Last updated2020-10-25T10:53:15



205582 DomW, replying to DomW, 2, #1 of 1695 🔗

First ?

205584 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to DomW, 1, #2 of 1695 🔗

I’m sickened to be second!

205585 ▶▶▶ DomW, replying to OKUK, 1, #3 of 1695 🔗

But who is thirsting to be third ?

205587 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to DomW, -2, #4 of 1695 🔗

You mean the Irish third, so known for its bronze colour?

205586 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to OKUK, 6, #5 of 1695 🔗

Well let’s get this off to a nice optimistic start. Everything is going the sceptics’ way! Yay!!

205588 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to OKUK, 15, #6 of 1695 🔗

Let’s put it this way- can anyone point to anything that is currently happening that undermines the sceptical position? I really can’t think of anything.

205621 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to OKUK, #7 of 1695 🔗

If the Danish mask study says they work, we’re in trouble.

205627 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Jay Berger, 35, #8 of 1695 🔗

If that were the case it would have been published far and wide asap.

205950 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Jay Berger, 9, #9 of 1695 🔗


The proper science on masks outside of a hospital setting. This CDC policy document applies to influenza, but there is no reason to assume it wouldn’t apply equally to Covid-19. It is based on 14 randomised controlled trials and it clearly says that masks and hand washing/cleansing have no measurable effect in reducing influenza transmission.

206016 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Rowan, 6, #10 of 1695 🔗

but washing your hands now and then is still quite a good thing to do, what my mum said anyway.

206032 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to karenovirus, 3, #11 of 1695 🔗

Wash your hands as obsessively as you like, but you’ll still get the flu.

205623 ▶▶▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to OKUK, 23, #12 of 1695 🔗

Possibly the majority of people only viewing the world through the MSM and having no idea that there actually is an alternate narrative. My whole family is locked in step and any counter argument is just silly conspiracy talk. Brutal trying to reason with this mindset!

205654 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cruella, replying to Eddie, 7, #13 of 1695 🔗

Yes, most people believe it all without question.

205906 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ right2question, replying to Cruella, 10, #14 of 1695 🔗

i’ve been back in the uk/south coast for a month now. i’m exploiting every opportunity i can to speak to people about the situation and i’m being heartened by how many people are questioning the restrictions as well as the whole msnarrative. some have swapped links with me and my postman stops for a pro freedom chat if he has time. so i think it’s a mixed picture.

206020 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to right2question, 4, #15 of 1695 🔗

I’ve not even had anyone say ‘best to be on the safe side’ for some weeks now.

205693 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RichT, replying to Eddie, 34, #16 of 1695 🔗

This is exactly what is happening, speaking to people at work they ask me “where are you getting your information ?”. That was when I realised that the censorship really had worked. I have printed an information pack that I will be handing out next week.

205908 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ right2question, replying to RichT, 3, #17 of 1695 🔗

great idea, i’ve been thinking about that kind of idea

205926 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to RichT, 2, #18 of 1695 🔗

Are you sharing that information pack anywhere please?

206707 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ RichT, replying to Rosie, #19 of 1695 🔗

Sorry took so long to reply. My info is a combination of documents, mostly from Centre Of Evidence Based Medicine, and some other writings from here. I have not finished it yet but will try to link it when I have.

206362 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to RichT, 2, #20 of 1695 🔗

Any chance letting us see it here?

206648 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to RichT, #21 of 1695 🔗

That’s great to hear Rich. There are definitely pockets of resistance just waiting to be seeded properly.

206052 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Eddie, 2, #22 of 1695 🔗

Does the silly conspiracy talk include Nobel Laureate expert immunologists and virologists??

206650 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to Lms23, #23 of 1695 🔗

Nah they just think anything online must be suspect unless it’s major media stamped as approved

205893 ▶▶▶▶▶ right2question, replying to OKUK, 3, #24 of 1695 🔗

apart from the fact that we’re still waiting to be given permission to get on with our lives as normal, not a prescribed not ‘normal’ rather than enough of us refusing to play that game and getting on with our lives freely

205633 ▶▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to OKUK, 12, #25 of 1695 🔗

People RISE UP Against Welsh Lockdown

Mahyar Tousi

205849 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #26 of 1695 🔗

Thanks Great video

206213 ▶▶▶▶ fgygrgrygergiherge, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #27 of 1695 🔗

Nice to see, but although Boris and the crooks in whitehall and westminster definitely need deposing, the Welsh might be better taking the protests directly to wherever that slimy communist Drakeford is lurking. The Welsh local government needs to see that locals do not accept totalitarianism, they actually enjoy it when people who should be going after them go shout at London instead.

205655 ▶▶ TJN, replying to DomW, 7, #28 of 1695 🔗

Perhaps it would an idea if from here on the first posted a piece of verse, proverb, quotation or the like which might serve as an epigram for the day?

206830 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to TJN, 2, #29 of 1695 🔗

Always the best time
For a really good rhyme.
If you wake feeling surly,
Put a good rhyme on early.

205592 HawkAnalyst, 12, #31 of 1695 🔗

Keep batting guys

205595 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 57, #32 of 1695 🔗

From Toby’s top story:

Ambulance and admission teams were told to be more selective about who should be taken into hospital, with specific instructions to exclude many elderly people .

GPs were asked to identify frail patients who were to be left at home even if they were seriously ill with the virus.

…patients over the age of 80 should be denied access to intensive care and in effect excluded many people over the age of 60 from life-saving treatment.

If this is true and The Times has proof, could we be looking at Negligent Homicide? (IANAL)

205608 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 21, #33 of 1695 🔗

Or maybe Criminally Negligent Manslaughter?

Does anyone know if The Times mentions whether Scotland and Wales had the same policy, or did the same thing?

205883 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Ceriain, 9, #34 of 1695 🔗

I’m sure you will find it was across the globe. The over 60s are seen as being economically unviable now and a burden to be disposed of by any foul means, of course this excludes the rich and the powerful.

205902 ▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #35 of 1695 🔗

Didn’t the Nazis have the same attitude ? So the LibLabCon and Sage are not much better

206023 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Adam, 3, #36 of 1695 🔗

I don’t think the nazis had a thing against the old as such, just the physicality and mentally ‘deficient’ who they killed off before the Jews and the rest, eagerly aided and abetted by the medical establishment.

207310 ▶▶▶▶▶ sam, replying to Adam, #37 of 1695 🔗

200 million people have died under the various marxist regimes we have seen. Way dwarfing the NAZI’s (who were of the letft not the right)
Interesting how the narrative never talks about the communist atrocities!

206063 ▶▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #38 of 1695 🔗

Soylent Green!

206750 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Ceriain, 1, #39 of 1695 🔗

Or murder.

205616 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ceriain, 16, #40 of 1695 🔗

I think we knew about this anecdotally at the time, the ‘do not resuscitate ‘ scandal was certainly in the MSM.
Good to have at least one name to start with.

205641 ▶▶ annie, replying to Ceriain, 30, #41 of 1695 🔗

I quite agree and I think Whitty should be hanged.
However, denying treatment to the old, in case of shortages, has been NHS policy for many years. They calculate by ‘life-years’. Treating a young person saves more life-years than treating an old person, so if there’s only room fir one, the older person gets the chuck. An example I remember hearing is kidney dialysis. If there weren’t enough machines, the old person would be told ‘unfortunately you are not suitable for this treatment’.
With Covid, it’s ‘unfortunately you are not fit to live, though we’re going to use the threat to you as propaganda to terrify the herd into obedience, hooray, killing two birds with one stone.’

205648 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to annie, 6, #42 of 1695 🔗

PS.. From the NICE.org glossary: the ‘Quality-adjusted life year’:

A measure of the state of health of a person or group in which the benefits, in terms of length of life, are adjusted to reflect the quality of life. One quality-adjusted life year (QALY) is equal to 1 year of life in perfect health.
QALYs are calculated by estimating the years of life remaining for a patient following a particular treatment or intervention and weighting each year with a quality-of-life score (on a 0 to 1 scale). It is often measured in terms of the person’s ability to carry out the activities of daily life, and freedom from pain and mental disturbance.

205661 ▶▶▶▶ Cruella, replying to annie, 22, #43 of 1695 🔗

How is this bad? They are saying that the lived experience of a person, their quality of existence is to be assessed as well as the time you can give them! As in, will they be able to do anything, hear, speak, move! Not just be alive! This is crucial in compassionate health intervention! What would you have otherwise, I know, loads of old people forced into isolation for months, alone without their loved ones in case they get a virus! That’s what a pursuit of surviving over quality of life looks like, you’d prefer that?

205947 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cruella, 8, #44 of 1695 🔗

Well said. There’s existence and there’s Life.

205658 ▶▶▶ Cruella, replying to annie, 7, #45 of 1695 🔗

Would you rather the younger person was prioritised last? Even if they had a much greater chance of pulling through? The elderly don’t have the same capacity to survive serious illness so having escalated their care they would sadly often die anyway. Age by number is not the thing, biological age and capacity to fight back from a significantly weaker starting point has always been the thing. Of course if you have one bed for two people you should pick the one that you have the best chance of saving! Usually that will be the younger person, not always but usually that’s why we need to shelter the elderly FFS! Look at what happened in Italy, trying to ventilate all those old folk, when it clearly doesn’t work, it’s just cruel and futile.
I’m not saying what Whitty and the NHS have done is right, it’s all been totally disproportionate and has led to many avoidable and lonely deaths.But your point is not true for the NHS before in my experience, quite the opposite.

205660 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cruella, 32, #46 of 1695 🔗

Thing is though the NHS were denying treatment to the elderly ‘in case’ they got overwhelmed which they never did.
Only one hospital in London got overwhelmed but that was because it was the regional specialist unit.

205662 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cruella, replying to karenovirus, 3, #47 of 1695 🔗

Right, I did say this in my response.

205663 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 26, #48 of 1695 🔗

Isn’t the NHS overwhelmed every winter? Usually it’s the government’s fault and the opposition screams and gibbers accirdingly. This year Covvie makes a most convenient scapegoat, seeing that Labour don’t want to speak out against the concentration camp policy.

And yes, Cruella, you do have to ration care, because the NHS is an organisation with finite resources chasing an infinite need. We could pour our entire GDP into it and it still wouldn’t be enough. But most people won’t believe this. So maybe a bit of honesty about QALYs would be opportune. (I almost wrote ‘would be healthy’!)

205683 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cruella, replying to annie, 14, #49 of 1695 🔗

No Annie, on the whole the NHS does not decide to escalate care in the elderly because of bed availability but based on the individuals survivability and yes, the young will often take priority. It’s a clinical, physiological judgement. In fact the NHS is overwhelmed every winter because it strives to keep increasing numbers of very old people alive and doesn’t ration care, as you put it but can and does keep the elderly alive well beyond any quality of existence. The NHS is not a single cell organism, you’re talking about individual doctors etc making clinical judgements about the person in front of them. I thought the whole problem with this horrible year has been that the government and remote politicians have intervened in this relationship, passed blanket legislation and many people have died consequently.

207317 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ sam, replying to annie, #50 of 1695 🔗

reason is that the NHS operates in the dark ages using drug based medicine. It is the wrong paradigm and cannot cure chronic disease. That is the problem

205787 ▶▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Cruella, 18, #51 of 1695 🔗

My concern is ‘ the exclusion of the elderly’. Many are assuming severe illnesses, but this exclusion may have also included many who had an illness that could be resolved by, say, a course of IV antibiotics, which would only be achieved through hospital admission. For example, a urinary tract infection, particularly if catheterised, can result in high temeratures and a very unwell person, but equally resolved by the treatment mentioned. Denying such treatment would likely result in a deterioration, most likely not reversed. Try not to assume thise denied hospital care were ill with terminal medical conditions. To deny people routine treatment, antibiotics, IV fluids, wound care, diabetes control, hypertension control etc., resulting in their demise or serious compromises of their health is gross negligence, manslaughter or worse if consequences in intended denied treatment are known.

206121 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sylvie, replying to Nsklent, 14, #52 of 1695 🔗

This is a very difficult and emotive area on which to enter into public debate, it’s so easy to misinterpret what is said and what is meant. But for those who have experienced the care of the very elderly and frail, I will relate where I believe I was wrong, and why. I have had years to reflect on it.
My over 90 mother was in a care home, deteriorating in the months following the death of my even older father (who died in the course of an operation to replace his broken hip – at the age of 95 – which rather weakens the argument that the NHS is reluctant to treat the elderly). She became almost bed bound, didn’t really want to eat, or speak much. The GP who visited regularly said she was becoming dehydrated. I told him noone should let a dog die like that, and he gently said that in that case he would arrange her transfer to hospital for IV fluids. She spent 3 weeks there in a noisy, unfamiliar environment, getting rehydrated but becoming ever more distressed, eventually being discharged back to her care home on Christmas Eve. She died 6 weeks later.
As her daughter, I now think I should have let her waste away in peace among familiar staff and with daily visits from me, instead of being removed to an unfamiliar hospital where the distance meant I could only go every other day. But at the time, I believed she could be made better, and somehow never realised that actually she was close to death – something which I now think her GP could see, but felt inhibited about sharing with me. Probably because he saw in front of him a pushy middle class self righteous woman in the grip of strong emotion.
So I would just caution against the use of terms like gross negligence, manslaughter and similar. Those doctors and nurses who care for the elderly have seen and experienced more than we, their relatives, have or ever will. They know that at the end of life, relatives may be fraught, angry,and unable to process the unpalatable truth, that their loved one may no longer benefit from further treatment. This is not euthanasia. It is recognising the inevitable and not officiously prolonging the agony.

206861 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Peter Thompson, replying to Sylvie, 3, #53 of 1695 🔗

Sylvie , thank you for that very moving comment. As a primary care physician who deals with the problems you describe on a daily basis I know very well the scenario you have detailed. The daughter/son sees their frail dearest as they were 40 years ago and just wishes them to be how they were then. Accepting that life is finite and sometimes the best thing is not to transfer the very sick elderly patient to the local hospital is difficult for all involved but hopefully with time such decisions can be seen to be the best and kindest option in some cases.

207323 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ sam, replying to Sylvie, #54 of 1695 🔗

I took my mother privately for IV fluids. She is also very frail but not in a care home. My father was in a home and I used to take him out to visit private GP’s as I found he got much better treatment than from the care home GP

207319 ▶▶▶▶▶ sam, replying to Nsklent, 1, #55 of 1695 🔗

Its best to learn to look after your own health and not rely on the NHS

205789 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Cruella, 18, #56 of 1695 🔗

The point is that the claim of the Establishment is that we, the sceptics, are the granny killers whereas they are locking everyone down to ‘save granny’.

In reality, this is just a PR cover up for the actions of the Establishment which will ultimately result in greater deaths across the entire population base, including ‘granny’. Unfortunately, the majority of the population will fall for for this spin.

207325 ▶▶▶▶▶ sam, replying to Ewan Duffy, #57 of 1695 🔗

maybe the granny’s should have a vote as to whether they want to be locked away from their loved ones whilst the futures of their grandchildren are completely destroyed?

206238 ▶▶▶▶ fgygrgrygergiherge, replying to Cruella, #58 of 1695 🔗

A lot of the elderly deneid treatement were people who had simple problems that hospitals could easily and reliably fix, if this was just those with serious covid (serious cases almost never survive however long you try to keep them alive for) deneid treatment that would make sense, but what our NoHelpService has been doing is denying reliable and easy treatments to the elderly to make room for covid cases who would be resource hungry (futile as it is ventilation takes a lot of equipent and nurse time), unsaveable, and never even materialised.

207316 ▶▶▶▶ sam, replying to Cruella, #59 of 1695 🔗

ventilation was the wrong treatment which is why so many died. We know hydroxychloroquine and zinc work as well as vit D. Intensive care beds are not needed for long with the correct treatment if at all. Oxygen is whats needed and anticoagulents as well. Its incredibly unlikely that any young people would have needed an ICU bed for covid. Its the sick and elderly who might need them so there is no choice to be made.

205700 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Ceriain, 15, #60 of 1695 🔗

With such a large number of deaths is it not a Crime Against Humanity?

205930 ▶▶▶ right2question, replying to Basileus, 6, #61 of 1695 🔗

and it’s another aspect of the utter madness. so the overt priority is the world shuts down to shield the elderly but the reality is that they are treated in a totally inhuman way they are kicked out of hospital, refused hospital or even gp care locked in the nursing homes or their own homes and allowed no visitors even if they are ill or dying

205854 ▶▶ petgor, replying to Ceriain, 10, #62 of 1695 🔗

No, it just means that euthanasia has been formally accepted as a means of treatment for the elderly. Next, will be the doctors armed with their cocktail of chemicals. It’s getting too close for comfort for me at least.

206631 ▶▶▶ chris c, replying to petgor, 3, #63 of 1695 🔗

It already has been, look up Liverpool Care Pathway (which they did to my mother). Not sure what else they could have done really, she was 95 and very frail, fell and smashed her pelvis.

Nevertheless I know people who could have been saved and weren’t and others who had heroic procedures which still left them semi-vegetables. I don’t know what the pattern is, I suspect it varies with factors like number of patients vs number of hospital beds

205911 ▶▶ Jane in France, replying to Ceriain, 12, #64 of 1695 🔗

A horrific diagram was posted on a French forum showing the huge spike in prescriptions of Rivotril, also known as Clonazepam, during March and April. This is the drug that is administered to people to “put them to sleep.” Someone has found the official figures on the Ameli site, the equivalent of the National Health. The spike more or less exactly matches the spike in deaths during that period. Here is evidence indeed that old people were being deliberately killed. https://cv19.fr/2020/10/24/leuthanasie-au-rivotril-en-chiffres/

205917 ▶▶▶ right2question, replying to Jane in France, 2, #65 of 1695 🔗

and it’s just interesting to be aware of the depopulation agenda of the wef/new world order etc

205932 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Jane in France, 4, #66 of 1695 🔗

Deliberate killing of over seventies should have been investigated years ago. There was the Gosport Memorial Hospital, Stafford General and many other cases.

205989 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Jane in France, 2, #67 of 1695 🔗

Definitely worth sending this to the Sunday Times team.

206528 ▶▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Jane in France, 2, #68 of 1695 🔗

Yes in France. Was just reading up on this. Interesting article in FranceSoir too that is linked within your link showing this spike in clonazepam dispensed after a Public Heath decree described action to be taken, coinciding precisely with peak covid deaths.


Here, given our Whitty’s triage protocol which basically excluded the elderly from hospital care alongside the emptying of the hospitals to care homes and batch DNR orders we might expect to see a similar spike if we looked at the prescribing data perhaps? Worth a rummage I reckon. If admissions are higher now it may in part be because the brakes have been taken off elderly admissions? Hmm, maybe.

So…scenario forming in my head…the immensely high spike in UK, Spain, France, largely caused by throwing the elderly under the bus is followed by a case made that stopping free association across the whole of society will prevent a repeat of an event that was not caused by free association but by strict age gating access to the NHS as policy. Now why would they push a less than honest narrative now when the cause of high mortality wasn’t so much viral illness per se but a decision to shield the NHS from the elderly as Toby says.

I assume the Germans did not throw the elderly under the bus and that is in part why they did better? A nice thought for those who have paid their NI contributions all their lives, eh?

Some interesting threads to follow up.

207099 ▶▶▶ A leaf, replying to Jane in France, 2, #69 of 1695 🔗

Rivotril is an anti epilepsy drug which is also prescribed for severe anxiety and xanax weaning. It is very addictive.i presume the prescriptions were for people who were scared sh.tless thanks to the extreme lockdowns of the time, disgusting msm news of non stop, hourly death counts (never ever saw something like that in my life ever) and complicit goverments. The horror show deliberately painted on the msm was so insanely scary that even as a sceptic and a msm disbeliever from the start , i had my few rough anxiety ridden days…somebody has to pay for what is been done to people

206060 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Ceriain, 3, #70 of 1695 🔗

Which also goes to prove that the stories people were sharing online was closer to the right-hand anything the government and its advisors were telling us, or what the mainstream media waterproofing. It’s all a bit stable door now. Most of us knew fairly early on that things weren’t right. It’s only taken the Times six months to catch up.

206145 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Ceriain, 6, #71 of 1695 🔗

It’s all in the Amnesty report that is being ignored by the MSM and politicians and the main political parties:


You can download the report and read at your leisure.

Stinks like genocide and crimes against humanity.

I have sent links to tear report to various MPs, the Labour and conservative central offices but no response from anyone.

Quelle surprise.

207309 ▶▶ sam, replying to Ceriain, #72 of 1695 🔗

this is very odd since largely the only people needing intensive care for covid are over 80! As the NHS is not treating anything else and will not treat the most ill with covid then what is it doing?? Is it now completely empty? Is it going to be completely shut down? What is the plan??

205598 PhilipF, replying to PhilipF, 39, #73 of 1695 🔗

I know this has been recommended before, but the Delingpole Yeadon podcast is essential sceptic listening. And it is such a pleasure to hear an intelligent person allowed to speak at length.


205609 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to PhilipF, 21, #74 of 1695 🔗

Listened to it in full a couple of days ago. Succinctly confirms most of what’s been said here @ LS.
Final word from Mike Yeadon
‘The Pandemic isn’t over because SAGE say it isn’t.’

205703 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to PhilipF, 11, #75 of 1695 🔗

Yes, I have just written to my MP plus some others on the basis of this podcast.

205705 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Basileus, 31, #76 of 1695 🔗

Here is the body of my letter should you wish to use it:

May I urge you to listen to this Podcast interview by James Delingpole with Dr Michael Yeadon.


Dr Yeadon is the former Chief Scientific Officer and and Vice President, Allergy and Respiratory Research Head, with Pfizer Global R&D and co-Founder of Ziarco Pharma Ltd.

In this interview, as you will hear, Dr Yeadon makes a number of things clear.

  1. The evidence shows that the Covid ‘Pandemic’ has followed the normal Gompertz curve and is currently in rapid decline.
  2. The current wave of ‘cases’ is mainly due to the faulty PCR test which has an unacceptably high false positive rate probably greater than 80%. (Incidentally it is remarkable that the government has not published any data on this false positive rate).
  3. These positive tests are not being followed by large number of hospitalisations. In fact the bed occupancy level in most hospitals is below the average for this time of year.
  4. There is no reason to expect a second wave of infections since epidemics do not follow this pattern.

Dr Yeadon makes it clear that these facts must be known to Sr Patrick Vallance and he therefore concludes that Vallance is lying. Does this mean that Johnson is being taken in by the lies or is he part of the conspiracy? It falls to the remaining MPs who can claim to be operating with integrity to investigate these matters on behalf of the British people. May I urge you do so?

Today even more evidence of malfeasance has emerged as I read that a Sunday Times Insight investigation has revealed the extent to which the elderly were neglected by the NHS during the full lockdown. The article asserts:

There were 59,000 extra deaths in England and Wales compared with previous years during the first six months of the pandemic. This consisted of 26,000 excess fatalities in care homes and another 25,000 in people’s own homes.

This huge increase of deaths outside hospitals was a mixture of coronavirus cases – many of whom were never tested – and people who were not given treatment for other conditions that they would have had access to in normal times. Ambulance and admission teams were told to be more selective about who should be taken into hospital, with specific instructions to exclude many elderly people. GPs were asked to identify frail patients who were to be left at home even if they were seriously ill with the virus.

The Sunday Times points the finger at Chris Whitty, England’s Chief Medical Officer, as the architect of the policy leading to this carnage.

It is long past time for these matter to be properly investigated.

205935 ▶▶▶▶ right2question, replying to Basileus, 4, #77 of 1695 🔗

thanks for this, i’m arranging to have a virtual meeting with my mp

205713 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to PhilipF, 12, #78 of 1695 🔗

Listened to it the others day. Dr Yeadon explains his points in a clear, concise way.

Should be required listening to the Powers That Be who still continue on their destructive path.

205737 ▶▶ Sophie123, replying to PhilipF, 15, #79 of 1695 🔗

As I mentioned the other day, it is completely inconceivable that Patrick Vallance is not aware of the existence of T cell immunity. He was head of R&D while Shingrix, GSK’s biggest pipeline product – a vaccine for shingles that RELIES ON T CELL IMMUNITY FOR ITS EFFECT – was developed and approved.

He was responsible for pharma rather than vaccines, but there is absolutely no way that he didn’t know how it worked. WHY is he lying? We all know he is.

The weird thing is he started off being lucid & sensible, back in March talking about herd immunity, but something has changed over the spring/summer. Either he has gone senile or he has been got at.

And don’t tell me it’s his piffling £600k in GSK shares. To him that is nothing. Certainly not worth selling his reputation for.

205829 ▶▶▶ James Bertram, replying to Sophie123, 2, #80 of 1695 🔗

Thanks, Sophie.
Sent this information to my Guildford MP, along with the Mike Yeadon video.

205876 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Sophie123, 4, #81 of 1695 🔗

The whole of sage have turned from being reasonable to the most fervent lockdown fanatics.
Why has this happened?

206031 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #82 of 1695 🔗

To enhance and prolong their own self importance.

205790 ▶▶ Nsklent, replying to PhilipF, 8, #83 of 1695 🔗

Ivor Cummins also on a recent Triggernometry

206695 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Nsklent, #84 of 1695 🔗

I would also highly recommend that episode.

206691 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to PhilipF, 1, #85 of 1695 🔗

It was a brilliant podcast but I don’t think those I forwarded it to will have listened to the whole 2 hours.

As both myself & karenovirus below have pointed out – the best line comes at the bitter end. Within that one phrase lies our only hope of salvation. It won’t be by marching, spreading the word, or any other actions we are bravely making that change will come. The population have been made too compliant. Sage is the key and must be made to change its tack. We must make that happen.

205600 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 29, #86 of 1695 🔗

Posted yesterday, just as we got a new page up. Needs posted here, too.

How soon they forget.

Jonathan Van-Tam (Liar!):

“There is no evidence that general wearing of facemasks, by the public, who
are well, affects the spread of the disease in our society.”

“In terms of the hard evidence, and what the UK Government recommend, we do
not recommend face masks for general wearing by the public.”


205605 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Ceriain, 12, #87 of 1695 🔗

Those were the days.

205622 ▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to mattghg, 3, #88 of 1695 🔗

The final days of the Enlightenment.

205626 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to Ceriain, 15, #89 of 1695 🔗

Well as we know The Science wasn’t quite up to snuff back then but now they’re got It sewn up tight and certainty reigns as far as masks go.

I’m in utter disbelief now every time I head out into public. The wearing while alone outside or while driving folks are not just once in a while occurences anymore. People really fear the Rona is just waiting to attack them in open air.

205667 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Eddie, 9, #90 of 1695 🔗

And in the rain as well. I went out for a walk yesterday and saw a guy wearing one. The virus must have been crawling inside his mask for protection from the rain.

205900 ▶▶▶▶ Morse, replying to ConstantBees, 16, #91 of 1695 🔗

I actually saw a guy at a pedestrian crossing in the pouring rain, pick up a leaf off the floor and press the crossing button with it and then threw it on the floor. My wife and I were in stiches of laughter at the lunacy of it, imagining the numerous other bacteria of dog pi$$ and god knows what it probably had on it. They have done a real job on the masses, common sense and logic are no longer in action.

205995 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Morse, 5, #92 of 1695 🔗

Unfortunately, it’s those brainwashed masses who are now keeping us in this mess.

206047 ▶▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Morse, 3, #93 of 1695 🔗

Confession, in the early days when much of the talk was about the virus being on surfaces, I wore gloves for such things as pressing crossing buttons. I can’t remember when I stopped wearing them, maybe late April.

206066 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Edward, 3, #94 of 1695 🔗

I did think about the risks of pressing the button in the very early days, and would wash my hands at first opportunity (with soap and water – none of this alcohol gel rubbish). However as the data quickly confirmed the risks to be infinitesimal I stopped even thinking about it. The funny thing was that when approaching a crossing I would often notice people stepping into my slipstream, hoping to capitalise on me pressing the button for them.

206122 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Edward, 3, #95 of 1695 🔗

We never wore gloves but we did use our homemade hand-sanitiser after getting off the bus etc (oh happy days before the mandatory muzzles!) for a few weeks until we realised we were being irrational. 😉

BTW, Edward, I noticed in passing – looking for an image on a previous thread – that you’d posted directly to us a couple of days ago about your visit to New Mills and Whaley Bridge. Apologies for missing it at the time. We visit Whaley Bridge fairly regularly and I think you may have been unlucky. We do see some muzzles on the street but really not many and it’s very rare to see them on the canal path.

If you come up this way again, consider letting us know and we could meet up for a coffee somewhere. MW and AG

206253 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ fgygrgrygergiherge, replying to Edward, #96 of 1695 🔗

I bet that though you wore gloves you never approved of lockdown though. There is a big difference between thinking that a minor inconvenience of gloves is “worth it” to stop an, at the time thought, rather significant but not particularly dangerous, and thinking that destroying society is worth it to stop such a virus, or thinking as the lockdownists now insist, that shutting down society is worth it to stop a virus which for most “sufferers” is not flu-like but milder than a common cold.

205807 ▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Eddie, 12, #97 of 1695 🔗

I sometimes believe some people actually love wearing them, I cannot explain otherwise why you see people with them on where even the diktats do not require them. I went to a cash machine the other day, located at a supermarket. Got back to my car and just watched people leaving the supermarket, some were whipping them off as soon as exiting, others kept them on, even while emptying their groceries into the car, and some drove off with them still stuck to their faces. A group were chatting outside, all masked up, mostly with those cheap, black stretchy things … think I will stick to online ordering.

205827 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Nsklent, 8, #98 of 1695 🔗

I agree, why would you wear one even when there is no need to, yet so many do. They must really love them.

205915 ▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Bella Donna, 5, #99 of 1695 🔗

Conformity – see Asch experiment – and virtue signalling.

205970 ▶▶▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to Nsklent, 10, #100 of 1695 🔗

Read an article in my local rag (owned by REACH plc who has the monopoly over most of the local newspapers around the country, so no surprise there) that a man had been removed from a big shopping centre for refusing to wear a mask as he had an exemption, and was subsequently thrown out of the centre by police and security. The exact full story was, as usual not given but it was the comments that were truly sickening, purportedly from the general public and overwhelmingly baying for this man’s blood for putting THEIR lives in danger! They wanted all exemptions removed and for people to be banned from leaving the house if they don’t wear a mask! Normally these articles barely attract any comments but this one seemed to attract every single coronaphobe in the county. The thumbs ups were in hundreds, anyone who dared to oppose this was verbally slaughtered by the righteous and holier-than-thou mask devotees. As I’m reading though I’m getting a whiff of something mechanical about the comments and how similarly dreary they all sound, all them parroting from each other. 77th Brigade, anyone, or troll bots? As I say it’s Reach-owned and I know how they operate. But to average Joe they will suck all this up and believe it to be true.

206096 ▶▶▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to HelenaHancart, 4, #101 of 1695 🔗

It’s not a term that I seen used in the comments on this website but it’s called “astroturfing”: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/astroturfing

It’s a technique that I have seen used time and time again by the anti-smoking lobby. As you note there is a certain “mechanisation” about the comments, almost as if they are picking them off a list.

206133 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 3, #102 of 1695 🔗

I think you’re both right. These kind of articles and the comments are almost certainly fabricated. They seem to abound in these syndicated gutter-press not-at-all-local rags. Even if there’s some truth behind the incident, there is obviously more to it and, as you say, it is a good example of astroturfing. 77th Brigade or similar will be responsible for the fake comments. MW

206433 ▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to HelenaHancart, 2, #103 of 1695 🔗

I reckon that the SS are flooding sites with cut and paste flames because the narrative is beginning to suffer’

205606 mattghg, replying to mattghg, -5, #104 of 1695 🔗

Today’s first item isn’t a point in the sceptics’ favour AFAICT. The implication is that the NHS could very well have been overwhelmed if it hadn’t adopted this grizzly triage system.

205612 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to mattghg, 15, #105 of 1695 🔗

Their argument is always going to be “if we hadn’t done it, everything would have been much worse”. Rubbish of course, but impossible to disprove, so we have to focus on the here and now, and win people over that way rather than raking over the wouldas and shouldas.

205684 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, -1, #106 of 1695 🔗

The logic’s a bit tighter this time. People weren’t sent to hospital. If they had been, the hospitals would have been fuller. I don’t see how you can argue with that.

205798 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to mattghg, 18, #107 of 1695 🔗

That’s the logic of the madhouse.
We won’t treat you because we may be become overwhelmed and not be able to treat you.

205811 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 4, #108 of 1695 🔗

This is not new.
A few years ago my daughter needed treatment but because they couldn’t give her an appointment in 4 weeks which was the rule at the time they wouldn’t offer an appointment.

206057 ▶▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #109 of 1695 🔗

It’s a bit like buying new clothes or other items and not using them to avoid them wearing out – I have known people with that attitude.

205708 ▶▶ dpj, replying to mattghg, 20, #110 of 1695 🔗

But at the same time all the new temporary hospitals that were built to cope with potential overcrowding were barely or never used. The one at SECC in Glasgow was never used and is in process of being dismantled now which makes no sense if things are allegedly getting out of control up here again.

205718 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to dpj, 6, #111 of 1695 🔗

Our local Covvie stash occupies part of a holiday camp (Bluestone). Its identity is concealed by naming it only in Welsh at the gates.
It has never been used. We are told that holidaymakers were all really enthusiastic about it all through the summer.
I wonder if they’d have been so keen if it had been full of Covvies.

206520 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to annie, #112 of 1695 🔗

That’s an old trick. Like the dual pricing in Thailand. They use Khmer numerals to announce the prices (100 baht) to Thais and Arabic numerals to foreigners (800 baht). Warms the cockles of the heart

205717 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to mattghg, 18, #113 of 1695 🔗

It’s worth reading the Amnesty International report to place this into context. The reason why so many people in old people’s homes got ill is because of the lockdown and taking infected patients out of hospital and seeding the homes. It’s likely there would have been tens of thousands fewer deaths if we’d done nothing.

205819 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to kenadams, 11, #114 of 1695 🔗

And every country did the same. It was orchestrated to kill off as many elderly people as possible, I am convinced it was the Agenda, and not content with doing it once they want to do it again!

205923 ▶▶▶▶ dpj, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #115 of 1695 🔗

If you were creating a virus in a lab to reduce population and improve overall health then one which killed only elderly, obese and people with serious illnesses already and was relatively harmless to almost everyone else you would think you’d done a good job.

206702 ▶▶▶▶▶ chris c, replying to dpj, #116 of 1695 🔗


And the corollary is why are there so many obese/diabetic/seriously ill people now compared to in the recent past?

And why the increase only since high carb low fat diets were invented and the only fat you were allowed was industrially produced omega 6 seed oils?

We are told to eat the most profitable diet and then we need the most profitable drugs as antidotes. Then we die prematurely of covid so we don’t collect our pensions. What could possibly go right?

205736 ▶▶ R G, replying to mattghg, 5, #117 of 1695 🔗

Surely you jest, our NHS is envied the world over.

206259 ▶▶▶ fgygrgrygergiherge, replying to R G, #118 of 1695 🔗

Envied by managers of other health services who are irritated by having to put larger proportions of their money in to frontline staff rather than growing their backroom bureaucracies.

206000 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to mattghg, 7, #119 of 1695 🔗

The NHS ran at no more than 40% capacity during the “pandemic” and that unused 60% cost the lives of many thousands. The “triage” amounted to “clear off if you’re not here to die of Covid.” So you can stuff your triage where it belongs.

206034 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Rowan, 1, #120 of 1695 🔗

Do you have a source for that statistic?

And please calm down, it’s not *my* triage.

206776 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to mattghg, #121 of 1695 🔗

Read the Nurses’s story here on LS and then do your own research, as it seems you have plenty more to do. About triage, why are you pushing the government’s ludicrous fairy tale, that we’ve all heard a thousand times before? In case you haven’t noticed this site is called Lockdown Sceptics.

207190 ▶▶▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Rowan, #122 of 1695 🔗

You specifically said the NHS was at most at 40% capacity. Let me repeat: do you have a source for that statistic? Or did you pull it out of your ar$e?

I’ve read every post on this site since mid-July. So yes, I’ve read that nurse’s testimony. And I believe it. But that’s one nurse in one hospital. I have a cousin who tells a very different story of the hospital where she worked, and you must realise there are plenty of stories like that too. You can’t reasonably dismiss then all as propaganda.

The restrictions on ordinary life we’re living through are horrifying and unjustified. But we don’t do ourselves any favours by endorsing every self-contradictory set of “sceptical” arguments we can think of.

206883 ▶▶▶ we.got.played, replying to Rowan, 2, #123 of 1695 🔗

I can attest to this , the beds on my ward were half empty for months… they created an extra theatre list to play catch up about two months ago, it has now been cancelled because they know we’re gonna get hit by Covid again’
We weren’t hit the first fucking time.
They have deliberately restricted treatment and kept beds empty ..
Let’s call it what it is:
institutionalised medical neglect.
I said it out loud to the Nurses last night and watched the expressions on their faces as it started to sink in.
Now hopefully they can experience feeling as demoralised and disgusted as I do.
If anyone knows of a network of NHS workers organising against this please help me get in touch with them .

206446 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to mattghg, 3, #124 of 1695 🔗

There is evidence that they would not have been overwhelmed if early-stage treatments such as HCQ had not been denied.

206783 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to PastImperfect, #125 of 1695 🔗

They were never overwhelmed, there was always capacity, even if the treatments were generally poor.

205607 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 4, #126 of 1695 🔗

Since its Sunday
I think this may have had an appearance some mo ths ago.
Search YouTube ‘ dead zone 2003 ‘
Click 2nd vid called ‘preview ‘ but it’s either a very amateur preview or a mash up

Key words

From China
Wear a mask
(Exponential chart in background)
Qtip test

Spooky or spoof ?

205613 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to karenovirus, 2, #127 of 1695 🔗

In plain sight

206116 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to karenovirus, 1, #128 of 1695 🔗

Someone knew their stuff. But it was just a film ……………

206418 ▶▶ DomW, replying to karenovirus, 2, #129 of 1695 🔗


From the video the line “Chloroquine suppresses the enzymes”

The link below (which relates to Sars, from research carried out in 2005) indicates that Chloroquine has direct action on ACE-2, which is considered as the receptor used by Sars-CoV (and Sars-Cov2) into cells, and so inhibits the ability of the virus to enter the cells. ACE-2 is actually an *enzyme* that happens to sit on the membrane of these cells.


“the drug appears to interfere with terminal glycosylation of the cellular receptor, angiotensin-converting enzyme 2. This may negatively influence the virus-receptor binding and abrogate the infection”

205610 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 19, #130 of 1695 🔗

As to whether the news is encouraging or not this morning, we still have to play the long game. And the attached cannot, surely, be great for public support of Welsh Labour or the lockdownistas.

205617 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #131 of 1695 🔗

Fine, so they will go back to buying grandads birthday card at the corner store.

205628 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 28, #132 of 1695 🔗

I seem to recall how proud I was of Wales just a few months ago. No mask mandate and great reports here of the English folks popping over for a break from coronaphobia.
And now this…

205631 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Eddie, 21, #133 of 1695 🔗

Boycott the supermarkets as much as possible for rolling over on this instead of leading the resistance as they should have done.

205634 ▶▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to karenovirus, 10, #134 of 1695 🔗

Big retail can always be counted on to play by the rules, especially when a few govt lawyers could take them down for non compliance.

206263 ▶▶▶▶▶ fgygrgrygergiherge, replying to Eddie, 1, #135 of 1695 🔗

Big retail is in a perfect position to break rules and be untouchable, what government is going to dare to take down the thing which keeps people fed, bread and circuses remember. if the bread supply decides not to obey diktats, refuses court demands, defies fines… what precisely dare a government do to them? Guess it has to fall to heroic members of the public like Gwilym Owen to do something about this crap, you should look in to how to help him.

205720 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to karenovirus, 17, #136 of 1695 🔗

The supermarkets should realise and fast that “We was only following orders” don’t wash anymore since 1946.

As I’ve said before I don’t understand why they’ve never fought this from the word go and many of their staff even resorted to bullying and harassing customers under the guise of yep, “we was only following orders.”

Boycott is the only language they understand. When people vote with their feet and wallets, they will do a U turn.

205644 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Eddie, 29, #137 of 1695 🔗

Before the Covid bollox, I was proud of Wales, enthusiastic about all things Welsh, proud to live here and proud to say I could speak the language after some zealous study. And proud of my half-Welsh blood.
Now the whole lot makes me feel sick. Hearing the NHS-worshipping goons caterwauling the national anthem was utterly revolting, and since then the meanness, the cretinous conformity, the cowardice, the stupidity, the nasty anglophobia and general moronic subhumanity that surround me have finished the job. I’m ashamed of being half Welsh.
And I’m not too proud of my English half either.

205980 ▶▶▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to annie, 3, #138 of 1695 🔗

It’s not the country or the people (although I’m starting to worry about many people’s mindsets right now) but the government’s desire to completely destroy us a nation.

206130 ▶▶▶▶ Fiat, replying to annie, 2, #139 of 1695 🔗

Boy am I proud of my Swedish roots

206514 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Eddie, 3, #140 of 1695 🔗

Be proud of Wales, it’s the most beautiful and welcoming country. Just get rid of those criminals in the assembly!

205716 ▶▶ court, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #141 of 1695 🔗

North Wales BTP have been communicating like collaborators. https://mobile.twitter.com/BTPNorthWales/status/1320080720375799808 They’ve had to delete one tweet you can see in this thread that they double down in. They’re getting rightly pilloried.

205779 ▶▶▶ Bill h, replying to court, 9, #142 of 1695 🔗


The tweets are not pulling any punches, and there are very very few in support of the police position.

The tide is turning more quickly.

205813 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Bill h, 2, #143 of 1695 🔗

And about time too!

205871 ▶▶▶▶ Sue, replying to Bill h, 3, #144 of 1695 🔗

yes the tweets are absolutely slamming the BTP – think their PR department need to rethink their use of twitter.
I think (hope) wales have tipped people of the edge with their stupid dictats and people see the scam!

206014 ▶▶ Salopian, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #145 of 1695 🔗

Get well soon !

205618 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 37, #146 of 1695 🔗

Re NHS staff being ‘offered’ the vaccine first.
A large proportion of NHS staff routinely refuse the normal winter flu jab despite coming under enormous pressure from management to do so.
They will know better than most that no novel vaccine can be regarded as safe until it has been field tested for years.
Will be interesting to see their uptake of it.

205625 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to karenovirus, 18, #147 of 1695 🔗

Who will do their work if the vaccine is a killer?
It strikes me as completely insane to vaccinate all key workers first with this rushed crap.
Whilst it’s merely unethical to use the vulnerable as Guinea pigs.
Or, they will all get placebos anyway, like the politicians will for sure.
The virus can be eradicated and the placebo vaccine be deemed an efficient and safe success, simply by standardizing the PCR tests to a suitable Primer and low ct number.
Another indication for that is the vaccine patriotism: in a real pandemic, no one would care where the antidote came from, and efforts would be bundled.

205653 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Jay Berger, 29, #148 of 1695 🔗

That’s why the propaganda doesn’t say ‘Get vaccinated and it will save your life.’ It says ‘Get vaccinated and maybe we’ll let you out
of the concentration camp.’

205993 ▶▶▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to annie, 7, #149 of 1695 🔗

‘then you’ll get ill and die later’ is what they’re NOT saying!

205945 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Jay Berger, #150 of 1695 🔗

They’re not genuinely interested in looking after our health, so if there are fewer healthcare workers that’s fine by them.

206035 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Rosie, 4, #151 of 1695 🔗

I heard a few medical people say this over the years, the doctors are not trained to look for cause of illness or actually cure it, they are just trained to treat it.
So that Pharma can make lots of money.

206721 ▶▶▶▶▶ chris c, replying to Silke David, 1, #152 of 1695 🔗

They’re not all bad. I knew a consultant back in the eighties who noted that many “genetic” diseases were becoming more common so there must be an environmental factor expressing the genes. He had also pretty much worked out “metabolic syndrome”, but this was back in the eighties so naturally he believed (saturated) fat was to blame. Oh well.

After the head of our local practice retired she recommended a particular doctor. He turned out to be a divot but had obviously memorised all NICE guidance and PCT rules and didn’t think anything else was required.

Interesting how many competent doctors (Michael Eades, Richard Bernstein) trained as engineers. Then there are engineers like Ivor Cummins who know more than many trained doctors . . .

206713 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Jay Berger, 2, #153 of 1695 🔗

There is no need for a vaccine according to what Mike Yeadon said in the Delingpole podcast. This is because the recovery rate is 99.9% also a vaccine will only treat symptoms, it will not stop infection or of course possible death.
I agree that a placebo may be what they actually plan to exit the madness

205629 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to karenovirus, 9, #154 of 1695 🔗

Lucky them eh? I’d imagine you’ll be unemployed by refusing this early batch. Water, sugar and food colouring surely are the only ingredients. They can’t possibly have IT already…good lord

205672 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to karenovirus, 9, #155 of 1695 🔗

I know one high-up NHS staff member who refuses to take it out of safety concerns.

205676 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to karenovirus, 8, #156 of 1695 🔗

It will be interesting to see whether they try and engineer this so that it is effectively compulsory for them to get a jab in order to do their job?

205698 ▶▶▶ RichT, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #157 of 1695 🔗

I don’t think they would dare. They are short of staff as it is.

206727 ▶▶▶▶ chris c, replying to RichT, 3, #158 of 1695 🔗

A friend now retired was a high end nurse and went on to be manager of a care home (a good one). She had to have compulsory vaccinations to keep her jobs and noted some of them caused side effects. Interestingly some of the ones she had previously without problem caused side effects when later repeated, I think hep B and one of the flu vaccines

206033 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #159 of 1695 🔗

If they do, they’ll have to use a saline solution.
Great way to convince the public that the “real thing” is safe!

206268 ▶▶▶▶ fgygrgrygergiherge, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #160 of 1695 🔗

In which case they might as well have done that in April: roll up your sleeves folks, here’s some vaccine (pure dihydrogen monoxide with special NaCl additives). Then they could have ensured every PCR tests done anywhere afetr that point gave a negative result, they could have convinced people the virus had been wiped out, it is mild enough, and gives complications only in those near death anyway, that no-one looking at the hospital use and excess death stats since May would see any indication of an ongoing pandemic.

205706 ▶▶ Will, replying to karenovirus, 8, #161 of 1695 🔗

It is a BS piece of propaganda; all part of the process to soften up the populace for a vaccine.

205721 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to karenovirus, 1, #162 of 1695 🔗

Can they sue if something bad happens to them after taking the vaccine?

205750 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #163 of 1695 🔗

There is no recourse without power.

205785 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #164 of 1695 🔗

I expect there is clause in their contract saying no.

Workers with adults with learning difficulties have to sign waivers in case of being injured by clients challenging behaviour

206153 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #165 of 1695 🔗

No but you can claim through this:


205619 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 52, #166 of 1695 🔗

Thousands of our vulnerable elderly shuffled out of their armchairs every Thursday evening to clap for an NHS that was secretly plotting to let them die a painful, undignified death at home, simply because a few callous & inhumane panjandrums decided that they weren’t worth saving.

“Don’t kill Granny – that’s our job”

205632 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to Scotty87, 9, #167 of 1695 🔗

Well when you’re at war and the wounded are overflowing your capacity to treat them all, you treat only those worth saving and leave the mortally wounded to die.

In this war, covid casualties are the only priority and the politics of saving just one life do not extend to all those other pesky ways that people suffer and die.

205899 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Scotty87, 9, #168 of 1695 🔗

NHS: Don’t kill Granny – that’s our job

this could be a great poster

206329 ▶▶ Allen, replying to Scotty87, 2, #169 of 1695 🔗

Highly recommend this video with Randy Hillier a Canadian MPP. In the first 20 minutes he goes into the specifics of what happened in the long term care centers in Canada.

