2020-10-14

1st the worst

Piers Corbyn on setting up anti lockdown groups #OurMovement Action Groups

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3hC7nEp-v4

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Is the ‘cure’ worse than Covid? Driven to despair by lockdown, two of Professor Angus Dalgleish’s colleagues took their own lives… and compelled him to join a growing rebellion against Cromwellian restrictions
Cancer specialist says he has been lost two colleagues to suicide in two weeks
One ‘killed himself as result of profound despair at loneliness created by Covid’
Prof Angus Dalgleish says focus on Covid-19 is ‘distorting healthcare priorities’
Daily Mail news/article-8824833/Lockdown-despair-drove-two-Professors-lives.html
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8824833/Lockdown-despair-drove-two-Professors-lives.html

“ Scientific Pandemic Influenza Group on Modelling” … should someone tell them this isn’t influenza?

I’d have thought they will be rebranding the flu

Who says it is isn’t influenza? There is no proper evidence to suggest otherwise.

The medical definition of flu is an “Influenza like illness” or ILI. Coronavirus is definitely an ILI.

Funny, we seem to have a Deputy CMO who is a specialist in… influenza… who better to convince us that it’s absolutely definitely not that?

You’d be sickened to be second.

Great Barrington Declaration co-author:

Dr Jay Bhattacharya, co-author of the Great Barrington Declaration: “The current lockdown strategy seeks herd immunity. That is the end point. The question is how much death and suffering will there be in the meantime?”

By the way there is appalling clip of Hancock dismissing the Great Barrington Declaration

14 Oct 2020
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivVuUqLDqAk

Hancock is not qualified to so arrogantly dismiss these esteemed individuals who have knowledge Hancock worked in the cesspit called the city of london before politics

Bah! Missed by a squeak

Almost!

Close…. This is worth a read:-
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/a-medic-s-case-against-another-lockdown

Anyone got a copy of this to avoid paywall? Thanks

It’s an excellent article. Worth reading in full. Here are some bits:

‘Do no harm’ are three words all doctors must follow in the course of their work. These words make me convinced that Covid-19 lockdowns are the wrong approach, and a growing number of doctors are on my side.

…. If lockdowns were a prescription drug for Covid-19 treatment, the FDA would never have approved it.

…. In August, the Lancet published an analysis of data from 50 countries. The researchers found that full lockdowns were ‘not associated’ with decreased mortality from Covid-19.

…. if a physician were to prescribe a lockdown to a savvy patient who asked about the risks, the physician would have to disclose that depression, suicide, homicide, overdose, wife-beating, and starvation are potential side effects. Rare is the patient who would agree to take such a pill, which brings me to the other pillar of medical ethics: autonomy. Physicians do not force treatment on competent, non-consenting patients…..

Not even on the podium.

Found this from March 2020:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-stocks-shortselling-idUKKBN21811E

Someone made a hell of a lot of money just before everything shut down.

Insider dealing trials coming up?

Good thing – on the Daily Wail’s website, not one complimentary comment about Boris or Kier.

Very hostile and sceptic.

Reuters behind a paywall

There’s a firefox app that gets round any paywall.. seek and ye might find.

I got the link by just clicking, no paywall when I tried.

Try this one:

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/stock-market-short-sellers-billions-profit-coronavirus-economic-decline-tech-2020-3-1029022585#

There were a few memebers of US congress being investigated for potential insider dealing a few months ago for doing just this.

While this makes me feel better, knowing that people aren’t fooled it also makes this all more depressing because we still can’t change anything. I mean the casual dismissal of the Barrington Declaration in governement, simply shrugged off in the most idiotic manner indicates there’s nothing we can do. Even the WHO asking nations not to lockdown isn’t enough to compel the politicians. There seems to be no way out until they decide it is over. This has to be about something else.

Quite. As posted above https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=share&v=R8OMTkmyKEA&app=desktop

There are things we can do. We can change things. We are going to have to give it our all. Obviously writing to MPs etc. We can also refuse to comply with the restrictions and all associated fines etc. We need to engage, persuade and explain to people what is really going on at every opportunity and illustrate why these restrictions are utterly disproportionate. I was heartened to hear about the man running the gym who said he would defy the lockdown and stay open. We need more of this type of steady defiance as well as persuasion. If we all refuse to comply, they cannot keep it going.

To me, this whole covid debacle is an illustration of how ‘the pen is mightier than the sword.’

People comply because they believe the rhetoric and propaganda.

We have to make an almighty effort to clarify, refute, reframe and persuade.

We have to get out there and engage in person, on Twitter, on the Guardian blogs where everyone believes the polar opposite to us (and where I am currently being pre-moderated for saying a week or so before the Barrington Declaration that ‘we should support and shield the elderly and vulnerable if they want to be shielded and let the young catch it’.).

It is worth remembering that they are as terrified as we are. We are terrified of the implications of this utterly disproportionate global reaction to a mild virus, they are terrified of sickness and death of themselves and their loved ones. We share this in common with them.

Hello everyone. I come here for sanity, information and comfort every day. My wifi is usually off by then tho, so I have only tried to comment once (when my guardian stuff was deleted to complain about censorship and control of the narrative by msm. I do not know where that comment went, but anyway, here i am again.

We are going to have to fight this, because it is massive and Global and there is no other way out. I have been searching for a way out for myself and my family for months and cannot see any way out. We have to meet and plan and group together. We cannot just do this online.

If we lose, we are basically leaving our children to a totalitarian prison planet digital dystopia.

I was in Homebase this morning, had a chat to 2 different staff. One of them said its like an open prison in the North and hethinks its all disproportionate. The other looked really scared and said none of it makes sense and how massively its impacting everything.

People are waking up. They are shell shocked and dont know what to do.

Did anyone see the article in the Mail yesterday about the women in France labouring and giving birth in masks. Sickening cruelty. Total abuse. Terrifying.

I hope this comment gets posted!

Another thought I had recently and wanted to post on here was this. I am not putting it very well, but in regards to making people feel guilty/criminalised for perfectly normal, human behaviour -e.g. ‘stay at home, dont kill granny,’ etc., using guilt to manipulate particularly the young for needing to socialise etc.

Frustrating this perfectly natural drive in the young to socialise is real cruelty. It will inflict a psychological wound. This precious time will not come back and its harder later…

A parallel for this guilt tripping occurred to me… despite being a Catholic convert, I am aware that in the past, Catholic teaching of sin and guilt for perfectly normal behaviour, i.e. sexuality etc was used to control behaviour. People ended up with really warped attitudes to sexuality etc.

Its a nasty manipulation.

If anyone can summarise this guilt tripping into a snappy soundbite, referencing religion that would make it easier to call out! Society nowadays is so secular that anything associated with religion is smeared by association!

Good points! It’s definitely been a very effective PsyOp. It’s become so blantant that people are seeing it for what it is.

It’s important not to feel disempowered. Passive disobedience wherever possible is a good start.
Demonstrate genuine normality – wear your smile. Look people in the eye.

Talk to those who’ll listen. They might already be awake but need to know they’re not on their own.

Quote From the Spectator article. This puts to bed any idea that lockdown is saving granny.

“ I have personally admitted dozens of elderly people to hospital with illness resulting from social isolation and neglect. Some were literally starving to death. One patient, in her eighties, lived in a retirement community but relied on family members to feed her meals. When they were socially distanced (banned) from the premises, she couldn’t feed herself and her health quickly deteriorated. Another patient, a 92-year-old woman, simply gave up on life and started refusing her meals once her family stopped coming to visit. Both these scenes were catastrophically inhumane and will stick with me for a long time. Neither is captured in the government’s Covid-19 statistics.”

These people are being harmed and killed by the government.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/a-medic-s-case-against-another-lockdown

The abuses being inflicted on every section of society, from imprisoning kids on their first time away from home at university to criminally denying the elderly the love and comfort of their families in their last months and years of life, as well as the smashing of businesses which often constitutes people’s life’s work, denying care to the sick… the insane incursions into every aspect of people’s lives and liberties etc etc gives me a chill… it reminds me of the abuse psychopaths inflict on their victims before they murder them…

Watch UK Column!

There is something we can do that is stop simply complying with this nonsense https://www.remove-the-tory-government.org

6th is just 5th last place… Oh, well.

1st was all that mattered to the Greeks.

Stop the lockdowns by refusing to be tested .

Mabel this is great. I love it. I’m going to get stickers printed.

Do you have a fighting fund that I can contribute to?

I don’t feel like I’m doing enough, but other than hacking away at posters, I don’t know what to do for the best.

You’re doing a great job!

So Labour want to continue the trashing of livelihoods, jobs and dreams – what a surprise !
Kier is probably owned, like the idiot Tories, by the Davos set. Young people party and rebel !

He’s on Trilateral Commission.

Says it all along with being ex-head of the CPS.

As part of the instigatgion of the criminal Assange persecution in this role, he has already marked himself out as an enemy of the people. He is a restoration of Bliar’s neutering of the opposition, creating a one party state in Britain.

https://www.technocracy.news/trilateral-commission-usurping-sovereignty/

Can anyone help me if I’m asked at or before a job interview why I’m not wearing a mask?
I didn’t write down on my application I had any disabilities so I’m wondering if I’ve got myself in a pickle and am lowering the chance of being offered a job?
Thank you!

If you feel you have to say anything, you can use low mood .

My advice would be to present them with a printout of my discriminatory challenges document and say nothing more on the subject.

Unfortunately I think this is the wrong decision and that the only actual course of action is to wear a mask if asked to (@Jim – have they told you you need to?). Having ticked the “no disabilities” box, you’ll be on shaky ground, I would have though and showing them legal documentation at an interview is immediately going to mark you out as litigious.

If it were me, I think this is one of the very few circumstances where I would bite the bullet and wear a mask. I can’t think of another circumstance in fact.

Sadly, I agree.

There was no indication or anything about wearing a mask but, you know, these days the world has tilted on its axis!

Well, they’re not compulsory in offices, so hope for the best. Personally, I wouldn’t want to make any hiring decisions without seeing the person’s face in an interview – but then again, I’m not pro-mask.

You may very well not be asked to wear one, but I’m sorry to say that, – in my opinion – if you want the job, you probably should if they ask you to. Only you can know how much you need/want this particular job.

Thre is no disabilities box. Illegal to ask.

Yes and no. Assuming there was one, it will probably have been part of a survey relating to candidate diversity. In addition, several companies have a policy of always offering an interview to people with disabilities. As long as you aren’t obliged to provide the information, but you’re given the opportunity to volunteer it, it’s fine and not uncommon practice.

Fair enough. I just wonder why this same person is back again, having been given masses of advice by many of us previously. Perhaps he didn’t get the response he was trying for and is having another go.

I can understand the anxiety. A job interview is a stressful thing anyway and having to balance a principled stand against masks with your livelihood makes it more so.

What’s wrong with that Suey? Just scroll past. I have lost my business and am crossing my fingers for a part time cleaning job. I don’t want to f**k it up and I also don’t want to wear a mask. Have you ever asked and clarified and reclarified a question?????

I apologise, of course. Nothing’s wrong with that.

And nothing’s wrong with a cleaning job; you were the one yesterday saying “it’s only” a cleaning job. I wish you luck in your interview, and my advice stands, for what it’s worth: wear a lanyard as a courtesy and, if they ask, tell them you are exempt and explain that your inability to wear a mask would not prevent you doing the job. If they ask WHY you are exempt, reply courteously that you don’t wish to discuss it further.

Or, of course, you could wear a mask if you wish, if you think it might be more likely to get you the job; then decide that droplets and aerosols from cleaning fluids getting on to the mask are causing you issues so you can’t wear one while doing the job. Your choice entirely.

Again, I wish you luck, and please do come back and let us know how you get on.

But a disability that might prevent mask wearing (eg panic attacks, asthma) isnt one I would think of to fill in on an employment form (wheelchair user, registered deaf or blind) as under normal circumstances they would not require any special accommodation in an office-type setting.

Why not claim that wearing a mask provokes anxiety and that you’ve been advised not to wear one.

That isn’t a disability anymore than, say, an adverse reaction from taking anti-malarial medication as a preventative measure.

Under normal circumstances, you don’t have a disability. If they force you to do something unnatural, like wear a mask, then you have an adverse physical reaction.

Perfectly legitimate.

Isn’t a common qualification “the ability to work under pressure”?
Being susceptible to anxiety wouldn’t do you any favours!

Or wear a loose scarf if it less oppressive.

Asthma isn’t a disability and a valid medical excuse

Great advice but I won’t use it at an interview. Low mood: not what we want. Presenting discriminatory challenges: Stay clear this person will be difficult

You are of course right. I was in too much of a rush to be “helpful” to think it through. Employers don’t generally want people who buck authority.

I wouldn’t fancy employing anyone who put “low mood” on an application form!

Unfortunately, I don’t think anyone really considers mask exemption to be ‘real’ – it is only there as a theoretical, notional counter to hypothetical claims that some people cannot wear masks. In practice, you are expected to wear a mask, and if you don’t, some weak-minded people will genuinely wish to avoid you – not great for a job interview!

I’d say “my circumstances have changed since I wrote the application.”
In other words, I was fine yesterday, but not today!
A decent employer will be aware of The Equality Act 2010.
Ask them! Good luck.

Many with asthma don’t consider themselves to have a disability per se. However.. what kind of job is it? Retail?

No, it’s just a part time cleaning job!

as long as you can maintain social distance you don’t need to wear one anyway.

Maybe comply if the interview requires it and keep one in your pocket when working, in case the muzzle inspector is doing his rounds.

Hopefully this is all academic and won’t be a problem! The interview should be antisocially-distanced anyway and most cleaners work alone, so are automatically distanced.

You don’t have to be disabled in anyway to be exempt. The government guidelines make it quite clear that even “distress” from putting on and/or removing a f/c is sufficient. In fact you don’t have to prove anything to anyone, your reason for not wearing one, if you believe it to be valid. Explain you are entitled to medical privacy. If they refuse to take your application further they could be discriminating against you. Check out the LaworFiction website, as they have some excellent advice. Print out, make or obtain an exemption lanyard if you feel it gives you more confidence (but you don’t have to.) And just start as you mean to go on

But that’s what I’m referring to above. In theory, it’s a legal exemption, but in practice it’s not worth the paper it’s written on.

In theory the government should have carried a medical risk assessment of mask wearing by the general public before “mandating” it with threats of fines, but it didn’t. I wrote to my MP for this information but he couldn’t provide it, saying mask wearing was being implemented because it “may” do some good in the wider community, blah, blah. I know various organisations have asked the government directly, and again NO evidence has been provided. Therefore under Article 2 of the Human Rights Act 1998, which holds up (for the moment) against the gaslighting “rules” the government are voraciously making, they have to have exemptions, should harm come to anyone forced to wear one, which they could follow up with a lawsuit. Anyone can exempt themselves if they believe they have a “reasonable” excuse. The fines are in place for those who refuse outright to wear one, and who hang long enough to be issued with a fine. So, as you say, it’s not worth the paper it’s written on.

The exenptions are there because it’s The Governments way of ensuring they aren’t going to get busted for implementing an illegal medical experiment. They can say masks are “optional”. So avoiding falling foul of human rights law, the Nuremberg convention on medical experiments. They know this. Like people say you don’t need to prove anything to anybody or declare anything. You can just not wear one.

It’s that simple.

Do you really want to work for a bunch of charlies that insist on you wearing a face nappy anyway?

You just say you don’t wear a mask and if they ask why say you have a medical condition .If they continue pressing you say you had something personal happen to you when you were young and it causes you anxiety and you don’t wish to talk about it .

Yes. Thats right. It can also increase anxiety & you can say that you will be anxious about the interview (because you want the job – positive sign for potential employer.) and you find wearing mask makes communication v difficult. Go for trust etc.

It’s illegal for them to ask!

You again? Previous days’ advice no good for you? They can’t ask you. Wear a lanyard.

Why are you being so disrespectful and horrible?
No, maybe the advice wasn’t enough.
Maybe I need more and I need reassurance because I have lost my business and have no income at the moment.
Maybe, Suey, you’d do well to keep schtum instead of inflicting unnecessary hurt with your barbed comments and being an all round awful person needless commenting?

I’ve apologised to you further up – or down, depending on which way you read this.

Labour, Conservative and all the other MPs can simply fck off. I’m not listening get to any of them ever again and nor will I vote for any of them.
12 out or 650 voted to cancel the CV legislation. 12…..

This looks terrific:
https://www.youtube.com/embed/V6G_evJyVQ4

I’m wondering if there’s anyone on this site who could do a translated version with an English translation shown on screen. There is some technical vocabulary so it would require a German speaker with advanced skills.

You can go to settings on the video and then switch on auto-translate, which then gives English subtitles. Not perfect but gives you a reasonable idea of what is being said.

Thanks, I’ll try it and get back to this site with the result if it looks acceptable.

I just tried copy-pasting the subtitle transcript into translate.google.com, but the results were pretty bad.

DeepL (deepl.com) is far better for translations than any Google spyware crap.

Unfortunately that just produces word-for-word translation which often comes across as gibberish. I can follow it only because I know what’s being said in the original, and I think a non-German speaker would really struggle.

German subtitles only!

Hello hat man, I am a native German, watched the video.
She is presenting information which is widely available.
Looks like she is an a level student giving a presentation to the AfD political party.
The AfD is the known as rightwing party which gained a lot of seats in the Bundestag and in local parliaments in the last election and has been questioning the current policies, which is on one hand good, but also gives MSM the angle that opponents (like Querdenken) are politically on the right.

I am aware of what you say, except where you claim the information is widely available. Of course it is not made available to the public via the MSM, who would not cast doubt on the PCR test as she does. That is the point.
Whether she’s talking to the AfD or say the Revolutionary Marxists of Ostfriesland ist mir egal!

“right” or “left” is not really applicable anymore. It is systemic versus anti-systemic. Obviously, Starmer, a criminal based on his Assange role, cannot be considered to really be “left”. The person does appear to be somebody around 20 or so, and is certainly more advanced than an “a level” student, or it would not be posted. The salient fact is that debunking the validity of the testing from a sceptical perspective.

In Hancock’s speech he says: “Many infectious diseases never reach herd immunity, like measles and malaria and Aids and flu”. This show the ignorance of the man, saying malaria is an infectious disease, when it’s a parasite passed from mosquitoes to humans, but as far as I am aware not from human to human. Measles we do have herd immunity due to the vaccine, that’s how vaccines work in a population. AIDS is also not infectious in the sense that the general population can acquire it without specific behaviour patterns.

Hancock has just made the day for all those opposed to 3-in-1 injections for kids. Clearly since there is no herd immunity for measles we don’t need to vaccinate them. Since isn’t that the point of mass vaccination?

Why isn’t anyone calling him out on this idiocy?

What I’m seeing is a complete lack of understanding about science and the scientific method in general. Or theorist arseholes getting their 15 minutes of fame because they can use an exponential function.

And this is the same nation that birthed the Industrial Revolution

There seems to be a complete lack of understanding of how vaccines actually work. Numerous times I’ve seen people arguing that we have to wait for a vaccine because there is no immunity. God knows what they think a vaccine actually is – unicorn tears, presumably.

Obviously, when it comes to the Industrial Revolution, it’s worth noting that this was almost entirely driven by the “middling sort” – the political and aristrocratic elites were largely ignorant of the science then too (with the odd exception) and tended to look down on the “new money.” Hence, successful industrialists building properties like Cragside and Castle Drogo to show they were the equals of the landed gentry.

