2020-10-29

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213231 john, replying to john, 9, #1 of 2222 🔗

Good morning world!

214361 ▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to john, 1, #2 of 2222 🔗

Dear Toby

Suicides on the Rise due to Lockdown

The launch of Recovery For Hope For Balance – Emma Kenny ITV This Morning Psychologist & Presenter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFezwz9oz6I

215222 ▶▶▶ paologrigio, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #3 of 2222 🔗

It’s heartbreaking isn’t it?

214417 ▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to john, 6, #4 of 2222 🔗

Dr Mike Yeadon Former CSO & VP Allergy Respiratory Research Pfizer Global R&D 29th Oct 2020
explain there are not excess deaths – the pandemic is over

must watch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y51GICqL9E

215039 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #5 of 2222 🔗
214604 ▶▶ PWL, replying to john, 6, #6 of 2222 🔗

But the trouble is, the “died with coronavirus” in the Mail article is horse crap. In fact, so is the assertion that Covid-19 is not a young person’s disease. Young people can get respiratory illnessess, Covid-19 amongst them – but Covid-19, or SARS as I might as well call it, is very rare, and I doubt even less than twenty have died from it in the “second wave” (look at how we affirm that piece of nonsense); what young people don’t usually suffer from is the general death of old people, now labelled “Covid-19” via an utterly discredited test.

“Covid-19” is a hoax. Unless lots of people are brought to understand it as such, it will never end.

Covid-19 in a nutshell

213232 Judy Watson, replying to Judy Watson, 6, #7 of 2222 🔗

Good morning everyone
Now I can read the post1

213233 ▶▶ ColoradoGirl, replying to Judy Watson, 1, #8 of 2222 🔗

Good morning to you!

213234 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Judy Watson, 1, #9 of 2222 🔗

Good morning, All. 🙂

213384 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Judy Watson, 1, #10 of 2222 🔗

Morning all!!!!

213235 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 42, #11 of 2222 🔗

Covid-19: Nearly 100,000 catching virus every day
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54723962

More Imperial bollocks from their favourite BBC shill, James Gallagher.

Current 7 day death rate (by date of death) is around 160-170.

I would have thought that, with 100,000 a day catching it, the streets would be strewn with bodies.

All those who heard JHB on TalkRadio talking to Paul Elliott will know this is just more Bill Gates funded bullshit by Imperial.

213261 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Ceriain, 74, #12 of 2222 🔗

Or, to put it another way, if 100,000 are catching it every day, almost everyone is asymptomatic and the mortality rate is practically zero. And it’s a non-event.

213264 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 14, #13 of 2222 🔗

Top of the class, Mr Nomad! 😀

213549 ▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Ceriain, -21, #14 of 2222 🔗

There’s a lag between infections and deaths, which is important when numbers are rising (or falling, come to that). We’re currently seeing about 300 deaths a day (PHE figure) and infections three weeks ago were about 17,000 per day (ONS data). On that basis we’re seeing IFR of 2%. I realise that these are the PHE numbers, of course. The ONS figures take longer, so looking back two week we had roughly 100 deaths a day and the infection rate three weeks prior to that was about 6,000 per day. That’s an IFR of about 1.6%.

On that basis, 100,000 infections a day today suggests a death rate in the range 1,500 to 2,000 in three weeks time. Not so reassuring.

213583 ▶▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Richard Pinch, 18, #15 of 2222 🔗

Try looking at Sweden.

213611 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Kevin 2, -17, #16 of 2222 🔗

I’m talking about the UK/England figures. I don’t have easy access to the corresponding figures for Sweden but if you do, please present them.

214605 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ LS99, replying to Kevin 2, 2, #18 of 2222 🔗

Precisely.

213991 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Richard Pinch, 6, #19 of 2222 🔗

Trouble is the 17k/day is the positive tests in the general population (at peak return to colleges point) and the counted deaths are in a narrower population at risk from a seasonal respiratory disease largely in care or hospital settings (with questions about counting criteria). It is wrong to merge these data and link these populations sequentially. There is no case for saying the IFR has increased.

214023 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, -7, #20 of 2222 🔗

I’m aware of the difference between the PHE and the ONS figures, which is exactly why I went to the trouble of giving both sets. You’ll also notice that I didn’t the IFR has increased, I simply presented two alternative calculations on the basis of the figures immediately available to me. If I had intended to say it had increased I would have done so explicitly and given some indication of statistical significance and confidence intervals.

214615 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ LS99, replying to Richard Pinch, 6, #21 of 2222 🔗

You put too much faith in stats RP, consider that the stats themselves are flawed owing to the dodgy way in which “cases” are recorded.

215210 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to LS99, #22 of 2222 🔗

It’s more about knowing some of the people at ONS and having some confidence that they are honestly doing their best.

214074 ▶▶▶▶▶ jojo, replying to Richard Pinch, 3, #23 of 2222 🔗

Deliberately mixing the numbers, aren’t you Richard Pinch? I went to the Imperial College site and checked the latest and the previous reports.

Per swab tests taken between 18th September and 5th October: estimated 60 people per 10,000 of England’s population has the virus, i.e. infecting around 45,000 people each day.
Per swab tests taken between 16th and 25th October: estimated 128 people per 10,000 has the virus, i.e. infecting around 96,000 people each day.

Comparing like for like, this is an increase of 2.13 times for the infection. Maybe the daily deaths would also increase proportionally, but doesn’t support your numbers.

214127 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to jojo, -10, #24 of 2222 🔗

I gave PHE and ONS sets of numbers, and, I think, carefully distinguished them. Perhaps you found that confusing.

215235 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to jojo, 1, #25 of 2222 🔗

Whatever the Government or the press say is complete Horseshit, time and time the Press have spectacularly failed to hold Government and the useless opposition accountable

214115 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to Richard Pinch, 13, #26 of 2222 🔗

Deaths of who? Over 85s? With underlying symptoms? Or young previously healthy under 60s? The lies told about the death rates and infection rates are infinite.

214135 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Anne Passman, -9, #27 of 2222 🔗

All I can do at this point is to point you to the ONS page

214466 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to Richard Pinch, #28 of 2222 🔗

Do you think that’s even remotely likely though?

214611 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Sophie123, #29 of 2222 🔗

I’m not sure what “that” is in this question?

214881 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to Richard Pinch, 1, #30 of 2222 🔗

This: On that basis, 100,000 infections a day today suggests a death rate in the range 1,500 to 2,000 in three weeks time. Not so reassuring.

is that likely?

215209 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Sophie123, -2, #31 of 2222 🔗

We shall see.

214589 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Richard Pinch, 6, #32 of 2222 🔗

Let me fix a couple of things for you.

“We’re currently seeing about 300 deaths a day…”

of people who died within 28 days of a positive test, not necessarily of Covid.

infections

positive tests!

215208 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Ceriain, -1, #33 of 2222 🔗

This is why I was careful to distinguish between the PHE figures, which are for deaths in hospital with a postivie test in the previous 28 days, as you say, and ONS figures which are for deaths with Covid as a cause on the death certificate. The ONS infection figures are based on follow-up studies of positive tests, not just the tests themselves.

215439 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to Richard Pinch, #34 of 2222 🔗

Dear Richard,
please don’t take these replies too personal people are just sick of the media putting out predictions as if this is what’s going to happen if the government don’t lockdown. It Is the media that panicked the government into lockdown in March. What you must remember excess deaths as published by the ONS haven’t increased and are normal for this time of year. The 300 plus deaths from so called covid-19 are respiratory deaths,again normal for this time of year. Where there’s been an increase in deaths which isn’t been reported is in the 40-60 age group from strokes and heart attacks. These deaths are a direct result of lockdown obviously not as interesting to the media as covid-19 but they someone’s other half. Lastly the test for covid-19 is at least 50% inaccurate and most of the infections are in those under 30 so the death rate will be 1 in 500 of those infected.

215394 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Jones, replying to Richard Pinch, #35 of 2222 🔗

The IFR denominator is ALL infections not just those detected by e.g. ONS

213287 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #36 of 2222 🔗

One million every ten days…

213296 ▶▶▶▶ Commander Jameson, replying to annie, 29, #37 of 2222 🔗

Which means community immunity* is around the corner.

*: Hat tip Dr Yeadon. Let’s use positive framing to counter the coronanists negative framing of everything.

213500 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Commander Jameson, 9, #38 of 2222 🔗

And the IFR continues to drop

213380 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to annie, 4, #39 of 2222 🔗

Thanks, that’s answered the question I just asked. 🙂

214109 ▶▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #40 of 2222 🔗

Who’s going to tell Hancock, Vallance, Whitty and the PM? Or is that the kind of evidence they choose to ignore because they’d lose their control over the minutest details of our daily lives? Have any of those idiots ever run so much as a whelk stall?

213346 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Ceriain, 16, #41 of 2222 🔗

Where is the government getting these figures from? Testing centres around where I live are empty as are a number around the country that have featured on YouTube. I find it hard to believe that this figure is accurate.

213813 ▶▶▶ Adam, replying to FlynnQuill, 8, #42 of 2222 🔗

Diane Abbot is advising the Government of chaos and arrogance Neil ferguson needs prosecuting for his appalling miscalculations

213378 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Ceriain, 2, #43 of 2222 🔗

Can someone do the maths and tell me when we’ll all have it?

213451 ▶▶▶ Fiat, replying to thinkaboutit, 5, #44 of 2222 🔗

If we started from scratch today, at a constant rate, within less than two years

214885 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Fiat, 1, #45 of 2222 🔗

But loads of us had pre-existing cross immunity and tens of millions would have been infected in the Spring. If it’s 100k per day, that would continue to rise…so maybe we would get to 300k per day – 9 million per month. Herd immunity reached in a couple of months.

213468 ▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to thinkaboutit, 7, #46 of 2222 🔗

Doubling every nine days is 8% increase a day. For an geometric progression with factor 1.08 to reach a total 50million from 100,000 takes about 49 steps. So: seven weeks (home by Christmas!). NB: this is not a prediction, just the answer to an arithmetical question.

214865 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Richard Pinch, #47 of 2222 🔗

Or 39 steps to Armageddon?
Come back, Richard Hannah, all is forgiven.

213768 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Ceriain, 12, #48 of 2222 🔗

Talk Radio’s Julia (not even an O level in biology) Hartley-Brewer makes mincemeat of the dissembling Prof Paul Elliot, who hails from the Bill Gates funded Imperial College. If it comes out of Imperial it’s a lot more than dodgy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYqpiH1Q8bQ

213987 ▶▶▶ Carlo, replying to Rowan, 5, #49 of 2222 🔗

Anything on the subject from them should be taken with a pinch of salt.

213990 ▶▶▶▶ Carlo, replying to Carlo, 3, #50 of 2222 🔗

Shame they are wrecking historically a good institution so shame on them for taking Gates money.

214887 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Rowan, 2, #51 of 2222 🔗

Imperial College is the commercial arm of the Gates Foundation.

213956 ▶▶ djaustin, replying to Ceriain, 2, #52 of 2222 🔗

Assume 30-100k/day catch it, about 1-3% seek hospital attention and about 1/6 of those will die. That would give about 300-1000 admissions per day a week later, and about 50-167 deaths per day a week after that. How to the stats look at the moment? It’s not an unreasonable number. That gives an IFR of about 0.17% to 0.55%. Influenza is 0.14% for reference.

214735 ▶▶▶ Felice, replying to djaustin, #53 of 2222 🔗

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213236 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 27, #54 of 2222 🔗

Telegraph (paywall): Britain’s death toll ‘could hit 85,000 in second Covid wave’

Leaked Sage documents suggest ‘reasonable worst case scenario’ could see number of fatalities stay high for at least three months.

The modelling, drawn up in late July

At which point I realised it is just more scaremongering bollocks to force Boris into another huge national lockdown like he did when he said to act on Ferguson’s ‘reasonable worst case scenario’.

213268 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Ceriain, 18, #55 of 2222 🔗

Let’s face it, Britain’s death toll could hit 23,000,000 in the tsutsugumushi fever outbreak of December 2020. We have some modelling to prove this. Don’t we, Morph?

213284 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 33, #56 of 2222 🔗

66 million Britons will die. Sometime. Guaranteed.

213285 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to stewart, 12, #57 of 2222 🔗

It’s just that they don’t know it yet.

213304 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to annie, 6, #58 of 2222 🔗

Apart from us sceptics.

213412 ▶▶▶▶▶ Burlington, replying to annie, 9, #59 of 2222 🔗

Take one pace forward all those who are dead and and haven’t fallen over yet.
Anyone found to be dead and still standing will be fined £10,000!

213392 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to stewart, 4, #60 of 2222 🔗

Exactly. When and how we don’t know but death is a guarantee.

214003 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to stewart, 1, #61 of 2222 🔗

Definitely by 2130.

214121 ▶▶▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to stewart, 5, #62 of 2222 🔗

Probably of high blood pressure caused by frustration at yet more lying “statistics” from SAGE. By the way, if Ferguson isn’t a member, how come he’s all over the media like a rash?

214883 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Anne Passman, #63 of 2222 🔗

Remember the odious Hamiltons? Their disgrace facilitated their ubiquitousness – and, I suspect, earned them a lot more dosh than those brown envelopes.

214279 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to stewart, 3, #64 of 2222 🔗

I hope that will be over the next 75 years or so, not the next decade as seems to be envisioned in Agenda 21.

213288 ▶▶ Censored Dog, replying to Ceriain, 3, #65 of 2222 🔗

And when he finally does it, people will say that he did it “too late” again.

214875 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ceriain, 1, #66 of 2222 🔗

Leaked Sage documents inevitably suggest a load of bollox.

213237 john, replying to john, 13, #67 of 2222 🔗

From Canada, more evidence of the collateral damage from the lockdown…

https://www.cbc.ca/news/public-health-annual-report-opioid-deaths-skyrocket-1.5780129

213239 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to john, 14, #68 of 2222 🔗

Thanks for the link, John.

Canadians used to be among the happiest people in the world. That’s changing.

That’s a really terrible headline to have to read. 🙁

213359 ▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Ceriain, 2, #69 of 2222 🔗

It the justin the dope still in charge Canadians are more intelligent than Americans

213243 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to john, 5, #70 of 2222 🔗

Growing ip all I knew about Canada was a TV series called the Forest Rangers, they would not have put up with this.

213245 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to karenovirus, 2, #71 of 2222 🔗

I remember The Forest Rangers, and you’re right. They wouldn’t.

213844 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to john, 1, #72 of 2222 🔗

“Confirming what has been well-documented already, PHAC found that long-term care (LTC) homes have been the epicentre of COVID-19-related deaths because “pandemic preparedness did not extend into these settings.” The report said LTC facilities’ limited supplies of personal protective equipment, old infrastructure, poor ventilation and chronic understaffing led to more infections.

People of colour in Canada also have been far more likely to contract the virus, PHAC found. The report says Arab, Black, Middle Eastern, Latin American, South Asian and Southeast Asian Canadians accounted for more than 80 per cent of the cases in Toronto, despite collectively making up slightly more than half of the city’s population.”

214258 ▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to Lms23, 1, #73 of 2222 🔗

I’m guessing people of colour are more likely to catch the virus because they are more likely to live in overcrowded housing and/or flats, to depend on public transport, or to have public-facing jobs which cannot be done remotely?

213969 ▶▶ Espedair, replying to john, 11, #74 of 2222 🔗

My mother lives in Canada and is coming to the same realisation. She lost her partner to cancer, left undiagnosed and untreated by the British Columbia health system for two months until his death in May. Why? Cos Covid’s the only show in town. He’s one of many the world over. She also points out the opioid crisis in Canada as well as the death toll amongst homeless and very often mentally ill people on the streets of Vancouver. All of which outstrip Covid deaths by some margin.

214022 ▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to Espedair, 7, #75 of 2222 🔗

We are running with the same playbook here. The care homes had most of the deaths back in spring, mirroring the UK and US medical ‘incompetence’, even though we had ample time to learn from Europe’s suffering.

Now we’re in a Second Wave of course and the amount of people driving alone with masks on has skyrocketed. We’re just as gullible as you folks and we have the same kind of media fear machine doing its thing 24/7

The West is going down. Every country on the list has the same approach and running the same scam. Now our hero in Sweden has pushed herd immunity off the cliff so it feels like we’re in injury time…not long before the final whistle now.

213238 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 9, #76 of 2222 🔗

Last one before I get some sleep; then I’ll let you guys talk among yourselves for a bit.

Re. Toby’s main piece above: image (of a small pivot table I’ve made) below gives a nice monthly summary of the total deaths recorded in English hospitals since March.

The month by month increases, and that in the Total Column, do look bad, but, as we all know, that’s just the normal increase in deaths from respiratory diseases expected at this time of year.

Another thing to note: not all these deaths are from Covid-19, merely people who have died after testing positive. From the document:

This file contains information on the deaths of patients who have died in hospitals in England and have tested positive for COVID-19.

Source: https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/10/COVID-19-total-announced-deaths-28-October-2020.xlsx

213241 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ceriain, 1, #77 of 2222 🔗

Thanks, not doubting your accuracy but the last total I saw in MSM was 43,000 (down from the 55,000 previously concocted), does Wales account for the difference?

213247 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to karenovirus, 1, #78 of 2222 🔗

“total deaths recorded in English hospitals”, K

213242 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 4, #79 of 2222 🔗

Walesonline is claiming that the death toll in Wales is the highest for six months. That publication has been the biggest driver of panic -a side from the BBC – west of Offa’s Dyke.

213255 ▶▶ annie, replying to Londo Mollari, 12, #80 of 2222 🔗

True, but comments are now regularly sceptical.
Of course, Wales Online never tells us the ages and co-morbidities of the Covvidead. Or reminds us that Welsh hospitals clock you as Covvie on mere suspicion
Rural Wales js almost completely unaffected. They managed to scrape up four new positives in Pembrokeshire yesterday. I tremble. Not.

213263 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Londo Mollari, 15, #81 of 2222 🔗

…the highest for six months.

Common tactic of the MSM, especially the BBC. I’ve commented on this many times.

Weekly deaths start to go down… start comparing fornightly.
Fornightly deaths start to go down… start comparing monthly.
Monthly deaths start to go down… start comparing bi-monthly.

Etc , etc , etc

213244 BobT, replying to BobT, 25, #82 of 2222 🔗

I brought this forward from the end of yesterday’s comments because I would like to hear more peoples reactions……

THIS LETTER DIRECTLY CAUSED THE DEATHS OF ABOUT 50,000 PEOPLE IN ENGLAND

https://www.england.nhs.uk/coronavirus/wp-content/uploads/sites/52/2020/03/urgent-next-steps-on-nhs-response-to-covid-19-letter-simon-stevens.pdf

In the opening para it states ‘The operational aim is to expand critical care capacity to the maximum; free up 30,000 (or more) of the English NHS’s 100,000 general and acute beds’

According to their own figures, the NHS excelled themselves and kicked out 60,000 patients within a few days reducing their occupancy to 50%. It took until August to increase occupancy to the normal levels of 110,000. This resulted in a reduction of hospital healthcare in the period amounting to nearly 2 million bed-days.

There were 28,186 more deaths in care homes during this period than the normal in previous years. (Amnesty International)

There were 10,000 more deaths in private homes than normal (ONS).

There are / will be an estimated 60,000 years of life lost due to lack of screening / diagnosis for Cancer. (The Lancet)

There were twice the normal number of heart attack deaths at home than usual (The Lancet)

(Note that I have purposefully not mentioned any statistics which are tainted by Covid PCR test numbers).

These numbers account for most if not all the excess deaths above what would be normally expected to be seen during this period.

Clearly it was not Covid that killed these people it was the removal of normal healthcare services (a human right).

Shockingly, it is rumoured that they are planning to empty the hospitals again!

Will the signatories of that letter or those who instructed it ever be held accountable?

213246 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to BobT, 12, #83 of 2222 🔗

Bob, the letter is dated 17th March.

You posted your brilliant ‘bed-emptying’ graph on the 14th of October here: https://lockdownsceptics.org/2020/10/14/latest-news-162/#comment-187165

Toby posted it front page on the 15th.

Can you put your graph back up? (I would, but it’s your work) I’m pretty sure people will be interested to see that the bed emptying started LONG BEFORE the date of the letter from Stevens.

213362 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to BobT, 4, #84 of 2222 🔗

Great find and added to your graph, is more strong evidence of the manslaughter dished out by our government.

The media hysteria in March is easy to prove, but are there reliable figures for the drastic drop in care staff around the time?

213513 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to BobT, 5, #85 of 2222 🔗

As a selfish request, can you do a similar analysis for Northern Ireland hospitals? I have written to Toby already about the situation here. One hospital is so under resourced it has had to build a temporary tent on the lawn outside A and E. This has led to mass hysteria among those who take that as the plague has finally arrived.

What we suffer from here is a total lack of any real astute analysts or journalists to cut through the bull shit. And with 40%+ of jobs here tied to the public sector, the compliance with lockdown is pathetic.

It’s a wasteland where no critical thought will be found.

213520 ▶▶ stewart, replying to BobT, 8, #86 of 2222 🔗

They are going to launder the deaths caused by lockdown as covid deaths. The PCR test is the “detergent”.

213856 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to stewart, 3, #87 of 2222 🔗

‘detergent’ – I like that! MW

213248 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 45, #88 of 2222 🔗

After yesterday’s misery and this morning’s doom and gloom coming from France and Germany, today’s page is a relatively encouraging read. (Although the brilliant letter to Kwasi Kwarteng is heartbreaking and enraging in equal measure.) “Recovery” is an excellent initiative. We must keep it together.

213256 ▶▶ annie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 12, #89 of 2222 🔗

Where do I join?

213898 ▶▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to annie, 4, #90 of 2222 🔗
213592 ▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 7, #91 of 2222 🔗

Today’s read is excellent (well, it’s excellent every day) with much more in they way of hopeful articles. I too, am interested in joining Recovery. I’ll have a dig around for a website/more info.

213249 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 7, #92 of 2222 🔗

If Simon Dolan wins the case what are the spanners going to do?

The virus is deadly because the dictator told me so

The virus is not deadly because a judge told me so

I can see some brains exploding

213260 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Cecil B, 31, #93 of 2222 🔗

He’s not going to win, though, is he? Because the judiciary has been nobbled

213303 ▶▶▶ Albie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 12, #94 of 2222 🔗

Plus, following France & Germany’s lockdown latest, could the timing be any worse. The Government knew exactly what they were doing when they sought this delay.

213375 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 10, #95 of 2222 🔗

They may have been nobbled, but equally they may fear the consequences, personally and for the stability of government, of finding against the government. They would be accused of having blood on their hands. They are human and therefore weak and flawed. Of course they ought to fear the consequences of finding FOR the government more, but the trouble is at the moment I think they think they are going to get away with it.

215365 ▶▶▶ Lili, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #96 of 2222 🔗

It’s a pretty foregone conclusion. They have to pretend that they’ve really listened though.

214132 ▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to Cecil B, 3, #97 of 2222 🔗

Good. Maybe if Vallance, Whitless, Hancock Johnson’ and Ferguson’s brains exploded we could get some practical scientists and politicians to start putting the country back to some kind of sense.

213250 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 22, #98 of 2222 🔗

Good morning

Is the pig dictator still wallowing in his own shit?

213257 ▶▶ annie, replying to Cecil B, 9, #99 of 2222 🔗

If he hasn’t got enough he can have some if mine.

213267 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to annie, 7, #100 of 2222 🔗

i was about to have breakfast, think I’ll just have a coffee

213275 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Cecil B, 3, #101 of 2222 🔗

Oops, sorry!

213316 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Cecil B, 4, #102 of 2222 🔗

on his back, trotters akimbo

213251 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 4, #103 of 2222 🔗

Royal British Legion

‘Owing to the Covid19 pandemic and in light of the risks posed the annual Remembrance Sunday March Past the Cenotaph will not take place this year.

We recognize that this will be deeply disappointing for those due to take part . . .’

Contact us 0808 802 8080

213253 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to karenovirus, 11, #104 of 2222 🔗

Oh yes it will

213254 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to karenovirus, 16, #105 of 2222 🔗

Is this their decision, or an order from on-high?

Either way, it’s shameful. Their colleagues did not die for this.

I think we’ll see a lot of veterans march anyway.

Woe betide any copper who tries to stop them.

213279 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ceriain, #106 of 2222 🔗

I don’t know. It is currently the front page of their website.

213259 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to karenovirus, 4, #107 of 2222 🔗

Could become a very interesting flashpoint

213507 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #108 of 2222 🔗

How many Parish War Memorials are there ?

213444 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to karenovirus, 9, #109 of 2222 🔗

Perhaps they should have another look at the first Remembrance Sunday in 1919-no social distancing and no masks.

