2020-10-28

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212359 Pete Sutton, replying to Pete Sutton, 30, #1 of 1497 🔗

“SAGE Predicts Second Wave Will Be Worse Than First” What Mandy Rice Davies said.

212385 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Pete Sutton, 8, #2 of 1497 🔗

I remember it well and it is as true now as it was then.

212412 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Pete Sutton, 21, #3 of 1497 🔗

SAGE: a political and commercial lobby group that eschews both common sense and genuine science.

212669 ▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to OKUK, 1, #4 of 1497 🔗

love it

213165 ▶▶ PWL, replying to Pete Sutton, 7, #5 of 1497 🔗

The blaming any and all other death on Covid-19 won’t peak as high as it did in the spring, but it will go on and on, says SAGE. Because the narrative won’t be broken, because the opposition is controlled.

ICNARC, which is ignored by yer anti-lockdown champions in yer fringe corporate-media and alternative media, says that between 1st September and 22nd October, 328 Covid-19 patients died in intensive care, or after having been in critical care. The significance: if you didn’t die in or after intensive care, you didn’t die of Covid-19, because acute Covid-19 – the bit that kills you – is a pneumonia. And it’s quite astonishing that we’re still playing this silly game seven months into this shambles pretending that what Government says about deaths is legitimate.

“Covid-19”, which is various death blamed on a virus (that doesn’t exist) is a hoax, and until your controlled opposition media starts calling it one – which it won’t – there is never going to be an end to the horse crap, which empowers the agenda, which people are going to have to put themselves in harms way to defeat (not that the controlled opposition media will be leading any of that).

Covid-19 in a nutshell

214002 ▶▶▶ Arkansas, replying to PWL, #6 of 1497 🔗

won’t peak as high as it did in the spring, but it will go on and on, says SAGE.

Going “on and on” is a natural consequence of widespread PCR testing and having “cases” as the centrepiece of the narrative, I guess.

As we know, the definition of a “case” (a positive result of a PCR test which has a theoretical false positive rate between 0.8-4.0%, potentially higher operationally) and the definition of a “covid death” (a person who dies of any cause but who tested positive at some point in the previous 28 days) ensures this.

The very fact of having a baseline number of (say) around 2% of all tests done guaranteed to be positive guarantees that there will always be “covid deaths” going “on and on” at a sub-peak level. And that is even before we take account of “cold” and “lukewarm” cases where they do have the virus (in the specific sense that the test has indeed detected the “something” it is intended to react to) but where it is meaningless with respect to the patient’s overall health situation.

Calling it a “hoax” tends to imply a complete fiction from the ground up to people; it’s probably something more akin to a “conceptual phantom”. It’s like the fabled blind men trying to identify an elephant from its various parts… but there actually is no elephant, just various bits of leg, tusk, trunk and tail shapes that never were attached to, or amounted to, any particular animal.

211688 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 30, #7 of 1497 🔗

“Head up, heart open. To better days!” – T.F. Hodge

211710 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Sarigan, 5, #8 of 1497 🔗

Yay – great start – well done you!! 🙂

212155 ▶▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to CGL, 3, #9 of 1497 🔗

Italians fight back
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eS08kreDcps
Bologna – La protesta arriva in piazza, “vaffa” per Conte (28.10.20)

211690 Mabel Cow, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #10 of 1497 🔗

Second!

211743 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Mabel Cow, 7, #12 of 1497 🔗

Haven’t they all been barred from pubs by the landlords ?

212156 ▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to karenovirus, 6, #13 of 1497 🔗

Get rid of them now

211754 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Mabel Cow, 5, #14 of 1497 🔗

Very powerful

211768 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Mabel Cow, 10, #15 of 1497 🔗

Great poster – needs to be put up everywhere!

211770 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Carrie, 8, #16 of 1497 🔗

It will be!

211782 ▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Carrie, 46, #17 of 1497 🔗

I’m increasingly of the opinion that we’re flogging a dead horse with the mask argument and the positive-tests-aren’t-deaths argument. Those arguments require people to walk back on their beliefs, which is generally a tough sell.

I’m thinking that we might get more traction with a simple message of “You’re struggling because of what these arseholes are doing.”

211787 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Mabel Cow, 22, #18 of 1497 🔗

Probably needs to ram home the economic impact now. People will only wake up when they’re hit in the pocket and stomach.

211809 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Bart Simpson, 26, #19 of 1497 🔗

I think we need to keep going with both. People will still be silenced by accusations that they are granny murderers, regardless of their personal pain. I think it works best to point out that we are all being socially and economically crucified AND that the justification for that is entirely false.

211842 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Charlie Blue, 8, #20 of 1497 🔗

Agree and nail home the point that both are related.

212002 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bart Simpson, 18, #21 of 1497 🔗

My preferred response to ‘isn’t the Covid so awful’ is

”It’s not the Covid that is so awful it’s the governments stupid lockdown measures which are responsible for everything that is wrong with this country now and for the foreseeable future”.

212270 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to karenovirus, 9, #22 of 1497 🔗

It’s so awful that most people need a test to tell them they have it!

212700 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to karenovirus, 3, #23 of 1497 🔗

I find ‘the cure is worse than the disease’ is quite catchy. It acknowledges that there was a disease, but at the same time implies it wasn’t all that serious.

211869 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Mabel Cow, 10, #24 of 1497 🔗

Please get Drakeford and Sturgeon on there as well. Lots of ugly images of them to choose from.

211985 ▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to kf99, 17, #25 of 1497 🔗

Your wish is my command .

I chose happy images (instead of ugly ones) to drive home the disconnect between these people’s lives and the lives of the ordinary Joe.

212210 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Adam, 4, #27 of 1497 🔗

They’re not going to get very far with a website that looks like that.

212982 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #28 of 1497 🔗

You only need a few details to join I have people have no right to complain if they do nothing to defend their rights my late grandparents didn’t fight the Nazis so the me me me generation can sit at home and watch shit like eastenders

212747 ▶▶▶ Montag Smith, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #29 of 1497 🔗

I do wonder how keen on lockdowns the scientists and advisers would be if they had to suffer the same rate as though who lose their jobs, don’t have savings and may struggle to pay the rent or mortgage when on benefits.

211693 mjr, #30 of 1497 🔗

third close but no cigar

211694 Ovis, #31 of 1497 🔗

Baa!

211703 Jonny S., 6, #32 of 1497 🔗

Just posted this on yesterdays thread and it changed whilst I was doing it so sorry for the repeat.

Interesting to see reduction in flue deaths over the recent weeks.

Has this been taken into account when predicting the overrun of the NHS?

Source https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending16october2020

211704 Crazy Hoarse, replying to Crazy Hoarse, 83, #33 of 1497 🔗

I’ll never fail to be utterly horrified by the image of multiple police restraining someone while a mask is forced onto their face. If you want a picture of the future, imagine a mask being placed on a human face—for ever.

211716 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Crazy Hoarse, 15, #34 of 1497 🔗

First time I have seen this image, shocking!

211724 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Crazy Hoarse, 7, #35 of 1497 🔗

If you want a picture of the future, imagine Boris huffing and puffing and fucking a woman’s face—but not forever.

211975 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to chaos, 6, #36 of 1497 🔗

Look – that’s enough of that!

212374 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to chaos, 6, #37 of 1497 🔗

Too much information.

212777 ▶▶▶ Lili, replying to chaos, 2, #38 of 1497 🔗

Bleurgh!

213225 ▶▶▶ ajb97b, replying to chaos, #39 of 1497 🔗

Hi Chaos
Glad to see your sense of humor is still strong
Hang in there!

211786 ▶▶ annie, replying to Crazy Hoarse, 18, #40 of 1497 🔗

It won’t be my future.
Ever.

211794 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Crazy Hoarse, 28, #41 of 1497 🔗

I saw a german being arrested in berlin at the weekend via live youtube. The riot police were targeting peaceful protestors by going into the crowd as a unit tgen swiftly grabbing a peaceful person. In this particular arrest the riot cop thug put his gloved hand over the persons mouth and nose – to stop them breathing. Then the thug used his strength to force the peaceful persons head back as far as it would go – looking upwardds with gloved hand over breathing passageways. In this position the peaceful protestor was marched off for arresting and bundling into custody.

It was abhorrent.

211816 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Basics, 8, #42 of 1497 🔗

Horrific! You have to wonder what they would have done if/when the person had passed out…?

211865 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Carrie, 6, #43 of 1497 🔗

or break his neck

212160 ▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Basics, 8, #44 of 1497 🔗

It’s Germany the police there make the SS proud

212774 ▶▶ Lili, replying to Crazy Hoarse, 2, #45 of 1497 🔗

It is such a violation against the person. Truly awful – exactly the same as suffocating someone to stop them from speaking.

212987 ▶▶ Adam, replying to Crazy Hoarse, 1, #46 of 1497 🔗

Arm yourself if the 🐖 mess with me one of their windpipes gets slashed

211706 Incorrigible Skeptic, replying to Incorrigible Skeptic, 31, #47 of 1497 🔗

SAGE Predicts Second Wave Will Be Worse Than First

Funny, that — Coronaprophet Bill Gates said the same thing a while back .

I wonder what they know that we don’t…

211726 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Incorrigible Skeptic, 14, #48 of 1497 🔗

It’s easy to manufacture a second or more waves, they did it with the first one too.

211747 ▶▶▶ RichT, replying to Bella Donna, 16, #49 of 1497 🔗

A very reliable source tells me they are already emptying the hospitals of old folk. Second wave or second purge?

211847 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to RichT, 19, #50 of 1497 🔗

Working on the death rates. Sending elderly hospital patients into care homes is the caring modern equivalent to hurling smallpox-infested corpses over city walls during sieges

212284 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #51 of 1497 🔗

It’s mostly the withdrawal of healthcare that kills them.

212280 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to RichT, 3, #52 of 1497 🔗

It was announced in the press a couple of weeks ago.

211753 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Incorrigible Skeptic, 19, #53 of 1497 🔗

They have been predicting their Second Wave for months and we were saying ages ago that they would use either its normal annual return or the usual winter flu as ‘proof’ of its eventual arrival.

211836 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to karenovirus, 6, #54 of 1497 🔗

They’ve been predicting the second wave since March, as has cuddly Uncle Bill Gates. While I’ve still to be convinced that Covid-19 is anything more than a deliberately badly managed and rebranded flu, the second wave though may well be something real, as these guys really do mean business. Real or not, though the biggest danger will still lie with the vaccines, that are coming our way. The vaccines are clearly an essential part of the Great Reset (aka depopulation) and they need to be avoided, as if your life depended on it, which of course it does.

212165 ▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Rowan, 8, #55 of 1497 🔗

Gates and Soros need putting on trial and possibly hanged

212286 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Rowan, 5, #56 of 1497 🔗

The “vaccine” is the key to the surveillance strategy.

211767 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Incorrigible Skeptic, 16, #57 of 1497 🔗

Ramping up the fear just before Simon Dolan’s appeal…

211820 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Carrie, 3, #58 of 1497 🔗

When is S D’s appeal?

211891 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Victoria, 1, #60 of 1497 🔗

Thank you.

212124 ▶▶ GuyRich, replying to Incorrigible Skeptic, 3, #61 of 1497 🔗

Could it be another form of ‘Operation Dark Winter’?

212293 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to GuyRich, 3, #62 of 1497 🔗

They did that in 2016 and reviewed it last year. They were simulations. This is the real thing now.

213329 ▶▶▶▶ GuyRich, replying to Cheezilla, #63 of 1497 🔗

My thoughts exactly.

212434 ▶▶ Commander Jameson, replying to Incorrigible Skeptic, 4, #64 of 1497 🔗

I confidently predict:

After the second ripple starts to wane, SAGE will say “the second wave has not finished yet”.
Lockdown will continue until the second ripple deaths exceed the first (could take a couple of years).
Then SAGE will say “the third wave is coming, and this will be the big one”.

212993 ▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Commander Jameson, #65 of 1497 🔗

Sage’s are supposed to be wise this lot are fools shut them down and throw Johnson out now

213126 ▶▶▶ Commander Jameson, replying to Commander Jameson, 1, #66 of 1497 🔗

Just working on some new fear porn headlines for the MSM. Series to bge continued. To read in the serious Welsh accent of a famous BBC newsreader.
Monday: 1 death, Tuesday: 3 deaths
The death rate from covid has tripled in the last 24 hours
Wednesday: 4 deaths
The death rate from the killer virus covid has been doubling every day since Monday
Thursday: 6 deaths
In breaking news, deaths from covid have rocketed by a staggering 50% in a mere 24 hours
Next Monday: 7 deaths
Terror continues to stalk the nation, as the covid death rate is now increasing by a shocking 700% every week
Wednesday: 10 deaths
In heartbreaking news, epidemiologists confirm that deaths from covid are now increasing exponentially
Next Wednesday: 20 deaths
Deaths from covid continue to double every week.
Wednesday in a month’s time: 38 deaths
Government considers new lockdown as covid deaths double in a month

211707 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 46, #67 of 1497 🔗

Neil Olivier on talk radio at the moment saying that LOCKDOWN DOESN’T WORK!!!
When will the Covid collaborators BLOODY well ADMIT IT????

211713 ▶▶ Van Allen, replying to Fingerache Philip., 17, #68 of 1497 🔗

You’re never going to win the argument. The zealots believe that if they don’t work it is because the restrictions aren’t strict enough/long enough/being adhered to. And when cases reduce in spring (shout out to the Aussies!) it will because the measures are working 🤬 .

211735 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Van Allen, 11, #69 of 1497 🔗

Yes, Van Allen, but when this is all over and the herd immunity has done what herd immunity has done over thousands of years and will do this time; the experts and advisers, etc will say “because we took the necessary measures, steps,platitude,platitudes,blah,blah,blah.
But we know the truth and at least the B×××××ds can’t take that away from us.

211745 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Van Allen, 13, #70 of 1497 🔗

You’re not even going to HAVE the argument because they’re just going to ignore you, just like with the “second wave” shit – it’s like arguing with a zombie army

212065 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Fingerache Philip., 23, #71 of 1497 🔗

Lockdowns do work if your objective is to reduce case numbers short term.

Lockdowns are destructive in virtually every other aspect and therefore completely lose validity.

A similar example. I need to kill a single fish in my neighbours pond.

I elect to drive a monster truck at 150mph into my neighbours garden, but go through his house, plough through his kids and wife, run over his dog and get through his conservatory, ruin his grass and drive into his pond and then shoot all the fish. This is my plan and it would likely work and kill at least one of his fish,

If my objective was to kill a single fish. Then my objective has been met. It matters not how I got there. I got there.

Thats the logic of SAGE and lockdown.

212682 ▶▶▶ MUSICGIRL, replying to Leemc23, 3, #72 of 1497 🔗

This method reminds me of Fantastic Mr Fox

212790 ▶▶ Lili, replying to Fingerache Philip., 7, #73 of 1497 🔗

Neil Oliver has revealed himself as a bit of a hero. I love listening to him every week on Mike Graham’s Talk Radio Show – 10 til 1pm n case anyone needs to know.

211714 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 10, #74 of 1497 🔗

Wasn’t me marshal

Note to Carrie,
click on the black background of the expanded image to avoid going back to the start of comments.

211733 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 9, #75 of 1497 🔗

Further note to Carrie, if a link takes you back to the start go to the ‘man with a gearcog’ icon by ‘total comments’
This lists all your posts so will take you back to where you last posted.

211761 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to karenovirus, 3, #76 of 1497 🔗

Thanks 🙂

211762 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to karenovirus, 11, #77 of 1497 🔗

No way! The days and days I have spent scrolling to posts I never find again…. thank you!

211784 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to karenovirus, 6, #78 of 1497 🔗

Thanks and Thanks. Wish I knew this a long time ago.

211916 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Victoria, 2, #79 of 1497 🔗

Innit – if I may!

211850 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to karenovirus, 4, #80 of 1497 🔗

Thank you! You just saved me a lot of tedious reloading and searching!

211907 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to karenovirus, 3, #81 of 1497 🔗

Thank you – that will save me some time!!!!

212169 ▶▶▶ rose, replying to karenovirus, 3, #82 of 1497 🔗

Save me loads of time!! Thanks

212232 ▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to karenovirus, 3, #83 of 1497 🔗

Holy smokes I sure feel stupid now. Was always thinking this site could be really awesome with a feature that lets me go back and find my old posts. In plain sight if you have tech savvy eyes eh?
THANK YOU!!

212235 ▶▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to Eddie, 3, #84 of 1497 🔗

In fact you’ve just won best post of the year…congratulations karenovirus!!

212579 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Eddie, #85 of 1497 🔗

I am not Tech savvy at all having not used Tech at work at all except a bit of Sage (!?!) for stock control in the 80s.

I did, however always like dismantling things as a boy to see how they worked.

My post was a response to a query from Carrie but happy to help.

211717 CGL, replying to CGL, 23, #86 of 1497 🔗

This makes my blood boil –

“When profiles were analysed, two were identified: an antisocial pattern profile who were resistant to COVID-19 safety measures and an empathy pattern profile who were compliant.”

Maybe if someone would point out to them that they are HELPING to kill hundreds of millions around the world, they wouldnt comply so easily.

We haven’t had to have that pointed out to us to understand that this will happen. We care about the whole world community not just the one in a 2 mile radius.

Short-sightedness and inward thinking are part of the religion, yet they are the caring community minded ones.

Grrrrrrrrr!

211734 ▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to CGL, 13, #87 of 1497 🔗

After a very quick search I discovered the study was done by Science Direct, “a leading platform of peer-reviewed scholarly literature” who’s parent company is Elsevier. They have connections to the UN Sustainable Development plan, and partner with many of the usual suspects like Imperial College. Look at the Elsevier logo. Looks bit like the logo from the 2nd Eugenics International Conference, 1921.
Ho hum.

212043 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to HelenaHancart, 6, #88 of 1497 🔗

Elsevier are local and present themselves as innocent publishers of technical educational materials.
A few years back they came under fire for being linked to the gun running (?) activities of their parent corporation Rand. (or something like that).

212168 ▶▶▶ Adam, replying to HelenaHancart, #89 of 1497 🔗

Maybe the UN is the next failed outfit to leave

211746 ▶▶ CGL, replying to CGL, 4, #90 of 1497 🔗

And I am NOT anti-social!!!

212433 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to CGL, 2, #91 of 1497 🔗

Just go shopping a bit more often, that’ll fix it. 🙂

212457 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to JohnB, 3, #92 of 1497 🔗

I don’t go shopping at all unfortunately – they can have my money again when they ditch the nappies and the surveillance.

211748 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to CGL, 8, #93 of 1497 🔗

Don’t let it get to you. Typical PsyOps strategies.

211837 ▶▶ annie, replying to CGL, 13, #94 of 1497 🔗

OK, so we’re antisocial.
Anti-social distancing.
Anti-social collapse.
Anti a society composed entirely of zombies.
And proud of it.

211988 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to annie, 7, #95 of 1497 🔗

Quite!

Daughter – who got an 8 (= A*) at psychology GCSE, is now studying it for A level in a few months, and wants to study it at university) – has just said basically it’s all a load of rubbish (only she said it using bigger amd more intelligent words than that). Said – as Toby did – these types of studies are purely subjective, and all they have done is make the results conclude what they wanted them to.

211849 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to CGL, 8, #96 of 1497 🔗

I’m sure this study would have come to similar conclusions in Nazi Germany.

211996 ▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to CGL, 17, #97 of 1497 🔗

I had to laugh. We want to engage with people mask-free and use our whole faces to communicate — particularly to smile — and we’re the anti-social ones???

212303 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to CGL, 7, #98 of 1497 🔗

I thought it’s a brilliant reason not to wear a face nappy.
Q: Are you exempt?
A: Yes, I have ASPD.

212454 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #99 of 1497 🔗

Sorry – I’m being a bit thick – Anti-Social – P… D…?

212694 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to CGL, 1, #100 of 1497 🔗

Personality Disorder

212782 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Country Mumkin, #101 of 1497 🔗

Thanks 😀

211720 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 19, #102 of 1497 🔗

Lock SAGE up and throw away the key. We will have no peace until they are removed.

212072 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #103 of 1497 🔗

Agree, but SAGE have nothing useless the Government give them the platform. So if SAGE go. The Government goes too.

212180 ▶▶ chris c, replying to Bella Donna, 6, #104 of 1497 🔗

SAGE need stuffing, before Christmas

211721 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 26, #105 of 1497 🔗

The crimes of the rapists dad

Legalising child abduction

Banning religious freedom

Detention without trial

Banning the sale of children’s winter clothes

Imposing internal exile

Waging war against a civilian population

Deliberately withholding medical attention for detainees in breach of the Geneva Convention

Crimes against humanity

211736 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Cecil B, 14, #106 of 1497 🔗

It’s crazy. Seeing pictures of yellow tape crossed over items that people are not allowed to buy. Makes my eyes hurt. Poor Wales!

212077 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Janice21, 3, #108 of 1497 🔗

Not especially sympathetic. They voted in numbers for him. Just as they did for Bo Jo. Neither man was fit for office, too many people did not bother to delegitimise either by whatever means necessary. Essentially voting for a colour not recognising the flaws in both.

212439 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Leemc23, 1, #109 of 1497 🔗

Probably true, but only a small minority had the choice of Johnson or Drakeford as their MP.

212999 ▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Leemc23, #110 of 1497 🔗

I don’t care for the mediocre Drakeford I didn’t vote for Johnson, or the nasty party proud SDP member

212314 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Janice21, 5, #111 of 1497 🔗

It’s ok to buy those big round tins of junk chocolates that come out for Christmas but you can’t buy a winter coat for your kid.

211757 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Cecil B, 9, #112 of 1497 🔗

The coronavirus act already allows children to be ‘removed’..

211792 ▶▶ annie, replying to Cecil B, 14, #113 of 1497 🔗

And that’s just for starters.
I’m inclined to believe that his chief crime is existing.

211796 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to annie, 8, #114 of 1497 🔗

That’s why we have to reopen the Tower of London as a prison.

And revive Tower Hill as an execution site.

211833 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #115 of 1497 🔗

Book me a front row seat for Dripfeed’s big moment.

212127 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #116 of 1497 🔗

Tyburn for riff raff like politicians and SAGE. It’s at the end of Edgware Road in London, marked by three oak saplings. Right by Speakers Corner, funnily enough.

212391 ▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #117 of 1497 🔗

Apparently the ravens are bored due to lack of visitors, this would perk them up!

211723 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 22, #118 of 1497 🔗

Imperial College have been paid over £80 million by Gates and his eugenics “foundation”.
The Telegraph`s very own pompous “Global Health Security Team”, which peddles constant fear and misinformation every day, has also been paid £3.5 million by Gates Mengele foundations, Only saying.

211739 ▶▶ Chris John, replying to nickbowes, 12, #119 of 1497 🔗

The Bill And Mengele Gates Foundation

211741 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to nickbowes, 16, #120 of 1497 🔗

I think ICL needs to be investigated fully by the Academy and government – sooner rather than later. We all know about Neil Ferguson/Roy Anderson and their dossier of models, but after watching the Julia HB interview with Paul Elliott this morning, there is something seriously wrong with this institution that cuts to the core.

211801 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 10, #121 of 1497 🔗

I think after all this, we need a serious culling of universities – Imperial should be defunded and closed down especially after the damage that has been done. Then move on to others like SOAS for perpetuating fruitcake ideas that cause division and destroy social cohesion.

That said if young people and their parents vote with their feet and wallets then the market will deal with them.

211823 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #122 of 1497 🔗

Absolutey agree.

211822 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 6, #123 of 1497 🔗

I agree. Do academic institutions have a responsibikty for what their payrolled academics get up to? There are certain professors who are leading the lockdown side – lockdowns kill. ICL Edinburgh Reading are just a few of the istitutions where staff are actively lobbying/advising/propagandazing for opressive societal change based on weak if any evidences – in the face of huge contrary evidence. These professors are weak academics and flawed ethically. Institutions have a responsiblity in my opinion.

211851 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Basics, 2, #124 of 1497 🔗

They could be done for bringing the institution into disrepute. Especially if they drive away prospective students and staff and their credibility is shot.

213006 ▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Basics, #125 of 1497 🔗

The British press are as culpable

211834 ▶▶ Basics, replying to nickbowes, 3, #126 of 1497 🔗

Dis information.

Mis information is different.

Dis information unit at the bbc staffed by marianna spring and others. That is how to remember the more sinister of the two.

211860 ▶▶ anon, replying to nickbowes, 1, #127 of 1497 🔗

I read imperial received north of 200million from gates. ~220m I believe

213004 ▶▶ Adam, replying to nickbowes, #128 of 1497 🔗

Gates should be barred from entering Britain and have any assets frozen

211725 John Galt, replying to John Galt, 21, #129 of 1497 🔗

Thank goodness Boris seems so far to be resisting the siren calls of the prophets of doom.

Very naive. He’s not resisting anything. It just isn’t time for the next measures to be put in place yet. Give it a couple of weeks, if that.

212321 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to John Galt, #130 of 1497 🔗

Keep an eye on what happens this weekend.

211727 James Bertram, replying to James Bertram, 6, #131 of 1497 🔗

Two leaflets and a 4 page newspaper from The Conservative Party have just dropped through my door (Guildford). We are only ever contacted like this when there is an election on. (Do they know something we don’t?)
Any suggestions as to what I should do with it?

211795 ▶▶ annie, replying to James Bertram, 10, #132 of 1497 🔗

Yes, but they’re too obscene to be posted by my chaste hand.

211885 ▶▶ Ruth Sharpe, replying to James Bertram, #133 of 1497 🔗

Is it a freebie or can you do ‘Return to Sender’?

212171 ▶▶ Adam, replying to James Bertram, 2, #134 of 1497 🔗

Never trust the Tories same with labour

211729 Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 13, #135 of 1497 🔗

If anyone hasn’t already seen it, Julia HB’s interview with Professor Paul Elliott was breathtaking. The follow-up response interview with Professor Anthony Brookes was also worth a listen – suspect he has signed the Great Barrington Declaration.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYqpiH1Q8bQ&t=456s

211756 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 8, #136 of 1497 🔗

Absolutely epic stuff. I just posted same above without noticing it here – so good it is posted twice.
Prof Anthony Brookes in the 2nd half is magical JHB really outstanding such simple clear questioning.

211812 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Basics, 10, #137 of 1497 🔗

Me and Mr TT watched it – as I say, breathtaking! Julia HB is very smart, but wonder whether these ignorant and arrogant ‘scientists’ think because she also studied PPE, she will be a patsy. As far as I recall, one or more of her parents were doctors, so suspect she knows quite a lot. She also is not so arrogant that she will not do her homework. So far, she has got the better of pretty much everyone she has interviewed.

212387 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Basics, 1, #138 of 1497 🔗

The thing I took away from the end bit was that if de Piffle is wanting to steer the “Middle Way” through this, as advocated by the WHO, he’d sack the Chucklebrothers and their chums and appoint a bunch of advisors who would help him to do that.
Am I missing something (she asked naively) ?

211808 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 9, #139 of 1497 🔗

I don’t know how anyone could watch that interview and believe a single thing that ICL say about the virus or lockdown. I don’t think I’ve ever seen an interviewee look quite so uncomfortable.

211818 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to kenadams, 4, #140 of 1497 🔗

I know. As I said below in response to Nick Bowes’ comment, there needs to be a root and branch inquiry of the entire institution. He was shockingly bad.

212390 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to kenadams, #141 of 1497 🔗

What Brookes said about Idiott’s paper made me wonder if he’d just put his name to it and not even bothered to read it.

211888 ▶▶ Sophie123, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 7, #142 of 1497 🔗

I’m not sure she’s asking the Qs right – listening to it now. Talking about SARS1 and MERS – they didn’t sweep around the world as they didn’t have such long pre-symptomatic infectious phases as SARS2, which meant they were more readily contained. So even if T cell immunity was protecting some proportion of the population from them, it will be confounded by that factor. He didn’t answer it right either though – he could have made that point and skewered her back.

T cell immunity is the right Q, but she should be asking why he thinks the common cold coronaviruses don’t have any cross-immunity (from T cell response) that confers immunity to SARS2. Or why we have seen so few reinfections. Millions and millions of cases, and how many reinfections? I think I can count them on 1 hand. And there are tons of people out there (more than 1 hand’s worth) with suppressed immune systems who can’t make antibodies.

Laughing at the Sweden challenge now though. Go for it!

Oh god the “culture is different” trope. And the population density trope. Has he ever been to Sweden?!

211909 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Sophie123, 3, #143 of 1497 🔗

Catch tge Anthong Brooks half after elliots shameful display. Thst is what made it for me. Truly uplifting to hear the good after the bad.

211970 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #144 of 1497 🔗

Ta muchly. I was looking for that.

212351 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #145 of 1497 🔗

Wow! “Let me spell it out in words of one syllable”
The arrogant prick!!!!!!

211732 Jamie, replying to Jamie, 37, #146 of 1497 🔗

I wonder if anyone has seen this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEC1YOJSyng

It’s the woman from Barnsley who was vox poxed on BBC radio I think. GMTV did a follow up interview with her and her husband last Friday.

This interview made my blood boil. The interviewers could not have been more condescending and patronising, infantilizing this 80 odd year old couple in the most disgraceful way.

Hats off to them though when the GP said that it’s the worst pandemic in 101 years, the husband came back and told her she was wrong – though she still smiled back at them like she was talking to a couple of 3 year olds

I had to post this, it made my blood boil so much I couldn’t sleep last night.

It would be great if lockdown sceptics interviewed this couple. I could see that they were seriously angry at the way they were being talked to, the wife actually elbowing her husband in the midriff at one point in fear he was going to go too far and I think it would be very interesting to have their take on this.

I would also like to send them a message of support, they are seriously brave for challenging the mainstream view in such a way.

Anyway, had to get that one off my chest!

211737 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Jamie, 13, #147 of 1497 🔗

Agree with every word.

211742 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Jamie, 28, #148 of 1497 🔗

Dr. Sarah Jarvis is very condescending when she is challenged. The couple did very well in the interview despite the unfair pressure.

211763 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Victoria, 18, #149 of 1497 🔗

Sarah Jarvis is one patronising cow.

211755 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Jamie, 4, #150 of 1497 🔗

Can Delingpole maybe interview them?

211776 ▶▶▶ Jamie, replying to Carrie, 30, #151 of 1497 🔗

I don’t care who interviews them, so long as they are treated with respect and the journalist highlights that this is an example of the wider infantilization of older people during this crisis. It is quite clear to me that we now only see older people in the context of vulnerability, that they are people of unsound mind who can’t be trusted to make decisions for themselves. This is not right and I think lockdown sceptics have an angle here that people would be interested in.

211791 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Jamie, 26, #152 of 1497 🔗

And if I hear that BLOODY word “BLESS” when people mention older people ( I’m 72 in December) again, I will not be held responsible for my actions.

211798 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jamie, replying to Fingerache Philip., 8, #153 of 1497 🔗

I know, who the hell do these people think they are? I would feel exactly the same way. I’m 44, but angry for you!

211810 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Jamie, 4, #154 of 1497 🔗

Misquoting Winnie the Pooh: “People of very little brain”

211871 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Jamie, 16, #155 of 1497 🔗

I was spoken to like this a few years ago by a female GP a few years older than me (I’m now 55). She got a bit more than she bargained for when I challenged her scientific assertions – I’m a graduate scientist!

212612 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Graham, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #156 of 1497 🔗

For some reason I’m often treated like a backward child by woman doctors. I am a middle aged man with an RP accent, so I would have thought I might be the beneficiary of prejudice, but it doesn’t seem to work that way.

213089 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Fingerache Philip., #157 of 1497 🔗

Ah, bless …

211866 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Jamie, 16, #158 of 1497 🔗

Amazing isn’t it the way Maureen and her husband were spoken to by the condescending Dr Jarvis and the two English graduate poppets hosting the show, who no doubt hang on every word spoken by the 80 year-old Dr Anthony Fauci!

211772 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Jamie, 16, #159 of 1497 🔗

Oh my word just watched this! What a bunch of bitches. They make me sick. Note how comments are turned off.

211779 ▶▶▶ Jamie, replying to Janice21, 9, #160 of 1497 🔗

Noted that too!

212204 ▶▶▶ Staincliffe, replying to Janice21, 7, #161 of 1497 🔗

Comments were allowed on Sarah Jarvis’s Twitter account though I bet she wishes they weren’t. The tone was generally scathing of her condescending manner and lies.

211781 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Jamie, 20, #162 of 1497 🔗

I did watch that but had to switch off after than Jarvis woman was speaking. The couple were a trooper despite showing up the presenters for the ignoramuses that they are.

The likes of Jarvis seem to have a death wish – perhaps practically begging to be struck off when this is all over.

211797 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #163 of 1497 🔗

Struck where?
I can think of better words than ‘off’.

211857 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to annie, 3, #164 of 1497 🔗

Struck off by the GMC for medical malpractice.

213014 ▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Bart Simpson, #165 of 1497 🔗

Can Hillary Jones be struck off also

211868 ▶▶ Tking, replying to Jamie, 21, #166 of 1497 🔗

I thought the same, I think Maureen from Barnsley and her husband are national heroes they came across very well, but the presenters & the GP were amateur and terrible, they were trying (and failed) to make them look like silly old people, when they have more common sense than the whole cabinet and Sage put together.

212423 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tking, 4, #167 of 1497 🔗

The Daily Mail describes her as “A plucky Barnsley pensioner” Vomit vomit vomit!!!

Maureen’s been a parish councillor for 50 years, so is no doubt used to dealing with idiots.

211964 ▶▶ TyRade, replying to Jamie, 9, #168 of 1497 🔗

maybe, if we get our ‘Sceptic acts together (Toby), we can, with her permission obviously, turn the marvellous Maureen Eames into the anti-Tom Moore (that poor, well-meaning and misguided 100 year old who marched in his back yard for the…NHS)? ‘Dame-hood for Maureen’ as a mantra (given Tom copped a knighthood)?

212009 ▶▶▶ Jamie, replying to TyRade, 9, #169 of 1497 🔗

Would agree with that, I think there’s genuine interest and goodwill here and we need older anti-lockdown advocates to champion the cause amongst other old people. Let’s get them on Toby!

212413 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jamie, 5, #170 of 1497 🔗

The Beeb thought they’d got a couple of thick proles from oop north. They turned out to be very astute, politically savvy, articulate and assertive individuals.

I’m not surprised you’re mad. The patronising arrogance of both the interviewer and the doctor should be enough to get the BBC banned from existence.

Here’s another bright lass from t’other side o’ th’ill:

https://www.facebook.com/MartinCostelloUK/videos/3488242864566659

213171 ▶▶ PWL, replying to Jamie, #171 of 1497 🔗

A set up to demonstrate that people who are against lockdown are idiots. Anyone involved in promoting this woman as an anti-lockdown spokesperson are in on it. So, I wasn’t surprised to see Hitchens doing it.
This is what you want… This is what you get

211740 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 6, #172 of 1497 🔗

Just had a go at making a couple of memes:

211744 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 3, #173 of 1497 🔗

211750 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Nobody2020, 15, #174 of 1497 🔗

NZ’s isolation camps are very worrying, as is the interview with Ardern laughing saying people will not be able to leave if they refuse to be tested…

211921 ▶▶▶▶ Ruth Sharpe, replying to Carrie, 2, #175 of 1497 🔗

That is definitely part of the Great Reset agenda.

212437 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Carrie, 1, #176 of 1497 🔗

Free bed and board for the homeless though …..

212020 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 8, #177 of 1497 🔗

Attempt number 2:

211749 Basics, replying to Basics, 10, #178 of 1497 🔗

Absolutely outstanding JHB… the professor elliot is obviously a nasty bit of work… he has cintempt for everything but his own arrogant self. See his bookshelves – thats how much he values his work. That isn’t the outstanding bit. JHB then goes on to speak to prof anthony brooks – outstanding. JHB asks what are these imperial untrustables hiding why won’t they answer – anthony’s answer is spine tingling – he knows, they know, academ8cs know of exactly the reasoned rational position skeptics have. Listen up!

https://youtu.be/vYqpiH1Q8bQ

211863 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Basics, 4, #179 of 1497 🔗

What is it with the books background? It’s gotta be intentional to infer intelligence. What if I just place my Kindle behind me with a note saying ‘Contains 200 books’, is that the idea?

They must see the public as complete morons yet desire their attention and respect sooo badly

211870 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #180 of 1497 🔗

In fairness my home office (otherwise known as the dining room) is full to bursting with books. In fact I have been buying more second-hand books lately from fear that they will ban them as dangerous items. Kindle just doesn’t do it for me. I don’t claim to be super intelligent, I just like reading.

211900 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #181 of 1497 🔗

In fairness ypu are not speaking as a professional to the known universe. Also some of the best people are untidy as sin and good for them. However when a man is refusing to answer questions, clearly muddled in his thinking, displaying signs of arrogant contempt at being challenged and his shelves and table tops are a disorganised disgrace it is reasonable to infer there is a problem underlying.

211751 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 35, #182 of 1497 🔗

Professor Yvonne Doyle of Public Health England, when asked by the House of Commons Select Committee on Science and Technology for the scientific evidence for the two metre social distancing rule, replied, “The precautionary principle.” These people are not using scientific evidence. They are engaging in pseudoscience. They are using sciency-scounding language to push Just So Stories.

All the science of the coronavirus responses is pseudoscience. All of it. The lockdowns, the two metre social distancing, the face masks, the Rule of Six, the ten o’clock rule, the face mask required when standing but not when seated. It is all just making stuff up and asserting that it is science and hoping that know one will notice, or, if they do, they can be ignored or silenced.

The pseudoscience ought to have provided the comedians with endless material. And frankly, I suspect satire would have far more effect in combatting this nonsense than any amount of reasoned, evidenced argument, as the believers seem to be impervious to inconvenient facts.

211766 ▶▶ JME, replying to Steve Hayes, 10, #183 of 1497 🔗

Absolutely right.
in terms of comedians taking the p*ss, if you haven’t seen him, check out a Andrew Lawrence in YouTube (especially his police monologues)- brilliant ( & each sketch just lasts 2 mins)

211783 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to JME, 3, #184 of 1497 🔗

Thanks. I have just had a look. https://youtu.be/GKHBCEEOCHU

212706 ▶▶▶ ChrisDinBristol, replying to JME, 1, #185 of 1497 🔗

Saw the South Park covid episode last night – effin hilarious! Highly recommended (if you’re not easily offended)

211979 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #186 of 1497 🔗

WHO set the social distancing threshold at 1m. Germany 1.5. U.K. 2 meters. Go figure !

211752 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 17, #187 of 1497 🔗

I think that we can make a start with the “fight back” by totally ignoring the threat over Christmas day dinners.

211765 ▶▶ steph, replying to Fingerache Philip., 10, #188 of 1497 🔗

Agree but that’s nearly 2 months away. I hope and trust we are all ignoring lots of edicts in the here and now too.

211774 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to steph, 5, #189 of 1497 🔗

Of course, I’m doing that now,ignoring all the edicts.

211789 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Fingerache Philip., 9, #190 of 1497 🔗

I think many people would ignore it and that can only be a good thing. I am more concerned by the idea that BoJo will throw a pathetic bone over Christmas that will be accepted by those too indoctrinated or stupid to see that they are being duped by the generous offer of relative freedom for 1 day in 365.

211804 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #191 of 1497 🔗

If people can’t see Bojo for the opportunist liar he is, they are not worthy of consideration.

211819 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #192 of 1497 🔗

Indeed. But in large numbers they act as a human bulwark for the Government. I just have no sense any more of how many are interested in their freedoms, or even aware that they should have any. Still hopeful, though!

212442 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #193 of 1497 🔗

He made it perfectly clear during his election campaign that he was an opportunistic liar …..

213042 ▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Fingerache Philip., #194 of 1497 🔗

I bet Johnson will be out soon either by public anger or the Tories develop a spine and remove him just like they did to Thatcher back in 1990

212025 ▶▶ Jamie, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #195 of 1497 🔗

I just can’t help things will change in terms of the information about this virus if the democrats win the US elections, because it won’t be necessary to use it as a political tool anymore. Been saying this for months but watch this space, it’ll be interesting to see what happens to this virus after November 3rd whoever wins …

212445 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jamie, #196 of 1497 🔗

The democrats have said they’ll drag out the election results till January no matter who wins.

213044 ▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Cheezilla, #197 of 1497 🔗

I still believe Trump will be reelected

213026 ▶▶ Adam, replying to Fingerache Philip., #198 of 1497 🔗

I will meet with who I like at Christmas it is none of this apology of a government’s business

211759 RichT, replying to RichT, 26, #199 of 1497 🔗

Received this yesterday in my inbox.

Dear ,

Black, Asian and minority ethnic people have been overexposed, under protected, stigmatised and overlooked during this pandemic — and this has been generations in the making.

We need urgent action to ensure that those most at risk from a second COVID-19 spike over winter are protected.

Today, I have launched my report into the disproportionate number of deaths of Black, Asian and ethnic minority communities from Covid.

The overwhelming message is clear — this must be a watershed moment for change. This is why I am proud today Labour has called on the government to take urgent action.

My name, will you share our report and demand immediate action to protect those communities most at risk from a second winter spike?

A national strategy to tackle health inequalities, the suspension of no recourse to public funds rule during the pandemic, targeted support for people struggling to self-isolate, a legal requirement for employers to publish risk assessments and improved access to PPE for staff in all high-risk workplaces.

Keir Starmer has also announced that the next Labour government will implement a Race Equality Act to tackle structural racial inequality at its source.

I will now work with Keir to use these recommendations as the basis for developing this Act and I hope I can count on your continued support. Together I hope we can make this a reality.

This report is not just mine. It belongs to the hundreds of people who have shared their stories with me. Will you read and share our report?

I’m so proud to have led on producing this important report, now I need your help to make its recommendations a reality. Please read and share on social media so we can demand action from this government to protect our communities.

Thank you,

Baroness Doreen Lawrence

My reply was more concise

“What an utter load of bollocks”

211773 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to RichT, 16, #200 of 1497 🔗

Jesus wept.

Doreen Lawrence has done more to set back race relations than her son’s murder has.

She should just shut up or better yet resign.

212894 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #201 of 1497 🔗

Black and Asian people are more at risk. I strongly suspect vitamin D deficiency may play a role,

211777 ▶▶ Jo, replying to RichT, 11, #202 of 1497 🔗

I hope someone reminds her of the recent news that this group in society are one of the hardest hit in terms of jobs and their businesses

211859 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to RichT, 8, #203 of 1497 🔗

She was on BBC yesterday and her big plan is to ensure PPE is provided to BAME communities. Yeah, mask em and get a visor on.

Insanity reigns

211884 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #204 of 1497 🔗

Slavery?? Hmm

211973 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to RichT, 21, #205 of 1497 🔗

How lovely, how virtuous. These people have it so hard that it’s nice someone like Baroness Lawrence is taking it seriously. May I help with a draft reply ???

Dear Baroness Lawrence.

My aunt was 54. In August she died in her own bed after rotting away with cancer, never able in her final few months of her life to get the domestic or hospital care that might have been able to bring her a few more months of comfort and life before her passing.

She was scared shitless of the virus and I am happy to share with you what she felt and how scared she was, as I have the letters written in her shaking hand.

She was very poor, her parents were Irish. But she was British. She was white, she died alone abandoned by our system with no assets and no money & no wealth. A single bedroom council supplied maisonette, that is already likely occupied by another unfortunate member of our working classes.

How does this factual case study fit into your fictional narrative that a disproportionate number of deaths of Black, Asian and ethnic minority communities has occurred, when its obvious to a village idiot that every community has been affected by Covid. And let me state. All British people are affected equally, it is disingenuous to suggest otherwise.

Would you consider my Aunt to be collateral damage and somehow she was privileged to be not obviously BAME ? Would you champion her cause as a British person.

How can you claim disproportionate affects from Covid when every and I do mean every person alive in a G20 nation is being affected, unfairly, by Covid.

Basically, fuck you. Your a self interested political stooge.

Best wishes,

I’ve lost my track a bit, but making this about race just shows how political it is. Covid is affecting everyone !

211760 MUSICGIRL, replying to MUSICGIRL, 105, #206 of 1497 🔗

Hello! I’ve not commented here before, but I had a dream last night that I accidentally found a hug gig with thousands of people going on in an arts centre, it felt amazing. I miss gigs so bad….

I’ve come to really depend on the normality of voices on this website against the utter madness I’m seeing and reading out in the so called real world. I’m a leftie, I voted remain, used to read the Guardian (but now OMG what a negative biased viewpoint I can see it all I swear!) I always supported what’s ‘good’ and ‘right’ and ‘fair’ but my fellow lefty friends have left me baffled. I feel I may have lost some of them for good – these are friends of over 30 years out of my humble 46 on this planet. The retort from one when pointing out the impending global disaster caused by lockdown – starving people, lives ruined, huge amounts of suicide – all done mainly for us to protect people like my dad (who has COPD, borderline diabetic, overweight from a diet of cider and cake) and her response was ‘that’s a political matter’. I’m still gobsmacked people can’t see the long term consequences far outweigh the benefits. I simply don’t get how COVID lives are worth more than ANY other lives.

In our family we know 2 elderly people who have died from not being able to see their doctors in time to fix what could have been treatable ailments. None from COVID. I do know people who have had it and recovered fine. I’m not suggesting it’s not real, I’m not suggesting it’s not dangerous for a very limited few – I’m pretty sure if my lovely Dad got it he’d be gone, I’d be gutted, but I know that’s how life goes & we all can’t live forever. We can’t cure death. We can’t wipe out millions of other lives to save a few thousand others.

I have never suffered from depression before but found myself yesterday staring at the booze aisle thinking ‘I don’t want a drink, but I’m just so…tired…of life!’ and came away realising even hardy, positive, energetic people like me are being so affected – if you do have a tend to be ‘down’ this must be unbearable.

I wear a mask at the moment because I hate confrontation (bullies as my husband calls them) but I really don’t want to, and I resist inside myself daily, so I’m going to make my own lanyard to break me into mingling with a world of frightened people hidden behind a mask. I’ll bravely attempt tesco without it later today and report back. I REALLY hate confrontation but I believe if we all don’t start taking a stand nothing will change. So I’m going to start today.

Anyhow thanks to those out there who keep this chat going and make me realise I’m not alone and mad for thinking this is all a huge and insane over-reaction. Keep it up.

211788 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to MUSICGIRL, 26, #207 of 1497 🔗

Good for you, go to Tesco proudly with no mask and show your smile!

211811 ▶▶ annie, replying to MUSICGIRL, 39, #208 of 1497 🔗

Musicgirl, you are on the right path. Stay on it.
Life is always worth living – unless you are a zombie, and zombies deserve the shit they get.
Find a little joy every day. Every good thought is a poke in the eye for THEM. Every nappyless face is a breath of freedom.
Gigs will return.

211826 ▶▶ richmond, replying to MUSICGIRL, 20, #209 of 1497 🔗

If there’s an argument, stay calm and tell them that the German consultant neurologist Dr Griesz-Brisson says that masks cause irreversible brain damage in children (Interview on Bitshute) and you don’t want to play any part in normalising the practice and thereby colluding with that.

211832 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to MUSICGIRL, 17, #210 of 1497 🔗

In case it helps, you might consider printing out one of my discriminatory challenges documents.

If you are challenged, you can just show the document to them, smile sweetly, and carry on about your business.

