using Google – appalling shite. DuckDuckGo is better.

177893 ▶▶▶ Susan Lundie, replying to JohnB, #211 of 1528 🔗

I had no problem via a link on DT a couple of days ago.

177908 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to JohnB, #212 of 1528 🔗

Yes, much better, one is less ‘the product’.

178220 ▶▶ rms, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, #213 of 1528 🔗

Attached is what I see on Google with prominent attention on the Scottish Gov’t advisor highlighted yesterday.

177556 AN other lockdown sceptic, 1, #215 of 1528 🔗

Tune suggestion –

Rudimental & Major Lazer – Let Me Live


177560 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 7, #216 of 1528 🔗

good article in ’round up’; irony – following polls damages no. 10 approval

doesn’t sound a particularly Churchillian form of leadership Boris

LS comments been pointing this out for months – shows common sense can predict the future..

So the Boris is lead by the people – the people are led by the MSM scaremongering agenda – so who leads the MSM? (certainly not investigative journalism)

177566 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Major Panic, 3, #217 of 1528 🔗

The people are lead by the Fear. Its imperative to keep up the Fear, the ID passports are the end game.

177586 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Major Panic, 4, #218 of 1528 🔗

But if the people want all these harsh restrictions and further lockdowns, why are the government having to hector and berate us for living normally, seeing granny etc, and why do they need to impose such ruinous fines for doing simple everyday things that were perfectly legal this time last year?

It seems like the more the backlash grows, the tighter the restrictions and the enforcement becomes, so it doesn’t seem to me like public opinion is leading them any more, even if it was at the start of this thing.

177601 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to A. Contrarian, 6, #219 of 1528 🔗

Yes. This is not a bottom up movement. It is very clearly top down and manipulative.

Don’t fall for the polling. I meet (still) quite a few people in my line, and the balance of opinion is sceptical.

177900 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ovis, 1, #220 of 1528 🔗

The YouGov poll is the one most often cited and it’s completely rigged.

177661 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #221 of 1528 🔗

Certainly the thumbs up/down for comments on article in papers suggest most are sceptics. But when I sit maskless in the Chinese waiting for food to deliver I feel many are tutting my granny killing ignorance.

But the politicians thinking they are in touch but actually being out of touch is quite common. I believe that a very sceptic opinion poll/focus group would cause a change gov policy – they genuinely believe they are doing a good job….(clueless fcukers)

maybe the focus group organiser/s or polsters have an agenda.

the tail is wagging the dog…

178566 ▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #222 of 1528 🔗

The reason polls seem to suggest that most people are pro lockdown is because certain groups in our society have a lot of paid time on their hands The good news is the furlough scheme ends this month and those people will no longer get most of their wages paid and will soon change their tune if it’s not extended .The other problem is those working in the public sector of which there are over 5 million ,how many are working or off on full pay is anyone’s guess ? .These are the people voting in polls and vocally pro lockdown .After alls said and done if the government offered you a seven month holiday with pay would you want it to end ?. The sooner people realise that these people’s comfort is prolonging the lockdown the sooner things start to make sense .It’s not fearful people walking around in silly masks that is keeping this going, but childish people who want to spend their whole life in their pajamas watching netflicks and eating popcorn .

177671 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Major Panic, 2, #223 of 1528 🔗

I’m afraid you’ve put the horse in the cart.

177697 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to RickH, 2, #224 of 1528 🔗

its the modern way, we tow horses behind our 4x4s nowadays

177730 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 3, #225 of 1528 🔗

Also – I’ve just heard an advert for a superdoopermarket – they are keeping their staff and customers safe, apparently – with masks…

I don’t believe they are trying to educate us – more like they believe most of their customers believe the MSM propaganda and are irrationally fearful in their ignorance…

178013 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Major Panic, 2, #226 of 1528 🔗

johhnson is a cowardly little shit, at the first sign of significant civil disobedience he will back down, run away to hide in a corner blaming everything on ferguson and the wanker.

177563 WhyNow, replying to WhyNow, 24, #227 of 1528 🔗

I am shocked to see the Twitbook comment by an “Independent SAGE” person comparing the Great Barrington Declaration with right wing libertarianism. It is an explicit statement of a totalitarian mindset. “If you disagree with me, you are a bad person”. It is that kind of mindset that we fear lies behind the actions of the health professionals, and then they tell us directly that it is!

177577 ▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to WhyNow, 11, #228 of 1528 🔗

As I said below, this is the problem – it’s not about science, it’s about politics. People, more often on the left, who are smart enough to understand other people’s ideas but not smart enough to formulate their own tend to equate everything with politics so that it can fit into a mental framework they can understand: “good people think this, bad people think that”.

Unfortunately that kills reason and debate. And, it turns out, kills people too – who’d have thunk it

177587 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Jakehadlee, 5, #229 of 1528 🔗

This “pandemic” has been about politics rather than science since it became clear, at the beginning of April, that the left had backed the wrong horse and goal posts would have to be shifted and shifted and shifted until they managed to cover up the catastrophe.

177605 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Will, #230 of 1528 🔗

Boris the spaffing Johnson is hardly ‘the left.’

177595 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to WhyNow, 4, #231 of 1528 🔗

Twitter looks to me like a battleground where different factions get together to play out personal grudges.

177617 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Nobody2020, 10, #232 of 1528 🔗

In my opinion, it’s a collection of echo chambers in which people who agree with each other amplify and radicalize each other. Then, when by accident or design, members of different echo chambers meet each other there, they explode like matter and antimatter into ridiculous performances of shouting matches, descending to death and rape threats and so on. It’s this design that is destroying people’s ability to disagree amicably and constructively, and that will ultimately destroy the public sphere and freedom of speech.

177642 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #233 of 1528 🔗

it takes all sorts on twitter. I don’t have an account (by choice) but I bookmark and read a number of accounts.

I would say your opinion about twitter is not quite correct. Not everyone takes part in these infantile exchanges.

177640 ▶▶ John P, replying to WhyNow, #234 of 1528 🔗

It’s just a smear.

177902 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to WhyNow, 3, #235 of 1528 🔗

“Independent” Sage are basically a bunch of self-serving shills.

177565 Humanity First, replying to Humanity First, 6, #236 of 1528 🔗

Great interview with a brave nurse who speaks the truth.

However, it is clear that…

… the – (A) Incompetent OR (B) Intentionally Duplicitous – government has no interest in truth or facts and is hell bent on stringing this out for as long as it takes to…

… (A) cover its backs OR (B) to fully ensure the ‘nonviable’ parts of the economy/population are disposed of and the foundations of the new ‘green’ society/economy are firmly in place.

Whether you are in the (A) or (B) crowd will determine how you choose to spend your thoughts and energy in opposition to what is happening and where we are going.

177572 ▶▶ WhyNow, replying to Humanity First, 2, #237 of 1528 🔗

The “government” is a handful of public representatives being briefed by civil servants. I doubt they have the time or the inclination to analyse data. The civil servants are the leaders of a bureaucracy whose aim is, not to develop good policy, but to avoid blame in the media. Somewhere down in the depths of hospitals are people who know what is going on, but they are so far removed from “the government” that they could be on Mars.

177907 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to WhyNow, #238 of 1528 🔗

Public representatives??

177571 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #239 of 1528 🔗

Defeating Covid is a smokescreen, they actually want to keep up the Fear to bring on the Health Passport

177638 ▶▶ John P, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #240 of 1528 🔗

I think it has more to do with vaccines.

177720 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to John P, 2, #241 of 1528 🔗

Covid has MORE TO DO WITH a lot of things all of them aren’t virus related.

177575 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 17, #242 of 1528 🔗

You’ve done sterling work providing us that insight. Absolutely great to see but infuriating to read a first hand account as it is. My only question is :

As in the first ‘wave’ we see social media posts from nurses saying they are run off their feet, posting images of them in full PPE, imploring us all to wear a mask, stay home and don’t visit our parents. Why such a contrast with the account here?

Is it because these are isolated areas that are experiencing the run on services?

Is it because they are pushing propaganda?

Is it just virtue signalling when behind the scenes they are not busy at all?

Are they actors (one for teh conspiracy heads)?

Or are they being coerced and feel that relaying the fear message they are doing the right thing so that people follow the guidance?

Absolutely top marks to this Nurse. If she ever suffers from speaking out in terms of her job, get a gofundme on here and I’d happily donate. We need more like them, now!!

177624 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #243 of 1528 🔗

It is propaganda combined with sanctions against anyone who speaks out against the Government’s narrative. There is a petition to try to life the gagging orders here, might help:

177666 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to zacaway, 3, #244 of 1528 🔗

You’re right. It is all too easy – although it shouldn’t be by now – to underestimate the dire effect of a massive brainwashing campaign, even on those who have the testimony of their own eyes.

I don’t think any of us would have expected Orwell’s insights to be so precisely accurate, rather than an illustrative fiction.

178099 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #245 of 1528 🔗

I think most of them are fakes. Some people just have too much time on their hands and make fake posts to suit their own agendas. Nobody who works in the public sector is allowed to make social media posts on behalf of their employer, regardless of content. That’s why they’re always anonymous.

177579 chaos, 2, #246 of 1528 🔗

print ‘look up the great reset’ on paper hundreds of times.. cut them into slivers.. litter them everywhere.. put flyers through doors about the great reset on streets near you… place info about the great reset under windscreen wipers…

177580 alw, replying to alw, 4, #247 of 1528 🔗

Thank you for the excellent edition today which I will forward to family and friends. Also your excellent article in Conservative Woman today Will.


177918 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to alw, 2, #248 of 1528 🔗

Yes. Brilliant article!
Some of the pro-lockdown claims really are outrageous but Will quietly and effectively demolishes them.

Tierney concludes: ‘The lockdowns may have been justified in the spring, when so little was known about the virus and the ways to contain it. But now that we know more, there’s no ethical justification for continuing this failed experiment.’

Yet ministers are once again faced with calls from their ‘scientific advisers’ to impose illiberal and ruinous restrictions on the nation so as not to ‘jeopardise the NHS’s ability to cope’ and to ‘avoid them struggling with large numbers of elderly Covid patients at the height of winter’. Isn’t this what the Nightingale hospitals are for? Why are they being mothballed? It would certainly be far cheaper and proportionate to expand the winter health service capacity than force tens of thousands of businesses to close – with many going bankrupt as a consequence – and once again imprison the entire population in their homes.

177582 chaos, replying to chaos, 4, #249 of 1528 🔗

Get on you.gov etc.. join dozens of times if you can.. let’s try to address or affect the manipulated polls.

177657 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to chaos, 3, #250 of 1528 🔗

You don’t even have to join.

I get on and just keep answering whatever they keep putting up whenever you hit continue.

Must be skewing the results a little bit.

177762 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to chaos, #251 of 1528 🔗

If a person wanted to do such a thing, they’d probably need a service that allowed them to freely create as many email addresses as they wanted.

177920 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to chaos, 1, #252 of 1528 🔗

They select who’s allowed to answer which poll. The questions are blatantly biased in favour of a desired result and there’s no proof (that I’m aware of) of the veracity of the results recorded.

177589 PaulH, 14, #253 of 1528 🔗

Appalling, depressing – and pretty much what I suspected from the start.

All those insulting tiktok videos were a pretty big clue.

How long can they sustain this criminal fraud?

We need an army of Jessicas to sweep them away.

177592 NorthumbrianNomad, 9, #254 of 1528 🔗

This from “Jessica” is powerful and devastating testimony. The most chilling answers she gives are her monosyllabic “yes” and “no” answers, all the more potent in the fog of meaningless words being spouted in all directions by those who are promoting this murderous culture of fear.

177594 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 8, #255 of 1528 🔗

If you continue scrolling through the Google search results, you cannot find it. It has been shadow banned.

Why do people still use Google as a search engine? Try DuckDuckGo and a few others that do not censor information or track your details

177596 ▶▶ John P, replying to Victoria, 3, #256 of 1528 🔗

Victoria, that’s not the point.

Most people use Google.

177611 ▶▶ Tangelo, replying to Victoria, #257 of 1528 🔗

It may sound shallow, but I find the name annoying.

177625 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Tangelo, #258 of 1528 🔗

It’s not the catchiest name.

177737 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Tangelo, #259 of 1528 🔗

Infinitely annoying …

177903 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Tangelo, #260 of 1528 🔗

But you’re happy with Google?

177630 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Victoria, #261 of 1528 🔗

Because my computer is a chromebook and that is the only option.

177714 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #262 of 1528 🔗

I think you can easily change your search engine in Chrome options.

177742 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #263 of 1528 🔗

I’m on a Chromebook too and switched to DuckDuckGo a few months ago – you just can set it as your homepage

177632 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Victoria, 3, #264 of 1528 🔗

The Russian search engine Yandex is pretty good. The results you get from it on certain topics do not show the censorship indulged in by Google. Sorry if this post (in some eyes) makes me a paid agent of Putin .

177634 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #265 of 1528 🔗

Not in mine. I’m a Russophile.

177651 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Victoria, 3, #266 of 1528 🔗

I believe taking tgat step from google to utilising a selection of other search engines is as important as choosing to bin the TV. A whole world of possibilities opens up, freedom begins immediately – within moments.

I know it was the op’s point that the vadt majority of people use google therefore censor google censor the people.

Super-simply cutting and padting your search term into various engines is fast and easy. Well worth it for breath of result.

Google now returned page after page of msm articles telling you what to think about any given subject rather than the various facts on the matter.

177599 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 8, #267 of 1528 🔗

Got an answer back form my MP after a long delay. Below it is his first and only reply many, many months ago:

Many thanks for your recent correspondence which I have read with much interest.

Please do not hesitate to contact me again on any issue where you feel I may be of assistance.

Link to full reply:


Part of my reply – the last bit:

“So all 3 local authorities so far admit they have zero evidence to justify any measures or legislation.

2 local authorities then reiterated this quite clearly.

I think the answer from the DHSC will be very interesting when it is returned and I will send it to you in due course.

So how would you, as a company, write a risk assessment to make sure you are taking the correct steps to keep staff and customers safe while on your premises and how will you defend your measures in court if you are prosecuted under Health and Safety legislation for insufficient or inadequate measures or the council decide to throw their weight around if these bodies cannot supply any evidence that their “covid-safe” guidance (non-enforceable) will protect anyone nor that the legislation is in proportionate and fair and is not just made up out of thin air?

So why is there no scientific evidence available from central Government to local authorities?

So why has there been no research done by the councils themselves if central Government did not supply any?

What “science” is the Government following?

Do the Government even have a semblance of a plan?

Are they now out of control and following a scorched earth policy of deliberate destruction of the economy and society to make a point and meet an outside agenda?”

177659 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #268 of 1528 🔗

My first e-mail to my MP was dated September 13th.

Now – I’m reasonable. I don’t expect an immediate answer; I expect other constituents to have urgent matters to be dealt with, I don’t expect additional information to have a duplication of response etc. etc.

Burt after a month, I would expect something other than weeping about the difficulties of responding in the time of Coronovirus – particularly if I have taken trouble to keep things concise and to the point – and polite re. the absolutely critical issues before parliament over the last month.

But : Zilch.

177736 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to RickH, 1, #269 of 1528 🔗

Heh. I contacted mine pre-‘lockdown’ and have still not has a response.

177760 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to RickH, 2, #270 of 1528 🔗

No politicians, no doctors, no council services, no community rep, all missing in action as far as I’m concerned. Locally anyway.

Self declared community leaders and when they are needed most, they can’t take a moment to look outside their stable.

177724 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #271 of 1528 🔗

I am going to do just this. Can you pm me a template letter to start a FOI request with my own LA?

177746 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #272 of 1528 🔗

Here you go – 3 templates on one file -to Council, to DHSC and follow-up for clarification:


Have fun.

177755 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #273 of 1528 🔗

Good stuff. Much appreciated

177600 smileymiley, replying to smileymiley, 2, #274 of 1528 🔗

Dont know if this has been previously posted but….. Lies, lies, lies!


177623 ▶▶ John P, replying to smileymiley, 3, #275 of 1528 🔗

They are clearly trying to conflate the two, but one of the answers to this posting was this:

What does this mean though? If flu and CV19 stats are reported alongside in same report then fine. If they are aggregated into a single number, that would be insane – there would be no way to track CV19 properly (however, based on past performance I wouldn’t put it past PHE).

177687 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to smileymiley, 3, #276 of 1528 🔗


Weekly Coronavirus Disease surveillance report: Summary of Covid surveillance systems (Year 2020 Week 40)

This will be the last Covid-19 surveillance report, as of 8 October 2020, the information in this report will be published in a combined Weekly flu and Covid-19 Surveillance Report on Gov.uk

177603 Gtec, replying to Gtec, 6, #277 of 1528 🔗

Shocking, truely shocking, but not an unsurprising account I guess. We certainly need many more like ‘Jessica’ (thank you), to hightlight this awful state of affairs. Hopefully, her example will inspire others to come forward too so that such evidence cannot be dismissed simply on the grounds of numbers.

177615 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to Gtec, 2, #278 of 1528 🔗

That’s why the Government is stopping people coming forward. Need to stop that:

177604 zacaway, 7, #279 of 1528 🔗

We need more Jessica’s to come forward to support her story, but the Government’s gagging orders on the NHS are preventing this. A petition has been setup to try to life these gagging orders, so probably worth signing:

Nullify non-disclosure agreements/gagging orders for NHS staff for covid-19


177609 Basics, 7, #280 of 1528 🔗

Simply to make it easier for anyone passing to access here is The Great Barrington Declaration. Have a read, decide for yourself. Sign if you want to. Share if you want to.


177610 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 9, #281 of 1528 🔗

If any police, lawyers, nurses or doctors want to tell their story during this Covid period, or want to help in any way, please contact me at gavinph@protonmail.com

Impressed that Gavin uses protonmail.com that is Swiss encrypted and therefore protecting the identity and information provided by the sender UNLIKE gmail, yahoo and others

177614 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to Victoria, 2, #282 of 1528 🔗

I just discovered them recently and in the process of switching. As they say, if it’s free then you are the product.

177674 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to zacaway, 1, #283 of 1528 🔗

Protonmail is free too.

177721 ▶▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to jb12, #284 of 1528 🔗

True, there is a free tier, but I wanted the extra features of the paid account and am happy to pay to support the service.

177686 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to zacaway, #285 of 1528 🔗

Protonmail.com is free for basic accounts but if you want more functionality or a business account you pay

178384 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Victoria, #286 of 1528 🔗

Protonmail is good; Tutanota is equally encrypted and effective.

177764 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to Victoria, #287 of 1528 🔗

If you’re interested in privacy, you might find this useful information too:

177619 saab93viggen, 13, #288 of 1528 🔗

Just sent to Simon Hoare, Conservative MP for North Dorset:

Dear Mr Hoare,

I wrote to you recently to urge you to vote against the extension of the Coronavirus Act (2020). The automated reply I received suggested that you were busy dealing with COVID-19, which I hope includes time spent looking at the arguments against lockdown measures. Today’s update on Lockdown Sceptics will, I hope, give you cause to vote to repeal the Act at the next review.

177620 Basics, 1, #289 of 1528 🔗

This 2 minute vox-poppery by RT from the streets of Manchster is a nice conterpoint to the expressions from the public in uk msm.


177621 deldor, 23, #290 of 1528 🔗

Utterly sickening, a very brave nurse coming forward to reenforce what we have been told by others. She alluded to the fact that some of her colleagues don’t appear to share her patient centred focus! WTF?

A relative who is a doctors receptionist told me that at the height of the “epidemic” the surgery was closed but they went in to answer phone calls and try to give information to any patients that called. There were days when they simply had so few calls that they were becoming bored out of their brains.

Probably the saddest part was that of the few calls they did get, many said “sorry to bother you we realise you must be rushed off your feet but…”

She said there were days she cried after some calls like that.

177622 Marilyn Shepherd, replying to Marilyn Shepherd, 14, #291 of 1528 🔗

IN Australia in some old folks homes, like around the world, the very old and sick were left to rot and die. One 95 year old had wounds that had been open for weeks in lockdown and were septic and infested with ants, They tried to claim she died of covid, her daughter soon put paid to that and is suing the hospital and government.

177864 ▶▶ annie, replying to Marilyn Shepherd, 3, #292 of 1528 🔗

My God.
There is a God.
There is a hell. Nowhere else can accommodate the doers of such evil.

178166 ▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to Marilyn Shepherd, #293 of 1528 🔗

Do you have a source for this Marilyn? Not doubting you, just want to put this story on a website I’m creating.

177633 Suitejb, replying to Suitejb, 2, #294 of 1528 🔗

Well here’s an MP who knows nothing and doesn’t give a f*ck!
Below is her response to my letter about the 10pm curfew in which I referred to the drastic effects this is having on a hostelry in her constituency. The highlighted bit is mine!
She is in a very safe Tory seat. Lucky her!

‘The 10pm closing time is part of a package of measures designed , as I understand it, to strike a balance between what is reasonable and proportionate to slow the spread of the virus and taking into account usual human behaviour. While I am mindful of statistics the hospitality sector has highlighted and that we learn more daily, there is evidence that social mixing encourages the spread of the virus and we know that if left unchecked, this will lead to a greater level of hospitalisation and tragically a greater level of deaths.

Similar 10pm closures have been enforced in local lockdowns in other parts of the country, which I am told have been one measure among others deemed successful in reducing rates of infection. There are some types of social events that have been deemed excessive and risky, but there are other types of social contact which, it has been assessed, can appropriately be allowed. It is important to strike the right balance here. The belief is that in some environments, especially later in the evening, people can potentially become a bit more relaxed and forget the social distancing and hand hygiene guidelines. As Professor Whitty has said, the solution to this crisis is a collective effort. It is about what we can all do, and notably what we can do to help protect others.

No-one underestimates the challenges the new measures will pose to many individuals and businesses. I know it will not be easy, but I am clear that further action must be taken to control the resurgence in cases of the virus and protect people and the NHS.

Thank you for taking the time to contact me.

Dr Caroline Johnson MBBS MRCPCH’

177648 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Suitejb, 10, #295 of 1528 🔗

which I am told have been one measure among others deemed successful in reducing rates of infection

My response – get off your fat arse and do your own fucking research you spineless shill

177685 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to stefarm, 2, #296 of 1528 🔗

Yes – I think that’s a fair enough response. 🙂

177706 ▶▶▶ Suitejb, replying to stefarm, 2, #297 of 1528 🔗

Exactly what I thought. Told by Hancock no doubt. And does she not know that the 10pm curfew covers everywhere!

177684 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Suitejb, 2, #298 of 1528 🔗

After this debacle safe Tory seats may not be so safe, especially with new parties fighting for our rights and liberties.

177698 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Suitejb, 1, #299 of 1528 🔗


177711 ▶▶▶ Suitejb, replying to Two-Six, 2, #300 of 1528 🔗

Thank you. That’s made my day!

177752 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Suitejb, #301 of 1528 🔗

No trouble at all.

177999 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Suitejb, 1, #302 of 1528 🔗

Does the “doctor” hold a Phd in stupidity?

there is evidence that social mixing encourages the spread of the virus

Maybe you should ask her to to what extent (it’s 5% transfer in hospitality) and to provide proof!

178027 ▶▶▶ TT, replying to Cheezilla, #303 of 1528 🔗

Sounds a bit like you need to be two to have intercourse (or a non-imaginary conversation…).

177636 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 16, #304 of 1528 🔗

After reading about Hunt and Clark (Chairs of Health and Social Care Committee and Science Committee respectively) holding an “independent inquiry” I sent them this e-mail:


Basically it says:

I read in the MSM about your independent inquiry into the handling of the “coronavirus pandemic” and thought I would get in contact with some pretty damning evidence that has never been answered by anyone in authority at any time and both fact totally refute the narrative and any “science” that is being claimed to be followed either today or since March 23rd 2020.

I have already addressed these facts to Mr Hunt previously, another member of the Health and Social Care Committee Mr. Russell and to the Secretary of State Mr. Hancock among many others but have received no answers or polite acknowledgment.

Not even MSM of any description will broadcast them so is OFCOM censoring the press? Or have DSMA notices been issued about the subject matter?

All correspondence, FOI answers etc I reference are available in full from myself, please contact me and I will gladly and willingly supply them as evidence of the mishandling of the situation.

Other evidence is easily found and freely accessible in the public domain using internet search engines.

From previous correspondence to various members of the Government, local authorities etc that have never been addressed or answered by anyone in public:

6 items:

  • PCR test FOI saying positive test means nothing and question:So my question to you both in your positions as Secretary of State for Health and as the Chair of the Parliamentary Committee on Health and Social Care (original e-mail addressed to Mr Hunt and Mr. Hancock) is:


  • the link the DHSC supplied that says PCR tests are basically rubbish – So basically as admitted by the DHSC you are using tests that are “unreliable” to say the least, have no reference standard to double check the accuracy against and that have results that means nothing medically.

Same question as in Item 1 applies.

  • Whitty’s statement on 21 July 2020

Why was he not challenged on this at the time by anyone on the Committee?

Why is this statement not being reported by ANY media outlet?

  • the FOI answers from a few days ago saying no evidence supplied

So how can local authorities be responsible for something they have no evidence to support the actions they are legally responsible for?

  • Prof Robert Dingwalls’ quote on social distancing “it was conjured up out of nowhere”.

How can this be justified as “science based”?

  • the DELVE report justifying masks, included the quotes on masked hamsters and added in about the studies that debunk masks as effective

Added in at least 62 studies that proved masks and face coverings were not effective at stopping transmission of a virus and again, what science is Government following?

Wonder if they ill even read it let alone understand it.

177861 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #305 of 1528 🔗

The top Epidemiologist in Northern Ireland FROM Queens University was on the top BBC talk show for NI (Nolan the mask zealot) on Wednesday night. Its on tbe iplayer still, watch it.

He was asked by Nolan for evidence on masks. He could have chosen any of the pro mask studies which say they ‘may’ help. He chose the masks on hamsters study. Nolan was till using this on his radio show the next day.

I couldn’t believe it. And people can’t step back and just say ‘wait a minute, our public health policy is being dictated by hamsters in masks’

That study was not peer reviews and is it even published? All I fou d was a press release form hong kong University

177886 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #306 of 1528 🔗

Here’s a few links:



There is one study on TB transmission that mentions guinea pigs that I did not notice previously.

When you read in depth nowhere does it ever state “proved or proven” but lots of maybes, mights, possibly, could and so on.

And very little has been repeated independently and got the same results and most not peer reviewed.

No real-life studies unlike the ones from Dr Neil Orr in 1980 onwards thats ere performed in hospitals etc and had verified, definitive results and stated this openly.

177890 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #307 of 1528 🔗

Going through their original report again found this snippet:

“To our knowledge, only two studies have been performed that studied the effectiveness of mask use by the source patient with a viral respiratory infection (mostly influenza) and tracking the development of viral infection symptoms in others.

Both studies used surgical masks and monitored transmission to household members.

Both studies have flaws , the most serious of which were sample sizes that were too low or an unexpectedly mild respiratory virus season.

One additional study examined the rates of viral respiratory tract infection in bone marrow transplant patients when all health care workers and visitors to the hospital ward wore surgical masks in comparison to infection rates prior to the masking period. 21

The study by Canini et al 52 was stopped early because of poor enrollment; the study had only a 38% chance of detecting a 40% additional protection by masking. Not unexpectedly, the study found no masking effectiveness.”

178006 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #308 of 1528 🔗

And they were probably falling about laughing as they relased it.

177641 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 11, #309 of 1528 🔗

I don’t need a test to tell me I’ve got a life threatening virus. I’ll need an ambulance!!!!!

177647 ▶▶ John P, replying to stefarm, 1, #310 of 1528 🔗

No, but you will need treatment for the bite.

177649 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to John P, 1, #311 of 1528 🔗

(That’s a bit cryptic of me, but some may get it).

177887 ▶▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to John P, 1, #312 of 1528 🔗

A riddle?

178582 ▶▶ djaustin, replying to stefarm, #313 of 1528 🔗

You might want the test if it speeds treatment that prevents the infection becoming life-threatening though. Currently about 1/7 people going to hospital aren’t going to come home. They don’t go there on the basis of a test.

177643 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 10, #314 of 1528 🔗

I get the feeling the NHS t & t app is not working in the way it was designed for. Results coming back from over a week show very little incidence of covid linked to pubs and restaurants.

177699 ▶▶ Basics, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #315 of 1528 🔗

Scottish cmo Dentist Jason Leitch said (without citation) on BBC Radio Scotland thursday drive time that hospitality accounts for 20% of Scottist ‘cases’ (rtn’s positive PCR tests). He said the figure in England (PHE he cited) was 5% – he may have said 4% my memory is not clear.

The BBC radio Scotland drive time show is well worth a listen on that day, it was quite an hour of derision over the pub closures hospitality lockdown. Gupta was interviewed also.

177988 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Basics, 2, #316 of 1528 🔗

That’s because the SNP/Medical Establishment are wildly anti alcohol, perhaps with good reason, but they are using Covid to advance their personal political agenda.

178014 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Basics, #317 of 1528 🔗

I’ve seen 5% from various sources.
Wankock claimed it’s 40%!!!

178388 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Cheezilla, #318 of 1528 🔗

You have mis-spelled Wanksock.

177729 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #319 of 1528 🔗

‘… designed for.’ ?!?

178010 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to crimsonpirate, #320 of 1528 🔗

They’ll just carry on inventing stats to suit anyway.

177653 DocRC, replying to DocRC, 31, #321 of 1528 🔗

I am not in active NHS service any more but I know many Doctors, Nurses, Physios, Paramedics etc. who are. Here in the East of England their accounts of empty hospitals and idle staff completely backs up Jessica’s account. Well done for speaking out.

177739 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to DocRC, 6, #322 of 1528 🔗

How can we get them to go public? Do they have gagging orders or fearful for their futures.

Perhaps a website where they could leave anonymous accounts but the issue would be proof that they are in the NHS. It would be refuted otherwise.

177782 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Sarigan, 1, #323 of 1528 🔗

what happened to the A&E consultant who spoke out a number of times on FUtube a couple of months ago – re-programmed presumably

177984 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Sarigan, 2, #324 of 1528 🔗

Everyone from nursing assistants to consultants were warned at the start not to speak to the press or on social media. Guarantees for whistleblowers having been cast aside.

178036 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Sarigan, 2, #325 of 1528 🔗

Jessica says she wasn’t aware of gagging orders, though I’m sure there’s always the implication.

I’ve read consultants and senior doctors saying they’d been warned not to talk to the media.

178058 ▶▶▶ Roy Everett, replying to Sarigan, 3, #326 of 1528 🔗

Possibly off-topic because it relates to nothing to do with coronavirus and lockdowns, but it relates to gagging orders and cover-ups. At the end of an inquest I was ordered by a coroner not to discuss a cause of death outside the room. The press had been barred, apart from the coroner’s verdict. I was visited by the police two weeks later to re-confirm the “gag”, and threaten me with arrest if I spoke about the matter although there was nothing in writing and no court order. I was in a position to be a “whistle-blower” which seems to have spooked the coroner. The inquest was on the death of another person who, though not necessarily a whistle-blower, “knew where the bodies were buried”. That is, he knew the facts (which related to an earlier cover-up of a relatively minor state blunder) and knew the cover-ups and bullying to hide the facts. The UK government and oppression of the population relies on a “Russian Doll” model of successive cover-ups. Yet at the centre of the nest of dolls one finds, not the Devil nor a tyrant with a white cat, but rather a cute confused kitten. Or perhaps a rather feeble coronavirus. It’s not so much that “the cure is worse than the disease” but “the cover-up is worse than the blunder”.
My guess is that in due course (i.e in another ten years) some inquiry will judge that (i) the initial blunder was Boris’s abrupt overturning of decades of experience in handling pandemics and imposing instead an unprecedented national house arrest and obligatory clapping (ii) everything thereafter was a succession of increasingly desperate attempts to cover up the blunder for fear of loss of face or control.

178135 ▶▶▶▶ helen, replying to Roy Everett, #327 of 1528 🔗

Thanks so much Roy. Its harrowing to read but so important. Everyone needs to read this.

177656 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 7, #328 of 1528 🔗

The article referenced in the update today “What price lockdown? That’s the multi-million pound question” is well worth a read. In essence we have valued a C-19 life more than 60 times than cancer, stroke deaths, transplantation etc. That is based upon 5 Quality Life years for each C-19 patient saved (co-morbidities bringing it down) and even if we double that (C-19 patients would live at maximum 9 years if their life had been saved) still NHS would value C-19 patient 30 times more than cancer etc.

And that is in a generous calculation that lockdown saved lives (non-lockdown Sweden lower mortality than UK) and not even taking into account of the inevitably rising costs of non C-19 lockdown deaths rising every day in more cancer deaths, suicides etc.

This type of information must be widely spread to the public. Easy to understand. Why are we valuing C-19 30 times more than cancer? Also explain to the public that the calculation is made in the normal way NHS is doing in how much money we can pay for cancer treatment, screening programs etc. I think the egalitarian way of saying “each life is worth the same in the NHS” might persuade.

177834 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 2, #329 of 1528 🔗

Added to that even the smallest space for the fact CV-19 numbers are inflated via PCR and its even more stark. Criminal. If they had have changed course in May I would have said it was more incompetence, no longer. Its hiding in plain sight

177658 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #330 of 1528 🔗

Reading the nurses’s account must have raised my BP by several points for the day!
Thank you “Jessica” for speaking out.

Here’s some more scam exposure from Malcolm Kendrick:

I suppose most people believe the trials on vaccines for COVID19 will be looking to demonstrate that they reduce the risk of infection, death, or serious illness – or suchlike.

Also, you may have heard that several vaccines could be ready for use early next year 2021. Maybe even later this year.

As Dilbert may retort: Hahahahahahahahahahahaha! Oh, let me pause and wipe away my tears of mirth.

Really. Think about it. Then think a bit more…


177667 ▶▶ John P, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #331 of 1528 🔗

Thanks cheezy, very interesting. I’ve read some of Dr Kendrick’s articles before. He makes some good points, but I didn’t agree with everything he said here:

“Yes, I also accept that we probably should be willing to accept an increased level of risk to tackle the enormous problems caused by COVID19.”

I don’t agree with him on that, but with the rest I probably agree.

177682 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to John P, 7, #332 of 1528 🔗

Good point. The ‘enormous problems’ are caused by political fantasies, not a pretty quotidian virus.

178031 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to John P, #333 of 1528 🔗

I think he’s probably referring to the early days.

He works in care homes as well as hospitals. He did witness several covid deaths and said it wasn’t like anything he’d met before.

Watch here: https://brandnewtube.com/watch/dr-zac-uncensored-with-dr-malcolm-kendrick-live_W2EGf2HuoMorJVI.html

Read here: https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2020/04/17/care-homes-and-covid19/

178075 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, #334 of 1528 🔗

Just had another look at the comment you queried. I’ve just asked him about it and will see what he replies.
Maybe, like Heneghan, he has to tread a fine line and chuck in the occasional appeasement.
To be honest, he’s exposed so much corruption that I’m amazed he hasn’t been bumped off.

177725 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #335 of 1528 🔗

As Dilbert may retort: Hahahahahahahahahahahaha! Oh, let me pause and wipe away my tears of mirth.

Bender used to say Hahahahahaha! Oh, you’re serious ? Let me laugh harder.

177664 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 2, #336 of 1528 🔗

chap on talkradio at mo (11.24) – there is no conspiracy, conspiracy theorists are imagining order where there is chaos….

177713 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to Major Panic, 2, #337 of 1528 🔗

Funny how the “chaos” is all going in one direction.

177791 ▶▶▶ James, replying to zacaway, 1, #338 of 1528 🔗

This is the most organised chaos in the history of the universe.

177665 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 16, #339 of 1528 🔗

The government needs to be reined in! Say no to compulsory vaccination. This is not TB or Polio.


177678 ▶▶ John P, replying to Bella Donna, 7, #340 of 1528 🔗

Well I don’t intend to be vaccinated this time around, though I am not against vaccines in general.

The point is it is personal choice what you allow to be put inside your body.

The other thing to remember is that the concept of “herd immunity” means that not everyone in a given population would need to be vaccinated anyway to eradicate a particular virus.

(A cynic may consider that this is why “herd immunity” was very quickly smeared.)

It’s also worth saying that the smallpox vaccine, which was a smallpox related virus – a variant of a horsepox – could never be given to immune-compromised people. (The chickenpox virus btw is unrelated to the smallpox virus).

177701 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to John P, 9, #341 of 1528 🔗

I have never even thought about not having vaccines before, but how can you help but be suspicious of a vaccine that is rushed and being forced on the populace. It can’t be good if it is compulsory??

177712 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to CGL, 3, #342 of 1528 🔗


177778 ▶▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to CGL, 4, #343 of 1528 🔗

And don’t forget that the manufacturers have been granted total indemnity in the event of adverse effects.

177847 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to CGL, 5, #344 of 1528 🔗

Any informed person would be extremely sceptical – especially given:

  • the government investing heavily sight unseen
  • the granting of indemnity for the product – sight unseen
  • the lack of any rationale for a vaccine against an infection like this – of only moderate effect.
  • the revision of the regulatory framework
  • the financial interests of many government advisors in the pharmaceutical industry.
  • the money invested in useless ‘diagnostic’ testing – and the future financial returns from the same

As the man says – it’s not rocket science.

178897 ▶▶▶▶ Monty Bodkin, replying to CGL, #345 of 1528 🔗

This Covid vaccine is not being rushed at all. They’ve been working on it for years.

177735 ▶▶ Schrodinger, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #346 of 1528 🔗

Excellent new post by Dr. Malcolm Kendrick on the vaccine here


177749 ▶▶ PaulH, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #347 of 1528 🔗

Yep, include me out.

I had this bug over Xmas 2019 and I have nothing to gain at all from this rushed through, liability-free jab.

And seeing that the UK must have got to herd immunity by the end of the spring (how else did the illness fizzle out), I can’t see many others could gain either, especially considering the 99.9% recovery rate.

177759 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to PaulH, 5, #348 of 1528 🔗

I haven’t had it knowingly, but of course given the disease is pretty much indistinguishable from a mild cold (which is after all what it is) for the vast majority of people, I might well have.

It’s rather bizarre that so many medical people are still openly saying this is a serious disease without being ridiculed when it so obviously isn’t. I suppose in large part because so many people have such a vested interest in sustaining the panic.

177910 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #349 of 1528 🔗

I think it’s easy to say as a politician to say they won’t be mandatory. But when it becomes a condition, no doubt pushed by coronaphobes, of getting your kid into a school, of accessing NHS services, of a condition of your own employment. Is that a mandate? Mass vaccination? No, but it’s certainly discrimination and segregation of society.

I see a war coming on this issue. The government has already gone deep on this. They can’t turn back now. Arguments of efficacy or dangers of the vaccine seem to be too late already.

177670 Dr Downunder, replying to Dr Downunder, 34, #350 of 1528 🔗

I am a medico in New South Wales, Australia. As many of your readers will know we have had our own hysterical response to the virus although thankfully the shutdown of normal hospital services here was brief and there are no current restrictions on travel, at least within the state, however visiting in hospitals is still heavily restricted. Compared to Britain life is pretty normal.Of course neighbouring Victoria has seen the imposition of martial law with nightly curfews, home invasions of people organizing outdoor anti-lockdown protests and thuggish policing of ludicrous outdoor mask-wearing regulations. Australia has plans to triple our national debt to deal with this ‘catastrophe’ although as yet not one female under the age of 50 has died with the virus. Total deaths under the age of 70 amount to 30 people out of 20,000 documented infections.

In my travels to various hospitals and talking to many patients about their experience of the ‘changes’ I have been amazed at how accepting of it all people are. I try to point out to them the true risks of the virus (negligible for those of working age); the cost to society of lockdowns (massive); the shining example of sanity and liberty which Sweden has been and how successfully their WHOLE SOCIETY seems to have come through this. It is very rare that I encounter anyone who has seriously questioned the official narrative about this. They are watching Netflix not doing any independent fact-finding. Also there is a worrying lack of concern for the health of society, in particular for the loss of freedom. In New South Wales there is a good proportion of people who think Victoria’s curfew was justified and the argument seems to be that most people in Victoria are OK with it so it’s OK for the government to lock you up in your house without any credible threat. The consensus seems to be: Let’s just sit it out until the vaccine arrives. I must say it feels like I am surrounded by zombies.

Those with a bent to resist the narrative are being demoralized, whether deliberately in readiness for some nefarious New World Order scheme, or accidentally I know not, Still we need to keep talking to people in person or over the phone and trying to turn them one at a time. We need a grass-roots counter pandemic of sanity!

177859 ▶▶ annie, replying to Dr Downunder, 5, #351 of 1528 🔗

It,s the same the whole world over:
It’s the sane who get the blame,
While the sadists get the pleasure.
To our governments the shame.

177933 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, #352 of 1528 🔗

Brilliant 🌝

177929 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Dr Downunder, 3, #353 of 1528 🔗

Yup, I have that conversation 3-10 times a day, nobody even says ‘best to be on the safe side’ anymore but many say ‘because we got to’.
Thing is they no longer actually believe.

177677 Roy Everett, 3, #354 of 1528 🔗

I am reminded of the episode (at 22min 31 sec) of Yes, Minister called The Compassionate Society on an entirely empty hospital, although the power balance is different. Satire becomes reality!