213576 ▶▶ Jo, replying to karenovirus, 6, #110 of 2222 🔗

Just do it anyway. All of us who want to go to our local monument can do so.

213252 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 30, #111 of 2222 🔗

It’s official!

94% of people who die are old people

I’m gobsmacked. I always thought it was the young who died and the old lived for ever

213270 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 16, #112 of 2222 🔗

What next? 100% of people who die are people?

213274 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Cecil B, 22, #113 of 2222 🔗

No. About 95% are zombies who don’t really die, but enter a permanent state of living death. They’re all around you right now. Be afraid.

214179 ▶▶▶▶ TT, replying to annie, 4, #114 of 2222 🔗

Absolutely – also, the deceased are 90% more likely than the living to (re-)contract Covid, which makes them rise up from their tombs and wander the streets masked in a brain-dead state. Three quarters of our dead are at risk of rising again as Covid zombies if cemeteries aren’t placed under strict curfew NOW…

213258 annie, replying to annie, 48, #115 of 2222 🔗

From the Spiked article:

One psychiatrist no doubt spoke for many lockdown enthusiasts when she suggested that ‘impotent personalities’ and ‘magical thinking’ are some of the reasons people don’t wear face masks.

So we are guilty of magical thinking? Not the morons who think that wearing a filthy rag over their faces while driving their own car will protect them from a virus?
This ‘psychiatrist’ obviously practises voodoo. Go to her and she’ll cure you of scepticism by anointing you with the blood of a white cockerel.

213262 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to annie, 13, #116 of 2222 🔗

What mask-wearers are doing is LITERALLY apotropaic magic.

213348 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 7, #117 of 2222 🔗

Actually it just struck me that uneducated Brazilians may indeed have been using what they considered to be an alternative bit of black magic to ward off the lurgy.
So there’s magic, and then there’s magic that is led by the Science.
And, of course, sceptics the world over all behave like uneducated Brazilians. Stands to reason.

213799 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, -3, #118 of 2222 🔗

Ooh, a new word ! Thanks NN.

213804 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to JohnB, -4, #119 of 2222 🔗

And, like all such stuff, it works in direct correspondence to the will, ability, intent, and desire of the practitioner. 🙂

214011 ▶▶▶▶ Ruth Sharpe, replying to JohnB, -3, #120 of 2222 🔗

Yes – had to look it up!

214906 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #121 of 2222 🔗

Mine didn’t work against dePiffle and Poppycock! 🙁

213292 ▶▶ Mark H, replying to annie, 19, #122 of 2222 🔗

I’ve decided to wrap pigeon entrails around my left arm to protect me – and, more importantly, others – from this deadly virus.

213299 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Mark H, 9, #123 of 2222 🔗

Remember to face the sun when you put them on. Need to pay homage for it to work

213312 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Mark H, 5, #124 of 2222 🔗

Do pig entrails work?

213349 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Cecil B, 6, #125 of 2222 🔗

Try Boris’s.
Drake entrails are a cert.

214141 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to annie, 1, #126 of 2222 🔗

I wouldn’t even want Ferguson’s entrails for garters. They’d probably be as lousy as his “science”

213321 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Mark H, 6, #127 of 2222 🔗

OK, yes, pigeon entrails around the left arm for you, but to protect others you need the bile ducts of a Syrian hamster behind your right ear.

213400 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to annie, 2, #128 of 2222 🔗

Probably not even a real psychiatrist. Or received their degree from some Mickey Mouse university.

214008 ▶▶ Ruth Sharpe, replying to annie, 1, #129 of 2222 🔗

I’m planning a trio of masked dolls – BoJo the Clown, Matt Handoncock and MacFishface – to burn on the fire on bonfire night. Neighbours are invited. Does that count as magical thinking?

214586 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Ruth Sharpe, -4, #130 of 2222 🔗

Only if you’re trying to cause harm. Are you any good at it ?

214689 ▶▶▶ James Bertram, replying to Ruth Sharpe, #131 of 2222 🔗

Could always stick pins in them. Obviously, Hancock gets it in the cock.

214910 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to James Bertram, #132 of 2222 🔗

Wankock deserves several – in various parts of his anatomy.

213265 annie, replying to annie, 6, #133 of 2222 🔗

The Fascist Junta have responded to the Gym. petition. Now hear this:

Sports and physical activity are incredibly important for our physical and mental health, and are a vital weapon against coronavirus. That’s why we made sure that people could exercise at least once a day even during the height of lockdown – and why we opened up grassroots sport and leisure facilities as soon as it was safe to do so.

213266 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to annie, 4, #134 of 2222 🔗

Sports and physical activity are incredibly important for”

There’s one of those fatuous adverbs
BANG!!! GOT IT.

213272 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 8, #135 of 2222 🔗

Just to add:
So we’ve all been enjoying our favourite sports, have we? And your children have been getting all that vital physical activity?

And do you remember that poisonous little worm Wancock, a few days into the first incarceration, threatening to lock us up 24/7 if wicked people didn’t stop going outside for longer than half an hour a day?

Quarantine convicts, of course, are deprived of healthy physical activity as a punishment for having been near somebody with a positive test result. And serve them jolly well right.

Oh, and get this, from the Sports Minister. Who no doubt heroically backed the successful campaign ( not):

I welcome the news that gyms and leisure centres that were previously closed in Liverpool due to its very high alert level are now allowed to re-open from Friday 23 October.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/333869?reveal_response=yes

213322 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #136 of 2222 🔗

Yup, you killed it. It has sadlidied.

213350 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Alethea, 1, #137 of 2222 🔗

Not happilidied?

213278 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to annie, 19, #138 of 2222 🔗

Honestly, this drivel is on the same level as L’Oréal adverts. “Clear, healthy skin is incredibly important to our physical and mental health, and a vital weapon against coronavirus, for some reason, probably. That’s why we at L’Oréal decided that the best way for us to make a massive profit was by persuading saps like you that buying our products makes a blind bit of difference to the way your skin ages. Our wholesome, animal-tested, entirely useless products are there for you to use at least once a day, even during the height of lockdown. Here’s a model preselected for her perfect skin, rubbing some of the stuff in while smiling: PROVING that lockdowns work and the new normal is going to be huge fun for all of us in the shiny shiny sunrise of [cont’d p. 94]”

213280 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 20, #139 of 2222 🔗

76% of 49 women agreed. 😉

213286 ▶▶▶ Suze Burtenshaw, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 8, #140 of 2222 🔗

Are you telling me it won’t stop my skin from ageing, or make happy and keep me safe?! Bum! That’s more money down the drain…..

214911 ▶▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #141 of 2222 🔗

Appreciate the Private Eye reference there…

214143 ▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to annie, 4, #142 of 2222 🔗

Total bollocks. They couldn’t give a Castlemain xxxx. That’s why the Stasi were out in the Peak District during April

213269 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 7, #143 of 2222 🔗

Ever wonder what Dido is spending that 12 billion quid on?

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=uk.nhs.covid19.production&hl=en&showAllReviews=true

DHSC has got one, or more, employees working full-time on answering reviews on the Google Play reviews page for the Serco NHS T&T app. Apples ITunes page for the app has the same.

213271 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Ceriain, 8, #144 of 2222 🔗

Hilarious reviews. As for Dido, I have only one thing to say to her.

Carthago delenda est.

213273 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #145 of 2222 🔗

Level it to the ground, plough it in, salt the ruins.

214148 ▶▶▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to annie, 2, #146 of 2222 🔗

Can we bury the Fantastic Four (Johnson, Hancock, Whitty and Vallance) under them?

213323 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #147 of 2222 🔗

nice

213425 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #148 of 2222 🔗

It is interesting that very many of the five star reviews are very short and bland, of the; ‘Works fine’ variety. Should I be suspicious?

213447 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #149 of 2222 🔗

Very good, BJ will enjoy that one.

May my wrongs create
No trouble, no trouble in thy breast;
Remember me, remember me, but ah! forget my fate.
Remember me, but ah! forget my fate.

The horrible irony of not hearing that from the Cenotaph this year will no doubt be lost on BJ.

213476 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 2, #150 of 2222 🔗

Off topic, but I will never forget hearing the late, great Jessye Norman sing that at Birmingham Symphony Hall (after she’d made them turn off the air conditioning because the hum was disturbing the music). Great singer, but I have to say not really my taste for Purcell. And her vowels were a bit odd. She sang the words as you’ve quoted them, but what came out was “Remember me, but ah! forget my feet.” And unfortunately Dido sings that again. And again. And again.

214150 ▶▶▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #151 of 2222 🔗

Whenever I hear it, particularly sung by Kathleen Ferrier (that dates me!) it always gives me a shiver.

213276 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 21, #152 of 2222 🔗

Mirror Online: Trump controversially urges Americans to shun lockdown restrictions and mocks face masks.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/trump-controversially-urges-americans-shun-22922973

213902 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Tom Blackburn, 7, #153 of 2222 🔗

“Trump controversially urges”
BANG!!!! Got another one. (My ongoing murderous campaign against adverbs telling people what to think)

213281 Helen, replying to Helen, 9, #155 of 2222 🔗

Dobinson, Co-Founder of Recovery, commented: “now see it as the most important campaign I’ve run in my life. My mum survived COVID-19, so did my colleagues at work”

Mr Dobinson here is your homework for today

From PHE

Understanding cycle threshold (Ct) in SARS-CoV-2 RT-PCR: a guide for health protection teams
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/926410/Understanding_Cycle_Threshold__Ct__in_SARS-CoV-2_RT-PCR_.pdf

PCR GATE

Documentary evidence of criminal fraud. Essential reading for leaders of the resistance.

https://twitter.com/Bobby_Network/status/1321188173913927680

This thread is going to examine & dissect the very specific behavioral-patterns, underlying market-architecture, fraudulent scientific methods, orthodox rituals of the vast pharma-wasp nest set around the queen wasp Christian Drosten/
Bobby Rajesh Malhotra@Bobby_Network

213289 ▶▶ 2 pence, replying to Helen, 2, #156 of 2222 🔗

Helen, better unrolled

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1321188173913927680.html

It seems like a wonder that any kind of amplification occures with Drosten’s qPCR-protocol, submitted to WHO (13th Jan) and officially released there as recommendation on 21st January 2020:
You could do 45 cycles, but then you also have to define a reasonable CT-value, an analytical result at up to 45 cycles is a no-go and scientifically meaningless.
44/124 You could also do 100 cycles, does not matter, a reasonable CT-value would always define the scientific significance of the amplification-results beforehand. In all the #Drosten #paper -submissions and official releases no reasonable CT-value is anywhere to be found.
Besides ZERO scientific evidence / no valid #GoldStandard , CONFLICTS OF INTERST everywhere, lets peek into CT-standardisation:Quote: Kary Mullis: Ct >30 is wrong.>33 definitely is.

214352 ▶▶▶ Helen, replying to 2 pence, 1, #158 of 2222 🔗

Thanks .. I am slowly learning to be a twit

213282 stewart, replying to stewart, 64, #159 of 2222 🔗

We have all been confined to zero covid purgatory.

We are all trapped in one of two types of zero covid purgatory: there is e n route to zero covid purgatory (e.g Britain, the EU) and arrived in zero covid purgatory (e.g. China, Australia, Malaysia).

En route to zero covid purgatory means constantly chasing an R-rate below 1. Local lockdowns, arbitrary business closures, masks, quarantines, testing, social distancing, more testing and the slow but relentless crushing of the pleasures of life. You no longer choose if you can work, who you can visit, what you can buy, where you can go. These decisions are now dictated by the state.

If you are “fortunate” and arrive in zero covid purgatory, like in China, Malaysia or Australia, you are then forced to report your every movement to the authorities by scanning in and out of every public place with your phone. You live in fear of a single positive test that might result in your entire community being locked away and isolated. If you’re in New Zealand you might be taken away to a confinement centre simply for testing positive. You might not be sick or infectious.

When you arrive in zero covid purgatory, you can only travel abroad in very special cases and by permission of the authorities. Like in the most repressive communist regimes that have existed. Masks don’t disappear when you arrive in zero covid purgatory, you still wear them in many places.

In zero covid purgatory, Sweden ceases to exist.

Zero covid purgatory is actually just a waystation on the way to zero covid hell. We don’t quite know what zero covid hell will look like, but it definitely involves taking an unproven vaccine. Whether you want to or not. It will almost certainly also involve permanent health surveillance by state of every individual in the form of an immunity passport. And let’s not kid ourselves; zero covid hell will still have masks. On planes, public transportation etc.

Thanks to a virus with a mortality rate of about 0.2% we are all trapped in a zero covid purgatory on the way to zero covid hell where we will remain until we die.

213291 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to stewart, 27, #160 of 2222 🔗

Indeed zero-covid is the road to hell, if you do ever get there and have any sort of society left you are then in a constant state of angst and anxiety and restrictions lest it re-appears.

There is only one road to freedom and that is to live with this virus. Fortunately it is not that difficult to do, protection of the elderly and vulnerable by voluntary and community action is quite possible with Government support and guidance.
The NHS are now much better at treating Covid and we should be re-directing this silly vaccine money at developing better treatments for the few people who do get serious Covid.

So far we have no politicians with the imagination, vision and courage to push this approach.

214156 ▶▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to Steve Martindale, 13, #161 of 2222 🔗

You’ve hit the nail right on the head. I’m over 70, in good health, not overweight , exercise regularly, eat fairly healthily, and am sick and tired of being told to isolate, protect myself, think that I’m vulnerable etc. My granddaughters need a life and I’m sure as hell not going to be used by this shower of xxxx as a reason to lock them down. What part of the word live do those idiots like Hancock not understand?.

213390 ▶▶ Julian, replying to stewart, 9, #162 of 2222 🔗

I thought China was more or less back to normal, covid-wise – of course their normal is pretty awful…

213404 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to stewart, 12, #163 of 2222 🔗

This is fast becoming like Dante’s circles of hell.

214214 ▶▶ chris c, replying to stewart, 5, #164 of 2222 🔗

You get a false positvei test. You get locked in an isolation centre where you catch covid. Hmmm . . .

213283 Mark H, replying to Mark H, 18, #165 of 2222 🔗

While chillaxing in my glorious Austrian lair, nestled in the Bohemian Forest, I often like to slip into my Blake 7 gown, pour myself a long, cold Peach Schnapps, before making a Zoom call to the UN to demand one hundred million dollars.

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213310 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Mark H, 7, #166 of 2222 🔗

Ha, the man is a joke, we should be pointing and laughing at how absurd he is not bowing to him

213320 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Mark H, 7, #167 of 2222 🔗

“Ah, Mr Bond! We’ve been expecting you.”

213326 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 12, #168 of 2222 🔗

When is the mystery machine going to bust in with scooby, shaggy, fred, Daphne and Velma, Fred will rip off his rubber mask….

Jimminies, it was the creepy janitor all along

If it wasn’t for you pesky kids I would of gotten away with it.

Rooby Doo…….

213364 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to stefarm, 9, #169 of 2222 🔗

But whose face will be revealed when he takes off the mask?
My money’s on Piers Morgan.

213382 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #170 of 2222 🔗

Jeremy Beadle

213486 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #171 of 2222 🔗

Neil Ferguson

213481 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #172 of 2222 🔗

Yeah – where’s the cat?

213290 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 9, #173 of 2222 🔗

Nearly 100,000 people catching Covid everyday!!
Anybody would think that the “authorities” are afraid of herd immunity.

213295 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Fingerache Philip., 14, #174 of 2222 🔗

Everyday about 1000 covid hospital admissions, that, by my definition of immunity, leaves 99,000 people everyday proving to be immune to serious Covid and not being admitted to hospital despite ‘supposedly’ having the virus.
Which rather begs the question why is this virus causing so much hoo-haa.

213301 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #175 of 2222 🔗

Mass hysteria driven by more and more desperate clueless governments from all over the world.

213417 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Fingerache Philip., 8, #176 of 2222 🔗

I don’t believe they are clueless, there is an Agenda.

213293 Censored Dog, replying to Censored Dog, 9, #177 of 2222 🔗

How do I join Recovery? Is there a website?

213324 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Censored Dog, 4, #178 of 2222 🔗

Perhaps more will be known later today after the official launch. But I’m already slightly concerned that they’ve missed a trick by not having (or publicising) a website in advance. And although Recovery is a good vibe for the name, it’s not great for search engines.

213394 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #179 of 2222 🔗

Agree

I couldn’t find a website either

They sound moderate – probably the right approach but hopefully not too moderate

It has to be positive for us, hope they are ambitious and well funded

213434 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #180 of 2222 🔗

It won’t matter what they name the party, Google will ensure that it ends up in the memory hole.

213488 ▶▶ Burlington, replying to Censored Dog, 5, #181 of 2222 🔗
213527 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Burlington, 1, #182 of 2222 🔗

Put it up as a new post please, not everyone has the time to backtrack.

213294 Commander Jameson, replying to Commander Jameson, 17, #183 of 2222 🔗

What they say: Here is the GGC* News. The percentage of elderly victims of the coronavirus continues to skyrocket as leading scientists now show that 94% victims are elderly.

What people hear: 94% of elderly people will die of coronavirus.

*: Global Gaslighting Corporation

213298 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Commander Jameson, 15, #184 of 2222 🔗

The misuse and misrepresentation of statistics has been an appalling hallmark of this virus hoo-haa, when you present statistics you need to put them into context alongside figures of normal rates, total populations and comparisons with previous years etc.

213315 ▶▶▶ Commander Jameson, replying to Steve Martindale, 18, #185 of 2222 🔗

I teach statistics to medics, and include a big health warning on this in my lectures – you can always present the numbers in a way that is favourable to your position.*

It’s so transparent you can now predict this. As Covid displaces old-fashioned influenza this winter the next one will be along the lines of “covid eclipses ‘flu and now causes 80% of respiratory deaths”. There will be no acknowledgement that (1) respiratory deaths are not much higher than usual (2) non-covid respiratory deaths are much lower than usual so it is largely a competing risks scenario (3) in past years we never tested many people dying of respiratory diseases but now we are testing all of them, so in the past we did not know exactly what virus was responsible and didn’t care.

*: Of course the media should have a neutral position on this, but none of them do.

213297 davews, replying to davews, 110, #186 of 2222 🔗

Here we go again. BBC and other media in full flow fear mongering mode. Another study from our infamous Imperial College saying we must lock down further. France already doing so in a big big way. Police state. Second wave far worse than first when in whatever way you look at it is blatantly untrue.

I have spent most of my work as an engineer doing loads of things that make our world a better place to live and have felt proud of seeing the results of my efforts. Now I see the very world I have worked so hard on being destroyed before my very eyes. You cannot kill the virus and you most certainly do not do so by destroying the world.

Angry is not a strong enough word to describe how I feel this morning.

213319 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to davews, 20, #187 of 2222 🔗

I feel exactly the same way.

213331 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to davews, 62, #188 of 2222 🔗

I work in engineering too. What gets me is that measures are being taken on vague evidence and supposition, all of which would get you in jail if applied to engineering.

The politicians sitting with lights on, driving in cars, using their phones, eating food not realising that a whole bunch of people made it possible for these thing NOT to kill you by being precise with measurements and testing.

213354 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to mhcp, 9, #189 of 2222 🔗

Brilliant comment.
Send that message to your MP.

214226 ▶▶▶ chris c, replying to mhcp, 8, #190 of 2222 🔗

Yes, Would you trust a bridge or a car designed by Imperial?

214476 ▶▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to chris c, 9, #191 of 2222 🔗

Ahaha when I was there their swimming pool had allegedly been self-designed by the engineering department. There was meant to be a hall of residence above it but instead there was an empty plot with a subterranean pool. Because they’d forgotten to include the weight of the water when doing the calculations for the foundations.

Allegedly.

213353 ▶▶ annie, replying to davews, 8, #192 of 2222 🔗

Time to do some serious engineering.

213454 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to davews, 12, #193 of 2222 🔗

it was a depressing listen until some scientist was confronted with the comment by Rocco Forte that more people died of flu/pneumonia than covid. The scientist’s answer was enough to undermine his own credibility!

214282 ▶▶ GCarty80, replying to davews, 8, #194 of 2222 🔗

Could Imperial College’s stance be explained in part by the fact that the Chinese dictator visited them personally in 2015?

214371 ▶▶▶ chris c, replying to GCarty80, 5, #195 of 2222 🔗

Did he present them with a brown envelope?

213300 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 25, #196 of 2222 🔗

Received photographs of our younger granddaughter and her friends in their prom dresses (in hope of their school’s prom,next year)
Now I believe I talk for many,many parents and grandparents from all over the country in asking people who still go along with the present madness: ARE YOU PREPARED TO DENY YOUR CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN FROM ONE OF THEIR MOST MEMORABLE EXPERIENCES OF THEIR LIVES?
Stop believing that destroying lives,futures,businesses,jobs and mental health is worth it!
Get off your knees, open your eyes and see the truth.

213309 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Fingerache Philip., 8, #197 of 2222 🔗

👏 👏 👏 👏 👏

213314 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to stefarm, 4, #198 of 2222 🔗

Many thanks.

213302 court, replying to court, 8, #199 of 2222 🔗

I’ve still got my fingers crossed I can get to South Africa in January and just came across this article basically saying that because they locked down harshly with non-medical interventions that everyone got it. Really? So lockdown and masks work by infecting everyone? But I thought not locking down will cause hundreds of thousands of deaths of infected people? They really do make it up as they go along don’t they?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/coronavirus-south-africa-herd-immunity-covid-cases-latest-b1400549.html%3famp b

214737 ▶▶ Liewe, replying to court, 2, #200 of 2222 🔗

Yes, our government helpfully locked down the populace, made them queue and huddle for their social grants and food parcels, illicit cigarettes and illegal liquor. Nightingale hospitals were barely used and millions lost their jobs, but kept their lives. There’s no-one left for the virus to infect and our “2nd wave” refuses to materialize. We do have mandatory masks, but 75% just ignore it as there are no fines associated with uncovered jowls.

Please come visit in January – we certainly need your Pounds!!

213305 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 29, #201 of 2222 🔗

I don’t usually do remembrance day parades. I prefer a quiet moment of reflection

This year I will pin on my medals, my late father and mothers medals, my grandfathers medals, and the medals of my great uncle killed in Flanders in 1917

I will be on the parade

Let’s find out who really meant it last year when they said ‘ We will remember them’

Talk is cheap

213307 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Cecil B, 7, #202 of 2222 🔗

Agree, my great uncle was killed along with thousands of others on the first day of the battle of the Somme.

213317 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Fingerache Philip., 17, #203 of 2222 🔗

I have the WWI brass tobacco case (the one that was given to all soldiers, I think) that belonged to my grandfather. It saved his life and it still has the impact crater from the bullet that hit it, in the back. His brother was killed at Albert, and is buried there with the wrong age on his headstone because he was only 16. He lied about his age to join up. If I was in the UK I’d go for them, and also for another great-uncle who was killed when the Fiji was sunk off Crete in WW2.
Fuck these worthless coward bureaucrats and politicians.

213343 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #204 of 2222 🔗

Thank you for that,NN.
My mother’s father lied about his age to join up (he was 15)

213311 ▶▶ Gary Blick, replying to Cecil B, 14, #205 of 2222 🔗

Absolutely, my great grandfather killed July 1917 battle of Vimey ridge , his body never recovered, I do think the chaps who fought for freedom will be turning over in their graves

213909 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cecil B, 7, #206 of 2222 🔗

My Mum’s Dad’s brother was drowned in a troop ship that was torpedoed as he was coming home. My granddad’s life was destroyed because of the loss of his brother. He never got over it.

They found a bible that belonged to him somehow, it was water damaged.

My Dad’s Mum’s brother died trying to bailout of a Halifax bomber over Lincolnshire. For her whole life she and the whole family thought he burned to death in the plane. Obviously this was very hard to bear for everybody concerned.

However some great research for a book revealed that Uncle Willie did jump out the aircraft but unfortunately his parachute didn’t open. The plane wasn’t on fire but had suffered engine failure after takeoff which was typical for these aircraft.

They killed hundreds of airmen due to their engines being totally crap. They were also very under-powered. The plane crashed in a field and most of the crew did manage to bail out successfully except for the pilot who tried to safely crash the aircraft. He died too.

216132 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Two-Six, #207 of 2222 🔗

I’m not sure I’ll be attending the Remembrance Day service in my village this year. The sight of people masked up while honouring those who died for our freedom would turn my stomach.

213306 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 8, #208 of 2222 🔗

I don’t believe it: A sceptic being given airtime on BBC R4.

213325 ▶▶ Albie, replying to Fingerache Philip., 6, #209 of 2222 🔗

Maybe it’s dawned on the BBC that the more people on the dole the less TV license revenue they collect. Then they end up on the dole. I wonder how many of the BBC and Guardian staff made redundant in the summer cuts are still lockdown enthusiasts?

