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202261 CGL, replying to CGL, 5, #1 of 1646 🔗


202459 ▶▶ Basics, replying to CGL, 1, #2 of 1646 🔗


202677 ▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to Basics, 1, #3 of 1646 🔗

Ice scream!

202511 ▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to CGL, 12, #4 of 1646 🔗

Hello all

Amazing Debate on Lockdown Ideology versus Scientific Approach – Unmissable!!


Ivor Cummins
Wow – this one really covers the reality – excellent debate, and finally we are seeing it televised on mainstream!

202675 ▶▶▶ Emily Tock, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #5 of 1646 🔗

Yikes, has the monster from Trinity on this clip named his own lab after himself?


His ‘lab’ is funded by the Jacobs Foundation, ERC, SFI, and The Florey Institute of Neuroscience and Mental Health, which right on its landing page is pushing ‘long-term neurological consequnces of Covid-19 – they call it the ‘Silent Wave’. https://www.florey.edu.au/

Ridiculously unscientific response from me: This Ryan guy is straight-up a psychopath.

‘The Ryan Lab investigates the fundamental neuroscience of memory. We employ a multi-disciplinary and collaborative approach in order to understand how memories are encoded, stored, and retrieved in the brain. To this end we utilize a wide range of experimental techniques including optogenetics, engram cell labelling, mouse transgenics, pharmacology, electrophysiology, in vivo calcium imaging, and behavioural analysis.
The central question we aim to address is how is memory coded in the brain as information ? At the most fundamental level, memory is information that is encoded into the brain through a process of learning. We refer to the specific change in the brain that accounts for a particular learned piece of information as a memory engram.
Memory engrams must exist somewhere in our brains and the scientific challenge is firstly to find them and secondly to understand how they function. Genetic techniques have allowed us to identify subsets of cells that are activated by particular experiences, and manipulation of these cells has demonstrated that they contribute to the representation of specific memories. These cells also undergo various forms of physiological and biological plasticity (change) due to learning, which may account for information storage. Our group focuses on understanding how various forms of neuronal plasticity contribute essentially to memory information coding and functionality.’

202756 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Emily Tock, 4, #6 of 1646 🔗

I just commented on a Facebook post saying that he cannot be human.

202949 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Emily Tock, 3, #7 of 1646 🔗

Interesting that he’s a neuroscientist. Not sure how that qualifies him to comment on dealing with a virus at all!
On the other hand, he’s probably an expert in the effects of PsyOp.

203598 ▶▶▶ Linda B, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #8 of 1646 🔗

Dr John Lee a hero and voice of sense and reason — thank you so much for posting this.

202262 D B, replying to D B, 45, #9 of 1646 🔗

“Never give in. Never, never, never.”
Winston Churchill

I found this rallying cry came to me first thing this morning, hopefully a positive tone for my fellow sceptics to give you a boost today.

202276 ▶▶ CGL, replying to D B, 4, #10 of 1646 🔗

Yours is infinitely better. 🙂

202288 ▶▶▶ D B, replying to CGL, 5, #11 of 1646 🔗

Haha I only arrived here by chance both today and yesterday!

202335 ▶▶ matt, replying to D B, 16, #12 of 1646 🔗

One of my favourites, from another inspirational leader:

“ What? Over? Did you say ‘over’? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!…

It ain’t over now, ’cause when the goin’ gets tough, the tough get goin’. Who’s with me? Let’s go! Come on!…”

202348 ▶▶▶ richmond, replying to matt, #13 of 1646 🔗

Come on, that’s not acceptable! Who said that?

202351 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to richmond, #14 of 1646 🔗

Donald Trump or was it Joe Biden?

202365 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to matt, 6, #15 of 1646 🔗

Was it over when the Japs smashed through the Maginot Line? Hello no!

202583 ▶▶ Suze Burtenshaw, replying to D B, 4, #16 of 1646 🔗

Thankyou, DB. Feeling low today so a bit of positivity is very welcome.

202932 ▶▶▶ D B, replying to Suze Burtenshaw, #17 of 1646 🔗

Best of British to you Suze!

202264 Keen Cook, 2, #18 of 1646 🔗

as I moved from kitchen to desk look what happened! More diversions……

202274 Achilles, 1, #19 of 1646 🔗

I like 4th

202278 Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 20, #20 of 1646 🔗

All hail Kommissar Cherepakha, Saviour of the Welsh Nation.

202352 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Mr Dee, 3, #21 of 1646 🔗

God, we’re doomed.

202433 ▶▶ John P, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #22 of 1646 🔗

What’s with the Russophobia? (cherepakha is Russian for tortoise).

202485 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to John P, 4, #23 of 1646 🔗


I love Russia and all things Russian (would love to visit there one day).

It’s Stalinism I hate. Particularly the Welsh kind.

202520 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Mr Dee, 2, #24 of 1646 🔗

Same here: I’m reading ‘Dr Zhivago’ and Helen Rappaport’s ‘Four Sisters’; her account of the lives of the ill fated Romanov Grand Duchesses.

I ‘m also a fan of Amazon Prime’s extensive collection of Russian dramas, one of the best of which is ‘Ladoga’, a compelling account of the struggle to maintain the food convoys during the siege of Leningrad.

Fascinating, and a real eye opener.And as for hardship: unbelievable suffering and deprivation combined with a gritty courage.

203653 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Mr Dee, #25 of 1646 🔗

I did visit Russia when it was still Soviet.
They had to pretend to go along with all sorts of silly rituals to please the regime but were quite happy to tell westerners that they knew it was all nonsense.

202483 ▶▶ annie, replying to Mr Dee, 8, #26 of 1646 🔗

The resemblance is striking.
I’d much rather have the tortoise.

202915 ▶▶ Old Mum, replying to Mr Dee, 7, #27 of 1646 🔗

Listening to Drakeford, it seems like he’s been in a bunker & has come out thinking we’re still in March, talking about shopping only for essentials! Hasn’t covid been 24th on cause of death in Wales for September? No challenge to this at all?

203705 ▶▶▶ Stephen⁹ Williams, replying to Old Mum, 1, #28 of 1646 🔗

I escaped over the border yesterday from Gwynedd. I left a ghost town. Personally I felt more in danger of being savage by a sheep than covid.

202281 Lockdown Truth, replying to Lockdown Truth, 12, #29 of 1646 🔗

Thanks to all who came to help us with our first day of activity in London yesterday. It was greatly appreciated.

202477 ▶▶ Drummerman, replying to Lockdown Truth, 3, #30 of 1646 🔗

Great day, David. Scepticism on the South Bank ! 😉
Thanks for getting it going.

202562 ▶▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to Drummerman, 1, #31 of 1646 🔗

Thanks a million for coming!

202282 Geordie Sceptics, replying to Geordie Sceptics, 4, #32 of 1646 🔗

Experiments to Determine Mode of Spread of Influenza (1919)

Quote from the study:

“Perhaps, if we have learned anything, it is that we are not quite sure what we know about this disease”

They couldnt experimentally prove how the disease was transmitted. This article is worth a read:


(Thank you to whoever posted this link yesterday)

Does anyone know of a study that has proved human to human transition by way of coughing, sneezing or handling something that an infected person has touched, for cold or flu viruses?

202356 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Geordie Sceptics, 2, #33 of 1646 🔗

There probably aren’t any.

202493 ▶▶▶ Geordie Sceptics, replying to Rowan, 1, #34 of 1646 🔗

Its starting to look that way, more assumptions peddled as fact

203465 ▶▶ caipirinha17, replying to Geordie Sceptics, #35 of 1646 🔗

Well now…
Just search for Jonathan Nguyen Van Tam. Some of the papers look a bit dodge but plenty of references to masks, sanitiser and ‘social distancing’. All from the man sponsored by GSK. Says it all really…

202284 Tiberius, 1, #36 of 1646 🔗

Eight is my lucky number!

202287 PaulParanoia, replying to PaulParanoia, 17, #37 of 1646 🔗

Please, please, please update the website so all links in the comments open in a new browser tab. I’ve lost my position in the comments so many times due to links navigating away from this site. It’s driving me nuts.

202298 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to PaulParanoia, 9, #38 of 1646 🔗

Can’t you right click the link and open in a new tab?

202336 ▶▶▶ D B, replying to Jonny S., 1, #39 of 1646 🔗

can always click with the scrolling wheel, that does it automatically

202420 ▶▶▶▶ JVS, replying to D B, #40 of 1646 🔗

Thank you! Learn something new everyday… though am embarrassed I hadn’t worked that out sooner.

202827 ▶▶▶▶▶ TT, replying to JVS, #41 of 1646 🔗

Holding down [Ctrl]-key when left-clicking is another option (always use that one for some reason…).

202584 ▶▶▶▶ PaulParanoia, replying to D B, 2, #42 of 1646 🔗

Yep, but that doesn’t work too well on my phone. 🙁

202839 ▶▶▶▶ Jonny S., replying to D B, 1, #43 of 1646 🔗

I live in the north. I’m in lockdown, need to get my exersise somehow

202580 ▶▶▶ PaulParanoia, replying to Jonny S., #44 of 1646 🔗

Yeah, I know, but I still left click by force of habit. 🙁

203654 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Jonny S., #45 of 1646 🔗

Not from an Android you can’t.

202289 Awkward Git, 6, #46 of 1646 🔗

Another FOI request answer about PCR tests and what justifications that the councils hold for implementing local restrictions came back.

Answer is the same as all the others – nothing to do with us, ask higher up as big boys making us do it.

“I am writing to advise you that, I have established that the information you requested is not held by Cheshire East Council.

The information is not held because our Public Health Team have advised that we are not able to respond to your request as all testing is commissioned by DHSC.

I can advise however, that you may be able to gain the requested data by directing your enquiry to the NHS.”

202291 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 50, #47 of 1646 🔗

The Danish paper on masks is a test case. If it doesn’t get through I don’t see how anything other than revolution will solve our problems.

202951 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Achilles, 7, #48 of 1646 🔗

I don’t think we will ever have another revolution in a 1st world country. Why? Because you have to believe in something bigger than yourself and/or some sort of afterlife to risk sacrificing your own life for an idea. As a civilisation we are now too selfish, too atheistic and too decadent. We can talk about it but there are not enough people of the right type to form a critical mass to actually do anything.

203863 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to AngloWelshDragon, #49 of 1646 🔗

There are two missing ingredients. A cold, ruthless core group (in the 1780s: Jacobins) and a genuine existential crisis to mobilise the lethargic majority (in the 1780s: famine caused by the eruption of Laki). The latter might come with the economic collapse post lockdown but I don’t see any sign of the former, unfortunately

202292 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 13, #50 of 1646 🔗

Does anyone know which journal they are trying to publish this in? Mrs Beefheart knows a friend who’s husbands brother works for a major science journal and he’d be able to keep an eye on who is reviewing it and what their affiliations are etc.

Apparently, he really loves science and is against the censorship of it.

202415 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #51 of 1646 🔗

the Lancet, the New England Journal of Medicine and the American Medical Association’s journal JAMA.

202549 ▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to JohnB, 1, #52 of 1646 🔗

Bum. He works for a different one.

202293 James Marker, replying to James Marker, 72, #53 of 1646 🔗

Nadine Dorries, MP for Mid-Bedfordshire and one of the first MPs to get Covid-19, said during a Commons debate that she no longer has antibodies to SARS-CoV-2 and so is no longer immune to Covid-19. She then claimed herd immunity cannot be achieved without a vaccine. How can politicians get away with making ill-founded statements like that? Leaving aside the issue of T-cell immunity, of which she appears to know nothing, how can a vaccine confer immunity if recovery from the disease does not? Is this woman seriously proposing that people are vaccinated every 12 weeks? A better informed and unbiased MSM would take this woman apart.

202345 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to James Marker, 2, #54 of 1646 🔗

List or not?

202350 ▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to James Marker, 19, #55 of 1646 🔗

Even more frighteningly, she is apparently a qualified former nurse.

202362 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Caroline Watson, 23, #56 of 1646 🔗

She was in the wrong business then and clearly she still is.

202363 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to James Marker, 23, #57 of 1646 🔗

She needs to listen to Mike Yeadon on the Delingpod for reassurance, and a quick lesson in how immunity works.

202422 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Nick Rose, 20, #58 of 1646 🔗

One of the things that struck me whilst listening to Yeadon on the Delingpod was he repeated assertion that Patrick Valance is making assertion that he must know are wrong.

202429 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #59 of 1646 🔗

Yes, he does seem to have a bee in his bonnet about Vallance.

202438 ▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to John P, 19, #60 of 1646 🔗

He doesn’t like him, respected him in the past but he thinks Vallance has crossed the line, Vallance has been bought, sold his soul to the devil.

202484 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to stefarm, 5, #61 of 1646 🔗

Surprising that the devil deals in such shoddy goods.

203406 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to stefarm, 1, #62 of 1646 🔗

He’s not wrong. GSK is the worlds leading vaccine manufacturer. Shingrix was developed on Vallance’s watch. It relies on T cell immunity. He certainly knows how it works.

203949 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to John P, #63 of 1646 🔗

Only someone trying to undermine Yeadon would put it that way. Yeadon is rightly outraged that Vallance allows so much disinformation to be pumped out by SAGE and Government and that Vallance himself misleads the public.

202742 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Steve Hayes, 8, #64 of 1646 🔗

Listen to this video – about all the many people that are making statements they must know to be false and what the world’s (decent) lawyers intend to do about it, making use of the best law that exists where it exists. (derived from English law btw)
German lawyers/medics telling it as it is. They were the first group of professionals to speak out, recognising what is going on now from their own nation’s awful history and determined to stop it this time if they can. They’ve been holding formal hearings now for several months, and are now starting to report their findings.
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/10/17/coronavirus-fraud-biggest-crime-against-humanity.aspx (video and article)
https://worlddoctorsalliance.com/blog/crimes-against-humanity-the-german-corona-investigation/&nbsp ;

203166 ▶▶▶▶▶ ChrisDinBristol, replying to Rosie, -1, #65 of 1646 🔗

Top link already unavailable, I’m afraid. . .

203187 ▶▶▶▶▶ RichT, replying to Rosie, #66 of 1646 🔗

Top link put into wayback machine (internet archive) gets the bewildering result “This URL has been excluded from the Wayback Machine.” ???
I have never seen that before.

203500 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ chris c, replying to RichT, 1, #67 of 1646 🔗

The other link is also unavailable and the Wayback Machine claims not to have archived it.Seen that before but not the excluded one

I got the transcript from


thanks to aomone here (I read faster than I watch videos)

That still seems to work

202406 ▶▶ JamesDrebin, replying to James Marker, 14, #68 of 1646 🔗

A top up vaccination every 12 weeks? Hey, that sounds a bit of alright! Maybe a booster shot every 6 weeks would be good too. Let’s see… for 7bn people, for all of their albeit short natural lives? Yes, this is an ideal business model. I can hear the Big Pharma Boys becoming groinally-engorged just thinking about it. And Willy Gates positively has a wet patch already! 😀

202962 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to JamesDrebin, 3, #69 of 1646 🔗


203651 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to James Marker, #70 of 1646 🔗

It would be a singularly inefficient immune system that continued to churn out antibodies to a virus no longer in the bloodstream. The point is not antibodies but immune memory. If – the comedian gods forbid – she were to be infected again, her immune system would remember the virus and respond.
Spare us from these relentless simpletons.

202294 Nessimmersion, replying to Nessimmersion, 55, #71 of 1646 🔗

Given that there are 2 year olds now who have spent 25% of their life without seeing an adult face umasked other than their parents, what effect does this have on their psychological development?

202303 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Nessimmersion, 3, #72 of 1646 🔗

That’s a coincidence. I was just listening to the answer to your question right now on Last American Vagabond. I’ll post up a video highlighting this when I find the correct link.

202324 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 4, #73 of 1646 🔗

Here, about 2 and a half minutes long. A speech from a spinal surgeon & certified medical doctor of 40 years. One of America’s Frontline Doctors.


202366 ▶▶▶▶ richmond, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #74 of 1646 🔗

Excellent link. Thank you.

202368 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to richmond, 2, #75 of 1646 🔗

I’m getting all these from the Last American Vagabond. Excellent source of information.

Subscribe via the website:


202355 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Nessimmersion, 33, #76 of 1646 🔗

And even worse, 2 year olds who haven’t been allowed to socialise with other children for 25% of their lives.

202388 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to A. Contrarian, 26, #77 of 1646 🔗

Again:Child abuse.

202490 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to A. Contrarian, 14, #78 of 1646 🔗

And one year olds: half their lives.

202387 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Nessimmersion, 12, #79 of 1646 🔗

Again:Child abuse.

202389 ▶▶ Staincliffe, replying to Nessimmersion, 52, #80 of 1646 🔗

It worries me too. Yesterday I was in the street (bare-faced) behind a stationary woman in a mask on her phone with a baby in a stroller. The baby was alert, 6-8 months old, sitting up and spotted me walking towards them. As I overtook them, I gave the baby a wide smile and said ‘hello’ in that exaggerated sing song way you do with babies. The baby’s reaction was extraordinary. It was as though the on-switch had been flicked, happy, grinning, body rocking up and down, arms waving up and down, squealing, direct eye contact. I was saddened to think of all the other similar incidental interactions the baby must have missed in the last few months. I can’t help worrying about the potential long term adverse effects on development.

202431 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Nessimmersion, 43, #81 of 1646 🔗

Lots I would imagine. It is a policy of destructionism. Destroying the family institution and society by masking people and hiding them away. Political correctness has meant that people are afraid of speaking out as they will be silenced, no debate, just shut your mouth or cover your mouth and be quiet.

Children will grow up with no voice or emotion.

I’ve never really thought about any of this before, I’ve sailed along pretty laid back about nearly everything. I’m a well mannered working class bloke who is a loyal friend and that is all I ask in return. I’m not well educated but I’ve got common sense and street smarts, everything that is happening now is wrong. I’ve educated myself the past few months and glad I have done.

I was at the shop this morning watching people shamble about, husbands and wives gagged. I felt like screaming at the top of my voice – LOOK WHAT YOU ARE DOING, WAKE UP BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE. GROW SOME BALLS AND FIGHT BACK.

203271 ▶▶ James007, replying to Nessimmersion, 5, #82 of 1646 🔗

I think anxiety and stress levels in toddlers have been increased. I only have anecdotal evidence from several parents, that problems with behaviour and managing emotions have got worse.
Our 3 year old’s personality changed radically during lockdown. He was a lively and active boy. Within weeks was whimpering in corners or laying on the floor staring at the ceiling. Seeing a child suffer is so painful.
He is a bit better now but not fully recovered.
Hate this government.

203603 ▶▶ Linda B, replying to Nessimmersion, 1, #83 of 1646 🔗

I keep thinking this too -what are the government doing to our children

203854 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Nessimmersion, 1, #84 of 1646 🔗

On the plus side, this generation of permanently damaged, angry, socially disconnected loners is going to be in charge of taking care of millennials in their old age. What goes around, comes around.

202297 calchas, replying to calchas, 35, #85 of 1646 🔗

The medical journals still have enormous prestige, and yes peer review and all of that…

However, those prestigious journals all have their origins in the pre-Internet age when sources of information were few, when the flow of that information was relatively controlled, when information was expensive, and when the analysis and processing of that information took a long time.

So I say, out with this study if no journal is ready to publish within a reasonable time period..The public interest demands that it go out as soon as possible Peer review will take place in the open forum of the Web with potentially millions of people qualified in relevant disciplines subjecting the study to critique.

It will stand or fall in public.

We are now at a stage in this farce where several elements in the official narrative have attained the status of religious doctrine – one of these is of course masks.

If one of these elements fall, then I suspect they all will, which is why none can be allowed to fail.

202307 ▶▶ IanE, replying to calchas, 19, #86 of 1646 🔗

In normal circumstances (remember them?), medical journals would be fighting amongst themselves to get such an important, indeed epochal, study. But that of course before they all ‘woke’ up!

202310 ▶▶ TJN, replying to calchas, 4, #87 of 1646 🔗

I reckon this site would publish it.

202391 ▶▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to TJN, 12, #88 of 1646 🔗

They could self publish but then the powers that be would simply say “it’s not peer reviewed” and ignore it. If it get published in a top ranked medical journal that is much harder. I would guess the study shows that masks are actually harmful and help the spread so they think it is important and want the study to change policy.

202437 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to 6097 Smith W, 12, #89 of 1646 🔗

Yes, your post is correct. But time is a factor too. It really does need to be put out there. And as Calchas says, it will then go through online peer review.

What is unacceptable is that this study is kept under wraps for weeks, or even indefinitely.

Even if it is pro-mask (very unlikely I guess) it still needs to be put on public view.

Like you, I’m guessing that it indicates that masks are actively harmful. If so, the authors have an even greater duty to ensure that their work is published, and quickly.

203021 ▶▶▶▶▶ chris c, replying to TJN, 2, #90 of 1646 🔗

I remember a dietician crowing that an ongoing study would “prove beyond all doubt” the harms of low carb diets.

The study never got published. One can only assume it proved the Wrong Thing and was binned.

See also, studies on the harms of statins.

Meanwhile many garbage papers do get into print because they back whatever agenda is required

202609 ▶▶▶▶ Felice, replying to 6097 Smith W, 4, #91 of 1646 🔗

This thing about ‘peer reviewed’ always strikes me as a bit of a red herring, as if it confers legitimacy to an article by itself. All a ‘peer review’ does, is to say that a paper is written up in a way that is fit for publication. It makes no comment on its accuracy.
My OH often does peer reviews for papers in the area of geology in which he is an acknowledged expert. He basically checks that it is of a high enough standard for printing, not that the findings and conclusions are correct. So he checks things like all references quoted in the text are listed at the end, all the figures and their captions are in agreement with what is in the text. He makes sure that the writing is not garbage, that there are no needless repetitions etc. Basically, he is editing as someone who knows what the article is about.
He may then go on to suggest improvements, says where the arguments etc are weak and could be strengthened, and very occasionally, will challenge the methodology or the results when the subject matter is well known to him and he suspects that the authors have been less than economical with the truth.
Having been screened pre publication, the article is then put out to the wider world, and that is the time when other scientists start to pick holes it or agree with its conclusion and use it as a base for further research.

202703 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Felice, 8, #92 of 1646 🔗

Broadly that’s what I understood by peer review. Does the article possess the basic quality and legitimacy to be published? I imagined (silly me) that journal articles were meant to float evidence-based new and novel ideas, for others to confirm or rebut, not necessarily to be definitive work.

Currently we are supposed to accept that an experiment involving two hamster cages with a piece of cloth between them constitutes science in support of mask wearing, but that a study involving up to 6,000 people with and without masks does not come up to the standard.

It stinks.

202651 ▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to 6097 Smith W, 2, #93 of 1646 🔗

So if there is conclusive evidence that we should not be wearing masks (please!), would all the businesses that are making them be able to claim furlough or compensation payments? Maybe that’s what Govts are afraid of. Destroying our Covid economy.

202343 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to calchas, 5, #94 of 1646 🔗

Defund the journals

202299 Commander Jameson, 6, #95 of 1646 🔗

In 2006, an outbreak of a common-or-garden, common-cold coronavirus killed 8% of residents in a care home who showed symptoms:


The actual subject of the study was something different (cross-reactivity on PCR testing!). They found the death rate utterly unremarkable.

202300 mjr, replying to mjr, 17, #96 of 1646 🔗

shopping report . hardly anyone unmasked. I was unmasked . no one gave a toss. Nice conversations with shop staff . Aldi, B&M, Pound Shop all models of behaviour . Staff clearly wearing masks just to keep management happy .

Biggest laugh , Getting money and used machine outside bank. Staff arriving . Saw one girl, masked , ring the bell to be admitted and someone (also masked) came to open the door for her and scanned her temperature. Wtf!! So who scanned the first person to arrive.
As i left another staff member arrived .. I almost suggested that she shouldgo to the nearby greggs, warm her hand on the counter, then warm her forehead … She could then have the day off

202317 ▶▶ IanE, replying to mjr, 7, #97 of 1646 🔗

Yes, but then she would have to be tested and added to our world-bleating (sic!) test and trace system.

202341 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to IanE, 4, #98 of 1646 🔗

And she and her family and friends imprisoned for two weeks. Ooops!!! they doing that to all of us come 6pm anyway

202494 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Cecil B, 1, #99 of 1646 🔗

They think.

203000 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cecil B, 1, #100 of 1646 🔗

So not hot Greggs but cold icepack.

202441 ▶▶ Suitejb, replying to mjr, 7, #101 of 1646 🔗

Took my watch to a local jewellers have the battery replaced yesterday. Had to knock on the door to be let in by a masked assistant (on reflection he could have been a robber)! I was asked to put my watch in a torpedo shaped metal box which then sterilised it. Jeez! I was then told to return for it 20 minutes when it was handed to me in a plastic bag.
Should have gone to the market, they’d have done it in a couple of minutes.

202305 Achilles, #102 of 1646 🔗

202306 jim smith, 5, #103 of 1646 🔗

personally I think it very important to question decrees made by a small number of people in a democracy. Unfortunately this idea is now derided by so many I can only conclude they have been brainwashed.

202308 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 15, #104 of 1646 🔗

We have had the first death in Oxfordshire since July. I’m in Oxford now it’s like a scene from a Sci Fi movie.
What exactly has the chief medical bod of the county requested? Fucking requested to go into tier 2.

202346 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Sarigan, 1, #105 of 1646 🔗


202358 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Sarigan, 3, #106 of 1646 🔗

Its about the big bag of money to the Council from the generous government

202367 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Sarigan, 1, #107 of 1646 🔗

Can anyone find out how this 1 death compares to death rates from dying from other things in Oxfordshire?


202436 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Sarigan, #108 of 1646 🔗

The ‘chief medical bod of the county’ presumably lives in Oxfordshire somewhere. At least his/her local community now know what sort of twat he/she is.

203003 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to JohnB, #109 of 1646 🔗

I don’t know what sort of medicine they teach local CMOs but whatever it is certainly replaces all common sense.

202309 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #110 of 1646 🔗

Is Jimmy Saville still on top of the pops?

202337 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to captainbeefheart, 4, #111 of 1646 🔗

Yep introducing Gary Glitter and Rolf Harris

(BBC by thy works shell we know thee)

202311 chaos, replying to chaos, 13, #112 of 1646 🔗

Good news everyone. I’ve made it the actual 1984 again not the Orwellian 1984 we are now in. Men can have perms. Women can have fanny hair. Liverpudlians can steal Italian sportswear (though Sergio Tachinni is now Chinese owned).. John Wayne is big leggy hip hop be bop lost in music.. you can meet people, snog, drink, slow dance with your hands on a girf’s bottom.. be optimistic about the future.. and even have sex. We even still make stuff. House prices and rents are also less than a quarter of what they are now.

202315 ▶▶ chaos, replying to chaos, #113 of 1646 🔗

sorry if a comment vanished.. edited and messed it up…

202330 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to chaos, 5, #114 of 1646 🔗

You’ve definitely travelled back in time as this post has been posited twice. Enjoy the 80s. I loved them.

Time travel is the only holiday option remaining.

202426 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Mr Dee, 2, #115 of 1646 🔗

I hated the 1980s. Each to his own. The 2020s are a bit shit so far as well.

203005 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to chaos, 1, #116 of 1646 🔗

Ah those were the days!
4 million unemployed, sink estates.
Apart from the mullets and the huge shoulder pads, we’ll all be travelling back in time soon – which would at least improve pop music somewhat!

202313 Stuart, 7, #117 of 1646 🔗

The BBC will pay you £80 to take a fake PCR test and anyone who offers their nasal snot for free should bear this in mind.

As for masks, watch out for declining blood oxygen levels due to self-inhalation of CO2 emissions. Anything less than 94% SpO2 for a protracted period and you may eventually figure in the statistics. (As a Covid death, naturally).

202314 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 63, #118 of 1646 🔗

Me and Mrs- Two-Six are off in our van for a week or so. I will save this for reading later once we are re-located into a nice field with views in the deepest Somerset countryside.

40 bottles of beer, six bottles of wine, a bottle of fizz for celebrations of our great escape from zombie LA LA land and a bottle of gin.

This should help a bit with the sanity levels. So will my 500 watt solar powered sound system. The bass is monstrous…Two subs under the seats, its like a night-club in there.

Fuck the crazies!

202333 ▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Two-Six, 10, #119 of 1646 🔗

Have a good time Two-six. I’m off for a night at a Premier Inn in Ulverston with my lovely wife. Not quite up to your break but anything is welcome these days.

202342 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Harry hopkins, 4, #120 of 1646 🔗

Gotta love a Premier Inn breakfast – book that in advance now btw!! They run out of tables if you just turn up.

202334 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Two-Six, 21, #121 of 1646 🔗

Why are you only taking half rations?

202831 ▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to Cecil B, #122 of 1646 🔗

One has to be des

202340 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Two-Six, 2, #123 of 1646 🔗

Have a good one- looks like we might make it to Dorset too. Enjoy!!!

202423 ▶▶ John P, replying to Two-Six, 2, #124 of 1646 🔗

Jesus, I hope no poor locals have to put up with the noise from your sound system.

203851 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to John P, #125 of 1646 🔗

No worries there – it’s solar powered and it’s nearly November.

Enjoy your week, Mr Two-Six!

202451 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Two-Six, 5, #126 of 1646 🔗

I have seen said van and sound system and concur, it is like a night club!! Have a great time away. Catch up when you get back.

202503 ▶▶ annie, replying to Two-Six, 3, #127 of 1646 🔗

Love Somerset. Have a great time. Wave to us over in Gulag Wales. You can see Pembrokeshire from Lynmouth, just into Devon, on a clear day.

203052 ▶▶ chris c, replying to Two-Six, 1, #128 of 1646 🔗

Be interesting to know what it’s like down there.

Here in Suffolk, another low covid area, most people wear muzzles in shops then immediately take them off in the street.

I drive around the countryside and villages and walk on various paths and commons. Lots of other walkers, with and without dogs, and almost all unmuzzled. The odd moron in a car though.

202318 Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 3, #129 of 1646 🔗

List of Mask studies.


Dozens of them, collected at the end of the Video Source links section.

202636 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Mr Dee, 11, #130 of 1646 🔗

Thanks for those links. Details of previous studies into masks seem to have ‘disappeared’ from search engines. I am ex NHS and I am certain that there has never been a single study that shows masks to be of any use to the public. In fact, most wear them wrongly, never wash or replace them and they are a breeding ground for bacteria. They are a visible sign of compliance and I bet people would wear kiss me quick hats if advised to do so. I am beginning to despair. Watching the very elderly shuffling about wearing masks is heartbreaking and for kids to grow up seeing muzzled faces as ‘normal’ is outrageous.

202931 ▶▶▶ ianric, replying to Mutineer, 5, #131 of 1646 🔗

If it wasn’t for media hysteria and government imposed restrictions no one would have noticed we were in a pandemic. We don’t see dead bodies piling up, huge numbers becoming I’ll and no one knows anyone with Covid. Compulsory masks and everyone wearing masks deceives people into thinking we are in a pandemic.

203023 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mutineer, 1, #132 of 1646 🔗

A friend of mine recently realised his gungy cough might be a result of prolonged face nappy-wearing ……

202319 Albie, 18, #134 of 1646 🔗


Covid accounted for 1.7% of all deaths in England in Sept. Only the 19th most common cause. This is what businesses are getting closed down for and why they are putting up two fingers to anyone desperately needing cancer treatment. 1.7%. Let that sink in.

202469 ▶▶ Geordie Sceptics, replying to GuyRich, 3, #136 of 1646 🔗

Very interesting read!

This fits with what Kary Mullis (inventor of pcr test) says in this video


202325 l835, replying to l835, 6, #137 of 1646 🔗

Dripford has said the lockdown has been timed to coincide with half term. Conwy CBC schools have been in half term THIS week. So My daughters will be off school for three weeks in total, plus a week if online lessons.

Also school is insisting mask exempt pupils wear a lanyard. They have to produce evidence to get a lanyard, which in my daughters case is her inhaler and prescription.

Drakefords police state.

202480 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to l835, 7, #138 of 1646 🔗

Not legal.

How can I show that I am not required to wear a face covering?Whether somebody has a reasonable excuse not to wear a face covering will not always be obvious. Disabilities and impairments are not always visible to others, such as neurodevelopmental conditions, and respect and understanding should be shown to those who have good reasons not to wear face coverings.

Those who have an age, health or disability reason for not wearing a face covering should not be routinely asked to give any written evidence of this. You do not need to seek advice or request a letter from a medical professional about your reason for not wearing a face covering.

Some people may feel more comfortable showing something that says they do not have to wear a face covering. This could be in the form of an exemption card, badge or even a home-made sign. A number of organisations have created cards that can be downloaded from their websites and printed, including the Welsh Government .
Carrying an exemption card is a personal choice and is not necessary in law.


Tell the school to “ Cachau bant”

202508 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #139 of 1646 🔗

Twll tin iddyn nhw i gyd.

202327 Schrodinger, replying to Schrodinger, 34, #140 of 1646 🔗

Just on a personal note.

In my case I have a heart issue and am waiting for heart surgery to replace a valve and repair my aorta.

I normally have regular x rays and ultrasound scans every six months, along with a review by the consultant to check that things have not got dramatically worse.

At my last review in February I was told that it was getting to the point that the operation needed to be done and that another CT scan was necessary to check with a further review in August.

The scan was scheduled at a hospital near me in one Health Board and the review/surgery would be at the Cardiac Unit in another Health Board . Both are in Wales

Both appointments were subsequently cancelled. About 4 weeks ago I wrote to the Chief Executive’s of both Health Boards asking what was happening as it appeared that I was no longer being monitored. I think my exact phrase was ‘I seem to be the equivalent of a bomb about to explode but no one is now measuring how much time is left on the fuse’

Replies have now been received.

The heart unit tells me to make a new appointment with the consultant, via his secretary when the scan has been done. Meanwhile the Health Board doing the scan tells me that they will do it when I have a new appointment with the consultant. Anyone see the problem here? Kafkaesque to say the least.

202331 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Schrodinger, 14, #141 of 1646 🔗

Outrageous. There will be a reckoning

Crimes against humanity

(Wouldn’t be surprised if these were the twats that were dancing)

202344 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Cecil B, 19, #142 of 1646 🔗

We so need a Nuremburg trial – with similar penalties for the guilty!

202384 ▶▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to IanE, 9, #143 of 1646 🔗

Apparently Nuremburg is twinned with Glasgow, so perhaps they should be held there?

202393 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ruth Sharpe, replying to kenadams, 3, #144 of 1646 🔗

Very fitting as that is the bastion of the SNP.

202421 ▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to kenadams, 2, #145 of 1646 🔗

So long as they’re held I don’t care where they do it.

202536 ▶▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to IanE, 1, #146 of 1646 🔗

Can I act as Albert Pierpoint

202513 ▶▶ annie, replying to Schrodinger, 3, #147 of 1646 🔗

Write to Peter Hitchens.

202328 Harry hopkins, 30, #148 of 1646 🔗

Medical Journals Refuse To Publish Landmark Danish Study.

I’m not surprised at this but forgive me for stating the obvious which no doubt the study will confirm:

  • if humans were intended to cover their breathing orifice it would have been taken care of at birth.
  • When we inhale we take in oxygen

*When we exhale we get rid of Carbon dioxide and pathogens.

* If we cover our mouth and face we restrict our oxygen intake and increase our carbon dioxide and pathogen intake which our bodies need to expel to maintain our health.

Am I missing something here?

202329 Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 10, #149 of 1646 🔗

OSHA WHISTLEBLOWERS TELL ALL ( Occupational Safety and Health Administration)

October 9, 2020
Government trained OSHA mask experts Tammy Clark and Kristen Meghan join Del in-studio to break down vital info on masks, PPE, and their role in COVID-19 prevention. Every adult on this planet wearing a mask needs to hear this riveting discussion.

202956 ▶▶ Tking, replying to Mr Dee, #150 of 1646 🔗

Thanks for posting this, one of the best videos on masks I have viewed so far.

202332 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 8, #151 of 1646 🔗


Hope the link works.

I just spotted this poster on the road between Stone and Lichfield.

It cheered me up no end.

202521 ▶▶ annie, replying to Margaret, #152 of 1646 🔗

Link is fine, but only the bottom half of the poster is visible, is that the intention?

202556 ▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to annie, 2, #153 of 1646 🔗

Sorry Annie, is there a smaller photo in the bottom left hand corner which you can click? I’m not very good with technology.
The top of the poster says “Please don’t be scared. 99.5% recovery rate (without a vaccine) then lists the questions.

202338 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 13, #154 of 1646 🔗

As that great England Football Captain, the legendary Terry Butcher once said:

‘It’s like deja vu all over again’

ONS Monthly Mortality Analysis latest release (today) for Sept 2020

‘In September 2020, there were 39,827 deaths registered in England, 2,568 deaths more than the five-year average (2015 to 2019) for September; in Wales, there were 2,610 deaths registered, 135 deaths more than the five-year average for September.

The leading cause of death in September 2020 was dementia and Alzheimer’s disease in both England (accounting for 11.2% of all deaths) and in Wales (11.1% of all deaths).

The coronavirus (COVID-19) did not feature in the top ten leading causes of death for deaths registered in September 2020, in England or Wales; in England, COVID-19 was the 19th most common cause of death and in Wales COVID-19 was the 24th most common cause of death.’

Key takeaways: deaths ‘due to’ (underlying cause of death) covid 19 up from a low base, as would be expected for a coronavirus at this time of the year, at 1.7% of all deaths (1.4% in August).

So this common cold coronavirus was the 24th most common cause of death in August and 19th most common in September but influenza deaths are, apparently, 25% down by this analysis.

If this coronavirus was included with the other coronaviruses in the catch all, Influenza Like Illnesses (ILI), mortality for this year would have passed, since May, entirely without remark.

The longer this goes on, the worse the eventual outcome for NHS senior management and the Conservative Party.

Far better to bite the bullet now and commission an independent public inquiry right away……..

202858 ▶▶ Censored Dog, replying to Tim Bidie, 2, #155 of 1646 🔗

The independent public inquiry is probably going to be subverted with the ‘We didn’t lock down soon enough’ crowd.

203201 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Censored Dog, #156 of 1646 🔗

Scylla and Charybdis

The government will appoint a ‘safe pair of hands’

The process will be protracted so that all major protagonists are long gone from public office.

We have been here before.

Chilcot’s report amounts to arguably the most scathing official verdict on any modern British prime minister. It implicitly lumps Blair in the same category as Anthony Eden’


As with Chilcot, the inquiry cannot undo the carnage this government has wreaked with the lives of its own citizens, or, arguably a great deal worse, with the millions of livelihoods in the developing world destroyed by all this stupidity, gross incompetence.

But it will highlight the lessons to be learned and ensure that all responsible will be forever deprived of the lifeblood of their shallow existence, bought popular approval.

202339 captainbeefheart, 4, #157 of 1646 🔗

What the hell are you doing, Australia?


Look how nervous the man who is saying this is. Body language all over the place. I’m surprised there are not several laser dots trained on his head…

202347 richmond, replying to richmond, 22, #158 of 1646 🔗

How many opinion pieces has anyone read in the national press in which the writer seems to know more than any of us? I would say, so far, none. And most of them seem to know virtually nothing at all. Some of them less than that. I’m getting so sick of this. It’s just wall-to-wall propaganda.

202395 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to richmond, 5, #159 of 1646 🔗

I have a feeling they know a lot more than you may believe but are very much onside with the government, UN and World Economic Forum response. They are going to be the only source of ‘news’ in a few months once the big tech purge is complete.

The fact that they will essentially be propaganda outlets for the globalists doesn’t seem to worry them – remember the industry has received $250 million in ‘gifts’ from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation to keep them happy.

If we only get establishment approved ‘news’ what chance is there of the rich and powerful ever being held to account in the future?

202635 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Darryl, 3, #160 of 1646 🔗

Related, I happened upon the list of who attended the WEF earlier this year. Look how many media representatives there were.


203064 ▶▶ chris c, replying to richmond, 1, #161 of 1646 🔗

Awkward Git could be a journalist, if journalists still existed. Swedenborg could be a science editor

202354 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 6, #162 of 1646 🔗

Tiers for souvenirs is all you left me
Memories of a life no longer there
I just cant believe we cannot meet
After all those happy hours we spent together.

203244 ▶▶ Grahame Jordan, replying to p02099003, #163 of 1646 🔗

Ken Dodd? Very apt.

202357 Basics, replying to Basics, 5, #164 of 1646 🔗

Coronavirus: Pub closures not backed by evidence

“A leading bacteriologist has said he was not surprised to learn that pub owners are pursuing a legal challenge against lockdown closures saying he had been left ‘frustrated’ by the absence of hard data informing some decisions.

Five of Scotland’s major hospitality groups have taken the first step in what could be a costly legal challenge where they will argue that pubs have been repeatedly targeted “with no sound evidence”.


He said: “I can see where they are coming from. I can see why they want to see more data.

“I think those of us who are not involved in the government machine would like to see that data.

“I’ve been quite frustrated by the low level of information about outbreaks and the evidence that is being used.

“What the hospitality industry want to see is the evidence that is driving the policy.

“There is evidence from the international scene, we know there have been outbreaks in pubs and of course there was the Aberdeen outbreak, but what I haven’t seen and what the hospitality industry will be very keen to see is if there has been a detailed study of an outbreak.

“One can do quite sophisticated analysis quite quickly and I haven’t seen that data. And if there is evidence, then the hospitality industry can accept, well that’s why you are coming down so heavily on us”

–Well shucks if scumball oik me doesn’t know a reason why mister professor guy is frustrated —

Published: 15 February 2012
Health policy

Regulate alcohol for global health
Devi Sridhar

[then aged 28 and no, she’s not a genius mind]

The World Health Organization is the only body that can promote health through the use of international law. It should make alcohol its next target, says Devi Sridhar.

“Now is the time for the WHO to take a bold step and move towards a third treaty to protect world health. There is an obvious target. About 2.5 million deaths a year, almost 4% of all deaths worldwide, are attributed to alcohol — more than the number of deaths caused by HIV/AIDS, tuberculosis or malaria2. Alcohol consumption is the world’s third-largest risk factor for health burden; in middle-income countries, which constitute almost half of the world’s population, it is the greatest risk (see ‘Health burdens’).”

A WHO Framework Convention on Alcohol Control could and should turn those recommendations into legal requirements for member states. What difference would this make? Formally, countries would commit to applying the agreement through national legislation — which would require a ream of new policies for nations such as India where current regulation isn’t so comprehensive. Nations would be required to report to the WHO on their progress. The international community would have a shared responsibility to support these efforts by providing financial and technical assistance as needed. Informally, ministries of health would have a stronger domestic negotiating position in prioritizing alcohol regulation above economic concerns. Non-governmental organizations would be able to pressure governments, and even bring issues to court.


202375 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Basics, 1, #166 of 1646 🔗

WHO doesn’t write international law though, because neither WHO, nor the UN are sovereign. At best, mere administrators.

202396 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #167 of 1646 🔗

I agree. Umbrellas with massive over reach. What the text of the 2012 paper does is set out intention. That is 2012, 2020 today. Policy does not remain stationary, in 2012 it was intention regardless of mere realities.

Now in 2020 we have Sridhar having founded a special little globalist unit at an academic institution -after the model at Oxford where she wrote in 2012. Sridhar is now perched in a unique little space to have the ear of the untrustables home and abroad. Of course just one of lifes coincidences.

And we see other respected experienced professionals saying the process and procedures policy is being conjured at is not based on evidence, indeed they express frustration and appear dumbfounded.

Good bye alcohol. Quite a strange turn up considering three weeks to flatten a curve.

202413 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Nick Rose, #168 of 1646 🔗

And even international law is not mandatory in sovereign countries.

202385 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Basics, 5, #169 of 1646 🔗

Devi Sridhar is an elitist social engineer who would love to micro manage every aspect of peoples lives. The scary thing is she is is in a position where she can clearly influence policy and its draconian enforcement.

Sadly Scottish people seem to have been brow beaten and educated over the pass couple of decades to be blindly compliant to official diktats. Hopefully they will wake up before it is too late.

202399 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Darryl, 2, #170 of 1646 🔗

This Lawson guy calling for ban on alcohol sales has a reputation in Inverness. He is the owner of Jonny Foxes.

203040 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Basics, 2, #171 of 1646 🔗

There is evidence from the international scene, we know there have been outbreaks in pubs and of course there was the Aberdeen outbreak

Surely “an outbreak in a pub” would involve dozens of people suddenly clutching their throats and collapsing to the floor in a heap of rash-encrusted bodies?

202359 djaustin, replying to djaustin, #172 of 1646 🔗

P < 0.05 – publish in NEJM/Lancet/JAMA.
P > 0.05 – failed study – publish elsewhere

Those are the rules. I strongly suspect the trial was part-positive but failed to meet it’s primary objective and reject the null hypothesis (there is no difference) at the 5% significance level. Normally that’s a sign of an underpowered trial – i.e., the effect size was too small to be measured with enough confidence (1/20 times by chance is the convention). They wanted a 50% reduction (big effect), and probably saw a smaller effect (say 25% with a P value of say 0.1 which means the difference could occur by chance 1/10 times) but can’t then claim statistical significance as there weren’t enough subjects in the trial for that size difference. The absence of statistical significance will mean rejection by the above three journals. Sometimes you can take an early look at the data and see if you are on track and will need more subjects. That comes at a cost , and you’ll need a disproportionate increase in numbers of participants.

202377 ▶▶ calchas, replying to djaustin, 4, #173 of 1646 🔗

“I strongly suspect the trial was part-positive but failed to meet it’s primary objective and reject the null hypothesis (there is no difference) at the 5% significance level.”

Maybe that’s the problem – the null hypothesis was not rejected.

No statistically significant difference – masks, no masks.

202425 ▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to calchas, #174 of 1646 🔗

The correct interpretation is that were you to repeat the trial many many times, then the probability of seeing a difference of that magnitude by chance is P (say 1/20, 1/10) when there is no true difference. Medical practice accepts 5%(1/20) as the threshold. But in reality there isn’t much difference between 1/19 and 1/21 (unless you want to register a new drug – then it’s the billion dollar question!). String results might be 1/100 (P = 0.01) or 1/1000 (P = 0.001).

The best estimate of the effect is always the mean difference, statistics just tells you how much you can believe the result.

202442 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to djaustin, 1, #175 of 1646 🔗

Out with the study, than all of these things can be debated.

We all know which way the political wind is blowing on this issue.

202380 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to djaustin, 6, #176 of 1646 🔗

You assume that a journal will never reject a paper based on politics alone… We’ve seen journals reject papers before solely for political reasons, like papers on man made climate change, gender transitioning, etc.

202454 ▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #177 of 1646 🔗

Perhaps, but absence of statistical significance makes rejection straightforward. They do publish negative trials occasionally, but then the data would have to barn-door negative – like zero difference – or even worse. They won’t publish a “hint of a signal” study – even in a huge trial. Those are the rules. I doubt politics is an issue here as people DO want to know the answer.

202456 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to djaustin, 2, #178 of 1646 🔗

I doubt politics is an issue here as people DO want to know the answer.”

Some people do. Like us sceptics. Others don’t. Do you seriously think political leaders and the others who have pushed for masks care whether they are effective or not? Compulsory masks will be with us forever unless and until the whole thing has been exposed as the nonsense that it is – which may well not happen in my lifetime.

202895 ▶▶▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Julian, 1, #179 of 1646 🔗

I was wondering if the reluctance of these journals to publish results could be down to the U S election .It seems to me that Trump making anti mask comments in the past and Biden being for them, that the issue may be a hot potato before November 3rd. So are they being impartial or are these journals all run by democrat supporters ? .Without going down the conspiracy rabbit hole i can’t think of another reason.

