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198435 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 37, #1 of 1969 🔗

Found something “funny” today…

198437 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 7, #2 of 1969 🔗

Yes, strange that but it does confirm part of Toby’s main text today

198621 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to karenovirus, 16, #3 of 1969 🔗

Reaction to the figures above:

199738 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to Nessimmersion, #4 of 1969 🔗

I like that! 😄

199816 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Lockdown Truth, 3, #5 of 1969 🔗

It could be made better by photoshopping masks onto the sheep and adding comments like ” If it saves one life”

198976 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to karenovirus, 2, #6 of 1969 🔗

It looks an ideal subject for a graph from Hector Drummond, if anyone has the contact details, as I imagine he is deluged.

198467 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 16, #7 of 1969 🔗

How legit are those figures? I have seen that elsewhere and i would like to circulate them, but if they are false then that will blow back in my (our) faces.

198522 ▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #8 of 1969 🔗

Well the year hasn’t finished yet and it presents it as if we’re safe to compare apples with oranges, so I won’t be sharing this one personally.

198587 ▶▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Tee Ell, 7, #9 of 1969 🔗

But we are 5/6ths of the way through the year so if the figures are legit the huge disparity must be indicative of something even at this stage.

199012 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #10 of 1969 🔗

Except we’re omitting Nov/Dec, and I’d suspect those are sometimes high flu-pneumonia death months? Depends doesn’t it – but it’d be better to compare with the numbers for point in the year for the other years.

198664 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #12 of 1969 🔗

This was posted yesterday. I asked about the missing years 2018/19 for flu and 2018 and 2019 for pneumonia. Missing years raises questions.

199033 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to stewart, 3, #13 of 1969 🔗

Look for yourself. Notice the source. This is a global 2020 phenomenon

https://apps.who.int/flumart/Default?ReportNo=7

199024 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #14 of 1969 🔗
198478 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 4, #15 of 1969 🔗

Someone pointed out yesterday that 2018 numbers are missing- not sure what the significance of this is?

198542 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 3, #16 of 1969 🔗

So does that make it a fraudemic?

199400 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 7, #17 of 1969 🔗

I suspect that many of the previous years figures for pneumonia and flu were a convenient catch-all for cause of death in the very elderly.
I don’t know about anyone else, but I don’t know of anyone who died from the flu. I know people who’ve had it and been very ill, but they’ve not died. I’m sure some people do, e.g. those already vulnerable.
My late father-in-law had pneumonia put on his death certificate. I don’t believe he did have pneumonia, but had congestive heart failure, and was just very elderly (he was nearly 95 y.o.)
CV19 has become the new convenient catch-all for many elderly who have died of something else, e.g. heart failure.

199758 ▶▶▶ Sylvie, replying to Lms23, 1, #18 of 1969 🔗

Also worth noting that the UK guidance for doctors on completion of death certificates has become disapproving about putting ‘old age’ as a cause of death on the cert, they’re supposed to be able to identify some health condition. Kicked off by the Shipman case.

199657 ▶▶ Jeremy Enns, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #19 of 1969 🔗

So, does anyone have the source for the numbers presented in the original post? Specifically, the precision numbers for flu and pneumonia in 2020. As another said, we don’t want to share around something that will just end up leaving egg on our collective faces.

200273 ▶▶ Matt Dalby, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #20 of 1969 🔗

I’ve been puzzled by the figures relating to the number of “Covid” deaths. Comparing the running 7 day average with the number of “cases” 2 weeks ago gives an infection fatality rate of at least 1% (much higher if a lot of the tests are false positives). It has long been my suspicion that the majority of “Covid” deaths (at least in the last 3 or 4 months) are from flu or other respiratory conditions. This would explain why the number of deaths has increased over the past couple of months, corresponding with the start of the flu season. My suspicions seem to have been confirmed by the lack of flu deaths this autumn. I can think of 2 reasons why this may be the case, and wonder if there are any health care professionals able to comment on my theory.

Hospital deaths
During the spring it was reported that hospitals had a red zone for Covid patients, and I assume this is still the case. If this is so it could be that all patients with symptons of a respiratory condition are admitted to the red zone as a precaution while waiting for test results. They would then be entered on the system as a Covid admission. If the test came back as negative, meaning they have flu or some other respiratory condition, is the system updated to reflect this, or are they still on the system as a Covid patient? If they subsequently pass away and the system hasn’t been updated they would be recorded as having died of Covid.

Community deaths
If someone dies at home without having had a test or being examined by a G.P. when it comes to completing the death certificate are G.P.s able to tell the difference between Covid and flu, or are they told to put “possible Covid” on the death certificate? If this is the case then that death would be counted in the statistics as a Covid death.

One or both of the above scenarioes would explain why so few flu deaths are being reported, the vast majority of of flu deaths have been classed as Covid deaths. This would mean that the actual number of people dying from Covid is negliable, but the reported number of deaths has been increasing as we enter flu season. Sadly it also means that the number of “Covid” deaths is likely to keep increasing as flu season progresses.

198436 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 21, #21 of 1969 🔗

Fall

198439 ▶▶ RyanM, replying to karenovirus, 20, #22 of 1969 🔗

My six year old and I were walking out of target this afternoon, and he pointed out all the discarded masks in the parking lot.

198441 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to RyanM, 2, #23 of 1969 🔗

Feel free to vote down btw

198449 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 11, #24 of 1969 🔗

Um. If we vote up, it might suggest we like what the picture shows. If we vote down, it might suggest we take your point, but object to it.
So I’ll just say I think the idea is brilliant.

198461 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, 21, #25 of 1969 🔗

It’s a work in progress, I was going to to donate it to Tate Modern but they only offered £60k, I’m holding out for 100.

198464 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 6, #26 of 1969 🔗

You do that.They seldom get a work of art that actually means something!

198468 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to karenovirus, 10, #27 of 1969 🔗

Now you’ll only get £22k.

198472 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to karenovirus, 2, #28 of 1969 🔗

Charles Saatchi?

198479 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to karenovirus, 1, #29 of 1969 🔗

I think I know who you are!!!

198561 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to karenovirus, 3, #30 of 1969 🔗

or dump it outside 10 Downing street

198846 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #31 of 1969 🔗

Excellent, I could launch a Commando Installation in the Rose Garden.

198469 ▶▶▶▶ RyanM, replying to karenovirus, 1, #32 of 1969 🔗

I don’t understand. Why would I vote down?

198481 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to RyanM, 2, #33 of 1969 🔗

Because masks are disgusting- dirty or clean.

198655 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ hammers67, replying to CGL, 2, #34 of 1969 🔗

Like discarded nappies.

198487 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to RyanM, 1, #35 of 1969 🔗

Artistic angst

199468 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to RyanM, 5, #36 of 1969 🔗

It always strikes me that, if these muzzles were as effective as claimed, they’d be contaminated. Why are there no hazardous waste bins around for their disposal?

Of course, they’re not. They’re a nuisance, a sign of thralldom and control. One that our ”masters” are hoping we’ll readily swap for a dose of their very lucrative poison.

See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45F44ZuwL50

198448 ▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 20, #37 of 1969 🔗

Oh, yuk yuk YUK.

All those horrid leaves! How can we bear it?
Chop down all the trees to keep us safe!

198710 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to annie, 18, #38 of 1969 🔗

Can trees catch Covid? I don’t know, but I expect a 45-cycle PCR test on a leaf would show positive.

198735 ▶▶▶▶ Mel, replying to Edward, 9, #39 of 1969 🔗

I dont know, but they cordoned off the trees in my son’s school field with yellow and black tape earlier this year, in case 2 kids touched the same tree and got covid.

Thankfully that madness has now passed.

198777 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Mel, 3, #40 of 1969 🔗

Hope you have a photo, Mel, to wave in the head’s face in future times. 🙂

198925 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mel, replying to JohnB, 6, #41 of 1969 🔗

I do. Unfortunately I dont have a picture of them laying out a path up and across the school field to make sure that two of the bubbles didnt accidentally walk on the same bit of grass.

I’m not joking.

198471 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to karenovirus, 16, #42 of 1969 🔗

I found a ditsy designer version-fabric of course-dumped on the pavement near my home yesterday.

Covid-chic but the 3 ‘R’s have been dispensed with while We Stop The Spread : reuse, recycle,reduce now replaced by hands, face,space.

Will all future discourse be reduced to 3 word slogans I wonder? Much easier to control the plebs if grammar, complexity, syntax and vocabulary are dispensed with

198496 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to wendyk, 11, #43 of 1969 🔗

Newspeak.
Doubleplusgood gobbledygook .

199039 ▶▶▶ Proudtobeapeasant, replying to wendyk, 11, #44 of 1969 🔗

I’m an avid reader in my 60s but I only read 1984 last year, when my son lent it to me. Bits of still stick in my mind, one of which was the fact that the government was trying to reduce vocabulary, which I’m guessing is what you are referring to. I think you’re absolutely right. I have noticed in the last few years that certain words seem to be disappearing – like “oblong” for instance. You rarely hear that used any more – it’s always just “rectangle”. And you can bet your bottom drawer that when you hear the word “floor” it is not the floor that is being referred to but the “ground”, as if there’s no difference between the two. I am determined that I shall teach my grandchildren these two words.

199132 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Proudtobeapeasant, 10, #45 of 1969 🔗

Quite agree: I’ve been observing with dismay, the constant shrinkage of our vocabulary,formerly so rich and varied,as it becomes colonised and stultified by the over use of clunky americanisms: paused, instead of suspended; prior to instead of before; majority of,instead of most; impact on instead of affect-this latter a particular bete noir of mine; avoid plus participle ,which has replaced the use of the negative: on medicine packages one now reads ‘avoid taking more than the stated dose’,whereas formerly one would see ‘do not exceed the stated does’.

Retreat/return back-which I loathe! Divert away,instead of divert. Qualifiers tacked on,as we’re all too stupid to understand self explanatory words.

And aggressiveness instead of aggression; paleness instead of pallor.

Finally, the perfect tense is rapidly becoming extinct: did you let the cat in? replaces have you let the cat in?

And adverbs are on their way out : he grew quicker, instead of he grew quickly.

All a result of the adoption of americanisms.

Rant over.

199277 ▶▶▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to wendyk, 6, #46 of 1969 🔗

Worstest of all is the “he was sat” instead of “sitting” – has crept into every article online and off! Pity the lonely gerund, sat in the gutter without a home.

199381 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Melangell, 3, #47 of 1969 🔗

The gerund is threatened with extinction

200070 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Melangell, #48 of 1969 🔗

‘Went down beach’

200255 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Melangell, #49 of 1969 🔗

My gran said ‘he was sat down’, it’s good Yorkshire.

199285 ▶▶▶▶▶ watashi, replying to wendyk, 5, #50 of 1969 🔗

agreed. we shouldn t shrink our vocabularies, just the opposite! my 6 yr old s new word for the day is woebegone .

199382 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to watashi, 3, #51 of 1969 🔗

Excellent

199413 ▶▶▶▶▶ Polemon2, replying to wendyk, 3, #52 of 1969 🔗

Absolutely. — sorry meant
a) I agree, or sometimes
b) Yes — or even
c) Yes!!!!

199649 ▶▶▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to wendyk, 2, #53 of 1969 🔗

I’ll add my complete distaste for acronyms. I have no clue what most of them mean but I’d best get caught up on them asap haha

199710 ▶▶▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to wendyk, 2, #54 of 1969 🔗

The one I hate is “across” as in across the BBC etc. Bloody annoys me.

199731 ▶▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to wendyk, 1, #55 of 1969 🔗

I kept saying “Americanism” over and over as I read your post. Thanks for confirming. American English is slowly changing British English. Pain in the ass/arse for me since I carefully learned British English when I first came here in the 80s. Now I’m reverting back to American English since y’all are pretty much speaking it anyway.

200084 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to ConstantBees, #56 of 1969 🔗

‘Fall’ title of start thread. ‘English’ or American ?
In many ways American is a purer form of English than current spoken ‘English’ which is why you retain ‘trash’ and ‘garbage’ while we only have ‘rubbish’.
Not sure why your aversion to the word ‘cock’ which is why you have rooster and faucet.

200072 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to wendyk, 1, #57 of 1969 🔗

It can only get worse going forward.

199725 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Proudtobeapeasant, 2, #58 of 1969 🔗

That floor thing is another Americanism that’s crept over to the UK. I grew up in the US in the 60s and the ground was often called the floor, especially by children. I didn’t hear the floor for ground usage here in the UK until some time in the past year or so.

199572 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to wendyk, 5, #59 of 1969 🔗

I think ‘Work, Consume, Obey’ has a nice ring to it.

199585 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Cranmer, 4, #60 of 1969 🔗

Yes, very appropriate for the times.

Or: mask, shield, stop.

198543 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to karenovirus, 9, #61 of 1969 🔗

Yet again this baffles me as to why those who profess to care for the environment are silent on this.

Silly me, they don’t care about littering do they?

198567 ▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Bart Simpson, 22, #62 of 1969 🔗

Exactly. The masks are bad enough but what about all the other plastic waste this nonsense has generated;
Vast increase in single use PPE I.e. plastic aprons etc.
supermarket deliveries reverting to using plastic bags.
Single use plastic cutlery and plates in cafes.
I could go on and I’m sure others can think of more examples but you get the idea.

198583 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 5, #63 of 1969 🔗

And coffee cups after David Attenborough went on and on about them.

198708 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Bart Simpson, 11, #64 of 1969 🔗

They trotted Dave out in Countryfile to exhort everyone to stay safe and stay home.
Time he was found a nice safe home in a cage with the spider monkeys.

198743 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to annie, 9, #65 of 1969 🔗

Agree. I’ve always wonder had David Bellamy still been alive if he would debate with David Attenborough and see who wins.

198839 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, 3, #66 of 1969 🔗

There’s a lovely mini zoo in Shaldon, Devon, with the most poisonous frog in the world. Dave could go there.

199013 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 2, #67 of 1969 🔗

Frog would drop dead.

199618 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to annie, 1, #68 of 1969 🔗

No. I would prefer chimpanzees. Three times as strong as a human, they tear their prey apart, literally limb from limb.

199101 ▶▶▶▶▶ Proudtobeapeasant, replying to Bart Simpson, 13, #69 of 1969 🔗

That’s partly what made me reluctant to go out with my cycling group again because they were going to cafes where they only did take away drinks. I thought – what happened to not using disposable cups any more? Is that no longer an issue??? I went once and took my flask, knowing we’d be sitting outside. One of the members, a lot better off than my husband and I, had, on a previous ride, criticized my re-use of a plastic bread bag for my home-made sandwiches (while she, hypocritically, got her takeaway food and drink) – “it’s still plastic” she said, telling me that all their bread was home made and therefore did not come in plastic bags…. She suggested I use beeswax wraps instead. I’ve always been an environmentally sort of person, but not I think, in the virtue signalling way of today, but her remark incensed me, particularly when I went home and just out of interest looked up the price of beeswax wraps. And yes I know I could make my own but I’m too busy cooking meals from scratch and mending other people’s clothes for pin money and riding my bike to go shopping (I just had to get that bit of virtue signalling in…..).

199154 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Proudtobeapeasant, 4, #70 of 1969 🔗

Well said,and I quite agree,having had similarly irrritating exoeriences.

199770 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sylvie, replying to Proudtobeapeasant, 4, #71 of 1969 🔗

Please tell her that beeswax wraps and eating honey is exploitative of the bees- California, almond orchards, mass transit of hives, sudden death collapse etc etc – and she should have no truck with it.

198821 ▶▶▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 14, #72 of 1969 🔗

You’re NOT supposed to notice all the extra plastic filth and waste generated by the Convid because it is the “excuse” that is needed for the “Great Reset” that our satanic Globalist masters have planned for us, which is going to be climate and planet driven! Notice the little climate puppet, Greta, is back spouting her nonsense…

198967 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 5, #73 of 1969 🔗

Plastic aprons, worn by GP, optician and dentist and his nurse: all seen within past 2 months.

199597 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to wendyk, 4, #74 of 1969 🔗

The disposable towels used by virtue signalling hairdressers completely incensed me.
Surely there are few things more launderable than a cotton towel?

199291 ▶▶▶ watashi, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #75 of 1969 🔗

baffled here too. I heard schools were using disposable plates & cutlery as well?

199458 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #76 of 1969 🔗

They’re embarrassed and pretend not to notice all the contaminated used masks everywhere.

199629 ▶▶▶▶ TyLean, replying to Lms23, 6, #77 of 1969 🔗

Embarrassed? No, they’re just hypocritical assholes who never cared about the environment. Just something for them to be smug about and more selfishness cloaked in the care of other people/things.

200047 ▶▶▶▶▶ T inthecentre, replying to TyLean, 1, #78 of 1969 🔗

Spot on, like all virtue signallers they use a cause to boost their own ego and self-esteem when it suits them, then abandon it when the next popular cause comes along.

198547 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to karenovirus, 1, #79 of 1969 🔗

…of civilisation.

198438 RyanM, replying to RyanM, 18, #80 of 1969 🔗

“without agreeing to a support package…”

What abject nonsense. The only opposition to your dystopian nightmare comes from politicians who are mad that it isn’t a more socialist dystopian nightmare.

198450 ▶▶ annie, replying to RyanM, 3, #81 of 1969 🔗

What would you spend £22 million on, folks?

198457 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, 13, #82 of 1969 🔗

It’s meant to be for more testing and Covid Marshals.
I’d spend it either on street parties or subversion.

198463 ▶▶▶▶ Suze Burtenshaw, replying to karenovirus, 15, #83 of 1969 🔗

22 million would buy a few hitmen, I would imagine….

199598 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Suze Burtenshaw, 1, #84 of 1969 🔗

Hopefully there would be a bit left over to fill in some potholes.

198569 ▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to annie, 7, #85 of 1969 🔗

Leaving this pathetic excuse of a country and relocating somewhere with a modicum of sanity. Preferably a remote island somewhere.

198609 ▶▶▶▶ Sue, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 7, #86 of 1969 🔗

sounds bliss – i’ll join you! Actually i hope next year to take off round europe/elsewhere since i’m being made redundant in march time (by french company so is probably more brexit related than virus…) so may as well take the opportunity to escape this rotten grey little island of misery and flee to the sunshine and beaches.

198712 ▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 5, #87 of 1969 🔗

Most countries are not letting people in you could arrive on a dinghy to be welcomed by Pritti useless Bumbling Doris ,Hancock, Diane Abapotomus etc

198888 ▶▶▶▶ miahoneybee, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 2, #88 of 1969 🔗

That’s a dream I have..keep us posted..

200050 ▶▶▶▶ T inthecentre, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 1, #89 of 1969 🔗

How about Sweden? Dealt with Covid, no lockdown.

199736 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to annie, 1, #90 of 1969 🔗

Deluxe catering for the vulnerable so they could stay in and we could go out.

198440 Cristi.Neagu, 3, #91 of 1969 🔗

Would it be good for many of us to provide this sort of feedback?

Yes, but not copy paste it. Because then they can delete them all by claiming they’re spam.

198442 karenovirus, 8, #92 of 1969 🔗

“The upshot is that Greater Manchester is only going to get £22 million” so only a few more cycle lanes then.

198444 JudgeMental, replying to JudgeMental, 37, #93 of 1969 🔗

My new slogan is “Fight back for Flu”. This new young virus has overstepped the mark as far as I’m concerned. What gives it the right to charge in and take over the number one spot from our reliable and established seasonal virus.

198446 ▶▶ Chris John, replying to JudgeMental, 3, #94 of 1969 🔗

There goes the neighbourhood

198451 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Chris John, 11, #95 of 1969 🔗

Yes, Covid is so middle class.

198466 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, 2, #96 of 1969 🔗

Not a patch on the old Yuppie Flu

198929 ▶▶▶▶▶ Al Pipp, replying to karenovirus, -6, #97 of 1969 🔗

Wow! Well remembered. ME it was called. Lots of middle aged sad woman who traded on their looks seem to get this especially when dumped …

199602 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Al Pipp, 6, #98 of 1969 🔗

I’ve had ME since my mid-30s and I wasn’t middle aged or dumped.
It’s a serious disease so stop taking the p*ss.

199652 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TyLean, replying to Al Pipp, 4, #99 of 1969 🔗

IS called, and it stems from severe mitochondrial dysfuntion likely triggered by envoronmental factors (including pharmaceuticals). Many have been re-diagnosed with Post Viral Fatgue Syndrome. Some very young and very beautiful people have died from ME. (And men get it to, too).

198489 ▶▶ PaulH, replying to JudgeMental, 17, #100 of 1969 🔗

Yes, let’s have a “Campaign for Real Flu”.

I am fed up with this Chinese rubbish, killing our traditional viruses :-\

198495 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to PaulH, 7, #101 of 1969 🔗

Said the flu:
“Boo hoo.
With this pesky Covvie virus
They can afford to retire us.”

198926 ▶▶ Al Pipp, replying to JudgeMental, 5, #102 of 1969 🔗

Agree. Also pneumonia, glandula fever, scarlett fever. Then the NHS diseases (caused by “I am too educated as a nurse to clean & most nurses are fatties’) ..
MRSA, CDIFF,vBef Sores (septicemia)

199116 ▶▶▶ Proudtobeapeasant, replying to Al Pipp, 10, #103 of 1969 🔗

I am always amazed by how many nurses are fat, when they above all people should know better. I was once at a motocross event where an ambulance was called and one of the paramedics was so fat you wondered how she’d ever get to the incident.

198445 LA_Bob, replying to LA_Bob, 7, #104 of 1969 🔗

Anywhere I can get that nice t-shirt?

198800 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to LA_Bob, 2, #105 of 1969 🔗

We want them as well! MW and AG

199297 ▶▶▶ watashi, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 1, #106 of 1969 🔗

I`d like one too please

198447 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 24, #107 of 1969 🔗

This NHS Shutdown Genocide is coming along nicely and it will not be long before progress shows up in the statistics.

The sustainable population of this country is probably little more than the ten million of Napoleonic times – so there is some way to go yet.

In the meantime can we have more videos of TikToking nurses?

198668 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Stuart, 9, #108 of 1969 🔗

Yes, excess mortality will start to rise, especially due to missed cancer screenings and cancelled cancer operations.

A proportion of these will ‘test positive’ helping to sustain the sham.

198452 Chris John, replying to Chris John, 21, #109 of 1969 🔗

6am starts and whisky- strictly business. But it also got me thinking, we have no Robin Hood figure in this story yet. One who is going to mobilise the rest of us. Who is going to be the one to shoot Wanksock so he is forced from the field?
That’s the person we’re all waiting for.
Is that person you?

198844 ▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to Chris John, 2, #110 of 1969 🔗

Or…it could be you!

198905 ▶▶▶ D B, replying to HelenaHancart, 2, #111 of 1969 🔗

No, it should always be someone else…

199589 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Chris John, 13, #112 of 1969 🔗

Nick Whitcombe of Body Tech gym on the Wirral is so far, the only person I have heard of to actually refuse to obey the junta, at the risk of losing his livelihood and presumably, eventual imprisonment. He is an incredibly brave man and we should all be supporting him.

199741 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Cranmer, 5, #113 of 1969 🔗

Have been already. A fiver the other day and another fiver yesterday. I understand that they may have backed down and let the gyms operate in Liverpool. I hope so since other businesses need to band together and fight for their lives.

198453 annie, replying to annie, 29, #114 of 1969 🔗

The opening of a hard-hutting article:

Children and young people are at risk of becoming a “lost generation” because of the UK government’s pandemic policies, members of Sage have warned.
Those aged seven to 24, sometimes called generation Z, have largely avoided the direct health impact of the coronavirus. But, say the government’s scientific advisers, they risk being “catastrophically” hit by the “collateral damage” wrought by the crisis.

And where will you find this article, linked to above by Will/Toby?

The Grauniad!!!

Who let that journalist out of her cage, I wonder?

And the sheer bloody GALL. of Sage ( who know not their onions anyway) denouncing the murderous tyranny that they themselves imposed … Stuff them!

198458 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to annie, 7, #115 of 1969 🔗

I haven’t read the article, but I suggest that Guardian readers will see it from the angle that if Boris had acted earlier with stronger measures we wouldn’t be in this mess.

198486 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Barney McGrew, 7, #116 of 1969 🔗

Like Spain…

198501 ▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Barney McGrew, 7, #117 of 1969 🔗

Johnson is and was always unfit to lead a charge across a minefield let alone a country

198804 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Adam, 6, #118 of 1969 🔗

Johnson is and was always unfit to lead a charge across a minefield …

I’d be happy for him to practise and practise, until he got better at it.

199022 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to JohnB, 2, #119 of 1969 🔗

You mean, until the mines got better at it?

200168 ▶▶▶ T inthecentre, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #120 of 1969 🔗

If it helps, Guardian readers can see sense, I know, I used to be one. Between the championing of the undemocratic remain movement (after the referendum), wokeness, “progressives,” and the hyperbolic fear factory of their Covid newsfeed back in March, I couldn’t take it anymore. Just didn’t want to associate myself with what the left and their media had turned into.

198476 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, 10, #121 of 1969 🔗

I see they are blaming it on the Coronovirus rather than johnsons ridiculous Lockdown, which SAGE would like to be stricter and so cause even more mental anguish.

198550 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 6, #122 of 1969 🔗

Even so, you’d think they’d have noticed that the original shutdown is now long past and it’s today’s Armageddon they need to do something about.

198592 ▶▶ maggie may, replying to annie, 8, #123 of 1969 🔗

I think there are about 100 people in total in SAGE. Not surprising if they don’t all share the views of the ones that are seen on the BBC Robert Dingwall is a sociologist and has written sceptical articles and he is a member of SAGE. Mike Yeadon has more information in his recent article that was featured on LS

199865 ▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to annie, 2, #124 of 1969 🔗

But their number one remedy is Universal Basic Handout!

198454 Helen, replying to Helen, 6, #125 of 1969 🔗

BRI Bavaria and Germany

Germany Marcu Söder Minister president Bavaria
From Söders facebook Feb 2020

Chinas vice president is welcomed to Munich. China is Bavaria’s most important trade partner for building of our business performance with 1,500 companies with trade contracts. WE need not only stable relationship with one another but also reliable framework conditions for German companies as an important component of our economic performance

www.sfe.org.uk/news/china-s-belt-and-road-initiative/

In Europe, Germany is now the most important export market and the most important supplier country for China. The People’s Republic is both a partner and competitor of Germany and Bavaria. This calls for a balanced, strategic approach to shaping economic relations. We must work worldwide for open markets and equal economic treatment and advocate that the opportunities offered by German-Chinese economic relations can be realized fairly and in a future-oriented manner. This study explains the framework conditions for economic relations between China and Bavaria and Germany, analyzes data on developments in recent years and discusses the opportunities and risks of both countries.
Bertram Brossardt July 21, 2020

198504 ▶▶ Adam, replying to Helen, 4, #126 of 1969 🔗

Ah Munich from fascism now to Communism

198455 annie, replying to annie, 26, #127 of 1969 🔗

Ten alleged Covideaths in Wales yesterday.
Total population only around 3 million Soon there’ll be nobody left alive.

198483 ▶▶ CGL, replying to annie, 5, #128 of 1969 🔗

You’ll have the whole country to yourself and Sceptics will have a promised land!

198490 ▶▶ PaulH, replying to annie, 2, #129 of 1969 🔗

Don’t worry.

Drakeford and his mates will be just fine.

198492 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to PaulH, 10, #130 of 1969 🔗

So shall I.
I will live to dance on their graves, with clogs on.

198456 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 11, #131 of 1969 🔗

Dave Cullen @ computing forever YouTube great new vid today.

‘Possible Leaked Roadmap for Next Phase of the Agenda’

Well worth 20 minutes of your time, perhaps someone more skilled than I could post the link (posting with Android so don’t know how).

198459 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to karenovirus, 1, #132 of 1969 🔗

I will go and make a coffee and settle down to watch it…

198500 ▶▶ LS99, replying to karenovirus, 2, #133 of 1969 🔗

I almost duck out half way through, it was so depressing but glad I stuck this one out to the end. What it is to be human is under attack indeed.

198537 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to LS99, 2, #134 of 1969 🔗

Yeah, should have put a trigger warning !

Congrats for seeing it through.

198572 ▶▶▶ Helen, replying to LS99, 1, #135 of 1969 🔗

Yes LS99 exactly my reaction too..

198611 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Helen, 2, #136 of 1969 🔗

Best to know thine enemy and their plans

198535 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to mjr, #138 of 1969 🔗

thank you mjr

198984 ▶▶▶ miahoneybee, replying to mjr, #139 of 1969 🔗

Thank you..its been passed on to all I know sceptics and non sceptic friends if only to plant the seed of thought.. 😉

198691 ▶▶ Jonathan Smith, replying to karenovirus, 4, #140 of 1969 🔗

That was a massive caveat at the beginning. “No idea if this is true or not… but here goes anyway…” Forfeit assets for total debt relief? That’s not debt relief! LMAO. Paranoid conspiracy nonsense. About as plausible as The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

198731 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Jonathan Smith, 2, #141 of 1969 🔗

What if the deal is something like you get to keep the asset but can’t pass it on when you die? I am open to the idea that under cover of the Covid ’emergency’ and the destruction of the economy (hard not to conclude that is happening), the government might be able to justify such a radical measure.

198808 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Jonathan Smith, 2, #142 of 1969 🔗

Given the current state of our society, what do you find implausible about the Protocols ? (Apart from their authorship, naturally).

198937 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Jonathan Smith, 4, #143 of 1969 🔗

What about those of us with assets but no debt (happy to declare that I am in that category)?

199062 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ewan Duffy, 3, #144 of 1969 🔗

Same. No debt.

I think that leaked memo is the stuff of nightmares but best left to others to pursue. The authenticity is not credible for now.

Cashless society is coming however.

199118 ▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #145 of 1969 🔗

Cashless society is the same as total control.

199676 ▶▶▶▶▶ TyLean, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #146 of 1969 🔗

Go read United Nations Agenda 21… or the Great Reset by Klaus Schwab. Credible enough for you?

199326 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Ewan Duffy, #147 of 1969 🔗

What about those of us with assets but no debt … ?

Me too. They’ll shoot us.

199639 ▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to JohnB, 1, #148 of 1969 🔗

Completely incorrect; they’ll bring in negative interest rates to steal your savings a little at a time, then follow it up with a “wealth tax” and much lower exemptions on inheritance tax. Also possibly a capital gains tax and VAT on investment gold (although that won’t work, as the coins will simply and rapidly become the “new cash”.

199052 ▶▶▶ RichT, replying to Jonathan Smith, 4, #149 of 1969 🔗

Whether or not this document is genuine, the core message is not far from the truth. It is no conspiracy that the UN’s Agenda 2030 and the World Economic Forum, are trying to put us on a roadmap to a future were we no longer own anything. They want us to rent everything from the big corporations, just look at Welcome to 2030. I own nothing, have no privacy, and life has never been better.
The only question is are they just taking advantage of the situation to forward their goals or are they controlling it.

199070 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to RichT, 1, #150 of 1969 🔗

Controlling it.

199115 ▶▶▶▶▶ RichT, replying to PastImperfect, 4, #151 of 1969 🔗

This is my gut feeling too. Prepare to call me a nutcase, but I believe the whole situation was manufactured, with the help of China. The hows I don’t know the whys are pretty obvious now. There I said it, but I cannot prove it so these thoughts are merely conjecture. Whether I am right or not, we have to fight this “new normal” as hard as we can. However at the moment I am not seeing a high chance of victory.

199130 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to RichT, 9, #152 of 1969 🔗

Judy Mikovitz was outspoken about the outcome of this dystopia soon after the C-19 pandemic was declared ( and then ‘undeclared’ almost immediately).

Covid-19 is not a disease of significance. However, it is an Event of great existential consequence.

199442 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to RichT, 1, #153 of 1969 🔗

I agree, Rich. Even if large number of people could come together to fight this – by no means a foregone conclusion – how could we succeed if TPTB are determined to bring it in? It would/will require a powerful political movement.

199580 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Jonathan Smith, 2, #154 of 1969 🔗

Your comment would have seemed apposite a month ago.
What about in a month from now?

199671 ▶▶▶ TyLean, replying to Jonathan Smith, #155 of 1969 🔗

You’re a bit slow, aren’t you? Or just extremely lazy,

199748 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Jonathan Smith, #156 of 1969 🔗

I’ve watched a number of his videos. Usually he gets to a point that seems so far-fetched that I bail without watching the whole thing.

199189 ▶▶ RichT, replying to karenovirus, 3, #157 of 1969 🔗

Dave Cullens YouTube channel has been going for years, it was just a video game and film review channel with a lot of subscribers. He has always torn apart really woke films, so his channel was always a bit political. But unlike Icke et al Daves channel never touched on any kind of conspiracy, until the corona came along. He has probably lost subscribers as a result of his views, so it is good to remember he is not doing this for self glorification or to make money (being as most of his recent videos have probably been demonetized).

198460 Helen, 5, #160 of 1969 🔗

F.A.Z.: Time of Death and World Time – October 14, 2020

Geert Mak on the consequences of state corona measures – “revolutions are in the air”.

Contrary to political assertions, the erosion of democracy in fast motion is – and this is Mak’s remarkable approach – not a temporary phenomenon, but the threat of a permanent state of affairs.

In a recent epilogue of his “Great Expectations” published by Settlers, Dutch essayist Geert Mak has warned of the long-term effects of the crisis on open society. According to Mak, the world is facing a new age of global repression, reports the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (F.A.Z.) (Mainstream news)

“Several states will not give up the rules and measures with which they control their populations so quickly, history teaches us”, the newspaper Mak quotes.

Referring to the Hungarian-American historian John Lukacs, who died last year, Mak even believes, that “the end of five centuries of bourgeois culture is possible, because in his opinion there are many indications that a future ‘with less prosperity, less freedom and less openness’ lies ahead for us all.

Editor’s opinion: Mak points to a trend that can be observed globally. Western countries, in particular, are leveraging their own constitution by enacting infection protection laws that have no legitimation whatsoever from the population.

Translated with http://www.DeepL.com/Translator

198462 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 43, #161 of 1969 🔗

https://unherd.com/2020/10/how-cancel-culture-captured-campus/

This article is well worth reading, as it considers the seemingly unstoppable encroachment of woke dogma .

Its conclusions are alarming and confirm my suspicion that Woke rejection of dissent and common sense has infected- deliberate choice of word- the establishment’s disastrous lockdown strategies.

Deaths of the very old and frail have essentially been weaponised, as the emotional manipulation of the gullible and compliant public continues apace.

So the left/ lib bias in the MSM produces ad hominem attacks on eminent scientists and medics who support the GBD and continues to label dissenters as callous and irresponsible.

Professor Heneghan observes, quite correctly, that the UK’s population is growing and ageing., and the death rate rises accordingly.

I’m no spring chicken, but I’m not in any sense vulnerable; I’ve got a Living Will and a DNR card; my choice, my considered decision.

The wholesale devastation and wilful destruction of lives and livelihoods, general well being and hopes for the future, enthusiastically imposed by financially secure politicians , seemingly ad infinitum now ,threatens to dismantle any semblance of representative democracy for the future.

Informed consent, so crucial has been denied ; informed dissent has been suppressed, aided by the blatant double standards seemingly operated by the cops: BLM- hands off; lockdown protests- heavy policing.

I despair, particularly as here in Sturgeon land, She Who Must Be Obeyed tightens her destructive grip on what’s left of our lives, while continuing to hypnotise the faithful, who now see themselves as progressive, but soon to be penniless, Scots.

198474 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to wendyk, 14, #162 of 1969 🔗

See Alex Belfield YouTube
‘Wow reality check’ posted today.

Kemi Badenoch MP gives critical theory & blm a good kicking in the Commons.

198624 ▶▶▶ peter, replying to karenovirus, 10, #163 of 1969 🔗

Good on her, BLM dragged race relations back to the stone age.

198936 ▶▶ Al Pipp, replying to wendyk, -3, #164 of 1969 🔗

Well said. The boomers in the 1945-55 group are due to die around 2025. Actuary told me to invest in funeral parlours. Actuaries are so excited because this the removal of final salary pensioners which are a real drag to our public sector and blue chip companies. I know a 90yr old that went to University and PHD and retired at 55 on final salary pension and has been retired longer than his working life. Lazy spoilt generation. Actuaries are waiting

198963 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Al Pipp, 4, #165 of 1969 🔗

Actually I’m one, but a relatively poor one,who got my first Saturday job aged 15,as our father could no longer afford pocket money.

At university as a very mature student, I had to work in the holidays to make ends meet, while my mainly middle class young colleagues went home.

However, I do agree with you, not least because of the no-questions-asked winter fuel payments and free bus passes which are dished out to all, regardless of income and assets.

I haven’t got a final salary pension either, having had a lengthy period of ill health, but I fully acknowledge the protections and comparative security which we, as a group, receive,and which will be denied to the young.

199179 ▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to wendyk, 6, #166 of 1969 🔗

I try to be optimistic- I think the whole “woke” movement is over-playing it’s hand. It’s got strength at the moment because most people don’t realise what they are doing.

But rather like the Labour movement and the unions in the 70s, they aren’t quite smart enough to see where they are taking things and the backlash will be savage.

Not that what came as backlash for the unions was much better than they were, but all the same they have never recovered and I suspect wokeness will be the same.

199888 ▶▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to Jakehadlee, 5, #167 of 1969 🔗

The tide is certainly turning on the ‘gender’ bollocks. Liz Truss has refused to amend the GRA to allow ‘gender’ self ID (it should be abolished altogether), the BBC has disengaged from the child abuse organisation Mermaids, and schools have been told to stop teaching children that, if they like certain toys and clothes, they must ‘really’ be the other sex.
I even filled in a civil service survey the other day that asked, ‘What sex are you?’, although it was followed by a load of ‘gender’ rubbish that I ignored. Last year it was ‘Which sex were you assigned at birth?’ Some progress, though they’re still bombarding us with the BLM stuff.

200173 ▶▶▶▶ T inthecentre, replying to Caroline Watson, 1, #168 of 1969 🔗

I’m hoping BLM will peter out just like every other virtue signalling craze. Kemi Badenoch did a great job in the commons laying into it and their critical race theory.

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/504168-black-british-mp-racism/

198465 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 38, #169 of 1969 🔗

My feedback on GOV.UK ‘Coronavirus in the UK’ page

Dear Sir,

My feedback on your Coronavirus in the UK page is as follows:

1. A positive PCR test is not a case.

2. Because a positive PCR test is not a case, not necessarily at all infectious, R numbers are impossible to calculate

3. ONS state: ‘ This table includes provisional counts of the number of deaths registered in England and Wales, by age, sex and region, in the latest weeks for which data are available. Includes the most up-to-date figures available for deaths involving the coronavirus (COVID-19).’ ‘Involving’ is not the same as ’caused by’. Are your covid 19 death figures ‘involving’ or ’caused by’?

4. Your rise in positive PCR tests and covid 19 deaths is not showing up in either weekly or monthly ONS overall all cause mortality which has been plumb normal for the time of year since the end of May 2020. That is because:

‘…. most data for all countries is in agreement with our interpretation, namely, PCR positives do not correlate to deaths in the future and are therefore meaningless, on their own, to interpret the spread of the virus in terms of potential deaths.’

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/pcr-positives-what-do-they-mean/

5. As a consequence, your entire page is alarmist and millions of people are terrified unnecessarily as a consequence.

6. Please remove it, or at least amend it to reflect overall all cause mortality in Britain which is bang on the five year average, no need for fear or extreme measures whatsoever.’

198475 ▶▶ annie, replying to Tim Bidie, 31, #170 of 1969 🔗

Dear Sir
You are a person with a brain.
This government only deals in zombies without a brain.
Go away.
Yrs fauthfully
The government.

199601 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Tim Bidie, 3, #171 of 1969 🔗

Dear Tim
Hows yourself? We are in receipt at this current moment in time of your email letter communication and in due course shortly will be passing it on to colleagues in our Rapid Customer Actions Response Team who will be replying back to you in due course shortly within approved regulatory timeframes. We at UK Government value your feedback and are striving towards achieving fairness and diversity for all within a Covid-safe environment.
Yours
Karen Clipboards
UK Gov Customer Feedback Liaison Teams Managing Leader (Diversity and Inclusion Section).

198470 Tom Atkinson, replying to Tom Atkinson, 45, #172 of 1969 🔗

Hi Toby,

Re Google hiding the Great Barrington Declaration:

Stop using Google as your search engine. A couple of years ago, I switched to DuckDuckGo.com as my search engine because, even then, Google was starting to become “unreliable”.

Having used it for a couple of years, I can attest that there is nothing it doesn’t have in its database that Google has. You’re not missing anything, in other words.

The big difference is that DuckDuckGo does not censor, like Google does. Search for “Great Barrington Declaration” and it comes up as the FIRST link.

In fact these are the links that are returned, in order:

  1. The link to the GBD page;
  2. The link to the Wikipedia page on the GBD;
  3. A link to a HITC news article about the GBD;
  4. and onwards, links to other news stories about the GBD.

Stop using Google. You will not miss it!

Best regards and keep up the good work!

198506 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Tom Atkinson, 1, #173 of 1969 🔗

I rather think that as my computer is a chromebook I am rather stuck with google?

198534 ▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to Steve Martindale, 12, #174 of 1969 🔗

No you can change it. Right click in the search bar and in the options/setting functions somewhere you can change the default search engine to whatever you want.

198549 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kenadams, 7, #175 of 1969 🔗

And its easy to do as well.

198727 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #176 of 1969 🔗

Go to settings in your browser and see. Using Chrome you are able to make duckduckgo the default browser.

199008 ▶▶▶ RichT, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #177 of 1969 🔗

just go to duckduckgo.com and type search directly into webpage. Works on any browser on every system. Unfortunately I have a feeling that duckduckgo might be doing a bit of censoring as well. I usually search using dogpile as well just to make sure (dogpile.com).

198536 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Tom Atkinson, 3, #178 of 1969 🔗

The point is that the general public who have heard of it and want to find out more will use Google.

198548 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Tom Atkinson, 3, #179 of 1969 🔗

Unfortunately Google is what people know. I only stumbled upon Duck Duck Go because I was getting fed up with Google’s unreliability.

That said, one has no choice when it comes to a phone as its using Google.

198573 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #180 of 1969 🔗

I use brave browser and duck and go on my phone

198642 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #181 of 1969 🔗

DDG is also available as an app for your phone.
Similarly you can use Brave browser, again an installable App.
I use both as alternatives.
One of Braves limitations is it will only let you read posts like this, i have to use firefox to comment?

198739 ▶▶▶▶ Arkansas, replying to Nessimmersion, #182 of 1969 🔗

You can change the Brave settings for a particular website by clicking the lion icon and, for example, toggling whether scripts are disabled/enabled. I’m commenting using Brave right now.

198875 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Arkansas, #183 of 1969 🔗

Thank you

198745 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Nessimmersion, #184 of 1969 🔗

That’s a good idea – will check it out.

198827 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Tom Atkinson, 3, #185 of 1969 🔗

DuckDuckGo is better than Google but a search returns 5 anti-GBD links in the top 8. Wikipedia has been got at so they are anti as well. MW

198477 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 37, #186 of 1969 🔗

At the Coronavirus Daily Update on 10 April 2020, Matt Hancock, the Health Secretary, stated that the government had not made any attempt to assess how many people would die as a result of the government’s lockdown measures. This was an admission that the government had adopted a irrational, irresponsible and incompetent approach to policy-making. I expected to hear howls of anger, but all I heard, apart from me complaining, was silence.

198505 ▶▶ Adam, replying to Steve Hayes, 13, #187 of 1969 🔗

While Johnson is a clown Hancock is truly a awful human being with the IQ of a nail and the personality of a Weed

198513 ▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to Adam, 1, #188 of 1969 🔗

Knotweed

198551 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Chris John, 4, #189 of 1969 🔗

Yes. Useless, inedible, disgusting and rampant.
But you can kill it with Roundup.

198835 ▶▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to annie, 2, #190 of 1969 🔗

True! Unfortunately, he’s been genetically modified and so therefore he’s ‘Roundup Ready’. MW

198922 ▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to annie, 1, #191 of 1969 🔗

Roundup? Not in my garden.

199802 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Adam, #192 of 1969 🔗

Weeds are much nicer!

198529 ▶▶ PaulH, replying to Steve Hayes, 18, #193 of 1969 🔗

And no risk assessment every carried out on his mask mandate either.

Given that you can hardly have a new light switch without having a formal risk assessment, that alone should be a massive red flag.

198553 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #194 of 1969 🔗

To quote from Dad’s Army, ‘His name will go on the list’.

198702 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Basileus, 3, #195 of 1969 🔗

Don’t tell him yours, Basileus.

199607 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Basileus, #196 of 1969 🔗

I vant my chips nice und crispy.

198896 ▶▶ James Bertram, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #197 of 1969 🔗

However, Vallance stated that there was a government report in April (end of?) that 200,000 could die as a result of the Lockdown measures.
So Hancock was, once again, lying.

199385 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to James Bertram, 1, #198 of 1969 🔗

The report was dated 8 April, but it did not appear until either Valance or Whitty mentioned it to a House of Commons Select Committee in May. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/initial-estimates-of-excess-deaths-from-covid-19-8-april-2020

199449 ▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Steve Hayes, #199 of 1969 🔗

Steve, I sincerely hope that his statement will form part of the evidence against him one day – perhaps before the International Criminal Court.

I won’t hold my breath though.

198482 Tim Bidie, 2, #200 of 1969 🔗

Re ‘ Excellent letter by Brian Cattle, an epidemiologist turned airline pilot’ above

Link not working

198484 John Ballard, replying to John Ballard, 15, #201 of 1969 🔗

Wow. Immense update today. Why can’t the muppets in government and opposition read this.

198491 ▶▶ annie, replying to John Ballard, 9, #202 of 1969 🔗

Because they’re muppets.
Keep up, Kermit!

199110 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to John Ballard, 1, #203 of 1969 🔗

I thought the same. So much good stuff. More hopeful today.

199234 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to John Ballard, #204 of 1969 🔗

You can bet your bottom dollar that they are.

198488 PaulH, replying to PaulH, 27, #205 of 1969 🔗

Covid ICU admissions up, pneumonia and flu down eh?

Surely they are not rebranding them as Covid, so as to keep the crisis and the fear going, so they can bring in their “New Normal”, are they….?

Or does Covid now cure these two respiratory illnesses? It seems it can tell the time, differentiate between people who are on-duty and off-duty and standing and sitting in pubs, so perhaps it is a miracle cure as well.

One thing is certain. They are not going to admit that Covid or not, deaths are just where you would expect them to be in a normal year. That would never do.

198508 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to PaulH, 4, #206 of 1969 🔗

We all know that on here but whats so annoying is most of the masked population aren’t questioning this data!
Although it’s not fully flu season here yet, the figures will be interesting to look at in the coming months to see just how clever Covid is at being able to drastically minimise seasonal flu and pneumonia.

198533 ▶▶▶ PaulH, replying to Janice21, 7, #207 of 1969 🔗

“most of the masked population aren’t questioning this data!”

Sadly no. All the propaganda since March seems to have first fried, then sealed their brains against all alternative views.

But then that’s not surprising, as fear inhibits rational thought.

198559 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to PaulH, 4, #208 of 1969 🔗

Well if say 80% of tests are false positive and many true positives (if they exist) are symptomless, surely it stands to reason that other respiratory infections will be branded as covid. So figures for ‘flu etc go down

198566 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to PaulH, 3, #209 of 1969 🔗

ONS has already said it would no longer be providing separate figures for flu and Covid.
They just don’t care if we know they are taking the piss.

198575 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to karenovirus, 3, #210 of 1969 🔗

They’re still separating the figures, just reporting them both in the same file.

198616 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to matt, 1, #211 of 1969 🔗

Thanks, must have misunderstood

198842 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to matt, 2, #212 of 1969 🔗

Unfortunately, that doesn’t stop them being lumped together when they are reported to the public. Who’s going to bother to check the file? MW

198493 Peter Thompson, replying to Peter Thompson, 36, #213 of 1969 🔗

Went to my Covid ” safe ” barber…and being a Covid disciple the ritual gets even more kafkaesque each visit. there is the obligatory filling in of the T and T form, hand washing etc and this visit was ended with the request to put my cash into a bowl of diluted dettol .

The conversation in these dark times instead of holidays and weather tends to be dominated with the ” virus” . He told me that his GP surgery was ” excellent ” because they were dolling out the flu jabs without the patient having to go into the building. Apparently the nurse in a haz mat suit leans out the window as they walk by.

The problem is that 8 months of insanity like we have experienced is enough to brainwash unreasoning people into believimng that the future is indeed one where what you might consider a Dr Who set is the norm.

198503 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Peter Thompson, 23, #214 of 1969 🔗

Time to find a new barber.

198687 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 11, #215 of 1969 🔗

…and make sure the present one knows why you are taking your custom elsewhere.

198519 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Peter Thompson, 16, #216 of 1969 🔗

Turkish barbers seem to be mask free zones. All local to me are.

199807 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Sarigan, #217 of 1969 🔗

Yes. My son uses a Turkish barber. All perfectly old normal plus a great haircut and beardtrim.

198554 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Peter Thompson, 8, #218 of 1969 🔗

I get the feeling that your barber is setting himself up to go out of business.

The hairdressers in my area are pretty much ghost towns either people are staying away from them and are doing hairdressing themselves or have found less dystopian ones.

There are also increasingly a number of hairdressers going out of business as the novelty of going to a hairdresser after months of lockdown has worn off.

198577 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Bart Simpson, 11, #219 of 1969 🔗

I changed my hairdresser of many years because of the ridiculous covid claptrap which included getting my temperature taken.
I found someone local who observes good hygiene without expecting me or her to dress like a serial killer. I do wonder about the previous hairdresser, as you say we were all desperate for a haircut before but who wants to go through all that rigmarole for a haircut.

198590 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to thinkaboutit, 6, #220 of 1969 🔗

I stopped going to my hairdresser because they required a muzzle and that my hair should be wet. Given that its a tube ride away with numerous stops, my hair would be dry by the time I got there.

I don’t want them to go bust particularly as they’re good and their prices are competitive but given their insane measures maybe they should.

198648 ▶▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #221 of 1969 🔗

The rules are insane. Hot soapy water will wash Covid away ( why do they think we were told to wash our hands?).

198673 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to thinkaboutit, 3, #222 of 1969 🔗

Agree. My hairdresser always washed her hands between clients and so why all these insane measures?