He gets into the details of the administrative aspects of how direct decisions were made that brought about the slaughter of thousands in nursing homes. Those mass deaths of the elderly were not simply brought on by medical malpractice, though there was plenty of that, there decidedly was not some aberrant viral event, these deaths were caused by the result of calculated policy directives that were made.

These very same policy directives, or some variant of, were pushed forth and followed in numerous locales across the globe resulting in the piling up of bodies throughout care centers.

These decisions need to be investigated everywhere they occurred and the course of those directives needs to be exposed.

Sorry folks but this was not just sheer “stupidity” or “accidental.” These were crimes.


205620 karenovirus, 19, #170 of 1695 🔗

Tory MP makes disgraceful comment about pubs and cafes offers to provide children with free lunches during holidays after the government decided not to.

North Devon MP Selaine Saxby posted on Facebook
‘I am delighted local businesses bounced back so much after lockdown that they are able to give food away for free and hope that they will not be asking for any more government support.’

The Apology is in todays Local Live online
(Mirror group news).

The post has been deleted but “regrets” expressed by the MP has sparked even more anger after she claimed her comment had been ‘taken out of context’.
(Oh really Selaine, so what was the real context ?)
The rest of her apology was anything but, just moans about the recent level of abuse levelled at her ‘and my staff’ (no Selaine, it’s aimed at you, your staff just open the envelopes).

This is not intended to reopen the debate about free school meals but to illustrate once more how our governing class is so out of touch.

205624 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 4, #171 of 1695 🔗

The London demo in Toby’s text.
Late yesterday LS contributor Basics posted a link to Mahyar Tousys YouTube report on this ( he posted 2, both well worth watching).

The Mail report linked by Toby has no comments, why might that be ?

205630 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 2, #172 of 1695 🔗

There is a short vid on sky news YouTube

‘Coronovirus Hundreds attend anti lockdown protest in London’

From the comments
1. There were thousands
2. Sky news ‘there are hundreds of fish in the sea’
And dozens more like that.

206058 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to karenovirus, 1, #173 of 1695 🔗

Louise from SORUK posted a video describing how the demo was over and most people had started to drift off homewards. She said there were a few groups still hanging about the Square chatting. Lots of ordinary police there but as far as I’m aware, the SPG arrived when it was all pretty much over.
I wasn’t there, so am just going on alternative video footage but here’s a still from Louise’s closing video.
If I can find the video again, I’ll post it.

205635 2 pence, replying to 2 pence, 20, #174 of 1695 🔗

I happen to know a thing or two about masks and safety. Why? Because for 25 years I was the editor of an award-winning trade magazine called HazMat Management that covered such topics as pollution prevention and compliance with health & safety laws. We routinely published articles on masks, gloves, respirators and other forms of personal protective equipment (PPE). Now let me tell you a few things about that mask you’re wearing.


205637 ▶▶ annie, replying to 2 pence, 15, #175 of 1695 🔗

I’m not wearing it.
I’m going to print out some copies of that article to give to friends who are brung forced to poison themselves in order to keep their jobs. They can pass it on to the swine who do the forcing.

205643 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, 5, #176 of 1695 🔗

Screenshot for the same purpose.

205639 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to 2 pence, 1, #177 of 1695 🔗

Might that account for some people who have never smoked dying of lung cancer ?

206124 ▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to karenovirus, 4, #178 of 1695 🔗

<snigger> In 10 or 20 years time the health outcomes of the mask wearers might be indistinguishable from me as a smoker. Yeah, fuck ’em.

As a side note smoking has never definitively been proven to cause lung cancer it remains a statistical probability of increased risk.

205642 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to 2 pence, 11, #179 of 1695 🔗

This should be sent to every teacher in the land.

205669 ▶▶ TJN, replying to 2 pence, 34, #180 of 1695 🔗

Concluding section:

… let me just state this doesn’t end for me when the lockdown ends or the masking ends. No, this ends for me when every politician and bureaucrat who inflicted this travesty, this crime against humanity, on the population of Canada (and other affected countries) is in the dock, and faces their misdeeds in a court of law.

And as for those of you who have put masks on young children, I will have a long memory on that score. A very long memory.

I’ll second those thoughts. And if necessary help crowd-fund the prosecutions.

205675 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to TJN, 12, #181 of 1695 🔗

Me too.

205710 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to TJN, 14, #182 of 1695 🔗

Yes, I am prepared to dedicate the remainder of my life (I am over 70) to helping to bring these miscreants to justice.

205691 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to 2 pence, 12, #183 of 1695 🔗

Thank you for this. The next time I am harrangued by some mask-wearing zealot at work, I shall have great pleasure in quoting from this.

205694 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to kh1485, 19, #184 of 1695 🔗

Talking of work, two of my young Saturday staff decided to wear masks: I wish they hadn’t but I suspect it’s pressure from their parents as, prior to the diktat, both were avowed sceptics and were quite happy to be maskless.

I’ve noticed with both of them that they are incredibly pale and one, in particular, is quite listless. It breaks my heart to see them masked up. The other maskless member of staff meanwhile looks the picture of health.

206158 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to kh1485, 3, #185 of 1695 🔗

If they ahem a greys tinge as well ti sounds like the problem is due to increasing CO2 in their breaths.

205695 ▶▶ chaos, replying to 2 pence, 2, #186 of 1695 🔗

AFAIA operation rooms are not supplied with extra oxygen per se but they maintain positive air pressure to keep out nasties from the rest of the hospital. In other words ‘bad air’ from the rest of the hospital; is pushed out by the positive air in the operating room. A bit like some people will do with a desktop computer to keep out dust. Negative pressure in a computer (more fans sucking out than in) = better airflow, better cooling, but dust gets into the computer over time meaning poorer cooling. Positive air pressure (more fans sucking in than out) and cooling is slightly compromised but less dust is brought into the case (as long as you have filters on the front fans) meaning better cooling over time.

I am happy to be told I am wrong.

205941 ▶▶▶ Geordie Sceptics, replying to chaos, 2, #187 of 1695 🔗

Wouldnt you need to supply the room with extra oxygen to maintain positive air pressure?
As in Pump more air in than leaks out, like PC cases

206082 ▶▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Geordie Sceptics, #188 of 1695 🔗

Air is pumped in, not oxygen.

205727 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to 2 pence, 6, #189 of 1695 🔗

Thanks for this. Have saved it and am tempted to leave copies in my work staff room.

205733 ▶▶▶ 2 pence, replying to Bart Simpson, 10, #190 of 1695 🔗

No problem.
I checked his bio, he is genuine.

Guy Crittenden is an award-winning journalist and author with special experience in industrial ecology and the evolving circular economy.
The founding editor of environmental business magazines HazMat Management an  d Solid Waste & Recycling decades ago is returning to help organizations with their communication, PR and strategic planning needs

205746 ▶▶ LS99, replying to 2 pence, 5, #191 of 1695 🔗

Thank, an excellent read – it’s worse than I thought tbh.

206131 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to 2 pence, 2, #192 of 1695 🔗

…. the emerging science of virology now understands that viruses aren’t even passed person to person . I know that sounds incredible, but it’s the case that the virus is in the air, you breath it in, there’s no way to prevent that short of living in an oxygen tent, and if you have a strong immune system you’ll be fine, and if you have a weak immune system you may have to deal with the effects of your immune system working to restore balance within your metabolism.

206740 ▶▶▶ chris c, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #193 of 1695 🔗

Yes how to have a robust immune system is the key factor missing in all of the mainstream bollocks. And probably the most important thing you can do

205636 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 23, #194 of 1695 🔗

From the roundup ‘how the MEAN psychologists got us to comply’.
Coming to LS from personal blogs that tend to be right of centre, climate sceptic and pro Brexit I presumed that most here would be similar but was quickly proven to be wrong.
Not only are our politics diverse so are our backgrounds and circumstances.
What is it about being lockdown sceptics that makes us so ?

My personal dislike is being ‘nudged for my own good’ or lied to in truth.
Whenever I see an ordinary member of the public with a regional accent talking at me straight to camera I know I’m being bolloxed.
Same goes whenever I see a government slogan in three parts which always reminds me of
Ein Volk Ein Reich Ein Furhrer.

The particular lie that woke me up to The Great Deception was seeing ambulances tearing around empty lockdown streets with sirens blaring for the sole purpose of ramping up the atmosphere of fear.
I first assumed that they were taking covids to hospital but from Toby’s lead item seems they were taking non Covid bodies to the morgue.

205638 ▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 24, #195 of 1695 🔗

I’ve often wondered why we are immune.
It’s as if covimbecility were a mental virus to which we are, for some reason, resistant.

205664 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to annie, 23, #196 of 1695 🔗

There are various theories on assessing personality types, all praised by some and derided by others but overall they all tend to indicate that there is only a minority of people whose natural reaction is to challenge the status quo, people who never progressed beyond the toddler stage of asking ‘why’ about everything. People who see no reason why we cannot overturn things and do it all differently, people who are inclined to come up with innovative solutions.
Society needs these people but not too many of them, if everyone was like that society would never work. When we had a go at this sort of personality assessment at work I always came out on the challenging freethinking innovating end of the spectrum. They agreed they needed people like me but not too many of them they could not cope! I suspect this site has a high proportion of people who fall into this category of personality types.

205666 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #197 of 1695 🔗

It,s a good thing there aren’t too many of us, then!

205773 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #198 of 1695 🔗

A former employer tried one of those personality tests to aid in recruiting the sales force.
It didn’t seem very conclusive so after 12 months they tested the personalities of the 5 top long term sales people.
Each of them were completely different.
Test abandoned

205870 ▶▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to karenovirus, 6, #199 of 1695 🔗

I think personality tests are all made up guff to give the HR types a justification for their hiring and so they can run training courses that further justify their existence.

205782 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #200 of 1695 🔗

The curious v. the incurious.

206582 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to annie, 2, #201 of 1695 🔗

I very rarely watch TV and if I do it is a drama like “Father Brown” on catch up. If I watched the news I’d be throwing my laptop through the window. My former cleaner was reduced to quivering wreck by the news.

206787 ▶▶▶ chris c, replying to annie, 2, #202 of 1695 🔗

Personally it’s Aspergers.

The part of my brain that deals with social behaviour is broken and I have no conception of the importance of social conformity or social status, let alone ties, hats or football. Also my motor control is affected.

The upside is that I have an obsession with patterns and detail and can easily spot when something is wrong,

205649 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to karenovirus, 14, #203 of 1695 🔗

Critical thinkers as opposed to sponges. Always starting at the sceptical stage I find is a good way to be, you convince me rather than the other way around.

205687 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to karenovirus, 27, #204 of 1695 🔗

In my own particular case, it was something that happened when I was at school. I mentioned it here several months ago. I refused to take part in something which I did not believe in nor wanted to take part in. For that act of seeming defiance, I was humiliated and bullied by a teacher who should have known better (though he declined to mete out the same treatment to a similarly sceptic young lad!).

From that moment on, I decided that I would not follow the herd for a quiet life and that I would stick to what I believed. This has over the years got me into trouble, made me unpopular and marks me out to be somewhat a maverick/loner (eg. not conforming to the BID crap and being a LS) but, at the end of the day, I remain true to what I believe.

205690 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to kh1485, 20, #205 of 1695 🔗

For me it was 911. I was a researcher at Imperial College in the Mech Eng Dept at the time. Not one of us could understand why the THREE steel framed skycrapers all came down into their own footprint at freefall or near freefall speeds. No idea who was flying the planes. But demolition was used to make the wound appear greater.

205707 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to kh1485, 16, #206 of 1695 🔗

Similar for me. I was bullied and ostracised in school because I was good at academic subjects, but hopeless at games. The converse would have made me a class idol.p. I suppose I just got used to being in a minority of one and having to do my own thinking,

205725 ▶▶▶ dpj, replying to kh1485, 14, #207 of 1695 🔗

Similar for me. The more I got laughed at at school for daring to not follow the herd the lower my opinion of those laughing at me became and more determined I was to never give in. I have carried on with that attitude ever since. There are a large number of people I work with who regularly insult me for refusing to go out binge drinking with them, some of whom are in 40s or 50s. If any of them ever end up in hospital for alcohol related reasons they will get both barrels of ‘I told you so’ speech from me. At the end of the day it’s everyone’s own decision how to lead their life but they want to deny me that right.
It would be the same if someone had a go at me for not wearing a mask, refused to have a proper discussion about it and then they ended up unwell due to mask wearing.

205730 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to dpj, 9, #208 of 1695 🔗

Oh, I totally get the not drinking thing. I stopped drinking about ten years ago (couldn’t deal with the hangovers). And when I thought about it, it dawned on me that I really didn’t like it anyway.

But, blimey, what stick you get when you say you don’t want a drink at a social gathering – as in, “you’re boring, aren’t you?”

205752 ▶▶▶▶▶ dpj, replying to kh1485, 7, #209 of 1695 🔗

This is a bit off topic but the irony is that I actually work for a spirits company. As part of our staff ‘code of conduct’ we are supposed to promote responsible drinking. At one point I met with two members of our main company board and had a really good discussion about this as I had got the impression that it was all talk and very little action. Shortly afterwards they put out a really good memo ahead of Christmas party season to all staff which contained a lot of the stuff from our discussion. I then got told off by my department manager for encouraging two other members of staff in team who were talking about how drunk they were intending to get at Christmas lunch to read it. One them actually replied that the board ‘could stick their memo up their a***’. The manager in question is usually one of the worst behaved so it was a classic example of ‘I believe in free speech as long as I agree with you’

205872 ▶▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to kh1485, 4, #210 of 1695 🔗

I took mineral water with me to a meetup yesterday. But then I probably was the most boring person in the group.

205778 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to dpj, 6, #211 of 1695 🔗

Pre video I was lightly mocked for often going to central London cinema clubs and not getting back to the local until gone 10pm. I was ‘accused’ of going to see porno movies when in reality I wanted more than what the Odeon and ABC cinemas had to offer.

206126 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to dpj, 7, #212 of 1695 🔗

My path with alcohol is unusual. In my student days I reacted against the drinking culture and didn’t drink alcohol at all, also being against it on health grounds. However on some continental holidays I would have a beer with a meal and came round to the view that this was a pleasant and civilised thing to do. There was also the “red wine in moderation is good for you” thing. I rarely have alcohol at home but enjoyed a glass of wine with a restaurant meal or a pint of beer in a pub – until all the ludicrous covid-related restrictions came in. It seems I can pretty much take or leave alcohol, but I would like pubs and restaurants to get back to normal.

206141 ▶▶▶▶▶ dpj, replying to Edward, 5, #213 of 1695 🔗

That’s a good healthy attitude to have. I don’t touch alcohol myself but have no issue with anyone having a glass or two of wine or beer with a meal, exactly the sort of responsible consumption I am supposed to promote (see my other post).
I really have no time for those that go out with intention of consuming large quantities of alcohol. Ignoring the health aspects of it I just find them embarrassing to be in company of.

205762 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to kh1485, 13, #214 of 1695 🔗

Don’t believe them
Don’t believe them
Question everything you’re told

Stiff Little Fingers, Suspect Device , 1978

Heard it when I was a kid and it stayed with me.

Doesn’t make for an easy life, but once you get it you have no choice.

PS. One of the verses:

They take away our freedom
In the name of liberty
Why can’t they all just clear off
Why can’t they let us be
They make us feel indebted
For saving us from hell
And then they put us through it
It’s time the bastards fell

205775 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to TJN, 2, #215 of 1695 🔗

Had the album, got the CD.

205780 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to TJN, 2, #216 of 1695 🔗

No, it certainly doesn’t make for an easy life.

Again, I was very untrendy in 1978 (more into ELO but that’s because I fancied Bev Bevan!) – didn’t listen to any SLF but gosh, how prescient …

206286 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to kh1485, 2, #217 of 1695 🔗

Also Mr Lydon:

Blind acceptance is a sign
of stupid fools who stand in line

Pistols, EMI , 1977

206199 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to TJN, #218 of 1695 🔗
206283 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Cheezilla, #219 of 1695 🔗

That’s the album version, preferred by a lot of people as it’s rawer. I actually preferred the single version:


Still got a couple of copies of the single, and the album

The B side, Wasted Life is also great, and contains another apposite verse for now:

Still they come up to me
With a different name but same old face
I can see the connection
With another time and another place
They ain’t blonde-haired or blue-eyed
But they think that they’re the master race
They’re nothing but blind fascists
Brought up to hate and given lives to waste

205784 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to kh1485, 3, #220 of 1695 🔗

I don’t run with the herd either.

205738 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to karenovirus, 11, #221 of 1695 🔗

In answer to your question, I think its because being the oldest of three sisters I bore the brunt of my parents going “one rule for you another one for your sisters.”

When I queried this, I was told that because I was the oldest, I was expected to set an example. Even then I thought this was bollocks and they didn’t like it when I fought back saying “your rules should apply to us three otherwise none at all.”

205776 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #222 of 1695 🔗


205760 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to karenovirus, 13, #223 of 1695 🔗

I’ve used this anecdote before but my guess is the majority of people on here are “watch wearers”:

When I was a child I used to wear a watch so I could tell the time. There was always someone who would constantly ask for the time and then ask again minutes later.

I would always think to myself, if the time is so important to you why don’t you get a watch?

This type of person grows up always relying on other people to get them through life. There will be exceptions as always, if you can get through life using other people as a shortcut then some may consider that smart.

However, for the majority they never educate themselves enough to be independent of others. I see it all the time now, mostly online as this is where it is most noticeable. Instead of searching for an answer the default is to ask somebody to give them the answer or find it for them.

Now I must admit that I no longer wear a watch but I certainly don’t need to ask somebody every 5 minutes for the time.

I am a “watch wearer”.

205768 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Nobody2020, 4, #224 of 1695 🔗

In the scouts some of us collected all the stuff you need for a comfortable life out camping.
Others did not. We did not lend them our stuff.

205967 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #225 of 1695 🔗

Nothing wrong with asking the time, as long as you keep your 2 metres distance.

206775 ▶▶▶▶ chris c, replying to Rowan, #226 of 1695 🔗
205791 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to karenovirus, 4, #227 of 1695 🔗

For me it was a couple of experiences in school when I was in year 4 (so I must’ve been 9).

One teacher tried to put makeup on me for a school play. I told her to do one. I think then (as now) the thing that surprised me was how everyone else just went along with it.

The other was a bullying, overly authoritarian supply teacher who was stepping outside of her bounds. The majority begrudgingly went along with it, but me and a couple of friends felt strongly – we spoke up and she got sacked.

I’d be more proud of my ability to resist if it were equalled by my ability to convince others to follow suit ha.

206101 ▶▶ Edward, replying to karenovirus, 4, #228 of 1695 🔗

I’m a bit of a multi-sceptic – eurosceptic (since the Maastricht Treaty), climate change sceptic (I believe there is some human influence on the climate but it’s being exaggerated and used to push various agendas), a dark matter/dark energy sceptic (my background is in maths and physics, no particular expertise in cosmology but the “experts” in that area seem to be excessively certain that dark matter is the only plausible explanation of the discrepancy between the observed amount of matter in the universe and observations of gravitational effects; they have postulated Weakly Interactive Massive Particles which is just a fancy way of saying the same thing, “we think there’s a lot of stuff around that we can’t detect in any way”. Other possible explanations are regarded as “fringe”.)
I seem to have wandered off topic. Of course I’m also a lockdown sceptic!

206304 ▶▶ VickyA, replying to karenovirus, 3, #229 of 1695 🔗

I started when I looked at 911 too. Far too many inconsistencies. And an “exercise” to defend against such an attack on the same day. Then 7/7 also had an “exercise” on the same day too. Playbook or coincidence?
Then you look at the whole history of medicine….and the suppression of natural health care.
But we have more power than we know. We are harnessing it in forums like these, marches, protests, conversations. Chip, chip, chip away all

206579 ▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to karenovirus, 2, #230 of 1695 🔗

I’m left leaning too. I dislike being told what to do.When I was a child every cold landed me in hospital with pneumonia, but my parents were told I should go out for walks in the fresh air. We had visitors as long as they were well. I smelled a rat when we were told to “Stay home and save lives” .It just made no sense. How dare they take my civil liberties to “protect” me from a virus when as a child any virus could kill me but I was not locked up.

207372 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cheshirecatslave, #231 of 1695 🔗

My mum trained as nurse during WW2. If I ever turned up sniffling she would chuck me in the garden saying what I needed was fresh air and sunshine.

205640 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 99, #232 of 1695 🔗

In his Talk Radio interview Peter Hitchens describes the fall of the totalitarian regimes of the Eastern Bloc. All powerful one momaent gone the next

After years of oppression the people rose up because they had nothing left to lose. All it took was a spark. Very often the leaders were oblivious to what was coming their way.

In Romania that moment was captured on film. All of a sudden, in a second the crowd stopped clapping and started booing

I have heard what I believe to be the tipping point. Mike Yeadon in a public forum has called Vallance a liar and challenged him to sue. The passion, honesty and integrity of Yeadon is inspiring. I do think this is the moment

The march will be back, twice the size it was yesterday. No amount of police battoning will now suppress the people

But what is it the end of? Simple answer. Thirty years of a corrupt and inept parliament stuffed with lying dishonest people. Corrupt to the core of their bones

So corrupt and dishonest that they thought they could get away with banning the sale of children’s clothes and kettles

So corrupt and dishonest that they thought it was ok to ban everyone else from having a drink after 10pm but ok for them to drink in their gilded palace after that time

Thirty years of the politicians corrupting every aspect of our public life from the BBC to the NHS and the courts

They have lied and cheated so much that they know no other way. Like Mr C they cannot see what is coming down the road towards them

205645 ▶▶ annie, replying to Cecil B, 27, #233 of 1695 🔗

It was Ceausescu who experienced that sudden revulsion, It ended with a bullet.
Mad Mark Dripfeed grows more like Ceausescu every day.

205647 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, 9, #234 of 1695 🔗

So did Colonel Gaddafi and he came to a very messy end.

206756 ▶▶▶ Crazy Times, replying to annie, #235 of 1695 🔗
205646 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, 9, #236 of 1695 🔗

Problem is what to replace them with ?
Was it Churchill who said something like ‘we’ve tried everything else and Democracy is the least bad option’?
This is what Democracy has brought us to.

205657 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to karenovirus, 7, #237 of 1695 🔗

At the risk of going off the Lockdown Sceptics agenda, in my view to protect the union of the UK we should reform the Government of this country, each region should be a devolved authority like Wales and Scotland, the whole panoply of County Councils and district councils needs reformation. The way the states run in the USA or the Landers run in Germany would be a step in the right direction. The south West of England where I live has a population and economy much the same size as Scotland, therefore no reason why we cannot run the same way as Scotland.
Previously the idea of regional government was done on the basis of an extra tier of Government, we need more radical change than that, less tiers of Government with a key focus on the Regions. Central government for Defense, security and Foreign affairs.
Getting back to the Virus; public health actions should be done on a regional/local/community basis by consensus and cooperation not authoritarian diktats from Downing Street.

205659 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Steve Martindale, 17, #238 of 1695 🔗

Interesting ideas. However, local diktats csn be just as authoritarian as central ones. Don’t we know it here, under Josef Stslin Dripfeed!

205689 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to annie, 6, #239 of 1695 🔗

Fair comment but I would be seeking for a policy of public health by consensus. local and community action and public cooperation with no public health actions done by authoritarian legal actions. If the authorities did not have the option of legal action on public health policy they would be forced to be more creative and progressive and to achieve objectives by positive actions not by negative restrictions.
Probably all a bit pie in the sky but I have just walked round our little plot of land in North Devon, picked a few of the last autumn raspberries to have with my breakfast muesli and feel like I am living in the Garden of Eden and so dreaming of utopia is easy to do!

205786 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Steve Martindale, 12, #240 of 1695 🔗

The American ideal of states controlling their own destinies was based on having a well-educated citizenry. In the 1800s, the economy was largely based on what would probably be called yeoman farmers who owned their own land. Most could read, were literate and well-(self)-educated, largely through reading books and pamphlets.

The famous Sullivan Ballou letter , written by a Union officer during the American Civil War, is an example of the level of literacy we had then. He was a lawyer and a politician, but our standards were higher in general back then.

Public health by consensus would have worked with that population. In fact, that was how public health was managed. Central authority was weak to non-existent.

Now educational standards are quite low. When I last taught in America, in Indiana in 2018, I was quite depressed by the low literacy and maths skills of the majority of the students. I compare that to when I started teaching in the late 70s when students were still capable of understanding complex ideas.

What we are seeing now is public health by consensus, through psychological manipulation of a population unable to understand complex information and with little ability to examine math and statistical data.

205864 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to ConstantBees, 23, #241 of 1695 🔗

The destruction of the grammars in this country has destroyed the education of millions of children.The result is a dumbed down population which is easier to manipulate.

206246 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to ConstantBees, 3, #242 of 1695 🔗

Those yeoman farmers could enjoy the King James’ Bible as light reading!

While a degree in PPE clearly doesn’t make you fit to govern, looking at the sheeple of today, I agree with your assessment CBees.

206403 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TT, replying to ConstantBees, 4, #243 of 1695 🔗

So true… I lately read a few older English books published around the turn of the 20th century (late 1800s / early 1900s), and it amazed me to what extent even ‘light’ literature (fiction) took for granted a level of culture from the audience that is simply unthinkable today. References to classical mythology that would leave today’s self-professed intellectuals scratching their heads in incomprehension, or to lesser-known philosophers whose ideads were apparently common knowledge back then, to local historical events and their repercussions, extensive metaphors referencing significant past political developments, etc. The average op-ed piece in today’s supposedly high-brow newspapers looks positively inane in comparison, whereas the ‘regular’ papers or the news are nothing short of infantile.by any standards. Not to mention the fact that many people seem to experience the world mainly through their smartphones nowadays (they don’t even look at what’s going on around them anymore). Yet another case of ‘garbage in, garbage out’ I fear…

206359 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #244 of 1695 🔗

I think pretty much the whole problem we have now is that way too much power has been given to total idiots. I don’t think we can have rule by consensus when the majority of the population are very ill informed very badly educated, know virtually nothing about anything at all.

I talked to a young guy (16-18?) a couple of weeks ago about a laptop issue on the phone and honestly I could hardly understand a word he was saying. It was incredible.

His language skills were just atrocious. I think he was a native English speaker but what he was saying wasn’t English it was slangy young person language. Like nothing I had ever heard before. So strange. I put it down to literally lack of speaking practice.

206948 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ James007, replying to Steve Martindale, #245 of 1695 🔗

Sounds lovely, wonderful part of the world.
Devolution has helped nationalism, and has been bad for the Union. The more power is devolved the more irrelevant Westminster seems. Westminster is blamed by nationalists seeking independence.
In theory, we are bound together as a nation by having MPs from every corner of the land in Westminster, rather than having separate little kingdoms. I would rather England was not split into separate states.

205665 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #246 of 1695 🔗

I could see some value in Super Counties responsible for public health, transport, education, infrastructure, emergency services, welfare and the like.

205668 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 2, #247 of 1695 🔗

Well worth debate, but what happens at the borders?

205761 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, 4, #248 of 1695 🔗

Guard towers and razor wire

205835 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to karenovirus, 4, #249 of 1695 🔗

‘A beautiful, big wall’ ?

205699 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nottingham69, replying to karenovirus, 3, #250 of 1695 🔗

Yes car free zones for the new nonsense e-scooters and bikes. The current system is bad but left wing super councils is one of the best things Maggie ended.

206257 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to karenovirus, 1, #251 of 1695 🔗

Aren’t our local NHS foundation trusts organised a bit like that now? We have to traipse about all over the county just to get a CT scan that my local dentist can do onsite.

205697 ▶▶▶▶ Nottingham69, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #252 of 1695 🔗

You are not so bad in the SW. There are many more Dripford’s who would love more power in the current County Councils. Giving that power to our council here is Nottingham would be a disaster of huge proportions. We only get small turnouts for anything but national elections in the UK, small turnout is mainly postal voting, where activists come and collect to dispatch. No thanks.

205704 ▶▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #253 of 1695 🔗

The SDP are supporters of further devolution. Worth having a look at their New Declaration on their website.

206216 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #254 of 1695 🔗

UK Column have been doing articles on this recently. They have been keeping an eye on it for several years.

It sounds really good in theory, especially when it’s so obvious how out of touch Whitehall is. However, UK Column make a strong case for its being more of a creeping global communist agenda in practice.

Interestingly, the aim is to start the creep in Cornwall.

If you think breaking up the UK into four separate countries is not necessarily a great idea, then imagine chopping England into even tinier pieces. Airstrip One accomplished!

Have a look here: https://www.metropolis.org/about-us

206255 ▶▶▶▶ Antonedes, replying to Steve Martindale, #255 of 1695 🔗

The model already exists, namely the Channel Islands. The 4 nations could manage their own affairs with the UK responsible for defence and foreign policy. Orkney and Shetland could enjoy autonomy from Voldemort (she who must not be named).

205757 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to karenovirus, 17, #256 of 1695 🔗

I’m all for parliamentary democracy. However that is not what we have now.

What we have is a corruption of parliamentary democracy

The default position from all MPs of whatever party is to lie. You only have to see them open their mouths to know what’s coming next

I accept there are a handful of exceptions like Mr Swayne and Philip Davies

They have got away with it for so long now they really thought they could imprison us without trial

They really thought they could get away with banning the sale of blankets and children’s clothes in winter

They must step aside

If they do not step aside, we will sweep them aside and woe betide them

205765 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Cecil B, 4, #257 of 1695 🔗

Once the blue touch paper is lit there will be no turning back.

205781 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Cecil B, 17, #258 of 1695 🔗

What this crisis has revealed is the utter corruption of our entire political establishment.From the 2 major parities who represent no one but their own greed and lust for power to our bought and paid for media mouthpieces.
The uselessness of the monarchy has been revealed and the rest of our institutions have been shown to be rotten to the core.
We are paying for years of neglect of the political process.

206281 ▶▶▶ fgygrgrygergiherge, replying to karenovirus, 2, #259 of 1695 🔗

What we need is libertarian democracy, democracy with limits on those in power ensuring they cannot intrude too far in to the lives of the masses, limits putting clear bounds on where a government has no ight to legislate. Any other type of democracy soon becomes a simple tyranny of the majority.

205712 ▶▶ Shep, replying to Cecil B, 4, #260 of 1695 🔗

They forgot that the ‘great reset’ includes thier removal by violent and sudden unilateral action that will be unstoppable. 😎

205763 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Cecil B, 3, #261 of 1695 🔗

Pitchforks and garrotes anyone?

205783 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to Cecil B, -48, #262 of 1695 🔗

I have heard what I believe to be the tipping point. Mike Yeadon in a public forum has called Vallance a liar and challenged him to sue. The passion, honesty and integrity of Yeadon is inspiring. I do think this is the moment

He may be passionate but he’s completely lost it now. He’s far too convinced that he’s 100% right. No-one can be that certain and, in any case. he has clearly over-estimated the level of immunity in the population – as has Sweden, by the way.

Note Carl Heneghan doesn’t indulge in Yeadon-like histrionics and is far more measured. He’s also been pretty quiet recently and I suspect he’s thinking that events are not unfolding exactly as he expected.

205802 ▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Mayo, 4, #263 of 1695 🔗

You’re an irony machine.

205810 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Mayo, 7, #264 of 1695 🔗

‘…. he has clearly over-estimated the level of immunity in the population – as has Sweden, by the way.’

What evidence are you relying on for that statement?

205817 ▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Tim Bidie, 4, #265 of 1695 🔗

No need to present evidence when he’s…

far too convinced that he’s 100% right.

205877 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Tee Ell, -10, #266 of 1695 🔗

Read his tweets. There’s never any room for doubt in his assertions.

205907 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ellis Bell, replying to Mayo, 4, #267 of 1695 🔗

That’s not true. He regularly says that he may be wrong and invites informed discussion

205882 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Tim Bidie, -20, #268 of 1695 🔗

Sweden’s case numbers are rising again. The UK’ s case numbers are rising. hospitalisations are rising and deaths are rising. The same has been happening in France & Spain for a while. It’s happening in Belgium the Netherlands, the Czech republic and several other countries.

205953 ▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Mayo, 10, #269 of 1695 🔗

Case numbers are rising again.

So bloody what?

Christ- don’t you know what the PCR test is?

206026 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to calchas, 7, #270 of 1695 🔗

Clearly Mayo has bought in to the PCR lie, the poor thing.

206215 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Mayo, 6, #271 of 1695 🔗

How are you defining ‘case’?

Overall all cause mortality in England from ONS latest weekly figures have been plumb normal for the time of year since the end of May.


206568 ▶▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Mayo, 4, #272 of 1695 🔗

“Case numbers are rising.”

I don’t mean to be rude, but… how can you be such a complete and utter moron? Are you really in the – admittedly large – group of ignorant, intellectually lazy people that haven’t yet understood positive tests don’t mean sick people?

I keep pointing out, we don’t have a government problem, we have a idiot population problem.

205863 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Mayo, 16, #273 of 1695 🔗

“He’s far too convinced that he’s 100% right. No-one can be that certain”

Apart from you.

205894 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Mayo, 14, #274 of 1695 🔗

I do think that Yeadon’s approach is likely to be a turn-off for believers, however much I value his opinions and admire him for taking a stand. I have no idea whether his estimation of immunity is more or less accurate than any other.

I don’t think Heneghan being quiet means much at all. As far as I can tell he is working tirelessly and methodically – quality over quantity. He probably also recognises that too much exposure makes it easy for people to tune out. Better to speak once you have something valuable to say.

205978 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Mayo, 12, #275 of 1695 🔗

So Yeadon has got balls as well as evidence. Heneghan has evidence, but he is restricted to lobbing a few grenades from the trench and then keeping his head down. The difference is that Heneghan is still in the academic system, while Yeadon is of independent means. By the way your knowledge on Sweden is breathtaking. Tegnell must be on the phone most days.

206050 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Mayo, 10, #276 of 1695 🔗

That is not what he said. Yes he said that he is convinced he is right, but he also said that if he is proved wrong he will apologise and ‘pay the fine’

Your comment is a gross distortion of what he said

206664 ▶▶▶ MutzNutz, replying to Mayo, -6, #277 of 1695 🔗

Nice to see someone else going against ‘the narrative’ that seems to dominate here

206887 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Mayo, 1, #278 of 1695 🔗

Interesting comments. I have thought some of the same, although from a different perspective.

Yes, Dr Yeadon is passionate. He’s clearly very angry and frustrated, and this leads him – in my view – to throw caution to wind and sometimes overstate his case. As you imply, no proper scientist can be 100% certain.

Having said that, I find his estimates/back-of-the-envelope-calculations on UK immunity entirely plausible.

Carl H. is an interesting one. I suspect he feels just as passionately at Dr Yeadon, but that he realises that in these circumstances if his work is to gain full traction he must at all times appear calm and measured. I admire him for this self control, as I don’t think I could have managed it.

We can only speculate on why he’s been quieter lately. My guess is that he understood tat he couldn’t maintain his previous level of media exposure and not, sooner or later, come in for a bit of a fall. I reckon he’s merely biding his time, and will strike again when he thinks the time is right.

I’ve seen nothing to suggest that (biological, as opposed to political) events aren’t unfolding broadly as Carl H., and Dr Yeadon, have envisaged.

205650 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 7, #279 of 1695 🔗

Soft genocide and foreign goons in the Terrorist Support Group?

Toby, you excel yourself.

205670 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Stuart, 2, #280 of 1695 🔗

I wasn’t sure if the interviewed person was being a bit racist toward BAME Police Officers or whether they really were non UK or Commonwealth citizens dressed up as Stazi goons.

205677 ▶▶▶ John Smith, replying to karenovirus, 3, #281 of 1695 🔗

Whatever and whoever they are is unimportant.

They’ll ALL be going to prison once we catch up with them.

205680 ▶▶▶▶ TheBigman, replying to John Smith, 13, #282 of 1695 🔗

That’s nothing more than wishful thinking. They have all the cards and we think truth and reason matter, who wins? History shows it isn’t always the good guys.
As for the police, it is very much important for many reasons; no foreign police force should operate on UK soil and if they are citizens then they are failing their English requirements set out by just about every force in the UK.

205866 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to TheBigman, 5, #283 of 1695 🔗

I agree. If we have reached the point that the state is deploying the C21 equivalent of Hessian mercenaries against its own people, then we have a serious problem. This behaviour has been characteristic of despotic regimes throughout history – most obviously in the C19, when European powers swapped troops to crack down on domestic opposition. Indeed, that basically is how the Habsburg monarchy stumbled into the C20.

Do we have any statesman of the calibre of Pitt the Elder, who came to Parliament in his terminal illness to speak against the deployment of mercenaries to police the English colonists in America? Doubt it. By the way, it turned out not to be a clever move.

205742 ▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to karenovirus, 2, #284 of 1695 🔗

Yeah my thought process was the the same – not racist as such but I wondered whether it might simply be that the person’s first language was Romanian or something.

Gotta be honest, I tend to be slightly suspicious of someone who chooses to strike up a conversation about common law with a police officer / TSG person.

206289 ▶▶▶▶ fgygrgrygergiherge, replying to Tee Ell, 1, #285 of 1695 🔗

Maybe the crooks (is it still Cressida Dickhead) at the top deliberately picked thugs for this TSG operation who were less likely to be able to realise what the protesters were on about? If the thugs they send in don’t speak english very well they’ll likely just see the demonstrators as “obstacles to be cleared” rather than as “hang on, I agree with that sign”.

206736 ▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Tee Ell, 1, #286 of 1695 🔗

Very odd, what was the point of Toby putting it in? The kind British bobbies (Dixon of Dock Green) versus uncouth foreigners – not a great insight

205862 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to karenovirus, 3, #287 of 1695 🔗

Were they identified as BAME? Could have been Polish or Belgian. Foreign is a big place.

206265 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to karenovirus, 2, #288 of 1695 🔗

At the first demo where the SPG battered people with batons, several witnesses said they spoke with central European accents.

205656 TheBigman, replying to TheBigman, 19, #289 of 1695 🔗

I’m sick of people thinking this is all just some over zealous ministers getting power drunk. It’s not just our country that has done it. Many nations have done it without question, why? Perhaps we shouldn’t all be so complacent to deny that this is orchestrated in some way to meet their political ends. Some of the first laws passed had nothing to do with virus management but everything to do with controlling of people, long after any virus has gone. Using out of the blue virus scare to pass laws they couldn’t via climate hysteria.
This is all an experiment to see how we react for the next one. Power is never surrendered, its taken back and unfortunately that’s historically a bloody affair.
The UK, Scotland in particular, is just so meek, weak and over trusting that we would let this all go if we got back to ‘normal’ tomorrow.
I don’t have all the answers but clearly one of them is to SEVERELY limit government power, reinstate the power of the individual and deem in law that no rights shall be infringed. The US Bill of rights is based on laws from the UK, but here we don’t teach that or follow that either.
Lastly while Sweden hasn’t done this or that one thing they do have a growing culture in is rfid chipping humans. All part of the UN Agenda 2030 plans. Not conspiracy theory, its there for all to read, clever wording is used to obfuscate the facts so the layman doesn’t fight back.

205759 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to TheBigman, 3, #290 of 1695 🔗

Build Back Better is the global mantra for that

205671 cloud6, replying to cloud6, 23, #291 of 1695 🔗

According to the Sunday Times then the NHS has broken dozens of laws with impunity and broken completely the NHS constitution, one sentence stands out :

Everyone counts We all have a responsibility to maximise the benefits we obtain from NHS resources, ensuring they are distributed fairly to those most in need. Nobody should be discriminated or disadvantaged and everyone should be treated with equal respect and importance.

Daily I feel ashamed of being a part of a once proud nation of people.

205673 ▶▶ John Smith, replying to cloud6, 10, #292 of 1695 🔗

Keep the faith.

It will finish as quickly as it started.

205756 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to John Smith, 5, #293 of 1695 🔗

Let’s hope so John. Those responsible must be made to pay!

205674 annie, 14, #294 of 1695 🔗

Savour this gem of an analogy from Hugh Willbourn:

“The destiny instinct is … the idea that things are as they are for ineluctable, inescapable reasons: they have always been this way and will never change.” This dire mistake set in right at the beginning of the panic about Covid-19. The first absurd, inflated estimates of possible death were taken as gospel, and many people who should know better still take them as meaningful and relevant. It is as though Neil Ferguson had declared that the moon is made from green cheese, and as a result all the moon rock samples brought back by the Apollo mission must be declared fakes.”

205678 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 11, #295 of 1695 🔗

Indeed, new data from the NHS shows that the proportion of over-60s with the coronavirus who received intensive care halved between the middle of March and the end of April as the pressure weighed heavily on hospitals during the height of the pandemic.”

If this is true (and the skew of the whole ST investigation seems to be to heap opprobrium on the government for the failings of PHE), why were the Nightingale hospitals never used?

205681 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #296 of 1695 🔗

(To be clear, I do believe that opprobrium should be heaped on the government for many reasons)

205701 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 9, #297 of 1695 🔗

I never understood who it was thought would staff the Nightingales. We are told that they were primarily (if not exclusively) for ventilated patients. While there were many NHS staff twiddling their thumbs during that time they would not have been those with the training to care for patients on life support. It always seemed like an inexplicable vanity project to me. Of course, before long we knew that we would not have vast numbers of otherwise healthy young people dropping like flies – I think the fear of that was behind the Nightingales.

205714 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Charlie Blue, 15, #298 of 1695 🔗

My GP friend says she was petrified at being called up to ICU and she simply could not do it. She didn’t have the skills or experience.

I’m sure she could have been trained. Just like any other soldier called up to the front line who was beyond frightened to hold a gun.

So because we don’t have ICU capacity or medics willing to be up-skilled, we are frightened the ICUs will be over run. You sure wouldn’t run a business like that!

And if my assertions are correct, why are the NHS heroes?

205748 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Country Mumkin, 32, #299 of 1695 🔗

The NHS are not heroes the delivery men are, those who moved the food and supplies across country to stock up the shelves in our supermarkets, not forgetting our postmen who continued to work despite this scamdemic.

The government and the NHS failed on every level and are still failing!

205840 ▶▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Bella Donna, 21, #300 of 1695 🔗

And the bin men. Collect every week and always a cheery word with the dogs. Heroes. There have been weeks where the postie, the binman and the supermarket delivery person were my only human contact.

205845 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to thinkaboutit, 11, #301 of 1695 🔗

Amen to you both. And the street cleaners as well – my local council sent cleaners once a week to tidy our sorry excuse of a park.

They are the real heroes not those in the NHS.

206278 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #302 of 1695 🔗

Our council withdrew all help from our park groundsman!

206742 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cheezilla, #303 of 1695 🔗

That’s a shame. My local council are middling but at least they manage keep the bin collections and the park reasonably tidy.

206276 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to thinkaboutit, 3, #304 of 1695 🔗

And the staff inside the supermarkets!

206732 ▶▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Bella Donna, #305 of 1695 🔗

Not forgetting binmen , road sweepers and sewage workers.

206273 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #306 of 1695 🔗

They’ve had lots of time to prepare for the “second wave.”
Surely they’ve had all summer to retrain those doctors and nurses from the redundant wards.

205743 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Charlie Blue, 11, #307 of 1695 🔗

Bozo likes vanity projects, nothing mundane for him, he has to be the centre of attention when he’s not hiding behind the sofa.

205754 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Charlie Blue, 8, #308 of 1695 🔗

They didn’t even start on our Nightingale until 3 months into lockdown by which time it was obviously all over.

205808 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #309 of 1695 🔗

I rather think the Nightingales were intended to be mortuaries. However the health trusts couldn’t bring themselves to use the ‘m’ word – Nightingale has a much nicer ring to it.

205816 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to bluemoon, 9, #310 of 1695 🔗

That had certainly crossed my mind. And when the superb Desmond Swayne pointed out recently that insufficient toilets had been built in this facilities for the use of conscious patients it seemed to me that there had never been an expectation of recovery.

205839 ▶▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #311 of 1695 🔗

Yes it was the lack of toilets that got me thinking…..

206279 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to bluemoon, #312 of 1695 🔗

DEAD giveaway!

205711 ▶▶ DocRC, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 15, #313 of 1695 🔗

We need to remember that many elderly people at the end of their lives who contract respiratory viruses, pneumonia etc. are just too sick to benefit from ICU admission. Doctors have always made this judgement. When I was a junior doctor, broncho-pneumonia was known as “the old man’s friend.” If you watch Ivor Cummin’s recent Irish update video, he says that 90 odd percent of Covid deaths in Irish hospitals at the peak of the pandemic were too frail to be admitted to ICU.

205755 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to DocRC, 6, #314 of 1695 🔗

Residents of care homes and their families were being pressured into signing DNRs! Some doctors were signing them without even consulting them! Frankly I’m disgusted with the NHS and their part in all of this.

205853 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to DocRC, 3, #315 of 1695 🔗

That’s acceptable. I know of elderly people who died because they were too frail to undergo whatever treatment they needed. It would have been painful, horribly intrusive and degrading for them. That’s a bit different to a blanket instruction that amounts to “cull all the old”.

206761 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to DocRC, 2, #316 of 1695 🔗

Another point I have not read here is that it’s very, very common for older people to fear admission and dying in hospital, even when it’s deemed ‘in their best interest’ by medics and relatives.

Ive worked in Adult social care for years and my own mother was a case in point she died in front of me unable to breathe but pleading for me not to call an ambulance. The thought of dying in hospital attached to machines is a very real fear.
In no way though do I condone what’s been going on in this pandemic.

205812 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 13, #317 of 1695 🔗

As an over-60 myself, I made the decision early on that if I caught it (or anything else), I would not contact anyone. I would rather die at home alone than be dragged anywhere else to be tormented and then die anyway. Seems like lots of other people faced that same situation, voluntarily or involuntarily.

205679 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 71, #318 of 1695 🔗

Good morning Wales!
Thank so so much for the extra business.
Kind Regards
Jeff Bezos and all the Amazon team.

205682 ▶▶ TheBigman, replying to PatrickF, 20, #319 of 1695 🔗

Exactly! This is the biggest single wealth transfer in history.
Christmas cards are non essential…unless you get them from moon pig.

205740 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to TheBigman, 6, #320 of 1695 🔗

Im anti Moonpig after my great niece’s birthday card arrived a week after her birthday!

205751 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bella Donna, 7, #321 of 1695 🔗

My five ‘exempt’ lanyards (to give away to the deserving) took three weeks to arrive from Amazon after their algorithm suggested I might also be interested in designer masks and cheap visors !

206387 ▶▶▶▶▶ VickyA, replying to karenovirus, 3, #322 of 1695 🔗

Try Etsy. Small cottage businesses. I’ve always had good stuff there and you can filter for U.K. based sellers.

205702 ▶▶ annie, replying to PatrickF, 15, #323 of 1695 🔗

You’ll be getting my business. Send the bills to Dripfeed.

Warning to Welsh shoppers: the Curst Minister and the Welsh Assembly are not essential. Don’t buy them.

205744 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to PatrickF, 8, #324 of 1695 🔗

And the mop shop in Ludlow (if you can get here).
Ps the stationary shop (not essrntial) has rebranded its stock Paper Products (essential).

206544 ▶▶▶ Graham, replying to karenovirus, 2, #325 of 1695 🔗

I expect Ludlow was packed with Welsh shoppers yesterday. It’s about 14 miles from the border and there are a lot of very small roads. Don’t suppose the Welsh Plod have enough woodentops to guard every crossing.

205806 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to PatrickF, 15, #326 of 1695 🔗

eBay! eBay! eBay! I’m in England but just placed another order this morning with a small business using their marketplace.

205685 tonys, replying to tonys, 24, #327 of 1695 🔗

It does seem as if the Times are just catching up, finding information we have known about for months on here, the NHS triage guidance being a good example, this has been out there for anyone with the willingness to see, the problem is most of our media has the professional curiosity of a common sloth.

