2020-10-27

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209241 Judy Watson, replying to Judy Watson, 20, #1 of 2468 🔗

Good morning everyone.

209246 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Judy Watson, 6, #2 of 2468 🔗

Good morning, Judy; I guess I’m 2nd today. 🙂

209284 ▶▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Ceriain, 12, #3 of 2468 🔗

Good morning
MANIFESTAZIONE TORINO 26 OTTOBRE 2020 Piazza Vittorio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMyRCWR6_F0

Italians fight back against Covid Tyran ny

209315 ▶▶▶▶ Rosser, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 6, #4 of 2468 🔗

Good to see they’re doing what it takes.

209766 ▶▶▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 4, #5 of 2468 🔗

It’s coming here, only a matter of time. Expected it sooner TBH but had too much faith in the supine British public.

210640 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mibi, replying to FlynnQuill, 1, #6 of 2468 🔗

It’s already here: https://youtu.be/NpVujSQec4A

209317 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Judy Watson, 19, #7 of 2468 🔗

Good morning from Wales, Judy. However, pleasantries have now been decreed inessential by our Great Leader, and soon I will have a visit from Stasi Cymru.

209356 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Mr Dee, 6, #8 of 2468 🔗

Oi you, Dee less of that cross border fraternisation.

210673 ▶▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to Mr Dee, 5, #9 of 2468 🔗

Maybe some of us should get together and come to the bridge by Chepstow to lob children’s clothes and tampons , books and other “inessentials” , over the Stasi’s heads for the prisoners of the Senedd.. I’m assuming that common sense and humanity are inessentials too, to judge by Drakeford. When, oh when, can we have the civil disobedience and the mass rejection of this idiocy?

209375 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Judy Watson, 1, #10 of 2468 🔗

Good morning!

209761 ▶▶ PWL, replying to Judy Watson, 4, #11 of 2468 🔗

Organise yourselves, defy lockdown, and deny access to the authorities who are looking to penalise.

Action to end the interminable unlawful lockdown

210333 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to PWL, 3, #12 of 2468 🔗

Delegitimising Parliament: why “we the people” must stop voting ( link )

But everyone who shouts “I’ll never vote Tory again” miss the point that it’s less than 12 months since they voted in this shit show. The option to withold your vote is a joke.
Also, I’m not sure how people on PAYE withold their taxes.

I suspect most sceptics are already quietly defying lockdown. The problem is perpetuated by those who assidulously comply – but their numbers are starting to diminish.

209792 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Judy Watson, #13 of 2468 🔗

Well done for being first!

210866 ▶▶ sam, replying to Judy Watson, 1, #14 of 2468 🔗

good morning. Food supply chain has been disrupted. Riots already started in Nigeria
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/corruption/the-reality-of-gates-schwabs-plan/

211302 ▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Judy Watson, 2, #15 of 2468 🔗

Every day gets more and more depressing
Sweden averaging 2-3 covid deaths day
Despite all the evidence politicians and their unelected and very well paid masters seem intent on destroying what’s left of the economy.
They want us to buy all our “non essential” goods from China via Amazon.

209251 D.S., replying to D.S., 21, #16 of 2468 🔗

May I please get some example replies here for how you deal with the logic of ‘lockdowns worked because millions would have died without them’?
I keep repeating to friends that the same up/down curve shape of fatalities/infections occurred everywhere regardless of measures taken and when lockdowns started. People are never going to be convinced otherwise – ‘we know they worked because millions didn’t die’
FFS that is best described in that Simpson’s episode where Lisa sells Homer a ‘tiger repelling rock’ – proof it works is lack of tigers.
Anyone else using some better replies? It’s pointless I know but maybe some people at least can be swayed, or may question their thinking (or what MSM tells them to think).

209256 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to D.S., 24, #17 of 2468 🔗

They are victims of superstition, which relies on exactly that “tiger-repelling rock” problem. I suppose history shows that the only effective cure for superstition is education. We have to keep banging on. I’ve been saying the graphs are all the same shape for six months now, no idea if it’s making any difference. It’s exhausting, though. I even cited Sweden to a friend and she just said “I don’t know how a society can do that to its old people” and that was the end of that conversation. WTF?

209259 ▶▶▶ D.S., replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 14, #18 of 2468 🔗

Thanks – it’s getting tiring though. Plus I got a reply from ‘what about Sweden’ once – the rebuttal was ‘Sweden did worse than Finland so that proves Sweden was wrong’. Even though Sweden compared to Sweden any other year was no different. Oops that requires context.

210680 ▶▶▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to D.S., 3, #19 of 2468 🔗

Of course, no non-sceptic can mention Sweden because their death rate etc is so much lower than here,. The number of inconvenient truths Johnson, Hancock et al ignore is infinite. Time to remove them and Whitless and Vallance. Even quoting the Hong Kong flu pandemic of 1967/8 (extrapolated deaths 96,000 – no lockdown, restrictions etc) can’t get through to them. They are blind, deaf, and stupidly obdurate

210799 ▶▶▶ Montag Smith, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #20 of 2468 🔗

Most people can’t think analytically, probabilistically or compare risks.

209268 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to D.S., 24, #21 of 2468 🔗

I think your missing the point. It’s a cult. You cannot make them accept reality

209620 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Cecil B, 9, #22 of 2468 🔗

We’re all trying to use facts but Cecil B is unfortunately correct Only try to influence if the person is already showing uncertainty. The others reply with contempt.

We’re facing is a mass movement now of mask wearers, a collective body in which self sacrifice + a big dose of make believe make it a no-win situation.

Families and friends are falling out over who is a believer and who is not.

Today on social media young people are calling out non-mask wearers as ‘whiny snowflakes ‘ who can’t put up with a small sacrifice of wearing a mask in order to kill the corona!!!!

209645 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Marialta, 3, #23 of 2468 🔗

Agreed, during polling door knockers ignore households known to vote one way or the other, they concentrate on the undecided or waverers.

210688 ▶▶▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to Marialta, 5, #24 of 2468 🔗

The real snowflakes are the ones who want to hide away until a vaccine is found(good luck with that one!) and are terrified of going out and living normally.

210730 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Marialta, 3, #25 of 2468 🔗

I’d pay good money to see one of them call Biker (for example) a snowflake to his face.

209285 ▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to D.S., 24, #26 of 2468 🔗

You could ask – where were the supermarket deaths in April?

209434 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 10, #27 of 2468 🔗

I always get radio silence when I point that out.

209736 ▶▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 10, #28 of 2468 🔗

Every time I use a supermarket I ask staff about how many of their colleagues have contracted it. The count is still zero after several months.

209750 ▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Pancho the Grey, 6, #29 of 2468 🔗

I did the same in Morrisons.. none

210694 ▶▶▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to Pancho the Grey, 1, #30 of 2468 🔗

Thanks for the idea. I shall try that one in Lidl when I next go.

209291 ▶▶ Cambridge N, replying to D.S., 3, #31 of 2468 🔗
209316 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to D.S., 9, #32 of 2468 🔗

Tens of thousands did die, as a direct consequence of the March lockdown. Everyone in favour of the March lockdown should read this report:

‘Via its Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC), the government in mid-March adopted a policy, executed by NHS England and NHS Improvement, that led to 25,000 patients, including those infected or possibly infected with COVID-19 who had not been tested, being discharged from hospital into care homes between 17 March and 15 April—exponentially increasing the risk of transmission to the very population most at risk of severe illness and death from the disease. With no access to testing, severe shortages of PPE, insufficient staff, and limited guidance, care homes were overwhelmed. Although care home deaths were not even being counted in daily official figures of COVID-19 deaths until 29 April, some 4,300 care home deaths were reported in a single fortnight during this period.’

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/files/2020-10/Care%20Homes%20Report.pdf ?

The report is correct. SARS CoV 2 is a common cold coronavirus lethal to the elderly and infirm, as all common cold coronaviruses are:

‘…. all patients infected with HCoV had some comorbidity, including a 46 year old diabetic patient who deceased. 20 Another study conducted in Southern Brazil with 755 patients hospitalized with SARI found 34 (4.5%) cases of HCoV infection, 24 of which had some comorbidity; of the three observed fatalities associated with HCoV infection, two were immunocompromised patients….’

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/jmv.26362

209334 ▶▶ matt, replying to D.S., 13, #33 of 2468 🔗

It’s always worth pointing out here that the idea lockdown saved any lives at all is unfalsifiable and so is a pretty lame argument, just in principle. But mostly, I point out “Sweden” – no lockdown, middling mortality rate and better than ours, things now back completely back to normal and “Peru” – ongoing, military-enforced lockdown, highest death rate in the world.

The only real response to that I’ve ever had was “I knew you were going to say Sweden”, but people will sometimes try to point out social and cultural differences between the UK and Sweden and cultural and economic differences between the UK and Peru, but you can then point out that multiple studies have shown no beneficial effect from lockdowns and not a single one has yet shown that they work. Social-economic and cultural differences might very well explain some of the differences between countries’ mortality rates, but there’s no evidence that lockdown contributed either way. And anyway, we’re more similar to Sweden than we are to Peru.

209384 ▶▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to matt, 5, #34 of 2468 🔗

I’ve had some success getting people to compare Brazil and Peru.

210396 ▶▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to PompeyJunglist, 4, #35 of 2468 🔗

Brazil is a great example as Bolsanaro was famously dismissive of Covid and restrictions were very patchy and locally enforced. Despite this it’s deathrate is pretty similar to that of much of South America and far better than Peru which had a severe lockdown. If lockdowns made much of a difference Brazil should be far worse than it’s neighbours.

209935 ▶▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to matt, 8, #36 of 2468 🔗

Having lived in Stockholm I am in a position to rebut many of the claims. Urban Sweden is virtually no different from urban Western societies anywhere. The Swedes are every bit as cosmopolitan as the rest of Europe. And they have serious problems with their immigrants just like the rest of Europe. A Swedish woman in a local cafe tells me she will not go back to visit her relatives because the nature of her home district has been changed out of all recognition, and she feels like a stranger there.

209351 ▶▶ Lili, replying to D.S., 22, #37 of 2468 🔗

Reading the replies below, from NN, DS and others, I’m afraid that you just have to accept that some people are a lost cause. Some folk have to cling to the idea that their fear is founded or – if they’re one of the righteous ‘rainbow in the window sort – that they haven’t been duped. They epitomise the saying ‘It’s easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled’.

Save your energy.

209369 ▶▶ Jon G, replying to D.S., 6, #38 of 2468 🔗

I guess we all have this problem from time to time. You need to have a better researched, better presented, more evidence based argument than theirs, which sounds easy but is actually quite difficult.

You have to really build a robust hypothesis (that projections on deaths were unrealistic), based in scientific reality and facts.

But the point is it’s just a hypothesis – because we can never actually know for certain what would’ve happened had we not locked down.

But if they’re making claims based on demonstrably floored modelling (know why it’s floored and there’s one of your facts) and using those claims to justify the deaths of thousands of people (more hard data that you should know), whereas you’re making predictions based on emerging actual data, then yours is the more reasonable position.

It’s easy to become rooted in anti lockdown ideology (eg lockdowns have no effect whatsoever – a position seemingly contradicted by the doctor interviewed above), but it’s better to just stay with facts. We don’t need to deviate into ideology because the facts so clearly support the position that the response to Covid has been and is a hysterical overreaction.

209385 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to D.S., 14, #39 of 2468 🔗

I slightly change the nature of the conversation to try to get their non-brainwashed thought patterns going. So I say that nothing has especially changed from a year ago. Then we had a range of cold and flu viruses, and now we still have a range of cold and flu viruses. So none of this [lockdown] needed to happen.
I’ve found that a person who believes in mask wearing is impossible to talk to. If it’s a stranger there’s no point in wasting any time. If it’s a friend/acquaintance then I try to maintain the friendship by talking about the weather/garden whatever.
The other line that sometimes works is to talk about cancer and suicide deaths because of lockdown.

209524 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to D.S., 9, #40 of 2468 🔗

If lockdown worked so well, then why do we need another one?

210699 ▶▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #41 of 2468 🔗

Because the politicians got such a thrill on getting us to obey their stupid diktats that it’s become an addictive drug for them and they can’t kick the habit.

209730 ▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to D.S., 3, #42 of 2468 🔗

Sweden

209747 ▶▶ RichT, replying to D.S., 4, #43 of 2468 🔗

Seems like sound logic to me. 🙂

210526 ▶▶▶ D.S., replying to RichT, 3, #44 of 2468 🔗

Thanks all for the replies. I had only one person (friend) open to hearing these – but he is a good political debater and took quite a few philosophy of logic courses. He accepts many points I made, but still most don’t have the bandwidth to take in anything sceptical against the narrative. Or, they just don’t want to hear it. Then again, was chatting with a complete stranger who simply said – ‘I haven’t looked at anything but once I look at the yearly figures for 2020, I doubt this year will be any different for deaths than any other year’

Here in Canada we don’t seem to have easy access to mortality stats compared to Sweden or other EU countries (example https://twitter.com/haraldofw?lang=en ), but so far 2020 is not different from any other average year.

209252 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #45 of 2468 🔗

Damn. And I’d just made such a brilliant comment on the old page.

209255 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #46 of 2468 🔗

Bring it over; I won’t tell. 😉

209257 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Ceriain, 11, #47 of 2468 🔗

Well, maybe not “brilliant” but it bears repeating. Some ghastly doom-mongering “expert” finished her shroudwave by saying “Winter is here” and I observed that anyone who cites Game of Bloody Thrones in relation to this forfeits the status of expert in anything except vacuity. Also, that apocalyptic winter everyone kept banging on about for seven years? Turned out all you needed to stop it was a sharpened piece of flint. An actual Stone Age weapon. Unfortunately non-patentable and therefore of no interest to pharmaceutical companies.

209294 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 14, #48 of 2468 🔗

Planting a few sharp pieces of flint in the right places would go a long way towards solving our problems.

209410 ▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to annie, 1, #49 of 2468 🔗

Very true! In fact, the more I think about this, the more I think it’s not citing Game of Thrones that’s the problem, it’s citing Game of Thrones while being an idiot.

209407 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #50 of 2468 🔗

Is citing Game of Thrones the new Godwin 😉

209260 ▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 8, #51 of 2468 🔗

That happens to me, too. I always seem to compose my best, most protracted and frankly marvellous comment at the wrong time, just as the page flips over into a new day…and it slides away into the mists of time…

209261 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to HelenaHancart, 4, #52 of 2468 🔗

Nothing wrong with reposting if the days page is early.

209381 ▶▶ CGL, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #53 of 2468 🔗

Yes – copy it over!! No one will see it otherwise.
(I did it yesterday in reply to a comment by Danny from the day before)

I’ve just had a quick look at the last few comments from yesterday and NickR asked me a question about Miryam Margolyes in reply to something I wrote about her – it would have been rude not to answer him just because the day has moved on, If I see him on later, I’ll point him at it.

209497 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to CGL, 2, #54 of 2468 🔗

Wasn’t NickR – it was RickH – they do sound alike a bit!

209254 ajb97b, replying to ajb97b, 7, #55 of 2468 🔗

THE LIE REVEALED BY GOVERNMENT’S OWN DATA

We are told that prevalence of SARS-CoV-2 is rising, causing people to become sick and need hospital treatment – so filling up the hospitals.

If true, one would expect a 2-4 week delay after the rise in PCR detected cases before hospital stats should rise, and then a further delay before deaths start increasing.

Well here’s the actual data for England…

All the curves rise simultaneously – proving that hospital admissions and deaths per se are not increasing, it is just that more of them are being labelled as COVID because the number of people with an irrelevant positive test ‘label’ on them is increasing.

209262 ▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to ajb97b, 5, #56 of 2468 🔗

Yeah, where ARE all these deaths they were predicting?Weren’t they going to be increasing exponentially around about now? Ahh, no of course, not! The enforced bloody lockdowns have saved us all!

209266 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to HelenaHancart, 7, #57 of 2468 🔗

Plymouth going down next as Creeping Lockdown creeps southwest.
No extra deaths, just ‘cases’.

209274 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to karenovirus, 2, #58 of 2468 🔗

Really? That’s totally unjustified, even on case numbers.

209296 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ceriain, 4, #59 of 2468 🔗

Local Live online (mirror group news) 26/10.
‘Tier 2 Risk For Plymouth:
High Risk Warning After Surge in Covid19 Cases.
Coronovirus cases have surged by 340 cases in a week and health bosses worry* Plymouth could move into tier two without a citywide effort to reduce contact with others.
Plymouth Director of Public Health Doctor Ruth Harrel is warning’ (repeat of above).

*salivate

209350 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJS123, replying to karenovirus, 4, #60 of 2468 🔗

The Live online pages in the south west are generally ridiculed by us locals though, for their over enthusiastic doom mongering and inaccurate reporting. Usually we’re promised massive snowstorms from October till April but now they have something else to dramatise.

209361 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to TJS123, #61 of 2468 🔗

I’m aware of that and that they load videos that have very little to do with the actual article.

209357 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to karenovirus, 9, #62 of 2468 🔗

Living outside the two main Devon cities, I have wondering how long before Plymouth and Exeter fall. The virus has never done much down here – it doesn’t like the sea and moorland air.

Again, how many of the ‘cases’ are among University students?

Our local MPs have been especially shit through all this.

209359 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to TJN, #63 of 2468 🔗

In Plymouth the cases are said to be evenly spread throughout the city which is surprising since I believe their University has more students than Exeter.

209366 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to karenovirus, 3, #64 of 2468 🔗

I often walk past the campus when I go into Plymouth, and it’s as if here is no one there – like the summer holidays. Haven’t been through Exeter recently.

Very high mask compliance whenever I’m in Plymouth, and in the surrounds. Clearly done a lot of good.

I would like to see the figures for Derriford Hospital covid admissions

209397 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Chestergal, replying to TJN, 2, #65 of 2468 🔗

“Very high mask compliance…….. done a lot of good” You do know you’re on Lockdown Sceptics comments Section?

209405 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Chestergal, 8, #66 of 2468 🔗

I think it was sarcasm

209830 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Chestergal, 1, #67 of 2468 🔗

Just think how bad it would have been if people hadn’t been wearing masks …

Alternatively, the reason we have so many ‘cases’ it because of reprobates like me who never wear a mask.

210713 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to TJN, #68 of 2468 🔗

Have fun on Hallowe’en – wear a really scary one. Alternatively, wear a Whitless or Johnson one and really terrify the children

210708 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to TJN, 1, #69 of 2468 🔗

Plymouth has had the heart ripped out of it by the incessant instructions all around the city. and the tape on the floors etc. They’re brainwashing us to death.

210896 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Anne Passman, 1, #70 of 2468 🔗

Yes, dreadful isn’t it. Luckily I don’t have to go in there much right now. Used to enjoy a coffee and walk around.

In may well be the end for the city centre, which even the Blitz didn’t manage.

210026 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to karenovirus, 1, #71 of 2468 🔗

‘cases’ = positive tests. About 90% false. MW

209322 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to karenovirus, 13, #72 of 2468 🔗

They’re obviously closing down Plymouth to shut down UK Column…

209325 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Mr Dee, 3, #73 of 2468 🔗

I would love to see them try.

209360 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Mr Dee, 7, #74 of 2468 🔗

I gather that city is the front line between UK Column and Common Purpose.

209526 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to HelenaHancart, 1, #75 of 2468 🔗

Earlier than now, about two to three weeks ago their exponential rise shoukd have been evident.

210509 ▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to HelenaHancart, #76 of 2468 🔗

They are increasing at approximately 5% per day equal to doubling every two weeks. A small exponential rate (0.05) tends to looks linear overs short timescales. In the above plot, deaths clearly lag cases.

209263 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to ajb97b, 4, #77 of 2468 🔗

I’ll bring over my reply to your post from yesterday, so people get to see it.

Nice! Look up Clare Craig on Twitter; she’s also outed that lie.

https://twitter.com/ClareCraigPath

209518 ▶▶ Basics, replying to ajb97b, 4, #78 of 2468 🔗

Are we five weeks on from the week prior to the graph to-the-moon? The following rise of deaths with a two to three week lag was predicted back then. Simply by laying the March graph onto the september calendar month.

All data feeds show the game is up. The lag has not produced beaths as they had hoped.

209764 ▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to ajb97b, 1, #79 of 2468 🔗

This seems fallacious to me. If positive test results are leading hospital admissions and deaths and all three are exponentials, then the time lead is the same as a constant multiplier. But your graph takes out any constant multiplier by contraining them all to pass through the same point near the top right-hand corner, namely 100% of current value. All this graph shows you is that the three curves are rising at a similar exponential rate over the time period plotted. It says nothing about time lead or lag.

210851 ▶▶▶ ajb97b, replying to Richard Pinch, 1, #80 of 2468 🔗

I understand you point, but disagree. case counts were flatlined – as were the other metrics. Then something happened to make case counts start increasing. Hospital admissions and death should have stayed at their flatline levels for 2-4 weeks after that, before they started increasing. Scaling them to the same 100% end pint would make the hospital stats and death curves rise more steeply than the case numbers.

This does not happen. All leave their own baselines at the same instant.

210867 ▶▶▶ ajb97b, replying to Richard Pinch, 1, #81 of 2468 🔗

The synchronicity of this is also apparent when one looks at rates of growth. All curves (% positive tests, hospital admissions and patients, and death rates) started off by increasing with a 2 week doubling time, which lasted for a while, but they have all subsequently slowed down – again virtually in unison. Recently the increase is more like a doubling rate of every 4-6 weeks.

Many other factors feed into this (e.g., nosocomial infections, age distributions, testing of people with and without symptoms, discarding test results for people that have already tested positive, sensitivity/specificity of Pillar 1 vs Pillar 2 tests, location of death) but the expected time delays that were VERY apparent in wave 1 are simply not there this time around. The only explanation I can come up with is that we’ve now got a big ‘casedemic’ effect obscuring the real state of affairs.

Very glad to further debate and hear your thoughts

210991 ▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to ajb97b, 1, #82 of 2468 🔗

Thanks for those responses. I’ve never paid much attention to positive test numbers, since of course they’re dependent on numbers of tests, which have been increasing. More interesting is the proportion of tests coming back positive, which was indeed pretty flat through August and started to rise in September, but these are skewed by the extent to which tests are being restricted to people who have symptoms. But I put most emphasis on the ONS figures, based on random sample. They show the proportion of the population as a whole infected as starting an upward trend at the end of August.

The hospitalisation figures are for patients admitted for all causes testing positive. So that includes people hospitalised because of Covid, plus a more-or-less random selection of the population admitted for other reasons but who also happen to test positive. So that should start to rise at the same time as the numbers infected.

211249 ▶▶▶▶▶ ajb97b, replying to Richard Pinch, 2, #83 of 2468 🔗

ONS data are for a very non-random slice of the population (volunteer survey households). The REACT dataset probably represent the best thing we have for a random sampling. Certainly the PHE and NHS data are distorted in many unknowable ways. But they do release total number of tests, so percent positivity changes with time can be calculated and tracked.

From discussions with people having access to some NHS Trust data, about 20% of hospital cases have any COVID symptoms. So as you say, and the chart confirms, this number would rise with case percentages. It is not a measure of COVID illness in hospitals.

Deaths numbers are critical… if we want to be sure that all the lockdowns, sacrifices and pain are tackling an actual problem. Unfortunately, they do not follow the other metrics with a delay, but rise in concert – so I fear they are just indicating any and all deaths of whatever cause amongst the set of people that happen to have tested positive recently.

Indeed, the lockdown induced bottleneck in viral diversity is known (by viral genome sequencing) to have caused the loss of many viral strains. The surviving strains that have grown back recently since would be expected to be more infectious and less fatal – and this is what the above data confirm. I.e., current IFR is far lower than it was back in March/April. This means we can probably afford to let the virus spread now, especially amongst the non-vulnerable.

Critically, the same bottlenecking and selection process will almost certainly happen if/when we apply a vaccine. I.e., it will suppress/eliminate certain strains, whilst resistant strains will grow through and not be vulnerable to the vaccine. This is a consequence of the new vaccine strategies being followed – whereas traditional vaccine approaches can be adapted year on year to target different strains (ala flu vaccine), even though this means they will never be very efficient

209258 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 18, #84 of 2468 🔗

Since Toby has brought up mad cow disease.
Last week BBC R4 included an item about a number of fatalities caused by cows.
I thought to mention it here as proof of

Long Mad Cow Disease

but decided it was both cruel and off topic.

209264 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to karenovirus, 12, #85 of 2468 🔗

To finish my observations from yesterday’s forum:

My first visit of many to NYC was in 2008, and even 7 years after the disaster incredible things were being unearthed in the wreckage. Like the hull of a Dutch 16th century ship that I managed to get a picture of under pressure from obese men in high-vis jackets. A picture I have subsequently lost due to data carelessness.

I went to the 9/11 Memorial museum within a few weeks of its opening. Rocked up late one evening, already a few beers into my session, no queues, no pre-booking. It was the most stunning exhibition I have ever visited, like a careful descent into hell. The room containing the portraits of the 3.000 that died was surrounded by the foundations of the original WTC construction concrete meeting the Manhattan bedrock. The centrepiece of this room of death was a grisly collection of the personal effects of the dead. Slightly warped, but not obliterated as their bodily remain were. Including a Sainsbury’s Reward Card (pre Nectar), which as a British visitor blew my fucking head off.

My last visit to NYC in 2019 encompassed my first visit to the new, and extraordinarily eerie, subterranean shopping and transport complex accessible via the Oculus. Which is ceremonially opened on every 9/11 anniversary.

9/11 was big. But 2020 is a thousand times bigger.

209412 ▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to karenovirus, 7, #86 of 2468 🔗

Those fatalities are not caused by cows. They are caused by arrogant townies who insist on asserting their ‘right’ to walk amongst them. The cows are doing what female mammals are programmed to do and protecting their young.

209627 ▶▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to Caroline Watson, 6, #87 of 2468 🔗

To be fair, it’s pretty disconcerting when you’re actually on a public footpath, heeding the country code, and then find it blocked by a gang of cows, giving you the evil eye!

209977 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to HelenaHancart, 4, #88 of 2468 🔗

Since the cows don’t know what is or isn’t a public footpath, I generally go off the path if there are cows with their calves!

209832 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Caroline Watson, 1, #89 of 2468 🔗

It was the BBC Caroline, I’ll rephrase it for them.
“People who were in fatalities with cows”.

209265 Andrea Salford, replying to Andrea Salford, 23, #90 of 2468 🔗

Both the Telegraph and Daily Mail are printing increasingly more sceptical articles; might we take heart and begin to see a surge towards the beginning of the end of the lockdown? By Christmas?

209269 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Andrea Salford, 11, #91 of 2468 🔗

I mentioned late yesterday that the Guardian was reporting (mon 26th Oct) a ‘worrying’ 22% of GB population believe that Covid deaths have been exaggerated.
I would say that 22% was gratifying or encouraging though it compares badly to 55% in Nigeria.

A similar % are reportedly sceptical about a vaccine.

The drama series Judge John Deed covers the machinations of big pharma introducing a novel vaccine. S5 episode 6 if you have an hour and a half to spare.

209276 ▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to karenovirus, 8, #92 of 2468 🔗

Would be great to see the ever rising number of sceptics reported alongside ‘cases’ etc.

209277 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to karenovirus, 12, #93 of 2468 🔗

The police in Nigeria actually shot people dead for breaking their lockdown. (Then presumably logged the deaths as caused by covid.) That would harden attitudes, I suspect, even in the UK.

209288 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 13, #94 of 2468 🔗

The zombies would cheer loudly, say the victims deserved what they got, and go back to clapping as suspected cases were loaded on to cattle trucks bound for quarantine hotels in Poland.

209318 ▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to annie, 8, #95 of 2468 🔗

Be careful, you’ll start giving them ideas. “Educational quarantine” sounds eerily like something SAGE would propose.

209394 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #96 of 2468 🔗

The signs are strong they are already doing this.

209393 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #97 of 2468 🔗

In the Philippines they shoot people in the hip for not wearing their mask correctly

209514 ▶▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Rosie, 6, #98 of 2468 🔗

Don’t give Johnson or Hancock ideas our Police would probably shoot themselves in the nuts by accident

209281 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Andrea Salford, 2, #99 of 2468 🔗

Great, they are just 9 months behind the curve

209306 ▶▶ Censored Dog, replying to Andrea Salford, 8, #100 of 2468 🔗

The Guardians front page, has the Tory MPs wanting an exit strategy as the main story

209520 ▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Censored Dog, 7, #101 of 2468 🔗

The Tory mps need to force a no confidence vote on Johnson and throw him out take Hancock Witty vallance also SAGE with him https://www.remove-the-tory-government.org

209313 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Andrea Salford, 24, #102 of 2468 🔗

I was sceptical, but you may be right. I just read the DT’s main story, headlined “Covid immunity may only last months, study finds” and found, to begin with, exactly what I expected: it’s an Imperial College study; it found that – to the surprise of absolutely no one, because it’s been reported and discussed incessantly all year – antibodies fall off after a few months. And I’m raging, firstly, “it’s immune memory that matters not the level of antibodies – what kind of idiot immune system would it be if it kept churning out antibodies for viruses not in the bloodstream” and secondly, “T CELLS YOU FACKERS”

And then, at the Telegraph’s usual snide, sneaky little hand-wringing spot that always comes about halfway through to undermine whoever they want to undermine, was this paragraph:

“However, the research did not examine the role played by other forms of immunity. Some scientists believe the part played by T-cells – a type of white blood cell that helps the immune system fight off viruses and is linked with prior infections by common colds – could be more crucial in fighting the virus.”

It then goes back full Ferguson, but maybe there are occasional chinks of light there somewhere.

209363 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 16, #103 of 2468 🔗

BBC main headline now and with the exact same structure. Are the crooks at ICL now writing the articles for the meeja? Just how rotten is ICL, if I was religious I would be expecting the antichrist to be in residence.

209386 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to TheBluePill, 22, #104 of 2468 🔗

even Talk Radio news featured this.

Talk Radio have a problem in that they outsource the half hourly news reports (i think its Sky news) which means that their news is the same shite that the rest of the MSM are told to put out.

Makes for very strange listening. 30 minutes of JHB saying covid is all bollocks followed by 2 minutes of sky news telling us we are all going to die

209505 ▶▶▶▶▶ davews, replying to mjr, 5, #105 of 2468 🔗

The weekend news bulletins are definitely Sky, they say so, but I thought during the week they were their own along with the half hourly ones. But I agree, the bulletins tend to follow the official line whereas many of the reporters are outright sceptical.

209389 ▶▶▶ Maccynic, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 20, #106 of 2468 🔗

And half way down the BBC article it states that antibody levels remained higher over time in care home workers…….. who are more constantly exposed. No shit.

Hiding under the bed, sorry, lockdowns, couldn’t possibly be counterproductive to our immunity surely?

209600 ▶▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Maccynic, 2, #107 of 2468 🔗

I was going to comment separately on this exact paragraph from the BBC but I will just add: So effectively it’s herd immunity at a macro level?

209401 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 20, #108 of 2468 🔗

Perhaps we should start a campaign to Defund Imperial then close them down – they have been the source of our misery and should Never Again be allowed to dictate policy.

209924 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #109 of 2468 🔗

They had another report from Imperial on the beeb this morning.
Apparently having had the Covid reduces your cognitive abilities.

210389 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to karenovirus, 4, #110 of 2468 🔗

Working at Imperial seems to entirely destroy your moral backbone.

210873 ▶▶▶▶▶ Montag Smith, replying to karenovirus, 1, #111 of 2468 🔗

Seems true of Johnson 😀

209422 ▶▶▶ Jenny, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #112 of 2468 🔗

I read the bbc version first – nothing there on t-cells of course!

209713 ▶▶▶▶ sceptickat, replying to Jenny, 3, #113 of 2468 🔗

I made an online complaint to the BBC this morning when I read that, saying it was factually incorrect and scaremongering. It won’t get me anywhere obviously, but made me feel better at the time!

209512 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #114 of 2468 🔗

Since this seems to be all over the headlines today, it got me wondering.

Antibodies don’t hang around for ever, we know that. You couldn’t have antibodies for everything your immune system had learned how to deal with kicking about in your blood stream, or you’d have no room for blood cells. It also seems pretty likely that antibodies, or a lack there of, is not necessarily a binary answer to whether or not you’re immune. So, thanks, ICL, but also “blah”.

However, it occurs to me that, if antibodies for SARS-CoV 2 decline unusually rapidly, might this suggest that your immune system doesn’t think the virus is all that much cop anyway? Interested in the thoughts of those here who are qualified to comment!

209560 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to matt, 18, #115 of 2468 🔗

My university Immunology course taught me that, as NorthumbriaNomad identifies, T cells play a major role in first line defences, giving the antibody producing cells time to catch up. Antibodies are chunky proteins that are expensive to produce so the body stops making them when the infection is over. However there are cells called Memory T Cells that will recognise the antigen next time it is encountered so that antibodies for future infections of the same type can be produced more quickly.
I did this 40 years ago, still know more that Hancock or Dorries. I know, it’s a low bar.

209609 ▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #116 of 2468 🔗

I also just “influenza antibody decline” and the second hit is this:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25066592/

So SARS-CoV2 behaves no differently to influenza in that regard.

209508 ▶▶ Adam, replying to Andrea Salford, 8, #117 of 2468 🔗

Stop complying it’s that simple I got asked in a super market where is my mask I told the goon do you want two front teeth for Christmas and walked out

209655 ▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to Andrea Salford, 7, #118 of 2468 🔗

It’s gonna take the MSM to change tactic to get through to the majority of people. But, bear in mind, the DM is one of most widely read online newspapers around the world, and for every hysterical article there seems to be another to balance that. The comments are definitely in the sceptic camp. There is a bit of hope (and I never thought I would say that about the Daily Mail!)

210624 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Andrea Salford, #119 of 2468 🔗

All the recent working blokes hereabouts, Merseyside are sceptics. We have had young fellers doing the drains, a maintenance bloke and today gas fitters , one of whom checks out Vernon Coleman and UK Column, I put him onto this site. No masks and fuck the distancing palaver!

209267 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 9, #120 of 2468 🔗

Is the pig dictator still trotting about?

209270 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, 3, #121 of 2468 🔗

🐷 who you calling a pig ? 🐽

209289 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 8, #122 of 2468 🔗

Yes, Cecil, you really must stop insulting pigs in this way. It ain’t right.

209392 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to annie, 9, #123 of 2468 🔗

too true.. remember what churchill said
“Dogs look up to you, cats look down on you. Give me a pig! He looks you in the eye and treats you as an equal.”

210090 ▶▶▶▶▶ TT, replying to mjr, 2, #124 of 2468 🔗

Pig heart valves are anatomically similar to those of humans and are used in transplant procedures – i.e. pigs save lives! The traitor dictator(s), on the other hand …

210397 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to annie, #125 of 2468 🔗

Pigs are very intelligent …

209416 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Cecil B, 1, #126 of 2468 🔗

oinking and rootling

209271 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 9, #127 of 2468 🔗

The lockdown s are saving us you ungrateful bastards

(gniekoj ylnO)

209273 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Cecil B, 8, #128 of 2468 🔗

Pedant alert: no ‘e’ in gniekoj.

Sorry, couldn’t resist. 😉 🙂

209280 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Ceriain, 17, #129 of 2468 🔗

Did I just kcuf that up?

Job as head of T&T awaits

209282 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Cecil B, 3, #130 of 2468 🔗

I thought that was Polish for “I’ve been kidnapped” for a moment

209272 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 43, #131 of 2468 🔗

Re. Toby’s item in the Round-up above about Whitty speaking to an audience:

Whitty is actually speaking at a No. 10 Press Conference on March 3rd, at which he said:

“Overall, probably around 1% of people who get this virus might end up dying based on the Chinese experience.

“To be clear that therefore means 99% of people will not.

“If a higher proportion than we are currently aware of, get the infection without any symptoms that mortality rate will go down.

“But let’s take 1% overall as the current reasonable figure. It goes up a bit in people who are older and more vulnerable. It will be much lower than that in younger people who have no other health problems.

“The bit of information we don’t know – the proportion of people who have no symptoms at all. And the second thing we cannot be sure of is what proportion of the population can get infected.

“It will not go above 80% – for planning purposes of course we go up to the highest rate that it reasonably could – but in my view the proportion of the population that get infected is likely to be lower than that and probably a lot lower.”

“There is a significant ramp up in the risk of people dying with this infection once they get over 80. It begins to take off a bit earlier than that.”

“Even for the highest risk group, the great majority of people will survive this.

“If you look at the Chinese data, if you take the very oldest people, the great majority survive.”

“If you’re talking about the low-risk groups, the rate of mortality is well below 1%.”

Lockdown not required, Chrissy boy!

209275 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Ceriain, 24, #132 of 2468 🔗

He was quite sensible before they got to him.

209445 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 38, #133 of 2468 🔗

This is why Yeadon is so angry.
He knows they are lying.

210414 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 8, #134 of 2468 🔗

Most of us know they are lying and are not just woefully incompetent. The ever so competent Yeadon carries some weight, but we need many more like him.

210451 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 5, #135 of 2468 🔗

Not just lying but destroying lives with their lies.

210876 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #136 of 2468 🔗

I would call it murder.

210872 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #137 of 2468 🔗

No doubt he had a phone call from Bill, who is a very generous funder of one of the institutions, where in theory Whitty still holds a position. Nice work if you can get it.

209278 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Ceriain, 8, #138 of 2468 🔗

Hoist by his own petard

209290 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Cecil B, 12, #139 of 2468 🔗

Unfortunately we were hoist with him.

209565 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Ceriain, 12, #140 of 2468 🔗

So he knew then it affected old people badly and still shovelled them back into care homes.

209279 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 11, #141 of 2468 🔗

Oh, excellent. Black Lives Matter has registered as a political party. None of this is ever going to go away, is it?

209297 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #142 of 2468 🔗

Let’s see how they get on in what is still supposed to be a secret ballot.

209324 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #143 of 2468 🔗

Takes votes from the Democrats. Surely only of benefit to the Republicans.

209333 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Mr Dee, 2, #144 of 2468 🔗

It’s UK but the Mail is reporting BLM have denied it.

210454 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to karenovirus, #145 of 2468 🔗

UK group separated from the US one.

209380 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #146 of 2468 🔗

Why would it when it’s working so well.

209419 ▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #147 of 2468 🔗

That makes those who belong to it constitutionally proscribed from belonging to the Labour Party. Will Labour expel them?!!

209283 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 77, #148 of 2468 🔗

“Saving Christmas” has become the latest thing that makes my blood boil. To hell with Christmas. It’s the culture, the economy, the entire civilised human future that need to be saved.

209286 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 39, #149 of 2468 🔗

Last Christmas, I gave you my heart,
But the very next day you gave it away;
This year, to save me from tears,
We’ll go to into fucking lockdown.

209307 ▶▶ Censored Dog, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 12, #150 of 2468 🔗

Its because the establishment has no real leverage for people to continue to obey lockdown after Xmas

209308 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 17, #151 of 2468 🔗

If it saves just one Christmas

209326 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 22, #152 of 2468 🔗

In the land of Narnia, as cursed by the White Witch, I seem to recall that it was, ‘Always winter but never Christmas’.

209436 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 17, #153 of 2468 🔗

They’re certainly dangling the carrot for all it’s worth to get the masses to comply. Be good little sheep or Christmas is cancelled.

209671 ▶▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 9, #154 of 2468 🔗

It’s utterly pathetic, isn’t it. But there’ll be people who will do everything big daddy government says, and who will snitch on those who don’t.

210460 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to HelenaHancart, 6, #155 of 2468 🔗

Yes, it’s the miserable git snitchers that will be the problem.

209884 ▶▶▶ DickieA, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 8, #156 of 2468 🔗

No way. If it saves just one life, then Christmas should be cancelled /S

210036 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to DickieA, 5, #157 of 2468 🔗

I Always say that Christmas spoils the Winter

209716 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 14, #158 of 2468 🔗

Christmas is going to be insufferable in this respect. A suggestion on the Next Door’ App goes like this: At midday on Christmas Day we should step out of our houses round here and ring a bell to celebrate!

Honest to God if that isn’t pathetic I don’t know what is. Lots of neighbours are loving it.

If the government told them to jump up and down and ring the bell at the same time they would probably ask ‘ How high?’

209914 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Marialta, 6, #159 of 2468 🔗

Encourage social distancing – Ring a bell, lepers!

210047 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Marialta, 3, #160 of 2468 🔗

Delete the app and turn the music up loud at Christmas! MW

210050 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Marialta, 6, #161 of 2468 🔗

Save the bell, Marialta, because in the new year us sceptics will be made to wear sack cloth and ashes, ring a bell and shout “unclean, unclean”

210104 ▶▶▶▶ TT, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #162 of 2468 🔗

Don’t forget midnight mass dedicated to the NHS via What’sApp …

209287 Censored Dog, replying to Censored Dog, 7, #163 of 2468 🔗

Brilliant round up today, Toby! I especially like the slightly altered Churchill speech, definitely the motivation I needed this morning.

209680 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Censored Dog, 2, #164 of 2468 🔗

But if we fail, then the whole world, including the United States, including all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark Age made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted science . Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duties,…

I included this extract of Churchill’s speech, pointing out examples of perverted science about C-19, in the letter to my MP in the forlorn hope that he might vote to get rid of the Coronavirus Act. The reply was cut and paste by an SS brigade intern. He did not sign the reply.

209292 annie, replying to annie, 18, #165 of 2468 🔗

Take comfort, friends, and stand tall. Hear this from Stacey Rudin’s piece:

“What do these anti-lockdowners gain by presenting their case to the public? Nothing material — a concept which is difficult for pro-lockdowners to understand. What they gain is security in the knowledge that they fought for truth, justice, and what is right, even to the point of risking everything. This is a privilege.”

It’s been said before actually:

11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.
14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.

Matthew 5.

209301 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, 4, #166 of 2468 🔗

It’s gone from my news feed now but there was a link to Wales online about a Police intervention at a church service in Swansea on Sunday. Service ended on ‘advice’, no fines issued.

209309 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 13, #167 of 2468 🔗

If there was a rag of decency in the Church in Wales, the police would have had to raid every church in the country.

What church was it that was attacked? I’d like to write them a letter of support.

209311 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, 1, #168 of 2468 🔗

That’s all I can remember Annie but it seemed to be a minor one (not BAME).

209323 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to karenovirus, 3, #169 of 2468 🔗

It was a church in Cardiff, it looked like an evangelical church. I think the report is in “Wales today”. The Police “graciously” allowed them 5 minutes of prayer.

209362 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cheshirecatslave, #170 of 2468 🔗

Thanks for that

209340 ▶▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to annie, 5, #171 of 2468 🔗

It was the New Hope Community Church in Cardiff.

209347 ▶▶▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #172 of 2468 🔗

Now renamed the No Hope Community Church.

210317 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ chris c, replying to PatrickF, 1, #173 of 2468 🔗

Jesus was a bit of a revolutionary. Most churches, not so much

209365 ▶▶▶ miahoneybee, replying to karenovirus, 6, #174 of 2468 🔗

I sawit too.disgusting.police telling worshippers to leave as they were breaking the rona rules. Funny they seem to have eyes everywhere???you could only ever find them in McDonalds at one time. Rarely would they show for a pis TV of crimes.. burglaries..car damage..ect ect unless it was a perceived thought or hate crime ..now they even know when a church service has more than 6 worshippers ( god forbid..no pun intended 😉 ) …I have always been suspicious …lockdowns = less people to observe more surveillance being fitted everywhere..for years we couldn’t get a bloody pothole in the road sorted now everywhere is cones..roadworks everywhere ( spot any workmen) ..why what’s really going on?councils paid for tier lockdowns? Is that to pay for surveillance/ chip entry to all current services/ leisure facilities to be fitted….its all highly suspicious..rant over .just saying..have a good day everyone 😄 😄

209538 ▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to miahoneybee, 2, #175 of 2468 🔗

Tell the 🐖 🚔 to go and swing

209937 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to mjr, #177 of 2468 🔗

Thank you, I only saw stills earlier.

209423 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to annie, 4, #178 of 2468 🔗

Thanks Annie! Am off to my university now to light a candle.

209293 annie, replying to annie, 35, #179 of 2468 🔗

A vox pop. from comments on the Sun article:

“Sorry to say but I will refuse next time I go shopping try wearing one while pushing a wheelchair and trying to shop my local supermarket lost a lot of money off me on Saturday as I left that quick to get outside I was overheating and was breathing more than usual it is not healthy it seems the cases have shot up since the introduction of face masks.”



209299 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, 9, #180 of 2468 🔗

Nice for the Sun to print a mask sceptic letter, shame the writing was not better.

209303 ▶▶▶ John Smith, replying to karenovirus, 11, #181 of 2468 🔗

You got the gist of it and that’s all that matters… surely?

209305 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to John Smith, 11, #182 of 2468 🔗

As Winston thinks in 1984, ‘if there is hope it lies in the proles (his word, not mine).There are so many more of them.

209892 ▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to annie, 3, #183 of 2468 🔗

…for we are many, and they are few.

209310 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to John Smith, 8, #184 of 2468 🔗

I can see a Sun letters editor deliberately publishing a poorly written sceptic letter to make a point about Sceptics while retaing a claim for balance.

209398 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to karenovirus, 5, #185 of 2468 🔗

Good point!! We’re all so thick aren’t we.
Been hearing that one for the last 5 years too. At least I’m not racist or xenophobic now too though. Small mercies.

210890 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to John Smith, #186 of 2468 🔗

Yes indeed, we don’t need the grammar police as well as the Covid-Stasi.

209295 Cambridge N, 2, #187 of 2468 🔗

‘Social credit’ and cashless society……. https://www.facebook.com/madebyjimbob/photos/1617154801798688

209298 Gillian, replying to Gillian, 4, #188 of 2468 🔗

Sorry if already posted but this article is hilarious. You will laugh aloud, I promise.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8882479/RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN-Step-away-deep-pan-pepperoni-pizza-youre-nicked.html

209300 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Gillian, 4, #189 of 2468 🔗

I read it laughed earlier, waiting for readers comments to mount up.

209304 ▶▶ annie, replying to Gillian, 11, #190 of 2468 🔗

And he’s handed us yet another apt description of Dripfeed: a ‘ two-bob Welsh Erich Honecker wannabe running an overblown parish council in Cardiff’.

Spot on. Thanks for linking, Gillian!

209428 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to annie, 1, #191 of 2468 🔗

Leave Honecker alone

209490 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Gillian, 2, #192 of 2468 🔗

How can anyone have any respect for the police when they act so stupidly? I am seriously concerned about the intelligence levels of those in the Establishment.

209302 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 11, #193 of 2468 🔗

‘What happened between 13th and 14th March?’ Professor O’Neill asks, to cause the government to change its policy to one of lockdown?

I suggest that it is pretty clear what happened.

The British government was bullied into changing its policy by the eu, using Macron as its enforcer

Tues 17th March

‘The European Commission is planning to ban all non-essential travel to the European Union after more countries within the bloc closed their borders to try to limit the spread of coronavirus.’ (BBC)

The British Government would have been informed a day or so prior to this announcement, so likely Friday the previous week. The date on that Friday? 13 March.

‘“We had prepared the closure of our border and told Prime Minister Johnson we would implement it that day if there was no evolution [of British measures],” a senior French official’

‘French Prime Minister Edouard Philippe said that evening that for the travel ban to work, all countries within the EU should adopt “coherent” methods.

“Italy, France, Spain, perhaps other countries will do the same soon, chose confinement, it goes without saying that if states, namely neighboring countries like the United Kingdom continue for much longer without such measures, then it’ll be difficult for us to allow entry to British citizens,” Philippe said.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/22/france-border-coronavirus-uk-141402

209364 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Tim Bidie, 8, #194 of 2468 🔗

Boris made a speech on March 13 saying ‘love ones will die’
If he didn’t know we were going into lockdown by that day it is the most irresponsible speech by a British Prime minister ever.