213418 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Albie, 2, #210 of 2222 🔗

Yep. And the Defund the BBC campaign has been gaining momentum – that must have them running scared too.

214301 ▶▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #211 of 2222 🔗

Ive done my own defunding, everyone should too, just stop the DD.

213308 court, replying to court, 4, #212 of 2222 🔗

My best friend is coming back from USA next week for 3 weeks on a whistle-stop tour of all his family and friends. He’s a U.K. passport holder and will have a hire car for the duration.

We’re trying to formulate a plan to avoid the long arm of the law. I said to just put his old U.K. address into the quarantine form and use a burner SIM number I have lying around. Anyone have any better ideas?

He also wants to go and visit some family in Newcastle, which I’ve heard can be difficult, I said jokingly to wear a hi-viz vest at all times there, but I’d be happy to hear what it’s like on the ground up there.

Thanks in advance!

213371 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to court, 4, #213 of 2222 🔗

Are you referring to the ‘ person locator form’?, which is submitted electronically 48 hours before travel

First thing, don’t tell any lies you can only get into trouble if you lie

As regards the mobile I said I didn’t have one, which is true

The form will then ask for a ‘ next of kin’ number, fine, give them a genuine number. There is no obligation on the nok to answer the phone

As regards address I entered ‘ No fixed abode’

The form will then ask you to explain, I wrote

‘The government has made it illegal to enter the county that I usually reside in. On exiting the terminal I intend to seek legal advice as to where I can reside’

As long as all the fields are completed it will submit

Be creative but not dishonest

The Border Agency don’t check them it’s not their job

213440 ▶▶▶ court, replying to Cecil B, 1, #214 of 2222 🔗

Great tips, thanks!

213373 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to court, 4, #215 of 2222 🔗

Use cash at all times.

213389 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Mr Dee, 2, #216 of 2222 🔗

And don’t have the crapapp on any phone you may acquire after your arrival in the UK

213547 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Mr Dee, 7, #217 of 2222 🔗

Bakery and cake shop in Ludlow that refuses card payments and only accepts cash.

213516 ▶▶ Geordie Sceptics, replying to court, 2, #218 of 2222 🔗

Newcastle local here, beyond most people wearing masks, town is feels fairly the same as pre-covid.
I’m curious as to why you think it can be difficult for him to visit here?

213729 ▶▶▶ court, replying to Geordie Sceptics, 1, #219 of 2222 🔗

I’m not sure, it just came up in conversation that his brother said is that he’s ‘extremely pessimistic’ that it’ll be possible. He’s a Dr in a hospital and wife a midwife – I wonder if its more likely the optics.

213562 ▶▶ Laura, replying to court, 2, #220 of 2222 🔗

Lie. I’ve had several family members visit me from the U.S., all lying on the form. It’s quite easy to enter using the e-gates. Change the address and phone number, no one checks.

213313 John Ballard, replying to John Ballard, 14, #221 of 2222 🔗

Great article but you just get the feeling that the buffoon and chums will just follow France to stay in the stupid club. Unless some very important people get involved and the media stop the scaremongering we are going to be knackered for another six months.

216137 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to John Ballard, #222 of 2222 🔗

One way that I think public opinion could turn is if the elites are seen to be flouting the rules .We’ve already seen the anger when Cummings was thought to have disobeyed (although that was partly because he is a Tory and therefore some wanted to make capital out of it). But eventually, the elites will want to go back to normal and a few leaked photos of MPs flouting rules could have a big effect. I’ve always said that official policy only changes when the elites are affected – an example is when London’s sewage system was built because the smell was so bad in Parliament that they had no choice.

213318 Hoppity, replying to Hoppity, -1, #223 of 2222 🔗

Just to say that while I’m a fully paid-up sceptic, and know that the facts are the facts, even I’m beginning to feel that the tone and also substance in some of what’s now being said and written where the old v young stats are concerned is becoming a bit ‘throwaway’, and . . . mildly offensive.

By paragraph 4, the D-M copy is talking in terms of “working-age people” as opposed to “pensioners”. There is a value judgement in that, i.e. the lives of those who are not economically-productive units don’t matter so much as the lives of those who are. It’s not only ‘pensioners’ who are affected by that attitude (as I’m sure many of you will already know from experience), and I think it an ugly one.  (And what exactly does the word ‘pensioner’ mean these days, anyway? Certainly not what it meant pre-2011, that’s for sure, and certainly not what it signified in the latter half of the 20th century.)

Even Karl Sikora is beginning to sound a bit ‘incautious’, in my opinion. “It’s a matter of balance and we’ve not got it right.” Yes, quite so, Karl.

213327 ▶▶ matt, replying to Hoppity, 16, #224 of 2222 🔗

I don’t think that the intention is to dismiss the deaths of those of pensionable age as irrelevant, just to point out that the harm being done falls disproportionately on the shoulders of the young, while the supposed benefit from controlling the spread of the virus accrues disproportionately to the old. I say ‘supposed’ because I’ve yet to see anything other than assertion that suggests that anything that has been done has in fact done anything to control anything other than the citizenry.

A focussed protection strategy relies on being able to work out who most needs protection. Numbers like the ones you’re referring to help to illustrate the fact that people who claim that the virus strikes indiscriminately don’t know what they’re talking about (or they do know, and they lie).

213330 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Hoppity, 2, #225 of 2222 🔗

It’s not a very useful distinction ( Ephraim Engleman , for example, was still of “working age” as a doctor until he died at 104), but I really don’t think it’s intentionally dismissive.

213337 ▶▶▶ Hoppity, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #226 of 2222 🔗

I’m sure you’re right — that it’s not intentionally dismissive. But there was nevertheless something vaguely unsettling to me in what I read – some of the language being used. In earlier days, I suggested that the term ‘bedwetters’ should be abandoned, as I thought it ‘unhelpful’. It wasn’t a suggestion that met with much approval on here initially, but I saw a few weeks ago that eventually it must have caught on. All I think I’m saying is that people — experts included — should choose their words carefully, moreso now, that we’re 8-9 months into this horrific shambles, than ever.

213660 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Hoppity, 2, #227 of 2222 🔗

Good to see you back Hoppity in the sense that is any of this good – better if none of this was going on at all. I hope to read future comments from you as and when. Thanks you in advance!

213803 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hoppity, replying to Basics, #228 of 2222 🔗

I can’t remember the last time I commented on here — been too busy trying to keep myself in one piece, and head-above-water (against what I think might accurately be described as extraordinary odds) at work. I usually take a quick look here in the mornings, as well as at a few other sites, but don’t normally have the time or emotional energy to comment. I’m off work for a few days at the mo (and dreading going back).

213344 ▶▶▶ Hoppity, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #229 of 2222 🔗

Why am I thinking of the “Womble taxis” graffiti on the buses in Southampton in the mid 70s? (Almost died laughing? A memorable moment. I was 19.)

213538 ▶▶▶▶ Hoppity, replying to Hoppity, #230 of 2222 🔗

Minus 2 again? Oh dear. It must be me.

213334 ▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to Hoppity, 5, #231 of 2222 🔗

Worth remembering out that these are deaths ‘with’ rather than from Covid. After all many people die within 28 days of contracting a common cold. The heavy bias towards older victims suggests that Covid is simply a convenient patsy for more complex conditions.

213341 ▶▶▶ Hoppity, replying to Yawnyaman, 5, #232 of 2222 🔗

And yep.

213544 ▶▶▶▶ Hoppity, replying to Hoppity, 4, #233 of 2222 🔗

In the wrong again , for agreeing?! Doesn’t do to dissent in the slightest here (without going all round the houses). I think I’m beginning to feel like a pea who can’t join the Birdseye Country Club.

214262 ▶▶▶▶▶ chris c, replying to Hoppity, 1, #234 of 2222 🔗

They grow peas for freezing around here. The farmers are told when to sow, theoretically to get a wave of ripening peas to keep the factory loaded but not overloaded.

Despite the cost of the harvesters and the wages they will tjhink nothing of harvesting half a field then standing down for half a day while the rest ripens.

This sort of tight control works for peas but they are trying to apply the same sort of logic to people. That doesn’t work so well.

213338 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Hoppity, 5, #235 of 2222 🔗

I guess people are looking for a shorthand way of describing ‘the vulnerable by virtue of age or existing health condition’. On the age issue the point is that your chance of dying from anything increases enormously once you pass 70, between the ages of 75 – 84 you stand a 1 in 19 chance of dying in the next 12 months for teenagers it is about 1 in 9000. Covid mortality seems to mirror standard mortality curves and so clearly it is the elderly that are vulnerable.
To my mind the point is that the Government are actually making things worse by general blunderbuss lock-downs that leave the elderly/vulnerable much more at risk. It would be quite easy to set up a voluntary, community based system of protection for the elderly/vulnerable, the Government just needs to give guidelines, strategy and provide resources. Many elderly/vulnerable would be keen to voluntarily take up such a scheme. Other elderly/vulnerable (like me) would decide they would rather take their chances, fair enough that is their decision.
The glaring point as set out in today’s newsletter is that the statistics clearly show that this virus is mostly affecting some clearly and easily identified groups and the Government are ignoring this fact.

213339 ▶▶▶ Hoppity, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #236 of 2222 🔗

Yep.

213366 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Hoppity, 10, #237 of 2222 🔗

I’m 67, my life is of less value to me than those of my children and grandchildren.

213369 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 6, #238 of 2222 🔗

Just so. If a virus appeared that was particularly dangerous for people of my exact age, I would be horrified and enraged if the world was closed down to “protect me”.

213564 ▶▶▶ Hoppity, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 1, #239 of 2222 🔗

Yes, I understand all that (I’m not far behind you), and all the rest, which seems to have been lost on lots of people here. I stand by what I said, i.e. that the language sometimes being used now to argue the case against the Covid roadshow is careless.

213462 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Hoppity, 2, #240 of 2222 🔗

I understand what you are saying, but I do feel the criticism is a bit overblown. I’m just not as sensitive as you are to language used, I suppose.

But there is a legitimate point that should not be hidden from here. There is a sense in which every life has the same notional value, which is similar to the principle that men are born equal. It has meaning, but equally if it is taken too literally or over-applied, it becomes dangerous nonsense.

From government’s point of view, there absolutely is a sense in which it is more important to defend younger lives than older, and while the working age has certainly extended considerably for many, with generally lighter work and better health, nevertheless retirement is still a fact for the vast majority. Yes, older people are entitled to proper medical treatment, but on the other hand there comes a point where putting more resources in to try to extend a life is no longer defensible, and this point is correctly sooner reached than for a younger person. This is inherent in the QALY calculations used daily.

And too there is the point that Nigel Sherratt makes, that I would apply to myself as well – a parent who does not regard his children’s and grandchildren’s lives as more important than his own has gone badly wrong somewhere.

Philosophically speaking, the reality is that one of our goals in life should be to reconcile ourselves to the inevitability of death, to come to terms with it, and to prepare ourselves for it. I once read the suggestion (from a religious character in a novel) that the pains and discomforts of age were his God’s way of loosening him in his body, like a cook loosening something in the pan so it will slide out more easily. There’s wisdom there, I think.

213595 ▶▶▶ Hoppity, replying to Mark, #241 of 2222 🔗

I’d agree that I am acutely ‘sensitive to language’. That sensitivity has served me well at other times, in other places.

213604 ▶▶▶ Hoppity, replying to Mark, 2, #242 of 2222 🔗

P.S. Thanks for mentioning that you understood what I was getting at, at least. You seem to be the only person who has.

213945 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Hoppity, 1, #243 of 2222 🔗

The term ‘pensioner’ is bandied about patronisingly by the media to include ,mountaineers ,adventurers of all stripes, as well as artists, writers etc. The one that enraged me was describing a round the world sailor aged 80 odd as a bloody pensioner!

214208 ▶▶ djaustin, replying to Hoppity, 1, #244 of 2222 🔗

The median age at ITU admission is 61. A quarter of all patients are under 50. Very few are over 85 – and that number is decreasing further as beds fill). Even discounting the extreme elderly in Nursing Homes who accounted for s significant proportion of deaths, there is a reason for much higher mortality in the 85+ in hospitals – they do not routinely receive aggressive treatment (which is also the true for other respiratory diseases). Once the ITUs are full of fifty-year olds (only 1/10 of which have severe comorbidities), what then? What do you think will happen to the age-adjusted mortality when there are no available beds in HDU/ITU for the “working-age people”. Forget routine surgery, cancer surgery… without HDU/ITU capacity these will not be possible.

Naive death statistics only tell a part of the story, and the headline – “Average age was greater than 80” sounds OK, but is too simplistic (like most things).

213328 Schrodinger, replying to Schrodinger, 15, #245 of 2222 🔗

Meanwhile straight from the ‘horse’s mouth’ (London Ambulance Service). Where are the drastic measures to flatten this curve?

“Sadly, the number of suicide and attempted suicide incidents we attend are increasing.

Our crews now attend an average of 37 suicides or attempted suicides per day, compared to 22 in 2019 and 17 five years ago.”

https://twitter.com/Ldn_Ambulance/status/1321566876732952581

213333 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Schrodinger, 5, #246 of 2222 🔗

That’s 13,505 a year, and the Covid deaths for London are?

213340 ▶▶▶ Schrodinger, replying to Cecil B, 7, #247 of 2222 🔗

But there is no expensive vaccine to be sold. Wake up at the back.

214935 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Cecil B, #248 of 2222 🔗

For Them it doesn’t even matter! Those deaths are just a bonus.

213388 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Schrodinger, 2, #249 of 2222 🔗

That is a horrible number and for just London alone. We won’t know statistics I believe until next March officially. These need to be published as a matter of urgency.

213420 ▶▶ Schrodinger, replying to Schrodinger, 3, #250 of 2222 🔗

Just for comparison London deaths ( either tested positive for COVID-19 or where COVID-19 was mentioned on the death certificate). Average 9.2 per day

21st 9
22nd 14
23rd 11
24th 2
25th 2
26th 8
27th 19

https://www.london.gov.uk/coronavirus/coronavirus-covid-19-numbers-london

214932 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Schrodinger, #251 of 2222 🔗

ALL deaths are welcome!

Even though OPERATION COVID main goals is not to terminate modern moron slaves, that will be the goal of the OPERATION GREAT REST (reset for the distracted!), all extra goodies that happen, like these deaths, are welcomed by the SRF & Billionaires.

213332 sky_trees, replying to sky_trees, 13, #252 of 2222 🔗

A good update today. I agree with the conspiracy letter: there are some people who are looking to take advantage of the situation to maximise their interests. Also, I put nothing past humanity – the most evil and depraved acts have been enacted or attempted to enact. So I definitely think it is reasonable and probably likely that there are people acting maliciously in all this. I just don’t see the ‘big conspiracy’ of people in a room plotting.

The letter to the MP was scathing too.

I note the BBC running with a new study from Imperial College. I wonder what it says. Oh, we’re at a critical point and need to lockdown? What a surprise. We’ve been at a critical point every day for the last seven months according to that lot of maniacs.

Best form of protest I can think of right now are the physical protests (is there one in London on Saturday? I am free for the first time in ages this weekend, is there somewhere I can get details?) – write to the MP – and looking at the requirements and restrictions in place, doing what Lord Sumption said and considering the wider context when looking what you do in relation to those restrictions.

Thanks. Genuinely want to know about protests in London this weekened if I could get info?

213336 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to sky_trees, 4, #253 of 2222 🔗

Could the March visit Imperial College?

213383 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cecil B, 10, #254 of 2222 🔗

Maybe they should and have placards saying “DEFUND IMPERIAL COLLEGE”

213352 ▶▶ ambwozere, replying to sky_trees, 1, #255 of 2222 🔗

Found this on Twitter re a march in London. I don’t know what Stand Up X are like as an organisation but this seems to be the only one being advertised currently.

StandUpX on Twitter: “Unite for freedom march on Saturday 🌟 join us on our next March starting at Crystal Palace station 31.10.2020 12pm! #londonprotest #london #WeDoNotConsent #pandemic #fakenews #lockdowns #StandUpX #boris #COVID19 https://t.co/2kEszFiJyI ” / Twitter
https://mobile.twitter.com/StandUpX2/status/1321144737504657410

213358 ▶▶▶ sky_trees, replying to ambwozere, 1, #256 of 2222 🔗

Thanks. I assume there will be a march this weekend, might be a case of waiting to hear more info, I would have thought this weekend would be the biggest yet.

213429 ▶▶▶ OpenYourEyes, replying to ambwozere, #257 of 2222 🔗

We are Stand Up X. We are the people! We are the power! We are the 99%!

213482 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to ambwozere, #258 of 2222 🔗

Will we have to rely on the Russians again for coverage

213982 ▶▶ Espedair, replying to sky_trees, 2, #259 of 2222 🔗

I enjoyed Dr. Murphy’s post too. As someone who always leaned left, I’d always thought it was about economic redistribution and protecting disadvantaged societal groups. It’s come as a bracing slap in the face to realise far too many on the left are also in favour of authoritarian micro-managing of our lives. I think the old left/right binary may be finally obsolete.

I also appreciated her words on Michel Foucault, whose ideas underpinned my own PhD and feature in much of my own research. I too was bemused to see his ideas being mischaracterised as only of value to the left. It seems to me that his technique of laying out the procedures by which power and knowledge are mutually reinforcing, finding expression in institutions which find a common interest in constructing certain regimes of truth are not particularly left or right wing but rather an often disturbing manual for how human beings can be oppressed by means other than top down state power. Like her, I listened with appalled fascination to Dr. Mike Yeadon’s excellent Delingpod interview and saw immediate parallels between his notion of convergent opportunism and the very things that Foucault wrote about from the 60s until his death.

213335 PompeyJunglist, 2, #260 of 2222 🔗

With ‘cases’ and Covid death data a tissue of lies and with excess deaths largely made up of lockdown victims perishing at home, I think respiratory illness deaths are what should be tracked.

Has anyone got a link to an updating graph that also shows previous years? I’m convinced that from June onwards 2020 will not diverge much from previous years.

Such a graph will be a great tool for making some cultists realise things are actually pretty normal right now and put the inevitable scare mongering of rising hospital admissions throughout Winter in perspective.

213342 Suitejb, replying to Suitejb, 7, #261 of 2222 🔗

Main stories on the Telegraph website page. Is there no end to this doom-laden, fear mongering.

213391 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Suitejb, 4, #262 of 2222 🔗

I’ve cancelled our DT subscription.

213345 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 32, #263 of 2222 🔗

Just seen the notice board at the Church. And, of course, the Remembrance Sunday service has been cancelled due to ruddy COVID.

The notice implores people to stand on their doorsteps and clap. I will not clap. As far as I am concerned this is a moment for quiet, dignified reflection not asinine, gormless seal-like behaviour. Thankfully, at 11 a.m. on Remembrance Sunday, I will be at work so I won’t have to listen to this cringefest.

213347 ▶▶ stewart, replying to kh1485, 12, #264 of 2222 🔗

is 11/11 not the perfect day to go out and protest? It would be the best way to honour those who died defending liberty.

213355 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to stewart, 19, #265 of 2222 🔗

Fair point. But those clapping probably have no bloody idea why they will be clapping. They will be the same goons who clapped for the wretched NHS. I take the same view of clapping at funerals – I find it ghastly. I’m doing my bit to protest every other day. As I say, in my opinion, this time should be one for quiet reflection. I am angered at the cowardly behaviour of the Church who will not even countenance a service at the village war memorial.

213422 ▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to kh1485, 2, #266 of 2222 🔗

It is disgraceful.

214878 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to stewart, 2, #267 of 2222 🔗

They died so that their zombie descendants could turn themselves into cringing muzzled morons.
Wear your face nappy with shame.

213351 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to kh1485, 11, #268 of 2222 🔗

ENOUGH clapping on doorsteps.

213368 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to kh1485, 4, #269 of 2222 🔗

Disgustingly disrespectful

213376 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to PoshPanic, 9, #270 of 2222 🔗

Agree, never understood the clapping. A 2 minute clap for the fallen, no thanks

213379 ▶▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to PoshPanic, 8, #271 of 2222 🔗

Akin to clapping a funeral cortege.

213460 ▶▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Pancho the Grey, 2, #272 of 2222 🔗

IIRC, the “minutes’s applause” was introduced at football grounds due to there always being a few idiots not respecting the silences if a rival ex-player had died. No justification for it anywhere else but that seems totally forgotten.

213509 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Pancho the Grey, 1, #273 of 2222 🔗

Absolutely! Crass beyond words.

213372 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to kh1485, 7, #274 of 2222 🔗

We will Remember our Fallen without the need to clap. This is the first year we have not seen any poppies for sale. I have now ordered a poppy flag which will be displayed on the front of our house.

213405 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #275 of 2222 🔗

i bought some at a local m&s/BP petrol station, and did so without wearing a mask; then smiled at the very helpful cashier and thanked the establishment for ‘carrying’ the item.

213377 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 2, #276 of 2222 🔗

Oh deep joy.

Thankfully I will be working that day so will not have to put up with this nonsense. Will remember in my own way.

213387 ▶▶ Gillian, replying to kh1485, 11, #277 of 2222 🔗

Is the Cenotaph ceremony at Whitehall not happening? It’s one of the few BBC things I still always tune into. It is very dignified with the wreath-laying and then the march past by veterans. Always thought-provoking. My mother, who is 92, lost her older brother on active service in Burma in December 1944. She was 17 and he was 21. I only know him from black and white photos. He left no family. Once my mother passes, he will continue to live as a person in my mind, the only person alive who will still think of him.

213396 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Gillian, 8, #278 of 2222 🔗

The Big Reset means eradicating all British values and customs.

213407 ▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Bella Donna, 6, #279 of 2222 🔗

It’s looking like yet another one of the ‘convergent opportunist’ interests are indeed at work.

213397 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Gillian, 3, #280 of 2222 🔗

I think I read recently that it won’t be, but happy to be proved wrong. I was referring to the local service in our village.

Agree, with regards to the BBC. It was about the only thing I ended up tuning into – dignified and respectful.

213413 ▶▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Gillian, 27, #281 of 2222 🔗

Gillian, (and others) please remember that there are only 28 MPs who now have the right to lay a wreath at ANY war memorial. Any MP outside those 28 who nobly voted against these coronavirus restrictions who lays a wreath at ANY war memorial monument is a hypocrite of the first degree.
Johnson, Hancock and all the rest of the disgusting evil crew ought not even to be there.
Our parent and grandparents did not prosecute two world wars to a successful and victorious conclusion in order that we should be bossed about by yellow-jacketed jobsworths.

213427 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Stephanos, 4, #282 of 2222 🔗

Excellent point. Wish I could uptick more than once.

213463 ▶▶ Burlington, replying to kh1485, 3, #283 of 2222 🔗

The preacher for Sunday’s service will be nailed to the notice board outside.

213635 ▶▶ Basics, replying to kh1485, 3, #284 of 2222 🔗

Yes deplorable abhorramce. Using guilt and national rememberance to once again solder group think into the nation. Viscious bastards promote such things.

213849 ▶▶ leggy, replying to kh1485, 2, #285 of 2222 🔗

I’ll be at my local memorial.

213356 Adam, 1, #286 of 2222 🔗

Enough is enough get rid of this government now I can no longer tolerate the incompetent ass Johnson no longer https://www.remove-the-tory+government.org

213357 Nigel Sherratt, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 1, #287 of 2222 🔗

AZT is used in this LS issue to stand for Azithromycin. Surely it is much more commonly used to stand for highly toxic Zidovudine used in AIDS treatment with often fatal results?

213386 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #288 of 2222 🔗

In Round-up New paper confirms the Holy Trinity of HCQ + AZT + Zinc is an effective treatment.

213424 ▶▶ 2 pence, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #289 of 2222 🔗

I had a very bad bronchial infection 18 months ago.
Temperature 39.6 C.
GP prescribed Azithromycin

213360 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 18, #290 of 2222 🔗

Has it occurred to you that the nearer we get to the US Election and Brexit the more hysterical SAGE and MSM get?

213370 ▶▶ Gillian, replying to Bella Donna, 9, #291 of 2222 🔗

Yes. Things will settle once Trump is re-elected and after 31 December. Calmer days in January.

213393 ▶▶▶ Mike, replying to Gillian, 8, #292 of 2222 🔗

Really hope so…but I have a sneaking suspicion that we’re in for a bumpy ride over the next few months

213401 ▶▶ Margaret, replying to Bella Donna, 5, #293 of 2222 🔗

I’ve thought for a long time that this would be the case Bella and Gillian.

I think Sage in particular are getting more and more desperate. They know that they are going to be hoist with their own petard very soon. They are desperate for a lockdown so that they can give that as the reason when their projections don’t materialise.
“ Look what could have happened”

213363 Henry, 1, #294 of 2222 🔗
213365 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 6, #295 of 2222 🔗

Those hoping for the return of sanity in a post-lockdown world should put not their faith in Jackanape Johnners the Poundland Churchill.

