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200390 D B, replying to D B, 35, #1 of 1876 🔗

Keep fighting the good fight, friends!

200548 ▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to D B, 8, #2 of 1876 🔗

China

The triumph of China’s Covid spin offers a terrifying glimpse of the West’s future
Our singular failure to come up with an alternative to draconian lockdowns will have world-transforming consequences

SHERELLE JACOBS
DAILY TELEGRAPH COLUMNIST
22 October 2020 • 6:00am
Sherelle Jacobs
If the prospect of a winter lockdown is nourishing your inner nihilist, I recommend bingeing on the latest Chinese blockbusters. Watching the films that have led Chinese studios to eclipse Hollywood sales for the first time in history is like staring into the Western abyss. Take The Wandering Earth – a sci-fi trending on Netflix about a mission to move our planet to a new galaxy after a spike in Jupiter’s gravity. It is Star Wars scrubbed of its limitless human progress and frontier spirit. In the peculiarly cyclical story – about protecting and reviving humanity on Earth rather than exploring the universe – the European linear conception of time is obsolete. (Unsurprising? Mandarin has neither a past or future tense, nor China a creation myth.)

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/10/22/triumph-chinas-covid-spin-offers-terrifying-glimpse-wests-future/#comment

200633 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 16, #3 of 1876 🔗

I think China is creepy. Like an alien world. Taiwan and Hong Kong seem much more normal. God help us if China becomes the world’s superpower. This can never be allowed to happen.

200678 ▶▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to chaos, 13, #4 of 1876 🔗

“This can never be allowed to happen”

Oops, too late!

200940 ▶▶▶▶▶ OpenYourEyes, replying to T. Prince, 1, #5 of 1876 🔗

It will be short lived. China lacks a consistent population surplus, something every global superpower needs.

200947 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to OpenYourEyes, #6 of 1876 🔗

Well, I suppose that just leaves some African country as the next superpower then.

Seems implausible…..

201140 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to OpenYourEyes, 1, #7 of 1876 🔗

“China lacks a consistent population surplus.”

What does that mean? I don’t understand your point.

201242 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to John P, #8 of 1876 🔗

Chinese are liars

201401 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Adam, #9 of 1876 🔗

They are not alone.

202023 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to OpenYourEyes, #10 of 1876 🔗

And there’s still pockets of extreme poverty in China. They’re actually a tinder box waiting to explode.

200899 ▶▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to chaos, 5, #11 of 1876 🔗

It’s going to happen. Trump is the stopgap. The UK seems to be fully signed up, Huawei notwithstanding,as is Australia and Canada. This is just the beginning..

201239 ▶▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Lms23, 4, #12 of 1876 🔗

If we finally rid ourselves of the LibLabConSNP liars we can take back our country from the criminals in Parliament NHS the Banksters etc

201375 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Adam, 3, #13 of 1876 🔗

Let’s get on with it.

201407 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Adam, 1, #14 of 1876 🔗

No mention of China, so you are not from 77 Brigade.

201671 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Rowan, 1, #15 of 1876 🔗

If 77 brigade was pure PR it would still operate effectively as divisive doubt and suspicion.
I have noticed more trolling so I expect there are ongoing experiments of different tacks against different profiles – for the machine seeks above all else to neutralise the designated threat’ or potential threat or potential infection vector for future threat.
😉

201398 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to chaos, 6, #16 of 1876 🔗

China is already a world superpower. However, it isn’t China that is causing financial armageddon, destroying health services and bringing martial law to a place near you.

201677 ▶▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Rowan, #17 of 1876 🔗

It may be said that extremely disproportionate wealth operates as leverage in many ways that run beneath the surface as black economy, and as networks of influence that operate through proxies or fronts, or front of fronts of fronts. the ability to set a false front and hide the trail is part of Corporate survival strategy. It is also one with Military and Intelligence operations. In fact none of the borders and lines of the surface world mean a lot to the correspondences and communications running beneath.

201940 ▶▶▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to chaos, #18 of 1876 🔗

Brilliant Speech – everything you would want to say
“Herd stupidity!” Desmond Swayne calls out coronavirus fearmongering
Conservative MP Desmond Swayne gives a passionate speech in the House of Commons on fearmongering around the coronavirus pandemic and subsequent lockdowns.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pl3d8DZwQlo&list=WL&index=68
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Restaurant owner punished for opening door on a hot day speaks out on ‘Tucker’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paqGbcVtYIk
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Melbourne’s ‘Dan Andrews apologist’ Lord Mayor must be voted out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIgQuHG9zq0
Sky News host Alan Jones says Victorians have a chance to vote out Melbourne’s Lord Mayor Sally Capp, a “Dan Andrews apologist” who pretends to be independen t.
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202140 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #19 of 1876 🔗

Interesting about that restaurant, because we’re exhorted to open as many doors and windows as possible at work, since apparently ‘maintaining air circulation’ will make sure the wind blows the evil spirits out of the room.

202069 ▶▶▶▶ miahoneybee, replying to chaos, #20 of 1876 🔗

I agree. Next time you go shopping ( I avoid unless essential) try and find as many items as you can that dont say made in china..good luck with that.even eg clothes apparently from another country check the label and its origin. Its shocking. I have pointed this out to several people and their answer ” I never noticed”.I have noticed it creeping in for years. Start your notice yourself. I try to buy British when I can .can british industry even provide goods anymore?the government now seem hellbent on msking sure they never can again..

201905 ▶▶ sam, replying to D B, 1, #21 of 1876 🔗

meanwhile 9 Koreans died from the flu jab this week
https://strangesounds.org/2020/10/vaccine-death-south-korea-video.html

201907 ▶▶ sam, replying to D B, #22 of 1876 🔗

and the poor Brazilian doctor volnteer died in the vaccine trial. They clai he was part of the placebo but surely that information cannot be released while the trial is ongoing. Anyway the control group received the meningitis jab. Maybe he died form that?

201909 ▶▶ sam, replying to D B, #23 of 1876 🔗

and one last query on the ONS paying people to get repeat tests. £50 for the first test and £25 for each subsequent test. The tests are every week for 4 weeks then every month for 11 months which shows how long this will go on for. My question is if someone tests positive the first week and then the 2nd, do they count as one positive case or two?? Does anyone know?

200400 Thomas_E, replying to Thomas_E, 2, #24 of 1876 🔗

2nd

200401 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Thomas_E, 4, #25 of 1876 🔗

Baa

200504 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Ovis, 3, #26 of 1876 🔗

Now, now, no sheeple allowed here!

200402 HawkAnalyst, replying to HawkAnalyst, 87, #27 of 1876 🔗

Hang in there guys

Everyone I know is ignoring the lockdown now

200434 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to HawkAnalyst, 57, #28 of 1876 🔗

I certainly am today. Off to England, breaking out of Gulag Cymru.

200435 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Mr Dee, 22, #29 of 1876 🔗

I’m breaking out this afternoon, and again tomorrow.

200460 ▶▶▶ Julian S, replying to Mr Dee, 12, #30 of 1876 🔗

And I am breaking in!

200532 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Julian S, 14, #31 of 1876 🔗

Let’s high five as we cross the border.

202148 ▶▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #32 of 1876 🔗

Might be useful to post if you get any intel on what eyes are watching what roads (if any).

Just remember, don’t answer if anybody says ‘good luck!’

200557 ▶▶ Moomin, replying to HawkAnalyst, 20, #33 of 1876 🔗

Oh how I wish I could say the same, I feel like a lone voice among my friends.

201066 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Moomin, 10, #34 of 1876 🔗

You aren’t alone here!

200603 ▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to HawkAnalyst, 37, #35 of 1876 🔗

Excellent news.

Hopefully at some point in the near future(I hope) there will be mass civil disobedience. Ignoring anti-social distancing and mask wearing.

200763 ▶▶▶ microdave, replying to Judy Watson, 12, #36 of 1876 🔗

Ignoring anti-social distancing and mask wearing

But virtually all the pro-mask crowd now ignore any form of (anti)social distancing…

200800 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to HawkAnalyst, 6, #37 of 1876 🔗

Wish I could say the same.

201065 ▶▶ annie, replying to HawkAnalyst, 5, #38 of 1876 🔗

Add one more. Yours truly.

200403 Suburbian, replying to Suburbian, 33, #39 of 1876 🔗

How many of us have lost friends from this? I know I have. I have found the way to build those friendships back up…when talking to people look for common ground. The common ground that every person in this country has at the moment is that we all think the government is useless.

Try it, it works. My neighbour is now talking to me again!

200432 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Suburbian, 25, #40 of 1876 🔗

Havent lost any friends but there is one which I am avoiding contact with because she is pro-lockdown and her sister is a nurse who fuels this. We get close to arguments in messages. Funny thing is she has double standards by breaking the ‘rules’ to suit herself. Saddened that my Mother in law is also sucked in by all this and is afraid to have us visit her, yet on the other hand worries about her grandchildren forgetting who she is! I have no patience for that!

200449 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Janice21, 40, #41 of 1876 🔗

Nurses and doctors in favour of lockdowns are like teachers not wanting to go back to the classroom.

They need to shut up and go and do their jobs. And if they don’t want to, they can quit. But enough of wanting the salary for no work.

When your friend’s sister signed up for being a nurse, presumably she was aware that she may need to come into contact with people who have infectious diseases?

200527 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to stewart, 26, #42 of 1876 🔗

A nurse I know is the worst of the lot. In an utter panic about it all, constantly shouting about evil people who don’t wear masks and have the nerve to go to the pub – in a pandemic! She even puts a mask on her 3 yo when walking outdoors in the middle of nowhere… Needless to say he is now petrified of leaving the house in case he gets ill.

200558 ▶▶▶▶▶ Janice21, replying to A. Contrarian, 38, #43 of 1876 🔗

She needs locked up for masking a 3 year old!!!

200733 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ dorset dumpling, replying to Janice21, 4, #44 of 1876 🔗

You should take a look at this from the Monkey World web site:

Face Coverings. It is mandatory for all visitors aged 3 years old and over to wear a face mask / covering/ visor when visiting Monkey World, at all times apart from when seated in designated catering seating / picnic areas . Please see our Face Covering Policy for more information and what to do if you’re medically exempt.

If you go to the face covering rules page on their web site there is all the information about which people are exempt and what to do if it applies to you.

200907 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to dorset dumpling, 6, #45 of 1876 🔗

Thought children under 11 were exempt?

201417 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Carrie, 3, #46 of 1876 🔗

Not at Monkey World.

200957 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TT, replying to dorset dumpling, 11, #47 of 1876 🔗

It’s called Monkey World for a reason!

201253 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bill h, replying to TT, 2, #48 of 1876 🔗

Lol. 😅

201519 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to TT, 5, #49 of 1876 🔗

The monkeys no doubt have more intelligence than the management of the place!

201077 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to dorset dumpling, 3, #50 of 1876 🔗

Monkeys indeed.

201415 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to dorset dumpling, 7, #51 of 1876 🔗

It’s easy, don’t ever go to Monkey World.

200665 ▶▶▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to A. Contrarian, 5, #53 of 1876 🔗

Is she actually a nurse?

200828 ▶▶▶▶▶ Catherine, replying to A. Contrarian, 13, #54 of 1876 🔗

My Aunt is a nurse (in her 60’s), and she is thankfully sane. Thinks it’s all a lot of nonsense!

201091 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to A. Contrarian, 12, #55 of 1876 🔗

Which doesn’t say a lot about the education level of nurses.

A 3 yo is not going to develop a fully functioning immune system by putting a mask on him and protecting him from every virus.
It’s the use of antibiotics on small children and overcleanliness that’s led to so many with allergies.

201119 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Lms23, 5, #56 of 1876 🔗

“Which doesn’t say a lot about the education level of nurses.”

I take exception to that statement fellah….

201154 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Winston Smith, 1, #57 of 1876 🔗

Mr brother in law’s sister is a cardiologist. (That’s a specialist heart nurse). She has several medical qualifications.

201514 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to John P, 7, #58 of 1876 🔗

“Mr brother in law’s sister is a cardiologist. (That’s a specialist heart nurse).” 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

A cardiologist is a physician who specialises in diseases of the heart. Bloody hell, it’s getting more like Twitter around here these days……

201411 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #59 of 1876 🔗

With nurses like her, who would want to use the NHS, even if you could.

200561 ▶▶▶▶ Moomin, replying to stewart, 29, #60 of 1876 🔗

I’ve concluded that anyone in favour of lockdown is cruel and heartless with scant regard or life and well being.

201079 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Moomin, 8, #61 of 1876 🔗

Or just monumentally selfish.

200595 ▶▶▶▶ Cruella, replying to stewart, -7, #62 of 1876 🔗

Which nurses do you know that aren’t at work? How is it like the teaching profession? We’ve been at work for the duration. Stop talking out your arse you ignorant tit.

200780 ▶▶▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Cruella, 8, #63 of 1876 🔗

Now now. I know for a fact that large parts of Wythenshawe Hospital were closed for weeks and staff sent home. There was a bit of an uproar because management asked staff to use some of their leave in lieu of the time they were off work…..

200816 ▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Cruella, 17, #64 of 1876 🔗

Happened to the wife’s cousin’s daughter (is that 2nd cousin? cousin twice removed?) who is a nurse in a big hospital.

She’s been told over the past 7 months to take a 4 grade pay cut or be sent home on zero pay with her hours cut to zero leading to being laid off, was told that the hospital would not sign the furlough letter so she could claim under that scheme (would look bad on the hospital), sat at home for weeks as no work for them to do and management could not justify the staffing levels, had her hours cut to only a few shifts a week, been told her holiday entitlement was being used up when she was sitting at home and has been told not to speak to anyone about this treatment under veiled threats – but it slips out when they all sit having a family afternoon tea and gossip.

201108 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #65 of 1876 🔗

Is there any way she could be persuaded to speak out, anonymously of course, the way that ‘Jessica’ did on here a week or so ago?

201245 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 5, #66 of 1876 🔗

Asked her, no chance.

Totally shit scared of reprisals.

201185 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cruella, replying to Awkward Git, -3, #67 of 1876 🔗

A four grade pay cut? I assume she is a registered nurse? So she was a Band 8 was she? A Matron? Being asked to be paid as a band 5 or a staff nurse? I think you’re talking nonsense. If any of what you’re saying is accurate then the ‘nurse’ you’re talking about is bank staff or agency not a permanent member of staff on a substantive contract. So it follows that there was no work for her during lockdown, this is the price paid for not commiting to a permanent post,working ad hoc. So your statement is exaggerated for effect. No substantive employee has been laid off or furloughed or made to take leave. This is not possible, sitting around maybe but not that. Plenty of middle aged fatties removed to offices away from patients too but not at home unless living with an immunosuppressed family member, and they had to go off unpaid.

201256 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Cruella, 10, #68 of 1876 🔗

But the NHS was being over run wasn’t it?

All staff exhausted?

All reserves called in?

Armageddon?

NHS on the brink?

Everyone working 24 hrs a day 7 days week?

All beds full?

Patients dropping dead in the corridors?

And do one etc etc etc

So if it was this bad why were the non-substantive staff and contractors not working flat out?

What I have said about the wife’s relative was actually reported in the local newspaper as happening in Bristol and the nationwide mSM buried it.

So please – no more “we were being over run” stories if only core staff were required to keep it all going.

201376 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cruella, replying to Awkward Git, -1, #69 of 1876 🔗

Who said ‘we were being over run’? Did I? Personally my colleagues and I have been working normally hard throughout and in full PPE. Those in OP departments were redeployed to the wards, some to ITU and to covid wards etc. I think they worked pretty hard out of their usual specialism. This is why no bank staff were needed or overpaid agency nurses. I personally have worked flat out as I always do, full time, plus my second job.
And yes, there will be patients on corridors and in store cupboards and old folk waiting six hours in an ambulance being used as a ‘bed’ before they even get reviewed and temporary wards being opened up overnight because there always is, every year. But you will continue to sit comfortably on your keyboard warrior bottom telling me how it is because your cousins, uncles, niece told you so.

201402 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Cruella, 2, #70 of 1876 🔗

I’ve a friend in the USA who is a nurse and she told me how bad it was in the spring. She usually teaches students but was needed to nurse patients then. Things returned to normal in summer.

202250 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jamie, replying to Cruella, #71 of 1876 🔗

And we don’t care about bank staff losing work in the middle of this crisis?

Interesting that you admitted that the ones left are ‘sitting around’. What does that mean for other life-threatening conditions? The all cause excess death data may begin to answer that question.

Not blaming you as nurses but it is wrong for the rest of the NHS to shut down for one, unexceptional, pathogen.

202170 ▶▶▶▶ PWL, replying to stewart, #72 of 1876 🔗
200466 ▶▶▶ Quernus, replying to Janice21, 16, #73 of 1876 🔗

The application of double standards is quite eye-watering sometimes. The “holier-than-thou” attitude based solely (as far as I can see) on regurgitating whatever they’ve just heard on the news, usually followed with a complete disregard for any rule that doesn’t suit at that particular time. It’s the mindlessness of it that gets to me – I used to call it lazy thinking, but I can’t see any evidence of any thinking at all…

200555 ▶▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Quernus, 24, #74 of 1876 🔗

I can never understand the ‘if it saves just one life mentality’. Why, in these peoples log jammed minds, do ‘covid deaths’ trump every other death given that cancer kills 400+ every day in the UK?…..

These people think that they own the moral high ground with this absurd view when in fact they infest a cerebral wasteland of ill informed stupidity

201083 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to T. Prince, 7, #75 of 1876 🔗

‘they infest … stupidity’

Marvellous expression, T. Prince!

200768 ▶▶▶ janeinthemindfield, replying to Janice21, 1, #76 of 1876 🔗

Hi Janice, I just wanted to say thank you for asking about how I was yesterday! I came across your post late at night after I had turned off the wifi. I am a bit better today! How are you?

201412 ▶▶▶ Jane, replying to Janice21, 6, #77 of 1876 🔗

“Funny thing is she has double standards by breaking the ‘rules’ to suit herself.”

I noticed this early on. My sister-in-law was perfectly happy to have me expose myself to the virus to come and get her at a crowded airport after two transfers to two other crowded airports—in order to spare her son and his young children from “danger.” So, how does that work again? I am 73 . . . I am the one in a vulnerable group. I stated this a couple of times but she ignored it.

I see this over and over again People twisting themselves into knots to “shield” the **least vulnerable** while not giving a shite about exposing the actual vulnerable—if the latter is more convenient to someone or the person jsut refuses to “get” that kiddies are not in danger.

This is of course within the context that the whole freakout about transmission of the virus is hugely exaggerated.

200446 ▶▶ The Grubster, replying to Suburbian, 41, #78 of 1876 🔗

I’ve had to change subjects with conversations with certain friends, as it’s started getting heated. I tend to avoid lengthy conversations with them now. It infuriates me that they won’t even consider they’re is an alternative to all of the restrictions. They think I’m some conspiracy theorist who ignores the “facts” they’ve heard on the BBC. They’re surprised I don’t agree to “following the science” as I’ve got a PhD in physics. There isn’t a real scientist I know who agrees to the government’s “the science”. We tend to agree that SAGE have done more damage to science then the Catholic church.

200454 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to The Grubster, 25, #79 of 1876 🔗

Remember it’s a cult. They will go to their graves believing

As with all cults friends and families try to save them, but it never works

Sad to say but don’t waste any more of your time, leave them to their fate

200475 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Cecil B, 10, #80 of 1876 🔗

I really don’t think all non-sceptics are in a cult. Some are just going along with it for a quiet life, or somewhat unquestioning or gullible. They will come over to our side.

200601 ▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to Julian, 10, #81 of 1876 🔗

I think of it as being like the wars of religion. A handful of people had very strong convictions in favour of protestantism or catholicism and sometimes ended up dying for them, but the vast majority of people were happy to pretend to subscribe to whichever side they needed in order to avoid being burned at the stake. It’s not so much unthinking as cynical, and it does go some way to explaining the studies which have shown a large disjunct between what people claim to believe about the Government’s diktats and what they actually do in practice.

200468 ▶▶▶ Recusant, replying to The Grubster, 17, #82 of 1876 🔗

Bit harsh on the Catholic Church, which invented the university and has a great history of supporting astronomy. Copernicus, Mendel and Lemaitre were all in holy orders, so I would suggest that its track record is head and shoulders above SAGE.

200478 ▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Recusant, 7, #83 of 1876 🔗

Also has the biggest astronomy library in the world amd continues to be a leader in it.

200483 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to mhcp, 3, #84 of 1876 🔗

They are experts in Saturn.

200581 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Two-Six, 5, #85 of 1876 🔗

No, it is spelt ‘Satan’.

201087 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Old Bill, 3, #86 of 1876 🔗

Satan is an expert on lockdowns, that’s for sure.

201163 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Recusant, 2, #87 of 1876 🔗

Definitely harsh on the Catholic church.

201410 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Recusant, #88 of 1876 🔗

Didn’t they invent the lockdown with Galileo?

201159 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to The Grubster, 2, #89 of 1876 🔗

True story. When I was at university in Manchester in the 1980s (studlying chemistry) the second placed physics student in his year of around 150 students was, like me, a Roman Catholic.

The Church doesn’t seem to have hurt him, but I wouldn’t accuse you of religious prejudice Mr Grubster.

200470 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Suburbian, 35, #90 of 1876 🔗

My wife basically has to keep me away from any social interaction. I have stopped holding my mouth shut about this a while ago and although I do it a calm, fact based respectful manner people look at me like I just told them that the Earth is flat. I guess I just don’t have any more patience with idiots, people who are awake to this madness have mostly been there either from the beginning or at least couple of months, for the other there is no hope.

200509 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Thomas_E, 5, #91 of 1876 🔗

I’m with you!

200528 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Thomas_E, 2, #92 of 1876 🔗

Ditto

201422 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Thomas_E, 2, #93 of 1876 🔗

It bothers me that so few will reply to information I send. That applies to ordinary people, to FRSs and former University Professors.

202003 ▶▶▶ Rosser, replying to Thomas_E, #94 of 1876 🔗

Same here. A part of me hopes Christmas is “cancelled” so I don’t have to endure the ridiculous Covid chat from the in-laws!

200472 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Suburbian, 14, #95 of 1876 🔗

A good approach.

There are some people I’ve cut ties with whom I cannot forgive as they have been so complicit in this – especially educated, “intelligent”, politically aware people who have refused to engage with arguments or shown themselves to be self interested or both. Some have blanked me as soon as I have expressed sceptic views, without engaging. Them I cannot forgive either. That’s just rude.

Others I have tried not to burn bridges as I regard them more as victims.

200495 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Suburbian, 14, #96 of 1876 🔗

My mum was a Boris fan just two or so months ago. She totally bought into the covid lie. She now entertains the idea of the great reset and she knows regardless something is very wrong i.e. that the case and death figures do not match the tactics. I have a couple of friends like this also. Cutting ties with friends and family is something I try not to do because there is always time for them to change their minds.. plus a few months ago it would have meant no friends or family, no real contact with human beings at all.

201199 ▶▶▶ Adam, replying to chaos, 1, #97 of 1876 🔗

Anyone who admires Bozo Johnson needs psychiatric care and are similar to those who thought that Hitler was misinterpreted take Blair for example a narcissist

200585 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Suburbian, 9, #98 of 1876 🔗

I sort of lost a friend when I wrote on FB that flu/pneumonia deaths exceeded covid for around 14 weeks. My friend wrote I was the reason he hated FB. I countered with “Facts?”. He came back with a link to a factchecker called Fullfact.org. I then consulted with a few folk on here who gave me enough ammunition to go back with a suitable reply. Soon after my friend deactivated his FB account. Foolfuckt?

202165 ▶▶ PWL, replying to Suburbian, #99 of 1876 🔗

Well, I am not surprised.

The people who think you should be remorselessly obeying government, as useless as it is, won’t have your back in a spot. Find people who will. Let the dead bury the dead.

Action to end the interminable unlawful lockdown

200410 Nessimmersion, replying to Nessimmersion, 35, #100 of 1876 🔗

Modern diagnostics

202172 ▶▶ PWL, replying to Nessimmersion, #101 of 1876 🔗

NHS technicians can’t find their own anus with both hands, so this cartoon is relatively positive.
Covid-19 is not flu

200411 Ovis, replying to Ovis, 7, #102 of 1876 🔗

The picture is not of Nero. It is of Xerxes’ soldiers whipping the Hellespont.

200439 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Ovis, 5, #103 of 1876 🔗

Well spotted. No Roman soldier worth his salarium would be seen dressed as a Persian.

200477 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Mr Dee, 3, #104 of 1876 🔗

Plus would not have worn a soft cap and a curly beard. My history buff inside was screaming but I’m glad there are other geeks here besides me 🙂

200497 ▶▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to Thomas_E, 1, #105 of 1876 🔗

Wasn’t it Caligula who got his army to fight Neptune, not Nero?

201035 ▶▶ Graham, replying to Ovis, 2, #106 of 1876 🔗

Yes – first thing I noticed. We had it in Herodotus in the original Greek at school. I was crap at Greek but that story stuck in my mind.

200413 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 8, #107 of 1876 🔗

The great lockdown of Wales is to arrive on Friday

I have a cunning plan to win back our freedom and save the economy

South Wales Police are currently issuing one 30 quid covid fixed penalty ticket a month

The population of South Wales is 299,229

That is .00000334192% of a ticket per person per day

If they crowd fund to pay the fine(s) at current rates it will cost each of them 0.0001002576 pence per day

Although I don’t agree with paying, it is a small price price to pay for a get out of jail free card

Yes 0.0001002576 pence per day to have your freedom back and save the economy

Just think of it as a covid tax

All we need now is a volunteer

I’ll pay monthly by direct debit

200416 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Cecil B, 13, #108 of 1876 🔗

Don’t pay: they will never collect.

200436 ▶▶ cloud6, replying to Cecil B, 11, #109 of 1876 🔗

Don’t give the manic obsessive lunatics running the Government (asylum) any more idea’s, ” covid tax “, they will bloody do it ! . The better idea would be do NOT pay any fine’s, mass non payment would screw that up.

201203 ▶▶▶ Adam, replying to cloud6, 1, #110 of 1876 🔗

This covid19 is Johnson’s polltax moment

200442 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Cecil B, 13, #111 of 1876 🔗

Check out:

https://www.rebelnews.com/fight_the_fines_uk

Fight The Fines UK

Every day, ordinary Brits being fined, arrested and even assaulted by police for increasingly bizarre and unreasonable pandemic lockdown rules. We’re hiring a lawyer to fight back!

201080 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Mr Dee, 2, #112 of 1876 🔗

They even take PayPal.

200452 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Cecil B, 9, #113 of 1876 🔗

I’ve just set up a monthly direct debit with the Fight the Fines UK organisers.

I hope those 4 Notts lads who got £10,000 each for hosting a party manage to get help from them.

200455 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Mr Dee, 6, #114 of 1876 🔗

Oooh!! 10k. Don’t pay, they will never enforce that

200531 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Cecil B, 10, #115 of 1876 🔗

The Fight the Fines organisation is to support people to access legal help to avoid the fines. Fines will be fought, not paid.

201214 ▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Mr Dee, 3, #116 of 1876 🔗

When this is over We need political reform to guarantee our rights sovereignty and importantly to control our government and stop overeach

202181 ▶▶ PWL, replying to Cecil B, #117 of 1876 🔗

I have no words, otherwise I would be too unkind, but the strongest objection obviously has to be indicated.

Action to end the interminable unlawful lockdown

200414 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 6, #118 of 1876 🔗

This link was posted yesterday, but it is worth repeating here:

https://www.rebelnews.com/fight_the_fines_uk

200443 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Basileus, 7, #119 of 1876 🔗

Spread the word! Fight the fines!

200417 Jay Berger, 2, #120 of 1876 🔗

All of Stacey Rudin’s articles are terrific.
You can find them at medium or AIER.

200418 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 13, #121 of 1876 🔗

Day whatever. Is the pig dictator still stalking the land?

200426 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Cecil B, 19, #122 of 1876 🔗

Yes and haven’t you heard? Each family must now hand over 50% of their corn yield to feed NHS workers and on reaching 16 your first born son will be taken away to work in the vaccine factories.

200459 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Achilles, 7, #123 of 1876 🔗

An offer of a job, fantastic, I’ll get him out of school now

200503 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Achilles, #124 of 1876 🔗

Is he going to demand a shag with every maiden before her wedding day? How the fuck is he leader?

201093 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to chaos, 3, #125 of 1876 🔗

Ius primi porci.

200419 Recusant, 12, #126 of 1876 🔗

19th October looks high for the same reason that the 12th and 5th October look high. It’s a Monday.

200425 Milan, 3, #127 of 1876 🔗

Interesting article from the 2018/19 about problems with Facebook “fact-checking” on BBC referring to article in the Guardian. This was 2 years before coronamania when these 2 media became prolockdown propaganda outlets.

-https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-47098021
-https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/dec/13/they-dont-care-facebook-fact-checking-in-disarray-as-journalists-push-to-cut-ties

200427 stewart, replying to stewart, 46, #128 of 1876 🔗

We are choosing economic destruction and loss of liberty in order to increase our chances of remaining alive this year from 99.95% to 99.96%.

200430 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to stewart, 46, #129 of 1876 🔗

To quote Lord Sumption, ‘People are not obeying the rules, and why on earth should they’.

200453 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Basileus, 25, #130 of 1876 🔗

Many on here are disobeying. So far I’m still within the law but it won’t take much. Judging by the visitors my neighbours in tier 2 are getting, they are disobeying frequently. More power to them.
The trouble is how do we regain the social contract and trust in government, is it broken forever?

200462 ▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to steph, 15, #131 of 1876 🔗

The government of the UK requires the consent of the governed under UK Common Law. If that is declining then the government is losing its legitimacy and the only route to recovery, as far as I can see, is the renewal of that consent through some sort of democratic process. I am not a constitutional lawyer so disclaimers apply. Perhaps someone can help us out?

200728 ▶▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Basileus, 7, #132 of 1876 🔗

As I have mentioned before ,the correspondent from the Netherlands on UK Column is absolutely brilliant on Common Law go to UK column for his links on this.

201428 ▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Basileus, 4, #133 of 1876 🔗

Alex Thompson on UKColumn recommended those interested in Common Law to visit WE-THE-PEOPLE.co.uk

200467 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to steph, 17, #134 of 1876 🔗

All of our institutions have been compromised by taking part in the charade.

It is very likely there will be a reset of some sort – but a financial one, not that the WEF wants – and that most of our current structures will fall with the end of the current debt-based financial paradigm.

The post-1945 world is finished.

200687 ▶▶▶▶▶ Van Allen, replying to calchas, 8, #135 of 1876 🔗

I agree. If collapse of the current financial system is not the aim of the current policies, it will definitely be a side effect.

200480 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to steph, 21, #136 of 1876 🔗

Trust in the current crop of MPs has gone and cannot really be restored. It would take public self-immolation by all of them to convince me of their contrition.

200640 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to steph, 11, #137 of 1876 🔗

Is it broken forever ? I’d say yes it is! Their actions during this man made scamdemic have shown what shallow arrogant conmen they really are.

200659 ▶▶▶▶ Mrs issedoff, replying to steph, 12, #138 of 1876 🔗

I didn’t follow the rules in the beginning so I’m certainly not now!.

200431 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to stewart, 12, #139 of 1876 🔗

Sorry I don’t really understand all those numbers but clearly you don’t care enough about grannies and should be ashamed.

200444 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Achilles, 6, #140 of 1876 🔗

Ah, I think you have found the Achilles heel. (OK, OK, I’m going).

200469 ▶▶▶ Graham3, replying to Achilles, 5, #141 of 1876 🔗

My Granny was given Vioxx for arthritis and promptly developed heart failure. ( I was given Vioxx for Lyme disease about the same time but as it had no benefit I didn’t take it for more than a few days)

200568 ▶▶▶▶ Graham3, replying to Graham3, 8, #142 of 1876 🔗

Merck pharmaceuticals, who released Vioxx about 20 years ago, was sued for releasing a drug they knew knocked down even young people with heart failure.

201435 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Graham3, 3, #143 of 1876 🔗

I thought HCQ was good for Lyme disease.

201614 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #144 of 1876 🔗

Unfortunately, HCQ is cheap …..

201097 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Achilles, 5, #145 of 1876 🔗

You only need to read the comments on the Western Mail site to realise that some Pembrokeshire people would kill your granny, and probably their oen, if they thought it would help save their sordid, gutless, nauseating little selves from this almost entirely imaginary threat.

201143 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to annie, 4, #146 of 1876 🔗

Sorry, should read Western Telegraph . The Mail is for zombies Wales-wide, the Telegraph just for the local coven.

200428 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 12, #147 of 1876 🔗

Can I just confirm your article “Breathing is Dangerous”, oxygen is a highly corrosive element and damages the lungs with every breath. Therefore oxygen along with carbon dioxide should be removed from the atmosphere.

I had the misfortune to catch a little of some BBC program, it got global warming and the killer disease in. Pathetic.

200641 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Smelly Melly, 3, #148 of 1876 🔗

Don’t forget the incredibly hazardous dihydrogen monoxide.
Kills hundreds of thousands every year it does!

200646 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Nessimmersion, 2, #149 of 1876 🔗

About 600 people a year in Britain alone.

201100 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Nessimmersion, 1, #150 of 1876 🔗

Eye-watering, ain’t it!

200433 John Stone, replying to John Stone, 1, #151 of 1876 🔗

Will covid-19 vaccines save lives? Current trials aren’t designed to tell us BMJ 2020 ; 371 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.m4037&nbsp ; (Published 21 October 2020)
Cite this as: BMJ 2020;371:m4037
Linked Editorial Covid-19 vaccine trial protocols released
Read our latest coverage of the coronavirus outbreak

  1. Peter Doshi, associate editor
  2. Author affiliations
200481 ▶▶ Julian, replying to John Stone, 8, #152 of 1876 🔗

I don’t think governments care whether they will save lives

200634 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Julian, 8, #153 of 1876 🔗

It’s purely about controlling us. They don’t give a damn about our lives or our health.

200900 ▶▶▶ John Stone, replying to Julian, 1, #154 of 1876 🔗

No, I don’t either but an academic publication in a major journal should be valuable.

201798 ▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to John Stone, 1, #155 of 1876 🔗

It doesn’t need to. The lockdown cultists just need to believe it will. They don’t do facts.

200438 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 35, #156 of 1876 🔗

Wear Your Mask
Submit To Control
Obey Big Brother

Dump Your Mask
Take Back Control
Regain Your Freedom

WE-THE-PEOPLE.CO.UK

201225 ▶▶ Adam, replying to PastImperfect, #157 of 1876 🔗

We need a written constitution and no more of the Royalty bs also consign the 18th class system to the bin of history where it belongs

200441 John Stone, replying to John Stone, 4, #158 of 1876 🔗

BMJ Rapid Response: Dr Noel Thomas challenges barrister Daniel Sokol over informed vaccine consent:-

Re: New guidance from the GMC: what constitutes meaningful dialogue? Re: New guidance from the GMC: what constitutes meaningful dialogue? Daniel Sokol. 371:doi 10.1136/bmj.m3933
Dear Editor,
Daniel Sokol writes, “As far as I know, there is no legal authority for the proposition that doctors should disclose a risk that is negligible and immaterial, even if serious harm could result if it eventuates.”
Will Sokol please explain how one can asses that a risk is negligible and immaterial, if it can also cause serious harm?
Legal precedent exists for a surgeon being judged culpable because he did not discuss, pre operatively, a risk accepted as serious, albeit in only about one in a thousand instances.
Damages of £4.4 million were awarded in that case. (1)
It is no secret that we have a dysfunctional system of informed consent to vaccination in the UK. No one has dissented, when this has been pointed out many times in recent years. (2)
One example is the warning in the Bexsero vaccine Patient Information Leaflet that Kawasaki disease may follow the vaccine, in “ up to one in a thousand people .” (3)
In the first year of a child’s life this implies a cumulative risk of one in three hundred and thirty three. (4)
Anecdotal accounts suggest that this information is not usually discussed with parents, before their child is vaccinated. Nor, anecdotally, do the parents of children with Kawasaki disease always have this association discussed with them, if hospital admission is necessary.
These are not rare and unusual problems that provide the material of footnotes and small print.
They are everyday areas of clinical practice, where honest discussion and communication of risk is a frequent duty for most doctors.
Further clarification of the GMC advice, and its relevance to vaccination, is surely necessary?
1. https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/QB/2018/164.html
2. https://www.bmj.com/content/367/bmj.l6926/rr-7
3. https://www.medicines.org.uk/emc/files/pil.5168.pdf
4. https://www.bmj.com/content/367/bmj.l6447/rr-2

200484 ▶▶ Julian, replying to John Stone, 7, #159 of 1876 🔗

I wrote to the GMC about mandatory vaccinations and this is what I got back. Somewhat equivocal:

Dear Mr XXXXXX
Thank you for your email about mandatory vaccinations for coronavirus.
I thought it might help to start by clarifying that we are able to advise on our expectations of doctors in relation to our guidance, but not on government policy. Whilst we can’t tell doctors what to do in a particular situation, we can advise on the principles in our guidance which might be relevant in helping them decide how to proceed.
Our guidance
In our core guidance, Good medical practice we are clear that patients must be able to trust doctors with their lives and their health and respect patient’s rights to reach decisions with doctors about their care and their treatment (see Good medical practice , duties of a doctor ).
In our Consent guidance, in our paragraphs under the subheading, ‘Ensuring that decisions are voluntary’, we say that patients must not be put under pressure by employers, relatives or others to accept a particular investigation or treatment ( paragraph 41 ).
We also say that doctors must respect a patient’s decision to refuse an investigation or treatment even if they think it is wrong or irrational.  If the doctor is concerned about the consequences of the patient’s decision, they should explain and clearly outline this to the patient. However, we are also clear that the doctor should not put any pressure on the patient to accept the advice ( paragraph 43 ).
I hope this is helpful in setting out our expectations of doctors in this area.
Kind regards
XXXXXXXX
Policy Officer
General Medical Council

200632 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Julian, 8, #160 of 1876 🔗

I no longer trust our NHS or my GP with my health. That trust has long dissipated.

200751 ▶▶▶▶ Sylvie, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #161 of 1876 🔗

Stimulated by Victoria and others here, I asked for the hazard sheet or package insert for my shingles vaccination (Zostavax) this week (only on offer to the over 70’s,’ because it’s expensive’ according to nurse. I’ve actually had wild virus chickenpox as a child but didn’t think it mattered). Produced a copy for me without difficulty, although nurse told me only had one copy per box of 30. So then I asked for same for flu vaccine received previous week, again produced one without difficulty. Nurse commented that nobody usually asked, although for children’s meningitis vaccinations they get supplied with enough copies per box to hand out one per dose. I’ve never been offered one for 2 previous flu jabs. They’re both the usual sort of medicines leaflet, similar to a surveyor’s report on a house, you’d never buy it if you were totally risk averse. Flu lists the 2 Type A, one Type B strains included this year. As I’ve never had flu in my life and never knew anyone who did in 1957-8 or 1968-9, nor had any reaction to vaccination other than transient upper arm soreness, I’m not that bothered if I have it or don’t. Decided to do it this year in case of Covid, although recently seems as if you get that in preference to flu and pneumonia? Anyway, the flu leaflet does specifically say that ‘The vaccine will not protect you against the common cold, even though some of the symptoms are similar to flu.’ Similarly, exposure to corona viruses doesn’t protect you against flu viruses.
So my question is – why are hospital admissions for flu (and pneumonia) right down, and CV19 prevails over them? And if CV19 is only one of many viruses that can give rise to pneumonia (congestion of lungs with fluid), is there a body of knowledge about the annual incidence of prevailing viruses causing pneumonia in previous years? Just as WHO obviously knows which are prevalent flu viruses in each hemisphere annually? Are all patients admitted with respiratory illness tested for all the prevalent viruses, flu and corona, before diagnosing CV19 as the cause of their breathing problems? Not sure if it matters, really, as presumably there’s always prevalent strains of flu and CV and HRV etc in any one winter – but is the treatment the same for all respiratory conditions, more or less? So many questions, I realise I could go to Google Scholar, but not being a medic, it’s hard to know where to begin looking.

200765 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Julian, 9, #162 of 1876 🔗

The GP whom I saw on Tuesday did exactly as advised in Good Medical Practice; while treating a small benign skin lesion, he asked if I would like to have the flu vaccine as well, to save time.

After a brief discussion I declined and he was entirely in agreement,emphasising that it is entirely voluntary and he knew of many valid reasons why some people refuse.

My bare face was accepted too; no hostility at all.

200890 ▶▶▶ John Stone, replying to Julian, 1, #163 of 1876 🔗

This looks pretty much OK – correct advice but is it the practice? Obviously not often enough.

200911 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to John Stone, 1, #164 of 1876 🔗

It looks OK but what they DIDN’T say was that, given this is their policy, it meant that they would NOT support mandatory vaccination. So they have left themselves wiggle room.

Anyway, now the law has changed they can get more or less anyone to give vaccinations so even if doctors refuse they can get someone else to do it

200954 ▶▶▶▶▶ John Stone, replying to Julian, #165 of 1876 🔗

That is an important point (though I guess mostly vaccines were delivered by nurses). However, the government should still be bound I should imagine by the Montgomery ruling.

201032 ▶▶▶▶▶ John Stone, replying to Julian, #166 of 1876 🔗

I think perhaps the GMC is not in a position to give an undertaking on mandates – but I think Hancock and Simon Stevens who would love mandates will not get them for reasons of greater government liability for injury.

201261 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Julian, 3, #167 of 1876 🔗

All sounds nice, but I do not trust doctors or the NHS to be concerned about my well being. I intend to do my best to have my current location disappear from their records.

200445 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 9, #168 of 1876 🔗

Van Morrison (for tis he) tweeted that the Northern Ireland executive has published its scientific evidence for lockdown. This government document, produced by ‘experts’ includes the word ‘anectodoatal’. Boy, are they clever…
https://twitter.com/vanmorrison/status/1318906142987255810

200490 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Sam Vimes, 7, #169 of 1876 🔗

Amazing how much of it says “low impact”.

Looking at their references all they refer to is UK Government links – no science, no independent research, nothing.

It’s all bollocks.

200521 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Awkward Git, 8, #170 of 1876 🔗

“It’s. All. Bollocks.” You are the government’s mystery three word slogan writer, and I claim my five pounds!

200811 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #171 of 1876 🔗

“This government document, produced by ‘experts’ includes the word ‘anectodoatal’.”

That is probably Ulster Scots 😉

200823 ▶▶▶ Emily Tock, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #172 of 1876 🔗

Nah – Aztec – rhymes with Quetzalcoatl

200974 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Emily Tock, 3, #173 of 1876 🔗

You could have finished with “I’ll get my coatl then”.

200447 PoshPanic, 9, #174 of 1876 🔗

Congrats to Toby and crew. The updates are getting stronger by the day, great work!

Theme tune suggestion.The late, great Richie Havens cover of Motherless Child at Woodstock. Freedom! Worth staying in for the last verse 🙂

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwXtYEtngpA

200448 calchas, replying to calchas, 74, #175 of 1876 🔗

The fact that there can be so much discussion of the epidemiological minutiae shows this whole situation up for what it is.

If there were really some awful disease going around which would justify the extreme measures taken, then there would be no such discussion. It would be bleeding obvious what was going on.

Furthermore, the very fact that these measures – distancing, lockdowns, masking – are being mandated by government is very telling. People want to live, we have honed our survival instincts over millions of years. If there really were a dangerous panic, then people wouldn’t need to be told what to do.

It’s all one big charade.

200457 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to calchas, 22, #176 of 1876 🔗

Yesssss…..I don’t need a weatherman to tell me it’s pissing down. It’s all an illusion.

200461 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to stefarm, 12, #177 of 1876 🔗

Exactly my thought when the plebs say “You’re not a medical expert…”

200491 ▶▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Sam Vimes, 23, #178 of 1876 🔗

My response to this sort of objection is:

“I’m not an aeronautical engineer either, but I know a jumbo jet when I see one”.

200501 ▶▶▶▶ Kev, replying to Sam Vimes, 29, #179 of 1876 🔗

Don’t need to be a farmer to recognise bullshit

200570 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Sam Vimes, 4, #180 of 1876 🔗

It’s a “kill the messenger” gambit. But it’s not about me, it’s about the facts.

200463 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to stefarm, 3, #181 of 1876 🔗

Weathermen … Morituri … Takes me back.

Thanks Johnson.

201111 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to stefarm, 6, #182 of 1876 🔗

My dad had the answer to that.
Get some anhydrous copper sulphate. Put in dish.
Put dish outside.
If the copper sulphate turns blue, then it’s raining

200492 ▶▶ 2 pence, replying to calchas, 45, #183 of 1876 🔗

This was the best ever comment on LS :

“if there was a real pandemic, the government and the media would do everything to calm us down”

200626 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to 2 pence, 5, #184 of 1876 🔗

Excellent point.

201204 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to 2 pence, 6, #185 of 1876 🔗

Yes. One of the old apocalyptic writers, John Wyndham I think, wrote something like ‘the time to be worried is when the newspapers print only GOOD news.’

200520 ▶▶ VickyA, replying to calchas, 7, #186 of 1876 🔗

All these measures…what we used to refer to as “rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic”

200977 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to calchas, 3, #187 of 1876 🔗

Excellent points!

200997 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to calchas, 6, #188 of 1876 🔗

I genuinely think anyone of average intelligence can be an epidemiologist and make predictions as good (or as bad) as the average epidemiologist about future Covid case numbers, hospitalisations and deaths. Spend an hour or two perusing some graphs and reading up on the disease from credible sources (ignore Imperial College papers) and you’ll be in the ball park.

201122 ▶▶ John P, replying to calchas, 6, #189 of 1876 🔗

“If there really were a dangerous panic, then people wouldn’t need to be told what to do.”

Well, there’s certainly been a dangerous panic.

Did you mean “dangerous virus”?

200450 RickH, replying to RickH, 26, #190 of 1876 🔗

I was a bit surprised when I saw the opening sentence of today’s edition :

“Yesterday saw the biggest daily rise yet in positive tests reported: 26,688.”

As if this was a significant fact, rather than the main plank of the current scam.

We here know that PCR tests are as reliable as a plasticene ruler as indicator of infection and disease – especially when raw figures are used. The sources of error in the testing are numerous in terms of locating significant viral matter, as was stated clearly be Kary Mullis :

“if you can amplify one simple molecule up to something that you can really measure, which PCR can do, then there’s just very few molecules that you don’t have at least one single one of them in your body. ”

I know that the article rightly goes on to question the lack of other indicators – but first sentences are important, but the concept that PCR testing should be used as the prime diagnostic needs to be constantly knocked on the head. It’s an unscientific fraud.

200456 ▶▶ calchas, replying to RickH, 13, #191 of 1876 🔗

Yes – if we accept the PCR nonsense, then we make the task of truth significantly harder.

It is a flawed premise, and therefore everything built on it is wrong.

201400 ▶▶▶ TT, replying to calchas, 3, #192 of 1876 🔗

Even the term “PCR test” is grossly misleading in my opinion… PCR is an amplification procedure that was never intended to be used as a first-line diagnostic tool.

200458 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to RickH, 1, #193 of 1876 🔗

Another way of looking at it, is maybe as a gateway headline. If people visit for the first time, they’re seeing something that’s familiar from the MSM sites and might be more likely to lure them in?

200464 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #194 of 1876 🔗

Possibly – but I’m dubious. Starting off with what is subliminally a confirmation of the major myth is not a good idea.

Even in those terms, there is an immediate refutation that could be presented – in the form of the CEBM graph, which shows an essentially flat trajectory :

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/tracking-uk-covid-19-cases/

200684 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to RickH, 1, #195 of 1876 🔗

A pity the last five-year average was not included in the diagram.

200465 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to RickH, 8, #196 of 1876 🔗

Not if your an MP with shares in a testing company it isn’t

Tulip bulbs anyone?

200474 ▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 1, #197 of 1876 🔗

In fairness, Will did use “positive tests” rather than “cases”.

200485 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Mark, 2, #198 of 1876 🔗

Actually used “cases” in quotes, in the headline.

200479 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to RickH, #199 of 1876 🔗

Agreed

200623 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to RickH, 2, #200 of 1876 🔗

Ah but there is money to be made and that’s the real motivation!

200629 ▶▶ alw, replying to RickH, 6, #201 of 1876 🔗

They are not cases until they are admitted to hospital. They are people testing positive to the PCR test which has a high rate of false positives. Indeed these people should be subject to a different test a few days later to check the reliability. We also learn today that people who are tested twice count as two so called cases….fraudulent to say the very least

201267 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to alw, 2, #202 of 1876 🔗

I think it was on LS that someone posted the following about defining a case of an infectious disease which is ‘notifiable’ like this one.
1) experience symptoms from infection
2) be ill enough to seek medical care or advice.
The physician then suspects correct diagnosis and most often sends a sample to the lab. Tests must come back positive and the case must be reported. What we have instead of a case is a ‘positive test’ – and even on the test packet it states that a positive test is not necessarily a sign of infection as it needs to be taken in context of the diagnosis, IMO Toby should not use the word CASE

201471 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to alw, 1, #203 of 1876 🔗

Why not just use a more reliable test or let people who are feeling sick get tests?