202507 ▶▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to djaustin, 1, #180 of 1646 🔗

I would have thought all things considered, that zero difference would be front page news.

203378 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to BJJ, #181 of 1646 🔗

He isn’t saying that there is no difference between the two assumptions (or, at least, that’s what it looks like to me). He’s saying that the sample size used for the trial may not be sufficient to produce a significative result based on the result distribution, so the journals are refusing publication because the paper doesn’t present a clear result, which only adds fuel to the fire. I doubt that this is the case, considering the reactions of the authors. Sounds to me like they are quite sure of the result, but it is a controversial one. In the current social climate, the only controversial, strong result that would get you blocked from publication is: “Masks don’t work.”

203367 ▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to djaustin, #182 of 1646 🔗

Where are you getting this idea that they’re rejecting the paper because of “absence of statistical significance”? Have they made such a claim? Because as far as i know, no reason has been given. As such, i see no reason why you’re so quick to excuse these journals for not publishing research. Yes, maybe the paper isn’t worthy of publication (which i highly doubt, considering the reserved remarks of the authors), but it is also likely that the paper is being rejected for political reasons.

202614 ▶▶▶ rose, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #183 of 1646 🔗

I thought medical journals are all funded by big pharma ??

203048 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to rose, #184 of 1646 🔗

And who do you think funds the democrats?

203045 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #185 of 1646 🔗

Agreed. And we’ve seen them (especially The Lancet) publish absolute nonsense for political reason.

203096 ▶▶▶▶ chris c, replying to Cheezilla, #186 of 1646 🔗

Haha yes, EAT-Lancet with all its dietary micronutrient deficiencies, and far too many carbs. See the sponsors to find out why. “Food” manufacturers, drug companies, seed suppliers and agrochemical producers

202400 ▶▶ hat man, replying to djaustin, #187 of 1646 🔗

Possibly, but 3,000 in each group isn’t a small number, unless the norm in this kind of research is for say 5-figure numbers in both test group and control group. Is it?

202435 ▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to hat man, #188 of 1646 🔗

Sample size is dependent on both size of the effect and variability in effect. Many has been the trial that was hit by more variability than planned. A signal is measured but the confidence in that signal falls. Vaccines trials have big numbers for both safety and efficacy. Cardiovascular trials have tens of thousands to find small effects in rare events. Cancer trials need far fewer patients because the outcome is so grim.

202444 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to hat man, #189 of 1646 🔗

Been looking for you. In Berks arent you?

202501 ▶▶ Commander Jameson, replying to djaustin, 5, #190 of 1646 🔗

The rule is actually:
P<0.05 = have a hope of publishing somewhere. None of my “P<0.05” papers ever made it into NEJM or Lancet. Nothing to do with the level of statistical significance, but because the results were not sufficiently interesting.

Far too few “failed studies” get published at all, because editors think the results are uninteresting. It’s called “publication bias”. It’s been a big problem for a very long time.

Failing to reject the null hypothesis is not necessarily the sign of an underpowered trial – it can also happen because the null hypothesis is correct. You can find other studies that failed to reject the null hypothesis here:


Now, while a study failing to reject the null hypothesis is not evidence for the null hypothesis, once we have lots of reasonably (but not perfectly) designed studies that go looking for the same effect and fail to find it, and no such studies that do find an effect, then we should rather be strengthened in the level of confidence with which we accept the null hypothesis.

203067 ▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to Commander Jameson, -1, #191 of 1646 🔗

Since this is the first randomized controlled trial of its type, I’m pretty sure it would have made it into one of those three journals if P < 0.05. NEJM and Lancet in particular, pride themselves in publishing “first in class” results. Multiple negative replicates would be strong evidence. But if the effect is small, and the endpoint noisy, then evidence may not be easily forthcoming. Welcome to Psychiatry drug trials! About half of which have a placebo response that would be large enough to be a good drug effect, hence detection of an additional treatment effect is challenging.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmra1510064 is worth a read on what happens when the primary outcome is not met.

203448 ▶▶▶▶ Commander Jameson, replying to djaustin, #192 of 1646 🔗

I helped to get a drug marketed recently despite the pivotal trial failing to meet its primary endpoint.

Your “p<0.05” argument is precisely the publication bias I mentioned. If it’s a “negative” trial, they won’t publish it, despite the result being of intense interest.

The trial was one-tailed, wasn’t it? and had an event-based primary endpoint. so no noise.

202515 ▶▶ TJN, replying to djaustin, 1, #193 of 1646 🔗

But one of the authors said that they were looking for a journal brave enough to publish, not one which was less bothered about P numbers

202527 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to TJN, 1, #194 of 1646 🔗

Oh and where are the studies with suitable P numbers published that show the usefulness of masks?? Burden of proof is on those who wish to mandate this.

And I don’t know what a P value is btw …

203456 ▶▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to TJN, #195 of 1646 🔗

The p value is the probability of seeing an effect of the size observed by chance, were the experiment to be repeated many many times. Statistical significance uses the convention of 1/20 times, so P =0.05 is the magic number. Low P values imply a finding probably isn’t chance. They don’t mean it’s true.

Maybe there were other flaws. I’ve been rejected bu 2/3 of those journals too. Even for positive studies.

203714 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to djaustin, #196 of 1646 🔗


It seems a very rigid rule to be applied in all cases – given the dearth of empirical data concerning the public wearing of masks one would have thought that any trial evidence would be of interest.

203941 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to TJN, #197 of 1646 🔗

Well suppose you saw a fall of 25% with P = 0.17. That might be a meaningful effect, but it could have been by chance and would be expected about 1/6 times. Three more trials with the same effect would allow the results to be combined (called meta-analysis) and make a stronger claim. As I said, 1/20 is a convention. One of the largest trials in COPD had P = 0.051. With every other less important endpoint being less than 0.05. That was eventually accepted.

The rule is not always totally rigid, but it’s a pretty robust measure.

202530 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to djaustin, 3, #198 of 1646 🔗

I think you may be right and it’s a sad state of affairs when the burden of proof appears to be on showing that masks are NOT effective.

202361 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 47, #199 of 1646 🔗

Long COVID – Wancock at it again, fearmongering. This from The Telegraph (free article):


It attracted this excellent comment:

Barbara Pigden
23 Oct 2020 7:16AM
Hey Government, how about really scaring people with the following

1. destruction of the future of the under 50s
2. cancer patients missing out on lifesaving interventions
3. Elderly committing suicide from isolation
4. Children’s education being laid waste
5. Normal, healthy interaction between people being undermined
6. A population being infantilised into compliance
7.the hard work and sacrifices of business owners being for nothing
8. The trail of families devastated by unemployment
9. Countless immune systems being weakened from lack of stimulation of social mixing
10. How many lungs filled with fibres and bacteria from wearing masks repeatedly
11. The wilful manipulation of numbers to keep the panic going
12. The mis-information, knowing peddled by a government which should know better
13. The surrender of democracy to an un-elected, one objective body (SAGE)

because the above is what is really scaring me.

202381 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Tenchy, 8, #200 of 1646 🔗

16 comments at the mo, all sceptical and scathing.

202403 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Tenchy, 4, #201 of 1646 🔗

Free article, does that imply it is a government propaganda piece placed with intent to diseminate ‘the line’?

202412 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Basics, 2, #202 of 1646 🔗

Quite possibly.

202447 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Basics, #203 of 1646 🔗

Good point.

202489 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Tenchy, 1, #204 of 1646 🔗

Calling complete BS on this. Here’s the link to the Kings portal..


Led by Dr Claire Steves and Professor Tim Spector at King’s, this study focused on data from 4,182 COVID Symptom Study app users

Are under 50’s more likely to use the app?

202371 Cristi.Neagu, 9, #205 of 1646 🔗

Early stage [vaccine] trials have generally demonstrated an antibody response to inoculation with uncomfortable but so far generally tolerable side-effects in healthy adults

Umm… isn’t that what covid is for most healthy adults? An uncomfortable but generally tolerable condition? Are they saying that their covid vaccine is just giving people covid, and as a result they get the antibodies? What?

202372 Nessimmersion, 10, #206 of 1646 🔗

Occams razor:
Given that Japanese wearing of masks to prevent respiratory virus transmission results in a higher seasonal flu mortality rate than USA or Europe, why would one expect the Danish study to be different?

202376 Cecil B, #207 of 1646 🔗

Gething on the list please

Ooops that will be his fourth entry


202378 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 6, #208 of 1646 🔗

Right, I’m offski. Getting out of Dodge early, before they lock the Gulag gates.

See you all Sunday.

202419 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Nick Rose, #209 of 1646 🔗

Have fun.

Not much of a gate to lock really, from what I’ve seen.

202402 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Victoria, #211 of 1646 🔗

Good news. Sadly can’t see the Khan dictatorship ending – might be hope for other parts of the country.

202383 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 2, #212 of 1646 🔗

Torygraph should know better than to report disinformation. Is that a quarter of ALL hospital beds available, or a quarter of the OCCUPIED beds? The rest laying eerily empty, as reported?

“But the impact on hospitals in the North was even more stark, with more than a quarter of Liverpool University Hospital Trust beds occupied by Covid-19 patients.
In Lancashire and South Cumbria, one in seven hospital beds were occupied by people suffering from coronavirus, and in the North East and Yorkshire almost one in 10, 1,531, patients were in hospital with the virus.”

202390 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to James Leary #KBF, 4, #213 of 1646 🔗

As it’s written, it means ALL beds, occupied or not. However, it would not surprise me in the least if it was actually just OCCUPIED beds.

202408 ▶▶ John P, replying to James Leary #KBF, 1, #214 of 1646 🔗

I’ve been in a bad mood this morning, so forgive me, but I have a simple request, not just for you, but for anyone that does this.

PLEASE stop referring to the Daily Telegraph as the “Torygraph”. I find it really really annoying and irritating. It was maybe amusing the first couple of times.

These days its more or less one covid party in the House of Commons and the few sceptics are backbench Conservative MPs.

203056 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to John P, #215 of 1646 🔗

If it carries on like today, we’ll soon be calling it the Daily Telegraun!

202386 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 7, #216 of 1646 🔗

Covid: Why is coronavirus so deadly?

Have a read of this infantile report from the BBC:


Word fail me. Has the BBC now become an organisation with a 100% child audience?

202394 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Tenchy, 6, #217 of 1646 🔗

They really love their “loaded question” propaganda.

202401 ▶▶ John P, replying to Tenchy, 9, #218 of 1646 🔗

They want hanging. These wretched so-called journalists. This is egregious fear porn and naked propaganda.

It’s criminal.

How do they get away with this crap? How?

202411 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to John P, 3, #219 of 1646 🔗

Because they have great wodges of cash forced into their hands (bank transfer, actually)

202537 ▶▶ annie, replying to Tenchy, 6, #220 of 1646 🔗

The word is ‘infantile’, and that’s the audience the BBC now addresses.You see it in documentaries, which assume an attention span of about thirty seconds and undermine even that with incessant hideous music.

202392 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 4, #221 of 1646 🔗

Wrightington, Wigan & Leigh Teaching hospitals

Do NOT resuscitation orders on 45 year olds

reportedly WITHOUT their knowledge or consent!


202478 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Victoria, #222 of 1646 🔗

I see the Logans Run meme in the comments!

202397 TJN, replying to TJN, 24, #223 of 1646 🔗

In Molly Kingsley’s article (as cited in today’s post) she writes of the ‘hundreds of messages’ (one of which, incidentally, was from me) that UsForThem have received on the subject of masks within schools and at drop-off and pick-up.

In her final paragraph she concludes ‘I am increasing despondent’, before somewhat forlornly saying it is a debate we must have.

I’m not despondent. Fuck ’em. I can carry on like this indefinitely – the only unmuzzled parent outside the school. I don’t care if swathes of them never speak to me again. Too bad. It’s them who are in the wrong.

So come on Molly, don’t be despondent. Stand tall and be proud of what you’ve done. And just remember, if they win the mask battle it will be on to something else, the next line in the sand which we thought was inviolable. We’ll be seeing those chalk squares on UK playgrounds if we let them.

Anyone who says that other people’s children should wear masks is not fit to look after children.

Don’t give them an inch, a millimetre.

202486 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to TJN, 6, #224 of 1646 🔗

‘Being in a minority, even in a minority of one, did not make you mad. There was truth and there was untruth, and if you clung to the truth even against the whole world, you were not mad.’ George Orwell

The Oxford student quoted this in the excellent essay ‘Sanity is not Statistical’, linked to yesterday. It occurred to me, reading the account of the hysteria in the student house in Will’s update that somebody should put them in touch with him/her.

‘Only joking, they and all their cohort will be lost to their bonkers group-think and full-on drama which I’m sure will be rife at Oxbridge too. I had to smile at the reader’s recollection, forgotten by the young people, that they had been much sicker last year when they just got ordinary flu and not the glamorous Black Death! MW

202398 Jay Berger, 8, #225 of 1646 🔗

There’s an even better, clearer chart on that floating around on Telegram.
The more 65+year olds got a flu shot in a country, the higher the Covid death rate in the country.
No German miracle, no British/American cockup here, beyond the obvious ones, of course.

202404 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 18, #226 of 1646 🔗

On 5 June 2020, the World Health Organisation reversed its long standing position on the wearing of face masks by the general population. It did not do this on the basis of any scientific research, but, as even the BBC reported, it did so in response to lobbying. However, what neither the WHO or the BBC have said is who did the lobbying. I think we have a right to know.

202409 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #227 of 1646 🔗

Great point. WHO?

202427 ▶▶▶ HaylingDave, replying to Victoria, 7, #228 of 1646 🔗

Debra Cohen I think on BBC news night broke the story. She said that she confronted the WHO with her allegations, and they categorically did *NOT* deny it. But she said she had to protect her source.

The WHO claim – when acknowledging their reversal – that “new evidence came to light.” What evidence? It was never even hinted at.

There is nothing new nor novel about how SARS-Cov-2 is being transmitted through the population. Nothing. Some of the numbers of this virus’s core attributes which may influence an epidemic (CRF, IFR, affected demographic, symptoms, R-number, mode-of-transmission, etc ..) might all combine differently, but there’s nothing new on the list which would trigger a policy change in mask wearing after 30 years of consistent advice (Ivor Cummings said that the WHO’s advice had stood for 30 years, but I haven’t investigated this).

202416 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #229 of 1646 🔗

Is one lobby group. Look at who they are and their ‘expertise’.

DELVE science group, that feeds into SAGE, provided a study to hang the masks are good line from. Masked Hamsters provided the data for the DELVE study. Devi Sridhar is up to her neck in DELVE. I do not know the timing of the Masked hamster study in relation to 5 June 2020.

202450 ▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Basics, #230 of 1646 🔗

Link to DELVE report . Make of it what you will.

202564 ▶▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to Richard Pinch, 1, #231 of 1646 🔗

Didn´t bother to have it peer reviewed.

202680 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Basics, 5, #232 of 1646 🔗

Masks4all is supposedly based in Prague.Czechia mandated masks again when the seasonal wave started.They have now one of the world’s most quickly rising and deadly C-19 outbreak in the world( in the amount of dead accumulated over time,)even more than US.Masks don’t work.

202417 ▶▶ dpj, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #233 of 1646 🔗

It may well have involved masks4all or other similar group but I genuinely believe it was the Biden campaign encouraging them to do so on a ‘help us win the election and we’ll restore your funding’ basis

203442 ▶▶▶ Carlo, replying to dpj, #234 of 1646 🔗

Maybe Pelosi as well.

202405 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 22, #235 of 1646 🔗

Rays of hope 1 : 89 year old neighbour saying how she can’t stand wearing a mask whilst shopping and how it’s really getting her down, so showed her a mask exemption badge and told her that I’ll send off for one which I expect to arrive tomorrow; I am sure that she already looks and sounds 5 years younger.

202543 ▶▶ annie, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #236 of 1646 🔗

maybe we all ought to buy four or five exemption lanyards and have them ready to offer such victims. It would be money well spent.

202410 HaylingDave, replying to HaylingDave, 14, #238 of 1646 🔗

Gosh, just have to get this off my chest!

Talk about “mask creep”.

Both my son’s play youth football, and I just got this message from the youth football league secretary ( italics mine ):

“…. With the rise in Covid-19 cases that we are seeing ( we live in Hampshire, no appreciable rise whatsoever ) our criteria is the following:

  • Track and Trace with QR codes at each venue.
  • Wash/hand sanitise hands.
  • Social distance groups of 6 only.
  • Wear masks.

We are doing the first 3 at all venues so from this weekend our preferred choice is that at all games all spectators wear masks. We can not force you to do so but we feel this is the next step to keeping everyone as safe as possible.”

Jesus! A complete group-think, panic-y, fact-less, non-evidentiary based recommendation. Well fuck you.

Watching football in a park (no games are at venues, the are all on open playing fields in public parks) on a windy day with between 15-20 other supporters in total!

Seething at the moment, mask creep definitely on the rise!

202439 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to HaylingDave, 6, #239 of 1646 🔗

Absolutely ridiculous. Stand with your board stating the risks of mask wearing and hand out leaflets to all.

202449 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to HaylingDave, 6, #240 of 1646 🔗

There is going to be a mountain of claims for forced mask wearing. I give it til the New Year and you are going to start to see them. Maybe sooner if the Danish mask study is finally published. Not that it needs to be as the BMA have stated to AG that they don’t have evidence of efficacy in reducing viral spread and all the RCT’s show this too. Some even show more spread – an amplification.

There was a petition that was denied saying that insurers should be liable for damages caused by forcing customers to adopt Covid safety measures. They may walk scott free from this.

202468 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to mhcp, 1, #241 of 1646 🔗

You might be right. I’m worried though that a lot of businesses will be the target of these claims, when in a lot of cases, they’ve just had to work through the measures to keep operating. The insurers need to be got to, somehow.

202487 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to mhcp, 3, #242 of 1646 🔗

All the daytime tv lawers and solicitors Christmases and birthdays coming at once.
“Were you wrongly advised to wear a mask, was your mental health,etc etc?”

202479 ▶▶ Basics, replying to HaylingDave, 2, #243 of 1646 🔗

Can you simmer and suggest a reasonable alternative. Such as victoria’s leaflet to be handed out pointing out for and against.

Just looking for a way to captialise on the moment and not comply. They raised the issue so poss8bly time to work in an alternative measure.

202555 ▶▶▶ HaylingDave, replying to Basics, 6, #244 of 1646 🔗

Hi Basics, yes, I need to let this lie for a couple of hours; there’s absolutely no point in responding at this very moment given my feelings – I’ve learned to let electronic responses lie for a while from 35+ years of email communications 🙂 .

All parents are in a WhatsApp group, and later, I will calmly state my position about the effectiveness of the recommended behaviour (amplified by the absurdity of the context of the situation), along with documented dangers, and finish with explicit references to government exemptions.

See where I get with that – but under absolutely no circumstances, will I comply (obviously).

In a way, this might be a good thing – a show of open defiance of a ludicrous recommendation towards parents I have only casual contact with might be another tool in my persuasion arsenal.


202620 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to HaylingDave, 1, #245 of 1646 🔗

I need to let this lie for a couple of hours; there’s absolutely no point in responding at this very moment given my feelings – I’ve learned to let electronic responses lie for a while from 35+ years of email communications.

Hi Dave, I know the felling. I’ve got my beautiful wife who helps me with that; she just stands in front of me saying, “No! Not now! Later!”

202506 ▶▶ court, replying to HaylingDave, 2, #246 of 1646 🔗

Mask creep, like it. Daughters primary school just sent usual newsletter out with a small section advising ‘face coverings’ for parents at pick up and drop off when return to school after half term. Currently about 1 in 75 do. Will be interesting to see the uptake.

202718 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to HaylingDave, 3, #247 of 1646 🔗

Ask him if he’s done a risk assessment for mask wearing and therefore if he is insured for supporters having asthma attacks, fainting etc.
I would imagine if he hasn’t the risk assessment his insurance wouldn’t cover him, Awkward Git would know.

202414 Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 10, #248 of 1646 🔗

An inspiration:


“There are many new challenges in our lives now as we face changes in our society, our healthcare, our economy, and our livelihoods — all while our personal rights are under unprecedented attack.
The American people have come together to overcome a virus that has changed our world. Meanwhile, governmental leaders are dangerously experimenting with extreme measures of authoritarian overreach. Some of those measures, as those implemented by Governor Whitmer in Michigan, have threatened our constitutional freedoms and created additional economic and health challenges to numerous Michiganders.”

A relational organic movement of We The People of Michigan.
Reclaim and defend the rights and liberties of We The People of Michigan.
Equip and empower We The People to stand up for sacred values, citizen rights and constitutional freedoms.”

We need a stand up Manchester, Stand up Liverpool, Stand Up London, Stand Up Wales, Stand Up Scotland, Stand Up Northern Ireland, etc, etc.

202546 ▶▶ annie, replying to Mr Dee, 5, #249 of 1646 🔗

Wales has only just risen to the level of grovel.

202550 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Mr Dee, 2, #250 of 1646 🔗

Unfortunately, we don’t have the American constitution. That is a huge protection from government overreach, and can be challenged in the courts.
And unfortunately, both here and in the U.S., the judicial system has become political.

202560 ▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Lms23, #251 of 1646 🔗

Are we not supposed to petition the Queen and when exactly 50.0000001% of her “subjects” ask her to release them from tyranny, she’s supposed to get the army to arrest the government and lock them in the tower of london or something?

I don’t think she’s particularly bothered either way though

202595 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to captainbeefheart, #252 of 1646 🔗

It’s a misfortune that the monarch is so old.I sometimes think this is the only way out of this mess

202696 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Lms23, 1, #253 of 1646 🔗

… and can be challenged in the courts.

Can also be challenged with AR-15s. 🙂

204102 ▶▶▶ Sylvie, replying to Lms23, #254 of 1646 🔗

The judicial system has not become political in the UK. You just disagree with some of its findings.

202715 ▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Mr Dee, 2, #255 of 1646 🔗

We have a Stand Up Canada group. The tide is turning, albeit slowly.

202418 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 9, #256 of 1646 🔗

What does it mean to save a life?

Suppose we trust modelling that predicts x number of people will die given y number of infections. If we reduce y number of infections are we actually saving lives or are we merely avoiding a situation where people need to be saved? If the latter then can we really say that we have saved those lives?

As I walk around and look at people I know with near certainty that all these people will die at some point. If I lock them up in a room forever could I claim to have saved their lives by preventing them from dying of any myriad of things that could end them? If they died in that room then I would accept responsibility but I would counter that I had saved them from many other theoretical deaths. So really I would have saved more lives than were lost.

If I was judging myself on the above argument I would class my above self as deranged. Yet this is pretty much what is happening right in front of our eyes.

203133 ▶▶ chris c, replying to Nobody2020, #257 of 1646 🔗

No life has EVER been saved, just prolonged a bit.

Well there was that guy about 2020 years ago but that;s just an anecdote

202424 Cotton, replying to Cotton, 15, #258 of 1646 🔗

I got an email from the Lowry saying they were opening but that masks were mandatory and you would be refused entry if you were not wearing them. I wrote and reminded them of the exemptions; they wrote back and said that they talked about exemptions in their FAQ. I wrote back and said most people would not read the FAQ and that the landing page from their email with no mention of exemptions would put many off. They wrote back point blank refusing to update their page with the exemptions and told me to essentially fuck off but ‘thank you for your email’. Fucking raging. Anyone else want to try? The page is here: https://tickets.thelowry.com/en-GB/shows/the lowry gallery/events?dm_i=5OV3,3KFL,QC2WN,EEWV,1#_ga=2.145893684.1625518741.1603148231-1561076025.1580387545

I obviously won’t be going as their whole process sounds deranged and their response was both obnoxious and pathetic.

202445 ▶▶ John P, replying to Cotton, #259 of 1646 🔗

Your link is not working properly.

202448 ▶▶▶ Quernus, replying to John P, 1, #260 of 1646 🔗

Just copy the entire link and paste it into a new browser tab.

202472 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Cotton, 2, #262 of 1646 🔗

Defund the Lowry

202428 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 9, #263 of 1646 🔗

Denis Swayne clip is superb.

202440 ▶▶ John P, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #264 of 1646 🔗

Desmond Swayne. Yes, I posted it yesterday. Here it is again:


202534 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to John P, #265 of 1646 🔗

Woops Desmond. Indeed.

202471 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #266 of 1646 🔗

One of the very few MPs that has stood up for the British public. Top man!

202593 ▶▶ HaylingDave, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #267 of 1646 🔗

I’ve sent him a little thank you message – as I have in the past.

He is always kind enough to answer back, even if it is just a few words.

A damn sight better effort than my local puppet MP has ever done.

202434 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 7, #268 of 1646 🔗

So most us objectors, have probably been accused of making masks political at some point. Is that so?

202457 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to PoshPanic, 8, #269 of 1646 🔗

If this was a real pandemic, they’d be wearing medical N95/FFP2 masks.
Instead, those politicians are so stupid, that they don’t even realize that through wearing these medically useless pseudo-patriotic pieces of cloth, they explicitly CONFIRM that the mask mandate and wearing masks is nothing but a Gessler’s hat, like the Hitler salute was one.
On top of it though, the current salute is also dangerous to its performer/wearer, especially so if they are children.

202540 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to PoshPanic, 9, #270 of 1646 🔗

As Boris has had the CV19 virus and recovered, he’s neither infectious nor can he be infected again – unless this is some new virus that doesn’t behave like every other virus in history – he doesn’t need to wear a mask. It’s purely political theatre.

202592 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Lms23, #271 of 1646 🔗


202642 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #272 of 1646 🔗

Don’t have a photo to link to but I have seen MSM photos of Irish Government ministers and their masks have the Irish tricolour on them.

Funny thing is that when I was a child (1980s), openly displaying the tricolour in Dublin on a regular basis marked you out as an IRA supporter!

202443 MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 33, #273 of 1646 🔗

The psyop in action: Last night we celebrated our wedding anniversary a bit early because our favourite restaurant owner was supposed to be going abroad next week. It’s a distance away so we pre-booked a taxi. The driver, a laconic and phlegmatic man with a wicked sense of humour arrived, muzzled and not happy. He said if he doesn’t wear it he is bound to get dobbed in (too true). He and his wife, an artist, have had virtually no work since early March. We asked if he knew of any risk-assessments being done for driving while muzzled and, of course, he didn’t. He says it stops him wearing his glasses – yikes! His driving was fine, anyway, but that’s not the point.

The restaurant: The lovely co-owner hidden behind a mask. She told us she had already been snitched on for not wearing it and the council had been round to bollock her about the spacing of the tables. We could hardly understand anything she said through the mask.

Everyone was sitting around, seemingly enjoying themselves but with 4 exceptions (us and another couple who stayed resolutely bare-faced throughout) they were all obediently putting their muzzles on to walk the 3 feet to the door when they left or to go to the toilet. Everyone else who came in was compliantly muzzled. We saw a few people hand-sanitising on entry. A group of women even used it as they left, FFS. One woman muzzled-up while she was still sitting at her table, presumably waiting for a taxi! She was there for ages and I shifted my chair so I didn’t have to look at her.

How can anyone just go along with ‘rules’ that tell us that you can sit at a table, talk loudly, laugh etc and the virus won’t get you but stand up or walk and, oh boy, we’re all going to die if you don’t put your dirty muzzle on. With the exception of the idiot woman (above), every single one of these morons put them on at the last minute and whipped them off immediately so they must know it’s bollocks. All of them live in pockets or handbags so they must be real health-hazards. Still, nobody seems to have any problem with what’s being done to them.

Alan G did a pretend ‘crawl’ to the toilet at one point, just to make us both feel a bit better. One bloke whose muzzle was tiny and looked like it was made from women’s knickers wore it above his nose going to the loo and below his chin coming back. I guess that was the nearest he dared go towards rebellion.

We love the restaurant and the food was as delicious as ever but the experience was depressing. When we paid (cash) the owner told us their holiday – to visit family – is cancelled because her parents’ country is in quarantine yet again. She is royally pissed off but they are determined to try to keep their business going.

As we got out of the taxi, AlanG told the driver to look up ‘The Great Reset’. His reply, ‘Oh I know all about that!’. That’s something, I suppose. MW

202453 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 6, #274 of 1646 🔗

IF masks could make a difference at all, it would be during the intense, close conversations held AT the table, in a conference room etc..
So exactly there, where they are completely impractical and NOT mandated (yet..).
They are just Gessler’s hats, nothing else.

202461 ▶▶ John P, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 38, #275 of 1646 🔗

Masks are just a device to scare people. They really give me the creeps. I’m sick and tired of seeing these things.

The people that annoy me the most are not the elderly who often only have access to poor quality news from the BBC. And I am similarly not too upset by shopworkers for whom they are mandatory. Nor even teenagers who have probably been told by their parents to put them on.

The people that really wind me up are the middle aged and the young adults who wear them in the street. They have my deepest contempt.

202502 ▶▶ Paul, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 1, #276 of 1646 🔗

made from women’s knickers’,that’s the first thing thats made me laugh today !,I’ve seen some like that,perhaps they feel comfortable indulging their fetish in public now.

202553 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Paul, 5, #277 of 1646 🔗

Straight off the arse and on to the face.
In Wancock’s case (and others) it makes no difference.

202655 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to annie, 4, #278 of 1646 🔗

Annie! You are restored. 🙂 MW

202734 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to annie, 2, #279 of 1646 🔗

They wear nappies to cover their arse but put it on the wrong end!

202529 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 5, #280 of 1646 🔗

“How can anyone just go along with ‘rules’ that tell us that you can sit at a table, talk loudly, laugh etc and the virus won’t get you but stand up or walk and, oh boy, we’re all going to die if you don’t put your dirty muzzle on.”

Ah, well, that’s because it’s a smart virus that only infects people above a height of three feet from the ground, so it doesn’t get you when you’re seated, but if you stand up it’ll go after you. It also knows the time of day and will only infect people in a pub or restaurant after 10:00PM…

202854 ▶▶ Edward, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 2, #281 of 1646 🔗

Hi MiriamW, I was in your area again yesterday, train to New Mills and a walk in the Whaley Bridge and Bugsworth area. A bunch of old blokes on the train (even older than me, anyway), looked as if they were going walking. All of them masked but having loud conversations, one in particular going HAHAHAHAHA at frequent intervals. So in the unlikely event that any of them were covidy, the particles must have been going up, down, and out both sides of the masks.
Whaley Bridge was very masky in the main street. Even on the canal towpath I saw one or two masked, though most not.

202446 Poppy, replying to Poppy, 8, #282 of 1646 🔗


Note the picture with the article – it looks photoshopped. I’m not aware of any places that have Christmas trees up at this time of year, the photo is unlikely to be from any previous year, and the masked person in front looks very blurry – employing the ‘out of focus’ foreground technique to hide the fact the photo has been doctored. More subliminal messaging, psyop in full swing.

202452 ▶▶ John P, replying to Poppy, 5, #283 of 1646 🔗

Vallance can fuck off.

As for the photo, I really couldn’t see any significance to it. I can’t see any evidence of a psyop in that photo. It’s just a picture poppy. “Creatives” – graphic designers – love to play around with photoshop. I think you’re reading too much into it.

202462 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Poppy, 2, #284 of 1646 🔗


Does anyone really think ITV would allow an unmasked figure right in the middle of the picture?

Christmas tree up by October 22nd?

202464 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Poppy, 3, #285 of 1646 🔗

If he carries on I wouldn’t be surprised if someone shoves a Christmas tree were de sun don’t shine

202516 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Cecil B, 1, #286 of 1646 🔗

What about Santa’s sleigh and his reindeer as well ?

202497 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Poppy, 1, #287 of 1646 🔗

Good spot. Take a look at the reflection in the baubles, the subject is not reflected.

202504 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Poppy, #288 of 1646 🔗

Oh, I don’t know so much. Most supermarkets start selling Christmas stuff from September…
Having a Christmas tree up as well if they’re trying to sell their stock is not completely unlikely.

202512 ▶▶ HaylingDave, replying to Poppy, 15, #289 of 1646 🔗

From the article:

“I want us to be able to celebrate Christmas as normally as it is possible to do within the context of a global pandemic,” Ms Sturgeon said.

“My message to people is that the more we all stick with these really difficult restrictions right now, the more chance there will be of us doing that.”

You can fuck off, you blackmailing cow.

202597 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Poppy, #290 of 1646 🔗

Here’s a glimpse of Boris’s Christmas yet to come.


202463 Lms23, replying to Lms23, 12, #292 of 1646 🔗

Delusional psychosis drives Americans to enforce fear-based COVID restrictions

Read more: https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/10/delusional_psychosis_drives_americans_to_enforce_fearbased_covid_restrictions.html#ixzz6bh7YbPQj

“How have we come from “We have nothing to fear but fear itself” to “Fear is virtuous…and mandatory?”

From the beginning, fear has driven the government response to the coronavirus pandemic. Americans have been told they should be afraid. More important, they have been instructed that expressing fear, through the wearing of masks and self-isolation by the healthy, is their moral duty. For the first time in United States history, fear is no longer seen as an emotion to overcome, like jealousy or greed, but rather as one to embrace. We should be proud to be afraid, we are told, and we should call out anyone who isn’t. In fact, any act of courage must be condemned as immoral as well as illegal.”

Not just here. Exactly the same political games are happening there as well as here.

202561 ▶▶ annie, replying to Lms23, 3, #293 of 1646 🔗

C. S. Lewis has his devil, Screwtape, remark that cowardice is the only vice that the devils have been unable to make men proud of.
That was written during WW2, when courage shone out as never before.
Eighty years on and the devils have won their final victory.

202567 ▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to Lms23, 3, #294 of 1646 🔗

I think fear is regarded as one the five/six basic or core emotions. So when fear is deployed, it is operating at the level of emotion, rather than reason. Perhaps compliance is much easier when emotion rather than reason prevails.

202465 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #295 of 1646 🔗

I looked up the reference given in an earlier post to the ONS Report for Deaths in September, it is very involved, very professional and takes some wading through but the effort is worth it and it is enlightening. But what then struck me is that now we have to delve into a complex report like this to get a handle on what is going on. This is in stark contrast to the situation in April/May when total deaths in some weeks were double the average figure as a result of Covid and you did not have to delve into many charts to see that things were quite alarming.

The fact that we now have to delve into charts and reports to see the effect of Covid indicates to me that it has now settled down to being one of the noted causes of deaths but not not one of the major causes and not deserving of special attention. Many people, including SAGE and the Government seem convinced that Covid will roar back and become the major death cause again but there is no sign of that happening. So much so that all this current lock-down hoo-haa seems totally futile.
Is there anything that can be done to wake people up to the futility of the current actions?

202476 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Steve Martindale, 8, #296 of 1646 🔗

The definition of a ‘covid-19’ death is:

  1. Dead
  2. Positive test within the last 28 days.

Two things:

  1. From Dr. Yeadon we know what the false positive situation is.
  2. These are not covid admissions but people admitted and then tested.

From which I assert that it is very probable that nobody is dying from covid-19

Given the above definitions, ONS data on ‘covid-19 deaths’ is meaningless.

202733 ▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to calchas, 1, #297 of 1646 🔗

PHE counts deaths in hospital with positive test and for whatever reason. ONS counts deaths wherever where Covid is on the death certificate as a cause of death. Different definitions, different numbers.

202467 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 5, #298 of 1646 🔗

Scotland announces 5 tier lockdown, why stop there?
20,30,100 teir lockdown, “pick and mix” ?

202522 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #299 of 1646 🔗

Because Stalin would immediately implement an additional tier so she can say ‘Look we did more for you than Westminster did’ as Scotland lies in ruins around her.

202473 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #300 of 1646 🔗

Question to my MP:
Dear Jason
Am I missing something?

“As of Thursday …. In Lancashire and South Cumbria, one in seven hospital beds were occupied by people suffering from coronavirus, and in the North East and Yorkshire almost one in 10, 1,531, patients were in hospital with the virus.”

Does this mean that there are only ever 15,310 hospital beds across all hospital wards in the whole of Yorkshire and the North East?
Or does it mean that, due to covid safety measures, those are the only available beds in this enormous region?

His answer:
Thank you for your email. That would be the beds currently available, obviously some wards have had to be altered to make them covid safe. In the first wave hospitals were responsible for high levels of transmissions. It is another indication why all these measures are needed to get the cases down which are leading to hospitalisations, and as I keep saying then impacting on other services.
Kind regards,


202481 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #301 of 1646 🔗

In other words, the rest of the hospitals are closed.
Save the NHS from the public.

202585 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Lms23, 2, #302 of 1646 🔗

There is a yes minister episode with a brand new hospital fully staffed but no patients.The staff and the bureaucrats think it’s running wonderfully.
Sums up the NHS at the moment

203149 ▶▶▶▶ chris c, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 2, #303 of 1646 🔗

Saw the same bollocks in industry. The Purxhasing Manager told me my customers were “ordering the wrong parts”. No you dolt, they were ordering the right parts, you just didn’t want to buy them. There was a belief among senior management that customers were a damn nuisance interfering with the smooth running of the factory.

As ibdustry dies I suspect many of these cretins now work for the NHS

203221 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to chris c, #304 of 1646 🔗

I suspect you’re right!

202474 Lms23, replying to Lms23, 4, #305 of 1646 🔗


Why Are SO Many People Getting Positive Results (Without Even Taking Tests)

There was a private lab that I know of where one of the staff was reporting HIV results without testing any of the samples. He was sacked, but I don’t know if the lab ever owned up and double-checked the samples.

If NHS labs are doing the testing, I doubt they’d be reporting results without running the samples, but if it’s being done privately, I wouldn’t put it past them. If there’s a lot of money involved, there’s going to be the potential for fraudulent behaviour, taking the money, not running samples to maximise profits.

202505 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Lms23, 1, #306 of 1646 🔗


Coronavirus testing lab ‘chaotic and dangerous’, scientist claims

202475 p02099003, 1, #307 of 1646 🔗

Just a thought, but could the authors try alternative peer reviewed publications? For example Biomedical Central (BMC)

202482 DThom, replying to DThom, 8, #308 of 1646 🔗

Went to the surgery for a blood test today.
Discarded masks were littering the practice car park!

202491 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to DThom, 7, #309 of 1646 🔗

Phone the council. Report bio-hazard waste.

Seriously, do it.

202492 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to DThom, 2, #310 of 1646 🔗

Don’t it say it all ?

202495 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to DThom, 2, #311 of 1646 🔗

That’s disgraceful. People should at least dispose of the masks properly.

It’s like all those youngsters who are so worried about the environment, have large protests to complain about it, and leave mountains of rubbish behind.

203223 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to DThom, #312 of 1646 🔗

I suspect it’s a form of protest.

202488 cloud6, replying to cloud6, 11, #313 of 1646 🔗

If this image is genuine, then as a country we are child abusing our children, where was it taken?, and in the image the adult is not even wearing her mask properly (it’s under her nose). Have we really come to this?
The image disgusts me.

202498 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to cloud6, 6, #314 of 1646 🔗

It disgusts any sane, thinking person.

202518 ▶▶ Kev, replying to cloud6, 5, #315 of 1646 🔗

It is pure evil, if this does not lead to criminal prosections something is seriouysly wrong with the parents of those poor children, enough to make a grown man weep.

If a school had done that to my two daughters, well I can’t finish that sentence!!

Its not even as if the masks are even required by law, never mind the perspex cage, utterly de-humanising, do they even do that in NK to children that age?

202545 ▶▶▶ cloud6, replying to Kev, #316 of 1646 🔗

So mad about this I have sent my comments to the DHSC contact us on their website, I await their reply with great interest. I urge you all to do the same. My MP will also be getting this as well.

202551 ▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to cloud6, #317 of 1646 🔗

Does anyone know which school this is?

202552 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to cloud6, 1, #318 of 1646 🔗

According to Google image search it is Provo, Utah.

202687 ▶▶ davews, replying to cloud6, 1, #319 of 1646 🔗

I think this is the same one posted by Toby here a month or so ago and not in the UK.

202496 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 6, #320 of 1646 🔗

3 deliveries this week: Amazon, Hermes and Royal Mail: no masks and the latter 2 handed the parcels to me.

Is this reason for hope, in the form of spreading non-compliance?

But of course here in Sturgeon’s utopia- funded , but not acknowledged by Westminster-we now have the positively mind bending prospect of 5 tiers to look forward to.

The Dear Leader has also denounced Westminster for not dishing out the dosh quickly enough:


Will she never stop? Life here is in the lost and found, but still she carps and postures and snipes.

202499 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to wendyk, 4, #321 of 1646 🔗

It’s always somebody else’s fault

202523 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to stefarm, 2, #322 of 1646 🔗

And she keeps getting away with it!

202500 Bill Hickling, replying to Bill Hickling, 12, #323 of 1646 🔗

I enjoyed the letter received by the Daily Telegraph Planet Normal team from a builder who said he tested himself 15 times rather than send the test kits to his employees on site. His 15 results came back as 6 negative and 9 positive. Can this be true?

202519 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Bill Hickling, 4, #324 of 1646 🔗

Three-fifths of him needs to self-isolate for 14 days.

I’ve heard of this before – a journalist back in early Summer wrote an article on how she’d been tested 4 times and got 2 mixed results (50/50 I think). I wish I’d kept a record of the article.

202558 ▶▶▶ Quernus, replying to Mr Dee, 2, #325 of 1646 🔗

I’m pulling together a list of links of stories like this – with the right publicity and investigation, this really could make a big difference.

203293 ▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Quernus, #326 of 1646 🔗

I’m interested in this project could we not try to get tested as a LS Group?

202548 ▶▶ Quernus, replying to Bill Hickling, 1, #327 of 1646 🔗

I’m hearing about this more and more often, and I’ve started keeping links to this sort of story. Was this announced on Planet Normal, or is there an actual letter/comment on the website?

202571 ▶▶▶ Bill Hickling, replying to Quernus, 2, #328 of 1646 🔗

Yes announced on Planet Normal near the end of today’s edition.

202576 ▶▶▶▶ Quernus, replying to Bill Hickling, #329 of 1646 🔗

Thanks, I’ll have a listen and drop them a line.

203859 ▶▶ David, replying to Bill Hickling, #330 of 1646 🔗

Whether it is true or not, it’s a good test, which makes me think: if the government are confident that the tests are accurate, they could destroy the “false positive” argument by sending 100 samples from a single individual to each of their labs and publishing the results.

202509 Liam, replying to Liam, 15, #331 of 1646 🔗

As I no longer watch any MSM media, I’ve only just realised the extent of Drakeford’s lockdown in Wales and banning shops from selling “non-essentials.”

The man is a criminal lunatic, and needs to be sectioned, right now.

202612 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Liam, 1, #332 of 1646 🔗

Telly is well known to give you Coronaphobia

203154 ▶▶ chris c, replying to Liam, 1, #333 of 1646 🔗

Surely everything shops sell is essential or the shops wouldn;t exist

202510 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 6, #334 of 1646 🔗

Amazing Debate on Lockdown Ideology versus Scientific Approach – Unmissable!!


Ivor Cummins
Wow – this one really covers the reality – excellent debate, and finally we are seeing it televised on mainstream!

202559 ▶▶ Quernus, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #335 of 1646 🔗

This is a brilliant discussion – the assistant professor of neuoscience really looked out of his depth in this!

202605 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Quernus, 2, #336 of 1646 🔗

Yeah. 12 Weeks full lockdown.

That’ll be us back to normal then yeah?

Oh, you’ve got a spreadsheet

203231 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #337 of 1646 🔗

Yes. It worked so well the first time round!

203540 ▶▶▶ chris c, replying to Quernus, #338 of 1646 🔗

The classic Intellectual Yet Idiot

202514 swedenborg, 9, #339 of 1646 🔗


“September 2020 was the least deadly month in Swedish history. But wait, there’s a deadly virus raging and herd immunity is impossible without vaccines. How can this be?

 But you can spot the Spanish flu 1918 and cholera epidemics earlier.

202517 Will, replying to Will, 7, #340 of 1646 🔗

Should all sceptics be doing their bit by filming themselves testing fruit and veg?

202524 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Will, 1, #341 of 1646 🔗


202526 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 4, #342 of 1646 🔗

I will be testing a leek, bara brith and a sheep if I get the chance.

202565 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Mr Dee, 2, #343 of 1646 🔗

Baah, try a humbug.

202532 ▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to Will, 3, #344 of 1646 🔗

In Tanzania they tested a pawpaw, an oil can and a goat and all came back positive.

202648 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Now More Than Ever, #345 of 1646 🔗

Engine oil came back negative. Hahaha!

202554 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Will, 1, #346 of 1646 🔗

What about the people including me who always “squish” sealed loaves of bread to check the freshness ?

204133 ▶▶▶ Sylvie, replying to Fingerache Philip., #347 of 1646 🔗

‘Sealed loaves of bread’ are not bread, they are a construct. However they squish, means nothing good.

202572 ▶▶ Quernus, replying to Will, 7, #348 of 1646 🔗

I am currently waiting for a PCR test kit, and my plan is to film myself (with a witness) doing what the chap on Facebook did, proving that I have not swabbed anything with it.I have given them a contact number for my old Nokia phone, and if it does come back positive with a demand that I self-isolate for 10 days, I will be very happy to get as much publicity about this as possible.

202588 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Quernus, 3, #349 of 1646 🔗

Or: you could film yourself on a daily basis not having sent the swab back at all, and wait for your “results” to come back. You will need to have the news on as background or something so that you can prove you’ve had it for ten days or whatever is needed.

202791 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Lms23, 3, #350 of 1646 🔗

I had a test lying around for days and finally sent it off under same circumstances as others, straight from package into vile.
Never heard from them and waited 40 minutes on the helpline to try and get results, but then I could not take the announcements any longer.

202802 ▶▶▶▶▶ Quernus, replying to Silke David, 1, #351 of 1646 🔗

How long has it been since you sent it back? And did you have post yours back, or was it collected? The letter I got said a courier would come round to collect the sample once I’d taken it.

203451 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Simon, replying to Quernus, #352 of 1646 🔗

If any of these tests come back positive, won’t they run out of couriers?

202801 ▶▶▶▶ Quernus, replying to Lms23, 1, #353 of 1646 🔗

Apparently they send round a courier to collect the test kit once the swabbing has been done. I received two letters and a text before I replied to them, and now I’m going to have the test hand-collected – how much is all this costing us?!

203233 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Quernus, #354 of 1646 🔗


202865 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Quernus, 1, #355 of 1646 🔗

Good job – thank you very much for your efforts in this regard. It might be worth seeing if any anti-lockdown journalists are interested as well.

202525 Paul, replying to Paul, 10, #356 of 1646 🔗

Watching the obedient sheep going in and out of a shop I noticed one woman smear her hands with the sanitiser gunk going in and she did again on the way out,she came out of the exit door and went back to the entrance to do it,it took a lot of effort for me not to ask her wtf is wrong with you ?.

202541 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Paul, 5, #357 of 1646 🔗

And what about the creeps who I’m sure spend about 10 minutes sanitizing their supermarket trolley.

202581 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #358 of 1646 🔗

Yeah, well, I’m not so sure that supermarket trolley handles aren’t a source of infection. The only place I’d been before I went down with a flu-like virus in March was Morrison’s.
Washing hands, sanitizing trolley handles is a good idea generally. It’s the rest of the bllx that I object to.

202587 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Lms23, #359 of 1646 🔗

Fair point.

202706 ▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Paul, 2, #360 of 1646 🔗

In the loo at a service station the other day I saw this bloke cover his hands with sanitiser AFTER washing his hands with soap and water.

202856 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to charleyfarley, 2, #361 of 1646 🔗

That does not surprise me. I think many people assume hand sanitiser is an anti-Covid medication, not just an alternative to soap and water.