205824 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to tonys, 3, #328 of 1695 🔗

True, it’s real journalism for once. Good to see it though.

205886 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to tonys, #329 of 1695 🔗

Is it a once off or will thy now question the narrative? my bet is on the 1st one

205966 ▶▶ Alan P, replying to tonys, 3, #330 of 1695 🔗

I’ve been vocal in my criticism of journalists all through this (alleged) pandemic. But is it the heads of the media who are preventing proper investigation, and are we seeing the start of a breakthrough from the stifled reporters?

206280 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to tonys, #331 of 1695 🔗

Better late than never!

205686 Helen, replying to Helen, 12, #332 of 1695 🔗

Thumb screws tighten against German resistance

Corona Transition https://corona-transition.org/eilmeldung-verein-von-prof-sucharit-bakhdi-unter-staatlichem-beschuss
DeepL translation

BREAKING NEWS: Prof. Sucharit Bakhdi’s association under state fire Posted on October 23rd, 2020 by VG

The tax office withdraws the non-profit status of the association MWGFD e.V – without giving reasons.The Passau tax office has given the association “Doctors and Scientists for Health, Freedom and Democracy e.V.” (MWGFD) revoked its non-profit status. This means that donations to the organization can no longer be deducted from tax. This is reported by t-online.The most prominent members and founders of the association are Professors Sucharit Bhakdi and Stefan Homburg as well as the doctors Wolfgang Wodarg and Bodo Schiffmann.”In order to advertise its positions, the association had, among other things, booked newspaper advertisements across Germany,” writes t-online and: “The only source of income are donations, Homburg spoke of individual donations of up to 25,000 euros.

 “Opinion of the reaction: The Passau tax office did not justify its decision, the association announced. From our point of view, the decision of the tax office is politically motivated and serves only as a means of repression. In this way, it is hoped that the donations that the association used to raise awareness about Corona through advertisements in daily newspapers will dry up – which primarily criticized the government’s measures.

205741 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Helen, 7, #333 of 1695 🔗

Soft censorship, shame on Germany.

205777 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Helen, 7, #334 of 1695 🔗

Heil Covid!

205688 chaos, 4, #335 of 1695 🔗

New simpler message from government.


205692 Recusant, 16, #336 of 1695 🔗

That Tomas Ryan is a gimlet-eyed maniac. I have come to the conclusion that some of these titled people enjoying their moment of being listened to are advocating lockdowns because they are psychopaths who enjoy the suffering of others.

205696 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 4, #337 of 1695 🔗

Here is an interesting discussion of the latest development s in covid dystopia by two Christians: Dave and Steve:


206322 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Basileus, #338 of 1695 🔗

I like these guys!

205709 alw, replying to alw, 11, #339 of 1695 🔗

“Seven-day Covid quarantine — and none for jet set”.

Risk Of Covid-19 Transmission On Planes ‘Virtually Non-Existent’ For Mask Wearers

Recently reported were the positive findings of a study in exposure to Covid-19 when flying. A US Dept of Defence study out earlier this month, states the ‘aggressive air filtration’ (HEPA) ‘lead to the near-immediate dispersal of particles carrying the infection’. The article goes on to say ‘that it would take a minimum of 54 hours of sitting next to someone (on a plane) with Covid-19, to be exposed to an infectious dose.

205728 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to alw, 9, #340 of 1695 🔗

I feel like they don’t need to include the last three words in the title.

206811 ▶▶▶ Old Normal, replying to Tee Ell, 1, #341 of 1695 🔗

Exactly. How would the air filtration system be different if you were maskless?

205739 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to alw, 3, #342 of 1695 🔗

Don’t know where they got that from, if there was Covid on a plane masks would not stop it and the revenitlation would make it worse (as if that mattered).

206192 ▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to karenovirus, #343 of 1695 🔗

If I’ve understood correctly, the HEPA filters on planes are very effective and could potentially limit re-ventilation risks.

205884 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to alw, 1, #344 of 1695 🔗

Clever virus

205715 alw, replying to alw, 11, #345 of 1695 🔗

“Riot Police Crush Anti-Lockdown Protest”. Only DM seem to be reporting on this.Clarification courtesy the excellent Mike Yeadon;

I regret to say this is true. I was shocked recently to discover that EVEN MPs DONT SEEM TO KNOW ABOUT THIS:
https:// ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/ pdf_file/0025/193075/Note-to-broadcasters-Coronavirus.pdf…
The text reads: However, we remind all broadcasters of the significant potential harm that can be caused by
material relating to the Coronavirus. This could include:
• Health claims related to the virus which may be harmful.
• Medical advice which may be harmful.
• Accuracy or material misleadingness in programmes in relation to the virus or public policy regarding it.
We will be prioritising our enforcement of broadcast standards in relation to the above issues. In these cases, it may be necessary for Ofcom to act quickly to determine the outcome in a proportionate and transparent manner, and broadcasters should be prepared to engage with Ofcom on short timescales

205722 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to alw, 9, #346 of 1695 🔗

There is a short vid on sky news YouTube ‘hundreds attend London anti lockdown protest ‘
Corrected by numerous commenters as ‘thousands’

205724 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to karenovirus, 7, #347 of 1695 🔗

Vid from Mayur Tousi on You Tube. Apparently more to follow.

205731 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to alw, 1, #348 of 1695 🔗

I mentioned it early on but can’t post links from Android so thanks.

205734 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to karenovirus, 8, #349 of 1695 🔗

I went on a student march against the fees that were coming circa 1998/1999. I was in that crowd and was in awe at the number of people. I remembered the size of my school hall and how it fitted 800 students. And tried to imagine that amongst the huge huge huge procession I was in. I estimated that I was in a crowd of more than 10,000. But mine was not the only procession. The press later downplayed it as a few thousand etc.

205747 ▶▶▶▶ NickR, replying to chaos, 3, #350 of 1695 🔗

Calculating a crowd size is best done by calculating the area then multiplying that by the number of people per m2. If you’re waltyou struggle to get more than 1 person per m2, if standing still maybe 2 per m2.
Trafalgar Sq is only about 70m x 70m, let’s call it 5000m2 so 10000 people is about the max.

205753 ▶▶▶▶▶ chaos, replying to NickR, 3, #351 of 1695 🔗

We weren’t in Trafalgar Sq. we were marching through London.. but I get your point.

206055 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to NickR, #352 of 1695 🔗

Drone photos analysed by programs ? I bet the bad guys know exactly how many people were there.

205732 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to alw, 6, #353 of 1695 🔗

Censorship Chinese style! Boris can GFH!

205719 Now More Than Ever, replying to Now More Than Ever, 16, #354 of 1695 🔗

Blunkett teeters on the brink.

I was fully expecting this article to degenerate into “I-know-people-are-fed-up-but-if-we-all-follow-the-rules-wear-masks-social-distance-everything-will-be-just-fine” white noise but, encouragingly, it didn’t. He comes dangerously close to advocating protecting the vulnerable.


205799 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Now More Than Ever, 3, #355 of 1695 🔗

The top-rated comments are also almost exclusively sceptic as well.

205860 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to ConstantBees, 2, #356 of 1695 🔗

Time for the Mail drones to get to work on the comments.

205723 alw, replying to alw, 84, #357 of 1695 🔗

Seen elsewhere

205920 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to alw, 4, #358 of 1695 🔗

The good thing about real turtles is they occasionally wind their necks in… in contrast this turtle lookalike seems to be enjoying the limelight too much to do that.

206419 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to OKUK, 1, #359 of 1695 🔗

That’s because he’s a turtle head!

205726 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 41, #360 of 1695 🔗

From two months in I have repeatedly posted on here that there was only one game in town

It was the slaughter of the innocents in the care homes

All the rest is just about covering it up and kicking the can down the road

Another post from me many months ago was ‘ Why is Whitty always sweating like a rapist’

Well now we know

205770 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Cecil B, 20, #361 of 1695 🔗

Its what Vernon Coleman said in his very first video back in March. At that time he thought the hidden agenda was culling and marginalsing the elderly and a vaccine. Turns out he was right except that the culling has stretched into other age groups fom the lack of health care and the suicides from loss of jobs and hopelessness. How long do we have to wait for them to be justice, will it ever happen?

205794 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to Suzyv, 12, #362 of 1695 🔗

I don’t, in all seriousness, get the logic behind thinking that the ‘culling’ of the elderly as a motive. If it’s about overpopulation, well, the very elderly 1) are going to be dead relatively soon anyway, 2) have already done any breeding they’re going to do and 3) consume comparatively few resources. If it’s supposed to be a cost saving thing, that also doesn’t make any sense because the amount of money saved in future healthcare and pension payments is dwarfed by the amount of money spent on the whole situation. And w’re making new old people all the time.

205843 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to matt, 10, #363 of 1695 🔗

The culling of the elderly gave them the death figures to maintain the fear.

205954 ▶▶▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 5, #364 of 1695 🔗

As Sir Humphrey says on “Yes, Minister” it saves on social care & pensions. There are times that I think Matt is doing a Shipman on a grand scale.Even if that’s not true I wouldnt put it past some “care” homes to get rid off Mrs Bloggs because she’s a real problem and stick C19 on the cert. After all who’s checking up on them?

205994 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to FenTyger, 5, #365 of 1695 🔗

I wonder if care home deaths went up at the beginning of the month when the residents had just paid their fees.

206198 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to FenTyger, 2, #366 of 1695 🔗

It ought to be the relatives, but if course they’re not allowed in.
In Gulag Wakes, you can’t now near a relative in a care home unless they’re actually dying.

206817 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to FenTyger, 2, #367 of 1695 🔗

No one is the answer to that.

care home inspections have not been happening. It’s a scandal. Visits to clients in residential care and at home to do preventative work has gone out of the window.

Health visitors haven’t been allowed to visit new mums/hold their baby clinics, Told to use Zoom. All of this face to face of routine preventative social care stopped in the spring and is still not happening. A slow and largely unreported time bomb.

Don’t even get me started on children with special needs or I will go on a rant – out of the 55,000 operations cancelled for them many children and their parents are suffering in silence because of “Covid”

206008 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to matt, 2, #368 of 1695 🔗

3) very ill elderly people consume a great deal of resources, either through the NHS or using up the inheritance on expensive care home fees.

206042 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to matt, 2, #369 of 1695 🔗

There’s another reason for culling the elderly, several more actually. First and foremost is that they have the knowledge of our history that they lived through and of our culture. They were also properly educated. It’s mostly the over sixties who have seen through the climate scam all along. Churchill said something about the passing on of culture, that can only come through the old. They also look after grandchildren and Marxist states indoctrinate children.

206062 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Rosie, #370 of 1695 🔗

Great point Rosie.

206427 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Rosie, 3, #371 of 1695 🔗

Yes. I’m frequently minded of that bit in 1984 when Winston puzzles about something that’s being denied but which he remembers his father telling him about ….

206421 ▶▶▶▶ TT, replying to matt, 2, #372 of 1695 🔗

The vast amounts spent on the scamdemic have gone right to the pockets of pharma giants (where many politicians or their relatives have lucrative board positions) or security firms (idem dito) etc.
Pensions go to the elderly themselves…

206423 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to matt, 1, #373 of 1695 🔗

Diabetes, CHD and care home costs are an enormous and constant drain on the economy …..

206476 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to matt, #374 of 1695 🔗

It is about wrecking the economy and society.

206469 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Suzyv, #375 of 1695 🔗

It is about wrecking the economy and society.

205852 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Cecil B, 6, #376 of 1695 🔗

Todays update just backs up what was already known from Italy and we know that a very similar situation took hold in New York. The evidence for this is everywhere, just take BobT’s excellent graphs from the other day, as an example. It’s a closed case as far as I’m concerned that our gov are guilty of at least gross negligence.

205729 chaos, 32, #377 of 1695 🔗

Everyone who posts something deserves a thumbs up. Unless they are a bedwetter. Show you are there.

205735 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 17, #378 of 1695 🔗

To usher in the NHS soft genocide policy under cover of TikToking nurses is certainly a masterstroke by the management but can we now please have a rebate on our £150 billion a year?

205745 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Stuart, 4, #379 of 1695 🔗

Tik Tok hospital videos were a little different in 2021

205749 PaulH, replying to PaulH, 22, #380 of 1695 🔗

“Vaccine Guinea Pigs Revealed”
What exactly is the point of this vaccine? We have already learned that its “success” criteria do not include preventing serious illness or death – and it will not prevent people spreading the disease (no sterilising immunity).

We also learn that its protection will be short-lived and it will have neither a long-term safety record nor carry manufacturers’ product liability (immunity from damages is 100% in that case!).

And now we find that even the minimal EU approval formalities may be bypassed.

I can see the benefit to Astra-Zeneca and the government, but I am struggling to see why anyone else would want it.

Especially looking at the around 99.9% survival rate for the virus itself.

205766 ▶▶ chaos, replying to PaulH, 15, #381 of 1695 🔗

The vaccine isn’t the end point. A digital ID and cashless black mirror society like China is the end point. The vaccine could be placebo. Then by stopping the casedemic testing and fraudulent declaration of non-covid deaths as covid the placebo vaccine can be hailed a success.

205832 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to chaos, 7, #382 of 1695 🔗

They don’t even have to stop testing,just bring down the number of cycles in the test and bingo.
Epidemic over

205869 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 2, #383 of 1695 🔗

I expect they will not test the vaxxed so the amount of testing winds down, oh look hardly any “cases” anymore, the vax saved the day!

205940 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to DRW, 3, #384 of 1695 🔗

Good call. I’d like to steal that and pass it off as my own

205997 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to DRW, 2, #385 of 1695 🔗

I seem to remember this being said here some months ago.

206884 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to chaos, #386 of 1695 🔗

spot on!

205991 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to PaulH, 8, #387 of 1695 🔗

Strange how they can suddenly pass a law to get around EU requirements yet they never could before.

205998 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to karenovirus, 4, #388 of 1695 🔗

Great point.

206059 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to karenovirus, 2, #389 of 1695 🔗

I guess most European countries are doing the same.

205758 chaos, replying to chaos, 26, #390 of 1695 🔗

I’m still finding 2020 difficult to process. Just feels so unreal, surreal.. and makes me think of things said and written by Philip K Dick or Grant Morrison.. or Carl Jung… or Nick Bostrum.. anyone else still finding this all so bizarre?

205764 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to chaos, 16, #391 of 1695 🔗

It’s Ok, it’s called being a human being with love in your heart. Perfectly normal

205850 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Cecil B, 6, #392 of 1695 🔗

You’re not alone: my wife gets that every morning. For me on waking it’s more: has anyone new come out as sceptical?

205767 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to chaos, 28, #393 of 1695 🔗

Yes. I wake up every morning thinking I have had a bizarre dream and then the reality dawns. It’s very much like being bereaved. For a split second, everything is as it was and then … it isn’t.

205793 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to kh1485, 13, #394 of 1695 🔗

That’s a great way to put it. There’s that quiet, peaceful moment before the terrible reality comes flooding back in.

205984 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to kh1485, 2, #395 of 1695 🔗

Like waking up after a bad night out thinking all is well but on slowly sobering up realising “OMG did I really Do That !”

205988 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to kh1485, 4, #396 of 1695 🔗

That’s it exactly.

206342 ▶▶ CGL, replying to chaos, 7, #397 of 1695 🔗

Yes – I find myself frequently stopping mid-conversation because I literally can’t believe the words I’m speaking, or the subject matter of the conversation.

If you could take yourself back to the same day last year and tell your year younger self that you would be talking about muzzles, lockdowns, people not being able to see family members on their deathbed, one way systems, 2m social distancing, not being able to buy a mop etc etc etc – your younger self really would think they should check themselves into the asylum straightaway before they had the chance to turn into the nutter standing before them.

206782 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to chaos, 1, #398 of 1695 🔗

If you drift into cosmological cycles, this one being Hindu, we are coming to the end of an ascending Yuga , the iron age, which ends in 2025, after that a transitional period of 300 years takes us to the ascending Dawarpa Yuga. a Bronze Age .Also the Sun reverses its polarity at this time 2025 ,which could lead to solar flares and sunspot activity which could cause obvious disruption on Earth, see Anton Petrovs video on the solar cycle.

205769 Biker, replying to Biker, 10, #399 of 1695 🔗

Still no end to the tyranny then? Ah well. We could try praying. It’s Sunday after all. The monotheistic celestial overlord, the very essence of all life including the virus likes to take things easy on a Sunday. It seems, now don’t laugh, it seems we get dressed up in our best clothes and head down to a big building and listen to a man speak some words in a sort of magical way, then we sing a couple of numbers and right at the end when God is considering if he enjoyed the show he might listen to your prayer and grant you what you ask, only problem is every time you end the prayer with Amen he gets pissed off and he realises that you don’t know what you are saying and are still worshipping the old gods when chaos and evil ruled the world so he rejects your prayer and instead makes a worm bore its way into the eye of some poor child in a village in the jungle.
Don’t ask me, god works in mysterious ways. I mean who ever thought we’d live to see the day when the catholic church decided that it’s wasn’t a sin to be gay? It’s quite amazing to think only 75 years ago they were helping the nazi’s escape from the war so they could get back to America where they worked away on the “Space Programme” creating the very technocratic scientific elite that rules over us with an iron fist no problem whatsoever.
Still, what was i saying, oh yeah we could try praying.

205774 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Biker, 6, #400 of 1695 🔗

If my people who are called by my name humble themselves, and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

205803 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Basileus, 5, #401 of 1695 🔗

That’s a big help, cheers

205831 ▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Biker, 6, #402 of 1695 🔗

Stop, you are making me laugh, and that is not allowed

205868 ▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Biker, 3, #403 of 1695 🔗

Glad to hear it.

205979 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Basileus, 1, #404 of 1695 🔗

Is that the Chronicles of Narnia ?

Sorry, couldn’t resist it.

206097 ▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to karenovirus, 1, #405 of 1695 🔗

Lack of moral fibre? You need to learn to control your urges.

205830 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Biker, 3, #406 of 1695 🔗

Hasn’t praying been banned yet?

205983 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to PoshPanic, 4, #407 of 1695 🔗

Passed the church this morning on the way to get the paper. I kid you not there is a marquee erected in the graveyard so they have ” socially distanced” communion. Half are in the church and half standing in a tent.

206195 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to thinkaboutit, 2, #408 of 1695 🔗

How lovely are thy tabernacles, oh lord of Covid.

206099 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #409 of 1695 🔗

They are probably working on it, but I think God gets the casting vote on that one.

206738 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to PoshPanic, #410 of 1695 🔗

No need, it’s being replaced with preying.

205855 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Biker, 3, #411 of 1695 🔗

Dogs and cats living together next

205985 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to mhcp, 1, #412 of 1695 🔗

In our house the dogs are scared of the cat. Hilarious.

206194 ▶▶ annie, replying to Biker, 3, #413 of 1695 🔗

I do try praying.
However, if you prefer, I could pray ‘God bless everybody except Biker’.

207481 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to annie, #414 of 1695 🔗

don’t pray for me, after all you’re wasting your life believing in utter shit don’t waste any more of it on me

205771 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 3, #415 of 1695 🔗


The article in the Irish Independent that I mentioned yesterday has been removed from behind the paywall – linked above.

They suggest that a similar policy in relation to healthcare staff will apply in Ireland – i.e., they will be among the first to get a vaccine, which will be available this side of Christmas.

In a separate matter, somewhat confusingly, both the CEO of the Health Service Executive (the Irish NHS) and Pfizer Healthcare Ireland’s Managing Director are called Paul Reid! They are separate people.

205822 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Ewan Duffy, 7, #416 of 1695 🔗

‘Why did mummy die so young?’

‘She opened her Christmas present early, so let that be a lesson to you’

‘What did she get?’

‘A free dose of an untested vaccine’

‘What am I having for Christmas?’

‘Your going on a 13 year long holiday’

‘Oh fantastic, Where?’

‘ A social services children’s home, don’t worry you will be perfectly safe there’

205969 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, 2, #417 of 1695 🔗

‘tommy says i’ll become a drug addled prostitute in the social services children’s home and end up in prison.
Why was mummy so mean and selfish?’

205896 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Ewan Duffy, 7, #418 of 1695 🔗

Trialling an experimental and poorly tested vaccine, on frontline health workers sounds like a great plan. What could possibly go wrong?

205961 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to PoshPanic, 8, #419 of 1695 🔗

If it goes wrong, really badly wrong, the people who will be most affected will be those who are most enthusiastic to be sheep.

I see little downside here, as long as it’s not mandatory within the NHS. I visited a hospital a while ago and the corridors in the private staff areas were plastered with flu-jab posters directed against the staff. The staff clearly weren’t convinced.

Neither am I. I shall do the noble thing and donate my vaccination dose to some other “more worthy” sucker.

205963 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to RichardJames, 3, #420 of 1695 🔗

The staff have always resisted flu jabs from care assistants to senior consultants, cleaners and porters probably follow their lead.

205772 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 42, #421 of 1695 🔗

“Isolation for track and trace may be halved”

I suppose that’s pending difficult negotiations with the virus.

HANCOCK “Look, fourteen days is just too long, nobody’s sticking to it. Can we persuade you to reduce your incubation period to one week?”
COVID-19 “What’s in it for me?”
HANCOCK “We promise to keep on with the propaganda making you out to be really, really scary. Scarier than Spanish flu.’
COVID-19 “Scarier than the Black Death would be nice.”
HANCOCK (giggling softly) “Well, look, that’s a lot to ask, you know, it killed a third of…”
COVID-19 “Look. You’re a decent man, Matt, but remember this. You’re only health secretary for as long as I say so. So I’ll make you my final offer. You know how I hate to see people having fun. You’re closing down pubs and restaurants with a death of a thousand cuts and that’s great, but you could do a lot more to make their lives miserable. Stop people drinking alcohol. Stop people having sex with people they aren’t tired of. Stop them playing loud music. Stop SPORT. Shut the theatres. Prevent Bruno Tonioli from entering the country EVER AGAIN. Get the whole population silent in rapt, devoted contemplation of ME. Do you think you can manage that?”
HANCOCK “I really don’t think I can agree to the persecution of poor Bruno. But the rest… is exactly where I see us going. Do we have a deal?”
COVID-19 “Let me mutate on it for a moment.”

205788 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 7, #422 of 1695 🔗

It’s the government recognising reality. Most people who are identified by T&T are ignoring “the rules.” CYA (cover your ass) as we say in the States.

205804 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #423 of 1695 🔗

Brilliant. You will be Minister for Culture in the new government

205960 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #424 of 1695 🔗

Best laugh of the day, thank you 🌞

206189 ▶▶ annie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #425 of 1695 🔗

LOVE the last line.

205796 MutzNutz, replying to MutzNutz, -1, #426 of 1695 🔗

In depth discussion about the damage of lockdowns, T-Cell mediated immunity, herd immunity and more. And yes, some stuff about masks and viral/inoculate load.
To all who are open minded, worth watching in full.


And if that proves too much for the most ardent of sceptics, the same guy speaking with Dr Jay Bhattacharya, one of the 3 principal signatories of The Great Barrington Declaration, on the next day.


205841 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to MutzNutz, 3, #427 of 1695 🔗

Heard him on the radio some weeks ago. Pretty good except he subscribes to mask madness. He offered no
Evidence for supporting filthy face rags. Perhaps he imagines they are used by the public in strict accord with clinical usage rule – sorry mate, they ain’t!

205873 ▶▶▶ Van Allen, replying to OKUK, 6, #428 of 1695 🔗

This is a major problem with the argument that “they don’t do any harm so even if there is only a 1% chance that they help it is a chance worth taking” argument. Of course there is a risk to the wearer from rebreathing their own air but on top of that there is the hygiene problem. I understand that disposable masks should be changed at least every few hours or at the first sign of dampness. Judging by the number of masks I see hanging from car mirrors and similar (yuk!) I’m pretty sure people are reusing them. Coupled with the fact that people do fiddle with them and they don’t wash their hands before and after putting them on, I guess the chance of them spreading disease is increased dramatically.

205924 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Van Allen, 5, #429 of 1695 🔗

This is the reason the studies they cite as scientific evidence for them are valid, but have no real role in informing mass community masking. You can not generalise those studies to apply in such an intervention.

It’s at the least a failing social experiment, at worst its a psychological tool to keep people afraid. If you see masks outside on faces, there’s gotta be something deadly about right? These people must know something. Can’t take the risk.

I think if they dropped theandates few would be wearing them

205949 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Van Allen, 4, #430 of 1695 🔗

During lockdown I met just one carer (week long gigs with one housebound client) who had been properly briefed about mask usage.
For her 2 hour train journey home she had been advised by her employer to change her mask every 20 minutes and had been supplied with quantity enough to do so.

A vanishingly rare exception to the norm.

206188 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 1, #431 of 1695 🔗

Imagine the entire slave population changing its nappy every twenty minutes and discarding the old ones…

205797 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 3, #432 of 1695 🔗

Somebody please pass the sick bucket


206456 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cecil B, #433 of 1695 🔗


206552 ▶▶ DomW, replying to Cecil B, 1, #434 of 1695 🔗

Would you mind providing a summary ? I will no longer click intentionally on anything from that particular website.

205800 Ovis, replying to Ovis, 13, #435 of 1695 🔗

So we sacrifice the young for the old, who are themselves being sacrificed. Sounds like a whole lot of sacrifice. Covid must be a very angry god.

206184 ▶▶ annie, replying to Ovis, 2, #436 of 1695 🔗

He gets a whole lotta worship, especially in Anglican churches.

205801 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 25, #437 of 1695 🔗

Why don’t they trial the vaccine within a controlled an exclusive bubble of 650 in Westminster. Let’s see how effective it is before unleashing it on the people.

205805 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Smelly Melly, 4, #438 of 1695 🔗

Should start with the old dears in the HoL.

205885 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to thinkaboutit, 1, #439 of 1695 🔗

I can think of two elderly people – called Brenda and Phil – who should be called upon to publicly take the first vaccine.

205875 ▶▶ Van Allen, replying to Smelly Melly, 6, #440 of 1695 🔗

Would you trust them to take the same vaccine that they were unleashing on the public though?

205898 ▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Van Allen, 2, #441 of 1695 🔗


Maybe people won’t get infected if he’s wearing a mask in his twitter picture.

205919 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to captainbeefheart, 6, #442 of 1695 🔗

Funny, the footage shows the needle is till covered by the plastic protection capsule.


205937 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Smelly Melly, 2, #443 of 1695 🔗

I wouldn’t trust it until they produce unmutant babies.

206180 ▶▶ annie, replying to Smelly Melly, 4, #444 of 1695 🔗

Virus bite average MP, virus die horribly.

205809 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 10, #445 of 1695 🔗

The Sunday Mail.

Has Covid killed off the flu?

They CAN’T be that thick …. can they?

205818 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to James Leary #KBF, 3, #446 of 1695 🔗

Didn’t you know? It’s the face masks that have killed the flu.

205948 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Ovis, 3, #447 of 1695 🔗

And the distancing…

205990 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Basics, 1, #448 of 1695 🔗

Definitely. The virus thrives on human contact, and we need to break that. 😉

205821 ▶▶ Basics, replying to James Leary #KBF, 5, #449 of 1695 🔗

You NEED to watch this. A study paper has been submitted to the Nobel board, Influenza has been eradicated worldwide.

Using CDC and WHO data Influenza has gone.


205825 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Basics, 4, #450 of 1695 🔗

Wow, just like that.
As kids we laughed off chicken pox and measles as The Lurgy but nobody wanted a dose of influenza.

205848 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to karenovirus, 5, #451 of 1695 🔗

Just, as you say, like that. Schoop. Gone. Switched off. Good night so long and thanks for all the fish. Take a look at the official reams of CDC/WHO data in the video above. Socks will be knocked from feet.

205837 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Basics, 4, #452 of 1695 🔗

Why all the flu jab marketing then?

205842 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to DRW, 2, #453 of 1695 🔗

Get it watched Bud. Get it on and have a coffee. Eradicated.

205844 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to DRW, 4, #454 of 1695 🔗

Bait and switch?

205836 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to James Leary #KBF, 3, #455 of 1695 🔗

I think there’s perhaps some good news here. I don’t know enough about virology (though I’ve learned more than I ever wanted to since March) to assess any of the explanations but doesn’t this mean that we do not need to expect a huge surge in hospital admissions due to flu to ‘overwhelm’ the NHS? Doesn’t really make a difference whether flu has disappeared or symptoms have been misattributed in this sense.

205847 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to James Leary #KBF, 5, #456 of 1695 🔗

In the large majority of cases they didn’t test for flu. So if I don’t measure it it doesn’t exist.

Up yours Copenhagen!

205897 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to mhcp, 4, #457 of 1695 🔗

Not strictly true. Testing numbers for tracking flu levels haven’t really dropped, take Northern Europe numbers. Still largely the same.

As soon as Covid shows up its game over for flu.

Should be headline news. Remember about a month or two ago they were celebrating the eradication of polio in Africa (except for the vaccine sourced version of course)?

That was top of the news that day. This is too much of a door creaking open to discuss however.

Masks that did it? Bullshit.

205910 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #458 of 1695 🔗

With regards masks you can see Japan, largely a masked country pre Covid suffered heavy losses during recent flu epidemics. And the same trend this year. Covid shows up, flu exits stage right before their first lockdown intervention as well.

205946 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #459 of 1695 🔗

Exits stage right, exactly repeated round the world, in the data. Co factors of death however for tge US show flu present for 48%* of covid deaths. *from memory actual official figure in the nobel submitted study video above.

205856 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to James Leary #KBF, 5, #460 of 1695 🔗

In the UK, our flu season is only just beginning. But since Covid-19 began spreading in March, just 767 cases have been reported to the WHO compared with nearly 7,000 from March to October last year.

To make sense of this, we need to understand how the 767 cases were identified, how the 7,000 were identified, and whether there’s any difference.

If the 7,000 were identified based on intuition i.e. “this person appears to have a respiratory virus” then I think we already have our answer.

If the 7,000 were identified by decent testing that also looked at possible co-infections too, then we should potentially be giving more credence to the “crowding out” theory.

It’s worth noting as an aside that the rapid flu tests are 50-70% sensitive and over 90% specific – so they’re not particularly accurate unless they’re done in conjunction with proper diagnosis or double testing.

205874 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Tee Ell, 2, #461 of 1695 🔗

“In the UK, our flu season is only just beginning. But since Covid-19 began spreading in March, just 767 cases have been reported to the WHO compared with nearly 7,000 from March to October last year.”

This pattern has happened for every country reporting flu data to WHO with the exception of Cambodia. There may be more to the situation than simple unannounced identification methodology changes. See the video above which quickly gets you through the CDC / WHO data. The pattern is flu has been switched off.

205881 ▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Basics, 4, #462 of 1695 🔗

It wouldn’t need to be an unannounced change.

If that hypothesis is correct (I’m not saying it is, I don’t have the evidence), they wouldn’t have to make any change at all. If the previous process was that when someone dies of a respiratory virus, they might class it as “flu” without doing a test, this is how the death would have been reported.

This year, with the focus being on SARS-CoV-2, those deaths could be reported as SARS-CoV-2 (and not flu, because they can’t report twice).

Comparing the results of random sample population testing would be a far better indicator.

205905 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Tee Ell, 3, #463 of 1695 🔗

The CDC and WHO data is extraordinary. Flu has gone from the data. Wiped clean.

It the US influenza has been present in 48% of covid deaths iirc. Yet flu has been eradicated.

The number crunching more tgan the clinical findings would seem suitable place to look. Perhaps clinical guidance has changed.

Cannot stress how much data on this subject is presented in the video above Remember the old ‘data-blast’ style where every bit of info is given screen time for 1 second for the view to pause? The complete WHO data for influenza in 2020 is shown.

205929 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Tee Ell, 3, #464 of 1695 🔗

GP Surgeries get bonuses for all sorts of things like prescribing statins and getting patients to take the flu jab.

No doubt they are now being incentivised to identify covid cases rather than ordinary flu.

206461 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to James Leary #KBF, #465 of 1695 🔗

Maybe not but they assume their readership is!

205814 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 2, #466 of 1695 🔗

The Guardian (1 hour ago according to my news feed)
‘The north south divide, as old as England itself’.
True but most of it felched from in article in UnHerd last week (might have been Spiked).

205815 Basics, replying to Basics, 20, #468 of 1695 🔗

Whitty stands before the nation knowing what he knows and acts as we see. Psychopath? Sociopath? Good egg? Posted yested day was this:
The statement Chris Whitty CMO made at the govt press conference on monday 11/05/2020:

“Most people, a significant proportion of people, will not get this virus at all, at any point of the epidemic which is going to go on for a long period of time.
Of those who do, some of them will get the virus without even knowing it, they will have the virus with no symptoms at all, asymptomatic carriage, and we know that happens.
Of those who get symptoms, the great majority, probably 80%, will have a mild or moderate disease. Might be bad enough for them to have to go to bed for a few days, not bad enough for them to have to go to the doctor.
An unfortunate minority will have to go as far as hospital, but the majority of those will just need oxygen and will then leave hospital.

And then a minority of those will end up having to go to severe end critical care and some of those sadly will die.

But that’s a minority, it’s 1% or possibly even less than 1% overall.

And even in the highest risk group this is significantly less than 20%, ie. the great majority of people, even the very highest groups, if they catch this virus, will not die.

And I really wanted to make that point really clearly…”

How does that align with the Sunday times article above? Psychopath?

205820 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Basics, 6, #469 of 1695 🔗

What’s the posh medico word for ‘does not understand that people know when you are lying’?

205826 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to karenovirus, 4, #470 of 1695 🔗

Anti-social personality disorder? Although that would probably cover don’t care as well as don’t understand.

205833 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to karenovirus, 6, #471 of 1695 🔗

Pants-on-fire? But that’s three words. The fucks in the NHS took thr direction so they nerd to burn in hell too. The journals who sat in the little webcams asking ctsp beth rigby and andrew peston question instead of holding them to account need to burn in hell to.

It’s going to get quite fiery down there.

205859 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to karenovirus, 9, #472 of 1695 🔗


205823 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Basics, 8, #473 of 1695 🔗

The more sympathetic interpretation might be that, like so many others, he has done as he was told at critical points, and his compliance has not covered his back but deepened his complicity. Like whole categories of institutions, in fact.

205838 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Ovis, 3, #474 of 1695 🔗

Thanks ovis. Can you suggest who was doing the telling in this instance? It’s good to have yoir sensible thoughts which are refreshing from my angered ones.

205901 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Basics, 4, #475 of 1695 🔗

Well that’s flattering. I know nothing. But what I would point out is the known chronology. SAGE was still against lockdown when Cummings was pushing it from within, and the decision seemed to come from the top politically with Ferguson giving cover. It’s politics. Beyond that, I don’t know.

By the way, I am also angry and quite fearful. That’s normal.

205943 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Ovis, 3, #476 of 1695 🔗

My guess is that they were all for herd immunity (with some trepidation) until Ferguson’s projection and then they all panicked.

205986 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Julian, 2, #477 of 1695 🔗

The problem with that version of events is that Ferguson’s model was never uncontroversial, never above criticism, and there are several people in SAGE who must have known that. I see Ferguson as cover for a decision that had already been made. If the ‘experts’ remained committed to herd immunity they could have laughed Ferguson’s ‘reasonable worst case’ out of court. Ferguson plus mood music from the top was clear guidance that the ‘right answer’ had changed. So they fell into line. Now, of course, they are committed.

What that leaves unanswered is Basics’ basic question: who gave the order (and why)? Answers on a postcard, please.

206241 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Ovis, 2, #478 of 1695 🔗

I fear we shall never know, and those involved directly may not even be able to recall clearly as many of them could be delusional. Yes, with some resolve Ferguson’s paper could have been discounted, but the motivating force of even a small chance of being blamed for all those deaths, having been advised of it, coupled with seeing what was happening in other countries, should not be underestimated.

206175 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Ovis, 2, #479 of 1695 🔗

Get angrier and less fearful. That’s also normal for a sceotic.

206237 ▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Ovis, 2, #480 of 1695 🔗

aiding & abetting/conspiracy to commit negligent manslaughter perhaps? how sympathetic is that…

206231 ▶▶ dommo, replying to Basics, 2, #481 of 1695 🔗

just a massive massive liar and/or (more importantly) criminally negligent

205828 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 34, #482 of 1695 🔗

It really is a brilliant psychological trick to have people think that wearing a mask and distancing is “doing it for others”

Because it used to be if you don’t want to take the risk, don’t play the game.

Now it’s participation trophies all round. I get to do my thing and the world must change around me. Basically the SJW view of the world and abdicating responsibility.

If you wish to sacrifice yourself for the common good so be it. I choose to live with risks and get on with things.

205834 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to mhcp, 20, #483 of 1695 🔗

Masks are very clever because they are easy and cheap but also very observable.

205846 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to karenovirus, 25, #484 of 1695 🔗

They are the badge of compliance. A genius masterstroke from the enemy. I don’t wear one obviously.

205964 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to karenovirus, 7, #485 of 1695 🔗

They switched from ” wash your hands” pretty much unobservable to masks.

205851 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 6, #486 of 1695 🔗

For all those non-conspiracy folks out there, did you watch the Trump-Biden debate? Did you catch Biden’s reference to a “dark winter coming?”

The federal government carried out Operation Dark Winter in June 2001, a simulation exercise focused on how to respond to a covert biological attack using a super-strain of smallpox from an unknown source. It involved draconian lockdowns, rioting in the streets, and military intervention to quell the chaos. You can read about it in an article that appeared earlier this year in the elitist magazine Foreign Policy titled America’s Pandemic War Games Don’t End Well . The magazine admits the current coronavirus pandemic “bears an eerie resemblance to the simulation.”


205865 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #487 of 1695 🔗

What about anthrax being sent through the post soon after 11th September the same year?

205879 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to p02099003, 3, #488 of 1695 🔗

Speaking of biological chemical attacks. Here’s a few thoughts on the 2019-20 equivalent https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/10/magic-novichok/

Biological weapons are just so darn murky aren’t they.

205895 ▶▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Basics, 3, #489 of 1695 🔗

Reading what Craig has to say about almost everything these days (Sturgeon’s fit up of Salmond as well as Novichok) makes you realise how much trouble we are in a species.

205892 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to p02099003, 3, #490 of 1695 🔗

Whitney Webb wrote about this several months back. Long article with detailed references. https://www.unz.com/wwebb/all-roads-lead-to-dark-winter/

205858 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 19, #491 of 1695 🔗

Well done to this bloke:


And someone should tell Tesco that “we was only following orders” is not an excuse and has not been accepted since 1946.

205878 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #492 of 1695 🔗


205888 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #493 of 1695 🔗

Really very well done them. I hope it goes viral. Have shared onwards.

205914 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #494 of 1695 🔗

That equals the guy strutting down the road naked except wearing face panties as actual panties over his nether regions.

205880 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 10, #495 of 1695 🔗

Fauci on masks

205887 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #496 of 1695 🔗

Any idea of a date for that discovery by Fauci and any validation ?

205903 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to karenovirus, 4, #497 of 1695 🔗

Yes of genuine (don’t think the date matters much) that’s a killer quote as in “masks are killers”.

205890 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to PastImperfect, 10, #498 of 1695 🔗

What’s the betting this is the finding that has been replicated in Denmark? If the study was inconclusive, it would have been published. For this level of censorship they must have found evidence that the masks are harmful, even in the narrow terms in which they are supposed to be beneficial.

205912 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ovis, 3, #499 of 1695 🔗

I’ve seen photos of those Spanish flu masks, they look like large triangulated surgical bandages of the style sported by preteen cowboys and gangsters.

205891 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to PastImperfect, #500 of 1695 🔗


205913 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to PastImperfect, 3, #501 of 1695 🔗

Masks made no, positive, difference at all. That’s now a fact.

206174 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Jay Berger, 3, #502 of 1695 🔗

But they achieve exactly what us wanted, i.e. serve as a badge of subservience and an incitement to the persecution of the barefaced.

205921 ▶▶ Basics, replying to PastImperfect, 3, #503 of 1695 🔗

This appears to be a reference to a Red Cross paper written in approximately 1920 (1922?) in which they looked at the Red Cross Spanish Flu action of issuing ‘gauze’ face masks. They determined that the action had caused increases of infection and subsequent deaths. For memory because of embolded behaviours – feeling safe because of the mask when in fact not being. It would be nice if someone has the link to the Red Cross paper.

205952 ▶▶ 2 pence, replying to PastImperfect, #504 of 1695 🔗

I read that study,it says nothing about the masks.


205956 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, #505 of 1695 🔗

Apologies if it is junk. A pity.

205889 Hoppy Uniatz, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 15, #506 of 1695 🔗

So when the march finally got back to Trafalgar Square yesterday afternoon, I was standing a bit back, resting my feet, when a couple of young constables came up to me and said “we hope it’s going to be a peaceful protest.”
Hoppy (ruefully), “Oh dear, I’m not that threatening am I.”
They laughed and said no and after a bit they moved away again, but I wonder now if they knew that the tougher police were planning to show up at tea time (I’d gone off for tea by then) and this was by way of a veiled warning? I’ve no idea and if it was, I’m sure it was kindly meant but perhaps a bit obscure?

205904 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 9, #507 of 1695 🔗

Well done for attending.
It’s a self declared policy to get protesters more pliable by wearing soft uniforms and engaging one on one to establish ‘relationships’ and then send in the heavies.

That used to be the BTP who were known to Londoners (as I then was) to be thick as sh*t but not too bothered about the technicalities.

205962 ▶▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to karenovirus, 4, #508 of 1695 🔗

I remember in 1979 being bundled into the back of a SPG Ford Transit in Victoria with a couple of other lads given a bit of a duffing up and thrown out in Pimlico that taught us not to wear replica football shirts to the football on Saturday’s

206516 ▶▶ dommo, replying to Adam, #510 of 1695 🔗

trouble is, you really don’t want the labour alternative led by a member of the trilateral commission. be careful what you wish for…

205916 Saved To Death, replying to Saved To Death, 17, #511 of 1695 🔗

The NHS also refused non-urgent treatment to everybody else.
Where were the objections from the NHS while the government terrorised the population to the point where they would fear seeking even urgent treatment.

How many non elderly are going to die as a result of lack of proper medical care this year. I feel that this article just begins to scratch the surface. All this taking place against a backdrop of empty hospitals.

205922 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Saved To Death, 9, #512 of 1695 🔗

and the government have commandeered the private hospitals, so you cant even pay to get treatment.

When will people get the fact that the so-called wonderful NHS is not a healthcare system at this stage. In fact we barely have any healthcare in the UK

205927 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Saved To Death, 12, #513 of 1695 🔗

Clappity McClapface and neighbours saw off any possible questioning. Take a moment to consider how peculiar and forced that clapping was. It came out of the behaviour insights team at the same time as Whitty’s scheme.

205955 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Basics, 5, #514 of 1695 🔗

The people standing outside no. 10 clapping had the sleazy smiles of the liar.

205934 ▶▶ Mark H, replying to Saved To Death, 7, #515 of 1695 🔗

One of the big issues that’s continually ignored is the impact of delaying and postponing cancer screenings. The deaths from this won’t occur this year or maybe even next year. But they will happen.

206223 ▶▶ dommo, replying to Saved To Death, 1, #516 of 1695 🔗

criminal prosecutions for negligent manslaughter must surely follow…?

206774 ▶▶▶ dommo, replying to dommo, #517 of 1695 🔗

The offence of gross negligence manslaughter (GNM) is committed where the death is a result of a grossly negligent (though otherwise lawful) act or omission on the part of the defendant.

205918 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 13, #518 of 1695 🔗

Two papers which are way beyond my ability to understand in detail but posting here for interest. Both are connected with many suspicions that Sars-Cov2 or a similar virus circulated before. There are many things which are puzzling. Few cases outside Wuhan in the rest of  China. The remarkable low C-19 infection in Taiwan but also Vietnam and Thailand. The peculiarities in US with C-19 infection in California and the slow progress of infection compared to NY. San Francisco, a very high density population, with just over 130 C-19 deaths compared to NY. Strong suspicion of an earlier infection Dec Jan in in the Pacific rim in US and also low cases in Hawaii.
The first paper published in prestigious medical journal in June is from Taiwan. Very technical but goes into the possibility of origin possibly 40 years ago. They also mention that the virus is remarkable adapted to humans and that it is against the accepted recent animal-human transmission.
The second paper is independently published in July. They discuss in details the miners in Yunan 1000 km from Wuan infected with a mysterious lung disease 2012.In short, they think it was a bat infections to humans but the miner had illness for a considerable time. Specimen was taken from the miners and transported to Wuhan frozen. This could not be worked upon until the high security laboratory was in place in Hubei. They suspect a lab accident but the article does not go into bioweapon etc. They only describe a hypothesis that the virus was well adapted to humans from the beginning which is contrary to established view. There have been several lab accidents with SARS virus in China earlier. That was hypothetical just another one. The unfortunate was that the Wuhan population had no previous immunity and perhaps different from population in Yunann and South China. This is not a conspiracy theory or discussion of bioweapon research but any discussion of alternate origin form recent animal human infection seems to be forbidden in the current climate.
The origin and underlying driving forces of the SARS-CoV-2 outbreak
“In contrast to adaptive evolution previously reported for SARS-CoV in its brief epidemic, our analysis of SARS-CoV-2 genomes shows signs of relaxation of selection which, in combination with an ancient intergenomic introgression in RBD of spike protein, suggests that SARS-CoV-2 might have cryptically circulated within humans for years before being recently noticed.”

“Anyone who doubts this pressure should read the interview with Sorensen in Norway’s Minerva magazine in which Sørensen discusses the “reluctance” of journals to publish his assessment that the existence of a virus that is “exceptionally well adjusted to infect humans” is “suspicious” and “cannot have evolved naturally”. The source of this reluctance, says Sørensen, is not rationality or scientific evidence. It results from conflicts of interest. This mirrors our experience. To find genuinely critical analysis of COVID-19 origin theories one has to go to Twitter, blog posts, and preprint servers. The malaise runs deep when even scientists start to complain that they don’t trust science.”

205938 ▶▶ Basics, replying to swedenborg, 2, #519 of 1695 🔗

Possibly circulated for up to 40 years before killing a sausage. Untrusables all about us.

Thanks Swedenborg. I notice this again is genome research. Is the virus being cultivated in labs yet?

207205 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Basics, #520 of 1695 🔗
205957 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to swedenborg, 2, #521 of 1695 🔗

Your last sentence is the terrifying reality we’re now faced with.

205973 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #522 of 1695 🔗

It is good that it is recognised now to be the situation. Untrustables. One step on from this same untrustable situation being hidden from view.

One angle to promote and publicise.

Dr Kevin Corbett makes some extraordinarily clear points about these kinds of practices going back to the 80s.

One of the greats from 2020 in my view.

206065 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to swedenborg, 2, #523 of 1695 🔗

The only thing I’d say about the “cannot have evolved naturally” comment is that improbable things are happening all the time. Once it happens the probability of it happening becomes irrelevant.

206168 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Nobody2020, #524 of 1695 🔗

Sometimes the public has believed at least six improbable things before breakfast.

206723 ▶▶ TJN, replying to swedenborg, 1, #525 of 1695 🔗

I never did get why it didn’t ‘rip through’ the rest of China, and left other East Asia countries relatively untouched as well, although there was one obvious possibility. Back in late March I was wondering whether those peoples had some immunity already.

And then there are the persistent questions about how early it was in Europe, and how in many regions of England an covid-19- type symptom virus passed. through in December-January. Especially down here in the far SW, where several people I know had it (inc. me and family). Strangely, covid-19 never really put in much of an appearance here, either in March-My or now. Do we have T-cell immunity in Devon/Cornwall? –

Real scientists would be pursuing this, but we seem to have a dearth of those.

205925 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #526 of 1695 🔗

Anna Brees making a map of small groups rising up.


205933 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #527 of 1695 🔗

Is this for future repercussions or is it to actually help us?

