2020-10-29

Good morning world!

Dear Toby

Suicides on the Rise due to Lockdown

The launch of Recovery For Hope For Balance – Emma Kenny ITV This Morning Psychologist & Presenter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFezwz9oz6I

It’s heartbreaking isn’t it?

Dr Mike Yeadon Former CSO & VP Allergy Respiratory Research Pfizer Global R&D 29th Oct 2020
explain there are not excess deaths – the pandemic is over

must watch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y51GICqL9E

https://twitter.com/7tine76/status/1321290116317458436

‘We no longer have the flu’

But the trouble is, the “died with coronavirus” in the Mail article is horse crap. In fact, so is the assertion that Covid-19 is not a young person’s disease. Young people can get respiratory illnessess, Covid-19 amongst them – but Covid-19, or SARS as I might as well call it, is very rare, and I doubt even less than twenty have died from it in the “second wave” (look at how we affirm that piece of nonsense); what young people don’t usually suffer from is the general death of old people, now labelled “Covid-19” via an utterly discredited test.

“Covid-19” is a hoax. Unless lots of people are brought to understand it as such, it will never end.

Covid-19 in a nutshell

Good morning everyone
Now I can read the post1

Good morning to you!

Good morning, All.

Morning all!!!!

Covid-19: Nearly 100,000 catching virus every day
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54723962

More Imperial bollocks from their favourite BBC shill, James Gallagher.

Current 7 day death rate (by date of death) is around 160-170.

I would have thought that, with 100,000 a day catching it, the streets would be strewn with bodies.

All those who heard JHB on TalkRadio talking to Paul Elliott will know this is just more Bill Gates funded bullshit by Imperial.

Or, to put it another way, if 100,000 are catching it every day, almost everyone is asymptomatic and the mortality rate is practically zero. And it’s a non-event.

Top of the class, Mr Nomad!

There’s a lag between infections and deaths, which is important when numbers are rising (or falling, come to that). We’re currently seeing about 300 deaths a day (PHE figure) and infections three weeks ago were about 17,000 per day (ONS data). On that basis we’re seeing IFR of 2%. I realise that these are the PHE numbers, of course. The ONS figures take longer, so looking back two week we had roughly 100 deaths a day and the infection rate three weeks prior to that was about 6,000 per day. That’s an IFR of about 1.6%.

On that basis, 100,000 infections a day today suggests a death rate in the range 1,500 to 2,000 in three weeks time. Not so reassuring.

Try looking at Sweden.

I’m talking about the UK/England figures. I don’t have easy access to the corresponding figures for Sweden but if you do, please present them.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

Precisely.

Trouble is the 17k/day is the positive tests in the general population (at peak return to colleges point) and the counted deaths are in a narrower population at risk from a seasonal respiratory disease largely in care or hospital settings (with questions about counting criteria). It is wrong to merge these data and link these populations sequentially. There is no case for saying the IFR has increased.

I’m aware of the difference between the PHE and the ONS figures, which is exactly why I went to the trouble of giving both sets. You’ll also notice that I didn’t the IFR has increased, I simply presented two alternative calculations on the basis of the figures immediately available to me. If I had intended to say it had increased I would have done so explicitly and given some indication of statistical significance and confidence intervals.

You put too much faith in stats RP, consider that the stats themselves are flawed owing to the dodgy way in which “cases” are recorded.

It’s more about knowing some of the people at ONS and having some confidence that they are honestly doing their best.

Deliberately mixing the numbers, aren’t you Richard Pinch? I went to the Imperial College site and checked the latest and the previous reports.

Per swab tests taken between 18th September and 5th October: estimated 60 people per 10,000 of England’s population has the virus, i.e. infecting around 45,000 people each day.
Per swab tests taken between 16th and 25th October: estimated 128 people per 10,000 has the virus, i.e. infecting around 96,000 people each day.

Comparing like for like, this is an increase of 2.13 times for the infection. Maybe the daily deaths would also increase proportionally, but doesn’t support your numbers.

I gave PHE and ONS sets of numbers, and, I think, carefully distinguished them. Perhaps you found that confusing.

Whatever the Government or the press say is complete Horseshit, time and time the Press have spectacularly failed to hold Government and the useless opposition accountable

Deaths of who? Over 85s? With underlying symptoms? Or young previously healthy under 60s? The lies told about the death rates and infection rates are infinite.

All I can do at this point is to point you to the ONS page

Do you think that’s even remotely likely though?

I’m not sure what “that” is in this question?

This: On that basis, 100,000 infections a day today suggests a death rate in the range 1,500 to 2,000 in three weeks time. Not so reassuring.

is that likely?

We shall see.

Let me fix a couple of things for you.

“We’re currently seeing about 300 deaths a day…”

of people who died within 28 days of a positive test, not necessarily of Covid.

“ infections ”

positive tests!

This is why I was careful to distinguish between the PHE figures, which are for deaths in hospital with a postivie test in the previous 28 days, as you say, and ONS figures which are for deaths with Covid as a cause on the death certificate. The ONS infection figures are based on follow-up studies of positive tests, not just the tests themselves.

Dear Richard,
please don’t take these replies too personal people are just sick of the media putting out predictions as if this is what’s going to happen if the government don’t lockdown. It Is the media that panicked the government into lockdown in March. What you must remember excess deaths as published by the ONS haven’t increased and are normal for this time of year. The 300 plus deaths from so called covid-19 are respiratory deaths,again normal for this time of year. Where there’s been an increase in deaths which isn’t been reported is in the 40-60 age group from strokes and heart attacks. These deaths are a direct result of lockdown obviously not as interesting to the media as covid-19 but they someone’s other half. Lastly the test for covid-19 is at least 50% inaccurate and most of the infections are in those under 30 so the death rate will be 1 in 500 of those infected.

The IFR denominator is ALL infections not just those detected by e.g. ONS

One million every ten days…

Which means community immunity* is around the corner.

*: Hat tip Dr Yeadon. Let’s use positive framing to counter the coronanists negative framing of everything.

And the IFR continues to drop

Thanks, that’s answered the question I just asked.

Who’s going to tell Hancock, Vallance, Whitty and the PM? Or is that the kind of evidence they choose to ignore because they’d lose their control over the minutest details of our daily lives? Have any of those idiots ever run so much as a whelk stall?

Where is the government getting these figures from? Testing centres around where I live are empty as are a number around the country that have featured on YouTube. I find it hard to believe that this figure is accurate.

Diane Abbot is advising the Government of chaos and arrogance Neil ferguson needs prosecuting for his appalling miscalculations

Can someone do the maths and tell me when we’ll all have it?

If we started from scratch today, at a constant rate, within less than two years

But loads of us had pre-existing cross immunity and tens of millions would have been infected in the Spring. If it’s 100k per day, that would continue to rise…so maybe we would get to 300k per day – 9 million per month. Herd immunity reached in a couple of months.

Doubling every nine days is 8% increase a day. For an geometric progression with factor 1.08 to reach a total 50million from 100,000 takes about 49 steps. So: seven weeks (home by Christmas!). NB: this is not a prediction, just the answer to an arithmetical question.

Or 39 steps to Armageddon?
Come back, Richard Hannah, all is forgiven.

Talk Radio’s Julia (not even an O level in biology) Hartley-Brewer makes mincemeat of the dissembling Prof Paul Elliot, who hails from the Bill Gates funded Imperial College. If it comes out of Imperial it’s a lot more than dodgy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYqpiH1Q8bQ

Anything on the subject from them should be taken with a pinch of salt.

Shame they are wrecking historically a good institution so shame on them for taking Gates money.

Imperial College is the commercial arm of the Gates Foundation.

Assume 30-100k/day catch it, about 1-3% seek hospital attention and about 1/6 of those will die. That would give about 300-1000 admissions per day a week later, and about 50-167 deaths per day a week after that. How to the stats look at the moment? It’s not an unreasonable number. That gives an IFR of about 0.17% to 0.55%. Influenza is 0.14% for reference.

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Telegraph (paywall): Britain’s death toll ‘could hit 85,000 in second Covid wave’

Leaked Sage documents suggest ‘reasonable worst case scenario’ could see number of fatalities stay high for at least three months.

The modelling, drawn up in late July …

At which point I realised it is just more scaremongering bollocks to force Boris into another huge national lockdown like he did when he said to act on Ferguson’s ‘reasonable worst case scenario’.

Let’s face it, Britain’s death toll could hit 23,000,000 in the tsutsugumushi fever outbreak of December 2020. We have some modelling to prove this. Don’t we, Morph?

66 million Britons will die. Sometime. Guaranteed.

It’s just that they don’t know it yet.

Apart from us sceptics.

Take one pace forward all those who are dead and and haven’t fallen over yet.
Anyone found to be dead and still standing will be fined £10,000!

Exactly. When and how we don’t know but death is a guarantee.

Definitely by 2130.

Probably of high blood pressure caused by frustration at yet more lying “statistics” from SAGE. By the way, if Ferguson isn’t a member, how come he’s all over the media like a rash?

Remember the odious Hamiltons? Their disgrace facilitated their ubiquitousness – and, I suspect, earned them a lot more dosh than those brown envelopes.

I hope that will be over the next 75 years or so, not the next decade as seems to be envisioned in Agenda 21.

And when he finally does it, people will say that he did it “too late” again.

Leaked Sage documents inevitably suggest a load of bollox.

From Canada, more evidence of the collateral damage from the lockdown…

https://www.cbc.ca/news/public-health-annual-report-opioid-deaths-skyrocket-1.5780129

Thanks for the link, John.

Canadians used to be among the happiest people in the world. That’s changing.

That’s a really terrible headline to have to read.

It the justin the dope still in charge Canadians are more intelligent than Americans

Growing ip all I knew about Canada was a TV series called the Forest Rangers, they would not have put up with this.

I remember The Forest Rangers, and you’re right. They wouldn’t.

“Confirming what has been well-documented already, PHAC found that long-term care (LTC) homes have been the epicentre of COVID-19-related deaths because “pandemic preparedness did not extend into these settings.” The report said LTC facilities’ limited supplies of personal protective equipment, old infrastructure, poor ventilation and chronic understaffing led to more infections.

People of colour in Canada also have been far more likely to contract the virus, PHAC found. The report says Arab, Black, Middle Eastern, Latin American, South Asian and Southeast Asian Canadians accounted for more than 80 per cent of the cases in Toronto, despite collectively making up slightly more than half of the city’s population.”

I’m guessing people of colour are more likely to catch the virus because they are more likely to live in overcrowded housing and/or flats, to depend on public transport, or to have public-facing jobs which cannot be done remotely?

My mother lives in Canada and is coming to the same realisation. She lost her partner to cancer, left undiagnosed and untreated by the British Columbia health system for two months until his death in May. Why? Cos Covid’s the only show in town. He’s one of many the world over. She also points out the opioid crisis in Canada as well as the death toll amongst homeless and very often mentally ill people on the streets of Vancouver. All of which outstrip Covid deaths by some margin.

We are running with the same playbook here. The care homes had most of the deaths back in spring, mirroring the UK and US medical ‘incompetence’, even though we had ample time to learn from Europe’s suffering.

Now we’re in a Second Wave of course and the amount of people driving alone with masks on has skyrocketed. We’re just as gullible as you folks and we have the same kind of media fear machine doing its thing 24/7

The West is going down. Every country on the list has the same approach and running the same scam. Now our hero in Sweden has pushed herd immunity off the cliff so it feels like we’re in injury time…not long before the final whistle now.

Last one before I get some sleep; then I’ll let you guys talk among yourselves for a bit.

Re. Toby’s main piece above: image (of a small pivot table I’ve made) below gives a nice monthly summary of the total deaths recorded in English hospitals since March.

The month by month increases, and that in the Total Column, do look bad, but, as we all know, that’s just the normal increase in deaths from respiratory diseases expected at this time of year.

Another thing to note: not all these deaths are from Covid-19, merely people who have died after testing positive. From the document:

This file contains information on the deaths of patients who have died in hospitals in England and have tested positive for COVID-19.

Source: https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/10/COVID-19-total-announced-deaths-28-October-2020.xlsx

Thanks, not doubting your accuracy but the last total I saw in MSM was 43,000 (down from the 55,000 previously concocted), does Wales account for the difference?

“total deaths recorded in English hospitals”, K

Walesonline is claiming that the death toll in Wales is the highest for six months. That publication has been the biggest driver of panic -a side from the BBC – west of Offa’s Dyke.

True, but comments are now regularly sceptical.
Of course, Wales Online never tells us the ages and co-morbidities of the Covvidead. Or reminds us that Welsh hospitals clock you as Covvie on mere suspicion
Rural Wales js almost completely unaffected. They managed to scrape up four new positives in Pembrokeshire yesterday. I tremble. Not.

…the highest for six months.

Common tactic of the MSM, especially the BBC. I’ve commented on this many times.

Weekly deaths start to go down… start comparing fornightly.
Fornightly deaths start to go down… start comparing monthly.
Monthly deaths start to go down… start comparing bi-monthly.

Etc , etc , etc …

I brought this forward from the end of yesterday’s comments because I would like to hear more peoples reactions……

THIS LETTER DIRECTLY CAUSED THE DEATHS OF ABOUT 50,000 PEOPLE IN ENGLAND

https://www.england.nhs.uk/coronavirus/wp-content/uploads/sites/52/2020/03/urgent-next-steps-on-nhs-response-to-covid-19-letter-simon-stevens.pdf

In the opening para it states ‘The operational aim is to expand critical care capacity to the maximum; free up 30,000 (or more) of the English NHS’s 100,000 general and acute beds’

According to their own figures, the NHS excelled themselves and kicked out 60,000 patients within a few days reducing their occupancy to 50%. It took until August to increase occupancy to the normal levels of 110,000. This resulted in a reduction of hospital healthcare in the period amounting to nearly 2 million bed-days.

There were 28,186 more deaths in care homes during this period than the normal in previous years. (Amnesty International)

There were 10,000 more deaths in private homes than normal (ONS).

There are / will be an estimated 60,000 years of life lost due to lack of screening / diagnosis for Cancer. (The Lancet)

There were twice the normal number of heart attack deaths at home than usual (The Lancet)

(Note that I have purposefully not mentioned any statistics which are tainted by Covid PCR test numbers).

These numbers account for most if not all the excess deaths above what would be normally expected to be seen during this period.

Clearly it was not Covid that killed these people it was the removal of normal healthcare services (a human right).

Shockingly, it is rumoured that they are planning to empty the hospitals again!

Will the signatories of that letter or those who instructed it ever be held accountable?

Bob, the letter is dated 17th March.

You posted your brilliant ‘bed-emptying’ graph on the 14th of October here: https://lockdownsceptics.org/2020/10/14/latest-news-162/#comment-187165

Toby posted it front page on the 15th.

Can you put your graph back up? (I would, but it’s your work) I’m pretty sure people will be interested to see that the bed emptying started LONG BEFORE the date of the letter from Stevens.

Great find and added to your graph, is more strong evidence of the manslaughter dished out by our government.

The media hysteria in March is easy to prove, but are there reliable figures for the drastic drop in care staff around the time?

As a selfish request, can you do a similar analysis for Northern Ireland hospitals? I have written to Toby already about the situation here. One hospital is so under resourced it has had to build a temporary tent on the lawn outside A and E. This has led to mass hysteria among those who take that as the plague has finally arrived.

What we suffer from here is a total lack of any real astute analysts or journalists to cut through the bull shit. And with 40%+ of jobs here tied to the public sector, the compliance with lockdown is pathetic.

It’s a wasteland where no critical thought will be found.

They are going to launder the deaths caused by lockdown as covid deaths. The PCR test is the “detergent”.

‘detergent’ – I like that! MW

After yesterday’s misery and this morning’s doom and gloom coming from France and Germany, today’s page is a relatively encouraging read. (Although the brilliant letter to Kwasi Kwarteng is heartbreaking and enraging in equal measure.) “Recovery” is an excellent initiative. We must keep it together.

Where do I join?

https://timeforrecovery.org/

Today’s read is excellent (well, it’s excellent every day) with much more in they way of hopeful articles. I too, am interested in joining Recovery. I’ll have a dig around for a website/more info.

If Simon Dolan wins the case what are the spanners going to do?

The virus is deadly because the dictator told me so

The virus is not deadly because a judge told me so

I can see some brains exploding

He’s not going to win, though, is he? Because the judiciary has been nobbled

Plus, following France & Germany’s lockdown latest, could the timing be any worse. The Government knew exactly what they were doing when they sought this delay.

They may have been nobbled, but equally they may fear the consequences, personally and for the stability of government, of finding against the government. They would be accused of having blood on their hands. They are human and therefore weak and flawed. Of course they ought to fear the consequences of finding FOR the government more, but the trouble is at the moment I think they think they are going to get away with it.

It’s a pretty foregone conclusion. They have to pretend that they’ve really listened though.

Good. Maybe if Vallance, Whitless, Hancock Johnson’ and Ferguson’s brains exploded we could get some practical scientists and politicians to start putting the country back to some kind of sense.

Good morning

Is the pig dictator still wallowing in his own shit?

If he hasn’t got enough he can have some if mine.

i was about to have breakfast, think I’ll just have a coffee

Oops, sorry!

on his back, trotters akimbo

Royal British Legion

‘Owing to the Covid19 pandemic and in light of the risks posed the annual Remembrance Sunday March Past the Cenotaph will not take place this year.