201637 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to PastImperfect, 3, #204 of 1876 🔗

Because the “pandemic ” would disappear overnight without the pillar 2 tests.

No wonder they’re called pillars – they’re propping up the whole scam.

200471 Mark, replying to Mark, 3, #205 of 1876 🔗

Lockdowns ‘kill more Britons than they save’: Leading economists warn that Government’s coronavirus strategy is coming with a heavy price

  • Three experts gave evidence to Treasury Committee urging rethink in approach
  • Two of them claimed blanket lockdowns caused more suffering than mitigated
  • They urged policymakers focus resources on protecting elderly and vulnerable

Decent coverage, but who is this Tony Yates buffoon and where does he get his ideas from?

Tony Yates, of think-tank the Resolution Foundation, was cautious of relaxing restrictions too speedily but said the first lockdown should probably have ended sooner.

Mr Yates pointed out that global data simply did not apply to the UK, where Covid-19 seems to have caused proportionally many more deaths.

He said: ‘To me there is no alternative except for stumbling through these lockdown measures, hoping that test and trace improves, hoping that a vaccine comes. The only alternative is a regular harvest of about 0.6 per cent of the population. ‘”

So somehow he believes that this disease will “harvest” a percentage of people greater than the known ifr, or at best comparable to it if you assume we have a particularly vulnerable elderly population rather than making the more plausible assumption to explain higher UK death rates which is that the UK government killed vulnerable people by prioritising “protecting the NHS”, basically forever? Is he an idiot?

This goes beyond just the usual taking of worst case scenarios and assuming they will definitely happen if we don’t panic respond.

200515 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Basileus, 1, #207 of 1876 🔗

Says it all – Tony Yates – Macroeconomic Policy Unit Research Associate.
Part of the problem …

200516 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Basileus, 1, #208 of 1876 🔗

Looks like an intelligent chap. How does he end up being so profoundly stupid on the disease front? In fairness, I haven’t watched the coverage you also linked, so perhaps the Mail misrepresented his views.

200552 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Mark, 1, #209 of 1876 🔗

Mr Yates possibly has the backing of a billionaire or pharmaceutical company.

200604 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Mark, #210 of 1876 🔗

At least Mr. Yates recognises that all we are doing is “stumbling” along and “hoping” for something to turn up.

200714 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Mark, #211 of 1876 🔗

Is he an idiot?
Obviously. ‘A regular harvest of 0.6% of the population’. The dodgy PHE/ONS figures don’t even back that up.

201554 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Mark, #212 of 1876 🔗

Are hospitals/GPs using early-stage interventions such as well-documented, safe, effective and cheap HCQ treatments?

https://hcqlost.com

201657 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to PastImperfect, #213 of 1876 🔗

Do the rolling numbers refer to the UK, the US, the world??

200473 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 4, #214 of 1876 🔗

I know this isn’t a particularly good historical parallel – but I keep thinking on it.

In 410 (or there abouts) Rome told the Romanised citizenry of Britain they could help them no longer to keep out the marauding Picts, Irish and Saxons and to look to their own defences. Will there yet be a 410 moment with this government?

200487 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Ned of the Hills, 8, #215 of 1876 🔗

No, I think it’s a pretty good historical comparison.

Empires, governments, never voluntarily draw back. They retreat when they run out of resources – ie money.

The West now is in a very similar position to the later Western Roman Empire.

I recommend you look at the financial position of the UK government.

This is before the tsunami of boomer retirements really gets going, with pension, health services and care obligations which are unfunded and clearly unfundable.

Something has to give.

200510 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to calchas, 7, #216 of 1876 🔗

There is one difference, the old Empires had money made from metals, our new Empires can produce endless digital currency (and they certainly have this year!).

They are obviously not going to miss this opportunity to reset government debts and strengthen their hold over the population with a trackable digital currency – this could be perpetual enslavement if people don’t wake up.

201494 ▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Darryl, 3, #217 of 1876 🔗

Spot on! This is definitely where this is all heading – digital currency, trackable health status, probably universal basic income and exclusion for those whom the state cannot monitor. Why let a good pandemic go to waste?

200598 ▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to calchas, 2, #218 of 1876 🔗

Yes, I think it will be the financial costs that will cause a retreat not the madness of it. (Though I note what Darryl says below – is money real an more?)

200564 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Ned of the Hills, 3, #219 of 1876 🔗

I think that Biker might save the day with a Pictish army, as he tells us frequently that he’s a proud Pict.

201117 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to wendyk, 1, #220 of 1876 🔗

With a band of Pict men.

200482 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 2, #221 of 1876 🔗

Darren Nesbitt @ http://www.thelightpaper.co.uk really seems like something to get behind. I’ve subscribed. Please spread the word.

Good interview on Richie Allen’s show yesterday.

201672 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to stefarm, #222 of 1876 🔗

There’s an embryonic fb group too.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/726590428188548

200488 chaos, replying to chaos, 11, #223 of 1876 🔗

How many of the 650 MP’s are in the know of the Great Reset and how many are just dense jolly hockey sticks types?

200500 ▶▶ Liam, replying to chaos, 10, #224 of 1876 🔗

The enormous majority of them are as thick as two short planks.

200502 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to chaos, 6, #225 of 1876 🔗

Almost all, it’s on a need to know basis and they don’t need to know

200526 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to chaos, 5, #226 of 1876 🔗

They are making loads of money they don’t give a shit

In addition to their salaries and proceeds of crime (sorry expenses) they will have been given the inside track on what companies to buy shares in etc

In advance they will know the date of government announcements and how that will effect this or that share price

Expensive consultancies and jobs on boards.

They do not want this to end it’s a goldmine

200489 mattghg, 8, #227 of 1876 🔗

If you are comfortable talking to someone, then it is likely that you are not socially distanced.

WOW.

200493 Alan P, replying to Alan P, 40, #228 of 1876 🔗

It’s heartening to see all these comments. It works like a release valve. I feel that there are many others who think and talk like me, who have the capacity for rational thought and don’t believe in the madness that has taken over a vast majority of people since March.

i know it feels like swimming against the tide with both hands behind you back, but please keep Telling your stories and comments, even if just for my sanity!

200966 ▶▶ MrPudgy, replying to Alan P, 4, #229 of 1876 🔗

And mine

201121 ▶▶ annie, replying to Alan P, 9, #230 of 1876 🔗

Nobody here has any intention of letting up until this country is free.

201228 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to annie, 13, #231 of 1876 🔗

Indeed. The refusal of one brave man (Nick Whitcombe) to close his gym, has resulted in all gyms being allowed to stay open in all tiers. The government presumably wanted to avoid the bad publicity of a prosecution and imprisonment. It shows change CAN happen if ordinary people fight back.

201926 ▶▶ ColoradoGirl, replying to Alan P, #232 of 1876 🔗

Agreed! I fight back depression with this terrible situation. When I come to this site, I am lifted up. Thanks to all of you!

200496 Cotton, replying to Cotton, 6, #233 of 1876 🔗

Is anyone else terrified of what they are going to implement when the standard winter respiratory hospitalisation rates start going up. Victoria here we come.

200506 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cotton, 8, #234 of 1876 🔗

Fear is failure. Think of it as an opportunity to learn new stuff – subversion, guerrilla tactics, sarcasm, alternative means of communication, etc.

201232 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to JohnB, 6, #235 of 1876 🔗

I consider this country to be now under hostile government, similar to that of an occupying army. So I will definitely be brushing up on my subversion tactics.

201906 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cranmer, #236 of 1876 🔗

Yep, has to be done.

200499 crimsonpirate, 10, #238 of 1876 🔗

the way things going the makers of Lemsip are going to need a government bail out

200505 wendyk, 25, #239 of 1876 🔗

Good news folks! My first recruit: waiting in chemist to collect prescription, young man, bare faced standing nearby.

I greeted him and acknowledged his lack of mask.

He can’t stand them;won’t wear one,and has been thrown out of a couple of shops.

Luckily I had a spare badge which I gave him with a few tips.

Off he went, one happy customer: every little helps!

I’d despaired of gaining any converts but hopefully, he’ll spread the word now.

200507 Mark, 5, #240 of 1876 🔗

the last really bad flu season before this one, when a greater proportion of the UK population died – hospitals would leave people dying in waiting rooms

We’ve safely aborted connection on cdn.livetrafficfeed.com because it was infected with URL:Blacklist”

InProportion being given the suppression treatment?

200508 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #241 of 1876 🔗

Link to NI’s evidence page:

https://www.health-ni.gov.uk/covid-19-scientific-evidence

Enjoyable reading in places.

200511 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, #242 of 1876 🔗

These might interest Richard Pinch in particular:

https://www.health-ni.gov.uk/R-Number

They have a chart in each paper showing testes per 1000 population which clearly shows the testing ramp up.

200522 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #243 of 1876 🔗

Reading through the latest one this caught my eye:

“The value of R differs somewhat when other inputs are used”

No shit batman!

200524 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #244 of 1876 🔗

And from the last week of July to the first week of October testing per 1000 population increased from 4 to 34 so about a 700% increase if my maths is correct.

No wonder there are more cases is it?

200696 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Awkward Git, #245 of 1876 🔗

Because there is lag between the inputs. e.g. cases and hospital admissions.

200703 ▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Mayo, 1, #246 of 1876 🔗

So which is correct?

I know – the scariest to justify whatever the next piece of idiocy is.

200523 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Awkward Git, 9, #247 of 1876 🔗

It’s all a load of testes…

200788 ▶▶▶ Bobblybob, replying to Awkward Git, #248 of 1876 🔗

‘testes’ 🙂

200698 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Awkward Git, #249 of 1876 🔗

The paper about flu and Covid-19 together has just over 20,000 patients out of roughtly 78,000 admitted with probable Covid-19 (doesn’t seem to be tested)

96% of people with respiratory issues of this 20000 were not tested for flu. Only roughly 800 were.

200744 ▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to mhcp, 2, #250 of 1876 🔗

Not “issues” but problems. Can we re-instate the proper use of the word “issue”?

201003 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Ned of the Hills, 2, #251 of 1876 🔗

Hear, bloody hear! The word ‘issue’ has many meanings, but ‘problem’ is not one of them.

200894 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #252 of 1876 🔗

You probably already know this, AG, but this is just the document/evidence that SAGE used to suggest a ‘circuit breaker’ to Johnson & Co. after the SAGE meeting on 21st September.

The summary that goes with it is here: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/925854/S0769_Summary_of_effectiveness_and_harms_of_NPIs.pdf

NI Gov are pushing it a bit calling it evidence.

201240 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Ceriain, 1, #253 of 1876 🔗

There is no evidence supplied by them.

200512 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 21, #254 of 1876 🔗

Just want to add my two-penn’orth regarding car mechanics.

Just been to collect the motorised roller-skate/money devourer from the garage, after its MOT and there was none of the covibollox. Mechanic had to get quite close as he was showing me where water was coming into the boot (there’s a leak). He didn’t flinch, didn’t insist on a mask and didn’t insist I use the gloop. And, best of all it passed first time!

200525 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to kh1485, 2, #255 of 1876 🔗

Off topic I know but where was the water coming in as I have leak in the boot too?!

200530 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Achilles, 2, #256 of 1876 🔗

It’s not a Mark 3 Focus by any chance, is it?

200533 ▶▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Sam Vimes, 8, #257 of 1876 🔗

No it is a Ford but a Mondeo.

(Apologies to everyone for this discussion, normal government hating service will be resumed shortly, just after some free car advice)

200535 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Achilles, 2, #258 of 1876 🔗

Nice to have a bit of a (useful – hopefully) diversion though!

200534 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Achilles, 5, #259 of 1876 🔗

Well according to the rip-off merchant – here comes a dopey woman so I can rip her off last garage I went to, it, it was the weather seal.

But this guy took one look, chucked a can of water over the back of the car and found the leak immediately: the seals round the rear lights (I thought it was odd as the water was under the bit of felt/carpet stuff that covers the boot, so I was always a bit suspicious of the weather seal explanation).

Just seen you have a Ford – same as me – probably same problem.

200549 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to kh1485, 4, #260 of 1876 🔗

Achilles/KH1485, there is tons of stuff on Youtube, complete how to’s. Mine involved removing the back bumper, removing vents and siliconing them. Took me most of the day, going slowly and carefully, but I reckon I could do it again in about 2 or 3 hours. Money saved *and* you know it’s been done properly.
Can’t recommend Youtube enough, there was a full step by step for my problem.

200553 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #261 of 1876 🔗

Thanks Sam. But your post has filled me with terror. I think I will just have to fork out the dosh for the nice bloke at my new garage to sort it out. I just *know* I will make it worse. But I appreciate the thought nontheless 😉

200573 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to kh1485, 2, #262 of 1876 🔗

KH, if it’s a Focus, have a look at the ‘bungs’ mentioned in this vid, one minute in:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJpgZorpULM

It’s really easy, you just take a plug out and then put it back. No tools. If water comes out (NB will run down your arm), you may well have the problem I had, and fixing the light cluster seals may not fully get the problem. At least ask your garage if they know about the vents problem.

Also check for wetness in passenger footwells. Had to dry one of mine with a wet vac.

200547 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Achilles, 1, #263 of 1876 🔗

That’s the trouble with the Welsh! (lol)

200513 chaos, replying to chaos, 6, #264 of 1876 🔗

I shall try to make this my last comment today. Too much stress. But The Great Reset isn’t going to work is it? How can it? What will really happen over the next few days, weeks and months? Surely this madness will be stopped?

200538 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to chaos, 8, #265 of 1876 🔗

Very gradually some columnists are asking the right questions and finally doing some research. They cannot keep this Plandemic going, there will be a breaking point soon.

200550 ▶▶ IanE, replying to chaos, 1, #266 of 1876 🔗

Well, I certainly hope so!

200618 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to chaos, 8, #267 of 1876 🔗

I lost interest in the Great Reset when I realised that my credit card debts were not going to be written off

200514 steph, replying to steph, 15, #268 of 1876 🔗

Trip to the dental hygienist first thing. It was my second trip to the dentist since masks became compulsory and my first since we moved to tier 2. The dentist is private, I understand that many NHS are still not providing much or any service.
On the first trip where I had a proper drilling and filling treatment I was required to call from the car park and then ushered in, temperature check, goop and “have you got a mask? Said I was exempt and there was a nervous giggle and a lack of knowledge what to do but they didn’t push it. When I was waiting mid appointment for the cap to be milled, I chose to return to my car and was brought back in by the nurse. Throughout my dentist and nurse were friendly and professional.
Today, even though we are in tier 2, no mention was made of my mask-less status and the whole appointment proceeded without any issues at all. Usual temp check and goop but I put up with those on such occasions. I was the only person, including receptionists behind a screen, who was mask-less. Well done them for causing me no embarrassment.
I have to say my depression gets worse and I nearly burst into tears in the hygienist’s chair. She did nothing wrong but the whole dystopian game is really too much.

200529 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to steph, 10, #269 of 1876 🔗

Excellent work to venture into the lion’s den and uphold your principles. It may not feel like it, but you have made a difference today.

200536 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to steph, 6, #270 of 1876 🔗

You did it! And you will be able to do it again, and maybe tell someone else they can do it. Richard O is absolutely right, well done.

200551 ▶▶ PaulC, replying to steph, 6, #271 of 1876 🔗

Went to private dentist on Monday; have to wait outside – challenged by dental nurse for not wearing a mask. Said ‘exempt’ – asked ‘Is this for a medical reason?’ Answer ‘Yes’ followed by awkward pause but nothing more said!

200562 ▶▶ ambwozere, replying to steph, 3, #272 of 1876 🔗

Well done, my dentist hasn’t insisted on masks for patients only for his staff and him. Mind you I do wonder if he’s a bit of a sceptic at heart.

200597 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to steph, 8, #273 of 1876 🔗

Good for you! I’ve just called my practice to arrange for regular scale and polish;still not available on the NHS.

The practice answer phone message is batty: NHS procedures are limited to dental emergencies, but a limited number of privately funded procedures is available. This is immediately followed up by:’ We are currently accepting new NHS patients, so please speak to a member of our team to arrange an appointment’.

Good luck with that!

Even standard NHS checks are still verboten.

And,to add to the fun, charges for scale and polish have risen sharply since my last appointment on August 31st.

This ,apparently, is to compensate the practice for loss of income; a direct result of Holyrood’s clamp down on routine NHS procedures and the increased costs incurred : plastic, plastic, more plastic,cleaning, surgeries emptied for 60 minutes between procedures.

So,Professor Leitch, wherever you are, have a long hard think about the damage being done to the dental profession and its NHS patients.

This farce has dragged on since March,with no end in sight.

200517 covid_skeptic, 3, #274 of 1876 🔗

Update from Sydney. My child is going public primary school 4th grade, no masks, no social distancing. Parents aren’t allowed on school grounds. This started in May, the middle of winter and no issues.

There was a huge tv production crew in Ultimo (Sydney) filming an American pharmaceutical commercial for an Asthma medicine. Everyone not being filmed was wearing a mask. The woman I spoke with said they are filming in Australia since they can’t film in America.

200518 Chicot, 4, #275 of 1876 🔗

Clampdown by Bruce Springsteen?! Er Toby, ever heard of The Clash?

200519 court, replying to court, 12, #276 of 1876 🔗

2yo came home early yesterday from preschool with a temperature, kept him off today as he’s all phlegmy with a temp from time to time. Hopefully he’ll be back tomorrow. They didn’t mention a test, he wouldn’t be having one anyway. They’re non-hysterical there, stayed open throughout for ‘key workers’ such as myself. Perhaps they see it like me, if they force a poorly kid to get tested as a condition of return and it comes back (fake) positive then the whole place has got to isolate. What’s in it for them?

200571 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to court, 8, #277 of 1876 🔗

Both my young kids have chesty phlegmy coughs, but no temp. One of the new Covid policies in their creche is if they have a new, continuous cough they need testing before they can return (if negative, otherwise isolate at home). They have had their coughs for over a week now and nothing has been said to us and we have kept our mouths shut, carrying on as normal. You can hear other kids coughing when dropping off/collecting them. I reckon they dont want such young kids to go through the test. Mine are 2.5 and 1.5.
If they asked us to get them tested I would just keep them at home for a couple of weeks, I am not putting my kids through a test, no effing way.

200537 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 13, #278 of 1876 🔗

A brave man has scaled the scaffolding at Big Ben and unfurled an anti-lockdown banner. Met too busy checking face masks and photo ID to intervene. https://www.rt.com/uk/504215-big-ben-activist-anti-lockdown-banner/

200539 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #279 of 1876 🔗

It looks like regional divisiveness might end up being our path out of this mess.

200543 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #280 of 1876 🔗

Blm and extinction part of the job arguing for more lockdown cash. Cannot read the banners in the photos a present but see no reasin that’s not an establishment managed opposition.

200682 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Basics, 2, #281 of 1876 🔗

Yep, surely any activist worth his/her salt would come up with a catchier more visible effort ?

200706 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Londo Mollari, #282 of 1876 🔗

They were too busy checking the basement for fireworks probably.

200540 Mark H, replying to Mark H, 11, #283 of 1876 🔗

Professor Leitch, erstwhile dentist turned specialist in public health, has announced that the idea of having big family gatherings this Xmas is a “fiction”.

Leith, whose schooling included attending Airdrie Acadmey for 6 years, where he played a role in the school’s performance of HMS Pinafore, says we need to prepare for a digital Christmas. Another term found in our “new normal”.

Presumably this means cheering festively over Zoom and only seeing those in your “support bubble”, as long as it’s not more than 2 households and doesn’t contain more than 6 people.

It would be unkind to question Leitch’s credentials as National Clinical Director, yet unhelpfully his Wikipedia entry contains no verifiable citations on his “professorship” or how he went from being a specialist in root canals to a specialist in leading a country’s response to a respiratory viral outbreak. However, he is an honourary consultant in Oral Surgery.

Hence, he’s the man with the information and guidance that shapes the plan.
And the plan is, according to our Professor Leitch, that it’s an unthinkable option to gather with our families this festive season.

Stick to your bubble. The rule of six applies. Save granny, by not having her round for Xmas dinner.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-54643340

200545 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Mark H, 6, #284 of 1876 🔗

I think we need to consider locking up these lockdown luvvies or else we’ll never have a life!

200560 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Mark H, 2, #285 of 1876 🔗

If I had my way he’d be struck off and confined to a Lubyanka look alike. perhaps we could export him yo the real Lubyanka?

200563 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Mark H, 8, #286 of 1876 🔗

Now dentists all, whoever you may be,
If you want to rise to the top of the tree,
If your soul isn’t fettered to a dental stool,
Be careful to be guided by this golden rule.

Stick close to your teeth and never see disease,
And you all may be rulers of the Viral Wheeze!

200616 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Mark H, 3, #287 of 1876 🔗

Professor gifted to him by Dundee University.
There is a noticanle absence of click throught’s on his wikipedia. Particukarly relevant to his CBE – for service to health. Leaves us unaware of what giant feat earned him a royal recognition.

200541 Bella Donna, 2, #288 of 1876 🔗
200542 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 39, #289 of 1876 🔗

The lesser of two evils?

Research indicates that between 80-90% of adult males in the UK regularly consume sexual pornography. The figure for females is 60-70 %. I find this utterly unbelievable which either confirms me as truly naive or unashamedly and childishly innocent. The other explanation for these gross and exaggerated figures is that Professor Neil Ferguson has been moonlighting and has applied his twenty year record of getting things spectacularly wrong to this most personal aspect of human behaviour.

Sexual pornography, whilst carrying a high degree of mental health risk for those who view it, and physical risk for those who indulge in it, doesn’t hold a candle to the sheer destructive power of that other pornography that is thrust down our throats, day and night, by mainstream TV channels and newspapers. I refer of course to the constant brain sapping, mind destroying, full on bombardment of Covid Pornography.

Here are bona fide examples of how educated, relatively wealthy, and former pillars of society that are within my sphere of acquaintance are now, and have been, behaving—direct results of Covid porn addiction.

* Leaves food in car for 3-4 days before bringing in house to make sure ‘Covid’ dies.
* Cancer sufferer (brain tumour) and wife clapping the NHS when treatments cancelled shortening his life.
* Couple never leaving their house for seven months (although they can be seen in their garden from time to time).
* Person with undiagnosed serious illness given pain killers and anti inflammatories via the telephone. Another enthusiastic pot banger for the NHS.
* Couple who walk around in circles constantly talking into their mobile phones.
* Social distancing not 2 meters but 4-5 meters (which explains why I can hear conversations when in my kitchen from people outside).
* Haven’t seen families for entire duration of pandemic—-don’t want them near. Families don’t want to come.
* Business owner who has had to permanently close his business but says ‘Boris is doing his best’.
* A complete and utter shut down of any kind of questioning of the lock down narrative.
* A complete adherence to masks.
* Complete rejection of any other view that doesn’t fit with…..’unless we do as we are told we are all doomed’.
* A house so bulging with toilet rolls that the roof has risen six inches and the building is in imminent danger of collapse.

Actually, I made that last one up….but I swear the previous examples are all true.

I know these people. I know that a common theme between them is the mainstream TV news and in many cases a fondness for the ‘Guardian’ newspaper. I long to tell them about the American journalist who asked a member of the Amish community why they had no cases of Covid and was told ‘because we don’t watch television’. But I fear it would fall on stony ground.

Something else I’ve thought about (but would never dare mention because my acquaintances are too straight laced—although statistically some of them must indulge anyway) is to suggest a change of viewing habits. Seeing as they are spending virtually their entire lives indoors and are consuming vast amounts of Covid porn—- they might just change tack ,if only occasionally, to the sexual sort. If nothing else it would get their minds off death, destruction and unadulterated fear and on to exploitation, titillation and iniquitous practices. The latter is never a recipe for a decent life and peace of mind but when compared to the destruction of the soul it seems to me to be the lesser of two evils.

200569 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Harry hopkins, 11, #290 of 1876 🔗

The figure for men does not surprise me. A survey of my younger self reveals that there is a 100% probability that it is indeed true.

200656 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Richard O, 4, #291 of 1876 🔗

Many women are also stubbornly immodest and lascivious, despite the new puritans and feminists conspiring to get them back into whalebone corsets (vegan whalebone, obviously)

200702 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Harry hopkins, 11, #292 of 1876 🔗

I’ll give Devi Does Davos a miss

200850 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to PoshPanic, 4, #293 of 1876 🔗

Not sure about “Hancock’s Half Hour Up The Stranger’s Gallery” either.

200925 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Harry hopkins, 7, #294 of 1876 🔗

I find this utterly unbelievable which either confirms me as truly naive or unashamedly and childishly innocent.

You’re not naive, Harry. Most people know most research stats are made up; look at SAGE’s modelling, for instance (as you said, Ferguson).

Research: get massive grant, fuck about doing nothing for ages, produce ridiculous statement about whatever you were asked to research.

200544 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 9, #295 of 1876 🔗

This from public health Wales:

https://public.tableau.com/profile/public.health.wales.health.protection#!/vizhome/RapidCOVID-19virology-Public/Headlinesummary

If it goes to the main page look at the GP Consultation tab.

The graphs as you scroll down are interesting specially the ramping up of these starting beginning Sept and a big rise Mid-Sept of:

exaceberated severe asthma
lower respiratory tract infections
upper respiratory tract infections
acute respiratory tract infeccions

All up at the same time.

About the right timing (6 or so weeks) for the effects of mask wearing to start kicking in?

200566 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Awkward Git, 8, #296 of 1876 🔗

I cant remember where I saw it, but watched a clip about a month ago of a respiratory nurse in the US saying they had noted increases of pleurisy due to lengthy mask wearing in otherwise healthy individuals.

200546 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 5, #297 of 1876 🔗

The triumph of China’s Covid spin offers a terrifying glimpse of the West’s future
Our singular failure to come up with an alternative to draconian lockdowns will have world-transforming consequences

SHERELLE JACOBS
DAILY TELEGRAPH COLUMNIST
22 October 2020 • 6:00am
Sherelle Jacobs
If the prospect of a winter lockdown is nourishing your inner nihilist, I recommend bingeing on the latest Chinese blockbusters. Watching the films that have led Chinese studios to eclipse Hollywood sales for the first time in history is like staring into the Western abyss. Take The Wandering Earth – a sci-fi trending on Netflix about a mission to move our planet to a new galaxy after a spike in Jupiter’s gravity. It is Star Wars scrubbed of its limitless human progress and frontier spirit. In the peculiarly cyclical story – about protecting and reviving humanity on Earth rather than exploring the universe – the European linear conception of time is obsolete. (Unsurprising? Mandarin has neither a past or future tense, nor China a creation myth.)

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/10/22/triumph-chinas-covid-spin-offers-terrifying-glimpse-wests-future/#comment

200574 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 6, #298 of 1876 🔗

Too many people spend far too much time worrying about China.

Travelling around China quite a bit in the last few years I am struck by how few children there are.

China is going the demographic way of South Korea.

The future belongs to those who have children.

200554 Moomin, replying to Moomin, 10, #299 of 1876 🔗

Someone please make it stop! Another down day today!

200592 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Moomin, 11, #300 of 1876 🔗

Sorry to read this Kevin. Hopefully this doesn’t sound trite – just trying to offer a bit of support as others have done but I think the best thing is to get out a bit and just try to do something that’s totally immersive for a few hours. If I recall correctly, did you say you are in Keighley? I used to live in Hebden Bridge – it’s a really lovely part of the country (or it used to be). Get out into the countryside and just try to leave all this behind, if only for a couple of hours.

200748 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to kh1485, 3, #301 of 1876 🔗

Yes, get away from the screen for some nature therapy, good fresh air!

200556 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 4, #302 of 1876 🔗

Even now the thundering herd of pro-Vaxxers line up to volunteer for their life-affirming trial Covid shots, life-ending though the side effects might be.

Greater love hath no man than this, that he lay down his life for his country.

200567 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Stuart, 4, #303 of 1876 🔗

Greater naivete hath no man than this, that he risk his life for the earnings per share ratio (taking into account: interest, taxes and depreciation) of the pharmaceutical industry.

200575 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Stuart, 10, #304 of 1876 🔗

Can we abandon the terminology of ‘pro-Vaxxer’ and ‘anti-Vaxxer’? In both cases it’s simplistic propaganda bullshit that – like all such terminology – just works to confuse the actual issues.

200579 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Stuart, 1, #305 of 1876 🔗

Life ending regardless of whether you get the placebo or Dr. Gates’ cocktail of delights.

200793 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Stuart, 1, #306 of 1876 🔗

But are they? I am the sole sceptic amongst a family of zealots. When the issue of a vaccine came up, every single one of my family said they wouldn’t take a vaccine when first released but would wait until it had been in use for a while.

To which I duly responded that it was very civic minded of them (not!) to allow other people to be the guinea pigs for their “safety”. Cue silence.

200559 JustMe, 11, #307 of 1876 🔗

There needs to be a shift away from swab tests and a move to carrying out many more blood tests. Not only are swab tests unreliable, they allow the government and the media to fake the number of ‘cases’, ramp up the fear-mongering and continue the supression of our freedom.
How long does it take to train a phelbotomist? 4 days? 5 days?
Blood tests tell us if we’ve had CV-19. If we’ve had it then we can get back to doing stuff – the old normal, if you will. Every day we’d have good news (if the media were forced to publish it) telling the nation(s) how many more people were above and beyond any need to ‘stay safe’. We could wear a lanyard or wristband (given free with each T-cell positive test result). Students would be encouraged to catch it and get over it (which, in itself, might help reduce the number of snowflakes).
Oh, for fuck’s sake, lets just get on with our lives.

200565 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 6, #308 of 1876 🔗

Has anyone seen this from NHS England:

Critical Care Bed Capacity and Urgent Operations Cancelled
Due to the coronavirus illness (COVID-19) and the need to release capacity across the NHS to support the response, we are pausing the collection and publication of these and some of our official statistics.

https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/critical-care-capacity/

This is precisely when some of us would love to see data on how Covid is affecting critical care bed capacity & cancelled ops. Do you think there is something they don’t want us to know?

200695 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to godowneasy, 4, #309 of 1876 🔗

Best case, gross negligence. Worst case, mass murder

201387 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to godowneasy, 1, #310 of 1876 🔗

And people still think the NHS is great….

200572 Censored Dog, replying to Censored Dog, 17, #311 of 1876 🔗

Scots told to prepare for ‘digital Christmas’ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-54643340

Who the hell does he think he is, trying to dictate family life like this? I can only hope that there is substantial resistance and that the public will give the middle finger to people like him.

200576 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Censored Dog, 13, #312 of 1876 🔗

He’s an arsehole.

200577 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to Censored Dog, 5, #313 of 1876 🔗

Hope this does not give the fat clown and his men from glaxo any ideas.

200606 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to nickbowes, 7, #314 of 1876 🔗

They are measuring Scottish public reception in order to prepate their method for telling the entire country Christmas will be a lonely sad day for millions.

The weeks to flatten the curve.

Fire break. Circuit break.

200578 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Censored Dog, 8, #315 of 1876 🔗

Amazing isn’t it?

Told to do this, told to do that.

By our nominal employees.

200582 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Censored Dog, 17, #316 of 1876 🔗

A fucking dentist telling me what to do. Fuck off

200861 ▶▶ Ruth Sharpe, replying to Censored Dog, 2, #317 of 1876 🔗

But the important celebration in Scotland is not Christmas, but Hogmanay. He didn’t dare mention the ‘H’ word!

200580 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 13, #318 of 1876 🔗

Why Were Democratic Citizens So Willing to Surrender Their Liberty?

Because of the nanny state. People are used to being told what to do for their own good. Politicians are used to telling people what to do for their own benefit. So everyone is very willing to simply play along.
It’s also the maternal instinct. A father would seek to toughen up their child, to expose, support, and push. A mother always seeks to protect, envelop, guard. This is why a child needs both parents. Our society is becoming more and more maternal. We lost our balance.

200584 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 8, #319 of 1876 🔗

This may be true in metropolitan areas, but there are still outposts of biological normality in the rural areas. Hence the sustained attack on rural communities and organic agriculture that has been going on for at least a century.

200587 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 8, #320 of 1876 🔗

Agreed!
““Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.”
G. Michael Hopf

I think the good times are at an end.

200590 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to calchas, 6, #321 of 1876 🔗

Weak men who meekly obey authority when told not to comfort their grieving mother.

200591 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to calchas, 2, #322 of 1876 🔗

Hard times create strong men…unless they get the Covid vaccine, in which case they will not even be human.

200596 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 5, #323 of 1876 🔗

No. That’s just an axe-grinding generalisation.

It’s actually much, much simpler : the inculcation of Fear – an explicit intention of the Goebbels Brigade (SPI-B).

The use of Fear with manipulation of associated emotions is classic psy-ops.

200617 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to RickH, 2, #324 of 1876 🔗

Rick, I agree, but I also think that this psyop has fallen on particularly fertile ground, as Cristi. Neagu suggests.

It is still possible to be a proponent of the welfare state, as I believe you are and there’s nothing wrong with that, and still acknowledge that it has made a large number of people less self-reliant and more dependent on the authorities.

I think there ae a lot of other factors at work also, soI wouldn’t want to emphasize this one too much.

200600 ▶▶ Mel, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 7, #325 of 1876 🔗

Agreed. I like women – I am one. We need more women in business, and more men in schools.

My son’s primary school, whilst very good, has only one male teacher, very young, looks like Daniel Radcliffe circa Goblet of fire. Has polka dot clothes days for Children in Need. Ever tried finding polka dot clothes for a boy? Good luck with that. Last year had a sparkle day! WTF!

I ended up taking him to Tae Kwondo lessons to put a decent male role model in front of him who he wasnt related to.

201583 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 1, #326 of 1876 🔗

Why are people surrendering their liberty? partly because we are all consumer subjects in this society not citizen subjects. ‘The good life’ has not equipped us for recognising or fighting tyranny ( that happens in other unfortunate countries doesn’t it?

200583 FenTyger, replying to FenTyger, 12, #327 of 1876 🔗

Years ago at the end of the lunchtime news on R4 I could hit the radio off switch faster than a striking cobra, just at the first bars of “The Archers” music. The same effect happens when I hear “I wash my”.

200599 ▶▶ Basics, replying to FenTyger, 3, #328 of 1876 🔗

I have leaped sofas and hurdled banisters in the same cause banishing any trace of The Archers from my world.

200753 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Basics, #329 of 1876 🔗

Do they have ‘The virus’ in Ambridge I wonder?

200810 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to David Grimbleby, 2, #330 of 1876 🔗

Last time I heard it, they were certainly suffering the ill effects of lockdown on their mental health: they were all talking to themselves!

200857 ▶▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to OKUK, 1, #331 of 1876 🔗

as are most of the BBC

201662 ▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to David Grimbleby, 1, #332 of 1876 🔗

initially they did but now they are broadcasting episodes recorded pre lockdown so there is a disclaimer before the broadcast to explain the apparent lack of social distancing, masks etc

200586 RickH, 3, #333 of 1876 🔗

Just a shout-out for those who may have missed it in ‘Round-Up’ – the InProportion dashboard. It’s a welcome assemblage of some key indicators to help get a grip on reality (as opposed to propaganda). :

http://inproportion2.talkigy.com/dashboard/

200588 Bugle, replying to Bugle, 9, #334 of 1876 🔗

Hmmm. Better pray for a Trump election victory.

200611 ▶▶ Censored Dog, replying to Bugle, 2, #335 of 1876 🔗

It doesn’t matter who wins. The UK will keep digging itself a bigger hole

200630 ▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to Censored Dog, 13, #336 of 1876 🔗

Disagree. If Trump wins and most of the US reopens, it will put pressure on other nations to do the same.

200650 ▶▶▶▶ Censored Dog, replying to Chicot, 1, #337 of 1876 🔗

They won’t. Democratic governors will keep doing what they want and will reopen when they are bored of their dictatorial powers.

200664 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Censored Dog, 3, #338 of 1876 🔗

The courts have been overruling them already.

200673 ▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Censored Dog, #339 of 1876 🔗

They are very reliant on federal unemployment support and stimulus though.

200689 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Bugle, 2, #340 of 1876 🔗

It’s interesting that the very people who had been shouting that we didn’t want US interests taking over the NHS, have effectively spent the last 7 months sanctioning just that? At least, that’s how I see it will end, whovever wins the election.

200589 Basics, replying to Basics, 11, #341 of 1876 🔗

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/scottish-news/6187826/coronavirus-scotland-leitch-digital-christmas/

Scottish Government’s national clinical director warns Scots to prepare for a “digital Christmas” with large family gatherings “a fiction”
He says, “people should get their digital Christmas ready”.

The fastest look into the background of this man shows he has strong involvement with the Christian Church. On the very day of lockdown he was communicating to the Scottish Christian community how ‘at Church’ is not, nor ever has been, about being at church. At Church is everywhere, so zoom the fuck up and for God’s sake lock the church doors. He was in the game from the very beginning. He has links to israel, to Havard and his Professor status gifted to him by Dundee Universoty. He is involved in evangelical work in India and is a CBE.

200607 ▶▶ Mel, replying to Basics, 12, #342 of 1876 🔗

What a total twat.

200621 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Mel, 4, #343 of 1876 🔗

A good point, well made.

200624 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Basics, 14, #344 of 1876 🔗

I say fuck off and stick your digital Christmas up your arse, and if you don’t do it I will

200593 WhyNow, replying to WhyNow, 36, #345 of 1876 🔗

It is hard to grasp the scale of the irrationality that has gripped our public guardians. I’m not just considering whether we think the disease is uniquely dangerous or not. I am thinking of the response, even if it is.

On what possible grounds could we spend £300 billion per year, twice the annual cost of the NHS, and largely shut the NHS at the same time, to prevent a problem that was already solved by building additional capacity?

On what possible grounds would we do this to extend, by perhaps a few months at most, the lives of people with dementia and Alzheimer’s, chronic heart and lung disease and all the usual causes of death?

How on earth did we enter a lockdown with a model that clearly showed there was no way out of it?

We have now been captured by public health guardians and behavioural specialist, who have no incentive to stop digging. The best thing we could do is to stop testing. Either people are being hospitalised because of a respiratory infection, or they are not. It doesn’t matter what caused it. There is no difference in treatment either way.

200854 ▶▶ Julian, replying to WhyNow, 4, #346 of 1876 🔗

The public guardians are being perfectly rational – saving their jobs and reputations

It’s the public who are being irrational which allows them to do this

The public fell for the fear porn

200594 Mel, replying to Mel, 24, #347 of 1876 🔗

I tried explaining the pointlessness of the measures to a lockdown lunatic friend the other day, explaining we are basically putting sops out to placate fools like him while whilst the virus is doing what it would be doing anyway. The example of a useful measure he gave me was school bubbles (he’s a head teacher).

I pointed out we have 2 kids, a son and a step daughter. they go to different schools and are in different bubbles. 60% of the kids in each of their bubbles have siblings – in another bubble. Stepdaughter goes back and forth between our household and her mother’s. Her mother has a daughter with her new partner – another school, another bubble. This daughter also goes to after school care, where she is in ANOTHER bubble – with kids from different schools all in different school bubbles.

Also in stepdaughter’s mothers household – a step brother from her mother’s new partner. He is in different bubble again, and goes back and forth between HIS mother’s household and theirs.His mother has 2 subsequent children, who go to different schools with different bubbles, and to after school care – another bubble.

So how are kids separated to stop infections crossing households, exactly.

His answer – the bubbles of course.

Some people are beyond help.

200613 ▶▶ WhyNow, replying to Mel, 14, #348 of 1876 🔗

The psychology is really interesting.

People do not usually behave in a way to reduce harm to others, unless it is in their own interests. I think the root of lockdown and mask wearing is people thinking deep down that they are protecting themselves.

It helps if they do not suffer any financial consequence.

200631 ▶▶▶ Mel, replying to WhyNow, 2, #349 of 1876 🔗

Carrot and stick.

He suffers no financial penalty or threat to livelihood from lockdown measures and pointless bubbling – but the local authorities have also pushed hard to put risk assessments down to schools and make head teachers liable.

He needs to believe the measures will “protect” the students – even though they wont and they dont need protecting anyway.

200654 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to WhyNow, 3, #350 of 1876 🔗

Exactly – plus perceived higher social status through demonstration of apparent altruism – eg mask.wearing.

201740 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to calchas, #351 of 1876 🔗

Mask wearing might induce a sense of higher social status but it’s a clear indication of lower intellectual capacity.

200674 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to WhyNow, 9, #352 of 1876 🔗

When they are wearing masks on empty streets or alone in cars, it is clear they think it is a gas mask that protects them.

200620 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Mel, 9, #353 of 1876 🔗

This prick should be confined to an asylum where he can blow bubbles out of his ass all day long to his heart’s content.

Instead, our sick, twisted society promotes such an inept individual to the role of head teacher. Literally the caretaker of our future.

200627 ▶▶▶ Mel, replying to Richard O, 5, #354 of 1876 🔗

I must admit, whilst he is a likeable individual on the whole, the thought of him in charge of a large primary school gave me pause, even before corona.

200622 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Mel, 6, #355 of 1876 🔗

It’s a cult, like the Branch Davidians, the Kool Aid drinkers etc, it is pointless trying to explain or reason with them

I get lunatics knocking on the door. These nut jobs tell me that if I’m not in their gang on judgement day I’m fucked. They really believe it

If we could dig up a Kool Aid drinker and spark them back to life, the first thing they would ask for is another sip

Don’t waste your time

200652 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Mel, 2, #356 of 1876 🔗

That’s a big bathtub full of bubbles.
Remember , bubbles burst and then there is just air.

200602 Lucan Grey, replying to Lucan Grey, 5, #357 of 1876 🔗

You’ll all be sadden to hear that the arch skeptic and wonderful magician James Randi has passed away.

From old age

200608 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Lucan Grey, 2, #358 of 1876 🔗

One of the greats, sad news.

200661 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to FlynnQuill, 1, #359 of 1876 🔗

One should not speak ill of the dead. So …

200805 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Lucan Grey, 1, #360 of 1876 🔗

Randi was like one of two flies in the same bowl of soup saying to the other: “A recipe? Well show me the recipe and I’ll give you a million dollars”.

But a great entertainer.

201031 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Lucan Grey, 1, #361 of 1876 🔗

RIP James.

200605 stewart, replying to stewart, 15, #362 of 1876 🔗

Sunak is explaining the money he is going to give away to stop people rioting.
Brilliant idea, just make the unsustainable mountain of debt even bigger.

The future is so, so, so dark.

200609 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to stewart, -3, #363 of 1876 🔗

It’s perfectly sustainable because it’s not debt, Gilts are somebody’s risk free savings.

Since when has saving been unsustainable or undesirable?

The debt argument is as much of a control myth as the effectiveness of face masks.

200638 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Lucan Grey, 2, #364 of 1876 🔗

Sure. The government giving away money to people in exchange for not producing anything is perfectly sustainable.

200715 ▶▶▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to stewart, -2, #365 of 1876 🔗

They are giving people money to buy things, so that production will continue – as an offset for those people who have decided not to spend all they earn and are thereby denying the very same people an income.

Stuff only gets made if there is somebody to buy it. Otherwise they close down – as we are seeing daily.

As I said, it is the savings that is the problem – which government has to offset if we’re not to get a collapse.

200747 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Lucan Grey, 2, #366 of 1876 🔗

But why in the current climate would you invest in a new pub or restaurant, a new minicab firm, a new art gallery, a film, a theatre production, a new block of city centre flats, a new range of beers? Even if people’s wages were fully subsidised they can’t or have no need to spend money in these parts of the economy in a locked down world.

200750 ▶▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Lucan Grey, #367 of 1876 🔗

Let’s see how long the UK government continues to sell debt at low interest rates.

If rates remain near zero, then you’re right, it can just all go on for ever.

But they won’t and it won’t.

200759 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to stewart, 1, #368 of 1876 🔗

Loans are never forever, so even with near zero interest rates, that puts a cap on how much you can borrow and remain solvent. As individuals we know it is impossible to borrow 100% of our annual income every year to finance everyday expenditure of x2 our income.

200761 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to OKUK, #369 of 1876 🔗

At zero interest rate you can borrow as much as you like for as long as you like. It literally has no cost.

200797 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to stewart, #370 of 1876 🔗

You have to pay back the principal. So while interest rates may be 0% now, in ten years’ time if they are 5% pa you have a problem when it comes to borrowing that amount again in order to pay back the principal. If you have been reckless and borrowed 200% of your GDP you will likely be unable to service the interest on your debt and will default on payments.

And as far as I know gilts still have interest on them.

200766 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Lucan Grey, #371 of 1876 🔗

Explain how that interacts with the balance of payments and the GBP exchange rate.

Declaration of interest – I am an accountant working in treasury. I (unfortunately) know a bit more about exchange rates than is healthy.

200772 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Ewan Duffy, #372 of 1876 🔗

Depends who buys the debt.

200961 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Ewan Duffy, #373 of 1876 🔗

Just putting this down as a marker, while I fetch some popcorn.

200774 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sylvie, replying to Lucan Grey, 1, #374 of 1876 🔗

I can sort of see this to the extent that provision of services like haircuts and transport remains within the sterling area so there’s an argument for ‘giving’ people here the money to keep the wheels turning.
But a lot of physical ‘stuff’ comes from Europe in euros, China in whatever funny money they use for external trade, and so on. And not all economies are going down the chute at the same rate, so there will be devaluations/revaluations one against another. And who are the lenders with the capital to oil the wheels for all that, and will they want to? And at what rates?

200647 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Lucan Grey, #375 of 1876 🔗

Not so!

The best way to think of it is not in monetary terms but in physical terms.

Taking on more debt = Consumption greater than production – of physical goods and services.

Consumption can only be greater than production by drawing down savings or by plundering a third party.

200711 ▶▶▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to calchas, -2, #376 of 1876 🔗

Again that is incorrect. There isn’t a fixed amount of stuff. Nor is there an excess of consumption over production. The problem is that production doesn’t happen unless there is some consumption. People without money can’t consume so production drops.

You have the problem backwards. The “debt” comes at the end of the process as people decide not to spend and to save – which then denies somebody downstream from that an income. Then you get a cascade collapse due to a lack of spending.

You’re missing the increase in net saving – which government is offsetting.

200734 ▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Lucan Grey, 1, #377 of 1876 🔗

You are forgetting about investment for which savings are necessary.

A lion must catch an antelope beore he can eat. Production must come before consumption, and in the moment in which production is realized consumption becomes possible. Money is merely the intermediary of all this.

In the aggregate an economy produces. Most of that production – food, furniture, cars etc is consumed, but some is invested – captll goods used to sustain consumtiion into the future. Without investment, at least in maintenance, the productive capacity of an economy must necessarily degrade and therefore consumtion will fall.

In the present situation the lockdowns etc have necessarily reduced the production of goods and services. Since the good citizens are loathe to consume less and since the government wishes to keep them onside, Sunak is attempting to subsidise living standards.

The bottom line is that UK consumption of goods and services has not fallen by as far as UK production of goods and services, because the public sector through debt has subsidised consumption.

200741 ▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Lucan Grey, #378 of 1876 🔗

Add.

“The “debt” comes at the end of the process as people decide not to spend and to save – which then denies somebody downstream from that an income”

That saving, channelled into investment, also creates income as it is spent on research and development, production of capital goods, maintenance of equipment etc.

All, assuming a market economy of course.

200756 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to calchas, 1, #379 of 1876 🔗

All, assuming a market economy of course.

Ah… the caveat. But when the government closes businesses by force and in their place gives away money, that’s not a market economy. That is central planning of the worst possible kind – one that doesn’t even pretend to lead to production.

200726 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Lucan Grey, #380 of 1876 🔗

If we were like Japan and were borrowing from our own citizens that would be one thing but we owe money to people outside the UK and that (borrowing more and more of oter peoples money)is not sustainable – that’s how countries go broke. It’s happened lots of times – then no one will lend you any money.

Personally I think if would be better for the Treasury to create the money at the push of a button. This would normally be a dangerous strategy but I think it could work.

200757 ▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to OKUK, 1, #381 of 1876 🔗

Worked a treat in Zimbabwe.

200778 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to stewart, #382 of 1876 🔗

A. Zimbabwe was deliberately destroying its most productive ecomomic sector and allowed non productive corruption to flourish.

B. Harare was not a world financial centre handling trillions of business.

C. There wasn’t a global pandemic.

As long as we released ourselves from the Lockdown tyranny and got the economy moving again, I think a limited button pushing exercise to pay off Covid related debt could be acceptable to the markets.

200809 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to OKUK, #383 of 1876 🔗

A. Zimbabwe was deliberately destroying its most productive ecomomic sector and allowed non productive corruption to flourish.

So like Britain today.

As long as we released ourselves from the Lockdown tyranny and got the economy moving again, I think a limited button pushing exercise to pay off Covid related debt could be acceptable to the markets.

Big if. Or to be more precise, will have to happen, but only when a system is in place for the government to implement health surveillance on all the population, and everyone has been duly vaccinated.

