2020-10-19

The Cat pounces!!

Aging With Dignity.
No idea how big this group is but this appeared in my Google news feed this morning

Pt 2

Hi L

Dr Matt Strauss says public health “was not in favour” of lockdowns at the beginning of the coronavirus pandemic, telling Dan Wootton “it was kind of outraged social media mobs that forced their hand a little bit.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcTKeEvxv0Q

Since The Great Reset seems keen to divide and conquer whilst at the same time talking about pulling together and uniting and equalizing.. it pounced on George Floyd to push BLM.. it allowed XR protests..

I’m not saying this ‘beheading’ didn’t take place. But it sure seems possible it was contrived.. it seems convenient. Perhaps a false flag. Like the Nawal tusk. Improbable maybe. Like 911. Improbable definitely.

Assuming it did happen, while a tragedy for the victim and his family the press and politicians have wildly overreacted to the crime of a few nutters.
How many other people were murdered in France that day whose death is not worldwide news ?

20th Century: the two main causes of unnatural death, by far.
Death caused by other peoples governments ie war.
Death by your own government ie internal repression.

Solution = Ban Governments.

Hardly “a few nutters.” Say that to anyone who fought in Iraq.

??? none of the 911 terrorists came from Iraq. They hailed from Saudi Arabia , United Arab Emirates , Lebanon , and Egypt .


I believe she was referring to the beheading. I am not suggesting that the murderer came from Iraq. The reason I referenced Iraq is because people who have experience with Islamic Terrorists would get a pretty big chuckle (and not in a “ha ha” sort of way) out of the suggestion that this was just “one nutter.” Considering your own experiences w/ Islamic Terrorism (attacks, rapes, kidnappings, etc…) in the UK, I’m a bit surprised to see that minimized here.

If you illegally invade a sovereign State, you should expect its people to respond with violence.

Illegally? In that sense, I suppose all war is illegal… then again, so is terrorism.

I was referring to the beheading incident only, correction ‘one nutter’.

How can you say the press have overreacted? Brendan O’Neil has repeatedly pointed out in Spiked and on Insta, that normal press response to this type of Islamist attack is to light a candle or comment on the attacker’s poor mental health.

Candles yes.. but rarely mental health is used/mentioned in France.

Anarchy doesn’t work because some people are naturally more willing and able to wield power over others.

I think this happened all right. The murderer was a young Caucasian Muslim from Chechnya whose family had been granted asylum in France years ago. He was known for “crimes of delinquence” but as far as the authorities were aware, he was not an Islamic radical. No doubt we’ll learn more in the next few days.

The Chechens have form in this kind of brutal murder:
“The 1998 abduction of foreign engineers took place when four United Kingdom-based specialists were seized by unidentified Chechen gunmen in Grozny, the capital of the unrecognized secessionist Chechen Republic of Ichkeria (ChRI). After more than two months in captivity, all four men were found brutally murdered, reportedly following a failed rescue bid. As of 2009, no one has been tried in this case.”
If I remember correctly, the men were beheaded after being starved and tortured, and their bodies dumped.

As the Irreverends pointed out in their Friday podcast, BLM don’t care about real black lives. People in Africa are brung plunged into dire poverty, and in some places actual starvation, as a direct and/or indirect consequence of lockdown policies. IMO, in fact, you could argue that lockdowns are racist.
While BLM shriek because an eighteenth-century philosopher once wrote an allegedly racist footnote.

BLM is about undermining America and capitalism, like most far left organisations.
Much of the money raised in the name of BLM has been siphoned off to the Democrats and Biden presidential campaign.

I couldn’t disagree more – to me the killing of Samuel Paty for teaching freedom of speech to his students and the lead-up complaints from parents for doing this in a country that heralded the enlightenment is another wake-up call for us to have a grown up discussion about how we preserve freedom of speech and avoid totalitarianism in the west. IMV it’s the biggest battle of our time. And this conspiracy theory stuff unfortunately obfuscates and waters down the real protest that we should be engaged in.

Noble thought Stew but freedom of speech in Europe was abandoned when every single newspaper of note declined to reprint the Danish Mohammed cartoons out of fear.

What makes you so sure it was about fear of terrorists rather than just not wanting to be arseholes?

Why should printing cartoons that mock all sides and politicians make someone an ar**hole?? Nothing should be beyond being mocked. All totalitarians hate being mocked because it undermines their power, and Islam is no different. If people laugh at them, they can’t control people through fear.

Some conspiracies are true.

But not all of them.

People on this site can’t stomach media fakery even though it’s the driving force behind the covid hoax.

Well, yes. We hate being lied to.

Never mind the Bollocks

Loca live online
“A doctor says the four main hospitals are filling up, the Nightingale and community wards are being readied for Covid action again.
The GP warns of a Second Wave of Coronovirus which he compares to a Tsunami.
The wave is coming fast and we should take action so I felt the need to share a video of the Thailand Tsunami that Killed 230,000 in 2004 which starts with them shouting

‘it’s coming again ’

The Doctor said he only knew of one Covid death in the town”.

Yeah, ramp that fear up Doc.

Why do they keep bringing up the Nightingales? The one in Cardiff is already being dismantled as we speak.

The one in Scotland is also being dismantled. When I pointed this out in a comment in the National, I was told that there was no such thing as a Nightingale Hospital in Scotland – it was the Louisa Jordan hospital, named after some Scottish woman. Yes, but why make a fuss over the naming of a hospital if it doesn’t have any patients? I’m afraid that’s the level of debate I’m up against when I try to bring some sense to the comment section in the National.

Yeah have heard of that one. Its in Glasgow isn’t it? And from what I’ve heard it never had any patients at all.

Although another temporary wing is being built at the Grange Hospital at a cost of £33million!

He also said that people should wear masks outside and that asthma and COPD were no excuse. Sadly, I think the reputation of the medical profession is going to be severely damaged after this, as a result of these nutters. We will be back to the old pre NHS days when people believed that it was safer to stay away from doctors and out of hospital.

I would never trust a doctor after this and would refuse to see them again ever. This crisis has shown up the profession for who they truly are.

Whatever happened to “first do no harm?”

surely it should be first: do some good FFS!

I agree, Bart. I don’t intend to voluntarily see a doctor again.

The way things are being set up you will find it very hard to see a doctor and to get into hospital

You can almost believe this is their purpose, to kill off as many people as they can.

Georgia Guidestones?

My experience is that the NHS has always been focussed on triage. A few people get world-beating treatment but many are considered not to deserve proper diagnosis or adequate treatment.

First you have to get past the receptionist to see a GP, then if you are lucky you can get referred to a specialist, who mostly seem to know what they are doing.

A consultant where I used to live told me they were really pissed off with the local “health centre” causing msdiagnoses, missed diagnoses and late diagnoses. In the end a couple of young hospital doctors started an alternative GP practice and the difference was like chalk and cheese. He advised me to join quickly before their lists got full.

Didn’t help the people who were fobbed off with excuses, told their symptoms were psychosomatic or hypochondria, and when the cancer or heart disease was finally diagnosed it was too late. I have lots more stories like that which way outnumber the successes.

Haha getting past the receptionist can often be the most difficult stage…

Indeed, I’m one of those stories. Permanently disabled, because not only did they fob me off when I needed medical attention… they fucking poisioned me at the same time. (And yes, there’s multiple investigations going on, though I expect nothing will come of it).

Never ever ever trust the NHS protocol. As far as I’m concerned, they exist to murder as many people as they can.

I will add though, I finally have a good GP, and I’m pretty grateful for that, but he is the exception, not the rule!

That’s because they are paid by the number of patients on their books rather than what they do for you (except numerous bonus schemes like statins and vaccines)

When I look back on my childhood when doctors wore white coats and stethoscopes and nurses were immaculately groomed with starched uniforms black tights and laced up shoes the hospitals were spotlessly cleaned and smelled of disinfectant and Matron ruled the wards, oh how times have changed and not for the better!

I worked for the NHS for many years and was horrified at the waste, theft (almost considered a perk of the job), corruption and fraud. You could double the funding and most would leave via the back door. I believe they had their debts cancelled so what on earth are they spending their funding now because it certainly isn’t being spent on patients. In my area the Heath Centre is firmly locked, despite it having 3 floors and plenty of room for distancing. Even getting a GP to phone you can take 2 weeks of effort. All cancer checks and blood tests cancelled. The only thing you can enter the hallowed ground to have is a flu jab (no thanks) because they are paid extra to do them.

Many heart felt complaints here about locked surgeries and withdrawal of services. Mine continues to function, albeit no entry without appointment. Certainly not locked up. I’m wondering if this is worse in big cities, particular area of the country? Or is it when a GP practice operates from 2 or more sites and has closed one of them, maybe premises unsuitable for the onerous one- way systems they’re supposed to observe? Have people complained to the CCG, what answers are they getting?

My GP is behind locked doors. Even getting anyone to answer the phone can take several days. Then an unqualified receptionist quizzes you on your problem and then she decides if you warrant a call back, That can take up to 2 weeks. I wrote to my MP, Sajid Javid, and he completely ignored every question I asked and just told me to ring my GP or NHS 111 and he assured me (in a very badly executed ‘cut and paste’ letter with some text missing from paragraphs) that they ‘are taking care of us’. I was so annoyed I scrawled my opinions on his letter, put it back in an envelope and wrote ‘return to sender’ on the envelope and sent it back to him.

Not for the better? Pure romantic nostalgia. Male life expectancy – ‘By the 1950s it had risen to about 65. Things improved more slowly in the late 20th century but by 1971 life expectancy for a man in Britain was 68. For a woman it was 72. In 2015 life expectancy was 79 for a man in the UK and 83 for a woman’.

How life expectancy is counted matters. The rise in life expectancy is often due to reduced child mortality.

Plus fewer deaths from war and industrial disease.

It’s hard to tell the difference between the nurses and the cleaners these days. My mum a retired nurse of 25 years despairs as to how far we have fallen from the matron days.

I’ve believed in staying away from doctors and out of hospital for the past 10 years, since I moved to a different part of the country. I didn’t register with a new NHS doctor so haven’t had one since I moved. My dentist is private.

That’s disgusting. Does he want hospitals full of asthma and COPD patients. A friend with COPD was told at a hospital that wearing a mask was dangerous for her.

From day one my local pub complied with every stupid rule that was heaped on them

The initial forced closure

Then when they reopened; one way systems, track and trace, hand gunk etc

Then in recent weeks the final humiliation of face nappies and being zapped with a thermometer on entry

The reward for all this jumping through hoops? Next Friday the dictatorship will force them to close again

This time they will not reopen

I stopped going at the face nappy stage

This week I was speaking to the landlady in the street. She told me how one of the elderly customers who lives on his own wept when he was allowed back in the pub after the first lockdown

Yes, he fucking wept, and now they are going to do it to him again

He will most probably commit suicide this time around

So where did all this compliance and obeying the law get them?

Yes, I think this is a problem for the zealots, now. It is obvious that six months of sacrifice has clearly achieved nothing . People can now see that extending the measures further can only achieve the same thing. It’s a shame they actually had to go through the first six months before working that out, of course.

Utterly totally agree.
Virtually every country in the world has imposed varying degrees of draconian lockdown measures and achieved F A and has probably make the situation far worse, even the most extreme lockdown fanatics know this.
HERD IMMUNITY IS THE ONLY WAY.

The Great War was supposed to be over by Christmas.
And we all know how that turned out. Four years of carnage.
This isn’t the first (nor sadly the last) time people are led down a very bad road by their national leaders.

Th carnage will be much greater this time unless we find a way of taking back government from the thugs.

Can’t locate where I read this, maybe I got it wrong, but I think some group of researchers had calculated there were presently 50,000 infected persons – and the numbers are doubling every week! At that rate it will be all be over by Christmas – because we’ll all have got it!

So where did all this compliance and obeying the law get them? – it’s got us and them nowhere as circuit breakers, tier 1,2,3 crap was on the agenda from day 1, following the rules has been pointless, very few people could see it coming and thought donning a mask would save them from the tyranny to come. Masks are a symbol of compliance and torture. Bit late now

Give way to a bully and he’ll bully you worse.
My mum told me that when I was five.

Mine did too!

I hate the people who collude with this, they are complicit with many deaths, deaths due to the restrictions.

They have blood on their hands.

The mask-wearers.

They are allowing this to happen.

Unfortunately you will still get people who think that others are selfish and if only they obeyed the rules it will be over. It hasn’t sunk into their brains that lockdowns, social distancing, masks, T&Ts and the like don’t work and cause more problems than they solve.

They don’t realise that they have blood on their hands through their slavish adherence to the rules.

They’re so far gone that I think the only way they will wake up are through the following:

• redundancies
• bankruptcies
• illnesses then find that they can’t see a doctor or get treatment
• can’t visit parents or grandparents
• tax raids on pensions and savings
• fall in value of savings and pensions
• mum & dad can’t bail them out

Anything else I’ve missed?

The banks close, power cuts, and starvation

Funny thing is some of the lockdownistas I know lived through the winter of discontent. Looks like they’ve forgotten that.

This is far,far worse than the winter of discontent.

That is so very true. It’s not dawned on most and even some of those who comment on this site, that we are now all in a fight for very lives. The whole lockstep global Covid fiasco is about massive depopulation and anyone with a half clear head should be able to see that by now. The main culling tool will be the unlicensed, hardly tested, liability free and highly experimental vaccines and will be made compulsory, if they think they can get away with it.

Starvation in an unheated quarantine camp?

And hyperinflation.

Being stuffed into an old folks home and never being allowed to see your relatives. By then, the penny will drop and they’ll realise it is too late.

Yep. Or in the case of what Peter Hitchens have written, a minor illness that’s not caught before its too late and the doctors can’t do anything.

It will have to be some combination of those BUT not too gradually. Otherwise, people will just adapt. There has to be an element of shock to the system that triggers a revolt.

Agree. I think the end of furlough could trigger a revolt given the forecast is now that several thousands of jobs will go in the run up to Christmas.

And don’t forget too the businesses that will shut and go bankrupt.

So true. It was like the last recession, only those personally affected understood the true hardship it caused.

The pubs in Tier 2 areas have been given a choice.They either enforce the rules and die or they go down the route of the Liverpool gym owner.

Unfortunately, they are too few in number to make a difference if they defy the lockdown rules. They’re too easy to pick off by the authorities and made examples of.

There are about 3 police cars and one meat waggon allocated to the area I live. There are way more than 3 pubs

They would only have to report them to the Council who would use it to revoke their licence.

True

The English closure comes on the same day Scottish pubs are due to reunopen after two weeks of closure presently. At least it will be blatantly clear on the day they are closed in England it will be much longer than the two weeks. I wonder how many will realise the game is up their livelilhoods are gone.

I believe its a deliberate attack on pubs which is seen as part of the British way of life.

Hard to disagree with this. Given the total lack of evidence that pubs and restaurants are driving transmission, you really do have to question the motivation.

Who need evidence?

Well, quite.

its commonsensical.

As previously mentioned the anti-alcohol crowd are using lockdown to further their agenda.

The dangers of lockdown is that they can be used to get rid of things people don’t like. If people are anti alcohol, lockdowns can be used to get rid of pubs. I have argued that there is an element of social engineering in lockdown measures and one aim is to isolate people from each other and prevent people interacting with each other. One way of achieving this is to destroy businesses where people socialise such as pubs. It is blatantly obvious pubs have been heavily targeted. Look at the measures imposed on pubs.

• Forced to spend months closed in lockdowns.
• Forced to close at 10.00 pm depriving pubs of income.
• When initially allowed to open, pubs could only offer outdoor service which meant less income.
• Rules were imposed on how many could go to pubs and with who.
• Local lockdown rules which prevents people travelling to pubs outside their areas.
• Imposing stupid rules and closing them if they don’t follow them.

One theory behind lockdown is to ensure big companies have a monopoly. If pubs go bust, supermarkets and online sellers get increased alcohol sales.

We’d previously lost a lot of village pubs. The ones that remained concentrated on food, especially local stuff, and real ale. I suspect a lot of those that remain will also close in due course.

https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6202103436001

Sky news Australia

18/10/2020|9min
Sky News host Rowan Dean says people cannot be surprised when the same “authoritarian elitists” who impose lockdowns in order to reach ‘COVID normal,’ enforce the same drastic restrictions to reduce carbon dioxide.

Mr Dean pointed to the ‘Great Reset’ a supported by the IMF, the World Economic Forum, and the UN and aims to “by their own admission” use the tools of COVID suppression and adapt them to the “so-called crisis of climate change”.

“By their own admission the Great Reset aims to use all the tools of Covid suppression such as lockdowns, curfews and enforced business closures and adapt them to the so-called ‘crisis’ of climate change,”

Mr Dean said. “Remember, this isn’t me saying that we are going to switch from the COVID crisis to the climate crisis, this is them saying it, again and again and again.

And every time any member of the public says this, e.g. by text or call to a radio station, they’re dismissed out of hand. Even stations like Talk Radio, who are mainly very sceptical, will not engage with this.
As you posted “this is them saying it, again and again and again.”
But we’re dismissed as conspiracy theorists.