202528 nat, 9, #362 of 1646 🔗

An astonishing about face from a Melbourne Police Chief yesterday about the emergency lockdown powers. He previously gave a thuggish press conference before an earlier protest , stating that “ we will be waiting for you, anyone coming to the protest will be fined and arrested before your feet touch the ground. ” Yesterday, however, he said that we did fact have the right to protest, it is a human right. It is a stunning admission that these emergency powers do not undo our human rights as they have previously maintained, and effectively means that the lockdown has been unlawful. The Police have dealt with fines by adjourning the court dates of those challenging them until next year, although someone I know has just been notified that her fine has been dropped. Like the UK, there are numerous legal challenges in Victoria and there is an important hearing coming up in a couple of weeks. I wonder if they have seen the writing on the wall (and the campaign bus)?

202531 nat, replying to nat, 8, #363 of 1646 🔗

An astonishing about face from a Melbourne Police Chief yesterday about the emergency lockdown powers. He previously gave a thuggish press conference before an earlier protest calling us “batshit crazy conspiracy theorists” and stating that “ we will be waiting for you, anyone coming to the protest will be fined and arrested before your feet touch the ground.” Yesterday, however, he said that we did fact have the right to protest, it is a human right. It is a stunning admission that these emergency powers do not undo our human rights as they have previously maintained, and effectively means that the lockdown has been unlawful. The Police have dealt with fines by adjourning the court dates of those challenging them until next year, although someone I know has just been notified that her fine has been dropped. Like the UK, there are numerous legal challenges in Victoria and there is an important hearing coming up in a couple of weeks. I wonder if they have seen the writing on the wall (and the campaign bus)?

202573 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to nat, 4, #364 of 1646 🔗

Maybe more mention of Nuremberg Mark 2 might concentrate a few minds…

202619 ▶▶▶ nat, replying to Lms23, 2, #365 of 1646 🔗

Justice !

202533 jb12, replying to jb12, 6, #366 of 1646 🔗

Stalin announces a five tier lockdown, with the lowest tier being what we had in August i.e. no dental treatment, limited access to health service, no contact sports, masks everywhere and on and on. What happens to this bullshit when a vaccination either does not come or proves about as effective as everyone with a brain knows it could ever be?

202538 ▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to jb12, 5, #367 of 1646 🔗

They double down and carry on. They’ll think they’ve won by then.

202547 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Now More Than Ever, 2, #368 of 1646 🔗

Notice the latest ‘doubling down’ – testing shit as the latest stage in the testing shit in order to find odd bits of RNA.

203236 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to RickH, #369 of 1646 🔗

I’d like to see them track and trace that!

202535 steph, 12, #370 of 1646 🔗

Thanks to Karenovirus for answering my question late on yesterday’s page. I have been out since, exercising and doing some mask free shopping at our local M&S attached to the BP services. I was the only one there with no mask. Not hugely busy. I was not questioned by anyone. I carry a lanyard but am basically refusing to wear it.
I’m getting braver and will try to venture out more because I think it’s important that people see some normality.
Child earlier was very pleased to grin at me when many others in the outdoor queue at a tea kiosk were masked. I despair at what these mothers think they are doing hiding their faces from their children .
Back to the effluent testing that KV mentioned – yet more desperate attempts to keep the numbers up but sadly many people will fall for it.

202539 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 6, #371 of 1646 🔗

Great clip from Desmond Swayne. I’d love to know what’s going through Steve Baker’s head in the background there.

202570 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to mattghg, 6, #372 of 1646 🔗

“Racism…white supremacy…white privilege….”

202542 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 8, #373 of 1646 🔗

Daily Mail: hidden way down the page:
Britons are to get unlicensed flu injections from the US in bid to vaccinate 30million this winter

Not me, they aren’t.

202566 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Ceriain, 5, #374 of 1646 🔗

I’ve already refused the annual flu injection offered by my GP surgery. They didn’t argue or try to persuade me otherwise.

202674 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Lms23, 3, #375 of 1646 🔗

So have I. GP fully accepting of my decision.

202544 Al T, replying to Al T, 23, #376 of 1646 🔗

Just popping in for my daily dose of sanity.

Why in earth am I seeing people driving around in their own cars, on their own, wearing masks FFS?

I really want to ask them; Who do you think you’re protecting – and from what in your own sealed, air conditioned space? Are you quite mad?

202557 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Al T, 5, #377 of 1646 🔗

They are.

202563 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Al T, 2, #378 of 1646 🔗

Yes. They are.
Didn’t one guy pass out at the wheel because he’d been wearing a mask for too long??

202568 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Al T, 5, #379 of 1646 🔗

JP Sears sums up the madness brilliantly:


202569 ▶▶ HaylingDave, replying to Al T, 17, #380 of 1646 🔗

Everytime I see a lone youngster walking on a deserted rural pavement wearing a mask, a little part of me withers away.

We use to be a nation of scientists, inventors, mathematicians … poets, artists, dreamers and thinkers. And now look at us! Reduced to group-think myopic, wed-wetting (sorry!) innumerate, unimaginative, uninquisitive, busybody, tell-tale infantiles.

“Pathetic” doesn’t even scratch the surface.

202626 ▶▶▶ ChrisW, replying to HaylingDave, 1, #381 of 1646 🔗

poets, artists, dreamers and thinkers

Big Big Train?

202850 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to HaylingDave, 4, #382 of 1646 🔗

True but don’t forget we were also once a nation of puritans, some of whom went as far as banning the theatre, dancing, and even Christmas! There’s always been a strong streak of Calvinism in the UK, particularly in Scotland. The only difference now is people are worried about the state of their health, rather than their immortal souls.

202607 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Al T, 7, #383 of 1646 🔗

What I want to ask them is why they are driving around. Don’t they know they could run over a granny?

202641 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Al T, 3, #384 of 1646 🔗

I reported on here a few months back, a woman driving masked, whilst texting

202694 ▶▶ Kev, replying to Al T, 4, #385 of 1646 🔗

Its the driving bit that is the most dangerous statistically, and wearing a mask increases that risk, and does nothing to decrease the risk they assume their insane action achieves!

Really they should be banned from driving for life.

202788 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Al T, 3, #386 of 1646 🔗

I’m afraid we now point and laugh at them.

202857 ▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to Al T, 2, #387 of 1646 🔗

I’ve started laughing at them and making wanker signs.

202640 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Now More Than Ever, 1, #389 of 1646 🔗

I’ll be buying something non-essential at 6pm this evening.

202644 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 3, #390 of 1646 🔗

However, if I need it, it’s essential.

202672 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Now More Than Ever, 5, #391 of 1646 🔗

I think soon they will ban all food and drink, and we will be delivered our weekly ration of Gruel by Amazon and be allowed to drink our measured amount of water from the tap.

202807 ▶▶ JoeBlogg, replying to Now More Than Ever, 1, #392 of 1646 🔗

If ‘starving’ food is essential…does the same apply if ‘hungry’ ?

202575 Kev, replying to Kev, 15, #393 of 1646 🔗

Had a minor victory yesterday, met a work colleague for lunch in a pub, in the middle of nowhere in Bershire, near Newbury.

As we’re going in he starts putting on a fabric mask, he looks at me but says nothing!

I tell him I’m exempt, he says “how come?” I just said asthma.

He says “so am I then” and takes it off, and keeps it off.

No-one in the pub challenged either of us, and I spent two hours having a normal lunch and quoting lots of facts and figures. Another convert.

Others who arrived subsequently all wore masks to their tables, but they must have heard some of our conversation.

Generally given up on pub’s, as long as the requirement for the mask of shame to the table exists, its just destroyed any pleasure.

202606 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Kev, 5, #394 of 1646 🔗

Going to the pub for a chat with friends is one of the joys of my life, and it’s been made into such a misery I’ve had to stop.

202653 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Liam, 3, #395 of 1646 🔗

Even if the masks weren’t there, no pleasure at being told where to sit, not allowed to sit at bar, not allowed to buy from bar , drinks brought on tray .

202671 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to arfurmo, 2, #396 of 1646 🔗

Agree, I struggle to see how landlords have accepted it.

202688 ▶▶▶▶ Kev, replying to arfurmo, 3, #397 of 1646 🔗

Yeah the whole experience is ruined.

Guys I play football with meet up every Friday night after “work”, but its Covid secure, pre-booked tables, rule-of-6, follow the arrows, masks to table, in tier-1, no thanks, not until the insanity ends!

I have sympathy for the pubs and their employee’s, its not their fault and if they try to resist they’ll be put out of business, what a fucking world this is becoming!

Its hard to image three deep at the bar will ever be a thing again the way things are going. But we have to hope for that in the future, at least we are lucky and remember how it was, for some youngsrers what they is just normal.

202726 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Kev, 6, #398 of 1646 🔗

I don’t go anywhere any more where mask wearing is mandated. I have an exemption lanyard but it’s not so much my having to wear one that bothers me, it’s the destruction of normal social interaction because others are wearing them. The trouble with this is, that if only masked people go out, mask-wearing then becomes the absolute norm. I have written to a few places I used to go to, such as my sports club, explaining this decision, but I doubt they care – they are just trying to survive like everyone else.

203284 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Cranmer, #399 of 1646 🔗

This is a really good point – Today I went to to B&Q, the post office, a junk shop and TKMax without a mask and literally didn’t see a single bare face. I now dread shopping and cannot go into cafe, pubs or restaurants because I can’t stand the masked people. I only go into shops if I have to. I don’t carry any exemption thing I just say loudly ‘I am exempt, and walk in, as yet no staff have prevented me but customers avoid me ‘like the plague’ – pun intended

202577 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 5, #400 of 1646 🔗

The only time I gamble is on the Grand National, a bit of a family tradition. In 2008 I backed “Comply or Die” as at the time I jokingly said this is an EU diktat. Comply or Die went on to win. In 2020 Comply or Die is now a global law.

202673 ▶▶ annie, replying to Smelly Melly, 3, #401 of 1646 🔗

I don’t comply.
I’m alive.

202578 Mayo, replying to Mayo, -10, #402 of 1646 🔗

In to-day’s blog, Toby describes a small outbreak on a university campus which helps explain why I think (a) prior T-Cell immunity in the population is low and (b) why the asymptomatic proportion is exaggerated.

(a) Prior immunity

In my daughter’s house of four occupants, three of them developed flu-like symptoms over the course of last week and by Saturday all three of them had been for tests. (The fourth thinks she had “the virus” earlier this year.) All three tests came back positive so all four of them have had to self-isolate for 10 days.

So 4 out of 4 students, presumably from different families and different parts of the country, had the virus (admittedly one may have self-diagnosed). If 30% of the population had prior immunity then the probability that all 4 contracted the virus is 24% (0.7^4). Not conclusive perhaps – but it is suggestive.

(b) Asymptomatic cases

One felt ill enough to spend last weekend in bed but is now much better. The other two, including my daughter, felt a bit headachy and grotty for a few days but are now fine, except that all three of them lost their sense of taste and smell – oddly, this only happened after they had the test.

Again all 4 young, healthy people had symptoms (including the earlier case – else why would she think she’d had it).

This flies in the face of the narrative that thousands of positive test cases are happily swanning around while feeling no effects whatsoever.

This case obviously proves nothing on its own but there are many similar accounts and, in the absence of clear data, I’m inclined to think they are the rule rather than the exception.

Whatever the truth, I’m confident that the UK is still nowhere near herd immunity. Locations which had very little exposure to the virus in Spring are now experiencing significant outbreaks. This is happening all over the world. I suspect it will also happen in Sweden.
In to-day’s blog, Toby describes a small outbreak on a university campus which helps explain why I think (a) prior T-Cell immunity in the population is low and (b) why the asymptomatic proportion is exaggerated.

202589 ▶▶ Mark H, replying to Mayo, 2, #403 of 1646 🔗

This case obviously proves nothing on its own

Ok, then.

202601 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Mark H, -2, #404 of 1646 🔗

But the counter argument has nothing. You cannot base a policy – or even an opinion – on something for which there is no observable evidence.

“When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, Sir?” attributed to JM Keynes.

203055 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Mayo, 1, #405 of 1646 🔗

You cannot base a policy – or even an opinion – on something for which there is no observable evidence.

I think you can. The government does.

And opinions require no evidence whatsoever.

202615 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Will, -3, #407 of 1646 🔗

It’s a paywalled newspaper article. Michael Levitt has had problems understanding the mathematics behind epidemic curves.

We know about the Gompertz-like curve which models cumulative cases. Infections will follow the curve – even if the whole population is infected

This is Epidemiology 101

We also understand the exponential nature of infections. It is obviously not a true constant exponential which increases by the same rate indefinitely. The exponential is a function of the proportion of the population who are still susceptible. Clearly this will reduce over time as the susceptible population reduces.

Modelling epidemics in countries while ignoring the interventions and other factors relevant to each country is pointless.

202664 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Mayo, 5, #408 of 1646 🔗

If you wanted to read what Levitt and his fellow scientists had to say you would find a way, that you won’t is akin to putting your fingers in your ears and saying I am not listening. Anyway, Sweden, which it has been clearly demonstrated did not observe anything remotely close to a lockdown, will continue to prove you wrong in spite of lifting all restrictions on the elderly and allowing gatherings up to 300 people.

202603 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Mayo, #409 of 1646 🔗

3 people received positive PCR tests. Which could have been caused by dead viral fragments in their body.

202618 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #410 of 1646 🔗

What are you on about? They all had symptoms.

203050 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Mayo, #411 of 1646 🔗

But the symptoms can cover just about any disease or illness in a medical dictionary.

202645 ▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to Mayo, 6, #412 of 1646 🔗

The plural of anecdote is not data.

202667 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Mayo, 2, #413 of 1646 🔗

Flu like symptoms suggest flu, rather than Covid-19 which tends to be asymptomatic.
I bet all three tests were done at the same lab.

The pavement and the dog and the unadulterated swab were all asymptomatic.

202669 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Mayo, 4, #414 of 1646 🔗

Afternoon mayo, how are you this fine afternoon?

203053 ▶▶ John P, replying to Mayo, 3, #415 of 1646 🔗

“Whatever the truth, I’m confident that the UK is still nowhere near herd immunity.”

The truth is that the UK has herd immunity. I think that’s what Dr Mike Yeadon has been saying.

Remind me again of your qualifications in this subject, Mayo. I’m always forgetting.

202579 Squire Western, replying to Squire Western, 12, #416 of 1646 🔗

I’m unclear why it takes ‘courage’ to publish scientific research. Surely medical publications are engaged in a disinterested search for scientific truth, not creating propaganda for politicians?

202586 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Squire Western, 2, #417 of 1646 🔗

A lot of scientists are modest people who love their field of expertise and like the rest of us, just want a quiet life.

Once you publish things that fly in the face of government propaganda, you are opening yourself up to some very nasty things.

“Don’t be the nail that stands taller than the other nails, because you’ll be the first to be hit on the head with a hammer” as the Chinese would say.

202668 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #418 of 1646 🔗

Question. How did the one towering over the rest with a hammer get to wield the hammer?

202749 ▶▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to annie, 2, #419 of 1646 🔗

The other nails said it was for their own good

202602 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Squire Western, 4, #420 of 1646 🔗

scientists are dependent on funding . therefore many scientists will be reluctant to bite the hands that feed them. upsetting the “establishment” might result in that happening .
As has already been shown on here, funding of medical research has the big hand of Gates and similar on it .
Same issue with climate change.. some scientists have been sacked from university posts for going against the current agenda

202616 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Squire Western, 4, #421 of 1646 🔗

Surely medical publications are engaged in a disinterested search for scientific truth, not creating propaganda for politicians?

Heh heh, good one !

202650 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to Squire Western, 2, #422 of 1646 🔗

I think that you underestimate the jets of hot poison that academics that get the “wrong” answers are subjected to. Sir Tim Hunt lost his career due to an unfunny and ill-advised joke. I imagine anyone that isn’t a Nobel laureate got the message pretty clearly.

202716 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Recusant, 3, #423 of 1646 🔗

A scientist doesn’t even have to say anything wrong. Remember Dr Matt Taylor? Hounded by bullies until he broke down in tears on TV – his ‘crime’ was wearing a ‘sexist’ shirt.

202582 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 3, #424 of 1646 🔗

Across Manchester hospitals, the data showed 11 per cent of the region’s beds are occupied with Covid-19 patients. One of the region’s intensive care doctors told The Independent the figures were “absolutely terrifying”
This from the Telegraph- if you are going to write a scare story these are the wrong figures to use!

202591 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to crimsonpirate, 2, #425 of 1646 🔗

The 11% figure is calculated without reference to the huge additional Nightingale capacity I bet.

202599 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to OKUK, 2, #426 of 1646 🔗

I understood it to be 80% capacity (normal for this time of year) and covid supplanting flu/pneumonia cases. If it is only 11% the only aspect that is “absolutely terrifying” is the fact that the NW has gone into tier 3 lockdown on the basis of this.

202638 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to crimsonpirate, 4, #427 of 1646 🔗

I suspect after a summer of not having to do any work, the doctor is indeed terrified of having to do some.

202594 Bella, replying to Bella, 3, #428 of 1646 🔗

In Simon Dolan’s update email today there is a link to a DT article headlined: ‘Absolutely terrifying’ impact of Covid admissions on northern hospitals revealed. Anyone know what that is all about? It seems to be pushing the idea that hospitals are overwhelmed, record number of admissions blah de blah, as many real cases as in April and that a new epidemic or massive second wave is upon us. Are the figures being skewed or have we here at LS become complacent? Doesn’t tally with the Yeadon, Cummins, Heneghan line at all which is my yardstick.

202604 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Bella, 1, #429 of 1646 🔗

I don’t have the figures to hand but I suspect this is a lot of hot air as usual. Hospitals are always running close to capacity at this time of year.

202649 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Bella, 3, #430 of 1646 🔗

Classic spin without context. How many people in hospital already who tested positive? How many beds in designated ICU wards occupied, and what is this as a percentage of total wards and total beds? How many in ICU are intubated? How many of the former in March/April 2020, and how many in October 2019? There is no second wave in NW and NE as they were prevented from having a first wave when the London elite decided in March we all needed to lockdown to ‘save our NHS’.

202737 ▶▶▶ Bella, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #431 of 1646 🔗

It was the ‘absolutely terrifying’ bulshit that got me riled and seeking others’ opinions.

202685 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to Bella, 4, #432 of 1646 🔗

It’s partly skewed or cherry picked figures. But what’s most illuminating is the figures themselves aren’t that scary. Relatively small percentages of beds etc. It’s the words that are used to describe the figures that make them seem scary. It really is gutter journalism. It has made me really angry, actually.

And, of course, absolutely no effort made to place this in context to what the situation was last year for the flu etc by way of comparison.

202702 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to Bella, 2, #433 of 1646 🔗

Its one of the daily doses of fear mongering stories produced by the Telegraph’s ‘Global Health Security’ desk. Which was formed over 2 years ago and is run by a guy who amongst other things developed the NHS website. Most of the rest of the staff have absolutely no health/medical background or training.
But its interesting the Telegraph wanted this team in place to fill their pages over 2 years ago……

202782 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Bella, 2, #434 of 1646 🔗

I posted about this earlier. Apparently the “absolutely terrifying bit is 11% of beds are taken up with Covid patients. 11%??!!!

202906 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #435 of 1646 🔗

So 89% of hospital in-patients are free of covid.

202965 ▶▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to Edward, 2, #436 of 1646 🔗

most of them catch covid in hospital, no one reports that do they

202596 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, #437 of 1646 🔗

I assume I’m now Covid positive as I’ve had a flu jab (have been having one for 40 years so nothing new). Can anybody confirm that having a flu jab makes you corona positive or not?

202625 ▶▶ Alan P, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #438 of 1646 🔗

Could do. Although you can test positive on any amplification of the cycles in a PCR test.

202643 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Alan P, 4, #439 of 1646 🔗

Yeah, don’t be disappointed if you haven’t tested positive yet. Just ask them to run a couple of more cycles on it.

No negative person left behind.

Covid is inclusive.

202665 ▶▶ annie, replying to Smelly Melly, 4, #440 of 1646 🔗

It does if you’re a pawpaw..

202670 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to annie, 1, #441 of 1646 🔗

Boom, Boom!

202598 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 4, #442 of 1646 🔗

Great spot by Commander Jameson below:

Cases at a care facility were epidemiologically characterized and sequentially investigated for conventional agents of respiratory infection, SARS-CoV and other human CoVs.’

Subsequent testing by reverse transcriptase-polymerase chain reaction confirmed HCoV-OC43 infection. Convalescent serology ruled out SARS.’

‘Ninety-five of 142 residents (67%) and 53 of 160 staff members (33%) experienced symptoms of respiratory infection. Symptomatic residents experienced cough (66%), fever (21%) and pneumonia (12%). Eight residents died, six with pneumonia.’

‘These findings underscore the virulence of human CoV-OC43 in elderly populations.’


So common cold coronaviruses are lethal to the elderly and infirm….hmmmm………

202600 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 4, #443 of 1646 🔗


‘Interestingly, around the period in which the BCoV interspecies transmission would probably have taken place, a human epidemic ascribed to influenza was spreading around the world. The 1889-1890 pandemic probably originated in Central Asia ( 3 ) and was characterized by malaise, fever, and pronounced central nervous system symptoms ( 53 ). A significant increase in case fatality with increasing age was observed. Absolute evidence that an influenza virus was the causative agent of this epidemic was never obtained…… it is tempting to speculate about an alternative hypothesis, that the 1889-1890 pandemic may have been the result of interspecies transmission of bovine coronaviruses to humans, resulting in the subsequent emergence of HCoV-OC43. The dating of the most recent common ancestor of BCoV and HCoV-OC43 to around 1890 is one argument. Another argument is the fact that central nervous system symptoms were more pronounced during the 1889-1890 epidemic than in other influenza outbreaks. It has been shown that HCoV-OC43 has neurotropism and can be neuroinvasive….’


So we may very well have been living with a common cold coronavirus lethal to the elderly and infirm since 1889.

202637 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 5, #444 of 1646 🔗

More recent research?

‘Respiratory viruses commonly associated to mild disease can cause severe respiratory infection and death in healthy adults.’

‘Endemic coronaviruses OC43, HKU1, NL63, and 229E can infect the upper respiratory tract of humans, causing mild or moderate disease. Severe symptoms like pneumonia are more commonly reported in children and patients with comorbidities…’

‘Of note, all patients infected with HCoV had some comorbidity, including a 46 year old diabetic patient who deceased. 20 Another study conducted in Southern Brazil with 755 patients hospitalized with SARI found 34 (4.5%) cases of HCoV infection, 24 of which had some comorbidity; of the three observed fatalities associated with HCoV infection, two were immunocompromised patients, and the other was coinfected with two HCoVs.’

‘….the study brings new data because it is the first report showing that infection with endemic coronavirus may be associated with severe respiratory disease with death outcomes in healthy adults. Accordingly, HCoV was found in 3% of all SARI patients who died despite not having chronic diseases.’

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/jmv.26362 July 2020

Sounds familiar?

And the name of this study into common cold coronaviruses that we have lived with for over a century?

‘More than just a common cold: Endemic coronaviruses OC43, HKU1, NL63, and 229E associated with severe acute respiratory infection and fatality cases among healthy adults’

‘What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.’

Ecclesiastes 1:9

Covid 19 is a common cold coronavirus…….and we’d better get used to it because it ain’t going no place…….but neither is it particularly lethal, England’s overall all cause mortality plumb normal since May 2020

202689 ▶▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to Tim Bidie, 2, #445 of 1646 🔗

Yes the proein spike identified as SARS2 is common to the other ‘common cold’ coronavirus. Its a very bad cold.

202608 mjr, replying to mjr, 4, #446 of 1646 🔗

Cycling. Been watching Giro which finishes this weekend. Today was to be a long flat stage.

The riders have decided that it must be shortened and so did much of it on the team bus before starting mid way.

Concerns were raised over the huge 258km stage from Morbegno taking part in heavy rain, risking riders’ health.
The CPA said: “The riders’ health is the priority, especially in this Covid period.” They added: “Reducing today’s stage will not diminish the show, but will allow the immune defences of the riders not to be put at greater risk
.” Competing in heavy rain can cause riders, whose immune systems may already be compromised by excessive exertion, to become unwell as dirt and bacteria from the road is sprayed through the peloton.
Many riders are concerned it will increase the risk of contracting coronavirus.”


202613 ▶▶ mjr, replying to mjr, 2, #447 of 1646 🔗

thinking about it they have a point.. if you saw the video from a week or two back that was linked again yesterday of the young lad that did three tests (his dog, his keyboard and the pavement outside his house), the dog and the pavement both came back as positive, so pavements can be contagious !!!

202627 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to mjr, 1, #448 of 1646 🔗

Bring back blood doping!

202634 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to mjr, 3, #449 of 1646 🔗

Very sensible, I would definitely do as much as I could of a 258km bike ride in a bus

202661 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to mjr, 1, #450 of 1646 🔗

If they hadn’t mentioned coronavirus then I might have thought they’d have a point: the season has been hugely condensed because of the shutdowns and so some of these riders have had a really unusually high workload since it started up again.

202710 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to mattghg, 4, #451 of 1646 🔗

I’m on the governing body of a sport at county level (can’t say which one) and that same argument has been used to justify the cancellation of all amateur competitive meetings (despite these being allowed by law) until at least March 2021. With that kind of logic, we will never get back to ‘normal’ – already we are seeing a drop in participation as people take up different sports.

202738 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to mattghg, 2, #452 of 1646 🔗

it is not that bad.. although there has been a shorter gap between the tour and the giro.. The vuelta has started and overlaps with the giro and so no rider is doing all 3. The focus has been getting these staged so a lot of races have not taken place so i dont think the density of racing has been increased by much

202705 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to mjr, 1, #453 of 1646 🔗

Downhill sections at high speed, in the wet are obviously completely risk free

202722 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to mjr, 3, #454 of 1646 🔗

Anyone who genuinely makes the health and safety of the riders the priority would ban racing. Racing is inherently dangerous. People die!

202836 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #455 of 1646 🔗

We should all just play cycling games on our tablets instead, while chatting to each other on Zoom. Stay safe!

202610 PhilipF, replying to PhilipF, 12, #456 of 1646 🔗

Saw my first Covid womble (marshal) today. Green uniform, peaked hat, high vis jacket, face nappy. Looked like a jumped-up park keeper (remember those?) or traffic warden. Found it enraging to see my tax dollars being spent on that. On the one hand, you could say it was just an ordinary bloke trying to make a living; on the other, he is society destroying collaborator.

202611 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to PhilipF, 1, #457 of 1646 🔗

Whereabouts please, PF ?

202621 ▶▶▶ PhilipF, replying to JohnB, 3, #458 of 1646 🔗

Richmond High Street.

202630 ▶▶▶▶ Recusant, replying to PhilipF, 14, #459 of 1646 🔗

Lib Dem country. Probably self-appointed and powered by quinoa.

202739 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to PhilipF, 1, #460 of 1646 🔗

Ta. Just want to be fully prepared when they start to appear out in the shires. 🙂

202633 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to PhilipF, 5, #461 of 1646 🔗

Defy the rules in front of him. Make him work for his 30 silver pieces.

202639 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to PhilipF, #462 of 1646 🔗

Was he wearing a body cam?

202704 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to PhilipF, 6, #463 of 1646 🔗

Yes, isn’t it destabilising, rhetorically and socially? Yesterday I was challenged for not wearing a mask by some university-badge-wearing youth on campus. Before I could decide exactly what to say (I was at work, I don’t want to be filled with rage when just about to teach a seminar), he noticed my exemption lanyard, apologised and disappeared. On the one hand, a gormless young man in early adulthood carrying out a task set by the university authorities. On the other hand, a member of the Child Purity Police.

202752 ▶▶ jakehadlee, replying to PhilipF, #464 of 1646 🔗

Just whisper “traitor” every time you pass one. We’ll break their souls soon enough

202838 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to PhilipF, #465 of 1646 🔗

Surreptitiously stick one of these on their back:
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202617 chaos, replying to chaos, 1, #466 of 1646 🔗

About 45 million people will be in lockdown in the UK within the next day or so…

202623 ▶▶ Julian, replying to chaos, 26, #467 of 1646 🔗

The entire population of the UK has been in lockdown since March. It never stopped, it has just been adjusted into different configurations.

Masks, rule of six, distancing, quarantine, T&T, SIs, closure of NHS all = lockdown

202632 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to chaos, 11, #468 of 1646 🔗

We’ve all been in lockdown since March, it’s not ended.

202622 JohnB, replying to JohnB, #469 of 1646 🔗

ONS now saying they were 433,000 infection between 10th Oct and 16th Oct. We’ll have reached herd immunity in a years time at this rate!

202629 ▶▶ calchas, replying to JohnB, #470 of 1646 🔗

The more the merrier.

Infected with what – one wonders?

202662 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to calchas, 7, #471 of 1646 🔗

Millions infected with Covid hysteria.No known cure. Leads inexorably to living death.

202647 ▶▶ Will, replying to JohnB, 4, #472 of 1646 🔗

This figure is based on modelling because the ONS can no longer find enough people to consent to their test.

202773 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Will, 1, #473 of 1646 🔗

Well, according to the covid dashboard ONS tests (Pillar 4) have jumped from 1000 to 14.000 in 3 days.
They have either signed up a lot of people in a very short time or have found some records in a drawer.

202656 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to JohnB, #474 of 1646 🔗

Two months more like
if my maths is right.

202659 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to OKUK, 1, #475 of 1646 🔗

There’s a race on now though, which will be first, herd immunity or a vaccine!

202707 ▶▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to JohnB, 3, #476 of 1646 🔗

There is no vaccine.

202666 ▶▶ Commander Jameson, replying to JohnB, 8, #477 of 1646 🔗

And this gives us the next phase of the manufactured crisis, already being planned, somewhere in a hollowed-out volcano under Whitehall:

Minister: Oh no, deaths have fallen to single digits? What can we scare the population with now?”
Researcher: No matter, we can scare them with hospitalisations!
M: Oh no, hospitalisations are falling really quickly now!
R: Great, on to cases then
M: Cases are falling to single digits! Oh no, what will we scare the sheep with?
R: Easy, just ratchet up the number of tests, don’t worry too much about quality control, and double count tests done within a week
M: But now 103% of the population has been infected
R: Not a problem Minister, we can just use the false positives from the millions of weekly PCR tests to claim we are seeing lots of reinfection
M: Are you saying that Covid can go on for ever?”
R: Yes, Minister!
M: Hurrah, we are saved!

202682 ▶▶ leggy, replying to JohnB, #478 of 1646 🔗

Great – how many deaths? What does that make the IFR?

202972 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to JohnB, 1, #479 of 1646 🔗

Too much use of the words ‘modelling’ ‘model’ and ‘estimate’ in there for my liking. ONS are admired for producing facts.

Estimates from models are not facts.

Mike Yeadon in his brilliant interview with James Delingpole finished with: “Why is the pandemic not over? Because SAGE say so!”

Why do SAGE say so? Because their models say so.

202977 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to JohnB, #480 of 1646 🔗

Whitty underestimated a bit with his 50,000 then…

202628 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 4, #481 of 1646 🔗



How long until this happens here?

Given that it took 7 armed officers to serve a fine on a gym, when can the rest of the public expect the same sort of thing that happens in “3rd world” countries?

(The Guardian hasn’t allowed comments on this article, but if they did, I expect they’d be full of “this didn’t go far enough” comments)

202686 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to captainbeefheart, 3, #482 of 1646 🔗

Amazing how Guardian readers love totalitarian policing now, how times have changed. Guardian readers seem to think poor people living on $1 a day should stay at home in their shacks hungry and destitute.

Why don’t Guardian readers seem to care about vaccines and other medicines being tested in third world countries to save big pharma money. If they are so virtuous perhaps they should step forwards and volunteer for the ‘greater good’.

202692 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Darryl, 4, #483 of 1646 🔗

We should be thankful at least. This madness has bought all the little nazis out into the open.

202744 ▶▶▶ jakehadlee, replying to Darryl, 11, #484 of 1646 🔗

Call me a snob, but I think Guardian readers tend to be those who aren’t the brightest, but who think their degree in social sciences from a former community college rebranded as a university means they are well-educated. The worst sort of fuckwits – ones who don’t know they are because they don’t have the capacity to grasp what is required to actually be well-educated.

They compensate for this by looking down on people they think aren’t as intelligent as them because they dispute the things they are being told in their own echo-chamber. It’s like Plato’s cave – they are stupid people, intellectually isolating with other stupid people who are all telling each other they are the clever people and no-one daring to look outside.

202755 ▶▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to jakehadlee, 2, #485 of 1646 🔗

“The worst sort of fuckwits – ones who don’t know they are because they don’t have the capacity to grasp what is required to actually be well-educated.”

The Dunning-Kruger effect:


In case people haven’t come across this before.

202767 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 1, #486 of 1646 🔗

Too stupid to know they’re stupid

202780 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to CGL, 1, #487 of 1646 🔗


203108 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Darryl, #488 of 1646 🔗

Again, SS ?

203103 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to captainbeefheart, -1, #489 of 1646 🔗

I suspect the SS (77th brigade) are leading the cheers.

202631 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 9, #490 of 1646 🔗

How it used to be doing risks assessments.

Now “men” hide behind the sofa cowering in a mask and rubbing sanitiser on themselves or confronting woman in the street on not wearing a muzzle.

Mrs Awkward says more of those nancy boys on TV need to read this website and grow a pair.


202652 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #491 of 1646 🔗

Interesting, John waters was discussing this on yesterday’s Richie Allen show, worth a listen.

202657 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #492 of 1646 🔗

It’s odd isn’t it how risk sensitive the NHS seems to be now, yet 20 years ago when I used to be on call during the night at a hospital part of my duties involved confirming if bomb threats they received were real or hoaxes, yet I never had any risk assessment done or trained on how to properly investigate them.

202660 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to JohnB, 5, #493 of 1646 🔗


We must turn the risk-aversion culture around and back at them.

For example, have risk assessments being done for mask-wearing or social isolation.

202832 ▶▶▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to calchas, 2, #494 of 1646 🔗

No! Risk assessments have not been done on mask wearing by the general public. I asked my MP for proof, and UK Column asked the government directly, and NOTHING has been forthcoming, apart from (in my case) a lame response that they “might/could” work, we have to be seen doing “something” and it is for “the greater good” nonsense. So, therefore, they are NOT enforceable under The ECHR Act 1998, Article 2, Right to Life, where something cannot forced on a person if may cause harm!

203316 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to JohnB, #495 of 1646 🔗

That was before they invented Health & Safety Officers.

202697 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #496 of 1646 🔗

Many years ago, when on night duty at Heathrow Terminal 1, I found myself confined to an interview room with a large, disturbed ,floridly deluded American woman whom I had to humour while preparations were made for her removal.

The details escape me now but I clearly recall her ramblings and restlessness.

Being an Immigration Officer in those far off days meant one would find oneself in any number of potentially challenging not to say threatening situations, but no one had ever heard of, least of all considered,doing risk assessments.

We just got on with it and called on police and medical officers if needed.

202713 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to wendyk, 1, #497 of 1646 🔗

I used to work in Beckett house and remember seeing IO’s running along st Thomas street after people who had their right to remain refused. Happy days

202862 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to stefarm, 1, #498 of 1646 🔗

I can remember doing a visit to HMP Pentonville with a colleague to do an interview: no Elf and Safety checks.

202719 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to wendyk, 3, #499 of 1646 🔗

I may be a bit of a dinosaur and looking back through a rose-tinted brain but I remember the good old days of drilling for oil starting in UAE in the 80s.

Lot more fun and we actually enjoyed doing it. Now it’s just a grind of meetings, reports, paperwork and delays costing 10 times a much, taking 4 times as long and lots more niggly little incidents being blown out of proportion when a little plaster and a smack round the head with the comment “you won’t be that stupid again will you?” to send them on their way.

Now the HS+E culture has sucked all the fun out of every aspect of work life.

202821 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Awkward Git, #500 of 1646 🔗

It’s not just H&S. It’s what I call ‘consensus culture’ as well. I worked as a magazine editor for over 20 years, but left corporate life because of the ridiculous attempts by management to reach a consensus on everything – all articles more or less eventually had to be written by committees. I think this is partly a result of feminisation, but also because technology (Word Track Changes etc) makes this type of working possible.

204191 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sylvie, replying to Cranmer, #501 of 1646 🔗

Enough with the kneejerk misogyny. No wonder people wanted to question your editing regime!

202867 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #502 of 1646 🔗

We’ve lost so much spontaneity and independence now. Personal responsibility has vanished .

202646 assoc, replying to assoc, 2, #503 of 1646 🔗

Have I got this wrong? Manchester went into tier 3 because there were 449 ‘cases’ per 100,000. But we are told that PCR test has a 0.8-2.3% false positive rate, which would have produced a figure of 800 – 2300 per 100,000.

202654 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to assoc, #504 of 1646 🔗

Yeah, that’s wrong. We’ve had these discussions loads of times on here. There is actually a section dedicated to it on here https://lockdownsceptics.org/false-positives/

202712 ▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to JohnB, #505 of 1646 🔗

It is wrong. The 449 per 100,000 is number of “cases” per head of population. The test false positive rate is 2% (or whatever) per test. So not comparing like with like. ONS is currently estimating 770 infected per 100,000 for England as a whole.

202779 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to assoc, #506 of 1646 🔗

The False Positive Rate refers to the number of tests.

202676 Chris John, replying to Chris John, 1, #507 of 1646 🔗

Has anyone else seen the tv adverts for ‘decade of healthy aging’? 2020-2030

202691 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Chris John, 1, #508 of 1646 🔗

Sends shivers down my spine, very unsettling.

Aimed at the UK I think a stewy only have a .co.uk web address, not a .com

202732 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #509 of 1646 🔗

Sends shivers down my spine, very unsettling.

God’s way of punishing people who watch tv. 🙂

202679 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 4, #510 of 1646 🔗

Made another banner…

202693 ▶▶ chaos, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #511 of 1646 🔗

You need to stick at least one Rockerfeller in there.. three of those guys are minor players.

202711 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #512 of 1646 🔗

Gates is maybe middle rank.

The rest are just gophers doing a they are told.

202681 Alethea, replying to Alethea, #513 of 1646 🔗


202762 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Alethea, #514 of 1646 🔗

What is – pray tell?

202683 Mark, replying to Mark, 10, #515 of 1646 🔗

Christopher Hope


Yesterday MPs passed a law by 333 to 1 to let police use ‘reasonable’ force to detain and lock up people for not isolating.

Sir Charles Walker MP tells me: “I was the 1. I was both the definition of futility and HM Opposition. If it was not so serious and sad it would be funny.”
9:00 PM · Oct 22, 2020 ·Twitter for iPhone

202928 ▶▶ annie, replying to Mark, 1, #516 of 1646 🔗

Define, please.

203043 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Mark, 2, #517 of 1646 🔗

Just sent him this:

“Thank you for being the sole MP to vote NO yesterday.

I salute your integrity.”

202684 Janice21, replying to Janice21, 20, #518 of 1646 🔗

I’m itching to know what the Danish study has shown on masks. Pray it is published and soon. Hopefully it will result in a two finger salute to obsessive mask wearing wankers.

202771 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Janice21, 5, #519 of 1646 🔗

lets hope it gets “accidentally” leaked

202818 ▶▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #520 of 1646 🔗

Just need to put a mask on it then

202777 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Janice21, 3, #521 of 1646 🔗

This really needs to be top priority. If it is anything like we hope then the whole house of cards comes crashing down.

You know what, I would give generously if there was crowdfunding effort to bribe the scientists for an early preview. Perhaps by means of a funding grant. You just know now that the WHO will already be hatching schemes to discredit the results and drafting more bogus studies to say the opposite (before quietly being retracted). Need to get this quick before it is undermined.

202808 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to TheBluePill, 3, #522 of 1646 🔗

Yes. No doubt while the paper is “delayed” there’s a whole raft of counter arguments being developed so that it can be negated/discredited/undermined from the moment it gets published.

202927 ▶▶ annie, replying to Janice21, 2, #523 of 1646 🔗

The more they try to block it, the more people will be convinced that it must demolish the face nappy case.

202690 calchas, replying to calchas, 4, #524 of 1646 🔗

If ‘cases’ in Europe continue increasing at current rates, and if total mortality remains within the usual seasonal range, then the official narrative is in big trouble with even a good number of people who are still on board.

202698 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to calchas, 4, #525 of 1646 🔗

The official narrative seems to be impervious to contrary evidence, as its carriers simply use all the tricks of the propagandist.

202708 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Steve Hayes, 8, #526 of 1646 🔗

One thing that comes to mind – us lot on here beings sceptical of it all seems o be “immune” to the propaganda being pumped out but can see through it.

Does this go for advertising campaigns, social media influencing, peer pressure etc – are we “immune” to that as well?

I think I am and just do whatever I want regardless of fashion or trends.

Maybe it all goes and in hand – anyone else “immune” to influencing and advertising but go their own way?

202717 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #527 of 1646 🔗

Yes – I’ve always been like that.

The psychologists call it ‘suggestibility’ or lack thereof.

202729 ▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to calchas, 3, #528 of 1646 🔗

William Sargant was a British psychologist.

““It is not surprising that the ordinary person, in general, is much more easily indoctrinated than the abnormal…A person is considered ‘ordinary’ or ‘normal’ by the community simply because he accepts most of its social standards and behavioural patterns; which means, in fact, that he is susceptible to suggestion and has been persuaded to go with the majority on most ordinary or extraordinary occasions.””

“However, Sargant saw an opening. It was understood that one could not create a new individual from scratch, however, with the right conditioning that was meant to lead to a physical breakdown using abnormal stress (effectively a reboot of the nervous system), one could increase the “suggestibility” markedly in their subjects.”

Sound like lockdown?


202743 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to calchas, 5, #529 of 1646 🔗

So I’m confirmed as not normal or abnormal?

Sounds about right.

Proud of that.

I’m a goat not a sheep.

202745 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #530 of 1646 🔗


Cussed old goat here 🙂

202921 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to calchas, #531 of 1646 🔗

Sanity, as Orwell reminds us, is not statistical.
Is normality statistical?

202720 ▶▶▶▶ Kev, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #532 of 1646 🔗

Yep, avoid social media like the plague, no pun intended. I’ll read twitter links I’m sent but never log on to them, just use WhatsApp.

Advertising is vomit inducing on the whole, if they’re not woke, virtue signalling or normalising masks and other (un)desirable behaviours they are’nt allowed.

202768 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Kev, 2, #533 of 1646 🔗

Most TV adverts are filth. There’s a particularly ridiculous one for HSBC, with that Richard Adewayo where he is shown putting on a mask that matches his corduroy lounge suit.

203160 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Cranmer, 2, #534 of 1646 🔗

HSBC is indeed a particularly disgusting category of filth – huge drug money laundering criminals…

203356 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cranmer, #535 of 1646 🔗

Never see any adverts but that really sounds vomit-inducing!

202785 ▶▶▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #536 of 1646 🔗

I think I always been immune. A market researcher knocked on my door a number of years ago and it was terrible! I had to answer nearly all of her questions with “no!” She couldn’t believe I didn’t have kids, so I had nothing child-related, didn’t have a car, didn’t have the latest mobile, didn’t go on regular holidays, wasn’t signed up to gym memberships or any entertainment memberships, no subscriptions, no Sky or cable tv (as it was then) no sporting memberships to anything, no storecards, no catalogues, no gaming devices, no interest in designer names or products, no formal social media…it went on, and I could see she was getting pretty frustrated and then she had the nerve to accuse me of wasting HER time!

202803 ▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to HelenaHancart, 3, #537 of 1646 🔗

had a Cunard survey through today.

WAs about 10% of the way through it according to the bar thingy at the bottom of the page and it asked why I said I would not be going on holiday this or next year.

Answer I picked was (sort of worded like this) “the restrictions in place to combat covid-19 would impact on my enjoyment of the holiday”.

The survey was cut off an truncated there and then and gave me the message “survey complete” for some reason.

Wonder why?

203165 ▶▶▶▶▶ watashi, replying to HelenaHancart, 1, #538 of 1646 🔗

sounds like me. (except I do have kids)

202751 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Steve Hayes, #539 of 1646 🔗

If there really is a conspiracy to impose a new world order (I don’t say there is), then the ‘new normal’ could be imposed by confusing/conflating Covid stats with normal seasonal flu stats, so that restrictions can become permanent. However, they can’t then push the miracle cure of a vaccine, unless they intend to have a new pandemic and a new vaccine EVERY year.

202770 ▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Cranmer, 1, #540 of 1646 🔗

I wouldn’t call it a conspiracy but at times like this nation states do give a thought to the post “war” landscape hence the creation of the United Nations after WW2 and stuff like Bretton Woods. This time though there are competing ideas of what the post war landscape should look like. The WEF with their grandiosely titled Great Reset then there probably is a Chinese world view as well.

202775 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Cranmer, 7, #541 of 1646 🔗

Big Pharma would love a vaccine that everyone on the planet had to take every year. The Pharma industry is not interested in cures; their concern is with producing products they can sell over and over to the same individuals, ideally all individuals, for all their lives.

202919 ▶▶▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to Steve Hayes, #542 of 1646 🔗

the same as software companies, subscriptions are the thing, no more buying and getting a free upgrade when you can pay every year.

203169 ▶▶▶▶▶ watashi, replying to Steve Hayes, #543 of 1646 🔗

of course, they want us all to be ill , then they can push more of their drugs at us.

202699 ▶▶ leggy, replying to calchas, 3, #544 of 1646 🔗

Lots more people will start to die from the effects of lockdown soon. That’ll easily make up for a drop in covid deaths.

202714 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to leggy, 4, #545 of 1646 🔗

That’s what I suspect at this point – those who missed cancer diagnoses and operations in particular.

A cetain number of deceased people are always going to have ‘tested positive’ in the 28 days beore death.

The authorities need total mortality to increase to increase the plausibilty of their arguments to those who only look at these things superficially.

202695 leggy, replying to leggy, 4, #546 of 1646 🔗

So, I’m off to Stockholm next week all being well. Just had my advance info mail from British Airways. Am I reading too much into this embedded image?

202700 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to leggy, 2, #547 of 1646 🔗

That’s a yellow fever document, been like that for as long as I’ve and one cough cough mumble years.

Only good thing is that now the yellow fever jab is a lifetime jab as I’ve just had to have my book updated.

202709 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #548 of 1646 🔗

Last jab I had, nearly ten years ago. Nightmare – off work for two days. I don’t know if it was a lifetime one or not, but I don’t fancy it again.

202725 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to TJN, 2, #549 of 1646 🔗

Lifetime now 100%.

Made the mistake on my first yellow fever job of ignoring the nurse’s advice to avoid alcohol for a day or so after it.

Felt fine, went and had a couple of beers on way home, big mistake, took days to get over it.

Every other one after that no problems.

202787 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #550 of 1646 🔗

I actually already ha a virally coldy thing when I had the jab, which presumably didn’t help.

202727 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Awkward Git, #551 of 1646 🔗

Well, I’ve been a frequent business traveller for the best part of two decades and I don’t remember seeing this before. Granted, I wouldn’t have been looking for it!

203302 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to leggy, 1, #552 of 1646 🔗

It’s standard. My wife was cabin crew for several years and had to have one for yellow fever in order to enter a few countries. Countries requiring it aren’t really places the vast majority of people would travel to, but she used to go to Angola and Ghana fairly often.

202724 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to leggy, 3, #553 of 1646 🔗

As AG says, it’s been around for years for certain jabs. Unusual to see it in standard travel info though.

202764 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to leggy, 2, #554 of 1646 🔗

Make sure to go to the Vasa Museum.
I also enjoyed an excursion to Drottningholm.
I lived in Stockholm 18 years ago for 3 months, but in summer, hope you have nice weather. My group enjoyed just getting on a train or bus and sightsee the city.
It is definitely worth going to the smaller towns at the end of a train line.