177679 alw, replying to alw, 2, #355 of 1528 🔗


Map shows COVID paying attention to geographical boundaries. There are different labs serving the North West; North East; Yorkshire and Humber; East of England and Midlands and the map gives a good indication of where they draw their samples from. 1/9

Likewise there are several London labs serving different areas. A real infectious disease does not respect geographical boundaries in this way. 2/9

Plus the ‘infection’ is still disproportionately in young adults. Real COVID outbreaks spread within a week to other age groups and within two weeks to every age group. The rise in the young is now 2 months old. 3/9

Rise in other ages is real but tiny. The rise in young adults cannot be real COVID. 4/9


I have huge respect for all the hard work that staff in our labs have carried out throughout the pandemic. But these results raises questions, not about their competence but about how we are testing. 5/9

Different kits are being used by different laboratories. I don’t know which. But for example the Seegene kit has not been checked by the manufacturer for cross reactivity with EBV. 6/9
https:// fda.gov/media/137178/d ownload

Even a low rate of cross reactivity e.g. 10% of the time could produce the picture we are seeing. 7/9

This is not just a hypothetical problem. Sweden had a problem with the BGI kit in late August resulting in 3,700 false positive results which they quickly spotted through cross checking results. 8/9


Positive results need to be cross checked with a different kit in a different lab. 9/9

177924 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to alw, 1, #356 of 1528 🔗

The yellow for Devon is entirely accounted for by cases at Plymouth and Exeter Universities.

177680 John weaver, 15, #357 of 1528 🔗

99% of us haven’t got the virus. If those who do get the virus. 99% will survive it. Lockdown kills all of us from the inside. Destroying businesses and the supply chains which do not stop at our borders. This is madness. Resource those who are at risk with appropriate info , materials and possibly finance. The rest of us crack on with making the UK viable.

177681 Paul, replying to Paul, 13, #358 of 1528 🔗

I posted the other day about my parents getting letters from test and trace telling them to isolate because my niece,who they haven’t seen for a month,had tested positive at university.
Yesterday they received a phone call from test and trace to check that they were still isolating,which they most certainly aren’t.My mum asked the chap why they would need to isolate when they haven’t been in physical proximity to my niece for a month,the response,’No you wouldn’t need to,perhaps it is someone else you have been in contact with,best to isolate to be on the safe side’ !,this was after he had already confirmed my niece is the contact.

177709 ▶▶ John P, replying to Paul, 13, #359 of 1528 🔗

Caller must be very bored. Can the call number not be blocked?

I use an answering machine to screen my calls. If the caller does not leave a name and number to return the call I ignore them.

177852 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to John P, 2, #360 of 1528 🔗

I have followed that policy for a good number of years ever since the PPI scandal. A few years back I got into a spat with HSBC because they has charged an account but hadn’t left any messages to warn me. They had phoned but it was an unknown number. Turned out it wasn’t policy to leave measages. Handy that.

177919 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Paul, 2, #361 of 1528 🔗

That person was working for “Isolation Ensurence”, they will have had 3 hours training having previously handled complaint calls for Argos.

178008 ▶▶▶ Roy Everett, replying to karenovirus, 3, #362 of 1528 🔗

My maths skills tell me I’m 97% certain to get a call from a re-trained Argos girl telling me isolate because my estranged wife’s grandmother in New Zealand has tested positive after her throat swab was tortured by 40 cycles in the qPCR machine, so I ought to stay indoors for a year to 2be on the safe side”. I’m preparing my script and telephone manner in readiness, but suspect the terms and conditions of this site would be inhibit my publishing my first draft here until I tone down the language! 😉

177689 Julian, replying to Julian, 12, #363 of 1528 🔗

Lord Sumption in The Sun – his language is getting stronger all the time. Good to see The Sun featuring sceptical messages: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12886627/lord-sumption-government-death-toll-coronavirus-crisis/

177990 ▶▶ Roy Everett, replying to Julian, 2, #364 of 1528 🔗

The Lockdown might well be defeated by courts, then, but I’m not holding my breath, after the judgment in the Gina Miller case and the current make-up of this new Supreme Court.

177695 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Leemc23, 9, #366 of 1528 🔗

That’ll me me never going outside, and working from home permanently.
My children may soon be motherless.

177705 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to CGL, 2, #367 of 1528 🔗

it says “where social distancing is impossible”.

(I still very strongly disagree with it, but it’s not quite as bad as wearing them outside in all circumstances.)

177733 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Leemc23, 9, #368 of 1528 🔗

Don’t be astonished. The BMA is a trade union.

177837 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #369 of 1528 🔗

The issue is how trade unions and professional bodies have been captured by the establishment.

178021 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to RickH, 2, #370 of 1528 🔗

Common Purpose ? 🙂

177691 Crazy Hoarse, 20, #371 of 1528 🔗

Jesus Christ that NHS story is horrific. Well done that lady for giving that interview, this is the scandal to end all scandals, maybe it’ll be over by Christmas

177702 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 5, #372 of 1528 🔗

Just watched this. ”… just how big a liar is he?”


177765 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Banjones, 2, #373 of 1528 🔗

Despicable liars. Boris is looking crap, his skin is like putty, his hair is falling out.

177853 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Two-Six, 2, #374 of 1528 🔗

Reminds me of Scabbers.
Who was a faithful servant to Voldemort: ‘will of death’.

177871 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Two-Six, 1, #375 of 1528 🔗


177716 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 28, #376 of 1528 🔗

Here’s my criteria for voting at the next election. I will never vote for someone who has either:

Taken the knee


Worn a face nappy.

That cuts the field down a bit me thinks!

177728 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Harry hopkins, 7, #377 of 1528 🔗

That leaves Nigel Farage

177797 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Dan Clarke, 5, #378 of 1528 🔗

..,. which is an even more depressing thought.

177750 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Harry hopkins, 5, #379 of 1528 🔗

Spoilt ballot paper yet again with “none of these fucking idiots” written cross it.

Or Simon Dolan was saying he would assist with costs if anyone wants to stand against a pro-lockdown MP.

177931 ▶▶ Ben Shirley, replying to Harry hopkins, 5, #380 of 1528 🔗

This will be an uncomfortable fact for some, myself included, but the SDP became openly anti-lockdown in September.

177947 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Ben Shirley, 1, #381 of 1528 🔗

Scares me, first time I’ve agreed with the SDP on anything.

Strange times.

178326 ▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #382 of 1528 🔗

SDP is the party.

177717 Nic, replying to Nic, 16, #383 of 1528 🔗

I think many of the people who head the various medical bodies are common purpose , and marxists. This has become political now theses people want to destroy society and bring in communism.
Masks outside I’d like any doctor to try to justify how wearing a mask at nearly all times is in anyway beneficial to health.
I bet I couldent find one.
This nonesense has to stop and the people are the only ones who can do that.
Ignore rules such as stopping different households meeting ,ignore the rule of 6 there is going to be a serious breakdown of law and order if this continues
The only reason th Blm protests happend was because of the lockdown it can all happen again if they continue this.

177800 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Nic, 3, #384 of 1528 🔗

F.me! There goes another hobby horse that needs to be put down.

Could be a 77th Brigade posting, I guess.

178018 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to RickH, #385 of 1528 🔗

So could yours, Rick. 🙂

Common Purpose has been a big player over the last couple of decades. UKColumn have done a lot about them. Also cpexposed.com

177914 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Nic, 2, #386 of 1528 🔗

The shop and care workers will be among the first to become mask infected since they have to wear them 8-12 hours a day 6 days a week poor bastards.

177726 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 9, #387 of 1528 🔗

So if doctors want masks mandatory, why are the elderly dying alone when the solution would be a face mask?

177784 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #388 of 1528 🔗

I think I’d be a bit wary of any doctor who is unable to assess the utility of mask wearing!

177967 ▶▶▶ Roy Everett, replying to RickH, #389 of 1528 🔗

I think there is some confusion here between the wearing of facemasks by the general public, and the wearing of masks by doctors and others treating patients, especially those with suspected viral respiratory illnesses.

177727 Mabel Cow, replying to Mabel Cow, 9, #390 of 1528 🔗

Using the chart I posted earlier today , and in the spirit of testing my beliefs, I would like to present my thoughts on the extent to which the lockdown may or may not have influenced the shape of the deaths-with-COVID curve.

In April, the WHO said , “The incubation period for COVID-19, which is the time between exposure to the virus (becoming infected) and symptom onset, is on average 5-6 days, however can be up to 14 days.” Given the uncertainty in all of the data that I am using, and at the risk of over-estimating the incubation period, I’m going to use a figure of one week .

In a report dated 16-24 February 2020 that was based on their findings in China, the WHO said, “Among patients who have died, the time from symptom onset to outcome ranges from 2-8 weeks.” This is a large spread, and I have no idea of the shape of the distribution, so I’m just going to split the difference and use five weeks . I have no idea if this is a valid assumption and it is the key weakness in my assessment.

Adding these two figures together gives me an estimate of six weeks for the average time between exposure to SARS-CoV-2 and death from COVID-19 (one week incubation, five weeks symptomatic-to-death).

The chart shows the peak of deaths-with-COVID occurring around 17 April 2020.

Using my six-week estimate, I therefore conclude that the peak of SARS-CoV-2 infections occurred six weeks earlier, on 6 March 2020.

Mr Johnson told the nation to stay at home on 23 March. This is the date that I am using as the start of lockdown.

So, the question becomes:

If the infections peaked on 6 March 2020, and the lockdown did not start until 23 March, to what extent should one believe that the lockdown was a key driver in reducing the number of deaths-with-COVID that subsequently occurred?

My personal conclusion is that the epidemic was already burning itself out even before the lockdown measures were introduced and so it would be unsound to claim that lockdown was a key driver in reducing deaths-with-COVID .

177753 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #391 of 1528 🔗

Confirmed by CMO Whitty remember on 21 July 2020:

“If you look at the R, and the behaviours, quite a lot of the change that led to the R going below one occurred well before, or to some extent before, the 23rd, when the full lockdown started.”

Here is a link to a video I had made for me by parliamentlivetv of the relevant section of the committee hearing:

It’s 23 MB so too big too e-mail.

You can download it yourself on their website – set the start time at 10:58:00 and end time as 11:01 – their instructions are easy to follow.

177795 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Mabel Cow, 4, #392 of 1528 🔗

I think that is widely accepted, even given some minor variation in precise dates.

The last concert I was involved with was on 7th March. It was a good audience, packed quite closely together. Almost at the peak of infection.

I’ve often thought (admittedly pointlessly), given all the post-hoc constraints, that it would be interesting to know how many in that audience contracted Covid-19.

177868 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to RickH, 4, #393 of 1528 🔗

I can’t say that I was surprised by the outcome of my analysis, I just needed to run the numbers for myself as part of my “What I Believe” campaign.

Given that you have demonstrated yourself to be an uncommonly sharp observer who is unafraid of upsetting people, do you have any comments on my “beliefs”?

  1. COVID-19 is no more deadly than the flu.
  2. The virus is not the disease. The PCR test is fatally flawed.
  3. Masks don’t stop viruses, but they can harm the wearer.
  4. Lockdown has caused more lost years of life than COVID-19.

I’m feel that I’m getting to the point where I need to start some kind of campaign based on them, but I’m uncomfortable with the lack of criticism that they have received here. The air outside the echo chamber is definitely colder than the air within.

177873 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Mabel Cow, #394 of 1528 🔗

We don’t contest facts. We leave that to the Grauniad.

178012 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Mabel Cow, #395 of 1528 🔗

They look good to me Mabel.

177955 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to RickH, 1, #396 of 1528 🔗

I attended an orchestral concert on 14 March. One unusual thing I did notice was an almost complete absence of coughing and throat-clearing between movements. I presume people were suppressing such behaviour for fear that they might be thought to be potentially spreading the virus.

177957 ▶▶ Roy Everett, replying to Mabel Cow, 5, #397 of 1528 🔗

I started tracking the figures around March. Right from the start, which for me when the supposedly exponential rate of rise of new cases emerges from the background noise, “the curve was always bending downwards”, and eventually went over a peak. Although the peak was after the lockdown, the prior data rather closely fitted the Farr Curve (more specifically a normal distribution) which, if continued, would peak around mid April. It did, though I was somewhat caught out by the Gompertz decline (asymmetry, long decay time) that followed. In short, IMHO there is no evidence from the UK figures that the first lockdown had any effect: the outbreak had already established itself as a short, sharp one (40 days?) with a reasonably well-predictable cumulative eventual total of the order of 100,000 to 300,000 (dependent on model) cases, certainly not millions.

I took my eye off the ball and didn’t closely track the figures into August, which is when testing mania caught on. It looks to me as though the supposed “second wave” is a fake, rather than being a common pattern from previous outbreaks. If it were real, the deaths would follow a similar pattern. I’m guessing the second wave is a casedemic brought on by unprecedented mass testing with a non-negligible false positive element, rather than a real epidemic caused by normal life or even student socialization. My feeling now is that the government is panicking because the population, up till now amazingly tolerant and lapping up the message that we are war with a mortal enemy, has rejected the propaganda and is revolting.

177731 p02099003, replying to p02099003, #398 of 1528 🔗

I don’t think the average/mean age is 82 years, I think that is the median, for a normal distribution they are the same but for other distributions they are not the same. If you have three people with salaries of 20,000, 40,000 and 90,000. The mean is 50000 but the median is 40000.

177748 ▶▶ Dr Downunder, replying to p02099003, 1, #399 of 1528 🔗

At least in Australia more than 90% of deaths have been in people over 70, and well more than half are over 80 so both the mean and median ages of death are over 80. Sweden’s figures are similar with more than 85% of deaths over age 70.


177781 ▶▶ RickH, replying to p02099003, 2, #400 of 1528 🔗

In this instance, and for these numbers, I think the mean and median are close together for all practical purposes.

177743 Karen Eade, replying to Karen Eade, 37, #401 of 1528 🔗

Jessica’s interview is distressing to read, and frightening. Enough other nurses have said similar things for me not to doubt her.
My neighbour died 3 weeks ago of bowel cancer: her urgent treatment was cancelled on lockdown and she was abandoned to die. My husband was discharged from hospital hours after nephrectomy when lockdown was announced and abandoned at home with no after care and no guidance. Despite post-operative problems, the GP wouldn’t see him, the District Nurse didn’t call and his Consultant follow-ups were cancelled. Thankfully, he has now recovered and we are fine, but it was a frightening experience.
Then there is the issue of the changes to the death registration procedures. Very worrying. My best friend’s neighbour died of dementia but covid was on her death certificate. I know indirectly of many similar examples of covid being cited but the deceased did not have covid. So I know the death figures don’t stack up.
I wish I understood what was happening in Italy at the outset of all this (February time?) with all the bodies allegedly piling up. It seems to me this is what triggered the mayhem over here.
I can’t swallow massive global conspiracy theories, but wish I understood why our Government doesn’t pull back from this hell and unwind some of the damage it has created.
Finally, I just want to say that the aspect which most distresses me at present – apart from the cognitive dissonance – is the secret hell so many are enduring in nursing homes. Poor souls who cannot see their sweethearts of maybe 60 years. Who cannot see their children. Who sit alone in their rooms, day after day, staring at the walls, seeing no-one except the occasional member of staff who is anonymised and obscured – cloaked in plastic and masked. Such incredible cruelty.

177785 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Karen Eade, 15, #402 of 1528 🔗

Why did the government deny the use of HCQ for Covid? France removed it from over-the-counter sale in February after the Chinese had said that is was an effective treatment for the disease. Early stage intervention would have saved many people from premature death.

Why are face masks being mandated? No use for reducing spread of Sars-Cov-2, but very good at inducing infections in the wearers.

OK, your government loves you.

177823 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to PastImperfect, 9, #403 of 1528 🔗

Because HCQ (if used correctly) prevents most people from dying and is also dirt cheap. The dug companies would then not be able to see their more lucrative drugs (that don’t really work that well). The so-called pandemic would have been over too quickly.

177831 ▶▶▶ Dr Downunder, replying to PastImperfect, 4, #404 of 1528 🔗

The lockdown will end when you can say “I love Big Brother”

177911 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Dr Downunder, 1, #405 of 1528 🔗

Every time you see johnson or his crew shout out in Policey fashion


177840 ▶▶▶ Jim Sks, replying to PastImperfect, 4, #406 of 1528 🔗

According to a comment on Kendrick’s blog:

“Probably one important reason that the HCQ+ cocktail has been lambasted so much is that acknowledging it as a medicine would prevent the vaccines to get the emergency use authorization (in the USA) as that requires that there is no medicine available yet.”

177926 ▶▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Jim Sks, 3, #407 of 1528 🔗

Jim Sks you are correct, if an alternative medication is available in The US the authorities cannot use emergency measures to push a vaccine through. Otherwise they would have to go through full length testing, which can take years.

177923 ▶▶▶ Roy Everett, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #408 of 1528 🔗

{ Why did the government deny the use of HCQ} Perhaps because word went out that it was also being “touted” by Trump? At that time, any policy, medication, treatment or opinion that Trump supported was automatically blacklisted by The Guardian/BBC complex. (I’ll take a rain check on Big Pharma/Big Vaccine conspiracy theory for the moment, though it sounds plausible.)

177945 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to PastImperfect, 2, #409 of 1528 🔗

But France had a large shipment of it sent from China to the French Army months ago.

Why would they do that?

I have a video of it being looked at prior to it being received at the French Army main supply warehouse.

177848 ▶▶ annie, replying to Karen Eade, 4, #410 of 1528 🔗

Your poor neighbour, you poor husband, poor you.

The evidence at the trial of the guilty will reach from here to the moon and back. The real moonshot.
They will pay.

177744 Will, 4, #411 of 1528 🔗

Have we had confirmation yet that students are double counted? Once at their university and once at their home address?

177745 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 8, #412 of 1528 🔗

New entry rules for the Canary Islands are coming, in order to have a “safe corridor. This has been negotiated with the Central Government and Local Government to promote tourism and 40% of the local economy relying on this.How does this grand scheme look like?
Everybody entering Canary Islands must have a neg PCR test 72 hours before.(paid by yourself)
Then have a fabulous holiday with mandatory mask wearing enforced by three police and para military forces. All population are mask fanatics and you have to have it everywhere including beaches.
After that relaxing holiday you the have to take a PCR test 72 hours before you leave and this is freely available. If you are unlucky and it is positive or false positive you have to stay at the expense of the Canary gov. for a further two weeks in isolation but well looked after but inside a form of golden prison. In case you get ill you will have the privilege of treatment in hospital totally free. After that time you can return to your home country. There is no indication of paying compensation for lost time off work etc.
So if you are planning a family holiday to Canary Island. Welcome!


177772 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to swedenborg, 3, #413 of 1528 🔗

I guess this will be implemented everywhere eventually, linked to the so-called health passport. I fail to understand why anyone would want to risk international travel under these circumstances ever again. I recall the story from a couple of days ago about the four young british women trapped in Sicily and held in solitary confinement for three weeks due to the need to have two consecutive negative test results.

177786 ▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to godowneasy, 1, #414 of 1528 🔗

They can’t close or control the Schengen borders like that, if you go by car.
Of course, as a Briton, one has to get over the Channel first.

177820 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Jay Berger, 1, #415 of 1528 🔗

I did notice Schengen was thrown under a bus earlier this year

177829 ▶▶▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #416 of 1528 🔗

It would be for all passengers whether Schengen or not

177905 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to godowneasy, 1, #417 of 1528 🔗

Getting we proles to make the decision to stop flying without resorting to taxes, the law or rationing was soon latched onto the plan.

178007 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to godowneasy, #418 of 1528 🔗

People have families in other countries.

People really don’t think governments should be able to stop them travelling.

Goingdown a bit too easy there. 🙂

177895 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to swedenborg, #419 of 1528 🔗

No thanks then. Good luck to them because whilst a number will fall for this out of desperation for some Winter sun, many won’t and the Canaries are hugely dependant on tourism.

177747 Caramel, replying to Caramel, 4, #420 of 1528 🔗

The Guardian’s smear piece about The Great Barrington Declaration. People used fake names on an online petition! Stop press! http://archive.today/H6OyR

177766 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Caramel, 1, #421 of 1528 🔗

They should show the evidence. 5% of fake names?

177770 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Caramel, 2, #422 of 1528 🔗

they are only claiming 5% – so at least 95% are genuine!!!

177806 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Major Panic, 2, #423 of 1528 🔗

95% more than t&t false names. When it means something people are happy to put the name to something that could change our life

177888 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Major Panic, #424 of 1528 🔗

97% surely

177968 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #425 of 1528 🔗

probably, I didnt read it, 95 or 97% – its plenty genuine…

178041 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Major Panic, 1, #426 of 1528 🔗

Sorry, that was a Thermaggedon ‘scientific consensus’ related ‘joke’.

177771 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Caramel, 3, #427 of 1528 🔗

Sky News discovered 18 self-declared homeopaths in the list of expert names and more than 100 therapists whose expertise included massage, hypnotherapy and Mongolian khoomii singing.

Out of 15,000! Not worth the paper it is written on. Well and truly debunked.

177969 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Sarigan, #428 of 1528 🔗

that must be their attempt at ”investigative journalism”

177779 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Caramel, 4, #429 of 1528 🔗

Guardian does propaganda for the Govt, who knew? Surely every single petition gets some fake responses (probably shills) and oh dear, homeopaths? I read somewhere that the royals use homeopaths ;-). MW

177843 ▶▶▶ Jim Sks, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 1, #430 of 1528 🔗

The Guardian’s global development site is funded by the Gates Foundation.

177827 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Caramel, 4, #431 of 1528 🔗

The Guardian fell over themselves with the “97% of climate scientists agree that man is contributing significantly to warming”. Even though it was 77 people and a very vague catch all for what is considered man having an effect. It was demolished as pure shite soon after.

They still use it today from time to time.

Same as the Gender Pay Gap

177756 Coronamoana, replying to Coronamoana, 6, #432 of 1528 🔗

This is wrong And I despair. The government are blinkered on their course and will not listen to anyone or anything. What on earth can we do or say?

177897 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Coronamoana, 1, #433 of 1528 🔗

We lent them the power for the first lockdown, they have abused it and they do not have our permission to do it again.

They are cowards as can be seen by the way they are creeping Second Lockdown across the country. Disobey in whatever way you feel you can, like all cowards they will back down from confrontation.

177757 Mark Mitchell, replying to Mark Mitchell, 5, #434 of 1528 🔗

not sure why we are told the public avoid hospitals and doctor’s surgeries for fear of catching virus. I was bombarded with SMSs and emails telling me to stay away, so I would assume a lot of people were told the same. Other than Witty telling us the NHS was open for business the other week I have not been told otherwise.

177839 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Mark Mitchell, 1, #435 of 1528 🔗

So that you can’t see there’s nothing happening in the hospitals.

177761 Richard, replying to Richard, 6, #436 of 1528 🔗

Just sent today’s update to MP – simply said you should read this it’s powerful stuff – response within 10 minutes – saying thank you and will read. Let’s get this everywhere.

177773 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Richard, 2, #437 of 1528 🔗

My MP has it too

177763 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 4, #438 of 1528 🔗
177862 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to PastImperfect, #439 of 1528 🔗

Well done that lady. People who are pushing masks are EVIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

177768 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 1, #440 of 1528 🔗


 Unfortunately, this is an important but rather bad news tweet: The remarkably synchronous flare-up of cases in Russia and Canada is very likely evidence that Covid-19 is significantly seasonal

177783 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to swedenborg, 3, #441 of 1528 🔗

Amplified by the lockdowns especially when UVB and Vitamin D I take would have been higher.

177804 ▶▶ Dr Downunder, replying to swedenborg, 1, #442 of 1528 🔗

Similar but more blunted picture in Sweden where cases have risen from ~300/day to ~900/day since late August but there has not been an uptick in intensive care admissions (<5 per day) or deaths ( <5/day) as yet.

The link below has the latest statistics from the Swedish Public Health Department.
Avlidna are deaths.


177817 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Dr Downunder, 1, #443 of 1528 🔗

Everything points to seasonality in Europe IcelandPoland,Finland


And also northern part US,New York,Illinois

177858 ▶▶▶▶ Dr Downunder, replying to swedenborg, #444 of 1528 🔗

What you say might be true but I can’t read those tiny graphs on your twitter link. Do you have anything resembling the beautiful Swedish data I linked above.

178638 ▶▶▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Dr Downunder, #445 of 1528 🔗

If you double click on the actual picure in the tweet at least in my experience you get a very nice and enlarged picture

177841 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Dr Downunder, 1, #446 of 1528 🔗

But how much has the testing been ramped up there?

177921 ▶▶▶▶ Dr Downunder, replying to IanE, #447 of 1528 🔗

I don’t know the answer to that but I suspect it was already in full swing by your Summer. Certainly here in Australia we had excellent testing capacity (4 tests per 1000 population per day) by May.

178650 ▶▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to IanE, #448 of 1528 🔗

Russia has had a very high PCR testing from the beginning.They had the first peak and then went down but stoppd at a rather high level.This seems to be typical of a very large country in several timezones a bit similar as the US.But now with autumn coming a clear steep rise.Very difficult to be explained by just more testing.

177813 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to swedenborg, 2, #449 of 1528 🔗

No real surprise given Australia and New Zealand. But where are the deaths?? Sent from Holyrood Park

177833 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to swedenborg, 2, #450 of 1528 🔗

Why is a seasonal return surprising?
We were saying that the government would dress this up a Second wave months ago.

177844 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to swedenborg, #451 of 1528 🔗

The follow-up tweets are interesting, looking at Aus and NZ. UV light may be implicated, and if so, I guess it will be seasonal – in some parts of the world.

177877 ▶▶▶ Dr Downunder, replying to Tenchy, 1, #452 of 1528 🔗

The infection was eliminated in both countries during Autumn coincident with stringent lockdowns. Restrictions were eased very slowly during early Winter. Both countries had apparent lapses in quarantine of returning overseas citizens during Winter. NZ stopped their break-out with a brief lockdown. Victoria’s much larger epidemic spread to New South Wales which has contained it with very adept contact tracing and fairly mild anti-social measures. Victoria had a brutal martial law style lockdown to compensate for leftist mismanagement of their state over many years. The premier Dan Andrews is a classicist like BoJo would you believe? In any case total deaths due to respiratory illness are well down on normal this year in Australia as seasonal influenza has been all but eliminated.

In short although I have no doubt that the virus spreads much easier in cool low UV light conditions the antipodean epidemics have been very limited compared to elsewhere and their time course has related mainly to breaches in quarantine.

177928 ▶▶▶▶ helen, replying to Dr Downunder, #453 of 1528 🔗

Please watch for up to date progress on the German peoples inquiry .. Sitzung Corona Ausschuss.


Very good web site also ACU2020

178074 ▶▶▶▶ WhyNow, replying to Dr Downunder, #454 of 1528 🔗

It’s not eliminated. That means never to arise again. It is suppressed. Of course you suppress an infection if you isolate. That’s what isolation wards are for. The question is whether you can have a functioning society and economy if it depends on perpetual isolation.

177846 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to swedenborg, 3, #455 of 1528 🔗

Not unfortunate, not important, not bad news. The countries of the Northern hemisphere will be experiencing their normal seasonal rise in respiratory illnesses. Like here in the UK these cases will be claimed for ‘CV19’ due to a massive rise in testing and hence false positives. Of course the incidence of coronaviruses is seasonal. What’s new? Oh, its SIGNIFICANTLY seasonal! Honestly.

Why propagate drivel?

178605 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, #456 of 1528 🔗

I think it is important that this is now clearly seasonal.This will put all politicians in a dilemma.All SD and mask mandate (like in Canada/US States) is not working as planned and they have the option of serious national lockdown(locking in the healthy)which might freeze the situation very shortly and they know it won’t work apart from the astronomical costs.Then they have the psudo lockdown pub closures annoying things which has not worked at all and just increased the anger at the gov. They are being forced into a situation to accept that this virus is unstoppable and they have now to be confronted to deal with it.And there is only one sensible option which they have to swallow sooner or later.

177869 ▶▶ annie, replying to swedenborg, #457 of 1528 🔗

Maybe why the latest round of local jailings is having no effect.

177904 ▶▶ Mark, replying to swedenborg, #458 of 1528 🔗

Is that remotely surprising?

178629 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Mark, #459 of 1528 🔗

No it is not surprsing.But in the thing we called casedemic in the summerperiod with insane masstesting detecting false pos,asymptomatic and recovered cases we have now in the autumn also clear new true cases.They are coming at the same latitude just as Hope Simpson predicted for flu.It will become our 5th common Corona virus following seasonality.All the hope that C-19 would disappear like SARS and MERS has gone.And bad news for Australia/NZ island nations pacific.This virus is unstoppable and will be added to the 200 respiratory viruses we already have.Test and trace,contact tracing,quarantaine border closure are all useless.

177775 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 32, #460 of 1528 🔗

My response to my MP who was defending the measures taken by the government.

Dear xxxxxxxx

Thank you for your response to my email.

I must take issue with some of the things you have said.

The measures taken by this government have been neither temporary nor proportionate for a virus that has affected (not killed) 0.5% of the U.K’s population, most of whom were asymptomatic. The vast majority of deaths were in people over 80 or with several co-morbidities. The last flu season was fairly weak, so many of the elderly had survived it, only to be taken a few months later by the Coronavirus.

I think we all supported the idea of a three week lockdown because of a novel virus, in order to get the NHS up to speed. Once the Nightingale hospitals were built, everything should have been allowed to open up again. In the event, the hospitals were barely needed. In Wales for example, 17 field hospitals were built at a cost of £160 million. I believe that only the Cardiff one ever received patients, and then only 36, which works out at over £4 million per patient. I would imagine that it is similar in England.

Staffordshire built a 500 capacity mortuary on the County showground which was never needed and had plans to build another.

You may well say that we had to plan for the unknown. The age profile of those worst affected by the virus was already known from a study of 80,000 people in China, back in February. Likewise, information from the Diamond Princess indicated that only 30% of the ships passengers and crew tested positive and the vast majority had no symptoms. The ship acted as a floating Petrie dish.

Even early on in March. Professor Michael Levitt of Stamford university in the US was writing to Neil Ferguson to tell him that his calculations were out by a factor of 10 to 12.  Professor John Ioannadis at the same time, was calling the reaction to the pandemic, the biggest fiasco ever.  Even Fauci, the CMO of America, called the Infection Fatality rate at 0.13.  COVID-19 was taken off the High consequence infectious disease list by all the health bodies in the U.K. on March 19th before lockdown, because the fatality rate was low.

You talk about MPs scrutinising the government , yet the 10 o’clock curfew vote has been postponed until next week and there are rumours that it will be postponed indefinitely. Where is that scrutiny? I had hoped that Sir Graham Brady and Steve Baker et al would have provided stronger opposition to their own party in the light of the fact that we currently have no credible opposition whatsoever and are being ruled by fear, manipulation of data and statutory instruments.

The government has clearly painted itself into a corner and now needs a ladder to escape. When hospitalisations and deaths do not match up to the vast increases in the number of positive PCR tests, they will be able to say that it was the measures taken which helped to reduce the danger, when it was nothing of the sort.

Ministers seem to have very little understanding of the major flaws in the PCR tests themselves. They were never meant to be used for diagnosis and the number of cycles, used to amplify the tiniest fragment of viral DNA, would show that we all carried the virus if that number of cycles were high enough. The test cannot differentiate between dead virus, incapable of infecting someone, or live virus which is capable of reproducing and causing illness. Both Spain and Belgium have reduced the number of cycles they use to signify a positive test. They look also at the number of hospitalisations, intensive care use and deaths rather than the numbers of positive tests.

You may be interested to know that a team of lawyers and doctors in Germany are taking Christian Drosten from the Charite clinic in Berlin (he rushed to develop the PCR test which was first used in China), the head of the WHO, Tedros Ghebreyesus and others, to court as a result of their actions.

You also welcome the chance to vote on England wide or U.K. wide changes, yet many of the changes which need scrutiny have been brought in by stealth under the local lockdown scheme so will not be voted upon.

My husband and I both voted for you in the last election and we are aware that you are working very hard for the city. Unfortunately, come the next election, MPs will be judged on how they stood up to a government, and in particular a health minister who are out of their depths.

177809 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Margaret, 3, #461 of 1528 🔗

Spectacular. I wish that I could write with your clarity.

177838 ▶▶ annie, replying to Margaret, 1, #462 of 1528 🔗

Eloquent, great!

178336 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Margaret, #463 of 1528 🔗

Absolutely spot on.

177788 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 20, #464 of 1528 🔗

As seen at my local bus stop

177815 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to stefarm, 14, #465 of 1528 🔗

Also got talking to a young chap at the bus stop who had an exemption lanyard, he was a bit suspicious of me asking as he said he had been interrogated by a bus driver as to why he wasn’t wearing a lanyard.

Told him I come in peace and don’t be afraid to claim an exemption. 99% of people are exempt. Firm nod of agreement!!

177790 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 14, #466 of 1528 🔗

As seen at my local bus stop 2 of 2

177792 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to stefarm, 10, #467 of 1528 🔗

Face cowerings 👏 👏 👏

177812 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to stefarm, 7, #468 of 1528 🔗

Sturgeon is using lockdown as a way to pursue her anti alcohol agenda and the Scots now know this.

177821 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to karenovirus, 3, #469 of 1528 🔗

Yes, think they might be starting to wake up. Don’t mess with the booze!

177836 ▶▶▶▶ IanE, replying to stefarm, 1, #470 of 1528 🔗

Stop the booze? Start the boos.

178764 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to karenovirus, 2, #471 of 1528 🔗

That doesn’t surprise me. I lived in Scotland for 10 years and remembered the Wile E Coyote like attempts they did to ram their anti alcohol agenda time and again.

177798 Dan Clarke, 5, #472 of 1528 🔗

It appears that criminals are running the world

177802 stefarm, 8, #473 of 1528 🔗

3 years ago my OH’s brother was tragically killed in a work place accident, a tragedy (more so than an 85+ year old with 1 or more co-morbidities).

Sadly his widow has just been diagnosed with a shadow possible growth on her pancreas.

I truly hope she gets the help and treatment she deserves.

177810 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 16, #474 of 1528 🔗

The police is now going for independent journalists – Free Speech Union is assisting him

The Metropolitan Police has threatened an unprecedented use of Public Order legislation to target Darren Grimes and his channel @Reasoned UK. It should concern anyone that believes in freedom of the press.


177884 ▶▶ Dr Downunder, replying to Victoria, 2, #475 of 1528 🔗

First they came for Darren……….

177939 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Victoria, 3, #476 of 1528 🔗

I’m not sure whether the absurdity of this takes the edge off how terrifying it is or not. They have been going after thought crime for some time, but now we can be held responsible for the reply someone else gives when we ask a question.

178034 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Victoria, -2, #477 of 1528 🔗

Yes – It’s ridiculous.

Most people know that Starkey is a tit. What more is needed?

177814 DRW, replying to DRW, 13, #478 of 1528 🔗

Anyone else feel better after a distraction, only to then feel worse after remembering the shit we’re in?

177818 ▶▶ Liam, replying to DRW, 3, #479 of 1528 🔗


177824 ▶▶ jim j, replying to DRW, #480 of 1528 🔗

I keep needing to remind myself that this is all somehow reality, not a thought experiment

177826 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to jim j, #481 of 1528 🔗

It’s that as well.

177971 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to jim j, 1, #482 of 1528 🔗

Ah, Grasshopper, reality itself is but a thought experiment. 🙂

177816 RickH, 12, #483 of 1528 🔗

Just pondering over another of those issues of proportionality and context that actually torpedo the government narrative.

The incidence of illness in the community that defines an ‘epidemic’ is 40 in 10,000 (see CEBM)

The government is defining 50 in 100,000 (i.e; 5 in 10,000 ) new PCR ‘cases’ (not even illness) as a ‘high’ incidence.

Give me strength.

177819 jim j, replying to jim j, 17, #484 of 1528 🔗

Are you all listening to these Northern Mayors running a news conference which is EXACTLY saying “The costs of lockdowns are too high for our community to wear”.
How can this realisation have take so long to occur to them?
Will this watershed cause Westminster to understand now too?

God I hope so!!

177825 ▶▶ Liam, replying to jim j, 11, #485 of 1528 🔗

But they just call for “more funding” and never ever address the issue of lockdown itself,

177830 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Liam, 8, #486 of 1528 🔗

Exactly. I wouldn’t trust them an inch. It’s all about gathering in more tax payers’ money to piss it up against the wall.

177835 ▶▶▶▶ jim j, replying to Tenchy, 3, #487 of 1528 🔗

Yes, and Sunak must know he cannot give them 100% furlough. So hopefully this is the pip squeaking!

178898 ▶▶ stewart, replying to jim j, #488 of 1528 🔗

They will be bought off. That’s probably what they are looking for. Funds for their cities.

177828 runtothehills, replying to runtothehills, 17, #489 of 1528 🔗

Spread the word

178621 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to runtothehills, 1, #490 of 1528 🔗

I put this one on my car back in March/April/May
comment image
the Herd doesn’t get it!

177842 Dave #KBF, replying to Dave #KBF, 3, #491 of 1528 🔗

March heading towards Downing Street at the moment (13:00)

London 10th October

177874 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Dave #KBF, 3, #492 of 1528 🔗

Why the fuck are the protesters wearing face nappies?

177894 ▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Two-Six, #493 of 1528 🔗

Who knows what they are thinking?

The speaker is holding a minutes silence to remember children who have died due to vaccinations. Please keep on message, do not be distracted by 5G, anti-vax, etc.

178044 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Two-Six, 1, #494 of 1528 🔗

Perhaps so there is no excuse whatsoever for police to intervene? If they do when social distancing adhered to and masks worn, looks even worse for police?

177849 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 4, #495 of 1528 🔗

Live feed of anti-restriction protests today in London. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94ijbhm4vNM

177854 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #496 of 1528 🔗

Massive police presence, I note.

177850 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 2, #497 of 1528 🔗

Great Barrington Declaration – anyone aware of some published material from other scientists supporting the declaration? This is needed for balance, since the Establishment are railing heavily against it at the moment.

177883 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tenchy, 4, #498 of 1528 🔗

Less likely to get scientists (due to funding bandwagon) than doctors. This is a good article though, from a senior clinician who signed the declaration:


That said, when you have to marshal hundreds/thousands of the usual suspects with the sole aim of trashing the GBD, you really know their case is on the verge of losing. They are protesting a bit too much and are now starting to resort to desperation.

177885 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #499 of 1528 🔗

Good one. Thanks.

177855 calchas, replying to calchas, 7, #500 of 1528 🔗

Have we flattened the curve yet?

177863 ▶▶ DRW, replying to calchas, 2, #501 of 1528 🔗

We must now Beat The Virus.

177906 ▶▶▶ Roy Everett, replying to DRW, 5, #502 of 1528 🔗

Bother. I thought we had merely to Wrestle It To The Ground. I must up my game.

177882 ▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to calchas, 1, #503 of 1528 🔗

Any minute now.

177973 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to calchas, 1, #504 of 1528 🔗

Yes, but we went on to invent another sombrero.
And when that one is squashed, all by itself and with a bit of data manipulation, we’ll again invent a few more suddenly relevant metrics we never heard of before.
Followed by another invented Covid 20 sombrero(s) and so on, of course.

178037 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Jay Berger, #505 of 1528 🔗

You forget: the sombrero transmogrified into a camel.

178003 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to calchas, 2, #506 of 1528 🔗

Flat as a witches tit

177856 Jay Berger, replying to Jay Berger, 14, #507 of 1528 🔗

I think nurses know far more about Covid than doctors.
My GP in Germany has absolutely no clue about the upcoming vaccines, his ‘knowledge’ was and still is limited to: I wouldn’t take the Russian one.
Two dentist friends of mine are convinced that masks work, just because there were no infections or clusters at dentists practices yet.
I tried to explain correlation (not established) and causation (not existing/proven even if there was an established correlation) to them, to no avail.
They also deny that ‘mask mouth’ damages occur, simply because they haven’t suffered from them themselves, despite wearing masks for decades.
I explained to them that dentists can do hygiene and get their teeth done, and that medical professionals use medical masks correctly, whilst the people use uncertified stuff incorrectly and for hours, that therefore ‘mask mouths’ are quite likely, that masks in the community are dangerous, especially for children, and that one cannot infer from the various protective effects of masks in clinical settings, that they help against a virus as deployed in and by the community.
An, internationally reknowned, surgeon frien chipped in and stated that (community) masks (against Covid) do work because they wear them in hospitals too, and that this shouldn’t be discussed anymore (he didn’t even seem to know that he and his colleagues wear them not against viruses, but to protect their patients open wounds from getting contaminated).
I sent him and them the video of Prof. Kappstein in which she, a reknowned clinical hygienist, debunked their very assessments and destroyed all the studies on community masks alleged effectiveness against viruses/Covid.
Their response was that this efficiency thing shouldn’t be discussed anymore- that the debate is settled.
The surgeon then sent me the latest news from the UK in form of the discredited Whitty&Vallance chart, with best wishes.
I responded by quoting the more obvious flaws of the numbers, their reporting and the useless PCR tests.
He had no clue and just reported that the debate on all this is settled.
I retorted that this response is the
very definition of being unscientific.
I wanted to follow up and anger them again with an excellent interview by Gunnar Kaiser with Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg, during which he reiterated many of my points, but unfortunately and as so often these days, it was already deleted by youtube by then (still on bitchute).
See above: the very definition of propaganda, ideology and acting and being unscientific.
Such doctors/professors ignorance and unfounded zealousness cannot be explained by fear anymore.

177867 ▶▶ WhyNow, replying to Jay Berger, 13, #508 of 1528 🔗

There really is a totalitarian instinct among the public guardians. It is not to protect the public, as they say. It is to save them the discomfort and irritation of having people disagree with them. It is a parent-child attitude.