We are prisoners, being charged daily for our stay in prison and the terms of our release will include giving up a number of freedoms we all had before we were locked up. Until we accept these terms, our prison fees continues to accumulate.

200610 ▶▶ Censored Dog, replying to stewart, #384 of 1876 🔗

Gordon Brown all over again. But cheer up, nothing is as bleak as it seems.

200612 chaos, replying to chaos, 20, #385 of 1876 🔗

A thought I had:

Our elite really think the plebs live in Coronation Street Eastenders style pubs drinking flaggons of ale. Maids with cleavages and men in clogs dance to fiddles like in the Titanic or sing along to someone playing ‘we’ll meet again’ on the piano. Dangerous Guy Fawkes types in the corner.. with flaggons flowing, the whispers growing, dissenting views and ready ears.. protests and plots..

Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil.
Socially distanced with bars and clubs closed or under curfew.. mask rules.. we hear no dissent and facts, see no real facts and dissent, muffled in your mask. No piano. No flaggons. No discussions with Guy Fawkes. No gunpowder. The real reason pubs and such were closed or under curfews is because that is where plebs plot.

200658 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to chaos, 3, #386 of 1876 🔗

It’s why any constitution worth its name places big emphasis on free assembly.

200662 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to chaos, 4, #387 of 1876 🔗

Where did Johnson really go, the man who Hated Big Government, or was that a lie too.

200614 Don't say much, 5, #388 of 1876 🔗

Can I nominate an obscure Hawkwind instrumental for tune of the day. It’s called “World of Tiers” I’m not making any claims to its greatness, but its a danged appropriate title.

200615 leggy, replying to leggy, 7, #389 of 1876 🔗

Interesting email from Head Office today. They are located in a suburb of Hamburg. The local authorities have deemed it necessary to wear masks in the street. So colleagues are in strange situation where they don’t have to wear one in the office but they do when outside. Our other offices in Munich and Dortmund aren’t affected. Makes sense to me. Not.

200628 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to leggy, 12, #390 of 1876 🔗

I have visited Hamburg on several occasions. A city that prides itself on freedom of speech and all things anti-establishment (it was the only major German city in which Hitler never gave a speech) has been brought to its knees by the Covid Cult. Disgusting.

200675 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Richard O, 1, #391 of 1876 🔗

Sadly St. Pauli must have gone from being anti-establishment to pro Biden and Black Lives Matter – both very much anti freedom and part of the deep state / big tech / big pharma movement to enslave the world.

200669 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to leggy, 3, #392 of 1876 🔗

The wearing of masks in the street is I believe only certain ones in the town center during busy times.
The crazy thing is that my parents have to wear a face covering whilst shopping on the outdoor market. As well you are not allowed to pick your fruit and veg, hand it to the trader to be weighed.
Sadly, the towns people seem to be very sleepy, and the large Hamburg antifa is very active disturbing Querdenken demos. The antifa of course love that they are now legally allowed, even mandated, to cover their faces.
Hamburg is still one of the few countries where hotels must refuse people from high infection areas to stay unless they have a negative test 72h before arrival.
Which in itself is stupid, as in theory people could get infected in the 72 hours and then spread any virus.
Oh, such fun.

200676 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Silke David, #393 of 1876 🔗

Here’s verbatim David.

Aufgrund der Landesverordnung vom 20.10.2020 gelten ab sofort Einschränkungen in der City Ahrensburg.

Das heißt, beim Verlassen des Gebäudes besteht Maskenpflicht!

Unter folgendem Link könnt Ihr Euch informieren:

https://ahrensburg-portal.de/ahrensburg-und-corona-einschraenkungen-in-der-city-bis-02-11-2020/

Die Ahrensburger Polizei ist bereits heute Morgen aktiv und weist auf die Maskenpflicht in Ahrensburg hin.

Die Maßnahme ist zunächst bis zum 02.11.2020 befristet. Die Allgemeinverfügung lässt ausdrücklich offen, ob die Frist verkürzt oder verlängert wird.

We can probably guess what will happen come beginning of November!

200619 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 7, #394 of 1876 🔗

Reposting from yesterday’s edition late as interesting of the futility in zero covid and passenger screening airports

“If someone in NZ really did get infected after just 3 mins contact then looks like we’re going to need to be isolating all casual contacts as well as close, or redefining what we mean by close.”

Life is getting more complicated for the Kiwis and the zero policy.All protocols define close contact 15 min,which is of course an arbitrary time.3 min makes highly likely an aerosol transmission. There will be an awful lot of persons to be isolated in their corona camps if they implement the above ie casual contacts. NZ also reported that they had information that the airport screening pre departure from Moscow(the fishing crew flown into NZ) was completely adequate and that screening does not pick up incubating diseases. 11 now infected of the crew.A devastating blow to airport screening.

And independent SAGE,Blair,Hague,Hunt want a zero policy!

200677 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to swedenborg, #395 of 1876 🔗

I can’t help shake the feeling, that the NZ stats are too good to be true

200625 Jonny S., 5, #396 of 1876 🔗

Don’t know if this has been linked to before, but useful if you want to know how full the NHS hospitals actually are with covid patients.
It looks like, with the exeption of Liverpool Leeds and Doncaster most hospitals with covid patients are seeing a decrease in numbers this week. Of course the majority of hospitals have no covid patients whatsoever.

https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-hospital-activity/

200635 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 32, #397 of 1876 🔗

Check out this cool new set of Emojis for the Masked Generation – courtesy of theblogmire.com


200639 ▶▶ Basics, replying to godowneasy, 7, #398 of 1876 🔗

Brilliant. Off now to share with a certain demograph. Thank you.

200648 ▶▶ CGL, replying to godowneasy, 7, #399 of 1876 🔗

I don’t like seeing the evil things but that is actually quite funny.

200701 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to godowneasy, 9, #400 of 1876 🔗

Very funny but horribly serious when you think a two year old child will have been surrounded by people in masks for a quarter of their life. The idea this won’t have serious negative effects on child development is fantasy. Think of that every time one if these arrogant smug epidemiologists like Edmunds, Ferguson, Michie of whoever comes on our screen.

200710 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to OKUK, 6, #401 of 1876 🔗

I think it is a great way of getting at the serious nature of what masks rob us of. Some people simply do not listen read or have attention span to think. The image is a rapid communication of the expressionless reality of masks. Suitable for certain friends.

200856 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Basics, 2, #402 of 1876 🔗

Indeed. It’s under the radar stuff.

200721 ▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to OKUK, 4, #403 of 1876 🔗

I completely agree with you though I didn’t find it remotely funny – just deeply sad for the reasons you describe.

200847 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to OKUK, 7, #404 of 1876 🔗

i mentioned this weeks ago, but relevant again. couple of weeks ago in supermarket – everyone masked including lady in front at checkout. me unmasked as always. she had toddler (around18months) in trolley, who was fascinated to see a face. we had a pleasurable couple of minutes smiling and interacting.

201234 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to mjr, 4, #405 of 1876 🔗

Same here – not keen on my own kids let alone someone else but being free-faced I’ve noticed that kids will look at you and react positively when they see you.

I give my “ugh, kids grimace” which now they take as a smile when before they would probably scream and run away.

Might start going round with a pocketful of lollipop to hand out to the little plague ridden rugrats like I did to the roughnecks and roustabouts at work as an attaboy reward.

200636 Basics, 2, #406 of 1876 🔗

Apologies if posted.

School meals during half term is off. Parliament voted against. One Tory resigned immediately after the result.

200642 alw, replying to alw, 17, #407 of 1876 🔗

Dining out in London last night. Clearly many people at tables, not from one household or bubble. Quite rightly restaurants ignoring. 👏 👏 👏 Gather many are emailing customers asking if they would like to book business lunch/dinner. Also noticed outside restaurant Alastair Campbell with 5 others, all clearly not from same household. Clearly the law only applies to plebs or was he having a business meeting?

200842 ▶▶ Julian, replying to alw, 2, #408 of 1876 🔗

Everything is business for Campbell (but no, rules don’t apply to the annointed)

200643 CGL, replying to CGL, 3, #409 of 1876 🔗

Money Saving Expert!!!!
Now I have every respect for Martin Lewis, but I have never seen anything more patronising than that particular suggestion on the readers email from their MP.

My God – these people need stringing up. We need people governing who have some sort of grasp of reality!

200660 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to CGL, 2, #410 of 1876 🔗

You can make a packet of pasta and a few tins of tomatoes feed a family of four for up to a week you know.

200837 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Two-Six, 2, #411 of 1876 🔗

a few tins??? luxury!!!

200671 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to CGL, 3, #412 of 1876 🔗

He’s only interested in saving granny so that he can sell her

200731 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #413 of 1876 🔗

Where as we want to murder her

200644 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 9, #414 of 1876 🔗

Anyone want to become an MP?

https://nationalcareers.service.gov.uk/job-profiles/mp

£82k starting salary.

Why don’t we all start a political party which actually stands up for the people?
& we could kick Matt Wankcock in the plums (like physically).

Or is this just a pipe dream?

Also, on a different note, I just want to say a massive thank you to everyone who commented on my post yesterday & offered good advice (every one of you all), you all managed to make me see thing’s in perspective. I appreciate it.

I am currently starting to sort my things out,

Keep up the fight people.

200651 ▶▶ stewart, replying to AnotherSceptic, 1, #415 of 1876 🔗

If we all lived in the same constituency, perhaps.

200653 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to stewart, 3, #416 of 1876 🔗

Can we not all just lie about where we stay?
The government clearly do as we all know, so why not us?

200666 ▶▶ Censored Dog, replying to AnotherSceptic, 4, #417 of 1876 🔗

The SDP looks good.

200645 Will, 1, #418 of 1876 🔗

The link to the Manchester Evening News doesn’t work in the first article try this: https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/secrecy-spin-surrounding-greater-manchesters-19131905

200655 maggie may, 14, #419 of 1876 🔗

On a cheerful note, just visited our little local town here in the Forest of Dean. Went into the Pet Shop, proprietor wearing mask ‘because i have to’ but happy to chat to me maskless for several minutes.

Then went to florists to pick up some flowers, 2 girls behind what looked like a home-made polythene screen, neither with masks. No comment about my lack of mask and we also had a nice chat about flowers and happy things.

A few people in the street with masks but the majority not. Mind you i have never had a comment when i go into Tesco maskless so maybe we’re a good non-conformist population here. the Forest has always been a bit of dissenting area!

200657 chaos, replying to chaos, 8, #420 of 1876 🔗

Quick simple maths that even PPE graduates can do.

https://www.nao.org.uk/covid-19/cost-tracker/

How much spent so far on the cold, sorry covid. £280,000,000,000

How many deaths of (or with covid or false positives) = 44,000 rounded up.

280B/44k = £6.4M per life. More than 6 million for each life, most of which were on their last legs.

200709 ▶▶ leggy, replying to chaos, 1, #421 of 1876 🔗

Yeah, but by their logic, you have to divide the amount spent by the number of people saved – so 68 million give or take. So just over four grand each. Bargain!

200973 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to leggy, 3, #422 of 1876 🔗

Not with a survival rate of more than 99%!

201366 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to chaos, 1, #423 of 1876 🔗

No, but they’ve saved everyone who has not died 😀

200713 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to chaos, 2, #424 of 1876 🔗

You then have to add in all the sundry costs to lives and livelihoods and general cost to society. Then factor in that it is costing some people far more than others.

200839 ▶▶ Julian, replying to chaos, 2, #425 of 1876 🔗

When birdbrains try to tell you it’s life vs. the economy, ask them how many cancer or heart disease or suicide deaths could have been saved with that money, which is more than twice the annual NHS England budget

200663 Winston Smith, 2, #426 of 1876 🔗

Nero’s soldiers attacking the sea?

They look like Assyrians……..

200667 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 8, #427 of 1876 🔗

Someone somewhere is having a lot of fun overcomplicating stuff.

200670 ▶▶ assoc, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #428 of 1876 🔗

But presumably only when there is an ‘r’ in the month and not in leap years

200681 ▶▶ FenTyger, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #429 of 1876 🔗

Did Sir Humphrey write that?

200799 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #430 of 1876 🔗

Alex Belfied YouTube is saying test and trace contractors are using non-medical trained staff to administer tests.

200834 ▶▶ mjr, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #431 of 1876 🔗

actually, it is quite clear and explains exactly how the count is made …
And given the fact that everything else they tell us is unclear, ambiguous and meaningless, i wish more of the procedure was explained in this way.

200863 ▶▶ Emily Tock, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #432 of 1876 🔗

I totally said that aloud a la John Cleese…

200964 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #433 of 1876 🔗

Thanks, really helps. 😉

201802 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #434 of 1876 🔗

Summary: They are double counting positive tests.

200668 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 9, #435 of 1876 🔗

A general point: the mainstream media here and in the USA .just lie all the time. A week or two ago they were gleefully reporting that Biden had mammoth poll leads of 13, 14 and 16 points (the latter was a CNN poll of course) and indicating those polls reflected the reality of the race. There was no critical analysis of these polls from our legion of overpaid stateside reporters.

Those leads were never remotely credible. They were the product of absurd statiatical assumptions deliberately chosen to favour Biden. The polls were being used as political weapons. If true, they would have meant senile incoherent Bunker-dwelling Biden was more popular than Bill Clinton or FDR at the height of their popularity!!

Now, as I predicted, the polls are narrowing as they have to as we get closer to the reality of polling day. All are now givkng Biden leads in single figures and they include 2 and 3 point leads. Hillary Clinton lost the electoral college on a 2 point popular vote win.

So, however the result turns out it is going to be a lot closer than the propaganda polls predicted.

Also note how the MSM and social media giants have been censoring the revelations about Biden’s corruption.

There is a strong parallel here with the way absurd predictions of Covid deaths, bogus claims about ICU being overwhelmed and censorship of incovenient facts are used to control the Covid conversation in the media.

200672 ▶▶ Censored Dog, replying to OKUK, 7, #436 of 1876 🔗

Trump had it in the bag before the smear campaign against him for his reasonable covid response. People are now seeing through the smears about him now and I think people will be in for a nasty shock in November.

200683 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Censored Dog, 7, #437 of 1876 🔗

Indeed, I expect Trump to defy the polls again.

200692 ▶▶▶▶ Crazy Times, replying to DRW, 5, #438 of 1876 🔗

Trump is realistically a long way ahead. People with common sense are even suggesting he could possibly win California. Biden doesn’t have any supporter base, other than the people who will just vote democrat regardless of candidate or policy. The polls are very wrong because Trump supporters either don’t participate in them or they lie to the pollsters. If you want a good gauge of just how far ahead Trump is, watch a democrat leaning news channel like MSNBC in the US and see how miserable and grumpy all the presenters look at the moment. Trump is packing enthusiastic crowds night after night. Biden isn’t even anywhere to be found and when he is, it’s to rooms of 20 or so people who are probably all staffers.

200877 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Crazy Times, #439 of 1876 🔗

Not sure he’s a long way ahead but he’s not a long way behind!

200708 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to DRW, 5, #440 of 1876 🔗

If he does, then after due celebrations I will doff my cap to LS commenter AidanR, who had the confidence to put money on Trump to win – again.

200794 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to DRW, 1, #441 of 1876 🔗

I quite agree, pollsters are so far up their own arses they really believe they influence normal people with their lies and then get all surprised and hurt when we don’t.

200686 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Censored Dog, 4, #442 of 1876 🔗

Yes Covid has been politicised as a weapon against Trump. Our useless biased reporters blame Trump entirely for all shortcomings whereas in reality he has quite limited powers on how individual states respond to a public health issue and is dependent on Congress for much of the funding required to deal with the crisis .

201432 ▶▶▶▶ TT, replying to OKUK, #443 of 1876 🔗

Unfortunately Trump has also been politicised as a weapon against Covid dissent… basic common sense and objectivity is now automatically construed as support for a political agenda. Worst of all, hardly anyone seems to object.

200738 ▶▶ 2 pence, replying to OKUK, 3, #444 of 1876 🔗

What a joke

Joe Biden reads from a teleprompter at a near empty Detroit parking lot

https://ussanews.com/News1/2020/10/17/watch-joe-biden-reads-from-a-teleprompter-at-a-near-empty-detroit-parking-lot/

200679 Basics, replying to Basics, 11, #445 of 1876 🔗

Sturgeon pulpit. I have not seen this for weeks. I notice now she has developed a manner of looking into the camera, this is very unpleasant.

It creates a strangge situation of having the hacks disembodied voiced questions placed inside the viewers head, while sturgeon and the morbidly obese health/nurse chief talk at them. Repellant.

She must be so fucking bored of her voice and her ever wafting kermit arms.

200699 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Basics, 6, #446 of 1876 🔗

Psychopath and all other relevant names

200700 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Basics, 4, #447 of 1876 🔗

Sturgeon wore purple to announce five tier system. The same shade as woke gobbledegook starmer tge kneeler above. Nothing more to add. Just noted.

200791 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Basics, 4, #448 of 1876 🔗

Tier 5 everyone stay in bed 24-7
Tier 6 crack the cyanide capsules

201805 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Basics, #449 of 1876 🔗

Common Purpose!

200838 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Basics, 5, #450 of 1876 🔗

Tiers from the Gates of Hell

200680 leggy, replying to leggy, 43, #451 of 1876 🔗

Genuine typo or Freudian slip?

200690 ▶▶ Mel, replying to leggy, 36, #452 of 1876 🔗

Maybe on purpose. A cafe bar near us has blackboards outside with specials on, and some jokes. Yesterday’s offering? (we’d just gone tier 3)

Next week’s rules

You can come in with a family member if you both have an a or an r in your name and sit back to back.
You can have alcohol if you are over 75 and have a note from your mum OR your gran.
You can’t kiss your family or your pets, but you can kiss the postie or the man from Amazon (but only on fridays).

We will be open.

200732 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Mel, 6, #453 of 1876 🔗

It gave me a welcome laugh either way!

200786 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Mel, 1, #454 of 1876 🔗

I would certainly go there if it was local

200819 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to karenovirus, 2, #455 of 1876 🔗

it is local … just not to you !!!!

sounds like a local cafe for local people……

200820 ▶▶▶▶ Mel, replying to karenovirus, 9, #456 of 1876 🔗

They have had the realisation that as long as everyone has a menu in front of them, they are clearly “just about to order a substantial meal” 😀

Last time I was in there I shunned the QR code, they brought me pencil and paper, didnt come back for it, I didnt fill it in, used it as a coaster for my wine glass, and I’m pretty sure it got filed under b for bin.

Most of the staff sport a mask exemption lanyard, are smiling, pleasant, and not very interested in what your household arrangements are.

It’s where I go with my laptop and a coffee whenever 7 months of working from my kitchen threatens to drive me off a cliff of boredom.

200822 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mel, replying to Mel, 2, #457 of 1876 🔗

They do enforce rule of 6 – by accident cos none of their tables are that big

200855 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to Mel, 4, #458 of 1876 🔗

I love this so much, it gives me hope that we will win.

200995 ▶▶▶▶ Mel, replying to karenovirus, 4, #459 of 1876 🔗

God bless them, they’ve just posted on social media

Permission to go out for a drink. Our substantial meal deal. 1 menu item + 6 drinks.

201728 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Mel, 3, #460 of 1876 🔗

They are great!

200865 ▶▶ Emily Tock, replying to leggy, 4, #461 of 1876 🔗

I feel like there’s an ‘idle hands’ joke in there somewhere…

200685 calchas, 19, #462 of 1876 🔗

Open letter from the World Doctors Alliance to the citizens of the world:

Extract:

“So-called asymptomatic cases have never in the history of respiratory disease been the driver for spread of infection. Rather it is symptomatic people who spread respiratory infections – not asymptomatic people.(2)
It is also abundantly clear that the ‘pandemic’ is basically over and has been since June 2020. (3)
We have very highly likely reached herd immunity and therefore have no need for a vaccine.
We have safe and very effective treatments and preventative treatments for covid, we therefore call for an immediate end to all lockdown measures, social distancing, mask wearing, testing of healthy individuals, track and trace, immunity passports, the vaccination program and so on.

https://truthcomestolight.com/2020/10/18/world-doctors-alliance-open-letter-to-the-uk-government-governments-of-the-world-and-the-citizens-of-the-world/

200688 Censored Dog, 18, #463 of 1876 🔗

Notice how there has been wall-to-wall coverage of the MP who quit over free school meals but no coverage of the MP who quit over the government’s lockdown strategy?

200691 calchas, 2, #464 of 1876 🔗
200693 chaos, 10, #465 of 1876 🔗

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/tom-bower-pulls-his-punches-with-his-life-of-boris-johnson

Thus Boris… is a loner, who is secretive… He has no close male friends and can only confide his deepest feelings to his wives or girlfriends. For 25 years his rock and anchor was his wife Marina, but he could never be faithful. When she found out about his affair with Petronella Wyatt she threatened to leave him and he promised he would never see Petronella again — but of course he did, and other mistresses.

And lying to his wife made it easy to lie to other people)…

200694 Basics, replying to Basics, 3, #466 of 1876 🔗

Car Insurer is offering refund for low milage. Direct line offer a 2% refund against insured miles bought and miles driven.

200697 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Basics, 4, #467 of 1876 🔗

Admiral deposited some money into my bank account for no reason at all a few months ago, my car usage didn’t change much during ‘phase 1’ of the lockdown, and I didn’t ask for a refund!

200704 Dan Clarke, 10, #468 of 1876 🔗

You can’t catch an Agenda. That’s what this is, not a virus

200705 wat tyler, replying to wat tyler, 1, #469 of 1876 🔗

In case anyone not seen it .Ivor Cummins way on triggernometry last night .Check it out on youtube at the triggernometry site .It’s really good .

201482 ▶▶ CGL, replying to wat tyler, 1, #470 of 1876 🔗

It was really good – although I was a bit concerned about his despair at not knowing what more he can do to make them listen.

200707 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 1, #471 of 1876 🔗

https://twitter.com/Covid19Crusher/status/1319196144572956672
 “The seasonality of SARS-COV-2 is quite something. Like the apparent absence of benefit of social distancing. Italy

201723 ▶▶ annie, replying to swedenborg, #472 of 1876 🔗

Apparent?

201903 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to annie, #473 of 1876 🔗

What he is saying is that this virus is now seasonal and connected with the weather depending on latitude in a way similar with Hope Simpson description of flu epidemics/pandemics.In April everybody hoped that this new virus would disappear like SARS virus before. If that had happened even the lockdown promoters would have said how successful their approach was. Unfortunately, the virus survived everywhere and it is now seasonal. Look at the European situation. All countries start tyhe seasonal wave at the same time in almost all countries whether being in LD,half LD or no lock down. No SD,masks, nothing can be done against this virus. Our whole approach is falling like a house of cards. If we had followed all guidelines from 2019 we should stop all mass testing, quarantaine, SD,masks and just increase hospital capacity, stay home if sick and pay full sick leave and just go back to normal lif e

200712 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 10, #474 of 1876 🔗

https://twitter.com/henrik_ullum/status/1319157496720785410
From one of the co-authors of Danish mask study
“As one of the co-authors I can inform you that we are very unhappy about the delay of our study. We never anticipated this delay. The peer review process is important to secure correct scientific conclusions for this sensitive research question.”

200722 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to swedenborg, 5, #475 of 1876 🔗

Pal review is a Groupthink shocker.

This obsession with peer review, which has clearly been co-opted as a belief management system in so many fields, is very disturbing. It hasn’t worked as it was originally intended for years, and is obsolete in the Internet era.

The gold standard is now replication, not it’s been read by my mates.

200716 Danny, replying to Danny, 24, #476 of 1876 🔗

Scottish scientific advisors call a family xmas this year “a fiction” and to get ready for a “digital celebration”.
Quite apart from the casual way that is delivered, this as usual displays all the bedside manner and awareness of mental health issues as Lord Voldemort.
When are they gonna appreciate the emotional damage this is all doing to close families?

200730 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Danny, 4, #477 of 1876 🔗

Well said.

200737 ▶▶ Mrs issedoff, replying to Danny, 4, #478 of 1876 🔗

They don’t care what damage they are doing. I am starting to believe that they are actually automatons, as it is hard to believe that people could be this callous. Well, the last part of my sentence isn’t strictly true I suppose as man has committed atrocities against man since time began. These lockdowns however will be shown to be inhumane and deadly, it is just a matter of how much damage will be inflicted before they end.

200749 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Danny, 4, #479 of 1876 🔗

Psychopath’s in government are not unusual

200781 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Danny, 1, #480 of 1876 🔗

Pretty sure by Xmas the whole thing will be ignored, their stupid laws brought into disrepute, the Police not getting involved and the Covid marshals gone AWOL.

201719 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 1, #481 of 1876 🔗

It will happen if enough people get angry enough. We have enough anger here already to blow Scotland apart.

200808 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Danny, #482 of 1876 🔗

“Scottish scientific advisors call a family xmas this year “a fiction””

fiction -> Christmas

Novel -> Coronavirus

200717 Mark, replying to Mark, 5, #483 of 1876 🔗

Mask hypocrite scumbags around the world

2. America’s Gary Lineker, Chris Cuomo

Tucker Carlson: The curious case of Chris Cuomo, mask hypocrite

201105 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Mark, 1, #484 of 1876 🔗

Cuomo told the world that he had the coronavirus and that he was self-isolating. He was seen out and was challenged. He threatened to beat up the old man who had challenged him. He subsequently came out of his pretend self-isolation on television.

201328 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #485 of 1876 🔗

Funny how these lefty media celebs get to keep their jobs no matter how low they sink, whereas actual intellectual achievers like Starkey get sacked from everything they’ve actually earned and deserved over their lifetime, for a minor triviality of political incorrectness.

200718 nocheesegromit, replying to nocheesegromit, 60, #486 of 1876 🔗

Hi all.

One of my housemates attempted suicide last night. They are OK now but it was incredibly distressing to witness. I am sure it is not the only problem but they said the last few months and lockdown had been extremely difficult.

I was not following the rules anyway, but I am now not even bothering to care. Boris and co have completely ruined my generation and should be given the harshest punishments possible. I really hope they’re happy about this.

200725 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to nocheesegromit, 20, #487 of 1876 🔗

So sorry to hear this, NCG. I had the same experience 20+ years ago and it still pops into my head often. I am so glad your housemate did not succeed in their attempt but I know how viscerally shocking something like this is for everyone around the person. Sending you all my empathy. I share your righteous anger and disgust with what is being done to our generation of young adults and I will never forgive or forget it

200739 ▶▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #488 of 1876 🔗

Thank you.

201048 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to nocheesegromit, 13, #489 of 1876 🔗

I’m an oldie and I’m going to catch fire soon! The suffering inflicted on young people like you is despicable and I would never,ever,ask for, or demand, anything which would deprive a younger person of a fair chance.

I do sincerely hope that your buddy will recover and that he or she will be given appropriate treatment and attention.

Many years ago, in the depths of despair and anguish, I tried it and received no support ; instead I went back to work the following day and hid the wounds for many years.

Young people are our future and they’re being cruelly and unjustifiably misused, misled and criminally mistreated.

I’m ashamed

200752 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to nocheesegromit, 10, #490 of 1876 🔗

Hope your buddy get’s through this. The anger everywhere is now at fever pitch.

200773 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to nocheesegromit, 25, #491 of 1876 🔗

I’m in my 60s with co-morbidities so supposedly vulnerable but I never wished any of this crap for you or your generation.

Fortunately you will have a long time to punish those bringing this upon you. Never forget. If you are not familiar with the Nuremberg Trials look them up; “I was only following the science” is not a good enough excuse.

200803 ▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to karenovirus, 18, #492 of 1876 🔗

Yes, this is one of the things keeping me optimistic. I’m young with my whole life ahead of me – that’s a lot of time to see these evil bastards brought to justice.

201717 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Poppy, 3, #493 of 1876 🔗

I’m getting old, but I am confident that I too will see justice done while I’m still agile enough to dance on the bastards’ graves.

200798 ▶▶ mjr, replying to nocheesegromit, 1, #494 of 1876 🔗

that is worrying .. i know it can be difficult for those first years in prison halls but i thought those now in shared houses were in a better place. But it happens. My elder daughter had a similar thing with a friend at uni a few years ago… students do have problems and lockdown wont help

200801 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to nocheesegromit, 16, #495 of 1876 🔗

So sorry to hear this but very glad they’re OK. Have they got any parents/family who could possibly come and pick them up? Not that restrictions matter anyway especially in this dreadful case but if the family are worried about being snitched on/fined, picking up the student would be legal as it would be to avoid risk of injury or harm.

It really is awful. I keep hearing more and more anecdotal reports of suicide but because they’re anecdotal, they’re just not reported in the news as a numerical figure like the Covid ‘deaths’ are.

The people running us truly are the sickest and most twisted fucks to think that the total destruction of the young generation is an acceptable price to pay for stopping what is now a seasonal endemic disease with a 99.9% survival rate that almost exclusively picks off the elderly and weak.

200804 ▶▶ Andy C, replying to nocheesegromit, 5, #496 of 1876 🔗

I’m glad to see that they’re okay now. Our day will come, I’m sure of it.

201715 ▶▶ annie, replying to nocheesegromit, 1, #497 of 1876 🔗

Nemesis is a patient goddess, but she is inexorable. The guilty will be punished.
All sympathy to you and your housemate.

200719 Mel, replying to Mel, 79, #498 of 1876 🔗

Anger. Anger has kicked in again.

Next door neighbour went in hospital for another operation following recurring attacks from thyroid cancer. This time it is inoperable, main tumour is attached to the trachea.

Her daughter lives across the street. We are tier 3. They are

1) not allowed in each other’s houses
2) not even allowed to meet in a garden
3) cant have a meal together
4) can meet in a park but better not hug.

Oh and you can live out what may be remaining of your life under this idiot induced shitstorm. No holidays, no social life, no fun. No visits from friends, only person allowed to comfort you is your husband.

And according to the Home Secretary, I’M the one who is supposed to police this shit.

Fuck you and the horse you rode in on.

I’m back in needing new swear words territory.

200764 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Mel, 13, #499 of 1876 🔗

Try the Italian ‘basta’: means everything from ‘enough already!’ to ‘shut the f*ck up & f*ck off’

200789 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Mel, 6, #500 of 1876 🔗

Can’t do any of that in the minuscule off chance they might have Covid and might in the even more minuscule possibility have symptoms and even less likely event that they happen to pass it on. What a shit show. Sorry to read that sorry. Best wishes to them

200843 ▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Mel, 4, #501 of 1876 🔗

It’s disgusting. Could his daughter not either say she’s his cleaner or visit him as a vulnerable person needing care?

201347 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 6, #502 of 1876 🔗

Would that the daughter tell those that ask to mind their own fucking business and dare the Covid Stasi to take her to court.

201908 ▶▶▶▶ Digital Nomad, replying to Rowan, 3, #503 of 1876 🔗

It’s very simple. She needs to go in to the house with a ‘black lives matter’ t-shirt on at all times.

200876 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Mel, 9, #504 of 1876 🔗

The only thing I can suggest is the obvious one – just do what comes naturally and makes sense and f. the ‘rules’.

But I appreciate that this does require a willingness and ability to dispense with the programmed shackles that have been imposed by the propaganda storm.

200998 ▶▶▶ Mel, replying to RickH, 3, #505 of 1876 🔗

Oh, I’m pretty sure they wont comply, and I certainly wont be reporting anybody. But some people adhere to this shit – and they know this when they make these fucking stupid rules.

201274 ▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Mel, 7, #506 of 1876 🔗

Conversation on some snowflake board I occasionally troll on, about walking the dog whilst in self isolation. A few thought it would be OK to take the mutt for a short comfort walk in t(e middle of the night when no-one was around. The resident nurse comes on and says “what if you fell and broke your ankle, or had a heart attack, someone would have to come to your aid and risk catching Covid”. But one could fall down the steps at home, or have a heart attack at home and lie dying on the kitchen floor, surely? Well according to the nurse (nurse!), that would be preferable to falling ill outside because you couldn’t pass on Covid. I gave up.

201682 ▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to Mel, 6, #507 of 1876 🔗

We’re past the point of winning the argument – that will come. There must be justice and, ugly word as it is, there must be revenge.

The people who supported lockdowns – in government and the public – must be told and told again about the harm they did. They must be pilloried and shamed. When it is over and the truth is out, they need to be made to pay.

201708 ▶▶ annie, replying to Mel, 3, #508 of 1876 🔗

The horse?

” I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him.”

Revelation 6:8:

200720 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 4, #509 of 1876 🔗

The company we keep.

Evening Standard reports a man in Spiderman costume climbing scaffolding near Parliament with a large banner.

Top of his concerns is Tier 3 Lockdown
alongside BLM XR and LGBGQ&etc.

Well we are a big tent st LS.

200727 ▶▶ Mark, replying to karenovirus, 3, #510 of 1876 🔗

I don’t know. That banner clearly says “all lives matter”, and all the Good People tell us that’s the sure sign of a White Supremacist Racist Bigot.

I mean, yes he wrote “black +” before it, but isn’t that just trying to cover up? Clearly he’s a Crypto- White Supremacist Racist Bigot.

200736 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to karenovirus, #511 of 1876 🔗

Hope Spider-man falls off

200723 Chris N, 3, #512 of 1876 🔗

@Toby – has anyone thought about starting a petition on the Gov website to force the NHS (a public sector organisation funded by the taxpayer) to release data in the interest of public transparency/accountability? (I’m no longer a UK resident managed to get out during lockdown and sadly watch my homeland crumble in the hands of inept doomsdayers and unelected scientific advisors)

200724 Basics, replying to Basics, 7, #513 of 1876 🔗

I hope this 30 secclip does some good:

Patrick Henningsen @21WIRE

Chairman Dan @DanielAndrewsMP
is in trouble now. The totalitarian firewall in Melbourne has been breached, Australia’s COVID NewNormal Lockdown regime in jeopardy after Victoria Police announced protesting is a human right

https://twitter.com/21WIRE/status/1319228119514042368?s=20

200735 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Basics, 2, #514 of 1876 🔗

I get “something went wrong , try again”. This isn’t the first time that a link to twitter has done this -has the tweet been censored?

200743 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to arfurmo, 1, #515 of 1876 🔗

Me too, keep getting that

200745 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to arfurmo, #516 of 1876 🔗

Still there!

200755 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to arfurmo, 3, #517 of 1876 🔗

I am getting that a lot now accessing Simon Dolan and Patrick Henningsen. There are long winded work arounds via other tweets posted on other accounts.

I believe it is a form of intended censorship. This is not a login in to twitter matter. Simply viewing tweets is being prevented.

200758 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to arfurmo, 2, #518 of 1876 🔗

Reload the page, rather than hitting try again

200770 ▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to arfurmo, 1, #519 of 1876 🔗

Works for me…wonderful news. Sick of seeing Andrews smug face

200782 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to T. Prince, #520 of 1876 🔗

Good glad to hear.

201213 ▶▶▶ DomW, replying to arfurmo, 1, #521 of 1876 🔗

Happens for pretty much every Twitter link I click on but refreshing the page fixes it for me

200729 Paul, replying to Paul, 43, #522 of 1876 🔗

Another day in the glorious National Socialist Federation of Britain.
The Ministry of truth informs me that our exalted leader,surrounded by his team of provincial governors and intelligent,truthful and caring professors and scientists,is still working 26 hours a day,9 days a week to save us from the deadly foreign invader virus.
I have heard that specially chosen citizens from my town are to be taken,by train,to a new better life working on farms in the ‘east’.They have been told not to take anything with them as they will be provided with everything they need on arrival,their homes and possessions will be carefully looked after by the state.What’s even better is the new vaccine they will be given at the end of the journey,it will stop them from getting ill,from anything,forever.
I must go,the transport to my 18 hour shift in the Uranium mine will soon be here,I don’t want to be late again and lose my milk and salt ration.If I work really hard for the next 10 years I might be promoted to work in the underground rocket factory.

200754 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Paul, 8, #523 of 1876 🔗

Make sure to write a good book about it and get expelled to America on your release.

200917 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Paul, 6, #524 of 1876 🔗

Eurasia has always been at war with Covidia.

201050 ▶▶ VickyA, replying to Paul, 7, #525 of 1876 🔗

Reminds me of Philip K Dick’s novel the Penultimate Truth.

“The story is set in a future where the bulk of humanity is kept in large underground shelters. The people are told that World War III is being fought above them, when in reality the war ended years ago.”

200740 Cheshirecatslave, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 16, #526 of 1876 🔗

Had a good weekend. At church we sang “Happy Birthday” to a member who was 80 the next day and stayed behind for individually wrapped cakes. (We are still banned from singing hymns, but I do quietly).

I “celebrated” the new restrictions by inviting a friend round. We had a nice walk. The neighbours spotted us but no problems. People behaved normally while we were out and my friend stopped to talk to various folk with dogs. No sign of any masks in the great outdoors.

My new cleaning lady hasn’t fled unlike the previous one. She says she puts a mask on just to come in in case anyone spots her. She told me someone she knows is ill in hospital through mask wearing.

200742 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 1, #527 of 1876 🔗

Is singing banned??

200746 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #528 of 1876 🔗

I believe all public singing is banned

200762 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to karenovirus, 1, #529 of 1876 🔗

They are SO frightened of this song …

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOHV6-E9eeA

200767 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to karenovirus, 1, #530 of 1876 🔗

I feel like standing outside Broadcasting House and singing Land of Hope and Glory

200792 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to PoshPanic, 5, #531 of 1876 🔗

To misquote the rugby song “Why were they born so beautiful,why were they born at all, they’re no f××king use to anyone, they’re no f××king use at all”
would be more appropriate.

200840 ▶▶▶▶ muzzle, replying to karenovirus, 1, #532 of 1876 🔗

I went to a holiday camp at the weekend and they had live music, which I was surprised about. Some of the acts had not played publicly since before lockdown.

201700 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, #533 of 1876 🔗

Correct.
I still sing.

200777 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #534 of 1876 🔗

It’s not as simple as that. One singer in the north ok, two singers bad. 6 singers in the south okay. Those details refer to indoor ‘laws’ from about three weeks ago.

As previously added to comments, one funeral I know of the congregation chanted hymns. They were told off afterwards by the funeral wokers. Chanting is not singing.

200806 ▶▶▶ Ruth Sharpe, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #535 of 1876 🔗

It is advised not to sing, but as far as I am aware, it is not (yet) against the law. If like-minded groups of people wanted to get together to sing, they could and they should!

200835 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Dan Clarke, #536 of 1876 🔗

We are allowed to have a couple of people at the front singing the hymns with masks on, the congregation is supposed to just listen or read the words.

200869 ▶▶▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to Cheshirecatslave, #537 of 1876 🔗

That is in response to the guidance.
The law is as Ruth has said.
My church is singing albeit quietly and at fewer points in the service.

200874 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 5, #538 of 1876 🔗

I’m glad you had a good weekend. I no longer attend church, as my main pleasure was singing in the choir for choral Evensong, which is now banned; I also refuse to attend any public gathering where masks are mandated. Church nowadays must look like a Quaker meeting held in an operating theatre.

201701 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Cranmer, #539 of 1876 🔗

Rather, it looks like a deleted rush from The Mummy .

200760 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 4, #540 of 1876 🔗

And so the nursing home disaster begins again in Ireland:

Majority of residents and most staff at Galway nursing home have Covid
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1022/1173211-nursing-home-coronavirus/
“….. One resident at the home has died. Two others are being admitted to hospital today after their conditions deteriorated.
By 10pm on Tuesday night, when the results for all tests came back, 25 out of 27 residents were found to be Covid-19 positive.
The virus has also severely impacted on staff at the facility, with in the region of ten care staff and seven nurses infected.
All have gone into isolation to reduce the further spread of the virus. As a result, the nursing home is operating with a massively reduced number of staff today. At present, just one nurse and one health care worker are on duty, along with some ancillary staff at the premises.”

Emergency support has ben requested and is awaited..

200769 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to godowneasy, 7, #541 of 1876 🔗

The evidence that this was and is, an enormous elderly care problem, is overwhelming.

200864 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to godowneasy, #542 of 1876 🔗

But how many have the flu? Or pneumonia? Are they testing for that when people come in with Covid-19? That wasn’t done in the UK.

200918 ▶▶ paulito, replying to godowneasy, 1, #543 of 1876 🔗

Eight months to get care homes sorted out and this is what they’ve achieved. No doubt any deaths caused by their inhuman indifference will be used to justify the completely unnecessary shut down of the country and to scare the sheep. Worked a treat the first time. They are vermin.

201138 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to godowneasy, #544 of 1876 🔗

When you get those kind of results you really need to be screening for infectious individuals. Cycle thresholds need to be set lower. These people need cared for andd isolating so many just creates an unsustainable situation

201299 ▶▶ leggy, replying to godowneasy, #545 of 1876 🔗

Everybody in a nursing home should be a prophylactic course of HCQ.

200771 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 6, #546 of 1876 🔗

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/martin-bashir-coronavirus-bbc-journalist-covid-princess-diana-b1219812.html

Expect the BBC to go into extreme fear porn peddling mode now one of their own is seriously ill with “coronavirus complications”

200779 ▶▶ mjr, replying to AnotherSceptic, 3, #547 of 1876 🔗

would it be in bad taste to snigger quietly?

200783 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to mjr, 3, #548 of 1876 🔗

No…but you need to wear a mask when doing so..& you must be doing a hand stand also. (Government rules..)

200851 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to AnotherSceptic, 4, #549 of 1876 🔗

I’d like to think that even the BBC couldn’t be so tasteless as to exploit this story but we all know that isn’t true. I do note that he has lived with a brain tumour for 10 years that causes occasional health issues so that may be related.

200959 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Achilles, 2, #550 of 1876 🔗

we have seen how GMB have exploited that Garraway woman and her husband. BBC will have been jealous that they did not have a similar “special feature”
“How is John Humphreys looking today” “unfortunately very healthy”

200955 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to AnotherSceptic, #551 of 1876 🔗

Sad for the guy. But the independent never published anything about my work colleague who was 52 and died with Covid. They never said fuck all about that. I guess that’s because security officer does not count ? Or that a celebrity’s demise means the narrative continues

200775 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 9, #552 of 1876 🔗

Calling Laurence Fox ! – there is most definitely a need for a “third way” in British politics..

200832 ▶▶ Julian, replying to nickbowes, #553 of 1876 🔗

I think he needs to dig into his £5M war chest and launch a campaign for truth to counter the propaganda

200776 Quernus, replying to Quernus, 2, #554 of 1876 🔗

A new free newspaper (truthpaper!) has just launched – well worth supporting. You can download their first issue for free, or subscribe to receive their paper for £5 a month.

http://thelightpaper.co.uk/index.htm#

200866 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Quernus, 1, #555 of 1876 🔗

I can see the paper version of that catching on with the oldies, if they see it in their local newsagent, but sadly I suspect the mainstream papers will try to ban it in some way.

200784 calchas, replying to calchas, 3, #556 of 1876 🔗

Masks:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/lP0oW4HYGufR/

The nonsensei s put to bed.

200813 ▶▶ Henry, replying to calchas, 3, #557 of 1876 🔗

Video first published July 15th 2020 online (and studies there in many years prior). Seems the nonsense is not quite put to bed come October 22nd 2020. I’m sure the Danish RCT study will not put it to bed either.

200841 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Henry, 1, #558 of 1876 🔗

As a matter of science ‘put to bed’ 🙂

Getting the message out there is of course sonething else.

200785 stewart, replying to stewart, 15, #559 of 1876 🔗

Long discussion on Talk Radio about children’s school meals.
It turns out children in this country are in danger of going hungry.
Maybe we should join the poor nations of the world in asking for international aid.
Perhaps we could launch an awareness campaign showing young British children with bloated tummies, playing despondently in the dirt. It might pull some heartstrings and motivate donations. Perhaps from people in China, who want to chip in to save the starving British children.

200824 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to stewart, 5, #560 of 1876 🔗

Or else lift all the restrictions. It is those that threaten to tip us into 3rd world status

200830 ▶▶ Julian, replying to stewart, 4, #561 of 1876 🔗

We need international aid – send us a Swedish PM and set of public health officials and advisors who are acutally interested in, er, the health of the public…

200881 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to stewart, 3, #562 of 1876 🔗

I started out quite negative about the government feeding children, that poverty is usually associated with single parenthood, etc, i.e. agreeing with the host.
But then that woman with two young children came on, and she said that the government has taken people’s jobs away, it’s preventing them from working. She has a point. The level of poverty and destitution in this country is going to be at Dickensian levels.

200903 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Lms23, 1, #563 of 1876 🔗

Probably worse than Dickensian. Much much much bigger population now.

How many thousands of old people die each winter as it is from fuel poverty ?

200988 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Lms23, 1, #564 of 1876 🔗

Well it looks like Scotlands Health Advisor is making a bid to be the ghost of Christmas future so you might be right.

200787 calchas, replying to calchas, 10, #565 of 1876 🔗

“The widespread use of cloth masks by healthcare workers may actually put them at increased risk of respiratory illness and viral infections and their global use should be discouraged, according to a UNSW study.
The results of the first randomized clinical trial (RCT) to study the efficacy of cloth masks were published in the journal BMJ Open .”

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/04/150422121724.htm

200896 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to calchas, 4, #566 of 1876 🔗

But but but….masks = good. Face coverings = good. Boris = good. The world is flat.

200790 mjr, replying to mjr, #567 of 1876 🔗

off topic question .. is it possible to PM someone here via the site?

200796 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to mjr, #568 of 1876 🔗

Via the forum if both registered.

200814 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Sarigan, #569 of 1876 🔗

cheers – hadnt noticed the icon

200795 janeinthemindfield, replying to janeinthemindfield, 21, #570 of 1876 🔗

Had a chat with good friends/neighbours just now and informed them of the facts regarding no excess death this year, IFR on WHO page for UK as 0.27% comparable to seasonal flu and average age of death being 82 a year older than average age of all cause death.

They did listen to me and I asked them if they thought the measures are seriously disproportionate, crashing the economy, locking up students and elderly etc.

They said that they thought the govt has a very difficult job between a rock and a hard place and whatever they do, they will be criticised.

They said that they thought things would go back to normal when there was a vaccine.

I said I was worried about an untested vaccine, especially if it was mandated.

They said that there has been no history in this country of mandated vaccines and that it is contrary to the freedom that is traditional in this country.

They seem very sanguine about things going back to normal pretty soon, within the next year or so.

I said there may not be much of an economy left by then, there are 9 million on furlough now etc.

They said, well, something needed to be done about all the environmental destruction and that air travel, tourism etc needed to be massively reduced anyway. They said that really it should have been done in a more gradual and supportive way so people could retrain and get other jobs, but there it is, we needed to go in this direction anyway.

I said there are great risks from trying to conflate the covid measures with environmental measures, both, very complex problems, unintended consequences of trying to use one set of policy measures to address such disparate concerns.

I expressed my fears about mandated vaccines and social credit systems like in China being implemented here.

They said we are not that type of society and that will never happen. I said what about QR codes and masks etc.

They said they are minor inconveniences and nobody is interested in reading their very boring internet history.

They reassured me that of course things will go back to the way they were and that I am just a bit paranoid and should concentrate on my own life.

200802 ▶▶ stewart, replying to janeinthemindfield, 23, #571 of 1876 🔗

Yep. And I try time and again to point out that it isn’t the government that is driving all this, it’s actually the brain-dead, complacent idiots you’ve described that are the real danger to us all.

As far as I’m concerned those people are the enemy. Truly. They have no interest in listening to any other point of view, of actually engaging their minds with the problem at hand. They are flaccid, useless, dead weight.

201113 ▶▶▶ janeinthemindfield, replying to stewart, #572 of 1876 🔗

But these are the very people that we need to convince.

If we understand how they are thinking, maybe we can work out a way to persuade them of the dangers of the situation we find ourselves in.

That is why I posted this, in case anyone had any ideas about how I can go about shifting their paradigm.

They are educated, working in finance and ecology. Comfortable middle class. If we can persuade them, and others like them, we would have powerful allies.

Probably would have cracked the problem.

200825 ▶▶ Julian, replying to janeinthemindfield, 6, #573 of 1876 🔗

Ask them to write to their MP and get an assurance that the vaccine won’t be mandatory.

I wrote to mine, and she refused to give me any such assurance.

200829 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Julian, 1, #574 of 1876 🔗

I hope they are forced to be vaccinated and suffer the worst possible side effects. It is what they deserve.

201235 ▶▶▶ MrPudgy, replying to Julian, 1, #575 of 1876 🔗

As did I

200833 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to janeinthemindfield, 6, #576 of 1876 🔗

Interesting. Their support for lockdown is based on their belief that it will achieve other things they would like to achieve, unrelated to covid. In other words, they actually endorse the basis of some of the ‘conspiracy theories’.

I haven’t come across anyone like this in person yet, thankfully. I think people seriously frightened of covid are actually preferable to people like this, at least genuine coronaphobes are honest in what they are trying to achieve, albeit misguided.

200836 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to janeinthemindfield, 7, #577 of 1876 🔗

These views are very common. They are used by people who have struggled to reconcile the covid horror show with what they “kind of” believe in. They have struggled to justify the insanity and these talking points are the best thing they can come up with. It’s lazy thinking. The easiest route to cognitive equilibrium.