When did a thermometer n entry become a government rule/law? Seen hairdressers do it, dentists to, but is it a rule/law r the decision of the business?

It isn’t a legal obligation, these businesses are just collaborating with the enemy.

Johnson and Hancock have blood on their hands – How do they live with themselves. This Poor elderly man – I imagine one of thousands —The People, business’s en masse need to just say NO we are not doing this.. Sadly after looking a them on my high st today pulling bit of rag out of their pockets and bags to put on their faces just to enter the coffee shop then take them off when they sat down – I cannot see them rebelling anytime soon….and people like this elderly gentleman will be isolated, lonely and obviously very depressed…… I am heartbroken to read about it.

Yes indeed, some owners and managers of pubs deserve everything that’s coming to them by way of bankruptcy and redundancy. One of the biggest pubs, near home, had all its staff in face masks from the day it reopened in June after the initial disastrous lockdown. I rarely went there after that and found somewhere else a little less intimidating. With the latest mask stupidity and ten o’clock curfew I have stayed away from all of these dens of stupidity and humiliation. They all so very much deserve to go broke.

Re ICU beds in Manchester

Even the Guardian article contains this…

A spokesperson for the NHS in Greater Manchester said: “We are monitoring the situation with our hospital admissions, overall beds and ICU beds very, very closely. It’s not unusual for 80-85% of ICU beds to be in use at this time of year and our hospitals work together if there are particular pressures in any one area, to ensure the best care for patients who need the high level of support ICU provides, both for Covid and for other reasons.”

I remember reading an article in (probably) The Spectator just as this whole nonsense was beginning to kick off, around early March. It mentioned that ICU capacity was around 4,000 and ran at about 80% in normal times. I thought to myself “that sounds about right”. If you’re running at much lower than 80%, you’re wasting resources. If I’m standard times you’re running at 90%, you have too little surge capacity.

In other words, the situation is that the hospitals are hardly any more full than they normally would be in the summer, let alone the respiratory disease season.

The Guardian might be waking up. They published this letter on Friday 16th Oct. despite a general anti herd immunity line.

Professor Jeremy Dale takes issue with Matt Hancocks views on herd immunity.

“It is depressing that we have a Health Secretary who does not understand let alone understand herd immunity . . .

(Goes on to explain how it works for malaria, the flu and particularly measles)

By wrongly suggesting that herd immunity is impossible for measles Matt Hancock has shot himself, and us, in the foot.
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Prof Jeremy Dale
Glossop
Derbyshire.”

The guardian’s not waking up. Just allowing the odd article to counter the propaganda.

Yes, just like the free Metro rag, in which the letters page usually has about ten pro-lockdown contributions to every one against.

Yes, The Guardian and all MSM – they’re gas lighting us.

The Guardian is basically turned itno a Gb version of Pravda..I used to subscribe to the Guardian, back in he halcyon days where it still had journalism. Even before this whole Plandemic it was all just oppressions, patriarchy, man are the worst, feminism, more feminism, did we write anything about feminism?, Trump is a nazi, brexiters are all scumm..so a delightful piece of shit..Now it’s even worse. For me , if it’s in the Guardian, it’s worse than fake news. Its UBER WOKE FAKE NEWS!

The Guardian is POISON. Avoid it.

Quite a good jazz critic, John Fordham – does he still contribute? Other than him it’s largely unreadable for anyone sane.

Agreed. A decade ago it was my go to for news of a UK focus and now I can’t even spend few minutes on their front page. The wokness is unbearable!!

Oops ‘does not underestimate let alone believe in’.

The Guardian report says that 211 of 257 critical care beds in Manchester are occupied. The population of Manchester is 2,820,000, instead of spending all his efforts trying to lever more cash for a lockdown why is the Mayor not berating the local NHS for not getting better organised? With a budget of £129 billion one would have thought that NHS England could re-deploy a few resources and establish a few more critical care facilities.
211 critical care patients represents 0.0075% of the Manchester population, if that is overwhelming the NHS then I want my £129 billion money back!

The whole time hundreds of billions should have gone on future proofing the NHS by permanently expanding and sorting out how to get more staff. But no, that would be sensible!

I wonder how many of the people currently occupying ICU beds would in previous times have been considered beyond intervention and would have been given palliative care only.

Is a positive test for SARS-CoV-2 now a golden ticket to an ICU bed?

The median age for entry into a critical care bed with COVID19 is 62 . Half of all patients are in the range 51-70. 9/10 of these patients are able to live without daily assistance and only 1/10 are classed as having very severe comorbidities. That is not old compared with normal life expectancy.

https://www.icnarc.org/DataServices/Attachments/Download/8fee8e2a-d50f-eb11-912b-00505601089b

Table 1.

That’s a comprehensive report, thanks!

INARC make the ONS look rather amateurish in comparison.

Don’t believe what you hear about the ONS. They are meticulous and thorough. The methods they use and standards they adhere to are first rate. How others choose to interpret their work is another matter entirely! Always go to the source. The responsible statistician normally adds a comment on any report of note.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/

I was referring more to their actual report output, rather than their methods. I’ve been a spreadsheet jockey for 25 years and I find their reports messy and hard to use.

That’s a fair point. The datasets they use are made into XL sheets for public release and consumption. That is a pain to be honest!

Congratulations to the organisers of the local protests in Croydon and Hull
‘If it saves one victim of propaganda’

What do the Police in Hull know that the Met do not ?

Hull doesn’t have Fetida Dick urging the police and public to persecute non-zombies.

Or khan as mayor, although he is a puppet and pointless.

That’s because they saw what other police forces did and sensibly thought that they shouldn’t fall into the same trap.

Wish I had known about that – I would have joined it!

California school district refusing to set grades because it’s racist.

“California rates 46th in 8th grade test scores despite having 5 of the richest 10 counties in the USA, it has 77 billionaires but 20 of the population lives below the poverty line.

60% of students entering university need remediation* (except they got rid of that word) yet it has more top universities than any nation except the US.”
(Victor Davis Hanson, Two States of California).

Failure to properly educate the next generation is not going to level this inequality.

*means they can’t read and write or do math.

It won’t get any better when Biden gets in .

If not when!

Meanwhile the Chinese go in the opposite direction with school getting progressively harder and more demanding all the time.

I wonder which system will win out…

What does China’s Belt and Road Initiative mean for Europe? | DW News

 ://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DRk8iqjm1E

From the Ontario doctor referenced above:

“As a medic, my verdict is clear: mandatory government lockdowns amount to a medical recommendation of no proven benefit, of extraordinary potential harm, that do not take personal values and individual consent into account. Physicians who call for their use should hearken back to these core planks of their ethical training.”

Well said, Doctor. Except that we aren’t getting a recommendation, we are getting a mandate supported by lies, terror and multiple threats.

What’s the principal plank of a politician’s ethical training? FORGET ABOUT ETHICS, presumably.

Similarly if masks are classified as a medical device (why not, if they work?) how can they be administered without the consent of the ‘patient’.

On the lead story, RT was reporting that Macron was drafting in 12,000 extra plod to enforce the covid policies.

How convenient. A terror attack to further distract and torment and disorientate. Paris gets its Reading.

“Freedom of expression, freedom to teach”

This is strong in us all. We want that innate freedom. The image above shows everyone united in France; our need for freedom cannot be conquered. It cannot be squashed. It’s primal.

Hold on to that everyone. We will win!

Islam can be wacky. But not all terror attacks or police killings are real or as described. The belated ‘leaked’ videos of George Flloyd show a man resisting arrest. For ages. And ages. This beheading there is again talk of those Charlie cartoons – the likes of which will be banned in the new twitter normal. For the moment though, divide and conquer. Sow the seeds of division Klaus Barbie will fix.

War is peace.
Freedom is masks and lockdown and furlough
Division/distraction is our/their strength

Watch the birdy! Look over there!

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The phrase ‘Je suis faux drapeau’ springs to mind.

Without freedom of expression, there is no teaching, only indoctrination.

I think that is what I meant to say. Thanks Ann. That’s what I meant x

Re: Andy Burnham’s requested commons vote on the Manchester situation fiasco; the country should hold a referendum/vote on the whole lockdown.
Not holding my breath though.

Then Parliament can debate our “real” intentions and stand either on a “hard”, or “soft” lockdown, while talking about it for four years plus.

Exactly. That’s all these bloody idiots do: talk/waffle. And that’s why none of them would last two seconds in the real commercial world.

I’m a grafter/a doer. Can’t stand meetings (that’s why I hate the BID – all they ever do is frigging waffle and have ego-boosting meetings).

Message to MPs, just get things bloody done, you idiots.

And when they do things they’re the wrong things

Isn’t that how Switzerland has resisted lockdown? Direct democracy?

Once elected in the UK you have a dictatorship that cannot be touched for five years. Coups are even possible.

Could you tell me about the situation in Switzerland?
Genuine question.
PS:What does BID stand for?

Business ‘Improvement’ District. The inverted commas are intentional.

It is basically made up of a load of ego-trippers, waffling on about nothing and charging businesses for the privilege. For this pile of nonsense, we are charged a tax levy. Last Christmas, their big idea was to have grown men dressed up as elves wandering around the town trying to drum up trade for the town’s businesses.

Sounds like non jobs made up by the council to employ people who can’t hack it in the real world.

Oh no, it’s made up of business owners but implemented by the local council.

Someone (a BID sceptic councillor) suggested I try to get elected to the board to infiltrate it and destroy it from within. But, with limited time off, I thought do I really want to spend my time listening to that kind of dreary, soul-sapping management-consultant-speak crap.

The CEO of our BID worked for a big local estate agent before she moved into the BID. A young woman in her late 20’s early 30’s. I wrote to the BID then her a couple of times complaining about the mental covid rules. Pointless.
Purple Idiots

Fingerache, do you want to know about the political system in Switzerland or Corona?
I watch an independent journalist based in Switzerland, who has become quite of a hero in Germany.
Switzerland government had a meeting yday to vote about further restrictions, as +test rise, but like everywhere, no significant illness and deaths.
Still they voted to introduce more face covering wearing, so far it was public transport, now also public buildings and shops.
Assembly numbers have been reduced to 15, even outside.(curbing demos).
The regions have quite an autonomy and have varied rules depending on their numbers.

Someone here at LS said lockdown measures in Switzerland were devolved to the Cantons; some hard some soft, same result.

Can you imagine the fear porn that would hail down on us from the media and advertising. Brexit was bad enough, but this would be wall to wall imagery of death, pestilence, and Armageddon.

I just got a flyer for a local Care Home with the message;

XXXXXXX care home in your neighbourhood
Rooms available!

I bet there is. Can someone please wake me up from this nightmare? I want to go back to 1980.

Sorry, you can’t, because we’re living in 1984.

I smiled ruefully when I realised that the act of Parliament that’s being used as legal cover for this shit-show was passed in 1984.

Rooms available, come and die.

Or even ‘come and be isolated, lonely and then die.’

Next steap,come and die and we will turn you into Soylent Green!

To be honest, you would have to be either completely heartless or completely desperate to put a relative in a care home these days.

It would be tantamount to sending them off to die in virtual solitary confinement.

Same is true of letting an old person go to hospital.. we don’t let the old die at home. Once the NHS has its claws in.. say sleepy morphine bye bye.

Euthanasia by starvation AKA Liverpool Care Pathway

Crystal ball time. When will our taxes rise to pay for the Corona cock up?

I wish it were as simple as a few tax rises.

Now and forever until the end of time.

I think we should press a button at the treasury and effectively cancel the debt by instantly paying it off. I think we could get away with that.

Alas you may be partially correct. The governments debt may well be cancelled to some extent so if you are expecting any sort of state pension In the future or have any government stocks be very afraid… and of course this is just the starting point.

Even if we get out of this it will be austerity forever

The shortage of critical beds, hospital beds in general, indeed shortage of school places at the best state schools, are all prime examples on the incompetence of state provision.

A private hospital would apply the principle of marginal costing and plan for, say, 25% more beds than it estimates it really needs.

If those beds stay empty, they don’t cost the hospital anything in marginal costs, fixed costs remain the same.

Same with private schools.

That is one good reason why there is a hospital beds crisis every year in this country: poor public sector central planning.

And that is why Democratic Socialist ‘Big State’ Britain isn’t working.

If Britain does not reform and reduce the size of the public sector, economic, political and social stagnation, the root cause of the ridiculous predicament in which we now find ourselves, will continue. And this kind of stupidity will happen again and again ad infinitum…..

It does indeed beggar belief that an NHS with a budget of £129 million and around 1.3 million staff is overwhelmed with 211 critical care cases in one of our major cities. As we have seen with this virus hoo-haa the Government are control freaks and want to micromanage everything but they are poor managers and fail. Clearly the situation with the NHS in Manchester suggests the current system is not delivering a good result for the money and needs reformation.

I think you meant £129 BILLION.

You must mean £129 BILLION.

For that, the UK would need to start electing as its leaders properly competent people as opposed to toffs with the gift of the gab and degrees in classics.

‘A private hospital would apply the principle of marginal costing and plan for, say, 25% more beds than it estimates it really needs’. You mean like 42 US hospitals, which are declaring bankruptcy because the reduction in elective surgery (because Covid) means their business plan no longer works? That’s so super efficient- no wonder it’s not a system the UK adopted, poor private sector planning indeed:
https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/finance/42-hospitals-closed-filed-for-bankruptcy-this-year.html

World facing new Bretton Woods moment: IMF MD Kristalina Georgieva

“We know what action must be taken right now. A durable economic recovery is only possible if we beat the pandemic. Health measures must remain a priority. I urge you to support production and distribution of effective therapies and vaccines to ensure that all countries have access,” Georgieva said.
She urged countries to continue support for workers and businesses until a durable exit from the health crisis.
“We have seen global fiscal actions of USD 12 trillion. Major central banks have expanded balance sheets by USD 7.5 trillion. These synchronised measures have prevented the destructive macro financial feedback we saw in previous crises,” she said.
“But almost all countries are still hurting, especially emerging market and developing economies. And while the global banking system entered the crisis with high capital and liquidity buffers, there is a weak tail of banks in many in emerging markets. We must take measures to prevent the build-up of financial risks over the medium term, she said.

“Beyond this, where debt is unsustainable, it should be restructured without delay. We should move towards greater debt transparency and enhanced creditor coordination. I am encouraged by G-20 discussions on a Common framework for Sovereign Debt Resolution as well as on our call for improving the architecture for sovereign debt resolution, including private sector participation, she said.
Georgieva said that to reap the full benefits of sound economic policy, they must invest more in people. That means protecting the vulnerable. It also means boosting human and physical capital to underpin growth and resilience, she argued.
“Just as the pandemic has shown that we can no longer ignore health precautions, we can no longer afford to ignore climate change…We focus on climate change because it is macrocritical, posing profound threats to growth and prosperity. It is also people-critical and planet critical, said the IMF MD.

https://www.financialexpress.com/economy/world-facing-new-bretton-woods-moment-imf-md-kristalina-georgieva/2106440/

Part of the problem not the solution

Basically saying what we all know.The Western Governments have spent so much money on Covid that it can never be paid back.
Bretton Woods is where the UK ceded control to the USA.
A new one is where the USA cedes control to China.This is the aim of the WEF as well

Digital SDR ?

https://www.omfif.org/2019/10/digital-sdr-to-enhance-payment-systems/

https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-usa-fed-powell-idUKKBN2702YL

What pointless drivel.

We have to stop the virus. Let’s get a vaccine.
Oh, and we need to sort out the economic impact
And the mounting debt which is becoming unsustainable.
Oh, and climate change, we need to make sure we tackle climate change.
Oh yeah, and let’s protect the vulnerable.
And invest in people.

This moron is just vomiting out the talking points and buzz words swirling around in her brain that she’s picked up from endless conferences and meetings of the global leadership cadre.

Jesus we are so screwed. To think that people like this have a platform and might have actual influence is such a sobering thought.

It’s why they are in those positions. Empty suits. They speak the lingo. Put 50p in the meter and you’re good to go.

“ … too many calls by other speakers threatening to quit if you were there. They all complained about your COVID claims ”.

The crowning turd on the shitpile of modern western culture. The logical debased conclusion of cowardly fear of covid combined with leftist cancel culture – if you don’t like what someone says, try to make sure they can’t say it again, or at least, that nobody can hear it if they do. Hide your head under the pillow and the nasty thing will go away.

So called scientists brought up in cancel culture. The essence of anti-science, and of unreasoning bigotry.

I’d like to know the full story behind this and who funded it. As it stands, it only sounds like part of the story.

What is it you suspect is missing?

The conference is here:

https://www.biodesign-conference.com/index.php

Organizers : The conference is organized by Stanford University, the University of Warwick, and BioDesign Research (BDR), a Science Partner Journal of The American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS).
Conveners : The joint conveners are Dr. Alfonso Jaramillo (University of Warwick, UK), Dr. Stanley L. Qi (Stanford University, USA), and Dr. Xiaohan Yang (Oak Ridge National Laboratory, USA), who are the Editors-in-Chief of BDR.