We recognize that this will be deeply disappointing for those due to take part . . .’

Contact us 0808 802 8080

Oh yes it will

Is this their decision, or an order from on-high?

Either way, it’s shameful. Their colleagues did not die for this.

I think we’ll see a lot of veterans march anyway.

Woe betide any copper who tries to stop them.

I don’t know. It is currently the front page of their website.

Could become a very interesting flashpoint

How many Parish War Memorials are there ?

Perhaps they should have another look at the first Remembrance Sunday in 1919-no social distancing and no masks.

Just do it anyway. All of us who want to go to our local monument can do so.

It’s official!

94% of people who die are old people

I’m gobsmacked. I always thought it was the young who died and the old lived for ever

What next? 100% of people who die are people?

No. About 95% are zombies who don’t really die, but enter a permanent state of living death. They’re all around you right now. Be afraid.

Absolutely – also, the deceased are 90% more likely than the living to (re-)contract Covid, which makes them rise up from their tombs and wander the streets masked in a brain-dead state. Three quarters of our dead are at risk of rising again as Covid zombies if cemeteries aren’t placed under strict curfew NOW…

From the Spiked article:

One psychiatrist no doubt spoke for many lockdown enthusiasts when she suggested that ‘impotent personalities’ and ‘magical thinking’ are some of the reasons people don’t wear face masks.

So we are guilty of magical thinking? Not the morons who think that wearing a filthy rag over their faces while driving their own car will protect them from a virus?
This ‘psychiatrist’ obviously practises voodoo. Go to her and she’ll cure you of scepticism by anointing you with the blood of a white cockerel.

What mask-wearers are doing is LITERALLY apotropaic magic.

Actually it just struck me that uneducated Brazilians may indeed have been using what they considered to be an alternative bit of black magic to ward off the lurgy.
So there’s magic, and then there’s magic that is led by the Science.
And, of course, sceptics the world over all behave like uneducated Brazilians. Stands to reason.

Ooh, a new word ! Thanks NN.

And, like all such stuff, it works in direct correspondence to the will, ability, intent, and desire of the practitioner.

Yes – had to look it up!

Mine didn’t work against dePiffle and Poppycock!

I’ve decided to wrap pigeon entrails around my left arm to protect me – and, more importantly, others – from this deadly virus.

Remember to face the sun when you put them on. Need to pay homage for it to work

Do pig entrails work?

Try Boris’s.
Drake entrails are a cert.

I wouldn’t even want Ferguson’s entrails for garters. They’d probably be as lousy as his “science”

OK, yes, pigeon entrails around the left arm for you, but to protect others you need the bile ducts of a Syrian hamster behind your right ear.

Probably not even a real psychiatrist. Or received their degree from some Mickey Mouse university.

I’m planning a trio of masked dolls – BoJo the Clown, Matt Handoncock and MacFishface – to burn on the fire on bonfire night. Neighbours are invited. Does that count as magical thinking?

Only if you’re trying to cause harm. Are you any good at it ?

Could always stick pins in them. Obviously, Hancock gets it in the cock.

Wankock deserves several – in various parts of his anatomy.

The Fascist Junta have responded to the Gym. petition. Now hear this:

Sports and physical activity are incredibly important for our physical and mental health, and are a vital weapon against coronavirus. That’s why we made sure that people could exercise at least once a day even during the height of lockdown – and why we opened up grassroots sport and leisure facilities as soon as it was safe to do so.

“ Sports and physical activity are incredibly important for”

There’s one of those fatuous adverbs
BANG!!! GOT IT.

Just to add:
So we’ve all been enjoying our favourite sports, have we? And your children have been getting all that vital physical activity?

And do you remember that poisonous little worm Wancock, a few days into the first incarceration, threatening to lock us up 24/7 if wicked people didn’t stop going outside for longer than half an hour a day?

Quarantine convicts, of course, are deprived of healthy physical activity as a punishment for having been near somebody with a positive test result. And serve them jolly well right.

Oh, and get this, from the Sports Minister. Who no doubt heroically backed the successful campaign ( not):

I welcome the news that gyms and leisure centres that were previously closed in Liverpool due to its very high alert level are now allowed to re-open from Friday 23 October.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/333869?reveal_response=yes

Yup, you killed it. It has sadlidied.

Not happilidied?

Honestly, this drivel is on the same level as L’Oréal adverts. “Clear, healthy skin is incredibly important to our physical and mental health, and a vital weapon against coronavirus, for some reason, probably. That’s why we at L’Oréal decided that the best way for us to make a massive profit was by persuading saps like you that buying our products makes a blind bit of difference to the way your skin ages. Our wholesome, animal-tested, entirely useless products are there for you to use at least once a day, even during the height of lockdown. Here’s a model preselected for her perfect skin, rubbing some of the stuff in while smiling: PROVING that lockdowns work and the new normal is going to be huge fun for all of us in the shiny shiny sunrise of [cont’d p. 94]”

76% of 49 women agreed.

Are you telling me it won’t stop my skin from ageing, or make happy and keep me safe?! Bum! That’s more money down the drain…..

Appreciate the Private Eye reference there…

Total bollocks. They couldn’t give a Castlemain xxxx. That’s why the Stasi were out in the Peak District during April

Ever wonder what Dido is spending that 12 billion quid on?

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=uk.nhs.covid19.production&hl=en&showAllReviews=true

DHSC has got one, or more, employees working full-time on answering reviews on the Google Play reviews page for the Serco NHS T&T app. Apples ITunes page for the app has the same.

Hilarious reviews. As for Dido, I have only one thing to say to her.

Carthago delenda est.

Level it to the ground, plough it in, salt the ruins.

Can we bury the Fantastic Four (Johnson, Hancock, Whitty and Vallance) under them?

nice

It is interesting that very many of the five star reviews are very short and bland, of the; ‘Works fine’ variety. Should I be suspicious?

Very good, BJ will enjoy that one.

May my wrongs create
No trouble, no trouble in thy breast;
Remember me, remember me, but ah! forget my fate.
Remember me, but ah! forget my fate.

The horrible irony of not hearing that from the Cenotaph this year will no doubt be lost on BJ.

Off topic, but I will never forget hearing the late, great Jessye Norman sing that at Birmingham Symphony Hall (after she’d made them turn off the air conditioning because the hum was disturbing the music). Great singer, but I have to say not really my taste for Purcell. And her vowels were a bit odd. She sang the words as you’ve quoted them, but what came out was “Remember me, but ah! forget my feet.” And unfortunately Dido sings that again. And again. And again.

Whenever I hear it, particularly sung by Kathleen Ferrier (that dates me!) it always gives me a shiver.

Mirror Online: Trump controversially urges Americans to shun lockdown restrictions and mocks face masks.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/trump-controversially-urges-americans-shun-22922973

“Trump controversially urges”
BANG!!!! Got another one. (My ongoing murderous campaign against adverbs telling people what to think)

Legal blog about the Dolan case. Gives good background and surroundings.

https://ukconstitutionallaw.org/2020/10/28/robert-craig-coronavirus-regulations-case-reaches-the-court-of-appeal-hearing-dates-29-30-october-2020/

Dobinson, Co-Founder of Recovery, commented: “now see it as the most important campaign I’ve run in my life. My mum survived COVID-19, so did my colleagues at work”

Mr Dobinson here is your homework for today

From PHE

Understanding cycle threshold (Ct) in SARS-CoV-2 RT-PCR: a guide for health protection teams
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/926410/Understanding_Cycle_Threshold__Ct__in_SARS-CoV-2_RT-PCR_.pdf

PCR GATE

Documentary evidence of criminal fraud. Essential reading for leaders of the resistance.

https://twitter.com/Bobby_Network/status/1321188173913927680

This thread is going to examine & dissect the very specific behavioral-patterns, underlying market-architecture, fraudulent scientific methods, orthodox rituals of the vast pharma-wasp nest set around the queen wasp Christian Drosten/
Bobby Rajesh Malhotra@Bobby_Network

Helen, better unrolled

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1321188173913927680.html

It seems like a wonder that any kind of amplification occures with Drosten’s qPCR-protocol, submitted to WHO (13th Jan) and officially released there as recommendation on 21st January 2020:
You could do 45 cycles, but then you also have to define a reasonable CT-value, an analytical result at up to 45 cycles is a no-go and scientifically meaningless.
44/124 You could also do 100 cycles, does not matter, a reasonable CT-value would always define the scientific significance of the amplification-results beforehand. In all the #Drosten – #paper -submissions and official releases no reasonable CT-value is anywhere to be found.
Besides ZERO scientific evidence / no valid #GoldStandard , CONFLICTS OF INTERST everywhere, lets peek into CT-standardisation:Quote: Kary Mullis: Ct >30 is wrong.>33 definitely is.

Helen, unrolled :
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1321188173913927680.html

Thanks .. I am slowly learning to be a twit

We have all been confined to zero covid purgatory.

We are all trapped in one of two types of zero covid purgatory: there is e n route to zero covid purgatory (e.g Britain, the EU) and arrived in zero covid purgatory (e.g. China, Australia, Malaysia).

En route to zero covid purgatory means constantly chasing an R-rate below 1. Local lockdowns, arbitrary business closures, masks, quarantines, testing, social distancing, more testing and the slow but relentless crushing of the pleasures of life. You no longer choose if you can work, who you can visit, what you can buy, where you can go. These decisions are now dictated by the state.

If you are “fortunate” and arrive in zero covid purgatory, like in China, Malaysia or Australia, you are then forced to report your every movement to the authorities by scanning in and out of every public place with your phone. You live in fear of a single positive test that might result in your entire community being locked away and isolated. If you’re in New Zealand you might be taken away to a confinement centre simply for testing positive. You might not be sick or infectious.

When you arrive in zero covid purgatory, you can only travel abroad in very special cases and by permission of the authorities. Like in the most repressive communist regimes that have existed. Masks don’t disappear when you arrive in zero covid purgatory, you still wear them in many places.

In zero covid purgatory, Sweden ceases to exist.

Zero covid purgatory is actually just a waystation on the way to zero covid hell. We don’t quite know what zero covid hell will look like, but it definitely involves taking an unproven vaccine. Whether you want to or not. It will almost certainly also involve permanent health surveillance by state of every individual in the form of an immunity passport. And let’s not kid ourselves; zero covid hell will still have masks. On planes, public transportation etc.

Thanks to a virus with a mortality rate of about 0.2% we are all trapped in a zero covid purgatory on the way to zero covid hell where we will remain until we die.

Indeed zero-covid is the road to hell, if you do ever get there and have any sort of society left you are then in a constant state of angst and anxiety and restrictions lest it re-appears.

There is only one road to freedom and that is to live with this virus. Fortunately it is not that difficult to do, protection of the elderly and vulnerable by voluntary and community action is quite possible with Government support and guidance.
The NHS are now much better at treating Covid and we should be re-directing this silly vaccine money at developing better treatments for the few people who do get serious Covid.

So far we have no politicians with the imagination, vision and courage to push this approach.

You’ve hit the nail right on the head. I’m over 70, in good health, not overweight , exercise regularly, eat fairly healthily, and am sick and tired of being told to isolate, protect myself, think that I’m vulnerable etc. My granddaughters need a life and I’m sure as hell not going to be used by this shower of xxxx as a reason to lock them down. What part of the word live do those idiots like Hancock not understand?.

I thought China was more or less back to normal, covid-wise – of course their normal is pretty awful…

This is fast becoming like Dante’s circles of hell.

You get a false positvei test. You get locked in an isolation centre where you catch covid. Hmmm . . .

While chillaxing in my glorious Austrian lair, nestled in the Bohemian Forest, I often like to slip into my Blake 7 gown, pour myself a long, cold Peach Schnapps, before making a Zoom call to the UN to demand one hundred million dollars.

Ha, the man is a joke, we should be pointing and laughing at how absurd he is not bowing to him

“Ah, Mr Bond! We’ve been expecting you.”

When is the mystery machine going to bust in with scooby, shaggy, fred, Daphne and Velma, Fred will rip off his rubber mask….

Jimminies, it was the creepy janitor all along

If it wasn’t for you pesky kids I would of gotten away with it.

Rooby Doo…….

But whose face will be revealed when he takes off the mask?
My money’s on Piers Morgan.

Jeremy Beadle

Neil Ferguson

Yeah – where’s the cat?

Nearly 100,000 people catching Covid everyday!!
Anybody would think that the “authorities” are afraid of herd immunity.

Everyday about 1000 covid hospital admissions, that, by my definition of immunity, leaves 99,000 people everyday proving to be immune to serious Covid and not being admitted to hospital despite ‘supposedly’ having the virus.
Which rather begs the question why is this virus causing so much hoo-haa.

Mass hysteria driven by more and more desperate clueless governments from all over the world.

I don’t believe they are clueless, there is an Agenda.

How do I join Recovery? Is there a website?

Perhaps more will be known later today after the official launch. But I’m already slightly concerned that they’ve missed a trick by not having (or publicising) a website in advance. And although Recovery is a good vibe for the name, it’s not great for search engines.

Agree

I couldn’t find a website either

They sound moderate – probably the right approach but hopefully not too moderate

It has to be positive for us, hope they are ambitious and well funded

It won’t matter what they name the party, Google will ensure that it ends up in the memory hole.

Here it is https://timeforrecovery.org

Put it up as a new post please, not everyone has the time to backtrack.

What they say: Here is the GGC* News. The percentage of elderly victims of the coronavirus continues to skyrocket as leading scientists now show that 94% victims are elderly.

What people hear: 94% of elderly people will die of coronavirus.

*: Global Gaslighting Corporation

The misuse and misrepresentation of statistics has been an appalling hallmark of this virus hoo-haa, when you present statistics you need to put them into context alongside figures of normal rates, total populations and comparisons with previous years etc.

I teach statistics to medics, and include a big health warning on this in my lectures – you can always present the numbers in a way that is favourable to your position.*

It’s so transparent you can now predict this. As Covid displaces old-fashioned influenza this winter the next one will be along the lines of “covid eclipses ‘flu and now causes 80% of respiratory deaths”. There will be no acknowledgement that (1) respiratory deaths are not much higher than usual (2) non-covid respiratory deaths are much lower than usual so it is largely a competing risks scenario (3) in past years we never tested many people dying of respiratory diseases but now we are testing all of them, so in the past we did not know exactly what virus was responsible and didn’t care.

*: Of course the media should have a neutral position on this, but none of them do.

Here we go again. BBC and other media in full flow fear mongering mode. Another study from our infamous Imperial College saying we must lock down further. France already doing so in a big big way. Police state. Second wave far worse than first when in whatever way you look at it is blatantly untrue.

I have spent most of my work as an engineer doing loads of things that make our world a better place to live and have felt proud of seeing the results of my efforts. Now I see the very world I have worked so hard on being destroyed before my very eyes. You cannot kill the virus and you most certainly do not do so by destroying the world.

Angry is not a strong enough word to describe how I feel this morning.

I feel exactly the same way.

I work in engineering too. What gets me is that measures are being taken on vague evidence and supposition, all of which would get you in jail if applied to engineering.

The politicians sitting with lights on, driving in cars, using their phones, eating food not realising that a whole bunch of people made it possible for these thing NOT to kill you by being precise with measurements and testing.

Brilliant comment.
Send that message to your MP.

Yes, Would you trust a bridge or a car designed by Imperial?

Ahaha when I was there their swimming pool had allegedly been self-designed by the engineering department. There was meant to be a hall of residence above it but instead there was an empty plot with a subterranean pool. Because they’d forgotten to include the weight of the water when doing the calculations for the foundations.

Allegedly.

Time to do some serious engineering.

it was a depressing listen until some scientist was confronted with the comment by Rocco Forte that more people died of flu/pneumonia than covid. The scientist’s answer was enough to undermine his own credibility!

Could Imperial College’s stance be explained in part by the fact that the Chinese dictator visited them personally in 2015?

Did he present them with a brown envelope?

Received photographs of our younger granddaughter and her friends in their prom dresses (in hope of their school’s prom,next year)
Now I believe I talk for many,many parents and grandparents from all over the country in asking people who still go along with the present madness: ARE YOU PREPARED TO DENY YOUR CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN FROM ONE OF THEIR MOST MEMORABLE EXPERIENCES OF THEIR LIVES?
Stop believing that destroying lives,futures,businesses,jobs and mental health is worth it!
Get off your knees, open your eyes and see the truth.

Many thanks.

I’ve still got my fingers crossed I can get to South Africa in January and just came across this article basically saying that because they locked down harshly with non-medical interventions that everyone got it. Really? So lockdown and masks work by infecting everyone? But I thought not locking down will cause hundreds of thousands of deaths of infected people? They really do make it up as they go along don’t they?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/coronavirus-south-africa-herd-immunity-covid-cases-latest-b1400549.html%3famp b

Yes, our government helpfully locked down the populace, made them queue and huddle for their social grants and food parcels, illicit cigarettes and illegal liquor. Nightingale hospitals were barely used and millions lost their jobs, but kept their lives. There’s no-one left for the virus to infect and our “2nd wave” refuses to materialize. We do have mandatory masks, but 75% just ignore it as there are no fines associated with uncovered jowls.

Please come visit in January – we certainly need your Pounds!!