198692 ▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #223 of 1969 🔗

Yes, they should go bust.

198633 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #224 of 1969 🔗

There are mobile ones (usually for the ladies) who were doing their job even during the first part of the lockdown. I don’t think anyone got ill, but I don’t know for sure.

198676 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #225 of 1969 🔗

Have not seen one in my area but have seen a mobile pet grooming service.

198817 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Londo Mollari, 8, #226 of 1969 🔗

I’ve just found one;she’s excellent ,doesn’t overcharge but does insist on wearing her mask in the home.

She’s quite happy to accept my bare faced presence though and is actually better than the Covid gauleiter whom I used to visit.

198826 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Peter Thompson, 6, #227 of 1969 🔗

this visit was ended with the request to put my cash into a bowl of diluted dettol.

I’d have been tempted to stick my £10 note in there as a quick as poss. Followed by ‘Oh, sorry’. 🙂

199808 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to JohnB, #228 of 1969 🔗

Maybe that’s why notes are now made of plastic?

199213 ▶▶ RichT, replying to Peter Thompson, 2, #229 of 1969 🔗

I have got quite good at cutting my own hair. 🙂

198494 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 2, #230 of 1969 🔗

A must view:

https://www.facebook.com/HighWireTalk/videos/438847850415518

(CGL posted the link yesterday, but it is too good to miss and it might be inspirational.)

198630 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to PastImperfect, #231 of 1969 🔗

This is on Bitchute also.

198902 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #232 of 1969 🔗

Thanks. The expert guests destroy mask nonsense and tell how they made Michigan free again. Del shows how CO2 levels quickly rise with masks.

198497 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 8, #233 of 1969 🔗

Drakeford and his cabal of national socialists in the “Senedd” have demonstrated that here is one “devolved assembly” that should be terminated without delay.

Perhaps someone could interest Cummings in the project.

198502 ▶▶ PaulH, replying to Stuart, 5, #234 of 1969 🔗

I’m afraid they are doing pretty much what he wants. So you might have a long wait.

198602 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Stuart, 3, #235 of 1969 🔗

Just vote for a party who wants to abolish it. Ukip had this platform a few years ago.

198498 Adam, 2, #236 of 1969 🔗

The dummy version of BoZo would do a better job than the fat idiot real thing, We can’t let these fools remain in office https://www.remove-the-tory-government.org

198499 annie, replying to annie, 13, #237 of 1969 🔗

Foolishly, I looked at the comments on the Western Telegraph ‘s all-back-to-jail story.

Oh vomit vomit. Lock us down harder, dob in your neighbour, why are children still allowed to go to school, waaah waaah waah.

The reason, of course, as I know from experience, is that any sceptical comment is immediately deleted, leaving the impression that Pembrokeshire is entirely populated by zombies.
I think the other Welsh local papers are the same?

198599 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to annie, 3, #238 of 1969 🔗

Very likely. And not only are sceptical comments deleted, but certain parties actually working for the government are probably adding a lot of comments. Click on username and find out when they registered. If it was any later than 1st March, they might be far from local…

198626 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to annie, 3, #239 of 1969 🔗

Walesonline (Western mail) comments are pro-lockdown, but even there I sense a much more sceptical tone of late. If you go on Walesonline’s Facebook page there is much more of a critical air. Real people generally using their real names. Of course, I can’t rule out the Govt trolling with “Don’t kill your granny” messages.

199686 ▶▶ TyLean, replying to annie, 1, #240 of 1969 🔗

Don’t forget the 77th Brigade.

198509 ▶▶ matt, replying to Mel, 4, #242 of 1969 🔗

Because Khan

198515 ▶▶▶ Mel, replying to matt, 4, #243 of 1969 🔗

But why is nobody asking the questions!!

London appears to have herd immunity.

198523 ▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Mel, 6, #244 of 1969 🔗

Fascinating, isn’t it? The argument for going into tier 2 in the first place wasn’t remotely convincing, even if you believe that Covid is an existential threat and yet, nobody questioned it at the time and nobody’s questioning it now. I do think that part of it is probably a Westminster political response to the complaint that the north was being punished arbitrarily because the tories don’t care about the north.

198526 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mel, replying to matt, 5, #245 of 1969 🔗

What annoys me is the responses coming from the likes of Andy Burnham and Dan Jarvis in Sheffield. If they were looking hard enough there is the smoking gun for why we shouldn’t be getting locked down – deaths won’t go up and up, because look at London. Burnham in particular has got the platform to do it.

Head. Bang. On. Desk.

198528 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Mel, 16, #246 of 1969 🔗

Burnham has been especially irritating. As you say, if his aim was to avoid tier 3 for Manchester, then all of the evidence and the numbers were there for him to argue against it (plateaued/falling +ve tests, lack of pressure on hospitals, tiny death rates), but basically he just wanted cash. Bung me a hundred million and you can lock up my city. Pretty revolting.

Khan’s motivation has more to do with publicity, I think. He can’t stand that the ‘crisis’ might be over in London because it takes away his platform of righteous concern.

198845 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to matt, 3, #247 of 1969 🔗

Like everyone he runs scared of the media. I cringed listening to the questions he faced yesterday. He would have been hung out to dry if he had merely questioned ‘the law’. Of course they all know the numbers, he has had Heneghan advising, but their political futures are dead if they question the dogma because of the media.
So much of this is because of unrelenting media pressure.
I remain convinced that when the 5 November and its outcome is known the media pressure will start to ease and there will be more ability for alternative policies to be followed. This is run from the US.

198558 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Mel, 9, #248 of 1969 🔗

Because Khan is an idiot. He knows that he’s been rumbled about his failure to deal with knife crime, housing and transport.

It’s the disease of “wanting to be seen to be doing something”

Not content with turning the City of London into a ghost town, he’s doing the same for the West End.

198510 Albie, replying to Albie, 28, #249 of 1969 🔗

Are journos slowly waking up to the fact that the fall out from lockdown is a far bigger story than Covid ever should have been?

198518 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Albie, 8, #250 of 1969 🔗

it was always going to come, just later than I hoped

198530 ▶▶▶ Albie, replying to steve_w, 7, #251 of 1969 🔗

Thinking about it, if I was a young journo wanting to make a name for myself there is plenty to get my teeth into. The only issue is long articles in the broadsheets (online too) won’t appeal to the masses. The only questioning voice on the BBC is Deborah Cohen hidden away on Newsnight. It used to be said the Daily Mail set the news agenda. Not any more. It’s the BBC. While they still report statistics without giving any context it’s futile to hope for the current situation to change.

198556 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Albie, 6, #252 of 1969 🔗

You’re right about Deborah Cohen. An honourable exception asking meaningful questions. The rest of the BBC , just about everyone, is fully signed up to the hokum, no doubt feeling – correctly – that their careers depend on doing so.

198614 ▶▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Albie, 3, #253 of 1969 🔗

How about “Tory Nazi lockdown death toll holocaust horror” as a tabloid headline? Or, In Wales, “Labour Nazi . . etc”

198858 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Albie, 4, #254 of 1969 🔗

if I was a young journo wanting to make a name for myself there is plenty to get my teeth into.”

But the fat controllers won’t allow it to be printed or broadcast.

198562 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Albie, 3, #255 of 1969 🔗

Yep. And are a few months behind us.

198511 Janice21, 15, #256 of 1969 🔗

Just wanted to shout out to Janeintheminefield and say I hope you’re ok today x

198512 Mike Collins, replying to Mike Collins, 7, #257 of 1969 🔗

Just caught Toby’s most recent podcast, only one complaint.

Can I suggest that we should now be calling Boris ‘our CURRENT Prime Minister’. It’s surely impossible that he will survive a well planned leadership challenge in 2021? Once the MSN start to speak up again they’ll destroy him.

198514 ▶▶ Will, replying to Mike Collins, 2, #258 of 1969 🔗

Unless he bails because it isn’t quite the jolly japes and games of wiff waff that he thought it was going to be, he will be stuck with it until the public enquiry. After that he will be vulnerable to a leadership challenge.

198516 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Mike Collins, 8, #259 of 1969 🔗

Someone made an interesting comment on here yesterday that after Brexit, he will be in a much weaker position because he will be disposable. He was elected in December 2019 on one single mandate – to get Brexit done.

199819 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Poppy, #260 of 1969 🔗

And to level the North….
That’s what the bulldozer stunt was about.

198541 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Mike Collins, 3, #261 of 1969 🔗

Wonder who would want the job, they all sound as bad as each other

198697 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Dan Clarke, 13, #262 of 1969 🔗

I want Awkward Git.

199336 ▶▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to annie, 2, #263 of 1969 🔗

Seconded.

198552 ▶▶ richmond, replying to Mike Collins, 6, #264 of 1969 🔗

So what if he does go? We had Cameron. He went. Did that help? No, we got May. Then she went. But then we got Johnson. So if he goes, then who’s next? Who cares?

198568 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to richmond, 1, #265 of 1969 🔗

Whoever it is won’t be much cop, but if it’s someone who has not been front and centre in the lies, they will have the room needed to gradually return us to normality.

198610 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Mike Collins, 3, #266 of 1969 🔗

If he makes it to the point he can resign it will be like being jilted before you get your chance to get in there first. I want him to feel the wrath, not walk away and say he made the decision to go.

198631 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Mike Collins, 1, #267 of 1969 🔗

I prefer dictator, pig dictator if you want, but definitely dictator

198716 ▶▶ Binra, replying to Mike Collins, 2, #268 of 1969 🔗

Why assume that a political farce continues under technocratic controls vertically directed and locally enforced?
Once all the structures are in place there is no need to pretend in parliament as anything but rubber stamping financial-corporate edicts while fronting it out as crises actors.

The systemic and broad spectrum plan to destroy the systemic evils of a human ‘normal’ mind, identity or worldview, is itself the reiteration of the thing it hates and seeks to eradicate.
“To arrive at our starting place and know it for the first time…)

This self-destruction operates as if a war on the human ‘virus’ -as our cancelling and replacement.

There is of course another way that undoes evil, rather than engages within its frame.

198520 Censored Dog, #269 of 1969 🔗

This song in December 2019 by Joe (who is a lockdown skeptic like us) has never been more true than it has been now

https://youtu.be/KhfddlaibfI
Perfect song for a good laugh

198521 Julian, replying to Julian, 3, #270 of 1969 🔗

From djaustin yesterday regarding how useful hospital admission stats are:

One of those symptoms of COVID19 is hypoxia. the data on ventilation shows exactly the same trend as that of admissions. Whatever is driving the increased rates of admissions for people testing positive for COVID19 appears to lead to corresponding increases in utilization of ITU beds and ventilation – and oxygen therapy too. Whilst it is true that patients are being tested routinely on admission, and regardless of whether one chooses to believe the veracity of the test, there has been an epidemic of hypoxia quite dissimilar to the pneumonia seen with influenza (also diagnosed with a PCR test, but I have not seen past objections to the NHS flu testing regimes).”

An interesting point. Is covid the only/main possible cause of hypoxia, or are there others? Are there reasons other than hypoxia for ventilating people? How do the stats on ventilation compare to previous years – both in terms of absolute numbers, numbers per head of population and trend over time? (They may be trending upwards, but is the upward trend this year exceptional compared to previous years?).

(As an aside, regarding NHS flu testing regimes, I suppose most people were not aware they existed as they were not used as a mechanism with which to destroy society)

198538 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Julian, 8, #271 of 1969 🔗

Could be the masks

198540 ▶▶ Will, replying to Julian, 1, #272 of 1969 🔗

Could it be that all respiratory admissions are being treated with oxygen as a prophylactic whether it is strictly necessary or not?

198563 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Will, #273 of 1969 🔗

It’s possible, given the madness that is prevalent. Worrying, if so. It may be quite difficult to find out.

199262 ▶▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to Julian, #274 of 1969 🔗

I will say for certain that they are not being treated with mechanical ventilation as prophylaxis. In fact the likelihood of management of COVID19 by mechanical ventilation in HDU/ITU has declined dramatically according to ICNARC from 72% to only 28% (with an increase in 28d survival), but mechanical ventilations are growing.

Do not loose site of the important point that before SARS-COV2 was identified, the disease COVID19 was noted on clinical signs as being distinct from other pneumonias. Diagnosis based on a ground glass CT scan is a gold standard. But by then the prognosis is not going to be good.

198525 Fiat, replying to Fiat, 6, #276 of 1969 🔗

Happy Trafalgar Day everybody. How we need a Nelson now……

198565 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Fiat, 1, #277 of 1969 🔗

‘No captain can do very wrong if he places his ship alongside that of the enemy’.

198570 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Fiat, 1, #278 of 1969 🔗

Gave up smoking 22 years ago today.

Ah well, here’s to the Immortal Memory.

198694 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Nick Rose, #279 of 1969 🔗

Cheers. Here’s to the Norfolk hero, who seldom did as he was told. God bless him.

198527 nottingham69, 4, #280 of 1969 🔗

As ever the MSM overloading the airwaves with side issues not the real ones. Andy “MAN OF THE PEOPLE” Burnham wants Dripford style shutdowns, so in fact more business shut down, leading to more closures, more people who want work without work in the future. If it is possible to advocate more ruinous policy than this government is heading it would be Labour’s.

22 million more wasted for test, trace and control, when the test itself is open to great question, totally ignored on the MSM.

Perfect for the government these circular arguments, based around personality. That is why they introduced this lousy tier system. It will move on to North Notts in the next few days. While the real issues on fake stats created by a dodgy test are ignored.

198531 Biker, replying to Biker, 89, #281 of 1969 🔗

There shouldn’t be a “support package”. I’m sick of the government getting us into so much debt, debt that will never be paid back and is in fact a hidden selling of the country to a handful of evil bastards. The whole world is now in debt to a handful of people. The people of our island have been sold as part of the package. I’m outraged that anyone got a single penny to be locked down.
With one dead and 41 people in hospital yesterday the people of Scotland are in lockdown, no visiting relatives and friends well with numbers so low there is now way to be any lower meaning they will never let us go. We are facing a stark reality here, never again to be allowed to walk free, to go where we want when we want to. I’m afraid before long the braindead people who join the army and police will be shooting us on the streets. This is the most bizarre time of my life, with people cheering the lockdown i can only think that a gas must have been dropped or something in the water because these morally superior wankers wearing their masks and cheering the lockdown are oblivious to the total destruction going on around then. I feel they deserve the poverty that is coming their way.
There is no hope so prepare to fight for your life because these people are coming for your soul.

198532 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Biker, 11, #282 of 1969 🔗

Yep! Freedom of any kind has gone.

198557 ▶▶ annie, replying to Biker, 11, #283 of 1969 🔗

They can’t destroy your soul UNLESS YOU LET THEM.

198582 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to annie, 4, #284 of 1969 🔗

There is no soul, there is only right now and an ever-increasing memory of the past. They’ve destroyed right now and the past has been rewritten.

198622 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Biker, 5, #285 of 1969 🔗

There is no soul

Just because no one can point to an organ of the body that is its soul does not mean it does not exist. The soul, just like the mind, is an emergent property; and just like the mind, it can be nurtured and developed or it can be attacked, harmed and destroyed.

198690 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Steve Hayes, 8, #286 of 1969 🔗

Repeat: it can only be destroyed if you let it be. Damnation is your choice. The forces of evil will push you in that direction, but it’s still your choice.
If you don’t think you have a soul, then yes, of course it’s easier to let it be destroyed. Your look-out.

199309 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to annie, 1, #287 of 1969 🔗

The problem isn’t Steve Hayes.

199253 ▶▶▶▶▶ TT, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #288 of 1969 🔗

The hardline COVID zealots have no soul, that’s the problem – mindless conformity comes naturally to them, while those who still have some spark of true life left can only feel appalled and revolted… seriously, I truly believe some form of deliberate brainwashing/hypnosis took place via the media and their gross fear porn in the early stages… compounded by the confusion created by the governments, in combo with the other very emotional and divisive issues pushed simultaneously by the MSM (BLM, police violence, rioting and wanton destruction of property by ‘protesters’, hateful profiling of the non-believers as being responsible for ‘spikes in cases’, etc.).
What happened in all European countries comes straight out of the CIA handbook for destabilizing a state in preparation for a coup: mass propaganda, create confusion, insecurity and fear, disinformation, divide the population, demonize all opposition, make it seem like there is only one obvious solution to all those issues… and all hail the saviour (ie the technocratic superbureacracy-to-come, marinated.in a vaccine sauce).

198579 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Biker, -18, #289 of 1969 🔗

I’m sick of the government getting us into so much debt”

You’ll be glad to know that isn’t the case then.

When you take a £20 note to a bank and open a savings account, the bank is “borrowing” from you. Do you consider that to be a similar crime?

That’s all that is happening when government issues Gilts to people with money who want to save rather than spend?

It’s hardly surprising that people want to save a lot in the current situation.

198585 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Lucan Grey, 7, #290 of 1969 🔗

The government doesn’t produce anything. How does the extra money paid back on a loan get generated then?
I can only hope your post was satire and i missed it.

198598 ▶▶▶▶ Ossettian, replying to Biker, 1, #291 of 1969 🔗

He doesn’t understand how money is created.

198639 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Ossettian, #292 of 1969 🔗

I think he confuses money with wealth.

198637 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Biker, #293 of 1969 🔗

No, I think our friend Lucan believes in Magic Money Trees. It baffles me.

198597 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Lucan Grey, 2, #294 of 1969 🔗

It’s hardly surprising that people want to save a lot in the current situation.

Which people would these be? Joe Public hasn’t just decided he’s got around £50 billion sitting around doing nothing.

Strange how the German ‘people’ don’t seem to be in the habit of lending money to their government.

199170 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Mayo, #295 of 1969 🔗

The Germans are some of the world’s biggest biuyers of Gold and Silver as “rainy day” savings, China and India are the biggest, but all three nations have seen what happens when governments make a utter mess of things, unlike ours…Oh, wait…

198651 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Lucan Grey, 2, #296 of 1969 🔗

It’s worse than getting us into debt they are just printing the money

199178 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #297 of 1969 🔗

That is true, but every GBP printed by the government is produced as a result of a loan by the BofE. Around 1 percent (at least!) of all the money ever printed is paid to the private owners (Google it) of the Central Banks.

No-one is allowed to have a country without a Central Bank; any attempt to do so results in the country being destroyed or the leaders murdered.

199431 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #298 of 1969 🔗

Very likely, but someone always profits when the printing presses are revved up. Of course, it’s not the public.

199405 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Lucan Grey, #299 of 1969 🔗

Nonsense, it’s the Bank of England that’s buying nearly all those Gilts. Now who is profiting from the interest that is paid on those Gilts?

199429 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Lucan Grey, #300 of 1969 🔗

I would say get real assets bought, as inflation must inevitably go through the roof. Of course, that doesn’t mean those assets won’t be confiscated by the totalitarian police state that is rapidly taking shape under the cover of Covid-19. We are clearly entering the darkest of times.

198615 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Biker, 12, #301 of 1969 🔗

Excellent post, except that no one deserves to be brainwashed. Don’t hate other people who are effected by this (no matter how stupid they may act) because getting us to all hate each other is just going to add to the hysteria which is what the people that are doing this want – and there is hope.

Let us not be taken in by snake oil salesman – like mayors who appear to be “on their people’s side” when really they fully support the lockdown but they were only trying to get another £1.57 extra prison allowance per citizen.

“I knew the Nazis wanted to round up the Jews, and I agreed with it, but at least I tried to get an extra £1.57 per citizen your honour” – pretty pathetic really isn’t it Andy?

(not exactly Schlinder’s List is it?)

199435 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to captainbeefheart, 3, #302 of 1969 🔗

Burnham is just another run of the mill snake oil salesman. The master was of course, the evil Tony Blair.

198681 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Biker, 2, #303 of 1969 🔗

Well said. Many people still believe in the Magic Money Tree (TM) forgetting that such a thing doesn’t exist and we will have to pay for all these one way or the other.

198825 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #304 of 1969 🔗

We need to elect Biker to Holyrood,so he can take on the Numpties and set us free!

Earth to Biker-lead on ,lead on!

199307 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Biker, 5, #305 of 1969 🔗

Yes you have summed it so well. We are in very deep trouble and the problem is not coronavirus.

198539 GuyRich, #306 of 1969 🔗

The retired scientist and Annabel Fenwick Elliott have cottoned on to the scam. This needs to keep being said and, if so, we could topple the whole empire.

In other news: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/pandemic-speeds-labour-shift-from-humans-to-robots-wef-survey-finds/ar-BB1aecy9?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=mailsignout

198544 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 1, #307 of 1969 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASSn87-jIAY

Stanley Unwin tribute on corona virus.

Come back Stanley, Shuttlecock, Sturgeon ,Boris,Sridhar et al need some more lessons in gibberish, so they can keep up with the punishment.

198686 ▶▶ mjr, replying to wendyk, 4, #308 of 1969 🔗

that makes more sense than anything i have seen on MSM
As one old enough to remember , to all you Sceptics out there. Carry on Regardibold

198545 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 5, #309 of 1969 🔗

Just tuned in. Does the pig dictator still stalk the land?

198560 ▶▶ annie, replying to Cecil B, 5, #310 of 1969 🔗

Nearer and nearer to the chopping block.
We’ll have his chitterlings fried and his trotters with mash.

198546 Basileus, 4, #311 of 1969 🔗

Dr. Reiner Fuellmich’s video is available on my DropBox here:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/s8z4lal8o9bqofm/Crimes%20against%20Humanity.mp4?dl=0

198555 crimsonpirate, 2, #312 of 1969 🔗

What is really going on?  I guess Trump got it right when he used the term “herd mentality”

198564 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 2, #313 of 1969 🔗

with £22 million available for Tier 3 in Greater Manchester I would imagine Keith Lard is champing at the bit to become a covid marshall

198603 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #314 of 1969 🔗

That is for the test, trace, control element. 22 million more for state control of your life. Yes Burnham snapped that money up.

198623 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to crimsonpirate, #315 of 1969 🔗

In North Norfolk, Alan Partridge will certainly be donning the dayglo jacket.

198574 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 24, #316 of 1969 🔗

How much longer can this shit go on for. Are people so fucking dim that they don’t realise they all the money magically being paid out to greedy mayor’s needs to be paid back.

Are the plebs willing to sign over all of their assets, savings and pensions to cover the debt or are they hoping Boris is going to win the euro zillions or have a 25 fold accumulator on the horses, champions League, golf US masters and the British open.

Fuck me, they are snake oil salesman, shuffling about wearing a stinking bit of cotton over their boat is not going to save them or anybody else.

198581 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to stefarm, 8, #317 of 1969 🔗

Good question. Its nine days to go before furlough ends and I think loads of people will be in for a rude awakening and hopefully realise that stinking bit of cotton over their boat has done SFA for them.

198589 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #318 of 1969 🔗

And they wonder why we are being ordered to stay indoors like obedient little children

198596 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to stefarm, 1, #319 of 1969 🔗

We can hope that more people wake up even those who are far gone.

I always think that being hit in the pocket and stomach is always a good wake up call.

198632 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #320 of 1969 🔗

The local lockdowns and the near shutting of pubs coincides with the ending of furlough serves to keep people apart just as millions realise they are now unemployed.

198649 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #321 of 1969 🔗

Most people socialise on apps anyway now so keeping us apart won’t stop people waking up. Unless they can control the narrative which I think is slipping.

198650 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to JHuntz, 3, #322 of 1969 🔗

I’m sure you’re right up to a point but I think there’s a big difference between contact via an app and face to face interaction in a relaxed social setting. There is for me, anyway.

198662 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 2, #323 of 1969 🔗

Good point but people will find other ways. I can imagine supermarkets and off licences are now making a killing from alcohol sales.

198674 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Bart Simpson, 9, #324 of 1969 🔗

They not worried about the drinking it’s socialising.Alone we are easier to control.Amd regarding socialising on apps it’s a pale shadow of talking and interacting.
Since being back to work a lot of my colleagues who were willing to go along with the narrative and beginning to question after I have pointed out and shown them various things.

198684 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 4, #325 of 1969 🔗

Agree but its funny that I know of people who have bought the narrative wholesale but are now ready to break the rules when it comes to socialising.

Perhaps the threat of compulsory redundancy is slowly starting to wake them up.

198685 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 5, #326 of 1969 🔗

Exactly it’s all about stopping the conversation and questioning the narrative

198713 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #327 of 1969 🔗

Until they turned Wales back into total Gulag, Click and Collect customers were told they couldn’t collect their
alcohol purchases after 10 p.m.

198797 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to annie, #328 of 1969 🔗

WTF?????

199044 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #329 of 1969 🔗

Because of the Curfew, you see.
Of course, I could collect a barrowload of booze at 9.55 and spend the rest of the night drinking it, but that doesn’t matter..

199905 ▶▶▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to stefarm, #330 of 1969 🔗

Northern towns have back alleys and ginnels. Nobody uses their front doors anyway.

198669 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #331 of 1969 🔗

Almost like they wore their redundancy for a few months before buying it.

198619 ▶▶ l835, replying to stefarm, 2, #332 of 1969 🔗

It will go on till the money runs out.

198794 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to stefarm, 3, #333 of 1969 🔗

I’m afraid that they are. The number of people who believe in magic money trees, that money works differently “on a country level”, that you cannot compare national economy to a household, etc, etc, etc, is very disappointing. That some economists believe this is terrifying. It’s like having illiterate librarians.

199368 ▶▶▶ TT, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #334 of 1969 🔗

From day one I have suspected that this is about another financial crisis or crash more than a virus (the US Federal Reserve has injected about 500 billion $ into the failing repo market since end of 2019 to stave off a meltdown, and many commentators already predicted a domino effect back then). Oh how convenient that they can now blame any and all crashes, deficits and financial disasters on the ‘pandemic’… you know, they had to keep us safe and all, and the people were clamouring for it!

199693 ▶▶ TyLean, replying to stefarm, 1, #335 of 1969 🔗

“Are people so fucking dim”….. YES….. YES…. YES…..

And they deserve everything they’ll be getting. I wouldn’t mind, except they’re taking me down with them.

200174 ▶▶ T inthecentre, replying to stefarm, #336 of 1969 🔗

Yep, afraid they are that dim. Like an overdraft or a credit card, a lot of people don’t realise everything we are spending now, will come back to bite them later, with interest.

198576 Ben Shirley, replying to Ben Shirley, 5, #337 of 1969 🔗

Artificial Intelligence: The Grim Fate That Could be Worse Than Extinction: https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20201014-totalitarian-world-in-chains-artificial-intelligence

This is a very important article, and I’m very surprised to see it coming from the BBC, of all places. However, I’m not surprised that it point-black refuses to make any connection between a hypothetical global totalitarian takeover and the current global totalitarian takeover.

Anyhow, some people have certain particular bugbears and this is mine. It’s relevant even without reference to totalitarianism, since I believe too many people would willingly become dependent on AI and voluntarily destroy their own quality of life. The article makes some very important points clearly and succinctly.

198601 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Ben Shirley, 2, #338 of 1969 🔗

Speaking as someone who has been concerned with environmental and resource issues (yes, I’m probably a bedwetter on that score) I don’t think that the global elite have figured out how much metals and other minerals, yet alone energy is required to run that kind of system. More than is left in the ground.

198788 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Londo Mollari, #339 of 1969 🔗

There’s quite a bit that isn’t factored in. It’s probably the main reason why the most successful economies are organic rather than controlled. A lesson our current crop of politicians need to learn.

199700 ▶▶▶ TyLean, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #340 of 1969 🔗

Excellent point. Ironic the focus is on fossil fuels, isn’t it?

198711 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Ben Shirley, 2, #341 of 1969 🔗

I think the whole AI and automation thing has been vastly over-hyped, starting about 2014.

Fear is used to control people as we all know.

In this case fear of losing your job.

198738 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to calchas, 1, #342 of 1969 🔗

Forty years ago it was computers that were allegedly “the threat”. The problem economically is that you have to keep your industries and processes up to date, otherwise somebody else does it, undercuts you, and kills your industry and processes.

We’ve been here before, in the period post-1945, when countries built or rebuilt their industries with the latest technology and we tried to put things back to how they were pre-1939.

Worked out well here, didn’t it?

198776 ▶▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #343 of 1969 🔗

Computers are the threat. Without them the ‘expert modellers’ could not exert the influence they do on number illeterate politicians. And without them social media could not be used to exert the influence of the ‘persuaders’ who use fear and other emotions to control populations.

200175 ▶▶ T inthecentre, replying to Ben Shirley, #344 of 1969 🔗

And with every piece of data we hand over <cough> covid tracker apps <cough>, we make it easier for this to happen.

198578 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 36, #345 of 1969 🔗

Great update today and enjoyed that interview with Lionel Shriver – I can understand her frustration with the NHS.

As someone who wasn’t born and didn’t grow up here, I am forever baffled with the excessive worship of the NHS. I come from a country where if you don’t have the money you don’t get treated and that is wrong. However I don’t see what’s so wonderful about the NHS either.

From the moment I arrived in this country, it was a hassle to register with a GP, a hassle even to access reproductive health services and a hassle to go to A&E. Dentists IMO are marginally better because after finding a good practice, I have not been kicked out of it even after moving house.

Then I read stories about malpractice, greed, waste, bullying and the callous treatment of patients. I was one of those who expressed disgust at the deification of the NHS during the 2012 Olympics opening ceremonies.

This year for me is when the NHS reached its nadir. I didn’t clap for it because I thought it didn’t deserve the adulation and I have an aversion to ritual as a reaction to my home country’s excessive religiosity. I always thought there was something wrong with the figures from the word go and then I found myself asking why is the entire health system shut for a bad strain of flu? I can’t even see my dentist for my routine 6 month check up.

What has angered me further is the brainwashing that the NHS has had on the populace. I know someone who has a recurring heart problem and has been having problems getting appointments and consultations yet still worships the Church of the NHS. The number of times I want to slap him to wake up is too many to count.

Sorry for the rant. But the NHS really deserves its day of reckoning and it can’t come soon enough.

198586 ▶▶ alw, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #346 of 1969 🔗

I too was born abroad and have never been enamoured as I know there are better health services. In 2006 the NHS tried to kill me, it was touch and go but thanks to excellent private healthcare I am fit, well and fully recovered.

198595 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to alw, 6, #347 of 1969 🔗

Very sorry to hear what happened but glad that it worked out well in the end.

I try to keep myself healthy to avoid the NHS at all costs.

198721 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to alw, 17, #348 of 1969 🔗

“In 2006 the NHS tried to kill me”

Cn I please remind all commenters that the use of the word ‘fantastic’ is obligatory beore ‘NHS’.

Jsst as the use of the word ‘deadly’ is compulsory before the use of the word ‘virus’, when talking about Covid.

Failure to use these words may lead to people underestimating Covid and thus cost lives.

Watch Language. Correct Speech. Save Lives.

198868 ▶▶▶▶ Mutineer, replying to calchas, 7, #349 of 1969 🔗

I worked for the NHS and it is riddled with theft (almost considered a perk of the job), waste, corruption and fraud. Nobody is ever prosecuted as it would knock public confidence. Absolutely unbelievable and endemic theft and fraud at all levels. Put it this way, I no longer use the NHS if it’s at all possible to avoid it and go private. However, the NHS commandeered the private sector’s facilities even though they’re not using them. If the NHS was a private business it would go bankrupt in a year. Don’t even get me started on the medical treatment!!!! If people only knew they wouldn’t be so keen to ‘clap for our heroes’.

198879 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Mutineer, 2, #350 of 1969 🔗

I read somewhere that the gifts that companies have sent to the NHS during this crisis never reached their intended recipients so this doesn’t surprise me.

199050 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to calchas, 4, #351 of 1969 🔗

And anybody who expires always ‘sadly dies’, never just ‘dies’.
Sorry, but I haven’t time to be sad about every single death. And nor have they. Hypocritical piffle.

198608 ▶▶ l835, replying to Bart Simpson, 14, #352 of 1969 🔗

I never understood the capping either. My experience of the NHS prior to this has been watching grossly overweight nurses chatting at their desk while my mother repeatedly pressed the call button, and having to explain my ailments in front of a full waiting room to a surly receptionist, in order to get an appointment with my GP.

Why should we clap people who were doing the job they wanted to do, and were being well paid to do?

198698 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to l835, 13, #353 of 1969 🔗

Exactly. And what’s been really nauseating are the priority shopping hours, the discounts, free food and gifts that they’ve been sent.

Almost like they’re Hollywood A list or members of the Soviet Nomenklatura.

198718 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, 12, #354 of 1969 🔗

We were asked if we did special rates for NHS staff. They got a robust “no”.

198806 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 5, #355 of 1969 🔗

Hear, hear!!!

Funny thing is my local Morrison’s have withdrawn their special shopping hour for NHS staff back in June. No-one batted an eyelid.

199156 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Bart Simpson, #356 of 1969 🔗
198911 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to kh1485, 2, #357 of 1969 🔗

What? You don’t give a discount to people who are doing a job* they chose to do and are getting paid for it, just like any other worker?? Shame on you!

*when not making videos.

199164 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #358 of 1969 🔗

I know, I’m such a cow!

199053 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to kh1485, 1, #359 of 1969 🔗

Good on yer.

198893 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #360 of 1969 🔗

Our local vaping shop still gives a discount to our NHS heroes… Because vaping is so essential to their welfare and obviously their jobs are at risk so they need any financial help they can get. Joe Bloggs whose business went under can still pay full price.

199004 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #361 of 1969 🔗

I find that ironic but not surprising. I remember once queuing at a supermarket across UCL hospital and while my basket had fresh fruit and veg in it, the nurse in front of me had doughnuts, fizzy drinks and Haribo.

Jesus wept.

199912 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to Bart Simpson, #362 of 1969 🔗

And how did you know she was a nurse? Presumably because she was shopping in the uniform that she had been wearing in a hospital in the middle of a ‘pandemic’ of a ‘highly infectious virus’.

198618 ▶▶ Michael C, replying to Bart Simpson, 11, #363 of 1969 🔗

My grandfather was a doctor/surgeon, my father in law a GP and one of my daughters is also a GP. The NHS is a reasonably good health service with areas of excellence but no more than that and its outcomes figures are lamentable when compared with health services in many other advanced economies. Thorough-going reform on a 1947 scale is urgently needed. By the way you are spot on with regard to the ridiculous deification of the NHS at the 2012 London Olympics.

198695 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Michael C, 2, #364 of 1969 🔗

My father-in-law was lucky that he got decent care following his minor stroke last year. But the bad still outweighs the good.

198634 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #365 of 1969 🔗

I have lived and travelled abroad and used North American health services. I too am mystified by the local adoration of the NHS.

I’ve been well served by a variety of front line specialists and 95% have been excellent, but the organisation and ‘back office’s of the NHS is dire. Over recent years I’ve been saying this out loud to various consultants. There is usually a pause, a sigh, eye wobble of conflicted loyalties, then they say “I cannot disagree with you”.

I also know doctors socially who will quite happily tell me it’s a crap service.

198667 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to thinkaboutit, 4, #366 of 1969 🔗

My mum got chatting to a nurse from our home country who pretty much said the same thing among others – crap service, top heavy management and too much interference from non medical staff.

198636 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #367 of 1969 🔗

The NHS have failed me more than helped me. I had two bad experiences both times giving birth with righteous midwives not listening to me. There was one or two that were amazing. My husband has free private healthcare through his work but only covers him and our kids to an extent. We are actually using it next week to get my son to see a private ENT consultant because NHS cant see him.
My friend works in admin in the NHS and in her department of about 30 non medical staff, there are SIX managers all getting paid a fortune to sit around delegating the real work to the lower paid staff.

198666 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Janice21, 2, #368 of 1969 🔗

Yeah that’s what’s always baffled me. When I was job hunting there were always loads of managerial jobs in the NHS going but not enough medical and support staff.

Too many chiefs and not enough Indians springs to mind.

198704 ▶▶▶ VickyA, replying to Janice21, 1, #369 of 1969 🔗

The only place I ever worked ( briefly) where I was asked to lie about figures by my boss (financial) which I refused to do.
Also the stats people outnumbered the finance team. Shame they still can’t provide decent figures.

198880 ▶▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Janice21, 5, #370 of 1969 🔗

Me, too I worked for them and was forced to have a BCG jab which ruined my health. They then harassed me to the point of causing me to have a breakdown. They made me suffer for nearly 3 years with endless accusations etc and vile and intimidating letters before I left. This also happened to many older nursing staff who were ‘forced out’ of jobs they had done with pride since they left school. One, a senior nurse tutor, was heartbroken at the appalling standards in nursing and took early retirement.

198672 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #371 of 1969 🔗

Great post – totally agree with you. Some even describe it as 3rd world medical care.

The only thing they do well is acute treatment, i.e fixing you up after you had an accident or something like a hearty attack.

198680 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Victoria, 2, #372 of 1969 🔗

Not even that nowadays.

198700 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Victoria, 5, #373 of 1969 🔗

How is it possible that you force people into a national Health Service with very little alternative providers then close it down for more than half a year? Lets be clear there is very little access to healthcare available in the UK right now (and possibly in future).

As the economy and tax payer base are being decimated, there will be less money for the NHS in future and services will further deteriorate.

Agree, take responsibility of your own health as you will not be able to depend on the NHS.

This includes people on handfuls of prescribed drugs – suggest you get someone to review this for you and eliminate all the contraindicated drugs and the ones that create new symptoms that makes you sicker.

Always read the drug/vaccine inserts (side effects and contraindications) prior deciding to take the medication.

198701 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Victoria, 2, #374 of 1969 🔗

The perverse thing is that A&E is decent. No wonder people always bypassed their GPs and went to A&E if they wanted to be seen at a decent time.

198678 ▶▶ annie, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #375 of 1969 🔗

I couldn’t agree more.
The most nauseating thing hereabouts was when the local zombies started singing the Welsh national anthem during their grovel-act of NHS worship.

For freedom they [Welsh heroes of yore] gave their blood.

For abject slavery, the NHS took ours.

198683 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to annie, 1, #376 of 1969 🔗

Luckily, there wasn’t too much pot banging going on here.

198688 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to annie, #377 of 1969 🔗

Gawd. Bet that was awful and painful to hear.

I’m lucky that there wasn’t much pot banging and rainbow drawings in my area.

198714 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #378 of 1969 🔗

I closed the window so fast I nearly broke it. My OH was quite scared, thinking he’d be next!

198837 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #379 of 1969 🔗

Having worked in several NHS trusts I have seen and experienced first hand what goes on, but as I’m not yet retired I will not say anything more.
The NHS as a concept is basically a good idea, paying for a service before it’s needed means you don’t have to worry about paying after the event. Prior to the introduction of the NHS people paid in to local schemes.
The real issue is that each element from GP to A&E are run as businesses who contract their services to the NHS. Hospitals are no longer owned by the state (for example up until 1990 they were considered crown property and exempt from health and safety legislation), they are effectively run as companies with a large number of managerial layers that are in the main unnecessary. Also from a procurement point of view supplies are sourced from specific companies with little competition and so there’s a premium and no scope to find the best deal.
There is a culture of favouritism and bullying within some/most trusts.

Bear in mind that you can be a private patient within an NHS trust hospital. The consultants that you see in private facilities are probably the same people you would see in an NHS Trust.
The centralisation of services is not helpful, for example Leicestershire has only one acute hospital for the whole county.

198946 ▶▶ Al Pipp, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #380 of 1969 🔗

I know of “3 Covid deaths” but were NHS deaths. First was alzheimer’s – picked up Covid in hospital, was left thirsty and died basically of neglect. Other two were cancer patients – nobody in their household had cancer but after going to hospital they caught it. Disgusting open wards, fat slovenly nurses and then nurses who are degree educated and refuse to help clean after patients. Filthy hospitals.

199003 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Al Pipp, 2, #381 of 1969 🔗

You’ve pretty much summed up what has been wrong with the NHS especially the last two sentences. Labour’s move to have nursing as a degree was a fatal mistake and we’re paying the price.

200176 ▶▶ T inthecentre, replying to Bart Simpson, #382 of 1969 🔗

Great post. The NHS has just been used as a PR campaign to get people onboard with lockdown, and the heath service itself, despite it’s lack of anything approaching decent care.
With the amount I’ve had to spend on private doctors over the years I’d rather take my chance without it and pay when needed, or at the very least take a system like Canada or Germany where you pay a small fee to be seen privately. There is a middle ground between our system and better pay models around the world. It’s not black and white
Having worked in a few countries I’ve had the pleasure of experiencing their far superior health care systems. Japan (30 min wait and £45 for an x-ray and treatment for a broken arm) and Canada (£50 to see a doctor at a clinic for a bacterial infection with medication – no arguing for the necessary antibiotics) like on the NHS spring to mind.

198580 alw, replying to alw, 7, #383 of 1969 🔗

Speaker intervenes in Simon Dolan’s legal fight against lockdown Speaker intervenes in Simon Dolan’s legal fight against lockdown
Lindsay Hoyle declares the case is of ‘constitutional importance’

Who has been leaning on Sir Lindsay?

https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/lockdownlegalchallenge/

198617 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to alw, 2, #384 of 1969 🔗

They are making huge amounts of money. They don’t want this to stop

198625 ▶▶ Julian, replying to alw, 1, #385 of 1969 🔗

MPs closing ranks

198658 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to alw, 7, #386 of 1969 🔗

They’re getting frightened. They know that if the SC rules in Dolan’s favour, the floodgates will open. There are also international cases, including against every single MP who supported renewing the CV Act. They are desperate, DESPERATE, for a measure to be seen to have worked. Anything they can cling to if worse comes to worst.

Still faint, but I can hear hoofbeats pounding up the road. It is the sound of inevitability.

198670 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Nick Rose, 10, #387 of 1969 🔗

The Four Horsemen of our Apocalypse. (‘Apocalypse’ is just the Greek for ‘revelation’).

Truth.
Courage.
Honesty.
Doggedness.

198677 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to annie, 1, #388 of 1969 🔗

👍

198752 ▶▶▶ smileymiley, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #389 of 1969 🔗

It can’t come soon enough Nick.

198584 Mel, replying to Mel, 27, #390 of 1969 🔗

I’m having a despairing day today. I posted the CEBM Florence Nightingale diagram on facebook yesterday as an alternative to the disaster porn all over the news. Look, death figures totally normal. A guy I used to work with as an apprentice when he first started in IT, a guy I would say is of considerably above average intelligence, came back with Isn’t that proof that the measures are working?”

Head. Bang. On. Desk.

Measures? What measures? The magical thinking that is school “bubbles”, that ignores the fact that children have siblings? The mask wearing to get to my table that makes as much sense as throwing salt over my shoulder to blind the devil, or making the sign of the evil eye?

The fact is that the virus is spreading exactly as it would be were we doing nothing at all, and we’d be in a far better place if all the government had done in March was issue shielding letters and tell people to wash their hands.

The blank looks I get when I say this are so depressing.

198605 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Mel, 1, #391 of 1969 🔗

The Science of the coronavirus responses is pseudoscience: all of it. https://viewsandstories.blogspot.com/2020/10/coronavirus-pseudoscience.html

198699 ▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to Mel, 13, #392 of 1969 🔗

Actually the mask wearing for getting to your table or going to the toilet is worse than superstition, it’s likely to increase risk for everyone.

We know masks release Covid and bacteria back into the environment once droplets evaporate and are a stable environment in which they can persist. We also know most people will have worn their masks in a variety of locations over a number of days without washing or disposing of them.

So by the very act of pulling masks in and out of pockets, putting them on and off, people are liberating their germ reservoirs and needlessly introducing them into the indoor environment.

Imagine if the government instructed every pub or restaurant goer to open and wave around their handkerchief when they went to the toilet or moved from their table. That’s the level of lunacy we’re dealing with.

198717 ▶▶ GorbalsGirl, replying to Mel, 7, #393 of 1969 🔗

Conformists – regardless of IQ, age, class etc – are all capable of quite startling feats of doublethink. They can never be trusted by people who value truth, because a conformist’s allegiance shifts to whatever batshit crazy idea is in fashion at the time (ie. whatever is the orthodox decree of the politically powerful). They greet any mental challenges to orthodoxy with a blue screen, mouth open to catch flies, and shake their heads in patronising disbelief at your heresies. Every last one of them would grass up Anne Frank for 30 pieces of silver and feel pride in their actions.

I don’t know if these people just have a ‘circuit-breaker lockdown’ in part of their brain, that stops samizdat thoughts occuring because the alternative chain of dominoes falling would give them an entire mental breakdown??

So instead, they fight to inflict their mental breakdown on the sane world. And they don’t care to think about the consequences for other people.

Don’t let your humanity be ground down to their level. And remember that plenty of people do see what’s going on here quite clearly!

200004 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to GorbalsGirl, 1, #394 of 1969 🔗

Thanks, great rant!
(Genuine compliment)

198729 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Mel, 4, #395 of 1969 🔗

Say ‘Sweden and Belarus’

198747 ▶▶▶ Mel, replying to calchas, 4, #396 of 1969 🔗

Say London. Why is nobody saying it. Practically no deaths in London. Herd immunity works.

198883 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Mel, #397 of 1969 🔗

Most people think London is overflowing with dead bodies because of Khan’s constant doom mongering and insistence on Tier 2.

And if not, it’s always 2-3 weeks behind the North…

198588 John Stone, replying to John Stone, 6, #398 of 1969 🔗

Here is an unofficial transcript of Reiner Fuellmich’s youtube broadcast:

https://www.ageofautism.com/2020/10/reiner-fuellmich-crimes-against-humanity-transcript.html

198659 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to John Stone, #399 of 1969 🔗

Thanks this is great.

Print out and give to elderly without access to computers.

198591 alw, replying to alw, 16, #400 of 1969 🔗

David Kurten

@davidkurten
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16h

German courts have overturned ‘temporary’, ’emergency’ pop-up bicycle lanes and an 11 p.m. curfew.
UK courts have thrown out all cases against lockdowns and the erosion of civil liberties on highly dubious grounds.
Germany is now standing for liberty more than the UK.



198594 ▶▶ Censored Dog, replying to alw, #401 of 1969 🔗

It’s like we lost the war.

198665 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Censored Dog, 2, #402 of 1969 🔗

We dud, eighty years on.
Or rather, freedom and Fascusm swapped sides.

198593 alw, replying to alw, 22, #403 of 1969 🔗

David Kurten

@davidkurten

So it seems the plan is that England will not have a national lockdown. Instead it will have 48 local lockdowns covering the entire country.
Disobey.

198604 ▶▶ Mel, replying to alw, 5, #404 of 1969 🔗

I cant. They are shutting the pubs. Bastard twats.

198606 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Mel, 1, #405 of 1969 🔗

I think Piers Corbyn did some street drink-ins.

198600 Mel, 3, #406 of 1969 🔗

Fuck it. It’s official. Half term is cancelled.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54627017

To the naughty step South Yorkshire.

198607 Cecil B, 8, #407 of 1969 🔗

I’m reminded of the French railway workers of 1944

At the risk of death they sabotaged the railway wagons needed to transport Panzers to Normandy to attack the bridgeheads.

The railway workers applied carborundum an abrasive to the bearings of the railway wagons, causing them to break down after a few miles. As a result the Panzers had to drive over the roads of France to get to Normandy

I suspect many thousands if not millions of acts of deliberate sabotage has brought down the The Baroness Dildo’s track and trace

Anyway the Panzers and their crews got there to late, and were slaughtered during the battle of Normandy

On the way North the 2nd Panzer Division Das Reich committed the atrocity at Oradour- sur- Glane

Never forgive or forget that

Never forgive or forget this

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3p7bbp

198612 Suburbian, 2, #408 of 1969 🔗

How do I get one of those t-shirts? I see a lockdownsceptics fundraiser there!

198613 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #409 of 1969 🔗

Found on rabidly pro-lockdown Yahoo:

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/second-wave-not-sight-ons-124500689.html

That this is even appearing on Yahoo is a good, good sign…

199719 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Nick Rose, #410 of 1969 🔗

I had to laugh when Yahoo removed the comments function from its articles ‘temporarily’ to ‘improve our service’ or something…nothing to do with the fact that the vast majority of comments were better written than the articles.

198620 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 13, #411 of 1969 🔗

Put in my feedback to the coronavirus dashboard for what it’s worth:

1 – stop reporting a positive test as a “case”. It is not. It is obfuscation at best, deliberate lying at worst.

From a FOI request answer from the DSHSC:

Reference FOI-1240596 and it stated that a positive PCR test means nothing medically.

The actual quote: “SARS-CoV-2 RNA means the RNA is present in that sample at that point in time. It does not mean that the patient has the novel coronavirus (COVID-19).”

2 – The FOI request answer also linked to a document that in conclusion stated that the PCR tests being used are unreliable, had high false positive rates, could not be verified against an actual confirmed case of covid-19 and had not been verified in a medical or hospital setting.

So the test is na invalid measure for “case numbers”.

3 – how about reporting patients discharged as well as admitted?

4 – how about reporting patients who tested positive with symptoms as well as just tested positive?

5 – how about reporting the number of positive cases as a percentage of tests performed or some other measure as the number of “positives”, due to false positives, is a relationship of tests performed not just a number with a positive test result?

6 -how about reporting deaths of those who actually had symptoms and were confirmed as being treated for covid-19/coronavirus instead of everybody, no matter what they died of, who had a positive test the past 28 days?

7 – the R0 (correct name, not R number) number is theoretical and cannot be calculated with any reasonable accuracy with the data you have available. Do not state it as a fact.

198638 ▶▶ steph, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #412 of 1969 🔗

Well done AG, excellent as usual. I hope to make time to respond myself later. I’m getting very despondent about the lies and exaggerations and don’t suppose they will listen at all but we’d can’t keep silent.

198760 ▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Awkward Git, #413 of 1969 🔗

I take issue with point (7). The R number for an epidemic process is the average (arithmetic mean) number of people infected by one infectious person. It’s as “theoretical” as any other average — that doesn’t mean to say that it’s of no value. Equally, the average (mean, median or mode) income of people in the UK is a “theoretical” number, but it is still a useful one. It’s also true that temperature is a “theoretical” construct, in that it’s a single number obtained by taking a suitable average of the velocity of the molecules in the air (or whatever).

Of course, the R number cannot be measured directly, and indeed it is inferred from a sample. Again it is perfectly capable of being useful: in particular, when R is greater than 1, that means that numbers of infections are increasing and when it is less than 1, the numbers are decreasing.

