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179030 Girl down Under, replying to Girl down Under, 6, #1 of 1892 🔗

Well what do you know!!! 😊

179031 ▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to Girl down Under, 6, #2 of 1892 🔗

Now I’ll read.

179047 ▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Girl down Under, 23, #3 of 1892 🔗

Forward to your MPs – It’s better than doing nothing

‘STOP locking-down to control Covid’: Britain’s WHO envoy pleads with world leaders to stop using lockdowns as their ‘primary’ means of tackling virus because it is ‘doubling’ global poverty
Dr Davie Nabarro blasted lockdowns as ‘primary means of controlling Covid-19’
WHO envoy said world poverty would ‘double’ by 2021 as a result of lockdowns
His calls echo growing concerns of scientists who oppose lockdown measures


World Health Organization Tells Leaders To End The Lockdowns


WHO call lockdowns “a catastrophe” -.

179214 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 10, #4 of 1892 🔗

I guess that’s a good step, though I worry what they propose instead – Test,Track & Trace, vaccine & health passports?

179991 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Julian, 1, #5 of 1892 🔗

They will call local lockdowns, restrictions.

It’s gaslighting!

179327 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 5, #6 of 1892 🔗

“WHO call lockdowns a catastrophe”
First sensible words from WHO since pre- BMGF days.
Nabarro for sidelining?

179504 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to PastImperfect, 7, #7 of 1892 🔗

So now YouTube must ban anything pro-lockdown?

179988 ▶▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Lockdown Truth, #8 of 1892 🔗

Tee hee …

179429 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 8, #9 of 1892 🔗

My guess is they are realising that making billions from vaccines doesn’t do you much good if it’s in the context of a Mad Max landscape.

179465 ▶▶▶ GuyRich, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 9, #10 of 1892 🔗

I can only see this as an attempt to undermine national governments in order to install ‘their’ governmental structures. Call me a cynic but this kind of shit stinks of the NWO creep to me.

179678 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to GuyRich, 4, #11 of 1892 🔗

Replace national governments with WHO government structures. How could you tell the difference ?

179712 ▶▶▶▶▶ GuyRich, replying to Rowan, 4, #12 of 1892 🔗

Good point. I guess I meant the illusion of change!

179995 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to GuyRich, -2, #13 of 1892 🔗

Isn’t it funny that mafia boss Nabarro has to communicate via you tube to his inferiors?

180073 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #14 of 1892 🔗

What an idiotic comment.

180116 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to John P, 6, #15 of 1892 🔗

Interesting response.

I find this man to be highly questionable (Nabarro not you). The WHO have gone along with the charade for months, demanding x or y, and now pleading with governments via you tube to stop lockdowns. Do you not find it slightly ironic? Or maybe even just a tincy bit odd?

It’s like they’re saying “look world, it’s not us, not our fault. genuinely it was your governments”.

I don’t buy it.

180164 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Country Mumkin, 3, #16 of 1892 🔗

Interesting point!
The WHO woman who said the mask u-turn had been due to political pressure hasn’t been heard from since.
Watch this space and wait for any response to Nabarro. Should tell us how the land lies.

180303 ▶▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Rowan, #17 of 1892 🔗

because local despots wielding regional control over local conditions under global oversight will be much more in your face.

180046 ▶▶▶ PowerCorrupts, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #18 of 1892 🔗

He must be censored!!!!!

180069 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #19 of 1892 🔗

Great idea. Done.

180547 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #20 of 1892 🔗

So the WHO start the panic with dodgy mortality rate figures and praising the China response and NOW they’re saying this?

This is going to end so very very badly…

180017 ▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Girl down Under, 5, #21 of 1892 🔗

As I Walked Out

Van Morrison

Gets straight to the point about lockdown


“As I Walked Out”

As I walked out all the streets were empty
The government said everyone should stay hope
And they spread fear and loathing and no hope for the future
Not many did question this very strange move

Well, on the government website from the 21st March 2020
It said COVID-19 was no longer high risk
Then two days later they put us under lockdown
Then why are we not being told the truth?

By all the media outlets and the government lackeys
Why is this not big news, why is it being ignored?
Why no checks and balances, why no second opinions?
Why are they working, and why are we not?

As I walked out all the streets were empty
The government said everyone should stay hope
And they spread fear and loathing and no hope for the future
Not many did question this very strange move

But on the government website from the 21st March 2020
It said COVID-19 was no longer high risk
Then two days later Boris put us under lockdown
Why are we not being told the truth?

By all the media outlets and the government lackeys
Why is this not big news, why is it being ignored?
Why no checks and balances, why no second opinions?
Why are they working, and why are we not?

Why are they working, and why are we not?
Why are they working, and why are we not?
Why are they working, and why are we not?
Why are they working, and why are we not?

180271 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #22 of 1892 🔗

Simple, but effective, well done Van the Man.

179033 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 44, #23 of 1892 🔗

Yes, I do agree about bedwetter. It’s rather infantile, school playground stuff. Does it persuade anyone to move in a sceptical direction? Probably not. Does it turn doubters off and make sceptics look like loons? Probably. Is it rude? Definitely. And I’m with Hannibal Lecter on what should happen to the rude.

179036 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 13, #24 of 1892 🔗

Is Scaredypants acceptable ?

179039 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to karenovirus, 11, #25 of 1892 🔗

An insult that describes what they actually do would work.

179044 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to thinkaboutit, 3, #26 of 1892 🔗

I like that 😷 🏅

179096 ▶▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to thinkaboutit, 25, #27 of 1892 🔗


179133 ▶▶▶▶▶ Simon Dutton, replying to Chris John, 5, #28 of 1892 🔗

The Gagged.

179348 ▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Chris John, 5, #29 of 1892 🔗

Although such a term is fine amongst ourselves, I feel that it will probably make it more difficult to convert anyone who might feel offended. Remember it is the fault of the incessant propaganda on those that do not regularly look for alternatives to the MSM.

The comments this lady has regarding masks might make people think twice about using them:-


179369 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to PastImperfect, 10, #30 of 1892 🔗

We have a preponderance of scientific, anecdotal, medical and economic opinions on our side. They don’t seem to be able to gain converts at any rate.

Are you saying it’s because we’ve adopted a pejorative term for the enemy?

Give me strength.

180176 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to PastImperfect, 5, #31 of 1892 🔗

I’ve never felt using bedwetters was fine.

Incontinence is a very distressing condition that affects thousands of unfortunates for various reasons, some due to trauma, some medical – including botched operations.
It should not be used in ridicule.

180244 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Samhurt, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #32 of 1892 🔗

You have no idea how ridiculously insipid you sound.

And it’s damn funny, by the way, as most serious things involving health complications surely are if you don’t take yourself or others terribly seriously to begin with. My gramma could laugh about it, and plenty of burdened adults can handle their emotions just fine. Enough of this effeminate moralizing!

180359 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #33 of 1892 🔗

As a person who has to self catheterise I understand your point but think bedwetters is apt

179351 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Chris John, 3, #34 of 1892 🔗

Coronanists, mask debaters

179431 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ George Dance, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #35 of 1892 🔗

I’m partial to ‘Pueyoistas’, but perhaps that’s too obscure.

179891 ▶▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to thinkaboutit, 10, #36 of 1892 🔗

Someone on here a few days ago suggested “Branch Covidians” because of the cult-like religious zeal.

180251 ▶▶▶▶▶ ChrisDinBristol, replying to mattghg, 3, #37 of 1892 🔗


180480 ▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to thinkaboutit, 3, #38 of 1892 🔗

They want to suppress the virus.
They suppress daily life.
They suppress the economy.
They suppress the health service.
They suppress socialising.
They suppress student life.
They suppress common sense.
They suppress debate.

179109 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to karenovirus, 17, #39 of 1892 🔗

Or Maskateers?

179528 ▶▶▶▶ wildboar, replying to Fingerache Philip., 8, #40 of 1892 🔗

Actually, let’s just continue using ‘bedwetters’. It’s far easier than having a multiplicity of terms and filling up this forum with imaginative ways to be disparaging, however clever they may be. Because the new disparaging term may well be cancel-cultured too.

More importantly, to retain the term we have used since the start of this panicdemic supports free speech.

179660 ▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to wildboar, 3, #41 of 1892 🔗

Quite. The enemy would be very happy that we’re arguing amongst ourselves about what – ahem – watered down pejorative to apply to our nemesis.

180193 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to AidanR, 5, #42 of 1892 🔗

Why not use a word which in itself is inoffensive but only becomes offensive when used in context. My suggestion would be “Hancock”.


“Did you see Fred in his hazmat suit?”

“Yeah, he’s a right Hancock he is.”


“Just been to the pub and they’re all masked up.”

“Yeah, they’re all Hancocks in there.”

179926 ▶▶▶▶▶ TT, replying to wildboar, 10, #43 of 1892 🔗

I generally call them what they are: hypochondriacs….

180182 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to wildboar, 2, #44 of 1892 🔗

We’re not talking censorship here, merely the choice of something more appropriate.

180592 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to wildboar, #45 of 1892 🔗

Falklands warriors were forbidden to call the islanders Bennys (thicko from Coronation St or Crossroads? ).
An Officer later queried
“What do you mean by calling them ‘Stills’?”

‘Still Bennys Sah!’.

180600 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to karenovirus, 1, #46 of 1892 🔗

They banned that as well, so they became “Andies”.

And ‘ey’re still Bennies…

180049 ▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to karenovirus, 1, #47 of 1892 🔗

Norfolk Nunu-bugs?
Berkshire Hunts?

179040 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #48 of 1892 🔗

I second that. Including the bit about Dr Lector.

179054 ▶▶ Samhurt, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #49 of 1892 🔗

Sounds like something a ‘wetter would say.

We’re gonna need a thicker ply!

179071 ▶▶ Nsklent, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 26, #50 of 1892 🔗

I agree to some extent, but are we then not in danger of going down the road of censoring due to the fear of upsetting someone somewhere, or someone’s perceived sense of insult – now where have I heard something similar. I think I would stick with the sentiment of I may not like what you say, but I will protect your right to say it – any term will be considered offensive by someone. I am actually disappointed we are even having this conversation. People who are genuinely fearful through acceptance of the successful government propaganda, I do have sympathy for, after all it is behavioural psychology at work. The people I reserve this comment for are the more the virtue signalling types, or those who reserve no rationality to their actions e.g., weraing a mask in the car, walking outside entirely in your own company, masked and gloved, parents forcing children to wear masks, though the latter deserve a harsher term.
The gentleman remarking on this did not explain exactly why thus term disturbs him, is it because he perceives it to deride the affliction of incontinence, which obviously it doesn’t.

179196 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Nsklent, 6, #51 of 1892 🔗

I agree, but I do wish there was another term somehow. Anyway I object to the blanket term ‘covid deniers’ applied to all sceptics. We are not denying that covid exists!

179254 ▶▶▶▶ johnthebridge, replying to bluemoon, 3, #52 of 1892 🔗

What about “yellow bellied cowards”?
Just a thought.

179330 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Nsklent, 12, #53 of 1892 🔗

In fairness, if we’re looking to recruit waverers to our side, insulting them probably isn’t a good way to start.

180377 ▶▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #54 of 1892 🔗

If they haven’t wavered yet it’s because they’re turncoats

179075 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #55 of 1892 🔗

My insults are definitely becoming more personal eg. telling a bedwetter teacher that they are only concerned with breaking up games of Tig

179111 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #56 of 1892 🔗

Strangely, around here,the West Midlands (Geographically, not the county), we always called it Tick.

179117 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Fingerache Philip., 10, #57 of 1892 🔗

Get it right, it’s Tag.

179449 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #58 of 1892 🔗

We ‘Cheshire potatoes’ did too. MW

179080 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 18, #59 of 1892 🔗

It’s just that name calling is a form of disrespect, like we look down on folks for being gripped by fear…because we’re better than them?
Millions upon millions still prefer television access to the MSM. My parents don’t do any alternative viewing online…the boomers trust the big screen and the big networks. I understand why they are in lock step with this s**t.
I have to attend Thanksgiving dinner tomorrow with a room full of believers. It’s going to suck if the chatty chat goes viral (haha). Trump derangement syndrome and covid obsession for a one two punch night of awful conversation. I’m envisioning walking out early. But I won’t call them names. Just people being people, following as only they know.

179580 ▶▶▶ wildboar, replying to Eddie, 6, #60 of 1892 🔗

We should all have the right to be disparaging if we wish.

We should all have the right to be careful about what we say in order to create a pleasant atmosphere and to not be offensive.

We should not allow other people, groups, organisations or governments to dictate what we can think and what we can say and when an attempt is made to change our thinking or our free speech, our policy should be to defeat that attempt.

Our opinions change over time as we come across different ideas and get new information and that is a slow process of individual development, far different from suddenly changing our behaviour or speech by unnecessarily submitting to an external force. ‘Political correctness’ has become tyranny.

179082 ▶▶ annie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 31, #61 of 1892 🔗

A lot of us come on here to be rude to the gutless zombies who are enabling our Fascist tyrants to crush us. This is our site and we shall call these hopeless ex-people what we like.
Or will the Free Speech Union start censoring us? Will a zombie write to complain?

179083 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to annie, 21, #62 of 1892 🔗

Let’s call them zombies rather than bedwetters…I doubt any actual zombies will write in to complain.

179084 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to thinkaboutit, 5, #63 of 1892 🔗


179088 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to annie, 4, #64 of 1892 🔗

I was actually surprised at the notion of us evaluating this expression from the founder of FSU.

179100 ▶▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to annie, 4, #65 of 1892 🔗

There should be a choice, I believe. One person’s insult is another’s free expression.
Some will say bedwetter, others might consider that a bit harsh and say zombie.

I try to be polite even when insulting people. If you take that as self-censorship then so be it. Though, tbh, the invective I use does vary according to how exasperated I am, and nowadays I’m fairly exasperated!

179385 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to thinkaboutit, 2, #66 of 1892 🔗

Surely we want to change the collaborators’ understanding of the dire straits we are in? The government doesn’t care that it is killing them with masks. Maybe the collaborators just want to keep the hospitalisation numbers up.

(Vernon Coleman calls them collaborators.)

179577 ▶▶▶ See - owe to Rich, replying to annie, 1, #67 of 1892 🔗

I don’t mind commenters using the term “bedwetter”, but I mind the lead articles using it.

179727 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to See - owe to Rich, 1, #68 of 1892 🔗

Yes, I think this is a good compromise, given people wanting to cite this site to their contacts.

So Toby should self-censor, but the rest of us needn’t. 🙂

180191 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to See - owe to Rich, 1, #69 of 1892 🔗

I agree. Puts people off and it’s ridiculously puerile.

I like that there’s no censorship BTL here.

180188 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to annie, 3, #70 of 1892 🔗

Gutless zombies
hopeless ex-people
Now that’s much more like it!

179123 ▶▶ Biker, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 21, #71 of 1892 🔗

Nothing wrong with being rude and boorish. Fuck your stupid petty morals we’ve no time left for being nice. Bedwetters should be changed to Cunts and anyone who is a lockdown skeptic doesn’t look like a loon, except the arseholes who still support deep state agents like David Icke.

179729 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Biker, 3, #72 of 1892 🔗

Well said why the fuck that letter was published on here I don’t know. CUNTS it is..

179731 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Biker, 6, #73 of 1892 🔗

Nothing wrong with being rude and boorish.

Well of course there is, if one is trying to convince people using logic, evidence, and common sense.

I’m happy to call someone a cunt when appropriate, but it does tend to stop any meaningful dialogue. 🙂

179138 ▶▶ Marina Peerman, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 7, #74 of 1892 🔗

The gentleman has a point – I know when I use the term, it’s because I’m raging against those who are enabling this madness. So it is derogatory. Normally, I’m all for free speech but we need the support of more people. Fast. Most people who only come across this site now are likely to have once been one of those we mock when using the term. I vote for not using it – at least until the tide has turned. And then we let loose!

179154 ▶▶ GLT, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 20, #75 of 1892 🔗

I don’t agree with any censorship of free speech but I would prefer it if Toby used the word ‘Zealot’. I think it more accurately conveys the religious fanaticism of the people who are the problem.

179494 ▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to GLT, 2, #76 of 1892 🔗

“Swivel eyed loon”

180192 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to GLT, 2, #77 of 1892 🔗

Good point!

179180 ▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 10, #78 of 1892 🔗

I don’t like ‘bed-wetter’ either.

Mask Zombie
Pod people
The asleep
The afraid
The collaborators
The unenlightened

179360 ▶▶▶ Jules, replying to Winston Smith, 2, #79 of 1892 🔗

I choose the fifteenth option on your list.

179737 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Winston Smith, 3, #80 of 1892 🔗

Eloi is a good one.

179186 ▶▶ chaos, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #81 of 1892 🔗

You’re discussing a pointless detail.

179188 ▶▶ Mike, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 15, #82 of 1892 🔗

I am of the opinion now after months of playing nice that derision and humour is one of the best if not only weapons we have to fight these soft minded numpties. If after all this time so few of them have even bothered to look at the evidence on the governments own websites and reports then they deserve to be called harsher things than bedwetter. With regards to what term to use when referring to these sheeple I would say use anything that takes your fancy in the context of your situation…There is something cathartic about a well timed put down, equally some times a bit more tact is needed.

If you don’t like a particular terms then don’t use it, but for heavens sake please don’t start going down the lefty route of ‘you shouldn’t say that’. We are surrounded by that nonsense already.

179193 ▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Mike, 3, #83 of 1892 🔗

I wholeheartedly agree

179321 ▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Mike, 3, #84 of 1892 🔗

Having an astute understanding of your potential audience and how to sell them your message is not “lefty”.

It’s advertising / marketing – typically associated with good free market corporations.

If we want to effect change we should start listening to arguments like this.

If I accuse you for example of using the word “sheeple”, just like the flock of other tinfoil hat wearers… will that help endear you to my argument?

179247 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 7, #85 of 1892 🔗

I think bedwetter is fine – if it is hurting, it is working.

179343 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Ewan Duffy, 2, #86 of 1892 🔗

It is judgmental. Judging people closes them down, doesn’t open them up, or help them to be curious or to listen.

As I said earlier I don’t like censorship , but I do think language we use is important.

Society today uses language like weapons. It’s become very divisive.

179411 ▶▶▶▶ TyLean, replying to Country Mumkin, 12, #87 of 1892 🔗

Case in point…. they are weapons. Why would we come empty handed to the fight? I believe they drew blood first with “covidiots.”

179668 ▶▶▶▶ Keen Cook, replying to Country Mumkin, 4, #88 of 1892 🔗

I personally think people who are convinced 6 million under 50 have died -are – to use a very old fashioned term – drips. As in people I probably wouldn’t spend time with who are not courageous or interesting. That’s all fine in a normal world but this isn’t normal. So for me ‘the terrified’ would be ok & generous as most are (even though they are also not particularly bright…………)

179280 ▶▶ DomW, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #89 of 1892 🔗

Coronaphobes ?

Or ‘Ronaphobes’ for brevity.

I hit on ‘Ronamaniacs’ yesterday on a live stream/chat session but that is perhaps a little more insulting and so could be reserved for those we might currently label ‘Karens’

179300 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 9, #90 of 1892 🔗

What we’re essentially discussing is the political correctness of words. If we say that the term bedwetter is too insulting then what argument should we have against the proposed bill in Scotland whereby anything you say could be deemed illegal just because somebody else takes offence at it?

A similar argument has been made for the term Herd Immunity with people saying they don’t appreciate being likened to cattle. I see little difference in that and those who are arguing that we should get rid of the gender terms man and woman.

It’s just a downward spiral of words being deemed offensive and people growing up unable to cope because of words they don’t like. Where does it end if not in a law that makes your words illegal just because somebody else takes offence?

179337 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Nobody2020, 2, #91 of 1892 🔗

“You called me a bedwetter. Bwaaa…”

“Prove me wrong then.”

179555 ▶▶▶ George Dance, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #92 of 1892 🔗

If we say that the term bedwetter is too insulting then what argument should we have against the proposed bill in Scotland whereby anything you say could be deemed illegal just because somebody else takes offence at it?”
How about: “Just because it’s insulting, doesn’t mean it should be illegal, dumbass.”

179328 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #93 of 1892 🔗

The Accepting? The Reticent?

179331 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #94 of 1892 🔗

I was always somewhat dubious about the term. Really not good for a public forum.

179361 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 8, #95 of 1892 🔗

I’m sorry, but miserable, poe-faced coffin-dodgery is not what we need right now. It is the tool of our enemies.

We need to maintain a sense of humour, and the more we bend to such delicate little flowers (who seem to be salty about their own age-ravaged condition), the more our latitude for raucous debate is reduced.

179386 ▶▶▶ Jules, replying to AidanR, 2, #96 of 1892 🔗

I think we should stop using hurty words to describe these utter morons.

180201 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to AidanR, #97 of 1892 🔗

We need more of those delicate little flowers on our side!
How do you expect things to improve if you alienate our potential allies before they start to look at some alternative info?

179384 ▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #98 of 1892 🔗

I like “Coronaphobe” and my own “Farce Masker.”

179397 ▶▶ kf99, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #99 of 1892 🔗

Agreed, bedwetter isn’t going to win anyone over to our side.

Face nappy wearers ? Or chin hammock wearers maybe.

Something that makes people think about how ridiculous they look.

179412 ▶▶ Tim, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 9, #100 of 1892 🔗

I’m not in favour of censorship. People should not be afraid of letting other people know how they feel. However, I think it is worth considering what you are trying to achieve, and what is the best language to influence your opponent.

If your objective is simply to let off steam then “Bedwetter” is fine. The number of Lockdown enthusiasts reading this site is minimal.

If your comments are for a wider audience, including people whose minds you need to change, then more conciliatory language is needed. For example, the Barrington Declaration avoids the use of the term “bedwetter”.

I also agree, though, with those who say we have spent too long being nice. Our MPs, for example, need to know exactly how we feel.

179437 ▶▶ Marvin42, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, -1, #101 of 1892 🔗

I agree, too, about dropping this term. We need is to be taken seriously – the damage being done to society is serious. I think a term which describes those who have believed the narrative, perhaps become scared, perhaps do not want to research properly because it is that (realising they have been wrong) they are scared – because there is scant evidence that what they are doing works – but masses of evidence to the contrary.

Hard to decide on a suitable term, but maybe: Pandemic Experimenters

Sort of shows that it is all the lockdown, masky countries who are the unusual ones, and it is the likes of Sweden (who just followed 2019 WHO guidelines and those of decades previously) who are watching us all experimenting at great cost to our countries.

180205 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Marvin42, #102 of 1892 🔗

Good points but not keen on “Pandemic Experimenters.”

179461 ▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #103 of 1892 🔗

To be fair, with the state of my mental health at the moment, name calling from me is the least of their worries 🙁

179511 ▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #104 of 1892 🔗

I say non-sceptics. It’s factual and non-judgemental. In public that is…

179559 ▶▶▶ George Dance, replying to Lockdown Truth, #105 of 1892 🔗

That’s a good tack. How about “Believers”, or “True believers”?

179652 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Lockdown Truth, 2, #106 of 1892 🔗

It’s dreary.. it’s a rhetorical soggy pitta bread.

179513 ▶▶ wildboar, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #107 of 1892 🔗

Member of the cancel culture, are you?

Best not use the words ‘school playground stuff’ or ‘infantile’ as you could offend people who are over-sensitive.

Let’s all make sure we are all sensitive about every word we use, shall we? Or we may offend someone, somewhere, at some time.

How strange that on a free speech forum you have a bevy of supporters disagreeing with free speech.

180209 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to wildboar, 1, #108 of 1892 🔗

Nobody’s disagreeing with free speech!

It was simply suggested that giving them a puerile pejorative label is not a good way to win friends and influence people.

We need converts. As Tee Ell notes, it’s simple marketing stuff.

180228 ▶▶▶▶ Samhurt, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #109 of 1892 🔗

Propaganda is immoral. Let people find their own way! The truth is enough, censoring language is wrong and capitulation to prudish offence-takers is a terrible precedent to set! Who among us found this place via this piddling ‘marketing’ piffle some of you keep yipping about? Where is the manliness, where is the mirth? Why coddle the enemy? Why even debate this non-problem here? This is, as boar said a Free Speech website. I ask again: what are you all drinking today?

179701 ▶▶ Steve Jones, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #110 of 1892 🔗

I call them govidiots.

179797 ▶▶ deldor, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #111 of 1892 🔗

I use “muzzleturd” or “arsehole” when driving past those who are wearing them miles from anyone walking along the road. Shouting it from the car window is quite satisfying,!

180489 ▶▶ stewart, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #112 of 1892 🔗

I’ve recently rewatched the video of the two men trying to console their mother at their funeral and being told to separate. After watching that, I have to say not upsetting the heartless, mindless cretins whose hysteria has made scenes like that a part of our daily life is very much the least of my concerns.

179035 RichT, replying to RichT, 27, #113 of 1892 🔗

The British Medical Association want us to wear masks outdoors, also backed by a SAGE member. This is the usual rhetoric leading to mandation. The Daily Mail readership are none to happy judging by the comments.


179049 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to RichT, 26, #114 of 1892 🔗

04.30 Sunday. Almost the entire first page of comments sceptical except
“If you use the NHS you should do as you are told”, voted down 57-1.

Let them bring it on say I. We all see the confirmed facenappers (h/t thinkaboutit) who voluntarily wear masks outdoors. Then there are those who do not wear them when they ‘should’, either because exempt, careless or sheer bloody mindedness.

We need to identify the third group, those that ‘work to rule’ by slipping them on as they enter a shop but ripping them off as soon as they leave. It is obvious they hate the bloody things but go along with it because.
Obliging them to submit whenever outside would make many of them come out full on Sceptic.

179232 ▶▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to karenovirus, 17, #115 of 1892 🔗

The BMA is a trade union which exists to protect its members; both from the virus, and from legal cases from people who have been denied treatment for life-threatening diseases and the relatives of those who have died. They know that ‘masks’ outside are bollocks; they are trying to cover their backs.

I intend to break the law on this so it would be useful to know of sceptical solicitors who would take the case.

179355 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Caroline Watson, 4, #116 of 1892 🔗

Hello Caroline

Will you be refusing to wear one or will you be exempt?

I’m a non mask wearer and use exemption if asked.

However, I’m planning other things and am currently thinking about what I should do if I get arrested… (My intention is NOT to get arrested I should add).

So same question as Caroline, any advice legally most appreciated.


179594 ▶▶▶▶▶ MyHomeIsMyCastle, replying to Country Mumkin, 7, #117 of 1892 🔗

I’m a non-mask wearer and as I’m deliberately breaking the law, I wouldn’t dream of claiming an exemption. I don’t mind if I DO get arrested. A criminal record at my age (50-something) when the naughtiest thing I’ve ever done is go at 38 mph in a 30 zone on a Sunday afternoon would be rather fun, I think. And I don’t have a career to wreck or anything.

My husband isn’t a practising lawyer but he can offer advice and point you in the right direction if necessary.

180214 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to MyHomeIsMyCastle, 2, #118 of 1892 🔗

If you look at the guidelines, you’ll see that EVERYONE can legally claim exemption anyway.

179374 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to karenovirus, 12, #119 of 1892 🔗

Bring it on. I too feel that will be the final straw. I’m surprised the indoor mandate wasn’t, but it did have a sort of logic, if wrong. There is absolutely ZERO justification for wearing a mask outdoors, unless you live in an area with very high diesel smut pollution.

Easy to prove outdoor mask wearing is about control, not health.

179492 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Nick Rose, 6, #120 of 1892 🔗

It depends who backs it Nick. Head at my child’s school was beyond the curve and encouraged all the parents to wear a mask as soon as they stepped out of their car. Many complied.

It appears to me that those who comply easily either

* Had some sort of authoritarian upbringing
* Are fairly meek
* Are moralistic/virtue signallers
* Want an easy life / conflict avoiders

There’s very few with the steel to stand up and accept they may face discussion or confrontation.

People find it hard to be assertive.

I think people therefore will take it.

BUT I don’t think people will take the change suggested in the great reset. See Girl Down Under post from Sky News. That’s beyond most people, they won’t get that at all. The people trying to pull that one off are deluded IMO.

179584 ▶▶▶ MyHomeIsMyCastle, replying to karenovirus, 4, #121 of 1892 🔗

I wonder how many of the people who believe “if you use the NHS you should do as you are told” are fat?

179609 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to MyHomeIsMyCastle, 1, #122 of 1892 🔗

I think it was someone being mischievous to wind up the Mail readers.

179252 ▶▶ PaulH, replying to RichT, 6, #123 of 1892 🔗

Yep, this is the usual route.

Watch out of the Daily Telegraph “leak” then the policy appearing in Scotland.

Usually hits the UK in a week or two.

179512 ▶▶▶ Ruth Sharpe, replying to PaulH, 4, #124 of 1892 🔗

Yes, it could be something like, MacFishface saying she’ll relax lockdowm 2, but in return, we all have to cover up everywhere. Then Nanny Boris follows a couple of weeks later.

For anyone living in a rural area like I do, wherever in the UK, it will be interesting to see how many walkers, dog walkers etc will actually cover their faces.

180217 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ruth Sharpe, 1, #125 of 1892 🔗

Could be depressing!

179282 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to RichT, 6, #126 of 1892 🔗

I was looking at the parliamentary petitions yesterday, the ones that are “calling for” masks have a TINY amount of signatures. ABSOLUTELY PUNY, like 500 odd signatures. In fact a lot of them “calling for” harsher measures have pathetic support. It shows the government pay no attention to petitions and do what they want.

179359 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Two-Six, 2, #127 of 1892 🔗

Ooh, that’s interesting. Perhaps we can get a compilation of petitions compiled. Be great to see the numbers of the puny ones.

180220 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Two-Six, 1, #128 of 1892 🔗

They probably pay attention but choose to ignore them.

179339 ▶▶ Toby Young, replying to RichT, 19, #129 of 1892 🔗

It isn’t the BMA. As the GP points out today, BMA members haven’t been consulted about this. It’s just the Chair flying a kite.

179352 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Toby Young, 5, #130 of 1892 🔗

I do hope the kite doesn’t land in Chris Whitty’s garden. He’s very good at pulling the strings of things that don’t belong to him, it appears.

179379 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Country Mumkin, 7, #131 of 1892 🔗

Having wrapped itself round a power line with luck. The great restart.

179495 ▶▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #132 of 1892 🔗

Ha ha…

179499 ▶▶▶ RichT, replying to Toby Young, 1, #133 of 1892 🔗

Very interesting, The BMA is the trade union and professional body for doctors in the UK.
A trade union is an association of workers forming a legal unit or legal personhood, usually called a “bargaining unit”, which acts as bargaining agent and legal representative for a unit of employees in all matters of law or right arising from or in the administration of a collective agreement .

I guess it is not that uncommon for trade unions to push their own agendas, but I would not expect that from a Professional body.

179921 ▶▶ Edward, replying to RichT, 7, #134 of 1892 🔗

I’m thinking of sending the following to the BMA. (Yesterday somebody supplied the email address as media_affairs@bma.org.uk )
Dear BMA
Sometimes a reasoned argument is the best approach, but at other times a more direct statement is appropriate.
You can stuff your stinking mask up your shitty arse, then ram it down your throat till you choke.
Now fuck off.
Yours sincerely
Boris Handcock

180607 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Edward, 3, #135 of 1892 🔗

I emailed them your last two words. Seemed sufficient to me.

180963 ▶▶▶▶ Carlo, replying to annie, #136 of 1892 🔗

Did the same myself told them to Foxtrot Oscar!!

180941 ▶▶ ianp, replying to RichT, #137 of 1892 🔗

Ironically, bringing this in could be beneficial.

What better way of waking up the apathetic sheep? I have been trying to convince people of the real reasons for this virus charade – 4th industrial revolution, total surveillance, WEF & Great Reset, agenda 2030 totalitarianism via digital immunity passports etc. and nothing registers. ‘What if you had to wear a mask outside?’… Answer : ‘well that’s different’

God save us all if the majority comply though…

179037 The Dark Lord, replying to The Dark Lord, 14, #138 of 1892 🔗

I think the term “bedwetter” is perfectly acceptable … and in fact applies to the “gentlemen” who wrote to complain … its no different than saying someone is “drunk” with power … serious adults know you don’t mean they are actually “drunk” or an alcoholic … the writer is not a serious adult and frankly BS’ing about being a fan of the site …

179060 ▶▶ Samhurt, replying to The Dark Lord, 6, #139 of 1892 🔗

Outbreaks of prudishness are just as deadly to fun as the ‘rona. Bedwetters ALWAYS find a way!

179073 ▶▶ Nsklent, replying to The Dark Lord, 3, #140 of 1892 🔗


179224 ▶▶ Ben Shirley, replying to The Dark Lord, 12, #141 of 1892 🔗

Quite. Anyone can see that bedwetter is a mockery of infantile cowardice, not of actual bed-wetting associated with early youth or old age. There’s hardly a more polite description for them either. If some old git really wants to stop reading LS because he dislikes its use of the pejorative, I’d say he was cutting off his nose to spite his face.

179530 ▶▶▶ Naomi, replying to Ben Shirley, 6, #142 of 1892 🔗

Well said, Ben. Given how close our hand basket is to hell, what true sceptic has the time or the energy to nitpick such a triviality?

179038 RichT, replying to RichT, 9, #143 of 1892 🔗

Where is Dr Jordan Peterson?, a man whose favourite book is the The Gulag Archipelago (a warning about doing nothing when facing tyranny). He even wrote the forward to the most recent reprint last year. The explantion for his total silence is that he has had a breakdown due to the death of his wife, If I were a suspicious person I would say how convenient.

“What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?”

“If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?”

179050 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to RichT, 3, #144 of 1892 🔗

His illness started long before C-19.

179051 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 5, #145 of 1892 🔗

Indeed, he has. He’s been in Russia for specialist treatment and his opponents were clearly overjoyed by his suffering.

179055 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #146 of 1892 🔗

Like those of Mr Trump with the Covid.

179053 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to RichT, 4, #147 of 1892 🔗

It was seeing one of Dr. Petersons videos with the front cover of The Gulag Archipelago as its little picture icon (?) that first led me to his YouTube site.
I read Solzhenitsyn when 14-15 which confirmed and extended my understanding of what totalitarianism meant.

From what I gather neither that book nor One Day In The Life Of Ivan Denisovich are currently taught in UK universities.

Bizarrely he Dr Peterson sought treatment for his breakdown in Russia and the last I heard was a short video from his daughter saying he was well but resting.

179056 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to karenovirus, 6, #148 of 1892 🔗

Not so bizarre if the treatment was not available elsewhere. i can see the day when we’re flying to Moscow for a filling in that front tooth.

179062 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Londo Mollari, 9, #149 of 1892 🔗

Will the NHS be saving any of our money by not actually doing anything ?

179130 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nic, replying to karenovirus, 3, #150 of 1892 🔗

A year since I last had a dental check up due 1 in may , the practice cancelled it but assured me that it would be re arranged for a few weeks time?

179365 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to karenovirus, 1, #151 of 1892 🔗

An excellent and subtle question! I sometimes wonder if the prolongation of the incarceration is just the medics panicking that we’ll spot that their pills and potions don’t work much of the time.

179105 ▶▶ nat, replying to RichT, 10, #152 of 1892 🔗

Jordan Peterson was really the first to take on the woke brigade in 2016 when he took a stance against Canadian human rights legislation that prohibits discrimination based on gender identity or expression. He was especially frustrated with the requirement to use alternative pronouns as demanded by trans students or staff, which he recognised as an affront to free speech.
It is very sad he is not well enough to challenge what is going on today, he would be making such an important contribution towards ending this nonsense.

179372 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to nat, 2, #153 of 1892 🔗

He seems to be recovering slowly. Diazepam is a hell of a drug.

179623 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 2, #154 of 1892 🔗

Very effective and quite good fun if you can stick to just using it for a week as I once did 30 years ago to get over an alcohol episode.
Had me crying over The Waltons ffs.

179042 Angryphon of Tunbridge Wells, replying to Angryphon of Tunbridge Wells, 114, #155 of 1892 🔗

I’m a Nurse of 33 years standing.I haven’t treated an ‘active case’ since April.I’m appalled and frustrated by this ongoing farce.Active or passive resistance is the only way forward.I forgot the British public was gelded many years ago.

179293 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Angryphon of Tunbridge Wells, 5, #156 of 1892 🔗

Good one.

179043 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 17, #157 of 1892 🔗

Not normally one for conspiracy theories but it occured to me that perhaps Curfew itself is the whole point.
Repressive regimes generally impose curfews once Civil Unrest is getting out of hand.
With most of the population being interred at home for three months any lesser measures seem relatively liberal. We had a few months of this relative liberality before the government started its creeping second lockdown with Leicester.
If it had faced a backlash it could easily have retreated. Backlash there was none and so they creep ever onwards even though local lockdowns have no effect on the now fake Pandemic.

Come March we will have accepted a 10.30 complete curfew since there’s nothing to do after then anyway.
Those permitted to work will will have to go straight there and back with perhaps a stop in a shop.
Each block of 30-50 households will comprise a Superbubble each with its resident Safety Marshal whose permission must be sort to contact anyone from a different Superbubble.

With that firmly in place what measures could a malign government led by President Tobias Elwood not take ?

179307 ▶▶ RichT, replying to karenovirus, 10, #158 of 1892 🔗

Not a conspiracy theory anymore, there is a conspiracy to take away our freedoms.
No government gives back freedoms willingly.

180259 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to karenovirus, 2, #159 of 1892 🔗

Reference your comment about “Safety Marshals”:

“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?… The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If…if…We didn’t love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation…. We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”

– Solzhenitsyn, “The Gulag Archipelago”

180654 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to RichardJames, #160 of 1892 🔗

Precisely Richard

179045 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 22, #161 of 1892 🔗


I could really feel her anger as I read this; I was pretty angry myself.

This letter should be on the front page of every national newpaper.

179059 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ceriain, 10, #162 of 1892 🔗

Print it off and put it in the letterbox of local GP practises and schools

179065 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to karenovirus, 13, #163 of 1892 🔗

Good idea.

I’m supposed to be seeing my GP at his surgery this week (cancelled by surgery 3 times already).

First stop will be him; I’ll take a copy with me.

179931 ▶▶ JulieR, replying to Ceriain, 3, #164 of 1892 🔗

What made me even more angry is that this GP has written this letter after receiving letters from NHS about his health problems. It is now affecting him personally.
He didn’t write a letter before the restrictions affected him personally.

180171 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to JulieR, 2, #165 of 1892 🔗

I’ll admit I did wonder about that, too, but I was prepared to give the benefit of doubt.

My wife, on the other hand, thinks exactly as you do.

179046 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 4, #166 of 1892 🔗

Re: the opinion poll story.

I’m not really surprised by the figures, given that the majority of respondents probably get their ‘facts’ and figures from the BBC TV news and website.

179058 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Ceriain, 12, #167 of 1892 🔗

Opinion polls are not reliable. Let’s see if/how much they change as unemployment climbs towards ten million.

179066 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Londo Mollari, 6, #168 of 1892 🔗

Agreed about unreliability, but I think/hope attitudes will change dramatically after Bojo/Handjob announce their new shutdown on Monday.

179152 ▶▶▶ Steve, replying to Londo Mollari, 4, #169 of 1892 🔗

I doubt they’ll change. Quite a few people at work seem to have fallen for the govt blame the people strategy. ‘Its everyone’s fault for not following lockdown’, they usually change their tune once I point out a few facts, but I fear the damage is done.

179464 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Steve, 1, #170 of 1892 🔗

We also don’t know how many of these “polls” are rigged. Remember that the government was (allegedly) getting over 90% support in the early days. We’ve come a long way since then.

Just one more push…

179114 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Ceriain, 7, #171 of 1892 🔗

They’re conducted by the usual suspects- YouGov or Ipsos Mori and are never reliable. I’ve long suspected that they’re rigged or outright faked.

The tune will change once unemployment and bankruptcy beckons. As is tax raids on pensions and savings.

179048 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 7, #172 of 1892 🔗

Please Forward to your MPs – It’s better than doing nothing

‘STOP locking-down to control Covid’: Britain’s WHO envoy pleads with world leaders to stop using lockdowns as their ‘primary’ means of tackling virus because it is ‘doubling’ global poverty
Dr Davie Nabarro blasted lockdowns as ‘primary means of controlling Covid-19’
WHO envoy said world poverty would ‘double’ by 2021 as a result of lockdowns
His calls echo growing concerns of scientists who oppose lockdown measures


World Health Organization Tells Leaders To End The Lockdowns


WHO call lockdowns “a catastrophe” -.

179469 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #173 of 1892 🔗

Glad that even the WHO have turned.

179052 Samhurt, 12, #174 of 1892 🔗

A Bedwetter wetting himself over the use of a perfectly descriptive word in a non-literal and surgically-poetically-precise way?

He can go wet himself, he can

179057 HawkAnalyst, replying to HawkAnalyst, 57, #175 of 1892 🔗

Hang in there guys.

Lockdown is disappearing where I live.

I see people going to my neighbours houses all the time.

Masks not in shops

People are now fed up it all.

179085 ▶▶ annie, replying to HawkAnalyst, 19, #176 of 1892 🔗

Sweet words!
We look to the sturdy northerners to kick over the traces. Once mass non-compliance starts, all the Fascists will be able to do is call in the tanks. That will make them look really, really good, won’t it?

179155 ▶▶▶ Moomin, replying to annie, 11, #177 of 1892 🔗

I’m afraid that I live in the north and as a southerner here for years I’ve been called a soft southerner by northerners, yet my experience now where I live is that they are nearly all going along with it with very limited resistance. Sturdiness isn’t a term I’d use given what I’ve seen!

179487 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to annie, 7, #178 of 1892 🔗

I’ll tell you how good it will look, because one of two things will happen.

Firstly, the officer commanding tanks, troops, etc, will query what his rules of engagement are. If none have been given, he will be unable to command his troops to open fire. They are unlikely to even leave their barracks in this scenario.

Secondly, if such rules of engagement have been given, the same officer will weigh up several options. After the events of the past few years, one thing will be at the forefront of his mind: What are the chances at some point in the future, that I and my men will be prosecuted? At this point, they will return to barracks if, indeed, they ever left them at all.

I doubt very much that a single round will be fired. And the government will be left with a lot of egg, shells and all, on their faces.

179915 ▶▶▶▶ David McCluskey, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #179 of 1892 🔗

I take your point but it didn’t work for Jean Charles de Menezes.

180674 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to David McCluskey, 2, #180 of 1892 🔗

The army, unlike the Police, are not trained to regard the public as the enemy.

179937 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #181 of 1892 🔗

Agreed. It’s difficult to be sure of anything nowadays, but I am as sure as I can be that British troops would never fire on British people. It’s not like Tienanmen Square where my understanding is that troops were brought in from other parts of China who wouldn’t feel much affinity with Beijing people.

180088 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #182 of 1892 🔗

The officers would also consider the effect of any such policy on morale. Ordering troops to fire on civilians, their compatriots, and possibly friends, family and neighbours, would be something that would be likely to undermine military discipline.

180667 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #183 of 1892 🔗

There is precedence for this.
During the last days of the Soviet Union the Communist old guard tried to use the army to attack Boris Yeltsin in the Moscow Parliament building.

The Speznatz special forces were ordered to join the attack but they held a vote and decided not to….the rest as they say, is history.

179112 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to HawkAnalyst, 2, #184 of 1892 🔗


179120 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to HawkAnalyst, #185 of 1892 🔗

Are you in a lockdown area ?

179305 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to HawkAnalyst, #186 of 1892 🔗

Which area, please?

179472 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to HawkAnalyst, 2, #187 of 1892 🔗

Yes, and also minimal compliance. Can smell the change coming now. Buy popcorn, enjoy the show.

179061 RyanM, 1, #188 of 1892 🔗

It’s not a tasteless joke… Just a moment of truth. Who knows, maybe he’s beginning to doubt a bit as well?

179063 RyanM, 17, #189 of 1892 🔗

So… I always took “bedwetter” as a term implying that the person was behaving like an infant (as young children were the bed), rather than mockery of incontinence.

179064 Judy Watson, replying to Judy Watson, 19, #190 of 1892 🔗

A missive from Thailand.

Well this country is ‘locked down’ in the sense we don’t have any tourists which is causing severe hardship. An increased rate in suicides and with no money coming in many, many households are in despair.

However, as a nation the Thais can be very inventive and try to find some sort of employment. This week I went to a barbeque that someone has put on to generate a bit of income. There were about 15 of us of many nationalities some standing, some seated – maybe about 6 inches apart. All having drinks and a damn good time, no masks and smoking allowed. No curfew and wandering home at 2 or 3 am. We did have a 10pm curfew when the bars were closed for three months but no curfew now.

On another tack re the hospitals – visitors are encouraged to see any in-patients to help with their personal care. Masks only to be worn.

Please bear in mind that we are under military rule but we have far greater freedom than the UK

179068 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Judy Watson, 1, #191 of 1892 🔗

Is the lack of tourists because Thailand won’t let them in or because we can’t get there ?

179069 ▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to karenovirus, 3, #192 of 1892 🔗

No tourists allowed in unless you are able to meet very draconian measures – mandatory two weeks in a quarantine hotel not allowed out or to mix with others. Plus many other measures to be strictly adhered to. So who would want to come here to spend the first two weeks of a holiday locked up in a hotel regardless of how nice it is?

179072 ▶▶ JoeBlogg, replying to Judy Watson, 4, #193 of 1892 🔗

Where in Thailand are you?

I’m in Phuket and agree the freedom and lack of government intervention is much appreciated, especially reading the comments on here regulary.

The destruction of the economy here is massive!

Xenophobia and a complete lack of understanding leading to increased fear is the slighlty annoying aspect, also seeing so many children in filthy muzzles but without crash helmets and sat at schools behind cling film screens.

Although approx 90% of businesses are shuttered, most of the remaining ones will not require muzzles, with the exception of the malls, 7/11 and family mart etc

179104 ▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to JoeBlogg, 4, #194 of 1892 🔗

Same as you Phuket – where I live I often go into the market, family mart and mom and pop store maskless. Or should that be mask free?

179588 ▶▶▶▶ George Dance, replying to Judy Watson, #195 of 1892 🔗

How do you pronounce “Phuket”? Just curious.

179823 ▶▶▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to George Dance, 1, #196 of 1892 🔗

Poo ket

179911 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ George Dance, replying to Laura Suckling, #197 of 1892 🔗


179067 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 9, #198 of 1892 🔗

Anti lockdown demo fairly reported in Local Live (mirror group news).
Crowd of about 75 played music, banners against lockdown measures “masks are muzzles”, “restore our freedom” and “hey boris leave our rights alone”.
Police were in attendance but did not intervene.

Of more importance than the demo itself, which will have been seen by relatively few, is that it was reported, without negative comment, in the MSM.

179102 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to karenovirus, #199 of 1892 🔗


179121 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, #200 of 1892 🔗


179070 BobT, replying to BobT, 14, #201 of 1892 🔗

I have a theory. I discussed this in the bar yesterday with someone who had worked in medical research and had hands on experience with PCR testing. His opinion on my theory was that I had likely lost my mental balance to suggest such a thing. Nevertheless, I still arrogantly believe that I am mentally stable so I hereby present my theory.

Looking at the published figures from PHE there has been an increase in the positivity rate for PCR tests from 0.5 – 1.0% a few weeks ago to 2.0 – 5% now. It is assumed that this is because the infection is spreading, which could be true, yet it really is not showing up clearly in the numbers of sick or dead people so perhaps there is another reason.

My theory is that molecules (or fragments of dead SARS Cov-2 RNA) are distributed everywhere. Enough people have now had the virus and shed these molecules into the environment through respiration, perspiration, urination and faeces to spread these molecules far and wide.

It is well documented that these molecules are detectable in sewage and surface water even at PCR Ct values of 25-30. Add to this that the old clay pipe or brick tunnel sewage system in the UK is particularly leaky and I think we can assume that the groundwater is equally contaminated.

I have raised the question before about what happens to the lab waste from the testing programmes where the detectable DNA has been amplified more than a trillion times per individual positive test but I have been assured that this waste is disposed of, denatured and safely……

Going back to the known contamination of sewage, surface water and groundwater, add a few gales to stir it all up and add the respired particles in the air and I can see that there are many environmental sources of cross contamination available during the sampling process, the transportation or indeed in the labs which could cause this increase in general positivity of the PCR testing programmes.

179077 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to BobT, 10, #202 of 1892 🔗

Ground contamination.
Youtuber Jordan Houston tested his keyboard, his dog and the pavement. All three came back positive.

‘Proof That We’re Being Lied Too…’ (sic).

179093 ▶▶▶ BobT, replying to karenovirus, 8, #203 of 1892 🔗

I saw that but it comes across as a Youtuber trying to make a drama.
Perhaps, if the one or two thousand commentators here came together and submitted samples from the general environment, verified by serious witnesses, like lawyers or doctors who would put their names to it we could find out if this really is or is not a problem which distorts the PCR positive results and hence all the other statistics which follow.

179099 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to BobT, 2, #204 of 1892 🔗

He’s young and making a drama is what their audiences like.