209725 ▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 4, #195 of 2468 🔗

Johnson is a despicable piece of shit get him out of office now

209387 ▶▶ tinxx, replying to Tim Bidie, 2, #196 of 2468 🔗

It may simply be that the WHO’s decision to declare it a global Pandemic the same day triggered a collective shift in the narrative.

209602 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to tinxx, 3, #197 of 2468 🔗

Looks like a fair bit of international choreography, mainly by democratically unaccountable (potentially partial due to funding sources, political pressure) entities.

That is why an independent public inquiry is so important, and why all governments are putting off the day that they are held to account.

The longer they leave it, the worse the effects on their electoral futures and maybe, for some, so much else…….

209974 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to tinxx, 2, #198 of 2468 🔗

Having previously downgraded the seriousness that choice of words indicated.

209312 annie, 11, #199 of 2468 🔗

Petition against Mad Drivelford’s items ban now nearing 67,000 signatures. A test case, I think- and, I hope, a positive one.

209314 Albie, replying to Albie, 8, #200 of 2468 🔗

Anyone any idea what the BBC’s little game is, a Panorama that doesn’t tie with the lockdown zealotry it has been vomiting out for the past 7 months. There must be an angle, they must be playing a long game that ties in with some BBC wished for year long lockdown or something. They haven’t suddenly realised lockdowns cause more harm than benefits. They’re up to something.

209320 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Albie, 13, #201 of 2468 🔗

Covering their backs for when it all implodes.

209335 ▶▶▶ Al Pipp, replying to karenovirus, 3, #202 of 2468 🔗

Well said. The other choice would be for gov to say – we overreacted sorry.

209330 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Albie, 5, #203 of 2468 🔗

They are essentially being blackmailed by the government. Be too critical and lose the license fee or have scum like Gideon Osborne installed as Chair.

209367 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to chaos, 8, #204 of 2468 🔗

I’m hearing people who now say they don’t know anybody who still listens to the BBC. When are the next JACTAR (?) viewing figures out ?

BBC has become the embodiment of Lord Haw Haw.

209379 ▶▶▶▶ Gillian, replying to karenovirus, 4, #205 of 2468 🔗

I hope the top brass at the BBC all receive the same punishment as Lord Haw Haw.

210331 ▶▶▶▶ chris c, replying to karenovirus, 1, #206 of 2468 🔗

Funny, I was just thinking the same.

Also “This is Funf speaking . . .”

209319 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #207 of 2468 🔗

Victoria Derbyshire:”I DO love big BROTHER/BORIS”

209329 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Fingerache Philip., 5, #208 of 2468 🔗

When was the last time you saw the useless lying twat with Carrie? She doesn’t.

209353 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to chaos, 8, #209 of 2468 🔗

If rumours are to be believed she has moved out as he can’t keep his flies done up.

209373 ▶▶▶▶ Recusant, replying to Will, 4, #210 of 2468 🔗

She could hardly be surprised, could she?

209328 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 53, #211 of 2468 🔗

I think, today, next to the collection box for the Royal British Legion, I am going to place the ‘He Fought for You’ graphic that Mabel Cow posted here a few weeks ago (thanks MC).

I was thinking, perhaps I shouldn’t, after all people go out for a coffee to get away from all this. But then I thought, hang on, despite us treating people as human beings, how many people have offended me by flinching, as though I am a diseased piece of filth; how many people have squirted the evil gloop near to me, despite reading our polite sign asking them not to; how many people have ostentatiously donned gloves to use our card machine and how many people think it’s all a load of crap, yet go along with the mask rubbish, thus perpetuating this bloody nightmare for us all. But most of all it’s for the snitches* who have gleefully dobbed us into the EHO, not for any significant breach, but for our ‘crime’ of not believing. I’m pretty sure my grandfather didn’t fight in a world war for his country to be turned into what it has.

(*I am pretty sure I know who one of them was – yes you, the snivelly, little toe-rag councillor with your effing paisley patterned mask; with your oh so right-on copy of the Guardian sticking out of your wicker basket for all to see. And, isn’t it odd, since the stasi visited, we have not seen you in our shop, you nasty little piece of work).

209331 ▶▶ Chris John, replying to kh1485, 9, #212 of 2468 🔗

Ban all politicians

209403 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to kh1485, 11, #213 of 2468 🔗

I think we need to stop being polite and start speaking out strongly/using strong graphics. This is not a time for ‘you have your opinion and I have mine’.
But I guess you could try putting out the poster and see what responses you get.

209432 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Rosie, 5, #214 of 2468 🔗

It’s a cult. You can shout at them as much as you like, it will make no difference

210858 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Cecil B, 3, #215 of 2468 🔗

Yes you are probably right, but it’s very hard not to.

210856 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Rosie, 5, #216 of 2468 🔗

Today walking the dog I met a chap in the local park, who I have seen many times before, but never to speak to. It was raining hard and the park was nearly empty, but he was nevertheless masked up. As we passed he nodded and grunted a muffled hello. It took a great deal of willpower for me not to have a verbal go at him, but I resisted, nodded back and walked on quickly. Hopefully I will be as civil next time around, but I can’t be too sure about that.

209413 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 7, #217 of 2468 🔗

You should also leave copies of James Delingpod’s recent article about muzzles – perhaps that should wake some people up.

209438 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to kh1485, 7, #218 of 2468 🔗

A ‘Wanted for crimes against humanity’ poster in your window?

If you could please forward her name to me I will add her to the list

209499 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Cecil B, 4, #219 of 2468 🔗

Oh no, Cecil B, not a ‘her’, snivelling little twat is a ‘he’. Not sure of his name … but he is on the local council.

210613 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to kh1485, 2, #220 of 2468 🔗

In a paisley face nappy?!!!

209878 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to kh1485, 5, #221 of 2468 🔗

Ban him. For ever, and preferably with fire.

210030 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to kh1485, 10, #222 of 2468 🔗

You know, K, that when this is all (hopefully) over, we’re all coming round to yours for a party. All members, from all countries, are coming to your kaff. Germans, French, Swedes, and members from the USA; they’re all coming. From Lisa in Toronto, and her Canadian cousins, to Girl Down Under, who will have been freed from Gulag Australia.

Paaaaarty!

210415 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Ceriain, 7, #223 of 2468 🔗

Oh Ceriain, that sounds brilliant. Already met a few readers and one contributor to this site. It’s so nice to know we are not alone.

211261 ▶▶▶▶ Carlo, replying to kh1485, #224 of 2468 🔗

Did you go to any of the marches/events??

210499 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Ceriain, 3, #225 of 2468 🔗

Bloody brilliant idea!!
We’ll all have to wear a sticker (or a lanyard!) with our usernames so we can ‘recognise’ eachother.

209332 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 13, #226 of 2468 🔗

The Behavioural Insights Team ( BIT ) is a social purpose company that is jointly owned by the UK Government , Nesta (the innovation charity) and BIT’s employees. … BIT tries to improve policies and public services by drawing on ideas from behavioural science. Also known as Nudge.

209377 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Dan Clarke, 5, #227 of 2468 🔗

Toby had a piece on it yesterday ‘how the MEAN psychologists got us to comply”
In the roundup I think.

209390 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to karenovirus, 3, #228 of 2468 🔗

Thanks, missed that, will have a read. Interesting how they got so many to comply, the rest of us were able to see through it.

210617 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ceriain, 1, #230 of 2468 🔗

Anyone who thinks this fiasco is merely due to incompetence really hasn’t been paying attention!

209336 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 11, #231 of 2468 🔗

It was good to read the Churchill quote as revised Which has been going through my mind in recent days. Surely if 1600 young men in Spitfires and Hurricanes could deal with the Nazi threat, then some of us old folk could effect a similar victory? ‘We shall never surrender’.

209352 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Basileus, 3, #232 of 2468 🔗

AGREED, and I’m the political opposite to everything that Churchill stood for.

210616 ▶▶ ChrisDinBristol, replying to Basileus, 1, #233 of 2468 🔗

Proud to say that my Dad was one of them. I dread to think what he’d make of all this – “little hitlers” were one of his major bugbears. . . now they’re in charge.

209338 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 66, #234 of 2468 🔗

No. Young people’s job prospects are not being damaged by the CV pandemic. They’re being damaged by the Government.

209345 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to PatrickF, 34, #235 of 2468 🔗

This is one of my main worries. People will see and acknowledge the damage surrounding them, but will consider it unavoidable because it was ‘caused by the virus’, not the response to it.

I wonder whether quite a few people are aware that it’s the lockdowns which cause damage but don’t want to acknowledge that conclusion because it’s just too painful to know that all their sacrifice and destruction was for nought.

209409 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Poppy, 12, #236 of 2468 🔗

People will see and acknowledge the damage surrounding them, but will consider it unavoidable because it was ‘caused by the virus’, not the response to it.
I always but in and correct people on this point. It’s really important and does help to open their eyes.

209371 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to PatrickF, 19, #237 of 2468 🔗

To be honest, that lets the real culprits off the hook. The government are being driven by the people. It is middle-aged people of our society who are are doing this. Look at Maureen in Barnsley or Norman Tebbit in the Telegraph, they are in their 80s and they can’t bear what is being done to the young. It’s us (I was born in the 70s) doing this. We have to stop it, now.

209388 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Recusant, 18, #238 of 2468 🔗

My impression is that views vary across all age groups. I was born in the 70s too- this isn’t being done in your name or mine! It is the Government’s actions that mean that employers are unable to provide employment and that university staff don’t offer students a decent education. Yes, some people are scared and selfish in their decisions, but they were told to be terrified by the media and politicians.

209426 ▶▶▶▶ Recusant, replying to Charlie Blue, 7, #239 of 2468 🔗

Is it your experience that the university staff are demanding that the government let them teach the young people? Do you see many middle aged people complaining that we are listening to Professor Ferguson too much? Do you see mayors of northern towns demanding to let their people go about their business? I don’t, all I see is people arguing for free money for everyone, preferably forever. Face it, the people are the problem and the government are following. This one is on us.

209440 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Recusant, 13, #240 of 2468 🔗

Absolute rubbish.The government terrorised the people through the press and media on the advice of SPI-B so they could lick us down.
Fake opinion polls used to justify continued lockdowns.
These terrified sheep you see are trauma victims of their own government.
Those clamouring for money are the usual left wing politicians who see money as the answer for everything.

209448 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Recusant, replying to Jonathan Palmer, -1, #241 of 2468 🔗

People terrorised themselves. Think back to January and February, covid spread on social media before it got to Europe. People chose to terrorise themselves long before the government even noticed.

209465 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Recusant, 10, #242 of 2468 🔗

I’m remember bat soup memes etc.I didn’t see much terror.Even the videos of people dropping down dead didn’t cause much fear.
It was only when lockdown started in Italy did the screw turn because the government realised lockdowns were an option and they built up a crescendo using the media to get us to the point where we were almost begging for lockdown.
Who is to blame the Liar or the one who believes the lie?

209492 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Recusant, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 4, #243 of 2468 🔗

Well, Maureen from Barnsley doesn’t believe the lie, so it doesn’t take any expertise. If you look at the percentage of people who self-isolate for 14 days when they are supposed to, most people don’t believe the lie enough to think that lockdown applies to them. They just believe it to the extent that they want to lockdown other people. So, my sympathy is limited for those believing the lie.

209527 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Recusant, 8, #244 of 2468 🔗

There is no excuse now for continuing to believe the government propaganda ,my point is that during the lockdown the government was able to beam fear porn directly into homes and people cut off from friends family and work colleagues were more susceptible.

209540 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 3, #245 of 2468 🔗

Much easier when everybody is isolated from everyone else.

209987 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #246 of 2468 🔗

Happily I was and remain isolated from BBC TV.

210430 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Recusant, 1, #247 of 2468 🔗

Maybe she and her husband aren’t experts but she was up to speed and has good old style common sense, sadly lacking elsewhere,

210632 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to David Grimbleby, 2, #248 of 2468 🔗

They’re a very astute couple. She was a local politician and no doubt knows all the tricks.

210379 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 3, #249 of 2468 🔗

Of course, it is the liar and we know who the liars are.

210375 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Recusant, 6, #250 of 2468 🔗

You’re floundering around on this one. Opinions vary across all age groups, but no matter what, the government has to shoulder the whole of the blame. It is Johnson and Hancock who have turned the UK into an Orwellian nightmare, rather than tackle Covid-19, whatever it really is, in an adult fashion like Sweden. It is not the stupid frightened masses who are to blame, not withstanding that their slavish compliance is now a very major problem for all of us.

210626 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Recusant, 3, #251 of 2468 🔗

The government were fully aware in January – bunged a load of propaganda cash at the press. You think the Covid Act was drawn up overnight?

209537 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 5, #252 of 2468 🔗

I don’t know which gives me the shivers more: having the government terrorise the population, or having the government lick me down.

[All right, slightly frivolous…]

210346 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ chris c, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #253 of 2468 🔗

Depends where they lick

211114 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #254 of 2468 🔗

… or the usual right-wing politicians who are just doing what they’ve always done and what comes naturally in terms of picking pockets.

211132 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Charlie Blue, #255 of 2468 🔗

views vary across all age groups”

Of course. Just whining about some imagined group is a pathetic response to this shit-show.

209427 ▶▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to Recusant, 19, #256 of 2468 🔗

It is terrifying how many supposedly educated middle aged people believe that a virus will go away if you hide from it. Their ‘education’ also seems to have omitted to tell them that opinions are worthless if not backed by evidence.

209451 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Caroline Watson, 7, #257 of 2468 🔗

It’s educated people who are working from home very happily.

209473 ▶▶▶▶▶ Recusant, replying to karenovirus, 5, #258 of 2468 🔗

Very hard to convince people not to hide from the virus when their comfortable life depends on them hiding away.

210114 ▶▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to karenovirus, 4, #259 of 2468 🔗

Some of us are WFH quite unhappily. But I’ve worked from home for years. Also educated.

210002 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Recusant, 3, #260 of 2468 🔗

In a crisis it’s the government’s job to lead, not to follow. At present they’re leading in the wrong direction. (And we might question if it actually is a crisis).

209417 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to PatrickF, 11, #261 of 2468 🔗

Hence why we have to keep hammering the message that its lockdown not the virus. Unfortunately we know of far too many people who are still asleep and who uncritically believe in what they’re told.

My fear is that some people are too far gone however there is hope that others will wake up especially if its their livelihoods at stake.

209339 Nobody2020, 12, #262 of 2468 🔗

I often visit my parents and when I do they are very often checking the value of their shares. I always ask them why they check so often and if they’re planning on selling them. They always tell me no and that they just like to keep an eye on the value.

The implication here being that if the value was to go in the wrong direction they might panic, take drastic action and start selling.

This is just the mindset that we are being led by. The situation is being monitored daily and any sign that things are going in the wrong direction and we are put into panic mode. Action must be taken to immediately reverse the trend. Hence why we see guidance/rules/regulations changing seemingly with the wind.

I’ve said this before but it would seem that the amateur day traders are in control of our investments.

209341 Annette, replying to Annette, 21, #263 of 2468 🔗

Although this is off topic, just to say, its bad across the channel:

Macron is having emergency meetings to decide on stricter measures, possibly a lockdown. There’s already a 9pm curfew in 1/2 of France.  The rule of 6 has crossed the channel. You are highly recommended to wear the mask at home when with family… Can you believe it, customers were forced by the heavily geared police to leave a cafe terrasse in Paris: one man was even told off for not wearing his mask while drinking! Also they were told off for not social distancing.

More cafes and restaurants are likely to go bankrupt because of the curfew. Also depression and other psychological issues are bound to worsen: in Europe at this time of year, the weather is gloomy enough, and people go through it because of social gatherings, festivities.   Its not unusual to hear every year people say in November and December, I feel low. Whats it going to be like this year?

With the mask (in France all is relentless, no exemption except for the severely handicapped with a medical certificate) outdoors and indoors and the absence or near absence of human contact, the fear generated (even those of us who realise whats going on, our lives are impacted, and we live with the sword of Damocles over our head, not knowing what measures are going to be introduced from one day to the next, trying to protect ourselves against these, protect ourselves also from being denounced by people on the street or neighbours, just like in Nazi times), Im sure they’ll finally get all the sick people they want and any depopulation agenda may be fully on course.  I understand the sick sadist minds’ aims in torturing populations, but I dont understand why populations are letting themselves be tortured.

An alternative site chief editor who has upheld the official narrative much to my dismay, told me the other day, his media only addresses political questions: is what is happening, the totalitarian takeover, not the most important political issue at the moment?!

209447 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Annette, 10, #264 of 2468 🔗

Herd stupidity. The best expression ever invented. All European nations falling into the same trap with cases escalating. First they promise not a new lockdown but targeted measures outsourced to regions. Closing bars etc. Then stop mobility between regions. Then curfews.And then when cases are even more escalating coming back to national lockdown or using other words for it. The Spanish PM will not use the word night time curfew but night time mobility restrictions. The second lockdown (I think starting in Italy) will be even worse than the second. Devastating the economy ,not influencing the actual cases. And perhaps the population not accepting it, see the riots in Italy. The first lockdown was easier as an unprecedented situation and with MSM propaganda easier to uphold. The second one, after half a year’s SD with masks will be much more difficult for the politicians. Herd stupidity.

210143 ▶▶ TT, replying to Annette, 5, #265 of 2468 🔗

Same here in Belgium (“exemption”, never heard of that…) – only here our fledgling PM has exhorted the hypochondriacs to not be aggressive but to ‘kindly’ explain to recalcitrants how they are putting lives at risk and politely request them to wear their mask… nauseating ! Police, who were busily issuing fines to young people for sitting alone on a bench in a park during lockdown, have all but disappeared from the streets for now. But meanwhile tougher restrictions are being introduced (restaurants and bars forced to close again, another imprisonment at home likely by next week, …), so I don’t doubt police will be out in force again once resolutions have been passed. I seem to be about the only one still walking the streets in Brussels unmasked (passers-by just quicken their step and fix the pavement, I’d be almost relieved if someone would challenge me for a change!), compliance near-total. Forget about shopping or public transport unmasked, you’ll be thrown out and even asthmatics and such are expected to make the’small sacrifice’ of suffocation and gradual auto-poisoning. France was remarkably similar, if anything people were more on board with the narrative and more scared than in Belgium (and I was in the rural south… not even in a big city)!

209344 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 7, #266 of 2468 🔗

It was good to see the CS Lewis quote today. His book ‘The Abolition of Man’ was prescient of today’s situation’. You may also be interested in a commentary on Lewis’s analysis by Steve Turley; The Abolition of Sanity, available from Amazon. The Lewis novel, ‘ That Hideous Strength’, is also relevant.

209370 ▶▶ annie, replying to Basileus, 5, #267 of 2468 🔗

So is ‘Screwtape proposes a toast’, in which the cunning senior devil Screwtape celebrates the creation of the sheeple society, in which taller stalks will cut off their own tops in order to Be Like Stalks.

209420 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to annie, 6, #268 of 2468 🔗

Screwtape is good to understand the various global powers, all pretending to support one another and being friendly, but as soon as one gains ascendancy over another they’ll gobble them up without a moment’s care.
Take Hancock, for example, thinking he’s a friend of Gates – no – he’s merely a tool.

210637 ▶▶▶▶ ChrisDinBristol, replying to Rosie, 1, #269 of 2468 🔗

He is a tool, that’s certain.

209346 chaos, replying to chaos, 17, #270 of 2468 🔗

Close down the economy. Build HS2. Give a billion there. Build Wind Farms. Lose a billion there. End all jobs. Give and lose more billions. Train people as wind farm technicians. Billions billions billions. Feed poor kids during half-term? No. That would be un-conservative. Because feckless parents who cannot manage money.

We are in a weird weird simulation or dream.

209411 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to chaos, 15, #271 of 2468 🔗

The one that distresses me most is telling ballet dancers and musicians to retrain as trackntrace computer operatives.

210246 ▶▶▶ Allan Gay, replying to Rosie, #272 of 2468 🔗

Hod carrier Wilf’s next job could be in the corps de ballet at Sadlers Wells.

(He just doesn’t know it yet)

(And those boots will have to go.)

210731 ▶▶▶ ChrisDinBristol, replying to Rosie, #273 of 2468 🔗

Stop press: Rishi Sunak found impaled on a guitar . . . damn, just woke up – did I miss anything?

210124 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Adam, #275 of 2468 🔗

I think you meant to post this: https://www.newchartistmovement.org.uk/

Not sure I’d go along with it, but just wanted to correct your link.

210461 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to ConstantBees, #276 of 2468 🔗

Thank you. I’ll take a look at them

209348 FrankiiB, replying to FrankiiB, 40, #277 of 2468 🔗

Challenge this mornings fake news in BBC/ Telegraph etc

I am writing in to challenge this mornings propoganda once again stating that Imperial College have found no lasting immunity because antibodies dont last.

It is and has been established for months that immunity comes from long lasting and robust T cells, as in this Oxford summary:

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/what-is-the-role-of-t-cells-in-covid-19-infection-why-immunity-is-about-more-than-antibodies/?fbclid=IwAR05JP6Rmvv-0Z7bV29pEV9Vpz1F6moVdGTXrYFNjs-3ZKetqJnaCEaccdU

The Telegraph, in particular, needs calling out as they have put it in a headline that reads as if it is fact that immunity doesnt last. Disappointing,

209355 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to FrankiiB, 16, #278 of 2468 🔗

They’ve also published a follow-up, by one of their countless fake-name snowflake bots (“Laura Donnelly”, I think), full of the usual Telegraph trigger language – “terrifying prospect”, “will raise fears that…”, “still more fatal flaw”. It’s completely uninformed and takes no account whatever of (1) the fact that everything Imperial College has spewed out this year has demonstrably been pernicious codswallop, and (2) the fact that T-cells exist. If the DT still employed copy editors, the whole piece could be boiled down to “OMG it’s like really scary isn’t it?” without losing an ounce of content. I have been critical of Strictly Come Dancing here before, and of Bruno Tonioli in particular, but even he, standing on his chair and wiggling his hips while yodelling at the audience, would at least be communicating a grain of actual insight.

209372 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to FrankiiB, 6, #279 of 2468 🔗

Argh! Just heard same story on Talk Radio news.

209437 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to mjr, #281 of 2468 🔗

Thanks

209626 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to FrankiiB, 7, #282 of 2468 🔗

It is and has been established for months that immunity comes from long lasting and robust T cells

Either Imperial College scientists are stupid or they are paid off

210880 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Victoria, 1, #283 of 2468 🔗

Bill Gates makes huge donations to Imperial College.

210064 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to FrankiiB, 3, #284 of 2468 🔗

What really pisses me off with the BBC is how they just can’t help themselves.

Article immediately under the Imperial story is “How close are we to a vaccine?” Pure propaganda!

210355 ▶▶▶ chris c, replying to Ceriain, 2, #285 of 2468 🔗

Yes that’s it, natural immunity doesn’t last but THE VACCINE!!!

No understanding of how either immunity OR vaccines work

209349 chaos, replying to chaos, 6, #286 of 2468 🔗

Another moron MP on TalkRadio talking to Julia… need another lockdown.. blah blah..

209358 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to chaos, 19, #287 of 2468 🔗

These lock-down enthusiasts, like that MP, cannot get it into their arrogant thick heads that SARS-Cov2 is much like the common cold which we have always failed to control but learnt to live with.
Julia HB just grilled some lock-down enthusiast as to what any sort of lock-down or circuit breaker would achieve, where would be at the end of it? a perfectly reasonable sensible question which seemed to completely floor the person being interviewed. Thinking 3 weeks ahead ?????????? never thought of doing that! Needless to say they had no idea what any sort of lock-down would achieve.

209433 ▶▶▶ Gavroche, replying to Steve Martindale, 7, #288 of 2468 🔗

Not only did the MP in question (Labour, Warrington) not have a clue what a national ‘circuit-breaker’ would achieve, she didn’t even know the figures for ICU occupancy in her own constituency. She stated that it was “inevitable” Warrington would move into Tier 3 but when asked what ICU occupancy currently was – “Don’t know” – or how much higher occupancy was compared to last year – “Don’t know”. So this is the basis on which these measures are being advocated – total and unapologetic ignorance.

This isn’t an isolated case either, viz Stephen Timms and Chris Bryant last week.

209739 ▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Gavroche, 4, #289 of 2468 🔗

All labour MP’s are quite dense Angela Rayner for example Left school with no qualifications now shadow education secretary under corbyn now starmer go figure as American s say

209374 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 7, #290 of 2468 🔗

Ok, this is the worst I’ve seen. Francis Hoare posted on You Tube.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mo2AuFogAuc

209395 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 6, #291 of 2468 🔗

The video shows the NZ government is taking anyone with a positive PCR test and putting them in an isolation camp. Taking them from their home!

209414 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Country Mumkin, 10, #292 of 2468 🔗

There have been messages on here that Scotland is doing the same thing.
These reeducation camps await us. We need to fight back with every ounce/gram of our strength.

210648 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Country Mumkin, #293 of 2468 🔗

Dated August 15th?

209421 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Country Mumkin, 8, #294 of 2468 🔗

Love the next page ‘We are only doing fascism until the vaccine arrives’

209599 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Country Mumkin, #295 of 2468 🔗

Like that’s going to ‘save them’ (the general population) in the long run.

210089 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #296 of 2468 🔗

Scariest part is at the end. She is one evil cow, she is!

Of course, we all know what’s next: https://twitter.com/smudgesworld2/status/1314160296639037441

210582 ▶▶▶ DomW, replying to Ceriain, 2, #297 of 2468 🔗

That evil cunt (and yes, it is entirely appropriate to use that word) is the spawn of Satan.

I lost it completely when she was smugly annoucing that they would imprison people indefinitely until they submitted to the test. I think they probably heard me scream “you evil fucking bitch” half way down the street, and I was indoors with all the windows closed!

209376 annie, 43, #298 of 2468 🔗

Stone walls do not a prison make, nor iron bars a cage,
But if you want to lock down minds, then all you need is SAGE.

209378 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 7, #299 of 2468 🔗

Just had a quick read through the first article. Very interesting. But isn’t it the case that all these ”Covid patients” are in hospital WITH the virus rather than BECAUSE of the virus? And how many are brought in from care homes? They’re certainly not going to be yesterday’s fit, healthy people. Until we know ages then the figures will always seem to imply that people are dropping in the streets.

209391 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Banjones, 6, #300 of 2468 🔗

The article does say that it is very hard to get the data out of the NHS to establish that level of detail. I think the point is that overall the NHS is coping fine, when we hear some report of a hospital being overwhelmed it is often a small hospital with very few ICU beds. Overall the NHS has an enormous budget and a huge staff, with those resources it should be able to have emergency policies in place to cope with spikes in demand for whatever reason.

209406 ▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to Banjones, 9, #301 of 2468 🔗

It would also be interesting to know how many of the ‘positive tests’ are NHS staff and their families. People who have been in contact with the virus in clinical settings should be excluded from figures that inform decisions to restrict the behaviour of the general public.

210393 ▶▶▶ chris c, replying to Caroline Watson, 1, #302 of 2468 🔗

Pondering the difference between London and the South East where a lot of commuters go into London daily (well back before the lockdown), one big difference is that people living in London visit doctors and hospitals in London. People commutimg in from the sticks visit doctors and hospitals where they live. Makes it plausible that nosocomial transmission is a factor.

Oh and when were hospital NOT overwhelmed every winter?

209382 Jon G, 3, #303 of 2468 🔗

Just a quick gripe – why is there a contextless ‘graph of doom’ above, where the predictions of 50k cases by mid October have been extended to over 100k/day.

Did W/V ever say that? I doubt it because they were pretty sheepish when they presented the 50k graph!

If not it shouldn’t be presented as though they did. The LS position is the more reasonable one, we don’t need to enter into the same bullshit propaganda that the lockdown zealots employ.

209383 TJN, 4, #304 of 2468 🔗

Do you worry about your health?
Do you watch it slowly change?
And when you listen to yourself, does it feel like somebody else?
And did you notice when you began to disappear?
Was it slowly at first
Until there was nobody really there?
Increment by increment
Increment by increment
Increment by increment

Yeah remember me
Oh remember me
Will you remember me?

British Sea Power, ‘Remember Me’, 2003

209396 Cheshirecatslave, 5, #305 of 2468 🔗

A BBC article which actually admits things are nowhere nearas bad as they were in the spring.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54690374

209399 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 12, #306 of 2468 🔗

For a long time now many people have been saying that all this nonsense is going to cause a great deal of unemployment

It has just dawned on fifty of our usually oh so smug MP’s that this applies to them

Although it maybe delayed by four years (or maybe it won’t be four years) they have just realised they are toast

As usual the rest are slow on the uptake and have not yet realised it’s also over for them

The letter reminds me of the actions of German troops towards the end of the second World War. They stopped committing atrocities and tried to distance themselves from the regime as they knew there was a reckoning coming

209402 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Cecil B, 3, #307 of 2468 🔗

If, that is, they don’t come up with a way of denying us another election. Why should they allow themselves to be voted out if they can possibly prevent it?

209455 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Cecil B, 11, #308 of 2468 🔗

Ever since Lockdown it has become apparent we don’t need MPs at all!

209572 ▶▶ kf99, replying to Cecil B, 1, #309 of 2468 🔗

Agreed. On the plus side this will presumably hasten a move on from Johnson/Hancock/Cummins era (early next year?) unless they’re all happy to serve out a 4-year redundancy notice.

209400 Banjones, 5, #310 of 2468 🔗

All these efforts by the government and its agencies to inflate the figures – whether it be by increased and pointless ‘testing’ (though they could give ANY figures, and how do we know they’re genuine?) or by labelling any hospital admission as ‘covid’ with one (often false) positive test – show they’re in a race against time.
How quickly can they produce their lucrative vaccine before people get too wise to their manipulations and begin to rebel?

209404 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 14, #311 of 2468 🔗

Is my memory playing tricks on me? perhaps some other ‘long in the tooth’ readers can recall, I seem to remember back in the 50s-60s there was NHS vitamin enriched orange juice, do I remember that correctly?
Then I seem to recall reading somewhere that Scandinavian countries supplement food with vitamin D in the winter time.
All of which does suggest to me that given all the cash that has been splashed about why have we not issued vitamin supplements? it may do some good and as far as I am aware is unlikely to do any harm.

209415 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Steve Martindale, 11, #312 of 2468 🔗

Taking cod liver oil used to be routine, for vitamin D and other things too

209425 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Rosie, 7, #313 of 2468 🔗

Cod Liver Oil used to be cheap. Now it seems to be quite expensive. I’ve gone as high as 100,000IU per day for days and 50,000IU for weeks and weeks.. again the risks of overdose of this (or any) fat soluble vitamin are vastly overstated and likely based on flawed studies. We make 20,000IU of D3 in an hour or less on a sunny day on bare legs or back. D3 is best consumed with vitamin K. Vitamin D is actually a steroid hormone.. as is cholesterol.. I think the maximum dose of D2/3 avilable on the NHS is 400IU due to bedwetting fears.

209618 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to chaos, 1, #314 of 2468 🔗

again the risks of overdose of this (or any) fat soluble vitamin are vastly overstated and likely based on flawed studies.

Absolutely

209714 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to chaos, -2, #315 of 2468 🔗

Not really due to bedwetting fears, due to fears of a healthy population. 🙂

210409 ▶▶▶▶ chris c, replying to chaos, 1, #316 of 2468 🔗

Pedant: K2 with D3 (the NHS used to only prescribe D2 which many can’t convert properly

Of course they add vitamins to “breakfast cereal” but not eating the cereal would probably be better for you

210405 ▶▶▶ chris c, replying to Rosie, 1, #317 of 2468 🔗

Oh yes, mother got the cod liver oil and orange juice from the clinic

209418 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Steve Martindale, 14, #318 of 2468 🔗

Because this has never been about a virus. It’s about The Great Reset and other interests e.g. Gates and Pharma.

We used to routinely add potassium iodide (iodine) to salt and I think bread.. but a flawed study ended that.

Look up Iran women 1960’s in google and you will see pretty women and girls in dresses, mini skirts.. Not long after women were forced to cover up by the muslim fanatics that took control in 1974 incidences of MS rose amongst women. We have known for sometime that D deficiency precipitates autoimmune illnesses like MS and worsens immunity generally.

209717 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to chaos, #319 of 2468 🔗

Iodised salt is still common on the continent, especially in the former Soviet block.

210412 ▶▶▶▶ chris c, replying to JohnB, #320 of 2468 🔗

I used to buy it here but not seen it for ages

209456 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #321 of 2468 🔗

I have a memory of my mother being given/buying some such juice from either the doctor’s surgery or the chemist in the late 60s. I used to have a spoonful of cod liver oil as a pre-schooler, then Haliborange tablets came along. Sound familiar?

209464 ▶▶ Guirme, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #322 of 2468 🔗

I can remember getting the bottles of free orange juice when I was very young. I also remember the small Haliborange tablets. Does that make me old enough to be vulnerable and at risk?

210417 ▶▶▶ chris c, replying to Guirme, 2, #323 of 2468 🔗

Another one that just came to mind – rose hip syrup. AFAICR schoolkids were paid to collect wild rose hips for the factory

209467 ▶▶ Margaret, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #324 of 2468 🔗

Mmm. I loved it. When my kids were young, I had to buy it from Boots-it was so comforting when added to warm water. I’m a sad person in that I still love cod liver oil.

209502 ▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Margaret, 3, #325 of 2468 🔗

Cod liver oil and malt a taste from my childhood , I loved it.

210671 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to KBuchanan, #326 of 2468 🔗

Prefer my malt in beer or whisky!

My Mum used to enjoy a spoonful cod&malt though. The cat used to mug her to lick the spoon.

209658 ▶▶ Suze Burtenshaw, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #327 of 2468 🔗

There was an article on ConservativeHome yesterday by David Davis re. vit D supplements. That was his ‘plan By for ending lockdowns. Have a read.

210661 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Steve Martindale, #328 of 2468 🔗

Yes.
When I was born in the 1950s, fathers weren’t allowed anywhere near the maternity hospitals. Dad passed the worrying time with his best mate – getting drunk on NHS gin and fortified baby orange squash.

Throughout my childhood, my family took halibut liver oil capsules in winter.

In the 1980s I was given vitamin D drops to give my babies.

Then along came all the nonsense about a “balanced diet” providing all the nutrients we need …..

That’s also when the “6 slices a day is the well balanced way” and eggs are dangerous took off. Cue the epidemic of obesity, heart disease and diabetes.

209429 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 11, #329 of 2468 🔗

This woman has underlying health issues, so, because of that, she is refusing to send her children to school because she doesn’t want to catch the virus & is now being threatened with prison.

Is it just me here that thinks what did she do this time last year? When the cold & flu were doing it’s normal rounds…

Brainwashed idiot.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/mum-who-fears-shell-die-22910210

209452 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to AnotherSceptic, 8, #330 of 2468 🔗

Mad.

If she’s that afraid to go out she should at least think of her children’s education and try to do some proper home schooling. I feel sorry for the kids, they’re probably unnecessarily terrified of covid, as well as being deprived of a normal childhood.

209674 ▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to AnotherSceptic, 1, #331 of 2468 🔗

Kids should be put in care

210675 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jakehadlee, #332 of 2468 🔗
209430 Stuart, 10, #333 of 2468 🔗

Footfalls echo eerily throughout the whited sepulchres of NHS hospitals, where staff outnumber patients ten to one.

This soft genocide, as policy, can only elicit grudging admiration.

209431 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 42, #334 of 2468 🔗

After months of trying to stay strong, I fear I’m starting to crack. I’ve always had violent thoughts especially when challenged by shop staff and masked zealots but I’m afraid of that one spark that can push me over the edge and end up punching that one person.

Mr Bart and his TDS has also pushed me over the edge to the point that I had shouted at him to shut up, stop going on about a country he doesn’t live in and start caring about the real problems in this country. And I’m normally a patient person but he’s driving me up the wall.

I can now see why people contemplate suicide or worse do it. Because they’ve lost all hope.

Apologies for posting this here but it seems like there’s no exit point.

209441 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Bart Simpson, 25, #335 of 2468 🔗

Bart. I am very sorry to read this. Thinking of you and hope you stay strong. The mood has changed immeasurably over the last couple of weeks. There is an end point, and it still seems to me that it is not that far off.

209516 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 12, #336 of 2468 🔗

I’m also sorry to read this Bart. Sorry, shortish, but I echo TT … And I hope to god there is an end point.

209446 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Bart Simpson, 17, #337 of 2468 🔗

Easy for me to say, but sit back, relax and watch the shit show unfold

It is impossible for them to maintain this and the end will be soon

Can’t give a time and date, can’t say what will trigger it but it’s coming

.

209507 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Cecil B, 9, #338 of 2468 🔗

Economic collapse will be the trigger.Again can’t say what will set it off but you can’t run an economy on fresh air.

209729 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Jonathan Palmer, -1, #339 of 2468 🔗

… you can’t run an economy on fresh air.

True in the past certainly.

As they seem to be intent on the ‘great’ reset though, the economics will have been carefully sorted in advance. Johnson splashing cash, loads of money for furlough, etc.

209756 ▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #340 of 2468 🔗

Trigger for the New World Order?

210683 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #341 of 2468 🔗

Surely that’s exactly what they’re doing now?

209450 ▶▶ Maccynic, replying to Bart Simpson, 23, #342 of 2468 🔗

Don’t lose hope! To lose hope suggests we believe this shit. As your eloquent posts have shown, you know its all political shit, not medical. We don’t t need to look for an exit point, because there was never a real entry point. This thinghas been around well before the politicians got their hands on it.

The sight of my 9 and 11 year masked in shops despairs me, but Mrs maccynic is coming round as she increasingly get dyspnoea with the muzzle.

Your posts have helped me. I hope this helps you.

209733 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Maccynic, 4, #343 of 2468 🔗

Your kids are exempt from wearing masks, Maccynic. There’s a list of health issues they can cause on yesterday’s page.

209875 ▶▶▶▶ Maccynic, replying to JohnB, 3, #344 of 2468 🔗

I am in sturgeon land. Over 5s MUST obey.

210154 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Maccynic, 3, #345 of 2468 🔗

Crikey – do exemptions not apply in Scotland?

210426 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Maccynic, replying to JohnB, 3, #346 of 2468 🔗

Only for snp mps and chief medical officers. (allegedly and without prejudice)

211199 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Maccynic, 3, #347 of 2468 🔗

Fuckers. (with extreme prejudice).

210689 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Maccynic, 3, #348 of 2468 🔗

Jeez. I hadn’t realised that. Barbaric!!!

209453 ▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to Bart Simpson, 21, #349 of 2468 🔗

Stay strong, Bart. Easier said than done I know. Avoid going to trigger-places when you are feeling especially low, or likely to be triggered. Instead, at those moments, do something that you know will give you a boost – a walk outside, something on YouTube that you know will make you laugh, some baking (with music on, not the radio), anything. And have faith that this will end. It’s just taking longer than we expected.

209454 ▶▶ Lili, replying to Bart Simpson, 19, #350 of 2468 🔗

Please keep posting here. I’ve had dark days too, I guess we’ve all had them, but this IS on its last legs. There are too many higher profile voices now saying no to this. I think the madness of what is going on in Wales has really shocked many out of their reverie.

209459 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to Bart Simpson, 11, #351 of 2468 🔗

It’s super tough, and nobody can blame you for what you’re feeling. But I really hope you get help, because you can’t go round punching people. Maybe you could talk to a priest, or a therapist or a friend? Maybe your GP can help? I feel for you, these are terrible times.

209773 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Recusant, 10, #352 of 2468 🔗

Nature is the best therapist.

210696 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to David Grimbleby, 3, #353 of 2468 🔗

Standing on a hill and having a good scream or shout is very effective.

209907 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Recusant, 4, #354 of 2468 🔗

I understand the point that you are making, but in the end I have found that the threat of physical violence is the fastest, most effective and most long-lasting way of getting a bullying thug to back down.

I find this deeply regrettable, very sad and a terrible indictment on our society; but it works. Nothing concentrates minds like a tormentor being told that “I have had enough; I now have nothing to lose”.

210100 ▶▶▶▶ Recusant, replying to RichardJames, 5, #355 of 2468 🔗

I’m not worried about the person being punched, they probably deserved it. But it is a pit of violence that is very hard for the puncher to get out of. It would be better for Bart to get some balance in his life than to win these arguments.

209461 ▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Bart Simpson, 17, #356 of 2468 🔗

Try going for a walk to see the lovely autumn colours or listening to your favourite music. Cuddle your pet if you have one. These are tough times but I feel the tide is turning.

209466 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Bart Simpson, 14, #357 of 2468 🔗

You might be bending a bit but you won’t crack. This is exhausting so your feelings are only human. I have never experienced visceral hatred of another human being before all this (the main trigger being the sight or sound of MH) or feelings of violence as you mention. It’s quite disturbing! Our anger is righteous but as others suggest it might help to disconnect from it all for a bit so you can ‘refuel’.

209483 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Bart Simpson, 19, #358 of 2468 🔗

You’ve done a lot more than most. You haven’t sat back and watch this happen, you’ve made a statement by going massless and expressing yourself.
Hold your head high and be proud of what you’ve done. We’ll beat the bastards

209554 ▶▶ davews, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #359 of 2468 🔗

TDS?
I think we all go through low points at the moment and at times are close to losing it. I try and say ‘keep smiling’ but there is not really not much to smile about. You have been one of the inspirations on here Bart, please keep positive.
Met my friend and his wife in the street yesterday. She is paranoid about all the virus issues and as a result they have been largely confined to their house since March (after several years of world cruises). I didn’t comment but they both have aged appreciably in the past few months and probably don’t realise what all their voluntary lockdown has done to them.

209561 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to davews, 4, #360 of 2468 🔗

Trump Derangement Syndrome

209592 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to mhcp, 4, #361 of 2468 🔗

Sad

209574 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #362 of 2468 🔗

Bart, I don’t think there is an exit point. We face an extremely dark future. The worst bit is getting to the point of accepting that.
Then dig down and decide if you are going to be one who fights it to their last breath, or one who will watch it happen.

As for Mr B. sympathy – you need to remove yourself from his presence for as much of the day as possible. Get a leaflet together find a friend if you can and get out of the house and get to work. It does help to do something practical.

The forums here is the place to find fellow activists to do stuff with you in your local area.

209591 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Rosie, 6, #363 of 2468 🔗

I am an optimist.

The exit point is the end of this financial system.

US money supply now growing at more than 60% annualized rate.

..and no Great Rest is going to stop it.

The comissars of covid cannot plan economies and do not understand people.

But things must get worse before they get better.

209607 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to calchas, 3, #364 of 2468 🔗

Cue Biden and his $9 trillion borrowing plans…

210709 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Rosie, 1, #365 of 2468 🔗

Acceptance of this slams the exit shut.
Bart’s eyes are too wide open to back down now.
Hang out with like-minded people Bart. There are more and more of us by the minute.

209615 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #366 of 2468 🔗

I can well understand how you feel. But hope is there. Hope for the right things. It will get better. Probably not in ways any of us can foresee, but it will.

209775 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Bart Simpson, 12, #367 of 2468 🔗

Bart, some people you have never met look forward every day to reading your posts. You have friends, an audience even! Hang on.

209829 ▶▶ James Bertram, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #368 of 2468 🔗

Bart, I found this reminder of why we do what we do very helpful.
Definitely worth a read. Take heart.
https://www.aier.org/article/who-deserves-your-trust-in-the-covid-debate/

210027 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #369 of 2468 🔗

Sorry to hear of your problems, Bart. You are one of the most regular contributors to this forum and you always have something interesting to say.

210166 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #370 of 2468 🔗

Apologies for posting this here but it seems like there’s no exit point.

There is an exit point; of course there is.

Keep faith; do not let them win !

210529 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #371 of 2468 🔗

I’m sorry you’re feeling so bad, Bart. Take heart. I have never met you, but I feel that I have, because your posts body you forth in all your independence of spirit and strength of mind.
In fact every time I go to a museum or gallery (I try to do this several times a month) I look thoughtfully at the staff, wondering if one of them is you. It makes me feel good to know that you are out there somewhere.
We are listening, we care about how you are doing.

210678 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #372 of 2468 🔗

Sorry to hear that. Do check in here with us as often as you can.
Recommend chamomile tea. I personally don’t like the taste but it’s very calming without making you dopey. The one with vanilla and honey by Pukka is less disgusting than naked chamomile.

209435 Will, replying to Will, 12, #373 of 2468 🔗

She is a ludicrous character and a terrible old ham but just read a very heartening piece on FB by Miriam Margoyles. I think the left are finally waking up to the realisation that they have been manipulated to bring these appalling erosions of freedom and democracy upon themselves; Indeed many of them are continuing to demand more and greater measures to “keep them safe”.

209443 ▶▶ Lili, replying to Will, 2, #374 of 2468 🔗

Is there a link? I can’t find it?

209564 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Lili, #375 of 2468 🔗

Yesterday’s Toby summary

210179 ▶▶▶▶ Lili, replying to Rosie, #376 of 2468 🔗

Thanks.

209470 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Will, 5, #378 of 2468 🔗

She finally realises that the arts ( her field) are screwed by this nonsense.

209491 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Will, 3, #379 of 2468 🔗

Cheezilla posted this yesterday. I made a comment – like you – that it was good that she was waking up, but I called her an old Harridan and said I’d gone off her recently.

RickH asked me – why ‘old harridan’? – and I answered him this morning on yesterday’s thread. RickH – here it is to save you having to go looking for it:-

“Good question – I had actually forgotten the specific reason why I went off her until you asked, but it was because earlier in the year, she had said she hoped Boris would die – I’m not sure he didn’t now. At that point, I wouldn’t have been in those thought processes at all, so it sounded like a really strong statement to make – to wish death on someone. And because she is clearly left wing, it sounded like it was purely because he was a nasty Tory, and that was enough of a reason for him to die.

The things I really admire in her are that she is clearly an intelligent and worldly lady and she’s really interesting and entertaining to listen to, she is completely ok with everything about herself – she will do and say exactly what she wants to – she’s a character.

Those are the sorts of traits that I will always respect in anyone – she is completely her own person, and doesn’t care what other people think. I know we all say things about people should swing for whatever now. Since then, I have felt strong enough to wish death on certain people – so maybe I am also now an old harridan!!

That was very cathartic – thank you!”

209439 chaos, replying to chaos, 11, #380 of 2468 🔗

Another fuckwit (Nadhim Zahawi) on TalkRadio.. we seem to have elected a perfect storm of low IQ/uncritical/sheeple fuckwits.

209442 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to chaos, 5, #381 of 2468 🔗

He’s loathsome – I’ve met him!

209457 ▶▶ NickR, replying to chaos, 7, #382 of 2468 🔗

He’s precious. Founder of YouGov. Ex protégé of Geoffrey Archer. Whilst an MP & on Foreign Affairs Select Committee earned £1/2 m a year working for an oil company extracting oil from Iraqi Kurdistan while shareholders lost their shirts. Apparently, no conflict of interest!!!
I could go on…..

209621 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to chaos, #384 of 2468 🔗

Beats Robert Halfern

210718 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to chaos, #385 of 2468 🔗

They’re handpicked!

209444 Tim Bidie, 11, #386 of 2468 🔗

In fact the creeping into power of anti democratic supranational authorities has been taking place for some time; regional and global quangos, aided and abetted, indeed funded by parastatal monopolies whose dodgy tax affairs, perfectly legal though they may be, are by now well known to all.

That is the reality that lies behind so called ‘populism’, the raging against the dilution of political accountability manifested in Brexit and so much else.

Just as it cannot be right for the democratically effectively unaccountable eu to dictate matters of policy to the democratically elected government of Britain, so it cannot be right for the World Health Organisation, amongst others, to be funded by democratically elected governments on the one hand and democratically unaccountable organisations like the eu (eu funding behind so many of these creature quangos: OECD you know who I am talking about), the Gates foundation and so many others.

Yes there will be a great reset……but not in the way these unaccountable organisations fondly imagine……

209449 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 10, #387 of 2468 🔗

Fuck sake, Morrisons advertising on the radio 10% discount in stores for NHS staff

209471 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to stefarm, 4, #388 of 2468 🔗

Another one off the list. Morrisons will be thinking of a large contingent of incentivised sales no doubt.