The point about R0 is simply that it is the value of R at the start of the process, conventionally time zero: that is, the average number of people infected per infectious person at the start. Whether it can be calculated with any degree of accuracy is indeed dependent on the quality of the data. What would the case be for saying that cannot be done?

198786 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to Richard Pinch, #414 of 1969 🔗

One factoid I picked up from somewhere (and I can’t remember where and so can’t reference it properly and so you should feel free to disregard) is that the model used to estimate the R number includes a number of assumptions, such as “opening schools increases R by X” and “opening pubs increases R by Y.” So although there is indeed also input from on-the-ground data around supposed infection numbers, the output will always tell you that R has increased if you have reopened the pubs and reopened the schools.

Given the lack of actual evidence that might tell you that hospitality venues are driving the problem (assuming there is indeed a problem) as compared to the rabid focus on controlling access to pubs and restaurants, this little factoid would certainly seem to make some sense.

198819 ▶▶▶▶ Telpin, replying to matt, #415 of 1969 🔗

And why do they link closing pubs with opening schools? Where on earth is the direct link? The lack of intelligent analysis makes me mad as hell

198832 ▶▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Telpin, #416 of 1969 🔗

They’re not necessarily directly linked, but if each has an assigned value and you’re trying to achieve a specific result, then switching one off to lessen the impact of switching the other on has its own kind of internal logic.

198950 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to matt, #417 of 1969 🔗

Yes, up to the point where people change behaviour. For example, suppose we look at closing the pubs. A lot of people go to the pub not for the primary purpose of drinking alcohol, but for social interaction without a full meal. So people might switch, say, to drinking coffee in cafes in order to obtain the social interactions they want (or indeed, need). The total amount of social interaction will not fall by as much as was perhaps expected.

Of course that sort of compensation doesn’t apply to pubs versus schools. That is more at the level of comparing raw numbers.

198851 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Telpin, #418 of 1969 🔗

I don’t think they do link them, except in the broad sense that they are both ways in which the virus might be spread. It is not unreasonable to consider trying to assess how many people go a venue of any given type, how likely they are to be infectious or susceptible, how likely an infectious person is to infect a susceptible person, and hence what contribution such venues make to the overall rate of new infection.

198824 ▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to matt, #419 of 1969 🔗

I don’t claim to have studied any of the multi-agent models in practice, but most models have a number, sometimes a large number, of parameters: that is, numerical values that can be set or reset every time you run the model. I prefer to use the word “assumption” not for the parameter itself but for the act of choosing a value for that parameter.

There are deep assumptions that the parameters you build into your model, be they fixed or variable do indeed represent the predominant factors for the real-world process tyou are trying to model.

If you can run your model with different values of the parameters then you can test the sensitivity of the outputs to variations in the inputs — that may help you decide whether you have enough data, or know your data sufficiently accurately, to assign some degree of confidence to the outputs.

So in the case of, say, rates of infection caused by children mixing at school, you can identify that as a meaningful parameter, and assign a value to it either as a result of experiment or observation, or indeed arbitrarily, and test whether variation in that parameter actually affects the output. If for a reasonable range of inputs, the choice of that particular number does not affect the output significantly, you may decide that further investigation is unnecessary.

Alternatively, if you have no way of measuring these parameters directly you can infer the values of these parameters by running the model numerous times with different values of the parameters and identifying the parameter values that most closely fit the observed historic data up to the present. The best fit can then be used to run forward in time.

I’m not saying that any of those techniques were used in any given instance. But they are ways in which one can reasonably try to build a complex model.

198869 ▶▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Richard Pinch, #420 of 1969 🔗

That all makes sense. However, it does strike me a evident that there has been too little scrutiny of those assumed values, particularly in the case of hospitality venues. The data – such as it is – does not support the idea that pubs, restaurant, or even less so gyms, are a major component of any increase in transmission. Even less so that they are specifically driving an increase in transmission specifically after 10pm. Nonetheless, the huge focus in the restrictions seems to be on controlling these things. Unless the modelling is not actually being used to drive policy (perfectly possible) this would suggest to me that the modelling is based on exaggerated asssumptions.

198942 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to matt, #421 of 1969 🔗

I don’t know how those numbers have been derived, so won’t comment. However, such questions as what the effect on behaviour and hence infection rates is of closing pubs at 10pm as opposed to allowing them to stay open, is one that is unlikely to be resolved by modelling.

One important pitfall in modelling social behaviour is the assumption that restrictions both do and do not change peoples’ behaviour. After all, the whole point of restrictions is to change peoples’ behaviour! But that reacts on the model. For example, if you have reason to believe that pubs are an important source of infection, producing say X cases in 24 hours, you might casually assume that restricting pubs to only 12 hours opening would reduce infections by half, or indeed that closing them would reduce X to zero. But of course, it isn’t that simple, because people chnage their behaviour to compensate, and one could hope that such a simplistic assumption (technically “linearity”) wasn’t made in the model (or at least, if it was, then it was accompanied by a clear rationale)

199065 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to matt, 1, #422 of 1969 🔗

The obvious thing to do is take two similar districts, close pubs (or whatever) in one, not in the other, carry on for a reasonable period and then examine the results.
Actually something on these lines was de facto done during the six weeks during which England imposed face nappies and Wales didn’t. Did anybody study the figures to see whether nappies made an observable difference? There must be Welsh and English regions that are comparable.
(I wrote asking Atherton about this, but if course he didn’t reply.)

198810 ▶▶▶ Telpin, replying to Richard Pinch, #423 of 1969 🔗

Thanks for the explanation- interesting. However I wonder how they infer the average rate of infection from a sample. I’m an ignorant layperson but how do you actually work out, empirically, how many people one infected person infects? There are so many variables- level of viral load ( how infectious ), how many people that person comes into contact with, for how long, inside or outside, whether they’re immune etc etc . I’ve always been v suspicious about the R no as just don’t see how it can possibly be accurate.

198895 ▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Telpin, #424 of 1969 🔗

Well, firstly I have to say that you need to be clear about the population you’re interested in. So for the population as a whole (and I agree that the UK is sufficiently large, dispersed and heterogeneous that this isn’t completely sensible). If each infectious person remains infectious for five days (a fact one can determine by observation and experiment, and which seems pretty solid), then on each day on average an infectious person infects R/5 people: or rather, R is the number of people infected on average over 5 days. So if we sample, say 1/1000 of the population on say seven successive days and count the number of infected people in the sample each day, then we have an estimate for what the figures in the whole population are, and can then find the ratio between the numbers on successive days and hence estimate what R/5 and thus we can infer R is.

What agent-based models attempt to do is to break down the population into groups with known (or estimated) rates of interaction, levels of infectivity ands susceptibility and so forth — effectively to simulate the population. This is rather different, and a lot more difficult, as I described below.

198866 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Richard Pinch, 1, #425 of 1969 🔗

Wood for the trees. It may be fun, but not to be taken seriously

If the PCR test does not establish an infection, and, on its own, it does not, trying to infer a rate of infection of others from what might or might not be an infection in the first place completely misses the point.

The point is whether or not this common cold coronavirus is any more lethal than any of the other common cold viruses, and it plainly (from overall all cause mortality plumb normal for the time of year) is not.

All the rest is bunkum.

‘As shown the PCR positives do not correlate to excess deaths in the future and therefore lack predictive power.’

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/pcr-positives-what-do-they-mean/

199086 ▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Tim Bidie, -3, #426 of 1969 🔗

Taken at least as seriously as the claim that Covid is nothing more than a common cold, I suggest.

199531 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Richard Pinch, #427 of 1969 🔗

As suggested by one of the world’s leading coronavirus experts located in China at the time of the outbreak.

Who should I listen to? Him, or you…….?

A tricky one…….or not really……..particularly given latest ONS overall all cause monthly mortality analysis

‘In August 2020, there were 34,750 deaths registered in England, 2,060 deaths fewer than the five-year average (2015 to 2019) for August; in Wales, there were 2,379 deaths registered, 116 deaths fewer the five-year average for August.

The leading cause of death in August 2020 was dementia and Alzheimer’s disease in England (accounting for 10.9% of all deaths) and ischaemic heart disease in Wales (11.0% of all deaths); both leading causes of death were the same in July 2020.

The coronavirus (COVID-19) did not feature in the top ten leading causes of death in August 2020, in England or Wales. In England, COVID-19 was the 24th most common cause of death’

Next ONS monthly analysis in two days. Look forward to talking again then……

199780 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Tim Bidie, #428 of 1969 🔗

Who should I listen to? Him, or you…….?

You should certainly not take me for a leading authority on virology. All I claim is the ability to be able to read the scientific literature, which unfortunately does not support the view of yourself or the unnamed “leading expert” of whom you speak. There isn’t anything in the ONS analysis either to support the view that Covid is a form of the common cold.

200278 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Richard Pinch, #429 of 1969 🔗

There isn’t any support in the ONS figures for the idea of a ‘pandemic’.

Let me ask you this. You’re good with models. Overall all cause mortality plumb normal for the time of year……which is more probable: ‘Pandemic’ happening or the usual increase in influenza like illnesses expected at this time of year?

‘People are saying a 2.2 to 2.4% fatality rate total. However recent information is very worthy – if you look at the cases outside of China the mortality rate is <1%. [Only 2 fatalities outside of mainland China]. 2 potential reasons 1) either china’s healthcare isn’t as good – that’s probably not the case 2) What is probably right is that just as with SARS there’s probably much stricter guidelines in mainland China for a case to be considered positive. So the 20,000 cases in China is probably only the severe cases; the folks that actually went to the hospital and got tested. The Chinese healthcare system is very overwhelmed with all the tests going through. So my thinking is this is actually not as severe a disease as is being suggested. The fatality rate is probably only 0.8%-1%. There’s a vast underreporting of cases in China. Compared to Sars and Mers we are talking about a coronavirus that has a mortality rate of 8 to 10 times less deadly to Sars to Mers. So a correct comparison is not Sars or Mers but a severe cold. Basically this is a severe form of the cold.’

Prof John Nicholls, Coronavirus expert, Univ of Hong Kong 06 Feb 2020

Oh! ‘…..much stricter guidelines in mainland China for a case to be considered positive’ Hmmm…….

The truth of the matter is that the rock solid overall all cause mortality data don’t fit with the ‘pandemic models’.

You will know what to do when that happens………

199261 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Richard Pinch, #430 of 1969 🔗

Trying to keep it simple for them.

199535 ▶▶▶ MRG, replying to Richard Pinch, #431 of 1969 🔗

Prof. Michael Levitt asking Ferguson colleague about ‘R’.

Hope this gets to correct time-point (1:53:27)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1u_yworTco

At 1:55:21: “… The reproduction number arises from highly theoretical aspects in epidemiology…”

199789 ▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to MRG, #432 of 1969 🔗

The temperature arises from highly theoretical concepts in statistical mechanics. That doesn’t mean it’s highly theoretical in itself. The discussion you point to is about the problem of inferring the value of R from data.

199271 ▶▶ djaustin, replying to Awkward Git, #433 of 1969 🔗

My feedback was could we see things on a log-scale as well. Only then does geometric growth reveal itself.Then you can see that across the different regions and nations, admissions shrank at 3%/day during May-June, 2% during July-August and have been growing at 5% per day since schools returned.

As for R, a nice number to convey the concepts of transmission of infectious disease, but in reality, confounded by estimates of infectious duration. Growth rate is a more meaningful measure.

199668 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to djaustin, #434 of 1969 🔗

Growth rate of admissions for what?

PCR positives cannot be used to tell if the pandemic is advancing if for that we understand that deaths are to increase or decrease.’

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/pcr-positives-what-do-they-mean/

Utterly pointless. Overall all cause mortality plumb normal for the time of year.

198627 kenadams, replying to kenadams, 38, #435 of 1969 🔗

Good news – I had an interaction with a Normal Human Being (NHB) just now. We are getting quotes to get our roof fixed, and the guy rang the doorbell with his facemask on. I told him he didn’t need to on my account, and as we walked up the stairs he not only immediately took it off but told me what a load of rubbish this all is.

Remember – lots of people wearing masks are semi-sceptics themselves. They just want an easy life and/or are in a job where they’ve been told they must do it.

198635 ▶▶ steph, replying to kenadams, 13, #436 of 1969 🔗

In the last month or so we have had a number of tradesmen and architects visit as we are in the early stage s of getting some work done. Only 1 person out of I think 8 has kept their mask on after we have said please don’t wear it on our account and the relief is obvious.

198732 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to steph, 1, #437 of 1969 🔗

Same. When they are in your house it’s a good conversation starter.

198645 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to kenadams, 8, #438 of 1969 🔗

Yep. An electrician has been in a few times. First time he had a mask for a bit then we were talking about things. Unmasked from then on. The only thing I have noticed is that we are getting a bit more Japanese where a polite distance is now that bit bigger. I guess that will fade eventually

198652 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to kenadams, 14, #439 of 1969 🔗

I was just going to post something similar to this…….there are a fair amount of people who are complying with the mask to keep their job, stick to the rules, but also who are very sceptical, perhaps just not as much as we are on here.
My husband doesnt wear a mask as such, he is a biker to wear his neck scarf thingy he wears on his motorcycle into the shops, half times he doesnt bother but sometimes he will. Sometimes I do actually pity staff in retail and hospitality and other places who have to wear then for long periods of time and just comply to keep their jobs, being somewhat ignorant to the real damage it causes and that they have a right to be exempt if they so wish.

198654 ▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to kenadams, 29, #440 of 1969 🔗

I have found that most tradesmen, farmers and others who have worked throughout think the whole thing is nonsense. It’s the people who have been hiding away and watching the BBC who are hysterical.

198901 ▶▶ deldor, replying to kenadams, 11, #441 of 1969 🔗

I don’t wear a mask when shopping and it is great when I encounter a checkout person who is likewise unmuzzled. We are able to smile at each other and exchange the normal pleasantries that were always normal and part of what made days go by in more normal times that seem eons ago now.

When I see elderly people struggling down the street huffing snd puffing behind masks because they have been frightened by wicked outfits like the BBC, who they have traditionally thought they could trust, that they are in mortal danger, it makes me very sad and very angry!

198628 Mel, 7, #442 of 1969 🔗

Dan Jarvis has gone on my list of people who need to get fucked.

198629 alw, replying to alw, 2, #443 of 1969 🔗

Excellent on Care home scandalous treatment of elderly.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-cruelty-of-the-care-home-visit-ban

198661 ▶▶ annie, replying to alw, 10, #444 of 1969 🔗

It isn’t cruelty. It’s murder, pure and simple.

198640 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #445 of 1969 🔗

Anyone else find the decadeofhealth advert unsettling?

Saw it last night on TV, just once but that was enough.

The baby with the bandages over it’s eyes and something on the bottom about “2026 year of blindness” (didn’t quite catch it properly) was the worst bit, my impression was it seemed to not so much be a child be cured but having it’s eyes taken.

198696 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to 2 pence, #447 of 1969 🔗

On their website:

https://www.decadeofhealth.co.uk/ – there is not a .com option so it is aimed at the UK “market” and audience and no-one else.

Not the advert I saw, was definitely a baby with it’s eyes bandaged in 2026 – not the one in this video but a close up and it was 2 round eye pad type bandages and they were not taped on.

Will keep digging and try and find it.

Either that or I am having visions of things I’m not supposed to see and are not there.

There is a different decode of health as well:

https://endtheneglect.com/decade-of-health/

198679 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #448 of 1969 🔗

Disgusting isn’t it and did I notice the billy and mel gates logo at the end???

198706 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to stefarm, 3, #449 of 1969 🔗

to answer your question : yes.

198641 Pancho the Grey, replying to Pancho the Grey, 6, #451 of 1969 🔗

“What looks to be happening is that elderly patients who would normally be admitted for flu and pneumonia are being admitted for COVID-19 instead.” I am waiting for the controlled research which shows that the current test can differentiate between the two types of infection.

198689 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Pancho the Grey, 1, #452 of 1969 🔗

Yes I thought this was misleading. It’s very likely that many of these people are still being admitted for flu and pneumonia but have a positive test so go on the Covid count, but as you say can the test tell the difference anyway?

198863 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Pancho the Grey, #453 of 1969 🔗

I suspect the tests can tell the difference, but if someone tests positive for both they will of course be counted as a covid case and the flu test result will be forgotten.

198643 hammers67, replying to hammers67, 22, #454 of 1969 🔗

My son at university (first year) is giving up living in the city where his university is based at least for now. Locked down in his room seeing almost no one, no face to face lectures or tutorials, can’t even go to pub. He is coming home; at least he can be with his family and still have the same learning experience. Despite the cost, I wonder how many other students will follow suit. Do the governments in UK know what they are doing and do they even care?

198682 ▶▶ Julian, replying to hammers67, 8, #455 of 1969 🔗

Yes, the universities have been scandalous – how can they justify shutting when schools are open?

I doubt the government care – it’s not a headline-grabber.

Universities will carry on like this for many years, as it is much easier for them. The only thing that will stop that is if people vote with their feet and use the OU, or some universities break ranks in order to gain a competitive edge.

199750 ▶▶▶ Sceptical Lefty, replying to Julian, #456 of 1969 🔗

What you need to remember is that there was never a proper face to face teaching option. A socially distanced seminar with students at separate desks, 2m apart, wearing masks, was the method of delivery and large lectures ruled out of bounds. Funding mechanisms make universities reliant on accommodation fees. The staff who actually do the teaching are working very hard to provide decent online seminars. They had no say in any decision making.

198707 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to hammers67, 2, #457 of 1969 🔗

My cousin is in the same position, my ant and uncle paying a fortune on his rent every month even though he is in halls, he has no face to face lectures, cant socialise…..what is the point of him being there and my aunt and uncle being out a fortune!
UK government do not give a damn.

198736 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to hammers67, 5, #458 of 1969 🔗

Good for you, go and get him out of there!

I remember going to Uni at 18 and being placed in a tall brick building in Essex that looked pretty much like a prison cell. I would have gone insane if I was forced to be locked in there – first time away from family and friends.

I was only on the second floor, so it would have been hard to “end it all”, but each of those towers has about 13 floors.

Parents: Get your kids out of these places NOW.

198779 ▶▶▶ Telpin, replying to captainbeefheart, 5, #459 of 1969 🔗

They now have suicide guards on the windows. My daughter made to self isolate in her room can barely open the window for fresh air, while at the same time not being allowed to take her bins out – for 10 days!!

198784 ▶▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Telpin, 3, #460 of 1969 🔗

“They now have suicide guards on the windows” – at least they’re keeping us all safe then…

I assume all prisoners must surrender things like razor blades, cutlery etc

198803 ▶▶▶▶▶ hammers67, replying to captainbeefheart, 4, #461 of 1969 🔗

There will be a whole generation who may never trust our politicians again. Guilty MPs across the board, who simply ask for more lockdown and more cash to pay for it. The young will be paying for this for many years to come.

198807 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to hammers67, 4, #462 of 1969 🔗

“There will be a whole generation who may never trust our politicians again.”

About bloody time. Hopefully they will watch these people like hawks and not let them get away with unlawful power-crazed genocide like previous generations have.

198823 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to hammers67, 5, #463 of 1969 🔗

Eldest (6th former) said last night that she doesn’t think politics works in it’s current form and needs an overhaul. How right she is.

198834 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to CGL, 3, #464 of 1969 🔗

Instead of “The Great Reset”, we need “The Great Unravelling”. I’m going to be very suspicious of people who are the quickest to come up with ‘solutions’ to the problem.

198894 ▶▶▶▶▶ Telpin, replying to captainbeefheart, 4, #465 of 1969 🔗

To be fair, the suicide guards were there before – think it’s standard in student accommodation. The more general point is that I think there is a scandal around the treatment of students. It’s just that they’re seen as unsympathetic as they are young and want to live, interact and have fun- and now that’s verboten snd demonised.

198795 ▶▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Telpin, 2, #466 of 1969 🔗

Go and get her right now or as soon as you can.

198882 ▶▶▶▶▶ Telpin, replying to captainbeefheart, 3, #467 of 1969 🔗

I wish I could. She’s not allowed to leave her room. She told me that one student had been in the corridor one night ( coming back from toilet) and saw a member of staff ( who lived in the building) listening at the door! Civil liberties? What are they again?

198892 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Telpin, #468 of 1969 🔗

Is she locked in?

When those “educators” are forced to finally unlock those doors, I hope they get trampled to death.

I thought “Prison Break” was just a shit Netflix series.

198910 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Telpin, replying to captainbeefheart, 3, #469 of 1969 🔗

Not with a physical key but de facto, yes. They were interacting with each other ( ie within the bubble of 6 that were self isolated’. This is because NOT ONE of them is ill ( just happens that one of the bubble had a positive test and he was ‘forced’ to have a test as otherwise couldn’t play hockey) . They were sent an email saying that ‘concerns’ were raised within the building that this activity would spread the virus and therefore they couldn’t do this – with threat of escalation to the Dean etc. All BS of course as the Regs DONT say this. It was this bullying and intimidation and ‘gold plating’ of the Regs that led me to call the Dean

198958 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Telpin, 2, #470 of 1969 🔗

If no one is physically stopping her from leaving (or if she can “escape”), then if I was her I’d arrange to meet you somewhere and grab as much of my stuff as I could (I would just leave the rest of it there – it’s only possessions)

198818 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Telpin, 3, #471 of 1969 🔗

Suicide guards!!!!! Ffs.

198867 ▶▶▶▶▶ Telpin, replying to CGL, 10, #472 of 1969 🔗

Believe me they’re needed at the moment. The way my daughter and her fellow students are being treated in self isolation is horrendous. I was so appalled I called the Dean who was v defensive and actually told me – a parent – that their duty of care didn’t actually amount to much – they’d had legal advice on this. He then pointed to all the support that was published on the student website ( none of which – as I pointed out to him – was actually available in practice). To give an example, they’d organised a meals delivery service ( as they can’t even leave their rooms to use any communal space like the kitchen) but it wasn’t available at the weekend! Not allowed to take bins out but no service to remove rubbish so students are locked up in box rooms with all their accumulated food detritus ( and as I’ve said, not able to full open window due to suicide guard!!). And this at the same time as sending them a very snotty letter by email warning that some had been seen leaving their rooms to use communal areas – reminding them that they can only use the toilet and showers outside their room and if they touch anything in the corridors they need to sanitise it. Transgressions would be escalated to the Dean. No access to fresh air. At the end of my conversation with the Dean, he said ‘ I hope that you’re now reassured that we’re doing everything we can. ’ I replied that ‘ no, I wasn’t reassured as the one thing I hadn’t heard – either in the tone of his voice or in what he had said – was ‘compassion’. My voice was shaking with anger and distress.

198881 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Telpin, 4, #473 of 1969 🔗

This is cruel and inhumane. That “Dean” should be publicly named and shamed (which Uni is it?).

Please, for the sake of her sanity, get her out of there ASAP.

199040 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Telpin, 3, #474 of 1969 🔗

Yes – my ffs was at the idea that a ‘suicide guard’ should even be a thing.

I can completely understand your distress and that shaking you have in your voice,when you are so fizzing with anger and frustration and the last thing you went to do is cry because it appears as a weakness – and all you want to do is smash something. The sanctimoniousness of these imbeciles is maddening. I would have reacted exactly the same as you did. Only i am pretty sure I would have sworn – a lot!!

198962 ▶▶▶ Ruth Sharpe, replying to captainbeefheart, 5, #475 of 1969 🔗

And contact the universities for refunds – part of fighting back is screwing up the existing system even more.

198762 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to hammers67, 2, #476 of 1969 🔗

Someone is rubbing their hands for all the claims money that will be made against universities. I mean there are nows ads to get compensation for buying a VW diesel after the emissions scandal.

198814 ▶▶ deldor, replying to hammers67, 8, #477 of 1969 🔗

I must admit I have wondered for a while when this would start to happen.

If students can’t live normal social student life, or learning in person lectures, they will undoubtedly start to think about returning home, where at least they may be able to have some form of social life, provided not in one of the tier 3 areas of course.

This BS is destroying the precious and unrepeatable youth experience that all should be able to have in a free democracy, were we to live in one of course……..

198838 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to hammers67, 8, #478 of 1969 🔗

The universities are setting themselves up to go bust after this.

No overseas students that they can fleece out of cash.

Now UK students are waking up after having to pay over the odds that they’ve been had. Not to mention universities and student halls of residence have now become gulags. I won’t be surprised if many universities are inundated with lawsuits after this.

199739 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #479 of 1969 🔗

I suspect that is why universities are desperately trying to keep native British students on campus, because they know that once they’ve gone, they (or, more accurately, their money) will not be coming back. They’ve already lost their main cash-cows of the conference trade and overseas students.

198899 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to hammers67, 6, #480 of 1969 🔗

A friend of mines granddaughter is visiting her father in Greece and doing all her lectures on line and has no intention of returning back to uni to be imprisoned.

199073 ▶▶ annie, replying to hammers67, 4, #481 of 1969 🔗

Enrol him with the Open University.
Get together with other parents and sue the first university for breach of contract.

198644 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 8, #482 of 1969 🔗

This traffic light system is incorrect as green is medium high, amber is high and red is very high.

As traffic lights are red for stop, amber for caution and green for go then how can Green be medium risk ? Surely the C19 traffic light system should be orange for medium, amber for high and red for very high.

Nothing like keeping the levels of hysteria up.

198671 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Smelly Melly, 3, #483 of 1969 🔗

Looks like Manchester is going into a flip-flop-nuclear-fire-extinguisher lock down.

Words like “low” belong to the old-normal un-world.

I’m surprised they didn’t make it red to mean “the people have the most freedoms – don’t go there, it’s dangerous, you’ll die” and green to mean “totally safe because everyone’s under house arrest, slowly dying of loneliness and wallowing in despair”

198852 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #484 of 1969 🔗

That’s why they call it tiers now. And Tier 1 is yellow, not green. Just to make it clear to us that we’re not allowed to “go”.

198646 Caroline Watson, replying to Caroline Watson, 27, #485 of 1969 🔗

Now that investigations into the impact of lockdown are gaining momentum, I would like to see one into the impact of the ghastly mask mandate.
How has the reluctance of people to use high street shops rather than supermarket delivery services impacted on small businesses and local economies?
How many elderly people have become even more isolated since July because they avoid going out, either because they can’t cope with masks themselves or they can’t communicate with others who are wearing them?
How many people have avoided vital medical, dental or opticians appointments because of the draconian, ‘no exemption’ mask mandates?
How many people with hidden disabilities have been bullied at work or on public transport?
What physical reactions have people like retail staff, now required to wear them for long periods, suffered?
And – perhaps slightly arcane but I am a singer – what impact has the absurdity of singing in masks in some choirs had on the breath control and technique of singers?

198660 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Caroline Watson, 13, #486 of 1969 🔗

I’ve left Rock Choir – it changed me and for 4 years I have known joy the like of which I had never experienced outside of the pride in my kids achievements. That joy is gone. My daughter started learning to play the church organ in January (we aren’t church goers – she just fancied a challenge). She has learnt a piece well enough for an ‘outing’ now – but the church choirs aren’t singing, so she can’t play them out.

198742 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to CGL, 3, #487 of 1969 🔗

It will come back.

199088 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to annie, 3, #488 of 1969 🔗

PS. Go out into the fresh air and sing your heart out, it’s what I do and Stalin Dripfeed isn’t going to stop me.

199939 ▶▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to CGL, 2, #489 of 1969 🔗

We’ve started singing again in octets. It’s actually quite challenging and rewarding because every person makes a difference and you have to know your part. I’m in two church choirs on rotas. One DoM in a more rural area is totally laid back – no masks and a fair amount of mingling. The other, probably 30 years younger, is totally obsessive. I have announced that I do not wear masks. I will wear a scarf in a shop, for the sake of the staff, but wearing anything over the face before singing would make the breathing go high and ruin support and intonation. If I can’t sing properly I don’t want to do it at all.

198730 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Caroline Watson, 21, #490 of 1969 🔗

I am boycotting anything that requires a mask except for things that are directly linked to my health, which I consider more important. Where it’s meaningful I have made it clear to the places I used to go that I won’t be back unless it’s all back to normal again, and also made clear I think that day might not come in my lifetime. Most have ignored me, some have expressed confidence that it won’t last forever…

198741 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Caroline Watson, 3, #491 of 1969 🔗

It’s the staff that will be most impacted having to wear them the whole working week.

198859 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to karenovirus, 3, #492 of 1969 🔗

I’m starting to see it with my colleagues with some complaining about rashes and acne like spots in their face that they can’t shift with ordinary creams.

198877 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #493 of 1969 🔗

Do you think the Pig Dictators get rashers on their faces?

199030 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to annie, #494 of 1969 🔗

Upvote or downvote … Hmmm.

199078 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to annie, 1, #495 of 1969 🔗

He’s covering it with copious amounts of foundation, concealer and powder!

198853 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Caroline Watson, 7, #496 of 1969 🔗

Good questions. I’ve been boycotting the high street apart from food shopping and the occasional guerilla visits to bookshops.

I have been bullied on public transport and at least two shops – have written to both, one apologised and sent a voucher as compensation while the other didn’t and even used their risk assessment to justify their discriminating against those who are exempt. TFL don’t care and they’ve made it clear in their response to my complaint.

When the day of reckoning comes these shops and providers should be worried because either they will go bust or become targets should there be rioting and violence. Not that I’m advocating it but it will happen given people are slowly starting to wake up that we’re being conned.

198979 ▶▶ Ruth Sharpe, replying to Caroline Watson, 7, #497 of 1969 🔗

I agree – this is exactly the position my parents are in. My Mum keeps saying that their lives now are far worse now than in the actual lockdown, although being in Scotland, we have never really come out of lockdown.

With all of this, if you can find like-minded people, then you can come together & ignore the ‘rules’ – the vast majority are advisory. So if a group of you wants to sing, do it. You could hire a hall on the grounds you are doing any non-contact sport.

As for the mandatory laws, they are there to be ignored.

199230 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Caroline Watson, 3, #498 of 1969 🔗

A friend has stopped singing because of the daft rules imposed on her groups.

2 friends, committed Christians, have stopped going to church.

199716 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to wendyk, 2, #499 of 1969 🔗

I broke up a Zoom church meeting by shouting “No singing? This is satanic! I am not coming back until this is revoked!” and I haven’t been on Zoom or back to church since.

The worst bit was that my wife then heard them all saying “He’s right you know” but still going along with it like the good little sheep that they are. If they were told to get on cattle trucks, they would not only do so, but help each other on and then make sure the cattle trucks were nicely locked (for safety’s sake) after they were all in.

198653 Mel, replying to Mel, 26, #500 of 1969 🔗

Sheffield mayor: ‘Inaction was not an option’

Yes, it was.

198656 ▶▶ annie, replying to Mel, 7, #501 of 1969 🔗

‘not an option’ means ‘we’re too stupid and cowardly to consider it’.

198657 ▶▶ Mel, replying to Mel, 13, #502 of 1969 🔗

But like all politicians, you have a need to be SEEN to be doing something, and the hubris to think you can control a virus, so you sold South Yorkshire for £41 million.

I dont have swear words strong enough. I need to invent some new ones.

198675 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Mel, 2, #503 of 1969 🔗

Needs to be some sort of Clingon sounding language – ours isnt disgusting sounding enough. Any trekkies out there? Although it won’t really come across in written word I suppose.

198693 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Mel, 2, #504 of 1969 🔗

He probably just doesn’t want to see his family handed over to people traffickers by men in dark suits or something.

198726 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Mel, 2, #505 of 1969 🔗

That’s exactly what Drakeford said when announcing the Welsh lockdown. There’s a pattern in what these minor politicians say.

Talking of which, look at what phrase popped up in a speech from the Welsh Economy Minister, yesterday:

“Ken Skates gives call for kindness during mental health crisis as ‘dark winter’ approaches”
https://www.leaderlive.co.uk/news/18808236.ken-skates-gives-call-kindness-mental-health-crisis-dark-winter-approaches/

Again, an interesting choice of words, considering how meaningful “Dark Winter” is in conspiracy circles. Could be nothing, of course.

198748 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Mr Dee, 2, #506 of 1969 🔗

As if Hoess called for a gentler shove into the gas chambers in Auschwitz.

Hoess, BTW, considered himself a mild man. He scarcely ever used the whip on his horse.

199722 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to annie, 2, #507 of 1969 🔗

During the WWII unpleasantness, in Germany one of the concentration camp officers was trying to convey his kindness to the jews about to be gassed. He remarked (in the hearing of one the Kapos who survived the war) “Take deep breaths, it will pass faster…”

Sounds as useful as the remarks of the local “mayors”, none of whom were needed in the first place; just extra places at the trough.

198734 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Mel, 5, #508 of 1969 🔗

He can afford to convert the Crucible into a food bank now.

198737 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Mel, 3, #509 of 1969 🔗

They know the MSM will read ‘inaction’ as ‘throwing all grannies in their coffins’.
Of course no one would recommend total inaction, there could be measures such as shielding the vulnerable, that would not be inaction.

198703 Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 3, #510 of 1969 🔗

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/patent/search/family/072235969/publication/US2020279585A1?q=pn%3DUS2020279585A1

This is a patent for: System and Method for Testing for COVID-19

Check out the surname of the person taking out the patent.

May not be meaningful, but it’s interesting, considering the history surrounding that family name.

198723 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Mr Dee, 2, #511 of 1969 🔗

A Richard of that ilk used to attend Davos meets.

198744 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, #512 of 1969 🔗

And the provisional application for this patent was on what date?

198769 ▶▶▶ 2 pence, replying to Mr Dee, #513 of 1969 🔗

The present invention relates to diagnosing an individual’s health/wellness, and more particularly, to a system and method for using a mobile computing device (e.g., a smartphone) to acquire and provide vital signs, which can then be used to determine (or aid in the determination of) an individual’s health/wellness, including whether an individual is suffering from a bacterial and/or viral infection (e.g., COVID-19, etc.) or other respiratory conditions or symptoms. The present invention could be used in conjunction with a telemedicine or “digital health” system to provide a reliable and convenient method for remote collection and observation of a patient’s vital signs.

198705 Basics, replying to Basics, 13, #514 of 1969 🔗

Above today is fascinating and exceptional collection of articles showing the work being done to destroy the governments attacks on our lives. There is much to support and take heart in. These are not lightweight ifs and maybes but fully formed arguments and facts that can only be extinguished by propaganda. A powerful edition of Lockdown Sceptics indeed.

198750 ▶▶ annie, replying to Basics, 6, #515 of 1969 🔗

Hear hear.
Mention of international action by lawyers is encouraging.

198715 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 13, #516 of 1969 🔗

Can’t we Lockdown Sceptics ALL start calling them what they are – ”positive test results” rather than ‘ ‘CASES”. We know they’re not ”cases”.

Otherwise we’re just parroting their Newspeak.

198722 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Banjones, 5, #517 of 1969 🔗

If we could make the term PTR famous that would be great.
PCRs give PTRs not cases.

198850 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to thinkaboutit, 3, #518 of 1969 🔗

been going on about this for months .. Even the editorial here would refer to cases.

Anyway, i have always referred to them as Tests Resulting in Apparent Positives
A TRAP!!! The perfect acronym

All together now . a song for Doris

We’re caught in a trap
I can’t walk out
Because I love you too much baby
Why can’t you see
What you’re doing to me
When you don’t believe a word I say?
We can’t go on together
With suspicious minds (suspicious minds)
And we can’t build our dreams
On suspicious minds

Elvis has left the building ……………..

198719 stewart, replying to stewart, 12, #519 of 1969 🔗

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_virome

So the human body has trillions of viruses. Every living organism has viruses.

But the government thinks it can somehow “control” the spread of one particular type of virus mixed in among the trillions of viruses we all have by… shutting the pubs at 10pm instead of 11pm.

We really are so dumb.

198993 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to stewart, 2, #520 of 1969 🔗

I say this repeatedly. The government is engaged in a scheme so wacky that it could’ve been cooked up by Dr Evil and Mini Me. Yet we are labelled cranks?!

198720 JHuntz, replying to JHuntz, 23, #521 of 1969 🔗

Am I alone in struggling to find any motivation to work? I literally find it pointless earning money to do absolutely nothing with it. Can’t play my hobby lawn bowls can’t go to the pub and even when I could they took away music/pool/darts. Can’t go to watch a football match. Can’t go to a club or a karaoke bar. What is the point in working for this?

198724 ▶▶ Julian, replying to JHuntz, 8, #522 of 1969 🔗

It has got harder, for me, but I believe we’ll get out of this eventually so we need to stay sane, healthy and solvent Doing good work is helpful, for me at least.

198761 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Julian, 1, #523 of 1969 🔗

Yeah, thanks I guess I just need to keep the faith and save in the meantime for the coming economic ruin.

198725 ▶▶ stewart, replying to JHuntz, 3, #524 of 1969 🔗

That isn’t the worst. You can’t take the risks you want to take. You must do as you are told and sit in your room like a naughty 5 year old.

It’s completely madenning.

198763 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to stewart, #525 of 1969 🔗

yeah big daddy govt now dictates what risk are acceptable in my life.

198749 ▶▶ CGL, replying to JHuntz, 6, #526 of 1969 🔗

Yes – I have even told one of the partners in my company that I am on the verge of resigning so that I can help someone do something about all this with my time. We were lucky enough to be in a position where my earnings were for the good things in our life. If there arent any then I am redundant.

Very mature elder teenage daughter told me I would go (even more) insane if I didn’t have a job though. She was right of course.

198756 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to CGL, 1, #527 of 1969 🔗

Are you a lawyer CGL? I admire you potentially resigning to fight the good fight.

198785 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to JHuntz, 4, #528 of 1969 🔗

No – a lowly accountant doing the accounts of a firm of accountants. Living the dream!
Spending far too much time on here – i might get the sack before I resign but tbh I don’t care as much as I should really when others are having such a hard time. Ought to be grateful i still have a job (for the moment).

198757 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to JHuntz, 3, #529 of 1969 🔗

Agreed. In some ways I am fortunate in that as an accountant, I can WFH and my earnings are unaffected, especially as my employer deals in internationally traded services – i.e., not affected by lockdown.

On the other side, as I see my bank balance rise each month, I find myself thinking ‘what is the point? They are just electronic numbers that I can’t effectively use.’

199836 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Ewan Duffy, #530 of 1969 🔗

Personally I’m earning as much as I can and investing the excess in gold/silver and property. The former because I think currency debasement is inevitable, and the latter because if the future is going to mean having to stay at home permanently, I’d rather be somewhere with a decent amount of land to grow food on.

198765 ▶▶ annie, replying to JHuntz, 8, #531 of 1969 🔗

Can I have your surplus money please? Keeping my horse costs a lot. And I have a long list of books to buy. And I’m saving for a horse box and a new car, and all the lovely holidays I’m planning when the world becomes sane again. And I’d like to make a bigger contribution to support all the heroes fighting against the current bollox. And help support local businesses that are being flung into Dripfeed’s juggernaut.
That’s just for starters.

198789 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to annie, 3, #532 of 1969 🔗

Haha I like your plans and good to hear some positive thoughts Ann. unfortunately, I have some new acoustic/ electrical and classical guitars planned to be bought. Also, hoping to do some travelling in 2021 even if it involves a stick up my nose and throat. I expect a good amount of the savings should be gone by then.

198870 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to JHuntz, 3, #533 of 1969 🔗

Not enough over to buy me a baby grand even? Aw, shucks.

198783 ▶▶ DressageRider, replying to JHuntz, 3, #534 of 1969 🔗

Buy things of lasting value – art, books, top quality tools, etc, plan home refurbishment, give presents to loved ones? Support a favourite charity?

198871 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to DressageRider, 1, #535 of 1969 🔗

Buy your horse some lovely new tack.

198912 ▶▶▶▶ DressageRider, replying to annie, 1, #536 of 1969 🔗

Dressage saddles!!

199096 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to DressageRider, #537 of 1969 🔗

Now you’re thinking big!

198728 thinkaboutit, replying to thinkaboutit, #538 of 1969 🔗

This came up in my Google feed, GPs’ view on being criticised for lack of contact.
https://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/news/politics/over-400-sign-gp-letter-against-harmful-media-coverage/

198770 ▶▶ DressageRider, replying to thinkaboutit, 3, #539 of 1969 🔗

There are 2 very interesting comments below the Pulse article, which suggest that there are some murky politics going on:

“THIS ATTACK ON GPs COMES FROM TOP….IT IS NOT AN “ACCIDENT” BUT PART OF AN ORCHESTRATED CAMPAIGN AGAINST GPs…..GETTING TO THE SOURCES WILL BE IMPOSSIBLE AS THEY WILL BE “POLITICALLY SHIELDED”….

“I agree with PM above – spot on. This was planned. And will continue. A local practice was taken over by OPEROSE Health – a usa company. My theory is that from the DoH, to CQC to GMC there is an influence that is ‘unknown’. Perhaps USA based or not. But, I can see token Harvard and Stanford MBA and MPH graduates being fast tracked to power positions, to decimate and infiltrate primary care and bring it to its knees, and make partners run for Australia or Canada while they take over this billion dollar industry. Wouldn’t that be your plan if you saw the NHS and it’s careless budget and beleaguered issues?”

198951 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to DressageRider, 1, #540 of 1969 🔗

Not sure I trust those comments not to be an organised thing.

198733 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 6, #541 of 1969 🔗

I think it is worth reading this article to see the absurd policy of NZ unsustainable in the long run. Several important points. In the community case transmission one contact was only a few minutes which completely contradicts CDC/EDCD definitions of close contacts 15 minutes. This is an aerosol spread. Also the whole idea of testing pre-flight departure is a shamble. Two was screened pos in the mass screening pre departure and denied flight and the rest was cleared. However, arriving in isolation in NZ already 11 are positive. That is an example that flight screening will not work and Moonshot testing is lunacy. The virus is unstoppable.
 https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-auckland-bar-patrons-told-to-get-tested-after-confirmed-case/OIIGHNFYZIXPCYBOFC47PE5SYY/ “The 18 imported cases announced today follow the 11 cases revealed yesterday among Russian and Ukrainian fishing crews, part of the 237 crew who arrived on a flight from Moscow and landed in Christchurch last week. All were tested via nasal swab pre-departure, and Bloomfield said two people didn’t fly out because they had tested positive. The 18 imported cases announced today follow the 11 cases revealed yesterday among Russian and Ukrainian fishing crews, part of the 237 crew who arrived on a flight from Moscow and landed in Christchurch last week.”

198755 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to swedenborg, 3, #542 of 1969 🔗

The cynic in me is thinking that the virus had to be ‘controlled’ for the election and now that is over it has to return of course brought in from abroad and will soon be spreading out of control to justify the next phase of terrorising and enslaving the population.

198740 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 6, #543 of 1969 🔗

WHO are at it again then. Lockdown now! And that includes you Sweden!; no actually please don’t lock down again it’s too damaging, think of another way but herd immunity is MURDER; asymptomatic people don’t spread it, actually yes they do I didn’t really mean it!; sit tight and wait for the vaccine but that can’t be your strategy, it won’t be a silver bullet you know; doom doom doom the pandemic is only just beginning and the second wave is coming, but second waves might not actually be real so cheer up everyone… etc etc etc.

198754 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to A. Contrarian, 10, #544 of 1969 🔗

At this point everything we may have known or trusted is corrupt until proven otherwise.

198746 NappyFace, replying to NappyFace, 17, #545 of 1969 🔗

Have a read of Devi Sridhar’s twitter feed and the comments underneath it, if you want a good idea of what you are up against.

Anyone questioning the virus and lockdown strategies is an evil callous fucker who doesn’t care about lives, in that echo chamber. We need harsher lockdowns enforced by police and snitching, they call.

I struggle to understand how they have understood that lockdowns or frankly any other measures are helpful (other than the measure of protecting the extremely vulnerable, which I agree is helpful).

By their logic, we may as well ban all socialising forever (colds and flu), all cars, motorbikes, bikes, all sports, all activities involving the exchange of bodily fluids, all alcohol, sweets, fast food. The list goes on. And this must be for good. As who knows what new dangers may arise in future.

They seem utterly clueless to me.

But she is not clueless – she must know exactly what she’s doing.

Exploiting vulnerable people’s fears like that is, at best, unethical.

198751 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to NappyFace, 6, #546 of 1969 🔗

It’s beyond the pale. I have no idea why people still think COVID is a threat on balance of all other risks.
If there is nefarious forces this also sets a precedent that a virus can cause total destruction and the populace will support the majority of measures ‘required’.

198753 ▶▶ Julian, replying to NappyFace, 4, #547 of 1969 🔗

Indeed. My experience and belief is that the views expressed in such places are not typical and many people who are not sceptics are not zealots either, but apathetic or uncurious or gullible people who have been won over to an extent by propaganda or are just going along with things because they don’t like to rock the boat or it’s too painful to recognise we’ve been had and are being governed by fanatics.

I think it is the “silent majority” we are “up against” in terms of winning them over – the extremists are not worth bothering with.

198759 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to NappyFace, 2, #548 of 1969 🔗

She knows and is under strict orders either that or she is thick and a useful idiot

198764 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to NappyFace, 7, #549 of 1969 🔗

By their logic, we may as well ban all socialising forever (colds and flu), all cars, motorbikes, bikes, all sports, all activities involving the exchange of bodily fluids, all alcohol, sweets, fast food. The list goes on. And this must be for good.

It does start to look like that is the plan.

198768 ▶▶ Jenny, replying to NappyFace, 8, #550 of 1969 🔗

Just went on to look at delightful Devi’s twitter. Got to someone called Leshie Chandrapala whose father had very sadly died. I was somewhat disturbed to read that “his body was ravished by COVID-19” – this virus is clearly more menacing than I thought. Anyway, that probably makes me sound horrible and heartless and I am genuinely sorry for her loss. However, it does make me understand the level of stupidity we are up against. I didn’t read further.

198780 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Jenny, 4, #551 of 1969 🔗

My uncle was ravished by lung cancer and was screaming in pain, I’ll drop Devi a message maybe meet for a coffee.

It really is a covid top trumps isn’t it. Stupid.

198791 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to NappyFace, 2, #552 of 1969 🔗

Another day another professor. I always thought of professor’s as old, experienced and wise, now they know it all at 36 it seems. Conflicting opinions as the WHO ‘profs’ think lockdown’s dont work.

198802 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to NappyFace, 6, #553 of 1969 🔗

The BBC had an epidemiologist on a couple of weeks ago to talk about the Rule of Six. He expressed the view that ideally it ought to be the Rule of One; however, he apparently realised that even BBC Breakfast’s half awake viewers might see the absurdity of this and shifted to advocating practising the two metre social distancing rule. I could not help but notice that his hair was immaculately styled.

198865 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #554 of 1969 🔗

The Rule of One could be a bit awkward for schizophrenics.

198948 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to annie, 1, #555 of 1969 🔗

No, that’s multiple personality disorder. In schizophrenia it’s ‘split personality ‘ i.e. the different parts of the mind are split from each other. So the intellect and emotions don’t match up. It doesn’t mean there are several people inside the schizophrenic mind. It’s a common misconception.
I’ll collect my nerd of the day award! 🙂

199100 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to thinkaboutit, 1, #556 of 1969 🔗

Do the pundits still acknowledge multiple personality disorder?

198959 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to NappyFace, #557 of 1969 🔗

She’s on the list

199006 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to NappyFace, 1, #558 of 1969 🔗

Have a read of Devi Sridhar’s twitter feed and the comments underneath it …

77th.

199117 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to NappyFace, 4, #559 of 1969 🔗

She’s not a scientist, I believe her background is Public Health which means health as politics.

198758 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 2, #560 of 1969 🔗

Just received a letter addressed to “The Occupier”. It’s got my local council logo on the front, but it’s been delivered by an outfit called Cavalier Mailing in Norwich. It looks suspiciously like something to do with Wuhan lab flu. Anyone got an idea what it is? I don’t want to open it. I’d rather send it back unopened with a suitable message on the envelope.

198766 ▶▶ Steve, replying to Tenchy, 2, #561 of 1969 🔗

Return to sender.

198767 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Tenchy, 3, #562 of 1969 🔗

Forward it to Matt Hancock – he’s the Health Sec. Surely, he will know what to do.

198774 ▶▶ davews, replying to Tenchy, 2, #563 of 1969 🔗

Many councils are using independent organisations to do surveys for them. For instance I had one recently for my views on improving neighbourhood roads. Everything on the envelope suggested it was directly from the council but it was actually all done by this third party company. Maybe your suspicions are wrong and it has nothing to do with Covid but unless you open it you will never know.

198811 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Tenchy, 2, #564 of 1969 🔗

Just write “Not Known Here Return To Sender” and pop it back in the post.

198884 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Tenchy, 2, #565 of 1969 🔗

last one i had from the council to the “occupier” was about relocating a lamp post a couple of doors down the street .

and most large business will use mailing services as they are cheaper than Royal Mail .

Go on – open the bugger, we are all interested now !!!

198914 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to mjr, 3, #566 of 1969 🔗

Haha. I opened it. False alarm. LOL! It was something about collective switching of energy suppliers; a scheme run the council. They’re doing something useful for a change.

198966 ▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Tenchy, 2, #567 of 1969 🔗

Don’t speak too soon, they haven’t succeeded yet.

199220 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Tenchy, #568 of 1969 🔗

not necessarily.

local councils getting involved with electric supply can be dodgy. See this for the mess they make if they set up a company.

If however they are looking at bulk scheme where they negotiate a discount with suppliers then that can be good

199799 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Tenchy, #569 of 1969 🔗

Ah Communitarian Energy sharing scheme…Be Kind Join in. Don’t get left behind.

198981 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Tenchy, #571 of 1969 🔗

I had one last week addressed to ‘the householder’.
I opened it and texted those responsible for external maintenance
‘You have a letter from County Highways complaining about overhanging vegetation. Includes pretty photo of same along with instruction and advice how to avoid shrubbery hazards’

199002 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Tenchy, #572 of 1969 🔗

Electoral register update ?

199958 ▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to Tenchy, #573 of 1969 🔗

I’ve had one of those but I think it might be about the fourth wheely bin that Northumberland has just issued for bottles only. A nice bright purple top so that all the neighbours can see how often you’re putting it out. It’s certainly needed here!!

198772 Binra, replying to Binra, 3, #574 of 1969 🔗

Any true response to the challenges being faced needs to get to what runs beneath the appearances of many fronts as a common purpose running within all attacks on sanity and wholeness of being.
I understand that to those who drive such agenda, there is no wholeness or sanity while the virus of human thinking is actively hijacking (their) ‘common purpose’ – which is effectively installed or indoctrinated via guilt, fear and incentivised self interest – subject to compliance.