177876 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to WhyNow, 7, #509 of 1528 🔗

It’s moved beyond parent-child to master-slave?

177912 ▶▶ Dr Downunder, replying to Jay Berger, 2, #510 of 1528 🔗

Co-ordinated government and media action to curtail free speech and yet we are not at war. Why????

177917 ▶▶▶ helen, replying to Dr Downunder, #511 of 1528 🔗

well it might well come to that, especially in the USA, perhaps thats why?

177865 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 7, #512 of 1528 🔗

Fairly neutral commentators are beginning to turn, it seems…

177870 ▶▶ IanE, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #513 of 1528 🔗

Ah yes, Dan Hodges, that rare thing on the Left who will actually consider evidence!

177901 ▶▶ Mark, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #514 of 1528 🔗

As I noted previously, when even establishment toadies like Hodges don’t swallow it, you know there really is a problem with the Official Truth.

177878 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 8, #515 of 1528 🔗

An extract from RT

However, his Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation actually staged one of the best-known pandemic simulations, Event 201, in conjunction with the World Economic Forum and Johns Hopkins University in New York last October. The barely-fictional scenario involved a deadly coronavirus originating in geese spreading around the world, devastating economies and triggering the imposition of strict behavioral controls while leaving a trail of 65 million bodies in its wake. The narrative was so close to the subsequent outbreak of the novel coronavirus that Johns Hopkins was forced to include a disclaimer on the event website.

177880 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Bella Donna, #516 of 1528 🔗

It’s squeaking out between the cracks….

178072 ▶▶ TT, replying to Bella Donna, #518 of 1528 🔗

Reminiscent of how the military ran war games exercises (“Vigilant Guardian” among others) involving hijacked planes shortly before and on 9/11…

177881 ianric, replying to ianric, 2, #519 of 1528 🔗

There is a question I would like to ask. If someone was to ask you to compile a list of things governments would not need to resort to in a real pandemic, what would you come up with in relation to the current situation.

177941 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to ianric, 1, #520 of 1528 🔗

I think what has been revealed is that there is very little that government could usefully do. The best course of action would be to maintain normality as far as possible.

But if we ever do face something as deadly as ebola and contagious as the flu, then our choice will be to die with dignity or die without dignity.

177963 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Ovis, 1, #521 of 1528 🔗

Indeed. Provide hospitals a la Nightingale to separate the infected from other hospital patients, to protect the other patients and ensure they get treated. Advise people of the risks.
Put a lot of effort into treatments.

178096 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Julian, 1, #522 of 1528 🔗

Yes. As far as I’m concerned their only role is to ensure that hospital capacity and procedures are as good as they possibly can be, and to provide calm and unbiased information and advice to the public.

That’s it. Anything else is NOT their responsibility.

177891 Jay Berger, replying to Jay Berger, 8, #523 of 1528 🔗


The head of the German doctor’s association called for an end to the ridiculous disinfection mania, in testaursntscand elsewhere, as a virus spread through smear infections has now been ruled out.
We can touch the flagsticks and bunker rakes again, and should never have cordoned off or been thrown off the park benches….

178311 ▶▶ annie, replying to Jay Berger, #524 of 1528 🔗

You mean I can’t kill granny with my bum?

177898 Stephen, replying to Stephen, 29, #525 of 1528 🔗

A thought.

Viruses are older than humanity. I believe they predate all other forms of “life”.

If masks are so great then why in billions of years has no animal evolved a face cover to protect itself from viruses.

One species somewhere would surely have evolved such a protective device via natural selection. Instead, all creatures have an immune system.

We are really are living in a very irrational age.

178064 ▶▶ WhyNow, replying to Stephen, 5, #526 of 1528 🔗

If wearing masks were effective, then we could wipe out all viruses forever. All we would would need to do is to declare global mask week. With no path for infection, all viruses would be extinct.

I just don’t know why no-one has thought of that. Maybe a Nobel prize beckons if I write to the Lancet and suggest it.

178865 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to WhyNow, #527 of 1528 🔗

If we wiped out all viruses, then we would cease to exist. Our body contains over a trillion viruses (and billions of bacteria)

178129 ▶▶ Sceptical Lefty, replying to Stephen, 1, #528 of 1528 🔗

Is the problem our difficulty in accepting that we cannot control everything and that the aim of constantly extending life – irrespective of its quality – is a mistake as inevitability when faced with something like a virus some people will die. Why living to 81 appears to be regarded as a failure is curious

177899 Arnie, replying to Arnie, 30, #529 of 1528 🔗

The virus is not and never has been the problem. The government is the problem.

To put it more simply:

The Government IS the virus.

Without the government and it’s helpful useful idiots (BBC, SKY, NHS managers, etc.) this coronavirus would not have even made its way into local news let alone national news.

The government, the individuals themselves, your politicians (unless they stood up to it, unlikely) are CRIMINALS. In the same way that you can’t be half-pregnant these people can’t be half-in / half-out they made their bed…

These people are hurting my kids. I’m so angry at them. I will work day and night to bring these people to justice. Yes, I think it’s fair to say that the worm has turned. Bring it on.

177913 ▶▶ helen, replying to Arnie, 7, #530 of 1528 🔗

Yes, `I agree with your every word Arnie. I want to cry when I think whats being wilfully inflicted upon innocent children .. It is abuse and every teacher who has enforced mask wearing and distancing upon them is criminally complicit just like like the corrupt politicians

177936 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to helen, 6, #531 of 1528 🔗

Covid the new Moloch. With Bojo and Sturgeon as high priests at the tophet.

178050 ▶▶ WhyNow, replying to Arnie, 1, #532 of 1528 🔗

The media are the virus. The “government” (just a few elected representatives, rather than the vast array of civil servants) are swaying in the hurricane.

178309 ▶▶ annie, replying to Arnie, 1, #533 of 1528 🔗

To a Viking, a ‘worm’ was a dragon.
Bring on Smaug.

177909 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 16, #534 of 1528 🔗

I sent the interview with the nurse to a friend of mine.

He just replied:

I was in the gym this morning talking to a surgeon he agreed with us “

177980 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #535 of 1528 🔗

Basically NHS staff have been told not to speak to the media, that in itself is very telling.

178020 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #536 of 1528 🔗

.. as is the more general impulse to censor. Proof positive that lies are being told.

178051 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #537 of 1528 🔗

Given him the Gavin Phillips contacts from above and he’s going to pass them on to the surgeon and other doctors, nurses etc he knows.

177915 Nigel Sherratt, 2, #538 of 1528 🔗

How long before TY gets his collar felt for stirring up hatred for NHS? DG should stick to name, rank and number and let them do their worst.

177927 Espedair, replying to Espedair, 10, #539 of 1528 🔗

Isn’t it counterintuitive that it’s World Mental Health Day while simultaneously so many governments around the world are engaged in a deliberate campaign to undermine the mental health of their populations? //:0

177937 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Espedair, 5, #540 of 1528 🔗

Insanity is Mental Health, War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength.

178056 ▶▶▶ DomW, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #541 of 1528 🔗

New is Normal
Distancing is Social…

177930 PAM, replying to PAM, 12, #542 of 1528 🔗

I think the COVID debacle is indicative of a much wider problem in society generally, that is, the apparent inability of the general public to think critically, absorbing without question every narrative the mainstream outlets diffuse. It seems to me that this is the inevitable outcome of a dumbed down education (?) system in which engagement with diverse arguments is discouraged on pain of penalty from those in the academies who seem blown around by every wind of woke doctrine.

I recall, I hope correctly, some time ago, watching a parliamentary session during which a member of the opposition I think it was, asked the question ‘ what are Universities for?’. As I scanned the members of the front bench, I found myself asking the same question. If these characters are the best that the august schools of Eton, Ruby and Harrow can produce then I can only foresee a pessimistic future for the once Great Britain. They are, of course the elite, the cream of society so as to speak, rich and thick.
I am also concerned with the reluctance of some, perhaps the majority, of journalists to critically appraise the political narratives, another outcome of the education system perhaps.  I think it was Menken, or perhaps Hanna (my memory is not what it used to be) who opined that the proper relationship of the journalist to the politician is that of the dog to the lamp post. It is not for them to uncritically squawk every doom laden prognostication of the priests of expertise.

But, it is asserted, the lockdown worked, the number of deaths and hospitalisations has declined since lockdown. However, correlation does not indicate causation necessarily and such assertions are weak given that they are unfalsifiable.

By way of illustration consider a village located on a high hill. One day the (self interested) Druids show up and assert that unless its inhabitants sacrifice all their animals (their economy) that a flood will come and wash away the village. In uncritical obeisance they do so and the flood does not arrive. Said Druids show up again and assert you see, it worked, the flood did not happen . Meanwhile, their economy has been trashed, the village is now in disarray their means of sustenance gone, and critical thinking has long since disappeared (perceptive leaders in the village would have known that apart from local phenomena, villages on high hills do not get washed away).
Anyway, enough of my rant.

177956 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to PAM, 6, #543 of 1528 🔗

Hear, hear.
Sadly, in Germany, the last generation trained in critical thinking and recognizing its importance were the Xers, and in the UK, probably the boomers (and far too many of them are corrupted or have forgotten about it).
Y and Z are completely hopeless in that regard and rabidly woke instead, you will, for example, find very few of them at the current demos, at least in Germany, and Lord Sumption and Piers Corbyn being the leading voices of the resistance in the UK is by itself also already quite telling and confirming.

178009 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to PAM, #544 of 1528 🔗

great post

Sadly many people are incapable of questioning anything and don’t get me started on common sense

178017 ▶▶ RickH, replying to PAM, 1, #545 of 1528 🔗

They are, of course the elite”

Weeell … they are the privileged.

The same conflicts exist in all societies – but the UK has always had a system that is the very opposite of a meritocracy (no – pure supposed meritocracies are also dangerous). The system actively protects the second and third rate with privilege and resources from challenge. The public schools are built around that imperative.

178049 ▶▶▶ PAM, replying to RickH, #546 of 1528 🔗

Thank you for that Rick,

In looking at the broad swathe of what is called parliamentary democracy it is difficult for me to conclude other than many of its representatives have fulfilled Peter’s principle. That is, as I understand it,, that persons tend to be promoted to the level of their incompetence.

178098 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to PAM, 1, #547 of 1528 🔗

My impression of people who’ve been to Eton and Harrow is that they are not sent there for a superior education, their parents send them there so they will meet a better class of yob. It’s all about social superiority and connections.

177934 Spc81, 4, #548 of 1528 🔗

Whilst night fishing last night ( no fish sadly) contemplating with a beer or two the last 6 months of this madness I think this is going to be Boris the bodgers Iraq !
started on a bed of lies , spun and spun until people didn’t know what to believe anymore ( “government would never lie to me !”) and those who could see through all the lies and spin were called alsorts because they didn’t back the mainstream way of thinking and went against it , thousands of innocent lives lost to , this is boris’s legacy and will hang around his neck like lead weight just like Blair’s !

177935 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 14, #549 of 1528 🔗

Think I’m going to print this off and start leaving it lying round supermarkets and shops:

Thinking of Challenging someone about not wearing a mask or face covering?

  1. Are you an on-duty police officer?
  2. Are you an on-duty CPSO?
  3. Are you an on-duty health officer?

If NO then you have no legal authority to challenge or question anyone.

Fines can be up to:
AN OFFENCE liable on summary conviction to pay a fine of up to £5,000 – section 112 (Aiding contraventions) of the Equality Act 2010
AN ACT OF DISABILITY DISCRIMINATION and be ordered to pay to any individual who suffers injury
to feelings compensation between £900 and £9,000 – section 119 (Remedies) of the Equality Act 2010

This fine can be payable by the individual who challenged the customer on a personal basis, not the company.

Ask yourself these questions and if the answer is NO then there is a breach of Health and Safety legislation:

  1. The company insist you wear a mask at work. This is a change in working conditions. Have they given you a risk assessment?
  2. Did the risk assessment contain supporting documents and scientific evidence to confirm the mitigations will work and are reasonable?
  3. Have you read, understood and signed the risk assessment?
  4. Did the company explain to you that the exemptions in the legislation apply to staff as well as customers?
  5. Did the company explain to you what these exemptions were?
  6. Did the company explain that you are only required to wear a mask/face covering when “in close contact” with customers?
  7. Did the company explain there is no legal definition in the legislation and that “in close contact” has to be defined by their own risk assessment?
  8. Did the company brief you on the risks of wearing a mask/facecovering in full up to and including DEATH if they are left untreated, brief you on the signs to watch for, brief you on initial first aid steps to take, brief you on psychological and other mental health problems that are a result of wearing a mask or face covering?
  9. Has the company supplied you with information on the correct way to wear a mask/face covering including time limits, when to change, precautions such as not touching the mask/face covering for any reason except to remove or put on, washing hands with soap and hot water for at least 20 seconds each and every time you touch the mask.
  10. Was the mask/face covering supplied as PPE for stopping virus transmission? Does it have the CE and/or BS numbers relevant to it being PPE? If not then it is NOT PPE and company can be liable in court for very large fines for not supplying correct PPE. If it is a KN95 mask did the company check against the UK HSE or Canadian HSE websites to confirm it is not one of the billions made in China that have been recalled due to the manufacturers lying about the PPE certification?
  11. Did you read the box or instructions to confirm that it states “suitable for viruses” if it was supplied as PPE.
177938 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #550 of 1528 🔗

I reckon people will be most likely to read it if there is a short sweet message.

I’d consider putting everything before “ Ask yourself these questions and if the answer is NO ” on one side and the rest on the flip.

178022 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #551 of 1528 🔗

Nice work, AG.

For my own purposes, I have shortened your comprehensive assault to the following text.

There is a ready-to-print PDF version here .


Thinking about challenging someone for not wearing a mask?

Unless you are one of the following:

  • A constable.
  • A police community support officer.
  • A TfL officer working at a TfL transport hub.
  • A person designated by the Secretary of State for the purposes of enforcing “The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Wearing of Face Coverings in a Relevant Place) (England) Regulations 2020” .

Then you do not have legal authority to question that person about not wearing a mask.

If you choose to question such a person, you may find that you will have committed:

  • An offence under section 112 (Aiding contraventions) of the Equality Act 2010, for which you will be liable to pay a fine of up to £5,000.
  • An act of disability discrimination under section 119 (Remedies) of the Equality Act 2010, for which you can be ordered to pay compensation of between £900 and £9,000.

These fines will be levied against you personally. Your employer may also be fined.

178047 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #552 of 1528 🔗

Glad they helped.

I’m getting more belligerent daily.

178119 ▶▶▶ Winter, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #553 of 1528 🔗

I like it. Does my memory serve me that they also cannot insist on seeing an exemption card? I’m fairly sure I’m right. Had a stand off the other day with a little Hitler who insisted that I had to show an exemption card.

178123 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Winter, 2, #554 of 1528 🔗

Absolutely wrong. Gov guidance (there is no law on challenging exemption, see my other post):

Those who have an age, health or disability reason for not wearing a face covering should not be routinely asked to give any written evidence of this, this includes exemption cards. No person needs to seek advice or request a letter from a medical professional about their reason for not wearing a face covering.
Some people may feel more comfortable showing something that says they do not have to wear a face covering. This could be in the form of an exemption card, badge or even a home-made sign.
This is a personal choice and is not necessary in law.

178131 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #555 of 1528 🔗

Be interesting to know what the little Hitlers would ‘accept’, as according to the guidance, a piece of cut out cornflake packet with “Exempt” written in crayon is ok!

178181 ▶▶▶▶▶ Old Normal, replying to Sam Vimes, #556 of 1528 🔗

Sturgeon has her ‘Health Secretary’ working on an exemption card system for Scotland apparently. I’m fully expecting it to coincide with a mask mandate for outdoors.

Will be interesting to see if it goes ahead (unlikely given the incompetent individual involved) and if it does, whether it’s actually illegal.

178145 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Mabel Cow, #557 of 1528 🔗

Great work. I cant open the link. Could you please publish the document instead?

178152 ▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Victoria, #558 of 1528 🔗

Just to be clear, to you want a Microsoft Word version? Is it that you can’t open PDF files?

178045 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Awkward Git, #559 of 1528 🔗

great post

178104 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to Awkward Git, #560 of 1528 🔗

What if they are a police officer? They seem to be stepping up checks at the bigger railway stations. Can they demand to see some sort of evidence to back up an exemption claim, or are they just supposed to accept it?

178113 ▶▶▶ Sceptical Lefty, replying to zacaway, #561 of 1528 🔗

No – indeed doctors have been told not to provide such exemption proof.

178116 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to zacaway, 2, #562 of 1528 🔗

There is *nothing* in the law that says any of the named people can challenge you about exemption. The law does not make any mention at all about challenging exemptions, it just lists the ones available. Govt guidance clearly says you should not be challenged.
The ‘relevant persons’ can direct you to put on a mask or to leave the store, if you are *refusing* to wear one, but that is different from being exempt. The conversation should be:

“Do you have a face covering, Sir/Madam?”
“I’m exempt thank you”
“Ok then”.

End of.

178204 ▶▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to Sam Vimes, #563 of 1528 🔗

Great, thanks for clarifying

178167 ▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to zacaway, 1, #564 of 1528 🔗

I think (though I’m really not sure) that they can ask the reason for your exemption at which point you can simply claim that you suffer “severe distress” from having to wear a mask and they just have to accept that as no medical proof is required.

178195 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Chicot, 3, #565 of 1528 🔗

No explanation or proof is necessary. Not to anyone. In England, at any rate.

178438 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to zacaway, 1, #566 of 1528 🔗

All you have to do is politely say “exempt” and that is it:



to get medical history requires a court order so unless you volunteer the information, they are not automatically allowed access to the information.

178335 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Awkward Git, #567 of 1528 🔗

Do these rules for H&S requirements with regards to facemasks/PPE and employees apply to workers in a care home? Do care homes and residential care settings have different rules that apply to them?

178395 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Two-Six, #568 of 1528 🔗

Very few places or situations exempt from HSE legislation:

  • certain “royal” palaces
  • certain military establishments
  • emergency situations that require `HSE to be put aside until the situation is under control – this sit that allows fireman to enter burning collapsing buildings (try writing a risk assessment for it)

I’ve been in a few situations where we suspended HSE until we got the situation under control in the past and my younger days. Now as the boss my job is to stop it escalating that far and until now succeeded.

Everything else is under health and safety legislation at all times for all jobs:




178673 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Awkward Git, #570 of 1528 🔗

Humm interesting, I think Mrs Two-Six can use this as some bollock kicking clogs. To give the idiots in charge of her care home a good kicking with.

Nothing to loose really.

177940 jb12, replying to jb12, #571 of 1528 🔗

Asking for a family member: does anyone know what the situation is for face covering exemptions while at work in Scotland? My cousin is going back to work in November in a place where staff are in public facing roles. They have been told to wear face covering unless exempt. Technically, they are not exempt, but do not want to wear one. Do they have to provide proof of their claimed exemption? I know that you don’t in shops or on public transport, but is place of employment a different thing? I have searched the Scot Gov website for any indication either way, but have failed to find it. Also, ‘anxiety’ is their preferred ‘excuse’ and there seems to be less wiggle room there in Scotland as there is in England, anyone have any thoughts on that?

177950 ▶▶ Arkansas, replying to jb12, #572 of 1528 🔗

Latest “guidelines” last updated 9th October:


Relevant part of the latest version of the legislation, effective 9th October:


177965 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Arkansas, 2, #573 of 1528 🔗

Thanks. I have read the Scottish link you provided. It doesn’t mention about proof of exemption at work (I am assuming since it doesn’t, it is the same as public transport i.e. you don’t have to provide proof). As for the reason for exemption, the relevant section of the Scottish legislation seems less clear-cut than the English ‘severe distress’:

  • people who have a health condition or who are disabled, including hidden disabilities, for example, autism, dementia or a learning disability, or are providing care for someone with a health condition or disability, and a face covering would be inappropriate because it would cause difficulty, pain or severe distress or anxiety to the wearer or the person in the care of the wearer. This includes children with breathing difficulties and disabled children who would struggle to wear a face covering.

Is anxiety over having your airways blocked a ‘hidden disability’?

178001 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to jb12, 3, #574 of 1528 🔗


178004 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to jb12, 3, #575 of 1528 🔗

No. It’s a f.ing obvious reason for anyone with a brain not to wear a mask, given the total lack of established benefit.

Not rocket science – just good medical ethics.

178011 ▶▶▶▶ Arkansas, replying to jb12, #576 of 1528 🔗

The phrases “for example” and “this includes” means the list is not exhaustive; you can add your own. Concepts like “difficulty”, “health condition” and “disability” are remarkably broad.

Don’t get caught up in imagining wheelchairs and heart attacks when you read such terms because the medical categories of these things are broader than that — anxiety (about anything at all) being an “example”.

Workplaces will be covered by the “indoor spaces“ section of the second link?

The Scottish wording initially seems trickier in its phrasing versus the English Act — and it seems to slightly change with each Act amendment too, even when the changes aren’t meant to apply to “face coverings”. But actually when you look at the detail I think they are in fact more gappy due to the grammar, even though there’s less of an obvious choice when it comes to explicitly listed exemption examples.

177992 ▶▶▶ Guirme, replying to Arkansas, #577 of 1528 🔗

The wording “ a face covering would be inappropriate because it would cause difficulty” seems to be capable of a very wide interpretation – eg masks cause me difficulty because I wear spectacles. As for having “a health condition” that is gloriously vague and can cover just about anything you want it to, no matter how trivial. Indeed even perfect health is surely “a health condition” Whoever drafted this should either be ashamed of themselves or perhaps they are lockdown sceptics!

178024 ▶▶▶▶ Arkansas, replying to Guirme, #578 of 1528 🔗

I love your interpretation of “health condition”. Quite so!

177942 Jay Berger, replying to Jay Berger, 5, #579 of 1528 🔗

OK, so smear infections have been ruled out, masks don’t work against a spread through aerosols as they simply can’t, asymptomatic infected people are very unlikely to be infectious, the tests are flawed and locking up healthy people because of a positive test result or connection to such a person is idiotic and a crime, and so on.

What kind of measurements DO actually make sense then to limit the viral spread through the No1 if not sole cause: ‘virus loaden droplets disseminated for 10-15 minutes indoors and at a very close range between two individuals, one infectious, one not infected yet’?

-Limiting such close social contacts and esp. the close, intense conversations then in general
-limit them for a few days BEFORE attending a group or family event where you will likely engage in them
-keep your distance from other people at such events or in such environments, and/or don’t talk to them
-stay at home with a cough and/or fever
-take the temperature of attendants before they enter the group event/environment/location/school

Pretty basic, effective, cheap, easy to organize and adhere to stuff.

So, if masks can reduce infections through droplets in those ‘dangerous’ situations and environments (still a BIG IF) they should then be worn:
-at the dining tables, and that in particular at home
-in conference rooms
-at the bar/when dancing closely
-when singing
-on public transport for neighbours and when talking only, ex on a plane, where there is a constant supply of fresh air anyway

So pretty much where and when they are NOT mandated, worn.or wearable.

Whilst they are ridiculously useless for shopping, during class, on the way to check in/leave any premise or in the aisles etc., for waiters who keep their distance when speaking and quiet when serving, in elevators where people generally don’t speak anyway or would be asked to refrain from doing so, at quiet or well separated workplaces, anywhere outside etc.- or pretty much exactly where they ARE mandated currently.

178000 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Jay Berger, #580 of 1528 🔗

Pretty basic, effective, cheap, easy to organize and adhere to stuff”

.. and that was applied at the beginning of this shit-show.

But now,it’s clear that real infections from SARS-CoV-2 are at a very low level – and we’re doing Scary Fairy dances all over the shop.

Scottie !!!!!

178352 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Jay Berger, 3, #581 of 1528 🔗

Masks aren’t about stopping infections. They are an important part of the psy-op. A key component. For many reasons but the psychological re-programming of US is very much part of the exercise. As the WEF say we need to change the way we THINK.


177979 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to ConstantBees, 4, #583 of 1528 🔗

It’s happening in German cities already.
Totally useless against the virus, of course, but great for their real agenda.

177981 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to ConstantBees, 4, #584 of 1528 🔗

Got my mask exemption badge ready.
My reason: I’m allergic to BULLS××T.

177995 ▶▶ RickH, replying to ConstantBees, 3, #585 of 1528 🔗

There are some remarkably deviant incompetents in charge of the BMA

178079 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to ConstantBees, 13, #586 of 1528 🔗

I’m 40 years old, not sure I’ve ever broken the law in any meaningful way in my entire life (probably stolen pens from the office etc), don’t speed, don’t drink or smoke, live a generally blameless life.

But if this actually happens, I will be breaking the law every day of my life until it’s all over. I WILL NOT DO IT.

177946 DRW, replying to DRW, 13, #587 of 1528 🔗

Oh dear, I had an argument with my dad earlier. As I’ve said before, he’s an MSM-
believing conformist (BBC and Independent) and accepts all this as “just the rules”.

“I’m glad you’re not going on campus, there’s 1000s of covid cases in universities!”
“How many hospitalised? Bet you can count with your fingers.”

“But 1000 extra hospital cases!”
“You get extra ‘hospital cases’ of seasonal COLDS this time of year anyway.”

“But colds aren’t likely to kill you are they?”
“For certain people they can and do. That’s just not being reported by MSM.”

“So it’s all the fault of MSM is it?”
“No the REAL problem is government-engineered fearmongering.”

“You just want herd immunity because it means you have no responsibility!”
“Since when have we been ‘responsible’ for colds and flu before?”

“It’s alright for you, I have to take the risk of getting it going to the shops!”
“As if anyone symptomatic will feel well enough to go to the shops.”

“Lucky there’s very few cases around here, unlike the North.”
“So why are you so worried then?”

“Why are the government worried then?”
“They want more lockdowns for the sake of it. What about the bigger picture?”

He then just got really angry and revealed his ultimate reasoning: “Fuck the bigger picture, I’m just worried about your mum.” (Who is in the vulnerable category).

At that point it go too uncomfortable to carry on so we just had to agree to disagree and awkwardly glossed the incident over after lunch. Admittedly he is susceptible to the hysteria because of mum but still, if we can’t sway the likes of him, we are doomed.

177951 ▶▶ Julian, replying to DRW, 7, #588 of 1528 🔗

Figures for hospitalisations cannot be trusted – I believe they are testing everyone on admission, regardless of what they are in for or any symptoms, so figures will reflect how many people are being admitted to hospital, the false positive rate and general prevalence. As such, they are meaningless as a measure of the impact of covid.

177993 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 4, #589 of 1528 🔗

The figures for hospitalisations can be trusted, I think. What can’t be trusted is the attribution to Covid-19, which is currently very much a minority sport.

178062 ▶▶▶ jojo, replying to Julian, 4, #590 of 1528 🔗

According to Carl Heneghan’s latest finding, a good percentage of the recent covid hospitalisation cases could have got it after the admission!

– Across England as a whole, 18 percent of patients in hospital with Covid-19 tested positive for the virus for the first time seven days or more after admission. The proportion was highest – at 24 per cent – in the North-West, which is under imminent threat of further lockdown measures.


178242 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to Julian, 4, #591 of 1528 🔗

Relevant – bear with me.

My wife had her haircut yesterday and texted me an appalling story. Her stylist’s boyfriend – an election has injure his thumbs badly (severed tendons) and had to go to hospital. They tested him (of course) and he was negative and they operated.

Later, one of the nurses told him that if he’d been positive, they wouldn’t have been able to operate and he would almost certainly have lost the use of his thumb.

This is a man in his twenties, who relies on his hands to practice the skilled trade he trained for and on which he relies for his livelihood

177954 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to DRW, #592 of 1528 🔗

That’s awkward!

177964 ▶▶ CGL, replying to DRW, 4, #593 of 1528 🔗

Yes my husband shouted at his dad this morning too – never happened before

177972 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to CGL, 18, #594 of 1528 🔗

That’s the thing. That’s the whole thing. Everything about this is engineer to turn us against eachother. Masks aren’t there to protect you, because then you’d be the one taking all the risk. No, masks are there to protect others, because now people will start policing themselves. The language is all muddy, with “people dying with covid”. How many are dying OF covid? What’s the difference, and why are you turning this into a semantics argument?
The government cannot police an entire country. They’re a handful, we’re many. So they need to keep us policing eachother. They need us fighting eachother. Divide et impera.

177989 ▶▶ RickH, replying to DRW, 8, #595 of 1528 🔗

That’s a conversation that gives a fascinating insight – and connects directly with experience.And, yes, one of the major evils that has been perpetrated is that people like your Dad are genuinely fearful for other people.

I’ve just had a conversation with my son. He is generally pretty sceptical, but, despite what he knows about the PCR test, still thinks that the test data is showing something that can be interpreted significantly (we live in a northern city with a massive amount of university accommodation nearby – so you can imagine what is happening to ‘case’ numbers).

In his case, the main stumbling block is that he genuinely likes to think well of people, so finds it very hard to reconcile himself to the fact that the government is deliberately deceptive. He can grasp incompetence, but not lying deviousness and deliberate evil.

Again – re. the conflicts that this is engendering. Our daughter-in-law teaches in a pretty difficult school. A pupil coughed at her when told to put his mask on in the corridor.

My remark was ‘Well you’re going to get that when you impose senseless rules. Anyone who teaches knows that arbitrary, senseless rules create more opportunities for conflict. So you have to be sure that your framework is rational and enforceable.”

… he thought the kid should have been suspended.

This is Planet Earth departing the known universe.

… and so they build this evil society of fear and conflict.

178043 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to RickH, #596 of 1528 🔗

Just give him this FOI answer:

– supply the justification that a “positive” test means the person is suffering from the virus
as is a danger to the public and must be isolated.
SARS-CoV-2 RNA means the RNA is present in that sample at that point in time. It does not mean
that the patient has the novel coronavirus (COVID-19).
Patients can have SARS-CoV-2 RNA before onset of illness, during the illness and after resolution

If he wants to verify from the DHSC:

Freedom of Information Request Reference FOI-1240596

178194 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 1, #597 of 1528 🔗

I think it is partly wanting to think well of people and partly in some the instinct to avoid accepting that those in charge do not have our best interests at heart, to the extent that they are evil – that’s a tough truth to face, especially for the young I think

177998 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to DRW, 10, #598 of 1528 🔗

With all due respect to your dad, the bigger picture is his pension being descimated to almost zero, the price of products going up, civil liberties and freedom of movement removed and the future for his children and grandchildren zero.

178101 ▶▶ Sceptical Lefty, replying to DRW, 1, #599 of 1528 🔗

This is the problem, though. Public policy determined by sentiment.

177948 Bella Donna, #600 of 1528 🔗

This makes you wonder if he was targeted, TBH there is nothing politicians wouldn’t do for power, our current government included!


177949 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 5, #601 of 1528 🔗

A sharp Stanley knife one inch long discreet incision in the ubiquitous blue mask will overcome most breathing difficulties.

Stasi mask inspection might present a problem, so keep an unmodified one handy.

178038 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Stuart, 2, #602 of 1528 🔗

Stanley knife or gimp mask?

177952 percy openshaw, replying to percy openshaw, 19, #603 of 1528 🔗

Brave nurse. Let’s hope her anonymity holds. And should it not, please, Mr Young, set up a fighting fund to help the excellent lady. My contempt and hatred for that idiot in Downing Street – not the snarling, bald geek; the fat one – are now so intense that I’ll not vote for his party whilst he remains at its helm. He is truly vile. The Bower revelations about his modus operandi should finish him. Why are the Tory MPs still sitting on their hands? I’ll tell you: they are doing so in the name of a desperately wanted Brexit – the last lonely point of light in Johnson’s stygian premiership. In which case, the very second he starts to stitch them up – as I am certain he will – they must move in for the kill. Let it be as bloody and turbulent as they like. He should be muscled out of number ten by a posse of sumo wrestlers and then dumped in the Thames. He’s so wet it won’t make any difference.

178025 ▶▶ leggy, replying to percy openshaw, 10, #604 of 1528 🔗

I’ll never vote for any mainstream political party ever again.

178053 ▶▶ Dr Downunder, replying to percy openshaw, 7, #605 of 1528 🔗

What is most pernicious is that she should be under any threat at all for telling a very bland truth about her life at work. It’s hardly a trade secret.

Even if she actually does have the right to speak she feels that she doesn’t. That’s how it works. Everyone imbibes the message that to speak your mind is dangerous if not frankly illegal. When I was a child you could air any opinion as long as you didn’t swear in public. Now you can swear in public to your heart’s content as long as you don’t voice any opinion outside the narrow non-sensical narrative. Why?

178593 ▶▶▶ TT, replying to Dr Downunder, #606 of 1528 🔗

Even if she actually does have the right to speak she feels that she doesn’t .”
Wasn’t it on this site somewhere that I read that all NHS workers had to sign an NDA re. their services during the ‘pandemic’? I distinctly remember the argument being raised that this was very suspicious in itself, and in any case a first for the health services. Please correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m sure I read something to that effect …

178313 ▶▶ annie, replying to percy openshaw, #607 of 1528 🔗

It would be hard on the Thames. We’ve spent a century trying to clean it up.

178385 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to annie, #608 of 1528 🔗

He would be like a FAT-Berg encrusted with all rubber jonnies and face nappies and that…floating, out to sea, a beached whale.

177960 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 4, #609 of 1528 🔗

So i’ve been thinking… What if this whole mess we’re in is fabricated by China? We know they weren’t too happy about the restrictions imposed on them by the US. There’s also a lot of crap coming out about what they’re doing. So it seems to me that they would want to hit Western economies hard.

So they either make a virus or latch on to an existing viral outbreak (even though the timing is pretty convenient, considering the upcoming US presidential elections… and the nature of the virus is such that it’s very hard to test for, increasing confusion). Then they blow it out of proportion. They start acting like it’s a world ending plague. They start randomly rounding up people on the street. They silence dissenters. They lock people in their homes. They do everything you’d expect a dictatorship to do when they have an out of control situation.

Outwardly, they allow outgoing flights to all destinations. They tell WHO that there is no evidence of human to human transmission, and that face masks are not necessary. They do all they can to spread this virus far and wide. They know it’s not nearly as dangerous as they’re pretending it is, so they’re not spreading it to cause fatalities. They’re spreading it because big lies go down better if they have a kernel of truth. It’s hard to get the world’s economy to shut down if you’re just running around screaming “FIRE!” with no fire to be seen. But add a bit of smoke, and everyone joins you.

So they did all they could to make the world believe that they (China) are treating this thing very, very seriously. They then did all they could to spread this virus far and wide. So when other countries started seeing cases, they panicked. And what could they do but follow China’s lead, especially with papers singing their praises. Countries that knew what China is all about didn’t listen to them, never closed down, and got through it with minimal damage. But most of Europe listened to their Chinese overlords and took the bait, hook, line, and sinker. And now Western economies are in shambles.

Well, we’ll never know if this is true or not. Dictatorships never reveal their secrets.

177975 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 2, #610 of 1528 🔗

Sorry – doesn’t make sense in your own terms.

Assertion – China did it because she wasn’t happy about US tariffs on imports.

Result:- Western economies ‘in a shambles’ – therefore able to afford fewer Chinese goods.

178005 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to calchas, #611 of 1528 🔗

Western economies were already buying less from China, so no loss there. I bet China actually made a profit selling PPE at hiked up rates to multiple countries around the world, countries which then subsequently had to throw said PPE in the trash for being defective.

178089 ▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 2, #612 of 1528 🔗

the masks I wear at work supplied by my organisation are made in Wuhan City.

177986 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 7, #613 of 1528 🔗

I think they made the best of the situation, by encouraging lockdowns while themselves quietly ending theirs once it had served its purpose

I struggle to believe their lockdown can have contained the virus

177994 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Julian, 7, #614 of 1528 🔗

Yes, it looks much more likely that the Chinese just realised Covid is not all that dangerous, and probably endemic before they identified it, so declared victory and stopped the silliness. It was widely reported that senior voices in China had indicated that their Covid measures were too damaging.

178140 ▶▶▶▶ Nic, replying to Ovis, 1, #615 of 1528 🔗

They definately made it out to be worse than it is, clips of citizens in wuhan collapsing on the streets!

178417 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #616 of 1528 🔗

China are key partners in the New Normal corporate global management structure. They are the designated centre of global production. They are allowed to be dirty and polluting for now. The control and distribution of goods is a key aim of the great reset. Efficient manufacturing. Cheap labour. Only China have a population that is now geared to being the factory workers of the world.

The rest of the world will not be permitted to manufacture anything. China just played its role in the WEF’s Global Reset. They will be rewarded with access to the raw materials they need. Nobody else will. They will be tasked with “peace keeping” in Africa.
China is part of the team.

177961 Biker, replying to Biker, 10, #618 of 1528 🔗

WHO dude saying end the lockdown on the Andrew Neil youtube show.


178059 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Biker, 2, #619 of 1528 🔗

They are despicable after inciting the whole world to lock down back in March.

178068 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #620 of 1528 🔗

At least they’ve changed their mind

178084 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Biker, 2, #621 of 1528 🔗

What’s this? A new gaslighting exercise? Perhaps they say we won’t do lockdowns but then put individual areas under restrictions, then keep everyone on tenterhooks to see if they will be “released”?

177978 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 3, #622 of 1528 🔗

Try doing a Google search for “Great Barrington declaration” ……

177987 ▶▶ Paul, replying to Tenchy, 1, #623 of 1528 🔗

Yes,just as I expected,arseholes.

178019 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Tenchy, 4, #624 of 1528 🔗

Yeah – pointed this out to the ever more sceptic Mrs leggy earlier. Her reply – “suspicious”.

2nd in the hitlist via DuckDuckGo by the way…

178066 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to leggy, 1, #625 of 1528 🔗

My go to search engine too!

178122 ▶▶▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #626 of 1528 🔗

Google are doing Duckduckgo’s marketing for them

178179 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Tenchy, #627 of 1528 🔗
178016 ▶▶ Bill h, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #629 of 1528 🔗


Triggle appears to be at least interested in listening to the expertise that is out there. One of the very few in the BBC it would seem.

178085 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #630 of 1528 🔗

Telling comment:

I have no idea how you manage to keep your job at the BBC with such balanced, reasoned views

178002 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 1, #631 of 1528 🔗

From The Telegraph live feed. Burnham the Bullshitter at it again. Where is his evidence for this:

Burnham: ‘Very concerned’ about Covid compliance from supermarkets

Wrapping up the press conference with northern leaders, Andy Burnham has said that he remains “very concerned” by the level of compliance on Covid measures seen by the Big Four supermarkets in terms of enforcing face mask wearing.

It comes after Mr Burnham said that local authorities should have greater powers to target businesses that aren’t following measures, as opposed to blanket restrictions and closures on entire areas.

The problem goes beyond pubs and restaurants and includes supermarkets, he said.

178023 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Tenchy, 2, #632 of 1528 🔗

This ties in with swinney in scitland apparently saying (came to me from bbc radio presenter) that oneways queue and door people need to go back into shops to re establish the 2 metre rule. All nonsense, in their sinister game of let’s pretend.

178033 ▶▶ WhyNow, replying to Tenchy, 3, #633 of 1528 🔗

It’s enforcement by proxy. They can’t force the public, so they force the businesses to enforce it. Same with tax. Can’t tax the public enough directly, so tax them indirectly, through businesses.

178060 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Tenchy, #634 of 1528 🔗

Burnham would love to be Prime Minister

178088 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Tenchy, 1, #635 of 1528 🔗

It’s not for supermarkets to enforce. If they want a proper lockdown THEY need to pay for it.

178136 ▶▶▶ Nic, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #636 of 1528 🔗

What can they do ,they cant close the supermarkets down lol

178026 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 16, #637 of 1528 🔗

Observations from today. Went to holyrood. Couple of hundred people all ages and whatnot. Good to mix with like minded individuals.

Richard ennos spoke. Imo he has a good message and seems a sincere person, he is clearly very angry but is staying professional possibly for the sake of his career and reputation. Few other speeches, got a bit rabble rousing towards the end so I left.

Masks do seem to be seen as a necessary evil and a small inconvenience, still think the are evil ugly fucking things.

More children than ever masked, youngest I saw was a toddler. Gross.

That’s what I hate about the cunts in charge, using the mask thing as pure control and obedience, removing our freedom and voice but allowing an illusion of normal. People are so obedient now they can get away with anything.

So taking into account the grafitti witnessed earlier and the sheeple infecting my mojo it’s probably about even. Going to go home and have a cheese sandwich and a beer and then quite a few more with my chicken curry for din dins.

P.s. queuing to get into a charity shop, fucking hell. I like a charity shop as much as the next (wom)an but come on.

It is not fucking normal.

178052 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to stefarm, 3, #638 of 1528 🔗

I gave up on holyrood too. Waiting for my train at waverley now. Pretty much the same reasons as you. If they are the future of lockdown scepticism, I won’t be involved. Richard Ennos was good.

178057 ▶▶ Basics, replying to stefarm, 1, #639 of 1528 🔗

Richards message rang out loud and clear. He is a good speaker as was the man from the libertarian party.

Had a chat with a police blue vest. Nothing impressive, questions why they were in intimidating black masks and black latex gloves.

The last protest organiser having been arrested had an effect on numbers I think. I didn’t follow the build up so don’t know if there was a campaign against today.

Like you I vanished a little early rabble rousing was good but my rabble is roused thanks awfully. Good point, we are being put in a place where we need to be given access to our customs and traditions – absolutely wrong. Dundee protestors held ceilidh in the city centre square last night.