213485 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Stuart, 2, #296 of 2222 🔗

Poundland Churchill.. that’s a keeper!

213374 Pancho the Grey, replying to Pancho the Grey, 33, #297 of 2222 🔗

Wasn’t it less than a fortnight ago that a certain Mike Yeadon predicted that London rates would not follow the same rise as the north, and that the northern “second waves” would start dropping too. Don’t you just love a scientist who makes a testable prediction, and even better, don’t you love it when he seems to be right.

213385 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Pancho the Grey, 17, #298 of 2222 🔗

And don’t you just wish he was in charge of the overall response, a British Tegnell to guide the ship into calm waters, instead of what we have now: Sir Cloudesley Shovell wrecking the entire fucking Royal Navy on the Scilly Isles.

213381 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 7, #299 of 2222 🔗

Yesterday US made 4.700.000 PCR tests.That is more than 1% of US population in one day.Only 1.69% were positive resulting in 81000 “cases”.Deaths around 1000 but US has had stable death the since several months. This is testing madness.

213395 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to swedenborg, 2, #300 of 2222 🔗

And it STILL just gets reported as raw case statistics, with constant moronic headlines about “record case numbers”

213398 Stephanos, replying to Stephanos, 24, #301 of 2222 🔗

While it is heartening to learn that another anit-lockdown group has been started AND it is supported by numerous high-level and highly qualified people, there is one group that is absent from all of this, unless I am very mistaken.
Where is the Church? Where is the Archbishop of Canterbury, the Rt. Rev Justin Welby? Where is the Archbishop of York? Where are ANY of the Bishops?
As I remarked yesterday in these columns I went to church last Sunday, maskless and NOT observing anti-social distancing, and I challenged one clergyman on the callous indifference of the clergy to the very real sufferings experienced by the ordinary people of this country; apart from a rather weak agreement (how could they disagree?) I received little response. Yes, there are individual Christians helping out where they can but where, o where, is the prophetic voice of the Church? Where are the Isaiahs, Jeremiahs, Hoseas and so forth?
I too have written to my MP and pointed that he has had THREE opportunities to vote against these Coronavirus regulations and has used NONE of them. My emails have frequently been very blunt and I have called him a ‘party apparatchik’. To his credit he has often responded.
With few exceptions (28 to be precise, and I must mention the Rt Hon. Sir Desmond Swayne in despatches) our MPs have shown that they do not care about the people of this country at all. And nor do our clergy. The Church of England has failed the people but none of the other denominations are any better.

214884 ▶▶ annie, replying to Stephanos, 5, #302 of 2222 🔗

The callousness of the Church is utterly shocking, equalled only by its nauseating hypocrisy.
Our rector made no protest when a member of our congregation, a wife of fifty years, was forcibly kept away from her dying husband’s bedside, but wrote a long message denouncing racism when BLM started their nonsense.
I told him what I thought of him.
He hates me.
I don’t care.

214913 ▶▶▶ Kristian Short, replying to annie, #303 of 2222 🔗

I love you Annie x

214968 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to annie, 2, #304 of 2222 🔗

Agree. Had a chat with a vicar and it was like trying to get blood out of a stone – it was platitude after platitude after platitude with no effort to try to engage with logic or common sense.

The Church of England has been nothing but a mouthpiece of the state. Even from the word go. And none of the other denominations are any better, they should all be ashamed of themselves.

Time to take back control. I say Christians should channel the spirit of those from the first century AD!

216371 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Bart Simpson, #305 of 2222 🔗

Remember that ‘the church’ is the body of people who, throughout the ages, have chosen Christ as their exemplar and guide. It is not an institution nor an organisation.

216367 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Stephanos, #306 of 2222 🔗

I have stopped going to church. I am – or rather was – a chorister and my main reason for going was a love of traditional Anglican choral music. I have no desire to sit in a socially distanced church with masked people who are not allowed to sing. It would be like attending a Quaker meeting in an operating theatre. As Trollope so rightly put it in ‘Barchester Towers’ – ‘if there is no music, there is no mystery; if there is no mystery, there is no God.’

213399 Julian, replying to Julian, 3, #307 of 2222 🔗

Recovery – sounds promising but where’s the website – hopefully to come once launched

A good group of names, broad church, people harder to attack

213402 Julian, 8, #309 of 2222 🔗

Mass tracking and testing if it involves any coercion or persuasion is a form of lockdown. We know this, but most people don’t think of it like that. Make the point to them, whenever you can.

213403 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #310 of 2222 🔗

Love the sound of “Recovery”. Is there a website or Twitter? Thank you

213409 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Country Mumkin, #311 of 2222 🔗

I can’t find anything

213471 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Julian, 3, #312 of 2222 🔗
213473 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #313 of 2222 🔗

Hope this is something people feel they can unite behind. X x

213490 ▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #314 of 2222 🔗

Great, thanks for this. You will find you can join and there is also a form where you can state your opinions on Covid.

213691 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jae Coverdale, replying to Basileus, 1, #315 of 2222 🔗

I have just joined.

214281 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ DomW, replying to Jae Coverdale, #316 of 2222 🔗

Me too

213406 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 8, #317 of 2222 🔗

The melancholy of an empty car park, on a Thursday morning in late October. Where are all the people, why is the coffee shop now gone. It feels like mid December without the cheer.

I suppose i should be grateful that i still have a job, though it feels like a temporary delay of execution.

Surely now is the time for a “pants down – come out ” direct action rally at Imperial College London. They can afford the bad press they have strong financial backing..

213584 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to nickbowes, #318 of 2222 🔗

Piers Corbyn had a rally there a few weeks ago. Only a handful of people bothered to turn up.

213408 Julian, 4, #319 of 2222 🔗

Pessimistic this morning. Government going in wrong direction entirely. The pressure on them is building but it needs to be way higher to make a difference. We need all of the Tory press to be slaughtering the govt daily in editorials and for them to stop publishing doom laden headlines (left-leaning press as well, if they want). I think it’s going to be a few more months

213410 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 6, #320 of 2222 🔗

Kate Bingham, Berserker Rapture Bunnie extraordinaire, has a screed in the Lancet.

Scribble, scribble, scribble until the Berserkers can prick, prick, prick.

As she proclaims in an immortal phrase, “No-one is safe until we are all safe.”

Safe from whom, or what?

213415 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Stuart, 2, #321 of 2222 🔗

Quite simply, that means “no one is safe until we are all dead.”

213411 Dan Clarke, 11, #322 of 2222 🔗

Rat on your neighbours, friends and family, say one of the Police chiefs. Lockdown the country, say SAGE. Who would that help when the West is devoid of Business. Swathes of Europe are being locked down, are they still producing food or will we need to get it from elsewhere when the shortages begin? And from where. People still think one life is worth it.!!

213414 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #323 of 2222 🔗

Can someone quickly explain to me the false positive rate for PCR? An elderly relative’s hairdresser has “tested positive and is self-isolating” and I’d just like to pour some oil on panicking waters.

213432 ▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #324 of 2222 🔗

The answer, unfortunately, is “it depends”. The false positive rate for the test itself is around 2%: that is, 2% of people who are truly negative get a false positive result. But your relative’s hairdresser is interested, very naturally, in the chance that he or she personally truly has the disease after a positive test. And that depends on the prevalence. There are two possible scenarios.

If they have reason to believe they have, or might have been exposed to the disease in a social or work context, then something like 10% of such people probably actually are positive. So roughly 12% of tests results for those people are positive, of which 10% are true and 2% are false. So the chances of someone in that situation with a positive result being truly positive are roughly 10/12, say 80%.

On the other hand, if they are taken from the population at random, say taking the test in order to travel, that’s a group where about 0.1% of such people probably actually are positive. So roughly 2.1% of tests results for those people are positive, of which 0.1% are true and 2% are false. So the chances of someone in that situation with a positive result being truly positive are roughly 0.1/2.1, say 5%.

213436 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Richard Pinch, #325 of 2222 🔗

Thank you very much!

213496 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Richard Pinch, #326 of 2222 🔗

But that 2% is presumably based on reasonably well conducted sampling and testing procedures. The quality of the operation could affect it dramatically.

And of course a true positive does not necessarily mean having active disease or being infectious, either, though that is subsumed in your point about prevalence, I suppose.

213523 ▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Mark, #327 of 2222 🔗

Quite so.

213416 Alci, 5, #328 of 2222 🔗

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/10/29/take-survey-tell-us-think-governments-coronavirus-response/ ?

I had fun answering this. Telegraph survey on the government response to pandemic.

Please fill out!

213419 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 49, #329 of 2222 🔗

Just seen a headline on one of the daily rags: We cannot thank you enough … ‘ Wills and Kate salute NHS heroes’. Really, really?

Yeah, thanks for all the cancer diagnoses missed; thanks for all the hospital appointments and necessary operations cancelled; thanks for all the doctor’s appointments not now permitted. Again, words fail me …

213421 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to kh1485, 6, #330 of 2222 🔗

News of all of that wouldn’t have reached them and never likely to. National disgrace swept under the rug

213430 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 31, #331 of 2222 🔗

I find it cringing that even the royals are having to kowtow to the Church of the NHS.

Lionel Shriver is right, the UK must be the only country in the world that worships and sanctifies its health service. Other countries don’t see the need to and they have far superior systems than ours.

And of course this obsession with a virus has meant that all other conditions have not got a look in and we’re now paying the price.

This worship has got to stop. Of course the royals can’t break ranks but we the people should stand up, say enough is enough and stop this worship of the No Health Service.

213452 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, 16, #332 of 2222 🔗

Totally agree. It should be there for us, not the other way round.

The NHS has caused so much misery in my life and for my business to be thought acceptable collateral damage to ‘save’ it outrages me more than I can say.

It needs a radical, massive overhaul.

213458 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 5, #333 of 2222 🔗

Agree and this should be a wake up call to carry out long overdue root and branch reform.

214425 ▶▶▶▶ chris c, replying to kh1485, 2, #334 of 2222 🔗

You’re far from alone.

I know far more people who were treated like crap, including the dead ones, than who actually received decent treatment

213437 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to kh1485, 20, #335 of 2222 🔗

I never thought I’d say this but after the Queen dies I cannot see any point in continuing with the Monarchy.

213445 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bella Donna, 11, #336 of 2222 🔗

That’s exactly how I feel. They are a busted flush. Only use is as a sort of posh soap opera diversion from the crapfest!

213479 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #337 of 2222 🔗

Agree completely.

213487 ▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #338 of 2222 🔗

Have to agree with that. What follows her isn’t too appetising.

213525 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Bella Donna, 8, #339 of 2222 🔗

I have been coming to this conclusion. I have always been pro-monarchy, but it seems it may have been just pro-Elizabeth ll. The others all put together will never match her.

213537 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Bella Donna, 23, #340 of 2222 🔗

Queenie didn’t wear a muzzle when she visited Dstl Porton Down a short time ago.

That can’t have been an oversight, and if it wasn’t an oversight it was a massive statement. She gets a bow from me for that one.

The trouble with her descendants is that they are not very bright, and even less worldly wise.

213573 ▶▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #341 of 2222 🔗

I’ve always been a Royalist but I now agree with you ,leave the Queen to see out her reign then abolish the Monarchy take back all lands and house owned by them ,or at the very least we keep a monarch but get rid of the rest of them and under no circumstances allow that crank Prince Charles to be king

213478 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to kh1485, 15, #342 of 2222 🔗

Me and Mr TT have become increasingly anti-Monarchy over the last year or so. Pretty sick of the ‘fragrant’ Kate, in her pretty floral Boden-esque attire and perfectly styled hair playing happy families with her mental health/green new deal activist husband (he with a D notice on his extra-curricular activities). That’s before we even mention the two grifters in California.

213492 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 7, #343 of 2222 🔗

Oh yes. I thought Hilary Mantel was a bit cruel about her a few years ago when she described her as a “mannequin”, but that description is particularly apt right now.

And as for the other two, they are just beyond a joke.

213495 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to kh1485, 1, #344 of 2222 🔗

Ditto. She was ahead of the game on that one.

213518 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to kh1485, 1, #345 of 2222 🔗

Wasps(White Anglo Saxon protestants) oh and”medically examined” virgins as well.

213545 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 11, #346 of 2222 🔗

Have to say I agree 100% with the dislike of the younger Royals expressed here.

Like you, I’ve always supported the institution of the Monarchy, and I still do, just about, based on the Ultimate Argument for the Monarchy (see below). But watching all the Royals younger than the Queen herself, and noting Her own refusal (understandable though it is) to take any stand over the key foreign policy and constitutional issues of our time – Iraq, Brexit, panic lockdown, it is with ever decreasing enthusiasm and ever-increasing holding of my nose.

The Ultimate Argument for the Monarchy is: President Blair.

The existence of the Monarchy, for all its negative aspects, at least prevents the most loathsome individuals around from ever achieving the post of Head of State. There will always be Someone at least to whom they have to defer, even if it is only in formal settings. That’s not nothing.

213781 ▶▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to Mark, #347 of 2222 🔗

Are you sure there would be enough people mad enough to vote for a President Blair? I get the broader point, but currently we have a government which is nominally answerable to a head of state who doesn’t get involved. At least a directly elected head of state would have to have an eye to the electorate.

213815 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Andrew Fish, 3, #348 of 2222 🔗

Having lived through the Blair era I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever that he would have won a Presidential election in the late 1990s/early 2000s.

Remember this is the man who lied us into a catastrophic war of aggression, was generally recognised as having done that, and yet was voted back into office two years afterwards by nine and a half million Labour-voting hypocrites and apologists for war crime.

Now granted, many of those aforementioned hypocrites and apologists for war crime probably would have balked at actually voting for him personally, rather than hiding behind the fact they were voting for his party, but before 2003 he would have won a presidential election in this country absolutely hands down against any plausible opponent.

I write that as someone who absolutely loathes him and almost everything he did and stood for.

It is (or should be) a refutation of any inclination to maintain illusions about democracy, which is itself mostly illusory, and at best a useful tool and perhaps the least worst form of governance that is in practice available. Though that last can of course be reasonably contested.

213854 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to Mark, #349 of 2222 🔗

I think there is a difference between voting for a party and voting for a person. People may have continued to vote Labour in their constituencies after the Iraq war, but a lot of that vote was about party or about the local MP. Presidential elections are different, which is why in the US you don’t always get a result where Congress and the Senate go the same way as the presidency.

213864 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Andrew Fish, 1, #350 of 2222 🔗

There is of course a distinction between voting for a party and voting for a person, which I drew attention to myself. But it is, in our increasingly presidential politics, a distinction with less and less difference.

And in 2005 the fact is that anybody who voted Labour was voting to put a war criminal into office as Prime Minister. They knew full well that that was what they were doing.

213912 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to Mark, 1, #351 of 2222 🔗

The thing is, under our current system, it is incredibly difficult to get rid of the head of government. We can’t get rid of the head of state at all, of course, but if most of the actual power vests in government then that doesn’t really matter. Because of the presumed prestige of having the PM in your local seat, no sitting prime minister has ever been voted out (and only one – Balfour – has been voted out after their party left office). This also applies to a lesser extent to ministers, which means that the cabinet as a whole can function in defiance of public opinion because their own seats are safe. When a government does something contentious, as with Iraq, or with our present situation, it doesn’t necessarily mean that all MPs of the party are tarnished. The reasons for this are sometimes local, sometimes about other policy areas, but even if you reduce the vote to being about the one issue it’s still not that simple. After all, would you consider someone who voted for Claire Short in 2005 to be tacitly supporting the Iraq War? What about if they voted for one of the many Conservative MPs who voted with the Blair government on the matter? The only real alternative for people for whom the Iraq war was a primary issue in 2005 was the Lib Dems and most people correctly felt this was a wasted vote and would not change the Government (and I speak as someone who voted Lib Dem in 2005).

A president is, by contrast, a much easier target. If we had a president and we gave them the final say on matters of foreign policy then the public could readily vote them out whilst keeping the underlying government intact. We’d still have the same problem in areas where the Government dominated policy – witness the perennial problem with the US healthcare system – but they would be accountable in the areas where they had impact.

That said, I don’t think we’d want to adopt the US system here. When people think of an elected head of state they tend to assume the American model, but if we looked round the world I’m sure we could find a better one somewhere. Maybe we could even make it illegal for someone to stand for the presidency if they’d ever been part of the Government, although I’m not sure whether that would be a good or bad thing. One thing is certain, however, I’m not looking forward to King Charles III.

213836 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Mark, 5, #352 of 2222 🔗

My view too. As my father used to call him – Princess Tony (make of that what you will!) – is/was the only thing that kept me being pro-Monarchy. However, the Queen’s offspring do make you now wonder whether it could be any worse? If only we could nominate the Princess Royal – she gets my vote ahead of her brothers and nephews.

213871 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #353 of 2222 🔗

Yes, Princess Anne would be the least worst imo as well.

I agree that it’s hard to imagine a politician much worse as an individual than the Royals currently in the US, and the others aren’t much better, but we are likely to get a t***er either way, so we might as well keep the cap on political slimeballs’ ambitions in place, I think

213510 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to kh1485, 1, #354 of 2222 🔗

Stomach churning cap doffing and boot licking.

213423 Oldschool, replying to Oldschool, 9, #355 of 2222 🔗

I am done!
It doesn’t matter what we discuss here in our echo chamber of skepticism
It doesn’t matter about the facts of false positives, actual IFR, age or health of the unfortunates that have actually died or the negative effects of lockdown
It doesn’t matter if 1000s of eminent scientists and doctors write papers that the reaction to the pandemic is wrong and completely overblown
It does not matter if economists warn of millions of unemployed, millions of people plunged into poverty
It simply does not matter!
Every country in Europe is plunging it’s citizens into further lockdowns, they are further restricting their peoples rights and destroying hard won freedoms
There will be no end to this until the vaccine, I will not be able to travel to see my family, my kids will not be able to see their grandparents and all the other little joys that make life worth living will be curtailed until big pharma get their thirty pieces of silver and the politicians can wash their hands of the mess they have created
So here is my arm, put the bloody needle in it now, give me the vaccine stamp in my passport or bar code tattooed on my arm if you like because whatever the vaccine does to me cannot be worse than this crap

213428 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Oldschool, 4, #356 of 2222 🔗

Gotcha!

Next…

213441 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to stewart, 10, #357 of 2222 🔗

Or as Farinances would say – “man down”

213433 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Oldschool, 23, #358 of 2222 🔗

Stop it! It’s the same for all of us. Everyones lives are affected. Those responsible should be hanging from lampposts, you should feel bloody angry not defeatist!

213448 ▶▶▶ Oldschool, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #359 of 2222 🔗

I am bloody angry but I don’t see any other way out of this, I had hope that the that a better understanding of the disease that we have now and the number of experts coming out as sceptics would prevent the stupidity we are seeing across the continent but we are back to square one
There are only 2 ways out of this now, massive revolt of the people and removal of governments or the vaccine with or without health passport
I do not see any real revolt so vaccine it is

213457 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Oldschool, 9, #360 of 2222 🔗

The vaccine, however, is going to be the next endless headless-chicken slanging match*, because people (The People) have a superstitious faith in “the vaccine”, but it’s increasingly clear that the vaccines are being developed to mitigate symptoms not prevent infection or transmission, so they are not (to use yet another tired phrase) a “silver bullet”. The “lockdown until the vaccine” brigade are going to be seriously disappointed – and eventually helpless in the face of public anger.

Revolt it is. This year? Nope. Next year? Maybe. Year after that? Probably. We’re in this for the long haul.

(*Can headless chickens slang? I’m not sure.)

213489 ▶▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Oldschool, 9, #361 of 2222 🔗

Vaccine with health passport is not a way out of this.

Compliance with any of this – including taking the vaccine and using the health passport is only going to leave us in a deeper hole. If we take this ‘solution’ there will be no way out and frankly all those who are compliant will deserve it.

213927 ▶▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Saved To Death, 4, #362 of 2222 🔗

Deeper hole indeed! Firstly, the vaccine is only designed to lessen symptoms. So we must live with this virus (a taboo suggestion). Although the vaccine will be administered it will be of little consequence anyway as thousands will not take it. Boosters are required and people won’t take them either.

Health passports will be the tip of the iceberg as biometric surveillance of our movements will bring further rules in their wake. There is no salvation that I can see. It really is as bad as many people on here predict. Winter respiratory illnesses will make the fear become entrenched and safetyism normalised.

It all calls for a winter of discontent on the streets!

213453 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Bella Donna, 16, #363 of 2222 🔗

We have got to hope that when the furlough scheme ends on Saturday to be replaced by a “mish mash”of “pick and lose” payments, it will dawn on people that they haven’t got enough money to pay the bills and put food on the table and at last a much delayed backlash will begin.

213461 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Fingerache Philip., 12, #364 of 2222 🔗

Indeed, when it starts hitting people in the pocket and the stomach, that might help.

213577 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #365 of 2222 🔗

Remember the establishment can print endless amounts of their money to bribe people with – that will never be a problem.

Problems will start when supply chains fall apart and goods become scarce. Also society will eventually start to fracture if people can’t see their relatives.

213466 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Bella Donna, 11, #366 of 2222 🔗

They will be hanging from lampposts. It’s just a question of when, not if.

213443 ▶▶ sky_trees, replying to Oldschool, 21, #367 of 2222 🔗

I have times feeling like that. For me it sometimes come down to a choice of suicide, or fight. Why should I ‘run away’, even if the tide is against me? I don’t want to live like this, so I will fight, because I don’t want to run away (suicide/threatening to move to another country/whatever). Don’t care about how much is stacked against me. It’s either run, or fight, and I currently choose the latter. Fuck ’em.

213455 ▶▶▶ Oldschool, replying to sky_trees, 4, #368 of 2222 🔗

I went to a protest a few weeks ago in Bucherest against masking of children in schools
Here in Romania children over five must mask up, even in the classroom while at school and also on the street in certain areas
To me this is obvious child abuse and should be fought against
There was around 100 people there on a weekend day, it was pathetic, that was when it started to dawn on me that the people were not going to end this stupidity and we were lost

213535 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Oldschool, 6, #369 of 2222 🔗

There was a report on masking children and the terrible effects it has on their brain development. Perhaps this is their intention to deliberately impair their intelligence. The sooner Dr Fuellmich begins his Crimes Against Humanity Charges the better.

213459 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to sky_trees, 1, #370 of 2222 🔗

And so say all of us.

213530 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to sky_trees, 3, #371 of 2222 🔗

If we bow out, they win. That just can’t happen. We all have to stay the distance, or we let everyone else here down. Now that would be selfish wouldn’t it.

213464 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Oldschool, 7, #372 of 2222 🔗

That is exactly what ‘they’ want you to think. No, No, No!

213465 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Oldschool, 19, #373 of 2222 🔗

Come on… don’t vote him down. The poor fellow is having the same horrible day lots of us have had at some point. It would require some form of supernatural power not to feel this way from time to time.

He needs support, not condemnation.

213467 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Oldschool, 4, #374 of 2222 🔗

So, the plan is working?

213474 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Oldschool, 11, #375 of 2222 🔗

It all matters. It’s a shitty situation and many of us feel exhausted and low on optimism to some extent at different times. I certainly didn’t understand in the beginning that we would still be up to our necks at this point, but we are only 7 months in. Imagine if our predecessors had given up every fight (intellectual or military) for freedom and rationality after a matter of months.

The vaccine won’t be the end. At least not the first few versions of it and if eventually an effective one is found it will be far too late for our freedoms and society. Give up if you must, but don’t imagine that you will be allowed the life that you value as a reward for rolling over. Stick with us- there is still everything to fight for.

213484 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Charlie Blue, 7, #376 of 2222 🔗

History will vindicate us.

214488 ▶▶▶ chris c, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #377 of 2222 🔗

Vaccines. Once you pop you can’t just stop.

The MSM are still portraying The Vaccines as the only way out but it won’t be the end, just the beginning of something else. Health passports. Have you taken your statin today? Do you eat meat? Or do you “base every meal on starchy carbohydrates”?

213483 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Oldschool, 4, #378 of 2222 🔗

Just go and see your family, it really is that simple.

213567 ▶▶▶ Oldschool, replying to nottingham69, 3, #379 of 2222 🔗

Unfortunately if I want to see my family i would need to quarantine for 2 weeks in the UK and then quarantine for 2 weeks in Romania when I return, basically I need a month to spend one day at home.

213502 ▶▶ GorbalsGirl, replying to Oldschool, 15, #380 of 2222 🔗

Na, my grandfathers didn’t fight in two world wars just for our generation to throw in the towel because they don’t want to cause a scene in Tesco!