Interesting. I who loathe “stately homes”, loved Cragside . Not sure it will survive within the newly woke NT.

Quite. Lord Armstrong was an arms dealer!

Also the same nation that faced up to the threat from Hitler – now acquiescing to crazy rules from a shambolic government

Getting rid and burying this government is vital for our health and prosperity and Labour must be permanently out of office

Indeed. For the first time in my life I am considering not attending the Remembrance Day service at my parish church. I cannot in all conscience claim to be remembering those who fought for our freedom when I am surrounded by people willingly giving up their own freedom for no good reason.

Here’s a Hancock worth listening to

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VN8zH366M8

scary thought that music like this may never happen again

To call Matt Hancock a divot would be unfair to divots

If you watch this:
https://unherd.com/2020/10/england-has-always-been-two-nations/?tl_inbound=1&tl_groups

It’s very clear the North of England birthed the Industrial Revoloution.
Unfortunately, we are governed by a completely different country, ie the South of England.

I always thought it was rather odd that the Norman French who bequeathed us the southern English were actually French Vikings, quite different from the English Vikings who gave us the north, or a lot of it. Meanwhile us Saxons just quietly get on with things.

No it started in Coalbrookdale in Shropshire.

And AIDS destroys the immune system. The clue is kind of in the name…

And, given that you can never get rid of the HIV virus, by definition nobody can develop immunity to it. You either have it or you don’t have it. Another completely ridiculous example. Go Hancock!

Actually I should have said HIV not AIDS, as AIDS does not necessarily result from an HIV infection.

That’s true, do you think Handcock knows any of that though?

This came up yesterday. Honestly, I don’t know where the man is getting this crap from – it’s hard to believe that anybody who has any understanding of virology, immunology or general medicine could possibly have given him the sound bite, so I have to assume he’s made it up himself. Which sounds about right, given the level of idiocy it displays.

I’m convinced what’s needed is a more aggressive stance informed by actual science. Hancock and his ilk should not be allowed to get away with spouting this kind of anti-scientific rubbish and having it repeated by a cadre of innumerate, scientifically illiterate political journalists (and fellow ministers and back benchers). His statement is flat out wrong and he’s chosen irrelevant examples to illustrate his “point”.

Oh, and re measles – we had herd immunity a long time before the vaccine was introduced. That’s why it was almost always only caught by and passed between the very young, who hadn’t previously been exposed (and for whom it is the least concerning). Herd immunity isn’t expected to eliminate a virus, just to significantly suppress the spread. The very fact that, pre-vaccine, adult cases were rare is a good demonstration of herd immunity in action. The vaccine acts as a bolt on to try to reduce those adult cases (and severe childhood cases) even further.

To apply the same example to SARS-CoV-2, once we are at a level of herd immunity, you shouldn’t expect nobody to catch it, just that those few who do mostly won’t notice it and the occasional co-morbid patient who suffers badly from it will be indistinguishable from someone suffering similarly from the raft of ILI causing viruses already going around. The numbers will reduce, but they’ll almost certainly never disappear.

If you look at the history of mortality and measles since in England and Wales , there were around a 570 deaths a year in the 40s. But after that it had already reduced to around 90 (1958-67) when the vaccine was introduced in 1968. A lot of reductions pre vaccine were due to better food, healthcare and housing, not vaccines. There seems to be a pattern in data manipulation perhaps?
I don’t want to sit on any anti vaccine platform as everyone has a right to make their own decisions, but I know what decision I will make about a COVID vaccine knowing more of the history of development of them. Anyone interested should check out Dr Judy Mikovits.

Exactly , Engineers , Plumbers and Electricians are one of the reasons for improved health in the last century along with greater numbers being raised out of poverty. Putting this improvement in general health of the people in the western world down to vaccines is palpably false.

Exactly. waterborne diseases are still big killers in developing world.

Ironically it could have been these same improvements that precipitated the polio epidemics. Polio is spread through the orofaecal route. This was endemic but children didn’t necessarily succumb as they developed immunity as they grew up with it. When sanitation improved this community immunity was diminished leaving children open to developing the disease, there was no vaccine and there was an increased need for iron lungs. Mary Berry had polio as did Ian Drury. I was fortunate that the oral Salk vaccine was available for me.

Salk’s alturism quite a contrast to the current lot. Our star batsman at school had a caliper (and a runner in inter-school matches, he did his own running otherwise).

Interesting point! Yes I knew a few people who’d had polio. I had the vaccine, and DTAP and smallpox because that’s pretty much all there was when I was young (missed out on the BCG because I was supposedly immune to TB). IMO there’s a world of difference between a tried and trusted vaccine for a dangerous disease and a lot of the crap they pump into children nowadays. I have to wonder if that many vaccines destroy the immune system and make more vaccines necessary. Just the same scam as high carb low fat diets based on wheat, soy and industrially produced omeha 6 seed oils which make you ill so you need statins, diabetes drugs etc.

I thik you’ll find a lot of nasty diseases, diptheria being an obvious one, were already disappearing pre-vaccine because of the extensive slum clearance and council house building in the 1950s.

Endemic coronoaviruses have seasonal transmission and waning immunity. They reinfect typically in a timescale of 24mo in all but children. I doubt this one will be much different. Lifelong immunity is very very unlikely. We never had her immunity to measles, all we had was a very young age of infection and a very high seroprevalence reflecting that most people had been infected by their teens. About 9/10 people are in the same position for varicella (chickenpox). I personally believe adults who have not had it, should be vaccinated. It kills about 30 adults a year.

Quite!

I spent a large part of my life catching every cold, flu and food poisoning bug going. Then I finally learned to eat properly. In the last fifteen years I haven’t had the flu and only about two colds. Then last december I caught something suspiciously covid-like to which I evidently didn’t have much immunity but I managed to blat it without too many consequences. Hail the all-conquering immune system. Feed it well (and get out in the sun)

Have you heard of the Wim Hof Method? It’s a breathing exercise, I started doing it to increase lung capacity for sports, which it helps with, but it’s also supposed to boost the immune system.

He’s wrong about flu too. The strains that caused lethal pandemics are still around but kill very few people. If an uncontacted tribe ,say in the Amazon were exposed to flu, it would likely kill them because of no herd immunity.

Yes.

I think the reason I’m so irritated by this statement is because – in a strong field – I think it’s the stupidest, most ill-informed statement made by any public figure during this whole sorry episode.

with you there.

God, and look at the competition for that title!

He’s a cretin.
Sadly, so are almost all if those he’s addressing.

He’s an unbelievably arrogant cretin!

I would happily headbutt Hancock and the fatass dope Johnson

Press headlines this morning should have read:
“HANCOCK THINKS MALARIA IS CAUSED BY A VIRUS!”

They had a great opportunity to crucify him.
Maybe next time. (Not holding my breath)

Just as I thought

That made me laugh out loud.

Re Malaria and AIDS – you beat me to it. Also I have known people to get Malaria more than once.

Because it’s a parasite, not a virus.

I can vouch for that as I have had it twice. Take the tabs for 3 days and you are OK.

The parasite is in the red blood cells, and stays there. The symptoms can erupt at any time.

Yes, my father’s from Surabaya (5th Indian Division Signals) came back from time to time throughout his 90 year life.

How the fuck is aids or hiv infectious.

Don’t remember mark Fowler spreading it around Albert square

The sainted Princess Diana could have told you that the general population was at no risk whatsoever, and she was no Mensa member.

it’s infectious if you put the pee pee in the poo poo .

Also if infected blood is transfused into another person, Isaac Asimov was one such person.

or using dirty needles

Well, lockdown would prevent all that, eh?

I would say infection via transfusion and dirty needles is basically inoculation.

Clearly there are factual inaccuracies in his speech. How does one start proceedings for ‘Misleading the Commons’.?

How about trying to get a recall petition going in his constituency?

As some one who used to live in his constituency and now lives in the neighbouring, I say “Good Luck” …..

Parliamentary Standards Commissioner responsible for this sort of thing but not interested in doing any investigations. I tried.

The Speaker of the House might get involved if he said it in Parliament.

Response to Handsy from 2 of the 3 GBDers:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8836185/Matt-Hancock-says-NOT-true-herd-immunity.html

Virus experts savage Matt Hancock for claiming herd immunity is ‘a flawed goal’ and thousands will die without tough restrictions – as they say ‘after eight months it is shocking he does not have a basic understanding’

” as they say ‘after eight months it is shocking he does not have a basic understanding’”

Witty van tam vallance and tge rest are as responible for not schooling him as he is for acceoting a position of responsibility beyond his ken.

But why does he feel qualified to make this unmitigated bullshit up on the spot?

It always used to bother me during Hancock’s half hour that he would refer to clinicians in the NHS as “colleagues”. Maybe this is the answer,, though – maybe he thinks that being Health Secretary is the same as having a medical degree.

Healthtech board member Hancock.
Colleagues is a words used by hateful politicians here. Coukd he be referencing common puropse colleagues. Inclusive bullshit language.

Dr Hancock, why does shit come out of my anus, and shit comes out of your mouth?

Simple – hubris!

He’s definitely an idiot of the highest grade.

But look at the people around him, unfortunately he’s one of the brighter ones.

I think Nadine Dorreys is more clever than Handy Cock

I am not sure which of them is being damned with faint praise in that statement.

My dog is. He doesn’t spout crap from his mouth.

There is no one in this government that is intelligent,they make corbyn and dopey Lammy & Abbot appear intellectual

DM has a great article today (surprised Will missed it) ‘Virus Experts Savage Matt HANDCOCK FOR CLAIMING HERD IMMUNITY IS ‘A FLAWED GOAL’…..

“AIDS is also not infectious in the sense that the general population can acquire it without specific behaviour patterns.”

Which is most likely the reason why test/track/trace is fairly easy when dealing with STDs more generally.

No disease does reach total herd immunity on its own; it just ceases to be an ‘epidemic’. Vaccine doesn’t create total herd immunity either; the only disease that has been fully eradicated is smallpox. I think we’ve pretty much eradicated anthrax in cattle too, but by a policy of mass slaughter, which isn’t exactly appropriate in humans!!
When I was a child, there was no measles vaccine and it broke out occasionally in schools. I had it just after I started which was common; little children who had largely been at home with mothers and grannies and limited social contact were suddenly brought together in one place. Measles is seen as a “childhood illness’ but that was because adults had usually had it as children. Chicken pox, particularly, was seen as a desirable thing to have as a child because it was much more dangerous in adults.
Natural total herd immunity isn’t possible because the herd isn’t static; there will always be new people. But, if a certain level of immunity hadn’t been established to viruses before vaccines were invented, we’d have been wiped out as a species centuries ago.

Was talking about this with an old boy in my village who said as a lad he was made to play with a neighbour’s child who had measles, specifically so he’d catch it young. Imagine that nowadays! His parents would probably be sent to prison.

Indeed. When I had German measles as a child my friend’s mother sent her round to stay and she slept in my bedroom!

Oh yes we had “chickenpox parties” and probably for mumps and measles too when I was young. In my case unneccesary, just going to school gave me all three within a year. Oh God I just had a flashback to the smell of sick and Dettol in the school corridor.

Caroline,
Good summary. Thanks.

Malaria is due to a mosquito injecting the poor recipient with the wretched parasite that takes up residence in the blood cells. It is not an ‘infectious’ disease in the way a respiratory disease is. The mozzie is the carrier. Hancock seriously doesn’t know what he’s talking about. But we knew that.

Towards the end of yesterday’s discussion someone asked where the “vulnerable” stand in relation to Covid. I hope fellow sceptics don’t think me conceited but I thought I might repost my reply:

We are vulnerable as a family: my daughter is having chemotherapy and a blood therapy designed to bleach her B cells plus she is on methotrexate, so all in all she is thoroughly immuno compromised, but we don’t need anyone else to curtail their existence for our safety, thank you very much. It is an absolute doddle to shield/ protect ourselves and we are worried about colds, never mind sars-cov-2.

Good for you Will, best wishes to your daughter and the rest of your brave family.

My parents (and many of their friends) are in their 80s. Rabidly anti-lockdown and think it is totally absurd. With all the “killing Granny” nonsense, we rarely hear Granny’s voice.

As ever, the “elderly” are the forgotten cohort.

Actually they’re not forgotten, they’re the excuse.

Well said! I think the more frightened ones are the 1960s boomer generation. People in their late seventies and beyond are not so bothered because they grew up in the post war era when relative hardship was the norm and you didn’t expect things handed to you on a plate. My mother, in her late seventies, has been completely calm and sang-froid through this whole nonsense, and we have been ‘interpreting’ the rules on visiting etc with a nod and a wink.

I think the more frightened ones are the 1960s boomer generation.

Strangely, I think the more frightened ones are the 80s/90s/00s. About as valid a thought.

My wife and myself will be 72 just before Christmas and we think exactly the same as your mother.

Absolutely. My 89 year old father is vehemently opposed and delights in sending me articles by Peter Hitchens and Richard Littlejohn.

Three loud cheers for him.

Throughout the lockdown when I went for my daily exercise I’d see several eighty years olds and beyond defiantly walking their dogs. Not taken in unlike many younger ones

I don’t see that as conceit – you undoubtedly speak for a great many people who despise what is being done effectively in their name.

My 83 year old parents feel just the same. They just want to enjoy what is left of their remaining active lives and are more than capable of judging their own level of acceptable risk.

The last thing they need is 42-year old Matt Hancock pitching up and destroying their lives on the basis of “saving granny”.

I suspect it’s because Hancock can’t understand that an 83 year old can’t reasonably expect another 30 or 40 years of life as he can.

My dad too. He’s 80, a passionate lefty, believes it’s all totally disproportionate. Speaks to his health visitor about the state of hospitals and reports back to me that they’ve essentially been empty since April. He smells a rat.

Another thing. My cousin is a nurse in Blackpool, she was giving care to a gentleman unrelated to covid, the man was tested for covid, it came out positive. She asked the doctor whether she should self isolate. The doctor replied ‘no, you can go home, it will be fine’

Go figure?

I’ve had poor health all my life and had to try and avoid infections. I am strongly anti lockdown. I wish to make my own decisions. I choose to go to church and see close friends while avoiding crowds and confined spaces. Being shut up in isolation is a living death.

Are you the only ‘vulnerable’ person with that much sense? From the way the Fascist crap merchants tslk, anyone would assume that you are.

Amazingly it’s those who are more vulnerable who create the least fuss. Once again it’s the virtue signallers causing the problems for the rest of us.

Well said. My father-in-law turned 80 this year and still lives up the Democratic People’s Republic of Scotland.

He’s fed up with lockdowns, is fed up that he can’t go to concerts, can’t go to the library to do his research and can’t really go anywhere due to the dire public transport around his area and beyond.

So much for saving the elderly but what’s being done to them is cruel.

I sympathise with your Dad. I still have library books due to be returned at the end of March; we were told to keep them ‘for the time being’.
I really miss my weekly visits to the Library, and the plays and concerts at our two excellent local theatres.

Same here. I also go to concerts and haven’t been to the British Library for months now. I will have to go at some point for work reasons but my pass is expiring and can’t pre-book tickets at the moment.

It’s a very woke virus.
And Gen Y and Z are the most vulnerable to it in that regard.
Which fits in with the general decline of educational standards and the IQ since Boomers and Xers were educated.

I wish the BBC would interview you and put you on the news instead of all the, sorry, bedwetters – can’t help it..

I’m on Methotrexate for RA, so I know what a trial that can be, let alone the other meds your daughter has to take. I too, take full responsibility for my health, and I’m avidly anti-lockdown. When did we all suddenly become so unable to have autonomy over our own bodies that the government feels it has the right to interfere into our lives and our privacy for a virus, in circulation in any other year, would hardly be noticed. Wishing your daughter well with her treatment.

In Wales, the government owns our bodies and can chop them up the instant our breath is out of them.

History repeats itself.
In 1919 the media and her controllers launched a psychological assault on the Australian population pertaining to the imminent appearance of a deadly disease that was headed for our shores, known initially as the pneumonic influenza epidemic.
The public became erratic with the media feeding the fear and the states acted not much better with all borders closed and non-essential travel ground to a halt.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1308428022182109185.html

I post here regularly about brazil, no lock down got loads of stick.
Glad to say they held there nerve deaths continue to fall as do infections I said last month it will be over in brazil by xmas and I’m still saying that will be the case.herd immunity has nearly been reached.

Great news!!!

Yes it it is media were all over brazil a few months ago .nothing said now similar to sweden which is never mentioned. I think if we have another lockdown we must resist

T&T

The Australian Defence Force is trying to give itself unlimited, without time restrictions or sunset clauses, access to call an Emergency and to bring FOREIGN ARMED MILITARY ONTO THE STREETS OF AUSTRALIA.

https://www.facebook.com/AustraliansForAssange/photos/a.123927632382700/365159241592870/

It’s treason simple as

I’m still waiting for a Downfall vid with Boris in the Horseguards Bunker yelling down ‘phones with ever more insane lockdown instructions to Covid Marshal Gaulieters who either aren’t there or know the game is up . . .

Meanwhile hanckrock, witless, unbalanced and the rest of the grizzled gang are hunted down by loyalist Sceptics to face trial.

The SAGE having been listed in order of the famous Pack Of Cards with ferguson as Ace Of Spades.

As others here have noted, there is no opposition. The entire political class are complicit in this disaster, but presumably they think that they will be able to distance themselves from the damage they have caused before the next general election.

I’m hoping there will be an independent candidate in my constituency, because I don’t see how I’m going to be able to vote otherwise…

Yes either independents or the new political parties.

If you are allowed to vote again

The trouble is they think we have no choice – both sides are counting on dumping the blame on the other and assuming no third force can come through between them. We got into a similar situation in 1982, when Labour were still seen as the wreckers of our economy, but the Conservatives seemed to be making it worse – the SDP were polling at over 50% prior to the Falklands conflict. Arguably if the Argentinians hadn’t been trying to bolster their own nationalist base history could have been very different.

Agree. However they are in for a big shock. There will be enough anger and misery for voters to be disillusioned, also enough facts and court cases to use against them.

People like us will stand up as follows:
1) standing as independents or for one of the new political parties
2) vote for any party but Labour or Conservatives – ballot spoiling won’t help

I will do everything in my power to oust my Conservative MP that has failed dismally to protect his constituents. The fight is on!!!!

SDP could be an option. Or UKIP if that’s your bag.

David Kurten looks good. But he needs a party. He’s not going to be joining the SDP anytime soon. It’s all so fragmented.

He’s got a party!

https://www.heritageparty.org/

Oh, interesting. Why didn’t Lawrence Fox join that?

How about a “Heritage-SDP alliance”

Yeah, although not sure if the SDP have particularly traditionalist leanings? So probably not on the level of a merger, but sure, cooperation-wise that would be good. The Personal Freedom Alliance for the win.

My MP, James Daly, has been voting against the measures recently – he was one of 42 last night. Sadly, voting for him (if ever we are allowed to) would mean voting for a party that has destroyed the country

Once the truth comes out, I’m hoping for big political upset to sweep the lot of them out.

Fingers crossed for Simon Dolans injunction hearing tomorrow, though I suspect the courts will have been nobbled

A high court challenge to the government of Spain was nobbled recently. I suspect it will happen here too. Where’s Gina Miller in all this? (joke.)

I really doubt they are worried about the next general election.

Perhaps there won’t be a next general election.

It’s been done before .