I don’t usually do remembrance day parades. I prefer a quiet moment of reflection

This year I will pin on my medals, my late father and mothers medals, my grandfathers medals, and the medals of my great uncle killed in Flanders in 1917

I will be on the parade

Let’s find out who really meant it last year when they said ‘ We will remember them’

Talk is cheap

Agree, my great uncle was killed along with thousands of others on the first day of the battle of the Somme.

I have the WWI brass tobacco case (the one that was given to all soldiers, I think) that belonged to my grandfather. It saved his life and it still has the impact crater from the bullet that hit it, in the back. His brother was killed at Albert, and is buried there with the wrong age on his headstone because he was only 16. He lied about his age to join up. If I was in the UK I’d go for them, and also for another great-uncle who was killed when the Fiji was sunk off Crete in WW2.
Fuck these worthless coward bureaucrats and politicians.

Thank you for that,NN.
My mother’s father lied about his age to join up (he was 15)

Absolutely, my great grandfather killed July 1917 battle of Vimey ridge , his body never recovered, I do think the chaps who fought for freedom will be turning over in their graves

My Mum’s Dad’s brother was drowned in a troop ship that was torpedoed as he was coming home. My granddad’s life was destroyed because of the loss of his brother. He never got over it.

They found a bible that belonged to him somehow, it was water damaged.

My Dad’s Mum’s brother died trying to bailout of a Halifax bomber over Lincolnshire. For her whole life she and the whole family thought he burned to death in the plane. Obviously this was very hard to bear for everybody concerned.

However some great research for a book revealed that Uncle Willie did jump out the aircraft but unfortunately his parachute didn’t open. The plane wasn’t on fire but had suffered engine failure after takeoff which was typical for these aircraft.

They killed hundreds of airmen due to their engines being totally crap. They were also very under-powered. The plane crashed in a field and most of the crew did manage to bail out successfully except for the pilot who tried to safely crash the aircraft. He died too.

I’m not sure I’ll be attending the Remembrance Day service in my village this year. The sight of people masked up while honouring those who died for our freedom would turn my stomach.

I don’t believe it: A sceptic being given airtime on BBC R4.

Maybe it’s dawned on the BBC that the more people on the dole the less TV license revenue they collect. Then they end up on the dole. I wonder how many of the BBC and Guardian staff made redundant in the summer cuts are still lockdown enthusiasts?

Yep. And the Defund the BBC campaign has been gaining momentum – that must have them running scared too.

Ive done my own defunding, everyone should too, just stop the DD.

My best friend is coming back from USA next week for 3 weeks on a whistle-stop tour of all his family and friends. He’s a U.K. passport holder and will have a hire car for the duration.

We’re trying to formulate a plan to avoid the long arm of the law. I said to just put his old U.K. address into the quarantine form and use a burner SIM number I have lying around. Anyone have any better ideas?

He also wants to go and visit some family in Newcastle, which I’ve heard can be difficult, I said jokingly to wear a hi-viz vest at all times there, but I’d be happy to hear what it’s like on the ground up there.

Thanks in advance!

Are you referring to the ‘ person locator form’?, which is submitted electronically 48 hours before travel

First thing, don’t tell any lies you can only get into trouble if you lie

As regards the mobile I said I didn’t have one, which is true

The form will then ask for a ‘ next of kin’ number, fine, give them a genuine number. There is no obligation on the nok to answer the phone

As regards address I entered ‘ No fixed abode’

The form will then ask you to explain, I wrote

‘The government has made it illegal to enter the county that I usually reside in. On exiting the terminal I intend to seek legal advice as to where I can reside’

As long as all the fields are completed it will submit

Be creative but not dishonest

The Border Agency don’t check them it’s not their job

Great tips, thanks!

Use cash at all times.

And don’t have the crapapp on any phone you may acquire after your arrival in the UK

Bakery and cake shop in Ludlow that refuses card payments and only accepts cash.

Newcastle local here, beyond most people wearing masks, town is feels fairly the same as pre-covid.
I’m curious as to why you think it can be difficult for him to visit here?

I’m not sure, it just came up in conversation that his brother said is that he’s ‘extremely pessimistic’ that it’ll be possible. He’s a Dr in a hospital and wife a midwife – I wonder if its more likely the optics.

Lie. I’ve had several family members visit me from the U.S., all lying on the form. It’s quite easy to enter using the e-gates. Change the address and phone number, no one checks.

Great article but you just get the feeling that the buffoon and chums will just follow France to stay in the stupid club. Unless some very important people get involved and the media stop the scaremongering we are going to be knackered for another six months.

One way that I think public opinion could turn is if the elites are seen to be flouting the rules .We’ve already seen the anger when Cummings was thought to have disobeyed (although that was partly because he is a Tory and therefore some wanted to make capital out of it). But eventually, the elites will want to go back to normal and a few leaked photos of MPs flouting rules could have a big effect. I’ve always said that official policy only changes when the elites are affected – an example is when London’s sewage system was built because the smell was so bad in Parliament that they had no choice.

Just to say that while I’m a fully paid-up sceptic, and know that the facts are the facts, even I’m beginning to feel that the tone and also substance in some of what’s now being said and written where the old v young stats are concerned is becoming a bit ‘throwaway’, and . . . mildly offensive.

By paragraph 4, the D-M copy is talking in terms of “working-age people” as opposed to “pensioners”. There is a value judgement in that, i.e. the lives of those who are not economically-productive units don’t matter so much as the lives of those who are. It’s not only ‘pensioners’ who are affected by that attitude (as I’m sure many of you will already know from experience), and I think it an ugly one.  (And what exactly does the word ‘pensioner’ mean these days, anyway? Certainly not what it meant pre-2011, that’s for sure, and certainly not what it signified in the latter half of the 20th century.)

Even Karl Sikora is beginning to sound a bit ‘incautious’, in my opinion. “It’s a matter of balance and we’ve not got it right.” Yes, quite so, Karl.

I don’t think that the intention is to dismiss the deaths of those of pensionable age as irrelevant, just to point out that the harm being done falls disproportionately on the shoulders of the young, while the supposed benefit from controlling the spread of the virus accrues disproportionately to the old. I say ‘supposed’ because I’ve yet to see anything other than assertion that suggests that anything that has been done has in fact done anything to control anything other than the citizenry.

A focussed protection strategy relies on being able to work out who most needs protection. Numbers like the ones you’re referring to help to illustrate the fact that people who claim that the virus strikes indiscriminately don’t know what they’re talking about (or they do know, and they lie).

It’s not a very useful distinction ( Ephraim Engleman , for example, was still of “working age” as a doctor until he died at 104), but I really don’t think it’s intentionally dismissive.

I’m sure you’re right — that it’s not intentionally dismissive. But there was nevertheless something vaguely unsettling to me in what I read – some of the language being used. In earlier days, I suggested that the term ‘bedwetters’ should be abandoned, as I thought it ‘unhelpful’. It wasn’t a suggestion that met with much approval on here initially, but I saw a few weeks ago that eventually it must have caught on. All I think I’m saying is that people — experts included — should choose their words carefully, moreso now, that we’re 8-9 months into this horrific shambles, than ever.

Good to see you back Hoppity in the sense that is any of this good – better if none of this was going on at all. I hope to read future comments from you as and when. Thanks you in advance!

I can’t remember the last time I commented on here — been too busy trying to keep myself in one piece, and head-above-water (against what I think might accurately be described as extraordinary odds) at work. I usually take a quick look here in the mornings, as well as at a few other sites, but don’t normally have the time or emotional energy to comment. I’m off work for a few days at the mo (and dreading going back).

Why am I thinking of the “Womble taxis” graffiti on the buses in Southampton in the mid 70s? (Almost died laughing? A memorable moment. I was 19.)

Minus 2 again? Oh dear. It must be me.

Worth remembering out that these are deaths ‘with’ rather than from Covid. After all many people die within 28 days of contracting a common cold. The heavy bias towards older victims suggests that Covid is simply a convenient patsy for more complex conditions.

And yep.

In the wrong again , for agreeing?! Doesn’t do to dissent in the slightest here (without going all round the houses). I think I’m beginning to feel like a pea who can’t join the Birdseye Country Club.

They grow peas for freezing around here. The farmers are told when to sow, theoretically to get a wave of ripening peas to keep the factory loaded but not overloaded.

Despite the cost of the harvesters and the wages they will tjhink nothing of harvesting half a field then standing down for half a day while the rest ripens.

This sort of tight control works for peas but they are trying to apply the same sort of logic to people. That doesn’t work so well.

I guess people are looking for a shorthand way of describing ‘the vulnerable by virtue of age or existing health condition’. On the age issue the point is that your chance of dying from anything increases enormously once you pass 70, between the ages of 75 – 84 you stand a 1 in 19 chance of dying in the next 12 months for teenagers it is about 1 in 9000. Covid mortality seems to mirror standard mortality curves and so clearly it is the elderly that are vulnerable.
To my mind the point is that the Government are actually making things worse by general blunderbuss lock-downs that leave the elderly/vulnerable much more at risk. It would be quite easy to set up a voluntary, community based system of protection for the elderly/vulnerable, the Government just needs to give guidelines, strategy and provide resources. Many elderly/vulnerable would be keen to voluntarily take up such a scheme. Other elderly/vulnerable (like me) would decide they would rather take their chances, fair enough that is their decision.
The glaring point as set out in today’s newsletter is that the statistics clearly show that this virus is mostly affecting some clearly and easily identified groups and the Government are ignoring this fact.

Yep.

I’m 67, my life is of less value to me than those of my children and grandchildren.

Just so. If a virus appeared that was particularly dangerous for people of my exact age, I would be horrified and enraged if the world was closed down to “protect me”.

Yes, I understand all that (I’m not far behind you), and all the rest, which seems to have been lost on lots of people here. I stand by what I said, i.e. that the language sometimes being used now to argue the case against the Covid roadshow is careless.

I understand what you are saying, but I do feel the criticism is a bit overblown. I’m just not as sensitive as you are to language used, I suppose.

But there is a legitimate point that should not be hidden from here. There is a sense in which every life has the same notional value, which is similar to the principle that men are born equal. It has meaning, but equally if it is taken too literally or over-applied, it becomes dangerous nonsense.

From government’s point of view, there absolutely is a sense in which it is more important to defend younger lives than older, and while the working age has certainly extended considerably for many, with generally lighter work and better health, nevertheless retirement is still a fact for the vast majority. Yes, older people are entitled to proper medical treatment, but on the other hand there comes a point where putting more resources in to try to extend a life is no longer defensible, and this point is correctly sooner reached than for a younger person. This is inherent in the QALY calculations used daily.

And too there is the point that Nigel Sherratt makes, that I would apply to myself as well – a parent who does not regard his children’s and grandchildren’s lives as more important than his own has gone badly wrong somewhere.

Philosophically speaking, the reality is that one of our goals in life should be to reconcile ourselves to the inevitability of death, to come to terms with it, and to prepare ourselves for it. I once read the suggestion (from a religious character in a novel) that the pains and discomforts of age were his God’s way of loosening him in his body, like a cook loosening something in the pan so it will slide out more easily. There’s wisdom there, I think.

I’d agree that I am acutely ‘sensitive to language’. That sensitivity has served me well at other times, in other places.

P.S. Thanks for mentioning that you understood what I was getting at, at least. You seem to be the only person who has.

The term ‘pensioner’ is bandied about patronisingly by the media to include ,mountaineers ,adventurers of all stripes, as well as artists, writers etc. The one that enraged me was describing a round the world sailor aged 80 odd as a bloody pensioner!

The median age at ITU admission is 61. A quarter of all patients are under 50. Very few are over 85 – and that number is decreasing further as beds fill). Even discounting the extreme elderly in Nursing Homes who accounted for s significant proportion of deaths, there is a reason for much higher mortality in the 85+ in hospitals – they do not routinely receive aggressive treatment (which is also the true for other respiratory diseases). Once the ITUs are full of fifty-year olds (only 1/10 of which have severe comorbidities), what then? What do you think will happen to the age-adjusted mortality when there are no available beds in HDU/ITU for the “working-age people”. Forget routine surgery, cancer surgery… without HDU/ITU capacity these will not be possible.

Naive death statistics only tell a part of the story, and the headline – “Average age was greater than 80” sounds OK, but is too simplistic (like most things).

Meanwhile straight from the ‘horse’s mouth’ (London Ambulance Service). Where are the drastic measures to flatten this curve?

“Sadly, the number of suicide and attempted suicide incidents we attend are increasing.

Our crews now attend an average of 37 suicides or attempted suicides per day, compared to 22 in 2019 and 17 five years ago.”

https://twitter.com/Ldn_Ambulance/status/1321566876732952581

That’s 13,505 a year, and the Covid deaths for London are?

But there is no expensive vaccine to be sold. Wake up at the back.

For Them it doesn’t even matter! Those deaths are just a bonus.

That is a horrible number and for just London alone. We won’t know statistics I believe until next March officially. These need to be published as a matter of urgency.

Just for comparison London deaths ( either tested positive for COVID-19 or where COVID-19 was mentioned on the death certificate). Average 9.2 per day

21st 9
22nd 14
23rd 11
24th 2
25th 2
26th 8
27th 19

https://www.london.gov.uk/coronavirus/coronavirus-covid-19-numbers-london

ALL deaths are welcome!

Even though OPERATION COVID main goals is not to terminate modern moron slaves, that will be the goal of the OPERATION GREAT REST (reset for the distracted!), all extra goodies that happen, like these deaths, are welcomed by the SRF & Billionaires.

A good update today. I agree with the conspiracy letter: there are some people who are looking to take advantage of the situation to maximise their interests. Also, I put nothing past humanity – the most evil and depraved acts have been enacted or attempted to enact. So I definitely think it is reasonable and probably likely that there are people acting maliciously in all this. I just don’t see the ‘big conspiracy’ of people in a room plotting.

The letter to the MP was scathing too.

I note the BBC running with a new study from Imperial College. I wonder what it says. Oh, we’re at a critical point and need to lockdown? What a surprise. We’ve been at a critical point every day for the last seven months according to that lot of maniacs.

Best form of protest I can think of right now are the physical protests (is there one in London on Saturday? I am free for the first time in ages this weekend, is there somewhere I can get details?) – write to the MP – and looking at the requirements and restrictions in place, doing what Lord Sumption said and considering the wider context when looking what you do in relation to those restrictions.

Thanks. Genuinely want to know about protests in London this weekened if I could get info?

Could the March visit Imperial College?

Maybe they should and have placards saying “DEFUND IMPERIAL COLLEGE”

Found this on Twitter re a march in London. I don’t know what Stand Up X are like as an organisation but this seems to be the only one being advertised currently.

StandUpX on Twitter: “Unite for freedom march on Saturday join us on our next March starting at Crystal Palace station 31.10.2020 12pm! #londonprotest #london #WeDoNotConsent #pandemic #fakenews #lockdowns #StandUpX #boris #COVID19 https://t.co/2kEszFiJyI ” / Twitter
https://mobile.twitter.com/StandUpX2/status/1321144737504657410

Thanks. I assume there will be a march this weekend, might be a case of waiting to hear more info, I would have thought this weekend would be the biggest yet.

We are Stand Up X. We are the people! We are the power! We are the 99%!

Will we have to rely on the Russians again for coverage

I enjoyed Dr. Murphy’s post too. As someone who always leaned left, I’d always thought it was about economic redistribution and protecting disadvantaged societal groups. It’s come as a bracing slap in the face to realise far too many on the left are also in favour of authoritarian micro-managing of our lives. I think the old left/right binary may be finally obsolete.

I also appreciated her words on Michel Foucault, whose ideas underpinned my own PhD and feature in much of my own research. I too was bemused to see his ideas being mischaracterised as only of value to the left. It seems to me that his technique of laying out the procedures by which power and knowledge are mutually reinforcing, finding expression in institutions which find a common interest in constructing certain regimes of truth are not particularly left or right wing but rather an often disturbing manual for how human beings can be oppressed by means other than top down state power. Like her, I listened with appalled fascination to Dr. Mike Yeadon’s excellent Delingpod interview and saw immediate parallels between his notion of convergent opportunism and the very things that Foucault wrote about from the 60s until his death.

With ‘cases’ and Covid death data a tissue of lies and with excess deaths largely made up of lockdown victims perishing at home, I think respiratory illness deaths are what should be tracked.

Has anyone got a link to an updating graph that also shows previous years? I’m convinced that from June onwards 2020 will not diverge much from previous years.

Such a graph will be a great tool for making some cultists realise things are actually pretty normal right now and put the inevitable scare mongering of rising hospital admissions throughout Winter in perspective.

Main stories on the Telegraph website page. Is there no end to this doom-laden, fear mongering.

I’ve cancelled our DT subscription.

Just seen the notice board at the Church. And, of course, the Remembrance Sunday service has been cancelled due to ruddy COVID.

The notice implores people to stand on their doorsteps and clap. I will not clap. As far as I am concerned this is a moment for quiet, dignified reflection not asinine, gormless seal-like behaviour. Thankfully, at 11 a.m. on Remembrance Sunday, I will be at work so I won’t have to listen to this cringefest.

is 11/11 not the perfect day to go out and protest? It would be the best way to honour those who died defending liberty.