179101 ▶▶▶▶▶ BobT, replying to karenovirus, 3, #205 of 1892 🔗

I am not knocking him…its great stuff.

179313 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to karenovirus, 1, #206 of 1892 🔗

His keyboard didn’t catch covid.

179079 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to BobT, 2, #207 of 1892 🔗

Heretic, burn him

179092 ▶▶ Nsklent, replying to BobT, 4, #208 of 1892 🔗

And then the millions of masks being dumped.

179095 ▶▶▶ BobT, replying to Nsklent, #209 of 1892 🔗


179108 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to BobT, 18, #210 of 1892 🔗

How many tests will it take till they know
that too many politicians have lied
and how many lockdowns will it take
before all the people have died
and how much liberty can one nation lose
before open resistance is tried?
this virus my friend is blowing in the wind
this virus is blowing in the wind

This hoo-haa has exposed the terrible inability of our ‘non scientifically educated’ politicians to manage a situation with a significant scientific element. They have been continually overwhelmed and over-awed and in thrall to the science. They have fallen into the trap of running this mess on test results, at best testing is just part of the information you should use to determine public health policy. And as we know the PCR test falls a long way short of ‘at best’.

Matt Hancock is a third rate manger and has fallen into every managerial pitfall in the poor managers handbook. He should be looking beyond test results and look at what is happening (or rather what is not happening) and have the courage and conviction to formulate an appropriate policy. But he is weak and has opted for a sort of scientific domination policy and has happily submitted to bondage and flagellation by the scientists and dragged the country along with him.

179124 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Martindale, 9, #211 of 1892 🔗

Once again it’s because they do PPE at university then straight into politics with no idea how the world works.

179520 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to karenovirus, 7, #212 of 1892 🔗

Be fair, he did work at the family firm for a little while. Surefire mark of a failure. I suspect he was sent for long stands, left-handed screwdrivers, and tartan paint on a fairly regular basis.

179540 ▶▶▶▶ Gavroche, replying to karenovirus, 3, #213 of 1892 🔗

I can see why the PPE thing seems like a persuasive explanation. The problem is, though, that it doesn’t explain the role of all those who are highly trained in STEM who have been pushing the lockdown agenda – Ferguson, Whitty, Vallance, Van Tam, Edmunds, SAGE, iSAGE and on and on. All with PhDs and years of experience in STEM. All apparently unable or unwilling to interrogate data critically or consider the issues raised by Covid in anything other than a one-dimensional way. I’m a Humanities graduate and PhD and was genuinely shocked by the amount of unquestioned assumptions, unproven assertions, confusion of causation and correlation, and general question begging to be found in every one of the iSAGE Reports I’ve read. Not that I’ve anything against STEM, btw, but it isn’t a panacea, sadly.

179516 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #214 of 1892 🔗

Matt Hancock is no manger. He’s an insult to third-rate managers too.

179800 ▶▶ djaustin, replying to BobT, -4, #215 of 1892 🔗

yet it really is not showing up clearly in the numbers of sick or dead people

it will – admissions follow cases with a lag of about a week. Deaths follow admissions with a lag also of about a week.

180516 ▶▶ Nick, replying to BobT, 1, #216 of 1892 🔗

Unlikely. RNA does not survive long in the environment.

179074 Eddie, replying to Eddie, 7, #217 of 1892 🔗

That new Bob creation is a masterpiece!! I just bellowed with laughter and spilt my nighty night milk

179091 ▶▶ annie, replying to Eddie, 13, #218 of 1892 🔗

It,s great. Also true. Covid us now a religion. They practise it in my church.

179503 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to annie, 5, #219 of 1892 🔗

Yes, most Christians and many Muslims appear to have converted to the Covid cult. It’s interesting to see that some Orthodox Jews are not having any of it. Our Evangelical Christian brother and his friends aren’t either. Sadly his twin is a True Believer. MW

179600 ▶▶▶▶ George Dance, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 3, #220 of 1892 🔗

Now, that’s a good substitute term for “bedwetter” – “Covid cultist.”

179135 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Eddie, 4, #221 of 1892 🔗

It is and I loved the depiction of Whitty.

179078 Cecil B, 19, #223 of 1892 🔗

Ian ‘ Boss, just a quick call to let you know I’ll be back in work on the 1st

Boss ‘ Ian, good to hear from you. Great news is that the government is not forcing us to close down’

Ian ‘Good, good’

Boss ‘ The only thing is, under social distancing rules we can only have four in the office instead of twenty’

Ian ‘ Are you sacking me’

Boss ‘ Of course not, you will remain on furlough until a vaccine is available’

Ian ‘Who’s going to pay me?’

Boss ‘ Who’s been paying you up to now ‘

Ian ‘ The Chancellor’

Boss ‘ Give him a ring’

Ian ‘ Can I speak to Olga in HR’

Boss ‘No’

Ian ‘Why not ‘

Boss ‘Cos we fucked her off last month, after all who needs HR’

Phone goes dead


Despite his best efforts Ian and his family starved to death in late Spring 2022

179086 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 34, #224 of 1892 🔗

I have obtained a leaked copy of Monday’s statement

‘This is an unworkable crock of shit, so we are dumping it all on local authorities ‘

179094 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, 3, #225 of 1892 🔗

That’s been the plan for a while but the dirty work is not done by the elected members rather by local government officials.

179146 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to karenovirus, 2, #226 of 1892 🔗

The general public has done the heavy lifting.

179973 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Cecil B, #227 of 1892 🔗

If they give local authorities some funding, then I am all for it actually.
Westminster is such an entity, they haven’t got a clue. I voted against regional parliaments, but am now in favour. I come from Germany, where are regional governments, which is leading to chaos at the moment, especially if you have to travel between countries, as they might have different rules, but in general they can better manage their local needs.

179087 Censored Dog, replying to Censored Dog, 4, #228 of 1892 🔗

Brilliant piece in the Telegraph from Prof Livermore, another scientist on our side


179089 ▶▶ annie, replying to Censored Dog, 2, #229 of 1892 🔗

Could you summarise for the benefit of the paywalled?

179090 Censored Dog, replying to Censored Dog, 8, #230 of 1892 🔗

Very significant comment piece in the Telegraph, basically declaring war on lockdowns:

179098 ▶▶ annie, replying to Censored Dog, 2, #231 of 1892 🔗

So is there a strategy? What is it?

179533 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Censored Dog, 5, #232 of 1892 🔗

The Press must now encourage more people to outright mass civil disobedience. The time is now come.

179097 nat, replying to nat, 6, #233 of 1892 🔗

A court in Madrid has rejected new lockdown laws imposed on the Spanish capital by the government. Hope for us all ?


179103 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to nat, 1, #234 of 1892 🔗

Spanish Government superseded the court by declaring a state of emergency.

179107 ▶▶▶ nat, replying to karenovirus, 2, #235 of 1892 🔗

I didn’t know that. what a shame. still we mustn’t stop trying.

179126 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to nat, 2, #236 of 1892 🔗

At least their Courts are trying, like ours.

179106 helen, #237 of 1892 🔗
179110 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, #238 of 1892 🔗

Personally, I think no need for insults.

179115 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Tim Bidie, 14, #239 of 1892 🔗

Does that mean I have to stop calling them cunts

P.S How does one address people who lock up your children and grandchildren?

179118 ▶▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to Cecil B, 2, #240 of 1892 🔗

Commandant Daniel Andrews!

179127 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, #241 of 1892 🔗

See Biker above

179136 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Cecil B, 4, #242 of 1892 🔗

I prefer a really personal and cutting insult eg. Bedwetting teacher = Nazi Youth leader etc

179141 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 7, #243 of 1892 🔗

On reflection. How about

Lying, murderous, thieving, slimy, bedwetting, cunts

179145 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Cecil B, 1, #244 of 1892 🔗

Nice one Cecil. Leave the civilities to Mr H – we know what they are.

179618 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Cecil B, 1, #245 of 1892 🔗

As a specific, addressed to someone who clearly is one, apposite….

As a noun of multitude, arguably less effective….but, although personally disinclined, I am always delighted for others to demonstrate asperity, ‘the feist’ in them……

You should do as you please. After all, it’s a free country….Oh! Hang on……

179653 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Cecil B, 1, #246 of 1892 🔗

Regarding how to address people who lock up your family…..far better not….

Actions speak louder than words……

179119 Mark H, replying to Mark H, 73, #247 of 1892 🔗

A lockdown protest was organised in Edinburgh yesterday, outside Holyrood. I only heard about it through a friend, roughly 2 hours before it was due to start. I contacted my oldest son, and he and I ventured east to attend.

We travelled by train. I had my mask exception lanyard in my pocket. He had neither a lanyard nor a mask, but he found a cloth in the glove compartment of my car, and said he’d take that.

Anyway, the train station was completely, and I mean, completely deserted. The train from Edinburgh to Glasgow Queen street had maybe 2 people per carriage. At 11.25am on a Saturday, this train would normally be standing room only. Our train to Edinburgh was similarly empty. We sat at a table for 4 across from a young woman who was maskless, but eating her lunch. When we got up to disembark at Waverley, she asked if we were going to Holyrood. She told us she’d been to the protest in Trafalgar Square and still had bruises on her back from police batons.

My son and I met up with a friend of mine, and his girlfriend, and the 4 of us, plus my dog, walked towards Holyrood. At some points en route the pavement was fairly narrow and we witnessed people in their 20s turn to face the buildings as we walked past them. Many, many people were strolling the pavements wearing masks.

The protest itself was modest, maybe around 300 people, and I counted 11 or 12 police officers in attendance. A group of 4 wore blue tabards marked “Community Liaison” and they wandered through the throngs, wearing masks, and chatted with a few protestors. At the pond outside Holyrood the ice dumped there by the city’s bar owners lay in a lump, slowly melting.

Just before the speakers started, my son and I took a wander around the periphery as I wanted to scope out where the police were. We found a group of 3 officers, masked up, at the fringe. One wore the embroidered peaked cap of a commander. His body language suggested he was dying to get stuck in, which I found bizarre.

We stood here for a while, listening to the speakers. Everyday pedestrians wandered along the fringe of the protest site wearing masks, while the protesters gathered 50 yards away, all unmasked. One passerby waking a chihuahua stopped to allow his dog to meet mine. We chatted briefly about the dogs, then he asked what was going on with the protestors. I told him they were protesting against the lockdown. He said, “oh.”. Then quickly ushered himself and his dog away.

After an hour or so, we decided to head back to the station. We were hungry so when we spotted an open cafe with seats outside, we decided to get a sandwich and a coffee. I gestured to the masked man behind the counter to the seats outside and he shook his head, no outside table service. My son offered to go in and join the queue to get takeaway. A few minutes later he came back out, you had to scan a QR code even if you were taking the food to go.

Back at Waverley Station, we got food from Pret, and sat at our platform to eat while we waited for our return train. We were the only unmasked people, as far as I could see. No one challenged us at any point, despite the continual tannoy announcements to wear a face covering and the large concourse posters stating “Cover Your Face”.

The whole experience, for me, showed how much of an up hill struggle we have on our hands. Compliance everywhere. Shuttered shops everywhere. Saturday shopper commuter trains deserted. Apart from the 300 or so people who gathered outside the Scottish parliament, zero resistance.

179131 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Mark H, 22, #248 of 1892 🔗

Thanks for a good report, at least the Police behaved themselves this time.
The cafe that would not serve you outside clearly wants to go out of business.

179161 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Mark H, 16, #249 of 1892 🔗

Agree. I was there too. It sickened me yesterday seeing young children under 11 wearing masks, my OH made a good point that they are copying their parents.

There were people in town yesterday and I almost admired them for going out and eating, they are imo now wearing masks as they feel it is a small inconvenience to them.

Angers me that shops and restaurants have posters saying ‘no mask, no service’!!

I saw one chap standing outside a hotel smoking with his mask pulled down on his chin, I assumed as it is to be worn inside the hotel.

This is not going away now, masks are here forever.

I think we need an act of God to distract the masses give them something real to panic about.

179194 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to stefarm, 11, #250 of 1892 🔗

Mass outbreak of impetigo and bronchitis.

179332 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Mark H, 3, #251 of 1892 🔗

WOW. We are mega-fucked.

180940 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Two-Six, 1, #252 of 1892 🔗

I have a small group of friends, most are retired professionals. All bar one of them have bought heavily into the official narrative. We normally all meet up in the pub on Sunday lunch, but today three of them couldn’t make it due to their track and trace apps imposing ten days quarantine. Another decided against coming out, as it would be “just too risky”. When will they ever learn, never it seems.

179362 ▶▶ TyLean, replying to Mark H, 1, #253 of 1892 🔗

I’d have gone to that if I’d known about it! Would have needed more than 2 hours notice, as it’s 5 hours to Holyrood from here.

180965 ▶▶ Ben Pattinson, replying to Mark H, 1, #254 of 1892 🔗

You paint a depressing picture, but good on you both for attending. Perhaps all the mask wearers will prentend they were resistance once the madness has ended.

181154 ▶▶ Ed Turnbull, replying to Mark H, 1, #255 of 1892 🔗

I’d no idea this protest was taking place, and I’m disappointed to have missed it. My mobility is currently limited due to a torn cruciate ligament, but I’d have happily limped the mile from my house to Holyrood to join the throng.

Here’s a suggestion: for the admins of this site: create a section publicising any upcoming protests. The MSM rarely announce such things, preferring instead to advertise XR and BLM ‘events’.

179122 Biker, 18, #256 of 1892 🔗

Just ignore all their pish and go about your day.

179125 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 26, #257 of 1892 🔗

Very spot on cartoon from Bob and great updates today and yesterday. We need more Jessicas and that GP to speak out especially as the BMA are prepared to throw the public under the bus yet again.

Yesterday was World Mental Health day and I noticed that the usual suspects on antisocial media were sprouting the usual cliches and crocodile tears about not being alone and calling on for support. Yet there was no-one who would acknowledge that lockdown, social distancing and masks have been responsible for a spike in mental health cases, those who are not getting the treatment they need and worst of all an increase in self harm and suicides.

The mental health charities especially have been a disgrace and cowardly all throughout this crisis.

A plague on all their houses and they deserve to go bust.

179129 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Bart Simpson, 9, #258 of 1892 🔗

They are speaking up but aren’t being heard.


Like with the Amnesty report, MSM just aren’t interested.

179137 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Tom Blackburn, 6, #259 of 1892 🔗

Good on them but why are they not publicising that on their antisocial media accounts? It was all meaningless platitudes and crocodile tears yesterday.

179142 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #260 of 1892 🔗

Agree. Always the same, particular from celebs who for the other 364 days a year promote unhealthy attitudes and excess.

179181 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Tom Blackburn, 10, #261 of 1892 🔗

Its only been Denise Welch to my knowledge who has been vocal about the effects of lockdown on mental health. The Cambridges to a lesser extent as they could not be seen as attacking government policy.

The rest is just tumbleweed.

179163 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #262 of 1892 🔗

Are Jessica and the GP getting any exposure other than here ?

179170 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to karenovirus, #263 of 1892 🔗

Unfortunately I think not.

179179 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #264 of 1892 🔗

From three frontline mental health workers 2 months ago.

1. Senior psychologist whose management insist all face to face encounters now be mask to mask.
2. MH nurse who clients have regressed because of 3 months isolation having been turned out of the residential unit at start of lockdown
3. MH nurse whose caseload has been hugely increased with people newly pushed into depression by lockdown measures

179191 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to karenovirus, 3, #265 of 1892 🔗

These should also be publicised. It would be interesting what the suicide rates are like now.

179190 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Bart Simpson, 18, #266 of 1892 🔗

100% agree about WMHD. It left a really nasty taste in the mouth. I’ve lost count of the number of therapists I’ve seen over the years, the number of days lost to lowered productivity due to panic attacks, depression etc., and lockdown has threatened to push me over the edge on some days. Seeing virtue-signalling rubbish like that yesterday which ignores the MAIN cause of poor mental health this year was just too much. Disgraceful. All the restrictions are literally precisely the opposite of what you’d tell someone with poor mental health to do.

The bottom line is, if mental health mattered, there wouldn’t have been a lockdown at all. Simple.

179195 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Poppy, 5, #267 of 1892 🔗

Exactly. I made the mistake of looking at my Arsebook newsfeed yesterday and I was just sickened at the posts. Some were well meaning but they were from people who I know are lockdown zealots so I know that it would be pointless to call them out on their contradictory stance.

This crisis has shown many people for who they truly are and that they are happy to throw lives under the bus under the guise of “safety.”

179128 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 24, #268 of 1892 🔗

I don’t like the term ‘bedwetter’ because, for me, it has connotations with frightened children. And the mask zealots do not, in the main, appear to be frightened.

The usual caveats apply: I have absolutely no problem with the elderly wearing masks because they are genuinely fearful for their lives. But I think, in reality and from what I have seen, most just wear them because they don’t want someone laying into them if they don’t (Nigel Baldwin, formerly of this parish, said quite pertinently, words to the effect that he “bruises easily these days” and I think that is a factor).

My real disdain is for those who could quite easily refuse to wear the mask but continue to do so because it’s the easy way out or, because, like the hideous women in my shop recently, relish the prospect of laying into someone they perceive to be unable to speak back (though, in both instances, I put them right on that score!).

179164 ▶▶ TJN, replying to kh1485, 10, #269 of 1892 🔗

Tagging on KH’s post, as I share the sentiments.

I don’t like the term ‘bedwetter’. It appears gratuitously insulting, and to what end? Just to make people like us feel better about ourselves? Well that’s useful sometimes, but doesn’t get us very far.

A little while ago I directed a scientifically minded friend of mine to this site, and he was especially put off by the term. I countered that it was not as bad as some of the insults directed at us sceptics (‘granny killers’ etc.) … But you don’t win arguments by insulting people on the other side of the debate, especially if they are even a little bit willing to be open minded.

Don’t get me wrong, my frustrations with the people pushing this shitshow and the compliant maskoids (perfectly acceptable imo) often get the better of me. But if we are going to be pejorative about the other side then our goading should have some wit and precision. And the bedwetter term has long since ceased to possess any wit, and I’m not sure ever had any precision.

179189 ▶▶▶ Shep, replying to TJN, 5, #270 of 1892 🔗

agreed, always play the ball, not the man.

179169 ▶▶ GLT, replying to kh1485, 9, #271 of 1892 🔗

I posted above…I agree with you KH. I prefer the term ‘zealot’ as it conveys the fanaticism and lack of rationality.

179187 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 17, #272 of 1892 🔗

Agree. I tend to use the words “zealots” or “lockdownistas”

And well said about this:

My real disdain is for those who could quite easily refuse to wear the mask but continue to do so because it’s the easy way out or, because, like the hideous women in my shop recently, relish the prospect of laying into someone they perceive to be unable to speak back (though, in both instances, I put them right on that score!).

I’ve had run ins with the latter and its always women. They seem to relish the ability to bully and I’ve always stood by that as I suspect that had I been a 6 foot tall bloke built like Arnold Schwarzenegger or heaven forbid a black person, those women would not have had the guts to question me as to why I wasn’t muzzled.

And I say this as a woman. All this guff about sisterhood and women supporting other women are all lies and poppycock.

179198 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, 13, #273 of 1892 🔗

Oh, you’re so right Bart. A certain *type* of woman. Middle-aged, probably hugely dissatisfied with life but enjoying their day in the sun right now, having a go at other women.

Funnily enough, the second woman who had a go at me last week was all over my male business partner like a rash (he also does not wear a mask). But because she obviously thought I was ‘staff’ and wouldn’t retaliate, she thought it was acceptable to stick the boot in. Promptly disabused her of that notion!

179206 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 22, #274 of 1892 🔗

The first woman who had a go at me was treated to the full force of my tongue so much so that her husband had to get her to keep quiet. She folded up after I told her to “fuck off”

Obviously didn’t expect a woman of East Asian ancestry to swear at her like that.

180184 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to kh1485, 1, #275 of 1892 🔗

That’s why they get called “Karens”. I wish there was a better name, but this name has stuck, for better or worse. Sorry to the actual Karens out there.

180644 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to kh1485, 1, #276 of 1892 🔗

I met some of those in school.The mean-minded, talentless, envious, sneaking, rat-faced, vicious bully who has to have a victim to torment, and makes sure that the cowards in the class (virtually everyone except the victim) back her up, for fear of becoming her next target. They obviously don’t change as they grow older.

180703 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, #277 of 1892 🔗

Wow, I’m glad I went to an all boys school. Bullying wasn’t tolerated, nobody wanted to be friends with a bully in case it was their turn next.

179457 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #278 of 1892 🔗

Agreed. Men, in general, won’t tell women off, they want a peaceful life. Women seem to see themselves as guardians of the public space. Having said that, I’ve really only had evil frowns which, over the nappy-nose, just looks funny. And I go from Miss Marple to Don Corleone in a heartbeat if needed.

181181 ▶▶▶ Ed Turnbull, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #279 of 1892 🔗

Your point about the selective bullying by the zealots is spot on. My wife (middle-aged blonde lady) has been bullied several times for not wearing the muzzle, whereas I (grizzled beardy biker, usually sporting a Harley-Davidson or Gadsden flag T-shirt and a facial expression that promises the wrath of Beelzebub) have not. And I’m nowhere near the size of Mr Schwarzenegger.

179382 ▶▶ TyLean, replying to kh1485, 8, #280 of 1892 🔗

I use to make the same argument about the word “libtard,” because I was a liberal, and that word got in the way of open discussion and debate…….. BUT……. as soon as I realised I really was playing for the wrong side and these people are – indeed – libtards, the word didn’t bother me anymore. I was a libtard. I accept that. Many, many, many still are.

If you censor yourself, they win. If you seek to censor others, they double win. Censorship is the game here. Don’t lose sight of that. No one who is offended by the term bedwetter as to refuse to listen or read any longer is no loss. They aren’t ready (at least not yet) to accept that they are – by extension – bedwetters.

Edit: I’d like to add that I’ve tried both ways with bedwetters and libtards….. IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE IF YOU OFFEND THEM OR NOT! They are ideologically possessed, and you can’t force them to see anything. They must see it for theirselves, and a single word: bedwetter, libtard, piece of shit, whatever, is not going to make any difference. If you still think rational debate exists, then you clearly haven’t been paying attention. You can’t debate rationally with a fucking zombie.

179905 ▶▶▶ Samhurt, replying to TyLean, 2, #281 of 1892 🔗

Suddenly you’re a rare breed around here, Ty. Isn’t it amazing how fast the germ of censorship spreads? People muzzling themselves by choice, using the same old typical and terrible excuses (inclusion, sensitivity, etc). What makes them different from the lemmings we scoff at? Are truth and irony to be subordinated to political correctness yet again?

I agree with everything you wrote, coming from a similar ideological background myself. The Bedwetter Gene is real. Prudery runs in the blood. They can’t see that they are the ones wetting themselves – offence-taking is a powerful intoxicant. Capitulation to the neurotic mob is, too.

Sad day for this website. I know it’s a ‘little’ thing but it’s really really not.

180159 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Samhurt, 1, #282 of 1892 🔗

Er … I didn’t take offence. All I said is that I wouldn’t use the term myself.

180207 ▶▶▶▶▶ Samhurt, replying to kh1485, 1, #283 of 1892 🔗

I didn’t say you did, that’s dishonest. But you’re genuflecting anyway to the prudes amongst us by making a point about abstaining from the use of the b-word (peace be upon it), which I find rather… limp.

I will say I’m getting over taking roughly the hypocrisy of allies in this ‘freedom’ struggle; everyone, almost everyone is basically the same inside. I’ve seen it in my local activism group. There is a widespread need to be ruled, to be liked, to be thought fondly of, etc. I think truth is more important, as is mirth, as is provocation; I don’t believe coddling neurotic tremblers is conditional for “victory” – in fact, it demeans the struggle.

I don’t believe in coddling anyone, for that matter, not good friends, not enemies of freedom. If you don’t reject language control you enable it by being passive. “Oh, I wouldn’t say THAT” is just another way of saying “don’t target me, I’m good, I’m a team player.” It’s exactly that sort of kneeling to popular opinion that our enemies employ to keep their subjects in check.

Good to see we’re just as up on our herd mentality when it comes to the “basics.”

Oh, but it’s just a word! We get it, Samhurt, we get it. Stop complaining, etc.

180706 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to TyLean, 1, #284 of 1892 🔗

Excellent summary TyLean 🌝

180624 ▶▶ annie, replying to kh1485, 2, #285 of 1892 🔗

I don’t think the mask zealots are the same people as the bedwetters, though I’m sure there’s an overlap. True bedwetters are those who have not left their houses since last February, and won’t until every single person in the country has been trussed, sanitised, quarantined, vaccinated and sterilised.
And masked, of course.

180695 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, #286 of 1892 🔗

Those people still indoors will hsve damaged immune systems and poor general health thus rendering themselves more prone to infection, twats. 🤮

179134 alw, replying to alw, 13, #287 of 1892 🔗

Those of us who live in the Socialist paradise of Camden have known this for for the past two weeks or so. This closure of paediatric A&E depts for two major hospitals serving most of the London Borough of Camden with only the Whittington hospital now available is wholly unacceptable. The Government is killing the country. They are our servants and we need to remove them without delay.


179159 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to alw, #288 of 1892 🔗

The Whittington was my local growing up, only went there once when the Cottage Hospital screwed up my tonsilectomy. Is it still a decrepit rabbit Warren?
They closed Whipps Cross as well I read.

179370 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to alw, 5, #289 of 1892 🔗

It’s almost like they want parents to sue them isn’t it. The NHS paid out £2.4 BILLION in negligence claims last year. Maybe they’ve figured out its easier to do this than actually take care of people?

179139 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 11, #290 of 1892 🔗


I don’t like censorship. And I don’t like harmful language. If you feel it’s ok to say, then say it. I hope we individually can broadly consider how what we say affects how people feel. And how people feel can have personal consequences.

So in summary, language is important but we all have personal responsibility for what we do and the risks we take. A bit like mask wearing!

179143 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #291 of 1892 🔗

To add, I do agree the term divides. It’s not what we’re really trying to do is it. Unless we want to be a small band of people that hate lockdown etc

179150 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Country Mumkin, 6, #292 of 1892 🔗

Small but growing band of people that hate lockdown. Let’s be honest in years to come, everyone will be drinking in pubs gloating how they weren’t a bedwetter.

179227 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #293 of 1892 🔗

True. Wearing our non-bed wetter badge with pride.

179200 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to Country Mumkin, 10, #294 of 1892 🔗

Well, this place serves two functions and they’re mutually contradictory, to an extent. It is certainly a place with a very useful collection of relevant facts, updated daily which help to dismantle the pro-lockdown argument. My guess is that mostly, this repository is used by those of us who are anti-lockdown and want our old normal back, to keep ourselves informed and to help in conversations we have in the real world. Sometimes, people might come here who are on the verge of changing their minds (though in my experience, people are put off at least as much by the fact that the hood is Toby’s – sorry Toby – as by anything that they find when they get here). To this extent, “bedwetters” is unhelpful and yes, probably puts some people off.

But it’s also a place where people who are like-minded (at least somewhat) can go to discuss things and let off steam. There are very few places where this can happen. For this function “bedwetters” is actually useful, because gratuitous insults can help when you’re being driven out of your mind with frustration by the behaviour of other people.

I don’t really use it myself, but that’s probably mostly because it’s the behaviour of the government, officials and advisors that really drives me up the wall, not the behaviour of their compliant hostages in the general population (though I find that depressing too)

179225 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to matt, 2, #295 of 1892 🔗

Agree with all that.

179149 ▶▶ helen, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #296 of 1892 🔗

me neither. I just had 2 posts removed from here this morning.. still hoping the toned down version stays up. Could have been to do with a very frightening image of the old man himself

179220 ▶▶▶ helen, replying to helen, 1, #297 of 1892 🔗

Well the toned down comment has also been removed. Comments mentioning the old man CEO of the WEF must be taboo.

I am about to try again for the 3rd time

179221 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to helen, 1, #298 of 1892 🔗

I have never heard of posts being removed. Posts with multiple links sometimes get stuck awaiting moderation – probably more anti-spam than censorship.

179239 ▶▶▶▶ helen, replying to Julian, #299 of 1892 🔗

Yes, its very odd
I had to reregister about one week ago so I am back in the awaiting approval phase again.

Firstly a very large image that I posted so I could understand that being removed but the separate comment about the picture was also removed.
Secondly I reposted that comment which contained 2 links sometime later and its also gone.
in total 3 comments gone all about WEF CEO
Just about to try again

179140 alw, replying to alw, 7, #300 of 1892 🔗

Had a great and lively night out at a local restaurant last night, just like things were before the lockdown. Long may it last. However many entering with face masks which are not a legal requirement but thankfully not logging into the NHS contact tracing app. Could Lockdown Sceptics create a downloadable sheet which can be handed to pubs, restaurants and customers saying these are not a legal requirement? Will happily make a donation to Lockdown Sceptics for this service. People don’t know the law in this area, but to make this knowledge available will surely help to bring this madness down.

179147 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to alw, 1, #301 of 1892 🔗

I thought it was law but I am now in a local lockdown area so might be wrong.

179205 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to Tom Blackburn, #302 of 1892 🔗

Still applies.

179172 ▶▶ GLT, replying to alw, 2, #303 of 1892 🔗

Laworfiction.com already have some downloadable sheets.

179204 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to GLT, #304 of 1892 🔗

I know, but something needed on 1 page of A4.

179144 Viv Fletcher, replying to Viv Fletcher, 6, #305 of 1892 🔗

Your article in this morning’s email regarding The Great Barrington Declaration being “cancelled” by Google shows how even you have been brainwashed. Google is not the only search engine available. For some time now, I have used Duckduckgo and this engine shows the declaration near the top of the list. Admittedly, there are other links – one particularly to something called Mother Jones. – there are others.

There are other search engines available and the more they are used, the laess influence Google will have.

179184 ▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to Viv Fletcher, 12, #306 of 1892 🔗

Yes, but most people don’t know there are other search engines. That’s why it matters

179510 ▶▶ Staincliffe, replying to Viv Fletcher, 1, #307 of 1892 🔗

On a similar theme, is the Guardian censoring lockdown sceptical comments? On Friday I had two comments removed by their moderators. Both were calm and factual, I took extra care with second one after the removal of the first. Anyone else had a similar experience?

180056 ▶▶▶ H K, replying to Staincliffe, 2, #308 of 1892 🔗

It’s not just the Guardian. Many online articles are deleting comments that are challenging the official narrative and in more and more case they are completely disabling the comments section!

180062 ▶▶ H K, replying to Viv Fletcher, 1, #309 of 1892 🔗

There needs to be a mainstream movement/campaign to get people on to rival web browsers and search engines that aren’t actively censoring/manipulating results and respecting privacy. I use Firefox with various privacy add-ons (I hear Brave is better?) and duckduckgo.com as a search engine.

180212 ▶▶ Polemon2, replying to Viv Fletcher, 2, #310 of 1892 🔗

OK, just Googled it. Back on the list at the top.

179151 Tuppence Worth, replying to Tuppence Worth, 6, #311 of 1892 🔗

Re “bedwetters”…

How about braindead morons?

182130 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Tuppence Worth, #312 of 1892 🔗

I tend to use ‘hysterics’ because they have been incited into hysteria over something that is unlikely to happen and yet are blasé about illnesses like cancer/heart disease etc for which they will NOT receive treatment.

179157 Tuppence Worth, replying to Tuppence Worth, 3, #313 of 1892 🔗

Perhaps”moron” is a little strong, but for those that do not look at the evidence… “Brain dead” is very appropriate.

But getting back to bedwetter, does this not describe someone who takes pride in their own ignorance, and isn’t that therefore… appropriate?

179274 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Tuppence Worth, 2, #314 of 1892 🔗

But that term may offend people who have had relatives die by a stroke. there’s no winning. My father died because of a stroke. I’m not offended, but somebody always will be.

179158 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 4, #315 of 1892 🔗

Average age of Covid victims is 82.4?

Years to go before I croak.

179203 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Stuart, 11, #316 of 1892 🔗

It has occurred to me that since I am only a little over half way through that span it might be best to abandon my pretty healthy lifestyle and commit to eating, drinking and smoking myself into an earlier grave. This way I might just avoid fading to death alone, afraid and confused in a no-care home and find at least some enjoyment in indulgence in the mean time. There doesn’t seem to be much else on offer any more.

179228 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #317 of 1892 🔗

I was supposed to die in my twenties so adopted your early grave strategy from the off and which is why the Covid doesn’t bother me.

Here I still am in my mid sixties though I have cut back a bit and I’ve always eaten healthily but only because I like it.

180006 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #318 of 1892 🔗

My family seems to have good genes, my grandfather was 86, my grandmother 96, but spent her last 10 years in a care home after she broke her leg. Mentally all there, but lost her eyesight and hearing, so the last few years sat around staring at the wall, begging us for 2 years to let her die. Consequently my father, just turned 80, does not give a damn if he gets covid, and has signed a DNR.
I have no plans to even get to 80, as well as I do not expect to have a good pension. I have resolved to spend my retirement savings pot now and enjoy life while I can.

179208 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Stuart, 3, #319 of 1892 🔗

Whilst the global median lifespan is 79.

179165 chaos, replying to chaos, 23, #320 of 1892 🔗

We are in a coup.
Stanley worked for John D Rockefeller, Carrie Symonds works for Oceana, part funded by the Rockefeller Brothers Fund which has two Rockefellers on the board. Keir Starmer sits on the Trilateral Commission, founded by David Rockefeller.
Not all the MP’s know about the coup.. they have bought into the madness like the sheeple masses and they have been largely sidelined. You need to write to them. A mandatory vaccine is coming. Will it be a placebo and just the necessary means to the digital ID? Or will it harm us? Sterilise and lessen life or kill?
Tin foil hat? Perhaps the odd detail. Either way. We are in a coup. We are in a lockstep Davos coup. We are in a coup.

179171 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to chaos, 12, #321 of 1892 🔗

I expect most MPs know about it but have been promised a seat at the party.
Useful idiots will get chucked under the bus as soon as their votes have been harvested.

179185 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to karenovirus, 4, #322 of 1892 🔗

If they knew about it they wouldn’t ride roughshod over parliament. To fake a moonlanding or mount a coup.. only certain people at the front need to know.

179456 ▶▶ fran, replying to chaos, 6, #323 of 1892 🔗

Spot on Chaos … item here from a organisation called the Commons Project which is funded by Rockefeller & Clinton developing 3 apps for your smartphone:

[quote] …. ‘The CommonsProject is a nonprofit public trust established with support from the Rockefeller Foundation to build platforms and services which will tightly regulate your post-covid life. The initiative is part of the World Economic Forum implementing The Great Reset agenda.’

I have never been more relieved about my decision not to have a smartphone.

179626 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to chaos, 7, #324 of 1892 🔗

Agree – did you see my post very late last night, about Stanley Johnson having written books on population control and also a novel (many years ago) called’ The Virus’, the plot of which is all too familiar? You could not make it up!

179166 Toby Lewis, replying to Toby Lewis, 5, #325 of 1892 🔗

Dropping the bedwetters term seems to be a bit overly PC but as one wants to appeal to the widest audience perhaps “Henny Pennys” would be a good alternative https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henny_Penny

179168 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Toby Lewis, 5, #326 of 1892 🔗

If we absolutely must choose another term, I’d like it to to be equally as infantile, just as cutting but with reference to mass murder. Does such an insult exist?

179270 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #327 of 1892 🔗

Hannibals? To be honest, whatever term we use, somebody will be offended. I wouldn’t have chosen the term bedwetter but let’s face it – insults offend. “Nervous ninnie” or some such would risk offending somebody with an anxiety condition, and on and on it goes until we are the very latest edition of the Newspeak dictionary.

179211 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Toby Lewis, 4, #328 of 1892 🔗

Maybe call them Dandelions….. From the french nickname

179167 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #329 of 1892 🔗

Bedwetters are only confident in their domains. Take them out of their zones of comfort and they flounder.

179869 ▶▶ Samhurt, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #330 of 1892 🔗

They seem to be pretty confident on this website, though, Tom.

What a shitty development in a sea of constant shit. It may be a little thing but it’s really not.

COVID Marshals, meet Sceptical Community Outreach Commissars

179173 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 8, #331 of 1892 🔗

The collaborators at UK Border Force now require you to complete a long nanny state form before you are allowed to return to the country. No form=Exile

Exempt from completing the form are employees of the BBC and The National Lottery

This virus is so clever it now knows your occupation

179286 ▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Cecil B, 2, #332 of 1892 🔗

Not quite sure where you get that from. The official guidance exempts only the following from filling in the “passenger locator form”

  • Members of diplomatic missions and consular posts in the UK, officers, servants or representatives of international organisations, representatives at an international or UK conference granted privileges and immunities, and their families or dependents.
  • Representatives of a foreign country or territory and representatives of the British overseas territories, along with their families or dependents travelling to the UK to undertake official business with the UK.
  • Defence personnel, visiting forces and government contractors who the Ministry of Defence has confirmed are required to deliver essential defence activities.
  • UK officials and contractors required to work on essential border security duties. Non-UK officials and contractors required to work on essential border security duties.
  • Operational, rail maintenance, security and safety workers working on the Channel Tunnel system; Eurotunnel train drivers and crew, Eurotunnel Shuttle drivers, freight train drivers, crew and essential cross-border rail freight workers operating through the Channel Tunnel travelling in a part of the train that is not accessible to passengers or (in the case of freight trains) the train does not carry passengers.
  • Pilots and aircrew, travelling in a part of the aircraft that is not accessible to passengers, for example a fully enclosed cockpit.
  • Nuclear emergency responders

People who represent organisations which are participating in the fourth National Lottery Licence competition” and “ People engaged in urgent or essential work for the BBC’s broadcasting transmission network and services” are specifically stated not to be exempt from this requirement.

179294 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Cecil B, 3, #333 of 1892 🔗

Oh the joy I had at Heathrow airport in September when coming back into the country. Your kids can go on your form, but your spouse can’t. They need their own form. It’s a pointless tick box form on which it’s just a dull game of data input information that ultimately the airline already had. But they make sure married couple have to do the form twice for no valid reason

And when you get to the desk (after seeing 1000+ signs about Covid and staying safe or them keeping you safe) and you get lectured and interviewed by the knob at passport control. Waste of time enforced by a waste of time person.

179340 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Leemc23, 1, #334 of 1892 🔗

He’s looking forward to moonlighting as a Covid Marshal.

179176 Stuart, replying to Stuart, -33, #335 of 1892 🔗

“Bedwetters” is a handy red herring euphemism for low-IQ knuckledraggers. Brexiteers fall into this category.

179182 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Stuart, -13, #336 of 1892 🔗

How about retards or mongs?

179177 Jakehadlee, replying to Jakehadlee, 7, #337 of 1892 🔗

I’m not sure about “bedwetter”. Not because it is offensive – every human language in history evolved numerous offensive terms precisely because there is societal need to offend, it’s part of being human.

It’s more that it can be counterproductive. Insulting people who disagree with you is something I see more on the authoritarian side, and I think is a big part of why they tend to lose a lot. I’m pretty sure “basket of deplorables” won Trump victory in 2016 and the constant labelling of pro-Brexit supporters as “racist” was what swung Brexit the way of Leave.

It’s a lot of fun – and cathartic – insulting people who are misguided over risk but probably a lot more productive to talk to them as if they were good people who have been mislead.

179192 ▶▶ Splotchy, replying to Jakehadlee, 3, #338 of 1892 🔗

I’m OK about ‘bedwetter’; it’s clearly metaphorical. Those who prefer something more literal could try: ‘covysteric’ or ‘covimaniac’. (Athough pedants might perceive prejudice against women or the mentally afflicted in those words, hmmmm can’t please everyone).

179620 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Jakehadlee, #339 of 1892 🔗

Agree that it is counterproductive. In the comments – fine, but maybe best avoided in the actual posts (at least in the head- and taglines).
We want people to keep reading this site..

179183 sky_trees, replying to sky_trees, 3, #340 of 1892 🔗

I don’t like insulting people particularly if you’re generalising large groups. Never liked the term ‘bedwetter’. It means you’re much less likely to persuade people to your point of view, if you start with insulting them.

Also I think it’s inaccurate. Talking to people, there’s a range of views out there but I’ve never come across anyone in real life that it’s not possible to have a reasonable discussion with where one or both of us has a modified viewpoint at the end of it.

So maybe for specific cases an insult is OK if it’s justified on the specifics, but even then I think it diminishes and undermines your argument. As a generalisation, I think it’s childish and counter productive, and have done since the start.

179201 ▶▶ maggie may, replying to sky_trees, 3, #341 of 1892 🔗

100% agree with this, insulting people is usually the last resort when argument has failed and we are not in that category at all.

179289 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to sky_trees, 3, #342 of 1892 🔗

Let us not forget that the term arose when we were prevented from having rational discourse. Still are!

179197 Steeve, 5, #343 of 1892 🔗

Flaws in Coronavirus Pandemic Theory


Interesting Sunday read

179199 ianric, replying to ianric, 8, #344 of 1892 🔗

I was reading a post on an anti lockdown Facebook site and it was pointed out by the author they had been past Covid test sites which were empty and the question was raised where cases are coming from if testing sites are empty. Have you been past testing sites and found them empty. Do you think the government is lying about positive test cases.

179267 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to ianric, 2, #345 of 1892 🔗

The leader of Rhondda Cynon Taf council in Wales said (just before the local lockdown) that 300 people from England had been tested.

179334 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to ianric, 4, #346 of 1892 🔗

This has frequently been reported at LS, there is a clear view of our test station and it is always empty except for staff in hi viz bibs.

180375 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to karenovirus, 2, #347 of 1892 🔗

I passed within 10 metres of the drive-in testing station at Bidston Moss in Merseyside, yesterday. You know, the place where the cases are allegedly going through the roof. Not a single car in the queue. Meeters-and-greeters sitting on picnic chairs chatting to each other. Not a single car in the queue. NOT A SINGLE FUCKING ONE!

We are being lied to (even more than normal).

180823 ▶▶▶▶ ianric, replying to RichardJames, #348 of 1892 🔗
180653 ▶▶ annie, replying to ianric, 2, #349 of 1892 🔗

Do you think the Pope is a Catholic?

179202 Pancho the Grey, 5, #350 of 1892 🔗

Whilst consensus supporters refer to sceptics as deniers I reserve the right to refer to them as bedwetters.

179207 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 11, #351 of 1892 🔗

Has anyone considered writing to their local Director of Public Health to point out that they are presiding over a health crisis caused by lockdowns and have they considered their responsibilities in this matter? I am very interested to hear the views of others. For instance, are they leaving themselves open to future legal action for crimes against humanity?

179215 ▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to Basileus, 1, #352 of 1892 🔗

Legal action, crimes against humanity? How quaint.

179237 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Basileus, 2, #353 of 1892 🔗

I hadn’t, but good idea. Thanks.

179287 ▶▶ Roadrash, replying to Basileus, 7, #354 of 1892 🔗

Ours mandated parents ‘must’ wear masks when picking up or dropping off their kids at school. This was repeated in letters from the Director of Childrens Services To schools and in turn in letters from schools to parents. Also repeated in the local press. I asked him what authority he has to issue such a mandate in outdoor mask wearing. No reply. He clearly has none but nearly all parents are now doing it anyway.

179612 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Roadrash, 2, #355 of 1892 🔗

This is not legal and they cannot enforce it – see UsForThem..

179301 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Basileus, #356 of 1892 🔗

I’m sure everyone in the public sector will have been given legal immunity for all things Covid related.

179209 l835, replying to l835, 19, #357 of 1892 🔗

I spent a lovely afternoon with my daughter yesterday, now she has finally been released from house arrest by her school (Just in time for 1/2 term – two weeks instead of one this year, followed by two inset days…)

So, she finally managed to explain what happened, as school only supplied bland excuses

Three weeks ago, some children from my daughters class went to a party with children from another school. No-one at the party was ill BUT, a few days later a child from the second school started displaying symptoms of Covid and was tested. He had not been to the party. Both schools told their classes to self isolate for two weeks as a precaution.

The child’s test came back negative.

School insisted the class serve out the rest of their sentence as they didn’t know who else had been at the party or where else they had been and might be infected.

So, the suspect case was not at the party. No one at the party had any symptoms. My daughter was not at the party. She lost another two weeks of education.

Those who can do…

179296 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to l835, 4, #358 of 1892 🔗

Were the teachers also told to isolate ? If not how sad for them

179610 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to l835, 2, #359 of 1892 🔗


179210 Drummermanpaul, replying to Drummermanpaul, 1, #360 of 1892 🔗

I describe those in the grip of the government and media’s constant onslaught of propaganda as ‘fearers’.

179233 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Drummermanpaul, 4, #361 of 1892 🔗

Shithouses. I know history teachers that are fully enveloped in this charade. Individuals that should be able to seek and assess information from source – as well as understanding past lessons from history !

Lots of people should know better.

179212 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 7, #362 of 1892 🔗

The trial of Charles 1 seems to bear some resemblance to our current position.

In his summing up President of the Court Bradshaw asserted that even a king was subject to the law, and that the law proceeded from Parliament. Furthermore, Charles Stuart had broken the sacred reciprocal bond between king and subject. By making war on his own people, he had forfeit his right to their allegiance. Declaring Charles guilty of the charges against him, Bradshaw ordered the sentence of death to be read out. To his great dismay, Charles was not allowed to speak and was abruptly led away from the court to await his execution.

Something to think about?

179291 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Basileus, 1, #363 of 1892 🔗

I prefer Cromwell to Parliament

“I say this is no Parliament, in the name of God go!”

179422 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to karenovirus, 1, #364 of 1892 🔗

Did not Cromwell ban Christmas like this mob want to?

179641 ▶▶▶▶ George Dance, replying to David Grimbleby, 1, #365 of 1892 🔗

No, just the singing and feasting. It was turned into a day of fasting and prayer only.

180650 ▶▶▶▶▶ Miss Owl, replying to George Dance, 1, #366 of 1892 🔗

I’m sure I read somewhere, yonks ago now, that Charlie intends to take the regnal name George, in honour of his grandfather. So he would be George VII. No idea if that’s still his plan.

179647 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Basileus, 2, #367 of 1892 🔗

I did read a prophecy years ago that said the next King Charles (which would be this Charlie) would be the final monarch of England.

Will have to find it again if I can.

179213 l835, replying to l835, 5, #368 of 1892 🔗

In view of the increasing weight of evidence, is it not time to throw the corona idiots term back at the bedwetters? They are the ones spreading fear and panic!

179231 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to l835, 6, #369 of 1892 🔗

I’ve already embraced the term Covidiot. If going out and leading a full life (still within the law) makes me a Covidiot then so be it. Especially when it comes from ‘stay at home’ nervous wrecks dishing out lifestyle advice 😂 You couldn’t make it up 🙃

180883 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Tom Blackburn, #370 of 1892 🔗
179403 ▶▶ DomW, replying to l835, 1, #371 of 1892 🔗

(co)ronaphobe perhaps?

or coviphobe ?

179607 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to DomW, 2, #372 of 1892 🔗

Coviphobe is quite good, it implies fear without being too insulting. I also like Masketeer – humour goes a long way!

179216 Will, replying to Will, 4, #373 of 1892 🔗

Has Heneghan confirmed they are double counting students?

179250 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Will, 4, #374 of 1892 🔗

His current project seems to be teasing out that many hospital infections are actually occurring in hospitals (nosocomial infections?). That is to say that hospitals are overwhelming themselves! a case of physician heal thyself.

179277 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #375 of 1892 🔗

Local Live (mirror group news) reports that 3 out of the last 6 Covid hospitalizations in the county were hospital aquired.

179292 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to karenovirus, 3, #376 of 1892 🔗

It’s going nosocomial again

179217 Mike Collins, replying to Mike Collins, 11, #378 of 1892 🔗

We’ve reached peak Einstein, the Government is doing more of the same old thing and expecting a different outcome. Tomorrow’s announcements can only make sceptics stronger, we are the only people who are proposing a different approach. The only good that will come from this will be the end of Johnson, Starmer, Sturgeon with any luck.

179235 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Mike Collins, 2, #379 of 1892 🔗

That’s right, lockdowns will never work as they only delay the inevitable.

179218 Ben Shirley, 4, #380 of 1892 🔗

It’s Sunday morning and so it’s time to open your hymn sheets

The Clash – Clampdown

The judge said five to ten but I say double that again
I’m not working for the clampdown
No man born with a living soul
Can be working for the clampdown

179219 Caroline Watson, replying to Caroline Watson, 25, #381 of 1892 🔗

There were several items in the press, late yesterday, stating that the BMA and a member of Sage have recommended to Ministers that ‘masks’ should be worn outside. OUTSIDE FFS!!

I have paid lip service to the law with a scarf so far, so as not to embarrass the shop workers in my small Northumberland town. If this comes in, I shall blatantly break it.

‘Masks’ are pointless anyway, but completely so in rural areas – Northumberland is the most sparsely populated county in England and its apparent high ‘case rate’ is now mostly in overspill middle class Newcastle suburbs, where people are obsessed with testing. The rural areas are still very low.