The quote in Levitt’s tweet seems pretty clear-cut:

“ “ … too many calls by other speakers threatening to quit if you were there. They all complained about your COVID claims ”. “

The sort of thing that happens in other such cases is that the organizers are leant upon, and/or have already sold out. Basically an institution accepts funding under certain terms, which include the imposition of all politically correct positions – the most obvious example being they have to promote the ‘carbon dioxide is evil’ mantra.
I guess I’m talking about the Long March Through the Institutions.
When it comes to the point, it turns out that the organizers had no genuine complaints – or only one – or from people who have already accepted funding.
There is a fairly recent relatively well-known example, but with so much going on I can’t bring it to mind.

Yes, it’s quite possible something like that happened, or even just that the organisers wanted to veto him themselves and made up the supposed “list” of people complaining.

Doesn’t make it smell any less noxious.

Seen this sort of thing before with low carb diets. People being deplatformed, unable to publish and even being prosecuted.

If you only read the MSM you will know nothing of
Annika Dhalqvist who was prosecuted in Sweden but presented ebough evidence that the government backed down (go Sweden!) Tim Noakes in South Africa who was prosecuted and found not guilty, the dieticians demanded a retrial and he was found not guilty again, Gary Fettke in Australia . . .

. . . it has gradually improved, even the big journals no longer veto publication but still I read recently of someone who was told “of course” he could have a grant for the low fat arm of his study but “if” he wanted a low carb arm he would have to finance it himself.

Lots of money in low fat diets and the necessary medications of course, but also reputation and behind it all the Seventh Day Adventists

Well done on that turn of phrase!

And yes, sadly, I agree. We’re entering a new Dark Age.

Don’t forget whilst MP’s are pushing for lockdownds, redundancies, suicides etc. They have just been given a nice pay rise and they will continue to collect their salaries.

This is the MPs way of telling us the public to “let them eat cake” while we’re suffering the effects of lockdown, social distancing and masks.

When this shitshow is over, this should never be allowed to happen again.

The number of MPs should be slashed – why the feck do we need 600 odd of them?

Slash their pay – minimum wage only, no expenses and absolutely no pensions when they stand down or lose their seats.

It’s supposed to be public service right? So let them put their money where their mouths are.

If they don’t like it then don’t stand. Should weed out those who are in it only for the money and networking opportunities.

We need one MP and at least one shadow(s) MP per constituency. That’s how elections and debates are won. You know this. With the same propaganda and controls (social distancing) that worked on the plebs, Boris and his Davos Klaus Barbie crew have silenced those needed debates and voices.

‘ Davos Klaus Barbie crew’.

Intriguing description. Perhaps you could elaborate?

Klaus Barbie was a SS officer known as the butcher of Lyon

Oh, go on. Do tell us more about ‘Boris and his Davos Klaus Barbie crew’ . Waiting with baited breath……

By referring to K Schwab as K Barbie.. I hint at the economic carnage and butchery and dispair to come from the great reset.

K Schwab =Klaus Barbie. A very good comparison.

Bonkers comparison.

Really? That’s nuts. Just because you don’t like this Schwab and the WEF, doesn’t justify your likening him to a Nazi war criminal!

Waiting with baited breath……

That’s probably because you’re wearing mask, in your mum’s basement.

No need to be insolent, old chum. Make an effort.

Play the ball, not the man.

CN = obvious troll.

(There’s always a third party likes to get involved. Start your own scraps ! ).

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Four conditions ought to be met in order to be elected as an MP:

1. Minimum age of 40. This gives life experience
2. A prospective MP must have worked at a senior level in a for-profit private company for 10 years. This gives knowledge of the real world. Civil Service, think tanks, charities, social work are out.
3. A prospective MP must be able to support him or herself. The only expenses would be free travel on all public transport himself and his wife (or herself and her husband), do note the terminology here and free petrol or diesel for ONE car. If someone is not able to look after his/her own finances then such a person is not fit to be in charge of the nation’s finances.
4. A prospective MP must have served in the Armed Forces, which could include the Territorials. Since such people are going send armies into conflict, they need to know what it is like.

That’s a good idea. I would also add for number 2 – or having set up their own business and run it sucessfully for a minimum of 10 years.

Can’t quite work out how a 40 year old could realistically have served in the armed forces and set up or been senior in a successful business for 10 years and have made enough money out of one or the other to support themselves and their family for an indefinite period of time without an income (beyond free travel).

At the very least, you’ll end up with a parliament full of people who think in essentially exactly the same way and who have absolutely ruthlessly pursued a career path and personal wealth generation through their 20s and 30s, with the sole goal of putting themselves into a position of potential power in their 40s and 50s, having had probable experience of killing people or ordering others to kill people while in their 20s.

I’m really not sure those are the kinds of people I want running the country.

I think 1 & 2 are fine. I don’t agree with 4 for the reasons I’ve already set out..

As for 3, I’ve always been tempted by the idea of paying MPs the national average earned income, or the average in their constituency perhaps, plus travel expenses. Gives them the right kind of incentive and forces them to confront to some extent at least what real life is like for most of their constituents.

The plausible arguments for paying MPs more tend to be that better pay encourages better applicants, that better pay reduces incentives for corruption, and that better pay makes it easier for poorer people to be MPs I’m not really convinced by any of those arguments, and certainly I think bringing MPs down to a more human level is inherently a good thing. They are not rulers, they are representatives.

I’m all for a requirement for an MP to have a proven real world track record, yes. I know several current and former MPs (mostly second had, as it were) and the one thing they all have in common is that they’ve never done anything else worth mentioning, other than priming themselves to be MPs. This is unquestionably one of the causes of the current political context.

As for the pay issue, I’m not really sure what I think, except that most of the arguments I’ve heard, both for lower pay and for higher pay don’t really seem to stack up when put in the context either of economic reality or of human motivation and psychology.

Just to add, of course, the real fundamental problem is that people are supposed to care who their representative is, what they’ve done and what they say, not just what party they belong to and how well the leader of that party performs on television. The fact is, they don’t.

Absolutely. This brings us into another area discussed previously – the problem of political party structures.

I don;t think MP is to be regarded as a job in this sense, in respect of ordinary human motivation to work by pay. It’s utterly different (or should be)..

There are no hard and fast rules but surely there should be some sort of minimum requirements that a person should meet before they’re eligible.

I also forgot to add that I don’t think that people with very young children (even until the kid is 16-18 years old) should be allowed to stand. A kid needs their parents and being an MP is not conducive to a stable home arrangement. Plus it seems that having very young children clouds their judgement as we’ve seen with Johnson.

‘I also forgot to add that I don’t think that people with very young children (even until the kid is 16-18 years old) should be allowed to stand.. A kid needs their parents and being an MP is not conducive to a stable home arrangement’.
What? Presumably working on an oil rig, in the armed services, as a surgeon, opera singer, or other job with irregular hours and stress isn’t either? Are you saying such jobs should never be undertaken by anyone with children under 18?

Tobias Ellwood. Serco puppets?
Maybe not!

I see, sounds like a return to the honourable member for turnip on the wold. Why bother with democracy why not just direct rule by the army officers. They have served us so well in recent conflicts. A quick look at current MPs who have been in the forces tells us they are, just like the rest of us, a mixed bag. Your idea is no more than the usual : a doctor should run the department for health , a teacher should run education etc. What it would result in is a focus on protecting the interests of the professional body. Ie more tanks, ships etc if you think it would protect the lives of squaddies you haven’t been reading enough military history.

I agree mostly, except for the armed forces requirement. While I’m not a pacifist, my view is that this country has not fought in a justified war (with the debatable exception of the first Gulf War) since the Falklands. While I accept the need to prepare for war as a precaution, we have other issues in our governance far more urgent than military experience.

If I felt that military service would reliably protect against engaging in wars of choice, as some suggest, I might be keener on the idea, but my experience is that that is not a reliable feature of military experience.

Being an MP should be like jury service.

1) 50.
2) -‘senior level’
3) Nope. 5 years with no income would rule out most people.
4) Nope. Too used to following orders.

We have even more parasites in the Lords! If ever this country was ripe for Revolution its now!

Its become a retirement home for useless politicians and those who can’t win seats in the Commons. Yes, I’m looking at you Ladies Ashton and Warsi.

Yes, no more than say 300 in Lords (enough to present a staying hand on the Commons), with compulsory retirement and withdrawal of all facilities and privileges at 75.

I was interested to learn that George Washington thought that political parties themselves were the enemy of good governance, owing to their tendency to act out of revenge and petty jealousy.

That’s why he was opposed to them and actually attempted to stop their formation when he was in office.

Trouble is, that would completely exclude fairly normal, everyday people from representing us and Parliament would be populated solely by the wealthy.
Next step, rotten boroughs.

Any MP who supports lockdowns should be put on UC and their salary given to the people of their constituency who have been thrown out of work.

Dirty Gimp-Gags everywhere.

We should show more respect these snot covered rags are sacred symbols of the new cult of covidology. The great prophet Hancock came down from the mountain and pronounced we had to wear them or we will all be doomed.
The local builder pulled his out of his pocket the other day along with brick dust and saw dust, I saw one mask the other day that looked like it had previously been used to wipe down after mucking out the horses but no matter we are are showing due respect to the great God covid.

Yet we have evidently angered him, for he is smiting us all dead in Manchester and Liverpool. Dead, dead, I tell you! They are shovelling the bodies into the Mersey.

Ferry Cross the Mersey will be really the river Styx

They are absolutely revolting. I don’t know how people can bear it. There is a gym in my area that makes people wear them when they’re walking around. Then put them back on their sweaty heavy-breathing faces. But the most disgusting thing is when you’re working out you’re allowed to take it off – except there’s no lockers/bags/changing rooms allowed so you either have to wear it on your sweaty arm or leave it on the floor where it absorbs god knows what from the bottoms of your shoes. Then put it on again. Makes me feel ill thinking about it and people think it’ll protect them!

Take a chance!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X29lF43mUlo&t=17s

Huge numbers out in Paris for Je Suis Charlie, not distancing. Will be interesting to see Covid Rates in Paris in two weeks. Hopefully will put an end to Macron’s nonsense.

And add to the long line of activities that blow this narrative out of the water:

VE Day celebrations
days out at the beach
BLM
XR
numerous anti-lockdown protests.
Je Suis Samuel?

The ONLY thing that would put an end to Macron’s nonsense is an end to Macron.

Real life evidence stopped factoring into public policy decisions sometime back in March.

Didn’t I just hear someone on the BBC ckauming that the rise in “cases” NOW was the result of the beaches then? (I’m not sure, it was the BBC so I wan’t really listening, just setting my recorder for later) Honest.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/search-teams-fear-the-worst-as-fungie-remains-missing-since-last-thursday-39639511.html

On the day that Ireland will effectively be put back into lockdown in all but name, the national media are worrying about a f***ing dolphin.

If only they showed the same concern for those who have been told that they are not permitted to earn a living, or those being subjected to domestic abuse in lockdown or those who are now suicidal as a result of lockdown.

Quoted from the article above; 4) The CDC: ‘Our systematic review found no significant effect of face masks on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza.’

So , has it been confirmed that this virus was indeed manufactured or are they referring to another study?

Laboratory confirmed in this context means the ‘flu virus in question has been confirmed in a lab to be the ‘flu virus.

Thanks Mark.

Boris needs to create another SAGE group whose remit is only to look at the deleterious effects of lockdown. One of the first papers I read back in March came from a health economist which said that a recession/depression takes 3 months of everyone’s life on average. ie 15 million life years for the UK. At the most pessimistic analysis of QALYS lost in the ‘do nothing scenario’ (500,000 x 10 years each), the loss of life due to the lockdown induced recession was always going to be higher. If they had have integrated this sort of data at the beginning we would have had a Sweden approach. SAGE member Mark Woolhouse has said as much. SAGE is obsessed with covid deaths at the expense of all else.

And Boris Johnson is all of a sudden going to be motivated to do that because…?

…because then he can use SAGE 2.0 as a way to shift the blame for his catastrophic policies onto SAGE 1.0.

He could then simply claim that he was acting in good faith and was just “badly advised”.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-suspected-covid-case-at-port-of-tauranga/VFFJZLDPN2ZM6LBWTJ675FUAIY/

About the infected port worker in NZ. Just shows the enormous difficulties to shield off from the world. Even if all the ships arriving in NZ are cordoned off, not letting crew depart, the real world cannot not be shut off. The electronics engineer  had to work on the ship(mask and gloves) and now his strain has never been found earlier in NZ. Next step stopping all ships? Impossible.
“The marine electronics engineer who tested positive for the virus on Friday had worked on both ships. The new case was announced yesterday.
Genomic sequencing showed the strain of Covid-19 had not been previously seen in New Zealand and was not linked to the recent August outbreak or any other New Zealand cases, Bloomfield said.
The Ministry of Health today said the Sofrana Surville, a ship bound for Brisbane from Auckland and Noumea, was the most likely source of infection for a port worker who tested positive for Covid-19 on Friday.
The Ken Rei, a ship off the coast of Napier with 21 crew on board, was also being looked at, director general of health Ashley Bloomfield said.”

Amazed this hasn’t happened more. Modern shipping is based on so little time in port that visits can be hive of maintenance activity. Specialists often travel with a ship while work is carried out en route, there’s no way quarantine rules can apply as trade would grind to a halt.

A question for a genetic scientist:

If there are different strains of Sars Cov 2, what are the special characteristics of Sars Cov 2 that distinguish it from other corona viruses. And at what point do different strains of the virus stop being Sars Cov 2 and become a whole other virus?

When “scientists” use CGI to image the new SARS2Cov virus strain under an electron microscope and see it has shorter arms and legs and a smaller toothless mouth. It might change colour from RED to BLUE as well. Much less scary.

Full autarky for NZ then to “beat the virus” for good.

“ The scientists who threatened to pull out if Michael Levitt was allowed to participate should be ashamed of themselves. “

In truth, as much as the anti-scientists who threatened to pull out, the organisers themselves should be ashamed of their own cowardice. If they had any self-respect, any respect for the most basic essence of science, they would have proudly and publicly refused to give in to such bigoted blackmail, and named and shamed those threatening to pull out.

I should say that I have read Michael Levitt’s preprint Predicting the Trajectory of Any COVID19 Epidemic From the Best Straight Line and have serious disagreements with it, as you’ll see from my comments on the medrxiv page. But scientific disagreements should be pursued by open discussion rather than refusal to engage.

Absolutely. Disagreement and debate is the essence of science.

But this wasn’t even a conference on covid. It’s a conference on “Biosystems Design and Synthetic Biology”. In effect, this is pure political bigotry, trying to punish someone for expressing disliked opinions in an unrelated area.

It’s not new in modern western culture – it’s been done to “racists” for decades. But this really is taking it to a new depth of illiberalism.

Yes, that’s a fair point.

We have no evidence there were other scientists involved, of course. Other than the organisers’ statement.

True, though it doesn’t change much.

“Rallying in tribute” is almost an insult when your government, your profession and your media are doing their utmost to enable and to sanitise the ideology that killed you.

A further thought: Samuel would have been instantly dismissed from his post and denounced by the BBC as a “racist” if he had dared to show those cartoons in a British classroom.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1349368/coronavirus-china-news-wuhan-covid19-uk-lockdown-pandemic-latest-news-ont The mask mantra again. It’s like a cult.

The tone of the article was scary.
‘The Chinese people just do as the scientists tell them’
‘The Chinese people are more willing to inform on someone’
This is the future they want for us.

Future? We’re here already. We are superficially unruly, but in essence just as much a flock of sheep as the Chinese.

We are worse, at least Chinese people know how tyrannical their governments can be. In the UK we have no idea about totalitarianism, cultural revolutions, and brutal state suppression and refuse to accept our government are tyrants.

On a local polticial blog here in Northern Ireland I was shocked to see one person ask for quarantine hotels, electronic tags for infected and enforced isolation for all contacts of infected individuals.

Even now that kind of language shocks me.

I do think though they are the ultimate shielders. They hide behind their sofas and call for everyone else to do the same. A sick individual

You would have thought that with a history of internment that people in NI would know that it doesn’t work.

Is that the fake crisis of hospital overflows we see in your photo?

No-one can deny that so many “cases” in the open air is a portent of things to come. Are there no trolleys? Are there no corridors?

I just found this nice paper from Cambridge

“We find that the costs of the three-month lockdown in the UK are likely to have been high relative to benefits, so that a continuation of severe restrictions is unlikely to be warranted. There is a need to normalise how we view COVID-19 because its costs and risks are comparable to other health problems (such as cancer, heart problems, diabetes) where governments have made resource decisions for decades. Treating possible future COVID-19 deaths as if little else matters is going to lead to bad outcomes. Good decision-making does not mean paying little attention to the collateral damage that comes from responding to a worst case COVID-19 scenario.”