211846 ▶▶ Keen Cook, replying to MUSICGIRL, 21, #211 of 1497 🔗

I’ve not worn a mask and never will but I did get the sunflower lanyard from Sainsburys customer care counter right at the start (you just have to ask) and I do wear it in very large public places (but not in village shops).Just be confident – “I am exempt” and carry on smiling. Good luck!

211858 ▶▶▶ MUSICGIRL, replying to Keen Cook, 28, #212 of 1497 🔗

Thanks all I’ve fashioned one out of a Chelsea Flower Show Private View lanyard. I’m going to make a card that says I suffer from NHB. (Small print – being a Normal Human Being). Saw that on here I think. It’s well good. I’m nicking it! Cheers for your cheers lovely people.

211855 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to MUSICGIRL, 17, #213 of 1497 🔗

Download the government’s own exempt mobile lanyard, just show it to anyone who confronts you and don’t make a scene. If they insist, and the confrontation looks likely, let them know you’ll not return as a customer and that you’ll be emailing the store manager and owners to remind them of exemption Law.

I know you are worried about getting into an argument with people about tbe law and might get muddled etc. Just retire from the store and take it to their superiors.

I’ve found 9 times outta 10 they either just acknowledge the exemption note or just ignore you anyway.

211864 ▶▶ Chloe, replying to MUSICGIRL, 17, #214 of 1497 🔗

I could have written this myself! You are not alone.

211895 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to MUSICGIRL, 14, #215 of 1497 🔗

I feel exactly the same. Although it can leave you sometimes drained, going out without a mask is a liberating experience. Try it and once you’ve done it, there will be nothing to fear.

Also carry this on your phone or a hard copy in your handbag:

https://www.laworfiction.com/2020/07/face-covering-for-6-to-12-months-from-24th-july/

https://www.laworfiction.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Face-Covering-Exemption-Notice-with-Law-Explained-24-July-2020.pdf

211902 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to MUSICGIRL, 14, #216 of 1497 🔗

Once you see the left for what it is you begin to question everything…

211923 ▶▶▶ MUSICGIRL, replying to JHuntz, 24, #217 of 1497 🔗

Many of my friends are far left anarchists who think this is all a scam. I have right leaning rellies, a socialist husband, and lots of friends who fall in the middle. I don’t have a problem with ‘the left’ I do however have a problem with false news reporting and fear mongering. I have as much problem with ‘the right’ too – I think this whole issue transcends left and right. For me it’s about ALL human rights, balance in action, the right to live and not be in a state of forced imprisonment.

212017 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to MUSICGIRL, 20, #218 of 1497 🔗

I’ve been keeping some strange bedfellows since this insanity started! Left and right isn’t nearly as important as whether you’re in the freedom vs. tyranny camp. Welcome and let us know how your mask-free excursions go!

212296 ▶▶▶▶▶ chris c, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 19, #219 of 1497 🔗

When I was young I thought I was far left. Now I appear to be far right. The strange thing is that my views haven’t changed much, it’s just that everything has rotated around me

212754 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lili, replying to chris c, 3, #220 of 1497 🔗

Yep, that’s me too.

212064 ▶▶▶▶ Jamie, replying to MUSICGIRL, 11, #221 of 1497 🔗

Absolutely well said. As soon as politics came into this and people started to be categorised into boxes for their political leanings this all went wrong. I think the picture painted in the media is wrong and is an attempt at cynical divide and rule. There’s loads of people on the left who think this is bollocks, your views on risk, balance, proportionality and basic freedoms should not and are not determined by your previous political views …

I’ve always been political but I think divided politics on both sides have massively contributed to this mess

212576 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to MUSICGIRL, 12, #222 of 1497 🔗

I’m a ‘rightie’ but have a left-wing friend who is opposed to all this Covid nonsense. He also voted ‘Leave’ because he agrees with the old-fashioned Labour idea that the EU is a rich man’s club used to keep wages down by increasing the pool of labour through open borders migration. Funny old world!

212750 ▶▶▶▶ Lili, replying to MUSICGIRL, 5, #223 of 1497 🔗

Absolutely right. This is about our lives as a free people – it transcends anything else.

211992 ▶▶ Edward, replying to MUSICGIRL, 11, #224 of 1497 🔗

Good to see you here. I also have dreams about being in large crowds, and miss going to gigs, though my politics are a bit more to the right than yours. But the left/right distinction is increasingly irrelevant in the current situation.
As for shopping maskless, just say you’re exempt on medical grounds and in most cases you’ll be fine. The lanyard isn’t legally required but it should help your confidence.

212039 ▶▶ CGL, replying to MUSICGIRL, 10, #225 of 1497 🔗

Welcome! Sounds like you fit in just fine here. I am not the same politically as you but I’m not sure politics will ever be relevant again. Hope to see more comments from you now you’re here.

212109 ▶▶▶ Jamie, replying to CGL, 8, #226 of 1497 🔗

Hear, hear. ‘Left’ or ‘Right’, we need to unite over this issue, there are higher principles that we all share as UK citizens that are above the nonsense of party allegiance. We all have the same cause to fight, simply because we all share the same essential trait. We are all rational human beings.

212052 ▶▶ Jamie, replying to MUSICGIRL, 39, #227 of 1497 🔗

Welcome from an ex-Guardian reader, lefty, remainer who has been calling out this nonsense since April (in fact I called it out vociferously on the Guardian website and was banned after nearly 15 yrs of commenting) When I open the website now I am utterly disgusted, as I am with the Labour Party who seem to be very complicit in causing untold misery to the most disadvantaged people in society, whilst not protecting human or civil rights and contributing to a future health crisis … I have also left the Labour Party over this.

i come to this website nearly everyday for the exact same reasons as you. Toby Young, Peter Hitchens and JHB are strange bedfellows for me but they are some of the only examples of people challenging authority and seeking the truth at the moment, principles that the left seem to have completely abandoned.

It’s good to hear from you, we are not alone and I think less alone than we think or the media would have us believe.

I actually work for Citizens Advice, a lefty/liberal institution you would think, but the vast majority of colleagues I speak to are cynical too, or at least more objectively worried at the damage these measures will cause than most. Our data points to a catastrophe for the least well off in our society, I want to argue for them but the people who I thought shared that passion have completely abandoned the cause.

At least we can hold our heads up high and say that we have not abandoned our principles!

212184 ▶▶▶ MUSICGIRL, replying to Jamie, 13, #228 of 1497 🔗

Thank you for that – I do struggle with how people I know have become so indoctrinated to it – I literally haven’t seen my best friends for over a year and to them that seems acceptable. There will be a reckoning from this there’s no doubt – I’m just waiting for suddenly the Guardian to be wailing at the tragic news of starving nations and how awful it is without any comment on the irony that they actively encouraged it from the start. Same for Labour – I’m appalled at them. I know there are a lot more lefties like us – I just fear they are afraid to actually speak their mind, smothered under media peer pressure and left vs right-ism. (If that’s even a word…)

212312 ▶▶▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to MUSICGIRL, 19, #229 of 1497 🔗

You’ve actually spoken for me too. Always left leaning, and voted Remain and read the Guardian. Then I started feeling something wasn’t right about two years ago, which lead me to down a path of awakening (and some very deep rabbit holes!) Oh boy! When this “virus” hit it came as no surprise. I was a sceptic from the outset. It, to me, was so obviously manipulated, I thought others would see straight through it….but they didn’t, hence the situation we’re in now. I too have lost friends because despite my research they choose to be told how to think by MSM. I’m firmly in the centre camp. I just want right to be done for all, and the ability to exercise our basic human rights without punishment. Stay strong on the (non) mask front. I haven’t worn one yet, and its been fine. It’s so good we can come on here and share thoughts with other like-minded souls. In fact this one of the nicest, friendliest places at the moment. Stay sane too – we’re all in the same collective consciousness right now.

212689 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to HelenaHancart, 2, #230 of 1497 🔗

There was a Remain/Guardian supporter at the Daily Telegraph with a similarish name to you, Helena, and if it was you – then you and me had several run-ins….Pax! as they used to say long ago to bring a quarrel to an end 🙂
As regards re-wakening, I suspect that’s true for us all, it certainly is for me, it’s just that it’s different parts of the scam/agenda that fool us. I’m doing all I can not to be fooled again by talking to people here and keeping my critical faculties set to ‘perpetually-suspicious’.

212356 ▶▶▶▶ Jamie, replying to MUSICGIRL, 7, #231 of 1497 🔗

I do think this virus has been used cynically by politicians of all persuasion. I think there’s significant context to this, in particular the rise of what’s termed ‘populism’, and the growing cultural divide. I think Trump, and Brexit in this country, have been huge drivers behind the response. I think major players in the media and other big players on the world stage realised that they could weaponise the virus for what I feel they thought the common good i.e. getting rid of Trump and uniting people in the process around one common virtuous cause.

I think a lot of people on the left can’t be that stupid not to understand the data, the proportionality and the cost-benefit analysis, so one can only assume that they are driven by the narrative, and strongly driven by their objection to Trump and Brexit. In other words, they think they’re on to a win win situation here and bulletproof in it’s virtuosity. It is very much in their interests to keep fear going until they know it’s not benefiting them in the polls, so they manipulate the fear.

It is much more noble to speak the truth and defend the common good rather than revert to simple tribalism in my view.

I have not left the left in principle it’s just that I don’t really think the people representing the left at the moment necessarily reflect my own views, and frankly I would not trust them to make the right decisions after this debacle!

212079 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to MUSICGIRL, 11, #232 of 1497 🔗

Good luck. If it’s any reassurance, I’ve never had any problems in Tesco. Just go in, head held high, shoulders back and plaster on a ‘don’t mess with me face’ and you’ll be fine.

212629 ▶▶▶ Graham, replying to kh1485, 6, #233 of 1497 🔗

I agree. Tesco’s are fine. And it’s nice to whizz past all the people queuing up for the hand muck at the entrance. Just celebrated over three months of non mask wearing. I have never owned a mask and tried one on just once. Didn’t like it.

212233 ▶▶ Staincliffe, replying to MUSICGIRL, 13, #234 of 1497 🔗

On the very rare occasions that I’m questioned, it’s usually on the lines of ‘ have you forgotten your mask because we can give you one’. I just smile and shake my head. If they (even more rarely) persist I just say in a quiet non-confrontational way that ‘I have a condition’ – unsaid is the fact that the condition is NHB. They then leave it. I do have a sunflower lanyard just in case but I haven’t needed it so far. I think just being seen in the shop without a mask and lanyard may give other customers the nudge to do it themselves the next time.

212480 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Staincliffe, 5, #235 of 1497 🔗

That’s my attitude. Demonstrate genuine normality. It’s very important – it’s also extremely empowering!

212581 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #236 of 1497 🔗

Also important, I think, not to display your lanyard/badge too obviously, as that then becomes just an alternative badge of submission.

213058 ▶▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Cranmer, 4, #237 of 1497 🔗

I stopped showing my lanyard a while back (but present it when challenged, without more than saying “exempt” with a smile). Someone here likened it to a yellow star or pink triangle. I got the sentiment and I immediately stopped wearing the lanyard.
Also, my politics have changed considerably now, insofar that so many topics I used to think were important seem irrelevant. It’s now all about freedom from coercion, gaslighting and toxic (broken) logic.

212370 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to MUSICGIRL, 9, #238 of 1497 🔗

I’m a (centre) Rightie and totally disappointed by ‘my corner’. I think we can all agree that personal liberty is a universal value to be cherished by all those with a traditionally British moderate inclination. The one thing I am pleased to see is moderate Left and Right coming together in resisting this. On the masks, I too hate confrontation but I also sense that we have a moral duty to claim exemption. You have to have a thick skin for sure…

212428 ▶▶▶ MUSICGIRL, replying to jhfreedom, 8, #239 of 1497 🔗

Mine will get thicker for sure. Just takes the first leap! My husband just did Tesco without me maskless and smiled his way round! I’ll brave it tomorrow…

212496 ▶▶ leggy, replying to MUSICGIRL, 5, #240 of 1497 🔗

Welcome to an oasis of sanity in a crazy world. I too miss gigs so much. I have tickets for Glasto, but have resigned myself to the fact that it’ll probably never happen again. At least I got a good load of partying in whilst I could, it’s our kids I feel sorry for – my daughter was 18 in January and has had all that torn away from her like everyone else.

The stance of your friends is worrying but not surprising. I think we’re mostly in the same boat there. But that’s one of the only things we can do. Try to open as many friend’s eyes as possible. There’s protesting too of course and if you attend one of those you’ll see it confirms what you said about all of this transcending traditional political allegiances. Literally every part of society is represented as far as I can see.

Keep fighting the good fight.

212565 ▶▶▶ Jamie, replying to leggy, 4, #241 of 1497 🔗

Hi leggy, do you know the best place to hear about upcoming protests, I see that all forms of media have done a very good job at suppressing any advertising of these events. Have you got a reliable source of info?

Whilst we’re at this, really we should be forming a anti-lockdown movement of our own, I think a lot of people may be put off by conspiracy theorists but would actually like to take to the streets if the protests and speakers were based on fact.

212698 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Jamie, 3, #242 of 1497 🔗

Jamie, I agree. We need to get things going in small groups on as many days as possible. I’m getting a leaflet printed – it’s based on one of Mabel Cow’s designs and when it’s ready for taking to a printer she can put it on her site.
Anyone in London should, I think, be in Trafalgar Square as much as they can regardless of whether there is an organised event.
Other towns and cities can set up their own standard meeting point.

212650 ▶▶▶ MUSICGIRL, replying to leggy, 2, #243 of 1497 🔗

I have/had glasto tickets too and I’m not giving up the hope it will happen – would have been my first in 13 years, a weekend with my brother who lives in Belfast so I can’t visit him. I have faith that all social life as we know it can’t be quashed forever when they realise the damage this has caused. I have to believe it otherwise…where’s the effing gin!

212551 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to MUSICGIRL, 5, #244 of 1497 🔗

Good on you! I suggest you try a small shop first. Hold your head high and have a positive but forthright look on your face. Don’t expect trouble. If anyone or a staff member asks about a mask just say proudly “ I’m exempt” so far I’ve been ok with this ‘attitude’ and it’s made a huge difference to my feeling I actually do have rights and will not submit to this farce.

212573 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to MUSICGIRL, 4, #245 of 1497 🔗

Keep smiling through, as they used to say in the war. As others have said, get an exemption lanyard. You don’t even have to show it, just have it for ‘dutch courage’ if anyone asks. As for booze, I’ve been tempted as well but I find that deep breathing exercises (Wim Hof Method) and exercise in the outdoors are a much better form of anti-depressant (and don’t cost anything).

212656 ▶▶▶ MUSICGIRL, replying to Cranmer, 1, #246 of 1497 🔗

Thanks for the tips – I run my own business and have two children of 6 and 7 so long walks is a tricky one, but the Wim Hof method is something my hubby has done so I shall seek tips from him – that and super cold showers.

212736 ▶▶ Lili, replying to MUSICGIRL, 6, #247 of 1497 🔗

Welcome to the sane side of the street. I know where you’re coming from. All my Tory hating friends are lapping up this Conservative foray into fascism. I don’t have a political party as I always agree with bits of all the parties’ policies but since I’ve let rip at the Tories over their response to this virus all I get is blank stares and radio silence. I can’t work it out.

Re not wearing the new global slave gag. You know that you are doing this not because you’re a bad person but because you’re coming from a place of goodness in your heart. Walk tall, smile and be chatty and be confident in saying ‘I’m exempt’, if challenged. It rarely happens. Good luck and report back.

PS: I’m a musician and miss rehearsing playing gigs with my band. I hate this government for what they’re doing to our brilliant music industry.

212827 ▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to MUSICGIRL, 6, #248 of 1497 🔗

The first time I went maskless about a month ago I was worried about confrontation but decided I had to do it properly and that meant my lanyard being in my pocket, not round my neck. A back up only, I was going back to normal.

I’ve occasionally been challenged and my word has always been accepted. If that’s still scary you could just say you’re exempt and briefly take your lanyard out your pocket to show the security guard before putting it away.

I know how you’re feeling right now but honestly you’ve nothing to fear. Just do your shop, smile, enjoy breathing in and I guarantee that by the time you come out you’ll have a sense of elation you can scarcely describe.

After that you will not feel the fear again, because you’ll come to realise that sense of elation was you completing your deprogramming and you ain’t ever gonna look back.

Legally all you need to know is it’s illegal for someone to demand you display a lanyard and its illegal for someone to ask what your exemption is. They have to take your word.

Enjoy being human again.

211769 Dan Clarke, 6, #249 of 1497 🔗

The DM headlines become more farcical every day. The whole covid thing has descended into madness.

211771 tonyspurs, replying to tonyspurs, 16, #250 of 1497 🔗

This was posted on local FB group, after my not so friendly comments I was booted off the group ,I’ve been trying politely to get them to research for themselves and question the narrative for months to no avail but this was the final straw,a few more friends and neighbours I don’t have worry about added tothe ever increasing list (manic laugh)

211793 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to tonyspurs, 19, #252 of 1497 🔗

Good grief.

Perhaps if they stopped getting tested , they wouldn’t be in lockdown.

211802 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Mabel Cow, 3, #253 of 1497 🔗

Great poster!

211831 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to tonyspurs, 3, #254 of 1497 🔗

Stop spreading the virus….what virus is that then?

211841 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to tonyspurs, 5, #255 of 1497 🔗

Left FB about a year ago..best decision of my life.

211901 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Thomas_E, 1, #256 of 1497 🔗

3 years for me. Never looked back.

212054 ▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to Thomas_E, 1, #257 of 1497 🔗

Me about a year ago. Agree, it feels like a weight has been lifted off your shoulders. I honestly don’t miss anything about it.

212569 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Thomas_E, 1, #258 of 1497 🔗

I now only use Facebook to post anti-lockdown cartoons, memes etc.

211904 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to tonyspurs, 8, #259 of 1497 🔗

Jesus wept.

Cue when this is over, they will go “I was against lockdown all along”

Then remind them that they were collaborators.

211940 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to tonyspurs, 3, #260 of 1497 🔗

You are fortune to no longer have these idiots in your life. And hopefully you will be able to switch off face book all together soon enough. Good luck. And be thankful. You tried to help, you failed. You can’t do anymore.

212681 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to tonyspurs, 1, #261 of 1497 🔗

77th Brigade. MW

211780 paulito, replying to paulito, 7, #263 of 1497 🔗

Hello all. Apologies if this has been posted already. This guy has started a trend of videos showing empty testing centres. He’s called on people to film their local centres at 1PM on Saturday.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lZQgkMEhsA

211807 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to paulito, 3, #264 of 1497 🔗

This is great. Empty test centres. Short so easy to watch

211827 ▶▶▶ paulito, replying to Victoria, 1, #265 of 1497 🔗

There are loads more on his Ministry of Dissent twitter account.

211817 ▶▶ annie, replying to paulito, 2, #266 of 1497 🔗

So where do all the terrifying false ‘cases’ come from?

211934 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to annie, 1, #267 of 1497 🔗

Apples

211932 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to paulito, 2, #268 of 1497 🔗

I can tell you now the one near me will be empty as it always is when I pass it.

212117 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Mr Dee, #269 of 1497 🔗

Yes, the drive-in test centre at Bidston Moss in the Wirral is always deserted, and has been for the last three weeks.

211799 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 10, #270 of 1497 🔗

I predict that SAGE’s prediction of a third CV wave will be worse than their prediction of a second CV wave.
Does that prediction qualify me as a scientist?
Giz us a job. Go on. Giz it.

211815 ▶▶ annie, replying to PatrickF, 7, #271 of 1497 🔗

It doesn’t qualify you as a scientist, but it does qualify you as the sort of flapping gob that Wancock adores.
Your fortune is made!

211899 ▶▶ mjr, replying to PatrickF, 1, #272 of 1497 🔗

only if you look like Graham Souness

211924 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to PatrickF, 4, #273 of 1497 🔗

It’s odd is it not how they keep on about waves, when that’s not how virus work…..oh but look at 1918 and Spanish flu and the deadly second wave, which was not a second wave at all.

If ( IF ) there is a wave it’s because someone built a dam ( lockdown ) and when the dam was knocked down, even to a degree, the water flowed again. The intervention is the reason for the waving effect. Fact.

211803 Lucan Grey, replying to Lucan Grey, 3, #274 of 1497 🔗

Now the vaccine may not prevent infection.

So why are we doing all this again?

211814 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Lucan Grey, 5, #275 of 1497 🔗

It’s part of this:
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/10/28/the-great-reset.aspx?cid_source=dnl&cid_medium=email&cid_content=art1HL&cid=20201028Z1&mid=DM692956&rid=997955403

‘Covid 19 is a false flag to reset the world’

‘The Great Reset not only ties you to it through an electronic ID linked to your bank account and health records, but even gives you a “social credit” ID that can run every facet of your life.’

211830 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Carrie, 6, #276 of 1497 🔗

Great link Carrie

  • While the COVID-19 pandemic is being used as a justification for the Great Reset movement, the agenda has nothing to do with health and everything to do with a long-term plan to monitor and control the world through digital surveillance and artificial intelligence
  • The Great Reset and the Fourth Industrial Revolution are rebranded terms for technocracy and the old “New World Order” melded with the transhumanist movement
  • Technocracy is an economic system of resource allocation that revolves around technology — in particular artificial intelligence, digital surveillance and Big Data collection — and the digitization of industry and government, which in turn allows for the automation of social engineering and social rule, thereby doing away with the need for democratically elected leadership
  • While the real plan is to usher in a tech-driven dystopia free of democratic controls, they speak of this plan as a way to bring us back into harmony with nature
212622 ▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Victoria, 3, #277 of 1497 🔗

None of this is in ‘ harmony with nature’. What these control freaks do not understand is the unpredictability and indifference this ‘ nature ‘ has for the human species.

211840 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Carrie, 14, #278 of 1497 🔗

One of the comments to this article by Darzoum

For months now, we’ve all added our stories, findings and insights about the glaring inconsistencies behind the “science” of the “pandemic.” In an era of real journalism, any one of those revelations would have been blockbuster “Watergate level” news to bring the entire facade crashing down. But expose whatever you will about PCR tests, Anthony Fauci, hydroxychloroquine/zinc, Neil Ferguson, sending COVID patients into old age homes, vitamin D, masks, gain of function, mRNA vaccines, Moderna, ventilators, Google, censorship, conflicts of interest, etc, nothing changes.

Go outside and people are still socially distancing and wearing masks that barely conceal their fright. Media shills are still announcing the 2nd wave with eager anticipation. No matter what actual science is presented to refute the official narrative, nothing changes because this is not about science or a virus. That’s not the issue; if it were, these extreme, unproven measures would have already been over. The agenda is the Great Reset, Technocracy, Transhumanism, the Fourth Industrial Revolution, the New World Order or whatever else you care to call it. It’s an agenda with long roots.

It’s hitched a ride on 9/11 and it’s hitching a ride on an invisible, non-isolated SARS-CoV-2 virus. It uses fear of a terrifying enemy to herd unsuspecting, gullible people no less than was done in Nazi Germany. The completely misplaced blind trust people still have in institutions of government and media—agents of control, propaganda & censorship—is all that is still keeping this going. That makes this a battle over minds, a battle of narrative with extremely high stakes. We have to keep speaking out—we need “truth warriors”—but we need to know what this is really about so can adjust our messages accordingly. Just attacking the virus narrative is important, but as has been demonstrated so far, it’s not enough.

211889 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Lucan Grey, 2, #279 of 1497 🔗

Nearly there now. Just tge afmission that the vaccine will cause infection and the complete set of admissions will be in.

211917 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Lucan Grey, 3, #280 of 1497 🔗

Why are we doing this ? I have 3 reasons.

Protection of G20 countries all of whom have acted the same way, and all are committed to the same commercial outcomes.

Protection of Boris Johnson, who has acted the tool throughout, while also by stealth destroying our Parliamentary system.

Protection of capitalism, which is going to profit to a massive amount due to “building back better” across the world. I.E forced western investment in poor countries.

Why are they doing this to us ? Because we do not matter a single shit to anyone of them.

211805 Pancho the Grey, 10, #281 of 1497 🔗

“Being seriously ill enough from the infection to need hospital admission can sadly lead to more Covid-related deaths.”
Well, yes, we know that hospitals are one of the main sources of infection, but it is nice to see SAGE admit it.

211821 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 6, #282 of 1497 🔗

It is staggering that it is October and Prof Ward can still assert, largely unchallenged by journalists and politicians, that 95% of the country are susceptible. How is it that the lead researcher of a key Government antibody survey is still in the dark about long-lasting and pre-existing T-cell immunity

Indeed how can you become a professor if you are this stupid?

 Most contributors on LS know about T-cell immunity

211829 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Victoria, 5, #283 of 1497 🔗

He’s not stupid. He is merely disingenuous in what he says.

211848 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Charlie Blue, #284 of 1497 🔗

I suspect you may be guilty of misgendering the professor, but these days, who knows?

211861 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #285 of 1497 🔗

I apologize to her. I was confusing her with Prof Elliott.

211838 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Victoria, 6, #286 of 1497 🔗

Sage wanted a certain thing to happen on 10 September. Since then they have had a relentless media drive to ensure that what they said needs to be proven true. It’s political.

211824 RickH, replying to RickH, 2, #287 of 1497 🔗

Deaths in England and Wales were significantly above average for the first time since the late spring,”

Depends which average, and by how much, and for how long.

211930 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to RickH, #288 of 1497 🔗

Above the average for the corresponding week in the previous five years, for that one week.

212012 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to mattghg, 1, #289 of 1497 🔗

A week is too short a period for a year-to-year comparison to be meaningful. A month is more reasonable though still liable to be affected by statistical fluctuations.

212186 ▶▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Edward, #290 of 1497 🔗

Well… yes… but. Rick H also asked “by how much”, and the answer to that is “more than two standard deviations”. So it could be noise, but nevertheless merits being called “significant”.

212220 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to mattghg, #291 of 1497 🔗

nevertheless merits being called “significant”

No it doesn’t. That’s the point. It’s a meaningless calculation to cite the sd for one week over time.

212216 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to mattghg, #292 of 1497 🔗

I know that. Which is my point : a wider historical comparison gives a very different picture.

211825 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 5, #293 of 1497 🔗

I believe in Berlin they had introduced mandatory face covering wearing on certain streets from Monday.
A video from YT channel AnnieundMartin (v good independent journalists since the beginning, producing lots of coverage).
The police officers stand around reminding people to wear a face covering.
I think that would prompt me to find a way to withhold tax.

211835 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Silke David, 11, #294 of 1497 🔗

They did what ???? In Berlin ??? Wow if any city should know better……

211890 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Leemc23, 6, #295 of 1497 🔗

Berlin are putting up serious resistance as well and yet they are increasing restrictions. This is seriously concerning.

211903 ▶▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to JHuntz, 6, #296 of 1497 🔗

Yes. That is impossible to comprehend. I was in Berlin in August / September (including the Rally day – I did not attend by the way ) and found that masks were the only sign of any issue at all, and and that was indoor spaces only. To force wearing of masks outside makes no scientific or logical sense.

211828 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 39, #297 of 1497 🔗

Just listened to Lord Sumption’s speech and I think this should be played on the loop in all government buildings and in public spaces. Should hopefully wake more people up.

Again would like to thank the fabulous people here who replied to my two posts yesterday. It’s the likes of you that keep me going and keeping up the good fight even though I’m alone in my work.

Have just finished Tolstoy’s War and Peace and this line in his epilogue rings true especially now:

To imagine a man without freedom is impossible except as a man deprived of life.

Let’s keep on fighting.

212010 ▶▶ alw, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #298 of 1497 🔗

It was brilliant. Has made my day.
https://youtu.be/amDv2gk8aa0

212023 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #299 of 1497 🔗

War and Peace is on my “to-read” list and has been for years (!). I’m currently reading North and South by Elizabeth Gaskell, and often there’s a line which reminds me of present times – example from chapter 27, “When trade is bad, there’s more undermining of health”.

213164 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Edward, 1, #300 of 1497 🔗

Thanks for the reminder – North and South is on my bucket list to read.

Tried to read War and Peace years ago and gave up but this wretched lockdown has given me the motivation to finally read it.

212044 ▶▶ Jenny, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #301 of 1497 🔗

He was brilliant. Watched it twice. Thinking of telling juniors at work to watch it as part of training. Nothing to do with practice area but THIS is a great lawyer in action! Thorough, dispassionate and leaving no stone unturned. The best!

212096 ▶▶ kf99, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #302 of 1497 🔗

“The principal of legality: fundamental rights cannot be overridden by general or ambiguous words…because the full implications of their meaning… may have passed unnoticed in the democratic process”

That bit just about holes the Government below the waterline. Surely it’s even worse for the devolved leaders – fundamental rights are not devolved

211843 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #303 of 1497 🔗

In 2020 there have been so many rare and unusual planetary alignments. In so many ways these are being reflected in our lives, in the world and on every level.
 This Full Moon is in the Aries / Libra axis and the sign of Aries represents the self and beginnings and Libra is the reflection of ourselves and relationships with others. So this is an opportunity to be more aware about what serves us and others best and to be discerning, but not judgemental.

https://oraclelife.co.uk/2020/10/28/halloween-full-moon/?fbclid=IwAR3e0MSz2GxOD7-424W1kKRK_U_IvS5Uh7nYPNuGIRHfF7xyWDe9XOcIR2M

212082 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #304 of 1497 🔗

Astrology? Seriously?

212161 ▶▶▶ watashi, replying to Ceriain, #305 of 1497 🔗

why not? it`s all connected

213145 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Ceriain, #306 of 1497 🔗

You’ve not read Isaac Newton on the subject, have you Ceriain ?

212626 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Cheezilla, #307 of 1497 🔗

Do not forget ‘ The Kali Yuga’ 2025

211844 PatrickF, 11, #308 of 1497 🔗

Dear Sheeple of Tunbridge Wells,
I noticed many of you wearing masks yesterday, outside and in the rain. Have your masks dried out yet? Is rain a virus?

211845 John Galt, 18, #309 of 1497 🔗

Since March, I’ve been taking screenshots and keeping a folder full of corona related images, predictions and headlines.

The below is from the 27th of March, and very prescient:

The question was “what’s the end game with all this?” Their answer:

erosion of rights. many of the regulations put in place will never be lifted. they want us to get adjusted to have a specific reason for being out and about, and having the police always around us, asking questions. they want to destroy small, “unregistered” businesses in favor of big soulless companies with virus fear mongering. they want to destroy even the strongest of rural communities with forced distancing and masks that hide facial traits. its one of their moves in this chess game that we are losing, and most of us dont even realize that the game has started.

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211852 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 3, #310 of 1497 🔗

https://twitter.com/Covid19Crusher/status/1321349909526814723 “The stark contrast in Covid-19 daily death trends between Europe and the USA. The latter has let the virus run much more during the summer, which is proving usefully protective now. (log-scale => vertical distances represents growth rate, not absolute numbers)

212226 ▶▶ djaustin, replying to swedenborg, #311 of 1497 🔗

On a log-scale the vertical difference is the ratio. Slope of the curve is growth rate. US is stable. Area under curve is total deaths. US is winning 🙁 (200k and about 1/3 of the 2018 influenza pandemic).

211853 Victoria, 3, #312 of 1497 🔗

Facebook, Google spent $700 million to “buy off the press”
https://www.clearnewswire.com/469381.html

211854 annie, replying to annie, 1, #313 of 1497 🔗

Going to try and post a pic. May not work

211867 ▶▶ annie, replying to annie, 14, #314 of 1497 🔗

Didn’t But never mind, I can give you the gist.
It’s a notice outside a pub in Saundersfoot called The Captain’s Table. Used to be quite decent. I shall never, never, never go near it again.

WELCOME BACK

  • On arrival please queue here and wait to be seated.
  • On arrival please use the sanitiser and avoid any contact with others not in your group.
  • Take a ticket on arrival and wait for your number to be displayed. You may then enter the premises.
  • Observe the signage about moving around the premises, for example, queuing, keeping left in the corridors. and using entry and exit points.
  • Once at the bar please stand at the designated floor markings.
  • Please keep children seated and supervise them during any toilet visits.
  • Anyone who fails to comply with these measures will be asked to leave.

The nappy notice comes separately.

And people were actually going into this shithole!

Until Dripfeed closed it, that is.

211876 ▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to annie, 3, #315 of 1497 🔗

If you have this image on you local computer, try uploading your image to a free image hosting site (e.g. https://postimages.org/ ) and when you’ve uploaded it, get the link (with the image extension, i.e. ..postimages..com/shfiusghf/image .png – might be jpeg or gif or whatever) and just try to paste that link into your post, that’s what I did.

Is it is already a link from the internet (and has the correct extension) you should just be able to paste it.
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212348 ▶▶▶ chris c, replying to annie, #316 of 1497 🔗

I used to love Saundersfoot, it was even cuter than Tenby. Won’t be going back any time soon, or ever.

211873 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to annie, #317 of 1497 🔗

You must be signed in (see your name top right of screen) to post a pic – you will then see section highlighted in orange on the bottom right of the box.

211856 RickH, replying to RickH, 6, #318 of 1497 🔗

I thought that the following extract from minutes of a committee meeting are interesting.

Obviously, I have anonymised the text – but I guess it’s a fairly typical representation of what is happening in groups that are striving to function at the moment.

I’m posting it to show what compliance actually means – how embedded it is. These are people who are mostly well out of any Covid ‘danger zone’, who are pretty intelligent and who, by and large are a mixed variety of really friendly, sociable individuals. If the message should get through, one would it expect it here.

But ….

What is obvious is, as I’ve mentioned before, that simply shouting and bawling at them for their stupidity isn’t going to make a blind bit of difference. We are up against serious brainwashing :

“X mentioned [someone] got up and looked at the music on another’s stand, but as this is a momentary thing it shouldn’t matter too much.  Y is aware of two instances when people have gone into the [store ], and Z noted that A isn’t wearing his mask correctly all the time, but overall things are going okay and the membership should be praised for their efforts in helping us to get back going as smoothly as possible.  It was also mentioned about seating and how it is important for people to stick to the seating plan for track & trace, though, if needed, we also have visual evidence from the live stream of where people are sitting.”


211879 ▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to RickH, 10, #319 of 1497 🔗

Choirs are up there at the height of obsession. Many of the people in them are teachers and other public sector professionals who have been brainwashed by their unions. There is also the fact that music, and singing in particular, has been identified as an ultra high risk activity, with church and cathedral choirs, and other choral activities threatened with total oblivion.

Some choir directors and members are genuinely brainwashed and terrified. Others are trying to ‘keep the rules’ because they believe that they must to prevent the destruction of an activity and art form that they love.

211887 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Caroline Watson, 17, #320 of 1497 🔗

This is one of the saddest things to me. A world without music is not worth living in. And I don’t mean ad-free streaming on Spotify or solo contemplations in an empty Wigmore Hall. Or even Nick Cave’s fantastic solo meditation in Alexandra Palace. I mean people actually making music for an audience. It’s luvvie nonsense to a lot of people I suppose and to Vallance and Whitty it’s a luxury that can easily be done without. But I think it’s important and kind of glorious and if it’s lost forever I’ll never forgive the people who let it happen

211911 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 10, #321 of 1497 🔗

It us important and it is glorious and it will NOT be lost forever unless we let it be.
And we won’t.

212033 ▶▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to annie, 5, #322 of 1497 🔗

The Khmer Rouge in Cambodia tried to ban all cultural activities except militaristic displays, but I think even they (before being ousted) backed off a bit and the country’s traditional music was revived.

212056 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to Edward, 7, #323 of 1497 🔗

This is the total insanity of what is happening. Most woke/guardian readers are massively pro-lockdown. But lockdown is being imposed by a man they were all calling a fascist in February and who is the leader of a party they despise, and is causing the cancellation of music and singing, to degrees that only really the Taliban and the Khmer Rouge have ever attempted before. I thought woke/guardian readers liked ‘the arts’?

212201 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to kenadams, #324 of 1497 🔗

I thought woke/guardian readers liked ‘the arts’?

They like “woke” arts.

212209 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to kenadams, 1, #325 of 1497 🔗

Oh for f.k’s sake stop the brain-dead political generalisations and hobby-horse riding. It’s a mirror image of the idiocy of the Covid fanatics.

212589 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to RickH, 1, #326 of 1497 🔗

Sorry Rick I’m afraid its true. I am an ex leftist so should know!

213168 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Edward, #327 of 1497 🔗

Ditto their ballet. I think it helped that one of their leading dancers, a member of the Cambodian Royal Family was able to flee the country before all the crap happened. She kept the art alive by recruiting dancers from the Cambodian exile community in France and the US and training them.

212093 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #328 of 1497 🔗

Our choir leader resigned at the end of the summer term but she does her own small group lessons. I should be going for my first singing session face to face on Sunday morning since March.
I was really looking forward to it but after I signed up I realised that there will probably be masks and t&t involved. I haven’t received the information yet but it may well be that I have to let my place go to someone else. I miss choir more than anything – it was my weekly therapy. Not singing been severely detrimental for my mental health. I hope I can go.

212376 ▶▶▶▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to CGL, 3, #329 of 1497 🔗

I have totally refused to have anything to do with masks in a singing context. The idea of singing in one is absurd and wearing one before singing will affect the breathing, support and intonation. I am being a total diva about it! Fortunately I have the voice and skills for that to be tolerated because I am needed too much!!

213435 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Caroline Watson, #330 of 1497 🔗

Diva away!!! Mine was not serious – I was just in Rock Choir. I don’t read music and had never sung in a choir before, so it was a very welcoming and fun environment for me. When I started, it never occurred to me that I would sing in front of people, I just wanted to sing. However, the performances were absolutely brilliant – I even took part in the Edinburgh Fringe last year. And we recorded at Abbey Road Studios. I would never have believed I could have achieved these sorts of things. The local gigs were every bit as much fun. A big part of my life is now missing, and I dearly want it back.

212205 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #331 of 1497 🔗

I agree with your sentiments totally. Th impression I get is that individuals like Whitty and Vallance and that group of ‘scientists’ who parrot SAGE unwisdom are probably quite sad individuals inflicting their insecurities and neuroses on the population. They need to be put back in their box.

212549 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to RickH, 2, #332 of 1497 🔗

As Chesterton put it, ‘their doors are closed in the evenings, and they know no songs’.

212353 ▶▶▶▶ chris c, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #333 of 1497 🔗

Who else banned music? Was it the Taliban?

212552 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to chris c, 1, #334 of 1497 🔗

The puritans in the seventeenth century banned music in both religious and secular contexts, closed the theatres and also banned Christmas. Sounds familiar.

212916 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ chris c, replying to Cranmer, #335 of 1497 🔗

Good point!

Did they ban alcohol too? I feel that is coming

212362 ▶▶▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #336 of 1497 🔗

Absolutely. The English Choral Tradition has been my whole life. There are some wonderful examples of churches and musical directors who are trying to keep it going, including at our own Hexham Abbey, but the hierarchy of the Church of England would like to see it gone. Sheffield Cathedral Choir was summarily sacked several months ago – the ‘pandemic’ was used as an excuse to replace it with something more ‘inclusive’, although the Dean who took the decision has now resigned himself.

If ‘inclusive’ means teaching music properly in state schools so that children from all backgrounds can develop the skills to participate in professional choirs, then I am all for it. If it means replacing glorious Anglican music with happy clappy, dumbed-down dross, then I most certainly am not. And I grieve for Wales.

212555 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Caroline Watson, 2, #337 of 1497 🔗

I am a chorister with my local parish church. We were already struggling before Covid but still managed to do things like Choral Evensong with four choristers in part harmony and one of us taking the cantor’s part. I wonder if it will ever come back? According to my choirmaster there were elements in the church who wanted it gone anyway.

212705 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to Cranmer, #338 of 1497 🔗

We are doing octets in a rota, picked from three separate choirs. I’m actually rather enjoying it because it is more challenging; last week I sight read a whole service as one of only two altos! I’ve also done some solo cantor stuff.

We have two children’s choirs; boys and girls, and the challenge will be to keep them going when they don’t get to sing every week and there is no social element.

213438 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Cranmer, #339 of 1497 🔗

What horrible people!!!! WHY??? There is no more beautiful sound.

212199 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Caroline Watson, #340 of 1497 🔗

Caroline – don’t descend into hobby-horse generalisations. These are people from a wide range of backgrounds in private and public sector.. The brainwashing isn’t originating from ‘their unions’ – it’s a policy of the Tory government that is the driver.

212381 ▶▶▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to RickH, 2, #341 of 1497 🔗

Don’t agree. The totally over the top risk assessment for one of my choirs was entirely based on one from an education union. My own public sector organisation’s management is being pushed by the union to impose masks in the office. When I asked whether the union would support people with exemptions who were bullied I was told that it would prefer to re-educate them. Disability is not a fashionable Protected Characteristic and is being ignored.

There are people on the Left who are opposing this nonsense, but they are in the traditional working class Left, not the public sector unions.

212595 ▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Caroline Watson, #342 of 1497 🔗

I think thats correct the Left is a heterogeneous group as with all groups. We need to avoid falling out though and value everyone who is opposed to this ghastly policy….we all need each other. Views about Brexit or free school meals can wait until we have a functioning society again…at the moment its a dreadful world.

212438 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to RickH, 3, #343 of 1497 🔗

There’s really nothing more hobby-horsey than flailing the word Tory around. Starmer’s (or Corbyn’s!!) lot would have been a great deal more enthusiastic about inflicting hell on everyone, as Drakeford and Sturgeon make abundantly clear.

212544 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to RickH, 1, #344 of 1497 🔗

Thanks for this. Similar things are happening in the sporting club to which I belong. People who are probably in the top 5% of the population with regards to fitness, worrying about whether a PT instructor should wear a plastic shield on his face when instructing people doing exercises in a field.

211872 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 12, #345 of 1497 🔗

As noted on Lockdown Sceptics last week, admissions with respiratory infections always rise through October and November and go crazy in December.

THAT IS THE POINT. Everyone knows this will happen. So when it does, they’ll be ready to say “See? We told you! Look how many are flooding the hospitals! Close it all down!” And they will.
We’ve seen this strategy last year, with the Amazon fires. Despite the fires being less severe than in previous years, the media made everyone believe that it was an unprecedented disaster, unrivaled in living memory. It will be the same this year. A normal rise in respiratory infections will be elevated to the rank of Apocalypse by the media. 

211944 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 4, #346 of 1497 🔗

Exactly. Its funny how people have forgotten this and still keep bleating on that this is “unprecedented.” Not its not!

212533 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Bart Simpson, #347 of 1497 🔗

Sort of like the ‘WHITE HELL’ headlines beloved of papers like the Daily Express whenever we get a bit of snow in the winter.

211874 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 43, #348 of 1497 🔗

“Life is more than the avoidance of death”: Lord Jonathan Sumption.
What more needs to be said?

211875 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Fingerache Philip., 18, #349 of 1497 🔗

Someone said something similar on here yesterday – AG maybe? I paraphrase, but “It doesn’t matter how we die, it matters how we live”.

211877 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to leggy, 5, #350 of 1497 🔗

Well said.

211882 ▶▶ 2 pence, replying to Fingerache Philip., 10, #351 of 1497 🔗

Quam bene vivas refert non quam diu

“It is how well you live that matters, not how long.”

211915 ▶▶ John Galt, replying to Fingerache Philip., 15, #352 of 1497 🔗

“Life is more than the avoidance of a mild flu that you have a 99.9% chance of surviving.”

211948 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Fingerache Philip., 8, #353 of 1497 🔗

There was a bloke in America who said something similar to Lord S – “in our desire to avoid death, we have killed all life”

211878 StevieH, replying to StevieH, 22, #354 of 1497 🔗
211880 ▶▶ StevieH, replying to StevieH, 13, #355 of 1497 🔗

Nothing to see here! No conspiracy, no sirreee!

211883 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to StevieH, 6, #356 of 1497 🔗

Dead giveaway

211945 ▶▶▶ Ruth Sharpe, replying to Victoria, 5, #357 of 1497 🔗

In plain sight – not even hiding it.

211922 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to StevieH, 3, #358 of 1497 🔗

That bloody slogan. Bathe in Baby Batter.

211886 John Ballard, replying to John Ballard, 6, #359 of 1497 🔗

ONS stats…last 10 weeks….flu and pneumonia = 11102…..5 years average = 14583 so down 3481…..covid last 10 weeks = 2338 !!! Also says that if death mentions pneumonia and covid…..gets registered as covid !!!
Probably old news so apologies if so.

211894 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to John Ballard, 4, #360 of 1497 🔗

In the same way the tier system creates a perverse incentive for Councils and business men to ask for lockdown to access support measures, do hospitals get additional support for CV-19 numbers?

I know that’s the case in the US

So if you wanted to get more funding for your hospital why not just make flu Covid?

212080 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to John Ballard, 3, #361 of 1497 🔗

But I thought flu had disappeared? The liars.

Once again, dying of flu = hunkydory, dying of covid = worst thing ever.

211892 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 8, #362 of 1497 🔗

Police in Melbourne help a misguided citizen realise the error of his ways.

Back in the 60’s there was drive to recruit what was known as ‘the ten pound poms’ to help build Australia’s economy. My dad seriously considered this but for one reason or another we stayed in the UK. Best decision my dad ever made in light of the terrible dictatorship that now rules that awful place.

It has been said that a country built on the enslavement and servitude of poor people (who could be deported for stealing a loaf of bread) and had to survive on their wits, would always have a tendency to erupt into criminality. I think what current events have shown isn’t that the convicts were the problem but rather that the cruelty, sadism and bestiality of those who imprisoned and policed them was and is the heritage that now erupts into the inhuman behaviour as evidenced by the above headline.

The first convicts arrived in Australia in 1788 because Britain needed an alternative place to send its undesirables following the loss of the American colonies. It seems to me that after nearly 250 years, the Australian authorities are merely reverting to type.

211913 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Harry hopkins, 2, #363 of 1497 🔗

Mind you, if you walked about upside down all day, every day …. !

212645 ▶▶ Graham, replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #364 of 1497 🔗

Someone said, maybe here, that it’s not the descendants of the convicts you need to worry about, but the descendants of the warders sent out with them.

213087 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Victoria, 2, #366 of 1497 🔗

That last sentence is fantastic

211897 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 3, #367 of 1497 🔗

From The Telegraph live feed. Why does the MSM continue to be interested in what Ferguson has to say?

‘Professor Lockdown’ says Tier 2 and 3 measures ‘unlikely’ to work

Prof Neil Ferguson, the scientist whose modelling prompted the UK-wide lockdown in March, told the PA news agency that measures in Tier 2 and Tier 3 areas are “unlikely to cause daily cases and deaths to fall rapidly”.

He said that modelling suggests that this could leave the country with “high levels” of Covid cases, demand on health care and deaths “until spring 2021”.

Prof Ferguson, from Imperial College London, said: “The concern at the moment is that even if the measures adopted in Tier 2 and Tier 3 areas slow spread in the next few weeks, they are unlikely to cause daily cases and deaths to fall rapidly.

“Modelling from all the academic groups informing Sage suggests that this could leave the country with high levels of Covid circulation, healthcare demand and mortality for several months, at least until spring 2021.”

211912 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Tenchy, 8, #368 of 1497 🔗

Why does the MSM continue to be interested in what Ferguson has to say?
A more important question is: why does anything think modelling outcomes are evidence?

211959 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #369 of 1497 🔗

A very good question. Most people are scientifically illiterate and don’t understand that modelling is not evidence.