The idea that the end justifies the means, means there is no ending the means.

Control (aka power) for its own sake, is an appetite or drive that cannot be satiated or complete until you are dead or excluded from even a potential to generate instability to the system, while those instabilities which feed the system are orchestrated proxies for the establishing of the tumour as the body politic.

To set your world aright, set you mind on recognising the means by which we are induced to attack and undermine ourselves and thereby each other.
The very nature of thought, word and act has been corrupted to serve as a weapon of possession and control – in conflict, subjection and dispossession of life.
What others think, say or do is not my responsibility – but how we perceive and respond is – and that will proceed automatically from what we are thinking and feeling as the expression or suppression of our word and our behaviour.

To a mind under its own deceit this will seem to say nothing and mean nothing – or at best be seen as undermining ‘the means to regain control and avert evil outcomes’.

This is how such a mind infects the many – under the guise of saving or protecting us from fear.

The nature of the loveless mind is its presumption to usurp and replace life.
However, once a mind is set in the act or running on a mis-taken identity, it is immediately protective of such as true and defended against a living truth.

So there is a systemic ‘evil’ or division of a split mind from which we operate but cannot see – any more than those terrified by the virus promotion can see that their own mind is masked off under false protection.
But the noticing of fears, hates, shames or guilt-driven thought and narrative masking in ourselves needs be accepted to be RELEASED to a free willing alignment in who we are and what we truly want.

The mind of blame is the mind of judgement. It doesn’t matter that we notice judgements in our mind. What matters is those we invest identity in, and are thereby phished of that which identifies truly.

God is not a matter of adding belief to the already living. God is the Mind in which a belief can be aligned in, accepted, experienced, shared in, lived and suffered as our reality.
That we can hide and be hidden from the Mind of God is the freedom to engage in the belief that we could want to.

The Sun shines on the just and unjust alike. Such is an unconditional love. But the conditions we generate by our beliefs, or conditioned response to already active belief, can and do block out the light of awareness, presence and appreciation for being.

198996 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Binra, 3, #575 of 1969 🔗

The rain it raineth on the just,
and also on the unjust fellow;
but mainly on the the just because
the unjust stole the just’s umbrella.

199847 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to JohnB, #576 of 1969 🔗

Is that by George Orwell? I seem to recall reading it in a book of his works ages ago.

200486 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cranmer, 1, #577 of 1969 🔗

Looked it up – Bowen, Charles Synge Christopher, Baron Bowen of Colwood.

He was a judge, also credited with ‘the man on the Clapham omnibus’.

198773 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 8, #578 of 1969 🔗

Patrick Valance on Friday (16 Oct) told us “the modelling, that’s the data we are looking at”. This was broadcast live. The briefing was reported across the corporate media. Yet no one (with a platform) pointed out that the outcomes of computer models are not data. Apparently, being unable to understand statistics is a prerequisite qualification for membership of the political media elite.

198775 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #579 of 1969 🔗

Be fair, these models are up to 100% accurate

198778 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to captainbeefheart, 4, #580 of 1969 🔗

False accurate

198841 ▶▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to CGL, 4, #581 of 1969 🔗

They’re up to 150% false-accurate, give or take 357% – but still up to 100% accurate.

(This is reminding me of Blair’s “false-truths”)

198873 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to captainbeefheart, 4, #582 of 1969 🔗

Speaking of Blair, do you remember him asserting: “I only know what I believe.” The whole of the establishment appear to have adopted his position.

199848 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to CGL, #583 of 1969 🔗

Permanent temporary restrictions.

198809 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #584 of 1969 🔗

Be fair, these models are up to 100% accurate

Just like Valance and Whitty’s projection was.

198836 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #585 of 1969 🔗

Oh, but that was never meant to be a prediction, only a projection (or a prognostication, or a protruberance, or whatever verbal fog he used). That’s why they coloured it bright red and plastered it all over the wall.

198828 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Steve Hayes, 9, #586 of 1969 🔗

I’d quite like to see Vallance/Whitty/Van Tam interviewed live by Andrew Neil. He’s pretty much the only one left who actually studies the evidence and conducts proper, forensic interviews.

198781 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 15, #587 of 1969 🔗

Out of the blue just had a telephone call from the Northern Ireland Assembly office dealing with my FOI request on info and justifications of lockdowns and restrictions relating to PCR test results.

He was a bit embarrassed as they have no information about PCR tests etc blah blah blah so couldn’t answer the questions except to say “we have nothing”.

He is going to forward it to the Health department and get them to see what they have but he says even there it is doubtful.

He was interested to era about the problems with PCR tests and was relieved that not 1 council or local authority has any information either and was a bit shocked that the FOI answer I received from the DHSC stated quite clearly the test was worthless in this situation they way it is being used.

The NI Assembly also released this morning all their data justifying how they are putting on the restrictions and it is on their website somewhere but he wasn’t sure where and based on my information he is not sure it is worth much now either.

198792 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #588 of 1969 🔗

Fellow N.I person here. Am surprised they even rang you back!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-54626760
Chamber of Commerce saying Stormont evidence is flimsy and shocking!

198796 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Janice21, 3, #589 of 1969 🔗

Funny that – I told him all the Government data so far made no sense.

198793 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #590 of 1969 🔗

Epic mister G.

198782 Janice21, replying to Janice21, 48, #591 of 1969 🔗

Does anyone else want to vomit when people still tell you to ‘stay safe’.
If only we were safe from our bloody government!!

198812 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Janice21, 7, #592 of 1969 🔗

Exactly – you nailed it.

198815 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Janice21, 8, #593 of 1969 🔗

Yes, it irritates the hell out of me. It’s a typical sheeple response.

198820 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Janice21, 16, #594 of 1969 🔗

It makes me want to push their smug faces in. Same when people use “new normal” or “second wave” in ordinary conversation.

198831 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Janice21, 17, #595 of 1969 🔗

Exactly. I reply “stay sane”. Confuses the hell out of them.

199026 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to kh1485, 3, #596 of 1969 🔗

I’ve used the same exhortation since the outset in March. It does completely bamboozle some, but sometimes I can actually see the penny drop as they realise the psychological pressures they are under.

198833 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Janice21, 4, #597 of 1969 🔗

Because safe is all that matters. Sod everyone else.

198855 ▶▶ annie, replying to Janice21, 9, #598 of 1969 🔗

Nobody DARES say ‘stay safe’ to me.

198861 ▶▶ fiery, replying to Janice21, 9, #599 of 1969 🔗

It makes me want to slap some of these sanctimonious virtue signalling morons. I want to shout that I don’t want anyone protecting me or keeping me safe. My life and entire way of living is about taking risks.

198886 ▶▶ Mrs issedoff, replying to Janice21, 8, #600 of 1969 🔗

When anyone says it to me my response is “for gods sake shut up”. I have had some strange looks, but then proceed to tell them that I don’t need saving from this deadly virus(sarcasm)and for them to read some truths and not msm.

198954 ▶▶ davews, replying to Janice21, 4, #601 of 1969 🔗

This really hit home here. One of my hobbies is amateur radio. Earlier in the year loads of special callsigns came on the bands such as OH1STAYHOME, all with the ‘stay home’ in them. The to cap it all our national society RSGB came up with a scheme to help the NHS and we could all add /NHS to our callsigns. Sadly here it had the opposite effect and I lost interest in the very hobby I have supported for over 50 years. ‘Stay safe’ at the end of every amateur radio contact really rubbed it in.

199795 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to davews, 1, #602 of 1969 🔗

I used to be an enthusiastic reader of Radio User magazine but in Arril they went all covid mental, stay safe, stay at home, etc I just couldn’t read it any more.

200177 ▶▶ T inthecentre, replying to Janice21, 1, #603 of 1969 🔗

God yes. I’m so sick of that saying. It’s a little bit like telling someone to remember to keep breathing.
“stay safe.”
“I’ll try, just might willfully hurt myself by walking in front of a car, stepping on a power drill, or god forbid standing within 2m of someone.”

198787 Basics, replying to Basics, 10, #604 of 1969 🔗

One way of looking at the latest ‘Northerner’ vs Westminster show is it distracts from the inevitable plan.

The untrustables North and South create a scene of dispute. That scene ends in the intended all along senario of hospitality etc. closed, without any murmur. Simply extending the lockdown will now permanently finish off much of the hospitality and suppling trades. No brutal confrontation of closing the “unviable” industry. The true aim has been disguised by the scene created by the untrustables.

Sturgeon announced the same game plan yesterday by talking about Scotland’s two week lockdown as now being indefinite.

At least one long-established Manchester pub threw in the towel yesterday. They needed the uncertainty to end and so they have shut for good.

Why target hospitality? Besides the supposed carbon problems of travel, Devi Sridhar has written a paper arguing for the removal of alcohol from life. She wrote that only the UN and WHO have the ability to use international law to get the job done. The paper was written in about 2012, making Sridhar about 29 at the time.

Scotland’s situation today is that a prohibition is in place across the central belt and in rural areas night life has been outlawed.

198940 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Basics, 4, #605 of 1969 🔗

I’ve thought for a long time that the anti-alcohol crowd are using lockdown to further their agenda.
This is lose-lose for us because hospitality was always good for soaking up short term unemployment.

198985 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to karenovirus, 3, #606 of 1969 🔗

It’s become the anti-everything crowd. Like going the pub? – Banned! Like a wholesome activity like visiting your Mum? – Banned! Like going to the shop without being subject to abuse? – Banned!

198790 calchas, replying to calchas, 5, #607 of 1969 🔗

UK public sector finances for September:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governmentpublicsectorandtaxes/publicsectorfinance/bulletins/publicsectorfinances/september2020

  • Public sector net borrowing (excluding public sector banks, PSNB ex) is estimated to have been £36.1 billion in September 2020, £28.4 billion more than in September 2019 and the third-highest borrowing in any month since records began in 1993.
  • Central government tax receipts are estimated to have been £37.7 billion in September 2020 (on a national accounts basis), £6.0 billion less than in September 2019, with large falls in Value Added Tax (VAT), Business Rates and Corporation Tax receipts.
  • Central government bodies are estimated to have spent £77.8 billion on day-to-day activities (current expenditure) in September 2020, £18.1 billion more than in September 2019; this includes £4.9 billion in Coronavirus Job Retention Scheme (CJRS) and £1.0 billion in Self Employment Income Support Scheme (SEISS) payments.
  • Borrowing (PSNB ex) in the first six months of this financial year (April to September 2020) is estimated to have been £208.5 billion, £174.5 billion more than in the same period last year and the highest borrowing in any April to September period since records began in 1993; each of the six months from April to September 2020 were also records.

Quick summary for September:

Expenditure – 77.8 billion

Taxes – 37.7 billion (covering nicely less than 50% of expenditures)
Borowing – 36.1 billion

198798 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to calchas, 5, #608 of 1969 🔗

What do you think Johnson and his Cartel are trying to do. Do they think a bankrupt country works better?

198805 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #609 of 1969 🔗

I try to be positive.

Increasing poverty will decrease legitimacy.

198908 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #610 of 1969 🔗

The Great Reset.
Total economic collapse, government takes on all private debt in return for your assets. Universal basic income with your life controlled by Social Credit (after you take the vaccine).
That seems to be the theory, dunno if it’s real.

199186 ▶▶▶▶ pmdl, replying to karenovirus, 1, #611 of 1969 🔗

Hardly a theory, straight from Agenda 21

Land… cannot be treated as an ordinary asset, controlled by individuals and subject to the pressures and inefficiencies of the market. Private land ownership is also a principal instrument of accumulation and concentration of wealth and therefore contributes to social injustice; if unchecked, it may become a major obstacle in the planning and implementation of development schemes. The provision of decent dwellings and healthy conditions for the people can only be achieved if land is used in the interest of society as a whole.

198900 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to calchas, #612 of 1969 🔗

Won’t be my grandchildren paying it off, haven’t got any.

198941 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to calchas, 1, #613 of 1969 🔗

I don’t pretend to understand but there is something called modern monetary theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Monetary_Theory whereby you just print money and crack on. If something sounds too good to be true …. Perhaps someone who understands this stuff can enlighten us as to whether it really works or why it doesn’t .

199064 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to arfurmo, #614 of 1969 🔗

You answered your own question with ‘too good to be true’.

Instead of thinking in monetary terms about debt, it is more useful to think simply:

More debt = Consumption greater than production.

To think that MMT could be correct is to think essentially that consumption can be greater than production for everyone for ever.

199576 ▶▶▶ Helen, replying to arfurmo, #615 of 1969 🔗

I can tell you that economics as we know it (neoliberal) operates in detachment from earths biophysical reality.

Explained in this paper by a rare kind of economist the Social Ecological Economist: Clive Spash

http://www.paecon.net/PAEReview/issue87/SpashSmith87.pdf

198799 NappyFace, 3, #616 of 1969 🔗

Just the last few weeks until the presidential election. Then what happens?

Trump out.

Then, wow, a Miracle – everyone take VitD and carry on?

Or lockdown forever?

198801 microdave, replying to microdave, 4, #617 of 1969 🔗

Dr Reiner Fuellmich’s Video Censored by YouTube

Good job I downloaded a copy…

198890 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to microdave, #618 of 1969 🔗

Hosting it anywhere ?

198933 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to karenovirus, 1, #619 of 1969 🔗

It’s up on brandnewtube and bitchute. Please add links those who seek it out.

198813 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 6, #621 of 1969 🔗

This headline came up in a news feed e-mail I get. You have to laugh, otherwise you’d despair:

More jobs are at risk of automation than previously thought as the pandemic accelerates the shift in work practices, the World Economic Forum has warned.

“warned”—yeah, that’s a good one!

199020 ▶▶ Arkansas, replying to mattghg, #622 of 1969 🔗

“Promised”. “Ensured”.

198816 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #623 of 1969 🔗

Number of civil servants per 1000 per residents in each region 2019 : North East, 11, North west 7.5, South East 4.2. The lockdown’s in the north are affecting less people financially than they would in the south.

198822 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #624 of 1969 🔗

Interesting. Looks to me like there’s a direct relationship between the number of civil servants in an area and the number of “cases”. An answer here would be to quarantine all civil servants.

198849 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #625 of 1969 🔗

Axe-grinding isn’t analysis.

199150 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to RickH, #626 of 1969 🔗

No axe to grind just facts.

198885 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #627 of 1969 🔗

It’s because Whitehall shipped jobs up north in the 70s and 80s to soak up some of the unemployment.

198829 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 44, #628 of 1969 🔗

Let me tell you all a story about this entire year up until now.

In January this year, I was paid off from my job with the local council, which was a bummer, but it was always a temporary contract that just kept getting extended every 3 months & I got 3 & a half years out of it.
Fair enough I thought, shit happens & I will get another job elsewhere.

In February this year, me & my fiancée broke up after 5 years together, this was devastating for me, as we have a baby boy together. I was genuinely utterly devastated by this.

In March, Monday the 23rd (when the whole UK went into lockdown) I actually started another job, the 23rd was my induction day.
That evening, when Boris announced that we were all to stay at home & non essential business was to close, I wondered what that would mean for me, would I be able to work or not?
So, on the Tuesday morning at 6am, I went into my new place of work, only for everyone to be sent straight home.
This was not very good for me, as I was still extremely hurt & upset about my relationship break up 4 weeks prior.

Yes, I got my 80% furlough wage as the company I worked for paid me as a goodwill gesture, but still, being under forced house arrest wasn’t good.
I stuck with this for about 3 weeks, then decided that I cannot not see my family & friends. So, I decided to visit my sister regularly, she was a rock for me during this time.
Fast forward to the end of May this year & I got a phone call from my work to say that my furlough was ending & I was to return to work the following Monday.
Bear in mind that I had not actually done any work at all since I started on the 23rd of March.
When I returned to my work, it was totally & utterly bizarre, to be “covid” secure everyone had to wear face masks, no more than 3 people were allowed into the canteen at once & they had done away with the kettle, microwave & the vending machines.
This was the “new normal” constant wearing of face masks was here to stay.
Now keep in mind, this is a manufacturing factory, which is impossible to social distance in, due to the nature of the work.

Everyday was horrible, the stupid rules were enforced & we were told that if you don’t comply, you won’t have a job.

Well, I lasted until the end of August this year & because of the more & more absurd rules being introduced & the fact that the place was a horrible place to work, I resigned.
Which, is something that I’ve never ever done before, but I was very unhappy & I couldn’t go on that way.

So, since then, I have been applying for jobs as you do, yet…..I have not got a single thing, not even an acknowledgement to say thanks for applying.
So, now, I am unemployed & fast running out of money (I do not sign on & never have) & it seems that jobs are now getting extremely hard to get.

I am now feeling at my lowest ever point. I may only have myself to blame, I get that now, however, I did think that I would be able to get a job again.
It seems not.

2020….has been the worst ever year of my life & I cannot see 2021 getting better.
I sometimes feel that it would be better if I wasn’t here anymore. I am 40 years old, so no spring chicken. I am utterly dreading Christmas also.
It’s amazing what can happen in a year (almost)

198843 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to AnotherSceptic, 23, #629 of 1969 🔗

Stay strong, apply for your benefits, you’ve paid your tax and now that the government are deliberately tanking the economy, take what you deserve. Many who have contributed nothing to society hold their hands out now.

198857 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Dan Clarke, 11, #630 of 1969 🔗

Thank you Dan. I checked my national insurance payments online last week, I have a full 23 years paid.
I just am to proud to attempt to claim benefits, I have never ever done that in my life.

198876 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to AnotherSceptic, 18, #631 of 1969 🔗

This is what benefits are for. Forget ‘pride’ – it’s nothing to do with that.

Meanwhile, best wishes to you in finding a way through this truly shit time.

198878 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to AnotherSceptic, 13, #632 of 1969 🔗

There you go, you’ve paid in all your life get back what’s yours. Google hmg universal credit

198887 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to AnotherSceptic, 14, #633 of 1969 🔗

I know how it feels. But grit your teeth and do it. You have a right to that money. The shame is on those who drove you into that position.Not on you.

198897 ▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to AnotherSceptic, 13, #634 of 1969 🔗

Get some advice – maybe call Citizens Advice. I think, but am not an expert , that if you resigned there is a period in which you are not allowed benefit. You should definitely get what you are entitled to though and that probably means claiming as soon as possible.
Chin up, none of this is your fault and you have paid your dues; get some of it back!

199079 ▶▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to steph, 5, #635 of 1969 🔗

I resigned my job as I could not go along with “new rules”, signed on immediately, haven’t heard. I also believe there is a period you are not entitled to JSA when one resigns.
Luckily I have money to fall back on.
I found the gov site very confusing, do I apply for Job Seekers allowance, universal credit or the 3rd option? Well, at least not the 3rd for sure.
I actually took some time out when I was 40, luckily I had volunteer work to keep me occupied, I was busier than at work!
Best time of my life!
Hang in there.

198945 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to AnotherSceptic, 7, #636 of 1969 🔗

AS, the Royal Navy is picking up undocumented illegals and bringing them into the country, while we are being told to stay home! They are then given free stuff that you can’t get even as a tax/NI payer. Get what’s yours, there is no shame in that. Shame is for the bastards doing this to you and us.

198955 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to AnotherSceptic, 7, #637 of 1969 🔗

Don’t think of it as a loss of pride – you are absolutely entitled to what you have paid on for all those years. It is exactly these times that the system was meant for – not the lifestyle choice that a few make in abusing it.

200170 ▶▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to AnotherSceptic, 1, #638 of 1969 🔗

Don’t think of it as claiming a benefit. It’s an insurance claim. You wouldn’t pay your car or home insurance then not make a claim should you need to, therefore until you get another job (and with your work ethic you will) you need to submit an unemployed insurance claim. They will also assist with your job search. Good luck.

198848 ▶▶ annie, replying to AnotherSceptic, 12, #639 of 1969 🔗

Foul.
Not you, THEM.
Keep your courage up. We’re with you.
I do hope you are getting to see your little boy.

198854 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to AnotherSceptic, 12, #640 of 1969 🔗

Sign on for unemployment and add to the statists of this absurdity whilst helping to bankrupt the country. Win win.

198856 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to AnotherSceptic, 15, #641 of 1969 🔗

I am very sorry and sad to read this. Agree with Dan’s post, please sign on at the job centre and take every piece of what you are entitled to – money, advice, training options. I have had to sign on twice, and it is very demeaning. However, there will sadly be millions now in this position. Stay strong and keep talking to us on here for any small bit of support and comfort we can offer.

198864 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 4, #642 of 1969 🔗

I think it’s all digital now so perhaps not so demeaning.

198860 ▶▶ calchas, replying to AnotherSceptic, 11, #643 of 1969 🔗

Sorry to hear your tale.

I don’t know your personal circumstances – ie does your ex-partner have custody of the child, but my advice to you, apart from keeping on the ball professionally – applying and learning, keeping your skills current etc, is to specd every moment with your child that you can. Every dark cloud has a silver lining. You now have the time to do that presumably.

If you can’t or won’t comply with the distancing, masking nonsense, thenis starting some kind of Internet business a possibility for you.

Whatever you do hang in there.

199964 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to calchas, 2, #644 of 1969 🔗

Agree with every word. Build your relationship with your child as he needs you to be his father.
Will add, also resurrect old hobbies.

198862 ▶▶ Mrs issedoff, replying to AnotherSceptic, 10, #645 of 1969 🔗

It certainly would not be better if you weren’t here and your baby boy needs you around. I know things can come across as platitudes, however, things will get better. Confide in your sister and talk to as many like minded people as you can, that is the only thing that keeps me remotely sane.

198874 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to AnotherSceptic, 16, #646 of 1969 🔗

Oh gosh I am so sorry to read this. You have had a truly devastating year. Do you still get to see your baby son?
Please don’t feel so alone, keep talking to your sister and us on here. And don’t be ashamed of claiming Job Seekers, you have worked to pay into the system!
I cant blame you for quitting your recent job with all those rules. Good for you for resigning as that takes a lot of guts!
Also 40 is very young, you have a lot ahead of you and to look forward to, I know you can not see it now but the tide will turn for you some day. Try to stay strong for your son and hold your head high.
The year isn’t over yet.x

198906 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to AnotherSceptic, 14, #647 of 1969 🔗

I think that there’s quite a few of us with difficult stories to tell my friend. We can and will get through this, and you are definitely not alone.

Just remember that the night is darkest just before dawn.

Talk to people if you need help, your sister perhaps, or a health professional. There’s plenty of people on here that will lend an ear too. Drop me a message you want I’ll help if I can.

Please don’t give up, too many people care about you.

Arnie.

198909 ▶▶ adele, replying to AnotherSceptic, 15, #648 of 1969 🔗

If you’re running out of money please consider universal credit. This is exactly what it should be used for.
A lot of people have increased feelings that they’d be better off not here, but stay strong for your son. Plus we need as many sceptics as we can get!
Keep visiting your sister and have decent breaks from the news and internet. Things will get better! X

198923 ▶▶ Liam, replying to AnotherSceptic, 19, #649 of 1969 🔗

Different circumstances but my wife walked out on me on my 40th birthday, emptied our savings account and left me with two young kids, no money and a pile of bills I couldn’t pay. My mother had a massive stroke the following day with the strain. Fast forward a few years, I’m in good health, my kids have done great in school, with the eldest at university, and my mum has made a good recovery.

Things can get better. See a solicitor if you’re having access difficulties with your lad – you have rights – and claim back what you’ve paid into the rotten system that’s done this to you. Best wishes.

198972 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to AnotherSceptic, 9, #650 of 1969 🔗

“I may only have myself to blame”

Don’t say that to yourself. Your post is heartbreaking, but this bit is bollocks. The people that are doing this to us have totally wrecked everyone’s life. Direct your anger at them and don’t let the bastards grind you down.

199139 ▶▶ VickyA, replying to AnotherSceptic, 3, #651 of 1969 🔗

I felt similar to you once. Periods of unemployment but claiming nothing. But after constant nagging from others I bit the bullet. It wasn’t nice, you just want to tell them to F off but YOU are entitled to support. Go get what you deserve and are entitled to. Start getting money flowing to you again and more will follow….

199171 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to AnotherSceptic, 6, #652 of 1969 🔗

Stay strong and KBO!!!

With regards to jobs, have you thought of signing up for agencies? A friend of mine did and was told that temp jobs will be the way to go as the economy tanks.

Temping is one way to get into a particular sector as you acquire the relevant skills on the job.

199688 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to AnotherSceptic, 3, #653 of 1969 🔗

I sometimes feel that it would be better if I wasn’t here anymore.

That is NOT true!

I may only have myself to blame…

Neither is that!

199784 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to AnotherSceptic, 3, #654 of 1969 🔗

That’s a bad tale of woe for sure. Well done for sticking it out for so long. If it’s any comfort, I haven’t had a “proper” job for a long long time. Yes I have very little cash but it’s surprising how much you actually need. Not that much. Especially as everything is fucked.

One of the big problems of universal credit was the pressure to seek work and prove you were doing so for hours every day. Now I have heard they have greatly eased off on this pressure.If you don’t own a house or have more than £16000 in the bank you can claim it. They also pay you benefits if you work part time. Not ideal but not as nasty as it was.

If you can find some way of making some cash of your own back that’s a good way to go. What you do doesn’t need to be a big deal to get going. Have a think about your skills and how you could turn them to your advantage on your own terms.

Set up a solar power stuff shop? It’s very zeitgiesty

You might find that you are making more than you did before for a lot less grief and you might even enjoy it.

198830 calchas, replying to calchas, 4, #655 of 1969 🔗

https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/google-mobility-data-suggests-sweden-socially-distanced-less-other-countries :

Using the Google Community Mobility Trends data, we find that the Sweden practiced social distancing far less than countries that had strict lockdowns in place.
For example, the amount of time spent at home surged 30 percent in the UK, Spain, and Italy during the harshest lockdown period. Yet during this same period, the Swedes’s amount of time spent at home never exceeded 15 percent.”

198847 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to calchas, 6, #656 of 1969 🔗

The home is, of course, a major site for the transmission of viral infection.

198889 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #657 of 1969 🔗

Yes, and fresh air and sunshine are a good safeguard against it.

198840 RickH, 5, #658 of 1969 🔗

After that appalling and misleading press waffle yesterday (how many of the press arse-lickers have picked up the proof positive of political – not medical – motivation behind reducing the Manchester support to 22m?), I thought posters here might like to have Kerry Mullis to hand, given that this all focuses around the scam that is PCR testing.

This is an edited transcription of Mullis talking about the interpretation of PCR results :

“It [PCR] allows you to take a very miniscule amount of anything and make it measurable and then talk about it in meetings and stuff like that as if it’s important … there’s just very few molecules that you don’t have at least one single one … in your body. So that could be thought of as a ‘misuse’ of it just to claim that its ‘meaningful’…. if they could find this virus in you at all with PCR [it’s possible] to find almost anything in anybody ….. It doesn’t tell you that you’re sick and it doesn’t tell you that the thing you ended up with was really going to hurt you or anything like that”

198872 Basics, replying to Basics, 57, #659 of 1969 🔗

Good news.

https://youtu.be/hJvQoTEdy-s

Gyms are allowed to open in Liverpool. The intimidation of the black mob with guns – the police of course – failed. Nick Whitcombe stood up to them with others using integrity a victory has been won.

People have victory of this battle.

198891 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Basics, 10, #660 of 1969 🔗

Best news I have heard all day!

198898 ▶▶ annie, replying to Basics, 10, #661 of 1969 🔗

MAGNIFICENT! EPIC!

My mum always said bullies would crumble jf you stood up to them.

198903 ▶▶ steph, replying to Basics, 6, #662 of 1969 🔗

Fantastic! A victory at last. Maybe other sectors in locked down areas could step up now?

198904 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Basics, 5, #663 of 1969 🔗

This is excellent news. Now pubs and restaurants can do the same thing surely? And Tier 3 is no more.

198915 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to A. Contrarian, 18, #664 of 1969 🔗

It is. I just wish the hospitality industry as a whole would just stick two fingers up to this crap. If it did, what could they do?

199188 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 3, #665 of 1969 🔗

Agree. Its baffling why the other sectors have not fought back. Had they done so back in June we wouldn’t be in this mess.

198927 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Basics, 7, #666 of 1969 🔗

Arise Sir Nick Whitcombe, for services to liberty.

198956 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Basics, 5, #667 of 1969 🔗

Gyms are allowed to open in Liverpool.

Huzzah !

(always record council officers when possible. 🙂 ).

198977 ▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Basics, 4, #668 of 1969 🔗

I can’t believe that a couple of people ‘downvoted’ that clip. What grotesque ‘human’ beings they must be

198986 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to T. Prince, 2, #669 of 1969 🔗

Probably overweight Environmental Health Officers!

198998 ▶▶ Telpin, replying to Basics, 6, #670 of 1969 🔗

This is very encouraging. Shows that saying no and having a community to stand by you actually works. We all know this anyway, but if people don’t comply en masse the whole thing will tumble like a pack of cards. Wonder if population of GM will take a similar stand. I certainly don’t know of anyone observing the single household rule.

199009 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Basics, 4, #671 of 1969 🔗

ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT, WE SHALL PREVAIL.

199148 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Basics, 2, #672 of 1969 🔗

Amazing news! Manchester next, Wales, Scotland, Ireland (and indeed the rest of the world – I’ve heard that gyms in Melbourne are now defying the state). It often needs the courage of a small group of people to get the ball rolling. People have victory indeed!

199173 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Basics, 5, #673 of 1969 🔗

This is how you do it!

We are many, they are few.

This is 357% double-plus good

199176 ▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #674 of 1969 🔗

(4 dislikes on Yoootoob vs 1.9K)

199201 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #675 of 1969 🔗

I notice you use the figure 357. The same as the .357 Magnum pistol. I wonder if this was a Freudian slip?

199290 ▶▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to RichardJames, 2, #676 of 1969 🔗

It’s easy to type and sounds nearly not made up enough when used in un-statistics that appear in some of my posts.

As we all know, we’re not allowed to own guns in this country (well, you are, but I don’t own any), but the police are allowed them when they go to gyms to intimidate people.

I suppose the easiest type of gun to get in this country would be a 12-bore shotgun – it would be useful in a few months when it can be used to shoot pigeons and other game in case we need something to eat. I doubt the police are granting licenses for those at the moment though.

Anyway, it would be useless against 7 armed police with machine guns, so I don’t think anyone should consider going down that route.

198907 JHuntz, replying to JHuntz, 7, #677 of 1969 🔗

Can I still see my partner and have sex? If you do not live together and are in Tier 2 you can still see each other outside, but No10 confirmed you cannot have sex or have physical contact.
But if one of you lives alone you can form a support bubble, in which case you can be as close as you like.

This is tier 2!!!

198913 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to JHuntz, 7, #678 of 1969 🔗

Honestly, a child could do better than make this shit up!

198917 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Janice21, 6, #679 of 1969 🔗

I agree and raise you, A child would get bored making this shit up.

198921 ▶▶▶▶ Janice21, replying to Basics, 7, #680 of 1969 🔗

Actually scrap that, a child wouldn’t have the twisted, evil, torturous mind to be able to make this shit up!

198938 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Janice21, 2, #681 of 1969 🔗

A fine point. Is evil educated into these once-upon-a-time children? How do these people forget values, it’s staggering.

198918 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to JHuntz, 3, #682 of 1969 🔗

In original lockdown it was ok if one of you paid as it was then ‘work ‘.

198961 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 4, #683 of 1969 🔗

One gives the other a 10p coin and you’re away.
And this work can be done at home, yay.

198919 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to JHuntz, 6, #684 of 1969 🔗

I suppose all our politicians and rulers will just fly off to Little St. James Island if they want to have sex then.

Anyone seen Prince Andrew recently?

198932 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to captainbeefheart, 5, #685 of 1969 🔗

This shit couldn’t have come at a better time for that leper.

198934 ▶▶ Julian, replying to JHuntz, 3, #686 of 1969 🔗

That’s nonsense – there has never been any law against physical contact that I am aware of. Distancing was always guidance. What there was/is is a law against meeting people indoors. Sex outdoors MAY be illegal if someone sees you and complains, but snogging isn’t. AFAIK.

198957 ▶▶ annie, replying to JHuntz, 3, #687 of 1969 🔗

It’s getting a bit chilly for passionate encounters in the park…

198916 Basics, 3, #688 of 1969 🔗

This is relevant to the Google search returns as shown above the line today.

US Department Of Justice’s antitrust suit against Google has been filed in federal court in Washington DC, here’s the complaint:

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/7273457/10-20-20-US-v-Google-Complaint.pdf

198920 Sylvie, 1, #689 of 1969 🔗

https://www.goviralgame.com/en/
Here’s a game for the pro or anti conspiracy theorists.

198924 Sceptic in Oxford, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 10, #690 of 1969 🔗

Lockdown impacts everyone; pro-lockdowners just don’t know it yet. Some more stats to enlighten them:

Mar- May 2020 >50,000 children in England had surgery postponed. There is now a backlog of children waiting >16 weeks ( source: Royal College of Paediatrics & Child Health )

Over 22,000 contacts made April-June to NSPCC helpline from adults with concerns for the wellbeing of a child, up 32% on monthly average for the three months prior to lockdown ( source: NSPCC )

Number of contacts to NSPCC helpline in May (8,287) was the highest number made in a single month on record ( source: NSPCC )

Mar-May 2020 – number of organ donors fell by 66% and number of transplants fell by 68% ( source: The Lancet /National Blood and Transplant Service )

RSPCA fears surge in abandoned animals after Google searches for “Puppies near me” increased 650% between January and July 2020 ( source: RSPCA )

Sept 2020, the public sector spent more money than it received in taxes and other income ( source: ONS )

198930 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 2, #691 of 1969 🔗

Pfffft. Stats. You can use stats to prove anything 🙂

198952 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 1, #692 of 1969 🔗

Halfway into lockdown a consultant from Great Ormond St Hospital reported child head trauma up by somethingteen (?)%.

199015 ▶▶▶ wayno, replying to karenovirus, #693 of 1969 🔗

i remember the article it was around 1300% will try and dig the article out.

200178 ▶▶ T inthecentre, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, #694 of 1969 🔗

People aren’t good at seeing the future, no matter how much it’s in their face.

198949 ▶▶ leggy, replying to chaos, 2, #696 of 1969 🔗

Pay wall – meh. Wanted to read that too!

198970 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to leggy, 1, #697 of 1969 🔗

Disable java script. It works

198995 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to leggy, 1, #698 of 1969 🔗

Hypothetically speaking, I wonder what would happen if you press ‘escape’ while the page is loading? I have no idea.

199032 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Sarigan, #699 of 1969 🔗

I think we all want to press’Escape’, but the key is jammed.

199075 ▶▶▶▶ DressageRider, replying to Sarigan, 1, #700 of 1969 🔗

Just press Esc twice, works for me every time.

199199 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Sarigan, #701 of 1969 🔗

or when you refresh the page and accidentally press esc immediately

198931 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 10, #702 of 1969 🔗

Tier 4 is coming. They’ll tie you up in front of the telly with BBC news on 24/7.

198935 ▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to nickbowes, 4, #703 of 1969 🔗

That’s just too horrible to contemplate

198939 Mrs issedoff, replying to Mrs issedoff, 10, #704 of 1969 🔗

How much time would I get for murder?, would it be much worse behind bars than in the land of the “free”?. I’m beginning to think that it would be worth it, just think of all the people who would love me, I would be hero worshipped for ever and given my own place in history. I really need to move my arse instead of sitting here day dreaming, I just have zero motivation and a heart full of hate.

198992 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Mrs issedoff, 4, #705 of 1969 🔗

I’m entertaining similar homicidal thoughts. The only thing stopping me is that I’m indecisive. Such a long list, where to start? 🙂

199227 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, #706 of 1969 🔗

Alphabetically would be best!

199155 ▶▶ Emily Tock, replying to Mrs issedoff, 1, #707 of 1969 🔗

I have whipped cream over poo pie plans for Tony Holohan, Ronan Glynn, and Stephen Donnelly over here in Ireland… Or a sentence of cleaning the toilets at Heuston station with their own toothbrushes in perpetuity.

198943 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 17, #708 of 1969 🔗

ITV This Morning

“Is your family struggling?”

No as a matter of fact we are really really enjoying it you supercilious cunts

Eamon Holmes coming over all bleeding heart for the victims of lockdown

He is on list and moving closer to the the top

And that cunt sat next to him

198947 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, 1, #709 of 1969 🔗

Thank goodness I don’t watch telly, that reminds me, Jeremy Vine is on the Radio in a bit.

198974 ▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to karenovirus, 2, #710 of 1969 🔗

Don’t do it…….

198975 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to karenovirus, 2, #711 of 1969 🔗

Neither do I, but our daughter has come to stay, and she puts it on

I have industrial ear pugs in, I am not joking

199059 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cecil B, 1, #712 of 1969 🔗

Cut off the plug on the tv. You know it makes sense …

198968 ▶▶ Julian, replying to alw, 4, #714 of 1969 🔗

TFL will need massive bailouts for the foreseeable future if they are to maintain current levels of service, and maintenance and improvements will start to slip. The whole of UK public transport is probably close to screwed unless things change.

199016 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Julian, 1, #715 of 1969 🔗

But don’t worry, the comrades are onto it. From the RMT union’s website:

RMT on reports tonight that Government are threatening a total takeover of TFL

RMT pledges all-out fight to protect pensions as Government line up savage cuts in TFL funding deal

I particularly like: “While we await official confirmation on the future funding arrangements for transport in the Capital RMT reiterates our position that we will not tolerate any attacks on jobs and conditions from any quarter as part of any deal. ‎ Any threat of cuts will be met by an industrial, political and public campaign of co-ordinated resistance.”

It might have looked better of them if they were putting up any , never mind a ‘co-ordinated’ resistance to the lockdown! To be fair, this is an acceleration of a process which pre-dates the Lockdowns but the whole public transport system is now in the toilet, as we all know, cheered on by the likes of the RMT although they don’t seem to be able to see this.

I get the RMT email updates because we have an interest in transport. I emailed them a couple of times in June when they were screaming for mandatory masks and only 2 people in a carriage (or something) asking why they were cheer-leading for the destruction of their industry. No reply. MW

199056 ▶▶▶▶ Paul, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 3, #716 of 1969 🔗

According to a railway publication national passenger levels are at their lowest for 170 years.

199229 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 1, #717 of 1969 🔗

Unions across the board have been shameful. Totally immersed in the plague narrative

199200 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Julian, 1, #718 of 1969 🔗

Not only that but the level of pay and pensions is grotesque as is the freedom pass which gives free travel to pensioners regardless of income.

If they’re in such dire straits then where did the money come from for their manipulative and bullying adverts?

199231 ▶▶ Will, replying to alw, 1, #719 of 1969 🔗

I could not care less. London voted for Khan so as far as I am concerned they have made their bed so they can lie in it.

198953 Mel, 14, #720 of 1969 🔗

If the landlady at my local pub (regular nominee for the best pub in yorkshire) goes out of business over this, the useless local MP better find herself a very good place to hide….

198960 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 97, #721 of 1969 🔗

Just had fun at the post office sending a red cross parcel of cheese and lollipops to the son in Poland.

Heard behind me the pharmacist say “either put your mask on right or take it off, no point wearing it like that”

Man said “but he’s not wearing one” – why is it always the 60-70 years old ones who want to question?

I turned round and said “what’s it got to do with you?”

Him “but the law says everyone must wear a mask”

Me ” are you an on-duty policeman?”

No

“Are you an on-duty CPSO?”

No

“Are you an EHO officer of the council”

“No I’m a pensioner”

“Then you have no legal right to ask me under the law”

Pharmacist ” but I do” -it’s one of those village ones with Post Office and pharmacist in one.

Me “no you don’t”

“But the guidance…”

“Guidance is not law, not enforceable. Why do the big shops tell there staff not to challenge anyone about this? You can receive a big fine”

“OH”

Man shuts up, pharmacist goes off.

As I’m walking out I go put o the mana nd ask “do you believe and trust doctors?”

He goes “yes”

“You know the BMA?”

“Yes”

“Trust them?”

“Yes”

“Then you will believe me when I say they put it in writing to me that they have no evidence masks work then won’t you?”

He says “I can tell you’re a labour man”

Me: Half right, I’m a man thats questioning not a sheep who just bleats like you”

Leave shop with him standing spluttering behind me.

Wife says I’m not to be trusted out alone anymore.

198971 ▶▶ Tommo, replying to Awkward Git, 23, #722 of 1969 🔗

Your anecdotes are a constant source of amusement to me! Please keep sharing. You are an inspiration to us all.

198973 ▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Awkward Git, 11, #723 of 1969 🔗

“Wife says I’m not to be trusted out alone anymore”.

I think my wife must know my wife…..!

198978 ▶▶ steph, replying to Awkward Git, 11, #724 of 1969 🔗

I’m nowhere near brave enough to take them on. You are inspiring me though – I may just start going out a bit more. ⭐️ and 🥇 should be heaped on Mr Git.

199174 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to steph, 6, #725 of 1969 🔗

Just been to Specsavers appointment to order new glasses. I was the only one with a face showing in the whole place but they didn’t challenge me at all. No questions at all. Staff wear masks, blue gloves to type on their keyboards (no germs there?) and plastic aprons – absurd and unnerving experience.

199190 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Marialta, 5, #726 of 1969 🔗

It is cleaner and safer (by FAR) to lick your toilet bowl than to lick your fingers after you have used a computer keyboard for half an hour. Keyboards are the dirtiest objects in your home.

When we used to clean keyboards in the shop where I used to work as a computer technician, we used to call the staff over to look at particularly nasty examples and say “See that black stuff on the keys? Do you know what it is?” When they said no, we used to tell them (the truth) “It’s body fats mixed with bacteria!”

How we laughed as they looked at us in horror; AND WE NEVER WORE FACE MASKS OR GLOVES while we cleaned the keyboards, either. We did use pure Isopropyl Alcohol, though.

199258 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to RichardJames, 3, #727 of 1969 🔗

I binnn uussng purrr eye so, eyesur proply al… alko…alkrol all day. Hic.

199014 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #728 of 1969 🔗

Great stuff!

199080 ▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to Awkward Git, 11, #729 of 1969 🔗

Love it! I was quite obstreperous in a club yesterday. Refused to give mobile number or driver’s licence. Receptionist insisted I renew my membership despite my card being current (2020). So had to fill in 2 pages of paperwork even though they had my details. There was a queue out the door. It was quite empowering standing my ground.

199303 ▶▶▶ Digital Nomad, replying to Girl down Under, 8, #730 of 1969 🔗

Bravo! The modus operandi I suggest from hereon:

  1. refuse to wear a mask
  2. claim you don’t own a mobile
  3. insist on paying with cash

Stand your ground on all three. The worm is turning and we’re not alone any more. Even The Telegraph has published an unabashedly sceptic piece on its website today.

199960 ▶▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Digital Nomad, #731 of 1969 🔗

“Even The Telegraph has published an unabashedly sceptic piece on its website today” Then they’ll go and spoil it all tomorrow….

199085 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #732 of 1969 🔗

We’re not worthy!

199092 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #733 of 1969 🔗

Just printing up the laworfiction exemptions toolkit, a bit from their face coverings legislation update about risk assessments for the pharmacist and the Tesco risks assessment where it advises staff not to challenge people.

Will drop it in next time I’m passing “to keep her out of trouble have some interesting reading”.

199263 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #734 of 1969 🔗

I carry the law or fiction material whenever I go to the shops, but haven’t needed to show it yet. I’m off to Lidl shortly which is usually fine.

199302 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Edward, 2, #735 of 1969 🔗

You shouldn’t show anything. A simple claim of exemption should be sufficient.

199119 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #736 of 1969 🔗

Sadly I feel the rage coming up and I prefer to keep my responses short and walk away.

199120 ▶▶ Telpin, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #737 of 1969 🔗

You are our mascot AG!! Made me laugh out loud

199203 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #738 of 1969 🔗

Well done!!!

199225 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #739 of 1969 🔗

Live long and prosper AG.

199662 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #740 of 1969 🔗

Mrs Two-Six won’t let me go out alone. Seriously.

199880 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #741 of 1969 🔗

Brilliant!

We were walking along a canal and an old bloke came towards us with a mask under his chin, smoking a fag.

I asked him, Which is doing you most harm, your mask or your fag?

His reply, Not as much as your gob

Me, Thanks for that, darlin’

Sad and confused (him not me!) MW

199072 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #743 of 1969 🔗

Just noticed Toby has covered this, sorry. Came straight to comments.

199223 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Sam Vimes, #744 of 1969 🔗

Comments mostly against it

198969 Mike Bear, 7, #745 of 1969 🔗

Everything that many of us have been saying about Lockdown is here:

https://worlddoctorsalliance.com/?utm_source=phplist314&utm_medium=email&utm_content=HTML&utm_campaign=OPEN+LETTER+TO+THE+UK+GOVERNMENT+FROM+THE+WORLD+DOCTORS+ALLIANCE

In particular much of it is what I, a completely medically untrained individual have been saying for the past few weeks and applies, IMO, to the continuing “local lockdowns”

We now have hundreds of thousands of so-called ‘cases’, ‘infections’ and ‘positive tests’ but hardly any sick people. Recall that four fifths (80%) of ‘infections’ are asymptomatic (1) Covid wards have been by and large empty throughout June, July, August and September 2020. Most importantly covid deaths are at an all-time low. It is clear that these ‘cases’ are in fact not ‘cases’ but rather they are normal healthy people.

The basis for lockdown was a mathematical model by Professor Neil Ferguson. His modelling which predicted half a million deaths in the UK has been roundly condemned as being not fit for purpose. His estimated death figures were clearly wrong by a factor of 10 or 12 times.

  • The entire nation was essentially placed under house arrest. We have never isolated the healthy before.
  • Isolating the sick and those who are immunocompromised makes sense. Isolating the healthy has hampered the establishment of herd immunity and makes no sense.

All from what, IMO , may be termed reliable sources. Look at the list of “references”

198980 Caramel, replying to Caramel, 3, #746 of 1969 🔗

The latest post circulating on social media for supporters of the mad strategy here in Victoria.

‘On the same day Victoria recorded 723 cases back in July. Today as Victoria records 1, the UK recorded 15,650. Don’t ever let the people who called for the end of lockdown forget this.’

*bangs head*

198987 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Caramel, 8, #747 of 1969 🔗

The monomania is astonishing. We’re seeing a lot of psychopathologies play out through this sorry mess.

198989 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Caramel, 4, #748 of 1969 🔗

It’s a cult, they will go to their graves believing

Drink the Kool Aid

199054 ▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Caramel, 4, #749 of 1969 🔗

It’s because these dumb turds have no concept of what a ‘case’ is….

199158 ▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to Caramel, 3, #750 of 1969 🔗

The blind ignorance and acceptance of everything they are being told by the government and msm is nothing short of amazing. How that man has not been dragged out into the street and given what for by hordes of rampaging crowds is amazing. Tonight, ‘public outrage’ over his decision to allow horse trainers and owners at the Cox Plate on Saturday forced him to reverse that decision. I fear too many residents in Vic have become ‘Stepfords’.

198982 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 6, #751 of 1969 🔗

The pig chancellor cannot find five million for the people of Manchester

Yet he bungs the Baroness Dildo of Chumocracy 12.5 billion to spread amongst Tory party donors

199036 ▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Cecil B, 11, #752 of 1969 🔗

If Burnham really does have the people of Manchester’s best interests at heart, then he should instruct his police ‘farce’ not to enforce any of the restrictions imposed by Johnson et al.

199043 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to T. Prince, 4, #753 of 1969 🔗

Hopefully he will. A step closer to civil war

198983 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 4, #754 of 1969 🔗

I’m considering joining the protest in London this weekend but I’m not sure this whole ‘register in advance’ thing is a good idea.

https://uniteforfreedom.uk/we-have-the-power/

I don’t doubt the organizers, but websites can be hacked and I’d be surprised if the security services weren’t already working on it.

198988 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to mattghg, 3, #755 of 1969 🔗

Oh yes, if you add your name they will open a file on you

Wouldn’t be too surprised if it’s being put together by them so they can harvest the data of dissidents

199000 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Cecil B, #756 of 1969 🔗

I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic…?

199038 ▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to mattghg, 3, #757 of 1969 🔗

No I’m not. If you want to find out who the dissidents are set up a protest group. The dissidents will then send the authorities their details

Been done loads of times before

199123 ▶▶▶▶ Jo, replying to mattghg, #758 of 1969 🔗

I used to be an occasional animal rights protester – low key, standing outside (animal) circuses with banner etc. Once I went to an ALF meeting – just the once (and I could tell you some interesting things but not the forum here) and I had my phone tapped (landline) and police came several times sitting outside my door, and just left when I approached them.

199041 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Cecil B, 1, #759 of 1969 🔗

Big tech will have all our details already if we have posted on Facebook etc. All these companies are linked if you upset YouTube you will often suddenly find you are off Facebook, Twitter and even Paypal. Always best to have a spare email address with a different provider for registering for events / causes the tech gods / establishment might not approve of. Complete control – 1984 style. https://www.bitchute.com/video/Fo9H2EVFnx8j/

199131 ▶▶▶▶ muzzle, replying to Darryl, 1, #760 of 1969 🔗

I wonder how long it will be before your email address has to be properly linked to your real world identity. I bet politicians have discuss that one from time to time.

199005 ▶▶ calchas, replying to mattghg, 3, #761 of 1969 🔗

Registering in advance to join a protes ?????

Are you frickin’ joking?

199007 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to mattghg, #762 of 1969 🔗

You don’t need to register in advance. The protest location is confirmed as Hyde Park – Speakers Corner. It will be a march only.

199010 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Darryl, #763 of 1969 🔗

That was last saturday

199021 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #764 of 1969 🔗

They talked about it on a live broadcast last night – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuCEOdpXTVw

199066 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Darryl, #765 of 1969 🔗

Thanks Darryl. Hyde Park it is!

199084 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Nick Rose, 6, #766 of 1969 🔗

Not quite sure why Save Our Rights seem to think they will get good cop this Saturday. All depends on the mood of the tyrants on the day. Black Lives Matter had a big London protest yesterday with Community Support Officer policing – but we all realise policing and the justice system is 100% political now.

199361 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Darryl, #767 of 1969 🔗

As they said, it’s harder to corral your troops when they don’t know where you’re marching to. They pulled a couple of flankers last week.