Again a nice crowd of people from all walks of life it is pleasant to chat to. A masked passing jogger walked into the crowd to listen, their mask was soon off and they stuck around for a good while, must have been cold in jogging outfit. Ennos speech is good.

178063 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Basics, 1, #640 of 1528 🔗

One press tog had a bike helmet clipped to his camera bag, he was not a cyclist.

178090 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Basics, #641 of 1528 🔗

Yeah, noticed that. Nob

178320 ▶▶ annie, replying to stefarm, 3, #642 of 1528 🔗

Masks are evil ugly fucking things.

178339 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to annie, 1, #643 of 1528 🔗

Yes they are, disgusting. It really shows how lazy people are in not questioning the use of them, but as mentioned people are depressed, downtrodden and in mourning for their old life (I am) so are playing along as they think compliance = back to normal.

NO. Compliance = more and more degrading treatment.

178028 Basics, replying to Basics, 1, #644 of 1528 🔗

Ruptly youtube live stream of l8ndon protests in not streaming for me. Every other stream always runs ok. London protests do not. This has happened on previoys weekends.

My suggestion without proof is that the stream is being deliberately stopped from being viewed. Others may find the stream ok?

178083 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Basics, 1, #645 of 1528 🔗

I had no trouble in viewing. I googled Ruptly and then live feed.

178087 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Bella Donna, #646 of 1528 🔗

Thanks for this. Sputnik is running fine from same camera I think. As I say it’s not the first time youtube ruotly hasn’t streamed a London Demo. It loads but then doesn’t stream. Odd but just me evidently. Thank you.

178029 Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, 4, #647 of 1528 🔗

I wonder why these guys from the “ Great Barrington Declaration ” are still pushing for the use of RT-qPCR “ … perform frequent PCR testing of other staff and all visitors. “?

Are these scientists still not aware that PCR is NOT A TEST?

Are these scientists still not aware that there is still NO GOLD STANDARD to calibrate the PCR chemical reaction?

Are these scientists still not aware that, on at least one PCR protocol, they are using one primer that has a sequence 100% identical to a part of the chromosome 8 of the animal Homo sapiens?

THIS IS WHY I won’t sign that declaration. We’re being FOOLED and SCREWED thanks to the use of PCR in order to create a PANDEMIC OF CASES .

Anyone PROMOTING this is not doing anything good.

178092 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, 1, #648 of 1528 🔗

Let me show you, my fellow critical Thoughter’s, what the incorrect use of PCR causes.

I made this graph using the official data from this government web page


178093 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Voz 0db, 3, #649 of 1528 🔗

I was going to pose that question the other day but on top of that I cannot get my head around this, they sat around a table, agreed on the declaration and they put this in it.

Retired people living at home should have groceries and other essentials delivered to their home.

To me this seems absurd.

178107 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Steeve, -1, #650 of 1528 🔗

That’s just another moronic thing to think!

What has the special condition of being retired to do with a fake pandemic?!

It seems these 3 stooges are not what they first appear!

178118 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Steeve, -2, #651 of 1528 🔗

After reading what are the credentials of those 3, I now fully understand why they write so much nonsense…

comment image

178138 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Voz 0db, 3, #652 of 1528 🔗

Why would you want pull the rug away from the group at the vanguard of opposition? Even if you did disagree with *some* of the declaration… Seems a bit daft to me. Unless you had ulterior motives of course.

178175 ▶▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Tom Blackburn, -2, #653 of 1528 🔗

No… They are surely not a vanguard of opposition.

PROMOTING the self lockdown of retired people IS NOT OPPOSITION.

Just those 2 things are enough…

I could go on, but clearly with you I would just be wasting my time.

178188 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Telpin, replying to Voz 0db, 6, #654 of 1528 🔗

You really need to watch the accompanying video where they made it absolutely clear that self lockdown would be a choice and in no way mandatory. They made it very clear that they advocated clear and accurate information so that people could make risk assessments FOR THEMSELVES; their only point was that as people in certain age/ preexisting categories have a far more elevated risk, they should be supported to self isolate if that’s what they choose to do. They also made the salient point that if the ‘minimal risk’ population were allowed to go about as normal and get infected , herd immunity would be achieved in c 3 months so then no one would need to isolate. Herd immunity isn’t a strategy it’s a biological fact. What the idiots don’t realise is that herd immunity is the only solution- WITH or WITHOUT a vaccine. What they’re advocating gets us there quicker and without the huge collateral damage. Even if you disagree with details, the logic ( and sanity) of what they’re proposing is unassailable-AND – we have Sweden as proof of success. That’s why the MSM are doing everything to distract people from actually listening to the video and engaging with the argument. I 😩 despair.

178197 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Telpin, #655 of 1528 🔗

Your observation clearly illustrates Voz Odb’s point and the weakness in the Declaration. Those who don’t take the time to watch the video can draw the wrong conclusions from the text.

178206 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #656 of 1528 🔗

Which shows why the text is so important?

178610 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Telpin, #657 of 1528 🔗

Uau… self lockdown is a choice. How wonderful! And you “think” most retired old folks & gals that have as the single source of “news” the Main S H I T Media that spread FEAR and PROPAGANDA 24/7 would choose not to self lockdown?!

We DO NOT LIVE in a society where the STATE wants modern slaves to “make risk assessments FOR THEMSELVES”…

Where have you been since at least March 2020?!

178192 ▶▶▶▶▶ helen, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #658 of 1528 🔗

How can it be wrong to question their assumptions?

This kind of thinking is how we got here in the first place.

ALL up the Corona River without a paddle!

178200 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Tom Blackburn, #659 of 1528 🔗

In all fairness the PCR (test ) has been a central point of discussion on this site for weeks. It would seem that PCR has a central role in the declaration. From what I have read PCR is not being used correctly as a diagnostic tool.
It certainly is being used inconsistently. For instance you need a “test” to access certain hospital procedures – but not all staff are tested weekly(yet) which makes testing the patient ridiculous! The only way out of that is more testing of asymptomatic people (medical staff) and so it goes on test test test?

178625 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Steeve, 2, #660 of 1528 🔗

PCR is NEVER a diagnostic tool!

As for that last question of yours, NO, that is not the way to go forward.

Forget PCR. What’s wrong with you?!

178193 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Steeve, 1, #661 of 1528 🔗

I agree. It could have said “should have the choice ” to have groceries etc ….

Or Vulnerable retired people should have the choice ….

There were a lot of similar examples where “should” could have been interpreted as a mandate.

Couldn’t decide if it was sloppy or sinister.

They do advocate the right to chose at the very end but I felt that was too little too late.

178627 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #662 of 1528 🔗

They already had that choice even before this entire OPERATION COVID started…

178184 ▶▶ helen, replying to Voz 0db, 1, #663 of 1528 🔗

This is an excellent question.
If you haven’t already please watch this…. it confirms your conclusions

Crimes Against Humanity

178630 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to helen, #664 of 1528 🔗

I’ve already watched that… Waiting to see how that ends up!

178186 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Voz 0db, 4, #665 of 1528 🔗

There is plenty in the GBD that I wasn’t happy with.

However, it’s received a huge backlash, so must be saying something uncomfortable for TPTB.

178187 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #666 of 1528 🔗

Exactly. It’s like a manifesto. Nobody agrees with all of it.

178030 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 6, #667 of 1528 🔗

Just read the Malcolm Kendrick article about the vaccine.

Here is one of the primary endpoints for the study:

A binary response, whereby a participant is defined as a COVID-19 case if their first case of SARS-CoV-2 RT-PCR-positive symptomatic illness occurs ≥ 15 days post second dose of study intervention. Otherwise, a participant is not defined as a COVID-19 case.

So, asymptomatic “infection” doesn’t count. The vaccine is successful even if this occurs. But asymptomatic infections are the main reason we are masked up, social distancing and facing a winter of lockdown.

So once the vaccine has arrived, will asymptomatic infections no longer count? Is that how they will declare their victory?

178141 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #668 of 1528 🔗

Drosten says it’s why we need to stay Masked and distanced forever, even with a vaccine.
Dystopia, created by Mengele’s successors.

178228 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Jay Berger, #669 of 1528 🔗

Has he now got shares in mask factories as well?
In January he was adamant face coverings do not work.
I hate that man.

178035 Bill h, replying to Bill h, 7, #670 of 1528 🔗

Dev S has a piece in the Guardian on Lockdowns.


Open for comments.

Just heading over there for some sport.

Tallyho !

178042 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Bill h, 1, #671 of 1528 🔗

Most comments I read just don’t get it, lol

178065 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Bill h, 3, #672 of 1528 🔗

The ‘fearless’ Groan just bans people if the comments get too penetrating or knowledgeable.

178081 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to RickH, 2, #673 of 1528 🔗

Or deletes the comment. I’m not sure most of those commenting share the same universe as me.

178086 ▶▶▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #674 of 1528 🔗

Comment is Free tightly regulated

178286 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Nick Rose, #675 of 1528 🔗

Oh, no, they haven’t deleted any of my past comments. I just get lots of personal insults. And no way to respond since comments close fairly quickly (on the one article that allows comments).

178183 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to RickH, 1, #676 of 1528 🔗

The Groan doesn’t often allow space for any kind of comments nowadays. Nuff said.

178283 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Bill h, 3, #677 of 1528 🔗

I have been avoiding the Guardian for months now. I read that article, started commenting and got so angry that I deleted my Guardian account. I’ll not give myself a stroke trying to deal with that crowd.

I have been left wing all my life, but reading calls to basically have communist Chinese rules imposed on British society, as if it were a good thing, left me apoplectic. Retreated to loud music for my own sanity’s sake. Kudos to those of you who can respond to that mess.

178040 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 15, #678 of 1528 🔗

Here’s quite a fair report on yesterday’s protest in Oxford:


FWIW I was the one with the “Copy Sweden” placard.

178071 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to mattghg, 3, #679 of 1528 🔗

Well done!

178080 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #680 of 1528 🔗

Seconded, good sign!

178158 ▶▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Basics, 1, #681 of 1528 🔗

Thanks. One thing I learned is that it’s a good idea to have something in both sides of your placard, so I think for next time I’ll put “Great Barrington Declaration” on the other side.

178077 ▶▶ Basics, replying to mattghg, #682 of 1528 🔗

Marianna Spring used to write for Cherwell 74 articles if memory serves. Now Disinformation special reporter for BBC.

178444 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Basics, #683 of 1528 🔗

Look at this:
Her twitter words from all her fans. lol. This woman is going to get a face nappy. A special one.

178078 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to mattghg, 3, #684 of 1528 🔗

Off the back of that article, stumbles across the University student responsibility agreement:


Also in Oxfordshire, did not know about that one but will look out for next.

178082 6097 Smith W, replying to 6097 Smith W, 2, #685 of 1528 🔗

You can imagine the response to the interview above from Twat Wancock
Find her! discredit her! sack her!

178091 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to 6097 Smith W, -6, #686 of 1528 🔗

Very divisive language.

178094 anti_republocrat, 5, #687 of 1528 🔗

I felt rather desperate to find colleagues that might be questioning it all, like myself, but it was clear to see that everybody was believing the media narrative.

Well, who ya gonna believe, the media or yo’ lyin’ eyes?

Besides, her colleagues are paid well to claps for themselves and believe the narrative against all evidence to the contrary. I imagine this anonymous nurse is not financially secure and can not afford to be fired and black-listed. Her courage is no less than the several more highly paid professionals who have recently spoken out and suffered the consequences, but their sacrifices have been enormous. We are all fortunate that they are likely (but not always) more secure financially secure than this woman and are able to make such a sacrifice.

178097 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #688 of 1528 🔗

I feel like Pfeffel, Twat Hancock, Whitty and Vallance are engaged in a tactic similar to Harold’s shield wall from the Battle of Hastings. We are fatigued and demoralised.

How to break the wall?

178108 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #689 of 1528 🔗

Admit defeat, we were wrong, we got involved with some bad people who made us do it.

178125 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Dan Clarke, #690 of 1528 🔗

Counterintuitively start pushing for circuit breakers ?

178142 ▶▶ Dave Tee, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #691 of 1528 🔗

It’s obvious. Do what William of Normandy did. Catapult Sunetra Gupta and Carl Heneghan over the top of the wall.

Anniversary of Hastings in four days’ time, incidentally. The ‘In Memoriam’ section of the Torygraph always carries an entry on that day: “Harold Godwinson, 1066. Killed fighting the Invader”.

178168 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Dave Tee, 4, #692 of 1528 🔗

Harold’s army were knackered because they’d just marched back from defeating the Vikings at Stamford Bridge.

Henry VIII had to march to York to show the local barons who was boss.

The Luddites began in my area.

Maybe that’s why the North is now being suppressed so blatantly.

178180 ▶▶▶▶ Dave Tee, replying to Cheezilla, #693 of 1528 🔗

Harold took the bold decision to engage the Normans asap. Perhaps he didn’t get the memo? He should have socially distanced himself from William, retreated in ignomy, and hoped the bad thing would just go away if he trashed the economy by scorching enough bloody earth.

178162 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #694 of 1528 🔗

From the bottom up.

178100 Tom Blackburn, #695 of 1528 🔗

The Independent: Northern mayors urge MPs to reject Rishi Sunak’s ‘insufficient’ furlough replacement.

178102 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #696 of 1528 🔗

How would t&t ever work. Even with herd immunity it would still be there. Is it another smokescreen until they can say we have a vaccine, then miraculously the manufactured numbers start to drop.

178137 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #697 of 1528 🔗

The one hope is that the manipulations will eliminate the requirement for a mandatory vaccination.
In light of the uselessness and dangerousness of the vaccine, they could and should also easily give everyone who dares give a saline solution or placebo instead.
It won’t make a Covid related medical difference, provide the industry and politicians with a good safety record and image, and they can still manipulate the numbers away.

178161 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Jay Berger, 1, #698 of 1528 🔗

I agree about the placebo, have thought it too, the Blair Foundation, want the vaccination for their ID passport, and yes a placebo would still work in that instance.

178160 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #699 of 1528 🔗

It isn’t about a vaccine. It’s about tracking and controlling via the “health” passport.

178165 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #700 of 1528 🔗


178103 assoc, replying to assoc, #701 of 1528 🔗

It will be interesting to see if Burnham has the balls to defy Johnson.

178157 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to assoc, 2, #702 of 1528 🔗

Not if there’s money to be had by complying.

178109 Basics, replying to Basics, 3, #703 of 1528 🔗

Perhaps already posted
The i is saying:
“Doctors call for face coverings to be made mandatory outdoors and in offices
The British Medical Association has called for free face masks for those on low incomes and people with health conditions”


178111 ▶▶ Felice, replying to Basics, 2, #704 of 1528 🔗

Snap. We spotted it at the same time, I suspect

178149 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Basics, 2, #705 of 1528 🔗

The head of the doctors’ union called for simplicity when advising the public on face masks, saying: “It cannot be easy for the public to understand what will make a difference if they’re told to wear a mask in one setting, but then it’s not required in another.”

Patronising shill!

Dr Nagpaul added that “every day counts” as the virus continues to spread “at an alarming rate”.

“I don’t believe that this is a choice between the public health interest and the economy, I really believe one drives the other and we need to stop this false dichotomy,” he said.

What’s the written equivalent of “I’m speechess!” ?

It gets worse:

The proposals set out by the union include restricting alcohol sales in England to similarly to in Scotland, where pubs and restaurants have been barred from selling alcohol indoors for 16 days , and for the NHS Covid-19 app to provide users with more detailed information on infection rates in their area.

178159 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #706 of 1528 🔗

I am ready to poke anyone in the eye who says this is incompetence.

Mike Robinson UKC had it right yesterday. We need to prepare to be taking decisiins which will be unplesant and increase our own suffering through the choice not to comply.

The BMA have fallen. Their oaths taken are mere recitations to get them into the wine and nibbles and that oh so desirable comfy club.

178170 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Basics, 1, #707 of 1528 🔗

(Carfeul matt; careful Toby. 🙂 ).

178185 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to JohnB, #708 of 1528 🔗

Well, you know!

178214 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Basics, 12, #709 of 1528 🔗

Few months ago I asked the BMA this but no response:

“I have been reading your press release dated 04th June 2020 on the use of face coverings.

Some of the quotes from BMA council chair Dr Chaand Nagpaul:

“it is right that people should be required to wear face coverings on public transport.”

“Given there remains a considerable risk of infection, with thousands of new cases every day, wearing masks can reduce the spread of the virus.”

“These important measures should not be restricted to public transport but to all areas where social distancing is not always possible – the risk will be much less if the public adopts this now”

“The BMA believes that the Government should ensure a supply of face coverings for the public…..It is vital that these face coverings are not the same as the medical-grade masks that have been in short supply and must be reserved for frontline staff whose job is dependent upon having them for adequate protection.”

There are no justifications quoted, no science quoted, no studies quoted, no facts or figures quoted and so on so I have a few questions to ask so that I can understand your stance that has been widely quoted in the mainstream media and on social media as an authorative voice of reason and science over the past few months.”

I also asked:

“Why is it right to wear face coverings when they increase the risk of suffering from problems such as “mask mouth”, bacterial and viral lung infections, pleurisy, headaches and other initial symptoms of lowered oxygen saturation, psychological feelings of isolation and depression and serious acne to name a few?”

“Why mention social distancing, a policy that has no scientific evidence proving it’s efficacy and as admitted by Professor Dingwall “it was conjured up out of nowhere”?

Why does the BMA believe that lower grade masks which do not offer adequate protection are acceptable for the general public when they face the same virus as medical staff?

The Royal Society DELVE report initially published in April 2020 but released in June 2020 and that has received recent MSM interest as supporting the policy of face coverings and masks has some very strange quotes in it that do not support the generally accepted conclusion. Based on these quotes from the report how can this report be justified as accepting masks as a serious mitigation in stopping or slowing the spread of a virus?”

“Why did you not advocate masks and face coverings back in March 2020 at the height of the “pandemic” but wait until the numbers of deaths has dropped to almost zero and nearly all metrics show the virus is disappearing and/or mutating into a less dangerous strain?”

“If they do not work in a controlled medical environment used by trained personnel how will their use by the general public work?

There are plenty more studies that can be read and recently the world’s leading epidemiologists issued a statement challenging Governments on this issue and said that masks were not effective for stopping the spread of viruses so what science does the BMA have but not released that proves mask and face coverings are an effective mitigation?

“So far the Government has released no scientific evidence to support the mask/face coverings policy nor published a risk assessment for this so again what science does the BMA have but not released that proves mask and face coverings are an effective mitigation?”

“Please explain why countries that have been wearing masks for longer than the UK and in more places than the UK still have rising numbers of “positive tests”. Surely if masks worked as you claim then cases should drop to zero and stay there within weeks of the commencement of general mask wearing?”

“Has the BMA performed a full risk assessment on the wearing of face coverings in the general population using the above points as part of the risks and published and peer-reviewed studies as evidnece tehir mitigation are valid and will reduce the risks to ALARP? ”

“If so can you please provide a copy?”

Think I’ll send another re-mail and this time copy to my GP.

178221 ▶▶▶ Telpin, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #710 of 1528 🔗

I’m truly in awe of you tireless campaigning. Thank you.

178224 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #711 of 1528 🔗

Inarguable isn’t it, exceptional as always Mr Git.

Bacterial chest infections leading to pneumonia is now on the rise
Govs have no risk assessment –

178110 Felice, replying to Felice, 28, #712 of 1528 🔗

Apologies if someone has already spotted this and posted it here….
This is from the Daily Toryograph:

The findings come as the British Medical Association calls for masks be made compulsory in outdoor spaces in the UK, claiming there is still a risk of transmission if people come within two metres of each other.

Oh hell, oh no, please no no no
The thought of it is tipping me over the edge.

178115 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Felice, 11, #713 of 1528 🔗

There’s obviously something seriously wrong with people claiming to represent the BMA.

A real house-cleaning is needed to regain any credibility.

178164 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to RickH, 5, #714 of 1528 🔗

Common Purpose ? 🙂

178117 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Felice, 11, #715 of 1528 🔗

Today is the first time I really felt close to tears.

It’ll come, I fear, because this has all the hallmarks of a psychological warm-up before they actually make them mandatory.

Masks have been mandatory outside people’s homes in California for months, introduced by the same governor who first tried to close the beaches before various county sheriffs said they wouldn’t enforce it. Then he said people could go to the beaches but not sit on the sand, they had to be exercising. Then it was people could only walk on wet sand but not dry sand….

178127 ▶▶▶ Nic, replying to Lms23, 17, #716 of 1528 🔗

I will not comply

178130 ▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Nic, 10, #717 of 1528 🔗

Me neither.

178133 ▶▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Liam, 12, #718 of 1528 🔗

I saw the article too. I’m sure it’s the warm up. I’m expecting it from next week. Also not complying.

178154 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Country Mumkin, 7, #719 of 1528 🔗

Starting here in the NW, but strangely, it won’t apply to London. Or to me, while I’m breathing…

178156 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Liam, 5, #720 of 1528 🔗

Nor I.

178201 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Nic, 10, #721 of 1528 🔗

That’s a line in the sand I won’t cross. I will risk fine and arrest, but won’t wear a mask outdoors. I’m rarely in the city anyway and can stay on my rural property and not be bothered, but if it happens here I will absolutely not comply.

178146 ▶▶▶ Felice, replying to Lms23, 12, #722 of 1528 🔗

I’ll be honest and admit I have just had a cry – it’s tears of anger and frustration. Same thing happened when they first started to soften us up to wearing them in shops. Curiously, I’ve been bad for the past couple of days, probably because of the constant drip drip of doom in the news and a worry as to what is coming next.

178153 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Felice, 7, #723 of 1528 🔗

Sending you illegal, hugs.

178155 ▶▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Felice, 4, #724 of 1528 🔗

They can go and do one

178176 ▶▶▶▶ JVS, replying to Felice, 8, #725 of 1528 🔗

Felice, I know how you feel. Most day I’ve been able to stay upbeat and since last night and definitely today, I feel worn down. Visiting this site everyday and reading the comments usually helps me soldier on but sometimes… I’m tired of being the only non-mask wearer when I do my weekly grocery shopping. Honestly, if it wasn’t for my boys, I don’t know what I’d do. Sending you big hugs!

178217 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Felice, 3, #726 of 1528 🔗

Felice, I so get it. I left Toronto for our country place but still cried when the mask mandate came down in Toronto. Then it caught up to me up here and I had a complete meltdown. I think I’ve cried more this last 6 months than I have in decades.

178257 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Felice, 5, #727 of 1528 🔗

I know how you feel. I suspect it’s the tipping point for a lot of us. Hopefully for the rest of the population as well.

I find loud music helps. Your favourite hard rock (or whatever) song. I usually go for Rage Against the Machine, Killing in the Name of It’s an anti-racism song for those who won’t find that to their tastes.

The key lines for sceptics:
“Now you do what they told ya” over and over again
Later “Fuck you, I won’t do what you tell me” over and over again.

Playing a lot of loud music today.

178264 ▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to ConstantBees, 3, #728 of 1528 🔗

I’d like to think so CB, but some here thought masks in shops would be the tipping point. The majority have been pathetic sheep throughout and would probably crawl if that was mandated.

178555 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to DRW, #729 of 1528 🔗

I know. Just one hurdle after another.

178190 ▶▶▶ Nottingham69, replying to Lms23, 7, #730 of 1528 🔗

Masks outside in our winter climate no even Sturgeon/Whitty/Hancock are not that stupid. Here in Nottingham though in the pouring rain there were plenty, getting soaked wet through. Even one clown on a bike. Insanity, wet rags round your nose and mouth, surely not good for personal health.

178259 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Nottingham69, 2, #731 of 1528 🔗

I’ve seen the same down here in Bournemouth.

178139 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Felice, 10, #732 of 1528 🔗

I am now at the stage where I hope they do something like this since it may actually lead to the sheep actually waking up. I know it hasn’t happened yet but I don’t think there’s any way out of this until the majority of the population decide enough is enough and stop complying.

178151 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Felice, 12, #733 of 1528 🔗

In the Daily Mail too, vast majority saying No. The argument against masks is just as compelling, it needs to pushed just as loud.

178163 ▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Felice, 28, #734 of 1528 🔗

For goodness sake don’t let them get to you that much. They are a bunch of evil losers and YOU are the good guy here. No matter what they say, or try to do, just steel yourself and refuse to wear a muzzle if that is your wish. It certainly is mine. And don’t forget that EXEMPTIONS are legally on your side. I’ve never yet worn a muzzle, anywhere, and I will continue on this road come what may.

By NOT wearing a mask you are maintaining your humanity and indeed your dignity and self respect. You are proclaiming your right to be an individual with a conscience and a free will. By wearing a mask people are signalling their willingness to be led, to be told what to do and to conform to whatever instructions and diktats, however ridiculous and wrong they may be, that those in power decide to foist on us.

Don’t think that you are alone. There are many millions of us—and we are growing in numbers—who see the evil in all of this.

178212 ▶▶▶ Telpin, replying to Harry hopkins, 12, #735 of 1528 🔗

Same here – will not wear it anywhere. You simply have to say: ‘I’m exempt’. The fact the the BMA are pushing for mass misuse of masks by the healthy is a disgrace . What happened to ‘First, do no harm’.

178198 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Felice, 9, #736 of 1528 🔗

What these medical “experts” have completely lost track of is the fact that just because there may be a risk of something it doesn’t mean we have to do anything about it. Just like I risk killing someone every time I get in my car. I don’t know if these people think like this all the time and it just happens they’ve been given a louder voice right now but they need to be put back in their box and concentrate on assessing risk and treatment and not recommending public policy.

178345 ▶▶ Van Allen, replying to Felice, 2, #737 of 1528 🔗

Most of Spain has mandated outdoor mask use for weeks now and I am sure it is no coincidence that they have had one of the highest death rates in this “second wave”. In addition to the question of hypoxia, the increase in contagious diseases must be significant unless people have perfect hygiene standards with regard to mask rules.

178761 ▶▶ Hypatia, replying to Felice, 1, #738 of 1528 🔗

I agree. The thought of not being able to freely breathe the air outdoors……..my goodness, they are even saying where and when we can breathe freely! It’s madness, insanity, call it what you will. That really worries me.

178114 WhyNow, replying to WhyNow, 11, #739 of 1528 🔗

I think we need to tackle the central argument of the lockdown advocates head on.

The argument is that a) the virus has a known infection fatality rate and b) without suppressing infection, you are bound to have a high fatality rate (say 400,000 excess deaths) so c) you need restrictions, until a vaccine reduces the infection rate. That’s it. Everything else is detail.

I don’t believe the fatality rate. The report by “Jessica” sums it up. Those who died were the same people who normally die of infections while terminally ill from other causes. The assumed “IFR” is in fact an average of zero for most people and 100% for the terminally ill. This gives you an IFR that is a proportion of normal mortality, without changing mortality at all.

Every month, roughly 50,000 people die. The worst case in the model is that 8 months of the normal deaths from dementia, Alzheimer’s, strokes and all the other depressing causes of death occur in the space of – what? maybe two or three months?

The model is utter junk. It is an extrapolation of a combination of circumstances of old age and terminal disease into some kind of scientific principle. “The virus has an IFR of 0.5%” is junk science.

178148 ▶▶ Basics, replying to WhyNow, 6, #740 of 1528 🔗

WHO statement yesterday that SARS CoV 2 is equal to Flu in terms of effect to humans has shifted things on. Lockdown for lockdowns sake is now happening. The ‘education’ of the public complete they no longer need to use ebola level fear. The public mind is captured.

178178 ▶▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to Basics, 1, #741 of 1528 🔗

Do you have a link to this? I’m creating a website and would like to use this as a stat.

178215 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Steve Hayes, #743 of 1528 🔗

Good work steve and cheeseless. Thank you. WHO website will hold the release.

178222 ▶▶▶ helen, replying to Basics, 1, #744 of 1528 🔗

Do you think this announcement signifies that there’s no longer any need to keep up the CV sham because they are confident that a global health dictatorship is firmly installed?

178244 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to helen, 1, #745 of 1528 🔗

Karl Schwab WEF president stated the cut we have made is so deep the effects will now be permanent. It’s really worth seeking it out and hearing him saying that.

I think they know they can take it from here – they have over reached themselves with the tech not being developed enough to actually slip smoothly in. In their judgement they may no longer need to keep open their window of opportunity.

I don’t think it is firmly installed, but the route to it being is. It must sap their end goal to keep the original fear perpetuating, they need to shuffle the scam along, close down first stages while keeping open second stages and open up third stages. A kind of catepillar effect to move the world from our lives to the oppressed existence they want us to have.

I think it’s a possible time for them to shift tactic or stage.

Opinion based on what I see around us. Seek out Karl Schwab chilling spoken statement. Question to ask ourselves is who the fuck is he and why does he feel he has the right to say and do the things he does.

178459 ▶▶▶▶▶ helen, replying to Basics, #746 of 1528 🔗

I will and I will take a look at his background.
Theres tremendous pressure on the inquiry since there are serious worries about childrens’ health and they are continuing to work on this issue while funding research. They need reliable experienced researchers. https://acu2020.org/kontakt/

178728 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ helen, replying to helen, #747 of 1528 🔗
178120 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #748 of 1528 🔗

If NHS staff are forbidden from speaking publicly, how does that square with the fact that daily for month after month almost every news programme has had NHS staff talking about the coronavirus?

178132 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Steve Hayes, 10, #749 of 1528 🔗

The paid stooges you mean? It’s fine if they tow the line.

178121 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, -5, #750 of 1528 🔗

Anyone carrying a ‘Covid is Fake’ sign at any protest deserves a thump

178124 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Tom Blackburn, -2, #751 of 1528 🔗

They probably already had one, on the head as a baby.

179034 ▶▶ GeorgeCountsToo, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #752 of 1528 🔗

I would agree that those kinds of “covid is fake” people discredit our proper argument of “however bad covid might be it cannot be orth the loss of our liberties”, but if they add extra manpower to the anti-lockdown movement I think they still help overall.

178128 Dan Clarke, 10, #753 of 1528 🔗

Every cell in your body needs oxygen in order to live. The air we breathe contains oxygen and other gases. Once in the lungs , oxygen is moved into the bloodstream and carried through your body. At each cell in your body, oxygen is exchanged for a waste gas called carbon dioxide. If carbon dioxide is not expelled properly and its levels rise it can cause poison in the body. Surprised anyone recommends masks, unless trying to reduce the population by CAUSING lung diseases

178144 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 16, #754 of 1528 🔗

Holy crap, I just found out Fergusson was right! He said if government did nothing, 500,000 would die – well it’s true, it’s all there in the ONS figures. And, get this, it happens every year!

178174 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #755 of 1528 🔗

Genius Gump

178150 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 13, #756 of 1528 🔗

Went shopping earlier, only one other person without face covering, whose body clearly indicated she was exempt.
I felt like I had landed on a different planet. Why is everyone covering their face?
The queue at the till did not move, the man in front of me told me that was as the lady put in her wrong pin number. I replied, that’s due the lack of oxygen as she wears a face covering. We had a short chat, but I could not turn him.

178172 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Silke David, 13, #757 of 1528 🔗

Many think if they obey this will be over sooner, the opposite is true, of course

178227 ▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #758 of 1528 🔗

It will NOT be over as long as the credulous allow it to NOT be over, that’s the final flippin brilliant “joke” from our scum politicians – they have allowed the “people” to make their own bloody prisons. Would be hilarious if not for everyone getting caught up with it. Oh and of course death from cancers, preventable illness, mental anguish for adults and CHILDREN!! Oh and viable businesses being chucked under a bus.

178169 Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, 4, #759 of 1528 🔗

If by some reason you have already signed that “declaration” ask for a retraction.


Doing more of these chemical reactions is POINTLESS.

Major reason: NO NEW VIRUS and so NO GOLD STANDARD.

comment image

But even if we had a gold standard the PCR is still not test and the amplification means zero in terms of Health!

178171 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Voz 0db, 3, #760 of 1528 🔗

I was wondering how long it’d be before this site was infiltrated.

178595 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Tom Blackburn, #761 of 1528 🔗

You got here first… so don’t complain.


178203 ▶▶ Telpin, replying to Voz 0db, 4, #762 of 1528 🔗

Please see my fuller response below. Appreciate and share your frustration with PCR tests ( I really do!) but would urge you to look at the bigger picture and what the signatories are trying to achieve – a possible way out!

178218 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Telpin, #763 of 1528 🔗

Excellent point well made

178597 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Telpin, #764 of 1528 🔗

If we persist in using PCR there is no way out of the “pandemic of samples/cases”.

178173 Dan Clarke, 20, #765 of 1528 🔗

Ive never worn a mask, and have written to several shops complaining of grumbles from the muzzled. Everyone has written back apologising, explaining that they understand that they have members of staff who can’t wear a muzzle and they hope it won’t keep me away from their shop. So it hasn’t.

178177 wendy, replying to wendy, 10, #766 of 1528 🔗

Toby has said if you google the great Barrington declaration it doesn’t come up and he is right. It comes up on my iPad where I have searched for it previously but it doesn’t come up on my android phone where I haven’t searched for it previously. What does come up is the UnHerd article and interview then so many ways in which folks are trying to discredit it, they say it is written by climate deniers, by anti Semites, by the far right, by people who aren’t proper scientist and of course because Scott Atlas is supporting it more attacks.

It is shocking to see such an attempt to close down any open discussions. It’s enough to turn anyone in to a conspiracy theorist. Perhaps the more it is attacked though the more everyone might see there are forces trying to close down reasonable discussions.

178226 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to wendy, 5, #767 of 1528 🔗

Toby is correct. The first page search results from Google are most assuredly being manipulated.

But interestingly, of the big names it’s only Google who are up to tomfuckery. Bing and Yahoo returned legit results for me.

DuckDuckGo is my default, so I hadn’t spotted this manipulation.

178288 ▶▶ RickH, replying to wendy, 4, #768 of 1528 🔗

Look on the positive side (even if not very bright) – it’s proof positive that the official narrative can’t stand up to examination. ‘Nuff said.

178213 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Basics, 6, #770 of 1528 🔗

prof Gupta talked about over 100,000 starving to death as a result of lockdown, possibly why who have u turned on lockdowns and gone all herdy-skerdy

178231 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Basics, 3, #771 of 1528 🔗

And more:


How do the people causing this live with themselves?

178343 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to leggy, 2, #772 of 1528 🔗

Many of them are surely sociopaths so have zero empathy.

178346 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to leggy, 1, #773 of 1528 🔗

Look at their eyes – black with no feelings.

Give away.

178196 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #774 of 1528 🔗

Yes I know it’s a favourite love to hate character but it was easier to do it this way than to put in all the individual links to different webpages and wait for approval.

Pandemic preparedness exercises over the years:


Being lazy and slack I know but it’s Saturday, had a good portion of homemade chicken and mushroom pie with 3 different veg, 2 bottles of wine and can’t work up the energy for some reason.

178207 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #775 of 1528 🔗

Sounds delicious – an LS ricipe for the day section, or cook along with Awkward might be an idea…..

178237 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Major Panic, 3, #776 of 1528 🔗

My other noms du guerre could have been “fat bastard” or “dirty shirt chef” I guess as my wife says she has never known anyone as messy s me in the kitchen.

178249 ▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #777 of 1528 🔗

Your wife and mine should compare notes, because I’m fairly sure my wife would think I could give you a run for your money on the messy kitchen front.

178251 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Major Panic, 5, #778 of 1528 🔗

Feeling light hearted (must be the booze) so here’s a favourite of mine as cannot be bothered with important stuff today:

There are no quantities on this recipe, if you like a sweeter sauce add more sugar, sour add more vinegar, more sauce add more ingredients etc. Just make it to your taste.

  • 500 g large prawns or even more how much do you like them?
  • salt
  • fresh ground black pepper
  • dry sherry or chinese cooking wine
  • garlic – chopped
  • ginger – chopped
  • spring onions – chopped
  • tomato ketchup
  • worcestershire sauce
  • tabasco sauce
  • red wine or cider or chinese rice wine or chinese black vinegar, whichever vinegar you want or have handy in the cupboard
  • sugar
  • cornflour mixed into water

fresh hot ciabatta to serve

heat a wok or deep frying pan until very hot

stir fry the prawns in the salt, pepper and dry sherry until just cooked

remove prawns from pan leaving as much liquid as possible in the pan

quickly stir fry the garlic, ginger and spring onions until fragrant and onions starting to wilt in this liquid

add a good dollop of tomato ketchup, worcestershire sauce, tabasco, sugar and vinegars to taste and mix well checking taste adding whatever required to get it how you like, If too thick add more sherry.

Cook until sauce is starting to bubble

if thin add cornflour

add prawns, reheat until hot

serve and impress everyone dunking bread (wife is a Tettenhall lass after all) in the thick sauce and putting prawn on top

Warning – I gave this recipe to an engineer (female) who I was training and who admitted she could not cook and she only did it once a year on her wedding anniversary. Normally her husband was not that impressed that day.

She cooked this. Husband happy. -he even sent a message and thanked me. Found out a few weeks later after a couple of years trying she was pregnant.

She told 4 women in the office how good the recipe was – 3 ended up pregnant.

Pure coincidence I’m sure.

178946 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Awkward Git, #779 of 1528 🔗

thanks, copied and printed

178410 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Awkward Git, #780 of 1528 🔗

One thing is for sure: this operation has many phases and possibilities and we are just in the opening scene of what is to come. The plan is to rapidly accelerate as many NWO agendas as possible while people are still ignorant and afraid. To what extent they succeed will depend on how many people can get out of fear, educate themselves, unite and stand in the true sovereign power, in the knowledge of their inherent birthright of freedom.

178199 HowToSignGBDec, replying to HowToSignGBDec, 1, #781 of 1528 🔗

In regards to signing the great barrington declaration, is there a way to check quickly if your signature is on it? I had wanted to try ctrl+f but would have to do this one by one for all 1900 pages of the signatories list? Do you get a confirmation email upon signing or not because it asked for an email address, I provided mine, but I never got an email from them. So I don’t know if my sig went through ok.

178238 ▶▶ Jo, replying to HowToSignGBDec, #782 of 1528 🔗

If you look under the signatures section at the top, you can then type your name in the box and it displays all those with that name who have signed.

178241 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Jo, #783 of 1528 🔗

Sorry, just checked and it has changed since I signed it. You have to go through the list, which obviously is a pain

178243 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to HowToSignGBDec, #784 of 1528 🔗

There is a search signatures function

178246 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, #785 of 1528 🔗

There was, sorry. It has gone

178247 ▶▶ PFD, replying to HowToSignGBDec, #786 of 1528 🔗

At one stage they had a search function on the site. I could find my name but when checking this morning the search window had gone.

179032 ▶▶▶ GeorgeCountsToo, replying to PFD, #787 of 1528 🔗

Did they ever email confirmation to you?

178202 ConstantBees, replying to ConstantBees, 3, #788 of 1528 🔗

Song of the day (at least for me): Feeling Pulled Apart by Wild Horses (Thom Yorke and Flea – Atoms for Peace).

About ready to explode. Let me out of this madhouse.

178250 ▶▶ Biker, replying to ConstantBees, 1, #789 of 1528 🔗

Mines is Terry Reid’s Live Life.


If the corna virus made music it would sound like Thom Yorke

178548 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Biker, #790 of 1528 🔗

Hmm, interesting idea. I like Thom’s music, pretty sure I don’t like cv, or at least what it does to people’s mind.

178261 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to ConstantBees, 2, #791 of 1528 🔗

The Verve
Well the Masks don’t work
They just make it worse
I’ll never see your face again

178205 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, #792 of 1528 🔗

From the interview with the nurse:

Q. What were the treatments you gave to Covid patients?

Answer: Oxygen therapy and IV fluids. Often antibiotic therapy also.

Why would medical practitioners treat a person suffering from a viral infection with antibiotics?

178209 ▶▶ matt, replying to Steve Hayes, 15, #793 of 1528 🔗

Secondary bacterial pneumonia?

178229 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #794 of 1528 🔗

I asked this about 7 months ago. Apparently it’s because they often get bacterial infections like pneumonia as secondary opportunistic infections.

178254 ▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #795 of 1528 🔗

For many viral infections, these secondary infections are often the most dangerous, especially where immunity is compromised.

178260 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #796 of 1528 🔗

Secondary bacterial infections?

Some possible benefits of some antibiotics?


178563 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Steve Hayes, #797 of 1528 🔗

For the same reason the best therapy on patients that do not need hospitalisation was determined back in March to be HCQ + Azithromycin + zinc.

178208 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 7, #798 of 1528 🔗

In the “I” paper there’s a report about the Great Barrington declaration slagging it off because it was signed by “Dr Bananas”,”Professor Cominic Scummings” and numerous other fake names which was reported by Sky news.
So we can’t just blame the BBC ,ITV,etc.
What a pathetic jibe at the G B D. Since people have been able to write, there’s always been 1,000s of “Mickey mouse” signatures, it’s called “A sense of humour”

178216 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #799 of 1528 🔗

Yep, pathetic though forseeable.

178219 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #800 of 1528 🔗

The GB declaration would be better now tightening up signatures, asking for verification etc. Just because the government doesn’t learn from mistakes, shouldn’t mean every gets to be slap dash

178233 ▶▶ R G, replying to Fingerache Philip., 6, #801 of 1528 🔗

These same publications were very quiet when the People’s Vote petitions were getting signatures from places like the Andaman Islands.

178281 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Fingerache Philip., 5, #802 of 1528 🔗

A typical false flag operation:
They were probably put on there by lockdown and mask zealots for just that discreditation purpose.