Fair point. But those clapping probably have no bloody idea why they will be clapping. They will be the same goons who clapped for the wretched NHS. I take the same view of clapping at funerals – I find it ghastly. I’m doing my bit to protest every other day. As I say, in my opinion, this time should be one for quiet reflection. I am angered at the cowardly behaviour of the Church who will not even countenance a service at the village war memorial.

It is disgraceful.

They died so that their zombie descendants could turn themselves into cringing muzzled morons.
Wear your face nappy with shame.

ENOUGH clapping on doorsteps.

Disgustingly disrespectful

Agree, never understood the clapping. A 2 minute clap for the fallen, no thanks

Akin to clapping a funeral cortege.

IIRC, the “minutes’s applause” was introduced at football grounds due to there always being a few idiots not respecting the silences if a rival ex-player had died. No justification for it anywhere else but that seems totally forgotten.

Absolutely! Crass beyond words.

We will Remember our Fallen without the need to clap. This is the first year we have not seen any poppies for sale. I have now ordered a poppy flag which will be displayed on the front of our house.

i bought some at a local m&s/BP petrol station, and did so without wearing a mask; then smiled at the very helpful cashier and thanked the establishment for ‘carrying’ the item.

Oh deep joy.

Thankfully I will be working that day so will not have to put up with this nonsense. Will remember in my own way.

Is the Cenotaph ceremony at Whitehall not happening? It’s one of the few BBC things I still always tune into. It is very dignified with the wreath-laying and then the march past by veterans. Always thought-provoking. My mother, who is 92, lost her older brother on active service in Burma in December 1944. She was 17 and he was 21. I only know him from black and white photos. He left no family. Once my mother passes, he will continue to live as a person in my mind, the only person alive who will still think of him.

The Big Reset means eradicating all British values and customs.

It’s looking like yet another one of the ‘convergent opportunist’ interests are indeed at work.

I think I read recently that it won’t be, but happy to be proved wrong. I was referring to the local service in our village.

Agree, with regards to the BBC. It was about the only thing I ended up tuning into – dignified and respectful.

Gillian, (and others) please remember that there are only 28 MPs who now have the right to lay a wreath at ANY war memorial. Any MP outside those 28 who nobly voted against these coronavirus restrictions who lays a wreath at ANY war memorial monument is a hypocrite of the first degree.
Johnson, Hancock and all the rest of the disgusting evil crew ought not even to be there.
Our parent and grandparents did not prosecute two world wars to a successful and victorious conclusion in order that we should be bossed about by yellow-jacketed jobsworths.

Excellent point. Wish I could uptick more than once.

The preacher for Sunday’s service will be nailed to the notice board outside.

Yes deplorable abhorramce. Using guilt and national rememberance to once again solder group think into the nation. Viscious bastards promote such things.

I’ll be at my local memorial.

Enough is enough get rid of this government now I can no longer tolerate the incompetent ass Johnson no longer https://www.remove-the-tory+government.org

AZT is used in this LS issue to stand for Azithromycin. Surely it is much more commonly used to stand for highly toxic Zidovudine used in AIDS treatment with often fatal results?

In Round-up New paper confirms the Holy Trinity of HCQ + AZT + Zinc is an effective treatment.

I had a very bad bronchial infection 18 months ago.
Temperature 39.6 C.
GP prescribed Azithromycin

Has it occurred to you that the nearer we get to the US Election and Brexit the more hysterical SAGE and MSM get?

Yes. Things will settle once Trump is re-elected and after 31 December. Calmer days in January.

Really hope so…but I have a sneaking suspicion that we’re in for a bumpy ride over the next few months

I’ve thought for a long time that this would be the case Bella and Gillian.

I think Sage in particular are getting more and more desperate. They know that they are going to be hoist with their own petard very soon. They are desperate for a lockdown so that they can give that as the reason when their projections don’t materialise.
“ Look what could have happened”

Speaking of following the money segment:
https://goodlawproject.org/news/special-procurement-channels/

Those hoping for the return of sanity in a post-lockdown world should put not their faith in Jackanape Johnners the Poundland Churchill.

Poundland Churchill.. that’s a keeper!

Wasn’t it less than a fortnight ago that a certain Mike Yeadon predicted that London rates would not follow the same rise as the north, and that the northern “second waves” would start dropping too. Don’t you just love a scientist who makes a testable prediction, and even better, don’t you love it when he seems to be right.

And don’t you just wish he was in charge of the overall response, a British Tegnell to guide the ship into calm waters, instead of what we have now: Sir Cloudesley Shovell wrecking the entire fucking Royal Navy on the Scilly Isles.

Yesterday US made 4.700.000 PCR tests.That is more than 1% of US population in one day.Only 1.69% were positive resulting in 81000 “cases”.Deaths around 1000 but US has had stable death the since several months. This is testing madness.

And it STILL just gets reported as raw case statistics, with constant moronic headlines about “record case numbers”

While it is heartening to learn that another anit-lockdown group has been started AND it is supported by numerous high-level and highly qualified people, there is one group that is absent from all of this, unless I am very mistaken.
Where is the Church? Where is the Archbishop of Canterbury, the Rt. Rev Justin Welby? Where is the Archbishop of York? Where are ANY of the Bishops?
As I remarked yesterday in these columns I went to church last Sunday, maskless and NOT observing anti-social distancing, and I challenged one clergyman on the callous indifference of the clergy to the very real sufferings experienced by the ordinary people of this country; apart from a rather weak agreement (how could they disagree?) I received little response. Yes, there are individual Christians helping out where they can but where, o where, is the prophetic voice of the Church? Where are the Isaiahs, Jeremiahs, Hoseas and so forth?
I too have written to my MP and pointed that he has had THREE opportunities to vote against these Coronavirus regulations and has used NONE of them. My emails have frequently been very blunt and I have called him a ‘party apparatchik’. To his credit he has often responded.
With few exceptions (28 to be precise, and I must mention the Rt Hon. Sir Desmond Swayne in despatches) our MPs have shown that they do not care about the people of this country at all. And nor do our clergy. The Church of England has failed the people but none of the other denominations are any better.

The callousness of the Church is utterly shocking, equalled only by its nauseating hypocrisy.
Our rector made no protest when a member of our congregation, a wife of fifty years, was forcibly kept away from her dying husband’s bedside, but wrote a long message denouncing racism when BLM started their nonsense.
I told him what I thought of him.
He hates me.
I don’t care.

I love you Annie x

Agree. Had a chat with a vicar and it was like trying to get blood out of a stone – it was platitude after platitude after platitude with no effort to try to engage with logic or common sense.

The Church of England has been nothing but a mouthpiece of the state. Even from the word go. And none of the other denominations are any better, they should all be ashamed of themselves.

Time to take back control. I say Christians should channel the spirit of those from the first century AD!

Remember that ‘the church’ is the body of people who, throughout the ages, have chosen Christ as their exemplar and guide. It is not an institution nor an organisation.

I have stopped going to church. I am – or rather was – a chorister and my main reason for going was a love of traditional Anglican choral music. I have no desire to sit in a socially distanced church with masked people who are not allowed to sing. It would be like attending a Quaker meeting in an operating theatre. As Trollope so rightly put it in ‘Barchester Towers’ – ‘if there is no music, there is no mystery; if there is no mystery, there is no God.’

Recovery – sounds promising but where’s the website – hopefully to come once launched

A good group of names, broad church, people harder to attack

https://timeforrecovery.org/

Mass tracking and testing if it involves any coercion or persuasion is a form of lockdown. We know this, but most people don’t think of it like that. Make the point to them, whenever you can.

Love the sound of “Recovery”. Is there a website or Twitter? Thank you

I can’t find anything

Found it: https://timeforrecovery.org/

Hope this is something people feel they can unite behind. X x

Great, thanks for this. You will find you can join and there is also a form where you can state your opinions on Covid.

I have just joined.

Me too

The melancholy of an empty car park, on a Thursday morning in late October. Where are all the people, why is the coffee shop now gone. It feels like mid December without the cheer.

I suppose i should be grateful that i still have a job, though it feels like a temporary delay of execution.

Surely now is the time for a “pants down – come out ” direct action rally at Imperial College London. They can afford the bad press they have strong financial backing..

Piers Corbyn had a rally there a few weeks ago. Only a handful of people bothered to turn up.

Pessimistic this morning. Government going in wrong direction entirely. The pressure on them is building but it needs to be way higher to make a difference. We need all of the Tory press to be slaughtering the govt daily in editorials and for them to stop publishing doom laden headlines (left-leaning press as well, if they want). I think it’s going to be a few more months

Kate Bingham, Berserker Rapture Bunnie extraordinaire, has a screed in the Lancet.

Scribble, scribble, scribble until the Berserkers can prick, prick, prick.

As she proclaims in an immortal phrase, “No-one is safe until we are all safe.”

Safe from whom, or what?

Quite simply, that means “no one is safe until we are all dead.”

Rat on your neighbours, friends and family, say one of the Police chiefs. Lockdown the country, say SAGE. Who would that help when the West is devoid of Business. Swathes of Europe are being locked down, are they still producing food or will we need to get it from elsewhere when the shortages begin? And from where. People still think one life is worth it.!!

Can someone quickly explain to me the false positive rate for PCR? An elderly relative’s hairdresser has “tested positive and is self-isolating” and I’d just like to pour some oil on panicking waters.

The answer, unfortunately, is “it depends”. The false positive rate for the test itself is around 2%: that is, 2% of people who are truly negative get a false positive result. But your relative’s hairdresser is interested, very naturally, in the chance that he or she personally truly has the disease after a positive test. And that depends on the prevalence. There are two possible scenarios.

If they have reason to believe they have, or might have been exposed to the disease in a social or work context, then something like 10% of such people probably actually are positive. So roughly 12% of tests results for those people are positive, of which 10% are true and 2% are false. So the chances of someone in that situation with a positive result being truly positive are roughly 10/12, say 80%.

On the other hand, if they are taken from the population at random, say taking the test in order to travel, that’s a group where about 0.1% of such people probably actually are positive. So roughly 2.1% of tests results for those people are positive, of which 0.1% are true and 2% are false. So the chances of someone in that situation with a positive result being truly positive are roughly 0.1/2.1, say 5%.

Thank you very much!

But that 2% is presumably based on reasonably well conducted sampling and testing procedures. The quality of the operation could affect it dramatically.

And of course a true positive does not necessarily mean having active disease or being infectious, either, though that is subsumed in your point about prevalence, I suppose.

Quite so.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/10/29/take-survey-tell-us-think-governments-coronavirus-response/ ?

I had fun answering this. Telegraph survey on the government response to pandemic.

Please fill out!

Just seen a headline on one of the daily rags: We cannot thank you enough … ‘ Wills and Kate salute NHS heroes’. Really, really?

Yeah, thanks for all the cancer diagnoses missed; thanks for all the hospital appointments and necessary operations cancelled; thanks for all the doctor’s appointments not now permitted. Again, words fail me …

News of all of that wouldn’t have reached them and never likely to. National disgrace swept under the rug

I find it cringing that even the royals are having to kowtow to the Church of the NHS.

Lionel Shriver is right, the UK must be the only country in the world that worships and sanctifies its health service. Other countries don’t see the need to and they have far superior systems than ours.

And of course this obsession with a virus has meant that all other conditions have not got a look in and we’re now paying the price.

This worship has got to stop. Of course the royals can’t break ranks but we the people should stand up, say enough is enough and stop this worship of the No Health Service.

Totally agree. It should be there for us, not the other way round.

The NHS has caused so much misery in my life and for my business to be thought acceptable collateral damage to ‘save’ it outrages me more than I can say.

It needs a radical, massive overhaul.

Agree and this should be a wake up call to carry out long overdue root and branch reform.

You’re far from alone.

I know far more people who were treated like crap, including the dead ones, than who actually received decent treatment

I never thought I’d say this but after the Queen dies I cannot see any point in continuing with the Monarchy.

That’s exactly how I feel. They are a busted flush. Only use is as a sort of posh soap opera diversion from the crapfest!

Agree completely.

Have to agree with that. What follows her isn’t too appetising.

I have been coming to this conclusion. I have always been pro-monarchy, but it seems it may have been just pro-Elizabeth ll. The others all put together will never match her.

Queenie didn’t wear a muzzle when she visited Dstl Porton Down a short time ago.

That can’t have been an oversight, and if it wasn’t an oversight it was a massive statement. She gets a bow from me for that one.

The trouble with her descendants is that they are not very bright, and even less worldly wise.

I’ve always been a Royalist but I now agree with you ,leave the Queen to see out her reign then abolish the Monarchy take back all lands and house owned by them ,or at the very least we keep a monarch but get rid of the rest of them and under no circumstances allow that crank Prince Charles to be king

Me and Mr TT have become increasingly anti-Monarchy over the last year or so. Pretty sick of the ‘fragrant’ Kate, in her pretty floral Boden-esque attire and perfectly styled hair playing happy families with her mental health/green new deal activist husband (he with a D notice on his extra-curricular activities). That’s before we even mention the two grifters in California.

Oh yes. I thought Hilary Mantel was a bit cruel about her a few years ago when she described her as a “mannequin”, but that description is particularly apt right now.

And as for the other two, they are just beyond a joke.

Ditto. She was ahead of the game on that one.

Wasps(White Anglo Saxon protestants) oh and”medically examined” virgins as well.

Have to say I agree 100% with the dislike of the younger Royals expressed here.

Like you, I’ve always supported the institution of the Monarchy, and I still do, just about, based on the Ultimate Argument for the Monarchy (see below). But watching all the Royals younger than the Queen herself, and noting Her own refusal (understandable though it is) to take any stand over the key foreign policy and constitutional issues of our time – Iraq, Brexit, panic lockdown, it is with ever decreasing enthusiasm and ever-increasing holding of my nose.

The Ultimate Argument for the Monarchy is: President Blair.

The existence of the Monarchy, for all its negative aspects, at least prevents the most loathsome individuals around from ever achieving the post of Head of State. There will always be Someone at least to whom they have to defer, even if it is only in formal settings. That’s not nothing.

Are you sure there would be enough people mad enough to vote for a President Blair? I get the broader point, but currently we have a government which is nominally answerable to a head of state who doesn’t get involved. At least a directly elected head of state would have to have an eye to the electorate.

Having lived through the Blair era I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever that he would have won a Presidential election in the late 1990s/early 2000s.

Remember this is the man who lied us into a catastrophic war of aggression, was generally recognised as having done that, and yet was voted back into office two years afterwards by nine and a half million Labour-voting hypocrites and apologists for war crime.

Now granted, many of those aforementioned hypocrites and apologists for war crime probably would have balked at actually voting for him personally, rather than hiding behind the fact they were voting for his party, but before 2003 he would have won a presidential election in this country absolutely hands down against any plausible opponent.

I write that as someone who absolutely loathes him and almost everything he did and stood for.

It is (or should be) a refutation of any inclination to maintain illusions about democracy, which is itself mostly illusory, and at best a useful tool and perhaps the least worst form of governance that is in practice available. Though that last can of course be reasonably contested.

I think there is a difference between voting for a party and voting for a person. People may have continued to vote Labour in their constituencies after the Iraq war, but a lot of that vote was about party or about the local MP. Presidential elections are different, which is why in the US you don’t always get a result where Congress and the Senate go the same way as the presidency.

There is of course a distinction between voting for a party and voting for a person, which I drew attention to myself. But it is, in our increasingly presidential politics, a distinction with less and less difference.

And in 2005 the fact is that anybody who voted Labour was voting to put a war criminal into office as Prime Minister. They knew full well that that was what they were doing.

The thing is, under our current system, it is incredibly difficult to get rid of the head of government. We can’t get rid of the head of state at all, of course, but if most of the actual power vests in government then that doesn’t really matter. Because of the presumed prestige of having the PM in your local seat, no sitting prime minister has ever been voted out (and only one – Balfour – has been voted out after their party left office). This also applies to a lesser extent to ministers, which means that the cabinet as a whole can function in defiance of public opinion because their own seats are safe. When a government does something contentious, as with Iraq, or with our present situation, it doesn’t necessarily mean that all MPs of the party are tarnished. The reasons for this are sometimes local, sometimes about other policy areas, but even if you reduce the vote to being about the one issue it’s still not that simple. After all, would you consider someone who voted for Claire Short in 2005 to be tacitly supporting the Iraq War? What about if they voted for one of the many Conservative MPs who voted with the Blair government on the matter? The only real alternative for people for whom the Iraq war was a primary issue in 2005 was the Lib Dems and most people correctly felt this was a wasted vote and would not change the Government (and I speak as someone who voted Lib Dem in 2005).

A president is, by contrast, a much easier target. If we had a president and we gave them the final say on matters of foreign policy then the public could readily vote them out whilst keeping the underlying government intact. We’d still have the same problem in areas where the Government dominated policy – witness the perennial problem with the US healthcare system – but they would be accountable in the areas where they had impact.

That said, I don’t think we’d want to adopt the US system here. When people think of an elected head of state they tend to assume the American model, but if we looked round the world I’m sure we could find a better one somewhere. Maybe we could even make it illegal for someone to stand for the presidency if they’d ever been part of the Government, although I’m not sure whether that would be a good or bad thing. One thing is certain, however, I’m not looking forward to King Charles III.