SDP I joined in April and don’t regret

I’ve been toying with joining the SDP for some time. However, I will struggle to join any political party unless it has a manifesto pledge to fully investigate and prosecute the perpetrators of the 2020 shit show.

What’s their take on the current lunacy?

I spoiled my ballot paper last time. Not sure how I can escalate that any further!

crap on it

Yes use it to wipe

How about standing yourself?
Sceptics’ party. Crowdfund the deposits. Contest every seat. Make a Coalition for Sanity with the Monster Raving Loonies.

It doesn’t need a party. It doesn’t need an election. Any one of us on here could print some leaflets and distribute them now, stating that we will stand in the next election as an Independent on the platform of being the Anti-Lockdown candidate – that we will campaign to have a full investigation, to have any current colaborator MP put on trial, to compensate those who have unduly suffered by seizing the assets of convicted colaborators – and that should put the fear of God into them!

Side two of the Urgent Action Now leaflet has some information on the Nuremberg Code:
https://www.stopnewnormal.net/downloads
‘Enforcing Covid regulations is an international breach of human rights…’

I managed to download 2 of the leaflets and now in both safari and chrome, when i click download google wants me to make an account?? i would happily print these out and give them to people, but dont want to make a google account!!

“We in the World Health Organisation do not advocate lockdowns as the primary means of control of this virus. The only time we believe a lockdown is justified is to buy you time to reorganise, regroup, rebalance your resources, protect your health workers who are exhausted, but by and large, we’d rather not do it.”

Ha! The only reason why WHO suddenly have this view on lockdowns is because of the class action suit by Dr. Reiner Füllmich and the ACU.

The German COVID-19 Extra-Parliamentary Inquiry Committee – in German – ACU – German acronym for Ausserparlamentarischer Corona Untersuchungsausschuss – (see diagram from http://www.ACU2020.org website) is planning to launch a Class Action Suit against not only governments and government officials, but specifically against the manufacturers of the infamous PCR test (PCR – Polymerase Chain Reaction – is a technique used to “amplify” small segments of DNA) which, according to honest virologists all over the world, is absolutely unsuitable for covid-19 testing. It has actually not even been licensed to carry out such tests.

…..

……

https://www.globalresearch.ca/germany-extra-parliamentary-corona-investigative-commission-launching-class-action-suit-against-corona-criminals/5725633

The Dr Beaker reference is superb.

On the Dorries tweet, how big is this going to be? The Twitter response is only about 99.9% against her

https://www.globalresearch.ca/medical-doctor-warns-bacterial-pneumonias-rise-mask-wearing/5725848?fbclid=IwAR33DldgoPOMIcOAAFxGHMlhWVAwMiW08Nroqr60tmUgNHc_bRBSr11GSsE

“…the fear factor has got to step back. This idea that I don’t want to give you something that I don’t even know that I have is almost at the point of ridiculous. Let’s use some common sense.”

Brought over from yesterday

LS commenter Lilli posted:

Excellent comment in the Telegraph:
Lucilla Rowbury
14 Oct 2020 8:34AM
I applaud any journalist with the integrity and courage to speak the truth. Thank you.
This is about total decimation of the economy so that Klaus Schwab’s great reset or fourth industrial revolution can be implemented. There is mounting evidence of global corruption and crimes against humanity to ensure that this new world order is brought forward.
Here in the UK, Johnson isn’t oblivious to the destruction, he’s not incompetent; Johnson is doing EXACTLY what he has been told to do.
In the coming months Johnson and Hancock will herald in this new world order (Great Reset posters already up in parts of the UK) and the gullible amongst us will think how wonderful that something good has come out of this crisis. But the more informed amongst us will realise that the virus has been used as trojan horse to accelerate the plans of one of the most ethically repugnant psychopaths on this planet.
The measures taken by our government (most governments) were never about health: it has always been about control.
Say goodbye to life as you knew it.
Say hello to totalitarianism, global government, digital currency, AI, endless vaccines, and, ultimately, depopulation.

From yesterday also. This is really important to see the globalists intention of a reshaped population is coming at us with UK Government collusion.

The Fourth Industrial Revolution’
The 2017 Matt Handcock speech you didn’t know about. On the UKGov website.

https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/the-4th-industrial-revolution

“…And I’m delighted to speak alongside so many impressive colleagues who really understand this, and alongside Professor Klaus Schwab who literally ‘wrote the book’ on the 4th Industrial Revolution. Your work, bringing together as you do all the best minds on the planet, has informed what we are doing, and I’m delighted to work with you. …”

TT added this link to the Healthtech board of which Hancock is mouth piece. Relevant to who has been developing the implentstion of the 4th Industrial revolution. Notice it is Health which has been deliberately chosen to force this onto populations, notice too the SARS-CoV-2 carry on is a supposed health emergency.

https://tech.newstatesman.com/public-sector/healthtech-advisory-board

Also Devi Sridhar is on the World Economic Forum Council on the Health Industry. This could explain Führerin Krankie’s approach.

It doesn’t matter whether Biden wins in November or not, the UK political class will not change course and the only thing you can do is to disobey restrictions.

It’s also highly likely that Boris will try to advertise this ‘circuit-breaker’ as a thing the public has to do to ‘Save Christmas’

If you can’t tell, I am very blackpilled at the moment.

Saaame.

Toby / Will

Please can we have a new rule that all pictures of the right honourable Mr Matt Hancock MP are blurred out.

My mental state is precarious enough without having to see his shit-eating grin every day.

Kind regards

Mabel

I agree. Or install a wordpress plug-in that allows for scrawled defacing of pictures.

Oooooh yeeeees.

We need to launch a campaign:
Country goes into full national lockdown > all ministers, MPs, elected representatives to donate their full salaries for each day of lockdown to a fund supporting those left without jobs or businesses
Local lockdowns > same but for local MPs/representatives
Pub and restaurant closures > hospitality sector to estimate % of losses with respect to a normal year, MPs donate the same % from their salary
Then at least they’d had an incentive to keep lockdowns short.

But this will be the 3rd holiday we have missed now this year. I know it sounds like such a 1st world problem doesn’t it, but we have nothing else to look forward to. Just a week Dorset and the others were a week in mid-Wales and a trip to a mobile home in France – we’re not talking Barbados or anything flash. Just some quality respite. We arent allowed to have 1 minutes peace are we.

Quite understand. I was supposed to have a month walking across Spain in May, a week volunterring in Spain in August, visiting a friend in Spain in Sept…
So far, we’ve managed a 3 night break in the Lakes in brilliant weather in July, which my 96 year old mother trashed by having a heart attack.
I desperately need a break too.

You want a change? Try a week in Liverpool.

You know things are moving in a bad direction if people in 1st world countries stop having 1st world problems and start having 3rd world problems.

Poor you! People have lost their jobs and livelihoods but you need a holiday.

Hancock WEF speeches, meeting Gill Gates and vision for the NHS.

https://www.facebook.com/CaanageMedia/photos/a.111211127418040/118450803360739/

Dr Tedros seems to have problems forming his sentences properly

“Herd immunity is achieved by protecting people from a virus, not by exposing them to it,” he said.

What he meant was “Herd immunity is achieved by exposing people to a virus, not by protecting them from it” – What exactly does a vaccine do if it doesn’t expose you to the virus, that is how it works.

“Never in the history of public health has herd immunity been used as a strategy for responding to an outbreak, let alone a pandemic,” he also said .

What he meant was “Never in history has herd immunity NOT been used as a strategy for responding to an outbreak, let alone a pandemic,”

Never in history have lockdowns been used as a strategy either…

Where did the lockdown concept come from?
An Americans 16 year olds science project. This was then developed by her scientist father into a paper, her name appears in the paper.

Open to learning more about the origin. My answer above is what I know, I have seen the paper. However, it may not be true that this was the origin. I would like to be informed if anyone can add to this.

AOC perhaps?

Try telling that to the Swedes, Professor.

Be careful here. The rise in infections in Sweden is not that different to what was happening in the rest of Europe about 6 weeks ago. A steady increase – but very few hospitalisations. Then, as the infection spread further, we got a slight uptick in hospital cases which has now become a steady trickle.

Sweden might get away with it but they have tended to be a few weeks behind the likes of France, Spain, Italy & the UK.

Indeed. I think the evidence is very sketchy to say ‘because Sweden didn’t lock down, that’s why Covid is so low there’. There’s a lot unexplained about this virus.

I wondered if countries are recording things differently depending on their agendas, to be honest. If this situation has shown one thing, it’s that you can torture data to get it to show whatever you want, basically. Objective truth is a slippery concept.

It’s not about the amount of infections or deaths. It’s how it compares to flu season where you don’t take measures.

it’s the measures not the disease

The Swedes never said they could suppress covid, they realised it needed to be lived with sustainably over a long period, and that is what they are doing.

Regarding the data, I agree that it is hard to make comparisons. All you can really do is look at all-cause mortality as a % of population and compare with previous years in that country. To my knowledge, in every country in the world, that figure is not in any way unprecedented and is often very average. Everything else is just noise.

There is so much truth to what you say.

How many people in Britain would know anything about any epidemic if it simply wasn’t talked about and any “covid” deaths were simply put down to respiratory disease.

If it wasn’t for the constant bombardment from the news, people would be completely oblivious to anything strange going on.

I think 24 hour news and social media is part of it. An alternative virtual reality has been created in which millions of otherwise healthy people are dropping dead from Covid, and the addicted public mostly lack the critical faculties to see through it.

Because the only thing strange going on is the mockdown measures!

Yes and the lockdowns stop you going out into the real world and meeting all the people who haven’t died or know anyone who did.

Most people I talk to have no recollection of the bad flu season of 2017/8 when excess winter deaths in this country exceeded 50,000. It simply wasn’t newsworthy and so the general public remained oblivious. As did I, incidentally.

There was much scratching of heads earlier this year because no-one could understand why Gemany had such a relatively low death rate (approx 9,000 at that time in a population of 83 million) The difference was that the Germans were recording only those deaths directly attributable to Covid. Here and elsewhere in Europe, as we all know, Covid was added to many more death certificates as the cause of death than should have been the case.
German statistics provide us with a much more accurate representation of the level of mortal danger i.e not very much for most people. Even Sweden’s figures are inflated (albeit inadvertantly) by the fact that they also made the tragic error of shifting the sick elderly into care homes to create more space in the hospitals. This accounts for about half of their 5,900 deaths.

Sweden might get away with it? They’ve gotten away with it since May. It is quite clearly a successful strategy. If they’d got it wrong it would have been obvious in Summer and certainly now, there wouldn’t even have been an argument about it. The dead bodies would be piled on the streets with condemnation to follow. Still waiting…still waiting…still waiting…

The Swedes said you could only give final judgement after a year or more. So far on any reasonable measure they are doing way better than the UK.

So what if there is a steady increase in hospitalisations (I mean genuine ones – people with actual covid)? Sad for those affected, but normal. People get ill. Trying to abolish one illness at the cost of all other illnesses and normal life is futile, damaging and insisting on doing so when you know it won’t work is evil.

The virus is un-stoppable. It is mainly spread by airborne transmission and being near 1m of any infected also with facemasks risks being infected. All nations (incl Sweden) deviated from earlier practice in flu pandemics plan (all adhered to in 2019) that SD measures should have disappeared after the peak i.e May, June. Sweden despite not having lockdown still had SD which was adhered to in the beginning. Never in the world history have we had SD 6 months after the first wave. It is preposterous to think that you can adhere to SD for such long times. This can be done for a very short time period. Spain is a good example that facemasks are total useless as the natural state of humans is to mingle, even more so using facemasks as a talisman.
We all hoped that the C-19 would disappear after the first wave like Sars but unfortunately it is now a seasonal virus. Now we have the colder weather with a true second wave in all European countries. Sweden has now double hospitalizations and double ICU use compared to the nadir a month ago. But they have a bigger chance to have a lesser wave than other hard lockdown countries. There will be the day of reckoning for all European countries and worst for the ones with the hardest lockdown.
Spain is probably the country with biggest chance of reaching herd immunity this time in Europe as the pandemic is now slowing down there.

I agree with this but I would stick to ‘seasonal’ rather than ‘2nd wave’. That term has become part of the fear-porn. Will next year’s seasonal viruses be the ‘third wave’ etc. This is what the globalist psychos seem to want to brainwash us with.

It beats me why people can’t see that in October, in the northern hemisphere, you will get an increase in respiratory viruses which will continue until the end of winter. Sadly some of these people will die. It happens every year. MW

Yes. Seasonal. And we have created a monster with track and trace, health passporting, social circles and occasions destroyed, health systems at capacity for years to come, unemployment crisis, societal relationships toxified even more, break up of the UK accelerated. The list is endless. All in 8 months.

It doesn’t matter whether Biden wins in November or not, the UK political class will not change course and the only thing you can do is to disobey restrictions.

It’s also highly likely that Boris will try to advertise this ‘circuit-breaker’ as a thing the public has to do to ‘Save Christmas’

If you can’t tell, I am very pessimistic at the moment.

Same here. How will they ever turn this around or admit they are and were wrong?!

If the Fuhrer does what Starmer is saying he should do then he will look feeble, pathetic and clueless.

Mind you, he doesn’t seem to mind that too much given his track record this year, so can’t rule it out.

Feeble, pathetic and clueless.
An improvement.

Even Hitler knew what day it was unlike Johnson

If Biden wins America deserves all it gets and I hold no particular admiration for Trump either

Boris and Starmer sitting in a tree.
With Klaus and Gates and Prince Charley.

Michael Yeadon

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1309793649069260806.html

Yesterday, 2 strikingly similar events tells us the oppressive police state closes in. My sister is visiting her daughter in Lincoln & loves looking after her granddaughter. Daughter & husband go out for a drink as a couple (they’re fit & well, late-20s). No pub would let them… read on via link

That is a must-read

The gaslighting is beyond insane now. No such thing as herd immunity? I thought that was the basic premise of vaccines. WHO stating lockdowns don’t work and only serve to increase poverty. What in the actual fu*k are they trying to do to us here. Obviously there is a massive transfer of wealth that has taken place and is continuing to take place but this shit is just going to keep on coming, especially while BEDWETTING retards take the bait. I literally want to rip my own fu*king head off and be done with this but that would give these power hungry scumbags what they want. Can we please, somehow, band together, rush parliament/downing street by the thousands, grab the psychopaths and string the fu*kers up on the nearest lamp posts. For fu*k sake.

Dipped into google for you, the sacrifices we make…

Top result :
Herd immunity is a form of indirect protection from infectious disease that occurs when a sufficient percentage of a population has become immune to an infection, whether through vaccination or previous infections, thereby reducing the likelihood of infection for individuals who lack immunity. Wikipedia

Next result:
Coronavirus: WHO head calls herd immunity approach ‘immoral’ BBC

I’d print that off I were you basics. They’ll come for it and tweak the meaning.

It really is gaslighting. Very abusive.

Amazing how effective it is on some people. And those it is most effective on seem to be similar in nature.

Things are likely to change, and very soon. When furlough ends we could see upward of 6 million people unemployed, many with minimum or even no benefits.

When people have something to lose they won’t take risks, they won’t rebel, they wont protest.

When people have nothing to lose eveything changes for them! If you have no money at all, what difference does a £10,000 fine make to you? You can’t pay it!

Very few people have felt financial hardship up to this point, furlough has protected them from that. In two weeks time that will all change.

As a side point legally, how can the government pay 2/3 of the minumum wage?

There’s an excellent graphic here that shows the economic Armageddon that we’re heading to:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8836699/Britain-not-sacrificed-altar-fighting-Covid-19-writes-Professor-ROBERT-DINGWALL.html

Won’t be surprised that when furlough finally ends, rioting will begin.

Another reason to rid ourselves of Johnson and his inept privileged entitled knob ridden crew

Proof Labour is as inept authoritarian and unfit as much as the cons and libs are for public office get rid of the LibLabConSNP now https://www.sdp.org.uk

Listened to Toby Young’s and James Delingpole podcast today. Very much enjoyed it. Loved hearing Toby rant on 28 Sept episode. He let rip about the student union and their inability to support the students in prison. Very good listen. I recommend it.

Good luck and postive thoughts to Simon Dolan and team tomorrow.

With this speech by Starmer, SAGE have clearly made this a political argument and have obviously key members have been in discussion with and backed Starmer to push their agenda. Doris needs to snuff this out immediately or it is obvious that everyone in Westminster represents two cheeks of the same ars3. Good cop, bad cop routine – cross party can you beleive thaat.

Morning , another depressing day and things are going from bad to worse. Like I said a couple of days ago, I don’t read the articles anymore, I’m depressed enough without them. I sometimes feel like we are just like ants, screaming at a tsunami to turn back. It doesn’t matter any more, the whole political scene is in lockstep with this.The only difference is they try to outdo each other on who can impose more tyrannical living conditions. Nothing matters, no science is allowed but THEIR science. They are now saying that herd immunity (something that has been in the medical books for more than a century is a myth!!). It doesn’t matter if every single doctor in the UK tomorrow comes on television and says this is all bollocks..It will not change one opinion ,one policy, it will change nothing .And all this talk about how they will pay at the next election , blah,nblah,blah…No they wont! Nobody will pay, fucking Hanckok is going to get a knighthood for this !! We are all deludiding ourselfs if we think we can convince anybody. Fuck them! My best friend yesterday told me with a serious face that the The Great Barrington Declaration is fake scinece and a conspiracy theroy..He has 2 degrees from Oxbidge ;-( I give up, I can’t do this anymore, hey have won..I will never take a vaccine or wear a mask but that does not matter because everybody else will be queueing for days to get it..They killed the economy, sports, arts, theater, music, pubs…What else is there left of what once was a great country? Nothing but sheeple and us, the small minority screaming that the emperor has no clothes while waiting for Covid Marshals in black to kick our doors down and check our thinking. 2 years in Afghanistan, IED’s , snipe, mortars, Taliban , militias, friendly fire., landmines, poisoned water, ambushes…none of that could kill me but this surely will. I’m loosing the will to live..

Things are indeed pretty terrible, but the tide is turning, albeit very slowly. Don’t let them win.

Chin up, mate. We wouldn’t have defeated Hitler with that attitude. Despite everything that is going on right now, this is far from our darkest hour.

Sorry to hear all this and I do sympathise. Rene’s comment was quite heartfelt I thought. Here’s an idea.
Unless your MP is one of the virtuous ones (unlikely, only about 10% are), remove their wreath from the war memorial (if they have the nerve to put there), tear it up and leave it at the local constituency office with a sharp and bitter comment from an ex-soldier. I presume you are an ex-soldier?
Then put your own wreath there in its place. You are REALLY entitled to do so.

No, it’ll turn round. The will to be free is greater than the will to control other people, as Dr Vernon Coleman says.

If anyone from Sky is looking in, especially Ashish Joshi, regarding the report last night from Warrington hospital ICU.

How staged was your report?

The lady giving an interview from her bed, who had been in hospital since last Wednesday had remarkably fresh nail varnish.

The man who admitted he was overweight and diabetic, but that he felt safe to be where he was – last time I assume, because he was talking so ‘normally’ albeit wearing an oxygen mask, he would have been told to stay at home.

The old man who appeared twice in the report in two different situations. First shown in a chair fumbling with his belongings but with a tube in his nose. Second time, in a bed, looking into the camera in a full face mask, a bit like one of the child actors in a charity video.

Umh..

Did not view myself. Were they wearing shoes in bed as ICU patients were seen to be in NYC hospital during Spring, tv reports showed.

Good to remember an American network aired footage from Italy as a New York hospital in Spring too.