178314 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #803 of 1528 🔗

Apparently the Guardian had this report yesterday. What is beyond a journalist putting these names in to create the basis of their story? Focussing on fake names does not address the contents (and sense) of the declaration – obviously these journalist find it too daunting to critically examine the contents and cannot think of a sensible adverse argument.

178210 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 15, #804 of 1528 🔗

From fb Save our rights UK group;

50 cities in Poland today protesting. First Warsaw. Whole Poland in the same time. They put all cities in yellow zone to prevent this manifaestation, it brought regime of masks on the streets and 150ppl in groups each group 100 meters distance. We are still there because all this regime is not constitutional. Other cities I can link later when I will have any. There is also Berlin protesting today and we getting ready to global protest the 24th.

178340 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #805 of 1528 🔗

That is fantastic news.

178378 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #806 of 1528 🔗

Berlin too!

178211 Basics, replying to Basics, 13, #807 of 1528 🔗

Alongside 3 weeks to flatten the curve it is important to remember they msndated masks long after Spring – in July. Why now? The general populations asked, we went through the entire scamshow of Spring with them telling us not to wear masks.

Keep in mind and remind people about these facts.

178223 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Basics, 11, #808 of 1528 🔗

I spoke with someone last night and he couldn’t even remember that we weren’t allowed to leave our homes except for a very small number of reasons back in Spring. I guess the constant barrage of new rules and rule changes confuses people to the degree that they can’t remember everything.

178315 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to leggy, 1, #809 of 1528 🔗

Calculated confusion 400+ statutes introduced day and night coverage – pretty natural reaction to not know and switch in blank stare.

178230 NappyFace, replying to NappyFace, 4, #810 of 1528 🔗

The Times with an article that outdoor masks should be mandatory.

3 weeks to flatten the curve and all that.

178234 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to NappyFace, #811 of 1528 🔗
178245 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to NappyFace, 4, #812 of 1528 🔗

They seem to be saying face nappies outdoors where antisocial distancing is not possible. Where would that be, outside, then?

178275 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Tenchy, 3, #813 of 1528 🔗

I guess its another ‘Follow the money” job.

178374 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tenchy, #814 of 1528 🔗

They’ll think of something.

178272 ▶▶ RickH, replying to NappyFace, 4, #815 of 1528 🔗

The curve is about as flat as it gets. Cupid stunts!

178232 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 5, #816 of 1528 🔗

Paywalled https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/10/face-masks-can-almost-halve-number-new-coronavirus-cases-study/
Not peer reviewed -comments overwhelmingly negative -so why does the DT publish this ?

178239 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to arfurmo, 3, #817 of 1528 🔗

click bait?

178240 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to arfurmo, 5, #818 of 1528 🔗

The study was ordered and paid for with 1.6$ million by Bill Gates, with the result being determined and asked for in advance.
It is also/still seriously flawed scientifically, as it must be as it had to reach that erroneous conclusion.

178296 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Jay Berger, 3, #819 of 1528 🔗

Good find -but if you can find that why can’t the Telegraph?

178334 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to arfurmo, 1, #820 of 1528 🔗

Because they don’t look that’s why. Their columnists if you can call them that cut and paste articles. It’s lazy journalism.

178369 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to arfurmo, #821 of 1528 🔗

Because as one of the comments pointed out, today is Let’s Mask Everybody Everywhere Day, so the piece was appropriate as it stood.

178305 ▶▶▶ dpj, replying to Jay Berger, 2, #822 of 1528 🔗

Does that not confirm that masks are are as good as useless if a biased study has to be paid for to claim they are effective. If they indeed were then lots of independent unbiased tests would have proved they are.

178304 ▶▶ Telpin, replying to arfurmo, #823 of 1528 🔗

I’m at a loss why the DT would publicise other than to criticise? They’re readership is overwhelmingly sceptic.

179029 ▶▶▶ GeorgeCountsToo, replying to Telpin, #824 of 1528 🔗

I think some fascist is forcing them to create false balance, providing equal column inches to loony lockdownist opinions as to sane sceptical ones. But the pro-lockdown articles on the DT always read as more slapdash and ill conceived than the well argued sceptical ones, I hope this is deliberate.

178333 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to arfurmo, #825 of 1528 🔗

I’ve unsubscribed from the DT.

178359 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to arfurmo, #826 of 1528 🔗

Interesting comment:

I live in Canada and this study was in our newspapers as well. Note that it was prepared by economists and is not yet peer reviewed. It also is based on data from July and August, before the exponential growth in cases in Ontario and Quebec. Both those provinces are now under lockdown conditions again with cases averaging over 1000 per day in QC and close to it in ON. They were at less than 100 per day when the mask mandates were issued.

178235 Jay Berger, replying to Jay Berger, 13, #827 of 1528 🔗

£100billion per year for ‘Operation Moonshot’.
What else does anyone need to know to certify Johnson, Hancock, SAGEs, Ferguson, Devi&co as being completely mad?!

178268 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Jay Berger, 3, #828 of 1528 🔗

Perhaps stupidity – whether direct or by complicity – is worse than madness.

178236 Awkward Git, 6, #829 of 1528 🔗
178248 DRW, 12, #830 of 1528 🔗

Thank you for your responses to my earlier comment. I have felt absolutely crap this afternoon because of that and the push to get masks in outdoor areas now, even though reception is very negative. I am naturally pessimistic but now absolutely desperate for some good news.

178252 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 13, #831 of 1528 🔗

Our elder son and his partner have just returned from Turkey and have “locked themselves away for 14 days ( I BLOODY well wouldn’t.)
We went to collect a “click and collect” order for them at Tesco’s in Worcester a 48 mile round trip; turned up at Worcester super store only to be told “Oh, you’ve come to the wrong Worcester super store”
Never mind, the other SS wasn’t far,( thank God for smart phones and Google maps”
Delivered their groceries; “How can we thank you? they said.
Download the Great Barrington declaration says I; our son was a little receptive but Zoe’s “glaring” look said:NO CHANCE!!
The stupid thing about this is, we are in our 70’s and according to some “experts” should be locked away for the next 3 months.

178256 ▶▶ Jim, replying to Fingerache Philip., 14, #832 of 1528 🔗

That’s so ridiculous, you are enabling their mania and hysteria!
Let them sort their own lives out and sounds like they weren’t even grateful for driving halfway across the country for them.

178262 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Jim, 6, #833 of 1528 🔗

I’m afraid that Zoe ( a university graduate) is a true Covid believer.

178273 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Fingerache Philip., 11, #834 of 1528 🔗

I’d be inclined to let her suffer the consequences of her idiocy.

178297 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #835 of 1528 🔗

I’d certainly be inclined to ‘lose’ her favourite tipple or chocs on the way back from the supermarket …

178278 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Fingerache Philip., 8, #836 of 1528 🔗

I would defend her right to practice her religion, but she has no right to force her beliefs on anybody else.

178285 ▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Fingerache Philip., 8, #837 of 1528 🔗

We’ve all met the ZOE type. They believe in the patriarchy/ gender pay gap. The believe in all things identity politics and BLM. Anything the mainstream pushes in her direction.

178538 ▶▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to JHuntz, #838 of 1528 🔗

I wish that all covid believers could be neatly categorised that way. Unfortunately, down here on the south coast, they’re usually wealthy Tory ladies who lunch.

178391 ▶▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #839 of 1528 🔗

Having a degree is no longer evidence that the recipient is either smart or intelligent, as that little episode shows.

178276 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #840 of 1528 🔗

Same here, I’m banned for saying something negative about covid, can’t remember what, but son’s partner said I upset her, son still visits us, so all good.

178316 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #841 of 1528 🔗

Why should you have to keep silent just to protect her irrational feelings?
I really do despair of some people.
I’m probably very lucky in that my family, my sister and two cousins, all think the same way as I do.
My sister picked up on the care home deaths before I did, certain it was just a way of bumping off some of the elderly and saving on pensions and care home fees….

178302 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Fingerache Philip., 5, #842 of 1528 🔗

Personally I’d say you are adults now – sort yourselves out.

We’re looking after ourselves from now on.

Tough love.

179028 ▶▶ GeorgeCountsToo, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #843 of 1528 🔗

The Great Barrington experts do not say you “should” be locked away for 3 months, they say you should be given a choice to be supported in hiding away if you wish to do so while the rest of us build herd immunity for you, or you can come out and live with risk. Gupta and associates have the decency to set out a plan where individuals still get to choose which group to be in, unlike the crooks in whitehall. I literally cannot see how the zealots can manage to object to the GB declaration when they could, to a large extent, choose to keep cowering were it implemented (although only the old and vulnerable who had cause to worry would be helped to do this), proves the zealots aren’t really human I guess.

178253 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 8, #844 of 1528 🔗

Two points

Brilliant interview with one of our stellar nurses…..exactly the kind of person who should be running a hospital but isn’t because insufficiently ‘political’, the usual problem found in all public sector institutions, large corporations.

The question is how come the Health Minister and his too numerous staff are not getting out and meeting front line workers like this and finding this information out for themselves, first hand? Or perhaps they just don’t want to hear it? This whole debacle is like a global pantomime……..oh yes it is!


The indefatigable Swedenborg points out below that covid 19 appears to be seasonal.


That further confirms it as just another common cold coronavirus, all of which are seasonal, and all lethal to the same groups, the elderly, infirm and immunocompromised, just as the heroic nurse points out above.


178269 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tim Bidie, 3, #845 of 1528 🔗

Isn’t that why they deliberately pushed the second ripple into the bona fide flu season?

178282 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #846 of 1528 🔗

I suspected this was the true goal of the first lockdowns- prevent sufficient immunity to ensure a “second wave” later on to keep the masses afraid and obedient, with mass PCR testing added to generate required numbers.

178327 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #847 of 1528 🔗

Most definitely. This was planned from the very beginning. I said this when back in March when our local Christmas Fayre was cancelled!

178255 Ben, 5, #848 of 1528 🔗

Was in triage for suspected heart attack twice at beginning of the ‘pandemic’. Just a few people first time. Mostly empty. Second time a bit busier but moved to triage ward that was mostly empty.

Who’s counting the lockdown suicides? ‘Corona Scandal is a crime against humanity’ – Dr Reiner Fuellmich

178258 tonys, #849 of 1528 🔗

Have any of the prominent sceptics on Twitter picked up this interview today, anyone seen anything?

178263 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 6, #850 of 1528 🔗

BBC News – Covid in Scotland: Bar workers dump leftover ice in closure protest


It’s a start, but a shame to see some protestors blaming other people for what the government’s doing to them.

178266 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to mattghg, 7, #851 of 1528 🔗

And all wearing gimp masks

178310 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to stefarm, 2, #852 of 1528 🔗

I’d go as far as to say something fishy going on. Maybe syncronised actions happen via scocial media these days. Glasgow reportedly delivered a truckload of ice the their council building. The sentiment being ‘frozen to death’.

Complicity in their own industrues downfall by compliance, cannot blame them really. Now it’s time for these industrious people to work out the scam they have unwittingly being compliant with.

178277 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to mattghg, 5, #853 of 1528 🔗

It’s a pretty pathetic protest. I mean as a country we are pretty good at getting rid of water.

178794 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to mattghg, 1, #854 of 1528 🔗

Its like those musicians protesting outside Parliament whilst wearing muzzles and social distancing.

Then asking Rishi Sunak for more money.

Why they’re not asking for an end to lockdown, social distancing and to reopen all venues so that they can perform again is a bleeding mystery.

They’ve been complicit in all this and by simply demanding for more money whilst not going to the root of their problem, they are simply hastening their own demise.

178267 Mabel Cow, replying to Mabel Cow, 13, #855 of 1528 🔗

As other people have reported, searching for “great barrington declaration” on Google is returning anti-GB propaganda.

But interestingly, of the big names it’s only Google who are up to tomfuckery. Bing and Yahoo returned legit results for me. DuckDuckGo is my default search engine, so I hadn’t spotted this manipulation until now.

But check this out. When I do the same search from different parts of the world I see a difference in bias:

  • UK: Anti-GB.
  • USA: Anti-GB.
  • Luxembourg: Anti-GB.
  • Poland: Slightly anti-GB.
  • Lithuania: Slightly anti-GB.
  • Canada: No obvious bias
  • France: No obvious bias.
  • Netherlands: No obvious bias.
  • Germany: No obvious bias.

(I’m doing these searches using the various points-of-presence that my VPN service provides. Before each search I reset the browser cookies and history, and at no point am I logged in to Google.)

My anti-conspiracy stance is definitely taking a beating right now.

178323 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #856 of 1528 🔗

Google definitely bent – just checked it out.

178324 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Mabel Cow, 3, #857 of 1528 🔗

Maybe people in the anti-GB countries you’ve identified WANT to find the counter argument rather than the information/petition, so they’re clicking the links which suit their preconceptions (confirmation bias), thus promoting those links to the top in those areas?

I’ve seen (UK) people who weren’t interested in the original declaration jumping on it with glee now that the refutations are floating around.

179026 ▶▶▶ GeorgeCountsToo, replying to Tee Ell, #858 of 1528 🔗

I’ve seen people widely quoting the so-caleld refutations without ever having looked at the declaration itself. Lockdownists are perfectly happy to parrot anything another lockdownist has said, they deliberately avoid looking at the facts themselves, instead leting a series of lockdownist lunatics distill a version of the initial event for them to comment upon, E.M.Forster’s “The Machine Stops” comes to mind, to misquote that book:

Do not learn anything about this subject of mine—the Great Barrington Declaration. Learn instead what I think that Enicharmon thought Urizen thought Gutch thought Ho-­‐Yung thought Chi-­‐Bo-­‐Sing thought Lafcadio Hearn thought Carlyle thought Mirabeau said about the Great Barrington Declaration.

178331 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #859 of 1528 🔗

Google CEO declared early on that she’d only allow information that is in line with the WHO to appear on YouTube (which is owned by Google), and would remove any CV19 “misinformation.”

Google regularly manipulates searches.
Try typing in “Women can” and “men can” and see what suggestions pop up, and remember that these suggestions are supposedly the most common looked for phrases.

179027 ▶▶▶ GeorgeCountsToo, replying to Lms23, #860 of 1528 🔗

And given that the WHO have at times praised Sweden, given that now the WHO have turned against lockdowns… Perhaps google decided that there is a “greater WHO”, which always approves of the most draconian lockdown possible, even when the actual WHO changes its mind.

178710 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Mabel Cow, #861 of 1528 🔗

That’s very interesting. To be clearer about what’s happening with these search results, one would need to know more about the algorithms they use – any experts out there?

178280 NappyFace, replying to NappyFace, #862 of 1528 🔗

Since none of this makes sense, my conclusion is we are missing some key facts.

Could it be that virus known as SARS-CoV-2 is basically as dangerous as flu, but there is another respiratory illness out there that is really bad and easily transmissible and they are worried about that?

178298 ▶▶ calchas, replying to NappyFace, 3, #863 of 1528 🔗

Where are the corpses to support that idea?

178325 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to NappyFace, 6, #864 of 1528 🔗

There is definitely something we aren’t being told, I’ve felt that from the start. Not necessarily a conspiracy, but something that is not being disclosed. There is no way to explain all this madness otherwise.

178358 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to NappyFace, 3, #865 of 1528 🔗

It’s more a case of arse covering. IFR is now estimated to be 0.14 (WHO) not 1-3%. Lockdown is no longer / never really was a supported policy (WHO) so the biggest policy decision and the reasons for it are wrong. No group who has ever dug so deep is going to admit that level of fuck up.

178390 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to NappyFace, #866 of 1528 🔗

You can get a peak in deaths by changing reporting and then not treating people properly. You don’t need an actual disease

178607 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to NappyFace, 1, #867 of 1528 🔗

I’ve seen some theories floating around that SARS-CoV-2 was an accidental lab release from the Wuhan Institute of Virology (hence why it was said to have started in the wet market, which was only around 400 yards or so from the WIV). World govts were aware of the accident and panicked because they had no idea how bad it would be (turns out now: not that bad at all) but didn’t want to explicitly broadcast the fact that a virus had escaped from a lab because that really would cause worldwide mass panic.

178287 Danny, replying to Danny, 15, #868 of 1528 🔗

Definitely a more dangerous, confrontational edge around now. Do not wear a mask but have always been respectful of the fears (however disproportionate) of others, so I am unfailingly polite and keep my distance. During this last week I have been approached by membership of the public multiple times and told to mask up. I can take it, however unpleasant, but it very threatening and I do worry that we are going to see violent attacks if this hysteria continues, as people are reaching fever pitch mob mentality now.

178294 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Danny, 2, #869 of 1528 🔗

Danny, whereabouts has this been occuring – on the street, in shops?

178321 ▶▶▶ Danny, replying to Ozzie, 3, #870 of 1528 🔗

So far in shops. Luckily. But given the rhetoric of the BMA today, it’s only gonna get worse.

178533 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Danny, 1, #871 of 1528 🔗

I’m sorry that’s happening to you. Fear of that starting was why I switched to online shopping ages ago.

178295 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Danny, 5, #872 of 1528 🔗

Yes, the usual human group dynamics are playing out.

178301 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Danny, 11, #873 of 1528 🔗

They’re being emboldened by the media and politicians. On the few occasions that I listen to LBC, I hear some sanctimonious tw@t boasting about how they confront people who aren’t wearing a mask, with the presenter praising them for their “bravery.”

Apart from claiming exemption, one should perhaps also respond with a comment how you now understand how the Jews in Germany felt, and this mask nonsense shows how they’d have behaved also….

178337 ▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Lms23, 3, #874 of 1528 🔗

Great idea. I will definitely use that analogy.

178396 ▶▶▶ tonys, replying to Lms23, 3, #875 of 1528 🔗

Yes, the Nazis (and anti semites in general) regarded themselves as brave fighters against an evil foe, the parallels with the mask brigade are really quite sinister.

178353 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Danny, 10, #876 of 1528 🔗

It’s depressing that those emboldened to do so only pick on those they percieve to be weak.

I’ve been challenged twice now in my shop and quite aggressively so by other women (I’m a middle-aged woman and a bit tired looking). Funny that neither of these women challenged my male business partner!

But looks can be deceptive and one day someone will realise they picked on the wrong person!

178291 Lms23, replying to Lms23, 3, #877 of 1528 🔗

Received this in a Rebel Media email, regarding a politician in Canada, where RM are based:

“[Doug Ford has] simply stopped being conservative. He’s become a bit of a Justin Trudeau/Theresa Tam mini-me. Just doing whatever the big government public health bureaucracy tells him to do. And he’s getting a really authoritarian tone about him. He denounces pro-freedom protesters.”

Doesn’t that sound all too familiar?

Seems like there are too few conservative politicians who stay conservative and true to their convictions, but instead try to outdo the left-wing authoritarians…

178293 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Lms23, #878 of 1528 🔗

Are they on a payroll or promise?

178332 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #879 of 1528 🔗

Threatened and/or bought off or just a trojan horse to start with.

178292 Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 5, #880 of 1528 🔗

Just read this article in the Latest News (above): https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews/12890163/coronavirus-cases-uk-figure-total/

Really interesting comments below, 90%+ are sceptical.

178319 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ozzie, 1, #881 of 1528 🔗

It’s annoying and poor science when they declare that the spread has slowed or increased based on just one day’s reported figures. One day doesn’t mean anything, and yet they leap on it every time.

178299 Basics, replying to Basics, 3, #882 of 1528 🔗

1 reported hospitality venue case in two weeks from 16 million track and trace apps.

178347 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Basics, 4, #883 of 1528 🔗

Yet the threat of being closed down hangs over us.

178427 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Basics, 3, #884 of 1528 🔗

Does booze affect the number of people who end up @ A&E ? And if you want to make sure A&E is quiet enough for your latest Tick Tock dance maybe you make sure no one can be out and about getting pissed up ? Nothing to do with the Virus directly. More about focus of money.

178300 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 6, #885 of 1528 🔗

The idea is to get people so deranged with their antics and controls that they will be desperate for the vaccine. The end game is the Vaccine ID

178317 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Dan Clarke, 5, #886 of 1528 🔗

That is their plan. What people need to be aski g themselves is WHY is the government going to such extreme lengths to vaccinate us for what is little more than flu? Answer : I believe the vaccine isn’t about Covid at all it’s about Control and Climate change and the vaccine probably does something to our DNA? Something stinks about this and no I won’t be having it!

178322 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #887 of 1528 🔗

My family all say they will take it just to get a holiday and back to normality. It really stinks we now have to take this just to enjoy our once a year holiday.

178370 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to JHuntz, 2, #888 of 1528 🔗

Having the jab will not guarantee a holiday.

Ask them what happens if they have a +test – no holiday.

Too many miles driven?? No holiday as it adds to their carbon footprint.

Too many treats bought in the supermarket, the odd takeaway or McDonald’s as a treat – social credit takes a nosedive which could mean their payment card is stopped for a week so no money to buy a holiday

178382 ▶▶▶▶ Suzyv, replying to JHuntz, 2, #889 of 1528 🔗

As much as I like many others would also like to go away on holiday, I won’t go anywhere near this vaccine. It’s a shame your family will. All I can say is that if you are injured from it, it could be very minor, or could be serious and damage for life. Is it really worth taking that risk? Large sums are paid out for vaccine damage every year and there are still cases going through the courts here for the damage due to the Swine flu vaccine. This one is looking even more sinister. And the manufacturers have been given indemnity from liability. Any claim will be against the Government and currently damages have a limited ceiling. No doubt they will change the law in the underhand way they are currently using and change that too.

178493 ▶▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Suzyv, #890 of 1528 🔗

yeah I have been saying this. I plan to get some info compiled prior to anyone taking the vaccine.

178541 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to JHuntz, #891 of 1528 🔗

Before we all go too far on the vaccine front, a reminder to read Dr Kendrick again, his article on vaccine probability is worthwhile:

179025 ▶▶▶▶ GeorgeCountsToo, replying to JHuntz, #892 of 1528 🔗

A vaccine can’t bring back normality, inlcuding when working to assumptions of their being nothing malicious behind the vaccine, the population have been too brainwashed to regain reason simply because they are given a jab to make them immune. They will find some new worry, the politicians will encourage and appease them in doing so. If we are in a non-conspiracy scenario, a panic and double down to cover initial error scenario, the only way out of this is stopping caring about the virus and seizing back normality, only acceptance of risk can end this, not elimination of risk. If we are in a conspiracy scenario the solution is still the same, seizing back normality will wreck any social credit system plots, but it will be a harder struggle.

178348 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #893 of 1528 🔗

If the government was so concerned about our health, then why were hospitals virtually shut down as the nurse describes.

178354 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to calchas, 2, #894 of 1528 🔗

Don’t ask sensible questions. Go put on your face nappy and stop talking. What do you p think this is, a free country?

178356 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to calchas, 1, #895 of 1528 🔗

I guess you know the answer : it has nothing to do with health and everything to do with money and power.

Real concern with health would have meant a seriously balanced accounting for the damage done by lockdown etc.

178422 ▶▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to calchas, #896 of 1528 🔗

Government department spending is going to fail to reach budgets this year, guaranteed to then see a lower Spending Review settlement, which will take a massive % off the cost of public services year on year for at least this parliament. Shutting hospitals saved money. Economic reality I sense. I might be wrong….

178364 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #897 of 1528 🔗

The vaccine is about money. Always was. Always will be.

178373 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Bella Donna, #898 of 1528 🔗

Not sure about the vaccine with DNA, but definitely, ID, Blair Foundation with Gates Foundation is obsessed with vaccines which in inconjuction with the Climate Change lobby, brings the controls they want, to control travel etc.

178361 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #899 of 1528 🔗

Hence the WHO’s latest tune change on lockdowns, they know they are closing in that. This week the first health passports and vaccine reviews began.

178303 Schrodinger, replying to Schrodinger, 14, #900 of 1528 🔗

What now?

Lots of the usual comments here, but leaving aside how much of this is planned (The Great Reset etc) what are people’s views on what is going to happen in practical terms?

Personally I don’t see how you can stop the world economy for months, print money and not expect a catastrophic social collapse of some sort. What is the fallout going to be? Once economic panic sets in all bets are off in my opinion.

No one seems to be addressing this at all


178308 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Schrodinger, 4, #901 of 1528 🔗

It’s obvious to me that the entire USD based global monetary system is at grave risk of collapsing. When that happens, expect carnage. It will be replaced by some sort of crypto currency. I’m tucking money away into various crtyptos as an insurance, though I don’t know how effective that’ll be.

178328 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to leggy, 6, #902 of 1528 🔗

expect carnage

This is what I think, too.

Crime will increase massively.


As a population we seem miles away from protesting as a collective even if significant hardship sets in.

I also agree with this, and I find it increasingly worrying.

178371 ▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Ceriain, 3, #903 of 1528 🔗

Don’t feel too bad. As an Irishman whose history is all about fighting I was told a great joke about the English.

Why are they so slow to fight back? Because when they do you get a 100 Years War

178424 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to mhcp, 3, #904 of 1528 🔗

Well, I’m Scottish (live in England), but do appreciate the gag.

My worries, apart from a rise in crime, which I think is inevitable – crime rises in recessions, is the mistrust people will have for people they previously trusted; e.g. the police, doctors (even those who seemed to be against the narrative, but still went with along with it) who locked people out of their surgeries, hospitals who wouldn’t see patients; even MPs (there are some good ones) who, like the doctors, seemed to question the narrative, but also went along with it.

The list is not exhaustive.

178527 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Ceriain, #905 of 1528 🔗

The list of one traditional “authority figure” that comes out of this with any credit is rather short.
Given the financial hole we will be in for a generation+, there are solid grounds for setting a maximum taxpayer funded pension of 2 x state pension and not payable till retirement age.
Its economies like that we will need to allow sate spending to continue on the essentials.

178665 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Nessimmersion, #906 of 1528 🔗

I think there are strong grounds for pushing a button to create the money to pay off the debt once/if the economy returns to normal. I think the markets might accept it.

178483 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to mhcp, #907 of 1528 🔗

“As an Irishman whose history is all about fighting”

What went wrong? The present day Irish are a flock of sheep – following government orders blindly and happily enforcing the rules on others.

178330 ▶▶▶ Schrodinger, replying to leggy, 3, #908 of 1528 🔗

Crypto currency fits with many scenarios and China is looking to be one of the main players. All we need then is a massive solar storm of course (one in a thousand year event I seem to recall)!

I’m thinking from a practical point of view. Property market crash? Mass unemployment, massive decline in living standards. Government making a massive tax grab of savings?

As I say no one seems to be questioning these possibilities. Just stay at home and we’ll print some more money is all that we hear at present.

178376 ▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Schrodinger, #909 of 1528 🔗

Crypto can survive EMPs and flares because you only need a copy of the blockchain. And you print that out on metal. Which some places are thinking of doing.

179024 ▶▶▶▶▶ GeorgeCountsToo, replying to mhcp, #910 of 1528 🔗

You’d better hope someone has printed out a copy of the algorithms to process your blockchain, of the operating system to run those algorithms, of the schematics of how to make a CPU to run that OS, of a list of how to rebuild a global network that can let blockchain transcations run over it… After an apocalypse having details of how to build wind turbines and farm machinery is going to be a lot more use than a blockchain no-one else can read.

178381 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to leggy, 1, #912 of 1528 🔗

Replaced by the Chinese renminbi?

I don’t see the US collapsing unless the Democrats impose a nationwide lockdown.
The US is in extreme danger of sliding into a civil war, however, whatever the outcome of the election.

The UK could end up looking like Weimar Germany, with mass unemployment, and a currency that collapses under all the debt, with too few able to pay the taxes to support it.

178408 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to leggy, #913 of 1528 🔗

Just 26 of the world’s richest
people have more combined wealth than the poorest 3.8 billion people. Something tells me that the poor will be poorer and the rich will be richer and that any expectation outside of that is not reasonable.

178677 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Leemc23, #914 of 1528 🔗

There was a time when the US saw the dangers of wealth concentration and brought in anti-trust legislation to break up super companies. Can anyone remind me how much Bezos earns per minute?

178318 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Schrodinger, 6, #915 of 1528 🔗

I honestly think we all just have a collectively poorer standard of living across all public services. As a population we seem miles away from protesting as a collective even if significant hardship sets in.

178367 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to JHuntz, 3, #916 of 1528 🔗

Clearly, one of the agendas is that of softening people up and inducing a grovelling shit-eating state of mind(lessness)

178414 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to JHuntz, 2, #917 of 1528 🔗

Your point about public services is correct. These will become virtually non existent. But that’s what the Conservatives party would ultimately like to have happened anyway – and before anyone thinks different. I am anti Labour !

178341 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Schrodinger, 12, #918 of 1528 🔗

I think there is a very strong case to be made that this whole exercise is taking place precisely because the authorities realize that implosion of the financial system is near.

In this line of thinking the authorities would be faced with incredible challenges to keep the flow of essential goods – food, fuel, medicine – going, and of course in maintaining public order. Perhaps they are tring to proactively get ahead of the curve by tightening social control and accustoming the population to abnormality, emergency and compliance.

I think that most western states will experience very large declines in living standards in the near future, together with hyperinflation and the associated destruction of savings.

This would also explain the willingness of governments to spend vast sums of borrowed money – or even just print the stuff.

They know the system is doomed. They know they won’t have to pay it back in real terms.

178363 ▶▶▶ Van Allen, replying to calchas, 6, #919 of 1528 🔗

Exactly. I have thought since the furlough system was introduced. The vast amounts being spent on testing and the 100 billion pound moonshine experiment which have no tangible benefits just confirm that they expect massive inflation (or worse) to erode the cost of their borrowing. In addition to blaming the pandemic for the collapse, they will have a compliant population and restrictive laws in place to quell any uprising. Oh and the army will already be on the streets.

178368 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Schrodinger, 2, #920 of 1528 🔗

The world economy has not really ever stopped in my view. The rich are continuing to get richer. Just as they always did. It’s just their are less crumbs falling down from high for the poor people to nibble on.

178380 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Leemc23, 2, #921 of 1528 🔗

I think it’s the same as anything. As long as you can put off getting the bill you can afford it.

178565 ▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to Schrodinger, 1, #922 of 1528 🔗

The only thing you can be sure of is that – if it was planned (which I personally doubt) – it will not go the way it was planned. Nothing on this scale ever does. Anything could happen.

178658 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Jakehadlee, #923 of 1528 🔗

I don’t believe the virus was planned but lockdown lunacy was.

178656 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Schrodinger, #924 of 1528 🔗

A lot will depend on the outcome if the US Presidential election. If Biden wins expect the “crisis” to be wound down by February.

178307 JHuntz, replying to JHuntz, 9, #925 of 1528 🔗

Looking at them now pushing masks outside and the complete obedience of the population. Sometimes I just feel like getting a clear mask and piercing holes in it. Would make my life a whole lot less stressful living amongst complete zombies.

178329 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to JHuntz, 26, #926 of 1528 🔗

Never give up, never give in, never forget, never forgive.

178338 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Awkward Git, 6, #927 of 1528 🔗

appreciate your resolve these last few weeks have been crushing…

178350 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #928 of 1528 🔗


178401 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to JHuntz, 4, #929 of 1528 🔗

Get a Plastic Iron Man mask. It will at least be funny. Masks do not work so any humour you can bring will at least make you feel better. Or just claim a reasonable exemption. Here’s one. “I do not wear a mask as I reasonably believe that since they have become more wide spread more infections have happened. They are therefore demonstrated to be more risky”.

178412 ▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to Leemc23, 1, #930 of 1528 🔗

Or wear a balaclava

178445 ▶▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Chris John, #931 of 1528 🔗

Yeah. That would work too. Best way to make people aware of how stupid they are is to be stupid right back at them.

178435 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Leemc23, 3, #932 of 1528 🔗

And it’s true what you say as it comes under “avoid harm or injury”!

When you read the exemptions, everyone is exempt. But people have a worrying social acceptance fear.

178455 ▶▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Country Mumkin, 9, #933 of 1528 🔗

I don’t wear a mask / face covering as I have cardiovascular disease.

I am lucky in that I am fairly young and exercise well and live a reasonable life style that keeps me going well. I’ve a long way to go before I even hit 50, so it’s on me to be fit and healthy and I have not had a single day off sick in 5+ years. So I am doing good.

But if anyone thinks I am climbing off a hospital bed and getting myself “well” again to then go and compromise my cardiovascular system with a mask, for something that is unlikely to do me any harm they have another thing coming and I simply won’t comply.

Even if it was proven to be 99% effective to wear a mask I recognise that air and breathing is more important to my system than the risk faced. Go out on a day like today and it’s actually harder to breathe the cooler damp air. Imagine that with a mask. No ta.

Stay sane. As someone who is considered “at risk” I refute that and would rather live my life !

178406 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to JHuntz, 3, #934 of 1528 🔗

We must never comply. I for one will take whatever they throw at me willingly. I will never submit myself to a delusion.

178416 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to JHuntz, 3, #935 of 1528 🔗

How about a mask made of fish net stockings. There is a pattern on the net on how to knit a face mask, I kid you not. My wife has actually seen somebody wearing a knitted face mask.

178349 ▶▶ annie, replying to Mark, 12, #937 of 1528 🔗

Twelve more human beings added to the total.

178357 ▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to Mark, 10, #938 of 1528 🔗

A handful of actual conservatives somehow surviving in a far flung orbit around their hollowed out party.

178379 ▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to Mark, 2, #939 of 1528 🔗

I usually despise the Lords on principle but I’m glad they’ve proved useful for something. (Well, 12 of them anyway.)

178799 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to nocheesegromit, 3, #940 of 1528 🔗

The irony is the Lords have managed to get more things done than the useless Commons.

178392 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Mark, 2, #941 of 1528 🔗

Well done to those who signed that. Completely sensible.

178421 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Mark, 1, #942 of 1528 🔗

Come on guys, make a proper stand against this.

178522 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Mark, 3, #943 of 1528 🔗

“If lockdown were a treatment undergoing a clinical trial, the trial would be halted because of the side effects.”

178524 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to ConstantBees, #944 of 1528 🔗

Excellent point.

178908 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to ConstantBees, #945 of 1528 🔗

Loved that myself

179023 ▶▶▶ GeorgeCountsToo, replying to ConstantBees, #946 of 1528 🔗

I’ve been using this argument for months, but glad someone else thought of it too.

178351 GorbalsGirl, replying to GorbalsGirl, 10, #947 of 1528 🔗

Kudos to Jessica for speaking out. And what a horror story of pointless human suffering and organisational evil she brings. How all these cretinous lockdown loving fascists have the gall to take the moral highground I have no idea.

I work as a biostatistician and all week have been watching my educated colleagues bitch about ‘stupid people’ who are to blame for ‘breaking the rules and causing another lockdown’. These are normally intellegent people who have PhDs in statistics and have even lectured at top universities!! People trained to look critically at empirical data and ask hard questions of authority. And yet add one dose of fear into their minds, and all of these educated professionals happily devolve into slavering baboons looking for witches to burn.

It’s absolutely terrifying. But people like Jessica give me hope that all is not lost and that humanity can one day recover its lost dignity and balls.

178463 ▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to GorbalsGirl, 1, #948 of 1528 🔗

Well said.

178355 Telpin, replying to Telpin, 23, #949 of 1528 🔗

Am going to have to take a break from all news for a few days. I seriously cannot stand any more of it. The BMA advocating the opposite of ‘first do no harm’ is the Last straw.

178362 ▶▶ annie, replying to Telpin, 2, #950 of 1528 🔗

Good idea.
We have a Telpyn beach near us. Nice place to be.

178372 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Telpin, 2, #951 of 1528 🔗

It’s sh*t.

I feel very similar. Take care.

CM x

178387 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Telpin, 13, #952 of 1528 🔗

The BMA is not a medical body. It’s a trade union. Ignore them. Just because they have “medical” in their title it does not mean much. It’s like letting Dr Dre do your operation because of his name. Be strong. Use the facts to counter their lies. Since face nappies have come in cases have increased. Fact.

178437 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Leemc23, 4, #953 of 1528 🔗

Once Bevan had published his Bill on the health service in 1946, one former chairman of the BMA described Bevan’s proposals in the following terms:
“I have examined the Bill and it looks to me uncommonly like the first step, and a big one, to national socialism as practised in Germany.
The medical service there was early put under the dictatorship of a “medical fuhrer” The Bill will establish the minister for health in that capacity.”

178360 annie, replying to annie, 15, #954 of 1528 🔗

An ickle pwitty wombling song
perfect for Covid Wombles everywhere
Cos it mostly avoids big words that they can’t understand.
Suitable for performance on Tik Tok.

In your town, in your street, Wombling free
The totalitarian Wombles are we
Poking our noses in places to find
Bad things that are done by the rest of mankind.

Gauleiter Matt, he remembers the days
When he didn’t have his foot on your neck
With his murderous schemes
Pick up the old folk and dump them in death camps.

Wombles are organised, work as a team,
Wombles are nasty and Wombles are mean,
In your street, in your house, Wombling free,
We will denounce everything that we see.

People all fear us cos they’re never free:
Always under their noses a Womble will be,
Bullying at curfew and snitching by day,
Looking for folk so’s to lock them away.

We’re so incredibly, utterly loathsome…

178375 ▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to annie, #955 of 1528 🔗

Brilliant, though I’m loathed to see a classic song and show associated with this mess…

178635 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to nocheesegromit, 1, #956 of 1528 🔗

The Wombles could clear it up…

178806 ▶▶▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to OKUK, #957 of 1528 🔗

True – much better than Boris and co

178404 ▶▶ Liam, replying to annie, #958 of 1528 🔗

May I nick that?

178432 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Liam, #959 of 1528 🔗

Be my guest!
I’ve nothing against the original Wombles, btw.

178409 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to annie, 2, #960 of 1528 🔗

Showing your age if your remember the wobbles from the first time around.

remember seeing them on stage in Edinburgh cough cough cough years ago.

178426 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to annie, 2, #961 of 1528 🔗

Wonderful, thanks for all your contributions.

A rave from the grave that seems to fit.

You that hide behind walls
You that hide behind desks
I just want you to know
I can see through your masks …

Let me ask you one question
Is your money that good
Will it buy you forgiveness
Do you think that it could
I think you will find
When your death takes its toll
All the money you made
Will never buy back your soul

178434 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #962 of 1528 🔗

Zombies have no souls and they sold them bloody cheap.

178440 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to annie, #963 of 1528 🔗

Excellent point, of course! At least Robert Johnson got something for his soul down at ‘the crossroads’. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MM4Rs5Hg7rc

178520 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 1, #964 of 1528 🔗

Pearl Jam does a great cover of this.

178547 ▶▶ Brian D, replying to annie, 1, #965 of 1528 🔗

To be fair I’m certain most covid wombles would actually be well meaning if totally misguided but they could have one useful job – going round picking up all those discarded masks.

178581 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Brian D, #966 of 1528 🔗

“I’m certain most covid wombles would actually be well meaning.”

Their attitude to their “job” is irrelevant.

178600 ▶▶ James, replying to annie, 2, #967 of 1528 🔗

Hi Ann,

I think that some of the people behind this genuinely believe it is all for our own good. I mean the imposition of totalitarianism, not the Lockdown . So many revolutions have been brought about for genuinely good reasons. But somehow it always goes terribly wrong. I think
that is because the motivating factor is nearly always a reaction to something rather than a genuine pull towards something good. I wonder if some of the globalists behind the scenes genuinely believe that we need to lower world population and drastically reduce CO2 emissions in order to save the world? They believe that the sacrifice of whole cultures, billions of people, and democracy itself is worth it to
preserve the species. They play God because they have no faith in God. They are driven by fear; so their methods are terrifying. The fascist thugs and criminals who they ally themselves with exploit the genuine goodwill for more psychopathic ends.

178661 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to James, #968 of 1528 🔗

A character in a Heinlein novel ‘sometimes thinks that “good intentions” should be declared a capital crime’.

178365 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 12, #969 of 1528 🔗

BMA recommending face nappies on the street.
Time to blow the dust off my Mask exemption badge.

178377 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Fingerache Philip., 8, #970 of 1528 🔗

Based purely on the data / science they claim to be following. Social distancing and hand washing brings R below 1. Social distancing + including face nappies brings R above 1. If someone wants to wear a faith based mask. It’s their choice but always remind them of facts and they include the fact that since masks have become a thing. Cases have gone up.

178394 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Leemc23, 6, #971 of 1528 🔗

There’s none so deaf as those who don’t want to hear/There’s none so blind as those who don’t want to see.

178413 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Fingerache Philip., #972 of 1528 🔗

Have been saving my Delingpod ‘rainbow worrier’ for this. ‘We’re all going to die’ is accurate and uncontroversial after all.

178366 Basics, replying to Basics, 6, #973 of 1528 🔗

Edinburgh ‘BBC embeds’ Live writes:

Anti-mask protest Edinburgh: Hundreds gather outside Holyrood in to ‘fight against lockdown’
The protesters have gathered outside the Scottish Parliament in Edinburgh despite being warned to stay away by Police Scotland

Large crowds of protesters have gathered outside of Holyrood in Edinburgh today in a ‘protest against Scotland’s lockdown.’

As COVID in Scotland continues to surge with 1,009 new cases confirmed today, Police Scotland urged the protesters to find “alternative ways to protest rather than attending mass gatherings, for example through digital means.”

Pictures taken and shared on Twitter from the protest today appear to show hundreds of people gathered outside the parliament bearing placards and loudspeakers.

Police Scotland have warned that they will “go ahead and will act decisively to enforce the law if required.”

Go to EL if you want more of the article.

178383 ▶▶ Arkansas, replying to Basics, 4, #974 of 1528 🔗

“alternative ways to protest rather than attending mass gatherings, for example through digital means .”