209528 ▶▶ Jane G, replying to stefarm, #389 of 2468 🔗

I think it’s one of those things that once started, (it’s been in place almost from the beginning, or whenever the NHS was canonised) it would make them look bad to remove it.)

209587 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to stefarm, 6, #390 of 2468 🔗

How about 10% for the people who pay for the NHS but never get to use it?

210720 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to stefarm, #391 of 2468 🔗

Vomit!!!!

209458 Dan Clarke, 1, #392 of 2468 🔗

Don’t understand the BBC programme about the Generation Covid and the crowd funding

209460 Mark H, replying to Mark H, 64, #393 of 2468 🔗

“If doesn’t affect me, I’m fine with it.”

I think that’s been a driving factor in the response to many, many people in 2020.

However, I think we’re fast approaching a time where more and more of these people will indeed start to be affected by it.

Even asides from the end of furlough and the increasing unemployment, simple things like queuing outside Next in the lead up to Xmas, standing freezing in the wind and rain in the middle of December will start to affect them. Let alone having less money and fewer credit options to buy Xmas presents for their kids.

And then, when Xmas comes, and it’s a “digital Xmas”, per the announcement from Scotland’s top dentist, it’ll start to affect them. Not having a mad houseful of crazy relatives will affect them.

And worse, when they start to hear of, or even experience themselves, families suffering the suicide of a lonely and mentally compromised family member between Xmas and New Year (statistically the most likely time of year for a suicide to occur), it’ll start to affect them.

One of Scotland’s most economically deprived areas, North Lanarkshire, is about to be placed directly into Tier 4, as was leaked yesterday. Even before a “debate” in Holyrood. An area with more poverty than its neighbours is about to lose all but essential shops and businesses. Gyms, newly reopened, will close again. The pubs have been closed for 3 weeks already. This is an area that was red for generations. It threw its support behind the SNP recently. The SNP are about to punish it.

In one area of North Lanarkshire, the local Xmas tree and Xmas lights have been cancelled. The Facebook Group that residents of this area chat on has already started to arrange a crowd funding exercise to buy the fucking tree and the fucking lights because they don’t want their kids to have yet one more little bright joy of (literal) light switched off. I mean, guising (trick or treat) has been cancelled as has bonfire night. Now they won’t even be able to partake of the long-held family tradition of a wee walk round to look at the twinkly Xmas lights on the tree.

People are facing a very long, dark and emotionally cold winter. And while, in the spring and summer, it didn’t affect them, I have no doubts that public opinion will shift quickly and en masse.

I can think of two people I know who fucking love the lockdown. Both hate social gatherings. Both love video games and never going out. It’s people like them that have been the loud, vocal minority so far. The lockdown has made everyone else just like them.

But most ordinary working class people aren’t like them. And this Xmas will be the straw that breaks the camel’s back.

209476 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Mark H, 25, #394 of 2468 🔗

It’s better educated middle class types working comfortably from home who are driving this now. Those in the public sector having the added bonus of being able to push the proles around even more. Hence tier 4 in North Lanarkshire and tier 1 for the English Home Counties.

209484 ▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to karenovirus, 17, #395 of 2468 🔗

The public sector wfh people don’t seem to get that as tax take reduces there WILL be a smaller public sector. Their jobs will go too.

209605 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to karenovirus, 7, #396 of 2468 🔗

How the middle class Holyrood types in their Edinburgh townhouses completely captured the Labour working class vote is the mystery of the age. But where is the opposition? There’s always George Galloway I suppose.

211120 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Mark H, 2, #397 of 2468 🔗

“ordinary working class people”; “better educated middle class types”;”middle class Holyrood types”;”public sector wfh people”

Quite a few resentful generalised chips on shoulders floating around here, it seems. That’s going to win the day, I’m sure.

Yawn.

209462 matt, replying to matt, 35, #398 of 2468 🔗

The Danish mask study.

This just occurred to me, so sorry if someone’s said it before and I’m late to the party.

The study looked into whether or not wearing a mask stopped the wearer becoming infected. They couldn’t look into whether a mask stopped an infected person from infecting others for ethical and logistical reasons (also, possibly legal reasons).

Now, a result that said there was little or no effect wouldn’t be controversial, because the story is anyway that wearing a mask protects others, not the wearer. This means that a report that said that masks don’t protect the wearer would be a big “so what?” moment.

So, the only reason I can think of that the study wouldn’t be published is if it shows an increase in infections in the mask wearing subjects. We’ve speculated about this here before and the data from countries with mask mandates certainly imply a correlation between masks being imposed and an increase in positive test results – though there are plenty of other reasons why that might have happened, of course.

How long do you think people would carry on signalling their virtue with muzzles on their faces once they know that, while they might be protecting others, they’re also putting themselves at increased risk? I strongly suspect they’d climb down from the moral high ground pretty sharpish.

209477 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to matt, 8, #399 of 2468 🔗

I’m no doctor but logically they must negatively affect the wearer. 10 minutes was all I could stand when having a blood test and couldn’t wait to get the thing off , felt suffocating.

209493 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to KBuchanan, 3, #400 of 2468 🔗

My GP didn’t know what n-acetyl cysteine was. My consultant told me tryptophan was the precursor to dopamine. It isn’t. I’ve put a card in my wallet stating in the case of accident or illness I don’t want to be revived by quacks (any doctor) thank you. I’d rather just go on my way… where I am free to join father Satan and come back as a Chinese virus. I’m not in a good place today.

209567 ▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to chaos, 8, #401 of 2468 🔗

I can tell. Those of us who tend to depression have found these last months hell. It really pushes my buttons for people to sweep these matters under the carpet. They are lucky if they don’t feel the effects but don’t downplay the negative impact on those who do.
It will come right, it must, and we will all be there on the other side.

209833 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to steph, 1, #402 of 2468 🔗

The negative impacts need to be consciously addressed, as far as is possible. Anyone saying they don’t feel the effects is probably being economical with the truth.

Take a break from the madness (tv, web, newspapers, radio), eat well, sleep, exercise, read books, meet people.

209728 ▶▶▶▶ Shep, replying to chaos, 1, #403 of 2468 🔗

hope you are not watching tv man. since you are connected, take abreak and listen to ‘babylon by bus’ 😎

210048 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to KBuchanan, 3, #404 of 2468 🔗

Agreed, that’s been my view right from the start. I know my own body better than anyone else does and I know that “covering my nose and mouth” is not good for my health.

209487 ▶▶ Basics, replying to matt, 2, #405 of 2468 🔗

“They couldn’t look into whether a mask stopped an infected person from infecting others for ethical and logistical reasons (also, possibly legal reasons).”

On this point it’s worth pointing out the DELVE Hamstered Mask study DID precisely this by studying – via human masks strung up between cages – if masks stopped transmission from one infected hamster to another hamster.

Could the Danish study’s statement of logical impossibility pose a challenge too far for the contrived thread bare narrative?

209539 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Basics, 1, #406 of 2468 🔗

I have just found myself wondering how far a heavy- breathing hamster can propel droplets. Do they sneeze or cough? Must do some work.

209631 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #407 of 2468 🔗

I fancy a hamster mock up could be made by emtying a tube of toothpaste.

Matt’s op is a good one I didn’t intend to distract from his line. The Danish Study holds fear for these sinister technocrats. What is in it?

209541 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to Basics, 8, #408 of 2468 🔗

The hamster study is laughable in terms of what it’s trying to achieve and how it’s trying to achieve it.

The way that a mask might work mechanically when it’s several inches away from a creature with a tiny set of lungs is completely different from the way it might work when strapped directly to the nose and mouth of a much larger creature. That should be so obvious that I’m constantly amazed that anyone ever paid any attention at all to the DELVE study in the first place.

209580 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to matt, 10, #409 of 2468 🔗

Hamsters in frickin’ cages.

The analogy is too close for comfort.

209641 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to matt, 2, #410 of 2468 🔗

It is so absurd that using the study in conversation as describing it makes one look like a loon.

209568 ▶▶ calchas, replying to matt, 1, #411 of 2468 🔗

There is already a great deal of exidencet hat his is the case.

I think you are bang on.

209575 ▶▶ calchas, replying to matt, 2, #412 of 2468 🔗

A further question would be liability in case of illness presumed to be caused by having to wear a mandatory mask.

-it will be interesting to see what happens to this Danish study.

209585 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to matt, 10, #413 of 2468 🔗

Will not change anything. Like many people here already said, this is a cult and therefore all logic and science go out of the window. I have not watched the news for about 3 months as the last time I managed about 3 minutes before started screaming abuse and swearing.

210929 ▶▶▶ ChrisDinBristol, replying to Thomas_E, 1, #414 of 2468 🔗

3 whole minutes?

209664 ▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to matt, 3, #415 of 2468 🔗

Yes this is what I thought as soon as I heard it was controversial. And it makes sense.

209672 ▶▶ Will, replying to matt, 5, #416 of 2468 🔗

I became extremely dizzy and light headed after wearing one for a significant period of time in hospital yesterday. Fortunately our lovely nurse had the common sense to realise me blacking out while looking after my daughter might not be a great idea.

209827 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Will, -2, #417 of 2468 🔗

Have you been infected with common sense as a result, Will ? 🙂

209699 ▶▶ Mark, replying to matt, 4, #418 of 2468 🔗

Encouraging prospect, which I would absolutely love to turn out to be correct.

Your argument makes sense, but of course we are not living in a time in which reason necessarily rules. Looking at it pessimistically, it might just be what most are assuming, that the study shows very little or no effect, and it’s being held up by zealots in the peer review or editorial process even for this trivial deviation from orthodoxy.

With my pessimist hat on, I’d suggest that it would be much more difficult to withhold a study that actually suggests an increase in health problems, because those doing so could be accused of harming health.

It’s also, sadly, quite plausible that the editors in question are digging in to hold the study up until after voting is complete in the US election, because the people concerned are overwhelmingly victims of Trump Derangement Syndrome.

209874 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to matt, 4, #419 of 2468 🔗

Agree. Another ‘inconclusive’ study would just get lost in the weeds.
This one has a finding of a net harm , I’m sure of it.
It’s large (5000 subjects?) and is an RCT (randomised controlled trial).
Difficult to disparage and undermine, but that won’t stop them.
Perhaps they will say there is selection bias because non-mask wearers typically have better functional immune systems?!
Question is; do they go with a pre-peer review pre-print?
Can they even get that out there?
Who will report it in the UK?
Daily Mail to the rescue?

209896 ▶▶ Felice, replying to matt, #420 of 2468 🔗

I seem to remember that Richard Pinch had something to say about this study, but I can’t remember what, and have no idea how to find his comment.
Does anyone know how to search this blog for comments???
Richard, are you still around?

210495 ▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Felice, 2, #421 of 2468 🔗

Yes, still here. The comments were from the 19th, by swedenborg, myself and djaustin among others.

(S) Danish Face mask Study RCT Repost from yesterday night
https://pubpeer.com/publications/47865E80A829070D6D64DDB57F3A70
Even before the paper is published(or NOT published) in Aug this letter was sent to the Danish Medical association from Project Fear and Lockdownfanatics in US. They object to the study design etc and has serious concerns that this study might undermine the mask argument in a false way.Therefore they warn that it should not be published.
I can’t judge whether they are correct in criticising the design of the study and technicalities but really interesting how the mask fanatics go to this length even before it is published or not.They might be rattled.

(DA) The Danish study uses what is known as an “Intent To Treat (ITT)” analysis. Essentially this is the most robust method of inference. If in a clinical trial you are randomised to treatment and decide to throw it away rather than take it at all, then even if the treatment works, your action will have diluted the effect – if the treatment STILL is shown to work, then it is a robust finding.

(RP) I think the scientific concern is that the study is under-powered, that is, there are so few participants in the study that it is unlikely to show a statistically significant result even if the effect is real. This is a legitimate concern in general, although I can’t say whether it is justified in this particular case.
In general underpowered tests that lead to conclusions that “we can’t tell” are a waste of time and not likely to be published at all. But that’s a minor concern. The writers of the letter are concerned that, should the test fail to detect a significant difference, and that result were to be published, then it might be misinterpreted not as having failed to show a different, but as having shown no difference — the evidence of absence rather than the absence of evidence. This is not unreasonable, but both proponents and opponents of various health measures have to live with misreporting by the media.
However, what is interesting is that it claims that the test is not powerful on the following basis

The sample size calculation assumes at least a 50% relative risk reduction; this is unreasonably high given that it is the product of both compliance behavior and mask protective effects.

and support the claim that this is unreasonable this by saying

The effect size would surely be smaller than that found in three observational studies collectively showing that actually wearing masks outside the healthcare setting reduced the odds of SARS infection by less than 50%

Some opponents of mask mandates might want to seize on that number. However, it is important to note that this is a study of the protection of the wearer of the mask. It isn’t about the effect of the mask in preventing spread of infection from the wearer, which is the claimed rationale for making them mandatory.
Still, what’s sauce for the goose, etc. Should the authors of this caveat have published a comment which is itself liable to misinterpretation?

(DA) Powering is always a risk to the sponsor in any trial. Normally you decide how big an effect would be clinically meaningful (50% is a big effect), decide how often you are prepared to miss a difference that big by chance (2/10 is the going rate, but sometimes to be conservative 1/10 or even 1/20). Then run the trial and look at the effect. Can the null hypothesis (there is no difference) be rejected at the 5% level? Big effects need few subjects, small effects are, well, small!. Look at Remdesivir effects – it needs several 1000 patients to separate placebo and active treatments. A good antiviral would only need several hundred.
Then there is the issue of clinical vs. statistical significance. I always use Brexit as the example – there was a staggeringly statistically significant difference due to the 33M sample size. The likelihood of a 4% difference in a population that large is about 1 in 10^-22! However the magnitude of the difference (4%) is not really politically significant – this was not defined prior to the experiment (poll). Unlike entry, where a politically significant difference (67-33) was obtained. Pre-definition of a politically significant or clinically margin is the cornerstone of referenda and clinical trials.
Sometimes trials fail because they are underpowered for the true effect. That doesn’t absolutely rule out an effect, it rules out a big effect.

214740 ▶▶▶▶ Felice, replying to Richard Pinch, #422 of 2468 🔗

Thank you Richard.
Only just discovered how to revisit earlier posts……..

210893 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to matt, #423 of 2468 🔗

Do they really wear masks to protect others?

209463 Rosie, replying to Rosie, 5, #424 of 2468 🔗

So many thousands have signed the Great Barrington Declaration and here is a long list of Dutch doctors who call for proper debate https://opendebat.info/artsen/
and here is doctors in Belgium (we can sign this letter too) https://docs4opendebate.be/en/

Even though few British doctors are speaking out, perhaps these letters can be used to persuade zealots to think again?

209472 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Rosie, 3, #425 of 2468 🔗

Has anyone seen this one before? Maybe I missed it https://www.weblyf.com/2020/08/640-doctors-claim-that-covid-19-is-a-global-scam/

For example, on August 6, a website called Awakening Channel has published a video entitled “640 DOCTORS, CV19 IS A GLOBAL SCAM”. It showed an international conference of professional health workers and doctors joined also by online participants, talking about the current status of many hospitals and governments around the world in dealing with the so-called pandemic. Clearly, the official narrative of this pre-fabricated crisis is now turning out to be fake and many scams have been happening related to the responses and the policies of the many governments of the world.

The video is available and the transcript is up.

209469 Basics, replying to Basics, 9, #426 of 2468 🔗

Do academic institutions bear any respinsibility in all this? Lockdowns kill sridhar promotes their use to politicians, does Edinburgh University have any responsibility in lending a seat of residence/employment to such an actor?
Neil Fergusson is a producer of dangerously poor modeling that is openely pulled apart for decades, Imperial College consistently stand by him giving him position and employment.
Do these istitutions not have a responsibility to the conduct of the professiinal academics they are staffed by?

209474 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Basics, 5, #427 of 2468 🔗

Good question. I don’t understand where our lawyers are. Why don’t they do something in the way that they are in Germany?

209486 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Rosie, 3, #428 of 2468 🔗

They’re too busy cobbling together a defence for the hijackers of the Isle of Wight oil tanker. Who I expect to be granted honorary citizenship any day now, and invited to turn on the Christmas lights in Regent Street.

210771 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Rosie, #429 of 2468 🔗

My guess is most lawyers are in bed with whatever globalist ideology is controlling this fiasco. I would love to be proved wrong. Considering that armies of lawyers appear whenever terrorists and murderers are threatened with deportation, I find their silence during this assault on the civil rights of ordinary decent Britons to be deafening.

209480 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Basics, 1, #430 of 2468 🔗

Politicians and scientists have never been based on morals, ethics, empathy, in fact, the opposite

209563 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #431 of 2468 🔗

Not so. There have always been ethical people in every profession. Unhelpful to make these types of sweeping generalisations.

209475 chaos, replying to chaos, 10, #432 of 2468 🔗

I don’t think I’ll ever work again even with my engineering degree. I keep thinking of hanging and stuff (I’ve read it’s pretty painless).. am I being pessimistic or could I (late 40’s) still perhaps create an income in Boris and Klaus’ levelling down dystopian no jobs no travel climate change carnage?

209495 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to chaos, 17, #433 of 2468 🔗

Don’t think of that.

They’re doing their best to render my qualifications worthless too (aeroplanes are my thing and I have no interest in wind turbines), but we will beat them.

209684 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 2, #434 of 2468 🔗

My industry too is suffering internationally thanks to this. It’s not something I can directly blame our government for, but their attitude to lockdowns and restricting international travel isn’t helping!!

209496 ▶▶ steph, replying to chaos, 26, #435 of 2468 🔗

Please stop right there! We want no more dreadful tragedy on the back of this useless and dangerous government’s actions.
Hang on in there; we need clear thinkers and independents to rebuild this country once the dictators have been overthrown.
We are all behind you so keep your pecker up.
I don’t think I’ll ever work again but at 61 it’s enforced early retirement and a reduced pension. Still not ideal. BTW I have a science degree from Imperial (apologies) but in those days we did science not soothsaying

209519 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to chaos, 18, #436 of 2468 🔗

Yes, you are being pessimistic – or perhaps more accurately you are feeling helpless and hopeless (understandably) We will all find a way. If you are dwelling on thoughts about permanent exit routes, please contact your GP or give Samaritans a call. Please. We need you, Chaos and the future is still full of positive possibilities, however difficulty they are to imagine right now.

209523 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to chaos, 11, #437 of 2468 🔗

I was a software engineer until I was made redundant at 47. After much soul searching I took the significant decision to retrain. I registered as a nurse when I was 50 and I am now approaching retirement next year having worked as a nurse practitioner for the past three years. My decision was to take a radical change in direction, a direction I hadn’t envisaged 30 years earlier.

209566 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to p02099003, 14, #438 of 2468 🔗

At the time the list of people being made redundant was announced I felt exactly the same way, helpless, hopeless and, worst of all, worthless.

There have been times over the past 8 months I have had episodes of those same feelings, particularly over the last couple of months.

The perpetual drip drip drip of doom laden messages are like the Chinese water torture.
The real problem is that there doesn’t seem to be an end or even a hint of a plan.
Ultimately we are going to need intelligent practical people to reverse this mess. I can only say hang on in there, identify something that you can do to distract your imaginings be it a practical project or research into a topic that interests you.

209531 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to chaos, 13, #439 of 2468 🔗

Chaos – it’s not your fault and it’s not only you. But the fightback NEEDS you. Get angry and act!

You might not have heard of Gramski and The Long March Through the Institutions but this is an agenda of corruption that we face that was born many decades ago.

Me and my husband were younger than you when we were thrown onto the scrapheap, unwanted by society. Between us we have two degrees and two professional qualifications and huge commitment to doing what any decent society should want, competent and honest people.

It’s not a good feeling, but it’s not about you personally. In all likelihood you won’t get paid employment ever again, but you must work day in day out to stop this happening. Find some motivation, please! Do you want your younger friends and relatives to have a meaningful life themselves? Do you want them to be muzzled slaves? Do you want us all to be murdered either by vaccination or by deliberate food shortages?

Answer these questions, make some leaflets, and get to work!

The Long March and other things explained
https://www.beautyandthebeastlytruth.com/the-conflict-of-ideas

209534 ▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to chaos, 22, #440 of 2468 🔗

You are needed as one of the few who see the truth. Don’t let the enemy win.

209535 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to chaos, 14, #441 of 2468 🔗

Don’t let the bastards grind you down!!!!

209547 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to chaos, 18, #442 of 2468 🔗

No. Your posts give me hope

See it as a marathon. You just hit the ‘wall’ about 22miles out, you will finish even if we have to carry you over the line

209570 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to chaos, 36, #443 of 2468 🔗

Chaos.

My business parter committed suicide last week after our business failed. We/I owe £400k now. His is the third suicide of somebody close to me this year. All because of the lockdowns & associated destruction of people’s lives. Both of my young children have been diagnosed with depression. We are on the brink of removing both of our kids from school & home educating them.

I will stand by your side through any of this shit that we are suffering. And I will stand in your way if you decide that you want to die. I will not relent so you will have to beat me out of the way.

I hate what is happening but we MUST not lose our humanity whilst those around us are losing theirs. Whilst one of us lives there is hope, and if there is hope then there is a way out of this.

Don’t do it. You are valued and loved. You will never see the hurt & the mourning that happens for you but look at what has happened when others have taken this option.

Just no, okay? Contact me if I can help in any way (Toby has my email & I’m happy for you or anybody else to be forwarded through him, this is for crisis stuff not run of the mill obviously, Toby I hope you don’t mind? Thank you.) or phone a friend or your doctor.

Now switch off for a while & go & do something that you enjoy.

Arnie.

209588 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Arnie, 9, #444 of 2468 🔗

Thanks Arnie for continuing to come here despite everything.

A note on home education – I whole-heartedly recommend it. There are well-established networks for meeting up with like-minded people.

210307 ▶▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Rosie, 4, #445 of 2468 🔗

Thank you for kind comments Rosie. We all need a pocket of Sanity in this mad world, for me it is here.

We’ve been homeschooling our eldest for a year now, we are trying to keep our youngest at primary school mainly for the social skills & interaction. The school is one of the best around as far as keeping the coronabollocks to a minimum but the writing is definitely on the wall.

I’ve personally lost so much, during my military career and now this. I feel like I am constantly trying, and succeeding so far, to stay ahead of the wave that wants to crush me. I am old school and will fight to the death to protect my friends. Occasionally that is not enough but it won’t stop me trying.

One day it might be me needing that shoulder to lean on…

Chin up, we’ve got a war to fight.

Arnie.

PS. Thank you again, & stay safe.

210469 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Arnie, 1, #446 of 2468 🔗

Thank you for you lovely comments, Arnie, which I’ve copied offline to keep and encourage me.
Old school too – The Lord of the Rings and loyalty to friends.
Do you need someone to help clear up your business?

209708 ▶▶▶ Shep, replying to Arnie, 6, #447 of 2468 🔗

it’s darkest just before dawn, a cliche but true.

209850 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Arnie, 1, #448 of 2468 🔗

Arnie, are your kids into Laurel and Hardy, Charlie Chaplin, etc. ?

210316 ▶▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to JohnB, #449 of 2468 🔗

Hi John, no they aren’t but I am, why do you ask? Arnie.

211193 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Arnie, #450 of 2468 🔗

Only thought some classic humour might be good for them. 🙂

210404 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Arnie, #451 of 2468 🔗

Well said Arnie. Everyone here is rooting for you too.

209584 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to chaos, 17, #452 of 2468 🔗

I applied for a Head of Department job at the age of 64 and got it. Ten years later I am still working. Never give up, never give up, never give up.

209614 ▶▶ Basics, replying to chaos, 6, #453 of 2468 🔗

I have no idea chaos but you strike me as someone able to use yourself to fight strongly against this oppresion in a meaningful semi organised way. To repurpose youself, if what you are left with is no hope, you are one who can do a lot of good. Doesn’t mean it makes anything less hard but you have a temperament useful to the world. Rather one of you that 100 untrustables. But I don’t presume to know, just a passing observation.

209630 ▶▶ kf99, replying to chaos, 6, #454 of 2468 🔗

Anyone with an engineering mind needs to listen to Lord Bamford last week. So inspiring. We need engineers more than ever. They’ve even set up their own high school as they weren’t happy with the candidates from mainstream education.

209675 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to chaos, 5, #455 of 2468 🔗

Yes you will. There is a shortage of engineers and as you probably know, one form of engineering contains a lot of transferable skills to other disciplines within engineering.

209697 ▶▶ Shep, replying to chaos, 3, #456 of 2468 🔗

help someone who is unable to help themselves. I find it gets me off the subject of my own problems which can lead to negativity. Start with the nearest homeless person.

209744 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to chaos, 6, #457 of 2468 🔗

Keep your chin up. Use The Samaritans link provided by Toby on these pages.

I have an engineering degree. I still work in engineering of sorts as a Consultant Engineer. What I started out on over 30 years ago is in no way shape or form what I do now. I have “re-skilled” three or four times now to different engineering disciplines. It’s this constant re-skilling that has allowed me to become a Consultant Engineer.

The point of your degree and particularly engineering is that it demonstrates a capacity to learn and re-learn and apply those transferable skills to new trains of thought. It’s what your CPD record is all about. It’s your engineering degree that has allowed you to hone your critical, independent, rational and logical thought processes to cut through the crap and see things from an entirely different perspective.

I realised a long time ago just how differently engineers think about and see the world compared to the larger population that have no concept of engineering beyond being someone that comes to fix the washing machine or service the boiler. They really have no interest in finding out how things work.

209765 ▶▶ VickyA, replying to chaos, 4, #458 of 2468 🔗

I was once feeling useless and a burden. But a very good and wise friend snapped me out of that thought and said that we all are useful, not just because of the work we may or may not do, but we can be useful by listening to others, for bearing witness to what’s going on, and for just being yourself.

Everyone is brilliant and has amazing potential but they forget that as it is beaten out of them by negative news and inept leadership.

Quote that helped me (Marianne Williamson)

Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness, that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous? Actually, who are you not to be?

210284 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to VickyA, #459 of 2468 🔗

Lovely comment Vicky. Thank you. Arnie.

209893 ▶▶ BJJ, replying to chaos, 2, #460 of 2468 🔗

We need all hands on deck in this.

209909 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to chaos, 2, #461 of 2468 🔗

Stiff upper lip old chap. I haven’t been able to check the forums yet, but hopefully you’ve received my PM to you.

210594 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to chaos, 1, #462 of 2468 🔗

Please don’t despair. I’m in my late 40s and two years ago I left the corporate world (journalism) to become a freelance writer and editor. It’s the best decision I ever made as I am now completely independent, flexible and beholden to no man – and amazingly I am earning more than I did as a London wage slave. I never thought it would be possible, but if a lazy so and so like me can manage it then anyone can.

210605 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to chaos, #463 of 2468 🔗

I know it is a cliche and sometimes hard to define, but being creative helps lift the spirits.

210739 ▶▶ ajb97b, replying to chaos, #464 of 2468 🔗

Hi Chaos

Please do something for me – contact Toby Young ( lockdownsceptics@gmail.com ) and point him to this comment whereby I give him permission to give you my contact details.

Then email or phone me.

There are things to discuss that I cannot put on a public site

209478 Mike, replying to Mike, 10, #465 of 2468 🔗

Is anyone else spotting a trend with regards to the targeted shutdown of food processing facilities. There seems to be a drive to close these places down, particularly if processing meats. It’s looking more and more like a deliberate attack on food supply.

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-outbreak-meat-processing-factory-213541417.html

209559 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Mike, 3, #466 of 2468 🔗

Anyone with a garden who needs some exercise should start to grow stuff at once – kale, potatoes, pumpkins and beetroot. plus cooking apple trees.

210265 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Rosie, 1, #467 of 2468 🔗

Yes, please! As someone who doesn’t have a garden I despair at the amount of wasted garden space I see. Even this late in the year, depending on where you are, you can still start things like kale, spinach, garlic, overwintering onions. If you have enough space, you can plant out bare root fruit trees, raspberries, and blackcurrants over the winter. Plus you can prepare a patch and get seeds to be ready in the spring.

Also, there are lots of abandoned fruit trees, mostly apples, in back gardens all over the country. I have seen some fruit gleaning projects, most notably in Manchester and Sheffield, but there is so much fruit that just rots on the ground every year for lack of people to harvest it.

I’m lucky enough to have an allotment, but allotment provision has plummeted throughout the country. There’s a multi-year waiting list at my site now because of the lockdown.

209562 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Mike, 2, #468 of 2468 🔗

This could be the next shoe to drop.

Stocking up this week.

209611 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Mike, 2, #469 of 2468 🔗

Support the local butcher

209619 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Victoria, 1, #470 of 2468 🔗

You’ve just reminded me I’ve a Bridie in the fridge, no shopping today! Local butchers are more filling.

209859 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Victoria, 1, #471 of 2468 🔗

and farm shops.

209900 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to JohnB, #472 of 2468 🔗

Amen to that. Some great ones round my way.

210503 ▶▶▶▶▶ chris c, replying to Mr Dee, #473 of 2468 🔗

Yes I’ve just been to the butcher’ and veg shop, tomorrow I’ll do the farm shop and stock up the freezer to be on the safe side.

I learned long ago to cook from scratch, as did my parents (well mostly) and my ex and many friends. A skill many never seem to have learned though

210268 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Victoria, #474 of 2468 🔗

Or search online for places that sell meat directly to the customer. Quite a bit of it is expensive (organic) meat, but it seems like most counties to have suppliers. If you have a car, you may be able to visit and stock up. Or have it delivered.

209707 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Mike, 1, #475 of 2468 🔗

It surprises me that the authorities have not clocked on or done some research into why meat factory workers seem to especially susceptible.
Apparently the cool temperature required is ideal for the virus. In Germany, the first big “outbreak” at the Toennies factory, 2 of 2000 were actually ill.
The farmers are still struggling with the aftermath, not being able to send pigs to slaughter and they are loosing money.

210071 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Silke David, 1, #476 of 2468 🔗

The issue is, Silke, that they do know and are deliberately engineering food shortages. An awful lot of evidence points that way.

209479 reason, replying to reason, 13, #477 of 2468 🔗

Judging by the current online edition it looks like The Daily Mail is becoming more sceptical by the day. Perhaps the tide is beginning to turn. Littlejohns article is a treat!

209481 ▶▶ chaos, replying to reason, 10, #478 of 2468 🔗

The comments in The Mail have been overwhelmingly anti-lockdown for three months at least.

209489 ▶▶▶ reason, replying to chaos, 8, #479 of 2468 🔗

Absolutely correct but the editorial content is now becoming more so as well.

209501 ▶▶▶▶ chaos, replying to reason, 6, #480 of 2468 🔗

Like the Telegraph it is very schizophrenic.. all articles in the Telegraph written by Global Health Security are those paid for by William Cunt Gates.

209666 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to reason, 1, #481 of 2468 🔗

We need the news editors to turn sceptical. That will be game over for the fanatics.

209500 ▶▶▶ Adam, replying to chaos, 3, #482 of 2468 🔗

It has taken them long enough to realize what an abomination of a government We have

209517 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to reason, 2, #483 of 2468 🔗

Is the DM the most popular daily paper?

209667 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Fingerache Philip., #484 of 2468 🔗

Apparently so.

209482 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 17, #485 of 2468 🔗

Victoria Derbyshire. Heroine to zeroine in just one hour. Quoted as saying she’d be breaking the “rule of six” and immediately not only apologises for hurting the feelings of the British people, but also says that when the family gathers, “we’re going to be sensible and buy a thermometer gun”.

There is nothing sensible about buying a thermometer gun. I’ve been having my temperature taken by uniformed goons at the entrance to Thai shopping malls since March and my temperature has never been above 35.8 degrees, usually much lower. Therefore I’m hypothermic, even though the ambient temperature is about 32 degrees. Also, having a high temperature is completely unrelated to whether you have the Wuhan Wobbles or not. More virtue signalling.

209498 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #486 of 2468 🔗

When your job is at stake…….

209510 ▶▶ chaos, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 9, #487 of 2468 🔗

Those guns are accurate to within maybe 1 to 5 degrees due to variables such as distance from item, repeatability… Useful for pointing at windows and such to detect heat loss.. on electronics to look for areas needing heatsinking.. or food to look for cold spots.. Totally pointless and worthless for detecting illness in mammals. But they look ‘good’ on TV and in the ‘papers’.. ramp up the fear.

209553 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to chaos, 6, #488 of 2468 🔗

There you are – use your knowledge to make a simple leaflet. That’s well explained in a few short words and exactly what people need to hear.
Set up a website with these leaflets for the rest of us to use.

I went to the demo at the weekend and such things were very badly needed. There were homemade banners but almost no information either for demonstrators or to give to interested watchers.

I took a pile of A4 sheets I did myself that morning and they soon vanished. There’s a real hunger for succinct and accurate information.

210305 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Rosie, 1, #489 of 2468 🔗

How about just a few small A6 sheets or business cards with something like ‘What’s really going on with Covid 19?’ followed by a link to this website.

210483 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Cranmer, #490 of 2468 🔗

Good idea

209556 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to chaos, 2, #491 of 2468 🔗

Long term to prepare us for having our micro chips scanned on entry

209894 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to chaos, 6, #492 of 2468 🔗

My daughter constantly breaks the thermometer gun they point at her forehead when she goes through the school gates. It often just stops working when directed at her. My theory is it’s her unflappable scepticism manifesting from her Third Eye to disrupt the tools of the Covidocracy.

209513 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #493 of 2468 🔗

I’ve finally realised (forced) that “I DO LOVE BIG BROTHER”

209628 ▶▶ Mrs issedoff, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #494 of 2468 🔗

Stupid woman. It would have been much better if she had just said that it was all a big load of bollocks and she was sticking two fingers up to Boris and his butchers. Of course she wouldn’t say that, another one too scared to speak the truth so comes out with wet statements like this. I hate so many people now that I don’t have much room left for many more. I know some people on here are more compassionate to the zealots/wets but I haven’t any time for them now, they are too stupid to garner sympathy from me.

209635 ▶▶ Coronamoana, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #495 of 2468 🔗

Just got back from a holiday in Greece where our temperature was take twice a day upon entering the dining room. We asked if anyone had ever shown a high temperature. She said that they hadn’t and most people were between 34 and 35 degrees.

209644 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Coronamoana, 3, #496 of 2468 🔗

bloody brilliant – that thermometer is obviously faulty

209753 ▶▶▶ watashi, replying to Coronamoana, 1, #497 of 2468 🔗

hilarious! thank you for the laughs (much needed)

209899 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Coronamoana, #498 of 2468 🔗

At those temperatures we appear to be facing the zombie apocalypse. Hilarious, isn’t it?

209976 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #499 of 2468 🔗

Victoria Derbyshire is a grade-A clown, some time ago talking to someone from Republicans Overseas UK re: Election buildup, rioting, & violence across cities like Portland, and she said brazen as anything to the guy – ‘Democrats do not support the violence and riots…’ – great, except Kamala Harris specifically said how they will not and should not stop, not going to stop before election day, after election day..’ – she also ignored the 13 Biden Harris staffers who donated to funds for rioters who demolished buildings and were responsible for at least 2 deaths inc. former Police Chief David Dorn (in addition the charred remains of a body were subsequently found in a looted pawn shop) the staffers promoted the funding on social media, some of them had it as a pinned tweet for weeks….

209485 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 16, #500 of 2468 🔗

Honestly, if creepy Joe Biden wins next week i see mask tyranny being here for the next five or ten years. Most politicians inc our Govt and opposition are compromised and corrupted by globalist billionaires. Trump is not perfect and he could, if he wins, still swing the other way like Boris did but he is our best chance at the moment. Soon any opposition will have to be formed away from the internet – i say lets get a crowd down the pub, oh, erm..

209494 ▶▶ matt, replying to nickbowes, 11, #501 of 2468 🔗

I’m fairly sure nobody is going to win next week. Prepare for a lot of drawn-out court cases before we know the result.

210302 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to matt, #502 of 2468 🔗

That’s my feeling too. It will be an acrimoniously disputed election, far more so than George W. Bush’s second term of office.

209552 ▶▶ Adam, replying to nickbowes, #503 of 2468 🔗

If Biden wins it will be a victory for psychiatric care

209488 Adam, replying to Adam, 7, #504 of 2468 🔗

End all this bullshit now get rid of this government and compliant Labour at the same time Johnson is commiting treason by using Foreigner’s in our Police force wake up Britain for christsakes https://www.remove-the-tory-government.org

209529 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Adam, 11, #505 of 2468 🔗

I have spoken to a friend in the Met

He says at least 60% of the TSG are Albanians and Romanians

Nothing wrong with Albanians and Romanians obviously

He said steroid abuse is rampant in the TSG

This might explain their physiques and the sudden outbursts of violence (roid rage)

The ordinary ‘bobbies’ will have nothing to do with them

209536 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Cecil B, 4, #506 of 2468 🔗

Have you emailed Toby with this info?

209550 ▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Rosie, 2, #507 of 2468 🔗

I should imagine he reads this

209583 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Cecil B, 4, #508 of 2468 🔗

He’s not got time, Cecil. Anything important should be emailed to him directly

209548 ▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Cecil B, 2, #509 of 2468 🔗

The German Police are far worse later on they will match through berlin with torches and burn books

209558 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Cecil B, 1, #510 of 2468 🔗

Similar reports in Germany.

210079 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Cecil B, 2, #511 of 2468 🔗

As you say, nothing wrong with Albanians and Romanians in general. But those nationalities have a significant presence in organised crime. Maybe the police have recruited some to help them deal with these criminal activities, but it seems a risky tactic with potential for corruption.

210085 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Edward, #512 of 2468 🔗

They’ve just recruited a load of people and brainwashed them by playing the phrase “allegations against mask refuseniks are credible and true”

209503 chaos, replying to chaos, 4, #513 of 2468 🔗

Firefox users… search for this add-on… works a treat.

Bypass PaywallsBypass News Sites’ Paywalls

209768 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to chaos, #514 of 2468 🔗

Top tip. Thanks. For most sites I had taken to selectively blocking javascript but it doesn’t work for all sites. Particularly The Times.

A strange on that I have is the Guido Fawkes site. I don’t use an ad-blocker but block ads at the DNS level using pi-hole. For some reason the Guido site still manages to detect the presence of an ad blocker which I haven’t been able to fathom even after examining the pi-hole logs or the website source code.

209506 Cecil B, 2, #515 of 2468 🔗

Plagiarising speeches, two can play that game

Handy Cock:

For the Handy Cock, I stand here for him. What to him from England?

Exeter:
Scorn and defiance, slight regard, contempt and any thing that may not misbecome the mighty sender, doth he prize you at.

Henry V. Act and scene whatever

209509 Jay Berger, 7, #516 of 2468 🔗

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1320032362550464516.html

Another debunking of masks.
Their use INCREASES infections because they turn droplets into far more infective aerosols.

As maskless and 2nd wave free Sweden, Tanzania&Nicaragua confirm.

209511 Mabel Cow, replying to Mabel Cow, 39, #517 of 2468 🔗
209525 ▶▶ l835, replying to Mabel Cow, 3, #518 of 2468 🔗

Yes please!

209546 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #519 of 2468 🔗

Mabel that’s brilliant. I’m useless at tech stuff, please someone explain how I go about adding my own text to that to make a leaflet.
I’d like to put some text on the front and some on the back

209569 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Rosie, 4, #520 of 2468 🔗

I create these posters using a free paint program called Krita , but frankly it’s a pain in the arse to use and I’d have difficulty recommending it anyone who doesn’t like banging their head against a desk. Additionally, the file is stupidly large so it would be a pain to share it with you.

However, it’s easy for me to change the text, so feel free to post some requests here and I’ll post them on baffledcow.com .

(Please note that I won’t post anything that would constitute encouraging or assisting a crime in English law .)

209582 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Mabel Cow, 5, #521 of 2468 🔗

How about putting this text on the back?

Open letter from medical doctors and health professionals to all Belgian authorities and all Belgian media. September 5th 2020 [extracts/paraphrase]

The course of covid-19 followed the course of a normal wave of infection similar to a flu season. There is nothing different from what we normally see. Close examination of the figures shows that there is not a second wave of corona.

The PCR test produces many false positives. The test does not measure how many viruses are present in the sample – but a real viral infection means a massive presence of viruses, the so-called virus load. If someone tests positive this does not mean they are ill.

Social isolation and economic damage lead to an increase in depression, anxiety, suicides, intra-family violence and child abuse. Fear, persistent stress and loneliness induced by social distancing weaken the immune system and general health.

Spreading occurs by drip infection (only for patients who cough or sneeze) and aerosols in closed, unventilated rooms. Contamination is therefore not possible in the open air.

Wearing a mask has side effects. Every day we now see patients complaining of headaches, sinus problems, respiratory problems and hyperventilation due to wearing masks. Some experts even warn of an increased transmission of the virus and brain damage to children.

Covid-19 is not a killervirus, but a well treatable condition with a mortality rate comparable to the seasonal flu. There is no state of emergency.  As doctors and health professionals we demand an immediate end to all measures.

docs4opendebate.be/en/

See also:
German neurologist Margareta Griesz Brisson MASKS ARE DANGEROUS

209770 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Rosie, 2, #522 of 2468 🔗

I’ve created a document with the muppet on the first page and the above text on the second page.

If you select “Print on both sides” when you print the document, you should get a handy single-page flyer.

There’s a PDF version for ease of printing, and also a Word version so you can fiddle with the text (assuming you have Microsoft Word, of course).

209959 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #523 of 2468 🔗

Ah – thank you 🙂 🙂

The PDF version printed out perfectly.

Have you any experience of creating A5 sized leaflets?

Here’s what my semi-blind friend tells me – that Lucida Bright is the best font for him to read, and there needs to be 1 1/2 spacing between the lines. I find it very readable as well.

Shall we communicate by email? I’m found here https://www.beautyandthebeastlytruth.com/contact-us

210350 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Rosie, 2, #524 of 2468 🔗

@Rosie: I pinged you via that website. Feel free to email me directly.

210488 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #525 of 2468 🔗

Great, I will soon Mabel.
I’ve been in touch my my friend who’s a small scale publisher and he’ll get the leaflet you linked above into A5 printable form,

209762 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #526 of 2468 🔗

No names of MPs or PMs, then Mabel? 🙂

209557 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Mabel Cow, 6, #527 of 2468 🔗

That’s my favourite so far – brilliant.

209515 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 14, #528 of 2468 🔗

I’m increasingly feeling that we are being duped with these so-called ”cases” figures. As Toby points out, some ‘testing stations’ are not exactly busy. Yet we’re told there are thousands of tests carried out every day. Are there indeed? And how would we know that for certain?
We really MUST stop using the word ”cases” – even Toby does it.

209612 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Banjones, 4, #529 of 2468 🔗

Not “cases”, “infections” or “diagnoses”, positive test results, PTRs. It’s not even a “casedemic”, it’s a testdemic. This newspeak really annoys me.

209746 ▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to DRW, #530 of 2468 🔗

Somebody sending fake invoices to the government?

209757 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to BJJ, #531 of 2468 🔗

It really could be as simple as that.

209521 djaustin, replying to djaustin, -2, #532 of 2468 🔗

Plotting hospital occupancy on linear scales for what is a nonlinear process makes no sense. Look at the slope on a log scale and you will see that the rate of growth for admissions, occupancy and ICU admissions is about 5% (14-day doubling) per day for both London and the North, although there is some evidence that the latter is slowing slightly perhaps as a result of Tier2/3 measures.

The down button is below 😉

209532 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to djaustin, 4, #533 of 2468 🔗

And the typical rate for this time of the year is?

209543 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to mhcp, 3, #534 of 2468 🔗

And the current level of flu hospitalizations?

209551 ▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to mhcp, #535 of 2468 🔗

Typically ITU and critical care are fairly stable due to use for other patients.

https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/03/MSitRep-SPN-v2.1-Ja7T2.pdf

209613 ▶▶▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to djaustin, 4, #536 of 2468 🔗

It does make one wonder why, in a country with 52.4 million adults, there are only around 5,000 to 6,000 Adult Critical Care beds. I guess efficiency has been prioritised over resilience. This absence of capacity was ostensibly the sole reason for the 23 March ‘lockdown’. What a costly decision.

209657 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 1, #537 of 2468 🔗

Not really, carrying undue surplus capacity “just in case” is inherently wasteful. If you routinely have enough capacity to easily respond to a once in decades event then you are wasting money that could be better used elsewhere.

When a big event comes along, you pay to increase capacity to deal with it as far as possible, and accept the consequences as just the price of doing business. If we’d just done that this time, without any suicidal lockdown nonsense, we’d probably have been fine.

209678 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to Mark, 3, #538 of 2468 🔗

But the winter ‘crisis’ in the NHS now seems to be an annual phenomenon. Admittedly, this does not only relate to critical care beds. I guess it depends how much redundancy you want in your system. On a purely cost-benefit basis, I wonder if the cost of maintaining an extra x,000 Critical Care Beds for several decades (even if mainly empty except for a few months in winter) would have exceeded the cost of the lockdown (the explicit ground for which was the lack of Critical Care Bed capacity).

209970 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to DeepBlueYonder, #539 of 2468 🔗

This process,of costing activities in terms of pounds per lives saved, is one routinely engaged in for decades, in detail and involving lots of high level attention. The reason the existing levels were arrived at is because a strong enough case could not be made for higher expenditure. As for the regular “winter crises”, these are not real crises in the sense of some kind of emergency requiring a policy response, they are just the expected increases close to capacity. There are obviously interest groups with media sympathisers who choose to portray them in alarmist terms, just as with any issue where state expenditure is involved.

210195 ▶▶▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 1, #540 of 2468 🔗

Well Germany has six times the per capita capacity as the U.K. but cancellation of routine care will be the consequence. The mistake is to think that surplus capacity has undue overhead.

209594 ▶▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to mhcp, #541 of 2468 🔗

The link from djaustin below shows that occupancy of Adult Critical Care Beds is between 80-81 per cent in September and October. It tends to peak in January.

209545 ▶▶ calchas, replying to djaustin, 5, #542 of 2468 🔗

A ‘covid admission’ is a patient who was admitted to hospitalf or any reason at all and has ‘tested positive’

If admissions normally ise at this time of year, as we know they do, then all that is required for ‘covid admissions’ to increase is for the false positive rate to stay constant.

Simple really.

There is no pandemic.

209577 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to djaustin, 4, #543 of 2468 🔗

No doubt you are still ‘expecting evidence’ but none again today from the weekly overall all cause mortality figures ‘ 670 mentioned “novel coronavirus (COVID-19)”, accounting for 6.4% of all deaths in England and Wales’, but ‘The numbers of deaths in hospitals remained below the five-year average in Week 42 with 184 fewer deaths, while the number of deaths in private homes and care homes were above the five-year average at 776 and 90 more deaths respectively.’

ONS

Not a good look for either the NHS or the government and its increasingly ridiculous looking advisors.

Enjoy your graphs. We all need hobbies in ‘these difficult times (not)’

210558 ▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to Tim Bidie, #544 of 2468 🔗

Starting to climb based on Week 42 data (week ending Oct 16). ONS only report five years in their release, you need a slightly longer view. Based on their 10-year data, there was an excess of 1020 excess deaths (95% CI 689, 1339). Those past ten years in full:

2010 9286 2011 8638 2012 9284 2013 9237 2014 9464 2015 9511
2016 9768 2017 10031 2018 9864 2019 10156 2020 10534

On only one occasion in the previous 10 years did deaths exceed 10,000. So we are 503 deaths above the previous highest recorded number.

That’s the problem with the law of large numbers, so predictable. Come back in seven days and give me your prediction.

211233 ▶▶▶▶ ChrisDinBristol, replying to djaustin, 1, #545 of 2468 🔗

Adjusted for population size?

211389 ▶▶▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to ChrisDinBristol, #546 of 2468 🔗

Population growth in U.K. has been 0.6% per annum. Even adjusting for growth, we are 5% over the typical number of deaths for week 42. It will be higher in a week’s time.