199011 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to mattghg, 1, #768 of 1969 🔗

You only need name and email addy. I used burners. I agree, mostly because it now means taking my smartphone with me rather than my burner. I don’t take the smartphone to make it harder for the police to identify me if arrested.

They have done this because of police behaviour recently, so not exactly expecting a friendly police response.

199046 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to mattghg, #769 of 1969 🔗

I’d be surprised if GCHQ didn’t have full access already. Ffs, what do we pay them for ? 🙂

198990 Nick Rose, 6, #770 of 1969 🔗

To the tune of Colonel Bogey:

Whitty has only got one ball,
Vallance has two though very small.
Hancock wears a cock lock,
But daft old Boris has no balls at all…

198991 Ricky R, replying to Ricky R, 18, #771 of 1969 🔗

Just gone for breakfast at the uni canteen with my housemate and a member of university catering staff harassed me at the door for not having the NHS app. I told her my phone was out of charge so I wanted to fill in the paper form (with a fake number) and she had a go because getting the app is important for “everyone’s safety including yours” and that soon they will be doing away with paper track and trace and going app only. I repeated that my phone was out of charge and she said “these excuses aren’t relevant anymore you need the track and trace app at all times”. Shrugged her off and went to go get my breakfast where she told the next person coming in about how rude people are to her about the track and trace system and how she appreciated their cooperation. All I said to her was “I’m sorry my phone is out of charge”.

Does anyone have a link to the fake app that was on here a few weeks ago??

198994 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Ricky R, 23, #772 of 1969 🔗

What? they got fucking scientists working in the canteen now

Tell her to fuck off

198999 ▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Cecil B, 11, #773 of 1969 🔗

I second Cecil’s expert assessment that this stupid pillock should be told to fuck off.

198997 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Ricky R, 6, #774 of 1969 🔗

They might as well just tattoo a barcode on your head and be done with it.

199028 ▶▶▶ Steve, replying to captainbeefheart, 3, #775 of 1969 🔗

That will come all too soon.

199177 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #776 of 1969 🔗

That’s coming with the luciferase containing vaccine.

199001 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Ricky R, 5, #777 of 1969 🔗

How much are you paying for this wonderful treatment again?

199025 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Achilles, 9, #778 of 1969 🔗

After you tell her to fuck off, remind her that you pay her wages

199027 ▶▶▶ Ricky R, replying to Achilles, 12, #779 of 1969 🔗

Too much honestly, but the £3 Full English was worth the hassle. All other staff friendly and accommodating. The actual staff member serving me was very grateful to have us there saying its being empty all week.

199029 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Ricky R, 9, #780 of 1969 🔗

What an ignorant woman. Ask her if she can afford to keep having 2 weeks off when the app tells her to self isolate. Fuckwits.

199042 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Ricky R, 5, #781 of 1969 🔗

Take money out of you wallet (so make sure you have cash). Wave it in her face and ask repeatedly “Do you want my money or not?”

You’ll soon see her change. Doesn’t matter if she thinks you’re rude. People have died because of this idiocy

199051 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to mhcp, 5, #782 of 1969 🔗

If she says Yes. Say well go fuck yourself I’ll spend it elsewhere

199121 ▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Cecil B, 1, #783 of 1969 🔗

The Les Grossman approach

199114 ▶▶ Telpin, replying to Ricky R, 11, #784 of 1969 🔗

Pretty sure it’s illegal to require you to downloads the app- offering you the option of giving paper details was I think the only way they could get it past legal restrictions under Data Protection rules. Perhaps you could report this to the Information Commissioner

199128 ▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to Ricky R, 2, #785 of 1969 🔗

Remind her of how much you are paying to keep her in a job; it’s scandalous how students are being treated.

199175 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Ricky R, #786 of 1969 🔗

curious.. the link was covid1984.life but it seems to be down
See comments on previous pages
these comments do include some links so you may still be able to get it on your phone

199017 2 pence, 1, #787 of 1969 🔗
199018 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 2, #788 of 1969 🔗

Spoke to my cousin in Melbourne and he sent me this:

https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6203427308001

He said that shopkeepers are committing suicide daily.

199045 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Sarigan, #789 of 1969 🔗

No link.

199057 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Awkward Git, 8, #790 of 1969 🔗

T’is there now.

He also feels this way:

Consistently getting single figure case numbers but full lockdown and PPE wearing mandatory.

Sydney on the other hand have 10-30 per day.
But control them with proper contact tracing and mandatory isolation if infected or in contact with an infected person.

Their economy back up and running – people living their lives as if Covid didn’t exist.
Our premier is a megalomaniac and needs to be assassinated.

199060 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Sarigan, #791 of 1969 🔗

Still no link. MW

199680 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Sarigan, #793 of 1969 🔗

Ta! MW

199068 ▶▶ Caramel, replying to Sarigan, 1, #794 of 1969 🔗

That bad? They told us a couple of months ago that suicide rates have been normal.

199077 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Caramel, 2, #795 of 1969 🔗

I have asked him for sources. Feel so bad for you guys there. Not great here but beyond human there.

199125 ▶▶▶▶ Caramel, replying to Sarigan, 1, #796 of 1969 🔗

Thank you. It’s so bad that I even sometimes get a twinge of jealousy that you guys don’t have to wear a mask everywhere, can eat in at a restaurant, and go to shops that aren’t supermarkets.

199184 ▶▶▶▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to Caramel, 3, #797 of 1969 🔗

I really feel for you Caramel. How anyone cannot be questioning the ravings of this madman is beyond me. It must be so much worse for those like you who have better informed themselves. I honestly would feel like I was going mad.

199235 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Caramel, replying to Girl down Under, #798 of 1969 🔗

I appreciate that. It’s hard to relate to those here who support it all.

200181 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ T inthecentre, replying to Caramel, #799 of 1969 🔗

Hey Caramel. I really feel for you. I was always get a twinge of anxiety when I have to wear one. I have a history of depression and it’s something that always pulls me back into an uncomfortable place. Must be horrible to have to wear one all the time. I’m sorry.

199106 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Caramel, 6, #800 of 1969 🔗

I heard a few days ago (from a self-harm network??) that the suicide figures aren’t going to be released (UK) until July 2021. Not confirmed. But there have been 4 of people I know of in my local area and just heard of the 5th this morning. I know it’s only anecdotal, but save when I worked at Broadmoor, it’s rare to hear of someone local killing themselves

199152 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Jo, 2, #801 of 1969 🔗

There is always a massive lag before officisl suicide figures are confirmed. Always at least a year behind I think it is partly to do with the need for inquests. But this year I suspect they will be motivated to delay as long as possible.

199260 ▶▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #802 of 1969 🔗

That’s true. Some years ago a former neighbour of mine was found dead in his house. There were early suspicions of foul play but police ruled this out after about a week. The inquest took place more than six months later and came to a verdict of accidental death (hence not suicide).

199165 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Sarigan, #803 of 1969 🔗

Does he think Melbourne is being subjected to all this by this coincidence:

http://www.influenzacentre.org

My friend in Rosedale does.

199019 Mark, replying to Mark, #804 of 1969 🔗

The fantasies of the woke left – struggle sessions for Republican supporters. In this country there is no mainstream conservative party to punish in this way, but “Conservatives” and supporters of dissident parties will probably do, faute de mieux.

Tucker: The left gets ready for a post-Trump world

199094 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Mark, #805 of 1969 🔗

Not really fantasies – probable scenarios if Biden wins.

It is scandalous that our state funded broadcaster, the BBC, is doing everything in its power to overthrow Trump while ignoring Biden’s gross corruption and the Marxist objectives of the Far Left Dems.

199129 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to OKUK, 1, #806 of 1969 🔗

C4 (another state broadcaster) showed this the other day

Trump’s Coronavirus Catastrophe
As America prepares to go to the polls, Matt Frei – with extensive insider access – investigates President Trump’s performance during a pandemic that has cost over 200,000 American lives

Blatant propaganda, especially as a lot of the response was in the hands of the CDC and of state governments, and the blue states came out way worse

199031 RickH, replying to RickH, 11, #808 of 1969 🔗

I’m second to no-one in my admiration of the work done by the CEBM. But I’d question Jason Oke’s comment :

older people who would normally be dying of flu and pneumonia at this time of year are dying of Covid instead.”

We are in this mess of confusion about the attribution of a cause for death. It is amazing that, seven months in, we still do not know what is the actual effect of the SARS-CoV-2 virus on mortality. The apparent drop in deaths attributed to other causes should ring alarm bells about what is actually happening in terms of attribution.

199034 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to RickH, 2, #809 of 1969 🔗

I think this is irony on Jason’s part.

199047 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Basileus, #810 of 1969 🔗

Possibly. Perhaps I’m losing my sense of humour. 🙂

199058 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Basileus, #811 of 1969 🔗

You may be right but it puzzled us as well so any ‘normie’ reading it may well believe it. (Like Rick H, maybe we’ve lost our sense of humour too!) MW

199112 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, #812 of 1969 🔗

I read it as those who were terribly fragile are passing on as they always do, with the help of a virus. Which one of the many pathogens matters not a jot. There is nothing extraordinary going on. But I appreciate that I am processing that through my sceptic brain

199658 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Basileus, #813 of 1969 🔗

Agreed; Jason is very much a sceptic from what I read in his writings.

199063 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to RickH, 2, #814 of 1969 🔗

Old people who die of respiratory disease have an average of 14 pathogens in their lungs. The likelihood is they will test positive for Covid. But the big change is we have gone from a huge number of excess deaths in April/May to hardly any now. That tells you I think that Covid has gone from being a prime cause of death (because it was so novel) to being just another co factor along with all the other pathogens.

199107 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to RickH, 1, #815 of 1969 🔗

COVID -19 has muscled influenza out of the way. 2020 is the year of the Coronavirus, he may retreat in 2021 subject to the almighty vaccination.

199351 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to RickH, #816 of 1969 🔗

We’re looking for Covid, but not for anything else.

199037 Ruth Sharpe, replying to Ruth Sharpe, 12, #817 of 1969 🔗

This has all gone on too far & with the continuing lockdowns, we are beyond the point of no return.

At worse, we are facing the breakdown of society as we know it. Better to accept that and deal with it, kick back where you can, but better to think we are now on our own, with no safety net & move forward accordingly.

199048 ▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Ruth Sharpe, 4, #818 of 1969 🔗

Unfortunately, I have felt that way for some time. There is NO ONE on our side that can do anything about it

199089 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to T. Prince, 1, #819 of 1969 🔗

Saw twitter post – Mike Yeadon is about to give up too.

199099 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Ruth Sharpe, 4, #820 of 1969 🔗

Perhaps we will have to form our own communities in which we follow the old ways, similar to Mormons?

199105 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #821 of 1969 🔗

Thr two strategies arenot mutually exclusive.

  1. Parallel communities where people are able to live human lives.
  2. Struggle for truth.

Indeed the first supports the second by its very exemplary effect.

199109 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to calchas, 4, #822 of 1969 🔗

Giving up, because one feels the struggle is hopeless, leads to a self-fulfilling prophecy.

199124 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Charlie Blue, 6, #823 of 1969 🔗

Yep – can we all chip in and buy Rutland? Sure there would still be plenty of room for all of us.

199141 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to CGL, 2, #824 of 1969 🔗

Completely up for that. Had previously fantasised that we could take over a cruise ship on a temporary basis but a longer term plan is needed. My dogs would love Rutland.

199641 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to CGL, 1, #825 of 1969 🔗

I don’t think ordinary people can live in Rutland. You have to be in the illuminati.

199102 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Ruth Sharpe, 9, #826 of 1969 🔗

I agree there is no way back now. All we can do now is work to make sure what they have planned for us cannot occur and that these crimes are continuously documented so they can be prosecuted when we manage to create suitable court system.

Otherwise we need to prepare for rebuilding in the aftermath for example – look into off grid living(growing food, power generation, storage, water purification, waste management, etc), start trying to produce and trade outside of the existing financial system using alternative means of exchange such as precious metals and cryptocurrency ideally you want to create a closed loop that can survive as they withdraw access to the current currency and financial system from us, gradually build stocks of food and essentials in such a way as to not waste anything and or create huge swings in demand when it becomes popular. Buy a bit more or things that last, rotate your stock, give surplus to people in need while its still useful and maintain this until the collapse makes it impossible.

Time is rapidly running out but we really need to start thinking about the essentials of survival and how we might be able to contribute to the society that exists post collapse. If we just sit around waiting to be saved we will be killed or enslaved into a system so evil that our minds are not able currently to imagine.

199137 ▶▶ merlin, replying to Ruth Sharpe, 15, #827 of 1969 🔗

I sense the public mood is changing very quickly, much quicker than I had thought possible. I have had messages from two friends today who have finally woken up to the covid bullshit. One of them had just come back from a hospital appointment( in a ‘high’ infection area but hospital dead quiet)

Both of them are normally mild mannered, but are angrier than i’ve ever seen them.

The truth will win . Stay strong.

199144 ▶▶▶ Ricky R, replying to merlin, 9, #828 of 1969 🔗

Similar experience here. Just heard from a zealot friend who just got their cancer screening results back 9 months after the scans were done. It was one sentence sent in a letter. They said “It’s ridiculous they only care about Covid so they’re buggering everyone else”. Gives me hope.

199081 ▶▶ Will, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #830 of 1969 🔗

And some twats say Australia’s covid response has been a success. Unbelievable.

199172 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #831 of 1969 🔗

Jesus. That’s beyond criminal.

199206 ▶▶ CapLlam, replying to Tom Blackburn, #832 of 1969 🔗

That’s disgusting, those poor little babies. My heart breaks for them

199055 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 1, #833 of 1969 🔗

Looks like Christmas in Bulgaria then

199074 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Cecil B, 12, #834 of 1969 🔗

Well – you’ve got plenty of Turkey on your doorstep.

Sorry – couln’t resist.

199095 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to calchas, 3, #835 of 1969 🔗

You are forgiven

199067 Telpin, replying to Telpin, 22, #836 of 1969 🔗

Update on my daughter’s self isolation in her box room at Uni.

D Day is tomorrow- it’s actually Friday but they’re treating it as 12am Thursday. On the stroke of midnight She and 2 others in the ‘household’ are going to run outside and run about the city a bit. She has a bottle of champagne saved from her 18th – so no doubt there’ll be twitching curtains and cry’s of how those ‘young uns are spreading the deadly virus’ . I repeat – not a single person out of the household has had any symptoms at all – all this is on the back of a positive test that a male student had to undergo in order to be able to play in the hockey team. No doubt a false positive.

Last night one of the household( in corridor coming back from the toilet) spotted the junior dean who lives in the building listening at the doors ( no doubt to try and hear if anyone had someone else in their room). Stasi doesn’t cover it.

She’s had some very dark moments ( including at one point having a near asthma attack at 1 am but without access to her inhalers for relief as she hadn’t been able to get a repeat inhaler ( due to isolation) and was too scared to call 111 as she was terrified of having to have a CoVid test and she couldn’t face a possible positive and starting the whole thing again. She was literally more terrified of this than anything else (this is how insane the whole situation has become). I had to be on the other end of the phone calming her down as I knew it was the stress that was causing her chest to feel so tight. But it felt real and scary for her ( and hugely upsetting for me).

But she’s buoyed up today as it’s the penultimate day and because many in the building have been leaving little treats and supportive notes outside her door. She also has a care parcel due to arrive later today from her Mamgu ( welsh for gran) with welsh cakes, chocolate lollipops and buttons, vitamins D and Zinc and… an orange! 0‘r galon ( Anne will understand that one)

199097 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Telpin, 3, #837 of 1969 🔗

Go for it.

199104 ▶▶ annie, replying to Telpin, 1, #838 of 1969 🔗

Daliwch ati!

199135 ▶▶▶ Telpin, replying to annie, 1, #839 of 1969 🔗

Daliwch i ymladd!

199138 ▶▶▶ Telpin, replying to annie, #840 of 1969 🔗

And sorry for misspelling your name – mum mum insists on the ‘e’

199136 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Telpin, 2, #841 of 1969 🔗

Re the issue with repeat prescriptions for inhalers, I had the same problem (with a pharmacy I’ve been using for many years). Eventually I just looked online and bought two ventolin inhalers for about seven quid each, delivered next day. Whole process took me two minutes, maybe less.

199145 ▶▶▶ Telpin, replying to Liam, 1, #842 of 1969 🔗

Good to know as she keeps forgetting to order in advance. But the problem here was collection and the ridiculous restrictions of self isolation unless you have someone who can collect everything for you. The accommodation block she ‘a imprisoned in doesn’t receive post so the post has to go to the college lodge.

199221 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Telpin, #843 of 1969 🔗

I hope they enjoy the midnight festivities. Good luck to your daughter and her pals.

199656 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Telpin, 2, #844 of 1969 🔗

…spotted the junior dean who lives in the building listening at the doors…

Dirty old pervert! I know what he was listening for. 😉

199069 Crazy Times, replying to Crazy Times, 37, #845 of 1969 🔗

Wife tells me people on the local area Facebook group are trying to get the council to mandate mask wearing anywhere outside (in the fresh air) within the area of the village. WTF is wrong with these people?

199090 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Crazy Times, 15, #846 of 1969 🔗

It’s a cult. They want recruits

199122 ▶▶ SmokeandMirrors, replying to Crazy Times, 2, #847 of 1969 🔗

Living out their ‘Doctors and Nurses’ fantasy.
Going back to their childhood and having a really lovely time.

199163 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Crazy Times, 6, #848 of 1969 🔗

They want people to be forced into misery and hide behind the big council. They should go into the street of the village and hand out masks, trying to convince rather than mandate. And also suffer the consequences.

Such people have no skin in the game.

199194 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Crazy Times, 9, #849 of 1969 🔗

They are mentally ill and should be locked up.

199251 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Crazy Times, 3, #850 of 1969 🔗

Apart from the lunacy of the proposal, it’s not within a council’s powers to impose such a mandate.

199634 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Crazy Times, 1, #851 of 1969 🔗

Crazy Crazy fools.

199071 Sarigan, 14, #852 of 1969 🔗

Further to the disappearance of the Preprint mask paper, I wrote to the author who has replied:

“Research Gate removed it. We’ll have a different venue for it soon I think.”

I will post if updated

199076 Tommo, replying to Tommo, 58, #853 of 1969 🔗

What’s wrong with me? I’m not wearing a mask. I’m not sanitising my hands. I’m meeting with friends and families – hugging them, shaking hands. I work inside in a room with no ventilation and mix with the general public, i.e. my clients. And I still can’t catch this damn virus which is spreading all around the country. I’m trying really hard, but I just keep feeling healthy.

199083 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Tommo, 34, #854 of 1969 🔗

As far as I am aware, feeling healthy is one of the main symptoms.

199087 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Tommo, 15, #855 of 1969 🔗

That just show how incredibly dangerous this virus is. With normal viruses you feel unwell, but this one is so sneaky.

199091 ▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to Tommo, 9, #856 of 1969 🔗

I think you must be terribly ill! Only the test can tell 😊

199093 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Tommo, 8, #857 of 1969 🔗

You are doing the right thing: get as much exposure as possible and let your immune system do the rest.

199126 ▶▶ Proudtobeapeasant, replying to Tommo, 9, #858 of 1969 🔗

How about visiting a hospital? That might do the trick.

199127 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Tommo, 11, #859 of 1969 🔗

you are clearly infected but asymptomatic.. and because of your reckless behaviour you are going to kill my grandma who is only 113.

mjr age 11

199339 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to mjr, 3, #860 of 1969 🔗

Why aren’t you in school?

199134 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Tommo, 3, #861 of 1969 🔗

Yes,because both your body and especially your brain is active and healthy.

199226 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Tommo, 6, #862 of 1969 🔗

Can I just ask? Have you been leaving the pub by 10pm? If so that might well be why you’ve survived.

199338 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Tommo, 1, #863 of 1969 🔗

You must be mixing with the wrong sorts of people then

199411 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Tommo, 1, #864 of 1969 🔗

Because your sitting down and it’s before 22:00 stupid. Don’t you know this virus is very intelligent!

200033 ▶▶ T inthecentre, replying to Tommo, 1, #865 of 1969 🔗

I’m not having much luck either. Maskless cinema on opening day for Tenet (BFI IMAX the one place that still sells out during a pandemic), maskless public transport everyday, occasional trips to the pub (where I drink without a mask) with other people, working with 40/50 people where we share kit and are too busy to wash our hands, it’s like it might not be as serious we’ve been told… like that apocalypse that didn’t quite happen after we voted to leave the EU.

199098 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 11, #867 of 1969 🔗

From this months Viz

199168 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Two-Six, 2, #868 of 1969 🔗

Sums it up.

199169 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Two-Six, 2, #869 of 1969 🔗

My stash of viz books is keeping me going at the moment. Essential toilet humour to read on the toilet

199250 ▶▶ anon, replying to Two-Six, 2, #870 of 1969 🔗

needed a laugh. thanks!

199103 Basics, replying to Basics, 8, #871 of 1969 🔗
199193 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Basics, #872 of 1969 🔗

Just brilliant. The efforts of this man and his associates demonstrate exactly why we shouldn’t give up. We win some, we lose some, but we must stand firm wherever we can.

199108 Paul, 6, #873 of 1969 🔗

The blind acquiescence of the public reminds me of this I saw years ago,

199111 Nobody2020, 3, #874 of 1969 🔗

Imagine a world where we are able to keep people alive for a very long time using synthentic and artificial means using drugs, medicine or whatever. Wouldn’t that be great.

Now imagine if something was to happen and all our technology stopped working and there was no way to manufacture the drugs keeping us all alive…

199113 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 1, #875 of 1969 🔗
199215 ▶▶ Andy C, replying to Sarigan, 5, #876 of 1969 🔗

I don’t know why people are so upset about C19 if it’s miraculously cured flu, cancer, dementia and all of those other diseases.

199140 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #877 of 1969 🔗

If I said that I was suffering with Peruvian tortoise fever, do you think that the “experts and advisers” would recommend a nationwide lockdown?

199146 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Fingerache Philip., 12, #878 of 1969 🔗

Yes, but it would be a very sllooowwwww lockdown

199151 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to stefarm, 2, #879 of 1969 🔗

They can’t take our sense of humour away, can they?

199407 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Fingerache Philip., #880 of 1969 🔗

Only very slowly,

199157 ▶▶▶ Telpin, replying to stefarm, 1, #881 of 1969 🔗

Is that what passes for humour now? We’re doomed!! 🤪 only joking – please keep trying to find the funny side.

199160 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Telpin, 1, #882 of 1969 🔗

Until it is banned it is 🤭

199166 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to stefarm, 1, #883 of 1969 🔗

Told you before, don’t give them ideas.

199197 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to stefarm, #884 of 1969 🔗

So pretty much what we’re going through?

199296 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #885 of 1969 🔗

no – it would be put down to a new symptom of long covid

199142 calchas, replying to calchas, 2, #886 of 1969 🔗

Latest from ONS re. suicides.

“All deaths caused by suicide in England are investigated by coroners. Given the length of time it takes to hold an inquest (around five months), we do not currently know the total number of suicides that occurred during the coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic.”

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/quarterlysuicidedeathregistrationsinengland/2001to2019registrationsandquarter1jantomartoquarter2aprtojune2020provisionaldata

As an aside, note that the quote refers to the ‘pandemic’ as if it is over.

199149 ▶▶ calchas, replying to calchas, 1, #887 of 1969 🔗

To wit:

“that occurred during”

instead of:

“that have occurred during”

199159 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to calchas, 1, #888 of 1969 🔗

I’ll bet they’ve got a fair idea, though.

199238 ▶▶ Jenny, replying to calchas, 3, #889 of 1969 🔗

When I first read this I read “coroners” in my head pronounced more or less as “coronas” – need to step back from the COVID reading I think!

199298 ▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Jenny, #890 of 1969 🔗

Don’t you know the virus is everywhere??? You can’t escape it! I’ve done the same thing.

199331 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to calchas, #891 of 1969 🔗

Well it is over, bar the shouting.

199143 Humanity First, replying to Humanity First, 8, #892 of 1969 🔗

I really do appreciate all Toby’s efforts with this blog

BUT why is the person overseeing a deliberate and controlled demolition of the society, culture and economy of this great country being referred to as a “clown” (and the consistent pushing of the ‘incompetence’ theme)?

199161 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Humanity First, 6, #893 of 1969 🔗

In my opinion, although I not subscribe to the incompetence theme, I think it is tactically better for Toby to take the approach that he does.

I am not claiming that that is how he sees it.

199162 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to calchas, 3, #894 of 1969 🔗

We need people coming atthis from all angles.

Dare I say it:

“Diversity is our strength”

199180 ▶▶▶▶ Humanity First, replying to calchas, #895 of 1969 🔗

Fair enough…but credibility is in danger of being strained to breaking point when evil destroyers of lives, livelihoods and nations are assessed as being clowns/buffoons/incompetents…

199181 ▶▶ l835, replying to Humanity First, #896 of 1969 🔗

Because he’s not even doing that properly.

199182 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Humanity First, 5, #897 of 1969 🔗

Errrr…. because he is incompetent? After so many blathering press conference performances the clown moniker seems pretty apt to me.

199212 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 2, #898 of 1969 🔗

To decide whether someone is incompetent are not you must first know what they are trying to do.

199330 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Humanity First, #899 of 1969 🔗

the problem is we now have moved into a competent handling of the incompetence-hence gradual lockdown in the UK through to the end of November then a lifting as per July before Christmas- then maybe another Eat out to help out exercise in January to resume the lockdowns

199147 Chloe, replying to Chloe, 52, #900 of 1969 🔗

I know it’s off topic, but I’ve been lurking here for months, and I wanted to say how supportive I find this growing community. We are lucky to have a safe place to discuss our views without excessive moderation and being shamed for having alternative opinions. Thanks to you all!

199153 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Chloe, 7, #901 of 1969 🔗

Great to have you here Chloe and looking forward to your contributions.

199191 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Chloe, #902 of 1969 🔗

Hi Chloe 🌝

199204 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to Chloe, 4, #903 of 1969 🔗

Hello Chloe. I feel exactly the same way. This forum is really helping me get through this.

Welcome 🙂

199209 ▶▶ Andy C, replying to Chloe, 5, #904 of 1969 🔗

Hi Chloe, welcome to the party. We’re a friendly bunch here and we’re helping each other through this nightmare. Don’t be a stranger.

199219 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Chloe, 3, #905 of 1969 🔗

Stay with us! We’re helpful, independently minded , we welcome dissenting views and there are some very funny people amongst us.

199295 ▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to wendyk, 8, #906 of 1969 🔗

I’ve always appreciated British humour, but these last months it’s been particularly welcome! I learn new words all the time — bollocks and nutter being among my favourites. Wanker is right up there. I sometimes fantasize about a Lockdown Sceptics meet-up in Sweden when this is all over! We could have a mask burning ceremony for starters and then celebrate that we called it from the beginning, stuck to our principles, and have been proved right. A girl can dream…

199327 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 2, #907 of 1969 🔗

Sounds a good idea. And a thank you to Sweden too, because without their courage, we would have suffered a far harder battle to be heard.

199375 ▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Lisa from Toronto, #908 of 1969 🔗

Who would be wearing the masks as we burn them?

199406 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, #909 of 1969 🔗

Ask me on Bonfire night.

199378 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 1, #910 of 1969 🔗

Sounds like a good idea Lisa.

Glad that your vocabulary is expanding.

199284 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Chloe, 1, #911 of 1969 🔗

welcome… and really there is no moderation because it is not necessary.. and new anecdotes are always welcome

199404 ▶▶ annie, replying to Chloe, #912 of 1969 🔗

Welcome, Chloe!

Yes, for many of us this is a spiritual home. A well where you can drink deep draughts of sanity.

Thank God for us!

200182 ▶▶ T inthecentre, replying to Chloe, #913 of 1969 🔗

Hi Chloe. I was lurking until a few days ago too, I hope it makes you feel better and a little more hopeful.

199167 AngloWelshDragon, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 25, #914 of 1969 🔗

Trigger Warning! I’m feeling particularly jaundiced today so what follows is going to be negative.

Sorry to piss on your fireworks if you are an eternal optimist currently beavering away on some project to convert the masses to our righteous cause. I genuinely wish you success though I can’t say I’m optimistic.

As someone who had never masked and has defied lockdown since the end of the initial 4 weeks and who talks and posts incessantly on this subject, I find myself getting irritated with the “what can we do to win people over?” posts.

We now have The Telegraph, Sun, Express, Mail, MoS, Times regularly publishing sceptical editorial and content. We have LDS and The Great Barrington Declaration. We have Sweden and the ONS data. If the mass of the population hasn’t shifted by now and this increasing tide of sceptical evidence doesn’t shift them clearly we are looking at an unbridgeable divide.

Those of a more enquiring mind who do their own research and engage in debate have probably moved towards us already – privately if not publicly. Anyone who has not moved towards scepticism by this point is emotionally invested in the cult and therefore beyond reason.

We need to stop kidding ourselves that there is a winnable argument and one more heave will get us over the line. When an idea – religion, witchcraft, satanic abuse, tulip mania, reds under the beds, covid – gets a grip on a majority rational argument is a complete waste of time. Nobody ever joins or leaves a cult because of facts,

“Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.” People will leave the covid cult gradually as it ceases to meet their emotional need and the benefits of partipation start to be outweighed by the costs.

We should be here to welcome them but we are wasting energy imagining we can convert them.

Sorry for the rambling rant. It was cathartic for me at least!

199185 ▶▶ Paul, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 10, #915 of 1969 🔗

All of the people I have been in contact with this year who have been sceptical from the start have remained resolutely so,I know a few people that have become sceptical as time as moved on but those that have been covid zealots from the start have actually doubled down on their belief in the cult and as you say only when things start to adversely affect them will they see the light.

199196 ▶▶▶ James007, replying to Paul, 3, #916 of 1969 🔗

Yes, it reminds me of those cults which predict the end of the world. Many of the followers still believe after the date has passed, revising predictions, explaining away the error or saying it has happened and we haven’t noticed.
Much like the prophecies of doom we regularly get subjected to.

199321 ▶▶▶ watashi, replying to Paul, #917 of 1969 🔗

Yes, this is my experience too.

199187 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 4, #918 of 1969 🔗

Anecdotally, the Manchester thing has got people thinking. 4 times today perfectly everyday normal people have said to me variations of
‘this is getting ridiculous, I’m so fed up with it, of course they’re fiddling the numbers, do you think we’ll go back into lockdown?’
(currently tier 1).

199192 ▶▶ Mark, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 12, #919 of 1969 🔗

I understand your pov here, but I tend to agree with Peter Hitchens who said something along the lines of stay angry but stay patient.

In the end it is the patient endless repetition of the facts and willingness to argue that has gotten us to the position we are now in, as opposed to the position we were in in March and April. In March and April there were very few sceptical voices and basically no mainstream coverage. The situation is very different now – at least the arguments can be heard.

Granted not all that much has changed in terms of practical policies, although it could always be argued that things would have gone further but for the dogged resistance. But these things operate by tipping points, lurching from one established dogma to another, and at some point we will reach that point and things will change rapidly. We will reach that point because truth is on our side, and now that the actual facts and arguments have been forced into the open rather than just being suppressed as they were earlier, they cannot win the argument.

199301 ▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Mark, 4, #920 of 1969 🔗

I hope you’re right but tbh I am not feeling things are much different to March/April which is disappointing as back then none of us really knew what we were dealing with.

Those of us that took a sceptical stance early on did so pretty much on a wing and a prayer. As it is the statistics and evidence have come down on our side. One would have expected, as bodies failed to pile up in the street, that increasing numbers of people would have said “ok, maybe we overreacted” but they haven’t.

The general public is rightly condemnatory of politicians who dogmatically refuse to change their mind’s in the face of the facts but the truth is the public is no better. It would appear that it is always wise to pick your side carefully at the start of the crisis because it is the trench you will still be in at the end!

AngloWelshDragon

199202 ▶▶ calchas, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 9, #921 of 1969 🔗

Most people’s minds are changed by events not arguments.

In the US – ‘A conservative is a liberal who’s been mugged’

The believers have yet to be mugged – but they will be.

199278 ▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to calchas, 5, #922 of 1969 🔗

That’s my feeling exactly. It’s going to take a lot longer than I originally thought, but I think the tide will turn when people have more to fear than the virus. I remember reading a commenter way back in the early days who wrote something like: starvation has a 100% fatality rate so I’ll take my chances with the virus. Unfortunately, things are going to have to get really, really bad such that greater numbers of people have more fear of losing their jobs, businesses, homes, financial security, etc. than a virus that 99.6% of people will survive. You can only ignore basic math for so long. It didn’t have to be this way, but now we’re going to have to reach a really horrible bottom in order for people to wake up and realize all the mask wearing, distancing and being compliant citizens was all for naught.

199317 ▶▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 2, #923 of 1969 🔗

I know it is harsh but the sooner the cold winds of recession start to bite the better. And that, of course, is why the UK government is throwing money at locked down regions. The people are being anaesthetised with £££ from their own taxes, future generations inheritances and crippling borrowing.

199325 ▶▶▶ watashi, replying to calchas, 4, #924 of 1969 🔗

I don t get why their minds haven t been changed by the glaringly obvious lack of deaths all around them. A pandemic is not invisible.

199373 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to watashi, #925 of 1969 🔗

Many live in Screenworld – Telly, phone, Facebook.

199207 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 5, #926 of 1969 🔗

Good post, AWD, no need to apologise. The only bit I’m unsure about is –

Anyone who has not moved towards scepticism by this point is emotionally invested in the cult and therefore beyond reason.

I’d say the ‘head down go-along-to-get-along’ group is large, shifting towards scepticism, and non-cultist.

199305 ▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to JohnB, 1, #927 of 1969 🔗

I agree but their failure to stand up and be counted makes them next to useless to our cause. If they keep nodding along behind their masks and lying to pollsters we will keep being stuck in the lockdown loop by politicians who think they are giving us what we want.

AngloWelshDragon

199322 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to JohnB, 1, #928 of 1969 🔗

And just waiting for that last little push…

199216 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 1, #929 of 1969 🔗

Well said AWD.

199241 ▶▶ Julian, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 2, #930 of 1969 🔗

I am hoping my belief in the apathetic silent majority is not misplaced. They don’t look gripped by mania to me. I think they can and will come over. It may be slow.

199306 ▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Julian, #931 of 1969 🔗

Slow will be too late.

199269 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 2, #932 of 1969 🔗

The one thing that gives me a scrap of optimism is the hope that Trump wins the US election. If he does then more and more states will probably move to full opening like Florida (and others) have done. When armageddon does not ensue, that will put pressure on other nations to do the same. If Biden wins, we are doomed.

199308 ▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Chicot, #933 of 1969 🔗

Or alternatively some believe if Biden wins the pandemic will magically disappear as it was only ever intended to ensure the end of Trump. Not that I am a conspiracy theorist…

199367 ▶▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to AngloWelshDragon, #934 of 1969 🔗

I don’t buy that. This is bigger than just the US election. Also, I think Biden is on record as saying that he wants mandatory masks virtually everywhere for at least 6 months.

199315 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 2, #935 of 1969 🔗

Ranting can be good for the soul. I believe things are very different compared with March and April. Most people now seem to have got one foot in either camp. Considering most were not zealots but bought in to covidmania, this is a huge step in our direction.

Once furlough ends and the news editors turn, it’s game over.

199323 ▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Nick Rose, #936 of 1969 🔗

I agree. My sadness and anger is that it was not possible to persuade people with reasoned argument. They will turn when the economic tsunami and all the collateral damage that comes with it breaks over them. But that will be far, far to late. By then the economy, health and family life wil be in ruins and our only satisfaction will be saying “I told you so”.

AWD.

199401 ▶▶ annie, replying to AngloWelshDragon, #937 of 1969 🔗

You don’t need to convert the herd. It isn’t even worth trying. They have no brains to work on, and no souls to save.
The herd follows its leaders. Convert enough of them and you can ignore the herd.

199183 Lms23, 3, #938 of 1969 🔗

I don’t know if Toby will read this, but here’s a link related to his “London Calling” podcast discussing tech censorship of Scott Atlas over his posts about face masks:

https://nypost.com/2020/10/20/meet-your-chinese-facebook-censors/
Meet your (Chinese) Facebook censors

“China is one of the most censorious societies on earth. So what better place for ­Facebook to recruit social-media censors?

There are at least half a dozen “Chinese nationals who are working on censorship,” a former Facebook insider told me last week. “So at some point, they [Facebook bosses] thought, ‘Hey, we’re going to get them H-1B visas so they can do this work.’ ”

The insider shared an internal directory of the team that does much of this work. It’s called Hate-Speech Engineering (George Orwell, call your office), and most of its members are based at Facebook’s offices in Seattle. Many have Ph.D.s, and their work is extremely complex, involving machine learning — teaching “computers how to learn and act without being explicitly programmed,”…

…..When it comes to censorship on social media, that means “teaching” the Facebook code so certain content ends up at the top of your newsfeed, a feat that earns the firm’s software wizards discretionary bonuses, per the ex-insider. It also means making sure other content “shows up dead-last.”

Like, say, a New York Post report on the Biden dynasty’s dealings with Chinese companies.”

China has its social credit system, watching and controlling its people using tech and social media.

The virus originated in China, probably in a laboratory. We don’t know if it was released deliberately within China, but its not beyond reason to believe it was allowed to escape from China.
The WHO director general is under the influence of China, who supported him when the WHO was choosing its new DG.

The progressive Democrat governors have been imposing the most draconian lockdowns on their states, destroying businesses and livelihoods.
Dan Andrews we all know about, but is everyone aware that he’s been dealing directly with the Chinese Communist Party and its Belt and Road Initiative?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-24/victoria-deepens-links-with-china-controversial-belt-and-road/11636704

I wouldn’t necessarily call it a conspiracy so much as the progressive hive mind in action.

“Ottmar Edenhofer, lead author of the IPCC’s fourth summary report released in 2007 candidly expressed the priority. Speaking in 2010, he advised, “One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. Instead, climate change policy is about how we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth.”

Or, as U.N. climate chief Christina Figueres pointedly remarked, the true aim of the U.N.’s 2014 Paris climate conference was “to change the [capitalist] economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the Industrial Revolution.” ”

CC isn’t about the science and neither is the response to the virus.
The response to the virus has achieved in months what CC propaganda has been aimed at doing over decades, i.e. Carbon Zero by 2050.
It’s the same lunacy that’s going to be just as or maybe even more damaging, and will result in many, many deaths. But hey, as has been said elsewhere, you can’t make an omelette without breaking eggs, and who cares if millions die or end up destitute…?

199195 wendyk, 3, #939 of 1969 🔗

Just done a quick quality of life survey for local council-waste of time but still: are you male,female, prefer not to say,binary: that would be female; are you transgender-No!What is your ethnicity-white British-shock,horror.

I suspect that this will be consigned to the woke waste bin; disaffected white British female person with no trans or minority attributes in my favour.

Why they have to waste so much time on all this guff is beyond me; it must be adding considerably to council costs, but hey, this is the new inclusive post truth normal.

199198 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 2, #940 of 1969 🔗

Poor old Andy, Manchester is getting the £60 million but he doesn’t get to be subs monitor as it’s going direct to the boroughs.

199224 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to karenovirus, 4, #941 of 1969 🔗

If he had argued from principle – lockdown is wrong – and not just asked for more money to roll over the big boys wouldn’t have stolen his lunch money and flushed his head down the toilet.

199239 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to karenovirus, 3, #942 of 1969 🔗

So that’s fifteen minutes of fame and power crazinessfor my local tin pot Hitlers then. Expect supermarkets that have been good up to now being forced into Stasi mode.

199205 Eddy, 2, #943 of 1969 🔗
199208 Dan Clarke, 3, #944 of 1969 🔗

Listening to debates plus PMQ’s, is like listening to Common purpose on steroids, no critical thinkers at all now, in any of our establishments

199210 tonys, replying to tonys, 13, #945 of 1969 🔗

BBC fear mongering again on the news, their current go-to scare story being ‘long Covid’ . All the elements are there, the young healthy looking mother, the long distance runner, all the old favourite symptoms getting a run out. The fact all of this is incredibly rare is an inconvenience our public service broadcasters has managed without difficulty, to overlook.

199214 ▶▶ PWL, replying to tonys, 12, #946 of 1969 🔗

Stop watching it. Stop paying your licence fee.

199259 ▶▶ fiery, replying to tonys, 1, #947 of 1969 🔗

The so called long covid is likely to be nothing to do with the virus and more likely the side effects of treatment given. People need to research long term complications of being on a ventilator even if it’s for as little as a week. I would refuse ventilation if I contacted Covid as I’d rather the virus killed me than be left with long term disabilities, unable to do the things I enjoy and dependent on others. I value life but I always consider quality over longevity.

199266 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to tonys, 3, #948 of 1969 🔗

What they forget is that a bacterial throat infection can lead to kidney problems or rheumatic fever (an autoimmune condition) affecting the heart amongst other organs. Although post viral syndromes exist I wonder whether people with long Covid have had a bacterial infection or developed an autoimmune condition.

199287 ▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to p02099003, 1, #949 of 1969 🔗

Indeed. I remember a story about 10 years ago of a professional athlete who died after training with strep throat. These things have always happened. Covid is not unique.

199312 ▶▶▶ watashi, replying to p02099003, #950 of 1969 🔗

possibly from wearing a mask?

199389 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to tonys, 2, #951 of 1969 🔗

I don’t believe long covid exists. There may be a small number of people who take extra time to recover but this is the same for all illness. In some cases long covid is likely depression (caused by lockdown), or reduced health as a result of being stuck at home. In others cases it is psychosomatic because of the need to show that covid is really bad, and virtue signal about it.

Some of the shit I have seen pumped out by the BBC is incredibly transparent. First the middle aged (and middle management) woman who doesn’t want to go back to work because she has no energy, but she cannot give any specific symptoms at all apart from feeling low (depression at having to go to a job she hates perhaps?). Next the GP who got long covid but yet again cannot point to any real symptoms other than those that fit with depression, and shockingly hasn’t even had a positive test (I assumed that meant he had negative tests). Well at least he won’t be continuing his apparent malpractice with those medical skills.

Does the meeja think that people get influenza and then can resume their 10k run performance immediately? I don’t think we should even consider this crap to be real until hard evidence of something exceptional says otherwise.

200045 ▶▶▶ Sylvie, replying to TheBluePill, -1, #952 of 1969 🔗

And I might with equal justification say that you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Just Google Guillain Barre syndrome, https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/guillain-barre-syndrome/ , Kawasaki disease and a host of other virally or otherwise induced medical problems with the immune system, the body’s natural defence against illness and infection.
Normally the immune system attacks any germs that get into the body. But in people with this, something goes wrong and it mistakenly attacks and damages the nerves.
It’s not clear exactly why this happens, but the condition often happens after an infection; especially an infection of the airways, such as flu, or an infection of the digestive system, such as food poisoning or a stomach bug.
Women’s immune systems work differently from men’s, to do with their complex and fluctuating hormones at different times in their lives, and so this issue is commoner in women than men. Many men therefore think it’s all about women making a fuss about nothing – just like they do about period pain, endometriosis etc etc.

199398 ▶▶ annie, replying to tonys, 1, #953 of 1969 🔗

Thing is, the idea that everybody is equally likely to die of ordinary Covid is now such a patent lie that it needs re-branding. Et voilà.

199211 PWL, 2, #954 of 1969 🔗

What does it tell you if “Covid-19” lockdowns, and their value in pay-off money, are up for negotiation between central and local government?

Covid-19 in a nutshell

“In the UK, the best estimate of death by Covid-19 pneumonia is a number of around 4,000, give or take a number of hundreds. ‘Covid-19’ – please note the use of quotation marks – is a disease that doesn’t exist.”

199217 fiery, replying to fiery, 2, #955 of 1969 🔗

This appears regularly on my FB page copied and pasted from various virtue signallers. I ignore it and inwardly scream.

I have been wearing a mask when appropriate since March when this whole thing went down. I’m not sure how being considerate to others for the common good is now being mocked by some who are calling it “living in fear”, but it needs to stop…. When I wear a mask over my nose and mouth in public and in the stores/Supermarkets/Pharmacies/Offices and all day long at work – I want you to know the following:
📷 I’m educated enough to know that I could be asymptomatic and still give you the virus.
📷 No, I don’t “live in fear” of the virus; I just want to be part of the solution, not the problem.
📷 I don’t feel like the “government controls me”. I feel like I’m an adult contributing to the security in our society and I want to teach others the same.
📷 If we could all live with the consideration of others in mind, the whole world would be a much better place.
📷 Wearing a mask doesn’t make me weak, scared, stupid or even “controlled”. It makes me caring and responsible.
📷 When you think about your appearance, discomfort, or other people’s opinion of you, imagine a loved one – a child, father, mother, grandparent, aunt, uncle or even a stranger – placed on a ventilator, alone without you or any family member allowed at their bedside….. Ask yourself if you could have helped to protect them a little by wearing a mask.
I copied and posted……Who else will do the same?

199232 ▶▶ Mrs issedoff, replying to fiery, 7, #956 of 1969 🔗

I know what my response would be but it wouldn’t get printed. This person honestly believes what he/she is spouting, I personally think it is a woman (oh no, how sexist!). There is nobody who could turn this way of thinking around, a lost cause I’m afraid.

199256 ▶▶▶ fiery, replying to Mrs issedoff, 6, #957 of 1969 🔗

Absolutely correct – the person posting is female and someone with a secure job so not much to worry about.

199349 ▶▶▶▶ TT, replying to fiery, 2, #958 of 1969 🔗

Tell ’em to please revise final clause: “ When you think about only your personal safety and protection from a disease of moderate severity to the exclusion of all else, imagine a loved one – a child, father, mother, grandparent, aunt, uncle or even a stranger – placed on hold for or denied essential treatment, wasting away and dying of cancer or other potentially fatal conditions alone without you or any family member allowed at their bedside….. ask yourself if you could have helped to protect them a little by REFUSING TO wear a mask in the first place or to go along with any of the other ridiculous shenanigans that contrived to make this unforgiveable criminal negligence f***** ‘normal’ !”

199233 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to fiery, 9, #959 of 1969 🔗

Total bullshit.

Like one of those “pass it on or die horribly in next 2 weeks” crap on e-mail.

199281 ▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #960 of 1969 🔗

I always told friends to send chain letters and emails to me if they are superstitious as I will end them without a second thought. Weirdly I am still alive after 30 years of being the “one who breaks the chain”.

199337 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 1, #961 of 1969 🔗

Yeah, but you brought corona madness down on all our heads ! 🙂

199236 ▶▶ Tommo, replying to fiery, 9, #962 of 1969 🔗

I dream of the day when a big new study comes out showing that masks are completely useless and actually increase the spread of viruses. What will the virtue signallers do then?

199240 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Tommo, 4, #963 of 1969 🔗

Just give them this quote from the BMA:

We appreciate that this is an area in which there is little high-quality empirical evidence. There is, for example, a lack of randomised control trials showing that mask wearing is effective (either indoors or outdoors).



199370 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Tommo, #964 of 1969 🔗

They will choose truth over facts. They already have.

199237 ▶▶ Julian, replying to fiery, 11, #965 of 1969 🔗

I doubt that most who wear a mask actually feel like this, and some that say they do are kidding us or themselves

Who wore masks in March or April?

Most are just doing it because they are rule-followers or afraid of being challenged or fined

199243 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to fiery, 1, #966 of 1969 🔗

Tosh of the halo polsing variety.

199265 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to wendyk, #967 of 1969 🔗

should be halo polishing

199254 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to fiery, 11, #968 of 1969 🔗

More 77th b bollocks.

I’m educated enough to know that I could be asymptomatic and still give you the virus.

Utter crap, I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again. How the fuck can an asymptomatic person infect somebody. If you are ill stay indoors.

199267 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to fiery, 11, #969 of 1969 🔗

I’m educated enough to know that I could be asymptomatic and still give you the virus.

Has asymptomatic viral transmission ever been conclusively proven?

All of the above bullet points could be condensed into one:

I am a repulsive virtue signaller. Our entire society is now pivoted around people like me, which is why everything is in such a mess.

199276 ▶▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to Richard O, 1, #970 of 1969 🔗

The Gangzou study found one likely (not proven) asymptomatic transmission out of about 1500 people

199393 ▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Richard O, -1, #971 of 1969 🔗

Occurrence and transmission potential of asymptomatic and presymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infections: A living systematic review and meta-analysis

The findings of this living systematic review suggest that most people who become infected with SARS-CoV-2 will not remain asymptomatic throughout the course of the infection.

The overall estimate of the proportion of people who become infected with SARS-CoV-2 and remain asymptomatic throughout infection was 20% (95% confidence interval [CI] 17–25) with a prediction interval of 3%–67% in 79 studies that addressed this review question.

Transmission Dynamics of COVID-19

199654 ▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Richard Pinch, #972 of 1969 🔗

‘Limitations of the review include that most included studies were not designed to estimate the proportion of asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infections and were at risk of selection biases;’ (Ref above)

‘It is typical now to call PCR positives that present no symptoms asymptomatic (see above). It is highly likely that these tests are detecting viral RNA in patients where the virus is no longer capable of infecting. A statistical test where biological equipment would not be required could involve correlating deaths to PCR positives’

‘PCR positives cannot be used to tell if the pandemic is advancing if for that we understand that deaths are to increase or decrease.’

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/pcr-positives-what-do-they-mean/

But what the heck, deaths aren’t increasing, plumb normal for the time of year, so why is everyone wasting their time on this silly confection?

199275 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to fiery, 1, #973 of 1969 🔗

Any friend who posts this or similar gets muted for 30 days. I have barely heard from some people in 7 months. It’s bliss!

199364 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 2, #974 of 1969 🔗

You are very diplomatic in just muting them. When I had a FB account (got rid of it about 2 years ago), I had a policy of unfriending anyone who posted anti-abortion material (will happily nail my colours to the pro-choice mast). At least one 1st cousin was unfriended under that rule.

199293 ▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to fiery, 1, #975 of 1969 🔗

Probably originated in the Nudge Unit.

199313 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to fiery, 2, #976 of 1969 🔗

My response would be if you feel this way why didn’t you wear one before they were mandated in the summer and do you feel guilty about all the people you probably killed during the pandemic by not wearing one before? Secondly, as you feel this way then I presume you wear a mask at all times leaving the house just in case you harm someone? Thirdly. I assume when they are no longer mandated you will continue to wear one for the rest of your life out of compassion for other people in the understanding that at any time you could pass on a virus that could harm someone.