My view too. As my father used to call him – Princess Tony (make of that what you will!) – is/was the only thing that kept me being pro-Monarchy. However, the Queen’s offspring do make you now wonder whether it could be any worse? If only we could nominate the Princess Royal – she gets my vote ahead of her brothers and nephews.

Yes, Princess Anne would be the least worst imo as well.

I agree that it’s hard to imagine a politician much worse as an individual than the Royals currently in the US, and the others aren’t much better, but we are likely to get a t***er either way, so we might as well keep the cap on political slimeballs’ ambitions in place, I think

Stomach churning cap doffing and boot licking.

I am done!
It doesn’t matter what we discuss here in our echo chamber of skepticism
It doesn’t matter about the facts of false positives, actual IFR, age or health of the unfortunates that have actually died or the negative effects of lockdown
It doesn’t matter if 1000s of eminent scientists and doctors write papers that the reaction to the pandemic is wrong and completely overblown
It does not matter if economists warn of millions of unemployed, millions of people plunged into poverty
It simply does not matter!
Every country in Europe is plunging it’s citizens into further lockdowns, they are further restricting their peoples rights and destroying hard won freedoms
There will be no end to this until the vaccine, I will not be able to travel to see my family, my kids will not be able to see their grandparents and all the other little joys that make life worth living will be curtailed until big pharma get their thirty pieces of silver and the politicians can wash their hands of the mess they have created
So here is my arm, put the bloody needle in it now, give me the vaccine stamp in my passport or bar code tattooed on my arm if you like because whatever the vaccine does to me cannot be worse than this crap

Gotcha!

Next…

Or as Farinances would say – “man down”

Stop it! It’s the same for all of us. Everyones lives are affected. Those responsible should be hanging from lampposts, you should feel bloody angry not defeatist!

I am bloody angry but I don’t see any other way out of this, I had hope that the that a better understanding of the disease that we have now and the number of experts coming out as sceptics would prevent the stupidity we are seeing across the continent but we are back to square one
There are only 2 ways out of this now, massive revolt of the people and removal of governments or the vaccine with or without health passport
I do not see any real revolt so vaccine it is

The vaccine, however, is going to be the next endless headless-chicken slanging match*, because people (The People) have a superstitious faith in “the vaccine”, but it’s increasingly clear that the vaccines are being developed to mitigate symptoms not prevent infection or transmission, so they are not (to use yet another tired phrase) a “silver bullet”. The “lockdown until the vaccine” brigade are going to be seriously disappointed – and eventually helpless in the face of public anger.

Revolt it is. This year? Nope. Next year? Maybe. Year after that? Probably. We’re in this for the long haul.

(*Can headless chickens slang? I’m not sure.)

Vaccine with health passport is not a way out of this.

Compliance with any of this – including taking the vaccine and using the health passport is only going to leave us in a deeper hole. If we take this ‘solution’ there will be no way out and frankly all those who are compliant will deserve it.

Deeper hole indeed! Firstly, the vaccine is only designed to lessen symptoms. So we must live with this virus (a taboo suggestion). Although the vaccine will be administered it will be of little consequence anyway as thousands will not take it. Boosters are required and people won’t take them either.

Health passports will be the tip of the iceberg as biometric surveillance of our movements will bring further rules in their wake. There is no salvation that I can see. It really is as bad as many people on here predict. Winter respiratory illnesses will make the fear become entrenched and safetyism normalised.

It all calls for a winter of discontent on the streets!

We have got to hope that when the furlough scheme ends on Saturday to be replaced by a “mish mash”of “pick and lose” payments, it will dawn on people that they haven’t got enough money to pay the bills and put food on the table and at last a much delayed backlash will begin.

Indeed, when it starts hitting people in the pocket and the stomach, that might help.

Remember the establishment can print endless amounts of their money to bribe people with – that will never be a problem.

Problems will start when supply chains fall apart and goods become scarce. Also society will eventually start to fracture if people can’t see their relatives.

They will be hanging from lampposts. It’s just a question of when, not if.

I have times feeling like that. For me it sometimes come down to a choice of suicide, or fight. Why should I ‘run away’, even if the tide is against me? I don’t want to live like this, so I will fight, because I don’t want to run away (suicide/threatening to move to another country/whatever). Don’t care about how much is stacked against me. It’s either run, or fight, and I currently choose the latter. Fuck ’em.

I went to a protest a few weeks ago in Bucherest against masking of children in schools
Here in Romania children over five must mask up, even in the classroom while at school and also on the street in certain areas
To me this is obvious child abuse and should be fought against
There was around 100 people there on a weekend day, it was pathetic, that was when it started to dawn on me that the people were not going to end this stupidity and we were lost

There was a report on masking children and the terrible effects it has on their brain development. Perhaps this is their intention to deliberately impair their intelligence. The sooner Dr Fuellmich begins his Crimes Against Humanity Charges the better.

And so say all of us.

If we bow out, they win. That just can’t happen. We all have to stay the distance, or we let everyone else here down. Now that would be selfish wouldn’t it.

That is exactly what ‘they’ want you to think. No, No, No!

Come on… don’t vote him down. The poor fellow is having the same horrible day lots of us have had at some point. It would require some form of supernatural power not to feel this way from time to time.

He needs support, not condemnation.

So, the plan is working?

It all matters. It’s a shitty situation and many of us feel exhausted and low on optimism to some extent at different times. I certainly didn’t understand in the beginning that we would still be up to our necks at this point, but we are only 7 months in. Imagine if our predecessors had given up every fight (intellectual or military) for freedom and rationality after a matter of months.

The vaccine won’t be the end. At least not the first few versions of it and if eventually an effective one is found it will be far too late for our freedoms and society. Give up if you must, but don’t imagine that you will be allowed the life that you value as a reward for rolling over. Stick with us- there is still everything to fight for.

History will vindicate us.

Vaccines. Once you pop you can’t just stop.

The MSM are still portraying The Vaccines as the only way out but it won’t be the end, just the beginning of something else. Health passports. Have you taken your statin today? Do you eat meat? Or do you “base every meal on starchy carbohydrates”?

Just go and see your family, it really is that simple.

Unfortunately if I want to see my family i would need to quarantine for 2 weeks in the UK and then quarantine for 2 weeks in Romania when I return, basically I need a month to spend one day at home.

Na, my grandfathers didn’t fight in two world wars just for our generation to throw in the towel because they don’t want to cause a scene in Tesco!

My father’s father didn’t survive a Japanese POW camp to defend the freedoms of British citizens just for those frightened civilians to abjectly surrender my children’s civil liberties over a phantom menace.

Man up and get a grip. British people have overcome far worse than this and we will do so again!

All of those things you mentioned will count once public opinion decisively turns, which it will do.

It has already been made clear that any vaccine will not bring current measures to an end.

I know how you feel but we have to stand our ground and fight. It doesn’t matter if the rest of the world is against us.

I’m the only one in my work who doesn’t wear a muzzle (due to exemptions) and I’m possibly the only one who is a sceptic but I’m not going to let it get to me. I try to use whatever limited platform I have to let people know that they’re alone and that they have the power to say no.

We also hold the power in various ways – voting with our feet and wallets to boycott businesses and institutions who have swallowed the propaganda whole and treat their customers and visitors appallingly in the name of “safety.”

Also furlough is ending and there are more than enough signs that the economic and social fallout will be far, far worse than deaths due to the virus. We can only hope then that people will soon wake up.

Thing is, as tiring as it is resisting this, there’s no point in capitulating.

I don’t believe the powers that be have any intention of returning to ‘normal’ or ‘allowing’ us to do the things that make life worth living. They’re either covid obsessed or up to something more sinister, who knows.

We might as well resist and try to do the things that make life worth living anyway, and if we bring as many people along with us as we can, a return to normal will be forced in the end.

That’s what they want, to break your spirit and turn you into a slave.If you think a vaccine will end this then you are very much mistaken.Digital I.D comes with the vaccine and that combined with digital money is the end of freedom as we know it.

I understand the sentiment, but a one-off vaccine won’t end this crap.
The ‘until we have a vaccine’ part of the narrative was parroted everywhere right from the start , to persuade and convince the populace that it was the only route out.
But it is really only the start.
Sorry to say…

It’s good to see that Michael O’Bernicia, and his Private Criminal Prosecution, was given a mention in the round-up today.

Follow development here. Also some interesting advice on masks in the workplace:

https://www.thebernician.net/critical-thinking/

This has apparently appeared on his facebook page. I will update when confirmed on his blog as I don’t have access to FB:

COVID-1984 PCP UPDATE | The office of the secretary of state for mandatory vaccinations has now admitted in a Freedom of Information Request [FOI] that the government lurgy has never been proven to exist. Yes, you did read that correctly.
To put this in perspective, this is akin to the UK banks admitting that they never lend any money, when we started alleging that against them more than a decade ago.
It therefore doesn’t take much effort to work out that the pressure the Private Criminal Prosecution has placed upon every MP has catalysed the beginning of the end for this treacherous Parliament.
When Wankock’s office has already confessed that COVID-1984 policies are entirely founded upon that which they cannot prove to exist, no MP is capable of successfully pleading not guilty to our allegations of fraud.
After receiving more evidence from witnesses to government crimes, the initial drafting of the court papers will now be completed by close of business tomorrow.
The final drafting will be done over the weekend and Monday has been set aside by our legal team for the information to be laid in a criminal court, with summonses to follow without delay.
The People will also seek an order placing the accused under indefinite house arrest, until a jury finds them guilty as charged and relocates them to Belmarsh and Durham jails.
If such an order for house arrest takes effect on or by the 5th of November, that would give us all a Guy Fawkes night to remember, in celebration of the metaphorical blowing up of a criminal Parliament and the end of COVID-1984.

https://www.thebernician.net/covid-1984-foi-request-uk-government-admits-virus-doesnt-exist/

France.Macron stated that all persons entering France will be screened at the border, airports to stop importing this deadly disease. He must be aware of that at least 100000 per day is infected in France and that the virus is already endemic. How can a few passengers from abroad really contribute to their epidemic? Entry screening is not even safe. All shouting for effective passenger screening should think about the recent Moscow airport fiasco. 270 Russian fishermen were screened before a flight to NZ. Two were positive and denied flight all others negative boarded the plane. Landing in NZ and in the 2 weeks isolation about 30 became pos.

I’m sure he is well aware, but this policy will be popular with people who don’t think.

Funny isn’t it, back in June Macron said he would never lockdown France again. Here we are four months later and he is locking France down again for a virus 99.98% people survive! Who knew politicians lie!!

The French population seem to be some of the least rebellious when it comes to Covid restrictions. What is wrong with them? the only time they seem to protest is when they want more state handouts, are they happy living under a dictatorship again? Has there actually been any mass anti lockdown protest in Paris?

Where are the Gilets Jaunes when they need them?

Listening to “In our time” on BBC R4 and 1 of the contributors mentioned that the black death wiped out a third of the population in the 14th century.
The experts would have us believe that Covid is worse than that.

If you google “Great Famine 1315-1317” you’ll find that famine due to CLIMATE CHANGE wiped out between 10% and 25% of Europe’s population.

And yet we’re told that a continuation of the modest warming over the past century or so is likely to cause an unprecedented global climate catastrophe.

That letter to his local MP is very, very spot on. If anything that should be circulated far and wide because I can imagine that the letter writer’s experience is far from unique.

We are staring at the edge of the Abyss with two days to go before furlough ends and with more jobs and businesses scheduled to be lost and go bust.

Meanwhile in my workplace, the Unions have rejected the plan for my workplace to reduce its pensions contribution and so individual consent was sought. I replied back to say that I was agreeing to the reduction as at the moment I’m more concerned with keeping my job rather than the off chance of getting more worthless loose change in the future.

Nothing yet about compulsory redundancies but it will come.

It angers me that so many people are still asleep and that they’re still asking for another lockdown.

What part of lockdowns don’t work do they not understand?

But, in the words of my MP, “one person’s cough, is another’s death knell” so we have to carry on trashing absolutely everything …

They really couldn’t give a stuff (Sir Desmond Swayne excepted).

Agree. They’re not of this world and don’t care about the damage they’ve caused.

Winge winge winge…

Imagine how he’d moan if he had a real illness like long covid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqUAJBd-rKc

The video above about intelligence says it all doesn’t it?

Around half of the UK population have an IQ less than 100. Think that’s bad? In Africa around half the population have an IQ less than 70. The cut off for the UK forces is or was 80. Northern Italy perhaps has the highest IQ in Europe and the far east has the highest in the world, yet China seemingly has an inability to innovate or design. This is likely cultural. Ashkenazi (European) Jews perhaps the highest IQ possibly partly or wholly due to a genetic trait amplified by inbreeding.. a trait attenuated for other ethic groups who interbreed.
Men have a flatter wider bell curve generally so we produce more geniuses, artists, scientists,… and more thickos. Women have a higher narrower bell curve so are more concentrated around the mean, thus fewer thickos and geniuses. Women are interesting enough that we can take them to the cinema etc and pretend to listen to them warble on before giving them an ugly baby or two before divorcing when they go off (women age like bread not wine).

Today I am mostly offensive. And my sprit animal is the skunk.

Having spent a great deal of time with Africans in Africa, including haggling with market traders, I can assure you that those IQ stats for Africa are nonsense.

It’s just more theory, more modelling.

As for lack of Chinese ability to innovate, you should take a look at Prof Joseph Needham’s multi-volume history of Chinese science if you get the time.

Indeed – there’s a tendency to view today as if it were all of history.

The Chinese don’t innovate for two reasons: 1 they don’t need to as their manufacturing industry makes a fortune from IP theft and 2 a society built on conformity will never be innovative.

But historically they are one of the world’s great innovators, certainly up until the late Middle Ages, so nothing “genetic” going on.

2 a society built on conformity will never be innovative.

I’m of Chinese ancestry and this is true.Their traditional education system is built around rote learning and this stifles all initiative and critical thought. Add in family pressure to keep people on the straight and narrow and hence why even their young are afraid to think for themselves and step out of line.

People can perform well in an IQ test but have no life skills, common sense or compassion. Or integrity or courage. I know which characteristics I value most. None of them could be encapsulated by a two or three digit number.

There are many women here who stand by you and contribute more to the sceptic effort (and indeed countless other worthwhile endeavours) than a thousand men combined. Strange that you should want to put them down, even if you are channelling your spirit skunk today.

Good choice on the skunk!

This isn’t a conspiracy. It’s a socialist revolution.

it’s the left wing ideology of collectivism coming back in a new form.

It’s the same group of people driving it: elites who know what’s best for others, university intellectuals, clergy, technocrats all supported by the unwashed masses.

Plenty of clever, well-educated people supported communism 60 years ago. Did they know about the gulags, the purges, the repression? Of course they did. They just justified it.

This is the same. The silicon valley elites genuinely believe this is all good because it will lead to a more perfect world driven by technology. The university intellectuals think capitalism has run amok, believe it causes evil like global warming and are happy to see it pushed back. You can’t make an omelette without breaking eggs, right?

The media is full of lefties. Politicians will just jump on whichever bandwagon takes them to the top. And the dumb braying masses will just follow whoever appears to be strongest.

Confinement, masks, endless rules and diktats – these aren’t means these are ends. It is the perfect manifestation of collectivist ideology.

They aren’t winning. They have already won.

Not yet they haven’t.

Nor can they win long-term, because we know their bankrupt ideology has been proven not to work so many times.

They haven’t won yet, but once the financial system moves fully digital and is linked to facial recognition and social credits, mankind will effectively be slaves to the elite.

People need to make a stand and get on with their lives now – not be bribed with Christmas – this is simply another psychological trick.

I notice that the “R”rse rate has stabilized here in the North East, amazing – hospitals are still empty and tumbleweed blows over barely used “testing” sites. Meanwhile “flu” has almost vanished as an autumnal illness and people still are unable to see a doctor or dentist.

The “Sage” group of highly paid and internationally sponsored boffins continue, with evermore ferocity, to lobby for further draconian measures on the private sector.

A year after Event 201 we really do have to look at Karl Schwab, the World Economic Forum etc. Boris Johnson was mouthing Great Reset platitudes in his conference speech: it was trailed by Prince Charles in June. I don’t really know whether those two gentleman understand what are they are talking about, but to their own devices these people are not going to make it alright, they are going enslave humanty in a Thousand Year Reich.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_EDV_7s7Dc&feature=emb_title&ab_channel=StandforHealthFreedom

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/message-of-hope-for-humanity/?utm_source=salsa&eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=78ee0021-8bed-43d4-8ae4-46c5a2259a06

The Great Reset is clearly underway – just don’t expect any resistance from the controlled media and journalists who rely on them to make a living.

If there are any journalists who don’t want to be tracked and chipped slaves they will have to speak out soon – sadly I think most are in on the scam – they haven’t exactly been critical on the brutal crackdown on lockdown sceptics around the world.

Obviously the FEAR FACTOR, worked in the beginning, but its dangerous to still be thinking its about a virus.

“‘Second Wave’ Has Claimed Lives of Just 17 People Under 40″
I have to say I don’t think this should be the headline.

It is wrong in so many ways.

It gives credence to the idea of a ‘second wave’

It gives credence to the idea of a continuing pandemic, whereas I think that the current covid death figures are those dying who have tested positive in the last 28 days. This is supported by the Euromomo data, which shows nothing unusual.