Two of my “OLD” mates are like this. Incredible hearing them come out with this kind of crap. I never thought they were that “stupid”.

201449 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Two-Six, 1, #578 of 1876 🔗

I think my old mates are just that now. You lot are more my mates than any of them. Turns put i never had anything in common with them after all those years.

201454 ▶▶▶▶ chaos, replying to CGL, 1, #579 of 1876 🔗

Don’t be too rash.. give them time. The way I look at it is, if I had cut everyone (family neighbours etc) out of my life who was a covid scam believer, I would have been even more isolated.. some of them are cominbg round.

201026 ▶▶ VickyA, replying to janeinthemindfield, 4, #580 of 1876 🔗

This is cognitive dissonance. People find it hard to believe what they know and hold true is all wrong. When I first started to realise about the seedy underbelly of our “elite” I found it hard to believe too. But after a while when you see evidence and corroborate that what you hoped wasn’t true is true, you come round.
Mr A thinks I’m off track, he doesn’t get it yet either so I keep my own counsel. I see my place as someone who keeps the truth who will be there to comfort and explain to people I know what the real position is when they can’t deny it any more. Patience.
For some you just can’t make them see it, it has to hit them square in the face. It’s defence because they don’t want to believe it, it’s too uncomfortable to contemplate.

201713 ▶▶▶ janeinthemindfield, replying to VickyA, 3, #581 of 1876 🔗

Yes, I agree that its probably the first time they have had to face up to a reality that is too awful to contemplate.

Unhappily I have had 17 years trapped by the destructive web of protocols and legal frameworks that constrain and infiltrate every aspect of the lives of people and their families who ‘lack capacity’. I have a severely disabled child who I love and try to protect from the cruelty that the heartless, mindless ‘guidance’ and ‘protocols’ inflict.

I have no illusions that any of it is benign, and suspect that the malignant outcomes suffered by so many disabled people proceeds from a psychopathic disregard for them by society, coupled with a drive to financialise where possible. It has been so dark that I can hardly bear to think about it and it has inflicted psychological damage on me as well.

I have understood that if ‘the system’ were to be allowed to take its course, it would be over the destruction of the body of my child. It has been insanely excruciatingly difficult to protect her, and has trapped me in a relentless war of attrition against the system that has no prospect of ending while she ‘lacks capacity’. i.e. the rest of my life. I have seen children ruined by it into a living death. The horror of it took a long time to come to terms with.

Gosh, I am not sure how relevant any of this is to this lockdown sceptics website except that there does feel like there is a resonance between my personal experience and the collective experience we are all going through now. The methods are very similar. This feels familiar… I feel like understand the nature of the beast we are up against. He is an old enemy of mine.

They came for us first…?

I suppose this experience has now made me more able to believe that they are capable of anything. Its shocking, but not surprising.

Obviously the situation has been compounded by the lockdown. The terrible isolation of the last 17 years has been intensified. The overwhelming workload and forced labour has been doubled. However, in some ways the misery of this is dwarfed by the fear of what is coming. I had given up on life for myself, but had great hopes of a happy future for my other child.

One of the biggest problems we face in trying to be organised against this insanity is the paralysis engendered by the shock. We have to get over the shock fast and get on with fighting for our lives before its too late and we are completely trapped.

200807 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 11, #582 of 1876 🔗

One particular sinister aspect of this coup is the silencing of dissent by Silicon Valley tech companies. The censorship has now moved beyond the usual suspects YouTube, Facebook and Twitter to payment processors such as Paypal and bulk mailing applications such as MailChimp.

Tech startups which once supported free speech and freedom now seem to be at the forefront of the techno fascism taking hold worldwide. These people have really sold their souls to the devil.

Some alternative media providers have had their livings destroyed over a few months for upsetting the ministry of truth. https://www.bitchute.com/video/IqpNqcXEjidX/

200826 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Darryl, #583 of 1876 🔗

They see regulation coming their way

200852 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to PoshPanic, 9, #584 of 1876 🔗

Another reason why Trump is hated, because he is forcing social media platforms to decide whether they are publishing companies (and thus liable to the laws of libel, defamation etc) or merely ‘platforms’ (and thus prevented constitutionally from deplatforming people whose opinions they do not like).

200870 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Darryl, 5, #585 of 1876 🔗

This, unfortunately, isn’t new. It’s been growing since 2016 when the various big tech leaders swore to prevent Trump being elected again.
There have been several Senate hearings about big tech censorship but nothing concrete has been done to prevent it.
Merkel got the ball really rolling when she asked Zuckerberg to stop “misinformation” over the migrant crisis. Lots of other governments, including ours, then joined in. We’ve been headed towards a China-style censorship ever since. Now it’s overt and blatant. Let’s see if the Republican-majority Senate do anything more than a bit of scolding.

It’s also highlighted that the covid “crisis” is now political, not medical.

200929 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Lms23, 1, #586 of 1876 🔗

We all really should try to use and support the alternative platforms such as Bitchute, Brand New Tube and LBRY etc. Unfortunately, none are available as apps on TV’s making them harder to watch (I can see why Google etc paid to be on them now, all about creating a monopoly).

Governments consider any information embarrassing to them as ‘misinformation’ so we should be very worried. I hate to think what is going uncovered by the controlled media at the moment – they are willing to turn a blind eye to anything if it supports their agenda.

201362 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Darryl, 1, #587 of 1876 🔗

MailChimp has been on this trajectory for years. Some people lost all their newsletter subscriber details just because M’s need to censor the information – it was natural health, information on how to keep yourself healthy by using vitamin D etc

200812 PoshPanic, #588 of 1876 🔗

Barrack Obama, one of the great modern public speakers, is now stealing kids toys..

https://twitter.com/hashtag/ButThePolls?src=hashtag_click

200815 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 6, #589 of 1876 🔗

Particularly bad this morning in Ludlow; Lockdown lackeys very much in the majority.
I take extreme pleasure when a “sheep” swerves away from me, I walk even closer, good fun.
PS: have fellow sceptics noticed that more and more ordinary shops have the NHS T&T app notice now?

200817 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #590 of 1876 🔗

Ludlow town council never did reply to my e-mail, not surprise there then.

200821 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Awkward Git, #591 of 1876 🔗

I was born in Shropshire but lived most of my life in the black country where “on the whole” people are far more friendly.

200880 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #592 of 1876 🔗

My husband has done a counter-swerve – does make him feel better – and a little bit naughty!

200980 ▶▶▶ Stephanos, replying to CGL, 1, #593 of 1876 🔗

Yes, I have done that a few times as well.

201697 ▶▶ annie, replying to Fingerache Philip., #594 of 1876 🔗

Isn’t Ludlow full of posh restaurants?
All dead and gone now?

200818 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 12, #595 of 1876 🔗

Scottish hospitality going for the legal challenge too. Bring it on…

https://twitter.com/BenPhilip_/status/1319255265796116482

200848 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to PoshPanic, 4, #596 of 1876 🔗

Excellent news. Combined with yesterday’s US court ruling of lockdowns as unconstitutional, it feels like we’re finally making some progress.

‘Lay hold on life, and it shall be/Thy joy and crown eternally’.

201127 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Cranmer, 1, #597 of 1876 🔗

Link to that ruling?

200827 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 6, #598 of 1876 🔗

*Sorry if this has been posted before:

Hysteria-Driven Non-Epidemics Have Near-Horizontal Trajectory.

Ivor Cummins—brilliant as usual— nails it entirely:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRu6Mgb49Uk

201126 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #599 of 1876 🔗

Glaring when he puts it like that

200831 Ruth Sharpe, replying to Ruth Sharpe, 20, #600 of 1876 🔗

Apparently MacFishface has announced this lunchtime that Scotland will be in lockdown indefinitely and Scottish people should prepare for a digital Christmas. To any other sceptics in Scotland, how much does it take to rile the Scottish people into some sort of action against this dictatorship?

200844 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Ruth Sharpe, 5, #601 of 1876 🔗

It’s a shared nonsense : we have a daughter in Scotland, and we are in this totally barmy Yorkshire lock-up.

… and I don’t know an answer to your question of what it takes to jolt people out of their quiescent acceptance into a realization that they are being taken for a ride.

200920 ▶▶▶ Ruth Sharpe, replying to RickH, 1, #602 of 1876 🔗

Our daughter is in Yorkshire – managed to see her briefly over the summer.

As for the rest – I know there are more sceptics now, where I live, which is encouraging.

I’m actually wondering, if it is a bit like the referendum, ie the silent majority, but because of the nastiness of the SNP, people just kept their heads down.

Unfortunately, this time, I don’t see how we can not avoid making a fuss if anything is to change.

201120 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Ruth Sharpe, #603 of 1876 🔗

Here’s a good way to vox pop people’s thoughts. Dating sites.

Sign up. Mention lockups covids whatever. Won’t get you an unneeded and impossible anyway date but it will tell you all you need to know. People are not believing a word of their lies any longer. There remains legacy confusions about what is the best thing to do. Part of the ‘thawing’ process I should say.

200849 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Ruth Sharpe, 5, #604 of 1876 🔗

Well, at least Scotland are paying for it. Oops! Forgot!

200872 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Ruth Sharpe, 5, #605 of 1876 🔗

We are living in an SNPolice state, with no escape route in sight.

She’s still hypnotising the masses, unfortunately, although many restaurateurs are now up in arms, as their businesses collapse.

200878 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Ruth Sharpe, 11, #606 of 1876 🔗

People. You get what you vote for.

A digital Christmas. How middle class does this woman think her country is ?

What a wanker.

201001 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Leemc23, 4, #607 of 1876 🔗

So how long till Boris follows suit?

Meanwhile here in Sweden they are lifting the limit on gatherings at seated events to 300 from Nov. 1st – in spite of case numbers going up…

201043 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Carrie, 4, #608 of 1876 🔗

My guess is Boris will, with great magnanimity, announce that on Christmas Day, Corona regulations will be lifted to allow groups of up to perhaps 12 to meet indoors. By then we will probably all be under Tier 3 repression, and the average person will be humbly grateful to Boris for ‘saving Christmas’.

201206 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Cranmer, #609 of 1876 🔗

My family want me to book a flight to visit at Christmas – but I fear it could be wasted money…

200916 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Ruth Sharpe, 3, #610 of 1876 🔗

I see wee Krankpot has allowed Santa to be classed as an essential worker

200960 ▶▶ First Minister of Bubbledom, replying to Ruth Sharpe, 10, #611 of 1876 🔗

I live in Scotland with family in England. My dad is late 70s and Christmas is his favourite time of year. How things have ‘crept’ so far is terrifying. If they’d announced ‘Christmas is cancelled’ in March there would have been rioting. Truly worrying times.
I fail to see how they can police it though? Unless they intend to bring in the army to drag illegal family members away from the dinner table in front of the children..?? I wouldn’t put it past them.

201695 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to First Minister of Bubbledom, 1, #612 of 1876 🔗

If you’ve read The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe you will remember the scene where the Witch comes across a party enjoying a Christmas feast, and turns the lot of them to stone with one swipe of her wand.

200845 DRW, replying to DRW, 10, #613 of 1876 🔗

Just found out today that one of my university modules actually requires me to attend my hellhole campus at least once for a group presentation. So my soul will not only be crushed a entire flock of muzzled sheep but also have to work with some. Fucking hell, I want to see as LITTLE of this world as possible thank you, but no, won’t it be hilarous trying to make me engage with it. Thanks for depressing me even further guys.

200909 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to DRW, 2, #614 of 1876 🔗

Try and make it a positive. It will be an opportunity for you to sway a few over from the dark side.

201112 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to DRW, 2, #615 of 1876 🔗

Update us on here as the day goes on. You’ll find only encouraging people and words to spur you on

200846 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 6, #616 of 1876 🔗

just been in my local Sainsburys, strepsils, lemsip and even nurofen on discount. No reductions on Vitamin D

200860 ▶▶ calchas, replying to crimsonpirate, 4, #617 of 1876 🔗

Will they make Vitamin D precription-only?

Nothing would surprise me – literally nothing.

200888 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to calchas, 1, #618 of 1876 🔗

It’s gonna be a controlled substance, 17 years for intent to supply.

200924 ▶▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Two-Six, #619 of 1876 🔗

I believe they have restricted access to supplements in some countries due to Codex Alimentarius.

200991 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to chaos, #620 of 1876 🔗

That has been going on to some extent for years..

200994 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Two-Six, #621 of 1876 🔗

I think it may depend on the extent to which they manage to force vaccines on people…

200914 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to calchas, 2, #622 of 1876 🔗

It is available on prescription, in a maxium dose of 400IU I think due to over-exaggerated concerns regarding overdose. I’ve gone as high as 50,000IU per day for weeks with no ill-effect. You make maybe 20,000IU in an hour on a sunny day with exposed skin. In Iran when they imposed full coverings for women MS incidents rose amongst the women. Google ‘Iran women 1960’s’ to see how free Iranian women were before the revolution. D3 is best consumed with K2. I learned recently that you can get a suntan behind glass but not make vitamin D3. UVA passes through glass.. UVB (needed for D3) does not….

201009 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to calchas, 1, #623 of 1876 🔗

Great question.

Vitamin D2 is on prescription. It is synthetic and not very well absorbed by the body. Vitamin D3 (well absorbed) able to buy in shops.

Please Don’t buy supplements from supermarkets, they are full of unnecessary fillers and very low dose. You might think it is cheap compared to other brands but when you calculate per dose (RDA), it is actually very expensive. Look for a good online health shop or your local health shop.

Example: the RDA (Recommended Daily Allowance) for vitamin C is around 40mg per day, that is just enough to prevent scurvy (this dose also recommended by NHS). For good health supplement at least 1,000mg of vitamin C per day.

Many people eat processed foods that are devoid of nutrients and as such you might need to supplement higher doses. Many prescribed drugs are also known to rob the body of nutrients.

  • Vitamin C is depleted by Acid Blockers, Antacids, antibiotics, Anti-inflammatory Drugs, Blood pressure drugs, corticosteroids, HRT/oral contraceptives, etc
  • Statins deplete CoQ10 required for good heart function
  • Diuretics deplete B Vitamins , CoQ10 , Magnesium , Zinc

See Book for lots more information: Drug Muggers by Suzy Cohen

200889 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #624 of 1876 🔗

Best stuff is in Holland and Barrett and they have quite a few sales on at short notice – buy one, get one half price or even buy one, get one for penny.

Their Vit C 1000 mg and rosehips big 500 tablet jars is good.

Delivery has been really good from their website as well.

200901 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #625 of 1876 🔗

I buy my sups online. My preferred brands are bulk powders, phoenix nutrition, redwells, peak supps, pure source and Lindens.

200910 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to chaos, 1, #626 of 1876 🔗

Bulk powder Vit C powder is greta for making a quick isotonic drink.

My protein got some good stuff on as well.

200993 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Awkward Git, #627 of 1876 🔗

The H&B timed release vitamin C is good!

201208 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Awkward Git, #628 of 1876 🔗

Thanks for the advice-Boots selection was pretty poor

200853 2 pence, 3, #629 of 1876 🔗

The Delingpod October 22, 2020
Dr Mike Yeadon

https://delingpole.podbean.com/

200858 wendyk, 1, #630 of 1876 🔗

https://thecritic.co.uk/a-timely-warning-from-history/

Another timely offering from The Critis

200862 barno, replying to barno, #631 of 1876 🔗

Hi,
Please could Dr Mike Yeadon respond to this rebuttal to his Covid Marie Celestes article.
Doesn’t do credibility any favours true.
https://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/news/18808008.coronavirus-conspiracy-claims-nevill-hall-untrue/?fbclid=IwAR3ZiBA1vT94LxzEyt8M3hEFMgPhpic1YJ1qTuEn5JdL76mzdXXX2UKWmLM

Thanks

200897 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to barno, 1, #632 of 1876 🔗

They used the word “utilised” a bit too often

200867 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 5, #633 of 1876 🔗

Whilst i`m no fan of Donald Trump – i struggle to understand how Biden and Harris can possibly be in the running to win the US Election when literally there are only a handful of people (staffers ?!) turn up and attend their “meet n greets”.. It looks like a Spinal Tap in-store record signing session !

200882 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to nickbowes, 2, #634 of 1876 🔗

It’s being fixed and stolen – only explanation.

200989 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Awkward Git, #635 of 1876 🔗

Will be interesting to see how tonight’s ‘debate’ goes – especially in the light of today’s NY post with more corroborating evidence regarding the laptop.. Also Ghislaine Maxwell documents being released..

201020 ▶▶▶▶ JoeBlogg, replying to Carrie, 1, #636 of 1876 🔗

Hopefully Andrew will be on FBI’s most wanted.

200892 ▶▶ chaos, replying to nickbowes, 4, #637 of 1876 🔗

Manipulated polls herd opinion and voting habits. Thus if they say Biden to win, some Trump voters might not vote thinking it is fruitless. If they say remain will win, brexiteers are encouraged to stay at home or even vote remain. Also some responders tend to give what they think are the most acceptable answers when polled e.g. shy tories.

200945 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to nickbowes, #638 of 1876 🔗

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-09-20-timeline-of-events-sep-20-to-jan-20.html

US – Likely TIMELINE of events to take place from Sep. 20 to Jan. 21, covering vaccines, SCOTUS, Election Day, markets, terrorism and insurrection

200982 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to nickbowes, #639 of 1876 🔗

https://twitter.com/cjtruth/status/1315379710831009792

See here where no one turned up at a Biden/Harris rally..

201017 ▶▶ JoeBlogg, replying to nickbowes, #640 of 1876 🔗

Trump will win landslide election and build back the soon tanked US & world economy. People will believe the world is a better place as restrictions will ease.
Government control will gain and freedoms will continue to be lost. Same shit different day.

201027 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to JoeBlogg, 1, #641 of 1876 🔗

Hope so – he would seem to be the only one standing between us and China’s total world domination… with all that that would mean..

201036 ▶▶▶▶ JoeBlogg, replying to Carrie, #642 of 1876 🔗

Although he seems to be the better of two evils, I believe it will end up the same way. The system knows Trump is a better front man to stimulate the economy after the fall.

200868 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 7, #643 of 1876 🔗

If you live in Scotland and are angry about having Xmas cancelled, then don’t worry because your Government cares about you.

Just had a poke about on https://clearyourhead.scot/ which contains helpful tips on how to look after each other. I cherry picked a few puke-inducing bits:

“We still need to keep a safe distance from people. But even the smallest of friendly gestures can make a difference to how we feel. Simply smiling or saying ‘hello’ from the other side of the street could help lift both your spirits.”
“If you’re feeling arty, you could make face coverings to safely share with neighbours or friends.”
“If your friends or family are happy to meet up, why not meet for a picnic in the park or a coffee outside – hopefully in the sun!”
“Maybe move gradually towards meeting up if you can, perhaps sharing a walk together in open spaces. And don’t worry, it’s ok to take your time to feel comfortable before meeting up with more people.”

Remember, Nippy loves you all!

200873 ▶▶ chaos, replying to godowneasy, 9, #644 of 1876 🔗

What about flashing your tits or doing a moony?

200885 ▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to chaos, 2, #645 of 1876 🔗

Great suggestion – send to the PR agency clearyourhead@leith.co.uk

200875 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to godowneasy, 16, #646 of 1876 🔗

If you’re feeling arty, you could make face coverings to safely share with neighbours or friends.”

Or

If you are a totally deluded prat you can make an unsanitary face covering which is of no use whatsoever and give that your your neighbours and friends, for no reason other than to virtue signal and get an uptick on your social media profiles.

201104 ▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Leemc23, 2, #647 of 1876 🔗

“Remember to test it for efficacy first by wearing yourself for a few hours before gifting it to your friend – sharing is caring!”

201687 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to AngloWelshDragon, #648 of 1876 🔗

And hang it on your rear view mirror as you take it to your friend’s house.

201107 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Leemc23, #649 of 1876 🔗

And this will allow you to remain part of the in group, not having to think for yourself or take ownership of your relationships. You can be a true follower.

200927 ▶▶ Ruth Sharpe, replying to godowneasy, 2, #650 of 1876 🔗

Your a brave person venturing on that site!

200958 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to godowneasy, 3, #651 of 1876 🔗

Patronisingly creepy SNP horseshit!

As for a picnic in the sun: it’s the Scottish autumn, so my advice to the composers of this crap would be to stick it where the sun doesn’t shine.

Imagine: made redundant, mounting debts, holiday cancelled with no refund, unable to see dentist or doctor, children not doing well at school, family tensions, dreading years of unemployment and alienation, fighting off anger and despair, but a smiley greeting from a safe distance will lift your spirits.

201106 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to wendyk, 2, #652 of 1876 🔗

The scottish police were out in spring with mrgaphones telling scottish people not to sit in parks as “this is not a holiday”. I have the memory and the photograph.

200971 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to godowneasy, 1, #653 of 1876 🔗

Heard on the radio in the car this morning (supposed to have been the automatic traffic announcement): Male health official from Scotland confirming that Christmas will not be normal, Christmas will be digital .

Wonder what is meant by digital?

200978 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Victoria, #654 of 1876 🔗

No family gatherings is likely what is meant..

Will Covid wombles be out checking? Or will they be spending Christmas with their families?

201688 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Victoria, #655 of 1876 🔗

Means give ’em two fingers.

201101 ▶▶ Basics, replying to godowneasy, 1, #656 of 1876 🔗

Who the hell can write in such a faux caring whisper voice, creepy stuff indeed.

201130 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to godowneasy, #657 of 1876 🔗

“If your friends or family are happy to meet up, why not meet for a picnic in the park or a coffee outside – hopefully in the sun!”

The Sun? In Scotland? In winter?

Are they having a fucking laugh?

201685 ▶▶ annie, replying to godowneasy, #658 of 1876 🔗

In Gulag Wales, from tomorrow evening we can’t meet out of doors.
At all.
Up to then, 30 of us can meet out of doors, because the risk of outdoor transmission is ‘negligible’.
Follow the science folks!

PS. I am going to weave some arty hemp nooses to hang Dripfeed and his henchmen in. You are welcome to share.

200871 Jane, replying to Jane, 2, #659 of 1876 🔗

Regarding “reply this week from their MP, Kelly Tolhurst”
can you spell “comma splice”?

200883 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Jane, #660 of 1876 🔗

She’s taken the official response and spliced in some fluffy shite.

200879 chaos, replying to chaos, 9, #661 of 1876 🔗

Serious question.. are they intending to kill some of us off as part of their great reset?

200887 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to chaos, 1, #662 of 1876 🔗

I am wondering this too. Maybe its far fetched but do you think the constant mask wearing compliance could lead eventually to deaths?
The suicides, delayed cancer diagnosis before its too late to treat, e.t.c. the list goes on.

200908 ▶▶▶ JoeBlogg, replying to Janice21, 1, #663 of 1876 🔗

Poverty is the biggest killer by far!!

200912 ▶▶▶▶ JoeBlogg, replying to JoeBlogg, 2, #664 of 1876 🔗

+ poverty = modern day slavery.

200932 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Janice21, #665 of 1876 🔗

I definitely think they want to kill as many as possible, by neglect as well as design..
See those giant stones in the US (think they are called something like ‘guidestones’?) where they say how many (or rather few) people the world population should comprise..

200990 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Janice21, #667 of 1876 🔗

A war of attrition.

200893 ▶▶ Julian, replying to chaos, 2, #668 of 1876 🔗

I don’t much believe in the Great Reset as an explicit objective of the UK government, but our government has certainly killed plenty off already.

201013 ▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Julian, #669 of 1876 🔗

I don’t believe it either and yet there are things happening around us which certainly support that narrative.

200902 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to chaos, 1, #670 of 1876 🔗

Billy Gates great Eugenics project.

200905 ▶▶ JoeBlogg, replying to chaos, 2, #671 of 1876 🔗

If so, likely will be HCG (anti-fertility) in the vaccines as found elsewhere. That way no mass murder but only a generation away from massive population reduction.

200935 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to JoeBlogg, #672 of 1876 🔗

Exactly… Have read that it will be 7 years before people realise what has been done to their children…

201110 ▶▶▶▶ Sylvie, replying to chaos, #674 of 1876 🔗

What is the point of linking to a 23 year old study of ‘ Phase I safety trials in 47 women with elective tubal ligation; Phase II efficacy studies in 148 proven fertile women (2 children), sexually active, desirous of family planning’? Women have always sought reliable, reversible methods of contraception?

200906 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to chaos, 2, #675 of 1876 🔗

Yep, look at Georgia Guidestones, Agenda 21/2030 and with these read what it means, not the nicely flowery lovey dovey what is says.

200941 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Awkward Git, -2, #676 of 1876 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgP0Khlh6rs

A video about the guidestones – start watching at 1.57 in, where it says ‘human depopulation’..

200951 ▶▶▶▶ Kev, replying to Carrie, -2, #677 of 1876 🔗

Also check our “Report from Iron Mountain”, and Codex Alimentarius

201212 ▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Kev, #678 of 1876 🔗

Forgot the Codex, that is pretty scary.

200915 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to chaos, 4, #679 of 1876 🔗

No. We all die. We will die when it’s time. We won’t be murdered. Just will live with broken hearts and a longing of better. That’s our punishment. Even if a “great reset” is not immediately the aim.

200928 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to chaos, 2, #680 of 1876 🔗

Yes. Look at the blurb on the back of Stanly Johnson’s book about population, where it mentions killing people if they cannot stop the number of people being born..

I’m convinced the virus was engineered to be more dangerous to the elderly, and Gates has form when it comes to adding sterilising agents to vaccines. Note that they want to vaccinate elderly and children first…

200952 ▶▶▶ JoeBlogg, replying to Carrie, 1, #681 of 1876 🔗

The Virus is a distraction from the “new age” of technology, the threat level can be adjusted and the population controlled. The world is looking at serious reform or revolt. Interesting times.

200962 ▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to Carrie, 1, #682 of 1876 🔗

But why you would you target the elderly if your long-term goal is population reduction? Surely it would make more sense to target people of breeding age?

200972 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Chicot, 3, #683 of 1876 🔗

They are, forcing young people indoors and to disguise their face, how can they meet anyone and raise a family.

201005 ▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to stefarm, 1, #684 of 1876 🔗

Everybody’s been looking at death rates. It will be interesting to see what happens to birth rates.

The last of the pre-Covid conceptions will be morn mid-December. fter that it will become clear.

201046 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to calchas, 4, #685 of 1876 🔗

All I know is I’ve got 3 new grandchildren coming in November, December and January ,like London buses been waiting for years then 3 come along at once !

201198 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to tonyspurs, 1, #686 of 1876 🔗

Excellent.

200975 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Chicot, 1, #687 of 1876 🔗

Financial – fewer pensions to pay. Can invest the money saved in other things. Also the elderly tend not to be so into AI/tech, which is supposed to be ‘the future’… A lot of older people own their homes, and the new agenda does not want people to own any property…

The vaccines with sterilising agents will reduce the numbers being born.

200983 ▶▶▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Carrie, 1, #688 of 1876 🔗

But aged 80 ish.. especially in a care home.. those owned homes have either already been stolen by the state or given to children?

201024 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to chaos, 1, #689 of 1876 🔗

Obviously yes. But not all elderly live in care homes and those who do will be getting a pension.
Lots of older people dying at home due to not wanting to go to hospital (dying of other things than Covid). Mask-wearing will likely endanger a lot of elderly who are more likely to comply with the rules out of fear.

201002 ▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Carrie, 1, #690 of 1876 🔗

Pensioners anf the immuno-compromised sre effectively creditors of the current unviable socialsystems.

THey are very expensive, getting ever more expensive, and evr more numerous as the boomers retire.

A die-off amongst the old and vulnearble would clearly help the system survive a little longer.

200979 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Carrie, #691 of 1876 🔗

But if you wanted to control population surely you would focus on China, India and Africa? Africa’s population has trebled from some 500M at the time of LiveAid to almost 1.5B today.

201019 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to chaos, 2, #692 of 1876 🔗

Bill Gates has been busy in Africa.India seems to be fully signed up to the Corona scam and China’s population is set to fall massively due to the one child policy

201216 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to chaos, #693 of 1876 🔗

Bill Gate and his cohorts have been – research Kenya and the infertility in females who had his vaccine.

201011 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to chaos, 4, #694 of 1876 🔗

I think it’s not so much kill people directly but maybe reduce the population by making it difficult to form and maintain relationships. Denying young people the chance to socialise and meet potential partners. Creating such a dystopian world people become increasingly isolated and even those in relationships don’t want to bring children into the world. When I was in my 20s I didn’t know any one of my contemporaries who had serious mental health problems but I know so many of my son’s contemporaries and the children of friends (age range 18-30) who are being treated for anxiety/depression. Pleasant kids in their 20s, desperately lonely yet never been in a relationship. Something is going terribly wrong we have reared a generation with very little resilience.

201332 ▶▶ janeinthemindfield, replying to chaos, #695 of 1876 🔗

I dont think that is coming right now and there are things you can do to avoid it if it does look like its on the cards.

Obviously their destruction of the NHS for serious illnesses and infecting care homes with Covid is criminally irresponsible if not genocidal.

It is really terrifying, but unless you have a serious medical problem, (and if you do, what they are doing is utterly evil) you are probably safe for now.

I think the vaccine will be pretty damaging.

I really hate the way we are so helpless in the face of this

201692 ▶▶ CGL, replying to chaos, #696 of 1876 🔗

I do think this is an extremely good reason to hang around and piss them off, just in case. Wouldn’t want to risk them getting the upper hand!

200884 Janice21, replying to Janice21, 33, #697 of 1876 🔗

Highlight of my day – phoned a colleague to ask a work related question and we got chatting about the current corona crap, turns out they are a fellow sceptic, we were finishing one another sentences and stats and they have also signed the GBD! Reckons if this continues much longer there will be proper angry protests in the streets, people are beginning to get really fed up now. Would have chatted longer but had work to get on with. I never got to ask him about this site but hello if you are here :-).

Anyway hurrah for another likeminded NORMAL human being!

200891 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Janice21, 6, #698 of 1876 🔗

I suspect most of my colleagues are on the other side. I know some are for sure, and others on our side. It’s awkward to explore sometimes, especially now that we’re all at home. Harder to drop in casual remarks. I don’t like talking politics at work because it leads to tears before bedtime, but I would at least like to know which other sceptics there are so we can keep in touch.

200923 ▶▶▶ Janice21, replying to Julian, 1, #699 of 1876 🔗

Yes it’s awkward to approach the subject not knowing what viewpoint the other person has!

200942 ▶▶▶▶ Van Allen, replying to Janice21, 5, #700 of 1876 🔗

Yes I find myself skirting around the subject until I can work out which “side” they’re on. The thing is the lockdown zealots usually blurt out their beliefs as if they are facts and assume you agree with them!

200943 ▶▶▶▶ Eddy, replying to Janice21, 1, #701 of 1876 🔗

Just ask what fabric his/her mask is.

200967 ▶▶▶▶▶ Janice21, replying to Eddy, #702 of 1876 🔗

LOL good one

200981 ▶▶▶▶▶ Kev, replying to Eddy, 3, #703 of 1876 🔗

Just point out unless its N95 mask its worse than useless and poses a serious health risk to them, hypoxia, impetigo, mask mouth, permenant irreversable brain damage

201023 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to Kev, 1, #704 of 1876 🔗

Even a n95 is not as effective as people think, especially versus viruses.

201052 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Kev, replying to Alan P, 2, #705 of 1876 🔗

Granted, its only useless, but do the mask wearing zombies really care?

How can we convince them they also need to wear swimming goggles, to protect thier eyes and stay safe! Interested to see just how many would actually do it!

201545 ▶▶▶▶▶ djc, replying to Eddy, 1, #706 of 1876 🔗

Had a new boiler fitted this week. The plumber and his apprentice: normal people, no masks. The electrician woc cam the next day to complete the wiring: arrived wearing masks, was happy when I told him he didn’t need to. The ‘registered engineer’ who came today to sign it off: mask. gloves, kept them on the whole time despite my telling him no need.

200886 Caramel, replying to Caramel, 4, #707 of 1876 🔗

Finally watched the Unherd interview with Piers Morgan. He was insufferable as ever.

200913 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Caramel, 3, #708 of 1876 🔗

By his own admission Piers Morgan knew about illegal voicemail hacking years before it became a public scandal – and he did nothing about it. Though he was a national newspaper editor at the time he did not expose it. Nor did he alert the police, Nor did he take any steps to ensure it didn’t happen at his paper. He just turned a blind eye.

He deserves no public platform whatsoever.

200934 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Leemc23, 12, #709 of 1876 🔗

He is a wanker.

200931 ▶▶ Will, replying to Caramel, 5, #710 of 1876 🔗

Being on the opposite side of an argument to Piers Moron is one of my life affirming certainties. The man should be in prison.

201007 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Will, #711 of 1876 🔗

Lord Haw Haw springs to mind

201045 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Caramel, #712 of 1876 🔗

Morgan is a paradox and shows the worst case of cognitive dissonance I have seen. He has been on Radio stations plugging his book about the WOKE agenda. His is basically saying that the WOKE agenda is trying to take away our free speech, free thought and democracy. Yip, Piers, with you 100% there, these people should be stopped at all costs. However, here comes the cognitive dissonance, he is 100% percent behind lockdowns, calls people who have challenged the government narrative dangerous and named them conspiracy theorists. Called out demonstrators who have demonstrated in London who are fighting for democracy idiots.

Piers wants the end of the woke culture that is stopping free speech etc, However, he has been one of the worst in the media, demanding more lockdowns and more invasions on our democracy. Words fail me, a paradox indeed.

201396 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Caramel, 1, #713 of 1876 🔗

Freddie Sayers must have the patience of a saint to stay so polite with him.

200895 Mutineer, replying to Mutineer, 46, #714 of 1876 🔗

As someone both old and with health issues (cancer amongst them) I am beginning to despair. I want to enjoy what is left of my life but this year I’ve had more stress thrust upon me than even cancer caused me. I can’t sleep and can’t manage to even eat a meal. Fear of Covid-19? Nope. I’ve lived through flu outbreaks just as virulent without even being aware of them. Apparently, over 40k died in 2017/8 (I think) although the figures have miraculously changed to 26k. Where did the extra 14k go? Over 50k died in 1976/7 although I was having too good a time to remember! I isolated in March and April as it seemed the correct course but now I know we’ve been played. I ignore it as much as I can by not wearing a muzzle although I hate myself for wearing an ‘exempt’ lanyard. So that people don’t attack me and try to ‘shame’ me the current Mr C does wear a mask. I refuse to enter tearooms etc with these idiotic rules, we can’t do weekend breaks etc so our lives are at a standstill. What are we waiting for? Police state? Enforced vaccination? They’d have to drag me out screaming! Medical care has ceased and I cannot even get a hip replacement privately as the wonderful NHS (I worked for them and would never applaud them knowing what I do) have commandeered the private sector facilities even though they’re not being used. I read of illegally awarded contracts making millions for some people. I read with horror that Dido Harding is married to John Penrose. Penrose sits on the advisory board of the think tank ‘1828’, which calls for the NHS to be replaced by an insurance system and for Public Health England to be scrapped. Surely this is a conflict of interest? I would rather know if this really is something sinister which means the end of our liberty as these lies are causing more lives to be lost by the deliberate culling of the old and the sick. Is this the plan? I am full of utter contempt that the public honestly believe the ‘protect the NHS’ (the very people supposed to protect us) and ‘protect the elderly’ mantra when we are, in fact, being left to suffer and die. It’s deliberate culling.

200921 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Mutineer, 8, #715 of 1876 🔗

I hope Jolyon Maugham knows that info about Dido Harding’s husband? Never been a fan of Jolyon, but he is at least taking the government to court for not putting contracts out to tender and just giving them to their mates…

200944 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Mutineer, 20, #716 of 1876 🔗

All I can say is please try to have hope – there have been a lot of encouraging signs recently. Just today I have heard of several – the Liverpool civil disobedience campaign has been successful, with all gyms in the UK allowed to remain open. The police in Australia have declared anti-lockdown protests to be lawful. A judge in Pennsylvania has ruled lockdown to be unconstitutional. Hoteliers in Scotland are sueing the Scottish ‘government’ in a major class action. Please don’t despair, as I do think the tide is beginning to turn.

200956 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Cranmer, 18, #717 of 1876 🔗

Hoteliers in Scotland are sueing the Scottish ‘government’ in a major class action.

That is great news. All the best to them

201591 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Victoria, 1, #718 of 1876 🔗

Indeed.
Before the bollox started, we were contemplating spending Christmas at a wonderful hotel in Kintyre. I hope they are in on this action and will be ready for us in 2021.

200984 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Cranmer, 4, #719 of 1876 🔗

As much as I am pleased that the police in Victoria are saying that, the job of the police is to enforce the law not decide it.

Since when have we relied on the police to decide what is legal?

201177 ▶▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to calchas, 3, #720 of 1876 🔗

And since when has the police had the authority to enforce the unreasonable ? Police by consent infers a need to find common ground. If the measure being enforced is unreasonable then by default it must not be enforced.

201628 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to calchas, 1, #721 of 1876 🔗

Good point. In some ways, it just reinforces the idea of a police state if the police think they can pronounce what can and can’t be done. But in my experience, sadly, most people in common-law states don’t understand that, as Sir Robert Peel put it, ‘the police are the people and the people are the police’. They think they are some sort of uniformed, armed branch of the government.

200948 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Mutineer, 32, #722 of 1876 🔗

As someone both old and with health issues (cancer amongst them) ….I want to enjoy what is left of my life but this year I’ve had more stress thrust upon me than even cancer caused me.”

Snap.

… and if I hear any more about ‘the vulnerable’ ‘being protected’, somebody might get a mask stuffed where the sun don’t shine. We don’t take f.ing sugar (nor shit), nor do we need ‘protecting’ from a gone virus. We will assess our own risks – and take them as appropriate, rather than relish the imprisonment of the young whilst being deprived of an important part of their lives,. or the even younger being subjected to child abuse by the enforcement of mask wearing.

Stop using us as a f.ing excuse for a power grab.

… and remember that many of us have been around far too long to be taken in by Scary Fairy stories – and a lot have also had decades of experience looking at and analysing numbers, such that we know a con when we see one.

We’re also old enough to be ashamed at what is going on, having been in touch with those previous generations who faced much worse odds – so don’t go sticking a red poppy underneath your mask. It’s an insult to real suffering.

… and don’t tell me what the ‘rules’ are. I really don’t give a stuff, and resent every minute of this new Stasiland dictatorship.

201088 ▶▶▶ Mutineer, replying to RickH, 9, #723 of 1876 🔗

Thanks for your spirited words. I feel exactly the same but there seems to be no end in sight I can feel the spirit draining fro me day by day. I live in a smallish town where we are called Covidiots by the Stasi and the vast majority seem to believe the bullshit. I posted on a local forum and was told by some charmer that he ‘wouldn’t give me the steam off his piss’ and I even had a couple of vile pm’s telling me to ‘hurry up and die’. Not sure this is a world I want to live in. I am also certain that BLM and the ‘Woke’ (for want of a better term) have taken advantage or is it all part of the same plan? I ignore as much as I can but it’s hard when your once friendly neighbour now ignores you and your best friend of over 40 years blocks you. Division seems to be part of it all but I would love to know what ‘it’ is!

201596 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Mutineer, 2, #724 of 1876 🔗

It’s just that a lot of people are zombie arseholes. Always were, but the current bollox has flushed them out. And I mean flushed.
Jettison them.It’s liberating.
AND KEEP OFF SOCIAL MEDIA.THAT’S LESSON ONE.

201248 ▶▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to RickH, 3, #725 of 1876 🔗

Post of the day. Thank you.

200953 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Mutineer, 14, #726 of 1876 🔗

I think it all happened so quickly that people didnt have time to realise what was going on. It does seem to be changing now. I understand you,feel the same, won’t even enter premises where they mention face masks, closes a lot off to us, but so be it, I just won;t be part of the scam.

201060 ▶▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Dan Clarke, 15, #727 of 1876 🔗

Having worked hard all our lives we are unable to enjoy what’s left of our retirement or even spend the money we worked hard to save for this purpose. I am now terrified that our bank accounts will be plundered or our freedom restricted even further. To have your life on hold and be in perpetual fear is no way to live. I am certain the stress will kill many of us. Those who are elderly and living alone must feel one accident or illness away from the culling homes – whoops- I mean ‘care homes’. We cannot elect for euthanasia, but they can put us in isolation, refuse us any medical care and then cull us. All in the name of ‘protection’.

201344 ▶▶ janeinthemindfield, replying to Mutineer, 2, #728 of 1876 🔗

Its criminal. Its evil. My heart goes out to you.

We need to be able to find each other, get together in groups, so we can help each other. I feel so frustrated wailing into cyberspace rather than working together and caring for each other in reality. Kindness and comfort make so much difference.

200898 maggie may, replying to maggie may, 7, #729 of 1876 🔗

Am i being very pedantic when wondering precisely what the BBC mean when they say Martin Bashir is ‘seriously unwell’? How does that differ from being seriously ill?

200904 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to maggie may, 5, #730 of 1876 🔗

Isn’t it just ‘unwell’ said with a frowny face?

[Anti BBC cynic mode set to 11]

200938 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to maggie may, #731 of 1876 🔗

Have they actually found someone?

201170 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to maggie may, 4, #732 of 1876 🔗

I don’t care. I am sorry for him and his family. But frankly put people get ill, People die. Just because he is Bashir means what exactly ?

I didn’t see the BBC saying anything about my uncle who passed away at 44 for no obvious reason. Or my grandad at 46 or my aunt at 39….or any of the millions of children who die each year or the…….

Bollocks to the BBC. Illness and death is a part of life, and their reporting is making it a central part of life and that’s ridiculous.

201582 ▶▶ annie, replying to maggie may, #733 of 1876 🔗

Used to mean ‘has a hangover’, didn’t it?

200919 G M, replying to G M, 6, #734 of 1876 🔗

I read the piece by the Oxford University student and it restored – a little, since it is but one person – my faith in our students and their ability to think critically. It is, as one would hope form an Oxford undergrad, wonderfully written and expressive. I was struck by one prescient observation about secondary schooling. Students are asked to think critically, observes our author, but this is just covering verbiage. Students are in reality encouraged to do what they are told in schools, to obey authority, to adhere to the current norms of “acceptable” thought and speech, and to put “safety’ before risk. It is an odd and ever widening gap, between a meaningless injunction (“think critically”) and the actuality. Thank-you for reminding us, sage of Oxford!

200949 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to G M, 1, #735 of 1876 🔗

Great post.

200922 Basics, 3, #736 of 1876 🔗

A comment about the isolated press conferences by the untrustables. In part a reflection on reading some snp bull**** about how one snp had a meeting with another over the telephone – a ‘telephone call’ to all non shysters.

It has now been created as a norm that ‘journalists’ are now ‘present’ at press conferences remotely. This is done for health reasons we are told. But who does this new senario benefit? The untrustables.

It is obviously true that the hermetically sealed of politicians being viewed from a single webcam viewpoint whilst making speeches and answering questions is not advantageous to openess, truth, honesty, etc.

Notes, directions and corrections will all be being placed outside of camera view. Aides writing on black boards, researchers googling facts – it can all be happening out of shot. Perhaps ear pieces can now be used since no in-the-room scrutinty is offered.

Why not two or so socially distanced ‘journalists? Or, alternatively, why has it not become the norm to offer the speakers view looking back onto the webcam and the virtual audience? A small inset screen in a top corner could verify if this is Jackboot Johnson’s thoughts or those of his handlers.

The established practice as it is now is wide open to corruption.

Wouldn’t a politician have sent out a social media picture of their view of this press conference ritual by now? We’ve had unwanted selfie pictures from hair salons forced into the public sphere as proof of we all suffer together.

This webcam procedure has developed unnoticed and is blatantly opaque.

200926 Eddy, replying to Eddy, 18, #737 of 1876 🔗

Long Covid – The new scam

200936 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to Eddy, 3, #738 of 1876 🔗

Minister of Death was on about this just yesterday..

200992 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Eddy, 4, #739 of 1876 🔗

Will be interesting to see in a few years time how accepting the benefits system is of claims for disability because of long covid? Somehow I suspect the government may come to rue their promotion of this.

201000 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Eddy, 2, #740 of 1876 🔗

Not helped by the number of muppets claiming they have had covid.

201156 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to chaos, 1, #741 of 1876 🔗

Yeah. I hate that. I remember first Monday a few days after lockdown we had a Skype meeting and someone reported (20 something Brixton loving upper middle class twat) Rebecca has caught Covid and she was “really ill” Three days later another Skype call. Who crops up fully recovered and bright as a daisy ? Yep…….

World is full of people who want the attention. Hero’s who beat the bug.

201071 ▶▶ Kev, replying to Eddy, 3, #742 of 1876 🔗

Long lockdown and masking is much worse and much more destructive.

What they call “Long Covid” is in no way a unique side effect of a viral infection. People are affected in different ways, we have different physiologies, its normal and for those affected its unpleasant and debilitating.

201579 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Kev, #743 of 1876 🔗

It took me six weeks of aches, pains and exhaustion to get over the flu.
I didn’t realise what an epic I was living through.

201146 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Eddy, #744 of 1876 🔗

Should be no surprise to our media hacks that if Covid makes you unwell and you end up in hospital, it’s going to take a long while to recover. Covid is not “just” a virus of the lungs. It affects by binding to ACE2 receptors and they can be found on most (all ?) major organs.

So the media worthy surprise is, why are you surprised ? Ultimately, 86% of people are not significantly affected and won’t get “long Covid” fact. Move on. Go Ask why 30,000 old people die of the cold each winter and why, generally no one gives a fuck.

200930 chaos, replying to chaos, 11, #745 of 1876 🔗

For those who missed it.. Sir Kier Obama Starmer is on the trilateral commission (Rockerfeller). His jousting with Boris is theatre.

200946 ▶▶ Crazy Times, replying to chaos, 7, #746 of 1876 🔗

It’s so obvious, he’s not even a good actor.

200933 Foxglove, replying to Foxglove, 36, #747 of 1876 🔗

Son’s primary school has just confirmed, no nativity or carol service this year. Father Christmas will not be coming to distribute presents as normal but they will hold some Christmas- like activities in the last week.
Christmas cards must be handed in during the first week of December for isolation over the weekend, they will then be sorted by staff and placed in plastic envelopes before being given out to children once all risk has passed.
I feel that once again children are being robbed of all that makes childhood so special.

200937 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Foxglove, 21, #748 of 1876 🔗

Tragic and also, pathetic.

200939 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Foxglove, 11, #749 of 1876 🔗

Its really sad…..first no trick or treating on Halloween (although I am hoping the kids round my way still do it, but I would say parents are afraid of neighbours snitching) and now this, My son is 2.5 and first year of really knowing the magic of Christmas but it wont be the same. Hoping we can still get some magic of it for him.

200965 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Foxglove, 3, #750 of 1876 🔗

Barking.

200986 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Foxglove, 14, #751 of 1876 🔗

Subvert the rules. What are they going to do? Suspend a tiny child for handing a Christmas card directly to their best friend? They only get away with it because people go along with it. If you aren’t prepared to subvert it then don’t participate at all.

201014 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Foxglove, 9, #752 of 1876 🔗

Schools seem to be revelling in all this shit. I hope the children survive it.

201016 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Foxglove, 10, #753 of 1876 🔗

What the heck is a ‘Christmas-like’ activity?

And who decides when ‘all risk has passed’ and that cards can be given out? Will that be *after* Christmas?

Seriously, do they think people quarantine their post at home for days before opening it?

I’m guessing singing any carols is out of the question…?

201029 ▶▶▶ Foxglove, replying to Carrie, 8, #754 of 1876 🔗

Totally out of the question, think of the risk!. They can’t even sing happy birthday, it has to be spoken. It used to be lovely to hear the singing coming from the school, almost every lesson, certainly in the infants, would involve a song, that is how children learn.
What is going on in schools has to be experienced to be believed. I have a child in secondary and that is even worse.

201033 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Foxglove, 2, #755 of 1876 🔗

Seriously do the kids say the words to the Happy Birthday song now??

201042 ▶▶▶▶▶ Foxglove, replying to Carrie, 5, #756 of 1876 🔗

Yes, singing is banned. But my son asked today if they could hum Happy birthday to their friend as he didn’t think just saying it was enough and that was allowed. Obviously he knows it is all madness but i worry for the children who don’t get deprogrammed at home, what is it doing to them…

201142 ▶▶▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Carrie, 2, #757 of 1876 🔗

Evidence of transmission of virus by singing in a school setting ? None.

Evidence of harm from not being able to sing in school – not sure, but suspect it’s more than none.

Therefore their risk reduction measure has created greater risk. Point this out and point out the legal ramifications of implementing measures that cause harm.

201092 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Carrie, 5, #758 of 1876 🔗

Ask for the risk assessment that identified Christmas cards as a transmission risk.

201191 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Leemc23, 2, #759 of 1876 🔗

Good suggestion for Foxglove (the OP) to do!