206720 ▶▶ MutzNutz, replying to Country Mumkin, #528 of 1695 🔗

Yeah. Even more groups of numpties banging on about 5G & Qanon. The woman is a grifter who takes advantage of damaged and desperate people. DYOR!!

205928 Sue, 18, #529 of 1695 🔗

For a little light hearted story – a bloke went into tesco with only mask and pants on as clothes are now ‘non-essential’ items in the welsh gulag – brilliant!!

Here’s the link (mail not my normal news source but clicked the link below about Blunkett’s article there which is reasonably good and recommend and this story advertised – honest guv!)


205931 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 19, #530 of 1695 🔗


Good from Heneghan in the Spectator. This part is interesting:

“Next came a print paper written by SAGE members to support a two-week ‘circuit breaker’, leaked to the press. The reports were striking.

“‘With no social distancing measures in place from now until January, the virus could potentially spiral out of control and kill 217,000 people, hospitalise 316,000 and infect 20.7 million. But with a strict two-week lockdown the number of deaths could be reduced by 100,000, admissions by 139,000 and infections by 6 million.’

Understandably, this made headlines. But when the lead author was interviewed by the BBC, he said that he wished he ‘hadn’t put these numbers in the study’ because it was an extreme scenario only included ‘for illustration’.”

205939 ▶▶ Julian, replying to A. Contrarian, 10, #531 of 1695 🔗

Yes, but like Vallance & Whitty’s “not a prediction” – cynical, wicked. They know very well the headlines will feature their “not a prediction” but cover themselves in the small print

205959 ▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Julian, 1, #532 of 1695 🔗

I’ve read the Keeling et al paper and agree that it has been publicised in a misleading way, but not quite for the same reason. The conclusions of the paper is that social constraints will reduce the number of cases, deaths etc. in a given time period . It does not claim that the long-term numbers will be reduced by that amount, and in fact I suggest that they will not. I did my own very simple modelling which suggests that in general a fixed period of social measures followed by a return to the status quo ante simply postpones the course of the epidemic without affecting the long-term outcomes. Indeed the paper cited states “potentially allowing other measures (such as contact tracing)to regain control.”

205976 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Richard Pinch, 3, #533 of 1695 🔗

It’s a tricky one because the media will quote people out of context whatever happens – I just think that there’s a strong possibility that some of the scientists are deliberately leaving in “worst case scenario” stuff that they know is probably not worth serious consideration.

My view is that all sides in this have a responsibility to remain calm and measured, given the levels of hysteria which just lead to public and politicians egging each other on to make ill judged decisions.

205981 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Julian, 1, #534 of 1695 🔗

This was openly admitted by the northern-ireland Health Minister. Scaremongering was the order of day.


206103 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #535 of 1695 🔗

From a Commons Science and Technology Committee report

Reasonable worst case scenario

75. The second stage of the [National Risk Assessment process is assessing risks and their impacts. Risks are assessed using available historical, statistical and scientific data. Where possible, the assessment should take account of probable developments over the next five years.[ 75 ] Impacts are assessed against five main criteria:

the numbers of fatalities that are likely to be directly attributable to the emergency;

the extent of human illnesses or injury over a period following the onset of an emergency;

social disruption;

economic damage; and

the potential for significant outrage and anxiety to be caused to communities.[ 76 ]

76. The assessment leads to the development of a “reasonable worst case scenario” for every risk. The reasonable worst case scenario is “designed to exclude theoretically possible scenarios which have so little probability of occurring that planning for them would be likely to lead to disproportionate use of resources.”[ 77 ] The Government stated that:

They are not predictions of what will happen but of the worst that might realistically happen, and therefore we would expect most pandemics to be less severe and less widespread than the reasonable worst case. By planning for the reasonable worst case planners are assured that they have a high probability of meeting the demands posed by the hazard should it occur.[ 78 ]

77. We discuss the communication of the reasonable worst case scenario to the public and emergency responders in chapter 5.

In chapter 5 we find

123. If, following the GCSA’s Blackett Review, the concept of a reasonable worst case scenario is retained, we recommend that the Government must make continual efforts to establish the concept of “most probable scenarios” with the public. While the Government should be open about the worst case scenarios being used by emergency responders, it should use the experience of the 2009 pandemic to emphasise the range and likelihood of various possibilities. While we do not expect this to remove all the problems associated with communicating risk and uncertainty, we consider that it may provide the public with a better sense of the likely risks.

(Emphasis in the original).

206167 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Richard Pinch, 1, #536 of 1695 🔗

Did the govt want the public to have an understanding of the likely risks?
Or did it set out to scare them shitless?

206264 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to annie, #537 of 1695 🔗

It was the second option. A diabolical assault on the British people by our government. This was no accident!

205951 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to A. Contrarian, 11, #538 of 1695 🔗

Interesting to see CH and TJ state clearly here (if they have done so previously, I have missed it) that CEBM are having access to crucial healthcare data blocked.

Another thought – just want to acknowledge Tom Jefferson’s (and indeed other researchers at CEBM) work. Carl is the public face, but we have a lot to thank the whole team for.

206127 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to A. Contrarian, #539 of 1695 🔗

What is often not included in Worst Case Scenario planning is how much money are you going to waste chasing a dream of perfection. Happens in the space industry all the time. Lots of years engineering and testing to reduce risk of a key component when the chance it will ever survive to initial operations is around 1 in 13. So you spend years wasting your money when you could have at least flown something (and hence made more money due to flight heritage).

Myopia is a common side effect.

We see that here too.

206260 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to A. Contrarian, #540 of 1695 🔗

It’s time to put these mathematicians in permanent Lockdown. They are bonkers!

205942 Henry, 3, #541 of 1695 🔗

Someone posted this yesterday from WEF


Interesting how they tabulate Zika virus and T4 bacteriophage in different units to what appears to make SARS-cov2 look orders of magnitude bigger when it’s not. Sleight of hand?

205944 Victoria, 8, #542 of 1695 🔗

Yesterday Rosie posted this

Regarding the philosopher wanting a Greta-in reverse, she already exists! Naomi Seibt – she’s on Twitter which I don’t use so perhaps someone can post up some of her Tweets.

I hope the philosophy teacher reads this.

Twitter profile: I don’t want you to panic. I want you to think.

Website: https://naomiseibt.com
Climate of Freedom: The Naomi Seibt Institute

Naomi Seibt exposing the PCR test (German)

205958 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 27, #543 of 1695 🔗

Some further good news from the March yesterday. The police were uncertain where it was going to go when it left Speakers Corner. I heard some of their radio traffic. “We’re trying to clear a route for them”.
It started suddenly and went off in a tidal wave down Oxford Street, which still had busses and taxis which were marooned in the flood. There was much good humour, especially with the bus drivers, who opened their windows, took leaflets, honked their horns, and removed their masks (the ones that were wearing them in the first place). High fives out of their windows.

I get the impression that Khan could be left like the Ceaușescus on their balcony when the crowd started booing. They were hung shortly afterwards. Too much to ask for a repeat, I suppose?

206156 ▶▶ annie, replying to James Leary #KBF, 1, #544 of 1695 🔗

Shot, not hanged. But either would do for the Fascist junta, and for Josef Stalin Dripfeed, who is definitely Wales’s answer to Ceausescu.

206939 ▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to annie, #545 of 1695 🔗

Shooting’s too good for them.

205965 Bruce A Crichton, #546 of 1695 🔗

Why link to a commentary on Mary Whitehouse?

She was the forerunner of today’s cancel culture social justice warriors.

205968 Basics, replying to Basics, 7, #547 of 1695 🔗

The monsters at the Great Reset hq the world economic forum give you this advice –

“Are there any myths about the virus or bad company practices that business owners should be aware of?

“One of the main myths surrounds the use of masks, which are not effective for the general population to wear. Masks should be reserved for health personnel, sick people and people at home caring for those with the virus. Wearing masks when you are not sick does little to stop the virus spreading and causes shortages of supplies for the people who really need them.”


Advertised on that page is the WEF Jobs reset summit.

205971 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Basics, 6, #548 of 1695 🔗

So the mask agenda is not likely to be secretly driven by the WEF?

206187 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #549 of 1695 🔗

The answer to the question of who imposed mask wearing would reveal which is the most powerful of the various global powers. China stands to gain financially, but I suspect Gates, not because he’s the easy answer, but from the nudging trail and who funds what. Hopefully the world’s sleuths are hot on the trail.

205982 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Basics, 6, #550 of 1695 🔗

It really is crazy how people just belive that the science changed over night.

206004 ▶▶▶ dpj, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 8, #551 of 1695 🔗

I’ve said this on here before. As far as I can see the timeline is roughly as follows:

1) WHO and lots of other experts say masks do nothing and/or can cause harm
2) Trump refuses to make masks mandatory and Biden politicises this
3) Trump withdraws US funding for WHO and Biden says he’ll restore it if election won
4) WHO does massive u-turn and says masks actually vital
5) Lots of countries blindly follow WHO advice

I can see a definite motivation for sudden u-turn

206043 ▶▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to dpj, 1, #552 of 1695 🔗

Trump was disappointingly very much pro mask in his 60 minutes interview.
Not credible and for electoral reasons in light of Americans huge uptake of masks (see new AIER article), but still disappointing and not foreboding a return of common sense in that and related regards even if he

206095 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to dpj, #553 of 1695 🔗

I’d say the timeline is exactly as follows, rather than roughly

206005 ▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #554 of 1695 🔗

If you told people that mathematicians have discovered that PI is actually exactly 3 they’d probably believe it these days.

206048 ▶▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to captainbeefheart, 3, #555 of 1695 🔗

As 90% wouldn’t know what Pi is, that is a given.

206083 ▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to captainbeefheart, #556 of 1695 🔗

No, it was the politicians who did that — the “Indiana Pi Bill”.

205974 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 13, #557 of 1695 🔗

Daily Mail: SIR ROCCO FORTE: Matt Hancock’s ineptitude is bankrupting my industry – it’s time he was sacked.

206080 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Tom Blackburn, 7, #558 of 1695 🔗

Why are these people speaking out only now? About 3 months late.
But I guess we should be happy they speak up at last.
Hospitality has been my career for over 20 years, but I am taking a break as this is not hospitality at the moment.

206203 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Silke David, 1, #559 of 1695 🔗

My thoughts exactly.

It’s like the same muppets who glady pushed masks on their employees and rolled up the plexiglass to customers are now saying the measures are too much? Of course, because they are still asleep they’ll ask to open up as they are Covid secure. Still playing the game, still dancing.

206306 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Silke David, 2, #560 of 1695 🔗

In fairness to Rocco Forte, he was one of the earliest high profile coronapanic dissenters.Here he is back in April:

We MUST lift this lockdown: Hotel boss speaks out after recovering from coronavirus

207240 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Silke David, #561 of 1695 🔗

To be fair Sir Rocco Forte was one of the those who spoke out against lockdowns early on but he was vilified for it.

It would have been great had he persisted.

205975 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 11, #562 of 1695 🔗

Fauci on the BBC’s Andrew Marr show this morning asserted that the only way to be immune from the coronavirus was by vaccine. Andrew Marr, rather than challenge this claim, did an impression of one of those nodding dogs that used to grace the back of cars.

206197 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #563 of 1695 🔗

Marr is pathetic

206554 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #564 of 1695 🔗

He’s a propagandist. The soft ball interview was entirely deliberate. It was a planned attack on Trump and promotion of “the science” of lockdowns, etc.

205977 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 5, #565 of 1695 🔗

Personally, I’m not too sure that I’d give much credence to the article about the vaccine, from a “leaked” email from the chief executive of a small NHS Trust, George Eliot.

205999 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to p02099003, 4, #566 of 1695 🔗

This vaccine is like the second wave but instead of being two weeks away, it is always 6-8 weeks away.

206149 ▶▶ annie, replying to p02099003, #567 of 1695 🔗

George Eliot?

205987 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 12, #568 of 1695 🔗

Yesterday Marialta published this:

Mercola certainly has a lot of alternative products to sell on his website and Is highly controversial – put me off

My comment:
This is a typical statement made by the forces that want to censor him labelling him as controversial and referring to his ‘audacity’ to sell products – and you are repeating it. Shame on you!!

No income, no free health information. No advertisements on his site. No request for donations. None of his articles refer to any of his products. In fact, many people that comment on his articles do not even know that he sells products.

All his articles are properly referenced and he often quote the interviews he had with many doctors, professors, scientists, etc (many of those also publicly challenging the lockdown narrative).

Many of his articles over the years have been highlighting the same issues as what we get from lockdownsceptics (LS) on a daily basis. LS depends on donations to survive. No-one can survive without money.


206072 ▶▶ LS99, replying to Victoria, 1, #569 of 1695 🔗

Well said!

207321 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to LS99, #570 of 1695 🔗

Yep, Mercola is a good lad.

205992 John P, replying to John P, 33, #571 of 1695 🔗

Peter Hitchens on Twitter, this morning, was asked the following question:

“Mr Peter Hitchens, have you at all have any suspicious reasons as to why our government and others are systematically destroying our way of life?”


“No. I have met these people. Politicians are competent at nothing except ambition and outwitting their rivals, and they are driven largely by vanity. Few know anything, feel curiosity or have any experience of the world.”

206007 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to John P, 10, #572 of 1695 🔗

My views on Mr H have changed completely in the last 8 months. Top man.

206129 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to John P, 7, #573 of 1695 🔗

Even if you believe this is all down to incompetence; then you would have to concede that the politicians are now conspiring to hide their initial incompetence.

206135 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 3, #574 of 1695 🔗

That is exactly the exercise in which we have been engaged since the fateful decision was made to clear sick pensioners into care homes to die in their thousands.

206147 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Will, 2, #575 of 1695 🔗

So what would explain the identical reaction in other countries and the hysterical over reaction in Australia.

206204 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 2, #576 of 1695 🔗

Er … conspiracy?

206220 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 3, #577 of 1695 🔗

Arse covering, and mad flailings in the hope of finding something that stops it from spreading and for which they can claim credit. “Oh look, we saved you.”

Far too late now of course, but at the end of the initial three weeks, they could just as easily said “time to return to normal. Panic over folks, move along, nothing to see here.”

206272 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #578 of 1695 🔗

Why do the measures seem to be like the implementation of a police state?

206337 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #579 of 1695 🔗

Standard political panic. As anybody from Northern Ireland who lived through the Troubles could tell you.

206698 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #580 of 1695 🔗

If they look like ducks, walk like ducks, and quack …

205996 p02099003, 3, #581 of 1695 🔗

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/local-news/official-list-long-term-health-4636333 , the list is fairly typical of many post infection side effects.

206001 GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 17, #582 of 1695 🔗

“Protect the NHS” inject all the staff with an unknown, untested vaccine. Aye right.

206018 ▶▶ steph, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 8, #583 of 1695 🔗

Yes, for the NHS frontline workers who have done us proud (there are many non tiktokkers amongst them). I hope this will not be a condition of keeping their jobs.

206045 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 5, #584 of 1695 🔗

No one can get treated now. If they finish off half the NHS staff, will anyone notice???

206301 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, #585 of 1695 🔗

I’m a bit concerned us civil servants might also be in the frame for a jab

206326 ▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to stefarm, #586 of 1695 🔗

As long as we’re kept in incarceration sorry, working from home we might be OK. I wouldn’t however be at all surprised to see vaccination programs made available in the main buildings for the sheep. From conversations with colleagues and reading the comments on the intranet I get the impression that our organisation has more than its fair share of sheep! If enough of them voluntarily take it, they might leave us free thinkers alone.

206823 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, #587 of 1695 🔗

Indeed, some of the messaging and propaganda on the site is pretty nauseating.

206002 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 8, #588 of 1695 🔗

If they give the vax to NHS staff before Christmas, does that mean loads of them will be off with flu-like side effects, just as the seasonal respiratory virus situation is about to hit the NHS?

206019 ▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #589 of 1695 🔗

Welcome to clown world, coming to a hospital near you soon

206041 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #590 of 1695 🔗

An unlicensed unproven vaccine. What possibly could go wrong???

206003 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, -3, #591 of 1695 🔗

We can’t really say that masks work. What we can say is that they may have an effect.

The effect is slight at best and the maths suggests some sort of percentage change in infections. This may seem good on paper but in reality, as per Chris Whitty, it does not very much at all. Why is this?

Well consider the interactions happening between people all day, every day. Say 7 Billion people are all interacting multiple times a day with other people. That’s a lot of interactions. If a mask has a 1% effect on transmission, it may work for one interaction but not for any of the other interactions, or only a few (take your pick). All it takes is 1 point of transmission and the mask has effectively done nothing.

It would be like me rolling a 100 sided die. I say that the first time I roll 100 I will ignore it. Then I proceed to roll it 1 million times. That first 100 I ignored is insignificant because I will expect to roll 100 multiple times out of those 1M rolls.

206013 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to Nobody2020, 9, #592 of 1695 🔗

And there are negative harmful effects too.
Wouldn’t it be great if we had a study of mask wearing in the community in a similar country to ours e.g. Denmark.

And an observation from the London protest yesterday – I noticed a couple of police vans leaving Parliament Square with most or all of their occupants maskless. So while standing around in a stiff breeze they were masked up and as soon as they get into a crowded stuffy enclosed space off come the masks.

206030 ▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Andy Riley, 6, #593 of 1695 🔗

And the (only) place where masks could make a difference IF they worked at all, is the one where they are completely impractical and not mandated: at the dining and conference table, where those dreaded 10minute+ long conversations in close proximity to each other take place, that were shown to be the primary way of infection a long time ago already.

206086 ▶▶▶▶ dpj, replying to Jay Berger, 5, #594 of 1695 🔗

The main places where infections are spreading still seems to be hospitals, care homes, homes and workplaces. These are the main places that colds would normally spread eg one person comes in to work with a cold and 3 or 4 others who sit at desks around them catch it. Can anyone honestly say they’ve caught a cold after briefly walking past someone in a supermarket?

206206 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to dpj, 1, #595 of 1695 🔗

Its definitely the hospitals.

206006 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 19, #596 of 1695 🔗

Good to hear there were so many others from Lockdown Sceptics attending yesterday’s rally! The crowd was too large to circulate properly to find out really. There were a couple of familiar faces, which means many more must have been scattered through the crowd.

As usual, I was in town early and had a good breakfast at my usual place (Breadline Cafe, Duncannon Street). A mooch around the town centre followed, finding nothing out of the ordinary regarding the police. A solitary van patrolled Hyde Park. I was meeting someone outside Marble Arch Tube at 11-ish, but Hyde Park was deserted of protesters when I left it, and busy when we returned.

It got busier.

And busier.

On the ground, it’s difficult to see exactly how many people there are, but it spilled from Speaker’s Corner, even I could see that. There weren’t many police to begin with, but that soon changed, and they realised they were dealing with a far larger crowd than anticipated.

We didn’t leave on time. The organisers were concerned people meant for the United For Freedom march might get mixed up with the other march. Perhaps an academic point.

All I can say about the march itself is: wow. It’s rare you get a reaction like that from this old cynic, but it gets a wow. We were about 400 or 500 yards behind the front, and folk were saying that people were still leaving Hyde Park when we were well down Oxford Street. (As an aside, the police had closed the Oxford Street entrance/exit to Marble Arch Tube, anybody know why? Would love to know)

A slow tour of central London followed. Oxford Street, Charing Cross Road, New Scotland Yard (where we stopped for a chat with the bobbies there, who made us feel really welcome, not), then onto the Houses of Parliament. This was the first time I was aware that the police were gathering their forces and corralling their troops.

(I believe a lot of people stayed at or near the HoP after we left, though we met up again at Trafalgar Square)

Before they could do anything about us, we were off again, this time up Whitehall, where the police then got twitchy about Downing Street. We ignored them and continued up to Trafalgar Square, where the police again began to marshal their plodders. When they looked to be ready, we moved off again, this time to Leicester Square.

I was a bit twitchy about Leicester Square because it’s easy to kettle a protest there, even easier than Trafalgar Square, plus we pulled that stunt last week. We walked around the edge, mainly to avoid any kettle and, when it looked like the police were about to move in, we were off again. If this was deliberate, a masterful piece of organisation. Though I would caution we must do something different next month. Even Plod learns eventually.

It was back down to Trafalgar Square, though by this time the police were breaking up the demo. There weren’t really many other places left to go, so we hung left to Charing Cross Station, where we parted company. This was before TSG moved in. I hung around a little bit, but there were just small groups, talking, and all appeared fairly normal.

A brilliant day. The movement is growing and growing. Hopefully still more will turn up next month!

As an aside , I’m a bit concerned about the reports of non-English speaking TSG officers. It’s not something I noticed myself (we didn’t come into contact with TSG), but has anybody else noted it at all? Might be time for a FoI request to the Dick person.

206015 ▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #597 of 1695 🔗

“I’m a bit concerned about the reports of non-English speaking TSG officers”

Part of the EU Task Force?

206027 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to T. Prince, 5, #598 of 1695 🔗

It does make you wonder. The TSG officers (thugs) don’t engage with the crowd they are obviously all masked up so anything they say is difficult to comprehend and seem to have the sole intention of provoking a reaction so they can hurt as many people as possible.

206038 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to T. Prince, #599 of 1695 🔗

Local London recruits?? See my comment above.

206036 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #600 of 1695 🔗

It was mentioned a couple of weeks ago on a UK Column video, where they’d been emailed by several people who believed that some of the police/riot squad at Trafalgar Square were not English. The description was that some of them looked a bit “wild-eyed” suggesting either fear or drugs, but that’s a subjective term.
When watching various videos of the police present at Trafalgar Square it wasn’t obvious that there were many non-English police there.
London is now minority white English. The Met has gone woke, so it wouldn’t surprise me if they’d recruited plenty of non-English police, as that’s the majority now in London. Speaking English wouldn’t be a particular problem. It’s about “representing the local community,” not the country, like the BBC and most tv adverts.

206046 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #601 of 1695 🔗

Thanks for the report. In an ideal fantasy world, the next one wouldn’t be needed.

206049 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #602 of 1695 🔗

Thanks for the report. At the ‘moment of obstruction’ caused by police on the river side heading to HoP the youtube ruplty livestream was stopped – video is private and you need age verification to watch login messages appeared on screens that were watching. Sputnik youtube channel then was turned to, they cut their sound feed soon after but kept visual streaming.

The peaceful march had them panicked. It took at least 15 minutes to pass nelsoms column and even then the numbers were as thick as at the front. I don’t know how much longer as the camera guy was off in the procession again.

Others noticed the attitude of the bystanders. They looked interested and happy not violently opposed as perhaps the msm and 77th social media would lead us to expect.

Capturing tsg speaking in another language on video would be the right thing to do. Do TSG have epaulet numbers? If so absolutely make a record including location and time.

206105 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Basics, 3, #603 of 1695 🔗

They should have their number on their epaulettes and their name on their jacket. The only exception I have seen are Special Constables, who just have “SC” on the shoulder. They shouldn’t even be in an anti-riot situation, but we had one there on the 26th Sept.

And you’re right, they were panicked, I suspect they hadn’t expected the numbers and started pulling coppers in from everywhere.

206009 John P, replying to John P, 38, #604 of 1695 🔗

Peter Hitchens’ blog, this morning:

Johnson, the man who ruined Britain, continues to stamp across the landscape like a mad giant, squashing small businesses, obliterating jobs and then flinging funny money at the victims as if that could bring back what they have lost for ever.

By doing so he achieves nothing. The crisis which he claims to be dealing with exists only in twisted statistics and shameless propaganda.

No suspicion that he might be mistaken appears to have crossed his mind. Those of us who have tried using facts and reason to change his mind are more or less in despair. The funny money is visibly running out.

Increasingly, I fear that anger is the only force that will bring this misery to an end. I hope not, for that will bring new miseries. Can nobody reach him, while there is still time?

206039 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to John P, 4, #605 of 1695 🔗

Great post

206010 RickH, replying to RickH, 8, #606 of 1695 🔗

Just to be consistent re. dodgy data – I’m not sure about the Sunday Times article.

It’s use of the term ‘excess deaths’ and the figures quoted re. deaths ‘from’ Covid are highly questionable, even if the overall narrative fits in with much that has been said here.

Firstly – the ‘excess deaths’ number uses a short, recent time-span when deaths have been remarkably low. Seen in a longer time-frame, the mortality is not that spectacular.

Secondly – there is no examination of the ‘dry tinder’ factor, and the inference that higher deaths in the elderly population was predictable. A larger population of the elderly and vulnerable will show more mortality when an infectious disease hits.

Thirdly – accurate attribution to SARS-CoV-2 leading to Covid-19 is impossible, given the confusion around the recording of deaths.

Does it matter?

Yes – I think it does, given that our case rests on a claim to accuracy in terms of definition and data analysis. A responding inaccurate hyperbole doesn’t help.

206044 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to RickH, 3, #607 of 1695 🔗

The central message remains; the NHS was being overwhelmed because Pfeffel didn’t lock down quick enough. All decisions/mistakes followed this. So it is really just a doubling down on the official narrative around lockdowns albeit ‘could have done better’. B-

206295 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #608 of 1695 🔗

The point I was making is simply that the ‘massive excess deaths’ scenario – even when used to critique the government – is just inaccurate.

206462 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to RickH, 1, #609 of 1695 🔗

Yeah, I wasn’t disputing anything you said. Just that the article – at second glance – isn’t what it seems.

206011 T. Prince, 7, #610 of 1695 🔗

I think EVERYONE should follow the Governments and its advisors advice on masks……you know it makes sense


206012 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 25, #611 of 1695 🔗

Seeing a lot of the talk on non essential items, it really highlights the real evil behind this “non essential theme”..jobs, places, travel etc.
What’s essential to some, maybe non essential to others, but who has the right to choose, or even believes they have a right to choose?

The Liverpool gym fight, has really highlighted this, better than anything else I can think of. I’ve never been a big gym fan, but am well aware of how vital they are for a lot of people I know. The widespread closures of churches, pubs, cinemas, community centres etc. isn’t just affecting these businesses or institutions financially, it’s directly affecting the health of the nation. Worse, it is affecting the poor and vulnerable more.

I guess this a long winded way of saying that we’re right and the counter argument about the economy vs lives, is beyond deluded.

206021 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to PoshPanic, 19, #612 of 1695 🔗

What we’re effectively seeing is people telling others:

“You will live your life based on my values”

206054 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Nobody2020, 8, #613 of 1695 🔗

I will live my life based on my values, not the values of others, who frequently have their own interests in mind.

206136 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Nobody2020, 6, #614 of 1695 🔗

Their total lack of values, rather.

206181 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to PoshPanic, 6, #615 of 1695 🔗

100% I see my 5 a side twice a week as essential. It’s my only real time to spend with those guys as we all have busy lives. It is therapy to me as I was never all that good a player.

My children have sports clubs which I deem essential to their wellbeing. Cancelled.

Schools ditto. Closed.

Family visits. Banned.

Existing is not living

206219 ▶▶ kf99, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #616 of 1695 🔗

People question what is or is not essential. But they don’t question the basic concept. Dripford will u-turn and everything will be ok again. Sturgeon to copy him next month I imagine

206017 Awkward Git, 12, #617 of 1695 🔗

Any time Whitty is mentioned for wheeled out I think his most memorable quote should be thrown back at him, video I had done of it included:

Here is a link to video I downloaded from the Parlaimentlivetv website of CMO Whitty on 21st July 2020 stating:

“If you look at the R, and the behaviours, quite a lot of the change that led to the R going below one occurred well before, or to some extent before, the 23rd, when the full lockdown started.”


It’s 23 MB so too big too e-mail.

You can download it yourself on their website – set the start time at 10:58:00 and end time as 11:01 – their instructions are easy to follow.

He should be questioned on this every time he does an interview, every newspaper article and so on.

I know, I’m dreaming as even Toby only mentioned it once here in passing and it has only appeared in 2 tweets – Hector Drummond and Simon Dolan – and it has been buried by the MSM so I can only assume a DMSA notice or some other threat is in place as no-one will publish it.

206022 Silke David, 7, #618 of 1695 🔗

I am watching The Same Sky on All4.
A German tv production about live in Berlin (east and west) in 1974 and spies.
It eerily relates to Britain today.

206024 T. Prince, replying to T. Prince, 45, #619 of 1695 🔗

{Ferguson} told BBC Radio 4’s Today Programme: “It risks some transmission and there will be consequences of that. Some people will die because of getting infected on that {Christmas}day.

What an odious human being

206028 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to T. Prince, 26, #620 of 1695 🔗

No real difference to any other Christmas then. Unless he’s only just discovered that people die.

206070 ▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Nobody2020, 10, #621 of 1695 🔗

Rather similar to the number of people who will be killed in road accidents on Christmas Day, I would guess. Heart attacks go up around 40% on that day, too.

206051 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to T. Prince, 20, #622 of 1695 🔗

Suspect that now separated from his wife (and son), and without his bit of extra curricular, he is facing a Christmas alone. He is so self-obsessed he now wants the same for everyone else. Loathsome man.

206071 ▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to T. Prince, 6, #623 of 1695 🔗

It is very unfortunate that in academia (as far as I know) there is no explicit Code of Ethics.

206088 ▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 2, #624 of 1695 🔗

For academics as a whole, no. The individual academies, learned societies and professional bodies have their individual codes of conduct, which tend to be very similar. Prof. Ferguson is a Fellow of the Academy of Medical Sciences, which has a code of conduct here .

206120 ▶▶▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to Richard Pinch, #625 of 1695 🔗

Thank you for the clarification.

206211 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Richard Pinch, 2, #626 of 1695 🔗

I wouldn’t place too much reliance on in that particular bit of deontology, unless you think that promoting inclusiveness is the. answer to the world’s problems.
You can at least say for Pantsdown that his lifestyle is inclusive of other men’s wives.

206221 ▶▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to annie, 4, #627 of 1695 🔗

My question is,why does this psycho remain the go-to expert? It doesn’t seem to matter how many times his models are discredited. The Chuckle Brothers’ risible ‘2nd Wave’ graph was based on his latest rubbish and he is wheeled out at regular intervals to preach more tyranny and fear with his lies.

The whole lockdown horror show continues to be based on his fraudulent models. Is it really as simple as it’s because his college is funded by BMGF or do they really think the population will now believe any old shit and it doesn’t actually matter? It’s as if ‘they’ are sneering at us and we just lap it up. MW

206244 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 2, #628 of 1695 🔗

I’ve seen many times that he’s funded by Gates, lost track of the links.

206248 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ hat man, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 3, #629 of 1695 🔗

Why? Because it’s known he’ll make hugely exaggerated predictions, as he did all the previous times, and that’s what’s wanted. He’s the go-to man for that. Being correct doesn’t come into it. What we ‘believe’ doesn’t matter either. It’s how we behave that matters – as the Behavioural Insights team know.

206921 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to hat man, #630 of 1695 🔗

I must stop asking rhetorical questions! 😉 MW

206239 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 1, #631 of 1695 🔗

That’s the fundamental problem we face, as a society, the loss of Christianity inevitably means we also lose our ethics code. Needs replacing, religion-free asap.

206093 ▶▶ Basics, replying to T. Prince, 7, #632 of 1695 🔗

Is he a satanist? Not a glib question. Satanism is a religion accepted in the UK armed forces. His actions and thought processes are clearly different from most. His unusual lifestyle of having two households with children but the adults sexually open seems strange to me, perhaps that’s normal in Islington or where he resides . I wonder if he has undisclosed beliefs that make his contribution to the world seem good to him.

It seems impossible to grasp where he’s coming from – greed and incompetence doesn’t cut it for him in my view.

207081 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Basics, -1, #633 of 1695 🔗

Good question. People would be amazed how often those at the very top of any very lucrative trade or organisation are heavily infiltrated by satanists (or Common Purpose, which tends to have the same objectives).

206291 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to T. Prince, 1, #634 of 1695 🔗

Was he not risking transmission when he was climbing up the drain pipe of his married lover, looking for a knee trembler. The whole scam should if been shown up then.

207378 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to T. Prince, #635 of 1695 🔗

And more, I expect, will commit suicide on that day because of the hopelessness inflicted on the country by this ghastly, psychotic nerd and his witless politician patsies.

206025 Schrodinger, replying to Schrodinger, 3, #636 of 1695 🔗

Good review of some of the economic fallout etc.


206067 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Schrodinger, #637 of 1695 🔗

Good stuff 👍

206029 calchas, 14, #638 of 1695 🔗

The slaughter in the care homes and the refusal of the NHS to treat so many,ensured plenty of excess mortality on which to build the pandemic and to muddy the waters.

206037 calchas, replying to calchas, 8, #639 of 1695 🔗

Edward Curtin writes in an article today at Off-Guardian:

“These people have realized that the thing that their money and power must do is to create a world where trans-humanism must triumph and people of flesh and blood must be induced and forced to become the machines they have been told they are. If you doubt this is underway, research the World Economic Forum’s agenda, see what the Great Reset is about, the Build Back Better slogans, the massive push to create on-line existence for everyone, etc. As a recent ad I saw says: “The world is going digital.”

The goal of these mad technocratic elites is to create a fabricated reality where the visible world becomes nearly meaningless once the screen world becomes people’s “window on the world.” An electronic nothingness to replace reality as people in the industrialized countries gleefully embrace digital wraparound apparitions and the poor and vulnerable of this world suffer and die out of sight and out of mind. It is the fundamental seismic shift of our era and perhaps the greatest propaganda operation ever undertaken. A sort of end-times desperate gambit.”

worth reading in full.


206109 ▶▶ 2 pence, replying to calchas, 1, #640 of 1695 🔗

I watched last weekend.

In 2047 Paris, Nash (Mike Dopud) is a private detective hired by Dina (Jane Badler) of Synternis, a virtual reality company. 75% of the world is known as “the connected” spending their entire shortened lives on-line addicted to virtual reality. This has become the “bread and circus” of a new age..


206113 ▶▶ ianric, replying to calchas, 6, #641 of 1695 🔗

There was a discussion on the youtube channel Computing Forever. Their theory behind lockdown is to remove people from the real world and live their life online. Real world places such as pubs, restaurants, cinemas, nightclubs, churches and festivals where people meet are being forced to close or operate under restrictions. People can’t meet people outside their households or are restricted who they can meet and are encouraged to communicate online rather than in person. People are encouraged to work from home rather than attend a workplace. If shops go bust due to lockdown people will shop online rather than go to actual shops. Under Welsh lockdown rules non essential can’t be bought in shops which leaves no choice but to shop online.

206288 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to ianric, 2, #642 of 1695 🔗

We watched the Anthony Bourdain food series from Seattle (2018) on Netflix last night, know of him but never watched before. We specifically watched it because my musical hero mark lanegan was interviewed.

Seattle in 2018 was a boom town as Facebook, Google and Twitter built huge office space as well as lots of apartment blocks, small little rabbit hutch apartments – cue sideways glance to each other, eyebrows raised, hmmm.

The tech boom flew in the face of the Seattle music scene and introduced higher rent and pricing out local people.

Boirdain then met a couple who provided porn via AI headsets, avatars etc, immersive porn – cue sideways glance, hmm.

Bourdain then visited a Microsoft!!! Sponsored facility where he met a chef or was baking genetically modified bread and cakes that could be kept in small jars, the chef was so pleased with himself – hmm, cue another sideways glance and much discussion between us.

IMO the agenda laid out. People confined to small apartments being fed genetically modified food, socialising via AI headsets creating an illusion of being at a sports game, bar with friends.

Well worth a watch, maybe I’m reading to much into stuff nowadays.

206352 ▶▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to stefarm, #643 of 1695 🔗

Didn’t he commit suicide not long ago…??

206414 ▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Lms23, 1, #644 of 1695 🔗

Yes and rumours are his body was used to show Epstein was dead in prison.

Not too sure on that one but I enjoy reading these strange websites, makes me seem sane at times.

206489 ▶▶▶▶ ianric, replying to stefarm, #645 of 1695 🔗

Technology can be a blessing and a curse. In the case of lockdown technology has been a curse. Would lockdowns be possible without current technology. This point has been made before in the comments. When shops were closed, people could order things online. Pre internet the alternative to shops was mail order which was nowhere near as convenient as the internet. The internet means things you can’t buy in shops are available online. This may not have been the case with mail order as the range of items you could buy on mail order is much smaller than the internet. Prior to supermarkets moving to non food items, you could only buy items such as clothes in shops which specialized in them. When supermarkets moved to non food items, items were available in supermarkets sold by shops which couldn’t open. For instance, if electrical shops were closed, you could buy electrical items in supermarkets. The Welsh government has banned supermarkets selling so called non essentials but so far it has only happened in Wales. If pubs and bars were closed, beer could easily be ordered online. If restaurant were closed, ordering takeaway was made easier with apps.

If people couldn’t see people from outside their household, they could communicate by zoom and other apps. Current technology makes working from home possible and online learning. If people can’t see partners or form relationships, the porn technology described by Stefarm provides an alternative to actual sex.

Without current technology I am curious if governments would have dared introduce lockdowns or if they did would they have been as draconian. If governments had introduced lockdowns without current technology, would people have tolerated them.

206349 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to ianric, 1, #646 of 1695 🔗

Exactly. It’s all been so predictable, so it’s not as if any of this was unplanned.

206340 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to calchas, 1, #647 of 1695 🔗

Oh, joy.
A lot of people seem to think they’re offering a future like Star Trek, when in reality it’s more a cross between the Matrix and Soylent Green.

206345 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to calchas, 2, #648 of 1695 🔗

The Great Reset and The Man Behind the Curtain

This is an expose` of Klaus Schwab. It’s a long video, but goes through what Schwab believes and his vision of the future.
He and Soros make such good bedfellows. Shame we can’t get them all in one place, along with Greta and co, and nuke them out of existence.

206040 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 8, #649 of 1695 🔗

So Verhofsradt wants a Doomsday clause in any UK/EU agreement that, in the event of inevitable Borisian shenanigans, the entire treaty is cancelled forthwith.

Could this be a way out of lockdown mania? If the whole cabinet could be induced, by way of example, to volunteer for the vaccine trials a terminal event might put us all out of our misery.

206079 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Stuart, 1, #650 of 1695 🔗

Doomsday clause sounds good to me. So long as we have one in the UK as well.

206053 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 8, #651 of 1695 🔗

If the numbers (deaths, hospital admissions, cases, whatever) go down, it proves the measures work; if the numbers go up, it proves the need for more draconian measures/enforcement. And they call this science. It is no more scientific than the old joke where someone claims that his tearing up paper and littering the neighbourhood keeps away the tigers.

“But there are no tigers around here.”


206069 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #653 of 1695 🔗

The Swiss doctor website, commenting on what they thought was the likely content of the Danish mask trial, was of the view that it would be virtually impossible to do a meaningful study of whether masks help others. Life’s much easier if you can just base on all your policies on claims that sound good but are unfalsifiable.

206090 ▶▶ ianric, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #654 of 1695 🔗

I agree the lockdown Nazis are in a win win situation when it comes to number. As Steve Hayes says if numbers go down, they can argue lockdown is working and if numbers go up they can argue they would be even higher if it wasn’t for lockdown.

206128 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to ianric, 3, #655 of 1695 🔗

It is not a win win situation: it is proof that they are engaged in pseudoscience. Any scientific hypothesis is open to falsification; any assertion that is not open to falsification is not scientific.

206056 calchas, replying to calchas, 13, #656 of 1695 🔗

When someone says to you: “Well flu has virtually disappeared, that shows that masks and distancing work”, you simply ask why the flu has also ‘virtually disappeared’ in Sweden and Belarus.

206076 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to calchas, 3, #657 of 1695 🔗

And Japan

206064 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 13, #658 of 1695 🔗

The following Baby Products in Wales are classified as non-essential:

  • Dummies
  • Teethers
  • Bottles
  • Sippy Cups
  • Sleep suits
  • Sleep bags
  • Baby blankets


206068 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Victoria, 1, #659 of 1695 🔗

If I live in Wales, can I buy these items on the Internet?

206108 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #660 of 1695 🔗

Yep. So long as nobody in Wales gets the profit.

206110 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to annie, 8, #661 of 1695 🔗

So it is OK if the profit goes to Jeff Bezos?

206212 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #662 of 1695 🔗

Obviously yes.

206078 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Victoria, 1, #663 of 1695 🔗

Mayhar Tousi yesterday reported homeless people in Wales are not able to have a blanket, I believe he meant buy a blanket.

206098 ▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Victoria, #664 of 1695 🔗

Next they will be saying that actual nappies are non essential.

206106 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to AnotherSceptic, 5, #665 of 1695 🔗

They can’t do that, nappies go on faces these days and are of course essential, as a mark of enslavement.

206073 Commander Jameson, replying to Commander Jameson, 18, #666 of 1695 🔗

If Sweden invaded Britain tomorrow, I know whose side I would join up to fight on.

206081 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Commander Jameson, 13, #667 of 1695 🔗

Poster for the war effort

206092 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to PoshPanic, 8, #668 of 1695 🔗

How’s about a British bull dog wearing a Swedish flag waist coat – ”sweden leading by example”

206144 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #669 of 1695 🔗

That is excellent.

206138 ▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to Commander Jameson, 7, #670 of 1695 🔗

Maybe we should invite the Swedish King over – Prince of Orange style – for a new Glorious Revolution. I’d happily welcome the regime change.

206480 ▶▶▶ TT, replying to Jakehadlee, #671 of 1695 🔗

Well, the mother of the King of Sweden was a (paternal) gread-granddaughter of Queen Victoria (and a member of the Saxon House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, like the Belgian kings), so there IS an argument to be made there…!
Whether it’s any improvement remains to be seen: they’re basically from the same extended family as the ruling ‘Windsors’, royal bloodlines and consanguinity and all that …

206074 Basics, replying to Basics, 23, #672 of 1695 🔗

Remember those haunted, scared eyes of jackboot johnson as he did his masters bidding and announced three weeks to flatten. Remember those eyes, he knew then three weeks would elongate. The kinds of scheming his CMO whitty was making at that time could also reasonably have been known to have an effect of killing people. Doesn’t the SAGE document making the case for lockdown to the government include a figure of hundreds of thousands will die as a consequence of lockdown?

Were those frightened eyes the eyes of a killer or one who just realised he has no control over his situation and must be complicit knowingly in death?

A stage actor or actress, as one who studies body language, might hold some very interesting insight into those ghastly dead eyes and that sallow white face in March.

206084 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Basics, 11, #673 of 1695 🔗

They were the eyes of somebody who had completely lost the plot.

206107 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Basics, 8, #674 of 1695 🔗

Sturgeon has the same mad eyes, both compromised and they know it

206143 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Basics, 10, #675 of 1695 🔗

He knew he was lying.I was told a few days before lockdown that they were planning a 12 week lockdown by someone who worked in the home office.i remember at the time thinking it was ridiculous.

206176 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Basics, 4, #676 of 1695 🔗

He probably always looks like that when he gets a stiffy – can any of the mothers of his 357 children confirm this for us?

206075 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 32, #677 of 1695 🔗

Weekly deaths for England and Wales are consistent with the previous 4 years – hospital ICUs have normal occupancy for this time of year – people with severe respiratory problems are as expected for this time of year…

The very elderly and frail with week immune systems (as is normal at end of life), and with various comorbidities, are being helped on their way by various flu, corona, bla bla bla viruses – as is normal at this time of year
(but only c19 is tested for with a test that may or may not show presence of c19 or spent c19)

Take away the PCR testing, that is being used for a purpose it was not supposed to be used for and:

Everything is actually normal for this time of year – isn’t it?

206104 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Major Panic, 8, #678 of 1695 🔗

Yes it is. Heads need to roll and I live in hope to see it. It’s great to read so many comments in the DT that are anti lockdown as well as anti government. The worm finally turns?

I read an article about stretch limos being used to ferry immigrants to Manchester. As Manchester is now in Lockdown because of more Covid infections are we looking at the real reason why this has happened?

206227 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #679 of 1695 🔗

Have you got a link?

206330 ▶▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to stefarm, 4, #680 of 1695 🔗

Serco apologises after hiring stretch limo for asylum seekers
Published 14 October 2015

Not a new story, but shows just how totally f***ed up everything is. Especially anything to do with Serco.

206077 Hieronimusb, replying to Hieronimusb, 20, #681 of 1695 🔗

Evidently Mr Duckfart is under the impression that public health and jobs are non-essential items. Political point scoring and attempting to hold the Treasury over a barrel are, on the other hand, supremely important. The man is a tinfoil, tinpot tyrant with a clear agenda to wreak havoc with our lives here in Wales and should be (along with many others) subjected to public ridicule without mercy. We need a new form of ICU – Inhuman Crimes Unit!

206102 ▶▶ annie, replying to Hieronimusb, 8, #682 of 1695 🔗

I’m working on it. Stickering today.

206453 ▶▶▶ watashi, replying to annie, 1, #683 of 1695 🔗

do you make them yourself? can you share a good source? I would like to start doing this

206085 Poppy, replying to Poppy, 49, #684 of 1695 🔗


Students at the University of Manchester are planning to withhold rent monies; demanding a no-penalty early release clause from tenancy contracts for both this academic year and the next; and demanding an increase standard of support for students who are living in halls. There’s a similar rent strike happening at Bristol University as well.

Really nice to see students finally standing up for how disgracefully they’ve been treated. It takes a lot of courage, organisation and co-ordination to stand up against the the monolithic universities and their faceless admin blobs. Been feeling much more optimistic about things in general lately as well.

Remember that they’re only doubling down on restrictions against all rationality and logic because they know they’re on borrowed time, that they’ve been complicit in mass misery and death and that the evidence against them is mounting by the day.

206100 ▶▶ annie, replying to Poppy, 19, #685 of 1695 🔗

Three cheers for the students who are at last behaving like students and not hamsters
Hit the foul unis where it hurts – the bank account.

207068 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to annie, 1, #686 of 1695 🔗

I don’t understand why they don’t sue for breach of contract. You have to spend a lot of money on solicitors before it fails to be worth it, if you have paid 9000 for your tuition. Take a gap year until this crap is over, or go online to the Open University.

206140 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Poppy, 2, #687 of 1695 🔗

Whilst I welcome any rebellion to the rules, I hope this isn’t just because this is now impacting their wanting to have a good time. That they understand how much of a hoodwink is going on across all areas of this Covid response.

206160 ▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 8, #688 of 1695 🔗

I’d take any rebellion no matter the motivation.

206171 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #689 of 1695 🔗

Most people will only wake up when this nonsense impacts on their lives in a major way.Young students cannot be expected to understand all the implications of this.
Who cares why they are finally rebelling be thankful they are.

206087 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 23, #690 of 1695 🔗

Get out there and educate people!

A post from SORUK site:

Had to go to A&E yesterday with my son.
They asked us both to wear a mask – but this was after we’d already been there about half an hour and seen the triage nurse (who didn’t mention it).
I said I am exempt and the receptionist stuffed a mask in my hand and said “he has to wear it” and walked away…
Apparently kids 5+ have to in hospitals.
Of course I didn’t mask him up!!
When we got seen by the A&E doctor, he asked me why I was exempt – I said it’s trauma-related – he asked for my exemption letter from my GP comment image
I explained that no such letter exists or is a requirement and would he like me to show him the government guidelines that confirm that –
So we spent about 5 mins discussing this and him looking on my phone at the guidelines that CLEARLY state that no individual has to prove their exemption or carry something to prove it.
He asked me how I found that website – not sure if he wants to help others with this info or what his feelings or motives are – I didn’t want to get into it, I just wanted the help for my son we came for.
Sharing this incase it helps others who are worried about going into hospitals comment image I felt sad to see all the poorly babies there with their mums masked-up.
With all the social distancing and hand washing/sanitising in place, I felt very comfortable that even if there were a bad virus going around, that my symptomless breathing wasn’t going to put any of those babies or children at risk of anything.
I did feel uncomfortable that others might think my unmasked face was a danger to their child or that they would think I’m heartless – but I can’t give in to this nonsense just to make myself feel better in those short moments!