I actually think 17 people under 40 could be construed as quite a large figure, given what we know about the age distribution of this, Somebody might say :
” Well if 17 people have died, then how many over-75s are dying?”

Sorry for what may seem like nitpicking, but I mean to be constructive.

Having made those points, my great thanks to Toby and Will for all that you are doing in fighting the good fight, and to all of my fellow commenters at LS.

Friends, we will win this,

I agree. Each time we use these terms we tacitly validate them. This isn’t a second wave, 17 people died having tested positive for the Covid but that may not be the cause of death and I expect it is a perfectly normal number of deaths in that age range for that period.

Just had the first batch of papers “The Light” arrive to start delivering to local area.
Let’s see if they open a few eyes.

Wonderful, should get mine soon

I would like to get involved. Are you delivering to residences or cafes etc?

Delivering to both. Only got a few this time because that’s all that was left on the print run. We will be getting more soon.

My wife was contacted by Facebook group “power to the people UK”.

According to the paper distribution enquiries – lightdistribution@mailbox.org

Who are the people behind this paper? I’m interested in reading and distributing it around Stalag Wales (when people are allowed to crawl out of their burrows again) but want to be sure it’s from a reputable source.

Try this….
http://lightpaper.co.uk

Gulag please, not Stalag.
England has the Fascist junta.
Wales has the Stalinist Politburo.
Granted, totalitarianism always lands its victims in the same hell, whether they start from the left or the right.
But for the sake of accuracy…

Thought that Toby Young was finally moving away from the “it’s all a giant cock-up” explanation with his acknowledgement of Yeadon’s and Delingpole’s arguments but he then asks the question “who benefits” and all he can come up with is the makers of test kits and China?! Really? That’s it? No mention of Klaus Schwab and the WEF who have actually stated that they see Covid as an “opportunity”? No mention of the vaccine king, Bill Gates, whose donations are scattered far and wide to many of the players in this farce (WHO, Imperial College, BBC, etc…)? No mention of Big Parma who can turn their billion dollar industry into a trillion dollar industry with the prospect of the entire world’s population “needing” to be vaccinated at least annually?

Two possibilities

1. He wants to continue writing articles for the mainstream e.g. The Telegraph. And doesn’t want to be relegated like his mate James to the naughty step of the UK Spectator and no-man’s land aka Brietbart.
2. He’s wrong.

I like to think it’s option 1.

Probably

I also think it really doesn’t matter much at this stage

You forgot our friend sir Patrick, £800k of shares…..a conflict of interest…nah…ppffttt.

Even if people do not want to step off the ledge and join all of the dots at the very least sir Patrick and his soon to be bulging wallet needs to be shouted from the rooftops!!!

I took it to be a joke.

Those who believe it’s all down to incompetence need to explain why we are facing the implementation of a police state as the policy to cover up a panicked response to go into lockdown.
Gates is involved that much is obvious but this is beyond one man.I also feel it goes beyond the WEF as well.Why would well run nation States like Germany destroy themselves?

Want to DO something? Answer this Telegraph poll and send a message.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/10/29/take-survey-tell-us-think-governments-coronavirus-response/ ?

Come on, let’s load the survey with sceptics.

Everyone: CHARGE!!!!

Just had a quick look and will come back to it later. Unfortunately it is heavily loaded against sceptical responses.

there’s lots of free-text boxes though. Although be aware that they won’t accept many characters, even though it doesn’t tell you the limit, and the i’m not a robot at the end appeared half way up the screen for me, had to scroll about to find it.

I spent time filling it it but it wouldn’t submit, so wasted my time.

It’s got one of those “I am not a robot” things – I had to scroll half way up again to find this…

(Telegraph: crap GUI alert!)

If on a mobile, once you click enter, you have to scroll up to the middle of the page to click ‘i am not a robot’ for it to submit.

I doubt they’ll print any of my responses but it felt good to rant!

I enjoyed filling in the text boxes – it was cathartic. Questions were crap generally though.
Wancock got both barrels!

I told them I wanted to give Matt Hancock minus numbers but their scoring system didn’t allow it.

What examples of Wanksock’s idiocy did you cite for your reasons? I picked his claim that as malaria still existed, herd immunity wasn’t a thing

On 27 October 2020 Lord Sumption delivered the 2020 Cambridge Freshfields Lecture entitled “Government by decree – Covid-19 and the Constitution”. I hope many of you will have already seen this. https://youtu.be/amDv2gk8aa0

Here is some Covid news which probably won’t get much coverage on Radio 4. Covid ‘cases’ and Covid deaths declined in Ireland last week

It was the first dip in case numbers since early July – more than 25% down – i.e from 8,231 to 6,061.

Deaths were down by 22%. Down from 36 to 28.

This is by my count so don’t take what I say as gospel – I’d like my figures “peer reviewed”. I tot up weekly figures each Wednesday.

Ireland went into almost full blown lockdown I believe on the 21st. I don’t know if that could have impacted so soon on cases? – but I don’t see how it could curbed the numbers dying.

Should we take much note of one week’s figures? Sin é an ceist.

Add to that the fact hospitals are over 30% down on capacity over this time LAST YEAR

So PCR casedemic is even falling and hospitals are not overrun in any way.

It’s a scam. Has to be.

Can you give a link for that table please?

Go to Leo Varadkars twitter. He tweeted it. They basically have to have a campaign to get people to still come to hospital. You couldn’t make it up.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/top-uk-scientists-warn-many-or-all-covid-19-vaccine-projects-could-fail-first-gen

I don’t think this is about a vaccine primarily.It never was.

A successful vaccine, assuming one is possible or needed, would render unnecessary the instituted measures of social control.

These measure sare needed for the financial reset.

This financial reset seems to not include China.. directly.

China already has the necessary social control over its people.

China as the largest sovereign international creditor and largest holder of gold (including its people), is of course intimately concerned.

The vaccine is key because it leads to the digital/health passport.The spin is already out there that we will need regular shots.Gates talks about your vaccine history so implying more than one.
With the digital/heath passport comes the end of freedom.Already trialled in China and its the same ,only China’s gives you your social credit score

The shadowy Vaccine Centre based at the London School of H&TM (Imperial College’s usual suspects are enthusiastic members) wants the whole world population to be vaccinated for all diseases – maybe 500 vaccines plus in a lifetime if some are annual. They’re mad! Or very greedy.

Both..

It was always about the vaccines; it just didn’t need to be an effective or safe vaccine. It’s the same playbook as endlessly repeating lockdowns. If your first and second jab don’t work, it just means you surely require constant annual booster vaccines. A captured populace and constant repeat business for Big Pharma.
And if you don’t keep your immunity passport up to date, it becomes a passport to nowhere.
There is method in their madness.

Tracey Emin ravaged by cancer. Imagine if she had covid. People with cancer these days don’t know they were born. I’m sick of their selfishness and their tumors. There are cold cases, rising cold infections out there, people who mostly have no symptoms at all. Lifting weights. Working. Having sex twice in an hour. Stacking shelves. Shooting bolts through cows in abbatoirs. People with cancer – stop being so selfish!

We are being bribed with Christmas and conditioned to accept the new normal ‘or else’. If it wasn’t so detestably sinister it would be worth applauding for the brazen audacity of these cretins….Carrot or stick on a national scale!

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-tough-action-needed-now-170613958.html

And yet, the extent to which people care about Christmas gatherings shows how much we crave social contact. That is our ultimate hope, that at some point, human nature will impose itself and we will not stand for this madness any longer.

They don’t care about it very much if they can be bought off with one day a year.

My turkey is already on order, and it’s large.

I have ordered my box of two crackers.

Got ours and I don’t like Christmas.

Things have gone way beyond any question of our actual personal feelings about Christmas. Christmas is now a symbol and action of the resistance.
In fact we should maybe start Christmas tomorrow and keep it up, remorselessly, until all lockdown measures are officially lifted.

Will your butcher be expected to report people ordering suspiciously large turkeys?

Don’t give them ideas

Will vegetarians and vegans be exempt?

Always

Quite possibly, although luckily we always get our turkey from my mother in law’s local turkey farm which is about 150 miles from us. Hopefully it’ll be enough to throw track and trace off the scent!

Unless they implant some form of tracking device into it

Yes but what about the Turkey liberation front?

Government expects to launch a turkey vaccine any day. This will prevent turkeys from serving more than six people. This has been confirmed by The Science ™

Turkey for Christmas? How modern! It’s goose for us!

Pheasant over here (I have a friend who shoots). Pheasants and partridges make a good second crop for the farmers, and they put out grains and grow seed crops which also benefit the wild birds.

I noticed one local farmer who usually does Norfolk Bronze turkeys didn’t have any this year. More income lost.

I think it was mentioned here in the earlier comments, but a young man aged 19 has died of/with (we will never know) Covid here in N Ireland. They haven’t disclosed if he had any underlying health conditions, although I would be certain he would have had.
I dont want to undermine his death but I fear that that one statistic will be used through the media to scaremonger even more.

Do you remember Jimmy who went to get his frisbee from the power sub-station? We don’t seem to warn kids about those anymore. Maybe cos they are all too fat to climb the railings or welded to their playstations. Hula Hoops and breaksdancing arrived in Northern Ireland about the same time as covid so maybe the lad was trying to retrieve his frisbee?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KryOYburlFI

Edit – he was actually 17 and they have released an image and more information…..he had a condition called Cushing Syndrome…..quote ‘he had tested positive for Covid-19 last month and last week received a negative test result but had taken ill on Monday night’.
So it wasnt because of Covid!!! Fucking bastard media twisting headlines!

Where did you read that? Any links?

https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/belfast-news/aaron-doherty-tributes-pour-northern-19184064?fbclid=IwAR2fHRoic-tEGGZ-QOhga5KXLnKBGnFO3Ypn3KRdmHcdi3nkNDI7xDgwqIw

Releasing an image makes him a poster. I would come back and haunt any civil servant who made my image a poster for their cause. I am sorry for him.

Fully agree

I live in the town he was from and yes, it’s almost immediately being held up as you would a martyr. All the attention must be horrendous for the family. “Where are all the tin foilers now, thoughts and prayers” on social media. That sort of thing.

He was, it has been suggested, suffering from a condition that is more behavioural than physical I will say. So it’s unclear. He was a shielder as well, as they’ve been called.

So could well be a genuine case of death due to a respiratory virus. The other thing I’d been told was that he was waiting on a ventilator.

90% of people who have died in the NHS Trust are over 65 and 65% over 80. He was the first person under 40 to die. 1 person under 40 in an NHS ward covering 305,000 people.

Remember the headlines when a 9 year old “died of covid”? Turns out it was a 109 year old, some software couldn’t take a 3 digit input

Great news about Recovery – a heavyweight team. This is a test case for the BBC:

1. Will they report on it? I mean now, not in two months under some obscure heading.

2. Will they report on it positively as they do with BLM, XR and Rashford’s campaign?

3. Will they remain ideologically committed to Lockdownism and seek to destroy the campaign using all the ideological tools at their disposal: Reality Check, Disinformation Unit, collaborations with leftist media outlets like Buzzfeed and sneering “news” reports from non-journalists such as Mark Easton?

I think we can dismiss 2 out of hand but Recovery should put BBC, Sky and ITV on notice that they expect fair and reasonable treatment.

https://timeforrecovery.org/

Just joined up – thank you for the link.

ONS slipped in a little correction to the percentage increase of deaths that MSM salivated over:

28 October 2020 09:50
A correction has been made to the percentage change of deaths involving COVID-19. This has changed from 761 deaths involved the coronavirus (COVID-19), 287 deaths higher than in Week 41 (a 68.5% increase) to a 60.5% increase. We apologise for any inconvenience caused

So, the Office for National STATISTICS struggles with STATISTICS. Good to know.

Greetings from house arrest in south west France.
The expected news from Micron last night has not gone down well , especially with Mrs Peyrole, however a trip this morning to stock up the wine cellar has revived spirits a little. This afternoon its to Le Clerc to get the vitals before our new sentance begins.
Those face masks really did the job!

Out of interest, why is there so little fight back from the French? is it because so many are employed by the state? they seem to take to the streets quickly and in large numbers for a pay increase.

Can’t speak for Paris ( in particular) or large cities. In our area , which is quite rural with small towns and two small cities , in the first incarceration, people gradually started acting as normally as possibly quite quickly without making much noise about it. France , outside Paris, tends to act like France with the EU, it takes the good bits and tries hard to ignore the rest.Bars and restaurants closing is the worst aspect for most French. Schools will generally stay open, people tend to stay around their department anyway, working from home isn’t really applicable as most are farmers, local authority ( which covers all utilities), small retailers ( somehow most seem to be ‘necessary’), and a lot of self-employed or micro business operators, who tend to just keep going.
The problem the authorities/police have is that the rule of law prohibiting groups etc cannot enter people’s homes. Which is the main driver for the worst of the prohibitions regarding movements, like an hour at a time from your home etc. Given the number of vehicles parked outside houses in an evening in the first incarceration, I think many ignored it knowing that no-one could legally enter the home.I assume after the first week or so, the same will happen.
So its a passive fightback, until something happens that disturbs the important thing for a Frenchman; food, drink and sex. Then he will be on the streets, and that won’t be pretty.

Thanks for the update.

Have to be honest I find it pretty amazing how passive the French have been. On the plus side I have met several French people at anti-lockdown protests in London, so a few still value individual freedom over statism.

Bobby Ball: RIP.
died of complications of a chest infection but OF COURSE, HE WAS TESTED AND WAS POSITIVE FOR, ETC.

Just saw that story on the Independent too. No mention of comorbidities. So another that died with but not of covid.

Same old same old.

Bobby who?…. another celeb I have never heard of.

You would if you were old enough. Massive in the 1980s.

And very, very funny in “Not going out” as Lee Mack’s feckless father.

Cannon and Ball? Definitely of the 80s.

ROCK ON,TOMMY.

He had breathing difficulties and was rushed to hospital. All that has been released was a positive Covid test.

But the MO is Covid-19 whether you like it or not.

This virus is nasty and it does kill people in the BB age bracket.

This is what we are up against.

Crimes against comedy???

I thought he was very funny in “Not going out” as Lee Mack’s father.

If Klaus wants no ownership.. I can see how the banks could confisacate homes not yet paid for. But what about those who own their homes?

Down the line they will just take them anyway, after taking all the savings of anyone has has them. people probably “allowed” to remain in their own homes but will have to pay rent

These are the darkest fears. It has troubled me.

It is only his wish/vision. It is not what is happening or will happen.

I have spent time with these thoughts in my head and it’s not helpful. I’m not saying we shouldn’t be aware of this psychopathic Ideology, I just feel it is beneficial to concentrate our energies on what we can do, to make life how we want it to be.

We’ll said, CM! If we get mired in thoughts about the worst case scenarios we won’t be alert to opportunities to pre-empt them.

They still give up their ownership in return for being allowed out into the world.
And if they don’t, they get thrown into “quarantine facilities” and their property confiscated anyway.

I can’t see the majority of people going along with this, but if you’re meaningless, and the military and police are involved, it won’t matter.

Sign them over to your friendly government official in return for your freedom

The following article discusses aerosol transmission of the virus.

https://english.elpais.com/society/2020-10-28/a-room-a-bar-and-a-class-how-the-coronavirus-is-spread-through-the-air.html?ssm=TW_CC

The coronavirus is spread through the air, especially in indoor spaces. While it is not as infectious as measles, scientists now openly acknowledge the role played by the transmission of aerosols – tiny contagious particles exhaled by an infected person that remain suspended in the air of an indoor environment. How does the transmission work? And, more importantly, how can we stop it?

It starts with the following:

Six people get together in a private home, one of whom is infected. Some 31% of coronavirus outbreaks recorded in Spain are caused by this kind of gathering, mainly between family and friends.

Irrespective of whether safe distances are maintained, if the six people spend four hours together talking loudly, without wearing a face mask in a room with no ventilation, five will become infected, according to the scientific model explained in the methodology.

If face masks are worn, four people are at risk of infection. Masks alone will not prevent infection if the exposure is prolonged.

I’m happy to be corrected but this sounds like nonsense to me. This is the kind of analysis that results in half a person in the results so they round up or down to include or remove them. How does everyone wearing masks stop 1 person from getting infected? It’s like saying 5 people standing in the rain will get soaked to the skin but if they all wear raincoats their chances of getting soaked to the skin are reduced so only 4 of them will get wet.

You’re right that as stated it doesn’t make sense. What might have been said would be something like “on average five people … on average four people …” or “we would expect five people … four people …” or “it is most likely that five people … four people …” (these are not quite the same thing, but convey the sense).

Probably what it meant is something like “the chances for each of the other people of getting infected in this situation are close to 100% … 80% …”.

I don’t say that any of those are true, of course.

It’s another model that assumes an effect of masks.

What it won’t do is factor in the touching of masks, or the waving of them around when they are taken off – which will release whatever was on the inside.

Or that the one who is infected will be breathing back in their viral shedding caught in the mask into other areas of the respiratory system – increasing their viral load.

They never model the network effect of having actual humans operating these things.

I don’t know what, if any, the scientific basis of this article was supposed to be. But we need to distinguish between “modelling” and “observation”.

Additionally, the water from a virus-laden droplet caught by a mask will soon evaporate.