209885 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to djaustin, 2, #547 of 2468 🔗

I’d need to understand what you said before downvoting. 🙂

209522 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 3, #548 of 2468 🔗

We will lock your mouths SHUT. This was on my twitter feed this morning

209598 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Country Mumkin, 5, #549 of 2468 🔗

Silence of the Lambs?

209659 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Country Mumkin, 4, #550 of 2468 🔗

The Davos lot are absolute psychopaths.

209676 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #551 of 2468 🔗

Just read the actual link, it’s worse than I thought. Had no idea that was even possible. 2020 is full of surprises.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/10/engineers-face-mask-inactivate-coronavirus-covid19

210092 ▶▶▶ c s, replying to leggy, #552 of 2468 🔗

To quote: “ Face masks have been shown to be effective at filtering out viruses such as the SARS-CoV-2 virus, thereby reducing the risk of infection”. And yet no source is provided to substantiate this claim.

210750 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to leggy, #553 of 2468 🔗

Wearing a heated element in ones face… it definitely sounds like a torture element too!

209683 ▶▶ VickyA, replying to Country Mumkin, 3, #554 of 2468 🔗

I always suspected the Handmaids Tale TV programme was pre programming us. Every time I see someone masked up now, I think of that picture of Elizabeth Moss with a mask. Particularly when the main protagonist encounters the handmaid from another region who can no longer speak as her mouth is wired up. They don’t want to hear them any more.

209530 Chicot, replying to Chicot, 21, #555 of 2468 🔗

What sort of fuckwit is terrified of getting Covid when he’s 24 years old?! Sorry for those who dislike the word, but “Arron” is the poster boy for bedwetters.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-54694197

209533 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Chicot, 7, #556 of 2468 🔗

Liv is much more my cup of tea. Nice nose ring, too.
As for Arron, words fail me. Except TWAT!

209544 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 19, #557 of 2468 🔗

She get’s the last word too..

“I’ve worked through the whole pandemic in a supermarket. At the start we were told we didn’t need to wear them, so it’s just a bit far-fetched for me now.”

209573 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 13, #558 of 2468 🔗

Never crossed his mind that for 4 months no one wore a mask in his shop at the height of the ‘pandemic’
and he is still here

209754 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 2, #559 of 2468 🔗

The virus will kill us all tomorrow! And I’ve been saying that since March…

209603 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Chicot, 8, #560 of 2468 🔗

more BBC propaganda. How long did it take the BBC to find a snowflake like that ? In the shops i go into , staff do not give a toss .. most moan about having to wear masks

209606 ▶▶ l835, replying to Chicot, 12, #561 of 2468 🔗

Propaganda from a 24 year old Nazi who’s only concern is himself. Absolutely no consideration for those who are either exempt or don’t share his point of view.

209625 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Chicot, 2, #562 of 2468 🔗

There was a whole cult of covidoomers on the mainstream Reddit subs like that, obsessed with ICL-like apocalyptic prophecies. Much less now but there’s always a few remaining True Believers.

210295 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to DRW, #563 of 2468 🔗

There’s a good sub-reddit where the members spend most of the time laughing at the doomers (bedwetters). Good for a laugh a lot of the time. Highly recommended.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CoronavirusCirclejerk/

209690 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Chicot, 4, #564 of 2468 🔗

Oops! Sorry for terrifying you Arron bach. (I shop maskless in Wrexham). Enjoy your new job.

209759 ▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #565 of 2468 🔗

He’ll probably become a Covid Marshal.

209796 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Chicot, 2, #566 of 2468 🔗

Aaron is a complete fuckwit, lanyard showing they’re exempt, it automatically makes me uneasy.” Does it not occur to Aaron that by being exempt, lanyard on display or not, the exempt person is paradoxically putting themselves at greater “risk” by being out without a mask?

210269 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Chicot, #567 of 2468 🔗

“I’d just like them to be more thoughtful and think about others.”

He wants THEM to think about others, but he’s not prepared to!

Knob!

209542 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 13, #568 of 2468 🔗

Just switched from Talk Radio to music, i think i have had my twat quota for one day! although it is heartening to hear Julia HB lambasting these hapless lock-down zealots Julia asked one of them a question and they said something like i know what your going to do next , confound me with facts! His answer to all this nonsense was that unless we lock-down there were going to be huge numbers of deaths next week or the week after, project fear.
But they all foolishly and arrogantly seem to think they can control this will of the whisp virus and I feel that approach is working to our detriment. They are poring money into lock-down support and vaccine research but ignoring possible measures to live with the virus.
I feel that if we had poured this vaccine money into research on treatments we could already have more effective treatments for serious covid as a way of living with this virus. After all they never got a virus for aids but they have got effective treatments.

209579 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #569 of 2468 🔗

He was the business minister or something. Julia really interrogated him on the CV19 response from the government and he just fell back into spouting pre-prepared talking points. He couldn’t answer her.

209589 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Lms23, 6, #570 of 2468 🔗

Does that man now get off air think to himself, that was close I really couldn’t answer her, at least I saved my skin – I must look into all that because what she was saying seemed so powerful – I must learn more? If he doesn’then he is another on for the reckoning list. It is bad enough he had the arrogance to speak on national platform doing harm by speaking so badly, but to not fix his problems is condemnable.

210304 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Steve Martindale, #571 of 2468 🔗

…confound me with facts!

LMAO! What a nasty thing to do. 😉

Joe gets it.

‘We Choose Truth Over Facts’

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFPH4NCHZZo

209549 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #572 of 2468 🔗

Walking past the local testing station yesterday, I noticed more staff than idiots testees. In fact, there were so few people about that, as I waited for a car to pass before crossing the road, it stopped and the idiots testees inside it began to ask for instructions.

209624 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Nick Rose, #573 of 2468 🔗

That’s been the case at mine since it opened. There is a clear view from the passing A road and a security guard confirmed it.

210076 ▶▶▶ DickieA, replying to karenovirus, 1, #574 of 2468 🔗

My friends’ and family’s experience of testing stations also mirrors the comments above – empty.
This site must now have thousands of readers each day and there are certainly hundreds of people who post regularly. I’m thinking that we may be able to get enough volunteers so that we can do our own “audit” of every testing centre at the same time and on the same day. It would only be a snapshot of course, but at least it’s a way that we can see for ourselves whether the numbers may be bullshit or not.

209555 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 9, #575 of 2468 🔗

News just in – masks do nothing.

209610 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #576 of 2468 🔗

Provide sources for evidence. I’m not being picky. If coherent arguments are to be made against masks, lockdowns or any other Covid-19 issue then we need references to studies and reliable ‘expert’ opinion.

209689 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Mayo, 1, #577 of 2468 🔗

That’s fair enough but then shouldn’t the same apply to the Pro camp? Why do we have to justify ourselves when it should be them? They’re the ones destroying peoples lives. Their data should be unimpeachable.

210049 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mayo, #578 of 2468 🔗

It’s just a graph showing when masks were introduced and cases. Now, correlation does jot mean causation but we were told that because Vietnam wore masks they kept out Covid. So, it at least shows that it is and always was a ridiculous reason for pro masking

No source required.

209646 ▶▶ DocRC, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #579 of 2468 🔗

Ah, but just imagine how many cases there would have been if people hadn’t been forced to wear masks!!

209648 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to DocRC, 1, #580 of 2468 🔗

Yes, it would be into the trillions of cases per day had firm and robust action not been taken!

209751 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to leggy, 2, #581 of 2468 🔗

You can get covid more than once, so the whole population could have died several times if not for masks. Phew.

209576 mjr, replying to mjr, 4, #582 of 2468 🔗

just received this email from Clive Lewis MP (not my MP) on behalf of “March for change”

“Since July, I’ve been working with March for Change and a cross-party group of MPs on a rapid inquiry into the government’s handling of the pandemic.
Seven months on from the first wave of the pandemic and the UK is back to square one. Millions of people are facing lockdown again, our test and trace system still isn’t working, and the government still has no plan.
We cannot go on like this, and this is why we are launching a new campaign for a Covid-Secure UK .”

Basically it is an exit strategy.

Looking at the web site it is pretty much the carry on with the same shit but slowly ramp it down.

This is the first i have seen of this. Anyone else been contacted or come across this ?

209586 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to mjr, 15, #583 of 2468 🔗

“Covid-Secure UK”? Sounds like an invitation to start a forever war. Long live Airstrip One.

209596 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Mabel Cow, 7, #584 of 2468 🔗

At least some-one is standing up but “Covid-Secure UK” is not the right direction

209601 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Victoria, 9, #585 of 2468 🔗

No, just New Abnormal enthusiasts.

209604 ▶▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Victoria, 5, #586 of 2468 🔗

Sounds more like capitulation to me.

209633 ▶▶ Will, replying to mjr, 5, #587 of 2468 🔗

Sounds like covid zero to me. Fuck that for a game of soldiers.

209639 ▶▶ calchas, replying to mjr, 1, #588 of 2468 🔗

All varieties of the same regime.

Good cop, bad cop.

209650 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to mjr, 3, #589 of 2468 🔗

Quite devious really, a movement complaining that ‘millions of people are facing lockdown again’, whilst proposing what amounts to a perpetual lockdown.

209869 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, #590 of 2468 🔗

No one can out-devious the extreme left

209863 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to mjr, #591 of 2468 🔗

Clive Lewis is a revolting, Corbynista clown, almost as deep in the mud of pond life as Chris Williamson. Any position he occupies, the opposite is correct. In this case he merely wants the government to organise the people in straighter lines to march them to the lobotomy centre.

210651 ▶▶ chris c, replying to mjr, #592 of 2468 🔗

I have a cunning plan. Let’s do the same, only MORE

209578 Basics, replying to Basics, 20, #593 of 2468 🔗

https://www.thebernician.net/summonses-to-be-issued-against-every-criminal-mp/

Meanwhile, legally unenforceable demands that people wear face masks at work are becoming increasingly common and should be dealt with in a simple administrative process, using the common law to establish the indisputable facts, which I am in process of drafting a detailed template for.

However, in simple terms, if you are threatened with the sack for refusing to wear a mask, you need to send your employer a Notice of Conditional Acceptance, promising to wear a mask if they provide you with the following:

1. Evidence that masks prevent infection.

2. Evidence that masks don’t cause oxygen deprivation which can lead to seizures.

3. Evidence that breathing in your own carbon dioxide does not cause bacterial infections and respiratory disorders.

4. Evidence that wearing masks does not cause stress and anxiety.

5. Evidence that wearing masks prevented the spread of the Spanish Flu.

6. Evidence that dismissal for not wearing a mask at work would not represent a material breach of the Equality Act, which entitles you to claim compensation for discrimination, as well as unfair dismissal.

7. Evidence that the government lurgy has ever been proven to exist.

8. Evidence that the Coronavirus Act and the regulations which arose out of it are not adjudged to be repugnant and void under the common law.

9. Evidence that it is not a crime ancillary to genocide to collaborate with government policy, which has already resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths in care homes and hospitals.

10. Evidence that the government has not relied upon fraudulent data to frighten the population into fearful compliance with its legally
unenforceable diktats.

On the same link also read about:

Summonses To Be Issued Against Every Criminal MP
The barrister we have engaged is preparing to have summonses issued against every MP charged in the Private Criminal Prosecution, which alleges multiple COVID-1984 crimes against the People.

209593 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Basics, 4, #594 of 2468 🔗

Great information. More on the website

209608 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Basics, 6, #595 of 2468 🔗

Hi Basics – this all sounds too good to be true. Please excuse my now automatically-sceptical brain. Which MPs have resigned? I’ve heard no reports.

To date, ten MPs have resigned since they all received notice that the People were holding them to account for their crimes, but I strongly suspect that number will rise before we lay the charges. Watch this space for all the latest developments, as and when they happen.

If this really is the case, we could all write to our MP reminding them of their responsibilities and possible consequences of betraying their constituents best interests.

209654 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Rosie, -4, #596 of 2468 🔗

I have heard of one to resign. Perhaps you would like to answer your own question by using a search engine of your choice.

209706 ▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Basics, 5, #597 of 2468 🔗

Basics I thought we were about educating and helping each other. Rosie provides an awful lot of info on here without request that helps build all our knowledge. If we don’t share what is the point of the comments?

209901 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Basics, 1, #598 of 2468 🔗

He didn’t even resign as an MP. He resigned an office.

The last person appointed as Steward of the Chiltern Hundreds was in 2019.

209677 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Basics, 1, #599 of 2468 🔗

Yes, I’ve kept a copy of this just in case it gets taken down

209581 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 20, #600 of 2468 🔗

Peter Hitchens on TalkRadio

“Those who persist in this [idea of lockdowns] and who refuse to listen to opposing scientific views… The time has come to remove them from office.”

9 mins 30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhAW99gPcEg

209595 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #601 of 2468 🔗

The final two minutes of the above are especially good!

209590 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 13, #602 of 2468 🔗

The BBC running with ICL antibody crap is ridiculous. If it were true, we would see 100s of thousands of reinfections by now. Not just one or two questionable ones.

209597 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Sarigan, 3, #603 of 2468 🔗

Excellent point!

209616 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Sarigan, #604 of 2468 🔗

Yesterday it was all the scary unverified stuff from Europe, tomorrow ‘Covid falling from the sky’, again.

209623 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Sarigan, 10, #605 of 2468 🔗

I thought is was ‘science for beginners’ common knowledge that antibodies only hung around for a short time, but left behind a copy in the immune system memory library should the nasty be encountered again. That is if you are one of the minority of people who actually need to produce antibodies to fight off this minor infection…

Oh but its OK because the vaccine will produce a magic long lasting immune response!

FUCK OFF!!!

209640 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Major Panic, 1, #606 of 2468 🔗

Yep, more made-for-MSM vaccine propaganda.

209634 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Sarigan, #607 of 2468 🔗

The BBC … is ridiculous”

209636 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Sarigan, #608 of 2468 🔗

T Cells not antibodies – we all knew it for months

209637 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Sarigan, 1, #609 of 2468 🔗

Certain common sponsors say it all. Same reason Pantsdown keeps getting the mic without question.

209821 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Sarigan, #610 of 2468 🔗

As ever it’s journalism by press release without any hint of an attempt to investigate the claims, cherry pick the sensational bits, add a balanced counterpoint or otherwise publish the entire piece of research.

210335 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Sarigan, 1, #611 of 2468 🔗

I got as far as the word ‘Imperial’ and stopped reading.

I now consider anything that comes from Imperial College London to be fake ‘science’.

209617 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 6, #612 of 2468 🔗

Just seen a good one. Some psychiatrist is saying not wanting to wear a mask or socially distance is due to a personality disorder.

209622 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Smelly Melly, #613 of 2468 🔗

Have you got a link for that please?

210296 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to ConstantBees, #615 of 2468 🔗

Don’t read the comments unless you have an Indy account and are prepared to do battle.

209629 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Smelly Melly, 3, #616 of 2468 🔗

No doubt it will result in transfer to a personality correction facility at some stage a la clockwork orange.

209632 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Smelly Melly, 3, #617 of 2468 🔗

They will do anything to discredit non mask wearers

209643 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Smelly Melly, 4, #618 of 2468 🔗

Fuck off! Sounds like that psychiatrist has a personality disorder themselves.

209647 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Smelly Melly, 7, #619 of 2468 🔗

I’m struggling a bit with mental health as I am sure many are. I think I am on top of it, but have been tempted at times to get referred to a shrink and then explain how I am having problems because most people have become mad, evil or both, including many in the medical profession, and see what they say. If the shrink is a sceptic, it would be fun to hear their views, if they are pro lockdown then I would like to see them squirm and try and remain professional in the face of a client having problems who has basically called them (the shrink) a nutter.

209651 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Smelly Melly, 4, #620 of 2468 🔗

They recycling the old sceptic = sociopath shite again?

209660 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to DRW, 6, #621 of 2468 🔗

Soviet Union – pathologizing of dissidents.

209670 ▶▶ VickyA, replying to Smelly Melly, 10, #622 of 2468 🔗

Psychiatrists make up such disorders for a living. Many years ago all disorders could be listed on a page or two. Now it spans a volume or two. Keeps them and the drug companies in business.
I’ve just discovered one too, aversion to so called experts talking bollocks.

209742 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to VickyA, 1, #623 of 2468 🔗

If Frasier Crane and Niles represented the psychiatric profession then it all is literally a joke.

210082 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to David Grimbleby, #624 of 2468 🔗

Jon Rappoport absolutely annihilates psychiatry as a profession.

nomorefakenews.com

210185 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to JohnB, #625 of 2468 🔗

I had a couple of acquaintances who were top psychiatrists. Batshit crazy, both of them.

210260 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Julian, #626 of 2468 🔗

No physical symptoms for anything in their list of conditions.

Their profession-defining manual is entirely a product of groupthink.

209745 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Smelly Melly, 3, #627 of 2468 🔗

It begins. The mental health argument. They define the normality they want and pathologize everyone outside it. Result – most of America hooked on “meds” to “stabilise” their mental processes. Immunise yourselves – read Crazy Like Us: The Globalization of the American Psyche by Ethan Watters

209638 Janice21, replying to Janice21, 1, #628 of 2468 🔗

Hi, can anyone please provide links where it proves that the PCR test can pick up other coronaviruses and not just Covid19? Thanks in advance!

209696 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Janice21, 2, #629 of 2468 🔗

I’m not sure there’s “proof” as such, if different corona viruses have identical sequences in their RNA as SARS-COV-2 and the test is “looking” for that particular sequence then the answer is yes an RT-PCR will show a positive result for a different coronavirus. It is also suggested that one of the tests uses a sequence that is found in human DNA!

209741 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to p02099003, 1, #630 of 2468 🔗

What if we all catch that ‘DNA’? We’re doomed!!!

210032 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Janice21, #631 of 2468 🔗

This paper on the Bundesliga return mentions the picking up of dead virus.

https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2020/09/23/bjsports-2020-103150

210116 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #632 of 2468 🔗

Interestingly this CDC assay is a single test for both SARS-CoV-2 and flu

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/lab/multiplex.html

209642 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 2, #633 of 2468 🔗

More scaremongering headlines from Sky.

Covid cases jump 53% from last week according to ONS – scary shit until you look at the figures:

Of the deaths registered in Week 42, 670 mentioned “novel coronavirus (COVID-19)”, accounting for 6.4% of all deaths in England and Wales; this is an increase of 232 deaths compared with Week 41 (when there were 438 deaths involving COVID-19, accounting for 4.4% of all deaths).

Problem is that no one will look at the actual numbers in context.

209649 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Sarigan, #634 of 2468 🔗

How is it determined that these deaths are “accounted for” by covid?

209703 ▶▶▶ Mark H, replying to Julian, #635 of 2468 🔗

They died within 28 days of a positive PCR “test”.

209740 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Julian, 3, #636 of 2468 🔗

Easy, They had any kind of illness.

209652 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 1, #637 of 2468 🔗

Russia buying into the mask nonsense -from the Telegraph “Russian authorities have ordered people across the country to wear face masks in some public places and asked regional authorities to consider shutting bars and restaurants overnight after a surge in coronavirus cases.The consumer health watchdog told regional authorities to make masks mandatory in parking lots , elevators, taxis and public transport.”
Parking lots FFS? Where is the evidence ?

209705 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to arfurmo, 2, #638 of 2468 🔗

This is very interesting.Ramping up restrictions when they might just had turned the corner.Russia was the first European country in the seasonal wave.Started 2 months ago and as you see in the charts might just have turned the corner.In the other chart you see that restrictions were quite low compared to earlier.Herd stupidity.Ramping up just when they might have reched the peak.

209715 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, #639 of 2468 🔗

The other chart

209698 ▶▶ watashi, replying to calchas, #641 of 2468 🔗

thank you. I was just looking for a link to her video

209656 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 6, #643 of 2468 🔗

https://twitter.com/BallouxFrancois/status/1320954617979641858
“I never believed C-19 suppression was a good strategy for democracies in the temperate climate zone. The ‘Zero-Covid-but-a-bit’ approach applied over the summer was, I believe, suboptimal as it ensures infections get concentrated in the winter. Anyway, we are where we are.”
 Prof Balloux has made many interesting observations but it is a pity he was not more outspoken when we needed it most

209661 ▶▶ Sally, replying to swedenborg, 3, #644 of 2468 🔗

I’d say the good Prof Balloux has many splinters in his backside from sitting so hard on the fence for so long.

209662 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 4, #645 of 2468 🔗

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54696873 about declining antibodies, comment from Prof John at 10:33 tells the real story not the hysterical nonsense.

210398 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to p02099003, #646 of 2468 🔗

Gallagher’s articles are a disgrace! He says:

The news comes as figures from the Office for National Statistics show that the number of Covid-19 deaths in the UK rose by 60% in the week of 16 October.

No context at all.

From the ONS summary from today:

Our data are based on deaths registered in England and Wales and include all deaths where COVID-19” was mentioned on the death certificates.

Key word: mentioned ; i.e. NOT the cause of death.

209663 chaos, replying to chaos, 16, #647 of 2468 🔗

Jesus.. every MP so far on TalkRadio this morning, regardless whether red or blue.. same waffle.. same support for lockdown.. blah blah defeat the virus.. .. just totally brainless singing from the government hymn sheet. Never ends.

209849 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to chaos, 1, #648 of 2468 🔗

I think they calculate that a majority of the public are still absolutely terrified of this virus and are still convinced that we can defeat it. Any politician who came out and said the game is over we have got to live with this virus would lose much of their electoral support.

The public also have an absolute belief that the vaccine will save us all from this nightmare, what happens if/when the vaccine nonsense goes wrong I have no idea. We need a few more courageous MPs to step out of line and call out this hoo-haa for the nonsense that it is but no sign of that happening any time soon.

209665 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 15, #649 of 2468 🔗

Just had a woman in who organises the competition for the ‘Best Dressed Christmas Window’. She was wearing a visor that absolutely turned my stomach – it was dripping with condensation, absolutely revolting.

Bearing in mind we have georgian windows, may do a montage of Mabel Cow’s excellent posters!

209711 ▶▶ Paul, replying to kh1485, 5, #650 of 2468 🔗

I think you ought to have a ‘Mad Max’ dystopian post-apocalyptic hell themed Christmas window and call it ‘Xmas 2021’,I’m sure she’d like that.
I hate most masked muppets but the visor wearers almost push me to violence !.

209748 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Paul, 5, #651 of 2468 🔗

Thanks for the idea, Paul. A win-win: making a statement and it will piss off the BID woman! She’s already glared at my “House rules, there are no rules, come in and take a seat” sign.

209866 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to kh1485, 3, #652 of 2468 🔗

Is your cafe a front for a Fight Club?

209881 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Mr Dee, 2, #653 of 2468 🔗

Ha ha …

Well they do get a bit raucous some of these oldies. Just had to reprimand one miscreant. I said “any more of that laughing, and you’re out” And as for the swapping of phone numbers between strangers, I just despair … Don’t these people know, they’re not allowed to enjoy themselves in COVID Britain!

210001 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Paul, 2, #654 of 2468 🔗

Just have an empty window with a few dead flies in it and sign reading ‘this is what most shops will look like in 2021’.

209737 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to kh1485, 4, #655 of 2468 🔗

So, this woman, who would no doubt describe you as selfish, or maybe a ‘granny killer’, was using a device to collect her exhaled droplets, where they could then drip onto her hands or clothes and easily be spread to other surfaces, for example – ooh, let’s say, in a cafe?
But she’s got the moral high ground. [expletive deleted].

209758 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sam Vimes, 6, #656 of 2468 🔗

Yes, granny killer central here – the place is full of them and they don’t give a bloody sod! (per Maureen). Right now, lots of, ahem, what to call it, er …. rule-breaking going on.

The disappointing thing is, I thought this particular woman was a sceptic, but, it appears not.

209668 FrankiiB, replying to FrankiiB, 1, #657 of 2468 🔗

This is the story that SHOULD have been top news but wasn’t:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/fresh-coronavirus-vaccine-hope-as-elderly-respond-well-73h3nxnm7

It says the vaccine trials have produced a strong T cell response in the elderly.
This was the most significant worry and, if confirmed, is the most positive news for a while. Of course, the doom mongers don’t want positive news.

209679 ▶▶ Will, replying to FrankiiB, 11, #658 of 2468 🔗

And only minor side effects in the young… I trust you will be at the front of the queue to take the unindemnifed vaccine when it arrives. Good Luck.

209685 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to FrankiiB, 2, #659 of 2468 🔗

This is great news if the only force it on the vulnerable. However, it is not great news if they (as expected) force it on everyone.

209723 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to JHuntz, 7, #660 of 2468 🔗

It must not be “forced” on anyone!

209731 ▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to steph, 4, #661 of 2468 🔗

I think I expect tacit force whereby we can’t do anything without the vaccine.

209727 ▶▶ merlin, replying to FrankiiB, 5, #662 of 2468 🔗

Are these the T cells that wancok and whitty have denied the existence of for the last 8 months. Are these the T cells that provide immunity to covid for most of the population and mean herd immunity threshold is so low that there is no need for any mass vaccine?

209669 Jay Berger, 2, #663 of 2468 🔗

Ian Miller (@ianmSC) hat getwittert: @JamesSurowiecki @boutros555 @thereal_truther @BallouxFrancois Really confused how you think this makes the Czech Republic results look better https://t.co/9RzDj2XJ8D https://twitter.com/ianmSC/status/1318641038051823616?s=20

209673 Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 20, #664 of 2468 🔗

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-54694197

Arron is possiby referring to me in this article. I’m a maskless shopper in Wrexham. Sorry you feel so vulnerable Arron, but if you simply stopped to talk to me and asked why I do not wear a mask while shopping, I would be happy to allay your fears. The only thing keeping you in fear is yourself. Do some basic research, and engage your rational mind, and soon you’ll realise that I pose you no danger at all.

209721 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Mr Dee, 10, #665 of 2468 🔗

How did you and your colleagues across the nation manage for six months without masks, Arron? You know, including a time when supposedly a thousand people a day were dying? And several other questions, you prick. Kudos for your calm stance, Mr. Dee, I’ve run out of it.

209749 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Mr Dee, 3, #666 of 2468 🔗

It’s bollocks, government propaganda wank. Not even written by a reporter.

209760 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Mr Dee, 4, #667 of 2468 🔗

As soon as someone walks through the store without a mask or a lanyard showing they’re exempt, it automatically makes me uneasy.

How is wearing a lanyard safer than other non-mask attire??

209819 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #668 of 2468 🔗

Yes of course we now all have to be labelled, marked or branded as ‘safe’. Otherwise we are unclean, like lepers with a bell or Jews with a star pinned to their chest?

210310 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Marialta, #669 of 2468 🔗

Actually, those of us who wear lanyards are also considered unclean. I’ve had people recoil and back away from me.

210580 ▶▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to ConstantBees, 1, #670 of 2468 🔗

Me too. Harmlessly minding my own business an aquarium, I heard a woman several feet away from me say to her child: ‘Stay away from that lady, she’s not wearing a mask.’

210677 ▶▶▶▶▶ chris c, replying to ConstantBees, 1, #671 of 2468 🔗

Here’s total weirdness. I was walking unmasked through a wide path to the shops. An unmasked woman was coming the other way. As she got close she put her hand over her mouth. ???

209860 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Nick Rose, #672 of 2468 🔗

Mask and lanyard are both talismans to ward away the Covid Daemons.

210311 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #673 of 2468 🔗

I wear a lanyard to ward away members of the Covidian Cult. It’s pretty effective.

210666 ▶▶▶ chris c, replying to Nick Rose, #674 of 2468 🔗

Clearly he’s in the wrong job

209776 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Mr Dee, 4, #675 of 2468 🔗

People have no memory at all.

At the beginning – in late March and into April – there was no mask wearing. Checkout staff were unshielded by perspex screens.

This was the peak time for infection, as can be seen in retrospect.. Yet there was no evidence of supermarkets being a hub for infection.

209800 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 9, #676 of 2468 🔗

This lad’s attitude has set me thinking about the experiences of my wife’s grandfather. At the same age as Arron, he had been invalided from the army after being shrapnelled at Monte Cassino following a friendly fire strike from the Yanks against his tank. Before that he had participated in Operation Torch, exterminating Nazi bastards in North Africa.

Arron. Your trials and tribulations amount to nothing. Nothing. Look to the actions of your forebears for an inspiration on how to live your life. Will your grandchildren be proud that your legacy is a whining article on BBC Newsbeat?

209852 ▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Mr Dee, #677 of 2468 🔗

Amen to that Mr Dee. My late Father-in-Law could relate a similar experience: Chasing Rommel across North Africa and then onto Normandy where he was bombed by the Yanks at Caen.

209862 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to The Filthy Engineer, #678 of 2468 🔗

True hero.

210125 ▶▶ DickieA, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #679 of 2468 🔗

I’m also a maskless shopper in Wrexham. I thought I recently spotted another – must be you Mr Dee. Aaron does seem a tad precious.

210243 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to DickieA, #680 of 2468 🔗

Oh hello! Say hi next time you see me. I’ll keep an eye out for you. There’s not too many of us about now, since September.

209681 chaos, replying to chaos, 2, #681 of 2468 🔗

Just now on TalkRadio, CON MP Andy Carter talking about need for a vaccine and his wife who has ‘long covid’.

It’s a fucking cold. I hope his wife dies of arse cancer or breast cancer. That’s what I pray for. I will it. With any luck his kids will be run over by a car. Make them longer. Like bread dough and a rolling pin.

209695 ▶▶ Mike, replying to chaos, 5, #682 of 2468 🔗

All of which would be put down as COVID-19 on the death cert.

209720 ▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to chaos, #683 of 2468 🔗

Just made pretty much the same point in answer to your post above. Carter also said we would not know what would have happened if we hadn’t locked down, I was shouting “Sweden” at the radio very loudly.

209738 ▶▶ RickH, replying to chaos, 3, #684 of 2468 🔗

I don’t reckon that imitating the ranting of a Covidiot is a bright idea when claiming to talk sense.

209781 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to RickH, -7, #685 of 2468 🔗

I hope his kids get Leukemia.

209784 ▶▶▶▶ watashi, replying to chaos, 2, #686 of 2468 🔗

not a nice thing to wish on innocent kids.
Sending you hugs chaos.

209828 ▶▶▶▶▶ chaos, replying to watashi, -5, #687 of 2468 🔗

I hope he molests his kids and strangles his wife.

210098 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to chaos, 1, #688 of 2468 🔗

Step away from the keyboard !

209682 Basics, replying to Basics, 5, #689 of 2468 🔗

Untidy comment but you’ll get the meaning

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Not wearing a mask is linked to personality disorder, study finds https://independent.co.uk/life-style/hea

209687 ▶▶ watashi, replying to Basics, 2, #690 of 2468 🔗

scary stuff indeed

209688 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Basics, 21, #691 of 2468 🔗

Not wearing a mask is linked to personality disorder

Proud to have personality disorder that questions the narrative

209710 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Victoria, 13, #692 of 2468 🔗

When the majority are mindless automata, having a personality would seem to be a disorder!

209724 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Victoria, 12, #693 of 2468 🔗

I have a personality and I’m questioning dis order

210587 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Victoria, #694 of 2468 🔗

Me too, Victoria. Count me in.

209693 ▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to Basics, 5, #695 of 2468 🔗

I don’t think that will play well with the public – whoever thought this one up dropped the ball. Too creepy, even for the cultists

209701 ▶▶ Hoppy Uniatz, replying to Basics, 28, #696 of 2468 🔗

Well they’ve shot themselves in the foot with that one, haven;t they? A personality disorder is a medical condition, so that counts as a reasonable exemption.

209777 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 4, #697 of 2468 🔗

Oooh! I like this thinking!

209856 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 3, #698 of 2468 🔗

Brilliant!

210115 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 1, #699 of 2468 🔗

Great! Catch 22 argument.

210459 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Edward, #700 of 2468 🔗

That’s actually the perfect novel for these times. Catch 22 by Joseph Heller. Even the Wikipedia article will give you a good taste for the absurdity of the situation Yossarian finds himself in. Much like what we’re in.

210464 ▶▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to ConstantBees, #701 of 2468 🔗

There was only one catch and that was Catch-22, which specified that a concern for one’s safety in the face of dangers that were real and immediate was the process of a rational mind. Orr was crazy and could be grounded. All he had to do was ask; and as soon as he did, he would no longer be crazy and would have to fly more missions. Orr would be crazy to fly more missions and sane if he didn’t, but if he were sane he had to fly them. If he flew them he was crazy and didn’t have to, but if he didn’t want to he was sane and had to. Yossarian was moved very deeply by the absolute simplicity of this clause of Catch-22 and let out a respectful whistle.

209712 ▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to Basics, 4, #702 of 2468 🔗

I am grateful to the Independent that their paywall prevents me even attempting to read it.

209718 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Basics, 10, #703 of 2468 🔗

Not wearing a mask is also presumably linked to witchcraft or heresy.

210094 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Basics, -1, #704 of 2468 🔗

Not wearing a mask is linked to personality disorder, study finds.

They tried this a few tears ago re conspiracy theorists. Loads of us attended a public meeting they had, and put them straight on a few things. 🙂

209686 chaos, replying to chaos, 20, #705 of 2468 🔗

Anyone who claims they have long covid needs to be punched in the face several times.

209691 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to chaos, 8, #706 of 2468 🔗

All just attention seeking. Fix your health / nutrient deficiencies

209692 ▶▶ Mike, replying to chaos, 10, #707 of 2468 🔗

Agreed…but I think you would get very sore knuckles very quickly. Every twinge, sniffle and ache is being put down as long covid now by the sheep. Its becoming cultish..

209700 ▶▶▶ Mark H, replying to Mike, 4, #708 of 2468 🔗

Becoming?!

209702 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to chaos, 2, #709 of 2468 🔗

They are probably overweight and unfit.

210009 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Janice21, 2, #710 of 2468 🔗

I don’t understand why so many NHS workers are so fat, given the access to information and their medical training on its dangers, not to mention all the vigorous Tik Tok dancing. Is it all the chocolate biscuits left by grateful patients?

209709 ▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to chaos, 4, #712 of 2468 🔗

You weren’t listening to the Warrington MP on Talkradio were you. Said his wife had Covid, was recovering and then relapsed two weeks later, but no admission that it could have been a different infection the second time. We are stuck with the fact that tests for Covid are unreliable and that where a cause is unclear it is ascribed to Covid as the most likely, despite the similarity of symptoms.

209722 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Pancho the Grey, 6, #713 of 2468 🔗

Do you remember the days when people used to get common colds?

209851 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #714 of 2468 🔗

Got one now. It’s bliss. I’m enjoying maybe my last one before the Covids make colds extinct.

209836 ▶▶ Felice, replying to chaos, 6, #715 of 2468 🔗

Please go easy on the ‘long covid’ narrative!
I’m sure there are plenty who are indeed attention seekers and skivers, but post viral fatigue is real – I know 3 people who have suffered from it way back in the past. All three were active, motivated, normal people who went to being totally washed out and exhausted by normal activities. They all found the doctor to be useless – remember the sneering over ‘yuppie flu’? Got themselves back on track with loads of vitamins and gently increasing their activity levels, basically listening carefully to their bodies. Not one of them was attention seeking.
And my own daughter, who thinks she had covid back in March this year, says it took her several months to regain her fitness.
I think what I am saying, is, covid is a virus and a bad dose of any virus can do damage to your system. Just don’t blame every ache and pain on it!

209847 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Felice, 4, #716 of 2468 🔗

Yes post viral fatigue is real. It is due to nutrient deficiencies that becomes more pronounced during a viral infection. Solution: fix nutrient deficiencies

210015 ▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Victoria, 2, #717 of 2468 🔗

Yes, I’ve had it twice, after flu and glandular fever. It wasn’t pleasant and I took a while to recover to full fitness but that’s all it was and it should be expected, I didn’t go around claiming “long flu”!

210323 ▶▶▶▶ Felice, replying to Victoria, 1, #718 of 2468 🔗

Two of my friends got it whilst living in Brunei. The climate there is draining, what with it being so hot and sweaty so you lose minerals etc via sweat. Not sure if 1 was veggie at that time, but that might not have helped.

210698 ▶▶▶▶ chris c, replying to Victoria, #719 of 2468 🔗

Very likely damaged mitochondria. Probably intermittent fasting will help get rid of the duff ones and a ketogenic diet avoiding omega 6 oils may help replace them, but who’s going to recommend that? It’ll take time anyway, and as you say fix nutrient deficiencies

211265 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Felice, #720 of 2468 🔗

When I was in my teens, my Mum and I both caught flu. It took us many weeks to fully recover. Viruses can have long term effects. The media is making out it’s unique to covid, which it isn’t. A friend had pneumonia a couple of years ago, she took many months to get her strength back.

209982 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to chaos, -2, #721 of 2468 🔗

‘Long Covid’ seems to be becoming one of those ‘Lazy Cow Syndrome’ diseases beloved of overweight middle aged ladies in public sector employment.

209694 James Bertram, replying to James Bertram, 3, #722 of 2468 🔗

Do not miss out on reading the article by Stacey Rudin. A morale booster for all sceptics; reminding all of us here of why we do what we do and what we are fighting for.
https://www.aier.org/article/who-deserves-your-trust-in-the-covid-debate/

209806 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to James Bertram, 1, #723 of 2468 🔗

Fantastic

209704 Gman, replying to Gman, 9, #724 of 2468 🔗

I am pretty sure that the original dogshit models by Ferguson were based on an IFR of 0.9%?

Now that the WHO have accepted John Ioannidis’ figures, we know the IFR is between 0.15 – 0.25% (and even this is based on studies that were mainly from the early days of the “epidemic” before treatments that have improved survival rates by at least 30%.)

So to anyone who is concerned that without lockdowns the number of deaths would have been catastrophic we can easily argue that using the worst case IFR of 0.25% you get 90,000 deaths with the path we were going along before lockdown.

Although I am sure everyone in the country is aware of the above as it was headline news on the BBC last week.

209774 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Gman, 1, #725 of 2468 🔗

Although I am sure everyone in the country is aware of the above as it was headline news on the BBC last week .”

Sarcasm? (Genuine question, as I don’t bother to follow BBC propaganda feeds any more.)

209798 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Gman, 2, #726 of 2468 🔗

If it was on the BBC, which seems unlikely (not sure if you’re being sarcastic or not) it would need to be repeated daily for weeks, accompanied by the conclusion (lockdown was a mistake) before it began to counteract the relentless message of doom people have been hearing for months

209958 ▶▶▶ Gman, replying to Julian, #727 of 2468 🔗

Sorry, yes i was being sarcastic. I havent seen this stated anywhere.

210442 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Gman, #728 of 2468 🔗

I am pretty sure that the original dogshit models by Ferguson were based on an IFR of 0.9%?

It was, and supposedly based on 6 passengers (out of 689) on 6 flights out of Wuhan in January dying of the ‘plague’.

…we know the IFR is between 0.15 – 0.25%…

And, as you also said:

…even this is based on studies that were mainly from the early days of the “epidemic” before treatments that have improved survival rates by at least 30%

So the final IFR will be even lower.

209719 Jay Berger, 3, #729 of 2468 🔗

Anders Tegnell: “Herdenimmunität anzustreben ist ethisch nicht vertretbar” | ZEIT ONLINE
https://www.zeit.de/wissen/2020-10/anders-tegnell-corona-lage-schweden-sterberate-hygienestrategie/komplettansicht?cid=54624031#cid-54624031
Brand new Tegnell Interview.
They are not pursuing herd immunity, but recognizing immunities exist.
Interviewers shunning to ask about masks….

209726 JHuntz, 6, #730 of 2468 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd2-VY6roL0&ab_channel=NeilMcCoy-Ward

7 months of lockdown and London is an economic disaster.

209732 RickH, 4, #731 of 2468 🔗

The item re. ICU occupancy in different areas does raise one important question, namely : How secure is the data defining any occupancy/event as ‘Covid’ related?

This is the problem that has bedevilled any analysis ever since death registrations were trashed, and compounded when the flawed PCR results were taken as an indication of classification.

It seems ridiculous that this question should still be necessary 7 months intoabsolutely unprecedented restrictions on civil life – on the basis of a viral agent whose agency in any diagnosis is so questionable.

It is the reason that most of us use only ‘all-cause’ mortality as an indicator, and the confusion has not gone away.

209734 leggy, 3, #732 of 2468 🔗

Complete and utter lies about “inciting” the crowd to violence in this article. As a witness, there was nothing of the sort. Pretty sure we all know that the violence was dished out by the TSG to stop Heiko Schoning talking.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8879847/Man-21-mother-conspiracy-theory-influencer-amid-pandemic-brands-dangerous.html

209743 Sarigan, 6, #733 of 2468 🔗

Mike Yeadon yet again sums up the BBC immunity fear porn succinctly:

Incorrect. They’ve not studied immunity but instead the decay curve of circulating antibodies.
It’s normal for antibodies to fall if the agent disappears. Not a good marker of immunity at all.

http://everything.explained.today/Immunological_memory/

209755 PWL, replying to PWL, 6, #734 of 2468 🔗

Less talk, more do. Organise yourselves, defy lockdown, and deny access to the authorities who are looking to penalise. Do not compromise with people who want to comply. This is a wheat and chaff moment in history.

Action to end the interminable unlawful lockdown

209793 ▶▶ Julian, replying to PWL, 3, #735 of 2468 🔗

“Do not compromise with people who want to comply” – yes, but the risk is that many such people are persuadable given time, and once they are on our side, governing through fear becomes harder. By not compromising, we may risk alienating them. They are, in part, victims of massive global propaganda.

209848 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Julian, #736 of 2468 🔗

Agreed.

209767 Mark, replying to Mark, 7, #738 of 2468 🔗

Nice updated chart from Norman Fenton, professor of risk management at University of London

Blog post here:

Time to demand the evidence to support continued COVID19 lockdowns and restrictions

209771 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Mark, #739 of 2468 🔗

The green colours look really nice though…

209782 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Mark, 2, #740 of 2468 🔗

Request for help:
Please will a techie person make that into printable form – or ask the site to do so. I tried to message them and failed even to do that.

209791 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Rosie, 5, #741 of 2468 🔗

I’m getting quite frustrated. Lots of us complaining/moaning
We need to be active but I can’t even get basic materials together.
Please someone start a structured site with a choice of things we can printout, or add our won text to.
If we don’t get serious soon about the fightback it will be too late.
In fact I’m getting so fed up I’ll have to go and do some other useless activity and waste my time on that.
Can you all not see that we are running out of time and nothing in your life has ever mattered more?

209839 ▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Rosie, 3, #742 of 2468 🔗

I have to agree Rosie can anyone help with building a site to support this? I am going to start putting up posters at park entrances.

210053 ▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Rosie, #743 of 2468 🔗

I’ve transcribed the costs section of the diagram to an on-line graph visualizer.

The result doesn’t look like the original, but it gives you a scalable vector output (SVG) that should print better than the fuzzy original.

I have omitted the benefits section because it just reads like a straw man to me.

You can edit the text online if you want to fiddle with it.

210428 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #744 of 2468 🔗

Not straw man, they are very real, or plausible benefits to the lockdown policy. (though as it points out, the idea that lockdown actually saved any covid lives is unproven).

The point made by the diagram is that any honest cost/benefit analysis must surely come down on the side of not locking down (though the assessments for the relative box sizes are more or less subjective estimates, obviously).

Without the benefits side it’s a fundamentally different thing. Still useful in highlighting various costs, but not making the point about cost/benefit.

In the real world,. where tradeoffs are usually the most we can achieve, cost/benefit analysis is the sine qua non of competent judgement for policy making.

210456 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Mark, 2, #745 of 2468 🔗

Sorry, I didn’t express myself very well.

What I meant to say was that the benefits side of the equation did not appear to be written from the point of view of somebody who was actually defending lockdown.

The cost side has loads of boxes, but the benefits side had only a few. For me, it didn’t pass the “balanced reporting” test and so it appeared to be playing the same game that the government is playing, namely cherry-picking to support its argument. That’s what I meant about the benefits side being a straw man.

I firmly believe that the costs of lockdown vastly outweigh the benefits (if indeed there are any benefits at all), but I am well aware that holding that view puts me in the minority in this country.

Unless we can make a convincing case (which to my mind involves a fair assessment of both sides), then we’re just going to be preaching to the choir.

210798 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #746 of 2468 🔗

OK, thanks, I clearly misunderstood your point.

210306 ▶▶▶▶ Felice, replying to Rosie, #747 of 2468 🔗

Could you take a screen shot and print that?

209940 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Rosie, #748 of 2468 🔗

I guess by printable form you mean higher definition? I’m not sure how easy it is to increase the definition of a jpeg but you could try asking commenter Mabel Cow, who seems to know about these things, on the forum thread created for posters/t-shirt links:

https://forums.lockdownsceptics.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=638

210045 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Rosie, #749 of 2468 🔗

if you have a pc, just go to the source blog, click on the image until you get the original version. If you then right click, select “copy image” then paste to a blank document you get a very good printable version . Ive just done that and saved to pdf. Unfortunately i cannot attach it here

210010 ▶▶ Foxglove, replying to Mark, #750 of 2468 🔗

Thanks, i’m printing this one off for the village notice board.

209769 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #751 of 2468 🔗

Human beings remembering tyranny can be resisted in Barcelona:

https://twitter.com/boriquagato/status/1320859488828694530

209936 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Nick Rose, #752 of 2468 🔗

From BBC analysis The protests so far are not huge. The vast majority of Italians still seem to understand the need to tighten measures, fearful that cases are again spiralling out of control.
https://twitter.com/ISCResearch/status/1320867796977393664
 During nationwide protests against the C-19 restrictions, police officers laid down their helmets in solidarity with the protesters in Trieste

209938 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to swedenborg, 3, #753 of 2468 🔗

The vast majority of Italians still seem to understand the need to tighten measures”

Classic propaganda line from the “impartial” BBC

209772 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 7, #754 of 2468 🔗

Very important paper. Ct>32 Non infectious!!

https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciaa1579/5937368#.X5ZW6Fb05yU.twitter

Cell-based culture of SARS-CoV-2 informs infectivity and safe de-isolation assessments during COVID-19

“Of 234 samples collected, 228 (97%) were from the upper respiratory tract. SARS-CoV-2 was only successfully isolated from samples with Ctsample ≤32, including in 28/181 (15%), 19/42 (45%) and 9/11 samples (82%) collected from outpatients, inpatients, and ICU patients, respectively”

Comment from Dr Mina(one of Project fear and John Snow gang!)

“Another important paper demonstrating evidence for low probability of transmissible virus w high Ct values. Here, the readout of culture positivity (able to detect viable virus by growing on cells) approaches zero once at Ct (Nucleocapsid RNA) >32. Consistent w numerous studies”

209779 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to swedenborg, #755 of 2468 🔗

Great spot! Many thanks.

209794 ▶▶ Will, replying to swedenborg, 1, #756 of 2468 🔗

Please forgive my ignorance, is a Ct value an RCT amplification cycle?

209842 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Will, #757 of 2468 🔗

Yes. Also consider that each cycle is 10 times amplification including noise

209797 ▶▶ SmokeandMirrors, replying to swedenborg, #758 of 2468 🔗

This should rattle some cages!
Highly significant.(?)

209921 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to swedenborg, #759 of 2468 🔗

Basically all testing laboratories should undergo regular quality control checks to ensure that they are not undertaking more cycles than necessary. Culturing a viable virus and determining the viral load would be the gold standard. Using 42 steps instead of 32 steps increases the number of detected viral particles by 1024.

209778 watashi, replying to watashi, 3, #760 of 2468 🔗

I`m trying to talk to a compliant but possibly ? slightly open minded friend about masks-sent her all the good links I can find. She comes back with questions about people in professions that regularly use them? Does anyone have any links to info about the health checks people presumably undergo if they are using a mask for work (pre-corona scam I mean)

209783 ▶▶ Julian, replying to watashi, 7, #761 of 2468 🔗

The classic case is surgeons in an operating theatre who wear them to stop bacteria dropping into open wounds – nothing to do with viruses

209789 ▶▶▶ watashi, replying to Julian, #762 of 2468 🔗

thank you

209804 ▶▶▶▶ anon, replying to watashi, 3, #763 of 2468 🔗

literally to stop spittle falling into surgically opened bodies

209814 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to watashi, 6, #764 of 2468 🔗

Vernoon Coleman states in Mondays Richie Allen show that surgeons do not need to wear masks and can choose to do so. He said there is plenty of research showing masks in surgery do little and so officially (NHS?) are not require or worn by all.