All this will do is finally kill off small businesses in market towns and villages as people who can’t bear to cover their faces for more than a few minutes will avoid them altogether. Everyone will shop online and, if they have to buy essentials, drive rather than walk to places where they can park directly outside. Our town centres were dying before this happened and this absurdity will finish them, as will the associated idea of ‘masks’ in offices: everyone who can will work from home.

Fresh air is essential for a healthy immune system. We have some of the freshest air in England. I intend to continue breathing it!

179230 ▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to Caroline Watson, 5, #382 of 1892 🔗

And who benefits if you shop online, who benefits if small businesses close, who do you buy the masks from, who has an $73,000,000,000 this year?

179241 ▶▶▶ thedarkhorse, replying to 6097 Smith W, 2, #383 of 1892 🔗

We don’t all rely on Amazon.

179272 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to thedarkhorse, 6, #384 of 1892 🔗

I’ve gone right off Amazon, when I ordered 5 exempt lanyards guess what their algorithm suggested I might also be interested in ?
Facemasks and bloody visors !

179842 ▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to 6097 Smith W, 2, #385 of 1892 🔗

Stop buying from Amazon, stop using Facebook, stop using Google!!!

179234 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Caroline Watson, 9, #386 of 1892 🔗

They said outdoors but only where the 2 metre rule cannot be observed. It’s a useless statement really as if you’re outdoors you can always move more than 2m away from someone, so can’t see that you’d ever need to wear a mask based on what they’re saying.

179240 ▶▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to JohnB, 11, #387 of 1892 🔗

It will frighten people into wearing them, though, because they don’t want to be shouted at in the street. Old people, who struggle with masks now, will be particularly vulnerable to this and it will increase their isolation. Stopping to talk to someone in the street may be their only human contact and many have hearing problems that make a conversation with someone in a mask impossible.

179248 ▶▶▶▶ l835, replying to Caroline Watson, 2, #388 of 1892 🔗

Stop to talk to someone in the street now and they run a mile!

179273 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to JohnB, 1, #389 of 1892 🔗

When you are mugging someone.

180020 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to JohnB, 3, #390 of 1892 🔗

Hamburg, Germany is introducing mandatory face coverings on particularly busy streets. One of them is the large area outside the main train station, where they also have a walk-in testing center, and all the homeless people hang out.

179236 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Caroline Watson, 8, #391 of 1892 🔗

I just hope that if this ridiculous measure comes in, the exemption rules will remain unchanged. I have just ordered a couple of ‘sunshine’ lanyards as I anticipate there could be a run on them if this nonsense comes in (yes I know you should not have to wear a lanyard but sometimes it just makes life easier).

Altogether I think all of these petty laws and rules smack of poor micromanagement from leaders with no courage or conviction, all of these things should just be advice and guidance not laws. The whole thing reminds me of an old fashioned boarding house with petty little rules and dictats pasted on every wall.

179413 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #392 of 1892 🔗

That would make a good cartoon, Boris as a seaside landlady with curlers and headscarf, Hancock the sidekick brandishing rolling pin and a long list of rules.

179419 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to thinkaboutit, #393 of 1892 🔗

It would

179268 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Caroline Watson, 1, #394 of 1892 🔗

There was chat about this earlier on where I suggested that people who currently paid lip service to masking would just say stuff it and come out full Sceptic. 😷 🚫

179441 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Caroline Watson, 4, #395 of 1892 🔗

Trying to make sense of outdoor mask wearing is puzzling in the extreme, what has happened to any mental faculty these idiots ever had?

182145 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Caroline Watson, #396 of 1892 🔗

I hate myself for wearing an exemption badge I bought online. I hate being so weak but as an older white female I know I would be a target for the finger pointing Stasi. My husband even wears a mask (only to briefly enter shops) so that it doesn’t appear that we are being ‘Covidiots’. Even with a badge, I get finger pointing and glares. I am old and I am sick and I am FURIOUS that my freedom has been removed and the NHS has left us to suffer and go without medical care. I’ve survived equally bad flu outbreaks and will take my chances. I doubt I’ll ever get my freedoms back before my time is up.

179222 mjr, replying to mjr, 22, #397 of 1892 🔗

Sunday morning comment 1

Just been to shop to get papers. Staff (sceptics) wearing masks round chins just in case they get a dandelion customer.

One said he had the police in to check some cctv, Police asked if he was enforcing mask wearing in customers. Shopkeeper said no – its not my job, we have signs, i am not going to ban them.

PC says you should. Then two customers come in unmasked and shopkeeper still talking to PC and the PC says nothing to anyone.

179226 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to mjr, 19, #398 of 1892 🔗

Plod want stringing up for shit like this. Reprehensible. They don’t even know the law, that’s the most worrying aspect.

179260 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to mjr, 8, #399 of 1892 🔗

Dibble is wrong, asking the wrong question to a faced* person could be breaking Disability Discrimination legislation and anyway it’s their job not yours.
Was it a proper copper or a PCSO ?

*think I’ll use that again, ‘as a person of face’.

180276 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to karenovirus, 1, #400 of 1892 🔗


Would you mind if I nick that immediately? That’s our term for ourselves sorted out! “Person of face”!

Just need an equally witty version to replace “Bedwetter”, now. Bit more difficult, that one. It’s got to be at least mildly insulting…

180321 ▶▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to RichardJames, 2, #401 of 1892 🔗


180744 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to RichardJames, #402 of 1892 🔗

Feel free Richard, and anybody else.

179263 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to mjr, 4, #403 of 1892 🔗

Police: But we cant attend to a break-in as we do not have enough staff

179266 ▶▶ mjr, replying to mjr, 4, #404 of 1892 🔗

note PC was there checking cctv for some other reason (maybe shoplifting) .. but yes, it seems the police are suggesting the shops should be enforcers..

180023 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to mjr, #405 of 1892 🔗

I guess the police have an obligation to remind shopkeepers to do it.
Just doing a tick box exercise.

179223 6097 Smith W, replying to 6097 Smith W, 7, #406 of 1892 🔗

Just in case anyone thinks this is about the flu
The world’s 4 richest men are now $180 billion better off than at the start of the year
Double plus good

179249 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to 6097 Smith W, 2, #407 of 1892 🔗

They probably all live in California which also has the highest number of Americans dependent on welfare.

Another report earlier this week, BBC R4, said there are now 2,200 seriously rich people worldwide which I think meant billionaires.

179278 ▶▶ NappyFace, replying to 6097 Smith W, 6, #408 of 1892 🔗

Yes that is good news, but you will soon have the opportunity to contribute further to this good cause, through giving up your pension and generally lowering your living standards.

179229 mjr, replying to mjr, 4, #409 of 1892 🔗

Sunday Morning comment 2

BBC covid propaganda

Just caught a bit of the Gardeners World repeat. Big feature on covid and a long piece of Kate Garroway and her continually publicised husband’s illness (to remind those people who do not watch GMB) All the detail of how ill he was, etc etc and how she got through it by planting cabbages.

As people realise how benign covid is to most people, time for them to weave in a reminder of how some very rare people have had covid and so how dangerous it really is

179244 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to mjr, #410 of 1892 🔗

I give myself the day off from the BBC on Sunday instead listen to our local community radio station. Can be a PC but this morning they’re busy with Northern Soul.

179264 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to karenovirus, 2, #411 of 1892 🔗

excuse me whilst i bop around the room to Gloria Jones and Tainted Love………

179310 ▶▶▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to mjr, 2, #412 of 1892 🔗

It’s gotta be “do I love you” Frank Wilson now that’s a tune

179269 ▶▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to karenovirus, 8, #413 of 1892 🔗

I give myself a week off the BBC every Monday morning

180255 ▶▶▶▶ watashi, replying to Pancho the Grey, 2, #414 of 1892 🔗

I’ve had 6 months off now

180758 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Pancho the Grey, #415 of 1892 🔗

Know thine enemy.

179256 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to mjr, 4, #416 of 1892 🔗

Kate Garroway is featured in the Daily Mail numerous times per week, always with a slant that we should follow the rules so that we do not get hospitalised. It must be very tough but the rest of the population do not have to be locked up because of one individual in hospital for a long time.

If I recall correctly her husband was intubated/put on a ventilator when hospitalised – now we know that Covid patients should not be put on a ventilator – it forces oxygen into the lungs, damaging the lungs and the oxygen levels still do not improve sufficiently

179333 ▶▶▶ John Smith, replying to Victoria, 4, #417 of 1892 🔗

Garroway is a suspected intelligence asset.

That should explain everything for you.

179598 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to John Smith, #418 of 1892 🔗

Interesting. Source?

180092 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Carrie, #419 of 1892 🔗

They are all tools of the state

180662 ▶▶ annie, replying to mjr, 1, #420 of 1892 🔗

Beware the Covicabbage, the Coronacarrot and the Viral Cauliflower.

179238 John Stone, 6, #421 of 1892 🔗

Bit late for Boris to scapegoat Hancock. Almost getting too late for Rishi to scapegoat Boris.

179242 Nessimmersion, replying to Nessimmersion, 14, #422 of 1892 🔗

A Pandemic, worth consideration:
“The Real Pandemic: Mass Munchausen’s Syndrome by Proxy

It’s more than fair to say that we are experiencing a pandemic, but not the one you hear about ad nauseum. No, the pandemic is not a virus, it is a pandemic outbreak of Munchausen’s Syndrome by Proxy which focuses its obsessions on the virus.

Munchausen’s Syndrome by Proxy is a mental illness in which the sufferer fantasizes that others–usually people in their charge, such as children–are suffering from serious illness and require drastic medical intervention.”


179298 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Nessimmersion, 3, #423 of 1892 🔗

Have felt this for a while. It is highly abusive making someone think they are ill when not.

179445 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #424 of 1892 🔗

I think this is a very valid comparison of covid policy. Munchausens syndrome by proxy

It’s about systematically undermining our faith in our immune systems that only a vaccine can remedy and its its also a key component of the brainwashing technique to threaten us with a return of a state of bad health or disease if we do not comply with the abusive regime’s diktats.

179480 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #425 of 1892 🔗

Is Munchausener the new bedwetter?

179476 ▶▶ TyRade, replying to Nessimmersion, 3, #426 of 1892 🔗

sounds like a credible plot for The Bridge V. But any excuse to get Sofia Helin back would do.

179603 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to TyRade, #427 of 1892 🔗

A great series for anyone who has not watched it!

180754 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Nessimmersion, #428 of 1892 🔗

I’ve long wondered this as well. It’s not only led people to doubt their faith in the human immune system but has also played on the ignorance of the public especially the young.

I’ve lost count of how many people don’t even know that the human body consists of bacteria and viruses and how the respiratory system works.

179243 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 6, #429 of 1892 🔗

This vlogger video is very powerful. PCR tested the dog’s hair, key board and the pavement. Guess how many tested positive for the ‘coronie’

Had a lot of ah ha’s from a diverse group of people. Especially catchy for the young . Please distribute as far and wide as you can especially to students


179402 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Victoria, 5, #430 of 1892 🔗

Actually I think there’s another message in this video. He took a sample from his dog – positive. He took a sample from his keyboard negative. The sample from the wet pavement – positive. This clearly demonstrates that the viral RNA is in the general environment and that everyone is being exposed to it on a daily basis with or without masks.

179245 Richard, replying to Richard, 4, #431 of 1892 🔗

Agreed it’s time to stop using “bedwetter” We are free to use it but should choose not to. If scepticism is to move from the fringe to the mainstream, it must attract people to its ideas, not alienate them.

179257 ▶▶ hat man, replying to Richard, 1, #432 of 1892 🔗

True, but do you have better suggestions?

179752 ▶▶ Samhurt, replying to Richard, -1, #433 of 1892 🔗

Today’s little schoolmarm operetta has been truly enlightening. You people really are like everyone else, deep-down. At the first opportunity to have your editorial say you strike, and any excuse to limit speech you’ll make as long as it works in your group’s favour. ‘Offence,’ ‘injury,’ ‘compassion’and ‘inclusion’ – the weapons of the enemy, the language of the status-quo. And it never NEVER ends at one word.

Gooble-gobble, gooble-gobble – one of us, one of us. Right? Optics, right? Conversion, right?

There are still a few principled irony-appreciating folks in these yonder parts, and for the sake of their company I’ll continue to stick around ‘below the line.’ The rest of you scolds can go wet yourselves. Truth is more important than getting along!

179246 johnthebridge, replying to johnthebridge, 5, #434 of 1892 🔗

Agree wholeheartedly with the “elderly gentleman” re the term “bedwetter”.
It’s a foul expression that sounds childish. In addition, I note that you have used the vile American term “panty waist” today. I haven’t noticed the word before today on Lockdown Sceptics, so if you’re thinking of supplanting one with t’other, PLEASE DON’T!
Having said that, keep up the excellent resistance. A crack in the dam is surely not too far away?

179265 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to johnthebridge, 2, #435 of 1892 🔗

Without a single word epitaph, we will lose.

Rather than complaining about a label, come up with a new one to counter “covidiot”.

Whether you like it or not human beings operate on the scapegoat principle. There has to be a whipping boy.

179426 ▶▶▶ DomW, replying to Lucan Grey, #436 of 1892 🔗

Ronaphobe works for me. Or Coviphobe as a more symmetrical counter to Covidiot

179251 hat man, replying to hat man, 2, #437 of 1892 🔗

The link to the Tomas Pueyo article on Covid in Wuhan was very informative.

No less interesting is the fact that two years earlier the same Tomas Pueyo, who wrote the ‘lockdown works’ story, became ‘VP of Growth’ in an organisation promoting online education.

I.e. his career depended on massively increasing the use of online education. Could there be a connection?

179706 ▶▶ George Dance, replying to hat man, #438 of 1892 🔗

Thank you, Hat Man, for both the compliment and the lead. I’m up early (it’s 7am in Canada), reading LS, so I had time to take a break and do a quick search. Pueyo’s firm obviously has benefitted from the lockdown, according to TechCrunch:

“Today, Course Hero tells TechCrunch that it has raised a new tranche of capital in a Series B extension round of $70 million. The round is now totaling $80 million, bringing Course Hero’s total known venture capital to date to $95 million….
“But in Course Hero’s case, the new capital comes as a stark contrast to how the business functioned before 2020. After launching, the startup waited eight years to raise a $15 million Series A. Now, after going another nearly six years without raising venture capital, Course Hero has closed two rounds in this year alone.”

I intend to write more about Pueyo, so this is good information. Still, I’m not going to accuse him of having that as his motive. He strikes me as someone who just wanted to “do good” (which I find far more dangerous, as such people tend to have no moral scruples).

179255 Peter Thompson, replying to Peter Thompson, 30, #439 of 1892 🔗

Interestingly a few covid19 positive results came onto my results screen this week . Interesting as for months there has been none . Who were all these patients?. All were young aged around 19 , and all were students who had dutifully gone into the pied pipers testing van hundreds of miles away from the surgery.The students results go to their registered surgery which is where their parental home is . However their results for PHE , Hancock , Whitty and Vallance will indicate that there is an exponential rise in MY area and push us into the red zone ! ……Carl can you do some work here please?

I have just read Nurse Jessica s report from yesterday and can say that it is a very accurate report on what has been happening for the last six months. All the people I know who died with /of Covid19 were very unwell anyway , who were the revolving door with severe life threatening co morbidities or folk who were very old and frail with dementia.

As for the term bedwetter ; I would rather it is dropped . The blame for this fiasco needs to be put firmly and squarely on the Hancocks and Whittys of this world with rational fact based arguments. They with the mass medias help have terrified the people .

179440 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Peter Thompson, 2, #440 of 1892 🔗

“their results…will indicate that there is an exponential rise in MY area and push us into the red zone !”
This sounds like classic NIMBYism to me. We don’t want any asymptomatic “cases”/false positives/infections of otherwise healthy young people to mean that there is any cause for alarm full stop. It’s not enough for you to only care about your own freedom in your nice rural area at the expense of those dirty Northern slums.
Don’t look to Carl Heneghan to sort this for you. He’s working on the bigger picture anyway. As a GP you should speak up yourself for your own community and tell everyone who’ll listen that it’s all b*llocks.

179500 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 5, #441 of 1892 🔗

these positive tests are included in the figures and the message put out by the local councils. So mine last week told me that 16 students were tested positive whilst away at uni but they are included in my councils positive test total (and they were 1/6th of the total) .
They are probably also included in the universities area … i.e. double counted

179536 ▶▶▶ Peter Thompson, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 6, #442 of 1892 🔗

Thanks for the courteous reply . Like most posters who reprimand me for not going ” public ” you have chosen to post with a name which can’t identify you publically. I presume your real name isnt ” SweetBabyCheeses ”

As for the doctors who have gone ” public ” . As well as having to face the wrath of the media and twatterati wanting to know their addresses, they also often lose their jobs.


179448 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Peter Thompson, 5, #443 of 1892 🔗

Agree with you that the term bedwetter should not be used. I feel only pity for all these people with facemasks and elderly going around with plastic gloves. Focus all our anger/hate on the cynical politicians in charge of this massive destructive psy op, Project Fear. The biggest deception of the population ever.

179463 ▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to swedenborg, 3, #444 of 1892 🔗

And as a a GP he will know that bewdwetting is primarily an affliction of boys, largely hereditary (passes through the female line) and generally clears up by 9-10 years of age. As such it has ruined the early lives of many boys sent away to boarding school at the age of 8. It is an absolute classic bullying term, and marks out the user as a public schooly bully.

180519 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to swedenborg, 1, #445 of 1892 🔗

I don’t feel at all sorry for them at all. I think they all deserve a huge slap across the face to stun them out of their selfish stupor.

179509 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Peter Thompson, #446 of 1892 🔗

not the pied piper ,, that includes dancing which is banned . I think the childcatcher- who already has his own prison wagon, is more appropriate

180513 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Peter Thompson, 3, #447 of 1892 🔗

I’m sorry, but I profoundly disagree. To lay this solely at the feet of politicians, officials and media is to say that the population are nothing more than mindless idiots, incapable of any independent thought. And if we believe that, then really, we just want a benevolent dictatorship, because the population are then too stupid to know what is good for them.

It clearly looks that way now. But we must demand better of everyone, not just officials and media.

179258 Victoria, 5, #448 of 1892 🔗

but many are admitted with other things and the positive swab is an incidental finding as they don’t have any covid symptoms

. They tested positive as it was a false positive test

179259 JPF, replying to JPF, 3, #449 of 1892 🔗

I think of the bedwetters as people with low AQA (Ability to Question Authority).

I don’t have a problem with using the term bedwetters though, and think insults are a useful weapon in our armoury which may make some people (not all) think twice. Maybe it’s hitting home a bit too much for some people, how much do we know about the gentleman who’s questioning it?

179279 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to JPF, 3, #450 of 1892 🔗

I respectfully disagree that insults are a useful weapon, though they may help us let off steam. If we insult someone then their emotional response to that will take up all their attention and energy and they will not be able to process any information that might influence their thinking. It just makes the gap between 2 people/2 groups bigger. The govt is trying to gaslight and divide all of us. I think we’re just aiding and abetting them if we waste our anger on those who have been duped.

179326 ▶▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #451 of 1892 🔗

That’s very noble of you Charlie.

However the opposition will happily label and divide and conquer us using the same weapons. And then we lose.

We have to fight fire with fire.

The reason Trump was so successful four years ago was because he was the master of the Linguistic Kill Shot.

179368 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Lucan Grey, 2, #452 of 1892 🔗

I respeçt that view. But sometimes starving the fire of oxygen works too. Fighting fire with fire means a war of attrition and when the other side is stronger in numbers and resources it is well worth considering alternative strategies. Deserters can be very valuable. Forgive the military analogies, but they seem apt.

179261 mjr, 8, #453 of 1892 🔗

Sunday Morning comment 3

For those who hope for some retribution against those in the NHS management and higher echelons for their contributions to cancer deaths and withdrawal of non covid treatments

Story in MoS about a midwife attending a birth, where her errors led to brain damage in a baby, whilst she was already banned due to failing essential medical training course.

Following high court case the trust has agreed to pay damages. (ie from public funds.

Is anyone disciplined or punished??

The midwife has retired (early). A doctor and a midwife have been sent for extra training .

And that’s it . The trust , Barts have just come out of 5 years special measures caused by poor A&E care, bullying , poor morale

179262 NappyFace, 13, #454 of 1892 🔗

The poll findings are entirely due to the Terror Campaign.

The public has been told a pack of lies, has been terrified by their televisions, newspapers and social media campaigns – not to mention the posters and floor markings etc.

If there had been no Terror Campaign, the polls would be different.

It’s a war of narratives.

179271 KevinMillican, replying to KevinMillican, 7, #455 of 1892 🔗

I agree that the term “bedwetter” should be replaced. If anything, it’s too generous because it implies something beyond the control of the afflicted.
A better term would be “Covid-Sheep”

179364 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to KevinMillican, 2, #456 of 1892 🔗

Millican’t understand that this is about more than offending people.

179275 James, 5, #457 of 1892 🔗

I think the term ”bedwetter” is quite tame, considering what these people are doing to the country…and I still use ”spazz” as a derisory name for someone.

179276 Guirme, replying to Guirme, -2, #458 of 1892 🔗

Coronaphobics and Covid nazis. Drop the inappropriate term “bedwetter”.

179288 ▶▶ Samhurt, replying to Guirme, 4, #459 of 1892 🔗

Look everyone, it’s another word-cop wetting their drawers, telling us what’s appropriate to say and what’s not.

Were you all just waiting in the woodwork this whole time?

179314 ▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to Samhurt, 1, #460 of 1892 🔗

He’s a bed wetting maskhole

179319 ▶▶▶ Guirme, replying to Samhurt, 2, #461 of 1892 🔗

I really don’t understand your strange comment. My family and I have been 100% sceptical from day one and I am appalled at the attitudes of so many of my fellow citizens. However that is a very important point – they are my fellow citizens and as this nonsense recedes we all have to get along if we wish to re-establish a functioning society. Being angry all the time and insulting those you do not agree with only serves to polarise opinion whereas the goal of all of us should be to change people’s opinions. It may be painfully slow but I believe we are making progress.

179281 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 16, #462 of 1892 🔗

Yesterday, as it was world mental health awareness day, I went to Tesco with my 7 month old child (strapped to my front facing outwards) and instead of wearing a mask, I got a nappy and some black masking tape and attached the nappy to my face.

I got a couple of funny looks, but most zombies just carried on as if nothing was wrong.

Next time, I’ll try no mask. If anyone says anything, I’ll just tell them that I think I might be asthmatic.

If they say “you either are or you’re not”, I’ll just reply “well, I can’t tell because I can’t get in to see a doctor”.


179478 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #463 of 1892 🔗

I did read that all diagnoses for asthma, copd etc have been put on hold as part of the test involves exhaling as hard as you can through one of those tube things and apparently that’s too dangerous for the nurse.

179537 ▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 1, #464 of 1892 🔗

Happened to me in late Feb (Breathing problems…), just sent a script through to the Pharmacy. I check it weekly and discuss it with the nurse at the yearly review. It will work for some and not others.

179485 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #465 of 1892 🔗

Don van Vliet would be proud.

179283 Samhurt, replying to Samhurt, 7, #466 of 1892 🔗

How about we let people use whatever words they like and stop behaving like the people we come here to seek refuge from, for Heaven’s fucking sake! Piss and moan and fiddle and faddle, ‘bedwetter’ shall not be retired!

What is it about groups of like-minded people, that when an opportunity for prudery arises so many just pounce on the opportunity to limit themselves and everyone else with appeals to ‘sensitivity’ or whatever effeminate nonsense? Is there NO ESCAPING the bedwetting gene? Why are we even discussing the bloody thing?

How far the mental termites spread!

179306 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Samhurt, 1, #467 of 1892 🔗

I think “shit eater” is quite apt – walking round with a nappy on your face, fed shit by the government, quite happy to eat it.

179309 ▶▶▶ Samhurt, replying to captainbeefheart, #468 of 1892 🔗

Shit-Eating Bedwetter has a nice tonic taste to it

179311 ▶▶ Bruno, replying to Samhurt, #469 of 1892 🔗

Bedwetters used as an insult is an absolute marker of a public school boys’ dormitory education. Nuff said.

179325 ▶▶▶ Samhurt, replying to Bruno, 3, #470 of 1892 🔗

And what is wrong with that, Sylvie?

I’m sensing some class snob-ism on this site all of a sudden. Prudery is a mind-killer (and a murderer of fun, more depressingly) – must we reduce ourselves to the same politically-correct pantomime our enemies resort to? Must we whinge and wet ourselves, must we nudge each other into dead-eyed conformity? Can you all just LET PEOPLE USE WHATEVER LANGUAGE THEY PREFER and NOT BE TOTAL CUNTS please?

179358 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Samhurt, 3, #471 of 1892 🔗

If you’re just here to let off steam, a bit of catharsis, fine.

For those who want to change minds and behaviours, it’s a point worth noting. I don’t say bedwetter or sheeple or anything like that.

But if someone’s being an authoritarian prick I’ll still call them an authoritarian prick.

179284 NappyFace, replying to NappyFace, 2, #472 of 1892 🔗

How about “Collaborators”?

179290 ▶▶ Chris John, replying to NappyFace, #473 of 1892 🔗


179416 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Chris John, 1, #474 of 1892 🔗


179304 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to NappyFace, #475 of 1892 🔗

I like to remind bedwetters that their time will come.

179285 Christine, 1, #476 of 1892 🔗

Surely if this site wishes to bring about change it needs to recruit those who are genuinely terified. Insults have never won anyone over to a cause.

179297 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 3, #477 of 1892 🔗

Bedwetters did not offend me. However, if it helps change it to “Dr Shipman types” Killing people off the back of medical expertise seems apt.

179338 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Leemc23, 1, #478 of 1892 🔗

Exactly. The Nazis had scientists.

179299 LS99, 3, #479 of 1892 🔗

“The Lives of Others” is a really great film. Highly recommended.

179302 Squire Western, replying to Squire Western, 11, #480 of 1892 🔗

I was aghast to discover that Google has indeed shadow banned the Great Barrington Declaration. Google has become over-mighty and is now a serious threat to freedom of both thought and expression. It is time for national governments all over the world to legislate against google misusing its power in this way, and if governments will not do so then we need to start using a different search engine. Duck Duck Go sent me immediately to the correct place.

179308 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Squire Western, 4, #481 of 1892 🔗

Great post. Do not use google. Use DuckDuckGo and tell people about it

179315 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Squire Western, -3, #482 of 1892 🔗

A difference in algorithm does not necessarily imply shadow banning. I explained this is yesterday’s comments so won’t both going into it again here.

179320 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Tee Ell, 1, #483 of 1892 🔗

I didn’t see comment yesterday so sorry as you probably explained why I can’t find the declaration using google. But it does seem odd to me that what does come up are critical articles and no matter how far down I look on a google search I can’t find the gb declaration. Time for google to go from my phone I think.

179336 ▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to wendy, #484 of 1892 🔗

Nothing wrong with using duckduckgo as your primary search engine. I do too. But I use chrome, android and gmail so there’s no way they won’t see my stuff still.

The point is, different search engines use different algorithms and claiming a shadow ban without any evidence or analysis or understanding of these is taking it a bit far. For Google, simply search “gbdeclaration” without the space.

179356 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Tee Ell, 1, #485 of 1892 🔗

Thank you, yes it did come up that way.

180323 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to wendy, #486 of 1892 🔗

But that’s the point about “shadow-banning”. All the searches bring up the correct results if you type in the exact term; that’s not the problem. The difficulty is if you search for something that you have half-remembered. Then it never comes up. Use Duckduckgo or Yandex.

179312 FenTyger, replying to FenTyger, 2, #487 of 1892 🔗

Is SARS-CoV-2 the new version of MRSA in our “world beating” NHS?

179490 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to FenTyger, 1, #488 of 1892 🔗

Yes in that both seem to be predominantly nosocomial.
No in that one is a mostly harmless respiratory virus and the other is an antibiotic resistant bacteria that I do think we have actual reason to fear (if an inpatient).

179316 wendy, replying to wendy, 3, #489 of 1892 🔗

So so cross about the google shadow ban of the gb declaration and decided to use a different search engine on my phone and delete the google search engine. It’s a bit difficult to get away from google all together as it’s an android phone but I’ve even been thinking if a buy another phone I’ll buy an Apple.

I think I’ll try DuckDuckGo as a few people here mentioned yesterday that you can find the declaration using that and safari on my iPad still finds it.

179380 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to wendy, 2, #490 of 1892 🔗

I got so cross about Billybot’s interference I refused to renew my Microsoft subscription on my laptop this year, removed Windows and installed Linux.
It was a newish machine which made it easier. I then opted for a vpn, use firefox and installed duck duck go. Google on the phone is nuisance, will work on that next.

179317 Victoria, 5, #491 of 1892 🔗


.Dr. Margarite Griesz-Brisson MD, PhD is a Consultant Neurologist and Neurophysiologist with a PhD in Pharmacology, with special interest in neurotoxicology, environmental medicine, neuroregeneration and neuroplasticity.

This is what she has to say about masks and their effects on our brains:

“When in ten years, dementia is going to increase exponentially, and the younger generations couldn’t reach their god-given potential, it won’t help to say “we didn’t need the masks”. I know how damaging oxygen depravation is for the brain, cardiologist knows it for the heart, the pulmonologist knows it for the lungs. Oxygen deprivation damages every single organ”. Who is responsible for this crime? The ones who want to enforce it? The ones who let it happen and play along, or the ones who don’t prevent it?[..]It’s not about masks, it’s not about viruses, it’s certainly not about your health. It is about much much more. I am not participating. I am not afraid. We are responsible for what we think, not the media. We are responsible for what we do, not our superiors. We are responsible for our health, not the World Health Organisation. And we are responsible for what happens in our country, not the government.”

http://www.globalresearch.ca/covid-19-masks-crime-against-humanity-child-abus. .  (5 October 2020)

179318 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 1, #492 of 1892 🔗

Listened to Wee Jimmie on Sophie Ridge. I got the impression that the penny has dropped and she knows that the virus cannt be stopped and that full lockdown is out of the question for economic reasons. However she has to save face given her previous actions so the restaurant shut/cafe open is all she can concede. Anyone who could bring themselves to watch it have a different take?

179323 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to arfurmo, 4, #493 of 1892 🔗

Her hands are tied regarding lockdowns because Scotland is reliant on financial support from the UK government to cover the costs. If there was an unlimited budget there is no doubt that she would have a national lockdown for as long as it takes.

179541 ▶▶ Guirme, replying to arfurmo, 6, #494 of 1892 🔗

She is also under increasing pressure as her latest measurex have not been as well received as she probably expected them to be. Also the Alex Salmond business is catching up on her and I reckon this will be her downfall; I think her days as FM are numbered.

179616 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #496 of 1892 🔗

His point on a fog of data just indicate just how much effort has been wasted discussing measurements of cases, hospitalisations and comparing across countries. Often I think its next to pointless it’s so broad

179324 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 4, #497 of 1892 🔗

I’ve been preparing some questions for the Stasi when they arrive in my neighbourhood…

1) What is you full name, job title and what organisation do you work for? If you are not allowed to give your name do you have some sort of asset reference number?

2) Who do you report to? (Full name and job title, organisation, phone number)

3) What exactly is your role? What have you been ordered to do?

4) What powers do you have?

5) Will you accept any order from your superiors?

6) Do you have any training in ethics to do this role?

7) Have you ever heard of the Numerburg principles?

8) Do you know the difference between common law and statute law?

If they refuse to answer any of these questions, then they should be informed that they have no right to tell people what to do and then tell them to do one.

If course, I will have my face totally covered during this time and will not give any personal details to them.

When it happens, I’ll be sure to record and post the conversation on brand new tube.

Fun times ahead…

179349 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #498 of 1892 🔗

Asset reference number aaahahaa good work.

179391 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #499 of 1892 🔗

Just ignore them. Name, rank and number only if they’ve got a warrant.

179335 Lucan Grey, replying to Lucan Grey, 2, #500 of 1892 🔗

In honour of our Brave New World, how about “soma-suckers”?

179354 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Lucan Grey, 2, #501 of 1892 🔗

In general I don’t believe that the actual words matter. What does matter is the effect you desire in using such words.

If you want to get people onside then it is probably better to use words with less negative connotations.

I don’t think words in themselves are inherently offensive, usually people choose to take offence if it suits their purpose. It is the intent with which they’re used that is more important.

179341 cloud6, replying to cloud6, 2, #502 of 1892 🔗

Who’s copying WHO, a doubletake, one from Boris, same from Biden.

179342 ▶▶ cloud6, replying to cloud6, 1, #503 of 1892 🔗


179523 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to cloud6, 1, #504 of 1892 🔗

And people STILL think it is just incompetence!

179619 ▶▶▶▶ Miss Owl, replying to Carrie, 1, #505 of 1892 🔗

The WHO used the phrase back in 2013, relating to mental health following emergencies. I’ve found references to the same phrase by UNICEF in 2005, following the 2004 tsunami. The Clinton Foundation used it in 2011 relating to Haiti; and Clinton also described it as “post-crisis recovery [which] should not be merely a return to the status quo ante but an attainment of a ‘new normalcy’.”

So neither Johnson nor Biden are that clever, or that original. But we knew that.

If you put the phrase ‘build back better’ into a search engine, followed by just about ANY country’s name, you’ll get loads of results.

They are ALL in on it. Hive mind.

179923 ▶▶▶ George Dance, replying to cloud6, 1, #506 of 1892 🔗

Biden is the one with the record of plagiarism.

179344 Major Panic, 6, #507 of 1892 🔗

Someone needs to explain to Biden that he needs to wash his hands every time he fiddles with his potentially pathogen laden mask.

oh and;

herd immunity deniers are killing granny

179345 Girl down Under, replying to Girl down Under, 4, #508 of 1892 🔗

Get used to the lockdowns kids. Here’s Rowan Dean, Sky Australia commenting on the great reset. And oh boy does Charlie cop some criticism!

179347 ▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to Girl down Under, 4, #509 of 1892 🔗

Sorry, here is the link.

179406 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Girl down Under, 2, #510 of 1892 🔗


This is excellent. Thanks for sharing.

179421 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Girl down Under, 2, #511 of 1892 🔗

It reminds me of my days working in a large corporate bank at head office. They were so full of their own sh*t trying to do “culture change” every year or so. They had conferences, “inspirational videos”, new processes and ways to think and behave.

They have absolutely no idea about mindset shifts. Any desire to change comes from within, not because some loon tells us “it’s time”!!

On that basis alone I have significant hope that this will fail miserably. They are deluded.

It is a MUST WATCH video though!

179567 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Country Mumkin, #512 of 1892 🔗

Having worked for large business consultancy, we were always well aware of that. You basically embrace those that get on board with the change from day 1. Push them into more influential positions within the project. The thing is, many of those actual individuals knew this as well and that to embrace the change rather than fight it was the only option.

180144 ▶▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #513 of 1892 🔗

I saw that too. It was superficial “embracing”. We became ourselves after work.

They’re taking about controlling whole life changes. They are in la-la land if they think they can pull of big style mind control.

A bit of mask wearing is one thing but trying to get people to see, feel and behave in life through a totally different lense is another.

180871 ▶▶▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to Country Mumkin, #514 of 1892 🔗

We had similar in the large govt organisation I worked for, CM. There was only a couple of us who could quietly question the directives. We were bound by codes of conduct, anti discrimination, anti corruption, inclusivity agreements etc etc. None of which were necessary as we would never had made anyone feel uncomfortable in a workplace but privately our beliefs/values were different to the organisations. Technically we weren’t even allowed to discuss it.As Bebop sayes accepting it was the only options. And that is what I hate about all of this lockdown restriction stuff. It is too sinister. So glad I can access LS.

179558 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Girl down Under, #515 of 1892 🔗

I was so transfixed by the loon that is Klaus Schwab, I looked him up and found this interesting précis.

Covid has definitely seen a power grab by the loons and the psychopaths.


179589 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Girl down Under, #516 of 1892 🔗

Very interesting – do you think they have delayed the next Davos conference because they have been rumbled sooner than they wished, and want to have implemented more of the programme before more people ‘wake up’? Or might it be because of the Crimes against Humanity’ case?

180146 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Carrie, #517 of 1892 🔗

The WHO have come out with their anti-lockdown message too.

180829 ▶▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to Carrie, #518 of 1892 🔗

I don’t know Carrie. Rowan suggested that participants wouldn’t be keen due to it being freezing and during COVID. But you could be right on both. I used to think it was just a bunch of mad old rich men indulging wicked fantasies, but the fact that our govt sends representatives really bothers me. If you get people such as Daniel Andrews there with his meglomaniac tendencies who knows how far it could go.Especially now as worldwide populations have been ‘softened up’ to the restrictions in place. It would be very easy to make sweeping changes to an already browbeaten population.

179350 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #519 of 1892 🔗

Listening to local radio this morning, new advert on.

It’s telling people the organ donation scheme has changed “to save lives” and you need to opt out, not opt in.

Makes it sound like if you opt out you’re an anti-social git like non-mask wearing.

All part of the your body is our’s, not your’s plan.

179394 ▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #520 of 1892 🔗

Whoa, that’s darned scary AG. It should only ever be an opt in process. I have opted in as my sister in law had a double lung transplant a few years ago. She had 3 months of breathing easy before she sadly passed away. Totally respect anyone’s decision to opt out though. Can you imagine the kind of abuse this could could lead to? Very sinister indeed.

179418 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #521 of 1892 🔗

Law changed back in May. I am happy for any bit of me I can no longer make use of to be used to help someone else, but that should be my choice. Anyone who wants to opt out can do it here

179534 ▶▶ Miss Owl, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #522 of 1892 🔗

It’s been that way for some time now. I was always of the mind that anyone could have anything they could take if it would help someone else. But it’s MY decision, not the state’s. So every single time this comes up I go back to the page and re-opt out as it seems the register conveniently ‘forgets’ your choice. I change a detail each time to be sure it registers. For example, today, I’ve chosen ‘Prefer not to say’ under the gender classification; mostly I just change my religion. When I’ve gone, my next of kin are welcome to change their minds about my kidneys or brain or whatever, and they know that, but I’m not letting the state think they can decide for me.

179581 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Miss Owl, 2, #523 of 1892 🔗

That the register ‘conveniently forgets’ your choice is VERY worrying – they should not opt people back in automatically. People will assume that if they have opted out then that is it – they have opted out.

How often is the register updating and opting people back in?

This is important information that needs to be spread widely…

I opted out the moment they changed the system to one of ‘assumed consent’….and I’m sure I am not alone.

180047 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Miss Owl, 1, #524 of 1892 🔗

How can the system reset and you have to opt-out again?
How can I check this?

180080 ▶▶▶▶ Miss Owl, replying to Silke David, 1, #525 of 1892 🔗

Because there’s a button to email them and ask them to check your entry. Last time I did that I got a ‘no record of your decision’ response. Which means you’re opted in.

I’m not sure the website was put together by anyone with English as a first language, anyway. It states:

Who is affected?The opt out system applies to everyone in England, except for those who are part of what are called excluded groups.
Excluded groups are:

  • Those under the age of 18
  • People who lack the mental capacity to understand the new arrangements and take the necessary action
  • Visitors to England, and those not living here voluntarily
  • People who have lived in England for less than 12 months before their death

So basically, you can’t opt out if you’re a kid, someone with a mental disability, a trafficked person, a recent immigrant or a tourist, and we can take any of your bits we fancy.

I’m sure that’s not what they mean. But it’s what that says.

179640 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #526 of 1892 🔗

I opted out as soon as the all changed.

I don’t mind donating was long as it’s MY decision (or my wife’s at the time) but I’m damned if they will take it from me with out asking.

They claim they won’t but I don’t believe that for one second they way mission creep and normalisation of deviance works in these things.

180041 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #527 of 1892 🔗

I have opted out, but if my family decide to donate my organs I don’t mind.

180671 ▶▶ annie, replying to Awkward Git, #528 of 1892 🔗

The Welsh ‘government’ assumed ownership of our bodies several years ago. I was one of the first to opt out. Habeam corpus .

179353 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 2, #529 of 1892 🔗


You couldn’t make it up!

TLDR 2 International footballers missed playing for Ireland against Slovakia due to a “positive” COVID19 test, which it turns out was a false positive.

179502 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #530 of 1892 🔗

Haha. I’ve got so many people I can forward this to. When Irish Football and Covid come together it’ll make their tiny minds explode. I actually think it may even make them start to take notice of the test farce, despite the fact I’ve sent them medical journal articles describing the issues.

As is the lack of serious thought among this demographic

179643 ▶▶ Miss Owl, replying to Ewan Duffy, #531 of 1892 🔗

There was some Scottish football team where five, I think, players tested positive. All false. Last night, Shaqiri for Switzerland, was ‘allowed’ to play after his positive was found to be false. Lost one-nil against what must have been the most boring Spain side I’ve seen in a long time.

These false positives are playing havoc with footie betting as games are off, then on, then off, then on again. How’s a poor bookie supposed to cope?

179989 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Miss Owl, #532 of 1892 🔗

The football media pundits are becoming more forceful in saying that some way should be found to allow crowds back into stadiums, even if numbers are limited. But I fear the only permitted option will involve everyone having to be masked.

180054 ▶▶▶▶ Miss Owl, replying to Edward, #533 of 1892 🔗

Indeed, but they’re not being forceful enough. Fans’ organisations need to speak out forcefully, too. Otherwise, by the time we all get back to mouth-searing Bovril and barely-heated ‘meat’ pies (neither available at FGR though!), the American owners of ManU and Liverpool will be running the whole show.

179357 GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 3, #534 of 1892 🔗

So is this the beginning of the end for this nonsense if Boris & co are now ridding themselves of responsibility and passing the buck to local Mayors etc? Sounds like a potential get out clause for them.

179395 ▶▶ petgor, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 2, #535 of 1892 🔗

God help us all, if the local jobsworths are given the power over us. My local inspectors as it is, seem to quite enjoy handing out Prohibition Notices. If councillors are given power heaven help us. At the moment t I am trying to persuade the council to do something about shops exhibiting signs saying “no masks, no entry”. These signs are in my opinion, legally and morally indefensible for those more timid members of society.

179999 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to petgor, #536 of 1892 🔗

Councils love closing things as it gives them a feeling of power without having to do anything constructive. The last retail services to reopen in my area were those in the council-run indoor markets, several weeks after the non-essential shops.

179363 Girl down Under, replying to Girl down Under, 2, #537 of 1892 🔗

Interested to know what others think about Dr John Campbell’s enthusiasm for mask wearing. I’ve seen a few of his podcasts and had been quite impressed with what he has said about vitamin D etc. Was watching this one tonight and was really turned off by his attitude around mask wearing. Would like your thoughts.

179383 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Girl down Under, 1, #538 of 1892 🔗

I too am ambivalent towards John Campbell, his use of the title Dr., although correct as he has a PhD, people assume he is a physician. He is in fact a former nurse.

179405 ▶▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to p02099003, #539 of 1892 🔗

Oh really, thanks 003..

179783 ▶▶ Billy Boff, replying to Girl down Under, 1, #540 of 1892 🔗

I watched a few of his videos at the start, when it was unclear whether this was serious or not. However, once it became clear it wasn’t and he was still talking about it like it was, I stopped watching him.

179366 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 8, #541 of 1892 🔗

I like the ‘bedwetter’ label for bedwetters – but we aren’t going to convince people that lockdown is bad and herd immunity good, by insulting them

179424 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Major Panic, 4, #542 of 1892 🔗

Maybe not but it makes us feel better.

179566 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Tom Blackburn, #543 of 1892 🔗

Fine in the comments but could be used more carefully in Toby’s posts – we want people to read the articles and labelling people en masse is not going to help us.

If you are an older person with other illnesses and genuinely worried about the virus, coming to this site and finding Toby’s post repeatedly describing you as a bedwetter is not going to make you want to read the blog or join us…

179721 ▶▶▶▶ Samhurt, replying to Carrie, -1, #544 of 1892 🔗

Gooble-gobble gooble-gobble

One of us, one of us


179367 petgor, replying to petgor, 11, #545 of 1892 🔗

Every so often someone here makes a comment that quite overwhelms me, though that isn’t to denigrate the general population here of commentators.

I was particularly taken by two comments. One referred to the docility of the majority of the population. The other was in expressing shame of so many of the older population who, as the commentator said, are retired with pensions, their own homes and with generally comfortable lives. They, and I don’t include myself, seem to have no concern for the fact that they will not be paying the price of all this in the years to come.

I really am ashamed of my generation who, in some cases seem quite happy with what is happening to our country.

179459 ▶▶ watashi, replying to petgor, 1, #546 of 1892 🔗

My parents are in that group of being retired,very comfortable and happy to lap up all propaganda with no critical thinking at all. In spite of everything I send their way/everything I talk about they are still swallowing the fear narrative unthinkingly. I wonder if it has something to do with trust. They seem to have a great underlying trust in all authority (government, doctors etc) I feel pretty sad to be related to them most days. How can I go about helping them to think critically? to find concern? or do I just give up on them?

179488 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to watashi, 3, #547 of 1892 🔗

My dad has been naturally sceptical from the start I feel. Very receptive to my info but I don’t overload him. Just want him to feel safe that this isn’t what Stephen Nolan bleats on about.

My mum is slowly coming around. I’ve sent her the latest data on the local hospital which shows only 22 people of a population in the ward of around 200,000. 19 of these were over 80 years of age and, without te data to be sure, can largely be assumed to have co existing and fatal conditions. Nobody under 60 has died. That wave 1 was a casedemic and continues to be. 1 person (80+) has died since May. Its so stark she now feels much better. The masks thing is much harder to get through on.

179373 Mark, replying to Mark, 4, #548 of 1892 🔗

Nice to see doctors speaking out. But if their supposed representative at the BMA is making “recommendations” supposedly (and in practice) in their names, then they need to get together to publicly reprimand that representative, and preferably replace him.

If they don’t then the recommendation stands, in practice, in their collective names.

Is there a move by doctors to act on this latest travesty by the BMA? I have heard lots of complaints from doctors over the years about the BMA, much as we hear complaints from teachers and other unionised groups about their so called representatives, but there’s almost never any action.

179388 ▶▶ Peter Thompson, replying to Mark, 4, #549 of 1892 🔗

Most doctors are not members of the BMA . In my junior days it was known as the ” gaffers union ” ; just for the consultants. Over the last twenty years it has like every institution in the UK from the National Trust to the National Library become very political and orientated towards the left. At present it is just a plaything for the Marxist Prof Trish Greenhalgh .

179438 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Peter Thompson, #550 of 1892 🔗

Quite a lot of them are, though. The ever convenient if not ever reliable Wikipedia says: “ c urrently 159,000 doctors and 19,000 medical students are members of the association “, and Statista says; “in 2019, almost 301 thousand doctors were registered in the United Kingdom (UK) “. So more than half. And it obviously has state recognition and general media presence as the de facto representative of doctors’ collective opinion.

If, as you say (and I don’t doubt it), it has been captured (like so many of our institutions) by the long marchers , then surely it’s up to doctors to clean house? Who else is going to?

179673 ▶▶ matt, replying to Mark, #551 of 1892 🔗

The BMA is a Union more than it is a representative body and has been just as hijacked by bien pensant agendas as any other public sector or teaching union. They have actively participated in and encouraged the de-professionalisation of their own profession and deserve to be listened to about as carefully as you would listen to NASUWT

179696 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to matt, #552 of 1892 🔗

Absolutely, my point is just that this is a problem that needs to be addressed by action taken by those the body in question claims to represent and is usually presented in the media as representing.

179376 Samhurt, replying to Samhurt, 8, #553 of 1892 🔗

Well, it had to happen, didn’t it! The second someone with a complex complains about a word the prudes amongst us just go for broke. It’s as though there’s a switch in people’s brains that goes off the second an opportunity for control arises. The bedwetting gene is real.

Is there really nowhere one can go to find relief from this sort of effeminate snobbery? It’s like a physical law, at this point. There’s no escaping the bedwetting mindset, is there? Our culture is trapped by fear of offense, fear of not fitting in – word-policing is about as fearful as it gets… Down-vote all you like, but purifying and purging language is wrong. And I think there may be a class-element rearing it’s shrunken pickled head here, as well.

Principals are important. I deal with politically correct pseudo-bohemians every day and their fear and their conformity drives me to despair. Policing language is the first step. A word is just a word until you make it a cudgel. Stop being cunts to one another, live and let live, bedwetter is appropriate and now you’ve made it even more so.

‘Bedwetters’ Forever, I say.

179396 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Samhurt, 3, #554 of 1892 🔗

How many posts have you made about this now? Maybe keep it to one thread rather than making loads more, else you’ll come across like a bedwetter.

179404 ▶▶▶ Samhurt, replying to Tee Ell, #555 of 1892 🔗

My lord, you types exist to prove a point. Thank you for demonstrating exactly what it is about this sort of rot that clings and clings and won’t let go until control has been established and ‘consensus’ reigns. It’s not just about a word anymore. Again, principles are important. Do the policing thing all you’d like, I’ll push back on the side of more speech, not less.

179434 ▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Samhurt, 1, #556 of 1892 🔗

Oh I thought it was principals that were important? Probably best clean your sheets before fixing your words though.