Fakery abounds, odd in this day and age in 21st century Great Britain. BBC Panorama Saving Syriah’s Children (not available on iplayer) has been forensically analysed if anyone wants to learn how to look for staging clues.
https://bbcpanoramasavingsyriaschildren.wordpress.com/2020/08/13/saving-syrias-children-notes-for-editors-2/

https://www.ukcolumn.org/insight-saving-syrias-children-worst-case-fake-news

Don’t forget the health care worker from Kuwait saying she watched as Iraqi soldiers took newborns out of their incubators and left them on the floor. Thus ramping up the hatred towards Iraq following the invasion of Kuwait. Except she was the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador and was following a script.

I’ve stopped watching TV and don’t read any of the main papers. Just can’t do it.

It’s as if my entire life I’ve been happily drinking water from the tap at home, then one day I’ve had a look inside the water tank and found half a dozen dead rats floating in it. After that, I just wouldn’t be able bring myself to drink the water from the tap again. It would make me retch.

That’s how I feel about the BBC, Sky, The Times, The Guardian, the NYT, Bloomberg, the Economist, the whole bloody lot. All of it self serving and reeking of self-importance.

Posting this again as I think it gives a true idea of what the ‘tests’ are all about.
At £10 test( a very, very conservative estimate after all costs deducted) x 215,000 a day right now ramping up to say 500,000 a day, do you think Serco have vested interest in ensuring that more positive test are turned in every day as this will result in a demand for more testing? Or should they tell the truth and put the real figure out. The same for Hancock agreeing to handing over every persons details from the NHS to these felons so they can message us to download the APP( I am sure Deloitte and all the rest of the cartel cannot belIeve he agreed to that, how about GDPR Mr Hancock, I dont need a f@ kin txt from Delottie to ask me to download the APP.). Thats the real level of the simpletons governing us, totally in the pocket of big business and they are so thick they cant see this.

More likely they do see it, very clearly, and are hansomely rewarded for aiding and abetting these measures.

All (or most anyway) the evidence in one handy article:

https://jchristoff.com/government-and-media-proven-to-be-lying-to-public-about-covid-pandemic/

Reposting this from yesterday, as an antidote to the continuing madness of the headless chickens leading us.

Jason Lenney, Premier of Alberta , Canada has announced the Government of Alberta’s policy is:

We’re not going to enforce our way out of COVID. Alberta’s approach is to focus on the broader health of society – physical, mental, social, and economic – by encouraging personal responsibility, rather than micro-managing people’s lives.

https://mobile.twitter.com/jkenney/status/1316030172148064261

Worth watching the short video/

https://www.newchartistmovement.org.uk

Guardian.
“Covid-19 may cause sudden and permanent hearing loss, experts have found, adding that such problems need early detection and urgent treatment.

“The coronavirus has been found to affect the body in myriad ways, from a loss of taste and smell to organ damage.

“Now doctors have reported fresh evidence that Covid could also affect hearing.”

Is it me or is that written with the styke of a local rag? Anyway, the subline says ‘Study team says Covid-19 patients in intensive care should be asked about hearing loss’.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/13/covid-may-cause-sudden-permanent-hearing-loss-uk-study

Pardon?

I SAID….oh never mind!

Gotta laugh……..

But so does flu! Loss of smell, loss of taste, loss of hearing. And in some cases these losses are permanent. Doctors should know this!!

Maybe that’s why Johnson can’t hear all the people shouting “INFECTIONS DO NOT EQUAL CASES!!!!!!” and “CANCER MATTERS!!!!!”

Just to point out that if this were true (and it is, I suspect as true as the notion that Cv forces you to get on a crowded train) then face masks don’t help. Many of those with minor hearing loss (like myself) rely to some extent on face and lip reading. Masks make that impossible

I also really struggle hearing people from behind their face nappies.

Masks have a big impact on commincation for those with good hearing. I can imagine this situation being inexpressably frustrating for anyone relying on lip reading.

Masks to some are the sight of slience.

I’ve good hearing but couldn’t make out a word a masked young fellow at church was saying. Turned out he was offering me a mask. I politely declined.

I don’t have any problems with my hearing but even I struggle to hear and understand people wearing muzzles.

Maybe people THINK their hearing gets worse as people speak at their normal volume and the face covering makes it hard to understand them.
I worked in a cafe and so often had to ask people to speak up so I could take their order correctly.

Saw that earlier. Panic, panic, panic….! So does the common cold. I’ve had reduced hearing in my left ear for over ten years following a bad cold. Had grommets fitted 3 times. The list of covid symptoms grows longer by the day.

Surely it would be shorter to list the symptoms covid doesn’t cause

Sorry, can’t hear you with that mask on.

FT’s Alphaville has a very interesting article today arguing that there is natural tendency for people to control the spread of viruses by altering their behaviour to limit the perceived risks to themselves as individuals,

The article quotes the following blog which makes a similar point with plenty of detailed evidence to support it

Reproduction numbers tend to 1 and the reason could be behavioural | VOX, CEPR Policy Portal

It goes without saying that we all individuals adjust our behaviour to provide what we see as the best outcome in any situation. Epidemics are no different. In their case, however, instead of maximising our profits we make the effort to minimise our losses.

The Vox article also makes the point, at the very end, that lockdowns are probably counterproductive. They lull people into reducing the amount of effort the put into individually avoiding the diseases by encouraging them to think the Government is forcing others to do it for them.

It’s the reverse of moral hazard.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VEhJDmef6U4

Anybody seen this dude?

Birmingham C-19 Walk-through Testing Site .

Piers Corbyn on setting up anti lockdown groups #OurMovement Action Groups

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3hC7nEp-v4

Email from my dad yesterday. Three nurses at my nan’s care home testing positive for the Rona. Obviously a bit concerned in case my vulnerable 96 year old grandmother gets it, but goes to show that lockdown has completely failed in its goal to protect the vulnerable, while simultaneously trashing everyone’s lives. Anyway, further email today saying that one of the nurses testing positive has now tested negative. THE TEST IS SHIT!

…and of course if they’d been knocked down by a bus before that second test they’d now be a Covid death in the figures.

They probably still would be as I doubt the negative test will erase the positive one in the statistics.

Yes, but this is also deliberate, I’m afraid. They know that the high “case” numbers among students aren’t going to translate into anything useful, so they’re working as hard as they can to get it back into care homes.

I was told there was a “case” in a local care home. She didn’t have any symptoms and no-one else caught it. I suspect there’s a lot of that around. These PCRs go to 11

Johnson’s response to Keir Starmer should be.
‘OK, we’ll have a short lockdown. And, as advised by the WHO, we will use it constructively. We will call in a highly experienced and successful private sector CEO to do a quick and dirty review of the NHS to establish why it ‘isn’t coping’. They will be told to look particularly at how many staff are off sick or laid off and why, the role of the unions, the influence of BLM, whether time is being wasted on ‘gender’ and other such nonsense, restrictive practices and why so many people catch Covid in hospital. They will also look at why treatment for other conditions is apparently not taking place. At the end of the two or three weeks, they will report to me and their findings will be implemented. If there is more efficiency as a result, they will be asked to do a fundamental, root and branch review of NHS management and systems once this is all over.‘
That’s what Margaret Thatcher would have done! Johnson doesn’t have the ability or the balls!

Johnson’s response should be the same as Blackadder granting Baldrick a short holiday.

“Very well, Starmer, have a short lockdown. [Pause.] Did you enjoy it?”

Starmer and Johnson are 2 sides of the globalist coin.This is all theatre.At the moment Boris can pose as the defender of liberty while instituting a 3 tier lockdown system from which there is no escape.
I think in a week or a bit more Johnson will ‘cave in’ to the fake pressure and put us into lockdown which has been planned for a few months.
This is not about a virus

We could save a lot of wasted time and wrangling on here if people would stop believing the politicians’ puppet-show and allow the truth in. It is not a happy process; I know because I’ve had to go through it myself.

Parliamentary ‘democracy’ is an illusion; there is no saviour waiting in the wings. The party leaders, the Cabinet, SAGE etc are all signed up, on the same side and are parroting their lines. What appears to be disagreement is a Punch and Judy show to distract us while the lockdowns continue to break our spirit and trash everything we know.

If we don’t grasp that this is about nearly every world leader implementing the WEF agenda, we’re sunk. If you don’t believe this, compare the language on the WEF website with the content of Johnson’s conference speech Other people have dug out some of Hancock’s old speeches. It’s the same stuff: 4th industrial revolution, T&T, mass surveillance, vaccines, ‘new normal’, everything that’s been there to see (if we cared to) for decades and which escalated so starkly in March under the cover of ‘Covid’. I admit I didn’t really start to get it until towards the end of the first 3 weeks and I feel embarrassed I didn’t see it coming.

We saw a ‘Build back Better’ (notice the 3 word formula) beautifully crayoned on a bridge in Keynsham back in early September and a chill went up our spines. People just don’t/won’t get what’s going on and we fear that many don’t want to.

All of us who do get it have no choice but to resist but we will need clear heads. MW

It is utterly maddening that so many remain resolutely ignorant – or in denial – of those facts. I call them “Coincidence Credulists.”

A lot of people on LS still believe in the party system. People seem to think that the SDP or UKIP could save the day. I do not think this can happen. Meanwhile, I note that the Netherlands is now toeing the line:

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/10/the-netherlands-goes-into-partial-lockdown-face-masks-will-be-compulsory/ MW

The machine cannot be stopped.

There has got to be some way out?

What must we do? How can we possibly resist this global tyranny?

All I can advise is to refuse to comply with any of it as best you can and keep telling people the truth about what is going on. This requires getting out and about. Forget social media; it is the reliance on smartphones that has helped to get people hypnotised by fear.

I can not pretend to you that what we face is easy but all I can say is, more people do seem to be doubting the official narrative now. Let’s hope this is enough to stop the process, at least this time. For some good rational scientific discussion to pass on, I recommend this video from Ivor Cummins in conversation with Dr Sebastian Rushworth, an ICU doctor from Sweden. It only tangentially hints at a global agenda but should not ‘frighten the horses’.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6IeN6sgJ3g MW

Excellent advice.

I do wish people would stop calling them ”cases”. They’re NOT. Dr Lee in the Telegraph set out quite clearly the difference between ”cases” and ”positive tests”:
”….What is a “case” of Covid? Let’s say you developed a viral cold last winter. Were you a “case” of a viral respiratory infection? On a theoretical level the answer must be yes. But on a practical, real-world level, the answer is no: you went to work and carried on with life. You were invisible to the authorities. Let’s say it got a bit worse and you saw your GP. Still no. You decided to take a couple of days off. Still no – you might show up in sick leave statistics, but not as a case of respiratory infection. If you got so far as being admitted to hospital with serious illness, you would show up as a “case” – a tiny proportion of those who actually had the illness.
”The contrast with today is clear. Covid was made a notifiable disease in February, obliging all “cases” to be reported to the authorities. Since the only way to identify Covid is with a lab test, positive tests have been equated with positive “cases”. Back then, it was claimed there were no asymptomatic cases, but we now know that 90 per cent or more of people have Covid asymptomatically. A positive test is clearly not a positive “case”…. .

They’re all deliberately misusing these words and ignoring anyone who corrects them. The confusion between “case” and “infection” was made abundantly clear months ago but they just don’t take any notice. I’ve given up thinking they might be this stupid. It’s malevolent.

Do they really want to destroy everything precious that gives life meaning simply for money and power??Surely the elites already have huge amounts of money and power… I can see what is happening and what they are trying to do, but I do not understand why? Whatis the motive? What do they gain? They have everything already…

Given the apparent idiocy (or malevolence) of Nadine Dorries, Matt Hancock and the others, maybe we should try a different approach. Maybe we should pick an MP, minister or whatever, and do a mass emailing on a particular day. We might have to have a group operation, perhaps under the name of something like “They work for Pharma.”

Idiocy and malevolence seem to be symptoms of ‘Long Covid’.

N Ireland executive announcing new measures live now.

The mainland always follows N.I.

Making me ashamed of where I’m from. You would think actual measurements and calibration of tests would go on, since Ulster is known for its pedantry and stubborness.

But then we did have Eric Smyth as mayor.

This is how it should be done.
https://www.transcend.org/tms/2020/10/nicaragua-the-country-that-didnt-swallow-the-covid-blue-pill/

Dr Matt Strauss
A medic’s case against another lockdown
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/a-medic-s-case-against-another-lockdown

‘Do no harm’ are three words all doctors must follow in the course of their work. These words make me convinced that Covid-19 lockdowns are the wrong approach, and a growing number of doctors are on my side.

Medical students throughout the West are taught the principles of beneficence and non-maleficence as pillars of medical ethics. In simple terms, they dictate that the likely benefits of our treatments ought to substantially outweigh their potential risks.

In my practice, I prescribe medications like atorvastatin to lower cholesterol, or warfarin to thin the blood, because international, randomised, double-blind control trials have proven that their benefits far outweigh their risks. If I were to prescribe thalidomide (which causes birth defects) for morning sickness, or phen-phen (which causes heart problems) for weight loss, that would be unethical malpractice; their risks outweigh their benefits. Generally, prescriptions for such medications are not allowed because regulatory bodies like the Food and Drug Administration in the US or the MHRA in the UK take them off the market once their disproportionate risks become clear.

If lockdowns were a prescription drug for Covid-19 treatment, the FDA would never have approved it. The seminal Imperial College London paper and other mathematical models like it were used to justify their use, but clinicians would never prescribe a drug or propose a surgery based on such modelling. The now well-publicised failure of these models to accurately predict Covid-19 outcomes proves the rule.

Luckily, we no longer have to talk about mathematical models. We now have seven months of real-world data to look at. Some pundits compare Sweden to Norway to argue for lockdown. Others compare Sweden to the UK, or Florida to New York to argue against. Either sort is vulnerable to accusations of cherry-picking the data. In medical science, we rely on epidemiologists to take all the available data from all the countries and perform statistical analyses to correct for as many different variables as possible.

This has now been done for lockdowns. In August, the Lancet published an analysis of data from 50 countries. The researchers found that full lockdowns were ‘not associated’ with decreased mortality from Covid-19. These are hard outcome data; reality cannot be waved away with theories or projections.

So much for the purported benefits. What about the risks? We cannot answer this question fully because a worldwide lockdown experiment has never been run before. However, evidence for the harms of lockdown is now piling up. In the US, homicides are up 50 per cent compared to last summer. In France, domestic violence calls are up 30 per cent. In Canada, almost three times more people are contemplating suicide compared to last year; and in British Columbia, overdose deaths have tripled from pre-pandemic levels. When you deprive children of their education, adults of their livelihood, and elderly people of their social connections, desperation and despair quickly set in. While a thoughtful person might have predicted this, the mathematical models did not.

All of these numbers fit with what I see in my clinical practice. I have personally admitted dozens of elderly people to hospital with illness resulting from social isolation and neglect. Some were literally starving to death. One patient, in her eighties, lived in a retirement community but relied on family members to feed her meals. When they were socially distanced (banned) from the premises, she couldn’t feed herself and her health quickly deteriorated. Another patient, a 92-year-old woman, simply gave up on life and started refusing her meals once her family stopped coming to visit. Both these scenes were catastrophically inhumane and will stick with me for a long time. Neither is captured in the government’s Covid-19 statistics.

So if a physician were to prescribe a lockdown to a savvy patient who asked about the risks, the physician would have to disclose that depression, suicide, homicide, overdose, wife-beating, and starvation are potential side effects. Rare is the patient who would agree to take such a pill, which brings me to the other pillar of medical ethics: autonomy. Physicians do not force treatment on competent, non-consenting patients. When we discuss treatments with patients, we strive to ground those discussions in the patient’s values and not our own.

I am a life-support specialist. At this point in my career, hundreds of elderly patients have instructed me not to put them on life support. Many have told me they are comfortable with their mortality and that if not much time is left to them, they would rather spend it eating ice cream or listening to music with their family, not hooked up to my machines. It is not for me or the SAGE group to tell such a person what they ought to decide. These are questions of values, not medical science, and values are personal.

It would be deeply unethical for me to put such a patient on a ventilator against their wishes. It would likewise be deeply unethical for the SAGE group to commit such a person to social isolation. I know that reasonable, educated people can decline to consent to further lockdowns because I, for myself, do not consent to further lockdowns.

This reminds me of the Charlie Guard case where the parents initially wanted to take the child to the US for treatment, then just to the house. At each stage the medical establishment were against it and got the courts involved.

At no point was the fact that at that stage medical advice was no more use than the parents’ own thoughts. At no point was it made apparent that “Do No Harm” is not the sole edict of medicine. You can do social harm which they did by preventing the parent’s have final say when all medical attempts had failed.

So it’s no surprise that the primacy of medicine is strong in this country. Or that most of these medical specialists have no fucking clue about actual science and measurement. They do not ever seem to ask “How was that measured?” before using it to drive guidelines.

Which if all the engineers took this approach you’d be dead in so many ways from the things your take for granted.

Simple really isn’t it when you put it like that? At the moment though the quality of human life seems to be irrelevant, it’s all about the statistics.

Absolutely. My grandfather, a stoic old countryman, died in the mid 80s at the age of 82. We don’t know what he died of, although his weight loss and obvious pain indicated cancer of some kind; his attitude was, ‘When your number’s up’, and he refused doctors and dreaded hospitals. On his last day, the ambulance came to take him to hospital, but was turned away on arrival because he was dead. He was determined not to be ‘messed about with’ and to die in his own bed, and that is what happened.
Many would criticise us for not insisting that he had medical treatment but he was determined to do it his way and I am proud that he did. That attitude is still there in the older generation, particularly in country people, and they should be listened to.

Good for him.

This is what my wife and I plan as well.

Yup. I have reason to believe I’m not going to live much longer and to be honest it’s a fucking relief.

If he HAD gone to hospital what would they have done? Euthenised him by starvation and called it the Liverpool Care Pathway?

Are some more people managing to join up the dots yet? I keep on asking myself, why do they want to keep on testing, testing, testing? And give people an incentive to having the test by paying them? To get the numbers up, sure. But why do they want to get the numbers up when these positives aren’t actually ‘ill’? To lock us up. But why? To cover up their incompetence? Really? By demonstrating more incompetence? And then you look at one of the most draconian lock downs on the planet, with virtually no virus at all, but the alleged reason for the lockdown and maybe you begin to ask yourself ‘surely something’s not right here? But I’ve always been reluctant to be associated with those conspiracy theorists. But then again….’ https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=share&v=R8OMTkmyKEA&app=desktop

Thje great reset isn’t a conspiracy. Boris and Biden and Big Teeth in NZ and the Imran Khan guy and other wankers all use the WEF slogan build back better. All talk of bicycles and windfarms and digital ID in the wake of covid. The great reset has been mentioned more than once by Boris, Charles.. and been in more than one mainstream media source. You could have linked to a more mainstream one e.g. Sky News Australia, Spectator Australia, Spiked, The Guardian, The Telegraph, Delingpole… Boris’ own speech in Greenwich in February. The Lockstep document was published a decade ago. In plain sight. It’s what they do. Somewhat occultist. Hidden yet in plain sight. Like PNAC. Only I supported PNAC. Better American hedgemony than Chinese. Better the devil you know.