212090 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Tenchy, 1, #370 of 1497 🔗

“…modelling suggests…”

“Modelling from all the academic groups informing Sage suggests…”

Enough said!

212174 ▶▶ Jane G, replying to Tenchy, #371 of 1497 🔗

Here’s the reply I just received from the BBC complaints dept. Actually, I didn’t address the Complaints – just sent feedback.
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Thank you for sharing your concerns with us about Professor Neil Ferguson appearing as a contributor during our coverage of coronavirus.

We reported Professor Ferguson’s breach of lockdown when it happened and his subsequent resignation from his role as a government adviser. He was also closely questioned on the breach when he appeared on our output afterwards. As an eminent epidemiologist whose modelling of the virus was influential on the government’s lockdown policy at the start of the pandemic, we believe audiences appreciate Professor Ferguson’s expertise in this area and are able to assess his remarks fully in context when he is interviewed by BBC News.

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I could try and nobble them under Trades Descriptions or plain mendacity but I think they really believe their own codswallop.

212400 ▶▶▶ chris c, replying to Jane G, 1, #372 of 1497 🔗

Ferguson gives truth to the statement that ex means a has-been and spurt is a drip under pressure. He should have stuck to making tractors

Actually Harry Ferguson was a bit of an arsehole but he was also an excellent engineer, unlike Neil

211898 Keen Cook, replying to Keen Cook, 10, #373 of 1497 🔗

I completed the React Antibody test yesterday myself at home. It was fine to do – a pricked finger and drop of blood – and the result was easy to submit to the university (yes Imperial) and I took a photo of test strip to confirm my reading that I had no sign of the antibodies IgM “which don’t stay in the body very long” or IgG “which are usually longer lasting” therefore it was a negative result. There was a long survey to fill in which not only had questions about any illnesses/medications (now or in the past), smoking history if any and exposure to others who had had Covid (but not when). That part of the survey wasn’t as detailed as I thought it could have been. In fact, I had been on holiday in August with a family group and one had been mildly ill in April (from healthcare work) tested positive and had to be tested 3 times in the second week before she tested negative and went straight back to work (they rang her on the morning the -ve test came in and asked her to go back in right then!)

I live alone and pretty isolated in East Yorkshire (which has very few deaths and or infections) so it would have been very unlikely that I would have had any exposure to the virus even though I am out most days, shopping mostly to a big busy Sainsburys & village shops and work in a pretty outdoor environment (urban farm). I don’t wear a mask – never have never will – but have always washed my hands properly as I used to work in the food industry and it’s a good habit and important ….obviously! As a youngster I was always encouraged to anyway – a learnt behaviour.

I’ve posted this because I thought you might all be interested – and to illustrate the process that goes to the ‘falling immunity headlines’ as above – I don’t have what they were measuring. I was randomly selected out of the blue (NHS branded communications) and had to sign up online if I was interested. I was/am.

But thinking about this logically there would appear to be observational evidence that we are not all dying in vast numbers and sadly – and we all know this – it disproportionally affects certain parts of the population.

This must mean that something else is going on (as today Talk Radio) JHB interview and this points to the T cell immunity.

I simply don’t understand why those that rule the way we live (or try to) haven’t taken a step back and thought about it. It is a strange place to be.

211933 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Keen Cook, 9, #374 of 1497 🔗

First they overreacted and caused more harm than good with their lockdowns.
Now, they know excess deaths are coming due to the mothballing of the NHS for months.
In order to avoid blame for that, they will pin as many deaths as they can on COVID with their scam PCR test.

211997 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Keen Cook, 2, #375 of 1497 🔗

Why on earth would you participate in such a study?

212008 ▶▶▶ Keen Cook, replying to Victoria, 2, #376 of 1497 🔗

I was involved in running clinical trials as a job so was interested to see how it was run/set up – I made some comments on practicalities as a user!
I was genuinely interested to see if I had any anti-bodies that came up – I reckon I was definitely exposed earlier on in the year but have never had any symptoms so it wasn’t a surprise. I’ve enough of a science background to be curious I suppose.

212479 ▶▶▶ Keen Cook, replying to Victoria, #377 of 1497 🔗

Just to be clear – this wasn’t the PCR test using nasal swabs. This was an examination of a drop of blood looking for the presence of anti-bodies.

212019 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Keen Cook, 3, #378 of 1497 🔗

On this basis, we should have seen many already but if we do not see 10’s if not hundred’s of thousands of reinfections within the next month to 6 weeks they will have a lot to answer for. Without manipulating this (which is likely), how will they justify their claims?

211908 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 6, #379 of 1497 🔗

vit D is essential for effective T-cell immunity so…

No vit D = no T-cell immunity = high profits from vaccines

211993 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Major Panic, #380 of 1497 🔗

Great post

Improve your Immunity

212414 ▶▶▶ chris c, replying to Victoria, #381 of 1497 🔗

I suspect another factor may be the imbalance between omega 5 and omega 3. Both are essential, O3 is antiinflammatory, O6 is proinflammatory and we need both IN PROPORTION so our immune system works properly. We evolved on a ratio somewhere between 1:2 and 4:1 but current diets may be from 20:1 even up to 50:1. Possibly a factor in the increase of so many diseases especially autoimmune ones.

Stick to animal fats, especially grass-fed butter and cheese and fish, and fruit oils (coconut, olive etc) rather than seed oils

211910 stewart, 11, #382 of 1497 🔗

They are going to count all the people they’re murdering through the shut down of the NHS as COVID deaths. They are literally going to get away with murder.

211914 Phil Beckley, 9, #383 of 1497 🔗

SAGE seems to be driving the Government Caracas. Venezuela here we come.

Boris Johnson should heed the old folk saying: Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

211918 Barney McGrew, 9, #384 of 1497 🔗

Is it true that Andy Burnham (himself a leading member of some globalist organisation according to UK Column) has said that he wants to make up with Boris Johnson and reset things on a better footing’? I think these people are feeling pretty confident right now…

211919 Poppy, replying to Poppy, 16, #385 of 1497 🔗

Anyone else think it’s a big coincidence that the government and MSM are wheeling out the scaremongering the day before the Dolan legal challenge?

211955 ▶▶ John P, replying to Poppy, 4, #386 of 1497 🔗

Possibly, but I also thought that Lord Sumption’s recent lecture was well timed.

TBH I’ve not noticed the govt and MSM ever letting up on the scaremongering for a moment. We’ve had little else from them for seven months.

211991 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Poppy, 1, #387 of 1497 🔗

indeed

212074 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Poppy, 4, #388 of 1497 🔗

I think it’s partly because it’s half term. Can’t let the plebs relax too much. Also I’ve got a horrible feeling they might be setting the scene for happenings in the next week or two. Either a full lockdown or a bumping up of the tiers such that the current Tier 1 ceases to exist and a Tier 4 (or 3-plus, knowing the intellectual level of our government) is introduced. I don’t think any household mixing will be allowed in the run up to Christmas, it’s inevitable. But don’t worry it’s not lockdown because the government says so.

212521 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #389 of 1497 🔗

Yes, my guess is increased lockdowns but a relaxation on Christmas Day in order for Boris to ‘save Christmas’.

211920 annie, replying to annie, 11, #390 of 1497 🔗

Aha.

211926 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to annie, 5, #391 of 1497 🔗

Where is that? Please tie them down to the town or city – name and shame them.

211928 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Tenchy, 15, #392 of 1497 🔗

The Captain’s Table, Saundersfoot, Pembrokeshire, South Wales.
Aka the Saundersfoot Shithole.
And that’s without the nappy notice.

211927 ▶▶ Paul, replying to annie, 3, #393 of 1497 🔗

Another one to put on the list.

211931 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to annie, 7, #394 of 1497 🔗

Several of those sentences wouldn’t be out of place in the military.

211936 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to JHuntz, 9, #395 of 1497 🔗

Or in a prison.

211957 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to annie, 8, #396 of 1497 🔗

Blimey, I bet they’re fighting the punters off with a ‘welcome’ like that!

BID here getting their knickers in a twist because businesses in the town aren’t busy … 😉

212022 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to kh1485, 4, #397 of 1497 🔗

People were actually going there before the current Dripfeed shutdown.
Incredible, but true.

212075 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to annie, 2, #398 of 1497 🔗

Good gawd!! if I read that I would turn straight round, after letting them know “no way jose”.

212101 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to annie, 2, #399 of 1497 🔗

Well done, Annie you got there.

Welcome Back? I’d have read that, then shouted through the door, “Shove your Welcome Back up your arse!”

211925 John Galt, 11, #400 of 1497 🔗

“A submissive sheep is a find for a wolf.” – Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn .

211935 GCarty80, replying to GCarty80, -27, #401 of 1497 🔗

Isn’t the key to successful suppression of Covid-19 the detainment of all infected people (including asymptomatics) in centralized quarantine facilities ?

Countries in East Asia and Australasia were willing to do this (and thus beat the virus) while countries in Europe and the Americas were not (and have failed as a result). Perhaps the libertarian instincts that have hurt Western countries so much, were burnt out of East Asia by their brushes with two really nasty coronaviruses (SARS and MERS) — certainly South Korea’s current panopticon state was made possible by the abolition of privacy protections after the 2015 MERS outbreak.

It is also notable that even the harsh lockdown in Wuhan only reduced R from 3.9 to 1.3: it took centralized quarantine to reduce it to 0.3 (and thus stop the virus).

211938 ▶▶ Julian, replying to GCarty80, 13, #402 of 1497 🔗

So if we go by the tests currently being done, we’d be detaining 15,000 people a day.

Can anyone see a problem with this approach?

212016 ▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to Julian, -4, #403 of 1497 🔗

The original blog poster I referenced argued that any leader who eradicated Covid in their country would be wildly popular no matter how authoritarian the policies used to achieve that result were: perhaps it really is a difference in values?

212062 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to GCarty80, 3, #404 of 1497 🔗

If like New Zealand you try for zero covid does that not leave your country open to future infection and thus mean that country is in a constant state of anxiety and tension lest the disease re-appears? In my view, given that around 84% of Covid deaths are aged over 70 it would seem a better approach to focus public health policies on the elderly. This does not need to be done by laws and dictat, most vulnerable people are keen to follow guidance and all it needs is guidance, support and facilities; all on a voluntary and community basis.

If you take that approach not only have you mitigated the effects of the virus but you leave your country able to be a full player in world affairs without have to worry lest a Covid carrier arrives on your shore.

212071 ▶▶▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #405 of 1497 🔗

My thinking was that a zero-covid country would be very vulnerable to attack by criminals, who would either threaten to release the virus in order to extort money from the government, or would actually release the virus in order to force another lockdown and thus profit by shorting the stock market.

But then again, why hasn’t anyone carried out such an attack with any other infectious disease?

212425 ▶▶▶▶▶ chris c, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #406 of 1497 🔗

You are far too sensible to exist. Please kindly shoot yourself. Signed, SAGE and the government (and the opposition)

211939 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to GCarty80, 20, #407 of 1497 🔗

Why would you want to sacrifice centuries of hard-won liberty to “suppress” a virus with a 0.3% lethality rate?

211947 ▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, -4, #408 of 1497 🔗

Quote from the first link above:

Excuse #2: bullshit about culture

I’m told that there is general understanding within Germany that Taiwan and South Korea are doing far better. However, people keep making up cultural reasons why Europe can’t have what East and Southeast Asia have. This excuse unfortunately is not restricted to people who are totally unaware: a few months ago, Michel Bauwens, a Belgian degrowth advocate who lives in Thailand, talked up Thailand’s corona suppression, but attributed it to a communitarian, collectivist culture. The Thais are mass-protesting their autocratic government’s state of emergency (while wearing masks, unlike Western anti-regime protesters); what collectivism? The actual policy differences – mandatory centralized quarantine for people who test positive, mask wearing mandates – were not mentioned.

When I bring up the necessity of centralized quarantine, and even the fact that Israel used corona hotels to nearly eradicate the virus in the first wave (the second wave came from mass abandonment of social distancing – MPG is right about multi-pronged strategies), Europeans and Americans keep making a “but freedom” line. It’s strange. Yes, Thailand is autocratic. But Taiwan and South Korea are not – and they had authoritarian governments within living memory, and both are currently run by political parties that emerged out of democratic opposition to autocracy in the 1980s and 90s, and that far from becoming autocrats themselves, ceded power peacefully when they lost reelection in the past.

211954 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to GCarty80, 6, #409 of 1497 🔗

So you find the desire for freedom strange?

Anyway, it’s a sledgehammer to crack a nut.

One day we may come up with ways to suppress covid – but for now there is no way to do it that stands up to even a cursory cost benefit analysis

Even if you somehow now decide that living in fear forever in order to avoid death at all costs is what you want to do, it’s not going to work because you might possibly prevent covid deaths but then people die more of lots of other things.

211998 ▶▶▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to Julian, -1, #410 of 1497 🔗

Personally I’m on this thread to play “devil’s advocate”, but I’m wondering if we are feeling in much the same way that pious Ottoman Muslims must have felt when they saw their own civilization mired in stagnation while the Western infidels were streaking ahead into the industrial age.

211966 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to GCarty80, 2, #411 of 1497 🔗

See the post I just made

211972 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to GCarty80, 5, #412 of 1497 🔗

I don’t care what the Thai government tells the WHO. Whatever they say they are merely trying to save face. The Thais hate their government, hate their ridiculous king and hate the fact that their borders are closed and their economy is being destroyed. They wear masks on the demos to hide their faces from the government’s cameras.

211984 ▶▶▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #413 of 1497 🔗

So they wear masks more for the reason that BLM protesters do in the US, not because of the virus?

211987 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to GCarty80, 4, #414 of 1497 🔗

Yes

211956 ▶▶ Helen, replying to GCarty80, 1, #415 of 1497 🔗

With respect GCarty, the virus was not isolated prior to manufacture of the PCR test .. read this paper

https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2020.25.3.2000045#html_fulltext

The PCR test the basis from which all data, measures, rights relinquished, economies decimated, all lockdown and fear induced deaths (in ICUs worldwide) has been concocted by a German scientist..Christian Drosten and his co-conspirators ..if you don’t believe me then please read this twitter thread

https://twitter.com/Bobby_Network/status/1321188173913927680

212024 ▶▶▶ StevieH, replying to Helen, #416 of 1497 🔗

..

212037 ▶▶▶ StevieH, replying to Helen, 1, #417 of 1497 🔗

From the Nobel Prize site:

An organism\’s genome is stored inside DNA molecules, but analyzing this genetic information requires quite a large amount of DNA. In 1985, Kary Mullis invented the process known as polymerase chain reaction (PCR), in which a small amount of DNA can be copied in large quantities over a short period of time. By applying heat, the DNA molecule\’s two strands are separated and the DNA building blocks that have been added are bonded to each strand. With the help of the enzyme DNA polymerase, new DNA chains are formed and the process can then be repeated. PCR has been of major importance in both medical research and forensic science.

For this, Mullis shared the Nobel prize for chemistry in 1993.

212057 ▶▶▶▶ Jonny S., replying to StevieH, #418 of 1497 🔗

It is my understanding that American biochemist Kary Mullis, now deceased, who won the Nobel Prize in chemistry for creating PCR technology, repeatedly stated throughout his career that it should not be used to test for viruses. The technology is designed to replicate DNA sequences, not test for coronavirus infections.
It was Christian Drosten who took this technology and created a flawed test from it.

211960 ▶▶ Julian, replying to GCarty80, 5, #419 of 1497 🔗

I simply don’t believe the Chinese have stopped the virus. It’s utterly implausible that a virus that has spread around the world has not spread in China.

211977 ▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to Julian, -1, #420 of 1497 🔗

I’d find it hard to believe too if it weren’t for the other East Asian successes.

212007 ▶▶▶▶ Helen, replying to GCarty80, 2, #421 of 1497 🔗

The evidence that the PCR test does not identify +ive or indeed -ive infections for this virus is presented in the twitter thread I link to above.

Its over 100 tweets but all documentary evidence is included. Its a must read for people who seek truth and for me its a riveting real -life & – time unfolding detective series.

212083 ▶▶▶▶ Foxglove, replying to GCarty80, 9, #422 of 1497 🔗

If we stopped testing every man and his dog we would find that the virus has gone from here too. The ‘pandemic’ ended in May, the rest is theatre.

212185 ▶▶▶▶▶ watashi, replying to Foxglove, 1, #423 of 1497 🔗

hear hear

213100 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Watt, replying to watashi, #424 of 1497 🔗

snap!

211962 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to GCarty80, 7, #425 of 1497 🔗

I’d also like to lay some ghosts in regard to Thailand, where I am living. It’s held up as something of a poster child because it introduced a very early lockdown/ curfew and has only relaxed restrictions very gradually and the borders are still closed. There is no Covid here.
However. People here are very used to obeying the appearance of the law. Masks are worn to ward off the evil eye of the guards but taken off immediately people get into familiar settings, food stalls, for example. My taxi driver the other day took off his mask to cough into his hand. By rights, if households are the primary theatres of infection, Thailand should be done for. But there’s nothing.
Possible explanations – heat and humidity; vitamin D (although plenty of people here are nocturnal and there’s no difference there); CROSS-IMMUNITY FROM SARS and the many other random coughathons that are part and parcel of life here.
What is certain is that the government’s fatuous lockdown and social distancing policies make no difference because in real Thai life when no one is looking, nobody takes a blind bit of notice of them.

211978 ▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, -6, #426 of 1497 🔗

I doubt that cross-immunity from other coronaviruses is the explanation, as SARS and MERS didn’t infect enough people, and the “common cold” coronaviruses aren’t (AFAIK) confined only to the Asia/Pacific region.

211986 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to GCarty80, 7, #427 of 1497 🔗

I’ve had some very uncommon colds in Thailand. But I suspect that engaging with you is a waste of my evening so I shall instead go for an unmasked walk along the beach, among the almost entirely unmasked populace.

212104 ▶▶▶▶▶ Commander Jameson, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #428 of 1497 🔗

I travel to the far east a lot (or did before this shit, mostly Japan, Hong Kong, Taiwan), and you do get some symptomatically very different things than you are used to in the west.

212188 ▶▶▶▶▶ watashi, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #429 of 1497 🔗

sounds heavenly! enjoy

212510 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to watashi, #430 of 1497 🔗

it is.

212181 ▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #431 of 1497 🔗

Indeed: you can’t make a suppression strategy (whether lockdown or test-and-trace) actually work unless you close the borders. I thus find it strange that Remainers tend to be lockdown zealots while Brexiteers tend to be sceptics, as it would be more logical if it were the other way around.

213163 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to GCarty80, #432 of 1497 🔗

Are you working this evening, GC, or just a bit thick ?

212004 ▶▶ Mark, replying to GCarty80, 8, #433 of 1497 🔗

Isn’t the key to successful suppression of Covid-19 the detainment of all infected people (including asymptomatics) in centralized quarantine facilities?

A question that completely misses the point.

The point being that only a functional idiot would want to try to “suppress covid19”, since it is just not a dangerous virus on a societal level (unless we make it so by the kind of hysterical over-reactions we are seeing in most places). Sadly fear is infectious, and makes functional idiots out of too many of the most intelligent and highly trained among us.

Your question amounts to “should I use this brand of flamethrower to kill the wasp that’s buzzing around in my front room?”

212018 ▶▶ annie, replying to GCarty80, 4, #434 of 1497 🔗

You cannot be serious.
Or if you are, it’s you that needs locking up.

212035 ▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to annie, #435 of 1497 🔗

The author of the blog comment I linked to has a Twitter thread here — if you’re on Twitter you may be interested in commenting yourself?

And my reaction when reading his stuff was “this turns my stomach, but what if he’s right ??”

(CITOKATE after all…)

212051 ▶▶ Commander Jameson, replying to GCarty80, 1, #436 of 1497 🔗

If we’d caught it when there were a half-dozen easily identifiable people who had it and none other, this might have worked. There is no prospect of it working now.

This is quite apart from the fact that we know a number of animals are susceptible, so there will be a global animal reservoir of it out there now, for it to survive and evolve in. Most animals generate annually or more often, so there is far more population turnover to keep the virus alive even when immunity develops.

This will be with us for some time, decades at least, probably centuries. Locking everyone up indefinitely is not only too high a price to pay, it almost certainly won’t work.

212060 ▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to Commander Jameson, 1, #437 of 1497 🔗

That’s how Taiwan was so successful: their spies in Wuhan alerted them that the CCP was lying about no human-to-human transmission, and they slammed their doors shut before the end of January (because unlike many other countries, they didn’t have to worry about angering China as they knew China already saw them as an enemy).

212115 ▶▶▶▶ Commander Jameson, replying to GCarty80, 1, #438 of 1497 🔗

And now the only way of entering Taiwan or any of the other prison camp islands is a 14 day quarantine, because that is the only way to keep it out.

Unfortunately, this isn’t a way to run a civilised planet though, and those places that avoided it first time around now have to either wait until there is an effective vaccine, or accept the inevitable. Or, alternatively, eliminate all contact with the rest of the planet forever.

212240 ▶▶▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to Commander Jameson, 1, #439 of 1497 🔗

The logic of the zero-covid position is that you can’t abolish border quarantine (something which kills almost all tourism) not until there’s a vaccine, but until the virus is eradicated worldwide (something which we’ve only done with one virus, 184 years after the first vaccination for it).

I’ve tried to make that point on Twitter…

212061 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to GCarty80, 3, #440 of 1497 🔗

It’s so widespread in the UK and many other countries now, you’d have to test everyone in the population every single day to catch all the “cases” i.e. positive tests. Half of society would require quarantining at any one time. Supply chains would be disrupted, hopsitals would be devoid of staff, electricity gas and water services would be unable to continue. There would be rioting and raiding to get supplies, people would be dying in droves. Not very practical is it?

That kind of approach might work for a deadly and slow spreading disease such as Ebola, but it’s ridiculous for something that spreads in the same way as seasonal flu and for most people is no more deadly.

212107 ▶▶ leggy, replying to GCarty80, 4, #441 of 1497 🔗

You’re either a troll, completely insane, or both.

212142 ▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to leggy, 1, #442 of 1497 🔗

More like a devil’s advocate actually.

212113 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to GCarty80, 2, #443 of 1497 🔗

Define “infected” because PCR tests don’t indicate infection.

211937 Helen, 3, #444 of 1497 🔗

PCR GATE
Who done it and how they done it?

All the documentary evidence presented in front of our very eyes!

Without this key-to-the-gate-of-massive-deception there could be no lockdown.

Information from the Corona Ausschuss Dr Reiner Füllmich team and Bobby Rajesh Malhotra’s own research.
Bobby Rajes h Malhotra on Twitter

“The purpose is to make the knowledge available in English-language ,extend those infos with essential archive-links & my own resesarch.I’m trying to make this meta-analysis of the wasp nest accessible to as many people as possible,so they can “connect the dots” on their own.”

https://twitter.com/Bobby_Network/status/1321188173913927680

Even if you don’t like reading twitter threads, which I normally don’t, this one is not be missed.

211941 NorthumbrianNomad, 11, #445 of 1497 🔗

Let Life Rip!

211943 Tking, replying to Tking, 10, #446 of 1497 🔗

I wondered how many on here were/are excluded from government help due to the lockdowns and how they are doing, I am not on facebook so cant look on there, and everyone I know seems to be happily working from home, or in a trade and going along as normal. I am starting to worry about being out of work again, even though I am in a Tier 1 area currently, it looks like they will want to lock us all down again for the supposed 2nd wave in which case as someone doing a close contact self employed job like me, I will be living on savings. It’s a horrible way to live as I feel I am working now just to save up money for when I am not allowed to work again.

211968 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Tking, 4, #447 of 1497 🔗

I’m in the same situation, though I was fortunate to be eligible for the self-employed grant which at least paid the rent and covered some overheads. I had 6 mths with no work at all – I can’t do most of my job remotely. I fear the re-run too. We’ve just got to hold tight, stay positive and fight back at every opportunity.

212095 ▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to Charlie Blue, 6, #448 of 1497 🔗

I’m a civil servant and my wife works for a bank. Both our jobs are as safe as any can be. But I am incredibly angry at what is happening and at the destruction of millions of other people’s livelihoods.

One of the biggest eye openers of this whole thing has been how the majority of people don’t seem to give a monkeys as long as they are all right jack.

212112 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to kenadams, 1, #449 of 1497 🔗

Completely.
We are not entirely safe but not as close as most are to the edge. That doesn’t mean I stick my head in the sand.

212328 ▶▶▶ rose, replying to Charlie Blue, #450 of 1497 🔗

News of new self employed grant on gov.uk. Will pay 2/5 of earnings for 3 months.
This will not save me or many other self employed who have had their businesses wrecked by lockdowns and scaremongering.

212015 ▶▶ Brian ‘Monty’ Cohen, replying to Tking, 13, #451 of 1497 🔗

I totally sympathise. I’m a freelance opera singer and this year was shaping up to be a good one with contracts in Cologne, Glyndebourne and Covent Garden. Everything was cancelled and I’m ineligible for government assistance. Currently
I’m in Zurich eight days into a ten day quarantine (and a fine of CHF10,000 if caught breaking it) before I’m allowed to start rehearsals for five performances at the end of November and early December. I’m in a surreal state of limbo as there’s supposed to be an impending Swiss government announcement which might impose immediate tighter restrictions that could put the kibosh on all live performances. If that indeed happens I will have earned nothing for over a year, and incurred significant living and travel expenses into the bargain. Luckily I have savings and my wife still works as a violin teacher, but there’s precious little in the diary for next year… I oscillate between feelings of anger, anxiety and sadness at the remorseless destruction of our culture and economy.

212034 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Brian ‘Monty’ Cohen, 11, #452 of 1497 🔗

Have courage. There is a great career ahead of you. Don’t let them choke you off.
When Boris et al. are hanged, us sceptics will book you for our celebratory concert in the Albert Hall.

212049 ▶▶▶▶ Brian ‘Monty’ Cohen, replying to annie, 5, #453 of 1497 🔗

Thank you Annie! – but I think most of my career is behind me! As Lee Trevino said: “The older I get the better I was…”

212396 ▶▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to Brian ‘Monty’ Cohen, 1, #454 of 1497 🔗

That’s so frustrating and sad. I have been studying singing seriously for ten years, after a break since university, with the idea of teaching it when I retire. I’m currently working on my piano skills which were very rusty. I do wonder, however, whether there is any point.

212616 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Brian ‘Monty’ Cohen, 2, #455 of 1497 🔗

Times were different during the real pandemic Spanish flu 1918. In the interesting Prokofiev diaries, he describes his time in the US mainly staying in New York and Chicago. There was no mentioning of Metropolitan Opera closed permanently or other cultural destructing events. Some performances were cancelled due to illness amongst the orchestra. There was no restrictions for Prokofiev travelling around the US for his piano recitals. 2020 and Cuomo is having restrictions for 95 % entering the state. And Spanish flu was more than ten times deadlier and targeting younger people.

212028 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Tking, 8, #456 of 1497 🔗

I run a travel business and have been running backwards since March. No grants, no furlough, no assistance personally or for the business. Things will get desperate soon. On that basis, another lockdown won’t affect me personally as things cannot get worse but it all stops people booking holidays and cancelling booked ones (each time they do, I lose more income, pay credit card fees when refunding etc.). I always had contingency/buffer in place to refund a certain amount of bookings but not 95% of those made in the last year.

211949 stewart, replying to stewart, 19, #457 of 1497 🔗

The architects of lockdowns – governments, the media – know that the shut down of the health services for months is going to result in many deaths.

They know a surge in deaths is coming, not from COVID but from NHS neglect.

With the PCR tests and their endless prediction of a second wave, they can pass off the wave of deaths from NHS neglect as COVID deaths, thereby washing themselves of the responsibility.

Nobody will be able to prove them wrong, and anybody who tries will be shouted down by… the media who are part responsible.

It is pure evil genius.

212058 ▶▶ GCarty80, replying to stewart, 7, #458 of 1497 🔗

I’m particularly flabbergasted at why the NHS was run so far below capacity during the summer when Covid cases were low. Wouldn’t that only make sense if they expected a Covid second wave would strike without warning?

(Which it wouldn’t if it was the result either of the general seasonality of respiratory viruses, or as a result of loosening restrictions: both of those would be very predictable…)

211950 Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 3, #459 of 1497 🔗

What’s next when the firebreak ends? A new set of national rules will be announced after the firebreak, Mr Miles said.
At today’s briefing, the Welsh Government’s Counsel General outlined how life will look after the short lockdown ends on 9 November.
“When we come out of this, our shops will re-open, people will go back to work, churches and places of worship will resume services,” he said.
“Bars and restaurants will serve customers, people will be able to exercise and train in gyms.”

Sounds great doesn’t it! The prisoners get their allowances back.

However – what does the Welsh government have up their sleeve for November 10?

“But new regulations will be laid out by the government to help us live with coronavirus while keeping it under control, he added.”

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-wales-54718390

212014 ▶▶ annie, replying to Mr Dee, 6, #460 of 1497 🔗

They can take their regulations and stuff them up their…

212482 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to annie, #461 of 1497 🔗

Or, to put it in the language of the saints and poets: ‘twll tin y regulations’

211953 Allen, replying to Allen, 21, #462 of 1497 🔗

The question isn’t “When are THEY going to learn?” , the question is, “When are YOU going to learn?”

At this point anyone who thinks THEY don’t know what they are doing and it’s just a matter of THEM looking at the evidence, or being honest, or admitting their mistakes etc…. anyone who is taking any of those positions or some variant of those positions is being dangerously naive.

What we have is a serious problem and it’s not “Covid.” What we have is an evil and greedy cartel of Big Pharma and Big Tech who are using fear of a mild virus to re-engineer society, where everyone will be injected w/ harmful neurotoxic chemicals that will, over time, erode their health.

We are entering into the next phase of this biological warfare and psychological operation they are running against humans. Now we have to be vigilant to stay out of fear and to protect our health and our immunity and those still in the matrix are going to start unraveling

Think “Covid” is fake or that it’s a deadly virus. Follow any rabbit hole you want or don’t but the end goal of all of this ends w/ a biometric passport and vaccine inside of you.

212053 ▶▶ John Galt, replying to Allen, 6, #463 of 1497 🔗

Yes, it’s very baffling reading comments on here saying “why can’t they understand the numbers!” and “everything is getting better, surely they’ll start easing off now?”

It’s nothing to do with the numbers. If you’re sceptical and haven’t realised that yet, you need to read a bit more into things.

211961 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 36, #464 of 1497 🔗

Went to the library to collect my audio CD and the very friendly assistant whom I know quite well ,told me how worried she is about the effects on children: how many will grow up thinking that masks, avoidance ,isolation and control are what constitute normality.

Before the madness took over,our library ran a regular reading and play session for very young children and their mums and dads; it was extremely popular and many of us regulars would watch and listen to the harmless and beneficial fun as we searched the shelves.

All now cancelled; no reading, singing or games and no respite for parents.

What a bloody awful way to run a society, when depriving young children of free playtime and reading sessions is deemed to be doing good for the greatest number, while eliminating the risks which are part of life.

These maniacs must be prosecuted.

211974 ▶▶ Schrodinger, replying to wendyk, 5, #465 of 1497 🔗

Meanwhile you have schools imposing this nonsense. In their words “No obvious downside”

https://www.tes.com/news/coronavirus-face-masks-why-all-pupils-wear-face-coverings-my-primary-school

211982 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Schrodinger, 7, #466 of 1497 🔗

Have they done a risk assessment?

212003 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Schrodinger, 6, #467 of 1497 🔗

There are some excellent sceptic comments. Loads of people describing the situation as child abuse.

212005 ▶▶▶ Foxglove, replying to Schrodinger, 5, #468 of 1497 🔗

I wouldn’t want these people anywhere near my children.

213170 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Schrodinger, #469 of 1497 🔗

Primary head Warren Harrison confirmed another factor was that five members of staff resigned at the start of summer, blaming Covid-19.

More likely to have been you, Wazza.

211963 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 5, #470 of 1497 🔗

Nicola admitting that we are all sick of it at her daily fear mongering briefing today.
Still….doesn’t stop her from pushing her shitty 5 tier policy, being announced tomorrow.

Nicola Sturgeon on Scotland’s new five-level restrictions
Speaking about Scotland’s new five-level system for restrictions, Nicola Sturgeon said formal confirmation of which levels would be applied to different local authority areas would be revealed on Thursday.
“Work to finalise these decisions will take place over the course of today and this evening,” the First Minister said.
She added: “The position we are in right now is really tough, and everyone is thoroughly sick of it.
“That has been the case for some time, but as the nights get darker, as we head into winter, and as our attention and thoughts turn to Christmas, I think that feeling becomes a heavier one for all of us.”
Speaking about the pandemic, she said: “We will get through it. I think that is the one thing we can be reasonably certain of.
“But the journey through it is, and will continue to be, really difficult for people.”

211980 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to AnotherSceptic, 8, #471 of 1497 🔗

Not quite so difficult if you’re earning well over £150,000 plus perks plus hubby’s earnings.

They’ll manage while the rest of us have to bite the Holyrood bullets.

212068 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to wendyk, 12, #472 of 1497 🔗

Not “earning”, but “being paid”. Big difference.
Like the gap between positive tests and cases

212076 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to steph, 4, #473 of 1497 🔗

Very true; I hadn’t thought of that.

211981 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to AnotherSceptic, 2, #474 of 1497 🔗

Excellent site here listing many of the crimes of Krankie and the Natzis.:
https://www.effiedeans.com/2020/10/the-more-fronts-she-is-having-to.html?m=1

212013 ▶▶ annie, replying to AnotherSceptic, 5, #475 of 1497 🔗

Thoroughly sick of her.

212030 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to annie, 3, #476 of 1497 🔗

Perhaps we should take advice from some Wicca practitioners to see whether they might have some vanishing/banishment spells to hand?

212133 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to AnotherSceptic, 7, #477 of 1497 🔗

Number of deaths in Scotland of individuals aged under 45 is: 21

These are deaths that occurred within 28 days of a positive test, of course, so not necessarily of Covid-19.

She needs a fucking slap!

212593 ▶▶ Jamie, replying to AnotherSceptic, 1, #478 of 1497 🔗

Nicola ‘you do 3 tiers, I’ll do 5’ Sturgeon?

213174 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to AnotherSceptic, 1, #479 of 1497 🔗

… but as the nights get darker, as we head into winter, and as our attention and thoughts turn to Christmas, I think that feeling becomes a heavier one for all of us.”

She’s evoking the darkness. Odd person.

211965 Old Normal, replying to Old Normal, 7, #480 of 1497 🔗

Sturgeon is citing the care home report saying it doesn’t have evidence that discharging positive people into care homes resulted in widespread outbreaks.

What if a only a few people died as a result rather than there being big outbreaks? Is that not a few too many?

And if it didn’t cause huge outbreaks even when people with the virus went into care homes and mixed with others who had comorbidities and weakened immune systems, what does that then say about either how infectious the virus is or the reliability of the positive results?

She can’t have it all ways.

211995 ▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to Old Normal, 11, #481 of 1497 🔗

One death too many or “could save just one life,” quickly gets turned on its head when ministers are responsible.

Someone can be fined for failing to wear a facemask while shopping on the spurious argument that they may be an asymptomatic carrier who may transmit the virus to somone else, who may in turn transmit the virus to a vulnerable person who perishes (potentially with an unspecified number of hops between). That person is a granny killer.

However, ministers and civil servants can discharge known carriers to nursing homes where they will come into contact (with no intervening steps) with vulnerable people who have died from Covid. This is, apparently, an unfortunate sequence of events with no evidence of culpability.

If politicians didn’t have double standards…

212000 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Cicatriz, 8, #482 of 1497 🔗

The virtual shutdown of the NHS to everything but the virus has killed and is killing.

211969 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 15, #483 of 1497 🔗

My wife has received a notification from the NHS saying that a place that she had visited in the last few days had reported a possible case of CV and the only other place she had been to without me (I have not had the same message and even if I did,I would ignore it) is the Merry Hill shopping centre near Dudley.
Merry Hill from one end to the other must be around 3/4 of a mile and is on 2 levels.
Now, this “suspected” case might be someone who might not have come within 1/2 a mile of my wife.
Now, if this is so, there could be a case to tell thousands if not 10’s of thousands of people to “self isolate” Well; best of luck with that then.

211990 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Fingerache Philip., 5, #484 of 1497 🔗

No instruction to self isolate?

211994 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Tenchy, 3, #485 of 1497 🔗

No.

212001 ▶▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Fingerache Philip., 6, #486 of 1497 🔗

Block the number, of not already done so.

212032 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Tenchy, 5, #487 of 1497 🔗

I would ignore it like I said but my wife has a 95 year old mother and she doesn’t want to put her “at risk” and she has the right to do want she thinks is right in her mind.

212036 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Fingerache Philip., 8, #488 of 1497 🔗

No app. No problem.

212047 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Leemc23, 4, #489 of 1497 🔗

True, but like everything the “experts” advise us to do, I take enormous pleasure in ignoring em.

212011 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 9, #490 of 1497 🔗

Germany considering a 2nd “Lockdown” (I HATE this word, I associate it only with prison) from 4th November.
Schools, nurseries, non-essential shops to stay open, hotels, restaurants, cinemas, gyms, hairdressers etc to close for 2 weeks.
No internal tourism, after the courts have just turned over politicians decisions to restrict hotel stays for people from areas with high infections.
Guess who was saying this in his podcast yesterday? Drosten.
Btw, speculations that Drosten never wrote a doctor thesis and cobbled something together after he got a high ranking job gathering more “evidence”.

212026 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Silke David, 5, #491 of 1497 🔗

I hate the word too, but I do think it’s apt. Though before life was suspended even a prisoner in many countries would have had the chance of day release to attend a proper funeral or receive essential medical treatment, unlike today’s law-abiding citizens. I won’t be the only person who lives alone and hasn’t experienced human touch for over 7 months. I cannot think of another situation in which that cruelty would be imposed other than for a prisoner kept in solitary confinement.

Really hope they take down Drosten.

212021 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 22, #492 of 1497 🔗

Lockdown Leftie Luvvie Burnham is now threatening to close down Tesco for their alleged inadequate enforcement of the facecloth mandate.

For one brief shining moment some might have thought this man a lockdown sceptic. Others, knowing what he is, did not.

212031 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Stuart, 8, #493 of 1497 🔗

Drunk with power

212038 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Stuart, 15, #494 of 1497 🔗

If Mr Tesco has half a testicle, he should defy Burnham. It would be a great PR move, apart from anything else. Tesco leading the charge on behalf of all retailers. What is Burnham going to do? Ban all food in Greater Manchester?

212045 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Stuart, 12, #495 of 1497 🔗

He is a wanker, do not trust him

212027 Jonny S., replying to Jonny S., 2, #496 of 1497 🔗

Posted earlier today about flue numbers being down in the UK recently.
It appears this is a worldwide phenomenon.

Source
https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrIjoiZTIxMzAwMzYtZWE4NC00YTU2LWE3MTUtMTI0OGY1ZjQyMWViIiwidCI6ImY2MTBjMGI3LWJkMjQtNGIzOS04MTBiLTNkYzI4MGFmYjU5MCIsImMiOjh9

212183 ▶▶ JamesDrebin, replying to Jonny S., 1, #497 of 1497 🔗

Funny that, isn’t it. 😉

212029 howard steen, replying to howard steen, 8, #498 of 1497 🔗

What second wave?

212212 ▶▶ watashi, replying to howard steen, 2, #499 of 1497 🔗

wow. Beautiful work. Do you sell prints?

212662 ▶▶▶ howard steen, replying to watashi, 1, #500 of 1497 🔗

Hi,
No, I do not sell prints, but if you give me your e-mail address I will send you a higher res version of the image which you are free to print out for your own use (no commercial use though). My e-mail: hrs_ioloucat@yahoo.co.uk
Title your mail: Covid Cartoon III

212040 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 6, #501 of 1497 🔗

The flu and respiratory viruses are around every year so we must be on wave 23457 (insert your own random number) now.

212059 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to stefarm, 1, #502 of 1497 🔗

Agreed. The wave issue is really more one of semantics. Viruses mutate and they have their seasons. The key issue at the moment I think is whether we have a pattern of excess respiratory disease deaths (flu, Covid and all the rest) at the moment or not. My guess is there is a small excess at the moment. Does anyone have the figures to hand?

212063 ▶▶▶ Jonny S., replying to OKUK, #503 of 1497 🔗

as posted earlier

212128 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Jonny S., #504 of 1497 🔗

Thanks Jonny. So (assuming I’m reading this right) looks like, in the latest week, all respiratory deaths (including Covid this year) were about 1900 compared with a five year average of around 1700. Overall, excess deaths were about 350 above the maximum figure over the five years. In a country of nearly 70 million, hardly the stuff of nightmares I would suggest. Certainly no reason to destroy our economy, health service, education system and culture.

212041 Chris Mr, replying to Chris Mr, 6, #505 of 1497 🔗

If the last resort of the rule of law is to take away ones Liberty then are we, or are we not, currently in prison?

213176 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Chris Mr, #506 of 1497 🔗

Think the last resort is to take away one’s head, Chris.

212042 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 13, #507 of 1497 🔗

Simple question to the government. How many of the vulnerable actually want to be protected? There’s a chance that 65 million of us are being locked up to cater for the fears of a few thousand.

212048 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Achilles, 3, #508 of 1497 🔗

This is why I suggested some nationwide advocacy. It would be a gargantuan logistical task but is essential imo

212050 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Achilles, 3, #509 of 1497 🔗

I think that’s quite likely but the govt don’t care. They just wheel out Long Covid or overwhelmed hospitals and the argument is won.

212073 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Achilles, 10, #510 of 1497 🔗

Indeed. I think many people in their 80s are stoical. They know there aren’t great choices. If you don’t die of something like pneumonia, once described by the medical profession as “the old person’s friend”, the likelihood is they will have a more horrible death, maybe septicaemia, Alzheimers or after suffering an incapacitating stroke. Many will wish to take their chances and carry on meeting family and friends.

212481 ▶▶▶ chris c, replying to OKUK, 3, #511 of 1497 🔗

Yes lots of old folks here lots of horrid ways to die and horrid ways to live often for years.

I know several 80 – 90+ year olds who gave been out defiantly walking throughout the lockdown, with or without their dogs, and going shopping etc. I’m not that old but don’t expect to live much longer anyway, I’ve come to terms with it and would rather continue to live than cower.

212106 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Achilles, 2, #512 of 1497 🔗

They’re not protecting the vulnerable, they’re protecting the NHS.

212341 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Nobody2020, #513 of 1497 🔗

What for?

212483 ▶▶▶▶ chris c, replying to annie, #514 of 1497 🔗

The managers. Who else would employ them?

212046 Victoria, 1, #515 of 1497 🔗
212055 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 14, #516 of 1497 🔗

Time to end the madness. Time for GTN – gradual transition to normality.

Have a six week wind down of regs. to Christmas. During that time ramp up (a) public health messages to people and (b) put in place proper support arrangements for people who wish to shield. Maintain Swedish style controls on mass gatherings into the New Year but establish a target for full normalisation. Use billions saved to support our cultural institutions and care homes.

212067 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to OKUK, 2, #517 of 1497 🔗

Great plan

212091 ▶▶ DRW, replying to OKUK, 3, #518 of 1497 🔗

We can dream.

212460 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to OKUK, 2, #519 of 1497 🔗

They had the chance to do this over the summer and indeed at one point it looked as if this actually was the plan. Then we got all the ‘second wave’ nonsense. HMG has had ample opportunity to wind this all down and has consistently refused.

212066 James Marker, replying to James Marker, 7, #520 of 1497 🔗

Going back to the piece in yesterday’s Telegraph about Imperial’s REACT antibody survey. It is interesting that Wendy Barclay (head of the Department of Infectious Disease at ICL) plays down the idea of herd immunity, but what she fails to state is that research carried out at Porton Down in the last century (in which she was involved) showed that people reinfected with a corona virus did not get sick. Here she is on a BBC Horizon programme talking about the research https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p08dlfgg – listen to what she says between 2.15 and 2.25. Somebody might like to point this out to Will if he has not already seen it.

212143 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to James Marker, 1, #521 of 1497 🔗

Somebody might like to point this out to Will if he has not already seen it.

Feel free to email Will and Toby yourself: lockdownsceptics@gmail.com

212197 ▶▶▶ James Marker, replying to Ceriain, 2, #522 of 1497 🔗

Thanks for the heads up

212371 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to James Marker, 1, #523 of 1497 🔗

You’re welcome. 🙂

212069 Lucan Grey, replying to Lucan Grey, 17, #524 of 1497 🔗

What’s really annoying about all this is that messing around in midfield doesn’t do anybody any good.

Either

  1. We lock the country down Chinese style, with the army on the streets and we pen people in their homes until all traces of the virus have gone. Much like in Victoria in Australia. Then when it’s gone we shut the borders New Zealand style and sit here awaiting relief from the fabled vaccine; or
  2. We got to a Swedish style system where we have a simple set of reasonable rules that don’t really get in anybody’s way and we let the virus do what it does.

This half-pregnant approach isn’t getting us anywhere.

212094 ▶▶ john, replying to Lucan Grey, 6, #525 of 1497 🔗

Our politicians are so heavily vested in option 1 that option 2 is not going to happen. The vaccine in all likelihood will be similar to the flu vaccine – somewhat effective but not the magic bullet cure that people think it will be. So the only way to get to option 2 is mass civil protest to the point that politicians understand that option 2 is an election winner. Boris and Cummins get this and will follow the crowd – so we have to keep plugging away and converting the branch covidians one by one. I sense this is happening – the comments in the daily mail are probably the best barometer of public opinion – and almost all these days are are anti lockdown…

212338 ▶▶ annie, replying to Lucan Grey, #526 of 1497 🔗

So has the virus gone from Bergen-Belsen-Melbourne?

213177 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Lucan Grey, -1, #527 of 1497 🔗

It becomes less annoying once you realise it’s about the reset, and not about the virus, Lucan.

212070 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 7, #528 of 1497 🔗

If the vaccine doesn’t give you immunity from Covid, (it supposedly lessens the symptoms), then I can see no reason to have it, especially as the majority of us have nothing to fear from it. Just take vitamins C, D and zinc to boost your immune system.

212218 ▶▶ John P, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #529 of 1497 🔗

I didn’t think there was a vaccine?

And no, vaccines are not designed to “lessen symptoms” they are designed to confer immunity.

Drugs (medicines), particularly analgesics, are designed to lessen symptoms.

212078 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 11, #530 of 1497 🔗

Police commissioner of the West Midlands forecasts a risk of civil unrest if police “have to” intervene if people break the rules of “mixing” on Christmas day.
What more needs to be said?

212140 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #531 of 1497 🔗

They have 2 months to re-terrify the population via the controlled media so they are too petrified to see their families at Christmas. Looking at the media output today they have made a good start – I bet they manage to fool the majority of the population twice.

212193 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Darryl, 4, #532 of 1497 🔗

Dudley where my younger son lives is about to be put into teir 2 ( whatever that means) soon.
I am going to drive from South Shropshire to pick him up on Sunday and take him back in the evening whatever the “authorities” say.

212144 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #533 of 1497 🔗

I think a reminder to them of Nuremberg Principle IV is in order.

212081 Londo Mollari, 2, #534 of 1497 🔗
212084 Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 5, #535 of 1497 🔗

Denmark has now gone down the mandatory masks in all indoor public places route. ‘Normal’ places are running out.