The compassion/selflessness argument is simply debunked if they are prepared to admit that they have worn one and will continue to do so only while it is mandated.

199341 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Achilles, #977 of 1969 🔗

Unfortunately that sort of person probably will wear one for the rest of their life, just in case.

199397 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to A. Contrarian, #978 of 1969 🔗

Let them, and I hope they choke.

199333 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to fiery, 1, #979 of 1969 🔗

Oh dear, where to start … ?

199359 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to JohnB, 1, #980 of 1969 🔗

It’s a cult, don’t try

199350 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to fiery, #981 of 1969 🔗

The OP is part of a solution alright. He/she just doesn’t realise it.

199391 ▶▶ annie, replying to fiery, 1, #982 of 1969 🔗

And who was it decided that a dying patient shouldn’t have a family member at their bedside? The fucking NHS, that’s who, and I bet this pathetic sub-zombie bsnged a pot for it.

199392 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to fiery, 1, #983 of 1969 🔗
  • I’m educated enough to know that I could be asymptomatic and still give you the virus.

I’m also educated enough to know the probability of this is very small but education doesn’t necessarily make me rational.

  • No, I don’t “live in fear” of the virus; I just want to be part of the solution, not the problem.

Although my solution may actually cause problems elsewhere. But my contribution to this solution trumps everything else.

  • I don’t feel like the “government controls me”. I feel like I’m an adult contributing to the security in our society and I want to teach others the same.

My feelings don’t have any bearing on the facts of the matter. I am totally free to do as I please within the confines of what I’m allowed to do.

  • If we could all live with the consideration of others in mind, the whole world would be a much better place.

I don’t actually have any data to prove that people weren’t already considerate before I made this statement. But I also think if everything was good in the world then everything in the world would be good.

  • Wearing a mask doesn’t make me weak, scared, stupid or even “controlled”. It makes me caring and responsible.

It’s impossible to be caring and responsible unless you wear a mask 24/7. I don’t but because I think I wear mine more than you it makes me more caring and responsible.

  • When you think about your appearance, discomfort, or other people’s opinion of you, imagine a loved one – a child, father, mother, grandparent, aunt, uncle or even a stranger – placed on a ventilator, alone without you or any family member allowed at their bedside….. Ask yourself if you could have helped to protect them a little by wearing a mask.

I cry myself to sleep at night thinking of the people who have died in Outer Mongolia because I didn’t wear a mask often enough. Still I can console myself in the knowledge that by wearing one sometimes I cannot be responsible for any deaths.

199218 PWL, 3, #984 of 1969 🔗

Remember folks, when they are inflating death numbers as they please in the same way they like to invent PCR test positive numbers, Covid-19 is not flu .

199222 6097 Smith W, 1, #985 of 1969 🔗

http://inproportion2.talkigy.com/

good information and they show that we are now past the peak of infections for autumn and all the tiers are pointless just look at the positive test %

http://inproportion2.talkigy.com/dashboard/

199228 Laurence, replying to Laurence, 16, #986 of 1969 🔗

How many people in the UK are going to die of the common cold (not flu) this winter ? Well, if you take the number of people who will have had it within 28 days of dying, then around 50,000!

199242 ▶▶ theanalyst, replying to Laurence, 1, #987 of 1969 🔗

Brilliant!

199272 ▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to Laurence, 2, #988 of 1969 🔗

but we don’t test so we never know

199244 alw, replying to alw, 16, #989 of 1969 🔗

Bravo for another Conservative MP with a conscience.

It puzzles me how @BorisJohnson
can allow such a counterproductive and bizarre decision to remove me from office, simply for voting to keep our UK economy open for business. Yes, we must fight the virus and all threats to the health of our nation, taking every precaution.
However, closing down whole sections of our economy, putting companies out of business, creating mass unemployment and taking away the freedom that British people cherish, is not the answer and it won’t work. Freedom with responsibility is what I thought @Conservatives stood for!
We should instead do what Britons do best and ‘keep calm and carry on’!

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1350414/Andrew-Rosindell-Tory-MP-sacked-Boris-Johnson-vote-coronavirus-restrictions-latest

199247 ▶▶ Crazy Times, replying to alw, 7, #990 of 1969 🔗

Johnson is conservative in name only. He’s done nothing thus far I would consider conservative.

199280 ▶▶ Julian, replying to alw, 2, #991 of 1969 🔗

Good to have another one coming over, though sad to see they all still trot out the mandatory “we must fight the virus” line – a mindset that needs to change if we’re to stand a chance

199316 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to alw, 4, #992 of 1969 🔗

This is the kind of decision that is very common in dictatorships. Any disagreement with the leadership and you are immediately ousted.

Johnson would have happily joined the Socialist Workers Party if it guaranteed his ascent to power. How anyone could have voted for this scumbag ever is beyond me. I voted Remain in 2016 (against my core principles) for one reason and one reason alone: Johnson was leading the Leave campaign.

199345 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Richard O, #993 of 1969 🔗

pretty much the same here

199246 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 1, #994 of 1969 🔗

They are making no attempt to hide the facts of the GR:

https://twitter.com/wef

#jobsreset

199616 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Sarigan, #995 of 1969 🔗

They’ve never tried to hide it. Its been out there for anyone to see.
But we’re the ones who get called conspiracy theorists if we mention it in public.

199248 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 8, #996 of 1969 🔗

Saw this question which sums it up:

Every other pandemic has ended, what is so different about this one?

199257 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Sarigan, 1, #997 of 1969 🔗

Excellent question, considering how we now have more medical knowledge and technology compared to pandemics in the past.

199334 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Sarigan, 2, #998 of 1969 🔗

Back then they weren’t as fussed about people dying as it passed through the population I guess. Nowadays death is to be avoided at all costs, even the cost of not living any more, and the government are responsible for every aspect of our lives.

199386 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #999 of 1969 🔗

“death is to be avoided at all costs, even the cost of not living any more”

Exactly.
I won’t pay that cost. I shall die later, but by God, I shall live now.

And the living dead will die just the same. They just don’t know it yet.

199427 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Sarigan, 3, #1000 of 1969 🔗

this one ended in June. everything since has been nonsense

199614 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Sarigan, #1001 of 1969 🔗

The PTB don’t want it to end.

199249 Crazy Times, replying to Crazy Times, 21, #1002 of 1969 🔗

You’d never know from watching Sky News the Biden laptop even existed. If this were about Trump, the coverage would be non-stop wall to wall shrieking. Proof if ever, the media is entirely compromised and corrupt. I would guess BBC is the same, but I refuse to watch that for the sake of my own sanity.

199611 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Crazy Times, #1003 of 1969 🔗

I don’t watch either.
I get most of my US news from Tim Pool and Steve Turley on YouTube, topped up with a daily dose of Tucker Carlson, of course.

199252 Sam Vimes, 23, #1004 of 1969 🔗

Has anybody else noticed how shocking ambulance waiting times are? I mean, our street had a party on VE day, with much drinking dancing and hugging, and an ambulance still hasn’t arrived. After five months plus…

199255 Darryl, 1, #1005 of 1969 🔗

Worth checking out the EU Publications Office publication ‘Infected’ from 2012 – a propaganda cartoon about the EU saving us from a deadly virus from China – you really can’t make this stuff up! https://op.europa.eu/en/publication-detail/-/publication/4cc2ea93-d003-417e-9294-1103a6ee877d

More predictive programming. Was completely unaware the EU published so much junk before going on the site.

Found out about it at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQ2A-VWUqlc

199264 thinkaboutit, replying to thinkaboutit, 7, #1006 of 1969 🔗

Sir John Edmunds of Sage now confidently predicts it peaking at Christmas.
If it were to peak, of course it would then, because people are mixing more and because of current lockdowns you’ve just kicked the can into December. That’s the problem with the lockdowns, theyll never stop.

199268 ▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to thinkaboutit, 1, #1007 of 1969 🔗

Problem?

199318 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to 6097 Smith W, #1008 of 1969 🔗

I should have said, he was talking about the second wave.

199273 ▶▶ Julian, replying to thinkaboutit, 4, #1009 of 1969 🔗

Predicts what peaking exactly? There are so many measures of “it”, most of them meaningless.

What does he think will bring this “peak” to an end?

199282 ▶▶▶ jim j, replying to Julian, 5, #1010 of 1969 🔗

Why hasn’t this buffoon been completely discredited for his ludicrous statements.
While I think of it, why is Ferguson still a free man?
Is there no limit to the damage these deranged panic merchants will do to get their name in the paper??
Science has truly fucked up in this one, I feel sorry for the 99.95% who have integrity that the press seeking whores have destroyed their livelihoods.

199314 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Julian, #1011 of 1969 🔗

Sorry, I missed that bit, the Second Wave!

199274 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to thinkaboutit, 3, #1012 of 1969 🔗

Setting up johnson to ‘save Xmas’ for the Brave British Public.

199379 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to karenovirus, #1013 of 1969 🔗

Let’s see how far he makes it into the New Year, when he’ll have served his purpose?

199294 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to thinkaboutit, #1014 of 1969 🔗

Is this a peak with the current restrictions or without? Does that mean all restrictions can be dropped after Christmas?

199319 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Achilles, 2, #1015 of 1969 🔗

Who knows. No doubt by the they’ll have another excuse to impose lockdown.

199507 ▶▶ RickH, replying to thinkaboutit, #1016 of 1969 🔗

What amazing insight!

Infections always peak around Christmas and just after.

What a twat.

199270 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 9, #1017 of 1969 🔗

Toby posted early today so missed an 8am article in the Daily Mail about South Yorkshire going into tier 3.
I like to amuse myself by going straight to the Worst Liked comments, today did not disappoint.

LadyCarolinePonsonby Berkshire UK.
‘People in Yorkshire can barely string a sentence together so it is hardly surprising that they are unable to follow the rules that have been set out for them.
Full Lockdown is the only way to curb the diseased provinces.’

Clause, London.
‘They contribute little to the economy, flat caps, whippets and lard. I pay more tax than ten of these scroungers Lock It Down Forever.’

Wind-up merchants methinks.

199335 ▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to karenovirus, 1, #1018 of 1969 🔗

It might actually have a positive affect if taken seriously by making people angrier.

199608 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to karenovirus, #1019 of 1969 🔗

Nice people.

199279 Alan P, replying to Alan P, 6, #1020 of 1969 🔗

This is how it works…..
Daily figures are published (cases, admissions, deaths, etc.). Media runs scare stories; politicians talk crisis is upon us.
This continues for a few days, then more details come to light and the real experts like Heneghan, Jefferson, Gupta et al explain what’s really happening.

Then daily cases are published, media runs scares, politicians…… and so it goes!

When will it end?

199286 ▶▶ jim j, replying to Alan P, 2, #1021 of 1969 🔗

The fringe all proposes “when people wake up to the conspiracy”.
I would propose when the public realises the press thinks it is an entertainer, having moved from biased opinion filter, after originally being a procurer of facts.
Arrgghhh!

199288 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Alan P, 3, #1022 of 1969 🔗

Well, if the Scenarios for the Future of Technology and International Development document lock step model had it right, then about 2035.

199283 John Galt, replying to John Galt, 10, #1023 of 1969 🔗

How to cancel your TV licence, save a nice chunk of money and put two fingers up at the BBC:

https://www.tvlicenceresistance.info/forum/index.php?topic=9847.0

The BBC are an utter disgrace. They have been for as long as I can remember, but they’ve certainly and obviously become even worse over the past year.

I don’t watch live TV, so since I’ve lived alone I haven’t had a TV licence. Once a month, without fail, I get a letter addressed to “The Occupier”. I put them straight in the bin. I’ve never had any visits to my house, though if I did all I’d do is close the door on them. They don’t have legal rights and they aren’t the police. We should all be used to a bit of conflict by now anyway, so this will be easy for you.

The tactics they use to spread scare stories about coronavirus are exactly the same as what they’ve always done with the TV licence. The mythical detection vans. The big billboards stating how many people are illegally unlicenced. The news stories about people being fined. The fact that they’ve managed to brainwash people into believing that if you own a TV you need a TV licence. It’s all complete nonsense. Once you’ve cancelled your licence, just follow these steps:

  • Ignore any letters.
  • Ignore any TV licence people knocking on the door.
  • If you do accidentally open the door to them, do not confirm your name, and once you know who they are, say “no thank you” and shut the door.

It’s as easy as that.

If you don’t watch live TV, you don’t need a licence. You can still watch Netflix, YouTube, Amazon Prime etc. They changed it so that you can’t watch BBC iPlayer without a licence (the above link is outdated in that regard), but with the trash that they put out, why would you want to? You shouldn’t be watching the news, and whenever I’m at someone’s house with Sky, I flick through the channels and the only thing that I can ever find that’s worth watching are old reruns of Top Gear. Pretty much everything you’d want to go out of your way to watch you can find online anyway with some savvy searches.

So, why not save yourself some money and stop paying for propaganda (now I sound like an advert!)

199310 ▶▶ petgor, replying to John Galt, 6, #1024 of 1969 🔗

We cancelled our licence a few months ago. I know that I am being childish but it is an exhilarating feeling. It is the one protest occasion when I feel that I have made a stand which, though not significant in itself, is one which together with others will have an effect.

199311 ▶▶ mjr, replying to John Galt, 5, #1025 of 1969 🔗

and if you get a firestick there are numerous free apps available which will allow you to watch many of these programmes. apparently internet search will tell you how

199355 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to John Galt, 3, #1026 of 1969 🔗

The worst zealots I know are big telly addicts and/or Facebookers

199466 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to PoshPanic, #1027 of 1969 🔗

Yes, or Guardian readers among the more ‘intellectual’.

199365 ▶▶ FenTyger, replying to John Galt, 3, #1028 of 1969 🔗

Did not renew in August. Saved money spent on old DVD’s of series that we missed first time around, must have about 60hours of viewing available and no propaganda from the BBC etc. Honestly, we do not miss it.

199372 ▶▶ Telpin, replying to John Galt, 2, #1029 of 1969 🔗

Already done. Very liberating- I used to be their biggest supporter but their coverage of this sh&t show has been an absolute disgrace. They have hugely contributed, deliberately, to Project Fear.

199467 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Telpin, #1030 of 1969 🔗

They have been terrible for years, way before the Covid nonsense.

199289 Melangell, replying to Melangell, 16, #1031 of 1969 🔗

Oooh, we Lockdown Sceptics are practically mainstream now: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/comment/almost-starting-think-whole-pandemic-really-conspiracy/ by Annabel Fenwick Elliott SENIOR CONTENT EDITOR

Behind paywall. Excerpt:

The average age of someone who dies from coronavirus is 82.4, which, by the way, is nearly identical to the average life expectancy in Britain (81.1). Surely it is people in this segment of society we should be focusing on protecting, I thought, as schools closed and businesses went bust up and down the country.
It looked vaguely promising in July when restaurants, hotels and shops reopened, and when most of Europe opened its borders to international travel, but this break from the tyranny of lockdown was short-lived.
Between mid-June and mid-September – even as we socialised, holidayed, and swapped germs to our heart’s content – influenza and pneumonia contributed to more weekly deaths than Covid-19 . Sweden, one of the only countries on Earth that refused to lock down, had by this point proved beyond reasonable doubt that its tactic had broadly worked; even with such little intervention, the nation had not collapsed into the sort of apocalyptic health crisis predicted by the likes of Neil Ferguson.
Confoundingly, the British government continues to paint a picture of a virus that scares its citizens into an ongoing state of paranoid submission. Its chief scientific advisors almost appear to take relish in spouting doomsday predictions that never materialize (50,000 daily cases by mid-October, warned Sir Patrick Vallance and Professor Chris Whitty last month – the real number was less than half that).
This dogged fixation on case numbers would make sense, of course, if we knew that lots of cases led to lots of deaths. They don’t. In the first week of October, there were 91,013 cases of coronavirus reported in England and Wales, and 343 Covid-related deaths. That same week a total of 9,954 people died from various causes. Of those, just 4.4 per cent of the death certificates mentioned Covid-19….

Eight months on, my burning question remains unanswered. What is really going on? About 50 millon people die each year worldwide. Some deaths are preventable, others not. Over the course of 2020, this pandemic has claimed 1.1 million lives; most of whom were elderly or already ill. Heart disease kills 17 million annually; cancer 9.6 million. Respiratory diseases, including bronchitis, pneumonia and emphysema take 2.5 million lives a year.
Why then, are we still playing this ridiculously destructive game with healthy peoples’ lives – a risky experiment that, as is starting to emerge, will very likely kill more people than it saves in the long run ?
My father, an ardent lockdown sceptic , reckons it has all turned into some sort of multi-national, anti-capitalist power grab. “Christianity,” he points out, based on “nonsensical” stories of a virgin birth, and a death-defying saviour, “successfully dominated the predominant part of the civilised world for the best part of two millennia. It was a power system, and its power trumped logic.”

199320 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Melangell, 2, #1032 of 1969 🔗

paywall? if you accidentally refresh the screen and immediately you accidentally press esc key, all might be revealed

199362 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Melangell, 5, #1033 of 1969 🔗

Christianity lasted so long – I refer to it in the past tense -because it provided a holistic vision to each person of their place in society and the universe. It furthered society through a comprehensive concept of each individual’s rights and responsiblities. It brought together people in the collective from all sections of society to celebrate their feasts, and so supported fellowship and community.

At the same time, Christianity emphasiszed the responsibility of the individual before God and his freedom to decide his own fate.

There is a strong case to be made that the decline of Christianity is precisely what makes hysteria-wide nonsense, such we presently witness, possible

199383 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to calchas, 8, #1034 of 1969 🔗

The Christian churches are now in terminal decline.
They have put themselves there. Through cowardice, through stupidity, and above all, through an utter failure to believe what they profess to believe. They have betrayed the faithful, and the country, and civilisation, and God.
There are still Christians, but not in the churches.

199390 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to annie, 1, #1035 of 1969 🔗

I like small churches, in the middle of nowhere, with no one else in them.

199502 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to TJN, #1036 of 1969 🔗

Now, this ‘god’ thing …. is this the one in the Old Testament … the narcissistic and sadistic horror show? …. or just the bad-tempered incompetent known as ‘Nigel’ in ‘Old Harry’s Game’.

199606 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to RickH, #1037 of 1969 🔗

The Old Testament was largely historical, and an attempt to explain real events through the lens of a one almighty God, and the experience of the Jewish people.
Most Christians follow the teachings in the New Testament.
Do not kill, do not steal, don’t give in to envy, don’t try and get off with someone else’s wife or belongings, look after you parents, seems like a pretty good moral code.
Look at our amoral leaders to see where the alternative leads us.

199595 ▶▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to annie, 1, #1038 of 1969 🔗

I’d say it’s through infiltration. Totalitarian leadership cannot abide competition, which is why China and Russia have attempted to wipe out Christianity, and Islam.
I believe that the CoE has fallen prey to the long march through the institutions. It’s been hollowed out from the inside. It’s no accident.

199478 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to calchas, #1039 of 1969 🔗

No – there’s no ‘strong case’ to be made. Judaism, Bhuddism, Daoism, the Muslim faith etc, etc. can make their own solopsistic claims on the same sort of basis.

… all of which would be nonsense as well.

199591 ▶▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to RickH, #1040 of 1969 🔗

Calchas speaks of Christianity because it’s the dominant Western religion, and has two million followers worldwide.
It’s the absence of any religion which seems to make people more susceptible to cultish beliefs. People seem to need to believe in something greater than themselves to give their lives meaning.
I’m not giving an opinion on the validity of religion or Christianity either way. All belief systems can be open to abuse, as well as structure for one’s life.

199300 peyrole, replying to peyrole, 19, #1041 of 1969 🔗

Face Masks in France supplied to most public sector workers ( including macron) have been withdrawn because they have been treated with silver-copper zeolite, an agent designed to kill microbes.Its now suspected of being toxic.
How many other masks are similarly lethal?

199329 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to peyrole, 10, #1042 of 1969 🔗

Hopefully all of them. I make no apologies for my cynicism.

Some media talking head prick (“Butterworth” I think?) has been attacking the Queen today for not wearing a mask during her recent appearance, saying she has “let the UK down”.

If the Covid Cult is willing to attack the head of state in public for not obeying its rituals, we know that they have departed from reality altogether.

199304 Adbase, 11, #1043 of 1969 🔗

It seems to me that unless you are in a high risk group then you should try very hard to get CV19 because it protects you from dying of anything else.

199332 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #1044 of 1969 🔗
199360 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to PastImperfect, #1045 of 1969 🔗

It’s not bexley, assuming it’s Bexley in Kent.

Very funny though and probably absolutely true.

199340 CGL, replying to CGL, 1, #1046 of 1969 🔗

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=3962533067109600&id=111263798903232

Having a bit of a spat with a commenter on here called Kateryn – anyone care to wade in?

She thinks the bans on care home visits are good

199346 ▶▶ CGL, replying to CGL, 1, #1047 of 1969 🔗

She asks-
“Who, in reality, should be given the right to ‘force’ or ‘impose’ a deadly risk on a competent human for the sake of of an incompetent one?”

199414 ▶▶▶ Telpin, replying to CGL, 3, #1048 of 1969 🔗

You’ll be banging your head against a brick wall – she’s that stupid or obtuse or both. The residents are in a CARE home, which means that everyone of them relies on interaction with carers, therapists etc. Would she say for example that those at risk should be locked in their rooms with a slat in the door to receive food/ meds? No, of course not. Therefore she accepts that each resident will have several visitors nurturing their physical and mental health. That’s what’s known as humane treatment. Being able to see and communicate with family members – particularly for those with dementia where the familiar and having ones memories jogged is so important- is part of that therapeutic treatment. Depriving residents of such comfort is as inhumane as denying them essential drugs – both cause pain and accelerate death. Or is that precisely what she’s advocating?

These people make me sick.

199348 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to CGL, 1, #1049 of 1969 🔗

Remember it’s a cult, they will go to their graves believing

199353 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Cecil B, #1050 of 1969 🔗

What I need is a ‘Richard Pinch’, only on my side! 🙂

199499 ▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to CGL, 1, #1051 of 1969 🔗

I’m flattered! But I’m not sure that I’m on the “side” you think I’m on.

199697 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Richard Pinch, #1052 of 1969 🔗

T’was in jest – just a gentle gibe – not offence meant. 🙂

199377 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1053 of 1969 🔗

And the sooner the better.

199357 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to CGL, #1054 of 1969 🔗

Don’t waste your breath

199371 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to stefarm, -1, #1055 of 1969 🔗

I’ve been very polite but she’s not human I dont think

199698 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to CGL, #1056 of 1969 🔗

A downtick? That’s a first!

199369 ▶▶ Julian, replying to CGL, 4, #1057 of 1969 🔗

“Good” for whom?

Does she have a loved one in a care home?

Is she in a care home?

Has she ever been to one, and does she know what it’s like to be in one?

Blanket bans are rarely good when dealing with human relations and people in delicate situations.

A lot depends on the degree of risk that a visit might bring to a given home.

You might reasonably test the staff regularly, and maybe visitors. In general I feel it should be up to the visitors and visited to agree on the level of risk they are happy with. It becomes awkward when you are in a shared setting and some residents (or their loved ones if those residents are beyond being able to express a view) prefer to remain apart. Ideally you’d be able to accommodate both groups, and it is here that some of the billions that have been pissed up the wall could have been spent to allow people in those situations to make choices that suited them.

Speaking as someone whose parents both died in care homes, for as long as they were able to express a view, I think they would have wanted to carry on and take the risk, because their life was hard enough as it was without missing out on the grandchildren.

199374 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Julian, 1, #1058 of 1969 🔗

My points exactly- not that I have your direct experience. Juar from my own point of view – I’d rather risk it than die alone.

199388 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to CGL, 5, #1059 of 1969 🔗

How about giving the very elderly/end of life people a choice. Do you want to live a few more months (maybe) alone without your family or die with the support of your family?

199408 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Smelly Melly, 2, #1060 of 1969 🔗

Her wording is very weird but having read it all again, I think what she is saying is why should the carers be put at risk from the families coming in?? Which is even more weird really because they are living out in the world anyway so they are as much at risk as anyone else (if you consider you are at risk at all)

Very odd! No more comments from me – I’ll leave her in her strange world.

199528 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to CGL, 2, #1061 of 1969 🔗

The ban might be good in theory, i.e. to prevent the spread of infection, but bad in practice.
Those elderly residents who have a choice would probably rather see their relatives than not. We’ve all read too many heart-breaking stories of distressed residents who just give up because they can’t see their families.
Having visited my mother care home over the last five years, I’ve seen quite a few residents who have been very distressed at being in the care home. They didn’t want to be there. They wanted to be with their families. Some adjusted, and some just gave up. And that was with visits. It has to be a whole lot worse now.

The virus could be managed, with strict hand-washing, keeping a reasonable distance. Isolating them is just cruel.

199342 TheOriginalBlackPudding, 33, #1062 of 1969 🔗

I’ve just been talking to a neighbour – the first proper chat we’ve had for a couple of weeks. Last time we spoke she was adamant that lockdown wasn’t hard enough, the Spanish have done it properly and we should learn from them, we need armed police keeping people in their houses etc.
Today, a complete change of tune – they are lying to us, hospitals are not under pressure, if it weren’t for the news media we’d have no idea we were supposed to be in the midst of the greatest public health crisis. And so on.
Another brick falling out of the wall.
As I’ve said before, I remain optimistic that the edifice will collapse.

199343 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, #1063 of 1969 🔗

This is beyond horrific news..
https://twitter.com/Francis_Hoar/status/1318841671019339777

Cure is 1000’s of times worse than the disease!

199354 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #1064 of 1969 🔗

If it saves just one life…. “.

The Cult will not give a shit about this. They love death. They live for death.

199376 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Richard O, 1, #1065 of 1969 🔗

They love the death of babies.
My God, Hell has no fire hot enough.

199387 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to annie, 1, #1066 of 1969 🔗

Yes, the suffering of children is their nectar. There are some very dark rabbit holes to explore in this area which you may or may not be aware of. Suffice to say that our leadership does not have our best interests at heart.

199491 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Richard O, #1067 of 1969 🔗

Cause and effect. Save a life will cost a life. Only works if you are sick in the mind and don’t mind killing someone by saving someone. It’s so irrational.

199366 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #1068 of 1969 🔗

The gutter press will pretend to care but really all they care about is selling papers or advertising.

199423 ▶▶ CGL, replying to PoshPanic, #1069 of 1969 🔗

Jeremy Vine also tweeted this – someone posted it earlier today. It is the worst report yet. I’m not wvwn going to dare ask if it can possibly get worse than that.

199344 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1070 of 1969 🔗

The NHS in Manchester will not release any data to the Manchester press

They are told it is reserved for national press conferences

Of course the Manchester press will not be allowed to attend these national press conferences

In attendance will be he pig dictators chosen press bitches, people like Peston and Kuntsberg

Peston and Kuntsberg will ask the questions that the pig dictator has chosen for them

Peston, Kuntsberg, and NHS Manchester are all added to the list

199358 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Cecil B, #1071 of 1969 🔗

Surely the first two were already on the list

At least one journalist met a sticky end at the Nuremberg Trials

The Fourth Estate have not been far behind the government, parliament and SAGE in the despicability stakes

199436 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Julian, 1, #1072 of 1969 🔗

Fourth Estate: which would presumably include Piers Morgan, who I gather was shouting loudest of all for lockdowns.

199399 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1073 of 1969 🔗

I think the NHS should remember who pays for it – us.

199437 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Jo, 3, #1074 of 1969 🔗

Don’t be silly.
It’s magic money, supplied by the government.

199347 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 2, #1075 of 1969 🔗

I’m beginning to wonder if I had a cold and took a Covid test would it give a positive result

199352 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to crimsonpirate, 2, #1076 of 1969 🔗

If you had one of the 4 coronavirus that make up some of the various virus that we call the common cold you certainly would. They share the same protein spike with ‘the’ coronavirus. Its probable that you would with some of thise other virus as well.

199412 ▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to peyrole, 1, #1077 of 1969 🔗

Do you have a link to any papers that have looked into this? Interested to have a read.

199356 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #1078 of 1969 🔗

Hmm, a false+ maybe. My OH has a colleague who got notified via the app to self isolate blah blah, had a and I quote a ‘sniffle’ asked for a home test (delivered via Amazon 😒 ) and was……drum rollllllllllll

Negative!!!

199380 ▶▶ RickH, replying to crimsonpirate, #1079 of 1969 🔗

There are so many sources of error in the PCR chain, that it’s impossible to say. ‘Findings’ are difficult to separate from random events

199394 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to RickH, 1, #1080 of 1969 🔗

And, as they have ramped up the tests, one can be absolutely sure that they will increasingly be using testers with poor, clumsy and careless technique.

199516 ▶▶ Christopher, replying to crimsonpirate, #1081 of 1969 🔗

Two guys I work with have been very ill with cold / flu on separate occasions this year , both of them were convinced they had Covid and due to various reasons decided to get tested , both came back negative .
Make of that what you will.

199363 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 9, #1082 of 1969 🔗

Ever since the first lockdown I’ve had a story/idea in my head.

It’s about a couple who have an ill child. They both decide to give up their jobs and use up all their existing savings and spend all their time caring for the child.

Eventually the money runs out and they realise that one or both of them need to go back to work in order to be able to keep caring for their child.

This is what has happened in the UK and other countries, but it’s taking some longer to realise that both parents can’t stay at home forever and still be able to care for the child.

199384 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Nobody2020, 7, #1083 of 1969 🔗

My vision is of a man in his expensively well-furmished house.

He pursues a wasp around the house with a hammer, smashing vases, china, furniture, windows and everything – all to no avail

199425 ▶▶▶ Ricky R, replying to calchas, 6, #1084 of 1969 🔗

The infamous fly episode of Breaking Bad springs to mind. Walter spends hours trying to kill an insignificant fly “contaminating” his meth lab. In the process he injures himself and has a complete emotional breakdown whilst Jesse looks on in confusion at why he’s putting himself through hell over a fly.

199434 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Ricky R, 3, #1085 of 1969 🔗

We’re all Jesse now.

Je suis Jesse.

199987 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Mr Dee, #1086 of 1969 🔗

Not all of us. Some of our leaders are more like Gustavo Fring.

199395 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 9, #1087 of 1969 🔗

From Sky “NHS England has reported 94 more coronavirus-related deaths, bringing the total to 31,275..Patients were aged between 49 and 97, and all but one, aged 71, had underlying health problems.” 71 is the biblical three score and ten plus one. And yet more misery for lots of us.

199409 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to arfurmo, 3, #1088 of 1969 🔗

Around 6% of average daily deaths. Terrifying stuff.

199422 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Achilles, 2, #1089 of 1969 🔗

many false positives, and deaths of old age. still no excess deaths, so no pandemic going on

199452 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to steve_w, #1090 of 1969 🔗

See above re. the term ‘pandemic’.

199486 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to arfurmo, 1, #1091 of 1969 🔗

Ok. So back down under 100 and % wise well under 10 %. What gives ? Yesterday’s number were monster, can’t just be a weekend lag. What they playing at ?

199510 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Leemc23, 1, #1092 of 1969 🔗

The deaths were announced yesterday because they’d been registered yesterday, but may have occurred up to seven days or more previously.
I’m guessing, here, but that’s usually how it works.

199396 Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 12, #1093 of 1969 🔗

This is REALLY important. I received this as I’m a subscriber to Rebel News (based in. Canada). They’ve been doing something similar in Melbourne, to great effect.

“Millions of Brits are being treated like prisoners, locked in their own homes, banned from going out in public or even running their own businesses.

They’re even coming after the pubs!

The ever-changing lockdown regulations are bizarre and unscientific and punitive. And they’re being written by a ruling class that doesn’t follow the rules themselves.

And it’s getting worse.

Just this week, the First Minister of Wales effectively put 3 million Welsh citizens under house arrest for two weeks — banning any gatherings at all, indoors or outdoors. That’s called “solitary confinement” and it’s a form of torture.

I’ve set up a new website called http://www.FightTheFines.co.uk . Any Brit who gets a pandemic ticket or a fine or who is arrested can go to that website and fill out a form with the details of their case. Where the case has merit, we’ll crowdfund a civil liberties lawyer to fight the fine in court.”

“1. Please forward this email far and wide. Tell your friends to visit http://www.FightTheFines.co.uk . We have to let people know the plan.

2. If you (or someone you know) has received an unreasonable lockdown fine, simply use the form on the website to tell us the details . Our lawyers will be in touch to get the facts of your case for court. And we’ll tell your story in the court of public opinion, too.

3. And finally: if you can, please help us crowdfund to pay for the team of lawyers . I have worked with our lead lawyer before, and he’s outstanding. We have lawyers in London and Manchester, and we’ll help you wherever you are in the UK. “

199432 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Mr Dee, 3, #1094 of 1969 🔗

Many Thanks!

199517 ▶▶ annie, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #1095 of 1969 🔗

Sounds really good.

199402 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 10, #1096 of 1969 🔗

A common question sceptics ask is how many people do you personally know have died from this killers disease. My body count is zero and I know about 150 people.

Next question to ask is how many celebrities, politicians, household names etc do you know have died from C19. The only person I have heard of is Eddy Large and he was in hospital with heart failure.

199410 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Smelly Melly, 6, #1097 of 1969 🔗

I’ve said this before but in my 40+ years of life I’ve never known anybody to have died of flu and flu has killed far more people in my lifetime than C19 has.

199418 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #1098 of 1969 🔗

It almost killed my wife back in 70s – there was an epidemic apparently… not that anyone noticed (apart from my wife and the other thousands affected by it).

199445 ▶▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Mr Dee, #1099 of 1969 🔗

True, I don’t remember it. Spent my time at Led Zeppelin concert’s etc instead!

199433 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Nobody2020, 2, #1100 of 1969 🔗

Which is exactly what I’ve said here, and I’m in my sixties.
I know people who’ve been very ill with the flu, but none who died from it.

199469 ▶▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to Nobody2020, #1101 of 1969 🔗

No well you wouldn’t not many people die of flu they are usually very old, have lots of other things wrong with them catch flu develop pneumonia and then die of that. But they started counting those as flu deaths to encourage the uptake of the vaccine.
Does the vaccine do much well excess winter deaths are down since it became more common but not sure that is really doing many people any great favours.

199416 ▶▶ Locked down and out, replying to Smelly Melly, #1102 of 1969 🔗

The wonderful Tim Brooke-Taylor, apparently.

199419 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Smelly Melly, #1103 of 1969 🔗

I vaguely remember hearing about some American ex-sportsman who died with Covid-19 but I think he was in his 80s. Completely agree, a real plague would have countless well know people dying.

199420 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Darryl, 3, #1104 of 1969 🔗

if it was a real pandemic we wouldn’t need convincing – it would be obvious

199450 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to steve_w, 2, #1105 of 1969 🔗

Spot on.

The thing about the term ‘pandemic’ – which has been used to throw a scare into the naive – is that it was deliberately redefined by the WHO so that it now has no reference to the virulence of a disease – only to its geographical spread.

… So a common cold virus can be a ‘pandemic’ if it spreads widely.

… and Covid (even accepting inaccurate figures) never reached accepted ‘epidemic’ levels in the community.

… Then we have the mortality figures, which show that 2019/20 was not an outstandingly severe infection season – and one where deaths had returned to a low normal by June after a spike in April.

…. Then we had the explicit downgrading of SARS-CoV-2 (in March) from its designation as a ‘High Consequence’ disease.

… And now we have mortality tracking the (historically low) 5-year autumn average.

… and, even using the hyperbolic distortion of PCR positives, the Chuckle Brothers’ ‘exponential’ projection has been quickly dispatched into the realms of pure fiction.

Conclusion in brief : The ‘official’ narrative is absolute bollocks.

199421 ▶▶ dpj, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #1106 of 1969 🔗

The singer John Prine is about the most well known person I can think of (but hardly a household name to most people) and he was elderly and not in best of health.

199426 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Smelly Melly, #1107 of 1969 🔗

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deaths_due_to_COVID-19

Wikipedia list of people who’ve apparently died from/with it.
And I’ve not heard of most of them either.

199443 ▶▶▶ dpj, replying to Lms23, 3, #1108 of 1969 🔗

Going through the list I spotted Eddie Large (78), Norman Hunter (ex footballer age 76) , John Prine (73) , Dave Greenfield (member of The Stranglers 71), Toots Hibbert (musician 77) but no one else I recognised. I did notice one person who was ‘serial killer’! As per usual all the ones I recognised in 70s with existing health issues.

199519 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Smelly Melly, 5, #1109 of 1969 🔗

Exactly. To that I would add, are we tripping over dead bodies in the street: no; are supermarket workers dropping like flies: er … no; are mortuaries unable to cope: not that we have heard of and we would; similarly, are funeral directors overwhelmed: again not that we have heard of; are obituary sections in local newspapers running to several pages: er … no again …

199527 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Smelly Melly, #1110 of 1969 🔗

As a jazz fan, I know of two: Lee Konitz aged 92 and Ellis Marsalis aged 85. Various other jazz musicians have died in recent months but not attributed to Covid.

199537 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Smelly Melly, #1111 of 1969 🔗

and remember, these deaths are still subject to the “with/of” doubts
Obviously MSM will all highlight the covid aspect and underlying conditions will be overlooked, so the ultimate question is how many have died from covid.

199546 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Smelly Melly, #1112 of 1969 🔗

I’ve looked at the Wikipedia list and found 3 more jazz or similar musicians: Henry Grimes (84), Hal Willner (64), Manu Dibango (86). Willner is the only “not so old” one.

199403 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, #1113 of 1969 🔗

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40068719.html

Only in Northern Ireland 🙁

For the benefit of the wide audience, Poots (the minister concerned) is an ardent believer in another cult – that of Creationism.

199513 ▶▶ annie, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #1114 of 1969 🔗

Creationist? Then he’s immune to facts, common sense, logic, evidence and reason.
The perfect zombie.

199630 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Ewan Duffy, #1115 of 1969 🔗

Nothing wrong with Creationism as long as you don’t use it to affect other people’s lives. My missus still believes in Santa Claus (not a joke)

199415 Tiberius, 23, #1116 of 1969 🔗

Well done to Toby and the FSU for their part in the Darren Grimes case. The Met have now dropped the case.

199417 John P, replying to John P, 9, #1117 of 1969 🔗

Indeed, hospital admissions for all respiratory illnesses in the North West were about half the five-year average at the end of September. What looks to be happening is that elderly patients who would normally be admitted for flu and pneumonia are being admitted for COVID-19 instead.

I’m yet to be convinced – given how unreliable the PCR tests are – that those being “admitted for Covid-19” actually have the disease at all.

And I think the confusion has been inadvertently added to here by drawing a disctinction between pneumonia and covid-19, as pneumonia is a complication of both influenza virus and SARS-CoV-2 virus infections.

199428 ▶▶ John Galt, replying to John P, 5, #1118 of 1969 🔗

I agree. Especially with the CDC admitting that they don’t even have the virus:

“Since no quantified virus isolates of the 2019-nCoV are currently available, assays [diagnostic tests] designed for detection of the 2019-nCoV RNA were tested with characterized stocks of in vitro transcribed full length RNA…”

The key phrase there is: “Since no quantified virus isolates of the 2019-nCoV are currently available…”

Every object that exists can be quantified, which is to say, measured. The use of the term “quantified” in that phrase means: the CDC has no measurable amount of the virus, because it is unavailable. THE CDC HAS NO VIRUS.

A further tip-off is the use of the word ‘isolates.” This means NO ISOLATED VIRUS IS AVAILABLE.

Another way to put it: NO ONE HAS AN ISOLATED SPECIMEN OF THE COVID-19 VIRUS.

NO ONE HAS ISOLATED THE COVID-19 VIRUS.

THEREFORE, NO ONE HAS PROVED THAT IT EXISTS.

As if this were not enough of a revelation to shock the world, the CDC goes on to say they are presenting a diagnostic PCR test to detect the virus-that-hasn’t-been-isolated…and the test is looking for RNA which is PRESUMED to come from the virus that hasn’t been proved to exist.

Click here for the article analysing it

Click here for the CDC report

It seems more likely that the PCR tests either a) don’t actually work at all, hence all the random false positives or b) just pick up bits of other virus in your system.

199438 ▶▶▶ 2 pence, replying to John Galt, 1, #1119 of 1969 🔗

“The shocking thing about the above [CDC journal] quote is that using their own methods, the virologists found that solutions containing SARS-CoV-2 — even in high amounts — were NOT, I repeat NOT, infective to any of the three human tissue cultures they tested. In plain English, this means they proved, on their terms, that this ‘new coronavirus’ is not infectious to human beings. It is ONLY infective to monkey kidney cells, and only then when you add two potent drugs (gentamicin and amphotericin), known to be toxic to kidneys, to the mix.”

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=215284

199490 ▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to 2 pence, #1120 of 1969 🔗

NOT, infective to any of the three human tissue cultures they tested. In plain English, this means they proved, on their terms, that this ‘new coronavirus’ is not infectious to human beings. It is ONLY infective to monkey kidney cells, and only then when you add two potent drugs (gentamicin and amphotericin), known to be toxic to kidneys, to the mix.

That isn’t what it means. The ability to grow, or now grow, a virus in a special tissue culture in a petri dish doesn’t prove that it does not doesn’t infect living human tissue,in the bidy.

199515 ▶▶▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to Richard Pinch, #1121 of 1969 🔗

I agree with your points. I think its pointless trying to say ‘this’ coronavirus hasn’t been fully investigated. Its true but neither have many other ‘common cold’ virus but we know they exist.
The main point is that the distinguishing feature of ‘this’ coronavirus , the protein spike’ is shared by other cornavirus and the PCR test cannot distinguish between them. For all we know the spike may also be shared by other ‘common cold’ virus in addition to the ‘cold’ 4 coronavirus , we just don’t know

199715 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to peyrole, 1, #1122 of 1969 🔗

My understanding is that the PCR test is sensitive not to the protein spike but to the genetic material.

199446 ▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to John Galt, 1, #1123 of 1969 🔗

The PCR tests pick up RNA strands which may be dormant and multiply them millions of times so that an introduced agent is picked up by light sensitive equipment if the RNA contains the protein spike supposedly from ‘this’ cornoavirus. However the protein spike is common to at least the 4 other coronavirus that make up part of the population of virus we call the common cold. So postive tests can be false, they can pick up common cold virus or they can pick up ‘dead’ RNA where the person tested is not infected. Or indeed because its impossible to analyse 300,000 PCR tests per day manually without impurities and cross sampling , they are just worthless.
The ONS tests are more thotough on a very much smaller sample, but the new ‘quickies’ will be far worse. No one anywhere has done a Quality evaluation, because no-one in charge of this fiasco wants to know the answer. In the past EQAs have varied between 0.8 and 4%, I doubt the Pillar 2 tests are better than 10%. Which means with an IFR of less than 1% in the general population the FPR would be somewhere like 90%. In any event taking the most optimistic numbers , ie IFR of 0.62% ( latest ONS number) and 0.8% FPR ( best EQA over last 2 decades for PCR test) it still gives false positives of about 50%.

199464 ▶▶▶▶ John Galt, replying to peyrole, 1, #1124 of 1969 🔗

So they’ve found a protein spike which they believe to be from this virus, (contained within an RNA) then the PCR test amplifies everything to such a level that if any RNA contains that protein spike, it will flag as a positive? So if someone had a common cold say 2 months ago, which shared the protein spike they believe to be covid-19, the PCR test would pick that up as a positive? Whereas in actuality what they should be doing is to isolate the entire virus and then only test for the virus in it’s entirety?

Is that right? You’ve explained it well, I just want to make sure I’m not misinterpreting!

199503 ▶▶▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to John Galt, 1, #1125 of 1969 🔗

Yes that is correct.

199479 ▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to John Galt, #1126 of 1969 🔗

Since no quantified virus isolates of the 2019-nCoV are currently available,

… begins a report on PCR dated 15 March. So seven months ago, the Institut Pasteur did not possess a quantified sample. That says precisely nothing about what the CDC has now.

Every object that exists can be quantified, which is to say, measured. The use of the term “quantified” in that phrase means: the CDC has no measurable amount of the virus, because it is unavailable.

Funnily enough, I have no quantified samples of uranium U235 in my possession, and I’m pretty sure that none is available to me. Does that mean that it doesn’t exist? Obviously not. Oh, and quantified does not mean “a measurable quantity” in this context, it means an exactly measured and calibrated sample.

199534 ▶▶▶▶ John Galt, replying to Richard Pinch, #1127 of 1969 🔗

Yes, you’re right, they appear to have isolated it as of May:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/lab/grows-virus-cell-culture.html

So can you explain how the testing works? There seems to be differing views.

199624 ▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Richard Pinch, #1128 of 1969 🔗

If your job was to measures U235 you would have wouldn’t you?

I think the problem is that originally the CDC didn’t have a specimen and ran with more uncertainty which quickly solidified into fact

199792 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to mhcp, #1129 of 1969 🔗

… and if it so happened that it was in short supply, I might write something along the lines of “no quantified samples of U-235 are currently available”.

199430 ▶▶ RickH, replying to John P, 6, #1130 of 1969 🔗

I’m pretty sure that’s the correct analysis, John.

As said many times – trusting ‘Covid’ numbers is like trusting an e-mail message from a needy ‘Nigerian’ asking for money.

It’s now more obvious than ever that data is being deliberately fudged and fictionalized, so that the true picture of a pretty normal October can be blown up into a continuing crisis.

199424 swedenborg, 1, #1131 of 1969 🔗

https://www.scb.se/en/About-us/main-activity/history-of-statistics-sweden/
Sweden .Death statistics available from 1764.See history in the link above.
https://twitter.com/MLevitt_NP2013/status/1318792368095592449
“This is really terrific & recommenced analysis of Sweden’s burden of death. Scientists may deny that Sweden’s approach was a success but no one who knows data can deny that Swedish has the best data. Could there be a correlation between data quality & policy? I think may be
This is the twitter-thread Levitt is referring to. Can you spot the most deadly pandemic in 100 years?
 https://twitter.com/HaraldofW/status/1318260208054030338

199439 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 7, #1132 of 1969 🔗

The two-week ‘lockdown’ that isn’t.

(Telegraph live feed):

Scotland coronavirus rules extended for a third week

Pubs and restaurants in the central belt of Scotland are to remain closed, Nicola Sturgeon confirmed at the Scottish Government’s daily virus briefing.

The First Minister said the measures she introduced at the beginning of October, that were meant to last for two weeks, are now set to carry on through to November 2.

They were due to end on October 25, and also forced the closure of snooker and pool halls, indoor bowling, casinos and bingo halls in the central belt, with a 6pm indoor curfew brought in for hospitality businesses elsewhere in Scotland.

199444 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Tenchy, 6, #1133 of 1969 🔗

It’s never just a few weeks is it ?

199460 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Leemc23, 3, #1134 of 1969 🔗

See drakefords stupid idiotic fire break be widened. The clowns who dreamed up the term did so knowing that two weeks is a pointless duration by their own terms – not reasonable in the first place of course.

Drakeford is currently letting time of one week elapse before firstly having press handlers drip out the idea of ectension then at the start of the second week he will pulpit up to speak to his people and tell them of the planned extention.

It could not be more obvious.

199511 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Basics, 3, #1135 of 1969 🔗

Its going to be extended until the flu starts to ramp up then it will extended due to the unprecedented situation well into the until the next year. No return to “normal” until everybody get the vaccine and the app. Then still no return to normal because of the unprecedented situation means you all have to go an live in a concentration camp.

199454 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1136 of 1969 🔗

Yes. Del8berately misled into the lickdown, 3 weeks to flatten curve is now being repeated. The Burnham diversion is there to distract from the same game plan being operated again. The stakes are higher now than in March, more already businesses will fail.

Burnham et al have signed up for the same plan. The short lockdown to be extended.

Don’t anybody ask why the need to extend – is it because the short lockdown hasn’t caused enough death and or suffering – or is it because under the the lockdown ‘cases’ continue to rise because that is the function of pcr tests to provide high numbers of false positive results named cases? Just don’t ask about that.

199470 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Tenchy, 5, #1137 of 1969 🔗

My poor dad just likes a game of bowls. It’s the only fitness he gets and a hobby that he loves and has played for 30 years. He was absolutely devastated with the news that we are not getting back to normality on Monday.

These deadlines that constantly get moved are sick. They create false hope and are in my opinion a form of mental torture.

199494 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to JHuntz, 5, #1138 of 1969 🔗

Mental torture is the whole idea.
Makes people more desperate to get it to stop, e.g. take an unlicensed, insufficiently tested vaccine with who knows what in it.

199471 ▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1139 of 1969 🔗

Shocked I tell you shocked

199573 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1140 of 1969 🔗

How will people react when we get to the big anniversary, 23 March 2021, and (as I expect) many restrictions are still in force?

199979 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Edward, #1141 of 1969 🔗

We’ll just get more guff about how it’s lasting so long because people aren’t following the rules. By then, 2022 will be the magic year in which all the restrictions end, instead of 2021.

199441 earthkiss, replying to earthkiss, 31, #1142 of 1969 🔗

Manchester Here.

Just answered the door to 22 (he told me) year old man wearing a face mask.

I challenged him as to why he was wearing it and got back a snearing reply “C O V I D duh!”.

“It’s not that dangerous”, I said

Laughs of muffled derision emanated from behind the mask.

“The pandemic is over”, I continued.

Eye rolls ensued.

I lifted my hands in a welcoming gesture and offered up the plea… “hear me out for one moment”.

He obliged me although somewhat begrudgingly.

“Do you listen to the BBC”?

“No”

“Where do you get your information”?

Shrug….

“Social media”? I postulated.

“Yeah that’s right”

“OK, so why do you think we are going into Tier 3? Is it because the hospitals are nearly overrun and we have to protect the NHS?”

“Well yes of course”

I then proceeded to explain the actual facts of hospital ICU cases in our area and how the current situation compared to normal.

I also gave my sources; Andrew Gwynne out local MP and my own personal research, namely me phoning up Blackpool Victoria hospital and speaking to the receptionist who informed me they were no where near overrun with 8 cases.

I also went on the tell him that I’d passed on this information to Alex Belfield who he knew of and trusted wouldn’t have mentioned it on his youtube channel if he hadn’t thorougly checked it out himself due to not wanting to be cancelled.