“We find that a movement away from blanket restrictions that bring large, lasting and widespread costs, and towards measures targeted specifically at groups most at risk is now prudent.  Such a policy should probably have been started before the end of June 2020.”

https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/content/view/C1D46F6A3118D0360CDAB7A08E94ED22/S0027950120000307a.pdf/living_with_covid19_balancing_costs_against_benefits_in_the_face_of_the_virus.pdf

some academics beginning to redeem themselves…

How do you mean ‘acadenics beginning to redeem themselves?’ I drew attention to this paper back in August when it came out, and to a predecessor paper (Occasional Paper 49) from LSE, referenced in this one’s notes. I don’t know if one referenced as forthcoming:
Stedman, M., Davies, M., Lunt, M., Verma, A., Anderson, S.G. and
Heald, A.H. (2020), ‘A phased approach to unlocking during the
COVID-19 pandemic…’
has appeared yet, will look.
But make no mistake, this sort of analysis has been available to government and its advisors as soon as it appears. It’s just that the medical autocracy currently still have the upper hand. In the usual human way of weighting fear of loss very much heavier than prospects of future gain, see Kahneman.

It’s at https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7261991/

Yes, thanks Richard, I actually looked it up earlier and discovered it, but I’d seen a preprint in about May, so nothing much new in the final version that I could see.
Walked into town afterwards and the economic damage in this formerly prosperous town in SE commuterland is shocking, so many shops closed for good and branches of larger chains holding closing down sales.

Archbishops’ assault on Brexit bill: Boris on collision course with UK’s five Anglican church leaders as they brand key legislation a ‘disastrous’ threat to democracy
Boris Johnson was on a collision course with the Church over Brexit this evening as the UK’s five Anglican archbishops warned that controversial legislation would set a ‘disastrous precedent’ and undermine Britain’s standing in the world. The group, led by the Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby ( inset), said the Internal Market Bill would ride roughshod over the Withdrawal Agreement signed with the EU last year – and potentially put peace in Northern Ireland at risk. They added: ‘If carefully negotiated terms are not honoured and laws can be ‘legally’ broken, on what foundations does our democracy stand?’ PIctured below are letter signatories the Archbishop of Armagh, John McDowell; the Archbishop of Wales, John Davies; the Primus of the Scottish Episcopal Church, Mark Strange; and the Archbishop of York, Stephen Cottrell.
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So our useless, unChristian Church hierarchy isn’t fazed by legitimate protesters being baton charged in London, can’t be bothered to stand up for Church practices against coronapanic cowardice, and doesn’t make a peep about the misery imposed by coronapanic measures against the elderly and vulnerable everywhere, but gets really hot under the collar when the government tries to push through a political policy in a political area that is essentially none of their business as churchmen, that was authorised by a national referendum.

Typical.

What use is the clergy? They should comfort the sick and elderly and not mess in politics!

How about preaching the Gospel?

That’s their real job, which they always forget about.

Now there’s a thought

Not at all. The thing that annoys me is their selective messing in politics. No church leader has dared to speak out against ridiculous over the top rules that have destroyed churches over last 6 months but they seem happy to speak out against this when they know they have safety in numbers and are agreeing with majority.

My fourth email to my priest is going in today, headed, ‘When is the Church going to speak out.’ My previous 3 emails over 6 months have remained unanswered, so he can’t even argue his corner. This communication will outlay the devastation and life lost due to the barmy policies, compared to those affected by covid -reference will also be made to the church’s support of Poland back in the cold war, and the brave priests who continued their work in communust regimes.

The bishops have been consulting with their Lord (Satan). Not a word about abortion, going along with the statue madness and the shutdown of churches to avoid Cv, face masks and all the bovine excrement.

The CoE has been a disgrace throughout this crisis and even before. One is always led to ask “what is the point of them?”

They should do their actual job and leave politics to the politicians. As Jesus himself said “render unto Cesar what is to Cesar’s and to God what is to God.”

If they want to play politics they should resign their offices and stand for public office as plain “Mr” or “Ms” or “Mrs.” Let them seem how their stance plays out with the public.

Also time for the CoE to be disestablished and the bishops chucked out of the House of Lords.

I’m so angry with the CofE. If they ever email me to ask why we haven’t been since they reopened they’re going to get both barrels.

I am sorry to hear this but I have so much sympathy with you. I have only been once because I simply cannot stand all this face-nappy wearing and anti-social distancing. I have to bury myself in the Greek New Testament, Patristics and so forth.
On the subject of anti-social distancing can we please refer to it from now on, both within this forum and without as ‘anti-social distancing’ because that is what it is.

Who’s interested in what these Charlatans say anyway?

Some very good points, Mark. It is a source of immense pain to me that Church leaders can witter on about Brexit (which they clearly dislike), but say absolutely NOTHING about the misery being inflicted on ordinary people day by day.
Where was Welby (and the others) when the police started encouraging neighbours to snitch on each other? That is what they should be preaching about and denouncing because it is despicable behaviour. I have represented this to several clergymen but I have achieved nothing, only a silence which I don’t even think was embarrassed.
Are there any clergymen on here? There are plenty of Christians, but where are the clergymen?
I say clergymen because, as a grammarian, man embraces the woman.

A church near me has replaced it’s notice board with a big covid stay safe banner, insisting on face nappies, 2 meters and sanitizer. Evil if you ask me.

This is depressing.

After yet another fun weekend of being verbally abused in a shop this weekend, this thought is foremost in my mind….
If people genuinely believe us to be living through a Black Death pandemic, what the hell are they doing going shopping and sitting in cafes?
I would be locking the doors, keeping my family safe and leaving the house once a month in the middle of the night to forage for food.
It is the upmost selfishness to imagine that we can be living through an end of day’s moment, but one that can be countered by putting on a face cloth and then carrying on life as normal. And on that note, if they believe the masks to work, then great, they are safe. Leave me be. But if they are suggesting that masks are not fully safe, well then it returns us to the question of why the hell they are sitting in a cafe?
Utter selfishness, which ironically enough is the term levelled at anyone not wearing a mask.

Spot on, Danny. I see it as little more than superstition. Mask could be replaced with a rabbit’s foot, clove of garlic or magic potion.

Dog shit smeared on the top lip, keeps coronavirus away folks, honest! If Boris mandated it, most of our supine public would do it.

The anthropologist in me is intrigued – we’ve not evolved that much actually

Indeed and then spend time in making a big deal about somebody not following the brainwashing.

If they are that scared do not spend time whining, get in and out of the shop as quickly as possible.

It is a kind of end of days moment because this hysteria is destroying our civilisation.

You know how a car can make nice people behave very badly? That anonymity of being in a sealed environment (the car) and the stress of driving and sharing road space with other road users – some of whom make mistakes? So suddenly you find yourself swearing, sticking up a finger or worse? The mask perhaps has a similar effect.

Yes: it’s disinhibiting. That’s one reason people engaged in BDSM might choose to wear them. It frees you from being recognised as yourself, or indeed as an adult social subject. This is totally acceptable in private, as a choice, but an absolute ethical horror show when imposed by law in the public sphere.

Excellent. Indeed it does give people a license to vent their general frustration with lockdown to others. Not those that have inflicted the stress on them, no, the mother of three who has done more to combat the fear agenda than the masked ever would.

They feel all this stress, and so unaware of themselves on an emotional level they don’t know how to digest it. They vent. Then they take that smae frustration home where they vent to their partners about their run in with the umaksed. Still angry, still stressed and they’ve achieved absolutely nothing. They probably drown it in cheap vodka and cry into their pillow

I am suffering from mask Tourettes. I REALLY should NOT mix with the public for every bodies safety.

Very true. I’ve often thought that being behind a steering wheel makes a normal person impatient, an impatient person aggressive, and an aggressive person dangerous.

Also similar to a bicycle helmet. A recent study found cyclists seemed to take greater risks with a helmet and so also did road users – passing closer to cyclists with a helmet on. Same study also found male drivers give pretty female cyclists more room and less to male cyclists. Yet cycle helmets offer very little protection to the user. Yet many people will chastise those cyclist who choose to be free of such limited protectio0n. Same with masks.

As a non helmet wearing cyclist and non mask wearer I can confirm I get regular shouts from other cyclists . A few stop and ask me why and I always say the evidence shows no effects. Just like the mask wearers they shake their heads on move on. I’m the mad one for reading and absorbing the actual research.

In a society of the insane, the sane man or woman is “mad”.

It’s basically Plato’s Cave, writ small.

Chaos, you are right. Plus, cycle helmets are only guaranteed by the makers to protect the wearer from a standing fall. I never wear a helmet but have never been shouted at, possibly because I’m so ancient. I never wear a mask either. MW

Try the “The Norm Chronicles” by David Spieghalter, he suggests that instead of airbags & seatbelts we would all drive far more carefully if you put a big spike on the steering wheel instead. Or you could buy an old TVR and drive it in the wet.

Ove Andersson died like that…
Still, I agree.

Its basically the modern day version of a talisman. I’ve lost count of the amount of people who stuff them into their pockets and bags, put them on and take them off, constantly touch their faces. I’ve even seen people use them to wipe their glasses and even phone screens!

This goes to show that this is all theatre and as a means to control people. The “Pharisees” parade with their “cute” muzzles in public or via their antisocial media accounts to demonstrate that they’re “good” and “caring” whilst not realising that they have blood on their hands.

Sorry to hear that. Besides people being brainwashed and complete sheep I also think it must depend where in the country you are actually based. I live in S London and I have never, never been challenged on this and I go to the supermarket all the time. I went to 3 different ones yesterday and noboduy even raises a eyebrow. The shop assistants don’t wear them in Sainsbury, Waitrose, Lidl…aof course like I said that could just be London .

No issues just now in my local Tesco, even a few smiles. And for once I was not alone, at least one more maskless. Sadly all staff had them on, presumably mandate from above.

Someone should notify the supermarket bosses and unions that they are endangering the health of their staff.

in scotistan at the start of the maskage I was interrogated in a supermarket petrol station, I gave as good as I got and interrogated when I strolled into a record shop. I normally just say no! Or exempt! And walk in. TBF I haven’t been out much as it’s not much fun.

Maybe it’s my demeanour and am over 6ft tall and am prepared to defend myself although it’s not easy and my heart races but I know I’m doing it for the right reasons and fuck every one of the mask wearers.

It’s like that in the High Peak as well – live and let live. Great posts, by the way, Danny and replies! MW

From people’s behaviour it is clear that very very few are genuinely worried. They pretend to themselves they are worried so that they don’t have to face the truth that all of this is nonsense, that it has been for nothing and that we are governed by psychopaths, and they pretend to others they are worried because having to follow the rules is annoying when others are not following them, but pretending they are worried is a better argument. It’s collective madness, self-delusion, denial.

Yep.
It that was a real killer virus, and Tegnell or Giesecke gave a well reasoned and evidenced recommendation to use suited N95/FFP2 masks correctly, I’d be the first to comply.
But not like this and by those tossers.

Madness heaped upon madness

Buck passing heaped upon buck passing

The politicians will not make a decision about anything. They will not take responsibility for anything. In order to absolve themselves from blame they pass the buck to the scientists

The scientists do they same. They also do not want to take the blame for anything; so they come up with predictions that say if just one person sneezes then fifty million people could die instantly

The politicians say wow! the scientists say fifty million people could die, and pass the buck to local authorities

Then it becomes another exercise in buck passing and madness as to who is going to pay for all the madness. This is even though there is no money to pay for any of it

It’s just warming up

There are not enough baton wielders to club the whole population into submission

I think it’s going to get very bloody

There is no buck passing this is planned.Seperate the populace,lock us up again,stop us communicating,all the while continue to build the police state

Police State and Vaccine
https://www.stopworldcontrol.com/en/

BBC R4 Today.
Sean Fielding of Oldham Council described proposed tier 3 lockdown measures as ‘unproven’.
Nick Robinson did not challenge that.

Later Robert Jenrik(?) Communities Minister said the situation in Manchester was serious with ICU beds between 70-85% occupied.
But we know that 85% is normal, Nick did not challenge that either.

This is one dangerous woman

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-54574155

but with everything made in china isn’t it inevitable?

They’re letting 16/17 year olds vote ?!?

Doomed.

Shocking ‘journalism’ in the land of St Jacinta. Classic fingers in ears:

https://youtu.be/Zw5a2Cc5KtI

Horrendous.

When he says “Well the morality rate for Covid-19 is..”

She says she doesn’t want to hear it.

I know that Andy Burnham is doing his best for Manchester but he does put me in mind of a man trying to renegotiate the price of the rental of a deckchair on the Titanic.

Andy Burnham is, as ever, doing what he perceives as his best for Andy Burnham.

Career wise, I take it?

Which includes eyebrow pruning.

Its all about the money, Andy Burnham doesn’t give as sh@t abou the people of Manchester. Just like the rest of the councils around the country. Sabre rattling because they have no power at present so are bough off by the government. None of the money will be used to make peoples lives better that have been ruined by this government.

The Money will be put in their own pension pots.

Local councils have already paid out over £11 billion to small and medium sized businesses. Why would Manchester lie down and roll over when other areas have been given extra funds?

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-grant-funding-local-authority-payments-to-small-and-medium-businesses

Andy Burnham is as up to his neck in it as the rest of them. This is all just a pantomime. An orchestrated punch and judy show.

Once you realise that, you’ll notice that they are not very good actors. When they try and act out being sympathetic or compassionate, that’s when they slip up because these concepts are alien to them

As its always said politics is show business for ugly people – they’re no different to good for nothing, overpaid celebs.

Hancock on the 15th October:
“ I want the time that London is in tier 2 to be as short as possible. The best way we can achieve that is by us all pulling together and following the level 2 rules. In terms of exiting from level 2, the cross-party London group set out a very clear set of criteria on the need to go up a level, including reaching 100 per 100,000 cases on average across London, which we are just about to breach. It is now working with us on what the exit might look like. I totally agree with my hon. Friend on the importance of setting that out to give people the motivation that, if we all pull together and sort this out, we will get out of these measures and people can live their normal lives a bit more.”

It’s all the peoples’ fault now.

https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/the-4th-industrial-revolution

Very important link Chaos
Copy pasted last part of speech ..to draw more attention

Speech
The Fourth Industrial Revolution Minister for Digital, Matt Hancock, addresses the All-Party Parliamentary Group on the Fourth Industrial Revolution’s (4IR) Autumn reception
Published 16 October 2017

It’s all about preparing Britain to take advantage of these extraordinary new technologies.
Earlier this year, the ‘fourth industrial revolution’ was not a very well-known term – at least before it became a central topic at the World Economic Forum . It recently made its way into an item on BBC Breakfast television – this shows we’ve probably started to reach critical mass.
It’s a pleasure now to introduce the man who made the fourth industrial revolution a household phrase: Professor Klaus Schwab.
Published 16 October 2017

Boris is throwing millions around like confetti. Got me thinking about the Reset and if you knew that your debt was going to be written off, what would I do, Spend. The Financial Reset talks about debt being written off.

They used to call it helicoptor money, just chuck it all around in the hope of stimulating the economy.

But this is to crash the economy.

Good point.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/17/police-get-access-to-people-told-of-self-isolate-by-nhs-test-and-trace

I wonder if they’ll be armed police – they could put a sniper on an opposite rooftop and blow you brains out if you step outside.

“A police force may request information relating to positive Covid-19 tests from the NHS Test & Trace programme directly, where they are investigating a report of someone who may not be complying with the mandatory self-isolation period.”

“Investigating a report”: In reality this will likely mean that the Police are routinely passed names and addresses of all who have been required to self-isolate.
And when Operation LunarC is up and running that will be up to a million people a week.

And it would count as another covid death.

First there was Ferguson – then there was this:

Now this virus is just a mutation of previous COVID it’s not knew in that regard, but it’s very difficult to treat and there’s no cure as of yet. I think 90% of the population will be fine, it’s the other 10% we need to worry about.

10% IFR/CFR? Wonder what model this one is using/.

I hope Lozza Fox`s Reclaim Party can get off the ground. A privileged actor i hear you say !!??
Well look at Reagan, reality tv host Trump, the comedian that created Five Star in Italy , Ukraine..
Anyone really, give me common sense and someone who wants to harpoon this reset bollox.

Yep. I’ll be behind it now that he’s come out fully antilockdown.

Need an alternative to the Labour/”Conservative” political establishment, that actually represents the very significant numbers of people with traditionalist and conservative opinions in the country, who are currently unrepresented.

I wonder if he should join forces with David Kurten rather than start yet another party.

Would be good if they can come to an agreement. How’s Kurten on lockdown?

He’s spoken at at least one of the rallies

Good enough for me.

SDP and UKIP also I think now openly sceptical

He’s going to have to come up with something a bit more substantial than standing for sensible, free discourse if he wants to actually break through.

What we DESPERATELY need is a party that promotes small government and low taxes.

1. Small government means that individuals can get on with life, living it as they wish without interference from busybodies and jobsworths.
2. Low taxes means that individuals can use their own money in their own way; collectively this means that good decisions will be taken by individuals, bad decisions reversed and/or repented and people take responsibility for themselves.

There is a Libertarian party but it’s very much a minor operation with no notable figures.

I think most of the world’s population is fed up with career politicians. You rarely come across a decent one, most are on the make or take!