179458 ▶▶▶▶▶ Samhurt, replying to Tee Ell, -2, #557 of 1892 🔗

Are you autistic?

179468 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Samhurt, #558 of 1892 🔗

That’s pretty insulting to people who are autistic.

Being a pedantic c*nt who can spell is not the same as being autistic. I am the former.

179482 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Samhurt, replying to Tee Ell, -2, #559 of 1892 🔗

You took the bait exactly as I knew you would. The insult-taking is too predictable! Or maybe you’re taking the piss at this point. If not, then this routine of yours is just more effeminate snobbish nonsense ‘of a certain class’ (one suspects), and you’re being an officious bedwetting cunt.

179498 ▶▶ Bruno, replying to Samhurt, #560 of 1892 🔗

Word policing – it’s ‘offence’ – unless you’re American?- and ‘principles’.

179522 ▶▶▶ Jules, replying to Bruno, 2, #561 of 1892 🔗

Bedwetters is a term that may include misguided fools, the easily led, the straightforwardly simple minded, and Government shills, in short, emotionally stunted individuals of all sorts. As long as they are over 18 they deserve everything they get.

179531 ▶▶▶ Samhurt, replying to Bruno, #562 of 1892 🔗

There is a little schoolmarmish club of prudes and scolds and red-pencils milling around the comments today seemingly determined to make every one of my points for me, it seems.

Typing on a phone with one hand as the other’s out of commission, but you don’t actually care about the ‘why,’ you’re just on a power trip.

179703 ▶▶ concrete68, replying to Samhurt, #563 of 1892 🔗

I have been complaining on here about the term since the start of this blog with no effect. I’m afraid it’s a fact that our enemies use the term to discredit us and therefore the cause. For that fact alone you should desist. It also makes you sound like public schoolboy.

179843 ▶▶▶ Samhurt, replying to concrete68, -1, #564 of 1892 🔗

That’s correct, your complaints have been ignored, just as they should be, just like all hecklers’ complaints should be. Yours is a petty, weaseling method, petulant and snobbish and meddlesome; the impulse to dictate what is ‘correct’or ‘proper’ by controlling others’ speech ‘from behind’ is a pathetic one and deserves to be ridiculed. I get it, it’s a form of group therapy for all of you. You make a ritual out of offence-taking, it gives you a purpose and a direction: others’ language is the easiest thing to threaten, that’s why the Woke movement is devouring the zeitgeist presently. But the fixation is a perverse one. No good comes from censorship. And forget it with that cunting class babble, I won’t take the bait. You’re wrong and your tribe of scolds and tut-tutters is wrong. I hope Toby doesn’t cave to the pressure.

179704 ▶▶ concrete68, replying to Samhurt, #565 of 1892 🔗

PS principals are important mainly because they run schools. Principles are important as a key element of ethics or morality. Yes words do matter.

180076 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Samhurt, #566 of 1892 🔗

So posh Tory boy puts a shit letter in his blog to throw everybody off track on meaningless waffle

179378 Mark, replying to Mark, 3, #567 of 1892 🔗

I’m genuinely in two minds over the term bedwetters. On balance, I understand that it probably does put some people off so there’s a pragmatic case for dropping it, but on the other hand a lot of the problem we have in this country over free discussion comes from kowtowing to offence-mongering, so there’s an inclination to dig the heels in at any manifestation of it.

179389 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Mark, 2, #568 of 1892 🔗

I’m the same as you but tactically it’s possible to use words in a “specific and limited way” without necessarily conceding the argument for free speech.

179477 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Nobody2020, 4, #569 of 1892 🔗

Well yes and no. Once you’ve started using a term and it has become as established as this one has here, there’s really no honest hiding from the reality that if you stop using it under pressure from those claiming that it’s “offensive”, then you are kowtowing to that tactic. And imo the overuse and over-effectiveness of that tactic is a real and significant problem in our society.

We need to change our culture from one that expects people to police their own speech and thereby enables manipulative scumbags to engage in speech control, back to one that expects a degree of maturity and thick skinnedness on the part of participants in adult society.

So the point is to be very careful only to do that (cease using the term) if you really are very sure that it is genuinely too costly to continue with. Otherwise the response should be to double down on it, on principle.

No compromise, a bit like (though not exactly like) Andrew Neill’s response to the Co-op’s perceived bullying:


179517 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #570 of 1892 🔗

I’ve made the suggestion that Toby should avoid it in the headlines/taglines to articles, in order to not immediately put people off, but should be free to use it in the body of articles – just maybe not quite as often.
I feel the ‘peestain-on-mattress’ image is unnecessarily off-putting (and somewhat juvenile) and should maybe be avoided completely.

In the comments – people who wish to should be free to use it – though it has been interesting and fun to see the various proposed alternative terms that have appeared today in the comments. Variation is a good thing!

179390 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Mark, 2, #571 of 1892 🔗

I can confirm that I have successfully offended loads of people who have been sucked in by the covid-fear hype without ever having used the term.

Maybe I deserve a badge or lanyard or something.

179398 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Tee Ell, 1, #572 of 1892 🔗

that’s a great idea – medals for lockdown sceptics who go above and beyond….

179401 ▶▶ Samhurt, replying to Mark, #573 of 1892 🔗

What is so difficult about letting people say whatever they like, however they like, without reference to semantics or ‘strategy,’ without infantilizing anyone and without insinuating our own prejudices and delicate feelings in the offing? Must you be of any mind except an open one?

179425 ▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Samhurt, 3, #574 of 1892 🔗

Sam, I’m sure you choose your words carefully depending on the situation. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with the term bedwetter but there’s a difference in using the term generally, say when writing on this forum, and saying it to somebody directly if you’re trying to elicit a specific response from them.

For example, it’s one thing to think your boss is an arsehole but another to say it to their face when you’re looking for a pay rise.

179447 ▶▶▶▶ Samhurt, replying to Nobody2020, #575 of 1892 🔗

Of course you’re right, and I understand that people deserve to be reached if they can be. Humor & invective gets some of us over a hump, won’t work for others. All I’m counter-complaining about is the impulse to restrict anyone. That’s all.

179596 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to Samhurt, #576 of 1892 🔗

Now I know you’re American. Land of extremes. And extremists.

179601 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Samhurt, replying to Bruno, -1, #577 of 1892 🔗

You’re a petty snivelling little martinet, aren’t you?

179611 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to Samhurt, #578 of 1892 🔗

That’s more like it. See, the more Shakespearean you can get, the more effective. Keep on sledging.

179637 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Samhurt, replying to Bruno, -1, #579 of 1892 🔗

Could you be any more of a curtains-twitching stereotype?

179417 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Mark, 2, #580 of 1892 🔗

Bedwetters, the term – pros and cons


It’s an apt insult for coronapanickers. It has the right connotations of excessive fearfulness and immaturity. Those people need to be insulted and doing so here helps let off steam and to build team spirit in opposition to them (though almost any apt insult would serve as well for that).

The people objecting to it are mostly using the contemptible “offence” argument against it.


It also has unhelpful connotations of public school bullying and therefore has a bit of an old fashioned upper class vibe.

It undoubtedly puts people off, for various reasons.

179439 ▶▶▶ Samhurt, replying to Mark, -1, #581 of 1892 🔗

So it’s both a class and playground thing, eh? All the more reason to requisition it! It’s the upper classes who are wrecking our countries, after all. What are we, traumatized children? Why burden ourselves with unnecessary pretensions?

179552 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Mark, 3, #582 of 1892 🔗

i agree…and i will continue to use it (and i dont think the public school thing is relevant – over most peoples heads)
but as an alternative how about a “covid snowflake” Most of us already refer to those people that cannot take criticism, reality etc etc as snowflakes and it seems to be a similar mindset in those that will not question the government / MSM covid mantra.

179381 Roadrash, replying to Roadrash, 21, #583 of 1892 🔗

On tests:

  • we know that there are high rates of false positives due to many factors including the CT threshold being used (40 – 45 cycles)
  • we know most of those positives are asymptomatic or mild

On hospital admissions

  • we know that an admission includes those admitted for another ailment but subsequently test positive for Covid in hospital ( whether ill from it or not) and where we will still have the same issue will false positives as above.

on data

  • we know they are now muddying the waters by combining flu and Covid in their reporting
  • we know that they will continue to muddy the waters further by lumping respiratory illnesses together to keep the numbers inflated



on deaths

  • as with admissions we know that Covid deaths include those who have primarily died from other illnesses but are treated as a Covid death anyway and we know that in many instances deaths have been recorded as Covid without any test.


We know the virus acts like every other seasonal virus ( why wouldn’t it) so as we head into winter there will be a normal increase in cases.

we know that this rise isn’t exponential. Data from around the world shows us this. Why would it suddenly be different in the UK.

We know that lockdowns have no appreciable affect on the spread of Covid other than perhaps delay and we can see now that this the case because flu/pneumonia cases are rising this time of year as they do every year.

we know that there is no evidence for the efficacy of masks.

All the above is just a tiny snapshot of the wealth of evidence against current strategy.

So where the testing is seriously flawed, the data in recording admissions or deaths is seriously flawed and the measures introduced to prevent spread are flawed to the point of being useless what really is going on?

surely Governments can’t be so utterly stupid?

I can’t make up my mind whether its gross stupidity combined with a massive arse covering exercise to hide incompetence or something more sinister. I’m inclined to think it is but it is also being used by groups and individuals to push their own agenda (WEF) etc and for others to make monumental amounts of money on the back of it. The perfect storm for us proles.

Ultimately I think we are completely screwed.

179420 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Roadrash, 3, #584 of 1892 🔗

Our politicians are completely nonplussed and bamboozled by science and statistics and have let single minded gloom infected scientists walk all over them instead of managing them like they should have. I think Mrs Thatcher as a trained scientist would have handled the science and stats in a much more realistic manner. They should really follow the evidence not the doom-laden soothsaying.
Even so I think many have woken up to the fact that these ‘infected case’ numbers are getting a bit ridiculous, huge numbers announced everyday but life carries on OK! They are now peddling the potential overwhelming of the NHS. What this seems to mean is that they may not have enough critical care beds in the North West, this does not seem like an insurmountable problem.

179467 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Roadrash, 2, #585 of 1892 🔗

On PCR this has been doing the rounds in Ireland. Confirmation that CT is 40 to 45. Source unconfirmed but it purports to be from the Irish Health authority the HSE

179496 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #586 of 1892 🔗

That information needs to be tweeted widely to people like Peter Hitchens, Julia H-B, Mike Yeadon, Ivor Cummins, Simon Dolan et al..

179387 kf99, replying to kf99, 6, #587 of 1892 🔗

Just caught up with the south park pandemic special linked here a few days ago I’m amazed at how much it on our side – in a very clever way. It’s a must watch.

179415 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to kf99, 1, #588 of 1892 🔗

I’m looking forward to the climate reaching a certain tipping point when the writers can go full bore! We might already be there depending on when it was animated.

179392 Anonymous, replying to Anonymous, 10, #589 of 1892 🔗



With new restrictions to be announced on Monday, Northern leaders are demanding extra powers from the Tory government

Andy Burnham, Mayor of Manchester, demands the ability to heal the sick, with optionally the ability to walk upon water:

“I have almost mastered walking on water myself,” said Mr Burnham, “But without support from central government my healing abilities are limited”

Joe Anderson OBE, Mayor of Liverpool has demanded the ability to raise the dead.

“This is what the people of Liverpool need at this challenging time,” said Mr Anderson,
“It’s completely unfair of the Tories to keep these powers to themselves”

Dan Jarvis MP, Sheffield City Region Mayor, demands £182 billion to make South Yorkshire “Covid Safe”.

This bold plan will include covering the county with warning signage at 2 meter intervals and 17 million public hand sanitizer stations.

No goverment minister was available for comment, other than Robert Jenrick, who is Secretary of State for something or other

179423 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Anonymous, 1, #590 of 1892 🔗

Haha! You might be close to the truth there!

180288 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #591 of 1892 🔗

They do not give a flying fuck about local business, hospitality in these places is a mainstay of the local economies.

179615 ▶▶ annie, replying to Anonymous, #592 of 1892 🔗

But when it comes to slaughter
All the mayors will walk on water,
And you’ll lick the bloomin’ boots of marshals (Covid).

179672 ▶▶ Miss Owl, replying to Anonymous, 1, #593 of 1892 🔗

If only our elected mayors actually stood for something. It’s what they were elected for, after all. There was an interesting piece in today’s Mercola email about the consitutional role of sheriffs: basically, if they choose locally to properly enforce constitutional rights of citizens, then there can be no forced vaccine, no unconstitutional dictats from state governors or the like. I especially liked this sentence:

If enough people get involved, we can create Constitutional counties and take back America, county by county, one sheriff at a time.

The elected mayors should get together, act on behalf of the people who put them there, and refuse to kowtow to this unscientifically-led government. Then we might start getting somewhere.

179393 Mabel Cow, replying to Mabel Cow, 3, #595 of 1892 🔗

On the subject of the bedwetter epithet, I believe the frequent and consistent use of the insult is more important than the actual insult itself.

Some years ago, my Latin teacher would encourage us to loudly mock any pupil who made a mistake in their translation by shouting “Joey!” and then shaking our arms spastically and making groaning sounds.

Needless to say, this treatment was a particularly strong disincentive to letting one’s mind wander in class, and I think our Latin abilities benefited from this social pressure. It wasn’t like being told off by a teacher: there was no way to convince yourself that doing badly in Latin was a badge of honour when every one of your peers was taking the piss out of you.

The Joey in question was a man suffering from cerebral palsy who was being featured on the television series Blue Peter. At the time our teacher did not realise this, and thought that he was just tapping into some popular schoolyard meme. When he learnt the origin of the jeer he was mortified and put a stop to the whole thing. Our Latin lessons were never the same again.

Anyway, the point I’m trying to make here is that whatever insult we land on, the insult must be used .

The more social pressure we can bring to bear on people who uncritically swallow the fear narrative, the more chance we have of turning the tide. However, this will not work if we cannot bring ourselves to utter the insult publicly and frequently.

I personally am not particularly comfortable using the term bedwetter as it opens us up to accusations of unfairness to troubled children and so provides ammunition for our opponents. I would prefer to see something along the lines of sheep or zombie .

Sheep is particularly good because it does not require any PR campaign to explain what it means. If I baaaaaa! at a mask wearer, there is no ambiguity about what I am implying.

Additionally, calling somebody a sheep (or baaing at them) does not require a lengthy discussion about mask wearing or PCR testing. It simply says, “I am your peer and I disapprove of you.”

As a final point to Toby, I’d like to say that the worst outcome here would be to retire bedwetter without replacing it with something else. We need something, and if that something is bedwetter , then so be it.

179408 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Mabel Cow, 6, #596 of 1892 🔗

Whatever anyone thinks, ‘bedwetter’ is firmly established. And if they don’t like it, they need to stop being one. Simples.

179427 ▶▶▶ Samhurt, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #597 of 1892 🔗

Mabel and Tom have the right idea. Surprised at how many of us are all too eager to resemble the lemmings we scoff at every day! Bedwetter is not going anywhere, I don’t care how much piss und drang ye ‘wetters gin up!

179443 ▶▶ PhilipF, replying to Mabel Cow, 3, #598 of 1892 🔗

The use of expressions such as “bedwetter”, ‘”sheep”, “face nappy”, etc is certainly juvenile. But this is no time for sensitivity or playing by the rules. Our opponents aren’t. Mocking works. And even it doesn’t it feels good.

179451 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #599 of 1892 🔗

Joey Deacon

180052 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to CGL, #600 of 1892 🔗

What a laugh I the playground after Blue Peter kids are rather callous.

179484 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Mabel Cow, 3, #601 of 1892 🔗

Personally the term’ bedwetter’ makes me think of the (very old now) children’s book series about a boys’ prep school featuring characters called ‘Jennings’ and ‘Darbishire’. It seems to be used more often by men than women – possibly because it is generally females who deal with the results of ‘real’, literal bedwetting and so have another perspective on the word? And I find the often-used ‘peestain-on-mattress’ image is a bit much and unnecessarily off-putting.

That said I do not wish to curb free speech, but it seems clear that the use of the word bedwetter is clearly off-putting to some people, and we do not wish to do anything that will stop people listening to our message. And remember too, that Toby is seen as a bit of a ‘Marmite’ character in wider society, making it sometimes harder to get his message heard.

I propose a compromise : That Toby avoids using the word ‘bedwetter’ in the headlines or taglines/descriptions of articles in his posts, and also avoids the ‘peestain-on-mattress’ image; BUT can if he wishes, use the word in the main texts, though he might consider more variation between that particular term and others.

In the comments people should be free to use it.


179497 ▶▶▶ Samhurt, replying to Carrie, 1, #602 of 1892 🔗

How about we let others be free to decide for themselves how they choose to express themselves, without reference to public opinion, without fearing what the mob or the Worthies think? Can you not see what you’re doing by even broaching the subject of a ‘compromise’? Why, because a neurotic trembler took issue with a perfectly acceptable tongue-in-cheek term? That’s what bedwetters do, they police language. They sanitize language! Come on, people, what is going on today? We’re supposed to be the free ones, dammit.

179554 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Samhurt, 2, #603 of 1892 🔗

You clearly did not read my comment – I did not say the term should be banned , just that Toby could consider being careful *where* in the texts he uses the term, in order not to immediately put people off – possibly new readers who may already be a bit sceptical about him as a person – and prevent them from reading beyond the headlines… And name-calling is rarely an effective means of persuading people of your argument.

179606 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Carrie, 2, #604 of 1892 🔗

Only that I loved Jennings and Darbisnire. And dear, understanding Mr Carter and irascible Old Wilkie.

179648 ▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to Carrie, #605 of 1892 🔗

‘Seems to be used more often by men than women ‘ . Of course it is. It’s part of that ritual insult strutting that defers and can prevent them actually coming to blows. It’s exactly the same as the way boys use gay, queer, shirt lifter and all the other homosexual insults – they know about it , they fear it, they fear they might be prone to it – it’s a pre emptive strike.

180027 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Carrie, #606 of 1892 🔗

I think l’m with you, Carrie. But I’ve wasted too much time today reading about this topic.
The Jennings stories are enjoyable but I don’t think bedwetting was ever mentioned!
I might as well go completely off topic and mention that my main childhood reading was Enid Blyton, later Richmal Crompton’s William, and WE John’s Biggles and Gimlet, but the William stories are the ones that I can still return to with pleasure

179570 ▶▶ Bruno, replying to Mabel Cow, -1, #607 of 1892 🔗

‘I am your peer and I disapprove of you’ – sure sign of a Karen.

179690 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Bruno, #608 of 1892 🔗

You’ve hurt my feelings. I’d like to speak to your manager, please.

179912 ▶▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to Mabel Cow, -1, #609 of 1892 🔗

Actually I’d just finished upticking some of your other comments, and was so surprised by that one I wondered if you really meant it. As for Uncle Sam of the Hurt Feelings, to be fair, they probably mean something different by public school than we do. Always perilous to meddle in other countries’ linguistic bunfights, the nuances get lost in translation.

179572 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #610 of 1892 🔗

Ok, I’ll go with sheep, covers all the bases.

179688 ▶▶▶ Samhurt, replying to karenovirus, 1, #611 of 1892 🔗

Baaah, I’ll conform, baah. The irony!

I really thought I had found a special group of folks on this site. I should’ve known the same madness, the same jealous zeal I encounter every day in the politically correct world would find it way here. Language control is the road to Hell. It’s a big part of why our civilisation is collapsing. What is it about prudery that you all find so appealing? What is so compelling about forcing your sensitivities on other people?

179707 ▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Samhurt, 1, #612 of 1892 🔗

The desire to choose our words carefully has nothing to do with conformity or political correctness.

We want to win, and winning will require that we convert the general public to our way of thinking.

If the language we choose causes the general public to ignore our message then we are not being effective.

179718 ▶▶▶▶▶ Samhurt, replying to Mabel Cow, #613 of 1892 🔗

Bedwetter was just a word, and now it is a cudgel. Every time you give ground to some trembling neurotic complainer, you are sharpening the knife that will eventually cut off your own tongue. Isn’t this obvious? If not, why not? You and the rest of the Grundies on this site gave it a power it didn’t have. And now you are providing a solution to a problem of your own invention.

This is the kind of mercenary thinking that propagandists deal in. That you even think in terms of conversion says it all, dunnit? So this isn’t about Truth. It’s about opinion. Power.

Thanks for clearing that up.

179770 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Samhurt, #614 of 1892 🔗

Of course it’s about power.

The government has all the power and I have none.

They can do anything they damn well like to me, and not only is there nothing I can do about it, but the general public happily supports whatever the government suggests.

I’m just looking for anything that will stop my family’s last breath having the almond taste of Zyklon B. The Truth will be of little value to me when I’m lying in a mass grave.

179575 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #615 of 1892 🔗

Joey Deacon. I was at primary school during “peak Joey” we all did it. Sticking our toungues into our lower lip, flapping our arms about, smacking one hand on top of the other one or against your face and going “nuuuuung Joey!”

A totally universal thing to do back in 1981 for school kids.

Joey was the first person with cerebral palsy ever to be on the telly, when he appeared we as a nation of youngsters were shocked to see such a disability. The message was people like this are just like us despite their disability. Ground breaking stuff. At that time people with CP were often “cared for” in “mental asylums” and never integrated with the outside world.

It was the start of community integration.


179399 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 12, #616 of 1892 🔗

Its amazing how many still think this is about a virus which was downgraded in March to low mortality. So many still can’t see that the Fear of it will bring about a Vaccine ID which will control movement for the more ‘sustainable’ planet Agenda 21 is all about. All of the silly rules, 6 people, 30 funerals, 15 weddings, 10pm curfew, all bring the people into a control mindset, that no longer can you just do as you want, makes the ID bit easier to accept, they hope.

179442 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #617 of 1892 🔗

Exactly – well said!

179407 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 9, #618 of 1892 🔗

Justs ent to teh BMA along with my e-mail from June just for the hell of it:


Well 4 moths has passed since you ignored my previous e-mail but after reading about your press reelase yesterday and your call for more mask and face covering wearing I had a bad case of deja vu except thsi time I have heard of your members saying “they do not represent us” or “they never asked us our opinion” or “they took it upon themselves to say this, nothing to do with the members”.

My comments and questions in the previous e-mail still stand.

More evidence has come to light over the past 4 months that mask wearing or face coverings work but are actually detrimental to people’s physical and mental health in addition to teh one’s quoted in my original e-mail.

One further question to add to those in my prevsious e-mail you never answered – how will restricting alcohol sales stop transmission of a virus?

Maybe this time you might condecend to reply with something meaningful and based on facts and science that can be verified and is not just soundbites, whishful thinking and pro-narrative “do as you are told by your betters” agenda following totallitarian edicts and dictat.

My local Patient’s Group – please pass this onto the surgery. Thank you.

179564 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #619 of 1892 🔗

Arise Sir Awkward of Git.

179409 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 10, #620 of 1892 🔗

I really hope John Ioannidis, who correctly forecast that this would be a largely nosocomial disease, gets an apology for the attacks on him for some of his earlier studies. The latest one in the links today, has this very important part…

Global infection fatality rate is 0.15‐0.20% (0.03‐0.04% in those <70 years)

179430 ▶▶ TyLean, replying to PoshPanic, 5, #621 of 1892 🔗

An apology? Oh no, he was already the enemy before all of this for daring to be a proper scientist and point out how much of the “science” happening is utter pants. He’s a very rare breed indeed and should be receiving awards, but he won’t get anything but abuse and might even lose his career. We’re going the way of Trofim Lysenko, and those who opposed his idiocy were executed or thrown into the Gulag. We think it’s bad now, but this is a cake walk compared to how bad it can get.

179571 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to TyLean, 1, #622 of 1892 🔗

Let’s hope it doesn’t get that far.

179460 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to PoshPanic, 5, #623 of 1892 🔗

Not a chance. Those that trashed him had agendas that are yet to be haulted. Almost as soon as I had heard of CV-19 his name was being mentioned. And PCR was being discussed as flawed. That Globalist agendas were behind this. And it’s still rolling on.

179410 DRW, 4, #624 of 1892 🔗

What a depressing winter we’re getting with Lockdown II, continued coronabollocks and a cancelled Christmas. And with less furlough, it’ll be much worse for many.

179414 Brian, 17, #625 of 1892 🔗

Why Lockdown makes sense
You are told people are getting ill
You are told that people have investigated this and have concluded that it is a new illness that is going to spread.
You are told that the rate of spread and seriousness of the illness is such that action must be taken.
You are told more people are getting this new illness and dying from it.
You are told that unless action is taken 500,000 could die.
You are told that the only way to stop this is a lockdown.
You are told that you must lockdown healthy people to stop them getting ill
You are told even if they do not appear ill they could be and they could make others ill.
You are told that positive tests for illness are accurate.
You are told that a positive test is a case and this means more will get ill
You are told that people wearing masks helps to stop people getting ill.

You believe everything you are told and do not listen to those who say the opposite.

179428 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 7, #626 of 1892 🔗

New Covid symptom

Margaret Ferrier the SNP MP who went to Parliament, church and by train from London to Scotland after being tested positive says
“having Coronovirus makes you act out of character…”

Sun In Sunday (don’t ask)

179432 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to karenovirus, 3, #627 of 1892 🔗

Another symptom to add to the list…

179542 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to karenovirus, 3, #628 of 1892 🔗

So does that excuse anyone else who breaks self-isolation?

Thought not.

179433 TyRade, replying to TyRade, 3, #629 of 1892 🔗

‘Bedwetters’? Sticks and stones….. surely? Where on the totem of insult does it come below ‘denier’ etc? As Obama said, never bring a knife to a gun fight.

179514 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to TyRade, 2, #630 of 1892 🔗

I thought that was Sean Connery in The Untouchables?

179646 ▶▶▶ TyRade, replying to Fingerache Philip., #631 of 1892 🔗

I think Obama got the role after Connery buggered off to spend more time with his avoided tax

180042 ▶▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to TyRade, #632 of 1892 🔗

Fuck Obummer another one who should be up against a wall

179693 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #633 of 1892 🔗

Specifically “just like a wop to bring a knife to a gun fight”

179700 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to matt, #634 of 1892 🔗

Yes, I remember now.

179435 TyRade, 10, #635 of 1892 🔗

Since it’s evident more people are tasing positive for the plague in hospital than in bars, can we shut down the NHS please? Oh, wait…

179436 mhcp, 7, #636 of 1892 🔗

My brother tested positive. He has flu like symptoms too. Still I told him to try and see the details of his test as it is his medical record after all. Will be interesting to see the cycle rate if he does manage to get it. I suspect it will be an uphill battle though.

He’s a teacher as well!

179444 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 1, #637 of 1892 🔗

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54498191 a second national lockdown?

179473 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to p02099003, 2, #638 of 1892 🔗

The strategy is to offer up possibilities to ensure higher compliance, has been from the start. Fear is the tool of choice.

179475 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to p02099003, 2, #639 of 1892 🔗

These things are put out in the public sphere.The government then measures the pushback and then decides whether to proceed.I think it was the reaction to dumb and dumbers graph of doom then stopped/postponed a 2nd national lockdown.They are stilLitching to lock us down again but don’t know whether the public will suffer it.We are being governed by SPI-B

179550 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 4, #640 of 1892 🔗

It was the total lack of public pushback from Leicester…West of Scotland….Outer Manchester…..Aberdeen…….Glasgow…….bits of Wales……West Midlands……Lancashire……….

179538 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to p02099003, #641 of 1892 🔗

It already is oop North, Creeping closer to us soft southerners.

179658 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to karenovirus, #642 of 1892 🔗

Just in time for Christmas?

179491 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #644 of 1892 🔗

What a surprise – not!

179450 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 5, #645 of 1892 🔗

The conformist reaction of the British population should be no surprise.

This is ‘Blair’s Britain’ and it is also ‘Beveridge’s Britain’

The same people who voted with a show of hands to bring power cuts, production stoppages to most factories, collieries, in the land 50 years ago will happily don masks in ‘solidarity’ with the ‘Save Our NHS’ soap opera.

And those ‘expert’ officials whose ‘science’ we are supposedly following will no doubt be members of one public sector union or another, all such organisations resolutely opposed, for reasons of economic, political subversion, to any amelioration of the by now hilariously dotty lockdown measures: Democratic Socialist ‘Big State’ Britain

Only constant pressure applied through parliament and the courts can provide a way out of this hopeless lunacy……and to a very long electoral winter for the conservative party.

One ray of sunshine may be that the generation locked in halls of residence, struggling to get qualifications, will get the hang of just how distasteful it is to live in an increasingly totalitarian state……

179474 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Tim Bidie, 6, #646 of 1892 🔗

‘Blair’s Britain’ and it is also ‘Beveridge’s Britain’”

What an utter load of tripe.And an insult to those who actually brought about the post-war settlement.

As ‘stupid as a Johnson’; as the saying goes.

179505 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to RickH, 2, #647 of 1892 🔗

Yes, don’t insult the “true” new Jerusalem

179561 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #648 of 1892 🔗

Nah. It’s just about talking bollocks when we’re dealing dealing with the the legacy of the 1980s regression.

179527 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to RickH, 1, #649 of 1892 🔗

Intemperate language says so much….

And others managed to use ‘The Marshall Plan’ to so much greater effect than Attlee and Beveridge, plain for all to see….to this day….

179556 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Tim Bidie, #650 of 1892 🔗

Yes – as I noted with your prejudiced and irrelevant nonsense.

180045 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to RickH, #651 of 1892 🔗

Vapid insults, the hallmarked currency of bigotry.

179593 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Tim Bidie, 1, #652 of 1892 🔗

And now we have the Covid Marshall Plan, bringing fear and slavery to the masses.

179532 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Tim Bidie, 4, #653 of 1892 🔗

Three of your rays of sunshine positively beamed when asking me “has it been bad down here?” and my reply
“Nah, it’s all a load of old bollocks”.
🌅 🌄 🌅

179576 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Tim Bidie, 1, #654 of 1892 🔗

I would say there were always two broad underlying strands on the left: those seeking material gains for working class British people, and those with other ideological goals around other radical changes to society, identity politics, internationalism, pacifism, etc. These strands often of course coexisted in many of the early prominent figures.

Almost all of the objectives of the left around the turn of the C19th/C20th were achieved during the mid-C20th, including massive improvements in the material well-being of the working classes and the destruction of the power of the old aristocracy, though a few such as eugenics fell by the wayside. Heavy taxation and massive spending, state welfare and control of health and education were established, and remain in place, now accepted by the entirety of the ruling political establishment.

In the 1970s direct state management of industry collapsed under the weight of its own inherent stupidity, but while that was rolled back the rest of the left’s agenda remained dominant. In the resulting shifts, the Labour and establishment left basically stopped representing indigenous working class interests and turned entirely to the aforementioned ideological interests – internationalism, cultural radicalism and identity politics.

And that’s where we are now, with the left firmly in charge but riven by an internal conflict between the Blairite and zealot factions, who broadly agree about the objectives but have some differences on details such as Palestine and war-making, the US alliance, and how aggressively to harvest the magic money trees.

179452 DeepBlueYonder, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 1, #655 of 1892 🔗

Has Professor Devi Sridhar’s position changed? She is now saying “Continual lockdowns are not the answer to bringing Covid under control” (Guardian 10/10/20) Has she broken with so-called ‘Independent Sage’?

179462 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 1, #656 of 1892 🔗

She been pretty consistent on this. She advocates for zero covid which, if achieved, would mean no need for continual lockdowns.

179747 ▶▶ Basics, replying to DeepBlueYonder, #657 of 1892 🔗

See the interview I posted above. She appears in a slippery fashion to have been aware of the economic destruction and death etc lockdowns cause months ago. The interview clearly sets out her positiin then – at least for the moments of the interview. Rhodes Trust interview youtube.

179453 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 5, #658 of 1892 🔗

The UK has lowered its Covid-19 alert level from 4 to 3, meaning transmission of the virus is no longer judged to be “high or exponentially rising” Guardian

179466 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #659 of 1892 🔗

Well – nobody except the dumb and those with a financial interest in the pharmaceutical industry – or the Groan – ever though it was.

179470 ▶▶ Margaret, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #660 of 1892 🔗

Can you post a link for this please? I can only find where this happened in June.

179471 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #661 of 1892 🔗

Great, we don’t need more lockdowns then.

179515 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #662 of 1892 🔗

Must be to untrigger somewheres threshold, perhaps bozo wants to go to The Maldives.

179525 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Dan Clarke, #663 of 1892 🔗

How bizarre! Why would they do that now?

179454 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 2, #664 of 1892 🔗

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54465733 about the BCG TB vaccination, which was actually quite ineffective. I know that I was vaccinated in the 1970’s.

179501 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to p02099003, 1, #665 of 1892 🔗

Me and every kid in my school had that, got the upper arm scare to prove it.

179455 Will, replying to Will, 2, #666 of 1892 🔗

Can someone post a link to the legal disclaimer the UK government have granted vaccine developers, please.

179489 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Will, 1, #667 of 1892 🔗

Yes, that would be good to see!

179748 ▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Carrie, 1, #668 of 1892 🔗
179479 DeepBlueYonder, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 5, #669 of 1892 🔗

Could we on this forum collectively engage in some citizen social science?

How, for example, would we go about answering the following two questions (and are they even formulated correctly)?

In respect of all Pillar 1 and Pillar 2 PCR (polymerase chain reaction) testing for the coronavirus SARS-CoV2 in the UK between 1 March 2020 and nn October, 2020:

(i) what definition has been used to determine that a test is ‘positive’
(ii) the range, mean, median, and modal number of amplification cycles used as the threshold in relation to any ‘positive’ PCR tests.

What are the possible sources of data for answering these questions?

179547 ▶▶ RickH, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 1, #670 of 1892 🔗

Good questions. No answers.

179943 ▶▶ Bruno, replying to DeepBlueYonder, #671 of 1892 🔗

Maybe send them to the members of the Commons Science and Technology Committee, which is shortly resuming its sittings? Two of its Labour members, Butler and Stringer, were notable for being among the select few who voted against renewal of the Coronavirus Act.

180021 ▶▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to Bruno, #672 of 1892 🔗

Thanks – a very good suggestion!

179481 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 9, #673 of 1892 🔗

So the NHS may be overwhelmed. Meaning that the money spent last time building hospitals was wasted. Otherwise why worry about being overwhelmed.

No chain of logic at all

179493 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to mhcp, 1, #674 of 1892 🔗

Same old scare tactics all over again.
A music promoter that I have a deal of respect for generally tells me that ICU beds in Manchester and Merseyside are full or nearly full of Covids, now where did he pick that up from ?

179524 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to karenovirus, 4, #675 of 1892 🔗

Interesting question about the power of Chinese whispers. I have come across similar hyperbole when a very quick look at the data would tell you that its all bollocks.

It shows the power of blanket propaganda.

179613 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to RickH, 2, #676 of 1892 🔗

It’s the use of the word “case” for positive test. I’ve had the discussion with several people. Most who don’t bother looking assume “case” = “hospitalised”

179483 wildboar, replying to wildboar, 18, #677 of 1892 🔗

Toby, on the day that you ask us to sign 3 petitions to defend people who have lost income or work opportunities because of what they have said or written, you ask if a complaint from one over-sensitive individual should moderate your own behaviour, and stop you and perhaps us also from using the word “bedwetter”.

I signed the 3 petitions to defend free speech. If you wish to start another free speech petition to defend the use of the term “bedwetter”, I shall sign that too. I also agree with the right of moronic traitors to use the word “covidiot” against those who meet up to enjoy the company of friends, although I strongly disagree with the use of that term.

If there is to be free speech, it has to be for everyone and for every segment of society, and the choice of words, as long as there are no direct or implied threats, can be as disparaging or as complimentary as the individual feels apt.

In short, my individual advice is to ignore the bedwetter who complained.

179521 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to wildboar, 1, #678 of 1892 🔗

I’ve seen the term oxygen thieves to describe non mask wearers.

179548 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #679 of 1892 🔗

What greedy, antisocial non- volk we are. MW

179602 ▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #680 of 1892 🔗

I like that term—oxygen thief–and I happily adopt the moniker. I shall continue to ‘steal’ as much oxygen as I can get away with. I also understand that the penalty for such an infringement will be a healthier set of lungs and a more robust immune system. This is one crime I heartily and enthusiastically endorse!

179605 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to PoshPanic, #681 of 1892 🔗

There was me thinking that the masked were actually rationing oxygen, cutting back as it were.

179560 ▶▶ Samhurt, replying to wildboar, -1, #682 of 1892 🔗

Hear hear, wildboar! There’s something strange in the air today, must be. The Sceptics seem to have been infiltrated by a cell of crypto-bedwetters! Hopefully freedom and fun win out, but prudery is as pathological as the ‘rona, and just as contagious!

179486 Guirme, replying to Guirme, 10, #683 of 1892 🔗

Coronaphobics is a highly appropriate term to use to describe those who are living in a state of perpetual fear of the virus. Phobia is a medically recognised term and is not a value laden deliberate insult; we must strive to wean these people off their fear if we are to have hope for the future.

As for those truly nasty people who report neighbours and friends then I believe the term Covid Nazi is wholly appropriate. Yes it is a value laden term but people who behave in such an evil and antisocial manner deserve our condemnation.

179506 ▶▶ Nic, replying to Guirme, 3, #684 of 1892 🔗

Agree but because of them all our lives are being fucked up . Can we really do this till may next year!

179544 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Nic, 1, #685 of 1892 🔗

I think a scathing touch of reality might be apposite :

‘Friends of Cancer’ or ‘Heart Attackers’?

(given the hard reality of what these attitude are actually doing)

179546 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Guirme, 4, #686 of 1892 🔗

I think Coronaphobics hits the nail on the head and doesn’t unduly insult others. I think COVID Nazi should be reserved for the COVID Marshalls only.

179551 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to JHuntz, 2, #687 of 1892 🔗

And Piers Morgan

179614 ▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to PoshPanic, #688 of 1892 🔗

Can’t argue with that haha

180015 ▶▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #689 of 1892 🔗

And that cunt dr on GMTV

179654 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Guirme, #690 of 1892 🔗

Yep, coronaphobics is better!

179507 chaos, replying to chaos, 12, #691 of 1892 🔗

Don’t bother with the comments today folks. Most pointlessly discussing the term bedwetter.

179526 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to chaos, 4, #692 of 1892 🔗

Everyones wetting the bed over bedwetters, oh the irony!

179565 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to chaos, -1, #693 of 1892 🔗

well the echo chamber has done all the covid stuff to death, and we seem to be all convinced – but consensus is comfortable place to be…

179604 ▶▶ Mark, replying to chaos, 3, #694 of 1892 🔗

So people commenting on Toby’s blog page are discussing one of the points he raised in today’s blog entry?

Seems legit, to me.

179508 Basics, replying to Basics, 3, #695 of 1892 🔗


A heart felt and therefore sweary, but catchy sing song about the Scottish shite. Really good. 2 mins.

Apolohies if already posted.

179670 ▶▶ Samhurt, replying to Basics, -1, #696 of 1892 🔗

Careful, Basics, harsh language is frowned upon here nowadays.

179518 cubby, replying to cubby, 3, #697 of 1892 🔗

While I disagree that the use of “spastic” as a derogatory term was ever acceptable I appreciate that the term “bedwetter” might be offensive to the many thousands of people who suffer from bladder problems and I agree it probably ought to be dropped.

As an alternative might I suggest “mimosa” which is a sensitive plant which reacts at the slightest touch. This action looks like it’s shrinking in fear. It might well describe the oversensitive nature of our face mask wearing fellow citizens without causing offence to any innocent bystanders.

179519 ▶▶ Chris John, replying to cubby, #698 of 1892 🔗

And mimosas are yellow too?

179807 ▶▶▶ cubby, replying to Chris John, #699 of 1892 🔗

Without turning this into Gardener’s Question Time, I think it’s a type of acacia which is green but might have yellow flowers.

179543 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to cubby, 4, #700 of 1892 🔗

seems to be good arguments on both sides and I’m undecided.
A compromise could be – not use ‘bedwetters’ above the line , but comments section peeps can say what they want, as we do

179569 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Major Panic, #701 of 1892 🔗

A constructive suggestion

179578 ▶▶▶▶ Samhurt, replying to Julian, -3, #702 of 1892 🔗

So now it’s about ‘optics’and ‘branding,’ eh? Marketing the cause, eh?

180053 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Samhurt, 1, #703 of 1892 🔗

Why not? Don’t we want to win this propaganda war?

180156 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Samhurt, replying to Julian, #704 of 1892 🔗

Are we in the business of propaganda, then? I thought we cared about truth. We don’t need to evangelise if the evidence speaks for itself! I cannot believe what I am witnessing on this website today. It really looks like most people need a box to sit in. They need to be yoked to something, even if it’s just some piddling attempt at linguistic decorum. All to avoid offending the enemy!

180202 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ watashi, replying to Samhurt, 1, #705 of 1892 🔗

surely it’s a war against the propaganda? we seek the truth. the mimosa bedwetters do not.

180254 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Samhurt, replying to watashi, #706 of 1892 🔗

That’s what I believed, watashi. What a dreary turn of events!

179579 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 3, #707 of 1892 🔗

so to clarify – Toby and Will might chose to stop using the term ‘bedwetters’ above the line but the individuals will continue to use the term ‘bedwetters’ in the comments section below the line if they chose.

179592 ▶▶▶▶ Samhurt, replying to Major Panic, -3, #708 of 1892 🔗

How is that anything other than an appeal to the mob-minded, the snobs, the over-sensitive and the censorious amongst us? Do you have any idea what kind of behavior that would reward? What sort of precedent that sets??

179597 ▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Samhurt, 1, #709 of 1892 🔗

(if they stopped using bedwetters above the line no one down here would notice – and LS would do more good persuading the bedwetters than simply telling us what we want to hear)

179649 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Samhurt, replying to Major Panic, -4, #710 of 1892 🔗

At the expense of personality, wit, irony and fun. Got it.

What petulant censorious rot. Pathetic.

179675 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Samhurt, 1, #711 of 1892 🔗

well nice try, i like being persuaded that I’m wrong as I often am, but your ration argument hasn’t persuaded me this time

180009 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Samhurt, #712 of 1892 🔗


180149 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Samhurt, replying to Jaguarpig, #713 of 1892 🔗

I guess people just need to be managed. Hypocrites!

180008 ▶▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Major Panic, #714 of 1892 🔗

Who gives a fuck what the posh boys want say it how it is.

179650 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Major Panic, 2, #715 of 1892 🔗

I have written the same thing!

179568 ▶▶ Telpin, replying to cubby, 9, #716 of 1892 🔗

For me this isn’t so much about free speech v not giving offence. It should be about whether it’s effective. Personally I don’t think it is. We should engage with the arguments and data – because that is where our position is stronger

179574 ▶▶▶ Samhurt, replying to Telpin, -4, #717 of 1892 🔗

And this is how politically correct thinking spreads. What are you all drinking today?

179617 ▶▶▶▶ Telpin, replying to Samhurt, 7, #718 of 1892 🔗

I’m so angry most days I openly use far, far stronger words than bed wetters . My point is that when we’re trying to persuade said bed wetters, calling them names doesn’t help. A personal view and one that is never use to limit anyone’s freedom of speech- something I feel equally passionate about. But whatever name is used it’s a distraction- set against the loss of civil liberties, crashing of our economy, culture and way of life.

179621 ▶▶▶▶▶ Telpin, replying to Telpin, 2, #719 of 1892 🔗

That I never use to limit…

179662 ▶▶▶▶▶ Samhurt, replying to Telpin, -2, #720 of 1892 🔗

All you are saying is that most people are hopelessly close-minded, hyper-literal and humourless. Maybe that’s true, but I don’t believe in pandering to anyone’s delicate sensitivities and I don’t believe in controlling language. I thought I had found a like-minded community in you all, but I see I was wrong.

179679 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Samhurt, 1, #721 of 1892 🔗

The hardest first step is to admit you are wrong – well done

179666 ▶▶ JohnMac, replying to cubby, 2, #722 of 1892 🔗

I don’t think they’re cowardly. I think they’re gullible.

179793 ▶▶▶ cubby, replying to JohnMac, 1, #723 of 1892 🔗

I completely agree. I usually refer to them as “morons” which is probably not PC either as it’s insulting to morons but since a moron has an IQ under 70 they won’t understand the reference anyway. Bedwetters are, however, cowardly in their blind acceptance of propaganda, and are therefore guilty of behaving in a moronic fashion.

179529 JHuntz, replying to JHuntz, 6, #724 of 1892 🔗

Thoroughly depressing stats:-

Overall, the public support the latest COVID-19 restrictions. Seven in ten (72%) support the notion that people should work from home wherever possible, 71% agree that face masks should be compulsory for bar staff and non-seated customers, shop workers and waiters and 70% agree with the introduction of table service only in bars, restaurants and pubs.
There are lower levels of support for a potential “circuit breaker” lockdown where hospitality venues close for a short period (58%) and continuing the “rule of six” and limits on socialising over Christmas (55%). Meanwhile 44% support pubs, bars and restaurants closing at 10pm (vs. 27% opposing), almost half (49%) support limiting guests at wedding from 30 to 15. Two-thirds also support fines for not wearing masks or following rules increasing to £200 for first offence
There has however been a drop in the number of people who support the 10pm closure of pubs, bars and restaurants. A fortnight ago, 58% supported the measure while 16% opposed. This week, 44% supported this measure while 27% oppose.
In line with the above, people are continuing to err on the side of caution when it comes to the measures in place. Half (53%) lean towards the view that coronavirus threatens a large number of lives and we need strong measures in place to keep us safe. On the other hand, 24% lean more towards the belief that the measures in place are too damaging and we need to learn to live with Coronavirus for the time being. The vast majority of people (88%) are still generally or strictly following the rules.

How do the public think the country can sustain itself with everyone working from home full time where possible, pubs closing at 10 with all the measures in place and weddings at 15 capacity. Clearly, the people in favour of these measures are intellectually challenged and economically illiterate. That is a tough sect of the population to convert.

179590 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to JHuntz, 5, #725 of 1892 🔗

If the poll is trustworthy. There’s a lot of disinformation going on out there atm.

179645 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #726 of 1892 🔗

77th brigade fixing the polls…

179669 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to JHuntz, #727 of 1892 🔗

Same public that support this intrusion into private life who voted governments of Blair / Cameron and Johnson. Frankly, at least they are getting what they deserve.

179723 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to JHuntz, 3, #728 of 1892 🔗

I don’t believe these polls and I don’t understand how these figures are arrived at. I once was asked to take part in a poll by telephone (it was in the evening many years ago) and I agreed. However, it became clear very early on that this poll was designed to elicit views that the organisers wanted to hear; the questions were loaded and the choice of answers was also loaded. I said to the lady several times that I wouldn’t choose ANY of the answers and wanted to question the assumptions made in the questions themselves.
I am certain (but I cannot prove it) that these polls are similarly slanted.
A typical example would be (this is rather crude but it does illustrate the point ‘Are you in favour of lowering the speed limit to 20 mph if it would save lives’. How can anyone answer ‘No’ to that question? And assuming some people did (I would say no by the way), when the poll is published the all-important protasis is dropped.
Nonetheless, the phrasing of of the question does not entirely answer the clear bias in the polls. There is something else going here and I am not sure what it is. But I am sure that the way the question is phrased is crucially important. Pace Brexit, the ‘authorities’ have learned of the dangers of a straightforward question and will not make that ‘mistake’ again.

179745 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Stephanos, #729 of 1892 🔗


Do you agree that people suffering from mental illness should be cared for in the community?


Do you want a hostel for mad people next door to you?

179759 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Stephanos, 1, #730 of 1892 🔗

“I don’t believe these polls and I don’t understand how these figures are arrived at.”

I don’t think these polls are genuinely representative of public opinion.

I probably wouldn’t complete, for example a yougov poll, but persons with a certain mindset might.

I was asked to complete a mori poll last year (came in the post). I thought, “Oh I can’t be bothered with this”, and binned it. Perhaps I should have filled it in, but I didn’t.

There also seems to be a popular view that these pollsters are paragons of virtue, completely honest and immune to the influence of outside vested interests. I’m not convinced that they necessarily are.

179913 ▶▶ John P, replying to JHuntz, #731 of 1892 🔗


Your post could just as easily be government propaganda.

179535 Matt The Cat, replying to Matt The Cat, 5, #732 of 1892 🔗

I don’t see anything wrong with the word “bedwetter”.

“Ninny” is a possible alternative, I guess.

179549 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Matt The Cat, 5, #733 of 1892 🔗


179587 ▶▶ Samhurt, replying to Matt The Cat, #734 of 1892 🔗

How about a compound of both! More speech, not less, isn’t that right, fellow sceptics, fellow defenders of freethought?

179539 JohnMac, replying to JohnMac, 14, #735 of 1892 🔗

And now we have Prince William saying we have ten years to ‘save the planet’, whatever that means. I’m drifting towards republicanism, not something I thought I’d ever say. At what point do these people get that they should stay out of politics?