Given that masks are supposedly quite a congenial medium for viruses, the virus will just sit there waiting to either be inhaled deeply into the mask wearer’s lungs or projected into the room.

I would think that a handkerchief or disposable tissues might be a better approach to source control.

If you look at Carl Henegens piece from July it mentions the Norwegian Study. It basically makes the point that while studies suggest the masks are effective, unless you have everyone wearing them all the time everywhere (without mentioning risks) you may save 1 infection among 200,000 assuming 30% effectiveness. That’s at low prevelance levels.

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/masking-lack-of-evidence-with-politics/

There is an effect but its always just a ridiculous leap to then such a small effect will lead to the kind of lives saved some governments are claiming.

What if that one person who may have been protected from infection in the study you mention had taken it off at any point. Like to eat? Does that invalidate the claim if we are dealing with an infected environment?

The reason they have introduced them, save for control and compliance, is because its a low cost intervention in their eyes and sure it might work. No mass distribution scheme needed, make people buy their own. They fail to see the lunacy of such policymaking rigour and the trap it now has them in. Cases go up, it would have been worse.

That’s why I consider these kind of observations overly simplistic and not really illustrative of how things actually work in reality.

More footage of tumbleweed blowing through a test centre, flo-vested goon hyper angry at being the nothing filmed. All wrapped up in a short clip.

https://twitter.com/eva_angel9/status/1321726204190380033?s=20

This does rather beg the question as to where all these cases/test results are coming from?

It does rather look like something fishy is going on. Are they doing re-tests and counting that as an extra infection.
If there actually were/are 100000 +ve cases/tests per day but only 1000 going to hospital that would mean they have identified 99000 people who are so immune to Covid that they were asymptomtic or mild.
Am I being too simple with my maths? but that looks to me like they are saying that 90% of the population are immune to serious Covid, if so hurrah what are we worried about? keep calm and carry on!

https://www.gatesfoundation.org/How-We-Work/Quick-Links/Grants-Database/Grants/2020/05/INV-004356
HOW WE WORK
GRANT
BACKPrint
Imperial College London
Date: May 2020
Purpose: to develop a biodegradable contraceptive implant
Amount: $2,699,443
Term: 31
Topic: Family Planning
Program: Global Development
Grantee Location: London
Grantee Website: http://www.imperial.ac.uk

https://www.gatesfoundation.org/How-We-Work/Quick-Links/Grants-Database/Grants/2020/07/INV-016635
Imperial College London
Date: July 2020
Purpose: to evaluate the potential efficacy of a Ribonucleic acid (RNA) vaccine against COVID-19
Amount: $1,080,771
Term: 6
Topic: Discovery and Translational Sciences
Program: Global Health
Grantee Location: London
Grantee Website: http://www.imperial.ac.uk

https://www.gatesfoundation.org/How-We-Work/Quick-Links/Grants-Database/Grants/2020/06/INV-002657
Imperial College London
Date: June 2020
Purpose: to design and test population replacement integral gene drives in containment
Amount: $3,375,098
Term: 36
Topic: Malaria
Program: Global Health
Grantee Location: London
Grantee Website: http://www.imperial.ac.uk

Imperial College London gets a lot of research grant money from the Gates Foundation…
https://www.gatesfoundation.org/search#q/k=Imperial%20College&sort=rec

RNA vaccines are a new technology, which hasn’t been used before as far as I’m aware.
Imperial College are very good at pumping out Covid scare stories to keep the fear mongering going in the population and to put pressure on Boris. Today’s press release is that around 100,000 people a day are being infected. Does anyone know anyone who’s had it recently, or at all??
I wouldn’t now trust anything they come out with.

We haven’t had the virus and we don’t personally know of anyone who has had it.

Snap.

Huh.
My post, with links to the B&M G foundation, and grants to Imperial is “awaiting approval…”

A first post, or a post with lots of links always needs approval

Too many links in one post.
Happened to me as well.

Articles today. Same as a month or three ago. Same old same old on TalkRadio.. same old points here and everywhere.. The Groundhog Great Greta Davos Reset continues..

What else can we do?

At least with the current restrictions Greta has been grounded for the time being.

I’m sure she’d be given an exemption if she wanted one. Strange that we don’t hear from her much these days, almost as though the mission has been accomplished.

Can anyone tell me when the next protest will be in London? Or how I would find out?
Thanks in advance

I periodically check these websites:

https://saveourrights.uk/upcoming-events/
https://www.standupx.info/
https://www.stopnewnormal.net/

It looks like there’ll be something in Camden on 30 October and in Battersea Park on 17 November.

That’s brilliant, thank you mattghg

You’re welcome!

The latest NHS update published yesterday showed that just one person under the age of 20, and another 13 under 40, have died with coronavirus in English hospitals since the start of September.

And of course the crucial word here is WITH and not OF. And again, knowing what we know about the sheer inaccuracy of Covid testing even these figures are subject to the ‘rubbish’ factor.

We can see this, but others are completely blindsided by that fact.

Mark Drakeford interviewed on Wales Online.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politics/mark-drakeford-interview-rules-after-19182907

Interviewer: “Vietnam, a country of 93 million, has had 35 deaths in 2020. Wales has had 37 deaths announced just today. Why have some countries performed so much better than us?”
Drakeford: “Well, I think in some incidences it is culture isn’t it? It is the extent to which people are prepared to follow to the letter rules that government lay down. I have a feeling that there is a very different reaction in Wales to the non-sale of non-essential goods than there would have been in Vietnam. Because Vietnam is a society in which the government sets the rules and people stick by them. It is a different sort of society with a good deal more freedom and we expect, I think quite rightly, to live our lives without interference as much as possible and that brings risks with it but that also brings huge rewards.”

So Drakeford would prefer it if Wales was more like Vietnam, does he?

From Wikipedia:
[Vietnam] nevertheless faces challenges including corruption, pollution, poverty, inadequate social welfare and a poor human rights record, including increasing persecution of religious groups and human rights advocates and intensifying restrictions on civil liberties.

shooting fish in a barrel… increasingly these totalitarians actually shoot themselves in the barrel

“ Because Vietnam is a society in which the government sets the rules and people stick by them”

That’s because it is a brutal communist dictatorship and not a Free Society like ours.

Presumably we’d like to keep the Free Society bit.

But then you have those awful laws like Human Rights that the Government (pre Covid) is bound by.

Dungford wouldn’t.

That has to be one of the most scandalous and uneducated statements a politician could make. That is legitimate cancelling material if there ever was such a thing.

When it comes to scandalous comments, there’s some tough competition at the moment

In the Economist Intelligence Unit’s Democracy Index , Vietnam is 136th out of 167 countries and falls into their ‘Authoritarian’ category.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/01/22/global-democracy-has-another-bad-year

Barminess all round : Interviewer here assuming that you can make simplistic comparisons between countries with different population, climate and other variables.

That’s possibly the most asinine comment I’ve heard from a politician and it betrays what he really wants and thinks of the populace.

This should be circulated widely to expose this man for what he truly is just as “Bigot-gate” exposed Gordon Brown and Labour what they truly thought of their voters. And I won’t be surprised that once this shit show is over there will be a campaign to abolish the Assembly.

Please do. That’s why I’m posting it here. I don’t do social media, but everyone – please circulate, circulate, circulate.

There already is a campaign to abolish the assembly.

https://www.itv.com/news/wales/2020-06-24/senedd-abolish-assembly-gareth-bennett

They love it, don’t they, the thought of all the little people obeying, without question.

Politicians talk about “following the science” and then come out with these unevidenced just-so stories on the hoof SMH.

What an idiot. Vietnam is not doing well because of government saving people. Jesus.

Exactly like Dungford’s Wales, then.

“ If the productive sector goes under, or suffers a massive contraction, many of the leeches will die when the money machine runs low on readies. This has not sunk in yet. “

It won’t sink in, because it simply isn’t true. Regrettably the “sound money” brigade haven’t yet come to terms with how a modern money economy works – despite decades of evidence that their beliefs do not conform to reality.

If the private sector shrinks, that means *more* capacity available to the public sector not less – as there are more people who can be hired to work on public projects (including replacing failed private output if required). All without touching taxes one bit. They then spend in the shops which keeps the actual productive sector going. Tesco’s cash registers don’t differentiate between money earned in the public sector, or money earned in the private sector. They take both and consider them equal.That then gets paid to Tesco employees, who get to keep their jobs.

And as we have seen throughout this crisis, we can keep the shops stocked quite happily with an awful lot of the so-called “productive sector” at home on furlough – which shows they weren’t actually that productive in the first place. Nobody is going to go hungry because we have less advertising, PR and marketing in the world. None of that activity is vital to feeding, clothing and housing the nation.

The trick is to manage the transition in such a way that when the private sector gets its mojo back (or is allowed to get its mojo back) it can hire the labour it needs away from the public sector at a reasonable price. And the way to do that is to make sure that the default wage is the living wage.

No 80% of pay – £10 per hour flat.

I would dispute your claim that workers being furloughed demonstrates that they were not very productive at all.

They were not productive in directly feeding and clothing the nation, but human life is not merely the pursuit of feeding and clothing oneself. That is just an existence, and a poor one at that.

The claim is that the productive sector props up the public sector and without it the public sector cannot operate. That isn’t the case. The productive sector is what we need to live.

The rest of the private sector is what we *want*, but we can do without for short periods if we need to. Those are the ones that were furloughed. That private sector can come and go as required. And should do to improve productivity.

The private sector is doing more going than coming at the moment, and may take decades to come back. I really cannot see how that can be considered helpful, on balance.

You’ll be surprised how fast the private sector can come back. Have faith in the entrepreneurship of this country.

It took decades after WW2

Tell that to people who have lost their jobs, businesses and who will lose their benefits and services when spending cuts come in, and tell that to people who have to pay more tax, and to sectors like public transport that will suffer from decades of underinvestment.

People who have lost their jobs would get a £10 per hour one immediately. Benefits and spending need not be cut because there is no reason to. More tax is unnecessary as there is no competition for resources. Investment can increase as there are more people spare to do the work.

See how you have the mantra backwards. Clearly the limit is what is available for sale in sterling, nothing else.

Try looking at things that way.

Exactly. Who chooses what people should spend their time doing, what is “productive” and what is not?

We can do without nail bars and survive, but people who work in nail bars and people who use them obviously find the interaction beneficial. Who are we to tell them how to spend their time?

Nobody is telling them how to spend their time, they are very welcome to do so. And they will close if nobody turns up to buy their output – as is the case at the moment.

What we don’t do is use public money to prop them up because “what about the jobs”. Businesses should right size at the moment, bide their time and come back stronger when this nonsense is over. Assuming we want an operational capitalist system, rather than a pretend one.

Ah but the government is doing exactly that – deciding what is essential and what is not. Whole sectors are going west.

I don’t believe, generally, in bailouts. But given that the government has screwed these businesses, I guess they ought to be helped. The correct solution is to end the restrictions and get back to normal, with extra help for those businesses most directly screwed by this.

Government is doing what the population apparently wants doing. Business has to conform to that.

And when we get back to normal business will bounce back. Business is a risky game. Don’t get into it if you can’t take the rough with the smooth.

It isn’t simply the case that people aren’t turning up to buy their output through free choice though. They aren’t free to spend their time how they wish at all.

Governments are placing heavy burdens and restrictions on these businesses, and on the public. They are not able to operate due to government interference which is the very opposite to capitalism.

The government is doing what the people want doing – as the polls show.

Business is servant not master, and has to adapt to this situation. As it will rebound when, hopefully, the insanity passes.

The government cannot do what ‘the people’ want, as ‘the people’ do not exist. Society is a collection of individuals and families, each with different wants and needs.

If we actually had a capitalist system, free from this overbearing government interference, it would determine more accurately what ‘the people’ want. You would not see the complete decimation of certain sectors as we see now, downturns perhaps.

Well – simple-minded economics sure ain’t going to solve any problems, any more than lock-ups.

Don’t engage in simple minded economics then. Learn how monetary operations actually work in the real world.

Then you’ll understand why what I say is the case – as Japan has been demonstrating for 30 years or more.

Otherwise “the other side” will run rings around you.

Anybody who says “we can’t afford X” will now be laughed at – and rightly so. Instead say “where are you going to get the people to do X”.

Japan has only managed to that because until relatively recently it could export to the rest of the world which was not doing that.

Japan is of course literally a dying society, with so few children being born.

And the US for the last ten years – a net importer. And us for the last ten years – a net importer.

What I say explains all three. What you say doesn’t. What’s Occam’s razor?

Of course fuloughed workers were productive.

It is the buyer of a good or service who decides whether a seller was productive or not by choosing to buy or not to buy.

My decision to buy means that from my point of view the seller was productive.

Correct. And the decision of lots of people not to buy causes them to close.

But we stopped that by paying 80% of wages. Why?

If the alternative job was available business could have resized their workforce to that required by the new normal – until things changed back again.

How about the evidence that printing money leads first to inflation then at the rate we will have to,to hyper inflation.Inter war Germany and Zimbabwe spring to mind.
Monetary policy somewhere along the line must keep in check with reality.

Germany owed in Gold. Zimbabwe gave their land to people who can’t farm.

Is either of that the case in the UK?

In which case you may have misunderstood what causes hyperinflation.

Bad pilots crashing planes does not mean heavier than air flight is impossible.

Hyperinflation in Germany was directly a result of the Reichsbank printing money to pay people who weren’t working – the striking workers protesting French and Belgian occupation of the Ruhr -ie subsidising consumption, although production had been reduced.

That should sound familiar, because it is exactly what has been happening this year.

It was because they lost their productive capacity and had to pay reparations in Gold.

In other words they had debt in a foreign currency. The UK doesn’t.

You’re comparing apples and pears I’m afraid. In the UK sterling can’t go anywhere else.

Anyway, for historians, you will recall that the French and Belgian armies then retaliated after the German default and took over the industrial area of the Ruhr – Germany’s mining and manufacturing heartland. The Germans, in turn, stopped work and production ground to a halt. The Germans kept paying the workers in local currency despite limited production being possible and you can imagine that nominal demand quickly started to rise relative to real output which was grinding to a halt. The crunch came when the export trade stalled and the only way the German Government could keep paying their treaty obligations etc was to keep spending. The inflation followed.

We’re not seeing that because, funnily enough, the high level of saving in sterling is more than offsetting the loss of output. In fact the two are congruent.

It is precisely because the UK has its debts in its own currency that hyperinflation is the line of least resistance.
If your debt is in gold or in foreign currency then hyperinflation brings you no debt relief

Sure,Weimar Germany had its external debts in gold, which made hyperinflation exactly useless in reducing the real value of that debt.

Your point about German productive capacity is exactly the point I was making.That productive capacity had been lost in the Ruhr as a result of the strike action of the workers which had been called for by the Berlin government. The central bank then printed money to subsidise the the consumption of the workers.

Net result: production greatly reduced + subsidised consumption = hyperinflation

The UK’s debts are in Sterling. the US has its debt in dollars, the Eurozone countries have their debt in Euros.Japan has its debt in Yen.

Hyperinflation or an equivalent currency reform suits them all.

Hyperinflation, or a currency reform with the same effect, is the inevitable outcome of all this -and it will be global.

The total value of all claims on capital plus the total value of all the claims on the goods and services produced by the capital, far exceeds the ability of the physical plane to produce.

The monetary plane and the physical plane must be reconciled.

Why now?

Because yields on investments are at all-time lows (negative interest rates), just as tens of millions of boomers are retiring or about to retire. If those boomers cannot live off the yields, then principal will have to be liquidated.

The bond markets of the developed world have been nationalized by the central banks to buy time and delay the inevitable.They are not real markets any more.The central banks are the bond market. The interest rate thermometer – the most important price signal in capitalism- has been disabled.

The central planners could attempt to head off hyperinflation by introducing price controls or perhaps controls on how much people can spend per day.The result of that would be a Soviet style collapse of production.

In my opinion, current events have given the central planners the beginnings of the social controls they will need to attempt to deal with the situation.

They will of course fail.

Did you ever get around to answering the question here the other day from the treasury accountancy chap about how your magic money tree economics would interact with exchange?

So we won’t go hungry at least. Is that what the promise is here?

Just incase anyone is unsure about the restrictions in Scotland i’ve provided a helpful naming convention:-

Tier 0 – shit
Tier 1 – shitty
Tier 2 – shitter
Tier 3 – Shittier
Tier 4 – Shittest

Maybe you should send that to the idiots in Holyrood as they seem not to have a clue about their own insane policies.

Tier 5 – Most Shittiest
Tier 6 – Wall to wall shit
Tier 7 – Total Shit

I really hope we don’t get to tier 7 but wouldn’t put anything past them at his rate.

Piers Morgan:”I’ve been threatened by covidiots because I’m calling for a national lockdown”
AR, DIDDUMS.

Nothing stopping him doing a personal lockdown is there?

WELL SAID.

He loves the limelight just a bit too much.

It would be for the good of the nation if this odious man locked himself away for ever. The only good thing he ever did was produce a sceptic son.

Was talking about him to my bf earlier. I really think he’s one of the most despicable actors in this crisis. There’s something very cynical about the way he’s gone about it – I feel as if he’s sensed that the UK is now just a health service with a country attached to it and he’s buying into the NHS false idol rubbish for popularity. I don’t think he’s an unintelligent man so I refuse to believe that he cannot understand the context behind the alarmist figures he retweets, or the fact that lockdown policies require a cost-benefit analysis.