I fully support the Reclaim party. Must see video he did with Calvin Robinson.
https://twitter.com/LozzaFox/status/1314935151789563905

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/chinese-lockdown-and-mask-model-failed-now-its-proponents-need-scapegoats

An excellent article.The only objection that this is not a true left right issue.Israel,Hungary,Poland and Czechia have had serious lockdowns.Otherwise the article is spot on.Worth a read.

CommonPass ‘health passport’ being trialed this week at Heathrow:

https://www.travelweekly.co.uk/articles/389596/covid-health-passport-set-for-heathrow-new-york-flight-trial

What I don’t get at all is the ridiculous ‘negative test with 72 hours of travel’. Can you not catch Covid after the test and before the flight?

Nothing to do with health.Health passport will be an international I’d system.Soon you will need it to access everyday life.Johnsons Moonshot system

The true purpose of the vaccine.

Moonshot! Have you ever known any IT system from the government actually work?

Nope.

And that was/is the real intention of this Covid farce!

Its the ID they want, worldwide ID. Millions of people are on the move, look at the migrants coming over on from France on their dinghies, all with their phones, they want to know where everyone is.

Who is going to turn up at an airport 72 hours before travel and then go back again 72 hours later….this won’t fly, excuse the pun.

You don’t have to turn up. Clients travelling now had to have negative test within 72hrs of travel and upload results in order to fly.

Given the weird scheduling difficulties of people having to travel potentially long distances for their tests and the uncertainty around the time it can take to receive results, this makes booking a ticket risky at best.

Its monstrous, I posted this the other day …… it’s absolutely central to the new world that is planned for us by those “who know best” But how could we protest about this? Perhaps we should demonstrate at the airport to get some media coverage?

Perhaps this frustration will finally highlight the prevalence and annoyance of false positives? It would be awful to have to cancel at the last minute on the basis of a positive test result when you Are perfectly healthy.

Maybe off topic slightly, but I just heard a radio ad asking men who had had a positive test to come forward to give blood plasma. Anyone know why men’s plasma would be thought more useful for treatment than women’s?

If you did want to donate you’d have to be muzzled up.

I’d also need to acquire a Y chromosome. Both unlikely.

I posted last week about being phoned by the Blood and Transplant service after I had cancelled an appointment. I told them it’s because I can’t wear a mask and indeed won’t. I very rapidly got a totally patronising email back with all the usual nonsense about keeping people safe and how most people preferred it and there were no exceptions.
Bearing in mind that I just cancelled quietly online and did not seek an argument but they brought one to me, I have decided that is the end of me giving my finest A+ to a private company profiting from my public spiritedness. That will remain the case no matter what they do about masks in the future

My son (60 plus donations) and mask exempt because of panic attacks received the same “claptrap” reply so after almost 30 years of donations; “that’s it, no exemptions” : Well, if a patient dies because of a lack of A+ blood, I hope that the blood and transplant service are proud of themselves.

More details at https://www.blood.co.uk/news-and-campaigns/news-and-statements/men-who-ve-had-coronavirus-symptoms-urged-to-donate-plasma-due-to-shortage-of-male-donors/

Thanks, Richard. That makes sense.

More money to be wasted – could have been a false positive test

How are my fellow sceptics who are sporting their anti lockdown badges getting on?, I have still got my teeth and my eyes are still not black.
Seriously though, the majority don’t seem to even notice it and the few that do including my dentist and hygienist tend to agree with me about the lockdown whilst pushing the hygiene factor ( hand sanitizing/washing etc.)

Glad you posted this FP. Thanks for the suggestion about the badges. We are wearing them in our shop. No comments yet, but no doubt it will be grist to the mill for those accusing me of being a ‘granny killer’

I just don’t get why people who feel that strongly about masks and stuff would choose to enter a cafe where they can see the staff are bare-faced, and then moan about it. I mean, I’m sure your cafe is excellent, but why don’t they just go somewhere else?

Where is your cafe ?, would love to visit.

Sorry; question was meant for Kh 1485.

Sorry; question was meant for kh1485.

That’s exactly what I think (like the woman who, even though seeing three of us unmasked on Saturday, stayed and then arse-ached about it later).

But you *know* this isn’t about safety. It’s about these people finally having a voice. They’re the kind of sad, miserable, unfulfilled people who suddenly have a chance to lash out at the free-thinkers among us. And boy, are they enjoying their time in the sun.

They should also remember that their time in the sun won’t last forever.

The time will come when they could end up like those collaborators in France after WW2 or be sued like in Germany after the collapse of the GDR in 1990.

Where is your shop? Would love to visit.

The People’s Republic of Saffron Walden.

Putting it in Google maps now.

Id love to visit, me and the wife are total sceptics and live very close by South of Cambridge. If you dont want to post the cafe name, i think we can PM.

I also live nearby and would happily visit. Again, PM if possible.

The only “Granny Killer” is Matt Hancock & PHE.

I’ve been wearing my Everyone Dies t-shirt whenever I go out.

I get some grins and a few side-eyes, but nobody ever engages, one way or the other.

Granted, it’s a fairly strong message, but I would have thought that somebody would say something .

Where can I get a Anti Lockdown badge?

Got mine from ebay. Just type in ‘No Lockdown’. I got three for the price of two – £2.99 with free postage.

Two-Six makes them.

I still have about 30 left.

Ebay or Amazon.

neither but you can email me at: two-six@twang.co.uk if you like

I’ve just published up a simple “ Masks are bad for your health ” badge on Redbubble.

Not a particularly strong message, but the idea was to get people to visibly show resistance. A moderate message seemed like a reasonable starting place.

That said, it’s dead easy for me to churn out different logos, so I’m happy to create badges with whatever sceptic logos people want.

The Redbubble badges are only a couple of quid each, but they’ll probably screw you on the postage. I’ll post the image files on my site so people can make their own if they like.

Perhaps I’ll dig out our old Super Badge It! from the attic.

I am pleased to report a decent number of non-compliance this morning with the schools edict that masks must be worn on school grounds. I would say around 30% weren’t wearing masks (mainly dads) and this is even before the school has emailed everyone to remind people that there are exemptions, which they have promised to do later today.

I was also at the march on Saturday and whilst it made me feel better being surrounded by like minding people and sticking two fingers up to anti-social distancing, I cant help but feel disappointed by how disorganised things seem.

I know I don’t have much of a right to criticise as this was my first rally but they really need to sort out some kind of decent portable sound system so that passers by could hear what was being said rather than just preaching to the choir. There are surely enough people including me who would be willing to donate towards this.

I also think that it is important to get normal people to speak about how they have been affected. The most uplifting part of the day for me was a guy who passionately said “I am a DJ who has lost his job, we are now living in a world where we cant dance. Well I don’t want to live in a world where I cant fucking Dance!!!” It is these kinds of real people with passion that I think will resonate with the general public more than Piers Corbyn & David Icke.

Women are more compliant than men. That’s why the teaching profession loves them as cannon fodder. More than 90% of primary school teachers are female and 65% of secondary.

I didn’t mean that in a derogatory way by the way. Women are abused at work and such due to their generally somewhat less confronting attitudes.

I assume this event was in London. Are the rallies scheduled for every weekend – it would be good if a real powerful one could be organised for the 11th November, contrasting the expected blatherings from the politicians on the fight for freedom and tyranny. As a one-time supporter of the royal family, the queen has failed her country miserably – any previous life service has now, imho, been totally eliminated. God help us when Charles succeeds.

the Scottish book cooking asterisk has been there for 2 weeks at least. The weird wrong and uncalculatable % number has been a tranditional mainstay of Scottish Government reporting and SNP furst minister pulpit daily reporting. The percentage has not related to the daily number of new test figure since covud was a twinkle in a pandolin’s eye.

What, you mean they are fibbing??

I think of it more as a bakery, or indeed more as a stick of rock factory where, instead of forming Blackpool, they work hard to produce a ‘fuck you’ running through all.

Shouldn’t the recent ONE case of “coronavirus positive test” in NZ prove that no matter what you do a virus will spread and you cannot stop it like the Terminator?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-ship-bound-for-brisbane-likely-source-of-transmission-ashley-bloomfield/WJIDKNHMGIQ2KOEC33ISZJYEHY/

So he was in full PPE, obeyed all social distancing rules etc etc blah blah blah and he still got a positive test – but it is not confirmed he got it from a member of the ship’s crew. They still don’t know.

Why is the MSM, politicians, sceptic journalists like Toby and independent scientists shouting this out loudly at every opportunity as it proves that the policies they are following do not and will not ever work?

Last night my wife (who says she is not the brainiest person around but she keeps underestimating herself in this regard) noticed this and pointed it out.

Your wife must be ultra intelligent just to keep pace with yourself.

Sridhar has been instructional about the covid elimination fantasy approach. Could it be that her decrees become subject to the media blackout that has been placed upon msm. See Eamon Holmes in Denise Welch interview pointing this fact out. He didn’t reference where the blackout was enforced from, Ofcom or government directly.

Jacinda has won the election so she should let it rip hoping everyone will have forgotten by the next one.

It’s probably just confirmation bias at work.

Facts don’t produce beliefs. Beliefs filter facts.

It might also relate to the development of hypochondriac obsessive traits. The sort where you get a midge bite and start worrying about malaria.

4.05am Sunday morning.
Hysterical phone call from my business partners 20yr old daughter. ‘Dad’s dead’. She’d been out late with her boyfriend & come home to find her Dad hanging in the hallway.

I’m totally numb. We set up in business in Jan 2019 making parts for racing motorcycle engines. £50k between us, most of our life’s savings. £350k from government & private investors. When covid came along the contracts we had one by one started being broken by the people we were supplying.

On Friday the business folded leaving 12 staff with no pay. We put everything into this, it was the product of our lifetimes experience.

My business partner was the strongest, toughest businessman that I’d ever met. I was the ‘boffin’, I had the ‘knowledge’…

I’m numb. Can’t even cry. Two of my ex-forces friends have already committed suicide this year. Both my young kids were diagnosed with depression last month.

I’m not going to do anything stupid, that’s not me but I don’t know where I’m going to find the strength to help Dave’s daughter.

So it’s personal now, actually it always was but I, like so many others, had just been trying to survive. I thought that I knew what hate meant but I’m just beginning to realise that I knew nothing about what it really meant.

Oh dear, I am so sorry to hear of your loss. Another pointless death.

Another death politicians / media / lockdown fanatics have on their hands.

Shame on them all.

Amen to that.

My condolences, be strong.

Never give up, Never give in.

Never forgive, never forget.

Put your story on here – he may actually learn something but as he is a soulless psychopath with no human empathy or feelings except greed for power he won’t care but one of his staff might.

Iraq, Afghan, nope won’t be giving up. I’d rather die fighting than sitting waiting. It’s terrifying that this covid shit is eating some really strong people. Thank folks for your sympathy, appreciate it, just fucking numb, numb! Brains not working so good atm so thanks guys. Arnie.

I’m speechless, my condolences to you and the families involved.

I truly hope there is a reckoning and those culpable get what is coming and what they deserve.

I am so sorry.
Let them all know. Shame them all. Politicians, Sage, MSM.
There aren’t words enough for the pain.

So sorry. I’m back on a low dose antidep. Don’t want to make this about me, but the only reason I am able to manage on low dose antidep is because natural supplements such as glycine, inositol, acetyl carnitine, and magnesium also help (most of the time) to stop me (for the moment) doing anything drastic. Just sharing in case others want to research these supps. Sorry about your loss. Suicide (and car accident) are main cause of death in men under 30. It then settles. And peaks again aged 50 ish. Women try ‘suicide’ more, but men succeed more. A cry for help is serious obviously regardless.

It has occured to me that what is needed is a lockdown website that shares personal letters about such e.g. suicide and old people not getting visitors from family members. A site to catalog this carnage so it isn’t forgotten and to put pressure on our Oxbridge MP’s.

I agree. I have my own website and it’s not that difficult, ‘chaos’ – this is something you could undertake yourself. You can post anonymously while you await permission.

Well.. I wangled ages ago premium unlimited hosting domain space from a certain well known hosting company for about £7. I guess I should use it for something.. I can just about get to grips with wordpress.

I’m sure there will be plenty of people to help if you go onto LS forums and ask

good idea.

We don’t hear much about children with disabilities like my grandson who is 4 & and can’t walk due to cerebral palsy. Many of these children are awaiting life changing spinal and orthopaedic ops which have been delayed for months & months. They can’t get their treatments by NHS or privately due to closures.Essential physiotherapy ,occupational therapy and loads of their assessments and referrals have just stopped. The parents are left to manage or offered bloody Zoom sessions – I know cos I help out

My sincere condolences. I will never forgive these people for what they are doing.

Arnie, so very sorry for your loss and particularly for the pain your partner’s family is going through.
A few weeks back we emailed our MP (the Home Secretary). Amongst many points we made was the fact that we know of no deaths for Covid in our circle of friends or friends of friends / relatives, but we do know of 3 suicides. No reply of course.

Oh gosh, what can I say. That is awful.

Praying for you. Praying for Dave’s daughter. Praying for sanity in this world.

Very, very sorry to hear this. My deepest condolences.

The government and lockdownistas have blood in their hands. The day of reckoning can’t come soon enough.

Absolutely horrible news for all of you, I am so very sorry. This story needs to be told more widely.

Good grief! Words are totally inadequate.

You have to stay strong for your own children That’s always our first responsibiity.

Never forget. Never forgive.

I’m so very, very sorry. How utterly wretched. I know what you mean about “hate”.

Sorry for your troubles Arnie, is there a way of flagging this up for Toby’s attention ?

So sorry Arnie. Your tears may never come, it gets to that point – but me and the others here are crying for you.

Such pointless devastation for his family and for you. I’m so very sorry for your loss. This is just too sad.

Like everyone here I do feel for you. Prayers and best wishes. So sorry.

I’m so sorry for your loss, and I hope you have some loving and caring people around you.
What has happened is outrageous. Began this year so optimistically, how far we have fallen so quickly. I still can’t believe the level of suffering inflicted on so many, and the lack of opposition or questioning. We should never forget.
Feel for you and your family.

I am lost for words, and wish you all condolences and strength for the future, and for your business partners family.

Words cannot express my sadness and anger I am feeling. I am so sorry to hear your devastating news and all my thoughts and prayers for all those affected. If you can be strong, your story needs to be shared far and wide and make people understand the real, painful and utterly destructive impact this is having on people, their lives and their mental wellbeing. I too am on the cusp of losing 18 years of hard work building up a business, it hurts beyond measure but pale in comparison to losing a loved one in such a way.

I am so sorry for you and all those who knew and loved him. I have had looks of horror when I have said that this government are evil bastards and should hang for the all the deaths they have caused and will continue to do so.

A fair percentage of people I have spoke to agreed with “evil bastards who should hang” without any argument. People are getting angrier (which may be the government’s intention)

Arnie this is horrendous..I am so sorry for the loss you are feeling. Certain members of the media should be publicly shamed for sad sad events like this

Shaming is not going to be enough. They deserve a very long stretch in prison at the very least.

Condolences – for what they’re worth.

This is what the lying exaggeration and flannel conceals as the true cost.

Was talking to a neighbour whom is a psychiatrist yesterday – mental health problems are rocketing.

Yes it’s appalling. A friend has a 10 year old with anxiety that makes it hard to get him out of the house. He says he thinks the waiting list for Child and Adolescent Mental Health Services is about 18 months.

This is why also I admire those that just get on with life expecting this Davos insanity to end. But obviously if business goes belly up that is hard. I can only imagine.

That is awful beyond words Arnie,please accept my sincere condolences.

I am so very, very sorry for your troubles. My sincerest condolences to you and your partner’s family.

We’re so sorry, Arnie. It’s not much comfort but you have a lot of friends on here and you can be sure we’ll be telling people about this. MW and AG

I’ve no words for this, Arnie. Just very sorry.

Sheer tragedy Arnie, so sorry to hear of this. it has GOT TO STOP.

My sincere condolences to you and your friend’s family.

So sorry to hear that, I just don’t think I can find the right words to express my disgust and anger at what this Government is doing to people. Please accept my condolences to you and your partner’s family.

Another week before school half terms begin – my 9 year old`s primary (in Durham) has been pretty positive all said and done and so far, school has been near enough “school” as i could hope for her with all this. Another school shut down will be the end of this putrid Government and hopefully they realize this.

6th Form College is closing for two weeks, one for half term followed by a week online learning in expectation of a two week ‘circuit break’ from johnson.

I am glad i went to University in 1991 but despair for the young people today – hopefully they will remember all this when it comes to voting.

“ Another school shut down will be the end of this putrid Government and hopefully they realize this.”

I see no evidence that this is the case, unfortunately.

People may be pissed off with the inconvenience, but I see an awful lot of willingness to put up with more and more egregious restrictions.

Universities are still shut down – almost 100% online learning, campus access restricted, many communal areas closed, society activity severely restricted. No discount. No-one is shouting about this. The government have got away with it.

Agree. There was a fair amount of coverage given to the university situation at the beginning, but now, almost nothing. The government have weathered the storm, the public has lost interest and moved on to the next scandal.
It reminds me of the horrible kidnapping of the school girls in one of those African states, by boko haram. Michelle Obama’s ‘bring back our girls’ hashtag was trending everywhere, it is nowhere to be seen now, and many of the girls are still missing.