179563 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to JohnMac, 9, #736 of 1892 🔗

Like father like son. Not the sharpest tool in the box. I agree with you completely.

180001 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #737 of 1892 🔗

As the late great Anthony Bourdain said those spikes around buck palace would look much better decorated with their heads.

179573 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to JohnMac, 4, #738 of 1892 🔗

Is this a variant of “100 months to save the planet”? That’s eight years and four months. Here’s an article from Guardian about this:


Note the year. Still waiting.

And there’s this, from Prince Charles, as reported in the Telegraph:


That one’s from 2009. Still waiting.

Just another gang of liars who don’t know what they’re talking about.

Carry on as normal everybody, nothing to see here…

179545 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, #739 of 1892 🔗

Re the GB Declaration, instead of being perennial victims, why don’t they sort out the verification process around medics signing the thing and pay Google to be too result?

179622 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, #740 of 1892 🔗

*top result

179627 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Tom Blackburn, #741 of 1892 🔗

Do you have a source for the claim they’re complaining about it and acting the victim?

I’m sure they (the declaration authors) would appreciate it if we paid for them to be top result. Or we could spread the message and get people to click it / sign it, create lots of links to in in lots of other high-traffic places – that would also cause the algorithm to push it higher.

179683 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Tee Ell, #742 of 1892 🔗

Plenty of pragmatic options.

179553 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 29, #743 of 1892 🔗

As posted in the comments on Peter Hitchens’ blog by yours truly:

Editors of the newspapers must now come together on this one, important subject. We are governed by the insane (politicians) and evil (the Dr Frankensteins infesting both SAGE committees).

Through their editorials, the press must now declare that the time for mass civil disobedience against so-called “Coronavirus restrictions” has come. We are a free people, not a culture in a petri dish. This evil MUST stop. Now.

Do your duty, media, make the call.

179586 ▶▶ annie, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #744 of 1892 🔗

Hear hear!

179689 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to annie, #745 of 1892 🔗


179642 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #746 of 1892 🔗

‘a free people, not a culture in a petri dish’ – brilliant…

179691 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Carrie, #747 of 1892 🔗


180522 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #748 of 1892 🔗

And admit they are responsible for the panic in the first place?
Not likely.

179557 See - owe to Rich, replying to See - owe to Rich, 9, #749 of 1892 🔗

This is the first time I have commented here for many months. Toby, you may therefore give more or less weight to this comment as you wish.

The term “bedwetter” had also irked me, though not to the point of complaining about it. As free speech, you obviously have the right to continue using it, but I don’t think it helps you gain any moral high ground with a nasty term like this. So yes, retire it, please.

179630 ▶▶ Samhurt, replying to See - owe to Rich, 1, #750 of 1892 🔗

Incredible how fast the termites eat the house. No! Enough with this soap opera! You are wrong. Your faction here is wrong. This is the opposite of free thinking. You and the rest of you thumbs-upperers are treading into dark dark territory with this. I’m so disappointed in so many of you today! What happened to you all? You’re becoming the people you scoff at!

179713 ▶▶▶ See - owe to Rich, replying to Samhurt, 1, #751 of 1892 🔗

Samhurt, thanks for the only reply, even if yours is a bit of a rant. I believe that followers can use any language they like, but leaders, like Toby, need to be a little more circumspect. Because we want them to find respect from outside our sceptic bubble.

179562 Crazy Hoarse, replying to Crazy Hoarse, 10, #752 of 1892 🔗

I’ll stop saying bedwetter when this hysteria ends and we can go back to normality. People who cower behind masks and jump out of the way when another human being comes within 6 feet of them should be roundly mocked. Bedwetters of the world unite. You have nothing to lose but your dignity

179595 ▶▶ See - owe to Rich, replying to Crazy Hoarse, 4, #753 of 1892 🔗

Fair enough, but as I wrote in reply to someone else, I don’t mind you and other commenters saying or writing it. I mind Toby writing it.

179625 ▶▶▶ Samhurt, replying to See - owe to Rich, 1, #754 of 1892 🔗

Abysmal. If you mind it, fine, you have a right to be a snob – but stop trying to impose your sensitivities on others. Political Correctness is a mind-killer! You’re setting a terrible example for freethinkers, here. Is this who we really are? Another bunch of squeamish effeminates with language complexes?

179639 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to See - owe to Rich, 1, #755 of 1892 🔗


179582 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 7, #756 of 1892 🔗


Rather interesting information about long covid. In Sweden there is a payment for sick leave which can be extended up to 6 mths. Then sick pay from the General Insurance scheme ceases. Then persons must negotiate with other bodies if the sick pay should be extended or if they have to modify their work arrangements etc. At the moment about 500-600 have been on sick leave for about 6 months. Is it much?
They have all most likely been sick from March April in the first wave. Thousands of people were ill at that time but difficult to estimate as testing was restricted at that time mostly to hospitalized cases. About 1300 persons have been hospitalized in ICU care in Sweden in the working age and the majority in the peak March and April. Let us say roughly 1000 and perhaps even though not all of them were working, we know that ICU cases are the most severe and would be most prone to long term sickness. Therefore, I think 500-600 long term sick 6 months later cannot be an excessive amount of long term covid cases. Very reasonable to think about 5% level. But if we had instead 1000 flu cases in this age interval in ICU wouldn’t we have roughly the same amount? Long covid exists but most likely in the range of flu.

179635 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to swedenborg, 13, #757 of 1892 🔗

‘Long Covid’ is fear porn. It is nothing new to take some time to fully recover from a moderate – severe viral infection. Before the Scamdemic nobody would have thought much of it. When did anyone talk about ‘Long Flu’ or ‘Long Bronchitis’? We used to use the word ‘chronic’ for these conditions but this is such obvious fear porn propaganda that they have now re-branded it with a scary new name!

Everyone should pour scorn on this bollocks and absolutely not buy in!

MW and AG, elderly sufferers of ‘Long Bronchitis’ since January and, would you believe, actually as fit as fiddles!

179664 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 3, #758 of 1892 🔗

Having had my own life saving trauma twice. I personally felt that I want to get on with things and not malinger and the net result has been zero colds or flus of significant concern and not one sick day in over 5 years.

Whereas I know people who will have a week in bed with a minor cold. It’s impossible to prove “long” anything as it’s entirely subjective. If someone wants to be unwell that’s up to them. When you really are unwell you know it and you never want to be unwell again in my view.

179883 ▶▶▶ maggie may, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 2, #759 of 1892 🔗

I agree with you. As soon as university students started getting covid and sensible people said oh well they won’t get it badly so let them go ahead, it’s a good thing, the PTB had to come up with a way of putting the fear of God back into us about young people and covid. So they came up with the idea that they would be ‘scarred for life’ by it.

Excellent piece i read on here, called Do Medical Complications and Lingering Effects make Covid more Dangerous (or something similar) which points out that actually flu has long-term effects and is more dangerous in this respect to the young.

179636 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to swedenborg, 4, #760 of 1892 🔗

I read an article over here a while back, saying that some of the people claiming to have long covid actually tested negative for antibodies and there is no proof some of them ever had the virus… I will try and find it. I believe they are complaining because they cannot get their sick pay extended, which may be because they cannot prove they ever had covid.

179687 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Carrie, 1, #761 of 1892 🔗

Otherwise known as malingerers. The sort who call a cold flu, and a wet fart dysentery.

179901 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Carrie, 3, #762 of 1892 🔗

I agree with lots of your comments that there is a fair amount of malingerers etc but there is a grain of truth that some can have prolonged symptoms. But it is not exclusive to C-19, all viral illness can have this rarely. It is a post viral syndrome a bit more common in mononucleosis but can be found in many viral diseases. It is important to stress that the 3 month fatigue with C-19 and even with accompanying X-ray signs on the lungs has a very good outcome. I don’t think it is helpful to completely dismiss the syndrome and be unnecessary confrontational. Just being in ICU regardless of diagnosis carry on its own weight long term problems in some patients.

180339 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to swedenborg, 1, #763 of 1892 🔗

For my part I do not think that people suffering from post-viral syndrome (C19 or otherwise) are malingering. In the past, I’ve had friends suffer very badly and for years from ME which some people regard as a post-viral problem.

However, I do deplore the re-branding of post-viral problems as ‘Long Covid’ which I honestly believe is designed to add to the hysteria. Some people, including myself and Alan, are still experiencing mild post-viral symptoms from last winter but we do not think we’re special nor am I prepared to parade myself as a kind of ‘poster girl’ for this problem. In any case, apart from a persistent cough and catarrh we are otherwise very fit and well and can burn our kids off walking up hills at our advanced ages (67 and 71)!

Swedenborg, I notice that you also take the ‘2nd wave’ as a given. There do seem to be more people suffering from respiratory illnesses now it’s October (hardly unusual) but as you know we also have a ruthless ‘test-demic’ going on in most countries in the world. Do viral illnesses normally have ‘2nd waves’? Several experts think not. This seems to be another specially-minted brand name for C19, again to up the fear factor.

As the nurse said yesterday, if people had never been told about C19, we would not have noticed anything out of the ordinary i.e. we’d have assumed we were having a slightly worse than usual flu season.

Now he next flu season is under way because it’s autumn and of course numbers are going to rise as happens every year. Sure there may be real C19 cases in there but as you say yourself they appear to be less serious than in the spring. In other words, we should all be back to normal. So why aren’t we? MW

179583 DownWithBedwetters, 5, #764 of 1892 🔗

I hope you replied to the bedwetting spaz and pointed out that he has no right to police the speech of others.

179585 Awkward Git, 4, #765 of 1892 🔗

From a friend:

“My mate a GP x surgeon was in a Hartlepool news paper last week basically saying stop the BS his name is XXXXXXX if I can find it will send it to you”

If I get the info from him will post it.

179591 MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 4, #766 of 1892 🔗

Re: Sir Starmer’s so-called opposition, AlanG has just observed the following: ‘It’s as if someone in 1930s Italy found a train not running on time and used it to spearhead an assault on Mussolini.’

Labour, the unions, the Labour mayors e.g. Burnham and the majority of ‘the left’ are all collaborating with fascism. We have debated this among ourselves many times and can only conclude that some are deluded enough to think that this will bring down the Tories. Starmer, in particular, has been appointed to play a long game. Some, like the BMA chief and the mayors are drunk on their new powers but all the lefty academics and local-level politicians are just brainwashed. Small ray of hope: some local lefties seem to be waking up round here. MW

179599 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #767 of 1892 🔗

hat tip from a friend:


Wonder when our lot will start these are?

Will have to keep an eye on upcoming government contracts.

179628 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Awkward Git, #768 of 1892 🔗

Likely Serco will get that contract – they seem to be getting most government contracts these days..

179633 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Carrie, 5, #769 of 1892 🔗

Won’t be much internment then. You’ll probably be able to just walk out the front gate if Serco are running them…

179608 TyRade, replying to TyRade, 5, #770 of 1892 🔗

Sums for a Sunday:
If GDP had continued its 2016 to 2019 trend through the COVIDballs months since February 2020, I calculate (using ONS monthly data) we would not have lost in the following six months (to August, as far as the data go) an annualised £2.2 trillion in collective income. That is what GDP actually was at the end of 2019! And it is over 16 years’ worth of NHS. Ie every home could have had a Nightingale hospital in its backyard (instead of a windmill) and apart from that frippery it would be business as usual.

179631 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to TyRade, 2, #771 of 1892 🔗

Nice work. That is one in the eye for the economy vs lives goons!

180601 ▶▶ Miss Owl, replying to Awkward Git, #773 of 1892 🔗

Started much earlier than that, Mr Git. A cursory search throws up mentions following the 2004 tsunami.

179629 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 1, #774 of 1892 🔗

When talking about herd immunity being an option to get us out of this insanity. Mrs 2-6 got a lazy rebuttal to this approach.

“Natural immunity could take years and years” to be reached so it is not a viable option.

Any suggestions on how best to slap this one down?

179632 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Two-Six, 2, #775 of 1892 🔗

Does it matter how long it takes?

179634 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Two-Six, 5, #776 of 1892 🔗


179644 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Tom Blackburn, -11, #777 of 1892 🔗

They haven’t reached herd immunity.

179665 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Mayo, 5, #778 of 1892 🔗

Still willing Sweden to fail? Bit of a misanthrope really.

179677 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Mayo, 1, #779 of 1892 🔗

A lot nearer it than we are.

179724 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Mayo, 3, #780 of 1892 🔗

I thought you believed Stockholm was about there. I’ve got elderly relatives in Gavle, and whilst there is awareness there is no fear. One aunt, late seventies and her hubby mid 80’s, has just complained that visiting family (loads local to them) stay at the front door rather than come in as she would wish. But she can understand their worry of not being the one to bring the virus to them. A catch 22. But both are fit n healthy for age and think they’ve probably dealt with it already and life’s for living….

179997 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Mayo, 1, #781 of 1892 🔗

Evidence, please.

179676 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #782 of 1892 🔗

Every Coronaphile’s worst nightmare…

179638 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Two-Six, #783 of 1892 🔗

Would we know when we reached it?

180396 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Steeve, #784 of 1892 🔗

If you estimate R and find it’s about 1 for several weeks in a row assuming fairly constant conditions, for example it’s summer for all of those weeks, then I think you can safely declare herd immunity. Oh wait.

Another good metric is relative performance of Covid compared to other respiratory viruses. If you don’t have herd immunity then it should be easily topping the charts. Right now it’s accounting for only about 10% of diseases which have Covid symptoms (per ONS data but that was some weeks ago, it’s probably even less now, I had a look this morning actually and couldn’t find it).

179655 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Two-Six, 9, #785 of 1892 🔗

There is already natural immunity, 86% of +ve tests are asymptomatic. IFR is low suggesting inbuilt immunity. Sadly people will die but they do from flu, colds, MRSA etc. Vaccine should take longer.

179656 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Two-Six, 4, #786 of 1892 🔗

“You are seeking the impossible. What herd immunity exists for the common cold ? Grow up. Stop being selfish and get on with worrying about stuff that matters”

That would be my rebuttal

179659 ▶▶ Telpin, replying to Two-Six, 12, #787 of 1892 🔗

Herd immunity isn’t an option or a strategy, it’s a biological fact . It’s what a vaccination seeks to achieve so I really don’t understand the objection to the word. Just shows the sheer Ignorance of those who object to it. The strategic question is how you can achieve it with least damage. Also relevant ( when set again collateral damage) is how serious is the virus itself ( now even WHO admits only marginally more than flu) . None of this should be controversial and we have Sweden as an example of one strategy that seems to have worked . So I just cannot understand why everyone isn’t screaming to follow them. Insanity.

179661 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Two-Six, 1, #788 of 1892 🔗

So why is it an option with flu?

Consider this, if the death rate for this virus was brought down to the same level as the flu which is likely what a vaccine would do, then would that be a viable option?

With flu, there is no herd immunity, a vaccine reduces the effects of the virus on the vulnerable (supposedly) and the rest of the slack is taken up by natural immunity.

I’ve said from the start that the MO of this virus looks very much like an unvaccinated flu.

179681 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Nobody2020, 4, #789 of 1892 🔗

Except the flu vaccine does no such thing. At best it reduces the worst effects, and sometimes fails to achieve even that. This corona is just going to become one of those viruses that flare up this time of year, kills a few people, then fades again in the summer.

Just live with it.

179674 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Two-Six, 2, #790 of 1892 🔗

Natural immunity is the only way forward. It might take years, but locking down the economy will lead to starvation, which only takes weeks.

179698 ▶▶▶ Keen Cook, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #791 of 1892 🔗

And will lead to fighting on the streets

179779 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Two-Six, 5, #792 of 1892 🔗

My understanding:

The Herd Immunity Threshold has a formal definition 1 – (1 / R0). When it is reached, the effective R (rate of spread) will be 1 and hopefully get smaller. This should mean each person would (on average) pass it on to 1 or fewer people and it would hopefully die out.

If we were to assume R0 (the measure of how fast it spreads initially) in the range 2.5 – 3.5, we could expect a threshold of 60 – 71% for population immunity. The argument of some commentators is that we are currently seeing a far lower immunity level, based on antibody testing (for example)… therefore we can’t have population immunity.

The counter argument is that this is far too simplistic. In fact we know it is, because a model this simple wouldn’t tell us to expect a rise in flu deaths each winter.

While some antibody testing shows 7% prevalence of certain antibodies for the novel coronavirus, these tests will not pick up all forms of immunity. They usually test blood serum, and as Hendrik Streeck has shown, it’s possible to have antibodies in (for example) tear ducts, without these showing in blood serum. So we could infer antibody testing percentages are a fairly reliable “low floor”, but that the current proportion of people in our population with some level of immunity is higher.

As Soo Aleman and others have shown, T-cell responses are very important here too – and based on their studies the proportion of people who have some level of T-cell immunity is far higher than the proportion who may show positive when testing for a specific antibody.

Since we know that some people are less likely to become exposed and some people will have stronger immunity than others, we can factor this in to the models. Gabriela Gomes suggests in these preprint studies ( https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.27.20081893v3.full.pdf and https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.23.20160762v2.full.pdf ) that the estimate for the UK could be around 20%.

So if we put all of this together, my personal belief is that we are around population immunity level. The most likely scenario for me is that this is no longer a pandemic, but an endemic seasonal cold-type virus that will be a bit nasty this winter, but statistically less significant than the flu viruses beyond that. We should literally be able to forget about it and move on as normal now.

180418 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Tee Ell, 1, #793 of 1892 🔗

Agree with all this except one small point. The virus doesn’t die out. R stays at about 1 for ever and this is called an “endemic equilibrium”. It would die out eventually if the population was completely static but of course people are being born all the time so there is a constant supply of fresh hosts. Long term R does not equal 1 but whatever the rate of population growth is.

180640 ▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to guy153, 1, #794 of 1892 🔗

Good point, cheers!

180383 ▶▶ guy153, replying to Two-Six, 1, #795 of 1892 🔗

This is where exponential growth helps you out. It takes about a month, two max, from when things start to kick off to reach herd immunity. It’s a function mainly of incubation period and recovery time. Population size doesn’t even make much difference.

This can be validated with a very simple SIR model. Anyone claiming it takes years needs to explain why they think that as it’s a pretty extraordinary claim.

179657 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #797 of 1892 🔗

Good one for all the techies and scientists out there:


Please peruse and give us your thoughts on their assessments of the different PCR tests.

180103 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Awkward Git, #798 of 1892 🔗

I’m not techie/scientist, but they look really good, and if you double tested all positives you could esentially get 100% specificity i.e. no false positives.

179663 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 4, #799 of 1892 🔗

The update today with the consultant reporting from hospital and the difficulties was very interesting. It must be obvious that the real interesting thing is hospital admissions with CLI (covidlikeillness) and the same with ICU admittance. Spain has noticed the same problem and in one of the worst hit regions in the second wave, Aragon,40 % of hospital admittance with C-19 was not for CLI but something else. The most interesting thing to measure of the actual new burden of C-19 occurring in the community must be these parameters. This might not measure the whole burden due to the nosocomial infection in hospital will also increase the NHS burden. But measuring that we have less true ICI cases must be the most important thing.

Rob Daniels, the AE Consultant in Sepsis UK has interesting information in a tweet very recently (which I can’t find now) that he was surprised that only 103 patients in the whole of England were on assisted ventilation which is much less than current total number in ICU indicating that that many having much less invasive help compared to the April peak.


Clare Craig gives in her twitter thread the exact information you should have from ICU to be useful, and gives further her ideas of using testing in hospital and community. Sadly, too intelligent for being taken up by Hancock.

179667 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to swedenborg, 2, #800 of 1892 🔗

Hancock knows the covid trap is all BS

179749 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 2, #801 of 1892 🔗

I foud the tweet from Daniels.Even better news Only 104 C-19 ventilated since 1st Sept in the whole of England!

“Well spotted, yes. If you look at the definitions on page 17 this suggests that 104 people have been ventilated for COVID-19 since 1st September. That’s so low as to surprise even me!”

179671 AidanR, replying to AidanR, 7, #802 of 1892 🔗

I was in two minds about the bedwetter thing, but having seen the responses here, my conclusions are now drawn. I know Toby won’t say it how it is, and he has his reasons for that, which I respect because of what he’s doing for us here. So let me try:

Dear Mr ‘Complains about hurty words because his bladder control isn’t what it was’,

At best you are the enemy’s useful idiot. At worst you are actively aiming to police our speech, to divide us, and to make us just that little bit more miserable and guarded.

So let me be plain: Go fuck yourself.

We need your divisive complaining like we need an empty box of Tena Men.

179694 ▶▶ Samhurt, replying to AidanR, 2, #803 of 1892 🔗

❤ 🤘

179741 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to AidanR, #804 of 1892 🔗

so – what are you saying?

179957 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to AidanR, 2, #805 of 1892 🔗


179680 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 13, #806 of 1892 🔗

Why should 10pm make a difference, 6 people at table, 15 at a wedding, 30 at a funeral, masks until you sit down, 1mtr vs 2mtrs, its almost as the politicians are begging us to call out their BS and if we don’t, well that’s our fault.

179711 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #807 of 1892 🔗

None of it seems evidence based but, Goebbels-like, BJ keeps saying he’s following The Science and people believe him.

179762 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #808 of 1892 🔗

I read a comment somewhere (and unfortunately can’t recall where) supposedly from an insider, that certain high ranking inside Westminster are laughing at the public. They are not social distancing nor wearing masks (except for the cameras).

179852 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Suzyv, 2, #809 of 1892 🔗

That would be no surprise if true. They are vile people pulling our strings whilst repeating the mantra Keeping Us Safe, when in fact they couldn’t care less!

179965 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Suzyv, 1, #810 of 1892 🔗

They are upper class schoolboys who have always hated the plebs and they are actually treating us the same way they do if they actually meet plebs anywhere, anytime

179768 ▶▶ matt, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #812 of 1892 🔗

You’re looking for the wrong kind of logic. All of the things you list are based on the principle of being just exactly unpleasant and restrictive enough for you to notice that they’re doing something, without being so restrictive as to be completely unworkable.

179961 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to matt, 1, #813 of 1892 🔗

Millions are making them work, that’s the problem, that’s also why they are laughing

179682 Miss Owl, 7, #814 of 1892 🔗

I don’t really care about the term ‘bedwetter’.

But that’s because I’m not one.

179686 Jules, 3, #816 of 1892 🔗

If people from the north of England did not already feel like second class citizens, they certainly will after the criminal gang that calls itself our government puts the final touches to its plans to crush them under its jackboot. The north/south divide is about to become a chasm.

179692 MyHomeIsMyCastle, 24, #817 of 1892 🔗

It entirely context-dependent.

Someone looking after their 82-year old dad, who has COPD and a heart condition, is not a bedwetter.

A healthy 30-something who thinks they’ll end up on a ventilator if they pick up a packet of pasta in Asda that was previously touched by an asymptomatic person who wasn’t wearing a mask is.

179697 MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 12, #818 of 1892 🔗

High Peak curry house last night: 3 tables occupied when in the Olden Days it would have been packed. The front man offered us the QR code but we declined. He offered us a post-it pad and we wrote a name and number on it. (This suggests that most numpties are actually asking for 14-days in jug by having downloaded the bloody app!)

Then, a processions of zombies in and out every f-ing one muzzled. All the staff muzzled but one with a welding mask. Inane prattling from a table of 4 about masks. A woman bragging that she’d bought masks before they ‘went up’. Then one of them likened muzzle-wearing lone car-drivers to people wearing Johnnies alone in bed, which was a moment of light relief. Otherwise, I was sitting there muttering, my language deteriorating fast. We like the guys who run the place but I was contemplating wearing a travel eye-mask and earplugs next time we go there like a demented 2-wise-monkey old bat.

Predictably, one table got up and obediently muzzled-up to walk the 3 yards to the door. At least they didn’t muzzle their 2 kids but it’s terrifying that they can’t seem to see the insanity and just be a tiny bit rebellious.

Anyway, it actually improved. The front man’s muzzle slipped lower and lower. Then the owner brought our mains with his muzzle under his chin. Then 2 likely lads came in for a take-away, no masks at all, closely followed by an old gimmer who took his off and sat down to wait for his take-away and chatted freely with the staff.

On the way out, we observed how we now have this smart virus which doesn’t affect the remaining party sitting a few feet away but leaves everyone near the till in deadly danger There were 2 young men waiting for take-aways, obediently muzzled, and they heard all this. It got a laugh from the staff and the remaining table of diners. (Make of it what you will you two zombie bed-wetting collaborators!)

The fact that we have an ambitious, useless and arse-licking Tory boy MP may spare the High Peak from the latest tyranny. The staff are really brassed off about Manchester and so are we. Anyway, we’re pushing back as best we can, La Lutte Continue! MW

179742 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 2, #819 of 1892 🔗

This sounds HORRIBLE.

180285 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Two-Six, #820 of 1892 🔗

We’ve had better nights there. . . . .MW

179757 ▶▶ annie, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 4, #821 of 1892 🔗

I was in a café with some other pony trekkers on Friday. There were five of us, only met that mirning, sitting round two small tables. Rest of café empty. But one girl put her face nappy on to walk across the empty café to the loo (open to us by special permission).When I said it really wasn’t necessary, she said vaguely ‘But we really ought,’ and off she wandered.
I remained barefaced throughout. Nobody said anything.

180283 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to annie, 1, #822 of 1892 🔗

‘We really ought’. God help us, it really is volkgemeinschaft in action. Welcome to Nazi UK. MW

179699 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 30, #823 of 1892 🔗

Society be dammed. I feel angry at the selfish attitude of the lockdown pricks. Not because it’s not a serious virus, but because it’s a distraction from real problems and real NOW issues that need solving.

For example, Between 2012 and 2016 it was calculated that over 120,000 pensioners died as a result of being cold.

Did this mask wearing tools protest in Trafalgar Square ? Did twitter erupt ? Did those of such virtue who afforded heating offer to pay the bills of those who can’t by making some sacrifice ?

Did we all offer to shut down society to allow resources to be refocused on the poor who were dying? . Did they write to MP’s to demand better protection for the elderly. Did we take to wastebook to champion this injustice. Did insist platforms like LBC ask professors from China to give us a solution to the problem ?

No society did fuck all.

And I suspect the reality is that we will see another 30,000 deaths from the cold this winter. Almost all are going to be avoidable. And no one is going to bang on about protecting the vulnerable.

A pensioner is expected to live on under £600 a month and society thinks that’s ok. It’s Laughable. Stop giving tax breaks and 2/3 salary to those who can work and look after the old who can’t. I bet with better heating and conditions you will see a lot less than 30,000 cold related deaths this winter (unless they claim them all to be Covid of course)

Covid is completely and utterly out of all proportion. The reason so many “care” is that they see this as an immediate problem. They can’t kick the can down the road. They can’t say it’s down to the x or y person. It could ( it won’t) kill them next week. So it’s all self interest. And that’s the real problem. It’s just selfish.

Sorry – rant over.

179716 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Leemc23, 5, #824 of 1892 🔗

Very well said.

179702 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 12, #825 of 1892 🔗


Let’s see how long my comment stays up for this time…

Maybe those scientists just don’t want to be associated with a movement that is going to kill millions of us from economic hardship, where old people are left to die in a home surrounded by masks zombies without their loved ones around them, where children are subjected to psychological torture on a grand scale, where the suicide rates caused by economic hardship over time will dwarf the numbers that dies of this nasty case of flu. Tried getting breast screening or any other form of health care recently?

Already removed…

179708 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to captainbeefheart, #826 of 1892 🔗

There’s a surprise.

179717 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to captainbeefheart, #827 of 1892 🔗


179728 ▶▶ RickH, replying to captainbeefheart, #828 of 1892 🔗

Look on the bright side : every removal by censorship is a nail in the coffin of the Groan’s credibility

179735 ▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to RickH, #829 of 1892 🔗

I used to have a bit of respect for them due to the Snowden files, but it looks like all their good journalists have been replaced by the sort of people who would make Joseph Goebbels blush.

179751 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to captainbeefheart, 6, #830 of 1892 🔗

You have put your finger on the major disruption to the Guardian – it was the Snowden affair.

After that – many good investigative journalists were sacked, the Scott Trust became a limited company, Rusbridger was replaced by Viner

… and the paper accepted a place on the ‘D’ Notice committee.

Transformation into establishment shill complete.

179832 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 1, #832 of 1892 🔗

They’ve been censoring dissent for decades.

179740 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #833 of 1892 🔗

It’s a bit disingenous of Sonia to say the three have “little idea about how to engage with the real world” when any dissenting views are shut down by the meanstream media.

She is another one of these people who seems to think immunity serves no purpose.

It is a fact that some sort of Herd Immunity Threshold (HiT) is reached due to a combination of NPI and immunity, we see this everywhere. She is using the term Herd Immunity as the point where a virus is controlled solely through immunity.

This article by Tom Chivers shows how immunity would have an exponential effect on transmission. However, Toms position (or Adams or both) is that he/they thinks infections should be avoided in the first place:

Has Covid become less dangerous?

And third, says Kucharski, “ if you improve your treatment it scales linearly, whereas if you target transmission it scales exponentially. ” Let me explain what that means. Imagine you have a disease where, on average, each infected person gives it to three people. (So the reproductive number, R, is three.) And of every 100 people who get the disease, one person dies. (So the IFR is 1%).

Now imagine you have one person with the disease; they give it to three people; they give it to another three each, and so on. By the 10th generation, almost 90,000 people will have been infected*, and about 900 will have died.

Now imagine you develop some clever treatment that can reduce the IFR by 33%, from 1% to 0.67%. You will reduce the number of dead from around 900 to around 600. That’s a very big deal.

But now imagine that you find some clever behavioural intervention — masks, hand-washing, whatever — that reduces your R by 33%, from three to two. Now, instead of giving it to 90,000 people, you’ll give it to about 2,000 people**, and about 20 of them will die.

Small reductions in the IFR lead to small reductions in deaths, and that’s good. But small reductions in R rapidly lead to very big reductions in deaths, and that’s even better. If 0.5% of a million people die instead of 1%, that’s a huge improvement, but it’s still a lot of people. Better, if reasonably possible, that they don’t get infected in the first place.

179756 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #834 of 1892 🔗

This remark in the article by Sonia Sodha is a cracker:

The kindest interpretation is these are three politically naive but self-important scientists with little idea about how to engage with the real world. But they have done science a profound disservice.

“Little idea about how to engage with the real world”. What, you mean like Wancock, Bunter, Whitless, and Mr Vaccine have?

179705 Fingerache Philip., 14, #835 of 1892 🔗

Millions of people to be told “Don’t leave your local area after tomorrow”
Well: I will comfort myself with the belief that hundreds of thousands (at least) will say “B××××××S.

179709 Steeve, replying to Steeve, 2, #836 of 1892 🔗

Sunday Anagram


179710 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Steeve, 1, #837 of 1892 🔗

No prizes for that one.

179720 ▶▶ See - owe to Rich, replying to Steeve, 2, #838 of 1892 🔗

Isn’t TWERE DEBT be(dwe)tter 🙂

179725 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to See - owe to Rich, #839 of 1892 🔗

You Win!

179714 Jules, replying to Jules, 1, #840 of 1892 🔗

Not sure if this inane article is meant to make locals laugh or cry! https://www.devonlive.com/whats-on/whats-on-news/oktoberfest-bubble-bingo-coming-torquay-4576127

179733 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Jules, 2, #841 of 1892 🔗

Have to say, it does kind of make me want to go in beforehand and sanitise the place with Novichok

179936 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #842 of 1892 🔗

Nobody would die from that either.

179715 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 16, #843 of 1892 🔗

Stupidity amongst health ministers must be contagious

“Incredible. Yesterday, the Spanish Minister of Health, when asked by a journalist why they were confining Madrid against the opinion of tens of thousands of scientists and doctors who signed the Great Barrington Declaration, answered that lockdowns were what the WHO recommended.”
On the same day
“Dr David Nabarro, the WHO’s Special Envoy on Covid-19, tells Andrew Neil: ‘We really do appeal to all world leaders: stop using lockdown as your primary control method'”

179771 ▶▶ Mark, replying to swedenborg, 2, #844 of 1892 🔗

You would think some journalist, somewhere, would put that direct contradiction to lockdown governments forcefully, and require a direct explanation. Perhaps with a discussion of why official bodies such as Ofcom, alongside Big Tech and the news media, are suppressing information and opinions contrary to WHO guidance…

179719 merlin, replying to merlin, 4, #845 of 1892 🔗

The IFR for covid has been well publicised on this forum to be around 0.14 pct using WHO data. Basically the same as seasonal Flu. I wanted to add that this is an upper bound and it is important to point out that true number could be many times lower e.g if we use US CDC stats , pure covid deaths are 6pct of total( so reduce ifr by factor of 16.6). WHO estimate 10pct infections but again this is probably too low, even if you use 20pct infections the IFR is halved . Combining the adjustments will give IFR= 0.14/33.2= 0.004pct, 99.996pct survival. At this point you would have to question the existence of covid?

179877 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to merlin, 1, #846 of 1892 🔗

Simple. Devastating. Welcome to hell.

179722 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 14, #847 of 1892 🔗

Jonathan Van Tam wishes it to be known that the U.K. is at a tipping point. I strongly agree with him. The U.K. is at a tipping point where the misuse of the phrase “tipping point” by medical bureaucrats for purposes of sustaining irrational fear is going to cause a backlash, at the end of which I profoundly hope that Jonathan Van Tam will find himself on trial. In the open air, in front of a big tree.

179726 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #848 of 1892 🔗

And all the rest of the “Doctor Dooms”
Fergus Walsh of the BBC in particular.

179876 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #849 of 1892 🔗

Fergus Walsh is a droid. Nobody can deliver that level of bullshit with such panache

179734 ▶▶ DRW, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 7, #850 of 1892 🔗

Let’s not forget that the “second wave” horror show due in two to six weeks has been coming since July.

179744 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to DRW, 4, #851 of 1892 🔗

Yep. “Second wave” is another Pavlovian trigger they all use all the time. Pavlov’s dogs, however, are looking increasingly rabid.

179758 ▶▶▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #852 of 1892 🔗

And you know what to do with a mad dog

179840 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Jakehadlee, 2, #853 of 1892 🔗

It’s the humane thing to do!

179865 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #854 of 1892 🔗

They’re a danger to health.

179863 ▶▶ John P, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #855 of 1892 🔗

Jonathan Van Tam wishes it to be known that the U.K. is at a tipping point.

What a f*ckwitt. Yes, landfill if we carry on like this much longer.

179730 swedenborg, 1, #856 of 1892 🔗

“Patients in the two periods did not present marked age and sex differences, but markers of severity were undoubtedly less prevalent in the summer period, associating with a 10 times decrease in the lethality rate.”

Didier Raoult Marseille describing that the summer peak of C-19 10 times less deadly than in April


Different pattern of the second outbreak of COVID-19 in Marseille, France.

179732 Margaret, 2, #857 of 1892 🔗

Does anyone here have the Sunday Telegraph? There is an interesting snippet on the front page – in other developments, “Matt Hancock, the health secretary is said to have been shut out of high level meetings about Covid, amid concerns relating to leaks from Whitehall”.

The rest is behind a paywall but it would be interesting to find out what this is all about.

179736 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 2, #858 of 1892 🔗

We like to tell ourselves that Hitler could never have risen to power Britain. But seeing vast numbers of the British public leap at the opportunity to become Covid enforcers and informants has put paid to that myth. It could have happened here.

Here is Jordan Peterson talking about how any of us could have been nazis in Germany, in the ’30s. https://youtu.be/Vknhe2CbvmI

179754 ▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 1, #859 of 1892 🔗

I’ve seen that and I remain safe in the knowledge I wouldn’t have been. And I suspect many here wouldn’t too.

179777 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Jakehadlee, 1, #860 of 1892 🔗

Considering that the kind of people that went on to support the nazi party were the people ready to restrict the freedom of others because they didn’t like them, i think we here are pretty safe, yes.

179761 ▶▶ annie, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 1, #861 of 1892 🔗

Not me.

179830 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to annie, 2, #862 of 1892 🔗

As Cristi.Neagu pointed out , we here,whether politically of right or left, probably have a plausibly believable right to claim that we would not have, because we have been tested and resisted.

The rest of them? They faced the test and were found wanting.

179789 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 1, #863 of 1892 🔗

Happening here right now.

Or France and the collaborators and Vichy France but after the war ti was amazing how many were really resistance.

179871 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 1, #864 of 1892 🔗

That was greta. JP soundbites are hard to beat. My leftist friends can’t stand the fact that I love his work and that I also love his biblical series even though I’m a failed Catholic. They have just decided he’s a right wing trumpet and that’s that. Standard

179738 Basics, replying to Basics, 1, #865 of 1892 🔗

If anyone has a strong stomach here is an interview of Sridhar as Rhodes Scholar from a few months ago. In it she gives some of her background, started out with the intention of going into Law but switched to Health Policy after a conversation with ‘someone’ at the Kaiser Family Foundation KFF.

It’s unclear to me if Sridhar gained her Rhodes Scholarship, at 18, for an intention of going into Law or not. After undergraduate and postgraduate studies including two year studying policy rollout in India. She arrived at reasearching in Oxford at Blavatnik School of Government under Professor Ngaire Woods, founding Dean of the Blavatnik School of Government and Professor of Global Economic Governance at Oxford University, also a Rhodes Scholar. Sridhar is the founding Director of the Global Health Governance Programme at Edinburgh.

The interviewer is in error by stating Sridhar is in the Edinburgh School of Health and Medicine, she is not, she is in the School of Social and Political Science at the University of Edinburgh. Sridhar does not correct the interviewer, which is deceiptful in my opion given the circustances of the interview.

The interview gives a little more information to anyone who is looking into Sridhar, a woman who it is said of has an unusually small amount of background available for someone so high profile. Has the web been scrubbed? Her online presence is a feature of political and social discourse. There is a similarity with her mysterious background to that of Mr Murrell SNP Chief Exec and husband of Sturgeon.

In the interview Sirdhar makes her position known on aspects of pandemic management – Lockdown, vaccine, the future. It is interesting to hear Sridhar say that the definition ‘pandemic’ is irrelevant.

There may be much in the interview which others with industry/acamdemic knowledge may find revealing.

Rhodes Trust

179753 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Basics, 2, #866 of 1892 🔗

Is identity politics to blame for this? Could it be that the eagerness of some woke individuals seeing a woman of colour got in the way of their duty to the people? Why look for merit when you can be both sexist and racist at the same time?

179784 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 2, #867 of 1892 🔗

Absolutely – had to go on jobs and sort their mess out a few times over the years but they were “untouchable” at the time.

Just got bumped sideways into sinecures with no power eventually after a lot of money spent getting things right again.

There should only be one criteria – competence.

That’s it.

179819 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #868 of 1892 🔗

Not to dismiss yours and AGits comment out of hand I don’t feel it is apllicable in this instance.

The recruitment of Rhodes Scholarships has history. Which is why I mentioned her mentor at Oxford was also Rhodes, it’s that club that you’re not in.

I feel there is something more sinister than woke favouritism. Groomed is a more likely word imo. The interiew is clearly scripted in part with Sridhar referencing notes – does she have a live text feed coming to her from a ‘handler’ for want of a better description. Her eyes dart about in referencing pattern.

179739 John P, 1, #869 of 1892 🔗

Hancock is a tasteless covid joke.

I daresay I might get a Toon Army of replies in agreement.


179743 calchas, replying to calchas, 3, #870 of 1892 🔗

So, the WHO now recommends against lockdowns.

Think of this as a bargaining process. We are punished for months with lockdowns, so that as we are accustomed to, and accept, anti-social distancing and masking, tracking etc, we will feel it as a concession when the lockdowns end.

ockdowns can, of course, be reintroduced as and when deemed necessary.

The short-term goal is social control with the economy ticking over.

179766 ▶▶ DRW, replying to calchas, 2, #871 of 1892 🔗

A video some months ago said that all of this was about the vaccines/ID, and that the plan was to make people so demoralised with lockdowns, antisocial distancing, muzzling etc. that they would be desperate to take what will be sold as the cure.

I think it’s no coincidence that this statement comes the week that the first vaccine reviews/rollout plans and IDs began. They are closing in on their goal.

179773 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to DRW, #872 of 1892 🔗

I am far from sure that we will see a vaccine.

Any such vaccine would be most intensely analysed vaccine in history.

We know it ‘won’t work’ – in the sense that PCR tests will still produce lots of positives.

As long as lots of PCR positives are produced, then there is no reason why the present state of affairs should not continue, since that is the criterion the authorities are using.

179782 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to calchas, 1, #873 of 1892 🔗

Probably not an effective one. But it’s not been about a virus for a long time now, if ever.

179776 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to calchas, 1, #874 of 1892 🔗

Oh it’s gaslighting alright

179846 ▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to calchas, 4, #875 of 1892 🔗

People here keep talking as though there is some super-intelligent cabal with a master plan at work here.

Think of one global intervention by even one power that hasn’t gone completely tits up and ended up doing the opposite of that was intended.

If there really is some cabal then they are morons as there is no way any of what is being suggested could possibly end well for them or anyone. The world would descend into anarchy and bloodshed. How many guns are there in America alone? It’s just not going to happen.

I just think we should stick to the assumption that it’s the usual suspects – greed and incompetence- driving this, not some secret society.

179874 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Jakehadlee, #876 of 1892 🔗

the cabal don’t care if it descends into anarchy they’ve already built there dungeons in New Zealand.

179909 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Jakehadlee, 2, #877 of 1892 🔗

“People here keep talking as though there is some super-intelligent cabal with a master plan at work here”.

There is, it is a cabal, they are intelligent and they do have a master plan.

“The world would descend into anarchy and bloodshed”.
I think this is what they want, control and depopulation

“How many guns are there in America alone?”
Not enough, they have more. They also have attack helicopters, tanks, drones, attack jets, artillery, tactical nuked and bio-weapons.

I hope I am wrong.

179750 Mark, replying to Mark, 7, #878 of 1892 🔗

Government advises creative arts professionals to retrain. London Marxist Theatre Company reacts .

Andrew Lawrence – harsh, but fair.

Yes, you’ve given the arts a £1.5 billion bailout since March, Sunak, but it’s not enough! Yes, we’re living through a pandemic, but the arts need more government funding, otherwise I for one can’t continue my vital work helping asylum seekers to explore their gender identity through the medium of tapdance. And that would be a true fucking tragedy!

The truth behind the comedy: state funding for the arts is like international aid – a morally indefensible act of theft. Support for arts, or “arts”, like charity, is a matter for individuals to decide voluntarily. If it’s not genuinely voluntary, it’s not charity, it’s theft. And majority vote can’t change this fundamental truth.

179798 ▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to Mark, 5, #879 of 1892 🔗

I work in the arts and every penny I earn (or used to earn) I made by people paying money to see a performance. No hand outs. No subsidies.

Agree that funding arts that no one would otherwise pay for is a waste of money. But destroying a massive industry that generates billions and employs hundreds of thousands isn’t funny.

179829 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Jakehadlee, 3, #880 of 1892 🔗

I work in the arts and every penny I earn (or used to earn) I made by people paying money to see a performance. No hand outs. No subsidies.

If you can make a living working to provide something that people pay to receive, then you are entitled to the same respect due to everyone who earns an honest living. And the government absolutely should not be panicking and forcing you to stop working out of misplaced fear of a jumped up cold.

The issue here is government funding.

179841 ▶▶▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to Mark, 4, #881 of 1892 🔗

Funding for unwanted arts, I agre. Letting the West End and all regional theatres die because of idiotic social distancing rules is a separate issue. If they are doing that, they should be providing funding to keep venues alive as it is they, and not the market, destroying them.

179850 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnMac, replying to Jakehadlee, #882 of 1892 🔗

Spot on.

179878 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Jakehadlee, #883 of 1892 🔗

Up to a point. The arts should get the same, and no more, emergency support as other areas of the entertainment industry that the government is sabotaging. Much of that is going bust. Why should the arts be any different?

The real solution, as I’m sure we both agree, would be to end the suicidal self-harming that is the government response to the coronapanic.

179875 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mark, #884 of 1892 🔗

The main subsidies in every field actually go to private big capital enterprises.

Resentment politics was never a great insight.

180256 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 1, #885 of 1892 🔗

Resentment politics was never a great insight .”

LOL. Except for politics about resenting rich people having more money and suggesting they should pay more taxes, for instance. That’s different, eh?

In reality of course it’s not about resentment, it’s about the basic immorality of coerced charity.

179895 ▶▶ annie, replying to Mark, 1, #886 of 1892 🔗

Sorry, the money has been used to enable illegal immigrants from El Salvador to adjust to life in Britain by taking free courses in coracle management on a beach on Gower, South Wales.

180385 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Mark, #887 of 1892 🔗

The government is deliberately destroying every type of enterprise in this country. I see no difference between things that I personally love and things that bore me to death (say, sport). Since the government has stopped legal entities from operating, it should pay compensation to allow them to survive until the government stops restricting lawful activities.

179755 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 31, #888 of 1892 🔗

A friend of a relative is an 84-year-old widow who has a massive gallstone that has led to her hospitalisation four times in the past six weeks. Our brilliant NHS finally decided to operate, and she was very relieved. Day of the operation, after she’s already been in the covid distribution centre for six nights in one month, they come in and she thinks she’s going to have her operation but they make her get up,and go home. Because it’s not safe, because covid, because bla bla bla.
there is no possible logic behind this except the evil logic of a delinquent public-sector bureaucracy that treats people as numbers. She’s back home, alone, afraid, waiting for the gallstone to erode through her bile duct.

179760 ▶▶ John P, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #889 of 1892 🔗


179764 ▶▶ annie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 8, #890 of 1892 🔗

Evil. Evil. Evil.

179772 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #891 of 1892 🔗

That needs to be published.

179775 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #892 of 1892 🔗

Covid Distribution Centre?

179818 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Steeve, 9, #893 of 1892 🔗

It’s my new term for “hospital”

179795 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 7, #894 of 1892 🔗

This is a horrible story. Toby, can you publicise this more widely please? You might try Allison Pearson at the Daily Telegraph, but SHE is overwhelmed with these stories. Like the NHS.

180502 ▶▶ stewart, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #895 of 1892 🔗

When will the BBC and others start putting that on the evening news.

179763 AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 9, #896 of 1892 🔗

Does this ring any bells?

The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.

Joseph Goebbels, 1941

179788 ▶▶ John P, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, #897 of 1892 🔗

Not so far.

I’m not sure that quoting Nazis to the lockdown zealots is going to help the anti lockdown movement.

I wonder if, in 80 years time, our descendants will be quoting the “wisdom” of Matt Hancock?

179821 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to John P, 5, #898 of 1892 🔗

Not unless Hancock does a crash course in classical rhetoric pretty sharpish. Goebbels may not have been a very nice man, but he was good at his job.

179822 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #899 of 1892 🔗


It’s worth bearing in mind at this point that in 1941 Britain and Germany were at war.

I don’t suppose that Churchill had very nice things to say about the Germans either at that time.

179816 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, #900 of 1892 🔗

It’s definitely time for me to get off here for the sake of my own mental health. When people start quoting Goebbels in the belief that he’s making an excellent point… I reach for my revolver.

179824 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #901 of 1892 🔗

Quite! Oh, you’re not alone in your dislike of Goebbels.

179972 ▶▶▶▶ hat man, replying to John P, 2, #902 of 1892 🔗

I took AN Other’s point to be that – by and large – Goebbels might unfortunately have been right. And even worse, that our current leadership know that.

180971 ▶▶▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to hat man, #903 of 1892 🔗

Thank you.That was exactly my point. O the joys of the internet!

179765 John P, replying to John P, 2, #904 of 1892 🔗

I think “bedwetters” is perfectly acceptable.

179787 ▶▶ Samhurt, replying to John P, 3, #905 of 1892 🔗

But don’t you understand? It’s offensive. It offends people. Therefore it must be banned. We are respectable folks. Don’t you see? Inclusivity is our strength! Won’t somebody think of the adult bedwetters!

Coddling the delicate sendibilities of the perpetually-aggreived is the only way to show we care. We want to win the information war. If that means banning words, then ban we must. Don’t be a bedwettist!

179794 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to Samhurt, #906 of 1892 🔗

We get it, Samhurt

179804 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to matt, 5, #907 of 1892 🔗

I just think it’s infantile and it makes us sound like a bunch of chortling schoolyard bullies. I couldn’t care less about triggering. I think it’s bad for the anti-lockdown cause. I realise I’m in a minority of one, for the 30 millionth time in my life.

179812 ▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #908 of 1892 🔗

It’s really one of journalist James Delingpole’s jokes and Toby is a friend of his. TBH I don’t see it here very often and I don’t think it really matters that much.

(Clearly we have a difference of opinion!)

179817 ▶▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #909 of 1892 🔗

And I get that too (see my post from this morning, now way down the page).

I’m less sure I get quite how insisting that people shouldn’t offer an opinion is a robust defence of free speech, but mostly I think I don’t care if people use the term bedwetter and that if Toby wants to stop using it in an effort to make the site more appealing to others, then he should, but if he wants to keep using it, then he should. And if he wants to tell me to stop using it (which he hasn’t done) then he shouldn’t.