201075 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Foxglove, 5, #760 of 1876 🔗

You are right to feel robbed. Childhood is limited. And a whole years of life experience has been unreasonably extracted from your memories. Please write to your MP, make your sense of discord obvious on social media and NEVER EVER FORGET. they are robbing your family of living life itself.

Also, do not feel you are unable to tell the school some home truths such as; Transmission via paper is unheard of. You can do a nativity fine and either broadcast it or film it and pass the DVD to kids parents. And Santa does not actually need to breach social distancing, it’s fine to turn up at least and show some joy in life.

Oh and ask the school for a copy of their risk assessment or task risk assessment and where it says that the immediate danger is x y or z and their measure reduces the risk, point out that their risk reduction method has to benefit without harm……trap them by logic.

Frankly, your school is run by absolutely pathetic see you next Tuesday people.

Sorry you have to deal with this. Be strong.

201581 ▶▶▶ Foxglove, replying to Leemc23, 1, #761 of 1876 🔗

Thanks for that, actually i think i will challenge them on the nativity. They are terrified of the singing that is what is driving this.They haven’t even considered how they might adjust and adapt. The head teacher is very very risk averse and very difficult to reason with.

My MP is sick of hearing from me.

201147 ▶▶ JoeBlogg, replying to Foxglove, 2, #762 of 1876 🔗

Why do they need to be placed in plastic envelopes if “all risk has passed”?

201506 ▶▶▶ djc, replying to JoeBlogg, 2, #763 of 1876 🔗

And this deadly contagion won’t be spread by the person filling the plastic envelope?

201585 ▶▶▶▶ Foxglove, replying to djc, 1, #764 of 1876 🔗

I assume they will wear gloves and a mask. Seriously though i think the teachers are really pleased with themselves for devising this system.

201178 ▶▶ Mel, replying to Foxglove, 5, #765 of 1876 🔗

My sons school field is over my back fence. They had the reception class out on the field doing daily mile when I was hanging out the washing. Nearly climbed the fence when I heard the TA telling 2 five year Olds they weren’t allowed to touch each other.

Fortunately the Barnsley five year Olds gave her a look somewhat equivalent to I don’t give a sod, and took no notice.

200950 Eddy, replying to Eddy, 13, #766 of 1876 🔗

Private Criminal Prosecution for every MP who voted for the coronavirus act. You may see mass resignations. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9pm3Z6nFnk&feature=youtu.be

200963 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Eddy, 6, #767 of 1876 🔗

… or not, as the more likely case may be.

200970 ▶▶▶ Eddy, replying to RickH, 1, #768 of 1876 🔗

Let’s see..

201021 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Eddy, 2, #769 of 1876 🔗

Its a shame all our police forces choose to turn a blind eye to the biggest crimes in the nations history.

201576 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Saved To Death, #770 of 1876 🔗

They are active collaborators.
Reminds me of the awful accounts of Reichskristallnacht. When the police are on the side of the thugs.

201340 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Eddy, #771 of 1876 🔗

Great link thanks. I have also posted above with a short summary

200969 CGL, replying to CGL, 33, #772 of 1876 🔗

Bit of a mixed morning.
8th dystopian dental appointment – hopefully the last now for 6 months.
Afterwards needed to get some glasses fixed. Standing outside the opticians – as we unwashed arent allowed in without eye appointment – someone I hadn’t seen for a very long time walked by with his daughter, and said hello and was I ok and coping.

After yesterday’s awful news of the 4 babies in Oz (which I cannot get out of my head), the fact that my youngest says (again) last night that she doesn’t want to be here any more, and the whole silliness of not being able to walk into the optician when I needed to, unfortunately this was quite bad timing unbeknownst to him, and I’m afraid I broke down in the street. Just couldn’t control it. It felt sort of like seeing someone for the first time when you are grieving.
So it all came out.

However, good news is that he is completely in agreement – although not read all the things that we are reading on here. He had looked at a lot of data and not worked out why the panic, and he has seen the Kary Mullis vid 2 days ago. I am hoping to be able to open his world up to a whole lot more, but it really helped to have 1 more person that I know I can talk to.
Also i have now hugged 5 people I shouldn’t have done in less than a week.
Hugs are a good thing!!!!

200976 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to CGL, 5, #773 of 1876 🔗

Sending virtual hugs your way! I love hugs. I hope your youngest feels brighter soon.

201022 ▶▶ Paul, replying to CGL, 4, #774 of 1876 🔗

Nothing beats a good hug,especially these days,keep at it !.

200985 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 8, #775 of 1876 🔗

The Stone Roses singer Ian Brown is back on form and is most definitely a full blooded raging sceptic judging by his latest tweets.

200996 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to nickbowes, 2, #776 of 1876 🔗

He’s spot on. Wide awake.

200999 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to nickbowes, 1, #777 of 1876 🔗
201018 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Eddy, 1, #778 of 1876 🔗

Yes. No fear from him.

201008 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to nickbowes, 2, #779 of 1876 🔗

About time for another Dominic Frisby song now I feel..

201004 Mel, 14, #780 of 1876 🔗

Dont mess with Barnsley. Local outlet social media post.

“Permission to come out for a drink. Our substantial meal deal. 1 menu item + 6 drinks for £35. You’re welcome!!”

201010 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Telpin, 5, #782 of 1876 🔗

Helpful to at least give some idea of what the link is when posting, to save people clicking on stuff they have already seen 😉

201015 ▶▶▶ Telpin, replying to Carrie, 2, #783 of 1876 🔗

Sorry – it’s Do you hear the people sing?’ From Les Mis. Cheesy I know but captures the spirit and the refrain of ‘ voices of angry men’ that ‘we shall not be slaves again’ is uplifting . Sent it to my daughter as she can leave her self isolation room at Uni at midnight tonight!

201132 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Telpin, 1, #784 of 1876 🔗

If the West End ever comes back Les Mis will be first on my list to see again. Just thinking about that music sends a shiver down my spine.
I sang a medley of songs from the show in a ships choir on Britannia a couple of years ago on a cruise we were on – highlight of my trip!!!

201012 alw, 15, #785 of 1876 🔗

Just been out and about in Central London. A lot of business lunches seem to be taking place…lol 👏 👏 👏 👏

201025 Basics, replying to Basics, 4, #786 of 1876 🔗

UK Parliament: Public Vote of No Confidence in the current Tory Government – Sign the Petition

This government has failed the people.

It has failed to protect lives during the COVID pandemic: the highest death toll in Europe; encouraging easing lockdown with the highest daily deaths; using care homes as death camps for the elderly

And if this is not enough they also heap injury upon injury by failing to protect the economy and jobs, with an insistence on leaving the EU with or without a deal at the end of this year.

Money is pouring out of the Exchequer into the businesses and coffers of their cronies;they penalise disadvantaged pupils with their GCE, and possibly also their GCSE grading algorithm; and all the while stay away on holidays when they should be in Parliament dealing with the shambles they have created.

Now they are prepared to break international law, and give themselves power to override domestic laws.

This is a rogue government working against its own people – incompetent and highly dangerous.

It needs to go.

https://www.change.org/p/uk-parliament-public-vote-of-no-confidence-in-the-current-tory-government?recruiter=26281600&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=psf_combo_share_initial&utm_term=psf_combo_share_initial&recruited_by_id=1a483630-c954-012f-9eb0-40401fa5e37a

201095 ▶▶ Kev, replying to Basics, 8, #787 of 1876 🔗

Just for clarity, is this petition suggesing lockdowns were eased too early, and should have been maintained? Is it actually pro-lockdown?

I hate this government as much as anyone, and regret I voted for them, certainly the blond pig, but I would vote against them because of their over-reaction to the Covid threat and their move to authoritarianism, not because they didn’t go far enough or because I want to see Brexit cancelled.

201028 Eddy, replying to Eddy, 14, #788 of 1876 🔗

This is getting silly now.

Mentioning people wearing a Gimp-Gag has got me a twitter ban.

Where will it end..

201051 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Eddy, 4, #789 of 1876 🔗

They wouldn’t do it if they weren’t afraid.

They know that by banning and shadow banning twitter becomes a toxic brand, adding to its demise. There has been an increase of social media censorship, they calculate there is a problem to their social engineering goals.

A multinational feels afraid of two words and a hyphen.

201059 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Eddy, 6, #790 of 1876 🔗

Not that I ever used it but isn’t clear now that Twitter has reached it’s natural conclusion and needs to be wound up.

201094 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Achilles, #791 of 1876 🔗

Yes!

201229 ▶▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to Achilles, #792 of 1876 🔗

Twitter is a sort of bum hole where thoughts go to die. I’ve never really seen the appeal to be honest.

201571 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Achilles, #793 of 1876 🔗

Twitter is a sewer.

201153 ▶▶ Mrs issedoff, replying to Eddy, 1, #794 of 1876 🔗

Do they allow muzzle or is that banned too?. I see that free speech is alive and well then!.

201030 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 33, #795 of 1876 🔗

Have you been in Waterstones recently? Apart from not taking cash, and being told about the policy as you walk through the door, they WILL NOT touch anything you’ve touched! Take a book to the checkout – “could you turn it over so that I can scan the barcode, please”. Okay. Present Waterstones card. “Could you just flip it over so that I can scan it”. I walked out, leaving the book I was about to purchase for them to deal with. I assume they put on rubber gloves before placing it back on the shelf.

As we know, most bat flu precautions go far too far, but with Waterstones you’re in a different league. I wonder which tosspot, or committee of management tosspots, came up with this theatre.

201038 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to Tenchy, 17, #796 of 1876 🔗

Honestly, companies like Watestones deserve to die. Caffe Nero also refuse cash so have lost customers and are on the brink !! good riddance

201044 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to nickbowes, 13, #797 of 1876 🔗

Absolutely agree. Always striking how poor the range off books has been at waterstones over the years at times you can all most feel a censor in opperation. Support local independents – books are an adventure not what waterstones presents.

201086 ▶▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Basics, #798 of 1876 🔗

Unfortunately round here – Teesside – it’s either Waterstones, WHS or nothing.

201084 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to nickbowes, 11, #799 of 1876 🔗

Yes, and paper cups. I was in there yesterday. An oldish chap came in, followed a couple of minutes later by a mate of his. When the operative realised they knew each other she said “sorry but you can’t sit together if you’re not from the same household, you’ll have to sit in the conservatory”. They seemed to ignore her and sat at the same table anyway. I sat in the window watching the dreary street scene; at least 40% of people muzzled outside. I then called the fake number I’d given them for T&T. Bugger me! Someone answered. I’ll have to sort out some other number.

201564 ▶▶▶▶ djc, replying to Tenchy, 1, #800 of 1876 🔗

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/phones-telecoms-and-internet/information-for-industry/numbering/numbers-for-drama

alternatively I have a lot of sim cards that came with a phone that I have never used because I just put the old sim in. Legit numer issued but never used.

201145 ▶▶ Mrs issedoff, replying to Tenchy, 2, #801 of 1876 🔗

We are living in a country which has completely lost the plot. I went to buy some perfume and didn’t realise that you can’t pick up and try a tester yourself, you have to get the assistant to do it!. What the hell is that about?. We can go into a supermarket and pick up and put down what we like, most of us are still alive, although I do have to pinch myself now and again to make sure I haven’t died and gone to hell.

201220 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Tenchy, 6, #802 of 1876 🔗

A customer in our local bakery proferred cash and the sales assistant made a big thing of putting on a pair of latex gloves before handling the disease-infected notes. I’m obviously living life on the edge by handling cash all the time.

201566 ▶▶ annie, replying to Tenchy, 7, #803 of 1876 🔗

I buy all my my books from abebooks and Amazon. Any qualms about Amazon’s tax dodging are long gone. I won’t go to a shop to be treated literally like dirt.

201034 Mel, replying to Mel, 6, #804 of 1876 🔗
201073 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mel, 3, #805 of 1876 🔗

Maybe not PM. But certainly his belief in liberty to warming the cockles.

201037 Mel, replying to Mel, 21, #806 of 1876 🔗

It is not for the scientists to weigh-up those costs, their expertise is confined to the question that they were asked -how to stop the spread.
Rather, it is for the Government to make the assessment as to whether the cost and damage is worth the candle.
So, those politicians who are now insisting that we should just do what the scientists are telling us, including the Leader of the Opposition, have fundamentally misunderstood the nature of the advice and their own proper role in weighing it up.
Furthermore, they equally fail to appreciate that there is a growing body of scientists and clinicians who believe that the strategy is the wrong one. The great Barrington Declaration, which gives voice to this growing dissent, has -as I write- been signed by 26,000 clinicians and 10,000 medical and public health scientists.
The resistance is growing in Parliament too: 88 MPs voted against the 10 o’clock hospitality curfew this week.
Most dissent comes however, from within the governing party itself. This is because the coronavirus strategy has been particularly difficult for Conservatives like myself, for whom the belief that individuals make better decisions for themselves, their families and their communities than the state can make for them, is a core value.
As Winston Churchill summed it up ‘trust the people’.

Desmond Swayne MP Con

201040 ▶▶ bucky99, replying to Mel, 2, #807 of 1876 🔗

Entirely agree.

201053 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Mel, #808 of 1876 🔗

It is indeed for the politicians to decide. That’s where the buck stops.

?But …

It is not for the scientists to weigh-up those costs”

Yes it is. Cost/Benefit analysis is part of assessing any measures, whether in medicine or wider areas of policy. You may require a different set of skills to do this – but that’s fine in the wider context, where a mixture of specialist expertise can be applied

Part of the political role is to ensure that it is done.

The belief in individual autonomy wherever possible is not, by the way, a particularly ‘conservative’ idea.

201062 ▶▶▶ Mel, replying to RickH, #809 of 1876 🔗

There’s a bit more at the beginning that gives extra context.

The blog post is called Ask A Silly Question and comes after criticism of SAGE saying their advice was ignored. Desmond’s take – it wasnt ignored. It was rejected as too costly.

201039 Basics, 12, #810 of 1876 🔗

Please share and let’s try and connect the students to legal assistance

Simon Dolan #KBF
@simondolan
·
4h
If anyone knows this kids please ask them to get in touch with me.

Four STUDENTS are fined £10,000 EACH after hosting house party

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1319226502072946688?s=20

201041 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 16, #811 of 1876 🔗

Daily Telegraph has lots of articles praising Rishi Sunak with headlines such as ‘Rishi Sunak opens his chequebook for a more generous job support scheme’ . Don’t journalist realise the government is just getting the Bank of England to print a few more billion to keep the slaves happy? No doubt it will buy many people off for another 6 months – freedom is easily sacrificed.

201047 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Darryl, 7, #812 of 1876 🔗

It is our tax money

201137 ▶▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Victoria, 1, #813 of 1876 🔗

Where did the money come in the first place to pay the tax?

201054 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Darryl, 2, #814 of 1876 🔗

It appears that the money will only run out when the ink does.

201133 ▶▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Achilles, 1, #815 of 1876 🔗

There’s no ink. It’s just numbers on the Bank of England balance sheet, which is all that money is.

Therefore it can’t run out.

201055 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Darryl, 2, #816 of 1876 🔗

Rishi Sunak actually has that guy from The Inbetweeners trapped in side his body. The one who narrates. It’s the same voice and the same sense.

201063 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Darryl, 6, #817 of 1876 🔗

He’s being set up as the first ethnic PM. The puppeteers want that first. Still.. at least he isn’t married to a trans like Barry. Not that I mind.. just despise dishonesty.

Sorry.. what I meant to say was it doesn’t matter who you vote for, someone like Goldman Sachs always gets in.

201103 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to chaos, 2, #818 of 1876 🔗

Globalist puppet.

201183 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to thinkaboutit, 1, #819 of 1876 🔗

Exactly – an ex banker too.
No thanks!

What with him and Khan you would also think the UK was a majority ethnic country…

201049 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 1, #820 of 1876 🔗

NHS: another 152 deaths in hospitals (doesn’t say if they died OF Covid-19).

Looks like flu season is here; if this year’s flu season is bad, this country is completely fucked.

201056 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Ceriain, #821 of 1876 🔗

It shouldn’t be – the southern hemisphere didnt get it bad and that usually gives us a heads up

201067 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to CGL, 2, #822 of 1876 🔗

There are some trains of thought that the flu has just been replaced by Covid in a lot of countries.

Not arguing with you, by the way. 🙂

201076 ▶▶▶▶ JoeBlogg, replying to Ceriain, 2, #823 of 1876 🔗

Re-brand – Re-package-Re-market

201109 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Ceriain, 1, #824 of 1876 🔗

Well yes – that too this year. Maybe I missed the point – wouldnt be the first time!

201057 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Ceriain, 2, #825 of 1876 🔗

Looking at it optimistically, anyone who is carried off with Covid would probably have succumbed to the flu anyway in previous years, so might not make much difference in the end.

201072 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Charlie Blue, 6, #826 of 1876 🔗

It will make a difference to how long the government gets away with this crap. They need “covid deaths” desperately.

201078 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #827 of 1876 🔗

Can’t disagree with that. Ivor Cummins video showed that to be true; not a bad flu season in 19/20, Covid just slurped up all the ‘dry tinder’.

Even Ferguson told the Health Committee that a lot of the Covid victims in the ‘first wave’ were people who would have died in a matter of months, anyway.

201081 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ceriain, 2, #828 of 1876 🔗

Flu, at the very least, is competing with Covid for the dry tinder and has led to a 97% collapse globally.

Many theories as to why that has happened but we can say it’s got bugger all to do with masks.

201136 ▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #829 of 1876 🔗

I suspect hospitalisations of flu and pnuemonia are also being labelled covid. Either on entry or shortly afterwards when they have been infected on the wards. If they die they are then labelled covid deaths whether or not that pushed them over. Flu gets pushed out of the stats.

201238 ▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to peyrole, #830 of 1876 🔗

In the NI data the flu and Covid paper showed that 96% of people being labelled as Covid coming in weren’t then tested for flu. So Covid was presumed rather than falsified.

201224 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #831 of 1876 🔗

…it’s got bugger all to do with masks.

So true!

201058 Ed Phillips, replying to Ed Phillips, 5, #832 of 1876 🔗

My Labour MP has finally responded to my multiple emails. It contains this remarkable statement:

I am concerned at what many perceive to be an overall strategic approach taken by the Government in response to the pandemic that is about “flattening the curve” by suppressing the pandemic instead of pursuing a “Zero Covid” strategy to entirely eliminate transmission of the virus nationwide. There is evidence that many of the countries which are now seeing comparably low levels of community transmission of the virus, and consequently have been able to limit the economic damage of the pandemic, pursued this strategy of elimination and rapidly responded to localised outbreaks through an effective Test, Track & Trace system.

201069 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Ed Phillips, 4, #833 of 1876 🔗

What a birdbrain

Can he explain to you how this works?

It doesn’t even work in NZ where they have very few cases

In the UK where there are thousands it is a dangerous fantasy, not even recommended by the WHO pandemic playbook

201070 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Ed Phillips, 4, #834 of 1876 🔗

He/she is a cretin.

201082 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Ed Phillips, 6, #835 of 1876 🔗

A clear example of someone who thinks they understand it but hasn’t got the faintest clue.

201096 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Achilles, 3, #836 of 1876 🔗

Your average member of parliament. Partly explains why we are in this mess. IMO.

201085 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Ed Phillips, 1, #837 of 1876 🔗

Word salad!

201089 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ed Phillips, 1, #838 of 1876 🔗

Check out the Faroe Islands. They test more people per head than anyone else in the world.

Zero Covid is an election strapline.

201098 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #839 of 1876 🔗

With a population of 50,000 (therabouts) that’s do-able

201061 Stuart, 2, #840 of 1876 🔗

This fake-PCR test freakademic has miles to go before it croaks.

201064 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 5, #841 of 1876 🔗

Whatever happened to that “Eat out to help spread the virus and kill granny” scheme?

201406 ▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Achilles, #842 of 1876 🔗

It killed all the grannies, going by the daily death figure..
Oh wait..it was underlying health issues that killed them, not the virus or eat out to kill your granny scheme

201068 Allen, 9, #843 of 1876 🔗

The US is in free fall. This was occurring long before Covid Mania was engineered but now it is moving with great velocity.

The collapse started in 2008 and attempts to salvage this Leviathan have been failures only delaying the inevitable. Fast forward to 2019 and the crisis began to unravel again. There was a dramatic decrease in industrial production and then showed up in the banking crisis of August of 2019- the so-called Repo crisis when suddenly banks started to refuse US sovereign debt instruments as collateral of overnight loans forcing the Federal Reserve to step in and basically print money to cover this massive shortage.

So by the time the “Corona virus” appeared the economy of the United States and many other Western countries were in full blown collapse.

The “Corona virus” has proven to be very useful (showed up just in time) by political leaders to mask (metaphor and reality) what was going on. The economic destruction that it is being blamed for is absolutely extraordinary.

201074 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 2, #844 of 1876 🔗

Apologies if this has been covered already.

Will covid-19 vaccines save lives? Current trials aren’t designed to tell us
https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4037 – also covered here https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1022/1173108-covid-19-vaccine-effectiveness/

Key extracts (my emphasis):
Writing in the BMJ medical journal, associate editor Peter Doshi warned that not even the phase three trials under way in the race for a vaccine can prove their product will prevent people contracting Covid-19.

He said those hoping for a breakthrough to end the pandemic would be disappointed , with some vaccines likely to reduce the risk of Covid-19 infection by only 30%.

“None of the trials currently under way are designed to detect a reduction in any serious outcome such as hospital admissions, use of intensive care, or deaths,” he said.

“Nor are the vaccines being studied to determine whether they can interrupt transmission of the virus.”

Few if any current trials are designed to find out whether there is a benefit among the elderly , a key at-risk constituency.

Without enrolling frail and elderly volunteers in trials in sufficient numbers, Mr Doshi said “there can be little basis for assuming any benefit against hospitalisation or mortality “.

——————————————————————————————————————
SO, it looks increasingly like the promised vaccine isn’t going to be the exit from this. Therefore, are all Governments who are spinning out their COVID restrictions going to back-track and find another way out of all this? Or is it really going to be permanent?

201123 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to godowneasy, #845 of 1876 🔗

Yes the emergency approvals are being tested on the basis of less than 100 people in both vaccinated and control groups per pharma. They all have a success target of 70% showing positive relief from headaches, coughs and mild nausea. More or less the same as paracetamol and cough medicine. This will then be rushed out by governments as the panacea of all things covid, and form the basis of travel/health passports etc.
Besides the positive effects being minimal ( if they pass this ridiculously low threshold) neither pharmas, governments or us will have any knowledge of side effects, thise won’t start to being seen until the phase 3 and phase 4 tests are over, 2-5 years.

201211 ▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to peyrole, #846 of 1876 🔗

Yes I get that. But if the vaccine is so ineffective how can it be used as a health passport – or am I missing something?

201288 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to godowneasy, #847 of 1876 🔗

The “health passport” is the digital ID required for full government control of the population.

201174 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to godowneasy, 1, #848 of 1876 🔗

Sounds like they want the elderly to sign up for the trials ‘ Without enrolling frail and elderly volunteers in trials in sufficient numbers’…
No thanks!

201090 Basics, replying to Basics, 3, #849 of 1876 🔗

Serco head Rupert Soames seems a little bit rubbish at interviews. He comes across and you’re average man rattled, not a man in supreme control of all he surveys, and that is pretty much what he shoukd be.

https://twitter.com/StefSimanowitz/status/1319065914772422656?s=20

“Rupert Soames, CEO of #Serco insists itS “NHS test-&-trace”

In reality, its executive committee has just 1 public health expert & it is run by 2 private companies

Serco is one of them & this week its shares surged by 18%

Soames suggests mentioning this makes you an anti-vaxxer”

The link includes an angry little clip of an angry little man. Warning: Peston in view.

201150 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Basics, 3, #850 of 1876 🔗

I’ve met a few CEOs in my time.

Mostly they are idiots, have no higher thinking capability and are in the position because of there connections and who they went to university with and so on.

Someone else actually runs the company. Once I got down a step to 2 the negotiations went well as they actually knew things.

Saw that Serco idiots interview, he’s only angry as he’s been found out how shit his company really is (and so is he) at actually running anything.

Quote about Shell from a while back – “it’s not Shell’s fault they make money” which sums it up really.

201099 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 10, #851 of 1876 🔗

My Scottish blood kicked in today even though I’ve stay out of the place for 25 years except for when I had to for work and been ostracised by that side of the family who are druggies and professional unemployed and sent an e-mail to the political editor of the Scotsman newspaper Scott MacNab.

I sent him the questions that local councils and the NI Assembly say they have no evidence as an answer plus the BMA quote on masks and the idiocy of the way PCR tests are being used and ended with this:

So it will be very interesting, if you decide to ask any of these questions and actually be an independent journalist and not a propaganda spouting mouthpiece, exactly what their science is to justify their actions in further imprisonment of the population and the on-going destruction of the Scottish economy.”

I know Rabbie Burns is a crap poet (the few years I had in Scotland they tried to get me to memorise the timid cowering beastie poem) and Braveheart was a crock of shit but someone has to try and help Biker to free the country or at least the Kingdom of Fife.

Where is he by the way? Not seen any rants from him today.

201161 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Awkward Git, #852 of 1876 🔗

‘timid cowering beastie’

Burns foresaw the swervers, mask-wearers and curtain-twitchers,

but also that the plan will go awry.

“But, Mousie, thou art no thy-lane,
In proving foresight may be vain;
The best-laid schemes o’ mice an’ men
Gang aft agley,”

201553 ▶▶ annie, replying to Awkward Git, #853 of 1876 🔗

Wee sleekit, cowerin’, timorous zombie…

201102 T. Prince, replying to T. Prince, 6, #854 of 1876 🔗

“Nicola Sturgeon’s public health adviser, Jason Leitch, warned that Scottish people to get their ‘digital Christmas ready’.”

Ho,ho feckin ho

201393 ▶▶ GorbalsGirl, replying to T. Prince, 4, #855 of 1876 🔗

I seen that earlier. How does some unelected mandarin get to tell enfranchised Scottish adults what we are ‘allowed’ to do at Christmas with our families?? Lol!! Someone is overplaying their hand and the mob will get angry when they realise who is to blame!

On the contrary, I think we should all look forward to a jolly day of festive fun where we can truly come together as a nation again – by donning our blue face paint and tartan Santa hats, and then proceeding to George Square on Christmas Day morn to burn Krankie and her wokescrotes in a giant Wickerman – sorry, yulelog – to cheer wirselves all up! It seems like a good way to rid Scotland of the devil’s curse, or whatever the technical medical name for it is these days. Medieval science will have medieval solutions.

The old ways are the best ways 🙂

201551 ▶▶ annie, replying to T. Prince, #856 of 1876 🔗

And digital Hogmanay?

201114 Fed up, replying to Fed up, 18, #857 of 1876 🔗

Picked up my daughter from school. Very upset as 2 boys had called her a granny killer -she is exempt from mask wearing. I seem to recall that harassment by the public has been endorsed as a policing strategy for the Covid restrictions. And this is the strategy in action. Old school bullying.

201131 ▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Fed up, 8, #858 of 1876 🔗

Get her to point them out to you tomorrow and give them both barrels, and there parents and her teachers for not keeping her safe.

Bully’s need to be afraid.

201141 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Fed up, 2, #859 of 1876 🔗

If you live in Central News area tell this woman:

liz.hannam@itv.com

They might even do a story on the harassment us unmuzzled face daily.

201149 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Fed up, 9, #860 of 1876 🔗

Well if is any help to her tell her this old Grandad also does not wear a mask and thinks that it is mask wearing and lockdowns that are killing Granny and Grandad. They are killing off the free world which we spent our lives cherishing and believing to be the birthright and joy of living in the UK. This used to be a land of proper science, imagination and inspiration and if those principles were applied school children would not have to wear snotty disease ridden rags on their faces and whole swathes of the country would not need to be locked down. Before they were locked down in tier 2 we used to go and stay with our twin 18 month old Grandsons in London, before we went both ourselves and they took care checked out health and all went fine, Granny and Grandad were not killed. If we felt we were particularly vulnerable we would take extra care which is what this country should do, use skill, innovation and imagination to protect the vulnerable and let the rest go free.
It is a respiratory disease with a penchant for melodrama but it is not the end of the world.
From Granny and Grandad – still living and doing fine.

201547 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Steve Martindale, #861 of 1876 🔗

Why don’t they ever ASK granny?

201152 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Fed up, 6, #862 of 1876 🔗

Want a few of us to come round and back you up when you give the school and the idiot parents shit?

201218 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Fed up, 1, #863 of 1876 🔗

More chance the masked kids spread more disease than your daughter

201259 ▶▶ Will, replying to Fed up, #864 of 1876 🔗

Official complaint time including letter to the MP. If you know a friendly solicitor fire off a legal letter as well. Even if your MP is a CU next Tuesday, once you have written to them they are legally bound to respond. I would go absolutely ballistic if that happened to my child.

201305 ▶▶▶ Telpin, replying to Will, #865 of 1876 🔗

Agree on a letter to the MP – this persecution is happening in his constituency and as a direct result of politicians making it acceptable to demonise non mask wearers. Why allow exemptions if you’re not going to defend those who use this protection. And when are our MOs going to have the courage to admit this mandate has no basis in good science. All in all a disgrace. And add to others my 80 year old mum absolutely hates masks – to the pint that it stops her venturing out – it’s the resultant loneliness that’s killing her. She would be the first to beat those boys with her walking stick!

201265 ▶▶ Will, replying to Fed up, #866 of 1876 🔗

I would email Toby as well, he might be able to put you in contact with helpful people.

201292 ▶▶ Telpin, replying to Fed up, 1, #867 of 1876 🔗

Despicable but think where she’ll be in 10 years compared with these brainless gits. Really, the school should be setting an example by explaining that discriminating against those exempt from wearing masks is crass bullying – plain and simple. Rather than name call they should be encouraged to research the guidance.

201472 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Fed up, #868 of 1876 🔗

Endorsed by the foul bitch Cressida Dick, the beloved of Brazilians everywhere.

201115 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 11, #869 of 1876 🔗

Oi, Co op! How about you educate your ‘colleagues’ by showing them the clear, simple government guidance that applies to us ‘all together’?
Then fuck off a bit.
https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1319284242040254469

201124 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Sam Vimes, 7, #870 of 1876 🔗

Yes, bloody Co-op. I despite these hectoring notices all over the place: “No mask, No service”. Okay, “No service, no business”. That one from the Co-op is particularly egregious. Boycott them and brief against them on social media.

201155 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Sam Vimes, 4, #871 of 1876 🔗

Looking at the replies, that hasn’t gone down well.

201169 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #872 of 1876 🔗
201324 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Carrie, 3, #873 of 1876 🔗

Sign

201230 ▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to Sam Vimes, 5, #874 of 1876 🔗

In my village Co-op, only about half the staff wear masks and I haven’t been challenged yet.

201670 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to Sam Vimes, #875 of 1876 🔗

They do owe the government a lot for letting their coke sniffing ervy Chairman off for all the Co-Op banks misdeeds. I dont shop at the Co-op if i can help it they are way to expensive compared to local supermarkets butt when I have too they never bother me aboutht his shit. The main problem aat the co-op re Covid is of their own maikng their are never enough staff on the chekc out so there are always loads of unhealthy wheezing drug addicts and cigarette smokers on walking sticks in the queue, I went today for milk the queue was a mile long so I went to mr singhs news and booze and got what i needed in 10 seconds

201116 propref, 1, #876 of 1876 🔗

Just thinking of a name for pro-lockdown politicians if Bedwetter is off the menu. What about Cnuts – in reference to King Cnut and his efforts at tide turning?

201118 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 14, #877 of 1876 🔗

currently listening to the PM briefing taking questions from the public. I’d love to see how Boris would react if they announced “we have question from Toby in Acton”

201125 ▶▶ Kev, replying to crimsonpirate, 4, #878 of 1876 🔗

Or from many of us on here. God, I’d love just 5 minutes on live TV with Boris and/or Cock, or the gruesome twosome Unbalanced and Witless. So many questions

201128 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Kev, 5, #879 of 1876 🔗

I’d just give them a basic maths fractions, percentages and probability test live. See how they get on.

201139 ▶▶▶▶ Kev, replying to Achilles, 6, #880 of 1876 🔗

We know Hancock has no idea what false positives mean. He should get Diane Abbott to explain it to him! I’d pay good money to see that!

201129 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Kev, 1, #881 of 1876 🔗

At times I think a boxing ring would be a preferred venue for a meeting with Boris, Cockup and the Undynamic Duo.

My fists have a few searching questions to ask.

201134 ▶▶ calchas, replying to crimsonpirate, 3, #882 of 1876 🔗

Ivor in Ireland:

“Why are you doing this”?

201377 ▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to calchas, 1, #883 of 1876 🔗

Sunetra from Oxford has a follow up

201186 ▶▶ chaos, replying to crimsonpirate, 3, #884 of 1876 🔗

Does he realise he is now hated more than May?

201187 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to crimsonpirate, 8, #885 of 1876 🔗

Caught 30 seconds by a accident -boris waffling and did not string 2 words together before I could turn it over.

Now watching The Professionals and having beer – I wish I had my old 2.8 GL mark 2 Granada still. Brilliant car.

201197 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #886 of 1876 🔗

From a bunch of amateurs to a bunch of professionals, well done! Sweeney on next?

201269 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to stefarm, 1, #887 of 1876 🔗

Yep – Sky channel 120.

Another Mark 2 Granada dose.

201282 ▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #888 of 1876 🔗

Wonderful.

Minder still on? I avoid tv nowadays – the good ones with Dennis waterman, although TBF he can’t act his way out of a paper bag.

201311 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to stefarm, 1, #889 of 1876 🔗

That’s on in the afternoon’s I think.

Forces TV has some really old stuff on – no wonder they all go to the NAAFI to get drunk.

Weekend sit’s CHiPs, weekdays is Randall and Hopkirk Deceased.

201824 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Awkward Git, #890 of 1876 🔗

Talking Pictures channel on freeview 81 has loads of old b and w films, some war films with good old dunkirk spirit! Also the old Robin Hood, William Tell and even Catweazle. series Nostalgias not what it used to be.

201437 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #891 of 1876 🔗

my old man had a Granada Mk 1 Ghia Coupe and then a Mk2 ghia . Just when i started driving – cracking car to borrow when you’re 17 !!!!!

201135 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 7, #892 of 1876 🔗

Anybody here from Warrington? Uncle Matt is lining up a present for you.
https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1319275124428656641

Not long until “We’re all in this together”.

201172 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #893 of 1876 🔗

See my comment above re cancer of the arsehole

201226 ▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #894 of 1876 🔗

Good comments.

201144 calchas, replying to calchas, 1, #895 of 1876 🔗

The Asch conformity experiment.

Our mission is to puncture unanimity. Video- 4 minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYIh4MkcfJA

201160 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to calchas, #896 of 1876 🔗

Interesting!

201182 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Carrie, #897 of 1876 🔗

Yes, the post-war decades were full of this kind of research – usually sponsored by the military-intelligence organizations or marketing/advertsing departments of major corporates.

201666 ▶▶ earthkiss, replying to calchas, #898 of 1876 🔗

3:04 “When that unanimity is punctured, the group’s power is greatly reduced.”

201148 Basics, replying to Basics, 18, #899 of 1876 🔗

Clip of Mary Fowler, 104.

https://twitter.com/TheSun/status/1319274809767956480?s=20

“104-year-old care home resident begs to see her family again
Mary Fowler, a resident at a care home in Glenrothes, Fife, is pleading to be allowed to see her family again, with the 104-year-old saying the lack of contact is “cutting me to bits”.”

She also adds it is her right. Which it is.

201158 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Basics, 15, #900 of 1876 🔗

I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again I truly hope there is a reckoning and all those complicit in this conspiracy get cancer of the arsehole

201201 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to stefarm, 1, #901 of 1876 🔗

I agree, we must work through the current opression and continue on to see to it this cannot happen again.

Our older generation have long been silenced from public life – see bbc average presenter age etc*. It is a priviledge to have the opinions from other generations, I hope we hear more – they are most welcome and needed.

*come to that -also see Dayna McAlpine, 27, food and drink critic oddly writing all manner of establishment line covid19 reports for Edinburghlive. Writing with no perception of the oppressions – just glad to have a job and stability after a year of bitty employment.

201367 ▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to stefarm, 1, #902 of 1876 🔗

Oral cancer for arse-mouthed Wanksock

201540 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to stefarm, #903 of 1876 🔗

They ARE arseholes, so the cancer will be pretty pervasive.

201164 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Basics, 5, #904 of 1876 🔗

I wonder if some lawyer could take whoever’s is responsible to court for a breach of human rights. Prisoners can do that, why not imprisoned elderly?

201296 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to thinkaboutit, 5, #905 of 1876 🔗

‘Human rights’ lawyers appear like flies round jam whenever the government tries to deport some murderer or terrorist, why hasn’t one of them started a mass civil action against HMG over lockdown in care homes?

201193 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Basics, 1, #906 of 1876 🔗

fuck her let her die on her own if it keeps me safe

201276 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Biker, 12, #907 of 1876 🔗

i was trying out being a lockdown zealot here but it’s not very nice, think i’ll go see if i can break her out and take her for a fish tea

201320 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Biker, 1, #908 of 1876 🔗

Don’t forget the spare lid for her.

201151 Paul, replying to Paul, 8, #909 of 1876 🔗

I’ve just had very frustrating hour trying to get sense out of Sky tv’s call centre.I had an engineer visit today to change a satellite dish,he wouldn’t do it because it is on the chimney stack,of a bungalow !,’too high up,special team needed’.ffs!,I told him well bloody Sky put it there in the first place,without a ‘special team’.
Anyway,sorry,to get to my point !,the utter covid bollocks I have had to listen to and verbally agree to has really pissed me off.
Before the engineers will enter our house we must;

Clean the area,open all doors and windows,remove household items ( wtf does that mean ? ),remove pets and remain in a different room until they leave.The engineers will clean all areas they have worked in.
If these conditions cannot be met your work will not be undertaken.

Well I don’t bloody well think so,it is our house and your engineers are guests so who the bloody hell do you think you are telling us what to do.

I know a lot of companies say things like this but when their staff are at your house they act normally,Sky are different a lot of the engineers do stick to the ‘rules’.

201157 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Paul, 11, #910 of 1876 🔗

Totally Mental. Cancel your sky sub, there is nothing on it that isn’t evil toxic crap anyway.

201168 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Two-Six, 6, #911 of 1876 🔗

Exactly. Like you say, they are guests in your home. And how the hell are they going to check that you’ve cleaned it – do a swab test in full CSI gear?

Half expecting a similar instruction from my estate agents who are now insisting that if I am present at a viewing, I will have to muzzle up (er … FRO).

201181 ▶▶▶▶ Kev, replying to kh1485, 3, #912 of 1876 🔗

Change Estate Agents and explain why, or insist they only walk backwards in your presence.

201497 ▶▶▶▶ Paul, replying to kh1485, #913 of 1876 🔗

We had a plumber in a few weeks ago,he turned up muzzled and I said he didn’t have to wear it on our behalf but he said ‘you can’t be too careful’.After a few minutes next to the hot water tank he asked if it was alright if he took it off !.He came back the next day and kept it on all of the time,so I thought please yourself,I couldn’t make out most of what he said though.

201279 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Two-Six, #914 of 1876 🔗

I really don’t understand why anyone pays for BBC, Sky etc.

201371 ▶▶▶▶ Paul, replying to Cranmer, #915 of 1876 🔗

Seeing out the end of my contract,might aswell get the best picture fro a little while longer !.

201162 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Paul, 8, #916 of 1876 🔗

Too high on a bungalow!!, does he only do Wendy houses??

201369 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to stefarm, 1, #917 of 1876 🔗

Yes,too high he said.They are now going to send a three man special access team in two weeks,I assume one to hold the ladder,one back-up ladder holder and one to do the job.

201399 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Paul, 1, #918 of 1876 🔗

Crazoo, who’s going to change the lightbulb?

201166 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Paul, #919 of 1876 🔗

Are they saying you should go to a different room and leave the workmen alone?

201359 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to chaos, #920 of 1876 🔗

Yes,apparently apart from letting them in and our I’m not supposed to have contact !.

201480 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Paul, 1, #921 of 1876 🔗

Whose sodding house is it?

201171 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Paul, 6, #922 of 1876 🔗

I had Sky come one day, their ladder wasn’t long enough to reach the dish.

I have a nice aluminium ladder, long enough, still almost new, told him he could use it.

He said he would love to but could not as it was not an approved Sky ladder – he explains that one of the other fitters did this and was promptly sacked from Sky (or as they are self-employed banned from doing any work for them) as he broke HSE rules.

As I know the working at height legislation etc etc told him this was crap and he agreed but as it is written into the contract that Sky approved ladders only to be used his hands were tied.

Idiocy with companies blaming HSE when it is nothing to do with that.

201491 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to Awkward Git, #923 of 1876 🔗

He did say he would give me the dish and I could swap them over,I said that I’ve got no problem going on the roof,I’ve done often enough to do repairs but i wasn’t going to do his job for him.

201179 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Paul, 1, #924 of 1876 🔗

Removing ornaments and pets is quite sensible even in non Covid times. You don’t want Fluffy climbing their ladder or Fartybum chewing their toolbox ( our resident Fartybum always tries that). Other than that, it’s nonsense.

201190 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Paul, 3, #925 of 1876 🔗

We had BT come to remove old telephone lines from our house. Refused to go on the scaffolding that had been professionally erected for other building work because he ‘had not been trained to walk on scaffolding boards with safety rails around it’. In the end, Mr TT went up to cut them down himself and the engineer then kindly agreed to take down at the pole they were attached to in the street, using a free-standing ladder to access!

201209 ▶▶▶ LGDTLK, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #926 of 1876 🔗

Yep. Had this with BT during an aborted attempt to switch to their broadband 7 years ago. The OpenReach subbie firm they sent refused to do the necessary cabling as it entailed walking on the flat roof extension to our living room – they were not “flat roof trained”. We had 3 subsequent visits – each one ending the same way. In the end we cancelled and stayed with Virgin.

201192 ▶▶ LGDTLK, replying to Paul, 4, #927 of 1876 🔗

We had this in the summer – SkyQ box and new dish. Engineer said he couldn’t place his ladders safely – despite the fact previous dish was fitted by Sky in 1997! H&S regs on “working at height” have taken the precautionary principle so far that even the most basic tasks now have to be signed off. After a stand-off with him lasting 30 minutes and several phone calls he was approved to do it. I basically ignored all the other Covid shite – as it was one of the hottest days of the year we were out in the garden the whole time and every window in the house was open anyway. But I did make a point of telling him the his face nappy was going to cause him long term health problems and he seemed happy to follow my advice to remove it.

201233 ▶▶ JulieR, replying to Paul, #928 of 1876 🔗

I bet engineers will not care about it.

201255 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Paul, 3, #929 of 1876 🔗

I had commercial window cleaners who refused to clean the tall terrace doors by hand as they would have had to use a ladder. Changed window cleaner to a bloke and his brother immediately. It was a building on the High street, so we just went out one morning and talked to the guys doing High street windows.
Excellent result.

201283 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Paul, 2, #930 of 1876 🔗

H&S paranoia and Wuhan lab flu paranoia have a lot in common.

201165 Basics, replying to Basics, 9, #931 of 1876 🔗

Hundreds set to attend protest over Edinburgh University’s ‘mistreatment of students’ this weekend
Over 260 people are set to attend the demonstration in Bristo Square after students feel they have been ‘misled’.

Source is the usual LR EL.

201390 ▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Basics, 2, #932 of 1876 🔗

Fuck the students, what about the mistreatment of the population?

Oh wait…they vast majority of the population have swallowed the government’s lies & fear mongering.

201167 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 13, #933 of 1876 🔗

I live in that beautiful Yorkshire valley known as ‘Windy Wharfedale’. Out and about today I had reason to cross the bridge spanning the river. Boy was it windy. The wind got me thinking. When you consider all the ridiculous rules and mandates that the government have put in place, then retracted and then re introduced to the extent whereby most people are beginning to say ‘sod it’, I’m surprised that wind speed has never been taken into account.

On the basis that the ‘virus’ is airborne, flowing freely and at random infecting all and sundry, I would have thought that wind speed would be a factor. After all, if I am walking two meters behind someone with no wind how does two meters work out with a thirty mile an hour following wind? And believe me that’s not unusual for where I live. When it’s windy I would have thought that this cunning little virus would think all its birthdays had come at once as its spread would be enabled even more with no extra effort from the little blighter himself!

I propose that the government introduce an early warning system based on an audible siren triggered to go of at say fifteen miles an hour. This would give us all time to seek shelter and to stay at home until we an an audible ‘all clear’. Now where have we had a system like that before I ask myself?

But that’s sheer stupidity I here you say. In reply I would answer: is it any more ridiculous than the six person rule, the three tier system, the masks which are harmful to the wearers, bubbles, closing times at ten o’clock, retracting health care for those in desperate need, shops with screens, visors and access limits, and my personal favourite, the edict that you have to wear a mask to your table, where you can take it off, only to put it back on when you leave or visit the toilet.

If the ‘virus’ is airborne and air moves at different speeds, surely it would be only sensible to take this into account. After the last eight months of living through this unbelievable time in our history nothing comes as a surprise to me any more. Stand by for a Neil Ferguson warning about ‘high wind infection’ and don’t forget you read it here first.

201194 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Harry hopkins, 3, #934 of 1876 🔗

Don’t give them ideas.

201210 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Harry hopkins, 4, #935 of 1876 🔗

If I hear that siren it will be on your shoulders! I beg you to remove this post ASAP!!!!
Please please do not give them ideas! No it’s not any more ridiculous! I have loved everyone of your posts but this idea of yours scares me!!! Boris will love the idea of air raid sirens!

201275 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Steeve, 5, #936 of 1876 🔗

Sirens will sound whenever a positive case is identified in your area. When you hear the siren, you and your family must take cover in a covid-safe environment, and must not come out until a police constable or approved Covid Warden has directed you.

201281 ▶▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Cranmer, 1, #937 of 1876 🔗

Is that return home or the nearest certified safe area?
Oh- nearest Covid Safe environment! ‘The new stay safe and eat scheme!’

201250 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Harry hopkins, 2, #938 of 1876 🔗

This is a good idea but there is a need to allow for gusting. Suggestion is that all citizens will be issued with a hand held wind meter. This could then be linked to the test and trap app to allow more granular detection of infectious beings.

201258 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to godowneasy, 3, #939 of 1876 🔗

Or we could all war Deely-Boppers on our heads outside. When they start bouncing around too much, we go indoors.

201260 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to godowneasy, 1, #940 of 1876 🔗

This idea is developing fast! Would this not be worn on your head?

201465 ▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to godowneasy, 1, #941 of 1876 🔗

Farts will be illegal, obvs.

201486 ▶▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to charleyfarley, 1, #942 of 1876 🔗

Does this mean that all legumes, sprouts, broccoli, cabbage etc. will be banned from shops and restaurants?

201478 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to godowneasy, #943 of 1876 🔗

Gusting can be countered by disgusting. Zombies are good at that.

201268 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Harry hopkins, 2, #944 of 1876 🔗

Get your Gucci hazmat suit, for those blustery autumn walks. Available from all designer outlets now

201287 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #945 of 1876 🔗

Harry from the responses there is good money to be made!

201329 ▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Steeve, 2, #946 of 1876 🔗

Steeve….Crikey! this idea really is gaining traction. Wondering now if it was a good idea to post this—-with this lot of shysters in power nothing is beyond them!

201476 ▶▶ annie, replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #947 of 1876 🔗

Ferguson IS a high wind infection.

201173 Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 13, #948 of 1876 🔗

Dear Sir Patrick Vallance

Regarding your chart ‘Time series of estimated R range for UK’ that you are rather fond of presenting, could you please answer the following:

Why does the X axis start at the rather unusual date of 17 April?
Why, if the R value was below 1 between 17 April and 21 August, did the initial national lockdown not end after three weeks, as was the original plan?

Yours, a Great Barrington supporter

201180 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 5, #949 of 1876 🔗

Because of this:

CMO Chris Whitty on the 21st July 2020:

“If you look at the R, and the behaviours, quite a lot of the change that led to the R going below one occurred well before, or to some extent before, the 23rd (March), when the full lockdown started.”

201200 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #950 of 1876 🔗

You surely are not suggesting that the chart has been manipulated deliberately to portray a particular narrative?

201266 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #951 of 1876 🔗

Who me? Be that cynical and jaded?

As if?

Would they do that?

Heaven forbid.

201222 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 4, #952 of 1876 🔗

I think it is a case that they have all got their heads well and truly stuck up their R’s rate. The R rate seems about as scientific as the Philosopher’s stone and depends to a significant extent on the input of opinion. Now that it seems that this disease spreads by ‘superspreaders you wonder if the R rate really counts for very much? It seems that for every 10 people who get this virus 9 hardly spread it at all while 1 spreads it to a huge extent and so it is down to whether that 1 super-spreader gets the opportunity to do that amount of infecting?

201273 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #953 of 1876 🔗

I posted on the previous update on the similarity between the R number and the Drake Equation

Criticism related to the Drake equation focuses not on the equation itself, but on the fact that the estimated values for several of its factors are highly conjectural, the combined multiplicative effect being that the uncertainty associated with any derived value is so large that the equation cannot be used to draw firm conclusions.