Here’s Hancock from three years ago too:

https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/the-4th-industrial-revolution

I know it’s not a conspiracy but there are those reluctant to believe that what is going on can actually happen because it just seems too ‘sci-fi’ and no-one wants to appear gullible. I wasn’t sure what was going on in March but by about end of May I was convinced of it. And as every day passes, with unbelievable scenarios like that in Melbourne, it seems more and more obvious to me, yet people are still in denial. Pretty sure Toby is still in the ‘incompetence is the explanation’ group.

It’s clearly a conspiracy. What it isn’t is a conspiracy theory.

It looks to my untrained eye that the Spire of doom on the graph to-the-moon toppled forwards. The ‘forgotten/excelled’ numbers pushed into the future to lie on top of the following week.

Has there been an official announced resolution to the lost 16,000? How were they added to the numbers?

Cant help but think of that gentleman Captain Tom Moore who did that walk to raise money for the NHS……..if only he knew!!!!

Credit to him for getting up and doing something for what he believed in but shame on those who through this lockdown are probably throwing away every 24 hours the equivalent of what he raised in total.

There was also a woman aged 100 doing 500 stand-ups from her chair. That’s some farting.

Is he still walking??

A wonderful bit of brainwashing propaganda and for what a duet with Michael ball and an interview with cunty balls Piers Morgan.

That duet was so incredibly painful to listen to. Not just because it sounded objectively horrible – it was the mawkish, fawning tone that marked it out as yet another deliberately emotionally manipulative exercise. It was like X-Factor sob-story chav-bait on steroids. Yuck.

Haven’t the Government used him today for some more propaganda? Advertising 1/3 off railcards for ex-servicemen? Thought he’d been made a honourary Colonel too.

I was encouraged by the article in the Daily Mail about Nelson’s letter, but I wish they would at least try to get their facts right on matters that, though not important to the argument, make them seem silly. They describe “the letter on yellowing parchment” then give a picture showing a letter on off-white paper. I suppose to the DM any type of old paper is “parchment”.

Who wrote the article, was it Sam or Liam?

This is nothing to do with a low mortality virus and The only way to predict the future is to create it.

When will tory brexiteers ( or Farage) realise that starmer/johnson dreamteam will not deliver brexit. A government of national unity is more likely.

The UK now officially a one party state from yesterday.

It’s possible that the Tories are pushing ahead with Brexit because it could make a useful excuse in the future as to why the British economy has collapsed. It wasn’t the Lockdown, it was Brexit.

https://www.newchartistmovement.org

Well according to the DM, the teams are The Sage and The Hawks.

aka The Band

Always impressive to see above the line variety, accuracy, skill and diversity. Today, finally, I can pick a hole in something.

It is written, ‘Even SAGE admits they’re making it up as they go along.’

Now, it may be subjective to say but that is one lofty ‘Even’. I suggest SAGE have mired themselves and the reputation of wider critical scientific thought from the start.

SAGE don’t deserve that ‘Even’. They deserve no repect. Particularly when one considers the evils of SPI-B.

Had an answer back from Morrison’s about their HSE breaches:

“Thank you for contacting us.

We will be following Government guidelines to keep our customers and staff safe.

Kind regards “

So I thought screw it, stir up some shit:

“ Thank you for the answer even if it does not address the real issue and is quite pathetic.

Couple of points for Morrison’s legal department and top management:

1 – guidelines and guidance have no force in law in England and are unenforceable

2 – businesses must do a risk assessment of their own complete with research and proof the mitigations are appropriate, proportionate and will work as “I was just following guidelines” is not an acceptable defence

3 – Health and Safety legislation is paramount as it is an Act of Parliament and the Coronavirus legislation is a Statutory instrument.

4 – the company is putting the health and lives of it’s staff at risk due to HSE the breaches (no briefing, lack of risk assessment, lack of training and so on) I highlighted and they are now liable for an investigation and fines if any of the staff become ill and make a complaint

5 – it is not as simple a matter as saying “Government says it is law for staff to wear a mask”. Government know this and they also know about point 3 above which is why the “in close contact” is in the S.I. – the onus and responsibility now rests with the company to prove what is “in close contact with customers” by risk a assessment plus it gives the company a way out. All the company has to do is say “our staff are not in close contact with customers at any time, no masks required”.

6 – Government cannot be held to account for any illnesses or deaths of staff due to the policy as they have included a get out clause – their defence “the company did not do a full and proper risk assessment, made staff and customers wear a mask when they did not have to, ignored exemptions and so on, don’t look at us judge not our fault”.

Regards”

Found this quote today:

“Never underestimate the power of a few committed people to change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has.”
~ Margaret Meade

Sock it to ’em. I do hope they have done the necessary face fit tests too given that masking is PPE. This should be in their risk assessment. Also, there are studies/comments surfacing regarding a rise in lung/face/mouth infections and ill health from mask (or face covering) wearing. I agree that employers certainly would be liable in cases where wearing such things resulted in ill-health and, as you have stated, cannot fall back on ‘we were following guidelines’.

What I am enjoying – whatever people’s opinions – is that they are referring to source documents when coming to conclusions. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY is willing to unquestioningly accept spoon-fed info from Pfeffel.

Kier Starmer – only MP in this sitting of Parliament asked to join the Trilateral Commission.

Found this on a Labour supporting site:

https://labourheartlands.com/sir-keir-starmer-the-establishment-candidate-the-labour-leadership-race-and-the-trilateral-commission/

I guess even his own party don’t like his links to it.

FOUR people under 20 have died of covid since March without any underlying medical problems.

My money would be on those being undiagnosed heart conditions anyway. 12 young people under 35 die this way every week in the UK! That would be nearly 400 since March.

The partner of a colleague of mine died suddenly and they had to send their heart to Italy for a test to confirm. I bet they just stick Covid on the death certificate for an eastbound life in some cases.

A few years ago, a colleague in her thirties died suddenly of ‘flu. If she had an underlying condition, she wasn’t aware of it. Obviously it was terribly sad for her family but things like that have always happened. These people are trying to abolish death!

Indeed – the only ‘pandemic’ is the inability of modern man to face his own mortality.

Not sure if I’ve posted this before but it may help some people who are finding things mentally tough:

There was a study done in mice whereby one group was fed at regular intervals and another at irregular intervals, then the food was stopped. The group that was fed regularly started showing distress when food didn’t arrive as expected. The other group carried on as normal. It’s thought that the irregularly fed group just considered it the normal course of events as there would be no expectation of getting fed at any particular time.

Most people probably like routine, it provides comfort knowing things will happen as expected. Few people will like to be on constant alert not knowing what is around the corner.

So when things happen that break our routines it can be a little distressing (like for the regularly fed mice). Everything changes and if it’s a slow gradual change then we adjust with it and hardly notice. However if it’s a quick dramatic change then it puts us immediately on alert.

Consider being less regimented in life and accept that things can change. That’s not to say you can’t change back in future but maybe by being a bit more random in certain aspects of life then it may help when changes inevitably come.

I appreciate this, thank you

NI governed by psychos. Four weeks should finish their economy once and for all. I wonder if the army will be on the streets to keep order? It worked so well last time.

All bought and paid for. Treason.

So many in NI are on the State payroll that they won’t notice it and if they do, they will just bleat “Peace Process” over and over until London bungs them some more money.

The summary of SAGE minutes reviewed in “ “ SAGE advice – Whitty vs. No. 10 – Triangulation issues ” is interesting.

… but not for any scientific insights, of which there are none in any meaningful sense.

Instead we see a group that has been mainly notable for the poor quality of its advice seeking to maintain a finger hold on shreds of credibility by rehearsing already discredited arguments whilst ducking the key revelation – that Covid was never the plague that was billed, and that focus needs to be on getting society back to normal functioning.

The issues are cloaked in the absurd ‘health’ v. ‘economy’ duality which, as we know is a false opposition believed only by simpletons and numpties.

That the politicians are – far too late – recognising that decisions are in the realm of politics is a small step forward. But the ‘neither one nor t’other’, weak footling compromise by the cabinet is not really much of an advance. We are still deeply in the mire of a deeply misconceived analysis and the damaging measures that result.

… and I note this :

“ It is nonsense for Hancock to compare SARS-CoV-2 to malaria, measles and Aids – they are completely different types of virus.”

… and this is the guy who is in immediate charge of this shit-show? Totally bereft of even the most basic insight – as was shown in his ignorance about PCR testing.

Scottie !!! Where are you?

Cf my various rants on this topic today and yesterday

Who is that quotation attributable to?

It’s from the commentary on Hancock’s utterances (above)

We are but, now that Starmer has broken cover, there is a clear incentive for Johnson and the Tories to start downplaying the danger of the virus. Something which is already being evidenced in the Telegraph and Mail this morning with strong anti SAGE articles. I wonder whether Starmer will come to reject backing another lockdown, I strongly suspect he will unless we see a tsunami of deaths which you and I both think is unlikely.

The trouble is – to be a pessimist – both Johnson and Starmer now have a vested interest in keeping up perceptions of a ‘lethal’ virus and the Fear narrative, whatever actually happens.

This is a perfect opportunity for Boris to do a Sweden. Ask every SAGE member if they are in favour of lockdowns or not. If they are – sack them – they are anti-science WHO disregarding lunatics

Good point. The WHO u-turn on lockdowns is one of the few pieces of good news I have heard recently. Not because I have an ounce of respect for the WHO, but because they tend to be held up as shining beacons of truth by the globalist authoritarians who run things in this country.

Yes, I think Starmer is motivated by the opinion polls, which I personally don’t believe are representative of public opinion. Certainly there is little enthusiasm from people I know for another lockdown.

Both my parents and one of my sisters have holidays planned this week. I know they are not in favour of more lockdowns. They’ve already had to cancel holidays this year.

I sent via e-mail a clip of Nabarro (of the WHO’s) piece – in which he rages against lockdowns to Andrew Neil – over to my MP, who is a Labour cabinet member.

Despite giving him a piece of my mind earlier this year, my MP again seems to be on “speaking” terms with me and is answering my e-mails. (I have met him in person.)

It does seem to take a week or two for him to respond though, so he may not receive my latest until next week.

I don’t hold out much hope of it making a difference, but it may at least reduce his confidence in lockdowns as a policy.

Starmer has misjudged this entire episode (and the political value he can exploit from it) very, very badly. This is from someone who voted for him in the leadership election – I don’t think I’ll ever vote Labour again now.

And me. I rejoined to vote in the leadership election but left because he wouldn’t condemn the misogyny against women fighting to keep men in frocks out of female only spaces. If I hadn’t, I’d have left over this. He is listening to the public sector unions and ignoring the working class.

Yes, I think Starmer is motivated by the opinion polls, which I personally don’t believe are representative of public opinion.

They pick up the general sentiment. And several polls were virtually spot on in the last GE.

In better news Salvage Hunters is back tonight, first time since all this started. Hope it hasn’t gone ‘covid’.

I love the way it celebrates proper craftmanship and practical engineering skills. A world away from the PPE graduates and mainstream media that’s ruining everything.

Agree,it’s the only terrestrial telly worth watching.

Why sell to Drew for £1000 so that he can sell for £3000 when ebay or similar might have got you £2000? Always puzzled me that.

I also love the way Drew buys a table for, say, £50, and Alex the French Polisher replaces the legs and the top, taking 100 hours to make what is basically a new table (like Trigger’s Broom) and then Drew says ‘great, I reckon I can get at least £100 for it now!’ With a grasp of economics like that, maybe he should be in government!

Thanks for the tip – it’s one of my favourite programmes. Although I prefer the spin off series, ‘The Restorers’, as I find it more interesting to watch Drew’s old junk being restored than Drew pulling it out of sheds and haggling for it!

So there we have it, the leader of the political party responsible for so much of the shambles that goes to make up the Democratic Socialist Big State Britain of today…..intent upon making it even worse……

If nothing else, the Prime Minister is lucky in his enemies….

Yawn.

More reality denial.

Doesn’t really help to peddle simple -minded political allegiance as a diversion.

Another excellent edition of “Sceptics”. But the longer this sinister pantomime goes on, the more convinced I become that there are powerful forces in the background driving this agenda on.

Why do I say this? Because no matter what arguments and evidence is produced in places like this to show that we could go back to normal, it is all like water off a duck’s back to those in authority. The scales are hopelessly tilted against the Gupta’s and Heneghans.

And everything that the so-called “conspiracy theorists” (is anyone still laughing at David Icke now?) have warned about since March is unfolding before our eyes. “Lockdown” then muzzles, and it is obvious from what Hancock says that soon it will be coerced vsccines then health passports.

It is like they are reading off some nightmarish script that goes way above their pay grade. Freedom will soon be a thing of the past in Johnson’s shiny new technocratic dystopia.

the longer this sinister pantomime goes on, the more convinced I become that there are powerful forces in the background driving this agenda on.

Yes, I know, and woe-betide any of us who dare to take issue with this!

I wrote a huge long comment about the fallacy of this a couple of days ago.

All you are doing – whether you realise it or not – is letting the guilty party off the hook.

The guilty party being Johnson’s government.

I think some people here would be happy for Johnson, Hancock and their cabal walk free at their trial and instead rage against Bill Gates.

Thank God it’s not 1945 or Hitler could have walked away scot free.

JOHNSON AND HIS GOVERNMENT ARE LEGALLY (AND IN FACT) RUNNING (RUINING) THIS COUNTRY. NO-ONE ELSE.

You don’t exonerate the lieutenants because the generals give the orders.

I try keep an open mind – and believe me , I would love to be completely wrong about this.

As for Johnson and his cabal, don’t worry about them. Nuremberg showed once and for all that “following orders” is no defence at all.

They are definitely on the hook for the devastation that they have caused.

Mmmm … the key to Hitler’s defeat and the trail leading to Nuremberg was Russia, and the squeeze from two directions.

Where’s our ‘Russia’?

Actually – Where’s our western front??

Trump?

He’d better get on with it pretty quickly then. He’s only got until Nov 3rd. I’m afraid it’s not looking at all good for him at the moment.

Or any front for that matter. There’s not even been a Gallipoli or Dunkirk.

Couldn’t agree more. It is THIS government that is choosing to issue a plethora of regulations by edict (SIs) with no attempt to justify them evidentially still less to carry out any regulatory impact assessments. Lay the blame where it lies.

Under orders, I can remember reading that when Johnson was informed of what was on the cards, he said, ‘we wouldnt fall for it’, obviously told we/he had no choice and so the compliance began with the first obedient lockdown.

As far as I know no one on here who leans to the conspiracy side wants Johnson off the hook.
And your analogy is wrong,Hitler is the orchestrater.Johnson is a Gauleiter.Metro Mayors are concentration camp commandants

It is becoming harder to deny the attempts by such as the World Economic Forum, to capitalise on this whole nasty event. It is very much in their interest to keep us in a state of panic, so that they can push their whole Great Reset and Fourth Industrial Revolution agenda upon us.

This kind of takeover has been tried before.

In the heat of the Great Depression during the 1930s, prominent scientists and engineers proposed a utopian energy-based economic system called Technocracy that would be run by those same scientists and engineers instead of elected politicians. Although this radical movement lost momentum by 1940, it regained status when it was conceptually adopted by the elitist Trilateral Commission (co-founded by Zbigniew Brzezinski and David Rockefeller) in 1973 to be become its so-called “New International Economic Order.”

Technocracy rising : the Trojan horse of global transformation by Patrick Wood

The name might of changed but the agenda is the same.

see also

https://www.technocracy.news/looking-backward-technocrat-told-ohio-residents-in-1938-that-utopia-lie-straight-ahead/

There were lots of totalitarian ideas floating around in the 30s. It doesn’t mean they were taken seriously. Every crisis has those pushing an agenda and this is no different. Doesn’t mean they’ll get their way. Remember anything new MUST be better than what went before, or it will fail. Even the Nazis needed 14 years of chaos before coming to power. Even then that was by mistake.

I agree, the Technocracy movement lost momentum in the 40s due to the economic recovery and then the 2nd world war. But please do not underestimate the power of the WEF, they have many friends in high places. Most relevant to us are Matt Hancock and Devi Sridhar.

Whilst our main point of attack must be debunking the governments poor startegy we still need to ask #whyaretheydoingthis?

I am not laughing at David Icke. We would get far more traction with the man in the street if he hadn’t attached himself like a limpet mine to the cause. frankly if David Icke didn’t exist, the NWO would have had to invent him.

In the past I generally viewed him as a bit of a harmless crank, nothing more. And I know a lot of sceptics get annoyed with him, as they think he damages the cause, but I doubt he does much harm.

What I have noticed is that since March the government have appeared to be doing whatever they can to validate his theories.

The problem with Icke is that although he speaks a lot of sense it’s mixed up with a lot of nonsense.

I think he has got most of his accurate info from Patrick Woods work, he has been investigating “Technocracy” for years. Patrick comes across as a very sensible and sane man, unlike David.
please visit his website and also watch some of his Youtube videos.
https://www.technocracy.news/

Just summed up every conspiracy theory ever there! Thank you

David Icke has been earning a decent living for years, most of his ‘research’ is just copying other peoples work. So Icke has been right about some of what he says, but tends to pad out with a lot of BS. You are right that his envolvment does not help the cause.

Yes, I’m still laughing at David Icke. Sorry if you’re a fan.

That Mark might be a fan, but I’m not. And I’m the usual Mark here.

I’ve not read Icke’s scribblings other than what I’ve seen reported, but the “lizard people” thing which is often used to discredit him could have been a figure of speech and not meant to be taken literally. Similar to the saying about Trump: his supporters take him seriously but not literally, his opponents take him literally but not seriously.

I’m all for Lockdown II provided all the public servants will donate their salaries to the private sector and business owners for 6 months. So no money for you great “servants” of the people. So noble. So stunning and brave.

Also politicians should bring a sleeping bag and stove for prolonged living in the Houses of Parliament.

Rishi has tried to help but the effect of free money is just to make people happy to lockdown

They will keep reducing it, until the out of work have a, what they believe to be, a sustainable level.

All valid arguments, the whole thing is middle class (full or large % of pay) to work at home online as against working class impossible to work from home as plumber,builder,van drive, shop worker etc etc. I suppose you could say NHS workers can’t work from home either. Frankly though I am so sick of the masses of “Health workers” happy to go along with this charade I honestly want to throw a brick at houses with the thank you NHS signs on them. For context I am a 54 year old female who is not usually violent!

My missus is a nurse and also does agency work. While I don’t want to bite the hand that feeds me, a wake-up call needs to be made and the best place is in the pocket.

A lot of people who have always worked in the public sector or who are permanent employees have no idea what it means to build a company or small business. Which consists of something like 80% of our economy.

Madness.

The NHS death cult rainbows

To be fair, a lot of those rainbows are looking distinctly shabby and faded now, and many have been taken down. In my village a lot of them got replaced by VE Day 75th Anniversary decorations. I haven’t seen any new NHS decorations for a long time.

I despair at those falling into the Johnson ‘divide and rule’ trap of setting up the bone-headed duality of public v. private. It’s as stupid as falling into the Fear trap.

A good point but it does stick in the craw that NHS staff had discounts and preferred shopping hours while delivery drivers ( many of whom will have young families) get nada! I don’t have delivery drivers among my friends and family but I can clearly see when some get the shitty end of the stick.

I’ve always wondered why Keir Starmer always looks into the camera as if he’s about to burst into tears and confess.

Now I know.

Remember ‘the great reset’ proposed by the World Economic Forum. This is what they want, less travel for the plebs, guaranteed government income, crippling taxes to pay for it.