212086 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 8, #536 of 1497 🔗

Doubt we will ever see the results of the study then.

212088 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Sarigan, 3, #537 of 1497 🔗

Doesn’t look like it. This came in pretty quietly, I only heard of it today as a bar I visited a few times while over there mentioned it on Facebook. Checked it out and sure enough, it’s true.

212085 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 11, #538 of 1497 🔗

Well well well, another appeal for one of the FOI requests I put in has been returned:

My questions – So are you really telling me that the council has received no justification for any lockdown or other restrictive measure, no scientific evidence either from central Government or from your own research, has no proof whatsoever that any measure that is put in place is actually justified medically or will actually work?

So are you really telling me that the council’s stance is “we are just following orders”?

Their answer confirming the original answer – “I have reviewed your request and I have concluded that the initial response was compliant with the requirements of the FOIA. The information you have requested is not held by Cheshire East Council.

All testing is commissioned by DHSC. The core of your request relates to DHSC and national policy.”

So all councils so far have said no evidence, no science, no justifictaions just “ we are just following orders”.

Plus the testing centre in Newcastle-under-lyme – empty yet again.

212100 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Awkward Git, #539 of 1497 🔗

So the confirmatory response at secondary appeal stage shows them up for not insisting upon adequate data – just following along.

Will you progress to ombudsman? Being ‘vexatious’ is a possible response of course but really, they ought to hold the data you are asking for. It is so clear they ought to hold in their ownership the information their council level policies are based on. The expertise within the professional ranks of officers need the missing information in order to act with professionalism and meet the standards of quality set down in job descriptions and/or ‘customer’ charters.

212139 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Basics, 2, #540 of 1497 🔗

In the appeal was a bit about “I was just following orders” is not a valid defence and so on.

I think next step is a letter to the Council leaders outlining what crimes against humanity and breaches of human rights they are skirting , explain the Nuremberg Principles again then ask the leader of the council his opinion.

I’ve already had one council a few months ago admit that their civid-safe pre-opening checklist and issues with it’s legality and they took it off their website for a while.

Maybe I can get through to them this way.

212453 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Awkward Git, #541 of 1497 🔗

Thank you for your efforts in this regard. The persistent letter-writers are often the instigators of quiet revolutions.

212334 ▶▶ annie, replying to Awkward Git, #542 of 1497 🔗

‘Just following orders’ cuts no ice when justice is meted out.
Coronaberg Trials draw nearer every day.

212087 Basics, replying to Basics, 7, #543 of 1497 🔗

Today’s UK Column, outstanding information once again. Mike Robinson is often overlooked perhaps but he is their at the helm everyday adding huge amounts of insight and knowledge.

The program today will be available to view shortly after 3 pm – really worth while, so much is covered one item inparticular is a segment looking at the covid goings on around Christianity – good to see for any of the church going sceptics hereabouts.

212097 ▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Basics, 9, #544 of 1497 🔗

I’ve been watching UK column since April and it’s the only broadcast news I watch. Brilliant…and they bring into their reporting the much needed humour (at the expense of the powers that be of course!) at every opportunity.

212103 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Harry hopkins, 4, #545 of 1497 🔗

Keep sharing it. One effective view put up a sign at a roundabout in Inverness. Very tidy. Simply said ukcolumn.org.

213189 ▶▶▶ Watt, replying to Harry hopkins, #546 of 1497 🔗

They err occasionally on the cheeky side, yes! Becomes compulsory, though, as in addiction.

212089 Steve Martindale, 5, #547 of 1497 🔗

Curiouser and curiouser!” Cried Alice I have just heard the Bristol is moving into tier 1 plus!

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/bristol-now-coronavirus-tier-called-4646931

“But I don’t want to go among mad people,” Alice remarked.
“Oh, you can’t help that,” said the Cat: “we’re all mad here. I’m mad. You’re mad.”

All these tiers and lock-down rules are getting so complex we are probably due a new degree course in lock-down studies.

212092 DRW, replying to DRW, 50, #548 of 1497 🔗

Afternoon my fellow sceptics. I thought today was the time to explain another reason
for my negativity. My mum is very ill, with a life expectancy of months. Not going into
details publicly but it is definitely not from this hyped up cold. Yet I don’t advocate ruining everyone elses’ lives because of that.

This already deeply saddening situation has been made million times worse by all this
coronabollocks shit. Death is inevitable and I expect this has hardened my immunity
to the constant “saving lives” etc. propaganda. It disgusts me how this has been used
as a poltical slogan whilst ensuring many more from missed conditions and suicides, and
angers me that the majority can’t see through it, blinded by infantile brainwashing.
It will only get worse if they try another full lockdown, it’s already gotten to me enough.

I’m really too depressed today to write about this properly, I might be back later.

212134 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to DRW, 12, #549 of 1497 🔗

DRW, I am so sorry to hear this. Sending you and your mum all my best thoughts. Please keep talking to us and asking for our support in whatever small ways we can.

212137 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 10, #550 of 1497 🔗

I second that; please stay with us and I hope that you are able to keep your mum company .

212175 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to DRW, 5, #551 of 1497 🔗

Sorry to hear this.

212176 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to DRW, 4, #552 of 1497 🔗

So sorry to hear this DRW. Please keep coming here and we will support you.

212224 ▶▶ watashi, replying to DRW, 4, #553 of 1497 🔗

Sorry to hear this DRW. Hope you keep coming here. I hope you can be with her.

212325 ▶▶ annie, replying to DRW, 3, #554 of 1497 🔗

God be with you and your mother.

212098 Bill Hickling, replying to Bill Hickling, 7, #555 of 1497 🔗

As per the DT obituary today the actor Johnny “Leeze, who was reported to have had underlying health conditions, died following a heart attack a day after testing positive for Coronavirus”.
Another Covid “death” no doubt. How absurd.

212215 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Bill Hickling, 1, #556 of 1497 🔗

He was probably so scared by MSM reporting of Covid that the stress caused a heart attack.

212099 nickbowes, 4, #557 of 1497 🔗

Death rate per 1 million population last 7 days

USA 13.73
UK 18.06
France 22
Belgium 31.35

Yet the BBC still accuses Trump of COVID malpractice

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/

18 deaths per million and our idiot Government want to destroy the economy.

212102 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 4, #558 of 1497 🔗

German Neurologist On Face Masks: ‘Oxygen Deprivation Causes Permanent Neurological Damage’
https://www.technocracy.news/german-neurologist-on-face-masks-oxygen-deprivation-causes-permanent-neurological-damage/

See the brilliant comment when a poster asked ‘are there any studies to back up these claims?’

212111 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Victoria, 4, #559 of 1497 🔗

That isn’t a brilliant comment at all. Whether right or wrong in his reply, he is saying ‘we are experts, that is all you need to know’. Such appeals to authority are rife amongst the lockdown zealots in the media just now.

212187 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to jb12, #560 of 1497 🔗

Interesting

So you are saying that ‘when an eminent neurologist’, in this case Dr Margarite Griesz-Brisson speak about the brain and the damage to the brain due to oxygen deprivation that the only way you will believe what she is saying is when she provide studies to back this up?

212339 ▶▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to Victoria, 1, #561 of 1497 🔗

I present scientific information from experts all the time. I ALWAYS provide references. People should be able to access the research on which judgements are made, and make their own assessments.

212231 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to jb12, #562 of 1497 🔗

I agree. In the strictest sense, it’s an appeal to authority and a logical fallacy.

Experts don’t work in bubbles of knowledge. They compile, synthesise and arrive at conclusions.

Request for a source should be standard.

212136 ▶▶ Polemon2, replying to Victoria, #563 of 1497 🔗

Sounds like “no”,then.

212105 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 13, #564 of 1497 🔗

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/27/family-christmas-gatherings-breach-covid-rules-will-broken-police/

This is a bizarre article.

David Jamieson, the West Midlands Police and Crime Commissioner (PCC), said his force would investigate reports of rule-breaking over Christmas if the region remained under Tier 2 restrictions and officers would, if necessary, enter homes and separate households.

So far, so 1984.

But then he states:

“We’re sitting on a time bomb here. We’re getting very near the stage where you could see a considerable explosion of frustration and energy. Things are very on the edge in a lot of communities and it wouldn’t take very much to spark off unrest, riots, damage.”

He compared the situation to the riots of 2011, which were sparked by the police shooting of Mark Duggan in London but quickly spread, saying: “That just exploded – looting of shops, smashing of property. People who have never been involved in crime before in their life suddenly exploded.”

The spark in this case, he said, could be the police enforcing coronavirus restrictions in a way “that’s seen to be heavy-handed”.

Heavy handed? Like breaking up families spending Christmas together in their own home you mean, as you just threatened above?

212116 ▶▶ Liam, replying to A. Contrarian, 7, #565 of 1497 🔗

“Communities.”

Hmmmn.

212677 ▶▶▶ Graham, replying to Liam, #566 of 1497 🔗

Yes, hmmm. The offence of gathering together while white is implied.

212119 ▶▶ Nsklent, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #567 of 1497 🔗

I like the way they use ‘entering’ a property when they mean breaking in, or forcibly entering. So, plod turns up and asks how many people in the house, the reply is basically, none of your business. Plod then tries to enter, you uphold your rights, and refuse access plod says, ok, no problem, have a nice Christmas. Yeah right. More like thrown to the ground and handcuffed and then the tattooed brigade stomp all over your house, arrest a few more, and stomp on a couple of presents for good measure, like the nasty kid and the sandcastle.

212132 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Nsklent, #568 of 1497 🔗

There have been numerous examples of them forcing entry recently using Covid as an excuse – it definitely won’t be just a case of them going away, they will want people to leave the premises, of course the people can simply return again later and probably be grassed up again.

213188 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Darryl, #569 of 1497 🔗

The time has come to reinforce doors ? And talk to unexpected callers from an upstairs window.

212123 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to A. Contrarian, 9, #570 of 1497 🔗

Martial law was brought in after civil unrest in the Event 201 ‘simulation’ which was attended by senior Whitehall figures – these people are well aware they are pushing people to the limit and what will eventually happen.

Personally I think it is being done deliberately, but I am sure many will disagree. Destroy the current social and economic system to start anew.

213191 ▶▶▶ Watt, replying to Darryl, #571 of 1497 🔗

I can only, sadly, agree with you.

212173 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to A. Contrarian, 5, #572 of 1497 🔗

This is a bizarre article.

Absolutely, AC.

Mrs C. and I read this article late last night and ‘bizarre’ was exactly the word she used. She said, “He’s almost admitting that his actions will start possible “unrest, riots, damage”, but will do it anyway.” It literally is ‘bizarre”!

212347 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Ceriain, #573 of 1497 🔗

It’s possible it could be a coded warning to HMG, basically saying ‘if you carry on like this, on your own head be it’.

212583 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Cranmer, #574 of 1497 🔗

Hopefully…

212211 ▶▶ John P, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #575 of 1497 🔗

Charlotte Gracias (on twitter) :

Actually they won’t.

These kinds of threats which give the impression the police in England have more powers than is actually the case are irresponsible, dangerous and divisive.

They can’t forcefully enter a home for the purpose of separating households under the farcical rules.

212230 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to John P, 2, #576 of 1497 🔗

They definitely forced entry numerous times during the original lockdowns to check if people were visiting.

212234 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Darryl, #577 of 1497 🔗
213194 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Darryl, #578 of 1497 🔗

Needs a google account – age related ! 🙂

212584 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to John P, #579 of 1497 🔗

All it takes is for them to change the law overnight and insert some new regulation…

212108 Julian, replying to Julian, 30, #580 of 1497 🔗

Just had a small removal job done by a well known firm. List of safety guidelines as long as your arm about masks, distancing, leaving rooms and property empty of extraneous people. Blkes turned up maskless, didn’t keep distance, lent me their pen to sign the forms, drank tea. 100% normal. Lots of people know it’s nonsense and it’s over.

212192 ▶▶ Al Pipp, replying to Julian, 4, #581 of 1497 🔗

Agree. It is over. My mum is having Chemo in hospital and I wear a mask in the ward. That is the only place I will wear a mask – medical environments around vulnerable people.

212244 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Al Pipp, 2, #582 of 1497 🔗

Well yes, but the mask is not effective

212372 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Victoria, #583 of 1497 🔗

I would wear one in hospitals etc too even though I don’t believe they’re effective. There are genuinely sick and vulnerable people there and I wouldn’t want to make them feel more afraid, whether rightly or wrongly.

212718 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to A. Contrarian, #584 of 1497 🔗

On the other hand, it would do them good to see a friendly face, and even save their life …. no simple answer to that one

213195 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Rosie, #585 of 1497 🔗

Nor would it help them to see someone with a medical exemption keel over and die on the spot.

212344 ▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Al Pipp, 1, #586 of 1497 🔗

Even then they don’t work apparently. Pre-Madness, my own rule when visiting anyone in hospital was wash hands and don’t go if feeling unwell or with a fever. The safety we all aim for can’t actually be achieved without creating fresh dangers. I wish your Mum well, and glad she is getting treated. I have heard stories of people NOT getting treated. Argh…

212147 ▶▶ annie, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #588 of 1497 🔗

The Grauniad ghouls will die of shock!

212360 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to annie, #589 of 1497 🔗

The usual riposte is to accuse him of being right wing. I believe he doesn’t support any particular party at the moment.

212191 ▶▶ ambwozere, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #590 of 1497 🔗

I bet that the one person on my Facebook who always shares articles from the Guardian won’t be sharing this one!

I might do it instead just for a laugh.

212461 ▶▶ Lili, replying to A. Contrarian, #591 of 1497 🔗

No comments allowed, though.

212114 FlynnQuill, replying to FlynnQuill, 18, #592 of 1497 🔗

I have been looking at the ONS covid death stats for the 25th of September to the 26th of October. According to the ONS site, 207 people died with covid, not of covid in the four-week period. I am from the North East, so I went to look and see how many people had died during the month. The ONS site has the whole of Yorkshire and the North East as one group. So, the total deaths for both regions were 44!! So, I then looked at the population of the two areas. The population of both regions combined is 7.9 million. So, I divided that number by the deaths (44) and the figure was 0.000005. So, 7.9 million people are living a dystopian existence and are in Tier 2/3 for 44 people. It is absolutely insane!!

I can only now conclude that we are being played and toyed with by sinister forces. Now, I’m no conspiracy theorist by any stretch of the imagination but the facts are the facts. The numbers and the stats do not add up with our government and MSM end of the world narrative. I’ve always believed until recently, that the government had dug themselves in to a hole and just couldn’t get out of it for fear of legal and public retribution. However, I believe this is no longer the case. I really do hope I’m wrong!

212118 ▶▶ leggy, replying to FlynnQuill, 9, #593 of 1497 🔗

Congratulations. You’re on the path to enlightenment. You’ve worked out the “how”, at least in part. Next comes the “why”.

212121 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to leggy, 2, #594 of 1497 🔗

👍

212126 ▶▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to leggy, 12, #595 of 1497 🔗

I have always thought something didn’t add up at the end of April. I’ve never worn a mask and confront covid stazi where ever I find them. I’ve just been clinging on to the forlorn hope that they were just absolutely thick as shite. Turns out they are murdering scum.

212164 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to FlynnQuill, 2, #596 of 1497 🔗

👍

212640 ▶▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to FlynnQuill, #597 of 1497 🔗

Upticks ago-go!!

212158 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to leggy, #598 of 1497 🔗

Couldn’t have put that better myself, leggy.

, welcome to The Land of the Free Mind , friend. 🙂

212206 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to leggy, 2, #599 of 1497 🔗

I think give up on asking “why” if you want to stay sane.
Just be happy you have the ability and sense to ask “why”.

212319 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to leggy, #600 of 1497 🔗

Out of interest in their reaction, I asked a few people of my acquaintance recently if they knew how many people died of the Covids the week before London went into tier 2. Nobody knew. When I said ‘nine’ there wasn’t much surprise nor interest.

The general attitude seems to be, as the rank and file used to say in the Great War, ‘we’re here because we’re here because we’re here’. Wearing masks and not mixing and all the other guff is just ‘what you do’ now and doesn’t seem to be questioned.

212120 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to FlynnQuill, 4, #601 of 1497 🔗

I can only now conclude that we are being played and toyed with by sinister forces – so it is a conspiracy!

212200 ▶▶ JulieR, replying to FlynnQuill, 2, #602 of 1497 🔗

And we are not even told on what condition the tiers would be downgraded. So no hope for people whatever they do.

212122 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 16, #603 of 1497 🔗

Just had my flu jab. Arrived just before the appointed time (13.53 to be exact) and was greeted by a masked receptionist who ushered me into the surgery via the back door to join a line of masked people socially distanced. Two nurses on duty–fully masked with aprons— who kept coming out to say ‘next please’. I was the only person without a mask in a line of around eight people. Nobody talking of course, it was like the slow procession to a sausage machine. When my turn came I breezed into the room and had my jab.
At no time was I asked about a mask and none of the other ‘patients’ gave me a second glance…not that I noticed anyhow.

It’s all about fear isn’t it? And I’m pleased to say I have none. I don’t fear catching a cold like illness. I don’t fear the disapproving looks of others and I certainly don’t fear any approach that people might make if and when they notice me. Fear is what is behind this whole scamdemic and when you realise that the fear is mainly in your head it ceases to control your life.

212141 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Harry hopkins, 8, #604 of 1497 🔗

Presumably you fear getting the flu…and that’s why you have the flu jab or is it just you balance the risk of a flu jab v getting the flu?

212163 ▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to OKUK, 7, #605 of 1497 🔗

I had the ‘flu’ some years ago and it wasn’t pleasant. I have the jab purely from a precautionary point of view as, on balance, I think it wise.
I don’t fear falling downstairs which is responsible for many serious injuries but as I get older I make a point of descending with my hand on the rail Not fear just precautionary.

212263 ▶▶ watashi, replying to Harry hopkins, 3, #606 of 1497 🔗

sorry to hear that you fear the flu . I personally would fear the jab

212125 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 10, #607 of 1497 🔗

Meanwhile in Sweden:

212129 ▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Nobody2020, 2, #608 of 1497 🔗

This would make a great picture to hang from a lanyard!

212130 wendyk, 4, #609 of 1497 🔗

Song for the Corona Neverendum:

’They’re Coming To Take Me Away Ha Ha’ by Napoleon XIV

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwj_j9qVwdfsAhWCiFwKHenTAvIQyCkwAHoECBYQAw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DhnzHtm1jhL4&usg=AOvVaw1_AyzomL1syraghVsxHG-4

And finally, Lord Sumption should henceforth be known as Lord Gumption, as he’s got plenty.

212131 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 10, #610 of 1497 🔗

I had to explain to someone earlier who thought that we should go for “zero covid” why this is impossible.

I made sure that he knew that my academic credentials had nothing to do with virology or epidemiology (or anything else that you would study to be a medical doctor) but computer science (which is heavily based on mathematical logic, which itself isn’t really science, but just “pure logic”)

They thought that all of these restrictions would go away once we achieved “zero covid”

I pointed out that for that to happen, we would need a test that was 100% accurate.

If we didn’t have a test that was 100% accurate, then it would give out “false positives” and “false negatives”. A bit like a pregnancy test – none of them are 100% accurate. Sometimes, people buy 2. But there is nature’s way of telling you (your period stops and you start growing a baby)

So the test would tell people that they are infected when really they are not and people who are infected might be told that they are all-clear.

I know there are way cleverer people than me in the field of science, so I’ll let them answer how we go about eliminating a virus that is 1000x smaller than a human hair from existence.

“Kill all the people” seems to be the only way I can think of that will achieve “zero covid”.

212213 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to captainbeefheart, 4, #611 of 1497 🔗

No more than a political slogan.

Dig deep into any party presenting it and it amounts to PPE on everyone, everywhere, all the time and closed borders with no fun inside the prison.

With a promise that its to keep us safe and we will get our lives back in 6, no 12, no 16 weeks. Or just a few years more, to save Granny, forever, so she lives indefinitely.

212135 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 10, #612 of 1497 🔗

Ooohh…. what’s this? A lesser-spotted MP with her dutiful side-kick in tow going upstairs. I got a filthy look from the side-kick (probably the author of the snotty e-mail I received recently). Now, where are those rotten tomatoes ….?

212145 ▶▶ DocRC, replying to kh1485, 5, #613 of 1497 🔗

what, in her constituency? Give her my best and ask her how the same person who gave such a sensible anti critical race theory/ BLM speech in the House of Commons last week can possibly believe in the ridiculous Covid-19 policy!

212149 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to DocRC, 10, #614 of 1497 🔗

Exactly. Not sure what is going on. She was carrying a very large bunch of flowers and went upstairs to the office of the BID Chairwoman. I’m sure when she leaves she will scuttle past. I mean, she doesn’t want to be in the same space as a … constituent.

212150 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to DocRC, 2, #615 of 1497 🔗

She’s probably been told she’ll get a place in the inner party in the new IngSoc.

212152 ▶▶ steph, replying to kh1485, 4, #616 of 1497 🔗

I had great hopes for Kemi. She took a no nonsense approach to people deciding for her that she must have been subject to racism. But then I had great hopes for our MP, one Priti Patel. It is clear that she only cares about keeping her cabinet job and not all about representing her constituents. There is no way we should be in tier 2 (in fact nobody should be in any ridiculous tier at all) but she just simpered and said she tried. Trying equals resignation when government is trashing your constituents, Priti, not a mild complaint.

212138 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 8, #617 of 1497 🔗

The Sage Cartel appear to be running the country now. Why can’t the Government, even Parliament see what the population see.

212148 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #618 of 1497 🔗

SAGE – a political and commercial lobbying group. Nothing to do with science or sense.

212157 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to OKUK, 5, #619 of 1497 🔗

Who have way too much power over our mediocre ‘government’, they are dangerous

212228 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #620 of 1497 🔗

As above – it is the government who make the choices. No excuses – SAGE could be entirely reformed tomorrow.

212639 ▶▶▶ DomW, replying to OKUK, 2, #621 of 1497 🔗

Sadistic
Arseholes
Gaming
Evidence

212170 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #622 of 1497 🔗

SAGE is an instrument of government. Blame where blame belongs.

212246 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to RickH, #623 of 1497 🔗

Absolutely, the same applies to Trump and Fauci – could have replaced him but didn’t, and left the country in ruins.

SAGE and Fauci are just front people carrying out the wishes of the establishment – otherwise they would be long gone.

212146 The Rule of Pricks, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 6, #624 of 1497 🔗

Has this been posted before? Ive just been sent it by the head of my residents association……

Informants form an orderly queue please……..

https://www.met.police.uk/tua/tell-us-about/c19/tell-us-about-a-possible-face-covering-breach-inside-a-business-now/possible-face-covering-breach-inside-business-happening-now/?lid=d90cb66c-cad0-417a-b905-e0b167e3f101

As if the self-appointed ‘enforcers’ of the lockdown restrictions werent bad enough, they now have the means to report you officially!

212292 ▶▶ annie, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 2, #625 of 1497 🔗

Nauseating. These people need to be quietly disposed of down the nearest sewer.

212313 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to annie, 1, #626 of 1497 🔗

PS. I just sent them a message, inventing a suitable email address. Not quite the sort they were expecting

212151 IMoz, 2, #627 of 1497 🔗

Table 3 from CDC’s Weekly Updates by Select Demographic and Geographic Characteristics shows just how much of a wanton fraud COVID-19 death counting is: really “intentional/unintentional poisoning” counted as a COVID-19 death?! WTF?
Together with their Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Reports of 11th Sept 2020 that showed masks are useless (p-value > 0.8) maybe someone at the CDC is coming around?…

212153 Adam, replying to Adam, 4, #628 of 1497 🔗

We must Try to reach out to people by bypassing the complicit lame Stream media and realize that Johnson his inept privileged authoritarian government along with sage are no good lying pieces of shit who need removing and holding accountable, and being criminally culpable https://www.remove-the-tory-government.org

212289 ▶▶ annie, replying to Adam, 4, #629 of 1497 🔗

And get Labour instrad?
Look at Drakeford’s Gulag and be careful what you wish for.
They’re all s..t.

212154 Sir Patrick Vaccine, 4, #630 of 1497 🔗

Italians fight back
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eS08kreDcps
Bologna – La protesta arriva in piazza, “vaffa” per Conte (28.10.20)

212162 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 11, #631 of 1497 🔗

Apologies for my amateur artwork:

212166 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #632 of 1497 🔗

Love the artwork! Keep it up!

212182 ▶▶ ambwozere, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #633 of 1497 🔗

This is brilliant 👏 👏

212167 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 39, #634 of 1497 🔗

A lady has just come into the shop. She asked if she had to wear the mask so I said “of course not” and she replied “thank god for that” and ripped it off.

I told her about the exemption and showed her a lanyard. Her eyes lit up and she said “really?” Gave her all the info’ and she took it gratefully. If you’re reading this Jean, thanks again – another lanyard received with thanks.

212177 ▶▶ Margaret, replying to kh1485, 17, #635 of 1497 🔗

Good work kh. We’ve just been for lunch in Buxton. ( Are you there Miriam?) A lady outside the beautifully refurbished Buxton crescent stopped me to ask about my badge. I was able to give her the link to the government website and tell her about the lanyards available at M and S and Sainsbury’s. She wanted it for someone else who found it distressing to wear a mask. All her companions agreed that masks were rubbish.

212196 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Margaret, 17, #636 of 1497 🔗

Thanks.

What galls me is this lady had absolutely no idea about the exemption – “they don’t tell you …” And it was perfectly clear that the wretched thing was causing her great distress. I bloody hate what these people have done. And they waltz in here like they bloody own the place (my MP is upstairs at the moment) with their effing masks on. Sorry, but really angry right now …

212219 ▶▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to kh1485, 6, #637 of 1497 🔗

“they don’t tell you”. As annoying as this is the paradox is that information has never been more accessible through your preferred search engine yet people don’t think to search for this stuff. That in itself is just as annoying.

212257 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 2, #638 of 1497 🔗

I think that’s a bit unfair. She’s a lady of a certain age. Probably doesn’t do much internet searching. And she is the type who believes what she is being told by the government.

212277 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to kh1485, 2, #639 of 1497 🔗

That’s fair enough 🙂 It wasn’t apparent that your customer was of a certain age. Thanks for clarifying.

212279 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to kh1485, 3, #640 of 1497 🔗

Can’t you poison his scone? Killing in self-defence.

212297 ▶▶▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to annie, 1, #641 of 1497 🔗

This made me chuckle – a “Very British Assassination”. Screw the Russians with their Novichok and poisoned umbrellas 🙂

“You must drink our tea, it’s the best tea in Buxton”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5p-YQkbe_s

212358 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #642 of 1497 🔗

Made me laugh too. No-one would ever suspect …

212367 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to annie, 2, #643 of 1497 🔗

Ooooh no, Annie. She would never deign to come into my shop. We are thought of as the old-lady tea shop (I think most believe we sell Mellow Birds and broken biscuits!). No, not trendy enough for la-di-dah MPs!

212278 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Margaret, 2, #644 of 1497 🔗

Glad to hear there us sone sanity in beautiful Buxton. I adore the place, but couldn’t bear to see it nappied.

212189 ▶▶ John P, replying to kh1485, 10, #645 of 1497 🔗

Yes, I suspect a lot of people are not aware that they can claim exemption.

212902 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 1, #646 of 1497 🔗

Wahoo!! Another one who has received the Gospel of Why Muzzle Wearing is Hazardous to One’s Health!!!

212275 ▶▶ annie, replying to wendyk, 1, #648 of 1497 🔗

Indeed it is excellent. Confirms my feeling that the zombies and their evil mandarins are from another dimension. A rubbish dimension. And it’s time they were shovelled back into it.

212287 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to annie, #649 of 1497 🔗

Annie get your shovel ready!

212307 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to wendyk, 1, #650 of 1497 🔗

I’ll be buying a pitchfork as soon as Dungford takes them off the banned list. Or from Amazon.

212178 James Macpherson, 3, #651 of 1497 🔗

“BBC News provides trusted World and UK news” –

Many IT infrastructures have components which are trusted by other elements in the system. When I was an IT Security specialist, I used to emphasise to my less perceptive colleagues that “trusted” components were not necessarily “trustworthy” . . .

212179 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 12, #652 of 1497 🔗

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/contact-tracers-face-abuse-as-some-angry-parents-refuse-to-have-their-child-tested-for-covid-19-oireachtas-committee-told-39678176.html

So there is some pushback in Ireland. Contact tracers reports that a “small” number of parents are refusing to get their children tested for COVID19 after being contacted by contact tracers to let them know that they were a close contact of someone “diagnosed” with COVID19 (my quotes around “diagnosed”!)

212190 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Ewan Duffy, 7, #653 of 1497 🔗

Good for them! Go parents!!

212195 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Ewan Duffy, 4, #654 of 1497 🔗

Looking after the interests of your kids, especially as we all know the PCR test is totally unreliable.

212223 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Ewan Duffy, 3, #655 of 1497 🔗

Evil Irish Government will no doubt try to take the children into care – always the threat they use against parents to enforce their tyranny.

212384 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Darryl, 1, #656 of 1497 🔗

This is what concerns me. Eventually the suggestion that the parents are somehow being irresponsible.

At which point you really would do whatever is required to keep your child safe at home with you.

In time, I reckon we will end up having to make some terrible choices as a result of coercion. If it was just me with no parenting responsibilities I’d go the whole route of refusal.

212194 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #657 of 1497 🔗

Rules for home gatherings in LA, I assume with Thanksgiving on the horizon and Christmas.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-10-13/as-holidays-approach-california-unveils-new-rules-on-family-gatherings-social-events

Land of the Free? You’re kidding right

212225 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #658 of 1497 🔗

People who are singing or chanting are strongly encouraged to do so quietly ( at or below the volume of a normal speaking voice ).

LMFAO!

212366 ▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to Ceriain, 2, #659 of 1497 🔗

There must be a team of B-list comedians writing up these recommendations on behalf of the State authorities.
Commie-fornia is completely fooked!

212832 ▶▶▶ Montag Smith, replying to Ceriain, #660 of 1497 🔗

This reminds me of a scene in a Laurel & Hardy comedy where Ollie says if you must make a noise then make it it quietly.

212202 2 pence, replying to 2 pence, 5, #661 of 1497 🔗

PCR TEST
I know this was posted earlier, but tweet is very long.
This is critical and the most important point.

10/124 Before we peek deeper into the “conflict of interest”-sections again, lets have a look into the publication-timeline: The “Drosten-paper” was submitted 21st Jan, acctepted 22nd Jan, published on 23th Jan 2020
https://twitter.com/Bobby_Network/status/1321190815369146387

41/124 Lets peek deeper into recommended Cycles / CT-value in Drosten’s protocol. We can spot an absurd 45 Cycles-value there.
https://twitter.com/Bobby_Network/status/1321196017790951424

212250 ▶▶ Helen, replying to 2 pence, 2, #662 of 1497 🔗

Great! please keep reposting pu’pence

Amazing thread all the Dr Füllmich and team’s evidence with additional research by the brilliant Bobby Rajesh Malhotra

212288 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to 2 pence, 6, #663 of 1497 🔗

Absolute must read.

Read together Lord Sumptions speech the government is restricting freedom of movement on the basis of declaring an individual infectious and thus a danger to others. There is an act to allow for this.

However, they are not testing everyone, so no proof of you being a danger. And even those who are tested are being done so on the basis of a PCR system not fit to determine that. So no proof or justification for any lockdown.

Even if there was a plague like virus,healthy individuals cannot be restricted in such ways and the government has acted illegally.

I honestly believe the only future world in which our lives can be said to free is one where ministers are in jail over what they have done. Otehrwsie we will have fallen short and the Reset Agenda has pushed on.

212203 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 16, #664 of 1497 🔗

Costa Rica. Hope for the world. DT
”Criticism of PCR test sees Costa Rica scrap requirement for visitors to prove they’re Covid-freeOne of the most respected health bodies in the Americas has challenged the usefulness of the PCR test for traveL”

212259 ▶▶ annie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #665 of 1497 🔗

Costa Rica is indeed renowned for its excellent health services.
And it has some handy volcanoes to chuck zombies into.

212876 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to annie, #666 of 1497 🔗

Costa Rica can make loads of money hiring out their volcanoes for zombies to be chucked into.

212207 Biggles, replying to Biggles, 28, #667 of 1497 🔗

Well my daughter is having to self isolate. A woman she works with went off last Friday and has since tested positive.

Daughter has no symptoms and was told yesterday to get tested which she did. It came back negative but she still can’t go into work until a week on Monday. She is absolutely fuming about it

The only good news is that she is now a committed sceptic.

212227 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Biggles, 3, #668 of 1497 🔗

Hopefully a lot more will eventually see the light.

212326 ▶▶▶ Biggles, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #669 of 1497 🔗

Before long the Government will manage to piss off everyone in the country

212329 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Biggles, 1, #670 of 1497 🔗

Hopefully.

212268 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Biggles, 4, #671 of 1497 🔗

This really does demonstrate the futility of getting tested.

212208 Bella Donna, 3, #672 of 1497 🔗
212214 sam, replying to sam, 40, #673 of 1497 🔗

i did it! thank you lisa from toronto and all. i went to supermarket no scarf[ wear a scarf in place of mask rare times go anywhere says have to wea r a mask and no one said anything ! i coudlnt believe it ! was only from reading here that had the nerve . i smiled and i think people smiled back[ cant tell too well!] was very nervous but thrilled that it worked . the smaller store was too afarid to try.

212221 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to sam, 8, #674 of 1497 🔗

Well done, sam! 🎉 👑 🥂 🍻

212239 ▶▶▶ sam, replying to Ceriain, 7, #675 of 1497 🔗

thank you ceriain!and i talked to 3 people at the mall outside at the atm who were not wearing masks or scarves to say how glad i was that they weren’t because i c ant believe how many people are wearing masks out of doors! and in cars !

212249 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to sam, 7, #676 of 1497 🔗

and in cars

On their own, with the windows up! I wonder who they think they are protecting.

212255 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Ceriain, 5, #677 of 1497 🔗

It’s mumbo jumbo. Can’t think why they don’t just hang up a voodoo doll.

212256 ▶▶▶▶▶ sam, replying to Ceriain, 4, #678 of 1497 🔗

maybe the car?

212405 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Ceriain, 4, #679 of 1497 🔗

The other day on the outskirts of a large cathedral city in eastern England I saw a man walking along a roadside path. There were no other pedestrians around but he was wearing a paper mask which was saturated because of the pouring rain. He was basically ‘waterboarding’ himself.

212416 ▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Ceriain, 2, #680 of 1497 🔗

Considering that most cars have very good air-filtration systems now, the car filters the outside air better than the stupid masks do, by quite a long way.

212417 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Ceriain, 2, #681 of 1497 🔗

Proof positive they’re wearing the mask because they think it protects them. No other reason makes sense.

212252 ▶▶ annie, replying to sam, 9, #682 of 1497 🔗

Take courage! The smaller stores usually couldn’t care less, in my experience – or are actually pleased to see a smiling human face.
And unmasking is the best gesture of defiance you can make.

212262 ▶▶▶ sam, replying to annie, 6, #683 of 1497 🔗

thank you! i will try i was very nervous but i think maybe the sign saying no mask no entry might not be there on the door now. was too terrified to wait about and read it will try next time !

212305 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to sam, 4, #684 of 1497 🔗

If it is there it’s illegal. Discrimination against the disabled.

212332 ▶▶▶▶▶ sam, replying to annie, 3, #685 of 1497 🔗

i will look more carefully ,i think a lot of stores say mask required for entry . i did run into a very inspiring stranger last month who told me that she goes into larger stores like trader joes and whole foods without a mask [ i havent been to either in months] ,and also said they have antidiscrimination policies so they wont do anything. i will be more brave next time!

212380 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to sam, 3, #686 of 1497 🔗

I’ve done various shops golf clubs restaurants hospital,a court and a funeral service where the priest told everyone else to take their masks off.
Only challenged at the hospital and a quick exempt although the door capo tried to make me sanitise my hands and I told her I was allergic .
Although when I got to the ward I did use the one on the wall because it is a good idea in the hospital due to MRSA and other nasty bugs circulating.

212395 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lili, replying to sam, 5, #687 of 1497 🔗

A lot of them have had these disgusting, bullying, discriminating notices pushed onto them by local councils. The problem is that retailers and small business owners have not bothered to find out the lawful truth about these diktats.

212424 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Lili, 2, #688 of 1497 🔗

That’s exactly right. Here in Ontario, they read only the first half of the “law” which says businesses are to ensure everyone wears a mask. They stop reading the part where it says EXCEPT. There are clearly exemptions in these bylaws and it’s made crystal clear that nobody can be asked the nature of their exemption or to produce evidence of any kind. We can take a business to small claims court for not respecting exemptions and/or not offering a proper accommodation. They will have to hire a lawyer and defend each claim, so if enough of us do this they will get the message eventually.

212261 ▶▶ calchas, replying to sam, 5, #689 of 1497 🔗

Gret stuff Sam !

212267 ▶▶▶ sam, replying to calchas, 1, #690 of 1497 🔗

thank you calchas!

212266 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to sam, 3, #691 of 1497 🔗

Good on ya Sam!
Lisa definitely rocks the inspiration!

212426 ▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Eddie, 2, #692 of 1497 🔗

Ah, thanks! I’m going to muster some gumption up now and find a vet who will honour my exemption and treat my dog. Curb side isn’t going to work in this case!

212294 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to sam, 2, #693 of 1497 🔗

Well done. You are a warrior make no mistake

212388 ▶▶ Lili, replying to sam, 1, #694 of 1497 🔗

That’s wonderful, Sam. It’s pretty nerve wracking the first couple of times and always is when you try it in a shop you haven’t done it in since this evil mandate. Keep wearing that proud, brave aura – it is your shield of truth.

212397 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to sam, 2, #695 of 1497 🔗

Jolly good show, old chap!

212415 ▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to sam, 2, #696 of 1497 🔗

Wooohooo! Great to hear and keep up the brave work. You’re an inspiration.

212869 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to sam, 2, #697 of 1497 🔗

Well done you!!!

212217 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 4, #698 of 1497 🔗

New deaths numbers reported for England hospitals out today.

https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/10/COVID-19-daily-announced-deaths-28-October-2020.xlsx

Includes someone who died on the 27th of March .

Late post-mortem result, maybe? A family who refused to accept the Covid cause of death, maybe?

212295 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ceriain, 3, #699 of 1497 🔗

Missing person turned up dead? No investigation, just mark as Covid death on the date of disappearance

212302 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #700 of 1497 🔗

Yeah, could be.

212222 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 15, #701 of 1497 🔗

I have had people saying that I am wrong in saying that to obtain a mask exemption badge or lanyard, you only have to “self certify”
No,I am not, I along with probably thousands of others have checked this out on gov.uk, but for some reason a lot of our fellow citizens refuse to believe it.
What has happened to people when they refuse to see what is in front of them?

212229 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Fingerache Philip., 7, #702 of 1497 🔗

You could copy and paste the relevant section of the Regulations and send to them. They are clearly in denial because they want to believe in masks. They won’t have read a thing either. A lot are behaving in this way. It’s sad really.

212237 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Suzyv, 3, #703 of 1497 🔗

Like you say, Suzyv, I honestly think that even highly intelligent people are in denial.
Perhaps it’s because I’m thick, it enables me to see though this bulls××t.
The King’s new clothes?

212271 ▶▶▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Fingerache Philip., 6, #704 of 1497 🔗

There are a lot of people that I thought were intelligent who have bought into this.I’ve come to the conclusion that they are pretty weak and selfish to not think think outside the box and consider the bigger picture. I reckon strength and an enquiring mind and you can see right through this.

212373 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #705 of 1497 🔗

I’ve been waiting 8 months for someone to point out the emperor is naked.Still waiting

212298 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Suzyv, #706 of 1497 🔗

Yeah, that’s a good idea. Do it calmly and just make it known that you are doing them a service. As the Government don’t want them to be informed.

212236 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #707 of 1497 🔗

Curious isn’t it – they must have learned it from somewhere (incorrectly of course) – I wonder where?

212242 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to leggy, 1, #708 of 1497 🔗

Yes,I wonder?

212243 ▶▶ annie, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #709 of 1497 🔗

Zombiefied.

212248 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Fingerache Philip., 9, #710 of 1497 🔗

Not only can you “self-certify” but there is actually no requirement for you to have to have a badge or lanyard. If challenged, you just tell them you’re exempt and they have to accept it. That is actually the position in law.

212272 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Chicot, 4, #711 of 1497 🔗

Yes, of course. but there’s no shortage of little Hitlers out there as we all know.

212394 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Chicot, 3, #712 of 1497 🔗

I have a badge and lanyard but I find it’s not necessary to wear it. I just pull out half an inch of it (the lanyard) from under my jacket when entering a shop and that’s enough for them to leave me alone. It’s like an American cop unbuttoning his holster.

212450 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #713 of 1497 🔗

I guess they would like it that a doctor certifies your exemption.
I dread they will win and it will be brought in. I do not think I would get an exemption letter out of my GP practise, they are all very unhelpful and would probably not believe my recent onset of anxiety.

212619 ▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Silke David, 2, #714 of 1497 🔗

I wonder if being unable to GET a GP appointment will be a defence?

I didn’t think so either.

212865 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to charleyfarley, #715 of 1497 🔗

I think that’s the more relevant problem. If there are no GP appointments, there are no exemption letters, hence the current self-certification situation.

212238 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 1, #716 of 1497 🔗

Is anyone else having trouble viewing today’s UK Column video? I just get “We are experiencing technical difficulties … Be back soon.”

212241 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to mattghg, #717 of 1497 🔗

Seems to be down at the moment.

212253 ▶▶ sam, replying to mattghg, 1, #718 of 1497 🔗

both worked when i tried just now i tried one youtube too. i am always suspicious if a video says we are experiencing technical difficulties!

212260 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to mattghg, #719 of 1497 🔗

On the home page rather than trying to click the video, if you click ‘on demand’ underneath, it seems to work

212281 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Sarigan, 2, #720 of 1497 🔗

Not for me, at the moment anyway. Maybe it’s for the best, I am supposed to be “working from home” after all!

212264 ▶▶ Henry, replying to mattghg, 4, #721 of 1497 🔗

Just scroll across, starts about 13 min or so

212290 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Henry, #722 of 1497 🔗

That’s it!

212309 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Henry, #723 of 1497 🔗

Phew

212361 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to mattghg, 1, #724 of 1497 🔗

Starts at 12 mins

212245 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 6, #725 of 1497 🔗

A chilling report in The Telegraph live feed (my emphasis):

Switzerland imposes fresh restrictions

The dominoes keep falling across Europe.

Switzerland will tighten nationwide restrictions to contain the country’s rising wave of Covid-19 cases, ordering dance clubs to be closed from Thursday, halting in-person university classes starting early next month, and placing new limits on sporting and leisure activities.

The duration of the new measures , which include the requirement to wear masks in all offices and secondary schools as well as outdoors where social distancing is difficult, is indefinite, the government in Bern said .

212291 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Tenchy, 1, #726 of 1497 🔗

I wonder if that includes the Reitschule in Bern- good luck enforcing that there!

212333 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Tenchy, #727 of 1497 🔗

Still less strict than here by the sound of it.

212436 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Tenchy, #728 of 1497 🔗

And the parliament security guards have to keep their beards not longer than 5cm from the chin.
Seriously.

212247 JHuntz, replying to JHuntz, 23, #729 of 1497 🔗

I always hear this hard lockdown nonsense and would encourage anyone to challenge this by asking what they exactly mean? Do they want to stop linesman attending electrical lines to maintain the power network. Do they want waste treatment workers to stop maintaining the sewage network? Do they want planes/ boats to stop delivering essential medicine/ food? Do they want the NHS to stop all hospital treatment. Do they want to isolate said workers to solitary confinement post shift?

There is no such thing as a hard lockdown. There is always a requirement for essential services and therego always community transmission. The lockdowns are utterly futile no matter the supposed ‘hardness’ of it. It is a ridiculous idea to anyone with an iota of common sense and that is why it has never been suggested in the history of humanity.

212283 ▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to JHuntz, 8, #730 of 1497 🔗

They don’t mean anything, they’re regurgitating things they’ve read/heard because they think it makes them sound both wise and strong on covid.

212327 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to JHuntz, 9, #731 of 1497 🔗

None of that has even occurred to them. Everyone can work at home surely? And we can do without hospitals and emergency services for a couple of weeks, come on, if it even saves one life!

212852 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to JHuntz, 2, #732 of 1497 🔗

That’s the problem – those who advocate lockdowns don’t realise that if it really happened as to how they want it, society will totally grind into a halt. And what then?

Didn’t someone say that the middle classes liked lockdown so long as someone else was doing the delivery or words to that effect?

212997 ▶▶ chris c, replying to JHuntz, #733 of 1497 🔗

And just how many of those “essential workers” who worked through the lockdown actually got covid?

212251 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 7, #734 of 1497 🔗

Breaking news

‘Sir Patrick Vallance to sue Mike Yeadon over ‘liar’ claim’

Link: gnikoj ylnO.com

212273 ▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to Cecil B, 2, #735 of 1497 🔗

I see what you’ve done there Mr B ..cheeky 😂

212274 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Cecil B, #736 of 1497 🔗

LMAO!

Link doesn’t work, Cecil. 😉

212285 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Ceriain, 7, #737 of 1497 🔗

Try

sllabehtevahtonseodeH.com

212282 ▶▶ David McCluskey, replying to Cecil B, #738 of 1497 🔗

If true, where do I send my cheque to help pay his defence?

212386 ▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to David McCluskey, #739 of 1497 🔗

Mirror, mirror on the wall.

212401 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Cecil B, 1, #740 of 1497 🔗

That will be great. Will give Yeadon the opportunity to provide evidence that Vallance is a liar

212254 John P, replying to John P, 13, #741 of 1497 🔗

James Delingpole on twitter:

Why have our once great newspapers sold themselves so cheaply?

Today’s front page propaganda headlines are bought and paid for by the government. The readers, apparently, can go hang.

212402 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to John P, 1, #742 of 1497 🔗

Yes, stop reading the papers. Don’t give them your money

212258 peyrole, replying to peyrole, 16, #743 of 1497 🔗

Just had an exchange of views with someone responding to ToL article. He thought covid was worse than ebola! I left it that he should seek help, quickly.
There are a significant number of people now clinically insane.

212316 ▶▶ jb12, replying to peyrole, 3, #744 of 1497 🔗

Interestingly, I watched documentary on Ebola recently, and the way they dealt with the local outbreaks in Africa were very, very similar to how they are trying to contain our own seasonal respiratory illness. They haven’t a clue.

212265 David McCluskey, replying to David McCluskey, 6, #745 of 1497 🔗

Throughout this debacle I have ridden phases of emotions: utter disbelief, unwavering scepticism, rage at politicians, incredulity at the submissiveness of the general population, then periods of thinking as I tried to understand the factors that lie behind the bizarre reality, and finally I’m relieved to report that I have reached a state of near equanimity. By that I don’t mean I’m resigned to the misery but I feel more relaxed because to my satisfaction I can at least find plausible explanations for what is going on.

Submissiveness of the population, even to the extent that they wanted the lockdown much earlier than 16th March, and with even more constraints. Explanation: the general poor health of the UK population made them desperate to have a strict lockdown. Take just one disease, asthma: 5.4M sufferers X 2.3 (average household) = 12.4M hysterical people severely panicked into believing that they are at high risk of ‘murdering’ their loved ones unless they follow every government edict. If you then add in the numbers of in-remission from cancer, Type 2 diabetes sufferers, obesity cases, etc, etc plus their households, then you’ve got a large majority of the population petrified and begging for more ‘safety’ measures.