My father’s father didn’t survive a Japanese POW camp to defend the freedoms of British citizens just for those frightened civilians to abjectly surrender my children’s civil liberties over a phantom menace.

Man up and get a grip. British people have overcome far worse than this and we will do so again!

213512 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Oldschool, 5, #381 of 2222 🔗

All of those things you mentioned will count once public opinion decisively turns, which it will do.

It has already been made clear that any vaccine will not bring current measures to an end.

213557 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Oldschool, 7, #382 of 2222 🔗

I know how you feel but we have to stand our ground and fight. It doesn’t matter if the rest of the world is against us.

I’m the only one in my work who doesn’t wear a muzzle (due to exemptions) and I’m possibly the only one who is a sceptic but I’m not going to let it get to me. I try to use whatever limited platform I have to let people know that they’re alone and that they have the power to say no.

We also hold the power in various ways – voting with our feet and wallets to boycott businesses and institutions who have swallowed the propaganda whole and treat their customers and visitors appallingly in the name of “safety.”

Also furlough is ending and there are more than enough signs that the economic and social fallout will be far, far worse than deaths due to the virus. We can only hope then that people will soon wake up.

213574 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Oldschool, 5, #383 of 2222 🔗

Thing is, as tiring as it is resisting this, there’s no point in capitulating.

I don’t believe the powers that be have any intention of returning to ‘normal’ or ‘allowing’ us to do the things that make life worth living. They’re either covid obsessed or up to something more sinister, who knows.

We might as well resist and try to do the things that make life worth living anyway, and if we bring as many people along with us as we can, a return to normal will be forced in the end.

213585 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Oldschool, 5, #384 of 2222 🔗

That’s what they want, to break your spirit and turn you into a slave.If you think a vaccine will end this then you are very much mistaken.Digital I.D comes with the vaccine and that combined with digital money is the end of freedom as we know it.

213993 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Oldschool, 1, #385 of 2222 🔗

I understand the sentiment, but a one-off vaccine won’t end this crap.
The ‘until we have a vaccine’ part of the narrative was parroted everywhere right from the start , to persuade and convince the populace that it was the only route out.
But it is really only the start.
Sorry to say…

213426 GuyRich, replying to GuyRich, 9, #386 of 2222 🔗

It’s good to see that Michael O’Bernicia, and his Private Criminal Prosecution, was given a mention in the round-up today.

213469 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to GuyRich, 3, #387 of 2222 🔗

Follow development here. Also some interesting advice on masks in the workplace:

https://www.thebernician.net/critical-thinking/

213913 ▶▶▶ GuyRich, replying to Basileus, 2, #388 of 2222 🔗

This has apparently appeared on his facebook page. I will update when confirmed on his blog as I don’t have access to FB:

COVID-1984 PCP UPDATE | The office of the secretary of state for mandatory vaccinations has now admitted in a Freedom of Information Request [FOI] that the government lurgy has never been proven to exist. Yes, you did read that correctly.
To put this in perspective, this is akin to the UK banks admitting that they never lend any money, when we started alleging that against them more than a decade ago.
It therefore doesn’t take much effort to work out that the pressure the Private Criminal Prosecution has placed upon every MP has catalysed the beginning of the end for this treacherous Parliament.
When Wankock’s office has already confessed that COVID-1984 policies are entirely founded upon that which they cannot prove to exist, no MP is capable of successfully pleading not guilty to our allegations of fraud.
After receiving more evidence from witnesses to government crimes, the initial drafting of the court papers will now be completed by close of business tomorrow.
The final drafting will be done over the weekend and Monday has been set aside by our legal team for the information to be laid in a criminal court, with summonses to follow without delay.
The People will also seek an order placing the accused under indefinite house arrest, until a jury finds them guilty as charged and relocates them to Belmarsh and Durham jails.
If such an order for house arrest takes effect on or by the 5th of November, that would give us all a Guy Fawkes night to remember, in celebration of the metaphorical blowing up of a criminal Parliament and the end of COVID-1984.

213431 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 9, #390 of 2222 🔗

France.Macron stated that all persons entering France will be screened at the border, airports to stop importing this deadly disease. He must be aware of that at least 100000 per day is infected in France and that the virus is already endemic. How can a few passengers from abroad really contribute to their epidemic? Entry screening is not even safe. All shouting for effective passenger screening should think about the recent Moscow airport fiasco. 270 Russian fishermen were screened before a flight to NZ. Two were positive and denied flight all others negative boarded the plane. Landing in NZ and in the 2 weeks isolation about 30 became pos.

213450 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to swedenborg, 6, #391 of 2222 🔗

I’m sure he is well aware, but this policy will be popular with people who don’t think.

213477 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to swedenborg, 9, #392 of 2222 🔗

Funny isn’t it, back in June Macron said he would never lockdown France again. Here we are four months later and he is locking France down again for a virus 99.98% people survive! Who knew politicians lie!!

213566 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to FlynnQuill, 1, #393 of 2222 🔗

The French population seem to be some of the least rebellious when it comes to Covid restrictions. What is wrong with them? the only time they seem to protest is when they want more state handouts, are they happy living under a dictatorship again? Has there actually been any mass anti lockdown protest in Paris?

214496 ▶▶▶▶ chris c, replying to Darryl, #394 of 2222 🔗

Where are the Gilets Jaunes when they need them?

213439 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 7, #395 of 2222 🔗

Listening to “In our time” on BBC R4 and 1 of the contributors mentioned that the black death wiped out a third of the population in the 14th century.
The experts would have us believe that Covid is worse than that.

213807 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #396 of 2222 🔗

If you google “Great Famine 1315-1317” you’ll find that famine due to CLIMATE CHANGE wiped out between 10% and 25% of Europe’s population.

And yet we’re told that a continuation of the modest warming over the past century or so is likely to cause an unprecedented global climate catastrophe.

213442 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 9, #397 of 2222 🔗

That letter to his local MP is very, very spot on. If anything that should be circulated far and wide because I can imagine that the letter writer’s experience is far from unique.

We are staring at the edge of the Abyss with two days to go before furlough ends and with more jobs and businesses scheduled to be lost and go bust.

Meanwhile in my workplace, the Unions have rejected the plan for my workplace to reduce its pensions contribution and so individual consent was sought. I replied back to say that I was agreeing to the reduction as at the moment I’m more concerned with keeping my job rather than the off chance of getting more worthless loose change in the future.

Nothing yet about compulsory redundancies but it will come.

It angers me that so many people are still asleep and that they’re still asking for another lockdown.

What part of lockdowns don’t work do they not understand?

213480 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #398 of 2222 🔗

But, in the words of my MP, “one person’s cough, is another’s death knell” so we have to carry on trashing absolutely everything …

They really couldn’t give a stuff (Sir Desmond Swayne excepted).

213534 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 4, #399 of 2222 🔗

Agree. They’re not of this world and don’t care about the damage they’ve caused.

213446 chaos, 1, #400 of 2222 🔗

Winge winge winge…

Imagine how he’d moan if he had a real illness like long covid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqUAJBd-rKc

213449 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #401 of 2222 🔗

The video above about intelligence says it all doesn’t it?

213494 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #402 of 2222 🔗

Around half of the UK population have an IQ less than 100. Think that’s bad? In Africa around half the population have an IQ less than 70. The cut off for the UK forces is or was 80. Northern Italy perhaps has the highest IQ in Europe and the far east has the highest in the world, yet China seemingly has an inability to innovate or design. This is likely cultural. Ashkenazi (European) Jews perhaps the highest IQ possibly partly or wholly due to a genetic trait amplified by inbreeding.. a trait attenuated for other ethic groups who interbreed.
Men have a flatter wider bell curve generally so we produce more geniuses, artists, scientists,… and more thickos. Women have a higher narrower bell curve so are more concentrated around the mean, thus fewer thickos and geniuses. Women are interesting enough that we can take them to the cinema etc and pretend to listen to them warble on before giving them an ugly baby or two before divorcing when they go off (women age like bread not wine).

Today I am mostly offensive. And my sprit animal is the skunk.

213506 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to chaos, 4, #403 of 2222 🔗

Having spent a great deal of time with Africans in Africa, including haggling with market traders, I can assure you that those IQ stats for Africa are nonsense.

It’s just more theory, more modelling.

As for lack of Chinese ability to innovate, you should take a look at Prof Joseph Needham’s multi-volume history of Chinese science if you get the time.

213551 ▶▶▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to calchas, 5, #404 of 2222 🔗

Indeed – there’s a tendency to view today as if it were all of history.

The Chinese don’t innovate for two reasons: 1 they don’t need to as their manufacturing industry makes a fortune from IP theft and 2 a society built on conformity will never be innovative.

But historically they are one of the world’s great innovators, certainly up until the late Middle Ages, so nothing “genetic” going on.

213593 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Jakehadlee, 2, #405 of 2222 🔗

2 a society built on conformity will never be innovative.

I’m of Chinese ancestry and this is true.Their traditional education system is built around rote learning and this stifles all initiative and critical thought. Add in family pressure to keep people on the straight and narrow and hence why even their young are afraid to think for themselves and step out of line.

213515 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to chaos, 6, #406 of 2222 🔗

People can perform well in an IQ test but have no life skills, common sense or compassion. Or integrity or courage. I know which characteristics I value most. None of them could be encapsulated by a two or three digit number.

There are many women here who stand by you and contribute more to the sceptic effort (and indeed countless other worthwhile endeavours) than a thousand men combined. Strange that you should want to put them down, even if you are channelling your spirit skunk today.

213572 ▶▶▶ Mike, replying to chaos, 1, #407 of 2222 🔗

Good choice on the skunk!

213456 stewart, replying to stewart, 23, #408 of 2222 🔗

This isn’t a conspiracy. It’s a socialist revolution.

it’s the left wing ideology of collectivism coming back in a new form.

It’s the same group of people driving it: elites who know what’s best for others, university intellectuals, clergy, technocrats all supported by the unwashed masses.

Plenty of clever, well-educated people supported communism 60 years ago. Did they know about the gulags, the purges, the repression? Of course they did. They just justified it.

This is the same. The silicon valley elites genuinely believe this is all good because it will lead to a more perfect world driven by technology. The university intellectuals think capitalism has run amok, believe it causes evil like global warming and are happy to see it pushed back. You can’t make an omelette without breaking eggs, right?

The media is full of lefties. Politicians will just jump on whichever bandwagon takes them to the top. And the dumb braying masses will just follow whoever appears to be strongest.

Confinement, masks, endless rules and diktats – these aren’t means these are ends. It is the perfect manifestation of collectivist ideology.

They aren’t winning. They have already won.

213498 ▶▶ calchas, replying to stewart, 8, #409 of 2222 🔗

Not yet they haven’t.

Nor can they win long-term, because we know their bankrupt ideology has been proven not to work so many times.

213553 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to calchas, 8, #410 of 2222 🔗

They haven’t won yet, but once the financial system moves fully digital and is linked to facial recognition and social credits, mankind will effectively be slaves to the elite.

People need to make a stand and get on with their lives now – not be bribed with Christmas – this is simply another psychological trick.

213470 nickbowes, 6, #411 of 2222 🔗

I notice that the “R”rse rate has stabilized here in the North East, amazing – hospitals are still empty and tumbleweed blows over barely used “testing” sites. Meanwhile “flu” has almost vanished as an autumnal illness and people still are unable to see a doctor or dentist.

The “Sage” group of highly paid and internationally sponsored boffins continue, with evermore ferocity, to lobby for further draconian measures on the private sector.

213472 John Stone, replying to John Stone, 4, #412 of 2222 🔗

A year after Event 201 we really do have to look at Karl Schwab, the World Economic Forum etc. Boris Johnson was mouthing Great Reset platitudes in his conference speech: it was trailed by Prince Charles in June. I don’t really know whether those two gentleman understand what are they are talking about, but to their own devices these people are not going to make it alright, they are going enslave humanty in a Thousand Year Reich.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_EDV_7s7Dc&feature=emb_title&ab_channel=StandforHealthFreedom

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/message-of-hope-for-humanity/?utm_source=salsa&eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=78ee0021-8bed-43d4-8ae4-46c5a2259a06

213546 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to John Stone, 3, #413 of 2222 🔗

The Great Reset is clearly underway – just don’t expect any resistance from the controlled media and journalists who rely on them to make a living.

If there are any journalists who don’t want to be tracked and chipped slaves they will have to speak out soon – sadly I think most are in on the scam – they haven’t exactly been critical on the brutal crackdown on lockdown sceptics around the world.

213475 Dan Clarke, 5, #414 of 2222 🔗

Obviously the FEAR FACTOR, worked in the beginning, but its dangerous to still be thinking its about a virus.

213493 calchas, replying to calchas, 10, #415 of 2222 🔗

“‘Second Wave’ Has Claimed Lives of Just 17 People Under 40″
I have to say I don’t think this should be the headline.

It is wrong in so many ways.

It gives credence to the idea of a ‘second wave’

It gives credence to the idea of a continuing pandemic, whereas I think that the current covid death figures are those dying who have tested positive in the last 28 days. This is supported by the Euromomo data, which shows nothing unusual.

I actually think 17 people under 40 could be construed as quite a large figure, given what we know about the age distribution of this, Somebody might say :
” Well if 17 people have died, then how many over-75s are dying?”

Sorry for what may seem like nitpicking, but I mean to be constructive.

Having made those points, my great thanks to Toby and Will for all that you are doing in fighting the good fight, and to all of my fellow commenters at LS.

Friends, we will win this,

213514 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to calchas, 5, #416 of 2222 🔗

I agree. Each time we use these terms we tacitly validate them. This isn’t a second wave, 17 people died having tested positive for the Covid but that may not be the cause of death and I expect it is a perfectly normal number of deaths in that age range for that period.

213497 tallandbald, replying to tallandbald, 13, #417 of 2222 🔗

Just had the first batch of papers “The Light” arrive to start delivering to local area.
Let’s see if they open a few eyes.

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213511 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to tallandbald, 1, #418 of 2222 🔗

Wonderful, should get mine soon

213528 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to tallandbald, 2, #419 of 2222 🔗

I would like to get involved. Are you delivering to residences or cafes etc?

213579 ▶▶▶ tallandbald, replying to Sarigan, 1, #420 of 2222 🔗

Delivering to both. Only got a few this time because that’s all that was left on the print run. We will be getting more soon.

My wife was contacted by Facebook group “power to the people UK”.

According to the paper distribution enquiries – lightdistribution@mailbox.org

213783 ▶▶ Melangell, replying to tallandbald, 1, #421 of 2222 🔗

Who are the people behind this paper? I’m interested in reading and distributing it around Stalag Wales (when people are allowed to crawl out of their burrows again) but want to be sure it’s from a reputable source.

213998 ▶▶▶ tallandbald, replying to Melangell, #422 of 2222 🔗
214908 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Melangell, #423 of 2222 🔗

Gulag please, not Stalag.
England has the Fascist junta.
Wales has the Stalinist Politburo.
Granted, totalitarianism always lands its victims in the same hell, whether they start from the left or the right.
But for the sake of accuracy…

213499 Chicot, replying to Chicot, 14, #424 of 2222 🔗

Thought that Toby Young was finally moving away from the “it’s all a giant cock-up” explanation with his acknowledgement of Yeadon’s and Delingpole’s arguments but he then asks the question “who benefits” and all he can come up with is the makers of test kits and China?! Really? That’s it? No mention of Klaus Schwab and the WEF who have actually stated that they see Covid as an “opportunity”? No mention of the vaccine king, Bill Gates, whose donations are scattered far and wide to many of the players in this farce (WHO, Imperial College, BBC, etc…)? No mention of Big Parma who can turn their billion dollar industry into a trillion dollar industry with the prospect of the entire world’s population “needing” to be vaccinated at least annually?

213504 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Chicot, 9, #425 of 2222 🔗

Two possibilities

  1. He wants to continue writing articles for the mainstream e.g. The Telegraph. And doesn’t want to be relegated like his mate James to the naughty step of the UK Spectator and no-man’s land aka Brietbart.
  2. He’s wrong.
213505 ▶▶▶ Kath Andrews, replying to chaos, 4, #426 of 2222 🔗

I like to think it’s option 1.

213555 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Kath Andrews, 1, #427 of 2222 🔗

Probably

I also think it really doesn’t matter much at this stage

213508 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Chicot, 6, #428 of 2222 🔗

You forgot our friend sir Patrick, £800k of shares…..a conflict of interest…nah…ppffttt.

Even if people do not want to step off the ledge and join all of the dots at the very least sir Patrick and his soon to be bulging wallet needs to be shouted from the rooftops!!!

213556 ▶▶ Athanasius, replying to Chicot, #429 of 2222 🔗

I took it to be a joke.

213570 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Chicot, 6, #430 of 2222 🔗

Those who believe it’s all down to incompetence need to explain why we are facing the implementation of a police state as the policy to cover up a panicked response to go into lockdown.
Gates is involved that much is obvious but this is beyond one man.I also feel it goes beyond the WEF as well.Why would well run nation States like Germany destroy themselves?

213501 stewart, replying to stewart, 8, #431 of 2222 🔗

Want to DO something? Answer this Telegraph poll and send a message.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/10/29/take-survey-tell-us-think-governments-coronavirus-response/ ?

Come on, let’s load the survey with sceptics.

Everyone: CHARGE!!!!

213532 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to stewart, 2, #432 of 2222 🔗

Just had a quick look and will come back to it later. Unfortunately it is heavily loaded against sceptical responses.

213542 ▶▶▶ Bobblybob, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #433 of 2222 🔗

there’s lots of free-text boxes though. Although be aware that they won’t accept many characters, even though it doesn’t tell you the limit, and the i’m not a robot at the end appeared half way up the screen for me, had to scroll about to find it.

213568 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to stewart, 18, #434 of 2222 🔗
213569 ▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to stewart, #435 of 2222 🔗

I spent time filling it it but it wouldn’t submit, so wasted my time.

213581 ▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Pancho the Grey, #436 of 2222 🔗

It’s got one of those “I am not a robot” things – I had to scroll half way up again to find this…

(Telegraph: crap GUI alert!)

213582 ▶▶▶ Henry, replying to Pancho the Grey, #437 of 2222 🔗

If on a mobile, once you click enter, you have to scroll up to the middle of the page to click ‘i am not a robot’ for it to submit.

213758 ▶▶ Old Normal, replying to stewart, 1, #438 of 2222 🔗

I doubt they’ll print any of my responses but it felt good to rant!

213918 ▶▶▶ VickyA, replying to Old Normal, 1, #439 of 2222 🔗

I enjoyed filling in the text boxes – it was cathartic. Questions were crap generally though.
Wancock got both barrels!

213797 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to stewart, 2, #440 of 2222 🔗

I told them I wanted to give Matt Hancock minus numbers but their scoring system didn’t allow it.

214924 ▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to thinkaboutit, #441 of 2222 🔗

What examples of Wanksock’s idiocy did you cite for your reasons? I picked his claim that as malaria still existed, herd immunity wasn’t a thing

213503 Burlington, 9, #442 of 2222 🔗

On 27 October 2020 Lord Sumption delivered the 2020 Cambridge Freshfields Lecture entitled “Government by decree – Covid-19 and the Constitution”. I hope many of you will have already seen this. https://youtu.be/amDv2gk8aa0

213517 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 2, #443 of 2222 🔗

Here is some Covid news which probably won’t get much coverage on Radio 4. Covid ‘cases’ and Covid deaths declined in Ireland last week

It was the first dip in case numbers since early July – more than 25% down – i.e from 8,231 to 6,061.

Deaths were down by 22%. Down from 36 to 28.

This is by my count so don’t take what I say as gospel – I’d like my figures “peer reviewed”. I tot up weekly figures each Wednesday.

Ireland went into almost full blown lockdown I believe on the 21st. I don’t know if that could have impacted so soon on cases? – but I don’t see how it could curbed the numbers dying.

Should we take much note of one week’s figures? Sin é an ceist.

213531 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ned of the Hills, 3, #444 of 2222 🔗

Add to that the fact hospitals are over 30% down on capacity over this time LAST YEAR

So PCR casedemic is even falling and hospitals are not overrun in any way.

It’s a scam. Has to be.

213536 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #445 of 2222 🔗

Can you give a link for that table please?

213703 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to calchas, #446 of 2222 🔗

Go to Leo Varadkars twitter. He tweeted it. They basically have to have a campaign to get people to still come to hospital. You couldn’t make it up.

213519 calchas, replying to calchas, 2, #447 of 2222 🔗

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/top-uk-scientists-warn-many-or-all-covid-19-vaccine-projects-could-fail-first-gen

I don’t think this is about a vaccine primarily.It never was.

A successful vaccine, assuming one is possible or needed, would render unnecessary the instituted measures of social control.

These measure sare needed for the financial reset.

213522 ▶▶ chaos, replying to calchas, 1, #448 of 2222 🔗

This financial reset seems to not include China.. directly.

213529 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to chaos, 5, #449 of 2222 🔗

China already has the necessary social control over its people.

China as the largest sovereign international creditor and largest holder of gold (including its people), is of course intimately concerned.

213539 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to calchas, 2, #450 of 2222 🔗

The vaccine is key because it leads to the digital/health passport.The spin is already out there that we will need regular shots.Gates talks about your vaccine history so implying more than one.
With the digital/heath passport comes the end of freedom.Already trialled in China and its the same ,only China’s gives you your social credit score

213552 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to calchas, 1, #451 of 2222 🔗

The shadowy Vaccine Centre based at the London School of H&TM (Imperial College’s usual suspects are enthusiastic members) wants the whole world population to be vaccinated for all diseases – maybe 500 vaccines plus in a lifetime if some are annual. They’re mad! Or very greedy.

213759 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to OKUK, #452 of 2222 🔗

Both..

213751 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to calchas, 1, #453 of 2222 🔗

It was always about the vaccines; it just didn’t need to be an effective or safe vaccine. It’s the same playbook as endlessly repeating lockdowns. If your first and second jab don’t work, it just means you surely require constant annual booster vaccines. A captured populace and constant repeat business for Big Pharma.
And if you don’t keep your immunity passport up to date, it becomes a passport to nowhere.
There is method in their madness.

213521 chaos, 13, #454 of 2222 🔗

Tracey Emin ravaged by cancer. Imagine if she had covid. People with cancer these days don’t know they were born. I’m sick of their selfishness and their tumors. There are cold cases, rising cold infections out there, people who mostly have no symptoms at all. Lifting weights. Working. Having sex twice in an hour. Stacking shelves. Shooting bolts through cows in abbatoirs. People with cancer – stop being so selfish!

213524 Mike, replying to Mike, 9, #455 of 2222 🔗

We are being bribed with Christmas and conditioned to accept the new normal ‘or else’. If it wasn’t so detestably sinister it would be worth applauding for the brazen audacity of these cretins….Carrot or stick on a national scale!

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-tough-action-needed-now-170613958.html

213540 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Mike, 6, #456 of 2222 🔗

And yet, the extent to which people care about Christmas gatherings shows how much we crave social contact. That is our ultimate hope, that at some point, human nature will impose itself and we will not stand for this madness any longer.

213590 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to stewart, 1, #457 of 2222 🔗

They don’t care about it very much if they can be bought off with one day a year.

213550 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Mike, 2, #458 of 2222 🔗

My turkey is already on order, and it’s large.

213559 ▶▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 4, #459 of 2222 🔗

I have ordered my box of two crackers.

213596 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Pancho the Grey, #460 of 2222 🔗

Got ours and I don’t like Christmas.

213629 ▶▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Fingerache Philip., #461 of 2222 🔗

Things have gone way beyond any question of our actual personal feelings about Christmas. Christmas is now a symbol and action of the resistance.
In fact we should maybe start Christmas tomorrow and keep it up, remorselessly, until all lockdown measures are officially lifted.

213563 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 7, #462 of 2222 🔗

Will your butcher be expected to report people ordering suspiciously large turkeys? 🦃

213586 ▶▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to karenovirus, 3, #463 of 2222 🔗

Don’t give them ideas 😉

213601 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to karenovirus, #464 of 2222 🔗

Will vegetarians and vegans be exempt?

214569 ▶▶▶▶▶ chris c, replying to Fingerache Philip., #465 of 2222 🔗

Always

213602 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to karenovirus, 2, #466 of 2222 🔗

Quite possibly, although luckily we always get our turkey from my mother in law’s local turkey farm which is about 150 miles from us. Hopefully it’ll be enough to throw track and trace off the scent!

Unless they implant some form of tracking device into it 😬

213613 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 1, #467 of 2222 🔗

Yes but what about the Turkey liberation front?

213685 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to karenovirus, 3, #468 of 2222 🔗

Government expects to launch a turkey vaccine any day. This will prevent turkeys from serving more than six people. This has been confirmed by The Science ™

213619 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 1, #469 of 2222 🔗

Turkey for Christmas? How modern! It’s goose for us!