209809 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Julian, 6, #765 of 2468 🔗

There has been a study in the 1980’s I believe that showed that wearing a mask during surgery made little difference to contamination of the sterile field particularly if there was minimal talking.

209818 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to p02099003, 2, #766 of 2468 🔗

Its as done by Dr Neil Orr and plenty more studies proved that masks are not required in hospital settings that backed up this initial study.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2493952/pdf/annrcse01509-0009.pdf

Won’t put in the other links as it will go to waiting approval.

209844 ▶▶▶▶▶ watashi, replying to Awkward Git, #767 of 2468 🔗

thank you AG

209845 ▶▶▶▶ watashi, replying to p02099003, #768 of 2468 🔗

thank you

209843 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Julian, 7, #769 of 2468 🔗

Yep.. they are communicating with one another.. anaesthetist.. nurses.. they might cough.. they might spray droplets when talking.. the person being operated on has a hole in them. The mask is unlikely providing much of a barrier for viruses.. but it does hinder bacteria to some extent. If you have no symptoms, no viruses are travelling anyway.. masks for the masses are political.

209883 ▶▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to Julian, #770 of 2468 🔗

They also wear protective hats to stop hair falling in – so OP ask your friend if she plans wearing a plastic hair cover on that basis

209787 ▶▶▶ watashi, replying to Victoria, #772 of 2468 🔗

thank you

209805 ▶▶ 2 pence, replying to watashi, 2, #773 of 2468 🔗

I posted this one last week.
This guy is genuine, I checked his bio.

https://markcrispinmiller.com/2020/10/that-mask-is-giving-you-lung-cancer/

209808 ▶▶▶ watashi, replying to 2 pence, #774 of 2468 🔗

thank you

209810 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to watashi, 7, #775 of 2468 🔗

I work on the oil rigs.

We use BA sets (like the firemen) and other makes depending on the job for protection against vapours, dust, poisonous gases, smoke, low oxygen environments etc.

You have to undergo FIT testing and full breathing function tests regularly in addition to a full medical every 2 years plus full training for each type you have to use including hazards, working time, breaks etc

It’s not a case of “here’s a mask, wear it”.

209822 ▶▶▶ watashi, replying to Awkward Git, #776 of 2468 🔗

thank you AG

209877 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to watashi, 1, #777 of 2468 🔗
210023 ▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Awkward Git, #778 of 2468 🔗

I made pretty much this same comment recently, summarised as: that what we have now are the results of letting untrained people loose with PPE that they haven’t got a clue on how to use properly.

209820 ▶▶ watashi, replying to watashi, 1, #779 of 2468 🔗

I agree chaos, she s no doubt beyond saving but she is a nice person and I d like to think it`s worth a try? I could certainly do with more friends rather than fewer at the moment. Thank you for all the info

209825 ▶▶ chaos, replying to watashi, 5, #780 of 2468 🔗

Someone sanding something down will use a mask to prevent particles of wood etc entering the lungs. Years ago I would use such a mask when I worked on diesel engines when I sanded off the old asbestos containing gaskets from the cylinder heads. I’d wear the mask whilst sanding and then throw the mask away. The British Gas guys who put loft insulation in my roof wore masks because of the airborne particles of glass fiber disturbed during laying. People who spray cars will use masks with filtration, again to stop relatively large particles of paint entering their lungs and help with fumes. Doctors and nurses do not routinely wear masks. Surgeons wear masks to stop spittle from talking and coughs entering the wound (they are in very close contact when operating) but also to stop blood spray entering their noses and mouths. In a surgical situation the mask may offer some limited protection from pathogens such as bacteria and viruses, but the mask in surgery is worn for a short period then thrown away, not worn day in day out. Operating theatres are also postive pressure environments that push out air from the rest of the hospital and have slightly higher oxygen content as a result.

Your friend is beyond saving. I wouldn’t bother. You need an enquiring mind to understand why masks are a sham for viruses and your friend evidently doesn’t have this kind of mind. Let them wear their nappy.

209953 ▶▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to chaos, #781 of 2468 🔗

Tell her a visor is a sensible alternative (protects the eyes don.t you know), it is only a short step to forgetting to put it on

209838 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to watashi, #782 of 2468 🔗
209872 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to watashi, 5, #783 of 2468 🔗

This is what people who work with viruses in laboratory conditions wear for protection:

210982 ▶▶▶ chris c, replying to Nick Rose, #784 of 2468 🔗

Don’t give them ideas

210003 ▶▶ mjr, replying to watashi, 1, #785 of 2468 🔗

the simple thing to point out is that medics use PPE grade masks when necessary and change them every 15 minutes.
All the sheep do is wear one (non PPE) mask all day and then stick it in their pockets and then wear it again the next day.

209780 chaos, replying to chaos, 5, #786 of 2468 🔗

TalkRadio is just utter shite. When you have destroyed the country and handed out hundreds of billions.. why and how can you attempt to frame the free school meal thing as a left/right issue?

209803 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to chaos, 7, #787 of 2468 🔗

All about keeping the population as divided and distracted as possible.

209823 ▶▶ Mark, replying to chaos, 7, #788 of 2468 🔗

I agree it’s pretty stupid for the “Conservative” government to balk at this trivial piece of coerced pseudo-charity, given their wholehearted embrace of the magical money forest for lockdown bollocks, but it’s still a left/right issue: multi-millionaire lefty virtue signallers who are too hypocritical to get together and fund their charities personally, insist the government should give handouts paid for by taxation to some cause chosen for its ability to manipulate emotionally, and a “Conservative” government resists it in order to dog-whistle its core support to try to maintain a pretence it is meaningfully not leftist itself, and inevitably is portrayed as “the nasty party” again.

Nothing new. Pretty much the essence of left/right politics.

209831 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Mark, 2, #789 of 2468 🔗

There was a small demonstration for school meals outside the Houses of Parliament on Saturday. Two people.

Then a hundred thousand anti-lockdown protestors turned up and sort of swamped it. Related cause, though.

209960 ▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to chaos, #790 of 2468 🔗

You need to pick your presenters. Madeley is a very poor substitute for Mike Graham. Roll on next week when he is back.

209993 ▶▶ mjr, replying to chaos, 1, #791 of 2468 🔗

you cannot blame Talk Radio for that. You can blame the guests that they have on. Talk are fairly good at getting guests from across the spectrum and indeed will have commentators on at the same time from right and left who will argue from their own points of view.
And so for the topic of meals the government and supporters will support their own view, and the opposition and their supporters will support the opposition view. So it ends up right v left.
Talk did also interview others aswell to argue the point that it might be feckless parents stuffing high fat crap food into their obese and unhealthy children rather than broccoli as that is far too difficult and time consuming and interrupts tv watching. Turkey twizzlers anyone?

209786 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 7, #792 of 2468 🔗

Test centre sagas. This is Deeside testing centre, yesterday. Sorry for the poor quality.

209802 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Nick Rose, 5, #793 of 2468 🔗

I can hear the cold whip of an empty wind across a high plateau..

209817 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Basics, 2, #794 of 2468 🔗

I’ve not quite got the hang of the camera phone, I admit. 🤔 There were a few cars there, but a lot more staff stood about, bored.

209824 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Nick Rose, 5, #795 of 2468 🔗

I live right next to the Wrexham testing centre. Never, ever busy since the dempanic began back in March. Maybe one or two cars at most at any one time. Often deserted.

210041 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Mr Dee, #796 of 2468 🔗

This one is tucked away behind Zone 3 on the Deeside Industrial Estate. Shame the public footpath/cycleway runs right past it…

209840 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #797 of 2468 🔗

Tumbleweed…………

209861 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Thomas_E, #798 of 2468 🔗

Ditto for the Newcastle-under-Lyme, Bet365 stadium and the Telford testing centres we drove past last week – all empty.

Most I’ve ever seen in one was 2 people who ere not security of staff.

210086 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Awkward Git, #799 of 2468 🔗

So who the f..k is delivering all these trillions of ‘cases’?

210231 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to annie, #800 of 2468 🔗

Goats, pawpaws, etc.

210990 ▶▶ chris c, replying to Nick Rose, #801 of 2468 🔗

Looks a bit like a deserted prison camp. Crematorium on the far right.

209788 sjp97, replying to sjp97, #802 of 2468 🔗

Hi, just asking again here how to submit a post for consideration on the page? thanks in advance

209895 ▶▶ Julian, replying to sjp97, #803 of 2468 🔗

Email here to reach TY

lockdownsceptics@gmail.com

209790 Tony Prince, replying to Tony Prince, 2, #804 of 2468 🔗

At least Sky news Australia has the gonads to speak out about masks…..
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBR8-60-B28hp2BmDPdntcQ

209946 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Tony Prince, #805 of 2468 🔗
210151 ▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to arfurmo, #806 of 2468 🔗
209795 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 12, #807 of 2468 🔗

Police investigate reports of seedy looking masked man, waving his sausage at hospital patients:

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209801 ▶▶ anon, replying to Sam Vimes, 4, #808 of 2468 🔗

what a cretin sell out that pig public school boy is!

who do you think you are fooling bozo?

209812 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #809 of 2468 🔗

Is that what happens to the pig’s head? You know, afterwards?

209816 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Sam Vimes, 5, #810 of 2468 🔗

About time. He’s followed Rishi’s advice and retrained.

209876 ▶▶ Neil Hartley, replying to Sam Vimes, 5, #811 of 2468 🔗

his face literally now makes me want to puke.

209799 Basics, replying to Basics, 15, #812 of 2468 🔗

This post is not intended to irk. Lockdown Sceptics is the site and so the purpose of lockdown is of relevance. It has been established there are a group of Davos gathering shit weasels who have used the guise of SARS CoV2 and Covid19 to rapidly further their collective globalist aims. Quibble about where the virus came from and how the lockdown has been applied is important, as is what is cloaked in the darkness of lockdown. We all see society shifting, breaking down.

Lewrockewell has published an article with embeded WEF (Davos weasels) video. To quote from the WEF:

“You’ll own nothing” — And “you’ll be happy about it.”

“The U.S. won’t be the world’s leading superpower”

“You won’t die waiting for an organ donor” — They will be made by 3D printers

“You’ll eat much less meat” — Meat will be “an occasional treat, not a staple, for the good of the environment and our health.”

“A billion people will be displaced by climate change” – Soros’ Open Borders

“Polluters will have to pay to emit carbon dioxide” – “There will be a global price on carbon. This will help make fossil fuels history”

“You could be preparing to go to Mars” — Scientists “will have worked out how to keep you healthy in space.”

“Western values will have been tested to the breaking point.” – “Checks and balances that underpin our democracies must not be forgotten”

The Lewrockwell article continues:

“This is the agenda that has been set in motion by this fake COVID-19 Pandemic which was instigated by these people and the lockdowns were intended to crush the economy, set it in the direction of nationalizing all industry, and wipe out small business. They are developing passports that will require vaccines in order to travel. They are deliberately trying to reduce international travel to reduce pollution and to prevent mass uprisings against their new Communist Agenda. Yes, they are moving from socialism where you still own something to communism where the government owns everything.”

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/10/martin-armstrong/klaus-schwab-says-you-will-own-nothing-in-10-years/

What else is being cloaked by lockdown?

209835 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Basics, 8, #813 of 2468 🔗

At what point do we still call it tin foil hat when it is happening in front of our very eyes? When do we call a spade a spade. If it walks like a duck, swims like a duck, quacks like a duck, it’s probably a duck.

209880 ▶▶ tallandbald, replying to Basics, -1, #814 of 2468 🔗

But did you note that the web address at the end of the video is wef.ch – from China I presume. Perhaps not the western version?

210004 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to tallandbald, 3, #815 of 2468 🔗

.ch is Switzerland. .cn is China.

210074 ▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to tallandbald, 1, #816 of 2468 🔗

No .ch is the Top Level Domain for Switzerland

209807 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 4, #817 of 2468 🔗

https://twitter.com/Kevin_McKernan/status/1320548324487942144

This man is one who knows PCR in and out. He wants to use the PCR intelligent not what we are doing now. He also says that PCR is indispensable as up to 95% of all microbes can’t be cultured.
The slow viral culture can’t be used in a rapid pandemic changing scenario. But we must use the PCR with caution and intelligent, not what we are doing now.
An absolute read

209811 John Galt, replying to John Galt, 14, #819 of 2468 🔗

My initial prediction from many months ago was that they would hold Christmas hostage over uptake of the vaccine. It appears their plan for a December vaccine was quashed, so now I imagine they’re going to hold Christmas hostage over testing. They’ve already starting priming us with stories about it:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-54697113
https://www.thejournal.ie/home-for-christmas-testing-5242534-Oct2020/
https://metro.co.uk/2020/10/24/covid-saliva-tests-which-give-results-in-15-minutes-could-be-ready-by-christmas-13473359/

Then something like this will happen:

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They’re well aware people won’t comply with the rules for Christmas, so they’ll spin it however they like. There’ll likely be another fancy new buzzword, a “temporary relaxation break” or some such nonsense, and then they’ll pull out all the test numbers from prior to Christmas to plunge us headlong back into the insanity.

Note as well the wording in the Metro article:

Millions of the on-the-spot saliva swabs could be rolled out to help keep offices and schools open during the second wave. Football stadiums, concert arenas and theatres could also welcome back customers who test negative on the door.

Prime Minister Boris Johnson remains ‘hopeful’ that ‘we could be able to get some aspects of our lives back to normal by Christmas’.

This is exactly what a lot of us on here predicted would happen regarding the vaccine, not allowing us to do things without it, but they seem to be rolling out their plans regardless of the vaccine and just applying it to a different method. I remember a couple of months back a few of us argued with someone on here about this prediction. They said we were purposely spreading nonsense to “undermine the credibility of the site”. Sadly, it’s playing out as expected so far.

209917 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to John Galt, 1, #820 of 2468 🔗

I’ve been sceptical for some time about ‘the vaccine’ because if it is billed as a miracle cure, once you’ve had it, there’s no more money for big pharma. If this is all really about increasing state control, governments need to adapt society to be on a perpetual war-footing with (largely harmless) diseases, in order to increase their power. They can’t go back to the ‘old normal’ with a miracle vaccine.

210029 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Cranmer, -2, #821 of 2468 🔗

It’s a reluctance to hand back power grabbed in March. This is standard politicians’ pathological need for control. I do notice that the conspiracy theory attached to “health passport” has already mutated into something else now it looks like there won’t be a vaccine, which underlines its weaknesses.

Old normal will return once enough people say it will. We just need to prod them to stand up for themselves.

210263 ▶▶▶▶ John Galt, replying to Nick Rose, #823 of 2468 🔗

Oh, I’ve just read this again and realised what you were saying. You’re saying that the “conspiracy theory” around health passports being used for the vaccine had to be changed because the vaccine doesn’t look likely to be used when health passports are first released. So according to you, it’s all obviously wrong.

The plan was likely for the vaccine to be released around December, as per all the news stories priming us for it:

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-04-17/coronavirus-vaccine-could-possibly-be-available-in-uk-by-christmas-expert-tells-the-itv-news-podcast
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/22/dr-fauci-is-still-confident-us-could-have-a-coronavirus-vaccine-by-december.html
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/11/coronavirus-vaccine-health-secretary-alex-azar-december
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/12/russia-coronavirus-vaccine-has-been-researched-for-six-years.html

For whatever reason, it was delayed. They seem to be going ahead with the health passport regardless and instead they’re linking it to testing now. So, sure, it looks like the health passport isn’t going to be initially used with the vaccine – but do you honestly think that they won’t link it to the vaccine once the vaccine is released? I really despair if you can’t see the logical steps.

209815 MutzNutz, replying to MutzNutz, 3, #824 of 2468 🔗

Chris Whitty ‘Confession’?
Hardly. It’s a clip from a Downing St press briefing from some time ago. I remember it quite well. Just look at the wood panelling behind him and the bottom of the light fitting. Doesn’t do the Lockdown Sceptic cause any favours with this kind of lazy ‘gotcha’ bollox

209837 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to MutzNutz, 1, #825 of 2468 🔗

The linked video appears to have disappeared from the blog.

209846 ▶▶ MutzNutz, replying to MutzNutz, #826 of 2468 🔗

I see the round up list has now been edited and the link has stopped working?

209870 ▶▶ CGL, replying to MutzNutz, 1, #827 of 2468 🔗

There was a video of a talk he did at Gresham College where there was panelling. Think that was from a while ago.

209920 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to MutzNutz, #828 of 2468 🔗

This is what Toby should post:

Here is a link to video I downloaded from the Parlaimentlivetv website of CMO Whitty stating:

“If you look at the R, and the behaviours, quite a lot of the change that led to the R going below one occurred well before, or to some extent before, the 23rd, when the full lockdown started.”

https://1drv.ms/v/s!Agv7JEO8MngCiSmT-rY5ChSI9LV-

It’s 23 MB so too big too e-mail.

You can download it yourself on their website – set the start time at 10:58:00 and end time as 11:01 – their instructions are easy to follow.

210490 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to MutzNutz, #829 of 2468 🔗

Already pointed out in my post above. I also supplied the full text of what he said.

As you say, though; it’s hardly a confession.

209834 Basics, 3, #830 of 2468 🔗

Dr Vernon Coleman Juggles (badly)
https://youtu.be/peTcSVZc0UI

Youtube says he now has 177k subscribers – he posts videos to Brandnewtube now since youtube censorship deleted his work.

209841 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #831 of 2468 🔗

On BBC Breakfast this morning there was a report that claimed that people who had had coronavirus only retain immunity for a few months (the methodology sounded bonkers but it really wasn’t possible to assess given the way the BBC conducted the interview). Anyhow, on the basis of this conclusion, viewers were told this means we have to have a vaccine. I note this nonsense because it mirrors precisely what Fauci told Andrew Marr on Sunday, when he claimed that immunity is only possible via vaccine. I suspect that this Just So story is about to become the official narrative.

209853 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #832 of 2468 🔗

Yes it is to do with the vaccine selling propaganda. LS knew for months that it has to do with T Cells and not antibodies. We don’t need antibodies as the T Cells will do their job

209906 ▶▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to Victoria, 6, #833 of 2468 🔗

Inate immune system first which is mucus in the nose and throat, the T cell and then only if needed antibodies which don’t work very well against viruses. We don’t keep producing antibodies for no reason but we do keep the ability to produce them when needed.

209947 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to 6097 Smith W, #834 of 2468 🔗

Exactly. If we kept producing antibodies for every virus that has ever threatened us, we’d have no room for blood.

209992 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to 6097 Smith W, 3, #835 of 2468 🔗

“ We don’t keep producing antibodies for no reason but we do keep the ability to produce them when needed.” <<< THIS! This is one of those glaringly obvious points that was made effectively months ago by genuine experts, but that is overwhelmingly, routinely ignored

209868 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #836 of 2468 🔗

Perhaps some medical people here can comment with more knowledge but to my mind all this testing has given us a huge number of +ve test results from people who are asymptomatic or very mild. I know some will be false +ve but many will be correct. To my mind if you have a virus which can kill some people and seriously debilitate others but you have no or only slight symptoms then you are immune. Your body has successfully fought of the virus to the extent that you are not ill. I always thought that is what immunity means?

So that when they assess immunity levels in the County they should start with everybody who tested +ve but was asymptomatic or mild.

209871 ▶▶ Mr Bee, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #837 of 2468 🔗

If you only have immunity for a limited time from catching the real thing how long do they think the vaccine will last for? Months, weeks, days, hours?? And that’s if you believe that a vaccine will actually work. Beggars belief.

209902 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Mr Bee, 2, #838 of 2468 🔗

And even if the vaccine works it will simply create “job opportunities” for other pathogens (maybe novel ones) in the poorly functioning lungs of very old people. Vaccines don’t magically make old lungs young again.

210011 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to OKUK, #839 of 2468 🔗

Vaccines have the smallest effect in older people anyway. C’est la vie.

209998 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Mr Bee, #840 of 2468 🔗

I was advised against having the cholera vaccine because “it’s only 70% effective and you’re better off observing careful hygiene”

209889 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #841 of 2468 🔗

Of course missing the point that you don’t need a vaccine anyway because to the vast majority of the population it is a mild disease. Nothing to see.

209916 ▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #842 of 2468 🔗

A report by imperial college London
Nuff said really

210496 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to 6097 Smith W, #843 of 2468 🔗

Nuff said really

Spot on, Winston. 🙂

209943 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #844 of 2468 🔗

Google Memory T Cells.

209971 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Steve Hayes, #845 of 2468 🔗

My belief has been that this virus appears to be little more than an unvaccinated flu in effect.

All the talk now of a vaccine seems to confirm my belief and that once one comes along the virus will be on a par with the flu.

210025 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Nobody2020, #846 of 2468 🔗

The virus is on a par with flu. The World Health Organisation has stated that the fatality rate is 0.2%, and that is without a vaccine. And the WHO has a track record of over-stating the fatality rate of this virus. The actual fatality rate is probably more like 0.1% and nearly all of those deaths are the elderly with comorbidities.

209999 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #847 of 2468 🔗

On the BBC this is something to behold. On the day 48 people are reported as dying from a flu vaccine in South Korea and the Philippines have haulted their programme due to concerns they state:

“Flu Vaccine Not Linked To Deaths”

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-54655278

It’s outright propaganda

210062 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #848 of 2468 🔗

So, according to this BBC story, they do not know the cause of death but they do know it is not the result of the flu vaccine because the government said so. I wonder how the BBC would have covered this if the country had been North rather than South Korea?

This morning on the BBC they had someone on stating that China is lying about the number of coronavirus cases. The anchor, Victoria Derbyshire, fully agreed although neither she nor the interviewee had even a scintilla of evidence. Yet interestingly they also both agreed that China has a completely effective track and trace system because it is an authoritarian country. And of course every day the BBC demands that the government in this country should implement such a track and trace system.

210099 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Steve Hayes, #849 of 2468 🔗

Indeed it’s so obviously biased.

210121 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #850 of 2468 🔗

Thye are just repeating what the Koreans are saying, nothing but copy and paste journalism at it’s best.

209854 Roadrash, replying to Roadrash, 16, #851 of 2468 🔗

Does anyone think that a site like this is actually achieving anything apart from giving like minded people the chance to blow off steam and share information? Been on here more or less since it’s inception with the occasional post yet it seems despite the weight of evidence on so many levels about the virus and Governments draconian and useless responses to it, none of it has made any difference. The clowns in charge continue on the merry track with ever more lockdowns. With few exceptions MSM continues to pump out bilge reporting. The population at large is compliant. I don’t think anything makes any difference to the position we all find ourselves in. Maybe I’m just a massive pessimist, but I can’t see any positive outcome to any of this.

209864 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Roadrash, 15, #852 of 2468 🔗

Yes. Try a simple thought experiment. Imagine 2020 without this site. Remove the site from 2020.

209865 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Roadrash, 31, #853 of 2468 🔗

Even if it’s just to blow off steam that is fine and a big plus is knowing you are not alone but there are others out there who feel the same.

209867 ▶▶ Neil Hartley, replying to Roadrash, 8, #854 of 2468 🔗

We have to protest in whatever way we can.

209873 ▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to Roadrash, 14, #855 of 2468 🔗

I’ve opened the eyes of a couple of people by sending them here – it’s a good resource and change happens in ones and twos at first, before critical mass takes over. Every little helps.

209887 ▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Roadrash, 10, #856 of 2468 🔗

I have been skeptical about this phoney pandemic ever since I saw some of Hector Drummond’s earlier graphs which he entitled ‘Nothing to see here’. As lockdowns persisted and belief increased amongst the population, stoked by the 24 hour media fear machine, I constantly ask myself is it me who’s got it wrong. This site provides the reassurances that my ‘gut’ was right all those months ago and I won’t buckle under pressure from the masked morons. Stick with it Rr…

209933 ▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to T. Prince, 5, #857 of 2468 🔗

Not wishing to big myself up too much, but on a what’sapp thread with my friends on the day lockdown was introduced back in March I said ‘this is the way the world ends, not with a bang but a whimper’. It turns out my gut was correct too 😉

209890 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Roadrash, 8, #858 of 2468 🔗

In the early days this site was oasis of sanity amid all the madness.It has enabled me to educate myself through the links and comments and to realise I’m not alone.
The weight of evidence has had no effect because it is clearly no longer about a virus if it ever was.
I agree that it seems if we just go around in circles but if someone is new then this information is important to them as it gives a basis to question the official narrative.
The population is still compliant but there is a massive shift in attitude ;as more lives are impacted by the government measures taken then more will wake up. The more that wake up,the more resist and the government only rules with our consent,as it doesn’t have the numbers in police or Army to force its will.

209891 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Roadrash, 10, #859 of 2468 🔗

The tide is turning, in part because people on here share information and encouragement and then persuade others. It’s also important to record some of this for posterity.

209897 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Roadrash, 9, #860 of 2468 🔗

It took over 30 years to tear down the Berlin Wall; covid is our Berlin wall, at the moment we are dismantling it slowly one brick at a time but we cannot give up now. People have invested a huge amount in Covid fear and terror they are not going to be turned round easily but it will happen. The presenters on talk radio keep going on at the politicians, they look at this site (Julia HB follows Toby on twitter) they know that they are not alone but have a body of opinion behind them.

209932 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #861 of 2468 🔗

They are going to make sure that can’t happen again. We’ve got weeks not years to get some real change to popular opinion.

210061 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Rosie, 6, #862 of 2468 🔗

If it takes years then we will take years. I don’t care. Life is fir living and I will NEVER give it up to zombiedom..

209918 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Roadrash, 4, #863 of 2468 🔗

There will be Conservative MPs and media commentators who regularly tune in here I’m sure.

209929 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Roadrash, 4, #864 of 2468 🔗

I’m asking similar questions. We need some coordinated activism and to actually get out there day after day and do something useful. First for this we need a resource with leaflets that we can printout/adapt/take to a print shop.
Personally I’m hampered by very poor IT skills and only wish we could get some momentum going.
I went to the London demo on Sunday with some homemade leaflets and they disappeared within half an hour, people were so eager for them. There’s so much more we need to do right now if this is to be stopped and I can’t see it happening.

210870 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Rosie, #865 of 2468 🔗

Coordinated activism sounds just what we need now. Lots of people have done leaflets, could they become a centralised resource on this site?

209930 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Roadrash, 1, #866 of 2468 🔗

I think the site does indeed have a really useful function as a repository for some really good hard information and data. That can then be passed on, and used to fill out arguments.

But you’re partially right – sometimes threads are extended hot air powered by the frustration that we all feel. Nothing wrong with that in moderation – but an excess of blowing off just gets tedious, and just bellyaching about those who have been brainwashed doesn’t really confront the problem.

Similarly, the diversion into other pet hobby-horses that sometimes occurs is a bit of a waste of space and detracts from the key focus.

209948 ▶▶ Maccynic, replying to Roadrash, 2, #867 of 2468 🔗

Per Mr Delingpole. Actions speak louder than words. Don’t wear the mask. Let’s virtue signal back at them.

On that point can we survey all the ‘positive cases’ and see how many have been wearing masks obediently. Cf those who haven’t, and are virus free.

Thought not.

209988 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Roadrash, 2, #868 of 2468 🔗

At the moment I think it’s mostly about staying sane

210020 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Roadrash, 1, #869 of 2468 🔗

Don’t underestimate the value of a place to blow off steam! Many visitors who never post will also take comfort in Toby’s work and comments BTL. The information shared is then shared again with friends, family, acquaintances, MPs and other public officials. Perseverance and sheer bloody mindedness can still make a difference. There will be a critical mass for scepticism – we don’t know what it is but that’s all the more reason to plough on.

210051 ▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to Roadrash, 4, #870 of 2468 🔗

On a personal level, I appreciate greatly the knowledge, humanity and thoughtfulness of so many of the contributions to this website. Not to mention the incredible wit and humour of many of the comments.

210057 ▶▶ annie, replying to Roadrash, 6, #871 of 2468 🔗

Thus site has kept me informed, about both the prevailing insanity and the fight of the sane against it. It has showed me the way to resist nappying. It has inspired me to fight back in my own small way. It keeps me in constant touch with other sane people. It is worth its weight in virtual gold.

210150 ▶▶ Jonathan Smith, replying to Roadrash, 3, #872 of 2468 🔗

Karol Sikora
John Ionaddis
Carl Hennegan
Sunetra Gupta
Martin Kulldorf
Knut Wittowski
Jay Battycharya
Mike Yeadon
John Lee
Et al….

All put themselves on the frontline. I’m sure they’re bolstered by having a constituency behind them as well as a vector to disseminate their ideas rather than distort them.

210159 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Roadrash, 5, #873 of 2468 🔗

I think that every time one of us behaves in a normal and sane way that is a tiny act of resistance to the public hysteria. Just on the question of masks, for instance: I think every time I don’t wear one there is a chance that somebody else sees it and it disrupts the mindless compliant consensus. This site makes it easier for me to do that, because I know that there are other people also not wearing masks all over the country.
Also, honestly, people here often make me laugh. Given my stress, sadness and isolation that is an excellent thing.

210538 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Roadrash, 2, #874 of 2468 🔗

…none of it has made any difference

Yes, it has!

I, and others, have had posts made and information posted on here noticed and expanded in the main articles Toby and Will write.

I had a post on the Gov.uk’s fake ‘admissions’ numbers noticed by Toby’s ‘senior NHS doctor/surgeon’, and he wrote a piece on this. Member BobT has also produced NHS bed data noticed by him.

If he is seeing this sort of thing here, he is no doubt discussing it with colleagues, friends, associates..

Member Awkward Git writes letters, FOIs and guides to MPs, Government departments and businesses. These are used by many members to get the word out.

Member Mabel Cow and others are producing leaflets, posters, badges, you name it.

You may not think it makes a difference when the government seem to stick to their plans, but it does! It gets people talking, it gets people thinking, and that’s a damn good thing in my opinion.

Massive optimist here.

Edit: I also reckon that since the site is quite famous, you can bet your bottom dollar that MPs are reading it. Whether that makes a difference, I don’t know, but it might.

209855 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 29, #875 of 2468 🔗

The friend whom I joined for our weekly walk this morning, opined that anyone who doesn’t wear a mask should see a GP to get an exemption letter.

Not so, not required, doctors not interested and I’ve got an exemption badge, legitimately worn, as I know what’s best for me, and I won’t compromise my well being with a gag.

Silence, then, ‘Well it’s not good enough; GP letters must be issued and carried at all times’.

She’s shaping up to become a Covid Enforcer, so in thrall is she to these ridiculous and patently useless rules.

She’d also ticked off a woman in a shop, who’d inadvertently breeched the 2 metre orders by standing within touching distance.

Finally, not seemingly aware of the implicit contradiction in her words, she said that she was annoyed because she’d had to call the GP surgery to remind them that she wanted a scan: why had she had to do this, when it should have been arranged without her reminder?

I wearily pointed out the NHS is in disarray, that tests, operations, crucial follow up appointments etc, have all been dumped in the lost and found, because Calamitous Covid is the greatest threat to befall humanity since records began and, We Must Stop The Spread.

If this entails cessation of respiration and normal physiological function, so be it: we shall have done our bit and ensured Covid deaths will no longer haunt us.

Of course we’ll all be moribund by then, but we must get our priorities in order.

Why O why O why are seemingly well educated folk mutating into officious censorious busybodies?

Someone tell me; I’m at a loss to account for this

209879 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to wendyk, 10, #876 of 2468 🔗

The BMA have discussed this with the Government and have advised the GPs that they should not get involved in the face-mask exemption issue and should not issue any letters. I have a print out of a medical practice information notice to that effect which I carry with me in case challenged (never actually needed). So this person should be informed that GPs have been advised not to issue exemption letters.

209908 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Steve Martindale, 7, #877 of 2468 🔗

I told her this and it didn’t seem to penetrate the automatic disapproval setting. Of course, she knows now that I’m exempt and this should, hopefully,provide food for thought.

209955 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to wendyk, 5, #878 of 2468 🔗

People don’t want to face the awful truth, so they instinctively shut down when presented with arguments that undermine the narrative

209882 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to wendyk, 7, #879 of 2468 🔗

I think the NHS have instructed GPs not to issue exemption notes. Presumably they don’t want GPs overwhelmed with requests and think that without a formal exemption path there will be more mask wearing.

209898 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to wendyk, 9, #880 of 2468 🔗

Why O why O why are seemingly well educated folk mutating into officious censorious busybodies?

Someone tell me; I’m at a loss to account for this

Maybe because they hope, by feeding tigers with other people, that the tigers will eat them last.

210042 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #881 of 2468 🔗

Wait until WE are the tigers.

210162 ▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to annie, 1, #882 of 2468 🔗

see my stripes… see my CLAWS

209910 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to wendyk, 8, #883 of 2468 🔗

Another restaurant has just closed for good here; all thanks and all hail to St Nicola of Holyrood.

209912 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to wendyk, 4, #884 of 2468 🔗

There is a strong busybody streak in our nation.

209927 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to wendyk, 7, #885 of 2468 🔗

wonder why masked people want everyone to be masked, do they believe the rubbish that they are protecting others.

209944 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #886 of 2468 🔗

I’ve often wondered but ,through the foggy despair, I’ve concluded that it’s now a matter of choice: they’ve bought into all this draconian destructive nonsense, and cannot afford to let the personal side down by thinking outside the corona box.

Much more comforting to retain the self righteous conviction that they’re doing their bit, following the experts and yet, in evidence of double think,also allowing themselves to become annoyed when NHS services do not meet expectations.

There is a logical/cognitive disconnect here,which cannot be acknowledged,lest the walls come tumbling down.

209989 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to wendyk, 2, #887 of 2468 🔗

Yes. That is human nature. We suffer from crippling confirmation bias and ego on an individual level. Nobody is immune.

209952 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #888 of 2468 🔗

I think people who like to follow rules get irritated when they’ve made the effort and others have not. Allowing them to express that irritation while being self righteous was evil genius.

I know this is how rule-followers think because in general I am a rule-follower and this is exactly how I feel (obviously not about the masks, though).

209956 ▶▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Julian, 2, #889 of 2468 🔗

I wouldnt say I was a rebel by any stretch, but the mask thing is weird, that a virus can’t get out but it could get in, so you need to wear one too?!?

209966 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Julian, 3, #890 of 2468 🔗

It’s ju-ju. Same reason why some people get upset about those who don’t follow their religion.

209997 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Cranmer, 4, #891 of 2468 🔗

For some maybe. Many do not believe masks help but believe in following rules and are annoyed by those who don’t. When rules are innocuous and make life more pleasant for others, like dropping litter, this is a positive thing. Not so in this case. But the mechanism is the same.

210044 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Dan Clarke, #892 of 2468 🔗

Yes, because it then entitles them to attack you for not protecting them.

209975 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to wendyk, 4, #893 of 2468 🔗

Give her this quote from the BMA in an e-mail to me about the science behind their stance and support for mask wearing (there isn’t any):

“We appreciate that this is an area in which there is little high-quality empirical evidence. There is, for example, a lack of randomised control trials showing that mask wearing is effective (either indoors or outdoors).”

210019 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Awkward Git, #894 of 2468 🔗

Any news on the suppressed Danish study AG? You’re always well informed

210119 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to wendyk, 2, #895 of 2468 🔗

Nothing except it blows the “masks good” theory apart.

More interested din the Hunter Biden laptop data dump that is on-going – can understand why the controlled MSM won’t really report it.

210147 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #896 of 2468 🔗

Yes, I’ve dipped into it as well: Ukraine-related questions to be answered.

210266 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to wendyk, 2, #897 of 2468 🔗

Big drop on the Obama/Biden $1 billion deal with China today.

209994 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to wendyk, 7, #898 of 2468 🔗

Bored and boring people enjoying being a legend in their own lunchtime. As others have pointed out before this the most exciting thing to happen to some people and they see a chance to feel powerful and important for once without the requirement for effort or skill.

210043 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to wendyk, 4, #899 of 2468 🔗

The feeling that “we’re all in this together” in some kind of war situation with the heroic NHS and “key workers” as our front-line troops is rather exciting LARP for rather many people, sadly. Others I know are positioning themselves against “right-wing conspiracy theorist covidiots”. In neither case is any actual rational reflection going on.

210133 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Smith, replying to mattghg, 4, #900 of 2468 🔗

I agree. I feel surrounded by LARPers, all enjoying fantasy socialism, rallying around rainbow flags, zoom yoga and working from expensively appointed attics in secure jobs, occasionally venturing out in Boden designer muzzles.

210131 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to wendyk, 4, #901 of 2468 🔗

People have lost their “normal” world they are used to, so they grasp at theories which they think they can live with and make sense to them.

On another point, I am soo grateful for the “stupid” government making the mask guidance so easy to exempt oneself.
In Germany many doctors now refuse to issues attests, even if it is a long patient. They had pressure from their professional body, although the head of their association said masks are useless.
Police ask for attests during demos, as it is now mostly a requirement for participants to wear a face covering for the demo to go ahead.
The attested person is urged NOT to hand it over, as the police will say we need to check it is authentic and need to take it to the station.

So, we should not abuse our lax system and thank you for the “stupid” person who came up with the guidance. Maybe they are sceptic?

210168 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Silke David, 3, #902 of 2468 🔗

We aren’t abusing it Silke; we are ,I think, being Brits who until recently,did not like being told what to do,less likely to abide by the kind of enforcement now increasingly seen in Germany and elsewhere in mainland Europe.

My impression of Germany is that orderliness is a crucial component of the national culture,and always has been.

In many ways this is a good thing,for example, the cleanliness, the wide orderly streets and the ingrained work ethic which has made Germany so wealthy.

Please correct me if I’m mistaken , but I’ve known 2 Germans personally and both were sticklers for adherence to rules and ,dare I say it, rather dictatorial in some respects.

Of course, now we see a widespread unquestioning compliance here,which has been viewed with growing dismay by the sceptics.

I think you’re right though, in that the exemption concession reveals a lack of conviction in some of our movers and shakers.

210193 ▶▶ Edward, replying to wendyk, 4, #903 of 2468 🔗

As your second paragraph – I know my own body better than anyone else and I know that wearing a mask is harmful to me.
As for exemptions, for a time I was concerned that there would be a tightening up and that a doctor’s letter would be needed. But there seems to be no sign of that happening. I’m glad I don’t live in one of the countries which don’t allow exemptions.
If a doctor’s letter did become necessary, for anyone who didn’t mind paying a bit of money I expect it would be possible to get one in the private medical sector.
Call me a cynic, but “celebrities” with private physicians seem to die prematurely – Elvis Presley, Michael Jackson. I think the attraction for them was that a tame private physician would get them all the prescription drugs they wanted.

210214 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Edward, 1, #904 of 2468 🔗

When I visited our local practice last week,all the staff I encountered were friendly and no one challenged my badge.

I don’t think they would welcome a surge of requests for letters and, being professionals, they have decided,here at least, to respect an exempt individual’s status.

You’re right about payment though; it could be lucrative and no doubt is already being done discreetly by those with money.

I doubt that insurance plans would cover it though.

211259 ▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to wendyk, #905 of 2468 🔗

How do you get to see a GP nowadays for a start? Your friend sounds utterly brainwashed.

209857 Basics, replying to Basics, 19, #906 of 2468 🔗

The exit strategy won’t come from an untrustable Baker MP. It is ready and prepared as it has been from the first hour of lockdown.

When the people say No, it is over.

209888 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Basics, 9, #907 of 2468 🔗

Exactly

Parliament has shown itself to be utterly useless

The first civil war was between crown and parliament

The second will be between parliament and people

It will be nasty, short and highly enjoyable

209904 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #908 of 2468 🔗

Well – given that ‘the people’ are generally in favour of backing the Scary Fairy – we’re royally f’ked!

209919 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to RickH, 4, #909 of 2468 🔗

Oh well, I enjoyed my moment of fiery optimism. You’re right, of course. Till everyone loses their jobs.

209928 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Basics, 4, #910 of 2468 🔗

Baker is completely untrustworthy – a snake in the grass, had really high hopes for him, but he will never vote against the government. He even voted for the dreadful SpyCops CHIS Bill.

209858 cloud6, replying to cloud6, 3, #911 of 2468 🔗

I have just discovered that Local Authorities can fill their coffers with loads of Government cash (taxpayer money), councils volunteer to go into Tier 3 and in the case of London councils would get a financial boost to their coffer’s of £177 million.

209903 ▶▶ Mike, replying to cloud6, 8, #912 of 2468 🔗

I think you’ll probably find this is why so many councils have been clamouring for lockdowns…particularly in Labour areas. Even if it destroys the local economy. Short sighted local governance.

209986 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to cloud6, #913 of 2468 🔗

Was this not what the whole Andy Burnham rabbit hole was about? Once he was out in Tier 3 all the neighbouring authorities wanted to be in it too, otherwise they’d have lost out

209886 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 10, #914 of 2468 🔗

Just been to Halfords, No customers wearing a mask though the poor staff have to
it seems. In Boots everyone masked,

209931 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to OKUK, 4, #915 of 2468 🔗

Pharmacies are the worst.

210093 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to OKUK, 1, #916 of 2468 🔗

My local Boots has plenty of staff with sunflowers lanyards.
They always look happy, the others don’t.

209905 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 18, #917 of 2468 🔗

Is the NHS in danger of being overwhelmed? The nhs are overwhelmed every winter, in fact they are usually more than happy to invite the media in to see how overwhelmed they are and to ask for more cash to help the overwhelmedness.

209911 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #918 of 2468 🔗

That’s right. The BBC runs a daily tracker of hospital waiting times every winter because of this if I remember rightly.

209926 ▶▶ John Galt, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #919 of 2468 🔗

I searched for “NHS overwhelmed” on Google News between 2010 and 2019. I’ve taken a screenshot of only the top 4 stories (there’s obviously lots more):

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209980 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to John Galt, 1, #920 of 2468 🔗

I did this for my local hospital which has been overwhelmed for a week now. Jan 2020, winter 2019, 2017 and 2014 immediately thrown up the same warning.

Also it was revealed yesterday that while they’ve been saying for the week that ICU was at capacity, they can, of course double that capacity to cope.

Just casually trotted out that line in an article warning about the war zone situation

https://www.derryjournal.com/health/lack-icu-bed-availability-altnagelvin-terrifying-says-foyle-mla-sinead-mclaughlin-3015541

209945 ▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to Dan Clarke, 5, #921 of 2468 🔗

They have had months to prepare and what have they done – SFA.

209957 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #922 of 2468 🔗

If they are ‘overwhelmed’ in the present situation, it is really about the long-term reduction in hospital beds, which has left the UK poorly provided for in comparison with other comparable countries.

209969 ▶▶▶ anon, replying to RickH, 1, #923 of 2468 🔗

retired consultant confirmed this to me

been happening for years he said

209983 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Dan Clarke, 5, #924 of 2468 🔗

Sometimes they don’t even have time to post dances on TikTok

209913 Basics, 7, #925 of 2468 🔗

Let’s not forget the c6000 children who died from the Dengue Fever vaccine quickly produced and delivered to 750, 000 children before the vacccination programme was stopped.

Wikipedia gives a figure of 600 dead to what it calls the ‘scare’. Wikipedia is staffed by sick people.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dengvaxia_controversy

Here is a video of Dr Sherri Tenpenny who gives a much stronger account of the situation with irrefutable evidence.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=w3Xuy3YYtM4

Vaccine badly produced.
Dead poor people.
Cover up by internet.
Doctor speaking out.

Search ‘6000 children died in.philipines vaccine’ returns many articles on the subject

209915 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 8, #926 of 2468 🔗

Sweden continues to thrive

209923 ▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #927 of 2468 🔗

They are taking the piss now

209954 ▶▶ RickH, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #928 of 2468 🔗

The trouble is that we’re back to the same old same old – the utter unreliability of anything labelled ‘Covid deaths’.

209968 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, #929 of 2468 🔗

Yes. Sweden got much right but it’s hard to believe that the above difference isn’t at least in part down to different ways of classifying things.

Until it’s widely accepted that the only real measure is “are lots more people dying per head of population than usually do, at this time of year” I think we’re lost because everything else can be so easily manipulated and misrepresented.

209985 ▶▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to Julian, 4, #930 of 2468 🔗

Yes, the only Stats that are reliable, compare countries on the same basis are the EuroMomo stats for all causes excess deaths against long term trend. They currently show only Spain and Belgium with slight increase over long term trend, it is not statistically significant even in those countries. Nowhere else is above trend including all the UK countries. Indeed 2020 as a year to date , adjusted for population growths is not siginificatly higher than other years with bad flu seasons and indeed is lower than 1999/2000 by quite a bit.
Keep referring people to these stats and graphs, they have absolutely no answer to them. There is NO EPIDEMIC.

210604 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to peyrole, #931 of 2468 🔗

Yes, the only Stats that are reliable, compare countries on the same basis are the EuroMomo stats for all causes excess deaths against long term trend.

Yesssss! If I could give you 100 upticks, I would.

There is NO EPIDEMIC.

Malcolm Kendrick said exactly this. He, like you have just said, says the Euromomo figures were the only true guide. Simple, straightforward death figures, nothing more.

211039 ▶▶▶▶▶ chris c, replying to peyrole, #932 of 2468 🔗

Even BBC News print the graph on one page while bigging up the deaths everywhere else

210031 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, #933 of 2468 🔗

My suspicion (it can’t be more than that) is that the Swedish figure is much closer to reality than those for other countries. All the incidental information is that Covid has gone as a significant problem.

209965 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #934 of 2468 🔗

“Fake Country.”

210046 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #935 of 2468 🔗

And yet if you point out cases and deaths are up since masks and interventions started – unlike in Sweden you get stared at as though you are speaking Japanese

209922 Julian, replying to Julian, 4, #936 of 2468 🔗

Topic
Cambridge Private Law: Freshfields Lecture 2020 – Lord Sumption: ‘Government by decree – Covid-19 and the Constitution’
Description
The Cambridge Freshfields Lecture is an annual address delivered by a guest of the Cambridge Private Law Centre, and the event is sponsored by Freshfields Bruckhaus Deringer.

Lord Sumption will deliver this year’s lecture on “Government by decree – Covid-19 and the Constitution”.

The disputes over Brexit last year saw an attempt to make the executive, not Parliament, the prime source of authority in the Constitution. The coronavirus crisis has provoked another attempt to marginalise Parliament, this time with the willing acquiescence of the House of Commons. Is this to be our future?

https://us02web.zoom.us/webinar/register/WN_93tVuX_IRPisDx2mAIwhDg

209950 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 6, #937 of 2468 🔗

“… this time with the willing acquiescence of the House of Commons.”

This is the really disturbing feature of the present situation.

209979 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 5, #938 of 2468 🔗

Indeed, with the disturbing acquiescence of the media, civil service, judiciary, other institutions thrown in.

For anyone who has not listened to Sumption speak, it’s worth a go. He’s very articulate and has been solid from the start that liberty, while not absolute, has a very high value. His case relies largely on that fundamental plank, and not necessarily on whether cases are rising or falling etc. It’s a harder argument to sell, but it’s also harder to attack or muddy waters.

211045 ▶▶▶ chris c, replying to RickH, #939 of 2468 🔗

Plus the “Opposition” who don’t

209925 Bungle, replying to Bungle, 13, #940 of 2468 🔗

THE FIVE STEPS – LET’S UNMASK!

(to stop the continued restrictions on our lives)

1. Remember: “It is not the function of the government to keep the citizen from falling into error; it is the function of the citizen to keep the government from falling into error.” Justice Robert Jackson – Nuremburg Trial Judge.

2. Keep in mind: “When things seem common sense, they still have the same chance of harming or benefiting you and, let’s be clear, the high quality trial evidence of cloth masks suggests they increase the rate of re-infection.” Carl Heneghan, Professor of Evidence-based Medicine, University of Oxford.