179892 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to matt, 1, #910 of 1892 🔗

Could have been worse.
Could have been ‘pants shitter’.
‘As a habitual pants shitter, I protest…’

179836 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #911 of 1892 🔗

I agree with you. I don’t advocate banning it, but I think it doesn’t help. Insulting people’s intelligence for disagreeing with you is a tactic of the liberal left, and is hugely counterproductive for them just as it would be for any interest group.

It’s basic human psychology that people don’t listen to people who are rude to them. They switch off from the idea and focus on the insult.

So it’s great to insult people in private – personally I think they are all bedwetting morons – but maybe from a tactical point of view let’s keep that opinion to ourselves.

The person who ends up winning is usually the one who makes the most friends, not the strongest or the toughest or the shoutiest. Leave the insults to the left – they already patronised Trump to victory and the UK out of Europe, let them do the same here. We’re smarter than that.

179853 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Jakehadlee, 5, #912 of 1892 🔗

Insulting people’s intelligence for disagreeing with you is a tactic of the liberal left.

lol, oh really? You’ve clearly never watched Top Gear in it’s Clarkson/May/ Hammond heyday.

(Which reminds me, maybe will watch a bit of “The Grand Tour” later.)

I don’t think petty insult is the exclusive preserve of the Left.

To some extent it’s a coping mechanism. My advice, with respect, is “grow a pair”.

180312 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Jakehadlee, #913 of 1892 🔗

Really, only the left insult people? Sorry, but you are dead wrong.

As someone on the left, recent events have made me more receptive to the right than ever before in my life, but I put up with years, no, sorry, decades, of being called a “libtard” in the US.

Insults have been freely used on all sides.

179799 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Samhurt, 4, #914 of 1892 🔗

Samhurt, be in no doubt, I can be triggered along with the rest of them.

And some jokes – bedwetter Frankie Boyle’s “joke” about Rebecca Adlington certainly being one of them – are in very poor taste and barely acceptable.

But once you get into banning speech you don’t like then you are on a very slippery slope.

180138 ▶▶▶▶ Samhurt, replying to John P, #915 of 1892 🔗

I’m being scoffed at for giving a shit about the slope part, but that’s the part that matters.

179767 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 7, #916 of 1892 🔗

Just found this on Twitter. Is it correct legally?

If it is, this is the way to stop businesses thinking they can/should enforce the mask rule. It will also be good grounds with the new Covid Marshalls.

We have to use the exemptions as we have been given them. They are not all do do with disabilities. One is to avoid causing harm [to ourselves]. Another is about causing distress.

179774 ▶▶ matt, replying to Country Mumkin, 4, #917 of 1892 🔗

It’s close. I think I’m right in saying, though, that asking that you disclose your reasons is more of a problem because of confidentiality and data protection (nobody but you and your doctor has a right to know your medical history). The second bullet is spot on.

179790 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to matt, #918 of 1892 🔗


PS I just got a message saying I was posting comments too quickly, slow down. I was only saying thank you. I type quickly!!

179791 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to matt, #919 of 1892 🔗

Well the law it refers to ( Equalities Act Section 29(5) (a) ) in this regard says:

A service-provider (A) must not, in providing the service, victimise a person (B)—

as to the terms on which A provides the service to B;

I suppose it depends how you interpret “insisting” on disclosure.

179778 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Country Mumkin, 3, #920 of 1892 🔗

The legislation also states exactly who is allowed to challenge you and no-one other than those can even ask you.


Don’t forget the fines to businesses and personal liability for fines to individuals.

179786 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Awkward Git, #921 of 1892 🔗

Thank you

179780 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #922 of 1892 🔗

Have a look on here https://laworfiction.com/

Hope that helps.

179785 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, #923 of 1892 🔗

Thanks 😊

179808 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Country Mumkin, #924 of 1892 🔗

I created my own version of this kind of thing yesterday. Printable version here in case anyone wants one.

179769 Jules, #925 of 1892 🔗

179781 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 66, #926 of 1892 🔗

RANT by Linda Smith on Facebook

You must be either stubborn beyond belief, utterly brainwashed or thick as shit if you don’t realise what is happening to us after six months of this. We have had all the same resources to research this situation and if you still think this is cos of a ‘virus’ then there is quite simply, no hope for you. Turn off the TV, the same people who own own these international media corporations are the same scumbags who are pushing this agenda which is going to end up with us living in a communist, totalitarian state, constant monitoring (track n trace is just the start).

Our human rights and civil liberties are being stripped away and still most people comply and do whatever they are told… These CV19 figures have been duped – the authorities have even admitted they lied, false positive tests, people sadly dying of other causes are getting recorded of dying ‘with covid’, death certificates falsely labelled with this crap too, people are turning up for tests and leaving because of queues then getting positive results when no test was performed etc etc.

I personally know of a 12 year old boy who killed himself recently and also my kids’ wonderful teacher who couldn’t handle lockdown and took her own life. It’s tragic and it’s just the tip of the iceberg. Not to mention the hundreds of thousands of people with urgent medical needs who have been discarded by the NHS.

There are many millions of us fighting to protect our children’s futures and its an immeasurable task without being battled by you paranoid, narrative following, mask wearing gullible idiots. Wait for the vaccine!

This message is meant with love and best wishes to all but its beyond a joke now. Its time for us to unite and fight back against this tyranny and we are gonna need more than a fucking Big Mac meal each to do it.

PS Anyone chatting shit on my page is going to be banned.
PPS Stop complying and stop getting tested ffs. This government does not give a shit about you. Quite the opposite .”

(About sums it up)

179796 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to PastImperfect, 5, #927 of 1892 🔗

Could she speak at one of the protests!

179839 ▶▶ leggy, replying to PastImperfect, 2, #928 of 1892 🔗

Who is Linda?

179897 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to leggy, 3, #929 of 1892 🔗

She did the New quiz on BBC R4 then in the woke purge, they all got got replaced with some crap woke “comedians” instead. I stopped listening to it.

179902 ▶▶▶▶ Matt The Cat, replying to Two-Six, 4, #930 of 1892 🔗

I think the Linda Smith who used to be on the News Quiz died about 15 years ago, though.

179918 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Matt The Cat, 1, #931 of 1892 🔗

Yer wrong linda smith, oops, she wasn’t purged, she died too lol.

179920 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to leggy, 3, #932 of 1892 🔗

Don’t know. My son sent it to me.

But I thought it was a good rant and thanks, Lynda, for putting it writing..

179792 calchas, 10, #933 of 1892 🔗

I see no way back for the authorities.

As in a totalitarian state, all institutions have been hopelessly compromised by getting on board with the agenda.

The moment the state of emergency ends is the moment the invstigations of what has happened over the last nine months begin in earnest.

What has transpired probably cannot bear the light of day.

If there is no way back, then you must continue.

179802 tonys, replying to tonys, 7, #934 of 1892 🔗

On the bed wetter issue; no as an insult to ordinary people who’s only fault is to have fallen for media and government generated scare campaigns it is harsh and unfair, we should feel sorry for such people even though they often express their fear in irrational anger. For professionals however who either fall for the scares or worse promulgate them ‘bedwetter’ is insufficient, they are criminals, even if they consider their motives to be pure, the outcomes from their actions are diabolically evil and they deserve to rot in jail.

179806 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to tonys, 4, #935 of 1892 🔗

What might be an alternative to ‘bedwetter’? We need something as strong as ‘covidiot’. In fact, in my mind they are the covidiots.

179827 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Tenchy, 7, #936 of 1892 🔗

Branch Covidians.

179837 ▶▶▶▶ Jenny, replying to Liam, 2, #937 of 1892 🔗

I like Branch Covidians!

179834 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Tenchy, 5, #938 of 1892 🔗

Immune system deniers

179954 ▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Tenchy, #939 of 1892 🔗

I like Covid zealots or the hard of thinking.

179805 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 9, #940 of 1892 🔗

Here’s what I give whiners at work.

Works wonders.

179811 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #941 of 1892 🔗

Good one, but small typo for No.8…

179813 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Lms23, #942 of 1892 🔗

In my defence I was working with Americans at the time.

180304 ▶▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Awkward Git, #943 of 1892 🔗


179809 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 1, #944 of 1892 🔗

Bad news for Ireland

“With a low number of cumulative cases to date and colder weather, Ireland is looking very vulnerable and the “dam bust” is just happening


179844 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to swedenborg, 1, #945 of 1892 🔗

Dam bust? Is that cultural appropriation?

Don’t think there were any Irish on that raid. They were too busy sucking up to the Nazis

179959 ▶▶▶ hat man, replying to Cecil B, 3, #946 of 1892 🔗

‘Sucking up’? I don’t think so. I’ve read that British airmen who came down in the Republic were returned to us. Germans were interned.

179967 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to hat man, 2, #947 of 1892 🔗

Correct. Ireland also sold food to Britain throughout the war, supplied weather forecasts to the Allies and allowed the flying boat corridor across South Donegal.

180130 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to hat man, #948 of 1892 🔗

Reports of U-Boats heading into the Atlantic or towards the Irish Sea also mysteriously found their way into Naval Intelligence hands throughout the War.

180121 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Cecil B, 2, #949 of 1892 🔗

Tens of thousands from Eire served in the British Armed Forces in World War 2. This included some who deserted from the Irish Defence Forces and who were only recently pardoned.

This number does not include thousands more who came here working in war production, and still thousands more who served in the mercantile marine.

I’m afraid that the relationship between the Irish Republic and the United Kingdom is an extremely complex one. Within it, I suspect everybody can find something to complain about and something to feel good about, whichever side you stand on.

179889 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to swedenborg, #950 of 1892 🔗

Well it’s evidence of an increase in positive tests

179916 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 1, #951 of 1892 🔗

Ivor Cummings touched on this on his recent video. You can essentially place the oncoming winter pressures in the normal category as it stands.

180301 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to swedenborg, #952 of 1892 🔗

“Replying to
Thanks for the data .
Could you please add testing data ?
And influenza data 2020 and prior years?
I can’t find flu reporting after week 11.”

Covid cured influenza….
According to some stats I saw a day or so ago, only around 800+ people died from the flu in the 2019-20 season….

179814 Voz 0db, 2, #953 of 1892 🔗

When we have a Global Herd of Ignorant and Irresponsible Modern Slaves, that are conditioned to OBEY THE STATE, because after all the “laws” were written under a “democratic” umbrella, this is the ONLY OUTCOME.

The FUN PART is that this is just the BEGINNING of the Secular Ruling Families & Billionaires move into TRANSFORMING Their Planet into a more liveable ONE, because right now the Herd is emitting an awful stench.


179820 Binra, 5, #954 of 1892 🔗

A top down imposition cannot work long term as it is unsustainable, but a top down regionalism of petty powers bolsters by global funding and support can mobilise the mind-captured to snitch and marshal over their fellows in the name of the virus, or under masking in the narrative that allows funding, limited freedoms and privilege or survival.

179825 Coronamoana, replying to Coronamoana, 29, #955 of 1892 🔗

If the hospitality sector wishes to survive, it needs to be more hospitable and less hospital.

My daughter and two friends went out to a bar chain last night. They were each charged £5 to sit at the table, the service was appalling, they had to return their food twice, and she received a warning from the security guard from hugging her friend. This morning she tells me it was really unpleasant and she would rather go to someone’s home to socialise.

179831 ▶▶ John P, replying to Coronamoana, 10, #956 of 1892 🔗

Just take your custom elsewhere.

I’m sure there are still places that treat their customers like human beings.

As for the bar you mention. Who were they? Name and shame them! Then others will know to avoid them.

179833 ▶▶ Sophie123, replying to Coronamoana, 7, #957 of 1892 🔗

That is properly intrusive, of the security guard. How rude and unpleasant. Name and shame!

179907 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Coronamoana, 3, #958 of 1892 🔗

Paying for a table? Which bar chain, please?

180521 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Coronamoana, #959 of 1892 🔗

A warning from a security guard for hugging.
That’s getting into proper dystopian hell territory.

179826 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 34, #960 of 1892 🔗

There is nothing wrong with the term bedwetters to describe the nervous nellies who cower behind their masks. . They need to grow a spine along with those who take exception to the term.

The GPs letter was welcome from the point of view that we need more medical staff coming forward, this has gone on for long enough.

My mother in law has been incarcerated in the care home without seeing family members since March. They relaxed the rule for one week before they closed all access again. She saw one of her daughters for half an hour behind a perspex screen before they closed access. Now we are told one family member is allowed every 2 weeks for half hour behind screen, no hugs no touching. You wouldn’t treat a dog like this! I could literally batter Johnson and Hancock!

179845 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Bella Donna, #961 of 1892 🔗

Yep – can I have them with a large portion of chips, please?

179848 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to IanE, 2, #962 of 1892 🔗

What? Do you want food poisoning?

179859 ▶▶▶▶ IanE, replying to John P, #963 of 1892 🔗

I didn’t say that I would eat them!

179910 ▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to IanE, #964 of 1892 🔗

lol, well what do you do usually do with a large portion of chips?

179882 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to IanE, 2, #965 of 1892 🔗

I would enjoy watching them fry, not bothered about consuming them, maybe the cat.

179851 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Bella Donna, 5, #966 of 1892 🔗

I can’t get excited about the ‘bedwetter’ label issue.

… but I don’t think name-calling has much use except as a means of letting off steam. It certainly isn’t going to shame or convert anybody, because it’s beside the point of what is causing them to behave in this way. It will be seen as just another lunatic rant.

That said, I am increasingly despairing of finding any simple way of turning people round, given that quite a few intelligent people I’ve come across literally haven’t a clue about the real state of affairs, and are still getting their story from propaganda sources. Such is the extent and power of the Goebbels machine.

All we can keep doing is to plug away with the hard facts when the opportunity arises. I guess the odd shouting and cursing fit has its place – but it won’t cut the mustard.

179956 ▶▶▶ hat man, replying to RickH, 1, #967 of 1892 🔗

I call them freedom-deniers.

180499 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #968 of 1892 🔗

And here we are debating whether we are being too mean calling the hysterical cretins who make all that a reality bedwetters.

Everyone who thinks this is a good idea, should be made to live in the conditions of a nursing home, isolated from all family and friends. That’ll teach them.

Bedwetters doesn’t begin to describe these imbeciles.

179828 AnotherSceptic, 4, #969 of 1892 🔗

& the fear porn continues. It’s a shame, but
there is absolutely no need for this story, other than to maintain the fear.
They had quite severe underlying health problems.


179838 calchas, 1, #970 of 1892 🔗

JP Sears latest on ‘the pandemic’


179847 calchas, replying to calchas, 3, #971 of 1892 🔗

OK – so no bedwe*t*rs any more.

Here’s to the ‘urogically diverse’

Seriously.I’ve nevr used the ‘bedwetter’ term because I don’t think it quite captures the phenomenon.

179854 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to calchas, 6, #972 of 1892 🔗

I prefer the catchy term of “cowards who go along with nonsense for what they think is a quiet life but will ultimately turn out to be much worse for them”.

180124 ▶▶▶ watashi, replying to KBuchanan, #973 of 1892 🔗

I call them ‘believers’

179849 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 7, #974 of 1892 🔗

Communism will succeed this time. It just wasn’t BIG enough before.

179855 ▶▶ IanE, replying to James Leary #KBF, #975 of 1892 🔗

Yep, Bliar, Uncle Jo and Piffle Johnson – much the same, but look who is the biggest!

179862 ▶▶ RickH, replying to James Leary #KBF, 5, #976 of 1892 🔗

That’s right – pile on the irrelevant loopy rambling. Save 77th Brigade a job.

This is about liberty, totalitarianism, the police state, etc. – not ‘communism’.

179867 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to RickH, 7, #977 of 1892 🔗

All of these ‘isms’ come down to the same thing – a boot on your neck.

A fascist boot, a communist boot – what difference does it make to the person whose neck it is.

179914 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to calchas, 2, #978 of 1892 🔗

I reckon most here have little direct experience of communist or fascist regimes. Neither have I.

All I’ve experienced was Poland in the 1970’s.

The fact that the situation here and now in the UK is worse is certainly no recommendation for that time and place. But, just to keep perspective, it is a condemnation of Tory Britain in 2020. Sauce for the goose …

179896 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to RickH, 3, #979 of 1892 🔗

Fascism / Communism, far right / far left – it is pretty irrelevant they are installing an authoritarian police state, and unless more people start standing up to this we will be living under tyranny for a long time. Need to unite for Freedom.

179908 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Darryl, 3, #980 of 1892 🔗

Precisely. Political hobby-horse riding is worse than beside the point – it feeds those who will write off comments about the Covid scam as sectarian burble.

180082 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to RickH, 2, #981 of 1892 🔗

Agree 100%

179864 ▶▶ calchas, replying to James Leary #KBF, #982 of 1892 🔗

No, it would just fail on a bigger scale than ever before.

The USSR lasted as long as it did because it had a thriving outside world to which it could export ist raw materials.

A global Soviet would obviously not have that.

Communism does not work even on a global scale.

179866 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to calchas, 1, #983 of 1892 🔗

And we can’t teach our future engineers mathematics or physics.

180078 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to James Leary #KBF, #984 of 1892 🔗

Didn’t work before. Nor the time before that. Nor before that either. Don’t hold your breath for it working this time either.

180098 ▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to Nick Rose, #985 of 1892 🔗

Whereas the king, nobles, serfs model worked for time immemorial.

180154 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Bruno, #986 of 1892 🔗

It worked while everything remained exactly the same. Once things changed, whether it was the fall of Constantinople (closed the Silk Road to western Europe, so they had to find another way round); the Black Death (major reduction in population, allowed greater social and physical mobility); or the Renaissance/Reformation (changed people’s ideas and perspectives about themselves and the world), the old model fell apart.

There are many reasons why Communism, or its variants fail. This is not the place to discuss them, but in short consumerism, choice, alternative philosophies, human nature, instinctive greed, and the fact that not everything that can be invented has been invented are the major contributions to its failure.

Top-down economic central planning has never worked, anywhere, under any system.

180784 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to Nick Rose, #987 of 1892 🔗

Indeed; my point was more that you almost always end up with a nomenklatura at the top enjoying privileges the serfs don’t, and exploiting them, especially if there has been a sudden and violent transition via overthrow of an ancien regime. A society with a substantial educated class who realise that social provision reduces crime as well as poverty, enabling peaceful trade, seems a reasonable aspiration. Maybe the answer isn’t always 42, it’s – Sweden again.

179856 Paul, replying to Paul, 16, #988 of 1892 🔗

Out for a walk this morning and I noticed the bus shelter has got another wonderful new NHS poster,lots of happy people in muzzles with the massage ‘We’ve all got to do everything we can to keep everyone safe’ or something like that.I will have to take my marker pens next time I’m going that way.

179873 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Paul, 2, #989 of 1892 🔗

Perhaps a tin of paint and a large brush in the dead of night?

179881 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to bluemoon, 6, #990 of 1892 🔗

I use blank stickers lrinted with the message of my choice. Right over the stupid, muzzled mugs.

179893 ▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to bluemoon, 3, #991 of 1892 🔗

Banksy the propaganda

180091 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Paul, 2, #992 of 1892 🔗

Print and laminate these to post up in the bus stop:

180119 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Paul, 1, #993 of 1892 🔗

Watch out for CCTV! They do have it in bus shelters sometimes or nearby on the street.

179857 Bill Grates, replying to Bill Grates, 4, #994 of 1892 🔗

Hi Toby ,
thanks for keeping going.
But perhaps you may be reconsidering your early stance on govt motivation (ie cock-up vs conspiracy) by now it’s patently obvious this has nothing to do with public health.
we are being dragged towards a new and unexplained future by a global juggernaut and our intellectually inadequate members of the govt and parliament are unwilling or incapable of even expressing basic honesty about the true nature of the situation.

179898 ▶▶ John P, replying to Bill Grates, 5, #995 of 1892 🔗

I can’t speak for Toby Young, but I don’t see any reason to change my view on this.

It is not a global conspiracy to destroy human civilisation. Sorry. I know that some of you have convinced yourselves that it is, but you’re not going to convince me.

There are certainly vultures around who are swooping down to take advantage of the carnage. Big pharma wants it’s hunk of meat, as do the mask manufacturers.

But that doesn’t mean that covid-19 was planned.

And sure, there are globalists who are seizing the day. Gates sees it as a great opportunity to push his vaccine agenda. It’s his pet project. He thinks he’s doing good. I think he is delusional, but I do not think he is some evil mastermind plotting against humanity.

179924 ▶▶▶ James, replying to John P, 1, #996 of 1892 🔗

Sorry, but if you put everything you just said together is that not a conspiracy?

180165 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to James, 3, #997 of 1892 🔗


Vultures don’t work with hyenas. But they are always on the lookout for fresh kill.

180853 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bill95, replying to John P, #998 of 1892 🔗

That is why global conspiracies seem implausible, too many individual actors all utterly selfish and ready to betray the rest at a nanosecond’s notice, including by elling all about the conspiracy. National conspiracies within some, or most, of the locked down nations, all happening at roughly the same time because the virus is convenient cover, that sounds rather more plausible.

179928 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to John P, 2, #999 of 1892 🔗

A conspiracy would imply foreknowledge.

Hydrxychloroquine was available over the counter in France for more than 60 years.

On January 13th 2020 it was made prescription only.

Iwould love to know what prompted this decision.

180172 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to calchas, #1000 of 1892 🔗

Was it?

I don’t know the answer to this question.

If you can provide a link to the evidence for your assertion then that would be a good start.

180163 ▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to John P, #1001 of 1892 🔗

I think you have inferred more than is written. I don’t mention conspiracy.
civilisation isn’t going to end, but we are witnessing major events in the multiple agendas vying for control of the future.
one can pretend it’s not so , one can anticipate it being better. The main issue is that this isn’t about public health, and the road on which we are forced to travel is to a place many people would find totally unacceptable if given a choice. That is way it’s being done by subterfuge and manipulation.

180173 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Bill Grates, #1002 of 1892 🔗

I think you have inferred more than is written. I don’t mention conspiracy.

Erm, you do. I quote you:

“Hi Toby ,
thanks for keeping going.
But perhaps you may be reconsidering your early stance on govt motivation (ie cock-up vs conspiracy )”

180186 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to John P, -3, #1003 of 1892 🔗

Well it’s a figure of speech.

180204 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Bill Grates, -2, #1004 of 1892 🔗

To imagine all this is a misunderstanding based on good intent is misguided.
Gates is merely the visible front .
If one thinks this will just blow over and we’ll be OK after a dose of “vaccine” fine but evidence is there to be found and has been for years that the big agendas are in play now.
Please research more into these matters, conspiracy is a loaded term these days thanks to the mass propaganda we’re subjected to. However demonising the word or people who see things for what they are doesn’t mean these things don’t happen.

180226 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Bill Grates, 3, #1005 of 1892 🔗

To imagine all this is a misunderstanding based on good intent is misguided. Gates is merely the visible front.

This is your opinion. I don’t agree with it. Sorry.

180864 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bill95, replying to Bill Grates, #1006 of 1892 🔗

A big dose of vaccine will change nothing. If the cause is cockup it won’t stop the panic, if the cause is conspiracy it will just be a harmless attention getter while more sinister things go on with social credit systems in th background. The cure for the pandemic is for everyone to stop obeying tyrannical restrictions and embrace herd immunity. In a cockup scenario this cure soon becoems the obvious answer when it is seen to work, in a conspiracy scenario mass defiance of the rules still solves the problem.

179858 RickH, 4, #1007 of 1892 🔗

Not a new issue , but a major technical problem in combatting the welter of false Scary Fairy stuff at the moment, is the two-week lag in ONS all-cause mortality data, which is the one source that one can use to discredit the government nonsense by giving perspective.

179860 JohnMac, 7, #1008 of 1892 🔗

I don’t like ‘bedwetters’ because I don’t think they’re simply afraid.

I think they just prefer to go along with what they’re told, because the alternative would be to risk having to stand up to the establishment. So I prefer the term “collaborators”.

179861 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 5, #1009 of 1892 🔗

The dictator is accused of having a one night stand in Davos

Altogether now to the tune of Chubby Browns living next door to Alice

‘Who the fuck is Davos’

179894 ▶▶ Bill h, replying to Cecil B, #1010 of 1892 🔗

tell us more !?

179904 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Bill h, 1, #1011 of 1892 🔗

In the Mail

179872 calchas, 2, #1012 of 1892 🔗

A short video – 3 minutes – looking at conformity.


179879 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 5, #1013 of 1892 🔗

Army knocking on doors in Birmingham offering free Covid tests.

It needs validating. But if true. Jesus F Christ!


179886 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #1014 of 1892 🔗

There is other coverage, it is definitely true, this video is quite amusing, they don’t like being questioned. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU0BZuSwwjQ

179890 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Darryl, 3, #1015 of 1892 🔗

To be fair to them it probably wasn’t what they joined the army for.

They’re not really in a position to disobey orders are they?

179900 ▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to John P, #1016 of 1892 🔗

Don’t go with them, they are shooting people and burying them in pits on the edge of town

179949 ▶▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1017 of 1892 🔗

They will probably outsource that job to Serco in a few months time.

180113 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Darryl, 2, #1018 of 1892 🔗

No, the correct thing, as in Nazi-occupied Russia, is to make the victims dig their own graves and then shoot them.
I think most zombies are already at the digging stage.

179947 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to John P, 7, #1019 of 1892 🔗

The Army / RAF staff seem very professional and would clearly rather be doing something else. It is pretty humiliating to get the guy to drag around a granny trolley all day for a couple of bossy council workers. Why can’t they get civilians to do the job? I assume it is deliberately done to create a sense of fear and panic in the community. 750,000+ including me signed up for the volunteer service in March and most of us didn’t receive a single task to do. It’s scandalous getting the military involved in this now.

180219 ▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Darryl, 1, #1020 of 1892 🔗

I agree.

179922 ▶▶ ianric, replying to Country Mumkin, 4, #1021 of 1892 🔗

Maybe I am missing something here. Why would you need to ask people if they would like to be tested in the middle of a pandemic?

179980 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to ianric, 2, #1022 of 1892 🔗

They’re going door to door. Some people will say yes when asymptomatic or just “to be curious”. This will add to the false positive figure and a rise in “cases”.

180131 ▶▶ annie, replying to Country Mumkin, 3, #1023 of 1892 🔗

I think the army
Knocking on your door
To stick a swab up your nose
Is pretty barmy.
I don’t like it up me,
Even when it’s free.

179880 Mayo, replying to Mayo, 3, #1024 of 1892 🔗

Make of this what you will but the Covid ZOE symptom app which was the first to pick up the recent surge has been showing consistent signs of a slowdown over the past week.


179885 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Mayo, 1, #1025 of 1892 🔗

A levelling off would be expected once some sort of HiT is reached.

It’s not outright proof but more evidence to support immunity suppression.

179887 ▶▶ John P, replying to Mayo, 1, #1026 of 1892 🔗

There is no recent surge.

179903 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Mayo, 6, #1027 of 1892 🔗

As Kary Mullis said of his PCR test :”To test for a specific virus, and suggest that the result has any special meaning is a problem in terms of interpretation,”

180004 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Mayo, #1028 of 1892 🔗

good news!

179884 Chris John, replying to Chris John, 2, #1029 of 1892 🔗

Not bedwetters. Make it sophisticated.
Covid Chaise-lounge micturators.
Posh bastard bedwetters

179930 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Chris John, 1, #1030 of 1892 🔗

Wee, sleekit, cow’rin, tim’rous beastie,
O, what a panic’s in thy breastie!
Thou need na start awa sae hasty,
Wi’ bickering brattle!
I wad be laith to rin an’ chase thee,
Wi’ murd’ring pattle!

179933 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Chris John, #1031 of 1892 🔗

Wee, sleekit, cow’rin, tim’rous beastie,
O, what a panic’s in thy breastie!
Thou need na start awa sae hasty,
Wi’ bickering brattle!
I wad be laith to rin an’ chase thee,
Wi’ murd’ring pattle!

179955 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Chris John, 1, #1032 of 1892 🔗

Je Suis un bedwetteur.

180075 ▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to calchas, 1, #1033 of 1892 🔗

I was pissing by your door…

180109 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to calchas, #1034 of 1892 🔗

Je suis un pissenlit.
‘I am a dandelion.’

179888 Novidnineteen, replying to Novidnineteen, 7, #1035 of 1892 🔗

In response to the letter expressing reservations about the term “bedwetter”, I have spent an enjoyable few hours dipping in and out of thought about it, because I don’t think it’s an adequate term, and as such I have been trying to think of a better one. I have not used it verbally, I have preferred coward, wimp, or moron, and I don’t usually comment on these matters, so I haven’t typed it either.

Whilst I haven’t been able to come up with a suitable personal term, I am reminded of a non-word I came up with a while ago: blithonym, to mean a combination of various forms of bluster, hot air, and general nonsense under one word or phrase, such as Track and Trace or Protect the NHS.

I am content to leave the sensible talking to messrs Gupta, Levitt, Heneghan, among others, and am happy that the Great Barrington Declaration is gathering support. That it has been shadowbanned is an unexpected boost, because these tactics are invariably self defeating.

My thanks for a very engaging question. Inadequate and unprofessional use of language has been at the root of this whole business, and finding and trying to reduce one’s own limitations is time well spent.

179919 ▶▶ Howie59, replying to Novidnineteen, 4, #1036 of 1892 🔗

“Inadequate and unprofessional use of language has been at the root of this whole business.”

Indeed. And will continue to be. It is this language that we as skeptics cannot control. So to think that we are now debating the correct language to use for those who are incapable of making the distinction between what constitutes a case and a positive test is frankly laughable.

Many people are metaphorically wetting their beds and no use of correct language will change that. Wearing masks in cars is conclusive proof of this. Facts won’t change for them what is now a religion. Covid disciples.

179925 ▶▶ James, replying to Novidnineteen, 4, #1037 of 1892 🔗

How about: collaborators. It would make people think twice.

180843 ▶▶▶ Bill95, replying to James, #1038 of 1892 🔗

Describe each of them as a Vidkun Covid-ling?

179899 calchas, 1, #1039 of 1892 🔗

Book of Exodus – 21:5 to 21:7

“…5But if the servant declares, ‘I love my master and my wife and children; I do not want to go free,’ 6 then his master is to bring him before the judges. And he shall take him to the door or doorpost and pierce his ear with an awl. Then he shall serve his master for life. 7And if a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as the menservants do.…

The author of these lines long ago recognized that many value perceived security over freedom.

179906 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 11, #1040 of 1892 🔗

I’ve made a few more visualisations, from the ONS data, for anyone here interested.
I’d like to do a better Flu comparison, but the figures for this year are complete nonsense. Either way, I’m now convinced ( if I wasn’t already ) that this was an elderly care crisis, mainly by poorly managed, western governments. All the media hysteria and big tech driven politics aside.


179927 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #1041 of 1892 🔗

That is useful thank you, it amazes me that we do not get this sort of straightforward comparison in the media. It will be interesting to see how the final figures for 2020 compare with other years, apart from the April spike 2020 does not look to be an unduly bad year for deaths.
The media and the government advisers are currently terrified that we are only weeks away from high death rates again but I wonder if we will see relatively normal rates of death from respiratory illness and that it will just be that they are recorded as Covid rather than any other respiratory disease?

179941 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #1042 of 1892 🔗

“it amazes me that we do not get this sort of straightforward comparison in the media.”

It’s simple, Steve – the evidence doesn’t fit the narrative.

180036 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #1043 of 1892 🔗

It could be, that when finally measured January – January, we could be looking at a worse than average year, but probably not the apocalyptic numbers that have been forecast. Of course, suicides aside, this doesn’t really take into account the long term effects on health of the lockdowns.

179962 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #1044 of 1892 🔗

Great Chart

Looking at the year-to-date for England and Wales separately, the number of deaths for England was 425,995 , which is 52,345 (14.0%) more than the five-year average. Of these, 50,195 (11.8%) mentioned COVID-19. In Wales, the number of deaths up to 25 September 2020 was 27,114, which is 2,049 (8.2%) more than the five-year average; of these, 2,587 deaths (9.5%) mentioned COVID-19.

  • Looking at deaths that have occurred so far in 2020 and were registered by 5 September, 365,889 deaths occurred in England (33,003 more than the five-year average for January to August) and 23,416 in Wales (1,061 more than the five-year average). 34064 above 5 year average.

Looking at September things look normal though rising slowly but below 5 year average

They seem to have two figures on the run weekly analysis 52345 more

Monthly 33003 more
They seem to be out by about 20000

180030 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Steeve, 1, #1045 of 1892 🔗

Yeah, it’s all over the place.

180000 ▶▶ Julian, replying to PoshPanic, #1046 of 1892 🔗

Brilliant. Is it adjusted for population?

180013 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Julian, #1047 of 1892 🔗

It’s per 100.000, so yes. The historic flu chart in the animation isn’t though

180074 ▶▶ JoeBlogg, replying to PoshPanic, #1048 of 1892 🔗

I wonder how many other times throughout the years governments have ordered sick patients from hospitals into elderly care homes?

179917 Cecil B, 4, #1049 of 1892 🔗

Why are the army wearing council bibs?


Why are the council wearing army uniforms?


179929 John P, replying to John P, 15, #1050 of 1892 🔗

Good news:

The Great Barrington Declaration is again appearing as the first result of a search on google.

179934 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to John P, 2, #1051 of 1892 🔗

So it is – interesting. However, as someone pointed out below, having the likes of Google censor is perhaps helps the cause. I’m not sure either way.

180216 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1052 of 1892 🔗

Google did censor it, but they must have relented.

179942 ▶▶ James, replying to John P, 5, #1053 of 1892 🔗

Google made a blunder by shadow banning it.

179950 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to James, 2, #1054 of 1892 🔗

All pub is good pub.

180025 ▶▶▶▶ Arkansas, replying to Basics, #1055 of 1892 🔗

I’ll raise a glass to that!

180060 ▶▶▶ Van Allen, replying to James, 1, #1056 of 1892 🔗

Yes it’s made a lot more people aware of the censorship that goes on at Google. Hopefully a lot of people have changed their default search engine permanently.

179951 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to John P, #1057 of 1892 🔗


179932 Tenchy, 7, #1058 of 1892 🔗

“UK infection rate is doubling every 8 to 16 days” says Van-Tam. That’s one hell of a leeway he’s allowed himself. Are these people coached in the use of bullshit?

179935 James, replying to James, 15, #1059 of 1892 🔗

There is a ongoing tendency in all of us to minimise the awfulness of what is going on. Crimes against humanity are being sanctioned and mandated by the state and the medical establishment. Those of us who complain are to some extent conscious of the horror. Those who deny it is happening at all are truly collaborating in the birth of a fascist state. They should be named as such.

179945 ▶▶ chaos, replying to James, 4, #1060 of 1892 🔗

Kier and Boris are in cahoots. This is a coup. But the backbenchers (and even some of the front bench) are just sheeple like the masses, following orders. All is not lost yet.. but it isn’t looking good. You need to work out NOW what you will do when they tell you that you must take the vaccine. What will be in the vaccine? Fuck knows.

179938 Lockdown Truth, replying to Lockdown Truth, 3, #1061 of 1892 🔗

What % of current “cases” are asymptomatic?

According to the likes of the WHO, PHE, etc what is the risk of getting infected from somebody with no symptoms?

179944 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Lockdown Truth, 5, #1062 of 1892 🔗

Pointless to keep focusinng on covid. We are long past that. The end goal is the great faux green black mirror reset. The virus is just a stepping stone to digital ID and control. What will be in the mandatory vaccine? Who knows. But they want depopulation. Tin foil hat? No. Wake up.

179948 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to chaos, 2, #1063 of 1892 🔗

I don’t agree with your opinion.

179952 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Basics, 6, #1064 of 1892 🔗

It’s getting increasingly harder to claim this all just incompetence.

179982 ▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to DRW, 3, #1065 of 1892 🔗


180066 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to DRW, 1, #1066 of 1892 🔗

Doesn’t mean you have to fall for/believe in absolutely anything and everything else though, no matter how far-fetched.

180118 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #1067 of 1892 🔗

I’m not fully on board with all of it. But big agendas are definitely in play here.

180145 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to DRW, #1068 of 1892 🔗

Oh yes, people with an agenda to push are definitely pushing. No question about that. Not so convinced TPTB are listening to them, though,

179946 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Lockdown Truth, 2, #1069 of 1892 🔗

By chance Lockdown T please see my post just after you question. 8/10 positives are asymptomatic according to Edinburgh Univesity Study published around Weds last week.

180055 ▶▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to Basics, 1, #1070 of 1892 🔗


179939 chaos, 9, #1071 of 1892 🔗

Stanley Johnson worked for Rockefeller. Carrie Symonds works for Oceana – another Rockerfeller organisation. Kier Starmer is on the trilateral commission – another Rockerfeller entity. To say we are in deep trouble is something of an understatement. What we are witnessing and experiencing is a coup.

179940 Basics, replying to Basics, 11, #1072 of 1892 🔗

Edinburgh University peer reviewed study finds:

Lockdowns will cause far more deaths longterm.

8 out of 10 who are testing positive have no symptoms of SARS-CoV-2.

Lockdown prevents the build up of herd immunity.

Lockdowns have made things worse in 19 out of the 20 ‘Northern’ towns that had local lockdowns imposed.

The study used only data that was known back in March – the implication is the Government advisors and therefore Governments knew that their actions would increase death. A very interesting listen. It has Richie Allen dissecting the skynews interview for his radio show – never-the-less Prof Atland’s answers are clear and unambiguous.

Sky News interview of Professor Graham Atland starts at 10 mins in for several moments. https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/richieallen/episodes/2020-10-08T11_19_17-07_00

179970 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Basics, 8, #1073 of 1892 🔗

With regard to the 8 out of 10 +ve’s with no symptoms, by my understanding of the disease these are people who are immune from getting Covid disease (with some being false +ve’s). As I understand it, if we do get a vaccine that is how the vaccine will work.
So by my book all these huge case infection figures are actually a huge outbreak of immunity. In saner times the information that most people are proving immune to Covid 19 would be greeted as good news. But it appears we do not live in sane times.

179953 Jay Berger, replying to Jay Berger, 11, #1074 of 1892 🔗

Joseph Goebbels describing very exactly what’s happening around the world since early 2020:
“If you tell a lie big often enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

179960 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Jay Berger, 7, #1075 of 1892 🔗

“The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie.

The importance of furlough.

179976 ▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to calchas, 5, #1076 of 1892 🔗

Sunak is all in too.

180044 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Jay Berger, -6, #1077 of 1892 🔗

Perhaps. But at least he’s not a fucking Nazi.

180061 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to John P, 2, #1078 of 1892 🔗

Sort of Johnson’s Albert Speer perhaps?

180206 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Nick Rose, -2, #1079 of 1892 🔗

It wasn’t praise.

180038 ▶▶ John P, replying to Jay Berger, -9, #1080 of 1892 🔗

This saying has been attributed to Geobbels. I’ve heard it before.

I’m not sure it needs attributing to this monster as though he was some sort of font of all wisdom.

Quite honestly, I think it is very very bad form to quote Nazis on here.

180058 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to John P, 6, #1081 of 1892 🔗

Given what’s going on, I think it is perfectly apt to quote them.

180208 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Nick Rose, -4, #1082 of 1892 🔗

Yes, but there might be a problem when the lockdown zealots start saying,

“Oh that site, they’re all Nazi sympathisers on there!”

180070 ▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to John P, 2, #1083 of 1892 🔗

It’s historical, and the conclusions people are making concerning the methods being used by today’s politicians ties pretty neatly to what the Nazis said and did.
And I say this as some who’s grandfather died in a German concentration camp.

He was drunk and fell out the guard tower…

180210 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Chris John, -3, #1084 of 1892 🔗

Yes, I agree.

But the original poster in attributing the saying to Goebbels was indirectly praising him.

180147 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to John P, 2, #1085 of 1892 🔗

It’s about the use of propaganda, and how it’s used by dictatorships to get people to do terrible things. Under the current circumstances, it’s highly relevant.
Nice people don’t do or say such things as that quoted above. We can’t limit ourselves to just quoting nice people.
Know your enemy.

180213 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Lms23, -3, #1086 of 1892 🔗

I know what you are saying.

But why not just say this without attribution?

179958 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 9, #1087 of 1892 🔗


Can only describe this kind of article as insane. I can understand people who believe the masks myth through the application of misplaced common sense arguments, but zealous calls to mask everyone all the time is so far removed from reality and angers me greatly. So this is just a rant. I do apologise.

This particularly enraged and self centered person wants us to feel that if we just listen to her the whole thing will be over. They literally claim in this article masks alone will bringing this to a close.

They don’t want us to blame individuals who don’t wear masks of course, no, that would upset her self image as a humane, caring person. Instead she wants us to blame the government so they’ll slap fines on those individuals and force them to wear masks, save she might have to do any of the enforcement herself. She gets to outsource the blame and the work, thereby maintaining her virtuous self image and help the world by bringing this to a close.

They have no concept of self accountability. They have no knowledge of risk and are so far removed from what is really going on they feel compelled to write numerous articles about how masks will save the world.

179981 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1088 of 1892 🔗

Honestly, I couldn’t get through it. The author was so hysterical and self-righteous that it was unreadable.

180067 ▶▶ Chris John, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1089 of 1892 🔗

Crazier than a shithouse rat 🐀

180071 ▶▶ Bruno, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1090 of 1892 🔗

In stark contrast to Giesecke being downright firm about their lack of efficacy in the non hospital setting this morning on R4!

180101 ▶▶ annie, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1091 of 1892 🔗

The. Foul. Cow.

180158 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1092 of 1892 🔗

It’s called virtue signalling.
Medium seems to host a lot of unsavoury people, e.g. Stuart Badsen, who admitted that Extinction Rebellion was nothing to do with climate change, but about ending capitalism and the patriarchy…

Dr.Karlyn Borysenko also wrote her article about why she’d left the Democrats, and went to a Trump rally. The article doesn’t appear to be available any more. Can’t think why….


180162 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1093 of 1892 🔗

“Ruth 40-something mum of two, Merseyside.”

Call social services????

180245 ▶▶ leggy, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #1094 of 1892 🔗

The TERROR of talking with someone not wearing a mask. This is a mental illness, pure and simple. A state and media induced one, but a mental illness all the same.

180446 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1095 of 1892 🔗

She’s insane!

179963 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 12, #1096 of 1892 🔗



1282 children year 0-17 died of swinefluH1N1 in the US during 2009-2010 swine flu pandemic total deaths 12500 that is an astonishing 10 % of all swine flu deaths were in children!
C-19 presently 219000 deaths in the US of C-19. Death in age 0-14 years (0-17 year not available) of C-19 is presently 72 Oct 7 th . That is 0.033% of all C-19 deaths compared to swine flu 10% of all swine flu deaths.

The risk of children dying of swine flu was almost 18 times more than dying from C-19.

 Does anyone think that MSM and general public is aware of this enormous difference?
The level of hysteria during the swine flu for schools and children never reached even a fraction of the current school and University hysteria for C-19.

180005 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 3, #1097 of 1892 🔗

All logic to support the hysteria is balled so tightly that context finds it difficult to penetrate it.

Fear is now equivalent to compassion

179964 James Marker, replying to James Marker, 7, #1098 of 1892 🔗

A comment on the latest polling. That a majority of people appear to support lockdown is not surprising when the MSM and tech giants continue to pour out SAGE propaganda, giving particular prominence to the more extreme members of that self-righteous organisation. Some of the journalists behind this campaign are clearly politically motivated; but I suspect others are simply unwilling to admit mistakes when they first reported on Covid, despite all the evidence now staring them in the face. The tragedy is that these people, in protecting their own vanity, are helping to pile up the collateral damage.

180032 ▶▶ Van Allen, replying to James Marker, 4, #1099 of 1892 🔗

I know a couple of lockdown supporters (luckily most people I associate with are not). The thing is they both actually break the guidelines. One runs a business and has refused to let his office staff work at home this time even though it worked ok when they were forced to in March. The other obviously doesn’t socially isolate with (non bubble) family members -taking them out in the car etc. They definitely agree with the restrictions but they only follow the ones that suit them. One dislikes his family so the rule of six doesn’t affect him and neither go out beyond 10pm. I think many of the supporters do support the rules but only for other people (and themselves when it suits them)!

180050 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Van Allen, 3, #1100 of 1892 🔗

The people I know who are in favour of the lockdowns and social distancing and the rest constantly break the rules; they clearly think the rules are for others.

180629 ▶▶ matt, replying to James Marker, #1101 of 1892 🔗

People support lockdown for other people. Hypocrisy (probably the most human of traits) has had a grand outing in the last 7 months. I blame other people for not obeying the rules, but I have a perfectly legitimate excuse for not obeying them myself and anyway, they have Covid, I don’t have Covid. Pretty transparent.

179966 AngloWelshDragon, replying to AngloWelshDragon, #1102 of 1892 🔗

Can any one confirm my impression that the fake track and trace app is no longer available? I’m guessing it has been hacked or the creator has been shamed into removing it after he was doxxed by Vice.

180012 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 1, #1103 of 1892 🔗

I think there was alternative mirrors made available, its in the wild now. there is also another web site the does the web app version. Not sure where it is.

180833 ▶▶▶ Bill95, replying to Two-Six, #1104 of 1892 🔗

If you find it you can probably download the html page and asociated files for the web app and keep yourself a local coy on the device, still good even if the actual website goes down again. On a PC most browsers have a “Save page as” option, then copy the html file and folder which are produced to the phone and work out how to get the phone’s browser to open something within its own filesystem.

179968 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 8, #1105 of 1892 🔗

They are not going to stop unless forced. Stupid people who believe all the propaganda about covid are forcing their own jobs out of business. No wonder the politicians laugh

180085 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #1106 of 1892 🔗

The only consolation is that those in favour of these ludicrous lockdowns are decreasing in number

179969 Jay Berger, 17, #1107 of 1892 🔗

As lawyer Gordon Pankalla stated at yesterday’s demo in Bonn:
“The fact alone that there are no rules about what kind of face covering one must wear, that you can also just wear a (…ridiculously useless against a virus or viral droplet) scarve, for example, are clear proof that these mask mandates are absolutely NOT about a medical issue.
They are solely put in place to make you shut up, to signal your consent with government policies and reduce or identify the dissenters thereby.”

They are just: Gessler’s hats/Hitler salutes.
(And on top of that, they are even a
health hazard to the consenting, stupid wearer. But maybe, that’s also intentional.)

Needless to say, he is not a fan of the vaccines and health passports either.

179971 George Dance, replying to George Dance, 1, #1108 of 1892 🔗

Earlier this morning, I found and replied to a kind comment on my Wuhan article (linked by Toby today). Now, checking in again in the hope of more, I find both comment and reply are gone.

Both posts had links to another site, and I suspect that’s why they were removed. I’d like to be certain, though, so I’m asking.

179977 ▶▶ calchas, replying to George Dance, #1109 of 1892 🔗

I have no idea George.

I would love to read it thoughif you leave the link here again plase.


180169 ▶▶▶ George Dance, replying to calchas, #1110 of 1892 🔗

And I’d love to give it again, thanks. So, since it looks like one link is OK:


180007 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to George Dance, #1111 of 1892 🔗

I believe more than two links in a post is removed? It could be an auto moderation feature

179974 AngloWelshDragon, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 4, #1112 of 1892 🔗

I also would like to know how many people have downloaded the real track and trace app. I’m guessing it is still not that many or else the government would be bragging about it.

179983 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to AngloWelshDragon, #1113 of 1892 🔗

Just pretend to do It, like me and I suspect (hope) loads of other people.

179994 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 9, #1114 of 1892 🔗

Germany 14 million on day 1.
16 million 2 months later…..
Those who download it are the zealots, on day 1.
Then, it dies a slow, deserved death and/as thereby, it also becomes totally useless.

180033 ▶▶▶ LGDTLK, replying to Jay Berger, 4, #1115 of 1892 🔗

I use it to checkin where asked. This is a faff but for me it’s marginally better than giving out my personal details every time. But for each use I do the following. Start it up fresh with a false postcode, Accept all the crap it asks for then check in and show the door sentry if asked. When out of sight immediately cancel the venue check-in, turn off bluetooth and location, go into the app details in settings, turn off notifications , clear data and force stop. It then sits on my phone deactivated until I use it next. This process effectively gets me in where I’m asked to use it but renders it effectively useless as a tracing app.

180037 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Jay Berger, 2, #1116 of 1892 🔗

I think we’re on 12 million downloads. And have been for weeks…

180084 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Jay Berger, 9, #1117 of 1892 🔗

Hell will freeze over before I download that rubbish. If I was to go somewhere that insisted I use the app I would simply turn around and go somewhere else. The fact that only 12 million people have downloaded the thing gives the lie to the opinion polls, imho.

179996 ▶▶ Van Allen, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 1, #1118 of 1892 🔗

Do the figures for downloads include the people who have downloaded it and then deleted it?

180024 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 1, #1119 of 1892 🔗

I don,t have a phone. It downloaded (whatever that means) onto the OH’s phone without being invited

180367 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Cecil B, #1120 of 1892 🔗

if you get a hammer and hit your phone a few times it fucks up the app.