This is the link I showed:
https://www.gov.uk/ …/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one…
Part headed: Exemption Cards
Carrying an exemption card is a personal choice and not required by law

206094 ▶▶ annie, replying to Cheezilla, 14, #691 of 1695 🔗

That parents and little children should be subject fo this Fascist bilge is disgraceful.

206114 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Cheezilla, 13, #692 of 1695 🔗

That doctor is a disgrace, asking them to show proof!
Does not know the regulations. I hope he asked because he wanted to be educated.
Doctors should have been informed by government/ management of their guidelines as a matter of fact.

206277 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Silke David, 5, #693 of 1695 🔗

At this stage in proceeding we can safely say the NHS are a disgrace with exceptions.

Doctors ought to make it their business to know the law of any medical intervention they push onto others.

Doctors ought to have do no harm tattooed the their foreheads.

206091 chaos, replying to chaos, 17, #694 of 1695 🔗

Misfit Theory #66.6

What if Boris and his Etonian posh twat friends all buy into the Great Reset and are all furiously masturbating over a Waitrose digestive thinking about that great payoff when every toaster and vibrator and Bentley in the land is powered by hamsters and windfarms and every child in the land is wearing pyjamas made out of rat silk and spider piss.. only all of this great reset thing has been orchestrated by or for the Chinese to crash the West and in that regard Boris and clowns are just dumb patsies? Thus the great reset’s goal’s is really to crash and burn the West.. whilst the creepy belligerent Chinese continue to burn coal and boom? And our leaders have no idea of the true goal.

206112 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to chaos, 14, #695 of 1695 🔗

I buy into that. That is why I have questioned the motivations and political affiliations of Mr Cummings and Ms Carrie.

206307 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to chaos, 2, #696 of 1695 🔗

In which case, job is already done. From the moment they locked down.

206320 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to chaos, 3, #697 of 1695 🔗

China and the CCP’s goal of becoming the dominant world power is certainly part of it.
The rest is probably the result of deluded groupthink, e.g., climate change, Green New Deal, etc, etc etc.

206111 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 39, #698 of 1695 🔗

Just out of the leisure centre, where I am watching my nephew & his football team play.

For not wearing a mask.
The little Hitler woman on the desk nearly had a heart attack when she seen that I didn’t have a mask on, shouting “excuse me, excuse me” I knew what was coming, so when she said that I “must wear a mask when I come inside” I just told her to “fuck off” & decided to go wait in my car (it’s half time just now).

I am not in the mood for getting into arguments today with the mask nazis.

206119 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 15, #699 of 1695 🔗

trying to explain to the covididiots why masks do more harm than good is a thankless waist of time – your response is far more effective…

206148 ▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Major Panic, 5, #700 of 1695 🔗

Waste, sorry am a huge pedant when it comes to spelling, again sorry.

206210 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to KBuchanan, 1, #701 of 1695 🔗

LOL, my spellings shit and spell check can only do so much…

206298 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to KBuchanan, 6, #702 of 1695 🔗

I have always prode myself on good and right spelling, just the shame that my grammar are not good.

206318 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #703 of 1695 🔗

I blame the Autocorrect on my tablet.

206154 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to Major Panic, 12, #704 of 1695 🔗

Yes,I’ve given up trying to be polite and explain things,it’s pointless they are totally deaf to anything but the prevailing narrative,I use the fuck you/them/everybody response now,so,so tired of this now.

206115 calchas, replying to calchas, 32, #705 of 1695 🔗

In my opinion whichever way this whole thing goes now there is no turning back. It will result in the end of our current social and economic order.

Erich Fromm wrote a book about 40 years ago called ‘To have or to be” – in which he explores the fundamental contradiction between the pursuit of power and wealth and the joy of living.

The ‘Great Reset’ may be attempted, but it will not succed, because fundamentally those who authored it do not understand how we, the normal people of the world, tick. They do not understand our love of conviviality, our simple leasures, our sheer joy in living itself.

How could they? They themselves, obsessed as they are with wealth and power, long ago chose ‘to have’ rather than ‘to be’

There is only one inevitable Reset, and that is the financial one, as this, the greatest debt bubble in the history of the world comes tumbling down.

The ‘Great Reset’ is simply an attempt by those who already sit at the pinnacle of power, to maintain their position as this financial system collapses.

It won’t work, because like the Bolsheviks – and all the would be planners before them – they fail to realize that the world and hunanity are too complex to be planned, that the unintended consequences are often the most important.

So, chin up my friends – when they have joined the Pharaohs and the Caesars in the graveyard of history, we, the hewers of wood and the drawers of water, will remain.

206132 ▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to calchas, 12, #706 of 1695 🔗

Indeed – I’ve mentioned before that literally every attempt to deliberately shape society has failed spectacularly and gone out of control almost immediately. I’m not a great believer in any global conspiracy, although things are now so insane that I wouldn’t rule it out. But if there is one, the people behind it are more stupid than they will have the capacity to understand. Whatever happened, if it was planned. it wouldn’t go the way they intended. That would be about the only thing we could be certain of.

206214 ▶▶ annie, replying to calchas, 7, #707 of 1695 🔗

I should like to remain as a hewer of Wancock and a hanger, drawer and quarterer of Dripfeed.

206251 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to calchas, 3, #708 of 1695 🔗

Great post. I know you are interested in financial markets, Calchas, and wondered whether you had seen this piece from an old hand, Jeremy Grantham:


206310 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 5, #709 of 1695 🔗

Thanks for the link Tigress.

I do not believe it is a coincidence that the greatest global withdrawal of liberty ever seen is occurring just as the greatesr financial bubble in histoy is about to burst.

In my opinion the first of these constitutes preparation for the second.
This is, quite possibly, the reason why all of the political class is onboard.

I’ve mentioned before I consider it likely that international trade will grind to a virtual halt as monetary chaos unfolds.

In normal circumstances the banks of importers and exporters in different countries work seamlessy together, partly because one knows that a dollar or a pound next week will be worth pretty much the same as dollar or a pound today.

The total value of all financial claims in the world is now far greater than the capacity of the physical world to provide, therefore at some point devaluation of these claims against physical things is the inevitable consequence – hyperinflation.

In this situation an exporter from say Taiwan may decide to hold back on exports to the UK because the value of the payment once it is received will be unclear. If he exporter does decide to ship, then it would make sense to add on a generous premium to be on the safe side – adding to the rate of price increase.

In this situation the challenge to the authorities is in maintaining the supply of essentials such as food, fuel and medicine.

As desperation increases, together with fury at the loss of pensions, savings and jons, a further challenge will be maintaining public order.

We are now simply awaiting some critcal level at which this scenario – or something like it – begins. In the UK the thing to watch, in my opinion, is how much of government spending is covered by taxes. On a month to month basis this is now less than half, with monthly spending now about 78 billion and the tax take around 37 to 38 billion.

There is, in my opinion, very little in that 78 billion which can be cut if the government wishes to keep people onside.

This is the situation as we seemingly head into another round of lockdowns.

206292 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to calchas, 2, #710 of 1695 🔗

I’m surprised the finance bubble has lasted as long as it has. Surprised it survived 2007-08 if I’m completely honest.

206315 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to calchas, 1, #711 of 1695 🔗

My thought too.
Or they might achieve what they want, and live to greatly regret it, but hopefully not for too long.

Living, I mean, not regretting.

206347 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to calchas, 3, #712 of 1695 🔗

Well OK, but as JM Keynes said, “In the long run we’re all dead”. If we have to wait as long for the New Nightmare to end as Russians in 1917 had to wait for communism to end, then most of us won’t live to see it.

206117 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 16, #713 of 1695 🔗

Very interesting article:

In 1903 Niels Finsen was awarded the Nobel Prize in medicine. The Danish-Faroese physician discovered that UV light could kill bacteria and he developed a powerful electric lamp to combat TB. His work led to the emergence of open-air hospitals and sun lamps being used to treat lung infections. This photo was taken at the Cheyne Hospital in London before doctors joined the dots on vitamin D.
One of those doctors was Edward Mellanby. He was concerned about the high incidence of rickets in the UK, especially in Scotland. The Cambridge physician ran a series of experiments keeping dogs indoors and feeding them a typical Scottish diet of oatmeal. They developed rickets identical to the human disease but he cured the skeletal disorder with cod liver oil.
Mellanby assumed vitamin A was the active ingredient but he got it wrong. When an American biochemist bubbled oxygen through the fish oil to destroy vitamin A he found the preparation could still cure rickets. Elmer McCollum discovered vitamin D which was later purified and added to food. Governments on both sides of the pond introduced food fortification programmes and handed out free micronutrients to the masses.
During the 30s and 40s the virulence of lurgies was extraordinarily low and by the 1950s rickets was eradicated in Britain. But that all changed when we stopped fortifying food with vitamin D and the vitamin welfare scheme ended.
Decades later we now know that all human cells contain a vitamin D receptor (VDR) and how this nutrient is vital for immune function. We also know that the lungs remain the main secondary organ affected by vitamin D deficiency. That’s why this nutrient is so important for preventing acute respiratory distress syndrome, protecting against severe asthma attacks, and reducing the risk of infections that attack the lungs.
Today the Scots may not be plagued by rickets but we are still dangerously low on vitamin D. The current RDA of 10mcg might prevent the skeletal disorder but it’s nowhere near enough to keep lurgies at bay. The average Scot has a 25(OH)D level of just 37.5nmol/L when we need closer to 70nmol/L to fight infection.
For over a century we’ve known that sunshine and vitamin D can drastically improve human health. That’s why we must keep banging that drum during these dark days until everyone gets the message.

Love, Suzanne.x

206142 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Cheezilla, 10, #714 of 1695 🔗

There is also link between low cholesterol levels and low uptake of Vitamin D I’ve been reading.

I also understand that the coating of the lungs that protects them from soot, smoke, combustion engine particulates etc is mostly cholesterol and with low levels of it in your body your lungs do not have enough coating to protect you – a human adaptation for living for hundreds of thousands of years in smoke filled caves due to open wood fires apparently.

Also needed for brain development especially in babies and children and brain function when old.

Low cholesterol diets linked to low vitamin D levels, increasing numbers of “pollution deaths by small particulates” when city air and car/lorry/bus exhausts have never been cleaner, “stupider” people, increasing brain problems during ageing all of which have been ramping up drastically since the start of the “lower cholesterol” campaign led by the now totally discreditted 6 countries study and government’s stances on dietary recommendations.

I know correlation is not proven causation but as more an more research is showing the falsity of “all cholesterol bad” fixation it’s a coincidence to look at as well as good nutrition is the key to good health and it’s looking like trying to remove nearly all cholesterol from diets is not a good idea.

206164 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #715 of 1695 🔗

The precursor to vitamin D production in the skin from UV light is cholesterol. Cholesterol is also essential for the production of other hormones including the sex hormones. Vitamin D is actually a pre hormone, not a vitamin like C.

206166 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #716 of 1695 🔗

The body used cholesterol to synthesise vitamin D – many people on Statins are low in Vitamin D

206185 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Victoria, 4, #717 of 1695 🔗

I’ve read that Vitamin D is fat soluble, low or no fat available to use in the body/diet (cholesterol) then the body cannot use it no matter where it comes from.

So the low cholesterol meme is adding to the low vitamin D problem.

206226 ▶▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Awkward Git, #718 of 1695 🔗

I take my morning vitamin D with my morning coffee, liberally laced with cream. Gets the vit D into the system.

206282 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #719 of 1695 🔗

Ivor Cummins addresses this heart disease, vit D cholerstrol topic in a great 30min video on his youtube channel.easy to find.

206309 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #720 of 1695 🔗

“The human body needs good saturated fats” — Dr. Ken Berry

207174 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Awkward Git, #721 of 1695 🔗

You’d think they were trying to do us in …

206193 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Victoria, 3, #722 of 1695 🔗

Hi Victoria, thanks for the book recommendation the other day. Am very much enjoying reading it. Doctor tried to get me on statins nearly 20 years ago – I ignored her and I am still here.

206256 ▶▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to kh1485, 3, #723 of 1695 🔗

Glad you enjoy reading the book!

I wish my Doctor had told me this by Kate Chaytor-Norris

206473 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ watashi, replying to Victoria, #724 of 1695 🔗

sounds like an interesting read. hope I can get it from the library.

206305 ▶▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Victoria, 2, #725 of 1695 🔗

Another reason not to take statins.

206161 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #726 of 1695 🔗

Great information.

206217 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Victoria, 2, #727 of 1695 🔗

It’s a peculiar thing, how much common knowledge has been lost. There are nice board displays in some local hospitals and they all show the patients outside, especially TB patients.
Another that’s taken my attention recently is salt. About ten years ago my sense of smell suddenly semi vanished from one summer to the next. Earlier this year someone mentioned something I’ve not heard for a long time, that salt enhances flavour. Ok I thought, how about smell? Seems to work. Have used more salt and recovered scents long lost.

206252 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Rosie, 3, #728 of 1695 🔗

Salt is very important in the diet – to do with the sodium potassium pump in your body. Do not use table salt, it is processed and contains preservatives. Much better to use salt that contains minerals such as Himalyan salt or sea salt.

Zinc deficiency is linked to loss of smell

206222 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #729 of 1695 🔗

I do have an old family medical book that has a section on vitamins, with a photo of goggle- wearing infants under UV lamps to improve their health. In the 70s it was not unusual to see old men in mining villages with incredibly bandy legs, caused by childhood rickets. Somehow in the intervening years we’ve forgotten about vitamin D.

206299 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #730 of 1695 🔗

The lab that I worked in before retirement saw a massive increase in Vitamin D assays. It became the must-have biochemistry lab test.
There’s been a huge increase in VitD deficiencies, brittle bone disease, osteoporosis, and babies dying from broken bones which have been assumed to have been as a result of abuse, but on autopsy was found to be caused by a lack of vitamin D in the mother. It’s very common in non-native Brits who cover themselves head to foot and therefore get very, very little sun exposure even in summer, aka some cultural attire is entirely unsuitable for northern climates, and it’s having serious health effects as a result.

My mother used to give me and my sister daily doses of cod liver oil. Unlike most people, I didn’t mind the taste of it. I have no idea if parents still give their children such supplements.
Having experienced some increased hair loss at the end of a previous winter, I now regularly take Vit D and cod liver oil over the winter months.
The government should have been promoting this for everyone, but particularly the elderly, to help boost their immune systems. But it didn’t.

206118 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 2, #731 of 1695 🔗

I am not sure if anyone else has posted this. It is in the Guardian so discerning readers may have missed it.

Cross-border toilet trips at Chester cinema fall foul of Welsh Covid rules
Loos for Storyhouse’s Halloween drive-in screenings were just over Welsh side of the line

Drive-in cinemagoers in Chester were almost caught short after it emerged anyone using the toilets, located across the Welsh border, would be breaking coronavirus lockdown laws.
Ticket-holders for the Storyhouse’s Moonlight Drive Halloween showings could breathe a sigh of relief on Friday, after the cinema confirmed it had found a way out of the tight spot.
Earlier this week, organisers said they had been in “ a race against time ” to find an alternative venue after it was found that parts of Chester FC’s Deva Stadium are in fact in Wales, which is now subject to a “circuit-breaker” lockdown until the start of 9 November.


206152 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Basileus, 5, #732 of 1695 🔗


206165 ▶▶ James Hargrave, replying to Basileus, 3, #733 of 1695 🔗

I assume that the Welsh xxxx has decided that bowel movement are not essential and sphincters must be locked. He does look anally retentive.

206205 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Basileus, 2, #734 of 1695 🔗

You couldn’t make it up.

206285 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Basileus, #735 of 1695 🔗

Lucky for the Turtle’s Head that he lives so far south. Could always have used his house.

206123 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #736 of 1695 🔗

An updated version of review of the face mask evidence.

206284 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #737 of 1695 🔗

It’s nice to have our sceptical views backed up.

Which prompts the question: which are the covidiots now???

206547 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Lms23, #738 of 1695 🔗

The science of the coronavirus responses is pseudoscience. All of it.

206125 calchas, replying to calchas, 15, #739 of 1695 🔗


“We cannot only think about infection control,” said Lena Hallengren, Sweden’s health minister, “we also need to think about public health.”
An important distinction: “focus on Covid to the exclusion of other conditions and you risk lives.

Hallengren’s 21 page report also uncovered a “decline in mental health” that was “likely to worsen the longer the recommendations remain in place,” leading officials to lift lockdown restrictions that previously applied to over-70s.”

206442 ▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to calchas, #740 of 1695 🔗

I suppose a loan deal is out of the question?

206134 Schrodinger, replying to Schrodinger, #741 of 1695 🔗

Next Welsh Lockdown already being planned


206151 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Schrodinger, 14, #742 of 1695 🔗

We have to get organised. This will also happen to England and Scotland as well. Lockdown scepticism is all very well, but if they plan to imprison us forever, we need to resist.

206240 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #743 of 1695 🔗

local groups – also offline

206411 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #744 of 1695 🔗

Look up the tier 4 plans for England. Same as the Welsh firebreaker – including ban on non essentials.

206177 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Schrodinger, 3, #745 of 1695 🔗

The current one must be working a treat then

206190 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Schrodinger, 2, #746 of 1695 🔗

its all rubbish

206218 ▶▶ annie, replying to Schrodinger, 4, #747 of 1695 🔗

Sod them.

206137 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 4, #748 of 1695 🔗

I know this is off topic but as a bit of a stickler for the Irish language may I point out his name is Tomás not Tomas – which is clear if you watch the video.

206672 ▶▶ DJC, replying to Ned of the Hills, #749 of 1695 🔗

What’s the Gaelic for psycopath?

206139 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #750 of 1695 🔗

From Valley Times

Deputy minister for economy and transport Lee Waters said people should be prepared to come in and out of lockdowns until a vaccine against coronavirus is found.
Speaking on BBC Radio Wales Sunday Supplement programme this morning he said: “This is not the last lockdown we are going to see.”

He added: “The projections and papers we published on our worse-case scenario projections show it is likely we are going to need another firebreak in January or February.”

206266 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #751 of 1695 🔗

Of course. Not predictable in any way, was it.


206314 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Londo Mollari, #752 of 1695 🔗

Only if the worst case scenario actually comes to pass, which it almost certainly won’t, because it’s a worst case scenario. If it’s as likely to happen as he seems to think it is then it’s actually the most likely scenario, and a new worst case needs to be generated, if that’s even possible…

206146 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 3, #753 of 1695 🔗

we should all be extremely thankful to public health experts, where would we be without them?…

206200 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Major Panic, 9, #754 of 1695 🔗


206333 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to CGL, 4, #755 of 1695 🔗

And more healthy

206485 ▶▶ watashi, replying to Major Panic, 2, #756 of 1695 🔗

happily living our lives like back in the good old days?

206150 DeepBlueYonder, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 11, #757 of 1695 🔗

In his book, “Religion and the Decline of Magic,” the historian Keith Thomas defines magic as “ineffective techniques to allay anxiety when effective ones are not available” (p.800). This seems an apt characterisation of some of the non-pharmacological interventions against Covid-19.

206157 ▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to DeepBlueYonder, -1, #758 of 1695 🔗

It is, or course, also exactly what religion exists for

206169 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Jakehadlee, 6, #759 of 1695 🔗

Religion in its lower form is that.

Religion in its higher form is an appreciation of our place in the universe, our place in society. An understanding of the oneness of things and the true meaning of life, of the nminous.

All sounds a bit airy-fairy perhaps, but then it is very much an intuitive thing, and it is ultimately why we will win this little episode.

206170 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to calchas, #760 of 1695 🔗


206179 ▶▶▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to calchas, 1, #761 of 1695 🔗

No – in any form it a psychological instinct to help maintain our sanity while also being aware of our own mortality. Everything about it is about feeling you can control that which is uncontrollable so that you do not despair. Hence how it’s focus moved with human knowledge growth from early worship of the sun, until that was understood, to hunting prey, until farming, to harvest, until improved farming, and ultimately to death.

It’s an important tool in the human mind, but it’s simply a way of feeling in control. Nothing more.

206191 ▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Jakehadlee, 1, #762 of 1695 🔗

That’s a limited view

206228 ▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Jakehadlee, #763 of 1695 🔗

This is obviously a large subject.

We all have to make our own experiences in life.

I appreciate that many of us come at this lockdown situation from different angles – and that’s a good thing.

206182 ▶▶▶▶ chaos, replying to calchas, 2, #764 of 1695 🔗

As a chaos magickian or pagan.. sometime thelemite.. magick is my religion. I get the same from what I do as you state. Prayers are spells. Sort of.

207055 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to calchas, #765 of 1695 🔗

Most wouldn’t confine those things as being a religion. Spirituality is more usually used.

207052 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to DeepBlueYonder, #766 of 1695 🔗

Yeah, because a historian studies these things. Sheesh.

206155 PoshPanic, 7, #767 of 1695 🔗

Our journey into the upside down continues, with another good article in the Express..


206159 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 12, #768 of 1695 🔗

You don’t think that great thinker, Rashford, was put up to this by any chance? It fits with the Reset. Moving of feeding children from the responsibility of parents to the STATE?

206196 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to James Leary #KBF, 4, #769 of 1695 🔗

No I don’t. Occam’s razor.

206207 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to James Leary #KBF, 4, #770 of 1695 🔗

I don’t know too much about him, but I know he shouldn’t be treated as the enemy

207049 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to PoshPanic, #771 of 1695 🔗

Of course he should – he plays for Man Utd.

206233 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to James Leary #KBF, 2, #772 of 1695 🔗

Bearing in mind the billions wasted on the Chumocracy, I am of the view that the government walked straight into this, whatever the rights and wrongs of the lifestyles of the parents. That said, a better strategy in my view would be to have schools open pretty much all year anyway, providing breakfasts and hot lunches for all kids 5-18. Teachers need to step up to the plate, and play their part too.

206261 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 9, #773 of 1695 🔗

If the government has taken away people’s ability to earn a living because a virus of arguable fatality is more important, then there’s a case to be made for meal vouchers through the school holidays. Under normal circumstances I would oppose this but the government has dug its own hole.
There’s also nothing to stop Rashford and his multi-millionaire football pals for stumping up for lunch for these kids…

206271 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Lms23, 4, #774 of 1695 🔗

Agree. All the ‘protected on 100% salary’ who earn above the lower tax threshold could all donate at least one week’s salary. Footballers could all donate a month’s salary at a bare minimum.

206553 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #775 of 1695 🔗

A little off topic Tigress but what’s your current take on Johnson’s survival timeline ? Will it be as quick as deal done with EU and that’s it ? The men in grey suits aren’t fools they know the credibility of the government is at all time low.

206275 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #776 of 1695 🔗

” Teachers need to step up to the plate”

Ye – but in many’s minds – that’s what they are doing in this state of brainwashing – defending against the great invisible enemy.

They are in they same state as those who, only last year, were brainwashed into voting for a known psychopathic, lying narcissist to be Prime Minister – because the MSM told them that it would be for the best.

206163 Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, 20, #777 of 1695 🔗

NHS Refused to Treat Elderly Patients During Lockdown


But not just old obsolete slaves!

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206173 ▶▶ Geordie Sceptics, replying to Voz 0db, 11, #778 of 1695 🔗

WOW! 14 months for a phone call. Talk about disgraceful

206242 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Geordie Sceptics, 12, #779 of 1695 🔗

The funniest part is this one…

What’s the point of having an “NHS” if when it is most needed (apparently) NO ONE CAN USE IT?!

206302 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Voz 0db, 3, #780 of 1695 🔗

That is the most sensible thing you’ve posted so far.

Well done, keep it up.

206953 ▶▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Awkward Git, #781 of 1695 🔗

Everything I write is sensible, the problem is that most fellow slaves are still using the old software.

206172 Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, 15, #782 of 1695 🔗

So NHS staff will be given a vaccine that has bypassed the EU approval process and whose manufacturers will be exempt from any liability should there be any unforeseen side effects.

Let’s hope it’s not mandatory.

Yep… That last phrase says it ALL!

At this point in time moron slaves still believe that the scoundrels and hunters in Office are there to take good care of them… Priceless!

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Moron slaves do deserve it!

206224 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Voz 0db, 9, #783 of 1695 🔗

Shouldn’t all the teachers be getting it too given that the government is prioritising education? Somehow, I don’t think they will be queuing up for it.

206236 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #784 of 1695 🔗

Every modern slave will get the dose of SALVATION!

Nothing like an artificial infection, mixed with stuff we don’t even know is in the mixture, to ease the troubled minds of the slaves.

206332 ▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 5, #785 of 1695 🔗

I should think NHS staff (all of them) and then Teachers is the best way to distribute any vaccine. Then civil servants who obviously are essential workers!

206355 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to KBuchanan, 6, #786 of 1695 🔗

All civil servants/ public sector bods sitting at home on full pay should get it, so they can go back into the office and be an example to us all.

206451 ▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #787 of 1695 🔗

I don’t think so either, especially since teachers haven’t been dropping like flies since school resumed. I do fear for my daughter who is in her last year before becoming a teacher — I do NOT want her to be forced to get any vaccine in order to be in a classroom.

206303 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Voz 0db, 6, #788 of 1695 🔗

Will be interesting to see how keen NHS workers are to be first in line when it comes to the crunch.

206312 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to A. Contrarian, 5, #789 of 1695 🔗

I reckon there might be quite high take-up. After all, they have been told by politicians and the media that they are risking their lives every moment of the working day for the last 7 months and many believe it. Flu jabs are different because most will never have thought (or told) that flu would knock them off.

206335 ▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to A. Contrarian, 5, #790 of 1695 🔗

They won’t. This may be where some NHS staff push back starts.

206819 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to KBuchanan, #791 of 1695 🔗

My mum was a GP and always refused the flu vaccine although she was bullied into it a couple of times by colleagues worried that she would be off sick and increase their workload without it. Both times she had it, she had something very much like flu shortly after, could of course be coincidence but it doesn’t really inspire much faith!

206422 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #792 of 1695 🔗

They usual don’t like, and don’t take, the annual influenza vaccine. At least in my country more than half, does not take the FLU shot, so since this one is being so carefully designed I bet they will kill each to be the 1st in line to get it!

207297 ▶▶▶ TJS123, replying to A. Contrarian, #793 of 1695 🔗

Not keen at all actually! I wish LS commentators were a bit less ‘keen’ to generalise and assume that all NHS workers, civil servants, teachers etc have the same views. Many of us are subverting from within and at the same time trying against the odds to continue to do the work that we are dedicated to doing, i.e caring for patients who have conditions other than covid!

206368 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Voz 0db, #794 of 1695 🔗

Who are these “slaves” to whom you refer?

206429 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Julian, 1, #795 of 1695 🔗

If you see one wearing a muzzle, that’s a slave.

The XXI century marker is just the way the SRF & Billionaires are using to be able to see how the herd behaves and complies…

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It’s a VERY USEFUL TOOL, among others.

the mindset is the same, and the final goal also the same…
Just enjoy the show! At least when they come after you, you will know why.

206591 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Voz 0db, 1, #796 of 1695 🔗

What’s the SRF? Which billionaires are you talking about and who is exactly is a slave to them and in what way?

206949 ▶▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Julian, #797 of 1695 🔗

Saving time…

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Not all Billionaires are active! Most just know they must remain like Switzerland, neutral, or else they might be expelled from the B Club!

206178 John Stitch non stop dancer, replying to John Stitch non stop dancer, 2, #798 of 1695 🔗

I’m a Nurse of 33 years standing worked through the whole episode in care homes and private Hospitals. Any questions?

have doctors been falsifying death certificates – i.e by putting covid as cause of death when it wasn’t? if so, who told them to do it?

are you aware of any deaths in covid patients that could be said to have been the result of a grossly negligent (though otherwise lawful) act or omission on the part of any healthcare professional or other party?

are you aware of any deaths in non – covid patients that could be said to have been the result of a grossly negligent (though otherwise lawful) act or omission arising due to the covid situation on the part of any healthcare professional or other party?

206183 Ricky R, replying to Ricky R, 9, #802 of 1695 🔗


Another lockdown in the new year likely??

Hahaha hahaha

This is never going to end is it?

206235 ▶▶ annie, replying to Ricky R, 9, #803 of 1695 🔗

Yes, with lynchings.

206254 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Ricky R, 3, #804 of 1695 🔗

No, it’s not, not until we’ve all forgotten what it’s like to be free.

206262 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Ricky R, 8, #805 of 1695 🔗

Just ignore any restrictions. It’s what I do.

206404 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #806 of 1695 🔗

Since the start of the local lockdowns I’ve seen zero enforcement of the restrictions on roads or elsewhere in north east Wales.

Stay at home? My family’s been out enjoying the Autumn air all morning. As have several others.

206270 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Ricky R, 2, #807 of 1695 🔗

As planned by Pantsdown- On/off LDs “until there’s a vaccine” to “save lives”.

206300 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ricky R, 2, #808 of 1695 🔗

Wales have now put themselves in that position, just like the whole country did back in March, by locking down again in October. Out they come for Christmas (or not, who knows), “cases” start to rise again in January and they won’t be able to justify not locking down again in the same circumstances. We’re trapped.

206363 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #809 of 1695 🔗

If they’re already planning the next concentration camp, it’s obvious that they know the current one won’t achieve anything.

206186 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 53, #810 of 1695 🔗

This mask stuff has to stop, slaves to their masters, children’s faces covered, babies in arms or push chairs staring at the masked faces of their parents. Ritualistic child abuse.

Makes me so angry.

206229 ▶▶ Cotton, replying to stefarm, 22, #811 of 1695 🔗

I agree. Nothing makes me more angry than children in masks. When I take my kids to softplay (until it was forbidden) it was interesting how much attention I got from the other kids in terms of looking at me, versus all the other masked adults. It must be so confusing for the children and babies especially.

206201 fgygrgrygergiherge, #812 of 1695 🔗

At 1:09AM there was a news update (scroll down) that the crooks in power in Wales had charged our HERO Gwilym Owen for his act of resistance to magna-carta violating assaults on the right to freely trade. Wonder if Toby might try to help him, he’s achieved more by outright violating unacceptable diktats than has been achieved by those who try to take the government to court under a justice system stack in the government’s favour. Also hope that plenty of Welsh people decide to make copy-cat actions, would be satisfying to see more people resisting that bullcrap llockdown than the cops can ever punish. Apparently 50000 small businesses are now petitioning against it, maybe they should do a bit of “democracy by deeds” too, if 50K shops decide not to obey the Welsh tyrant then there is nothing the crooekd authorities can do. Scotland, as we all know, has extended their two week “fire-breaker” to become a spirit-breaker,business-breaker and life-breaker, Wales won’t take long to decide to keep these crooekd restrictons in force forever, so if they found the public completely violating them then maybe they’d change tactics, if they see compliance though they’ll only push harder, and longer. Merthyr Tydfil will be the next Melbourne if the locals don’t stop being complicit.

206202 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 5, #813 of 1695 🔗

The brilliant minds at visit Cornwall, have launched their next marketing campaign..

I’d advise anyone feeling a bit tender today, to not read the vomit inducing comments

206232 ▶▶ annie, replying to PoshPanic, 11, #814 of 1695 🔗

I notice the local yokels are enjoined to ‘double’ their efforts at hand-washing and nappy wearing.
So, slosh twice as much poison gunk on your hands and wear TWO nappies, you incontinent snivellers.
What jolly fun.

206258 ▶▶ Dave Tee, replying to PoshPanic, 6, #815 of 1695 🔗

Total Covid-related deaths in Cornwall up to 9 october: 208. No wonder they’re shitting themselves.

206313 ▶▶ Paul, replying to PoshPanic, 12, #816 of 1695 🔗

The usual ‘I’m alright jack’ and ‘lives matter more than jobs’ comments from those that are probably financially secure and not affected by the lockdown madness in any way,most likely not even natives of Cornwall,they make me sick.We’ve got those types here in Lincolnshire,they retire here and then act like the own the place and want everything to suit them,bugger us natives,we don’t matter.

206912 ▶▶ dommo, replying to PoshPanic, #817 of 1695 🔗

i suggest we take them up on their charming advice and never visit again, virus or no virus – see how the ungrateful bastards survive without a tourist industry

206208 ianric, 2, #818 of 1695 🔗

I have raised the issue of how valid the notion of asymptomatic spread is with regards to coronavirus. Are there other diseases where asymptomatic spread is widely accepted or is coronavirus unique in this respect.

206209 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 7, #819 of 1695 🔗

Mail on Sunday headline is a big one

206274 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Dan Clarke, 11, #820 of 1695 🔗

I can’t see the original Times article, but I am unhappy with the MoS article. Ventilation will be futile and desperately distressing for many frail elderly folk and clinical decisions are made all the time not to put them through such trauma. I am not angry about humane decisions not to ventilate older people, but I am apoplectic about the complete denial of any treatment whatsoever (even it that needed to be palliative) and the refusal to even assess medical needs for a whole generation while they were kept in solitary confinement and ongoing treatments were stopped. The danger is that we just repeat the “no-one must die” mantra and get further away than ever from the grown-up conversation about quality of life and what constitutes a humane death than ever.

206293 ▶▶▶ maggie may, replying to Charlie Blue, 11, #821 of 1695 🔗

I always wonder if the ‘no one must die’ brigade have ever had much contact with very elderly people. I have, and death has been merciful for some.

206319 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to maggie may, 6, #822 of 1695 🔗

You might be right. I am not convinced that so many people really want to live forever, whatever the condition of their body or mind. But I think very many younger people expect older relatives to aim for this because they don’t want to have to deal with the loss and grief. It’s a selfish position for many.

206350 ▶▶▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to maggie may, 13, #823 of 1695 🔗

Exactly , my friends were surprised I wasn’t grief stricken when my Mum passed away but she’d been in hospital for 3 months and didn’t even know who I was for the last 2 months that’s when I grieved , her passing on Christmas Eve 2017 after contracting a flu/pneumonia infection was peaceful and a blessing for her and for us her family , these people need to have a grown up conversation about death

206296 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Charlie Blue, 7, #824 of 1695 🔗

That bothered me about the article too, the implication that all these 80+ year olds would have done well on ventilators or would have been ventilated if they were suffering from any respiratory disease other than covid (I have doctors in my family who assure me they wouldn’t). It’s misleading and distracting from the big issue – elderly people being left to die alone and without appropriate treatment. And for Hancock to say that we won’t abandon our elderly in this country is a truly mind-boggling lie.

207030 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to A. Contrarian, #825 of 1695 🔗

Wankock’s lies are numerous and almost inevitably mind-boggling.

He’s told so many he even manages to keep his face straight nowadays, instead of doing that weird slackjaw thing.

206331 ▶▶▶ merlin, replying to Charlie Blue, 6, #826 of 1695 🔗

The details of the article are not important. Most mail readers will just read headline and go to comments. Commenters are very angry, the tide has turned. Forget fear , there is incandescent rage.

206365 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to merlin, 4, #827 of 1695 🔗

I take your point. However, I think it does matter what people are angry about and whether they could be pacified. Plenty of people are angry because they can’t get a PCR test or because they think schools should be shut. Shouting for Granny to be put on a ventilator is a waste of that anger, imo.

206225 annie, replying to annie, 16, #828 of 1695 🔗

Petition on the dotty non-essential goods mandate in Wales now racing towards 55,000 signatures.

206397 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to annie, 1, #829 of 1695 🔗

The idiot has said he’s now reviewing that policy.



206230 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #830 of 1695 🔗

Excellent update from Anomoly on YouTube today. He’s a rapper/political commentator, trump leaning. He’s been heavily deplatformed is recent months.

Talks about Biden using the Dark Winter reference. Event 201. Covid dystopia.


206290 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #831 of 1695 🔗

Biden mentioned it twice in one sentence towards the end of the debate.

Quite deliberately from listening to it, almost as a warning that he knows what is coming.

For those interested – Looks like the laptop data dump is being put piecemeal on this Chinese site by a Chinese billionaire:


206392 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #832 of 1695 🔗

Ken Skates, welsh economy minister, used the term dark winter in a speech last week. Drakeford explicitly used the word ‘reset’ in his speech about the firebreaker on Thursday or Friday.

Fire-break will allow us to ‘reset’
By putting a fire-break period in, we can all reset, Mr Drakeford said.

“We can reset the way that we ourselves behave. And we can reset the way that the virus is circulating,” he said.

He said some people took the message from the summer that “somehow this was all over.”

“But the trouble is that those risks all add up,” he said, adding that this has led to the situation we are in today.


206234 SheepUprising, replying to SheepUprising, 1, #833 of 1695 🔗

How does this comment section work? Are these general comments for all the Latest News? And where do the older comments end up?

206809 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to SheepUprising, 1, #834 of 1695 🔗

They’re on the day they were posted; i.e. yesterday’s comments are on yesterday’s page, etc .

206243 Helen, replying to Helen, 4, #835 of 1695 🔗
206247 ▶▶ Helen, replying to Helen, 3, #836 of 1695 🔗

Corona Bus Info Tour with Bodo Schiffmann and Samuel Ekert

206294 ▶▶▶ Helen, replying to Helen, 1, #837 of 1695 🔗
206311 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Helen, 1, #838 of 1695 🔗

Thank you Helen
Here too

206521 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Helen, 1, #839 of 1695 🔗

That one went well.
But there was scandalous police brutality at the other, Querdenken, Demo, culminating in the violent arrest of its lawyer, Markus Haintz!

206267 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 6, #840 of 1695 🔗

As it’s Sunday, here’s some light music…

Killing yourself to live by Black Sabbath…


207001 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #841 of 1695 🔗

Live version.

Ah the hair, the trousers. Those were the days!

206269 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 37, #842 of 1695 🔗

Had an amusing exchange with the in-laws today. I’ve been finding them frustrating as they are not really fussed by the whole covid thing, they’re not amongst the terrified or in any way pro-lockdown but seem to be quite happy for the status quo to continue indefinitely.

Tomorrow they are planning to visit an elderly relative in London, recovering from an operation. We are in a Tier 1 area just outside.

Me: Of course that’s illegal now, isn’t it?
MIL: But we’re taking lunch with us, so…
Me: Er… it doesn’t matter, it’s not suddenly legal just because you’re taking food.
FIL: But we’re visiting from an area of lower infection.
Me: Doesn’t matter. Still illegal.
MIL: But the nurse is allowed to visit.
Me: I know. But family and friends aren’t, it’s illegal.

Deathly silence.

They will still go of course, and quite right. I’m just trying to get them to see the absurdity of the situation, seemingly to no avail. I suppose they’re not fussed about the restrictions because it doesn’t even occur to them that visiting a family member could be considered wrong or illegal so they will do it anyway. More power to them I guess. But they are the most law abiding good citizens you could imagine, now being forced to break the law, and they can’t seem to see how wrong it is.

206341 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to A. Contrarian, 16, #843 of 1695 🔗

I met up with friends yesterday who all comply with mask rules even though some know its rubbish. But two of the zealots happily left their tier2 homes to meet up for lunch in tier 1 and laughed about disobeying the rules. Hypocrites.
One of them works in a food bank and takes the temperature of visitors to the bank. She was quite proud of her ” You only get food if I let you in” stance. It was all I could do not to slap her for practising medicine without a licence.

206455 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to thinkaboutit, 6, #844 of 1695 🔗

I think many of us on here know that people can be very keen for lockdowns so long as it doesn’t curtail their own freedoms. They are not troubled by wearing masks and enjoy the virtue signalling. However, stop them doing something they want to do and there is always a reason why in their case it’s okay or they just laugh it off as something mildly “naughty”. Makes my blood boil.

206287 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 14, #845 of 1695 🔗

Just got this from a friend – hope his dog is OK:

Speaking to the vet, she says she’s worked 4 straight days out of five in a mask and visor and she actually acknowledges that this is damaging her own respiratory system as a result of re inhalation!

If she knows and we know – what is the ultra plan here!

The planet will die of asphyxiation! “

206317 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #846 of 1695 🔗

I watched a lecture, on Ted I think, by Gates a few years back where he had a formula for lowering CO2. One of the variables of course was number of people. So if you can’t reduce consumption.. you reduce people. We breathe out CO2.

Man-made climate change is a lie. The sun drives climate change and water vapour and clouds are by far the most significant greenhouse gas. So has Gates been taken in by man-made climate change like Boris the clown and Prince Jug Ears and William? Or not? Who is playing who?

206417 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to chaos, 5, #847 of 1695 🔗

Chaos – I think we have to assume that they are in the know and part of the scam, and getting a cut for their trouble. There used to be two Davids on BBC TV, David Attenborough and David Belamy. Neither believed the scam. One who sold his soul oppresses us still with his lies. The other who refused to sell his soul was sacked and smeared and lost almost everything, and has now died.
There’s an article ten years ago on the daily Telegraph of Boris saying that he’s right and Piers Corbyn (atmospheric physicist and meteorologist) is wrong.
Money-go-round https://www.beautyandthebeastlytruth.com/transfer-of-wealth

206441 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to chaos, 4, #848 of 1695 🔗

Thanks, if you can find the link I’d be interested in that Gates lecture. I’ve had a hunch for a while that they genuinely thought they could lower CO2 levels. If they had been able to then food production would have plummeted and animals too would have started to die, including us. it would be another factor between survival of illness/injury and death. Levels were fairly close to the minimum for life to survive. Thankfully the oceans have been giving it off.
So now Gates has a scheme to release particulate matter into the upper atmosphere to block out the sunlight, and that too will drastically reduce food production.

206653 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Rosie, 2, #849 of 1695 🔗
206982 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Rosie, 1, #850 of 1695 🔗

You probably don’t need much CO2 to make Gates’ frankenmeat.

206978 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to chaos, 1, #851 of 1695 🔗

We breathe out CO2

and plants breathe it in and turn it into herbivore food ….

206338 ▶▶ Paul, replying to Awkward Git, 11, #852 of 1695 🔗

She should have the sense to stop wearing them surely,who’s going to do anything about it ?,this fear people have about ‘being in trouble’ is ridiculous,I’ve heard it from quite a few people and I’ve asked them who are they going to be in trouble with ?,usually after a pause they say ‘a policeman’ to which I always respond ‘when did you last see a policeman around here ?’.I’m sure some people think they are under close surveillance 24 hours a day !, and they call us conspiracy theorists !.

206374 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Paul, 4, #853 of 1695 🔗

That’s what I’ve asked him – why has she continued to do it knowing it’s making her ill?

206297 Basics, replying to Basics, 12, #854 of 1695 🔗

An assault by the crap hat police yesterday captured on film. Really a nasty bit of work in a uniform.


Yesterday waas peaceful, but the police needed their hit of thuggery – they wouldn’t do the job if they didn’t get their fix.

206308 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Basics, 7, #855 of 1695 🔗

No ID numbers on display, clearly on edge and spoiling for a fight. Steroids or other stimulants???

206321 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to stefarm, 5, #856 of 1695 🔗

Good call for either. TSG unit ought to be tested as part of their routine.

206323 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to stefarm, 8, #857 of 1695 🔗

I’ve been wondering that,looking at video of the coppers in London,Melbourne and other places over the weeks there is something not right about them,they are hyped up and have anger in their eyes,anger is the only emotion they show,they are like automatons,there is something very dark about them.

206334 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Paul, 5, #858 of 1695 🔗

I think they have been training for it during lockdown. In April It was almost enevitible there would be some serious pushback in October/November time. I do really believe this whole farce and timeline of lock downs and psy ops has been planned from day 1 and the police or even military police have been brainwashed into thinking the British public are the enemy, war is going to be fought on these shores. They can’t wait.

206328 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to stefarm, 6, #859 of 1695 🔗

Trouble is, most of the coppers are actually all right. Even those in the TSG. I’m wondering, as mentioned in the write up ATL, if some of the police aren’t British at all.

206395 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to stefarm, 3, #860 of 1695 🔗

Isn’t that illegal – not having their numbers clearly visible somewhere either on their uniform, riot helmets, shields etc?

206457 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #861 of 1695 🔗

Checked – if they are in uniform they must display an identification number.

206965 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to stefarm, #862 of 1695 🔗

From the clip, it’s clear the guy in the red cap was being very provocative. However, properly trained peacekeeping police should easily be able to ignore that sort of behaviour.

206316 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Basics, 7, #863 of 1695 🔗

Absolute bastards.

206325 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Basics, 3, #864 of 1695 🔗

Were they towards the back end of the protest? Somewhere near the HoP.

Trouble is for them, as the movement grows, and numbers swell, more and more attendees will just not put up with it. I think we both know what happens next. Only a matter of time.

206336 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Basics, 4, #865 of 1695 🔗

Do other people get “something went wrong” messages when trying to follow Twitter links from here?

206344 ▶▶▶ Old Mum, replying to OKUK, 1, #866 of 1695 🔗

Yes, sometimes but when I paste the link again, it usually comes up.

206354 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Old Mum, 1, #867 of 1695 🔗

I often get that message when accessing Twitter feeds generally, from anywhere. I’ve not checked the Twitter feeds of “right thinking” people, as I value my sanity, so maybe it’s only the crimethink accounts that are affected

206376 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Julian, #868 of 1695 🔗

Indeed maybe they’ve got an algorithm that stops the link 50% of the time.

206373 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Old Mum, #869 of 1695 🔗

It did for me just now.

206351 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to OKUK, 2, #870 of 1695 🔗

Try refreshing the page. Usually works for me.

206386 ▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #871 of 1695 🔗

Not just usually, always. They simply block redirects. Claims like “only affects the crimethink accounts” imply a level of cynicism that far exceeds technical understanding.

206973 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to OKUK, #872 of 1695 🔗

You have to give it plenty of time to load the page. When the tweet/twitter changes to the account name, it should be good to open.

207215 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to OKUK, #873 of 1695 🔗

It seems to work ok when I click refresh.

206358 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Basics, 3, #874 of 1695 🔗

People should make David Kurten (London Mayor candidate) aware of the police brutality so he can bring up political policing with Dictator Khan again. Black Lives Matter were left alone earlier this week – again in Parliament Square.

206410 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Darryl, 3, #875 of 1695 🔗

Hi Darryl, if you get an idea about who should be told, please go ahead and tell them yourself. I don’t know about you, but I had develped a habit of assuming nobody was remotely interested in what I think, and only because of this year have I started to email information/ideas/bits of text to people who are ‘somebodys’ and have been very surprized to get a lot of replies and constructive exchanges. Just go ahead!

206715 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Rosie, 1, #876 of 1695 🔗

Thank Rosie. I have emailed him information before, and he has replied. I don’t have a twitter account, and this sadly seems to be what the media figures take notice of most these days. I know with Twitter follower numbers make the difference if something gets viewed or not. Might have to reluctantly sign up for the short term.

206327 chaos, replying to chaos, 56, #877 of 1695 🔗

Young lady on my road. She went to a 20k a year private school. Then became a doctor. Works in ICU. Her hospital has 20 critical care beds. 80% full. But I looked it up.. that’s normal. She told me off for not wearing a mask and when I tried to debate she pompously said she didn’t want to get into an argument about lockdown which she thinks should continue until covid is gone.
Just staggering that you can get all A’s at A level, go to University and get a medical degree.. and earn more than I (a council estate white lad who managed to get a red brick 2:1 BEng Hons degree) and still be clueless and unable to be critical or analytical? I am really confused by this.

206339 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to chaos, 25, #878 of 1695 🔗

Because education these days is about being able to repeat stuff and pass exams.
it is not about thinking, learning about 2 or 3 theses and be analytical.
This has been confirmed to me by several A level students at my workplace.

206348 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Silke David, 22, #879 of 1695 🔗

I think it’s partly that, partly that no matter how smart someone is, they don’t want to admit to others or to themselves they were wrong, have been had, that it’s all been for nothing, partly people like to be a part of something that is exciting, important and gives their lives meaning, partly they like an opportunity to boss people around and feel virtuous doing it, and partly this has become political – it’s about whether you’re “selfish” or not.

So I think it is often to do with character flaws rather than raw brainpower. I think it’s a mistake to presuppose that people come to this with an open mind.

206405 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Julian, 7, #880 of 1695 🔗

I find it odd that people seem to be split, not so much on the basic question of this, of Brexit, of Trump – but on a level much lower.