201327 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Adam, 2, #955 of 1876 🔗

What’s the point, the opposition is at least as bad. SDP is the only anti-lockdown party and they are currently too small to be heard.

201337 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to TheBluePill, 1, #956 of 1876 🔗

…the opposition is at least as bad.

Agreed! Summed up beautifully here:

https://twitter.com/bobscartoons/status/1317525396393545730

201176 JoeBlogg, replying to JoeBlogg, 28, #957 of 1876 🔗

Lockdown
Firebreak
Circuitbreakers
Superspreaders
Long Covid
Contagious
Asymptomatic
Isolation
Compliance
Infectious
Face masks
Cases Cases Cases….

So sick of these utter bollocks words!

201189 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to JoeBlogg, 9, #958 of 1876 🔗

You forgot bubble(s)

201221 ▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to JoeBlogg, 2, #959 of 1876 🔗

You also forgot Boris, Wankcock & El Presidente Sturgeon.

201251 ▶▶ Adam, replying to JoeBlogg, 4, #960 of 1876 🔗

Covidiot is another irritation of mine a insult to those who can think for themselves it was dreamt up the compliant Lame stream media

201271 ▶▶ Al T, replying to JoeBlogg, 14, #961 of 1876 🔗

……Social DISTANCING, The New Normal , Our amazing NHS, Hands, face, space….

Sick of it all.

Until this year, I thought ‘Pay and Display’ , ‘For your comfort and safety ‘ and ‘Rail Replacement Bus Service ‘ the most depressing phrases in the language.

How wrong was I!

201272 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to JoeBlogg, 6, #962 of 1876 🔗

New normal

201316 ▶▶▶ JoeBlogg, replying to Tenchy, 3, #963 of 1876 🔗

Yes this and social distance, guidance and advice given on stupid conjured up oxymorons

201834 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Tenchy, 1, #964 of 1876 🔗

Reset

201294 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to JoeBlogg, 5, #965 of 1876 🔗

“Stay safe”
Exponential
“Our” NHS

201309 ▶▶ Helen, replying to JoeBlogg, 2, #966 of 1876 🔗

sorry Joe, not enough cases

201381 ▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to JoeBlogg, 4, #967 of 1876 🔗

& Furlough.
Had never heard of that until this bollocks started.

201584 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to AnotherSceptic, 1, #968 of 1876 🔗

American word

201474 ▶▶ annie, replying to JoeBlogg, 4, #969 of 1876 🔗

‘Stay safe.’
I reach for my gun.

201501 ▶▶ langers, replying to JoeBlogg, 2, #970 of 1876 🔗

Unprecedented. You forgot unprecedented! Everything is fucking unprecedented!

201833 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to JoeBlogg, 2, #971 of 1876 🔗

Social Distancing’ is surely one of the most contradictory exasperating, erm slogans ever manufactured by cynical fuckers.

201184 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 39, #972 of 1876 🔗

Defenceless women are beaten to the ground with long batons, then beaten again as they lie on the floor
Child victims of cancer are told to fuck off and die
Mass detention without trial
The economy trashed
People who have contact with their children and grandchildren face arrest
People sacked en masse with no means of support
Students fined 10k each for having a party
Phycological war and perverted science are deployed against the population
A ban on the freedom of movement
Suicides
The elderly are imprisoned, tortured and left to die
Bankruptcy
Homelessness and poverty
Nurses who should be caring for the sick spend the day dancing
All forms of enjoyment made illegal
Systematic child abuse
Democracy abolished

Then they call us selfish

201205 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to Cecil B, -2, #973 of 1876 🔗

North Korea is a bad bad place.

201262 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Eddy, 5, #974 of 1876 🔗

Thought that was in Victoria, Australia?

Or my geography failing me?

201470 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Eddy, 1, #975 of 1876 🔗

So I used to think before …

201188 chaos, replying to chaos, 6, #976 of 1876 🔗
201207 ▶▶ Quernus, replying to chaos, 1, #977 of 1876 🔗

Listening to now – it’s excellent.

201195 calchas, 9, #978 of 1876 🔗

Effects of social isolation

https://www.sciencealert.com/isolation-has-profound-effects-on-the-human-body-and-brain-here-s-what-happens

Snippet:

“People who are lonely are also more susceptible to illness . Researchers found that a lonely person’s immune system responds differently to fighting viruses , making them more likely to develop an illness.”

201202 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to chaos, 5, #980 of 1876 🔗

National lockdown postcode by postcode.

201236 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to thinkaboutit, 2, #981 of 1876 🔗

A two week affair has crept into indefinite. In Rugby is the tevhnique called a Ruck or a Maul? Swamp confusion around the ball but keep it moving forward all the while.

I notice less use of the word incompetence than a month ago.

201246 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Basics, #982 of 1876 🔗

The gather all word, in rugby, for tackle/ ruck/ maul is the breakdown which sort of seems apposite…

201310 ▶▶▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to Will, 1, #983 of 1876 🔗

Ruck- A pile on of bodies but where the ball is grounded.
Maul- A pile on of bodies but where the ball is held by a player moving forward(allowing for judderijg as the backs are sucked under the feet of the mighty forwards.
Scrum- an Organised pile on of bodies where the ball is fed into the mouth by the ….
Anyways, just remember the rugby is played by men with funny shaped balls 😇

201511 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Chris John, #984 of 1876 🔗

I therefore intended maul. Thanks for clarity!

201355 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Basics, #985 of 1876 🔗

Yes – this degree of uncorrected ‘incompetence’ stretches credulity beyond the possible.

201379 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 3, #986 of 1876 🔗

It was never really incompetence, it was cowardice. They knew what the right thing to do was, but chickened out because it would have entailed having to defend their position and some degree of risk if too many people died

201215 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to chaos, 10, #987 of 1876 🔗

It was always the aim to lock down the whole country – they are only doing it by region (so supposedly more ‘proportional’ to the level of ‘threat’) to try and strengthen their case when Simon Dolan meets them in court…

201217 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Carrie, #988 of 1876 🔗

That makes sense. How are things in Sweden, btw? Did they increase gatherings to 500 on the 16th after all?

201331 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Will, 1, #989 of 1876 🔗

It is increasing to 300 on the 1st November, for stuff with an audience or people seated where 1 metre distancing between groups is possible, but place like nightclubs will still be limited

But from what I understand there are no limits on private gatherings

Also they have removed their “guidance” to over-70s and the vulnerable and now give them the same advice as everyone else

201227 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Carrie, #990 of 1876 🔗

Or with a view to having a death sentence commuted

201263 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Carrie, 4, #991 of 1876 🔗

Regional lockdowns also serve to deflect responsibility from central government to regional nonentities who can later be thrown to the wolves. They also make it harder for national civil disobedience movements to emerge, because nobody is quite sure what is going on in other parts of the country. (Divide and conquer).

201264 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Carrie, 5, #992 of 1876 🔗

Doing it bit by bit means not having Parliament debate a national lockdown, like they told the Tory rebels would happen. It’s not a national lockdown; it’s just the whole country shutdown but on a regional basis.

201315 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Ceriain, 1, #993 of 1876 🔗

There was a cartoon predicting this (Bob Moran?) some while ago

201334 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Julian, #994 of 1876 🔗

I believe he did, J. His cartoons are fantastic! This killed me:

https://twitter.com/bobscartoons/status/1317525396393545730

201467 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Ceriain, #995 of 1876 🔗

Jesting about grave matters… fantastic!

201219 chaos, replying to chaos, 11, #996 of 1876 🔗

My anxiety is so bad I am shaking. I’m using venlafaxine together with acetyl carnitine, inositol and glycine etc. But I am really struggling. With no end date in sight to this madness…

201237 ▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to chaos, 11, #997 of 1876 🔗

These are very hard times. Can you get out to see the autumn colours? I found that good for my mental health last weekend.Evil surrounds us but nature endures and is still beautiful.

201463 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 1, #998 of 1876 🔗

That’s good advice. Also: walk a dog, ride a horse, watch a bird, hug a cat … feed a hedgehog…? Animals have more sense than zombies these days.

201475 ▶▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to annie, 1, #999 of 1876 🔗

I should have added “Hug a cat” i’m doing that now.

201243 ▶▶ Crazy Times, replying to chaos, 11, #1000 of 1876 🔗

I know it’s hard, but chin up and think of the old Yorkshire lady who’s calling it as it is. If all was lost, their non stop propaganda wouldn’t be necessary.

201300 ▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to Crazy Times, 4, #1001 of 1876 🔗

Marvellous Maureen

201336 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Crazy Times, 1, #1002 of 1876 🔗

Now that’s something to hold on to – what a good point! And to CheshireCatSlave, we’ve just been out in the lovely High Peak, enjoying the stunning autumnal colours. We agree, it does help.

Also, it almost makes up for the near-100% slavish obedience to and compliance with muzzle-wearing in Morrisons. A few were taking the piss (muzzle round chin, barely-there scarf etc.) and there was a fellow bare-face in the toilets at the same time as me and another one leaving the store (lanyard) when we arrived.

And the genius virus is still at it: ‘Several teenage girls were wrapped round each other in the cafe, staring at each other’s phones and, of course, not a muzzle between them. MW

201481 ▶▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, #1003 of 1876 🔗

The Peak District is beautiful, some of my family came from there. I do my shopping online. Have done for years as I’m disabled but now it sounds a nightmare.

201249 ▶▶ leggy, replying to chaos, 3, #1004 of 1876 🔗

Try some CBD? It’s supposed to be good for anxiety.

201254 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to chaos, 3, #1005 of 1876 🔗

We can all do little bits here and there to speed the end of this madness, even if it’s just making a few apposite comments on social media or writing to our MPs. If you go to pieces, you can’t do that kind of thing. It’s important to take a break from the lunacy though, so make sure you switch off your computer and spend some time doing other things.

201270 ▶▶ janeinthemindfield, replying to chaos, 2, #1006 of 1876 🔗

Valium works. Probably the best thing for acute anxiety. If you can persuade GP that you wont get addicted. Massage is also really good I find.

Anxiety is quite an understandable response to a very extreme political situation. I am also not sleeping with the fear.

Talking to pro lockdown friends is also an antidote I find, as they seem to believe it will all go back to normal and I can convince myself I’m paranoid for a while!!

201298 ▶▶ Chris John, replying to chaos, 1, #1007 of 1876 🔗

I make and use thc tinctures and a drop under the tongue can ease the worries for me.

201317 ▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to chaos, #1008 of 1876 🔗

Just a suggestion, but EFT (Emotional Freedom Techniques) could be helpful. It’s worth a try.

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/06/11/coping-with-covid-19-related-stress.aspx

201438 ▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to chaos, #1009 of 1876 🔗

So sorry to hear this. Stay strong – we need you here and the truth will emerge eventually and freedom restored!

201223 Cecil B, 4, #1010 of 1876 🔗

Has the pig dictator been on the TV?

201241 NickR, replying to NickR, 3, #1011 of 1876 🔗

What’s the point of moving from Tier 2 to Tier 3 in Manchester if infections aren’t rising?

201322 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to NickR, 3, #1012 of 1876 🔗

Public: “Why do you want to keep doing this?”
Tories: “Money, power, control and money!”
Public: “You said ‘money’ twice!”
Tories: “We like money!”

With apologies to Blazing Saddles

201338 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1013 of 1876 🔗

Starmer : “And I’ll have a piece of that, too”

201603 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to NickR, #1014 of 1876 🔗

They do it because they can…

201244 NickR, replying to NickR, 4, #1015 of 1876 🔗

What’s the point in moving norther cities into higher levels of restrictions if positive tests aren’t going up?

201289 ▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to NickR, 1, #1016 of 1876 🔗

got to do it quick before people notice

201335 ▶▶ RickH, replying to NickR, #1017 of 1876 🔗

As for London – no rational point at all. Graphs even more absurd – merely illustrating the bollocks that comes from using PCR as a diagnostic test.

201341 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to RickH, 1, #1018 of 1876 🔗

Is there a rational point to lockdowns anywhere or did I miss something? 😉

(It’s OK, Rick, I know your views are similar to ours i.e. it’s not about a virus at all.) MW

201247 NickR, replying to NickR, 8, #1019 of 1876 🔗

What’s the point in putting London into Tier 2 if positive tests aren’t increasing?

201313 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to NickR, 4, #1020 of 1876 🔗

I’ve been hammering on about this for a few weeks now, Nick. My post from yesterday:

London should never have been moved to Tier 2

Today’s fake numbers:
Patients in hospital: 575
Patients on ventilation: 89
Deaths (last 7 days): 2, 4, 4, 2, 5, 12, 3

Population: 9.3 millions

Herd immunity for the win.

201330 ▶▶ RickH, replying to NickR, 4, #1021 of 1876 🔗

What’s the point even if they are increasing? The absurdity of the graphs speak louder than words.

… but, of course, we know the answer – this isn’t about a gone virus at all.

201252 Richard, replying to Richard, 39, #1022 of 1876 🔗

Haven’t posted for a few days as have been spending some time in London – early half term start so thought we would see the museums whilst quiet. Have spent time in the City and reported back this is my postcard from Camden !! Firstly travelling anywhere now by car / Uber / black cab is a nightmare – roads closed off and new cycle lanes everywhere – and changing every day – it’s chaos and that’s with massively reduced traffic – as it’s currently configured there is just no way even 50% of the daily traffic that was there in February could move through. Closed businesses everywhere and even those that are open must be gasping for air to survive – Hamley’s yesterday there were more staff than customers. Italian restaurant by Natural History museum – Only two families in whole place and looked like owners now doing the waiting jobs – you sense the desperation. Forlorn looking cafe owners peering out from behind counters looking for customers. I have lived and worked here since 1996 it is as if the souls of the place has been sucked out. I just can’t see how it comes back anywhere near what it was before this in any reasonable time frame. We are leaving tomorrow a couple of days early – it’s just too depressing an environment to be in. It was far from perfect before but energy and vigour of the place always carried it through – it’s like 9am on a Sunday all day every day now. Johnson and Khan between them have destroyed it.

201278 ▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Richard, 12, #1023 of 1876 🔗

All the great cities appear to be succumbing to the insanity and having the life sucked out of them by the governments of the world. We are hours away from completing a deal (fingers crossed) on the sale of our condo in downtown Toronto (at a loss). Since I was there last, the gyms and indoor dining have been shut down again. I can barely stand to be there and watch my city being destroyed. Neither can I live there with masking everywhere. Toronto has also added bike lanes and had taken car lanes on many downtown streets to allow for restaurants to expand their outdoor dining, which was a great idea. Now it’s getting too cold for outdoor dining and there’s a huge shortage of patio/outdoor heaters, which means that even restaurants that might have attempted to extend their outdoor capacity are unable to. We decided to make our escape before being unable to sell at any price. Our dream to live in the heart of the city has turned into a nightmare. I feel for all the city dwellers who are living through this economic and social devastation.

201307 ▶▶▶ ianric, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 3, #1024 of 1876 🔗

I have been in Toronto on holiday and it is sad to see what is happening to the city.

As a matter of interest were you in Toronto during the SARS outbreak in 2003. If you were did you see the same draconian restrictions and hysteria we see today.

201357 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to ianric, 5, #1025 of 1876 🔗

I was actually, and in truth I barely remember it. Sort of like when you ask older people (not that I’m young!) about the Hong Kong Flu or the Asian Flu — they remember that they read a bit about it but don’t have anything more than vague recollections of it being “out there.” The only way in which it affected my family is that my FIL was in the hospital for a short stay and my husband was not allowed to visit him there. There were ZERO restrictions on daily life, which is why I have no real recollection of having lived through a “pandemic.”

201495 ▶▶▶▶▶ ianric, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 2, #1026 of 1876 🔗

It is interesting reading about the lack of restrictions considering SARS was far more dangerous than Covid.

201434 ▶▶▶ Richard, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 4, #1027 of 1876 🔗

I think that’s a smart trade – sadly the other issues of crime etc are coming here too there are a lot more visable homeless and people begging at traffic lights. The place we are staying had parking but our car wouldn’t fit so had to find somewhere safe to leave it – some of the local car parks were just in disgusting state. It’s beyond the point now where it can be an accident.

201507 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Richard, 3, #1028 of 1876 🔗

We escaped to our country home in May and have barely been back to Toronto since, and each time I’m back for a day or two it’s worse and I can’t wait to leave. While I never envisioned living up here permanently, I now can’t imagine living anywhere else. We’ve got 60 acres and I can go days without seeing anyone in a mask, which is my new idea of heaven.

201705 ▶▶▶▶▶ Shep, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 2, #1029 of 1876 🔗

look up ‘wurzels,combine harvester’;- your 60 acres reminds me of the lyric! Best wishes, Sok, Bournemouth, England 😎

201837 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Shep, 1, #1030 of 1876 🔗

When you could have wacky, daft music, Adge Cutler, ah, the good old days.

201318 ▶▶ JulieR, replying to Richard, 2, #1031 of 1876 🔗

What really disturbing is do the politicians like Gove and Raab want London like that for their children?

201368 ▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to JulieR, 4, #1032 of 1876 🔗

If people were as unselfish as they’re claiming to be, they’d do what most parents do and make some sacrifices to ensure their children have a better future. In what universe are we asking younger generations to sacrifice for older generations? It’s anti-evolution and anti-human. From the outset, I’ve been more than willing to take the tiny risk and live like a normal human being for the sake of my children. But somehow I’m the selfish one for not wearing a mask.

201277 Fiat, replying to Fiat, 10, #1033 of 1876 🔗

My child’s school has just announced it is mandating muzzles. My child won’t care (“whatever”) but I am apoplectic.

201312 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Fiat, 7, #1034 of 1876 🔗

I would write and ask them for a written medical risk assessment behind the decision to mandate mask-wearing by children. You need also to ask who is responsible for any ill-health suffered by your child as a result of wearing a mask all day in school. MW

201339 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 4, #1035 of 1876 🔗

And include the BMA quote on masks:

“We appreciate that this is an area in which there is little high-quality empirical evidence. There is, for example, a lack of randomised control trials showing that mask wearing is effective (either indoors or outdoors).”

201477 ▶▶▶▶ Foxglove, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1036 of 1876 🔗

That is a useful quote, thanks I am just putting together my complaint to my child’s school. They have now extended their mask mandate to include all outside areas. My daughter doesn’t wear one but she doesn’t want to see all her friends muzzled up, very distressing situation.

201314 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Fiat, 7, #1037 of 1876 🔗

Now – this sort of thing does need a court case. I’m not a lawyer, but I reckon there has to be grounds from several angles of attack.

201493 ▶▶ Foxglove, replying to Fiat, 4, #1038 of 1876 🔗

I’m in the same situation, mandated everywhere now except the classroom.I will be highlighting the fact that a child, year 8, was having an asthma attack on the bus but was too scared to take her mask off and use her inhaler. I don’t know whether she was scared of catching the virus or scared of being told off. Thankfully the other children on the bus made her take her mask off and use her inhaler. The teachers don’t seem to realise that there are consequences to their relentless focus on covid as the only threat to life.

201280 calchas, 13, #1039 of 1876 🔗

We need to stop repeating the expression “The New …”

Every repetition solidifies it in an NLP kind of way.

It is the spell of our enemies – don’t use it, don’t say it, don’t think it.

201284 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 9, #1040 of 1876 🔗

Private Criminal Prosecution of MPs | Mark Devlin Talks To MOB On The Good Vibrations Podcast
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9pm3Z6nFnk&feature=youtu.be

Interesting points made in podcast:

  • Will be using common law to prosecute each and every MP for things such as genocide etc
  • Fraud decimates everything it touches
  • Asked about why we haven’t seen the Queen since the opening of parliament last year – Monarch deposed by Parliament. Parliament committed treason against Monarchy
  • Starmer was handpicked to contribute to erection of tyrannical regime. He is biding his time to take over, then use these powers to lockdown down country, i.e to reduce carbon emissions
  • Dictators do not give themselves powers and not use them – refer to these new dodgy pieces of legislation that was not properly scrutinised
  • Protests never stop anything but direct action (non violent resistance) can bring about change
201290 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Victoria, 3, #1041 of 1876 🔗

REALLY WORTH A LISTEN

201302 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Victoria, 1, #1042 of 1876 🔗

Thank you for posting this Victoria. Thanks for capatalising your recommendation 2 6. Listening now.

201308 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Victoria, 1, #1043 of 1876 🔗

Sorry – but it’s pie in the sky in terms of a practical approach.

201423 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Victoria, 1, #1044 of 1876 🔗

There is no legal recourse against the legislature, unless you can command a majority in the legislature. Then you can pass a bill of attainder naming whomever you wish, including former (or even current) MPs. Do you command a majority in Parliament? Wake me up when you do.

201430 ▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Victoria, 1, #1045 of 1876 🔗

Much as I would like TPTB to be held to account for their actions it won’t happen this way. I don’t think magistrates – whose job it is to issue the necessary summonses – will do so as I don’t think prima facie criminal acts have been shown to have been committed. Even if I am wrong about that the DPP can take over and discontinue a private prosecution and would do so here on various grounds.

201602 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Victoria, #1046 of 1876 🔗

I read somewhere online that the part of the original Brexit law made Parliament sovereign, which contained the clause that they may now use if the EU does not play ball, essentially deposed the Queen…?

201959 ▶▶ Helen, replying to Victoria, #1047 of 1876 🔗

Thanks for posting Victoria
VERY IMPORTANT
Must watch

201285 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 1, #1048 of 1876 🔗

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8868865/Coronavirus-90-000-people-catching-Covid-19-day-Sir-Patrick-Vallance-claims.html

Can we expect headlines of “New Cases less than two days ago and deaths fall for second day running”

201295 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to arfurmo, 1, #1049 of 1876 🔗

It was supposed to be over 50000 a week ago according to him.

201303 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #1050 of 1876 🔗

“He’s making it up as he goes along!” John Cleese, Life of Brian

201395 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1051 of 1876 🔗

“He’s saying the birds are scrounging.”

201333 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to arfurmo, 1, #1052 of 1876 🔗

Good. 90,000 and doubling what was ? Every 20 Minutes ?

One week 630,000 minimum. Allowing for the doubling every x amount of days and the millions who have already has this. It should be done and dusted by December. Happy Days. Cheers Patrick.

201286 ianric, 2, #1053 of 1876 🔗

In the UK the NHS has become a Covid only service and basically shut down. Does anyone know if other countries have followed the same policy.

201291 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 14, #1054 of 1876 🔗

Somebody needs to ask these fuckers: “Exactly whose lives are you saving?”

Hospital Outpatient appointments: April 2019 – August 2019: 51,773,518
Hospital Outpatient appointments: April 2020 – August 2020: 36,060,465

What about those poor bastards who may be dead because just one of those appointments was cancelled?

What exactly did we ‘protect the NHS’ from? Looks to me like it was seeing patients!

201304 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Ceriain, 6, #1055 of 1876 🔗

That’s a huge drop in numbers. As already said, the NHS is supposed to protect us, not the other way around

201323 ▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Ceriain, 6, #1056 of 1876 🔗

Like all nationalised industries it’s run for the benefit of those who work in it. Patients only screw the smooth running up.

201293 Basics, 4, #1057 of 1876 🔗

Guardian so anticipate limited hangout.

“It has been a trauma’: nurses on ‘shambolic’ 111 Covid-19 clinical service
Nurses came out of retirement to work for NHS service but say it was unsafe for the public”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/22/it-has-been-a-trauma-nurses-on-shambolic-111-covid-19-clinical-service

“Ten nurses who worked for the NHS 111 Covid-19 Clinical Assessment Service have come forward to blow the whistle on their unit’s organisation, describing it as shambolic, and lacking in adequate training and safeguards.”

[…]

“The nurses, who had retired or left the NHS after many years’ experience, were recruited to the CCAS, a new national division of NHS 111, after the health secretary, Matt Hancock, urged doctors and nurses to return and work on the response to the pandemic.

“The role required them to call patients who had been identified by the 111 service to have coronavirus symptoms, and to make clinical assessments about how ill they were and whether they needed medical attention.

“Nurses don’t have training in diagnosis and clinical decision-making, so I thought there would be a lot of training for the CCAS, but there wasn’t,” one of the nurses said. “I’m NHS through and through, but some basics of NHS organisation went by the wayside; they put people into critical roles without proper training. Once I understood the structure, I didn’t think it was safe.”

[..]

“I had no interview,” another of the nurses said. “I did the four hours training – you couldn’t actually do it in four hours, but we were only paid for four – then went on to make calls to people. They had been triaged as having Covid, but it could be anything.”

201297 Yawnyaman, replying to Yawnyaman, 1, #1058 of 1876 🔗

For those who check the figures note that from the 15 th the figure for ‘ cases’ includes those who have previously tested positive unless the earlier positive test is within the same week. This will inflate the figures by about 10 per cent on the basis of the adjustment made earlier in the year. A negative test on a person who has tested positive in the same week does not cancel the positive test.

201389 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Yawnyaman, 7, #1059 of 1876 🔗

Are we still chalking it up to incompetence???

I’d love to be a fly on the wall to see them sitting around the cauldron when they concoct this shit – Hubble bubble, eye of newt, ‘right bring out the virgin, no, not you Hancock’….

201513 ▶▶ Van Allen, replying to Yawnyaman, #1060 of 1876 🔗

How absolutely ridiculous. We know that tiny viral particles can remain in the body for weeks and cause positive tests. I know if at least one person who had 6 positive results so if the tests were weekly they would be classed as 6 cases? The desperation to chalk up extra cases just reached a new low.

201301 zacaway, replying to zacaway, 21, #1061 of 1876 🔗

I’ve got to take a break from here (and other media, and people in masks – as far as possible) for a bit, losing my sanity and not good for my OH. Ignorance is bliss, for a while.

201319 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to zacaway, 8, #1062 of 1876 🔗

Go for it and enjoy yourselves but send us a postcard on return!

201325 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to zacaway, 7, #1063 of 1876 🔗

Had a similar request from my OH last week. Wise to take a break. Get some exercise. Stay offline

201306 yohodi, replying to yohodi, 4, #1064 of 1876 🔗

Delingpole pod cast Mike Yeadon-youtube, must listen.

201345 ▶▶ 2 pence, replying to yohodi, 2, #1065 of 1876 🔗

Michael Yeadon talks sense.
He was brilliant.

201383 ▶▶▶ yohodi, replying to 2 pence, 2, #1066 of 1876 🔗

Astonishingly brilliant, and prepared to back it up!..

201527 ▶▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to yohodi, 1, #1067 of 1876 🔗

He even challenged Vallance to sue him as he called him (Vallance) a liar!

201321 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 3, #1068 of 1876 🔗

The question that is on everyone’s lips, finally answered…

“Does Vaping spread Covid?”

“It is not a good idea for anyone to be exhaling big clouds of vape or singing loudly in a crowded area and sharing their exhaled breath with other people,” she said. “Of course, we would not want to discourage people from vaping if they have successfully managed to quit smoking.”

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/oct/22/why-is-a-covid-vaccine-taking-so-long-experts-answer-your-questions

Someone once told me that they hated music. I replied with “you have no soul” (and I’m not even religious)

201346 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #1069 of 1876 🔗

Vaping shows how ridiculous the covid fear is. Vape smoke shows how far your breath goes. A long long way. Hangs about for ages. Viruses I would imagine more so.

201353 ▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1070 of 1876 🔗

I just like the way they sneakily associate singing with doing something “foul and disgusting” like smoking (via vaping)

As we all know, all smokers (and loud singers) are inconsiderate, selfish pricks.

201771 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Two-Six, #1071 of 1876 🔗

And we need to have mild infections to prep the immune system.

201350 ▶▶ DRW, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #1072 of 1876 🔗

“Taking so long?” Before all this, an ebola vaccine developed in 4 years was considered quick.

201354 ▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to DRW, #1073 of 1876 🔗

Work faster!! 🙂

201418 ▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #1074 of 1876 🔗

From home!!

201326 Al T, replying to Al T, 8, #1075 of 1876 🔗

More doom and gloom from the Grim Gauleiter of Govan.

First there was a roadmap, then a 16 day lockdown, then a 23 day lockdown, then some new tiers. Now Christmas is cancelled. Glad my late father moved us all to England in the 60’s. It’s not perfect but the face of independence is Honecker’s DDR.

How on earth Scots put up with, let alone approve of this Dour, cheerless harpy is beyond me

201450 ▶▶ annie, replying to Al T, 2, #1076 of 1876 🔗

Scots like dour, cheerless harpies and dour, cheerless warlocks. Goes back to John Knox.

201485 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Al T, 2, #1077 of 1876 🔗

It’s what happens. The sensible Scots are leaving in droves.

201683 ▶▶▶ Old Normal, replying to Lucan Grey, 2, #1078 of 1876 🔗

An independent Scotland under the SNP will be unbearable. I’m seriously looking at moving abroad. I like the idea of Zanzibar.

201342 chaos, replying to chaos, 4, #1079 of 1876 🔗

This whole corona scamdemic keeps making me think of Philip K Dick..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LDv8fm_R7g

201348 ▶▶ calchas, replying to chaos, 3, #1080 of 1876 🔗

Isaac Asimoc The Naked Sun’

“The book focuses on the unusual traditions, customs, and culture of Solarian society. The planet has a rigidly controlled population of 20,000, and all work is done by robots , which outnumber humans ten thousand to one. People are taught from birth to avoid personal contact, and live on huge estates, either alone or with their spouse only. Face-to-face interaction (referred to in the book as “seeing”), and especially impregnating a woman, when replacement of a descendent is necessary, was seen as a dirty chore. ( Other science fiction novels examine the extra-uterine care of fetuses, but this is not Asimov’s concern here.) Communication takes place through technology unknown of off their world: holography , 3-D television . At the time, 2-D (ordinary) color television was a novelty, with very limited programming and not many of the expensive receivers. Asimov was a scientist with a wide range of interests, and was familiar with the principles of electron microscopes then being developed, and from which holography descends.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Naked_Sun

201420 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to calchas, 1, #1081 of 1876 🔗

Just finished reading that (again) a couple of weeks back; now on the fourth of the series.

Solaria actually gets worse; by the end of the Foundation series, there are only 5,000 Solarians. Their aim is eventually to have only one Solarian to a planet.

201372 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to chaos, 1, #1082 of 1876 🔗

Second mention of the great man today.

201343 John P, replying to John P, 14, #1083 of 1876 🔗

Sir Desmond Swayne “on fire” again in the Commons:

https://twitter.com/DesmondSwayne/status/1319298302538645504

201351 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to John P, 4, #1084 of 1876 🔗

Excellent!

201358 ▶▶ leggy, replying to John P, 8, #1085 of 1876 🔗

Only wish there were 400 more Desmonds in the house.

201363 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to leggy, 5, #1086 of 1876 🔗

647 more…

201361 ▶▶ Julian, replying to John P, 13, #1087 of 1876 🔗

He has gone full-on sceptic – 2 mins 15 second summary of the main case for stopping the nonsense now, delivered with vigour bordering on contempt (“our actions defy rational explanation”) and eloquence. I don’t know why he doesn’t resign the whip now really – he pretty much rubbished the whole government line and accused them of deliberately distorting figures to justify their policies.

201413 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Julian, #1088 of 1876 🔗

He should. For as long as he takes the whip, he is supporting the government in fact whatever he says.

201634 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Ovis, 1, #1089 of 1876 🔗

Except maybe he’s hoping to be part of the move to oust Johnson, so maybe we’re best off with him on the inside

201385 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to John P, 2, #1090 of 1876 🔗

Thanks for the link, John. I think Sir Desmond ‘gets it’.

201391 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to John P, 2, #1091 of 1876 🔗

That’s a great summary, said with conviction 👍

201404 ▶▶ Mike, replying to John P, 3, #1092 of 1876 🔗

He’s on point! Well done than man!

201409 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to John P, 2, #1093 of 1876 🔗

Great!! But all other countries are doing the same….. that is herd stupidity. Also questions the PCR tests, etc

201426 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Victoria, #1094 of 1876 🔗

Yes – BOOM!

201349 jojo, replying to jojo, 4, #1095 of 1876 🔗

“Italy Did Everything Right to Stop a Second Wave of the Coronavirus. So What Went Wrong?

What’s particularly troubling about the return of COVID in Italy is that the country has done everything experts like Dr. Anthony Fauci have been advising. Face masks in public places have been compulsory for months, social distancing is strongly enforced, nightclubs have never reopened, and sporting arenas are at less than a third of capacity. Children who are back at school are regularly tested and strictly social-distanced, and yet, the second wave seems completely unstoppable.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/italy-did-everything-right-to-stop-a-second-wave-of-the-coronavirus-so-what-went-wrong

201352 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to jojo, 12, #1096 of 1876 🔗

Suggests that what they claim as being right is in fact wrong?

201388 ▶▶▶ jojo, replying to Nick Rose, 11, #1097 of 1876 🔗

virus gonna do what viruses do.

201392 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to jojo, 6, #1098 of 1876 🔗

How many times do we have to repeat this obvious fact?

201356 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to jojo, 19, #1099 of 1876 🔗

What’s key is the use of the word “right”. What they actually did was follow a strict lockdown policy correctly. As it turns out it’s the lockdown policy that is wrong.

201405 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Achilles, 2, #1100 of 1876 🔗

What’s key is the use of the word “right”.

That’s the first thing I spotted there. Who says these things are the right thing to do? They’re clearly not!

201365 ▶▶ Julian, replying to jojo, 6, #1101 of 1876 🔗

Almost as if lockdowns don’t really help.

But no, that conclusion can’t be right, as it’s obvious one.

To steal a phrase from someone else, “Occam’s butterknife”.

201408 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Julian, 2, #1102 of 1876 🔗

Yes, there is a genuine belief among certain rather influential people that the simplest explanation is vulgar, and much greater sophistication of mind is shown by multiplying entities and denying the obvious.

201414 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Julian, 2, #1103 of 1876 🔗

Amazing isn’t it, how people overlook the obvious and repeat the same mistake over and over again.

“It’s all the fault of the people who just won’t follow the rules!”

201373 ▶▶ RickH, replying to jojo, 1, #1104 of 1876 🔗

It’s another testdemic.

201448 ▶▶ annie, replying to jojo, 4, #1105 of 1876 🔗

So might it conceivably occur to them that their whole approach was wrong?
Oh God. Hit your head against the wall to cure a headache, and if that doesn’t work, hit it again harder.

201458 ▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to jojo, 5, #1106 of 1876 🔗

I expected a lot of illness this autumn. Locking people up, and stressing them damages the immune system.

201619 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to jojo, #1107 of 1876 🔗

I expect people weren’t following the rules. Better make them tighter.

201360 CGL, replying to CGL, 4, #1108 of 1876 🔗

Oh my god I am literally shouting at the twat on TalkRadio!!!!
Benjamin Butler- what a fckg arsehole.

201374 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to CGL, 2, #1109 of 1876 🔗

Who the hell is Benjamin Butler?

201378 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #1110 of 1876 🔗

Benjamin, Olivia.. presumably another fucking jolly hockey stick career politician with a posh voice making them appear intelligent.. like Jenrick Nice but Dim…

201380 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to chaos, 2, #1111 of 1876 🔗

Don’t forget Tristram.

201452 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to chaos, 4, #1112 of 1876 🔗

nope, a woke gay lefty journo.. he writes for the guardian sometimes.
Actually Dan Wootton does have commentators on from both sides and it is often provocative – deliberately – so it makes good radio and Dan does give them some stick

201384 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #1113 of 1876 🔗

Benjamin Butterworth?

201397 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Fingerache Philip., 9, #1114 of 1876 🔗

No idea but I really dont like him!!!
Sanctimonious prick saying the students are spoiled brats and selfish and how dangerously they are behaving.

How dare they want to enjoy thw best days of their lives.
I hope they do it all again tonight and tomorrow and the night after.

Rebel!!!!!!!!!!

201421 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to CGL, 10, #1115 of 1876 🔗

Party on,dudes!
From a 71 year old.

201455 ▶▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to CGL, 5, #1116 of 1876 🔗

Another thing, if they catch covid at uni, they won’t be “killing Granny” and will help with herd immunity. I always got a bad cold the first week back at college and I wasn’t partying!

201523 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to CGL, #1117 of 1876 🔗

We need a good clear out of the Augean Stable.

201680 ▶▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to CGL, #1118 of 1876 🔗

But they had another student on to counter that and she gave a good account of herself . Which was great and goes to show not all students support lockdown .

201416 ▶▶ CGL, replying to CGL, 1, #1119 of 1876 🔗

Butterworth – sorry

201446 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to CGL, 1, #1120 of 1876 🔗

Is he worth butter?

201559 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to annie, 1, #1121 of 1876 🔗

He’s not worth ‘i cant believe it’s not butter’!!!!

201722 ▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to CGL, 1, #1122 of 1876 🔗

‘i cant believe it’s not axle grease’

201521 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to CGL, 1, #1123 of 1876 🔗

https://en.everybodywiki.com/Benjamin_Butterworth_(journalist) often on JHB on Talkradio. Very much promask.

201560 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to arfurmo, #1124 of 1876 🔗

No really? – you do surprise me!
(I didn’t really want to uptick but rude to downtick)

201364 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #1125 of 1876 🔗

The Guardian: Is Wizz Air flying in the face of the Equality Act over face masks?.
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2020/oct/22/is-wizz-air-flying-in-the-face-of-the-equality-act-over-face-masks

201457 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #1126 of 1876 🔗

The comments are full of eejits.

People honestly think that masks work and that they aren’t putting them at more risk

201370 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 26, #1127 of 1876 🔗

Just got an email from LNER.

We wanted to let you know that everyone who travels this year must have a seat reservation, meaning there will be far fewer tickets available to ensure you have a socially distanced seat.

We hope that things will be better this Christmas and we’ll be able to get together with the ones we love. We know it’s early to be thinking about it but we don’t want you to miss out on the Christmas magic

Fuck off.

201386 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to stefarm, 8, #1128 of 1876 🔗

LNER soon to be going out of business. They will not be alone.

201608 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to Rowan, #1129 of 1876 🔗

Probably not,LNER is for all intents and purposes nationalised,there again under the emergency measures all the other franchise are too.

201394 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to stefarm, 5, #1130 of 1876 🔗

Christmas magic

Really?

201403 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to stefarm, 4, #1131 of 1876 🔗

They will end up bankrupt like the Transport for Wales franchsie. Many frontline staff in Wales have been blaming the managerial work from home brigade for making unenforceable rules which discourage travel..

201443 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #1132 of 1876 🔗

All buses in our area are now going around empty.

201424 ▶▶ DRW, replying to stefarm, #1133 of 1876 🔗

Rail franchises have been a joke for years anyway.

201433 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to DRW, 1, #1134 of 1876 🔗

Whatisname’s only legacy to the nation as PM.

201518 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to RickH, #1135 of 1876 🔗

Yeh, think I know who you mean. Um….

201462 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to DRW, 5, #1136 of 1876 🔗

always – the whole rail privatisation was a cock up.. it was done at a time when BR was actually getting sorted out despite underinvestment from all governments and a bit of money (and far less than privatisation has needed in subsidies) could have made it a decent service . I am not generally pro nationalisation but this was a mistake

201611 ▶▶▶▶ Paul, replying to mjr, #1137 of 1876 🔗

Yes,in the late 80s and early 90s Intercity was returning a profit and it was much better than anything on offer today.

201618 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to stefarm, 1, #1138 of 1876 🔗

You’d have to be nuts to advance book a ticket for travel at Christmas the way things are going.

201382 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 3, #1139 of 1876 🔗

From the Grauniad “Rules on the wearing of face masks in hospitality and sports have been toughened in Spain’s southern Andalucía region, according to local reports .
The junta announced on Thursday that under the new guidelines anyone practising individual sports – including running, cycling and skating – must now wear a mask if in a densely populated area. The rules for group sports remain unchanged.
In hospitality settings including bars and restaurants, customers must now wear a face mask unless they are eating or drinking, which suggests the mask must not be removed between courses while seated.” Oh to be in Spain

201442 ▶▶ annie, replying to arfurmo, 4, #1140 of 1876 🔗

I’d sooner visit the devil in hell.
If he’s at home, that is, and not in Melbourne.Or No. 10.

201504 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to annie, 1, #1141 of 1876 🔗

Or Andalucia, apparently.

201492 ▶▶ Draper233, replying to arfurmo, 2, #1142 of 1876 🔗

The spirit of Franco lives on…

201496 ▶▶ DRW, replying to arfurmo, 2, #1143 of 1876 🔗

The European hysteria capital, even with much competition.

201419 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 10, #1144 of 1876 🔗

Another ‘test’ video. This guy doesn’t swab anything, just opens it, puts it in tube and sends back. Any guesses what the result is?

https://www.facebook.com/734705245/videos/10164242481825246/

NB: No FB account required to watch

201427 ▶▶ Quernus, replying to Sarigan, 10, #1145 of 1876 🔗

I’ve received an invitation to take part in random PCR testing. I was going to throw away the letter, but then realised it was a chance to do this same sort of experiment, as I’ve heard of this happening far too often. I’m doing a video diary of the process, I’ve registered for the test and I should receive the test kit in the next few days. Will keep you posted.

I can’t help feeling that if we marshalled all these incidents, they would be very hard to ignore…

201441 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Quernus, 4, #1146 of 1876 🔗

C’mon. Is it a marrow or an apple? 🙂

201469 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Quernus, 1, #1147 of 1876 🔗

see this video . this was posted a week or two back. the same sort of thing as you are planning … so choose something different

201483 ▶▶▶▶ Quernus, replying to mjr, 2, #1148 of 1876 🔗

I remember watching that and hoping that this would get through to more young people, who seem, by and large, totalling accepting of the government’s propaganda. But rather than try anything fancy, I’m just going to do what the chap in the FB video did, and just put the swab, unused, in the test tube (which I understand has some sort of liquid in it), and return it as it is. I’ve got a good friend on standby to record me doing it. Will report back.

201508 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Quernus, 3, #1149 of 1876 🔗

Trouble is, if “you” test positive, the bounders tell T&T and the police may then be round your house.

201530 ▶▶▶▶ Quernus, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1150 of 1876 🔗

I’ve thought about that, and that’s why I’m carefully documenting it by video, to prove that I haven’t taken the test. I’m happy to have take that argument as far as I need to if I’m ever challenged. But if it’s a positive result, I want to make it as public as possible, because of course I’ll be adding to the stats that are holding us all captive.

201453 ▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Sarigan, 4, #1151 of 1876 🔗

No way!!! That is insane. Give that man a medal, & get this properly reported, to show the brainwashed masses that the testing process is utterly flawed.

I am going to order one, maybe swab my cats turds or the tyres of my car, send it away & see what results I get back.

I’m taking bets now, 4/1 it’s a positive, 2/1 it’s a negative.

What utter shit.

201490 ▶▶▶ Draper233, replying to AnotherSceptic, 2, #1152 of 1876 🔗

Great idea, but don’t give up the day job to become an oddsmaker.

I could bet on both outcomes and still make a tidy profit!

201498 ▶▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Draper233, #1153 of 1876 🔗

I currently don’t have a job..lol.

201615 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to AnotherSceptic, 2, #1154 of 1876 🔗

Seen rumours that many Chinese-produced kits are impregnated with the virus..

201589 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Sarigan, 2, #1155 of 1876 🔗

Great – please can someone send this to Simon Dolan?

201425 l835, replying to l835, 24, #1156 of 1876 🔗

Middle daughter and I gad a run in with the Covid nazi on the door at B&Q today. She insisted I wear an exemption lanyard as “we are under new rules now” Realising it was pointless discussing it any further just said “I’ve had enough of this” and walked into the shop with her shouting after me to follow the arrows and socially distance! Learning points for Daughter. Know your rights and don’t be bullied by someone who’s been given a tiny bit of power.

202097 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to l835, #1157 of 1876 🔗

Learning points for Daughter. Know your rights and don’t be bullied by someone who’s been given a tiny bit of power

Thumbs up

201429 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, #1158 of 1876 🔗

You really can’t make this up….

What utter utter shit. Had to get the covid part in eh?

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/lifestyle/family-kids/parents-reveal-how-many-times-22890010

201444 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to AnotherSceptic, 4, #1159 of 1876 🔗

This is how Krankie is getting away with her crap; people are stupid!

201459 ▶▶ l835, replying to AnotherSceptic, 1, #1160 of 1876 🔗

Minimum of twice weekly? No wonder I don’t have a problem social distancing!

201503 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to AnotherSceptic, #1161 of 1876 🔗

Everyone please fill out the survey that comes with the article (it appeared for me – not sure if it always appears).

201431 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 16, #1162 of 1876 🔗

As Ireland goes into it’s Level 5 non-lockdown lockdown, Minister for Health Stephen Donnelly said “ today is day one of flattening the curve for a second time” and  this is a “pre-emptive strike”. blah blah blah

Well I flattened it for him. Sorry this is a bit juvenile but there’s only so much serious stuff I can deal with in one day.

201484 ▶▶ John Smith, replying to godowneasy, 2, #1163 of 1876 🔗

“Pre-emptive strike” Disturbing amount of aggressive military type talk being carelessly flung around.

201489 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to godowneasy, 7, #1164 of 1876 🔗

So let me get this straight. The last lockdown failed to flatten the curve or, at least, only managed to flatten it for as long as the weight of the lockdown was flattening it. So if the last lockdown failed to flatten the curve it was mean to flatten, why does anybody think that another lockdown to flatten the curve will, in fact, succeed in flattening the curve it is intended to flatten?

H/T “Yes, Minister”.

201505 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #1165 of 1876 🔗

Because they can’t think of a new slogan so they just used the one that worked last time.

201509 ▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #1166 of 1876 🔗

Superb comment. I find it hard to judge the mood of the population at large but it’s hard to imagine that any thinking person would believe this shit any longer. TD Michael McNamara on fire today in debate about rolling forward emergency powers until June – very well worth watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90flUTYfPMk

201436 Che Strazio, replying to Che Strazio, 67, #1167 of 1876 🔗

I wrote a letter to Sainsbury’s pointing out the liability in distrubuting a face covering. I also asked for a copy of the risk assessment they have carried out on the face coverings they handing out to customers. I haven’t received a formal reply but tonight their doors were unmanned, no face coverings baskets and a brand new poster. A simple poster which highlights the law including the exemption bit! Hurray! It’s the little things.

201440 ▶▶ annie, replying to Che Strazio, 23, #1168 of 1876 🔗

It’s people like you taking the trouble to write. Well done.

201451 ▶▶▶ Che Strazio, replying to annie, 13, #1169 of 1876 🔗

Thank you.
I wrote to Asda too. They have replied formally and tomorrow as a birthday treat I will reply to them. I explored the medical device route but the government (MHRA) has already said that face coverings don’t count as fake devices. However, handing out face coverings shift personal responsibility to corporate. Fingers crossed.

202060 ▶▶▶▶ Lili, replying to Che Strazio, #1170 of 1876 🔗

They’re not medical devices but they ARE a NPI – Non Pharmaceutical Intervention. I’ll try and post the WHO table.

Article 6 of the UN Bioethics Committee specifically states:

Article 6 – Consent

1. Any preventive, diagnostic and therapeutic
medical intervention is only to be carried out with the prior, free and
informed consent of the person concerned, based on adequate information. The
consent should, where appropriate, be express and may be withdrawn by the
person concerned at any time and for any reason without disadvantage or
prejudice.

3. In no case should a collective community
agreement or the consent of a community leader or other authority substitute
for an individual’s informed consent.

http://portal.unesco.org/en/ev.php-URL_ID=31058&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201.html

201445 ▶▶ Quernus, replying to Che Strazio, 4, #1171 of 1876 🔗

Well done! Any chance of seeing the poster? Would be good ammunition for a similar fight I’m about to embark on with my local Sainsburys!

201461 ▶▶▶ Che Strazio, replying to Quernus, 4, #1172 of 1876 🔗

I wrote to Sainsbury’s Monday afternoon, so quite a fast response. I’ll try attach a photo.

201466 ▶▶▶▶ Quernus, replying to Che Strazio, 9, #1173 of 1876 🔗

That’s great! And thank you 🙂 I’m planning to write to all local businesses to point out the relevant legislation about not discriminating against non-mask wearers, and point out that they could play a huge rule in encouraging civility amongst their shoppers by modelling tolerance. I will also point out that they will not have my cold hard cash until they change the tone of their signage and announcements.

201473 ▶▶▶▶▶ Che Strazio, replying to Quernus, 8, #1174 of 1876 🔗

I think I touched a nerve in requesting a copy of the risk assessment they have duty to carry out as the government hasn’t.

201479 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Quernus, replying to Che Strazio, 5, #1175 of 1876 🔗

No doubt! The government has been diabolically clever by pawning off the duty to enforce the guidance to private companies – puts businesses between a rock and a hard place, and I do feel sorry for them. But if they turned round en masse and refused to do what the government is asking of them, that would go a long way to bringing this fiasco to an end.

201660 ▶▶▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Quernus, 1, #1176 of 1876 🔗

Print of some NO MASK WE WON’T ASK posters of the internet and enclose in your letters so they have something to put in their windows .There are many different versions out there .Good luck .