214578 ▶▶▶▶ chris c, replying to Mr Dee, #470 of 2222 🔗

Pheasant over here (I have a friend who shoots). Pheasants and partridges make a good second crop for the farmers, and they put out grains and grow seed crops which also benefit the wild birds.

I noticed one local farmer who usually does Norfolk Bronze turkeys didn’t have any this year. More income lost.

213526 Janice21, replying to Janice21, 6, #471 of 2222 🔗

I think it was mentioned here in the earlier comments, but a young man aged 19 has died of/with (we will never know) Covid here in N Ireland. They haven’t disclosed if he had any underlying health conditions, although I would be certain he would have had.
I dont want to undermine his death but I fear that that one statistic will be used through the media to scaremonger even more.

213541 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Janice21, 3, #472 of 2222 🔗

Do you remember Jimmy who went to get his frisbee from the power sub-station? We don’t seem to warn kids about those anymore. Maybe cos they are all too fat to climb the railings or welded to their playstations. Hula Hoops and breaksdancing arrived in Northern Ireland about the same time as covid so maybe the lad was trying to retrieve his frisbee?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KryOYburlFI

213561 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Janice21, 7, #473 of 2222 🔗

Edit – he was actually 17 and they have released an image and more information…..he had a condition called Cushing Syndrome…..quote ‘he had tested positive for Covid-19 last month and last week received a negative test result but had taken ill on Monday night’.
So it wasnt because of Covid!!! Fucking bastard media twisting headlines!

213571 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Janice21, #474 of 2222 🔗

Where did you read that? Any links?

213599 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Janice21, 4, #476 of 2222 🔗

Releasing an image makes him a poster. I would come back and haunt any civil servant who made my image a poster for their cause. I am sorry for him.

213610 ▶▶▶▶ Janice21, replying to Basics, 1, #477 of 2222 🔗

Fully agree

213565 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Janice21, 3, #478 of 2222 🔗

I live in the town he was from and yes, it’s almost immediately being held up as you would a martyr. All the attention must be horrendous for the family. “Where are all the tin foilers now, thoughts and prayers” on social media. That sort of thing.

He was, it has been suggested, suffering from a condition that is more behavioural than physical I will say. So it’s unclear. He was a shielder as well, as they’ve been called.

So could well be a genuine case of death due to a respiratory virus. The other thing I’d been told was that he was waiting on a ventilator.

90% of people who have died in the NHS Trust are over 65 and 65% over 80. He was the first person under 40 to die. 1 person under 40 in an NHS ward covering 305,000 people.

214584 ▶▶▶ chris c, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #479 of 2222 🔗

Remember the headlines when a 9 year old “died of covid”? Turns out it was a 109 year old, some software couldn’t take a 3 digit input

213533 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 7, #480 of 2222 🔗

Great news about Recovery – a heavyweight team. This is a test case for the BBC:

1. Will they report on it? I mean now, not in two months under some obscure heading.

2. Will they report on it positively as they do with BLM, XR and Rashford’s campaign?

3. Will they remain ideologically committed to Lockdownism and seek to destroy the campaign using all the ideological tools at their disposal: Reality Check, Disinformation Unit, collaborations with leftist media outlets like Buzzfeed and sneering “news” reports from non-journalists such as Mark Easton?

I think we can dismiss 2 out of hand but Recovery should put BBC, Sky and ITV on notice that they expect fair and reasonable treatment.

213588 ▶▶▶ Kath Andrews, replying to Mark, 1, #482 of 2222 🔗

Just joined up – thank you for the link.

213543 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 3, #483 of 2222 🔗

ONS slipped in a little correction to the percentage increase of deaths that MSM salivated over:

28 October 2020 09:50
A correction has been made to the percentage change of deaths involving COVID-19. This has changed from 761 deaths involved the coronavirus (COVID-19), 287 deaths higher than in Week 41 (a 68.5% increase) to a 60.5% increase. We apologise for any inconvenience caused

213672 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Sarigan, #484 of 2222 🔗

So, the Office for National STATISTICS struggles with STATISTICS. Good to know.

213548 peyrole, replying to peyrole, 11, #485 of 2222 🔗

Greetings from house arrest in south west France.
The expected news from Micron last night has not gone down well , especially with Mrs Peyrole, however a trip this morning to stock up the wine cellar has revived spirits a little. This afternoon its to Le Clerc to get the vitals before our new sentance begins.
Those face masks really did the job!

213597 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to peyrole, 2, #486 of 2222 🔗

Out of interest, why is there so little fight back from the French? is it because so many are employed by the state? they seem to take to the streets quickly and in large numbers for a pay increase.

213631 ▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to Darryl, 8, #487 of 2222 🔗

Can’t speak for Paris ( in particular) or large cities. In our area , which is quite rural with small towns and two small cities , in the first incarceration, people gradually started acting as normally as possibly quite quickly without making much noise about it. France , outside Paris, tends to act like France with the EU, it takes the good bits and tries hard to ignore the rest.Bars and restaurants closing is the worst aspect for most French. Schools will generally stay open, people tend to stay around their department anyway, working from home isn’t really applicable as most are farmers, local authority ( which covers all utilities), small retailers ( somehow most seem to be ‘necessary’), and a lot of self-employed or micro business operators, who tend to just keep going.
The problem the authorities/police have is that the rule of law prohibiting groups etc cannot enter people’s homes. Which is the main driver for the worst of the prohibitions regarding movements, like an hour at a time from your home etc. Given the number of vehicles parked outside houses in an evening in the first incarceration, I think many ignored it knowing that no-one could legally enter the home.I assume after the first week or so, the same will happen.
So its a passive fightback, until something happens that disturbs the important thing for a Frenchman; food, drink and sex. Then he will be on the streets, and that won’t be pretty.

213682 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to peyrole, 2, #488 of 2222 🔗

Thanks for the update.

Have to be honest I find it pretty amazing how passive the French have been. On the plus side I have met several French people at anti-lockdown protests in London, so a few still value individual freedom over statism.

213554 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 6, #489 of 2222 🔗

Bobby Ball: RIP.
died of complications of a chest infection but OF COURSE, HE WAS TESTED AND WAS POSITIVE FOR, ETC.

213580 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #490 of 2222 🔗

Just saw that story on the Independent too. No mention of comorbidities. So another that died with but not of covid.

213591 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to The Filthy Engineer, 1, #491 of 2222 🔗

Same old same old.

213612 ▶▶ davews, replying to Fingerache Philip., #492 of 2222 🔗

Bobby who?…. another celeb I have never heard of.

213632 ▶▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to davews, 1, #493 of 2222 🔗

You would if you were old enough. Massive in the 1980s.

213638 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Lucan Grey, #494 of 2222 🔗

And very, very funny in “Not going out” as Lee Mack’s feckless father.

213637 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to davews, 1, #495 of 2222 🔗

Cannon and Ball? Definitely of the 80s.

213643 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #496 of 2222 🔗

ROCK ON,TOMMY.

213630 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #497 of 2222 🔗

He had breathing difficulties and was rushed to hospital. All that has been released was a positive Covid test.

But the MO is Covid-19 whether you like it or not.

This virus is nasty and it does kill people in the BB age bracket.

213640 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Lucan Grey, #498 of 2222 🔗

This is what we are up against.

213707 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Fingerache Philip., #499 of 2222 🔗

Crimes against comedy???

213743 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to stefarm, #500 of 2222 🔗

I thought he was very funny in “Not going out” as Lee Mack’s father.

213560 chaos, replying to chaos, 4, #501 of 2222 🔗

If Klaus wants no ownership.. I can see how the banks could confisacate homes not yet paid for. But what about those who own their homes?

213598 ▶▶ Jo, replying to chaos, 1, #502 of 2222 🔗

Down the line they will just take them anyway, after taking all the savings of anyone has has them. people probably “allowed” to remain in their own homes but will have to pay rent

213614 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Jo, 7, #503 of 2222 🔗

These are the darkest fears. It has troubled me.

It is only his wish/vision. It is not what is happening or will happen.

I have spent time with these thoughts in my head and it’s not helpful. I’m not saying we shouldn’t be aware of this psychopathic Ideology, I just feel it is beneficial to concentrate our energies on what we can do, to make life how we want it to be.

213616 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Country Mumkin, 3, #504 of 2222 🔗

We’ll said, CM! If we get mired in thoughts about the worst case scenarios we won’t be alert to opportunities to pre-empt them.

213607 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to chaos, 1, #505 of 2222 🔗

They still give up their ownership in return for being allowed out into the world.
And if they don’t, they get thrown into “quarantine facilities” and their property confiscated anyway.

I can’t see the majority of people going along with this, but if you’re meaningless, and the military and police are involved, it won’t matter.

213708 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to chaos, #506 of 2222 🔗

Sign them over to your friendly government official in return for your freedom

213578 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 2, #507 of 2222 🔗

The following article discusses aerosol transmission of the virus.

https://english.elpais.com/society/2020-10-28/a-room-a-bar-and-a-class-how-the-coronavirus-is-spread-through-the-air.html?ssm=TW_CC

The coronavirus is spread through the air, especially in indoor spaces. While it is not as infectious as measles, scientists now openly acknowledge the role played by the transmission of aerosols – tiny contagious particles exhaled by an infected person that remain suspended in the air of an indoor environment. How does the transmission work? And, more importantly, how can we stop it?

It starts with the following:

Six people get together in a private home, one of whom is infected. Some 31% of coronavirus outbreaks recorded in Spain are caused by this kind of gathering, mainly between family and friends.

Irrespective of whether safe distances are maintained, if the six people spend four hours together talking loudly, without wearing a face mask in a room with no ventilation, five will become infected, according to the scientific model explained in the methodology.

If face masks are worn, four people are at risk of infection. Masks alone will not prevent infection if the exposure is prolonged.

I’m happy to be corrected but this sounds like nonsense to me. This is the kind of analysis that results in half a person in the results so they round up or down to include or remove them. How does everyone wearing masks stop 1 person from getting infected? It’s like saying 5 people standing in the rain will get soaked to the skin but if they all wear raincoats their chances of getting soaked to the skin are reduced so only 4 of them will get wet.

213605 ▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Nobody2020, -2, #508 of 2222 🔗

You’re right that as stated it doesn’t make sense. What might have been said would be something like “on average five people … on average four people …” or “we would expect five people … four people …” or “it is most likely that five people … four people …” (these are not quite the same thing, but convey the sense).

Probably what it meant is something like “the chances for each of the other people of getting infected in this situation are close to 100% … 80% …”.

I don’t say that any of those are true, of course.

213625 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Nobody2020, 2, #509 of 2222 🔗

It’s another model that assumes an effect of masks.

What it won’t do is factor in the touching of masks, or the waving of them around when they are taken off – which will release whatever was on the inside.

Or that the one who is infected will be breathing back in their viral shedding caught in the mask into other areas of the respiratory system – increasing their viral load.

They never model the network effect of having actual humans operating these things.

213710 ▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Lucan Grey, #510 of 2222 🔗

I don’t know what, if any, the scientific basis of this article was supposed to be. But we need to distinguish between “modelling” and “observation”.

213733 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Lucan Grey, #511 of 2222 🔗

Additionally, the water from a virus-laden droplet caught by a mask will soon evaporate.

Given that masks are supposedly quite a congenial medium for viruses, the virus will just sit there waiting to either be inhaled deeply into the mask wearer’s lungs or projected into the room.

I would think that a handkerchief or disposable tissues might be a better approach to source control.

213792 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Nobody2020, #512 of 2222 🔗

If you look at Carl Henegens piece from July it mentions the Norwegian Study. It basically makes the point that while studies suggest the masks are effective, unless you have everyone wearing them all the time everywhere (without mentioning risks) you may save 1 infection among 200,000 assuming 30% effectiveness. That’s at low prevelance levels.

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/masking-lack-of-evidence-with-politics/

There is an effect but its always just a ridiculous leap to then such a small effect will lead to the kind of lives saved some governments are claiming.

What if that one person who may have been protected from infection in the study you mention had taken it off at any point. Like to eat? Does that invalidate the claim if we are dealing with an infected environment?

The reason they have introduced them, save for control and compliance, is because its a low cost intervention in their eyes and sure it might work. No mass distribution scheme needed, make people buy their own. They fail to see the lunacy of such policymaking rigour and the trap it now has them in. Cases go up, it would have been worse.

213950 ▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #513 of 2222 🔗

That’s why I consider these kind of observations overly simplistic and not really illustrative of how things actually work in reality.

213587 Basics, replying to Basics, 5, #514 of 2222 🔗

More footage of tumbleweed blowing through a test centre, flo-vested goon hyper angry at being the nothing filmed. All wrapped up in a short clip.

https://twitter.com/eva_angel9/status/1321726204190380033?s=20

213639 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Basics, 3, #515 of 2222 🔗

This does rather beg the question as to where all these cases/test results are coming from?

It does rather look like something fishy is going on. Are they doing re-tests and counting that as an extra infection.
If there actually were/are 100000 +ve cases/tests per day but only 1000 going to hospital that would mean they have identified 99000 people who are so immune to Covid that they were asymptomtic or mild.
Am I being too simple with my maths? but that looks to me like they are saying that 90% of the population are immune to serious Covid, if so hurrah what are we worried about? keep calm and carry on!

213589 Lms23, replying to Lms23, 7, #516 of 2222 🔗

https://www.gatesfoundation.org/How-We-Work/Quick-Links/Grants-Database/Grants/2020/05/INV-004356
HOW WE WORK
GRANT
BACKPrint
Imperial College London
Date: May 2020
Purpose: to develop a biodegradable contraceptive implant
Amount: $2,699,443
Term: 31
Topic: Family Planning
Program: Global Development
Grantee Location: London
Grantee Website: http://www.imperial.ac.uk

https://www.gatesfoundation.org/How-We-Work/Quick-Links/Grants-Database/Grants/2020/07/INV-016635
Imperial College London
Date: July 2020
Purpose: to evaluate the potential efficacy of a Ribonucleic acid (RNA) vaccine against COVID-19
Amount: $1,080,771
Term: 6
Topic: Discovery and Translational Sciences
Program: Global Health
Grantee Location: London
Grantee Website: http://www.imperial.ac.uk

https://www.gatesfoundation.org/How-We-Work/Quick-Links/Grants-Database/Grants/2020/06/INV-002657
Imperial College London
Date: June 2020
Purpose: to design and test population replacement integral gene drives in containment
Amount: $3,375,098
Term: 36
Topic: Malaria
Program: Global Health
Grantee Location: London
Grantee Website: http://www.imperial.ac.uk

Imperial College London gets a lot of research grant money from the Gates Foundation…
https://www.gatesfoundation.org/search#q/k=Imperial%20College&sort=rec

RNA vaccines are a new technology, which hasn’t been used before as far as I’m aware.
Imperial College are very good at pumping out Covid scare stories to keep the fear mongering going in the population and to put pressure on Boris. Today’s press release is that around 100,000 people a day are being infected. Does anyone know anyone who’s had it recently, or at all??
I wouldn’t now trust anything they come out with.

213713 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Lms23, 4, #517 of 2222 🔗

We haven’t had the virus and we don’t personally know of anyone who has had it.

213737 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Bella Donna, 1, #518 of 2222 🔗

Snap.

213594 Lms23, replying to Lms23, #519 of 2222 🔗

Huh.
My post, with links to the B&M G foundation, and grants to Imperial is “awaiting approval…”

213650 ▶▶ matt, replying to Lms23, 1, #520 of 2222 🔗

A first post, or a post with lots of links always needs approval

213657 ▶▶ 2 pence, replying to Lms23, #521 of 2222 🔗

Too many links in one post.
Happened to me as well.

213600 chaos, replying to chaos, 7, #522 of 2222 🔗

Articles today. Same as a month or three ago. Same old same old on TalkRadio.. same old points here and everywhere.. The Groundhog Great Greta Davos Reset continues..

213603 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to chaos, 2, #523 of 2222 🔗

What else can we do?

213624 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to chaos, 3, #524 of 2222 🔗

At least with the current restrictions Greta has been grounded for the time being.

213834 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to JHuntz, 1, #525 of 2222 🔗

I’m sure she’d be given an exemption if she wanted one. Strange that we don’t hear from her much these days, almost as though the mission has been accomplished.

213606 EssieSW, replying to EssieSW, #526 of 2222 🔗

Can anyone tell me when the next protest will be in London? Or how I would find out?
Thanks in advance

213777 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to EssieSW, 1, #527 of 2222 🔗

I periodically check these websites:

https://saveourrights.uk/upcoming-events/
https://www.standupx.info/
https://www.stopnewnormal.net/

It looks like there’ll be something in Camden on 30 October and in Battersea Park on 17 November.

213784 ▶▶▶ EssieSW, replying to mattghg, 1, #528 of 2222 🔗

That’s brilliant, thank you mattghg 🙂

214227 ▶▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to EssieSW, #529 of 2222 🔗

You’re welcome!

213608 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 7, #530 of 2222 🔗

The latest NHS update published yesterday showed that just one person under the age of 20, and another 13 under 40, have died with coronavirus in English hospitals since the start of September.

And of course the crucial word here is WITH and not OF. And again, knowing what we know about the sheer inaccuracy of Covid testing even these figures are subject to the ‘rubbish’ factor.

213620 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Harry hopkins, 3, #531 of 2222 🔗

We can see this, but others are completely blindsided by that fact.

213609 Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 8, #532 of 2222 🔗

Mark Drakeford interviewed on Wales Online.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politics/mark-drakeford-interview-rules-after-19182907

Interviewer: “Vietnam, a country of 93 million, has had 35 deaths in 2020. Wales has had 37 deaths announced just today. Why have some countries performed so much better than us?”
Drakeford: “Well, I think in some incidences it is culture isn’t it? It is the extent to which people are prepared to follow to the letter rules that government lay down. I have a feeling that there is a very different reaction in Wales to the non-sale of non-essential goods than there would have been in Vietnam. Because Vietnam is a society in which the government sets the rules and people stick by them. It is a different sort of society with a good deal more freedom and we expect, I think quite rightly, to live our lives without interference as much as possible and that brings risks with it but that also brings huge rewards.”

So Drakeford would prefer it if Wales was more like Vietnam, does he?

From Wikipedia:
[Vietnam] nevertheless faces challenges including corruption, pollution, poverty, inadequate social welfare and a poor human rights record, including increasing persecution of religious groups and human rights advocates and intensifying restrictions on civil liberties.

213618 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Mr Dee, 3, #533 of 2222 🔗

shooting fish in a barrel… increasingly these totalitarians actually shoot themselves in the barrel

213621 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Mr Dee, 3, #534 of 2222 🔗

Because Vietnam is a society in which the government sets the rules and people stick by them”

That’s because it is a brutal communist dictatorship and not a Free Society like ours.

Presumably we’d like to keep the Free Society bit.

213623 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Lucan Grey, #535 of 2222 🔗

But then you have those awful laws like Human Rights that the Government (pre Covid) is bound by.

214918 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Lucan Grey, #536 of 2222 🔗

Dungford wouldn’t.

213622 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Mr Dee, 7, #537 of 2222 🔗

That has to be one of the most scandalous and uneducated statements a politician could make. That is legitimate cancelling material if there ever was such a thing.

213754 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to JHuntz, 1, #538 of 2222 🔗

When it comes to scandalous comments, there’s some tough competition at the moment

213641 ▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to Mr Dee, #539 of 2222 🔗

In the Economist Intelligence Unit’s Democracy Index , Vietnam is 136th out of 167 countries and falls into their ‘Authoritarian’ category.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/01/22/global-democracy-has-another-bad-year

213646 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Mr Dee, 3, #540 of 2222 🔗

Barminess all round : Interviewer here assuming that you can make simplistic comparisons between countries with different population, climate and other variables.

213652 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Mr Dee, 4, #541 of 2222 🔗

That’s possibly the most asinine comment I’ve heard from a politician and it betrays what he really wants and thinks of the populace.

This should be circulated widely to expose this man for what he truly is just as “Bigot-gate” exposed Gordon Brown and Labour what they truly thought of their voters. And I won’t be surprised that once this shit show is over there will be a campaign to abolish the Assembly.

213662 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #542 of 2222 🔗

Please do. That’s why I’m posting it here. I don’t do social media, but everyone – please circulate, circulate, circulate.

There already is a campaign to abolish the assembly.

https://www.itv.com/news/wales/2020-06-24/senedd-abolish-assembly-gareth-bennett

213763 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Mr Dee, #543 of 2222 🔗

They love it, don’t they, the thought of all the little people obeying, without question.

213766 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Mr Dee, #544 of 2222 🔗

Politicians talk about “following the science” and then come out with these unevidenced just-so stories on the hoof SMH.

213802 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #545 of 2222 🔗

What an idiot. Vietnam is not doing well because of government saving people. Jesus.

214916 ▶▶ annie, replying to Mr Dee, #546 of 2222 🔗

Exactly like Dungford’s Wales, then.

213615 Lucan Grey, replying to Lucan Grey, 3, #547 of 2222 🔗

If the productive sector goes under, or suffers a massive contraction, many of the leeches will die when the money machine runs low on readies. This has not sunk in yet. “

It won’t sink in, because it simply isn’t true. Regrettably the “sound money” brigade haven’t yet come to terms with how a modern money economy works – despite decades of evidence that their beliefs do not conform to reality.

If the private sector shrinks, that means *more* capacity available to the public sector not less – as there are more people who can be hired to work on public projects (including replacing failed private output if required). All without touching taxes one bit. They then spend in the shops which keeps the actual productive sector going. Tesco’s cash registers don’t differentiate between money earned in the public sector, or money earned in the private sector. They take both and consider them equal.That then gets paid to Tesco employees, who get to keep their jobs.

And as we have seen throughout this crisis, we can keep the shops stocked quite happily with an awful lot of the so-called “productive sector” at home on furlough – which shows they weren’t actually that productive in the first place. Nobody is going to go hungry because we have less advertising, PR and marketing in the world. None of that activity is vital to feeding, clothing and housing the nation.

The trick is to manage the transition in such a way that when the private sector gets its mojo back (or is allowed to get its mojo back) it can hire the labour it needs away from the public sector at a reasonable price. And the way to do that is to make sure that the default wage is the living wage.

No 80% of pay – £10 per hour flat.

213633 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Lucan Grey, 3, #548 of 2222 🔗

I would dispute your claim that workers being furloughed demonstrates that they were not very productive at all.

They were not productive in directly feeding and clothing the nation, but human life is not merely the pursuit of feeding and clothing oneself. That is just an existence, and a poor one at that.

213642 ▶▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, #549 of 2222 🔗

The claim is that the productive sector props up the public sector and without it the public sector cannot operate. That isn’t the case. The productive sector is what we need to live.

The rest of the private sector is what we *want*, but we can do without for short periods if we need to. Those are the ones that were furloughed. That private sector can come and go as required. And should do to improve productivity.

213647 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Lucan Grey, 1, #550 of 2222 🔗

The private sector is doing more going than coming at the moment, and may take decades to come back. I really cannot see how that can be considered helpful, on balance.

213651 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Julian, #551 of 2222 🔗

You’ll be surprised how fast the private sector can come back. Have faith in the entrepreneurship of this country.

213671 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Lucan Grey, 3, #552 of 2222 🔗

It took decades after WW2

Tell that to people who have lost their jobs, businesses and who will lose their benefits and services when spending cuts come in, and tell that to people who have to pay more tax, and to sectors like public transport that will suffer from decades of underinvestment.

213681 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Julian, #553 of 2222 🔗

People who have lost their jobs would get a £10 per hour one immediately. Benefits and spending need not be cut because there is no reason to. More tax is unnecessary as there is no competition for resources. Investment can increase as there are more people spare to do the work.

See how you have the mantra backwards. Clearly the limit is what is available for sale in sterling, nothing else.

Try looking at things that way.

213645 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 1, #554 of 2222 🔗

Exactly. Who chooses what people should spend their time doing, what is “productive” and what is not?

We can do without nail bars and survive, but people who work in nail bars and people who use them obviously find the interaction beneficial. Who are we to tell them how to spend their time?

213655 ▶▶▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Julian, #555 of 2222 🔗

Nobody is telling them how to spend their time, they are very welcome to do so. And they will close if nobody turns up to buy their output – as is the case at the moment.

What we don’t do is use public money to prop them up because “what about the jobs”. Businesses should right size at the moment, bide their time and come back stronger when this nonsense is over. Assuming we want an operational capitalist system, rather than a pretend one.

213680 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Lucan Grey, 3, #556 of 2222 🔗

Ah but the government is doing exactly that – deciding what is essential and what is not. Whole sectors are going west.

I don’t believe, generally, in bailouts. But given that the government has screwed these businesses, I guess they ought to be helped. The correct solution is to end the restrictions and get back to normal, with extra help for those businesses most directly screwed by this.