180086 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to AngloWelshDragon, #1121 of 1892 🔗

AWD: Around 16 million in the UK, I believe.

179975 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #1122 of 1892 🔗

How genuine is the Labour reaction to Boris’s new lockdown plans for the north?

179978 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Londo Mollari, 4, #1123 of 1892 🔗

They are just playing party politics.

Maybe get more money for the councils they control.

179992 ▶▶▶ Van Allen, replying to calchas, #1124 of 1892 🔗

I haven’t looked into it too much but I’m assuming the new furlough scheme which is aimed at businesses forced to close through local lockdowns is just a ruse to encourage the local mayors etc. in charge to be advocating more local lockdowns.

180072 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Londo Mollari, #1125 of 1892 🔗

It’s all about the money. If they truly cared they would be pushing for the money, but simultaneously pushing for lockdown to end. They are doing one, but not the other. Draw your own conclusions!

180087 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Londo Mollari, 5, #1126 of 1892 🔗

As genuine as a £9 note?

179979 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 36, #1127 of 1892 🔗

I asked an Amish man how come they haven’t had any corona virus cases. He said because they don’t watch t.v.

179990 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Smelly Melly, 7, #1128 of 1892 🔗

Ah that’s just bloody marvellous!

180079 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Smelly Melly, 5, #1129 of 1892 🔗


179984 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 6, #1130 of 1892 🔗

Good news that Google have un-shadow banned the GBD, phew. Good new about professional BS merchant Musk going sceptical. Phew.

On the subject of bedwetters, I don’t think this term should be used, it’s a bit crap, like somebody else said very public school, very boys in the dorm, a dated term.

Apart from that it is a perjorative. Much as we dislike the kind of person that it is used to describe and the sentiments attached to it it is not helpful. It gives opponents more ammunition.

Tricky one, I like Branch Covidians but again that is a pejorative and Toby, as a reputable professional, pejoratives should be avoided. There is no need to put people down, its just a cheap shot. It doesn’t help. It’s the sort of thing I would do and that’s why I am not a journalist.

Leave the put downs and cheap shots to us in the comments section, this is one area where we really “stand out”.

It’s not a matter of free speech either really just bettering your writing style.

I have to say this, my Mum has been hinting at the idea that this site has another agenda, she keeps telling me “but ahh what are they really trying to tell you”. So I asked her what she actually means by this, she said “well its because Toby Young is a eugenicist”

She got this from my brother no doubt who is seemingly a radical lefty now, very into the covid fairy tale. I haven’t talked to him for ages, as our views on covid are totally divergent. We just can’t talk about it sensibly. I know he will have used this as his reason not to even click on this page let alone read it.

I think what he was probably referring to was something Toby wrote about allowing poor families to pick eggs or sperm from intelligent parents in order to upwardly drive their social mobility. Well a bit out there perhaps but no different to wealthy people choosing their kids from a genetics catalogue.

Anyway just saying, don’t give possible converts any reason to not click here. It will take almost nothing to divert people like my brother away.

180035 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Two-Six, 4, #1131 of 1892 🔗

Good new about professional BS merchant Musk going sceptical .”

I recall some very early sceptical comments from Musk, which I quoted in the comments here back in May, I think. I’m not a huge fan generally, which is one reason I took notice, along with the fact that celeb sceptical stuff was like rocking horse droppings at the time.

180068 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Mark, 3, #1132 of 1892 🔗

Yes, Musk has been a vocal sceptic from the very start – and has had an ongoing spat with Bill Gates about his lack of a ‘science’ background. He is an interesting character, and I agree, not someone I am a fan of, especially after his trashing of Vernon Unsworth (the Thai cave rescue). However, he is very well-connected!

180108 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Two-Six, 3, #1133 of 1892 🔗

Today’s suggestion is not quite in the same league as putting abortion clinics in black neighbourhoods in the hope they’ll abort all of their next generation (eg, Planned Parenthood in the U.S.)

I can see Toby’s viewpoint, but decent education would go a lot further to improve the lives of the poor. In this country, up until the sixties and the Wilson government, that’s what we had. Then they decided to get rid of all grammar schools, to level the playing field, supposedly, and then dumbed down the education for all but those who could pay for private education.

180127 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1134 of 1892 🔗

I think Musk called Ferguson a bit of a tool or something along those lines.

180366 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Two-Six, #1135 of 1892 🔗

I went to Private School and it never did me any harm

179985 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 3, #1136 of 1892 🔗

Another little shocker from you tube today.

What do you think of this? A very quick clip. It suggests Covid 19 doesn’t exist at all. That they can’t isolate it. It says CDC and FDA know that.

It’s sending me a bit potty today..!!


179998 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Country Mumkin, #1137 of 1892 🔗

Of course Mumkin that just shows how dangerous the virus is.

They seek him here.

They seek him there.

They seek Coroni everywhere.

It’s an impossible task

Just wear a mask.

That will protect us

That they swear

180324 ▶▶ James, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #1138 of 1892 🔗

You are slow to catch on. But better late than never.

179986 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 12, #1139 of 1892 🔗

My late father and mother served in the RAF and WRAF during the second world war

Both had very close shaves with death

When they married they were each given two days leave and then had to go back to their respective rolls not knowing if they would ever see each other again

To see the RAF used against the people in this way has made me cry

We must rid ourselves of this pig dictator

180223 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Cecil B, #1140 of 1892 🔗

What are the RAF up to? Have I missed something?

179987 Jay Berger, 16, #1141 of 1892 🔗

The coroner at Germany’s most prestigious hospital, the Charité in Berlin (sadly also the employer of Germany’s biggest criminal), talks about ignoring anti-autopsy guidance and that the biggest problem and vast majority of people now landing on his table are lockdown victims, who literally locked themselves in for 6 months, were too fearful to get out or see a doctor, and died in filth and squalor.
So much for Germany’s ‘success’.

179993 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 4, #1142 of 1892 🔗

When I was a kid I’d get nasty soar throats every so often like everyone else. When I was in my early twenties I had a week where I couldn’t eat because of a nasty throat infection. But since then nothing, apart from a slight headache and background throat inconvenience every so often, that soon went away as my immunity fought things off

Is it possible that all the viruses are related, and once you’ve had a few you’ve had them all?

But even though I have immunity, could I not test positive when my immunity fights off one of the inter-bred viruses?

And when I get old and frail and my immune system starts to fail through other illnesses, could I not be finished off naturally by a virus I was once immune to?

(never had flu as far as I’m aware, and never a flu jab)

180031 ▶▶ John P, replying to Major Panic, #1143 of 1892 🔗

Is it possible that all the viruses are related, and once you’ve had a few you’ve had them all?

No, the flu virus is an entirely different sort of virus to a coronavirus.

I get colds and bugs occasionally. Maybe once every three years or so. Sometimes even bad enough for me to take to my bed.

I think I once had the flu about 20-25 years ago when I still lived with my parents. Self diagnosis though.

180059 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to John P, 1, #1144 of 1892 🔗

Thanks, when I said related I meant all corona viruses related, all flu viruses related, all rhino viruses related, etc – and if you’ve had one or two of each then are you likely have good immunity to the next one that comes along? cos I don’t get ill, haven’t been for 30 years, though I am quite sure I have been exposed to many viruses over last 30 years.

180083 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Major Panic, #1145 of 1892 🔗

I think about 15% of colds are caused by coronaviruses, so yes, maybe you would have pre-existing immunity from them if you had had a coronavirus cold.

However, I have never in my life (and I am over 50) been tested for a virus. I doubt many other people have either before this year. As far as I am concerned a cold is a cold.

Maybe my colds have been caused by coronaviruses, maybe by rhinoviruses. Who knows?

The thing is, ones own anecdotal experience of these things is not scientific.

Maybe you are immune to some viruses, maybe we all are?

But who cares, a cold is trivial. As is Covid-19 for the majority of people that get it.

180090 ▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to John P, 1, #1146 of 1892 🔗

LOL well I care – and your answer suggests you missed my point and have answered something else, but thanks anyway
it is surely part of the basis for ‘natural’ immunity and the various definitions of herd immunity

180095 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Major Panic, #1147 of 1892 🔗

I repeat:

Ones own anecdotal experience of these things is not scientific.

180102 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to John P, #1148 of 1892 🔗

Bit lots of ‘ones’ makes a herd

180105 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Major Panic, -2, #1149 of 1892 🔗

Quite possibly, who knows? Let me rephrase that for you:

Your anecdotal experience of these things is not scientific.

180111 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to John P, 1, #1150 of 1892 🔗

”who knows” well not you or me, but maybe there’s a clever person in here who does have an idea – and that is who my questions were aimed at….

180120 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Major Panic, #1151 of 1892 🔗

look, I was trying to be helpful, but you seem intent on regarding my comments with hostility.

I have no idea why.

I’m not trying to insult your intelligence. Maybe stop trying to insult mine?

I have a degree in Chemistry.

180132 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to John P, 1, #1152 of 1892 🔗

well my degree in mechanical engineering is equally unhelpful regarding my question. Its a bit rich you accusing others of hostility, I generally try to treat you, with your various names, with kid gloves

180134 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Major Panic, -1, #1153 of 1892 🔗

Good God. Who the hell are you? Seriously.

180148 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Major Panic, 1, #1154 of 1892 🔗

PS: I have no idea who you are, but my guess is that “Major Panic” is not your real name.

We are all private individuals here. And, while I would personally prefer that all persons use their real names, I understand that people wish to retain their anonymity.

I will continue to comment as and when I want to, as should you.

And, if you, as you arrogantly assert, want to treat my comments with “kid gloves” then why have you chosen to respond to every comment I have posted up to now?

You don’t have to respond. I shall now return the favour and treat your comments with “kid gloves”.

180150 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to John P, 2, #1155 of 1892 🔗

i used to have a degree in chemistry but now i’m older i’ve cleansed up my act

180151 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Biker, -1, #1156 of 1892 🔗

I know the feeling biker.

180104 ▶▶▶▶▶ watashi, replying to John P, -1, #1157 of 1892 🔗

I would say one’s own anecdotal experience/evidence is the basis of science

180112 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to watashi, 1, #1158 of 1892 🔗

Evidence is the basis of science.

Anecdote and personal experience certainly are not!

180337 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to John P, -1, #1159 of 1892 🔗

and Science is like Yin and Yang but reality isn’t science, it’s the line in-between yin and yang.

180125 ▶▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to Major Panic, 1, #1160 of 1892 🔗

But how much does your lifestyle resemble that of a battery hen? Very little, I’m guessing. Seems to me that humans’ disease problems began as soon as we started spending so much time living indoors. And of course the most dosed up, vaccinated creatures on the planet are our cheap , intensively produced food sources, pigs and chickens.

180133 ▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Bruno, 1, #1161 of 1892 🔗

And the best part of LDs? They keep people indoors!

180057 ▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to Major Panic, 1, #1162 of 1892 🔗

I had chicken pox twice as a young child and have suffered from my fair share of nasty colds since, but nothing more serious than that (I’ve never had the flu as far as I know). I’ve always wondered if there was a relationship.

180106 ▶▶▶ watashi, replying to nocheesegromit, #1163 of 1892 🔗

sure there is. Those childhood infections have been shown to protect adults from all sorts of other illnesses..cancers included.

180129 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Major Panic, 1, #1164 of 1892 🔗

I usually get at least one cold a year, sometimes twice. Happened most recently in February and last November.

180135 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to DRW, #1165 of 1892 🔗

LOl – well I had similar after traveling via China last December and after a colleague came back from china mid February – but very mild

180155 ▶▶ George Dance, replying to Major Panic, 1, #1166 of 1892 🔗

Not all viruses are related, but there are coronaviruses that cause common colds. Dr. Gupta’s been looking at the question of cross-immunity to COVID-19 from those.

180002 Major Panic, 9, #1167 of 1892 🔗

Its great to see nurses, doctors, scientists and other exports feel comfortable giving Toby things to publish on his and Wills daily LS page updates – the more professional they keep it the more likely other experts will feel comfortable giving LS more good stuff to report on…

180003 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 24, #1168 of 1892 🔗

Is this bad? Got my niece all of a flutter about her mask wearing now when she said she had a headache and felt a bit sick, wanted to me to say maybe it was covid, but I said ‘maybe you’ve been breathing in too much carbon dioxide from wearing your mask, that’s what happens and it can be dangerous’. Didnt know that she said.

180011 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Dan Clarke, 5, #1169 of 1892 🔗

Good work :o))

180029 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #1170 of 1892 🔗

No, commons sense IMO.

180224 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #1171 of 1892 🔗

The human body is very sensitive to changes in CO2 because it changes the pH of the body, which cells generally, and the nervous system in particular, don’t like. In the short term the body will react to changes in CO2 more strongly than changes in oxygen so it can maintain the correct acid/alkali balance

180010 calchas, replying to calchas, 10, #1172 of 1892 🔗

Why is ‘social distancing’ not called ‘physical distancing’ or even just ‘distancing’?

180026 ▶▶ Sasha, replying to calchas, 20, #1173 of 1892 🔗

I call it anti-social distancing.

180099 ▶▶▶ watashi, replying to Sasha, 3, #1174 of 1892 🔗

me too

180034 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to calchas, 2, #1175 of 1892 🔗

Because it is distancing from people.

180077 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #1176 of 1892 🔗

You say that, but I have seen a stand here blue circle on the pavement in front of a cash machine. No other 2 meter circles on the pavement. Guess cash machines must be included!

180043 ▶▶ dickyboy, replying to calchas, 1, #1177 of 1892 🔗

its a phrase that has Cummings written all over it.

180065 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to dickyboy, #1178 of 1892 🔗

Its a phrase that has been used globally and translated into all the world’s languages. Cummings isn’t responsible for this shit he is just using it for a smokescreen for brexit and the transformation of the UK into a new global panopticon.

180122 ▶▶▶▶ helen, replying to Two-Six, 2, #1179 of 1892 🔗

Well said…..2-6

180097 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to calchas, 2, #1180 of 1892 🔗

This was challenged on the BBC by a viewer on the Victoria sth show before it got axed, and she agreed.
I have never used the term sd, only physical distancing.
It is a term deliberately used to divide people.

180264 ▶▶ George Dance, replying to calchas, 1, #1181 of 1892 🔗

I’ve always used ‘physical distancing’ for things like the 6-foot rule and the rule of 6, and ‘social distancing’ as a broader category that includes things like Zooming rather than meeting and ordering in rather than eating out. I know some people don’t like the word “social,” because of the way some others use it, but I don’t want to concede the words “social” or “society” to the latter. Society isn’t the government; society is what the government wrecked in March.

180336 ▶▶ Binra, replying to calchas, #1182 of 1892 🔗

You don’t get it. Its the science of deconditioning and reconditioning human behaviours. Not making sense in terms of who you think you are and what you think the world or anything is or should be.

180018 Sir Patrick Vaccine, 8, #1183 of 1892 🔗

As I Walked Out – Van Morrison

Gets straight to the point about lockdown


“As I Walked Out”

As I walked out all the streets were empty
The government said everyone should stay hope
And they spread fear and loathing and no hope for the future
Not many did question this very strange move

Well, on the government website from the 21st March 2020
It said COVID-19 was no longer high risk
Then two days later they put us under lockdown
Then why are we not being told the truth?

By all the media outlets and the government lackeys
Why is this not big news, why is it being ignored?
Why no checks and balances, why no second opinions?
Why are they working, and why are we not?

As I walked out all the streets were empty
The government said everyone should stay hope
And they spread fear and loathing and no hope for the future
Not many did question this very strange move

But on the government website from the 21st March 2020
It said COVID-19 was no longer high risk
Then two days later Boris put us under lockdown
Why are we not being told the truth?

By all the media outlets and the government lackeys
Why is this not big news, why is it being ignored?
Why no checks and balances, why no second opinions?
Why are they working, and why are we not?

Why are they working, and why are we not?
Why are they working, and why are we not?
Why are they working, and why are we not?
Why are they working, and why are we not?

180019 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 29, #1184 of 1892 🔗

My four year old daughter said to me yesterday “Dad you know what I wish? That the coronavirus will go away”

I told her neither she or her mummy or daddy will get ill from it. That she doesn’t need to worry and I will answer all her questions. I nearly cried in front of her.

180160 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #1185 of 1892 🔗

Hugs to you, your 4 year old and mummy.

She will be so proud to hear how you felt and what you did, when she’s ready in future.

My mum and dad were alive in WWII at a similar age to my child now.

I feel in a similar place to their parents and recognise the impact this will have on future generations.

We will all get through this. Whatever happens. We have the light inside us all and we’re shining it.

CM x

180229 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Country Mumkin, #1186 of 1892 🔗

Thank you. Kind words indeed.

180328 ▶▶ Biker, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1187 of 1892 🔗

Never watch the news in front of children, never talk about adult things with them either. People these days are so stupid they’ve forgotten that children are children and need to play and imagine they don’t need the news and adult life

180448 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Biker, #1188 of 1892 🔗

Unfortunately that doesn’t stop the message getting through. They’ll be subjected to the theatre at school, when entering any building, when their gran emerges from the home with a mask.

180022 calchas, replying to calchas, 9, #1189 of 1892 🔗

The conspiracy theorists claim that this is all about eugenicists wanting to depopulate the world.

If that is the case, then perhaps the point of masks is tio find out who wears them voluntarily -and then eliminate those people as being obviously too stupid for the future.

180028 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to calchas, 5, #1190 of 1892 🔗

Yes, a world full of sheep is pretty useless. Free thinkers are what is needed.

180039 ▶▶▶ dickyboy, replying to Dan Clarke, 6, #1191 of 1892 🔗

i very doubt free thinkers are what the new order governments are wanting. Its the mask wearers that will survive the cull, although I won’t be sorry to not survive to the next stage of selection. Round 1 wont eliminate many, so the next round will be to kill off business owners (not the corporates natch).

180051 ▶▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to dickyboy, 1, #1192 of 1892 🔗

Not what they want. But Johnson will be on tomorrow with the next lot of Cr*p for the sheep to dance to, what a lark they must think it is.

180117 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #1193 of 1892 🔗

But we need people who just want to go to work and do a mundane job. Do you want to stand at a factory production belt and do quality control for 8 hours a day 40 years of working life? Well, maybe it will leave plenty of time to freely think.

180818 ▶▶▶▶ Bill95, replying to Silke David, #1194 of 1892 🔗

That sort of job is what machines are for, we need free thinking humans to develop those machines. And in taking up roles in setting up machiens for production line monitoring all the Ai experts will have to stop working on surveillance devices, so as another plus-side facial recognition will never get any more dangerous than its current level of capability.

180096 ▶▶ watashi, replying to calchas, 3, #1195 of 1892 🔗

unless the idea is to keep the stupid ones and get rid of us?

180211 ▶▶ leggy, replying to calchas, #1196 of 1892 🔗

I’ve been wondering if the upcoming vaccine may actually protect against something else that’s coming. Hence taking out all of the dissenters in one go when it hits. Though that’s obviously a bit dark and I’m probably over thinking it!

180325 ▶▶▶ helen, replying to leggy, 1, #1197 of 1892 🔗

Leggy There’s wrong with over thinking it’s under thinking I have a problem with

180403 ▶▶▶ helen, replying to leggy, #1198 of 1892 🔗

sorry ..Insert ..nothing wrong

180040 PowerCorrupts, replying to PowerCorrupts, 6, #1199 of 1892 🔗

The meaninglessness of the PCR test: Dr Tom Cowan & Kary Mullis, censored off youtube but can be seen on bitchute:


180048 ▶▶ calchas, replying to PowerCorrupts, 11, #1200 of 1892 🔗

Inventor of PCR receives Nobel prize for inventing PCR.

Inventor gives talk on the subject.

Youtube censors his talk on the subject by removing it.

180340 ▶▶ Binra, replying to PowerCorrupts, #1201 of 1892 🔗

Amazon and perhaps all other distributors have effectively ‘burned’ their latest book.

180063 calchas, 1, #1202 of 1892 🔗

“From Hong Kong and France, to Russia and Iran, citizens across the world took to the streets in 2019 to vent their frustrations and push for change. Much has been written on the long list of protests , but why did they take place? What was behind the mobilization of millions of demonstrators? While the specific drivers vary and each protest movement exhibits its own nuances, there are certain threads which can be traced throughout the year’s major protests. ”


180081 Lms23, replying to Lms23, 11, #1203 of 1892 🔗


Master Investor: A brief history of economic policy triumphs

“If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in five years there’d be a shortage of sand.”

– Milton

“…..nothing that the long-suffering British economy has endured since the 1970s can surely compare with the spectacular government response this year to coronavirus. Christopher Snowdon of the Institute for Economic Affairs:

“When future historians look back on 21st-century mortality statistics, they will struggle to find anything out of the ordinary in Britain in 2020. When they look at the economic data they could be forgiven for thinking we were hit by an asteroid.

“The Office for Budget Responsibility predicts a fall in GDP of around 12 per cent in 2020, the equivalent of having the 2008-09 recession twice in one year. The second quarter saw GDP fall by 20.4 per cent, breaking the record set during the Great Frost of 1709.. The full impact on unemployment won’t be known before the furlough scheme ends, but the OBR expects it to treble to over four million, the highest number since the 1930s.

“The furlough scheme cost £35 billion and is one of many reasons why the public finances are in such a wretched state. In July, total government debt passed the £2 trillion mark for the first time. The national debt has doubled since ‘austerity’ began in 2010 and now amounts to 104 per cent of GDP, a level not seen since the immediate aftermath of the second world war…..”

….Prime Minister Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson has evidently styled himself, in part, on his wartime hero, Sir Winston Churchill. We can now, at least, say that

Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many, due to so few.

Far from being the economic solution, Big Government is the anti-Midas; everything it ends up touching turns to ash.”

180142 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Lms23, #1204 of 1892 🔗

Unemployment never reached four million in the 1930s. At its highest (1932) it was three and a half million.

180296 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #1205 of 1892 🔗

Far smaller population then.

180360 ▶▶ Binra, replying to Lms23, #1206 of 1892 🔗

One take is that money is being replaced by state credits for ‘productivity’ or debited for any lack of compliance. Meanwhile, why not spend 100 billion on a moonshine scheme?

Another take is that globalism was falsely set up to drive an inevitable destruction and that plundering the destructive collapse is the inevitable collapse of a corruption upon itself.

The Economy has long been rigged.
There is a mainstream thinking that is denied insider knowledge and called a conspiracy theorist to point to the corruption.
The global covid coup is a direct expression of such background or shadow power coming out in the open.
All institutions and regulators have been effectively captured.

180814 ▶▶ Bill95, replying to Lms23, #1207 of 1892 🔗

Never in the field of human cockups was so much owed by so many, due to so few.


Never in the field of human cockups was so much ruined for so many, by so few.

180089 Steeve, replying to Steeve, 5, #1208 of 1892 🔗

It seems we have three big questions today

Should we use the word bedwetters?

Who is Linda Smith?

Is the PCR test meaningless?

180094 ▶▶ watashi, replying to Steeve, 4, #1209 of 1892 🔗

my answers, for all they’re worth would be;
no idea

180107 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Steeve, 1, #1210 of 1892 🔗

My answers:


A better health secretary than Hancock – because she can type

No, it can have any meaning you choose to give it

180170 ▶▶ davews, replying to Steeve, #1211 of 1892 🔗

I would never use bedwetters myself, others can make their own choice. Similarly I never say ‘face nappy’, just mask.

180187 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to davews, #1212 of 1892 🔗

I sometimes say “magic cloth”.

180178 ▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Steeve, 2, #1213 of 1892 🔗

Don’t care
Don’t know
Absolutely Yes

180365 ▶▶ Binra, replying to Steeve, #1214 of 1892 🔗
  1. If you want to undermine and discredit your communication, use such puerile pejoratives.
  2. Don’t know.
  3. As any kind of diagnostic tool. Yes – and worse because its use undermines what meaning would otherwise be evident.
180093 calchas, 3, #1215 of 1892 🔗

JP Sears

If Pandemic Thinking was aplied to everything – 3 minutes


180110 Silke David, 5, #1216 of 1892 🔗

Interesting that so much discussion about “bedwetters” is going on.
I do not like a lot of phrases we use. Cow, sheep, pigs. Yes, they often describe 1 characteristic of that animal, but they are much more than that.
As one commenter said, people have different backgrounds/experiences why they might go along with restrictions, how they formed their opinions. Granted, most have not formed an opinion, and that is very sad.

180115 Cheshirecatslave, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 8, #1217 of 1892 🔗

Church was a bit depressing today as a young man offered me a mask, not that I could hear what he was saying through his! I declined.My fellow none mask wearer was in hospital with the chronic illnesses she suffers from.Then the vicar announced we must not sing as we could spread disease ridden droplets. ( thought the asks were supposed to prevent those) I ignored her and sung quietly. The two permitted singers were both masked today. Then they had a socially distanced presentation.

Still, it was good to get out and see people and the hymns were favourites.

180137 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 10, #1218 of 1892 🔗

Sorry to hear this. I have only been to church once since March. At the service in March I walked out before the ‘peace’ in protest at the idiotic and worthless elbow-bumping.
The only time I have been since I did not take communion as I will only take communion in both kinds, not just one. The attitude of the Church of England, and indeed ALL denominations in response to this crisis has been, to put it very mildly, pathetic.
I despair, I really do.

180152 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Stephanos, 16, #1219 of 1892 🔗

I’m out too, after being pilloried by the rector for not wearing a mask, and revolted by the faceless ghouls, the endless don’ts, the humiliation of the police-tape-ridden building.
Said and sang Matins all alone instead, outside under a sunny sky. Infinitely more godly. Walked home along the beach, greeting and being greeted by smiling, friendly faces belonging to dog walkers, joggers, fishermen, etc.
Ubi caritas et amor, Deus ibi est.

180157 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to annie, 14, #1220 of 1892 🔗

hey Ann i would like to apologise for being horrible about religion to you. I really should do better. Still, none of us are perfect. I don’t really hate religious people.

180294 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Biker, 1, #1221 of 1892 🔗

I don’t hate non-religious ones either, Pax?

180166 ▶▶▶▶ davews, replying to annie, 5, #1222 of 1892 🔗

Our monthly service this morning, 12 of us there socially distanced with around the same number on simultaneous Zoom. Did discuss my exemption halyard with our minister and he understood. I said he was welcome to visit me at home but must not wear a mask, when he hesitated a bit. It was supposed to be harvest festival where we normally bring various produce to take to the food bank but word hadn’t got back so it was a bit limited. Not a single harvest hymn… and the three we did have of course we were not allowed to sing. OK as far as it went but not what services should be. Having our first communion service next month, not sure how that will work out with the restrictions. The church really needs to speak out, it is depressing having to do it like this.

180180 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Stephanos, 7, #1223 of 1892 🔗

Not all denominations – in my church we sing as normal, masks are voluntary, we had The Lord’s Table this morning. There’s some social distancing, but no one is obsessive about it. It’s in London (Walthamstow), evangelical reformed church, (KJV). I’d like to invite anyone who’s interested, but I’m not sure how to do it on a public board. I wouldn’t like to see any Covid Marshals at our next meeting…

180196 ▶▶▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Alice, 1, #1224 of 1892 🔗

Thanks for this Alice. I have just tried Googling you church, but need a little more info please. Would you mind posting the address or postcode? Thanks.

180218 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 1, #1225 of 1892 🔗

I have just seen your last sentence – probably best not to answer my previous post.

180232 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Ozzie, #1226 of 1892 🔗

Can anyone suggest how I can invite people to my church safely? There must be a way!

180237 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Ozzie, #1227 of 1892 🔗

See my reply to Alice above about the private messaging system.

I think it would be good if this is used more for this precise purpose, of building resistance communities in the real world.

180233 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Alice, #1228 of 1892 🔗

If you make a post in the forums here (you’d have to be logged in to do it), then anyone who wants to know where it is can send you a private message, if they also log in. It’s not perfect because this comment system doesn’t prevent duplicate display names, but it’s a lot better than just leaving info openly displayed on the comments section.

180263 ▶▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Mark, #1229 of 1892 🔗

Thank you – I’m just trying to figure out how to do it (dinosaur, I know). I clicked on “find a member”, entered the name Ozzie, what next? Do I enter subject and message text (church website address), and then click “submit”? Is that it?

180292 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Alice, #1230 of 1892 🔗

Just tried sending you a test message.

You click on the little envelope next to your name if you are logged in to the forums. Then do “compose message” and type the recipient name in the “Add recipient” box then click “Add” just below, which shifts the name to the recipient list just below and to the left. Fill in the subject line and message text and then click submit. I think it will stay in your outbox until the recipient logs in.

180286 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Stephanos, 1, #1231 of 1892 🔗

Thank you, most weeks the services are still enjoyable apart from the masks and lack of cups of tea. Today, though, the vicar seemed to mention covid more often than God. The church should be fighting for our freedoms.

180141 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 16, #1232 of 1892 🔗

I don’t get why you’d go in the building. Next week turn up and stand outside, sing at the top of your lungs “all things bright and beautiful” Call the vicar a coward and tell him even Jesus hates you. Give your own sermon to the people who stand with you and tell others who go in they are a threat to humanity for their compliance and are no better than a camp guard claiming he had to kill jews because he was ordered to do it.

180808 ▶▶▶ Bill95, replying to Biker, #1233 of 1892 🔗

Dedicate your service to our lord and saviour Anders Tegnell, he saved Sweden’s economy, he can save yours too if you’ll let him in to your heart.

180126 peter charles, replying to peter charles, 40, #1234 of 1892 🔗
  1. Lockdowns do not work – Dr David Nabarro W.H.O. (spectator tv)
  2. Masks have been shown to have no effect of flu infection (and by implication C19)- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJq8MBgYJ4Q&t=1034s at 8min58.
  3. Rule of six is clearly aimed at stopping protests.
  4. Massive fines imposed because restrictions cannot be policed
  5. 10pm curfew to repress the only source of social interaction left
  6. Track and trace pointless and intrusive at this stage
  7. Mass testing to generate more fear by increasing “Cases”
  8. “Cases” are not true cases but unreliable PCR results
  9. Chief advisors, Witt and Vallance, compromised due to GSK vested interests and connection
180136 ▶▶ DRW, replying to peter charles, 3, #1235 of 1892 🔗

Yet the sheeple are still brainwashed and compliant.

180128 ted, replying to ted, 19, #1236 of 1892 🔗

A report from America’s western front: on the power of public performances by key politicians.

Trump’s rapid recovery fro C19 and continued defiance of the Brooklyn media mavens and politicos seems to have had a profound impact in this area of political centrism in So Cal. My wife and I take the dogs out for a walk at a local large public park every few weekends. It has been a about 3 weeks since our last outing. Then, about 40-50% of folks were masked as they walked or ran through the park, almost all of the older people were masked. Yesterday, I would say about 5% were masked, and very few older people. What’s more, while the county remains in the second worst tier of Citizen Newsom’s color coded societal control scheme, the play areas for children and covered seating areas (which had been covered in plastic “caution” tape and closed before) are now open. Unmasked children happily playing again on the climbing equipment again.

I attribute this sudden shift to Trump’s very public recovery and open defiance, but no less to the way life has leapt to the old normal in places like Florida and Georgia, while true C19 illnesses and deaths continue to plummet in those areas. If these patterns hold to the end of October, I expect a dramatic shift in public opinion away from the prophets of doom.

I don’t see why the same thing wouldn’t happen in the UK if a prominent politician or politicians declared an end to the panic driven nonsense in a very public and symbolic way. Or perhaps an open call for a vote of no confidence on the Johnson regime? People want clear and well-informed leadership, not mealy-mouthed timid little rabbits (e.g., Hancock and Johnson) deference to “the science” and the (largely bought and owned) prophets of doom.

180185 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to ted, 6, #1237 of 1892 🔗

Thanks for this encouraging news. I think that when there is a major shift in one of the western “democracies” approach to COVID, others will follow – they seem to be copying each others’ response. Most large countries will not want to be left behind on getting economies back to normal. Group think works both ways.

180241 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Ozzie, #1238 of 1892 🔗

As we said yesterday, USA and Germany are the best bets.

180257 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to ted, 1, #1239 of 1892 🔗

I’ve been hoping for a vote of no confidence. Maybe they’re waiting for the right moment. Surely it can’t be long now?

180275 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1240 of 1892 🔗

Tigress expects Bozo will be gone by the end of the year.

180295 ▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to Cheezilla, #1241 of 1892 🔗

Who do you propose as a replacement?

180291 ▶▶ annie, replying to ted, 2, #1242 of 1892 🔗

I’n sure you’re right, but we don’t have politicians in the UK, we have self-serving bullying Fascists.

180140 Mabel Cow, replying to Mabel Cow, 8, #1243 of 1892 🔗

Here’s a Remembrance-themed poster promoting gbdeclaration.org.

180801 ▶▶ Bill95, replying to Mabel Cow, #1244 of 1892 🔗

Not just RIP British Liberty either, EVERY country needs its citizens to support Great Barrington and tolerate nothing else.

180143 annie, replying to annie, 13, #1245 of 1892 🔗

Public Barrington signatories now well over 300,000.
I suppose we have to discount the medical folk, if the Grauniad thinks they all practise homeopathy.

180153 ▶▶ Biker, replying to annie, 2, #1246 of 1892 🔗

Nothing wrong with Homeopathy. I’ve been using rescue remedy for years and i’m still going so it must work

180198 ▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to Biker, 1, #1247 of 1892 🔗

Could it be that the ailments you’ve rescued yourself from were not as serious as you feared?

180248 ▶▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to William Gruff, 1, #1248 of 1892 🔗

I think Biker means rum and whiskey toddy’s.
Or enough blow to take you to the moon and back

180249 ▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Chris John, #1249 of 1892 🔗

Thanks for the translation. I got it wrong too!

180293 ▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Chris John, 1, #1250 of 1892 🔗

No i’m serious about the Rescue Remedy. I’m a big fan of plants and mushrooms and their healing qualities. I don’t drink whisky and was never a user of hard drugs. I make my own homeopathic remedies. I collect different plants (with the mrs) and infuse them on the morning of the Summer Solstice and then make tinctures out of them. I am i’m afraid an old Hippy. Just one who likes riding bikes, fucking and fighting. I treat my body like a temple albeit it a temple that runs on smoke but nonetheless i am like some old frontier man who could knock you up a house and grow you vegetables and look after your animals. I actually mean it when i say there should be no government at all and we should all be left alone to live our lives how we see fit. I resent the modern world immensely. The only compensation for me is the engine. I love engines.

180253 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Biker, #1251 of 1892 🔗

I’ve had excellent results when I’ve used homeopathy for sciatica, bruises, mozquito bites and regrowing bone.
I always carry arnica in my handbag.

180290 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Cheezilla, #1252 of 1892 🔗

As they say in Essex, ‘That can’t do no harm, if it don’t do no good.’

180866 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to annie, #1253 of 1892 🔗

The right homoeopathic remedy can do a lot of good. The wrong on will just have no effect. Simple.

180300 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1254 of 1892 🔗

Any time i cut or burn myself i spray Rescue Remedy on it and it works a treat. For a burn i’ll rub vitamin e on it. I tend to stay away from people who claim to be doctors. I’d rather take some shrooms and have a consultation with the ancestors and find a remedy that way. The plants can tell you what you need if only you can hear them.

180861 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Biker, #1255 of 1892 🔗

And that’s how the Bach Flower Remedies came about – though Dr Bach didn’t confess to being aided by shrooms.

180798 ▶▶ Bill95, replying to annie, 1, #1256 of 1892 🔗

Grauniad used to support homeopathy if I rememebr rightly, back when it was the sort of nonsense that “the left” supposedly liked. Now when “the left” is pro-lockdown they decide homeopathy is crap and use it to attack the anti-lockdown side, simply by association.

I say “the left” because that is how those sort of people think of themselves, but plenty of true left wingers don’t fall for the lockdown lies.

180161 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 13, #1257 of 1892 🔗

Email daughter got from her college today:

Dear Student,

We have been advised that there has been a confirmed case of COVID-19 within the XXXXXX Campus of the College.

We know that you may find this concerning but we are continuing to monitor the situation and are working closely with Public Health England. This letter is to inform you of the current situation and provide advice on how to support you. Please be reassured that for most people, coronavirus (COVID-19) will be a mild illness.

The staff and students who have been in close contact with the individual who has tested positive for coronavirus (COVID-19) have received a letter asking them to stay at home following the self-isolation guidelines. The XXXXXX Campus remains open and you should continue to attend as

normal as long as you remain well.

If you do develop any symptoms please follow the advice below, do not come into college and notify us by email to xxxx (my bold)

When she told us that she’d got an email, first thought was “college going to shut again”, but no, she got this.

180177 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Ceriain, 9, #1258 of 1892 🔗

This seems very sensible and balanced given some of the nonsense in other educational settings.

180907 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Ozzie, #1259 of 1892 🔗

Absolutely! Somebody making sensible decisions.

180167 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 38, #1260 of 1892 🔗

I’ve had the flu twice in my life. Both times I was in bed for a week could barely eat or get up and felt like death. I didn’t get a diagnostic test, I didn’t spend a night in hospital, didn’t get recorded in any data and and after a week I went back to my normal life. All my family carried on with their lives while I was sick too. If I’d been very old or suffering from another serious illness who knows. But then that’s life isn’t it? Or at least what life used to be when people acted like grown ups.

180175 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Achilles, 4, #1261 of 1892 🔗


180179 ▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #1262 of 1892 🔗


180181 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to FenTyger, 2, #1263 of 1892 🔗

Plus 70% of the population.

180168 calchas, 10, #1264 of 1892 🔗

A year ago all the talk was of Brexit – you know ‘taking back control’ and so on. It all seemed important. I was for Brexit.

How irrelevant all that seems now.

180174 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 11, #1265 of 1892 🔗

CV virus exists on banknotes, phone screens and Steel for 28 days.
SURELY, THIS MEANS THAT PROBABLY 95% OF PEOPLE HAVE PICKED UP THE VIRUS and probably 95% of those have had no ill effects.
From: The mail on line. The first part, that is.

180197 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Fingerache Philip., 26, #1266 of 1892 🔗

If anyone is too scared to touch their cash they could send it to me, i’ll take the risk

180239 ▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to Biker, 5, #1267 of 1892 🔗

Or give their card to me and I’ll draw their cash and swap it for a couple of magic beans

180356 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Chris John, 1, #1268 of 1892 🔗

If this carries on much longer, beans will be worth more than all the cash in the country.

180355 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Biker, 1, #1269 of 1892 🔗

If the government told them to hand over their cash to defeat the virus, they are that thick, they would.

180183 Biker, replying to Biker, 13, #1270 of 1892 🔗

I don’t know much about Gandhi except he was a racist communist but didn’t he say, “fuck this for a game of Soldiers i’m not gonna do it anymore”. Wise words. Live like you mean it. Time is short and we’ve had seven months of this shit and i, like Gandhi, have had enough.

180189 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Biker, 2, #1271 of 1892 🔗

My Gujarati is a bit rusty, but I consider that a fair enough translation.

180282 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to calchas, 1, #1272 of 1892 🔗

A bit of wet and dry should clear up that Gujarati nicely

180190 leggy, replying to leggy, 6, #1273 of 1892 🔗

I (used to!) attend a great festival every year with a large group of friends. The “chat” we have was busy yesterday. These were some of the take away comments:

All good in Dubai xxx have to do as we are told

Er – how is that all good?

OK, feel a bit poop but think reaction to flu jab.

Hmm. OK then.

Not looking forward to the additional rules to be announced on Monday, though I fear we are heading for a too little to late response again.

Cognitive dissonance?

People won’t distance or wear masks. Had a go at some prick in the supermarket for it. Called him a c word

Lovely. Hidden disability maybe?

Had a go at someone else in shopping centre for no mask and not distancing. And yet apparently I was the one who’s a C?

If the shoe fits?

Missing my family so much. Just want to cuddle the little ones, even the big ones also.

Ain’t that the truth – just do it though?

We’re encouraged to grass here

Dubai again – no idea why anyone would want to live there. Not least because:

We had 6 weeks of not allowed outside at all

They’re a pretty mixed bunch – probably between 40 and 70. But it seems 90% of them are following the narrative. Guess that’s pretty representative of society.

180195 ▶▶ calchas, replying to leggy, 8, #1274 of 1892 🔗

When it eventually comes out – and it will – what a gross over-reaction this all was, everybody will claim to have seen throught it at the time.

180790 ▶▶ Bill95, replying to leggy, 1, #1275 of 1892 🔗

People with the attitude of that bed-wetter (he sounds a nasty case so lets use the nasty term for him) damage the mental health of their supposed friends too. I’ve seen young people driven to despair when in asking their friends for help all they get back is virtue signalling crap about “must stay inside”.

180194 Country Mumkin, 2, #1276 of 1892 🔗

Doctors for Truth conference this weekend in Berlin. I wonder what impact that will have on decisions going forward…


180200 Richard Dale, replying to Richard Dale, 17, #1277 of 1892 🔗

Keep the term bedwetters. Only a bedwetter would want you to retire it.

180235 ▶▶ William Gruff, replying to Richard Dale, 3, #1278 of 1892 🔗

Here, here, and I would add: only a bedwetter desperate to be seen as morally superior to the common herd.

180378 ▶▶ Binra, replying to Richard Dale, 2, #1279 of 1892 🔗

Yes lets make a self righteous pricks of ourselves!

Perhaps you are very young. Have you any sense of how polarised identity serves the manipulative agenda you presume to hate?

Address the issues. Don’t attack the persons – or you reveal yourself as lacking substance.

However. I support you freedom to make your own choices and learn from your own experience, but I also embody the right to offer a critical reflection.

180438 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Binra, 1, #1280 of 1892 🔗

Otherwise known as ‘play the ball not the man’

180203 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 27, #1281 of 1892 🔗

More unpleasantness at work today from those lovely kind people who only wear a mask to protect others.

Three women (all wearing flowery jobs) one of whom had a hissy fit after I started with (groan) yet another allergic reaction to the gloop (breathlessness and coughing).

When the coughing had subsided, I went to their table to deliver the food they had ordered – she refused to accept hers.

Her to my business partner: “But, you’re running a business and she’s coughing” BP: “She’s coughing because, despite our notice asking people not to spray sanitiser around, someone is and she’s having an allergic reaction to it” Her: “But you have to use it”. My friend suggested that they be a little more understanding of my plight. The other two women looked embarrassed by their friend’s obvious insinuation that I had some sort of lurgy – they didn’t have an issue with it but she overuled them and stormed out.

Yeah, we’re all in this together. No doubt I will be labelled as some sort of granny-killer when the inevitable online review appears.

180242 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to kh1485, 4, #1282 of 1892 🔗

Hopefully it will give her friends some perspective.

180278 ▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to kh1485, 2, #1283 of 1892 🔗

Loss of face. Women HATE it! And most people south of Dover.

180284 ▶▶ Paul, replying to kh1485, 6, #1284 of 1892 🔗

Of course the only thing on the planet that makes humans cough now is Covid.I had a small coughing fit in the DIY section of a big store due to it being really dusty and a young lad stacking the shelves stopped what he was doing and couldn’t get away quick enough.
I was glared at for sneezing in Farmfoods too.

180308 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Paul, 2, #1285 of 1892 🔗


Oh, Paul, I think the BID have removed your comment about working at the testing centre! I think, after the BBC Look East cockup, where it was suggested that Saffron Walden was at the epicentre of the disease in Essex, they’re not taking any chances!

They’ve also implored businesses in the town not to talk to the media because, guess what, journalists have their own agenda (well, who knew).

180330 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to kh1485, 2, #1286 of 1892 🔗

I feel for you. I sometimes suddenly felt light headed and nauseous at work, until I figured out I had just filled up the sanitizer spray bottle. Lasted up to 20 minutes.
People are so paranoid. I once had a customer who wiped down the table and armrests on the chair with her antiBACTERIAL wipes after she watched me clean everything with sanitizer spray. After I had explained to her that we leave the spray on for 5 minutes according to manufacturers instructions.

180221 nocheesegromit, replying to nocheesegromit, 1, #1287 of 1892 🔗

Is the GB Declaration page down for anyone else? Getting a 500 Internal Server error message. I hope it’s just a case of high demand overwhelming the servers!

180234 ▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to nocheesegromit, 8, #1288 of 1892 🔗

Never mind – it’s back! Around 350k signatories in total now.

180222 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 14, #1290 of 1892 🔗

Prof Karol Sikora tweeted this
“Throwing around all of these extra restrictions is utterly pointless if people aren’t self-isolating when they have symptoms. A study found only 1/5th are doing so. There’s the problem. This is an issue we need to solve and urgently. It’s not spoken about nearly enough”.
He got this response
Rebecca Chandler
“Recommendation number 1 in Sweden (repeated at every press conference): “Stay home even if you feel only a little sick.” And politicians quickly changed rules for sick leave from work: you are compensated from the first day you are home. This is how you get people to do this.”
Further comment
“Again, this goes to Targeted Resources and evidence based practices! Governments could be helping companies that need it to pay workers to self-isolate. Instead they’re wasting it on things like plexiglass dividers for an airborne virus! Anyone else find this absurd???”

Could it be so easy instead of the umpteenth SD plan for the North?

180243 ▶▶ John P, replying to swedenborg, 2, #1291 of 1892 🔗

Sikora is a gentleman, but he’s a bit of a fence sitter. I don’t agree with him about this.

Where I live they are telling people to get tested who have symptoms. Which means going out into the community.

180260 ▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to John P, 2, #1292 of 1892 🔗

In Japan or South Korea they stopped mass testing during the first SARs outbreak because they found people were getting infected queuing for tests. Not sure how they confirmed this but was funny to read.

180225 William Gruff, 3, #1293 of 1892 🔗

When I use a word’, Humpty Dumpty said, ‘it means … ‘

Also Devi Sridhar?

180230 Squire Western, replying to Squire Western, 5, #1294 of 1892 🔗

It is necessarily the case that if non-pharmaceutical interventions (lockdowns/masks/social distancing etc) reduce the r0 rate of COVID-19, then they must also do so for all other infectious diseases. How have lockdowns around the world affected hospitalisations for influenza, pneumonia etc. Unless the statistics confirm a correlation then the case against lockdowns et al is proven.

180250 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Squire Western, 1, #1295 of 1892 🔗

Some on here have suspected that current measures will be here to stay in order to help wipe out flu:
The southern hemisphere skipped flu season in 2020


Southern hemisphere has record low flu cases amid Covid lockdowns

180279 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Nobody2020, 4, #1296 of 1892 🔗

Covid cures the flu. Getting rid of a virus that’s bad news for everyone to replace it with a virus that’s virtually of no risk to anyone. That’s great. Why would you want to expunge Covid from the world when it is so benefiting of mankind ?

180274 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Squire Western, 4, #1297 of 1892 🔗

Initial Social distancing and hand washing statistics proved they are effective at infection reduction to bring the R under 1. Anything subsequently introduced post May has increased infections in the U.K. including Masks. That’s statistically possible to verify. Lockdowns, according to Prof Whitty did not bring the U.K. R number below 1.

180351 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Leemc23, 1, #1298 of 1892 🔗

Well it was mostly herd immunity that brought R to 1. But the handwashing and behaviour changes probably lowered the threshold a bit.

180327 ▶▶ guy153, replying to Squire Western, 1, #1299 of 1892 🔗

They do have an effect but rather a temporary one.


These are other viruses (SARS2 isn’t on there) and in the USA (but they have a nice graph). It’s not too hard to see the lockdown.

Ironically in many places it had more effect on other viruses than it actually did on SARS2 because it was usually too late. We don’t normally see this clear signal of lockdown in actual SARS2 data.

180236 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 17, #1301 of 1892 🔗

Forget long covid. Here’s the latest side effect/symptom

MP who travelled from London to Glasgow won’t quit as Covid made her act ‘out of character’


180252 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1302 of 1892 🔗

Love that answer – Long Covid – gives you scope to act out of character for a few months!

180267 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #1303 of 1892 🔗

Brilliant. Out of character. Should she not be nicked and fined £10,000k ?

180358 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Leemc23, 1, #1304 of 1892 🔗

If she has a half competent lawyer she can get off the fine by highlighting the unreliability of the PCR test…

180273 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1305 of 1892 🔗

I act out of character a lot that i’m beginning to wonder if i’m unstable and everyone i know is just too polite to mention it.

180281 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Biker, 1, #1306 of 1892 🔗

Is this since March?

180309 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Steeve, #1307 of 1892 🔗

I don’t believe so.

180401 ▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Biker, #1308 of 1892 🔗

Since birth?

180238 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 8, #1309 of 1892 🔗

What is going on with those polls?

No doubt many on here are well aware of ‘The Negativity Bias’

‘Stories of war, corruption, scandal, murder, famine, and natural disasters don’t just dominate the news, they influence our national psyche, as well as our politics. This gloomy and commercially driven image gives us a significantly skewed perception of the world we live in.

To test your own beliefs, answer the question: in the last twenty years, has global poverty doubled, remained the same, or fallen by half. The answer is that it has fallen by half. If you got this correct, you would be amongst only 7 per cent of the thousands of people who took this survey, who optimistically said the same. The remaining 93 per cent believed it had either remained the same or doubled.’