They probably think that this means a nice Zoom chat or posting a few comments in The Guardian , but that’s not how a lot of capable people might interpret that piece of incitement.

178397 ▶▶▶ Hoppy Uniatz, replying to Arkansas, 2, #975 of 1528 🔗

Means using hand signals … obvs

178407 ▶▶▶▶ Arkansas, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 1, #976 of 1528 🔗

Very good. Matt Handjob fan club and all that.

178690 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Arkansas, #977 of 1528 🔗

Digital means – and then the digital media companies censor you (as with the Great Barrington Declaration).

178419 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Basics, 2, #978 of 1528 🔗

“alternative ways to protest rather than attending mass gatherings, for example through digital means.”

Because we know how effective that is.
Plus: the PTB will know who and where you are.

178429 ▶▶ annie, replying to Basics, 2, #979 of 1528 🔗

No, make the police go to Ell.

178446 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Basics, 3, #980 of 1528 🔗

Bollocks I’ll be dead in 2 weeks.

Good by one and all, no need for flowers but a donation to the it’s all bollocks fund will suffice.

For my headstone ‘i told you I wasn’t I’ll, it was the PCR test that did it’

178386 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 2, #981 of 1528 🔗

BBC allowing mask zealots a free reign – some chump in Cumbria currently pushing “masks for all”, everywhere.

178453 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tenchy, 1, #983 of 1528 🔗

He was the one on Question Time around the time Ferguson’s model was published, ranting and screaming that we had to lock down immediately. Bitter and twisted that he did not get the top job as CMO. Links to all the usual suspects on Independent (aka ‘also ran’) SAGE.


178901 ▶▶▶▶ Gavroche, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #984 of 1528 🔗

There’s a YouTube clip somewhere of Ashton stating that wearing a face-covering to protect others against Covid is the same as wearing a condom to protect others against HIV. Oh really, Professor Ashton, so you can make a condom at home out of a used inner tube, can you, just like you can make a face-covering out of an old T-Shirt? Christ alive and they wonder why the public have little faith in ‘scientists’!

178492 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Tenchy, 2, #985 of 1528 🔗

Oh look, someone else fattening themselves on Taxpayers cash.

178403 ▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Tenchy, #986 of 1528 🔗

Do you mean these twerps?


178411 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to T. Prince, #987 of 1528 🔗

No, not those precise toss-pots, but someone with a similar view.

178423 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Tenchy, 3, #988 of 1528 🔗

Makes me sick just looking at those eyes squinting over the top, bloody fools, We need MaskFreeUK, how dare they force their sick ideas on others.

178393 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, #989 of 1528 🔗

I downloaded the web app this week. Brilliant. Doesn’t work now. Website shut down and it’s developer is now a ‘non person’. Pretty damn efficient, eh? Not so efficient at putting up workable ones.


178544 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to James Leary #KBF, #990 of 1528 🔗

I thought you meant VICE didn’t work so I was happy! Awful site. This is worth a chuckle though:

179022 ▶▶ GeorgeCountsToo, replying to James Leary #KBF, #991 of 1528 🔗

Might the original download of the source code for the fake covid app still be available via archive.org? If I’d thought to I should have got archive.org to save a copy of the covid1984.life pages when I visited them last week.

178398 T. Prince, replying to T. Prince, 7, #992 of 1528 🔗

Just when I thought clown world couldn’t get any clownier…

The White Company (Trafford Centre) this afternoon.

Wife wanted to try on a top. Shop assistant said “Of course, we sanitize the fitting rooms after every customer AND we quarantine any clothes not subsequently bought for 48 hours…”

178405 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to T. Prince, 8, #993 of 1528 🔗

Bloody idiots! Good job the supermarkets don’t do that with everything on the shelves.

178575 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Tenchy, #994 of 1528 🔗

God, don’t give them ideas!

178745 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to T. Prince, #995 of 1528 🔗

I don’t venture out too often if I can help it, but if a shop is going a bit OTT with the regulations I try to point out the lunacy, by saying that I assume their chip & pin card machines are quarantined between every customer?!

179021 ▶▶▶ GeorgeCountsToo, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, #996 of 1528 🔗

Don’t use chip and pin, especially don’t use contactless. Force them to accept cash, our right to make payments without approval and surveillance by countless financial middlemen is something we must fight for.

178400 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #997 of 1528 🔗

I wonder if on a nudist/naturist beach, you would be made to wear a mask?

178402 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #998 of 1528 🔗


178418 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Tenchy, 6, #999 of 1528 🔗

Makes me think of Parson’s Pleasure in Oxford…

‘Parson’s Pleasure is now only a scene for tales from the folklore of the university. One anecdote has it that a number of dons were sunbathing naked at Parson’s Pleasure when a female student floated by in a punt. All but one of the startled dons covered their genitals—Maurice Bowra placed a flannel over his head instead. When asked why he had done so, he replied, “I don’t know about you, gentlemen, but in Oxford, I, at least, am known by my face.”’

178470 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #1000 of 1528 🔗


178420 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Fingerache Philip., 5, #1001 of 1528 🔗



“Between the water and my window strode a man, naked as Adam, his testicles swinging freely in the breeze. His only item of clothing was the surgical mask he wore clamped on his face.“

178626 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Liam, 1, #1002 of 1528 🔗

God was having a bad day when he designed those…”I’ll put them on the outside…I’ll make they’re super-sensitive…yeah they can go in bag and swing around…OK, cover them in some stray hairs…perfect!”

178631 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to OKUK, 2, #1003 of 1528 🔗

Testicular masks coming your way shortly.

178441 ▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Fingerache Philip., #1005 of 1528 🔗

Yes. Ask Douglas Murray.

I’m reading The transatlantic mask divide via the Spectator app


178536 ▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to James Leary #KBF, 2, #1006 of 1528 🔗

Thanks. Christ New York sounds appalling doesn’t it.

178740 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 1, #1007 of 1528 🔗

Indeed. this was posted a while back, through the eyes of a lifelong NY’er:

178911 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #1009 of 1528 🔗

Douglas Murray has just written an article about that in the Spectator . Yes, you do.

178415 Lms23, replying to Lms23, 12, #1010 of 1528 🔗

“Boris Johnson planning to cut reoffending with jobs and homes for ex-offenders
New targets mean prisons will be measured on their success in finding accommodation and work for their inmates on release”


Anyone else think Boris is nuts?
How to get a home and a job: Get sent to prison first. Reward criminal behaviour.
And exactly what jobs are going to be available after Boris and friends have destroyed the economy??

178430 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Lms23, 6, #1011 of 1528 🔗

Easier question. Anyone think Johnson is sane ?

178628 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Leemc23, 2, #1012 of 1528 🔗

Deafening silence.

178457 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Lms23, #1013 of 1528 🔗

Timpsons are already doing a fine job for ex-offenders.

178472 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Nobody2020, #1014 of 1528 🔗

Would you trust him to fix your shoes?

178574 ▶▶ John P, replying to Lms23, #1015 of 1528 🔗

“Anyone else think Boris is nuts?”

I thought he was long ago, but that’s just me!

178608 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Lms23, 2, #1016 of 1528 🔗

Well, I think it’s nuts when we release someone from prison with no job to go to I’d be happy to see prisoners move into jobs as a condition of early release.

179020 ▶▶ GeorgeCountsToo, replying to Lms23, #1017 of 1528 🔗

Hopefully this plan implies Boris expects to find himself going through prison soon.

178431 Arsh, replying to Arsh, 15, #1018 of 1528 🔗

I know I shouldn’t be but I’m genuinely shocked by the shadow banning of the GBD by Google, and by Channel 4 News preferring to believe Devi Sridhar rather than the world’s finest scientific minds. I see the predicted Guardian smear campaign has begun, too. What forces are at play here? The whole thing is becoming more sinister by the day. Is this really what fear does to people? Is this how totalitarian propaganda works? Not even in the dark days of the miners’ strike and the dodgy dossier did I feel the agenda was being manipulated in such a cynical way, but to what end? And why are people falling for it? The madness of crowds, or the compliance of cowards?
I know the GBD is a little vague around the practicalities of shielding but as a compassionate approach to the crisis it has validity, with Sweden providing clear evidence that there are alternatives to putting everyone under house arrest. Surely ‘Focused Protection’ deserves consideration. It’s no surprise the drug companies are funding much of the opposition through the ‘science media centre’ but why are left-leaning news channels so opposed to any challenge to the orthodoxy? I know socialists are psychologically disposed to imposing state control over individuals but surely this would be an opportunity to get one over on the hapless Tories and Big Pharma. Or is it because one of Trump’s advisors had the audacity to meet the GBD leaders? Yes, that would explain it.

178577 ▶▶ James, replying to Arsh, 3, #1019 of 1528 🔗

Many left wing ( and right wing ) organisations are funded by the Gates Foundation. They are effectively paid to back up his opinions and agendas. This is not about left and right. It is about an extreme totalitarian agenda( which is an amalgam of corporate and statist control ) and true democracy.

178578 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to James, 1, #1020 of 1528 🔗

No, I think this is about Gates pushing his pet agendas.

178599 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to James, 1, #1021 of 1528 🔗

Don’t forget the multi-layered Soros funding beinv used to promote mass migration, PC culture and globalist economics.

178436 Cheezilla, #1022 of 1528 🔗

Cl. Arvay explains here why and how the vaccine is hurried- “telescoping” of phases

Would appreciate brief overview from German speakers please. Subtitles also in German and mine’s too rusty!


178439 Les Tricoteuses, 7, #1023 of 1528 🔗

About Google, just stop using it. There are good alternatives now, Duck Duck Go is my choice and brings up the GBD correctly.

178442 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 18, #1024 of 1528 🔗

So we need to redouble our efforts to protect the NHS.

One would think that between April and September they might have been preparing the NHS to cope ?

Using their well trod path of “reasonable worst case scenario” should they not have been surging the NHS capacity to cope with the demand over the past 5 months rather than now getting to October and needing more community based interventions to save the NHS ? Odd really is it not? If we need to gimp mask on mass and avoid pubs what have they been doing for 5 months with Prof Pantsdown’s modelling?

Surely we can all now say, “sorry you had 5 months to get the NHS ready for your (pretend) second wave. This is your problem now. Do not expect me to save the poxy thing or to clap on a Thursday”. Surely that’s a reasonable response. Fucking clowns.

The NHS is, with some exceptions, in my experience pretty shite and does not on the whole deserve much other than complete contempt.

178489 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Leemc23, 4, #1025 of 1528 🔗

In comparison with all the Northern European countries the UK NHS has performed abominally badly.
There is an argument its about on a par with Italy/Spain.
None of the Northern EU countries cancelled cancer screening, 90% of dental care, general surgery etc.
Its something unique to the UK of idle jobsworths looking for any excuse not to do their job and getting away with it.

178505 ▶▶ Sceptical Lefty, replying to Leemc23, 3, #1026 of 1528 🔗

The Government chose to prioritize Covid over all else and can’t accept that 81 is a reasonable age to die. How many of the latest hospital admissions are aged 75 and over?

178510 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Leemc23, 6, #1027 of 1528 🔗

They faffed about for a while thinking masks in shops and on public transport would solve the problem, and if not we were promised a miracle vaccine as early as September. Quite some time was wasted in randomly deciding which countries required quarantine. For a good week or so they told us to go back to the office and get on with life. Then they all went on their summer hols, came back to the chaos of schools returning in September and the panic began.

178843 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1028 of 1528 🔗

You are very much bang on the money there.

178590 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Leemc23, 2, #1029 of 1528 🔗

Hang on – those Tik Tok dance routines take a lot of time and resources to plan. This means owing to government underfunding, there is no capacity for pandemic planning.

178449 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Cheezilla, -3, #1031 of 1528 🔗

Won’t a flu jab confer some cross immunity?

178464 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #1032 of 1528 🔗

No. Influenza is a completely different virus. Which is also why the “second wave” model based on the Spanish Flu has no basis in reality. Influenza viruses are trained commandos, coronaviruses are ranting drunks.
Having ever had a cold, however – assuming it was a coronavirus cold rather than a rhinovirus – should confer at least some immunity on a system that isn’t totally amnesiac

178572 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #1033 of 1528 🔗

Unfortunately, I can only give you one uptick for this post!

178653 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #1034 of 1528 🔗

Thanks! In terms that make more sense to me than the %s – “Influenza viruses are trained commandos, coronaviruses are ranting drunks.”

178743 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tom Blackburn, #1035 of 1528 🔗

Makes covid worse, apparently.

178961 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Tom Blackburn, #1036 of 1528 🔗

The flu jab confers a 51% greater chance of pneumonia and a 36% increased chance of Covid-19, whatever that might be. As far as I can tell the only people who die from Covid-19 are those who had the flu shot. I trust you have had yours.

178447 T. Prince, replying to T. Prince, 2, #1037 of 1528 🔗

More fiddling the numbers?

PHE Weekly Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) surveillance report

“This will be the last COVID-19 surveillance report, as of 8 October 2020, the information in this report will be published in a combined Weekly flu and COVID-19 Surveillance Report on GOV.UK.”

Does this mean that the deaths from Covid and the flu are to be counted together?


178585 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to T. Prince, #1038 of 1528 🔗

I very much doubt it.

178448 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #1039 of 1528 🔗

I realised something ironic – the most ironic thing of my lifetime, I think, apart from the career of Tony Blair.
It would have been far better if Labour had won – with a small majority, say 20 – last December. They would, of course, have ducked everything up as thoroughly as this lot. But PM Corbyn as a lockdown sceptic and most of his party as lockdown zealots? They’d have torn themselves apart forever.
Meanwhile Johnson would have been toast and the Tories would have a proper leader of the opposition able to argue freely for the Swedish model.
Solon of Athens was right: judge no man happy until he be dead and the funeral dues paid.

178466 ▶▶ RickH, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 7, #1040 of 1528 🔗

The Tories had their chance – and comprehensively screwed the nation.

No excuses.

178474 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to RickH, 1, #1041 of 1528 🔗

For clarification – I’m not a Corbyn supporter or a conservative supporter, I’m just pointing out the irony. And I think I’ve had enough of the lot of you for tonight, so good night.

PS Piers Corbyn is even more of a twat than his bloody brother

178528 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, -4, #1042 of 1528 🔗

Jeremy Corbyn isn’t a twat.

178476 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, #1043 of 1528 🔗

Enthusiastically pushed by the even more hysterical Labour Party.

Two vital things – the “Conservative” Party must suffer for what they’ve done, and people like you must not get away with enabling the Labour Party to benefit from their own complicity.

178539 ▶▶▶ BarbedBob, replying to RickH, #1044 of 1528 🔗

The Corbynite left seem to want the Labour party to push for another severe national lockdown:


no doubt the total destruction of the economy and particularly small businesses will go some way to make even more clients of the state that can be groomed as future voters.

178473 ▶▶ Mark, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #1045 of 1528 🔗

PM Corbyn as a lockdown sceptic

Unless his brother has won him over, Corbyn was always a panicker and hysteric. He was one of the ones criticising the government for seeking a Sweden style policy, before the big bug out in March driven by the likes of Corbyn.

Here he is in August, quoted as describing herd immunity as “eugenic”, the twat.

Jeremy Corbyn: government lectured me about herd immunity
Former Labour leader describes idea of letting Covid spread across population as ‘eugenic’

178502 ▶▶▶ Sceptical Lefty, replying to Mark, 1, #1046 of 1528 🔗

As I said above neither party are prepared to abandon the disastrous and failed lockdown approach

179019 ▶▶▶ GeorgeCountsToo, replying to Mark, #1047 of 1528 🔗

Most disgusting thing about that rubbish he talked in August is how uterly wrong it is, herd immunity is the strong protecting the weak by catching covid so the weak don’t have to. That is the very opposite of eugenics.

178497 ▶▶ Sceptical Lefty, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #1048 of 1528 🔗

The two main parties contain few thoroughgoing lockdown sceptics. I feel it’s like having a government of national unity. I have no-one to vote for. The Tories lost their nerve because Johnson wanted to be popular and panicked along with the public.

178680 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Sceptical Lefty, 1, #1049 of 1528 🔗

It’s a government of national insanity.

178523 ▶▶ John P, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #1050 of 1528 🔗

I didn’t vote at the last election, but I preferred Corbyn to Johnson.

Corbyn was not a strong leader though. He failed to guarantee Brexit and that badly harmed him.

He was also relentlessly and scandalously smeared as an anti-Semite.

(I doubt that a man in his mid sixties who grows his own veg would have brought a communist revolution.)

179018 ▶▶ GeorgeCountsToo, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #1051 of 1528 🔗

I’m not sure if J Corbyn is a sceptic, his brother Piers is on our side, but Jeremy probably has no opinion on this matter. If it isn’t about making “peace” with violent organisations across the world then J Corbyn isn’t interested. His party if they’d had a majority could have pushed him to lock down.

I think the best election result would have been something where nobody had a majority at all, a total hung parliament, if they couldn’t agree on everything they might have eben so paralysed that no-one could have passed any kind of coronavirus act, no-one could have declared a lockdown, and before we knew it we’d have been Sweden by default. I’m a remainer, but in hindsight I’d actually have liked to see a situation where enough Brexit Party (seem pretty sceptical) and DUP (I hear they’ve gone sceptic recently) got in that they could have been vital to any party getting even temporary support for actions. I think in such circumstances of a hung parliament there would be enough possible gains for all the different parties to “play for” that they’d betray each other often enough never to form any alliance stable enough to enact a lockdown.

178450 Will, replying to Will, 25, #1052 of 1528 🔗

Off topic, but delighted that world rugby have ruled that women’s rugby is for women who were born women. I love rugby and really enjoy watching women’s rugby because it is not all about bish, bash, bosh. Allowing women who have been through a male puberty to play against women who haven’t is a recipe for life changing injury and the end of women’s rugby as an insurable sport; and, in the longer term, the men’s game as well. Brave of world rugby to stand up to the Stonewall fascists but Bill Beaumont has faced off a few bully boys in his time.

178460 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Will, 2, #1053 of 1528 🔗

Never been interested in rugby, but always happy to hear of any resistance to the pc tide.

178494 ▶▶▶ Sceptical Lefty, replying to Mark, -6, #1054 of 1528 🔗

However this site also includes those of us who are lockdown sceptics but support trans rights. Let’s keep to topic

178525 ▶▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Sceptical Lefty, 5, #1055 of 1528 🔗

No one has said anything about not supporting trans rights. It was just a comment about women being allowed to play sports with other women. A sex based right.

179017 ▶▶▶▶ GeorgeCountsToo, replying to Sceptical Lefty, #1056 of 1528 🔗

Not pro-trans, not anti-trans, but we cannot afford to divide our lockdown sceptics cause on any other matter. I agree with keeping to topic, if people wish to compare opinions about things unrelated to the lockdown catastrophe there would probably be mroe relevant placs for it. Lets not let the mainstream media try to label us as anti-trans.

178499 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Will, 4, #1057 of 1528 🔗

Good on them. I’m fed up of hearing about all this trans guff. Men becoming women and vice versa was never a problem until the rabid activists got hold of it.

178659 ▶▶ Chris John, replying to Will, 1, #1058 of 1528 🔗

Reminds me of a joke of whether to let your child play rugby or football.
Place a ball in front of them and they pick it up.
If they kick the ball.
Fly half 😂

178451 Ovis, replying to Ovis, 22, #1059 of 1528 🔗

Since maskogeddon I have not gone to the butcher on a Saturday to avoid awkwardness, as Saturday is the busiest day with a long queue. But today I was driven by my need for a steak. When I went in I saw, to my pleasant surprise, that the other customer (a woman in her thirties) was maskless. The staff also maskless. The customer who came in after me (also a woman, maybe forty) maskless. When I left there was one masko waiting to come in, eyes of hate – maybe she should have dropped both angst and mask together in the nearest bin, but I know people who have once worn the compliance rag feel they are then trapped.

I live in an area threatened with a local lockdown soon. I get the feeling people are now just thinking ‘Bollocks.’ Compliance gets us nowhere, Boris the spaffing Johnson will do what he planned months ago. Our ‘behaviour’ is irrelevant. We’re not willing to think like beaten wives. The regime can just fuck off.

How does this develop? Does the regime back down? Or does it turn to more repressive measures? We will know soon.

178456 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Ovis, 5, #1060 of 1528 🔗

The recent response to any pushback is just double down on repression.

178624 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to DRW, 4, #1061 of 1528 🔗

In which case, push. back harder.

178519 ▶▶ John P, replying to Ovis, 3, #1062 of 1528 🔗

Yes, you can claim exemption, for the time being anyway.

It’s like covid, the dangers of being harassed for not wearing a face covering are exaggerated.

178891 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Ovis, 2, #1063 of 1528 🔗

The regime will not back down.if you notice, they respond to challenges by doubling down and adding new measures. They have a never show weakness and never give in mentality. If attacked attack back even harder.

178454 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 33, #1064 of 1528 🔗

Breaking news………

The Death Secretary Handycock, the self styled and self appointed “Covid Finder General” has announced his latest “science based” policy.

From Monday all citizens are to paint (“cover”) one of their buttocks red. A new study demonstrates that this will act as an effective “circuit break”.

The news has given renewed hope to the nation, so much so that the Department of Death has been deluged with calls and emails from enthusiastic but confused citizens. A brief selection of which follow:

Karen from Salisbury demanded to know why she had to “risk waiting until Monday?”
Ivor from Cardiff quite reasonably asked “should I shave my arse first?”
Meanwhile, Sharon from Southend echoed many Brits concerns with a succinct Essex enquiry “which bloody bum cheek FFS?”
Perhaps the most technical question(s) was posted by Farquhar who resides in Oxford, “do I apply gloss or emulsion? If emulsion, then please stipulate Silk or Matt or Sheen. Any particular brand? What about application, should I use a brush or mini roller?”

Downing St have yet to formally respond to these and many similar questions but a leaked document suggests that major outlets were “asked” to stock up on “red gloss paint” in December 2019 in preparation for “unusually high demand” in October 2020.

As at the time of writing, reports are coming in of shelves having been “stripped bare” of red gloss, such has been the demand. Suppliers are struggling but have urged people to calm down and not panic. A junior minister declaring that there “is enough paint in the UK to meet the needs of all posteriors”.

NB The “Red Buttock Covering Regulations (England&Wales) 2020” Statutory Instrument No.666 will be laid before Parliament at 23:59 on Sunday.

(With thanks to The Wizard, BTL on Kendrick’s blog.)

178508 ▶▶ John P, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1065 of 1528 🔗

“death secretary” lol, thanks cheezy. Good one!

178903 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Cheezilla, #1066 of 1528 🔗

Farquhar from Oxford …Did he ask “Farrow & Ball or Little Greene”?

179015 ▶▶ GeorgeCountsToo, replying to Cheezilla, #1067 of 1528 🔗

You forgot one detail: the legislation will start being enforced several hours before the wording has been published, which will be via twitter.

178458 Tyneside Tigress, 5, #1068 of 1528 🔗

Coverage of censorship of GBD from the US:


Some interesting comments under the article too

178461 Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 9, #1069 of 1528 🔗

Well, IATA actually said something useful on behalf of the aviation industry for a change.

They say that there have been 1.2 billion air passengers in 2020, with just 44 cases of confirmed, probable or potential covid transmission associated with a flight. 1 in 27 million!

I’m sure if somebody bothered to collect the figures, or if it were possible to, a similar story would be true in many industries that are being hammered by the covid brigade.

178468 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 2, #1070 of 1528 🔗

As many passengers as that???

178482 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to CGL, 3, #1071 of 1528 🔗

It’s possible. My company, which is far from the largest in the world, was still moving over half a million people around per month back in July. They’ve slightly increased flight frequency since then. Multiply that around the world and add in the pre-covid (well, when covid was around by nobody really cared) halcyon days of Jan-Mar when travel was normal.

I’m not sure who is travelling, but some still seem to need to be in places!

178477 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 1, #1072 of 1528 🔗

All down to the masks I suppose.

178481 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1073 of 1528 🔗

Most likely caused by the masks, going by real world evidence from around the planet

178487 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1074 of 1528 🔗

Yes, and the ‘covid safe’ pre packaged sandwiches instead of hot meals. Vital!

178500 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 1, #1075 of 1528 🔗

In fact, I took a flight not long ago and they weren’t serving ice in drinks so we could all stay safe. Must not rule that out, genius straight out of the SAGE playbook.

178543 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 3, #1076 of 1528 🔗

How can they possibly know if you picked up a virus on a plane?

How can anyone really know where they picked up a virus?

Lots of social groups have had to close, not just because of antisocial distancing but because the venues have problems with insurance and covid liability.

But how can anyone really prove that’s where you became infected?

178683 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1077 of 1528 🔗

I don’t disagree with you. But in a world where we’re up against this kind of minute analysis, it’s nice to see a large international trade body come out and rightly downplay the threat, as opposed to turning up the hysteria.

Other industry bodies should follow this example. Business has the power to end this nonsense, should it choose to do so.

178746 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, #1078 of 1528 🔗

Goood point!

179014 ▶▶▶▶ GeorgeCountsToo, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, #1079 of 1528 🔗

Business is the powerhouse of civilisation, if businesses nationwide, or worldwide, made a united effort to defy coronapanic restrictions we would be back to normality in days. If every business decided to stop obeying then governments would be utterly powerless to enforce anything.

178462 Basics, replying to Basics, 4, #1080 of 1528 🔗

£28 million of funding for Edinburgh University and he get’s a guided tour through the overseas ‘aid’ work Scotland are doing that even the Scottish tax payer don’t get to see.

A short article in the pro independence National from 2018.

Who the fuck does he presume to be?

“Bill Gates praised one of Scotland’s global health initiatives as a “really smart idea” after a meeting with Nicola Sturgeon yesterday.

“The Microsoft founder met the First Minister at St Andrew’s House yesterday to hear about the Scottish Global Health Collaborative, a cross-sector group which brings together the Scottish Government, Scotland’s NHS, the third sector and other partners to co-ordinate their involvement in global health issues”


Not related – Krankie is toast, just going through the motions of a slow demise.

178549 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Basics, 4, #1081 of 1528 🔗

It’s good to see she has aged about 10 years since the picture was taken. All getting a bit too much for her methinks

178594 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to stefarm, 3, #1082 of 1528 🔗

She’s putting years on by the week just now. There’s a good comment up above/below about Alan Watt suggesting they are terrified they will hang if this all comes out.

Odd as it may seem sturgeon is struggling, she may be a weak link. Look a toothy Adhern in NZ, no sign of trauma. Sturgeon looks like rab c nesbit’s old moggy after a scrap and a night in a tin can.

She’s got 11 scandals too many to smother. I read on twitter earlier there is a popcorn shortage in Scotland tonight.

178769 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Basics, #1083 of 1528 🔗

Yeah, the big fart is maybe not big enough to hide all the other little smelly silent but violent farts floating around her

178465 CGL, replying to CGL, 78, #1084 of 1528 🔗

My mum now has no appetite, no motivation to even do her gardening that she has always loved and she is permanently tired. She told me recently that she has aged 5 years since March.

She was crying her eyes out just now when she said “they’re taking my life from me. I would rather be dead”

The words sad and angry don’t really cut it – how dare they make old people feel like this? What has my lovely little mum ever done to be made to feel like this? She has tried so hard to stay positive – she’s done a better job than I have that is certain. But to see her sitting in her chair sobbi
ng has broken my heart today.

I HATE THEM ALL for doing this to her.

178467 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to CGL, 25, #1085 of 1528 🔗

My 94 y.o. grandmother is now openly wishing she will not wake up again every night when she goes to bed.

178537 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Ewan Duffy, 10, #1086 of 1528 🔗

That is just so sad – I can’t bear that these people who have lived through so much in their lives are being tortured like this.

178694 ▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Ewan Duffy, 11, #1087 of 1528 🔗

My 100-year-old grandmother died in July after being locked down since late February. She told my mum she’d lost the will to live. Covid wasn’t technically her cause of death but it might as well have been. Obviously she lived a very long life, but it’s sad it ended on such a sour note. At least in July my mom was able to see her in the hospital (in full PPE of course), which is better than it would have been in March or April. I’m so sorry for you and your mum. It’s unconscionable.

178702 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 6, #1088 of 1528 🔗

100 years old – she deserved so much better than that. That whole generation gave so much for freedom and to have it taken away at the end is the most terrible injustice.

178822 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 4, #1089 of 1528 🔗

Lockdown was the cause, not Covid.
I’d call it manslaughter, if not murder.

178469 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to CGL, 11, #1090 of 1528 🔗

Me too, they are very sick people who are doing this. So sorry to hear about your mum.

178478 ▶▶ Adam, replying to CGL, 9, #1091 of 1528 🔗

Very very sorry to hear that. How old is she? My nan is in a care home, and she’s been more like a mother to me than a grandmother — brought us up. Her care home is locked down again. Had resigned myself to never seeing her again in March, but fortunately managed to in August. Not sure I will this time though if they are locked down for a prolonged period. It is truly evil what the government have done.

Can you get your mum some help? Maybe get the doctor to call her to prescibe anti-depressants or someone to talk to? Or do you think that wouldn’t go down well?

178491 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Adam, 25, #1092 of 1528 🔗

It’s been suggested to me that I should get some medication or counselling.

I don’t want those things. I want the architects of this misery hanged.

178503 ▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Liam, 4, #1093 of 1528 🔗

Hanging isn’t painful enough. Can think of far more elaborate punishments for them.

178506 ▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Adam, 4, #1094 of 1528 🔗

I think like that sometimes, but it’s not the answer.

178504 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Liam, 9, #1095 of 1528 🔗

I’ve suffered from depression in the past. It’s not such an issue now. I have never taken antidepressants though. They muffle the issue.

It’s attitudinal.

178664 ▶▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to John P, 4, #1096 of 1528 🔗

Reminds me of headaches – I rarely get one, at most once a month, but unless it’s really bad I don’t take anything, then when it’s gone it’s really gone. But if I take ibuprofen or something like that it just makes me feel a bit fuzzy with the headache still there in the background, and I don’t think it goes away any quicker.

178684 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Liam, 8, #1097 of 1528 🔗

Yes, there’s this idea that we should learn to accept this insanity and that we’re the crazy ones. The brainwashed purveyors of fear are the ones who will “help” us accept the “new normal” with meds or therapy? I reject this wholeheartedly. The day any of this seems normal to me I might as well be dead.

178540 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Adam, 7, #1098 of 1528 🔗

I’m really very sorry to read this also but I beg you, please don’t let your mum go down the anti-depressant route. These drugs are vile, they are addictive and they cause so much harm. And before people lay into me, I have witnessed the destruction they have wrought in my own family. They are not the answer.

178550 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to kh1485, 3, #1099 of 1528 🔗

I agree with you.

178553 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to John P, 1, #1100 of 1528 🔗

And they make the pharmaceutical companies a shed load of money.

178561 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to kh1485, 2, #1101 of 1528 🔗


178562 ▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to kh1485, 4, #1102 of 1528 🔗

Each to his own. They have helped me with life-long depression and severe ocd.

178571 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Adam, 4, #1103 of 1528 🔗

I’m pleased they didn’t have an adverse effect on you but they are not appropriate for the elderly. My mum died because of long-term addiction to these wretched drugs. She trusted the doctors rather than me, a loving daughter, and for that I will never, ever forgive the NHS.

178564 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Adam, 5, #1104 of 1528 🔗

I feel terribly for people in your and your nan – it must be dreadful. The frustration and sadness is too awful.

Mine is 77. She has been taking something for anxiety for a couple of weeks now, because she tenses up, and when she eats and is tense she brings her food back up (sorry!). She needed something to help her relax months didn’t happen as much.

We are going to come up with some ideas between us to help get her through.

178495 ▶▶ John P, replying to CGL, 6, #1105 of 1528 🔗

I was having a chat with my parents who are in their late seventies and live in their own house the other day about care homes. I said, “You’re not going in one dad.” (I think he was pleased.)

It’s not an issue actually. They’re still very much able to look after themselves, though my father has “mild” prostate cancer.

I couldn’t help wondering though who in their right mind would now allow their parents into these prisons for the elderly?

In fact they’re worse than prisons. At least convicted prisoners have visitors and can look forward to parole.

178623 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to John P, 5, #1106 of 1528 🔗

“Solitary confinement is considered to be a form of psychological torture with measurable long-term physiological effects when the period of confinement is longer than a few weeks or is continued indefinitely.”


178641 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to annie, 3, #1107 of 1528 🔗

Amensty International documents agree. Don’t know about Amnesty International goons though, they are quite happy watching this go down.

179013 ▶▶▶▶▶ GeorgeCountsToo, replying to Basics, 1, #1108 of 1528 🔗

Amnesty International should have been doing something about the horrors going on in Melbourne.

178507 ▶▶ janis pennance, replying to CGL, 4, #1109 of 1528 🔗

So very sorry , awful for you and your poor Mum x

178514 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to CGL, 4, #1110 of 1528 🔗

Sorry to hear this sadness. It’s truly awful x

178614 ▶▶ annie, replying to CGL, 4, #1111 of 1528 🔗

C, S. Lewis’s has a scene in Perelandra in which the hero, fighting against the Devil, is inspired by a ‘torrent of perfectly lawful and legitimate hatred’.(Quote from memory.)
When you are up against total evil, total hatred is the only appropriate response.

178751 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to CGL, 4, #1112 of 1528 🔗

Very sorry to hear this. My father-in-law lives in Scotland and is pretty much fed up with all this – he can’t go to concerts, can’t do his research and is limited to where he can go out due to the not so good transport in his area.

I really despair at what the government has done to our elderly. And they have the nerve to tell us that we’re killing granny simply by trying to live our lives!

178762 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #1113 of 1528 🔗

Yes – the government are the killers only they don’t limit the demographic to grannies do they.

178471 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 10, #1114 of 1528 🔗

Does anyone else get nervous on the days that the government is slow to update the figures? How many missing Excel spreadsheets have they found today?

178488 ▶▶ John P, replying to A. Contrarian, #1115 of 1528 🔗

No, I don’t look at them.

178588 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to A. Contrarian, #1116 of 1528 🔗

Don’t give two shiny shites

178475 StevieH, replying to StevieH, 19, #1117 of 1528 🔗

I have posted this before, but a nurse on our local surgery earlier this week said that it’s not about the virus anymore, it’s about control.

178486 ▶▶ John P, replying to StevieH, 3, #1118 of 1528 🔗

I’v never been able to quite get my head around that one. Some have said that from the start.

Actually, I’ve tended to think it’s about fear, but I think it’s perhaps more complex than that.

178501 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to John P, 4, #1119 of 1528 🔗

If there was no fear of the fine, fewer people would wear masks. I think the aim is to get a lot more people sick so that they contribute to a spike in the winter.

178546 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to PastImperfect, #1120 of 1528 🔗

No, I just think they’re stupid. I don’t think they are sadists.

178721 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to PastImperfect, #1121 of 1528 🔗

I’ve heard that theory months ago and looks like it could be true. Two of my work colleagues had to be sent home due to bad headaches caused by mask wearing.

178517 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to John P, 8, #1122 of 1528 🔗

You can’t take control without fear.

178545 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to leggy, #1123 of 1528 🔗

Yes, but I’m not of the opinion that there was a plot. Sorry.

178579 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to John P, 5, #1124 of 1528 🔗

Covid-Pass, immunity passports, daily PCR tests, QR codes to enter shops. It’s all about total control. See the World Economic Forum’s own website re ‘Covid-Pass’ and ‘Clear’.

178509 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to StevieH, 6, #1125 of 1528 🔗

Lovely to hear these anecdotes. Did you hear mine? I went for dinner with a senior person in a nearby large town hospital (next down from CEO) and she said there hasn’t been Covid in Hospital for months. The hospitalisation figures are all those that are tested positive on admission for other things.

178513 ▶▶ l835, replying to StevieH, 2, #1126 of 1528 🔗

I agree with the nurse. I believe the things we will keep when this is all over are the App – scanning into cafes etc. We will be told it is being kept in place ready for any future viruses etc. However, it’s perfect for knowing where you’ve been and who else was there. “Paying on the day” will be a thing of the past. No more turning up to the cinema or jumping on a train. All by ticket, and to get a ticket you need to supply name and address, again on public heath grounds, but so easy to trace you …

178480 StevieH, replying to StevieH, 11, #1127 of 1528 🔗

Me and the missus in Ledbury today. Dismayed to see the number of masks worn in the street. The worst sight was a young woman with a daughter about 6 or 7, who was forced to turn and face as shopfront as we passed close by. Saw them both a while later and the child was in a mask.

178484 ▶▶ John P, replying to StevieH, 8, #1128 of 1528 🔗

I passed a flock of masked sheep lining up outside a butcher’s shop while in my car. I gave them a cheery index finger twirl round my ear.

(I know. I shouldn’t have. It was against my better judgment.)

178606 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to John P, 4, #1129 of 1528 🔗

Sheep outside butcher’s?
Very apt.

178681 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to John P, 1, #1130 of 1528 🔗

In the words of Alex Ferguson “i’m ploud, vely ploud”

178619 ▶▶ Basics, replying to StevieH, #1131 of 1528 🔗

I suspect many wear in street because of the smudged mush underneath. If you are a follower of fashion how can you possibly cope with smudged make up etc without a mirror on the doorstep of your local bodyshop? No, much better is to keep those esteem crushing sins wrapped up and hidden behind petri-rag.

178490 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 10, #1132 of 1528 🔗

Stanley Johnson wrote a book about population control by using a virus, But sired six children.

178498 ▶▶ Mark, replying to PastImperfect, 12, #1133 of 1528 🔗

Overpopulation – “Just enough of me, way too much of you.”

P.J. O’Rourke, iirc

178496 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 8, #1134 of 1528 🔗


We are awaiting data for cases in England. We will update the data as soon as possible.

Translation: Spreadsheet’s full again!

178521 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1135 of 1528 🔗

Working out the best way to inflate them!

178542 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #1136 of 1528 🔗


178531 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ceriain, #1137 of 1528 🔗

As I said below, never a good sign.

178551 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to A. Contrarian, #1138 of 1528 🔗

Oops! Just saw your post above. 🙂

178556 ▶▶ John P, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1139 of 1528 🔗

It’s a mistake IMO to spend time on these figures.

I stopped following them in April when I realised that it was becoming a habit.

178899 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Ceriain, #1140 of 1528 🔗

They are fiddling the figures for BJ’s talk on Monday.

178516 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 9, #1141 of 1528 🔗

Defund big pharma

Stop taking medication of any kind

178559 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Cecil B, 4, #1142 of 1528 🔗

Dear Cecil B
I would love to have a conversation with you about this. I haven’t taken any medication whatsoever for over 10 years and only briefly when I broke my arm just before that (anaesthetic for op, morphine and painkillers before the op). But so many people rely on medication… there are things we could do about the drug companies… but it is complicated, if we don’t want to throw the baby out with the bathwater!

178596 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Jo, 2, #1143 of 1528 🔗

Drugs have their place. It is when they are heavily promoted and given to people who don’t need them that it’s a problem. Big pharma’s greed needs to be reined in.

178722 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Jo, 2, #1144 of 1528 🔗

Dr Vernon Coleman made this point, basically, the drug companies have basically so much power over the medical establishment, generally, that many people equate ‘getting better’ with ‘going to the Dr & get a prescription’. Not to say advances in medication haven’t done great things… but the human body is capable of healing to an astronomical level, given the chance and provided with the right ammunition – high doses of plant-based material, vegetables, fruits, vitamins, minerals… Documentaries like “Food Matters” are well worthwhile checking out on this subject.

178611 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Cecil B, #1145 of 1528 🔗

Hear, hear ….

178615 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to kh1485, 2, #1146 of 1528 🔗

There’s a new post on the BID FB page just now Kh,just building the narrative !.

178637 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Paul, 2, #1147 of 1528 🔗

Not sure if you saw my thanks yesterday Paul, but I haven’t laughed so much in ages. You got me at the ‘Korean’ bit. Will check it out …

178663 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Paul, 2, #1148 of 1528 🔗

Bloody bonkers, but very, very funny. Surely they can’t fall for it!

178692 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Paul, 1, #1149 of 1528 🔗

That is absolutely brilliant!!

178518 dismalswamp, replying to dismalswamp, 22, #1150 of 1528 🔗

Many on here have shot down those who said our leadership should hang, one citing the horrors of recent wars.

But just think about it for a minute, these measures and the incompetence from this regime have led to the deaths of tens of thousands of people, destroyed livelihoods and families, and they have committed some of the worst home-grown atrocities we could ever imagine.

There certainly should be a trial for messers Johnson, Witty, Hancock and Vallance. A judgement of sheer incompetence will see them out of office permanently and out of pocket, but should a verdict return that any of them knew they were in the wrong, and complicit in a cover-up for the interest of self-protection, then a serious punishment is indeed merited. This is a crime against the British people, a crime against our constitution and everything we stand for. Nothing less than a significant jail-sentence will suffice.

178558 ▶▶ Christopher, replying to dismalswamp, 11, #1151 of 1528 🔗

Alan watt, the conspiracy annalist recently stated in one of his podcasts that the controllers know deep down that if the truth comes out and I mean really comes out and this bid for total power and control over humanity fails then they are ALL going to hang.
That’s why they are not going to let go of this shit without a fight.
the question is how far are we willing to go to retain the freedom and liberty that our ancestors bequeathed to us ?

178894 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Christopher, 1, #1152 of 1528 🔗

As far as they need to. They are never backing down. They will need to beaten down.