203249 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to leggy, #555 of 1646 🔗

We used to need evidence of smallpox vaccination in the 1960s, but then we didn’t have totalitarian government.

202776 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #558 of 1646 🔗


Lockdown and isolation as an initiation ritual

202784 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to chaos, 3, #559 of 1646 🔗

But of course there was no prior planning for this “rebuild” before the virus began its spread across the globe. They just thought this all up this year. Simply reacting to a developing situation yes indeed!

203253 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to chaos, 1, #560 of 1646 🔗

Going to plan, eh?

203371 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to chaos, 1, #561 of 1646 🔗

What a load of egregious bollox!
Worrying stuff.

202721 Recusant, 4, #562 of 1646 🔗

What a great way for middle class children to get a head start in life. I just bought my kids two books each for half term, nice that the oiks are falling behind.

202723 chaos, replying to chaos, 8, #563 of 1646 🔗

That main picture.. I look at her eyes.. then at her boobs. Then at her hair. Priorities.


202735 ▶▶ ChrisW, replying to chaos, 1, #564 of 1646 🔗

It’s hypnotic

202740 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to chaos, 4, #565 of 1646 🔗

Post of the day no doubt. If this was a woke site you’d be banned for life though.

202747 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to chaos, 3, #566 of 1646 🔗

Just boobs for me. I try to steer well away from the mask region these days.

202760 ▶▶ CGL, replying to chaos, 2, #567 of 1646 🔗

Well you can’t check her teeth

202778 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to chaos, 3, #568 of 1646 🔗

She has eyes and hair…? Can’t say I noticed.

202917 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 1, #569 of 1646 🔗

Has fangs. Hides them under mask until she’s ready to sink them into your jugular.

202794 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to chaos, 2, #570 of 1646 🔗

I went eyes, boob, playing with mobile phone – lost interest.

202824 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to chaos, 4, #571 of 1646 🔗

What’s interesting (at least to me!) is that I cannot tell what her expression is at all. How can people defend masks as a small inconvenience when it so clearly dehumanizes in such a fundamental way?

202918 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Achilles, 2, #572 of 1646 🔗

Because they are subhuman.

202942 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to chaos, 1, #573 of 1646 🔗

The power of 3

202728 Eddy, replying to Eddy, 2, #574 of 1646 🔗

The cranky is going level 5 ( full suffocation mode)

202731 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Eddy, 8, #575 of 1646 🔗


202750 ▶▶ PaulH, replying to Eddy, 4, #576 of 1646 🔗

That would be rubber face coverings, glued on with superlue.

Maybe she could trial that one herself before it’s rolled out nationally.

202810 ▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to PaulH, #577 of 1646 🔗

Glue won’t stick to her Tom Sellecktash!

202786 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Eddy, 4, #578 of 1646 🔗

Been in touch with the group putting together the case for the pub trade up there with some FOI answers and other interesting factoids (stolen from Steve Wright in the afternoon – remember him?) and other snippets.

Pointed them in the direction of sceptic websites so if they do read this welcome to sceptic land and feel free to join the fray.

Also put my FOI into Scotland about justifications and evidence just to be an arse.

202805 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #579 of 1646 🔗

Thanks for that. The Scottish pubs case could be a big one. Do you know if there is a subscription for legal fees, etc? I’d like to chip in if they need help.

202912 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Cranmer, #580 of 1646 🔗

Me too.

203033 ▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to annie, #581 of 1646 🔗

Will pass this on to the “leader”.

202970 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Eddy, 2, #582 of 1646 🔗

Much as I loathe the Johnson and Wancock, I have to say that Sturgeon takes it to a whole ‘nother level.

202730 Rosie, replying to Rosie, 2, #583 of 1646 🔗

Strongly recommend the video here:
German lawyers/medics telling it as it is. They were the first group of professionals to speak out, recognising what is going on now from their own nation’s awful history and determined to stop it this time if they can. They’ve been holding formal hearings now for several months, and are now starting to report their findings.
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/10/17/coronavirus-fraud-biggest-crime-against-humanity.aspx (video and article)
https://worlddoctorsalliance.com/blog/crimes-against-humanity-the-german-corona-investigation/&nbsp ;

202772 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Rosie, #584 of 1646 🔗

Links say page not found

202800 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to CGL, #585 of 1646 🔗

Someone else said that but I can see them …. I’ve literally just finished listening (again) to the video
Can you see this site? It’s another German one with links to the other group

202987 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Rosie, #586 of 1646 🔗

Might be my phone – will try again on another device later. Thanks.

202741 court, replying to court, 11, #587 of 1646 🔗

My 2yo has had a temperature for 2 days now, so reluctantly let my wife call the GP. After a phone call where she had to justify to the doc why it wasn’t the C word they got asked down in person for an appointment. GPs diagnosis was it was just a bug he picked up. I was surprised they weren’t frogmarched to the nearest test centre and the whole family locked down for half-term.

202967 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to court, 2, #588 of 1646 🔗

Just a bug? Everything apart from Coronavirus is just a bug these days, even though it is in fact “just a bug” too.

202746 PaulH, 6, #589 of 1646 🔗

No doubt they were poised to say “get your jab to protect Granny” – but what emotional blackmail will they resort to now, if these vaccines won’t even stop people spreading the virus?

And what is the point of “Health Passports” if vaccinated people can still spread infection across borders?

Rather awkward, especially since these rushed through, liability-free jabs will bring significant risks of their own to people at essentially zero risk from CV-19 itself…

But, hey, what’s the betting that they will just ignore all of this and carry on regardless? That seems to be the way nowadays when awkward facts turn up – especially when lucrative contracts are involved.

202748 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 6, #590 of 1646 🔗

I think it’s time I trotted out this story again. It’s about a Japanese WW2 soldier who didn’t know the war was over and held his post for 29 years afterwards.

If every time there is a rise in infections we lockdown or increase restrictions and the only way out is a vaccine, how would we ever know if the war is actually over? What if no vaccine comes along to relieve us of our duties?

Hiroo Onoda

Hirō “Hiroo” Onoda (小野田 寛郎, Onoda Hirō , 19 March 1922 – 16 January 2014) was an Imperial Japanese Armyintelligence officer who fought in World War II and was a Japanese holdout who did not surrender at the war’s end in August 1945. After the war ended Onoda spent 29 years hiding out in the Philippines until his former commander travelled from Japan to formally relieve him from duty by order of Emperor Shōwa in 1974.

202753 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Nobody2020, 2, #591 of 1646 🔗

An ‘effective vaccine’ would be ‘winning the war’.

Is that wanted?

202910 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to calchas, 3, #592 of 1646 🔗

An effective vaccine! you must be joking, a dodgy vaccine that kills off all the remaining old people in the care homes is more likely.

202757 ▶▶ PaulH, replying to Nobody2020, 3, #593 of 1646 🔗

Not a very intelligent intelligence officer, then.

Maybe he should have gone into politics instead.

Being a granite-brained idiot, impervious to all logic, is seemingly no handicap in that field.

202826 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to PaulH, 2, #594 of 1646 🔗

The man is due respect for doing his job. He had no way of knowing that the war was over that was not likely to be Allied propaganda. So he stuck at it.

Credit where it’s due.

202754 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 2, #595 of 1646 🔗

If anyone is in need of depressing (surely not) , read the comments on this https://www.theguardian.com/money/2020/oct/22/is-wizz-air-flying-in-the-face-of-the-equality-act-over-face-masks -that’s what we are up against.

202759 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to arfurmo, 2, #596 of 1646 🔗

If you can not wear a face mask please do not travel. You could kill someone. What journey is important enough to risk that.”


202761 ▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #597 of 1646 🔗

What if you’re someone who’s had their ear blown off in a war?

202766 ▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 4, #598 of 1646 🔗

I hope the person who wrote this hasn’t got a driving license – or crosses the road

202822 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #599 of 1646 🔗

‘Please take your airline into banktruptcy. Flying can kill people.’

202763 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to arfurmo, 7, #600 of 1646 🔗

The replies all sound what you would expect from Guardian readers. The world is a mad place, I’m glad I had a chance to fly and see the world when things were normal instead of today’s abnormal.

202769 ▶▶ Paul, replying to arfurmo, 7, #601 of 1646 🔗

God almighty,I knew I shouldn’t have read the comments,I only got through half them when I had to stop before my fist went through my screen.The people with all the smug comments about ‘safety’ are probably the same type of people who don’t think twice about speeding around our 30 mph estate roads at 50 mph or more when taking their blessed children to the school.

202793 ▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to Paul, 2, #602 of 1646 🔗

Yes exactly, and half of them looking down at their phones constantly while “driving”

202812 ▶▶▶ Recusant, replying to Paul, #603 of 1646 🔗

I doubt that their hemp-powered cars can do 50mph.

203279 ▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to arfurmo, 2, #604 of 1646 🔗

My union, PCS, has announced that it will be ‘demanding’ that management enforces mask wearing in government offices. I told them that they were not doing it in my name and asked whether a risk assessment or an Equality Impact Assessment would be carried out before such an edict was made. They said that the department would do that but they wanted to educate people into wanting to ‘change their behaviour’. I find that deeply sinister. The Protected Characteristics that will be most impacted by this; age, disability and sex (the menopause) are not ones that PCS admits to. Only Transgenderism and BLM have any relevance to them.
We are a department that prides itself on ‘evidence based policy making’ and which employs veterinary professionals and scientists. Where is the evidence on this?
I would love to think that management will tell PCS to stuff its childish ‘demands’, but I have a horrible feeling that they won’t. I shan’t be going back to the office anytime soon!

202758 Mike, replying to Mike, 2, #605 of 1646 🔗


Quick…lets come up with a reason why we don’t have to lock down these rich areas like we did those ignorant northern numpties….I know..Lets use the inflated numbers of the Uni students to double count the number of cases…Genius!

202790 ▶▶ Will, replying to Mike, #606 of 1646 🔗

So all the students do get double counted….

202765 2 pence, replying to 2 pence, 3, #607 of 1646 🔗

How is this even remotely possible ?
My estimate:
5.4 million people had a test in the last 20 days or 8% of the UK population.
On average 3 full Wembley stadiums per day were tested or 270.000 people.
Where were all these people tested ?
Is it just me?

202774 ▶▶ Julian, replying to 2 pence, 1, #608 of 1646 🔗

A lot of them are probably the same people – NHS workers among others?

202792 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Julian, 2, #609 of 1646 🔗

The only folks I have come across who say they have had a test are kids or adults told to because there has been a case in their school. Still haven’t met anyone who has had a positive result though.

202903 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Charlie Blue, #610 of 1646 🔗

If all works as planned (rarely happens) care workers are tested on a weekly basis. Given all the +ve test results with Rugby & Football teams I assume sports people are getting routine tests?

202783 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to 2 pence, 1, #611 of 1646 🔗

Testing in my town has been increased 700% over the last 4 weeks. Its led to a 1000% increase in cases and the hospital is decimated with staff isolating and Covid ‘patients’

They’ve had to put up a tent as an overflow queue for A and E

202799 ▶▶▶ 2 pence, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #612 of 1646 🔗

BUT , 270,000 per day average!
I just dont`t know.
I saw this on utube.

202789 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to 2 pence, 4, #613 of 1646 🔗

Asked myself the same a step 2 testing centres around here I drive past regularly re empty normally.

So why Stoke has all these “cases” I have no idea.

FOI gone in to council asking for explanations.

202815 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to 2 pence, 1, #614 of 1646 🔗

Perhaps they tested 270,000 people’s poos?

202781 tonyspurs, replying to tonyspurs, 11, #615 of 1646 🔗

So while millions face unemployment and financial hardships others while still employed and recieving wages get nice discounts ??

202795 ▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to tonyspurs, 7, #616 of 1646 🔗

It’s perverse.

202946 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Cicatriz, 1, #617 of 1646 🔗

Yes, I didn’t realise that you had to pay to join alcoholics anonymous these days.

202814 ▶▶ RickH, replying to tonyspurs, 4, #618 of 1646 🔗

Beware the division and envy trap.

202863 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 1, #619 of 1646 🔗

Is this “division and envy trap” like the one used for many decades that said: “those people have more money than you! Vote for us and we’ll take it off them and give it to you”?

202964 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to tonyspurs, 1, #620 of 1646 🔗


202796 l835, replying to l835, 9, #621 of 1646 🔗

Excitement continues to build in Wales, as we only have 2 1/2 hours to buy our “non-essentials” Even though we haven’t been told what is, and what isn’t essential. Unfortunately the only place I could buy “non-essentials” within a 40 mile radius is ANOTHER SUPERMARKET, as we don’t have independent bookshops, clothes shops, pot and pan shops anymore. The only people this is punishing is those who don’t have an Amazon account.

202908 ▶▶ annie, replying to l835, 5, #622 of 1646 🔗

Here, I imagine, are the rules:

.they can sell you knickers but not t shirts.The knickers must not be frilly or brightly coloured
.they can only sell you a bra if you demonstrate that it’s essential by allowing them to remotely measure the angle of droop of your boobs
.they can sell you face nappies but not face cream
.a hairbrush but not curlers
.spectacles but not a spectacle case
, pillows but not pillow cases
.pencils but not crayons
. the Grauniad but not the Daily Mail.

…or you can just order it all online, but not from the small local shop that desperately needs your custom but has been forced to close.

203242 ▶▶▶ l835, replying to annie, #623 of 1646 🔗

Just been to Morrison’s. I can’t buy a shirt, but I can buy a Halloween costume, even though it’s cancelled!!!

202797 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #624 of 1646 🔗

I don’t know what they are playing at but the Telegraph also had this article now buried.
It’s the first time I have heard of Ravulizumab -anybody heard of this-let alone know how to pronounce it!

203057 ▶▶ djaustin, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #625 of 1646 🔗

It is an antibody that blocks one part in the complement cascade called C5 . The drug is pronounced rav-you-liz-zoo-mab. It is a follow on from the first antibody, eculizumab, which was the world’s most expensive drug (Soliris) treatment for a rare disease called paroxysmal nocturnal hemoglobinuria . Both have a license to be used in humans so are being used off-label to treat COVID-19 on an experimental basis.

202798 Hoppy Uniatz, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 13, #626 of 1646 🔗

I’ve just seen a man out on a bike wearing a face mask but no cycle helmet. I bet if he was on a building site he would wear a face mask but no hard hat.

202811 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 2, #627 of 1646 🔗

Why would a person on a bicycle wear a cycle helmet?

202817 ▶▶▶ Hoppy Uniatz, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #628 of 1646 🔗

Stops you knocking yourself out if you hit the ground with the side of your head.
Source: personal experience

202823 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 2, #629 of 1646 🔗

Anecdotes are not evidence. Your story sounds very much like listening to Hancock, Valance, Whitty, et al, when they try to justify their lockdown measures, social distancing, mask wearing and all the rest of their pseudoscience.

202830 ▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #630 of 1646 🔗

An early example of safetyism was bike helmets.

202841 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to calchas, 2, #631 of 1646 🔗

They were imposed by propaganda and administrative fiat and law (in some countries).

202849 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #632 of 1646 🔗

I think you’re looking for byciclehelmetsceptics.org.

202853 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Achilles, #633 of 1646 🔗

He’s not wrong in suggesting that the issues are connected, culturally, though.

202905 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ MDH, replying to Mark, 1, #634 of 1646 🔗

We get the point – but in the same way that if I was going to throw a punch, I’d prefer to be wearing a boxing glove, if I’m going to hit my head on asphalt, I’d rather there was an inch or so of plastic and expanded polystyrene between my head and the road.

202957 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to MDH, 4, #635 of 1646 🔗

I used to cycle several miles a day to and from school, and tens of miles recreationally, and never felt the need for a helmet. It’s a partial protection against a low risk at a cost in comfort.

If you feel the need for it, that’s fine, and you are perfectly right to stand up for your personal decision. But others are also right to stand against the ongoing attempts to pressure people into using them, and also to point out that we have a general; societal problem with safety-obsession, and that problem is not unrelated to the coronapanic we are experiencing.

202982 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ watashi, replying to Mark, 1, #636 of 1646 🔗

Agreed, I prefer not to wear one and don`t. Have cycled regularly since living abroad. No-one ever wore them where I lived. So much nicer without one.

203009 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Kev, replying to Mark, #637 of 1646 🔗

I agree that its a personal choice to wear a helmet, but mask wearers, the obsessive ones would make the same argument.

Its not the same as those who wear them to “obey” the law, or those who work in shops or hospitality and “must” wear them, or those whose employers mandate wearing them.

202980 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to MDH, 3, #638 of 1646 🔗

Boxing gloves increase injury to one’s opponent though, via the pneumatic effect. Brain injuries were rare in the days of bare-knuckle boxing, simply because a blow of sufficient force to injure the skull would usually result in a broken hand.

202859 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Achilles, 1, #639 of 1646 🔗

No, I am not, but it looks like some other people might benefit from looking at the evidence rather than listening to Just So stories.

202873 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #640 of 1646 🔗

I don’t have a problem with the discussion but I think it’s a bad example. It’s not mandatory, it’s personal choice and there is the possibility that you may protect yourself from harm without causing yourself or anyone else any additional harm.

202877 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Achilles, 3, #641 of 1646 🔗

It is a clear example of pseudoscience and propaganda. There is no evidence to support the claim that cycle helmets improve safety. None.

203539 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carlo, replying to Steve Hayes, #642 of 1646 🔗

Australia and New Zealand are two countries with such laws.

202837 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hoppy Uniatz, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #643 of 1646 🔗

Calm down dude, I am not campaigning to make them mandatory

202860 ▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Steve Hayes, #644 of 1646 🔗

Steve, wearing a helmet while riding a bike is not exactly new. Okay, they didn’t have them in the 1970s, but they have had them for about 25 years – at least – now.

Mask wearing might be pointless, but wearing a helmet to prevent head injury is not unreasonable.

202871 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to John P, #645 of 1646 🔗

wearing a helmet to prevent head injury is not unreasonable.

I invite you to present the evidence to support your assertion.

202936 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #646 of 1646 🔗

Steve, I don’t mind having this discussion as it makes a welcome change from the usual, but why do you have such a bee in your bonnet about this issue?

Have they made helmets mandatory now? (Serious question). Or is it just that this is something you fear?

203008 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to John P, #647 of 1646 🔗

No, they are not mandatory in the UK. The evidence is entirely inconclusive as to the benefits. Some studies have suggested that motorists actually drive closer to cyclists with helmets on thus increasing the danger! I have cycled to work for about 15 years without a helmet. During that time I have been knocked off twice. On neither occasion, did I hit my head. My arms and legs took the impact so, for me at least, some sort of padded clothing would have been more useful.

202975 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Steve Hayes, #648 of 1646 🔗

I can’t back this up with any evidence (and I don’t intend to carry out any research on the issue) but intuitively there must be a certain degree of risk involved in not wearing a helmet when riding a bike.. This risk is probably greater than ‘catching covid’ from not wearing a mask, yet helmet wearing isn’t mandatory, its personal choice..

203250 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to T. Prince, #649 of 1646 🔗

If you have no evidence, your position, if you are honest, is: “I do not know.”

202840 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 1, #650 of 1646 🔗

I see this all the time,especially popular with the local pavement cyclists,who are a growing threat to pedestrians.

202866 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to wendyk, 3, #651 of 1646 🔗

Riding a bicycle on the pavement is dangerous (and illegal if the person doing it is twelve or older).

202875 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Steve Hayes, #652 of 1646 🔗

Potentially dangerous. As is riding a bike without a helmet, though as far as I am aware that is not currently illegal. You are defeating your own argument here, Steve.

202882 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to John P, #653 of 1646 🔗

What evidence do you have that wearing a cycle helmet makes cycling safer?

202907 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Steve Hayes, #654 of 1646 🔗

Similar evidence to that you have for your assertions about pavements Steve.

203252 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to John P, #655 of 1646 🔗

So what is your evidence?

202983 ▶▶▶▶ watashi, replying to Steve Hayes, #656 of 1646 🔗

not round our neck of the woods. pavements are not overly populated but the roads are rammed with cars.

203257 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to watashi, #657 of 1646 🔗

Oh dear. Pedestrians behave in a unpredictable manner. Vehicle users of the roads are predictable.

203051 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #658 of 1646 🔗

Exactly! But it’s spreading here and no one ever takesany action. Cops are useless.

203261 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to wendyk, #659 of 1646 🔗

I suspect your police officers are too busy monitoring the Internet for unacceptable words.

202880 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to wendyk, 1, #660 of 1646 🔗

As a car driver I would prefer them on pavements tbh.

202887 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to John P, #661 of 1646 🔗

As a cyclist I would have preferred it if cars had never been allowed to invade cyclists’ use of the roads.

202900 ▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Steve Hayes, #662 of 1646 🔗

Well, given the choice I’d probably prefer we all rode horses to get around.

203262 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to John P, #663 of 1646 🔗

So stop driving cars and ride a horse.

202979 ▶▶▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #664 of 1646 🔗

Given that cars probably kill more people than covid, shouldn’t we ban them?

203265 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to T. Prince, #665 of 1646 🔗

Cars kill roughly a million and a quarter every year. This sounds bad to me. But the coronavirus panickers apparently are well content with the carnage.

203054 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to John P, 1, #666 of 1646 🔗

This is the attitude which renders pedestrians virtually invisible and not worth bothering with.

202847 ▶▶ MDH, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 3, #667 of 1646 🔗

Another helmet head here. Last year I was concussed badly enough to require a visit to A&E, back in the good old days when sepsis was the biggest worry… Point is, helmets aren’t compulsory, and most certainly do offer some kind of protection to a direct hit to the head. So, despite having cycled without incident for about 20 years in central London, I’m glad I was wearing one, and still won’t ride far without one. Masks, on the other hand, are just voodoo.

202852 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to MDH, 1, #668 of 1646 🔗

helmets…most certainly do offer some kind of protection to a direct hit to the head

I invite you to present the evidence to support your assertion.

202889 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Steve Hayes, #669 of 1646 🔗

‘In some circumstances’ helmets do a good job, in other circumstances they don’t.

202896 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Rosie, 2, #670 of 1646 🔗

Assertion is not evidence, as I would have though anyone on Lockdown Sceptics would appreciate.

202898 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #671 of 1646 🔗

I flew off my bike a few years back straight onto my head cracked the helmet right open, the conclusion from an examination of the helmet was that if I had not been wearing it, I would most likely have fractured my skull. When I was sanding our wooden floors with a belt sander I used a dust mask, when you saw the state of the mask after sanding I was glad I did. But I do not usually wear a face mask because there is insufficient evidence that they do anything, some evidence that they may do harm and much evidence that they are all to do with conforming to the new religion Covidology, to which I do nor subscribe.

203268 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #672 of 1646 🔗

Anecdotes are not evidence. One would have thought that would not need saying on a sceptics’ website.

203288 ▶▶▶▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #673 of 1646 🔗

Quite. I have worn an appropriate mask on a visit to a grain store, but that was to protect me. What I object to is the new orthodoxy that I should compromise my own health and well-being in social settings ‘for others’ – always said in that nauseatingly sanctimonious voice.

202950 ▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, #674 of 1646 🔗

Oh the irony!!

202804 Rosie, replying to Rosie, 2, #675 of 1646 🔗

Here’s a song to encourage Sceptics 🙂
Let’s save the dance!


h we can dance if we want to, we can leave your friends behind
Cause your friends don’t dance and if they don’t dance
Well they’re are no friends of mine
I say, we can go where we want to, a place where they will never find
And we can act like we come from out of this world
Leave the real one far behind,
And we can dance
We can dance if we want to, we can leave your friends behind
Cause your friends don’t dance and if they don’t dance
Well they’re are no friends of mine
I say, we can go where we want to a place where they will never find
And we can act like we come from out of this world
Leave the real one far behind
And we can dance.
Ah we can go when we want to the night is young and so am i
And we can dress real neat from…

Long version is even better https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwjkbdHV7RQ

202851 ▶▶ John P, replying to Rosie, 3, #676 of 1646 🔗

lol, yes, but it’s called “The Safety Dance”, by Men without Hats.

The 2020 version will be sung by “Men without Masks”

203014 ▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to Rosie, 1, #677 of 1646 🔗

Media bear Safety Mask is more apt

202806 The Filthy Engineer, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 20, #678 of 1646 🔗

Report on my trip to town this afternoon.

Stopped at surgery to pick up prescription slip. They make you queue outside the dispensary window, socially distanced but still expecting you to wear a mask. Everyone in front of me fully gimped up. Notice sign that says essentially, “No mask no service”. My hackles are rising and I’m ready for the challenge. I notice as I get closer to the front the dispenser keeps giving me the eye. People joining the queue behind me also fully gimped up. Get to front of the queue, anti-climax, no challenge.

Wander off into town to get prescription dispensed. Varying levels of gimpage in town. Join queue outside chemists. More SD, everyone in queue gimped up. One middle aged lady hasn’t got mask but is holding a scarf over her mouth and nose with her hand. Like that’s going to do any good. Eventually get allowed into chemist. Still no challenge.

On a positive note no one challenged me on the downside too many brainwashed wandering around.

202816 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 20, #679 of 1646 🔗

That’s what stops me shopping. I’m unmasked and don’t get challenged but I hate all those masked faces.

202893 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to thinkaboutit, 9, #680 of 1646 🔗

They aren’t faces, that’s the horrid thing about them.
Reference unpersons, as they say it in Newspeak.

202984 ▶▶▶ Felice, replying to thinkaboutit, 9, #681 of 1646 🔗

I particularly hate the black masks. Reminds me far too much of islamic veils. I spent far too long living in the Middle East, and by the time I came home I had a very strong hatred of the veil. I have a suspicion that it is part of the reason that I get panicky about the mere thought of wearing a mask.

202843 ▶▶ John P, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 8, #682 of 1646 🔗

On a positive note no one challenged me on the downside too many brainwashed wandering around.

Yes, this is largely my experience. It’s very depressing.

202809 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 17, #683 of 1646 🔗

If every person with at least half a brain in this country listened to the Mike Yeadon interview with JD, this would be over in days.

202813 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 4, #684 of 1646 🔗

Actually that wouldn’t be very many listening, make it a 10th of a brain.

202819 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Sarigan, 4, #685 of 1646 🔗

Unfortunately only a few thousand in the country would be willing to listen to this. They prefer the mainstream fear and propaganda.

202833 ▶▶ John P, replying to Sarigan, #686 of 1646 🔗


The only criticism I have is that the interview is very long.

202901 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to John P, 3, #687 of 1646 🔗

That’s no criticism … it’s a mark of the thoroughness of the coverage. Its the zealots who want simplicities.

202902 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to RickH, 2, #688 of 1646 🔗

Well, I didn’t say it was a major criticism. I posted a link to it here last night.

The criticism is based on the fact that it is too long for most people to give their full attention to throughout and that could mean that it doesn’t get the attention it deserves.

202935 ▶▶▶▶ Templeton, replying to RickH, 3, #689 of 1646 🔗

Yeadon. Is. Right.

There you go, they like the “threes”

203026 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Sarigan, 1, #690 of 1646 🔗

I’ve just listened to it. Absolutely top top stuff

203036 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Sarigan, 1, #691 of 1646 🔗

I’m desperately trying to get an old friend to listen to it. Said friend is telling me things like this:

6 months ago i was expecting not to be here at this point

…yearning to meet with some people I desperately miss, my parents for one who i have seen twice this year only recently, when it kicked off i thought i may never see them again

I think the cure at the moment does include me getting the disease…

I havent been allowed to go to hospital for a year now for my check ups

there will be children who will die from c19 this winter

But if you are one of those who may die from covid it wont be nice to think those who are shunning vaccines and mask wearing simply dont care either

This person is mid 40s. I am so, so angry about what governments and media have done and continue to do to society.

203228 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Sarigan, 1, #692 of 1646 🔗

It was absolutely brilliant but too long for most people-

202820 Paul, 18, #693 of 1646 🔗

I’ve just had to make an unavoidable visit into town to the bank,I bloody wish I hadn’t.Since my last visit over a week ago wearing of masks out on the street has risen dramatically,it must be one in every three people now,it was probably one in a dozen last week,more drivers wearing them too and more young children.It really wound me up I was almost at the point of screaming ‘WTF !’ at the top of my voice in the middle of the High Street.One of the strangest things was the woman who came out of the bank bare-faced but put her muzzle on before walking down the street !.
While in town I thought I would nip into a shop to pick something up,I knew what I wanted and where it is located,I could be in and out in five minutes,but no,the bloody shop has introduced a lower maximum number of customers in the shop at one time so queuing back in place,expected wait 10 to 15 minutes !,this when other shops locally have just done away with this lunacy after reintroducing it a month ago.I haven’t queued yet to be allowed the privilege of giving a shop my money so I wasn’t going to start today.
I’m in a pretty bad mood now !.
This is in South Lincolnshire by the way.

202825 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 15, #694 of 1646 🔗


It is Boris Johnson’s “ambition” for people to celebrate Christmas with their families, his spokesman has said.

More pointless blather and empty promises from the Buffoon, plus doom-laden threats from our friend Prof Edmunds.

202828 ▶▶ John P, replying to A. Contrarian, 33, #695 of 1646 🔗

I don’t care what that prick’s ambitions are. I just want the bastard and his wretched government out of my life.

202829 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to John P, 9, #696 of 1646 🔗

PS: Yes, folks, I am still in a bad mood.

202944 ▶▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to John P, 2, #697 of 1646 🔗

Me too!

202870 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to John P, 2, #698 of 1646 🔗

Well said. And I’m in a foul mood too.

202886 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to John P, 1, #699 of 1646 🔗

I’d be tempted to leave out ‘my’.

202890 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to annie, #700 of 1646 🔗


I was just throwing up emotionally. “Better out than in” as they say, Annie!

202834 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #701 of 1646 🔗

No longer give a toss.

202904 ▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to thinkaboutit, 9, #702 of 1646 🔗

Exactly. Just ignore it and have Christmas completely as normal.

Even in these mad times I simply can’t see the police knocking on doors and arresting people for having family gatherings at Christmas.

202947 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to kenadams, 6, #703 of 1646 🔗

I would like to think that up to 50% of people are totally ignoring these ridiculous lockdown rules, teirs,whatever.
Are the police actually going to knock on people’s doors and ask the occupants if they are in the correct “bubble” and ask if visitors are from this part or that part of the country?
and are we honestly to believe that they are going to say something like “It’s a fair cop, officer Dickson ( ask your grandparents), we’ll come peacefully.

202844 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to A. Contrarian, 7, #704 of 1646 🔗

Thank you for allowing me to spend Christmas with my family o master. I’m truly humbled by your generosity and compassion.

202888 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Achilles, 2, #705 of 1646 🔗

It’s more than you’ll get from Krankie.

202945 ▶▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to annie, #706 of 1646 🔗

No!!!, Sturgeon has a heart of gold! (that woman is insane). Santa is a ‘key worker’!


202934 ▶▶▶ Van Allen, replying to Achilles, 2, #707 of 1646 🔗

Exactly. They know that the vast majority of people will have Christmas with their loved ones regardless of what restrictions are in place. But the gullible will no doubt be grateful when the restrictions are temporarily loosened.

203225 ▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Van Allen, #708 of 1646 🔗

I can’t agree I think people are now so wedded to their masked life they will forgo Xmas celebrations to comply to the bitter end.

202848 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to A. Contrarian, 9, #709 of 1646 🔗

Do you remember ~2 months ago when BoJo was saying we would be back to normal by Christmas?

Someone has something on him.

202881 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to mattghg, 7, #710 of 1646 🔗

Agree … but also they are playing psychological games with us, and trying to portray Boris as being on our side emotionally at the same time protecting us from the wicked virus. FWIW I thought at the time that Boris knew he was lying and had no intention of allowing things to be back to normal by Christmas, but merely saying what people wanted to hear.

202883 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to mattghg, 2, #711 of 1646 🔗

It was Christmas, then March, then Autumn 2021… which is why I’m surprised he’s brought it up again.

202971 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #712 of 1646 🔗

I’m just waiting for the first mention of 2022 as being the return to ‘normality’.

203145 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #713 of 1646 🔗

The best thing this idiot can do to make everyone’s Christmas is to resign and to stand trial for treason.

202835 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 11, #714 of 1646 🔗

This short paper from CDC is a hidden bombshell. Strongly recommend as an absolute blow to masks.

COVID-19 in a Correctional Facility Employee Following Multiple Brief Exposures to Persons with COVID-19 — Vermont, July–August 2020
A Vermont Correctional Officer was video filmed during his interactions with 6 inmates (Security cameras) He had a total of 22 encounters with these 6 men for a duration in total of 17 minutes (most very short). The 6 inmates were found to be all C-19 PCR pos and all were asymptomatic. They all 6 had masks almost always. The correctional officer had mask, gown, eye goggles and plastic gloves. He became ill with C-19 seven days later. Most of the encounters were not more than 30-60 seconds.The correctional officer had no private exposure. Vermont and his county had a very low incidence of C-19, so unlikely community acquired. There was no virus genetic typing described in the article matching the samples.But CDC must have taken it so seriously and dismissed other route of transmission as the CDC definition of close contacts and 15 minutes is being changed. It now includes accumulated shorter time periods reaching 15 minutes within a 24 hour period.
This is extra ordinary. Someone with eye-goggles, mask, plastic gloves, gown gets infected after mini exposure to asymptomatic persons carrying masks!This explains that the virus is unstoppable(aerosol). Mask doesn’t protect you and doesn’t protect you from spreading the disease. Isn’t this the best explanation that masks do not work in mask fanatic Europe and then seeing the latest figures from Europe as a conformation of a total fiasco?

202842 ▶▶ Henry, replying to swedenborg, 5, #715 of 1646 🔗

Or more than likely, paradoxically, increase transmission rates…

202872 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Henry, 1, #716 of 1646 🔗

Agree with Henry. Just because Theory A is proven to be wrong, this does not positively prove Theory B. It merely disproves Theory A.
There are many reasons why (a) masks could make transmission more likely and (b) why wearing goggles etc could make catching a disease more likely.

I won’t go near anyone wearing the filthy things if I can help it.

202897 ▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, 1, #717 of 1646 🔗

I have massive reservations that these observations cover all the possible exposures that this individual had. Much as I would endorse the conclusion – I doubt the security of the observations.

203002 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to RickH, #718 of 1646 🔗

Agreed, but it does at least hint that no matter how many measures are taken, it will find a way.

203018 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to RickH, 2, #719 of 1646 🔗

But the interesting thing is that CDC is instantly changing its policy because of the findings.And this is the main organisation behind the mask theatre. Why? Becuase they know that the virus is spreading by aerosol and together with the recent NZ case with only 3 min contact getting infected everything points in that direction.

203042 ▶▶ leggy, replying to swedenborg, 1, #720 of 1646 🔗

Sounds a bit like 2+2 = 483 to me. We obviously all know that wearing a bit of old t-shirt on your face is going to make sod all difference though.

202845 Iansn, replying to Iansn, 7, #721 of 1646 🔗

An interesting article on Sky News, not least because of the language used “Globally we are building the capacity to deliver a public health surveillance programme that has never existed, ” he told Sky News.
Health Secretary Matt Hancock said: “Monitoring and sampling wastewater offers another tool to help us identify outbreaks early on – helping NHS Test and Trace and local authorities target hotspots quickly and effectively.”

Half the world doesnt have running water or sewage facilities and these idiots are talking about global surveillance. Seems tot be quite a common theme of COVID, this surveillance stuff!!! 1984 has nothing on this. The shit testers of the world have their moment in the sun.

202861 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Iansn, 3, #722 of 1646 🔗

I’m sure all sorts of undesirable things can be found in effluent. Will they find other viruses and bacteria and then let us know that we all must be ill because the sewage says so?

202879 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Charlie Blue, 6, #723 of 1646 🔗

Didn’t they find Wancock in effluent?

That would put me right off looking for anything else.

202868 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Iansn, 3, #724 of 1646 🔗

It might be OK if they could be trusted to do something constructive and proportionate with the information. But of course they can’t.

202869 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Iansn, 6, #725 of 1646 🔗

The twattishness is breathtaking.

I think he really is that thick. Doesn’t he understand that you can find anything in a stream of sewage … including his utterances?

202892 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Iansn, 6, #726 of 1646 🔗

Regional lockdowns based on sewage samples coming. Shifting away from PCR because they cannot keep the PCR lie spinning.

Your city sewage work has 20 covids, your city is contaminated. Lockdown. Next.

202924 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Basics, 5, #727 of 1646 🔗

Yep, will they swab the sewers in Westminster? Completely full of shit

202943 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Basics, 3, #728 of 1646 🔗

Exactly. Every move has been an attempt to feed the Scary Fairy, rather than a coherent, justifiable measure.

202978 ▶▶ John P, replying to Iansn, 1, #729 of 1646 🔗

“Matt Hancock said: “Monitoring and sampling wastewater offers another tool to help us identify outbreaks early on”

Oh really. Well, I would be very happy to see that Cockwomble is given the opportunity to sample wastewater for the rest of his life. At Her Majesty’s convenience.

And I’d even be happy to give him a regular donation to ensure that he never runs out.

Don’t want him to die of thirst do we?

203046 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Iansn, #730 of 1646 🔗

Globally we are building the capacity to deliver a public surveillance programme that has never existed

Fixed that for him.

202846 Commander Jameson, replying to Commander Jameson, 10, #731 of 1646 🔗

Here is one way of looking at the cost/benefit ratio of lockdowns, which might work on the “you’re a granny killer” coronanists. It would be more effective if it could be soundbited, but I’m not sure how easy that is. Feel free to share and suggest ways of making it short enough for the coronanists to get to the end without frothing at the mouth.

Caveat – it is a crude calculation, not intended to be age-adjusted perfectly accurate, but it is illustrative of the proportion in which we need to keep Covid.

A few weeks ago, the WHO told us that 1 million people had died, out of 750 million infected (at that time). So the IFR is, give or take, 1 in 750. For a male in their ’60s otherwise healthy, the underlying chance of not living for at least 1 more year is about 1:40, or 2.5%. Yes, most people are shocked by that figure, but it’s correct. So according to WHO data, Covid has increased your risk of death within the next year from about 2.5% to, at worst (assuming you are at an almost 100% risk of infection which is not true), about 2.6%. If you are one of the unlucky 2.5% who die in the next year, there is a 3% chance your death was caused by Covid, and a 97% chance that you were killed by something else.

How much of everyone’s quality of life, for how many months/years, is worth sacrificing for any reduction of such a small proportion of your overall hazard for death?

202876 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Commander Jameson, 17, #732 of 1646 🔗

As a grandad, I have to say that any old fart who wishes this sort of evil on younger generations doesn’t deserve to survive – the planet is better off without that sort of selfishness.

202891 ▶▶▶ Commander Jameson, replying to RickH, 6, #733 of 1646 🔗

Absolutely. I think a lot of the unthinking support for lockdowns is driven by the incorrect belief that coronavirus has caused an enormous increase in risk of death. If you can persuade some of those people, using actual data, science, numbers, that this is not true, some (not all) of them may start to put it into exactly this kind of perspective: “my risk is not so bad after all, maybe I should stop supporting younger people having their lives ruined for so long”.

Sure, you won’t persuade the hardened zealots,but let’s start at the margins, do what we can to chip away at the edges of the support for this madness.

202894 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Commander Jameson, 4, #734 of 1646 🔗

I’ve given up attempting to explain relative risk to people. The battle is lost. A good example is cycling helmets, which are really only designed to prevent minor scalp injuries; these are now regarded as essential magic talismans against catastrophic brain injury.

202855 AngloWelshDragon, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 18, #735 of 1646 🔗

I think it is becoming increasingly clear that we have won the argument. Hoorah! Unfortunately winning the argument is making absolutely no difference to what the government or the tinpot devolved authorities will do to us. They clearly intend to carry on down the road they set out in in March and nothing will change that,

202864 ▶▶ Julian, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 18, #736 of 1646 🔗

It’s not the government we need to persuade – they know it’s bollocks and have done for a while. It’s the public. And once public opinion shifts, so will the media (not all of them, but enough) and slowly the politicians. That’s the best-case scenario.

202874 ▶▶ annie, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 3, #737 of 1646 🔗

Until the road ends on a cliff edge and Boris walks right over it.

202878 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to annie, 2, #738 of 1646 🔗

Still following the science.

202938 ▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to annie, 2, #739 of 1646 🔗

No Annie, Johnson will stop at the cliff edge and push the ret of us over

203208 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to T. Prince, #740 of 1646 🔗

He won’t notice the edge until he’s over it.

202920 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 5, #741 of 1646 🔗

They actually need to be locked up now, this is not normal behaviour

203278 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to AngloWelshDragon, #742 of 1646 🔗

Covid-19 is an event now, not a disease.

202884 Anonymous, replying to Anonymous, 37, #743 of 1646 🔗

The ban on “non-essential” items is insane https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-54648194
Worthy of the soviets.
Try this in England.
Go ahead, just try.
The first “non-essential” item in Wales is the so called “Welsh Government”

202911 ▶▶ john, replying to Anonymous, 10, #744 of 1646 🔗

It’s not insane if you believe that buying a hair dryer is a life threatening event and must be banned. Bizarrely, the majority of the population still seem to believe this…

202916 ▶▶▶ Anonymous, replying to john, 14, #745 of 1646 🔗

Will Amazon be banned from delivering “non-essential” items?
The supermarkets and Amazon are the only things that actually functioned during the first lockdown. These idiots are determined to destroy everything .

202929 ▶▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Anonymous, 10, #746 of 1646 🔗

“These idiots are determined to destroy everything”. There’s no denying it now

202968 ▶▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Anonymous, 6, #747 of 1646 🔗

They are not idiots. They are communists.

202974 ▶▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Leemc23, 6, #748 of 1646 🔗

Communists or Fascists they are certainly Totalitarians either way.

203035 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Leemc23, -1, #749 of 1646 🔗

Oh dear. Sloppy use of language doesn’t help.

202969 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Anonymous, 8, #750 of 1646 🔗

Jeff Bezos happens to own some very important media outlets which can sway public opinion, do you think this has any influence over the decisions of the politicians?

203217 ▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Anonymous, #751 of 1646 🔗

Absolutely not. The idea is to go online and ‘stay safe’ and ‘fastened in your house’ as the now famous older lady said on BBC

202933 ▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to john, 5, #752 of 1646 🔗

“Bizarrely, the majority of the population still seem to believe this…”

Surely not ! If so. they deserve everything they get. Unfortunately sceptics suffer too

202914 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Anonymous, 3, #753 of 1646 🔗

Why are Tesco letting them get away with it, next it’ll be sorry rice is banned now, etc.

202926 ▶▶▶ Anonymous, replying to Dan Clarke, 11, #754 of 1646 🔗

If I were Tesco I would say “Let us trade as normal or we shut down”
I believe this is the stance Amazon have taken
Let the Welsh Government have a go at feeding the population

202930 ▶▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Anonymous, 10, #755 of 1646 🔗

Its astounding that a massive business like Tesco are allowing these fools to have a say in what they sell. Amazing

202996 ▶▶▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Dan Clarke, 6, #756 of 1646 🔗

Tesco are making so much money this year they are certain to be lobbying indirectly to retain the social control measures. If anyone big member of the retail sector pushed masks it would be them.

203280 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anonymous, replying to Leemc23, 1, #757 of 1646 🔗

Every action Tesco take is about making more money – they are a private company so that’s what they do (for good or bad for the rest of us). However allowing the government to control their product range is clearly not good for business, so I don’t understand why they are accepting this.
At some point there will be a “jumping the shark” moment where we all realize the absurdity of this situation.
I think we’re pretty close.

202986 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #758 of 1646 🔗

Anyone else get that email pretending to be from CEO Jason Tarry? What a load of old bullshit. I was planning to email him a response but I have not finished dismantling his companies approach yet. I know someone in his PR department would have sent the email. But I am pushing back on anything like this crap now.

This is one of my attempts at questioning.

“ Firstly in response to your control measure introduced in store.

Your company would obviously have a legal issue obligation as controllers of premises to undertake an evidence based health and safety risk assessment. And it is safe to say this would have been an assessment against the risk of your staff or customers being infected in store.

So the obvious question is this. How many confirmed cases of transmission Covid have happened in any of your stores ? when did they occur, and what were the circumstances that led to the infection.

As far as I am aware Tesco stores have remained open throughout the pandemic, so at what point did infections influence your social distancing and similar policies?

202922 ▶▶ John P, replying to Anonymous, 10, #759 of 1646 🔗

The first “non-essential” item in Wales is the so called “Welsh Government”

We have one of those here in England as well.

202885 ianric, replying to ianric, 6, #760 of 1646 🔗

There is mounting evidence that it seems that lockdowns in some form or other are going to be permanent. Does anyone else feel that when lockdowns were first introduced in March that they were were here to stay.

202953 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to ianric, 8, #761 of 1646 🔗

Yes. I knew that once they started they wouldn’t be able to stop. A bit like Pringles. I’ll just have one more!

202963 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to A. Contrarian, 5, #762 of 1646 🔗

Bit like their ‘war on terror’ – will it ever end? currently being extended to include anyone who doesn’t want to be first in line for their rushed vaccine.

202954 ▶▶ Julian, replying to ianric, #763 of 1646 🔗

I thought they would last until a vaccine was available

202955 ▶▶ calchas, replying to ianric, 8, #764 of 1646 🔗

What alerted me to the probability that something not to do with the virus was going on was how quickly the media began messaging that things were never going to go back to how they were. This was right out of the gate in March.

I don’t think lockdowns will be permanent. My opinion is that we are in a preparation/exercise phase for a financial collapse/reset.

Not the WEF’s reset.

Look at the prohibition on selling ‘non-essential’ goods in Wales. Could this be am exercise to deal with drastically reduced imports?

It doesn’t seem to make any other kind of sense. I mean what else can be achieved in 17 days?

203010 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to calchas, 2, #765 of 1646 🔗

Nothing much can be achieved in 17 days, but that’s not the point. None of this is about measures anyone believes are effective, it’s all appearances – how can we spin this out without causing revolution or destroying the economy 100% but at the same time look like we know what we’re doing, until a vaccine comes along and then we can gradually pull back (or not, depending on how evil you think they are and what you think is driving this).

202959 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to ianric, 9, #766 of 1646 🔗

‘New normal’ being endlessly said in the controlled media in March was the giveaway.

The public were clearly told they won’t ever go back to old normal – still most live in hope that if they comply with every diktat they will get their old lives back – they won’t.

202966 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Darryl, 11, #767 of 1646 🔗

The “New Normal” phase was peddled out almost immediately, well before it was evidenced a new normal was required.

202991 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Leemc23, 8, #768 of 1646 🔗

It was a giveaway that something far more sinister and planned was taking place – still not sure why most people can’t see they were being programmed by the behavioural scientists for a Great Reset from day one.

It’s better for people to simply admit they have been scammed rather than continuing to believe it is all simply about a virus – otherwise they will simply have the technocratic elites vision for the world forced on them.

203016 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Darryl, 3, #769 of 1646 🔗

We are witnessing a coup under the cover of a public health emergency

203207 ▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 3, #770 of 1646 🔗

Absolutely. They were not going to let a good pandemic go to waste, reading even a little of the WEF stuff about resetting education and taking it on line made me very suspicious. And of course without health passports we are going nowhere. Stay at home and take a holiday on Zoom

203001 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to ianric, 1, #771 of 1646 🔗

I think they were here for longer than were initially claimed.

203004 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to ianric, 3, #772 of 1646 🔗

I naively believed that the first three week lockdown was genuinely required to clear the decks of the NHS for ‘action stations’, and went along with it. However, when it was renewed after that, I began to smell a rat and stopped full compliance. The real clincher for me was when Johnson retracted ‘eat out to help out’ and changed it to ‘drink up and get out’.

203031 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Cranmer, 2, #773 of 1646 🔗

There was nothing ‘naive’ in that belief at that early stage. Given the information available, the preparation was proportionate at the time.