213686 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Julian, #557 of 2222 🔗

Government is doing what the population apparently wants doing. Business has to conform to that.

And when we get back to normal business will bounce back. Business is a risky game. Don’t get into it if you can’t take the rough with the smooth.

213683 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Lucan Grey, 1, #558 of 2222 🔗

It isn’t simply the case that people aren’t turning up to buy their output through free choice though. They aren’t free to spend their time how they wish at all.

Governments are placing heavy burdens and restrictions on these businesses, and on the public. They are not able to operate due to government interference which is the very opposite to capitalism.

213693 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, -3, #559 of 2222 🔗

The government is doing what the people want doing – as the polls show.

Business is servant not master, and has to adapt to this situation. As it will rebound when, hopefully, the insanity passes.

213728 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Lucan Grey, 1, #560 of 2222 🔗

The government cannot do what ‘the people’ want, as ‘the people’ do not exist. Society is a collection of individuals and families, each with different wants and needs.

If we actually had a capitalist system, free from this overbearing government interference, it would determine more accurately what ‘the people’ want. You would not see the complete decimation of certain sectors as we see now, downturns perhaps.

213634 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Lucan Grey, #561 of 2222 🔗

Well – simple-minded economics sure ain’t going to solve any problems, any more than lock-ups.

213644 ▶▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to RickH, -1, #562 of 2222 🔗

Don’t engage in simple minded economics then. Learn how monetary operations actually work in the real world.

Then you’ll understand why what I say is the case – as Japan has been demonstrating for 30 years or more.

Otherwise “the other side” will run rings around you.

Anybody who says “we can’t afford X” will now be laughed at – and rightly so. Instead say “where are you going to get the people to do X”.

213659 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Lucan Grey, #563 of 2222 🔗

Japan has only managed to that because until relatively recently it could export to the rest of the world which was not doing that.

Japan is of course literally a dying society, with so few children being born.

213668 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to calchas, #564 of 2222 🔗

And the US for the last ten years – a net importer. And us for the last ten years – a net importer.

What I say explains all three. What you say doesn’t. What’s Occam’s razor?

213648 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Lucan Grey, #565 of 2222 🔗

Of course fuloughed workers were productive.

It is the buyer of a good or service who decides whether a seller was productive or not by choosing to buy or not to buy.

My decision to buy means that from my point of view the seller was productive.

213663 ▶▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to calchas, #566 of 2222 🔗

Correct. And the decision of lots of people not to buy causes them to close.

But we stopped that by paying 80% of wages. Why?

If the alternative job was available business could have resized their workforce to that required by the new normal – until things changed back again.

213656 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Lucan Grey, #567 of 2222 🔗

How about the evidence that printing money leads first to inflation then at the rate we will have to,to hyper inflation.Inter war Germany and Zimbabwe spring to mind.
Monetary policy somewhere along the line must keep in check with reality.

213665 ▶▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #568 of 2222 🔗

Germany owed in Gold. Zimbabwe gave their land to people who can’t farm.

Is either of that the case in the UK?

In which case you may have misunderstood what causes hyperinflation.

Bad pilots crashing planes does not mean heavier than air flight is impossible.

213678 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Lucan Grey, 1, #569 of 2222 🔗

Hyperinflation in Germany was directly a result of the Reichsbank printing money to pay people who weren’t working – the striking workers protesting French and Belgian occupation of the Ruhr -ie subsidising consumption, although production had been reduced.

That should sound familiar, because it is exactly what has been happening this year.

213696 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to calchas, #570 of 2222 🔗

It was because they lost their productive capacity and had to pay reparations in Gold.

In other words they had debt in a foreign currency. The UK doesn’t.

You’re comparing apples and pears I’m afraid. In the UK sterling can’t go anywhere else.

Anyway, for historians, you will recall that the French and Belgian armies then retaliated after the German default and took over the industrial area of the Ruhr – Germany’s mining and manufacturing heartland. The Germans, in turn, stopped work and production ground to a halt. The Germans kept paying the workers in local currency despite limited production being possible and you can imagine that nominal demand quickly started to rise relative to real output which was grinding to a halt. The crunch came when the export trade stalled and the only way the German Government could keep paying their treaty obligations etc was to keep spending. The inflation followed.

We’re not seeing that because, funnily enough, the high level of saving in sterling is more than offsetting the loss of output. In fact the two are congruent.

213750 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Lucan Grey, #571 of 2222 🔗

It is precisely because the UK has its debts in its own currency that hyperinflation is the line of least resistance.
If your debt is in gold or in foreign currency then hyperinflation brings you no debt relief

Sure,Weimar Germany had its external debts in gold, which made hyperinflation exactly useless in reducing the real value of that debt.

Your point about German productive capacity is exactly the point I was making.That productive capacity had been lost in the Ruhr as a result of the strike action of the workers which had been called for by the Berlin government. The central bank then printed money to subsidise the the consumption of the workers.

Net result: production greatly reduced + subsidised consumption = hyperinflation

The UK’s debts are in Sterling. the US has its debt in dollars, the Eurozone countries have their debt in Euros.Japan has its debt in Yen.

Hyperinflation or an equivalent currency reform suits them all.

213725 ▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to calchas, 2, #572 of 2222 🔗

Hyperinflation, or a currency reform with the same effect, is the inevitable outcome of all this -and it will be global.

The total value of all claims on capital plus the total value of all the claims on the goods and services produced by the capital, far exceeds the ability of the physical plane to produce.

The monetary plane and the physical plane must be reconciled.

Why now?

Because yields on investments are at all-time lows (negative interest rates), just as tens of millions of boomers are retiring or about to retire. If those boomers cannot live off the yields, then principal will have to be liquidated.

The bond markets of the developed world have been nationalized by the central banks to buy time and delay the inevitable.They are not real markets any more.The central banks are the bond market. The interest rate thermometer – the most important price signal in capitalism- has been disabled.

The central planners could attempt to head off hyperinflation by introducing price controls or perhaps controls on how much people can spend per day.The result of that would be a Soviet style collapse of production.

In my opinion, current events have given the central planners the beginnings of the social controls they will need to attempt to deal with the situation.

They will of course fail.

213760 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Lucan Grey, 2, #573 of 2222 🔗

Did you ever get around to answering the question here the other day from the treasury accountancy chap about how your magic money tree economics would interact with exchange?

213814 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Lucan Grey, 1, #574 of 2222 🔗

So we won’t go hungry at least. Is that what the promise is here?

213617 JHuntz, replying to JHuntz, 17, #575 of 2222 🔗

Just incase anyone is unsure about the restrictions in Scotland i’ve provided a helpful naming convention:-

Tier 0 – shit
Tier 1 – shitty
Tier 2 – shitter
Tier 3 – Shittier
Tier 4 – Shittest

213627 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to JHuntz, 2, #576 of 2222 🔗

Maybe you should send that to the idiots in Holyrood as they seem not to have a clue about their own insane policies.

213692 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to JHuntz, 6, #577 of 2222 🔗

Tier 5 – Most Shittiest
Tier 6 – Wall to wall shit
Tier 7 – Total Shit

213726 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Cecil B, 1, #578 of 2222 🔗

I really hope we don’t get to tier 7 but wouldn’t put anything past them at his rate.

213626 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 21, #579 of 2222 🔗

Piers Morgan:”I’ve been threatened by covidiots because I’m calling for a national lockdown”
AR, DIDDUMS.

213674 ▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Fingerache Philip., 17, #580 of 2222 🔗

Nothing stopping him doing a personal lockdown is there?

213699 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to FenTyger, 5, #581 of 2222 🔗

WELL SAID.

213676 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Fingerache Philip., 5, #582 of 2222 🔗

He loves the limelight just a bit too much.

213746 ▶▶ Mrs issedoff, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #583 of 2222 🔗

It would be for the good of the nation if this odious man locked himself away for ever. The only good thing he ever did was produce a sceptic son.

213948 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Fingerache Philip., 7, #584 of 2222 🔗

Was talking about him to my bf earlier. I really think he’s one of the most despicable actors in this crisis. There’s something very cynical about the way he’s gone about it – I feel as if he’s sensed that the UK is now just a health service with a country attached to it and he’s buying into the NHS false idol rubbish for popularity. I don’t think he’s an unintelligent man so I refuse to believe that he cannot understand the context behind the alarmist figures he retweets, or the fact that lockdown policies require a cost-benefit analysis.

The one crumb of comfort I have is that because he airs his views online, the internet will bear witness to how he has been complicit and even contributed to the deaths and misery of millions with his misinformation and scaremongering.

214543 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Poppy, 1, #585 of 2222 🔗

He’ll have been given a script, which will include the usual inconsistencies, u-turns, and self-contradictions.

213988 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #586 of 2222 🔗

Seems fair. You call for people to be put under house arrest, they threaten you back. What do you expect to happen when you try to have people incarcerated against their will and without having done anything wrong?

214111 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #587 of 2222 🔗

I thought he said he was fed up with being hated. He’s not helping himself is he!!

214188 ▶▶ ChrisW, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #588 of 2222 🔗

Piers Morgan:”I’ve been threatened by covidiots because I’m calling for a national lockdown”

Well Piers, by calling for a national lockdown you’re threatening the livelihoods of millions of people, you fucking prick.

214549 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #589 of 2222 🔗

Not quite sure this is what he meant ..

213628 RickH, replying to RickH, 4, #590 of 2222 🔗

I know repetition can get boring. But, in connection with the lead item (about the non-catastrophe), it really does need saying again that the classification of deaths by attribution to Covid is totally shot, and is still based as much on surmise as diagnosis.

This is a result of three mis-attribution factors :

  • the use of the PCR test which, even if accurate (big ‘if’) in diagnosing a significant SARs-CoV-2 infection, does not actually indicate cause of death.
  • the commonality of symptoms with other respiratory disease
  • our old friend – buggered registration procedures.

We know something significant happened in April to cause the unusual mortality spike. It is now fairly clear that the ‘dry tinder’ effect was a major factor influencing the figures and showing a marked age bias. But how much might be attributed to SARS is still pure speculation. Since then, the speculation has increased as we see a pretty normal autumn rise.

213654 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to RickH, 9, #591 of 2222 🔗

I can only wonder if the mortality spike was falsified death certificates. My neighbours friend got kicked in the head with her horse and sadly died in April and she said the family were outraged they put Covid on the death cert even though she had not been tested. I’ve heard other stories like this…….how and when will this all come out??

213747 ▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 3, #592 of 2222 🔗

I know repetition can get boring.

Boring, but sadly necessary, when the essence of the panicker communication is heavy, endlessly repetitive propaganda.

213771 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to RickH, 3, #593 of 2222 🔗

See BobT’s post from earlier re. the clearing of hospitals in March. It’s clear to me this was at least a major contributor.

213786 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to PoshPanic, #594 of 2222 🔗

Clearing of hospitals + Lockdown + (something we are calling ‘covid-19’) = rise in death rate.

Precise contributions of each factor yet to be determined.

213830 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to RickH, #595 of 2222 🔗

I doubt there is total reliance on PCR tests. It’s possible to use other means to cross reference numbers – if not individual deaths.

For example, the Male:Female Covid death ratio differs significantly from ‘normal’ death ratio. I’ve actually used this to show that it is possible that in some recent Covid recorded death cases, a PCR positive test was simply coincidental. .
.

213636 Janice21, replying to Janice21, 4, #596 of 2222 🔗

My GP surgery rang me yesterday telling me that there was a delay in them getting the flu vaccines for under 65 year olds and wanted to make an appointment for me for the end of November when they hope to have them in. I haven’t had the flu vaccine in a few years because my asthma was so mild and was told I didn’t need it anymore. Now they say I need it in case I get Covid and the flu together.
I normally wouldn’t mind getting the flu vaccine, I am not entirely anti-vaccine (although wouldn’t take the Covid one if they paid me). I can’t help but be paranoid about getting the regular flu jab this year. Has anyone else here had it?

213649 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Janice21, 2, #597 of 2222 🔗

My wide had to have it as part of her job (NHS). She hasn’t died…yet.

213658 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Janice21, 3, #598 of 2222 🔗

I don’t have the flu vaccine as I don’t get the flu. I certainly will not be having the Covid vaccine either, but they are my opinions and shouldn’t deter you from making up your own mind. As you suffer with asthma you need to speak with other asthma sufferers to help you decide.

213694 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Bella Donna, 1, #599 of 2222 🔗

You are extremely lucky not to have the flu, believe me, BD.
Had it twice and that’s 3 times too many.
I have had flu jabs for 11 years now and yes, sometimes I have had a slight bad reaction but on the whole I and my wife have been fine.

213951 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #600 of 2222 🔗

So far this year I haven’t even had a cold and the weird thing is my annual hay-fever was hardly noticeable! I spoke to a friend whose husband usually suffers with hay-fever and she said he hadn’t suffered much either!

214055 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Bella Donna, #601 of 2222 🔗

Yes, I know I’m tempting fate, but both myself and my wife have gone several months without a cold.

213666 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Janice21, 2, #602 of 2222 🔗

The recorded message that you have to listen to every time we ring our doctors which drones on and on as if we were 5 years old says “if you don’t hear about your flu jab by the middle of October, please contact us”
We have decided to leave it to the end of the month to ask what the situation is?
Perhaps our jab like yours will be at the end of November.

213669 ▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #603 of 2222 🔗

Try a Pharmacy, they can do it on the ONHS.

213667 ▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Janice21, 3, #604 of 2222 🔗

Both had flu jab a month ago (at Pharmacy) no problems other than feeling a bit off colour for about 24 hours three days later. I have seasonal asthma which is the reason for having it, like you not anti vax but definitely anti rushed vax.

213684 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Janice21, 5, #605 of 2222 🔗

I have asthma and COPD but don’t take the annual offer of a flu vaccine and have never had flu but everyone has to make their own decision.

213687 ▶▶ PaulH, replying to Janice21, 6, #606 of 2222 🔗

My work colleagues, who get the jab, seem to get more colds and coughs through the winter than I do. They also report everything from sore arms to flu-like symptoms immediately afterwards.

So I always ignore the blaring corporate propaganda (they even wheel a nurse into the office!) and decline it. I just cant see the benefit – apart from to the people who make it.

I have found that vitamins C,D and zinc serve me well. Even my Covid infection over Xmas cleared up after a couple of days and I was back at work again on the 27th 🙁

213739 ▶▶▶ Mike, replying to PaulH, 4, #607 of 2222 🔗

Ditto. My colleagues line up every yer to get jabbed then proceed to cough and splutter around the office on and off for the next couple of weeks. Regardless of a high flu shot uptake the office is always full of illness at this time of year. Strangely I rarely get cold/flu and never have the jab!

That being said my farther had the jab last year and had severe problems with his arm (into which he had the shot); muscle weakness, loss of grip strength etc. That lasted until April this year. Unfortunately he is so indoctrinated he will likely get it again this year…I have long since given up trying to dissuade him.

214535 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Mike, #608 of 2222 🔗

My mum (91) still has pain in her arm following her flu vax. 10 days now and counting.

213757 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Janice21, #609 of 2222 🔗

Thank you for replies everyone x

213774 ▶▶ Al T, replying to Janice21, #610 of 2222 🔗

Yes, I had it I am 56 but the carer for my elderly mother who has dementia. Having had the flu shot for the last 10 years, I also got a text from my GP saying due to Covid, under 65’s wouldn’t be getting one until November at the earliest.

On that basis, I went to Tesco, booked one, told them I usually get one as am my Mum’s carer. Was given the shot in mid September no problem. Ironically,the day I had it done, I got another text from my GP saying that I should now book a flu shot!

Had no reaction to it, not even a sore arm and neither did my Mother.

213939 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Janice21, #611 of 2222 🔗

I’ve had it. I’m a 22 year old female. I had it last year as well and both times I’ve never had any problems or side effects.

214351 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Janice21, #612 of 2222 🔗

Asthma: Symptoms, Causes and Natural Support Strategies
https://drjockers.com/asthma/

213653 Mayo, replying to Mayo, -38, #613 of 2222 🔗

The Lockdown Sceptics blog continues to risk its credibility by ‘jumping the gun’, i.e. it uses single point ‘evidence’ in a fast evolving situation. Two items make this same mistake.

A few weeks ago, LS was convinced there would be no second wave. Now it seems to grudgingly accept that there is a ‘second wave’ but it has only caused 17 deaths in the under 40s. This is the number – to date. The 7 day rolling average of deaths is increasing at around 40% . Hospital Covid admissions (and I mean ADMISSIONS) are increasing at a similar rate. We don’t know if this will continue but it it’s unlikely to slow down much for a couple of months at least. That could result in a 20-fold increase in hospital & fatality numbers.

LS makes a similar mistake with the Sweden v Rest of Europe comparison. Sweden has tended to lag behind other countries in Europe. Sweden may seem fine at the moment but cases are increasing – and that’s how it starts. If hospitals admissions and deaths follow case numbers in a few weeks they could have problems.

LS needs ditch the ‘head in the sand’ denials and start making the case that lockdowns are not the way forward – regardless of the rate of infections.

No-one (apart from, perhaps, Mike Yeadon) is buying into the “no need to worry – we’re close to herd immunity” BS. We’re not. Even Sunetra Gupta has shifted from that position and is now focusing on a strategy which might achieve herd immunity with minimal damage. All credit to her.

213675 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Mayo, 17, #614 of 2222 🔗

Our friend from the 77th is back

214525 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cecil B, #615 of 2222 🔗

People seem to think they should feed it.

213705 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Mayo, 9, #616 of 2222 🔗

Mayo – you talk utter nonsense. See the journalism above, there are still 10 causes of death greater than COVID. Sweden is currently seeing no significant variation in death rate from previous years. COVID isn’t that big of a deal, however much you want to believe that it is.

214339 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to JHuntz, #617 of 2222 🔗

Ok – you don’t get it. The situation at the moment may be different in 3 or 4 weeks time in the UK – and in Sweden. Assume it could happen and be prepared.

213712 ▶▶ PaulH, replying to Mayo, 3, #618 of 2222 🔗

If no herd immunity, then how did Covid fizzle out in the spring?

And how many of the “cases” now are actually ill and not false +ve’s?

Just asking.

213724 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to PaulH, 1, #619 of 2222 🔗

See how confusing it is when you refuse to set up your own identity here?

214343 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to PaulH, #620 of 2222 🔗

SUMMER came along.

213718 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Mayo, 3, #621 of 2222 🔗

Fair points, but there is a problem with always reserving judgement, which is that the alarmists get to make their propaganda points, achieve their policy goals and move on to the next point while the sensible types are still withholding judgement. By the time the evidence is in, it’s moot, the damage is done.

To some extent, you can only fight alarmism with similarly quick-fire responses.

As so often in life, the bad coin drives out the good.

214347 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Mark, #622 of 2222 🔗

Credibility is important.

213722 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Mayo, 4, #623 of 2222 🔗

I can hear somebody shouting the word ADMISSIONS. Does that mean somebody is almost ready to admit they were wrong?

214349 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to PoshPanic, #624 of 2222 🔗

Wrong about what? I acknowledge some cases who test positive are already in hospital. It’s common knowledge.

213761 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mayo, 4, #625 of 2222 🔗

Would there be a second wave without PCR tests being abused the way they are?

Hospital ADMISSIONS any different to previous years? How many have Covid on arrival? How many actually catch the virus in hospital itself? If hospitals are in the red, to what extent is that driven by resource issues? In Northern Ireland we have 2700 NHS staff isolating.

How many deaths are of Covid and not just with Covid in the last 28 days?

Sorry, but the sceptics view is punching holes in the official narrative but with the understanding that this is a travesty of data analysis. Even then, there is a lot to counter the government’s fear machine on. Especially when it comes to hospital data and the casedemic.

213773 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Mayo, 2, #626 of 2222 🔗

Euromomo shows no evidence of a second wave.

213795 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Mayo, 2, #627 of 2222 🔗

Well it’s easy to call something a second wave when you haven’t given any criteria by which something would qualify as such e.g. volume of deaths, rate of infection, recovery rates, excess deaths, virus mutation. Simple question. What is the clear factual distinction which determines the difference between a second wave and simple virus seasonality or even an extended first wave?

213801 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Mayo, 2, #628 of 2222 🔗

Total weekly deaths from all causes at this time of year seems to be on par with previous years – unfortunately the elderly and frail will always die and fortunately lots of babies will be born – such is the circle of life.

Its only PCR testing that is creating the flap…

213812 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Mayo, 5, #629 of 2222 🔗

This “Second wave” nonsense has been promoted almost from the very beginning to terrify the plebs by suggesting Covid was going to cause a similar amount of deaths to the Spanish Flu. For some reason (perhaps since we had no lockdowns, masks or other tomfoolery) the far comparable Asian Flu of 1957 or Hong Kong Flu of 1968 seem to have been completely forgotten. All we are seeing is the normal seasonal resurgence of a respiratory illness.

213907 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Mayo, 2, #630 of 2222 🔗

You are completely wrong about Sweden. They have got caught up a bit in the increased testing lark. But that is all. No increasing deaths. Look at Belarus. No increase in deaths.
Look at Serbia; increased testing leading to increased ‘cases’. But no spike in deaths.
Look at Japan; it never was a high consequence illness and still isn’t.
S Korea; negligible deaths throughout (though a hypermanic T and T). All countries who never had or then eschewed lockdowns. This is the real world evidence.
UK, France, Italy, Spain, Germany, the US etc etc, simply have an intentional testdemic.

The ultimate folly (except it isn’t unintentional folly) is Moonshot.

If we had transparency regarding primary cause of death, we would see just how few Covid deaths were actually Covid deaths.

Look at the illness stages:-

  1. Stage I: The early infection or viral response phase during which symptoms of upper respiratory tract infection dominate.
  2. Stage II: The pulmonary phase when the patients develop full-blown pneumonia with all its associated symptoms.
  3. Stage III: The hyperinflammation phase when patients develop acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS), sepsis, and kidney and other organ failures.

I don’t believe that Stage 3 is happening at all and Stage 2 is rare.
If their were droves of patients experiencing the hyperinflammatory stage, we would be constantly be regaled by lurid accounts of it.

214357 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Kevin 2, #631 of 2222 🔗

I’m not completely wrong. I said it’s too early to make a call. on Sweden.

213933 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Mayo, 8, #632 of 2222 🔗

I agree with you somewhat. My main point of view has not been to deny the severity of the virus or the fact that there are people suffering and dying from it, but that lockdowns are not a suitable strategy for dealing with the virus, given how much collateral damage they cause and how they don’t actually make it go away, they just kick the can down the road.

We had a big spike back in March/April, and the scientists must surely have known that winter + a novel virus = possible trouble. They’ve had 6 months to scale up hospital capacity and come up with pragmatic solutions that aim to minimise destruction from the virus while trying to keep everything else as normal as possible. We should not keep having to go into lockdown because it’s damaging, causes more non-Covid deaths, and doesn’t actually make the virus go away. Our leaders are also giving us no hope, no exit strategy, no evidence or rationale for their decisions. It’s just house arrest by diktat. It’s doing something just to be seeing to doing something. That’s my issue.

213994 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Mayo, 2, #633 of 2222 🔗

I do take your point, Mayo, that if we focus on the argument that lockdown will never lead us out of this (whatever our views about what is driving the situation) then the statistics become irrelevant, unless we suddenly find ourselves with an CFR of 25% across all age-groups, for instance.

214199 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Mayo, #634 of 2222 🔗

Hospital Covid admissions (and I mean ADMISSIONS) are increasing at a similar rate.

Complete and utter BOLLOCKS! Admissions figures are fiddled, just like all the others!

https://lockdownsceptics.org/2020/10/15/#how-many-hospital-cases-are-really-covid

A top NHS doctor and regulator contributor to Lockdown Sceptics has written a short note for us on the Government’s incomplete and misleading data on hospital admissions .

An eagle-eyed reader in the comments yesterday noticed that the number of ‘patients admitted with Covid’ is the total of the number of patients admitted with a positive test on admission, and the number of patients who tested positive after a number of days in hospital.

That eagle-eyed reader was me . My post: https://lockdownsceptics.org/2020/10/14/latest-news-162/#comment-186272

The doctor continues:

On admission all patients are swabbed for Covid even if they have no symptoms and they are not likely to either. If the swab then comes back as positive, they are then listed in the Covid admission column. You can clearly see the problem with this, in that a whole load of patients who have no Covid symptoms, never develop any and are in hospital for totally different issues are classified in the Government stats as Covid admissions.

Whilst in hospital, all patients are routinely swabbed at regular intervals. So, a patient can be admitted for example after a minor stroke. Swabbed on arrival – swab negative. During the stay in hospital, the patient will be swabbed every few days. Suddenly on, say, day eight, a swab comes back positive. Patient added to the Covid admissions column despite not having any symptoms and having contracted the infection while in hospital.