201464 ▶▶ Che Strazio, replying to Che Strazio, 9, #1177 of 1876 🔗

Photo.

201529 ▶▶▶ Quernus, replying to Che Strazio, 3, #1178 of 1876 🔗

Brilliant, thanks for this! Into battle I go!

201667 ▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Che Strazio, 3, #1179 of 1876 🔗

As i said above a good idea is the NO MASK WE DON’T ASK posters .Ever shop we get one in is a small victory . Different designs on the net to print off.

202049 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Che Strazio, 1, #1180 of 1876 🔗

Fabulous news! Unfortunately the local Sainsbury mega market for me has taken up queuing again even though it’s empty inside. So many poor elderly having to wait Outside in the rain for no reason 🙁

201439 Tking, 36, #1181 of 1876 🔗

This utterly evil government has yet again failed to support the 3 million excluded from financial support during the pandemic. People left with no money through no fault of their own. I cannot describe how angry I feel, when I know people who got large amounts of money they did not need through the various schemes, and their businesses were barely affected, they have wasted money on the useless track and trace scheme etc etc, and yet cant find money to support the people left behind/being left destitute.

I am in a close contact job and if I cant work am entitled to 0 after being a net contributor and never having claimed a penny from the state. Thank god I am currently working and able to save up for now, but I am lucky, many are really screwed.

201447 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 10, #1182 of 1876 🔗

So George Floyd died of fentanyl, methamphetamine and more importantly was positive for Covid-19 (from autopsy)

So Covid killed him – queue BLM marches against Covid

201572 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to mhcp, 3, #1183 of 1876 🔗

That autopsy was published ages ago but got suppressed. Did not see anything about Covid being mentioned in it then – has it been added?

The bodycam from one of the Police shows clearly what went on and unsurprisingly the MSM story of him being killed does not appear to be true..

201456 Dave Tee, replying to Dave Tee, 23, #1184 of 1876 🔗

Desmond Swayne at it again today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10yDeKNsTz8&t=0s

What a bloody hero.

201520 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Dave Tee, 6, #1185 of 1876 🔗

Just sent him an email – what a gent!!!

201694 ▶▶▶ James007, replying to CGL, 3, #1186 of 1876 🔗

I have too! Worthy of support for holding the government to account, more voices needed.

201524 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Dave Tee, 5, #1187 of 1876 🔗

Excellent speech. The fact that he wears a detachable collar should show you that he holds no truck with fashionable modern trends.

201537 ▶▶▶ Dave Tee, replying to Cranmer, 5, #1188 of 1876 🔗

The sideburns are a bonus.

201542 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Dave Tee, 9, #1189 of 1876 🔗

I have just sent this to him:

Dear Sir Desmond,
I have just watched your speech in the House of Commons today (I was directed to it from http://www.lockdownsceptics.org ).

Absolutely brilliant!! All of the points I try to make but you have done it so much better.

Well done! Please keep it up.

This anti-social distancing (I refuse to use the other term which is Orwellian newspeak) is KILLING businesses left right and centre; their business model, which was perfectly sensible and reasonable has been destroyed, not by new technology but by government fiat. Anti-social distancing is even more pernicious than these disgusting face-nappies.

I note from your biography that you studied Theology at the University of St. Andrews; you may be interested to learn that I run three New Testament Greek Groups and a Latin Group.

Welby could learn a lot from you.

Thanks again.

Steve

201567 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Dave Tee, 2, #1190 of 1876 🔗

Agreed – good man!
What do people make of Steve Baker smirking behind him in the clip? I am somehow not reading his expression as being one of support…

201648 ▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Carrie, #1191 of 1876 🔗

I assume that he is supportive and cannot understand why anyone would think otherwise given that Steve Baker seems to have been one of the more sceptical MPs throughout .

201809 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Dave Tee, 2, #1192 of 1876 🔗

Not a ‘hero’ (a much overused word). An MP doing hos job well.

201460 Steeve, #1193 of 1876 🔗

I am going to deposit some valuables at my GP surgery tomorrow. All relevant security seems in place. My only reservation is their mask policy!

201468 Frank Garrett, replying to Frank Garrett, 6, #1194 of 1876 🔗

‘STAY HOME’

What a brainless and vapid message. And people are tired of the propaganda.

201487 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to Frank Garrett, 6, #1195 of 1876 🔗

Not even good English. Should be “stay AT home”

201499 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Frank Garrett, 4, #1196 of 1876 🔗

Sadly my family are still suckered in.

201526 ▶▶▶ John Smith, replying to DRW, 3, #1197 of 1876 🔗

Keep at it. It’ll sink in eventually.

201488 Humanity First, replying to Humanity First, 5, #1198 of 1876 🔗

Some excerpts from an article by Dr Rancourt in Off Guardian:

“Medicine most everywhere has been modelled into a state religion, which creates an unhealthy dependence, and a debilitating perception of one’s own body and place in the world.”

“…the influence of Big Pharma is devastating, with prescription-drug addictions, and population-scale use of chemotherapeutic, psychotropic and palliative drugs. Most published research validating marginal benefits from these drugs is false. It is no accident that the third-leading cause of death in the West is medical “error”, not counting error-free “treatment”.”

“In addition, vaccines are generally a global industry of harmful exploitation, enabled by the captured WHO and CDC. It is a trillion-dollar industry, which supports the USA dollar as a global currency.”

“The jurisdictions that are somewhat independent of the USA are not immune to the institutions captured by Big Pharma, nor to the global propaganda about the pandemic, because these jurisdictions know that fear can lead to war, and vaccines can create vaccine borders against trade and cooperation. “

“Transmissible pathogens are a powerful pretext for total isolation and vilification of nations. Thus, except for Belarus that proves the rule, China and Russia must at least appear to take the West’s pandemic seriously, and they must develop their own vaccines.”

https://off-guardian.org/2020/10/22/great-viral-debate-round-2-dr-rancourts-second-response/

201760 ▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Humanity First, #1199 of 1876 🔗

He’s one of our Canadian heroes during this debacle!

201500 Humanity First, replying to Humanity First, 2, #1200 of 1876 🔗

Is Sweden’s vaccine/chip friendly population a more plausible explanation of why it has been allowed to escape the lockdown stranglehold applied elsewhere in Europe?

COVID and the coming Reset is a global play and prominent global players like the UK have been chosen to show the rest how it should be done…

201502 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Humanity First, 1, #1201 of 1876 🔗

Good question.

201515 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Humanity First, 5, #1202 of 1876 🔗

I have thought about this but it doesn’t explain other outliers around the world like Tanzania, Belarus, Brazil, Nicaragua, Japan, Pakistan, parts of Switzerland and some states in America.

201522 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 2, #1203 of 1876 🔗

Different countries, different reasons perhaps.

201536 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to calchas, 5, #1204 of 1876 🔗

It could be. I think it’s clear that there are various groups at work trying to take advantage of the situation, just not sure that it’s coordinated and premeditated in response to this.

That said, we should definitely seek to stop purveyors of ‘resets’ and ‘new normal’ from advancing their damaging agendas.

201593 ▶▶▶▶▶ wayno, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, #1205 of 1876 🔗

Just caught the decade of health add on the telly, priming us for a decade of this shit. Sponsored by the bill and Melinda foundation and London school of tropical medicine, unicef and others. This is a long game plan.

201598 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 2, #1206 of 1876 🔗

I agree with this. Not everybody with an agenda is a shadowy supra-national Blofeld, overpaid do-gooder Gates, or certifiable lunatic Schwab. Not that I think any of them are competent enough to push their agendas too hard. Yes, politicians enjoy the Davos piss up and steal buzz phrases, but Gates keeps on getting kicked out of this country or that over some fuck up or other, and that pesky Bond fellow always seems to sort out Blofeld.

But there are a lot of more mundane groups, such as XR and BLM who sniff a vacuum where there is no clear leadership. Such as from the present government of the UK.

201727 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #1207 of 1876 🔗

XR and BLM are funded by the same globalist crowd

201538 ▶▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 7, #1208 of 1876 🔗

I think there are two mentalities particularly resistant to this madness. The first is the classic Peter Hitchens type traditional conservative, religious, patient, sturdy, self reliant, suspicious of authoritarian do-gooders. The second is more leftist, awkward, rebellious, genuinely compassionate and distrustful of authority in general and rich bullies in particular. A smaller group are the intellectually curious who instinctively check the small print and are just very hard to fool. Nicaragua and Pakistan are in the first group, Belarus in the second and Sweden in the third

201736 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Yawnyaman, 1, #1209 of 1876 🔗

Pakistan tried lockdown and realised the human cost was too much.Belarus is ruled by a maverick authoritarian and now faces a colour revolution for going against the lockdown tide.Sweden is a small country in which health and politics are seperate.
The one country that doesn’t fit into the conspiracy narrative is Japan.Any answers?

201831 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 1, #1210 of 1876 🔗

I believe Japan has post-WW2 constitutional limitations on state authority, which would not permit lockdown edicts.
In Belarus, Lukashenko refused the IMF / World Bank bribe of $940m. Which is why his political opposition are now being courted by Western European leaders, and the media including the BBC depict the anti-Lukashenko protesters as latter day saints.

https://youtu.be/Lh6VnB7JvW0?t=1004

(At this timepoint)

In the US, the divide between different States is along obvious party lines.

Switzerland is home to much of the Banking cabal, and a resort / playground for many of the elite.

Serbian citizens said ‘No!’.

201517 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Humanity First, 3, #1211 of 1876 🔗

Interesting theory. I think it’s more likely that Sweden’s tradition of neutrality has made it less eager to jump into bed with whatever villains are running this show.

201552 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Humanity First, 5, #1212 of 1876 🔗

I live in Sweden and know NO ONE with a chip – nor anyone who thinks it is a good idea..
Since a large number of people took up the offer (not compulsory) of the swine flu vaccine and Sweden then had the highest number of cases of narcolepsy-damaged individuals, people are not that keen to sign up for a rushed vaccine – at least not among the people I know anyway.

More likely explanation is that Sweden already holds quite a lot of data on its citizens, albeit not easily accessible to snoopers as things stand, but it would be fairly easy to ‘mesh’ the databases together and exert more control if someone/some authority were so inclined in the future….

201565 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Humanity First, 9, #1213 of 1876 🔗

One plausible explanation is a soundly written and respected constitution and institutions and a separation of powers between political and public health, combined with the courage and good sense of a few individuals (Tegnell, Giesecke, the PM, others).

Just because lots of countries panicked and did the wrong thing doesn’t mean they all have to. South Dakota didn’t. Plenty of others.

What’s more surprising and hard to explain is how many countries did panic and continue to do so.

201575 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Julian, 1, #1214 of 1876 🔗

Yes, and a more rational explanation too.

201746 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #1215 of 1876 🔗

A panic scenario is believable in which globalist intrests rushed into the breach after seeing the opportunity that lockdowns afforded.

201718 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Humanity First, #1216 of 1876 🔗

Health is separate from politics in Sweden so they was not able to use the same trick there.That being said they are too small to matter and will be made to toe the line later

201510 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 4, #1217 of 1876 🔗

Find it quite refreshing that Outlook spellcheck still does not recognise ‘Covid’ as a word. I am not going to add it to the dictionary either.

201563 ▶▶ bucky99, replying to Sarigan, 1, #1218 of 1876 🔗

Love those small wins!

201512 NappyFace, replying to NappyFace, 8, #1219 of 1876 🔗

My mask is my face.
Lockdown is freedom.
+ve PCR tests are cases.
All deaths are Covid deaths.

So we shut the Nightingales because we were worried about NHS capacity.

201544 ▶▶ DRW, replying to NappyFace, 2, #1220 of 1876 🔗

MSM is truth.
We are always at war with Covid.

201516 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1221 of 1876 🔗

“The shocking thing about the above quote is that using their own methods, the virologists found that solutions containing SARS-CoV-2 — even in high amounts — were NOT, I repeat NOT, infective to any of the three human tissue cultures they tested”

https://www.sott.net/article/443103-Only-poisoned-monkey-kidney-cells-grew-the-SARS-CoV-2-virus

References this CDC study
http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/6/20-0516_article

Makes me think that a) more evidence that they claim to isolate SARS-CoV-2 but that’s not correct and b) these human trials where they intentionally infect humans, is there a chance they may struggle to?

201574 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1222 of 1876 🔗

I did hear they were struggling to infect the human guinea pigs for the vaccine trials.

201600 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #1223 of 1876 🔗

Really? As in, they were exposing them to the virus but they weren’t testing positive or displaying symptoms (not surprising since such a large proportion of people are supposedly asymptomatic).

201636 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1224 of 1876 🔗

It’s what I heard a couple of months ago. Hearsay I know.

201811 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #1225 of 1876 🔗

I had read a story about they had been doing trials on humans for the Spanish flu back in the 1918s olden days and struggled to infect people. Even by getting them to do very close contact to try and infect them.

Ah, here it is

https://medium.com/microbial-instincts/spread-of-spanish-flu-was-never-experimentally-confirmed-9f91b37c4dd8

First result in DuckDuckGo. Does not appear on Google as it goes. Quelle suprise

201814 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1226 of 1876 🔗

“They isolated microbial mixtures from the throat and noses of carefully selected influenza cases from an outbreak location. The researchers then administered these to 10 young U.S. navy volunteers without prior exposure to influenza. None fell sick.

They drew blood from influenza patients and transferred it to the navy volunteers. None fell sick.
They collected influenza patients’ mucous membranes with swabs and filtered them to exclude larger microbes like bacteria. They then injected the filtrate into the navy volunteers. None fell sick.

They brought the navy volunteers to meet influenza patients. They shook hands and conversed. The patients also exhaled (as hard as possible) onto the volunteers’ face for five times. Then the patients cough directly onto the volunteers. None fell sick.”

201525 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 11, #1227 of 1876 🔗

Anyone here with any interest in Ireland please watch this. TD Michael McNamara on fire today in debate about rolling forward emergency powers until June – very well worth watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90flUTYfPMk

201548 ▶▶ Rosser, replying to godowneasy, 1, #1228 of 1876 🔗

Strong words passionately delivered. Ireland seems to have gone full scale nuts over this which is surprising given that Leo is actually a qualified Doctor. Unfortunately for us in Northern Ireland, what happens down South still has an influencing impact on our devolved policy makers. So monkey see, monkey do.

201570 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to godowneasy, 2, #1229 of 1876 🔗

My God, that is good. Fire in his belly and all kudos for that. But he is right. If this isn’t debated in the Dail, it’ll be debated outside.

201604 ▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #1230 of 1876 🔗

Yes – I think that was his main message – a clear warning that violence on the streets will result from Gov failures. Notice that Donnelly didn’t look up at any time during his impassioned speech.

201632 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to godowneasy, 1, #1231 of 1876 🔗

He got longer than fifty seconds…

201577 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to godowneasy, 1, #1232 of 1876 🔗

Great passionate speech. How dare they attempt to stop priests celebrating the memorial of our redemption.

201635 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Cranmer, 2, #1233 of 1876 🔗

Not religious myself, but I’m surprised that an openly Catholic country such as the Republic of Ireland can have a government failing to understand that Mass is a sacrament. It’s important to believers.

201707 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #1234 of 1876 🔗

I am surprised that the closure of churches and pubs did not lead to riots here in Ireland (as a teetotal atheist, neither affects me directly but I consider the closure of both to be wrong).

201528 Bella, replying to Bella, 22, #1235 of 1876 🔗

Went to Specsavers today who, I have to say, to a person were so helpful and nice and I wasn’t wearing a mask. Then, waiting for my appointment, a woman who must have been in her late eighties complained to a member of staff that I wasn’t masked up, even though she was at least twenty feet away from me. Late eighties or not, these people are collaborators: in respect of doing the enemy’s work for them. I felt really ill disposed towards her (and that’s being polite.)

201578 ▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Bella, 3, #1236 of 1876 🔗

Just concentrate on the other old lady in her eighties in Yorkshire who isn’t scared at all and her video is reaching tens of thousands of people .

201645 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Bella, #1237 of 1876 🔗

What happened about her complaint?

201674 ▶▶▶ Bella, replying to arfurmo, 2, #1238 of 1876 🔗

A member of staff checked to see if I was exempt and told her so. But ffs there are approx 25 staff in that opticians, all masked, aproned and gloved up. Didn’t it occur to her that someone might have asked already? Reckon she was a professional snitch.

201691 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Bella, 3, #1239 of 1876 🔗

They think they are going to live forever.

201531 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #1240 of 1876 🔗

Staying apart keeps us together

https://www.newrrg.vic.gov.au/2020/07/09/staying-apart-keeps-us-together/

Victoria Auz. Straight out of 1984 doublethink

201793 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1241 of 1876 🔗

🤮

201532 Cranmer, replying to Cranmer, 5, #1242 of 1876 🔗

I can’t say exactly when, but I think that at some point in the last two days, the tide turned.

201535 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1243 of 1876 🔗

What makes you say that? I need hope!

201543 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Country Mumkin, 19, #1244 of 1876 🔗

You cannot ignore an 83 year old great-grandma from south yorkshire:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/22/should-not-surrender-warns-grandmother-became-overnight-celebrity/

“The future of the young is in your hands Boris. And for God’s sake, get some people around you who know what needs to be done,” she said.
“I would sack the lot of them, especially Matt Hancock. Get people who will tell you to open everything up and shield the vulnerable.”

201569 ▶▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 7, #1245 of 1876 🔗

That Granny is the best thing to happen in ages .I know people who are talking about it who have never been lockdown sceptics .It puts to death the lie everyone is scared and that old people all just want to be protected and don’t have a life to live .I urge everyone who has not done it yet to get this video as much attention as you can because it will further our cause no end .

201588 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 7, #1246 of 1876 🔗

Really great she was televised doing this 👍🏼

201755 ▶▶▶▶ CapLlam, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 5, #1247 of 1876 🔗

There was also a great write up on the daily mail about her as well . She also said that her and her husband had covid and survived it so it’s nothing to worry about.

201866 ▶▶▶▶ Dominic12, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #1248 of 1876 🔗

It was shown on Jeremy Vine this morning. Guest host was Anne Diamond and Storm Huntley (doing the background stuff in the foreground) seems to have chosen it. That show, including with Vine as host, is a lot more lockdown sceptic than it used to be.

201550 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Country Mumkin, 32, #1249 of 1876 🔗

There seems to have been a sudden rush of good news, eg:

  • Scottish hoteliers sueing the Scottish ‘Government’
  • Victory for the Liverpool gyms civil disobedience campaign
  • Pennsylvania judge rules Lockdown unconstitutional – could go national
  • Australian police announce anti Lockdown demos to be lawful
  • More and more celebs and a few MPs starting to speak out
  • The spat between Boris and Burnham – shows narrative is crumbling
  • Private prosecution for treason against all MPs underway
  • Simon Dolan prosecution of HMG underway
  • Great Barrington Declaration getting more and more signatures
  • More videos going viral, like ‘Yorkshire Granny’ and ‘Scottish 104 year old in care home’ etc.
  • Anti-lockdown banner hung from Houses of Parliament
201561 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Cranmer, 8, #1250 of 1876 🔗

Thanks Cranmer. I needed that. I will save as my screen saver 👍🏼

201630 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Cranmer, 7, #1251 of 1876 🔗

The Liverpool gyms is the turn. Proves that if you stand up to the bastards, they cave in. They cave in because they know they’re in the wrong.

201776 ▶▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #1252 of 1876 🔗

Hero of the week for me.

201629 ▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Country Mumkin, 3, #1253 of 1876 🔗

The yorkshire granny video goes viral , Desmond swayne speech in parliament, young students arguing it out on talk radio Dan Wotton . Ivor Cummins got a new video out on triggernometry . There’s lots to be thankful about just keep away from videos telling you we’re all doomed and you will keep yourself mentally fit for the fight .Chin up Mumkin .

201639 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Cranmer, #1254 of 1876 🔗

What about the new lockdowns in Scotland, Ireland and Wales? And Tier 3 creeping ever onwards across England?

201641 ▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to A. Contrarian, 5, #1255 of 1876 🔗

I think that’s actually more evidence that the tide has turned. The dictators are getting more desperate and tougher with the measures because they know people are beginning to see through the BS.

201894 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to A. Contrarian, #1256 of 1876 🔗

What about them ? For the obedience of fools, as always.

202093 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to A. Contrarian, #1257 of 1876 🔗

The Councils get money to do the lockdowns. Got nothing to do with the virus. On the other hand it decimates businesses and makes people poorer.

201539 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Country Mumkin, #1259 of 1876 🔗

Sounds terrible. I posted it here a few days ago!

201568 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Carrie, 4, #1260 of 1876 🔗

I am terrified of this. Literally petrified and am losing my mind a bit over it!

Luckily Cranmer just cheered me up just now.

That said I’m still terrified!

201573 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Country Mumkin, 3, #1261 of 1876 🔗

Fight it to the end – and take one with you.

201580 ▶▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #1262 of 1876 🔗

Not feeling great right now. Lost the fight a bit. Think the fear is washing over me a bit too much!

201601 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Country Mumkin, 5, #1263 of 1876 🔗

Best to take a break from all media for a while when things get like that, I find. And remember that less than 40 years ago, Britons like the late Sir Roger Scruton risked imprisonment and torture to oppose totalitarianism in Europe. If he could do that, we can hold out against our current shower in Parliament, for as long as it takes.

201668 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1264 of 1876 🔗

Thank you Cranmer. I will take a break. Very good advice. Thank you 😊

201743 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1265 of 1876 🔗

Very well said!

201886 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Country Mumkin, #1266 of 1876 🔗

Take a break. Day or two with no tv, internet, or phone. Nature food books sleep exercise.

201607 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Country Mumkin, 5, #1267 of 1876 🔗

I’ve heard this has been debunked. Don’t worry about it until you know its credible.

201664 ▶▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Mr Dee, #1268 of 1876 🔗

I hope so. You’re right about not worrying about it. Thank you.

201676 ▶▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Mr Dee, #1269 of 1876 🔗

Yes I’ve read it’s not credible

201748 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Mr Dee, 2, #1270 of 1876 🔗

I’m in Canada — it’s been debunked. While our government is completely untrustworthy, this is not real.

201815 ▶▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #1271 of 1876 🔗

Yes; it’s entirely credible to me at least.
My worry is that everyone else will consign it as a crazy conspiracy theory.
Which will allow stealth preparations in that direction to continue.
There is other indicative evidence of a second virus, most damningly out of BG’s own mouth.

201860 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dominic12, replying to Mr Dee, #1272 of 1876 🔗

If it’s been debunked the question becomes who wrote it & put it out, and why?

201891 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Dominic12, #1273 of 1876 🔗

SPI-B ? Because they’re bastards.

201659 ▶▶▶▶ Bella, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #1274 of 1876 🔗

Exactly what they want. Resist it. The worst that can happen is you die. And since that applies to all of us why be terrified? Don’t give them the satisfaction.

201663 ▶▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Bella, 1, #1275 of 1876 🔗

Not terrified for myself. For my young child.

But I am fine about dying myself. At some point.

201704 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bella, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #1276 of 1876 🔗

I wasn’t implying anything negative but trying to encourage you. Sometimes we only have two choices. Resist or surrender x

201534 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, #1277 of 1876 🔗

Sorry if this has already been posted – not had much chance to look at the comments section today. Public vote of no confidence in the government. What do people think? I support the end goal of course (although I’m not sure about the alternative!), but it looks to me like it’s on the side of Starmer, implying that the government failed us by not locking down soon or hard enough.

https://tinyurl.com/yy2a72a8

201546 ▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1278 of 1876 🔗

Looks lockdown fanatic to me.

201541 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 8, #1279 of 1876 🔗

https://twitter.com/KenGibs1/status/1319176156839632896

The system has changed – double counting of positive tests is now explicitly allowed for.

201605 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1280 of 1876 🔗

Outrageous!

201549 wat tyler, 3, #1281 of 1876 🔗

Check out the new Desmond Swayne speech on youtube .Just type in Desmond Swayne Herd stupidity .He’s putting the message out .

201555 JamesDrebin, replying to JamesDrebin, 25, #1282 of 1876 🔗

Whenever I hear the words, “Hands. Face. Space”, I like to drown them out by shouting, “BACK. SACK. CRACK.”

It amuses me no end, but I do get some funny looks from my fellow supermarket inmates when doing the weekly shop.

201599 ▶▶ Bobblybob, replying to JamesDrebin, 2, #1283 of 1876 🔗

I go shoulders, knees and toes, bit think i prefer yours

201643 ▶▶ Al T, replying to JamesDrebin, 1, #1284 of 1876 🔗

😂

201556 mr ben, 4, #1285 of 1876 🔗

I’ve just heard of someone who was asked to take the PCR test. After being made to wait for over two hours she decided to leave without taking the test. She later received a letter telling her she had tested positive. How often is this happening I wonder?

201557 wayno, 5, #1286 of 1876 🔗

Just caught the decade of health add on the squalk box, I am lost for expletives. And the first line of sponsors is bloody bill and Melinda foundation, and the London school od tropical medicine. This sh1t makes my blood boil.

201558 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #1287 of 1876 🔗

Are hospitals/GPs using early-stage interventions such as well-documented, safe, effective and cheap HCQ treatments?
https://hcqlost.com

201885 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to PastImperfect, #1288 of 1876 🔗

It is available on the interweb. Not sure if it’s on Amazon Prime though.

201562 mjr, replying to mjr, 9, #1289 of 1876 🔗

c4 news just announcing that police are investigating care home deaths in scotland .

interesting ………

ps – here is more info . Operation Koper

201595 ▶▶ Basics, replying to mjr, 2, #1290 of 1876 🔗

Bloody good. But it is Political police Scotland so no breath held.

201652 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to mjr, 3, #1291 of 1876 🔗

They probably suspect that some of the people who died had transphobic views that they didn’t recant before they died. I suspect that care homes are liable for that in Scotland.

201586 NickR, replying to NickR, 1, #1292 of 1876 🔗

Coventry, Slough & Stoke has just been announced as new Tier 2 areas.
Looking at the positive tests in the areas do they really think bankrupting the few pubs that remain is going to save them….. assuming they need saving!

201594 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to NickR, 8, #1293 of 1876 🔗

My guess is all of England will be under Tier 3 by mid December, in time for Boris to ‘save Christmas’ by graciously allowing us to meet with relations on Christmas Day only.

201597 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1294 of 1876 🔗

He will expect gratitude.

201606 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Ovis, 3, #1295 of 1876 🔗

I don’t think he’d want to open my Christmas present for him if he knew what was in it.

201651 ▶▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Cranmer, #1296 of 1876 🔗

Just extend to him the truth in which self-illusion cannot abide.
Or you make a version of him (out of your mind) and attack it (your mind).

201621 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Cranmer, 3, #1297 of 1876 🔗

He can stick his tiers, its all ridiculous

201646 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Cranmer, #1298 of 1876 🔗

If people were not allowed to gather for his death and resurrection, why would they be allowed to gather to celebrate his birth. Now I know that few do, but I would not be surprised if Christmas gets cancelled so that a new festivity can replace it. The Christian spirit may be very weak in a largely lost ‘flock’ but is bedrock to the notion of love as the individual expression of true willingness for life and the conditions that support life.
The new world order works to usurp and invert Order as a world in which
“Everything is BACKWARDS; everything is upside down! Doctors destroy health, Lawyers destroy justice, Universities destroy knowledge, Governments destroy freedom, Major media destroys information, And religions destroy spirituality”. (~Michael Ellner).

The Christ Spirit never was, is or shall be proprietary to any human organisation for it is the nature of any and every real relationship – evidenced as the recognition of another as our self. This recognition is in the heart. It is the heart, given honour and welcome. It is also the context and basis of an honest and honouring communication and the way out of hell.

Your basic point is sound though. The usurper grants limited and conditional privileges as token ‘freedoms’ or ‘little concessions’ to engineer compliance.

Frankly Crassmass is a gross and hollow ritual that I choose not to mask in.
But there is a quality in Silence from which a renewing of faith and friendship naturally overflow and gratefully so.

201590 Basics, replying to Basics, 5, #1299 of 1876 🔗

Another name to know. Yanner Bar-Yan. A short look at his wiki entry will give you a flavour.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaneer_Bar-Yam

You only need to look at this twitter exchange to grasp his place.

Conversation
Prof. Devi Sridhar
@devisridhar
My view: going to be a rough 4 months (until March) trying to minimise death & minimise restrictions. Then, governments have another chance (Crossed fingerswith vaccine & rapid testing) to form a strategy based on latest data & to use the summer months to form a gameplan with this virus.

Yaneer Bar-Yam
@yaneerbaryam
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2h
Replying to
@devisridhar
Devi, many are locking down now. North Ireland, Wales, Ireland.

Push for getting to zero before opening up.

Prof. Devi Sridhar
@devisridhar
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2h
That requires strong leadership & vision with a clear plan, deliverable objectives & bringing the public along…

Yaneer Bar-Yam
@yaneerbaryam
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2h
Now is the time to make it clear that this is the way out

Yaneer Bar-Yam
@yaneerbaryam
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2h
If it is done well we will be out of this in weeks.

Yaneer Bar-Yam
@yaneerbaryam
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2h
Your writing is outstanding. Explaining this well will matter

https://twitter.com/devisridhar/status/1319309475082309632?s=20

This is a an American telling another American to push for entire lock down to covid zero of Great Britain. In public.

If you read Yanner’s wiki the title Activism seems to relate soley to Covid19 matters. Curious. I bet a lockdown sceptic or two might know more about this guy.

Also to mention Leech was at Harvard in recent years (2012?) Getting an MSc/MA in public health or similar. Yanner has a position at Harvard.

201878 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Basics, 1, #1300 of 1876 🔗

Scrote is a word that springs to mind.

201592 Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 27, #1301 of 1876 🔗

I ventured into the epicentre of the plague today. Liverpool. Fear Level Three. Except it didn’t have the feel of a city in the grip of death. I wandered along the great Mersey. Grey clouds, the first bite of winter, a spit of rain. But there was still life at the docklands. Couples taking a walk arm in arm, youngsters whizzing about on electric scooters, dogwalkers and pram-pushing grandmas. Cyclists and joggers, young and old. It was just so normal. Fishermen huddled together grinning and joking – is that allowed? They didn’t care. If it wasn’t for the covid propaganda every few yards and the odd person braving the bracing air in a mask, I’d have thought all was well with the world.

201616 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Mr Dee, 2, #1302 of 1876 🔗

Nice to hear of low outdoor maskage even with all the hysteria there.

201609 Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 8, #1303 of 1876 🔗

Apologies if already posted, but Great Barrington now has a comprehensive rebuttal to the many ‘let it rip’ slurs:

https://gbdeclaration.org/frequently-asked-questions/

201620 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Tyneside Tigress, -7, #1304 of 1876 🔗

They don’t seem to be listening to anyone but what they want to hear, they’ve been compromised

201627 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #1305 of 1876 🔗

Who is “they” and how have “they” been compromised?

201774 ▶▶ annie, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 5, #1306 of 1876 🔗

This puts the truth in a nutshell:

“Do you believe in herd immunity?
Yes. Herd immunity is a scientifically proven phenomenon. To ask an epidemiologist if they believe in herd immunity is like asking a physicist if they believe in gravity. Those who deny herd immunity may also wish to join the flat-earth society.”

Presumably the entire cabinet, the entire Labour Party, the entire Welsh and Scottish pseudogovernments, and all Imperial College pseudoscientists are fully paid-up members of the Flat Earth Society.

201610 Hail, replying to Hail, 9, #1307 of 1876 🔗

A long-run review of death rates in Belarus (graph) including the Wuhan-Corona pandemic of 2020 puts this one severe flu wave in context, against what serious economic and social dislocations can do to people, which is to say why Lockdown-ism is crazy and wrongheaded. (In this case, the Soviet-bloc collapse.)

https://hailtoyou.wordpress.com/2020/10/22/against-the-corona-panic-part-xviii-lessons-from-no-lockdown-belarus-on-the-wuhan-corona-flu-wave-the-total-mortality-impact-is-in-line-with-previous-peak-flu-waves-and-dwarfed-by-effects-of-soviet/

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Notice the long-excess of the post-Soviet disruption is as a mountain against the Wuhan-Corona molehill. Major social-economic disruption in principle could of course do the same in the fanatic-lockdown regimes.

“Major social and economic disruptions kill. Lockdowns cause social-economic disruptions. Ergo, Lockdowns kill.”

201825 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Hail, #1308 of 1876 🔗

Interesting stuff. thanks.

You refer to Neil Ferguson as Niall in fourth para below “The Two Lessons of Belarus” sub-heading. That’s a very different Ferguson!

Also, interested that you refer to this covid as “flu” throughout. It would be more accurate to refer to it as a “common cold” virus, since it is not the same kind of virus as influenza. Is this just using the term as a generic for seasonal respiratories, or do you have another reason for this usage?

201844 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Hail, 1, #1309 of 1876 🔗

Very interesting.Thanks.Belarus has also an increase of cases again in the seasonal wave but much lower than neighbouring lockdown masked Poland and partially lockdowned halfmasked neighbouring Russia which have much worse figures. The final figures of these three countries,the same latitude would give us the answer if Belarus non SD non lockdown will have a better outcome than lockdown response.

201612 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 14, #1310 of 1876 🔗

Italy. Best example of that it is impossible to stop this virus. Lockdown won’t work, SD impossible in the end to stop a respiratory virus. The only thing is to increase hospital capacity, tell sick people to stay home and stop mass testing which is useless when the level of 1% of population infected. Very likely people get infected standing in line for test. Curfews etc meaningless and most likely increase transmission to elderly from young people confined to their homes.
“Terrifying. Sobering. Italy did everything “right” to stop a second wave. It came anyway. Health ministry data shows that 80.3 percent of the new infections “occur at home” while only 4.2 percent come from recreational activities and schools.”
https://twitter.com/NoahShachtman/status/1319260004768153600
 https://www.thedailybeast.com/italy-did-everything-right-to-stop-a-second-wave-of-the-coronavirus-so-what-went-wrong

201633 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to swedenborg, 6, #1311 of 1876 🔗

Time to ban being at home I think. Everyone to live on the streets.

201846 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1312 of 1876 🔗

But of the 16000 cases today 80% are asymptomatic.The table clearly shows this is a disease for the elderly just as in the spring peak.

201613 DRW, replying to DRW, 15, #1313 of 1876 🔗

Just saying my expressed negative outlook is not intended to demoralise. I have absolutely
nothing against the optimists on here, and in fact encourage them to prove me wrong.
In fact I want to believe them. But all of us have our own experiences and mine is mainly
one of a still sucked in, compliant majority, unquestioning of all the theatrics that makes me very despondent when I see it. Hence why I’m now reclusive and am very uncomfortable about having to actually attend my university hellhole campus. This isn’t to say I don’t welcome good news but it’s still so difficult to reconcile that with what I see on the ground.

201622 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to DRW, 3, #1314 of 1876 🔗

KBO. Keep up with your course. Look after yourself.

Sorry for sounding like your mother.

201625 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to DRW, #1315 of 1876 🔗

Funny – your posts are quite encouraging but I can’t quite work out why!

201626 ▶▶ Julian, replying to DRW, 3, #1316 of 1876 🔗

The situation in universities makes me very cross, for personal reasons. I hope it gets better.

I know it’s easier said than done, but try to find some fellow sceptics at Uni with whom you can spend time.

I am fairly reclusive at the moment and in some ways happy to be so because non-sceptics are not good for me and it would end in tears, but close family and some friends are with me and that support is crucial.

201640 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to DRW, 16, #1317 of 1876 🔗

DRW, I’m one of those ‘optimists’. Probably not the right word, as I’m deeply concerned for your generation as a mother of a 20 year-old university student and an 18 year-old on a gap year. The tide is turning, and I’m always guided by a quote from Chaucer’s Nun’s Priest’s Tale – ‘murder will out’ (it was the last time for many years I studied anything other than maths, chemistry, biology or combinations of those three!). This will end very quickly, brutally and unexpectedly, much like the fall of the Berlin wall and Nicolae Ceausescu. Please try to engage with your fellow students as I am sure there are many who feel the same way as you do. Stay strong.

201653 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 4, #1318 of 1876 🔗

I so hope you are right!

201758 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #1319 of 1876 🔗

We keep saying that the tide is turning. I trust that it us, but by God, we need patience – and eventually, not so much a tide as a tsunami, to sweep these foul people away for ever.

201642 ▶▶ calchas, replying to DRW, 7, #1320 of 1876 🔗

DRW,

I count myself as one of the optimists.

The measures are only followed as they are because they have the force of law, because they are backed with huge fines and possible imprisonment, because the government is spewing money to buy consent and because a massive censorship and propaganda campaign holds the narrative in place for much of the population.

Don’t think that just because the hordes are running around in masks that they are on board with everything. They are going along to get along.That will continue untilit doesn’t.

The narrative is fraying by the day. The financial situation is clearly unsustainable.Eventually, all they will have left will be force.

In my opinion the really explosive events in this story are still to come, to be generated by the economy and the financial situation.

Multiple social, political and economic factors are unsustainable,

201649 ▶▶ LS99, replying to DRW, #1321 of 1876 🔗

My son was complaining about something similar so I suggested he got himself a Carl Vernon t-shirt (the one with the sunglasses moment from They Live https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiMLJAZajxg ) and just see what happens.

https://teespring.com/get-they-live

201656 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to DRW, 15, #1322 of 1876 🔗

I am also one of these optimists. I was actually thinking about your comments today, and how I would respond to you. I know it seems like everyone is obeying these measures, but trust me when I say that people are beginning to see through the BS. I’ve spoken to many people within and without my circle and they all think it’s ludicrous. You may see people scuttling around with masks on, but I have the feeling that the vast majority of people are just going along with it because they’re worried about getting slapped with a huge fine, or suffering social ostracism if seen without a mask etc. It takes a lot of balls to go maskless when everyone else is covered up. Most people just want a quiet life.

My bf also monitors the BBC comments section because he sees it as a ‘litmus test’ of the nation’s mood and it used to be very pro-lockdown back in April/May, but it’s been very sceptical of late which is good to see.

I think a lot of people are very fed up and want this to end but aren’t really sure what they can do and are still just waiting for the government to end it all for them. I think the government will end it eventually due to unpopularity, they probably only have the political capital to try one more lockdown this winter (as unpopular as it will be) and then that’ll be it once we move into the lighter days of spring. Then it will have been a whole year in lockdown and we will have done all the seasons etc. Once we’ve got through a winter with Covid (which I don’t think will be very difficult) then they won’t have a leg to stand on. The money can’t go on forever either.

201764 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Poppy, 3, #1323 of 1876 🔗

Well said, Poppy.
There will come a time when everybody except the terminal zombies will look around and realise that everybody is still alive and there is no pandemic and never was,

201797 ▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to DRW, #1324 of 1876 🔗

I keep deluding myself that the tide is turning, but I’m starting to resign myself to the fact that the rare good news stories are only gaining any currency or airtime because they are exactly that – rare – and therefore “news”.

Staying optimistic is really hard. But we have this site; and what optimism I still have mostly derives from the knowledge that there are others who feel this way, and that I’m not completely alone.

201623 Binra, 3, #1325 of 1876 🔗

Another name for a conspiracy to harm is war by stealth, guile and deceit.
All the while we parley in the frame of carefully laid deceits of feigned incompetence, the further the tightening of regulatory structures grows around whatever freedom we still have but do not recognise because we seek reasonable response from those who are ‘playing us ‘ at every turn.

The cancel culture is rooted far deeper as an embodiment of the very thing it hates and seeks to destroy; namely systemic corruption in the human mind, identity, and learned or conditioned psychology,

The denial of God effects the denial of the Individual human being, by masking in rationalisations of a material system that is then leveraged, captured and controlled as the personification of control set over life.

The means to effect this is technologism which in terms of things is the marketisation and weaponisation of science, and in terms of fellow human beings is the intent to capture, manipulate and use people to gain the power of the system by which to then tool them to the controller’s will or design, which includes engaging the means to set them against their own good and against each other so as to allow the culling and cowing of those who remain without the means to support themselves without necessary services or contest their state.

The key to deceit is it induces us to use our mind to act against our true good.
As those already invested in self illusion are set to cling on and fight or flight (hide) rather than re-evaluate in a true light, the attempt to reach them is merely ‘babel’ and the madness feeds upon itself like a forest fire given air.

Where does the deceit find a basis of allegiance and support – ie a back door in your own thinking by which to use you as a proxy for its ‘revolution?

Perhaps in part from the unwillingness to look upon the evil of our own consequence, result or condition. I do NOT see evil as a basis from which to make an identity or validate a lack of substance by setting against it. But nor do I see its denial or masking over as actually addressing and undoing its effect in our minds, relationships and world.

Truly addressing something, is uncovering the causes where they are, rather than engaging in diversionary tactic that flags or assigns it to where it is not. The mind is a master of displacement, and we have generated a worldview of psychic displacements that can be warred on forever as a means to KEEP the problem, protect it from healing or resolution and use it as a basis for power over life while claiming moral authority.

Captured opposition doesn’t have to know it is effectively a proxy to serve the function, But the answers are always hidden behind that which we judge and identify against and so effectively exclude. This is never about persons, but principles, and the intent and ability to wall out no-go areas of thought, reveals where priority is being given.

201624 Cranmer, replying to Cranmer, 8, #1326 of 1876 🔗

The Canary Islands, Mykonos and the Maldives have just come off the government’s banned list. I’m not sure what the restrictions are from their own governments. But if there were a conspiracy to kill off international air travel for ordinary people, then it would seem an odd move.

201631 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Cranmer, 11, #1327 of 1876 🔗

It makes little difference when the threat of changes is still on the cards. All my clients desperate to travel, few with with masks and threat of quarantine. Also additional cost is tests required barrier to travel.

On the plus side, 2 bookings made today.

201650 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Sarigan, 2, #1328 of 1876 🔗

Excellent!

201638 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Cranmer, 4, #1329 of 1876 🔗

The problem is that the situation is so uncertain and subject to erratic government interference. It requires a lot of pre planning for an airline to commence regular flights to a location. Ground handling, maintenance, customer service and airport arrangements have to be put in place. The continuous chopping and changing makes this very difficult.

201644 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Cranmer, 4, #1330 of 1876 🔗

Suspect some senior MPs and government advisers have their holidays booked there for half term – cameras at the ready anyone!

201647 ▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to Cranmer, 3, #1331 of 1876 🔗

The Canaries have managed to dodge the worst of the virus at all stages despite their heavily urban population and tourists. Lots of sunshine and everyone loves the beach, so maybe it’s the Vitamin D?

201681 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Cranmer, 7, #1332 of 1876 🔗

I love travel but am going nowhere under these conditions.

What’s the point.

Going ‘on holiday’ from one part of a prison to another.

201768 ▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to calchas, #1333 of 1876 🔗

Exactly. I’m not going anywhere where they have mandatory muzzles anywhere, which pretty much rules out everywhere apart from Sweden.

202007 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to calchas, #1334 of 1876 🔗

Anyone on here who does want to go for it though, and doesn’t already have their own friendly sceptic travel agent needing support, could use Sarigan (or any others on this page in the travel game?).

201710 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Cranmer, #1335 of 1876 🔗

They have already done the damage.People won’t be able to afford a holiday next year

201654 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 1, #1336 of 1876 🔗

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-54648194 -this is just cruel -but what can anyone one do to stop it?

201658 ▶▶ Telpin, replying to arfurmo, #1337 of 1876 🔗

So alcohol is essential- to quiet the masses.

201673 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to arfurmo, 7, #1338 of 1876 🔗

So apparently the justification for stopping supermarkets from selling ‘non-essentials’ is because it’s unfair on small businesses selling non-essentials who will be forced to close. But people will just turn to online shopping for non-essentials, so those small businesses will suffer anyway. Imagine policing what people buy and then causing more damage in the process. Total clowns.

201689 ▶▶ l835, replying to arfurmo, 5, #1339 of 1876 🔗

In March they sucked the joy out of living. Now they’ve removed the hope.

201753 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to arfurmo, 4, #1340 of 1876 🔗

This get more ludicrous every day. It’s bad enough making people wear masks and queue to get into the shops but now they’re dictating what we can buy. When are the masked masses going to start kicking back??

201655 NickR, replying to NickR, 3, #1341 of 1876 🔗

Can this be right? The Welsh Government (which primarily means the English taxpayer) is subsidising funerals of Covid fatalities from low income families. Maybe an incentive to ask the doctor to stick covid on the death certificate? https://gov.wales/advice-bereaved-coronavirus-covid-19#section-43605Financial assistance
During the pandemic, families may need extra financial support, particularly people who are not in receipt of income-related benefits, to help meet the cost of funeral expenses.

The Department for Work and Pension’s funeral expenses payments are available for people on a low income and claiming certain benefits or tax credits who need help to pay for a funeral they are arranging. It can help pay the burial fees for a particular plot; cremation fees, including the cost of the doctor’s certificate, the death certificate, travel to arrange or go to the funeral and the costs of moving the body within the UK if it is being moved more than 50 miles. In addition, financial assistance of up to £1,000 is available for other funeral expenses, such as the funeral director’s fees, flowers and coffin.

The UK Government also offers bereavement support payments , which are a one-off tax-free payment provided to the spouse or civil partner of someone who has died. This is a way to help with funeral costs, even for those not in receipt of benefits. The one-off payment is £2,500 or £3,500 if someone is in receipt of Child Benefit, followed by 18 monthly payments of £100 (£350 for those in receipt of Child Benefit).
Additional financial support might also be available to help from UK Government Budgeting Loans or Universal Credit Budgeting Advances .

201751 ▶▶ annie, replying to NickR, 1, #1342 of 1876 🔗

Bereavement support?
It used to mean people coming to the funeral. And behaving towards you like human beings.

201744 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Joseph Collins, #1344 of 1876 🔗

She’s makes a very strong case there

201665 Edward, replying to Edward, 27, #1345 of 1876 🔗

I’ve been out & about in the countryside today so I won’t have time to read the 1100+ comments. Good to see so much activity on the site.

A couple of decades or more ago, if I went for a long walk I tried to be self-sufficient, carrying enough food & drink to see me through the day. In more recent years I’ve succumbed to the temptations of pubs & cafés and often included one or two such refreshment stops along the way. Now I’m returning to my earlier habits, saving a few pounds which would otherwise go to these businesses, because:
1. Can’t be bothered with all the track & trace garbage, even if a manual version is available. Assuming I do it honestly (not a certainty):
(a) Objection in principle to my whereabouts being monitored.
(b) Concern about illegal retention and misuse of my data for marketing purposes etc.
(c) Concern about the chance of being told to self-isolate on probably dubious grounds or outright errors in the system.
2. Can’t be bothered with possibly having to argue about mask exemption. I don’t shy away from confrontation if it’s necessary but I don’t actively seek it.

Does anybody go into a pub or café and think “This is great! They’re very strict with the track & trace and the mask wearing! I really enjoy putting it on/taking it off when I stand up/sit down! These waitresses/waiters have such attractive eyes! (can’t see the rest of their faces) I feel very safe in here and I’m really enjoying the experience!”
More likely, anyone who would think like that will be too scared to go there at all.

For the record, today I had a pork pie, cheese roll, KitKat, apple and a bottle of water.

201675 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Edward, 3, #1346 of 1876 🔗

feel very safe in here and I’m really enjoying the experience – nailed it!

I for one do not need anybody to keep me safe and do not enjoy the experience.

201686 ▶▶ l835, replying to Edward, 4, #1347 of 1876 🔗

You are right. Interrogation on entry, sit where you are told. Don’t talk to or look at other customers.

201690 ▶▶ Shep, replying to Edward, #1348 of 1876 🔗

Edward, totally feel the same when I am at the beach, seems the only place with peace.

201731 ▶▶ richmond, replying to Edward, #1349 of 1876 🔗

Absolutely. Walk in in a good mood. Walk out in a foul temper. What’s the point if you can avoid it?

201749 ▶▶ annie, replying to Edward, 5, #1350 of 1876 🔗

We never go near a pub, café or restaurant these days. Can’t take the s..t. Formerly, we ate out at least once a week, and dropped in for coffee somewhere mid-morning.

And now all Welsh eateries are being closed anyway. A lot of good their servile obedience has done them so far.

201669 JulieR, replying to JulieR, 3, #1351 of 1876 🔗

I spoke to a colleague today whose husband is Indian. I asked her what the situation is like there.
She said they didn’t have many deaths as young population, sunshine and they use ayurvedic medicine.
But the economy is suffering.

201679 ▶▶ calchas, replying to JulieR, 1, #1352 of 1876 🔗

Very few care homes – ie concentrated vulnerable population.

201693 ▶▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to calchas, 7, #1353 of 1876 🔗

Also – apart from the wealthy and Kerala – access to healthcare is poor and so very, very sick old people tend to die before they get to the state they do in the west.

More people are dying in the west because we keep people hanging on far longer than is natural

201766 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to JulieR, 5, #1354 of 1876 🔗

I suspect the rushed lockdown in India did far more harm than the virus ever could. Pakistan virtually abandoned their lockdown early on and they are doing fine.