Why is it, I’ve wondered, that those of us who are Lockdownsceptics, Brexiteers and Trump believers (not supporters if we’re not Americans) are generally measured and informed in our arguments? And the others are (too often) rabidly angry, rude, insulting, foul-mouthed and have no cogent argument.

There certainly IS a divide. Can someone explain the differences? I think I can see them, but I wonder if anyone has come to my conclusions……

206445 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Banjones, 8, #881 of 1695 🔗

Well, I voted Leave and hoped (and hope now) that Trump would win but I honestly couldn’t say that I found all of the arguments advanced by those causes measured or well-informed. There are plenty of left-leaning sceptics on this forum who are very measured by most certainly didn’t support Trump or Brexit.

I’m not sure what the answer is really, or even if there is one answer.

206481 ▶▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Banjones, 2, #882 of 1695 🔗

I’m trying to work out your intersections there. I’m a lockdown sceptic, but not a Brexiter or a Trump supporter (US/UK dual citizen so potential for being a supporter). I try to be measured and informed, and get a lot of good info from this site, as well as people like Ivor Cummins. There is a lot of anger, rudeness, insults, etc. from all sorts of people regardless of position. As there has been in public discussions ever since the internet came into general use in the early 90s.

So I can’t say that I share your conclusions. Couldn’t unless I decided that I was ignorant except on the subject of lockdowns.

206567 ▶▶▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Banjones, 12, #883 of 1695 🔗

It’s not totally but in the main it’s a class divide between the middle class and the Working Class .In the past the left was a combination of the different classes supposedly pulling together for socialism and for the good of working people but somewhere about thirty years ago this started to unravel and certain sections of the left started to drift of into what we now call identity politics. This has caused a split in society where on the one hand the middle class left feel the working class is useless and reactionary and feel they can make more progress with minority groups Blacks ,Trans and so on ,meanwhile many working class people feel let down by the left and feel they have been used and then discarded .Brexit was a crunch point .Many of the old traditional and working class left could not go along with the metropolitan left who wanted to remain in the E U but saw hope in Corbyn because of is life long euro scepticism .That was destroyed when he took the Starmer route for remain .What is happening now is a rerun of Brexit on a cultural level only now many people who put there faith in Johnson are feeling betrayed again .I believe in regards to America the mask wearing is a direct result of Trump at the start questioning them and then the Democrats leaping on the cause ,this has now spilled over here via the internet so that the most mask wearing zealots are middle class liberals who have a world view that says we know whats best and do as i say . It’s class hatred pure and simple ,you only have to look at the way those t v presenters and the G P looked down their noses at that Barnsley pensioner to see it in action .There are now in this country millions of people who are politically without a home and every day they are becoming more receptive to our message .They will never whatever happens become total believers in lockdown again because the people pushing it the most are the people they resent .Our job is to stop calling the general public names and to take our message to them in a way they understand (Leaving any conspiracy stuff to one side )and we will have a willing army at our disposal to overthrow this madness .

206931 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to wat tyler, 3, #884 of 1695 🔗

Good post!

206364 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Silke David, 10, #885 of 1695 🔗

And professional advancement depends on hypocritical virtue signalling. You know, like Ferguson stressing the importance of the Lockdown rules and then heading off to shag his mistress on the other side of London.

206380 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to OKUK, 16, #886 of 1695 🔗

In Communist Eastern Europe the middle-clas ‘intelectuals’ were invested in the system.The real resistance, when it came, was from the shipyard workers of Gdansk.

That young doctor is merely repeating the catechism of those who pay her salary.

206382 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to calchas, 7, #887 of 1695 🔗

Yes, those who have the most to lose from the current power structures are the most likely to support it. It takes someone special to stand against the herd…. perhaps that’s why herd immunity is a trigger word for them;)

206383 ▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to calchas, 13, #888 of 1695 🔗

“It is difficult for a man to believe something if his salary depends on not understanding it”

Upton Sinclair

206346 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to chaos, 8, #889 of 1695 🔗

Insecurity takes many forms, chaos.

206394 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Fingerache Philip., #890 of 1695 🔗


206401 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to chaos, 12, #891 of 1695 🔗

She can’t tolerate being questioned. She’s so brittle that she has to stick with what she’s told, no room for doubt when people are lacking in confidence in their basic understanding and grasp of the subject.
A truly confident expert can discuss different opinions in their field of expertise without feeling threatened. Does that help?

206353 ▶▶ steph, replying to chaos, 9, #892 of 1695 🔗

They have briefings from Vallance with worst case scenarios seen as likely. They are also held in a vice by GMC and NHS – dissenting voices are not welcome and can be career threatening.
Plus in March / April those in ICU did see some major overspill. I believe it’s almost over, not that it never happened. Vallance wants them to believe it’s about to happen again and maybe worse this time.

206464 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to steph, 5, #893 of 1695 🔗

It has been buried – is that because it isn’t true? – the suggestion that Mr V has an eye-wateringly large amount of investment in GSK (and perhaps elsewhere?). If he does have such an interest, why isn’t this fact stressed again and again?

We need objective people – not those with a huge amount of money to be paid if their so-called ”advice” is to be taken as bona fide.

206527 ▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to Banjones, 1, #894 of 1695 🔗

I think doubling down on the initial mistake can be for many reasons. From face saving through to outright fraud motivated by greed with attention seeking personality disorders somewhere in the middle.
I honestly don’t have the inside track on which one this is.

206925 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to steph, 2, #895 of 1695 🔗

None of the above. It’s a coup, to try to implement the ‘great reset’.

207025 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to JohnB, #896 of 1695 🔗


But I know what you meant.

207315 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to RichardJames, #897 of 1695 🔗

Heh. Saw what I’d done, and was tempted to leave it. But hey, clarity. 🙂

207159 ▶▶▶▶▶ dommo, replying to steph, #898 of 1695 🔗

the criminal law has another name for “ doubling down on the initial mistake ” – it’s “ gross negligence ” and where it leads to deaths it’s followed by the word “ manslaughter

206356 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to chaos, 19, #899 of 1695 🔗

Education does not equal intelligence.

Nowadays it’s just indoctrination.

206468 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #900 of 1695 🔗

Hancock doesn’t seem to have either of the first two. Does that mean we can expect him to be balanced and informed because he hasn’t been ”indoctrinated”? Pity he shows no sign of either.

206488 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #901 of 1695 🔗

Education does not necessarily equal stupidity either. I have several degrees, but am not a stupid person. Of course, I got the last degree around 1991 but I have seen plenty of intelligent educated people who are much younger than me. Lots of over-generalisation on this site lately.

206357 ▶▶ JulieR, replying to chaos, 18, #902 of 1695 🔗

My friend GP is not young and agrees with masks and lockdown and vaccine.
When I called her in desperation over more stupid rules couple of months ago she just said “We just need to get through this”. I just cried and said how people are losing jobs and cannot visit relatives in care homes. She had no sympathy.

206369 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to JulieR, 4, #903 of 1695 🔗

I wonder what she thinks ‘getting through this’ means? Zero covid, presumably…

206370 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #904 of 1695 🔗

That or a vaccine

206372 ▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Julian, 7, #905 of 1695 🔗

But surely she knows as a GP that a vaccine is not going to solve the problem?

206408 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #906 of 1695 🔗

You’d think. In my experience, in my own field, there are a lot of very competent people in their specialism who don’t use their undoubted brainpower to think through issues above their pay grade or to look at the bigger picture of the professional sphere they inhabit.

206923 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Julian, #907 of 1695 🔗

Absolutely Juiian. My profession(/trade) relies on critical thinking and analysis of facts/people/systems.

Have any of my brightest and best colleagues applied their ginormous brains to our current situation ? Mwah ha ha ha.

206412 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JulieR, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #908 of 1695 🔗

That was August. She said We will have a vaccine in October.
Now it’s October. I read an article recently that vaccines would not protect from the virus but could only make some symptoms better (maybe). So I sent her the link to the article, she never replied.

206439 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to JulieR, 6, #909 of 1695 🔗

Never replied – yes, I have found that common among non-sceptic ex-friends – they stop engaging and just blank me. Rude bastards.

206946 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #910 of 1695 🔗

Flu jab – GP surgery?

206479 ▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Julian, 3, #911 of 1695 🔗

And a vaccine to do what, exactly? We’re already being told that this magic (though very lucrative for some) vaccine will NOT be the ”magic bullet” as it won’t confer immunity.

206402 ▶▶▶▶ JulieR, replying to Charlie Blue, 6, #912 of 1695 🔗

She means we just need to wait and it will get better sometime in the future, also take a vaccine when it arrives.
It doesn’t matter to her that millions will be without a job in the meantime.
She said to me Are you depressed?
I said No, I am angry and upset for many people. And the rules make no sense, they destroy livelihoods and lives.

206371 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to JulieR, 14, #913 of 1695 🔗

The only GP I know failed to identify his own daughter’s acute appendicitis despite her loud complaints about the pain. She lived to tell the tale, Im pleased to say!

I always work from the assumption that doctors are wrong until proven otherwise. Remember, even in the fifties they were still advising people to take up smoking. Then in the 60s they were trying up get every housewife in the land hooked on tranquilisers. Now they are trying to replace our natural immunuty systems with hundreds of vaccinations.

206492 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to OKUK, 7, #914 of 1695 🔗

They succeeded with both of those things with my mother. She ended up addicting to Valium for 20 years (don’t know what they call it now). She smoked until she couldn’t hold a cigarette any longer because of the lung cancer that killed her. I struggle to trust the medical profession at the best of times, even though I have met helpful, compassionate doctors.

206474 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to JulieR, 2, #915 of 1695 🔗

Perhaps because she knows that, should SHE become ill, she’d be taken care of through the goodwill of her colleagues. It’s called the ”I’m all right, Jack” attitude.

206360 ▶▶ merlin, replying to chaos, 11, #916 of 1695 🔗

My brother is a doctor and also three cousins . They are all nasty pieces of work.

206389 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to merlin, 3, #917 of 1695 🔗

Almost proves the dehumanising nature of wearing masks more than normal people does then.

207038 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to merlin, 1, #918 of 1695 🔗

A doctor of my acquaintance watched his father die of bone cancer. Never once, even when all the mainstream cancer treatment crap didn’t work, did he attempt to look into alternative therapies. Not even with his father’s life at stake.

206366 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to chaos, 12, #919 of 1695 🔗

Medical training is heavily bankrolled by big pharma. Sadly most doctors no longer look at the whole person and find the underlying cause, but focus on specific areas and only treat symptoms with drugs

206367 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to chaos, 6, #920 of 1695 🔗

Most public workers are keen for it to continue. They still get paid.

206393 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Eddy, -4, #921 of 1695 🔗

Do stop idiotic generalizations – it’s the equivalent of saying that private sector workers back Big Pharma.

Entirely brainless.There’s enough of that sustaining the Covid myths.

206409 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to RickH, 9, #922 of 1695 🔗

Well I think it does affect your perspective to some degree. If BBC revenue was declining and staff were being laid off 10% per month, I doubt the BBC would be so supportive of lockdowns. They’d want to know when we were going to return to normality.

206378 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to chaos, 2, #923 of 1695 🔗

It’s because they get schooled and not educated, it’s just about ticking boxes and passing exams, and to do that you need to conform and regurgitate the required answer – IMO!
Also it’s an active agenda:
Apocalyptic Science: How The West Is Destroying Itself , by Bruce Pardy, Financial Post, 27 June 2020
“Critical Theory opposes everything that makes the West work. Unlike traditional academic inquiry, which seeks to explain and understand with logic, analysis and the scientific method, these doctrines are less theories than programs. Their purpose is to condemn cultural norms, tear down existing orders and transform society –
Indoctrination works. Hear something often enough from people in authority and you begin to believe it. In the decades following its birth at the Frankfurt School, Critical Theory and its variations made an inexorable march through universities –
The final conquest is now in progress –
Generations of graduates, taught to believe in Critical Theory rather than how to think critically about it, now populate [all positions of power].” https://www.thegwpf.com/apocalyptic-science-how-the-west-is-destroying-itself/     &nbsp ;

206388 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to chaos, 4, #924 of 1695 🔗

Don’t disagree with comments. But I think its mainly that these people have their 15 minutes of fame and are reluctant to let it go. Gives meaning to their lives. And some, perhaps a lot, are arrogant little tossers.

206396 ▶▶ VickyA, replying to chaos, 5, #925 of 1695 🔗

Once went to a GP practice lunch as a speaker. The lunch was paid for by a drug company. Nuff said…

206406 ▶▶ Matt The Cat, replying to chaos, 7, #926 of 1695 🔗

She sounds utterly despicable.

Other than informing her that one day soon, this will all be over, and that people have long memories, I would have nothing more to do with this “lady”. She can make of that statement what she will.

That would be my take on the situation.

206416 ▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to chaos, 10, #927 of 1695 🔗

Doctors still have a God complex and have a very hard time admitting they ever got something wrong. My dad is a long-retired GP and I know I’m far more educated on this and other medical topics than he ever was, which is not to say he wasn’t good at what he did. With the democratization of information we lay people now have access to the same studies and so the medical profession can no longer be all-knowing, and they don’t like it. Doctors are among the least open minded people I’ve ever come across, sorry to say.

206454 ▶▶ Basics, replying to chaos, 8, #928 of 1695 🔗

The nhs fuckwits -yes there are exceptions- are not remorseful over their dancing parading stupity. Some have said to me about not wearing masks those people aren’t seeing the deaths or the funerals. They have washed brains which can easily be identified by the stated attitude I don’t want to get into an argument. At the point that or similar sentiment is uttered the ego inside that person has clamped shut – you then present as a threat to that persons ego. Defence is then the order of tge day which involves closing down the communication. Some are rude some are polite it is not the person in control of their thoughts at that point it is the ego in control.

You are left confused because you are not a threat. You are not even aware you present as one. But your open mind and hope for meaningful discussion pressed buttons the washed of brain do not even percieve in themselves.

You challenged their world view. They responded by shutting you down. The education and ideas of self worth would have shaped the nature of the shut down. No different than being told to Fuck Off.

206525 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to chaos, 4, #929 of 1695 🔗

Shes more likely to be conformist as she will have been indoctrinated at university.

206644 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to chaos, 5, #930 of 1695 🔗

Medical training involves very little training on nutrition either – it seems to be all funded by Big Pharma, so that all ‘medicines’ are artificially-produced substances…

207059 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Carrie, 2, #931 of 1695 🔗

I take it you have heard of the famous example of Graviola; it’s a leaf of the Soursop plant which has allegedly pretty good anti-cancer properties. They tried to work out what the active ingredient was, so that they could patent it. They failed. One day, a functionary turned up with some cardboard boxes and demanded that they put all their research notes into the box. No patent, no publication of the fact that Graviola/Soursop leaves were worth trying as an alternative anti-cancer treatment.

The research team was told to sign five-year NDA documents. As soon as the five years was up, the story was splashed over the internet. Criminals, all of them.

207017 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to chaos, 3, #932 of 1695 🔗

Yes, my dentist is the same; lectured me that “If everyone had obeyed The Rules from the beginning, this would all be over now”.

Didn’t bother seeing me all damned year, so eventually I phoned up and demanded an appointment. When I got there, I deliberately went into a rage at the staff and said “I was THAT CLOSE to cancelling my Denplan direct debit over this. Very sheepish look from the masked idiot behind the desk, then the reception staff said the worst possible thing “There is a pandemic on, you know”. Like it’s the fucking Second World War!

Any excuse now; I’ve told them I’m going private if there’s any more nonsense, at least I’ll dictate the terms.

206875 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #934 of 1695 🔗

Very! Thanks.

206375 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 61, #935 of 1695 🔗

I have had enough of customers hesitating at the door asking feebly “can we come in?”. I have put a sign outside saying “House rules: there are no rules. Come in and take a seat”.

No doubt, the BID chairwoman will have a hissy fit when she sees it tomorrow and will go and dob me in to the authorities for my continued act of non-belief. To which I say – tough.

206384 ▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to kh1485, 16, #936 of 1695 🔗

You’re an inspiration! If I didn’t have to travel across the pond, I’d be at yours regularly and without a mask. Keep up the defiance!

206391 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to kh1485, 4, #937 of 1695 🔗

Too right! (Unless they’re wearing a high-viz jacket, of course, and look officious…..)

206398 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Banjones, 6, #938 of 1695 🔗

Yeah, they’re all banned … for life!

206452 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to kh1485, 16, #939 of 1695 🔗

How about a sign saying:

“Exempt from wearing a mask? You are welcome here. We won’t ask (we know the law)”

The BID Nazi cannot argue with that – it is the law.

206483 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #940 of 1695 🔗

Thanks for the idea AG. May also, in keeping with my act of subversiveness advertise that we have exemption cards available (thanks to Jean – a reader of this site, though not contributor – who very kindly donated some to us last week).

206642 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #941 of 1695 🔗

Great idea – surely council can’t argue with that?

206863 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to kh1485, 1, #942 of 1695 🔗

That’s a great sign – and you’re doing a great job!

206377 chaos, replying to chaos, 8, #943 of 1695 🔗

Their Great Reset is unraveling?

206385 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to chaos, 15, #944 of 1695 🔗

It was always going to be a race against time. How long could they keep the Great Unwashed terrified and in thrall to their coercive madness – and how long would it be before their poisonous vaccine could be produced? They have dangled the vaccine carrot before us and now they’re running out of time before too many of us become too cynical to be controlled.

Sorry to repeat myself, but these wise words are so apt:

Hopeful people are more easily controlled, but the volume must be managed. Too much hope leaves a person emboldened and resistant. Too little leaves them disabled and useless. But just the right amount of hope subjugates them. They cradle it like a dying ember, and they’ll do anything to keep the wind from extinguishing it…….. ”

206443 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to chaos, 8, #945 of 1695 🔗

Not sure it can be unraveled easily. I would guess it has been a couple of decades in the making. Look at all the global institutions and the heads of multinational companies – all their people are in position to push the agenda. I suspect Common Purpose training in the UK public sector was all about getting people in positions of power who think the ‘correct’ globalist way.

The virus was just the perfect excuse to roll out the digital currencies, digital health passports and mandatory vaccination programs which they would never have got through under normal times. Just the finishing touch to a reshaped world.

206484 ▶▶▶ TT, replying to Darryl, 5, #946 of 1695 🔗

War on Communism… War on Drugs… War on Terror… War on The Virus… !

206763 ▶▶▶ Helen, replying to Darryl, 2, #947 of 1695 🔗

common purpose motto…. Power without authority !

206379 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 10, #948 of 1695 🔗

Re ”elderly patients”.
Let’s say – being kind – that Mr Wittery isn’t in the first flush of youth. Yet you can bet your bottom dollar that if HE’d become ill then no effort would have been spared for his comfort.
Or if any of the elderly members of his family had become ill… would they have been left bereft?

Let’s guess, shall we?

206543 ▶▶ steph, replying to Banjones, 4, #949 of 1695 🔗

Is elderly now over 60? We can’t even collect our pensions so we are supposed to still be in “late middle age” and being productive.

206381 Cheezilla, 15, #950 of 1695 🔗

Great comment on Hitchen’s blog:

My son used to ask me what is time ? i would tell him its the rising of the sun and the setting of the sun and explain that there are no days of the week cos there are no days no weeks and no years either, its just the same day with different weather possibility’s. Its the weather and life that makes us old. I suspect many of us have aged a lot faster riding along with Mr Johnson at the wheel fear mongering to fulfil his own agenda. To thos in hiding i would say..
” The all father wove the skein of your life a long time ago, go and hide in a hole if you wish but you won’t live one instant longer, your fate is fixed and fear profits a man nothing. “

206390 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 20, #951 of 1695 🔗


206399 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Cheezilla, 11, #952 of 1695 🔗

Pomme de terror

206400 ▶▶ Bill Hickling, replying to Cheezilla, 9, #953 of 1695 🔗

Cone on, you are comparing apples and oranges!

206407 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #954 of 1695 🔗

Did the apple have symptoms?

206438 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Major Panic, 5, #955 of 1695 🔗

if a papaya can test positive, then why not other fruit.

206533 ▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Major Panic, 2, #956 of 1695 🔗

A loss of taste.

206857 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Major Panic, #957 of 1695 🔗

Looks very healthy to me.

206942 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Major Panic, #958 of 1695 🔗

Yes… it was turning red from the fever!

206440 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #959 of 1695 🔗

That’s apple-ing!

206605 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to JohnB, 2, #960 of 1695 🔗

Rotten to the core! 🙂

206463 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #961 of 1695 🔗

It has DNA.

206504 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #962 of 1695 🔗

This could be a movement.

206714 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #963 of 1695 🔗

That’s why we have a spike in Notts then.

206413 Helen, replying to Helen, 3, #964 of 1695 🔗

police end the Berlin Demo speeches as rabble rouser Atliia tells too many truths

206434 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Helen, 1, #965 of 1695 🔗

Sputnik feed showing the people are not cowed in their peaceful protest. As the helmeted coward police begine the snatch and grab raid on their fellow citizens.

206475 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Helen, 1, #966 of 1695 🔗

I believe that demo was always scheduled to finish at 4pm, just after Atilla spoke.

206415 Maccynic, replying to Maccynic, 9, #967 of 1695 🔗

I’m sorry this is off thread, but I’m (maskless) at the ‘mall’ (yueuch), and my child is in tears because the retailer will NOT take cash.

What’s the legal position on this no cash crap?

Does law sepercede the ‘company policy’

After my maskless protest to the shop staff we actually got them free. They didn’t even take the cash for charity.

206424 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Maccynic, 4, #968 of 1695 🔗

By and large – their shop their rules. Sorry to hear about your poor child. Hugs from a stranger.
On the other hand, cash is legal tender, so IDK, any lawyers here?
I don’t think contract law is on our side ….

206430 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Rosie, 3, #969 of 1695 🔗

I think legal tender rules apply to banks, not shops.

206638 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Rosie, 2, #970 of 1695 🔗

So does that mean all kids must have a bank card now???? Irrespective of age?

206436 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Maccynic, 1, #971 of 1695 🔗

It’s the shops choice, they can take whatever they want.

206437 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Maccynic, 2, #972 of 1695 🔗

Sort of.

If it’s down to discrimination – they take a black persons cash but not a white person’s cash – this is illegal.

If it’s the same rules for all they can accept or refuse any form of payment they want – i.e. they might demand to be paid in beans only.

Me – if I want to pay cash and they refuse it I put the goods down and go to walk out. Amazing how may suddenly decide to accept it.

if a shop displays a “card only” sign I won’t go in.

To muddy the waters though this has just been through the ECJ:

“However, the European Court of Justice has ruled that creditors have an obligation to accept cash as a form of payment, except in exceptional circumstances. “

206717 ▶▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #973 of 1695 🔗

Yes I’ve walked out of several cafes where they won’t take my cash for a cup of tea etc. I’ve taken great delight in doing so because they’ve already poured my drink. I also make the point and say- that’s fine I will go down the road and find somewhere that will take my cash. The look on their faces is quite satisfying. They will learn if business starts to slow. Places that have more tolerance towards no masks and cash- whilst few and far are much busier than the rest.

206447 ▶▶ Maccynic, replying to Maccynic, 6, #974 of 1695 🔗

Thanks for your replies, I seem remember reading in the Sunday times a couple of weeks ago that surface transmission had been downgraded because the small amount of virus on surfaces in real life had a short shelf life. The previous dramatic stories had been based on lab test depositing very large doses. Lasting longer clearly.

Which brings me to my point. If surface transmission is being downgraded, why exactly is cash not being accepted?

206450 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Maccynic, 9, #975 of 1695 🔗

cashless society – part of the great reset new green utopia, been spoken about at length on conspiracy websites for years.

206598 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Maccynic, 2, #976 of 1695 🔗

If surface transmission is being downgraded, why exactly is cash not being accepted?” Good question.

 Another good question – if surface transmission is “a thing” why are fast food places attempting to abolish face to face service & install lanes of [potentially covid-infested] touch screens, and terminals? why aren’t shops quarantining a chip & pin machine for 72 hours in between customers placing their hands on them? 🙂

206612 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 4, #977 of 1695 🔗

All this self-service etc in restaurants, shops etc is for one thing only – to reduce the number of expensive staff and use cheaper alternatives and get the customer to do the work themselves.

That it.

206623 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #978 of 1695 🔗

The irony is that they still need a human to sort self service tills out when they don’t work.

I always used to go to the self service tills at Waitrose (when I was still a customer) and they were forever having a hissy fit over something you hadn’t done properly. And bearing in mind how bloody slow their checkout staff are (like when they read the front page of the magazine/newspaper you are attempting to buy), it always amused me that the automated version would chide you for not scanning quickly enough!

206685 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to kh1485, 1, #979 of 1695 🔗

Unexpected virus in bagging area!

206777 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to annie, #980 of 1695 🔗


206710 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #981 of 1695 🔗

The lazy twats in Tesco pointing at the self check out too brain dead to realise it’s their job that’s going.

206482 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Maccynic, 3, #982 of 1695 🔗

There are no scientific grounds for this. It’s another Scary Fairy story.

But – as far as I know – shops can basically do as they like in setting up stupid rules unless it contravenes some other legislation.

206657 ▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to Maccynic, 1, #983 of 1695 🔗

Put the money down, take the goods out. You have paid for it

206420 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 4, #984 of 1695 🔗
206637 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Victoria, 2, #985 of 1695 🔗

In other words, if you wish to find out who rules over you, simply found out who doesn’t have to wear a mask.’

206425 Victoria, 16, #986 of 1695 🔗

Thought police

206426 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 6, #987 of 1695 🔗

Another well, well, well moment:


“The majority of deaths during the influenza pandemic of 1918-1919 were not caused by the influenza virus acting alone, report researchers from the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), part of the National Institutes of Health. Instead, most victims succumbed to bacterial pneumonia following influenza virus infection.”

Source: NIH/National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases

Director: Fauci – yes, that Fauci

His quote:

“The weight of evidence we examined from both historical and modern analyses of the 1918 influenza pandemic favors a scenario in which viral damage followed by bacterial pneumonia led to the vast majority of deaths,” says co-author NIAID Director Anthony S. Fauci, M.D. “In essence, the virus landed the first blow while bacteria delivered the knockout punch.”

206477 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #988 of 1695 🔗

The much-cited 1918/19 pandemic (source for 2nd wave bollocks generalisations) is actually much disputed in terms of what happened – whether it was the result of one infection, or an overlapping series etc. etc.

One thing you can be sure of : anyone citing it as typical model,is talking crap.

206428 Victoria, 5, #989 of 1695 🔗

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Let the facts and the data speak for themselves – after the shocking intro piece, I supply some of those for you. Don’t worry – science still lives, albeit under attack. Please everyone sign the Barrington Declaration. It’s one way of fighting back. We need to make our voices heard. https://gbdeclaration.org/


206431 PhilipF, replying to PhilipF, 22, #990 of 1695 🔗

Went to a garden centre today. Every customer was nappy faced – outside! So, another day during which I will experience a bout of impotent internalised rage.
I think part of being a sceptic is a desire to stop society and our dignity being destroyed. But I’m not sure most people don’t deserve what they are getting.

206448 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to PhilipF, 13, #991 of 1695 🔗

I completely agree, the vast majority deserve everything they are getting and more. There is no excuse now for anyone who hasn’t questioned the wisdom of locking down a whole country and the nonsensical rules since.

206500 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Darryl, 5, #992 of 1695 🔗

Sorry to piss on your self-righteous pansies – but that sort of rhetoric isn’t going to change any minds amongst the brainwashed victims of SPI-B.

I’m not sure what will, given the breadth of the propaganda – but ranting is definitely not the answer, and changing minds is the only worthwhile objective.

206705 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to RickH, 1, #993 of 1695 🔗

Trying hard to pursued them, but I live in an area with an above average age demographic and a couple of ‘with’ Covid deaths, next to an area with zero Covid deaths – and that is from the official statistics. Yet people locally still seem to think there is a great plague going on and the bodies are piling up, they have ceased believing what their own eyes tell them and only believe the propaganda. Many have a cult like belief that things can’t go back to normal.

206449 ▶▶ DRW, replying to PhilipF, 17, #994 of 1695 🔗

Which is why I barely go out these days, it’s all just too depressing to see that we are the abnormal ones now.

206471 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to DRW, 17, #995 of 1695 🔗

Be careful not to let the bastards win by reclusing you. If thats normal for you so be it. But getting out is a good thing to do for your health. Find ways to make it less disgusting – 5 am jog or go out with They Live sunglasses. Don’t let the bastards trap you in your home. Fight by looking after yourself.

206639 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Basics, #996 of 1695 🔗

I still regularly walk around residential and wooded areas but the shops and main roads are too much most days.

206515 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to PhilipF, 7, #997 of 1695 🔗

Just on my way back from town which I’ve avoided till now. City went into lockdown a couple of weeks ago so few shops open. Nappies everywhere. Halloween in the biggest night of the year in this City (Derry) and would normally be buzzing in the run up. A lot of events on and hotels all sold out.

It’s a ghost town. Completely depressing experience.

206432 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 21, #998 of 1695 🔗

Re: Comments about education,qualifications and ability.
I’m sure many fellow sceptics have experienced the following during their working lives; I used to work in a crystal glass factory and more than once when installing various furnace equipment, the “experts” with all their qualifications and papers would struggle to get something or other to work and in the end, just give up and say “it can’t be done” and just leave it.
Cue one of the factory’s hairy a××ed bog standard fitters who would have left school at 14 and who could barely read and write and he would “rummage” though the scrap heap, find some “bits and pieces” and within a few hours would have everything working perfectly.
I have experienced this, time and time again.
Qualifications do not automatically equate to common sense and ability.

206467 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Fingerache Philip., 10, #999 of 1695 🔗

Heard the same in spring from a mechanic at our local sugar beet factory. The young engineer scratched their head for days and he had it fixed in a couple of hours.

206524 ▶▶ Brian ‘Monty’ Cohen, replying to Fingerache Philip., 6, #1000 of 1695 🔗

“I never let my schooling get in the way of my education”: Mark Twain.
Unfortunately, too many of us do!

206435 Helen, replying to Helen, 4, #1001 of 1695 🔗

police ended the Berlin demo @ 15 55 hr

206458 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Helen, 5, #1002 of 1695 🔗

Still plenty of protest happening on sputnik youtube. People are standing fast in berlin.

206499 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Basics, 6, #1003 of 1695 🔗

Police cacking themselves, a group of them have been surrounded.

206506 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #1004 of 1695 🔗

Lucky for them the crowd are peaceful. Wonder how long that will last (I don’t mean today, but in general)?

206460 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Helen, 6, #1005 of 1695 🔗

There were 2 demos I believe, I just watched Bodo and Samuel near the Brandenburg Tor, and there is “trouble” at the other one.
They have arrested Markus Haintz, the most famous solicitor in Germany, and there will be religious service organised by the 2nd most famous solicitor, Ralph Ludwig, in Germany in front of the police station where he is being held.
i do not know why he was arrested, apparently they used quite some force.

206495 ▶▶▶ Helen, replying to Silke David, #1006 of 1695 🔗

Thanks Silke .. do you have live stream from the bus please?

206505 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Helen, 1, #1007 of 1695 🔗

Use teelgram Alles ausser mainstream – Bodo
or Samuel Eckert – https://dlive.tv/samueleckert

206501 ▶▶▶ 2 pence, replying to Silke David, #1008 of 1695 🔗


206580 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to 2 pence, 3, #1009 of 1695 🔗

as of 17.00 German time he is free.
Just seen a video on Telegram Alles ausser mainstream of his “arrest”. He was just walking along towards some policemen, holding hands with his girlfriend, and they jumped him, shoved her against a wall.
Wow, Berlin police on best form again today. Although they have been very friendly and co-operative at the Brandenburg Tor.
Main demo was planned for Alexanderplatz, but seems they stopped people assembling there.

206491 ▶▶ Helen, replying to Helen, 1, #1010 of 1695 🔗

but now arrests begin

206444 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 18, #1011 of 1695 🔗


206478 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #1012 of 1695 🔗

Just shows the complete incompetence of the Conservative party to make such a bad PR mistake for an amount of money which now looks like small change. Funny how the magic money tree crop is targeted towards protecting the people who are most likely to vote Conservative.

Not entirely convinced there are hundreds of thousands of children going hungry like some in the media would like to believe. But I wouldn’t be surprised if there is in the near future if the public don’t wake up soon.

I bet the £25 would go a long way in the subsidised parliament restaurants.

206503 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Darryl, 5, #1013 of 1695 🔗

Without those at the top of the tree leading by example, whatever the rights and wrongs of children not being fed properly in certain households, there is little hope for social cohesion in the country. The government walked straight into this one, and anyone half smart advising it ought to have seen it coming.

206704 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Darryl, 1, #1014 of 1695 🔗

I thought it was to pay the extortionate Pret prices!

206765 ▶▶ Shep, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1015 of 1695 🔗

agreed it seems unfair but dont forget you could become an MP if you really wanted to. 😘

206459 arfurmo, 2, #1016 of 1695 🔗

90 -yesterday 174, day before 224 but let’s make the worst of it.

206465 Jonny S., replying to Jonny S., 6, #1017 of 1695 🔗

Sorry if this has been posted already but this just in from the Express.

Spain declares state of emergency until MAY as nation hit by huge coronavirus spike

206472 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Jonny S., 4, #1018 of 1695 🔗

What is about Spain that’s made it the worst in Europe? And that’s with some strong competition.

206494 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to DRW, 7, #1019 of 1695 🔗

Nothing. 7 day moving average 150 deaths per day. Completely flat for several weeks.

206621 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to stewart, #1020 of 1695 🔗

I meant in having the worse hysteria.

206652 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to DRW, 3, #1021 of 1695 🔗

History of fascism, catholic emotionalism

206628 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to stewart, #1022 of 1695 🔗

Is 15 per day all causes or just Covid?

206647 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to DRW, #1023 of 1695 🔗

Face nappies and gloves everywhere?

206689 ▶▶▶ DJC, replying to DRW, #1024 of 1695 🔗

Probably related to what extent health systems are State-run as opposed to private sector.

206486 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Jonny S., 4, #1025 of 1695 🔗

‘Coronovirus spike’ = testdemic?

206497 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Jonny S., 3, #1026 of 1695 🔗

Looking at worldometer the 7 day ave death rate of people WITH covid is about 140 a day. A month ago it was 130.

206877 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Jonny S., 1, #1027 of 1695 🔗

Don’t forget that worldometers only show ‘reported’ death numbers, not death ‘by date of death’ numbers. Former is always waaay scarier than the latter.


That document shows the actual Spain numbers; page 5 shows the ‘deaths by date of death’ numbers. Not nice for those who have died, but nowhere near as scary.

206604 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Jonny S., 4, #1028 of 1695 🔗

Spain is a country with a lot of income generated from holiday makers. I wonder if they’ll change their tune when they are facing a second summer with much reduced tourism.

206625 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 7, #1029 of 1695 🔗

Cynical me thinks are they declaring an emergency to get more money from EU or WHO.

206684 ▶▶▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to thinkaboutit, 2, #1030 of 1695 🔗

This seems possible, but could also be central government throwing its weight around.

206466 Edward, replying to Edward, 17, #1031 of 1695 🔗

Manchester United’s proposals for allowing fans back to matches (Sunday Telegraph report):

“….supporters being allocated time slots at the turnstiles. From there, they would have their temperature checked by staff and be asked to scan their match-day ticket, ideally direct from their phones. Fans will be expected to have downloaded the NHS test and trace app and carry photo ID and be subjected to random spot checks. Face masks will be mandatory – it has yet to be determined if they would have to be worn throughout the match – with social distancing enforced and strict one-way systems in operation. At the final whistle, fans would be expected to stay in their seats while stewards coordinated staggered departures. Food kiosks are unlikely to be open….”

Words fail me.

206487 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Edward, 12, #1032 of 1695 🔗

Utter misery.

206490 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Edward, 2, #1033 of 1695 🔗

One of the many things about temperature checks that worries me, is that it’s compatible with the concept of vaccination including an identifying element of some kind. No need for ID or a DNA check, they’d know exactly who you are from this. Can any techies here comment on the plausibility of this sci-fi-like possibility?

206509 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Rosie, 5, #1034 of 1695 🔗

I wouldn’t want my temperature checked by a non- medic.

206665 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Rosie, 1, #1035 of 1695 🔗

Conditioning for tattoo embedded in the skin with vaccine history.
No scan no entry.Seems far out but our old friend Dr Gates is heavily involved again

206669 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #1036 of 1695 🔗

Not sci fi technology is already out there.Digital/health passport is forerunner

206493 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Edward, 8, #1037 of 1695 🔗

Yet I still think there would be huge demand amongst ‘fans’. Completely destroys the experience of going to a football match. I guess these people are probably so completely soulless now they will enjoy this experience.

Belarus carried on having fans at matches after all the other leagues panicked – no mass deaths of football fans, or anyone else.

206502 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Darryl, 6, #1038 of 1695 🔗

I agree. It’s often been suggested that many people are enjoying the “drama” around covid, and they would regard all the above crap as part of the adventure.

206645 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Edward, 1, #1039 of 1695 🔗

All those nappied ghouls … UGH.

206595 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Edward, 4, #1040 of 1695 🔗

I’m not a football fan but if I was I’d be telling them to shove it.

206696 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Edward, #1041 of 1695 🔗

Sounds like it will take longer to get in and out of the stadium than the time for the match itself!

Are fans allowed to cheer, or do they have to whisper?

206470 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 8, #1042 of 1695 🔗

Going to make another break for the border this evening. Will having Delwyn my cuddly red dragon on the parcel shelf attract more attention from the Grenztruppen der Cymru or less, do you think?

206498 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #1043 of 1695 🔗

Don’t forget the hour went back so there’ll be daylight for longer. No ‘slipping over the border under the cover of darkness’ I’m afraid.

206510 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to bluemoon, 6, #1044 of 1695 🔗

Wrong way round, it’s now darker earlier in the evening by the time on the clock.

206522 ▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Edward, 2, #1045 of 1695 🔗

God I always get it wrong. Sorry.

206511 ▶▶▶ watashi, replying to bluemoon, 2, #1046 of 1695 🔗

? other way round surely? darker earlier now?

206564 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to bluemoon, 2, #1047 of 1695 🔗

lol, I’m pretty blatant.

206587 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #1048 of 1695 🔗

Have you noticed a difference on the borderland roads this time? Back in spring they were dead. This time, maybe quiet, but still plenty of traffic. A totally different atmosphere. No police encountered either.

206632 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Mr Dee, 3, #1049 of 1695 🔗

Saw none coming back from London last night, crossed the border on the A55. Haven’t seen any at all along the A548, last lockdown there was usually at least one car sat in a layby.

Hopefully NWP have washed their hands of it, unless anybody is being totally stupid.

206636 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #1050 of 1695 🔗

Oh, except for the usual speed trap vans of course. Noticed they’ve taken to sitting on bridges over the A5/A483. Sneaky sneaky.

206640 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #1051 of 1695 🔗

Lockdown heroes, please take heed:
You must not get high on speed.

206785 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to annie, #1052 of 1695 🔗

But if you do get caught, you herbert,
Just tell the Fuzz it’s a dab of sherbert.

206779 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Nick Rose, #1053 of 1695 🔗

Yes spotted one of those the other week on that flyover as you cross into Shropshire, with Stay Safe emblazoned across it in English and Welsh.

206629 ▶▶ annie, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #1054 of 1695 🔗

Be useful on the way back. The zombie border vigilantes hate the English. The real purpose of the LD is to keep the Englush out.
Talk Welshie, boyo.

206496 Laura Suckling, replying to Laura Suckling, 18, #1055 of 1695 🔗

Well, what do we have here? Accurate reporting about the protest yesterday:


I was there and she’s correct, young; old, disabled, rich, poor all chatting all friendly. I didn’t witness the trouble at the end (being a woman of a certain age) needing a pee and a sit down prior to 4.00pm.

Anyway, there did seem to be an awful lot of police vans there. I’ve never been to a protest before so don’t know what’s normal.

I was happy that the whole feel of the protest was so very friendly.

206512 ▶▶ NappyFace, replying to Laura Suckling, 6, #1056 of 1695 🔗

We can not tolerate such insolence from our slave drones. How dare you question our Covid measures?

This is a lethal virus, and our measures are for your own good.

You must be re-educated and muzzled, and above all prevented from associating with other trouble-making, criminal types.

206539 ▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to NappyFace, 9, #1057 of 1695 🔗

Lol. The slave drones have had enough. It comes to something when lots of law abiding citizens decide to protest regardless of the instructions from on high. One does not have to be a scientist or an ‘expert’ to work out that something is clearly wrong.

The lack of the ability to associate is more than a little worrying now.

Got to say some people are very creative. There were a couple of guys holding a giant syringe with Covid 19 skull and crossbones and ‘toxic ingredients’ on the side. There were also some very astute banners and signs.

206562 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Laura Suckling, 3, #1058 of 1695 🔗

I’m glad they held the syringe high!!

206559 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Laura Suckling, 4, #1059 of 1695 🔗

Always lots of police vans at an anti-lockdown rally. Have been at all those I’ve attended in London. I blame Khan, among others.

206507 Basics, replying to Basics, 4, #1060 of 1695 🔗

Bear witness to German police attacking peaceful protestors of all ages. Live now.


206519 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Basics, 10, #1061 of 1695 🔗

The riot police must be so proud of themselves, it’s the most unintimidating crowd I have seen. Pathetic New World Order fascist policing yet again.

206526 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Darryl, 8, #1062 of 1695 🔗

The most disgusting tzctic just witnessed thug police grab one man and walk him off not hands behind back but jackboot black glove placed over mouth and nose to prevent breathing head forced upwards by that hand and then marched off.

German tsg are fucking scum. Even one crappy little armoured police woman looked shocked at the vile action of her colleague.

206538 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Basics, 7, #1063 of 1695 🔗

You would have thought the country would have learned from its pass about tyranny. German police seem to have found a copy the old SS training manual (think the Met TSG also have a copy). I wonder if Merkel will be reopening the old camps soon? could probably get IMF funding.

206576 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Darryl, 2, #1064 of 1695 🔗

Dachau is standing empty.

206718 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #1065 of 1695 🔗

Yes, have visited there. It started with the political dissenters, not convinced human behaviour has changed in the slightest since. The same type of people would carry out the same crimes if given orders.

206733 ▶▶▶▶▶ Helen, replying to Darryl, 3, #1066 of 1695 🔗

No Darrly, respectfully thats a bit of an unfair generalisation. It was reported today by a person from Querdenken, that of all the very many demos they have organised around Germany only 3 have been cut short by the police and they were all in Berlin. So I’d agree with what you say in terms of the Berlin police.

The Corona Tour Bus which is on tour of the whole country, stopping often 3 times a day in different towns, have only once been prevented from giving their speeches. This is Dr Bodo Schiffmann, Samule Ekert and local or national guest speakers like Dr Heiko Schöning.

206751 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Helen, 1, #1067 of 1695 🔗

Thanks for the information. Just can’t see why the police often seem to be intent on ending a protest with arrests for media headlines rather than let every one drift of home like would naturally happen.

206845 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Darryl, 2, #1068 of 1695 🔗

So the media and the paid troublemakers know what time to turn up?

206558 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Darryl, -4, #1069 of 1695 🔗

Yes they are… That’s why I say moron slaves should pay first a visit to the house of copigs and then protest!

206508 NappyFace, replying to NappyFace, 2, #1070 of 1695 🔗

Anyone know where is the data (for UK but also for anywhere else) on who is being hospitalised and dying of covid please? Is there summary of the ages, co-morbidities and what they are etc?

206555 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to NappyFace, -4, #1071 of 1695 🔗

No one is dying from COVID. Try to catch up!

206613 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Voz 0db, #1072 of 1695 🔗

How do you explain the spike in deaths here in the UK during March, April and May? And similar spikes in other countries?

206789 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Julian, -2, #1073 of 1695 🔗

Well… lockdowns and restricting access to hospitals and clinics.


At least enjoy it!

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Ah! And do not forget to wear the muzzle!

206616 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Voz 0db, 5, #1074 of 1695 🔗

Yes, but people are said to be dying of Covid, and the zombies believe that.
Corpse counts never include any analysis or contextualisation. From THEIR point of view, the more corpses the better, who cares who they are, what age they are, or what they really died of? Indeed, who cares about them at all, except as useful terror stats?

206800 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to annie, #1075 of 1695 🔗

People are just dying from the usual disease we call pneumonia. Nothing new about dying due to pneumonia.

When I say no one is dying from “COVID” is due to this reality:

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One can EASILY have a “negative” chemical amplification after a “positive” one! So, who is dying due to “COVID” (just a new label for regular/usual pneumonia)?

206673 ▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to NappyFace, 1, #1076 of 1695 🔗

Google NHS coronavirus deaths to get an analysis by age and region

206513 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 16, #1077 of 1695 🔗

Excellent comment in the Express:


If this very British Covid rebellion spreads no power in the world will stop it.

AS acts of civil defiance go it could barely have been more British. The Met Police were tooled up for a full-scale riot – the number of Territorial Support Group vans on London’s streets a clear sign they were ready to move against the “anti-mask mob” at a moment’s notice.

206581 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Nick Rose, 8, #1078 of 1695 🔗

Haha. Quiet fury is what the British do best.

206619 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Mr Dee, 4, #1079 of 1695 🔗

And it’s building up nicely now.

206517 Cheshirecatslave, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 25, #1080 of 1695 🔗

At church today there were a group of about 10 people chatting. I got into a conversation with a man who said the Government said, “Stay in,” the more he wanted to go out. I said “I’m the same.”

One lady is starting a walking group as indoor church social activities are banned so we can socialise as well as have religious services.

206607 ▶▶ annie, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 6, #1081 of 1695 🔗

That’s the spirit. And the Spirit. God bless your walks.

206518 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 5, #1082 of 1695 🔗
206586 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Nick Rose, 7, #1083 of 1695 🔗

What we may be seeing here is actually the myth about Covid-19. Berlin is, like the UK, using duff testing to classify people as having it, whereas Sweden isn’t, but is using clinical indicators.

I don’t know; just a surmise. Of course, the German lockdowns may also be having an effect in terms of lowering immunity to various diseases.

It would be interesting to have more information.

206617 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to RickH, 4, #1084 of 1695 🔗

Agreed. Sweden is the elephant in the room, just nice to see confirmation…

206624 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #1085 of 1695 🔗

Here’s a nice little film from Sweden for you, Nick: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qNfowAlwrY

206662 ▶▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to RickH, 1, #1087 of 1695 🔗

ICU use in Scandinavia generally is tracking way lower than in Europe generally. Low flu as well. You guess herd immunity but there maybe other factors in play as well..

206523 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 33, #1088 of 1695 🔗

Bob Moran gets it. H/T Peter Hitchens

206656 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Nick Rose, 5, #1089 of 1695 🔗

Bob’s cartoons are brilliant, I’d hang a couple of framed ones in each room if my wife would let me!

206660 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Nick Rose, 6, #1090 of 1695 🔗

Wonderful cartoon!

206674 ▶▶ PhilipF, replying to Nick Rose, 5, #1091 of 1695 🔗

The original has already sold for £1500. Triple what was the normal price. There are same great ones I wish I had got.

206681 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #1092 of 1695 🔗

Bob is the best sceptic in the Telegraph. Daniel Hannan and Janet Daley maybe 2nd and 3rd.

206529 NappyFace, replying to NappyFace, 7, #1093 of 1695 🔗

You are all criminals.

How dare you question anything about this pandemic and the response to it?

The great leaders of our new globalised medical techno-dictatorship will have security services knocking at your doors in no time.

You are on a level with murderers and armed robbers. You belong in prison, and you certainly don’t deserve to vote or travel or keep any of your assets.

Justice will be done.

206600 ▶▶ annie, replying to NappyFace, 3, #1094 of 1695 🔗

Yeah. Like.