I think we should all use this form to ask Wankcock how he thinks malaria and AIDS are the same as measles and covid-19:

https://contactus.dhsc.gov.uk

Put my questions in, they give you 3000 characters so you can let rip:

Mr Hancock, our illustrious Secretary of State for Health said yesterday in his speech about herd immunity that “Many infectious diseases never reach herd immunity, like measles and malaria”.

Malaria is caused by an infected mosquito biting the individual and cannot be passed human to human.

Can he please explain to the nation how malaria and AIDS are similar to flu and how herd immunity does or does not works with them?

This one statement shows how ignorant he is of medical or science matters and is unfit to hold the position he is in.

Can he also explain the following:

1 – Department of Health and Social Care Reference FOI-1240596 answer stated that a positive PCR test means nothing medically.

The actual quote: “SARS-CoV-2 RNA means the RNA is present in that sample at that point in time. It does not mean that the patient has the novel coronavirus (COVID-19).”

So why the continued nonsense that a positive test warrants shutting down huge swathes of the population and economy?

2 – Department of Health and Social Care Reference FOI-1240596 answer gave a link to a document that in conclusion stated that the PCR tests being used are unreliable, had high false positive rates, could not be verified against an actual confirmed case of covid-19 and had not been verified in a medical or hospital setting.

So basically as admitted by the DHSC answer Reference FOI-1240596 you are using tests that are “unreliable” to say the least, have no reference standard to double check the accuracy against and that have results that means nothing medically.

So why the continued nonsense that a positive test warrants shutting down huge swathes of the population and economy?

3 – A quote by CMO Whitty on 21st July 2020:

“If you look at the R, and the behaviours, quite a lot of the change that led to the R going below one occurred well before, or to some extent before, the 23rd, when the full lockdown started.”

So why the continued nonsense of increasingly totalitarian, draconian and nonsensical restrictions being imposed and the shutting down huge swathes of the population and economy when it has been shown that more frequent and washing with soap and hot water, cough and sneeze etiquette and staying at home for a few days if you feel ill was working prior to March 23rd 2020?

4 – Nowhere has it been shown, no real-life studies show that one the past 2000 years of human history lockdowns work nor does mask or face covering wearing work to stop the spread of a virus.

Why does he and his team of “experts” believe they will when virtually every independent researcher and scientist worldwide who is not connected to Government teams or groups or the vaccine industry is proving they do not?

I look forward to Mr. Hancock’s answers in the national media and Parliament soon.”

I attached the FOI answer referenced for him to read and digest.

Between them Sunak and Starmer have shot poor Boris’s fox. He wanted a circuit break now so he could end lockdowns in December to a fanfare of “Boris saves Christmas” headlines. But Rishi put his foot down on that one so Starmer has started agitating for a circuit break lockdown at half term. If Boris caves and introduces one Starmer will (assuming it works) then claim he was the one who saved Christmas.

Note: I’m assuming nobody reading this believes that a circuit break will do anything other than kick the can down the road. We may be released from our hovels on Christmas Day to play socially distanced football on the boarded up high street before being chased back into our homes by the covid Stasi where we shall remain locked down from January through to at least March!

Depending on what you think the ultimate goals are, this will either go on until there is a vaccine or forever (and a vaccine may take forever).

Yes. The goalposts have been constantly changed. First things were going to be back to normal in three weeks, then twelve, then by the summer, now it’s all ‘2021’ which is gradually moving further away as well. People don’t seem to realise that the machinery is in place for this to continue indefinitely now. It’s a ‘heads I win tails you lose’ situation.

I think a lot of people are still expecting to go back to “normal” one day, just not as soon as they first thought. It hasn’t really sunk in yet that this is it, forever.

The full transcript of the Dr Reiner Fuellmich video on Crimes against Humanity is available here:

https://www.globalresearch.ca/video-crimes-against-humanity-the-german-corona-investigation/5725795

I don’t think this should be trusted. I mean what would the Germans know about mass subversion and treason?

Peter Hitchens “on fire” this morning:

My projections on the British economy suggest a short ‘circuit-breaker’ in which all Ministers and MPs who have failed to oppose this destructive madness should be put on Universal Credit for the rest of their natural lives.

Hancock and Johnson *are* letting unemployment rip. Hancock and Johnson * have* let cancer and heart disease rip. Hancock and Johnson *have* let family separation and callous cruelty rip. Never forget it. Justice will eventually catch up with these buffoons.

Please could you provide a link to this?

On PH’s twitter: https://twitter.com/ClarkeMicah/status/1316290197823401984

Superb. Where was it – available yet online?

Personally, I would confiscate all their property and sell them and their families and their children to the fourth generation into slavery.

On what forum was he speaking

A student that I teach has called in sick today with COVID symptoms and is awaiting test results. The ironic thing is that this student wears a mask all day (SE Asian background), in all classes (the only one in my classes that does) and outdoors as well. The mask that she generally wears is one of those tight fitting black ones (with no gaps around the edges). The student sits away from the rest of the class in the classroom.

I wonder how many more of these cases are around that prove that mask wearing is useless?

I am actually beginning to think masks actually spread the virus even more. If Covid is spread by droplets from the mouth, then constantly touching your face to put the mask on and off then touching doors, supermarket items, surfaces etc, then a person with Covid is actually spreading it more? I’m no scientist but just a thought!

Here’s the thing. We strongly suspect masks don’t stop the virus, or at best have a small effect. However, people wearing masks simply don’t anti-social distance at all. Comparing the two stupidities, I’d say ASD would be more effective – though in the overall scheme of things, only marginally – than face nappies. So the nappies probably do lead to more infection.

Carehome work friend has been sent home with sore throat. Told to carry out the test themselves. Cannot return to work without positive test.

They themselves blame the Flu shot. Two weeks off in isolation? No. Just as soon as the Covid test comes back negative they can return to work, with the Flu…?

Utterly blind nonsense

You’d be better off not having it. I’d like to know the percentage of people becoming sick after having the flu vaccine. I’ve never had the flu and I would certainly not have the flu vaccine!!

Of course, that’s why we were told to wear them, to make people ill and spread germs.

It’s more power to the governments elbow, more throat and chest infections the more they can impose authorianism. Stop wearing masks is the only answer. Politicians only wear them in front of the cameras!

I’d be most interested to know the political leanings of all members of SAGE and not least Graham Medley and Matt Keeling from Scientific Pandemic Influenza Group on Modelling (SPIM). After today, I think we can all guess.

Their political leanings are not the issue. As we know, traditional political definitions are beside the point in this shit-show. It’s to do with much more personal character flaws, real-world experience and grounding in scientific rigour.

Agreed but I think it’s interesting these two seem to be tag teaming with Starmer.

And the UK’s tragedy is the scientific illiteracy of the political class.

One member of SAGE is a registered Communist Party member

I know about her.

A common definition (often attributed to Einstein but disputed) of insanity is that it is repeatedly doing the same thing & expecting a different outcome. We have had a national lockdown, local lockdowns, local restrictions, the three tiers, masks & hand sanitiser everywhere & social distancing. Now we have the proposed ‘circuit breaker’, which no doubt is only a matter of days away. Nothing has stopped the spread of the virus. Are these clowns insane or am I? Nothing has stopped the spread of the virus or is likely to do. It is here & we cannot ‘control’ or ‘defeat’ it. We just have to learn to deal with it in a sensible way & get on with life as with every other virus. I despair.

Mr Bee, you’re not alone. I’m tearing out what little hair I have left over this madness.

Once you accept it’s not about a virus then it is easier

The virus is just a smokescreen at this point.

Being seen to be doing something.

William Farr was right all those years ago. Basically the virus has followed a Farr curve everywhere wih some variation probably according to local factors. Meanwhile we are told that the lockdown worked so well that we need another one, which obviously means the lockdown DIDN’T work. And they tell us facemasks are our salvation despite the infection rate, sorry positive test rate, increasing since they were mandated. So obviously we are not yet wearing them in enough places, everywhere outdoors will be next, then in our homes, then there are gloves, and goggles . . . Hope Simpson was right as well looking at vitamin D vs seasonal infections like flu. So much real knowledge squandered in the face of an agenda.

Hat Mancock (as someone mispronounced him) is still following Ferguson, lock down and wait for the vaccine to save us. Covid zero, carbon zero, human zero

Fellow skeptics,
As of last night, Holland is no longer a country that values its freedom. Because of a highly doubtful increase in “cases”, the pubs/bars/restaurants/clubs/theaters in the whole country will be shut down completely, for at least 4 weeks. Some major carnavals scheduled to take place in 2021 have already been cancelled! This has never happened before, including during the German occupation! Most controversially, and one issue where I admired the Dutch stubbornness, masks will be made compulsory when legal technicalities (i.e. a small thing called the Dutch Constitution!) are dealt with.
Shops have already started to implement the ” law”, although it was specified that it is not legally enforceable yet. Any fellow Dutch residents can comment on this? Is there any workaround, like the exemptions in the UK? Or are we headed either for an exclusively online (me) or zombielike muzzled experience?

I read on Monday as headline from the Independent, I think, that The Netherlands want to follow Belgium and not make policies on account of positive tests. Must have beer wrong then.
Sad.

Funny how all the incompetent
Governments around the world want to cover up their incompetence with the same 4 week lockdown.

The Scientific Panzer Influenza Group has a moot point, in my opinion.

Certainly, 3000 early deaths among the Covidites, Lockdown Luvvies and Great Resetters would save the lives of 107,000 everyday citizens, if not far more.

Another passing thought.

The key policy issues – all except masks – are well covered in today’s issue. Well done for that ‘sticking to the knitting’.

The review is interesting in revealing what an utter failure government and SAGE have been, creating the worst of all possible worlds, whilst the virus has managed its own fate unhindered.

There is nothing touched on (above), from lock-ups, through T &T to vaccines that have not been woefully (and wilfully) misconceived.

… and yet the insanity (as defined by Einstein) continues unabated, with irrelevant spats about what degree of uselessness should come next, and the opposition and media joins in to play the same game of ignoring the key fact – that the emperor is stark bollock naked.

‘that the emperor is stark bollock naked.

I always thought that King Canute was fully clothed?!

For anyone who missed the breakfast posting:
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Ian Brown earlier gave support to Liverpool:

BiG UP LiVERPOOL! they know full well if they can break you they can break anywhere! #STANDFiRM #ONELOVE

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Quote of the day so far from my 15 year old son. “That labour leader guy is a complete numbnut with a capital N”. Made me smile on an otherwise depressing day.

Sums Starmer up very concisely.

They’re all numbnuts in my view!

Reason to be proud, excellent parenting! One of my proudest moments was my 16 year old daughter’s comment when Blair became PM “He’s creepy”. Spot on and prescient.

Starmer is playing Mr Nasty to Bozo’s Mr not quite as Nasty, This allows the Tories to introduce all kinds of infantile measures and still appear to be reasonable. Well done Starmer. Does he know what he is doing and if so is he just an establishment placeman who has been imposed on Labour?

“ is he just an establishment placeman who has been imposed on Labour?”

Not so much ‘imposed’ as finessed.

Anyone who’s been awake (i.e. immune to MSM narratives) over the last few years, the media assault on Corbyn was unprecedented in its dishonesty and deviousness. It was obvious that it was co-ordinated, and originated in common establishment sources.

The campaign came to fruition at the last GE, when it was obvious that Corbyn would have to go.

Whilst we can argue about Corbyn in terms of leadership qualities, and even the fairly ordinary centre-left policy agenda , the real problem for the establlishment interests was that he was not captive – and had had remarkable success in re-invigorating the Labour Party as a genuine, wide, member-based political entity (against the wishes of an administration still influenced by Blair and establishment connections).

All this was dangerous to establishment interests – and so – long story short – we now have Starmer as a safe pair of hands in these terms, leading a compliant PLP still very much in thrall to the Blair era (like the administration of the Party) , and lacking individuality and muscle.

Thus the net result : no opposition – just a safe alternative should the plebs get restless.

Corruption in Government? Who’d a thunk it……….this is what’s commonl;y known as taking the p*ss

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnrSpCO6dWM

Brilliantly searing comment from Allison Pearson’s article mentioned in the roundup:

To be fair to Baroness Harding, the poor woman has only been given £12.6 billion to come up with a workable NHS tracking system. With that amount, you could have paid every single elderly and vulnerable person in the UK £60,000 to shield themselves in the Bahamas and used the change to recompense students for their non-existent university experience.

Indeed.

That would be much more sensible policy for sure!

Just as Sweden shows us that lockdowns are fundamentally stupid, so Japan gives the lie to those who say it is impossible to protect the elderly.

‘Japan has recorded 1,225 deaths from covid-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus, compared with about 180,000 in the United States. In Japan, 14 percent of the deaths have been in elder-care facilities. That is compared with more than 40 percent in the United States, despite a lower proportion of U.S. seniors living in nursing homes.

Fewer than 1% of Americans live in nursing facilities, compared with 1.7% in Japan.’

How do they do it?

‘Japan’s elderly care facilities have taken great care in protecting the elderly, not just from this virus but from norovirus, influenza and other germs.’

‘…the idea is to keep the infection out in the first place.’ (!)

‘Access to the second floor, where residents live, is very closely controlled, with even close family members excluded’

“The very basic principle of elderly care is washing your hands at each step of your work: Take care of someone, wash your hands, do another job, wash your hands. But now it is even more thorough.

Perhaps surprisingly, staffers don’t usually wear face masks. It makes it harder to communicate with elderly patients who may be suffering from dementia.’

‘….huge debt of gratitude to staff members who have basically put their own lives on hold so they don’t bring the virus in….’They have hardly been anywhere else except here, and just commute between their homes and work,”

‘“We tend to have less diabetes, less obesity, and these kind of risk factors seem to be heavily related to the severity of the disease,”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/japan-coronavirus-elderly-death-rate/2020/08/29/f30f3ca8-e2da-11ea-82d8-5e55d47e90ca_story.html

Hmmm…….nosocomial infection and co-morbidities absent……..this is not complicated…

At the very least, the state health service should consider voluntary BCG vaccination for the elderly:

‘In addition to the clear effect of BCG vaccination on infections in general, the most important observation was that BCG could mainly protect against respiratory infections: BCG-vaccinated elderly people had 75% fewer respiratory infections than the elderly who received placebo.’

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32941801/

All well and good in its own way. But do we really want to deprive elderly people of family contact, hugs and kisses on a permanent basis? Won’t that demoralising state of affairs impact negatively on their health, often hastening their demise.

Yeah. That’s the thing for me too. It should really be a decision for them too. Of course it should.

I think a lot of the problem stems from the fact that middle aged (and younger) policy makers assume that elderly people with co-morbidities and/or dementia in care homes are ‘just like them’. They don’t understand that somebody in that condition cannot, like them, reasonably expect another 30 or 40 years of life so there is no point ‘protecting’ them if it makes their lasts months or years miserable.

Why does Will Jones again repeat the bullshit that the polls show the public want stricter measures and more lockdown ? It’s a good job i’m not in the conspiracy camp because i notice he repeats it often along with a increasing number of defeatist commentators on here . Everyone knows polls have been way out on Brexit and the last former elections both here and places like America and Australia ,me and others have pointed out on here that with over 5 million public sector workers and many others on furlough the chance of an extended or new holiday with pay is appealing and are surely the people voting in the polls. I don’t personally know one single person ,even the pro mask people iv’e spoke to who say they want another national lockdown .Are you your family and friends clamouring for one ? because i can’t see it . And even supposing i’m completely wrong and most people did want it ,why on earth would we repeat it and propagate it ? Imagine you’re back in world war 2 would you keep saying the Germans are winning and everybody supports them and its all doomed ,no of course you wouldn’t .What you do is encourage your own side . We need to stop the game playing because things are serious and the freedoms that generations fought and died for are being stripped away so lets stop being defeatist because giving up is what the other side want .Everyone of us needs to decide today either in small groups or as individuals what we can do to further the cause and end the lockdown .Whatever you do will be a help and make us stronger and will take away the gloom and make you feel better. So come on chaps and ladies lets make future generation proud of us .so that when our grand children living in a free society look back on us ,they remember with tears in their eyes and pride in their hearts that we against all odds never gave up or gave in .

so today went to Aldi. Not masked of course. Noted a notice not to buy more than i needed (don’t panic buy). Everyone masked. My favourite assistant on till unmasked and agreeing it is all bullshit.

Then went for a walk. Passed the test centre they have set up in the car park to the country park. Fence all the way round. Walked from the footpath up the steps to car park to have a look. A constant stream of cars coming in. Drivers being tested. If you are fit enough to drive you aren’t ill!

Then i attracted the interest of the bouncers. In black with yellow jackets. Bear in mind i am some yards from the fence which is 30 yards from where the activity is taking place, and on public land.
Lady comes over .. Asks if i have come for a test. I said no . Asked what i was doing there? Just having a look. This is private. No, its a public park. People are having tests. I know!.
She didnt know what to do. Turned around walked the 30 yards back to the main entrance muttering to her colleagues.

They are very sensitive about this aren’t they?

Lol do not look behind the curtain!

Yes very touchy indeed, it seems to be pretty universal. These test centre people have a lot to hide and they know it.

People are incredible paranoid about being filmed and nearly everybody thinks it is illegal to film people in a public area. It’s not.

I used to hear a lot about this in my old life as a drone enthusiast. Actually there was strong anti drone propaganda before the government brought in some swinging new laws that pretty much shut down all flying of model aircraft and drones.

It got so bad that I would be harassed for legally flying my drones just about everywhere from the brainwashed sheeple. “ARE YOU FILMING? YOU CAN’T DO THAT”….
I actually just gave up trying to fly them as did almost everybody that I knew who was into them as well. the new rules totaly killed what was a very interesting SAFE and fun thing to do enjoyed by thousands of people.

The new rules introduced statutory instruments with fines if you did fly anything over 250 grams in weight without a “licence”.

All this was done in the interests of safety but there have been almost no accidents that resulted in injury with drones or model aircraft. One or two death involving model helicopters when people flew them into their heads/necks and a fair few drone/face propeller/fingers incidents but certainly no real risks to real aircraft.

The drone debacle was like the covid meltdown in many ways. The public propagandised to hell then tons of stupid laws brought in on the back of the brainwashing.

Yes, I remember the “Gatwick drone”. It was never found, and if it existed at all, it’s a dead cert it was a police drone. And remember how the scum dealt with that totally innocent couple?

That was a massive hoax to cover up for a crash in the airports critical booking baggage software that would have cost the airport operator a huge amount of money. They fabricated the whole thing and ALSO huge contracts were paid out to a few companies for anti drone defence systems, of which we hear NOTHING about now. Sounds familiar?

This kind of thing:
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/dasa-awards-2m-contracts-to-counter-hostile-drone-threats

What they really wanted was a pan European track n trace mobile phone app drone surveillance system they called “Uspace” where you have to log into to mission command and submit your flight plan then this flight plan would be authorised by central HQ. All other users of the airspace under 400 feet would then be notified of your drone “mission” and also you would be ordered to land your or “abort your mission” if say an air ambulance or police helicopter was operating in your area.

A totally mental solution for a non problem. Sound familiar?

As far as I know this mental “uspace” thing has fizzled out and come to nothing.

Also the privatisation of the lower airspace was very much the goal. Charging for priority acess to the lower airsoace to say Amazon or Pizza hut for drone deliveries.

I said many times to my fellow dronsters that this was Tyranny and that people should not register thier aircraft and not comply but EVERYBODY did.

Now the hobby is almost decimated.

Not to mention that a drone weighs much less than a goose or other bird. And aeroplanes are built to deal with them.