3. Use: Gov.uk which has reasons why we don’t have to wear a mask – our reason is we “feel severe distress” at being made to wear one knowing the danger. The Human Rights Act, 1998, following points 1 & 2 above, says the government cannot force us to harm ourselves.

4. Exempt yourself: and download the government exemption if it makes you feel more comfortable. You don’t need it in law and neither do you need anyone’s permission.

5. Tell: your employer who cannot sack you – spread the message.

209962 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Bungle, 2, #941 of 2468 🔗

You may wish to use a “handle” other than your email address…

209978 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Julian, 1, #942 of 2468 🔗

Someone I know is brave enough to put his home address and telephone number onto leaflets. I think we all need to – not go that far – but be more courageous

209990 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Rosie, 2, #943 of 2468 🔗

Indeed, was just concerned in case it had been inadvertent

209996 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Julian, #944 of 2468 🔗

Well, I just email him …. just in case he intended it and wants to form a team. Personally I would like to think that James Delingpole, after yesterday’s piece, will be up for leading activism specifically on this issue.
I’ve not been able to find a contact for him to ask him, however.

210122 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Rosie, 1, #945 of 2468 🔗

If you email lockdownsceptics@gmail.com it might get to him via TY

210611 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Julian, #946 of 2468 🔗

Sound advice, J; spidering web bots can have a field day picking up email addresses in ‘plain sight’ like this.

210058 ▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to Bungle, 8, #947 of 2468 🔗

Good post.

I’m emailing businesses polite complaints when I see the use of “No Mask, No Entry” signs. I urge people to do the same so we’re chopping away at both sides of this masking travesty. My succinct email goes something like this:

“I chose not to use your establishment this morning, put off by your illegal ‘no mask, no entry’ sign.

Myself and hundreds of thousands of others have legitimate, legal exemptions from wearing masks indoors and your sign contravenes The Disability Act. In legal terms it is no more acceptable than one which declared ‘Wheelchair Users Not Welcome’.

I suggest you change your signage to something like ‘Please Wear A Mask If You Are Able’ to ensure you remain on the right side of the law. Even ‘Please Wear A Mask’ would be an improvement and legally permissible.

You’ll probably increase your custom by doing so, making those exempt from mask wearing less repelled and unfairly stigmatized by your signage.”

Now I may be stretching things a little with the above but if we can soften the stance of businesses while empowering individuals to reject the mask, the foundations of this tyranny can be massively weakened.

210088 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to PompeyJunglist, #948 of 2468 🔗

I do not go into shops which display a “no mask, no service sign”.

210156 ▶▶▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to Silke David, 2, #949 of 2468 🔗

Neither do I, but bang them an email is what I’m saying.

210096 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to PompeyJunglist, 3, #950 of 2468 🔗

All pushback is good pushback.
Thanks and thanks for the encouragement

209934 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 8, #951 of 2468 🔗

What is it with the fucking Amazon drivers.

Knock knock – go to door, masked bandit running down drive.

‘hello’

mumble mumble.

‘Sorry’ –

‘package for miss h’

‘say that again’

‘PACKAGE FOR MISS H’ ha, made him shout just for the hell of it.

Unbelievable

209941 ▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to stefarm, 2, #952 of 2468 🔗

Many of the ones who call at mine do not speak much English, so conversation is nigh on impossible anyway.

209961 ▶▶ Julian, replying to stefarm, 2, #953 of 2468 🔗

Most of the deliveries I have had were from unmasked peeps

209967 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Julian, #954 of 2468 🔗

Me too. They are about 50/50 split between leaving on the doorstep and being prepared to engage in conversation. Not in each other’s faces but not a panicky distance either.

209981 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Julian, 3, #955 of 2468 🔗

Postman and DHL have been unmasked and smiley. Amazon complete opposite.

210065 ▶▶▶▶ davews, replying to stefarm, 2, #956 of 2468 🔗

Yes, DHL one this morning handed me the parcel, nice smile and a short chat, no mask.

209972 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to stefarm, 2, #957 of 2468 🔗

What really bugs me is that they quite often don’t even put the package through the letter box (when it fits). They just drop it outside the door instead. Do they think they are somehow going to get Covid by touching the letter box?

210022 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Chicot, 1, #958 of 2468 🔗

The answer is ‘Yes’ : that is what they have been told by the propaganda machine originating in the Goebbels Brigade.

209939 Awkward Git, 7, #959 of 2468 🔗

Son sent me this – worked government advert:

https://1drv.ms/v/s!Agv7JEO8MngCiVjvt6JvbQkUzC3H

209942 Sceptical Lefty, 1, #960 of 2468 🔗

With regard to different NHS figures, is it not a possibility that some areas have always had relatively few ICU beds, and that there may be different decision making ideas with regard to who is given an ICU bed anyway?

209949 JHuntz, 2, #961 of 2468 🔗

Some great content on risks of facemaks from 3:45:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZwQKk0kNd4&ab_channel=SkyNewsAustralia

209951 John Galt, replying to John Galt, 20, #962 of 2468 🔗

Following on from the post below, here’s the NHS being “overwhelmed” at numerous times over the past couple of years. I might do one for an even longer period of time to show that it happens every year:

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209964 ▶▶ jb12, replying to John Galt, 3, #963 of 2468 🔗

Yes, this is a drum I have been banging, but no-one cares.

209995 ▶▶▶ John Galt, replying to jb12, 3, #964 of 2468 🔗

It basically ends the “omg the NHS is overwhelmed” argument before it even begins. I’ve just created one showing the NHS being overwhelmed every year from 2013 to 2019 (it seems they started using the buzzword in 2013), I’ll post it later on so I’m not spamming everyone with images!

210000 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to John Galt, 1, #965 of 2468 🔗

Please do.

210040 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to John Galt, 2, #966 of 2468 🔗

I’m afraid even this level of research is beyond the capabilities of virtually all the MSM journalists and MPs right now.

210137 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to John Galt, 1, #967 of 2468 🔗

This is terrific.
I can’t say I think any of the cultists would pay attention; but I at least appreciate your work.

209963 I Got A Letter, replying to I Got A Letter, 9, #968 of 2468 🔗

For the first time in the pandemic I genuinely feel scared by the beeb posting the news about antibodies diminishing (which has subsequently gone viral) – various outlets unashamedly using it to bash herd immunity in favour of what terrifyingly feels like the perpetuation of a permanent new normal. That news being pushed so disingenuously is nudging me towards some rather vulgar conspiratorial suppositions. I suppose the one comfort is that if Yeadon is right, then even if deaths are wrongly attributed to covid by PCR then excess deaths should remain at their usual low and the covidians will be forced to look over and re-check their work.

210142 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to I Got A Letter, -6, #969 of 2468 🔗

Sod off with the ‘rather vulgar’.

211191 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to JohnB, #970 of 2468 🔗

Adherents of the ‘Rule of 6’, I guess.

209973 John Galt, replying to John Galt, 3, #971 of 2468 🔗

If you want to read a truly bizarre article in hindsight, read this about the NHS preparing for 65,000 swine flu deaths in 2009:

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/nhs-prepares-for-65000-deaths-from-swine-flu-1750091.html

It has all the buzzwords: “pandemic”, “surge”, “mutating”, “outbreak”, “wave”, “vaccine”. It’s just so strange to read, as you can easily imagine an alternate reality where everything that’s happening now actually happened then.

210017 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to John Galt, 6, #972 of 2468 🔗

They tried to make it happen. It was Ferguson as usual. This is why the instant I heard ‘corona virus’ on the MSM I smelt a rat, what is it this time?
The Swine flu and earlier incidents, including foot & mouth, are part of the evidence being collected by the German team. Wish it were being done here as well, but good for the Germans.
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/10/17/coronavirus-fraud-biggest-crime-against-humanity.aspx

Reiner Fomish
Coronavirus Fraud Scandal — The Biggest Fight Has Just Begun
Reported on by Dr. Joseph Mercola
STORY AT-A-GLANCE
The German Corona Extra-Parliamentary Inquiry Committee (Außerparlamentarischer Corona Untersuchungsausschuss), launched July 10, 2020, was founded by four trial attorneys to investigate and prosecute those responsible for implementing the economically devastating lockdowns around the world, as well as using fraudulent testing to engineer the appearance of a dangerous pandemic.

https://worlddoctorsalliance.com/blog/crimes-against-humanity-the-german-corona-investigation/ which has been initiated by:
https://www.worlddoctorsalliance.com/

209984 GarethL, replying to GarethL, 10, #973 of 2468 🔗

Having read the comments of the retired Cheshire Police Sergeant about the recruitment of EU nationals they are not writing about a situation that I recognise having retired from Cheshire Police earlier this year having served for 30 years. I can recall coming across one EU national who was a serving officer in my later years of service as well as a Polish PCSO. Cheshire is a county with an historically resident Polish community. During the war many Polish servicemen and their families came to live around Delamere in the county and for obvious reasons didn’t wish to return to Poland when the war ended. I found this out while working on a murder enquiry and even before freedom of movement was astonished to find many families with Polish surnames living on a particular housing estate with in some cases pictures of General Sikorski up on walls. There were also a number of Cheshire officers who had Polish surnames including a couple of dog handlers but they had all been born in the UK.
While working on a training unit from 2005 to 2010 my colleagues and I were astonished by recruits lack of basic English skills in taking statements and writing their own reports. They were all born and bred in the UK and this was as clear an indictment of our education system and our recruitment policies as I have ever come across. In the end our boss told us that it was not our job to correct the faults of of an education system that valued neither grammar nor spelling so we gave up on it.

210008 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to GarethL, 6, #974 of 2468 🔗

We certainly have terrible education here. It’s why I’d advise anyone who can to home educate.
However … the topic is not the regular police but the TSG, that’s what the retired guy was talking about and their ethnic makeup and whether they can actually speak English. Toby reported from someone who was in Trafalgar Square on Saturday and tried to have a simple ‘hello’ type conversation with some of the flat-cappers and found they couldn’t even do that.

210069 ▶▶▶ Eddy, replying to Rosie, 1, #975 of 2468 🔗

They are recent arrivals. Most were on dinghies.

210073 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Eddy, 2, #976 of 2468 🔗

I can remember when it was revealed that some clerical staff working at the Home office’s Lunar House in Croydon were illegals.

Entry clearance had somehow been overlooked.

210313 ▶▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to wendyk, #977 of 2468 🔗

I suspect half of croydon is illegal.

210080 ▶▶▶ GarethL, replying to Rosie, 2, #978 of 2468 🔗

The TSG are part of the Police. Anyone who becomes a TSG officer will have had to have done at least two years of normal duties first. I do think the larger police forces will have more EU nationals that smaller ones such as Cheshire. My point really was the description of Cheshire which I didn’t recognise at all despite having spent 30 years in that fine Constabulary.

210139 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to GarethL, #979 of 2468 🔗

Would normal duties in Albania/Romania count ? Or could the rule have been ‘eased’ to allow them in ?

210169 ▶▶▶▶▶ GarethL, replying to JohnB, #980 of 2468 🔗

No it can’t be altered.

211188 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to GarethL, #981 of 2468 🔗

Thanks Gareth.

210111 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to GarethL, #982 of 2468 🔗

Wasn’t Crewe the home of the Free Polish Air Force during WW2 which is where all the Polish surnames come from in the area?

I recall reading something to this effect a while back.

210132 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Awkward Git, #983 of 2468 🔗

They (FPAF) were flying from a grass-strip airfield here in Sussex too. Local pub has a memorial to those who didn’t make it.

210145 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to JohnB, #984 of 2468 🔗

They were renowned as some of the very bravest pilots, as their determination to stick it to the enemy led to some astounding feats of courage .

209991 John P, replying to John P, 5, #985 of 2468 🔗

I had an email from a client of mine in Canada over the weekend. He’s a man in his late seventies with existing health problems. He’s an appreciative and gracious client and I have enjoyed working for him.

He’s been completely sold on the pandemic though. Almost every time he messages me he exhorts me to “stay safe!”, and in his most recent e-mail related that he had heard that the “damned virus” was on the rise again in this country.

It’s very easy to be scornful of those who believe all of the propaganda, but I have felt unable to say very much to my client as he is very sincere and is genuinely disturbed by it all, and clearly concerned for my safety. It’s not his fault.

On perhaps a slightly more cynical note, as he is a client I am in any case disinclined to say very much about my own views on this to him for fear of either confusing him or causing him offence. Things are very slow at the moment and I certainly don’t want to risk losing his custom.

Another client in Canada – who I have known for a number of years – I have been a little more open with. Despite living in BC she is very much concerned about the coming US election and seems to be very keen that Trump should go, despite the undoubted shortcomings of his rival. She was silent when I pointed this out, but she is right, I think, that there is likely to be widespread civil disturbance in the US come November.

210013 ▶▶ RickH, replying to John P, 8, #986 of 2468 🔗

It’s very easy to be scornful of those who believe all of the propaganda”

You’re right – it’s a bit of a knee-jerk obeisance to self righteousness, of which most of us have been guilty from time to time – out of sheer frustration.

But you’re right – it achieves less than nothing, because it doesn’t address what is actually going on.

If I wasn’t a bit obsessive with my data digging (as others here are), how exactly would I know what’s actually going on?

I say this after just catching the Radio 3 news headlines, in which items 1 to 3 were all unbalanced stories about immunity/the virus etc.

This drip-feed goes into ears every day, and writing people off as merely ‘stupid’ doesn’t begin to get a grip on the propaganda industry – even if the stupidity/ignorance factor does have a place in explanation.

210095 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 3, #987 of 2468 🔗

Whatever one thinks of these people – victims or enemies – the question is: do we want them on our side, can they be realistically to come over to our side, and how can they be persuaded? For those we think are persuadable, we should follow the approach most likely to get results, which is probably not going to be starting off by showering them with abuse.

210110 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to RickH, 2, #988 of 2468 🔗

Yes indeed, I had exactly that kind of conversation with myself this morning. Why, I inquired of myself, rhetorically, don’t all my colleagues know that the CDC estimates the IFR for the 19-49 age group as 0.0002%? It’s perfectly easy to find the document on the CDC website!
But then reflected that prior to this descent into public insanity I had never heard of the IFR, nor felt the slightest interest in the CDC. Of course my colleagues don’t know this and related facts; they don’t know that they don’t know them. So when I pop up offering information on the IFR, I must seem like a crank.
All my colleagues knew that WMD would not be found in Iraq. I knew it. We all knew it because Newsnight etc spent the months leading up to the war establishing the actual facts, as opposed to the Bush-Blair propaganda line.
So: why is it different this time? It’s really not clear to me.

210016 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to John P, #989 of 2468 🔗

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-09-20-timeline-of-events-sep-20-to-jan-20.html

Likely TIMELINE of events to take place from Sep. 20 to Jan. 21 covering vaccines, SCOTUS, Election Day, markets, terrorism and insurrection

210021 ▶▶ Mark, replying to John P, 2, #990 of 2468 🔗

I think it’s generally accepted that there will be civil disorder in the US from the left if Trump wins. This, in the form of BLM and related thuggery has been a more or less open blackmail threat to US voters for months now. “Elect someone we like better or we will burn things”.

It remains to be seen whether that blackmail will bring the result they want or will backfire on them.

But there is also a real risk of trouble from the other side if Trump loses, especially if it is close or disputed. The media and social media./big tech bias has been so open and shameless that it’s unlikely Trump supporters will meekly accept the results of this blatant propaganda rigging of the vote. And the left has made the stakes so high, with expectations of ending of free speech, enshrining of big tech and media bias and dogmas as unchallengable, political and court hounding of dissidents and enemies, and the back door introduction of a Vice President with the most leftist voting record of all into place to take over when (not if) the doddering Presidential candidate is sidelined.

By trying to delegitimise, punish and even criminalise dissent, the political left continually raises the stakes. It’s likely that, unless that course changes, civil disorder can be the only possible outcome both in the US and here.

210060 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mark, 1, #991 of 2468 🔗

“… in the US from the left …”

The USA doesn’t have a ‘left’ in any meaningful sense in the mainstream political spectrum – any more than does the UK now that the Labour Party has been captured.

This playground stuff stemming from Trump-worship is daft.

210105 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 10, #992 of 2468 🔗

Trump is deeply flawed in my book but from a sceptic point of view he has to be better than Biden. He has the courage/front to Tweet about covid being similarly in danger to flu, about the need to get back to normal, has criticised Fauci, appointed a known sceptic to his team in Scott Atlas. I can’t see any evidence Biden would do anything other than follow the narrative. Biden would need to be universe’s better than Trump in other regards to outweigh this.

210120 ▶▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Julian, 4, #993 of 2468 🔗

Trump is absolutely the better of two evils. Biden is already entrapped by the deep state. The guy is a creep on camera who had showers with his daughter.

210126 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to JHuntz, 3, #994 of 2468 🔗

He’s (Biden) also exceptionally old for a world leader, and shows signs of dementia/Alzheimers. Can’t see many normal people voting for him.

210144 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to JHuntz, #995 of 2468 🔗

Ugh! I thought he was a silly old duffer but this is disgusting.

210146 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to RickH, 1, #996 of 2468 🔗

It does now, and the mainstream political spectrum is toast

210005 mjr, 1, #997 of 2468 🔗

good piece on Talk Radio JHB this morning about defunding the BBC

210006 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #998 of 2468 🔗

The telegraph has changed direction again (like the tide, and just as predictable): Death Rates in Hospitalised Patients Halve Since First Wave”

210309 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #999 of 2468 🔗

Which they would because they probably went in with a broken leg.

210007 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #1000 of 2468 🔗

Why would Time use this cover for the November 2020 special report:

Asian eyes, chains round the flag, Communist stars on red background, vocal orders from a speaker exhorting you to do your civic duty, the muzzle. Why?

210059 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to Awkward Git, #1001 of 2468 🔗

Who owns time?

210135 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Eddy, 3, #1002 of 2468 🔗

Apparently this guy:

https://www.foxbusiness.com/business-leaders/meet-marc-benioff-new-time-magazine-owner-and-billionaire-tech-ceo

Oh look from his wikipedia bio:

In 2009, the members of the World Economic Forum named him as one of its Young Global Leaders

He follows the World Economic Forum founder Klaus Schwab ‘s stakeholder approach to leadership

Benioff supported Hillary Clinton for President of the United States in the 2016 presidential election .

Don’t need to dig any deeper do we?

210141 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Eddy, #1003 of 2468 🔗

This gentleman:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Benioff

I can’t find any evidence of vaccine mania in his bio.

210077 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Awkward Git, #1004 of 2468 🔗

Would be interesting to know what the article within is that they are teasing for. I could write one that fits the picture in every detail, but I don’t think they’d publish it.

210128 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #1006 of 2468 🔗

quote from the article “ Pre-existing injustices will seem even more unacceptable, releasing pent-up anger and possibly even social unrest . So governments will struggle. Populists will have plenty to play with. And social divisions will become more raw. It will require political leadership which can analyze, understand, explain and point the way.”

that translates to political leadership that can bullshit, obfuscate and fail to address the problem. More of the same then….

210158 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Awkward Git, #1007 of 2468 🔗

Great post, the use of Covid in the reporting of politics.

In addition to what you point out I see the tone of the stars and the red scarf clash – the energy of which has an effect of producing a slightly confusing ‘dazzle’. The cover image function is to primarly be seen. This dazzle is secondary confusion to the ‘hit’ of black neckerchief. Funny ‘whole world in his (her) hands’ hands and a crossed out ballot box too. Chains and sunflower around the flag is the central message, as you say.

The image is carefully crafted. To me it is about obscured hidden identity at thumbnail size. She is not wearing the covering for protection of herself or others.

Curious when considering all the possible options available that the result is a micromanaged inelegant illustration.

210012 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 13, #1008 of 2468 🔗

Also from the Telegraph. “Wild vampire bats socially distance when sick, study suggests”
And with that, I’m done for the day. ENOUGH INSANITY AND STUPIDITY

210018 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #1009 of 2468 🔗

Shark jumped

210117 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Achilles, #1010 of 2468 🔗

I must be easily amazed. Seems to have been a steady outpouring of shark jumps lately. 🙂

210028 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 7, #1011 of 2468 🔗

Very sensible of them. I’m sure the healthy ones just crack on. Our persecutors could learn from them.

210056 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #1012 of 2468 🔗

Do they wear gimp gags when distancing?

210081 ▶▶ anon, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #1013 of 2468 🔗

do they put face COVERINGS on whilst holding out for a VACCINE too?

studies ‘suggest’ eh

cummings, bozo, handcock, whitty & vaccine should self isolate in face masks and be injected with vaccines until zero covid and carbon is achieved, a study suggests

210112 ▶▶ annie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #1014 of 2468 🔗

All mammals tend to hide away when they’re ill. Oldest news in creation (since the dinosaurs).

210138 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to annie, 6, #1015 of 2468 🔗

Indeed. I had a cat with a broken rib once, she just sat under the cabinet until she felt better. I like animals.

210303 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #1016 of 2468 🔗

If you have a temperature of 40°C you will totally self isolate because you feel terrible. I expect bats do the same.

210014 Burlington, replying to Burlington, 7, #1017 of 2468 🔗

i have just heard that Imperial College are claiming that there is no long term immunity from Covid and that two vaccinations may be needed. I guess they didn’t take the virology 101 course.Have they not heard of T cells?

210024 ▶▶ Crazy Times, replying to Burlington, 20, #1018 of 2468 🔗

This was always where they were going to drive things. Sky News just had a professor on saying it would need to be regular vaccinations, essentially for the rest of your life.

Do people not realise this is just totally and utterly wrong and flies against everything we know about immunity. It’s just a blatant money grab by big pharma.

210108 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Crazy Times, 7, #1019 of 2468 🔗

It’s worse than that.Vaccine tied to digital/health passport.No vaccine no normal life.The politicians have told us the direction of travel.
It is no longer a conspiracy theory.

210783 ▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 2, #1020 of 2468 🔗

Absolutely crystal clear now. This is the future. A new form of technocratic governance – biometrics and surveillance. They always said booster Covid vaccines would be necessary. I used to think it was about health but it’s about control – the virus is being used as a Trojan Horse.

People are actually believing that this will end with a vaccine – they’ve seen nothing yet! There is only the new normal which is a kind of medico fascism with zero transparency for the global elites.

210033 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Burlington, 13, #1021 of 2468 🔗

“Robust T Cell Immunity in Convalescent Individuals with Asymptomatic or Mild COVID-19”
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0092867420310084

“Persistent immune memory of COVID-19 found in recovered patient T cells”
https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2020-09-04-persistent-immune-memory-covid-19-found-recovered-patient-t-cells

“Long-lasting SARS-CoV-2-specific T cell memories”
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41577-020-00441-7

Imperial College must be flat-out lying, if that is what they are saying.

Or perhaps they just don’t know anything about science.

210072 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Kevin 2, 2, #1022 of 2468 🔗

They are pretending. They are not this stupid.

210163 ▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #1023 of 2468 🔗

Imperial College, or more precisely the researchers there, said no such thing, as it happens. Their preprint was careful to state

“These data suggest the possibility of decreasing population immunity and increasing risk of reinfection as detectable antibodies decline in the population.”

“The relevance of antibody waning for the potential for reinfection by SARS CoV-2 is currently not resolved.”

The headline “Covid immunity only lasts a few months, study finds” was simply false.

210192 ▶▶▶▶▶ Burlington, replying to Richard Pinch, 1, #1024 of 2468 🔗

Yes the headline and article was clearly an attempt to cast doubt upon the GBA. Stating “ The finding is another blow to scientists behind the controversial Great Barrington Declaration ,

210165 ▶▶▶ Burlington, replying to Kevin 2, 2, #1025 of 2468 🔗

Exactly this REACT 2 study is still in pre print and has not yet been peer reviewed. That aside it only focuses on antibody levels. Its a fair bet that T cell immunity was not part of this study.
This Sky report is clearly put out to discredit the Great Barrington Agreement.

210241 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Kevin 2, #1026 of 2468 🔗

Thanks!

210035 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Burlington, 2, #1027 of 2468 🔗

How do they expect any immunity to happen then?

A vaccine can’t do what the virus itself won’t trigger. It can only mirror it at best.

We’re now moving from vaccines into the realms of “Potions of Invulnerability”.

I wonder how many Gold Coins those will be going for.

210063 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Lucan Grey, 7, #1028 of 2468 🔗

Actually said on BBC news that a vaccine will be better than natural immunity after exposure to the virus. FUCK OFF!

210067 ▶▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Jo, 4, #1029 of 2468 🔗

BBC, not you Lucan, sorry, getting carried away!

210037 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Burlington, 9, #1030 of 2468 🔗

they didn’t take the virology 101 course”

No – they skipped that unit in order to do the ‘Big Pharma Pays’ unit.

210052 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to Burlington, 2, #1031 of 2468 🔗

Bill gates is pushing for 7 a week.

210070 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Burlington, 3, #1032 of 2468 🔗

It’s all getting a bit too sinister for my liking.

210087 ▶▶ anon, replying to Burlington, 5, #1033 of 2468 🔗

did you also hear that imperial college has been in receipt of way over 200 million $ from the bill and melinda gates foundation?

210097 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to anon, 4, #1034 of 2468 🔗

It’s so transparent yet people still cling to the incompetence theory.I can understand that because if you believe that they are useless there is hope we will get out from this with maybe a severe economic recession,the alternative is terrifying.

210237 ▶▶ steph, replying to Burlington, 1, #1035 of 2468 🔗

Yes, this one scares me. They know there is more to immunity than long lasting antibodies so why go all out with this if not to purposely mislead?
I’ve just had a conversation with someone I’ve met for the first time who had swallowed the “dreadful news” about immunity not lasting hook, line and sinker. I did my best to disabuse them and also to explain the mis-use of PCR.
But this propaganda is getting sinister now.

210034 Hieronimusb, replying to Hieronimusb, 3, #1036 of 2468 🔗

The deification of vaccine neatly exemplifies the transition of a sacred cow from theology, via ideology, to pseudoscience, its (unreasonable) immunity to question or criticism intact.

210109 ▶▶ annie, replying to Hieronimusb, 2, #1037 of 2468 🔗

It’s a sacred mad cow,

210160 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to annie, #1038 of 2468 🔗

That’s a moot point.

210038 Aitch, replying to Aitch, 9, #1039 of 2468 🔗

It seems the censorship of YouTube is in rude health, the video of Dr Reiner Fullmich ‘crimes against Humanity’ has been removed with the following message –

WARNING: COVID-19 Scam – Stop Think, if you still not sure ask a family member or friend for advice or help – Don’t let criminals win.

Thank goodness those at YouTube know better than me.. so nice that they are shielding us from nasty people who dare question those in authority.

210107 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Aitch, 1, #1040 of 2468 🔗

Projection. It’s a noticable teait of tyrants.

210054 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 5, #1041 of 2468 🔗
210084 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Sarigan, 4, #1042 of 2468 🔗

Thank heavens for Professor Sunetra.

210055 Mark, replying to Mark, 11, #1043 of 2468 🔗

Police issue first street preacher pay out for heavy handedness during lockdown
A Christian charity leader has been given the first lockdown related compensation award from Dorset police after being manhandled and unlawfully prevented from preaching on the back of his truck.
With thanks to support from the Christian Legal Centre, police have now paid street preacher Dominic Muir, 44, £1,250 in damages and costs .”

210066 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Mark, 4, #1044 of 2468 🔗

Good – except it’s the taxpayer who pays for the police’s illegal activity

210083 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #1045 of 2468 🔗

Would be nice if they would surcharge senior police officers for these cases. Would definitely improve the incentives to control overzealous and malicious bullying by policemen.

210662 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #1046 of 2468 🔗

No, it comes out of their public liability insurance policy.

210106 ▶▶ annie, replying to Mark, 1, #1047 of 2468 🔗

Well done, Dominic! First of many, I hope.
Should be paid out of the Chief Constable’s own pocket.

210068 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 5, #1048 of 2468 🔗

Now I bring you the latest piece of library-related covid confusion: yesterday an email arrived from central library services advising that my inter library loan-an audio book-was now ready for collection.

A positively surreal phone conversation has just concluded, during which I was told by the friendly assistant-I know them all well-that as the CD has been lent by another branch, I do not need to arrange an allotted time,as is the case with books/CDs/DVDs ordered from our own branch.

She joined me in laughing, as neither of us could explain why inter-library loans are risk free,whereas those chosen by our local staff could be deadly ,hence the need for appointed collection times.

So, I can turn up unannounced tomorrow without risking a reprimand!

I’m seriously in need of a check up from the neck up now,as the inmates complete their take over of the Covid asylum.

Can anyone beat this for virally deranged procedures?

210102 ▶▶ Basics, replying to wendyk, 1, #1049 of 2468 🔗

Could you have beaten the system? Sure all you now need to do is order books from other libraries to be delivered to your library, show up willy nilly and collent at leisure…

If others all do the same libraries across the land will return to nearly free access.

Well done for comprehending and communicating the madness!

210127 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Basics, 1, #1050 of 2468 🔗

Thank you Basics!

210075 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 6, #1051 of 2468 🔗

Clown Planet (as Carl Vernon would say). Imperial College React Study. Been made available pre-publication, no peer-review, no real context.

Media throw it out there no reservations. Think you had it and will survive. No. Unlike every other virus ever this is so good it’s coming back for more.

Reality. It’s the same as every other virus ever and it’s not coming back anymore quickly than Elvis.

Makes me laugh that the “magic bullet”
Danish Mask Study has been peer reviewed and can’t get published but Neil Dr Death Ferguson’s team are rolled out time and time and time again. See You Next Tuesday.

210078 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Leemc23, 5, #1052 of 2468 🔗

Media have been awful/evil, in the main

210123 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Leemc23, 1, #1053 of 2468 🔗

You’re a scientist you have a study that is not peer reviewed being used in fundamental ways to change, curtail and kill livelihoods.

How do you feel?
How do you act?
What do you think the effects will be on your future career?
Do you worry peers you respect may not reciprocate there respect for your work?
Are you proud?
Do you sleep?
Do you take drugs?
Are you well?

Not you Leemc23, obvs.

210136 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Basics, 1, #1054 of 2468 🔗

Evil

210134 ▶▶ Mike, replying to Leemc23, 3, #1055 of 2468 🔗

This is getting out of hand now…So natural immunity won’t work because???? but f*ck knows what chemical cocktail will because ‘we say it will’. This sh*t is being pushed straight into the heads of the porridge brained masses and they are flaming well lapping it up!

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/health/dr-hilary-herd-immunity-vaccine-gmb-a4573082.html

210253 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Mike, 1, #1056 of 2468 🔗

The equate natural immunity to letting it rip through jibber jabber.

Only by vaccinating can they give the human species herd immunity in a controlled way.

This is their logic – however because they are arguing about herd immunity not being real on one hand then saying herd immunity via vaccine is the future there are many untrustables in science and politics and the worlds shittest talking heads who are voicing all manner of badly understood approximations.

Special mentiin to skynew occasional puntdit her from the end days of time team – when the wonderful Mick Aston had ceased to appear in protest at the terrible addition she and other new ‘presenters’ made. I don’t know her name but the vacuous one.Mary-Ann Ochota – looked it up. What she knows is not worth a spit, yet she tells the nation about herd immunity and other health matters. Lowest of the low.

210164 ▶▶ Jenny, replying to Leemc23, 2, #1057 of 2468 🔗

Didn’t Ferguson say as part of his lockdown shag breach excuse that he thought he was immune because he had already had Covid? Or would he now say he was taking advantage of those few precious immune weeks until the antibodies left him??

210174 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Jenny, 3, #1058 of 2468 🔗

Yes I’ve often thought about that. It either means that he actually believes in acquired immunity after infection or he is just a lying little shit. I suspect it is both.

211084 ▶▶▶▶ chris c, replying to Achilles, #1059 of 2468 🔗

They injected him with money and he changed his mind.

I can also remember Bill Gates in an interview way way back saying that we must stop herd immunity occurring and wait for the vaccine.They know it happens it just isn’t part of The Agenda

210639 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Jenny, #1060 of 2468 🔗

Indeed, he did.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/05/exclusive-government-scientist-neil-ferguson-resigns-breaking/

“I acted in the belief that I was immune, having tested positive for coronavirus, and completely isolated myself for almost two weeks after developing symptoms.”

210186 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Leemc23, 1, #1061 of 2468 🔗

Neil Ferguson is Imperial College’s Chief Prostitute. Fungus the Bogeyman.

210091 Basics, 2, #1062 of 2468 🔗

Hancock has twitted out a video jibbering about 40 new hospitals to be built. No mask for hancock as he speaks to selfie phone in a hosptial – a detail for those who were met by mask nazis before A&E care of their child recently.

Here’s his tweet –

Matt Hancock
@MattHancock
· 18h
“We today launched the hospital food review at the Royal Berkshire Hospital with @BorisJohnson & @PrueLeith

“We’re building 40 new hospitals & these hospitals will have first-class catering built into them – making sure hospital food is part of people’s recovery”

Starting with “We” is unusual, Today we is better. Another tiny detail but it is noticed, it adds to the picture. I genuinely believe Hancock has a psychological divergence, it may be why he has been chosen for the health minister role.

hancocks tweet is here:

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1321071899984744449?s=20

210103 Rosie, replying to Rosie, 5, #1063 of 2468 🔗
Masks, again, and what to say if someone challenges you....
I'm starting to ask them to move further away from me as I don't want their bacteria laden air on me. It's them making me ill.
210226 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Rosie, 1, #1064 of 2468 🔗

Great response

210118 Edward Lear, 11, #1065 of 2468 🔗

Apologies if someone has already posted about this. I’m part of the Zoe Covid19 study run by Professor Tim Spector of Kings College London. He does an update every week which I’ve just listened to. According to his data (there are more than 4.5 million people who report on an app everday), while cases are still rising in some areas (but by no means all), the new infections are mainly in individuals under 30 with very little evidence that these infections are being passed on to older individuals. This means, he says, that the pessimism regarding the hospital situation is pretty much unfounded. Is any of this reported in the news? No – instead we have headlines in all the broadsheets about a non-peer reviewed study about anitbodies diminishing – which not only tells only half a story about human immunity but is also full of speculative doommongering about reinfection. There is evidence (not speculation) that reinfication with COVID is extremely rare. I am sick and tired of this shit.

210129 John Galt, replying to John Galt, 15, #1066 of 2468 🔗

Here it is, the NHS being “overwhelmed” every year from 2013 to 2019:

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Overwhelmed seems to have become a buzzword around 2014. Does anyone remember if they used a different term prior to that? If so, I could probably find news stories prior to 2013 as well.

210170 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to John Galt, 7, #1067 of 2468 🔗

It possibly coincides a bit with the deification of the NHS starting with the 2012 Olympics. Also the NHS is a frequently used club to hit the Tory party with and they gained power in 2015.

210239 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to John Galt, 3, #1068 of 2468 🔗

Thanks!

210318 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to John Galt, 3, #1069 of 2468 🔗

I think what many of you may have overlooked is that the NHS definition of ‘overwhelmed’ has been changed recently and it now reads:

‘A damned inconsiderate patient has just turned up expecting us to treat their cancer and we have had to stop practicing our dance routine’

A relative of ours went for a hospital appointment at a major hospital in a big locked down city recently – it was empty.

210742 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to John Galt, 1, #1070 of 2468 🔗

Brilliant thanks so much

210130 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, #1071 of 2468 🔗

Using the link above I’ve started to listen to this:-

Quillette Podcast Novelist Lionel Shriver talks to Toby Young about intellectual conformity

I will listen to it fully because I’m a great admirer of Ms. Shriver’s essays. But the first minute or so I’ve found impossible to listen to – because of all the banging and clattering going on in the background. Why do they do this? It’s like a disease. It infects nearly everything I want to listen to on the wireless.

Anyone got an answer?

210140 ▶▶ rose, replying to Ned of the Hills, #1072 of 2468 🔗

No, but I agree with you

210148 Matthew Jolley, replying to Matthew Jolley, 4, #1073 of 2468 🔗

Toby are you aware several welsh churches are seeking a judicial review concerning the current firebreak closing their services? Several churches stayed open and one (maybe more) was closed down by police officers when gathered this past Sunday.

210234 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Matthew Jolley, #1075 of 2468 🔗

Embedded video of service being stopped by nazi foot men in cardiff.

Might be nice if anyone recognises these police to remind them of 1930s germany.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/police-called-church-going-ahead-19167381

210149 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #1076 of 2468 🔗

BBC Lunchtime news; round Europe report on hospitals, the inference is that some European countries do now have very high levels of Covid patients in hospital. It is hard enough trying to get a true picture of how the NHS is doing let alone look into European hospitals. But dire reports from around Europe will only fuel worries that the UK is heading down the same route.
I cannot help but speculate as to whether if they had spent some of the vaccine development money on developing better treatments then we may not have so many people needing hospital treatment for such a long time

210153 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Steve Martindale, #1077 of 2468 🔗

BBC Lunchtime news”

There’s the central problem! As reliable a source as Johnson on …. errr …. anything.

210155 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Steve Martindale, #1078 of 2468 🔗

https://jbhandleyblog.com/home/lockdownlunacyfour Toby linked to this yesterday. It does a great job on debunking these lies about rising ‘cases’ and ‘deaths from Covid’ in Europe. MW

210157 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #1079 of 2468 🔗

What I noticed about the BBC’s mid-day news, if we listened to the same thing, is the absence of a report from Sweden.

210172 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Ned of the Hills, #1080 of 2468 🔗

I was only paying half an ear, Ned – and you notice that it was the very slim Radio 3 bulletin.

But as a general rule, the Beeb always headlines stuff from the Scary Fairy (including stuff about vaccines) and ignores anything that suggests that there’s no need to panic.

210357 ▶▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to RickH, #1081 of 2468 🔗

I was listening to Radio 4 – but the Scary Fairy was working industriously hard there too!

211092 ▶▶▶ chris c, replying to Ned of the Hills, #1082 of 2468 🔗

Sweden has been Cancelled

210183 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #1083 of 2468 🔗

The U.K. has a global policy in regards to Covid that states “while one country is at risk we are all at risk” This in turn means we cannot ever escape this. While things get better at home (which they are) we then have to look overseas and deploy the same draconian measures, in visual support, as it’s not allowed now to be better than others. Essentially until Timbuktu is at the same level of risk as the U.K. we don’t escape this trap. That’s why as things improve here you will be shown the worst elsewhere.

Shame they never adopted the same approach with water. Eg. No inhabited country shall be without clean drinking water. Nope never gave a shit about that. Reason being we had water.

210480 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Steve Martindale, #1084 of 2468 🔗

There are plenty of effective theraputics available – but anything positive that’s said about them gets crushed immediately. No money in it, guv.
And we all know there are people with LOTS of shares in big pharma companies (suggest any?) who just want us to hang in there until they can produce the magic vaccine for us all. (Whether we want it or not.)

210152 chaos, replying to chaos, 9, #1085 of 2468 🔗

Still no brexit. It’s almost as if moron oaf adulterer Boris and his tory crew are full of shit and pies. He’s doing a May. Brexit always out of reach whilst corona. We will walk away. He waffles. We will. He twuffle puffles. We will walk away. He says again. We will. He says again. We will definitely walk away. Ad infinitum.

What a shithole country we live in.

210178 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to chaos, 2, #1086 of 2468 🔗

As both the U.K. and EU are part of the G20 and the G20 has a commitment to global growth in trade are we to conclude that it was ever credible that there was a real risk of a impactful deal or no deal ? It’s all Theatre. And bullshit.

210180 ▶▶ RickH, replying to chaos, -2, #1087 of 2468 🔗

This situation has proved beyond doubt that Brexit was always a pointless mirage, the main outcome of which would be subservience to the US rather than independence. Just forget it.

210212 ▶▶▶ Scott G, replying to RickH, 4, #1088 of 2468 🔗

Rubbish. Only a fool could fail to see how it has evolved from a supposed trading block into a one size fits all political entity/wannabe superstate.

I would have voted to remain if I thought our scummy pro EU governments wouldn’t have taken us any further down the road to a US of E but I’m not that dumb.

210418 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to RickH, #1089 of 2468 🔗

as you keep telling people, can we lay off the hobby horses please

210197 ▶▶ T. Prince, replying to chaos, 2, #1090 of 2468 🔗

“Still no brexit”. What Brexit?
“Current UK Government policy is not to deliver Brexit”
What’s the likelihood of British people being presented with a sickly-sweet Brexit fudge?
https://facts4eu.org/news/2020_oct_brexit_fudge

210468 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to T. Prince, #1091 of 2468 🔗

Despite what BJ PLEDGED on the still-current website ”standup4brexit.com” – to ABANDON TM’s WA (and we all know it IS hers) as ”DEAD”.

210161 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 11, #1092 of 2468 🔗

Hello all. Mask help / advice anyone? I’ve just sent this to Law or Fiction. Any other advice greatly appreciated.

Hi there

How are you? I hope you are well.

I have been successfully shopping mask exempt since the start of the mask guidance/law/mandate (I’m unsure what it actually is). I’ve been to small shops and supermarkets. I was pleasantly surprised about going to a local shopping centre (my first shopping centre) with guards on the door. All nodded me in when I showed my mask exempt on my phone.

Today I went to tried to buy a new laptop in Apple.

I was told it was fine I was mask exempt but they couldn’t serve me in store.

Their company policy is as follows

* Serve me outside store
* Serve me in a visor inside store
* Serve me outside trading hours

I said the visor would make me ill and the other options felt like I was discriminated against.

I have the managers name. It was a polite conversation.

I told him I was being discriminated against.

He said it was their policy and that’s what their policy is as a global company.

I left the store and said I would be taking it further.

Can you help?

210167 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Country Mumkin, 8, #1093 of 2468 🔗

I would ask for the managers risk assessment and challenge why any of it was necessary and then ask the question “have you considered the risk of harm from your Risk control measures?” If the answer is no, then feel empowered to inform the store manager that they have misunderstood the HSE guidelines and have now broken the U.K. law. To which being a global company means sod all.

It is also always fun to ask if their risk assessment was evidence based and why they conclude and can prove that transmission resulting in serious and significant harm has occurred in their premises or any of their stores worldwide.

I would then recommend shopping anywhere else but apple. I appreciate this is difficult to do. But it’s the only thing that actually counts. Money.

210225 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Leemc23, 3, #1094 of 2468 🔗

Didn’t think of the risk assessment. I’m pretty certain they are definitely discriminating.

210319 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 3, #1095 of 2468 🔗

Also makes me realise how reasonable the others are and how bad it will get. Being treated like a risk to the health of others; an outsider. I’ll find that hard if we get to that stage in every shop.

210682 ▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Leemc23, 1, #1096 of 2468 🔗

Go to their website and find customer services and start to complain .There can be no such thing as a global policy as there are countries that still don’t wear masks .Are the saying they don’t sell Apple goods in Sweden or are they saying that Swedes only wear masks in Apple stores and in no other shops . Also as far as i’m aware not every state in America wears masks ,do they only sell Apple goods in mask wearing states ?. The government says you are exempt ,Apple can’t make up the government rules for themselves .

210171 ▶▶ Mark H, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #1097 of 2468 🔗

“As a global company”. There it is.

210359 ▶▶▶ Evoluon, replying to Mark H, #1098 of 2468 🔗

I wonder what they do in Sweden.

210176 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Country Mumkin, 5, #1099 of 2468 🔗

I’d just turn to another alternative and ditch Apple and its own lock-in policy with software etc.

210189 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Country Mumkin, 6, #1100 of 2468 🔗

Are these people not embarrassed to trot out this shit. Unbelievable.

Can they not stop and think, what did they do last year and the years before during flu and lurgy season.

Fuck sake, I’m literally on the verge.

210223 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to stefarm, 3, #1101 of 2468 🔗

They love it. I think I understand why they have a ton of heavies. It’s so Apple servers can look like “good cop”, whilst their “contracted” security plays “bad cop”.

210348 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #1102 of 2468 🔗

I’ve seen the queue outside the Edinburgh Apple shop with the goon wielding his plastic thermometer gun. It must be a big decision….hmmm freedom or IPad……hmmm….IPad…..

210196 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Country Mumkin, 4, #1103 of 2468 🔗

Consider not buying, buy refurbished.

Others will have the disabilty and equality laws for you I’m sure.

I can add that three apple door goons in black complete with black masks told me refusal to have temperature taken by their gun meant no entry. The were forceful in an eager try it way. I had asked as a passer by since what I witnessed at the apple store has no place on British streets imo.

210216 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Basics, 3, #1104 of 2468 🔗

Lol. Because temperature measurement devices are so effective. If you have a raised temp you are in bed, not in Apple store. Funniest thing I have read today. Apple. What a load of wankers.

210224 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Leemc23, 2, #1105 of 2468 🔗

Think its standard on apple doors across the land. Please pop by and laugh in their face. They are on the early adpoter of global tyranny route.

210220 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Basics, 2, #1106 of 2468 🔗

Refurbished sounds a very good idea. I’ll think about that :). Thanks for suggestion.

They are very authoritarian looking, dressed as the guys from the blues brothers with masks and gloves. There was hardly anyone in store and about 5 security guards.

It was a hideous site.

I don’t blame you for no temp taking. We didn’t even get that far. It’s a huge imposition to have ones temperature taken.

210230 ▶▶▶▶ Marvin42, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #1107 of 2468 🔗

Like apple laptops, but always buy from them here:
https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/refurbished
Not needing to go into an Apple Store (even before Covid) is always the best option IMO – hate those places – always give me a very unique headache!

210233 ▶▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Marvin42, #1108 of 2468 🔗

Thanks Marvin. Great link and suggestion. Is this official Apple? Very much appreciate you pointing me in this direction.

210254 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Country Mumkin, #1109 of 2468 🔗

We have bought most of our laptops refurbished from Apple, but even new you can just order online and get it delivered. I hate those stores as well and didn’t bother going in even before Covid.

210258 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Marvin42, replying to Country Mumkin, #1110 of 2468 🔗

Yes – official Apple, delivery usually next working day. Last laptop for work came with an even better spec than advertised (2.8Ghz vs 2.3Ghz) for no extra cost (apparently you get the next one off the refurb shelf which will be a minimum of the spec. advertised… so occasionally you get a win!)

210264 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Marvin42, replying to Marvin42, #1111 of 2468 🔗

PS – in my experience they are as new – even down to all the packaging – only difference being the box is plain, not glitzy.

210381 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Country Mumkin, #1112 of 2468 🔗

It is indeed. It’s only happened to me once, and unfortunately my daughter was taking us out for a meal, so it wasn’t an option to make a scene.
However, next time I go anywhere that this imposition is demanded, tell the person you now want to take theirs to make sure you’ll be ”safe” from THEM. It’s well worth investing in a temperature gun (or make a fake one with a kid’s toy).

210697 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Basics, #1113 of 2468 🔗

Try Macman (Sussex and online) or similar small outfits that sell refurbished

210222 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #1114 of 2468 🔗

Since the start of the mask edict, Apple is the worst. They have been treating all their customers like that.

210227 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Victoria, 2, #1115 of 2468 🔗

I hadn’t realised they were so bad. I know for next time.

So that’s £2.5k less for them as a laptop purchase and they may be liable to a personal fine for discrimination.

That’s a big loss to them and I only wanted to buy a laptop!

210261 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Victoria, 1, #1116 of 2468 🔗

The corporate caoital of political correctness.

210382 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Country Mumkin, #1117 of 2468 🔗

Yeah..here is help.Tell them to fuck off and stuck their laptop up their arse. And then go and by a windows one in a shop you can actually enter without being treated like a leaper with the fucking Black plague. I mean, you need to take stand somewhere.

210553 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Country Mumkin, #1118 of 2468 🔗

I am not a lawyer, but I believe it is discriminatory not to offer the same level of service.

210686 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Country Mumkin, #1119 of 2468 🔗

I had a similar unnerving experience in the summer. I went to an appointment @ the Apple store in a shopping centre and was horrified by their aggressive security procedures. They thrust a thermometer at my forehead and ordered me bluntly to stand in line outside the store with a mask on. I was intimidated so I used my scarf.