206530 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 9, #1095 of 1695 🔗

“We’ll be in and out of firebreaks until a vaccine is found.”

– Welsh national socialist minister.

206541 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Stuart, 5, #1096 of 1695 🔗

Lots of poverty and broken dreams.

206549 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Victoria, 3, #1097 of 1695 🔗

And a destroyed economy. Many of us live close enough to the border to do our shopping on the English side of it.

206551 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Nick Rose, -2, #1098 of 1695 🔗

Forget the “economy”. The SRF & Billionaires plans to reshape Their Planet don’t need to have an “economy”!

206550 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Victoria, -3, #1099 of 1695 🔗

You forgot “Lots of deaths”, which is one of the goals of OPERATION COVID! Not the main, but any extra deaths will save TIME and RESOURCES of the next OPERATION “THE GREAT REST”.

207299 ▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Voz 0db, #1100 of 1695 🔗


Is that equivalent to the great unwashed?

206548 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Stuart, -3, #1101 of 1695 🔗

I bet the PLAN includes no vaccine is found, at least until ALL TOOLS for CONTROLLING THE HERD OF MODERN MORON SLAVES are deployed…

206561 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Voz 0db, 7, #1102 of 1695 🔗

Your caps lock is broken.

206569 ▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #1103 of 1695 🔗

That’s all part of the conspiracy I’m sure.

206573 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Tee Ell, 6, #1104 of 1695 🔗

You’d think 77th Brigade would issue them with top of the range equipment! lol

206574 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Mr Dee, -3, #1105 of 1695 🔗

It has its own life!

206609 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Voz 0db, 3, #1106 of 1695 🔗

Ha! A possessed keyboard. I know a mad old Welsh exorcist I can put you in touch with.

206614 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Mr Dee, 7, #1107 of 1695 🔗

No need to drag me into it 🤣

206570 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Stuart, #1108 of 1695 🔗

Fauci claims that immunity is only possible via vaccine.

206575 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Steve Hayes, -7, #1109 of 1695 🔗

Who’s that?

206585 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Voz 0db, #1110 of 1695 🔗

Fauci is the coronavirus guru in the USA.

206620 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Steve Hayes, 8, #1111 of 1695 🔗

Don’t feed the troll!

206832 ▶▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Steve Hayes, #1112 of 1695 🔗

It’s funny the behaviour of the modern slaves when other slaves start to write what they don’t like to be aware of! They start using words like “troll”…

About Fauci,

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206611 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Voz 0db, 1, #1113 of 1695 🔗

Welcome to 2020.

206608 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #1114 of 1695 🔗

Fauci is a fuckwit, a financialising finagler of falsehoods.

206834 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Hieronimusb, -1, #1115 of 1695 🔗

From “HIV” to “SARS-CoV-2” what an awesome curriculum!

207185 ▶▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Voz 0db, #1116 of 1695 🔗

Are you just fatalistic?

207253 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Kevin 2, #1117 of 1695 🔗

No… Realistic.

207294 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Voz 0db, #1118 of 1695 🔗

Amounts to the same thing surely?

206531 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 9, #1119 of 1695 🔗

Gates Vaccine Spreads Polio Across Africa

Microsoft founder Bill Gates has made himself the global vaccine czar as his foundation spends billions on spreading new vaccines globally. While much attention has been given to the role of Gates behind the corrupt WHO in promoting radical untested coronavirus vaccines, the record of the Gates Foundation pushing an oral polio vaccine across Africa gives more sobering evidence that all Gates says and does is not genuine human charity. The UN has just recently admitted that new cases of infantile paralysis or polio have resulted in Africa from an oral polio vaccine developed with strong support from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. It mirrors what happened in the USA in the 1950s. This is worth a closer look.


206534 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Victoria, -14, #1120 of 1695 🔗

OLD STORY that no one cares, specially in the DEMOCRACIES of the western countries!

206556 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Voz 0db, 6, #1121 of 1695 🔗

I care.

206560 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Mr Dee, -11, #1122 of 1695 🔗

Good for you…

206601 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Voz 0db, 1, #1123 of 1695 🔗

Cheers x

206663 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Voz 0db, 3, #1124 of 1695 🔗

Fuck 77 twat

206532 Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, -7, #1125 of 1695 🔗

I DO LOVE a good timing!

Special for ALL THOSE MORON SLAVES that yesterday where complaining about the nonsense about “gyms being an essential service”!

Well.. MORONS, do enjoy,

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You DESERVE what’s coming…

206535 ▶▶ dickyboy, replying to Voz 0db, 6, #1126 of 1695 🔗

I think you need a long lie down. Well away from a computer keyboard.

206536 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to dickyboy, -8, #1127 of 1695 🔗

No need I’m having lots of FUN…

206658 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Voz 0db, 1, #1128 of 1695 🔗

Looks like they’ve covered up toilet paper!

206675 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Ned of the Hills, 3, #1129 of 1695 🔗

If so, somebody should shit in their aisles.

206822 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Ned of the Hills, -1, #1130 of 1695 🔗

That would cause a REBELLION! So they won’t do that…

206537 Lockdown_Lunacy, 22, #1131 of 1695 🔗

Another ‘COVID LIES’ sticker spotted on a road sign along the B3349, just after the A33 roundabout. Whoever you are, keep up the good work!

206542 Basics, replying to Basics, 5, #1132 of 1695 🔗

‘Tier 4 local lockdowns’ being considered by government if current rules don’t work
Officials are reportedly considering a plan B if current restrictions have not made a difference by mid-November

Liverpool echo


206545 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Basics, -2, #1133 of 1695 🔗

I would skip Tier 4 and went right now to the final goal…

206557 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Voz 0db, 2, #1134 of 1695 🔗

Would you? Why would i care about that? Please try to make comments that are not selfish in nature.

206571 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Basics, -1, #1135 of 1695 🔗

That’s not selfish… Skipping these useless tier’s BS would save a lot of time and resources, and in the end the ones still alive could resume the new imposed existence!

206754 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Voz 0db, 1, #1136 of 1695 🔗

You seem to be having somekind of inner dialogue only you and yourself are aware of. It was a selfish and as such pointless comment. It seems you are misplaced anyway. Good luck.

206808 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Basics, -1, #1137 of 1695 🔗

I do not need luck!

206603 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Voz 0db, 1, #1138 of 1695 🔗

What is the “final goal” of which you speak?

206816 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Julian, -1, #1139 of 1695 🔗

The final goal of the SRF & Billionaires is to reduce the Herd size by at least 20% till 2030.

206546 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Basics, 7, #1140 of 1695 🔗

That’ll be announced sometime tomorrow then. Thank God I live in Wales, where we don’t have tiers. Oh, wait…

206565 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Basics, 3, #1141 of 1695 🔗

If the lockdown measures don’t work, it proves that more draconian lockdown measures are required. When did unfalsifiable assertion become science?

206566 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Steve Hayes, -2, #1142 of 1695 🔗

Since the moron herd believes RNA “SARS-CoV-2” is a new infectious viral particle that will kill millions, if not billions!

206578 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Voz 0db, 2, #1143 of 1695 🔗

All right. Your caps usage is improving.

206818 ▶▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to OKUK, -1, #1144 of 1695 🔗


206588 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Voz 0db, 1, #1145 of 1695 🔗

I suspect it has been going on for much longer.

206820 ▶▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Steve Hayes, -1, #1146 of 1695 🔗

Don’t get me wrong… I was just referring to the Herd. In the “science” field at least since the last half of the XIX century.

206572 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #1147 of 1695 🔗

The three stooges (Whitless, Vaccine and Bunter) would have us believe an unfalsifiable assertion is the equivalent of empirical evidence.

206577 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Basics, 3, #1148 of 1695 🔗

Plan B for Bonkers? Knowing whether they’ve ‘worked’ or not is a meaningless proposition in terms of public health when non-Covid deaths don’t feature in the equation. These tierful tantrums are moronic for anyone with a mental age of more than 3 years.

206893 ▶▶ guy153, replying to Basics, 1, #1149 of 1695 🔗

I had actually assumed Tier 1 was the highest level of restrictions but this implies they numbered it the other way around. Which is depressing because it makes it easier to add tiers.

206563 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 29, #1150 of 1695 🔗

I have no idea or interest in what bloody tier I am in, I will continue to live my life until I am physically restrained.

206680 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Fingerache Philip., 11, #1151 of 1695 🔗

I am in tier maria.

206692 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to chaos, 2, #1152 of 1695 🔗

Haha! Ps I’ll contact you via the forums tomorrow.

206693 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #1153 of 1695 🔗

When I hear people talking seriously about tiers, its like we’ve entered the twilight zone.

206583 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #1154 of 1695 🔗

Just spotted this:

[Big rally] in Manchester on the 8th I think. Gent on Instagram organising it. It’s going to be a bit different as in everyone is staying in one place, not marching. Go on Anna Brees site, his video is on there.

Also check out Wake Up Hull:

206597 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1155 of 1695 🔗

Think I saw a protest for next weekend at Birmingham. These things seem to be well censored on social media now! don’t think many people have attended protests in Birmingham? not sure why as it is the second largest city.

206606 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Darryl, 1, #1156 of 1695 🔗

Save Our Rights UK on fb seems to have the best network.

206630 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Darryl, 2, #1157 of 1695 🔗

I’ve been hoping for something in Brum as I just can’t get down to London.

206690 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Liam, 4, #1158 of 1695 🔗

Found it, some of the speakers might put off some people, but hopefully a good attendance, if people don’t want a completely miserable November – February they need to show some resistance soon. Sandi Adams did a very good speech at Trafalgar Square, just no one could hear her.

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206731 ▶▶▶▶▶ Shep, replying to Darryl, 1, #1159 of 1695 🔗

would live streaming on a platform like periscope work at a protest where everyone turns thier phone onto loudspeaker to amplify in the crowd?

206741 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Shep, 1, #1160 of 1695 🔗

There probably is some technological work round. I know the social media channels for one of the movements keep on getting taken down and no doubt they would halt any live stream given the chance. The police confiscate sound equipment given half a chance.

206871 ▶▶▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Darryl, 1, #1161 of 1695 🔗

Depressing, would love to go and protest but not in association with that bunch.

207046 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to TheBluePill, 1, #1162 of 1695 🔗

To be honest I think a march without speakers is just a good.

206602 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1163 of 1695 🔗

For Manchester info, find Paul Boys on instagram.

206626 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Cheezilla, #1164 of 1695 🔗

Good Tshirt

206584 Stephen, replying to Stephen, 41, #1165 of 1695 🔗

I just saw a stupid NHS advert (that we pay for) that ramps up the fear.

Reminding everyone about Face, Hands, Space. Pure propaganda. Nothing else.

Of course, there is zero real evidence that any of these interventions (especially masks) make any systematic difference. Every country seems to have the same curve of true cases, irrespective of any of this stuff.

I increasingly feel that we are witnessing pure and unadulterated evil. This really is a period when civilisation is collapsing. The government is basically out of control and resembles a dictatorship.

Public Health Dictatorship is an apt description of what we are seeing. We are on the road to perdition.

206590 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Stephen, 8, #1166 of 1695 🔗

I think there is evidence re. reducing interactions and hand washing.

That’s how these conspiracy theories tend to work, they mix in a little bit of truth with some absolute bullshit.

206593 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Tee Ell, 2, #1167 of 1695 🔗

Care to provide a reference to the empirical evidence?

206661 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #1168 of 1695 🔗


They conclude that: “Although limited, the best available evidence appears to support social distancing measures as a means of reducing transmission and delaying spread.” but also note that “the breadth of measures, including “ community-wide containment ”, [16] needs to be considered in the context of the likely benefit to harm balance, economic costs, and the potential for increasing infection rates once the measures are removed”.

206678 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Charlie Blue, 6, #1169 of 1695 🔗

Reducing contacts, maybe.
Although if the virus is just floating around in the air and everyone/most will eventually inhale it anyway, even that is futile.
Keeping your distance, 3 feet, 6 feet 10 feet: zero evidence, totslly arbitrary.
Let’s not forget: the whole thing was invented by a 14 year old child.
And its primary purpose, now for sure, is to prevent uncontrollable dissent from arising and spreading, not to.prevent the virus from spreading.

206599 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Tee Ell, 6, #1170 of 1695 🔗

Regarding the hand washing, I think it would depend how it is spread. There is some suggestion that the virus is airborne meaning that hand washing is of limited use. Despite this being an allegedly catastrophic event, it seems the scientists don’t know much yet. Perhaps it’s just very hard to establish.

206651 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Julian, 6, #1171 of 1695 🔗

Heneghan & co have discussed evidence for transmission via oro-fecal route. Hand washing would certainly be useful in that respect.

206683 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #1172 of 1695 🔗

Yes, there are plenty of other reasons to wash one’s hands properly, such as avoiding food poisoning

206735 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #1173 of 1695 🔗

Oreo- fecal, fuck no, there is shit on the biscuits now?

206851 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1174 of 1695 🔗

Probably what makes them so moreish.

206955 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to Cecil B, #1175 of 1695 🔗

A reverse Oreo

206864 ▶▶▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #1176 of 1695 🔗

I’m absolutely not an expert in this, but this does seem to fit the data that we have. There is no way that an asymptomatic person can easily spread the virus via the air, but if it is spread by not washing poo off your dirty mitts (and as male I can assure you that a horrific number of us don’t wash our hands after using the toilet) then asymptomatic spread seems feasible.

206682 ▶▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Julian, 9, #1177 of 1695 🔗

The head of the German BMA eq. came out a few weeks ago already and stased that hand washing, disinfection of tables etc. are utter bollocks.
There is no smear infection, just droplets, and that only if exchanged at close distance and for longer than 10 minutes, and possibly aerosols, with an even longer contact time needed and not preventable at all through masking either way.
Enjoy your breaks on the park benches again.

206688 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Jay Berger, 2, #1178 of 1695 🔗

The link.
(2 days ago, he also stated that he doesn’t think that masks work, but had to retract that statement under pressure/blackmail.)
The one on ignoring smear infections stands and wasn’t and isn’t controversial in Germany.

206759 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Jay Berger, #1179 of 1695 🔗

I can’t get my Google translate working for that site, if you can be bothered to paste the translation of an excerpt related to handwashing I’d be interested to read it. Personally I think the difference made will be minimal and that most handwash doesn’t kill viruses very effectively, but I assumed there would be some small impact based on the studies I’ve read previously.

206634 ▶▶▶ dpj, replying to Tee Ell, 10, #1180 of 1695 🔗

Yes, If you are ill and treat it like a cold then some of that will apply like don’t cough or sneeze in to someones face, if you’ve covered your mouth/nose when you’ve coughed/sneezed wash your hands afterwards. Most people have probably done this since they were a child and it’s good hygiene.
I have discussed my lack of confidence that masks work many times and I think forcing people to keep distance is just plain wrong for mental health and wellbeing and risk definitely outweighed by the negatives.
I therefore agree there is some truth in it overall as you say but they are going too far with most of it.

206641 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Tee Ell, 3, #1181 of 1695 🔗

Of course. even if they do work, there has to be a virus going around for them to stop.

..and no, PCR tests prove nothing.

206670 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to Tee Ell, 5, #1182 of 1695 🔗

That Chris Whitty quote, where he’s saying that the R rate dropped in the week before lockdown, that’s often quoted here: what he’s doing is admitting that infections started to deteriorate at some point after the government message about washing hands and keeping distance and before lockdown. Correlation isn’t causation, but most of the likely routes of infection could certainly be partially blocked by improved hand hygiene and/or a bit of extra personal space.

206677 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Tee Ell, 4, #1183 of 1695 🔗

The term ‘conspiracy theory’ has in many cases fallen foul of its own attempts to divert attention away from what is demonstrably true; it is now most commonly used to smear dissenting explanations without consideration of the facts, and it was introduced by the CIA to counter reactions to the Warren Report in the early 1960s for precisely that purpose. Its overuse has rendered it almost meaningless, along with various other words/terms in the English language. Whether or not there is any evidence, as you suggest, is immaterial as far as the general population who are not immuno-compromised are concerned because only by those persons being exposed will we acquire natural immunity which is beyond doubt what we need to achieve. Any other course of action is, as you say, absolute bullshit.

206686 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Hieronimusb, 8, #1184 of 1695 🔗

The term Conspiracy Theory is merely used to avoid discussion, to obscure and hide but unfortunately it has been very successful. It needs to go in the bin, along with calling someone a racist, a ‘right wing extremist’ …. or a bedwetter 😉
Active deceit is something else, and the mix of truth, semi-truth, active lie and manipulation of language can be taken to very sophisticated levels. See BBC for examples. It can be difficult to avoid because it uses known methods of human learning, to see something already known/understood and then add to it. We are learning to keep our wits about us. Q1 – is this person trying to deceive me?

206697 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Rosie, 1, #1185 of 1695 🔗

Absolutely correct, Rosie!

206596 ▶▶ annie, replying to Stephen, 15, #1186 of 1695 🔗

It can be blocked, if people don’t just sit about moaning I despair I despair.
Don’t be such a whinger. DO something. Demonstrate, distribute leaflets, talk to people, post sceptical comments in the media, RENOUNCE EVIL, DENOUNCE EVIL, don’t give in to it.

206671 ▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to annie, 3, #1187 of 1695 🔗

Agreed. I post comments on ToL articles and Comments that are wrong, lie etc. Many more likes now than rebuttals, perhaps , just perhaps , a lot of people are changing their stance, or at least they are not so sure. I chose ToL because its sort of midway between Guardian( total waste of time) and Telegraph ( quite sceptical; opinions rather than ‘news’ dominated by the global health security desk).
Here in France its direct action that works. For instance despite second app being issued, there are still only 4m downloads in a population of 65m . Many French pay lip service to govt edicts, but only follow if they want to or can’t be bothered to object.

206589 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 33, #1188 of 1695 🔗

THE number one non-essential item in Wales:

206592 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Nick Rose, 10, #1189 of 1695 🔗

Turtlehead in the soup now.

206703 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to OKUK, 6, #1190 of 1695 🔗

Let’s all Mock Turtle!

206951 ▶▶ Chris John, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #1191 of 1695 🔗


206633 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #1193 of 1695 🔗

Interesting.Could be the way they maintain order as millions lose their jobs to Automation and AI.The police state they are building is not for nothing

206646 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1194 of 1695 🔗

Notice they are all still wearing masks at the end.

206699 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1195 of 1695 🔗

There’s something very weird about that that makes me feel ill – the automatic voice? The “this is what will happen” attitude …. what does anyone else think?

206793 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Rosie, 1, #1196 of 1695 🔗

I thought the voice was robotic.
And the masks hadn’t escaped me either.

206706 ▶▶ Helen, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1197 of 1695 🔗


206610 Lili, replying to Lili, 13, #1198 of 1695 🔗
206618 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Lili, 5, #1199 of 1695 🔗

And I wonder what they’ll make of today’s Berlin demonstration?

206870 ▶▶▶ mari, replying to Banjones, #1200 of 1695 🔗

probably ignore it

206829 ▶▶ BJJ, replying to Lili, #1201 of 1695 🔗

You call this favourable?

206615 calchas, replying to calchas, 12, #1202 of 1695 🔗

“Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.”

From ‘The Second Coming’ by W. B. Yeats

206709 ▶▶ annie, replying to calchas, #1203 of 1695 🔗

We on LDS must be the worst, then.

207026 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to calchas, 1, #1204 of 1695 🔗

Famously quoted in Stephen King’s The Stand , coincidentally.

206627 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 29, #1205 of 1695 🔗

Why the hell is that Ferguson person being allowed to pontificate to the nation?

Did I imagine it, or didn’t he resign when he was found out to be a shallow, dishonest, dishonourable and completely untrustworthy person?

206649 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Banjones, 17, #1206 of 1695 🔗

The cunt needs Mr 9mm

206654 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Banjones, 13, #1207 of 1695 🔗

He did, but another shallow, dishonest, dishonourable and completely untrustworthy person (or persons) remains spellbound by the charms of his death model.

206694 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #1208 of 1695 🔗

Spellbound by something, anyway

206728 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Banjones, 1, #1209 of 1695 🔗

That’s why he’s pontificating, only arseholes are allowed to do it

206762 ▶▶ Draper233, replying to Banjones, 4, #1210 of 1695 🔗

I think he was a good fit for a shallow, dishonest, dishonourable and completely untrustworthy news platform.

The BBC.

206867 ▶▶▶ mari, replying to Draper233, 1, #1211 of 1695 🔗

Indeed – like attracts like

206796 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Banjones, #1212 of 1695 🔗

Certain sponsorship of both him and the media would be my guess.

206865 ▶▶ mari, replying to Banjones, #1213 of 1695 🔗

LIke most disgraced polititians, he’s come in through the back door

206635 Steeve, replying to Steeve, 2, #1214 of 1695 🔗

Picking up on a thread yesterday

Has there been a successful laboratory test to isolate and confirm the existence of the SARS-COV2 virus?

206668 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #1216 of 1695 🔗

Interesting that from CDC!

206701 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Basics, 2, #1217 of 1695 🔗

Interesting indeed! According to the Independent it has also been isolated by teams in Canada and Australia https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/coronavirus-covid-19-virus-isolate-canada-scientists-mutations-strains-a9399226.html

Doesn’t explain the CDC ‘smoking gun’ you have already highlighted, of course.

206812 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #1218 of 1695 🔗

Why don’t they tell it to self-isolate?

206860 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ mari, replying to annie, 1, #1219 of 1695 🔗

It will defy the lockdown…

206908 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Charlie Blue, #1220 of 1695 🔗

Thanks for the reply

206655 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Steeve, 1, #1221 of 1695 🔗

It is published on Icke’s site but an interesting paper:


206907 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Sarigan, #1222 of 1695 🔗

Thanks for the reply

206666 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Steeve, 10, #1223 of 1695 🔗


CDC document page 39.

Even CDC Now Admits No ‘Gold Standard’ Of COVID19 Virus Isolate
Published on October 11, 2020

Damning CDC document confirms Principia Scientific International claims that there has NEVER been any successful laboratory test to isolate and confirm the existence of the SARS-COV2 virus, alleged to have caused the COVID19 pandemic. In effect, the science tells us there is NO virus!

In one of their [CDC] own documents they state quite clearly:

“Since no quantified virus isolates of the 2019-nCoV are currently available, assays [diagnostic tests] designed for detection of the 2019-nCoV RNA were tested with characterized stocks of in vitro transcribed full length RNA…”

As Rappoport says,

“Since that is the case, that there are no quantified virus isolates, how can one be sure of what is being determined as COVID-19 is, in fact, COVID-19?”

206700 ▶▶▶ SmokeandMirrors, replying to Basics, 2, #1224 of 1695 🔗

Hmmm. Re the Rappoport query…..Where has ‘flu gone?

206746 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to SmokeandMirrors, 1, #1225 of 1695 🔗


Here’s someone else who has noticed the same thing.

206802 ▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Basics, 1, #1226 of 1695 🔗

claims that there has NEVER been any successful laboratory test to isolate and confirm the existence of the SARS-COV2 virus

I think we’ve been here before. As I recall, one laboratory, on one occasion, reported that it had for that one report, been unable to obtain a reference sample to calibrate its own results. That’s what the CDC quote refers to, and it quite plainly does not support the assertion quoted here, which is frankly a misrepresentation of the original document.

206905 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Basics, #1227 of 1695 🔗

Thanks for the reply

207328 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Basics, #1228 of 1695 🔗

Interpreting a covid-19 test result

The lack of a clear-cut “gold-standard” is a challenge for evaluating covid-19 tests; pragmatically, clinical adjudication may be the best available “gold standard,”

So… in the end it all depends on what a clinical “thinks”!

206758 ▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Steeve, 2, #1229 of 1695 🔗

I was on a call last night featuring Dr. Thomas Cowan and he spoke about this issue. Here’s an excerpt from something he wrote in July.


“…they took people’s respiratory sputum and examined it under an electron microscope, but if you look at someone’s respiratory secre­tions, there will be a lot in it. I’ve seen the pictures, which show a coro­navirus but also all kinds of other things—viruses, debris and proteins. They essentially looked at that coronavirus under a microscope and said, “This has different genetic material than usual,” and knowing that the genetic material of coronaviruses is RNA instead of DNA, they said, “we think this is a new coronavirus.” Fair enough. They may have seen a new virus. In fact, they probably did—but they didn’t demonstrate that this new virus is present in millions of copies in everybody with the disease.

I’ve read the original articles postulating that this coronavirus was a new infection. The articles say, “We did not attempt to purify the virus.” What does that mean? It means they took the respiratory secretions con­taining this new coronavirus—but also possibly ten or a million other viruses and a whole lot of toxic stuff—and they injected it down the throat or in the nose of some animals, and some of the animals, not all, got sick. In fact, in one study they couldn’t get normal mice sick—so-called “wild mice”—so they used genetically defective mice, and those mice got sick when injected with this unpurified snot. That doesn’t sound like proof to me.”

206904 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Lisa from Toronto, #1230 of 1695 🔗

Thanks for the reply

206874 ▶▶ guy153, replying to Steeve, 5, #1231 of 1695 🔗

Didn’t see the thread yesterday but this is a myth. There is no doubt that it is a new coronavirus. I’ve posted electron microscope pictures of it before. Obviously there are some human cells in the pictures because viruses can’t reproduce on their own but this is not a big deal. The virus has also been fully sequenced about 50,000 times all around the world which we can use to track its evolution. We can look at its genome and see that it has a lot in common with the other human coronaviruses, especially SARS1, and can identify various related bat viruses. For all this to be somehow falsified would require a massive and somewhat pointless conspiracy.

206903 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to guy153, 1, #1232 of 1695 🔗

Thanks for the reply

207320 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Steeve, #1233 of 1695 🔗

In today’s era of PCR amplification many do claim they are “isolating” RNA pieces! But this alone means ZERO. First because the PCR doesn’t tell how many complete viral particles exist in the infected organism, so the PCR is only good for generate more profit for the manufacturers.

The problem is that they never demonstrate that the allegedly new piece of RNA is indeed an infectious viral particle capable of causing a disease and eventually kill the infected subject. And I say allegedly new because that piece of RNA could already exist for many years but only now was inserted in a database!

For mythical RNA “SARS-CoV-2” there are a lot of useless “isolation” papers but ZERO demonstrating the stated above (bold).

We are just being played…

206659 Basics, replying to Basics, 5, #1234 of 1695 🔗

In her disgustingly titled bmj article titled:
‘Global health disruptors: The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation
November 28, 2018’

Devi Sridhar says the BMG Foundation began in 1997. The usual date seems to be 2000. Can anyone add light to this difference? The William H Gates foundation was apparently the precursor to the BMG Foundation. The William H Gates foundation was set up by the father or bill gates.

From the start of the BMJ sridhar article it says:

“The Gates Foundation has expanded the power of private philanthropic organisations, say Marlee Tichenor and Devi Sridhar

“The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation was established in 1997 with the goal of tackling diseases in the global South through data and technology driven approaches. As a private philanthropic institution without the same limitations on its investments as governments, the foundation has had the freedom to make its own decisions about where it chooses to invest its funding portfolio…”


Disruptor is the agenda buzz word for change agent.

206667 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Basics, 6, #1235 of 1695 🔗

“with the goal of tackling diseases in the global South through data and technology driven approaches.”

Says it all – not driven by the needs of those they claim to be helping, but by technology.

206687 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Basics, #1236 of 1695 🔗

Why is Devi Sridhar saying that?

206784 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Dan Clarke, #1237 of 1695 🔗

Cos she’s a shill.

206726 ▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Basics, 1, #1238 of 1695 🔗

The Gates Learning Foundation was set up in 1997. by Bill and Melinda Gates. In 2000 it merged with the William H. Gates Foundation, founded in 1994, to become the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

206679 Basics, replying to Basics, 7, #1240 of 1695 🔗

South Korean flu jab deaths now 48.

In first 5 minutes.

206747 ▶▶ watashi, replying to Basics, 2, #1241 of 1695 🔗


206708 Emily Tock, replying to Emily Tock, 19, #1242 of 1695 🔗

FFS – Varadkar tweeted a little over an hour ago that hospital beds overcrowding is at an all-time seasonal low in Ireland … kinda beggars the question of why the draconian level 5 lockdown, doesn’t it?

206719 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Emily Tock, 2, #1243 of 1695 🔗


206730 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1244 of 1695 🔗

Well I guess you don’t have people waiting on trolleys when you have loads of empty wards to park them in!

206722 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Emily Tock, 2, #1245 of 1695 🔗

Because he’s put the election on hold and doesn’t want to hand over power to the shinners

The shinners are not kicking up a fuss because they don’t want this poisoned chalice

206729 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Emily Tock, 1, #1246 of 1695 🔗


206858 ▶▶▶ mari, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1247 of 1695 🔗

You can bet on it

206856 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Emily Tock, #1248 of 1695 🔗


207245 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Emily Tock, #1249 of 1695 🔗

Methinks he is positioning FG to walk out out of government when the population turns and force an election.

206725 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 38, #1251 of 1695 🔗

Reasons to be cheerful part 311: Only 11% of people who are advised to “self isolate” do so.
The 89%: we salute you.

206749 ▶▶ Sceptic-on-Sea, replying to Fingerache Philip., 41, #1252 of 1695 🔗

I’m as straight laced as they come.

My six year old is currently on her 3rd period of self isolation since the school term started. Today she has been swimming, she has also been to see her grandparents (they are in their 80s) and she has played out with her friends.

Is anyone really taking part in this farce anymore?

206760 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Sceptic-on-Sea, 8, #1253 of 1695 🔗

11%, we are led to believe.
Sad to say that includes my elder son and his partner,back from Turkey.
Well,that’s what he’s told me.

206766 ▶▶▶▶ Sceptic-on-Sea, replying to Fingerache Philip., 8, #1254 of 1695 🔗

Chin up, they may be fibbing!

207036 ▶▶▶▶▶ Judith Day, replying to Sceptic-on-Sea, 2, #1255 of 1695 🔗

A neighbours son was ‘self-isolating’; which is odd because he lives quite a distance from my house and we were chatting for a long time! :~)

206780 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Sceptic-on-Sea, 4, #1256 of 1695 🔗

My semi-sceptical friend and their housemates are part of the 11%. They all put themselves under house arrest because of one T&T notification and worries about enforcement.

206826 ▶▶▶▶ mari, replying to DRW, 3, #1257 of 1695 🔗

Well, they will (hopefully) wake up to this stupid nonsense when, after completing their prescribed isolation, they leave their house, and shortly after, get another bloody ‘notification’, telling them they’ll have to isolate again. Maybe that’ll wake ’em up?

206852 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Sceptic-on-Sea, 3, #1258 of 1695 🔗

I hope not

206790 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Fingerache Philip., 6, #1259 of 1695 🔗

Where did these figures come from?

OMG not from T and T !!!!!

Pray tell how they work out if some is NOT self isolating

Why do they always chuck in ‘self’. ‘Self’ isolating suggests we have a choice

They are not ‘self’ isolating. The dictatorship has placed them under house arrest, and some might have escaped

Made up propaganda figures to keep the scam going

206806 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1260 of 1695 🔗

Some made the choice. There are people hereabouts who have not left their houses since February.

206825 ▶▶▶▶ Sceptic-on-Sea, replying to annie, 8, #1261 of 1695 🔗

I find it unbelievable but I know it is sadly true.

My friend gave birth 8 weeks ago, her mum has still not seen the baby.

It is clear to me that her mum is lost to coronaphobia. She will not even entertain the idea of having the baby wafted in her general direction at the front door.

Some people are just weird.

206855 ▶▶▶▶▶ mari, replying to Sceptic-on-Sea, 1, #1262 of 1695 🔗

Her mum is terrified of getting the ‘blame’ if something goes wrong (it wont, of course) but its sad that, to avoid finger-pointing, she’s prepared to distance herself from her family

207010 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Sceptic-on-Sea, #1263 of 1695 🔗

Such people will not come back from such fear until a man in a white coat is sitting on their sofa telling them it’s OK to visit the pub again.

206835 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1264 of 1695 🔗

Apparently a King’s College study. Self-report. People said they popped to the shops for food, or didn’t keep isolating because they didn’t have symptoms.

206814 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #1265 of 1695 🔗

Yet there is no way 89% of the population are sceptics. therefore, the majority of rule zealots are virtue signalling hypocrites.

206859 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to JHuntz, 4, #1266 of 1695 🔗

Not sure about the virtue signalling bit – somewhat hypocritical for sure, but they are just people who comply when they feel they have not much choice or it’s very public – so they wear masks, and maybe don’t say to people they think it’s all rubbish, but when no-one is looking they break the rules because they know it’s rubbish. These are the people who can be convinced to push back more. There are virtue signalling zealots, but I don’t think it is all of that 89% by any means

206734 Basics, replying to Basics, 11, #1267 of 1695 🔗

A further point on the foriegn tsg. The Yellow vests of France last year noted eastern european thugs were attacking their protests – looking like french police as they were wearing police uniform and appeared to be acting under police control. There was no doubt they were foreigners acting as french riot police.

A reason for this is to use troops who have no comprehension of the concerns of the people and no shame attacking their own nation.

The weekend of the British police charge at the peaceful protestors in Trafalger square it was clear their training was shit. The ranks of police looked dishevelled and the police on the frontline looked tactically headless. Remember the image of the asian police lady standing with her weapon on her shoulder – a liability to her colleagues. This latest apparent tsg band were different.

206752 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Basics, 4, #1268 of 1695 🔗

Some in Germany have had similar questions.

Empires have historically governed particular provinces with forces raised from ethnically different provinces.

206771 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to calchas, 3, #1269 of 1695 🔗

And then those Empires have fallen to those same forces when they turned against their decadent employers (I’m looking at you, Odoacer).

206850 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Basics, 2, #1270 of 1695 🔗

Referring to the 26th Sept? One of them was a special and clearly terrified. Obviously untrained and also a liability to his colleagues.

206737 Jenny, replying to Jenny, 59, #1271 of 1695 🔗

God I feel miserable at the moment. Went for a walk just to get out of the house. Looked at muzzled strangers wondering what they really think. Saw some lorry thing parked in the street reminding us to download the stupid app, that “the virus” is high/very high/incredibly high/liable to make us all drop dead immediately – I can’t remember exactly what tier 2 means. Just started crying randomly. I don’t believe in Gates, the great reset etc. – I know and respect there are disagreements on that her so please don’t pillory me – but a belief in such monumental incompetence and arrogance is just as depressing. At least there is work (from home obviously but still work) tomorrow. If anyone was in Wimbledon today I was the weirdo in the yellow coat crying for no apparent reason.

206743 ▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to Jenny, 33, #1272 of 1695 🔗

I can sympathise. The sheer idiocy of the situation, and people’s apathy/obliviousness of the fact that this strange obsession with a virus little more dangerous than a nasty strain of flu is destroying MILLIONS of people’s lives, is highly depressing and frustrating.

206744 ▶▶ watashi, replying to Jenny, 19, #1273 of 1695 🔗

Hi Jenny,
I have days where it all feels overwhelmingly awful too. If ever you want to take a trip to the midlands, you’d be very welcome at ours.Hope you’ve got people nearby to talk to/hug. sending hugs xb

206757 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Jenny, 26, #1274 of 1695 🔗

Whatever you believe, I’d be actually encouraged seeing crying humans rather than soulless sheep. If I saw you, I’d offer an equally depressed hug.

206769 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Jenny, 18, #1275 of 1695 🔗

Remember it’s a cult, they will soon destroy themselves and we can get on with our lives

206781 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Cecil B, 18, #1276 of 1695 🔗

It’s not a f.ing ‘cult’, even if it has common psychological mechanisms. It’s an operation in massive psychological conditioning, backed by control of communications.

206801 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to RickH, 13, #1277 of 1695 🔗

That’s what a cult is.

206791 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Jenny, 11, #1278 of 1695 🔗

Don’t worry you weren’t the weirdo it was everyone else. Unfortunately they’ve been conditioned in to not realising it. Count yourself lucky you have natural immunity to it.

206813 ▶▶ mari, replying to Jenny, 9, #1279 of 1695 🔗

You know, if more people broke down in public and were unashamed to do so, you’d be surprised just how many would sympathise and feel like joining you in a howl. I bet the maskers feel the same but have numbed themselves to all this a\s self-defence mechanism. Take heart – you are not alone!

206824 ▶▶ annie, replying to Jenny, 18, #1280 of 1695 🔗

You cried because you are human. Would you rather be a zombie, in a permanent state of abject fear because you believe in all that crap?
It’s never been easy being truly human. But it’s redemptive.
Hang on in there.

206831 ▶▶ Helen, replying to Jenny, 17, #1281 of 1695 🔗

In the beginning I thought there might be a new strain of flu which was more fatal than some previous flu strains but early data from Italy in March showed categorically that this was not the case.

Investigations here in Germany have good evidence that the PCR test (which generates the cases which keeps the whole scam rolling) was concocted by Christian Drosten IN JANUARY 2020 (German virologist and adviser to the Bundestag) and that within a couple of weeks a legal case against him will begin.

I was enthralled this afternoon listening to a guy called Atilla (no idea who he is) at the Berlin demo make some incredible connections between well known politicians to various organisations already in the frame.

The nature of this world wide crisis can no longer be explained by incompetence ( I wish it could) no its a long in the planning criminal conspiracy by ideologue facist lunatics and if they are not stopped by waking up all the sleepers god help us all..

All the evidence ( and believe me an organised team high powered of lawyers and doctors are working frantically gathering it) points to a world wide conspiracy

206838 ▶▶▶ mari, replying to Helen, 2, #1282 of 1695 🔗

You can bet on it

206847 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Helen, 1, #1283 of 1695 🔗

Attilla Hildmann us a well-known vegan chef

206869 ▶▶▶ Helen, replying to Helen, 4, #1284 of 1695 🔗

Jenny of course I don’t mean to say that the politicians are not incompetent and arrogant as well as being corrupt, lying imbeciles.
And I’m terribly sorry your feeling sad…coming here cheers me up very often tho’.

206909 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Helen, 1, #1285 of 1695 🔗

I keep hearing about the hearings in Germany and my German-speaking friend listens to the recordings, but I’ve seen little in English. Is there something that explains to me who is doing what and what’s happening please?

206938 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Jenny, 5, #1286 of 1695 🔗

Oh dear, Jenny, I do sympathise. I was the just-like-you non-weirdo crying in a Costa at lunch time today. Constantly being treated like a biohazard is cumulatively miserable. I live alone, so there’s almost nobody in the world who isn’t currently supposed to put all their energies into keeping me at a distance. It really hurts.

207004 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Alethea, 3, #1287 of 1695 🔗

That’s awful. We are tearing normality a new one for sure. Just 2 weeks, just a mask, just a vaccine, just your kids, just your thoughts.

It’s deeply psychological. Please find someone you can talk to, it always helps.

207094 ▶▶ Jenny, replying to Jenny, 4, #1288 of 1695 🔗

Just replying to myself to say thanks for the support.

207246 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Jenny, 2, #1289 of 1695 🔗

I sympathise very much with your experience – i don’t cry often at all, but I also had a public meltdown on Thursday – in the street (outside Specsavers of all places! – outside because I must be such a threat to the health of everyone, that I’m not allowed inside to have my glasses adjusted).
Someone I hadn’t seen for a long time walked by, said hello and asked if I was coping with everything.
I’m pretty sure he hadn’t bargained for what ensued.
The floodgates opened. Turned out he is on our side – which brought me to another sobfest out of sheer relief.
I have felt a bit better for it since I think – and there has been a huge amount of more positive stuff on here for the last couple of days. The numbers of people turning up to protests seems to be the only exponential growth we are witnessing currently. It may not be over yet, but dare we think that the end feels like it might be coming closer all the time? God I hope so.
Take heart from all the good folk on here – the good guys.

206748 kenadams, replying to kenadams, 22, #1290 of 1695 🔗

I’ve just been to Brands Hatch for a club level motor race meeting.

I’m pleased to report it was almost normal. No need to book in advance, no weird time limits for arriving or leaving. I didn’t see anyone outside of the on-site restaurant wearing a mask. It’s such a big open air venue that social distancing is meaninglessness.

Not something I’d normally do, but wanted to try something rather than staying cooped up in the house all weekend, and I’m glad I did.

206788 ▶▶ Biggles, replying to kenadams, 1, #1291 of 1695 🔗

It must be different for spectators. I have a licence to do sprinting from Motorsports UK and have been informed I would have to wear a mask at all times when not in the car with no exemptions.

207197 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Biggles, #1292 of 1695 🔗

That’s making you into a reluctant virtue-signaller. How disgusting!

206792 ▶▶ mari, replying to kenadams, #1293 of 1695 🔗

Well done – great to see common sense in all it’s finery!

206798 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to kenadams, 7, #1294 of 1695 🔗

That’s near to me, you realise you could have killed my granny don’t you? Actually you couldn’t because she died years ago when old people dying wasn’t news.

207208 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to kenadams, 1, #1295 of 1695 🔗

Not a million miles away, I went to Denny’s fish restaurant at Chislehurst station on Friday night. Thoroughly recommended, the place is stuck in 1986 (an excellent year) so was full of normal people having fun and no covid-bollocks to ruin the night. I had my first prawn cocktail in 30 years and it was ace.

206764 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 10, #1296 of 1695 🔗

Will we be asked to clap when the vaccine is given to the health workers. It is very brave of them.

As they all believe in COVID it would be churlish of them to refuse

206772 ▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to Cecil B, 10, #1297 of 1695 🔗

Given the dangers of an unlicensed, indemnified vaccine, they would certainly be ‘brave’ to take it. Braver indeed than prancing around empty wards in TikTok videos.

206773 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Cecil B, 10, #1298 of 1695 🔗

Remember – they’re under more compulsion than you are to believe all this crap. That’s the way it works; don’t blame the victims – self-righteousness is as much of a psychological flaw as credulity.

206797 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to RickH, 5, #1299 of 1695 🔗

We must avoid the self righteousness displayed by the maskers.

206879 ▶▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to RickH, 3, #1300 of 1695 🔗

Yes – in fairness I know several NHS workers that think the whole thing is bollocks!

206886 ▶▶▶▶ TJS123, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 5, #1301 of 1695 🔗

Absolutely, but as we mainly have mortgages and need to eat we can’t overtly speak out at work, but there are ways and means of spreading the LS word…in my workplace I would say 80% are sceptical.

206922 ▶▶▶▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to TJS123, 7, #1302 of 1695 🔗

MASS disobedience is clearly the way forward. Yourself and your colleagues acting collectively in some way would be what I’d recommend. I don’t underestimate at all the pressure to conform that you must be under and I can’t suggest an exact plan, but clubbing together is the only way onward in my view.

206934 ▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to TJS123, 1, #1303 of 1695 🔗

80% is a very encouraging estimate! The 2 healthcare workers in my extended family are total zealots (and claim that their colleagues are too), so I have had a rather a skewed perspective so far.

206996 ▶▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to TJS123, 1, #1304 of 1695 🔗

Well if 80% are sceptical, shame on all of you for not banding together to stand up to all this tyranny.

And you’ll do the same with vaccine. You’ll think of your mortgage, take your dose and hope for the best.

Your example will then be used to herd the rest of us into a forced vaccine.

Thanks a million.

207285 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJS123, replying to stewart, 1, #1305 of 1695 🔗

Stewart, how would you manage if you had no house and no income? Would you be willing to be sacked for speaking out? I remain in the NHS trying to look after patients in my own specialist area while spreading the LS word – if I am sacked, they will have no care, nobody to investigate and treat them, and some will die – is that what you’re advocating? It’s not as simple as you suggest. If you’d like to volunteer to settle my mortgage for me then I would be able to speak louder – is that a sacrifice you’re prepared to make to help the cause? It would still mean my patients would receive no specialist care though, and I’m not willing to be responsible for their deaths.
And no, I won’t be having a covid vaccine. I never have the flu vaccine despite massive pressure, and have also managed to avoid the Hep B….

207452 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to RickH, #1306 of 1695 🔗

Bono you’re the most self-righteous on this site

206932 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Cecil B, -3, #1307 of 1695 🔗

Probably a best clapping opportunity is when some start to die from it…

206990 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Cecil B, #1308 of 1695 🔗

They didn’t speak out when the should have to call out the lies and nonsense about overrun hospitals. Now they will have to pay for their shameful silence. Good.

206767 Jonny S., replying to Jonny S., 34, #1309 of 1695 🔗

Saw this in Elland West Yorkshire, thinking of doing some myself. Anyone else got a printer and some cable ties?

206837 ▶▶ dommo, replying to Jonny S., 3, #1310 of 1695 🔗

excellent work! let’s get everyone on LDS doing this in their local area…

206897 ▶▶▶ Clareq, replying to dommo, 2, #1311 of 1695 🔗

Yes! Even if a few people see it before they are taken down!

206926 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to dommo, 4, #1312 of 1695 🔗

We’re going to post some of these around and we’ve done a ‘myths and facts’ sheet to leave around where we can. MW

206839 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Jonny S., 5, #1313 of 1695 🔗

Recovery rate 99.9 %

206928 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to calchas, -9, #1314 of 1695 🔗

Actually for “COVID” it is 100%…

206941 ▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Voz 0db, 3, #1315 of 1695 🔗

I think Off-Guardian BTL is probably more your crowd.

206956 ▶▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Tee Ell, -6, #1316 of 1695 🔗

I enjoy this crowd… low level is always FUN.

206873 ▶▶ Jenny, replying to Jonny S., 1, #1317 of 1695 🔗

Love this! Have family very near there!

206880 ▶▶ mari, replying to Jonny S., 2, #1318 of 1695 🔗

Bloody brilliant, lets get cracking…!

206894 ▶▶ Margaret, replying to Jonny S., 4, #1319 of 1695 🔗

Posted a photo on Friday of a similar poster that I saw in Staffordshire. It didn’t have those links on though.

206927 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Jonny S., -5, #1320 of 1695 🔗

You can update that to 100%, since no one died due to “COVID” till this day (Oct 25)!

206947 ▶▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Voz 0db, #1321 of 1695 🔗

Great idea

207000 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Stephanos, #1322 of 1695 🔗

Reality is indeed a great idea!

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207005 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Jonny S., 2, #1323 of 1695 🔗

great! I’ve suggested we all pin to our backs on our next KBF activity which is walking en masse through the shopping centre in Eastbourne unmasked playing music as seen in Berlin.

207042 ▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Jonny S., #1324 of 1695 🔗

just get posters and paste unless you live in the middle of nowhere .

207191 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jonny S., #1325 of 1695 🔗

That’s wonderful!

206770 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 8, #1326 of 1695 🔗

Today in Tier 2 London:

Today’s fake numbers:
Patients in hospital (23/10/2020): 674
Patients on ventilation (23/10/2020): 110
Deaths (23/10 – 17/10): 0 , 7, 10, 6, 6, 6, 2

Population: 9.3 millions

206795 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ceriain, 5, #1327 of 1695 🔗

Look at that drop in deaths. Tier 2 must be working already.

207053 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1328 of 1695 🔗

Yeah, I know. 😉

206807 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Ceriain, 12, #1329 of 1695 🔗

Today they have announced that they have opened a new Virus test center in Wellington, Somerset, I have tweeted to ask why? but I know the answer, it is just so they can fuel the tomfoolery which is what I guess they are also doing in London. It is really only these ridiculous ‘case’ numbers that are fueling this nonsense, however much they try to dress up the rest of the stats, as your figures for London show, they are really not supporting the hysteria, it is only the ‘cases’ that are doing that.
Even if you are a lock down enthusiast the case is now looking very threadbare and so you do wonder what is driving all this hogwash and tripe?

206833 ▶▶▶ mari, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #1330 of 1695 🔗

Control of the human population, for the cabal’s nefarious ends….