The Government ignoring facts and figures (the scandal of false-positives, for example) and wise advice from eminent scientists, legal experts, original thinkers, etc who are warning of the seriousness of the country’s situation on all fronts and the need to change course urgently. Explanation: To parody another fairly recent US leader of dubious integrity, “It’s the politics, stupid”. In late summer when a growing number of people had become restive and less submissive the government started to worry about the dire consequences looming for them (especially with the example of Sweden in their face) of having utterly ruined the economy, caused thousands of avoidable deaths, ruined the education system, imprisoned the population, etc for no justifiable reason. Johnson, Cummings et al saw a chance to snatch glory from the jaws of certain political disaster (and hopefully he and his cohorts having to defend themselves in a court of law!). If they play their cards right, they schemed, they might even end 2020 covered in glory, having both done Brexit and saved us from a pretend ‘second wave’. Therefore, turn up the terror dial to maximum, bang on about a ‘second wave’, ignore facts, then make it look as though Government’s timely action saved the nation from two disasters, Covid-19 and Europe.

Government being reckless with the economy and borrowing even more billions to pay for the huge testing programme, tracing, PPE, etc . OK it’s not in anyway compensating for the damage being wrought but all of these Covid-19 activities are measured in the size of the economy. In other words the more they spend on it, the more it grows the economy. The people employed pay their taxes and that is good news for the Exchequer. In normal times the UK has an >80% services economy, with a lot of the activity being ‘non-jobs’ (‘cutting each others hair’ type activities), so having tens of thousands employed in Covid 19 activities is just as ‘productive’ as many of the other service-industry jobs.

These explanations may well be short of the mark, although I obviously believe otherwise, but they do help because I can rationalise to some extent the ‘unexplainable’.

212299 ▶▶ calchas, replying to David McCluskey, 4, #746 of 1497 🔗

The UK is one of well over150 countriesto have pursued these and similar measures. You are forgetting the essential gloval nature of what is going on.

“o having tens of thousands employed in Covid 19 activities is just as ‘productive’ as many of the other service-industry jobs.”

No,people working in hospitality an retail fo example are working in a free market, responding to free demand, they exist because of the free decisions of millions of others, Those working in the ‘covid industry’ are part of the state apparat, depending for their existence on coercion.

212601 ▶▶▶ David McCluskey, replying to calchas, #747 of 1497 🔗

Forgive me but I specifically did not say ‘all’ but “many”. There are, of course, many, many worthwhile service-industry jobs. Worthwhile or not, they all get counted as economic activity so get measured when the size of the economy is being calculated.

212300 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to David McCluskey, 5, #748 of 1497 🔗

MMMmmm. Very Uk-centric. Not saying its wrong, but sitting here in France and expecting national lockdown to be announced tonight from 8pm, I think the underlying forces are not just UK-based. In particular I think they are much more US-based. It will be interesting to see the effect of the US election whoever prevails. Its not coincidence all this renewed talk and suppression is happening a few days before 2 November.

212365 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to peyrole, 7, #749 of 1497 🔗

It’s global in that it is happening around the world, but a perfectly plausible explanation for that is that politicians and media copy each other, they suffer from groupthink, suffer from the same human weaknesses of lack of courage and unwillingness to admit you were wrong, fear of being blamed for deaths.

212269 PaulH, 13, #750 of 1497 🔗

“The Government has been caught using secret, non-peer-reviewed SAGE modelling again. When’s it going to learn?”

It won’t.

Because this modelling suits its nefarious purposes.

212301 ambwozere, replying to ambwozere, 6, #752 of 1497 🔗

Here’s the link to the court case tomorrow Simon Dolan’s if anyone wants to listen.

Court of Appeal Civil Division daily cause list
https://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/court-lists/list-appeal-civil

212346 ▶▶ Basics, replying to ambwozere, 3, #753 of 1497 🔗

Thank you for update.

212304 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 14, #754 of 1497 🔗

Wee Jimmie Mugabe is going to open pubs but they can’t serve alcohol. Is that right? Chrislam anybody?

212308 ▶▶ steph, replying to stefarm, 1, #755 of 1497 🔗

She’s certifiable

212310 ▶▶ peter, replying to stefarm, 7, #756 of 1497 🔗

And there’s the Dutch keeping all their cannabis shops open throughout the covid hoax because ganja’s deemed essential.

What an enlightened bunch the cloggies are.

Satanic Sturgeon just wants everyone to be as miserable as she’s gonna be in prison.

212317 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to peter, 3, #757 of 1497 🔗

TBF I do wonder if I’m off my tits when I read this stuff, incredible. I might as well be off my tits….now where did I put my rizla

212340 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to peter, 1, #758 of 1497 🔗

This is a bit sneaky of me but.

Off topic this
https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-whole-rotten-structure/

And this
https://wingsoverscotland.com/youve-been-robbed/

Comments explore the theme of discontent.

212311 ▶▶ jb12, replying to stefarm, 8, #759 of 1497 🔗

In tier two you can have a drink with a meal, presumably because Covid gets confounded by the meal and loiters in stasis unable to infect. This only works with a meal however, because if you are just drinking alcohol, then it gets ye straight away. That said, all of this is only valid before 8pm; after 8, Covid doesn’t care about food or drink and gets ye anyway!

212318 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to stefarm, 4, #760 of 1497 🔗

Here in N Ireland ALL pubs still closed for over another 2 weeks and we can’t buy alcohol after 8pm anywhere, because Covid is so clever it can get you after this time.

212320 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Janice21, 1, #761 of 1497 🔗

Anywhere??? Not even in the supermarket.

212322 ▶▶▶▶ Janice21, replying to stefarm, 1, #762 of 1497 🔗

Yup, supermarkets and off licences are not permitted to sell it after 8pm.

212330 ▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Janice21, #763 of 1497 🔗

Fucking hell, sorry

212336 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Janice21, replying to stefarm, 4, #764 of 1497 🔗

Its ok, I buy mine at 7.59pm

212345 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Janice21, 3, #765 of 1497 🔗

I’m sure somewhere there is tyranny menu and governments around the world can order off the menu a la carte.Special of the day is always lockdown.

212363 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 5, #766 of 1497 🔗

Reminds me of Monty Python’s Rat menu.
Lockdown is the only strategy they have.
Such a pity it doesn’t work.
Of course, it depends what you want to achieve.

212407 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to annie, #767 of 1497 🔗

Subjugation of the population.Its working very well.

212368 ▶▶▶ Ricky R, replying to Janice21, 3, #768 of 1497 🔗

Watch as drug overdoses and injuries jump up when people decide to hop over to cocaine, ketamine, MDMA to keep their night going when they can no longer buy alcohol.

212392 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Ricky R, 1, #769 of 1497 🔗

And Moonshine.

212826 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Ricky R, #770 of 1497 🔗

Or do like the Soviets who also took to drinking cleaning products that had alcohol in them.

212331 ▶▶ Basics, replying to stefarm, 2, #771 of 1497 🔗

Not for me thanks. I wonder what the muslim perspective is on Chrislam, I can’t see it being popular.

212821 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to stefarm, #772 of 1497 🔗

I used to live in Scotland and like Wile E Coyote, the government has time and again tried and failed to limit the sale of alcohol.

This virus is their dream come true in their attempt to finally impose these restrictions.

212306 Stuart, 4, #773 of 1497 🔗

Non-maskers, the self-certified exempt, should speak softly and carry a big stick, as Teddy Roosevelt once observed.

212315 calchas, replying to calchas, 11, #774 of 1497 🔗
  1. “A May 2020 meta-study on pandemic influenza published by the US CDC found that face masks had no effect, neither as personal protective equipment nor as a source control.
  2. A July 2020 review by the Oxford Centre for Evidence-Based Medince found that there is no evidence for the effectiveness of cloth masks against virus infection or transmission.
  3. A Covid-19 cross-country study by the University of East Anglia came to the conclusion that a mask requirement was of no benefit and could even increase the risk of infection.
  4. An April 2020 review by two US professors in respiratory and infectious disease from the University of Illinois concluded that face masks have no effect in everyday life, neither as self-protection nor to protect third parties (so-called source control).
  5. An article in the New England Journal of Medicine from May 2020 came to the conclusion that cloth face masks offer little to no protection in everyday life.
  6. A July 2020 study by Japanese researchers found that cloth masks “offer zero protection against coronavirus” due to their large pore size and generally poor fit.
  7. A 2015 study in the British Medical Journal BMJ Open found that cloth masks were penetrated by 97% of particles and may increase infection risk by retaining moisture or repeated use.”

https://www.globalresearch.ca/are-face-masks-effective-evidence/5720209

More at the link.

Masks are sociopolitical tools not medical ones.

212357 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to calchas, #775 of 1497 🔗

Fergus Walsh, or someone, will shortly be challenging Wancock about these studies……

212323 Basics, replying to Basics, 2, #776 of 1497 🔗

UK Column today
https://youtu.be/s7uYPxIy3pc

An amazing array of relevant information. Including coverage of the PCR test timing -three days from chinese scientist saying heads up 7 patients here are weird in a new way, next day Imperial college ‘ ‘ ‘ scientist’ ‘ ‘ is tinkering with the design of the PCR test and next day again jobsagoodun. Just so happened to be three days over the holiday period of 30, 31 Dec 2019 and 1 Jan 2020.

212337 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Basics, 7, #777 of 1497 🔗

Just watching the bit about the old bill breaking up the Welsh church service. Brian is 100% correct, the state of the police cuntstable is a disgrace.

212352 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to stefarm, 4, #778 of 1497 🔗

Hands in pockets or cupping manboobs behind stab vest is all you need to see to break the spell of a police constables authority.
Spot on about Brian’s comment.

212375 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to stefarm, 4, #779 of 1497 🔗

Trouble is most Brits will look at that and will think ‘religious people are weirdos and nothing to do with me so who cares’. They don’t understand that a country that restricts religious freedom usually restricts it in many other areas as well. It’s a case of ‘first they came for the Christians…’

212517 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Cranmer, #780 of 1497 🔗

Big time. There was a sermon delivered by a parish priest in Monaghan last week. Will try and find it

212525 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #781 of 1497 🔗

This is it
https://youtu.be/ZNsS4eYBjDI

Talking about the Covid restrictions and a recent locking of records by the state on the Tuam abortion/infanticide scandal.

212324 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 2, #782 of 1497 🔗

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/special-features/new-lighthouse-lab-boost-nhs-4598527?fbclid=IwAR1QgaYzuF_jwwf_ARIuXlMMcNtryf8kGef9tt3df0CsHCw0ikkVBkzViP8
reports on a new testing facility. The article refers to two machines that will be used. Looking on the manufacturer’s website the document describing on of the machines is clearly marked for “research use only. Not to be used for diagnostic purposes” https://chemagen.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/PRD_chemagicTM_360_lowres_CT6-10-1601-01.pdf
and
https://perkinelmer-appliedgenomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/PerkinElmer-SARS-CoV-2-Nucleic-Acid-Detection-Kit-v2-0RUO.pdf which also states it’s a qualitative test.
This document also gives the number of cycles at each temperature, with instructions to do the fluorescence assay in the highest temperature band. The number of cycles in this higher temperature is 45.
The tiering system is based on the output from these machines and no one bats an eyelid.

212399 ▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to p02099003, 2, #783 of 1497 🔗

At 45 cycles just about anything will register as positive, hence the Casedemic.

212411 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Lisa from Toronto, #784 of 1497 🔗

From the horses mouth

Hse is the PHE of Ireland

212509 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #785 of 1497 🔗

Yup, casedemic. I believe here in Ontario they’re using 40-45 cycles. You would think the politicians, who have been buried by their ongoing stupidity, would use this as an opportunity to change the narrative. Make the labs test at 30 cycles and, voila, the number of “cases” drops dramatically. The fact they don’t want to make this go away forces my mind to dark places.

212631 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Lisa from Toronto, #786 of 1497 🔗

I wrote a passionate plea to my local MLA to ask the Department of Health in Northern Ireland to publish their CT numbers. One question, specific and to the point. Just ask it and we are off to the races.

But no response. Its now evidence for me that he knew and did nothing. That he couldn’t submit a two sentence question on behalf of one he represents as a matter of urgency. No, he’s worse than useless to me. I had no need of him before and I’ll say it to him if I run into him that he is even more useless than ever.

212409 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to p02099003, #787 of 1497 🔗

Wow. Indeed it does. Tweet those documents to this gentleman
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1321188173913927680.html

212335 2 pence, replying to 2 pence, 4, #788 of 1497 🔗

Oct 27, 2020
Update from CDC
Of the 220,000 deaths reported as due to COVID, the actual cause was:
88,208 – pneumonia & influenza
17, 799 – chronic respiratory disease
26, 365 – respiratory distress synd.
44, 261 – hypertensive disease
23, 275 -heart disease
28, 000 -cardiac arrest

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7x-biB_JrcU&feature=emb_logo&ab_channel=OneAmericaNewsNetwork

212350 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to 2 pence, #789 of 1497 🔗

The breakdown totals add up to significantly more than the grand total of 220,000. Something seems amiss.

212355 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Tenchy, 2, #790 of 1497 🔗

They add up to ~227,000.

212369 ▶▶▶ 2 pence, replying to Tenchy, #791 of 1497 🔗

Maybe just original typo I copied from.
.

212377 ▶▶ MutzNutz, replying to 2 pence, -1, #792 of 1497 🔗

OAN?
Jeez!. That outfit makes Fox seem like wooley headed liberals. Still, that may well be where the bullshitter in chief finds a new perch if he gets evicted from the WH

212379 ▶▶ tallandbald, replying to 2 pence, 4, #793 of 1497 🔗

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#Comorbidities

Try this link. USA CDC website.
They say 6% of total deaths were Covid only deaths. All the rest had severe co-morbidities.

Have to say statistics is not my strong suit and I couldn’t make head nor tail of the figures.

212342 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 10, #794 of 1497 🔗

The global indictment:

‘An estimated 71 million people are expected to be pushed back into extreme poverty in 2020, the first rise in global poverty since 1998. Lost incomes, limited social protection and rising prices mean even those who were previously secure could find themselves at risk of poverty and hunger.

Underemployment and unemployment due to the crisis mean some 1.6 billion already vulnerable workers in the informal economy – half the global workforce – may be significantly affected, with their incomes estimated to have fallen by 60 per cent in the first month of the crisis.

The more than one billion slum dwellers worldwide are acutely at risk from the effects of COVID-19, suffering from a lack of adequate housing, no running water at home, shared toilets, little or no waste management systems, overcrowded public transport and limited access to formal health care facilities.

Women and children are also among those bearing the heaviest brunt of the pandemic’s effects. Disruption to health and vaccination services and limited access to diet and nutrition services have the potential to cause hundreds of thousands of additional under-5 deaths and tens of thousands of additional maternal deaths in 2020. Many countries have seen a surge in reports of domestic violence against women and children.

School closures have kept 90 per cent of students worldwide (1.57 billion) out of school and caused over 370 million children to miss out on school meals they depend on. Lack of access to computers and the internet at home means remote learning is out of reach of many. About 70 countries reported moderate to severe disruptions or a total suspension of childhood vaccination services during March and April of 2020.

As more families fall into extreme poverty, children in poor and disadvantaged communities are at much greater risk of child labour, child marriage and child trafficking. In fact, the global gains in reducing child labour are likely to be reversed for the first time in 20 years.’

https://unstats.un.org/sdgs/report/2020/

212349 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Tim Bidie, 9, #795 of 1497 🔗

Indeed

“Effects of COVID-19” = “Effects of COVID-19 panic”

212354 ▶▶ annie, replying to Tim Bidie, 10, #796 of 1497 🔗

Cue big demo by BLM?

Not bloody likely. Real black lives don’t matter to them.

212364 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to annie, 8, #797 of 1497 🔗

I can’t help thinking BLM is promoted as controlled opposition/useful idiots. Get people worked up about civil rights issues (ie, slavery) that were settled over a century ago, as a distraction from civil rights being taken away from them in the present.

212383 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Cranmer, 2, #798 of 1497 🔗

You would be thinking right.Funded by George Soros and big business

212403 ▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Cranmer, 1, #799 of 1497 🔗

Yes, the left are wilful idiots. They follow all these causes and never stop to think why the media/ establishment and big business are in full support.

212813 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cranmer, 1, #800 of 1497 🔗

Agree with this. BLM is bread and circuses especially for the millenials so they don’t realise that they’re being shafted by this lockdown.

212506 ▶▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to annie, #801 of 1497 🔗

Not in Africa clearly – by the end of this they will have probably killed more than 200 years of slavery ever did. But they live far enough away that it doesn’t matter, apparently.

212535 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Jakehadlee, #802 of 1497 🔗

I saw a video of hundreds of people in Nigeria trying to break into a ware house of food.

212389 ▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Tim Bidie, 6, #803 of 1497 🔗

And we lockdown sceptics are the selfish ones? The virtue signallers go silent when faces with these horrific numbers.

212427 ▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 6, #804 of 1497 🔗

Exactly. I now have a visceral hatred of pro-lockdown people. The like of which I’ve never ever had before. How can they see stuff like this and still support lockdown measures?

212501 ▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to Tim Bidie, #805 of 1497 🔗

And meanwhile fewer people than last year died of respiratory illness in October.

212378 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 21, #806 of 1497 🔗

The first person under 20 has died with Covid in my area. 9 months into this. The depth of people’s thinking is still a shock to me.

To read people I used to respect post on their social parody accounts that this now validates every anti lockdown argument put forward over that time as tin foil hat and their near psychotic levels of fear throughout have been vindicated.

They have their martyr now. No need to think again. This was what they wanted and so can now bask in messages of thoughts and prayers.

Never been more cynical of people iny life, and that’s saying something

212406 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #807 of 1497 🔗

Well said and extreme sympathy to the young person’s family.

212408 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #808 of 1497 🔗

Very sad for the family of course. I have to ask though, with or from?

212430 ▶▶ dhpaul, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #809 of 1497 🔗

You would think no person under 20 ever died

212846 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to dhpaul, #810 of 1497 🔗

My niece died at age 10. Heart defect. Last attempt to mend killed her. Tragic, but that’s how life works. Too bad we can’t convince other people of that.

212485 ▶▶ matt, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #811 of 1497 🔗

I’m with my mother at the moment, who’s a GP in the north east. There is (at least as of a few days ago) apparently a 19 year old in ICU with Covid in the Newcastle trust, with no obvious co-morbitities.

“That kind of thing is going to happen occasionally. It doesn’t change anything.”

212493 ▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #812 of 1497 🔗

Someone in my school died of flu at 18. Shit happens.

212582 ▶▶ David McCluskey, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #813 of 1497 🔗

The sham outpouring of grief after the tragic death of Di Windsor in 1997 was a defining moment for me that made me realise there are two different sub-species of homo-sapiens in the UK.

213035 ▶▶▶ chris c, replying to David McCluskey, #814 of 1497 🔗

Science has been replaced by The Science

Facts have been replaced by The Narrative

Emotions have been replaced by sentimentality

212393 flyingjohn, replying to flyingjohn, 5, #815 of 1497 🔗

Dr Mike Yeadon has categorically stated and explained why viruses to do not behave as waves. He has stated clearly that there is no ‘second wave’. So have other eminent scientists. But SAGE, in particular, Patrick Valance continue to talk up the ‘second wave’. So do all the MSM, all of them helpfully parroting the government and scientists lingo of ‘second wave more dangerous than the first etc.

Yeadon and Ivor Cummins say the pandemic is over. Yeadon says that he and Valance had similar education and training worked together while studying and if he (Yeadon) knows it’s a scam, then Valance definitely does too.

So why is Valance lying? And why does Johnson not know or even suspect this or what Valance’s motives could be? (Hint: Valance was a director of GSK and still holds approx £60K of shares and if GSK succeed in making a vaccine, they and Valance would make a fortune).

212398 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to flyingjohn, #816 of 1497 🔗

Indeed

viruses to do not behave as waves

212410 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to flyingjohn, 1, #817 of 1497 🔗

600k and he is a former director

212421 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to flyingjohn, 2, #818 of 1497 🔗

Isn’t this just semantics? Presumably Yeadon doesn’t deny the seasonality of flu. One could reasonably say that we have waves of flu – peaks and troughs. Likewise with mutations, variations, strains, separate classes of virus and “novel” pathogens…again semantics as to how you classify them.

212466 ▶▶▶ Crazy Times, replying to OKUK, #819 of 1497 🔗

He doesn’t deny it, however, influenza mutates quickly, coronaviruses don’t. Listen to his podcast with James Delingpole, where goes into a lot of detail around this.

212404 Exiled off mainstreet, replying to Exiled off mainstreet, 12, #820 of 1497 🔗

Sometimes I just find the depression overwhelming what with autumn darkness, the regime demanding we live with them trying to smother us with a pillow, i.e, the face nappies, and all avenues of diversion being closed off. What is also depressing is how people just take it. If the residents of Victoria province in Australia had any cojones, they would have risen up against the obvious stasi regime. It is all a sort of Stockholm syndrome with people accepting everything the regime shoves down their throat. It has been obvious for months that it is all a load of bollocks.

212419 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Exiled off mainstreet, 1, #821 of 1497 🔗

Bit off topic, but I wanted to recommend a day light lamp if you suffer with the dark days. A very good investment.

212541 ▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to Exiled off mainstreet, 1, #822 of 1497 🔗

Haven’t there been protests in Victoria?

212621 ▶▶ annie, replying to Exiled off mainstreet, 2, #823 of 1497 🔗

People on the Continent are rising up. It’s happening.
Meanwhile, make the most of daylight hours, go out, breathe some clear crisp autumn air, admire the autumn colours, and keep hope in your heart. You are not alone.

212418 guy153, replying to guy153, 1, #824 of 1497 🔗

There are two schools of thought on the “second wave”– it was already endemic by the summer and this is just a seasonal adjustment, or we actually missed out on some original pandemic death we were owed because of restrictions. Of course it might be both.

My view has always been that it’s mostly the former but I was starting to wonder as we seemed to have too many Covid deaths. The article by Clare Craig explains what’s going on. Definitely read it it’s very compelling!

https://lockdownsceptics.org/how-covid-deaths-are-over-counted/

212441 ▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to guy153, 1, #825 of 1497 🔗

It seems to me that those countries that locked down quickest after the first infection have been relatively hardest hit since. But many of the second wave deaths are fake.

212467 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Yawnyaman, 1, #826 of 1497 🔗

But many of the second wave deaths are fake.

They’re certainly not died of Covid, that’s for sure.

I like Clare Craig; knows her stuff. Been sceptic since way back.

212536 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Yawnyaman, 2, #827 of 1497 🔗

Yes this is what happened in Czechia and Romania (there are probably others).

Everyone locked down at the same time as it had more to do with fashion than anything else. In Spain, Italy, UK, we locked down after the peak so it made little or no difference. In other places, especially Eastern Europe, the epidemic started that bit later, probably because not as many people travel to those places from China.

212420 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #828 of 1497 🔗

https://www.thejournal.ie/dr-nabarro-level-5-5247284-Oct2020/

TLDR WHO official states that Ireland should use the 6 weeks of Level 5 lockdown to set in place measures to avoid future lockdowns, but doesn’t elaborate on what such measures should be.

212448 ▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to Ewan Duffy, 3, #829 of 1497 🔗

exterminating the entire population?

212463 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to 6097 Smith W, #830 of 1497 🔗

That could work.

212472 ▶▶ Crazy Times, replying to Ewan Duffy, 2, #831 of 1497 🔗

Ah, for glory days when we started out with this and it was all going to be over in 2 weeks.

212554 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Crazy Times, #832 of 1497 🔗

That’s what Bojo thought before he got his hands on a BLOODY big shovel.

212586 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #833 of 1497 🔗

The measures will be exactly the same as those in Level 5 lockdown, but given some fancy new nursery school name.

212422 Sir Patrick Vaccine, 7, #834 of 1497 🔗

Mark Dolan: “If you think you’re going to cancel Christmas, you can get stuffed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTpFFioXgwA

Mark Dolan says a national lockdown in December is the final straw.

“We’ve heard from many older listeners that they may have just one or two Christmases left to enjoy with their family. If you think you’re going to cancel Christmas… you can get stuffed”.

Mark has had enough of “fearmongering and spin” and says Barrington Declaration scientists should not be called “conspiracy theory nut jobs”.

“We’ve been taken on a damaging rollercoaster and have every right through an honest debate… to say I want to get off” .

212429 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 12, #835 of 1497 🔗

OMG. Maureen Eames is a retired doctor!!!!
Eat that one Sarah Jarvis.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/gran-named-maureen-convinced-covid-22898424

212462 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #836 of 1497 🔗

Headline says she ‘backs Boris on lockdown’. Story says the opposite. Bless the MSM.

212464 ▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #837 of 1497 🔗

She is a legend. & what she say’s is very true.
But, looking at the comments against her on that article from the gullible sheeple, it is going to take more than just Maureen to turn the tide.

Some of the comments are outrageous, & clearly from the “scared of the virus sheep brigade”

212719 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to AnotherSceptic, 1, #838 of 1497 🔗

“scared of the virus sheep brigade”

Quite likely the SS (77th) brigade.

212671 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #839 of 1497 🔗

Brilliant reveal. Pluck kept quiet is something to behold. I respect the order of Maureen – decent person first doctor 2nd.

212431 sky_trees, replying to sky_trees, 3, #840 of 1497 🔗

So with the EU leaders announcing various lockdowns, are we expecting the Clown of Doom to follow suit? I hope there is a way out of this. Maybe it is simple civil disobedience. But businesses cannot simply stay open when mandated to close.

(of course, not EVERYWHERE is locking down. But the way the papers report it, it appears like they are).

boris has an opportunity to lead a different way here. Foolish me, I still have hope for the libertarian anti woke proud Brit he appeared to be at the start.

212446 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to sky_trees, 3, #841 of 1497 🔗

The lights are going out across Europe…

212508 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to OKUK, #842 of 1497 🔗

At one point it looked like most European countries were going to lead the way back to sanity, back in the summer.

212546 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to OKUK, 1, #843 of 1497 🔗

I think they have already gone out.

212452 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to sky_trees, #844 of 1497 🔗

I wasn’t expecting him to hold out this long. But I too hang in to hope.

212520 ▶▶ John P, replying to sky_trees, 3, #845 of 1497 🔗

Johnson has always been an idiot. I’m not a Londoner but even I can remember the “Garden Bridge” farce he was behind.

“The Garden Bridge Trust formally announced on 14 August 2017 that it would be ending the project and that the Garden Bridge Trust itself would be wound up in accordance with the Companies Acts. The failed project cost £53m, including £43m of public money .” (wikipedia).

Johnson is not a libertarian and he never has been . He covers his authoritarian personality with clownishness and people fall for it.

The useless good for nothing is destroying this country. The wretched man belongs in a prison.

212570 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to John P, 1, #846 of 1497 🔗

As Hitchens points out, Johnsons’s a Bohemian, not a Libertarian.

212912 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Julian, #847 of 1497 🔗

I’ve a better word for him, but I’m too polite.

212529 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to sky_trees, 8, #848 of 1497 🔗

Riots in Prague, public burning of masks in Vienna, protests in Berlin, Madrid and Barcelona, Spanish doctors on strike over Covid regs, and just about evry town of any size in Italy seeing mass protests, sometimes violent. Rome, Naples, Milan, Turin. In Trieste the riot police sided with the protesters.

212532 ▶▶▶ RyanM, replying to Londo Mollari, 4, #849 of 1497 🔗

wow. I wish that would happen, here…

Then again, maybe I will get my wish. We shall see in about 6 days, right?

(I am setting myself up for severe disappointment. Back in march, in response to masks, I said “there is no fucking way that Americans will ever go for this.” And I was very wrong. I may wake up next week to a president Biden as well, and I shouldn’t be surprised by the cowardice of my fellow citizens.)

212835 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to RyanM, #850 of 1497 🔗

I have to stay off Facebook. My American friends are all Biden/mask supporters. There’s no way to penetrate the brainwashing. They think that everyone who is anti-lockdown is a rigntwing nutcase.

212550 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #851 of 1497 🔗

Strange that it isn’t reported in our MSM.

212432 calchas, replying to calchas, 3, #852 of 1497 🔗

Prime Minister of Queensland ‘injected’

But the cap is stillon -video.

https://twitter.com/KEV26105/status/1319974552999546880

212455 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to calchas, 1, #853 of 1497 🔗

Nah! That’s the redo, I’m afraid; the press guys missed the first one. The real video is in a link in the comments further down.

The Khan ‘fake’ is real, though, if that helps.

212435 matt, replying to matt, 5, #854 of 1497 🔗

I’ve only just realised, but Hancock based his whole test and trace strategy on the works of the philosopher, Tom Lehrer

I love my friends and they love me
We’re just as close as we can be
And just because we really care
Whatever we get, we share!
I got it from Agnes
She got it from Jim
We all agree it must have been
Louise who gave it to him
Now, she got it from Harry
Who got it from Marie
And everybody knows that Marie
Got it from me
Giles got it from Daphne
She got it from Joan
Who picked it up in County Cork
A-kissin’ the Blarney Stone
Pierre gave it to Sheila
Who must have brought it there
He got it from Francois and Jacques
A-ha!
Lucky Pierre!
Max got it from Edith
Who gets it every spring
She got it from her Daddy
Who just gives her everything
She then gave it to Daniel
Whose spaniel has it now
Our dentist even got it
And we’re still wondering how
Ah, but I got it from Agnes
Or maybe it was Sue
Or Millie or Billie or Gillie or Willie
It doesn’t matter who
It might have been at the club
Or at the pub, or in the loo
And if you will be my friend
Then I might
Mind you, I said, “might”
Give it to you!

212449 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to matt, 3, #855 of 1497 🔗

I offered to sing that at a friend’s wedding. The offer was refused. Humourless twit

212473 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #856 of 1497 🔗

Some people are so bloody sensitive.

212543 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to matt, 1, #857 of 1497 🔗

And in denial.

212476 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to matt, 3, #858 of 1497 🔗

The great, the wonderful, Tom. We need satirists of his calibre so badly now………

212687 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to matt, 1, #859 of 1497 🔗

One of my very very few heroes. I’ve got his song book and the black humour still makes me laugh out loud.

Of course it would be banned by the Thought Police now, in these dismal times

212716 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to matt, 1, #860 of 1497 🔗

I was brought up on Tom Lehrer!
When my Dad was dying and pretty much out of it, we turned off the gentle music the home had put on for him and played him Poisoning Pigeons and My Home Town instead.

212440 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 7, #861 of 1497 🔗

Just in case Jon Sopel or Robert Moore forget to mention it, people might be interested to know that Trump is one point ahead of Biden in the latest US poll (from Rasmussen, who were giving Biden a 12 point lead only two weeks ago).

212443 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to OKUK, 7, #862 of 1497 🔗

loathe Trump… would love to see the bugger win

212451 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #863 of 1497 🔗

Entire a question of who one loathes the most isn’t it.

212471 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to leggy, 3, #864 of 1497 🔗

Given that the American political system has produced a binary choice between two geriatrics that would have shamed the Soviet communist party in the 80s… yeah.

212514 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #865 of 1497 🔗

Andropov vs Chernenko

212699 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to leggy, #866 of 1497 🔗

Isn’t that how elections always work?

212609 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #867 of 1497 🔗

Yes, I’m literally praying for a Trump victory … through clenched teeth!

212679 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to annie, 3, #868 of 1497 🔗

Yep, you don’t have to love the guy to be horrified that there has been an unprecedented, illegitimate and often illegal, unconstitutional four plus years campaign to prevent and then cancel his election, his inauguration and his presidency.

213051 ▶▶▶▶ chris c, replying to annie, #869 of 1497 🔗

There’s a lot of us about

212469 ▶▶ matt, replying to OKUK, 1, #870 of 1497 🔗

Said it before – whatever the apparent result next week, prepare yourself for a court battle. We are not going to know the result by the end of next week.

212486 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to OKUK, 3, #871 of 1497 🔗

Legendary bond king, Jeffrey Gundlach, has not changed his stance – still calling a Trump win, and disputing both the polls and the betting odds.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/gundlach-trump-will-win-next-week-because-polls-are-designed-create-impressions

213076 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #872 of 1497 🔗

Now why would anyone dispute polls? 🙂

212492 ▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to OKUK, 7, #873 of 1497 🔗

Trump will win and Trump will lead the world out of this ridiculous scamdemic.

212701 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Harry hopkins, 2, #874 of 1497 🔗

I hope you’re right!

212823 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Harry hopkins, #875 of 1497 🔗

Don’t pin your hopes on Trump. It’s like the people who think that the whole virus thing has been devised as a way to screw up the US elections. Egomania at its finest, as is the American way (I’m an American/British dual citizen btw).

212562 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to OKUK, 1, #876 of 1497 🔗

The closer pollsters get to the real polls, the more they need to reflect reality if they are to retain any credibility for the future. If we were close to any kind of election here, those polls re lockdown would look very different.

212572 ▶▶ Nottingham69, replying to OKUK, #877 of 1497 🔗

Most of the non MSM polls have Trump ahead now, where he needs to win.

212444 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 7, #878 of 1497 🔗

2 fictional but plausible conversations and demonstrates how far we have fallen

Oct 2019 – ring riiinngggg

‘hello’

‘hello auntie’

‘who’s that?’

‘it’s Jenny – how are you auntie’

‘Jenny, hello. Good thanks, oh, do you remember Mr Jenkins at no. 53’

‘Yes, she used to come to the park with us’

‘that’s her, well, poor cow has had the flu, been in bed for 2 weeks. I made her a nice big bowl of Chicken soup and watered her plants. She’s on the mend now’

‘aaah, that’s nice’

Oct 2020

ring riiinngggg

‘hello’

‘hello auntie’

‘who’s that?’

‘it’s Jenny – how are you auntie’

‘Jenny, hello. Good thanks, oh, do you remember Mr Jenkins at no. 53’

‘Yes, she used to come to the park with us’

‘that’s her, well, she’s got the Covid’

‘aaah, run away, do not go anywhere near her and do not come anywhere near me. We are going to die!!!!

‘It’s ok, the Covid police took her away to one of the camps, haven’t seen her since.

Crazy time people, anyhoo I’ve got a fish supper for din dins…..

Stay strong.

212558 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to stefarm, #879 of 1497 🔗

modern moron slaves behave worse to each other than the Owners!

212447 Mabel Cow, replying to Mabel Cow, 11, #880 of 1497 🔗

Just in case anyone is thinking about transcribing Sunetra Gupta’s interview, I’ve just emailed my transcription to Toby.

212691 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #881 of 1497 🔗

Awesome! You’re a star. Thanks

212456 Edward, replying to Edward, 10, #882 of 1497 🔗

Just spent some time on Facebook. A friend (I know him in person, quite a nice guy normally) has a mask in his profile picture and has just set his cover picture (background) to show a sign from somewhere about “wear your mask properly, covering your nose and mouth”. That did it – I haven’t “unfriended” him but I’ve set it so that I don’t see his posts.

Adverts on Facebook – masks, masks, nothing but bloody masks. I’m clicking on each one and setting it so that I don’t see it again, but there are so many. Some people are making millions out of this.

On the positive side, the Facebook group Save Our Rights UK is getting more popular. It’s still primarily anti-mask material but increasingly there are posts about the follies of PCR testing policies, issues in schools, people in dispute with their employers, etc.

212468 ▶▶ Quernus, replying to Edward, 13, #883 of 1497 🔗

I report all ads on FB for masks, etc as offensive/misleading, etc. Every little helps 😉

212474 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Quernus, 1, #884 of 1497 🔗

I clicked on “repetitive” as my reason for blocking. “Offensive/misleading” is stronger but if I did that a lot my account might be suspended – which could be a badge of honour.

212664 ▶▶ John Smith, replying to Edward, 1, #885 of 1497 🔗

‘Unfriend’ him…

His troubles are only in front of him.

212458 2 pence, replying to 2 pence, 6, #886 of 1497 🔗

Interesting :

The same Chinese dissident group who released the Hunter/Joe Biden leaks – are now claiming to have dirt on former British Prime Minister David Cameron, his family AND current PM Boris Johnson!!! And those leaks may be coming in the near future!!!

https://twitter.com/DystopianEarth/status/1321433171972497408

212512 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to 2 pence, 3, #887 of 1497 🔗

If you’ve been following the Biden story, this has a ring of authenticity about it. I recall Osborne giving a nuclear power contract – Hinckley – to the Beijing regime.

212539 ▶▶▶ 2 pence, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #888 of 1497 🔗

I did see something on ZeroHedge.
So much is going on, I just can`t keep track of it all 🙂

212459 Mr Dee, 16, #889 of 1497 🔗

Just got this email from my mate in Rhyl:

Just spoke to my niece who said this:
Also a girl from work, her dad sent off for a test due to work , he hadn’t even sent it off and the track and trace rang him saying who have you been in contact with as he had a text message saying it was positive! Test was still at home

212507 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #891 of 1497 🔗

Must read, even if you’re not ready for it all.

212470 RickH, replying to RickH, 13, #892 of 1497 🔗

Just watched the Jonathan Sumption lecture.

An object study in forensic clarity. A must watch.

212487 ▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 8, #893 of 1497 🔗

He doesn’t hold back either. It is anything but a rant, but he lays into the government, both their actions and motives, very heavily. It’s clear he has no respect for them.

212502 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to RickH, 5, #894 of 1497 🔗

Yes, a sumptuously cogent exposure and deconstruction of the unlawfulness, under the Public Health Acts at least, and general inadvisability of lockdowns. Come on people, we must not allow our voice to be silenced!

212620 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to RickH, 1, #895 of 1497 🔗

Absolutely. He lives round the corner from me. During the early madness another sceptical neighbour suggested we should be clapping outside his door on Thursday evenings!

212652 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to Adamb, 1, #896 of 1497 🔗

Adam – you and I are practically neighbours, from the sound of things

212678 ▶▶▶▶ Adamb, replying to matt, #897 of 1497 🔗

Pint in the Richard 1 sometime??

212683 ▶▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Adamb, #898 of 1497 🔗

Sure. I haven’t quite got over my grief for the Union though.

212693 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Adamb, replying to matt, #899 of 1497 🔗

Yep, very visible sign of the times. They did a fine burger, too. Any idea if there’s a pm function here?

213096 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Adamb, #900 of 1497 🔗

You need to log into the forums and then there is.

212475 Mike, replying to Mike, 4, #901 of 1497 🔗

If anyone wants to see the ignorance and bile which spews out of the mindless sheeple then look no further than this rag…article previously linked below, but the really interesting bit is the comments. For people who are supposed to be so caring and empathetic these morons seem to be mightily hateful and downright nasty.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/gran-named-maureen-convinced-covid-22898424#comments-section

Just bear in mind these are the people who would quite happily lock up anyone up who goes against the narrative or even just questions it!!

212484 ▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to Mike, 7, #902 of 1497 🔗

Mirror though – readers are the left wing working class, so literally the stupidest people in Britain. Or at least tied with Guardian readers. They will be the old Nazis who go to their grave unable to accept they were wrong.

212491 ▶▶▶ Mike, replying to Jakehadlee, 5, #903 of 1497 🔗

Fair point. However, still startling the hatred on display. I do think this year has been very good at highlighting that the ‘caring left’ couldn’t careless about much! Horrid people.

212649 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jakehadlee, 2, #904 of 1497 🔗

There are some pretty nasty right wing middle class types who comment in the DT and Spectator.
As my Mum would have said – takes all sorts.

212489 ▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Mike, 9, #905 of 1497 🔗

I read them also & posted the same thing about the comments.
They are indeed downright nasty. It just shows that the government propaganda machine has done it’s job of turning people against each other through fear of the common flu virus.
I hope Maureen sues the paper for slander (the daily shitter) for allowing such hateful comments against her.

I back Maureen. She talks proper sense & I recommend that you watch her & her husband Mike on GMB last Friday, Mike got that smug cow Dr Sarah Jarvis told.

212490 ▶▶ John P, replying to Mike, 4, #906 of 1497 🔗

Their comment threads aren’t like the Mail threads though. Most of their comment likes – in their thousands – are strongly anti-lockdown.

212807 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to John P, 1, #907 of 1497 🔗

The traditional Right / Left division isn’t that useful on this front.
There is a substantial pro freedom/ agency for the elderly/ look at the actual facts ranging from Delingpole through Toby Young to the likes of Spiked.

Then there are the Covid Nazis, again ranging from Right to left but encompassing all those who think the state should have complete control of the individual in perpetuity.
Establishment types, most of the health & education bureaucracy, the unions and a fair number of the corporate elite, Melanie phillips to the standard Lefty education unions.

Good article here on who will be able to hold their head up once it is over:
https://www.aier.org/article/who-deserves-your-trust-in-the-covid-debate/

212606 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mike, 1, #908 of 1497 🔗

Awful website. Who spends time commenting on the Daily Mirror anway

212643 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #909 of 1497 🔗

The awful people who read it?

212670 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #910 of 1497 🔗

I reckon that it is good to attack the misguided with hard facts – not that it will necessary win them over, but the dozen or more just skimming through and not in the dog fight might take some of the facts on board. But, of course, you shouldn’t waste much time with the SS (77th) brigade charlatans.

212477 Silke David, 2, #911 of 1497 🔗

At this rate we will have reached 1 mill +tests at the weekend.

Say your goodbyes, try to enjoy life for 2 more days.
I can see the headlines now.

212478 Old Normal, replying to Old Normal, 3, #912 of 1497 🔗
212531 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Old Normal, 4, #913 of 1497 🔗

Nothing surprises me any more apart from normality when I very occasionally happen upon it.

212615 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Old Normal, 1, #914 of 1497 🔗

Wow!!!!

212488 Nic, replying to Nic, 4, #915 of 1497 🔗

I wish SAGE who are a bunch of left wing twats , would fuck off

212500 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Nic, 8, #916 of 1497 🔗

I don’t think they’re left or right wing, they’re just twats.

212494 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 8, #917 of 1497 🔗

X: Why are you wearing face nappies OUTSIDE in the fresh air?

Hospital Trust: Hi X. Staff are required to always wear a mask in our hospitals and when moving between different areas. They kindly popped out for a photograph before heading straight back in the hospital to continue working.

X: Presumably the muzzles are glued to their faces for the day?

212497 ▶▶ John P, replying to Cheezilla, 16, #918 of 1497 🔗

Gross. Masks always give me the creeps.

212809 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to John P, 1, #919 of 1497 🔗

I’m glad it’s not just me.

212499 ▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Cheezilla, 17, #920 of 1497 🔗

Stupid gullible cunts.

212564 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to AnotherSceptic, 1, #921 of 1497 🔗

Power of 3

212709 ▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to AnotherSceptic, 2, #922 of 1497 🔗

Eloquent and erudite and so very very true

212503 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Cheezilla, 12, #923 of 1497 🔗

Ridiculous virtue-signalling idiots.

212566 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #924 of 1497 🔗

Power of 3

212515 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Cheezilla, 9, #925 of 1497 🔗

Snivelling conformists

212526 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #926 of 1497 🔗

Takes 7 people in face nappies to plant a sapling in a pot?

212534 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Cheezilla, 3, #927 of 1497 🔗

Yes, they are experts and advisers.

212557 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #928 of 1497 🔗

And that was probably only after a meeting to discuss how to do it …

212603 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to kh1485, 4, #929 of 1497 🔗

And the sapling was tested and came out negative, will be retested after planting, come out positive, wither and die, and be counted as a Covviedeath.

212878 ▶▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to annie, 1, #930 of 1497 🔗

Will NOBODY think of the saplings?

212567 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #931 of 1497 🔗

What a strange propaganda piece – I guess it ties together the environment and NHS, two of the establishments favourite tools for manipulating the masses. Look like soulless zombies.

212605 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Darryl, 2, #932 of 1497 🔗

The NHS seems to be largely manned, and wholly managed, by soulless zombies.

212672 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #933 of 1497 🔗

Maybe the masks should be nailed on ? Just to be sure they don’t come off – am only half joking here people wearing the anti clean air gags indoors is bad enough. I do actually feel physically sick at the sight of them everywhere.

212713 ▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to KBuchanan, 1, #934 of 1497 🔗

Welded to a bolt passing through the ears

212743 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #935 of 1497 🔗

WTF???

212800 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #936 of 1497 🔗

And they all look so happy

212495 Basics, replying to Basics, 13, #937 of 1497 🔗

“Italians uprising against their socialist government and the Coronavirus lockdown measures are now in its 5th day, this is Ravenna tonight Flag of Italy ”

https://mobile.twitter.com/IAmTommy1990/status/1321195345448210432

Short clip big crowd.

212498 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Basics, 10, #938 of 1497 🔗

Italy is beginning to give me hope.

212530 ▶▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #939 of 1497 🔗

1989 all over again? The Berlin Wall came down on 9th November…

212556 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to nocheesegromit, 6, #940 of 1497 🔗

I believe they are taking issue more with financial support (state bribes) rather than the issue of freedom, individual choice and a completely corrupt ruling system.

Unless people understand they are effectively being enslaved by a technocratic elite in the name of a nasty but far from plague like virus they won’t win. Mass non-compliance to rules is the route to victory.

212542 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Basics, 3, #941 of 1497 🔗

Ravenna, capital of the Western empire, seat of the Exarchate, site of the most important architectural monuments of Christian antiquity. One day, I should like to visit.

212504 Now More Than Ever, replying to Now More Than Ever, 17, #942 of 1497 🔗

I’m genuinely staggered that my own usually supine local authority, Kirklees, actually appears to be showing slight signs of growing a pair.

Kirklees is one of the five West Yorks local authorities now in talks with the government over entering Tier 3, and has “unanimously” rejected the idea on the grounds that – I quote – “we have not seen the evidence that closing pubs and bars will directly impact on infection rates”, “we’re concerned about mental health – preventing people from visiting each other’s gardens will be a big blow during what is already a very difficult time” and “we do not feel comfortable agreeing to enter Tier 3 without any indication of how we get out of these restrictions or how long they will last”.

Doesn’t mean we still won’t end up there, of course, and cynically I wonder if this is just posturing so that when we do end up in Tier 3 they can say “we did our best”.

Anyway, I’ve just e-mailed the leader of the Council with a rallying cry urging him to keep this up.

212518 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Now More Than Ever, 1, #943 of 1497 🔗

Wow. Thanks for this. Will write too.

212522 ▶▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #944 of 1497 🔗
212537 ▶▶▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to Now More Than Ever, 2, #945 of 1497 🔗

May actually be a good thing that WY doesn’t have an elected mayor. No-one to do a Jarvis and act on behalf of the whole metro region.

212590 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Now More Than Ever, #946 of 1497 🔗

Demanding an exit strategy first might win them some more political allies too.

212587 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Now More Than Ever, 1, #947 of 1497 🔗

We’re urging the Government to give us more resources to build on this.

Hmmmmm!
Not entirely sure I trust them. When we were put into the first local mockdown several moons ago, Jason MP argued for the South to be kept out but it was the local council leaders who pushed for the whole area to be locked down – “for fairness’ sake”!
Jason extracated us for a couple of weeks but then Tier 2 came along.

Lots of testing going on. DS has had to be tested twice in three weeks. Negative each time, so not a statistic but still has to take time off work to quarantine. The T&T fiasco is crippling local industry, keeping kids out of school and putting serious strain on relationships.