It was the continuation that revealed the fable for what it was.

203034 ▶▶ Mark H, replying to ianric, 7, #774 of 1646 🔗

Cite me one of the 4 nation leaders that has any sort of plan or any sort of roadmap that shows a complete return to normal, even IF a vaccine is successful?

Sturgeon has 5 tiers of lockdown and even Level Zero, the least severe in terms of restrictions, still carries restrictions on how many people you can meet and still mandates face masks.

No, there is no returning to normality.

203065 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to ianric, #775 of 1646 🔗

Was a definite even back then.

202899 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 12, #776 of 1646 🔗

What a great job Mark Drakeford is doing for the sceptic cause.

202925 ▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Smelly Melly, 2, #777 of 1646 🔗

Yep, see above….

202913 Jonny S., replying to Jonny S., 10, #778 of 1646 🔗

News just in from the BBC webshite.

Throughout the pandemic, social media companies have become increasingly bold in deleting viral misinformation.
The latest example: YouTube has removed a video claiming masks are ineffective against the spread of Covid-19. The group behind the video calls itself “America’s Frontline Doctors”.
And on Facebook, they claimed they had been “censored”.
The video has been widely shared on other platforms. It was deleted from video sharing site Vimeo, and Facebook’s third-party fact checkers have labelled it with a warning, but it went viral on Twitter.
Anyone clicking the YouTube link, however, will see a message saying that the video has been taken down because it violated the site’s terms of service. We’ve contacted YouTube for comment.
The doctors claim masks are “completely irrelevant” in battling coronavirus.
However the World Health Organization (WHO) recommends face coverings “to provide a barrier for potentially infectious droplets”.
The first appearance of the doctors’ group in July went viral, though that earlier video was also taken down by YouTube because it contained misinformation about Covid-19.

202958 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Jonny S., 10, #779 of 1646 🔗

If they were so confident in the argument they wouldn’t need to censor anything, the last resort on losing the argument, is, don’t want to discuss it, they are pathetic. Everything about this madness is pathetic.

202999 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Jonny S., 8, #780 of 1646 🔗

The WHO claimed masks were ineffective until their palms were greased! Money is a great motivator.

203007 ▶▶ Sasha, replying to Jonny S., 2, #781 of 1646 🔗

I wouldn’t worry about the BBC. Their credability is near-zero, along with their claims about global warming which they have been preaching at us for the last 30 years. The BBC has lately become the government’s mouthpiece because they are terrified that if they expose the virus/lockdown/testing fraud for what it is, the Tories will take their TV Licence (gravy train) away.

202923 T. Prince, replying to T. Prince, 26, #782 of 1646 🔗

This in Spectator update

“In Wales , supermarkets will only sell ‘essential’ products during the lockdown, excluding clothing and hardware items. On Coffee House , Matthew Lynn says this amounts to war on the Welsh economy.”

This amounts to war on the Welsh people

202939 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to T. Prince, 5, #783 of 1646 🔗

If only they would recognise that though. “But it’s fairer, look you”.

202948 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to T. Prince, 4, #784 of 1646 🔗

The Welsh people have a choice whether to stand up to the nonsense and tyranny or simply go along with it. Hopefully a few more people will just say enough and get on with life. The more power you give the elite bureaucrats the less freedoms you will ever get back.

202985 ▶▶ Brian ‘Monty’ Cohen, replying to T. Prince, 5, #785 of 1646 🔗

It’s been quoted before but bears repeating:
“Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.”
William Pitt

203203 ▶▶ annie, replying to T. Prince, 2, #786 of 1646 🔗

Dripfeed and his gang have been making war on us since March. They started by making it illegal to leave your home for more than half an hour, once a day, which made me into a hardened criminal in less than a week. Then they made it illegal to walk our coast path, and to drive any distance in order to walk any other path.I walked the coast path almost every day, and drove to other paths.
Now, trailing that appalling criminal record, for the second time I am embarking on a thoroughgoing life of Coronacrime. Whoopee!
I hope spiked shoes are counted as essential items, because I need a new, exceptionally spikey pair to dance on Dripfeed’s grave in.

202937 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 5, #787 of 1646 🔗

I reckon they’ll try and ban laughter next…

“We hook them on to our faces, laugh, sneeze and sputter into them, then crumple them into our bags or pockets only to retrieve them and do it all again…”

I don’t see many people laughing while wearing them…


202973 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to captainbeefheart, #788 of 1646 🔗

I wonder how many people have mixed up their masks in hectic work environments?
Bet it’s more than a handful

203188 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #789 of 1646 🔗


202940 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 9, #790 of 1646 🔗

It is totally bizarre what they are doing in Tesco in Wales, the jobsworth’s are at war with the people of Wales, who voted them in!!

202989 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #791 of 1646 🔗

The people of Wales did, unfortunately.

203219 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Liam, 1, #792 of 1646 🔗

I didn’t.

202941 Old Normal, replying to Old Normal, 9, #793 of 1646 🔗

Not sure if this has been posted before? It’s a long piece but shoots down the pro-mask arguments.


203232 ▶▶ annie, replying to Old Normal, 3, #794 of 1646 🔗

One sentence nails it for me:

“If a surgeon were sick, especially with a viral infection, they would not perform surgery as they know the virus would NOT be stopped by their surgical mask.”

202952 Basics, replying to Basics, 13, #795 of 1646 🔗

Military are being deployed to help Merseyside councils ensure businesses are complying with lockdown. The troops,who will not be in uniform,will provide extra capacity for councils environmental health teams as they monitor compliance with CV rules.


Not in uniform, so they can’t be spotted and filmed so easily.

203011 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Basics, 6, #796 of 1646 🔗

This is the most frightening news so far

203220 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #797 of 1646 🔗

but just underneath it is an announcement that Berlin has abandoned Trick or Treat, sorry, Track and Trace.

203247 ▶▶ l835, replying to Basics, 1, #798 of 1646 🔗

If not in uniform, can we shoot them as spies?!

203276 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Basics, 1, #799 of 1646 🔗

if they are not in uniform does that mean that they can be shot as spies?

202960 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 11, #800 of 1646 🔗

This isn’t a spoof, but a real article in the LA Times


If Americans would stop complaining about face masks and wear them when they leave their homes, they could save well over 100,000 lives — and perhaps more than half a million — through the end of February, according to a study published Friday in Nature Medicine.

202992 ▶▶ Liam, replying to PoshPanic, 9, #801 of 1646 🔗


202993 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to PoshPanic, 8, #802 of 1646 🔗

🤣 🤣 🤣 . Seriously there are an awful lot of mental people out there. You’d become very sick if mask wearing became the ‘norm’.

203074 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Bella Donna, #803 of 1646 🔗

I nearly fell off my chair 😂

203062 ▶▶ Henry, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #804 of 1646 🔗

Amazing. I wonder what IFR they’re running with. Will have to try get the paper and see what figures they put on collateral mortality of shutting states down.

203078 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Henry, #805 of 1646 🔗

You should, it’s an outstanding example of pseudo science

203069 ▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to PoshPanic, #806 of 1646 🔗

Link to the Nature Medicine paper Modeling COVID-19 scenarios for the United States

203076 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Richard Pinch, #807 of 1646 🔗

Thanks Dick I did see that already. The article is bunk. Cheers 🍷

203082 ▶▶▶ Henry, replying to Richard Pinch, #808 of 1646 🔗

Thank you

203153 ▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Henry, 1, #809 of 1646 🔗

I realise that anything based on modelling (or even “modeling”) is unwelcome to readers of this site, but for those that are willing to read on …

A concern I have with conclusions that “Measure M will reduce deaths by a number N between dates D and E” is that this does not address the issue of the long-term total. One of the things that a simple SIR model is capable of doing is to illustrate qualitiative behaviour, and a general finding is that measures which reduce the effective reproduction rate for a given period simply delay the progression of the infection by that period, but the number of long-term number of infections, and hence, we may presume, cases and deaths hardly changes. So if mask-wearing (or any other social restriction) reduces the rate of spread (a question which ought to be determined by scientific experiment, then it can only reduce the total death toll if it is applied permanently. Otherwise it merely postpones those deaths.

To illustrate, I was interested in the results of Medley et al on circuit-breakers and so I used a simple SIR model yesterday to look into the effects. It was based on R0=2.8 and 5 days infectious period. Since it’s a homogeneous population level model, I wouldn’t rely on it for accurate numerical predictions, but it gives a qualitative picture of the sort of behaviour one can expect. I’ll give the rough figures to illustrate that behaviour.

If we do nothing, new cases rise to a peak around day 57, on which about 7% of the population are new cases, then fall off to negligible around day 90, by which time about 94% of the population have been infected, and that is where it levels off. (Deaths depend on the assumed IFR which I’m not going to discuss here). The herd immunity threshold is 64% but cases still occur even after the infection rate has slipped below 1: I’ll call this the “tail”.

Next I tried simulating a “circuit break” of 21 days (roughly two infection cycles) at various points, assuming that during the break the rate of interaction would fall by a factor of 3.5, then rise back afterwards. For example, a circuit break on day 40 postponed the peak to day 81, but still around 7% and the number infected levelled off at 93%: essentially the same. A break on day 70, after the peak, reduced the overall infection rate to 92%.
What did make a difference was having the circuit break pretty well at the peak, say at day 56. In that case there was a second much lower peak around day 96, and a much lower limiting infection rate of 75%.

My intuitive explanation for this is this. Break too early and you simply postpone the peak (by a time pretty much the same as the length of the break). Break too late and the bulk of the cases have already happened. Break dead on the peak, when the number of cases has just reached herd immunity and you can remove a significant number of the cases in the tail.
Of course, the dynamics for the UK as a whole are far more complicated — we have cross-cutting regional and age-related differences, for example. So my overall conclusion is that circuit breaks can push the peak later in time but not change the level, except where the break happens to coincide rather precisely with a peak in a sub-population, in which case it can make a difference to the long-term case figure. This is the sort of thing Medley et al were looking at.

Although I’m not sure about the “immunological dark matter” or other reasons for pre-existing immunity, it happens that the SIR model accommodates that particular refinement quite easily by changing the initial S percentage from 100% downwards and a corresponding increase in R0. For example, one might assume an initial 50% immunity due to T-cell resistance or indeed any other reason, in which case the estimate for R0 needs to be doubled. The qualitative results are the same: without intervention there’s an exponential rise to a peak, then a fall, with long-term case number the bulk of the susceptible population. Again, the only time a circuit break has an effect is the period just around the peak.

This is of course purely qualitiative, I just put the numbers in for interest.

203077 ▶▶ RickH, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #810 of 1646 🔗

Not much point in saving the lives of those who might believe that crap.

202961 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 11, #811 of 1646 🔗

They lost a lot of money when the Swine flu debacle, with the MO, ended badly, ie the Fear wasnt ramped up enough and it fizzled, they are determined not to let the same thing happen this time.

202976 ▶▶ 2 pence, replying to Dan Clarke, 7, #812 of 1646 🔗

Swine Flu was a drill.
This is the “LIVE EXERCISE “.

202981 earthkiss, replying to earthkiss, 26, #813 of 1646 🔗

Tesco today.

A few laughs from employees.
Confused cognitive dissonance from majority of shoppers.
A couple of teenagers that immediately got it, “Nice anti-covid mask!”

The quest continues…

203049 ▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to earthkiss, 2, #814 of 1646 🔗

Brilliant!!? You could sell loads 😂

203104 ▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to earthkiss, #815 of 1646 🔗

Love it!!!

203177 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to earthkiss, #816 of 1646 🔗

Is this home made? I might make something similar from cardboard it will make the point

203424 ▶▶▶ earthkiss, replying to Marialta, #817 of 1646 🔗


A welding mask, cardboard, gaffer tape and some silver tape.

Approx 1 hour.

203618 ▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to earthkiss, #818 of 1646 🔗

Dead set legend 😆

202988 Bella Donna, 6, #819 of 1646 🔗

Delingpod with Dr Yeadon was Ace! If only we could share this nationwide!

202990 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 1, #820 of 1646 🔗

I think it may have been CGL who linked to this podcast interview with Michael O’Bernicia. Another long one but well worth a listen in full:


202998 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Sarigan, #821 of 1646 🔗

Not sure it was me – wouldn’t want to steal anyone’s thunder. 🙂

203075 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Sarigan, #822 of 1646 🔗

Great podcast

202994 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 13, #823 of 1646 🔗

The Lancet published that highly dodgy research about HCQ before having to retract it. That wasn’t peer reviewd, was it?

The mask report must be absolute dynamite and needs to get out into as many places in the public domain as possible. If one journal acquires control of it, the report could sink without trace.

203006 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #824 of 1646 🔗

It’s worse than you think: it was peer reviewed

203020 ▶▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Recusant, 3, #825 of 1646 🔗

This obsession with peer review amuses the hell out of me. It’s been obvious for a long time that the system has been hijacked by marketing types pushing a groupthink.

Replication is the gold standard now, not “read by seven mates all with the same belief”.

203022 ▶▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to Lucan Grey, 1, #826 of 1646 🔗


203037 ▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Chris John, #827 of 1646 🔗

Often, but you can choose believe certain things.

203066 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Lucan Grey, #828 of 1646 🔗

No. Peer review has its place – but like every process can be corrupted. It’s not simply ‘mates with the same belief’. In fact, the opposite dynamic (professional competition) can be just as powerful.

202995 T. Prince, replying to T. Prince, 6, #829 of 1646 🔗

Bad news from Simon Dolan..

“I wanted to share an important update on the legal case we are bringing alongside Cripps

Barn Group. Sir Lindsay Hoyle, the Speaker of the House of Commons has applied to intervene in the legal challenge, because it raises ‘constitutional importance’

As you know, the key argument of our case is that the Rule of Six, the 10pm curfew and the limit on wedding receptions to 15 people were introduced illegally and without proper scrutiny by Parliament. We believe the Government misused legislation to bring in these damaging regulations, by introducing them through the Public Health (Control of Infectious Disease) Act 1984 by certifying the legislation as ‘urgent’.

However, Sir Hoyle has expressed concern that when the court examines this aspect of the claim it could breach Parliamentary privilege. His Counsel has stated that, if that happened, it would ‘amount to an attack on the ability of each House of Parliament to determine when and how to exercise its functions in scrutinising legislation, subject to the time limits imposed by statutory provisions’.

203012 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to T. Prince, 9, #830 of 1646 🔗

We are heading towards a period of civil conflict if Parliament claims that it is immune from challenge. Where is our Queen? She has often been held up as the protector and guarantor of constitutional government.

203017 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Londo Mollari, #831 of 1646 🔗


203024 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #832 of 1646 🔗

Queen is eitehnrpart of the problem and agrees what is going on therefore it is not treason or it is true what she was told in 1972 – that if she signed the European Communities Act she would no longer be the Queen as she broke her coronation oath.

Looks more and more like the latter.

203025 ▶▶▶▶ Crazy Times, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #833 of 1646 🔗

I think it’s the latter. I’ve seen people argue about this over the years and that we only gave up some sovereignty, but IMHO, you are either sovereign or not, I don’t think you can be half in / half out.

203073 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Awkward Git, -2, #834 of 1646 🔗

The monarchy is just cover for an outdated constitutional fudge – imported from Germany and given hallowed status to save the constitutional rethink that is needed.

203079 ▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to RickH, -3, #835 of 1646 🔗

Imported from Germany?

203028 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #836 of 1646 🔗

Well she’s not. Parliament is sovereign. It is supposed to represent the people.

To all intents and purposes the monarch is powerless and has been for a very long time.

The Bill of Rights is still law:


Although this received royal assent, it’s a bit of a con. Basically, Dutchman King Billy (of Orange fame) was offered the English throne by parliament if he agreed to sign away much of his regal privilege and power.

203070 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Londo Mollari, -2, #837 of 1646 🔗

Well – that always was a mickey-mouse belief! More establishment masturbation.

203254 ▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Londo Mollari, #838 of 1646 🔗

I’ve thought that for some time now. Only Charles pops his head out now and again…..

203015 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to T. Prince, 6, #839 of 1646 🔗

Lindsay Hoyle needs to shut up and fuck off.

203019 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Leemc23, 5, #840 of 1646 🔗

He’s not answered my e-mail about starting a treason investigation.

He’s part of the problem.

203027 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to T. Prince, 8, #841 of 1646 🔗

So the courts cannot examine legislation because it breaches Parliamentary privilege, even though this case is arguing that profoundly important legislation severely restricting fundamental civil liberties was passed into law without Parliamentary scrutiny.

Is there any point in trying to make any sense of this nonsense? The fact is, we are now living in a dictatorship. The only way to restore our freedom will be fighting in the ongoing war we face.

203032 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to T. Prince, 4, #842 of 1646 🔗

The cult is owned. The only way to proceed is to bring prosecutions of fraud against every single MP who voted for the coronavirus act.

203068 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Eddy, 2, #843 of 1646 🔗

No chance. Keep real.

203161 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to T. Prince, 1, #844 of 1646 🔗

It was to be expected that individual law suits would be neutered. However, if there are sufficient of them being thrown out, it will become clear that Parliament is acting despotically. In addition to Dolan there is also the Scottish pub case and the Mark Devlin case; hopefully more will begin soon.

202997 Sarigan, #845 of 1646 🔗

Even fullfact agree on Boris’s view of the working class:


203013 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 15, #846 of 1646 🔗

It’s 5pm on a Friday and so far, no press conference. No media drip
feed of a policy implementation or U turn pending for Monday. No publicity photo of Boris in a gimp mask in a news agents buying a razz mag. No Whitty or Vallance vanity graphs.

Could be a normal pre Covid Friday….

Must be satisfied with ruining the north this week. (Fuck Wales). And have ducked out till Monday.

203156 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Leemc23, #847 of 1646 🔗

Half term starts today in a lot of places. I suspect even the docile masked hordes might start getting riled if some new fealty requirement was forced on them at the last minute.

203029 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 44, #848 of 1646 🔗

I’m not even convinced that people are afraid of dying of Covid-19 anymore. It’s far worse than that – they’re afraid of living.

203063 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Scotty87, 3, #849 of 1646 🔗


203091 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Scotty87, 7, #850 of 1646 🔗

Well said. I also think there’s a lot of narcissism attach to society’s reaction to all this – we’re so special we shouldn’t die.

203143 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #851 of 1646 🔗

I actually want to now – but life insurance wont pay out if I do it myself so I cant

203093 ▶▶ Brian ‘Monty’ Cohen, replying to Scotty87, 5, #852 of 1646 🔗

Absolutely. Too many people are willing to live on their knees rather than take the miniscule risk of dying on their feet!
Say it loud! I’m a sceptic and I’m proud!

203120 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Scotty87, #853 of 1646 🔗

Rhetoric isn’t going to turn this around.

Sorry to be harsh (and I’m as guilty as anyone at empty cursing and righteous posturing ) – but it makes no difference at all.

203151 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to RickH, 1, #854 of 1646 🔗

Mere rhetoric, possibly, but I think it helps us to try to understand why people are accepting all this. My favourite piece of rhetoric I have seen is ‘the only pandemic is the inability to accept our own mortality’.

203181 ▶▶ annie, replying to Scotty87, 6, #855 of 1646 🔗

Quite right.
I’m not afraid of either.
I’m old( ish) and have had many wonderful experiences, but I’m always eager for more. Life is good and death not to be feared.
I believe in the Resurrection and the Life, in both this world and the next.
I will come through this.
I am also a very good and patient hater. And I can recognise evil when I see it.
Evil won’t win.

203030 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, #856 of 1646 🔗

What’s this all about from The Telegraph live feed:

Austrian airline beings offering rapid pre-boarding Covid tests

Lufthansa’s Austrian Airlines is offering rapid pre-boarding coronavirus tests free to passengers on one of its routes as part of a group-wide plan to make such tests standard, the company has announced.

The antibody tests, which provide results within 15 minutes, will be offered to passengers on a voluntary basis before they board flights to Berlin from Vienna Airport from today, Austrian Airlines said.

“We must break down the borders that corona has built up in recent months,” Chief Operating Officer Jens Ritter said in the statement, which acknowledged that for the time being these tests are no substitute for the standard PCR tests required by national authorities.

“Eventually we aim to also achieve the loosening of travel restrictions, but first we want to show how a targeted testing programme could work.”

Austrian aims to roll out testing more widely if it becomes well established, it said, adding that the results from Vienna would inform Lufthansa’s general testing project.

For more travel news, head over to our travel liveblog – currently leading on the news that holiday bookings have surged as four new destinations get travel corridors with the UK.

I thought antibody tests just tell you whether or not you’ve previously been infected with Wuhan lab flu. So if you haven’t, as will be the case for most people, how does that work regarding eligibility to fly?

203039 ▶▶ John P, replying to Tenchy, #857 of 1646 🔗

I think they tell you if you have immunity.

203060 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to John P, 1, #858 of 1646 🔗

No they don’t – it’s not as simple as that. It’s just another example of anti-scientific bollocks.

203071 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to RickH, #859 of 1646 🔗

Thanks for that Rick.

Antibody tests are supposed to tell you (assuming that they work) that you have antibodies to a particular pathogen.

And if you have antibodies to a particular pathogen (a pathogen is a disease causing agent Rick) then you have immunity to that pathogen.

If you have antibodies to a particular pathogen then you cannot be infected by that pathogen and you are therefore immune to it.

Now, it may be that the antibodies detected are not specific to that particular pathogen and the antibodies you have may not just confer immunity to (say) the Covid-19 causing SARS-CoV-2 virus, but also to all coronaviruses.

I have a degree in Chemistry Rick? You?

203086 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to John P, #860 of 1646 🔗

Thing is, John (sorry I wasn’t more precise) – that antibodies are not a necessary sign of immunity; they occur in only a part of the infected population. As I understand it, they are also do not necessarily remain after a period.

So what is ‘bollocks’ (as I understand) is the airline’s idea that the detection of antibodies is a sufficient condition for the detection of immunity.

Feel free, anyone, to pile in on this issue; I don’t pretend to be an immunologist, but it is a vital issue in this morass of wrong information about SARS-CoV-2.

203097 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to RickH, 1, #861 of 1646 🔗

“As I understand it, they are also do not necessarily remain after a period.”

It varies as I understand it. Dr Yeadon expanded on some of these points at length in his excellent interview with James Delingpole.

I think that as a general point that antibodies do confer immunity. That is how vaccines work in theory, but a vaccination will not necessarily confer lifelong immunity and for a variety of reasons.

And antibodies are only a part of the immune response.

In this case, I think that antibodies to this particular virus alone can only have been acquired by becoming infected by this virus and then successfully fighting off the infection. Yeadon is spot on when he says that if you could not fight off the infection then you would be dead.

I’m very forgiving Rick, so not to worry. I was just making a general point really. I’ve no plans to write a thesis on the subject as yet.

203098 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to RickH, #862 of 1646 🔗

One if the problems is the immune system is too complex to be boxed in to a yes/ no test.
Do you have viral fragments in you? PCR, possible virus exposure
Do you have antibodies? Possibly fighting infection.
Of course if they trusted people not to wander around with symptoms and if they assessed risk on symptoms the tests would be less significant.

203101 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to RickH, #863 of 1646 🔗

Antibodies for a viral infection usually only appear if you’ve been unwell. The next indication would be T cells. However, if your innate immune system has handled the virus then there will be no indication that you’ve been infected.

203129 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to p02099003, #864 of 1646 🔗

“Antibodies for a viral infection usually only appear if you’ve been unwell.”

You can have antibodies to a particular virus which also give you immunity to related viruses.

That was the principle behind the smallpox vaccine. People were given a relatively harmless “live” virus that was a cousin of smallpox, and that infection, once passed, produced antibodies that also gave them immunity from the lethal smallpox virus.

The smallpox vaccine could not be given to immune compromised people though. Not everyone needs to be vaccinated.

203172 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Felice, replying to RickH, #865 of 1646 🔗

When my brother in law flew to Morocco earlier this summer, he had to have 2 types of test. I assume one was a PCR test to check for ‘live’ virus, the other was an antibody test. He was negative for both. He was told this was fortunate, as had he been positive for either, he could not have flown. So I suspect that the antibody test is either not what we assume it is, or it the results are being misinterpreted.

203038 Hail, 14, #866 of 1646 🔗

what does Sweden do? Not clamp down hard, as we have, but abolish all remaining restrictions on the elderly, declaring they’ve suffered enough

Here is Belarus , the super-Sweden Wuhan-Corona natural experiment:
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It was a flu wave. There are much, much worse things, like an economy and society unraveling. Oh, we do see that in the Belarus data… Post-Soviet mortality excess greatly exceeds Wuhan-Corona. Age-adjusted, it would be just no contest.

203041 Liz F, replying to Liz F, 36, #867 of 1646 🔗

The most depressing thing, listening to council leaders, is that none of them object to stricter lockdown measures. All they want is more money. F*ck people’s freedom, mental health, livelihoods, postponed operations. If I hear “we need to stop the NHS from being overwhelmed” one more time, I am going to post some of my dog’s poo (big dogs, big poo) to Matt Handcock, wrapped up in a face mask.

203044 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Liz F, 2, #868 of 1646 🔗

Good thinking – must get a dog

203047 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Liz F, 4, #869 of 1646 🔗

They’ve got families, though, or are they all exempt or saddo’s that never go out.

203059 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #870 of 1646 🔗

Again – the issue is the brainwashing psy-ops. It’s difficult to underestimate the power of this blanket of false information.

203083 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to RickH, 4, #871 of 1646 🔗

It’s difficult to underestimate the power of this blanket of false information.

It doesn’t have any power over me.

203092 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to John P, #872 of 1646 🔗

OK. Fair enough. Nor me, any more than religious belief. But it powerfully affects a lot of individuals – obviously. That’s why the effort has been put into psy-ops.

203131 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to RickH, 2, #873 of 1646 🔗

Yes, unfortunately the propaganda is very effective.

203058 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Liz F, 7, #874 of 1646 🔗

This is precisely the point. The Overton window has shifted so far in 2020 that permanent loss of civil liberties, economic destruction, massively reduced healthcare and much else besides are all perfectly “normal”.

We have to face the harsh truth that we are the ones who are now abnormal.

203176 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Richard O, 6, #875 of 1646 🔗

I just LOVE being abnormal.

203436 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to annie, #876 of 1646 🔗

Who doesn’t?

203061 ▶▶ Will, replying to Liz F, #877 of 1646 🔗

That is a brilliant idea.

203164 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Liz F, 7, #878 of 1646 🔗

I agree if the NHS with a budget of £129 billion and 1.3 million staff is overwhelmed with about 7000 ‘covid’ patients in hospital then it is not fit for purpose and needs to be broken up into smaller more efficient operating units. With that budget and all those staff they should have plans in place to deal with emergency spikes in demand. Being able to deal with such situations is why we pay them all that money, time to get organised and properly manage the situation.

203072 JHuntz, -1, #879 of 1646 🔗

Look at all those rabid virus carriers in Sweden. I for one am glad my Country has locked me down I’d actually prefer house arrest.

203080 thinkaboutit, replying to thinkaboutit, 6, #880 of 1646 🔗

Appalling story from Australia: 4 babies die, denied heart surgery because they cannot travel in lockdown.

203087 ▶▶ leggy, replying to thinkaboutit, 7, #881 of 1646 🔗

Pointed this out to a zealot earlier. “Very sad” apparently. I’d go with at least manslaughter.

203140 ▶▶ CGL, replying to thinkaboutit, 2, #882 of 1646 🔗

A 9news report link was on Jeremy Vine’s twitter feed a couple of days ago. I haven’t stopped thinking about it. I literally cant imagine how it can get any worse than this.
New born babies. Not 1 – four!!!
Evil is all around us.
If even this doesn’t shake them out of their madness, then I can’t think what will.

203081 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 35, #883 of 1646 🔗

We need a Charter around which people can unite.

1. Lift the lockdowns.

2. Freedom to work.

3. Freedom to be families again.

4. Full support via a dedicated service for all who wish to shield themselves.

5. Free our faces. No more masks. Publish the Danish Mask study.

6. Any further lockdowns or mass public health measures must be subject to monthly parliamentary scrutiny referendum approval within six months.

7. A Pandemic Preparation Agrncy to be established to ensure that no government can ever argue again that a lockdown is necessary to protect the NHS.

Once the Charter is agreed we can rally round it with multi million petitions and demands that the parties sign up to it.

203121 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to OKUK, 8, #884 of 1646 🔗

It’s a good idea, but at present, the majority of people would recoil in horror at such a thing, and the media would paint it as the action of a few deranged far-right granny killers. I think the narrative is going to slowly crumble anyway without such documents, as more and more individuals find they have had enough. As Charles Mackay said, ‘men go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.’

BTW point 7 is excellent – assuming this is ever over, we need strong constitutional measures to prevent this assault on our freedoms ever happening again.

203084 John Ballard, replying to John Ballard, 4, #885 of 1646 🔗

Not been on here all day as busy so if I have missed a conversation about this I apologise.
Latest government wash your hands type advert on the radio, over and over again is a Dr Gupta saying to do this and that to protect whoever from whatever.
Now is it just a coincidence that the name for the doctor used is the same as the Great Barrington Declaration???
Maybe I have it wrong but seems odd to me unless I misheard it. Could just be our wonderful government trying to discredit the declaration??? !!!

203085 ▶▶ John P, replying to John Ballard, 1, #886 of 1646 🔗

Could just be our wonderful government trying to discredit the declaration??? !!!

Well, yes, but I don’t see the significance in a name.

203088 leggy, 3, #887 of 1646 🔗

Reminder of the 2010 lockstep scenario for those who haven’t read it.

Wasn’t far off the mark.


203089 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 42, #888 of 1646 🔗

Why has there not been any civil unrest over this? I get that the majority of the population have been brainwashed by the government propaganda & MSM.
However, surely by now, people are waking up to it all?

The video posted on here yesterday, showing the guy on FB with the covid test, not actually swabbing himself, just taking it out of the wrapper & putting it straight in the test tube to be posted back for “testing”
& the result coming back as positive.

That surely must make people wake up to the fact that this is all utter shit & lies.

I am in the dictatorship that is now Scotland & today Nicola the dictator has announced a new 5 tier lockdown system, which is basically going to be another full lockdown, with all non essential business closed down again.
Yet, this is all still being accepted???? It’s fucking outrageous now & something has to give.

Why doesn’t anybody tell Boris, Wankcock & El Presidente Sturgeon to fuck right off?

Each day that goes by, I get more & more depressed & angry at the whole thing. There is NO escaping this.

Something needs to happen now, we are already royally fucked.

203094 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to AnotherSceptic, 9, #889 of 1646 🔗

Even level zero looks shite “It would mean household visits could resume, with up to eight people from three households.” – that’s level zero!!!

I really hope there is an underground car park tier still to be rolled out…

203099 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to JHuntz, 26, #890 of 1646 🔗

I agree, but it all needs to end now. People went mental about a guy in America (who was actually not a very nice person) getting killed by the police, yet, our very fabric of life, our liberties and freedoms, economy, health service, employment, businesses, education etc are all being ripped apart day by day & absolutely Fuckall has happened????

This is a bigger issue than some American getting killed by the police, yet nobody has done anything about it on a civil scale.

Sorry for my rant, I am just getting increasingly depressed by this utterly appalling situation.

203112 ▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to AnotherSceptic, 28, #891 of 1646 🔗

Totally get it, me and my family are beyond despair at this stage. People in Scotland have a loyalty to their politicians that borders on cult like. I had planned to finish my law diploma to practice, however I now have no interest in investing anything in this shit show of a Country. The question is where to go?

also, I felt low until I watched that 83 y old woman. the sceptic voice is getting stronger.

203599 ▶▶▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to JHuntz, #892 of 1646 🔗

Japan, Sweden

203229 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to AnotherSceptic, 2, #893 of 1646 🔗

You might find this film interesting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJlQvOgEx58&feature=youtu.be
It is the bodycam footage from the policemen involved, plus the autopsy findings. Very enlightening!

203597 ▶▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to AnotherSceptic, 1, #894 of 1646 🔗

Rants are good, keep ’em up!

203095 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to AnotherSceptic, 12, #895 of 1646 🔗

Yes, I still can’t fathom how the majority of Scots are bending over and taking it, today everybody barring me in the supermarket gimped up. Witnessed 1 old boy picking up a copy of the daily mail.

There you go, only the media can change people’s thinking.

203106 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to stefarm, 15, #896 of 1646 🔗

If these rules were imposed by Westminster, the Scots would be going into Braveheart mode by now. Is there a lack of dissent because Wee Krankie is respected by the lower middle class, gauleiter types?

203111 ▶▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Cranmer, 11, #897 of 1646 🔗

I don’t respect El Presidente Sturgeon.
She is a fucking boot.

203116 ▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Cranmer, 13, #898 of 1646 🔗

This is the absolute irony Scots reject any law proposed by a Tory simply because it’s proposed by a Tory. However, in the cult of COVID they revere it with Krankies additions on top.

203119 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Cranmer, 25, #899 of 1646 🔗

Fuck knows mate. I’ve lived here for 2 years and can’t stand her. Edinburgh is a shit hole, a beautiful city being raped. Litter and dog shit everywhere, I haven’t seen a happy smiling face in weeks although to be fair dick heads shuffling about wearing gimp masks don’t help.

People’s world’s have shrunk to 6 people, fuck everybody else. Breaks my heart.

203127 ▶▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to stefarm, 8, #900 of 1646 🔗

We are a great Country being raped. The bit that pisses me off the most is the flower of Scotland. Get those lyrics to fuck Wallace would be turning in his grave.

203110 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to stefarm, 22, #901 of 1646 🔗

Not just in Scotland, I mean the whole of the UK.
I agree with you, but surely this is really starting to grind on the majority of people?

Then again, if there was civil unrest, the MSM would just play the “covidiots card”

Boris, Wankcock & El Presidente Sturgeon, if you are reading this, You are all utter utter slimy lying CUNTS!
Your day will come & hopefully it will be sooner rather than later.

203419 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to stefarm, 4, #902 of 1646 🔗

They’re not bro, i can tell you that the people are sick of her and this bollocks. Don’t believe the media when they lie about how popular she is. She’s so far removed from reality she’s like Hitler in his bunker being told by his generals that the Russians are nowhere near and they’ll be in Moscow by Christmas. Everyone has had enough of it and have reached the end of their support for her.

203627 ▶▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Biker, #903 of 1646 🔗

Here here, well said & very true Biker.

203109 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to AnotherSceptic, 22, #904 of 1646 🔗

I have a few reasons to be cheerful that might make your weekend a bit better…

Every Friday, there is a small market in the town I live in. For years, Tesco (who own most of the land in the town centre) has been trying to screw over this market because they hate competition.

I had a chat with the baker and asked him if trade had got better or worse due to lockdown. I said I thought it would get better because it is in the open air and people won’t have to wear masks etc.

He said for him, it got much better initially (because the shops were full of panic buyers) and the new customers he got during this time keep coming back. They’d rather support a small business than give money to Tesco and have to deal with all sorts of strange restrictions.

One other market trader told me that the council tried to get them all to wear masks in the open air market. They all refused, so now they don’t have to.

Screw you Tesco, your bread is shit anyway!!

203114 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 13, #905 of 1646 🔗

I can’t believe there wasn’t a full blown civil war when they closed the pubs in March. The country that produced the guy who protected his pint during a terrorist attack, reduced to this level of bedwetteryness

203125 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to PoshPanic, 10, #906 of 1646 🔗

Yeah and kicked the Glasgow airport bomber in the bollocks.

I honestly thought when cunty balls brought in the mandatory gimp masks in in July people might have pushed back, nothing, yes ma’am no ma’am 3 bags full ma’am.

203130 ▶▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to stefarm, 7, #907 of 1646 🔗

That aswell, but back in 2007, life was normal.
I agree with you though, but I mean the whole of the UK, not just here in Naziland, sorry I mean Scotland.

Remember the riots in London (2010) & that was over someone who was shot by the police.
Yet as I say, our very fabric of life is being ripped apart day by day & Fuckall is getting done about it.

I truly despair now.

203171 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to AnotherSceptic, 13, #908 of 1646 🔗



203180 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to annie, 7, #909 of 1646 🔗

Agreed. There’s no need to despair – there’s been a lot of good news this week. There’s a long way to go yet, but some people are waking up.

203117 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to AnotherSceptic, 9, #910 of 1646 🔗

I agree, its astounding that all of the business owners are allowing it to happen, not getting together to say no. Sturgeon is doing it to further her own career while ruining the lives of others.

203128 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Dan Clarke, 8, #911 of 1646 🔗

The cunt stands on TV talking shit every day, she loves it, gives her a tingle. She thinks she is untouchable, a puppet.

203179 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Dan Clarke, 8, #912 of 1646 🔗

To be fair not all business owners are allowing it to happen, there’s a legal challenge ongoing against the Scottish ‘government’ by restaurateurs, and the Liverpool gym rebellion this week was successful.

203132 ▶▶ Paul, replying to AnotherSceptic, 7, #913 of 1646 🔗

I agree too,I’ve been thinking the same every day for six months now,every time something even more ludicrous is imposed I think is this the straw that breaks the camels back of public apathy ?,but no it never is.
Seeing people in their sixties and seventies being bossed around a shop by 16 and 17 year old kids in hi-vis yesterday and even thanking those kids as they subserviently did as they were told doesn’t give me any optimism for the future at all.

203144 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Paul, 3, #914 of 1646 🔗

Problem is sheeple don’t realise, this is the starter, the main course is going to be even less palatable. Still as long as McDonald’s is open and deliveroo are delivering it’s all good.

203178 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Paul, 2, #915 of 1646 🔗

That is weird, seen that too, its fascinating to watch, even when they ‘allow’ people in the shop, they thank them!

203138 ▶▶ RickH, replying to AnotherSceptic, 4, #916 of 1646 🔗

surely by now, people are waking up to it all?”

I’m afraid not – as a general statement

I reckon things are moving – but there’s still a lot of acceptance when push comes to shove. The Fear/Authority narrative is very strong when push comes to shove.

203142 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to AnotherSceptic, 15, #917 of 1646 🔗

Remember that exactly the same thing is happening worldwide, with very little variance other than a handful of notable outliers.

For me it feels like a black magic spell has been cast. People who fell under its influence are literally living in a different reality to us. They cannot perceive what we perceive. Status and education make no difference either.

For whatever reason, we are in the tiny minority who have not been affected. Excruciatingly painful as it is, I would choose to be in this group over the brainwashed every time.

203168 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Richard O, 6, #918 of 1646 🔗

Couldn’t agree more.It isn’t as if the zombies are happy, wallowing in terror as they are. I’d rather suffer from being alive and having a mind.

203185 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Richard O, 3, #919 of 1646 🔗

Agreed. I’ve thought for a while that this is mass hysteria. It’s similar to previous outbreaks like the Witch Mania. (see Charles Mackay’s excellent book, ‘Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds’.)

203090 Old Bill, replying to Old Bill, 11, #920 of 1646 🔗

With a lot of the local councils now testing sewage for covid, I am too afraid to go to the toilet any more – which is a bit of a contradiction in itself. However, I knew that bulk order of face nappies I got from ebay would come in handy eventually, it is just a hell of a job to get the elastic to fit around my waist though.

203100 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Old Bill, 3, #921 of 1646 🔗

Steady, I wouldn’t put it past them to order us to shit into a bag and send it off for analysis.

203210 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to stefarm, 4, #922 of 1646 🔗

Why resist?

203107 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Old Bill, 2, #923 of 1646 🔗

If you get caught outside, I highly recommend moss..natures wet wipe

203134 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Old Bill, 3, #924 of 1646 🔗

Standing back a bit (the best thing to do with shit) – it is incredible what lengths the Big Liars will go to to keep the fantasy going.

203136 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Old Bill, 2, #925 of 1646 🔗

Don’t worry, Bill, I used to work at a sewage treatment works and you would be amazed at what people flush down toilets.
Used to get a lot of false teeth.

203274 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #926 of 1646 🔗

False teeth!
I sometimes have to strain a bit, but never that much!!

203432 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Old Bill, #927 of 1646 🔗

From the other end after a night on the p××s.

203102 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 4, #928 of 1646 🔗

I think it was Cerian? who posted the graphs last week, showing how hospital beds had been emptied out in March. On the same theme, here is some of the data for Scotland, which basically shows the same thing. Probably familiar to most of you in Scotland, but I hadn’t seen this before..


203118 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #929 of 1646 🔗

Not I, PP; BobT is your man for that.

203342 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Ceriain, #930 of 1646 🔗

Cheers and apologies to BobT!

203141 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Now More Than Ever, 1, #932 of 1646 🔗

About time!
She posted this on Wednesday:

It’s still important to get flu jabs This is another way to support our nhs

203113 Fingerache Philip., 9, #933 of 1646 🔗


203115 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 6, #934 of 1646 🔗

Sweden has now 4 times more C-19 cases in ICU compared to the lowest point 2 months ago. Hospitalized cases 3 times more. About 1000 cases per day reported. The seasonal European wave is reaching Sweden and there is still possibility of more cases as herd immunity has not yet been reached as they have had SD. Compared to other European countries still lower figures but the increase in ICU use will soon transfer into more deaths in Sweden. The neighbouring Denmark, held as an example of a light peak in April has rapidly increasing numbers and now equivalent ICU use as in Sweden. Norway and Finland have better figures due more to their isolation and less densely populated area. But central European countries like Czechia (a remarkable mild April peak) has now 20 times more C-19 cases in ICU than Sweden. Otherwise between 5-10 times more ICU cases per capita than Sweden in most European countries. We will soon see which country will reach herd immunity first ,Spain, Belgium, France,UK,Italy or Sweden?

203126 ▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, 5, #935 of 1646 🔗

Just a correction : No ‘wave’ (a fiction) – just a seasonal rise.

203135 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to swedenborg, 7, #936 of 1646 🔗

My money’s on Sweden.

203139 ▶▶ calchas, replying to swedenborg, 3, #937 of 1646 🔗

How do we know that they were admitted for covid?

How do we know that the were not admitted for something else and ‘tested positive?

203158 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to calchas, 2, #938 of 1646 🔗

What usuallylly happens to Swedish hospital and ICU occupancy as October progresses?

203204 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to calchas, 1, #939 of 1646 🔗

Like everywhere else, increased admissions to hospital..
Remember it is now quite cold over here compared to the UK!

203147 ▶▶ Eamon, replying to swedenborg, 2, #940 of 1646 🔗

I suspect their “death” reporting is less inflated than ours and the level of self flagellation may be far lower.
Don’t forget our goverment has only just put a block on care home staff moving between homes yet again.

203148 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to swedenborg, 2, #941 of 1646 🔗

How is the dispersion regionally?
E.g. more cases, relatively, in Skane now than in Stockholm, as there was no 1st wave there?

203211 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Jay Berger, 3, #942 of 1646 🔗

More cases in heavily populated areas, as you would expect. Skåne is 4th, although 3rd as regards population size. The average age of the population of Skåne is lower than in other regions. Skåne had a small spike at the end of the summer though..

My region has new recommendations, although it is 3rd in the number of hospitalised and a fair way below Stockholm..

I am encouraged that even though people are being admitted to hospital, there is nonetheless a constant stream of discharges. The Gothenburg region discharged 6 people in the last couple of days. So it seems that fewer people are spending a long time in hospital.

There *will be* more deaths, but then that ALWAYS happens in the winter – people die of flu every year as well…

Oh, and according to the stats the highest numbers of infections here at the moment is *not* in the elderly – it is in the 20-49 age range…

203173 ▶▶ guy153, replying to swedenborg, 3, #943 of 1646 🔗

You can have herd immunity and still have a rise in the winter. This is normal.

Czechia is very interesting. If a lockdown is early enough you can actually lift it and not have the virus come back for about a month. We saw this also in Australia.

I don’t believe levels ever got that low in the UK for this to be a plausible theory of what happened though. R was basically 1 all summer. What we’re looking at now is nearly all seasonal equilibrium change not delayed first wave.

203202 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to swedenborg, 4, #944 of 1646 🔗

Sweden has had increasing cases for a month now and as yet no rise in deaths. The proportion of those in intensive care is still quite small relative to the numbers admitted to hospital. People are definitely being discharged without being admitted to intensive care – one region discharged 11 patients in the last few days.

Modelling was done (by Swedes, not by Ferguson!) for all regions with predictions for possible scenarios over the coming year, all of which predicted the rise we are seeing at the moment.

If they thought we would be seeing huge numbers of deaths among the elderly, they would not have opened the care homes or removed recommended restrictions for those 70+.

Despite using numbers of cases, they are allowing gatherings of 300 people at seated events from 1st November…

Currently we are still on course for deaths this year to not exceed the 5 year average… I am hoping it stays this way!

203122 Paul, replying to Paul, 13, #945 of 1646 🔗

I just heard the start of Central ITV news,before I could switch it off the main headline was ‘as coronavirus surges it’s as bad as April’,okay if you say so,eff off.

203123 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Paul, 7, #946 of 1646 🔗

Not just the BBC.

203124 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Paul, 12, #947 of 1646 🔗

That is an incredible lie for a news programme, even given the low bar.

203137 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #948 of 1646 🔗

Cheer yourself up and listen to JHB make mincemeat of Mel stride:


203191 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #949 of 1646 🔗

Followed your advice and wasn’t disappointed. Also triggered links to two more clips:

Richard Tice: ‘London is in real serious trouble…I don’t think the mayor’s got any idea’

Julia Hartley-Brewer left speechless at ‘insanity’ of care home Covid rules
JHB is on a roll lately, but I am staggered at how good TalkRadio have become on the panic, in stark contrast to just about all the rest of the UK broadcast media.

203218 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Mark, 2, #950 of 1646 🔗

I also watched the care homes one after going to Cheez’s link. If only we had JHB on the press conferences with one of her cutting questions instead of the usual Laura, Hugh and Beff.

203445 ▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Mark, #951 of 1646 🔗

She had Brendan O Neil on earlier also ,the bit is on youtube .

203426 ▶▶ Old Mum, replying to Cheezilla, #952 of 1646 🔗

Mel Stride – ‘er er er – why don’t you believe me?’

203146 JudgeMental, replying to JudgeMental, 3, #953 of 1646 🔗

Here’s one for the Woke Gobbledegook.
On google search type in “happy Asian women” then click in the images tab.
Do the same for “happy black women”.
And finally “happy white women”. Notice anything?

203150 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to JudgeMental, #954 of 1646 🔗

I’m guessing when you type in “white women” you just get black women for the most part. It’s been like that for a while. It used to be possible to get appropriate results for “white women” when using Yandex, but last time I tried, they’d succumbed to wokeness as well.

203196 ▶▶▶ watashi, replying to Tenchy, #955 of 1646 🔗

I got white women with black men

203159 ▶▶ Alan P, replying to JudgeMental, 10, #956 of 1646 🔗

Don’t use Google. Make Duck Duck Go your search engine.

203175 ▶▶ Liam, replying to JudgeMental, 1, #957 of 1646 🔗

Without looking I’ll guess they’re all pictured on the arm of jolly black males.

203195 ▶▶ watashi, replying to JudgeMental, 2, #958 of 1646 🔗

how odd

203234 ▶▶ l835, replying to JudgeMental, #959 of 1646 🔗

The rumours must be true!

203152 stefarm, 6, #960 of 1646 🔗

Oh well, at least it’s Friday and in respect of our glorious leaders if I’m being honest we would get more sense out of zippy and bungle. Stay strong people.

Bottoms up!

203155 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 2, #961 of 1646 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qgn4B2Iq2cg&t=335s John Lee on RTE.
Also this is the response to a FOI request I made to loughborough university, answers interspersed to my questions
I shall be most grateful if you will provide answers to the following questions:
1) What criteria are you using to determine whether a student has a SARS-COV-2 viral infection?
We are using one of three methods. We are using the Randox Vivalytic analyser on campus, we swab and send to Randox for a laboratory test, or we rely on the national testing programme.