There was coverage of unis going online at the start of lockdown, though not as much as schools closing, and some coverage during the summer of them planning online only, and lots about testing and imprisonment in their halls, but it was never anything like the “will schools reopen or not” issue. If you asked a lot of people if unis were open or closed they would probably say they were open, but that’s not really true. I wrote to one and asked them why they were shut and the schools were open and their answer was “government guidelines”. I can’t seem them ever properly reopening. Having to cater for physical students is just a pain.

The swivel eye DELVE advisor appeared on GMB tv at somepoint today or recently. The comments are well worth reading as they answer the posed question “Oh, I have a question: Is Devi stupid or does she think we are?”

https://twitter.com/Albion_Rover/status/1318085739175989248?s=20

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Good Morning Britain
@GMB
· 2h
“‘The longer we put off taking the action to bring the infection under control the longer it will last.’

“Prof @devisridhar explains why she is calling for a longer and sharper national lockdown.

“She says everyday wasted discussing it means we will be in a lockdown for longer.”

40 Sec Clip of Sirdhar is breakfast raising.

There’s more from Sridhar telling us what we in Great Britain should have done.

Good Morning Britain
@GMB
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2h
Replying to
@GMB
‘There needs to be a gameplan and a pay-off because people are sacrificing a lot.’

@devisridhar says it was a mistake to encourage people to go abroad on holiday and not ensuring they isolate on their return.

She says the country should’ve pursued a ‘Covid-free approach’.

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No comment from myself – it’s not needed

she was also one of the “experts” on the C4 covid debate programme last night (sunday) where she was given lots of airtime (and unchallenged) to spout the same rubbish .

She clearly does not understand that reason the North Country has been put back under lockdown is because they were already shielding when the Covid paid its first visit in the spring.

“She says everyday wasted discussing it means we will be in a lockdown for longer.”

That is only correct if the objective, stated or unstated, is to eliminate the virus completely. As I’ve said elsewhere, the rather stark trilemma we are faced with is

1. Achieve herd immunity: that is, arrange for a sufficiently large proportion of the population to become immune to the disease so that it fails to spread when people are behaving in a normal fashion. This can be done in two ways: (A) Naturally. Wait for enough people to catch it and develop herd immunity; or (B) Artificially. Develop a vaccine that produces immunity, and in the meantime suppress the spread by restricting peoples behaviour so that it fails to spread.
2. Suppress the spread by restricting peoples behaviour indefinitely so that it fails to spread.
3. Eliminate the virus by restricting peoples behaviour so that it ceases to spread and dies out in the population.

None of these is scientifically preposterous, although there are scientific questions attached to all of them. Which of the scientifically plausible strategies is acceptable and comes at least cost in other directions (social, economic and health) is another matter and is partly scientific and partly political.

Prof. Sridhar believes, I think, in strategy 3. It is true that current experience suggests that this strategy can only work with a sustained, severe lockdown, and from that point of view of course it would have to start at once.

But we have not chosen that strategy.

In terms of ‘we’ – you forgot a fourth one (admittedly one that overlaps with the natural herd immunity option) :

Behave as one would for any seasonal virus and get society functioning again within a normal range of caution.

Because the overall effects of this virus are well within the normal range. What isn’t normal is the massive collateral damage being chosen by policy makers.

I have yet yo see any substantive evidence that this is not so.

I think you’re right, in that option 0 is always “Do nothing”. But I don’t think that is acceptable in its starkest form, so didn’t mention it. Your suggestion, I think, is more “do nothing special except for applying suitable safeguards to those at risk” and I think that comes under 1 — it is essentially 1A, the Great Barrington option.

Regarding Strategy 3, isn’t that what New Zealand are doing?

It seems utterly unfeasible to me – a non-starter. Richard Pinch as you say none of these is scientifically preposterous, can you sketch out how you would see (3) working?

Scientifically there is no reason to believe that you cannot eliminate the virus from a closed population by stringent social measures. But the devil is in the detail. To maintain your virus-free status, and in the absence of universal immunity, you have to prevent the virus from re-entering your closed system. That is clearly possible, but the question is whether you want to pay the price for it. Such as mass starvation.

By the way, I say, clearly possible, but that’s still an opinion about something which is a scientific question. One would need to know things like, whether the virus can be spread by birds, fish, floating seaweed or other things capable of reaching an island from regions where the virus is still in existence.

The modified, or New Zealand, system: let’s say 3B, is to close down almost completely but allow a small risk of virus arriving, for example, in food shipments. Again there’s a scientific question of the level of risk posed by, say, frozen meat, versus the ability of a testing system to rapidly trace and isolate those infected by incoming virus.

Ok, thanks. I think 3A may be “scientifically” possible but would kill the patient. 3B will possibly kill the patient slowly, and may only be possible for places with a very low incidence already, that are geographically isolated and can control their borders. I guess it comes back to what is “possible” vs. the costs and benefits.

Isn’t one reason why the eradication policy is more plausible for New Zealand the fact that (largely thanks to its low population density) it doesn’t depend on imported food as the UK does?

“She says everyday wasted discussing it means we will be in a lockdown for longer.”
Same argument they’ve been using for global warming, that the time for debate is over.

if we waste enough time, the cases will just come down of their own accord

She’s on the list

Danish Face mask Study RCT Repost from yesterday night

https://pubpeer.com/publications/47865E80A829070D6D64DDB57F3A70

Even before the paper is published(or NOT published) in Aug this letter was sent to the Danish Medical association from Project Fear and Lockdownfanatics in US. They object to the study design etc and has serious concerns that this study might undermine the mask argument in a false way.Therefore they warn that it should not be published.
I can’t judge whether they are correct in criticising the design of the study and technicalities but really interesting how the mask fanatics go to this length even before it is published or not.They might be rattled.

Surely if there were a problem with the research design, that would emerge in the peer review process once the article had been submitted to a journal and an editor had decided it had sufficient merit to be peer-reviewed prior to possible publication?

Exactly. The overwhelming desire of the Covid crazy to censor is circumstantial proof of their fear of being sussed – i.e of a balanced narrative emerging and lies being exposed.

The Danish study uses what is known as an “Intent To Treat (ITT)” analysis. Essentially this is the most robust method of inference. If in a clinical trial you are randomised to treatment and decide to throw it away rather than take it at all, then even if the treatment works, your action will have diluted the effect – if the treatment STILL is shown to work, then it is a robust finding.

I think the scientific concern is that the study is under-powered, that is, there are so few participants in the study that it is unlikely to show a statistically significant result even if the effect is real. This is a legitimate concern in general, although I can’t say whether it is justified in this particular case.

In general underpowered tests that lead to conclusions that “we can’t tell” are a waste of time and not likely to be published at all. But that’s a minor concern. The writers of the letter are concerned that, should the test fail to detect a significant difference, and that result were to be published, then it might be misinterpreted not as having failed to show a different, but as having shown no difference — the evidence of absence rather than the absence of evidence. This is not unreasonable, but both proponents and opponents of various health measures have to live with misreporting by the media.

However, what is interesting is that it claims that the test is not powerful on the following basis

The sample size calculation assumes at least a 50% relative risk reduction; this is unreasonably high given that it is the product of both compliance behavior and mask protective effects.

and support the claim that this is unreasonable this by saying

The effect size would surely be smaller than that found in three observational studies collectively showing that actually wearing masks outside the healthcare setting reduced the odds of SARS infection by less than 50%

Some opponents of mask mandates might want to seize on that number. However, it is important to note that this is a study of the protection of the wearer of the mask. It isn’t about the effect of the mask in preventing spread of infection from the wearer, which is the claimed rationale for making them mandatory.

Still, what’s sauce for the goose, etc. Should the authors of this caveat have published a comment which is itself liable to misinterpretation?

Powering is always a risk to the sponsor in any trial. Normally you decide how big an effect would be clinically meaningful (50% is a big effect), decide how often you are prepared to miss a difference that big by chance (2/10 is the going rate, but sometimes to be conservative 1/10 or even 1/20). Then run the trial and look at the effect. Can the null hypothesis (there is no difference) be rejected at the 5% level? Big effects need few subjects, small effects are, well, small!. Look at Remdesivir effects – it needs several 1000 patients to separate placebo and active treatments. A good antiviral would only need several hundred.

Then there is the issue of clinical vs. statistical significance. I always use Brexit as the example – there was a staggeringly statistically significant difference due to the 33M sample size. The likelihood of a 4% difference in a population that large is about 1 in 10^-22! However the magnitude of the difference (4%) is not really politically significant – this was not defined prior to the experiment (poll). Unlike entry, where a politically significant difference (67-33) was obtained. Pre-definition of a politically significant or clinically margin is the cornerstone of referenda and clinical trials.

Sometimes trials fail because they are underpowered for the true effect. That doesn’t absolutely rule out an effect, it rules out a big effect.

I suspect the number of events in both groups in this trial will be too small to support the conclusion that masks work.

I have to say, the letter is the first time I’ve seen anyone complain that a trial is biased towards the null hypothesis! A trial in which residual and uncontrollable bias is towards the null hypothesis is a well designed trial. It’s almost as if the mask zealots have forgotten that it is their job to find evidence in favour of theiir hypothesis, not our job to find evidence against it.

Yes, science vs. The Science

Given that putting a bit of cloth between two hamster cages and measuring the degree of covid transmission is considered sufficiently rigorous science to argue in favour of masks, one wonders just how amateurish the Danish study has to be to preclude publication.

https://youtu.be/c7f2NhJjUiw

Anti lockdown protests yesterday in Belfast. 500 or so crowd. Peaceful.

The police scenes were not good. In one incident they threw a woman to the ground and two officers sat on her.

They obviously watched yesterdays Romanian police training movie.

I think the conspiracy theorists have got me, I can’t help wondering if Boris is letting Burnham have his way because it’s a win-win for Boris. If it fails Boris will shrug his shoulders and say “I told you so”, alternatively if Burnham is proved right it gives Boris ammunition to fight SAGE and future tier 3 events.

I’ve witnessed business leaders do it with department managers in large corporate situations, give people enough rope to hoist themselves or be successful. Either way the CEO gets their way. Fanciful thinking I guess, but I’m clutching at straws now. Nobody (hopefully) could be as incompetent as Boris is behaving presently

is there an updated site with manchester ‘cases’, admissions etc? i heard it was levelling off. if they can hold out for another week…………..

What you describe is ruthless political manoevering – I think it’s time to retire the term ‘conspiracy theory’ – it doesn’t help.

agree. and I think in terms of the wider conspiracy theories, many people believe them because they can’t believe our politicians and civil servants can be that thick – but they really can and really are

It’s not even ‘ruthless’. In this respect (and I’m no supporter of this ‘city mayor’ concept or Burnham as an individual), Burnham is just doing a job : screwing the fat lying bastard at the centre of the web.

Manchester has no other benefits to glean from this any more than the rest of the country.

Fair point, but in an ideal world Burnham would at the same time denounce lockdowns as useless and damaging

Conspiracy Theories

For we sceptics it is surely good news that Boris has bribed Andy Burnham in Manchester with £100 million to accept tier 3 status. The inevitable corollary will be that in future nowhere will accept a lockdown without a substantial payment.

It just incentivises more LDs though, as with Essex CC.

How much of that £100 million will filter down to those small businesses and self employed about to go bust ?

None at all is my guess, but I think you knew that.

None of that will filter down to those who need it the most. It’s like the Culture and Heritage fund – bribery pure and simple.

These nincompoops should realise that the money won’t last forever.

‘Covid troughers’ James DElingpole might say

Snout and both front trotters. Twas ever thus.

Local councils have already paid out over £11 billion to small and medium sized businesses, no reason to suppose this will not continue.

I would take more heart from it if we were still on the gold standard.

The Bank of England can lend £100 million into existence in the blink of a transistor.

About 200,000 hospitality workers in central London will lose their jobs this weekend as tier 2 coronavirus lockdown restrictions are imposed, the industry body’s chief executive has warned.
UK Hospitality chief executive Kate Nicholls said the tier 2 lockdown, which prohibits people from separate households from mixing, is a “maximum squeeze on revenue with no support”.
She said it would be better for some businesses in central London to be forced to close under tier 3 restrictions in order to access government funding
“If you go into level three you are getting support if you are closed so at least we would have something to pay the teams and a grant to cover overheads and costs,” Nicholls told the BBC.
“So for businesses in this part of the capital it would probably be better to be closed.
“The pain of tier two is that you have no government support, and that’s what we need the government to urgently address.
“Otherwise you are going to have about 200,000 people in central London losing their jobs this weekend.”
Pret a Manger has already announced today that the second wave of infection and subsequent lockdown has led to it cutting a further 400 roles in London, on top of the more than 2,000 jobs axed since the pandemic began.
Yesterday Nicholls said the London lockdown restrictions would be the “death knell” for the industry.
Meanwhile, Richard Burge, chief executive of the London Chamber of Commerce, said central London will be particularly impacted by the lockdown as people reduce public transport use.
“With no non-household mixing allowed indoors and a reduction in journeys on public transport requested, Tier 2 will hit London’s hospitality sector hard, particularly in its centre,” he said.
“There is bound to also be an impact on retail.
“Hospitality businesses are between the rock and hard place. Their trade is impacted by the restrictions, yet there’s not sufficient support available to help them to stay open.
“Many would rather be in a Tier 3 area, as at least if they were required to close by law they would be able to access grants and the more generous furlough scheme.”

https://www.cityam.com/london-lockdown-200000-hospitality-workers-to-lose-jobs-this-weekend-industry-body-warns/

It has to be intentional.

Cue Khan agitating for Tier 3, as early as next week I predict.

Then start wailing on Twitter that London’s economy will go under and go cap in hand to beg for more money.

No wonder they unleashed the Covid Hoax to stop Trump
“ Confirmed: Trump Has Footage Of Hunter Biden Raping And Torturing Little Girls — Set To Release Alex Jones breaks down the bombshell developments surrounding Hunter Biden’s hard drive, which allegedly contain thousands of images and videos of sexually explicit material, including Hunter raping and torturing underage Chinese girls. President Trump is reportedly in possession of Hunter’s hard drive and is preparing to release it to the public.”
https://www.infowars.com/posts/confirmed-trump-has-footage-of-hunter-biden-raping-and-torturing-little-girls-set-to-release/

They, the cult behind “covid”, are also torturing Julian Assange because he had the audacity of releasing emails relating to John Podesta`s “fast food” preferences in 2016. .

And yet when you search “Hunter Biden” on BBC news you get nothing. The DM to its credit has something, but this is a clear illustration of censorship writ large and how much of MSM is compromised.

Try typing ‘ happy white woman ‘ into google. My point is it is beyond censoring there is a false reality being shaped around us. Not by accident.

I realise everyone knows this, sharing such clear msm attacks and abuses is powerful.

follow up with a happy black woman search

interesting comparison of the two groups of images …
so the implications are that a white woman is only happy with a black man.. but a black woman is only happy without a black man,.

but regardless, a clear subliminal message

Notice how many mixed race couples are on TV and in the adverts including lesbian couples?

Been increasing rapidly the last few years.

We often have a competition to spot a specific ethnicity in these sorts of adverts or see if we can spot a whole family that isnt mixed. We’re not bothered – it just doesn’t seem proportionate of the population as a whole. I think the first time we noticed this skewing of reality was in the tv programmes our children watched as toddlers – 15 or 16 years ago.

Humm I see what you mean. Incredible.

also following my communication with wikipedia about the panning of GBD entry. i note that Hunter Biden entry also doesnt allude to any of this

I’m not sure that people on here are quite ready for things like this yet. If true, most people still won’t believe it.

I wonder what Prince Andrew is up to…

Probably not. But I have been reading about this stuff for over 10 years and if it comes out there will definitely be cognitive dissonance with most people who have been believing all the BBC tells them. Pertinent to the modus operandi is what is behind our own politicians doing what they are doing? I hope nothing as sinister…I know there has been a debate on conspiracy versus cock up here. I’d like to believe the latter although I don’t dismiss outright the more loaded view any more.

Out of context but every time I see your name I want to say ‘Fast and Bulbous, Mascara Snake’. I’ll get my coat……………….

you don’t have to get your coat.

My mate Frank once said:

“””
The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it’s profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater.
“””

I feel like Acid…

Even if this were true, I doubt it would cause many voters to switch. The electorate are anti-Trump rather than pro-Biden.

It sounds like a last desperate throw of the dice to me.

Still trying it on Bayo?

The Democrats arte losing big time and stealing the election, read some real independent news and now whatever you seem to be getting your daily dose of fantasy from.

Explain the attached scan.

Another day, another cancelled appointment from the shit show NHS. Never mind clapping them, all I wish on them is a dose of the clap.

“ Tens of thousands of demonstrators rallied in the Place de la Reublique “

This is a curious one when you think about it.

‘Tens of thousands’ affirm the right to free speech and demonstrate against loathsome anti-human perversions of religion. Good.

… but this is about the action of one aberrant individual from an extreme fringe.