By the end of the exchange I asked the young man why he had changed from a snearing position to a fully agreeing that the stats were being cooked position, to which he denied originally sneering!

We ended the conversation very politely.

What can we learn from this?

Young people are getting close to all their information from social media and not the BBC.

Sewing seeds feels good 😉

199465 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to earthkiss, 2, #1143 of 1969 🔗

Well done, so are you going door to door earthkiss?

199532 ▶▶ mjr, replying to earthkiss, #1144 of 1969 🔗

but social media viewpoints are driven by BBC, C4 and other MSM
but otherwise, a good Road to Damascus story!!

199689 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to mjr, 1, #1145 of 1969 🔗

Social media gives you what it thinks you are into. So I see a lot of sceptic stuff. It’s just echo chambers everywhere. You have to take it in the contect in which the info is presented

199448 Ceriain, 15, #1146 of 1969 🔗

Sorry it’s long, but I’m angry at their lies. Feedback on the new ‘staging’ page:

“The figures that appear on these pages are those used by the mainstream media (MSM) to report the ‘news’; they are also shared widely on social media.

The government has a duty to provide the people with accurate information – knowingly publishing inaccurate information only leads to suspicion and accusations of government scaremongering.

Testing

These are supposed to be pages for the public to gain information; publishing raw test numbers is entirely meaningless, especially given some people are tested multiple times – start showing numbers of people tested instead. Include the number of people who are being tested multiple times.

As a slight aside (not expecting this to be included on the daily pages); when is the government going to inform the public on test methodology, e.g. How many CT cycles are being run for tests? What’s the False Positive (FP) rate? You’ve been testing for 7 months, so you know what it is; the people should be told .

Cases

Stop calling this headline number ‘cases’; they aren’t cases, nor are they infections – they are positive test results.

A huge number of the positive test results are from people who are asymptomatic, and/or not infectious in any way, and will never need to see the inside of a hospital, and/or need any medical treatment whatsoever. As stated, above – they are not cases !

As per testing above; the government knows how many of these test results are False Positives – remove these from the total !

Cases by area

“Total number of people with at least one lab-confirmed positive COVID-19 test result since the start of the pandemic in each area.”

A cumulative number for the whole epidemic period is meaningless – show the numbers for the last month, or week, instead.

Healthcare

Patients admitted to hospital

Show only the number of people who are physically admitted to hospital needing to be treated for Covid-19 , not just those tested positive for it. (FP caveat applies here, too.)

Stop including people who are already in hospital being treated for other illnesses who test positive in this number; these are not admissions . Nor are they Covid-19 patients; merely patients who have tested positive.

The ‘Admissions’ and ‘Diagnoses’ numbers in the October 2020 COVID Publication on this page: https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-hospital-activity/ suggests that you are doing just this.

Patients in hospital

As above, this number should only show people who are being treated for Covid-19. It should not include all patients in hospital who have at some time tested positive, (FP caveat applies here, too.), but are being treated for something else.

This number, like the ‘Cases’ and ‘Admission’ numbers, is/are simply alarmist. They give the impression that hospital are filling up at exponential rates, when the truth is that nothing of the sort is happening.

Patients in mechanical ventilation beds

The MSM give the impression that ‘patients in mechanical ventilation beds’ are all on ventilators. This is most likely not true.

Break the number down; show how many patients are on ventilators, on CPAP, or simply being treated with oxygen.

Deaths

Deaths within 28 days of positive test by date reported, Deaths within 28 days of positive test by date of death

Both of these sections used to have the caveat “ The actual cause of death may not be Covid-19 in all cases ” posted in the description.

Why was this removed ? The numbers currently posted suggest ALL the people who have died reported in these figures DID die of Covid-19. Obviously, this is not true.

Break this down! Post accurate figures! Post a breakdown of those who died of Covid-19 and those who died with Covid-19.

Deaths within 28 days of positive test by area

As per ‘Cases by area’ above; a cumulative number for the whole epidemic period is meaningless – show the numbers for the last month, or week, instead.

Summary Page

If you intend to have a Summary page of some sort, include on it some simple, straightforward facts that ‘ordinary’ people can relate to. R numbers are meaningless, especially when they are calculated using inaccurate date.

Show the mean and median age of deaths in the UK; show a breakdown of deaths by age, and use actual ‘raw’ numbers, not meaningless percentages . Some articles in the press have previously posted polls suggesting the public have no idea of how many people have actually died.

In conclusion, as stated above, the statistics posted on these web pages are the numbers used in the MSM and on social media; the fact that they are widely inaccurate is, in some areas of the press/social media, leading to accusations of government fearmongering. If this virus is as dangerous to the whole population,
as the government claims it to be, there should be no need to publish ‘massaged’ data.”

199451 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 14, #1147 of 1969 🔗

More balderdash from politicians (Telegraph live feed – my emphasis):

South Yorkshire Tier 3 news: Dan Jarvis admits leaving Tier 3 in 28 days ‘very challenging’

Dan Jarvis, the MP for Barnsley Central and Mayor of the Sheffield City region, has told Press Association:

Right now, there’s an urgency about transitioning into Tier 3 so we had to get on with it and the deal that I accepted, I think, gives us a reasonable chance of supporting our economy.

We’ve worked incredibly closely together. I think [leaving Tier 3 in 28 days] will be very challenging, given the pressures of winter. But that’s what we’ve got to aim for.

Let’s not be defeatist about it. Let’s renew our efforts. Let’s move heaven and earth to ensure that all of our local authorities have got a fighting chance of coming out

What do these people think they can do about a virus? They must be living in cloud cuckoo land!

199457 ▶▶ Mel, replying to Tenchy, 13, #1148 of 1969 🔗

I’ve just been out for lunch just outside Barnsley and there is a LOT of scepticism on show.

199495 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Tenchy, 5, #1149 of 1969 🔗

My God what a pillock. Move heaven and earth. When will these bird brains get it into their thick skulls it’s futile.

199521 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1150 of 1969 🔗

Thing is – Jarvis has no real democratic mandate. The S. Yorkshire/Sheffield City Region set-up was never agreed by any form of plebiscite for such a constitutional change.

So he can just f. off.

199453 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 20, #1151 of 1969 🔗

I had a customer round today, a guy in his mid to late 60’s we had the covid chat. He wears a mask, he comes from a background where he used to wear em in old folks homes so he ain’t bothered. It stops the droplets he said. My facts got him rattled..I could see his eyes widening with fear. He had no repost. He wanted to get away from me fast!

He said he was doing a U3A zoom meeting tomorrow night to discuss:
“Vacine Deniers and Anti-Maskers”
I said I would be up for speaking at his event. He said “mike” has views like I do. He said he would have to get permission from the group. Can’t see that happening and I can’t do zoom either and really don’t want to either. I don’t think I will get an invite.

199456 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1152 of 1969 🔗

Might be interesting if you did.

199473 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Nick Rose, 7, #1153 of 1969 🔗

It would be. I have never used zoom, I don’t have a web cam either. I really don’t want to do zoom as I see it as a vital enabler of the covid scam.
Perhaps I could just do zoom audio.

199482 ▶▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1154 of 1969 🔗
199498 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Lms23, 2, #1155 of 1969 🔗

lol what a Wa(&^r

199501 ▶▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Lms23, 3, #1156 of 1969 🔗

Uh oh i’ll need to make sure my camera is off in future

199506 ▶▶▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Lms23, 1, #1157 of 1969 🔗

I found out by accident the other day that Zoom has a “caption” mode. It is pretty good at doing speech recognition for a wide range of accents.

I wonder if Zoom stores these for future repercussions

199564 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #1158 of 1969 🔗

sure they do. That’s what its all about. Transcribing speech and analysing it with AI. Twitter is for text. Same process.

199505 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1159 of 1969 🔗

Yes. Here too.

199518 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Two-Six, #1160 of 1969 🔗

i have done a zoom.. it is possible to access a meeting from an invite via a web page without downloading anything.
then you can select video/mike so you could just do it as voice only

199463 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Two-Six, 11, #1161 of 1969 🔗

Well they are slowly killing themselves with the masks and many of them will become seriously ill when they volunteer to take a rushed vaccine, so they can bait us with such feeble cult epithets during their self-congratulatory meetings all they want.

199475 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Richard O, 1, #1162 of 1969 🔗

Yep, just let them die, we will be better off without them

199474 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Two-Six, 2, #1163 of 1969 🔗

It’s a cult, like the Nazis you cannot reason with them

199476 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1164 of 1969 🔗

If you do join in, you might point out that we’re not anti-vaccine per se, we’re anti vaccine additives, such as aluminium and mercury derivatives, and anti-rushed-without –proper-clinical-trials vaccines, e.g. thalidomide or the flu vaccine that caused narcolepsy.

From another post:
What concerns some people about the more modern vaccines is what they put into them other than attenuated or dead virus, e.g. gelatin, thimerosal, and Polysorbate 80? And why do some vaccines contain aluminum?

“Thimerosal, an organic mercury compound that is metabolized to ethylmercury and thiosalicylate, has been used since the 1930s as a preservative in some vaccines. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) regulations require that preservatives be used in multidose vials of vaccines, except live viral vaccines, to prevent bacterial and fungal contamination (General Biologics Product Standards, 2000), which can lead to serious illness and death in recipients (Wilson, 1967). In addition to its use as a preservative, thimerosal is used as an inactivating or bacteriostatic agent in the manufacturing process for some vaccines. Uses other than as a preservative contribute little to the final concentration of thimerosal in vaccines (Ball et al., 2001). In this report, when the committee refers to thimerosal-free vaccines, it includes vaccines that contain only traces of thimerosal (<0.5 µg Hg per dose) left over from the manufacturing process.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK223724/

"Although many vaccines contain active ingredients that are strong enough to kick our immune system into gear, some need a little bit of extra help to be effective.
Adjuvants are compounds that elicit a strong immune response, improving how well a vaccine works.
Examples of adjuvants include: metals, oils ,biological molecules, such as components isolated from bacteria and synthetic DNA

Aluminum, in the form of aluminum salt, features in a variety of vaccines, including several routine childhood vaccines. Scientists believe that this adjuvant increases the production of antibodies.
Aluminum is a naturally occurring metal that has many uses aside from its adjuvant properties. Cans, foil, and some window frames contain aluminum.
Aluminum salts are also used in the food industry as additives."

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/327198#Adjuvants-make-vaccines-stronger

199492 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Lms23, 3, #1165 of 1969 🔗

Speaking personally I am against a rushed vaccine that might be unsafe for a disease that is not dangerous enough to warrant such a rush, especially given that the vaccine may well not protect those most vulnerable

199504 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Julian, 1, #1167 of 1969 🔗

Apart from that, it’s ok!
Maybe?

199483 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1168 of 1969 🔗

That particular U3A lot are a nasty bunch – I wouldn’t bother!

199489 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to CGL, 2, #1169 of 1969 🔗

Happy clappers the lot of them I shouldn’t wonder.

199508 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Two-Six, #1170 of 1969 🔗

My mum went once and never again.

199455 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 14, #1171 of 1969 🔗

Coronavirus: Lung cancers ‘may have been misdiagnosed as COVID’ during pandemic
http://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-lung-cancer-deaths-during-pandemic-may-have-been-misdiagnosed-as-covid-12110063

When the only disease at the front of every doctor’s mind is Covid-19 and the staff on the end of a 111 call are diagnosing over the ‘phone without clapping eyes on the patient, is it any wonder that lung cancer, heart disease and strokes are being missed?

199500 ▶▶ annie, replying to Margaret, 1, #1172 of 1969 🔗

And which is more likely to kill you?

199509 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Margaret, 2, #1173 of 1969 🔗

main symptom of lung cancer – a persistent cough
main symptom of covid – a persistent cough

what a surprise !!!
and what do they prioritise ?
Surely any persistent cough should be checked for cancer ?

….

199610 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Margaret, 1, #1174 of 1969 🔗

All the more reason for a post-mortem to be carried out on every single ‘Covid’ death!

199643 ▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Margaret, #1175 of 1969 🔗

When all you’ve got is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. The old adage applies perfectly here, much to the public’s detriment.

199648 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Margaret, #1176 of 1969 🔗

The number of “Covid” deaths precisely mirrors the usual number of flu and pneumonia deaths, which have dropped to almost zero. Isn’t it blindingly obvious that doctors on phones are misdiagnosing in order to feel important?

199459 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 5, #1177 of 1969 🔗

I just came across this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45F44ZuwL50
As he says – forget the over-the-top conspiracy theories. This is about MONEY.

199461 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Banjones, 9, #1178 of 1969 🔗

It’s sickening the punishment these people are willing to put the general population through for the sake of money and power.

199472 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Banjones, 9, #1179 of 1969 🔗

Been saying this for ages, as has the missus. Whether, or not, there is a big conspiracy behind it all, I don’t know, but I do believe the tories, aided and abetted by Labour, SNP, councils/first ministers all over the UK are stealing huge amounts of public money.

199462 Steeve, replying to Steeve, 6, #1180 of 1969 🔗

Increased anxiety -New policy – Do not make tea and coffee for work colleagues. Where am I?

199477 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Steeve, 2, #1181 of 1969 🔗

It’s fine as long as you don’t spit in it but we need to be mindful that showing consideration and kindness to others can kill them, a prerogative which belongs only to Government.

199496 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Hieronimusb, 1, #1182 of 1969 🔗

I’d love to reply ‘Bosch’ to that, but sadly I agree with you!

199542 ▶▶ Sceptic-on-Sea, replying to Steeve, 2, #1183 of 1969 🔗

We’ve already been told sweet tins are banned at Christmas..oh and to be mindful about decorations too. Sigh. I’ve taken unpaid leave until January. It is just too depressing, can’t be part of it.

199570 ▶▶ Suitejb, replying to Steeve, 1, #1184 of 1969 🔗

Another ‘rule’ no one takes any notice of!

199480 Jay Berger, replying to Jay Berger, 22, #1185 of 1969 🔗

Germany’s Hancock, Jens Spahn, eho runs around with a (useless pseudopatriotic cloth) mask 99% of the time, has just tested positive.
Which should be the nail in the coffin of the ‘masks protect’ fantasy, and the final vindication for Trump shunning it.
If they had any sense left, they’d ditch mandatory masking with immediate effect.
Sadly, they probably don’t.

199485 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Jay Berger, 19, #1186 of 1969 🔗

To which the zealots will respond: “ They don’t protect you, they protect others from you.

‘Tis the magical one-way filtration system.

199571 ▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Richard O, #1187 of 1969 🔗

Which has been discarded through Spahn’s infection as well, as unlike Trump, he was only ever mingling with similarly masked up people.

199487 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Jay Berger, 6, #1188 of 1969 🔗

It’s not sense they lack it’s humility, honesty, courage, integrity

199493 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Julian, 6, #1189 of 1969 🔗

and anything else that could be described as a virtue.

199514 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Julian, 4, #1190 of 1969 🔗

And intelligence

199524 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to CGL, 5, #1191 of 1969 🔗

It depends how you define intelligence. I expect they would score above average on an IQ test, some of them way above average. But character flaws make clever people do stupid things.

199533 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Julian, 3, #1192 of 1969 🔗

Those who believe absurdities, will commit atrocities….

199554 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Jay Berger, 2, #1193 of 1969 🔗

This news made my day.

199481 6097 Smith W, replying to 6097 Smith W, 3, #1194 of 1969 🔗

Apparently Michel Barnier is coming to accept Boris’ Brexit surrender I wonder if he will be required to self isolate?

199484 ▶▶ Julian, replying to 6097 Smith W, 7, #1195 of 1969 🔗

Essential worker, so no. Politicians are doing essential work destroying the world.

199559 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to 6097 Smith W, 1, #1196 of 1969 🔗

Considering both of them have had it, what would be the point?

199488 CGL, 4, #1197 of 1969 🔗

Mr CGL has just said that Ivor Cummins is on Triggernometry tonight at 7pm.

199512 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 2, #1198 of 1969 🔗

Moving from Tier 3 to Tier 2 prompts the mandatory wearing of face coverings in communal spaces in secondary schools.

However, Government’s own guidance dams them. “ Nationwide, the government is not recommending face coverings are necessary in education settings generally because a system of controls, applicable to all education environments, provides additional mitigating measures…..”

But apply Tier 2 and it becomes; When an area moves to the local COVID alert level ‘high’ or ‘very high’, in education settings where year 7 and above are educated, face coverings should be worn by adults (staff and visitors) and pupils when moving around indoors, such as in corridors and communal areas where social distancing is difficult to maintain. As in the general approach, it will not usually be necessary to wear face coverings in the classroom, where protective measures already mean the risks are lower, and they may inhibit teaching and learning.

So, unless I am misunderstanding – the move of tiers does not reduce the already established control measure of social distancing, communal areas where social distancing is difficult to maintain should have already been risk assessed and reduced, so the addition of masks is neither necessary or even logically applicable assuming that no change happens with the control measures in place.

So the conclusion is that the face covering bullshit is there as a political move. But schools are not allowed (legally) to be political. And if it’s a risk assessment then they have to be aware of the harm that masks present, even if it’s mentally.

If anyone with a bigger brain than me wants to unpick this, please help, as I am half inclined to legally challenge the mask mandate.

199522 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Leemc23, 21, #1199 of 1969 🔗

Masks are a compliance test, a psychological transformation ritual and a tool to increase illness in the general population. Nothing more, nothing less.

199530 ▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Richard O, 1, #1200 of 1969 🔗

Gessler’s hats, like the Hitler salute.

199675 ▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Jay Berger, 3, #1201 of 1969 🔗

We need a pro forma legal letter, to be signed.by the person making masks mandatory i.e. school / employer, admiitting unlimited legal liability for any and all harms caused by the mask.
Once we start printing them off for signing by them, (after all if its only a mask what’s the problem etc) watch the pushback.
Skin in the game and all that.

199549 ▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to Richard O, 5, #1202 of 1969 🔗

Ive been saying that for months. If people stop wearing them the government will realise the game is up

199756 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Richard O, #1203 of 1969 🔗

And a stick for zombies to beat humans with. Your child is dangerous, wrap it in plastic.
Zombies hereabouts see children as walking bags of infection that should never be allowed out of the house. A right to education? Nonsense.
And Dripfeed is responding by imprisoning all secondary school pupils over Year 8 in their own homes. A duty to educate? Nonsense.

199952 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Richard O, 1, #1204 of 1969 🔗

‘There is a pandemic, so we are required to wear masks’.
‘But how do we know there is a pandemic?’
‘Because we are required to wear masks.’

199523 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Leemc23, 8, #1205 of 1969 🔗

100% political theatre

199556 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Julian, 1, #1206 of 1969 🔗

Indeed it is. I need to keep pushing back, which I will, but I am struggling to frame my response in a meaningful way as the actual guidance is completely inconsistent it’s hard to pick apart.

199582 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Leemc23, 2, #1207 of 1969 🔗

Well, you can ask them for links to hard evidence masks work, and also for their risk assessment on the potential harms

The burden of proof is on them, not you

199633 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Julian, 3, #1208 of 1969 🔗

Unfortunately the burden of proof, along with all rationality, has gone by the wayside. I learned in Philosophy 101 that the burden of proof is on “he” (this was in the pre-woke era) who asserts the positive. You can’t prove a negative, but logical fallacies appear to be winning the day at the moment.

199529 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Leemc23, 16, #1209 of 1969 🔗

Face coverings for children and in school are child abuse.
Nothing else.
Eventually, the people who mandated this and those who executed thode mandates on tje various premises will go to trial and be punished.

199557 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Jay Berger, 4, #1210 of 1969 🔗

That’s what I want to try to do, legally challenge the mask mandate and let someone evidence how the small benefits (if there are any) were never weighed up against the risks. That’s what should have always happened. Do no harm.

199833 ▶▶▶▶ Sodastream, replying to Leemc23, #1211 of 1969 🔗

I’m really interested in what you propose to do Leemc23 as I will not be allowing my year 7 child to wear a mask as per new school regs (we’ve been moved to tier 2 ).
I have links to articles I got off here and have told school he won’t be wearing one but they haven’t replied and now we’re on half term. A legal challenge is definitely needed and I’m insterested to follow your process.

199551 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Leemc23, 5, #1213 of 1969 🔗

Saw a VERY interesting interview with a German doctor today, via Klagepaten. Workers who have to wear face coverings as part of their job, like paint sprayers, have to undergo a physical to assess if they are healthy enough, how long they can wear them etc. Then another consultant who works with air quality measuring, and he spoke about risk assessments which have to be carried out. Training records on how to fit a mask. Breaks need to be adhered to and recorded. Ok. these are different masks, but it is incredible how the face covering has suddenly become the solution to everything.

199568 ▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Silke David, 2, #1214 of 1969 🔗

There are strict Arbeitsschutzverordnung guidelines reg. the use of medical masks at the workplace as well, e.g. max. 2 hours followed by a 30 minute break etc..

199590 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Silke David, 1, #1215 of 1969 🔗

Normal.

To use the breathing apparatus for poisonous gas jobs, fire teams etc we have the same – FIT tested, medical checks, full breathing and lung function tests and so on.

199520 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 11, #1216 of 1969 🔗

Cheer up guys! Think of all the good stuff that’s happening, you know the……err……uhm……give me a minute…..hold on…………….no I’ve got nothing.

199525 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Achilles, 6, #1217 of 1969 🔗

The revealing of everything that was once hidden is about the best I can come up with.

No small matter this, we are literally living through the greatest apocalypse.

199526 JME, replying to JME, 51, #1218 of 1969 🔗

Thought I’d share this as my first story on the site (hope it’s not too long & boring!)
Just had a minor scratch repaired in the car at home. The email I received from the company prior to the appointment was absolutely incredible: I was told that the technician would text me from the van on arrival. I was then to leave my house, leave the car keys somewhere safe, retire back into the house & text the technician that the coast was clear.
The technician, masked & gloved of course, could then venture onto my driveway, get the keys & do the work. He was then to leave the keys after sanitising them in the safe place, retire to his van & text me that the work was finished. I was then allowed to leave the house, check the repair was satisfactory & text him my appreciation before he left.
Fortunately, absolutely none of this happened: unmasked, ungloved he knocked on the door & we had a long chat on the drive about how ridiculous everything is- totally sceptical (as is virtually everyone I speak to!)

199538 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to JME, 15, #1219 of 1969 🔗

Welcome aboard – crazy world.

I’ve got someone turning up to fix a cordless vacuum cleaner (it’s a Bosch one – it broke after about 4 uses, I think the battery is fucked) next Friday.

I was asked on the phone whilst making the appointment if I or anyone in the household has tested positive for Covid-19.

Luckily, I managed travel forward in time to next Friday and asked myself if I was ill or had come into contact with anyone who had tested positive in the meantime, and I said that I hadn’t, so I already knew to say “No”. But by then the whole country had been shut down and non-essential visits to households were banned, so it looks like I’ll just have to buy a new one.

199548 ▶▶▶ JME, replying to captainbeefheart, 5, #1220 of 1969 🔗

Ha! Ha! Thanks for that. Hope the replacement’s not too expensive!

199541 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to JME, 9, #1221 of 1969 🔗

I find it kind of funny that people/companies think every person has a mobile phone. My land line does not do text messages.
And if my mobile is on, I am pay as you go, and would not waste my credit on something like this.

199594 ▶▶▶ watashi, replying to Silke David, 1, #1222 of 1969 🔗

same here.

199544 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to JME, 29, #1223 of 1969 🔗

My experience is that people who do manual jobs are just getting on with life as per the real normal:
Car serviced today (independent garage not at main dealership which may be significant), no messing with masks, no communications through sodding great plastic screens, bottle of sanitizer on the counter looking almost untouched and unloved;
central heating engineers came a few weeks ago, not bothered about masks;
builder three or so weeks ago, similarly unmasked.
Maybe the fact that they are practical people, accustomed to weighing and mitigating risks (I wouldn’t want a CH engineer who didn’t!) speaks volumes.
Or to put it another way, perhaps the people who come up with all the stupid rules need a taste of the real world.

199553 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 9, #1224 of 1969 🔗

Found that too, windows fitted, internal doors, no masks, chatting as normal, just getting on with life.

199747 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #1225 of 1969 🔗

Our piano tuner spotted the notices on my car, so knew not to even think if calling at my door in a face nappy.
Said he knew people who literally haven’t been outside their houses since February.

199555 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 5, #1226 of 1969 🔗

You’ve heard of the smug “working from home” lot, I’m sure.
No reflection on “genuine” office staff.

199567 ▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Fingerache Philip., 14, #1227 of 1969 🔗

Absolutely. It’s the great social divide now.
I actually worked for 10+ years for a company that instituted mandatory WFH (they just got rid of the offices) very early on. I saw what the isolation means socially and at a corporate level – it turned into a sick company with a constant stream of people on extended leave with stress and depression.
The smug workers from home won’t be so smug when it bites them.

199615 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 2, #1228 of 1969 🔗

Can you see anyway back from this situation?

199679 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ bucky99, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #1229 of 1969 🔗

Part of the working from home brigade, here. Much of it good, couple of major downsides:
1. Actual human interaction & laughs with colleagues
2. It’s much harder to upskill younger/less inexperienced members of staff

Hoping we’ll get back to a nice balance, 2 or 3 days in, 2 or 3 at home.

199708 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to JME, 4, #1230 of 1969 🔗

I had a repaired car brought back to me on the same basis. Funnily, I also had to return the hire car and couldn’t start it. 3 of us, me, driver and mate, were clustered together over the steering wheel trying to work out how to get the car to start! Zero social distancing, nobody bothered.

199742 ▶▶ annie, replying to JME, 2, #1231 of 1969 🔗

You really have to wonder about the mentality of the tossers who make up these rules. They belong in a sitcom, or do I mean shitcom?

200268 ▶▶ John Ballard, replying to JME, 1, #1232 of 1969 🔗

Had a locksmith out this week and the same no mask or gloves or any of the crap just got on with it and as sceptical as me.

199536 chaos, replying to chaos, 15, #1233 of 1969 🔗

I’m really struggling. Finding it difficult to switch off from it. I so admire people who are just getting on ignoring it all. I’m bacl on antideps and so panicky.. I guess I Iack resilience. But so many awful things have happened this year.. loss of pet.. county lines dealing next door… total isolation at one point cos people bought into the lies.

199550 ▶▶ John Galt, replying to chaos, 15, #1234 of 1969 🔗

Perhaps distance yourself from it completely for a bit. I find that it can become all encompassing. When I start getting that “wired” feeling (not sure how to describe it, but it’s similar to when you’ve been playing a videogame for way too long. Kind of a dopamine overdose) I know that it’s time to pull back a bit. Aside from the obvious of exercise, meditation and just doing mundane jobs like painting the fence or gardening, I’ve actually found watching films quite helpful. Over the past week or two I’ve been watching bad horror films, they’re strangely relaxing!

199560 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to chaos, 11, #1235 of 1969 🔗

You are not alone in feeling life is difficult so don’t reproach yourself for lack of resilience.
Maybe it’s time to walk away from this site for a few days, and indulge in a little self-love instead.
If you’ve a hobby you can pursue, give that a go; or read some escapist fiction; or watch a funny film (on DVD, not online because the algorithms will probably offer you covid-related materials); treat yourself to something you like to eat. Can you go for a walk or run? I’ve been painting the landing walls and doors. Just lose yourself in the moment for a while and forget this shitstorm for a while.
Good luck!

199898 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 2, #1236 of 1969 🔗

Excellent advice.
I ride my horse, walk the dog, dig the garden, read children’s books, practise the piano. ..all sorts of things that the Fascust bastards can’t touch – and if they try to, I’ll kill them.

199565 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to chaos, 2, #1237 of 1969 🔗

My remedy is to watch the many and varied Russian dramas on Amazon Prime.

Really worth watching, plenty to choose from and not a smidgeon of pc nonsense.

Are your local cops any use in dealing with the county lines activities?

199575 ▶▶ chaos, replying to chaos, 4, #1238 of 1969 🔗

My mum needs an operation.. she’s going to France to get it done privately.. impossible in UK.. too much stress….

199685 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to chaos, #1239 of 1969 🔗

Wishing her well, Chaos. I echo everyone else’s advice to find something else to lose yourself in. It takes a bit of determination at first to resist doomscrolling but you can do it. I too have been watching bad horror films(,never usually my thing) and managed to get quite engrossed in a bit of family history research (free trials on family history sites).

Also talking books from local library while I’m doing jobs around house/garden so my hands and brain are busy at the same time. I used to be an avid podcast listener but even they have been taken over by Corona bollx ads!

Do not beat yourself up for having a normal human reaction to abnormal circumstances.

199579 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to chaos, 4, #1240 of 1969 🔗

I find it tough too, have to get away from this periodically otherwise it would get too depressing. Work is a good distraction, until that enrages me (for totally unrealted reasons) then I switch back. If all else fails, they are still making Scotch, even if they’re not allowed to drink it in Scotland anymore.

199699 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to zacaway, #1241 of 1969 🔗

lol can’t do alcohol at moment.. just makes me tearful.

199592 ▶▶ watashi, replying to chaos, 2, #1242 of 1969 🔗

chaos, can you get away? have a break from things? you would be welcome to
visit us in the midlands.

199696 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to watashi, #1243 of 1969 🔗

thank you

199670 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to chaos, 2, #1244 of 1969 🔗

Where are you based chaos? I have met up with fellow sceptics from here and found it really helps to talk face to face with like minded people. If you are anywhere near Oxfordshire/Berkshire I would be more than happy to meet up. I am sure there are others that would also do the same if geographically better located.

199695 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Sarigan, #1245 of 1969 🔗

I’m in Berkshire…

199735 ▶▶ l835, replying to chaos, 1, #1246 of 1969 🔗

Hang on in there, I often share your feelings, but we know what the governments game is, and we know it’s unsustainable. Politicians are openly squabbling with each other now, and the cracks are showing. The public know they are being lied to, and realise the rules don’t make sense. Just a matter of time now.

199781 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to chaos, 1, #1247 of 1969 🔗

Doubt if you lack resilience. Don’t forget that many who project a positive and chilled approach are often anything but inside.

Maybe need to contact other LDS near you?

199539 Mel, replying to Mel, 14, #1248 of 1969 🔗

People will have to live with virus ‘forever more’ A member of the UK government’s scientific advisory group has told MPs that people will have to learn to live with the virus “forever more”.
Epidemiologist Prof John Edmunds said it was an “almost certainty” that a vaccine will help to manage the epidemic in the “not-too-distant future”.
But he also said: “There is very little chance that it’s going to become eradicated.”
He also warned the second Covid-19 wave would lead to tens of thousands of deaths.
Prof Edmunds, of the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, told a select committee things were “getting to the point where the health service will be under strain in much of the North in the next few weeks”.
He said: “There’s no way we come out of this wave now without counting our deaths in the tens of thousands”

I’ll be fact checking that later. Tens of thousands. Really?

199543 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Mel, 7, #1249 of 1969 🔗

The Thousand Year Covid Reich. Not a chance.

199547 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Mel, 3, #1250 of 1969 🔗

If the gullible go to hospital with a sore throat they will be admitted, even if its just overnight, all to add to the numbers

199727 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Dan Clarke, #1251 of 1969 🔗

And die in their tens of thousands?

199558 ▶▶ Jane in France, replying to Mel, 12, #1252 of 1969 🔗

I’ve noticed that the dodgy scientists who don’t come from Imperial College are usually from the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine.

199584 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Jane in France, 12, #1253 of 1969 🔗

I’m glad I’m not the only one who’s spotted this, Jane. Whenever I see an ‘expert’ from either of these two places I just turn right off. Nothing but lies from both these organisations.

199587 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Jane in France, 5, #1254 of 1969 🔗

There’s a revolving door between these two institutions. Edmunds was previously at ICL from what I can see.

199694 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Mel, #1255 of 1969 🔗

If by “wave” he means “winter” and by “deaths” he means “deaths with, not of” – perfectly possible.

199711 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Mel, #1256 of 1969 🔗

Maybe, if they reclassify all flu and pneumonia deaths as covid.

199941 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to stewart, #1257 of 1969 🔗

Welcome to the NHS Self Diagnosis Helpline. Please use your keypad to report your symptoms. Once you have made your selection, press ‘hash’ and your case will be added to the daily government statistics. Press 1 if you have symptoms of Covid. Press 2 for symptoms of Long Covid. Press 3 if you don’t have any symptoms, but think you might have Covid anyway.

199732 ▶▶ Sceptical Lefty, replying to Mel, #1258 of 1969 🔗

So what’s the argument against herd immunity if the deaths are inevitable? How can current policy be justified?

199782 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Mel, 1, #1259 of 1969 🔗
  1. As we all know, the health service is under strain every winter and these days, pretty much every summer too.
  2. There probably will be tens of thousands of deaths attributed to Covid, since you don’t actually need to die from Covid or even have symptoms to be recorded as a Covid death.

So he probably will be right – but for all the wrong reasons.

199540 Dan Clarke, 21, #1260 of 1969 🔗

The pharma industry lost a lot of money on the swine flu ‘pandemic’ because they didnt have full control over the narrative and the people. This time they are making sure they keep the FEAR at 100%, the masks to cause trouble for those who are aware of the truth and don’t wear one. The low mortality rate is obvious so they are now talking about things like ‘long covid’ to keep it going until they make their money on the vaccine.

199545 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 5, #1261 of 1969 🔗

I’ve always held the belief that experts in many fields are incentivised to make things appear more complicated/serious than they are in order for people to require their expertise.

Is it possible that some experts during this pandemic are doing just that?

199569 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Nobody2020, 6, #1262 of 1969 🔗

More than possible, certain. They are at the centre of attention, people listen to them, they are important, they have power, they are in the pandemic business, this is their 15 minutes. Who’d want to give it up?

199577 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Nobody2020, 6, #1263 of 1969 🔗

The problem is, many/most of them are not ‘experts’, they are no more than shills for a particular ‘scientific’ narrative that is set by their funders.

199588 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #1264 of 1969 🔗

Likely.

199642 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Nobody2020, 11, #1265 of 1969 🔗

My father was a GP and took an extremely dim view of doctors who joined committees and became medical officers or the like. In his opinion they were either failed doctors with chips on their shoulders or frustrated megalomaniacs who used medicine as a pretext as they fought for power. Little Hitlers, in other words.

199644 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Nobody2020, 7, #1266 of 1969 🔗

Why did the scarecrow win the Nobel prize? Because he was out standing in his field.

Aaaand I’ll get my coat.

199552 fiery, 6, #1267 of 1969 🔗

During the time I worked for the NHS I was always incredulous about the level of intelligence and ability to apply basic common sense among some of the staff I worked with. This story confirms my worst fears. TBH I’d have blocked the number after the second call once I’d told the numpties what I thought if them.
Incidentally the two numbers T&T will contact you on are: 0300 015 5000 and 0300 123 7790. I’ve already put the second into my phone and blocked them.

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199561 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 41, #1268 of 1969 🔗

At the very least the pig dictator has stolen 8 months of our lives

We have been subjected to detention without trial, mass punishments, theft of our assets, and financial ruin

He has conspired with others to cause the unlawful mass death and torture of Her Majesty’s subjects

He has perpetrated child abuse on a national scale

He must be taught a lesson that will strike fear in the hearts of all future politicians

His fate must be so unpleasant that no-one ever considers doing this again

199583 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Cecil B, 11, #1269 of 1969 🔗

Politicians, SAGE committee, Met Commissioner, and maybe 5% of the collaborators should be tried. I know what sentence I would call for, but let’s have the trial first.

199728 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #1270 of 1969 🔗

If we must.

199599 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Cecil B, 17, #1271 of 1969 🔗

Once the leadership have been dealt with, I would go after the collaborators.

Social media should end up being an invaluable source of evidence for the prosecution teams. Anyone who posted anything in favour of any of the measures or propaganda should be subject to trial and punishment. The more the posts, the greater the punishment. This will include TikTok dancing videos, for which I would reserve the punishment of immediate dismissal and lifetime exclusion from all healthcare work.

199636 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1272 of 1969 🔗

Tower Green

199661 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Cecil B, 6, #1273 of 1969 🔗

He’s smirking because he knows you want this but can’t make it happen. Essentially the agenda is to destroy your self-respect by reducing you to a ball of imploded impotent hate. While they smirk.

199682 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1274 of 1969 🔗

Just consider the full implication of the following statement :

“A known serial liar and self-pleasurer with narcissistic tendencies that can seriously be defined as ‘psychopathic’ was supported by the majority of the media, and was democratically elected at the last election.”

What does that say about the populace?

199726 ▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to RickH, 2, #1275 of 1969 🔗

That he was democratically elected.

199892 ▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to stevie119, #1276 of 1969 🔗

Hitler was elected

199749 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 2, #1277 of 1969 🔗

I guess we thought that there were enough checks and balances to prevent him doing massive harm. We were wrong, though to be fair the circumstances are unusual. I will consider electing more on character than on policies, in future, if I ever vote again.

199773 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to RickH, 3, #1278 of 1969 🔗

Pretty much the same as it says about the populace after the 2001 GE. Then they went and voted for him again in 2005. Different psycho.

Just sayin’.

199562 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 10, #1279 of 1969 🔗

I’m reading a book about the Knights Templar’s and at the point of their fall by the Inquisition and King of France. I’ve come to the conclusion all sceptics are heretics.

Heretics are to be shunned and despised because by their/our actions and deeds they/we will bring down the wrath of God onto the whole world. So there you have it I’m a heretic.

199563 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Smelly Melly, 3, #1280 of 1969 🔗

Happy with that.

199578 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Smelly Melly, #1281 of 1969 🔗

There’s a TV series about the Knights Templar called Knightfall that may interest you. It’s on Netflix if you have it.

199581 ▶▶ Dave Tee, replying to Smelly Melly, 3, #1282 of 1969 🔗

I remember a landmark 1970s TV series dubbed into English – Les Rois Maudits – The Accursed Kings – dealing with Phillipe Le Bel, the Knights Templar, and all that. Some of it seems to be on youtube, subtitled into English if you hunt around.

199593 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Smelly Melly, #1283 of 1969 🔗

I’ve got several books on the Templars, all fascinating. Malcolm Barber’s are very good for detail.

199627 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #1284 of 1969 🔗

Suits me.

Heretic I am.

The wrath of God onto the Earth will be welcome as we will be the only ones saved.

199632 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #1285 of 1969 🔗

Weren’t protestants called heretics by the catholic church?
Huguenots for instance.

199767 ▶▶ annie, replying to Smelly Melly, #1286 of 1969 🔗

The trial of the Templars was a cynical ploy by a depraved pope and a corrupt king (Philippe le Bel) to get their filthy paws on the Templars’ wealth.
The last Grand Master is said to have cursed the king from the stake. The royal line perished soon afterwards. Pure coincidence, of course.

199566 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #1287 of 1969 🔗

Daily Mail: Passengers chant ‘Off off off!’ after British lawyer argues with EasyJet crew over face masks.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8862701/Passengers-chant-British-lawyer-argues-EasyJet-crew-face-masks.html

199586 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Tom Blackburn, 8, #1288 of 1969 🔗

Another tripartite cult chant. Reminiscent of “Sieg Heil!”.

I will never fly again.

199631 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Richard O, 1, #1289 of 1969 🔗

I have no choice other than to travel, and I would appreciate it if governments started actually working together to facilitate sensible international travel – not mass tourism – rather than slamming shut borders and obsessing with intimidating their own populations

199653 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #1290 of 1969 🔗

I’m quite in favour of mass tourism too. 🙂

199744 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #1291 of 1969 🔗

Why is tourism not sensible?

199664 ▶▶ richmond, replying to Tom Blackburn, #1292 of 1969 🔗

Only two or three of them.

199733 ▶▶ annie, replying to Tom Blackburn, #1293 of 1969 🔗

Disgusting. Catch me getting on to a stinking plane with a mob of zombies.
What law applies on an Easyjet plane btw?

199743 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to annie, #1294 of 1969 🔗

I wondered about that myself – does it depend on the airport of departure or arrival, or the domicile of the carrier, or can they do what they like?

I think there is a distinction too between scheduled and charter flights – scheduled flights are undertaken by “common carriers” – open to all, and as such should not discriminate. Charter flights are “contract carriers” and may have more leeway.

199762 ▶▶▶ TomFaz, replying to annie, 2, #1295 of 1969 🔗

I flew Easyjet to Stockholm a month ago. Had a big argument at the gate at Gatwick as I didn’t have a mask. Was told I needed a doctor’s letter and that my lanyard and badge were not good enough, despite Easyjet policy being that they should have been. Eventually the question was referred to higher authority and only after all other passengers had boarded did I finally get permission to fly. Boarded plane feeling ten feet tall and thoroughly enjoyed the flight as the zealous cabin crew constantly ticked off my fellow passengers for letting their masks slip! The return flight was no trouble, no one said anything either at the gate or on boarding the aircraft, although I was again the only unmasked passenger. Cabin crew much more relaxed and apart from occasional announcements about wearing masks did not harass people.

199574 wendyk, 3, #1296 of 1969 🔗

https://thecritic.co.uk/arise-sir-ed-saviour-of-kings-college-london/

Another good piece in The Critic about King’s College’s Principal and his many invaluable contributions to diversity, inclusivity, freedom of correct and permissible speech and suppression of inconvenient truths about his six figure salary plus perks.

Worth reading.

199596 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1297 of 1969 🔗

Demo taking place in London now. No police, After they have freed Nigeria perhaps they could free us

https://youtu.be/DjS7-mjsYro

199626 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to Cecil B, 6, #1298 of 1969 🔗

Anti lockdwn protests get the full riot police treatment. Shia Muslims, BLM and this lot get a few friendly coppers.
Political policing?

199672 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Andy Riley, -10, #1299 of 1969 🔗

Give over on the narrow-minded sectarianism. This is far too serious for pathetic, divisive resentments and axe-grinding.

199830 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to RickH, 2, #1300 of 1969 🔗

valid comparison of the different attitude of the police to different groups of protesters. I dont think the police would stand by and allow an anti lockdown protest to go on for 5 hours

199853 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 1, #1301 of 1969 🔗

Give over on the narrow minded political correctness.If protesters get selective preferential treatment from our morally corrupt police and authorities, then it’s absolutely right to point it out, and far too serious to be shouted down as an inconvenient truth.

199628 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1302 of 1969 🔗

If the protesters are wearing masks, then it is not a protest. It is an approved pro-government rally.

199600 TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 13, #1303 of 1969 🔗

Superb Yorkshire common sense (h/t Guido):

https://youtu.be/YjIdkCkRMr4

199603 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 2, #1304 of 1969 🔗

Brilliant!

199612 ▶▶ Crazy Times, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 1, #1305 of 1969 🔗

Amazed the BBC showed that! I bet it had sneers from the studio after – she probably voted for Brexit.

199621 ▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 1, #1306 of 1969 🔗

Superb.

199625 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 5, #1307 of 1969 🔗

Good for her; looks well for her age, too.

199650 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1308 of 1969 🔗

And she is still alive!! and looks healthier than the zombies walking past in the background!

199637 ▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 5, #1309 of 1969 🔗

Love that girl! Nearly as much as the lady I saw sitting at the rear of a bus in my town maskless and smoking a fag!

199638 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 1, #1310 of 1969 🔗

Look at the couple in the background each wearing an utterly pointless plastic face shield. Crazoo.

I suppose it is a display of some civil disobedience and at least not a mask.

199655 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to stefarm, #1311 of 1969 🔗

Civil disobedience? Hardly. MW

199673 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 1, #1312 of 1969 🔗

Yeah, I know, I was feeling charitable.

199678 ▶▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to stefarm, #1313 of 1969 🔗

You big softie! MW

199709 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 1, #1314 of 1969 🔗

On reflection, fuck em.

199660 ▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 4, #1315 of 1969 🔗

Legend! ‘I’m 83, I don’t give a sod.’

199665 ▶▶ RickH, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, #1316 of 1969 🔗

Indeed – but leave out the sentimental ‘Yorkshire’ common sense – there’s just as many arseholes here as anywhere else.

199751 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 2, #1317 of 1969 🔗

“And who’s going to pay for it? All the young ones. Not me, coz I’m going to be dead.”

Absolutely top drawer!

199604 PaulC, replying to PaulC, 2, #1318 of 1969 🔗

Please can anyone explain the apparent rise in deaths being attributed to Covid19 (241 yesterday and 191 today)? For weeks the ONS was showing deaths from ‘flu as being a much greater cause of death than Covid. I am aware that overall deaths are ‘normal’ for this time of year – so what is going on?

199613 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to PaulC, 1, #1319 of 1969 🔗

I understand that deaths from flu, colds, pneumonia, Covid are to be classed the same.

199717 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Smelly Melly, #1320 of 1969 🔗

Evidence?

199617 ▶▶ dpj, replying to PaulC, 1, #1321 of 1969 🔗

I’m fairly sure it’s the usual ‘died within 28 days of testing positive’ with lots of false positives / they’ve actually got a cold or flu. It would not surprise me if a large percentage of these supposed covid deaths are actually due to flu.

199703 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to dpj, -8, #1322 of 1969 🔗

There aren’t lots of False Positives.

199720 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Mayo, #1323 of 1969 🔗

On what basis do you make that claim?

199759 ▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to OKUK, #1324 of 1969 🔗

Don’t rise to the bait

199787 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to stefarm, -1, #1325 of 1969 🔗

Read the response.

199786 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to OKUK, -1, #1326 of 1969 🔗

The ONS survey. During the summer the survey was picking up barely 0.03% of positive cases. Even if every single case was a False positive that is still a very small proportion (3 in 10000)

199619 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to PaulC, #1327 of 1969 🔗

Number of deaths of people who had had a positive test result for COVID-19 and died within 28 days of the first positive test.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/deaths

Edit: Sorry, dpj, looks like we cross-posted. 🙂

199640 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to PaulC, #1328 of 1969 🔗

Most of it appears to be due to date of reporting. The numbers by date of death are levelling off. You can see the difference if you click on the deaths graph and it takes you to the more textured analysis.

199646 ▶▶ RickH, replying to PaulC, 3, #1329 of 1969 🔗

Keep using the PCR test; keep cycling the sample; keep testing … and you are bound to get a positive.

Simple.

199721 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to PaulC, #1330 of 1969 🔗

The figures you are noting are NHS figures, the collation of which is ???????????? these are not the figures the ONS present. The most definitive figure on deaths is, in my view, the weekly ONS report of registered deaths, this as you say and as noted in this newsletter indicates that total deaths are about average and that respiratory deaths (now including Covid) are about normal for the time of year.

199734 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Steve Martindale, #1331 of 1969 🔗

Is it the NHS figures that the government and the media publish, daily?

199605 THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 9, #1332 of 1969 🔗

Sorry about the delay in the next podcast episode. Work has been nuts for all the team of late and we’re trying to juggle everything. THERE WILL be a Halloween special though! See you then!

199609 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 7, #1333 of 1969 🔗

According to the Guardian (so must e true) the 2nd wave will result in 10’s of thousands of deaths. So still not close to the 500k we were told about at the beginning of this scamdemic.

199622 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Smelly Melly, 12, #1334 of 1969 🔗

If we ever needed further proof of the depths of depravity against which we are fighting, it is the fact that they are salivating at the prospect of more death purely to prove that they are right.

199620 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 13, #1335 of 1969 🔗

When sending the FOI requests to tend evolved Parliaments end this to their First Ministers and Health ministers. No answers or acknowledgements as yet but no surprise there:

part 1:

I wish to thank you on behalf of the UK Government for you putting Wales into yet another population incarceration.

It is a masterly plan to continue the on-going campaign of fear-mongering and psychological propaganda against the population and that contains thinly veiled threats of “do as you are told or else we will punish you, for your own good of course”.

Basically you have no scientific evidence to support your stance other than “do it because we tell you to”.

You are deliberately confusing a positive test with an actual person suffering from Covid-19.

This is blatantly wrong.

I received a FOI request answer from the Department of Health and Social Care Reference FOI-1240596 and it stated that a positive PCR test means nothing medically.

The actual quote: “SARS-CoV-2 RNA means the RNA is present in that sample at that point in time. It does not mean that the patient has the novel coronavirus (COVID-19).”

The full FOI request and answer is available if you wish it.

It also linked to a document that in conclusion stated that the PCR tests being used are unreliable, had high false positive rates, could not be verified against an actual confirmed case of covid-19 and had not been verified in a medical or hospital setting.

The full FOI answer is available from myself if you require it.

PCR tests are also, as admitted by their inventors, not a diagnostic tool nor a quantitive test and should not be used as such in any circumstances.

So with this in mind I sent FOI requests to both Newcastle-Under-Lyme Borough Council and Staffordshire County Council, amongst others but also which are relevant to the Welsh Assembly, asking:

1 – based on the above statements how can a positive PCR tests be termed as a “case” medically?

2 – based on the above statements how can positive PCR tests be used as a justification for local lockdowns and other general restrictions?

3 – based on the above statements how can positive PCR tests be used as a justification for enforced self-isolation of individuals tested “positive”?

4 – based on the above statements how can positive PCR tests be used as a justification for enforced self-isolation of those who have been in “close contact” with an individual who tested “positive”?

5 – based on the above statements how can positive PCR tests be used as a justification for closing down or fining a business when customers have been tested “positive”?

6 – please supply the official document(s) and guidance (not the legislation but the supporting documentation) that DHSC has supplied to local Councils that justify local lockdowns, business closures and isolation of segments of the population based on an unreliable test that does not mean the person is infected with anything, that has high false positive rates and no independent verification the results are correct?

7 – please supply the official document(s) and guidance that DHSC has supplied to local Councils that allow the PCR tests to be used as a diagnostic tool/test that is outwith it’s intended use by it’s inventors.

I received back the following answers which to the credit of both authorities was within 2 days and was honest and truthful. These answers were:

In response to your request for information, I write to advise you that Newcastle Borough Council does not hold the requested information and as such you will need to re-direct your enquiry to Staffordshire County Council

And from Staffordshire County Council:

Regarding Questions 1 – 5

I am advised by the relevant council team that we do not hold information and that you should contact the Department of Health and Social Care again, or Public Health England.

Regarding Questions 6 and 7

The relevant council team have advised that no such documents have been received or held by the council.

So neither local authority has any evidence, either from their own research or supplied by central Government to justify calling a “positive” test a “case” in medical terms and no justification for any measures they take to enforce any legislation they have powers to use other than “we were just following orders”.