2) What symptoms are you using to determine whether a student should isolate themselves?

a high temperature
a new, continuous cough
a loss or change to your sense of smell or taste

3) What measures are you taking to ensure that any symptoms are from a SARS-COV-2 infection and not from an alternative cause, e.g. glandular fever, tonsillitis or meningitis?

We have implemented a testing programme

4) What measures have put in place to protect your students’ mental health to ensure that they do not self harm/take their own lives?

The University has implemented a range of measures :- We maintain regular contact and provide pastural care both through our academic course structure and through our Warden, Subwarden and Community Warden structure. We have on site counselling and support services as well as a chaplaincy. We have also implement virtual support through the Loughborough Wellbeing App.

203163 ▶▶ calchas, replying to p02099003, 3, #962 of 1646 🔗

‘pastural’ (sic) care – I like it.

That’s what sheep need. pastor (Latin) shepherd – pasture etc

203264 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to p02099003, 1, #963 of 1646 🔗

Having just reread the answer to number 3, they are using a test to identify a possible viral infection from some potentially more serious differential diagnoses! They obviously didn’t read the meningitis option.

203157 Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, 12, #964 of 1646 🔗

Well… it’s NOT just the “scientific” journals that REJECT this study, the sheeple also rejects it even without reading it , just the SIMPLE IDEA of NOT WEARING A MUZZLE is unacceptable to the Herd of Moron Sheeple Slaves.

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203183 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Voz 0db, 11, #965 of 1646 🔗

If the Danish study comes out saying they’re crap, there will either be a revolution, or, more likely, continued diffamation and total ignorance of the result.
The sheeple have invested far too much in that idea now, let alone the politicians, ‘scientists’ and ‘doctors’.

The head of the German BMA equivalent stated yesterday, that he doesn’t think that masks work, referring to various studies and implicitly the Norwegian study.
He was vilified for a day by ‘the community’ and FORCED to backpedal and recite the official garbage line again today.

203266 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Jay Berger, 6, #966 of 1646 🔗

The Danish study most likely shows that masks are useless – that’s why they can’t get it published anywhere; the results are not politically what governments want to hear : https://www.yerepouni-news.com/2020/10/22/covid-19-study-on-mask-wearing-efficacy-rejected-by-journals-as-no-one-is-brave-enough-to-publish-results-danish-researchers/

203192 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Voz 0db, 13, #967 of 1646 🔗

Makes me feel ill just looking at them

203216 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Dan Clarke, 6, #968 of 1646 🔗

This is what they don’t get – its physical revulsion.

203162 OldBaldGamer, 4, #969 of 1646 🔗


For the free Thinkers never give never surrender.

Fuck Them all

203167 Manav Dutta, replying to Manav Dutta, 7, #970 of 1646 🔗

its time to resist en masse, and setup a fund to pay fines for those who break these fake rules and mandates.

203206 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Manav Dutta, -1, #971 of 1646 🔗

I’m sorry… But a herd of moron sheeple slaves is UNABLE to resist.

203170 Bart Simpson, 23, #972 of 1646 🔗

Today’s report:

Did an East End to West End walk with Mr Bart:

Spitalfields Market – very normal, no anti-social distancing, no silly one way systems, barely any muzzles. None of the sellers were wearing them. Bought some handmade pop up greeting cards and we got chatting to the seller – she’s happy that we took advantage of the buy 5 get 1 free offer and mentioned that the lockdown has meant that she’s had to shut her flower shop and instead she has been making greeting cards.

Brick Lane – fairly dead, had to laugh at the irony of shops almost devoid of customers with signs that say “Only X number of customers allowed.” Had an excellent lunch in a Syrian/Lebanese cafe – good food, very normal and pleasant experience.

City of London – was pleased to see a Poppy fundraiser and got chatting to him after making a donation and getting our poppies, he’s been fundraising in the area for many years now but as he says he doesn’t expect this year to be any good owing to the dearth of people in the area. Told us about his grandchildren and how they were scared that they won’t see their grandparents which made me angry. The government really has a lot to answer for. Very few to no visitors at St Paul’s and Fleet Street a virtual ghost town.

Trafalgar Square – Again National Gallery almost dead, restaurants almost deserted.

The longer this goes on, London is doomed.

203174 Tony Rattray, replying to Tony Rattray, 29, #973 of 1646 🔗


We’ve been calling for a talisman for the lockdown sceptics. Is it maureen:


Magnificent on behalf of maureen and her husband!

Note the patronising presenters and celebrity gp. Just confirms what those still supporting lockdowns really think about the general public – there, there – your highly vulnerable (hence we are removing your basic liberties) and we must save the face of the nhs above all else.

203182 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Tony Rattray, 8, #974 of 1646 🔗

shades of Gillian Duffy

203384 ▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to calchas, 2, #975 of 1646 🔗

Yep, that was a classic moment.

203275 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Tony Rattray, 4, #976 of 1646 🔗

Funny how the comments section are turned off. She talks sense.

203363 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Tony Rattray, 4, #977 of 1646 🔗

Straight up lie from that “doctor” – “you’d have to be 101 to remember something similar!” – “er, no – I was around in 1968!”. Quality put down.

203408 ▶▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to leggy, 2, #978 of 1646 🔗

Absolute bare faced lie from another TV celeb GP

203437 ▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Tony Rattray, #979 of 1646 🔗

This one old lady has done more that anyone to further the cause . That g p talked to her and her husband in the most patronising way but they both held their ground and showed that they stood by there opinions .Contrary to the general belief that most people are terrified i think they represent the true face of how most ordinary people feel . They articulated and put into words the voices of so many who have been ignored . Everyone of us owes it to her to follow the example and speak out at every opportunity.

203184 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 9, #980 of 1646 🔗

Well at least we know now or at least we all needed reminding. You can never give up a single one of your freedoms without a fight, whatever the circumstances, because you will never get them back.

203189 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Achilles, 11, #981 of 1646 🔗

It’s only in the last few weeks I have realised the truth of the saying attributed to Thomas Jefferson: ‘eternal vigilance is the price of liberty’. Liberty was not secured for all time, in 1918, or 1945, or 1989. It must be fought for in a never ending battle.

203190 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Achilles, 4, #982 of 1646 🔗

Simon Dolan to be on Talk Radio shortly – I would think he will most definitely be saying what you (and all of us) are saying!

203186 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 11, #983 of 1646 🔗

Where are the poll tax rioters now? Poll tax was small fry compared to this

203197 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #984 of 1646 🔗

Good point, maybe when they raise taxes to 357% to pay for all of this, people might start getting angry.

203199 ▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #985 of 1646 🔗

“We need a Great Reset” they’ll cry…

203209 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #986 of 1646 🔗

They don’t even need to cry for it!

And the youngest SLAVES are already being REPROGRAMMED to accept it!

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203260 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Voz 0db, 2, #987 of 1646 🔗

This is not a joke. True unfortunately.

203319 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Mr Dee, #988 of 1646 🔗

I never post false comments…

203198 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Dan Clarke, 10, #989 of 1646 🔗

The difference between disagreement within the established political class, and suppression of dissent by a united establishment.

It’s easy to protest when half the political class and more than half of the media elites support you and give your side favourable coverage. A lot harder when you have basically no mainstream political cover, no political protection from police repression, and near uniformly hostile media coverage smearing you as evil or stupid or otherwise worthless.

203463 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Mark, 1, #990 of 1646 🔗

That’s when it’s worth doing.

203235 ▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #991 of 1646 🔗

My thoughts too

203283 ▶▶ John P, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #992 of 1646 🔗

And the fuel protests in 2000.

My guess is that – perhaps – we have been subject to a lot more subtle propaganda designed to keep us in line since the “War on Terror” got going after 2001.

I’ve no proof of that – I’m just speculating really.

203291 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to John P, 1, #993 of 1646 🔗

Technology and social media have enabled a whole other level of propaganda and mind control. They play us against each other like never before.

203193 Liz F, 2, #994 of 1646 🔗

For some reason I’ve been thinking about that old Cadbury’s Smash ad – link here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SAbJjktk7E (you may need to cut and paste the link into your browser). I’d gladly vote for the Martians right now, they talk far more sense than any humanoid in the UK/devolved parliaments and they have a great sense of humour. What’s not to like? (Apart from that ghastly goo that Cadbury’s try to pass off as mashed spuds.)

203194 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 20, #995 of 1646 🔗

“Berlin goes Great Barrington Declaration. “Track &Trace no longer possible” “Concentrating on vulnerables” instead. Berlin beendet lückenlose Corona-Nachverfolgung
In the decentralized German Public Health System Frankfurt seemed to have done the same thing.The German track and trace overwhelmed.

203239 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to swedenborg, 6, #996 of 1646 🔗

Track and trace, obviously, is nonsensical one a respiratory virus has spread widely throughout the population. How they think it can work, nearly a year now after the first case likely occurred and with so many people asymptomatic (although I’m unconvinced that asymptomatic people are likely to infect others) is beyond me.

203200 OldBaldGamer, replying to OldBaldGamer, 45, #997 of 1646 🔗

Time is short We must stand up

Anything you can do, do it

Shop unmuzzled, anything at all, please

A very happy Friday, I don’t know you, You don’t know me,

We are the last chance,

203205 ▶▶ calchas, replying to OldBaldGamer, 5, #998 of 1646 🔗

Yes – you are so right.

203214 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to OldBaldGamer, 8, #999 of 1646 🔗

The best solution is just to buy essentials…ANYTHING you don’t need, don’t buy!

Don’t waste energy and resources fighting with other slaves.

203460 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Voz 0db, #1000 of 1646 🔗

Dripfeed in Wales has taken your advice and banned his Welsh victims from buying (inter much alia) duvets and frying oans.
This will really help beat the virus, hoo-bloody-rah.

203382 ▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to OldBaldGamer, 7, #1001 of 1646 🔗

Me and Mr Hancart are the only (it seems) town rebels! No naps, no arrow following, going out thru in doors and vice versa, removing tape from public seating, no massive drama passes on pavements, paying by cash, not using communal hand sanitizer (got my own bottle to wave around if I’m questioned.) We laugh out loud in the street, and shake hands and kiss others we know when we meet them. Not yet accosted but had loads of filthy looks – it’s great!

203611 ▶▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to HelenaHancart, #1002 of 1646 🔗

Well done Helena.

203212 Cheezilla, 3, #1003 of 1646 🔗

Asking myself why anyone wanting to be taken seriously would make themselves look like Mickey Mouse!


Relevance here? BLM UK gains legal status and renames as Black Liberation Movement UK
Registration enables campaign group to access donations of £1.2m and invite people to join


203213 CGL, replying to CGL, 24, #1004 of 1646 🔗

Just dumped my hairdresser of 19 years. Nasty woman was rough with my 77 year old mum when she wouldnt pull her mask up over her nose. Mum wheezes when she breathes and shouldn’t be wearing the f’ing thing anyway. She was only doing it to keep the peace.

Anyway – anyone know one? Can travel a bit!

203215 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to CGL, 3, #1005 of 1646 🔗

You can easily do her hair!

203246 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Voz 0db, 1, #1006 of 1646 🔗

Love to!

203222 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to CGL, 1, #1007 of 1646 🔗


203245 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #1008 of 1646 🔗

I’m in Berkshire – will find you again if I cant find anyone 🙂

203578 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to CGL, #1009 of 1646 🔗

I’m in Surrey, have a good local one.

203226 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to CGL, 4, #1010 of 1646 🔗

Make your way up to the East end of Glasgow. My Dads got a cracking set of clippers. Does a mean buzz cut.

203240 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to JHuntz, 1, #1011 of 1646 🔗

I did used to have a flat-top in my youth but wouldnt be very appropriate now really – thank you for the offer though.

203237 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to CGL, 6, #1012 of 1646 🔗

Can you find a mobile hairdresser? From what I’ve heard (not bothering myself and just using the scissors) they are often less zealous than those bound by salon rules and policed by other clients/members of the public.

203243 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to A. Contrarian, #1013 of 1646 🔗

I will try to yes. I’ll have to ask around.

203248 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to CGL, 2, #1014 of 1646 🔗

I can do a Moe from the Three Stooges cut. Mr Bart is also handy with a pair of scissors.

203502 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Bart Simpson, #1015 of 1646 🔗

Well – I’ll put you on the list anyway, just in case. Thanks. 🙂

203321 ▶▶ Julian, replying to CGL, 7, #1016 of 1646 🔗

The lady who cut my hair in Stockholm offered me her hand to shake when I entered the salon. I’d recommend her…..

203350 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Julian, 1, #1017 of 1646 🔗

Excellent service!

203224 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 14, #1018 of 1646 🔗

Talk Radio, sounds like the fightback is starting

203227 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Dan Clarke, 7, #1019 of 1646 🔗

Please let it be so.

203238 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Dan Clarke, 8, #1020 of 1646 🔗

Simon Dolan on Talk Radio NOW!

203407 ▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #1021 of 1646 🔗

Yeah it’s always quite good . Brendan O Neil was on Julia Hartley Brewer and Richard Madeley on another presenter earlier .

203230 swedenborg, 3, #1022 of 1646 🔗

Early use of nitazoxanide in mild Covid-19 disease: randomized, placebocontrolled trial
“In a multicenter, randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial, adult patients who presented up to 3 days after onset of Covid-19 symptoms (dry cough, fever, and/or fatigue) were enrolled. After confirmation of SARS-CoV2 infection by RT-PCR on nasopharyngeal swab, patients were randomized 1:1 to receive either nitazoxanide (500 mg) or placebo, TID, for 5 days.This was the first study to evaluate the effect of early nitazoxanide therapy in mild Covid-19. Nitazoxanide did not accelerate symptom resolution after 5 days of therapy; however, reduced viral load significantly with no serious adverse events.”
Nitazoxanide(Alinia) is used against intestinal infections like Giardia/Cryptosporidosis but has also broad antiviral effect in vivo. The reduction of viral burden is of the main interest in this first RCT trail showing an effect of an antiviral. If that reduced viral load lead to lower hospitalizations/deaths. Further studies needed,but it is from Brazil probably not much of interest for Fauci
This is one of those crazy drugs which costs differently in various countries
“I am told that nitazoxanide, possibly the 1st Covid antiviral, might cost several thousand dollars in the USA vs less than USD1 a pill in India. If true, that reminds me of that very sad guy..

203241 Melangell, replying to Melangell, 6, #1023 of 1646 🔗

This morning I read probably the most depressing article ever – all about what ‘the great reset’ has in store for us, by the American online doctor Joe Mercola. I used to follow his stuff for years when I lived in the States. https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/10/23/world-economic-forum-prediction-global-takeover.aspx?cid_source=dnl&cid_medium=email&cid_content=art1HL&cid=20201023Z2&mid=DM686157&rid=993703613

Anyway the point is not to spread the gloom but to share this excerpt concerning Matt Hancock’s background as an enthusiastic promoter of this future technological dystopia. Maybe other LS readers know this, but I didn’t….

“As expressed by Matt Hancock, the British Minister for Digital, Culture, Media & Sport, during a speech before the All-Party Parliamentary Group on the Fourth Industrial Revolution in 2017:9

“One of the roles of Parliament is to cast ahead, to look to the horizon, and tackle the great challenges of our time. So, I applaud the creation of the APPG on the fourth industrial revolution, which surely is one of the greatest challenges we face, as a nation, and as a world.

The nature of the technologies is materially different to what has come before. In the past, we’ve thought of consumption as a one-off, and capital investment as additive. Yet put resources into the networks that now connect half the world, or into AI, and the effects are exponential …

I’m delighted to speak alongside so many impressive colleagues who really understand this, and alongside Professor Klaus Schwab who literally ‘wrote the book’ on the 4th Industrial Revolution. Your work, bringing together as you do all the best minds on the planet, has informed what we are doing …

Our Digital Strategy, embedded within the wider Industrial Strategy, sets out the seven pillars on which we can build our success. And inside that fits our 5G strategy, like a set of Russian Dolls.

Our Strategy covers infrastructure, skills, rules and ethics of big data use, cyber security, supporting the tech sector, the digitization of industry, and digitization of government.”

If you listened to my interview with Wood, you will recognize the technocratic elements of Hancock’s speech: the focus on technology — in particular artificial intelligence, digital surveillance and Big Data collection (which is what 5G is for) — and the digitization of industry (which includes banking) and government, which in turn allows for the automation of social engineering and social rule (although that part is never expressly stated). etc etc….”

203258 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Melangell, 3, #1024 of 1646 🔗


203267 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Melangell, 3, #1025 of 1646 🔗

What really facilitates such a strategy of course is somthing that makes it inconvenient, unpleasant, uncomfortable or even downright illegal for humans to deal with each other face to face, like oh I don’t know – a pandemic.

203282 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Melangell, 3, #1026 of 1646 🔗

Pretty chilling. Hancock seems to been very strategically placed within governments. I don’t know why people think they are going to get any say over this fourth industrial revolution. It’s clearly been decided on already – they just needed the opportunity to implement it.

203513 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Darryl, #1027 of 1646 🔗

Look up his relationship with Nicole Junkermann..

203296 ▶▶ Alan P, replying to Melangell, 4, #1028 of 1646 🔗

This is misplaced faith! How reliable is technology in reality? Anyone who’s had a power cut or broadband issues knows that even the most advanced systems are based on simpler technologies.

What will we all do when the green agenda is implemented in 2030….. California are already suffering energy problems in implementing some of the extinction rebellion crap.

203344 ▶▶ BJJ, replying to Melangell, 8, #1029 of 1646 🔗

I´m not afraid of these people. They are cold blooded and devoid of compassion. They do not know the worth of a child´s smile. They do not know the infinite complexity of human society. They are myopic engineers with a spreadsheet in front of them, thinking the world will fit into a couple of A4 sheets. This was already tried in the Soviet Union. They had Pravda, Izvestia, Tass, the universities, the schools, the beaurocracy, the police, the army everything. They lost! So will this lot.

203353 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to BJJ, 1, #1030 of 1646 🔗

It’s not just the Soviet Union – that’s a comfort blanket. It’s here; it’s France; it’s the US; it’s China ….

It’s about much more universal issues of constitution and governance – and democracy.

And their destruction.

203405 ▶▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to RickH, 2, #1031 of 1646 🔗

I did not say there was not a fight ahead. There is, and we will win.

203567 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to BJJ, 2, #1032 of 1646 🔗

Your post reminded me of Chesterton’s poem ‘The Secret People’:

They have given us into the hand of new unhappy lords,
Lords without anger or honour, who dare not carry their swords.
They fight by shuffling papers; they have bright dead alien eyes;
They look at our labour and laughter as a tired man looks at flies.
And the load of their loveless pity is worse than the ancient wrongs,
Their doors are shut in the evening; and they know no songs.

We hear men speaking for us of new laws strong and sweet,
Yet is there no man speaketh as we speak in the street.
It may be we shall rise the last as Frenchmen rose the first,
Our wrath come after Russia’s wrath and our wrath be the worst.

203347 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Melangell, 1, #1033 of 1646 🔗

Fools in charge – whether naive or venal – always presage disaster.

203525 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Melangell, #1034 of 1646 🔗

This was particularly nauseating to see today. Klaus now officially in partnership with media. Normalisation.


203592 ▶▶▶ Carlo, replying to leggy, #1035 of 1646 🔗

They clearly want Biden to win in November.

203251 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 11, #1036 of 1646 🔗

I sent quite a scathing email to my MP and local councillors.
This is the replying email from one of the councillors:

Good Evening,

Thank you very much indeed for both your detailed e-mail and the response received from UHL (FOI request ).

Sir, I am on record as having signed the Great Barrington Declaration and have informed our local MP to that effect. One’s considered opinion, given that during lockdown and continuing ever since, I have exhaustively studied the issue from all sides of the argument, is that the proposition you argue is one that I would concur with.

What I must do, especially as I am the Vice-Chairman of the Leicestershire County Council health scrutiny committee, is to obey all Government rulings, whether they be at national, or local levels. I am respectfully supporting the views of the three Universities of Oxford, Harvard and Stanford, who formed the agreement signed in the US, however I must argue for change in a manner that means no rules in place are broken.

I would be more than happy to discuss this matter with you via telephone and /or Zoom, therefore please would you contact me at your convenience to arrange. As a valued NHS professional I am keen to hear your experiences.

Thank you very much indeed.

Yours Sincerely,

203259 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to p02099003, 3, #1037 of 1646 🔗


203277 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to p02099003, 4, #1038 of 1646 🔗

Are you going to speak to him? If so it would be interesting to know what he says. Report back please if you can without breaching confidentiality etc.

203318 ▶▶ Julian, replying to p02099003, 2, #1039 of 1646 🔗

The tide is turning

203341 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to p02099003, #1040 of 1646 🔗

Good work

203386 ▶▶ RickH, replying to p02099003, 2, #1041 of 1646 🔗

What I must do, especially as I am the Vice-Chairman of the Leicestershire County Council health scrutiny committee, is to obey all Government rulings …”

No. There is no compunction to do so, unless the position is more important than the principle.

It is a choice.

203563 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to RickH, #1042 of 1646 🔗

To be fair, it sounds as if he has made the decision that he can do more good by working within the rules than by breaking them; if he does the latter, he will be sacked and a more compliant replacement found.

203573 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to p02099003, 1, #1043 of 1646 🔗

Ask him what we can do.

203255 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 6, #1044 of 1646 🔗

Think the government is getting too much credit for ‘wanting to save every life’, they don’t seem to, AT ALL

203324 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #1045 of 1646 🔗

They don’t seem terribly concerned about saving much of anyone’s life.

203389 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to ConstantBees, 1, #1046 of 1646 🔗

The day that a government headed by Mr Toad is concerned about more than it’s own neck will be a first.

203256 Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 45, #1047 of 1646 🔗

Report from Gulag Cymru, North-East Sektor.

At 1530 hours crossed county borders to deliver illicit package to Agents X (agents X being Nan + Taid and the illicit package a grand-daughter packed full of hugs and kisses for them.) We had a lovely walk along the river, joined by my brother. Hugs all round before Nan + Taid set off home (they wanted to be back before the 6pm lockdown hit).

Considering that during the spring lockdown my mum wouldn’t come within 6 feet of me, the fact that she does now speaks volumes about how Project Fear is failing fast.

Back home, my wife’s been to Sainsburies after work. She was chatting to a friend who works there. It’s been mad all day with people panic buying ‘non-essential’ items. What a genius Kommissar Tortoise is, creating a situation where hordes of folk cram into a superstore at the alleged start of a ‘Second Wave’. Perfect breeding ground for Covids to leap from person to person during the scrum. Obviously, all those hundreds of shoppers were in abject terror of the Ebola-like symptoms of Covid, crowding into the shops for one final spree.

To my disappointment, my plan to buy a T-shirt at the stroke of 6 was scuppered due to Sainsburies packing away the entire clothing section. They even took the halloween stock off the shelves. So any kids wanting a half-term halloween party with mum and dad and siblings – tough luck. Uncle Drakeford’s banned Samhain. Three cheers for wise Uncle Drakeford.

I consoled myself at the stroke of 6 by driving my step-daughter across the border into England, so she could spend the first night of lockdown with her boyfriend. In Lockdown Phase 1a, back in the spring, that road was devoid of traffic. On the first hour of Lockdown Phase 6.1b traffic levels seemed normal for that time of evening. Nobody seemed to have warned the cross-border commuters that Wales is now a Plague-Zone.

No policing of the Lockdown evident anywhere.

Just for the hell of it, my homeward route took me down narrow, winding country lanes, steep into the valley, the forest closing in either side as darkness fell. Crossing the river back into Wales, I felt like I was sneaking furtively back into my own homeland.

For the first time in a long while, I saw Venus shimmering in the night sky. Until now its been Mars glowering fierce and red upon us. I took that as a good omen.

203263 ▶▶ OldBaldGamer, replying to Mr Dee, 7, #1048 of 1646 🔗

Thanks mate, Keep Buggering on

203269 ▶▶ The Spingler, replying to Mr Dee, 25, #1049 of 1646 🔗

I sense that this ban on selling of non-essential items diktat has pushed many more Welsh folk over the edge into skepticism and anti lockdown sentiment. The mood on local facebook pages has definitely changed. So the more stupid rules Drakeford comes out with the closer we are to full on rebellion.

In our local Asda they’ve used metal barriers at the bottom of clothing aisles, topped off with cellophane stretched across from shelf to shelf. They’ve even cellophaned off a display stand full of books. As many people are pointing out – who the hell is Drakeford to decide what is essential or non essential for each person. Baby clothes aren’t essential to me but they are to someone who’s just had a baby. A book might be the only thing to keep a lonely person sane during these two weeks. Is alcohol more essential than books? Chocolate more essential than a frying pan?

203272 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to The Spingler, 14, #1050 of 1646 🔗

Its freakish, he needs sectioning, no normal person would go on like that

203287 ▶▶▶ Adamb, replying to The Spingler, 8, #1051 of 1646 🔗

Amazing going from last bastion of maskless shopping when we were there in August to this.

203311 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to The Spingler, 11, #1052 of 1646 🔗

Agree. This is ridiculous.

On Twitter I saw a photo of a homeware section being cordoned off with an angry tweet from someone wondering how could they determine what is “essential”? A duvet would be essential especially during this time of the year and if one can’t afford the heating.

203354 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to The Spingler, 3, #1053 of 1646 🔗

Chocolate is essential to me, but on the whole I don’t fry it.

203394 ▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Mr Dee, 3, #1054 of 1646 🔗

You have an excellent way of writing .I almost feel i’m driving through the forest looking at the stars.

203557 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to wat tyler, #1055 of 1646 🔗

Agree. Thanks Mr Dee

203560 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Mr Dee, #1056 of 1646 🔗

While reading your post I fancied I could hear the ghosts of the Warwickshire Regiment singing ‘Men of Harlech.’
‘I remember an old hymn my father used to sing’.
‘Then sing it man! Sing it for your salvation!!’

203270 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 14, #1057 of 1646 🔗

 Denmark sees a clear increase in C-19 and now increasing political pressure and also pressure from the sponsors of the mask study that the RCT study must be published or results declared to the Danish public. The reason being that if the government need to impose further restrictions, they need to know the result of the study, irrespective if it can’t be published in the top medical journals.

203339 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1058 of 1646 🔗

Fingers crossed this will be what we think it will be

203397 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #1059 of 1646 🔗

Agreed. But with the caveat that the evidence is what we already know – with or without this study – aka mask wearing = ‘bollocks’.

203551 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to RickH, #1060 of 1646 🔗

I suspect some in the mainstream media are desperately searching for some sort of ‘far right’ connection to discredit the authors.

203490 ▶▶ Edward, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1061 of 1646 🔗

If this study come out as agnostic or negative on the alleged protective effects of masks, it will be good for our campaigning. But for myself, I don’t care what any studies say – covering my nose and mouth, except in some specific and temporary circumstances (smoke, fire, noxious fumes etc.) is bad for my own physical and mental health and I don’t want to do it.

203273 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 5, #1063 of 1646 🔗

Why are they doing this? – Ivor Cummins asks in some of his videos?

Why are politicians everywhere keen on lockdowns and restrictions?

Here is my simple answer:-

Because it makes them popular. It works a bit like a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Announce restrictive measures and the populace reads that as signalling the situation is dire. If the situation is dire they clamour for firm leadership. Sure isn’t that what we’re getting? Keep them in power!

Does this reasoning have any validity? Perhaps it’s too simple?

203312 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Ned of the Hills, 10, #1064 of 1646 🔗

It made them popular to start with

I’m not at all convinced that is any longer the case, at least here

I was at a regular community event I attend again tonight and with each passing week there are fewer masks (none this week) and less distancing. This week it felt normal. The person who runs it is a raving sceptic and some of the other adults there are too. The first week I went the masks were 60-40, but people see others maskless and take courage – they don’t believe in it.

Obviously it’s not a representative sample, but it gives me hope

203281 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 15, #1065 of 1646 🔗

Overheard in Bute House, 23/10/2020

Krankie: “Mhairi, get me Dan Andrews oan the phone.”

Mhairi: “Aye, boss! Reverse the charges, boss?”

Krankie: “Aye! Cannae pay the phone bill tae that fat fuck in Downing Street gies me some money.”

Mhairi: Aye, boss!”

Krankie: “Hiya, Dan; how ye daen’? Sorry aboot the reverse charge thing; ah’m skint!”

Kim Jong-Dan: “G’day, mate; no worries! How can I help, Nic?”

Krankie: “Well, ah’ve gone an’ done whit ye telt me te dae. Ah’ve goat te tell ye, Dan, cause ye widnae believe it; they’ve aw gone an’ done whit they were telt. Ah’ve shut doon the boozers an’ everything. Gonnae remind me, whit’s next?”

Kim Jong-Dan: “Bonzer, mate! So now you go for the hotel isolation scam.”

Krankie: “Whit’s that?”

Kim Jong-Dan: “You round up everyone who has to isolate from the virus (he sniggers), put them in hotels and get Serco to guard them.”

Krankie: “Hotels! Are ye jokin’; that’ll cost a packet!”

Kim Jong-Dan: “No, mate; you get Johnson to pay; then you pocket that money and get the punters to pay their hotel bills when you finally let them out. You just don’t mention that bit till you let them out.”

Krankie: “Izzat whit you did? You know whit, Dan; that is pure dead brilliant! You are wan top banana, so ye ur! Right, Ah’m away tae get that gaun; ah’ll phone ye next week, pal.”

Krankie: “Mhairi, get the bosses o’ the Travelodge and Serco oan the blower!”

Mhairi: “Reverse the charges, boss?”

Krankie: “Aye; too right!”

203330 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1066 of 1646 🔗

Superb thanks for the laugh!

203532 ▶▶ Templeton, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1067 of 1646 🔗

The accent is written perfectly!

203579 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Templeton, #1068 of 1646 🔗

Should be; I’m Glaswegian. Live in London now, though.

203606 ▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1069 of 1646 🔗

Ha, ha just brilliant. He forgot to tell her about using drones and police helicopters to patrol backyards to prevent households getting together for the footy final.

203285 DRW, replying to DRW, 19, #1070 of 1646 🔗

Thank you for your replies to my comments on yesterday’s page. I am very interested in
your views and am honoured to have influenced Poppy, or to have somehow encouraged Steeve. Your optimism must be difficult, given the recent historical record of the War on Terror, which never really ended.

But hearing from you is one of the main highlights of my day. I haven’t got much energy now everything that made life worth living has been ruined, and a bad experience with my former employer haven’t helped. University hasn’t started well either. I even spent several times this week wondering if I will be around much longer in this world, given the dark present and worse future. But you understand, and because of that you have been of real support. Sadly I think I will still probably be needing next year unless something big happens.

203305 ▶▶ Julian, replying to DRW, 11, #1071 of 1646 🔗

Fresh air, sunshine, nature, nice food, sport/exercise, a good book, and your sanity

They can’t take those away from you (well, they haven’t done so far)

203335 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to DRW, 1, #1072 of 1646 🔗

Hi, Just going for a walk after working for the NHS doctors etc (making and waiting for phone calls on behalf of my Dad) Shift started at 10am and finished about 7pm buying some emergency dressings for my Dad at boots. What are you studying at university? As Julian says there is still good stuff but sometimes we just need to find a way of tapping into it.

203340 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to DRW, 6, #1073 of 1646 🔗

DRW, I think we will all be supporting each other for as long as it takes. Human beings overcome adversity together – that’s partly what makes the current restrictions so cruel and nihilistic imo – and I think a fine bunch of humans have assembled here. Every familiar username that I see here each day reassures me and gives me a boost- yours included.

203345 ▶▶ annie, replying to DRW, 3, #1074 of 1646 🔗

You will be around and you will take a firm grip on life and you will not give in to evil.
You could have been born a Jew in Poland in 1920 and been sent to Auschwitz in 1943 and gassed.
Is what you’re going through now worse than that?
Did all Jews give up?
Is there a thriving Jewish state in the world today?
Did they create it by moaning?

203402 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to annie, 4, #1075 of 1646 🔗

… and now it’s the Palestinians who are the oppressed, tortured and dispossessed . What goes around comes around … that’s the historical chain – the legacy of oppression. It never bodes well.

203550 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to DRW, #1076 of 1646 🔗

Reading books is my saviour, DRW. 19th century classics – or how about The Lord of the RIngs for strong inspiration – or Vikram Seth writes long books that make you feel as if you are alive in another era.
Basic attention to good food, outdoor exercise, sunshine & daylight, meeting people and throw yourself into your studies, really get into it!

203286 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 7, #1077 of 1646 🔗

Piers Corbyn states he will be at another Drink Against the Curfew rally tonight. Google it (Duck Duck Go it) and there is no mention. I get these things have to be a bit secretive but not so much so that nobody knows about it.

203289 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #1078 of 1646 🔗

According to an article in the ‘Daily Mail’, the location will be revealed on Twitter.

203294 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Cranmer, #1079 of 1646 🔗

Tried Twitter – no luck

203301 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Tom Blackburn, 9, #1080 of 1646 🔗

Social media is being very heavily censored.

Venue is Camden Town Tube Station at 9.30pm.

203328 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Darryl, #1081 of 1646 🔗

Thanks Darryl

203413 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Darryl, 3, #1082 of 1646 🔗
203454 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #1083 of 1646 🔗

Looks like a good bit of resistance!

203290 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 43, #1084 of 1646 🔗

A very close friend of mine’s husband is a tarot reader and has some very famous clients who pay huge prices for his service. Not saying I believe in any of it but this was his reading of the travel industry for my benefit and also the state of affairs:

The last months of this year will be really tough but there will be a big change in March/April and there will be a huge boom.

I asked if there will be a vaccine and he said no, it will be something else that ends this.

Those responsible will pay a huge price.

Trump will win

There will be a financial recompense for me in relation to the crimes committed.

Feeling better tonight !

203298 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Sarigan, 27, #1085 of 1646 🔗

I’ll take any hope right now!
Probably more accurate than Ferguson’s predictions anyway.

203309 ▶▶▶ Klein, replying to Achilles, 8, #1086 of 1646 🔗

haha I laughed out loud at that

203409 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Achilles, 2, #1087 of 1646 🔗

I’ll also take hope too Achilles. Thinking of everyone tonight especially those feeling the weight of the darkness. CM x

203303 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Sarigan, 4, #1088 of 1646 🔗

Have we now come down to this?

203306 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Sarigan, 5, #1089 of 1646 🔗

Interesting. I’ve seen this work first hand, so not a sceptic about this sort of thing. If it’s done well it can be deadly accurate. How? Don’t ask me! It’s just nice to have a little mystery in life.

203358 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #1090 of 1646 🔗

We see them regularly and he has said some things that have really spooked me especially about my father and the. My close friend who died in the Stockholm terror attack. Unprompted and now way he could have known.

203332 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Sarigan, 3, #1091 of 1646 🔗

I think most of us here are probably pretty sceptical generally, not just about the current situation – however I’ll take that!!

203336 ▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to Sarigan, 10, #1092 of 1646 🔗

The things you’ve been told is also what I’ve been told, from different sources. I’m just trying to stay positive, staying in the light, letting each day unfold taking each horror that’s thrown at us and letting it go. We’re living in the present, the future has NOT been written despite the dystopian prophecies, and we all have the power to change this, for the better.

203411 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to HelenaHancart, #1093 of 1646 🔗

Also working at staying in the light Helena. I’ve had some down days recently. It’s very true that the future is not yet written. For all those that manifest or meditate, maybe we can put a date and time in the diary to meditate? CM x

203349 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Sarigan, 11, #1094 of 1646 🔗

This weekend could be quite interesting/important, and the Sunday papers will likely give some pointer. Maureen is gaining traction. Try as they may, GBD is not being damaged by the constant stream of slurs from the non-scientist ‘scientific experts’. The Welsh and Scottish restrictions are being exposed to ridicule.

Trump winning would be the optimal outcome. His odds are going out and the polls have a Biden clear win, but apparently he is gaining support among the independents, especially in swing states, so a massive shock is possible. There’s still 10/11 days to go.

203412 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Tyneside Tigress, -7, #1095 of 1646 🔗

Trump winning would be the optimal outcome.”

Could be 77th Brigade posting that – a great way to undermine the credibility of the information on this site.

203446 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to RickH, 6, #1096 of 1646 🔗

Donald Trump speaking at a campaign rally in North Carolina on October 21st:

“That pandemic is rounding the corner. They hate it when I say it. You turn onto this MSDNC and fake news CNN, all you hear is, “COVID, COVID, COVID, COVID, COVID, COVID, COVID, COVID.” That’s all they put on, because they want to scare the hell out of everyone. The more testing you have, the more cases. They say, “Cases are up.” Yeah, testing is up. We have more testing than India, China, and almost every other country put together. You could say it’s ridiculous. At the same time, we did a good job, but it shows a lot of cases. And thank you. He said, “Great job.” We did do a great job. Normal life will fully resume, and next year will be the greatest economic year in the history of our country. That’s where we’re headed.”

203622 ▶▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to RickH, 3, #1097 of 1646 🔗

How on earth could you think Biden winning would be preferable? Whatever other faults Trump has (and there are many) at least he has the right ideas on Covid in terms of opening up and not letting fear of it rule your life. From what I can tell Biden is an extreme bedwetter.

203873 ▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Chicot, 1, #1098 of 1646 🔗

The way Biden looked into the I with that faux grave expression and said “I’m talking to you – there are empty chairs at your table” was revolting in the extreme. This is a guy who’ll cheerfully weaponise the death of his own son to further his own corrupt career. The Americans face a choice between the devil and the deep blue sea and they MUST choose the devil.

203292 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #1099 of 1646 🔗

This article states we will be doing challenge trials, contradicting that blog:

203308 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tom Blackburn, #1100 of 1646 🔗

And here was silly me thinking the virus was raging out of control, on an upwards (but stable) exponential trajectory. Why the need for a challenge trial, more so since we are on the verge of an apocalyptic long covid epidemic!

203295 Coronamoana, replying to Coronamoana, 36, #1101 of 1646 🔗

Seeing my daughter is now a crime.

In what world can this possibly be right?

This year everything that gives my life meaning has been taken away from me and I have been given nothing in return. There is not even the slightest chink of light at the end of the tunnel. There doesn’t appear to even be an end of the tunnel.

I don’t think I’m going to be here much longer.

203297 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Coronamoana, 25, #1102 of 1646 🔗

Yes you will.

All of us here share your feelings.

People are waking up.

All of this is temporary.

203299 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Coronamoana, 41, #1103 of 1646 🔗

See your daughter anyway

Of all the rules/laws/whatever, those making it illegal to see your family are the most immoral, crass and the hardest to enforce, and almost certainly the most ignored

203304 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Julian, 23, #1104 of 1646 🔗

I think that’s all we can do right now. Just disobey.

203300 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Coronamoana, 34, #1105 of 1646 🔗

National law has entirely parted company with moral law, and therefore has forfeited all legitimacy.

203325 ▶▶▶ LS99, replying to Alethea, 6, #1106 of 1646 🔗

Perfectly put.

203310 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Coronamoana, 10, #1107 of 1646 🔗

I’ve seen my son all along, still here.

203315 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Coronamoana, 31, #1108 of 1646 🔗

That you are feeling depressed is an entirely natural response to a profoundly sick society that has gone insane. It is a sign that you are an authentic human being in full command of your faculties who is above being brainwashed. Something to be proud of.

203317 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Coronamoana, 15, #1109 of 1646 🔗

The sun will rise tomorrow. Enjoy the weekend and fuck the rules..see who you want. This will be over

203331 ▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Coronamoana, 11, #1110 of 1646 🔗

I totally feel what you are saying. I have been pondering the same thing as you. But, the other day there, I posted on here about my life this year so far (it’s not been good) & said the same thing about not wanting to go on for much longer.

It received a huge response from people on here (which I wasn’t expecting such a response), every single one of them offered really good advice & it actually made me see thing’s differently.
Yes I get extremely pissed off with the current situation,

As someone on here commented on my post (Arnie, I think it was) he said “it’s always darkest before dawn” & he is correct.

Please do not do anything silly, your daughter needs you in her life.

203333 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Coronamoana, 14, #1111 of 1646 🔗

Do not let them beat you. For the first time in a long time I now really think the end is in sight. The is a huge chunk of light at the end of the tunnel and the train is moving fast. Humanity will win.

Where are you in the country? Arrange a meet up with fellow sceptics here. I would happily come to see you regardless of distance. I have met with Mr and Mrs Two-Six and Mr and Mrs CGL and I cannot tell you how much it has helped my mental well-being. You are not alone.

203338 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Sarigan, 7, #1112 of 1646 🔗

Meant to reply to Coronamoana (obviously applies to you too though Sarigan 🙂 )

Yes – it really does help massively to find someone you can talk to face to face. We are the good guys – you are on the right side. We need all of us to get to the other side – every single one of us counts.

203348 ▶▶ annie, replying to Coronamoana, 10, #1113 of 1646 🔗

And that will help your daughter, will it?
Seeing her is not a crime.
Trying to stop you seeing her is a crime.
Go see her.

203368 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to annie, 1, #1114 of 1646 🔗


203359 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to Coronamoana, 3, #1115 of 1646 🔗

Freedom is you right. You don’t have to ask for it. Remember that.

203381 ▶▶ Mathew Bennell, replying to Coronamoana, 4, #1116 of 1646 🔗

All these stupid rules they keep coming up with are based on lies and 99% unenforceable, they rely upon self-enforcement, so just ignore them & carry on living your life

203390 ▶▶ Liz F, replying to Coronamoana, 4, #1117 of 1646 🔗

Can you meet your daughter “by coincidence” somewhere like a local park? My husband and I have “coincidentally” met my brother and his wife in this way. Nobody took the slightest bit of notice. They were probably busy doing the same thing. Don’t let the b*st*rds get you down.

203395 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Coronamoana, 8, #1118 of 1646 🔗

ignore the rules everyone else is

203313 JHuntz, replying to JHuntz, 3, #1119 of 1646 🔗

To think this guy could be the leader of the free world:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4XMvWIRmx0&feature=youtu.be what a creep.

203322 ▶▶ LS99, replying to JHuntz, 2, #1120 of 1646 🔗

Oh dear God, I wish I hadn’t clicked on that. We’re in a lot of trouble.

203343 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to LS99, 3, #1121 of 1646 🔗

Like most things the media censor this. The guy shouldn’t even be close to the white house.

203418 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to JHuntz, 1, #1122 of 1646 🔗

We said that about the orange pussy-grabber!

(… and were right then)

203355 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to JHuntz, 3, #1123 of 1646 🔗

Very disturbing indeed.

203360 ▶▶ Matt The Cat, replying to JHuntz, 2, #1124 of 1646 🔗

I’m sure Baphomet would approve!

203366 ▶▶ Mathew Bennell, replying to JHuntz, 2, #1125 of 1646 🔗

That is soo disturbing, what a creep

203369 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to JHuntz, 2, #1126 of 1646 🔗

Is it being circulated on Twitter?

203393 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tenchy, 4, #1127 of 1646 🔗

It’s been around for some time – possibly Guido and/or ZeroHedge. Trump is crass but this guy is a creep.

203414 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #1128 of 1646 🔗

They’re both crass and creeps. A sad commentary on the US.

203506 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #1129 of 1646 🔗

There are loads of compilation films like that – just google Biden and hair sniffing….

203537 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Carrie, #1130 of 1646 🔗

Yes, this one is mild compared to the others

203388 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to JHuntz, 2, #1131 of 1646 🔗

Yes, these clips were circulating long before he got the nomination. All of those little girls are terrified and trying to get out of his space. He is also accused of sexual assault of a staffer (it was listed in her divorce proceedings in the 1990s), but the very virtuous Democrat women thought it was so much less important than potentially Trump second term. Shame on the lot of them, not even prepared to protect little girls.

203391 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to JHuntz, #1132 of 1646 🔗

Very similar to Jimmy Saville clips.

203480 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to JHuntz, #1133 of 1646 🔗

His son isn’t much better, apple doesn’t fall far from the tree

203320 swedenborg, 4, #1134 of 1646 🔗

Viral dynamics of SARS-CoV-2 infection and the predictive value of repeat testing “On average, symptomatic and asymptomatic individuals reached similar peak viral RNA concentrations (22.2 Ct, 95% credible interval vs. 22.4 Ct ) within similar amounts of time (2.9 days  vs. 3.0 days ), but acute shedding lasted longer for symptomatic individuals (10.5 days vs. 6.7 days ). A second test within 2 days after an initial positive PCR result reliably indicated whether viral RNA concentration was increasing, decreasing, or in a low-level persistent phase. Quantitative viral RNA assessment, informed by viral trajectory, can improve algorithms for clinical and public health management.
 A second test within 2 days of the first would have more value.

203323 ColoradoGirl, replying to ColoradoGirl, 17, #1135 of 1646 🔗

Excellent article about masking in schools. As a middle school in the States, I can attest to the mission creep. It is much worse here. Children and teachers must wear them at all times. For teachers, the only exception is being in your room alone. For children, the only exception was being outside and six feet apart. A few weeks ago the administration up its game by saying that children can only take off masks when outside, six feet apart and SEATED. Monitoring middle school recess makes me feel like a Nazi prison guard.

203326 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to ColoradoGirl, 1, #1136 of 1646 🔗

Do like the copigs in California that refuse to cooperate with ICE… but only after mutTrump was president, because during Obama Nobel Peace Prize they didn’t cared at all. Typical scoundrel behaviour!


203327 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 18, #1137 of 1646 🔗

Very depressing the levels of censorship the Johnson regime is sinking to.

A new newspaper called ‘The Light’ started last month to give an alternative view to the biased controlled mainstream news. Today it has had its Paypal account terminated to deprive it of any funding. To say we have a free press in the UK really is a joke. ‘Free’ if you give the establishment version of events perhaps.


203387 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to Darryl, 1, #1138 of 1646 🔗


203403 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Eddy, 6, #1139 of 1646 🔗

Possibly. I think this is a warning to people of what can happen in a cashless society – those that control the digital currency and payment processors will have total control over us. Scary times.

203623 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Darryl, #1140 of 1646 🔗

Woo hoo. If you remember the USA ‘hanging chads’ election issue, paypal refused to release funds donated for legal challenges back then.

La plus ca change, …

203334 Stuart, 19, #1141 of 1646 🔗

Man has but one way to be born and ten thousand several ways to die.

Not these days however, when every death is Covid.

Infuenza. Covid.
Pneumonia. Covid.
Stroke. Covid.
Cardiovascular. Covid.
Cancer. Covid.
Vaccine. Covid.
Old Age. Covid.

Etc. Etc.

203337 Crazy Times, replying to Crazy Times, 6, #1142 of 1646 🔗


Time magazine have replaced their logo for the first time in 100 years. Why? The Great Reset. Think I’m joking?

Our issue this week, in partnership with the World Economic Forum, explores that opportunity, which the forum’s chairman, Klaus Schwab, has called “The Great Reset.” How can we seize this moment of disruption to push for a world that is healthier, more resilient, sustainable and just? What do all of us–individuals, businesses and governments–need to do to ensure that we don’t simply revert to what was before?

203352 ▶▶ annie, replying to Crazy Times, 25, #1143 of 1646 🔗

I’m doing everything I dam’ well can to ensure I revert to exactly what was before. It was called ‘living’, and I liked it, and I’m not going to give it up.

203362 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Crazy Times, 9, #1144 of 1646 🔗

Repetition, repetition, repetition. All of it a pack of lies. Empty, meaningless rhetoric.

203392 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Crazy Times, 6, #1145 of 1646 🔗

Vote for a senile, grossly corrupt ex Vice President, who supports political violence and has been accused of violently assaulting a young woman in his employ, I guess…according to Time.