Meanwhile – where are the same numbers protesting about the loss of a whole swathe of freedoms imposed by government – not at the fringes, but tight at the heart of society?

No doubt lots of flowers and teddies, and maybe that twat with the piano singing that deal Beatle’s dirge.

Well said! Is this BLM #2 or something?

Meanwhile, I find it strange that while Toby Young dismisses the increasingly overt globalist plan behind the inexorable growth in tyrannical measures and destruction in just about every country as a ‘conspiracy theory’ he is unwittingly or otherwise playing his part in stoking up Klaus Schwab’s aspirations:

‘He notes that in the early 2000s “the political and societal backlash against globalization relentlessly gained strength”, (57) says that “social unrest” has been widespread across the world in the past two years, citing the Gilets Jaunes in France among other movements, and invokes the “sombre scenario” that “the same could happen again”. From Klaus Schwab, Thierry Malleret, Covid-19: The Great Reset

Divide and rule – bring it on! MW

Macron would have been condemning an anti lockdown protest of the same size and sending in the riot police using batons and tear gas. Usual establishment double standards – could it be because one protest strengthens the power of the State whilst the other takes it away? This murder will obviously be used as an opportunity to introduce tougher laws against the enemies of the French state – and the definition of enemy will left vague and open to minister interpretation (people who refuse Covid vaccine?).

There were also tens of thousands on the streets on Saturday in Paris to protest for immigrant worker rights – obviously another globalist backed protest as this went completely un harassed by the police. Most will be unemployed and on benefits soon so they might as well have joined the anti lockdown protests.

My latest (and last) communication with my MP:

Dear Mrs Badenoch

I shall make this a short reply, as I have neither the energy nor the desire to engage any further with you.

I very much doubt you “regret” anything, otherwise the misery/despair/horror that you people are inflicting, would move you into getting this country back on its feet.

I suggest you have a look at this website: lockdownsceptics.org to see with what disdain your trade is now held in.

I do not want a reply to this.

I remain, disgusted.

Now held in?

Fair point. I typed it at speed and in anger.

It is looking very much like a harsh lockdown is expected in Wales, with people expected to stay at home. Back to March.

Good luck with that, Drakeford. This Welshman aint staying at home.

Back to the Middle Ages if drakeford gets his way.

My response to Wikipedia’s annual fund-raising email.

“Dear Wikipedia, Thanks for your email and normally I’d be happy to contribute, but I’m a bit uneasy about how the Great Barrington Declaration appears. The entry appears hostile and partisan. Once this gets sorted out I’ll send my usual donation. Meanwhile thanks for all your hard work, much appreciated.”

They are the same with stuff like 911. Blatantly an inside job. 3 steel framed skyscrapers.. straight down collapses. Two hit by planes.

My initial reaction to 911 on the morning was. I could not believe “they” would do that. I wasn’t thinking abut “The Terrorists” from “the middle East” either.

Re. 9/11, no mention either of Dubya Jr.’s brother Marvin being in charge of the company providing electronic security for the World Trade Center, Dulles International Airport and United Airlines (the company was backed by an investment firm, the Kuwait-American Corp., also linked for years to the Bush family).
Nor of Mr Larry Silverstein, who pocketed one of the most lucrative insurance payouts in known history thanks to the attacks (Silverstein changed the standard insurance policy on the buildings to include a clause covering the occurrence of a terrorist attack less than 2 months before September 11th, 2001 – Silverstein negotiated with 24 insurance companies for a maximum coverage of $3.55 billion per catastrophic occurrence. Silverstein ate at the Windows of the World restaurant on the top floors of the North Tower every morning except on September 11th… Silverstein says he had a doctor’s appointment instead. After 9/11, Silverstein put in a claim that there had been two separate attacks and he was therefore entitled to double the $3.55 billion coverage provided by the policy. After a long legal battle lasting several years, Silverstein finally won $4.55 billion
from the insurers).
The ‘pandemic’ is proving just as lucrative a racket almost 20 years on …

i did that a week ago. . i actually got a reply which was basically “not out fault”
and which then said
“The Wikimedia Foundation is a nonprofit organization whose mission is to enable people around the world to collect and develop educational content under a free license or in the public domain, and to disseminate it effectively and globally. The Foundation does not endorse political candidates, or have an agenda other than our mission. The idea of a neutral point of view is one of our core principles.
Wikipedia is a global project managed by tens of thousands of volunteers from around the world. Many people do not know this, but the Wikimedia Foundation does not control or edit the content of Wikipedia. We are here primarily to provide infrastructure and support the volunteer community. They are people from virtually all walks of life, who edit and contribute everyday, and they reflect a vast number of viewpoints. There is no central editorial board; all edits are made by individual members of the Wikipedia community.
The volunteer editors appreciate hearing viewpoints about content, and value input from readers that can help improve the quality of information. If you have specific corrections or facts to offer, volunteers require citations or facts from reliable, high-quality sources to review and improve the information.
Wikipedia volunteers are strongly focused on the editorial values of non-censorship, neutrality, verifiability, and what is termed ‘no original research.’ All volunteers invested in the quality of Wikipedia are working collectively to build balanced, neutral articles that reflect a variety of perspectives on often complex, high-profile topics. Content and information can change quickly to reflect world events and new facts.”

Just looked at the entry again, It is still a hatchet job .. to the point that it has to mention that the sponsors have investments in fossil fuel companies – so spoor of the devil .

A few years back they had a purge on low carbers, including removing Malcolm Kendrick and nearly doing the same to Tom Naughton. It is obviously edited by people with an agenda (you should read some of the dialogue) and is not only anti-low carb but pro-vegan. Knowledgeable people who tried to edit some of their pages had their edits removed and were banned from further editing.

Unbelievably I heard of someone who corrected a minor error on the page about a vintage bus. His edit was immediately removed and the wrong information replaced.

The problem is that their editors take ownershipof “their” pages and disallow anyone else’s point of view.

Once this gets sorted out I’ll send my usual donation

I do not understand why anyone would ever make a contribution to Wikipedia. They have been censoring information on a massive scale. They have an army of ‘editors’ that makes changes to information that do not fit their agenda or that of their corporate sponsors.

Wikipedia is never a reliable source of information – not allowed to use them as a reference for school. university and other assignments or books, etc. It is an ok place to get some basic information and then to widen your search for the ‘real’ information.

If you have spare money please make donations to the Free Speech Union .

Had the unfortunate pleasure of watching our taxes being spent in anger a few short days ago.

Passing along a tourist free tourist street I encounter a scene from Farenheit 451 and the brown shirts all rolled up into one with a special 2020 bow on top.

A grubby woman dressed all in black, not uniform personal choice, was standing in a waitress-blocked doorway to a café. The unmasked lady with a mat of tangled hair in black was looking down at the pavement and her shoes as she spoke on her moblie phone. The waitress stood in attendence arms folded and masked.

“You are to close immediately”, said Julie into her phone – she being the almighty council environmental officer dressed all in black by her own choice. Julie went on to explain a ‘licensed café’ cannot possibly be allowed to remain open and there was a clear risk to those inside who were sitting quietly obeying diktats and rules with the careful assistance of the waiteress.

The waitress had already told Julie that the café had carefully altered their premises to accomodate all manners of goop and distances, they were not serving alcohol and had used the Scottish Government book of oppressions exactly to arrange the new basis on which to operate.

Julie the Black had her prey, she was just now going through with the kill. Julie spoke into her phone, “I need your email address so that I can send you the paperwork, you are now to close immediately”. Julie then recounted the email address, a hotmail one, to the street. Grubby Julie broke GDPR guidelines at that moment.

That was it. Julie was gone and livelihoods too. The café to close.

Other shop keepers came out to see. I briefed them, they are a kind well used to council show-ups for arbitrary enforcements and pit of stomach harrassments. These people work despite the council hinderance. They need to band together, but with so many, many confusions finding a commonly held understanding and consequent objective has been near impossible, to this point.

She could have refused to close – like gym in Liverpool.

We’d have backed her.

This was always going to bring out peoples inner Hitler.

I went off Jeremy Clarkson a bit yesterday. He wrote:

“A public information ad that nobody much paid attention to when it first appeared last year started doing the rounds last week. It suggested that girls who can no longer be ballet dancers should think about retraining for a career in cyber-technology. This made a lot of young people very angry, and I’m not sure why.
Covid-19 forced theatres to close. So it’s pointless sitting at home, banging your fists on the floor, saying, “I want to be a ballet dancer”. It’d be like mewling and puking with rage because you can’t be a town crier or a switchboard operator. ”

I think Clarkson’s lack of empathy shows him as a bit of a psychopath. Not being able to earn your living as a ballet dancer is nothing like not being “being a town crier”. It is not a redundant profession, rather an innocent activity that has been suddenly outlawed. I have no interest in ballet, but I have enough empathy to see that it something that is loved by many, spectators and performers. If he can’t see how devastating it must be to dream of being a dancer, to practise it for years and then be denied the chance to express yourself and earn your living from it overnight, by arbitrary government edict, then he is a cruel person.

Suddenly losing your respect for somebody is one of the many consequences of this never-ending disaster.

Agree. I spent much of yesterday at the Daily Telegraph trying to argue that the arts (dance, music, drama) actually matter in society – and that the extraordinary skill should be respected and the years of training honoured. Almost no support – apparently being a delivery driver is more important.

I don’t think this should even be a relevant if the arts actually matter in society or not – the government should not have the power to shut down peoples business and people should be free to pursue their interests regardless of any individuals opinion on how important it is to society.

The prosperity we knew was a result of our liberty. Take away the liberty and the prosperity will disappear also. The only way to protect our prosperity which includes the arts is to protect our liberty.

Do we even have a ‘society’ if interaction with one another is curtailed so extremely and collective activities and interests are destroyed? We just become human bodies who happen to live on the same land mass and pay taxes into the same pot (if we are allowed to make a living).

I just completely agree with this D o we even have a ‘society’ if interaction with one another is curtailed so extremely and collective activities and interests are destroyed? We just become human bodies who happen to live on the same land mass . I wrote about 2/3 of a book on this very subject – in form of conversations and part-biographies of various (non-famous) individuals. Got about 2/3 of the way through and abandoned it about a year ago.

Delivery drivers can’t be said to bring beauty into the world, in my limited experience.

I don’t understand this strange point of view, and I’m pretty sure that almost everyone who disagreed with you on the Telegraph enjoys the arts in one form or another. What a dull world it would be without them. I’m sure delivery drivers would get very bored driving around with no music to listen to on the radio…

I suppose we could survive with food parcels being delivered to us by men in vans, travel nowhere, sit in silence, play no music or sport and just listen to talk shows on the radio about coronavirus all day… but I wouldn’t call that living. Arts/culture/sport/travel, for me all of these things make life worth living.

If Sweden can hold out and play their cards right they could become the arts capital of Europe. It’d do wonders for their economic recovery.

I know a sceptic who is having a very hard time working in the industry as all their colleagues are full on Covid zealots and support compulsory masks outdoors.

The Arts have done little to help themselves they have pretty universally been in full support of so called ‘peaceful’ protests by BLM but have been completely silent on police brutality against lockdown protestors and usually strongly condemn us. Most if not all in the public eye fully support tough Melbourne style police state measures in exchange for handouts. I fully recognise the value of the industry and the skills involved but they are part of their own demise.

If they are happy (or outright supportive) for me to be beaten and sent to a state internment camp I am less than sympathetic to them being sent to the unemployment office. Really had enough of their self righteous snobbery in the media – especially the Guardian.

When people finally work out what has happened to them, that building not far from Kings Cross station will be burned down to the ground, hopefully together with the smug, self-satisfied pillocks who write their articles for them.

I know a rock music promoter who is infull denial, thinks if we all do as we are told his industry might survive. A few months ago he was convinced the vaccine was around the corner, last week he was all about how Track’n’Trace was going to save us all.

They told us it was a ‘new normal’ back in March and this involves social isolation, distancing and technological control. The message was clear.

The rock music promoter will probably still blindly believe the government on his death bed – Dr Bill Gates has said we won’t be going back to old normal even with the vaccine so the rock concerts of old are gone – unless people like him finally wake up.

He was aghast when I suggested one way forward was to get the kids back in the mosh pits but hey, he’s been in talks ‘with people at government level’.

The Arts have done little to help themselves ….
This was the basic argument I was contending with yesterday. Now I agree that most high-profile people a Woken fools, and am the first to say that people who have studied Shakespeare, drama and literature should be aware of this …..
but –
(a) idiotic opinions do not undo the undoubted skill they (most of them) possess;
(b) the vast majority of practitioners and participators do not hold those views
(c) beauty and the arts are bigger than the current set of Woken fools, and have their roots deep deep in our culture
(d) What is the purpose of life without beauty?
(e) unless one generation teaches the next the skills can be lost within a few years. A musician’s body cannot do manual labour and also play an instrument. The closing of universities seems to me to have one main objective – to prevent generations of students (a mere three year-turnover) passing on hobbies, interests, skills and societies.

Agree with you on this. I work in museums & heritage and like the arts they have done precious little to help themselves. They jump on the BLM bandwagon but are curiously silent on the assault on our civil liberties and right to earn a livelihood. If anything they seem to want more draconian measures and demand for more money from the state rather than to campaign to end lockdown, social distancing and masks so that they can recoup their lost revenue and keep their museums open.

I have reached the point now where I view them as collaborators and complicit in this ongoing horror show and will not be sorry when they go on the dole and their museums, galleries and stately homes go bust.

They will reap what they sow.

I have reached the point now where I view them as collaborators and complicit in this ongoing horror show
I agree with you on this

and will not be sorry when they go on the dole and their museums, galleries and stately homes go bust.
They will reap what they sow.
But disagree strongly on this. They might lose their job, but it is we who lose access to their expertise and into the bargain goes our culture, history and inheritance, we who lose our society and our reasons to be alive.

They might lose their job, but it is we who lose access to their expertise and into the bargain goes our culture, history and inheritance, we who lose our society and our reasons to be alive.

Agree that this will be one of the casualties of this insanity however the museums & heritage sector aren’t helping one jot with their cowardice. It seems to me that they don’t care that we the people lose our culture, history and inheritance.

If they seriously cared they would have been coming together to campaign to end this nonsense and even disobey the regulations. If they’re fined, refuse to pay and keep the courts clogged with this insanity for 10,000 years.

Ironic really.

They protest the injustices of centuries gone by whilst vehemently advocating for the modern day slavery of the muzzle and the lockdown.

What’s the difference between a mask and a slave collar?

Agree. And the sad thing is I don’t think they can spot the difference even if it smacked them in the face.

Zombies can be deluded into wearing masks voluntarily.
I doubt if that was possible with slave collars.
Only difference.

Sounds like the Taliban

I kind of get Clarkson, sometimes, but here he is just being an arse. If it’s raining, there’s no point getting upset about it. Rain is inevitable. Accept it. But the destruction of the arts, for no better reason than to save the PM’s political career, is neither inevitable not can it ever be accepted.

“ he is just being an arse”

That’s all he’s good at, surely.

I kind of get Clarkson, sometimes, but here he is just being an arse.

lol, well of course he is. It’s his trademark.

Clarkson was always a self opinionated, narcissistic, psychopathic prat of the highest order. Have you just realised it?

lol, I wouldn’t take much notice. He’s the king of “troll”. Have you never seen him on Top Gear/ the Grand Tour? He even trolls his fellow presenters, yet they all stick together.

Most of the time he is just larking about and winding people up.

Most of the time he is just larking about and winding people up.

You forget why Clarkson was fired from ‘Top Gear’. He was given his marching orders after he reportedly spent 20 minutes berating a producer, one OisinTymon, before physically assaulting him during a fracas over the lack of hot food after filming.

For that instance of ‘larking about’ he, and the BBC, had to pay Tymon in excess of £100,000. But that’s a cheap price to pay for a laugh isn’t it?

It is right to acknowledge doom-mongers can get it right.

Prof Graham Medley an expert on SAGE, on the Today programme on the 26th September projected:-

“the UK would see 100 deaths a day in three to four weeks based on the number of cases the country is seeing now (there were 6,874 new cases on Friday) a figure he said is doubling every 10 days. ”

My quote come from an online Guardian article. The Friday referred to was the 25th Sept.

On the “doubling every 10 days” – this didn’t quite happen.

But the mortality prediction was reached within three weeks – well almost. The 7 day average on the 12th Oct. was 99.1 (see:- https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/deaths )

What I find puzzling is Prof . Medley said he thought the IFR was 1% but could be as be as low as 0.8% .

Well 6,874 x 1% = 69 (approx)

So how did arrive at the “100 deaths a day” prediction? He seemed to suggest it was unstoppable given the number of cases on the 25th, September not withstanding the restrictions introduced that day.

“ My quote come from an online Guardian article.”

‘Nuff said.

Mortality at 99.1????? No – the moving average was around 60. (CEBM)

It’s more than 60. England alone is above 60 if date of death is used.

Even at that number 100 per day would only equal a bad flu year. But still nothing like HK flu in 1968.

Exactly. All he would have had to do would be look at the normal range of deaths and pick a number. Because 2020 is nothing special.

The problem is the trend. It would be useful if people could get this.