The way the PCR tests are being performed for the Government is also highly controversial and seems to be, yet again, deliberately done in a way that maximises the “positives” regardless of how accurate they are thus inflating the numbers of false positives to artificial highs.

My own research shows that the recommended number of cycles to run for the test is 30-35. The Government is running the tests at 45 cycles (confirmed from the test manufacturer’s own website and from Government guidelines on their own website) and this will, to quote a researcher “get a positive test from a banana”.

199623 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 21, #1336 of 1969 🔗

Part 2:

My own research shows that the recommended number of cycles to run for the test is 30-35. The Government is running the tests at 45 cycles (confirmed from the test manufacturer’s own website and from Government guidelines on their own website) and this will, to quote a researcher “get a positive test from a banana”.

So we have the situation where a test that is inaccurate, cannot be double checked against a “gold standard” comparison, is unreliable, is not a diagnostic tool and cannot diagnose if someone is suffering from the virus or not is being run to create high numbers of false positives that are then being reported as cases which are then used to justify restrictions and legislation that have no or very little evidence that is mostly circumstantial to show that they will work.

Now you might just, possibly, understand why I called your actions “fear-mongering and psychological propaganda “ at the beginning.

I have also been in correspondence with the British Medical Association about their stance on mask wearing for the population in general and in their truthful and honest answer to me they say:

We appreciate that this is an area in which there is little high-quality empirical evidence. There is, for example, a lack of randomised control trials showing that mask wearing is effective (either indoors or outdoors).

Full e-mail correspondence available on all others points raised as well.

So it will be very interesting, if you decide to answer this e-mail, exactly what your science is to justify your actions in further imprisonment of your populations and the on-going destruction of the Welsh economy.

199635 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Awkward Git, 8, #1337 of 1969 🔗

Of course : you will receive no intelligent answer.

… because intelligence blows apart the whole official narrative.

199647 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to RickH, 18, #1338 of 1969 🔗

Only doing it to keep myself amused while finding a part time job as it keeps me out from under the wife’s feet and getting one her nerves.

Don’t expect any of the useless fuckers to answer.

The FOI requests are getting useful ammunition against the narrative though.

199692 ▶▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1339 of 1969 🔗

Thanks! So grateful for this clear info on PCR testing that I can use with ‘the believers’

199701 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Marialta, #1340 of 1969 🔗

Little bit on today’s UK Column re PCR tsting and the number of cycles. Worth a watch

199740 ▶▶▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1341 of 1969 🔗

I really admire you and your efforts. I try to nail the bastards down too, so often it’s just a parrot reply or a brick wall I hit.

199897 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Awkward Git, #1342 of 1969 🔗

You’re doing a good job. I’ve been doing a bit of email writing myself to MPs etc and also spreading sceptic info on social media, Youtube etc as much as possible. I don’t kid myself it makes much difference, but it all helps to chip away at the narrative.

199645 ▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #1343 of 1969 🔗

Keep hammering away at them…

Tony Bliar hates FOI requests…

https://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/opensecrets/2010/09/why_tony_blair_thinks_he_was_a.html (_an_idiot.html)

199681 ▶▶▶ 2 pence, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1344 of 1969 🔗

This :
The figure below reported in Bullard shows how the probability of SARS-CoV-2 infectious virus is greater (the red bars) when the cycle threshold is lower (the blue line) and when symptoms to test time is shorter – beyond 8 days, no live virus was detected.
The lower the cycle threshold level the greater the amount of RNA (genetic material) there is in the sample. The higher the cycle number, the less RNA there is in the sample.
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/infectious-positive-pcr-test-result-covid-19/

We were surprised to note the absence of viral load data in this study. 1 Although the use of sensitive PCR methods offers value from a diagnostic viewpoint, caution is required when applying such data to assess the duration of viral shedding and infection potential because PCR does not distinguish between infectious virus and non-infectious nucleic acid.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30868-0/fulltext

199737 ▶▶ annie, replying to Awkward Git, #1345 of 1969 🔗

Thanks for addressing our Welsh Wankers, AG!

199766 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1346 of 1969 🔗

Thanks for all you do to grind these bastards down, it’s much appreciated.
You might wish to reword questions 1-5 though. As they are, these questions aren’t asking for specific information held on record and that is the whole point of FOI. If you change it to something along the lines of the following it will make it harder for them to give an ‘information not held’ brush off.
As the response from the DHSC states “SARS-CoV-2 RNA means the RNA is present in that sample at that point in time. It does not mean that the patient has the novel coronavirus (COVID-19).” Please provide any documentation explaining how a positive PCR test can be termed as a “case” medically.
I hope this helps, I’ve dealt with FOIs so I know how the system works!

199651 Henry, replying to Henry, 4, #1347 of 1969 🔗

https://www.rt.com/news/504174-covid-vaccine-astrazeneca-volunteer-dies/

Developing story on Oxford vaccine trial mortality.

199659 ▶▶ Crazy Times, replying to Henry, 5, #1348 of 1969 🔗

28 years old. I can see big pharma starting to get cold feet over this. It’s going to be a very public and costly disaster when they rush it out and the shit really hits the fan.

199663 ▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Crazy Times, 3, #1349 of 1969 🔗

Reputationally yeah, but legally I believe they’ve got indemnity?

199754 ▶▶▶▶ Crazy Times, replying to Tee Ell, #1350 of 1969 🔗

AZ certainly do, I imagine any other company with a government deal in place will have the same.

https://www.europeanpharmaceuticalreview.com/news/125517/astrazeneca-receives-protection-from-covid-19-vaccine-liability-claims-report-says/

199702 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Crazy Times, 3, #1351 of 1969 🔗

They’ve never had such a spotlight thrown on vaccine development. Whilst the prospect of making trillions from an annual CV vaccine is no doubt pulling them in the thought of public scrutiny of vaccination must make them queasy.

199706 ▶▶▶ assoc, replying to Crazy Times, 1, #1352 of 1969 🔗

Remember Thalidomide. I was at school with some of the mutilated survivors

199712 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Crazy Times, 1, #1353 of 1969 🔗

Never stopped them on swine flu

199785 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Crazy Times, 1, #1354 of 1969 🔗

isn’t shit hitting the fan another recognised symptom of covid?

199667 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Henry, 2, #1355 of 1969 🔗

The first totally needless death of many hundreds of millions worldwide. This is what it will take to begin to change the closed minds.

199687 ▶▶ guy153, replying to Henry, 3, #1356 of 1969 🔗

Yikes he actually died of C19. Enhancement? Or maybe he had the placebo– they aren’t even stopping the trial and you’d think they would if it was potential enhancement.

199765 ▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to guy153, 2, #1357 of 1969 🔗

Sky are saying he was on placebo. Though v unusual for a 28 yo to die of COVID unless underlying conditions, and underlying conditions usually mean you wouldn’t be in the study, surely?

199834 ▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Sophie123, #1358 of 1969 🔗

Yes I also just heard he was on the placebo. Very unusual for someone his age to die of C19 though. It will make the vaccine look good though when the results are published.

199925 ▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Sophie123, #1359 of 1969 🔗

It’s very rare to die at 28 even with underlying conditions. If they were life-threatening as you say you wouldn’t expect him to be in the trial. Very strange.

If it hadn’t been confirmed that he was on the placebo I would actually have judged it more probable that he was on the real thing based on the unknown probability of enhancement. But I’m not saying they would lie about it. Nothing to be gained and everything to lose.

199690 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Henry, 2, #1360 of 1969 🔗

Should be all over MSM if it was actually free.

199666 MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 33, #1361 of 1969 🔗

High Peak Wednesday:

Wine shop: 2 members of staff serving, unusually since it’s 1-in-1-out. Both masked because the police are constantly on patrol but they’re full-on sceptical. They think the renewed tyranny is because of the end of furlough.

Bus stop: Bus waiting at stop with 2 elderly women on it. Both pulled their masks under their chins so they could have a good old ‘chinwag’. There’s that clever virus again!

Our bus: A driver we knew well when we used buses a lot so it was nice to catch up. ‘Total sceptic and we were the only passengers so we had a chance to ‘put the world straight’. He talks to dozens of people a day and has yet to meet anyone who has had CV19.

Young Plumber who came to fix the lavatory: I greeted him at the door with ‘This is a mask-free zone’. He said, ‘That’s fine, but why?’ I said ‘3 reasons: 1 they do no good, 2 they’re a psyop and 3 they are bad for your health.’ He laughed and said ‘You sound just like my Grandma, she thinks it’s all bollocks too.’ MW

199674 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 13, #1362 of 1969 🔗

They think the renewed tyranny is because of the end of furlough.

Proving beyond a reasonable doubt that they are full-on sceptics. This is precisely why October lockdown has been on the cards, and probably planned, ever since the start.

199677 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 9, #1363 of 1969 🔗

I have always been a “peace at all costs” sort of bloke, but I would love to take an “industrial strength” stapler to the “maskateers” : well you can guess the rest.

199683 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Fingerache Philip., 21, #1364 of 1969 🔗

They are depriving themselves of oxygen in order to protect themselves from a virus which they are soon going to volunteer to be injected with. For many, the sorry ending this will entail will be punishment enough.

199885 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Fingerache Philip., #1365 of 1969 🔗

Setting man against man has always been a tool of the ‘prince of the power of the air’. I try to forgive the Sheeple because most of them ‘know not what they do’.

199684 Jeremy Enns, replying to Jeremy Enns, 20, #1366 of 1969 🔗

If anyone remembers yesterday’s postcard from Albania, it reminded me a bit of where I currently live. Here in Moscow, the local authorities have recently been indulging themselves in abuse of the public (eg. “if we have to lockdown the city again, it will be because of total non-compliance with the mask and glove regime,” i.e. It’ll be YOUR fault) and stepping up enforcement of the mandatory mask and glove regime in the metro and shops. Hundreds have shops have been closed down indefinitely for non-compliance. I was recently denied service for refusing to put on plastic gloves.

That’s the background. My closest shop, also happens to be my favourite right now, as they refuse to respect the spirit of the law and pay attention only to form. Chin masks are ok. Any enforcement only occurs at the checkout (where the video cameras are). Non-mask wearers (there are no exemptions to this insanity here) are offered a strip off a roll of toilet paper to briefly cover their mouth while paying. A single plastic bag (the kind you find in the produce section) is offered for the gloveless. I was forced to put on a “magic bag” (cashier’s sarcastic words) a few times. I didn’t get angry, because it was just too funny. I used my “ungloved” hand for everything transactional, which was totally fine.

But all of that was last week. Already this week, in-house enforcement is back to zero. No plastic bag glove tonight.

199777 ▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to Jeremy Enns, 6, #1367 of 1969 🔗

Sometimes you have step away from the lunacy…and laugh at how ridiculous things have become. There’s that bit in the horror movie, Evil Dead 2 where Ash loses it and laughs hysterically, and all the inanimate objects in the creepy cabin join in…I kind of find myself at that point these days.

199691 DRW, replying to DRW, 22, #1368 of 1969 🔗

Good evening sceptics, been busy with other things today. I’d just like to share some thoughts.

Recently, some have commented on my pessimistic nature and that I should try to be more positive. This is difficult because in the real world, I feel isolated, as if everyone is under the spell except me. Locally, maskage is only increasing and even creeping into the housing estates, a neighbour now has one, even when alone in the garden. At this rate it’ll be like Spain by Christmas, no diktats required. Speaking of which, I would selfishly welcome Christmas being cancelled given the widespread sheepishness, and in one case, zealotry, across my whole extended family.

Plus I’m feeling bad about university, it feels off limits now. No new people to meet, but nearly all of them will be brainwashed and my deservedly dead, fully theatrical campus is not worth attending anyway. Said theatrics elsewhere have already made me a near-recluse but I suspect it will only get worse once the snake oil “vaccine” is deployed and mandated for access to public life.

This isn’t to say there hasn’t been any good news, and I do welcome that. But there’s increasing bad news too and the optimism shared on here just appears unrealistic. Not that it’s wrong but I’m not seeing or feeling it. Maybe I just need another sceptic I can talk to.

199704 ▶▶ Julian, replying to DRW, 2, #1369 of 1969 🔗

KBF have some local groups
Worth a look
Someone on here may be close to you geographically

199705 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to DRW, 14, #1370 of 1969 🔗

I hear you. I have been a hardened glass half full cynic for 35 years, so am used to having a permanently grim outlook, but the events of this year have simply blown me away.

The only thing that keeps me from insanity is how endlessly fascinating the horror is. It reveals so much of the reality of the society we live in. Things that I never thought would see the light of day.

199783 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Richard O, 4, #1371 of 1969 🔗

apologies for being a pendant …. but shouldnt that be “a hardened glass half empty” cynic.. I should know as i am myself a miserable bastard,

“Glass half full” is like the girl getting a pile of horse manure for christmas thinking “there must be a pony in here somewhere!

199793 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to mjr, 3, #1372 of 1969 🔗

Fuck, what a schoolboy error. Of course I meant glass half empty. Too late to edit the comment now. Thanks for picking me up on this!

199813 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Richard O, 3, #1373 of 1969 🔗

I too wondered at that! I relish your pessimism and was rather disappointed to learn you were a glass half full guy. I swing both ways but today was a good day as I had my unmasked yoga one-on-one and haven’t seen a masked person all day. I’ve got to go back to the city for a few days next week so I’ll be back in the miserable camp.

199822 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 2, #1374 of 1969 🔗

Strange but true that pessimists can actually make themselves feel a little better by sharing their pessimism with each other!

The boundaries between optimism/delusion and pessimism/defeatism are both very fine lines. The scale is something like delusion-optimism-realism-pessimism-defeatism, with realism being the narrowest and hardest state to achieve.

199907 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Richard O, 1, #1375 of 1969 🔗

I’ve always found the glass half full analogy to be less than convincing, whichever way it’s used.

199859 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to mjr, 3, #1376 of 1969 🔗

Well, there was a pony around not all that long ago; you just have to extend your search a bit.
And since horses pooh on average fifteen times a day, you might as well find out what you’re up against right at the start.

199923 ▶▶▶▶ john, replying to mjr, #1377 of 1969 🔗

Not a criticism, and meant as a lighthearted response so no offence intended, but perhaps you meant pedant? (Apologies for being, er, pedantic!)…

199707 ▶▶ Jeremy Enns, replying to DRW, 31, #1378 of 1969 🔗

Hey, I totally hear you. I was trying to explain this to my girlfriend the other day, that it feels like I’m living in a cult against my will and I’m the only one who isn’t buying the BS. Anyway, she didn’t understand, thinks I need to lighten up and think about “important things” and now we’ve had a big row. It feels very very lonely and it is hard, really hard, to feel optimistic.

This colossal fuck up goes well beyond incompetence. I don’t see any merit in the “incompetence” theory anymore. What’s happening goes way beyond that and the “pure evil” theory makes a lot more sense to me. The “need to cover our ass” theory is my optimistic view, and I hope that turns out to be the case, but I don’t feel it.

I swear, if I could somehow make myself believe what the vast herd thinks, I’d go for it, because life would be so much easier and less lonely. Of course, that would require me to suffer a massive cognitive dissonance, which would probably be worse than this. So, we’re lonely and screwed.

All of which is to say. You’re not alone. Hang in there my friend! We’ve got to.

199714 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Jeremy Enns, 13, #1379 of 1969 🔗

If your girlfriend thinks that the complete destruction of Western civilisation is not an “important thing” that deserves nothing short of your full attention then perhaps she should no longer be your girlfriend.

199729 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Richard O, 9, #1380 of 1969 🔗

It’s a fundamental issue and one that it’s hard to disagree on. Me and my Mrs are on the same page 100% and we both have a rant.

However I have at least one other close family member who agrees it is all nonsense but doesn’t want to talk about it because it’s too upsetting. It’s a coping mechanism, and I accept that. So the lady in question here may just be trying to shut it down to save her sanity. I think avoidance in the long term is not good, but who am I to judge?

199745 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Julian, 8, #1381 of 1969 🔗

Avoidance of the issue will only make the pain of the inevitable consequences of our unfathomable folly that much more excruciating.

We have lived in a protected bubble in the West for far too long, many of us never having to give any serious consideration to issues of wider social importance and always leaving it up to politicians and other authority figures to worry about such matters. This time has now come to an end.

199806 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Richard O, 6, #1382 of 1969 🔗

I don’t think it’s a question of leaving it up to others to worry. It’s simply self preservation. Accepting we are governed by evil people and surrounded by madness is frightening. Some people just cannot cope with that and instinctively shut down. We’re all in different places in our lives. I am oldish and have faced some difficult moments and have some confidence in my capacity not to fold. Others know they are fragile and take cover.

199811 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Julian, 7, #1383 of 1969 🔗

Accepting we are governed by evil people and surrounded by madness is frightening.

This is so true. I reached this understanding many years ago, yet I am still shocked every day at how bad it really is. Especially the madness bit.

199821 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Richard O, #1384 of 1969 🔗

the world is aimless, chancy, and huge, and we are blinded by self” Iris Murdoch

199825 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Richard O, 9, #1385 of 1969 🔗

That may be the difference between some of us older folks and the young people. We’ve had many more decades of watching the incompetence and thievery all around us to have developed a healthy scepticism a long time ago. For some, this debacle may be the first time they’ve been affected or seen just how corrupt our politicians are. It’s unbelievably scary but my husband and I are quite insulated from it in that we are retired and living in the country where we can mostly avoid the fallout. Nonetheless, it’s still shocking and I worry for my kids. I’d be the first one to get back out into the world and “risk” the virus in order to ensure the younger generations enjoy the freedoms we have enjoyed our entire lives.

199867 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Richard O, 3, #1386 of 1969 🔗

Especially the evil.
I have always believed in its existence, but never confronted it directly until now.
Christians should welcome tribulation. It’s not easy. But when evil throws off the mask(!), at least you know where you are with it.

199874 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Richard O, 6, #1387 of 1969 🔗

My wonderful lady friend, who has been a rock to me through all this nonsense, comes from a middle eastern country that has been ravaged by a certain religious denomination. Her father was imprisoned and tortured as a political dissident. She has expressed bewildered amusement that I ever had even an ounce of faith in my country’s government.

199988 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Richard O, 1, #1388 of 1969 🔗

Same here. I have been saying for years that people are crazy. Not just saying it but knowing it. I was totally right.

199869 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Richard O, 5, #1389 of 1969 🔗

Good summary. The introduction of the tier system was, for me, like the ‘final note’ that was handed to the German ambassador in 1939. Up until then, the government still had a chance to do the decent thing and wind down the panic, but they chose the opposite. I realised then and there that this government is now at war with its people.

199856 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Julian, 1, #1390 of 1969 🔗

I agree – it all scares the shit out of me but I cant just bury my head. You cant just ignore it – it’s all around us.

199863 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Julian, 5, #1391 of 1969 🔗

Many sceptics just now are maintaining relationships by knowing what not to talk about. It’s the only way, if you want to keep the relationship. You may decide that a particular relationship is not worth keeping.

199757 ▶▶▶▶ Jeremy Enns, replying to Richard O, 1, #1392 of 1969 🔗

I’d be lying if I said the thought hadn’t crossed my mind. But it’s not easy. I’m angry that we’ve been put into this situation.

199797 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to Jeremy Enns, 7, #1393 of 1969 🔗

I sympathize a lot. My husband started off thinking I was bonkers but within a few weeks he had become as sceptic as me. He’s still not as angry as me. I don’t know any one apart from on here who is as angry as I am.

199755 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Jeremy Enns, 5, #1394 of 1969 🔗

Jeremy – I really do sympathise with you re your partner. It must be so frustrating, to say the least. I am lucky in that my partner is totally on board and speaks out to other people about it – at least we can talk about things together. Also my sister and husband, and most of my friends now think like I do. If it is any comfort, one of my friends really believes that the tide is turning. She has FB friends (mostly whom she knows face to face) who have changed their minds. I hope that you are able to keep up with us to get enough comfort to get through until this ends. I am pessimistic by nature but think we will win…eventually

199760 ▶▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Jo, 1, #1395 of 1969 🔗

sorry got names mixed up – apologies…I need a drink!

199713 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to DRW, 7, #1396 of 1969 🔗

Some people come on here deliberately to spread alarm and despondency among sceptics. People are a little suspicious of downbeat posters I expect. Sceptics have truth and human nature on our side so while things are difficult , longer term the outlook is good. Sceptic arguments are increasingly getting an airing.

199718 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to DRW, 4, #1397 of 1969 🔗

I think I understand where you’re coming from, DRW. Sometimes it helps to get a bit of a pep talk, but other times it just helps to have our observations about the objective awfulness of a situation validated.

I need to switch between realism and optimism to keep myself going. I believe that whatever happens I won’t always feel as bad as I do at the moment. I hope that you can find a coping strategy that works for you. In the mean time, you have us.

199746 ▶▶▶ Jeremy Enns, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #1398 of 1969 🔗

I’d say that’s exactly it. The only thing that keeps me going is turning the realism off sometimes, escaping into other areas (hard), but then rebuilding my stores of optimism.

I’ve really been thinking lately what a strain it is on families and marriages, where only one is a skeptic. And doubly when there’s kids involved.

199818 ▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to DRW, 3, #1399 of 1969 🔗

I can’t blame you and I wouldn’t even try to talk you out of your pessimism. I do think you’ve hit the nail on the head though — you need another sceptic or two to talk and/or get together with. I have a small circle of friends and family at the best of times, but I’m thankful that enough are willing to be “normal” with me that I don’t feel so alone. Coming here reminds me that we’re the rational ones and everyone else is daft. So other than finding ways and places to escape, like walks in the countryside, finding other like-minded people will help get you through this.

199841 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to DRW, 11, #1400 of 1969 🔗

I used to be quite pessimistic about this until it made me really rather unwell. I am a very passionate person with strong emotions, and the anger I was feeling about this farce every single day was just too much. I gave me bollocking headaches, shortness of breath, aches and pains, made me irritable. I already suffer from diagnosed anxiety and depression so I have my own mental coping mechanisms and I absolutely don’t need this shit to make it worse. It was so much emotional baggage. I am still furious of course at what is happening but I try to be optimistic now to take the edge off. Maybe I’ll be proven wrong and it’ll just turn out to be a mental coping mechanism, but I hope I will be right in the end.

199857 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Poppy, 3, #1401 of 1969 🔗

You’re a wise woman, Poppy. We can’t let ourselves be savaged by our own anger.

199852 ▶▶ CGL, replying to DRW, 4, #1402 of 1969 🔗

Yes xmas needs cancelling- too many sheep but not nearly enough wise men I fear. (Apart from on here obviously!)

199723 Basics, replying to Basics, 2, #1403 of 1969 🔗

Jason Dentist Leitch Scotland’s CMO

“Jason Leitch: You can’t get Covid-19 twice, masks ‘don’t work for public’
Jason Leitch appeared on BBC Radio this morning to help dispel myths about COVID-19”

https://www.scotsman.com/health/jason-leitch-you-cant-get-covid-19-twice-masks-dont-work-public-2527911

By Rachel Mackie. Friday, 3rd April 2020, 9:23 am. Updated Friday, 3rd April 2020, 10:43 am.

Interesting political timing of the Lietch’s statements to the Scotsman given the next day the then Scottish CMO came out with this:

5 Apr 2020 It is with a heavy heart that I resign as chief medical officer.” Calderwood’s resignation follows mounting criticism from opposition leaders, members of the public and villagers in Earlsferry …

199730 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Basics, 2, #1404 of 1969 🔗

Please note the absolutist terms from Leitch above, I fancy before Sridhar had given him a talking to.

Another Untrustable.

199854 ▶▶ annie, replying to Basics, 1, #1405 of 1969 🔗

I notice that the article is hedged in with adverts for face nappies, all claiming, at least by implication, to protect the wearer.

Liars

199724 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 8, #1406 of 1969 🔗

https://twitter.com/ClareCraigPath/status/1318906385384542209

Breaking down hospital admissions, even in April and May, shows how few patients with a ‘COVID diagnosis’ had active COVID infection.

This is interesting, and is exactly what we need to know for admissions happening now, surely?

199753 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1407 of 1969 🔗

Wow! Yep, this is exactly what we need to know and the information that they could never allow us to have.

199764 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #1408 of 1969 🔗

Hopefully someone like Heneghan is onto it – or Clare Craig herself. It’s absolutely crucial to understanding what’s going on, especially with total hospital admissions being generally average for the time of year.

199772 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to A. Contrarian, #1409 of 1969 🔗

I suppose it depends whether they can get access to data of that granularity across the board. I suspect that will have been buried very deeply, if it is even now allowed to be recorded in the first place. If it were available, then surely hospital staff would be wiser by now but they seem to swallow the hype about cases just like most others

199774 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #1410 of 1969 🔗

Isn’t that exactly the kind of data that a government who actually believed we were facing a deadly threat would be gathering? But they clearly believe no such thing, the toerags.

199776 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Julian, 1, #1411 of 1969 🔗

Spot on

199752 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 6, #1412 of 1969 🔗

Fear not, the vaccine volunteer trial patient who has died, died from the placebo, not the vaccine. Of that there is no possible doubt, no shadow of doubt whatever.

Clearly a Covid death, my dear Watson. Let us proceed to closely examine the death certificate.

199761 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Stuart, 3, #1413 of 1969 🔗

Placebos kill! Except the Covid vaccine placebo is another vaccine isn’t it? Presumably his death isn’t being attributed to that?

199778 ▶▶▶ watashi, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1414 of 1969 🔗

No of course not. A mere coincidence dear. Just like all the other thousands of post vaccination death.

199768 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Stuart, 4, #1415 of 1969 🔗

Anyone who dies for any reason is because of Covid, so more lockdowns, more masks and more vaccines is the only answer.

199771 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Stuart, 3, #1416 of 1969 🔗

Does the placebo contain anything at all?

199775 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Julian, 2, #1417 of 1969 🔗

In this trial the ‘placebo’ is the Men C vaccine.

199796 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #1418 of 1969 🔗

You’re not joking?! How can that possibly be a “placebo”? If you’re getting adverse reactions from the Men C vaccine, that could provide cover for the Covid vaccine. I’m appalled.

199810 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to OKUK, 3, #1419 of 1969 🔗

That’s exactly right. No vaccine in the US has ever been tested against an inert placebo — they test them against each other, thus the adjuvants could be the culprits and we’d never know. Del Bigtree and his non-profit ICAN petitioned the FDA re: the Covid vaccine trials and the trials being done in the US are now using an inert placebo. I believe the UK trials are, indeed, using the Meningitis vaccine as the “placebo” as this was supposed to be the case in the US until ICAN got involved.

199826 ▶▶▶▶▶ watashi, replying to OKUK, #1420 of 1969 🔗

it’s pretty common practice. they used a vaccine for the placebo in hpv vaccine trials.

199889 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to OKUK, 1, #1421 of 1969 🔗

Many of those who are concerned about the potential for vaccine damage, believe it may well be the amorphous aluminium hydroxyphosphate (AAHS) itself which is the substance that can cause the adverse effects seen with many vaccines.If both placebo, and vaccine, contain this adjuvant, then… it’s a free pass for the vaccine. In order to hide adverse effects with the vaccine, the placebo contained the substance suspected to cause adverse effects. Anyone who thinks that is remotely acceptable needs a long hard look in the mirror…

https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2020/02/25/the-great-placebo-scandal/

199779 Telpin, replying to Telpin, 2, #1422 of 1969 🔗

Can someone remind me of the BMA statement on evidence of mask efficacy? Thanks

199790 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Telpin, 1, #1423 of 1969 🔗

You need Mr Git’s letter from them.

199794 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Telpin, 10, #1424 of 1969 🔗

I saved AG’s letter, here it is:

“Thank you for contacting the BMA regarding the wearing of facemasks outdoors.
We understand that many people have different opinions regarding the wearing of facemasks, so I have therefore outlined the BMA’s stance on wearing facemasks below.
•            Masks have come to be regarded as an important non pharmaceutical intervention in the fight against COVID-19, widely employed by governments over the world.
•            Our recent press release called for more widespread usage including in offices and workplaces where more than one employee is present and outside in situations where social distancing is not possible.
•            We appreciate that this is an area in which there is little high-quality empirical evidence. There is, for example, a lack of randomised control trials showing that mask wearing is effective (either indoors or outdoors).
•            Our support for mask wearing is based on a precautionary approach – that on the balance of available evidence it is very likely to be of more benefit than harm.
•            While it is well accepted that the risk of transmission outdoors is lower than indoors however it is not zero and rises greatly when people are unable to socially distance – the BMA therefore supports measures to increase mask wearing in such settings.
I hope this helps provide you with clarity on the matter.”
So I’ve replied:
Thank you very much for your reply.
It was very enlightening.
So basically you have no evidence that masks work in any setting but as a “precaution” everybody should wear them anyway.
For the precautionary principle to work you need to have proof that the measures you are taking cause less harm than taking no action.
You cannot prove this with your statements on the lack of effectiveness of masks, it is wishful thinking.
When you look at the overwhelming and ever increasing research that proves that the use of masks is not as “safe” as is implied by your statement the “precautionary principle” cannot be applied as the measures are more dangerous that what they are supposed to stop so your argument is null and void .
The more that is found out about “covid-19” the less dangerous it is and it is now on par with “normal” influenza as stated by facts and figures from the CDC, WHO and the ONS so your arguments are null and void as influenza does not and never has warranted any of the measures that have been put in place in the past 7 months worldwide.
In the Hippocratic oath that supposedly medical personal but especially doctors swear on qualifying are the phrases:

I will respect the hard-won scientific gains of those physicians in whose steps I walk, and gladly share such knowledge as is mine with those who are to follow.

So you are ignoring all the scientific evidence that prove that masks are ineffective as a non-pharmaceutical intervention.

I will prevent disease whenever I can, for prevention is preferable to cure.

So you are advocating and recommending something that can lead to death from a lung infection and many other illnesses and complications while promoting the precautionary principle.
You are arguing against yourselves and the Hippocratic oath the medical industry is so proud of is null and void at present.
Or in the Declaration of Geneva:

THE HEALTH AND WELL-BEING OF MY PATIENT will be my first consideration

I WILL PRACTICE my profession with conscience and dignity and in accordance with good medical practice

These are null and void as well.
And most importantly:

I WILL NOT USE my medical knowledge to violate human rights and civil liberties, even under threat

When you read the Amnesty International report on what has been happening in UK Care hoems and the incidents of GPs, doctors and hospitals refusing the residents care and medical treatment and locking them up for months on end without human and loving contact there was no respect for for human rights and civil liberties so again, null and void part of an oath.
Your public image of a caring profession is now in tatters with your oaths ignored and your advocating of measures that border on superstition, not scientific fact making it look as if this was the middle ages again.
Once again, thank you for your open and honest reply.”

199804 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #1425 of 1969 🔗

Excellent. The BMA are a disgusting outfit.

199851 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to OKUK, 3, #1426 of 1969 🔗

Indeed. How many doctors are currently using their medical knowledge to violate civil liberties?
It’s a magnificent letter. Should be copied to every newspaper.

199788 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1427 of 1969 🔗

“Cases” well up again today, but when you look at this graph it shows about 15,000 “cases” per day in England for the first week in October:

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/cases

However, the ONS survey, which is generally regarded as the best source we’ve got, estimates 28,000 “cases” per day in England during the first week of October:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/16/coronavirus-infections-hit-27900-cases-day-england-ons-data-suggests

Is it realistic to accept that the cack-handed testing operation in England is picking up over half the actual cases in the country?

199791 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1428 of 1969 🔗

Egregious Edmunds out and about today claiming there are up to 200,000 infections per day ie about 6 million per month. I don’t actually disagree with that but I do disagree with his claim that this will result in at least 20,000 deaths in the second wave.

199801 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to OKUK, #1429 of 1969 🔗

Quicker to herd immunity

199812 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Julian, 1, #1430 of 1969 🔗

Exactly. Probably 20 million already have cross immunity. Another 20 million will probably be asymptomatic come what may. Of the remaining 25 million maybe 15 million have already been infected. Given we must be close to herd immunity we can expect death figures to plateau would be my guess.

199858 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to OKUK, 1, #1431 of 1969 🔗

But as long as they’re putting the PCR test through 45 cycles, the “covid” deaths will continue!

199803 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to OKUK, 1, #1432 of 1969 🔗

I wonder whether he would concede there were likely that many in February and March? Guess not, because that would underpin herd immunity, with September and October being a nice bit of icing on the cake!

199845 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to OKUK, 2, #1433 of 1969 🔗

So the second wave can stop when they’ve clocked up 20,000 Covviedeaths?

Verily Covvie will have slain his thousands, and Lockdown his ten thousands.

200079 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to OKUK, #1434 of 1969 🔗

6 million per month? Not long until everyone in the country has been infected then… even if you assume 100% susceptibility.

199800 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1435 of 1969 🔗

Is it realistic to accept that the cack-handed testing operation in England is picking up over half the actual cases in the country?”

It seems implausible

300,000 tests a day, out of 67m people…

199827 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to Tenchy, #1436 of 1969 🔗

The ONS are a bit behind the curve. The 27.9k figure relates to the week ending October 8th. It could be close to double that currently.

199798 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 4, #1437 of 1969 🔗

Hmm, this is worth keeping an eye on. It’s possible the flu vaccine is stronger this year for whatever reason. Anecdotally, my parents who are both in their 70s have just had their vaccination and my mother said she had body aches, sweating and felt weak afterwards as side effect for the first time ever:

Five South Koreans die after getting flu shots, sparking vaccine fears
https://cyprus-mail.com/2020/10/21/five-south-koreans-die-after-getting-flu-shots-sparking-vaccine-fears/

Authorities said there was no reason to believe the deaths were linked to the vaccine but an investigation, including post mortems, was underway.

199805 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #1438 of 1969 🔗

My mum reported aches and extreme fatigue too. Never usually has a reaction and she’s a stoic, so wouldn’t mention it unless she felt quite rough. Dad didn’t notice anything

199809 ▶▶ Will, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #1439 of 1969 🔗

My M in Law reports a terrible painfully bruised arm, unlike anything she has experienced before.

200151 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Will, #1440 of 1969 🔗

My mum too.

199814 ▶▶ dpj, replying to Nobody2020, #1441 of 1969 🔗

My Mum was really unwell for several days after her flu vaccination last year but had this year’s last week and was fine.

199815 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Nobody2020, 4, #1442 of 1969 🔗

I’ve heard of lots of people getting flu like symptoms after being injected with the flu vaccine. For people in a weakened condition this could be lethal, just as much as the flu itself.

199838 ▶▶ Crazy Times, replying to Nobody2020, 2, #1443 of 1969 🔗

https://www.jems.com/2020/06/25/flu-vaccine-did-a-disappointing-job-last-winter/

They keep sending letters through the post (almost weekly now) telling me how crucial they are this year. Can’t get into a GP or nurses office for anything else, but they’ll have you in at the drop of a hat for one of these. Needless to say they all go straight in the shredder.

199840 ▶▶ annie, replying to Nobody2020, 5, #1444 of 1969 🔗

The Precautionary Principle surely urges that all vaccine trials should be halted in order to Save Lives…

199864 ▶▶ CapLlam, replying to Nobody2020, #1445 of 1969 🔗

My mum had flu like symptoms after her flu jab and my dad felt a bit off for a few days.

199817 Jay Berger, replying to Jay Berger, 8, #1446 of 1969 🔗

https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2020/10/coronavirus-experts-were-wrong-now-they-need-daniel-greenfield/ ?

“The daily coronavirus reports have become the equivalent of Soviet harvest reports. They sound impressive, mean absolutely nothing, and are the pet obsession of a bureaucracy that not only has no understanding of the problem, but its grip on power has made it the problem.”

199866 ▶▶ Alice, replying to Jay Berger, #1447 of 1969 🔗

Excellent article, very convincing explanation of the events. I do hope this is the truth (and the leaked Canadian report isn’t).

199820 Old Normal, #1448 of 1969 🔗
199823 Nessimmersion, replying to Nessimmersion, 9, #1449 of 1969 🔗

Another Poster for Distribution.

199829 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Nessimmersion, 7, #1450 of 1969 🔗

Great stuff. One typo: it’s “livelihoods”.

My alcoholism is increasing, which indeed is not safe, but it is one of the few things keeping me on the straight and narrow right now.

199835 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Richard O, 3, #1451 of 1969 🔗

When in doubt, drink.

199839 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to annie, 6, #1452 of 1969 🔗

I doubt therefore I drink.

I drink therefore I am.

Or something like that.

199855 ▶▶▶ StevieH, replying to Richard O, 3, #1453 of 1969 🔗

#metoo

199895 ▶▶▶ dickyboy, replying to Richard O, 4, #1454 of 1969 🔗

You’re not the only one Richard. I’m now ordering entire casks from the local brewery (and then decanting them into corny kegs under co2 so they last long enough – doesn’t take that long to get through ~80 pints though). I’m pissed every single night, and I don’t give a single shit. I used to say I “like a drink”, now I don’t mind describing it as “alcoholism”. In the vanishingly unlikely event of needing to see a GP in the future, of course that will become “never touch a drop officer, I mean doctor”.

199906 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to dickyboy, 5, #1455 of 1969 🔗

For years, other than when holiday travelling, I confined my drinking strictly to Friday evenings only. Now it is never less than 3 evenings per week, and often higher.

Germans and Russians did not stop the production and consumption of beer and vodka during their respective brushes with totalitarianism, so we are treading a heavily worn path. Until the health lobby fanatics start going after alcohol production, which I think they will.

199913 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bill h, replying to Richard O, 2, #1456 of 1969 🔗

Devi has written several papers on the evils of drink already…
Krankie is about to ban all booze on trains.

So your comment is spot on.

199922 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Bill h, 2, #1457 of 1969 🔗

To be fair, the SNP are continuing their previous nanny state form with these measures. Totalitarianism and prohibition would surely be too much for the Scottish people to bear. Or would it?

200089 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Richard O, 2, #1458 of 1969 🔗

Living in Krankieland and unwilling to pay any more tax, I’m on my 4th 30 bottle wine kit.
Tried 1st ones and tastes ok.
Highly recommend not paying any more tax, it makes it taste better & it just encourages them.
( Within 1 week of Krankies minimum pricing Majestic opened a new warehouse in Berwick on Tweed 🤔 )

199824 NickR, replying to NickR, 4, #1459 of 1969 🔗

A number of people have been asking to see positive tests plotted against total tests conducted. I’ve posted from this source before ( https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-testing ), I’ve referenced the csv file on the chart.
It’s very interesting in that it shows a marked jump around the 5th 6th Oct since when it’s been surprisingly flat.
I thought about showing an estimate for false positives at say 0.8%, post infectious tests (CDC puts this at about 40%) and reduced infectiousness from the asymptomatic (CDC estimate 10%, which seems on the low side?) but it all gets speculative & busy.
So, what’s the conclusion? Well, either:

  1. The restrictions are working,
  2. It’s slowing down for some other reason

I think my money’s on the ‘other reasons’. Interesting to look at GP monitoring of upper respiratory doctor visits, surprise surprise, in general the places with lower cases in Spring have more now & those with higher in spring (London, Birmingham) have lower now.
But, of course whatever the level of positive tests, hospitalisations & deaths it won’t have been worth it.
One question to end with. What level of fatalities with the same profile we’ve had would have made you think the sacrifices were worth it?

199831 ▶▶ Julian, replying to NickR, 6, #1460 of 1969 🔗

What level of fatalities with the same profile we’ve had would have made you think the sacrifices were worth it?”

That’s a good question and one that should have asked and debated seriously. A grownup society needs to be able to have such a debate. Sadly we don’t seem to be at that point.

How would you make such a decision? It shouldn’t be based on an emotional reaction. I guess you’d need to do a cost benefit calculation, maybe using QALYS, and assign a notional value to liberty and lost enjoyment of life – those last things would be the trickiest I think. We clearly have wildly differing views of those values.

In general, as has been stated, if a disease emerged that was genuinely catastrophic in its effects, people would not need to be bullied into staying distant.

199850 ▶▶▶ NickR, replying to Julian, 1, #1461 of 1969 🔗

I think the answer is 1, if it was your life or your child’s!
An infinite number if you didn’t know any of them, were self employed & facing ruin.
Not very many if you were a public sector worker, retired or vulnerable.
Maybe if you put yourself in other people’s shoes you understand their fears a bit better.

199894 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to NickR, #1462 of 1969 🔗

Maybe if you put yourself in other people’s shoes you understand their fears a bit better .”

That seems pretty gratuitously insulting.

199918 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Mark, #1463 of 1969 🔗

I read it as “thinking out loud” rather than an insinuation that Julian somehow hasn’t been compassionate.

199882 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Julian, #1464 of 1969 🔗

Even lockdown proponents admit that they don’t save lives,just push them into the near future.Hence flatten the curve and why lockdowns are futile

199914 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to NickR, #1465 of 1969 🔗

It’s very interesting in that it shows a marked jump around the 5th 6th Oct since when it’s been surprisingly flat.

Processing lag plus a bump in spread a week after the bank holiday? If I draw a line 26/09 to 06/10 it makes sense to me.

I’ve been meaning to plot them against the “Tests processed per pillar” data here: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/testing

Nice one for sharing the chart by the way!

199949 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to NickR, 1, #1466 of 1969 🔗

3 – Student testing in full swing at start of October?

199828 Michael Wood, #1467 of 1969 🔗

You should all watch Tony Heller on Youtube (Ontario is building concentration Camps)
3 minute video. Then follow that with Dave Cullen of Computing forever (The Roadmap for the Agenda) about 20 minutes. That will horrify you!

199832 leggy, replying to leggy, 8, #1468 of 1969 🔗

Something else shamelessly stolen from FB.

199837 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to leggy, 4, #1469 of 1969 🔗

Whoever created this is very talented. The whole scam in one page, easy to digest and elegant in design.

199883 ▶▶ Bill h, replying to leggy, 1, #1470 of 1969 🔗

Nice one !

200167 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to leggy, #1471 of 1969 🔗

They missed off mandatory ‘Do not resuscitate’.

199843 NickR, replying to NickR, 4, #1472 of 1969 🔗

I hoped this might help explain false positives.

199862 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to NickR, -5, #1473 of 1969 🔗

This assumption that the FP rate is 0.8% is wrong. It has to be wrong.

The ONS have been carrying out a Covid infection survey for months. In July & August they were only detecting 0.04% of positive cases. This is only ONE TWENTIETH of 0.8%.

If the FPR was 0.8% they should have picked up at least 0.8% of those tested.

199876 ▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to Mayo, 8, #1474 of 1969 🔗

How many times do you have to be told the same thing before it gets into your skull? The ONS survey is NOT the same as the Pillar 2 PCR test. This misconception is behind exactly the same silly response by every lockdown supporter. The Pillar 2 tests using PCR have a FRR which is unknown because no-one dares do an EQA. So you have to take the typical FPR from EQAs of PCRs over the last 2 decades. These range from 0.8% to 4%, with a mean of 2.3%. But rather than use 2.3% most people use the lowest EQA of 0.8% FPR. Although given the poor analse conditions of the PCR tests its likely to be over 5%.
This has nothing whatsoever to do with the ONS detection of population wide infection rates in the summer. The sample size and the tests conducted are totally different.

199909 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to peyrole, -6, #1475 of 1969 🔗

What are you on about. The ONS use PCR tests. The only difference is that the ONS test randomly.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/methodologies/covid19infectionsurveypilotmethodsandfurtherinformation

We take swabs to detect microbes of the infection caused by the coronavirus (COVID-19) so we can measure the number of people who are infected. To do this, laboratories use real-time reverse transcriptase polymerase chain reaction (RT-PCR) (PDF, 731KB) . Diagnostic RT-PCR¹ usually targets the viral ribonucleic acid (RNA)-dependent RNA polymerase (RdRp) or nucleocapsid (N) genes using swabs collected from the nose and throat. More information on how the swabs are analysed can be found in the study protocol .

199915 ▶▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Mayo, 4, #1476 of 1969 🔗

They’re all PCR tests but the false positives arise from contamination and virus fragments in recovered people. How many you get therefore depends on your procedures and especially cycle threshold.

199931 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to guy153, -5, #1477 of 1969 🔗

What on earth are you banging on about?

You’re confusing False Positives with non infectious cases. A different issue.

199940 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Mayo, 2, #1478 of 1969 🔗

Define “case”.

200021 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ NickR, replying to Tee Ell, 3, #1479 of 1969 🔗

Arriving at kefalonia airport last week they were doing 2 minute tests. I saw in the local paper that they’d tested 3000 people, no positives! Either a foolproof test or they don’t want to deter tourists. Very pragmatic the Greeks.

199948 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Mayo, 4, #1480 of 1969 🔗

They’re basically the same issue. A completely recovered and non-infectious individual is certainly not a “case” and I would call that a false positive since what you’re actually testing for is active infections.

If you want to argue about definitions and say you’re actually testing for small fragments not the viruses they are synecdoches for then they aren’t false positives. But then I would ask why anyone would base lockdown policies on fragments of protein that don’t do anything or hurt anyone. What we’re interested in is viruses not fragments.

199916 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Mayo, 1, #1481 of 1969 🔗

They still use PCR tests i.e. false positives.

199924 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Ewan Duffy, -5, #1482 of 1969 🔗

BUT – they only got 0.04% positive tests in the summer. This means the FP rate cannot be higher than 0.04%.

Do you not get this?

199937 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to Mayo, #1483 of 1969 🔗

No I do not ‘get this’. Because there is no way on earth that a PCR test can be that accurate. None have come close which is why when EQAs have been conducted they range from 0.8% to 4%.
The ONS was sampling a closed population. In the summer they did not get colds, in the autumn they do. There are 4 other coronavirus that have the same protein spike as SARS2 which make up some of the various vius we call the common cold. Now the ONS population are getting colds so the IFR goes up. None of this is necessarily anything to do with SARS2.

199954 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Graham3, replying to peyrole, 3, #1484 of 1969 🔗

If muzzles are so effective, why are folks catching colds?

199962 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Graham3, 2, #1485 of 1969 🔗

Because they aren’t wearing gloves and visors

199959 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to peyrole, 3, #1486 of 1969 🔗

The other HCoVs do have spikes but the genes the PCR tests test for are unique to SARS2 out of known viruses (except one of them which SARS1 also has).

Other HCoVs are not a source of PCR false positives and the FPR -_can_ certainly be lower than 0.05%. And I actually think it is for the ONS tests. But very unlikely to be that good for Pillar 2. Pillar 2 results are meaningless anyway as they aren’t clear about whom they’re sampling. So I don’t pay any attention to them.

199990 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to guy153, #1487 of 1969 🔗

no the spikes for the 4 coronavirus that partially make up the ‘common cold’ can be picked up.

200017 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to peyrole, 1, #1488 of 1969 🔗

Do you have any evidence for this? I don’t see how it can happen and every time I’ve dug a bit deeper into this claim have found the evidence lacking.

200145 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to peyrole, #1489 of 1969 🔗

They most certainly don’t have the same spike and they don’t enter cells by the same receptor. At every survey, each member of the ons sample is asked about symptoms.

200300 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to djaustin, #1490 of 1969 🔗

NL63 does actually use the same receptor. And as you say the spikes are similar but not identical. The symptoms of all the HCoVs including SARS2 are very similar however. SARS1 and MERS are a bit different.

199928 ▶▶▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to Mayo, 1, #1491 of 1969 🔗

I didn’t claim they were not using PCR, but they are testing very differently at one lab under strict conditions. However careful they do it, they will still pick up false positives and negatives and given the small sample size this may be significant.
This is a world of difference from the Pillar 2 tests, analysed under very different conditions.

199936 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Mayo, 1, #1492 of 1969 🔗

You have presented no evidence that community PCR testing is the same, you simply believe it is.

I don’t see any way this debate can move on. Clearly you believe it’s a certainty that Tier 1 testing is done in an identical way to Tier 2 and will have exactly the same operational specificity, while others will go on believing there’s a chance they could be different.

You’re flogging the proverbial unless you can go deeper into the numbers in my view.

200302 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to Tee Ell, #1493 of 1969 🔗

They are run in the same labs. Who do you think is standing next to the Roche machines? Why would a test in one batch be so fantastically and consistently different to another?

200146 ▶▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to peyrole, #1494 of 1969 🔗

ONS use the same man as nhstt. REACT has used other labs. They both report much lower lowest positive rates than your assertion.

199899 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Mayo, 3, #1495 of 1969 🔗

The ONS testing is different to the Pillar 1 test which is different to the pillar 2 testing. The pillar 2 testing is running at 3 times the positivity rate, as a percentage of tests,to pillar 1. The ONS have admitted that they can no longer get more than 5% of people they contact to consent to testing so are having to use modelling to make up the statistical short fall.

199919 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Will, -4, #1496 of 1969 🔗

The positivity rate was still below 0.05%. Also their survey results closely match the trend of the Covid symptom study.

You’re clutching at straws.

199929 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to Mayo, 2, #1497 of 1969 🔗

But what cycle threshold does each use? If ONS different to Pillar 2 the you are not comparing like with like

199943 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Sophie123, -5, #1498 of 1969 🔗

The cycle threshold is a separate matter.

The ONS are currently (up to Oct 8th) detecting 20 times the number of cases that they did in the summer.

Covid Symptom study reckons daily cases are ~20 times what they were in July.

Government figures are consistent with both.

199953 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to Mayo, 3, #1499 of 1969 🔗

ONS are detecting positive tests, not ‘cases’. And I have explained that all of them might be common colds. They don’t know, no-one does.

199982 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to Mayo, 1, #1500 of 1969 🔗

A further problem is the different numbers of the populations on the phases of the ONS survey. In the summer months they had abour 20,000 in total , in September they ramped this up to try to get 20,000 extra each week. Unsuccesfully , so they have resorted to the dreaded modelling. But also we know that they have had real problems getting samples from anyone not at home 100%. So in the summer the only people tested in a small sample are likely to be people who rarely went out. This is hardly a representative sample of the UK population, and frankly is statistically worthless.

200010 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to peyrole, -1, #1501 of 1969 🔗

A further problem is the different numbers of the populations on the phases of the ONS survey. In the summer months they had abour 20,000 in total

And the problem is what exactly? A random sample of 20k will provide a very good estimate of the actual positive rate.

199903 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Mayo, 3, #1502 of 1969 🔗

Different people doing the tests. I agree that the ONS FPR is less than 0.05%.

But the “Pillar 2” tests are done by private companies. It’s not clear what their FPR is because they don’t report asymptomatic percentages and keep changing the rules about who can get tested. I think Hancock even said the FPR was about 1%. But I