Err, aeroplanes can usually (but not always) ‘deal with’ birds yes, but often with significant cost due to inspection/repair requirements.

I heard a hysterical but almost certainly untrue story, they fired a chicken from an air cannon into a newly developed aircraft. It shot through the windscreen and embedded itself into the back of the cockpit. Next time they decided the chicken shouldn’t be frozen.

Bird strikes usually involve more than one bird, but one with any size to it can destroy a jet turbine. It only needs to break one blade to trigger a chain reaction and force an engine shutdown

Yeah, drones became public enemy number one, which culminated in a case of mass hysteria at Gatwick. It was quite interesting talking to people who had become so afraid and paranoid about them, but actually had no knowledge of them, apart from what they’d seen in the media.
When I took time to explain the risks and how useful they were to us in solving a lot of problems ( as well as saving lives! ), they usually changed their position.

Some years ago there was a bit of fuss about photography, with private security often displaying their ignorance of the law and some police not much better. As I do some amateur urban photography I took to carryjng around a bit of paper stating the legal position – nowadays I do the same with the Law or Fiction guide to mask exemption.

Insecurity takes many forms.

Yes, I posted something further down, some videos from test centres

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQmjKYWiGco

Rather dodgy if you ask me. Makes you wonder what they’re trying to hide.

Some useful stats from a comment to the Comment Central article:

A very quick search ( gov.uk and statista) reveals that there were recently 3.37 million people over 80 in the UK.
If we take it that nearly all the ~40k deaths were in this age range then it would mean that the vast majority of our old folk are surviving and will survive this virus – only 1 in 80 may die.
The media and the gov. seem intent on telling them and us that they will all die – Nonsense.
If those over 70 are included (5.65 million + 3.37 million = ~9 million) then the proportion (1 in >200) who die is even tinier.
Then if we put this in the perspective of how many die every year in the UK normally ~650 thousand – most of whom are in these age ranges – and would have a high likelihood of dying any way – often from flu and/or pneumonia, then we see how unbalanced the gov., the SAGE (was ever a name less deserved?) and the media.
This should be related to the deaths of the yet-to-be-born (207,000 in 2019). The statistics for death in the UK never includes this number!
Every graphical presentation should show the deaths attributed to the virus alongwith total death rates and those from heart, cancer, dementia, other respiratory, AND pre-born deaths. Otherwise there is no proper perspective.
https://www.statista.com/st …
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peop …

Local rag Live reports

“Gutted Edinburgh eatery Scran forced to close after being told they are ‘not a cafe’

“Scran have shared their devastation after an Environmental Health officer ‘demanded they close while customers were still dining'”

“Initially, cafes with a license [no legal definition] were told they would also have to close, however the next day Nicola Sturgeon confirmed they would be allowed to open as long as alcohol was not sold.

“Speaking to Edinburgh Live, a staff member from Scran explained that after this news, they had “double checked everything” and continued to welcome in customers under the new opening hours.

“”She [Enviro Officer] wouldn’t leave until our customers left and we closed the shop.

“The officer then went on to not caring about a word we said and ended up walking away before we even got a chance to get her details.”

“Edinburgh locals quickly came to Scran’s defense, with one customer commenting: “You are literally the definition of a cafe”.

“Another replied “what a joke man, you could not be more of a cafe”.”

Fuck sake.

Why can’t these people just tell the ‘officer’ to fuck off? I just don’t get it; it is a choice between going out of business or not.

Labour from the word go have always wanted harder lockdowns so Starmer calling for a national lockdown shouldn’t surprise us.

What surprises me is that it’s clear that Labour have not learned anything from their crushing defeat last year. By advocating another lockdown, they’re complicit in the economic Armageddon that’s coming.

More than anything this should prove to everyone once and for all that Labour hate this country and would want nothing more than the Carthaginian destruction of the UK – politically, economically, socially.

Traitors the lot of them!

Yes – Carthagian indeed. If SAGE recommended salting of our fields to control Covid, Starmer, Hancock and the rest would back it.

Exactly. They’re being led by junk science and are too thick to realise it.

And it most certainly will not win back the lost ‘Red Wall’ so eagerly written about in the MSM.After all, it’s the Red Wall areas which are already experiencing the most hardship.

Starmer has always struck me as a typical slippery opportunist, ever ready to issue ambiguous sound bites, take the knee, and waffle unconvincingly about, for example, the persecution of Darren Grimes, while advocating yet another closure of UK plc.

He’s another Blair type figure: all shine and no substance.

His dismissal of the mounting evidence about the rape gangs in Yorkshire, Shropshire,Lancashire and Oxfordshire while DPP should not be forgotten.

These overpaid apparatchiks are a national disgrace; we can only hope that more MPs will dig deep to find some moral courage and join the 42 rebels.

I’m utterly disgusted.

He kneels before extremism: XR, BLM, Islamofascists and the Far Left – now the extreme wing of the Lockdown Lunatics. The man is a walking appeasement machine.

He is indeed – he embodies weakness, even in the way he holds himself. I hate BoJo and think he is clown, I hate the Tories and think they have betrayed us all. But I can’t even be bother to hate Starmer – he’s a non-entity, he’s not even relevant, he’s not worth wasting hate on.

Yes he’s slimy. The kneeling was what did it for me.

Agree. The Red Wall have seen through him and his lot, I seriously doubt they will ever forgive and forget Labour’s betrayal of the working class especially from the 1990s, their toadying up to the EU and allowing freedom of movement to decimate communities.

Starmer is pure Metropolitan elite and only sees the world through that narrow prism. Anything outside the Westminster and Islington bubble doesn’t interest him.

Pure belief in Lysenkoism

Indeed. This lot are not only economically illiterate but also historically and scientific.

In other words, not fit for public office.

“ Traitors the lot of them!”

Starmer and the PLP are pathetic – but I think that the Tories are actually the leaders in the traitor stakes, and are certainly the lead agent in the ‘destruction of the UK.’ And have been for a while.

The entire political establishment in my eyes are traitors. Doesn’t matter what party they are.

Quite agree; they’re all awful, with a very few exceptions.

I think Labour is finished as a political force. The future struggle will be between the moderate and right (if that term means anything anymore) Conservatives, who may end up splitting into two parties when the death of any alternative opposition is confirmed.

I think this is true. What we are witnessing is the last cries of Labour as a significant force, especially in their ability to provide a credible counter narrative to the government. As an opposition should.

They’ve no choice but to take the poisoned challenge of harsh lockdown zealousy because they can’t go back. They’ve presented nothing of merit throughout this mess and continue to do so. To try and now maybe look at the data, question the narrative in a meticulous way would be impossible for them. The turning circle just couldn’t handle a vehicle of that size.

I think so as well. Labour have lost their raison d’etre a long time ago, they’ve become a part of the upper middle class elite and are basically reduced to fighting irrelevant battles and are even more out of touch than the aristocracy of the past.

Hence why I think they’re desperate to cling on to their current client voter base because they know they’re finished.

And the Brexit Party standing in the wings. Apparently standing in the local elections.

No masks in my courtroom!

Yesterday, someone I know appeared in court on a minor traffic offence. It should never have reached this stage but it did. At the start of proceedings the Judge firmly instructed all present in the courtroom to remove their masks with the words ‘I won’t have masks in my courtroom—-remove them!

I find this encouraging. Not only because he probably thinks that mask wearing is a load of boloney and is being used as a tool of social control (I say this because if he had bought into the Covid nonsense, and been brain washed as a result, he most certainly would have insisted on masks—-the example of the funeral director of last week sticks in my craw!).

The other reason of course is that a courtroom, of all places, is a place where truth and lies crash together head on. There can be no doubt that the face is a reflection of our inner selves and that judges and the like rely on ‘facial language’ as part of their armoury when trying to decide innocence and guilt. I can’t imagine how any judge could preside over a room full of masked bandits, not least with the suppression of clear and audible speech that this would entail.

So full marks to the judge. On this ‘evidence’ it would appear that courtrooms at least, are a beacon of sanity.

Was that magistrates or crown court? If the latter it could set a precedent.

It was a minor offence (no one was hurt) and one that should have been settled between insurance companies. I have this information first hand, from the source, and they referred to the ‘Judge’. Other than that I cannot say.

usually matters of motor insurance liability will be dealt with at County Court

These are the courts covid guidance instructions
They specifically refer to a requirement to wear masks . Hence people will have been wearing them but i guess a judge can do what he wants in his courtroom

So they could just lean over the bench and shoot someone then. They don’t have to follow any statue laws at all.

Two excellent articles today on masks.
https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/12/cdc-study-finds-overwhelming-majority-of-people-getting-coronavirus-wore-masks/

https://www.sott.net/article/442455-German-Neurologist-Warns-Against-Wearing-Facemasks-Oxygen-Deprivation-Causes-Permanent-Neurological-Damage

The first one is interesting. Not a great advert for masks, but it’s another reason for the “it doesn’t stop you catching it, it stops you passing it on” thing. You can prove whether someone who catches it wore a mask; you can’t prove that they caught it from someone who was also masked.

You can’t prove that at all anyway, though I also expect that kins of comeback. Taking it back to the famous hamster study then, does that mean they conducted it on the basis of the masked hamsters had SARS-CoV-2 infections, while the umaksed did not. And the masks prevented them getting it?

Such a 2020 sentence that.

The “masked hamster” study was nothing of the sort. They didn’t mask the hamsters, they strung up mask material between the hamsters’ cages. It was in effect yet another mechanistic engineering study that proved only that a hamster’s breath is unlikely to be strong enough to make it through a piece of cloth that’s some distance away from the hamster.

Yeah. I know that actually. I call it the hamsters in masks study out of contempt.

https://fightcovid19.hku.hk/hku-hamster-research-shows-masks-effective-in-preventing-covid-19-transmission/

Exactly. They’ll just say they only caught it because someone else wasn’t wearing a mask.

Have you thought about reporting this to the police?

If anyone dies due to Covid 19 because of the irresponsible actions of this judge, technically, the judge will be guilty of manslaughter.

I imagine the judge might fancy his chances of getting off….

Edinburgh coronavirus experts disagree as one claims herd immunity ‘critical’ to defeating pandemic

Prof Mark Woolhouse disputed claims by health secretary Matt Hancock who said herd immunity was a “flawed goal”

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/mark-woolhouse-devi-sridhar-herd-19100951

Prof Woolhouse told the PA news agency: “Going forward, we would expect more people to be exposed at some stage or another and that immunity would be important, whether natural or through a vaccine.

“Herd immunity is the way this thing ends, one way or another, it is critical to what happens to Covid-19 in the long term.

And yes that is one viscious slimy disgusting propaganda piece from Edinburgh live. Wretched. See those eyes of Sridhar in the accompanying picture. Human warmth, intelligence or something else?

Don’t forget BBC local democracy reporters are on the staff of EL.

We are having a lot of flannel about herd immunity from Tedros and government ministers. Of course, most viruses circulate without the WHO calling on them to be eliminated. If they declare war on them the results may not straightforward. For instance, the attempt to eliminate measles and mumps means that people over 55 or so retain immunity (old fashioned herd immunity) because they had the diseases as children but the effects of the vaccines wear off so young adults and middle aged people mostly won’t have it any more. There must be a considerable concern that we have a large population that does not have herd immunity particularly with measles and that we could get dangerous mutations which could make Covid look like a picnic. If this was to happen it will be blamed on “antivaxxers” but it will be the direct result of six decades of vaccine policy:
https://www.bmj.com/content/367/bmj.l6926/rr-1

On balance good that Starmer has gone full on Himmler. Ultimately will help us extricate ourselves from this mess.

Please explain because I just see it as closing Parliament as an avenue to end this

Politicians are the problem, not the solution – as things stand right now.

Short of a revolution then how can you change things

A Revolution is the only way forward, nothing else is working!

Because any increase in positive cases and deaths will be seen as a victory for Starmer and a failure by Johnson. The government is now incentivised to reverse project fear, minimise positive cases and consequently covid deaths. The intention since March has been to manufacture a scenario in which the government can claim credit for “beating” the virus, Starmer’s intervention makes the accomplishment of that “victory” all the more urgent.

I’m not sure, won’t the left and the press and eventually the public just agitate for it more and more until government “give in”? Especially as cases and deaths will inevitably continue to rise over the winter.

I’ve got a solution to fuel poverty for pensioners.

If we lock them up for 6 months, it will be warm again. Problem solved!

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http://chng.it/g688Sf7wqN

Scare story of the day in case it hasn’t already been posted:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54526660

It seems everything is down to Covid. No other illness exists. I think they are trying to drive us mental, the thing is its working!

I think they are trying to drive us insane. They might actually be insane themselves. We might be witnessing the birth of the ‘cult of the insane’. If this is a plan then the people behind it must be insane, for only the insane would come up with a plan to systematically terrorise the entire planet into obedience in the face of a threat that does not really exist.

The story itself says it is the first case of its kind, and that it happens (rarely) with flu too.

For the BBC to publish this kind of thing, given where we are, given that they are a public service broadcaster, and don’t have to sell ads through clicks, is beneath contempt and a clear indication they are following a line

Having worked as a journalist and editor at the BBC during two other ‘pandemics’ I will give them credit that they aren’t following a line other than that imposed by higher editorial staff for a few reasons:

1) The BBC doesn’t need paid clicks, but the mentality is the same (I was specifically told by our senior editor that our priority was audience numbers, not responsible journalism when disputing our coverage)

2) The editorial staff almost all have the same background and politics, and it is very establishment and very contemptuous of anything that smacks of populism, and they think scepticism is populism – largely because they equate it with Trump.

3) Since the trouble they got into with David Kelly (largely caused by one journalists arrogant lack of procedure) they have been terrified of anything approaching investigative reporting of government policy. When I was there, there was actually a serious high-level discussion about doing no investigative reporting ever again. That was shot down, thankfully, but the fear is real. They are terrified of getting it wrong and giving the government a chance to go in for the kill. The irony of course being that they have abandoned their post when most needed, and now I am sure that many people like me who were once passionate supporters of public service broadcast would gladly see the whole rotten enterprise torn down and buried for ever. I cancelled my licence over their cowardice on this and I suggest everyone here does the same.

I loved my time working there, but it is not what it was and it’s time for it to die.

Exactly and on my own anecdotal evidence, a few years ago now I had really nasty cold that turned into a really nasty sinus infection that caused the cranial nerve in the right side of my face to become inflamed/trapped. Result: Bell’s Palsey. I thought I was having a stroke. Anyway, antibiotics and corticosteroids cleared it up in a few weeks and everything back to normal.

“Doctors could find no explanations for his hearing problem, other than his recent Covid-19 illness.”

So existing asthmatic who was intubated, and needed a blood transfusion, and who conveniently had a covid test on admission that fortunately showed a positive .. so we can blame everything on covid.

Starmer trying to outdo Bozo for idiot of the year!

Sturgeon still holding pole position for now, but a late charge on the outside from the NI government can’t be ignored.

The race to out-stupid each other is never ending

Serious calls for Sturgeon to resign coming thick and fast over a matter of lying to parliament. Ministerial code prescribes resignation in such circumstances.

Essentially the idiot of the year podium might be ‘lance armstronged’.

Nadine Dorries is a contender for the densest government minister award – and she has some very still competition:

“If herd immunity existed, measles and chicken pox would have been wiped out years ago. There is no such thing as herd immunity.”

Doh!

Jimmy Wales (American founder of wikipedia) commented :

If anyone wonders what has gone wrong in the UK, a good starting point would be scientific illiteracy in government.

He’s not wrong.

Ivor Cummins (the fat emperor) was more direct :

“The most moronic utterance this week – and there’s been stiff competition.”

Dorries still hasn’t taken her comment down. Breathtaking conceit and arrogance.

She needs stringing up. She’s strong contender for the Diane Abbott Award in Stupidity here.

I’m not a fan but, be fair, Diane Abbott is not actively abetting the destruction of the country and increasing sickness and death by putting out dangerous lies. MW

Oh dear, obviously heresy on here. MW

No, she is one of those genuinely, truly, honestly and totally incompetent and following her true nature.

We have a very low bar setting for our political class that’s why they don’t choose the private sector!

I hate having this pillock as my MP. I’ve never voted for her, but even if I did, I’d still want her to be strung up like the rest of them.

Standards are very low and her comment betrays the over all stupidity of our political class.

Dorries should know better: She originally trained as a nurse!

https://www.google.com/search?q=the+stupid+it+burns

Labour supporting this just demonstrates how corrupted both our parties are. This is a Globalist cause and the parties must toe the line.

Do you want Johnson and his government to avoid jail?

JOHNSON AND HIS GOVERNMENT ARE LEGALLY (AND IN FACT) RUNNING (RUINING) THIS COUNTRY. NO-ONE ELSE.

They are 100% responsible.

True but it doesn’t negate the fact that they are following a blueprint

I’d happily lock them up and throw away the keys. I find it equally as deplorable though that we do not have an opposition.

Here is the latest National Records for Scotland report, next one due in November -they are switching from weekly to monthly because you know why.

https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/statistics-and-data/statistics/statistics-by-theme/vital-events/general-publications/weekly-and-monthly-data-on-births-and-deaths/deaths-involving-coronavirus-covid-19-in-scotland

Key Findings

As at 11th October, there have been a total of 4,301 deaths registered in Scotland where the novel coronavirus (COVID-19) was mentioned on the death certificate.

The first mention of COVID-19 in a registered death certificate was the week beginning 16th March 2020.
Of the total number of deaths registered in week 41 (5th to 11th October), there were 25 where COVID-19 was mentioned on the death certificate, an increase of 5 from the previous week (28th September to 4th October). Deaths involving COVID-19 are at a slightly higher level now than in July and August, but much lower than at the height of the pandemic.

47% of COVID-19 deaths registered to date related to deaths in hospitals. 46% of deaths were in care homes and 7% of deaths were at home or noninstitutional settings.

After adjusting for age, people in the most deprived areas were 2.1 times more likely to die with COVID than those living in the least deprived areas.

Of those who died with COVID-19 between March and September, 92% had at least one pre-existing condition. The most common main pre-existing condition among those who died with COVID-19 was dementia and Alzheimer’s disease (31%), followed by ischaemic heart disease (13%).

Age-standardised death rates (adjusting for the age-structure of the population) were 43% higher for men than for women (168 vs 118 per 100,000 population for deaths occurring in March – September).

If the doctor is getting paid for ever supposed Covid death then we’re all be dying from Covid.

At what point did the government of the United Kingdom decide that we needed them to save us from the perils of life, however remote the risk?

Was there a moment when the public requested this help? Was it the formation of the welfare state, or the creation of the NHS? Did it happen later, perhaps in the wake of 9/11? I’m genuinely interested in people’s thoughts.

I for one do not feel the need for the government to hold my hand through life. I just want them to enforce a reasonable (and small) set of laws to ensure that we can function as a society with killing each other. And nothing else. I want to be served by them, not ruled by them.

I said this to my MP a couple of months ago. Their job may be to warn us of any potential risks but to take it upon themselves to take control of our lives to protect us is way beyond their remit.

I think it’s apparent this has nothing to do with the virus its about controlling us.

I want the government to get the hell out of my life and stay out!

Same with all the virtue signalling, including muzzles. I want no one protecting me.

If someone says to me I’m doing it for you I will reply “well I am specifically asking you not to!”

Great reply. I certainly don’t want anyone protecting me.

Hence why that NHS advert “I wear one to protect you. Please wear yours to protect me” is an abomination and a lie.