But the figures are based on faulty data, so any “trend” is meaningless.

What is faulty about the data?

Well, first of all you need to be clear about what data you are referring to.

Hospital admissions? Much has been already said about how that is currently being manipulated.

PCR test results? The PCR test was never designed for the purpose for which it is now being used and does not detect live, viable virus. At best it detects viral genetic fragments.

Well, first of all you need to be clear about what data you are referring to.

Deaths.

Regarding mortality, the only reliable figures as a basis for comparison are those for overall all causes mortality:

Latest ONS analysis:

In August 2020, there were 34,750 deaths registered in England, 2,060 deaths fewer than the five-year average (2015 to 2019) for August; in Wales, there were 2,379 deaths registered, 116 deaths fewer the five-year average for August.

The leading cause of death in August 2020 was dementia and Alzheimer’s disease in England (accounting for 10.9% of all deaths) and ischaemic heart disease in Wales (11.0% of all deaths); both leading causes of death were the same in July 2020.

The coronavirus (COVID-19) did not feature in the top ten leading causes of death in August 2020, in England or Wales. In England, COVID-19 was the 24th most common cause of death’

These figures quite clearly show that the ‘pandemic’ is a panic; silly confection

September’s ONS analysis available shortly

How do you define a death from/of/with covid? Does that definition match the stats you’re using?

It doesn’t matter too much – providing the data is used consistently.

Let’s suppose 50% of deaths attributed to Covid are not actually due to Covid at all. If the reporting and recording is consistent then it won’t affect the trend.

It will affect the actual numbers but if deaths are doubling every, say, 2 weeks, it just means the current number will be reached in 2 weeks time.

The only thing consistent about the data is its lack of consistency:

‘Analysis of COVID-19 deaths in this bulletin, includes only those deaths with an underlying cause of death of COVID-19, referred to as “due to COVID-19”. This is different from deaths “involving COVID-19” used in other publications, which includes deaths that had COVID-19 mentioned anywhere on the death certificate, whether as underlying cause or not.’

ONS

‘Coronavirus (COVID-19) deaths are those deaths registered in England and Wales in the stated week where COVID-19 was mentioned on the death certificate. A doctor can certify the involvement of COVID-19 based on symptoms and clinical findings – a positive test result is not required. ‘

ONS

‘Our definition of COVID-19 includes some cases where the certifying doctor suspected the death involved COVID-19 but was not certain, for example, because no test was done. Of the 46,736 deaths with an underlying cause of COVID-19, 3,763 (8.1%) were classified as “suspected” COVID-19. Including mentions, “suspected” COVID-19 was recorded on 8.4% (4,251 deaths) of all deaths involving COVID-19.’

ONS

Everyone clear?

As mud.

Let’s suppose 98% of deaths attributed to covid are not actually due to covid. Does that change anything?

If you’re happy to have your country wrecked on the basis of stats that appear to have little basis in reality, that’s fine. I need better evidence. Not enough people are dying to justify this, end of.

Hospital admissions are doubling every 10 days. Deaths follow admissions with a lag of a week. Predict deaths based on admissions rather than cases. Much less confounded by testing practices.

How do you define “hospital admission” and where does your data come from?

The NHS report daily report who have tested positive at admission (positive in past 14 days) and those who have tested positive within 24 hours of admission. There is also a category for those who are suspected of COVID19 – (shortness of breath, temperature, cough) but not yet confirmed. These numbers are collected daily and consistently. Any changes signal a trend.

OK, so if as I believe is the case they test everyone admitted regardless of what for then the “covid admissions” simply reflect the total numbers of people being admitted to hospital for whatever reason, combined with the % of false positives and the general prevalence of the virus in the population. So a trend doesn’t necessarily reflect an increase in people ill with covid who need hospital treatment.

Why would there be a trend in false positives? As soon as schools opened in early September, hospital admissions took a 90 degree turn on a log scale and started climbing. They continue to do so six weeks later.

My figures come from:-

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/healthcare?areaType=nation&areaName=England

My issue with the hospitalisation figure being quoted in the headlines is that they are testing EVERYONE – not just people with covid symptoms.

ITU admissions are tracking at a constant fraction of those COVID19 positive hospitalizations. Conincidence? Influenza admissions are not, and patients are also tested for influenza by PCR.

You need context for the numbers. Look at years past. Are we seeing anything of note?

Remember, flu has been eradicated this year. Everywhere. Inclusing the UK

I’m afraid even when enlarged the graphs are too small for me to read. Accepting that flu is no longer present? How does one account for that? Heaven forfend it has not been brought about by all the mask wearing ! ?

It basically says there has been no flu reported by the ONS. Same in Ireland, no flu.

https://www.hpsc.ie/news/title-20415-en.html?fbclid=IwAR3bMA_0sb346x6kHpkUzq-JjinO8z4L9PRJlaHIWpFw_vrWo0DgPQxwWyA

Same in Australia, no flu.

97% collapse globally

On BBC Breakfast this morning, the leader of one of the Greater Manchester councils, Sean Fielding of Oldham, stated that there are sixty-five people in Greater Manchester’s hospitals with coronavirus. At this point the BBC apparently lost interest.

What is amazing is that this epidemiological house of cards, seven months on, is still built on such shaky foundations as the undefined terms ‘with Covid’ or ‘cases’.

When I stand back, it is astounding that we still have no reliable measure of illness actually caused by this much talked-about virus.

The Science of the Coronavirus is pseudoscience: all of it. The lockdowns, the two metre social distancing, the Rule of Six, the one metre plus, the face coverings, the ten o’clock rule, the standing face covering required but sitting not required, etc. It is all just a made up Just So story, sold by fear-mongering, moralising, science-sounding propaganda.

Of course.

But it works! That’s the point, and what needs unpicking.

The only crowded cafes are where brains have gone out to lunch. Otherwise, why would even the averagely intelligent person not have clocked the disjunction between all the barmy measures imposed by government and the simple fact that they’re still saying “Woooo … there’s a terrifying virus around!”

In a rational world, you would immediately clock that they have not got anything right – even in terms of their own narrative.

Instead, the public comes back to lap up more shit soup.

https://viewsandstories.blogspot.com/2020/10/coronavirus-pseudoscience.html

Pure theatre to keep up the dEaDlY pAnDeMiC narrative. If it were true we wouldn’t need stupid diktats and slogans.

What exactly was the FACE bit of the latest mantra about ?

Hands (wash/use hand sanitiser) Face (wear face covering) Space (observe social distancing). They really like the power of three rhetorical device. For them it is more important than the actual content of the message.

Cunts. Buggers. Fuends.

Liars. Terrorists. Fascists.

Destroyers. Killers. Smashers.
*****
Hell, it’s addictive!

Oh, same old then.

Power of three =
Ein Volk
Ein Reich
Ein Furhrer

In the convenience store a small older man asked where was my mask?
I told him ‘exempt at which he replied
“Oh you would be, why aren’t you working today ?”
I realised that he was a junior back-office worker for my employer.
Naturally I wanted to call him a ‘cheeky little c*nt’ but to avoid unpleasantness for the shopkeeper contented myself with staring down at him until he shuffled away.

Here’s a good article published on 2020-10-16 by the American Institute for Economic Research. The article has been written by a chemistry PhD with experience in PPE.

He explains why he thinks masks are not only ineffective but also a viral transmission intermediary. He points out that masks are quite a congenial environment for SARS-CoV-2 because the mask material doesn’t break down the virus molecules.

I’m starting to think the only route to getting the general public to stop wearing masks is to convince them that wearing a mask makes it more likely that they will become infected with SARS-CoV-2.

We need a badge stating “Masks are bad for your health”.

Your wish is my command. A badge with that message is now available on Redbubble .

As with all my stuff on Redbubble I’ve reduced the margin to 0% to make the items as cheap as possible.

If you have a cheaper way to produce the badges, help yourself to the image and have at it. All my designs are free to use for any purpose.

It’s been said that a fit young person who is unlikely to feel ill effects of Covid if they catch it might actually become unwell because of being unable to exhale Covid gunk from behind a mask.

I do know of a few who have had the rona, or rona-like symptoms. All compliant people.

There has been an awful lot of chatter about vaccination ID. Now work this out

C. O. V. I. D. = Certificate of Vaccination ID

Now do you see what I see?

To many want to keep the blinkers on and pretend its simply incompetence leading us to disaster…’It couldn’t possibly have been planned’…theyre in for a shock.

There are elements of planning in this. There are also elements of incompetence and stupidity.

Of course it has been planned. Bleedin obvious innit!

Defo damo, planned for years and the suckers are falling for it

You forgot 19 !
Alphabetically:
1 = A rtificial.
9 = I ntelligence.

Obviously I see the plot to impose Chinese level control and digital ID but Coronaviridae is new latin, the word is well over 100 years old, corona meaning crown or circle and vidae meaning virus. Co-vid. Though glancing at the dozens of different corona viruses it might be interesting to note that cov-sars 2 (covid-19) is the only one I can see also referred to as covid. The elites like their funny numbers and games..

How curious:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/time-to-stop-the-coronavirus-gravy-train-vtsqnwcfc
https://www.bcg.com/world-economic-forum/davos
https://www.mckinsey.com/featured-insights/davos-2020
https://www2.deloitte.com/global/en/pages/about-deloitte/articles/davos-insights.html

Sop The Times has just clocked the billions being chucked on a rubbish tip? Wow! That was quick!

I mean, whenever most of us hear names like ‘Serco’ etc., we reach to feel for our wallet.

Not a lot of excess death going on:

Source: https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps

Yep. A statement of the bleedin’ obvious, isn’t it? Even taking into account the Euromomo methodology.

Is that for week 40 only, or year to date?

Great Manchester MP admitted to hospital ‘with covid’:

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-greater-manchester-mp-yasmin-qureshi-hospitalised-with-covid-19-12108304

In a statement, she said: “Two weeks ago, I began to feel unwell. I then tested positive for COVID-19, so my family and I immediately self-isolated at home. I have not travelled to Westminster or anywhere else.

“I continued to work as best I could remotely, attending virtual meetings and doing casework, but after 10 days, I began to feel much worse and on Saturday I was admitted to the Royal Bolton Hospital with pneumonia.

I wish her well. Obviously well on the road to recovery if she has been able to make a statement only two days after being admitted to hospital.

You can’t test positive for Covid 19. What hope do we have when they have no clue.

So pneumonia not covid, what bollocks.

The mind control is really ramping up.

Pish, why don’t they all fuck off and leave us alone.

Covid can lead to pneumonia. In fact that’s what tends to happen in the more severe cases.

So can a cold which is also a coronavirus.

About 15% of colds are caused by coronaviruses, but most are caused by rhinoviruses.

Or a flu.

Many things can cause pneumonia – maybe this is your own web page?

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/pneumonia/symptoms-causes/syc-20354204

Yes I know. It’s quite possible that it’s not Covid-related in the MP’s case but symptoms and a positive test would suggest it probably is.

No – not my clinic. Mayo is an old nickname which came about because a girlfriend’s (later wife) family came from Co. Mayo in Ireland.

Of course. With the emphasis on ‘can’.

As others have pointed out – many viral infections can lead to the bacterial infection of the lungs : pneumonia.

The problem lies in the slackness inherent in identifying the prime cause and, in particular, assuming a PCR+ test pins it down. To quote Kary Mullis :

“Somebody who’s got a particular virus generally is going to have anything that you can test for. To test for a specific virus, and suggest that the result has any special meaning is a problem in terms of interpretation”

I get all this but the MP had symptoms – as well as a positive test. That narrows things down a bit.

Pneumonia does not have to be bacterial.It’s an inflammatory response in the deep lung sacks caused by infection. Infection may be by virus, bacteria, fungus (REALLY nasty) and occasionally parasites.A diagnosis of pneumonia and a positive SARS-COV2 test, especially from the lower respiratory tract, would be concerning and is the definition of COVID19 – the disease. I hope she makes a good recovery.

ONS: “A death can be registered with both COVID-19 and Influenza and Pneumonia mentioned on the death certificate. Because pneumonia may [my emphasis] be a consequence of COVID-19, deaths where both were mentioned have been counted only in the COVID-19 category ” [my emphasis].

[I wonder how and by whom that judgment was made? It is surely solely a matter of the ordering of factors on the death certificate?]

This might help to explain partly why in England and Wales, deaths in weeks 1 to 40, 2020 inclusive where “influenza and pneumonia” are “mentioned” were 60,327. This is 16,756 lower than the five-year average of 77,083.

Pneumonia is a complication of SARS-CoV-2 virus infection that sometimes leads to death.

It’s also a complication of influenza virus infection which also sometimes leads to death.

It is important to distinguish between the virus (SARS-CoV-2) and the disease it causes (Covid-19).

So her pneumonia is not necessarily caused by the SARS-CoV-2 virus, but she will clearly say that it is since she had a positive PCR test.

Pneumonia is a disease not a virus.

Pneumonia is also a complication of wearing a mask.

Perhaps it is. I’ve never worn one.

Would it not be correct to say that pneumonia is one of those Graeco Latin coinages which merely describes the symptoms, in this case “lungs containing some fluid”, just as “blepharitis” describes the symptom of “itchy eyelids”? In neither case does it tell you anything about the cause of the symptoms, nor is it necessarily much help in determining how best to treat it.

Wearing a mask too long without changing it?
Not washing her hands both before and after touching her mask?
Putting her mask down on contaminated surfaces?

The deputy chief medical officer warned you about the dangers as long ago as March.

Brilliant cartoon by Jerm

Jerm’s interview with Dr Reiner Fuellmich

https://youtu.be/mJq_lCcMPnI

https://jermdraws.com/blog/dr-reiner-fuellmich-says-lockdowns-are-a-crime-against-humanity

Brilliant interview… must listen

Unmasked corruption?..

Minister of Health Herr Span

In a warehouse in Hessen millions of masks from China in limbo waiting to be payed for……..

In March 2020, the Federal Ministry of Health (Germany) decided to procure protective equipment itself: with more than 700 contracts for a total of around 6.4 billion euros . Now suppliers sit on the ordered goods and wait for their money.

Back in 2009 in The Assault on Liberty Dominic Raab wrote:

Draconian measures will always undermine liberty. But there is scant evidence they have made us safer.

I have not taken him out of context or cherry picked. The same sentiment is expressed over and over throughout the book. Whatever happened to Dominic Raab?

I think he became Foreign Secretary.

They all talk a good fight. One junior minister has resigned his post, and a few backbenchers are now consistently voting against the government. That’s it.

Hospital discharge rates would be appropriate to look at. How many of the admissions are getting out? How fast is the turnaround?

The Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine are a good source for this type of information.

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/covid-19-uk-hospital-admissions/

Evil Davos Rockerfeller Cummings Misfits Thoughts #1

If I was the government I would make the flu jab a placebo this year and then blame most of the extra flu deaths on covid.

There has been a lot of talk here about Klaus Schwab and the World Economic Forum’s Great Reset programme.  To what extent there exists an organized conspiracy is debatable, but it is in the interest of the WEF to promote lockdown – economic collapse will help them usher in the New World Order.  It’s my bet that many of the leading members of SAGE and the public-sector elite generally are sympathetic to the idea of a world government, though I doubt they’re taking direct orders from Schwab. To that list, you can add people like Starmer, Blair, Justin Welby, and, yes, indeed, many left-leaning Tories, including the bogeyman himself, Matt Hancock.  As for Schwab, you only need watch and listen to this man for a minute to realise he’s a nutcase. Why do so many of the “great and the good” and the “movers and shakers” support the aims of the WEF? I suspect it’s a mixture of self-interest and idealism. Of course, any world government is unlikely to be headed up by the wise but rather people like some of those mentioned – which is to say, candidates for the lunatic asylum.

I highly recommend this latest podcast by James Corbett which explores the Great Reset in some detail:

https://www.corbettreport.com/greatreset/

I don’t know if this has been posted before, but unless you are keen to die in a fit of apoplexy, I suggest you don’t read it.

I’ve been having a bit of a look into this. What’s very strange is that if you search his name on Google, it’s basically just 12 pages of the same news stories all repeated. There doesn’t appear to really be anything other that about him. The last three results are relevant, but it looks like they are just machine generated from some social media aggregator platforms.

Exactly. Thin on detail. These stories do reverbarate through AI echo chambers.

The 13 year old Muslim boy who made the news at the start of this was reported using the picture of an Irish boy who took his own life in 2017. Of course, it was never checked for validity and it went out around the world.

https://fullfact.org/online/pictures-dead-teenagers-false/

cut and paste media propaganda. It’s all too tedious in their blatancy.
It’s the same as Orange Man Bad media stories. If it’s negative, it’s everywhere. If it’s positive, it’s buried.

From the Save Our Rights fb group

They don’t know and they don’t care. As clear a demonstration as you could wish for that the government DO NOT CONSIDER COVID EXCEPTIONALLY DANGEROUS because if they did and they actually wanted to do something about it this is for sure one of the most basic data items they’d be looking to gather. SAGE and the government appear to have NOTHING of practical use about the virus since it started.

Actually. I hadn’t thought of it like that. Good point.