The one crumb of comfort I have is that because he airs his views online, the internet will bear witness to how he has been complicit and even contributed to the deaths and misery of millions with his misinformation and scaremongering.

He’ll have been given a script, which will include the usual inconsistencies, u-turns, and self-contradictions.

Seems fair. You call for people to be put under house arrest, they threaten you back. What do you expect to happen when you try to have people incarcerated against their will and without having done anything wrong?

I thought he said he was fed up with being hated. He’s not helping himself is he!!

Piers Morgan:”I’ve been threatened by covidiots because I’m calling for a national lockdown”

Well Piers, by calling for a national lockdown you’re threatening the livelihoods of millions of people, you fucking prick.

Not quite sure this is what he meant ..

I know repetition can get boring. But, in connection with the lead item (about the non-catastrophe), it really does need saying again that the classification of deaths by attribution to Covid is totally shot, and is still based as much on surmise as diagnosis.

This is a result of three mis-attribution factors :

• the use of the PCR test which, even if accurate (big ‘if’) in diagnosing a significant SARs-CoV-2 infection, does not actually indicate cause of death.
• the commonality of symptoms with other respiratory disease
• our old friend – buggered registration procedures.

We know something significant happened in April to cause the unusual mortality spike. It is now fairly clear that the ‘dry tinder’ effect was a major factor influencing the figures and showing a marked age bias. But how much might be attributed to SARS is still pure speculation. Since then, the speculation has increased as we see a pretty normal autumn rise.

I can only wonder if the mortality spike was falsified death certificates. My neighbours friend got kicked in the head with her horse and sadly died in April and she said the family were outraged they put Covid on the death cert even though she had not been tested. I’ve heard other stories like this…….how and when will this all come out??

“ I know repetition can get boring. “

Boring, but sadly necessary, when the essence of the panicker communication is heavy, endlessly repetitive propaganda.

See BobT’s post from earlier re. the clearing of hospitals in March. It’s clear to me this was at least a major contributor.

Clearing of hospitals + Lockdown + (something we are calling ‘covid-19’) = rise in death rate.

Precise contributions of each factor yet to be determined.

I doubt there is total reliance on PCR tests. It’s possible to use other means to cross reference numbers – if not individual deaths.

For example, the Male:Female Covid death ratio differs significantly from ‘normal’ death ratio. I’ve actually used this to show that it is possible that in some recent Covid recorded death cases, a PCR positive test was simply coincidental. .
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My GP surgery rang me yesterday telling me that there was a delay in them getting the flu vaccines for under 65 year olds and wanted to make an appointment for me for the end of November when they hope to have them in. I haven’t had the flu vaccine in a few years because my asthma was so mild and was told I didn’t need it anymore. Now they say I need it in case I get Covid and the flu together.
I normally wouldn’t mind getting the flu vaccine, I am not entirely anti-vaccine (although wouldn’t take the Covid one if they paid me). I can’t help but be paranoid about getting the regular flu jab this year. Has anyone else here had it?

My wide had to have it as part of her job (NHS). She hasn’t died…yet.

I don’t have the flu vaccine as I don’t get the flu. I certainly will not be having the Covid vaccine either, but they are my opinions and shouldn’t deter you from making up your own mind. As you suffer with asthma you need to speak with other asthma sufferers to help you decide.

You are extremely lucky not to have the flu, believe me, BD.
Had it twice and that’s 3 times too many.
I have had flu jabs for 11 years now and yes, sometimes I have had a slight bad reaction but on the whole I and my wife have been fine.

So far this year I haven’t even had a cold and the weird thing is my annual hay-fever was hardly noticeable! I spoke to a friend whose husband usually suffers with hay-fever and she said he hadn’t suffered much either!

Yes, I know I’m tempting fate, but both myself and my wife have gone several months without a cold.

The recorded message that you have to listen to every time we ring our doctors which drones on and on as if we were 5 years old says “if you don’t hear about your flu jab by the middle of October, please contact us”
We have decided to leave it to the end of the month to ask what the situation is?
Perhaps our jab like yours will be at the end of November.

Try a Pharmacy, they can do it on the ONHS.

Both had flu jab a month ago (at Pharmacy) no problems other than feeling a bit off colour for about 24 hours three days later. I have seasonal asthma which is the reason for having it, like you not anti vax but definitely anti rushed vax.

I have asthma and COPD but don’t take the annual offer of a flu vaccine and have never had flu but everyone has to make their own decision.

My work colleagues, who get the jab, seem to get more colds and coughs through the winter than I do. They also report everything from sore arms to flu-like symptoms immediately afterwards.

So I always ignore the blaring corporate propaganda (they even wheel a nurse into the office!) and decline it. I just cant see the benefit – apart from to the people who make it.

I have found that vitamins C,D and zinc serve me well. Even my Covid infection over Xmas cleared up after a couple of days and I was back at work again on the 27th

Ditto. My colleagues line up every yer to get jabbed then proceed to cough and splutter around the office on and off for the next couple of weeks. Regardless of a high flu shot uptake the office is always full of illness at this time of year. Strangely I rarely get cold/flu and never have the jab!

That being said my farther had the jab last year and had severe problems with his arm (into which he had the shot); muscle weakness, loss of grip strength etc. That lasted until April this year. Unfortunately he is so indoctrinated he will likely get it again this year…I have long since given up trying to dissuade him.

My mum (91) still has pain in her arm following her flu vax. 10 days now and counting.

Thank you for replies everyone x

Yes, I had it I am 56 but the carer for my elderly mother who has dementia. Having had the flu shot for the last 10 years, I also got a text from my GP saying due to Covid, under 65’s wouldn’t be getting one until November at the earliest.

On that basis, I went to Tesco, booked one, told them I usually get one as am my Mum’s carer. Was given the shot in mid September no problem. Ironically,the day I had it done, I got another text from my GP saying that I should now book a flu shot!

Had no reaction to it, not even a sore arm and neither did my Mother.

I’ve had it. I’m a 22 year old female. I had it last year as well and both times I’ve never had any problems or side effects.

Asthma: Symptoms, Causes and Natural Support Strategies
https://drjockers.com/asthma/

The Lockdown Sceptics blog continues to risk its credibility by ‘jumping the gun’, i.e. it uses single point ‘evidence’ in a fast evolving situation. Two items make this same mistake.

A few weeks ago, LS was convinced there would be no second wave. Now it seems to grudgingly accept that there is a ‘second wave’ but it has only caused 17 deaths in the under 40s. This is the number – to date. The 7 day rolling average of deaths is increasing at around 40% . Hospital Covid admissions (and I mean ADMISSIONS) are increasing at a similar rate. We don’t know if this will continue but it it’s unlikely to slow down much for a couple of months at least. That could result in a 20-fold increase in hospital & fatality numbers.

LS makes a similar mistake with the Sweden v Rest of Europe comparison. Sweden has tended to lag behind other countries in Europe. Sweden may seem fine at the moment but cases are increasing – and that’s how it starts. If hospitals admissions and deaths follow case numbers in a few weeks they could have problems.

LS needs ditch the ‘head in the sand’ denials and start making the case that lockdowns are not the way forward – regardless of the rate of infections.

No-one (apart from, perhaps, Mike Yeadon) is buying into the “no need to worry – we’re close to herd immunity” BS. We’re not. Even Sunetra Gupta has shifted from that position and is now focusing on a strategy which might achieve herd immunity with minimal damage. All credit to her.

Our friend from the 77th is back

People seem to think they should feed it.

Mayo – you talk utter nonsense. See the journalism above, there are still 10 causes of death greater than COVID. Sweden is currently seeing no significant variation in death rate from previous years. COVID isn’t that big of a deal, however much you want to believe that it is.

Ok – you don’t get it. The situation at the moment may be different in 3 or 4 weeks time in the UK – and in Sweden. Assume it could happen and be prepared.

If no herd immunity, then how did Covid fizzle out in the spring?

And how many of the “cases” now are actually ill and not false +ve’s?

Just asking.

See how confusing it is when you refuse to set up your own identity here?

SUMMER came along.

Fair points, but there is a problem with always reserving judgement, which is that the alarmists get to make their propaganda points, achieve their policy goals and move on to the next point while the sensible types are still withholding judgement. By the time the evidence is in, it’s moot, the damage is done.

To some extent, you can only fight alarmism with similarly quick-fire responses.

As so often in life, the bad coin drives out the good.

Credibility is important.

I can hear somebody shouting the word ADMISSIONS. Does that mean somebody is almost ready to admit they were wrong?

Wrong about what? I acknowledge some cases who test positive are already in hospital. It’s common knowledge.

Would there be a second wave without PCR tests being abused the way they are?

Hospital ADMISSIONS any different to previous years? How many have Covid on arrival? How many actually catch the virus in hospital itself? If hospitals are in the red, to what extent is that driven by resource issues? In Northern Ireland we have 2700 NHS staff isolating.

How many deaths are of Covid and not just with Covid in the last 28 days?

Sorry, but the sceptics view is punching holes in the official narrative but with the understanding that this is a travesty of data analysis. Even then, there is a lot to counter the government’s fear machine on. Especially when it comes to hospital data and the casedemic.

Euromomo shows no evidence of a second wave.

Well it’s easy to call something a second wave when you haven’t given any criteria by which something would qualify as such e.g. volume of deaths, rate of infection, recovery rates, excess deaths, virus mutation. Simple question. What is the clear factual distinction which determines the difference between a second wave and simple virus seasonality or even an extended first wave?

Total weekly deaths from all causes at this time of year seems to be on par with previous years – unfortunately the elderly and frail will always die and fortunately lots of babies will be born – such is the circle of life.

Its only PCR testing that is creating the flap…

This “Second wave” nonsense has been promoted almost from the very beginning to terrify the plebs by suggesting Covid was going to cause a similar amount of deaths to the Spanish Flu. For some reason (perhaps since we had no lockdowns, masks or other tomfoolery) the far comparable Asian Flu of 1957 or Hong Kong Flu of 1968 seem to have been completely forgotten. All we are seeing is the normal seasonal resurgence of a respiratory illness.

You are completely wrong about Sweden. They have got caught up a bit in the increased testing lark. But that is all. No increasing deaths. Look at Belarus. No increase in deaths.
Look at Serbia; increased testing leading to increased ‘cases’. But no spike in deaths.
Look at Japan; it never was a high consequence illness and still isn’t.
S Korea; negligible deaths throughout (though a hypermanic T and T). All countries who never had or then eschewed lockdowns. This is the real world evidence.
UK, France, Italy, Spain, Germany, the US etc etc, simply have an intentional testdemic.

The ultimate folly (except it isn’t unintentional folly) is Moonshot.

If we had transparency regarding primary cause of death, we would see just how few Covid deaths were actually Covid deaths.

Look at the illness stages:-

1. Stage I: The early infection or viral response phase during which symptoms of upper respiratory tract infection dominate.
2. Stage II: The pulmonary phase when the patients develop full-blown pneumonia with all its associated symptoms.
3. Stage III: The hyperinflammation phase when patients develop acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS), sepsis, and kidney and other organ failures.

I don’t believe that Stage 3 is happening at all and Stage 2 is rare.
If their were droves of patients experiencing the hyperinflammatory stage, we would be constantly be regaled by lurid accounts of it.

I’m not completely wrong. I said it’s too early to make a call. on Sweden.

I agree with you somewhat. My main point of view has not been to deny the severity of the virus or the fact that there are people suffering and dying from it, but that lockdowns are not a suitable strategy for dealing with the virus, given how much collateral damage they cause and how they don’t actually make it go away, they just kick the can down the road.

We had a big spike back in March/April, and the scientists must surely have known that winter + a novel virus = possible trouble. They’ve had 6 months to scale up hospital capacity and come up with pragmatic solutions that aim to minimise destruction from the virus while trying to keep everything else as normal as possible. We should not keep having to go into lockdown because it’s damaging, causes more non-Covid deaths, and doesn’t actually make the virus go away. Our leaders are also giving us no hope, no exit strategy, no evidence or rationale for their decisions. It’s just house arrest by diktat. It’s doing something just to be seeing to doing something. That’s my issue.

I do take your point, Mayo, that if we focus on the argument that lockdown will never lead us out of this (whatever our views about what is driving the situation) then the statistics become irrelevant, unless we suddenly find ourselves with an CFR of 25% across all age-groups, for instance.

Hospital Covid admissions (and I mean ADMISSIONS) are increasing at a similar rate.

Complete and utter BOLLOCKS! Admissions figures are fiddled, just like all the others!

https://lockdownsceptics.org/2020/10/15/#how-many-hospital-cases-are-really-covid

A top NHS doctor and regulator contributor to Lockdown Sceptics has written a short note for us on the Government’s incomplete and misleading data on hospital admissions .

An eagle-eyed reader in the comments yesterday noticed that the number of ‘patients admitted with Covid’ is the total of the number of patients admitted with a positive test on admission, and the number of patients who tested positive after a number of days in hospital.

That eagle-eyed reader was me . My post: https://lockdownsceptics.org/2020/10/14/latest-news-162/#comment-186272

The doctor continues:

On admission all patients are swabbed for Covid even if they have no symptoms and they are not likely to either. If the swab then comes back as positive, they are then listed in the Covid admission column. You can clearly see the problem with this, in that a whole load of patients who have no Covid symptoms, never develop any and are in hospital for totally different issues are classified in the Government stats as Covid admissions.

Whilst in hospital, all patients are routinely swabbed at regular intervals. So, a patient can be admitted for example after a minor stroke. Swabbed on arrival – swab negative. During the stay in hospital, the patient will be swabbed every few days. Suddenly on, say, day eight, a swab comes back positive. Patient added to the Covid admissions column despite not having any symptoms and having contracted the infection while in hospital.

“Monkey see, monkey do.”

That just about sums up Johnson and his globalist-shill regime.

And we thought the UK had dodged a bullet by avoiding Corbyn…

As usual with your posts, I tend to find myself mostly in agreement with them anyway, so I don’t bother commenting. You tend a little more to the conspiracist than I do, but often it seems a matter of nuance rather than substance. Though I would tend to avoid the term “shill”, as a bit naff. (Bit of an autology, naff, I know).

Are you still determined not to bother creating your own identity, here?

I think Corbyn has principles Bozo doesn’t.

Plymouth you are Going Down

Local Live
‘Plymouth Council Bosses send message to Coronovirus deniers that city faces Tier 2 prospect.

‘While most people are sensible and do favour effective measures to control the virus some seem to deny the existence of the virus at all.
Our Public Health team is made up of people who have expertise and understanding. We trust them absolutely and so should you.

‘Coronovirus misinformation has been rife in our comments sections. . . we try to hide the most misleading comments. However the last few days it’s been hard to keep up.

‘We’ve had people expressing that our rate per 100,000 is lower than other places going into Tier 2 . . . but this figure is rapidly growing and we expect to go into Tier 2 within days.’

I believe its profitable to be in the higher tiers, do you know if its true?

Tier 2 seems to be the worst place to be, economy partly closed but not much, if any, subsidy from HMG.

Same threat for Bournemouth too.

Is it? Idiots. The homeless here seemed to get on fine with Covid.

Openly admitting to censorship I see

So many Sceptics they can’t keep them all down it seems.

Home of UK column I think

Our county council actually asked to go into Tier 2 … and the central government said no! (Thank God).

Probably see it as the route to Tier 3 with all that compo for new cycle lanes.

Old joke:

MASOCHIST: Hit me!
SADIST: No!

The –ukcity–live group are a fully paid up member of propaganda r us. Across the nation local news is being written that not only diseminates government information – from story conception, they also are more than happy to leader the name calling and smearing of anyone who questions sensibly.

They have been briefed.

Have a few moments look into some of the ——live writers, click their names pull up their google search results. In edinburghlive we have a 27 years food critic writing about so called covid deniers such asthe extremely reasonable and well qualified Delores Cahill. This 27 year old was jobless in winter this year – stress and mental health issues. She has horrible blogs elsewhere talking about masturbation or sex toys or similar – she goes in for queer theory and men with periods -seems to see herself as a latter-day sex in the city type.

Really useful to look into who the names are. Aside from the being loaded with bbc embeds Local Decocracy Reporters – bbc funded staff in offices across tge nation of —-live.

I think most of us realise that, I’m just repeating what is being reported; it’s easy to read between the lines.

I got bored with adding
(mirror group news) because everyone knows including my predictive text.

Dr Mike Yeadon has categorically stated and explained why viruses to do not behave as waves. He has stated clearly that there is no ‘second wave’. So have other eminent scientists. But SAGE, in particular, Patrick Valance continue to talk up the ‘second wave’. So do all the MSM, all of them helpfully parroting the government and scientists lingo of ‘second wave more dangerous than the first etc.

Yeadon and Ivor Cummins say the pandemic is over. Yeadon says that he and Valance had similar education and training worked together while studying and if he (Yeadon) knows it’s a scam, then Valance definitely does too.

So why is Valance lying? And why does Johnson not know or even suspect this or what Valance’s motives could be? (Hint: Valance was a director of GSK and still holds approx £600K of shares and if GSK succeed in making a vaccine, they and Valance would make a fortune).