178573 ▶▶ Ben, replying to dismalswamp, 2, #1153 of 1528 🔗

It’s not ‘incompetence’ unfortunately. They’re following orders like every other country. The Great Reset comes from the World Economic Forum, World Bank etc… The destruction of the economy is deliberate. It’s a fascist attack.

178586 ▶▶▶ concrete68, replying to Ben, #1154 of 1528 🔗


178591 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Ben, -3, #1155 of 1528 🔗

I don’t agree with you. Sorry.

178682 ▶▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to John P, #1156 of 1528 🔗

Genuinely interested John P, are you thinking incompetence / arse covering thinking?

Sometimes wish we could do polls here to see what the overall thoughts are.

178604 ▶▶ annie, replying to dismalswamp, #1157 of 1528 🔗

Same cell, group of six?

178675 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to annie, #1158 of 1528 🔗

Watching endless looped repeats of their press conferences.

178526 Henry, replying to Henry, 1, #1159 of 1528 🔗

Good evening

Can anyone refer/tell me of long covid reports in Sweden or other European states?


178529 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Henry, 2, #1160 of 1528 🔗

Would love to know this too. Is it purely a UK invention?

178569 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Henry, 1, #1161 of 1528 🔗

At the risk of digging a hole I should have avoided, there does seem to be a gender effect with regard to ‘long covid’. as reported;

It seems that there a number of news items indicating that long covid reports have come from women far more than from men
I have no idea why this should be the case?

178592 ▶▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to Steve Martindale, #1162 of 1528 🔗

I understand they have better survival rates, could be a factor?

178642 ▶▶▶ Sceptical Lefty, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #1163 of 1528 🔗

Aren’t cases of ME (which of course is not uncritically accepted by all doctors) mostly female?

178801 ▶▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to Sceptical Lefty, 2, #1164 of 1528 🔗

Yes, it’s to do with women’s immune system – more reactive, so get more problems when the system over reacts, resulting in inflammation and other auto immune issues, like rheumatoid arthritis, to pick a common one.

178893 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Steve Martindale, #1166 of 1528 🔗

Autoimmune diseases are more common in women. If you have an overactive immune system it could cause post viral inflammation.

178530 Mabel Cow, replying to Mabel Cow, 12, #1167 of 1528 🔗

I’ve just done the weekly shop at Sainsbury’s wearing an Everyone Dies t-shirt and no muzzle and guess what?

Nobody batted an eyelid.

I got a few smirks at the sheepie on the shirt, but no obvious disdain from anyone. The lady at the checkout liked the t-shirt, but she’s a sceptic anyway.

I saw two or three bare faces, none of whom appeared to have lanyards.

A bit disappointing, really. I’d gone equipped with an Awkward Git-inspired do-not-ask-me letter and was desperate to stuff it in someone’s face, but nobody was up for a ruck.

On the way out, I saw a member of staff prodding at a tablet and so I asked her what it was she was doing. She happily showed me the tablet and explained that she was just counting people in and out. There was nothing on the user interface to suggest that they are collecting any data relating to mask compliance, so that’s nice. Just a big number showing how many people were in the shop (141, at the time) and two buttons: a plus for someone coming in and a minus for someone going out.

I don’t know what to make of it. Given that I was wearing a protest t-shirt, I rather expected that I would be pounced upon for “endangering people’s health”, but it seems like they just aren’t very bothered one way or the other. I guess for most people it’s just like liquids on flights: a nuisance, but whaddyagonnado?

178535 ▶▶ John P, replying to Mabel Cow, 6, #1168 of 1528 🔗

I’ve been visiting shops about once a week unmasked for ages now.

Nobody has ever yet challenged me.

178554 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to John P, 9, #1169 of 1528 🔗

The only time I have ever been challenged was just after the original imposition of mandatory masks in shops, and that was by some guy in the checkout queue, not a door Nazi.

My surprise was that even wearing an up-yours t-shirt didn’t cause any pushback.

It’s one thing to not challenge someone who might have a valid reason for not wearing a mask, but I had rather hoped that deliberately provoking them might cause more of a reaction.

Hey ho, I guess I should be pleased.

178568 ▶▶▶▶ Ossettian, replying to Mabel Cow, 10, #1170 of 1528 🔗

I’ve never been challenged, but I’m a 6 foot 2 surly Yorkshireman.

I suppose people who willingly wear gimp masks aren’t terribly brave.

178587 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Mabel Cow, 5, #1171 of 1528 🔗

I think a lot of people just wear them, but don’t really feel strongly about them.

Too many “sheeple” not willing to question if they are really necessary.

178601 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to John P, 3, #1172 of 1528 🔗

I’ve been hectored and bullied in church.
Never anywhere else.

178603 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to annie, 1, #1173 of 1528 🔗

In a church of all places? That’s awful!

178617 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to John P, #1174 of 1528 🔗

it was.

178668 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to annie, #1175 of 1528 🔗

as a christian you’ll have to forgive them, jesus would expect it

178817 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Biker, 1, #1176 of 1528 🔗

He’s hard to live up to.

178849 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to annie, #1177 of 1528 🔗

He’d have given them what for!

178925 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Cheezilla, #1178 of 1528 🔗

Knocked over a few tables, I bet.

178848 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to annie, #1179 of 1528 🔗

That’s why I abandoned churches many decades ago.

178639 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to John P, #1180 of 1528 🔗

Same here, just one query from a door person at a council-run indoor market, and my reply that I’m medically exempt was accepted without question.

178847 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to John P, 1, #1181 of 1528 🔗

Just the once a few weeks ago by a new doorman who asked very politely and quietly, “Er, I think you’ve forgotten your mask?”
“I’m exempt” I replied, with a dazzling smile.
“Oh that’s fine” he said and that was the end of that.

178589 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Mabel Cow, 7, #1182 of 1528 🔗

I’m unchallenged so far in the shops. As is my wife. Also, I’ve noticed that the mandate from the Welsh government to remain within the confines of one’s locked down county is completely unpoliced. Not only did I do my weekly shopping unmasked today, but also in a neighbouring county. And we had ‘grandma’ over in the morning, and our friend and her son visiting this afternoon.

None of us are sure how many dikats from Politburo Cymru we’ve broken today and none of us care.

I showed our friend the video promoting the Irish Health Passport and her jaw dropped. “They can’t do that! That’s the sort of thing they do in China!”

178602 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Mr Dee, 4, #1183 of 1528 🔗

Good for you. F..k their lockdown.

178666 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #1184 of 1528 🔗

i would suggest that the majority of posters here are disregarding most diktats. How many of us have been ill or even know anyone in our close circles that have become ill since March?

178930 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Sarigan, #1185 of 1528 🔗

I was ill with all the symptoms, but during the very first week of lockdown, at the end of March. If it was the rona, I’ve had much worse flues.

178717 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Mr Dee, #1186 of 1528 🔗

It’s being trialled at Heathrow soon

178937 ▶▶ JulieR, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #1187 of 1528 🔗

I was in Morrison today and saw quite a few people without a mask.
I never wear one and no problems

178532 Gillian, replying to Gillian, 24, #1188 of 1528 🔗

I’m in Scotland (Glasgow area) and never wear a mask in shops, although I usually have my “mask exempt” lanyard around my neck. There is almost 100% compliance with masking requirement in this rather “posh” area (I believe that the less affluent areas not far from here are less compliant, but I don’t have personal experience of this). Despite everything, I have never been challenged nor met with any aggression. Quite the opposite. Yesterday I was in M and S Food, holding my 92 year old mother (with Alzheimer’s) (she masked) with one hand as I navigated around the store with my other hand on the trolley (not easy). (I have tried to leave her outside the store while I shop but she can wander off, plus it is getting too cold for her to comfortably sit in one of the outside seats; M and S have removed their own inside seating since the start of this nonsense). At one point I brushed the trolley against one of those tension rope thingys which separated off a queue of customers waiting for the express checkouts. I noticed that a man (masked) in the queue had his hand on the rope just at the point where I had brushed my trolley against it. I met his eyes and said, as gently as possible fearing a verbal backlash, that I was very sorry if my trolley had struck his hand due to my poor control of the trolley.He replied that, no, there was nothing to worry about and that his hand was just fine. An elderly lady behind him in the queue, also masked, clearly heard the conversation and was looking directly at me. I met her eyes and smiled at her as warmly as possible and said something along the lines of “I can’t do anything right today, my hands are so full”, nodding towards my mother. Although I couldn’t see her mouth, it was obvious from her eyes that she was smiling towards me. Just a wee encounter with two random mask wearers where I tried to interact warmly with both and received warmth in return.

178583 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Gillian, 7, #1189 of 1528 🔗

Really respect to you for taking all that on in one sitting and come out smiling. It’s was the human warmth that changed your day, thanks for reminding me about it!

178598 ▶▶ annie, replying to Gillian, 5, #1190 of 1528 🔗

Well done. But isn’t it horrible that their smiles had been deleted?
Your 92 year old mother is muzzled?

178622 ▶▶▶ Gillian, replying to annie, 7, #1191 of 1528 🔗

She likes to come shopping as it is an outing for her. During the sunny summer weather she would sit outside M and S (it’s a pedestrianised area right at the centre of what she refers to as “the village”, actually now a town) watching the world go by. Lots of people say hello to her (she’s lived here for 65 years), but she doesn’t remember many names now. She started wearing a muzzle when she returned to weekly visits to her hairdresser about mid July and says that she doesn’t mind it and she doesn’t show any distress with the muzzle on (which I thought she would). On shopping trips, now that she can’t really sit outside, I have suggested that she keeps a muzzle in her pocket and I help her to put it on before entering shops. It may sound silly, but I am trying to protect her from any potential aggro, plus not making her feel “different” (although I think such a feeling is beyond her range of emotions now, which I suppose is not a bad thing).

178646 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Gillian, 7, #1192 of 1528 🔗

You are doing your gallant best.
How utterly sickening to think that somebody might give her aggro. I suppose that vile bitch Foetida Dick would find it funny,

178755 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to annie, 1, #1193 of 1528 🔗

Foetida Dick! Hahahaha

178814 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to CGL, 1, #1194 of 1528 🔗

I believe she was christened Cressida, but changed the name by deed poll.

178557 DRW, replying to DRW, 10, #1195 of 1528 🔗

Another awkward conversation with my dad this evening, this time more unexpected.
We were talking the Giro d’Italia whipping up more hysteria after one cyclist with mild symptoms has tested positive, and subsequently sent home. As far as I know, there have been no other positive tests.

Me: “Fair play for doing that well with a cold, last November I felt like I was dying just trying to get home.”

Dad: “Coronaviruses can’t give you colds, they’re not rhinoviruses. They interact with the human body differently.”

I don’t know how I didn’t facepalm then. I replied:
“Yes they can, they’re much more closely related than flus. There’s about five or six
regular seasonal ones, and also adenos too. Just look it up on Wikipedia.”

That made him quiet! Amazing to think how MSM have elevated ronas to a unique pedestal.

178669 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to DRW, 1, #1196 of 1528 🔗

I found that out recently too. All those times I felt a bit sore, head foggy then cold a few days later was actually the Cold and not the Flu. When I last had the Flu it put me out for a week. It was Beast From The East One. I didn’t have a cold or sniffles after that.

178844 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to mhcp, #1197 of 1528 🔗

I decribed flu symptoms to my hypochondriac DiL.
She went very quiet then said. “I’ve never had flu.”
No, I thought, but I bet you’ve had bad colds and assured everyone you were dying of flu.
Not in the same league!

178918 ▶▶▶▶ Sally, replying to Cheezilla, #1198 of 1528 🔗

Don’t hype up the flu. Influenza is also on a spectrum, ranging from asymptomatic to severe ( https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4586318/ and there’s plenty more where that came from). Hyping up the flu only provides more material for fearmongering.

179009 ▶▶ GeorgeCountsToo, replying to DRW, #1199 of 1528 🔗

Common colds can be all sorts of viruses from many families, coronaviral viruses account for maybe 10 or 20% of colds. Given how often one catches colds we’ve each probably had a coronavirus cold within the last decade, if not much more recently.

178560 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 4, #1200 of 1528 🔗
178837 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to p02099003, #1201 of 1528 🔗

Excellent – as usual!

178576 Basics, replying to Basics, 8, #1202 of 1528 🔗

As the censored GBD crosses into multiple hundreds of thousands of signatures this WHO in praise of Gupta (2min clip) –

WATCH: Dr David Nabarro, the WHO’s Special Envoy on Covid-19, tells Andrew Neil: ‘We really do appeal to all world leaders: stop using lockdown as your primary control method’. Watch the full interview here: https://youtu.be/x8oH7cBxgwE?t=915 #SpectatorTV


178584 ▶▶ John P, replying to Basics, 9, #1203 of 1528 🔗

Just passed 200,000 general public.

178613 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to John P, 3, #1204 of 1528 🔗


Reddit have censored discussion about the Great Barrington Declaration.

178741 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Basics, 2, #1205 of 1528 🔗

The mainstream subs have been consistently awful. Thank goodness the sceptical ones haven’t been taken down yet.

179008 ▶▶▶▶▶ GeorgeCountsToo, replying to DRW, #1206 of 1528 🔗

Possibly won’t be taken down, to my understanding each reddit channel appoints its own moderators. A sceptical channel will ahve been set up by a sceptic, who will either be the moderator himself or will have appointed fellow sceptics to be mods. Reddit, to my understanding, is very non-centralised in terms of who runs what channel and what they can then do on it.

178580 Cheezilla, 2, #1207 of 1528 🔗

Does SARS-COV-2 merit suppression measures in order to combat the virus rather than the herd/community immunity approach?


The aim is to help critically unpack the rationales, both political and scientific, that underlie these very different approaches. The debate will evolve over a period of time, with written online dialogue between Dr Anderson and Dr Rancourt.

178609 Rowan, replying to Rowan, 16, #1208 of 1528 🔗

The clear message that comes across from the nurse’s tale, is that Covid-19 is symptomatically indistinguishable from other winter respiratory ailments. The obvious followup question is whether the ailment we know as Covid-19 is simply nothing more than a seasonal flu that has been very expensively and extensively repackaged.

To date, there’s no real proof that Sars-cov-2 coronavirus exists, never mind that it causes any infection, nor does the PCR test in any way serve to prove its existence. It now very much looks like we’re being had and in a monumental fashion at that.

178632 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Rowan, 4, #1209 of 1528 🔗

Still waiting for the comment to come that nails SARS-CoV-2 has or has not been isolated. As far as I know it has not. Which is striking 9 months into a pandemic of said supposed thing.

178691 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Basics, #1210 of 1528 🔗

Is there incontrovertible proof that SARS-CoV-2 has not been isolated?

178701 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to leggy, 1, #1211 of 1528 🔗

The whole question is not clear. It was not isolated prior to the pandemic being called as far as I am concerned from my reading for what that is worth. The fact that there is not a go to study seems a reasonable point to make. I am open there being one showing the proof of isolation and the correlation to it’s effect.

Have you got any reference I can look to?

178715 ▶▶▶▶▶ NappyFace, replying to Basics, #1212 of 1528 🔗

Can you explain what you are talking about please? What does this mean the virus being isolated? Thanks.

178766 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to NappyFace, 4, #1213 of 1528 🔗

The process of isolating a virus from other matter and the following proving the recognised virus is the cause of the symptoms presented.

There is a question about if this was identified correctly from the beginning. From my understanding the 6 or so orginal Wuhan samples had been poorly studied and not identified to a good degree – fragments with a high likelihood of contamination from ineffective seperation techniques had formed the first studies – to my knowledge.

I have not seen anything [until right now*] either way to make me feel strongly there is or is not a SARS-CoV-2. In the grand scheme of lockdown damage it is unimportant, academic.

* In answering you I have looked on researchgate and their does indeed to be a lot of good questioning and work going on.


Google search was blocking me from researchgate so here is a reply to question posted 10th Oct in reply to a June 10th Question – Has SARS-CoV2 been isolated, purified and demonstrated to be the cause of COVID19?

“I believe Arvind Sing is Wrong. Visualization of something resembling a virus inside a cell is no proof till genetic material can be extracted and matched to genetic material aspirated form a diseased tissue.
moreover in this imitativeness article, the authors of the 4 studies purported to identify the virus have admitted to not having isolated it. https://off-guardian.org/2020/06/27/covid19-pcr-tests-are-scientifically-meaningless/
In this CDC document, on page 39 – : Since no quantified virus isolates of the 2019-nCoV are currently available…”
Still waiting for the isolation and purification study with subsequent match or prove of infectiousness.”

The thread has many examples of information linking to isolation studies.

Not trying to start a big war about this, I am simply saying that it is unclear to me what stage this aspect is at. As I have said it is not sensible to argue on this subject. The damage to life and lives is being done regardless of what the biological cause precisely is.

178776 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ NappyFace, replying to Basics, 1, #1214 of 1528 🔗

Fascinating thanks – I will look into this and the links.

Thanks for answering.

178991 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to NappyFace, #1215 of 1528 🔗

If you haven’t got a pure virus isolate then you can only guess about how the virus is made up. The Covid-19 PCR test is based on this sort of guesswork and appears to be worse than useless. Also a pure isolate is required to prove that the Sars-cov-2 is the causative agent for the Covid-19 sickness.

So currently we have a virus that is not yet proven to exist and an illness that might be caused by this unproven virus. I would though, suggest that this situation isn’t going to change any time soon, if ever.

If Covid-19 has no proven causative agent, then it could well follow that it may not really exist as a separate illness. It might be nothing more than a rebranded seasonal influenza and the real question will then be, why would they be doing this.

178976 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to leggy, #1216 of 1528 🔗

Is there any claim that it has been isolated?

178994 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Basics, 1, #1217 of 1528 🔗

The US CDC announced in July that it had no Sars-cov-2 isolate. Nothing seems to have changed since then.

178655 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Rowan, 1, #1218 of 1528 🔗

You (and me) are in the wrong Party! Most don’t even question that lack of proof of existence anymore…

Wait for the “infiltration” reaction comments!

178671 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Voz 0db, 1, #1219 of 1528 🔗

In my view it’s not a sensible position to argue from. But is is a thoroughly sensible postion to ask for the proof of isolation and following causation.

Long Covid too – isolation also relevant but only to diagnosis – causation is a trick on that one.

Relevant to bring long covid into this since many more realise something might no be quite right with that, so why not plain old SARS-CoV-2? Without proof of isolation it is an open question. Isn’t that science?.

Certainly not for arguing the toss over the matter – it’s not a sensible argument to take on.

178808 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Basics, #1220 of 1528 🔗

No… That’s not science. If they claim “COVID” is a new (old) disease (pneumonia) caused by a new RNA some dudes labelled “SARS-CoV-2” without any scientific method to support that claim, that’s NOT science.

It’s such a special pneumonia that the lung experts can’t tell the difference from other none special pneumonias!

And I know because I’ve asked (with CT images) and they can’t point to the special one!

178672 ▶▶▶ James, replying to Voz 0db, #1221 of 1528 🔗

I believe you.

178834 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Rowan, #1222 of 1528 🔗

I could go along with that except that Kendrick witnessed covid deaths in care homes and said he’d never met anything like it.

That said, I thought it sounded like a very quick and relatively gentle way to go, compared with many of the awful options the elderly are faced with.

178981 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Cheezilla, #1223 of 1528 🔗

I believe pneumonia is known as the ‘old person’s friend’…

178612 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 7, #1224 of 1528 🔗

Daily Mail: Trump tells crowd of hundreds ‘I’m feeling great’ in first public event since his COVID diagnosis.

178825 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #1225 of 1528 🔗
  • The president tested positive for the deadly virus last Thursday and was hospitalized for four days
  • Medical experts think viral shedding continues for about 10 days after symptoms start
  • Infected individuals are also told to quarantine for 14 days after testing positive
  • Saturday is just day nine since Trump was diagnosed with the virus meaning the event may have risked others

Cue eyeroll emoji!!

178616 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 11, #1226 of 1528 🔗

I have just heard that today South Wales Police blocked the road into Merthyr Retail Park and were asking where everybody was coming from! As job losses mount, these uniformed twats are keen to add to the total.

178707 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #1227 of 1528 🔗

Twats? Bastard, scum, lowlife twats, I think you mean.

178818 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #1228 of 1528 🔗

How Stasi is that?!

178620 mjr, replying to mjr, 12, #1229 of 1528 🔗

Just seen a new NHS advert on tv (Quest – watching the Giro). The theme is “Just” – as in” it is just a bit of blood” It is to urge people who suspect they have cancer to go see their GP.
Are they taking the piss?
After 6 months of initial examinations and ongoing treatments being cancelled or postponed, and with the difficulties of actually getting a face to face appointment with a GP have they now finally realised what a time bomb they have created ?

178644 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to mjr, 7, #1230 of 1528 🔗

They’ll be covering their arses in case someone sues over lack of treatment probably.

178815 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #1232 of 1528 🔗

Though not for the poor souls who have been forced into that situation!

178744 ▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to mjr, 1, #1233 of 1528 🔗

Saw this whilst watching The Chase on Challenge earlier and thought exactly the same thing. Surely they cannot be that stupid. I might complain to the ASA actually.

178633 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 38, #1234 of 1528 🔗

Just came back from work so have not had the time yet to go through the comments.

I have every reason to feel optimistic today after three incidents at work today:

  1. Colleague telling me that a lot of things don’t make sense and asked me what I thought. I told her all about the flawed PCR test, the average age of people who die from Covid vis a vis global median lifespan and the survival rate from the virus. After I said my bit, she paused then finally said “if that’s the case then why are these things happening given none of us have had the virus and I don’t know of anyone who has had it?.”
  2. Had a chat with a visitor who is an out and out sceptic and was raging against the muzzles that people had to wear.
  3. A woman saw my lanyard, asked me where she could get one as she’s suffering from bad migraines and is having trouble breathing since mandatory muzzling. I told her about the exemptions, pointed out to her that people have no right to ask why she’s exempt and that she doesn’t have to say why, only the words “I’m exempt.” She took a photo of the back of my work badge which had the gov.uk website info on exemptions and the Law or Fiction page. Then I handed her a sheet of paper where I wrote the Hidden Disabilities and Lockdown Sceptics website for her to have a look and get her lanyard.

I think the more and more people question things, the more we can convert people to our cause. What is good are the three people above are from the demographic that would most likely support the lockdown but something has definitely turned for them to tell me their views and their stories.

178640 ▶▶ annie, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #1235 of 1528 🔗

You’ve done good today.

178647 ▶▶ Paul, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #1236 of 1528 🔗

Good work Bart.

178648 ▶▶ theanalyst, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #1237 of 1528 🔗

Good stuff. Thanks Bart!

178706 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #1238 of 1528 🔗

Nice to hear you had a good day, I have very few now.

178813 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #1239 of 1528 🔗

That’s a good day!

The electrician gave me an opening when he said “they” are trying to turn us into a cashless society and that it wasn’t about a virus.
I told him some of the other things they’re trying to do!
Hopefully he’ll pass the word along.

178634 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 10, #1240 of 1528 🔗

A few months ago I was sad to see a nice little pub had closed down, then two weeks ago it opened again. Nice. I used to enjoy going there back in the old days and sitting in their car park by a little stream and having a few beers or even eating Sunday lunch there.

So tonight I thought I would check out insanity levels. I cruised past looking in the window, two guys no face-nappies! Looked good, I went in through the door, immediately they both donned the nappies. My heart sank. I almost turned round and walked out but I wanted to see about their track and track bullshit.

I said if I sit outside do I need to give my details, they sort of said no. What would I like to drink? That’s one thing at least but due to the face-nappies I said I didn’t want a drink.

I said they have to stop complying with this shit, face masks are useless, it will put them out of business, they nodded.

Shame. They had a good selection of beers too and the food looked good. The pub was also totally empty but it was early.

178809 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1241 of 1528 🔗

For shops, the regs say they only need to wear face nappies if the can’t keep a “reasonable distance” from customers. Reasonable distance isn’t quantified.

Are the regs same for pubs?
If so, I’d say that the other side of the bar is about the same distance as the other side of a dining table for two ….

178636 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 11, #1242 of 1528 🔗

Excellent article in the Mail, of all places:


It begins with a clip of Nabarro on Spectator tv:

‘If clusters and outbreaks do appear, they should be slowed and then suppressed promptly and that is why localised and targeted movement restrictions, implemented jointly by local actors and national authorities, will be needed from time to time. They should be kept as time-limited as possible.’

Unfortunately that statement isn’t helpful and it’s possible for dePiffle and Poppycock to clam that’s exactly what they’re trying to do.

The rest of the article, however, gives the full script plus a positive overview of the GBD.

This is followed by a damning account from an oncologist who’s just lost two colleagues to lockdown despair and his condemnation of the covid policies in general.

The comments are very encouraging!

178662 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1243 of 1528 🔗

WOW, for Oncologists to get depressed and top themselves , things must be bad.

178811 ▶▶ annie, replying to Cheezilla, #1244 of 1528 🔗

To be fair on the Mail, they have published a slew of anti-lunacy articles recently, and readers’ comments have been overwhelmingly sceptical.
The article you mention also highlights, and links to, the Barrington declaration.

178643 JHuntz, replying to JHuntz, 13, #1245 of 1528 🔗

I’ve seen a couple of articles today on here stating that 10K children are dieing per day in the third world due to COVID restrictions and 100M more people put into extreme poverty. I’m leading with this now against people who try to vindicate COVID measures. This is the sort of MSM guilt treatment they use when it suits their agenda.

178654 ▶▶ Adam, replying to JHuntz, 11, #1246 of 1528 🔗

I have started saying to people who advocate covid measures to look a sick child that has missed cancer screening or something in the eye and say they still support it. Usually goes down like a shit sandwich, but it makes the bastards think momentarily.

178731 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Adam, 1, #1247 of 1528 🔗

It’s good to have them think even if only for a moment and even if absolutely futile.

178686 ▶▶ NappyFace, replying to JHuntz, 6, #1248 of 1528 🔗

I pointed this out on the Guardian comments months ago and they thought it was made up – someone said the only danger from lockdown was someone injuring themselves gardening.

They didn’t like this either: https://openthemagazine.com/feature/the-tyranny-of-coronaphobia/

178736 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to NappyFace, #1249 of 1528 🔗

It must have been nice getting one over on the oh so virtuous guardianistas.

178789 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to JHuntz, 4, #1250 of 1528 🔗

Thats why when someone calls you a “granny killer” you can respond with “child killer”.

178795 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to JHuntz, #1251 of 1528 🔗

The more the deaths the merrier.

178649 smileymiley, replying to smileymiley, 10, #1252 of 1528 🔗

Just watched Demolition Man… 1993. How prophetic was it. The wokeness & no freedom of thought. Anything that was nice was outlawed! Welcome to 2020!

178652 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to smileymiley, 2, #1253 of 1528 🔗

Taco bell is poised to take over all our eating out needs.

178667 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #1254 of 1528 🔗

Don’t joke if this carries on rat burgers will be a treat

178670 ▶▶ Miss Owl, replying to smileymiley, 1, #1255 of 1528 🔗

I know who I’d like to murder death kill.

178689 ▶▶ Matt The Cat, replying to smileymiley, #1256 of 1528 🔗

SmileyMiley you have been fined 25 credits for violation of the opinion morality code.

178651 Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, #1257 of 1528 🔗

Can anyone leave in a reply to this comment the link for the scientific paper (at least one, but two from different groups would be better) where it’s demonstrated that a new viral infectious particle exist, that this new viral particle is capable of causing a disease, pneumonia in this case (they always go for pneumonia, I wonder why?!), and that eventually the infected subject might die?

I’ll wait…

178985 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, #1258 of 1528 🔗

Well?! So many experts and no one can leave the links?!

178660 Paul, replying to Paul, 40, #1259 of 1528 🔗

As I collected our Chinese takeaway,two women came into the shop,both also unmuzzled and stood shoulder to shoulder with me at the counter,a simple piece of normality that was really noteworthy to me.

178787 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Paul, 1, #1260 of 1528 🔗

That’s great!
I’ve noticed how natural my interactions with the recent tradesmen have been – but it’s not natural that it’s noticeable!

178805 ▶▶ annie, replying to Paul, 4, #1261 of 1528 🔗

There are two takeaways in my town. At one, they shove the stuff at you like an operative shoving toxic waste onto a dump. To me they are history. At the other, I’m greeted by a cheerful lad who wears his mask under his chin when I’m around and smiles at my maskless face. We are in a defiant bubble of two. I hope he has many other such bubbles.

179004 ▶▶▶ GeorgeCountsToo, replying to annie, 3, #1262 of 1528 🔗

I have a good takewaway too, the guy who runs it thinks the virus is a pure conspiracy, even more sceptic than me. Even saw him preaching “virus is a scam” to a masked customer. I make regular visits, places that treat you humanely need to be supported.

178674 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 28, #1263 of 1528 🔗

Feeling very despondent today, as the madness rolls on.

This morning, having reluctantly visited Morrison’s , I was treated to the death stare look by a young female member of the floor staff, as she stood aside to let me pass.

(My badge is always displayed and has never been challenged.)

This blank stony hostility,,enhanced by black bank robber mask is truly unsettling.

Yesterday, I encountered the same person, who studiedly ignored me when I bid her good morning.

She’s the only worker to have behaved in this way, but what I found particularly troubling is that I would guess from her general demeanour that she’s well educated and probably doing this as a fill in.

What a life, when even a trivial trip to local supermarket causes anxiety .

178679 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to wendyk, 19, #1264 of 1528 🔗

‘well educated’ people these days are only educated in what they are told to believe.

178718 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to JHuntz, 4, #1265 of 1528 🔗

Absolutely! They have no knowledge except about the one subject they have studied but they have a superiority complex

178791 ▶▶▶▶ jakehadlee, replying to CGL, 7, #1266 of 1528 🔗

This is the problem with the cult of “expertise” these days. We have become so specialised, by necessity, that in order to reach the top in any profession you need to be totally immersed in that subject at the expense of every other field of knowledge.

So, for example, in order to be a top epidemiologist you can’t afford to give time to understanding social order, or economics, or psychology, or risk assessment – you can only understand epidemiology.

And that’s fine if someone else – a polymath who might not specialise in one subject but has a broad understanding of many – can interpret your findings in the context of broader understanding.

And that should be where politicians come in. But instead of polymaths we have fuckwits like Jonson who barely has the intelligence to conduct an extra marital affair without getting caught. So we are at the mercy of two very dangerous animals – over-educated monomaniacs and out-of-their-depth politicians. No wonder we are screwed.

178687 ▶▶ Danny, replying to wendyk, 11, #1267 of 1528 🔗

Know exactly what you mean and sorry it has gotten you down today. Just remember, you are the normal one. If you saw a crazy person too scared to cross a busy road and wearing a high viz jacket, completely crippled by road deaths anxiety, you’d feel sorry for them, but you wouldn’t take their hostile attitude towards you personally…. because they are clearly in a different head space. Easy for me to say I know, because it gets me too, but that is the analogy I keep telling myself!

178696 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Danny, 5, #1268 of 1528 🔗

You’re quite right and I suspect that this hostility is driven by resentment and the fact that the bare faced individual is making a statement, which cannot be challenged.

Sadly, I’m the sole bare faced customer; this hasn’t changed since the madness began.

178700 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to wendyk, 11, #1269 of 1528 🔗

Hold your head high, exude confidence and don’t let them get you down. You are strong, you are better than them and they are just jealous.

178705 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Sarigan, 6, #1270 of 1528 🔗

Thank you. I’m usually less frazzled but today I was still thinking about the local salon owner and her husband- related on yesterday’s thread- whose lives have been brought low by this lunacy.

178712 ▶▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to wendyk, 11, #1271 of 1528 🔗

My livelihood has been decimated but I will not let them get me down. This site and the people here keep me motivated and sane.

178716 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Sarigan, 2, #1272 of 1528 🔗

If we are allowed to go on hols – I’ll be trying to find you!

178723 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to CGL, 1, #1273 of 1528 🔗

Thank you CGL. Email me anytime offlands@protonmail.com and I will reply with contact details or just to chat.

178735 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Sarigan, 6, #1274 of 1528 🔗

This is what is so awful, that your livelihood has been wrecked by these overpaid superannuated criminals, most of whom have not had to get up close and personal with the consequences of their disastrous strategies.

178750 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Danny, replying to wendyk, 4, #1275 of 1528 🔗

Masks are such a visual image. It’s impossible not to feel alone in a crowd of them. But this storm will pass, and we will be able to hold our heads up high and say that we kept our integrity when all around caved. Take care and look after yourself.

178754 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Danny, 3, #1276 of 1528 🔗

What I want, is the opportunity, in the months ahead, to say-‘ told you so!’.

178765 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Danny, replying to wendyk, 6, #1277 of 1528 🔗

What I want is to look my daughter in the eye and tell her thatI did everything in my very limited power, to fight this. Would be so much easier to give in and to put on a mask etc, but I have reached a point where I just cannot do it.

178773 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Danny, 1, #1278 of 1528 🔗

I hope that this will come to pass soon and that she’ll appreciate your commitment.

178779 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Danny, replying to wendyk, 2, #1279 of 1528 🔗

Thanks. It’s unavoidable in these circumstances but I do worry that I am teaching her to distrust and suspect all authority and rebel, which had never been my plan for her as a general rule. She has become very anti mask despite my best attempts to shield her from this nonsense, but I supposed the alternative is even worse.

178796 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Danny, #1280 of 1528 🔗

Well said, Danny.
Wear your face with pride. I do. It’s no beauty, but it’s mine own and they are not going to delete it.

178747 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to wendyk, 2, #1281 of 1528 🔗

Wendyk you are such a caring and lovely person. (My kids are still fully hydrated btw!)

178752 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to CGL, 1, #1282 of 1528 🔗

Thank you CGL! Most of the time I feel like a cross between hard hearted Hannah and the spectre at the family feast:( my relatives suspect that I’m an irredeemable troublesome heretic).

178770 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to CGL, 1, #1283 of 1528 🔗

Very pleased to know that they have water CGL!

178703 ▶▶ Mathew Bennell, replying to wendyk, 9, #1284 of 1528 🔗

It’s normal wendyk it gets to us all, sometimes you just wonder if it’s worth it & just put a mask on. This site is an oasis & the only reason I’ve kept my sanity. Just accept you’ll have days like today but don’t give up 💪

178708 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Mathew Bennell, 16, #1285 of 1528 🔗

I’ll never wear one, never. If I have to endure even more isolation than at present, so be it.

Masks revolt me and you’re right – LS is an oasis in a social desert.

178724 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to wendyk, 10, #1286 of 1528 🔗

Same here. I decided as soon as my company made them mandatory on its premises (the same day the public transport rule came in) that this was my line in the sand. It was obvious that further violations were inevitable (testing, tracing, vaccine) so figured that it was prudent to stop complying sooner rather than later.

178729 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Richard O, 3, #1287 of 1528 🔗

Well said! Good on you!

178759 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to wendyk, 1, #1288 of 1528 🔗

Speak to the manager and complain

178777 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to wendyk, 5, #1289 of 1528 🔗

I have to date worn the lanyard in the supermarket because of the intimidating men on the door. Today I thought fuck this, I don’t want to go around pretending I have a disability. So today – the new approach, which I thoroughly recommend is this. March through the door purposefully. If challenged, you just need to say one word. EXEMPT. Say it firmly and give the jobsworth a look of utter contempt. Keep walking. It works!!

178781 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to HelzBelz, 2, #1290 of 1528 🔗

Oh I walk in confidently and smile broadly at them. No problems.
I always make a point of chatting with the checkout operator as they scan my stuff through too. Beaming smile to the fore.

178876 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Cheezilla, #1291 of 1528 🔗

Smiles on a maskless face work wonders.

178873 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to HelzBelz, 2, #1292 of 1528 🔗

I just walk in looking as if I own the place. Shop staff look, look again then just carry on as normal. I make a point of asking them ” where are the pine nuts” questions so it becomes a normal interaction.
Members of the public can be tricky. They give me a frown look. I can go from Miss Marple to Don Corleone in an instant, that does the trick.
And if it doesn’t, I am prepared to tell them to eff off.

178824 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to wendyk, 4, #1293 of 1528 🔗

Sorry to hear that. I’ve gotten so used to be the only unmuzzled person in a shop, the underground, where I work that it doesn’t bother me now.

I get positive reactions from some shop staff, visitors and I’ve had other people deliberately seek me out to ask for directions.

So I must be doing something right then.

178885 ▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to wendyk, 1, #1294 of 1528 🔗

The phrase, ‘a smile wouldn’t kill you love’, or even, ‘smile, you’re not dead yet love’, or ‘great day to be alive’, might be the way to handle the rudies at the meet and greet, Wendy. Everytime I go to the shops it just shocks me how many gullible people there are around.

178678 Danny, replying to Danny, 38, #1295 of 1528 🔗

My general impression of mask wearers is that a majority do it under pressure. For every ten people, 2 will be like myself and the majority of us on this site, 2 will be Covid bedwetters and terrified, but the other 6 you will see reluctantly taking their sweaty over used mask out of the depths of their bag before strapping it on as they enter a shop. I know from friends and family that they simply put it on either because it is too much hassle to challenge it, or because it doesn’t unduly bother them. My point is that the only way to beat this state we are living in now, is to be seen out and about as much as possible, without masks. The more we do it, the more emboldened others will become. If you walk into a Tesco and 10 people are unmasked, you are far less likely to feel obliged, if you are part of that reluctant majority. We must keep the pressure up and keep it visible.

178699 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Danny, 28, #1296 of 1528 🔗

My mother confirmed exactly the same thing to me the other day. She knows it’s a load of rubbish but complies whenever she goes shopping because she doesn’t want any hassle.

This is the evil genius of the regulations. Ensuring that the people police themselves. What sickens me more than anything else is that it was obvious as soon as masks were made mandatory on public transport that this would eventually be extended to everywhere in public indoors and outdoors. Rather than bring this in overnight as was done in many states in the USA, the government, ably assisted by the totally corrupt media, have been gradually tightening the screw. To me this is outright psychological torture.

Where does this end? Will they be mandatory forever? Will the regulations ever be relaxed? My fear is that we face decades of this. Masks have become the symbol of the new authoritarian system which so many have embraced, and far from being a tokenistic gesture so the state can be seen to be doing something, have become absolutely fundamental in creating a docile, complaint population which will accept further oppression without question or protest.

178760 ▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Richard O, 8, #1297 of 1528 🔗

There is no intent to get rid of them. Not even with an efficient vaccine. PCR crook Drosten already confirmed that.

178979 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Jay Berger, 1, #1298 of 1528 🔗

What even with a vaccine? When did he say that? If it is on video then it would be good to show the naive people who think masks are temporary…

178778 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Richard O, 6, #1299 of 1528 🔗

That’s why I think it’s our duty to demonstrate normality whenever possible.
Wear your face with pride!

178859 ▶▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to Richard O, 2, #1300 of 1528 🔗

I am waiting for the day that masses end up at doctors’ surgeries world wide with compromised lung function /chronic lung conditions. How will this be reported in MSM and what will governments’ responses be. The blame game, shirking of responsibility will continue. Already there are reports of dental problems and eye problems such as dry eye associated with mask wearing. Lungs can heal over time from some conditions but for other conditions transplant is the only option. My beautiful sister in law lasted 3 months able to breathe freely without struggling every second and on oxygen. I am so thankful she is not around to see what is going on.

178719 ▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to Danny, 7, #1301 of 1528 🔗

That’s very true about the majority. I went to Bridlington in North Yorkshire back in the summer and visited a few of the amusement arcades. My friend and I assumed face masks weren’t mandatory as very few people were wearing them so we didn’t bother – creating a domino effect as the people visiting after us were likely to have the same line of thinking. On the way out I spotted a well-hidden sign saying masks were compulsory, so somebody must’ve made a conscious decision not to wear one at some point.

178730 ▶▶ James, replying to Danny, 19, #1302 of 1528 🔗

I have not worn a mask since the beginning. It has not made a blind bit of difference. Sometimes I feel like the living person in a crowd of zombies. It is very disconcerting.

178783 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to James, 1, #1303 of 1528 🔗

That’s exactly what you are.

178785 ▶▶▶ jakehadlee, replying to James, 4, #1304 of 1528 🔗

It is a little like the final scene in Invasion of the Bodysnatchers sometimes

178758 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Danny, 10, #1305 of 1528 🔗

There was a suggestion in German resistance circles today to call for a or a few mask free days in protest, like a general strike.
As there are no legal/fine problems to expect for participants in the UK due to self-exemption, it should be possible to make it a success.
Remember: just 10-15% of the people resisting actively will usually bring about a huge change of opinion and course, see climate change….

178763 ▶▶▶ Danny, replying to Jay Berger, 2, #1306 of 1528 🔗

Good idea. But like all mass protests it can only work if publicised. A national daily paper needs to push it, and it would need a visual reminder, such as t-shirts, posters etc, so that there was no question in people’s minds as to what was going on. Also would be interesting to see if shops and cafes would be on board. I’m sure a lot of independents would support, albeit tacitly.

178771 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Danny, 5, #1307 of 1528 🔗

Definitely. Over a month ago, before the Welsh mask mandate, only 1 in 10 masked voluntarily in my local supermarket. Now it is 100 per cent compliance (minus my wife and I).

My wife is exempt, but when on her own, shops with a mask on because she gets panicky at the thought of confrontation. I’ve now decided to accompany her when I can, to give her morale support.

And the thought that my unmasked presence will encourage others to follow suite crossed my mind today too. Defiance must be visible to have an effect.

178793 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Mr Dee, 2, #1308 of 1528 🔗

Hear hear.
I don’t think more than one person in ten here in south-west Wales – including English visitors – has the slightest faith in the dirty rags they fish out of their pockets to enter shops etc.They do it for fear of a fine, or automatically, like a dog being told to ‘sit’. Most have no idea that exemptions are possible.