Couldn’t agree more. This level of control or responsibility is beyond their remit. But more and more people seem to expect protection from everything. I think it’s all part of the litigation culture and excessive health and safety.

The elites patronise the plebs. We are the unthinking, lumpen, blobs, who need protecting from ourselves and protection from them.

There wasn’t a single moment, it was a long slide towards dependency.

Does anyone have videos or first person reports of what’s going on in care homes or with the elderly?

The whole “it’s worth it to save just one life” thing is winding me up, because it’s an appeal to emotion that’s easily opposed when you’ve got elderly people who are literal prisoners at the moment. I feel like bombarding some of these people with what’s happening.

I’ve recently seen this video of a woman singing to her mother through a closed care home window:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcPMDkmKnH0&ab_channel=DianeMayhew

The video of a man being told to stop comforting his mother at the funeral of his father:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhV4oWthRas

This woman whose father is severely declining because he can’t see his family or even his wife who lives in the same care home (this is quite distressing):

https://twitter.com/talkradio/status/1314551428493574150

And this image:

If we could put together a bunch of these I think it could be quite helpful.

Heartbreaking. Can’t help with any personal info, did the rules change to allow visitors into care homes now, its extremely concerning.

Breach of human rights

That interview made me shake with rage. Anyone who supports these policies after listening to that… I don’t even have the words for them.

There’s this one:

https://sgetdotinfo.files.wordpress.com/2020/10/testimony-of-a-carer-during-covid-19.pdf

https://parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/6fb9ecbd-ab26-49d8-9a9f-dba49b605f05
See also yesterday’s Commons Select Committee, witnesses giving evidence about how carers and their respective mother with dementia, and a mentally handicapped daughter have been coping (or not) with lockdown. Hard to listen to.

It beggars belief (again). This from The Telegraph live feed:

Time circuit breaker with Christmas holidays, advisers say

Prof Medley added that any circuit-breaker should ideally be timed with school holidays to minimise disruption to education.

“So, half-term or potentially over Christmas,” he said. “You could even potentially add a week to the Christmas school holidays and potentially get some kind of three-week break, but the whole point is to reduce the prevalence before you actually have to do it.

“The reason that the lockdown (in March) worked, is because it separated households. “And that’s essentially what we’ve got to do is to make sure that the transmission doesn’t go from household to household, and two weeks is the minimum time.”

Prof Medley said thousands of deaths could be prevented up to January with a circuit-breaker but it was accurate to say that did not necessarily translate into lives saved in the long term.

The modelling paper written by Prof Medley and colleagues sets out that deaths could possibly reduce for the rest of the year from about 19,900 to 12,100. Hospital admissions could be reduced from 132,400 to 66,500.

A limited lockdown, with schools and shops open but hospitality venues closed, could potentially cut deaths to about 15,600, they said.

Prof Medley said lives would undoubtedly be saved through the NHS not becoming overloaded and by the health service being able to continue with other routine care, such as cancer treatments.

He agreed that several short circuit-breaks until a vaccine or better treatments arrived could also save lives in the long run.

“If you know there’s a vaccine coming and treatments are going to get better, which they probably are, then yes it will save lives,” he said.

Consider the last-but-one paragraph. So there you have it. Lockdowns ad-infinitum if this chump gets his way.

Yay, three weeks at home with the kids in the middle of winter with nothing for them to do?! Where do I sign up…?

This is problem.

Someone can just say that lockdown worked, when all the evidence shows the opposite, it gets put on a national paper, and the idea becomes more entrenched.

It really is the case that a lie repeated a thousand times eventually just becomes an accepted truth.

Welcome to the Covid Hoax

How do we know that cases went down in March due to lockdown rather than some other factor? The weather, or the effect of sunlight vitamin D levels, or some other factor? The causation that is assumed because of the correlation between lockdown and covid deaths seems like a statistics 101 mistake.

What is insidious is the use of a specific number like 15,600 to imply accuracy when in fact it is just guesswork at best (albeit with some mathematical calculations underneath). Of course they get around accountability with the use of the word “potentially” but they are well aware that it is likely to be interpreted as fact. It is disingenuous, bad science and downright dangerous.

Prof Meddlesome

I have just read the Medrxiv preprint and as I rather suspected, the model says nothing about saving lives in the long run. All that happens is that the “circuit break” postpones infections and deaths. Indeed, the model assumes that after the break, they continue to rise again at exactly the same level as before. This is nothing but “flattening the curve” as we had it the first time round. To say that the mode predicts saving any number of lives at all by January, or any other fixed date, is correct but irrelevant, unless you believe that something is going to happen on that future date that will change the dynamics of the infection.

More excellent comment from Sunetra Gupta on Great Barrington Declaration.
https://unherd.com/2020/10/matt-hancock-is-wrong-about-herd-immunity/?tl_inbound=1&tl_groups%5B0%5D=18743&tl_period_type=3

Great rebuttal by a true scientist at the top of her game. Unlike the thick corrupt totalitarian liar like Hancock. How dare he stand there and tell complete lies and half truths. Just what are his medical qualifications? Is he just making this shit up himself or is somebody spoon feeding him this bollocks?. Well, he can get away with it as most of the MPs are as thick as he is and will never try and find out the truth..

I’m not coming back to this comment, but I have a question for those (and there seem to be many here) who keep insisting that the situation in the UK is not the fault of British politicians, but that they are instead obeying the orders of shadowy globalists (presumably Gates and Soros, etc)

What is is that you think these people have on the government? Why would they be following someone else’s orders?

Does Gates have a pee-pee tape on Johnson? (As the Democrats alleged – with no evidence – that Putin had on Trump in the US?)

Why should Johnson follow the orders of “globalists”?

Johnson and the other British politicians are 100% responsible for this disaster. No one else. I am not a fan of Gates. I do not want forced vaccines. But he is not running the UK!

Gates has money. He may be able to buy influence. But he does not have an army at his command. If Johnson wanted to invade or bomb a country he could do so. Gates couldn’t.

If you think Gates and his ilk are running the show, then I’m sorry, but I think you are unhinged.

Please give it a rest. Everyone is well aware you don’t believe it’s a global situation, you don’t need to keep reiterating it day after day, post after post.

You’re probably wasting your time asking! Regarding politicians, stupid does as stupid does

A promise of untold riches!

The Fourth Industrial Revolution’
The 2017 Matt Handcock speech you didn’t know about. On the UKGov website.

https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/the-4th-industrial-revolution

“…And I’m delighted to speak alongside so many impressive colleagues who really understand this, and alongside Professor Klaus Schwab who literally ‘wrote the book’ on the 4th Industrial Revolution. Your work, bringing together as you do all the best minds on the planet, has informed what we are doing, and I’m delighted to work with you. …”

What do you think of that?

“What do you think of that?”

Brave Sir Robin has already said that he’s running away.

I think there are different variations of us lockdown sceptics and what we believe. I am unsure about the whole Gates and vaccine thing but be have to unite as lockdown sceptics no matter what and respect one another.

Me neither but it is all so surreal I can’t count anything out these days. The most surreal thing was Bozo talking about windmills – whoever would have thought that!!!!

Lol, seriously look. It’s not just Gates but he is a huge player, it’s not just the rockefella foundation, it’s not just the UN. it’s not just the WEF, it’s not just big pharma, it’s not just big tech , it’s not just almost every other country in the world doing the same covid meltdown
Do you see?
Yer its all about Boris and the cabinet and the rest of the UK government.

Where you are wrong, is that he does have an army at his command. It’s just a very different type of army than the one you are used to. It’s not soldiers in uniforms. It’s scientists in lab coats, academics in positions of “authority” and the leaders of groups such as the WEF and the WHO, while also having the ability to pop up on television for interviews and to spout his nonsensical views, seemingly whenever he desires.

Just look at the flow of money.

Our own Dim Witty through LSHTM received a grant of £31m.
He’s funded the WHO over $1.5bn.
He’s funded GAVI over $3.1bn.
Klaus Schwab has boasted of being on first name terms with Bill Gates and he’s been a constant staple of the WEF for years.

Why Bill Gates is even given any notice at all is solely down to money – he has absolutely no qualifications whatsoever – NONE. Let alone any medical, biological, scientific or epidemiological qualifications.

So your argument can be boiled down to this: Those who command armies and can “bomb a country” have more power than those who don’t. And those with weaker or no armies cannot really influence and manipulate those with bigger armies.

Religions have had huge influence without standing armies – or very limited ones.

The idea that influence is only achieved through brute force is rather simplistic and infantile.

Doesn’t mean that Gates is running the show. But he could still have an enormous amount of influence without commanding a standing army. And in fact clearly does.

Nick Clegg.

You’re right Johnson, the government and their advisers are to blame .Everything else is just letting them off the hook .There’s no hidden hand stopping him changing course tonight .But he won’t because he’s a cowardly ignorant fool and will know his time in power will come to an end .

The intellectual scepticism about ‘herd immunity’ is justified, and actually shared by a certain Mr. Tegnell.
Equally true is that without various immunities existing, there can’t ever be a vaccine.
Obvious is that lockdowns (and masks) didn’t and don’t work, that they are actually harmful with regard to lumiting infections and illnesses, and a sheer catastrophe, if all their collateral danage was included in
their assessment.
The suggestions of the GBD are therefore absolutely correct, as the Swedish experience shows, but its reasoning is also indeed flawed.
Not that it matters.
They and the sheep are hellbound on taking us down with them.

Indeed. Herd immunity was coined by the vaccine industry to motivate enough people to get a vaccine. Interesting development now that they play down the herd immunity concept. I wonder why?

The good thing is that there is no need for ‘herd’ immunity in Covid. Most of us have already been exposed to SARS viruses and our t cells have memory of them and will fight covid viruses should we get exposed to them. In addition, our immune systems will protect us against the onslaught. The more optimal your immune system the better protected you will be.

Hold on this seems to be a confusion in terms of classification of the term herd immunity.

So we can have immunity, T cells etc. However, it doesn’t mean a threshold can be reached that sees transmission of a virus become simply endemic and low level due to less ability to spread?

No, we don’t have herd immunity to the flu virus (which is actually an ever changing organism). We still get infected, many of us do, anyway. But most of us can cope with the infection.

I think herd immunity implies the absence of infection altogether.

You are unlikely to catch flu twice. A lot of “flu” is often something else.

Not true. Flu mutates so you catch a different strain. It’s an influenza virus. Covid 19 or SARS cov 2 is a coronavirus. These tend not to mutate as quickly as influenzas and rhino viruses.

So the fact that someone gets infected with SARS-CoV-2, and, in many cases develops an immune response, does that not lead to increased population immunity? And, the crucial question, would this be better done in the least vulnerable groups rather than locking down economies and destroying them? As the GBD suggests.

The overall goal is to reduce lives lost as a whole. Surely immunity plays a role here? The herd argument is a question. Of how much.

Sure, it can mutate. But does that always happen in one direction, i.e. that the next strain is just as virulent?

What seems rather apparent after seeing governments and health officials around the world flailing around imposing random measures based on half-baked ideas is exactly how little we actually know about microorganisms and their spread in humans.

We haven’t really advanced much in the last 150 years.

Herd immunity was coined by the vaccine industry to motivate enough people to get a vaccine.

If so, they were playing a very long game. The term dates back at least to 1920, when L.P. Beechy published a paper “ Abortion Disease in Cattle ” in Bulletin of the Ohio State University Agricultural College Extension Service vol.XVI

The most important factors in herd management as affecting the control of abortion disease are 1. Giving immediate attention to all symptoms. 2. Providing sanitary quarters. 3. Control of breeding activities. 4. Retention of heifer calves. 5. Retention in the herd of otherwise profitable cows. 6. Herd immunity. 7. Isolation of aborting cow. 8. Proper disposition of fetus and its membranes. 9. Disinfection of quarters. 10. Attention to feeding.

Herd Immunity.-The tendency of abortion disease is to run its course and gradually subside unless new, susceptible animals are introduced into the herd. The part that immunity plays in abortion disease is not thoroly understood. It cannot be said that a herd becomes absolutely immune, but practical experience has clearly established the fact that a herd will acquire a degree of immunity or tolerance of the disease not possessed by it when the disease first appeared. Establishing a so-called herd immunity can be accomplished by expert treatment of aborting cows and raising heifer calves instead of replenishing a herd by the purchase of mature cows. The establishment of herd immunity is a very effective method of reducing losses in infected herds. Not infrequently the disease abates as quickly as the onset was sudden.

Don’t know why you have such a fixation on trying to discredit the concept of herd immunity, but it’s not really open to question. It’s more of an evident fact about reality and the way our immune systems interact with pathogens. In most cases, once you’ve had a particular disease you are very unlikely to get it again for a while, and that fact in and of itself makes herd immunity a direct consequence..

You can argue about when and to what extent it applies in particular cases, or you can try to create a definition of it that is unachievable (such as zero infections), in order to use as a “straw man”, but general scepticism about it as a concept is intellectually questionable and of little use at the best of times. At the present time, it’s downright counterpoductive, as simply giving ammunition to the panickers and lockdowners.

Handjob denied herd immunity exists ,can you believe it I mean ffs

A while back there was a movie called The Age of Stupid with the late Pete Postlethwaite.

It was all about a world that hadn’t dealt with the “climate crisis” with a man in 2055 looking back on the world.

It seems the Stupid is already here.

In the Philippines there was a famous senator called Miriam Defensor Santiago. She had some brilliant quotes put in a book called Stupid is Forever and then a sequel called Stupid is Forevermore.

“All professionals in our country need to pass a government exam. Only a politician does not need any kind of preparation to practise”

Another:

“ There is no substitute for a reputation.
It is like virginity: once lost, it can never be recovered.”

The next pod will be out SOON! Vaccine madness!

Found on the EU patents Office website from 2015:

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20200903&CC=US&NR=2020279585A1&KC=A1

“ A method is provided for acquiring and transmitting biometric data (e.g., vital signs) of a user, where the data is analyzed to determine whether the user is suffering from a viral infection, such as COVID-19. “

How did they know what something would be called 5 years before it was “discovered”?

Video about it no longer available – what a surprise:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1N_oKcqhYA

But this non-English one does:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8V32yA9wUvQ

https://silview.media/2020/10/04/atomic-bombshell-rothschilds-patented-covid-19-biometric-tests-in-2015-and-2017/

I am giving this sort of stuff a wide bearth. Those patent records can be edited as time goes by. They maybe had patented a PCR test and added tie CV-19 reference later so it would be more appealing and show up in searches.

Obviously the Rothschikd name is a little errrrrrrrrr controversial

But an almost identical patent in the US in 2017 by the same person?

I agree it doesn’t prove much by itself but the coincidences are mounting up.

I think you are 100% right here. I’ve worked on similar databases. The records have been updated with a new description. Nothing sinister.

Glad someone knows how these things work.

Reading the 2017 article and links it looks like it was written and patented back then and it then sits in the background until the publish date comes along which was September 2020.

It’s a bit like there is a few years where the people who patented it can make some money, tweaks etc before it becomes public and others can make similar systems.

The filing date of the “Covid” patent is 03 Sept 2020. It claims a “priority date” of 13-Octo-2015 by reference of a related patent. To quote an EPO source

The priority date is the first date of filing of a patent application. It is essential for determining whether any subsequent application for the same invention can still be assessed as novel. It also makes it possible to determine whether the subject-matter of a patent application is prior art on a particular date. The priority date is, however, not necessarily the same as the filing date.

In this case, it seems that the 2015 patent “System and method for using processing and displaying biometric data” was the invention and the 2020 patent claims its applicability to Covid.

I put this as a comment on our “local” newspaper website (Leicester Mercury) and it has been marked awaiting moderation now disabled!
“Content disabled again LM why??
R T-PCR positive or with symptoms?
These are the questions you should be asking using FOI, these are the important numbers.
How many patients are there in Glenfield/LRI with definite diagnoses of Covid19 excluding patients who have tested postitive for SARS-COV-2 virus but are ill from from the virus covering the period 4th July 2020 to 14th October 2020 stratified into weeks and also by age?
How many people have died with a definite diagnosis of covid19 excluding people who have just tested positive for the virus?”
This is after the following comment was disabled
More fearmongering from the local press. These are RT-PCR test results not genuine cases.
These are the questions you should be asking, not simply parroting numbers from another website.
Use the FOI to ask the questions
How many patients are there in Glenfield/LRI with definite diagnoses of Covid19 excluding patients who have tested postitive for SARS-COV-2 virus but are ill from from the virus covering the period 4th July 2020 to 14th October 2020 stratified into weeks and also by age?
How many people have died with a definite diagnosis of covid19 excluding people who have just tested positive for the virus?

But that would be like, journalism…

The worst thing about this is that a second lockdown has been planned since the first. They knew prevalance would increase in the autumn, as all colds do, and with mass dodgy testing they could generate the numbers required. Actual context dosen’t matter when the sheep just keep swallowing scary MSM headlines and soundbites. After some inconvenient pushback over the past month, Smarmer is now playing tag-team to get it over the line. Meanwhile, the big players are confident enough in the smokescreen to openly reveal their true objectives.

Then they are going to be disappointed. The tide has turned.

Is it? Round here, I just see an obedient flock of sheep.

I think that’s still the case ‘on the ground’. But when you get popular TV presenters like Richard Madeley speaking out against the regulations, I think it means that things are starting to change.

They knew then the dates of the US elections. I was unconvinced, when I read somewhere back in March, that a lot of this panic was related to bringing down Trump. As we get nearer the date however, I’m now convinced this is part full blown culture war/part complete fuck up.

Boris actually said in the summer, he hoped things would improve after November.

Question is, what happens next?

The US vote is the ultimate litmus test, they need them on board to pull their plans off. Trump winning again will will be a massive blow, hence the increasingly desperate attacks.

You might enjoy listening to this lot:

https://www.youtube.com/user/X22Report/videos

Not sure how legit or sane he is and cannot vouch for his credentials or anything else but some of what he says gives me hope even if it is false hope.

Yep. They’ve been talking about a second wave since March, so it was obvious they were going to manufacture one.

I was unsure how they’d play it in regards to numbers – my assumption was they’d just lump in flu cases with corona, put that number as the big headline, and then only differentiate at the very end of the article, but it turns out that the test is so unreliable, it’ll just pick up flu as covid anyway!

As well as dog hair and a pavement.

Maybe a bit off topic but why socially distance cars?

https://nypost.com/2020/10/12/biden-speaks-to-30-cars-of-supporters-at-ohio-drive-in-rally/

Can cars catch covid-19?

Can covid-19 travel through metal and windows to infect passengers?

Hell of a virus if it can do that.

But if he is supposedly going o win the US election then I would have thought more than 30 would have trend up.

On no-one at this rally:

https://www.waynedupree.com/2020/10/biden-harris-az-campaign-event-empty/

or were they all socially distancing as well?

Can cars catch covid-19?
Yes.

You may laugh but my car caught covid-19. It stopped working, wouldn’t move from the driveway and started demanding that all other cars stay home too.

Coughed & spluttered a bit before starting, too?

My car has never had any taste.

My dog’s got no nose…

The government has made it illegal to examine a car engine to find out what is (really) wrong ith it.

Bit worried – Think my car may have Covid but is asymptomatic

Perhaps it’s just a bit hungover.

My car’s always suffered from long covid

My step daughters school have banned cars dropping kids off in the car park, because …. covid.

Wha??

In September, my council was saying drop pupils off by car if possible.
In October, they were saying actually don’t because of severe congestion around schools.