After ten minutes waiting I was hot so I pulled it down and turned my face away from the queue but the burly guard came over and reprimanded me in a patronising manner. Is it even legal to force people to do this in a public walkway opposite their premises?

210692 ▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Country Mumkin, #1120 of 2468 🔗

Sorry i sent my reply to you to leemc23 by mistake .It’s underneath please read .

210173 Basics, replying to Basics, 2, #1121 of 2468 🔗

Edinburgh’s Royal Infirmary cancels patient operations to deal with surge in Covid admissions
Exclusive: NHS Lothian have confirmed that they have cancelled ‘non urgent’ elective surgery at Edinburgh’s Royal Infirmary

The local rag article does not say what percentage of beds are or give detail. 37 operations have been – new unthinkers buzzword – paused. That is the only possible detail to scale within the article.

210194 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Basics, 4, #1122 of 2468 🔗

I would bet my left nut that they cancel non urgent elective surgery at various points in each and every year.

I had an elective operation cancelled on my in 2012. I wonder if that was due to Covid or was due to a chronic lack of skill, investment, preparation or capability ?

210217 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Leemc23, 3, #1123 of 2468 🔗

Its just been posted by the venerable john Gait – nhs overwhelmed year by year since 2013… longer before obviously too.

210175 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 7, #1124 of 2468 🔗

In September Prof John Edmunds of SAGE said the draconian measures to supress c19 do not go far enough yet in march he said, ‘The ONLY way to stop this epidemic is indeed to achieve herd immunity’

Was he lying then or his he lying now? What made him change his mind? Science? or something else; politics?, funding?, etc….

https://order-order.com/people/john-edmunds/

210181 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Major Panic, 2, #1125 of 2468 🔗

Has he got a knighthood yet?

210190 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to RickH, 2, #1126 of 2468 🔗

Sir Matt Hancock. That’s one that’s coming down the tracks.

210551 ▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Leemc23, #1127 of 2468 🔗

Typo I think: Cur Matt Hancock

211103 ▶▶▶▶ chris c, replying to Leemc23, #1128 of 2468 🔗

Lord Hancock, please

210188 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Major Panic, 3, #1129 of 2468 🔗

Which point of view gets him on TV and at the head of the funding cue best. That’s why he says what he says when he says it. None of it is his core belief. He’s just whoring himself for money.

210198 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Major Panic, 2, #1130 of 2468 🔗

The Untrustables

210211 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Major Panic, 1, #1131 of 2468 🔗

Didn’t he predict 80,000 deaths in the second wave even with the tiers? Or was that Fibber Ferguson? Anyway, how’s that going? Will have to be a very long wave for that latest pretend prediction to come true.

210349 ▶▶ Evoluon, replying to Major Panic, 3, #1132 of 2468 🔗

I’d love to see a list of quotes from Sage members critical of the idea of lockdown or playing down the dire effects of cov-19.

210184 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to T. Prince, 2, #1134 of 2468 🔗

Too late Brady.

210191 ▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Leemc23, 3, #1135 of 2468 🔗

Especially when he says:

“It is extremely unlikely that new restrictions, if imposed, would only last for two or three weeks. It takes longer than that for the benefits of lockdown in controlling coronavirus to appear in the data. Are ministers likely to lift lockdown before it is seen to be working? Or the Opposition to support doing so? I think not, especially given that a two or three-week plan will take us deep into winter”

Not the ‘knight in shining armour’ after all

210204 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to T. Prince, 1, #1136 of 2468 🔗

No, but useful tinder for the coming bonfire of lockdown laws.

210271 ▶▶▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to OKUK, 5, #1137 of 2468 🔗

At least someone has called him out in the comments…

“Mr Brady, very reassuring article but I must take exception to:

“It takes longer than that for the benefits of lockdown in controlling coronavirus to appear in the data”

There is a plethora of evidence available now to show beyond doubt that there are NO benefits to lockdowns in controlling viruses. In fact, lockdowns have the completely opposite effect with (even!) the WHO condemning them for the damaging impact they have on health and welfare of the population. To even suggest that there are ‘benefits’ to ‘lockdowns’ or ‘circuit breakers’ means that the Government will never change coarse on this inhuman and insane strategy”

210207 ▶▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to T. Prince, 19, #1138 of 2468 🔗

They should never. EVER been enabled to do what they did in March. The failure is then. Not now. What’s happening now would never be possible if they had not been emboldened to do what they did in March. So any chance to “renew” those powers should have been refused. That did not happen. Every MP who voted for or failed to voice against the measures in March has, frankly been happy to throw ourselves and our families to the wolves. It’s not kind. It’s a simple. Pull the ladder up Jack approach. They all need to be on trial.

210209 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Leemc23, 3, #1139 of 2468 🔗

Spot on.

210187 Al T, replying to Al T, 7, #1140 of 2468 🔗

Well a brief scan of BBC ‘News’ this morning convinces me at last that the corporation should be defended.

An article warning if the dangers of private firework parts because of the extra pressure it may put in our overstretched NHS. FFS is there ANYTHING else we should avoid to save the NHS from having to do something?

An article about the lockdown in Victoria described as a response streets ahead of the US and UK; and which asks us to imagine Melbourne residents ‘confronting the terrifying reality of another deadly wave of infections. The sort of ridiculous hyperbole that wouldn’t be out of place in a cheap comic.

And Victoria Derbyshire-who has actually HAD a life threatening illness being forced into a mea culpa about the rule of six.

Enough!

210200 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Al T, 2, #1141 of 2468 🔗

Perhaps we should all avoid breathing?

210203 ▶▶▶ Al T, replying to Hieronimusb, 2, #1142 of 2468 🔗

Indeed, less pressure on the NHS

210250 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Hieronimusb, #1143 of 2468 🔗

There’ll be an article examining that proposition in The Guardian’ by the end of net week.

210201 ▶▶ sky_trees, replying to Al T, 3, #1144 of 2468 🔗

It was on at the gym today. Some nonsense normalising transgenderism was on there. (Such topics should be presented with counter evidence, not presented in the ‘this is self evidently true’ way), and then a load of adverts with every ‘type’ of person present from their simplistic view of people, apart from the ‘bad type’ – white males. It needs fundamental reform but I fear that will take a long time.

210579 ▶▶▶ Sceptical Lefty, replying to sky_trees, 1, #1145 of 2468 🔗

I’m a lockdown sceptic. I’m not anti trans. The two issues are not connected

210202 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Al T, 3, #1146 of 2468 🔗

Fireworks are not to be allowed in Socialist England. Because. Reasons. Absolutely laughable, but must be what the people want as I see no riots in streets.

210208 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Leemc23, 3, #1147 of 2468 🔗

Remember, remember the reason for october to november fireworks.

210251 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Leemc23, 2, #1148 of 2468 🔗

I’ve heard fireworks on several evenings recently.

210273 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Leemc23, 2, #1149 of 2468 🔗

I will now go out and buy some humdinger rockets.

210364 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to thinkaboutit, 1, #1150 of 2468 🔗

#metoo

and, being in Sussex, lots of rookies.

210394 ▶▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to JohnB, 1, #1151 of 2468 🔗

I’m Surrey. Our rockets might cross i.the sky.
I’ll point them south.

210252 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Al T, 4, #1152 of 2468 🔗

small typo but huge significance … you say “the corporation should be defended” ..
I am sure you meant DEFUNDED!!!!!

210603 ▶▶▶ Al T, replying to mjr, 1, #1153 of 2468 🔗

Spot on! My mistake for being so cross I forgot to override the damned predictive text!

210199 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 7, #1154 of 2468 🔗

The mask thing is bribery. Offering limited freedom for a vaccine that will offer even more limited freedom.

210221 ▶▶ Julian, replying to stefarm, 2, #1155 of 2468 🔗

What mask thing?

210245 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Julian, 1, #1156 of 2468 🔗

Not my mask!

210205 Marvin42, replying to Marvin42, 69, #1157 of 2468 🔗

An observation today. Outdoors – an old boy (80+), walking stick, head down, slowly shuffling along in the rain, alone. Masked. He looked defeated. The mask would be wringing wet due to the rain. This poor old chap is probably being scared silly every day by the 6pm News and now thinks he is protecting himself with his mask. When, in actual fact, he is probably on his way to some awful bacterial infection whilst becoming more and more isolated on every journey ventured out.

I’ll never forgive the B***ARDS who introduced these vile things into society without a full cost benefit analysis about their effect on health and society. So cross today, so sad too. It is the folk who needed to be treated with respect and care the most (like the chap mentioned) who are now amongst those being thrown under the bus.

210210 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Marvin42, 4, #1158 of 2468 🔗

used to feel sorry for them – no longer

210219 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Victoria, 16, #1159 of 2468 🔗

The poor old chap is more a victim than an enemy, IMO

210238 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Julian, 9, #1160 of 2468 🔗

If he isn’t online, what do you think he does? He’ll read the paper and watch the news. B I th mask advocates.

Then he may ask his NHS working daughter. Again, masks save lives.

He, unlike you, has a small window of info on this issue.

210822 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1161 of 2468 🔗

He would have been happy with his small window, but now it is killing him.

210817 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Julian, 5, #1162 of 2468 🔗

Mask wearers have crossed a line and cannot be easily forgiven.

210244 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Victoria, 4, #1163 of 2468 🔗

The sister of pity is contempt.

210363 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to calchas, 2, #1164 of 2468 🔗

Well I do feel a mixture pity and contempt in part, but I am not a good person. However, for the purposes of persuading people like him, neither of those is helpful.

210206 rose, replying to rose, 6, #1165 of 2468 🔗

Has anyone designed any good leaflets and posters that can be shared with us to print and hand out? I am going to cover all my town’s noticeboards with anti lockdown/mask information this week. Perhaps a little display on all those disused telephone boxes. So ideas for things to include all welcome.

210215 ▶▶ Julian, replying to rose, 2, #1166 of 2468 🔗

If you go back over the last few days’ worth of LS comments, most days someone has posted some good stuff. I forget the person’s name, other LSers might remember.

210232 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to rose, 3, #1167 of 2468 🔗

Hi Rose, I posted a leaflet here a few Saturdays ago (in response to a similar request from NoCheeseGromit). I can repost later this afternoon when I get home.

210406 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to kh1485, #1168 of 2468 🔗

Here it is.

210262 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Mabel Cow, #1170 of 2468 🔗

Great stuff!

210341 ▶▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #1171 of 2468 🔗

Great posters I’ll be ordering some to put around locally.

210362 ▶▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Suzyv, #1172 of 2468 🔗

Just ordered some, thanks. Some stickers for the village in time for Remembrance Sunday. BTW clicked on thumbs down by mistake when trying to reply! sorry!

210280 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to rose, 10, #1173 of 2468 🔗
210283 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to JohnB, 4, #1174 of 2468 🔗

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210287 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to JohnB, 6, #1175 of 2468 🔗

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210291 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to JohnB, 4, #1176 of 2468 🔗

.

210294 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to JohnB, 3, #1177 of 2468 🔗

and a serious one.

210354 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to rose, 2, #1178 of 2468 🔗

It’a good idea, as the MSM is so biased.
Although the UK is one of the more lucky countries in that regard.
In Germany, one of the leaders of the resistance, Dr. Bodo Schiffmann, has created a self-organizing group of Freiheitsboten/Freedom Messengers- as most other stuff, all on Telegram now- who collect his centrally printed leaflets and distribute them in their own neighbourhoods.
So far, there are almost 40.000 people who have signed up and a few millions of leaflets distributed.
The regional MSM then comments furiously about it, of course.
Which is good.
Very much like the Scholl siblings did it.

210644 ▶▶ wat tyler, replying to rose, 1, #1180 of 2468 🔗

Go to the forum and in the general discussions there is a thread saying poster and tee shirts .This has a few designs . One is a soldier with the saying HE FOUGHT FOR LIBERTY WHAT HAVE YOU DONE .some people i know used it but changed the wording to HE FOUGHT FOR LIBERTY ! DON’T LET IT BE THROWN AWAY .which is great and just the thing with the poppy appeal going on . Check it out and good luck .

210647 ▶▶ wat tyler, replying to rose, #1181 of 2468 🔗

The person with the posters is Mabel Cow .

210218 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 4, #1182 of 2468 🔗

In response to the police sergeants story about the police recruiting EU nationals in the TSG. This reminds me of the loony left going on about how multicultural the Roman army was. The Roman Empire wasn’t daft and had men from across the empire in there ranks. 1 as a Roman citizen you couldn’t be crucified and 2 when the Romans were conquering new territory they were relatively easy going, but once they were assimilated any rebellion would be savagely put down. To put down a rebellion without mercy, the Romans knew you didn’t use local forces or their neighbours (ie people who they may know and have sympathy with them) they used foreign soldiers, with no connection to the rebels.

210242 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Smelly Melly, 3, #1183 of 2468 🔗

Likewise, at Tienanmen Square the Chinese used troops from places far from Beijing.

210298 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Smelly Melly, 2, #1184 of 2468 🔗

That eventually backfired on the Romans when Arminius turned on them and destroyed Varus and his legion in the German forests.

210356 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Liam, 1, #1185 of 2468 🔗

Shhhhh. Spoiler alert…. (Barbarians)

210358 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, #1186 of 2468 🔗

You’ve wrecked it for Toby now.

210334 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Smelly Melly, 2, #1187 of 2468 🔗

So when we eventually see soldiers on the streets, they won’t be our lads, will they? Is this why our forces are still to be in thrall to the EU?

210343 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Banjones, 1, #1188 of 2468 🔗

Yep, it’s an EU army.

210386 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Banjones, 3, #1189 of 2468 🔗

An ex-Soldier has been warning me since June that there is an agreement in place for French troops to man the streets in the event of marshal law as the British soldiers would refuse to fire on our own citizens. I thought it was outlandish at the time – now it wouldn’t surprise me.

210402 ▶▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Darryl, 4, #1190 of 2468 🔗

Heard something similar from my old-forces mates that are still in the Service. I always knew something this would be possible, but now the plan is getting very clear.. If there are troops on the streets, well I guess something will have to be done..

210432 ▶▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Thomas_E, 3, #1191 of 2468 🔗

Haven’t researched it yet but apparently Australia now has a law allowing foreign forces to patrol the streets in Australia including letting them use force if necessary. The world has gone completely mad if this is true – looks like a global coup by a technocratic elite.

210342 ▶▶ Felice, replying to Smelly Melly, 2, #1192 of 2468 🔗

Same in Spain under Franco. Guardia Civil were from totally different parts of the country and lived in barracks outside the town so that there was no mixing.
It’s also starting to happen in the Sultanate of Oman. After the Arab Spring demonstrations, they started up a new law enforcement brigade. Huge barracks outside the towns, personnel from elsewhere so no worry about not being loyal.
Never thought it would come to the UK.

210374 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Felice, 1, #1193 of 2468 🔗

Franco’s most notorious troops were his North Africans.

210384 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Smelly Melly, #1194 of 2468 🔗

This reminds me of the loony left …”

I’m more worried about the ‘loony right’ at the moment – they’ve actually knicked the key of the door.

210228 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 23, #1195 of 2468 🔗

Just got back from a brief jaunt into Otley. Went first to Post office In my unmasked state and had a nice chat with the unmasked lady behind the counter (glass screen in place but nice to see a face). Friendliness itself.

On to Sainsburys where, very much to my surprise, there was a small queue. Four separate couples, socially distanced, all waiting in a line near to the sanitiser outside the shop. ‘Excuse me’ I said to the tail end couple ‘are you just waiting to use the sanitiser? ‘Err, yes, I think so’ came the reply and with that I just by passed them all and walked in. No door marshall of course as Sainsburys seems to be one of the good guys in this respect. I wonder if all the couples were indeed waiting to use the sanitiser or if people are now so conditioned to automatically join a queue when they see one that they don’t realise that unless there is a door person checking numbers they can walk straight in.

Went to self check out and scanned my beer which then put a hold on things until the assistant came along to do his thing with his pass. Ever one to break the ice and attempt humour I cracked ‘just as well you can see my face to check I’m over eighteen’. He was wearing a mask but I could see him guffaw behind it and he replied ‘That’s all-right sir–I can see’.

But it does beg the question….What is there to stop an under age youth donning a mask up to his eye balls, dark glasses, hat and large jacket and buying any amount of stuff reserved only for us serious, responsible and mature adults. And if the assistant decides that there is some doubt as to the age of the masked purchaser would he then insist on him taking off his mask for proof of age? Some irony here don’t you think? ! But of course this country is governed by serious, responsible and mature adults who set out rules and regulations for the benefit of us all, young and old, and you and I both know…where would we be without them?

210240 ▶▶ Ossettian, replying to Harry hopkins, 6, #1196 of 2468 🔗

In ASDA a few weeks ago the assistant asked a young woman buying alcohol t6o remove her mask.

210256 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Ossettian, 2, #1197 of 2468 🔗

Ha ha that should not be allowed

210279 ▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Ossettian, 7, #1198 of 2468 🔗

Actually, the more I think about it, there’s another good reason not to wear a mask…… ‘Where’s your mask?’ ‘I’m about to buy alcohol and they need to see I’m old enough’.

210399 ▶▶▶ davews, replying to Ossettian, 4, #1199 of 2468 🔗

Tesco have notices saying that people may be asked to remove their masks for age verification purposes. I think at 71 I look a bit older than 18…

211113 ▶▶▶▶ chris c, replying to davews, #1200 of 2468 🔗

Yes Co-Op too. They removed the self-scanners probably because they kept crashing, but when they still had them I had to be age-checked for buying paracetamol. I look as old as I am (well over 60)

210229 Jonny S., replying to Jonny S., 14, #1201 of 2468 🔗

Just like the climate change scam. Follow the money.

https://www.gatesfoundation.org/How-We-Work/Quick-Links/Grants-Database#q/k=imperial

According to the Gates foundation website, this year alone Imperial college have received 8 grants totalling $88,862,969 for various issues.

Hmmn so why is the only way out of this a vaccine?

210421 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Jonny S., 1, #1202 of 2468 🔗

Lol. £88m in grants. No wonder Imperial don’t want this all to end.

210504 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Jonny S., #1203 of 2468 🔗

What does a university department do with that sort of money? Could someone check whether the local newsagents have sold out of brown envelopes?

210556 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Basileus, #1204 of 2468 🔗

Buy limos for the fat cats in charge!

210235 Kevin 2, replying to Kevin 2, 2, #1205 of 2468 🔗

The ‘harm offensive’ is in full swing:-

“A non-peer-reviewed study of more than 84,000 people, led by Adam Hampshire, a doctor at Imperial College London, found that in some severe cases, coronavirus infection is linked to substantial cognitive deficits for months.
“Our analyses … align with the view that there are chronic cognitive consequences of having COVID-19,” the researchers wrote in a report of their findings. “People who had recovered, including those no longer reporting symptoms, exhibited significant cognitive deficits.””

https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-brains-int-idUSKBN27C1RN?taid=5f9833b47b7d920001503908&utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

Note ‘trueAnthem’ in the link.
TrueAnthem is an ‘AI-Powered Content Distribution Platform’.

210259 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Kevin 2, 7, #1206 of 2468 🔗

Sitting around watching netflix for 7 months will do that to you.

210236 Victoria, 2, #1207 of 2468 🔗

PUB RAIDED. Pizza is Not Enough | Carl Vernon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mSJiJuABRY

210247 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 7, #1208 of 2468 🔗

Imperial Crappage is at it again, with more fake research and bogus conclusions.

210308 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Stuart, 8, #1209 of 2468 🔗

If they can publish non-peer review idiocy that has not been checked or verified (Same as Royal Society) then why can’t the Danish report be published non-peer reviewed?

210315 ▶▶▶ Ricky R, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #1210 of 2468 🔗

Because they urgently need “the science” to shut up the growing voices calling for herd immunity in order to carry on justifying their lockdowns. It’s a farce.

210410 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Awkward Git, #1211 of 2468 🔗

Because they produce the correct material.

210419 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Awkward Git, #1212 of 2468 🔗

Don’t believe for a moment the Danish report is going to achieve anything. Even if it proved Peter Sutcliffe was a bit dodgy people would keep masking up and protesting that his hammer was not anything to be worried about.

210630 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Awkward Git, #1213 of 2468 🔗

Good point

210416 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Stuart, #1214 of 2468 🔗

Not peer reviewed and pre published.

Cue experts using it to have a go at the Great Barrington Declaration for not being peer reviewed – happened today on Radio !

“Let’s have our cake and eat it”. Prof Pantsdown.

210248 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 8, #1215 of 2468 🔗

Huge Lawsuits Coming Against COVID Totalitarians and Con-Artists
https://thenewamerican.com/huge-lawsuits-coming-against-covid-totalitarians-and-con-artists/

210288 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Victoria, 9, #1216 of 2468 🔗

Dr. Reiner Fuellmich is someone to keep an eye on. One of the good guys, if you can get hold of his youtube video well worth a look. If not check out his interview on Jermdraws

https://jermdraws.com/blog/dr-reiner-fuellmich-says-lockdowns-are-a-crime-against-humanity?rq=Dr.%20Reiner%20Fuellmich

210810 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Jonny S., 1, #1217 of 2468 🔗

He certainly is! and they work with Lord Sumption
More related links
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/10/17/coronavirus-fraud-biggest-crime-against-humanity.aspx

Dr Reiner Fullmich ‘crimes against Humanity’
Coronavirus Fraud Scandal — The Biggest Fight Has Just Begun
Reported on by Dr. Joseph Mercola
STORY AT-A-GLANCE
The German Corona Extra-Parliamentary Inquiry Committee (Außerparlamentarischer Corona Untersuchungsausschuss), launched July 10, 2020, was founded by four trial attorneys to investigate and prosecute those responsible for implementing the economically devastating lockdowns around the world, as well as using fraudulent testing to engineer the appearance of a dangerous pandemic.

https://worlddoctorsalliance.com/blog/crimes-against-humanity-the-german-corona-investigation/ which has been initiated by:
https://www.worlddoctorsalliance.com/

210366 ▶▶ Helen, replying to Victoria, 2, #1218 of 2468 🔗

Thanks for posting this Victoria.

ACU member Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi, a microbiologist who has argued from the start that the authoritarian government response to COVID-19 was outrageous. “Do any scientifically sound data exist to support this contention for COVID-19? I assert that the answer is simply, no . New American.

Dr. R. Füllmich said that will be making an important announcement this week to perhaps next.

210249 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 19, #1219 of 2468 🔗

I have come to the reluctant conclusion that a lot of people actually like wearing face nappies.
In this part of the world, I have seen muzzles with Wolverhampton Wanderers and West Bromwich Albion logos on and no doubt other sceptics could tell me about Liverpool, Manchester United and city, Chelsea,Tottenham,etc.
What next? face rags with “it was the Sun wot won it” and special limited editions of “strictly come dancing” and “bake off”?
Times like this I could truly despair,
but I ain’t sodding going to.

210270 ▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Fingerache Philip., 15, #1220 of 2468 🔗

From the very start of this scamdemic there has been a sizeable portion of people who see masks as a fashion accessory. And of course, for the super wealthy, an individually created face mask is a true measure of wealth that you can broadcast to the world.
To date, (and it may have been superseded by now) the most expensive mask cost 1.5 million dollars.
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/world-most-expensive-face-mask-221802860.html

210275 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Harry hopkins, 15, #1221 of 2468 🔗

no – the most expensive mask is the small blue one .. so far its costs us £300 billion

210276 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #1222 of 2468 🔗

Yes, I wonder how much the collaborators pay for a muzzle with their team’s logo on?
Any information, fellow sceptics?

210301 ▶▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #1223 of 2468 🔗

Can you get one with ‘Blyth Spartans’ logo on? Played for them in my youth and they always struggled for money. Might be tempted to buy one, not to wear of course but just to add to my ridiculous memento collection to look back on with incredulity when this is all over.

210325 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Harry hopkins, 3, #1224 of 2468 🔗

Yes,Harry even in Shropshire we have heard of the wonderfully named Blyth Spartans, have you got the equally brilliantly named Accrington Stanley and Crewe Alexandra?
My absolute favourite named team was Shepshed Charterhouse but they changed their name to boring Shepshed Albion.

210330 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #1225 of 2468 🔗

I used to play in a local league against a team called Mottingham Forest

210340 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to stefarm, 2, #1226 of 2468 🔗

Keep em coming folks, it’ll pass the time until we can roll the guillotines and scaffolds out.

210347 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #1227 of 2468 🔗

There’s one in my neck of the woods called Cefn Druids AFC. I imagine them burning a sacrifice in a wickerman to bring victory before each match.

210367 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Mr Dee, #1228 of 2468 🔗

That’s a good idea for the collaborators.

210449 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #1229 of 2468 🔗

I’ve got you beat with this one Philip.
I also spent some time with Gateshead FC. who were managed by George Hardwick (ex England player) at the time. We used to have a pop group play in the ground at home games which drew the punters in. Us team members would get really excited when we would see hundreds of people in the rickety stand thinking we would have good support when we kicked off. Trouble was as soon as the game started the crowd drifted away on account of the music was the attraction and not us amateur hackers.
But the creme da la creme came near one Christmas when shortly before the match was due to start Hardwick announced that he couldn’t find a ball to play with and that he would have to go home and get the one he had bought his son for Xmas!—Oh happy days, I remember them well!

210568 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Fingerache Philip., #1230 of 2468 🔗

Bedlington Terriers. Appropriate for the muzzling era I suppose.

210388 ▶▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #1231 of 2468 🔗

How about; ‘Cognitively challenged’..

210411 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Kevin 2, #1232 of 2468 🔗

I am sure I used to hear the phrase “hide your face in shame”. I suspect a lot of people are adopting those masks to do exactly that.

210274 ▶▶ Marvin42, replying to Fingerache Philip., 12, #1233 of 2468 🔗

I can’t stand seeing folk in Football Team masks. That means they actually selected a specific mask for fashion purposes… promoting the new normal as if it were a good thing.
Vile.

210285 ▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Marvin42, 5, #1234 of 2468 🔗

I have experienced a similar revulsion on spotting these fucktards.

210320 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to Marvin42, 7, #1235 of 2468 🔗

Back in the summer,even before the mandatory masks thing,I passed a bloke on the street wearing a Notts Forest mask that just about covered the whole of his smug face,I told him he was twat,he looked surprised.

210324 ▶▶▶▶ smileymiley, replying to Paul, #1236 of 2468 🔗

🤣 😂 😂 😂 😂

210328 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Marvin42, #1237 of 2468 🔗

I’ve seen a top terrace boy* wearing a stone island mask!!

*An overweight 50 year old maskerading as a top terrace boy 30 years past his sell by date.

210322 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #1238 of 2468 🔗

I think they like virtue-signalling.

If they like it so much, then why did so few wear them before they became mandatory?

The problem for the virtue-signaller is, that as more and more other people virtue-signal the less you stand out.

When masks become mandatory, then they become useless for virtue-signalling and remain only as a burden.

Novelty gone.

If mandatory masking was removed, then they would be virtually gone inside a month.

210794 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to calchas, 1, #1239 of 2468 🔗

Watching the Yesterday channel. Commercial break, nearly every fucking advert has masked people in it.

210326 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #1240 of 2468 🔗

You can get face masks with political party logos on them. That’s 1984 for you.

Or how about this cute and friendly design

210332 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1241 of 2468 🔗

UNBELIEVABLE.

210524 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1242 of 2468 🔗

vomit

210659 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1243 of 2468 🔗

WTAF!

210329 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #1244 of 2468 🔗

So many companies sprang up producing muzzles.
I am sure the market stall in my town who sells them makes a good profit, I always see quite a few people buying some (cloth ones).
My friend spent £9 on one, which fell out of her pocket 3 days later.
Tbh, when she moaned about it, I had no sympathy. I just said, you don’t need one anyway.

210345 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Silke David, #1245 of 2468 🔗

NUFF SAID!

210627 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Silke David, #1246 of 2468 🔗

I bet we’ll soon be seeing Christmas masks….yuk

I see parallels with branded clothing – you don’t have to think too hard to be part of the in crowd.

210408 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #1247 of 2468 🔗

I agree. A lot of people like them.

I wonder how many of those consider 1) what they are made of
2) what they are doing to their bodies
3) how recycled they can be.

Answer – 1) no idea 2) no ideas 3) no idea

Enjoy the medical ones most good people – ethylene oxide – amazing stuff.

210257 2 pence, replying to 2 pence, 18, #1248 of 2468 🔗

Great Barrington Declaration author refuses to back down over herd immunity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZKXce5e4Xg&ab_channel=talkRADIO

210327 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to 2 pence, 3, #1249 of 2468 🔗

It’s quite encouraging the read the comments underneath that video. Right now anyway.

210267 T. Prince, replying to T. Prince, 7, #1250 of 2468 🔗

It’s a miracle!!!!

“Nicola Sturgeon says coronavirus restrictions on Scotland’s central belt appear to be having an effect. MSPs are expected to approve a new tiered system of restrictions today”.

Spectator update

210277 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to T. Prince, 1, #1251 of 2468 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPlavncXPKQ&ab_channel=OneLineMovieQuotes

Reminds me of this film. the man being Covid in this instance.

210339 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to T. Prince, 2, #1252 of 2468 🔗

Take 2

So the whole of Scotland to be locked down now then??? makes perfect sense

210344 ▶▶ jb12, replying to T. Prince, 1, #1253 of 2468 🔗

Establishing that lockdowns ‘work’ so that she can enforce a full lockdown in the winter. Very crafty.

210403 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to T. Prince, 1, #1254 of 2468 🔗

The fantastic story of the Tiger Horn (copyright Ivor Cummings)

210272 Confused, replying to Confused, 2, #1255 of 2468 🔗

Hang on a minute. If antibodies don’t hang around in the bloodstream after exposure has passed AND the presence of antibodies in the population has fallen by 26%…

…Doesn’t that imply that fewer people are being exposed to Covid than they were a few months ago?

Unless I’m misunderstanding something, Imperial’s findings seem to suggest the opposite of the conclusion they’ve drawn.

210457 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Confused, 5, #1256 of 2468 🔗

You will get this once. You will get over it. You will encounter the virus again in life and it’s effect on you will be greatly diminished. Because your immune system will recognise the virus and know what to do. That’s it. Your not “immune” but your system will know how to defeat it and you won’t notice (probably). That’s why I think so many people who test positive are asymptomatic. I don’t think Covid-19 is new. I think it’s just newly identified. The reason for the lack of impact on most people is that they have already had it. That’s my theory and I am sticking to it.

210575 ▶▶▶ watashi, replying to Leemc23, #1257 of 2468 🔗

Sounds like a good theory to me

210281 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #1258 of 2468 🔗

Question: how does a vaccine stimulate T-cell activity? Presumably it would have to actually invade your cells in order to do it..? Is this where live vaccines come in?

If SARS-Cov-2 is fought off primarily the by T-cell response, does this mean that a vaccine that only stimulates antibodies is not really doing very much?

I see references to these vaccine scientists trying to stimulate long lasting antibody response, and being the cynic I am, I imagine that they’d stop at nothing to do it, including triggering a response to some spurious garbage and saying that it’s a response to SARS-Cov-2.

210292 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Barney McGrew, 4, #1259 of 2468 🔗

If SARS-Cov-2 is fought off primarily the by T-cell response, does this mean that a vaccine that only stimulates antibodies is not really doing very much?

‘They’ now say that the vaccine won’t prevent Covid but might reduce symptoms. Why would you get this untested DNA altering vaccine for this reason?

Vaccines are supposed to stimulate antibodies, nothing to do with T-Cells.

Improve your immunity!!!!

210380 ▶▶ JudgeMental, replying to Barney McGrew, 2, #1260 of 2468 🔗

The genetic vaccines they are developing are designed to get into your cells and instruct them to manufacture the coronavirus spike protein. This is presented on the outside of the cell and your T cells will detect that your cell has been hijacked and invoke an immune response. So this will be the primary response the the vaccine. T cells I believe are also involved in the process for antibodies to be made.

210438 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to JudgeMental, 3, #1261 of 2468 🔗

Messenger T-cells prompt B-cells to create antibodies. There’s a good explanation on youTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oI0jVN4TTI
and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFNxXfwlP3A

210622 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to JudgeMental, #1262 of 2468 🔗

Thanks. But this involves your body destroying the ‘infected’ calls?

211124 ▶▶▶▶ chris c, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #1263 of 2468 🔗

What could possibly go wrong?

I’ll stick to tuning up my immune systerm with things like today’s rump steak and Brussels sprouts, and of course sunshine. Vitamins D3, K2, C and zinc may help over winter. In the last fifteen years I haven’t had flu and only about two colds, until I had the covid-like thing in December so I must be doing something right. Even that wasn’t as bad as some people had it.

My generation pretty much missed out on vaccine mania, just polio, diptheria and smallpox. I believe US kids now get something like 80 vaccines so I suspect their immune system is pretty much shredded.

210282 Harold P, 3, #1264 of 2468 🔗

MP’s Served Notice of Private Criminal Prosecution For Pandemic Fraud [30.09.20]https://www.thebernician.net/mps-served-notice-of-private-criminal-prosecution-for-pandemic-fraud/

Private Criminal Prosecution of Parliament | Top Legal Team Engaged [16.10.20]https://www.thebernician.net/private-criminal-prosecution-of-parliament-top-legal-team-engaged/

Summonses To Be Issued Against Every Criminal MP [26.10.20]https://www.thebernician.net/summonses-to-be-issued-against-every-criminal-mp/

210286 Harold P, 3, #1265 of 2468 🔗

MP’s Served Notice of Private Criminal Prosecution For Pandemic Fraud [30.09.20]https://www.thebernician.net/mps-served-notice-of-private-criminal-prosecution-for-pandemic-fraud/

Private Criminal Prosecution of Parliament | Top Legal Team Engaged [16.10.20]https://www.thebernician.net/private-criminal-prosecution-of-parliament-top-legal-team-engaged/

Summonses To Be Issued Against Every Criminal MP [26.10.20] https://www.thebernician.net/summonses-to-be-issued-against-every-criminal-mp/

210290 Harold P, 3, #1266 of 2468 🔗

MP’s Served Notice of Private Criminal Prosecution For Pandemic Fraud [30.09.20] https://www.thebernician.net/mps-served-notice-of-private-criminal-prosecution-for-pandemic-fraud/

Private Criminal Prosecution of Parliament | Top Legal Team Engaged [16.10.20] https://www.thebernician.net/private-criminal-prosecution-of-parliament-top-legal-team-engaged/

Summonses To Be Issued Against Every Criminal MP [26.10.20]https://www.thebernician.net/summonses-to-be-issued-against-every-criminal-mp/

210297 Harold P, replying to Harold P, 12, #1267 of 2468 🔗

MP’s Served Notice of Private Criminal Prosecution For Pandemic Fraud [30.09.20] https://www.thebernician.net/mps-served-notice-of-private-criminal-prosecution-for-pandemic-fraud/

Private Criminal Prosecution of Parliament | Top Legal Team Engaged [16.10.20] https://www.thebernician.net/private-criminal-prosecution-of-parliament-top-legal-team-engaged/

Summonses To Be Issued Against Every Criminal MP [26.10.20] https://www.thebernician.net/summonses-to-be-issued-against-every-criminal-mp/

210840 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Harold P, #1268 of 2468 🔗

Didn’t someone say yesterday that 10 MPs had already resigned because of this? Is there any evidence of that?

210299 Basics, replying to Basics, 7, #1269 of 2468 🔗

If the end goals of these creatures like jackboot johnson hancock gates schwab was a given they would not be trying so hard.

210314 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Basics, 5, #1270 of 2468 🔗

Dead right .

In fact, I think they’re up against it.

It’s the hubris of those in power, as so often throughout history.

210336 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Basics, 2, #1271 of 2468 🔗

So the whole of Scotland to be locked down now then??? makes perfect sense

210338 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to stefarm, #1272 of 2468 🔗

Wrong post, doh

210351 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to Basics, 6, #1273 of 2468 🔗

What’s keeping me going at the moment is that, if we are lucky, this could end up going so wrong for the WEF types that they actually get less of a societal change than if they’d just tried to gradually change things over 5 years or so. ie a massive push back, and refusal by normal people to go in for any of their rubbish.

But I admit it is getting very high risk now that they might actually get everything they ever wanted. And that is a very bleak future indeed.

210365 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to kenadams, 2, #1274 of 2468 🔗

Such things are always high risk. You have to make your peace with it as we will all be asked to stand for our pinciples sooner or later.

210300 T. Prince, replying to T. Prince, 13, #1275 of 2468 🔗

Coronavirus could age the brain by 10 years or cause IQ to fall

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/coronavirus-could-age-the-brain-by-10-years-or-cause-iq-to-fall-v9s273rbs

We now know why so many people believe the bilge…..!

210312 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to T. Prince, 8, #1276 of 2468 🔗

The IQ couldn’t fall much further anyway…

210520 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to JHuntz, 1, #1277 of 2468 🔗

Indeed it is borderline

210337 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to T. Prince, 3, #1278 of 2468 🔗

Herd immunity must be high in Westminster

210368 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to T. Prince, 2, #1279 of 2468 🔗

That explains Boris

210372 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to T. Prince, 1, #1280 of 2468 🔗

Er, but most people haven’t had it. . . I wonder what masks do to your cognitive abilities. MW

210373 ▶▶ RickH, replying to T. Prince, 5, #1281 of 2468 🔗

So – they’ve all had Covid in Westminster??

Is that the excuse?

210445 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to T. Prince, 2, #1282 of 2468 🔗

Covid-19 could age the brain. Key word COULD. I could wake up tomorrow with three feet and cucumber nose. Well I COULD

210474 ▶▶ leggy, replying to T. Prince, 2, #1283 of 2468 🔗

Just when I thought the piss could not be taken any further…

210629 ▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to leggy, #1284 of 2468 🔗

Don’t think they’re ‘taking’ the piss, we’re giving it away…

210321 Mrs issedoff, replying to Mrs issedoff, 23, #1285 of 2468 🔗

If I see anyone outside wearing a mask (other than the very elderly)it is my new policy to give them a filthy look. I really despise these people, they are the brain dead among us and no longer deserve any pity. Are they really happy to, firstly look bloody stupid, secondly, leave themselves open to catching some other nasty disease. I am concerned for all the poor people being forced to wear them for hours on end in the work place. I have been given some info saying that a lot of people didn’t die of the Spanish flu during the 1918 pandemic, they died of bacterial pneumonia due to mask wearing. I’m not sure if this is kosher but going to do more digging.

210360 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mrs issedoff, 3, #1286 of 2468 🔗

Yes. That’s Spanish flu claim is from a paper co authored by Dr Fauci about 5 years ago I believe.

210573 ▶▶ Lili, replying to Mrs issedoff, 1, #1287 of 2468 🔗

I now veer between pity and anger, with a touch of fear, still. The fear is because I have always had a fear of masks and can’t stand Halloween parties for that reason.

210352 Liam, replying to Liam, 31, #1288 of 2468 🔗

I was out in the car an hour or so ago, popping round to my elderly parents to help them out with a few things (Tier 2 criminal butcher that I am). Had the radio on – Steve Wright on radio 2. Usually find him ok. He opened the show with some blurb and then said “get in touch tell us about how you socially distance and stay safe at work”, like it’s all a big laugh.

I’m afraid I stopped the car in the middle of the road and screamed like a banshee ☹️ When I eventually got to my parents I was too hoarse to speak properly. This has never happened to me before.

210361 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Liam, 9, #1289 of 2468 🔗

I would have probably crashed.

210370 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Liam, 13, #1290 of 2468 🔗

happens to me all the time..I can’t watch any MSM except Netflix or Amazon prime series Everything else makes me too angry to cope..

210427 ▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Thomas_E, 1, #1291 of 2468 🔗

Netflix Fargo series is a good escape from the political virus shenanigans.

210450 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to KBuchanan, 1, #1292 of 2468 🔗

Other shows that IMO are worth watching:
Rake – Netflix (NF)
Rita – NF
Hjordis – NF
El Marginal – NF
Ameican Gods – Amazon Prime
Dag
The Sopranos
The Wire
The Corner

210536 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to stefarm, 3, #1293 of 2468 🔗

The Bureau (French spy drama, full of smoking, shagging and very un-PC)

210578 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Julian, #1294 of 2468 🔗

Oui Oui

210583 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Julian, 1, #1295 of 2468 🔗

Gomorrah (Italian crime drama, full of drug deals, homicides and very un-PC) – Sky Atlantic

210589 ▶▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to stefarm, #1296 of 2468 🔗

Stefarm just like me I can see you you’ve made the most of this lockdown… I’ll need to look out a few of them.

210836 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to stefarm, 1, #1297 of 2468 🔗

The Bridge (the Swedish & Danish version) is great – several series to enjoy!

210521 ▶▶▶ Eddy, replying to Thomas_E, #1298 of 2468 🔗

Get off those 2 as well.

210621 ▶▶▶ CapLlam, replying to Thomas_E, #1299 of 2468 🔗

The Boys on Amazon prime is a good series.

211046 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to CapLlam, #1300 of 2468 🔗

Correct!

210371 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Liam, 5, #1301 of 2468 🔗

You’re best with something that has uninterrupted music and minimal talk, since most talk involves unthinking garbage as far as Covid is concerned.

210424 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Liam, 6, #1302 of 2468 🔗

I know mate, it’s all a jolly jape isn’t it. Such a dangerous virus they can all make fun of it.

Fucking shills.

Chin up, we are all backing the right horse!

210477 ▶▶ Lili, replying to Liam, 4, #1303 of 2468 🔗

Yep. Have done a bit of screaming myself over the past few months. I want to shake people or – in my more dark moments – hit them or throttle them. I’m normally a very calm person.

210519 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to Liam, 2, #1304 of 2468 🔗

Praise the Lord

210353 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 8, #1305 of 2468 🔗

Article from last year where Hancock talks about compulsory vaccinations for children, which of course he and Rishi and Vallance and no doubt many of out leaders stand to make a fortune from.

https://metro.co.uk/2019/09/30/children-forced-compulsory-vaccination-government-plans-10830352/

Now that’s standard form these psychopaths believing that the State has any such right, but this stood out for me:

“He added: ‘Maybe they have got cancer so their immune system is too weak, and they are losing what’s called ‘the herd immunity’ that you get from when over 95% of people are vaccinated”

Thats the Herd Immunity he claims doesn’t exist. The herd immunity that Vallance and Witty said was a goal for the UK back in Feb/Mar.

Yes that one.

Doesn’t exist.

210376 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #1306 of 2468 🔗

Definitely psychopaths – they don’t believe in personal choice or self reliance. Conservatives are now basically the party of big state totalitarianism.

Could never have imagined a British government would heartlessly unleash the State propaganda machine against the population the way it has.

210391 ▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1307 of 2468 🔗

It has been the entire underpinning of the childhood vaccination scheme; it is thrust in the face of every parent, which is why their duplicity is so maddening.

210369 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 14, #1308 of 2468 🔗

Are we staring permanent restrictions in the face?

From The Telegraph (paywall), an excellent article by Ross Clark:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/27/matt-hancocks-chilling-logic-fading-covid-immunity-will-condemn/

Summary from the live feed (free access):

‘Matt Hancock’s chilling logic will condemn Britain to permanent lockdown’

No punches pulled by Ross Clark in his take on the latest immunity findings:

If Covid antibodies do last only a few months in the human system, it could have profound implications for the likely success of vaccines. The words of Professor Paul Elliott, director of the Imperial College study, that “the vaccine response may behave differently to the response to natural infection” is hardly reassuring.

We are facing the possibility that even if the billions being spent on vaccines does produce a viable drug, we could find that its effect wears off too rapidly to be of much use.

Government policy doesn’t seem to take this into account. Asked on the Today programme recently what was the long-term strategy for Covid-19, health secretary Matt Hancock said it was to suppress the virus until a vaccine came along. And what if an effective vaccine doesn’t come along? There seems to be no plan.

Britain’s Health Secretary Matt Hancock wearing a face mask during a visit with Britain’s Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall (unseen) to watch a demonstration by the charity Medical Detection Dogs.

The Health Secretary Matt Hancock wearing a face mask during a visit with Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall to watch a demonstration by the charity Medical Detection Dogs today. Credit: Justin Tallis/WPA Pool/Getty Images

Why not? At some point – and sooner rather than later – we are going to have to have a reasoned debate as to what happens in the long term if the SARS-CoV-19 virus becomes endemic.

Back in the spring, ministers at least used to tell us that we couldn’t live in lockdown forever. Now, they appear to think we can subsist in a perpetual twilight world of local lockdowns, circuit-breakers and permanent bans on meeting up with more than a few people.

And this final paragraph from the article:

But sooner or later we need to have a far more blunt national conversation. How revealing it would be to see the results of an opinion poll which asked this, honest, question: what would you rather have, a lifetime of foreign holidays and the chance to meet up with friends several times a week, or to live under current conditions and enjoy a slightly higher chance of living into your nineties?

210383 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Tenchy, 14, #1309 of 2468 🔗

Thing is, we worked that out in March. It’s as though the rest of the world can’t see more than a few days ahead and just blunders about, wrecking the world.

210422 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Tenchy, 8, #1311 of 2468 🔗

That choice is of course false.

Th destruction of social life will reduce life expectancy, as will the stress and lower standard of living caused by lockdowns.

210429 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to calchas, 1, #1312 of 2468 🔗

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/01/160104163210.htm

See here for example on the link between longevity and social connectiion.

210584 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1313 of 2468 🔗

“At some point – and sooner rather than later – we are going to have to have a reasoned debate as to what happens in the long term if the SARS-CoV-19 virus becomes endemic. “

We’ll have a fifth seasonal coronavirus common cold virus to join the existing four we’ve had for centuries.

No more need be said.

210598 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Mark, 2, #1314 of 2468 🔗

It already is endemic

210377 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 25, #1315 of 2468 🔗

Small rant, if I may.

Is anyone else fed up with the MSM’s usage of certain words and phrases?

Surge! Jump! Spiraling upwards! The Daily Mail’s favourite is ‘ struck down ‘.

A Daily Fail headline a while back descibed an increase in positive tests in the Liverpool area as: “150 people struck down with Covid!”

And the trickery with figures really pisses me off. Another trick used by the likes of the Mail and especially the BBC is to change timescales for increases; e.g. when deaths, or ‘cases’, etc. go down over a week, they then start counting the change over a fortnight; then over a month, etc.

Pisses me off.

210378 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1316 of 2468 🔗

Let it rip, uptick .

210439 ▶▶ Lili, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1317 of 2468 🔗

I’m afraid I don’t watch TV and only listen to Talk Radio, to save my sanity.

210444 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1318 of 2468 🔗

Don’t read that shite

210685 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Cecil B, #1319 of 2468 🔗

Trust me, Cecil, I try not to. I’ve not watched BBC news for years.

210447 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1320 of 2468 🔗

Build Back Better

210473 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Eddy, 4, #1321 of 2468 🔗

Hands Face Space. Or, as I prefer: F*** Right Off.

210492 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to kh1485, 6, #1322 of 2468 🔗

“I wear a mask because I’m a virtue-signalling bah-bah sheep who can’t think for themselves – and for no other reason. If they asked me to wear ear muffs I would.”

210481 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Eddy, 2, #1323 of 2468 🔗

Should be “Lives Back Matter”. They really do!

210466 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Ceriain, 8, #1324 of 2468 🔗

I hear you. But I must say one of my pet irritants is “The Daily Fail”, when the Daily Mail has been one of standout best mainstream media performers on the coronapanic, and doesn’t get the credit it deserves.

I’m not particularly a fan of the Mail generally, though it’s kind of “on my side” politically (the right, though rather more the authoritarian right than my own preferred liberal right). I suspect I looked at the Daily Mail site a few times a year at most, prior to this March. But I have found myself visiting the site pretty regularly in the past few months, as it has regularly been the source of the most honest mainstream coverage of the coronapanic and the hardest hitting criticism of the government’s coronapanic nonsense.