179002 ▶▶ GeorgeCountsToo, replying to Danny, 1, #1309 of 1528 🔗

The other good one is wearing clothes with anti-lockdown messages emblazoned boldly upon them, then being utterly polite and charming in all your interactions with the masked public and shop staff. It gives them quite a shock to see a kind human standing behind the most ranty of lockdown sceptic slogans, helps them realise we are people too, not just demons encountered in facebook anecdotes by friends of friends of friends.

178685 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 25, #1310 of 1528 🔗

A popular German singer and judge on a German talent show has come out as Corona sceptic.
Of course he is now hated, a conspiracist and “should be ashamed that he does not consider all the people around the world who have died of covid”.
So, what about all the people who die because of corona restrictions? Idiots…

178720 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Silke David, 15, #1311 of 1528 🔗

Well corona is the new religion, and he is a heretic.

179001 ▶▶ GeorgeCountsToo, replying to Silke David, #1312 of 1528 🔗

Last week a supposed friend of mine started calling me a conspiracist when I started sharing my long held sceptical opinions with all around (I thought it was the time when sharing might convince enough to make it worthwhile). What he doesn’t realise is that other friends of mine found my anti-lockdown arguemnts convincing, at last, on the off chance he evr reads this comment and knows who I am then I look forward to how he will sweat while going through our mutual friends trying to work out which have converted to my cause.

178693 Louise, replying to Louise, 5, #1313 of 1528 🔗

Anyone else here in a close contact with the public job, ie hairdresser/beauty/massage etc, I went back to work in July and so far so good, but I am petrified of a client getting it and blaming it on me, or me getting it and it ruining my business. One local restaurant near me had someone eat there and test positive for Corona and they had no end of people going on social media and slagging them off. If anyone gets it the stigma is unreal.

I have to admit I am really finding it hard to cope with it all, and am scared to do my job. I think lots of people if they do feel ill will hide it, rather than inform track and trace.

178863 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Louise, 1, #1314 of 1528 🔗

It’s how it is and I feel for you. The shame associated with it is worse than the risk. I know a few who’ve had it now and they all say to keep it you yourself. They don’t want people to know. As if they are unclean.

I am sure they all followed the guidance too. So they feel both shamed and confused.

178949 ▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to Louise, 1, #1315 of 1528 🔗

It must be terrible for you. Very difficult to run a business like this when being close enough to cut hair, massage, facials etc is necessary. Keep yourself as well as you can, vitamin D is sounding hopeful. I was in department store yesterday buying new foundation. Sales assistant tried colours on my hand and then asked if I would like to try it on my face. When I said yes, I was told to do the QRG thing, no sorry can’t do that, no phone. Had to write down my name and number. She was no closer to my face than when she was putting it on my hand. Who makes up these stupid rules.

178999 ▶▶ GeorgeCountsToo, replying to Louise, #1316 of 1528 🔗

The more who hide it the better, so long as they have the sense not to visit granny while symptomatic they’ll be doing their duty and building herd immunity among the non-vulnerable. I fear however that far too many will troop to the test sites, lambs bringing about other’s slaughter.

Might be good to see if clients can be made to sign an anti-track-and-trace form before entering, declaring that they will not give your business’s details to track and trace if they should at some point turn out to be infected.

178697 THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 1, #1317 of 1528 🔗

Excellent update guys. Can anyone read this study on masks and give us their thoughts? It’s an important one and trumpeted by our MSM as PROOF masks work: http://www.sfu.ca/econ-research/RePEc/sfu/sfudps/dp20-09.pdf
Any thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated.

178704 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 1, #1318 of 1528 🔗

Reading it makes me feel queesy

178709 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, #1319 of 1528 🔗

P.13 graph shows big initial drop but subsequent higher case growth in masked phu’s or am I misreading that?

178739 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 6, #1320 of 1528 🔗

We ripped this to shreds earlier.
It’s full of coulds, shoulds and might haves and relies on modelling.
It isn’t peer reviewed.
It defies all clear evidence to date.

178767 ▶▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1322 of 1528 🔗

Plus the assumption seems to be that correlation = causation. Not much evidence as far as I can see, though I did lose the will to live and didn’t read to the end!

178749 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 2, #1323 of 1528 🔗


The people are economists and part financed by Bill Gates with an expresdive Corona purpose. The study was therefore very likely done to come up with just that result. Numbers were already dropping, are not put into relative context and the numbers in neighbouring regions without mask mandates are not compared with those, it’s not peer reviewed, not a study but a working paper.
The comparison with Jena is flawed as Jena was flawed. See the links where 2 medical professors came to different conclusions.
I also think the timing says it all and what this and masks always were and still are really about…

178757 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 4, #1324 of 1528 🔗

68 pages of garbage.

178768 ▶▶ AndrewNYC, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 2, #1325 of 1528 🔗

The study’s data ends mid-August. Look at daily new cases in Ontario Canada since end August here: https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data

Now, tell me how well masks work.

178907 ▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to AndrewNYC, 1, #1326 of 1528 🔗

I live in Ontario and trust me when I say that mask compliance is 100%…actually higher than 100% since there are many morons wearing them outside and in their cars when there is no mandate to do so.

178972 ▶▶▶▶ AndrewNYC, replying to Lisa from Toronto, #1327 of 1528 🔗

I believe you. It is the same in New York City.

178978 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to AndrewNYC, #1328 of 1528 🔗

Are you mandated to wear them outside? I ready Douglas Murray’s piece about being in NYC and being yelled at, so I assumed it was a mandate. We don’t have to yet, but I expect that will be the next indignity heaped upon us.

179870 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ AndrewNYC, replying to Lisa from Toronto, #1329 of 1528 🔗

Sorry for the late response. The law in the state of NY is to wear them outside when you cannot socially distance. It has never been enforced in NYC (until very recently in the Orthodox Jewish neighborhoods where there are some spikes in cases now). However, compliance is close to 100% in upscale neighborhoods in Manhattan (excluding the occasional delivery person). It is maddening.

179303 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, #1330 of 1528 🔗

All of these studies seem to follow the same format. First they identify a pattern that we could hypothesize might happen i.e. when reported cases in a certain region increase, NPIs and adherence to them increase. Some e.g. distancing will have a noticeable impact on the shape of the curves, others e.g. cloth masks have an impact that is no more than psychological.

The studies then observe this correlation/association, without making any attempt to prove causation. Then they say “if we are to now assume this indicates efficacy, we can feed this into our models, and our models say people should have worn them more, and earlier”.

178711 nocheesegromit, replying to nocheesegromit, 17, #1331 of 1528 🔗

Just had a thought whilst on my bike ride earlier. Remember how the communist regimes in eastern Europe seemed to collapse around the same time in 1989 (Hungary reopening its borders; the Velvet Revolution in Czechoslovakia; and of course the fall of the Berlin Wall)?

The fact that the GB Declaration is an international statement works in our favour. If one country (Sweden aside, and particularly France/Spain/Italy) ends the lockdown and associated measures, I think there’s a good chance BoJo and his cronies will follow suit. I can only see the ‘tide turning’ if it is a entire country’s decision to return to normality.

178714 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to nocheesegromit, 3, #1332 of 1528 🔗

You would think it might go a bit like that, lets hope so. However normality isn’t sustainable. People have forgotten what that was like anyway.

178725 ▶▶ James, replying to nocheesegromit, 11, #1333 of 1528 🔗

If Germany falls the whole horrible pile of dominos will collapse with them.

178732 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to James, 6, #1334 of 1528 🔗

How likely is it likely to fall? I know scepticism is quite big there now, with well-attended protests and now serious legal action.

178738 ▶▶▶▶ James, replying to DRW, 14, #1335 of 1528 🔗

I think it is our best shot. They have been inoculated by their history. We have never directly experienced fascism and are very naive.!
The Spanish never really rejected it and the Italians have never truly come to terms with it. Not sure about the French?

178774 ▶▶▶▶▶ jakehadlee, replying to James, 13, #1336 of 1528 🔗

Absolutely – I think Germany could be the weak point in the pro-lockdown cabal. Unlike our rather child-like population, they still have a genetic memory of the why individual choice and liberty matters. While our lot give away the freedoms fought and died for over 500 years just as long as they get a furlough cheque, I think the Germans might have more fight in them. Fingers crossed.

178938 ▶▶▶ assoc, replying to James, 2, #1337 of 1528 🔗

I agree. Our leadership is too weak to get out of this by itself. We need the dominoes to start falling

178734 ▶▶ DRW, replying to nocheesegromit, 6, #1338 of 1528 🔗

Interesting thought. I think the USA is a good bet for the spark if Trump wins again. The blue states will have to concede eventually without bailouts/stimulus.

178775 ▶▶▶ jakehadlee, replying to DRW, 9, #1339 of 1528 🔗

The fact that I could be fervently wishing for a Trump victory is among the most unlikely things I would have thought about a year ago. Second only to the cradle of democracy spunking away it’s entire history

178782 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to jakehadlee, 3, #1340 of 1528 🔗

Agree on both points!

178896 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to annie, 3, #1341 of 1528 🔗

Same! I spent the last 4 years hating Trump and now I’m hoping he wins, albeit with very mixed feelings. Having said that, the states have been acting quite independently, so with South Dakota, Florida and a few others pretty much back to normal the rest may have no choice but to follow no matter who wins the general election. Joe may want to mandate masks for all and shut down the economy again on the say-so of “the science,” but I’m not sure it’s within his power to do so.

178942 ▶▶▶ assoc, replying to DRW, 2, #1342 of 1528 🔗

I agree. Germany or Trump’s America is our best chance for a way out of this s**t

178956 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to DRW, #1343 of 1528 🔗

Well Biden seems to be showing more signs of ‘confusion’ today; he was in Las Vegas but seemed to think he was in Arizona…

178737 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to nocheesegromit, 5, #1344 of 1528 🔗

It could just happen like that. At the moment, international peer pressure is preventing it from happening, but as you say, if one major European country abandons the stupidity, it could be a real turning point. Surely it’s inevitable, but it would probably need to be France, Spain or Germany – and it would need to work. Let’s hope so.

178829 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to nocheesegromit, #1345 of 1528 🔗

I think that it would help, in this country anyway, if we could get just one newspaper to come out as fully sceptic. At the moment, I wouldn’t say any of them were; possibly scared of the drop in revenue, or the torrent of hate against them that would follow.

178998 ▶▶ GeorgeCountsToo, replying to nocheesegromit, #1346 of 1528 🔗

It might be the USA which turns, much as many of us outside america are taught to hate him, Trump has come round to the sense of the Great Barrington declaration. he might take america out of lockdown. Much as the rest of the world hates Trump, they do seem to act as america’s puppy dog mush of the time for all their anti-president posturing. If Trump ends lockdown for the whole USA, and handles it well, that could be the turnng point.

178713 adele, replying to adele, 5, #1347 of 1528 🔗

Going to post this as a separate comment, not just as a reply. This whole false positive business happens more often than we realise, has been for years.

Whooping cough pseudo-epidemic.

178726 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to adele, 3, #1348 of 1528 🔗

Always be suspicious if a vaccine is involved.

178727 ▶▶ James, replying to adele, 4, #1349 of 1528 🔗


178742 NappyFace, 8, #1350 of 1528 🔗

“Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.”

Sherlock Holmes of course. Seems apt.

178748 swedenborg, 1, #1351 of 1528 🔗

“Daily “real cases”/infections at the peak would be ~250k, and now they would be~50k instead of ~10k. Thus, total number of infections since January would be~11million, around 23%of the Spanish population.”

Very nice update from 9th Oct from Spain. The curve is bending down and most likely the first country reaching herd immunity in Europe?


178753 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 32, #1352 of 1528 🔗

What’s the point of all the local lockdowns if every Tom dick and Harriet keeps getting tested.

Why not lockdown for 4 weeks and not test anyone and see if hospital admissions or deaths rise. Or just ignore the lockdowns and stop testing for 4 weeks.

My hunch is that fuck all will happen.

The PCR test is the virus.

178780 ▶▶ annie, replying to stefarm, 17, #1353 of 1528 🔗

Why not go back to bloody normal for ever and see what effect that has on the numbers?

178784 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to annie, 2, #1354 of 1528 🔗

They can’t do that now, it will expose too much

178792 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Achilles, 1, #1355 of 1528 🔗

Plus too way much invested in vaccines, financially and politically.

178841 ▶▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to annie, 2, #1356 of 1528 🔗

Love it, Ann. 😆

178887 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to annie, #1357 of 1528 🔗

My hunch will be fuck all effect on the numbers

178772 Nsklent, replying to Nsklent, 15, #1358 of 1528 🔗

Over in Birmingham doing an NLP course due to start tomorrow. The hotel states mask wearing, I arrive without. Delightful chap on reception behind perspex screen and masked. He does not give me a hard time not masked, in fact helps me with my bags, including wine and gin for the 9 day duration, no chances taken. It’s an airport hotel, but only 4 occupanvies, us doing the course, many have cancelled. How can a major hotel branch survive.
Well, let’s see what bed wetters I am with tomorrow.

178800 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Nsklent, #1359 of 1528 🔗

I’m quite close to Brum airport.

178820 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Nsklent, #1360 of 1528 🔗

NLP? Neuro-linguistic programming?

178880 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Londo Mollari, #1361 of 1528 🔗

Create events. Call for fear. Control the narrative

178786 sky_trees, replying to sky_trees, 10, #1362 of 1528 🔗

Have people seen this? From Devi Sridhar. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/when-will-coronavirus-end-dkp88hgx6

‘When is it going to be over?

Sridhar paused for thought. “I’m looking ahead to 2024, maybe 2023,” she said. “We’re in this for the long haul.”

Good God. Is suicide the only way out?!

178788 ▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to sky_trees, 1, #1363 of 1528 🔗

The devastation that will cause aside, has any pandemic lasted for that long?

178854 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to nocheesegromit, 2, #1364 of 1528 🔗

The problem is they will make it last by testing us all forever.

178871 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to nocheesegromit, #1365 of 1528 🔗
178895 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to calchas, 2, #1366 of 1528 🔗

We will if people with end-of-life lungs keep getting vaccinated against the existing pathogens that prey on them. That is clearly going to create niches for yet more novel pathogens to emerge.

178992 ▶▶▶▶ GeorgeCountsToo, replying to calchas, #1367 of 1528 🔗

The sensible thing to do, if the progress brought about by free trade and movement inevitably means more new diseases, is handle them like we always handled local diseases before. meh, there’s a new disease out, give the doctors some more funding, prep a few spare hospitals, otherwise keep on as normal. Would we even know about covid if it had spread in a time before PCR testing was scalable enough to be used like it is today, would covid have shown up as anything but a baffling slight peak in elderly deaths (probably not potted until years later) if we were working on symptoms alone rather than very modern tehcniques?

179175 ▶▶▶▶ Lili, replying to calchas, #1368 of 1528 🔗

How convenient.

178790 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to sky_trees, -1, #1369 of 1528 🔗

Do you know what is the main GOAL of OPERATION COVID?

178984 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, #1370 of 1528 🔗

Clearly the down voter knows…

178797 ▶▶ Liam, replying to sky_trees, 1, #1371 of 1528 🔗

No. Do not give in.

178803 ▶▶▶ sky_trees, replying to Liam, 5, #1372 of 1528 🔗

Yea I should clarify I am generally more inclined to fight than give up in case people were worried – it was more an expression of depth of feeling than an intention. But I feel pretty powerless – written to the MP loads of times and got the expected useless responses. Would go to protests if I was able to get there. And with lunacy like this, where the initial three weeks gets stretched out now to 2024 by people who shouldn’t be anywhere near power yet somehow inexplicably, and without being voted in, seem to be pulling the levers…. it’s jaw dropping and as I say, I just feel powerless and furious!

178812 ▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to sky_trees, 5, #1373 of 1528 🔗

Same here. Take comfort where you can find it, literary, historical, musical, whatever. I’m taking courage from reading Solzhenitsyn and knowing that he died at peace, free in his beloved homeland, with his tormentors dead and in hell.

178821 ▶▶▶▶▶ sky_trees, replying to Liam, 3, #1374 of 1528 🔗

Haha. I guess I take comfort in… hope, really. Life throws curveballs. Things can seem set and then suddenly turn. That’s what I’m looking out for, really. But I’m as despondent as I am hopeful, contradiction in terms though it is. What an absolute failure of the state.

178827 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to sky_trees, 1, #1375 of 1528 🔗

Courage my friend.

178995 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ GeorgeCountsToo, replying to sky_trees, #1376 of 1528 🔗

Failure of the state, or plot? The mre they try to rubbish all the sensible options and undermine our Great Barrington Heroes* the more I think the latter.
*Best add Gupta and co to our hero category, alongside whistleblowers like Assange and Snowden

178828 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to sky_trees, 5, #1377 of 1528 🔗

Don’t worry. You have more power than you think you have.

It’s not what happens to you, but how you react to it that matters.” Epictetus

178852 ▶▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Mr Dee, #1378 of 1528 🔗

Good to hold on to that. And work out ways to push back whilst not getting sucked into their little game.

178798 ▶▶ jakehadlee, replying to sky_trees, 1, #1379 of 1528 🔗

Her career will be over before then

178802 ▶▶ Bill h, replying to sky_trees, 8, #1380 of 1528 🔗

No medical qualifications.

‘Chair’ sponsored by Bill.

Book with Chelsea Clinton.

Obviously well placed to provide dispassionate and informed advice .

Wow !

178826 ▶▶ NappyFace, replying to sky_trees, 4, #1381 of 1528 🔗

The devastation of humanity is a worthwhile sacrifice to defeat a cold virus.

Hundreds of millions will starve, perish in poverty and lack of healthcare, suicides will spike.

The liberal democratic life is over for us all.

But we will be free from that wretched cold virus.

178997 ▶▶▶ GeorgeCountsToo, replying to NappyFace, 1, #1382 of 1528 🔗

Until it inevitably comes back. As zealots look out on the scarred remains of a ruined world the last thought they’ll have, as starvation and exposure finish them off, is “do I feel a dry cough coming on”.

178840 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to sky_trees, 7, #1383 of 1528 🔗

Devi Sridhar wants Covid to continue because it makes her feel powerful and gives her the opportunity to carry out the social engineering she clearly dreams of. We know she would happily ban alcohol given the chance – so Scots should expect a dry future.

178850 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to sky_trees, 4, #1384 of 1528 🔗

Oh are we Ms Sridhar? So you think you’re in control of us and decide when it’s all going to end do you? I have a feeling we will all tell you lot to F off one way or another… by 2023.

178952 ▶▶ John P, replying to sky_trees, #1385 of 1528 🔗

Is suicide the only way out?!

No, but this is your choice.

I think it should be said that life is always going to present problems. Usually on an individual level. At the moment on a collective level.

Samaritans 116 123

178807 Liam, replying to Liam, 3, #1386 of 1528 🔗

The financial interest in vaccines and potential profit from them do not come within a million miles of being an explanation for the deliberate, utter ruin of global civilisation.

178878 ▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Liam, 1, #1387 of 1528 🔗

It’s a huge cash cow with no immediate downside as all pharma companies will be immune from prosecution if there are serious side effects. There could be a downside if it’s a disaster and vaccine hesitancy increases and affects their existing product line, but that didn’t happen in 1976 or more recently with the H1N1 vaccine. There’s definitely a link — if you’d like to follow it — between the Covid vaccine and immunity passports being floated and using digital tracking as a means of controlling behaviour.

178888 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 2, #1388 of 1528 🔗

But Big Pharma can rely on the Fake Media to cover for them, as they have done with vaccine damage up to now.

178904 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to OKUK, 1, #1389 of 1528 🔗

Absolutely correct. People are suddenly aghast at the idea of a Covid vaccine not tested against an inert placebo and yet have no idea that no vaccine has been tested against an inert placebo! Del Bigtree’s non-profit is the organization that pushed the FDA to force the US trials to test against a saline injection. They were, and the other vaccines are, being tested against the meningitis vaccine. Not exactly a randomized, placebo-controlled trial. When many of the injuries are caused by the adjuvants in vaccines, testing one vaccine against another is not exactly a fair test!

178947 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Lisa from Toronto, #1390 of 1528 🔗

“as all pharma companies will be immune from prosecution if there are serious side effects.”

I know that there has been talk of this. But is this law now in Canada?

Also, the situation in individual countries will be different.

I know it has been talked about here in the UK, but I don’t know if they have actually been granted immunity.

178974 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to John P, #1391 of 1528 🔗

We cannot sue vaccine manufacturers here in Canada, and only the province of Quebec has a vaccine injury compensation program. In the US there is a vaccine court, but it’s nearly impossible to get your case heard and very few win compensation, and yet they have paid out over $4 billion since its inception in 1986. Big pharma was losing money paying out damages and so in 1986 they told the US government they were going to get out of the vaccine business because it’s impossible to make a fully safe vaccine and they were tired of being sued. This is when the US government gave them blanket immunity and set up the vaccine court, with damages paid by US taxpayers. No coincidence that the number of vaccines produced and then mandated by the government skyrocketed, leaving us with the least healthy kids ever (autoimmune disorders, allergies, learning disabilities, etc.).

178990 ▶▶▶ GeorgeCountsToo, replying to Lisa from Toronto, #1392 of 1528 🔗

It’s an international game of “copy commie china”. China locked down they copied, China has a social credit system, now western leaders are using covid as an excuse to start building one. Long have the likes of Boris envied Jinping, now they see a chance to emulate him.

My view overall is to look to the above as the sinister stuff going on behind the scenes, a vaccine, if there ever can be one for this virus, will be nothing but a vaccine. It will be profitable, it may be ineffective, it may be unsafe, the latter two wil be genuine accidents (reckless ones perhaps) if they occur. But social credit systems, those are the real peril to watch out for.

178945 ▶▶ John P, replying to Liam, -3, #1393 of 1528 🔗

It’s not deliberate.

179174 ▶▶▶ Lili, replying to John P, 1, #1394 of 1528 🔗

I can’t help but think that you are a troll. Every comment of yours I’ve read seems to be to sow misinformation and yet you offer no explanation for anything that is going on. It’s a classic troll tactic.

179000 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Liam, 1, #1395 of 1528 🔗

The vaccine is the key to the immunity/health passport.That gives control to the state over the population.They then can usher in the 4th industrial revolution tied to the great reset.The WEF are quite open in their aims

178810 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #1396 of 1528 🔗

Anybody got any ideas what this is about? Covid internment camps planned for Canada.


178816 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Country Mumkin, 3, #1397 of 1528 🔗

It sounds ominous. But look on he bright side – maybe they’re only going to imprison those who say males are different to females.

178845 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #1398 of 1528 🔗

That made me laugh. And you’ve got to laugh at this stuff.

178819 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Country Mumkin, #1399 of 1528 🔗

Are they going to be similar as the New Zealand ones currently in operation?

178846 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Mr Dee, #1400 of 1528 🔗

I really don’t know. In the video the man’s questions were ignored

178866 ▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Country Mumkin, 3, #1401 of 1528 🔗

Randy Hillier is a former Progressive Conservative MP who is now an independent because he broke with the party. He’s really the only MP questioning the Covid nonsense, though one other MP voted against our premier extending his emergency powers and I believe she was also kicked out of the party and is an independent. He’s referring to the isolation centres that most governments are talking about/planning, ostensibly for people who need to quarantine and have nowhere to go — overseas arrivals or members of a family where it’s impossible to isolate (apartment or small residence, no separate bathroom for the person in quarantine, etc.). Some governments are using hotel rooms and others are looking at other kinds of facilities. I don’t like the sound of it as the potential for abuse is high and I don’t trust any government not to keep extending emergency powers and infringing on our civil liberties. Whether I’d call them internment camps, I’m not sure yet.

178989 ▶▶▶ GeorgeCountsToo, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 2, #1402 of 1528 🔗

They probably wouldn’t be like internment camps, initially. But over time they’d get more brutal as the guards learned to love power, as the economy collapses and conditions deteriorate… the trouble with these things isn’t what they are on day one, it’s what they become. The insistence of countries like New Zealotland in putting guards around them recognises that people will, at least at some future point, fidn themselevs there completely unwillingly and will be trying to escape. You don’t make the largest peacetime deployment of your army, St Jacinda, in history if you don’t expect they’ll be doing something eventually, even in the (increasingly unlikely looking) event that your initial intentions were honourable.

178988 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to Country Mumkin, #1403 of 1528 🔗

Well they’ll need cold storage for my lifeless body. I ain’t going without a fight.

178823 Draper233, replying to Draper233, #1404 of 1528 🔗

Brand New Tube appears to have been hacked and is currently inaccessible…?

178832 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Draper233, 1, #1405 of 1528 🔗

Working here (London).

178857 ▶▶▶ Draper233, replying to Ceriain, #1406 of 1528 🔗

Yeah i’m London too and it’s working for me again now.

Bit worrying as there was what appeared to be a hacker’s message on screen when it was down. Not a surprise to see it targeted though.

178830 Nessimmersion, replying to Nessimmersion, 9, #1407 of 1528 🔗

The Real Pandemic: Mass Munchausen’s Syndrome by Proxy
It’s more than fair to say that we are experiencing a pandemic, but not the one you hear about ad nauseum. No, the pandemic is not a virus, it is a pandemic outbreak of Munchausen’s Syndrome by Proxy which focuses its obsessions on the virus.

Munchausen’s Syndrome by Proxy is a mental illness in which the sufferer fantasizes that others–usually people in their charge, such as children–are suffering from serious illness and require drastic medical intervention.

As posted on:

178886 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Nessimmersion, 4, #1408 of 1528 🔗

Yes, an interesting way of looking at things. Politicians are attention-seekers by definition. Covid guarantees them (think Sturgeon) a hell of a lot of attention by pretending the whole population is in mortal danger.

178831 Nsklent, replying to Nsklent, 17, #1409 of 1528 🔗

Do you know guys. Just about to try and sleep and realised that professionally I have spent 30 happy years in what were described as authoritarian, dictatorships by the West, and in Saddam’s Iraq, it was a very happy breeze compared to Boris’ UK. So next time a nappy wearer gives me a hard time a few hard facts will be dispatched.

178842 ▶▶ jakehadlee, replying to Nsklent, 15, #1410 of 1528 🔗

I recently decided to take the approach that when someone questions me about not wearing a face mask and then insists on knowing why I have a medical exemption I tell them that I have PTSD from being captured and hooded by islamic terrorists when I worked as a security operative in Iraq and that it is entirely possible I could kill someone if a face covering triggers me. Not true of course, but effective. Only used it once so far, but it had the desired effect.

178856 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to jakehadlee, 2, #1411 of 1528 🔗


178858 ▶▶▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to thinkaboutit, 2, #1412 of 1528 🔗

You’ve got to have some fun with it. I’m practising going full Jack Nicholson while I tell them

178862 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to jakehadlee, 14, #1413 of 1528 🔗

I instead say that mask wearing is an integral part of my BDSM fantasies and results in uncontrollable and intense arousal, so I’m not wearing one to protect them from me. That works too.

178915 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to jakehadlee, 2, #1414 of 1528 🔗

I am gonna tell them I have terminal lung cancer, how dare you!

178987 ▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to jakehadlee, 1, #1415 of 1528 🔗

Mine is alcoholic step-father abuse where, when I was a child, he used to jam a sock in my mouth and wrap tape tightly around my face to shut me up. And I deliver this story with a fixed intense glare, never taking my eyes off the complainant.

178833 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 2, #1416 of 1528 🔗

Interesting article from WSJ:

Coronavirus Hit the U.S. Long Before We Knew Months before travel bans and lockdowns, Americans were transmitting the virus across the country

178872 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Nobody2020, #1417 of 1528 🔗

Not able to see the article in U.K. but my theory was that it was out there as early as September 2019. My father transited Singapore in October 2019 and then came home and had exactly every sign of Covid. This might be slightly earlier. But then my wife was in China and Barcelona in mid / late November and had something so similar.

178889 ▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Leemc23, #1418 of 1528 🔗

I’m in the UK, it’s just in a strange format where you have to scroll down a lot.

178900 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Nobody2020, #1419 of 1528 🔗

Nope, it says you have to subscribe to read it.

178955 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to OKUK, #1420 of 1528 🔗

Ah, worked first time for me as I managed to read it. Now it’s not when I click on the link. Apologies.

178986 ▶▶▶ GeorgeCountsToo, replying to Leemc23, #1421 of 1528 🔗

October might be a bit early, it is possible the virus hadn’t crossed to humans that early, but we can be fairly sure of the Bradford choir who caught it in December when one of them came back from a visit to Wuhan. And we can suspect that the early recorded cases in the UK would have, in reality, spread it to far more people than known about (PHE admitted their capacity then could trace a maximum of under 10 contacts, if only it was that small now we might not be seeing the test-demic panic) in late winter and early spring. We now see stats saying over 80% of cases are asymptomatic, this virus has been caught by a lot more people than know they’ve had it. Antibody responses are often hard to detect even where immunity exists, so antibody tests will underestimate, possibly by an awful lot, the number of people previously exposed. The WHO estimates that 10% of the world have had it, chances are the number is higher still.

Unless one is the kind of hermit that lockdown zealots wish to force us to be then you probably know someone who has had it, there is a good chance you’ve had it. And despite all this very few of us have seen people who’ve had it seriously, or lehtally. This is a widespread virus, and hence through stats, a pretty mild one.

178836 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 4, #1422 of 1528 🔗

More reason for prolonging the crisis?

comment image
Pete Timmins
PPE Medpro was incorporated in May this year with a share capital of £100 . It has just won, without tender, a £110,000,000 contract to supply PPE to the NHS The govt is being run by a bunch of corrupt #Tories who award contracts to pals, paying them millions in tax payers money


178948 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Nobody2020, #1423 of 1528 🔗


178967 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #1424 of 1528 🔗

There’s more it seems:

Tory Councillor’s firm got £156m UK govt PPE contract. No competitive tender. At 31 Dec 2019, P14 Medical had £100 share capital, £5234 tangible assets, £145 cash, 8 employees and technically insolvent. Previously, the firm received £120m PPE contract.


And the linked article in the Tweet:

Government accused of ‘cronyism’ after Tory councillor wins £156m COVID contract

178973 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Nobody2020, #1425 of 1528 🔗

Yes that’s them.

179156 ▶▶ Lili, replying to Nobody2020, #1426 of 1528 🔗

Was it ever thus? I’ve spent years trying to encourage friends and family not to vilify Tories. Now, l actively hate them and Labour are no better.

179375 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #1427 of 1528 🔗

I cannot seem to figure out why Owen Patterson MP was involved with the company that had all their useless tests recalled, few days later his with mysteriously dies in a horse riding accident then it’s never mention again in the MSM.

Why this timing? Did she know something she shouldn’t have about that scam?

178838 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #1428 of 1528 🔗

What a Web they’ve spun. It’s incredible how the same organisations and institutions pop up through all of this. One of the articles linked above was this.


That a company involved in the Moonshot PCR testing is a spin off of Imperial College London shows how tight the Web is spun. The same organisation funded by Bill Gates, hired to model the fear plan, then is ready to provide the infrastructure to deliver it.

178855 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #1429 of 1528 🔗

And Ferguson and Edmunds are closely involved in the vaccine lobby, being active in the Vaccine Centre, a somewhat shadowy entity that seems to be hosted by the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine. The Centre’s mission statement makes clear it wants to see vaccines for ALL diseases and to ensure everyone receives all these vaccines. It’s a mad, incredibly dangerous project – like something out of a Bond movie – but the people who are pushing it are actually key advisors making recommendatikns of national importance to our government.

178882 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to OKUK, 2, #1430 of 1528 🔗

Yeah where is Bond? He’s threatened to show up for months now. We could do with some help.

178927 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to OKUK, #1431 of 1528 🔗

On vaccines, I just read on social media some people saying that Anna Brees is now pro the Gates vaccine – is this true????

Has she been ‘spoken to’?

178941 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Carrie, #1432 of 1528 🔗

Spoken to? I doubt it!

I’m sure Anna Brees has a mind of her own and would resist anyone telling her how to think.

Are social media sources always reliable?

Perhaps she made a comment about vaccines that were taken out of context.

There’s nothing on her twitter feed today about Gates.

178851 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 9, #1433 of 1528 🔗

Queens birthday honours list-plenty of gongs for people who helped out during the lockdown- but nothing for Toby who kept us sane.

178919 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to crimsonpirate, #1434 of 1528 🔗

Maybe I am going mad (!) but I thought the Queen’s Birthday honours were announced on her ‘official’ birthday in June????? And then another lot of Honours at New Year?

Is this an extra lot, or were the June ones postponed?

178933 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Carrie, 3, #1435 of 1528 🔗

Postponed, apparently. And I’m bloody fed up with all these people being described as “heroes”! They aren’t bloody heroes! The only heroes I can think of are people who display valour “in the presence of the enemy” – i.e. people eligible for the Victoria Cross.

178980 ▶▶▶▶ GeorgeCountsToo, replying to Tenchy, #1436 of 1528 🔗

George crosses should count too, they’re like a VC but for “civilians, or soldiers, who performed acts of valour when the enemy wasn’t about”. People who save others from sinking ships with no regard for themselves, even in peacetime, are heroes too ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Rogers_(GC) ).The criteria is still one of going well above the normal expectation of duty though. With some rare exceptions, the NHS have been performing largely well below the duties expected of them, very few have gone beyond them.

178853 Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 10, #1437 of 1528 🔗

He’s being watched, and the signal has been sent:


When he goes down, there is going to be a queue of people from his own side waiting for their moment of revenge me thinks!

178861 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #1438 of 1528 🔗

He’s going nowhere but to the House of Lords. You will grow old with this crap head dragged up to comment on every single big medical storey for the next 30 years.

178860 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #1439 of 1528 🔗

Last piss up in the North-so next week all folk book a weekend in London, Brighton etc ?

178996 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to crimsonpirate, #1440 of 1528 🔗

Working in London tonight,plenty of northerners down already.

178864 captainbeefheart, 1, #1441 of 1528 🔗

Sometimes I think (I know this is not to be encouraged these days) that maybe we’re the only country in the world locked down – I can’t say for certain that we’re not because I’m not allowed to travel anywhere.

I know this is bollocks, it’s a total “global” lockdown, but in these days of misinformation and psychological warfare, it’s not hard to imagine.

I hope everyone reading this is “not letting the bastards grind them down”.

Justice will prevail.

178867 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 8, #1442 of 1528 🔗

I am astonished that google have censored the Great Barrington Declaration.

Toby – please please comment on this as much as you can on tomorrow’s update.

Whatever you think of the declaration in a free world it must be heard. By default it’s no longer a free U.K.


178869 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Leemc23, #1443 of 1528 🔗

Have they????

**** me! You’re right!

The first thing I get when I google it is…

Climate Science Denial Network Behind Great Barrington …

178962 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #1444 of 1528 🔗

A smear. Egregious propaganda.

But only to be expected!

178874 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Leemc23, #1445 of 1528 🔗
178884 ▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to Leemc23, 1, #1447 of 1528 🔗

It’s there but all the top results are negative rubbish

178910 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Lockdown Truth, 1, #1448 of 1528 🔗

Incredible now bias the “free” internet giants are.

178914 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Leemc23, #1449 of 1528 🔗

It’s become so in your face this last 12 months. Ever since Zuckerberg was in front of Congress the clampdown from the IT giant has been rampant.

178932 ▶▶ John P, replying to Leemc23, #1450 of 1528 🔗

I’m not.

178939 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Leemc23, #1451 of 1528 🔗

Better to use a search engine like https://duckduckgo.com/

Quite a few left wing publications have done hit pieces on the Declaration – they seem to love lockdowns, it seems to be a new left wing cause for some reason.

178993 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Darryl, #1452 of 1528 🔗

Fully behind the Great Reset.The Green Agenda being implemented over cover of Covid

178982 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Leemc23, 1, #1453 of 1528 🔗

Why the F u C K do you guys STILL use google?!?!


I use DDG for many years and the GBD search is not censored.

178870 Lockdown Truth, replying to Lockdown Truth, 6, #1454 of 1528 🔗

Has anyone looked at the wikipedia entry for the GBD? It’s 100% negative. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Barrington_Declaration
We should all work on it to keep it neutral. At least start by adding the other view!

178877 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Lockdown Truth, 5, #1455 of 1528 🔗

One of the founders of Wikipedia himself says it’s all contrived to suit agendas now.

178881 ▶▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1456 of 1528 🔗

Jimmy Wales? Covid is contrived or GBD is contrived?

178905 ▶▶▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to Lockdown Truth, 1, #1457 of 1528 🔗

Probably Wikipedia articles themselves

178912 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Lockdown Truth, 1, #1458 of 1528 🔗

Not Jimmy. The IT guy who no doubt did the actual work


He wrote a book about information recently released

178909 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Lockdown Truth, 2, #1459 of 1528 🔗

Edit away good people. Edit away.

178929 ▶▶ John P, replying to Lockdown Truth, 2, #1460 of 1528 🔗

The “response” is completely illegitimate and clearly designed as propaganda. It shouldn’t be there at all. The wikipedia article should simply state what the GB declaration is.

At least it has been flagged by wikipedia!

This section may lend undue weight to certain ideas, incidents, or controversies. Please help to create a more balanced presentation. Discuss and resolve this issue before removing this message.

178935 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to John P, 1, #1461 of 1528 🔗

Anyone interested in editing this article should strive to add material supporting the GBD, rather than removing the stuff that doesn’t. The key here is balance.

178958 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1462 of 1528 🔗

It is, but as I said, wikipedia is simply there to say what the GB declaration actually is.

It is not a forum for discussion of the relative merits of of it, and certainly not a place to push propaganda against it.

178950 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Lockdown Truth, #1463 of 1528 🔗

Wikipedia is not to be trusted on anything politically contentious, as there is a strong left-liberal (in the US sense) bias in the demographic of contributors.

178959 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Edward, #1464 of 1528 🔗

Is the GB Declaration politically contentious?

179011 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Lockdown Truth, #1465 of 1528 🔗

The GBD is only accessible to web savvy people. As such can it be expected that a complete negative wikipedia entry will ring alarm bells in most people – does anyone who roams the internet trust wikipedia?

178875 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1466 of 1528 🔗

As we’ve known for a long time they won’t stop till its masks everywhere all the time, likely for good.

The BMA’s recommendations include:

– Changing the Rule of Six to allow only two households to meet, and those should not exceed 6 people, ideally outdoors rather than indoors;

– Making the wearing of face masks mandatory in all offices and working environments, unless you are working alone;

– Making people wear masks in all outdoor settings where two-metre distancing is not possible;

– Providing financial support to businesses, retail and hospitality settings to enable them to make premises Covid secure and provide clear rules on what ‘Covid secure’ means;

– Providing medical grade masks, free of charge, to those who are over 60 or in a vulnerable group, as recommended by the World Health Organisation;


178892 ▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #1467 of 1528 🔗

And people wonder why the NHS is shit.

178983 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to James Leary #KBF, #1468 of 1528 🔗

Problem is that the BMA is not the NHS. You could privatise tomorrow without solving the problem.

178902 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to crimsonpirate, 5, #1470 of 1528 🔗

He’s welcome to wear his gimp mask 24/7 if he wants to. Don’t think I will be joining him. Utter prick. I am going to start believing in Santa again. He’s as mythical and faith based as masks.

178922 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Leemc23, 8, #1471 of 1528 🔗

I know one thing. My opinion of the medical profession has plummeted in the past six months.

The BMA clearly has more quacks than your average duckpond.

178926 ▶▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to John P, 4, #1472 of 1528 🔗

They are just a union. Same as unite etc. Just ignore them. That’s what they deserve.

178890 Lockdown Truth, replying to Lockdown Truth, #1473 of 1528 🔗

Does anyone here happen to know what Peter Saville’s opinion on Covid/Lockdown is?

(Legendary Factory Records designer)

178920 ▶▶ John P, replying to Lockdown Truth, #1474 of 1528 🔗

No, why should we?

178957 ▶▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to John P, 2, #1475 of 1528 🔗

You’re very contrary today? If you have no interest in my question, don’t reply!

178913 PD, replying to PD, 5, #1476 of 1528 🔗

Laurence Fox and Toby should throw their weight behind the SDP as should all us Sceptics.
They espouse the values most of us hold dear, critical thinking, family, pro democracy and therefore pro Brexit, cost / benefit analysis with Covid strategies.
I’m sold. Never voting for Alan Campbell (Labour) again.


178923 ▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to PD, 7, #1477 of 1528 🔗

Their statement RE: restrictions:

“The SDP today announces its opposition to the government’s new COVID-19 restrictions. We call on the government to instead adopt a sustainable public response to the pandemic, befitting the long-term challenges it poses.

The newly-unveiled restrictions demonstrate a failure by policymakers to adequately consider the long-term social and economic health of Britain. Alongside the harm inflicted upon the nation’s struggling hospitality industry, the new restrictions on social gatherings are set to indefinitely deprive many people of the collective experiences which are essential to their sense of belonging, purpose, and humanity.

Besides the long-lasting damage inflicted by the restrictions, these measures also threaten to permanently undermine the liberties and freedoms of the British people. The introduction of ‘COVID-19 Secure Marshals’, ostensibly to help local authorities support social distancing, represents a heavy-handed intrusion by the state into the lives of individual citizens.

“A considerate approach is needed in response to COVID-19,” says William Clouston, SDP Leader. “The government should encourage and enable the vulnerable to voluntarily shield themselves, while calling on the rest of the population to behave in a respectful, responsible and tolerant manner. The virus is here and may remai