203501 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to OKUK, #1146 of 1646 🔗

A man versus a movement: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_4n_MmNdxA
Why Trump is not perfect by a long way but the only choice at this time, given what Biden represents as the ‘new’ way of life (as people have detailed above)

203396 ▶▶ nowhereman, replying to Crazy Times, 3, #1147 of 1646 🔗

Oh shit….. whether it’s through cock-up, conspiracy or opportunism, it’s happening. God help us…..

203547 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to nowhereman, 1, #1148 of 1646 🔗

God helps those who also help themselves. 🙂

203444 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Crazy Times, 3, #1149 of 1646 🔗

That picture is seriously creepy!

Did you spot the allusion to the 3rd chakra on the scarf?

The SolarPlexusChakra , …. is the core of our personality, our identity, of our ego. The third chakra is the center of willpower. … the third chakra is all about the perception of who you are. In reality, this is the seat of your personal power, your solar plexus, and you can physically feel that confidence and wisdom in its location.

And the ballot box drawn at the location of the throat chakra.

The fifth Chakra is the seat of self expression, and can be seen as the crossroads between the head and the heart. As such, it serves as the mediator between thought and emotion. The throat chakra is about choice : the concept that every choice we make is an act of power and has a positive or negative consequence. The throat represents the expression of your will – the balance of your emotional and mental intentions.

Quite deliberate, I’m sure.

203481 ▶▶▶ Crazy Times, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1150 of 1646 🔗

Certainly deliberate. None of these cover images that have come up over the years have coincidences.

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203346 Dale, replying to Dale, 7, #1151 of 1646 🔗

Oh, to have gone the way of Sweden.That said, it locked down care homes (to catastrophic effect), closed colleges and universities, banned large gatherings, paid people to stay home, etc. Sweden was less than heroic. It was the tallest midget in the room.

203351 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Dale, #1152 of 1646 🔗

Good observation. The gap between Sweden’s response and ours is not quite as big as we might like to think.

203383 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Richard O, 16, #1153 of 1646 🔗

Well, admittedly I only spent 6 days there but it feels completely different to here – no masks, people shaking hands, people dancing in bars, no swerving, and above all the population have been treated like adults and allowed to make their own choices, largely

I think they have overrreacted and at least pay lip service to the narrative that this is an exceptional event (who knows whether they really believe this – by they I mean Tegnell and his colleagues) but the measures are largely voluntary and guidance – their government is not conducting psychological warfare against the population

So if you’ve saying the population have responded similarly, maybe yes, if you’re saying the gap in how government and public health and advisors have behaved, respectfully I have to say that’s well wide of the mark

203404 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Julian, 3, #1154 of 1646 🔗

Fair point, and your direct personal experience is invaluable for the purposes of comparison.

203497 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Julian, 1, #1155 of 1646 🔗

My personal experience (in Sweden’s 4th largest city) is that quite a lot of people still don’t shake hands or hug outside of their family 🙁
That said, they are mostly happy to meet up for a coffee, so social interaction is not totally being avoided.

203385 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Richard O, 10, #1156 of 1646 🔗

Disagree. They never crossed that real Rubicon: enforced mask wearing.

203400 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to OKUK, 5, #1157 of 1646 🔗

The lockdown on 23rd March was the Rubicon.

203545 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Richard O, 2, #1158 of 1646 🔗

Agree with both of you – I felt the two events were Rubicons.

203417 ▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to Richard O, 8, #1159 of 1646 🔗

I disagree. To me, it seems like a world away. As far as I know, there were very few restrictions on the individual. Advice yes, but no draconian laws. Gatherings of over 50 were banned but pubs, bars and restaurants remained open as did schools for under 15 year-olds. Masks were never mandated anywhere. Sensible advice but none of this ridiculous trampling all over the rights and liberties of the population as was done in most nations.

203489 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Chicot, 2, #1160 of 1646 🔗

All correct! Additionally working from home wherever possible and avoiding public transport where possible as well, especially at busy times of the day.

203626 ▶▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Carrie, 1, #1161 of 1646 🔗

Wasn’t there something about the constitution limiting some of the Swedish responses as well?

203376 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Dale, 12, #1162 of 1646 🔗

Judged by purist standards, less than heroic.

In comparison to most rich countries, and most countries, and most Western European countries, miraculous.

203427 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Julian, 4, #1163 of 1646 🔗

When you consider the amount of political and media pressure and hate they received at the beginning I’d call it courageous too.

203486 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Dale, 3, #1164 of 1646 🔗

It was not locking down care homes that was the problem here – by ‘locking down’ all that was meant was that people could not visit. What went wrong was that they put people on palliative care in care homes (partly because it had already been decided that if hospitals became overwhelmed younger people would be prioritised); they did not give them a chance by giving oxygen via mask, for example. There are a fair number of relatives who have made official complaints about this practice..
Additionally there were a large number of staff who worked in more than one home and might well have spread the virus from one place to another.. Lack of PPE at the beginning was another problem here..

That said, the average age of people who have died here was 86!

203357 Anonymous, replying to Anonymous, 16, #1165 of 1646 🔗

‘Control freakery gone mad’ as shops in Wales ordered to stop selling non-essential itemshttps://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/23/control-freakery-gone-mad-shops-wales-ordered-stop-selling-non/

Is this even legal?
“Gloucestershire police said on Friday they would patrol the border to make sure people in Wales did not cross to buy contraband items.”

Shouldn’t we be saying to the people of Wales: “Come over! Buy shoes, clothes, pots & pans, here in Free England!”

203361 ▶▶ annie, replying to Anonymous, 13, #1166 of 1646 🔗

Police in Wales ‘overstretched’ as they check car boots for smuggled knicker elastic – latest.

203365 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to annie, 8, #1167 of 1646 🔗

PS. Pan-demic of kitchen equipment smuggling rages as frying pan- ic grips Welsh shoppers.

203370 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to annie, 5, #1168 of 1646 🔗

PPS. Police central computers crash as patrols try to log hundreds of incidents of computer-game smuggling.

203372 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to annie, 9, #1169 of 1646 🔗

PPPS.,Are pumpkins essential?Only if you eat every scrap of the flesh and DO NOT turn the rind into an illegal lantern in order to gave illegal fun.

203375 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to annie, 11, #1170 of 1646 🔗

PPPPS. Bible sales are banned, but you can buy unlimited copies of Lenin’s What is to be done? and The thoughts of Chairman Mao.

203430 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to annie, 1, #1171 of 1646 🔗

Look on the bright side – that’s a decrease in sado-masochistic porn literature. 🙂

203449 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to RickH, 2, #1172 of 1646 🔗

Aw, it really hurts me when you say that.
Say it again, please.

203399 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to annie, 2, #1173 of 1646 🔗

If they have stopped the Welsh buying shoes there will be hell to pay.

203478 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Will, 5, #1174 of 1646 🔗

My dog shat right in front of the back door this evening. I trod in it taking the bin out. I now need a new pair of slippers, tomorrow, but they’re deemed not essential.

Drakeford… you’re a fucking dickhead.

203543 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Mr Dee, 2, #1175 of 1646 🔗

Make a pair out of dog hide …

203552 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Will, 1, #1176 of 1646 🔗

yeah .. you need to wear wellingtons to stop the sheep moving about

203431 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to annie, 1, #1177 of 1646 🔗

Could we arrange an air drop of non-essentials into Wales for the besieged people ?.

203462 ▶▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Paul, 1, #1178 of 1646 🔗

Welsh Airlift – Berlin Airlift last 11 months I believe!

203544 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to annie, 1, #1179 of 1646 🔗

I hope all the pisstaking jokes are going on twitter, lampooning the life out of them.

203364 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Anonymous, 2, #1180 of 1646 🔗

All proportionate I suppose

203379 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Anonymous, 7, #1181 of 1646 🔗

Essential items only? The Welsh Assembly isn’t essential. They did without one for hundreds of years.

203398 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Anonymous, 14, #1182 of 1646 🔗

Daughter went into an Asda in Wales this afternoon. They were taping of the the area that sold mops. Mops are illegal from 6pm in Wales

I can see their point, if you did buy a mop after 6pm you would instantly die from the rona,

203450 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Cecil B, 4, #1183 of 1646 🔗

This is mop rule! Panic now!
Is loo paper essential, or must we resort to sheets of the Grauniad?

203498 ▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1184 of 1646 🔗

Surely mops are essential to disinfect floors from the deadly virus??

203555 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1185 of 1646 🔗

thats to stop people making Boris wigs and being disrespectful

203428 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Anonymous, 2, #1186 of 1646 🔗

Sounds like they’ve too many police in Glos.

203483 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Anonymous, 4, #1187 of 1646 🔗

If anyone in Wales wants me to smuggle inessential essentials from across the border please get in touch (I’m serious). I’ve always fancied being the Welsh Han Solo. My wire haired dachshund would make a great Chewbacca.

203548 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Mr Dee, 4, #1188 of 1646 🔗

I think the Welsh should organise a choral resistance. Get all the male voice choirs, like a relay, to sing rude songs outside the Welsh Assembly or Drakeford’s house. A flashmob if you can organise it.

203495 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Anonymous, 2, #1189 of 1646 🔗

Genuine question; what reasoning are the Welsh Government giving for this complete and utter fuckwittery?

203373 PompeyJunglist, 27, #1190 of 1646 🔗

Disobey, encourage others to disobey. That’s what we all need to do and represents our best chance of bringing this rotten edifice down.

203374 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 8, #1191 of 1646 🔗

If anyone fancies showing a bit of token resistance to the regime. There is a march in London tomorrow.

Oct 24
Peaceful Political Rally and March March through central London from Speaker’s Corner
London, Hyde Park, Speaker’s Corner Saturday 24 October, 12pm

203380 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Darryl, 1, #1192 of 1646 🔗

Can’t make this one, but I’ll be at the next for sure.

203401 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Darryl, 4, #1193 of 1646 🔗

Manchester next week

203377 howard steen, replying to howard steen, 22, #1194 of 1646 🔗

Here my 3rd Covid Cartoon summarising the state of the country and ‘who knows wha’t among some of the key actors. A slight reference to Germany here because, although I am a Brit, I live near Frankfurt and the German connection cannot be easily overlooked when you consider that Prof. Christian Drosten (Virologist and chief adviser to the German government) is the originator of the first PCR test to be widely used globally and therefore, along with Ferguson et al responsible for the dreadful state of most western countries today.

203471 ▶▶ Crazy Times, replying to howard steen, 4, #1195 of 1646 🔗

You’re very talented. Thank you for sharing.

203542 ▶▶ leggy, replying to howard steen, 1, #1196 of 1646 🔗

Brilliant. Where can I find the first two? Better still, do you sell prints?

203675 ▶▶▶ Helen, replying to leggy, #1197 of 1646 🔗
203790 ▶▶▶ howard steen, replying to leggy, #1199 of 1646 🔗

No prints, sorry, but any non commercial use of image as posted is fine.

203584 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to howard steen, 1, #1200 of 1646 🔗

Fantastic work and a story everyone can find something to identify with. Deserves a front cover I think

203595 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to howard steen, 1, #1201 of 1646 🔗

Wow! That is fantastic. So many talking points; main one for me – “ The MSM knows the true story “.

203410 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1202 of 1646 🔗

Just got this email from Aldi:

Dear Customer,

As new government guidance is introduced across different parts of the UK, I want to reassure you about the measures in place to ensure that you can continue to shop safely at your local Aldi.

  • All our stores have a traffic light system at entrances to ensure a safe number of people can shop at any one time, whilst maintaining social distancing.
  • We have protective screens at all 7,000 of our checkouts and all stores have sanitisation stations for customer use.
  • There are clear signs and social distancing markers advising how to shop safely.
  • We are encouraging payment by card or contactless when possible, with an increased contactless limit of £45.
  • We continue to provide NHS, blue light and vulnerable customers priority access at specific times.

Our colleagues wear face masks in store unless they are behind screens at the checkout, or are exempt for medical reasons. Thank you for supporting us and keeping others safe by wearing one too.

All of our stores are fully stocked, we have good availability and there are regular deliveries, at least once a day. There is no need to buy more than normal so please shop considerately.

If you can’t make it into one of our stores, we are increasing the availability of our new click and collect service, which is now available in 12 locations, with more stores being added weekly. Visit groceries.aldi.co.uk to see if this new service is available in your area.

You may also be able to get Aldi groceries delivered to your home via Deliveroo. Check the Deliveroo app or visit aldi.co.uk/deliveroo to see if the service is available locally.

Additional guidance for our Welsh customers

For our customers in Wales, you may be aware that the Welsh government has announced that supermarkets can only sell essential goods during the current lockdown. This applies to a small number of non-food items so you can still do your full grocery shop at your local Aldi. In addition, our full Specialbuys range is available to browse and purchase online at aldi.co.uk as normal.

Thank you for your continued support. Please rest assured that we are as committed as ever to providing you with a quick, safe and affordable shopping experience every time you visit Aldi.

Stay safe and well.

Best wishes,

203420 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #1203 of 1646 🔗

Fuck Aldi

203421 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1204 of 1646 🔗

I’ve never been in Aldi’s. Don’t like to mix with the lower classes nor buy anything German. I haven’t forgiven them for the war.

203434 ▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Biker, 13, #1205 of 1646 🔗

To be fair Aldi have provided actual competition that has helped drive down food costs. I’m a big fan of both Aldi and Lidl.

203575 ▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to JHuntz, 2, #1206 of 1646 🔗

I do my main shop in a Lidl. Never been harassed for going in without a mask as yet.

203466 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Biker, 20, #1207 of 1646 🔗

To be fair, it’s the Germans now who are putting up the strongest fightback against lockdown, and that because they know they have seen it all before (as a nation) and this time are doing all they can to stop it. Ref ACU2020 and others

203527 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Rosie, 4, #1208 of 1646 🔗

Yeah, this.

1.5 million people on the streets.

203472 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Biker, 10, #1209 of 1646 🔗

Being a fan of Germans and lower classes (I adore lower class Germans), Aldis is a no-brainer for me.

203503 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Biker, 9, #1210 of 1646 🔗

I used to do all my shopping at Sainsbury’s but it got more and more miserable and depressing – even before covid.

I was wary of trying Aldi, thought it was going to be dog rough and rubbish produce but actually I find it a very pleasant shopping experience, especially as I don’t have to walk past miles of aisles full of pretty boxes full of useless non-food.

I can do my weekly shop and be back home within half an hour. The staff are very friendly and always cheerful too.

No bloody robots shouting “please take your items and fuck off!” either!

203423 ▶▶▶ Ossettian, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1211 of 1646 🔗


They clearly don’t order cusatomers to wear masks.

203422 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Cheezilla, #1212 of 1646 🔗

Have you been tempted to respond?

203531 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tee Ell, 1, #1213 of 1646 🔗

No. He’s just ticking boxes and I know the stores are as normal as possible, that’s what counts.

203425 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Cheezilla, 16, #1214 of 1646 🔗

We continue to provide NHS, blue light and vulnerable customers priority access at specific times.

Really pisses me off this. What right do NHS staff have to receive preferential treatment? For what they have (not) done in the last 7 months, they should be at the back of the queue.

203435 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Richard O, 9, #1215 of 1646 🔗

This was originally introduced because some NHS staff and emergency services staff were unable to get to the supermarket before the shelves were emptied due to shift patterns, which was fine back in March/April but it has not been necessary since May at the latest.

203443 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to p02099003, 4, #1216 of 1646 🔗

If I recall correctly you work for the NHS, if so full credit to you for being on here. I have been less than complementary to your employers on more than one occasion.

203507 ▶▶▶▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Richard O, 3, #1217 of 1646 🔗

Sorry to be a tiresome grammarian, but you mean compl I mentary. Compl E mentary is quite different. An example would be ‘May I compliment you on your excellent cooking; the various dishes complemented each other superbly’.

203572 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Stephanos, 2, #1218 of 1646 🔗

I don’t believe it! I checked that I was using the correct one before submitting the comment but still fucked it up and typed the wrong one.

No excuses either, I didn’t start drinking until 10.00pm this evening. What a muppet.

203440 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Richard O, 11, #1219 of 1646 🔗

Yes, same at Morrisons. It’s bloody outrageous. Sodding doctors on £100k+ and they get a fucking discount.

203441 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Richard O, 9, #1220 of 1646 🔗

I am sorry Richard O but, much as I find the NHS to be a complete and utter shambles of an organisation, it is largely staffed by decent, well meaning and hardworking folk. Unfortunately, I spend a lot of time in hospitals with my daughter so know that for every dick there are dozens of decent people. The NHS is sh’te but the people on the ground are, generally, bloody good people.

203447 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Will, 7, #1221 of 1646 🔗

The NHS does not have a monopoly on goodness. The same can be said for any organisation, and indeed society as a whole.

So why are we circling the drain?

203461 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Will, 3, #1222 of 1646 🔗

Yes – it is the behemoth itself that is the problem, not the individuals (or the majority anyway)

203533 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Richard O, #1223 of 1646 🔗

Yes I do find that one somewhat teeth-curling.

203429 ▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Cheezilla, #1224 of 1646 🔗

“Where’s your mask?”
Stare…….. “I’m exempt…..”
“Show me your……”

203439 ▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Winston Smith, #1225 of 1646 🔗

Always put them in the recovery position after and phone the ambulance too……

203493 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Winston Smith, 3, #1226 of 1646 🔗

I shop at Aldi every week. Never had any trouble. Staff are fantastic and, apart from the mad spraying fanatic – who was quickly stopped by head office when I complained – are very laid back about the covid nonsense.

203534 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Winston Smith, #1227 of 1646 🔗


203608 ▶▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Cheezilla, #1228 of 1646 🔗

Mask wearers need education

203536 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Winston Smith, 1, #1229 of 1646 🔗

I couldn’t catch the words spoken. Pure assault though.

And that’s a poor recovery position.

203605 ▶▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to JohnB, #1230 of 1646 🔗

The slap was a dream, the recovery position was less than perfect, but hey, I can do both to the gold standard when it matters…..

Masks are an assault on people…..

203630 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Winston Smith, #1231 of 1646 🔗

Slap was a cheap shot against someone with his hands in his pockets.

Masks are indeed an assault on people, but that doesn’t mean we should become the bad guys.

203438 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1232 of 1646 🔗

“Stay safe”!!! Just FUCK OFF!

203458 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1233 of 1646 🔗

See my email to Tesco on yesterday comments – same things apply. F off and mind your own business basically.

203499 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to CGL, 2, #1234 of 1646 🔗

I emsiled thrm to thst effect. Nasty little weevils.I use C and C and never go inside a store. I don’t think I ever will again. It was never a pleasant experience. Now it’s muzzle hell.

203538 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1235 of 1646 🔗

they may be saying that in emails and have the set up in the stores that the regs require but i was in Aldi this morning and it was as laid back as usual. Certainly my store are only paying lip service to the guidelines .

203416 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #1236 of 1646 🔗

Piers Corbyn”s trial postponed due to prosecution to disclosing stuff. ell done, Piers. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-54663466

203523 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #1237 of 1646 🔗

‘late disclosure of police logbooks’

I suppose it does take time making sure they all say the same thing. 🙂

203823 ▶▶▶ Steve, replying to JohnB, #1238 of 1646 🔗

No it’s making sure they all say things slightly differently but basically the same that takes the time.

203433 T. Prince, 3, #1239 of 1646 🔗
203452 Quernus, replying to Quernus, 7, #1240 of 1646 🔗

I’ve just seen this!!! Hope it’s real and not just wishful thinking…

203464 ▶▶ Crazy Times, replying to Quernus, 10, #1241 of 1646 🔗

If only… it’s definitely not real. The typefaces and layout are nothing like what the Mail uses on the front page. I really do wish they would run this story though. It would certainly be a turning point in this mess.

203484 ▶▶▶ Quernus, replying to Crazy Times, 1, #1242 of 1646 🔗

I allowed the hope to carry me away there 🙄 and yes, we can but hope…one day, perhaps…

203529 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Crazy Times, #1243 of 1646 🔗

And it’s the CSA not CMO.

203491 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Quernus, 2, #1244 of 1646 🔗

It is true although it may not be a real headline

203526 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Quernus, 2, #1245 of 1646 🔗

just checked mail on line and thats not a headline … but encouraging to see most of the headlines are critical

203535 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Quernus, 1, #1246 of 1646 🔗

Something he said in the Delingpole podcast could be construed to say that but it would be some serious spin. I agreed with every word of course 🙂

203453 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 23, #1247 of 1646 🔗

Spotted some rebel tips on fb:

Get yourself a £10 dumb phone for the purpose. I love watching their faces when I to scan the QR code with it. Always put my name down on the paper record as Dianne Abbot. As a white man this raises eye brows if they question me I say that I identify as a black woman accuse them of hate crime.

203631 ▶▶ court, replying to Cheezilla, #1248 of 1646 🔗

I’ve just got a Nokia 215 4G from O2 for £15 delivered. Arrived this morning and found it’s unlocked to all networks plus dual SIM capable https://www.o2.co.uk/shop/nokia/215-4g

203455 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 4, #1249 of 1646 🔗

PCR false positives – just playing devil’s advocate for a moment: when there were virtually no positive tests reported in Scotland and N. Ireland, and now in NZ and Aus, what became, or has become, of the expected false positives? Were they, or are they, doing confirmatory tests when a positive comes up?

203505 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to Tenchy, -9, #1250 of 1646 🔗

Well done. Slowly but surely sceptics are waking up to the fact that the False Positives are not massively inflating the case numbers.

To the countries you mentioned you can add the ONS survey which during the summer was only detecting 0.03% to 0.04%. If the FP rate was, say, 0.8% it should have detected 0.8% of positive cases on average.

203519 ▶▶▶ Eamon, replying to Mayo, 1, #1251 of 1646 🔗

Most people think ONS testing is more reliable. The concern is the testing of asymptomatic and the number of tests have hugely increased plus the test and trace labs are not operating to the normal standards.
Young people also seem to want to get tested constantly..it may sound weird but it’s true. In my extended family the young adults are driving everyone mad by testing for the most dubious reasons. My sisters and brothers are thinking of kicking them out.
Then the government has increased the positive test rate by allowing people to appear weekly..that will be all hospital and care workers.

203594 ▶▶▶ mrjoeaverage, replying to Mayo, #1252 of 1646 🔗

Well Mayo, let’s see what happens to Australia and NZ case numbers, if, and when, they decide to open up a few normal travel corridors. I think you will find the same thing will happen then.

203601 ▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Mayo, #1253 of 1646 🔗

Sorry 🙁 First time I’ve downvoted a post.

I did it because everyone else did.

(EDIT: I’ve only just read what you said, and I think that you are 357% uncorrect)

203613 ▶▶▶ Draper233, replying to Mayo, 2, #1254 of 1646 🔗

You’re doing exactly what lockdown zealots do which is cherry pick data.

So, let’s take an opposite example.

The Mein Schiff 6 cruise ship recently had 150 tests of their crew members returned, 12 of which were positive.

After 3 – yes, 3 – further tests, they were all proven to be false positives.

So in this limited example it could be argued that the FPR for Covid tests is a whopping 8% (12 from 150, all false).

Now nobody here, as far as I know, is claiming this. But if you believe the FPR rate is 0.03-0.04%, please explain how this could have happened.

203753 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Mayo, #1255 of 1646 🔗

But not very well done by you, is it? You are not waking up, are you?

If overall all cause mortality is plumb normal in NZ, very little covid 19, and overall all cause mortality in Britain is plumb normal for the time of year, with loads of covid 19 (apparently!), what precisely is the health problem that either country is addressing by (quite possibly illegal) restrictions on personal liberty?

Could it, for instance, be just like on of these?


203528 ▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1256 of 1646 🔗

In South Korea asymptomatic positives were usually retested. If negative, the negative stood. (DS was there). No idea on NZ.

203698 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1257 of 1646 🔗

Excellent question.

Let’s see how they answered that question recently in New Zealand:

‘The viral test for COVID-19 is accurate when taken in ideal conditions. A recent laboratory study found that different COVID-19 testing kits correctly detected COVID-19 in samples more than 95% (and frequently 100%) of the time. When tests were done on samples without the virus, the tests correctly gave a negative result 96% of the time.’


And the study referenced gives an array of different test cycle thresholds mostly around 35 cycles


By the way, compare and contrast the simplicity, clarity, brevity of the first reference with documents from our own health authorities!

It is not possible to compare the likelihood of false positives in one country with that of another country because, as the second reference above clearly shows, there are a multitude of different tests and cycle thresholds.

Nevertheless, let’s assume that NZ uses a PCR test cycle threshold of 35 (probably, judging by the sensible tone of their document, they in fact use a cycle threshold of 30, almost certainly like Sweden) maximum probable from the second reference, cited in the NZ Health Ministry document.

What cycle threshold do our own health authorities recommend in their standard operating procedures?

Errrrrr…….that would be 40.

Reference: ‘Guidance and standard operating procedure COVID-19 virus testing in NHS laboratories’

No doubt there is an unusually gifted legend of a person on here who could tell us what difference that increased cycle threshold might make to the likely false positive rate?

CEBM makes this clear

‘The figure below reported in Bullard shows how the probability of SARS-CoV-2 infectious virus is greater (the red bars) when the cycle threshold is lower (the blue line)’

CEBM Ref.: ‘Are you infectious if you have a positive PCR test result for COVID-19?’

203457 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 5, #1258 of 1646 🔗

The WHO is meeting in Berlin this weekend and there is a demo on Sunday, 25th.
Wonder if Spahn (German wancock) will be there, as he tested positive a few days ago.

203468 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Silke David, 6, #1259 of 1646 🔗

Flying from all over the world no doubt. How very considerate of them. Let’s hope the German people can send them a message.

203586 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Richard O, 2, #1260 of 1646 🔗

Apparently climate change activists and scientists are the most sector using air travel.

203459 Dr Peter, #1261 of 1646 🔗

Try the BMJ or PLoS Medicine, they’re less susceptible to Big Pharma pressure.

203467 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #1262 of 1646 🔗

How about this?!

My daughter is in Year 7 at secondary school and her head of year has been going around checking the content of the kids’ phones. They’ve been told that if anyone, who hasn’t had their phone checked, doesn’t have their phone with them tomorrow, they’ll get an hour and a half’s detention.
My daughter and a couple of her friends seem to think it’s to see if kids have TikTok / Whatsapp – due to being underage for those apps, but it seems like a lot of effort just for that.

203469 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1263 of 1646 🔗

Might it be to check they have downloaded the NHS app?

203494 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Carrie, 2, #1264 of 1646 🔗

I think the app is only for 16+. Either way it all sounds bizarre and illegal.

203470 ▶▶ earthkiss, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #1265 of 1646 🔗

Withhold your daughters phone and pick her up at closing time.

203473 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1266 of 1646 🔗

Tell the school that you are the parent and not them?

203474 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1267 of 1646 🔗

Nice to see that North Korea is now connected to the Internet.

Thanks for your comment. Brave of you.

203476 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Cheezilla, 10, #1268 of 1646 🔗

Suggest some/all parents insist that the phone inspection is carried out in the presence of parents. This could be a safeguarding issue and needs to have person responsible for compliance at the school notified asap.

203477 ▶▶ earthkiss, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1269 of 1646 🔗

Head Prison Officer: “I’ve had a tipoff that our secret meeting regarding this covid bullshit was recorded by one of the pupils”

203482 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #1270 of 1646 🔗

Sorry, I should have pointed out that it’s a post on Save Our Rights. Not my daughter!
The mum has been advised that it’s completely illegal.

203496 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #1271 of 1646 🔗

Cheez see my point – I think it is a safeguarding issue that needs to be reported

203524 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #1272 of 1646 🔗

Thanks. I’ve passed that on.

203518 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #1273 of 1646 🔗

Parents should not let their children have smart phones. End of.

Do people really never think about the big things that brought us to this place ?

203475 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 3, #1274 of 1646 🔗

Did I hear that they are allowing gyms to open in Liverpool? Is this correct?

If so what has happened to that chap in Liverpool why refused to close his gym?

Wasn’t he fined?

If gyms have since been allowed to open what’s happened to his fine if he was fined?

203504 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Crazy Times, 2, #1276 of 1646 🔗

Fantastic. How about the other sectors? Is there anyone else challenging this?

203516 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Rosie, 3, #1277 of 1646 🔗

It’s fantastic news, I agree. I had hoped the rebellion would spread to other sectors, but it doesn’t seem to have happened, at least not yet. The Scottish publicans are sueing the government over closure, however, which is at least something.

203562 ▶▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Cranmer, #1278 of 1646 🔗

Hopefully the story has spread enough that the others will follow soon

203515 ▶▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to Crazy Times, 4, #1279 of 1646 🔗

I passed a gym on the way to work very early this morning and saw a group of very eager young people going in. For keeping people sane I can now see how invaluable they are.

203520 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Crazy Times, 2, #1280 of 1646 🔗

That’s fantastic news!
Lets hope more business owners now grow some cajones and follow his example.

203574 ▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Crazy Times, #1281 of 1646 🔗

Thank you – but I can’t open anything from twitter.com.

So I take it he is now free to operate. Because all gyms are now allowed to?

But were he fined? And if he were has that been squashed.

Sorry to be pedantic.

If all gyms are now allowed to function he has won a major victory. Others should be inspired by what he’s done.

203585 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Ned of the Hills, #1282 of 1646 🔗

He wants to give the money raised to local mental health charities.
Not sure if the fine is still pending, i guess he won’t pay and it would go to court?

203590 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Silke David, #1283 of 1646 🔗

It is a pity he can’t be awarded the dosh because he has undergone a lot of stress – but he has to do what he he is doing. He has to be admired. He has done more to oppose repression than any MP has done.

203479 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 8, #1284 of 1646 🔗

Well we wondered what the next trick they’d have up their sleeve:


Is it me, or does this defy all logic?

Meanwhile data reveals hospitalised Covid-19 patients are dying quicker than they were the first time around – take a week on average, rather than two. This may be because treatment has improved, and therefore doctors can save the lives of those who are not as sick and would usually take longer to die, pushing up the average time.

203485 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Cheezilla, 10, #1285 of 1646 🔗

No, it’s not you – both me and Mr TT read it and said exactly the same. They are now getting so desperate they are calling black white and vice versa.

203488 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1286 of 1646 🔗

It does make sense to me! But I think we are now quite rightly conditioned to regard every claim with utmost suspicion.

203509 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #1287 of 1646 🔗

Sorry but you’ll have to explain how it makes sense.
Treatments have improved so patients are dying quicker??

203522 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #1288 of 1646 🔗

People aren’t dying in the same numbers. The argument would be that those who are already desperately poorly at point of admission to ICU (probably with multiple problems) will continue to fade very quickly regardless of treatment. It continues to be too late for some But those who are in slightly better nick can benefit from treatment and recover, rather than their immune system gradually losing the fight over time without effective support. They are also putting fewer people on ventilators which may have artificially kept them going before, but perversely have been the thing that finished them off

I’m not saying it’s true. Just plausible.

203558 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #1289 of 1646 🔗

It’s what you might call a “statistical anomaly”.

203492 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1290 of 1646 🔗

All BS, except the London immunity bit, which I’ve been calling for ages, as anyone who reads my posts knows. 😉

203568 ▶▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1291 of 1646 🔗

Yep. That London has seen nothing resembling a second wave, despite Citizen Khan doing all he can to mandate one, can only be because immunity has been reached there.

203508 ▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1292 of 1646 🔗

The numbers of patients below 70 dying are so few in number, total sample about 30, for any meaningful comparison on that count. Infections look to be falling almost everywhere.

203510 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Cheezilla, 9, #1293 of 1646 🔗

If people are dying within 1 week instead of two, this sounds like an exponential in crease in deaths to me. Maybe we only need to lockdown for one week instead of two now.

Let’s call this “rate of increase in time of death” the D-rate.

If people are dying twice as quickly now than when they were a week ago, this must mean the D rate is doubling every week.

In about 7 weeks, people will be dying within about 357 seconds of getting a positive test result.


Remember kids, freedoms kill!

203517 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1294 of 1646 🔗

Perhaps explained by the move away from overuse of ventilation – keeping people alive for several weeks who were always going to die.

203530 ▶▶ Crazy Times, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1295 of 1646 🔗

They’ve got this now as well to forever inflate their numbers to their hearts desire – https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54646451

You literally couldn’t make this “shit” up.

203549 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Crazy Times, #1296 of 1646 🔗

Yes. UK Column had a field day with that in today’s broadcast.

203570 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Crazy Times, 1, #1297 of 1646 🔗

This: “For the moment, the testing will be done at water treatment works, but the hope is that sewage tests might become even more localised over time – perhaps down to individual postcodes.”

So there’ll be some twat at the end of your road sticking a bottle on a string down a manhole to get a load of your shit. They really have no idea have they? Think about it – at postcode level. A sample from your average postcode, say 12 properties, may well just come from a single property. Stroll on!

203556 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #1298 of 1646 🔗

So London has herd immunity – but only 13% have antibodies – but, but, but herd immunity isn’t possible under any circumstances and requires at least 80% to be infected – at this point SAGE undergoes a collective brain explosion because HOW CAN THIS BE POSSIBLE??

But cases are falling in the North because of lockdown. Not because of herd immunity. Because herd immunity isn’t a real thing. Apart from in London. Which we’ve locked down anyway just in case, because herd immunity can’t happen.

All joking aside this seems like a positive development, govt scientists finally noticing that London isn’t piled with corpses and actually coming up with the most likely explanation.

203512 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 5, #1299 of 1646 🔗

“People will likely need to wear masks and follow social distancing guidelines through the end of 2021 and into 2022, one of the nation’s top infectious disease experts said during a recent meeting.” “We shouldn’t be lulled into complacency that this is only an old person disease,” Fauci said.

203514 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to swedenborg, 8, #1300 of 1646 🔗

I said earlier today I was watching out for the first can-kicking into 2022. Looks like I’ve found it.

203566 ▶▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1301 of 1646 🔗

The government’s vaccine tsarina or whatever she is styled dropped the 2022 bomb last week.

203521 ▶▶ DRW, replying to swedenborg, 10, #1302 of 1646 🔗

Oh fuck off Falsei, not even zealots are listening anymore.

203541 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1303 of 1646 🔗

Flu affects more young people and he knows it

203553 ▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to swedenborg, 2, #1304 of 1646 🔗

Just watched Trump’s speech in the village’s Florida and that’s not what he’s saying

203554 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to swedenborg, #1305 of 1646 🔗

Too many “likely”s in that report. They don’t know how to speak, or write, properly.

203580 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to swedenborg, 3, #1306 of 1646 🔗

He meant to say forever, but then realised that even this might be too much to admit at this stage.

I hope this prick lives long enough to serve many years behind bars.

203546 Suitejb, 13, #1307 of 1646 🔗

Just watched ‘Gogglebox Stand Up To Cancer’ containing personal, harrowing stories and asking asking for public donations to fight cancer. Same on ‘The Last Leg’.

Is this the same country where the Government is throwing millions and millions of pounds at random projects to fight a low level virus? Why can’t they do the same to help find treatment for cancer and all the other horrible illnesses and diseases that affect thousands of people in this country everyday?

‘If we can save just one life’. Right, which one exactly!

I really have no idea what is happening anymore so I’m going to get another whisky!

203559 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 9, #1308 of 1646 🔗

Let the jury consider their verdict,” the King said, for about the twentieth time that day. “No, no!” said the Queen. “Sentence first—verdict afterwards
It does seem that with this virus hoo-haa that so often the lessons of folk tales and children’s stories have been very apposite to the ensuing madness. Currently we have clear evidence from today’s ONS report that Covid has settled down to be a notable but not major cause of deaths.

As a respiratory disease Covid is seeing a normal autumn rise in hospital cases but with a budget of £129 billion and 1.3 million staff the NHS should be able to cope. And yet we are locking down great swathes of the country- Curiouser and curiouser!” Cried Alice. This virus is everywhere; in the sewers, in the people and probably blowing in the wind but failing to learn the lesson taught by King Canute we arrogantly and foolishly try to hold back the tide.

As lock-down sceptics we are like the little boy who declared that the King was naked, if we are right and I believe we are, then eventually the scales will fall from people’s eyes. Albeit that so many have so much invested in this gross tomfoolery that it is going to take some time but if we hang on then like the spider in Robert Bruce’s cave if we keep trying we’ll spin the web.

203564 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #1309 of 1646 🔗

“Currently we have clear evidence from today’s ONS report that Covid has settled down to be a notable but not major cause of deaths.”

I don’t accept that covid is causing any deaths in the UK now.

Where’s the evidence?

I reiterate – just because somebody ‘tested positive’ in the 28 days before they died does not mean they had something called covid.


No excess mortality now.

203571 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to calchas, 5, #1310 of 1646 🔗

“I reiterate – just because somebody ‘tested positive’ in the 28 days before they died does not mean they had something called covid.”

Adding – even if the test was a true positive, where’s the ecidence that that has caused a disease that caused death.

These covid deaths are likely all admitted for another reason, test positice and die. Hey presto died of covid.

Simple as that.

203569 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #1311 of 1646 🔗

Humpty Dumpy came along and said “A word means whatever I want it to mean. A case is an infection without symptoms. A mask protects even as it accumulates pathogens. A projection is a prediction until I say it isn’t. The virus is deadly even if it kills only one person out of 65 million. “

203561 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 1, #1312 of 1646 🔗

Biden wins, Covid crisis over. MSM reporters begin removing their masks. Biden the Victor and virus vanquisher! Hailed by the leftist media. Europe quickly follows suit.

203576 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to OKUK, 3, #1313 of 1646 🔗

Not gonna happen

203582 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Tom Blackburn, #1314 of 1646 🔗

I hope not. But I think part of the problem is that in the USA lockdown lunacy and mask madness has been harnessed by Democrats to weaken Trump – and they have considerable success.

203588 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to OKUK, 7, #1315 of 1646 🔗

Biden wins, masks mandatory forever, everywhere. Vaccine mandatory for all. The end.

203607 ▶▶▶ Crazy Times, replying to Richard O, 3, #1316 of 1646 🔗

Biden wins, the rest of the world becomes communist China / a NWO totalitarian state overnight. Thankfully he stands no chance, but there is going to be a lot of chaos post election, mark my words.

203612 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Crazy Times, 2, #1317 of 1646 🔗

My prediction is that it will end up in the Supreme Court as in 2000.

The Demoncunts will not concede to Trump (and I am no fan of Trump either).

203565 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 12, #1318 of 1646 🔗

Czechia.Maskmandate in the country and C-19 cases.Incredible.How any can believe that they work?

203577 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to swedenborg, 15, #1319 of 1646 🔗

But if they hadn’t worn masks the curve would have been so steep it would have started to bend backwards…

203787 ▶▶ Simon Cook, replying to swedenborg, #1320 of 1646 🔗

Hi Swedenborg

A good friend of mine is Czech, living in Prague and told me this story had just broken there (quite a big scandal that reminded me of Ferguson).


Best regards


203581 calchas, replying to calchas, 7, #1321 of 1646 🔗

Good piece at off-guardian:



“This abusive objectification and alienation are what totalitarians and cult leaders want to achieve and impose on their followers. Initiation rituals like mask wearing (especially when getting married) and social distancing, attack a person with terror, pain, humiliation and subjugation. Of course, anyone who has been in an abusive relationship will tell you that pointless rituals or behaviours are demanded by the abusive and sadistic abusive partner to wear the other person down.

As is so often found in cults and individuals in abusive relationships, the cult members or abused partner will even go to great lengths to defend the cult leader’s demands or the person who abuses them.”

203696 ▶▶ annie, replying to calchas, 1, #1322 of 1646 🔗

Not just a cult but a sadistic cult. Yes indeed.

203583 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 7, #1323 of 1646 🔗

I thought teachers were supposed to be intelligent. The Telegraph (paywall):


Some extracts:

School children are being denied access to water and toilet facilities, made to sit in cold classrooms and eat lunch standing outside, ministers have been told.

The “basic welfare” of pupils is being overlooked by “overzealous” teachers who are taking measures which they believe will mitigate the risk of virus transmission, according to the parent campaign group Us For Them.
. . .
In a letter to the Education Secretary, schools minister and children’s minister, the group reported: “Some of the cases we are seeing are extreme and many involve alarming issues of child welfare and safeguarding.
. . .
Some parents reported that pupils were only given set time slots to use the toilets and are not allowed to go outside of these times, while others reported that children were told to always eat their lunch outdoors regardless of the weather.
. . .
Earlier this week, the Children’s Commissioner warned that overcautious teachers are sending entire year groups of pupils home unnecessarily, as she said that youngsters should “not be sacrificed on the altar of Covid”. Just one pupil testing positive for coronavirus can send an entire school into “chaos” with a whole year group sent home for a fortnight, Anne Longfield said.

203596 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Tenchy, 10, #1324 of 1646 🔗

The clock is ticking. Every day these poor children are subjected to this cruel and unusual punishment is a day of their development not only squandered, but immolated. Every day they will be creeping closer to being completely fucked up adults.

203775 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1325 of 1646 🔗

I put something up weeks ago when our school turned the drinking water taps off. The kids have now not had free access to fresh clean water for over 6 weeks.
Again- where are our lawyers??

(Wendyk – don’t panic!!!! 🙂 )

203587 Hieronimusb, replying to Hieronimusb, 19, #1326 of 1646 🔗

The Mike Yeadon interview is a masterpiece; the most methodically robust, scientifically informed and cogent, demolition of the Government (and their advisors) position to date. He should, by special dispensation if necessary, be granted permission to ride his classic Japanese 2 stroke (think Torrey Canyon) for the rest of his life. Personally, I prefer older and British 4 strokes and have put a lot of miles recently on a 1929 P&M Panther, but let us not quibble. Also a great contribution from (Professor) John Lee on Irish television, thanks to Ivor Cummins, and of course many others. More honest medical practitioners and scientists must surely be emboldened to denounce this wickedness. A volte-face is what we need – they (Govt etc) are, after all, that cartoon character that has run over the cliff but whose frantic leg movements continue until gravity takes over – but a ragged withdrawal with much politicking is more likely to be the eventual outcome. Maybe I’m being optimistic, for a change, but it is immensely reassuring to hear these voices of sanity and reason. The dam is beginning to crack,a large number of reputations thoroughly deserve to be utterly destroyed.

203589 ▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to Hieronimusb, 7, #1327 of 1646 🔗
203609 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Now More Than Ever, 3, #1328 of 1646 🔗

Not sure about the ‘wearing of masks’ accolade, no doubt a nod to their more credulous readers, but certainly another breath of fresh air.

203614 ▶▶▶ Crazy Times, replying to Now More Than Ever, 10, #1329 of 1646 🔗

Just read the top comments. The unbrigaded top comments have been like this for weeks on the DM. We know it’s over. The government know it’s over. We know that the government knows that it’s over. The government knows that we know that they know that it’s over. Yet, still, here we all are.

203617 ▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Crazy Times, 4, #1330 of 1646 🔗

Is the fat lady warming up? Perhaps, at least, the scales are falling away from people’s eyes.

203635 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Hieronimusb, 2, #1331 of 1646 🔗

They can manufacture millions of “cases” and lie about pressure on ICUs but there’s a limit to what they can do with deaths, not least because certification is a serious business, and people who sign off are legally liable to be honest. In the absence of excess respiratory disease deaths for the season, their room for manoeuvre is v limited. We could be approaching the end game.

203694 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Crazy Times, 2, #1332 of 1646 🔗

Yes, but it reminds me if those cartoons when the villain runs over a cliff, doesn’t notice, carries on for a while and then CRASH.

203624 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Now More Than Ever, #1333 of 1646 🔗

Comments are interesting.Some people have really bought the government propaganda as they are regurgitating it

203591 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Hieronimusb, 13, #1334 of 1646 🔗

… it is immensely reassuring to hear these voices of sanity and reason.

Indeed! I was also very impressed by James Delingpole; how refreshing to hear an interviewer ask a question and let his guest talk without a single interuption. Well done, James.

203593 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Hieronimusb, 6, #1335 of 1646 🔗

Couldn’t agree more. Both pieces were decisive victories for logic and rationality over hysteria and fear. I feel the ebb of tide is in our favour when it comes to popular opinion. The authorities are helping our case no end.

203615 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to leggy, 9, #1336 of 1646 🔗

They seem to have forgotten the old chestnut about when you’re in a hole stop digging, and hubris begets nemesis eventually. What an indescribable and fiendishly self-inflicted mess. And that’s leaving malice out of the analysis altogether.

203619 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Hieronimusb, 2, #1337 of 1646 🔗

Hubris is impatient and greedy, and always fails. Nemesis is patient and frugal, and never fails.

203695 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Richard O, #1338 of 1646 🔗

Classic tragedy! But was there ever a tragedy involving such shrivelled little souls?

203600 Ceriain, 5, #1339 of 1646 🔗
203602 Now More Than Ever, replying to Now More Than Ever, 3, #1340 of 1646 🔗
203604 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Now More Than Ever, 3, #1341 of 1646 🔗

They did though

203610 Caramel, 2, #1342 of 1646 🔗

Something that I hadn’t connected. About that terrible Hammer and Dance article.


203616 Winston Smith, replying to Winston Smith, 9, #1343 of 1646 🔗

Mask wearers need re-education

203620 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Winston Smith, 11, #1344 of 1646 🔗

I’m perfectly happy for them to bemuzzle themselves for the rest of their miserable lives. Just don’t expect or mandate me to follow suit. That’s all I ask.

203625 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Winston Smith, 15, #1345 of 1646 🔗

“Must ask –
Why are you wearing that mask.”
“I wear it to protect you.”
“How odd! I never asked you to.”
“That’s as maybe but, you see,
You should wear one to protect me.”
“That must be one of your quips –
A filthy face rag on my lips?
I’d rather my face was seen
And I died of Covid 19.”

203692 ▶▶ annie, replying to Winston Smith, 1, #1346 of 1646 🔗

No brains to educate. Need purging.

203621 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 9, #1347 of 1646 🔗

If this hasn’t been posted already, Rishi & Co. have been barred for life from his local pub/restaurant.


203719 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to AnotherSceptic, 2, #1348 of 1646 🔗

Has mine host offered to supply 🍎 meals/packed lunches 🍛 to needy kids at half term as many places around here have according to Local Live 😇 (all of whom received publicity worth more than what they might be providing).

203628 Jakehadlee, replying to Jakehadlee, 12, #1349 of 1646 🔗

I would have thought the logical thing to do in Wales if the supermarket isn’t going to sell you non-essentials is to simply steal them. If you’ve got a mask on you’re half way there anyway and you don’t have to worry about CCTV.

Do your bit and shoplift

203642 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Jakehadlee, 7, #1350 of 1646 🔗

In France, they had the Storming of the Bastille. The British Revolution can begin with the Storming of the Fruit Pastilles. I’m in.

203754 ▶▶▶ Emily Tock, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #1351 of 1646 🔗

Nation of shopkeepers. I’m not sure Napoleon ever actually said that, but …

203629 Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 9, #1352 of 1646 🔗

Churches threaten legal action over fire-break lockdownChristian leaders have urged the Welsh Government to not close churches during the firebreak lockdown.
They have written to First Minister Mark Drakeford asking him to review the measures that will ban churches from hosting services with a congregation for three consecutive Sundays.
The letter, which threatens to seek a judicial review, says the closure of churches is an “extreme interference” in freedom of thought, conscience and religion under Article 9 of the Human Rights Act.
Pete Greasley, senior pastor at Christchurch in Newport, said: “We are particularly concerned that this decision by the Welsh Assembly does not recognise how vital spiritual well-being is to a community.
“Through this letter we are urgently appealing to those in authority to reconsider the closure of churches and to recognise the crucial role churches play in the community across Wales and the rest of the UK.”

203639 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Mr Dee, 7, #1353 of 1646 🔗

We are particularly concerned that this decision by the Welsh Assembly does not recognise how vital spiritual well-being is to a community.