206836 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to mari, 2, #1331 of 1695 🔗

Not doing a good job of it as more people are waking up now

207069 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Steve Martindale, #1332 of 1695 🔗

Hi Steve. I purposely didn’t post the ‘case’ numbers simply because one of the trolls on here would just say, “But, but, but look at those ‘case’ numbers; in 2 or 3 weeks they will all show up in the death numbers.” We, of course, know that’s not true.

‘Case’ numbers shown below.

207072 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1333 of 1695 🔗

And even with that rise which, incidentally, is slower than anywhere else in the UK, it didn’t result in mass deaths, even allowing for the 2-3 week lag.

Hospitals and Deaths below.

206786 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 6, #1334 of 1695 🔗

This paper will be quite important to explain C-19 spread in different geographical areas and also explains spread in meat packing plants. Seeing the picture, perhaps a stupid idea of not letting it spread in the summer? It seems we are now in the awkward position in Europe in which the virus survives the longest time..
The effect of temperature and humidity on the stability of SARS-CoV-2 and other enveloped viruses
“We find that SARS-CoV-2 survives better at low temperatures and extreme relative humidities; median estimated virus half-life was more than 24 hours at 10 °C and 40 % RH, but approximately an hour and a half at 27 °C and 65 % RH.” https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EkiIgQjWkIMvWzT?format=jpg&name=medium
“What do I mean by “extreme” relative humidities (RH)? There’s a U-shaped pattern: the virus does well at low RH and high RH, and less well at intermediate RH .”See picture

206794 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to swedenborg, 6, #1335 of 1695 🔗

Yeah, this combined with the current numbers for Poland, Czech Republic etc. and this study ( https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m3588 ) paint a fairly worrying picture.

It’s like we’ve been saying – Sweden did the right thing… but it’s not a sweet victory knowing we were right about this, because people will suffer.

207047 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Tee Ell, 2, #1336 of 1695 🔗

Thanks for the BMJ link. This is a model scenario but I think many would be surprised that according to the scenario, the government chose to save ICU not being overrun but accepting that the price of saving NHS ICU was more deaths in the end. No wonder they are waiting for the cavalry in form of the vaccine to help them, when people realize they preferred more deaths than having NHS ICU capacity overrun.Quote from the BMJ article “Stronger interventions, however, are associated with suppression of the infection such that a second wave is observed once the interventions are lifted. For example, adding place closures to case isolation, household quarantine, and social distancing of over 70s substantially suppresses the infection during the intervention period compared with the same scenario without place closures. However, this suppression then leads to a second wave with a higher peak demand for ICU beds than during the intervention period, and total numbers of deaths that exceed those of the same scenario without place closures.”

206906 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to swedenborg, -3, #1337 of 1695 🔗

How do they know “”SARS-CoV-2″ survives better” if until today no one has demonstrated that RNA “SARS-CoV-2” is an infectious viral particle capable of causing a disease?!

206930 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Voz 0db, 2, #1338 of 1695 🔗

SARS-Cov 2 has been cultured and exists.The chart above explains some puzzling things,The virus survives in warmer temperature and better in high humidity.That can explain the severe outbreaks in Manaus in Amazon and also in Ecuador.

206936 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to swedenborg, -2, #1339 of 1695 🔗

Any references for those claims?

207057 ▶▶▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Voz 0db, #1340 of 1695 🔗


Korean isolation and culture of the virus

207248 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to swedenborg, #1341 of 1695 🔗

Nope. That’s just a bunch of morons playing with RT-PCR and other machines with cells lines from monkeys and tumors! Perfect for trying to “isolate” virus!

That paper DOES NOT DEMONSTRATE that RNA “SARS-CoV-2” is an infectious viral particle capable of causing a disease.

And the scoundrels know this… But they just want more money/income to continue playing.

They write:

The first SARS-CoV-2 was successfully isolated by inoculating human airway epithelial cells with bronchoalveolar-lavage fluid samples from a patient with pneumonia [16].

But that reference also fails to demonstrate what I’ve said above.

So, if that is all you got, don’t bother to waste my time with more crap!

(by the way, I’ve read all the garbage that exists out there!)

207186 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to swedenborg, #1342 of 1695 🔗

I think everyone except SAGE and Devious Sridhar knew that it was a bad idea not to let the virus spread among the healthy during summer.

207361 ▶▶ Helen, replying to swedenborg, #1343 of 1695 🔗

Why Most Clinical Research Is Not Useful

ConclusionOverall, not only are most research findings false, but, furthermore, most of the true findings are not useful. Medical interventions should and can result in huge human benefit. It makes no sense to perform clinical research without ensuring clinical utility. Reform and improvement are overdue.

Meta-research: Why research on research matters

AbstractMeta-research is the study of research itself: its methods, reporting, reproducibility, evaluation, and incentives. Given that science is the key driver of human progress, improving the efficiency of scientific investigation and yielding more credible and more useful research results can translate to major benefits. The research enterprise grows very fast. Both new opportunities for knowledge and innovation and new threats to validity and scientific integrity emerge . Old biases abound, and new ones continuously appear as novel disciplines emerge with different standards and challenges. Meta-research uses an interdisciplinary approach to study, promote, and defend robust science. Major disruptions are likely to happen in the way we pursue scientific investigation, and it is important to ensure that these disruptions are evidence based.

206799 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 5, #1344 of 1695 🔗

I see that numskull in Wales is not giving ground on the non-essential items in supermarkets.

206815 ▶▶ annie, replying to Tenchy, 7, #1345 of 1695 🔗

The Ass-embly is thinking about debating it. Maybe.


The petition against it now has over 60,000 signatures.

206828 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to annie, 4, #1346 of 1695 🔗


206854 ▶▶▶ Van Allen, replying to annie, 1, #1347 of 1695 🔗

Doesn’t nit picking over the detail signify you agree with the lockdown in principle?

206890 ▶▶▶▶ ColoradoGirl, replying to Van Allen, #1348 of 1695 🔗

As does complaining about hypocrisy.

207009 ▶▶▶▶ Judith Day, replying to Van Allen, #1349 of 1695 🔗

No, it starts people thinking about what is actually going on and the ludicrous inconsistencies.

206984 ▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to annie, #1350 of 1695 🔗

Can you post a link to the petition please. I’m sure there’s quite a few on here who would like to sign and boost the numbers a bit.

207083 ▶▶▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to DRW, #1352 of 1695 🔗

Fab. Thank you. 😊

206876 ▶▶ Will, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1353 of 1695 🔗

Good, the more they persist with such ludicrous rules, the more people begin to question them and some of the other restrictions. That idiots like the rapist’s father are too stupid to realise this is further undermining lockdown zealotry.

207116 ▶▶▶ Bill h, replying to Will, 1, #1354 of 1695 🔗

Yes, the crazy rules are beginning to activate the sheep. I imagine the the WEF will be rather annoyed. This could be the underlying motivation for the WHO coming out against Lockdowns. That the people will be more likely to see through the obvious nonsense.

207016 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Tenchy, 4, #1355 of 1695 🔗

A bunch of people in Wales should get together, mask themselves to avoid identification (!), walk separately into a supermarket, and tear off the coverings from the “non-essential” aisles (no looting or purchasing, just civil disobedience), then quickly get out before the staff get organised or the police are called. Safety in numbers to discourage the security staff from getting involved.

206804 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 14, #1356 of 1695 🔗

The thing Ferguson got right
 Periodic reminder of what Neil Ferguson got right: “The more successful a strategy is at temporary suppression, the larger the later epidemic is predicted to be in the absence of vaccination, due to lesser build-up of herd immunity.”

206843 ▶▶ Julian, replying to swedenborg, 5, #1357 of 1695 🔗

All the more reason to put most of the blame on the politicians for not doing even a basic set of logic tests on the various approaches.

206889 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Julian, 6, #1358 of 1695 🔗

Perhaps a good illustration is Czechia. They had in March few cases but a lockdown as all others.They now have a full blown epidemic with rising deaths.I don’t think their politicians understood that they had to pay twice for this new invented fashion frpm Chin(lockdown) first -5 % GDP for the first few cases and the inevitable deaths coming with autumn weather.

206902 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to swedenborg, 3, #1359 of 1695 🔗

Fear porn. Read/listen to Mike Yeadon. MW

206967 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 5, #1360 of 1695 🔗

I have read Yeadon and think he is correct in many things but not in denying that we have a seasonal wave now. He sometimes corrects himself accepting that there could be regional outbreaks. He is correct that mass testing is useless, many cases in hospitals are over counted as C-19 but there is a real increase in hospitalizations and ICU use although much less than in April. Sometimes his tone is a bit too shrill and humility is perhaps not in his character. He would be more effective and persuasive if he modulated his tone a bit. C-19 is now a seasonal endemic virus and occurring at the exact time in all European countries. But the hysterical, idiotic response from the governments must stop and we all agree that if  we had followed the flu pandemic plans from 2019 (all European gov.had them) we would be in a much better position and not ruined.

206994 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to swedenborg, 5, #1361 of 1695 🔗

I think Yeadon is also very personally angry with Vallance and his former employer generally. I understand the feeling.

207179 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to DRW, #1362 of 1695 🔗

I think he also understands the urgency of our situation.

207011 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to swedenborg, 7, #1363 of 1695 🔗

Where I would take issue is your use of the word ‘wave’. If this is a 2nd wave of CV19, my understanding is that it would be behaving unlike any other virus unless it’s really the flu in disguise in which case it must have mutated just as flu does. I guess that suppression can lead to further outbreaks but hardly any countries have managed this completely, not even New Zealand or Peru, despite draconian efforts. Every curve has shown the same pattern.

Of course respiratory illnesses are increasing in late October in Europe, and some result in hospitalisations. There is almost no hope of knowing for sure how many of these ‘cases’ are really Covid. Seasonal increases in respiratory infections are normal but talking about ‘waves’ risks buying in to the prevailing hysterical narrative which is being foisted on so many populations to justify lock-downs. Are bodies dropping on the streets in the Czech Republic yet?

I am sure you are right about the flu pandemic plan too and we have to ask why these were not followed and why these insane lockdowns, masks, testing the healthy and now ‘zero Covid’ policies are being pushed. Now we have the imminent threat of mandatory (in all but name) vaccines to look forward to.

Mike Yeadon may not be everyone’s ‘cup of tea’ but I do not agree that he should change his personality to suit the sensibilities of people who can’t cope with plain-talking. As a life-long advocate for some fairly unpopular causes, I have lost count of how many people try to put you down by patronisingly telling you to ‘moderate your tone’ if you want to get your message across.

The truth is, Vallance, Whitty and a host of other so-called experts in many countries are lying through their teeth and Yeadon is bravely calling them out. He feels passionately about this as he’s obviously an honest man and they are not.

Ferguson’s model is crap. You know it and Yeadon has every right to question why so many governments continue to follow it. This has been discussed, both above and endlessly in the past, and we all know it’s for political reasons. There is no other explanation and we should not be giving it the time of day. MW

207032 ▶▶▶▶ Draper233, replying to swedenborg, 3, #1364 of 1695 🔗

But isnt the “real increase in hospitalizations and ICU” very normal for this time of year?

The last I heard, it is nothing out of the ordinary compared to the 5 year average.

207195 ▶▶▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Draper233, #1365 of 1695 🔗

Yes that is correct. If there is no flu or not many other respiratory virus infections it is possible that it would be no excess deaths despite some being attributed to C-19.

206827 NickR, replying to NickR, 19, #1366 of 1695 🔗

I’m in Warwickshire. People keep telling me that the hospitals are overrun so I pulled up the NHS data. Amazingly stable for nearly a month.
Interesting that there have been various people resigning & whistle blowing from the TnT system saying that they lost their good people in the testing labs. I suspect the false positive rate has gone up since the universities went back. We’re seeing an endemic/seasonal increase not a pandemic.

206846 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to NickR, 15, #1367 of 1695 🔗

Indeed it does annoy me when we are told to protect the NHS and given horror stories about stressed out NHS staff. I have no doubt that some front line NHS staff are hard pressed but that it is not the fault of the disease ridden general public or this ‘terrible’ virus; it is clearly the fault of Matt Hancock and the top level NHS management who with a budget of £129 Billion and a staff of 1.3 Million cannot cope with the current 7000 or so patients in hospital with Covid!

206892 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #1368 of 1695 🔗

I suspect most of them are in a bad way from having read that they’ll be first in line for this vaccination. I suspected as much from the testing they are being given. Have a jab or lose your job. What a terrible choice. Some lovely lovely people I know or have known, the individuals one remembers. OMG.

207093 ▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Rosie, 1, #1369 of 1695 🔗

There’s also a capacity issue directly caused by the number who are ending up having to self isolate because they or a family member have symptoms or a positive tes.

207489 ▶▶▶▶▶ Felice, replying to matt, #1370 of 1695 🔗

And having self isolated for two weeks, then not get your procedure done because someone new is admitted to your ward and their test comes back +ve in the morning, when your operation is in the afternoon, so you get sent back home to self isolate for a further two weeks…
That is a true story, observed by one of my daughter’s colleagues last week on a cardiac ward.

207276 ▶▶▶ TJS123, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #1371 of 1695 🔗

The reason some of us are overworked is that we’re struggling to provide a good service to our patients for non covid conditions when we aren’t allowed suitable clinic rooms to see them, are told to space out appointments so we can’t see as many, and to use technology which the majority of patients can’t use or don’t have, and it’s impossible to safely clinically assess a patient by video. Communicating with masks on adds to the problem. Teaching other professionals about the condition I work with has stopped, as has all other education. We can’t have clinical meetings face to face to discuss shared patients. The quality of department meetings held by Skype etc is adversely affected. Everything is under par, and so depressing and disheartening and senior management appear oblivious to the harm that’s being caused. I could go on…

206840 mjr, replying to mjr, 16, #1372 of 1695 🔗

so C4 F1 highlights . Coultard and the other one talking – standing on a roof 2 metres apart both wearing masks .

So which doesn’t work? If masks work they don’t have to be 2 metres apart. If distancing works, they don’t have to wear masks .. and I could then understand what they are saying

Of course we know that both don’t work and they are just MSM virtue signalling tossers !!!

206842 ▶▶ Julian, replying to mjr, 16, #1373 of 1695 🔗

I can’t watch sport on TV any more. It has been ruined.

206853 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Julian, 5, #1374 of 1695 🔗

Prison entertainment – no interest

206878 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Julian, 4, #1375 of 1695 🔗

I’ve long considered sport just to be a distraction for the proles. British Empire were particularly good at deploying sport. No interest here whatsoever.

206898 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to leggy, #1376 of 1695 🔗

Communal cricket on religious lines was promoted in Bombay 100 years ago.

Hindus,Muslims, Parsees, Europeans

206970 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Julian, 2, #1377 of 1695 🔗

Same. It doubles up as propaganda for the new normal, persuading us that life can go on with all their sinister measures.

207146 ▶▶▶▶ TT, replying to stewart, 2, #1378 of 1695 🔗

Worst of all is seeing the new ads on tv or elsewhere showing people in masks, mentioning “keeping you and your loved ones safe”, new digital solutions that allow you to access services “from the comfort of your own home” as per the ‘new normal’, and many more produced by sycophant lemmings eager to capitalize on what they perceive as the latest popular trends. I feel nauseous at the mere thought that some disposable yuppie marketing p-o-s ithinks those are the selling points people want and expect at this point…

207171 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to TT, #1379 of 1695 🔗

No tv licence – no problem!

206987 ▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to Julian, 2, #1380 of 1695 🔗

Yes indeed! Watching a football match from an empty stadium right now, scintillating atmosphere!

206848 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to mjr, 3, #1381 of 1695 🔗

Did they “take the knee”?

207061 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1382 of 1695 🔗

of course they did and C4 announced it as “making a statement against hate of all kinds”. Just the drivers though, lined up on the starting line. Everyone else was getting the cars sorted in the background so they clearly didnt give a toss

206933 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to mjr, 2, #1383 of 1695 🔗

It’s a fun argument to make, but we won’t win any arguments by exposing flawed logic here, since the official stance is not that masks or distancing are 100% effective.

206844 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1384 of 1695 🔗

Probably already posted below, but not to worry:


I’m glad the NHS will be trialling it. I expect Wancock, Whitty and Vallance will also be close to the front of the queue.

206868 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1385 of 1695 🔗

Lucky, lucky them, chance to stick you life on the line testing an untested vaccine

There will be no compensation if it harms them, once again lucky, lucky them

206920 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Cecil B, -5, #1386 of 1695 🔗

You sound a bit angry!!!

206910 ▶▶ mari, replying to Tenchy, 6, #1387 of 1695 🔗

I can bet they’ll refuse it! I remember when Blair was asked by concerned parents whether his kids had the MMR vaccine, he refused to give any answer. He knew it was ‘dodgy’ and didn’t want his kids to have it. Wank/Whitty/ Vall wont touch it with a bargepole, I’ll wager.

206997 ▶▶▶ Judith Day, replying to mari, 2, #1388 of 1695 🔗

That was the one that was banned in Canada.

206914 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1389 of 1695 🔗

I don’t think there will be a vaccine in “a few weeks” anyway. It was supposed to be here in September.

206919 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to A. Contrarian, -1, #1390 of 1695 🔗

First THEY need to deploy the rest of the useful TOOLS to CONTROL the herd… Only then the miracle vaccine will be delivered (even if it’s just a saline solution)!

206937 ▶▶▶ mari, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #1391 of 1695 🔗

I dont think it will, either. The media has a long track record of whetting our appetites for the ‘imminen’t arrival of ‘miracle’ cure drugs., which never materialise.

207035 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to mari, 2, #1392 of 1695 🔗

A bit like “fusion power”, unlimited electricity just a couple of years away since the 1950’s.

206916 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Tenchy, -2, #1393 of 1695 🔗

I’m just waiting to see the numbers of deaths…

206945 ▶▶▶ mari, replying to Voz 0db, #1394 of 1695 🔗

I suspect that’ll be one helluva shitshow….wakey wakey!

206999 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to mari, 1, #1395 of 1695 🔗

The FUN part… All deaths will be “COVID” deaths… ZERO will be due to the vaccine!

206862 Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, 6, #1396 of 1695 🔗

It’s funny to observe modern moron slaves (mms) behaviour!

A few months ago a study was done to see what mms “thought” about this terrible “pandemic”!

In the UK the level of the mms is as expected.

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Clearly those 1,000 adults are top level morons! 7% of the UK population WAS DEAD in July due to COVID!

Really, super funny.

206872 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Voz 0db, 1, #1397 of 1695 🔗

Indeed, the know-nothing factor in the UK is very high. A majority voted Johnson/Tory, for instance. 🙂

206882 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to RickH, 5, #1398 of 1695 🔗

A worryingly significant minority voted for Corbyn, the majority of them are lockdown zealots and believe in a zero covid strategy.

206888 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Will, 8, #1399 of 1695 🔗

Black vs White

Womwn vs Men

Natives vs Foreigners

Labour vs Tory

Divide and Rule

206899 ▶▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to calchas, 5, #1400 of 1695 🔗

I have the utmost respect for Rick H and the politics that divide us actually serve to strengthen our sceptic arguments.

206911 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Will, #1401 of 1695 🔗

that’s great!

206940 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Will, 8, #1402 of 1695 🔗

Rick H is an intelligent and informed, experienced commenter who has a lot of sensible stuff to say about the issue. Unfortunately he persists in trying to pretend this problem is solely one stemming from the “Conservative” Party (and he even goes so far as to indulge fantasies about “far right” movers and shakers within the “Conservative” Party that he occasionally pretends are the supposed real driving forces behind the coronapanic nonsense in this country).

The only plausible conclusion is that he hopes to come out of this with the Labour Party gaining undeserved power from a defeat of the “Conservatives”, which would be a disaster almost as bad as the “Conservatives” not getting the comeuppance they deserve for being the decision makers.

The reality he admits when forced but tries to avoid mentioning whenever he can get away with it is that the Labour Party – both Corbynite and Blairite wings) is stuffed absolutely full of panicker zealots, including Corbyn and Starmer themselves, and would certainly have been no better and almost certainly worse than the “Conservatives” if they had been in office.

He should absolutely be pulled up on it each and every occasion he “forgets” to mention Labour complicity in the coronapanic [though this was not one of them, but rather one where he just made a gratuitous partisan dig at his political enemies – the appropriate response to which is a dig at his own partisan loyalty].

206958 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Mark, 8, #1403 of 1695 🔗

I will keep on reminding Rick H that the Labour Party have been complicit in this shambles, but we cannot get away from the simple fact that it is a Conservative government with a massive majority that has chosen to inflict this unscientific nonsense on the country and Rick H is perfectly entitled to highlight that.

206972 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Will, 6, #1404 of 1695 🔗

Of course he is, but so is anyone who sees him doing so without mentioning his own party’s role just as entitled to point that out to him. He has a tendency to get sanctimonious about people who criticise his own side for being “divisive” or “riding a hobby horse”, while doing the exact same whenever he feels like a bit of Tory-baiting.

I defer to no man in my contempt for and criticism of the government in this coronapanic. but it’s a problem within our entire political class, not one party. I don’t mind people riding hobby horses if they can back up their points with reasoned argument, but doing so while also criticising others for doing it invites having that hypocrisy pointed out.

206901 ▶▶▶▶▶ mari, replying to calchas, 1, #1405 of 1695 🔗

Maskers and refusniks

206900 ▶▶▶▶ mari, replying to Will, 3, #1406 of 1695 🔗

Just because Starmer is, don’t tar all of us Corbynites with the same brush

206960 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to mari, 5, #1407 of 1695 🔗

Corbyn himself is, as well. I’ve several times posted links here to Rick H “reminding” him of Jeremy Corbyn’s appalling coronapanic zealotry, such as his moronic description of herd immunity as “eugenics”, and his shrieking at the government for not locking down harder and faster back in March.

As it happens I prefer Corbyn to Starmer, even though I’m of the political right. I was never one of those who fell for the severe smearing that the man received, which was much the same as the kind of smearing dished out for decades to those with traditionalist or conservative opinions.

We all need to understand that the problem is with our political class almost in its entirety (including Corbyn), not with either of the nominally different main parties

207054 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bill h, replying to Mark, 8, #1408 of 1695 🔗

Look guys.

This transcends party politics .

We all need to let go of these. And get on with the vital work of resisting this insanity.

Time is short my friends.

207085 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Bill h, 3, #1409 of 1695 🔗

It is short, but Mark and Rick H will fight side by side to the last to defeat the coronapanic – of that I am convinced

206935 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to RickH, -2, #1410 of 1695 🔗

I focussed on the UK since this is mainly an UK audience! but the other herds are also top scale!

206964 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to RickH, #1411 of 1695 🔗


207096 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to RickH, 3, #1412 of 1695 🔗

You keep criticising others for hobby horses and yet you enthusiastically ride yours whenever the opportunity presents itself.

207298 ▶▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to matt, 1, #1413 of 1695 🔗

Rather rudely too.

207033 ▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to Voz 0db, 2, #1414 of 1695 🔗

Infection rate in UK per Michael Yeadon was 3 times at least the number with antibodies so 22% may actually be a pretty accurate guess. The death rate is right out, mind!

207238 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Yawnyaman, #1415 of 1695 🔗

Yawmoronman… We’ve ZERO “positive” amplifications!

207106 ▶▶ annie, replying to Voz 0db, #1416 of 1695 🔗

Most adults haven’t the faintest idea what a percentage means, anyway.
Try asking a representative sample what they understand by ( say) ‘50% extra free’.

206881 Cheezilla, #1417 of 1695 🔗

Care England’s CEO, Martin Green, gives some rather astonishing answers to JHB.


206885 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 10, #1418 of 1695 🔗

I finally got a response from an MP – and it wasn’t even my one.

I wrote this the other day…


to: andrew@rosindell.com
date: Oct 21, 2020, 2:12 PM
subject: Thank you

Hi Andrew,

Thank you so much for speaking out against this insanity.

I hope you can help put an end to this madness.

A million thanks,

-Concerned Citizen


And got this reply…


Dear Mr Beefheart,

Thank you very much for your message following the recent decision to remove me as the Prime Minister’s Trade Envoy to Tanzania.

It was an honour to serve in my role as a Trade Envoy representing my country and while I am sad to be leaving my post, I know that my first duty is always to my constituents in Romford.

It was on their behalf that I cast my vote in the House of Commons against more restrictions on our freedom.

I fear for our economy, jobs and everyone’s health and wellbeing if our only priority is the dealing with the virus.

We have to restore the balance and I will always act and vote for what I believe is right.

The British people have been through so much adversity in our long history and I have always believed that Britain is at its best when we ‘Keep Calm and Carry On’!

Thank you once again for getting in touch and for the kindness of your message.

With every good wish.

Yours sincerely



One of the good ones…

206924 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to captainbeefheart, 8, #1419 of 1695 🔗

I have frequently emailed Sir Desmond Swayne (he is not my MP) in support of what he is saying and doing. I usually get a reply, often just saying ‘Thanks DS’, but on one occasion he added ‘I’ll keep at it’.
Very encouraging.
I can’t quite make out my MP. I have written to him several times, sometimes quite bluntly, even rudely, and I often get a response. Sometimes, it is just the usual government σκύβαλα, a word used by Paul in his letter to the Philippians and translated as ‘dung’ in the AV. On one occasion I referred to him as a party apparatchik.
But at other times he has referred to ‘other Tory MPs who are also against new restrictions’ as though he were part of the ‘rebellion’. But he has NEVER voted against these vile laws.
So I don’t know.

206929 ▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Stephanos, 2, #1420 of 1695 🔗

Mine’s Nadine Dorries… 🙁

206957 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to captainbeefheart, 3, #1421 of 1695 🔗

Oh yes, the junior health minister who doesn’t know what the immune system does.

206976 ▶▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #1422 of 1695 🔗

Mine is Margaret Ferrier (the one who travelled from London to Glasgow by train after a positive test). I have thought about writing to her saying that now that she no longer has to toe the SNP party line how about standing up for those losing their jobs, those who are being deprived of health care for other conditions, those whose mental health is suffering due to lockdown etc. I know that the SNP is a cult though and I fear that she will still be too brainwashed to stand up and speak against the restrictions.

206959 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Stephanos, 1, #1423 of 1695 🔗

Oh Stephanos, I can read that Greek word, your lessons are already working!

207133 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to thinkaboutit, 1, #1424 of 1695 🔗

They do say the Greeks always had a word for it.
The Spanish have a good one too: energúmeno , meaning, more or less, an insensitive cretin, probably possessed by an evil spirit. It fits Boris, Wancock and Dripfeed exactly.
Is it of Greek origin?

207255 ▶▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to annie, #1425 of 1695 🔗

If it isn’t it ought to be.

206969 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #1426 of 1695 🔗
207257 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #1427 of 1695 🔗

But were they starving? I heard from a food bank helper that someone who uses her food bank every week sends all the food to her son, abroad.

206891 Cheezilla, 1, #1428 of 1695 🔗

“Out of touch hypocrites”

Carl Vernon:

206895 dommo, replying to dommo, 13, #1429 of 1695 🔗

what we really need to do is to get all news reports to be broadcast from outside parliament and then arrange for a loudmouthed idiot to constantly shout “STOP LOCKDOWN!” throughout each one – oh no, hang on a minute…

206954 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to dommo, 2, #1430 of 1695 🔗

Is he still available?

206896 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 25, #1431 of 1695 🔗

It’s a bereavement.

I am grief stricken

A much loved and cherished family member has gone, never to be seen again, no more smiles or smiles in return

The family member was my country and home

Nothing can bring it back

Brought down by tyrants and despots

206913 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Cecil B, #1432 of 1695 🔗

Don’t forget to vote for them (or others) in the next “democratic” election…

207092 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1433 of 1695 🔗

I feel the same

I was debating the future with a pro-lockdown ex-friend of mine and mentioned I was tempted to leave the country and find somewhere less mad. When I told him which country I was thinking of, his answer was “Ha ha”. We’ve not spoken since. He’s an ex-pat himself, nothing wrong with that, but one without any idea what it means to love your country. I don’t think it ever occurred to him someone could be upset by feeling pushed to do such a thing.

206915 Tee Ell, 3, #1434 of 1695 🔗

Apologies as this is rather off-topic, but I imagine people on here will feel the same as I do – I’d happily pay some tax to feed hungry children, but not if there’s any chance whatsoever that my money goes to funding Moonshot or sustaining ultra-rich people who are running failing businesses. So if anyone fancies donating: https://fareshare.org.uk/donate/

206918 Alethea, replying to Alethea, 54, #1435 of 1695 🔗

I feel like the last atheist in a culture overwhelmed by theocratic revolution.

Yesterday I was challenged on four separate occasions by the purity police, because I had not covered my mouth and nose with the state-mandated token of submission.

I used to be a Labour-voting, social-justice feminist. Nowadays I have most in common with my inner Charlton Heston.

I will comply with the mask law when they strap one of the filthy things over my cold, dead face.

206943 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Alethea, 15, #1436 of 1695 🔗

I feel like the last atheist in a culture overwhelmed by theocratic revolution.

That’s exactly what you are, of course. What we all are, here. The sheer speed of events is what is really astonishing, tbh.

206950 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Alethea, 6, #1437 of 1695 🔗

Go on. Release your inner Charlton Heston. Just be careful with the guns. 😉

206961 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Alethea, 5, #1438 of 1695 🔗


206962 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Alethea, 2, #1439 of 1695 🔗

Good for you and I know how that feels. I have always been ‘left-leaning’ and feminist (never Labour and never ‘woke’ though.) Whereabouts in the country did these idiots challenge you? Round here, in the High Peak, people leave us alone, well so far. MW

206975 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Alethea, 1, #1440 of 1695 🔗

More power to you.

206977 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to Alethea, 3, #1441 of 1695 🔗

Last sentence wins the day for me, thank you Alethea!

206988 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Eddie, 3, #1442 of 1695 🔗

Thank you all for responding. I appreciate it.

206992 ▶▶ richmond, replying to Alethea, 6, #1443 of 1695 🔗

More like the last Christian in an atheist world. This wouldn’t happen if the world leaders were Christians. This is what happens when Christianity recedes after hundreds of years and something quite different takes its place. As the post quoting Yeats was alluding to.

All the same, I know what you mean.

207008 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to richmond, 4, #1444 of 1695 🔗

Science has become the new mass religion.

207015 ▶▶▶▶ richmond, replying to DRW, 1, #1445 of 1695 🔗

You think they’re following the science?

207130 ▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to richmond, 1, #1446 of 1695 🔗

The Science (TM) alright. Actual science is critically endangered outside of a few countries.

207132 ▶▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to DRW, 2, #1447 of 1695 🔗

Science this is not! Science questions all the time. This is dogma. Don’t confuse computer modellers with scientists.

207135 ▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to peyrole, 2, #1448 of 1695 🔗

I meant as in The Science (TM).

207239 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to richmond, 1, #1449 of 1695 🔗

Holy Catholic Ireland was a wonderful model of enlightenment and freedom. Not. These so called ‘Christians’ systematically beat, buggered, fucked, raped and otherwise physically, psychologically and sexually abused hundreds of thousands.

206995 ▶▶ Draper233, replying to Alethea, 10, #1450 of 1695 🔗

I can relate.

I’ve opposed the US right to bear arms my entire life, and although I haven’t gone full 180, this year has been the first time i’ve understood the rationale .

207105 ▶▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to Draper233, 1, #1451 of 1695 🔗

I’ve always understand it for just this reason

207244 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Draper233, #1452 of 1695 🔗

Well done Draper. Better late than never. Though I’m fairly sure the rationale behind the 2nd Amendment is widely available. You can be excused for not agreeing with it, but not understanding it seems a tad dim to me. 🙂

The Yanks got it from us by the way, Bill of Rights, 1688.

207060 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Alethea, 2, #1453 of 1695 🔗

You Maniacs! You blew it up! Ah, damn you! God damn you all to hell!”

207103 ▶▶ annie, replying to Alethea, 2, #1454 of 1695 🔗

Same here.
Where was it you got hassled?

207114 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to annie, 5, #1455 of 1695 🔗

Yesterday, Manchester.
In recent weeks, Leeds, Redcar, Liverpool, Newcastle. In stations, shops and cafes. Last week, on my own university campus, thirty seconds before going in to teach a seminar. Every single time it feels like an assault. How did we come to this?

207148 ▶▶▶▶ richmond, replying to Alethea, 1, #1456 of 1695 🔗

Quote them the Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine at Oxford University. Specifically, their 29 September graph showing respiratory deaths for 2010-2020. No difference this year from the previous ten years.

Or say that you don’t want to collude with brain-damaging children by normalising masks. Quote Dr Margareta Griesz-Brisson (Bitchute).

If they reject those, they’re being irrational and you can sweep past them with disdain.

207173 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Alethea, 1, #1457 of 1695 🔗

There must be something about you that really gets under zombie skin.Maybe you should try to look less intelligent?
It does feel like an assault. I sympathise. I’ve only had it once – from our horrible rector – and once was enough.
You are a strong person. Don’t let these morons get to you.

BTW, I’ve been saying and singing Matins all alone, under the sky, for the last three weeks while the muzzled zombies worship the Covid God in the church. At least, they were worshipping him, but now they have been locked out of the church again, courtesy of the Welsh Politburo. So today the score is God 1 ( me), Covid nil.

206944 Rosie, replying to Rosie, 44, #1458 of 1695 🔗

I went to one of the demos in September and chatted to a lovely young lady, still in her 20s, a nurse/carehome person who came in her uniform (to show who she was, fearlessly despite the authorities) and spoke out about conditions to anyone who would listen. She’d come from Sheffield just for the march. She said she was tested every week, and that when it comes back positive they’ll make her take the vaccination which she will refuse and then she’ll lose her job.

I’ve been thinking about her again today, and other people came to mind who I’ve met who work in the NHS, some who I’ve met many times, some only once. A year ago I was in hospital and it was a very very scary experience, and the gentlest, kindest of nurses treated me and reassured me, and think of her as well today.

Being told that they will be first to be vaccinated.
They above all will know how dangerous this injection is.
I can’t stomach the thought of these lovely people vaccinated with God knows what, and it’s now just a month or two away.

I suppose, with the NHS basically closed down, the authorities are happy to downsize the staff numbers like this. They don’t need all those people.

I’d like to take issue with a number of posts here today which seem to me to be jeering or mocking the NHS staff. Sure anywhere there are a mixture of different people, and yet on the whole NHS staff are just the same as the rest of us. It’s not their fault that the organisation was raised to the status of a God. A few foolish videos should make no difference to our views of them as people.

The government’s psyops propaganda machine likes to depersonalise people, to make us, not into people but labels – once labelled to teach us envy and spite and hatred of one another. Same with public sector workers or civil servants. The strategy of envy and division is deliberate.

Lockdown Sceptics – don’t fall for it!

206952 ▶▶ mari, replying to Rosie, 9, #1459 of 1695 🔗

Divide and conquer has been the name of the game for aeons

206963 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to mari, 11, #1460 of 1695 🔗

Indeed, but we in Britain, at least of my generation, (early 60s) thought the idea – the ideal, goal and specific aim – was to live together peaceably, as in Great Britain and the various different areas were more romantic attachment and a representation of ‘home’ than political entities (NI the sad exception).
I didn’t realise that other people had other goals for us until Blair came along.

206968 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to Rosie, 7, #1461 of 1695 🔗

Great post Rosie. It’s all too easy to lay sweeping generalizations upon certain groups. Your wise words should be in the back of our minds always.

206981 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Eddie, 2, #1462 of 1695 🔗

Thanks Eddie

206971 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Rosie, 11, #1463 of 1695 🔗

I suffered an awful turn a few years back and was diagnosed with ulcerative colitis having had no prior issues. I was 34. I lost a lot of weight very quickly and I honestly felt I was close to the big one. The doctors and nurses were amazing and ill never forget the way some made an extra effort to talk with you while doing their work, it’s was very much a caring environment. I had surgery and have been tip top ever since. I owe them my life.

It is being ruined by top down agendas as we are seeing today. Its a beast of polticial entity as well as a social instituion and instead of focusing on care it becomes a football for the politicians. Look at the Tory leadership and their interests in medical industries and Pharma. They know its a money machine that can be exploited time and time again, and they will.

206980 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Rosie, 2, #1464 of 1695 🔗

Whatever we argue about, life will only get lonelier for all once the vaccine comes out. I expect jobs and education will be lost over it.

207013 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to DRW, 5, #1465 of 1695 🔗

I don’t think it will get lonelier, DRW. If anything it will bring more people to our cause. I know that you feel very isolated right now and I do too but ‘this too shall pass’. An LSer (sorry can’t remember who) working in healthcare posted earlier that they estimate 80% of their colleagues are sceptical. That gave me a lot more hope that momentum has and built and will continue to build. Others may disagree, but I think the battle is far from over.

207041 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #1466 of 1695 🔗

It’s not. But I can see the majority taking it, not out of zealotry but because they want this to end and fear of social ostracism (there will be another big round of propaganda about how right-wing anti-vax conpsiracy nuts are endangering everyone). Plus the ID will be mandated by employers and public venues.

207063 ▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to DRW, 3, #1467 of 1695 🔗

Maybe (certainly there will be full-on propagandising). But I still believe that the possibility of population-wide vaccination is a long way off. We can at least rely on the government to jeff up every project they embark on, so we probably have a fair bit of time to play with.

207124 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Charlie Blue, #1468 of 1695 🔗

More time to grow the desparation though.

207151 ▶▶▶▶ TJS123, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #1469 of 1695 🔗

That was me re 80% – I make a point of speaking to all the staff I meet at work, of all types and professions, and while a few are following the party line, I find that if I show or tell them some simple stats, let them know about adverse effects of lockdown etc, they’re willing to listen and have clearly never thought things through, or had any access to the information, and are amazed that there’s so much in the public domain.

206989 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Rosie, 2, #1470 of 1695 🔗

Good post. I sometimes get a bit angry at people I’ve never met, I should probably try and keep myself in check…

I love a good rant though..

206993 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to captainbeefheart, #1471 of 1695 🔗

Captain – it’s the difference between treating people as individual people, and if one has been rude to you then you can reply as you see fit – and lumping people together as labels. It’s a reasonably clear distinction most of the time.

207006 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #1472 of 1695 🔗

I understand. I’m guilty at ranting about civil servants based on a terrible experience at one workplace. Obviously that’s an unfair generalisation and disrespectful to some on here but I was/still am very, very angry and it’s easy to engage in a full on rant.

207023 ▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Rosie, #1473 of 1695 🔗

You’re right ,the idea of blaming ordinary nurses for government decisions is the hight of stupidity and anyone who wants to forward our movement should stop right now .

207075 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Rosie, 5, #1474 of 1695 🔗

You are, of course, completely right and so is . Edward Bernays, long before Tony Bliar, probably bears as much blame as anyone for developing the manipulation of public perception into a ‘science’ (he must have been Uncle Sigmund’s favourite nephew), but divide and rule is as old as the hills and similarly enduring. What you describe is immensely sad and the psychological assaults, usually deliberately opaque, from all directions and conveyed by a dysfunctional media are now quite intolerable. More than a dozen of my family have given their working lives to medicine in the last few generations, some before the NHS. My father was a Thomas’s doctor who took part in the medical relief of Belsen in April 1945 and went on to treat some of our national treasures – mostly now dead, he couldn’t prevent that for himself or anyone else! I am absolutely clear about one thing: the situation we find ourselves in could not possibly have occurred when his generation were practising, the medical profession simply wouldn’t have stood for it. The scent of corruption and deceit grows ever stronger, he would have been horrified beyond belief that we are now breaking all the well established rules for managing an epidemic, and those who know better are too terrified to speak out. These are dark days, civilisation is in peril.

207265 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Hieronimusb, #1475 of 1695 🔗

Powerful post, thank you.
Do watch this. https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=828046961299342&t=8

207102 ▶▶ annie, replying to Rosie, 4, #1476 of 1695 🔗

I think it’s the people who run the NHS that most of us have in our sights.

207104 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to annie, 1, #1477 of 1695 🔗

True, but the medical profession, like so many others, has been forced into prostitution, and now they’re coming for us.

207127 ▶▶ TJS123, replying to Rosie, 4, #1478 of 1695 🔗

Exactly Rosie, the majority of us are desperately trying to maintain the services for people with other medical problems – it won’t help those patients if we’re sacked for speaking out overtly. It has to be done more subtly from within. We won’t abandon our patients as that would cause them harm, and will continue to do our best for “everything else apart from covid”.

207199 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to TJS123, #1479 of 1695 🔗

If the whole 80% who are sceptical speak out, surely they can’t sack all of them can they?

207261 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to CGL, #1480 of 1695 🔗

We face an opposition with a huge amount of information, unlimited financial resources, unlimited propaganda power, and well-honed divide and rule techniques.
Thanks for all the responses – good night everyone

206966 NickR, replying to NickR, 9, #1481 of 1695 🔗

Now this is what I don’t get. A change in the status from Tier X to Tier Y needs at least a week to show any impact. How come these Northern cities agreed to accept more restrictive measures when positive test results were going down?

206974 ▶▶ calchas, replying to NickR, 11, #1482 of 1695 🔗

Apparently covid is so powerful such that it creates tears in the space-time comtinuum.

One positive effect of this is that measures taken against it can actually start to have an effect before they have been implemented.

206998 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to calchas, 2, #1483 of 1695 🔗

That is exactly what happened back in March and Whitty has admitted as much.

206983 ▶▶ DRW, replying to NickR, 7, #1484 of 1695 🔗

I suspect A- Cash bungs, and B- Ready-made success claim.

206986 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to NickR, 1, #1485 of 1695 🔗

It is not for you to get! It doesn’t matter the “science”…

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WHAT matters is to deploy as quickly as possible the NEW TOOLS to CONTROL the herd of modern moron slaves…

207029 ▶▶ bucky99, replying to NickR, 3, #1486 of 1695 🔗


207034 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to bucky99, 3, #1487 of 1695 🔗

and power (they think). MW

207079 ▶▶ bucky99, replying to NickR, 2, #1488 of 1695 🔗

This is the level of stupidity that can be bought…

207140 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to bucky99, #1489 of 1695 🔗

Egregious propaganda!

207139 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to NickR, #1490 of 1695 🔗

Tests or results being held back from the stats, to be used later?

206979 Basics, replying to Basics, 10, #1491 of 1695 🔗

Simon Dolan tweets

A question for all MP’s out there

Please reply to this if you will take the experimental vaccine that you are expecting to trial on the NHS staff

Let’s RT to get the word out to as many of them as possible.


206991 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Basics, 9, #1492 of 1695 🔗

Simon Dolan is doing a great job, but as someone said just now, things are moving so fast!
This is such a worry, the vaccination thing, it’s swift movement from ‘Conspiracy Theory’ territory to almost upon us – that we all need to up our pushback as fast and as much as we can.

207071 ▶▶▶ Draper233, replying to Rosie, 3, #1493 of 1695 🔗

The WEF must be turning the screw

207002 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Basics, 16, #1494 of 1695 🔗

Also on Simon’s twitter are a few NHS related tweets, one dialysis nurse bravely speaking out and this from another NHS nurse

“I am a nurse and I will not be used as a guinea pig for an unlicensed vaccine. I also believe that the NHS doesn’t need protecting. It’s whole ethos is the opposite it’s to protect, preserve and improve health. All lives not just COVID!!”

Perhaps I am conflating the twin issues of dangerous lockdown actions and vaccine dangers unfairly here but there is something to express.

It’s going to take a lot for me to feel a sense of sorrow for the previously silent NHS staff who have allowed tgemselves to be used. A fucking NHS Dpitfire flew the courty in salute and they said nothing. Now they are scared for their very own skins and they speak out.

The right thing for me to do is to support them. The right thing for them to do is apologise for being cowardly selfish bastards and allowing our country to be taken apart on a lie.

In the case of RNA vaccine that will alter the gene pool for humans as a species and so there is no alternative to unite against that.

Step forward NHS workers and speak out.

207048 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Basics, 13, #1495 of 1695 🔗

Yes, and the senior doctors and nurses need to shoulder this, not hide behind the junior staff. That’s the thing about being senior, you have to lead from the front. As Mike Yeadon, and others have said, time is indeed running out.

207162 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #1496 of 1695 🔗

Yes i agree entirely.

207003 2 pence, #1497 of 1695 🔗

An Historical Antecedent of Modern Guidelines for Community Pandemic Influenza Mitigation
Comparison of guidelines for community mitigation of pandemic influenza published in 1921 and 2007
Shortly after the 1918 influenza pandemic, the Paris-based Office internationale d’hygiène publique (OIHP), an international health organization established in 1907, published a report that included recommendations about community pandemic mitigation. This report appears to reflect contemporary conventional wisdom about influenza prevention and control, as expressed in many other public health documents from various nations (data not shown). In February 2007, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) released a comprehensive and well-articulated document outlining options and recommendations for community mitigation based on stratification of the severity of a potential influenza pandemic.6 The 2007 recommendations consider the 1918 pandemic, the most deadly in recorded history, as a “worst case scenario.”


207007 CapLlam, replying to CapLlam, 9, #1498 of 1695 🔗

So not sure if this is of any interest or not but someone on my social media had the flu jab 2 weeks ago and started with a tight chest , a slight cough this week and then lost their sense of smell and taste. They went and got tested and surprise surprise ……
Tested positive for covid!

Anyone else know of anything similar?

207014 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to CapLlam, 6, #1499 of 1695 🔗

Don’t worry… FLU vaccines ARE SAFE and will never cause a FALSE POSITIVE on the amplification machine!

207137 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Voz 0db, 4, #1500 of 1695 🔗

Hands, face, CASE!

207178 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to OKUK, #1501 of 1695 🔗

Very good
Mr CGL quite likes hands, face and bumpsidaisy.

207202 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to CGL, #1502 of 1695 🔗


207031 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to CapLlam, 5, #1503 of 1695 🔗

Well I’ve had it this year and haven’t had any ill effects. No reason why someone wouldn’t catch a respiratory virus at this time of year, of whatever sort – whether your friend actually had covid, or just a positive test is another matter. While I feel that we are all being manipulated outrageously at every turn I think coincidences are still everywhere. Pretty difficult to know if and when we might be jumping at shadows, though.

207050 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #1504 of 1695 🔗

If the flu jab contains coronaviruses, surely a PCR test will find fragments of coronavirus?

I still wonder how many people who caught covid early this year and had the bad effects, had a flu jab last winter, as opposed to those who just had mild symptoms.

207066 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1505 of 1695 🔗

why would the flu jab contain coronaviruses? Flu is not a coronavirus.

207136 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #1506 of 1695 🔗

Yes thanks. My oversight.

But then do apples and papayas contain coronaviruses?

207157 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #1507 of 1695 🔗

They do if they don’t wear a mask.

207039 ▶▶ JME, replying to CapLlam, 1, #1508 of 1695 🔗

It’s happened to me! Tested this morning so no result yet but lost taste & smell this morning about 10 days after the flu jab.

207067 ▶▶▶ Draper233, replying to JME, 14, #1509 of 1695 🔗

Not sure if i’ve got it.

My sense of smell is fine as the strong whiff of bullshit is still around, but I can’t seem to taste too much freedom.

207088 ▶▶▶ CapLlam, replying to JME, 2, #1510 of 1695 🔗

It’s interesting, I had my flu jab just under two weeks ago and I’m fine so far.
To be fair if my sense of taste or smell goes it’s more to do with the baby I’m cooking than anything else ! Haha

My parents had the jab then 2 weeks later my mum was pretty ill with it. she didn’t go and get a test though as she didn’t want to be locked away for 2 weeks

207123 ▶▶ jrsm, replying to CapLlam, 1, #1511 of 1695 🔗

My father actually had a pneumonia vaccine and became ill after that. Several days later he went to the hospital because the fever wouldn’t come down and he got a positive COVID test.

207012 Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 9, #1512 of 1695 🔗

This is interesting. Seems the government had been planning for lockdown through a marketing campaign long before it was announced. So assume it was just waiting for Ferguson’s death model to appear on the scene to give lockdown the green light:


207021 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 6, #1513 of 1695 🔗

FFS that’s £119m of our money