212604 ▶▶▶▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #948 of 1497 🔗

I know, but just trust that any move to put more testing in the hands of local
councils won’t make it any worse as it couldn’t BE any worse. It’ll carry on falling apart.

212505 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #949 of 1497 🔗

.

212553 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #950 of 1497 🔗

A group of moron slaves wearing muzzles!

212592 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #951 of 1497 🔗

I see the vegetables are doing all right there!

212600 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to IanE, 7, #952 of 1497 🔗

You mean the ones in the masks, of course.

212513 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #953 of 1497 🔗

Wonder what the dirt will be on Johnson and Cameron? Enough to get them put away?

https://twitter.com/DystopianEarth/status/1321433171972497408

Same guys who are dumping Hunter Biden’s laptop data.

212540 ▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #954 of 1497 🔗

Treason. Get the lampposts ready

212516 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 4, #956 of 1497 🔗

Not wishing to be rude, but is there really a need for that comment at the top to be pinned?

Pinned comments are usually important messages, or a links to FAQs, for example.

212519 ▶▶ matt, replying to Ceriain, 4, #957 of 1497 🔗

Oh, I wondered if I’d done it to my own page by accident.

212545 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Ceriain, #958 of 1497 🔗

Ha – thought it was a gremlin!

212575 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ceriain, #959 of 1497 🔗

Presume it was accidental.

212524 RyanM, replying to RyanM, 1, #960 of 1497 🔗
212563 ▶▶ Julian, replying to RyanM, 2, #961 of 1497 🔗

What’s happened to the Danish RCT?

212588 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Julian, #962 of 1497 🔗

Shhh! You’ll disturb the deathly silence!

212607 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to RyanM, 1, #963 of 1497 🔗

So surprising how so many dodgy papers get fast tracked through peer review, yet the large Danish trial to determine the efficacy of face masks is rejected.

212527 TJN, 7, #964 of 1497 🔗

Latest email to my MP:

Dear Mr Cox,
Two comments – one from a former Attorney General, the other from a former Supreme Court Judge – on the government’s covid-19 response:

‘I hope you will agree that there would rightly have been criticism of the Government if it ignored the guidance of … [The Science] … and took decisions based on political expediency.’
Geoffrey Cox MP, letter to TJN, constituent, 16 June 2020

‘There is not, and never has been an exit plan or anything that can be described as a long-term strategy – only a series of expedients.’
Lord Sumption, Cambridge Freshfields Annual Law Lecture, 27 October 2020.

Yours till next time,
A former Conservative voter.

212528 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #965 of 1497 🔗

For those religious minded on here. And anyone in fact. As religious freedom is now attacked under cover of covid an Irish Catholic priest speaks out

https://youtu.be/ZNsS4eYBjDI

212571 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #966 of 1497 🔗

Powerful speech. It’s about time the Churches spoke up. Nothing stopped them from sermonising politics in the past!

I would suggest that Jesus meant that you can’t love your neighbour if you don’t love yourself. That’s where forgiveness begins.

Those sheeple shufflng round in their face nappies, unable to look anyone in the eye, because they are so scared of the phantom killer that they have lost love of life.
Those others, wearing muzzles for fear of getting into trouble, have self-worth issues that preclude love of self.

When your self-esteem is strong, you’re able to radiate love to others. Hence the importance of holding your unmuzzled face high and smiling at people.

212624 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #967 of 1497 🔗

Well said.

212647 ▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #968 of 1497 🔗

Yep that’s an excellent message Cheezilla.
I have self worth issues in terms of the dating scene but when it comes to this farce, I am proud to still be free and without a shred of fear dictating my choices.

212722 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #969 of 1497 🔗

Hear, hear!!! I did tell Mr Bart that I couldn’t look at him in the eye when we’re in a public transport because with his scarf he does look dead behind the eyes.

212538 John P, replying to John P, 13, #970 of 1497 🔗

Some timely inspirational words from James Melville on twitter:

“Never be bullied into silence. Never allow yourself to be made a victim. No one ever owns your opinions. Courage is fire, and bullying is smoke. And one one can make you feel inferior without your consent.”

212871 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to John P, #971 of 1497 🔗

I outed myself as a supporter of the GBD at work last week. My colleagues (humanities academics) greeted it with silence. But I had broken my silence on the topic.

212547 Gillian, replying to Gillian, 18, #972 of 1497 🔗

My GOD, we’ve just had Carl Heneghan on the BBC 1 6 o’clock news. Could the tide be turning?

212561 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Gillian, #973 of 1497 🔗

What did he say?

212568 ▶▶▶ Gillian, replying to Julian, 14, #974 of 1497 🔗

Covid deaths and Covid hospitalisations are not the whole picture. We have to look at excess deaths and compare admissions for respiratory illness from previous years against the current hospitalisations.

212577 ▶▶▶▶ Nottingham69, replying to Gillian, 1, #975 of 1497 🔗

Perfect sense as you would expect.

212580 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Gillian, 2, #976 of 1497 🔗

Woah! What’s going on?!

212585 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to A. Contrarian, 6, #977 of 1497 🔗

Don’t fret: it’s just a bit of tokenism so the plug isn’t pulled to flush Beeb round the bend, where it so richly deserves to be sent!

Normal service will be rapidly restored.

212591 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to IanE, 3, #978 of 1497 🔗

Well the only people who could pull the plug are the government, and they won’t want Heneghan on

212548 Voz 0db, 1, #979 of 1497 🔗

How We Know Immunity Lasts – Whatever Imperial Says

Since they now claim that there is no such thing as natural herd immunity, only artificial infection of animals via vaccines create herd immunity, those ordered numbers are just another way to push into a Bill Gates GAVI vaccine!

Deaths Above Average – But It’s Not Just Covid

All those “covid” deaths (in reality we have zero “covid” deaths) are the direct result of the Spring Open Hunting Governmental Season.

Repeat the Hunting Season, and the graphs will plot the same!

212560 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 2, #980 of 1497 🔗

Ivor Cummings on Richie Allen now

212648 ▶▶ Basics, replying to stefarm, #981 of 1497 🔗

Thanks

212673 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Basics, #982 of 1497 🔗

Well worth a listen, some interesting tit bits

212574 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 4, #984 of 1497 🔗

So what we knew all along. The pubs will not be reopening on the 9th

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-54719988

212578 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Cecil B, 1, #985 of 1497 🔗

Doubtless Drakeford will be clamouring for more money from mean old Westminster.

212596 ▶▶ annie, replying to Cecil B, 1, #986 of 1497 🔗

Comments are strongly sceptical and solidly upticked.

212617 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to annie, #987 of 1497 🔗

Good to see isn’t it? Such a refreshing change from March.

212594 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #988 of 1497 🔗

Radio 4 PM tonight; item on vitamin D, reasonably positive, I cannot recall the name of the person being interviewed but i think they were from Queens University and part of the coronavit trial;
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/coronavirus-vitamin-d-trial-queen-mary-university-london-b1014877.html

Evidence mixed so far but generally veers towards a +ve role for vitamin D with regard to respiratory diseases
Pleased to say the the interviewer did have the nous to ask; would taking a daily dose of vitamin D do any harm? the answer was absolutely not and may well do you some good even if they are still gathering evidence as to how much good. I had not realized that the Government does currently advocate taking vitamin D supplements, why are they not publicizing this? and given all the other cash swimming about, whey are they not issuing vitamin D tablets around the country?
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/phe-publishes-new-advice-on-vitamin-d

212613 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Steve Martindale, #989 of 1497 🔗

My father’s doctor recommended he take Vit D years ago, as he has a chest/lung complaint. He’s still going strong…

212735 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #990 of 1497 🔗

Because vaccine.

212742 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #991 of 1497 🔗

Just make sure to take Vitamin K2 along with the D. I also take far more Vitamin D than the RDA as I’ve had my D level checked in the past and it’s been very low. And now that we can’t get D from sunlight, everyone is deficient. The RDA of 1,000 iu is way too low IMHO; I take 8,000 iu per day.

212802 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, #992 of 1497 🔗

I’ve taken 4000 iu per day every winter for years. A more modest amount, perhaps, but works for me. Just got tuned into the Vit K2 thing and doing that now, although I’ve also found that lots of fresh greens, like Swiss chard have tons of K.

213101 ▶▶▶▶ chris c, replying to ConstantBees, #993 of 1497 🔗

Not everyone can successfully convert K1 to K2 though. K2 is found in natto but that’s too stinky for me, the capsules hardly taste at all

212597 annie, replying to annie, 17, #994 of 1497 🔗

https://unredacted.co.uk/2020/10/28/the-big-reset-violence-erupts-in-europe-over-new-lockdown-measures/

If this is true, the backlash may be beginning.
And not before bloody time.

212599 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to annie, 5, #995 of 1497 🔗

As sure as day follows night, Annie. This has been on the cards since Day One.

212608 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, 4, #996 of 1497 🔗

Great find Annie, our Latin cousins boil over; Macron and that German woman threaten self destruction* while hospitals are only 40% full !

*A. Hitler ‘my only aim is to not capitulate’. Mein Kampf.

212618 ▶▶ leggy, replying to annie, 2, #997 of 1497 🔗

Well worth signing up to their mailing list.

212598 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 12, #998 of 1497 🔗

I admit that I do not like Christmas; people spending money they haven’t got, on people they don’t like, who don’t want anything anyway but now we are faced with morons who think putting up decorations before the end of October is “going to cheer everybody up” while thousands of people lose their jobs, business going bust,people losing their homes, etc etc.
Please save us from these SAD gits.

212602 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Fingerache Philip., 6, #999 of 1497 🔗

Its a sign of rebellion now

212610 Linda B, 14, #1000 of 1497 🔗

I have just looked at the Julia Hartley Brewer interview with professor Paul Elliott – He was an embarrassment to his profession — I am cringing for him. And weeping for us that such a person is allowed a voice —

212611 Old Normal, replying to Old Normal, 4, #1001 of 1497 🔗

https://mobile.twitter.com/carlheneghan/status/1321517565366226944

Carl Heneghan just posted the above. A link to the gov website with a PCR paper.

Definitely worth a look.

213031 ▶▶ Helen, replying to Old Normal, #1002 of 1497 🔗

Old Normal a question

Ct values are not directly comparable between assays and may not be reported by some RT-PCR platforms in use. Interpreting single positive Ct values for staging infectious course, prognosis, infectivity or as an indicator of recovery must be done with context about the clinical history .

Do you think this mean that….. the result of some PCR tests (in use) are not valid unless the individual is showing symptoms?

212614 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 5, #1003 of 1497 🔗

Does this mean it’s over? This certainly looks to me like the best news I’ve seen in AGES….

https://mobile.twitter.com/carlheneghan/status/1321517565366226944

212627 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Country Mumkin, 3, #1004 of 1497 🔗

The government and SAGE don’t want it to be over, so it probably won’t be.

212653 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1005 of 1497 🔗

At this stage, I’d prefer them to lockdown for 4 weeks, apply the new PCR guidelines and wake up in December when it’s all done. I know we’d love to string all the MPs up by the neck, but right now, I just want this charade to end.

212794 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Country Mumkin, 4, #1006 of 1497 🔗

Be careful what you allow yourself to wish for. If you start to think any restrictions are acceptable in exchange for “freedom” at some future date, the next thing you’ve got is more restrictions. For an indefinite period.

No restrictions. Not now, not ever.

212858 ▶▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to ConstantBees, 1, #1007 of 1497 🔗

yes yes yes

212880 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Alethea, #1008 of 1497 🔗

I know really what I said was unacceptable. But when I feel desperate, I feel like any get out will do.

Bit like when a child BEGS and WHINES and you know you must stick with the no, but you cave, because you’re just so desperate. They beg and whine even harder next time.

212887 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Country Mumkin, #1009 of 1497 🔗

Hello CM. Not ‘unacceptable’ to say – almost anything is acceptable to say.
I totally understand your desperation. Children whine like that BECAUSE IT WORKS!!

212942 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Alethea, #1010 of 1497 🔗

Thanks. I just want to wave the white flag out of desperation….

212646 ▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to Country Mumkin, #1011 of 1497 🔗

If this is right, it is going to be very, VERY useful.

212658 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Now More Than Ever, #1012 of 1497 🔗

How do you interpret it? This surely means the government has an exit strategy.

212675 ▶▶▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #1013 of 1497 🔗

I don’t think it will change anything in the short term, but it certainly gives JHB and others something to bash scientists and MPs over the head with.

212697 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Country Mumkin, #1014 of 1497 🔗

CM, I don’t see what you see in this document. No guidelines, just a sop to try to fend off people asking questions.
I think it is saying
1. We don’t always know what the Ct is. Black box. And that’s fine
2. Higher Ct values might be found at the end of an infectious period, but also pre-symptom presentation, so we will continue to assume the worst.
3. We can’t say a lot about PCR results without clinical context, but we don’t have that for community cases and we’re not going to ever get it. We’ll carry on anyway, because assuming the worst is double plus good

Please someone tell me I am missing something?

212781 ▶▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Charlie Blue, #1015 of 1497 🔗

Thanks. I see what you mean

212808 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Country Mumkin, #1016 of 1497 🔗

No need to thank me, CM! I was hoping someone would tell me I’d got the wrong end of the stick and this heralded our liberation. I am so cynical now I might not recognise good news if it bit be on the bum.

212690 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Country Mumkin, 3, #1017 of 1497 🔗

User CP is a bit of a knob!

Who cares. It’s still a pretty good measure of increasing infection which is now proving to be true in hospitalisations and deaths?? If we did no testing we’d still be seeing same results in hospital wouldn’t we ??????

Err… no, you arse!

Obviously doesn’t know that admissions and death number are also fiddled.

213093 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ceriain, #1018 of 1497 🔗

Indeed. An inquiry would need to be held to go through all ‘deaths’ to unpick the CT values.

And if its used to quarantine anyone it’s legally on shaky ground.

So now that’s established they need to go deeper and look at exactly what is being detected by these tests as in:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1321188173913927680.html

212707 ▶▶ Margaret, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #1019 of 1497 🔗

“ Interpreting single positive Ct values for staging infectious course, prognosis, infectivity or as an indicator of recovery must be done with context about the clinical history”
Have I got this right? An asymptomatic person goes for a PCR test and tests positive. This should not be interpreted as a positive without another test a few days later or without other data such as blood tests or x-rays etc.

About time too.

A couple of months ago, I seem to remember Matt Hancock being challenged in the commons tea room by a fellow MP (Sir Desmond Swayne??). Handjob promised to look into the problems of

212714 ▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to Margaret, 1, #1020 of 1497 🔗

the PCR test. (Twitchy finger) posted too fast. I wonder whether this paper is a result of that challenge.

212623 Suitejb, replying to Suitejb, 25, #1021 of 1497 🔗

Met a friend for lunch in a busy garden centre cafe yesterday. Had to queue to be allocated a table and be instructed on how to order and complete the T&T bit or we couldn’t order. Also told not to touch other people’s pots!!! Why would you?
I can never remember my new phone number so had to put the old one down. My name seemed to have eluded me too.
Friend arrived and we hugged. Little rebellions but it makes me feel better.

212628 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to Suitejb, 3, #1022 of 1497 🔗

Hugs are definitely the warmest defiance!

212667 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Suitejb, 5, #1023 of 1497 🔗

I’ve never been particularly tactile. Except in public and since May or so of this year.

212625 justinErtia, replying to justinErtia, 5, #1024 of 1497 🔗

Talk about criticising where funding comes from. Just take at look at Imperial:
“Imperial is the UK’s number one university collaborator with Chinese research institutions!”
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/about/introducing-imperial/global-imperial/east-asia/china/
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/168535/in-pictures-president-xi-jinping-imperial/

xi-jinping actually visited Imperial.

212665 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to justinErtia, 5, #1025 of 1497 🔗

Always follow the money. It has its own, unique reek.

212710 ▶▶ Geordie Sceptics, replying to justinErtia, 3, #1026 of 1497 🔗

This twitter thread is quite interesting, looks like China was integral to the initial lockdowns that countries jumped on
https://mobile.twitter.com/MichaelPSenger/status/1270925788389486593

212630 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 12, #1027 of 1497 🔗

This is probably a very naive question. But how do all those SAGE prognostications of doom get into the press? Surely it should be written into their contract that they cannot talk to the press, they are not independent scientists but advisors to government with no real power themselves. It’s up to the government to consider their advice and accept or reject it. If they want to set themselves up as independent scientists then surely they should resign their positions first. Is the government happy for them to behave like this? Do they actually have any control over them at all? Or does it suit Hancock et al. just fine when they go spouting their mad predictions of death all over the press?

212633 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to A. Contrarian, 6, #1028 of 1497 🔗

I was wondering about this very point. It’s nothing short of outrageous that these people push, and are allowed to push, their personal views across the MSM.

212663 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1029 of 1497 🔗

I don’t mind them expressing their views, but it must be reported as such. Not a lot to ask.

212635 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #1030 of 1497 🔗

Totally agree. Their off hand pronouncements can end up creating panic, causing distress and perhaps even end up killing people and all without any proper accountability.

212660 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Achilles, 1, #1031 of 1497 🔗

There will be an accounting for this.

212638 ▶▶ matt, replying to A. Contrarian, 6, #1032 of 1497 🔗

It’s a great question. I can’t decide whether I think that SAGE have got so carried away with their own apparent power that they’ve worked out they can use the media to drive government policy, when the government doesn’t agree with them; or whether the government is using SAGE “leaked” advice to drive public opinion to allow policy that otherwise wouldn’t be accepted.

212659 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to matt, 1, #1033 of 1497 🔗

Only smarties a Royal Commission can discover the answers the country needs.

212726 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to matt, 2, #1034 of 1497 🔗

Yes, exactly. It’s been said that BJ has been starting to reject the advice of SAGE after his supposed refusal to lock us all down in September. It seems to me that the govt could stop all this leakage if they wanted to. After all they employ the group, they could sack them or threaten to sack them if they don’t stop leaking. Therefore it seems more likely to me that they fully support SAGE’s actions. The sudden media frenzy today about Christmas and everywhere locking down again and people dying all winter long in the horrific second wave has very much the feel of March. I’ll be extremely surprised if Johnson doesn’t to it once half term is over.

It’s the manipulation and dishonesty that gets to me the most. The insistence on treating us all like children or puppets whose lives, health and happiness don’t matter in the slightest.

212732 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to matt, #1035 of 1497 🔗

A bit of both I would say

Unholy alliance

213136 ▶▶▶▶ chris c, replying to Julian, #1036 of 1497 🔗

Agreed. Then there’s Alternative SAGE who are even worse

212632 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 1, #1037 of 1497 🔗

Anyone know the equivalent site to ONS for France where we can see all cause mortality?

213140 ▶▶ djaustin, replying to Sarigan, #1038 of 1497 🔗

French and many others can be found at http://mortality.org

212634 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 17, #1039 of 1497 🔗

Perhaps the backlash has really begun. Sorry, but it will not be pretty:

NHS worker punched and thrown from Tube train after confronting three people not wearing masks.

Violence is inexcusable, but this is precisely why the #covidsnitch #maskgrass should keep their beaks out of others’ business.

https://twitter.com/EndUKLockdown1/status/1321490166536638464

212644 ▶▶ annie, replying to Nick Rose, 17, #1040 of 1497 🔗

I don’t normally condone physical violence, but in this case I’d have not only cheered, but contributed. I’m not just at the end of my tether, I’ve broken the rope and I’m running free. And dangerous.

212655 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to annie, 12, #1041 of 1497 🔗

I do sense that people have had enough. The tide turned some time ago and, in fairness, I think people have been VERY patient. Even friends who are pro-restrictions are saying it has gone on too long now.

212676 ▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to annie, -8, #1042 of 1497 🔗

Phwoarhhh, tough or what? You feisty young gals eh? Out of interest, what will you do when the man you assault, in the belief that he will not retaliate, confounds your expectations?

212684 ▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to William Gruff, 4, #1043 of 1497 🔗

Nice of you to contribute, William. Don’t believe I’ve seen you around here before. What, exactly have you done recently?

212708 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to matt, 7, #1044 of 1497 🔗

Is his middle name Goat?

212789 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to William Gruff, 2, #1045 of 1497 🔗

Ah, yes, another aggressive type hiding behind his keyboard. Nice to meet you.

213150 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to William Gruff, 2, #1046 of 1497 🔗

I’m a feisty 66, and I would fight back.

212657 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to Nick Rose, 7, #1047 of 1497 🔗

Yep, witnessed a heated argument on the train home from London Bridge tonight, masked man’s eyes bulging out of his head with rage at another unmasked man. Pitiful.

212685 ▶▶ Proudtobeapeasant, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #1048 of 1497 🔗

I’ve just read that story, and my first thought was – “Did the NHS man just assume that the men not wearing masks were not genuinely exempt?” Maybe I’m just not familiar with people on the tube and it’s actually obvious that they weren’t, although all the same, you can’t actually tell if someone’s exempt can you?

212686 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Nick Rose, 7, #1049 of 1497 🔗

This doesn’t surprise me. I’ve long predicted that this was bound to happen.

Whilst I don’t condone violence, this NHS worker got his just desserts. People should learn to mind their own business.

212725 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #1050 of 1497 🔗

Just watched video on the independent website. Incident was nearly a month ago. Plod is clearly having difficulty tracking the attackers down

212737 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #1051 of 1497 🔗

This kind of violence is inevitable, and I’m amazed that there haven’t been more incidents.

We are in a war after all.

212636 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 14, #1052 of 1497 🔗

Prof Piot London School of Hyg Trop Med“In his role of special adviser to the president of the European Commission, he said currently an average of 60% of people in the EU wore masks and if that rose to 95% then hundreds of thousands of lives could be saved.”That must be the most absurd statement today. He seems to be unaware that mask in the population in Spain,Italy and France is already over 95% and has not stopped C-19 in the seasonal wave. Insane comment without any clinical evidence that masks work. In fact, more of the contrary. Mask is now a religion.

212642 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, #1053 of 1497 🔗

Compliance does not correlate with cases going south. Argument over. If they want to go with anecdotal arguments then they can just stop with any “look at Vietnam” nonsense

212651 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to swedenborg, 5, #1054 of 1497 🔗

What seems quite clear to me now is that although it may take diligence and intelligence to become a professor, critical thinking is not a requirement.

212688 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Achilles, #1055 of 1497 🔗

Nor is common sense.

212712 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Achilles, #1056 of 1497 🔗

Neither is high moral integrity, e.g. rejecting financial entanglement with commercial interests.

212702 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to swedenborg, #1057 of 1497 🔗

The LSHTM harbours the Vaccine Centre, a kind of Bond villain organisation that aims to replace our natural immunity with a system where the whole world population is vaccinated against every single disease, so we would have to receive hundreds of vaccinations in our lifetimes. Totally crazy but worth trillions of dollars to Big Pharma.

213134 ▶▶ djaustin, replying to swedenborg, #1058 of 1497 🔗

I think the unpalatable truth is that children provide a significant route of transmission. Nowhere has failed to see rising transmission with the return of schools. That means mask plus more contacts in no way compensate for no masks and no contacts. Some very tough balancing, of which I think masks have a very modest role

212637 Basics, 1, #1059 of 1497 🔗

Testing stations empty short clip
https://twitter.com/SandraWeeden/status/1321354963407282176?s=20

When passing it has been my observation also that the local testing station is distinctly vacant of people

212641 annie, replying to annie, 4, #1060 of 1497 🔗

The immortal PC Pisspot explains the Christmas rules:

https://mobile.twitter.com/andrewlawrence/status/1321377015782625286

212654 ▶▶ William Gruff, replying to annie, 1, #1061 of 1497 🔗

No, no, no, he’s Sergeant Constable Detective Officer (SCDO) NOT PC.

212952 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to William Gruff, #1062 of 1497 🔗

Terrifyingly low death rate!

213147 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to William Gruff, #1063 of 1497 🔗

Ooh, sorry!

212950 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to annie, #1064 of 1497 🔗
212661 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1065 of 1497 🔗

Face masks: benefits and risks during the COVID-19 crisis

“Upon our critical review of the available literature, we found only weak evidence for wearing a face mask as an efficient hygienic tool to prevent the spread of a viral infection”

https://eurjmedres.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s40001-020-00430-5

212695 ▶▶ HoMojo, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1066 of 1497 🔗

Seems to me they are saying they are useful to some degree. Is it an impartial report?

212717 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1067 of 1497 🔗

Evidence from lab tests or from the real world where people are forever fiddling with their two month old face rags?

212720 ▶▶ john, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #1068 of 1497 🔗

key sentence below:

“If masks are not exchanged regularly (or washed properly when made of cloth), pathogens can accumulate in the mask. When improperly used, the risk of spreading the pathogen—including SARS-CoV-2—might be critically increased.”

Given that most people reuse masks, keep them in their pockets or on car seats, place them on tables while eating and so on, i’d go as far to say that the sensible use of the precautionary principle would be to ban the use of masks. If they work, they only work when fitted and used properly – and even that is debatable…

212740 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to john, 1, #1069 of 1497 🔗

I saw a couple outside a shop today. Man grabs mask from pocket, hands it to woman who puts it on her face as she goes in. Man stays outside for a smoke.

212748 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Edward, #1070 of 1497 🔗

See it all the time.

212787 ▶▶▶▶▶ john, replying to Fingerache Philip., #1071 of 1497 🔗

Although I loved this statement, because, well, everyone listens to the safety announcements on an airplane!

“Finally, it is imperative that the user is educated on the different types of masks available, how and when to wear them and, above all, how to handle them correctly, similar to the safety instructions given before take off in an aircraft.”

212847 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to john, 1, #1072 of 1497 🔗

Ha ha, nobody pays attention to the announcements on planes.
Just noticed you said that at the start!

212666 Hopeful, replying to Hopeful, 3, #1073 of 1497 🔗

Just got an email from Northernpowergrid (I think it’s Chinese owned), asking if I know who to call in the event of a power cut. Last time I got a message from them was never. Interesting.

212715 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Hopeful, #1074 of 1497 🔗

I have one also?.

212759 ▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Basileus, 1, #1075 of 1497 🔗

i have a solar powered generator

212668 Iansn, 24, #1076 of 1497 🔗

Went to Asda tonight, the Cromagnon man near the door shouted after me ‘Excuse me’ three times but I never missed a step as I disappeared into the shop, I never wear a mask and am exempt and partially deaf if asked. I haven’t been challenged for ages. When I left the masked ape gave me his best hard man stare, returned equally, the 6 stone PCSO behind him never moved. Happy days. Next time its Lidl as they know me and NEVER ask

212680 Helen, replying to Helen, 4, #1077 of 1497 🔗

PCR GATE

Who done it and how they done it?

Even if you don’t like reading twitter threads, which I normally don’t, this one is not be missed.

All the documentary evidence presented in front of our very eyes!

Information from the Corona Auschuss Dr Reiner Füllmich and team and his own research by Bobby Rajes h Malhotra on Twitter

The purpose is to make the knowledge available in English-language, extend those infos with essential archive-links & my own resesarch.I’m trying to make this meta-analysis of the wasp nest accessible to as many people as possible,so they can “connect the dots” on their own.
https://twitter.com/Bobby_Network/status/1321188173913927680

212745 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Helen, #1078 of 1497 🔗

This is good, as I have been looking into who/how they are going to make some momemtum by linking together the different language groups.
I tried and couldn’t follow the twitter thread, but hopefully he’ll put it onto other formats.

212696 dommo, replying to dommo, 5, #1079 of 1497 🔗

the key actors in govt have been so incompetent for so long on so many fronts as to be grossly negligent.

many people have died as a result.

that means gross negligence manslaughter.

so what actually needs to happen before arrests can be made and charges brought?

212724 ▶▶ Julian, replying to dommo, 4, #1080 of 1497 🔗

England and Wales
Under English law, misconduct in public office is a criminal offence at common law which dates back to the 13th century.[2][3]

The offence carries a maximum penalty of life imprisonment. It is confined to those who are public office holders, and is committed when the office holder acts (or neglects to act) in a way that constitutes a breach of the duties of that office.[4]

The Crown Prosecution Service guidelines on this offence[2] say that the elements of the offence are when:

A public officer acting as such.
Wilfully neglects to perform one’s duty and/or wilfully misconducts oneself.
To such a degree as to amount to an abuse of the public’s trust in the office holder.[5]
Without reasonable excuse or justification.
The similarly-named misfeasance in public office is a tort. In the House of Lords judgement on the BCCI case, it was held that this had three essential elements:[6]

The defendant must be a public officer
The defendant must have been exercising his power as a public officer
The defendant is either exercising targeted malice or exceeding his powers
“Misconduct in public office” is often but inaccurately rendered as “misconduct in a public office”, which has a different meaning.

212733 ▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Julian, 3, #1081 of 1497 🔗

ok so far so good – but how does that actually get put into practice, and by whom? it seems to me that it’s time to put aside all the undoubtedly noble but practically useless avenues of resistance, and for collars to start being felt…

212741 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to dommo, 8, #1082 of 1497 🔗

Is there a fan club/support group for Lord Sumption?
Part of his speech was that nothing will change unless the public press for it.
Julian – may I suggest, as you are already knowledgeable, that you look into this?
Any such campaign always needs many foot soldiers.
One wonders what he might be able to achieve with a team of willing and dedicated workers.
Lord Sumption is in contact with the German lawyers, and there is huge scope for teams of people to translate and disseminate the information, get more people involved, and explain it in different levels of complexity.

212751 ▶▶▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Rosie, 4, #1083 of 1497 🔗

i would really love to hear his views about the potential for criminal prosecutions. it’s all very well getting into the nuances of constitutional/administrative law, but it seems to me that the time for the rather more blunt instrument of the criminal law has now come…the lawsuits for damages can follow after the convictions

212769 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to dommo, 1, #1084 of 1497 🔗

Agree – I’m already fully occupied by three projects (global warming, masks, and global coordination) so why not just email him and ask?
That’s what I did with ‘climate change’ and I had responses from many international top scientists who all helped me write my booklet.
Go for it, dommo.
If you can’t find a direct email address then contact Freshfields, which put on last night’s lecture.

212805 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Helen, replying to Rosie, 1, #1085 of 1497 🔗

Rosie and Dommo,

Have you heard this

Private Criminal Prosecution of MPs | Mark Devlin Talks To MOB On The Good Vibrations Podcast 16/10/202
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9pm3Z6nFnk&feature=youtu.be

Rosie is your CC booklet available please?

212814 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Helen, 1, #1086 of 1497 🔗

hmmm – sounds a bit crackpot to me. what i really want to know is what stands between us, the criminally wronged population, and the good old fashioned letter of the criminal law being enforced against those responsible?

212836 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to dommo, 1, #1087 of 1497 🔗

AS I say, dommo, these are excellent questions so please send out a bunch of emails to try to find out. (Regarding the Mark Devlin thing, I’m waiting as well to find out if this is anything more than posturing – I’m suspicious as well.)

But by way of encouragement, just to prove it’s worthwhile and you wouldn’t be on your own, here are links to the German groups who are calling this out as a crime against humanity and doing something about it!

In GERMANY, there are two organisations campaigning against govt policy.

One is Stiftung Corona Aussschuss https://corona-ausschuss.de/
composed of lawyers and judges.
It has countless hours of hearings. i.e. interviews of expert witnesses on many subjects.
A video summarizing where they are:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5NsnjyWhqo&nbsp ;
With Dr. Reiner Fuellmich. About one hour. Plans to bring various establishment players to court in the USA, Canada and Germany on charges of fraud (like Volkswagen, but obviously much bigger). Plans to prosecute German politicians at The Hague for crimes against humanity.

But if anything has to happen here, as Lord Sumption says, there has to be pubic backing…. over to you!

212849 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Rosie, 1, #1088 of 1497 🔗

thanks very much – very interesting. does make me wonder though why we haven’t got something similar going already in the uk – probably due to some kind of masonic non-aggression pact i expect…

212864 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to dommo, 1, #1089 of 1497 🔗

As regards the medics, it’s basically because in Germany they are private practitioners and not under the thumb of any NHS.
They started speaking out very early on, effectively saying that this is nothing but a newish flu that they need to work out the best treatment protocol.
For the lawyers, at least part of the explanation is that the German people recognise this from the 1930s, those old enough to remember, and those who know their history – and are determined that this time Germany is going to be a hero nation.

212962 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to dommo, #1090 of 1497 🔗

Common Purpose has infiltrated the judiciary here…

212906 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Helen, replying to dommo, #1091 of 1497 🔗

Yes, and his statements about the Withdrawal Bill and the Queen don’t seem to check out ..at least I don’t think so.

German and Dutch teams of lawyers are working on cases. Dr. Füllmich and team’s strategy is to progress towards criminal cases against those responsible, beginning with class action suits (financial losses), hoping that they will blow the corona myth to smithereens leading to a flood of legal actions.

Odd however that nothing is underway in the UK unless you count the anonymous Geordie in the podcast. Why can not class action be taken against Fergusson (dodgy model)? I find it difficult to believe that its because there are no lawyers willing to try.

212944 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Helen, 1, #1092 of 1497 🔗

hi there,

he’s anything but anonymous – quite the opposite in fact:-

https://www.thebernician.net/summonses-to-be-issued-against-every-criminal-mp/

we don’t need class actions – we need criminal prosecutions!

213240 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Helen, replying to dommo, #1093 of 1497 🔗

The C Ausschuss hope for both whereby one leads to the other..all the way to the international courts..its s strategy. Why doesn’t Sumption propose one? Its a puzzle.

212969 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Helen, #1094 of 1497 🔗

I don’t think we have law that enables a class action. I’ve not got the link to hand, but listen to Fuellmich and he goes through the different jurisdictions and how they can be used best.
I’m mystified that if gyms can force reopening, no-one else does, though
There is one reason which is the corrupting power of Common Purpose and the Long March Through the Institutions. This was being forced through at breakneck speed while TMay was playing for time over Brexit, and there’s little left. Where an institution supports either Woke or ‘Climate change’, ‘zero carbon’ then you know they’ve been taken over, in whole or in part.

212820 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Helen, #1095 of 1497 🔗

Booklet certainly is.
It’s here on my website as text – also in PDF form to download and printout or forward – also you can email Philip Foster to order printed copies @ £1
https://www.beautyandthebeastlytruth.com/

………… still want to urge people here to pick a campaign and get involved. Join up with friends here, or join me on climate change/masks, or email Lord Sumption or any of the other existing campaigns. Ask around until you find someone who wants you and you can work with.

212915 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Helen, replying to Rosie, 1, #1096 of 1497 🔗

Thanks Rosie

212921 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Helen, #1097 of 1497 🔗

Re the above:

Yesterday afternoon we received confirmation that the partners of the firm of barristers we are talking to about the case against Parliament are all in agreement – the case is one that can be won, despite the hurdles that we will have to get over to achieve that.

This means that we are now moving forward into the preparation of the court papers, including an affidavit containing all of the allegations of fraud, treason and genocide.

It will be the first time allegations of treason have been made since the aftermath of WWII, whilst genocide is a crime under international law and the such allegations would almost certainly be dealt with in the Hague.

Nevertheless, with Liverpool and Northern Ireland already under regional lockdown diktats , as well as Newcastle and London having been threatened with the same, along with the rest of Britain [save for the more affluent areas], we are aiming to lay the charges in a criminal court as soon as they have been properly drafted.

We will also be seeking an order placing the entire cabinet and their advisers under house arrest, to prevent the rogue government from attempting to murder more people [as well as its opponents, under the new homicide enabling act] with purported statutory impunity.

Here’s a conversation I had with Mark Devlin this week on that very subject and much more. Please listen and share far and wide.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9pm3Z6nFnk&feature=youtu.be

212967 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1098 of 1497 🔗

I love the idea of putting the cabinet and advisors under house arrest!!!

212960 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to dommo, #1099 of 1497 🔗

He seemed to reckon a judicial review against the government would show they had not acted appropriately and proportionately, in that they could have used the civil contingencies act; also that they have misused the Public health act.

212770 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Rosie, 4, #1100 of 1497 🔗

I am listening to his speech now. He really does highlight what dross our parliamentarians are (the notable exception being Sir Desmond Swayne).

213027 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to kh1485, #1101 of 1497 🔗

I’d add Sir Charles Walker to the list too. A good advocate particularly for mental health, and imo a real stand-up guy – literally; he stood up & smacked his papers on the seats in the HoC the other week railing against the Government!

212879 ▶▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to Rosie, 3, #1102 of 1497 🔗

In the Q&A Lord Sumption was asked have the government broken the law? In his reply he confined himself to the matter of the measures being brought in having exceeded the powers of the Act that was used to introduce them. He was clear that government did this in order to avoid parliamentary scrutiny which would have been necessary had they used the correct Act. He said that if a judicial review did show they were not lawful it didn’t mean anyone would be prosecuted but that the measures would be nullified. That would do for me by I guess some people would want to pursue the crimes against humanity angle?

212927 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ dommo, replying to steph, #1103 of 1497 🔗

see – he’s skirting around points of constitutional/admin law & judicial review. forget that, and also the rather lofty “crimes against humanity” angle – what about the bog standard common law offence? – the breach of an existing duty of care which it is reasonably foreseeable gives rise to a serious and obvious risk of death and does, in fact, cause death in circumstances where, having regard to the risk of death, the conduct of the defendant was so bad in all the circumstances as to amount to a criminal act or omission (see Adomako [2005] 1 Cr App Rep at 369). The elements of GNM were set out by the House of Lords in R v Adomako [1995] 1 AC 171.

212979 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to steph, 2, #1104 of 1497 🔗

Two things Sumption said struck a chord with me – one being the mask mandate being imposed deliberately on the anniversary of the signing of the Magna Carta (remember they gave advance notice, as if the virus would be less dangerous until the mask date), but more importantly, that they waited a few days to enact the coronavirus act (despite verbally putting people into lockdown with immediate effect), and that this delay was so that they could rush it through and then go off on holiday until mid-May, and thereby avoid scrutiny..

212981 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Carrie, #1105 of 1497 🔗

Grotesque – the German groups are identifying this type of thing as well.

212956 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Rosie, #1106 of 1497 🔗

When you say Sumption is in contact with the German lawyers, do you mean the Crimes against humanity group?

212978 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Carrie, 1, #1107 of 1497 🔗

Yes, that’s right. My German-speaking friend has been listening through the hearings (4 hours each) and they praise him a lot, so they must be in close communication I think.
There’s more than two German groups with overlapping membership, so not in competition which is fantastic, just as one would hope. here are the two biggest as far as my friend knows:

In GERMANY, there are two organisations campaigning against govt policy.

One is Stiftung Corona Aussschuss https://corona-ausschuss.de/
composed of lawyers and judges.
It has countless hours of hearings. i.e. interviews of expert witnesses on many subjects.
A video summarizing where they are:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5NsnjyWhqo&nbsp ;
With Dr. Reiner Fuellmich. About one hour. Plans to bring various establishment players to court in the USA, Canada and Germany on charges of fraud (like Volkswagen, but obviously much bigger). Plans to prosecute German politicians at The Hague for crimes against humanity.

The other major organisation in Germany is
Außerparlamentarischer Corona Untersuchungsausschuss
ACU2020 https://acu2020.org/&nbsp ;
which is composed of medical doctors and scientists.

213230 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Helen, replying to Rosie, #1108 of 1497 🔗

Resistance in Germany.. groups are overlapping and interlinking

  • Demos organised by Querdenken nationwide every weekend from the very start.. leaders are lawyers Balweg and Heinz
  • Doctors for the truth: Ärzte für Aufkläung
  • Lawyers for the truth: Anwält für Aufkläung
  • Social Media: facilitated censored profs and dr’s to voice their opinions
  • Inquiry Team: Corona Ausschuss ..leaders doctors and lawyers from the above AfA & AfA Dr Wodarg, Dr H Schöning Rechtsanwältin Antonia Fischer Rechtsanwältin Vivian Fischer Rechsanwält Justus Hoffmann and Dr Reiner Füllmich
  • International movement ACU2020.org strung out of AfAs
  • Latest is the Corona Info Tour Bus (already visited many towns) slight set back after cyber attack. Dr Bodo Schiffmann (practising medic with practice in Baden Wurtenburg) and Samuel Eckert (social media)
212703 Helen, replying to Helen, 4, #1109 of 1497 🔗

Latest news from ‘lockdown tight’ (sez Mutti Merkel) Hessen
From 4th Nov. all cafes, bars, restaurants, cinemas, theatres, will be closed again. For the time being schools and kindergartens will stay open..

212731 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Helen, 4, #1110 of 1497 🔗

If that doesn’t wake up the cultural and hospitality sector and get them resisting, nothing will.

212780 ▶▶▶ Helen, replying to Edward, 1, #1111 of 1497 🔗

Yes you’d think so Ed.
Since the first lockdown they’ve been cooperating with the ridiculous nonsense by operating at soc. dist. density and T&T paperwork.. now this….

212831 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Helen, 3, #1112 of 1497 🔗

I had an email today from the Royal Albert Hall in London. They have a few events planned towards the end of the year, with a limited “socially distanced” audience. Everyone except for performers to wear masks. Exemptions are mentioned in a rather grudging way.
But if another full lockdown is brought in, the whole thing presumably will be cancelled. Again, will they start resisting or just roll over and accept it?

212953 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Edward, #1113 of 1497 🔗

It’ll probably be open for the elites – like that theatre was a few weeks ago..

212991 ▶▶▶▶▶ Helen, replying to Edward, #1114 of 1497 🔗

There’ll be nothing left of the old norm. Its now dead certain if it wasn’t already glaringly obvious in April that its deliberate and wilful destruction..
I’m furious!

212704 Iansn, 16, #1115 of 1497 🔗

We are now at the same stage with the paandemic as we are with global warming, it keeps getting worse in x weeks or we will all die, then that doesn’t work so twice as many will die is x weeks plus a bit more, then xweeks plus a graph showing we will all die. That’s how scams work. Where is St. Greta of COVID? surely she will come soon to give us salvation.

212711 mhcp, 6, #1116 of 1497 🔗

Haven’t seen much comment by the MSM about lack of social distancing and super spreading at the Philly riots. Now 3 days in.

Hmm.

212721 Fingerache Philip., 5, #1117 of 1497 🔗

Channel 4 news churning out the same old B×××××××s from the usual blinkered so called experts, one pratt, I think his name is Nabbaro said that some people think that the scientists are against the people.
NOW, WHY WOULD ANYONE THINK THAT?

212723 Simon Cook, replying to Simon Cook, 7, #1118 of 1497 🔗
212734 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Simon Cook, #1119 of 1497 🔗

Your ‘kindest regards’ brought a big smile to my face. Thank you, and returned 🙂

212761 ▶▶▶ Simon Cook, replying to Rosie, 1, #1120 of 1497 🔗

Thank you Rosie and force of habit I’m afraid!

212746 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to Simon Cook, #1121 of 1497 🔗

Sceptical of the PCR test at least. But definitely good to have a high profile illustration of its shortcomings.

212757 ▶▶▶ Simon Cook, replying to Adamb, 1, #1122 of 1497 🔗

You’re right of course Adam, but it might help a bit (hopefully!). One wonders at what point if this continues, that Juve start to kick up a fuss that their star player isn’t available and yet isn’t injured

212727 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 24, #1123 of 1497 🔗

Interesting comment on the SORUK page:

I had my work disciplinary today regarding my refusal to wear a face covering and facing possible dismissal, when during the call the senior manager asked me if I would wear one, I emailed him Michael O’Bernicia’s Notice of Conditional Acceptance which he put on his site yesterday. The manager’s reply was “I cannot answer every one of those questions and you don’t think anybody could.” The result so far is they could not come to a decision today as there’s a lot of stuff they need to go through so for now I remain suspended on full pay until they come to a decision.

I also highlighted the exemptions and the equality act, and asked if they’d done a risk assessment on the health of their staff wearing masks. The answers I got were along the lines of “I’m not going to debate the points of the law that’s your interpretation” and “I cannot give you an honest answer to that”

 Given the nature of what I do and the fact these mask mandates are coming from the subcontractors my company works for, I think I might have put them between a rock and a hard place

212810 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #1124 of 1497 🔗

Good work. We need more people like you ready to put your money where your mouth is.

So far, I’ve been feeling good about myself because it’s obvious I wouldn’t have been a Nazi. However, I think the time is fast approaching when I need to work out if I would have been in la resistance or not.

212815 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to kenadams, 1, #1125 of 1497 🔗

Well commented, Ken. The resistance knew they would probably be horribly tortured and die, yet they still went ahead.
But there were people here in GB too who volunteered, they had the network established just in case, provided with radio equipment and sugar to eat in a small underground concrete shelter.
We do need to organise our protests and pushback before it gets to that stage, because most assuredly, otherwise it will.
All of us here will already be on the list for incarceration, so we might as well get out there now.

213144 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Rosie, #1126 of 1497 🔗

I am beginning to understsnd why Resistance workers faced torture and death.
Compliance was worse.
It is worse.

212818 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to Cheezilla, #1127 of 1497 🔗

Stay strong the law is on your side what ever the company say you are right. Its health regulalions not law

212899 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, #1128 of 1497 🔗

Note this isn’t about me – see my comment before the quote!

213142 ▶▶ annie, replying to Cheezilla, #1129 of 1497 🔗

What can they give you an honest answer to, I wonder?

All the very best. We are with you.

212728 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 16, #1130 of 1497 🔗

So, Nicola El Presidente the little dictator, is going to be announcing the new 5 tier lockdown measures tomorrow.

Here, the scummy Edinburgh Live rag lists what this could mean.

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/travel-restrictions-scotland-tier-3-19180195

Well, I can assure you, I WILL NOT be staying in my local area. My Partner stays about 30 minutes away from me & Nicola will not be stopping me from seeing her.

Seriously, when are we going to start rioting over this shit?

212772 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to AnotherSceptic, 4, #1131 of 1497 🔗

Could be an interesting gathering @ holyrood on 7th November

212729 Colin, 4, #1132 of 1497 🔗

“Tests must be combined with effective tracing”. Can I label this the “Technocratic Fallacy”? That stating the aims of a policy is as good as the policy itself or perhaps even equivalent to it? Did the learned hack on the Telegraph actually believe that our current policy only intends to trace some and not all contacts? For mysterious reasons. He might as well say we need a policy to stop Covid deaths. Of course some Lefty half wits actually believe that the Tories want to kill people.

212730 calchas, 7, #1133 of 1497 🔗

Early in March a Communist Party official visited Wuhan, and was greeted by cries from residents of:

“Everything is fake”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9jxlD_7suk

What did they mean exactly?

What was fake?

212763 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to MutzNutz, 5, #1136 of 1497 🔗

I am callous, I don’t give a fuck if someone doesn’t like the fact that I don’t wear a mask.
So, that’s a tiny bit true.

212768 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to AnotherSceptic, 5, #1137 of 1497 🔗

I have to admit that I’m getting that way myself. In fact, I’m probably getting to the point where I don’t give a damn about other people. At least until they start minding their own business again.

212893 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to ConstantBees, 2, #1138 of 1497 🔗

So we might not have had ASPD before mockdown but we’re rapidly developing it as a result of the anti-social measures? Interesting!

213135 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to ConstantBees, #1139 of 1497 🔗

I don’t give a damn about zombies. They are dead already, and damned already.

212766 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to MutzNutz, 3, #1140 of 1497 🔗

Lots of anti-mask types in the comments. Hooray!