202076 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Chicot, #1355 of 1876 🔗

That is because Imran has courage..

201678 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 4, #1356 of 1876 🔗

The more I think about this the more I really find I agree with myself…..

They really thought that technology would save the day if this ever happened. They were so “smart” that prep was not necessary. We lived in the global age where a vaccine would be quick and easy and how could the smart ape not be smart enough to cope. SARS and MERS were obvious examples of how bad it is, have a cigar and relax world.

And when it looked like they had bollocked up their response and they were not in control and this could actually be worse than anything ever, global leaderships panic set in and try to show control…..

And everything else follows. Lack of prep and panic = absolute shit show.

201702 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Leemc23, 2, #1357 of 1876 🔗

I agree with yourself, more or less. I think the fact that the most powerful person in global medicine, is actually a tech salesman says a lot more on how we have a mistaken belief in technology, being the cure for every problem. Add to that a clash of cultures and ideologies, organisations that are embedded with corruption/incompetence and you have a perfect storm.

201684 swedenborg, 8, #1358 of 1876 🔗

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1319350579907313665.html
The best twitter thread with all relevant publications showing no effect of masks in excellent links

201696 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #1359 of 1876 🔗

“Previously, the CDC described a close contact as someone who spent 15 minutes or more within six feet of someone who was infectious. Now, the agency says it’s someone who spent a cumulative 15 minutes or more within six feet of someone who was infectious over 24 hours, even if the time isn’t consecutive, according to an agency spokesperson.”

Double down.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/10/21/cumulative-time-covid-19-spread/

201721 ▶▶ richmond, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 9, #1360 of 1876 🔗

Either they cough over you or they don’t. Time has nothing to do with it. It’s just drivel.

You might just as well say 15 minutes within six feet, or 30 minutes within twelve feet, or one month within three miles for that matter. It would make as much sense.

201887 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to richmond, 1, #1361 of 1876 🔗

Just talking can spread the virus.
https://www.pnas.org/content/117/22/11875
The airborne lifetime of small speech droplets and their potential importance in SARS-CoV-2 transmission “These observations confirm that there is a substantial probability that normal speaking causes airborne virus transmission in confined environments. “.

201939 ▶▶▶▶ ColoradoGirl, replying to swedenborg, #1362 of 1876 🔗

Breathing does.

202203 ▶▶▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to ColoradoGirl, #1363 of 1876 🔗

Correct.But in talking and breathing aerosol particles rather close to the person,therefore distancing can help a bit.But sometimes aerosol spread over longer distances especially loud talk,singing much depending upon ventilation.

201901 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to richmond, 3, #1364 of 1876 🔗

I can statistically say that if I am over 60 miles and 1670 hours away from my work colleagues I am 93% likely to be negative from a PCR test (7% false posits rate)

I can also say that in the height of a global pandemic with my office in a public building being in a public area with lifts, touch points, cafe, exhibition space, corridors and hundreds of different people every day that I found my self 100% immune to Covid.

….And I travelled on a train for 45 minutes and a tube for 30 minutes twice every single fucking day during the height of it. And I have pre existing significant health conditions !! Which have seen me take zero ZERO sick leave days in over 5 years….

Where is my bubble ? Where is my panic. Where is my victim card ? It’s nowhere because I am 100% not stupid, am in control of my life and my environment and understand life is for living not hiding.

201880 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1365 of 1876 🔗

In NZ they have a confirmed transmission with only 3 min contact in its latest cluster.They now are considering that even such contacts with only 3 min (which was earlier called casual contacts) might have to be isolating 2 weeks. This is aerosol transmission which no masks can stop and with SD very difficult to avoid.(Was it 3 m from all persons the only way to protect yourself for common cold virus in the Salisbury experiment 50 years ago?)

201913 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1366 of 1876 🔗

This is the original report
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6943e1.htm?s_cid=mm6943e1_w

An absolute read.Devastating for all maskfantics,eyegoggles Fauci!
One prison worker dressed in gown,goggles,mask,plastic gloves had about 1-2 minute contact with 6 asymptomatic prisoners with mask. That was consecutve 17 min over a 24 hour period and obviusly the prisonworker got the disease.This is aerosol transmission and masks don’t stop it.It is almost laughable that CDC now publish study after study where you can read in detail that masks are useless but they don’t say it yet!

201698 sky_trees, replying to sky_trees, 4, #1367 of 1876 🔗

Both Oxford and RBWM applied for Tier 2 restrictions and have been denied, it seems (RBWM later clarified they were asking for a ‘review’ to check they were in the best tier to avoid Tier 3; but originally they stated they were requesting that national government consider moving RBWM to tier 2). Are they just after some cash?! The eagerness of some officials for lockdown is disappointing.

201733 ▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to sky_trees, 1, #1368 of 1876 🔗

Stoke volunteered and were accepted which just shows you should never volunteer

201786 ▶▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to 6097 Smith W, #1369 of 1876 🔗

Stoke’s “The North”, you see.

201795 ▶▶ leggy, replying to sky_trees, #1370 of 1876 🔗

Read about Oxfordshire earlier. Outrageous.

201813 ▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to sky_trees, 7, #1371 of 1876 🔗

Many councils have lost huge amounts of cash eg from car parking and rents and are desperately trying to raise funds to stop having to place staff on furlough etc. There’s a lot of self interest

201835 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Yawnyaman, #1372 of 1876 🔗

For anyone in stoke it may irk you somewhat to learn that Edinburgh council owns and/or runs the car parks on festival park. Look it up Edinburgh council.

201699 Brian D, replying to Brian D, 13, #1373 of 1876 🔗

This may sound silly but could I recommend that from now onwards we always spell covid in lowercase? I noticed recently it is nearly always written as Covid or even COVID. This use of the uppercase serves to highlight the word and I have no doubt this has been deliberate by those who seek to continually highlight it. The same goes for sars-cov-2. After all we don’t usually say ‘Billy Bignose has a Cold or Flu or Influenza’.

201703 ▶▶ Arkansas, replying to Brian D, 1, #1374 of 1876 🔗

“SARS” is an acronym though, hence its capitalisation (and the “CoV” sort of is, being a contraction).

201711 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Arkansas, 1, #1375 of 1876 🔗

covid (if Brian prefers) stands for coronavirus disease, hence capitals in acronym too.

201720 ▶▶▶▶ Brian D, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #1376 of 1876 🔗

Haha (or haha) – it’s just seeing all the psychological manipulation they’ve thrown at us and this appears (to me) to be part of it. Maybe (probably) I’m just overthinking these things.

201732 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bella, replying to Brian D, 1, #1377 of 1876 🔗

Snafu (perfectly describes this bollocks) is also an acronym and most generally don’t capitalise that

201747 ▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Brian D, 1, #1378 of 1876 🔗

Yes – psychological manipulation. Like making sure everyone parrots their Newspeak words: Shield, Safe, Self-isolation, Social-distancing – as well as the worst one ”CASES”. (They probably couldn’t think of an ‘S’ word there.)

201716 ▶▶▶ Brian D, replying to Arkansas, #1379 of 1876 🔗

Fair point on the SARS bit.

201712 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Brian D, 2, #1380 of 1876 🔗

Apologies, my phone always corrects covid to COVID!

201730 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 2, #1381 of 1876 🔗

Mines does that also. Despite not typing the word in capitals.

201729 ▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to Brian D, #1382 of 1876 🔗

Kung flu or bat sniffles

201775 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to 6097 Smith W, 1, #1383 of 1876 🔗

Bats are the only mammal that flies. Such is the energy use for a mammal to fly with those funny leathery wings.. scientists think this is why the animal has an immune system that just accomodates viruses rather than waste energy like other mammals fighting viruses… hgence why scientists like to study bats.. they coexist with lots of viruses.. yet don’t get sick.

201739 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Brian D, #1384 of 1876 🔗

Very good point. Thank you.

201767 ▶▶ Sylvie, replying to Brian D, 1, #1385 of 1876 🔗

One of those decisions I think I’ll make myself, thank you.:-)

201794 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Brian D, 1, #1386 of 1876 🔗

It’s not silly. I’ve been very consciously de-capitalising words of late.

covid
government
minister
lockdown
law
great reset
parliament
new normal
police

None them deserve any emphasis as far as I’m concerned.

201808 ▶▶ matt, replying to Brian D, #1387 of 1876 🔗

Autocorrect wants it capitalised and I can’t often be bothered to correct the autocorrect

201954 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to matt, #1388 of 1876 🔗

Same with blm

201706 wat tyler, replying to wat tyler, 6, #1389 of 1876 🔗

Please listen to Mike Yeadon on the Delingpod on youtube .It’s one of the best yet ,so listen and get all your friends to do too.

201777 ▶▶ Templeton, replying to wat tyler, #1390 of 1876 🔗

There a link for that please?

201812 ▶▶▶▶ Templeton, replying to Crazy Times, #1392 of 1876 🔗

ta muchly

201785 ▶▶ leggy, replying to wat tyler, #1393 of 1876 🔗

I’m half hour in and have already mailed it out.

201839 ▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to leggy, #1394 of 1876 🔗

Great .If this man is right then sage and the government are finished .

201709 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 6, #1395 of 1876 🔗

https://twitter.com/MacaesBruno/status/1318574993278668801/photo/1
 In the middle of July Dr Fauci said that the Europe’s lockdowns had been successful. He said that opening up in the US at that time and the surge in the summer cases in the Southern states showed the dangers of opening up. Look at the death chart. Now Europe is quickly going up again. The lockdowns were useless. And Fauci spectacular wrong again.

201726 ▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to swedenborg, #1396 of 1876 🔗

But how do we escape

201821 ▶▶ Bill h, replying to swedenborg, 2, #1397 of 1876 🔗

Borg,

As always, and right from the start, you are the MAN!

of course, should you identify with any other of the many available genderi, you are still up there.

Cheers

201714 Nigel Sherratt, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 3, #1398 of 1876 🔗

‘Long Covid’ makes me think of ‘Long pig’ and zombie coronanist cannibals.

201735 ▶▶ annie, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #1399 of 1876 🔗

They are devouring us, or rather, our lives, to ‘protect’ their vile little selves.

201742 ▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 4, #1400 of 1876 🔗

As I’ve got older I suffer from Long Hangovers

201826 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to tonyspurs, 2, #1401 of 1876 🔗

I’m suffering from Long Being Alive…

201724 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 8, #1402 of 1876 🔗

Reading that petition that’s being launched re ”protecting” the over 65s – am I the only one thinking that this person must be ”aving a larf”?

Or has it never occurred to him that most people would rather make their own decisions (regardless of age or state of health) or does he REALLY believe it’s up to the government to tell us how to live our lives at ANY age?

201745 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Banjones, 3, #1403 of 1876 🔗

Totally agree. In a free society people should be allowed to make that decision for themselves. That is what his/her petition should be calling for, as if a petition were actually needed for such a thing.

201782 ▶▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Ceriain, 6, #1404 of 1876 🔗

‘In a free society people should be allowed …’
this SHOULD read:
‘In a free society people are entitled …’
The word ‘allow’ signifies permission which invites the question ‘from whom?’.

201792 ▶▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Stephanos, 7, #1405 of 1876 🔗

Exactly. In a free society people are not “allowed to ..”. nor are they granted privileges; “a driving licence (or passport) is a privilege, not a right”. Bullshit, big time!! We are entitled to things (with responsibilities in some cases), and the only privilege current in our country is the privilege we, the people, grant to government, to govern in our name for a period not exceeding five years.

And another thing – “government money”. Bullshit! No such thing. Governments don’t have any money. It’s tax payers’ money.

201884 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Stephanos, #1406 of 1876 🔗

Absolutely correct! My error; poor choice of words on my part.

201784 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Ceriain, #1407 of 1876 🔗

That pass was sold, rather, with the seatbelt laws, wasn’t it?

201896 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Banjones, 3, #1408 of 1876 🔗

And last year the Government was upping the pension age as people were living longer and were fit to work at 66 years old. Now we want to protect the 65 year olds. Christ !

201725 CGL, replying to CGL, 35, #1409 of 1876 🔗

Email reply to Tesco update on how they are helping me to stay safe (grrrrrrrr) –

“We will not be visiting any of your stores (and therefore making any of the impulse purchases we normally would) until the ridiculous masks and t&t games are over.

The virus is NOT anything like as dangerous as the criminally manipulated figures would suggest. Please just look at the official data properly instead of the selected bits the government decides to show on the weekly fear-porn show.

We have been doing a click and collect shop with you, but if we receive even one more of these propaganda emails we will click and collect elsewhere.

Please remove us from the mailing list for these sickening emails. If I wanted your protection I would have asked for it.

If you and other retailers want to keep our custom, you should be standing against our tyrannical government, not propping them up. They are killing your customers – not a good long term strategy for you really I wouldn’t think.

Regards

201737 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to CGL, 12, #1410 of 1876 🔗

Well said indeed. I don’t go into any premises that have one-way arrows or demand personal details just to give them my money. I walk out if they start playing the same silly, pointless, patronising words over their tannoy telling me to ”Shop Safe” (at least they could use correct grammar) or how I must keep two metres away from people in a four-foot wide aisle. As you say, if we want their ”protection” we’ll ask for it. Which brings me back to that ridiculous petition, as I mention below.

Incidentally, I NEVER wear a muzzle. A light piece of breathable, see-through silk serves, IF I get close to someone who looks terrified.

201741 ▶▶▶ RichT, replying to Banjones, 6, #1411 of 1876 🔗

I have no choice I work at the bloody place, like walking around a dystopian science fiction movie :(.

201750 ▶▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to RichT, 1, #1412 of 1876 🔗

Are you (Tesco) now haranguing customers into this Test and Trace crap?

201756 ▶▶▶▶▶ RichT, replying to Tenchy, 4, #1413 of 1876 🔗

Not me, ever!. The constant we have have introduced some social distancing measures blah blah baa over the tannoy make want to puke.

201769 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to RichT, 6, #1414 of 1876 🔗

Of course the real culprits are Bozo and Handjob, but Tesco like others, should be doing only the absolute minimum necessary and they all need to stop harassing their customers, which is the height of madness.

Like CGL, I now only buy on line and then only the bare essentials needed to fend off starvation. I wrote to Jason Plonker the Tesco CEO some weeks ago when his tirade against unmasked customers appeared in my in box, but needless to say he hasn’t replied.

201780 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ RichT, replying to Rowan, 4, #1415 of 1876 🔗

They are a corporate monster who have taken a massive rates relief package to bring in these bullshit measures (worth £585 Million, most of which they paid to their shareholders). What more can I say.

201890 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Rowan, 4, #1416 of 1876 🔗

Shops (controllers of premises) are legally required to undertake evidence-based health and safety risk assessments.

If there is no evidence of a significant danger, no mitigation is required. Therefore, legally speaking it’s reasonable to assume that no NO restrictive measure is required in a retail setting. If one way systems, Gimp masks and hair gel are all in place it’s there only because someone daft has assumed they needed it all.

As for the overarching “law” well. Sorry the law is an ass. You can’t introduce non evidence based measures, not consider the risks they offer and get away with it. It’s only a matter of time till someone with money takes them to court. And wins.

201765 ▶▶▶▶▶ RichT, replying to Tenchy, 5, #1417 of 1876 🔗

Probably in the cafe. unfortunately where I work hardly any staff questioning anything. I feel very alone.

201829 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Banjones, #1418 of 1876 🔗

I just smile nicely at those people.

201787 ▶▶ leggy, replying to CGL, 1, #1419 of 1876 🔗

Tell them!

201989 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to leggy, #1420 of 1876 🔗

I’m doing my damndest to

201788 ▶▶ Che Strazio, replying to CGL, 6, #1421 of 1876 🔗

Yep!
Rattle their cage a bit more! The Government has not done a Risk Assessment but it continues to be the business’s responsibility! The government has effectively thrown them under the bus…lets remind them! Dear Tesco, could you, please, provide me with a copy of the Risk assessment for…? ( I asked Asda and Sainsbury’s for the risk assessment on the face coverings they were “distributing” )

201892 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Che Strazio, 4, #1422 of 1876 🔗

Bang on. Ask. And when it comes back, if it does. Remind them. . If there is no evidence of a significant danger, no mitigation is required. Risk Assessments need to be evidence based.

At the moment retail especially might as well do a Risk Assessment for a potential alien invasion. On the off chance it could happen.

201971 ▶▶▶ RichT, replying to Che Strazio, 2, #1423 of 1876 🔗

How about all the training in PPE they have not provided to staff, something they can certainly be held resposible for.

201734 tonyspurs, replying to tonyspurs, 15, #1424 of 1876 🔗

When did people start getting flu jabs to protect others? priming people ready for the Kung Flu jab eh?

201752 ▶▶ Peter Thompson, replying to tonyspurs, 2, #1425 of 1876 🔗

Actually it is how the flu jab works. In essence it promotes that wicked word ” herd immnunity. It reduces the number of people susceptable to infection. Of course people still get flu and some die because it is only 50-75 % effective.
Des will explain it ;
https://twitter.com/DesmondSwayne/status/1319298302538645504

201759 ▶▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to Peter Thompson, 15, #1426 of 1876 🔗

I understand that, but in my life I’ve never ever heard anyone say they’re getting their flu jab not to protect themselves but to protect the public

201830 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to tonyspurs, 6, #1427 of 1876 🔗

Yes it is vaccine creep. SEPI mission statement to ensure strong markets for vaccines. Social shaming/guilt is an important marketing tool. Coercion by ones peers, or peer pressure with the public relatiins propaganda stripped away.

There is no sense in trying to understand the reasoning.

201853 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Basics, 4, #1428 of 1876 🔗

The word vaccine is being phased out. Jab/Spray etc. Less malign. Watch out for it. It’s intentional

201772 ▶▶▶ merlin, replying to Peter Thompson, 3, #1429 of 1876 🔗

50-75 pct effective???? Do you work for a vaccine maker. More like 10-60 pct.

202083 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to merlin, #1430 of 1876 🔗

Yes. Last year it was 17% effective.

201889 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Peter Thompson, 2, #1431 of 1876 🔗

If they were 100% effective we should be really worried – because vaccines don’t make old lungs healthy and young again. Old people’s lungs are still the perfect playground for pathogens. If you remove flu and Covid other novel pathogens will take up residence. That should ring alarm bells. Something truly deadly to young as well as old – something like Spanish Flu – might take up this environmental niche left vacant by vaccines.

201754 ▶▶ DRW, replying to tonyspurs, 10, #1432 of 1876 🔗

When lockdowns and muzzling was successfully marketed under the “protect others” shit it was inevitable it would eventually done for vaccination. That’s just a warm up for the next big round of propaganda.

201773 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to tonyspurs, 2, #1433 of 1876 🔗

“I get my flu inoculation to protect my mates” . Needle, arm, injection

201820 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to tonyspurs, 2, #1434 of 1876 🔗

Imperial College.
Vomitworthy!!

201832 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Cheezilla, #1435 of 1876 🔗

Big carroty chunks.

201823 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to tonyspurs, #1436 of 1876 🔗

Er… but only elderly/vulnerable and kids get it free and even then they run out most years don’t they? So why encourage healthy people to have it?

201828 ▶▶ Basics, replying to tonyspurs, 2, #1437 of 1876 🔗

Err protecting others … that when put on a reduced heat to simmer for 30 minutes comes out as herd immunity. Yes it does. That is the principle at work when you are given a vaccine to protect the person next to you.

FUBAR.

201843 ▶▶ StevieH, replying to tonyspurs, 1, #1438 of 1876 🔗

Not for us Anglo-Saxons then?

201738 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 9, #1439 of 1876 🔗

Supermarkets told sell only essentials in Wales lockdown
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-54648194

WTAF!

201762 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Ceriain, 10, #1440 of 1876 🔗

The Welsh suicide mission is gathering pace. No doubt Bozo and Handjob will be looking to extend the madness into England if the Welsh just roll over again. Tyranny is all around us.

201778 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Rowan, 4, #1441 of 1876 🔗

When will the Welsh grow a pair and fight back.

201800 ▶▶▶▶ l835, replying to thinkaboutit, 4, #1442 of 1876 🔗

We have, but our opponent has unlimited power, and unlimited resources with no checks or balances on how they use them.

Only this morning, the barrister on Talk Radio thought that Drakeford doesn’t have the legal power to close the border with England. But he’s done it, and the police are enforcing it.

What the Welsh Assembly (not capable of being a government) is doing to us is inhuman. They are in a race to the bottom with sturgeon to see who can impose the greatest amount of suffering in order to score points from Borris.

201857 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to thinkaboutit, 5, #1443 of 1876 🔗

When will anyone grow a pair and fight back?

Was interesting to see Desmond Swayne acknowledge the extra mail from constituents; he also pointed out all MPs were receiving extra mail. We’re trying/doing our bit.

201763 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Ceriain, 5, #1444 of 1876 🔗

An exercise for the collapse of global supply chains as a result of monetary crisis?

201770 ▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1445 of 1876 🔗

Sponsored by Amazon?

201781 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Ceriain, 7, #1446 of 1876 🔗

Back in March, supermarkets (mainly indoors) could sell plants etc while garden centres (mainly outdoors) could not trade. It seemed unfair so the theory is that if your local underwear shop can’t open then it is fair that supermarkets can’t sell underwear. But of course all you do, as has been mentioned, is go online so that instead of a local business getting the trade, someone miles away gets it. I’ll put an idea into Drakeford’s head -ban delivery of all non essential goods and make people even more miserable.

201872 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1447 of 1876 🔗

I think we need a strong lock-down for at least a year in order to get on top of the problem :

Lock up Drakeford, Wee Krankie, Mr Toad et al, for the duration – with no means of communication.

… and if the key gets lost …. well … that’s just a bonus.

201875 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1448 of 1876 🔗

It won’t hold. Supermarkets will sell everything they just like they did the first time. The idiot civil servants won’t put forward a list of essential items for retailers to follow. This will be a gesture to the small shops to pretend the big shops don’t have an advantage, but of course they really do.

I’d love to see the lobbying that the giant supermarkets have put forward to keep killing small retail and forcing the masses to the big stores. I’m certain that good old profit warning Tesco made it clear to Bo Jo that they need other retail shut.

201949 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1449 of 1876 🔗

Including booze, off-licences essential outlets too. They know that banning home drinking at this stage is too soon but it will come.

201757 chaos, replying to chaos, 11, #1450 of 1876 🔗

Fuck you Davos.. and your fake man-made climate change bullshite reset.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWqUCyHWDQk

201877 ▶▶ Basics, replying to chaos, #1451 of 1876 🔗

Well, well what do you know! It is 332Km from Birchesgarten to Davos by car.

201761 calchas, 4, #1452 of 1876 🔗

Charles Hugh Smith wasn’t specifically writing about the ”pandemic’, but he could have been:

“he only hope of a return to the real world is the collapse of the entire fake, staged status quo, the collapse of every institution, every media outlet, every social-media platform, every single manifestation of marketing, cons, scams, pitches, gamed statistics, and all the frantic assurances that fake is real and real is fake because your belief in the fraud is the key to closing the sale.”

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/everything-staged

201783 merlin, replying to merlin, 9, #1453 of 1876 🔗

25 dead and counting from south korean flu vaccination programme
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-southkorea-flushot-idUSKBN277058

201818 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to merlin, #1454 of 1876 🔗

Wow!

201856 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to merlin, 3, #1455 of 1876 🔗

SK has been lauded for its low C-19 rate but they are seeing a slight increase now and with the cold dry winter coming perfect C-19 conditions. Everybody has said its test and tracking has been a success. But why don’t we hear more about what is happening? Any serological studies like in Tokyo? You got the impression that the cases were mainly in Seul and Daegu and not much in the rest of the country and most testing around specific clusters which seem to be a never-ending story since spring. The puzzling thing, they are not doing many tests per million.126 on a world scale after Dominican Republic. Are they doing any mass testing outside the clusters? What about cases in other parts of SK? How was the flu season this spring in SK? Considering that flu has disappeared in the Southern Hemisphere during their “winter” bad luck to start a massive flu vaccination campaign

201879 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1456 of 1876 🔗

The puzzling thing, they are not doing many tests per million.

They have dealt with outbreaks like this before, of course; they know how to deal with them. It could be they look out for areas with an increase in ‘unexpected’ deaths and concentrate testing there. Possible?

201948 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to swedenborg, #1457 of 1876 🔗

If I recall correctly before our own lockdown S. Korea had a worryingly high death rate until they randomly tested some tens of thousands.
This surprised them by discovering that a high proportion of the population proved to be have had the Covid already without noticing especially among the young.
Sound familiar ?
Repeat. This was before UK lockdown in March.

201789 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 10, #1458 of 1876 🔗

I have tried to list all the phrases describing what they are going to do to this virus;
Beat the virus
Suppress the virus
Defeat the virus
control the virus
whack-a-mole the virus
stop the spread of this virus
against our common enemy: coronavirus.
our fight against #coronavirus
winning the war on covid.
Then we can fight back against this virus
Crush and Contain the Coronavirus
We are making the tough decisions to get this virus down.
Beat back the virus
Push back the virus
Contain the virus
Bearing down on the virus
Get on top of this virus
curb the virus

Despite this extended lexicon of phrases I still do not have a clue what they are trying to achieve with all these lock-downs? I suspect that much of the public still think we are going for zero covid and that we will eradicate this virus although most of the powers that be do now seem to grudgingly acknowledge that elimination is not possible. But what do they think is the end game with all this? hard not to start to think that his is about more then just the virus.

201791 ▶▶ annie, replying to Steve Martindale, 26, #1459 of 1876 🔗

The elephant in the room:

LEARN TO LIVE WITH THE VIRUS, BECAUSE THERE IS NO FUCKING ALTERNATIVE.

201806 ▶▶▶ Bill h, replying to annie, 2, #1460 of 1876 🔗

Shout it out!

201822 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Bill h, 3, #1461 of 1876 🔗

Am doing!

201817 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #1462 of 1876 🔗

If you substitute plebs for virus it makes total sense.

201947 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Martindale, #1463 of 1876 🔗

Sod the virus.

Too many vested interests that don’t want the Pandemic to be declared over anytime soon.

201790 annie, replying to annie, 6, #1464 of 1876 🔗

A rational discussion from the SCP:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYmNN1J3cyY&feature=youtu.be

The only political party to oppose the shitfest. I’m backing them.

201852 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to annie, 1, #1465 of 1876 🔗

Become a member. They are as close to the money as any party I’ve seen.

201796 JYC, replying to JYC, 7, #1466 of 1876 🔗

I read Stacey Rudin’s piece for the AIER and I thought it was very perceptive, definitely worth reading. Then I read Kelly Tolhurst’s (MP) response to a constituent’s letter, reproduced above, and I wanted to weep. How is it that this country has an elected representative that is willing to put her name to that?

201803 ▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to JYC, 5, #1467 of 1876 🔗

It was a car crash of a letter, hopefully it will haunt her for ever

201804 ▶▶▶ Bill h, replying to Yawnyaman, 1, #1468 of 1876 🔗

Or, until the Tumbril Cart calls…

201836 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to JYC, #1469 of 1876 🔗

My MP writes total bollix, spewing the government line, but at least she does it in English.

201799 calchas, replying to calchas, 6, #1470 of 1876 🔗

On a rolling 5 year average basis the death rate in Wales is the lowest in years. Last graph at the bottom of this page:

https://euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/

201851 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to calchas, 2, #1471 of 1876 🔗

Should absolutely devastate the narrative, but it’s still panic stations everywhere

201867 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1472 of 1876 🔗

Because there’s always ‘in two weeks’. The sheep go along with it because they allow the thinking box to decide their reality.

201871 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to calchas, 4, #1473 of 1876 🔗

Those charts are astonishing. That looks nothing like a pandemic bad enough to destroy our lives.

201999 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to calchas, 1, #1474 of 1876 🔗

I’ve been telling this to people I meet for weeks now, but they give me this strange ‘cannot compute’ look.

201801 Smileits1984, replying to Smileits1984, 1, #1475 of 1876 🔗

This is no time for complacency..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFrdqQZ8FFc

201807 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Smileits1984, 2, #1476 of 1876 🔗

Yes – indeed the whole aburd panoply of distancing and other rules is straight out of Monty Python.

201816 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to calchas, 1, #1477 of 1876 🔗

Monty Python looks sane in comparison.

201810 Maccynic, replying to Maccynic, 28, #1478 of 1876 🔗

“He (Jason Leitch) said: “I’m hopeful costs now may get us a more family Christmas. But Christmas is not going to be normal, there’s absolutely no question about that.

“We are not going to be in large family groupings, with multiple families coming round – that is fiction for this year.”

Bugger. Off.

Unelected dentist won’t dictate family life!
Not in my house!

201841 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Maccynic, 7, #1479 of 1876 🔗

What’s the betting: are they going to ‘give’ us Christmas, at the risk of looking weak and of bursting their own narrative (as Christmas minglin will not lead to megadeath, suggesting that the lockdowns have been pointless); or will they cancel Christmas with threats of massive fines, oodles of fear porn, and lots of burley enforcers tramping the streets on Christmas morning? If they go for the latter, they do risk mass disobedience and making an inconveniently large number of martyrs. But so far, there has been precious little disobedience, so perhaps our rulers have nothing to worry about on that score.

201845 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ovis, 3, #1480 of 1876 🔗

They’ll allow Rule of Six, thus ensuring most families still can’t meet, then blame us for the “surge” (third wave) in the new year. Then back into lockdown until the summer.

201858 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to A. Contrarian, 5, #1481 of 1876 🔗

You say ‘can’t.’ What if families do meet anyway?

If the regime turns a blind eye its authority is shot; if it enforces in the teeth of large scale defiance, the regime’s legitimacy is shot. Fun times.

201848 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Maccynic, 9, #1482 of 1876 🔗

If they cancel Christmas, and the people let them, it’s over.

201861 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Ceriain, 5, #1483 of 1876 🔗

It’s never over. Just keep doing what you want to do.

201869 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 1, #1484 of 1876 🔗

It’s never over.

I certainly hope not. I just think that if the public let them away with this, the powers that be will know they can get away with just about anything.

201862 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1485 of 1876 🔗

Yes. If people go along with that, society as we have known it is dead.

201897 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Ovis, 10, #1486 of 1876 🔗

Mass non compliance is inevitable.They haven’t got the resources to police such a law and the police fining granny on Christmas Day is something they would never recover from.
There is already a lot of non observance of restrictions in Tier 2 London from normally law abiding middle class types.

201819 Basics, replying to Basics, 6, #1487 of 1876 🔗

Catching up on some of the insane detail about Christmas in krankie & leech land. This below from perhaps the most well known pub in Inverness:

“Don Lawson, owner of the Inverness bar Johnny Foxes, told the Press and Journal that the Government should ban alcohol sales in supermarkets and off-licences to save pubs.

“He said: ‘Pubs are facing an unprecedented crisis and the jobs and livelihoods of hundreds of thousands of people are in jeopardy.

‘Many of our beloved pubs are at real risk, with significantly reduced trade and increased costs as a result of questionable restrictions.”

This is biblical scale stupidity by Mr Lawson. He needs a sharp cup off coffee. He went on:

“I feel the answer to the hospitality conundrum is as follows, that the Scottish Government bans all alcohol sales in supermarkets and off-licenses, including off-sales in pubs and restaurants.

“‘Allow the sale of alcohol to be restricted to pubs and restaurants – this will boost local economies and safeguard thousands of jobs.’

“Reacting to the proposal, Stuart McPhee, the director of Siberia Aberdeen and spokesman for the Aberdeen Hospitality Group, said: ‘I’m all for trialling anything. It’s as radical an idea as any.

“‘I’ve certainly advocated a few ideas such as shutting down premises who are not following the rules.

‘We need to be working as an industry alongside the Scottish Government to find a solution, given that we’re the third-biggest employer in the country.’”

And that is how bad industry has failed in Scotland. An absolute joke. These business owners and umbrella groups have not yet grasped their risk assessments are not complete or sound. Yet they can spout thorough insane nonsense in the press as though they are impressive big shots. You men are wrong and leading the way to the ruining of your own livelihoods and that of countless thousands of others.

Source:

https://broread.com/2020/10/22/santa-is-a-key-worker-nicola-sturgeon-forced-to-make-bizarre-tv-address-to-scottish-children/

‘Santa is a key worker’: Nicola Sturgeon forced to make bizarre TV address to Scottish children

Yes that is a lie Sturgeon told today from pulpit.

201850 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Basics, 3, #1488 of 1876 🔗

They are so conflicted that any solutions put forward are in a trap. They think that if they just stick to the rules and cry for a bailout, things will be OK. Take this pathetic attempt by business leaders in Northern Ireland to save us from Coronavirus. Punished yesterday.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus/revealed-plan-to-rescue-economy-and-halt-covid-39644408.html

Their solution boils down to hand sanitiser stations in city centres. Better comms from government and Covid Marshalls

Absolutely pathetic stuff.

201868 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1489 of 1876 🔗

Taps-on for a top up as Edinburgh gets five new public refill stations
A Scotland-wide network of public water refill taps that allow people to top up their refillable bottles while on the move is being further expanded – with Edinburgh set to get five more.

Wednesday, 21st October 2020, 12:30 pm

Edinburgh news local rag for more.

~absolutely pathetic stuff~
Don’t begin to think about viral fear and communal drinking fountains.

201955 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Basics, 4, #1490 of 1876 🔗

When Krankie is thrown over a very high cliff, all the taps will run with whiskey.

201873 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1491 of 1876 🔗

Also, speakers in the city to play soothing music – i feel like saying Telford for that information but not certain. It is a genuine thing being done somewhere, intended to us all. To improve the atmosphere the news article said.

201956 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Basics, 4, #1492 of 1876 🔗

They do that in totalitarian countries, in between broadcasting. government propaganda.
Couldn’t happen here.
Oops.

201957 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1493 of 1876 🔗

Yeah, their main aim is to ‘ensure compliance’. A fully functioning slave state.

201930 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Basics, 2, #1494 of 1876 🔗

I knew once they had knackered the licenced trade they would go for the home drinkers but did not expect calls to come from that direction.

201827 stephenreid, 7, #1495 of 1876 🔗

Nick Cave appears to be pretty sceptical about lockdowns too…

https://www.theredhandfiles.com/pet-theory-your-creativity-flourish/

201838 wat tyler, replying to wat tyler, 18, #1496 of 1876 🔗

When you hear Mike Yeadon call Patrick Vallance a liar live on the Delingpod and then tell him to sue him you know it’s a good day .

201970 ▶▶ RichT, replying to wat tyler, 1, #1497 of 1876 🔗

He did this weeks ago on twitter.

201840 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1498 of 1876 🔗

My MP is one of the five Tories who voted to keep the school meals going!

https://votes.parliament.uk/Votes/Commons/Division/896

He really does seem to care and to do his best for his constituents.

Unfortunately, he also believes we’re in the middle of a deadly pandemic and that YouGov is a reliable source of info.

Can’t win em all!

201855 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1499 of 1876 🔗

Honestly, I don’t understand why school meals should be provided during half term.

201874 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 4, #1500 of 1876 🔗

There are children who only ever eat a real meal at school.

201917 ▶▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Basics, #1501 of 1876 🔗

Lazy ignorant parents, selfish spending

201992 ▶▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Andrea Salford, 1, #1502 of 1876 🔗

Well, that’s an unpleasant over-generalisation.

201953 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Basics, 1, #1503 of 1876 🔗

How cone they didn’t all starve to death while schools were. closed?

201991 ▶▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to annie, 2, #1504 of 1876 🔗

And how do you know that some didn’t starve, even if not “to death”? Using the word “all” is hyperbolic. As a former “poor child”, we rarely had enough to eat. I can’t imagine how some parents are managing to keep their kids fed now.

201882 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 4, #1505 of 1876 🔗

You clearly don’t understand the extent of the poverty that 10 years of “austerity” created in this country.
Why do you think food banks were unheard of before?

201902 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1506 of 1876 🔗

You can feed a family of four on a chicken that costs a couple of quid at the super market.

If someone gave out free money on street corners does that mean the people taking it are “poor”. Most people using food banks are not starving, they are effectively topping up their incomes.

That said I do support nutritious free school meals on the basis that we allow so many drug addicts and others to bring up children, and they simply won’t or can’t care for their children properly.

201995 ▶▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to OKUK, 7, #1507 of 1876 🔗

“Most” people using food banks, etc, etc…. An over-generalisation unless you actually work at a food bank and are privy to information about their clients.

Feeding a family of four on one chicken? Well, not if you do not have a proper kitchen to cook that chicken in. If you do not have money to pay for a refrigerator or the electricity to power it.

In my current living situation, I have a microwave and a one-ring hot plate. I guess I could make chicken soup or stew, but I don’t have enough space to store the result for any length of time so it would be breakfast, lunch and dinner. And I consider myself better off than a lot of people these days.

Can we stop with the over-generalisations, please?

202169 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to ConstantBees, #1508 of 1876 🔗

Well said. someone I know who cares for her severely disabled daughter and her grandson had to use the food bank as she was late posting her daughter’s PIP forms due to waiting for a letter from a consultant and lost all her benefits. There must be many more people in such situations.

201916 ▶▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Cheezilla, -2, #1509 of 1876 🔗

Lazy parents

201996 ▶▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Andrea Salford, 3, #1510 of 1876 🔗

Lazy post.

201927 ▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Cheezilla, #1511 of 1876 🔗

Tim Worstall is very good on this

202033 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sylvie, replying to Nessimmersion, #1512 of 1876 🔗

Can you give a link, please?

201842 RickH, replying to RickH, 14, #1515 of 1876 🔗

Just listening to Julia Hartley Brewer interviewing, in turn, Spephen Timms, Andrew Bridgen and Bernard Jenkin.

…. and this is the quality witlessness in the HoC???? Totally devoid of basic numeracy, basic knowledge and basic honesty. ???

Even total wankers have some end in sight. 🙂

201863 ▶▶ leggy, replying to RickH, 7, #1516 of 1876 🔗

Jenkin by far the most sinister, you can tell he knows.

201865 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to leggy, -4, #1517 of 1876 🔗

Anything else your crystal ball can tell you?

201864 ▶▶ John P, replying to RickH, 4, #1518 of 1876 🔗

Well I’m pleased that the fact that most MPs are not very bright (or at least not scientifically literate) is beginning to get through!

201847 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 6, #1519 of 1876 🔗

Sometimes smells carry quite far in a house between rooms even though the air is seemingly still. I was curious so I did a search on “how fast do air particles move” and this is the first thing that came up:

Not only are air particles incredibly small, they are always moving . And they move fast . At room temperature, they are going about 300 meters per second. That’s equal to about 670 miles per hour.

Think about that for a moment. Air (gas) quickly spreads to fill a space. The particles are bouncing off each other at great speed and knocking each other all over the place.

Now think about what might happen to virus particles that are small and light enough not to be overly influenced by gravity.

201854 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Nobody2020, 2, #1520 of 1876 🔗

Which is fairly close to the speed of sound at sea level. Acoustics is not my specialist area but it can’t be a coincidence.

201859 ▶▶ John P, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #1521 of 1876 🔗

I’d be cautious about making these sorts of inferences unless you have a genuine grasp of the science in these matters.

Nobody (I think I can be confident in asserting this) really knows how viruses move in air.

And viruses are very complex entities a great deal larger than individual molecules of air.

“Now think about what might happen to virus particles that are small and light enough not to be overly influenced by gravity.”

Are there any? I don’t know.

202044 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to John P, 1, #1522 of 1876 🔗

Exactly right. Over-simplistic thinking is what got us into this mess. Our brains are not suited to visualize the effects of air pressure, this is a valid job for computer modellers.

202065 ▶▶▶ Coronabonus, replying to John P, #1523 of 1876 🔗

Mike Yeadon says that virons have “bugger all” mass.

Adapnation podcast.

201876 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #1524 of 1876 🔗

Think what happens to virus particles that are exposed to oxygen and uv light!

201883 ▶▶ Maccynic, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #1525 of 1876 🔗

Air. Oxygen 2 atoms. Nitrogen 1 atom. Carbon dioxide 3 atoms.
Virus. Protein coat many molecules. Rna core many molecules. Spread in water droplets.

Ie virus much larger. And heavier. And in the water droplets.

Thus virus is not likely to be knocked about by air.

I think.

Virus not airborne per se, limited range, thus close prolonged exposure required for transmission.

201898 ▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Maccynic, 2, #1526 of 1876 🔗

Some studies have shown that virus particules can “hang” in the air for hours. It is highly unlikely they would be fixed to a single spot as if in stasis.

201904 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Nobody2020, 2, #1527 of 1876 🔗

Quite. In strong sunlight you see many thousands of motes – dust etc – floating on the air. Viruses being much smaller are going to be in there too, I’m sure.

201899 ▶▶▶ Ossettian, replying to Maccynic, 1, #1528 of 1876 🔗

“Air. Oxygen 2 atoms. Nitrogen 1 atom. Carbon dioxide 3 atoms”

What? You seriously think there’s less nitrogen than oxygen and carbon dioxide?.

202018 ▶▶▶▶ Recusant, replying to Ossettian, #1529 of 1876 🔗

I’m pretty sure Maccynic isn’t referring to the proportion of elements in air (about 80% nitrogen if I recall), but how they occur as individual molecules: O2, N CO2.

201943 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Maccynic, 1, #1530 of 1876 🔗
202009 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #1531 of 1876 🔗

We can calculate the speed of a molecule or virus from a relatively simple relationship between kinetic energy and Kelvin temperature (degrees Celsius plus 273), since the kinetic energy is proportional to temperature. Kinetic energy is proportion to the speed squared of the particle and also to its mass. If all particles in the room are at thermal equilibrium they will have the same kinetic energy . The speed of the nitrogen molecules will be around 600 m/s at room temperature and, as pointed out, virus particles will be much slower because of their much higher mass.

201849 calchas, replying to calchas, 38, #1532 of 1876 🔗

Donald Trump speaking at a campaign rally in North Carolina on October 21st:

“That pandemic is rounding the corner. They hate it when I say it. You turn onto this MSDNC and fake news CNN, all you hear is, “COVID, COVID, COVID, COVID, COVID, COVID, COVID, COVID.” That’s all they put on, because they want to scare the hell out of everyone. The more testing you have, the more cases. They say, “Cases are up.” Yeah, testing is up. We have more testing than India, China, and almost every other country put together. You could say it’s ridiculous. At the same time, we did a good job, but it shows a lot of cases. And thank you. He said, “Great job.” We did do a great job. Normal life will fully resume, and next year will be the greatest economic year in the history of our country. That’s where we’re headed.”

201921 ▶▶ leggy, replying to calchas, 5, #1533 of 1876 🔗

Amazing to hear something positive from a politician.

201922 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to leggy, 7, #1534 of 1876 🔗

Imagine Johnson saying:

“You turn on fake news BBC, all you hear is, “COVID, COVID, COVID, COVID, COVID, COVID, COVID, COVID.” That’s all they put on, because they want to scare the hell out of everyone.”

and:

“Normal life will fully resume”

201952 ▶▶ annie, replying to calchas, 8, #1535 of 1876 🔗

That I should live to applaud Trump!

201983 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to annie, 1, #1536 of 1876 🔗

I know right!

202053 ▶▶▶ Fiat, replying to annie, #1537 of 1876 🔗

Aye. Strange times

201870 John P, replying to John P, 20, #1538 of 1876 🔗

James Delingpole has interviewed Dr Mike Yeadon at length. It’s definitely worth listening to, but it is very long, so give yourself some time to listen.

What Yeadon says does echo what I had been thinking, but unlike myself (a chemistry graduate) Yeadon has the specialist qualifications to give what he says some real clout:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbMJoJ6i39k

It’s rather sobering at times. It’s essentially over, but is being kept going by the absurd testing regime which is picking up large numbers of false positives.

201881 ▶▶ Crazy Times, replying to John P, 6, #1539 of 1876 🔗

I’m only half way through, but it really is very good. He explains things very clearly and concisely without veering off course. It really needs to be spread far and wide. I can’t believe I didn’t know he worked in same lab as unbalanced!

201893 ▶▶▶ Ossettian, replying to Crazy Times, 8, #1540 of 1876 🔗

“I can’t believe I didn’t know he worked in same lab as unbalanced”

He has actually called out Vallance on twitter for the corrupt shill he is

201888 ▶▶ leggy, replying to John P, 4, #1541 of 1876 🔗

It’s a great interview. 3/4 of the way through, fascinating stuff.

201895 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to leggy, 6, #1542 of 1876 🔗

I’ve just finished listening to it – brilliant.

201900 ▶▶ calchas, replying to John P, 4, #1543 of 1876 🔗

Can’t recommend it highly enough.

Terrific – well done to interviewer and interviewee.

201944 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to John P, 4, #1544 of 1876 🔗

Excellent, listened all the way through.
‘The Pandemic isn’t over because SAGE say it isn’t over’.
Great to have such a succinct heavyweight on board but I think everything Mike said has been covered by one or other of our expert and knowledgeable readers despite LS now being so busy I don’t have time to read all the contributions every day.

201997 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to John P, 2, #1545 of 1876 🔗

Yes, a very good and essential listen and I believe he is correct when he says that his peers all know he is right and they all know it is over and there is no mythical second wave.

It is a bit chilling when an academic can’t fathom out why we are being treated as we are and even more chilling when his opinion is ‘it is over when SAGE decides it’s over’.

201910 john, replying to john, 5, #1546 of 1876 🔗

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54648684

It would be comical if it wasn’t so tragic – but here is the BBC telling us why the virus is so deadly, despite all the evidence that it is not. Please someone defund the BBC….

201912 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to john, 3, #1547 of 1876 🔗

It’s not deadly if you’re aged under 25 and live in Scotland; 0 deaths in that group.

201915 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to john, 3, #1548 of 1876 🔗

We’re on here because we’re beyond needing to be convinced the cure is much much worse than the illness (though it’s difficult to convince many sheeple who’ve had the bjesus scared out of them by Project Virus Fear) but my question is why?

201920 ▶▶ leggy, replying to john, 2, #1549 of 1876 🔗

Wow. Just wow. That may just be the biggest load of bollocks I have read in months. And a month is a long time right now!

201924 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to john, 3, #1550 of 1876 🔗

More than BS it’s actually deceitful propaganda that most of the population unfortunately take as gospel truth (‘It’s the BBC, why would they lie? They get their news from the Government ‘). If it’s so lethal, why aren’t 300k+ dead?

201929 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to john, 1, #1551 of 1876 🔗

They pinched that from the Daily Mash

201911 Andrea Salford, replying to Andrea Salford, 5, #1552 of 1876 🔗

I no longer need evidence of the pointlessness of the lockdown and the ridiculous government/MSM fear mongering of the virus (99.9% survivable). Please please someone tell me to ignore my rising sense of doom and foreboding to what is going on.

I absolutely don’t want to buy into the conspiracy theories, but otherwise WHY? What is going on? At what point does a conspiracy theory become the bleeping obvious? (Given the unbelievability of where we are now)

201976 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Andrea Salford, 5, #1553 of 1876 🔗

I’m not into conspiracy theories myself but the only other ideas I can muster are some sort of contagious mass hysteria (think of those mass fainting incidents in schools) or that aliens are holding our leaders’ families hostage.

201980 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Andrea Salford, 1, #1554 of 1876 🔗

Bleeps are way too polite!! Tourette’s is the new pandemic.

201985 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Andrea Salford, 8, #1555 of 1876 🔗

Political cowardice and vanity, and evil really I think now because they know it is nonsense, enabled by mass hysteria/mental block (people in rich countries have rediscovered death) with the addition of interest groups pushing agendas

202011 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to Julian, 16, #1556 of 1876 🔗

Yes. They’re on a tightrope, with political oblivion – or frankly, even criminal charges – as the result of overbalancing. They can’t admit they can’t control the virus, can’t admit they shouldn’t have tried in the first place, can’t admit they should have stopped trying in June and can’t admit that everything they’ve done has been pointlessly destructive.

It’s the result of vanity, ambition and extreme selfishness. It will crumble once the political mood shifts – and very quickly at that.

202019 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to matt, 5, #1557 of 1876 🔗

I agree with everything up to the last sentence. The situation is being very carefully curated to prevent the political mood from shifting. Institutionally it’s sufficiently locked in to survive majority opposition from the public. Just carry on with pravda polling and rely on a lack of real choice when (if) there is finally an election.

This will not crumble. It has to be crumbled. And we have no institutional backing to make that happen.

202027 ▶▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Ovis, 12, #1558 of 1876 🔗

We’ve seen in the last few months how easily the public mood can be manipulated, certainly. But you can’t do it forever. Not just in comments online, but more generally, you can sense the shift in opinion. Yes, some people are still completely committed to the narrative, but there are fewer and fewer of them. We don’t need an institution- we’re getting closer to the point where even the mainstream media is going to be making more room for sceptical voices, because they’re ultimately led by public opinion, even though they like to think they shape it.

Admittedly, it’s taking months longer than I thought it would, but it is coming.

202150 ▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Andrea Salford, #1559 of 1876 🔗

I think the Government fear losing face as they have invested so heavily in their crazy policies. Also there is so much money invested in testing, vaccines and so on.

202224 ▶▶ WTC7, replying to Andrea Salford, #1560 of 1876