Granted, it clearly employs its share of panicker zealots and also publishes government line stuff. But compared to propagandist filth like the Guardian, Times and BBC it has been absolutely head and shoulders above the rest.

Credit where it is due.

210681 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Mark, 1, #1325 of 2468 🔗

“The Daily Fail”

Yeah, you’re actually right about that, Mark.

I blame it on ‘rant’ mode. 😉

210470 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1326 of 2468 🔗

Deadly as in Deadly Virus as in something you’d never say over the phone: “Sorry I won’t be able to come into work for the next couple of days – I’ve got the deadly flu.”

210475 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Ceriain, 6, #1327 of 2468 🔗

Exponential used to describe something rising gently.

210525 ▶▶ annie, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1328 of 2468 🔗

Spike.

210760 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1329 of 2468 🔗

Standard practice for people fiddling figures – financial and climate data are two other areas where it’s often done.

210385 NickR, replying to NickR, 10, #1330 of 2468 🔗

At some point in time you have to say; “This really doesn’t look like a rerun of April”.
I genuinley think a lot of people just want to believe they’re living in a TV drama rather than the mundanity of another winter with a nasty respiratory illness kicking about.

210392 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to NickR, 9, #1331 of 2468 🔗

Probably for a lot of people the “normal” is so shit they don’t want to go back to it. So this pantomime is extended as it’s benefits outweigh the negative.

For example if you have travelled on trains and tubes for 20+ years and someone finally accepts what you have always known, that they are shit awful dirty, smelly in human places which can do you immense harm and for which you must pay, and someone says. No more. It’s not healthy. Stay at home. Are you going to want to go have your face in someone’s arm pit ever again ? I doubt it. That’s the only upside to any of this nonsense, it’s exposed the nonsense we had to contend with under the old normal.

210401 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Leemc23, 3, #1332 of 2468 🔗

Indeed, some are still enjoying this.

210436 ▶▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to DRW, 4, #1333 of 2468 🔗

Some people “enjoy” prison and on release reoffend to go straight back to whence they came. Odd. But true

210441 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Leemc23, 1, #1334 of 2468 🔗

Is it because they don’t have to think for themselves?

210462 ▶▶▶▶▶ NickR, replying to Leemc23, 5, #1335 of 2468 🔗

Reminds of the great Malcolm Tucker line:
“It’s like the Shawshank Redemption only you have to crawl through more shit and at the end there’s no fucking redemption!”

210726 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Leemc23, #1336 of 2468 🔗

Armpits assist our immune system, surely ? 🙂

210440 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to NickR, 2, #1337 of 2468 🔗

I do save a fortune on fuel every day. Downside is I don’t get to pump enough diesel into the atmosphere.

210390 Chicot, replying to Chicot, 12, #1339 of 2468 🔗

Andy Burnham is a moron. What more does he expect Tescos to do? All they are allowed to do by law is ask if someone is exempt. Just what we need, another idiot encouraging more hate towards the unmuzzled.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-54702693

210407 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Chicot, 6, #1340 of 2468 🔗

Andy ID Cards Burnham. A chump of the highest order.

210413 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Chicot, 5, #1341 of 2468 🔗

Any lingering hope I had for him after (sort of) standing up for the Mancs has just evaporated. Tosser!

210431 ▶▶ Mrs issedoff, replying to Chicot, 10, #1342 of 2468 🔗

He has read the Brazilian study which says that anti maskers have low empathy and personality disorders, some crap like that anyway. We are surrounded by complete and utter imbeciles of the highest order. Strangely enough, the people I know who are mask zealots are the most selfish, unempathetic and me me me characters, all living in their nice and comfy bubbles.

210400 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1343 of 2468 🔗

Big rise in deaths REPORTED today (367). But look at the top graph here (select the UK total option):

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/deaths

The trend appears to have peaked and is possibly on the way down. I don’t suppose the MSM will be too keen to talk about this.

210420 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1344 of 2468 🔗

There always seems to be a jump on Tuesday .

210597 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to thinkaboutit, #1345 of 2468 🔗

You really can’t use daily deaths as an indicator because of reporting periods. I wouldn’t even use weekly. I’d suggest two-weekly or probably monthly as a minimum to flatten out reporting anomalies.

210625 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to thinkaboutit, #1346 of 2468 🔗

Lag in reporting/registering of deaths over the weekend..

210423 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1347 of 2468 🔗

It’s based on date reported as well. Look at the graph for date of actual death. We are already on a downward trend.

But we all know this is smoke and mirrors and nonsense anyway.

210530 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to kenadams, 1, #1348 of 2468 🔗

And the deaths “attributed to covid” are questionable. Are more people dying than normally do at this time of year, and if so, how many more compared to bad years in the past few decades? If the answer to either of those questions is NO, then we know it’s nonsense. THAT is the case for scepticism and the case that we need to sell – debating on the same terms as the narrative leaves us open to them manipulating the stats.

210746 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to Tenchy, #1349 of 2468 🔗

More recent days will have a lot more deaths which haven’t yet been recorded.

210425 Liam, replying to Liam, 21, #1350 of 2468 🔗

I’m sorry if everyone else already knew this, but I’ve only just found out Penis Moron’s eldest lad from his first marriage, Spencer, is one of us, a proper sceptic! Well done lad!

210455 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Liam, 1, #1351 of 2468 🔗

I don’t know who you’re talking about…

210479 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to mattghg, 2, #1353 of 2468 🔗

Piers Morgan’s son is a massive sceptic.

210484 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Liam, 1, #1354 of 2468 🔗

Didn’t know that, has his old man chucked him out?

210508 ▶▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #1355 of 2468 🔗

He’s 27 apparently. Telling his old man to wake up.

210471 ▶▶ Mrs issedoff, replying to Liam, 3, #1356 of 2468 🔗

Ha ha, took me a few seconds to work out who you were talking about. I bet that makes for interesting conversations around the dinner table when they meet. That man makes my skin crawl, even before I became a hate filled witch I couldn’t stand to lookat/listen to the narcissistic twerp.

210563 ▶▶ Bumble, replying to Liam, 10, #1357 of 2468 🔗

Best thing was when Penis tweeted to say he was blocking Covidiots and Spencer replied “you can’t block yourself Dad”

210433 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 9, #1358 of 2468 🔗

What does all this say about Capitalism? For years we have been told that we must have a vibrant economy and to save this economy we have to make cuts to education, libraries, roads, “you name it, we shall have to cut it to save money”
Now all of a sudden, half of the country is not working, businesses are closing down and people are losing jobs in their 10’s of thousands and the government and most of the country doesn’t seem bothered as long as a “for the most part” mild virus is “defeated” whatever that means.
What is money?, It doesn’t exist naturally, you can’t eat or drink it, so referring to the previous paragraph; what’s the point of it?

210443 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Fingerache Philip., 6, #1359 of 2468 🔗

Money is best understood as a voucher redeemable on future production. The most likely outcome is that the voucher will be worth a lot less in future (ie inflation).

210453 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to OKUK, 3, #1360 of 2468 🔗

That’s currency. Money is a store of wealth and purchasing power. The barbarous relic of gold has withstood millenia and still maintains its purchasing power. Fiat currency inflates to be worthless in the end. Ponzi scheme. The trick is knowing when to get out

210463 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to OKUK, 2, #1361 of 2468 🔗

Tipping a load of bank notes out of a suitcase because the suitcase is worth more than the money and the price of a cup of coffee trippling while you are drinking it, post 1st world war Germany inflation you mean?

210467 ▶▶ Graham, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #1362 of 2468 🔗

Compare countries that abolished money, like ‘People’s Kampuchea’ with those that have it and decide which you’d prefer to live in. If there is no money, people use whatever is to hand, like cigarettes in Germany just after WW2. Cigarettes really aren’t as good.

210478 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Graham, 2, #1363 of 2468 🔗

Barter system?

210567 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #1364 of 2468 🔗

You can’t put a price on life. Have you not been listening for the last 7 months. It’s getting close to £1Bn per death worth every penny…..

210434 Ricky R, replying to Ricky R, 96, #1365 of 2468 🔗

Personal bit of good news today! I have managed to find a new job after being furloughed and then made redundant. Going for a pint to celebrate later on. Here’s hoping Boris, Hancock and the rest of the masochists don’t shaft me again.

210435 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Ricky R, 14, #1366 of 2468 🔗

Great news, Ricky, all the best.

210446 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ricky R, 9, #1367 of 2468 🔗

Great news. Hope you’re going to be working with a good bunch.

210514 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Ricky R, 8, #1368 of 2468 🔗

very good news

Heard on radio 1 news today that a young girl unsuccessfully applied for 600 jobs in the last 2 months. Interviews at job centre

211272 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Victoria, 2, #1369 of 2468 🔗

It has to be doom and gloom at the BBC, they don’t publicise success stories like Ricky.

210518 ▶▶ annie, replying to Ricky R, 7, #1370 of 2468 🔗

Congrats, Ricky, good news!

210533 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Ricky R, 7, #1371 of 2468 🔗

Brilliant news! You’re swimming against the tide – but swimming strongly! Hope all goes well for you.

210593 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Ricky R, 10, #1372 of 2468 🔗

Don’t tell me, track and trace centre operative? Only joking, congratulations.

210700 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Ricky R, 3, #1373 of 2468 🔗

Great news. Congratulations 🥳

210715 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Ricky R, 2, #1374 of 2468 🔗

Cheers Ricky, pint of bitter for me please. 🙂

210774 ▶▶ janis pennance, replying to Ricky R, 2, #1375 of 2468 🔗

Well done !!

210781 ▶▶ Marina Peerman, replying to Ricky R, 2, #1376 of 2468 🔗

Well done! Enjoy the well deserved pint!

211271 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ricky R, #1377 of 2468 🔗

Congratulations Ricky, you are not the only one. A friend in recruiting who was made redundant just before lockdown spent 6 months as a delivery driver has now returned to recruitment with another firm.

210437 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #1378 of 2468 🔗

Compassionate bonkersness:

York Teaching Hospital NHS Foundation Trust
22 October
Yesterday, at the request of the bride and groom, we were able to celebrate on social media the wedding of James and Debbie, which was arranged at short notice.James and Debbie have been overwhelmed by the outpouring of love and congratulations they have received, and in Debbie’s own words she will be forever grateful for having the day she always wanted.
Understandably, we have received questions and comments as to why a wedding was allowed to take place when visiting is restricted.
James is a very poorly man and his life is limited. The couple were due to get married in the middle of November but due to James’s health condition it became apparent this would not be possible. His final wish was to marry Debbie, his partner of 12 years, and as such the wedding was brought forward with the help of the hospital’s bereavement team.
They were married in an annex of the Covid ward by the hospital registrar with two ward nursing staff as witnesses, adhering to strict social distancing guidance and wearing full PPE.

210452 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Cheezilla, 15, #1379 of 2468 🔗

The final 10 words of that fill me with the desire to murder the person that wrote it.

210517 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Liam, 10, #1380 of 2468 🔗

Out of my way, I want to murder them more than you do!

210555 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #1381 of 2468 🔗

It’s a wonder they didn’t do it via zoom. That is the new social normal after all.

210619 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1382 of 2468 🔗

Yet other people who are dying can only have one visitor.. ? I know because my mum’s friend died recently (from a cancer that might have been treatable if the NHS had not been transformed into a Covid-Only service..)

211168 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Carrie, #1383 of 2468 🔗

I know. It’s cruelly bonkers.
The rules make compassion for families pretty impossible to enact but at least the staff were willing to do their best within the restrictions – which meant the couple had no other visitors allowed.

210448 Kevin 2, replying to Kevin 2, 8, #1384 of 2468 🔗

“Ministers from across government were seated, ashen faced, in the Cabinet Office Briefing Room (COBR). On a large flat screen, epidemiologists from Imperial College London were showing a slide which detailed the scale of the epidemic that was enveloping Britain.
The first cases of the virus had been confirmed in south east Asia two months previously. Britain reported its first cases, imported from returning travellers, a month later. Now there was widespread and sustained domestic transmission and the World Health Organization (WHO) had declared a global pandemic.
But it was not the pandemic itself that was causing those gathered in Whitehall to grimace but the nation’s woeful preparation. The peak of the epidemic had not yet arrived but local resilience forums, hospitals and mortuaries across the country were already being overwhelmed.
There was not enough personal protective equipment (PPE) for the nation’s doctors and nurses. The NHS was about to “fall over” due to a shortage of ventilators and critical care beds. Morgues were set to overflow, and it had become terrifyingly evident that the government’s emergency messaging was not getting traction with the public.
This was a drill. Code-named Exercise Cygnus, it took place in October 2016 and involved all major government departments, the NHS and local authorities across Britain. The modelling for the outbreak was prepared by the same team that is tracking the all-too-real Covid-19 pandemic now.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/28/exercise-cygnus-uncovered-pandemic-warnings-buried-government/

So Exercise Cygnus was a ‘drill’ in 2016.
More like a rehearsal I would have said.

And now the Govt are consistently refusing to release the Exercise Cygnus report.
Perhaps the deja vu shown then, will now seem just too uncanny….

This NHS doctor is leading a legal challenge to force release of the report:-

https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/jrcovid19/?utm_source=CrowdJustice&utm_campaign=d1e52ab82e-CYGREPOCT2020&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_7304756a43-d1e52ab82e-169561850

210744 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Kevin 2, 3, #1385 of 2468 🔗

Hunt was Health Sec at the time, of course. He’s got a fucking cheek to have a go at PHE/NHS (I’m not a fan of either, btw) asking things like, “Why weren’t you prepared for this?”

He knew why! Cameron and Osborne took a look at the cost and threw the report in a filing cabinet.

210458 Maccynic, replying to Maccynic, 10, #1386 of 2468 🔗

Stay at home on Halloween!

John Swinney: ‘kids out guising could be given sweeties carrying Coronavirus…….’

Edinburgh evening news 27/10, page 27(!)

I need to go and lie down.

210472 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Maccynic, 3, #1387 of 2468 🔗

Why can’t they just use the Holy Water (sanitiser) if it’s that effective?

210485 ▶▶▶ Maccynic, replying to DRW, 11, #1388 of 2468 🔗

Sweets soaked in 70% alcohol. A Scottish win win!

210494 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Maccynic, #1389 of 2468 🔗

I was thinking for just holding the wrappers but there’s probably a local market for just that!

210786 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to DRW, 2, #1390 of 2468 🔗

Really effective for bacteria. Shame a virus is not bacteria. Shhhh. Don’t tell anyone.

210695 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Maccynic, 8, #1391 of 2468 🔗

At an online work meeting this morning I was heartened when someone said they were participating in Halloween in their neighbourhood as they felt sorry for the kids. Excellent I thought, another sceptic. Nope, she followed it up by saying that the sweets were individually wrapped and had been placed in her spare room for a week to ‘quarantine’. FML, what has it come to when bloody sweets are quarantined. I had to walk away from the laptop at that point before I lost it. 😡

210838 ▶▶▶ Maccynic, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 3, #1392 of 2468 🔗

I was just about to get up, but now I really do need a very long lie down. Quarantined sweets. I feel we need suggestions to reassure the sheeple. Quarantine Street? Lemming drops?

211040 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 2, #1393 of 2468 🔗

Unbelievable…….then again.

211041 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 1, #1394 of 2468 🔗

Unbelievable……

210476 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #1395 of 2468 🔗

Just spotted this on SORUK. No link to source:

‘Millions’ of Covid tests giving results in minutes to be rolled out to schools and universities, Matt Hancock says

Means millions of positives!!

210486 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #1396 of 2468 🔗

Yep. Unless it’s 100% bang on accurate then the FPR is going to be so high that it will cause the school system to close. Any idiot would work that out, That’s the problem with over testing when the disease is “high”. If the Government know this then they have to accept the disease infection rate remains low. If not they would simply have no grounds for testing.

210516 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Leemc23, 4, #1397 of 2468 🔗

Indeed, and the university system is already more or less closed – online mainly. I don’t know why any students bothered to go to halls, other than I suppose the hope that they could socialise a bit, but in most places that’s not an option so why bother

210493 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #1398 of 2468 🔗

Parents of these kids need to wake up to this and stop them being tested. Or if at uni advise them not to. I’ve kids at uni and have warned them that all these students are causing their own misery by trotting off for a test.

210498 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #1399 of 2468 🔗

Sitting ducks for Moonshit. At least all the “positives” will expose the univerisities’ zealous theatrics for what they are.

210614 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Cheezilla, #1400 of 2468 🔗

A clear attempt to harvest more DNA for their database…
Younger people’s DNA is of particular interest, for obvious reasons..

210756 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1401 of 2468 🔗

What the fuck for?

In September (kids and students back) there were 6,879,501 (dodgy) tests done, (a lot of those on kids and students), 150,048 (questionable) positive results, but only 740 deaths ( with , not of , Covid), most of the victims over 70.

What’s the fucking point of testing schoolkids? He’s off his trolley!

210815 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1402 of 2468 🔗

Nuremberg protocol.

210482 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 7, #1403 of 2468 🔗

So Imperial (£88m funding and counting) College did their flawed model in March based on what they knew then = the worst case non mitigated outcome.

Given we now know a lot more and that the IFR is 0.26 not 3, can’t Imperial (£88m grant donations 2020) now re run their model and tell us the current worst case non mitigated outcome ?

From there, an exit strategy could reasonably be put together, no ?

210511 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Leemc23, 5, #1404 of 2468 🔗

Yes, but they’d have to admit they got it wrong

They have said too much about the vaccine being the only way out for there to be any other path for them to take and remain credible

Our only hope is for the vaccine to be delayed and the Tories to realise they are unelectable with the PM and get rid of him

210487 DRW, replying to DRW, 8, #1405 of 2468 🔗

Ugh, more university propaganda. Latest news:
Apparently police action and fines for students “not following the rules”. No details funnily enough, smells like fake news.
New self-isolation rules issued to “protect ourselves and others”
Trumpeting virtual events to “keep everyone safe”

They really love making me nauseaous. It’s not going down well though- Not only have the gulag treatments elsewhere prompted a hall exodus, but another student I’ve had emails with hopes “campus soon gets back to normal” and have an actual in-person catch-up at some point. I congratulate their distaste for the hellhole, even if their optimism is misplaced in my view. Still, encouraging future sceptic material, and I just might be able to win them over to our side.

210505 ▶▶ Julian, replying to DRW, 5, #1406 of 2468 🔗

I feel sure you will find more sceptics – they may just be shy

210489 EllGee, replying to EllGee, 36, #1407 of 2468 🔗

Don’t go shopping very often, hate all the mask faces, but today-for me-was the first sign that the crumbling, often talked about on here, is happening. Five of us in Morrisons had a face. Never seen so many before. When you’re usually the only one it’s unbelievable. We kept all grinning at each other as we passed in the aisles. To cap it off I was talking to the manager who pulled his mask away from his face and said he hated “the bl**dy thing”.

210510 ▶▶ annie, replying to EllGee, 15, #1408 of 2468 🔗

Cheering news.
I wonder what proportion of the nappied also ‘hate the bloody thing’?

210532 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to annie, 13, #1409 of 2468 🔗

My guess? 90 per cent. Based on my estimate that 10 per cent went shopping masked in Wales before it was mandated in shops.

210491 mhcp, 3, #1410 of 2468 🔗

These are the Northern Ireland stats:

https://files.nisra.gov.uk/Deaths/Weekly-Deaths-Dashboard.html

As the lockdown is only 2 weeks in you can’t really tell the difference but what caught my eye was something else:

What are all those excess deaths in August and September?

210497 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 10, #1411 of 2468 🔗

NHS worker assaulted when he confronted 3 anti maskers on the tube:Discuss.

210500 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Fingerache Philip., 19, #1412 of 2468 🔗

ah worker under misguided impression that there is a requirement to police wearing of masks

210506 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Victoria, 7, #1413 of 2468 🔗

I’m tempted to say “serves him right” but I wouldn’t do that, would I?

210501 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Fingerache Philip., 13, #1414 of 2468 🔗

I don’t care. My heart is hardened.

210502 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Fingerache Philip., 16, #1415 of 2468 🔗

Hard to say much without knowing more details but it’s inevitable and those most culpable are the government for setting the people against one another, and senior police officers for going along with it

210801 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 3, #1416 of 2468 🔗

Agreed. The blame needs to be placed at the root of the problem.

210512 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Fingerache Philip., 17, #1417 of 2468 🔗

There is no excuse for violence but why did he or she need to confront them? Surely an NHS worker would be aware of exemptions.

210528 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Laura Suckling, 6, #1418 of 2468 🔗

Of course he should.

211144 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Fingerache Philip., #1419 of 2468 🔗

Should be but not necessarily would be!

210535 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #1420 of 2468 🔗

Was he touching them?

210540 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Eddy, 1, #1421 of 2468 🔗

Good question.

210541 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Fingerache Philip., #1422 of 2468 🔗

I hope he was hurt bad.

210804 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to chaos, -1, #1423 of 2468 🔗

That is a f.ing stupid comment – worthy of a Covid fanatic.

210547 ▶▶ Steve, replying to Fingerache Philip., 18, #1424 of 2468 🔗

I don’t know the details, and they shouldn’t have been assaulted, but this is inevitable due to the way the government is stoking up fear and division due to the completely nonsensical mask policy. They’re setting one side of society against another.

My wife is finding she’s getting more rude encounters from pro-mask shoppers when she shops maskless with an exemption badge.

What’s worse is there seems to be no way out of this enforced mask wearing which has caused me to totally avoid shops, pubs and other places that require them.

210564 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Steve, 3, #1425 of 2468 🔗

AGREED.

210704 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Steve, 1, #1426 of 2468 🔗

Learn to relish the drama/conflict/adrenaline, Steve. 🙂

210608 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Fingerache Philip., 10, #1427 of 2468 🔗

Haven’t seen the story, but based on the information provided here, I have the same amount of sympathy most people would have for someone who approached three black guys on the tube and called them f’ing niggers.

Provocation. Violent response not justified, but predictable and understandable.

210620 ▶▶ Christopher, replying to Fingerache Philip., 8, #1428 of 2468 🔗

BTP and LUL staff didn’t seem to care to much when I was threatened with having a knife stabbed into my face on the Tube last month for not wearing a mask . Guess it helps being a sainted ” Health Worker ” before anyone gives a sh#t about violence over a piece of cloth.

210633 ▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to Fingerache Philip., 5, #1429 of 2468 🔗

Don’t approve of violence in those instances, but he was asking for trouble and behaved stupidly

210650 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Fingerache Philip., 5, #1430 of 2468 🔗

NHS worker is irrelevant. Serves them right for being a busybody.

210670 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Fingerache Philip., 6, #1431 of 2468 🔗

I don’t agree with physical assault, that doesn’t help our argument any. However, as an interfering busy body they should have been told to mind their own damn business and that exemptions apply.

210714 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 4, #1432 of 2468 🔗

One of the great accomplishments of the establishment has been embedding the belief now widespread among the population that violence is counterproductive and doesn’t work.

The reality is of course true. Violence works. That is in large part why the state insists on and is so protective of its monopoly of violence. Violence confers power.

210701 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #1433 of 2468 🔗

Fuck him. It was probably self-defense …

210722 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #1434 of 2468 🔗

Cressida Dick to blame.

210773 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #1435 of 2468 🔗

Good. Discussion over

210507 chaos, replying to chaos, 17, #1436 of 2468 🔗

Good news everyone. In recognition that Capitalism was kinda going a bit wrong. Shit houses for £200k or more.. jobs impossible to find. Wages unchanged since 2010. The great people at Davos have decided to reset everything to make it all good again. We are going to get windfarms and opportunity for all. And definitely no black mirror Ching Chong social credit and mandatory vaccines/digital ID. Boris the pure and his teenage girlfriend Carrie care for us. So does Klaus and Bill Gates. They love us. Hail Satan.

210706 ▶▶ JamesDrebin, replying to chaos, 4, #1437 of 2468 🔗

I feel reassured! Just need a celebrity endorsement now…

“I’ve always admired Pol Pot and his strong action to return the people to nature!”

~ David Nuttinborough

210747 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to chaos, #1438 of 2468 🔗

Fookin ell!! I’m going to sell all my posessions asap so I’ll have plenty of cash to spend on takeaways for the foreseeable future. I will own nothing and be completely happy! Getting all warm just thinking about our COLLECTIVE future. No work either I hope!!

211141 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Eddie, #1439 of 2468 🔗

You’ve been poking around in the WEF website again!

210513 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 15, #1440 of 2468 🔗

I finally received a response to my complaint to the BBC regarding the Bias & Scaremongering that they are constantly peddling.
I posted the complaint on here at the time that I did it.

Here is the complaint below

“ Blatant bias & scaremongering

Why is the BBC so blind to the government’s control of the population measures under the guise of “coronavirus”?
This is a proper sham & there is proper scientific evidence that the “virus” is nothing more than the common flu.
People die every day all over the world, & did so before this nonsense “pandemic” did the world stop & lockdown before all this “virus” nonsense? No it did not.

The BBC are guilty of spreading the fear & scaremongering that the mass population now buy into. You DO NOT report the proper facts regarding this “virus”
you DO NOT listen to world renowned epidemiologists who have spoken out about the “virus” & are speaking out about the “virus” & that it is genuinely not harmful to 97% of the population.
You also DO NOT report that the vast majority of people who have died from “COVID 19” had underlying health problems, when this information can be found pretty easily, instead you focus on keeping up the fear factor about this nonsense virus.

Please do not patronise me with your reply about “saving life’s” & “following government advice” this is utter nonsense.

You as a broadcaster should be tearing the government apart for the total shambles that this has become.
People who have cancer have had their treatments from the NHS cancelled until further notice, People are losing their jobs & livelihoods all over the country, Suicide levels are rocketing, the economy is in total disarray & will not recover for generations to come.
This whole virus thing is nothing more than state control now.
You should be ashamed.
The life as normal people know it, is over, now replaced by a totalitarian dictatorship state.
& peddled by the BBC.

You should be ashamed. You are NOT doing your job as an impartial broadcaster & you are NOT reporting on the evidence that is there.
The false results scandal, the utterly wrong lockdown restrictions. You ought to ask real pressing questions, but you don’t. ”

Today, I finally received this response to my complaint, Below.

“ Thank you for contacting us regarding our recent news coverage of the ongoing Coronavirus pandemic.

This is a continuously developing story which has posed unprecedented challenges to the government and our emergency services. The BBC is a trusted source of information, and we take our responsibility to report accurately and with due impartiality extremely seriously.

We don’t consider that our reporting has been biased in favour of the UK government in any way. As with any news story, we have heard from a wide range of views on many different issues, including from leaders of other political parties.

We will continue to hear from a wide range of voices as this story progresses, and we will continue to update our audience with the latest facts and official information.

Thanks again for taking the time to get in touch.”

So there you have it folks, they are not biased or scaremongering….according to them.

210546 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to AnotherSceptic, 11, #1441 of 2468 🔗

Whenever someone tells you they are taking something “extremely seriously” you know they are talking bollocks. And so it is with the BBC.

210557 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Tenchy, 5, #1442 of 2468 🔗

Yes, I know, I don’t know what I thought it would achieve by complaining to them, I was just angry at the time when I complained.
They are totally biased arseholes, which I knew.

210679 ▶▶▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to AnotherSceptic, 3, #1443 of 2468 🔗

Well I suppose you have confirmation now

210548 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to AnotherSceptic, 5, #1444 of 2468 🔗

BBC is a trusted source of information – I nearly fell out of my seat.

210559 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to JHuntz, 4, #1445 of 2468 🔗

Trusted…by the sheeple.

210565 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to JHuntz, 8, #1446 of 2468 🔗

of course they are … they have a page on the website that tells us so
linked from the bottom of the home page “why you can trust the BBC”

“We will continue to hear from a wide range of voices”
yes .. we will include baritones, tenors, altos and sopranos .

210574 ▶▶ Al T, replying to AnotherSceptic, 7, #1447 of 2468 🔗

Another response that probably took an intern ten minutes to cut and paste.

Read their unbiased coverage of the lockdown in Melbourne that starts with ‘facing a second terrifying wave of a deadly virus’. Garbage. Defund the BBC

211135 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Al T, #1448 of 2468 🔗

I’ve got that t-shirt!

211133 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to AnotherSceptic, #1449 of 2468 🔗

If I was sitting at a table, I’d be banging my head on it!

210515 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 15, #1450 of 2468 🔗

I’ve noticed that every now and then you get people – often in twos – whose names you haven’t seen before come on and start making quite violent statements. It seems like they are encouraging others to make similar statements and also perhaps create dissension, disrupting reasonable discussion.

Then, despite gaving declared how passionate they are about the situation, they disappear. Gone. Very odd.

I wonder whether this is a deliberate policy by some external agency or Tobyphobes to get the site closed down?

210522 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to OKUK, 8, #1451 of 2468 🔗

Noticed that too. I think they get bored quickly when we don’t take the bait.

210523 ▶▶ Liam, replying to OKUK, 1, #1452 of 2468 🔗

If you mean me in the last half hour I’m here every day.

210542 ▶▶ watashi, replying to OKUK, 2, #1453 of 2468 🔗

I noticed that too. strange.

210545 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to OKUK, #1454 of 2468 🔗

Example?

210572 ▶▶▶ wayno, replying to Cecil B, #1455 of 2468 🔗

there was one chap last night, kept saying weird random statements,

210814 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to wayno, #1456 of 2468 🔗

In CAPS randomly???

211129 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mr Dee, #1457 of 2468 🔗

Oh that’s Voz 0db. Pops in occasionally. Writes like a 16 year-old.

210570 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to OKUK, #1458 of 2468 🔗

Mayo

210586 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to stefarm, 5, #1459 of 2468 🔗

Not Mayo. He/she is a “critical friend”.

210590 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Achilles, 7, #1460 of 2468 🔗

Yes, I think his position is basically anti-lockdown but he likes to warn against over-optimism in interpreting stats

210577 ▶▶ DRW, replying to OKUK, 2, #1461 of 2468 🔗

It’s been going on for quite a while, BoneyKnee used to be like that.

210691 ▶▶ JamesDrebin, replying to OKUK, 2, #1462 of 2468 🔗

Maybe 77th doing a little agitation so the police can have a little word with Tobes to see if they can’t nudge him toward turning off comments, lest his blog gets shut down. Probably what happened with Spiked, too.

210733 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to OKUK, #1463 of 2468 🔗

Sorry if I may have dropped a couple ready to die if I must to fight this posts lately but that’s how I feel. I never mentioned any specific act…I know better than to pollute this site with that. Just to clear the air in case I disturbed anyone with my willingness to go all the way.

210765 ▶▶ Wallykazzoo, replying to OKUK, 1, #1464 of 2468 🔗

The dashing 77th no doubt

210527 James Marker, replying to James Marker, 12, #1465 of 2468 🔗

According to today’s Telegraph, “scientists” at Imperial College London (ICL) have claimed that immunity to Covid-19 declines very rapidly following recovery from infection. However, their study only looked for the presence of antibodies in blood samples and totally ignored the contribution that T-cells can make in conferring immunity – many other scientists believe the latter are more important than the former. The ICL scientists claim their study shows the UK is “miles off” herd immunity and then go on to say “the need for a vaccine is still very large”. Well, this is as good an example as you will find of the selective use of evidence. There is something decidedly fishy going on here. Does ICL have links to the Chinese government and big pharma?

210534 ▶▶ JME, replying to James Marker, 3, #1466 of 2468 🔗

So if the vaccine doesn’t stimulate the production of T cells to any great degree & they’re relying on antibody production the vaccine would need to be given every few weeks.

210719 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to JME, 2, #1467 of 2468 🔗

You do get T-cells from the vaccine as well. It will probably give similar immunity to a normal infection provided nothing goes wrong with it like enhancement.

210835 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to JME, #1468 of 2468 🔗

No because the vaccine is special! Shut up!

211115 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to JME, 1, #1469 of 2468 🔗

They’ve already suggested twice a year. Pretty steep for such a relatively inocuous disease. Kerrrrching!!

210571 ▶▶ DRW, replying to James Marker, 6, #1470 of 2468 🔗

The Gates Foundation is a big sponsor. But I’m sure they just wanted to help refurbish the library…

210585 ▶▶ Julian, replying to James Marker, 6, #1471 of 2468 🔗

Someone, I think it was Richard Pinch, earlier today on here, quoted a passage from the report that was much more nuanced than the headlines. I haven’t read all of it, so I don’t know which is more representative, and of course it’s not implausible that ICL may have expected it to be interpreted in a particular way, just as Whitty and Vallance clearly expected their “not a prediction” to be misreported. But it’s also true that the media constantly misrepresent things to fit a narrative. The DT ought to be more critical.

210596 ▶▶ Mark, replying to James Marker, 10, #1472 of 2468 🔗

Sunetra Gupta addressed this in her usual competent manner this morning on TalkRadio:

Great Barrington Declaration author refuses to back down over herd immunity

210658 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to James Marker, 4, #1473 of 2468 🔗

Is it not just the case that this virus has similarities to the common cold which we’re not immune to for very long either. The average person has 3 or 4 colds a year I think meaning immunity only lasts a few months. We’ve never managed to eradicate or vaccinate against the cold.
I’ve not got much knowledge of immunology so happy to stand corrected.

210702 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 4, #1474 of 2468 🔗

There are multiple viruses that cause ‘colds’ – rhinoviruses mostly, but also coronaviruses and probably ‘flu viruses (tell me the difference between a very mild ‘flu and a cold…) they come i cycles, and as I understand it, our immunity lasts a couple of years, but there are always others kicking around we haven’t been recently exposed to

210728 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 4, #1475 of 2468 🔗

With coronaviruses you have “sterilizing” immunity for a few months, perhaps a year, but memory T and B cells for many years probably lifetime. So this means you get reinfected but have much less severe disease. Although when you get really old your immune system starts to feel a bit second-hand and any “common cold” or flu can be very serious.

210868 ▶▶▶▶ James Marker, replying to guy153, 4, #1476 of 2468 🔗

Yes, it’s public knowledge that Porton Down did some research on this back in last century. That is exactly what they found – re-infection with a corona virus is possible, but the resulting illness is much milder and in some cases the reinfected person remains asymptomatic.

210839 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 2, #1477 of 2468 🔗

Mike Yeadon addressed precisely this issue in his interview by James Delingpole a week or two back. It’s long (nearly two hours), but very informative and well worth sticking with.

Dr Mike Yeadon

211232 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, #1478 of 2468 🔗

I’ve noticed when a new cold is going around, everyone gets it and often is fairly unwell then it dies down. When I went to college, I got a lot of colds in the first year, presumably as the areas viruses were new to me.

210764 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to James Marker, 5, #1479 of 2468 🔗

Get virus. Recover. Get virus again. Don’t get immunity. But you don’t get sick as your immune system has seen it all before. It’s a non story.

210796 ▶▶ RickH, replying to James Marker, 3, #1480 of 2468 🔗

” … immunity to Covid-19 declines very rapidly following recovery from infection”

“Well – even as an amateur in this area, I know that claim is scientifically illiterate if you just equate ‘immunity’ with the presence of antibodies.

Imperial College isn’t exactly enhancing its reputation, is it?

210531 Eddy, replying to Eddy, 56, #1481 of 2468 🔗

A big shout out to the over 60s who do not wear masks, don’t social distance and travel where the fck they want. We love you all.

210539 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Eddy, 24, #1482 of 2468 🔗

Thank you and I’m over 70.

210543 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Eddy, 9, #1483 of 2468 🔗

Ta

210592 ▶▶ EllGee, replying to Eddy, 8, #1484 of 2468 🔗

Thank you, love you back

210599 ▶▶ William Hand, replying to Eddy, 11, #1485 of 2468 🔗

That’ll be me then. I’m 68 and I stride out with confidence!

210884 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to William Hand, 7, #1486 of 2468 🔗

Never been locked down yet and never will be.

210609 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Eddy, 7, #1487 of 2468 🔗

Thanks. I do my best.

210710 ▶▶ Mrs issedoff, replying to Eddy, 4, #1488 of 2468 🔗

Thanks andrew. Well, I’m 59 but close enough surely?!.

210886 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Mrs issedoff, 5, #1489 of 2468 🔗

Oh to 59 again.

210716 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to Eddy, 4, #1490 of 2468 🔗

Great responses!! You are all awesome!

210768 ▶▶ janis pennance, replying to Eddy, 3, #1491 of 2468 🔗

Luvs ya too

210900 ▶▶ Melangell, replying to Eddy, 5, #1492 of 2468 🔗

I am more fit and healthy now I’m about to turn 70 than ever before – expressly due to doing so much walking through Wales for 6 months. 🙂

211106 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Eddy, 5, #1493 of 2468 🔗

67.
Thank you!

210544 Hoppy Uniatz, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 9, #1494 of 2468 🔗

YouTube just recommended this to me! Only 12 seconds and most amusing. Makes a change from them trying to get me to watch Dr John Campbell!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZoQEVNDzsM

210552 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 3, #1495 of 2468 🔗

Very funny

210569 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 5, #1496 of 2468 🔗

Hilarious. Would such comedy be made these days? Not on your Nellie!

210635 ▶▶ James Marker, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 5, #1497 of 2468 🔗

Haha, yes, YouTube try to get me to watch John Campbell as well, a half-educated prat who thinks he’s an authority on all things medical. Good to see Benny Hill again. I often think Hancock resembles Fred Scuttle with his gormless manner.

210761 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to James Marker, 1, #1498 of 2468 🔗

They should de platform the prick for changing his tune whenever there is a threat to his daily flip flops.

210758 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 3, #1499 of 2468 🔗

I hate that Dr John Campbell. I spent ages rejecting his daily updates. Virtuous tosser. Hope he is exposed one day as a Tory stooge.

211061 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 1, #1500 of 2468 🔗

Although John Campbell legitimately uses his title of Dr., he is not a physician but a nurse with. PhD.

210549 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 24, #1501 of 2468 🔗

What Are We Going to Say To The Children?
What do we say to our children as the future collapses in front of them? As a generation sees its future slip away, how do we explain what has been stolen from them? People are suffering. Children are suffering. Young adults are suffering, and things seem destined to get much worse.

We have been destroying their future for decades. But now we are collapsing their social lives, limiting their freedom of movement, and even forcing them to breathe through masks, effectively muzzling them. Through the pandemic’s fear and panic, we will not even allow them to go to school. Hugging each other—forget about it.
..

“What do I tell my children when they look at me with hungry bellies, especially my 11-year-old son?” said Barrera, who is an immigrant from South America, came to the US two decades in search of the American dream. Now the dream is dead as the virus-induced recession has crushed millions of low-income folks into financial doom.
“It breaks my heart. I’m their father. I’m supposed to feed them,” he said.
..
The United Nations claims that as many as 260 million people will be on the verge of starvation by year’s end . Perhaps that is a vast understatement! What are we going to say to all these people? How can we explain why government officials listen to idiotic health officials who have no real idea about what we should be doing to fight the virus. There is no consensus and little to no listening between health officials and doctors on the front lines who, by the thousands, are calling for an end to the malicious lockdowns .
..

What do we say to the children when health officials have done nothing but lie, delay, obfuscate, and oversell the threat of this virus? How do we explain how arrogant people can be, or how is it possible for people in authority to ignore the crucial opinions of others? How do we explain that there are people so evil and full of hate for humanity that they would kill over 7 billion of us? [link on article]
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Story after story includes the assumption that the coronavirus is everything. It is all-important. Anything and everything can be justified for the sake of getting control of a virus. When kids are hungry, do you have the courage to tell them this with a straight face?

https://drsircus.com/general/what-are-we-going-to-say-to-the-children/ [link on this site always slow to open]

210576 ▶▶ PAM, replying to Victoria, 5, #1502 of 2468 🔗

Destroyed by Oxbridge indentured opportunists?

210628 ▶▶ PAM, replying to Victoria, 7, #1503 of 2468 🔗

Perhaps I did not make myself clear. What I intended to suggest was that a generation are being destroyed by Oxbridge indentured opportunists it seems to me.

210636 ▶▶▶ PAM, replying to PAM, 5, #1504 of 2468 🔗

And I endorse Victoria’s comments by the way.

210657 ▶▶▶▶ PAM, replying to PAM, 1, #1505 of 2468 🔗

And, not all, or even most Oxbridge graduates are opportunists necessarily.

210674 ▶▶▶▶▶ JamesDrebin, replying to PAM, #1506 of 2468 🔗

Cambridge grad here. Nah you’re right. Everyone from Oxford is awful. 😉

210550 mjr, replying to mjr, 11, #1507 of 2468 🔗

is our MSM London centric?. – discuss

210560 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to mjr, 15, #1508 of 2468 🔗

Three white men? Come on ITV, you can do better than that. Two women (ideally at least one of them black), and one black man; or better still, three women. You’re falling short of your quotas there.

210653 ▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Tenchy, 6, #1509 of 2468 🔗

You forgot the transgender, neuro-diverse, disabled person!

210753 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Tenchy, #1510 of 2468 🔗

But MSM don’t like the GB group. They must have really struggled with that, having to studiously ignore then denigrate 3 highly qualified non-white people!

210631 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to mjr, 2, #1511 of 2468 🔗

They should definitely be masking alone…what dangerous behavior on display!!
https://youtu.be/g3Z-_RmzxYM

210711 ▶▶ mjr, replying to mjr, #1512 of 2468 🔗

surprised no comments about East London and West London being under represented on this UK wide programme

210554 Eddy, replying to Eddy, 13, #1513 of 2468 🔗

Four people dead as migrant boat sinks. This will be all over the media now.

Watch out for any covid votes being pushed through on the quiet…

210561 ▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Eddy, 6, #1514 of 2468 🔗

The boat sank due to it having coronavirus…that will be the BBC spin on it.

210667 ▶▶▶ JamesDrebin, replying to AnotherSceptic, 3, #1515 of 2468 🔗

If only they’d worn buoyancy face coverings. Or you know, stayed in one of the many safe countries they’d already passed through. Or obeyed the law and applied to come here legally. I demand we put on a migrant ferry service to stop this happening again. Bloody Tories etc.

210562 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Eddy, 5, #1516 of 2468 🔗

The Foreign Office will be out there encouraging them to hijack tankers instead. Much safer. And you get brought into the country with a military escort.

210581 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Eddy, 3, #1517 of 2468 🔗

4 more for the covid death tally!

210789 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Eddy, -4, #1518 of 2468 🔗

Oh dear – a bit of illegal immigrant obsession coming through here. The least of our f.ing worries, given the deficits of the native population! The UK is showing all the signs of in-breeding since it elected Johnson as PM. Let’s welcome new blood 🙂

210882 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Eddy, 5, #1519 of 2468 🔗

Priti Patel has already made a nauseating, virtue signalling announcement on social media.

Not a peep about those being pushed to kill themselves because of her restrictions though of course.

210566 chaos, replying to chaos, 20, #1520 of 2468 🔗

Day 218. The cold is still with us. We used to use a tissue to control the cold. Now we need to shut down the economy and hospitals. In an interview Stephen Hawkins said in his robot voice that he was terrified of the cold and that it was deinitely worse than motor neurone disease and dying. That Brian Cook guy who did the double front flip on his motocross at Nitro Ciurcus and became a paraplegic agreed. He said that although severing his spine and no longer being able to poo or ejaculate or walk was quite tricky. Getting a cold would really be upsetting and he was glad he didn’t get that. Especially if it was long cold he said. Stephen agreed. That would really suck he said like a robot. Brian Cook agreed. Not being able to walk or shit without help is hard he said in his Canadian accent but imagine having no symptoms at all or needing a packet of lockets or a tissue. Terrifying he said.

210612 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to chaos, 11, #1521 of 2468 🔗

Ah you folks are most excellent with the sarcasm and satire. Well in chaos!

210660 ▶▶ JamesDrebin, replying to chaos, 11, #1522 of 2468 🔗

Why aren’t you talking about the dangers of Long Covid, Diagonal Covid, Hexagonal Covid, and the one affecting our politicians – Bell End Shaped Covid. Is this a joke to you, Chaos? IS IT?!! 😀

210588 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 9, #1523 of 2468 🔗

Having committed no crime the Welsh people are locked up

When that doesn’t work the rapists dad will spout the usual claptrap and blame it on unnamed people, committing unspecified crimes, on unspecified days

This will be used to justify further punishments

This guy is a sadist

In the Soviet Union I would have got a show trial before I was imprisoned.

210602 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1524 of 2468 🔗

His latest idiocies might wake more people up though.

210591 kf99, replying to kf99, 11, #1525 of 2468 🔗

Sturgeon’s sister says that although Nicola is very tired she won’t delegate to her deputy because she is a ‘total control freak’.

Good commentary: “By making herself the face of the crisis, Sturgeon has nowhere to hide. If she’d let her Health Minister take all the heat she could bin her near the end and then she’d walk away clean. But she wanted the exposure.”

210642 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to kf99, 10, #1526 of 2468 🔗

Exposure yourself as much as possible, Nicola, you make a better target.

210646 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Silke David, 5, #1527 of 2468 🔗

When can we bin her?
Can we chuck Josef Stalin Dripfeed in the same bin? Please?

210707 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to annie, #1528 of 2468 🔗

He’s hardly Stalin. More like Gennady Yanayev.

210649 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to kf99, 1, #1529 of 2468 🔗

The so called “Health Secretary” has already announced that she’s chucking it before the May election.

210668 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to kf99, 2, #1530 of 2468 🔗

Control freak with a huge fucking ego

210690 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to stefarm, 2, #1531 of 2468 🔗

Good website here that amongst other things details the multiple failures of the Spiteful Nannying Party.
https://www.effiedeans.com/2020/10/the-more-fronts-she-is-having-to.html?m=1

210717 ▶▶ mjr, replying to kf99, 2, #1532 of 2468 🔗

correction

“she is a ‘total control freak’.”

210595 chaos, replying to chaos, 2, #1533 of 2468 🔗

Connecting the Dots: Why They’re Doing This
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSwYs6zB6TI

210748 ▶▶ Jo, replying to chaos, #1534 of 2468 🔗

Watched that a few weeks ago. I think the end bit about the 2009 fake pandemic and disappearing Forbes (?) article is good. Found it a bit slow in the middle.

210600 Jonny S., replying to Jonny S., 12, #1535 of 2468 🔗

Wales daily deaths

21/10/20 12
22/10/20 18
23/10/20 3
24/10/20 3
25/10/20 2
26/10/20 1

That lockdown worked quick.

source https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/deaths

210645 ▶▶ annie, replying to Jonny S., 9, #1536 of 2468 🔗

Yea, really worth imprisoning 3 million innocent people and killing off what’s left of the Welsh economy.

210725 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to annie, 5, #1537 of 2468 🔗

Yes, it’s saved 6 million Welsh lives.

210721 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Jonny S., 6, #1538 of 2468 🔗

At this rate, by Nov 9, Drakeford’s cunning plan will have resurrected the dead.

210601 Steeve, replying to Steeve, 2, #1539 of 2468 🔗

Just overheard on the radio – so just had a quick look at the web site. Can you help our sniffers?

https://www.virusdogs.com/volunteer

210638 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to Steeve, 1, #1540 of 2468 🔗

Sinister. Very worrying indeed.

210641 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Steeve, 1, #1541 of 2468 🔗

Nylon socks?

210672 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Steeve, 1, #1542 of 2468 🔗

As someone posted recently, yet another echo back to stasi E Germany.

210743 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Steeve, 3, #1543 of 2468 🔗

What if the dogs are able to detect real infections? Wouldn’t surprise me. If it worked out better than PCR tests, might be a good thing (hands over ears, don’t all shout at once!)
I heard the woman who pioneered this a few months ago. Her dog had detected her own cancer. As a result her previously sceptical oncologist decided to invest in her endeavour, which way back when sounded like a good idea. I know, we don’t want more testing!

211222 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Jo, 1, #1544 of 2468 🔗

I’m sure the dogs will be way more accurate than the current tests.

210820 ▶▶ GLT, replying to Steeve, 4, #1545 of 2468 🔗

I met one of the dogs walking the other day with their foster family. The charity trains dogs to sniff cancer and to monitor other serious health conditions. Not very sinister…firstly there won’t be many and s