212758 ▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to MutzNutz, 5, #1141 of 1497 🔗

What a crock of shit!! But..it keeps up the “everyone who doesn’t wear a mask is a granny killer” mantra.

212778 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to MutzNutz, 6, #1142 of 1497 🔗

Like in any communist society those who don’t conform and follow the rules are deemed to be suffering from a mental illness of some sort. We should all be institutionalized!

212783 ▶▶▶ MutzNutz, replying to Eddie, 2, #1143 of 1497 🔗

you said it pal 😉

212824 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Eddie, 2, #1144 of 1497 🔗

If that happens, we will take over the asylum, and run it as a civilised liberal democracy (I picture a regular evening debate forum in which erstwhile supporters of Labour and the Conservatives fiercely contest which side has more radically betrayed its own principles in its craven capitulation to medico-facist totalitarianism).
We’ll have elections for leadership posts; possibly our own currency. Certainly our own constitution, or at least a universal aspiration to have a constitution, though it may prove hard to find a form of words that we can all agree on. However, this will not dismay us and the Constitutional Assemblies will tirelessly work on the problem.
Our press will be notably thriving. A variety of news sheets will be available daily, representing a catholic range of views. ‘The Cock-up’ and ‘The Conspiracy’ will perhaps between them secure the largest readerships, but it will be a characteristic of the citizens to take several papers every day, and to discuss them, vigorously to the point of shoutiness, in the vibrant cafe culture of the boulevards (‘corridors to the wards,’ as the medical staff may persist in calling them).
As society outside decays and ultimately combusts, refugees from the New Normal will begin to haunt our portals, pleading for asylum within. At first a few eccentric souls; then a trickle, then a stream. At last a mighty roaring torrent of would-be inmates will break down our doors and the inside will become the outside, the asylum of psychopaths the kernel of a new old world.

213139 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Alethea, #1145 of 1497 🔗

Cheers! Bring it on!

212851 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to MutzNutz, 3, #1146 of 1497 🔗

Please watch today’s UK Column for an analysis on this. Very interesting.

212881 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to MutzNutz, 4, #1147 of 1497 🔗

New reason I’m exempt from wearing a face nappy – I have ASPD.

212964 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to MutzNutz, 1, #1148 of 1497 🔗

This study is doing the rounds for the second time now. It was banded about back in March. Its the Brazilian one yeah? James Corbett goes over it superbly and shows just how ridiculously obvious it is in pushing the agenda. Designed to get said result:

“Do you have any questions or concerns about the COVID-19 containment measures? Do you hesitate to don your mask, practice proper social distancing, or (eventually) roll up your sleeve for the experimental mRNA vaccine? Then you’re a sociopath who needs to be dealt with, according to a team of researchers from Brazil. Join James as he explores this latest attempt to pathologize political dissent, the horrific history of the weaponization of psychology for political purposes, and what this tells us about the coming biosecurity paradigm”

https://www.corbettreport.com/only-sociopaths-reject-the-new-normal-propagandawatch/

213133 ▶▶ annie, replying to MutzNutz, #1149 of 1497 🔗

This isn’t ‘news’.The Brazilian study was touted weeks ago, with the same rubbish message.
How do nappied zombies empathise when they can’t see faces and never get close to a human being?

212739 Jane in France, replying to Jane in France, 17, #1150 of 1497 🔗

There we are again, house arrest. From Friday. The disturbed teenager has spoken. He cares about us. He doesn’t want fragile people to die. He advises us to wear masks in our house. We must all join in the fight. He doesn’t want hospitals to be overwhelmed. He cares so much that his health minister has prohibited sales of hydroxychloroquine. My son is home for the holidays. He was due to go back to university next week. Not now. I really do begin to feel like these rats in the experiment who were punished whichever way they turned and eventually gave up.

212756 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Jane in France, 1, #1151 of 1497 🔗

In the house?

212792 ▶▶▶ Jane in France, replying to Charlie Blue, 16, #1152 of 1497 🔗

Locked up. Confined. Only allowed out for an hour a day and even then you need a signed attestation. Yes, he advises you to wear a mask in the house. Just like back in March. Except that the schools are staying open this time. He also says we’ll get through this because we’re unified and all together. What planet is he living on? A teacher had his head chopped off in the street a couple of weeks ago. Where were the police? Fining people for not wearing masks and moving them out of cafés because they were sitting too close together. At the moment we’re stuck till December. But if we behave ourselves we might be able to spend Christmas with our families. Who does he think he is? I hate the whole lot of them.

212799 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Jane in France, 6, #1153 of 1497 🔗

So sorry, Jane. And I doubt it’s any consolation to say I think we’ll be joining you before long. Presumably one must wear a mask to sleep if sharing a bed with a partner?

212830 ▶▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to Jane in France, 1, #1154 of 1497 🔗

thats the problem with Roman/Napoleonic law, everything is not permitted unless allowed. I lived in France and worked in Algeria for 14 years. Permission to travel, without which you can be arrested even for having a legal cargo in your car and not having a permit to drive from A to B etc. Laws from pre history. We are fortunate that Anglo Saxon common law does not prevent you from doing anything unsless exrpressly prohibited, though the current crop of rules is getting us to the same outcome.

212946 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Jane in France, 4, #1155 of 1497 🔗

Horrific. Those words are shocking. What are they even now protecting? They’ve destroyed the economy, banished just as many people to death as with Covid, tore society and its joys a new one.

And we are supposed to get back to normal? We’re psychologically broken. Violence may be the only catharsis

213122 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1156 of 1497 🔗

Violence us what they’re going to get. And they bloody deserve it.
Prepare your barricades.

212762 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Jane in France, 6, #1157 of 1497 🔗

utterly dismal for you, I’m sorry to hear it

212908 ▶▶ Jane, replying to Jane in France, 6, #1158 of 1497 🔗

Hi from Jane in Belgium. It’s very similar here apart from the fact there are no restrictions on how often we can ,eave the house. However there’s nowhere to go, everything is closed , curfew from 10pm, we have to wear masks outside even when walking alone in a park! So much worry here about us being the top of the European death league but we don’t have proper stats on how many have died, how old, other illnesses etc. It’s madness. My son in his 20s is unemployed and getting very depressed, no jobs, no social life nothing to look forward to. We are being led by idiots.

212976 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Jane, 1, #1159 of 1497 🔗

Sympathies to you too, Jane. What do you feel the public mood is in Belgium? Is there much pushback?

213183 ▶▶▶▶ Jane, replying to Charlie Blue, #1160 of 1497 🔗

Am trying to find an outlet similar to lockdown sceptics but there doesn’t seem to be anything. Too many people comfortable with working from home on full pay while the economy collapses around them. Lack of transparency is a big issue here.

213094 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Jane, 2, #1161 of 1497 🔗

Very sorry to hear from both Janes in France and Belgium. This is insane and well said – nothing about a guy being beheaded but police everywhere for the most stupid laws.

212744 Bob Webb, 3, #1162 of 1497 🔗

SAGE – Stupid Advice Given for Everything.

212749 Proudtobeapeasant, 14, #1163 of 1497 🔗

Yesterday I was in Waitrose (unmasked) and an elderly lady said hello to me, and said I probably hadn’t recognized her because of her mask (which she told me she hated wearing). I did recognize her t hen and we chatted. She told me that she was having terrible trouble with her legs (I didn’t ask what exactly). She was unable to see a doctor, but had seen a nurse, but knew that wasn’t enough, and asked if she could be referred to a consultant. The nurse said – “You need to see the doctor to get referred” but of course she can’t get to see a doctor…. Also, her husband has a cousin in Colchester who has been waiting for an operation for his prostate cancer since before lockdown and still has not had it.

212752 ConstantBees, replying to ConstantBees, 4, #1164 of 1497 🔗

Interesting article in The Critic about the psychology of “Covidworld”

https://thecritic.co.uk/issues/november-2020/welcome-to-covidworld/

212812 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to ConstantBees, #1165 of 1497 🔗

Interesting article. Re sepsis: of course, that’s what’s likely to happen to people who can’t get early medical treatment for some common and straightforward complaints.

212753 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1166 of 1497 🔗

Can someone explain where all the tests are being carried out? According to the government website ( https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ ) we’re looking at about 300k tests per day. However, we’re told on LS and elsewhere that, by and large, the test centres are empty. I understand that there are about 90 centres in the UK. I guess also that many tests are being carried out in hospitals, care homes and so on. Maybe a significant number of them are self tests for the ONS? In any event, 300,000 seems one hell of a large number – given the apparent emptiness of the test centres. What might be going on?

212765 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1167 of 1497 🔗

Double counting?? Treble counting??

212788 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to stefarm, 2, #1168 of 1497 🔗

Does the 90 include university test centres? We have 3 test sites in Telford and Wrekin alone (hardly a big place). They opened the third, a ‘walk-through’ last week to try to recruit folks without cars. There are also postal tests. It all seems suspicious to me – just trying to think of posdibilities.

212803 ▶▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #1169 of 1497 🔗

Good point. No, universities not included, but I bet they could account for a significant proportion of the tests. I got the list here:

https://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/read-this/heres-full-list-uk-coronavirus-testing-centres-and-how-get-test-2557853

212825 ▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1170 of 1497 🔗

Thanks. I think that list is the tip of the iceberg. For example it lists an entry for greater Manchester. A further quick search revealed “The region currently has two regional drive-through sites, which you’ll need a car to access, and 15 local walk-in sites, which are accessible by car or foot.” So 17 sites in GM alone.

212841 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #1171 of 1497 🔗

Wrote to my MP today to ask him for the stats for our local testing centre which is always empty and we are in tier 3. I think they must be just including the sewage tests and the number of people in the area and using that. Any one any ideas on that theory?

212971 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Iansn, #1172 of 1497 🔗

Nothing would surprise me

212804 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1173 of 1497 🔗

Son and his workmates all got tests straightaway on Saturday probably at different centres as they were sent home.
Test was mandatory after an idiot from work had phoned to say he’d gone voluntarily and tested positive.
There are no words, are there?!
2 weeks on £75 – his second time in less than a month, neither were his fault. No wonder people don’t comply!
Both his tests nave been negative, so evidently a few do sneak through.

212811 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Cheezilla, #1174 of 1497 🔗

What is a “mandatory” test? Who’s doing the mandating?

212837 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Tenchy, 4, #1175 of 1497 🔗

Employers requiring them for work, schools requiring test results to allow pupils to attend school, univerities requiring test results for students in university accommodation, carers and medical staff need tests results for work, test results needed for travel and for medical treatment.

212845 ▶▶▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #1176 of 1497 🔗

what is the ‘actual’ legal basis for that?

212859 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Iansn, 3, #1177 of 1497 🔗

No idea? but I guess we now live in ‘covid land’ and covid seems to over-ride all our previous laws and entitlements.

212872 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1178 of 1497 🔗

Work.
You need a test certificate to be able to claim the paltry £75 per week.

They were in the middle of a massive order that should have gone out on Monday and were working over the weekend to get it finished. Boss sent them home as soon as the moron said he was positive because boss would be liable for a huge fine if they stayed.

People claim this is chaos but “they” have stitched up the workforce very nicely.

212940 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #1179 of 1497 🔗

Wish there were repercussions for people who go and voluntarily get tested for no good reason…

213088 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Carrie, #1180 of 1497 🔗

Well he did have a sniffle – idiot.
I’m sure there’ll be repercussions from the boss and his workmates when they all return …….

212760 Hubes, replying to Hubes, 6, #1181 of 1497 🔗

Predictions for when we go into full lockdown again? Nov 2nd?

212791 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Hubes, 3, #1182 of 1497 🔗

Next week at the very latest. Frankly I’m amazed it’s taken them this long dicking about with the local Tier system. Just get it over and done with already.

212896 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Richard O, 3, #1183 of 1497 🔗

“Just get it over and done with already.”

No thanks.

212861 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Hubes, #1184 of 1497 🔗

Full moon this weekend. Don’t be surprised if something big is announced (tweeted) on or for Saturday night.

212898 ▶▶ John P, replying to Hubes, #1185 of 1497 🔗

May not be one.

212935 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Hubes, 1, #1186 of 1497 🔗

Maybe James Delingpole knows? He knew from a source way back in about May that another lockdown was planned around October….

212764 Liz F, replying to Liz F, 9, #1187 of 1497 🔗

The Guardian stated yesterday that Covid deaths had risen to 61,469 “according to analysis of official data”. BBC says “government figures show” total number of deaths today is 45,675. However, they do hasten to add that “other measures suggest the number of deaths is higher”. Official data? Other measures? How about, pick a number, any number. Multiply by 7 take away 49, add 562, find the square root of a pie and stand on one leg with a pencil up your nose. Confused? That seems to be the general idea.

212856 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Liz F, 5, #1188 of 1497 🔗

.

212885 ▶▶▶ Liz F, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1189 of 1497 🔗

Now, where did I leave my pencil?

212767 GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 10, #1190 of 1497 🔗

I must have been very bad in a previous life. At work I have been roped into replying to correspondence from lockdown and mask zealots complaining about various shops and businesses not enforcing the rules strictly enough for their liking. As a civil servant, I have to reply politely with the standard propaganda. This is going to crucify me. 😡 😡 😡

212771 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 16, #1191 of 1497 🔗

Keep a note of the names and addresses in a “special” file. We will need these details for the prosecution teams.

212775 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Richard O, 2, #1192 of 1497 🔗

LOL

212904 ▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Richard O, 2, #1193 of 1497 🔗

Absolutely. These arseholes are writing in with crap about how dismayed they were to see two unmasked employees at their local supermarket etc. Let’s see how they like persecution! 😂

212773 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 2, #1194 of 1497 🔗

Can’t you just thank them for their letter/email and note the contents therein?

212796 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Londo Mollari, 7, #1195 of 1497 🔗

Yes, a solicitor friend taught me this. Dear X, Thank you for your letter. I note its contents. Yours sincerely, Y. Such an elegant and economical piece of passive aggression.

212910 ▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Londo Mollari, #1196 of 1497 🔗

If I can get away with that I will! They like us to provide a ‘full and ‘helpful’ reply though so the idiots keep voting for them. 🙄

212994 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, #1197 of 1497 🔗

“We have every intention of thoroughly investigating the possibility of providing a detailed analysis of the allegations you have bought forth…” 🙂

213016 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 2, #1198 of 1497 🔗

Straight from Mugabe’s mouth via .gov.scot

people who have a health condition or who are disabled, including hidden disabilities, for example, autism, dementia or a learning disability, or are providing care for someone with a health condition or disability, and a face covering would be inappropriate because it would cause difficulty, pain or severe distress or anxiety to the wearer or the person in the care of the wearer. This includes children with breathing difficulties and disabled children who would struggle to wear a face covering.

Those exempt under the guidance and regulations do not have to prove their exemption and should not be made to wear a face covering or denied access to public transport, shops or public places. We ask for people to be aware of the exemptions and to treat each other with kindness

Bosh

212785 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 1, #1199 of 1497 🔗

Can’t you just quote the friendly bits from the “guidelines”?

212816 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1200 of 1497 🔗

And highlight exemptions?

212840 ▶▶ Lili, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 1, #1201 of 1497 🔗

Are you not allowed to mention the list of government exemptions?

212897 ▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Lili, 3, #1202 of 1497 🔗

Oh don’t worry, I definitely will be.

212844 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 2, #1203 of 1497 🔗

Prison slaves of both the nazis and stalin were very imaginative in sabotaging the weapons they were forced to produce.

212776 Rosie, replying to Rosie, 12, #1204 of 1497 🔗

Snippet of news about Piers Corbyn (via a friend of his). His hearing was today,

“Piers’ court case, after 4 hours of legal argument has been adjourned
for a month. He thought the judge didn’t like the police action!”

212931 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Rosie, 3, #1205 of 1497 🔗

Sounds like he got a better judge than Simon Dolan did for his recent injunction!

212779 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 36, #1206 of 1497 🔗

This poster is in the shop window of a wine shop, on Hollywood Road, Chelsea in London

212795 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #1207 of 1497 🔗

You mean a former wine shop. After it is closed down by the Covid Stasi.

212829 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1208 of 1497 🔗

Screenshot, thank you.

212888 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1209 of 1497 🔗

That’s very good.

212784 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 8, #1210 of 1497 🔗

Important published documnent

Just out: Understanding cycle threshold (Ct) in SARS-CoV-2 RT-PCR ‘A single Ct value in the absence of clinical context cannot be relied upon for decision making about a person’s infectivity.’
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/926410/Understanding_Cycle_Threshold__Ct__in_SARS-CoV-2_RT-PCR_.pdf

212889 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 2, #1211 of 1497 🔗

10 months into this and they have decided:

“Whilst high Ct values may be associated with reduced infectivity, a swab taken at a single point in time does not provide information about the trajectory or subsequent course of illness.”

How does that read to you? To me it says that the only way to use PCR effectively is targeted continuous testing to track progression and in the wider context of a full clinical assessment.

A pop to the local test centre and being told to self isolate for two weeks, along with every person you’ve been close with, is utter insanity.

Seriously this stuff is glaringly wrong. It’s an open goal for any politician with a sense of occasion, a sense of moments for leadership. Like the whole reason people would want to go into polticial life to be of service.

No, it seems our bunch of current MPs would rather take the title and hide behind daily case numbers. Anger levels back to high

212905 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1212 of 1497 🔗

It is glaringly wrong. But I think it will be spun as : since the testing regime does not provide clinical context (community testing) and a positive result at a high ct value could signify the beginning of infection, or the end, or just rna remnants, we must err on the side of caution and assume the first option.

213007 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Charlie Blue, #1213 of 1497 🔗

In that cases it’s thought crime pretty much.

Even without that it makes a mockery of track and trace.

212786 calchas, replying to calchas, 9, #1214 of 1497 🔗

https://euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/

According to Euromomo total mortality in France is at the loweset level since at least early 2017 on the 5 year average comparison basis.

212850 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to calchas, 1, #1215 of 1497 🔗

thast the perfect excuse for a total lockdown, trebles all round Msr Macron

212929 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to calchas, 2, #1216 of 1497 🔗

Deaths for October 2020 in Sweden are the second lowest ever number of deaths per month here!

212793 Laura Suckling, replying to Laura Suckling, 28, #1217 of 1497 🔗

OK, let’s do a ‘proper’ lockdown. This would mean no food deliveries, no transport, no care home (minimum paid workers). What could possibly go wrong?

A guy phoned in to Ian Collins on Talk Radio today saying he had been working throughout. He was angry that the real lockdown zealots were happy for us minimum wage workers to ‘serve’ their betters. Don’t forget most of us do not get sick pay.

There really is some snobbery involved here.

212801 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Laura Suckling, 11, #1218 of 1497 🔗

Actually why not? Everything shuts down, no one can leave their house, for any reason.

At least this would be more more honest.

212806 ▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Richard O, 3, #1219 of 1497 🔗

Exactly.

212822 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Laura Suckling, 8, #1220 of 1497 🔗

There’s certainly a lot of smug I’malrightJackery

213034 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1221 of 1497 🔗

Yep. Mostly from upper middle class people with lovely homes in posh parts of cities or in the shires. Or millenials who have fallen for the “people before profit” idea.

213056 ▶▶ TJS123, replying to Laura Suckling, 1, #1222 of 1497 🔗

Indeed. They will still want factory workers, delivery drivers, internet providers, sewage workers, utility providers, fuel delivery, health and care workers, TV and radio presenters and I expect their gardeners and butlers and nannies to carry on working..

212797 Cheshirecatslave, #1223 of 1497 🔗

Maybe the obsession with “waves” comes from this possible corona virus epidemic in Queen Victoria’s reign?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/31/did-a-coronavirus-cause-the-pandemic-that-killed-queen-victorias-heir

212798 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 49, #1224 of 1497 🔗

I just wanted to let you all know that I volunteered for the vaccine trials for Covid-19, held in my area… The vaccine is one that was developed in Russia.

I received my first shot yesterday at 3:00pm, and I wanted to let you all know that it’s completely safe, with иo side effects whatsoeveя, and that I’m feelshκι я чувствую себя немного странно и я думаю, что вытащил ослиные уши.

212862 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to AnotherSceptic, 5, #1225 of 1497 🔗
молодец товарищ
212890 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to AnotherSceptic, 6, #1226 of 1497 🔗

hilarious

212922 ▶▶ John P, replying to AnotherSceptic, 5, #1227 of 1497 🔗

I think Putin was just taking the piss. Russia is more or less like Sweden now.

212933 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to AnotherSceptic, 3, #1228 of 1497 🔗

I have The Kollektiv Vorks of Leonyed Breshniev but am sadly unable to benefit from them despite being able to read Cyrilic.

212817 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #1229 of 1497 🔗

Response from my MP. I despair!

The links refer to Lord Sumption’s lecture and transcript.
So, catch 22: Those MPs who actually bother to turn up in Westminster are kept in a truth-free bubble by the Parliamentary computers. Those who can’t even be arsed to turn up probably watch Netflix all day.


Thank you for your email and giving me your views. Again as I have said previously, I cannot click on unsolicited links on Parliamentary computers.

I received the latest data yesterday. Just in our constituency of Colne Valley ( Colne Valley Ward, Crosland Moor and Netherton, Golcar, Lindley, Holme Valley North, Holme Valley South ) we had 352 cases in the last full week, up from 207 the week before. Current covid-19 inpatients at our two hospitals are up to 83 and we have sadly had 31 covid deaths in hospital so far this month. Obviously with this number of extra patients in hospital beds other services are undoubtably being impacted leading to further non-covid deaths as well.

I do not want to see any further restrictions or us the current ones longer than necessary. We however cannot ignore what is happening, if the NHS is overwhelmed we will see another long term lockdown and further economic damage. All lockdown measures have been passed through votes in Parliament, including some last week. In Parliament we have voted on laws on everything from masks to quarantine in the last few months.

Kind regards,

Jason

212833 ▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Cheezilla, 14, #1230 of 1497 🔗

What a dirty, snivelling bastard.

212853 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to AnotherSceptic, 7, #1231 of 1497 🔗

I honestly think he believes the official numbers. Not very bright I’m afraid.

212918 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Cheezilla, #1232 of 1497 🔗

Can you send him the correct figures, with proof? Assuming the numbers he is quoting are wrong?

213069 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Carrie, #1233 of 1497 🔗

Getting hold of the correct figures isn’t exactly easy. It’s like wading through porridge – and the relevant numbers available are several days old.

212857 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Cheezilla, 9, #1234 of 1497 🔗

Useless cretins. They’ve had 6 months to expand healthcare provision to deal with this “surge” if they really believed it was coming.

What have the useless bastards done in the meantime? Nothing.

This is a healthcare problem that has a healthcare solution.

Above that, it is a governance problem, for which sadly there is a much harder solution.

212873 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to stewart, 4, #1235 of 1497 🔗

I doubt they really believed it was coming, though they may simply not have thought about it

Every step of the way, the government have seemed like they are making it up as they go along

The vaccine was always the only exit strategy because it’s the only one that covers up their mistake

Doing bad things in haste is one thing, but doing bad things to cover your sins is like the difference between committing a crime of passion and immediately regretting it as opposed to killing the witnesses

212917 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Julian, 3, #1236 of 1497 🔗

I used to wonder what the difference was between common or garden murder and ‘assassination’.
Apparently in France killing in haste or passion is murder, doing so with prior intent is Assassination.

We are being Assassinated.

213029 ▶▶▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to karenovirus, 1, #1237 of 1497 🔗

i read a post about extremely high prescribing of a drug to put the old folks into a restful sleep in France at the height of the fever in April, I cant remember the name of it, maybe they need a second go at it.

212877 ▶▶ Hubes, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #1238 of 1497 🔗

“if the NHS is overwhelmed we will see another long term lockdown and further economic damage”

We’re getting the 2nd long term lockdown and the final nail in the coffin of the economy anyway and neither had anything to do with NHS being overwhelmed. That is the line they are all going with though so ask him :

To clarify why he thinks that if the NHS was overwhelmed, why the only response to this would be to completely trash the economy and lock everybody up?

Also ask him why nothing has been done over the last 7 months to prepare the nhs for the winter. The excuse in March was they had no time to prepare so had no choice but to lockdown, but these wankers have been going on about the “second wave” since April so why did they do nothing to ensure the NHS wouldn’t be overwhelmed?

If lockdowns, masks, quarantine etc were good ideas and he must think they are to have voted them in then ask him why he thinks they haven’t worked at all and why implementing further lockdowns would work this time.

Ask him to clarify what he means by cases as he understands it.

213078 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Hubes, 1, #1239 of 1497 🔗

Thanks Hubes. Points noted. I’ll start my seconary assault on him tomorrow.

212886 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #1240 of 1497 🔗

If he doesn’t click on unsolicited links, you could download the file yourself and send it as an attachment. Then he’ll probably say he doesn’t open attached files. So you could copy and paste the entire lecture into an email. A bit tedious but could be done.

213018 ▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to Edward, 1, #1241 of 1497 🔗

he can always copy the text himself and then type it into youtu.be if he gives a fuck otherwise he is just not worth his stipend.

213003 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1242 of 1497 🔗

82 inpatients, and 31 deaths in a month, i.e. an average of 1 death per day.
Just how many beds does the hospital have? If its Huddersfield Royal Infirmary, there’s 810 beds, which means that 10% are occupied by CV19 patients. So 90% of the beds are unoccupied or have non-CV19 patients in them.
How exactly is the hospital close to being overwhelmed?
How does he know those patients definitely have CV19 or that it’s their main condition?

In summary: wtf is he talking about? Talk about exaggerating the situation.

213012 ▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to Lms23, 1, #1243 of 1497 🔗

write to him too to express your anger at his useless response, and also as others have posted tell him his post as an mp is a waste of time based on the input that they have had for 9 months and the amount of work they are doing. Suggest replacing them with dictator and senate of 12 much like we have now as they are as much use as the chattering classes yet get handsomely rewarded for doing jack shit.That might wake him a little.

213085 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Lms23, 1, #1244 of 1497 🔗

We’re talking Kirklees – 145,000 inhabitants. 31 deaths “with” covid!
I pointed out in my letter that many people were being labelled covid patients merely due to a positive test.
He still seems to believe the test numbers are actually cases.

212819 AnotherSceptic, 10, #1245 of 1497 🔗

I had a little bird

Her name was Enza

I opened the door and

Influenza

212828 swedenborg, 3, #1246 of 1497 🔗

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1321177359601393664.html

A very good read about maskmandate in Europe

212834 stewart, replying to stewart, 24, #1247 of 1497 🔗

Spain: 150 deaths per day – population 47,000,000
France: 240 deaths per day – population 67,000,000
Germany: 45 deaths per day – population 83,000,000
Italy: 140 deaths per day – population 60,000,000
UK: 200 deaths per day – population 67,000,000

Let’s just go on acting as if we didn’t know that this virus doesn’t actually kill many people. Let’s pretend it does and see how much of the world we can destroy in the process.

The world has lost its mind.

212854 ▶▶ Julian, replying to stewart, 10, #1248 of 1497 🔗

And those deaths are probably not all, by any means,greatly in “excess” of what is normal for this time of year

It’s one of those “I can’t believe this is happening to me” things – almost surreal.

212855 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to stewart, 6, #1249 of 1497 🔗

Not forgetting that most of them will be with COVID rather than from COVID.

212863 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to stewart, 11, #1250 of 1497 🔗

I can only conclude that the policy is to destroy the world.

Should any historians survive to recount our sorry descent into murderous insanity, they will spend a lifetime picking over the bones of how this came to happen.

212874 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Richard O, 4, #1251 of 1497 🔗

Without doubt it is the policy, to destroy western civilisation, and the vast majority of the people. Until now it’s been hiding in plain sight within the ‘climate change’ plans. Agenda 21 – look it up.
There are different global players with slightly different aims and at some point they’ll presumably end up fighting one another over what’s left of the world.

212891 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Rosie, 2, #1252 of 1497 🔗

What strikes me as most odd is that the world left behind after the kind of global genocidal operations that one hears about in the alternative media will be a truly dreadful place. Who would want to live somewhere like this?

212909 ▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Richard O, -2, #1253 of 1497 🔗

I didn’t take you for a quitter.

212958 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Richard O, #1254 of 1497 🔗

Well, it’s the surveillance and control aspect that caused even the WEF pause for thought – but as I say, they aren’t the most powerful outfit. They are receiving the goodies for now, but ultimately will be slaves or dead like us.
So people like BG are seriously malign, and Blair and others…. then others are caught up in it, and it seems to take as little as a few tens of thousand of £, for people to sell their soul (and their children) …. and others ae brainwashed ….and others in receipt of subsidies to put solar panels on their roof/wind turbines on their land and soothe their conscience in the way that people do, by turning a blind eye.

213102 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Richard O, #1255 of 1497 🔗

Thousands will survive to join the scientists, philosophers, psychiatrists etc.,all studying the Great Insanity. And pretending they weren’t complicit at the time.

212866 ▶▶ calchas, replying to stewart, 3, #1256 of 1497 🔗

Not even that.

How do you know that these people are dying of somthing called ‘covid-10’

A ‘covid death’ refers merely to someone who ‘tested positive’ on the 28 days before death.

The official figures are therefore meaningless.

euromomo.eu shows no excess mortality.

I fail to see the evidence for a continuing pandemic.

212920 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to calchas, #1257 of 1497 🔗

Yet Europe locking down again.
Why?

212996 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #1258 of 1497 🔗

I can only assume it is because it isn’t about Covid-19 – which even by dubious official figures isn’t serious enough to reduce the worlds population – the worlds population will still increase this year.

Attention amongst the ‘elites’ clearly turned to the Great Reset / Build Back Better / Green new deal months ago. What is happening now is simply a smokescreen, fraud or scam.

212838 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 11, #1259 of 1497 🔗

For T&T: phone number 02079303344 is a switchboard of 10 Downing Street

212882 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1260 of 1497 🔗

thanks its in my phone

213038 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Iansn, 2, #1261 of 1497 🔗

I’d love them to get all those duplicate phonecalls described on Monday!

212839 cloud6, replying to cloud6, 9, #1262 of 1497 🔗

I have just come up with a brilliant idea (lightbulb moment), wouldn’t it be a great idea to move Christmas forward a month to November 25, then all go and live in a cave until March. Have A Merry Christmas.

212843 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to cloud6, 7, #1263 of 1497 🔗

Why don’t we call the Christmas turkey a Boris from now on? Mainly because, like him, it’s stuffed.

212842 AnotherSceptic, 10, #1264 of 1497 🔗

A new word for 2020 for the sheep

212848 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 2, #1265 of 1497 🔗

Mask wearers are either; brainwashed, defeated, or in an operating theatre …..

212867 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Major Panic, 5, #1266 of 1497 🔗

You missed another option: EVIL.

212883 ▶▶ IMoz, replying to Major Panic, 5, #1267 of 1497 🔗

Well, actually, you’ll be surprised, you’ll find surgeons without masks in operating theatres nowadays too: they know the masks “don’t do jack” and might make things worse.

212901 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Major Panic, 7, #1268 of 1497 🔗

Masks are for people who can’t read.
Who can’t read:
a) the evidence, demonstrating their uselessness in a suppression strategy;
b) the mountain of discussion documents critiquing the suppression strategy per se;
c) the UK mask law, which allows ALL OF US to declare ourselves exempt.

213041 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Major Panic, 2, #1269 of 1497 🔗

Good job France had masks. Wankers.

212860 IMoz, replying to IMoz, 8, #1270 of 1497 🔗

Hang on a minute: the UK Gov’t strikes a deal for “Stay Home, Stay Safe” on 2nd March [1] and the WHO only proclaims “pandemic” on 11th [2]?.. Coincidence, of course…

1. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/10/25/government-struck-119m-covid-advertising-deal-weeks-first-lockdown/

2. https://www.euro.who.int/en/health-topics/health-emergencies/coronavirus-covid-19/news/news/2020/3/who-announces-covid-19-outbreak-a-pandemic

212913 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to IMoz, #1271 of 1497 🔗

Send that one to Toby, re the free speech union Ofcom case.

212965 ▶▶▶ IMoz, replying to Country Mumkin, #1272 of 1497 🔗

Don’t have a means to contact him.

212986 ▶▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to IMoz, #1273 of 1497 🔗
213131 ▶▶▶▶▶ IMoz, replying to Sarigan, #1274 of 1497 🔗

spoke too soon: that email bounces

212989 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to IMoz, #1275 of 1497 🔗

You can use the lockdownsceptics email address that Toby usually puts towards the end of the daily post..

213060 ▶▶▶▶▶ IMoz, replying to Carrie, #1276 of 1497 🔗

I don’t usually have the attention span to read all the way till the end 😉

Anyway, emailed.

212870 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 14, #1277 of 1497 🔗

We all need a laugh.

213024 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to AnotherSceptic, 1, #1278 of 1497 🔗

😀

212875 DJ Dod, replying to DJ Dod, 9, #1279 of 1497 🔗

I would like to hope that Lord Sumption’s excellent lecture gives some of our lacklustre MPs pause for thought. If nothing else, it proves that you can’t fool all of the people all of the time…

212932 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to DJ Dod, 8, #1280 of 1497 🔗

Lord Sumption. History will judge him well. Johnson. History will condemn him forever more. Just a question of time. Each person below the “elite” levels is collateral damage to this bullshit.

212977 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Leemc23, 4, #1281 of 1497 🔗

But history is manipulated and created by the media and establishment.

Any researchers looking back at the UK media response in the future (and not understanding figures) might get the impression there was a genuine plague. Just look at some of the propaganda images the media have used, it certainly doesn’t resemble reality, but the majority of the British public have been completely fooled.

212992 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Darryl, 1, #1282 of 1497 🔗

And it rather depends who ‘wins’ and even in the best case scenario whether there is ever the reckoning we hope for, or it all just fizzles out.

213009 ▶▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #1283 of 1497 🔗

There are certain other incidents in history which certainly have never had any reckoning despite all evidence being open public knowledge – ‘weapons of mass destruction’ and illegal wars for example. Enquires are usually carried out by establishment insiders so I would pin much hope on them.

213037 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to Darryl, 1, #1284 of 1497 🔗

A people committe and a guillotine is needed

213032 ▶▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Darryl, 1, #1285 of 1497 🔗

Everything has been thrown at this to get the Stats high enough to justify their measures. Nothing and I do mean nothing has got them there. That’s the hope of history. It removes the emotion and leaves the hard data. Nothing in March or how justifies any of this. However much they try.

212961 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to DJ Dod, 2, #1286 of 1497 🔗

It won’t because I suspect many are unaware who he is, and would probably consider it a waste of time to listen to him when they can spend time on twitter.

212884 Frank Garrett, replying to Frank Garrett, 2, #1287 of 1497 🔗

I can’t tell the difference between Chris Witty and that marionette.

213063 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Frank Garrett, #1288 of 1497 🔗

Lol – I think that was the intent!!

212892 Jonathan Palmer, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 15, #1289 of 1497 🔗

As Europe locks down again in step with each other can we all agree that incompetence theory is no longer viable.
I’ve looked at a lot of WEF stuff today and am not convinced that is the reason either.Klaus seems to be almost a religious leader rather than a coup organiser.
Where is the impetus coming from and who has the power to order Europeans to destroy themselves.
Answers on a postcard please

212923 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 8, #1290 of 1497 🔗

The WEF certainly does have power but it’s not the most powerful of the global players. There is Soros/Blair, the bankers, China and – it seems to me that the answer to your question is one individual, time and time again it seems to be BG.
There is also the ‘whirlpool’ thing, a massive huge groupthink with associated eddies of power/money that sucks people on and grows in power as it rotates around….. and it’s older than anyone now living. One of the biggest sources of the horrible ideas is in Nazism – the putting of the earth before the humans, the wind turbines.

This page is messy, but I’ve provided at least some of the information, (if anyone here can tidy this page up for me I’d appreciate it a lot).
https://www.beautyandthebeastlytruth.com/the-conflict-of-ideas

The goal of destroying western civilisation, and how to do it, comes from Gramsci, long dead.

212959 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Rosie, 7, #1291 of 1497 🔗

I’ve long seen this crisis as our Sack of Rome moment and the barbarians have breached the gates.

213054 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Rosie, #1292 of 1497 🔗

“Combined with the controlled destruction of global food supplies internationally, COVID has ensured that strategic food chain supplies are being ripped to shreds, with the UN reporting the worst food crisis in over 50 years (and that is not accounting for the oncoming blowout of the bubble economy).

Why was this permitted to happen? Well, besides the obvious intention to induce “a controlled disintegration of the economy” as Volcker so coldly stated, the idea was always to create the conditions described by the late Maurice Strong (sociopath and Rothschild cut-out extraordinaire) in 1992, when he rhetorically asked:

“What if a small group of world leaders were to conclude that the principal risk to the Earth comes from the actions of the rich countries? And if the world is to survive, those rich countries would have to sign an agreement reducing their impact on the environment. Will they do it? The group’s conclusion is ‘no’. The rich countries won’t do it. They won’t change. So, in order to save the planet, the group decides: Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn’t it our responsibility to bring that about?””

[Maurice Strong started the UN IPCC – International Panel on Climate Change.]

https://www.europereloaded.com/what-the-great-reset-architects-dont-want-you-to-understand-about-economics/

213062 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Lms23, #1293 of 1497 🔗

Our responsibility ‘ – why them? We did not elect them…nor ask them to do this..

Those Georgia Guidestones worry me…

213179 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Rosie, #1294 of 1497 🔗

It’s instructive in this context to think about WW2 wartime alliances. The UK, a capitalist and imperialist nation with a parliamentary democracy, allied itself with the USSR, a totalitarian Communist country. It also allied itself with the USA, a rival democratic and imperial power. Despite fighting for “liberty” it maintained control of its colonies. It effectively turned its back on Poland’s constitutional government, allowing that country to fall under Communist rule. Elsewhere it maintained its alliance with Portugal, a right wing authoritarian dictatorship and supported a Petainist in Algeria. Italy was allowed to turn itself from enemy to ally overnight. Austria was allowed to pose as an innocent victim. Finland, which we originally we supported when invaded by the USSR, was later abandoned.

In other words it was a highly complex picture. There was no grand, centrally controlled, conspiracy but there were ruthless confluences of interests and clearly the big players like the USA, USSR and UK dominated how the alliance operated.

212930 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 10, #1295 of 1497 🔗

Still see no sufficient reason to abandon incompetence, alongside dishonesty and arrogance, and seasoned with self interest and opportunism.

It would take far too many assumptions about abilities, organisations and motivations not presently in evidence to persuade me to switch to any form of organised and premeditated guiding structure as “the explanation”.

Similarities in behaviour, especially at the rather haphazard levels seen, is easily explained by groupthink, common but not organised goals, contexts and motivations, and self-protecting herd behaviour (“they can’t blame me if I’m doing what everyone else is doing”).

212945 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Mark, 6, #1296 of 1497 🔗

Mark, I would agree, but having spent months looking into ‘climate change’ and talking to some of the faithful old warriors who have battled this for decade after decade – I can’t.
Lockdown uses the same rhetoric, the same types of lies, and the same cast of characters.

212966 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Rosie, 6, #1297 of 1497 🔗

Incompetence is easily believable when you look at Hancock and Johnson but the synchronised response despite differing rates and outcomes swings it for me.Politicians one skill is following a party line and defending it.
They are following a set plan with long term goals but who,what,why is puzzling.

213033 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Mark, 3, #1298 of 1497 🔗

BG

213040 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 2, #1299 of 1497 🔗

BG2

212936 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 7, #1300 of 1497 🔗

I’m certainly not ruling that out, JP, but it still looks like peer pressure and groupthink to me over the last week. One country locks down in response to rising positive tests and starts the trend and they go like dominoes.

212949 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #1301 of 1497 🔗

Look at the stats for Germany.How on earth can they lock down?

212963 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 5, #1302 of 1497 🔗

Possibly partly just to assert control while they still can. My understanding is that there’s a lot more open and influential opposition there than here or France.

213045 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #1303 of 1497 🔗

Yes, I too think that plans have been accelerated in response to protest – so they lock us down/up quick before we organise ourselves ….
please do get organised into small groups of friends who work together on a specific strategy….
I’m worried that they will throw the whole ACU2020 team into prison together.

213108 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Rosie, #1304 of 1497 🔗

Agreed..
You also wonder what might happen aa a consequence of the US election…

213161 ▶▶▶▶▶ Helen, replying to Charlie Blue, #1305 of 1497 🔗

Yes, they are. Organised on a number of fronts, overlapping and interlinking

  • Demos organised by Querdenken nationwide (leaders are lawyers)
  • Doctors for the truth
  • Lawyers for the truth
  • Media support .. excellent social media helped censored profs and dr’s voice their opinion
  • Inquiry Team……… Corona Ausschuss..leaders doctors and lawyers
  • Started International movement ACU2020.org
  • Latest is the Corona Info Bus Tour (already visited many towns) slight set back after cyber attack
213020 ▶▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #1306 of 1497 🔗

When you read the substance it’s fairly “light” in terms of restrictions. So puzzling what their game is.

213086 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #1307 of 1497 🔗

Well, Wales did.
True, we are governed by a criminal lunatic imbecile, but so, presumably, is Germany.

213120 ▶▶▶▶ Helen, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #1308 of 1497 🔗

I wonder if they are worried about panic buying therefore are playing down lockdown (light) of households (not that it was that severe in LD1) but the shops were stripped bare of many items and I have noticed they never seem to have returned to pre LD1 stocking levels for some things.

213132 ▶▶▶▶▶ Helen, replying to Helen, 1, #1309 of 1497 🔗

Today masks in the market square back to near 100% after a period of less masking in evidence..fear levels have risen in response to the box in the living room reporting cases increasing…cases…cases blah blah blah bullshit

212948 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 11, #1310 of 1497 🔗

It’s essentially a debt reset so it benefits western governments – the financial system has never recovered from the dotcom bubble. Every year the amount of growth that the developed world produces for the amount of increased debt falls – we are at the point where billions are being created by central banks but it produces next to no growth in the real world. The system is broken – and they have taken the easy option of exaggerating a health problem to reset the whole financial system.

Also we have the whole sinister long term UN / WEF agenda of one world government and diluting national states, cultures and religions. Plus the elite really do see the masses like a herd of sheep to be controlled and managed – they would love us shut away at home microchipped and subdued.

These people are also using the environment as an excuse for tyranny – pure hypocrisy given how people like the Rothschilds, Carnegies and Rockefellers made fortunes on the back of industry.

213005 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Darryl, 5, #1311 of 1497 🔗

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/10/28/the-great-reset.aspx?cid_source=dnl&cid_medium=email&cid_content=art1HL&cid=20201028Z1&mid=DM692956&rid=997955403

‘Covid 19 is a false flag to reset the world’

It’s an interesting article, and made me think more about why Sweden is getting away with fewer mandatory policies… I feel it is because we use digital ID (provided in a Bank app) in a lot of situations already. So quite a few aspects of the global reset/carbon zero are at least in part already here..

213013 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Carrie, 4, #1312 of 1497 🔗

I’d wondered about that!

213059 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Cheezilla, #1313 of 1497 🔗

We use our personal number (from the population register) plus the bank app (which we create our own password for) as a digital signature to access various websites such as the tax office, medical notes, benefits offices etc. It is convenient, but obviously means you leave a digital footprint wherever you go..
However you could say the same about any shopping online, like Amazon – all sorts of algorithms follow what you do..

Places such as libraries and gyms here require the personal number for membership plus a password that you create yourself – they don’t use the Bank ID app. There is some logic to this because organisations such as libraries can then use the personal number to find you (by address) if you should for example run up fines for overdue books or just not return them. The population register is updated when you move, so a library would be able to trace you even if you had moved house. Would not be the case if you had just manually entered an address or shown a utility bill when you joined.

As far as I know, you do not (yet!) get locked out of the governmental sites by the bank app if you (for example) are in debt..!

213047 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Carrie, 1, #1314 of 1497 🔗

The problem is we can’t even pursued the general population that lockdowns are destructive and will simply kill more younger and healthy people for the purpose of extending the lives of often unhealthy 80+ years olds by a few months.

So we don’t stand a chance of explaining the false flag concept to people – the reaction from the start worldwide looked more like oppression and a massive expansion of the police state than a health emergency. How can anyone look at Melbourne and consider that normal?

212951 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 5, #1315 of 1497 🔗

I think they’re all as stupid as each other TBH. None of the senior politicians in any country have a clue how to handle this pan dem ic so they all just blindly copy each other.
IMO, they are sh***ing themselves about the winter in case it’s a bad flu year and there really is a high death rate, hospitals overwhelmed etc. That’s the worst case scenario for them and if it did happen the media and opposition would be baying for blood over their perceived inaction. The lockdowns are all about them covering their own sorry arses so they can’t be blamed. They’ll just turn around and say “well we had lockdown, restrictions etc. we did everything in our power so it ain’t our fault”.

212985 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, #1316 of 1497 🔗

What pandemic?

-Show me the current death figures please that are the ecidence for a pandemic.

213010 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to calchas, 2, #1317 of 1497 🔗

S/he emphatically did not say there is a pandemic. There is plenty of evidence of a panic all around us.

213021 ▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #1318 of 1497 🔗

Sorry -my aging eyes failed to notice the crossing-out.

213092 ▶▶ Helen, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #1319 of 1497 🔗

What do you think about the BRI Jonathan?

I have been studying the China – BRI and have been posting parts of it on here.

I am not sure but I think this is somehow behind the demolishon . I think the UK Gov will publish a development paper in early nov. and then the picture might become clearer. Hard lockdown areas like Bavaria have already many contracts.. and I suspect this to be a pattern and a kind of oneupmanship to show their new master how authoritative they are (just theorising here). Scotland and offshore wind energy f. eg.