That you are referring to a decision by a political body shows that you are not spiritual. By order of the state, you closed your churches for months on end, then when you reopened you forced your congregation to wear Satanic muzzles. Fuck you.

203690 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Richard O, 6, #1354 of 1646 🔗

I agree. Our church reopened as a centre of Covid devil-worship and I shall never enter it again.
But even the tiniest flicker of courage from our miserable clergy is to be welcomed, even if they are trying to open the door after the horse has trashed the stable.

203708 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to annie, 3, #1355 of 1646 🔗


Does that mean you’ve stopped going to your church? Perhaps that the others wearing masks was finally too much for you? That’s quite a step, if so.

203742 ▶▶▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to annie, 2, #1356 of 1646 🔗

I’m not a regular Annie, but the last time I went was so soul destroying I don’t think I can attend again for a long time.

203774 ▶▶▶ dpj, replying to Richard O, 2, #1357 of 1646 🔗

I’ve still not been back to my church since it reopened and I’m not sure if I ever will be to be honest. Ignoring all the masks and hand sanitizer nonsense the thing that really gets me is they have accepted a ban on the congregation reciting the Lord’s Prayer as it’s too dangerous. I’d like to think that my faith was strong enough that I can safely say a prayer containing the phrase ‘deliver us from evil’ but to most people now that is ‘evil that’s not covid as it’s too powerful’.
If the so called ‘conspiracy theorists’ are right and in future you need a ‘covid pass’ to be allowed to attend church and this is not challenged I will be resigning from my church within minutes of announcement as this goes against everything I believe in ‘unclean people not welcome here’

203796 ▶▶▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to dpj, #1358 of 1646 🔗

I’ve always loved Christmas and singing carols. It should be a joyous time but sadly even here I think services will be miserable.

203801 ▶▶▶▶▶ dpj, replying to Girl down Under, #1359 of 1646 🔗

We have an annual carols by candlelight service in mid December normally and it’s one of highlights of the year and busiest service we host. There is no chance of it happening this year, the choir and musicians alone would take us over allowed capacity. Another big event we have is a BBQ in May that normally raises over £1k for Christian Aid and that never happened either, usually about 100 in attendance.

203666 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Mr Dee, 2, #1360 of 1646 🔗

Shame they didn’t do that first time round.
The sight of armed police storming churches, temples and mosques would have been interesting.

203736 ▶▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to karenovirus, #1361 of 1646 🔗

I think there were a couple of cases in the US where parishioners were dragged out because they didn’t have masks on.

203632 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 8, #1362 of 1646 🔗

Delingpod interview with Yeadon – well Yeadon disquisition – is v good. Glad to see my amateur guesstimate of the non-susceptible percentage in the UK from an earlier thread pretty much matched his!

He seems to be right about herd immunity in London, for sure.

Why is he being censored by BBC, Sky and ITV?

203638 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to OKUK, 6, #1363 of 1646 🔗

Why is he being censored by BBC, Sky and ITV?

Not saying the right stuff at the moment .

You can bet your bottom dollar, though, that, when the fraud is exposed, they’ll be all over him like a rash. Today programme: “So, Mike, you said all along they were lying. When did you first realise this?”

Re. your guesstimate: yes, not bad at all. I’m glad he agreed with me too about herd immunity in London. 🙂

203633 Mark, replying to Mark, 8, #1364 of 1646 🔗

Encouraging stuff:

Proof UK is sick of lockdown: Focus group reveals voters are despairing of Boris Johnson’s coronavirus policies and are prepared to break the rules to visit loved ones

  • Since the start of the pandemic, most polls have suggested that voters support Covid lockdown measures
  • But, according to focus groups, it would appear voters have lost faith in lockdowns and will not obey rules
  • The groups also revealed people are becoming increasingly worried about damage to jobs and the economy

Dramatic evidence of a growing revolt against the coronavirus lockdowns emerged last night.

The public think the rules won’t work, they will break the law if necessary to see their loved ones and believe it is time to ‘get Britain back to normal’.

These are among the key findings from focus groups that suggest traditional opinion polls have failed to spot a decisive change in attitudes toward the pandemic.

One leading pollster believes Britain could be witnessing a repeat of what happened in the 2015 election and the EU referendum . ”

Let’s hope so, but I see the reporter managed to sneak this turd in under cover of all the good news:

And there is evidence the virus has lost up to 90 per cent of its lethal potency owing to mass wearing of masks.
That, together with more effective drugs, has reduced the fatality rate in hospital intensive care units . “

203634 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Mark, 17, #1365 of 1646 🔗

I suspect that the masks entry was an editorial amendment. It sits very uncomfortably with the rest of the piece, and is not written by the same author. And it is a ludicrous, puerile statement. The “lethal potency” of a virus cannot in any way be altered by the wearing of masks. 90% is straight out of Ferguson’s fucking retarded abacus. In time, paying lip service to the cult in this manner will fade.

203662 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Richard O, 4, #1366 of 1646 🔗

(This should have been reply to Mark)

Very early today Mr Dee said he would like to visit Russia.
I replied rather late that I had been there when it was still Soviet.
People still had to pretend to go along with all sorts of silly rituals to please the regime but were quite happy to tell westerners it was all nonsense.

Sadly they had done so for some decades.

203636 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Mark, 4, #1367 of 1646 🔗

That is one humongous and smelly turd! But great news at its core.

203687 ▶▶ annie, replying to Mark, 3, #1368 of 1646 🔗

Yes, that cretinous sentence leapt out at me as well.

203717 ▶▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to annie, 5, #1369 of 1646 🔗

And in Daniel Andrew’s Victoria where mask wearing is mandatory outside at all times unless you are running, (from the police) more than 700 deaths and no one is questioning that mask wearing may have contributed? A friend visited a relative in a nursing home yesterday (Sydney) and was told to take her mask off because they ‘spread germs’. I want to take the director a bunch of flowers. What a star!

203637 It just stands to reason that masks help. If they, -5, #1370 of 1646 🔗

It just stands to reason that masks help. If they didn’t all of our Frontline workers doctors nurses etc. would die

203640 DJ Dod, replying to DJ Dod, 10, #1371 of 1646 🔗

Here’s an interesting quote from one of the authors of the Danish mask study, discussing their difficulty in getting it published:

“Can one interpret a controversial research result in the sense that no significant effect of mask use is demonstrated in your study?” Torp-Pedersen was asked.

“I think that’s a very relevant question you are asking,” he responded.


203641 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to DJ Dod, 9, #1372 of 1646 🔗

The study has not yet been published, yet even the url contains “controversial”.

My fear for months was that this study would be a nail in our coffin. That it is being buried before publication is music to my ears.

203661 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Richard O, 4, #1373 of 1646 🔗

Yes that very refusal confirms what we know about the uselessness of masks.
Did the study look at the negative effects ?

203772 ▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to DJ Dod, 3, #1374 of 1646 🔗

Being a complete cynic you have got to wonder whether these journals are being ‘coy’ about publishing these findings because the US election is so close. Heaven forbid if mask wearing was to be found so useless or detrimental to one’s own health it could undermine Joe Biden’s black face mask wearing bid for presidency.

203805 ▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to DJ Dod, 3, #1375 of 1646 🔗

I strongly suspect it shows masks are more dangerous. That’s why it’s “controversial”

203643 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 8, #1376 of 1646 🔗

I had to come here – I just spent half an hour getting lost in a Twitter scroll that led deep into Corona’s Witnesses country. Everyone had huge, shaggy beards and had a weird light in their eyes. They drove around in carts and periodically one of them would stand up and start ranting aggressively about the value of a single life and the importance of shutting all life down indefinitely to protect life. There was even a “wild camper” extolling the virtues of eating outside at socially distanced cafes in winter, and sneering at people “who love central heating too much”.

The “state shall provide” wing of what passes for British “thought” has gone completely and utterly insane.

203644 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #1377 of 1646 🔗

I have not shaved since lockdown commenced, nor will I until it is lifted. So I have a large beard, but there the similarities end.

Soon these people will be handing their children over to men with guns, and will be smiling, chanting and clapping as they do so.

203646 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Richard O, 4, #1378 of 1646 🔗

Yep. And cursing and casting out anyone who questions it. A seam of mania has been uncovered in the psyche and I fear it runs very deep.

203647 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #1379 of 1646 🔗

It was always there. 2020 has merely revealed it in all its ugliness.

203660 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Richard O, 4, #1380 of 1646 🔗

I had breakfast in Spoons yesterday, the pleasant waitress replied ‘fine’ when I said “exempt” yet when she was approached by a sleight young hippy woman she barked at her
“You have to wear a mask”
The woman claimed exemption
“Show me your card”

Strange, she didn’t ask for my card but then I’m 6’1 and wear DMs.

203659 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #1381 of 1646 🔗

Must be something about Twitter, every single person I spoke to yesterday was sceptic at various levels, some vehemently.
I encountered three maskless persons in mask mandated places non of them hiding behind an exempt card or offering excuse

203645 Eddie, replying to Eddie, 9, #1382 of 1646 🔗

Earlier today an old BMW Z4 drove by going in the opposite direction. Of course, to my dismay the eccentric, older female driver had covered the front in huge blue mask (the eyelashes over the headlights were definitely pre-virus). Any other time in human history and I would have laughed but once again my head shook and my eyes rolled. I used to be able to laugh at the maskers when they were like 20 – 30% tops out there in public. Gawd I yearn for June to return!

203648 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Eddie, 7, #1383 of 1646 🔗

In the nicest possible way, I hope she crashes into a wall. The resultant photo of the masked “face” smashed in would be a perfect symbolic image for the times

203658 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Eddie, 3, #1384 of 1646 🔗

Possibly she was taking the piss ?

203649 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 25, #1385 of 1646 🔗

I just looked back at an email I wrote to a friend in March. I didn’t really get a reply, and I got the distinct impression that I had overstepped the mark in my ranting. But rereading it now, my faith in myself is somewhat restored. This was dated March 25, so a couple of days after the U.K. lockdown was introduced.

“Well, after several weeks of humming and ha-ing, I’ve now very decidedly come down on the unfashionable libertarian side of this “debate” and I now think that what is being done, by all governments, is the stupidest, maddest and most counter-productive overreaction in – possibly – the entirety of human history. Trump has been roundly mocked for tweeting in capital letters that the cure must not be worse than the virus, but he’s 100% right. To shut down the entire economy, to shut down all social life, all sport, all culture, to imprison people in their homes, to ban parents from hugging children… who the (excuse me) FUCK do they think they are and what do they think they’re doing? The media, of course, are largely to blame, whipping up fear and hysteria with tales of hundreds of deaths (no context provided, how many people die in the world on an average day?). The current tendency to virtue-signal, to condemn in order to portray oneself in a supposedly positive light, to bleat in incessant self-promotion in a sad, decadent parody of Romantic individualism (of which the “boomer” generation is in its own way just as guilty as the wretched “woke”), all this also feeds into it as people are ritually humiliated for going for a walk in the fresh air.

“This is so far out of hand it simply beggars belief. And the worst of it is, these totalitarian measures can never feasibly be lifted now that they’ve been imposed, until their futility is recognized (as it inevitably will be), and while their intended consequences will fail, they will have irretrievable unintended consequences. Dominic Cummings has been roundly condemned, like Trump, for telling the truth (and in his case it was in a private brainstorming meeting and WILL PEOPLE PLEASE STOP LEAKING STUFF OUT OF CONTEXT): the situation will only stabilize when immunity builds up, as it will, in time… probably in about 18 months, like happened with Spanish flu (and can you imagine the levels of hysteria that would be achieved if this had anything like Spanish flu’s mortality rate?). Vaccines won’t come any quicker than that anyway, so… an 18-month lockdown? Really? That’s going to change the entire culture of the world, permanently and irrevocably. It’s a planetary pandemic of insanity, and – this from a hitherto not noticeably anti-establishment person – it’s a power grab by the political elite. If this is the 21st century, count me out. If freedom of movement is ever restored, I may have to google anarchist communes.“

203657 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 13, #1386 of 1646 🔗

Just about spot on Mr Nomad.
I was out and about as key worker by that date and took heed of Mr Trump’s advice about vitamin D by being in the sunshine as much as possible.

Unlike you I kept expecting lockdown to be lifted anyday after three weeks when it was clear that the worst was over and even that was not as bad as was being presented to us.
Then I began to take more notice of the constant barrage of lies and began wondering why ?

203665 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 8, #1387 of 1646 🔗

Your email was as true then as it is now.

I’ve been puzzled by the hysteria from the beginning, but I did not expect it to still be with us now. It’s been strange and infuriating in equal measure looking ‘in from the outside’ at the increasingly bizarre behaviour of governments, friends, colleagues etc.

203668 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 21, #1388 of 1646 🔗

On my last day in the office on 17th March I told my colleagues that we would not be seeing each other for at least 6-12 months. I was roundly mocked as they chanted “only 3 weeks to flatten the curve” at me. I’m sure they were out clapping and banging pots and are now wearing masks 24/7. Fucking idiots, I will never see any of them ever again. Good.

203673 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Richard O, 9, #1389 of 1646 🔗

I find it liberating to have freed myself of the worthless trash I was once deluded enough to believe in.

203682 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to annie, 4, #1390 of 1646 🔗

I have suspected this for years, but am now confident, that this place is Hell.

203686 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Richard O, 4, #1391 of 1646 🔗

No way. It’s not hell because we are in it, and it’s the wicked who go to hell. Hell is where Boris, Krsnkie, Dripfeed and others are heading.

203688 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to annie, 3, #1392 of 1646 🔗

Can you be certain there is a place lower than this for beings with self-consciousness? Seems to me like we have reached the asshole of creation. For a reason though. Much to learn here, with only a slim chance of ascent. A near impossible challenge. We probably chose this ride, and were strongly warned against doing so.

203760 ▶▶ CGL, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #1393 of 1646 🔗

You were way ahead of me but every word of that is as true today as it was then.

203650 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 7, #1394 of 1646 🔗

If certain items in supermarkets are non essential why are they in the supermarket in the first place?

Surely if they were non essential nobody would buy them?

The rapists dad is non essential but we still have to pay for him

203652 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Cecil B, 4, #1395 of 1646 🔗

Conversely, if essential items are to be provided, when can we expect the supermarkets to stock up with machine guns?

203664 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1396 of 1646 🔗

I remember early into original lockdown shoppers complaining about being shooed away from non-essential aisles by supermarket staff.

203670 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to karenovirus, 1, #1397 of 1646 🔗

They now taser anyone who goes near the mops

203857 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to karenovirus, #1398 of 1646 🔗

There was a story about police telling people off for buying Easter eggs.

203680 ▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1399 of 1646 🔗

Have a look at this Cecil B, particularly page 5, which states, ‘obtain supplies from any business or service listed in part 3 of schedule 1 including -i) food and medical supplies for those in the same household (including animals in the household) or for vulnerable persons; ii) supplies, for the essential upkeep, maintenance and functioning of the household or the household of a vulnerable person….’


I can’t find anywhere in this document unless I’m blind that the supermarket deems what is essential or not. My understanding would be what is ‘essential’ in your household. This came up in April when we were in lockdown and whilst the web page maintained you could only shop for essentials, the Act itself said different in that you could shop in a supermarket for what was essential to you. It was so important, I ran it off and took it with me in case there was a problem. I would be challenging any supermarket which does not allow you to purchase what is on their shelves or does not allow you down an aisle. I can understand the limit on tp etc. but I think they have got the wrong end of the stick.

203685 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Girl down Under, #1400 of 1646 🔗

As someone else suggested it might be a lot easier to just steal it

203691 ▶▶▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1401 of 1646 🔗

You shouldn’t have to, Cecil B. If your household requires blocks and blocks of Cadbury and jars of horseradish, and Yorkshire Tea (and mops) it’s not for the supermarket to deny it. I am having a very funny visual of you with a mop down your pants. I am sure the check out chick will be so distracted by looking at your lovely face, she won’t even notice.

203701 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Girl down Under, 1, #1402 of 1646 🔗

Cheaper to steal it, and no endless philosophic debates with staff about the meaning of the word essential

203703 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to Cecil B, #1403 of 1646 🔗

I would hate to see you arrested. 😢

203720 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Girl down Under, 1, #1404 of 1646 🔗

A mop and two jars of horseradish down your pants is still a crime in this part of the world

(Vagrancy Act 1827)

203727 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1405 of 1646 🔗

I’m very partial to Nyetimber classic cuvee as well. A couple of those whilst you are at it would be awesome, thanks Cecil B. 😆

203730 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Girl down Under, 1, #1406 of 1646 🔗

Your wish is my command

203689 ▶▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to Girl down Under, #1407 of 1646 🔗

Scroll down to Documents, and open pdf, sorry I couldn’t paste it.

203697 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Girl down Under, 1, #1408 of 1646 🔗

It is the supermarkets enforcing the diktat to the nth degree, at the end of the day they can decline to sell you anything.

203700 ▶▶▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to karenovirus, 2, #1409 of 1646 🔗

Yes it is true I can remember a friend getting barred from a supermarket years ago and she was a lawyer merely trying to exercise her consumer rights. It is so wrong, the bastards. And I think because so many people would be feeling so cowed they wouldn’t make waves. I just like the idea of digging in heels.

203655 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 5, #1410 of 1646 🔗

Welsh licenced trades answer to their woes?
Stop alcohol off sales from supermarkets and off licences.
Doing Alcohol Concerns job for them.

This is how people acted under Hitler and Stalin “attack them to save us”. Nobody was saved.

203669 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to karenovirus, 7, #1411 of 1646 🔗

Prohibition is coming, I can feel it. And it will be widely supported and rigorously enforced.

203672 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Richard O, 1, #1412 of 1646 🔗

Indeed, they didn’t dare do it the first time and lockdown might well have failed had they tried.

203674 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to karenovirus, 4, #1413 of 1646 🔗

Tobacco, junk food and meat will also be banned. Daily calorie limits on what you can consume will be very easy to impose once the digital surveillance grid is in place.

203676 ▶▶▶▶▶ Henry, replying to Richard O, 5, #1414 of 1646 🔗

Yes, I can just see the algorithm now as you try to buy a mars bar. ‘ no, you’ve already had one this week, you can buy an apple instead’.

203678 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Henry, 5, #1415 of 1646 🔗

Confectionery is junk food, so will be illegal.

One slab of lab grown vegan GMO slime and a pint of fluoridated water per day is all a slave needs.

203782 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Richard O, 1, #1416 of 1646 🔗

There was an article on the BBC website last week lauding the benefits of jellyfish as a food source.

203699 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Henry, 1, #1417 of 1646 🔗

Junk food passports

203707 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, #1418 of 1646 🔗

Junk food underground.

203917 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Henry, #1419 of 1646 🔗

It’s coming, the QR codes are dangerous and people think they are jolly good fun

203751 ▶▶▶ Emily Tock, replying to Richard O, #1420 of 1646 🔗

And along with it, the DTs … and those who suffer from it will no doubt not be able to access health care.

203757 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Richard O, 1, #1421 of 1646 🔗

Johnson’s sister was paid money by a newspaper to write an article advocating prohibition in the UK until the “end of the pandemic”.

203856 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Will, #1422 of 1646 🔗

I do like to sign Track and trace as Rachel Johnson.

203943 ▶▶ Basics, replying to karenovirus, #1423 of 1646 🔗

This is the exact same call from certain Scottish hospitality spokes people. Supermarkets must not sell alcohol. Shockingly dim witted even for these times. One point – alochol dependants, what do they do?

203953 ▶▶▶ DomW, replying to Basics, #1424 of 1646 🔗

Drink hand sanitizer then die

203656 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 16, #1425 of 1646 🔗

Where has thirty years of health and safety, diversity courses, and human rights lawyeys got us?

People went meekly to their prison cells last night. They didn’t even wait for the warders, they slammed the doors and turned the key themselves

203671 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, 5, #1426 of 1646 🔗

The new 10pm pub restaurant closure will become the permanent normal.
Many of us will remember when 10.30 was the old old normal (11.00 in London). That was introduced as an emergency measure during WW1 yet stayed in place for a Century.

When I relocated from London 30 years ago I found the local police in the habit of stopping people still on the street after midnight wanting to know what they were doing.
I expect they will start doing this again thus implementing an unofficial 23.00 curfew.

203797 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to karenovirus, #1427 of 1646 🔗

Yes, I remember back in the 80s and before, if you were out and about after 10 pm, police would stop you and ask “haven’t you got a home to go to?”

203914 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Fingerache Philip., #1428 of 1646 🔗

This time next year thousands of people won’t have a home!!!

203663 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 18, #1429 of 1646 🔗

According to the cultists a deadly virus that can live on surfaces for thirty hours stalks the land

What is their solution?

Ban the sale of cleaning products

Total fucking spanners

203667 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1430 of 1646 🔗

Most people still think you can ward off a virus with anti-bacterial gunk.

203677 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to karenovirus, 1, #1431 of 1646 🔗

I’m surprised there hasn’t been a huge nationwide campaign to dose schoolchildren with antibiotics to protect against the virus. It would cover so many bases of irrelevance, ignorance and counterproductivity in one go. Maybe we should start such a campaign, just for larks.

203681 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 11, #1433 of 1646 🔗

This is the logic of the rapists dad

Close the hardware and clothes shops

Ban supermarkets from selling items that these shops sell

The rapists dad says this creates a level playing field

How the fuck does a blanket ban on the sale of mops create a level playing field?

What next? Everyone must stop breathing next Tuesday in order to create a level playing field?

This Marxist idiot lives in shed at the bottom of somebody else’s garden (titter ye not)

203683 ▶▶ annie, replying to Cecil B, 12, #1434 of 1646 🔗

There is also a blanket ban on blanket sales. To be fair, you know.
What a load of sheet.

203739 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to annie, #1435 of 1646 🔗

Yes, as winter approaches. Ban on buying blankets.

203912 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Londo Mollari, #1436 of 1646 🔗

You mean the poor elderly people or those who have lost their jobs or are on 60% furlough can’t afford to heat their homes and can’t buy a blanket (slightly facetious but you know what I mean)

What a an absolute rotter, despicable human being

203684 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1437 of 1646 🔗

Inhaling is fine, but exhaling cannot be permitted. Unless you work in government or media, in which case you can do whatever you like.

203693 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, 5, #1438 of 1646 🔗

Border gendarmes in place to foil Ludlow based mop traffickers.

203771 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to karenovirus, #1439 of 1646 🔗

Yes, but what about smugglers from Clun and Leintwardene ?
Don’t forget “Boysie” (John Challis) lives near the latter.

203702 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 16, #1440 of 1646 🔗

Maureen “I don’t give a sod” Eames for Prime minister.

203704 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Fingerache Philip., 6, #1441 of 1646 🔗

Got my vote

203746 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Cecil B, 3, #1442 of 1646 🔗

And mine.

203706 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Fingerache Philip., 7, #1443 of 1646 🔗

The granny has spoken up and she is on the side of the granny killers

203745 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Cecil B, 3, #1444 of 1646 🔗

Maureen is a great grandmother, does that make any difference?

203709 ▶▶ annie, replying to Fingerache Philip., 7, #1445 of 1646 🔗

Team of Heneghan, Hitchens, Sumption, Toby and Will…
Let’s break the mould of British politics, because it isn’t mould, it’s terminal rot.

203721 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to annie, 6, #1446 of 1646 🔗

Well Maureen hasn’t said she doesn’t want the job! Can’t blame her, unlike Boris I suspect she realises it’s a major responsibility with hard graft required.
I do like your list of names, Annie, but can we have some of the women who have brought sense to this madness also? Thinking Sunetra, Allison, Shirelle for example.

203723 ▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to steph, #1447 of 1646 🔗

Sorry has not hasn’t. Dohhh

203743 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to annie, #1448 of 1646 🔗


204105 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to annie, #1449 of 1646 🔗

And Yeadon

203738 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Fingerache Philip., 11, #1450 of 1646 🔗

Oh, I wish. Margaret Eames – following on in the footsteps of other redoubtable women: Brenda from Bristol and Gillian Duffy.

Trouble is, people with common sense get nowhere in any kind of politics. I was once a parish councillor. It was all meetings this, courses that and not enough ‘doing’ for my liking. And I absolutely hated the petty mindedness and rivalries in evidence. Same with the BID, they waffle on and exchange asinine WhatsApp messages, rather than getting things actually done.

Recently, I went to a Parish Council meeting and one of the items that came up was planning applications. One councillor gleefully announced that he wanted to prevent some poor bugger having a small extension to his property (“oh, he’s bought something with not enough space so wants to extend”). And I thought what the hell is wrong with that? (The objections from neighbours were also risible). The applicant obviously bought what he could afford and it was more cost effective to extend. But the councillor sneered at this as though it were a very, bad thing. I was so tempted to go to the property and tell the home-owner what was being said. Thankfully, I noticed a few months later, building work had started. But, even at the lowest levels of politics, this is what you are up against.

203741 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to kh1485, 1, #1451 of 1646 🔗

Thank you for your comments.

203778 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #1452 of 1646 🔗

And queen.

203710 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #1453 of 1646 🔗

There was an item on the news about Covid in France and how some French hospitals are being overwhelmed. Which set me thinking and it is probably a silly question but why are they in hospital?
In the UK it is stated that there are 7707 Covid patients in NHS Hospitals with 707 of them being on ventilators, which to my mind begs the question what treatments are the other 6999 patients receiving that means they need to be in hospital? Are they receiving drug treatments that need constant monitoring? or is it just that they are so debilitated that they cannot do anything for themselves?
When my Mum had a stroke they had her out of hospital in days even though she was still laid up and needed nursing care. Does anyone here have any insight in to what is actually going on with Covid patients in hospital?

203711 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #1454 of 1646 🔗

707 = 7,707.

Because science.

203715 ▶▶ annie, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #1455 of 1646 🔗

I remember a specialist medico on this site, weeks ago, saying that each Covvie had its own personal team and that his sole job was to turn the patient over in bed.

203725 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, #1456 of 1646 🔗

sorry the hospital total should be 7706

203726 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #1457 of 1646 🔗

Still trying their old trick of putting people in hospital who need not be there.
After all it’s not as if the hospitals really are under pressure.

204002 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to karenovirus, #1458 of 1646 🔗

And yet it’s true. Normally, people are kicked out of hospital ASAP, sometimes before it would even seem medically advisable.

203731 ▶▶ Danny, replying to Steve Martindale, 8, #1459 of 1646 🔗

The vast majority of those 7000 have nothing to do with Covid. If I were to break my leg today, I would be teated for Covid on the way in to hospital.
If positive, which many of us no doubt are, I would become another case “hospitalised” with Covid.
Let alone say it was a nasty break and I had to be for there for a week. I may well then be tested again later, and subsequently become “another” hospitalised case.
Two weeks later. Back home. On crutches. Fall over on slippery floor and hit my head.
Death from Covid.

203734 ▶▶▶ ItsTrue, replying to Danny, 5, #1460 of 1646 🔗

came to say exactly the same, you beat me to it. They aren’t in hospital because of COVID, they are in WITH COVID. Most of them will be asymptomatic and untreated. Real numbers of COVID patients will be in the 100s.

203756 ▶▶ l835, replying to Steve Martindale, 7, #1461 of 1646 🔗

Heard from a nurse that our hospital is full because GP’s are hiding in their surgery and referring all their patients to hospital rather than see them. Rallies with my own experience.

203812 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to l835, 4, #1462 of 1646 🔗

My wife gave birth 9 weeks ago, and the healthcare she has received since July has been woeful, with the GPs the worst of a very bad bunch.

203848 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to jb12, 1, #1463 of 1646 🔗


203712 annie, replying to annie, 10, #1464 of 1646 🔗

The element goes in my kettle.
I can’t buy a new element at my excellent local shop.
I can’t buy a new kettle from a supermarket.
So I order one from Argos online and they deliver it next day.
Fair’s fair.

203716 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to annie, 7, #1465 of 1646 🔗

Local shop goes out of business. Owners go on UBI. Government threatens to terminate UBI payments unless vaccine is accepted. Owners take vaccine. Job done.

203718 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to annie, 10, #1466 of 1646 🔗

Online shopping will go from strength to strength, as more of us, drop out and abandon attempts to buy things locally.

One more giant step back for mankind.

203740 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to wendyk, 9, #1467 of 1646 🔗

A lovely greengrocer in our town closed recently. Hairdresser followed suit yesterday. The Business ‘Improvement’ District’s big idea: hanging baskets!

203763 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to kh1485, 4, #1468 of 1646 🔗

We’d do better with Del Boy and Rodney!

203807 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to wendyk, 3, #1469 of 1646 🔗

And it would be more fun.

203795 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 4, #1470 of 1646 🔗

Like rearranging the deck chairs aboard the Titanic.

Jesus wept.

203806 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #1471 of 1646 🔗

That was exactly my reaction.

203900 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to wendyk, 1, #1472 of 1646 🔗

The only viable jobs will be as couriers driving a van for Amazon. Working 20 hours a day.

203904 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to stefarm, 2, #1473 of 1646 🔗

Sorry We Missedd You. On Amazon Prime

This well worth watching.

I’m not a Loach fan as a rule, but this is excellent.

203724 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to annie, 3, #1474 of 1646 🔗

Other online suppliers are available

Running parallel with this lunacy, the rapists dad is spending hundreds of millions to save the high street

203999 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Cecil B, #1475 of 1646 🔗

I’ve found eBay to be a source of lots of small online suppliers. I don’t use Amazon, preferring to patronise small businesses on eBay instead.

203713 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 6, #1476 of 1646 🔗

I think the Welsh Resistance- led by Ann- should organise a Flash Mop chez Chateau Drakeford.

And read this for a rather bizarre oped by Zizek in RT:


Zizek is a very odd character, whose wild man of the woods appearance seems appropriate for the mad world we now inhabit.

203722 ▶▶ annie, replying to wendyk, 9, #1477 of 1646 🔗

I have a mop. It’s getting shaggy, could do with a new one really.
If Dripfeed is inaccessible (I’m beginning to think he is just an idea in the mind of Satan), maybe we could get together with some friends on the other side of the barbed wire and organise a mop-smuggling ring. We could disguise ourselves as Covvie marshals, and disguise the mops as big sticks to beat human beings with.

203728 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to annie, 2, #1478 of 1646 🔗

No mop running was how the mob started

My spellchecker just exploded

203729 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to annie, 1, #1479 of 1646 🔗

Or- not nice but an effective resistance symbol- mop masks.

Cleansed and then attached to papier mache muppet/ moppet heads and paraded by enraged Welsh citizens outside the Drakeford residence.

And now that we seem to inhabiting an increasingly irrational world, why not hold an exorcism on the spot to drive out the Senned Demon?

203733 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to wendyk, 2, #1480 of 1646 🔗

Tin buckets as replacement visors

203735 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to karenovirus, 1, #1481 of 1646 🔗

Mop-ortunity Knocks-boom boom!

203732 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to wendyk, 1, #1482 of 1646 🔗

Reconstructed communist who does not like the way his country is going for the Swedish model.

203773 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to karenovirus, 2, #1483 of 1646 🔗

Barely ‘reconstructed’ – the views expressed in the article are overtly totalitarian.

203844 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Alethea, #1484 of 1646 🔗

Had meant that Alethea not got spell checked without noticing @


203737 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to wendyk, 1, #1485 of 1646 🔗

Does anyone know his address? Unlike councillors, address details of really important evil dictators is not made public. Normally there are good reasons for this.

203744 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #1486 of 1646 🔗

I’m in Sturgeon land but no doubt Annie might have it, or look at the Senned website.

203777 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #1487 of 1646 🔗

The shed. Carmarthenshire.

203747 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 1, #1488 of 1646 🔗

Thank you for your email.

Firstly, it is important to remember the context in which the Coronavirus Act was passed; in the midst of the shock of the initial wave and the speed with which all our lives were changed.

Many things have changed since March and a new normal has evolved; however, the virus is still with us and is still deadly, and we are all still working to find the right balance between suppressing the virus and re-opening society.

We need to have a guided and targeted approach so as to avoid another national lockdown. Whilst none of us want to see people restricted from seeing their families and business forced to close, as cases rise steeply and hospitals admissions increase to near capacity, the governments across the UK have no choice but to act in accordance with scientific advice they are given to help reduce community transmission and prevent further deaths.

As such, the Governments must have the powers to take the necessary actions.

That said, I do have concerns over the lack of scrutiny, given the extent of the powers in the Act, and some of my colleagues in the SNP Group at Westminster raised these concerns in Parliament during the Bill’s Second Reading.

Our Group leader, Ian Blackford MP, raised them again during the renewal stage of the Act on 30th September, stating that the six-month reviews of the legislation cannot simply be a rubber-stamping exercise and that they must have the teeth to provide meaningful scrutiny, protect human rights and promote public health.

The way the Government put forward the extension also limited Parliament in what was, an all or nothing vote with no ability to amend the sections MPs feel are failing or inappropriate. This, too, was raised during the debate and we will again call on the UK Government to accept the need for amendment when the regulations are next debated.

It is hugely important Parliament has its say on regulations put in place to tackle this health emergency and which impact so significantly on our constituents.

It is also important that the powers are proportionate, which is why we support the repeal of Schedule 21, which gives unprecedented powers to the police and immigration of officers to detain any “potentially infectious” members of the public, including children, potentially indefinitely in unspecified locations.

Thus far, Schedule 21 detention powers have been used for 121 prosecutions, every single one of which was found unlawful by the CPS on review and, despite the level at which we have experienced the pandemic, there has been no evidence over the past six months that the powers are necessary.

Whilst I understand that these powers have not been used in Scotland, to have 100% unlawful prosecutions is completely unacceptable and the Schedule should be repealed, as my colleague Joanna Cherry called for in the debate.

I trust this information is helpful and I hope you and your family are well at this time.

Kind regards,

Dr Philippa Whitford
Member for Central Ayrshire
SNP Westminster Health Spokesperson
SNP Westminster Spokesperson on Europe

I received this yesterday; my reply is on the next comment below.

203752 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to wendyk, 8, #1489 of 1646 🔗

I didn’t get very far reading her response because it made me so angry. I wish they would just stop promulgating this notion that they are in the same boat as the rest of us: they aren’t.

203758 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to kh1485, 3, #1490 of 1646 🔗

Exactly! And no mention of the fact that they all abstained from voting.

203761 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to kh1485, 3, #1491 of 1646 🔗

They have a tribal mentality and not one of them is willing to challenge the Holyrood/SNP group think.

203770 ▶▶▶▶ LS99, replying to wendyk, 7, #1492 of 1646 🔗

You’ve nailed it! We’re basically all back at school when being “in with the crowd” is all important. Ironically, their long term job prospects might be safer if they turned to consider the lives of their constituents rather than relying on the groupthink social mirror of their political clique. Think about Sir Desmond Swayne, even if his constituents disagree with him, they can see that at least he cares and is prepared to fight for them.

203776 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to LS99, 5, #1493 of 1646 🔗

Absolutely! What a splendid bloke he is : the courage of his convictions and his friendly replies to all who contact him,constituents or not.

How I wish he could be given more say in what is going on.

The Scottish Unionists are not doing well,despite Douglas Ross’s recent attempts; I fear that many of them are wary of ‘coming out’ as sceptics,stuck as they are between the rock of Westminster’s lockdown lunacy and the hard place of Sturgeon mania.

203789 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to wendyk, 5, #1494 of 1646 🔗

Completely- I congratulated him on his speech a couple of days ago and got a “Thanks DS” after about an hour. That’s not his PA at 10pm is it.

203793 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to CGL, 4, #1495 of 1646 🔗

I got one too; he’s a beacon of hope in the political quagmire. Mixing my metaphors!

203888 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to wendyk, 1, #1496 of 1646 🔗

My SNP MP hasn’t even acknowledged my 4 emails begging her to see sense. I’ve shared the paper on false positives, the GB declaration, crimes against humanity video and Mike yeadon’s paper.

Nothing just the generic out of office – I’m working at home and might not get time to respond. Which is crap, if she is working at home she should have more time!!! Unless she is learning how to crochet or baking soda bread or clearing out the attic.

203902 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to stefarm, #1497 of 1646 🔗

Probably knitting saltire gags for the faithful

203784 ▶▶ chaos, replying to wendyk, 3, #1498 of 1646 🔗

You would expect more from a former breast surgeon.. more courage.. more analytical thinking.. more scepticsm.

203791 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to chaos, 2, #1499 of 1646 🔗

Quite so; she was very good and treated many women successfully, but abandoned an invaluable career to become an SNP rep.

203883 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to wendyk, 1, #1500 of 1646 🔗

It is still deadly….deadly deadly deadly…death death death..

No more than normal flu, the fact that UK government downgraded it in March is now long forgotten. Are these people so convinced it is the black death. Surely they should be proud to be getting us out if this mess and saving lives not ruining them.

Why don’t they have the guts to say well our policy is to make your lives a mysery as we are implementing a catastrophic change in how you plebs live ha ha haaaaaa….then again they are either thick or their ego won’t allow them to see they are being used.

203748 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 26, #1501 of 1646 🔗

Dear Dr Whitford,

Thank you for your very comprehensive reply.

My concerns are centred on the seemingly endless constraints now being imposed,the latest being the introduction from November 2nd of 5 tiers in Scotland.

I honestly cannot see local businesses nor general social and economic well being surviving such a drastic and constantly extended curtailment of normal activities: I fear for our future stability now, as the New Normal takes its toll on the lives of so many unfortunates: the young, the self employed-many of whom run small local businesses, the poorly paid, who do not have the option to work from home, those in urgent need of screening tests, specialist appointments, those whose operations have been cancelled, those trapped in violent domestic circumstances, those in need of psychiatric support and those falling prey to alcoholism and drug misuse.

The determination to put Covid containment before all else is now leading us into severe recession and rising morbidity.

No doubt this must be of particular concern to you,as a former Consultant surgeon.

NHS dentistry is not fit for purpose; normal checks and treatments have still not resumed, patients-myself included, now have to pay for what formerly were standard and essential NHS procedures.

Dentists and their support staff are working under great duress: loss of practice income driven by reduced consultations; rising costs incurred by the requirements for approved PPE –which took months to arrive, expenditure on cleaning materials and rearrangement of surgeries and waiting areas, plus the mandatory 60 minute isolation of surgeries between consultations.

Eventually we shall,as a society have to learn to live with Covid; we’ve managed to accommodate many other pesky pathogens and many more will doubtless materialise in the years to come.

I have never witnessed such panic and risk aversion and I’m convinced that it is having a decidedly detrimental effect on behavioural norms: masked faces disguise the normal range of expressions which we all rely on in our usual discourse; distrust and avoidance are rapidly assuming dominance.

It is distressing to witness young children hidden behind masks and frankly worrying to see masked drivers. Mobiles are banned while driving and it seems to me that masks should not be worn either.

More evidence is coming to light of the adverse effects associated with face coverings and I regularly observe masks being pulled down, pulled back up, removed and stuffed into pockets or bags or discarded on the ground. Grubby scarves are also widely used

Finally even meeting friends is now virtually verboten; there are so many restrictions and there is also the fear of snitching by neighbours and others, now apparently, encouraged by some in government. More or less total isolation is now the norm.

Rather than the frankly draconian control which now impinges on every one of us, we should be trusted to act sensibly and to take responsibility for our own lives and well being,while being mindful of the need to consider others.

Government announcements are frequently confusing and seemingly produced at very short notice and the 4 nations of the struggling UK are each going their own way.

My reply might seem rather mild for a committed sceptic and union supporter, but I’m hoping to engage her in a lengthy expose of the Corona drama which is becoming frankly insupportable and indicative of the delusional control creep now foisted upon us.

My usual bees in bonnet :informed consent and informed dissent have been cancelled, all to Stop The Spread.

203762 ▶▶ LS99, replying to wendyk, 5, #1502 of 1646 🔗

Brilliant letter.

203766 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to LS99, 7, #1503 of 1646 🔗

Thank you; it’s taken several weeks to slough off the inertia and take her on.

However, from formerly not bothering to reply to emails, she’s replied to 2 in recent weeks, which makes me think that she might just be feeling the heat.

203986 ▶▶▶ howard steen, replying to LS99, #1504 of 1646 🔗

You do not mention the testing. It is very important to understand that using PCR testing to measure ‘infection’ is entirely inappropriate. Although there is nothing wrong as such with this technology, it is total madness to use it in this way because it cannot evidence an infection. Only the diagnosis of symptoms can do this. PCR can then be used to find out what the infecting agent is i.e. is it influenza or is it Covid. But using it as the primary diagnostic tool is a completely flawed approach and a total deviation from anything which has been done in the past for diagnosis of respiratory diseases. More background here about PCR: https://vimeo.com/443416775

203749 2 pence, 4, #1505 of 1646 🔗

Does this ring any bells?

It’s a now-classic ‘PCR false positive pseudo epidemic’.



203755 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #1506 of 1646 🔗

“Escaped self-cloning mutant crayfish created in experimental breeding programmes have invaded a Belgian cemetery.”

Of course they have. It’s 2020.

203769 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #1507 of 1646 🔗

Self cloning mutants are colonising Scotland

203841 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #1508 of 1646 🔗

Sounds like a description of a Horror Channel (freeview channel 70 moving to 68 soon) film that you sit through for two hours constantly thinking it must get better-then it ends.

203759 Fingerache Philip., 6, #1509 of 1646 🔗

Speed cameras to be reconfigured to check on “social distancing”
Daily mail.

203764 annie, replying to annie, 8, #1510 of 1646 🔗

Do nit stop
To buy a mop.
Dripfeed won’t let you
And he’ll come and get you.

203768 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to annie, 1, #1511 of 1646 🔗

You need a mopping up strategy ; military parlance as well as cleansing.

203781 ▶▶ chaos, replying to annie, 6, #1512 of 1646 🔗

All recessions
All depressions
Are engineered
Mere processions

203765 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #1513 of 1646 🔗
203779 ▶▶ LS99, replying to Tom Blackburn, 10, #1514 of 1646 🔗

Always good to have a reminder that on the internet it is easy to hang out with people with whom you agree and quite a shock to find that there are other points of view! That was quite a shock for me after spending so much time here.

203786 ▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to Tom Blackburn, 6, #1515 of 1646 🔗

Whoa, what a bunch of toddlers.

205319 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Tom Blackburn, #1516 of 1646 🔗

If that is the situation here, I will not be using their delivery service nor their click and collect.

203767 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 5, #1517 of 1646 🔗
203780 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to p02099003, 3, #1518 of 1646 🔗

Incredible! So, leave your kids outside to be abducted?

203819 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #1519 of 1646 🔗

Apparently you are allowed to bring in your children if you can’t leave them at home. How gracious of them.

From now on I’m not shopping at Sainsburies. I’m sure they’ll miss me.

203785 ▶▶ l835, replying to p02099003, 3, #1520 of 1646 🔗

They won’t sell much with only one adult in the shop at a time. But it would be nice to have the whole shop to yourself (couldn’t be bothered reading full article…)

203876 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to p02099003, #1521 of 1646 🔗

What next, only 1 person allowed in the shop at any 1 time?

205321 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to p02099003, #1522 of 1646 🔗

If that is the situation here, I will not be using their delivery service nor their click and collect.

203783 Will, replying to Will, 7, #1523 of 1646 🔗

Long project fear article on the BBC highlighting the situation in Europe. Every country was covered except Sweden….

203788 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Will, 3, #1524 of 1646 🔗

Been concentrating on Europe because nought to talk about here and we have few witnesses to refute them.

203792 ScuzzaMan, replying to ScuzzaMan, 9, #1525 of 1646 🔗

So is it clear to everyone now that the official science narratives are merely political constructs designed to nudge the citizenry in a particular politically convenient direction?

Can we stop pretending now that we know that “following the science” is a nonsense term designed and mouthed by politicians to obscure the fact that the scientists are following the politicians?

Can we take the next step and ask openly what else do you think “science says” that isn’t true?

Or are we going to keep pretending that conferral of a degree simultaneously confers an unimpeachable moral probity, and that quoting one of these eminent science journals settles all arguments?

203804 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to ScuzzaMan, 3, #1526 of 1646 🔗

Can you make this video work? It does for me. but other people say it’s taken down so I’m puzzled

Top barrister pulls apart the ‘science’ and the measures
“The German Corona Extra-Parliamentary Inquiry Committee (Außerparlamentarischer Corona Untersuchungsausschuss), launched July 10, 2020, was founded by four trial attorneys to investigate and prosecute those responsible for implementing the economically devastating lockdowns around the world, as well as using fraudulent testing to engineer the appearance of a dangerous pandemic”

203820 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Rosie, 3, #1527 of 1646 🔗

I can’t understand why people here aren’t taking more interest in this

203871 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Rosie, 2, #1528 of 1646 🔗

I’ve taken great interest and shared it, I’ve also begged my useless mp to take notice

203878 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to stefarm, 1, #1529 of 1646 🔗

What about Lockdown Sceptics, Stefarm.? I don’t seem to be seeing much here.

203987 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Rosie, #1530 of 1646 🔗

The Mercola site has a mixed reputation at best. I’ve resubscribed to it after several years away, but it’s rather like David Icke in it’s toxicity to some segments of the population. Apologies if you don’t like that answer, but you seem to really want one.

203919 ▶▶▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to Rosie, #1531 of 1646 🔗

I can’t seem to get the video to play Rosie, could be my old tablet, but I will persevere with the link to the article. GOOD luck today.

203916 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Rosie, #1532 of 1646 🔗

Hi Rosie – I was one of those yesterday who couldn’t open it but it appears it was just my phone as I am on a different device now and I can see it. Thanks very much for your perseverance.

203980 ▶▶ Sylvie, replying to ScuzzaMan, #1533 of 1646 🔗

Not necessarily, not as in Soviet Russia, we still have independent scientists here. But here’s a discussion of Max Weber’s argument that politics cannot really follow the science by David Runciman, Cambridge Prof of Politics.

203794 Rosie, replying to Rosie, 4, #1534 of 1646 🔗

Please will someone tell me about today’s demo in London

203825 ▶▶ Kath Andrews, replying to Rosie, 2, #1535 of 1646 🔗

On my way now, 12pm, Hyde Park.

203828 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Kath Andrews, 3, #1536 of 1646 🔗

Thank you. I thought i’d seen Hyde Park. Do you know if anything is happening in Trafalgar Square? I ask because I’m not very strong and only feel up for Trafalgar Square.

203798 howard steen, 11, #1537 of 1646 🔗

Here is the Twitter link to my number 3 Corona Cartoon, your one stop image guide to the present state of the UK and the ‘who knows what’ low down on several of the key actors involved in this scam/crime of the century. I posted the image yesterday as a jpg file but this link is probably more easily shared for anyone who would like to do this.

203799 ConstantBees, 7, #1538 of 1646 🔗

Here’s an article highlighted by the American Institute for Economic Research .

Author credentials: “Dr. Ari R Joffe, MD, teaches in the Department of Pediatrics, Division of Critical Care Medicine, University of Alberta and Stollery Children’s Hospital, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada, and is a member of The Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Canada of Alberta, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. He was also an advocate of lockdowns. Then he saw what they did in practice. Now he has documented the carnage in what might be the most comprehensive paper yet published.”

Here’s the article: COVID-19: Rethinking the Lockdown Groupthink . Click the PDF link on that page to download the whole article.

A detailed discussion of the costs of lockdown focused on proper analysis and not the emotional blackmail we’ve had from governments. So I’m sure it will be ignored and the author vilified. But still worthwhile for people on this site to read.

203800 Rosie, replying to Rosie, 5, #1539 of 1646 🔗

Also, is there anyone who’d like to meet in Trafalgar Square and just do what we can? I’m printing out some short info leaflets about masks, and have global warming booklets.

203802 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Rosie, 10, #1540 of 1646 🔗

London is too far at the moment. But all the best. I’m still looking for the address of Mark Drakeford. There needs to be a peaceful protest in his street. We need to shame him, assuming that such a creature is capable of shame.