Together with ‘Big State’ Democratic Socialist Britain, ‘The Negativity Bias’ goes a long way to explaining why so many have bought into the state broadcaster’s narrative.

The state broadcaster has been using ‘Soap Opera’ as a useful method of propaganda for some years:


That might indicate why the ‘Save Our NHS’ soap opera proved so effective.

By harnessing soap opera to ‘The Negativity Bias’ the state broadcaster has captured the PR narrative and will not let go.

This suits the government’s purpose, obscuring the Brexit story that would otherwise have dominated, not to the government’s advantage.

The news management of ‘the covid’ has been masterly.

180270 ▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Tim Bidie, 3, #1310 of 1892 🔗

Helps to cement the propaganda. Herd non-immunity.

180771 ▶▶▶ Bill95, replying to James Leary #KBF, #1311 of 1892 🔗

Herd immunity works for viruses, the trouble is that propaganda thrives on herd credulity

180299 ▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Tim Bidie, 2, #1312 of 1892 🔗

I have explained to people on here but will do again regarding polls. It’s this simple there are millions still on furlough getting 80% pay and there are over 5 million public sector workers in Britain and a high percentage are on a hundred percent pay . So we have millions of people not working ,getting paid ,access to a computer and too much time on their hands .Now here’s a simple question ? The government has given you a seven month holiday with pay ,do you want it to continue or not ?. If you do keep voting in the polls .

180240 Nsklent, replying to Nsklent, 9, #1313 of 1892 🔗

First day of an NLP training course- was dreading the scenario, masks, distancing, but all wonderfully normal although there are only 5 of us, others cancelled. A model of confidence versus competence came up with the instructor using the example of peoples response to Covid. To cut it short one of my comments must have revealed my position as a sceptic, so I was asked to expand on my thoughts on the matter which I did, briefly, though I could feel a tangible stiffness in the air from the others, though the trainer seemed to be more sceptical. Anyway referred them to this website, though couldn’t help feeling like they considered I was one of those conspiracy theorists. No negativity from them, just maybe me.

180246 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Nsklent, 3, #1314 of 1892 🔗

Phew, I was worried about you going to that, sounded like a potential PPE horror show.

180258 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 21, #1315 of 1892 🔗

‘Nuff said.

180268 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to James Leary #KBF, 9, #1316 of 1892 🔗

In a similar vein, I took a survey for Scotrail yesterday which stated that the chances of contracting Covid on a normal, non socially distanced, mask free train journey was 1 in 11,000.

180424 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 2, #1317 of 1892 🔗

About the same odds as ScotRail being on time

180361 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to James Leary #KBF, #1318 of 1892 🔗

I’d be more worried about DVT than anything else, well apart from the obvious plane crash scenario!

Temperature checks at airports are theatre.

180371 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #1319 of 1892 🔗

In 2011 there was to be a day of non compliance against airport scanners in the US. Those travelling would just refuse to use them. They’d got significant support and so as the day arrived the airport authorities decided just to turn them off for the day and just waved travellers through.

Total theatre.

180382 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1320 of 1892 🔗

The fact that we still have this stuff nearly 20 years after 9/11 shows most “emergency” measures tend to last.

180429 ▶▶▶▶▶ ianric, replying to DRW, #1321 of 1892 🔗

There was a good post on reddit comparing 9/11 with Covid.

180423 ▶▶▶ ianric, replying to PoshPanic, #1322 of 1892 🔗

If you are killed in a plane crash do you get classed as a COVID death.

180532 ▶▶ stewart, replying to James Leary #KBF, #1323 of 1892 🔗

Amazing what money and advertising can do.

So flying in a plane full of strangers, that’s all ok. But 7 friends getting together, that’s just plain irresponsible.

This shit just gets madder and madder.

180261 Cheezilla, #1324 of 1892 🔗

Some good points here:


They only want to debate the tyrannical measures taken against the non existent threat.

180265 Lockdown Truth, 7, #1325 of 1892 🔗


Latest update on the laughable doom graph. did anyone notice that there are three or four extra days to the right? If the 15th of September is where they say it is (half way between two days!) then the final day on the graph is the 16th or 17th of October not the 13th as they say.

This graph gave them the impetus to bring in new restrictions affecting millions. I know the data is just made up but they didn’t even take the time to check it was laid out accurately. Or this is gaslighting…

180269 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1326 of 1892 🔗

Is this a new petition?
Needs more signatures!

End lockdown to prevent further economic damage to the UK’s economy.

180857 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Cheezilla, #1327 of 1892 🔗

Don’t sign that! The WHOLE POINT of OPERATION COVID is to entertain the herd so that it can’t see what the Owners of the MONETARY SYSTEM are doing!

180277 Mary Collyer, replying to Mary Collyer, 5, #1328 of 1892 🔗

I wholeheartedly agree with the gentleman proposing the end of the use of the term ‘bedwetter’. I dislike the term immensely and it does not serve your cause well using it. At its heart, it shows a lack of respect, understanding and kindness for those you are describing.

180287 ▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Mary Collyer, 13, #1329 of 1892 🔗

I agree. It’s not NEARLY strong enough.

180302 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Mary Collyer, 9, #1330 of 1892 🔗

fuck em though

180310 ▶▶ Samhurt, replying to Mary Collyer, 1, #1331 of 1892 🔗

Another boring bedwetting prude. Unbelievable, people!

180353 ▶▶ Questor, replying to Mary Collyer, 1, #1332 of 1892 🔗

the term coronaphobic meets the case well… a person with an irrational or unjustified fear of coronavirus. One hopes that the coronaphobics will come to be equally despised with the homophobics and zenophobics….there is a certain sweet symmetry in that thought!

180280 pmdl, replying to pmdl, 14, #1333 of 1892 🔗

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180307 ▶▶▶ pmdl, replying to leggy, 5, #1335 of 1892 🔗

Thank you leggy. And for the record we should use any terms we want on these forums, lets not self censor ourselves with the PC bullshit.

180314 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to pmdl, 4, #1336 of 1892 🔗

I agree – below the line.

However, it’s no good sending waverers to the site to find information that contradicts the nonsense they’ve been fed by the MSM, if Toby’s going to insult them before they even start.
It’s basic marketing and common sense.

Personally, I think bedwetters is puerile but free speech should definitely rule down here.

180315 ▶▶▶▶ Samhurt, replying to pmdl, #1337 of 1892 🔗

Think that’s fast becoming the minority view, pmdl. The bedwetters seem to have the run of the place!

180317 ▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Samhurt, #1338 of 1892 🔗

Can’t say i’ve noticed, even Bono let’s it go.

180320 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Samhurt, replying to Biker, #1339 of 1892 🔗

I’ve been getting red-pencil’d all day for having the gall to think banishing words is bollocks

180341 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Samhurt, 3, #1340 of 1892 🔗

Tell ’em to fuck off they love it

180619 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to pmdl, #1341 of 1892 🔗

A fair point perhaps, but if you use insult here sometimes it will be taken personally. “Caveat emptor.” (I speak from experience – both ways).

180318 ▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to leggy, 1, #1342 of 1892 🔗

… and link to the page where you can find the Covid figures for the following week: https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/national-flu-and-covid-19-surveillance-reports . Why would you find it worrisome that the flu and Covid figures are published in the same web page? It’s not as if the figures themselves are being added together …

180347 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Richard Pinch, 2, #1343 of 1892 🔗

Because I’m worried that the two will be conflated by the media, obviously.

180289 LS99, 3, #1344 of 1892 🔗

Love the “People with Die” video on this post.

180297 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1345 of 1892 🔗

Hitchens added a bit to his blog after the original was published in the Mail:


180346 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Cheezilla, #1346 of 1892 🔗

Asking a question we all want an answer to 👍

180298 Ryan, 2, #1347 of 1892 🔗


End of.

180306 nocheesegromit, replying to nocheesegromit, #1348 of 1892 🔗

Is the Covid-1984 web app down for anyone else?

180329 ▶▶ Scouse Sceptic, replying to nocheesegromit, 1, #1349 of 1892 🔗

Seems to be 🙁

180334 ▶▶ leggy, replying to nocheesegromit, 1, #1350 of 1892 🔗

I think they’ve zapped the web one.

180311 John Ballard, replying to John Ballard, 21, #1351 of 1892 🔗

I have been looking at this site pretty much since day one, Toby you deserve a knighthood, Sunday night is family around and some dad dancing while cooking….. just on Spotify a bit of bee gees, how deep is your love…..,we’re living in a world of fools…..when they should let us be!!! Never more apt than now !!!!

180333 ▶▶ Lili, replying to John Ballard, 2, #1352 of 1892 🔗

John, your family Sunday sounds lovely. Hope there’s more than 6 of you!

180372 ▶▶ Miss Owl, replying to John Ballard, #1353 of 1892 🔗

No vax, no Spotify.

180313 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 7, #1354 of 1892 🔗


UK is supposed to be 3-4 weeks behind Spain in the second wave. Reposting the up to date Spanish report 9 th Oct(in English).Extremely useful slides to see how the second wave is going down.
Lockdown as absurd political theatre. The local gov.Madrid (right) imposed a local mini lockdown in certain districts with the highest counts of cases(mostly poor) but the R factor was already under 1 at that time. The national government after some legal battles finally instituted a total lockdown of the whole of Madrid when the R was further dipping.
Page 42 Compare the deaths per million first and the second wave. The second wave 6 times less deadly.
Page 60 Shows hospital admissions but also the enormous discharges
Page 61 62 death by age and cases by age first and second wave. Enormous amount of cases in the younger age groups in the second wave, mass testing of younger persons
Page 63 64 Dramatic decline in CFR over 60 years .Those 80 and over almost halved.
Page 65 Case fatality rate in the second wave compared to flu and per age.

180884 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to swedenborg, #1355 of 1892 🔗

“second wave” of what?!

180316 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 4, #1356 of 1892 🔗


Appalling journalism. Headline says cases dip slightly and article mentions how many “cases” and deaths today but doesn’t mention how many “cases” there were yesterday because it doesn’t want us to see how big the dip has been.

180319 ▶▶ Margaret, replying to Margaret, 1, #1357 of 1892 🔗

Sorry, “yesterday” should read “today” and vice versa. It’s been a tiring day!

180322 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1358 of 1892 🔗

listening to: https://www.alternatecurrentradio.com/ right now. Live.
With Partick Hendricsen (UK Column)

180352 ▶▶ 2 pence, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1359 of 1892 🔗

Thanks, good show so far .
Added to my bookmarks.

180326 Binra, 1, #1360 of 1892 🔗

The media focused almost entirely on the lunatic fringe of anti-vaxxers and 5G conspiracy theorists”

People who wear a mask under current conditions may have various reasons to choose to do so, but those who propagate such statements the above are the mainstream media’s puppets, and an extension of the system they say that they resist.

Mandatory or highly pressured vax contravenes our most basis rights over our body and that of our children. Regardless what people may choose to do, it constitutes medical experimentation on living human beings.

fyve gee wiz cant even be written without being erased when I wrote it shorthand evan as I was writing. How can one not surmise dark intentions?

180331 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 14, #1361 of 1892 🔗


Masks in schools,Michigan,Strepthroat outbreak.Surprised?

The Central Michigan District Health Department is investigating after more than a dozen cases of strep throat were reported within Shepherd Public Schools despite COVID-19 protocols

“McMillan said they are not sure how strep throat is going around. He said the schools have been taking a ton of precautions for COVID-19 but he points out that not washing masks enough could be helping to spread the bacteria and that putting masks on different surfaces could spread it, too.”

180338 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to swedenborg, 7, #1362 of 1892 🔗

Quelle surprise!?

180348 ▶▶ DRW, replying to swedenborg, 2, #1363 of 1892 🔗

Not washing them is the new excuse is it?

180910 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to DRW, #1364 of 1892 🔗


now they must update the slogan to:

“Social distancing, Respiratory Hygiene/Cough Etiquette, Wash your hands and Muzzle” !

180896 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to swedenborg, #1365 of 1892 🔗

Combine inhaling your own exhaust gases with open doors and windows that cause tonnes of draft, wonderful in this cool season… And that’s just the start of the FUN!

Now we’ve to teach moron slaves to wash the muzzles properly?!

When will this end?!

180924 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to swedenborg, #1366 of 1892 🔗

Michigan is having a GOOD YEAR!

The Michigan Department of Health and Human Services announced the case last week.

“This suspected EEE case in a Michigan resident shows this is an ongoing threat to the health and safety of Michiganders and calls for continued actions to prevent exposure, including aerial treatment,” Dr. Joneigh Khaldun, chief medical executive and chief deputy for health at MDHHS, said in a statement. “MDHHS continues to encourage local officials in the affected counties to consider postponing, rescheduling or cancelling outdoor activities occurring at or after dusk, particularly those involving children to reduce the potential for people to be bitten by mosquitoes.”

22 horses located across ten counties have been confirmed to have EEE, a number that is allegedly twice that of the previous year.

The state is now engaging in aerial spraying to reduce the number of mosquitoes.

I guess they can release some GM Mosquitoes to help!

180332 sky_trees, replying to sky_trees, 15, #1367 of 1892 🔗


EXCL: Livepool City Region headed for TIER 3 lockdown.

Measures expected to include:
– pubs, gyms, casinos, bookies CLOSED
– restaurants OPEN
– could last 6 MONTHS, but with monthly reviews

Understand local leaders have agreed this in principle but await PM’s official sign-off.


An utter failure of the state. Feel powerless to stop it, despite trying.

180342 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to sky_trees, 9, #1368 of 1892 🔗

6 months. That’s insane.

180345 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #1369 of 1892 🔗

Psychopathic! MW

180349 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #1370 of 1892 🔗

Not even a pretence of a ‘circuit breaker’ then. I cannot see how we won’t all be in the same boat by Christmas.

180392 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1371 of 1892 🔗

6 months reviewed each month. And at the end of six months if more is said to be required? More will be forced in. Six months is in fact a meaningless statement by them, a diversionary statement. Drawing attention away from the fact they will continue until it suits them to stop.

180344 ▶▶ DRW, replying to sky_trees, 2, #1372 of 1892 🔗

Lockdown II via regional creep.

180402 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to sky_trees, 1, #1373 of 1892 🔗

This is looking more and more dystopian…

180409 ▶▶ R G, replying to sky_trees, 1, #1374 of 1892 🔗

I knew the normality of the gym was too good to last.

180420 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to R G, #1375 of 1892 🔗

Well yous were offered the privilege of state approved exercise but yous clearly took it for granted. Have 6 months of isolation serf.

180335 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #1376 of 1892 🔗

Don’t know if posted before, but inproportion2 has made this web app available…


180379 ▶▶ Henry, replying to PoshPanic, #1377 of 1892 🔗

Thanks. Sorry for being dumb, what does the MA stand for say after ‘positive tests % MA’

180343 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 4, #1378 of 1892 🔗


“Covid Dance Bizzare This is a Prom dance in the age of COVID Society has entered self-destruction mode.
This short video must be staged, if not, this is utter insanity

180362 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1379 of 1892 🔗

That’s mental. WOW. It’s got to be staged but it probably isn’t.

180388 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1380 of 1892 🔗

And we thought the clapping seals were weird!

180350 Bill h, replying to Bill h, 3, #1381 of 1892 🔗

Amusing idea on MSM C4 that ‘deals’ are being done to keep ‘Oop North’ onside.

I don’t think that one does deals with the ‘Deadly Virus’.


180354 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Bill h, 7, #1382 of 1892 🔗

Probably cash bungs as a compliance reward.

180357 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to DRW, 2, #1383 of 1892 🔗

Held up as a success by spineless politicians. They could lose their seat without a bailout. They could just say no however if it really is all about local control

180363 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to DRW, 3, #1384 of 1892 🔗

That’s what I fear.
Sunak threatens with miserly compensation, local leaders threaten to rebel. Sunak ups the deal to a slightly less miserly pittance for those out of work – or for more covid Stasi? – and the local leaders agree to any old bollox.

180394 ▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to DRW, 1, #1385 of 1892 🔗

The problem is politicians integrity is for sale so they assume everyone else’s is too. Surely some politicians, medical experts etc have children and a stake in the future? Or do they really believe it won’t affect them?

180783 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to KBuchanan, 1, #1386 of 1892 🔗

The rich are completely divorced from the reality of the normal.

180368 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Bill h, 6, #1387 of 1892 🔗

Yes, it will be money – every household will get £1000 – not! It will be money for local councils to fritter away on vanity schemes.

180381 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tenchy, 8, #1388 of 1892 🔗

Here’s a brilliant response from a ratepayer about one such scheme:

Because I happily remain reasonably fit and active even at my now octogenarian years, I don’t find crossing Huddersfield town centre between the locations listed to be an issue and certainly not a £1.88 million expenditure issue.

One can therefore but surmise that our august elected representatives have yet again either misguidedly lost the plot, or are operating from some covert agenda to which us mere mortals are not to be privy!
I will concede, however, that there are some who may not find their perambulations through the town to be quite as easy as I do, but, again, does facilitating that minority justify the expenditure of £1.88 million for them to visit a town that has little to attract them to be there in the first place?

Indeed, it is just that which do find to be the issue. What is there to attract most folk to visit the town centre in the first place, other than for those very infrequent visits that must be made out of unavoidable necessity rather than a personal choice. The reality is Huddersfield town centre is a depressing place to be and that has been exacerbated by the current pandemic conditions which have effected ever more shuttered facades to be added to the hideous 1960s planning blights which ripped the heart out of the town which was already in a state of decline.

That was a decline which was even further exacerbated by the disastrous 1970s local authorities reorganisations which destroyed the proud identities of each of the towns which were sucked into the deplorably costly exercise of creating the rootless Kirklees metropolitan district out of which the main beneficiaries at that time were council officers many of whom were effectively re-employed at greatly inflated remuneration packages, mostly at the expense of disposing of on-the-ground workers, the very ones who actually delivered our services.

Whether or not spending £1.88 million on widening footpaths and painting a few white lines for cyclists who will probably not be attracted to ride through the town anyway, remains to be seen, but add to that the as yet clearly undisclosed actual cost of a museum to rugby in the defunct George Hotel, one surely must question the mental stability of the decision makers who are totally comfortable with extracting £2000 per annum or more from households mainly to have their waste bins emptied.

180397 ▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1389 of 1892 🔗

What we need are more cycle lanes,Covid Marshall’s and Covis signage … sarc

180364 Sam Vimes, 15, #1390 of 1892 🔗

Anybody else in the North West think that we will get royally fucked over again, by twats in ‘That London’ that don’t know who or even where we are?
Anybody else completely unsurprised?
Fuck you, Bunter.

180369 DRW, replying to DRW, 6, #1391 of 1892 🔗

If Lockdown II is accepted just as much as the first, we are finished. I’m not sure there will ever be a “tipping point”, to use a popular phrase, of our own, the majority are lost.

180441 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to DRW, #1392 of 1892 🔗

Consider Lockdown II a done deal…

180781 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Voz 0db, #1393 of 1892 🔗

Oh well. Masks on folks. Let’s all go hide uder our beds now shall we.


180880 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Cheezilla, #1394 of 1892 🔗

You are clearly still not aware how the vast majority of the herd reacts!

180370 wat tyler, replying to wat tyler, 10, #1395 of 1892 🔗

Calling people bed wetters or sheep is childish and counter productive as we need the mass of the people to come over to our side and they won’t if we insult them . All i care about is that we win and anyone with an ounce of vision can see it’s tactically a wrong move .

180384 ▶▶ Basics, replying to wat tyler, 1, #1396 of 1892 🔗

A lovely commenter left LS sometime ago bevause of the term. I agree Wat.

180404 ▶▶ Ossettian, replying to wat tyler, #1397 of 1892 🔗

So what would you call them?

180451 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Ossettian, 3, #1398 of 1892 🔗

Gullible, unable of independent thinking, scared, comfortable, compliant, weak, tv addicts, MSM fanatics, truth deniers, blinkered, downtrodden, unquestioning?

180452 ▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Ossettian, 1, #1399 of 1892 🔗


180475 ▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Ossettian, 4, #1400 of 1892 🔗

Civilians who could become comrades . Calling the general population names will only keep us in the ghetto. As i said above it’s about tactics and winning the general public around to our point of view . Looking at what’s happening in terms of a war and winning it ,is all that matters .

180550 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Ossettian, #1401 of 1892 🔗

Terminally Terrified.

180437 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to wat tyler, #1402 of 1892 🔗

NO it’s NOT! That type of behaviour is what brought us ALL to this wonderful mess.

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180512 ▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Voz 0db, 4, #1403 of 1892 🔗

What brought us to the mess we are in is weak and cowardly leadership and a belief that social media is the voice of the people . What will save us is ourselves and the awakening of our view amongst the population .If you want to carry on calling people names then crack on but I don’t want to live in a self righteous ghetto i just want us to win the struggle.

180878 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to wat tyler, #1404 of 1892 🔗

That’s a lovely dream…

But if you look around what do you see?

180373 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1405 of 1892 🔗

I think this sort of stuff is not helpful to the cause (from The Telegraph live feed):

Piers Corbyn has again addressed crowds at an anti-mask, anti-vaccination, anti-5G protest.

The brother of the former Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn appeared on the steps of the Welsh Parliament in Cardiff on Sunday wielding a microphone in front of a poster proclaiming: “End all Covid Vax” and “Take down 5G”.

It makes sceptics out to be conspiracy theory nutters.

180432 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Tenchy, #1406 of 1892 🔗

The only reason it’s not “helpful” to the cause it’s because the HERD is utterly IGNORANT!

Our knowledge of the effects of EMR is NOT NEW… But since the herd of morons prefer to drink alcohol and eat “fish and chips” and watch soccer and engage on some other distractions in order to forget our slave condition, well, of course they will “think” that “1G” to “5G” it’s all perfectly SAFE!

A nice and fun small read !

I bet 99,9% never read the caution alert about not touching their smartphones!

180769 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Voz 0db, 1, #1407 of 1892 🔗

morons prefer to drink alcohol and eat “fish and chips” and watch soccer and engage on some other distractions

Wow, you sound SO superior to mere ordinary mortals!

Off to do my nightly covid taste test now. Red wine works best.

180872 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Cheezilla, #1408 of 1892 🔗

Typical moron slave reaction…

180459 ▶▶ Kath Andrews, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1409 of 1892 🔗

I was there today – it was a decent rally and a good day – it certainly did not have a ‘conspiracy’ vibe.

180775 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Kath Andrews, #1410 of 1892 🔗

Glad to hear it went well. I’ve found very little coverage of the event and those of yesterday.

180767 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1411 of 1892 🔗

Not just that. It just plays into the hands of the establishment. It isn’t the main thing to focus on at the moment and it seriously dilutes the message and gives ammo to the press for ridicule. The press always report on the 5G, anti-vax and anti-mask people. Mockdown never gets a look in!

180374 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 20, #1412 of 1892 🔗

Don’t worry!—I don’t give a sh*t either!

Doing some weeding in my garden this afternoon I was aware of the sound of an electric lawn mower next door. My neighbours had their friends visiting who had brought them this new mower on account of the lady of the house having to take over from her husband because ill health has rendered him incapable of carrying out this task.

I get on well with my neighbours, but they are brainwashed by Covid porn which at times has tested my patience when I’ve been helping them with one thing or another. I leaned over the fence and quipped ‘I see you’re vacuuming the garden?’ as a humorous intro to their gathering. I don’t like to pry or interrupt but I don’t like to ignore either so I just intended to have a few polite words.

This initiated a very warm response from ‘Jean’ my neighbours friend who edged closer to the fence and we began chatting. Not long into the conversation she must have thought that she needed to justify her visit when she said ‘I know we’re not supposed to be here on account of the lockdown but they needed this mower and we won’t be staying long’. My reply was along these lines: ‘Well, to be honest, I never watch TV news or read newspapers and never have done since this Covid business started. My wife and I just get on with our lives as normally as possible, in every sense, wherever we can, so I really wouldn’t know why you shouldn’t be here’. This elicited a big smile and a facial recognition of a kindred spirit and we continued our conversation in a climate of mutual sceptic understanding.

This may seem like a post over nothing, and indeed seven months ago, who in their right mind would have thought this little incident worth mentioning? But now we live in strange times and all of us who see the madness in this ‘virus’ business appreciate it when we come across people of a similar mind, even in mundane circumstances.

One recent occurrence that must have crystalised the sheer insanity, and downright unforgivable cruelty in recent days, was the masked funeral attendant separating grieving brothers from their mother. How despicable was that?

I’ve tried to live my life by seeing the best in everyone and there was a time when I attended Quaker meetings. But I have to say that when my mum died, not that long ago, If anyone from the funeral directors had tried to separate me from my loving family members they would have felt the full force of my foot right between their legs—-which might have made them think twice before acting in a similar vane with other people at their worst moments of grief.

180414 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Harry hopkins, 3, #1413 of 1892 🔗

Modern moron slaves are our first enemies… Their level of OBEDIENCE to the hierarchy turns them into savages, specially when they have just a tiny bit of POWER handed by the STATE!

180548 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Voz 0db, 4, #1414 of 1892 🔗

Richard Littlejohn often repeats that if you give someone a little bit of power, they ALWAYS abuse it.

180870 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Banjones, #1415 of 1892 🔗

Yep… look no further than cops, or copigs like I enjoy calling those scoundrels!

180545 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Harry hopkins, 3, #1416 of 1892 🔗

Interesting – thank you. We have to be grateful for small things in these mad times.

I’m so glad you added that at the end about visiting violence upon someone threatening (and it WAS threatening) one’s family. I’m only surprised those gentlemen complied. Many wouldn’t have. That arrogant little jobsworth needs to meet one less compliant, and soon. I hope the CCTV catches the moment – and that it goes VIRAL.

180376 Marina Peerman, replying to Marina Peerman, #1417 of 1892 🔗

According to the latest polling data, “ 88% of the population are still generally or strictly following the rules”

Apologies if this has already been discussed, but, barring a civil war crashing the party when all this is over, I believe the post-mortem will show that the WHO made a huge error of judgement by putting so many people at MODERATE to HIGH RISK for the virus. Rather than at a HIGHER risk.

Total: 35,290,500 incidences in the UK ( I’ve added the figures at the bottom of this comment)

Taking into account that some people have more than one underlying health condition, it is still a significant percentage of the population who have been told they are at MODERATE to HIGH RISK of succumbing to the virus.

Amongst those at risk, it would take a very pragmatic person with a cavalier “live or die” attitude to life to willingly throw themselves into the path of the virus.

Could that be why 88% of the population are still so compliant?

Taking that one step further, isn’t it equally feasible that many of those responsible for imposing these draconian lockdown rules, also believe themselves to be at MODERATE to HIGH risk. And why not include many of those running the MSM and even some of the scientists themselves?

I know I’m either stating the obvious (definitely not an intriguing conspiracy theory) but it feels like it could be one of the reasons why those who have the power to undo/relax the rules aren’t doing so?


12,000,000 (adults) – OBESE (BMI of 40+) (NHS.uk)
8,700,000 – 70+ YEARS OLD (ONS.gov.uk)
8,000,000 – ASTHMA (British Heart Foundation)
7,400,000 – CARDIOVASCULAR DISEASE (British Heart Foundation)
3,900,000 – DIABETES (Diabetes.org.uk (2019))
3,000,000 – CHRONIC KIDNEY DISEASE (Kidney Care UK.org)
1,800,000 – CANCER PATIENTS (Public Health.gov.uk)
1,000,000 – COPD (DIAGNOSED) (Nice.org)
800,000 – PREGNANT (ONS.gov.uk)
400,000 – RHEUMATOID ARTHRITIS (Rheumatoid Arthritis Society)
145,000 – PARKINSONS DISEASE (Parkinsons UK)
130,000 – MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS (Multiple Sclerosis Society)
10,500 – CYSTIC FIBROSIS (Cystic Fibrosis.org.uk)
5,000 – MOTOR NEURONE DISEASE (Nice.org)

Total: 35,290,500

Even more, if you take into account the other less prevalent conditions I didn’t get the figures for.

180387 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Marina Peerman, 4, #1418 of 1892 🔗

Sobering figures but those same groups are surely vulnerable to other Corona viruses, flu etc. On the basis of those figures nearly 50% of the population should permanently shield from daily life.

It would be interesting to breakdown the figures to the over 70s who have other contributory factors.

P.s Psoriasis (which I suffer from) is also classed as immune deficiency disease

180393 ▶▶ R G, replying to Marina Peerman, 7, #1419 of 1892 🔗

Almost everyone I’ve spoken to over the age of 50 thinks that yes, lockdown is a mistake, yes it’s going to end up killing more people than it saves, yes it’s going to wipe out the economy, but I’ve got X wrong with me (who doesn’t at that age) and if I get it I’m a goner.

180427 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to R G, 9, #1420 of 1892 🔗

I’d rather be a goner at 54 than that the entire human race kills itself from starvation or whatever because people are scared of a virus!!!!

180472 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to R G, 7, #1421 of 1892 🔗

The psychology behind all of this is mad. People think they are saving lives by locking down but they are in fact only looking to save their own and, in the process, condem others to death.

180776 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1422 of 1892 🔗

Tried to explain that to my (lefty, Guardian buying) brother today and was asked when did I start caring about other people 🙁

180477 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Marina Peerman, 1, #1423 of 1892 🔗

What does “generally” mean anyway? Huge range of possibilities in that word, including “I follow them when it suits me and isn’t inconvenient but the rest of the time I don’t bother.”

180531 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Marina Peerman, 3, #1424 of 1892 🔗

Why is it never mentioned that perhaps people are ”compliant” because they couldn’t afford the preposterous fines that we’re all threatened with?
The government said it would threaten and bully us into being afraid enough to obey.

180740 ▶▶ Bill95, replying to Marina Peerman, #1425 of 1892 🔗

You cannot sum those figures like that, there is substantial overlap between many of those categories. If you add up to get 35M you are double counting (infact triple, quadruple or worse) people.

180759 ▶▶▶ Bill95, replying to Bill95, #1426 of 1892 🔗

To clarify, plenty of the diabetics and cardiovascular sufferers will be obese too. many will also be over 70… Other categories will also often overlap. With such big overlaps of categories, to actually sum these you’ll need a lot more data to start from. In a venn diagram the version of “summing” you wish to do would be the union of all the categories, probability theory contains some rules to help handle this.

180749 ▶▶ Bill95, replying to Marina Peerman, #1427 of 1892 🔗

P.S. 88% say they are complying, far less actually are. People answer the polls in a way which virture signals very often, rather than truth. Remember, 80% when asked say they’ll self-isolate, something like 15% did so. Too many people don’t realise that bad rules need to be defied by everybody, that saying “others should obey this but I shouldn’t” is a non-starter.

180380 Basics, replying to Basics, 2, #1428 of 1892 🔗

The Great Barrington Declaration website is down.

‘Is it down?’ Checkers report it’s down for everyone.

180386 ▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to Basics, 1, #1429 of 1892 🔗

It was down earlier though it did come back momentarily.

180390 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to nocheesegromit, 2, #1430 of 1892 🔗

Hopefully it’s only because it’s being inundated – hopefully not by 77th Bananas.

180395 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #1431 of 1892 🔗

That’s my hopeful thinking too. I can imahine the traffic going insane after WHO named it and say in favour of it. Someone pouring iced water on the servers as we speak perhaps.

I think Carl Vernon is very right to narrow his eyes and ask Why now? For the WHO to come out in favour.

180413 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Basics, 1, #1432 of 1892 🔗

Has the WHO realised the game is up now?

180435 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #1433 of 1892 🔗

I siggested below looking at this as a bargaining process.

Punished with lockdowns for months people will be glad to ‘get away with’ masking and anti-social distancing,

This would make sense if the goal is to reduce social interaction to a minimum whilst minimising economic effects.

180473 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to calchas, 1, #1434 of 1892 🔗

The distancing will probably stay. And hand washing.

180520 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #1435 of 1892 🔗

And the ”distancing” was only ever supposed to be three feet.
(I don’t think I’ve ever got within three feet of a total stranger, and then coughed in their face.)

180741 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Banjones, #1436 of 1892 🔗

I tend to naturally keep a distance from strangers so I don’t get a noseful of their stinky laundry products.

180738 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Nick Rose, #1437 of 1892 🔗

I’ve no problem with hand washing.
Gel is a different matter though!

Distancing is the biggest problem for businesses (apart from mockdown, of course).

180442 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #1438 of 1892 🔗

Andrew neil has the interview. For speed of search see carl vernon youtube channel he has a short movie about it.
I posted the neil clip in a tweet a couple of days back.

180471 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Basics, 1, #1439 of 1892 🔗

Thanks B. Seen the Carl Vernon clip, will hunt down Andrew Neil’s interview now :o))

180555 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, #1440 of 1892 🔗

Some grand snippets in that interview! Thanks 👍

180398 ▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to Basics, 1, #1441 of 1892 🔗

Denial of service attack organised by governments

180440 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to 6097 Smith W, 2, #1442 of 1892 🔗

Is there proof for this? I don’t doubt you. But as an archive of our times it would be good to see the actual proof on LS. Thanks.

Sort of eliminates rumour which is a good thing to do.

180389 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 7, #1443 of 1892 🔗

I agree with the the chappy who would have you drop the term “bedwetter”. For those that have this condition it must be very distressing to see it used as a term of abuse.

180422 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Ned of the Hills, 1, #1444 of 1892 🔗

I favour ‘Covid-credulous’. It indicates weakness, but the possibility of redemption, and isn’t incompatible with compassion and empathy on behalf of the person using it.

180732 ▶▶▶ Bill95, replying to Barney McGrew, #1445 of 1892 🔗

That is perhaps actually quite a good one. Imagine you are a “bed wetter”, if someone calls you covid-credulous you’ll be mroe inclined to come round to their anti-lockdown side than if they call you a bed-wetter, a coronanist, a coronacoward… Although coronaphove perhaps fits this spot too.

180515 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Ned of the Hills, 1, #1446 of 1892 🔗

I agree. I prefer ”Terminally Terrified”.

(Though I actually don’t wish for it to be terminal for them – I hope they live long enough to feel embarrassed.)

180391 JHuntz, replying to JHuntz, 7, #1447 of 1892 🔗

The daily express has a really nice graph in this article that is clearly intended to spread fear, however some quick calculations based on it are quite damning https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1346049/Boris-Johnson-speech-Monday-press-conference-second-lockdown-announcement-evg

Total tests = 24,640,915
Total positives= 575,679
% positive v tests = 2.3%

Total deaths = 42,679
% deaths v tests = 0.0017%

% deaths v population = 0.00063% (66.8 Million ONS)

Given the median age is 82 the majority of deaths were with co-morbidities what stats is it exactly that the government are using to justify further restrictions???

180400 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to JHuntz, 7, #1448 of 1892 🔗

For each and every chemical reaction (aka PCR) one can have for the SAME SAMPLE a “positive” or a “negative” final reaction result…

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… This is the beauty of using PCR as a “test”!

Of course that that matrix I’ve made early in the Fraud (around early May) is just like a wonderful Palace! The herd looks at it… and that’s it!

So… Just keep enjoying the CIRCUS!


180405 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to JHuntz, 2, #1449 of 1892 🔗

The WHO declared on the 5th of October that the IFR for CUVID-19 is 0,1%… What happened?!

… … …


180399 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 5, #1450 of 1892 🔗

Great Barrington Declaration is down again. They’re really going for it, aren’t they? Can’t even get it through my VPN.

180408 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #1451 of 1892 🔗

They are probably trying to DDOS the site so it won’t feature in Monday’s and next week’s news cycle

180411 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Two-Six, 3, #1452 of 1892 🔗

Either that or, as Basics says below, it might be inundated after the WHO came out in support of it.

180419 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #1453 of 1892 🔗

Could be, David Ickes site got heavily DDOS’ed. There is a thing people can do to stop it. Not sure if they have that front page filter thing operational. It delays your re-direction to the site for a few seconds.

180431 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1454 of 1892 🔗

OffG currently under attack too I think. Not been able to access for hours.

180415 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Two-Six, 11, #1455 of 1892 🔗

The tech guys in the house say it is either a coordinated and sustained attack by a set of hackers sending ‘packets’ (like Anonymous), or an institutional actor with massive computing processing power linked direct to the internet. More likely the second than the first.

This is getting out of hand now – powers that be are scared shitless.

180465 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 9, #1456 of 1892 🔗

They are. The wheels are coming off their bus big time now. All that’s needed is the newspapers’ editors to get on board and it’s game over.

180478 ▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Nick Rose, #1457 of 1892 🔗

Is it though? Things are getting worse.

180504 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to DRW, 2, #1458 of 1892 🔗

It’d be nice to think these were just death throes. They could be if we all stopped kowtowing to these ridiculous rules on muzzles. I don’t wear one (a thin wisp of a silk scarf if I feel I’m frightening anyone close by). I think it’s mainly ugly people who wear them – a great boon, I’d have thought! But I daresay for many this is the most exciting thing that’s ever happened in all their very narrow lives!

180434 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #1459 of 1892 🔗

Just got through after a bit of a delay.

180444 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #1460 of 1892 🔗

Can you cut and paste the figures. Screen cap or such. It would be good to keep an eye on the signing traffic. Thanks.

180456 ▶▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Basics, 2, #1461 of 1892 🔗

That bit seems to be down

180458 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Steeve, #1462 of 1892 🔗

[gravitywp_count formid=”1″ filter_field=”7″ filter_value=”General public”]

180464 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Steeve, #1463 of 1892 🔗

Thanks. I cannot access it at all. I’ve stopped trying for now. Thanks for posting th error text.

180457 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Basics, 3, #1464 of 1892 🔗

That now seems to be blank (only code), and you cannot currently sign the declaration.

180461 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 4, #1465 of 1892 🔗

Brandnewtube was hacked just a few days ago. Just mentioning for context not suggesting any link as I have no idea.

180506 ▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #1466 of 1892 🔗

I’ve just tried on my Netbook – no problem.

180463 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Basics, 1, #1467 of 1892 🔗

Now as TT reports, but will keep trying

180469 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #1468 of 1892 🔗

Apparently it was at the top of Google via a French VPN yesterday, meaning it was purposely targeted for shadowing in the UK (and possibly US). Not sure what has happened now as the site has no signatories or possibility to sign.

180406 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 8, #1469 of 1892 🔗

Revealed: How Covid cases have fallen far short of the Government’s ‘doomsday graph’

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180433 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #1470 of 1892 🔗

Is that krankie angular peak the spire of forgotten doom?

The red columns tell a tale.

Bill and ben need bringing to account. With bars on their windows.

180439 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Basics, 1, #1471 of 1892 🔗

Particularly as the stand to gain, financially from their policy which is destroying the country.

180454 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Will, 3, #1472 of 1892 🔗

Earlier comment oday by me has a link covering the Edinburgh Univesity Study from last week. Prof Graham Atlands(?) Peer reviewed study. In march the gov advisors compiled at report for the gov. In that report it explicitly states lockdown will cause more deaths in the long term than doing nothing. In short the government bill and ben knew at the time their decisions would cause more death.

See the link below somewhere.

180476 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Basics, 3, #1473 of 1892 🔗

That was probably the backlog “missed in error”

180501 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to DRW, 2, #1474 of 1892 🔗

The contrived spire of doom as I call it.

180447 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Cheezilla, #1475 of 1892 🔗

I don’t subscribe to the DT – please could you let me know what each column/line is showing (apart from the grey bit that wasnt a prediction)? Ta

180470 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to CGL, 2, #1476 of 1892 🔗

Black line – cases by reporting date
Red line – cases by specimen date (recent days will be added to hence the apparent drop)
Yellow line – 7-day moving average

180510 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to A. Contrarian, #1477 of 1892 🔗

Thank you

180412 CGL, replying to CGL, 2, #1478 of 1892 🔗

Just watched this – shame no journalists are investigative these days

180426 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to CGL, 16, #1479 of 1892 🔗

Here’s a briliant comment:
The Amish community were asked why the coronavirus was Not effecting them. They said we do not have Television.

180443 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1480 of 1892 🔗

Yes I liked that one!

180417 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 10, #1481 of 1892 🔗

I watched a few thing by Derren Brown on netflix recently.

The one where he brainwashed people to murder someone they only met a few hours before by pushing them off a tall building.

I think more people need to watch things like this right now.

I also have a friend who has finished a degree in psychology and we had a chat about the “power of threes”

I’m starting to think that the only way to win this war is to use their own brainwashing against them.

For example, when expressing to someone a fact that you have evidence that they might not want to hear that is true, say it three times in a calm manor.

Suicide will kill more people than covid19 if we carry on like this.

Suicide will kill more people than covid19 if we carry on like this.

Suicide will kill more people than covid19 if we carry on like

You get the idea

180425 ▶▶ CGL, replying to captainbeefheart, 3, #1482 of 1892 🔗

What about the power of 33’s ?

180430 ▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to CGL, 3, #1483 of 1892 🔗

Obvs much better… just three times without Dominic Cummings trickery is a good start start start though

180450 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #1484 of 1892 🔗

Ooh I see what you did there- no flies on me!

180421 Basics, 6, #1485 of 1892 🔗

An excellent few words in a tweet I like, the tweet links to Peter Hitens article – if they do this at my funeral I’ll haunt them.

“Rita Panahi
Distinguished scientists around the world are demanding sanity. Even our pathetic MPs are beginning to wonder if they have been had. The media are slowly waking up to their proper duty of questioning authority, writes

180428 DRW, 5, #1486 of 1892 🔗

Not that long ago some on here were saying a two-week half term lockdown was being lined up as a final move to change course without losing face. They’ve had many chances to if they wanted, the imminent 6 MONTH northern semi-lockdowns says they will only continue “until there’s a vaccine”.

180445 Humanity First, replying to Humanity First, 4, #1487 of 1892 🔗

In a leaked military manual on “unconventional warfare” recently highlighted by WikiLeaks, the U.S. Army states that major global financial institutions — such as the World Bank, International Monetary Fund (IMF), and the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) — are used as unconventional, financial “weapons in times of conflict up to and including large-scale general war,” as well as in leveraging “the policies and cooperation of state governments.

“…the U.S. government applies “unilateral and indirect financial power through persuasive influence to international and domestic financial institutions regarding availability and terms of loans, grants, or other financial assistance to foreign state and nonstate actors,” and specifically names the World Bank, IMF and The Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), as well as the Bank for International Settlements (BIS), as “U.S. diplomatic-financial venues to accomplish” such goals.”


This sheds an interesting light on Belarus’ rejection of an IMF loan:

IMF Made Loans to Belarus Conditional on a Lockdown. Lukashenko Turned Them Down “We will not dance to anyone’s tune” was the precise response

180642 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Humanity First, #1488 of 1892 🔗

Icke has been telling us this – with examples – for 20 years.
Pilger too.

180453 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 7, #1489 of 1892 🔗

So for c19 they use a PCR test that is not fit for purpose, what test do they use to diagnose influenza?

180455 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Major Panic, 7, #1490 of 1892 🔗

A thermometer?

180526 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to CGL, 2, #1491 of 1892 🔗

Too technical.

Finger in the wind or chicken bones are better.

180462 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Major Panic, 10, #1492 of 1892 🔗

How are mass hysteria and mindless conformity diagnosed?

Proportion of people wearing masks in the open air.

180487 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to calchas, 5, #1493 of 1892 🔗

Well said! I am appalled by the increasing number of these muzzlers, their cringing and their little darting, frightened eyes peering over their muzzles, and, as you say, in the good fresh open air. (Don’t they know they’re just as likely to ‘catch’ it through their eyes?)

This is worth reading, from an expert who knows about masks:


180488 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Banjones, 2, #1494 of 1892 🔗

It’ll be goggles/visors next then.

180635 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to DRW, #1495 of 1892 🔗


180474 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Major Panic, 1, #1496 of 1892 🔗

I think they use models to calculate overall flu deaths for the year.

180721 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Steeve, #1497 of 1892 🔗

Flu deaths = anybody’s guess then?

180460 Lockdown Truth, replying to Lockdown Truth, 1, #1498 of 1892 🔗

The BBC doing it’s bit for the cashless society:


180479 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Lockdown Truth, 1, #1499 of 1892 🔗

Fake science? Certainly reads like it.

180554 ▶▶▶ NappyFace, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1500 of 1892 🔗

I saw that too. Most interesting. They have also found that people without ID chips are more susceptible to this virus.

180631 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Lockdown Truth, 1, #1501 of 1892 🔗

Good news!
It means you shouldn’t be carrying your T&T-enabled phone around with you.

180466 NappyFace, replying to NappyFace, 1, #1502 of 1892 🔗

Covid-19 death rates are lower worldwide, but no one is sure whether that’s a blip or a trend
Scientists warn against complacency in this ‘cliffhanger moment,’ saying even reduced lethality could mean millions more lives lost.

Read in The Washington Post: https://apple.news/AzLjUS7JPT5Kql5RnLTZyCQ

180468 ▶▶ BJJ, replying to NappyFace, 2, #1503 of 1892 🔗

So what?

180481 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to NappyFace, 3, #1504 of 1892 🔗

Well, they would say that, wouldn’t they? It’s called self-justification after all the tripe we’e been fed. Anyway, they don’t ALL say so.
Now how about you reading the following, just some figures, easily checked:


180492 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to NappyFace, 8, #1505 of 1892 🔗

It’s just a blip. This is a massively dangerous virus and if you still have a job it’s very important that we bankrupt you just in case it saves one life.

180467 JHuntz, replying to JHuntz, 5, #1506 of 1892 🔗

One virus to rule them all…

180482 ▶▶ Basics, replying to JHuntz, 8, #1507 of 1892 🔗

Turn your TV off and there’s no virus.

Okay so you have to switch a few more devices off and turn your head away from all human society but the point is there.

180484 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Basics, 7, #1508 of 1892 🔗

Yes – it’s all bollocks.

Everyone on here knows that.

180490 ▶▶▶▶ Recusant, replying to calchas, 5, #1509 of 1892 🔗

If it didn’t have a name we wouldn’t know it existed.

180536 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Recusant, 2, #1510 of 1892 🔗

We’d just call it flu – like normal.

180527 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Basics, 2, #1511 of 1892 🔗

Sorry but I need my daily MSM corona fear porn in between watching Frodo and Sam scale mordor.

180647 ▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to Basics, #1512 of 1892 🔗

And no business either.

180483 MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 24, #1513 of 1892 🔗

Latest from the High Peak: It has been a lovely afternoon, sunny intervals, crisp and clear. We cycled to New Mills – dozens of people out and about, most jolly and enjoying the sunshine but with one or two swervers and back-turners and some people looking depressed and withdrawn. Our Palestinian cafe-owner friend also seemed down and dispirited. He has to wear the bloody muzzle all day now and he said ‘I don’t give a shit for it’ i.e. he’s really pissed off.

Alan had a go at a silly old gimmer wearing the filthiest mask we’ve ever seen, warning him that he was going to make himself ill. The bloke told Alan he was wrong because ‘that’s not what the papers say’. Oh well, you can’t really make war on the terminally thick, can you?

Then down to the Co-op with no masks, lanyards or badges – our new M.O. ‘Greeted with great friendliness by the cashier. Depressingly, 100% obedient volk until we were on our way out. A youngish bloke was walking in and gave me a huge beam – because he could! 🙂 As we left, the Coop’s hi-tech counting machine went ‘Paaaarp! It is now safe to enter the store!’ We thought, blimey, it’s so clever it knows 2 bio-hazards have just left the building!

‘A bunch of kids outside, one about 13 in a mask so I had a little go at him. He actually took it off! As we pedalled off, we couldn’t resist saying in loud voices stuff like ‘Welcome to Zombie-geddon, this is a fucking ant-farm’ (thanks to Ivor Cummins’ daughter for that one) and other childish stuff. But we didn’t call anyone a B-W, honest guv.

On the way home we chatted to our dark-green shopkeeper mate who has been full-on Covi-hysteric. He is the only shopkeeper who has forced me to use hand-sanitiser (he let me use my own after my protests) and we’ve avoided his shop since the mask-mandate as we can’t face his fear. He delivers to us now. Anyway, it turns out his wife is pregnant and he said something about not going to a mutually favourite cafe in Buxton as he wants to ‘reduce contacts’. We didn’t say anything but thought this was typical over-reaction but later we realised what he really meant. His wife has been struggling with morning sickness and their trade is down about 30%. He literally can’t afford to be tracked-and-traced as he’s having to run the shop on his own. Belatedly, we realise they may have woken up a bit and are really worried.

Then our elderly friend phoned us. She and her mate are getting the run-around from the NHS so we had a mutual rant. She is getting it more-and-more and is very angry at how they are being treated. She has realised that the NHS is a Covid-only service.

We are in dark times and for many people, reality is now kicking in. I think the task for LS is going to be holding up the truly demoralised and defeated. We are sure that this is what is now wrong with so many people. They seem like collaborators (and they are) but it’s because their resistance has already been worn down, they’re resigned and they have no fight in them. We need to get them to realise that we can be all in it together, just not like the bastards mean it! MW

180529 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 3, #1514 of 1892 🔗

It’s what the papers say
You know it’s right
It’s down there written in black and white — for you
It’s what the papers say
You know it’s true
They’re responsible citizens and would they lie to you?


180533 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1515 of 1892