This is not to say that WEF are also not a part of the web.. heres the WEF page on BRI and China
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/05/covid-19-coronavirus-disrupt-chinas-bri/

213118 ▶▶ Kate, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #1320 of 1497 🔗

There is this post from Kate Williams on Off Guardian which is interesting

https://off-guardian.org/2020/10/28/the-last-days-of-the-trumpian-reich/

Brexit and the ‘War on Carbon’ are from the same school as Covid, they are both economic warfare aimed at maintaining American greatness, but Covid is the quick, dynamic, slightly desperate move they needed to implement, quickly before the Dollar went down. It is an emergency shut down to save the dollar. Brexit was a forced annexation of the UK, out of the European camp, which has long been hated by the USA, for its ‘waste’ of resources on its wealthy and healthy population. Embarrassing the US through its social programmes and economic success. Brexit has turned out less than perfect for the US, as the UK turns in to more of a liability than an asset.
It is no coincidence that the shutting down of Australia was so brutal, with all it’s natural resources, it will be shaken to breaking point, like any third world country was in south Americas, until it’s resources are totally US owned. The US ‘must’ control its lithium mines, especially in the light of the recent failed CIA coup in Bolivia, which has lost them the chance of mines closer at home.
The USA is using the old IMF model of resource looting, that it has run for years, but on a massive scale, implemented Viceroys or Quislings, working for US interests, in far-right or ‘soft fascist’ parties in each country, In tandem with widespread sanctions on victim states, especially against Europe. Europe was the real target of both the Iranian and the Russian sanctions.
The USA’s targets are all important sectors in the rich countries of the world, in parallel with a partial shut down at home which will further concentration of wealth and consolidate monopolies & cartels operated by a few large Corporations. This is brought about by the bankruptcies of independent medium and small business businesses.
Covid is world freeze on an inevitable Dollar collapse. The dollar collapse has been suspended until all accusations have been made. When the assets are all under US control then the dollar can be allowed to die. I’m sure the US elites and oligarchs have many schemes to play out during the looting of world wealth, like vaccines, a form of licence or tax on life, social credit apps to loot all private data, destruction of local theatres, and entertainment to be replaced by soulless Netflix, amazon and apple TV. They even intend issuing ‘google university level degrees, to replace our universities and education systems. They think this is the salvation of America, it is their plan to extend the empire, from a very weak position. It doest not mean it will work but this is the plan.
As they have demonstrated in Venezuela and in Iran if you don’t acquiesce, then they will destroy you, I have no doubt that has been made very clear to the elites in France, Germany and the UK. In the case of the UK they were pushing at an open door because American can never fuck the UK hard enough, they will always ask for more. This is what I think is happening, A US scripted a ‘safety net’ for American Empire or at least the wealthy American elites.
As this is being played out it feels like the very nature of space-time itself is being warped, it is the end of the biggest empire in History, but they are not going to go down quietly. If it means the destruction of an entire continent, the mass murder of millions, the damnation of billions to a life of torture and starvation, they are happy to accept that as a price to maintain some of their wealth and position. They are already demonstrating their psychotic nature in Venezuela and Iran as we speak. The price we will be asked to pay in lives for the preservation of the empire and their wealth is limitless. So you may ask if the Chinese are going to be any better? I really don’t see how they could be much worse, we have been insulated from what the horror the US has handed out in south America for the past 60 years.
You are looking only at Anthony Fauci or Gates or Soros because the CIA want you to, they are the targets of your ‘2 minutes of hate’, When you need to be looking at the bigger picture. The CIA have created the illusion of the NWO, because it means they can carry on doing what they are doing without the population and politicians getting wise to it. I think you should start to look at real history and real geopolitics and build on that to understand what is happening today, rather than the distracting fantasies the CIA are pushing out to district us from Empire, and to keep the American people in the dark.

212900 Rosie, 11, #1321 of 1497 🔗

Once again urging everyone to convert themselves into an activist!

Pick a campaign and get involved. Join up with friends here, or join me on climate change/masks, or email Lord Sumption or any of the other existing campaigns. Ask around until you find someone who wants you and you can work with.

Helen asked if my ‘climate change’ booklet is ready… and it certainly is.

It’s here on my website as text – also in PDF form to download and printout or forward on social media/whatever – also you can email Philip Foster to order printed copies @ £1 each

https://www.beautyandthebeastlytruth.com/

Philip’s address is at the bottom of the booklet.

The most popular page is this one, on psychological manipulation.
https://www.beautyandthebeastlytruth.com/psychological-manipulation

Anyone interested to here more from Piers Corbyn can look here for a booklet written by him
https://www.beautyandthebeastlytruth.com/booklets

212903 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 6, #1322 of 1497 🔗

French President Macron says up to 400,000 people will die if no action is taken, lockdown will be eased when number of new cases falls to 5,000 a day

212907 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to swedenborg, 14, #1323 of 1497 🔗

Blah blah blah blah exactly the same murderous propaganda as back in March. 400,000 will probably die as a direct result of the new lockdown.

212911 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to swedenborg, 8, #1324 of 1497 🔗

I’m sure a few of us here could suggest one surefire way to reduce the number of new cases to below 5,000 a day…

212919 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 7, #1325 of 1497 🔗

Kill everyone! No people = no new cases. Problem solved.

213125 ▶▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to Richard O, #1326 of 1497 🔗

Yep let’s toss some nukes about and get back to normal soon. I have no doubt global nuclear war would eradicate covid and ALL the mask factories in one go.

212926 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to swedenborg, -5, #1327 of 1497 🔗

Well it’s over folks. Where France leads Bo Jo follows. France will force us to close just as a consequence of border control. It’s over folks the wankers won.

212928 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Leemc23, 9, #1328 of 1497 🔗

Quitter.

212947 ▶▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to John P, 4, #1329 of 1497 🔗

I should have been clearer. I won’t be giving up. But my hope was that somehow we would be spared Lockdown 2. I don’t think we will be now. France will bully Bonzo into it is my suspicion.

213162 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Leemc23, 1, #1330 of 1497 🔗

Good opportunity for Brexit MPs to force Boris to take a stand against the Malevolent Midget.

212943 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 8, #1331 of 1497 🔗

I should stress. It’s Not over for me. I will never give up.

212972 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Leemc23, 9, #1332 of 1497 🔗

They will never win. Even if this country ends a fucking wasteland, I’ll be there at the end, pointing like the kid from The Simpsons going ‘ha ha’

213075 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Tom Blackburn, #1333 of 1497 🔗

You won’t be alone.

213201 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Tom Blackburn, #1334 of 1497 🔗

Nelson. A few echoes there … 🙂

212980 ▶▶▶ Chris Hume, replying to Leemc23, 19, #1335 of 1497 🔗

If they do that, they will reap the whirlwind. Mutiny is brewing anyway, all that will do is move even more into our camp. We are winning. They are now targeting us square on, because they fear us. They know they are getting deeper and deeper into the mire, and are resorting to ever increasing alarmism to stave off the inevitable reckoning. The Telegraph is going along with it in the hope that they can save Boris’s Government by doing so, but they know that things are getting more desperate. We will win. As sure as objective truth will always be objective truth.

213030 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Chris Hume, 3, #1336 of 1497 🔗

Are they going to shut down till after Dec 31st, so that any chaos caused by Brexit can be blamed on Covid?

213046 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Carrie, 1, #1337 of 1497 🔗

Any chaos caused by the CV19 lockdowns will be blamed on Brexit. Or CV19. Or both. But not the absolute rank incompetence and sheer destructiveness of the politicians.

At the end of this, when our economy and society has been destroyed, i think the only worse time in British history could be the Black Death of the 1300s. That changed and ended the feudal society forever, but I have an awful suspicion that it’s what we’ll end up going back to.

213073 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Lms23, #1338 of 1497 🔗

If depopulation is the agenda, then the UK, as the most densely populated country in Europe, is the main target to attack…

Sweden, with a population of 10.2 million on a large land mass, and not a global power, is likely less important in the scheme of things..

213002 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Leemc23, 2, #1339 of 1497 🔗

The rumour last time was that Macron said he would close the channel ports if bojo didn’t lockdown -ie starve us.
Hopefully we have made contingency plans if he tries that again -havent we?

213017 ▶▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to arfurmo, 1, #1340 of 1497 🔗

Boris Johnson’s government and contingency plans. Hmmmm.

The same man who once announced to a room full of people not to worry about Breixt as “we will still have Champagne and Pantone”.

And then he quit.

and then he became PM.

And then he abused the entire country.

213036 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to arfurmo, 3, #1341 of 1497 🔗

I made my own contingency plans by growing lots of pumpkins…I did warn people back in March and nobody took any notice…. but it goes to show how much one can see ahead once one gets adept at reading the ‘nudging’.

212914 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 15, #1342 of 1497 🔗

Went to the British Library yesterday to renew my reader’s pass (have to break my boycott for work reasons) and see the Hebrew Manuscripts exhibition.

One way systems were very confusing so it took me forever to find the cafe whereas in the past, I could go round the building blindfolded. Loads of desks and seats blocked off and while once upon a time, it was a hub of activity now its a ghost town devoid of people.

The only upside are the lovely staff who didn’t harass me and were polite and welcoming.

Dystopian rating: 5/10

212938 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #1343 of 1497 🔗

Sorry to hear your horrible experience. Hoping it improves for you. My husband is going there once a week at present and has the system sussed and finding he enjoys it again.

212941 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Rosie, 2, #1344 of 1497 🔗

I’ll have to book a reader’s ticket soon but will just buy a sandwich or lunch outside to avoid having to go through the hassle of that cafe again.

213023 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #1345 of 1497 🔗

I give him a good breakfast and a packet of homemade sandwiches to take – we’re old fashioned LOL.
What’s your subject?

213127 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Rosie, #1346 of 1497 🔗

My subject is History, specifically British history from 1870 to 1939.

However work-wise, have to deal with stuff from the Renaissance (bare minimum) to the present.

212924 Maccynic, replying to Maccynic, 2, #1347 of 1497 🔗

“A Public Health Scotland report, commissioned the Scottish government, has suggested there was no statistical evidence hospital discharges led to care home outbreaks” .

Thank goodness for that then.

212939 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to Maccynic, 6, #1348 of 1497 🔗

Amnesty International and basic common sense would disagree…

212988 ▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to kenadams, #1349 of 1497 🔗

Who the fick are AI they are nowhere on any of th COVID farce. they are just a bed wetting group whatever irrelevance.

213039 ▶▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Iansn, 2, #1350 of 1497 🔗

They’ve compiled a comprehensive report on the care homes fiasco, which at least summarises and confirms what we’d all guessed.

212955 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Maccynic, 2, #1351 of 1497 🔗

No statistical evidence for lockdown either. Funny how sometimes the stats fit a certain narrative.

213074 ▶▶ annie, replying to Maccynic, 2, #1352 of 1497 🔗

Commissioned by the Scottish government.
Liars.
QED.

213128 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Maccynic, #1353 of 1497 🔗

I’m sure some modelling could show that it did or is modelling only right when predicting the future?

212925 Jonathan Smith, replying to Jonathan Smith, 15, #1354 of 1497 🔗

And here we go. Project Fear continues.

“Covid daily deaths in France are at the highest level since April. On Tuesday, 33,000 new cases were confirmed.”

From the BBC. They don’t actually say what the numbers of deaths are in the first sentence or make clear that cases aren’t deaths or even sick people in the second. I despair of this irresponsible reporting designed only to ramp up fear.

In the same report Macron tells us ICU beds in Paris are 70% filled with COVID 17 patients. Again the BBC provides no context. How usual is this for the time of the year.

213057 ▶▶ Christopher, replying to Jonathan Smith, 2, #1355 of 1497 🔗

33 , There’s that number again.

213110 ▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to Christopher, #1356 of 1497 🔗

It’s a favorite of the A-holes running things no doubt

213104 ▶▶ djaustin, replying to Jonathan Smith, #1357 of 1497 🔗

Well it’s an obvious point, but the previous normal rate of occupancy for COVID19 patients in ICU was 0%. It’s also far too early for influenza cases, which typically peak in January not October. An ICU full of COVID19 patients any cope with capacity, but other care is frozen as no serious operations will take place without HDU/ICU access.

212934 Will, replying to Will, 9, #1358 of 1497 🔗

Is Boris going to stand up to Macron this time or will he allow himself to be bullied into lockdown?

212937 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Will, 17, #1359 of 1497 🔗

They are both following the same orders

212970 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #1360 of 1497 🔗

From China.

212983 ▶▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to Londo Mollari, 16, #1361 of 1497 🔗

God only make sure the orange man wins next month or the world is fucked, if he wins he will come out fighting and make sure(as there is no more personal context for him, he has 4 years to do what he wants) he sorts out the left/WHO/global warming insert your hate figure here -permanently

212995 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Londo Mollari, 5, #1362 of 1497 🔗

Talking of China, is anyone here following Lude media?
There was an interesting video today about corruption high up in the UK, specifically Cameron and his wife’s business links to China, but he mentioned that there was more to say about Boris, which would be coming soon…

213022 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Carrie, 1, #1363 of 1497 🔗

Here’s a link to Lude media re David Cameron: https://twitter.com/white_rabbit_76/status/1321201367978041346

There are some other interesting posts in the thread, both about Cameron and his wife Samantha..

213025 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Carrie, 5, #1364 of 1497 🔗

Finding out that Boris was either being blackmailed or he was complicit in something dodgy would not now surprise me in the slightest.
His change of personality and 180 degree in his beliefs have to have an explanation.

213066 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Lms23, 1, #1365 of 1497 🔗

I’d agree with you, except that he did write (at least once) that the planet was over-populated, and his dad wrote a novel called ‘The Virus’ and several books on depopulation.

I shall be keeping an eye on Lude media – they were ahead of the game as regards Hunter Biden..

213123 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Carrie, 1, #1366 of 1497 🔗

Hunter Biden claimed well over a year ago he would withdraw from the Chinese equity company he was associated with, though the NY post reported a couple of months ago he had not done so.

213178 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Lms23, 2, #1367 of 1497 🔗

Oh dear! Boris hasn’t changed behaviour or character – he’s always been a lying, psychopathic narcissist whose only ‘belief’ is ‘Me’.

213199 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Londo Mollari, #1368 of 1497 🔗

From Schwab.

212973 ▶▶▶ John Smith, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 4, #1369 of 1497 🔗

Can’t believe how anyone could believe otherwise by this stage in proceedings.

213117 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Will, 2, #1370 of 1497 🔗

Back in Spring Macron threatened to close the Channel ports if the UK failed to lock down. Johnson caved. This time he needs to tell Merkel if France closes the Channel crossings we will close the Channel and North Sea approaches to all EU shipping.

213137 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Will, 3, #1371 of 1497 🔗

Didn’t Macron state that France would not lock down again under any circumstances? Why the sudden change of heart?

213152 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to A. Contrarian, #1372 of 1497 🔗

Thought was Italy but might be wrong

212954 John P, replying to John P, 62, #1373 of 1497 🔗

I’ve noticed a fair bit of defeatist language on the threads tonight. It generally gets my goat.

Whatever happens, I urge you not to allow bad news to deter you. None of us like the current situation, but there is no reason to throw in the towel.

Macron can do what he wants with France. This is the UK, specifically in my case England. We have our own battles to fight here.

And I don’t care if it takes ten days, ten weeks, ten months or ten years. I am not going to let this defeat me.

Don’t expect this to be over and done with any time soon. Maintain balance and determination whatever gets thrown at you.

212968 ▶▶ calchas, replying to John P, 28, #1374 of 1497 🔗

Well said John.

I think the new lockdowns will create and are creating more resistance.

212975 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to John P, 23, #1375 of 1497 🔗

Good post John. We all need to stay strong and united.

213015 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to John P, 9, #1376 of 1497 🔗

Well said and thank you.
Please everyone find something specific to do and throw your heart and mind into it!
Just get active and throw caution, old habits and good manners to the wind!

213055 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to John P, 22, #1377 of 1497 🔗

Hitherto, I have resisted going to church on Sunday; I do NOT like (a) the masks face-nappies and (b) taking communion in one kind only and (c) elbow-bumping at the ‘peace’.
However, I now think that this view is not good enough; on Sunday I will (i.e. intend, shall is ‘mere futurity’) (a) go to church without a mask face-nappy, (b) not take communion, I will take it in BOTH kinds or not at all (c) shake hands with whomever and NOT elbow-bump.
I will also remind any clergy whom I happen to meet that their complete and callous indifference to the very real sufferings of the people of this country has not gone unnoticed. Welby is a prime culprit of this and deserves, along with his entire useless, drippy bench of bishops, to be demoted to the level of trainee curates for seven years. See Daniel chapter 5.

213067 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Stephanos, 12, #1378 of 1497 🔗

Yes, how many if those hopeless bleating wimps have denounced the muzzling of children, the incarceration if students and the perpetual torture of old people by isolation? They are a disgrace to their dig collars, or rather their dog muzzles.

At least, if you go, there will be one true Christian in the church. The rest might as well be pillars of salt on a wet Sunday.

213065 ▶▶ annie, replying to John P, 3, #1379 of 1497 🔗

Too right.
Dearly as I live my fellow sceptics, whenever I see one of them wailing ‘I despair I despair I despair’,I get a strong urge to kick their virtual arse.
Snap out of it and do something positive.

213112 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to John P, 3, #1380 of 1497 🔗

Thanks John. We dearly need this!!!

213124 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to John P, 4, #1381 of 1497 🔗

Thanks for this. We need to stay strong everyone.

212957 Helen, 3, #1382 of 1497 🔗

More news from Germany
Corona Info Tour Bus has been cyber attacked.. taking a short break to fixed their systems

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcRmta9ixAoGPclvUFwHzrSuVGr02IvYTbc27A&usqp=CAU

212974 Iansn, replying to Iansn, 1, #1383 of 1497 🔗

im just looking at the case stats, how was there a doubling of cases on 3/4 october(not a weekend) in England but no corresponding rise in the other countries of the union, they over doubled in one day, there were 20k)in 300k+ so it doesnt follow the increase in tests) more tests on that day than the day before or after, but from that day forward the cases were 5k+ more per day than the days before 3 October.

213001 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Iansn, 12, #1384 of 1497 🔗

The entire PCR (Pandemic Continuation Racket) fraud renders any number except excess mortality meaningless for the purpose of objective enquiry. A quagmire wrapped in a swamp surrounded by a bog.. covered in fog. Best not to go there.

213103 ▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to Hieronimusb, 1, #1385 of 1497 🔗

Oooh that’s a beauty H! I will be using that one indefinitely!

213106 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Eddie, 1, #1386 of 1497 🔗

Pandemic Continuation Racket is brilliant!

213143 ▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Eddie, 1, #1387 of 1497 🔗

Panic Consolidation Routine

Buy one, get one free 😉

212984 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #1388 of 1497 🔗

I get this is a wild dream but what are the potential ramifications if Simon Dolan wins his case this week? Will Pfeffel not just rewrite the law properly this time?

212990 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1389 of 1497 🔗

Will they have to use the civil contingencies act instead of the public health act?

213000 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Carrie, 6, #1390 of 1497 🔗

It will have to go through Parliament instead of being done by tweeted diktat.

213011 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1391 of 1497 🔗

Exactly! Where MPs can vote against..
Also the measures can only last for a fixed amount of time..

213081 ▶▶▶▶▶ BobT, replying to Carrie, 4, #1392 of 1497 🔗

Trouble is that nearly all the MP,s have taken the cool aid and believe in their own fearmongering propaganda.

213048 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Tom Blackburn, 6, #1393 of 1497 🔗

I think the only way this ends is with an evidenced public demolition of the ‘science’ coupled with far more resistance than we are currently seeing. While the Govt can still maintain any shred of credibility, they will (must?) change statutory horses or do whatever is necessary, no matter the damage to long standing constitutional conventions and the country as a whole, in order to reach their objective. God forbid that we should have to find out what that is precisely.

213109 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Hieronimusb, 1, #1394 of 1497 🔗

From what we’ve seen in recent years, I doubt that the Judiciary have the backbone for it. I’d love to be wrong.. and we must not let it deter us in any case. If they could just open the door slightly it would help.

213115 ▶▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to Hieronimusb, 4, #1395 of 1497 🔗

There is another way. I’m not condoning or encouraging it of course, but think Ceauscescu.

213130 ▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to PompeyJunglist, 1, #1396 of 1497 🔗

If there is no other way then so be it.

213154 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to PompeyJunglist, #1397 of 1497 🔗

I think of him every time I see Mad Mark Dungford’s tortoise face.

213071 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Tom Blackburn, #1398 of 1497 🔗

What day is the case?

213080 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1399 of 1497 🔗

Starts tomorrow I believe..

212998 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1400 of 1497 🔗

I posted earlier a gentle message from a Jyotisher friend about the powerful Full Moon on Saturday.

I’ve just found another post from a different Vedic Astrologer. He explains why it’s time for revolution and the different ways we can approach that.

Vedic Astrology is nothing like the Mystic Meg-style horoscope stuff.

I know some of you will scoff but Michael is an old friend of mine with a towering intellect. He’s certainly no fool.

It’s an interesting and very significant report, worth seeing how it relates to you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSb-VN-9m4o&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR2q5seY06oeyezxV5gucXP6fhNUA9nBOu3dB2Wp1wX8St2xtkoHxm1_VHI

213008 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1401 of 1497 🔗

So long as it motivates people to get busy and get out of the house, protesting or activism in whatever form they do best, motivation thanks to moon or planets is fine by me!

213019 jb12, 7, #1402 of 1497 🔗

How anyone could think the BBC are impartial; BBC Scotland headline says ‘dozens’ of old people moved from hospital into care homes. The actual figure? 78. Maybe we could start saying dozens of new cases a day. It is only fair.

213028 Kate, replying to Kate, 22, #1403 of 1497 🔗

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/message-of-hope-for-humanity/?utm_source=salsa&eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=78ee0021-8bed-43d4-8ae4-46c5a2259a06

Robert Kennedy Junior
 You are on the front lines of the most important battle in history and it is the battle to save democracy, and freedom, and human liberty, and human dignity from this totalitarian cartel that is trying to rob us simultaneously, in every nation in the world, of the rights that every human being is born with. So, thank you for your courage, thank you for your commitment, and thank you for your brotherhood. And I can pledge to you: I will go down dying with my boots on fighting side-by-side with all of you to make sure that we return these rights and preserve them for our children. I will see all of you on the barricades.

213196 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Kate, 1, #1404 of 1497 🔗

A very brave man.

213197 ▶▶▶ Watt, replying to JohnB, #1405 of 1497 🔗

Yup!

213043 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 4, #1406 of 1497 🔗

If you haven’t read it, I highly recommend ‘The Most Dangerous Superstition’

The primary threat to freedom and justice is not greed, or hatred, or any of the other emotions or human flaws usually blamed for such things. Instead, it is one ubiquitous superstition which infects the minds of people of all races, religions and nationalities, which deceives decent, well-intentioned people into supporting and advocating violence and oppression. Even without making human beings one bit more wise or virtuous, removing that one superstition would remove the vast majority of injustice and suffering from the world.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/10836816-the-most-dangerous-superstition

213049 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Sarigan, 5, #1407 of 1497 🔗

Yes – all the govenment is is a gang of trousered mammals telling other trousered mammals that we must stay six feet apart from each other and wear pieces of cloth on our faces which obstruct our breathing.

….and if we don’t obey then they ultimately can inflict iolence upon us.

That’s what it all comes down to -just like chimpanzees, or those troupes of apes at the beginning of Kubrick’s ‘2001’

213099 ▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to calchas, 5, #1408 of 1497 🔗

I lost any faith in all forms of government when Iraq was invaded in 2003.
I don’t vote and will never listen to a frickin word they say ever again.

213050 AnotherSceptic, 8, #1409 of 1497 🔗

.

213052 John P, replying to John P, 25, #1410 of 1497 🔗

The Scottish Government’s proposed Hate Crime bill must be stamped upon by millions of feet until not one particle of its insolent presence remains upon this earth.

This present nonsense by the Scottish government is an affront to human society. Speak now. He that remains silent is deemed to have given his consent. Speak.

– Neil Oliver

213064 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to John P, 7, #1411 of 1497 🔗

Well said that man!

213107 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to John P, 5, #1412 of 1497 🔗

If that shit goes through I’m moving just over the border. all routes lead to me leaving this cesspit of a government.

213053 Laura Suckling, replying to Laura Suckling, 9, #1413 of 1497 🔗

Location –
The North Pole
Date 28th October 2020
Meeting of the Christmas Covid Compliance Committee

Santa – OK troops we have to keep to the rule of six this year
Blitzen – What?
Santa- Yeah, I know it’s a load of bollocks but, you know, good example and all that
Rudolf- Fucking Hell, It’s bad enough that I have to wear a muzzle, for fucks sake that sat nav is just no substitute for my glowing nose
Vixen- now we are 2 down on reindeer power , what the fuck
Comet- I’m going to need extra carrots Santa
Dasher- Can I have Dancer’s carrots then?
Dancer-Fuck off Dasher who said you are in the final 6?
Santa – calm down, we’re drawing straws for the final selection
Prancer- Santa we need a share of your brandy then to keep up our strength
Cupid-Prancer you’re a fucking alkie keep away from the brandy

And there was Peace on Earth (apart from the North Pole)

213082 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to Laura Suckling, 4, #1414 of 1497 🔗

Surely Rudolph has an exemption lanyard no?

213090 ▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Eddie, 3, #1415 of 1497 🔗

No exemption, the elves have spoken.

213149 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Eddie, 1, #1416 of 1497 🔗

If he’s got a red nose, he’s more likely to cough or sneeze isn’t he?

213155 ▶▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to CGL, 1, #1417 of 1497 🔗

No, I think his red nose is due to secretly drinking Santa’s brandy.

213061 A. Contrarian, 2, #1418 of 1497 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXWhbUUE4ko

Sorry if already posted, I haven’t seen it. Good for a rare laugh these days.

213068 Nessimmersion, replying to Nessimmersion, 11, #1419 of 1497 🔗

Who has panicked France & Germany into more lockdowns?
Euromomo does not show anything to get particularly alarmed about.

213079 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to Nessimmersion, 8, #1420 of 1497 🔗

Yes what a coincidence two superpowers clamp the padlock tight at the same time. No panic, just part of the 2nd wave global rollout plan

213083 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Eddie, 5, #1421 of 1497 🔗

There are no coincidences…

213084 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Nessimmersion, 2, #1422 of 1497 🔗

cases, cases, cases

213097 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Nessimmersion, 1, #1423 of 1497 🔗

Perhaps George has been on the phone.

213111 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Nessimmersion, 8, #1424 of 1497 🔗

Possibility of civil unrest after the US election next week?

213114 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #1425 of 1497 🔗

Snap – I just wrote that as a comment under a similar post!!

213116 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Carrie, 2, #1426 of 1497 🔗

Great minds think alike!

213070 EllGee, replying to EllGee, 16, #1427 of 1497 🔗

Got shoved up from Tier 2 to Tier 3 today (from Friday), a grand total of 18 in hospital. We’re three miles from South Yorkshire (and share a health trust with them) and knew it would happen even though Lincolnshire three miles in the other direction is still Tier 1. Notts rules are different from South Yorkshire so the beauty salons up the road will get a lot of new customers etc. Very despondent until reading reaction on Fb. The majority are saying no way Jose but not as politely as that. There are many quiet people who aren’t so quiet any more.

213148 ▶▶ Lydia, replying to EllGee, 4, #1428 of 1497 🔗

I’m north notts EllGee so tier 3 for me from Friday. Our local MP said he tried his best to avoid our area going into tier 3 but he can’t argue against the latest figures! He doesn’t argue about anything, just does what he’s told.

213072 Censored Dog, replying to Censored Dog, 4, #1429 of 1497 🔗

Blackpilled. That’s all I’m going to say tonight.

213198 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Censored Dog, #1430 of 1497 🔗

Charcoal tablets?

Do they keep the covids away?

213077 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #1431 of 1497 🔗

So sorry to the person who put the Vedic astrology Video on here. I tried to click on the video twice and can’t get it. Then I accidentally down voted it. Sorry… just clumsy fingers!

I’m very interested to see the video and would love another link. I do feel the power of moon and I do feel that we all share energy. Thanks again.

213091 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 10, #1433 of 1497 🔗

Anyone else finding the “newest posts” button unresponsive tonight?

213095 ▶▶ CGL, replying to OKUK, 1, #1434 of 1497 🔗

Think the thread at the top is pinned there. I thought it was just me.

213151 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to CGL, 1, #1435 of 1497 🔗

Yes just realised the oldest post with replies stays at the top even though you are in “newest”.

213098 ▶▶ matt, replying to OKUK, 1, #1436 of 1497 🔗

Almost always is for me, once posts approach 1,000 or I’ve not looked for a fairly long time.

213119 ▶▶ rose, replying to OKUK, 1, #1437 of 1497 🔗

Yes me

213105 Nobody2020, 15, #1438 of 1497 🔗

I was curious as to why no government that I’m aware of was critical about the potential human rights abuses in Victoria, Australia, bearing in mind the hullaballoo over Hong Kong. There are definitely human rights abuses in some countries.

Now it’s evident that they couldn’t criticise something they were planning on doing themselves.

213113 Cheezilla, 8, #1439 of 1497 🔗

,

213129 Paul, replying to Paul, 15, #1440 of 1497 🔗

I’ve just received an email from Specsavers here are the highlights,

Foggy lenses – Face masks and coverings have become a way of life in recent months – and for those of us who wear glasses, so have fogged-up lenses. To stop this from happening, ensure that your mask fits snugly, especially around your nose – a little bit of surgical tape can help to keep it in position. You could also try wearing your mask a little higher up your nose, and resting your glasses on top of it, if that’s comfortable.

Glasses glare – Whether for work or play, video calls have become a part of the new normal for many of us. While they’re a great way to stay in touch with family, friends and colleagues when we can’t see them in person, it can be harder for them to see your eyes if there’s glare from your glasses. To limit it, make sure any light sources are above head height and to the side of the camera.

Keeping your specs sparkling

One of the main pieces of advice for slowing the spread of COVID-19 is to avoid touching your face. This can be tricky if you wear glasses, particularly if you often need to take them on and off. As well as washing your hands frequently and for at least 20 seconds, it’s important to keep your glasses as clean as possible too.

Staying safe – It’s completely understandable if you’re feeling a little nervous about coming back in store, whether that’s for an eye test, help with your frames or to buy new spectacles or contact lenses. But we are open with you in mind, and we make your safety a priority. We’re following all local government guidelines regarding social distancing and the wearing of face coverings and PPE. We’ve enhanced our cleaning regimes too, and are encouraging electronic payments instead of cash.
Rather than coming into store, we might suggest that you chat to us by video or phone with RemoteCare, our free consultation service, as well as offering home delivery and the ability to buy online.

Arseholes.They asked for my feedback,so I gave it to them,several times over.

213158 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Paul, 2, #1441 of 1497 🔗

Has anybody seen the new Specsavers advert? all of the people modelling the glasses are all filmed up close and only show from the nose up i.e. the new default view of the masked zombies.

213138 Eddie, replying to Eddie, 2, #1442 of 1497 🔗

Hmmm, just had a brilliant idea.

Depends, makers of adult diapers, should definitely introduce their own brand of covid-busting face nappies at once. Just imagine…

“In these unprecedented times, we must come together and DEPEND on each other to stay healthy and alive. It DEPENDS on you to keep me safe and I too DEPEND on you. And now we at DEPENDS offer you the latest in covid-safe face nappy design – the Rona19 Facial Garment
Now available at all essential goods aisles nationwide!!”

213228 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Eddie, #1443 of 1497 🔗

NEW NEW NEW
For EXTRA protection, eliminating OVER 99.9% OF ALL AIRBORNE MICROBES, we’re proud to present our new DEPEND FIRE MAXXX face mask, impregnated with napalm. (Includes free lighter.)

213141 Smileits1984, 2, #1444 of 1497 🔗

Covid religion depicted previously in film….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCiEi8hgbOI

213146 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 4, #1445 of 1497 🔗

If they went with Targeted Protection they would get the blame if the virus spread to the vulnerable.

If they target everyone they can blame the people if the vulnerable get infected.

213184 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Nobody2020, 3, #1446 of 1497 🔗

Not bad. I think a lot of decision making for politicians is about looking decisive, doing something, when all you’ve done is kicked the can. It’s because it’s not they who will suffer. No skin in the game.

213153 crimsonpirate, 11, #1447 of 1497 🔗

question is will Macron declare a second lockdown in the UK?

213156 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 10, #1448 of 1497 🔗

Professor Elliott on JHB show reminds me of a bad salesman who has realised you’re not buying, doesn’t like your questioning and is now just going through the motions.

213182 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Nobody2020, 3, #1449 of 1497 🔗

Yes his sales pitch seemed to have been reduced to “just because the medicine is making you ill doesn’t mean you wouldn’t still be ill if you stopped taking the medicine. “

213157 calchas, 14, #1450 of 1497 🔗

On 19th OctoberTrump adviser DrScott Atlas tweeted this:

“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.” “And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed—if all records told the same tale—then the lie passed into history and became truth.” George Orwell, 1984

https://twitter.com/SWAtlasHoover/status/1318136468544589825

What does the evidence of our eyes and ears tell us with regard to this ‘pandemic’?

213159 calchas, replying to calchas, 13, #1451 of 1497 🔗

“The Fake News is talking about CASES, CASES, CASES. This includes many low risk people. Media is doing everything possible to create fear prior to November 3rd. ”

Donal Trump on Twitter 24th October

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1320016181734993920

213204 ▶▶ RyanM, replying to calchas, 1, #1452 of 1497 🔗

He’s not wrong. It may backfire, esp if we all see Europe locking down.

213218 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to calchas, #1453 of 1497 🔗

On the bright side, the more “cases” there are, the more the mortality rate goes down.

I have no numbers to hand to prove this at the moment, but a few of the scary graphs I’ve seen suggest that we’re not exponentially dying, as ordered by some dodgy version of Sim Virus written at ICL.

213219 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #1454 of 1497 🔗

But they just ignore all this! People have been shouting “a PCR positive is not an infection is not a case” for months and government, “science” and media ignore it. The mortality rate is way lower than it was in March and they just ignore it. It all just gets turned into “people who want to let the virus rip” and shut down.

213223 ▶▶▶ BobT, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #1455 of 1497 🔗

Yes, the overall mortality rate goes down but the died of or with Covid mortality rate goes up with the number of tests. i.e. more people are holding a +ve test certificate before or when they enter hospital and it is recorded on their admission or if they do not make it through their heart attack, their death certificate.

213160 The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 25, #1456 of 1497 🔗

France and Germany are now announcing new lockdowns. One thing is now for sure. They are not going to give up this obsessive bullshit without one hell of a fight. They are clearly either utter morons, insane, or on a massive power trip.

“The British public has not even begun to understand the seriousness of what is happening to our country. Many, perhaps most of them don’t care, and won’t care until it is too late. They instinctively feel that the end justifies the means, the motto of every totalitarian government which has ever been … The government has discovered the power of public fear to let it get its way.” – Jonathan Sumption

213167 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 10, #1457 of 1497 🔗

Every government now knows they can pretty much do whatever they like and most people will just take it.

They’re shooting people in the head in some countries for not complying with the rules and nobody thinks anything of it.

213203 ▶▶▶ RyanM, replying to Nobody2020, #1458 of 1497 🔗

In what countries are they doing this?

213221 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to RyanM, #1459 of 1497 🔗

Nigeria is the one I know about. There have also been shootings of people for not wearing masks in the Philippines, although I don’t know if that was by police, paramilitary thugs or just random Philippine stuff.

213175 ▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 3, #1460 of 1497 🔗

Why would any business invest in these countries? Total waste of time and money.

213222 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 1, #1461 of 1497 🔗

Jonathan Sumption for Lord Protector

213166 Old Normal, replying to Old Normal, 14, #1462 of 1497 🔗

So many people are now too scared to live and scared of dying at the same time.

And the worst part is, they don’t even realise how ridiculous that is.

213224 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to Old Normal, #1463 of 1497 🔗

Staying alive is much more important than living…c’mon ON! Once the magic vaccine arrives we’ll all be able to go back to living 🙂

213169 Angryphon of Tunbridge Wells, 2, #1464 of 1497 🔗

213220 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to AnotherSceptic, #1466 of 1497 🔗

That’s the spirit, lad! Future generations will be awestruck by your courage and determination. Nice phone, by the way. Don’t cry if it gets stolen.

213173 Nobody2020, 13, #1467 of 1497 🔗

Speaking solely from a Scottish perspective, I can see no reason why we (Scotland) wouldn’t be like Sweden now had we done what they did.

213180 Tony Rattray, replying to Tony Rattray, 5, #1468 of 1497 🔗

BORIS NOW HAS A SECOND CHANCE!!!

Yet another awful interview on the bbc this evening (newsnight). Both interviewees supporting a second full lockdown in the uk with no alternative view and the dream of lets just wait for a vaccine.

There was a really creepy sage member (health psychologist / behavioural team) who stated that the uk had failed to “protect the nhs” during the first lockdown. What planet is he on? This is just an outright lie as per the overall hospital bed occupancy during this period, big drop in a&e and gp attendance, empty nightingale hospitals, etc. But of course the ministry of truth (sage) has spoken.

The sage members who appear on the mass media are clearly of a certain stereotype – mean and bitter older men in 50 / 60s and mostly career academics / bureaucrats.

As more and more tory mps are now stating, boris needs to start distancing himself more from sage. He has a second chance – no second full lockdown! I may even forgive him, but no.

213187 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Tony Rattray, 4, #1469 of 1497 🔗

As stated earlier, SAGE is a political and commercial lobbying group with no connection to good science or good sense.

213193 ▶▶ ziggee, replying to Tony Rattray, 2, #1470 of 1497 🔗

Appreciate you putting yourself in the front line there, and reporting back.

213200 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Tony Rattray, 6, #1471 of 1497 🔗

The NHS is there to provide medical treatment.It is not to be protected by the public.The false idol status of the NHS allowed the government to get away with the lockdown.It cannot be allowed to get away with it again.

213227 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #1472 of 1497 🔗

That’s right, the clue is in the “S” at the end. Too many people think it’s an A for Authority.

213226 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Tony Rattray, 2, #1473 of 1497 🔗

I have made the point before: medics on public health committees are either failed doctors, wannabe dictators or both. We’ve all met “committee people” in all walks of life and they’re always bloody dreadful. Sports clubs, neighbourhood committees, parish councils – the worst people join them for the worst reasons. There was once a much underrated sitcom called “Ever Decreasing Circles” in which Richard Briers played Chris Whitty, if Chris Whitty hadn’t gone into medicine.

213181 ziggee, replying to ziggee, 7, #1474 of 1497 🔗

Johnson had a chance to come close to emulating his hero Churchill, back in March; but surrendered to the baying mob.
Looks like he may soon get another Dunkirk moment.
Will he stand firm this time I wonder.

Not very confident here.

213186 ▶▶ RickH, replying to ziggee, 4, #1475 of 1497 🔗

The only character that Johnson has ever emulated is a spoiled brat.

213206 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to ziggee, 1, #1476 of 1497 🔗

If he says “this is not the end. This is not even the beginning of the end. It may be the end of the beginning,” I am going full Guy Fawkes.

213185 calchas, replying to calchas, 9, #1477 of 1497 🔗

Cristiano Ronaldo says that PCR is ‘bullshit’, after testing positive for the third time.

“In an Instagram post, the 35-year-old said he was “feeling good and healthy” but that the “PCR IS BULL****”.
It seems he’s far from happy with the efficiency of the swab tests used to test for Covid-19.”

https://www.givemesport.com/1611919-cristiano-ronaldo-says-pcr-is-bull-after-test-rules-him-out-of-juventus-vs-barcelona

213192 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to calchas, 4, #1478 of 1497 🔗

Great news…we are getting more and more of these instances where celebs are totally pissed off with the effect on their personal lives, so they can’t keep up the virtue signalling. Expect more examples! They have a strong effect on public opinion.

213190 Adbase, #1479 of 1497 🔗

Loved Dr. Horatio Beaker from Supercar. He made far more sense than Whitty

213202 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #1480 of 1497 🔗

France and Germany announce new lockdowns. Europe, including Britain, is willingly committing suicide. It’s baffling and extremely depressing

213209 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #1481 of 1497 🔗

Yes, indeed. We were already committing cultural suicide, self harming probably the greatest culture that has ever existed on the planet. But now it’s like we’ve taken a knife to our throat. My own view us that the corrosive influence of PC ideology has so weakened us that we no longer kniw no longer know how to defend ourselves when faced by something like a pandemic virus.

213205 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #1482 of 1497 🔗

I think I may be reluctantly accepting some of the arguments of those who say this is deliberate malice. I won’t go so far as to say conspiracy. But for this nonsensical “projection” that the non-existent “second wave” “will” be “deadlier” than the first (with no coherent definition of any of the air-quoted terms) to be trotted out simultaneously in Britain, Germany and France, with all debate shut down and lockdowns imposed, defies explanation otherwise. They simply cannot be this dense.

213208 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #1483 of 1497 🔗

I know what you mean. But, if so, what type of conspiracy would it be…how many people involved in how many different command organisations? Are you a strong or weak conspiracist? Strong conspiracists state the virus was manufactured to achieve a particular political outcome – generally referred to as human enslavement, but without much further exegesis.

Personally I prefer to think this was a kind of “black swan” event that a variety of loosely aligned opportunists – from the Chinese Communist Party to XR – try to use to their own benefit.

213217 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to OKUK, 1, #1484 of 1497 🔗

Yes, I agree, the latter.

213210 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #1485 of 1497 🔗

Mike Yeadon describes it as a confluence of opportunism or some such, sounds about right.

213367 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Hieronimusb, 1, #1486 of 1497 🔗

Yes – Yeadon called it ‘convergent opportunism’ and Delingpole called it ‘a concatenation of shared interests’
(I made notes!)

213207 BobT, replying to BobT, 3, #1487 of 1497 🔗

THIS LETTER DIRECTLY CAUSED THE DEATHS OF ABOUT 50,000 PEOPLE IN THE UK

https://www.england.nhs.uk/coronavirus/wp-content/uploads/sites/52/2020/03/urgent-next-steps-on-nhs-response-to-covid-19-letter-simon-stevens.pdf

In the opening para it states ‘The operational aim is to expand critical care capacity to the maximum; free up 30,000 (or more) of the English NHS’s 100,000 general and acute beds’

According to their own figures, the NHS excelled themselves and kicked out 60,000 patients within a few days reducing their occupancy to 50%. It took until August to increase occupancy to the normal levels of 110,000. This resulted in a reduction of hospital healthcare in the period amounting to nearly 2 million bed-days.

There were 28,186 more deaths in care homes during this period than the normal in previous years. (Amnesty International)

There were 10,000 more deaths in private homes than normal (ONS).

There are / will be an estimated 60,000 years of life lost due to lack of screening / diagnosis for Cancer. (The Lancet)

There were twice the normal number of heart attack deaths at home than usual (The Lancet)

(Note that I have purposefully not mentioned any statistics which are tainted by Covid PCR test numbers).

These numbers account for most, if not all, of the excess deaths above what would be normally expected to be seen during this period.

Clearly it was not Covid that killed these people it was the removal of normal healthcare services (a human right).

Shockingly, it is rumoured that they are planning to empty the hospitals again!
Will the signatories of that letter or those who instructed it ever be held accountable?

213211 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to BobT, 1, #1488 of 1497 🔗

Nice post. It’s always shocking to hear it spelt out. Most people know things like this are happening, but when it is written in black and white, the sheer lunacy of it all is enough to give one a heart attack (another covid death)

213212 AnotherSceptic, 3, #1489 of 1497 🔗

There is an absolute abundance of Coronavirus puns on social media, it is an absolute pundemic.

213213 NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #1490 of 1497 🔗

I cannot face trawling through the news sites’ propaganda – does anyone know if there is any meaningful opposition (yet?) to the lockdown in France? I know the Germans will obediently go into their holes and only come out again when Mutti tells them they can, but what about the gilets jaunes? Was that only ever a weekend outing for superficially angry dads? I wish the French would get going like the Italians. Or even like the French used to.

213214 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #1491 of 1497 🔗

I don’t know if it’s just me, but the ordering of comments has gone wrong here today. Whether I select oldest, newest or most voted, makes no difference.

213215 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #1492 of 1497 🔗

^ that one has been “pinned” somehow

213216 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to captainbeefheart, #1493 of 1497 🔗

Aha, I see. Thanks!

213229 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #1494 of 1497 🔗

Not just you. I said the same.

214020 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #1495 of 1497 🔗

In Wagner’s Siegfried, there is a very amusing scene in which Siegfried, having killed the dragon and drunk its blood, not only finds that he can understand the language of the birds, but also realizes that he can hear the hidden truth of what people are saying to him. So when he meets Mime, the irritating dwarf who’s been grooming him to do his dirty work for him, Mime thinks he’s being incredibly clever and hoodwinking Siegfried, but Siegfried is secretly hearing the truth of what Mime means. It’s a difficult scene to stage well, and requires great acting from both men. Here’s a snippet of the libretto that Mime sings (while believing himself to be singing something else) and that Siegfried hears:
MIME Take this and drink to refresh yourself.
SIEGFRIED I’d love a nice drink. How did you make this?
MIME Oh, just drink it, trust my skills!
Your senses will soon sink into night and fog;
Unwaking, unknowing, you’ll just lie there stretched out.
And when you’re lying there,
It’ll be easy for me to steal the goodies:
But if you ever woke up, I’d never be safe from you,
Even if I had the ring!
So I’ll take the sword,
That you forged, so sharp,
And take the precaution of chopping your head off:
Which will secure me a peaceful life, and the ring!
SIEGFRIED You want to murder me in my sleep?
MIME (in a rage) WHAT DID YOU SAY? DID I SAY THAT? (Sweetening his voice as much as he can) All I want to do is take your little head (with careful precision) and hack it off!

So, inspired by this scene, I have decided to write a short announcement which Boris Johnson will be making on national TV in the next couple of days. He’ll think he’s saying something else, but we’ll hear him. (Siegfried takes his sword and stabs Mime to death, by the way.)

(See next post… this was too long!)

214021 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #1496 of 1497 🔗

Friends, I know you’ll be expecting some bonhomie from me, and some jollification, perhaps even a glimmering luminescence at the end of the tunnel, so I’m going to pretend to do all that. Here I am, good old Boris (my friends call me Al, you know, Boris is my political identity, it’s a total fake, beginning to end), up here fighting for you against the forces of EU darkness and Making Britain Great Again, all that stuff. About none of which, incidentally, I could care a rat’s posterior. My true intent is all for your vote. Unless you’re female and presentable, in which case, to quote that old lag Auberon Waugh, I might try to persuade you that there’s a bit of pleasure and profit to be had from a spot of squelching. Not that I like women, but I crave the validation.
Anyway, I’m here tonight to announce how things are going to go from now on. I’m not going to fiddle about with euphemisms or elaborate metaphors. No circuit breakers, none of that. The thing is, this virus is revealing profound truths about us all and the way we live. It’s like an MRI scan (sorry, by the way, to those of you waiting for those), revealing the hidden pathologies of our economic system. Oh, look at that, an elaborate metaphor. Well, I always was a bullshitter of the first water. Anyway, this MRI scan, what it shows is this: our entire society is built on debt. We need to constantly extend more and more credit, all the time, not in order to do new things, but in order for the existing things not to fall apart. And it’s not sustainable, friends, it really isn’t. So this whole virus thing is a pretext for resetting the whole system. I don’t understand the ins and outs of it because the only ins and outs I care about are the kind that requires a Beethoven soundtrack, if you get my drift. But the point is: this is what people are telling me I have to do. And because all I want is to stay Prime Minister and get my bloated, whale-like statue on the fourth plinth, I’m going with it, and sod the lot of you.
So we’re going to lock down. Not just for a couple of weeks, or a month, but permanently. That’s it, folks. Everything you thought was important, you’re about to discover, isn’t. Your jobs are going to disappear anyway and be taken by, I don’t know, Chinese robots, or Chinese people – honestly, it’s quite difficult to tell the difference. Sport, theatre, socialising, Masterchef, it’s all ancient history – and take it from me, ancient history is a lovely, lovely thing to lose yourself in and forget all your worries. So buy your DVDs of your favourite football matches, your favourite Shakespeare plays, opera performances, HAVE them all there in your bookcase, on demand, so you can live out your meaningless, empty days in a dream of the past and the future that might have been. Because this is real. Here’s the lowdown on covid. It’s quite nasty for a very small number of people, and what we’re doing is amplifying that message for all we’re worth. For most people, covid isn’t even a thing, but again, what we’re doing is gaslighting you all to make you suspect, somewhere deep in your bones, that you’re wrong, and actually this is the Plague of Justinian. Plague of Justinian, by the way, put an end to the dreams

214306 chaos, #1497 of 1497 🔗

I can’t stand Rod Liddle. 10 good points and 90 bad ones. Overated. Unfunny most of the time. Writes for The Sun mostly because well.. The Sun man is essentially what he is… twiddle twaddle wiffle waffle government has made a mistake about covid waffle poffle..

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