213661 PaulH, replying to PaulH, 10, #635 of 2222 🔗

“Monkey see, monkey do.”

That just about sums up Johnson and his globalist-shill regime.

And we thought the UK had dodged a bullet by avoiding Corbyn…

213706 ▶▶ Mark, replying to PaulH, 5, #636 of 2222 🔗

As usual with your posts, I tend to find myself mostly in agreement with them anyway, so I don’t bother commenting. You tend a little more to the conspiracist than I do, but often it seems a matter of nuance rather than substance. Though I would tend to avoid the term “shill”, as a bit naff. (Bit of an autology, naff, I know).

Are you still determined not to bother creating your own identity, here?

213828 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to PaulH, 3, #637 of 2222 🔗

I think Corbyn has principles Bozo doesn’t.

213664 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 5, #638 of 2222 🔗

Plymouth you are Going Down

Local Live
‘Plymouth Council Bosses send message to Coronovirus deniers that city faces Tier 2 prospect.

‘While most people are sensible and do favour effective measures to control the virus some seem to deny the existence of the virus at all.
Our Public Health team is made up of people who have expertise and understanding. We trust them absolutely and so should you.

‘Coronovirus misinformation has been rife in our comments sections. . . we try to hide the most misleading comments. However the last few days it’s been hard to keep up.

‘We’ve had people expressing that our rate per 100,000 is lower than other places going into Tier 2 . . . but this figure is rapidly growing and we expect to go into Tier 2 within days.’

213670 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to karenovirus, 6, #639 of 2222 🔗

I believe its profitable to be in the higher tiers, do you know if its true?

213714 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #640 of 2222 🔗

Tier 2 seems to be the worst place to be, economy partly closed but not much, if any, subsidy from HMG.

213690 ▶▶ ambwozere, replying to karenovirus, 1, #641 of 2222 🔗

Same threat for Bournemouth too.

213808 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to ambwozere, 3, #642 of 2222 🔗

Is it? Idiots. The homeless here seemed to get on fine with Covid.

213709 ▶▶ steph, replying to karenovirus, 7, #643 of 2222 🔗

Openly admitting to censorship I see

213721 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to steph, 5, #644 of 2222 🔗

So many Sceptics they can’t keep them all down it seems.

213715 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to karenovirus, 7, #645 of 2222 🔗

Home of UK column I think

213748 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to karenovirus, 2, #646 of 2222 🔗

Our county council actually asked to go into Tier 2 … and the central government said no! (Thank God).

213829 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to mattghg, 1, #647 of 2222 🔗

Probably see it as the route to Tier 3 with all that compo for new cycle lanes.

214929 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to mattghg, 1, #648 of 2222 🔗

Old joke:

MASOCHIST: Hit me!
SADIST: No!

213785 ▶▶ Basics, replying to karenovirus, 3, #649 of 2222 🔗

The –ukcity–live group are a fully paid up member of propaganda r us. Across the nation local news is being written that not only diseminates government information – from story conception, they also are more than happy to leader the name calling and smearing of anyone who questions sensibly.

They have been briefed.

Have a few moments look into some of the ——live writers, click their names pull up their google search results. In edinburghlive we have a 27 years food critic writing about so called covid deniers such asthe extremely reasonable and well qualified Delores Cahill. This 27 year old was jobless in winter this year – stress and mental health issues. She has horrible blogs elsewhere talking about masturbation or sex toys or similar – she goes in for queer theory and men with periods -seems to see herself as a latter-day sex in the city type.

Really useful to look into who the names are. Aside from the being loaded with bbc embeds Local Decocracy Reporters – bbc funded staff in offices across tge nation of —-live.

213825 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Basics, -1, #650 of 2222 🔗

I think most of us realise that, I’m just repeating what is being reported; it’s easy to read between the lines.

I got bored with adding
(mirror group news) because everyone knows including my predictive text.

213673 flyingjohn, replying to flyingjohn, 17, #651 of 2222 🔗

Dr Mike Yeadon has categorically stated and explained why viruses to do not behave as waves. He has stated clearly that there is no ‘second wave’. So have other eminent scientists. But SAGE, in particular, Patrick Valance continue to talk up the ‘second wave’. So do all the MSM, all of them helpfully parroting the government and scientists lingo of ‘second wave more dangerous than the first etc.

Yeadon and Ivor Cummins say the pandemic is over. Yeadon says that he and Valance had similar education and training worked together while studying and if he (Yeadon) knows it’s a scam, then Valance definitely does too.

So why is Valance lying? And why does Johnson not know or even suspect this or what Valance’s motives could be? (Hint: Valance was a director of GSK and still holds approx £600K of shares and if GSK succeed in making a vaccine, they and Valance would make a fortune).

213688 ▶▶ GuyRich, replying to flyingjohn, 7, #652 of 2222 🔗

This is where my ‘conspiracy theory’ mind has been since the beginning, and even before. The longer this goes on, and people like Yeadon and Cummins cotton on to the scam, the more those ‘theories’ are fast becoming a reality.

213734 ▶▶ steph, replying to flyingjohn, 8, #653 of 2222 🔗

I assume that Vallance has accepted Yeadon’s accusation that he’s a liar. He was invited to sue if he was wrong and has not done so.

213755 ▶▶ Basics, replying to flyingjohn, 3, #654 of 2222 🔗

An investigative journalist might have sought to interview people from vallance’s past to gain sense of what is the measure of the ‘man’. We don’t do that in Britain any more.

213780 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to flyingjohn, 1, #655 of 2222 🔗

Vallance clearly knows this isn’t a second wave but he’s quite happy for the term to be used. They all know it’s not the right term but make no effort to challenge it’s use presumably because it serves their purposes.

213823 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to flyingjohn, 1, #656 of 2222 🔗

Why is Vallance lying? Cross his palm with silver! 😁

213677 rose, replying to rose, 21, #657 of 2222 🔗

Just had a depressing trip to my zombie town. It’s market day. 85% of people outside are masked. I tried talking loudly to a few people I knew (the ones that I recognised from their walk, body shape, clothes etc) about how bad the masks are for them ie teflon, plastic microparticles, and other carcinogenic chemicals, not to mention fungal and bacterial proliferation in the hot damp microclimate of the mask. Also about the economy the NOT UNUSUALLY overwhelmed NHS and false Covid death figures. I left some leaflets around. I tried but came away feeling despondant. Thinking I might try harder next week and get some banners and a soapbox!

213697 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to rose, 4, #658 of 2222 🔗

Do that. There’s be an A5 leaflet soon ready in PDF form to take to a local printers.

213732 ▶▶ ColoradoGirl, replying to rose, 8, #659 of 2222 🔗

Seeing people masked outside boggles the mind!

213740 ▶▶▶ Janice21, replying to ColoradoGirl, 9, #660 of 2222 🔗

I’ve noticed it more happening here too. And people wearing them in their own cars. Ludicrous.

213742 ▶▶ PaulH, replying to rose, 18, #661 of 2222 🔗

People in town mostly gone totally barmy thanks to the Johnson-Behavioural Insights mental assault.

Old people huffing about in rain-soaked, dirty muzzles. Mum tried to give some books to a charity shop but they rejected them due to the “Covid risk”.

Don’t remember them ever being worried about flu, colds, pneumonia, anthrax, ebola, diphtheria, cholera, TB or anything else.

This fear campaign must be the most effective UK government project ever. Too bad it is purely destructive.

213756 ▶▶ Alan P, replying to rose, 19, #662 of 2222 🔗

Been out too. Talk about zombie land!

B&Q. Challenged at the door by some 12 year old oik. He got short shrift from me.
Everyone masked to some degree. Totally depressed.

Went on to Halfords. Got into “debate” with till assistant who said her daughter says the hospitals are filling up (didn’t want to recognise that this happens at this time of year, didn’t want to hear about everything that is wrong with PCR tests), knew 3 people that died of Covid in summer (it’s always 3 people!) and just shrugged when I asked her is this how she wants to live the rest of her life.

How are we ever going to convince these arseholes? This is only happening because people want this to happen. If more people like us were to just say no, this would be over tomorrow. My fellow countrymen (& women) make me despair….

213798 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Alan P, 4, #663 of 2222 🔗

It’s how everything seems to go these days. Some people choose their position on an issue, and then rigidly stick to it no matter what. They then only listen to ideas which reinforce their position, and have no interest in an open discussion about the other side.

Discussion of any issue is useless with this type of person. Their minds are closed. I think social media echo chambers and PC culture making many innocuous subjects taboo are partly to blame for the overall problem. Nobody wants to discuss ideas anymore.

214215 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Alan P, #664 of 2222 🔗

…it’s always 3 people!

I think you know the same people I do, Alan. 🙂

In fact, I know 3 people, each of whom knew 3 people who died; I wonder if those 3 people who died knew 3 people who died before they did.

Damn, got a headache now. 😉

213679 HelzBelz, replying to HelzBelz, 9, #665 of 2222 🔗

Received a mail from my MP (Dom Drab) a couple of days ago, attaching a (borderline illiterate) letter that Dom has written to Wancock with a promise to be back in touch when a reply is received. Letter says this:

Dear Secretary of State

I am writing to you on behalf of three constituents (THREE????? Is that all) who have both (sic) raised a number of questions regarding the governments (sic) approach towards tackling Covid-19.

In particular my constituents believe there are a number of significant gaps, errors and contradictions in the governments (sic) approach which they believe should be better targeted in order to properly minimise the impact of Covic-19 (sic).

I enclose a copy of the correspondence I have received from my constituents and would appreciate your comments on the points they have raised.

I look forward to hearing from you.

Not sure which of my late night rant e-mails he is referring to and it is disappointing that only 3 constituents have questioned the Covid policies. I am expecting a knock on the door any time soon from the Stasi who will no doubt drag me off to the Gulag.

213695 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to HelzBelz, 5, #666 of 2222 🔗

I suppose it’s because it’s such a waste of time – but people need to be encouraged to do so, as Lord Sumption says.
What we need are small clusters of activists who focus their efforts on one particular action. Why don’t you consider taking this on, the task of writing to MPs, collating replies, and encouraging others to do the same -?
If you can gather as well someone with legal knowledge (or research yourself) knowledge of an individual MPs personal duties and responsibilities, so much the better.

213700 ▶▶ steph, replying to HelzBelz, 2, #667 of 2222 🔗

Is your MP our esteemed foreign secretary? If so I am really very unimpressed with the standard of writing. However, let’s assume the intern did it.
I am more concerned by it only being 3 constituents. That tells us a great deal about the lack of engagement and I’m alright Jackism going on. Assume leafy Surrey is still in tier 1 whereas leafy Essex volunteered for the naughty step.

213778 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to steph, 2, #668 of 2222 🔗

I bet he’s received many more. Lying by omission is bread and butter to many MPs.

213850 ▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #669 of 2222 🔗

You’re probably right. How do most of us know who has written to any MP?
One thing that has come out if this is that trust in politicians which was always in very short supply is never likely to be regained at all.

213689 Rod Jones, replying to Rod Jones, 1, #670 of 2222 🔗

At last a song to sing along to.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/6sXQE8XviGLR/

We need to move beyond quibbling about ‘the virus’.

214056 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Rod Jones, 1, #671 of 2222 🔗

Fucking excellent. (Caution, may offend. 🙂 ).

213701 Rosie, replying to Rosie, 7, #672 of 2222 🔗

One thing I’ve not been able to understand is why more businesses are not suing the gov for damages, following the example of the gyms and forcing their hand.
As you probably know by now, lawyers in Germany are preparing a case for crimes against humanity. In the mean time they encourage people to sue.
This site is trying to keep track of what’s happening https://www.europereloaded.com/how-to-become-part-of-dr-reiner-fuellmichs-class-action-suit/
8 October: “We got in touch with the German law firm of Dr. Reiner Fuellmich via his website http://www.fuellmich.com / Kontakt (contact) and left a message in English.
On his site, you’ll see this German announcement: Wir beraten und unterstutzen aktiv die Aktivitaten zu der Corona Schadensersatzklage. Which translates as: We actively advise and support the activities regarding the Corona claim for damages. https://www.corona-schadensersatzklage.de/ Which translates as ‘Corona action for damages’.
They replied that they themselves are only representing German clients, but plan to publish names of lawyers and law firms internationally who will be taking part in legal action for redress against the corona measures.”

213717 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Rosie, 6, #673 of 2222 🔗

There is no way they can absolutely destroy small businesses based on pseudoscience without serious backlash whether that’s in the courts or protests.

213702 HelenaHancart, replying to HelenaHancart, 8, #674 of 2222 🔗

Reading that chap’ s (non) massage experience, I am amazed that business is still operating. I was a massage therapist for many years until I developed RA and had to stop. The whole point of massage is hands-on, non-invasive, human contact. It can treat many physical ills but also help on a mental and spiritual level. Many of my clients were elderly and living on their own, many were very stressed through work or were dealing with other health problems. A lot of my job was to listen to clients, let them unfurl, and to garner trust so that they would be completely relaxed during their treatment. Physical human touch is lacking for many people, but now it is being openly denied. That’s seem to be the point. Massaging with PPE and especially gloves DEFEATS the whole object! How can any massage therapist be happy to do this? How on earth is massage even possible through disgusting plastic gloves? And as for the other diktats…! It would be completely possible to treat people if SENSIBLE precautions were in place ie doing back massages only, which is what people mostly want anyway, using paper towel to completely cover the couch and ensure cleanliness of towels and equipment at all times, which a given anyway. Let the therapist decide their own risk factor. But of course this is all by design, to make sure human beings are distanced and kept apart, and as for physical contact…that’s not the way of the Great Reset, where we are being trained as faceless drones to eventually accept AI interference in our bodies, to destroy our very humanity.

213711 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to HelenaHancart, 7, #675 of 2222 🔗

London ‘Metro’ newspaper of 28 October reported that no virus found to date on London Underground. TFL (= Transport for London) test the London Underground all year and find NO corona virus.
Yet we are supposed not have massage and wear gloves and to use hand gel, and touch nothing, clean like crazy, and objects such as library books and clothes in shops have to go into ‘quarantine’ for 48 hours/whatever.

213775 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Rosie, 5, #676 of 2222 🔗

The virus is fading away after doing what viruses do.

213765 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to HelenaHancart, 7, #677 of 2222 🔗

It all such a nonsense, my hairdresser sometimes works in a care home and she was angry to learn that the elderly were being denied hugs or touch by their families yet she a complete stranger had access to them !

213782 ▶▶ Julian, replying to HelenaHancart, 3, #678 of 2222 🔗

I had one a couple of months back – she came to my house. I was unmasked, no problems with that. She started with mask and visor, lost the mask when I told her not to bother on my account, and then lost the visor after the massage was finished and chatted to us bare faced.

213805 ▶▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to Julian, 1, #679 of 2222 🔗

That’s good to hear. Most independent therapists just use their common sense and judgement. I still have massages and my therapist, whilst outwardly has to obey the rules, does her own thing in her treatment room.

214043 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to HelenaHancart, 1, #680 of 2222 🔗

… SENSIBLE precautions …

Get outta here.

213704 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 9, #681 of 2222 🔗

What’s old dolly chops got in store for us this week.

Zut alors Emmanuel, what’s that you say, the fallen Madonna with the big boobies has fallen into enemy hands. Lock down.

213738 ▶▶ Basics, replying to stefarm, 2, #682 of 2222 🔗

There seems to be a sense they are loading the oppression and confusion onto weekends. I haven’t kept a diary but I would think weekends are a planning factor in how they are loading unrelenting stress onto people.

213794 ▶▶ Bobblybob, replying to stefarm, #683 of 2222 🔗

.

213806 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Bobblybob, 1, #684 of 2222 🔗

some SAGE thinking?

213716 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 17, #685 of 2222 🔗

Got a survey from British Athletics today about attending future events. There were some good questions including what would put you off attending such as mandatory masks, distancing, etc. It was nice in that it was a question pitched about how Covid restrictions might put you off rather than encourage you to attend. Needless to say I ticked every new normal measure as putting me off going. Probably sailing against the wind but hey ho.

213753 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Achilles, 8, #686 of 2222 🔗

Here’s a good slogan to use, thanks to
ACU2020 https://acu2020.org/ (composed of medical doctors and scientists including Schöning, Schiffmann, Haditsch)

“Better Normal, not New Normal”

214039 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Rosie, 4, #687 of 2222 🔗

A bit close to ‘build back better’ for me.

214470 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to JohnB, #688 of 2222 🔗

Good point. They’ve pinched all the best words and slogans

213788 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Achilles, 3, #689 of 2222 🔗

Good that they asked though, many institutions assume that everyone wants the COVID safe nonsense.

213719 ColoradoGirl, replying to ColoradoGirl, 14, #690 of 2222 🔗

I teach 7th graders. One of the rare times they are allowed to go mask free is while they are eating lunch. A girl had taken off her mask and laid it next to her on the table. It was so filthy that I thought she had taken out her shoe insert and laid it next to her! I can’t that she is breathing that in for hours a day. 7th graders as a whole consider it all a big joke.

213727 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to ColoradoGirl, 9, #691 of 2222 🔗

Come on. Take a picture of that soiled rag and send that to the head. Child welfare anyone?

You don’t need to be the anti mask person. Just point out that there is a clear lack of hygiene with use

213745 ▶▶▶ ColoradoGirl, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 8, #692 of 2222 🔗

The response would be to come up with rules about washing face masks. The fear of the adults is real.

213842 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to ColoradoGirl, 1, #693 of 2222 🔗

It’s happening on school premises. I presume the head has a general duty of care. You might like to look into it. The more individuals realise that they have a responsibility and can’t say that they were merely following government guidance, the more these people, who have local power and influence, will start to (a) ask questions and (b) take responsibility

213968 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to ColoradoGirl, #694 of 2222 🔗

That’s at least a start. Because either way, that’s so dangerous to be having that on your face all day in such a state. Masker or no masker, ignoring it is not the thing to do.

213720 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 21, #695 of 2222 🔗

I have 2 tradesmen in the house at the moment installing an attic ladder for me – both unmasked!

213731 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Ewan Duffy, 14, #696 of 2222 🔗

I’m ringing the police!

213819 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Janice21, 3, #697 of 2222 🔗

I’m in Ireland (the Republic) and tradesmen/women are allowed operate under all levels of lockdown 😉

213776 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Ewan Duffy, 6, #698 of 2222 🔗

Yes, almost all the tradesmen we’ve had have had no truck with any of this. Only a couple, from larger firms, turned up masked and couldn’t wait to take them off when we told them not to bother on our account.

213821 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Julian, 5, #699 of 2222 🔗

Same here. And small, independent garages also.

Just had two collections for stuff I put on Freecycle. Sadly, one collector had a mask on but the other was maskless and didn’t flinch when I handed over the item.

213723 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 25, #700 of 2222 🔗

That lecture by Lord Sumption really is a tour de force . He not only lays into the government but also lets the police have it over their brutality at Trafalgar Square, and there’s even a swipe at (I think) Trish Greenhalgh.

213730 ▶▶ Mark, replying to mattghg, 16, #701 of 2222 🔗

It’s absolutely chock full of punishing quotable extracts.

I’ve quoted a few here previously, Here’s another:

Fear was deliberately stoked up by the government: the language of impending doom; the daily press conferences; the alarmist projections of the mathematical modellers; the manipulative use of selected statistics; the presentation of exceptional tragedies as if they were the normal effects of Covid-19; above all the attempt to suggest that that Covid-19 was an indiscriminate killer, when the truth was that it killed identifiable groups, notably those with serious underlying conditions and the old, who could and arguably should have been sheltered without coercing the entire population.

213736 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Mark, 3, #702 of 2222 🔗

Hi Mark – please will you give me a list of all the best ones – then I can use them to compile another leaflet.

213770 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Rosie, 11, #703 of 2222 🔗

These are my current favourites (the last one is from the q&a afterwards:

“During the Covid-19 pandemic the British state has exercised coercive powers over its citizens on a scale never previously attempted. …. It has been the most significant interference with personal freedom in the history of our country. We have never sought to do such a thing before, even in war-time and even when faced with health crises far more serious than this one.”

“The most draconian of the government’s interventions, with the most far reaching economic and social effects, have been imposed under an act which does not appear to authorise them”

“When I ventured to criticise [Derbyshire police] in a BBC interview for acting beyond their powers, I received a letter from the Derbyshire Police Commissioner objecting to my remarks on the ground that in a crisis such things were necessary. The implication was that in a crisis the police were entitled to do whatever they thought fit, without being unduly concerned about their legal powers. That is my definition of a police state”

“When societies lose their liberty it isn’t usually because some despot has crushed it under his boot, it is because people voluntarily surrender their liberty out of fear of some external threat. Historically fear has always been the most potent instrument of the authoritarian state. That is what we are witnessing today.But the fault is not just in our government. It is in ourselves. Fear provokes strident demands for abrasive action, much of which is unhelpful or damaging. It promotes intolerant conformism. It encourages abuse directed against any one who steps out of line, including many responsible opponents of this government’s measures and some notable scientists who have questioned their empirical basis. These are the authentic ingredients of a totalitarian society.
So, I regret to say, is the propaganda by which the government has to some extent been able to create its own public opinion. Fear was deliberately stoked up by the government: the language of impending doom; the daily press conferences; the alarmist projections of the mathematical modellers; the manipulative use of selected statistics; the presentation of exceptional tragedies as if they were the normal effects of Covid-19; above all the attempt to suggest that that Covid-19 was an indiscriminate killer, when the truth was that it killed identifiable groups, notably those with serious underlying conditions and the old, who could and arguably should have been sheltered without coercing the entire population. These exaggerations followed naturally from the logic of the measures themselves. They were necessary in order to justify the extreme steps which the government had taken, and to promote compliance. As a strategy, this was completely successful. ”

“The British public has not even begun to understand the seriousness of what is happening in our country. Many, perhaps most of them, don’t care, and won’t care until it’s too late.”

“I personally do not believe…that there is a moral obligation to comply with the law simply because it is the law. It seems to me that there are circumstances in which there are more powerful considerations the other way. It seems to me that when you hear ministers for example discussing the question whether people should spend Christmas with their families as if the right to spend Christmas with your family was a kind of boon or gift or favour conferred by ministers out of the kindness of their hearts, you have to ask yourself, what are the moral limits of the government’s power, even by lawful regulations, let alone unlawful ones, to control the private lives of individuals? Personally I think that some of these regulations go well beyond the moral rights of government and I would not be at all surprised if they were widely ignored.”

213833 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Julian, #705 of 2222 🔗

Thanks Julian & Mark

213741 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to mattghg, 11, #706 of 2222 🔗

It is. I listened to it last night. As I said yesterday, he really does expose our parliamentarians for the intellectual pygmies they are (with the exception of Sir Desmond Swayne).

213735 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #707 of 2222 🔗
213764 ▶▶ NickR, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #708 of 2222 🔗

Pop-up test centre popped up behind our local leisure centre 2 days ago. Huge queue of healthy looking people sat in cars with masks on. Who are these people?

213767 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to NickR, 5, #709 of 2222 🔗

Moronic idiots.

214239 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to NickR, #710 of 2222 🔗

Who are these people?

Paid lackeys who, now that the government knows we know the centres are empty, drive from one to the other pretending to get tested.

Damn! Just slipped into conspiracy theory land for a minute. But, what if it were true? 😉

213789 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #711 of 2222 🔗

I took a drive around the city yesterday, the covid testing station was quiet as usual as was the office campus trading estate and University.
Rail Station car park less than one third full but hotel car parks busy.

The (6th form) College area was teeming with non complying teenagers, the working bloke trading estate bustling as in the old normal.
At the hospital the only thing of note is that maternity (where the cafe has been closed throughout) has suddenly been blessed with a number of very new tables and chairs outside for you to enjoy a beverage as the temperature plummets.

213744 swedenborg, 9, #712 of 2222 🔗

Things change fast.Now this newly published article says antibody response effective and last at least 5 mths.

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2020/10/27/science.abd7728

Robust neutralizing antibodies to SARS-CoV-2 infection persist for months
“Here we report that the vast majority of infected individuals with mild-to-moderate COVID-19 experience robust IgG antibody responses against the viral spike protein, based on a dataset of 30,082 individuals screened at Mount Sinai Health System in New York City. We also show that titers are relatively stable for at least a period approximating 5 months and that anti-spike binding titers significantly correlate with neutralization of authentic SARS-CoV-2. Our data suggests that more than 90% of seroconverters make detectible neutralizing antibody responses. These titers remain relatively stable for several months after infection.”

213749 Simon Dutton, replying to Simon Dutton, 9, #713 of 2222 🔗

“Eric Blair” comments on an article about Klaus Schwab, the monster crouching at the heart of all this:

There is no shortage of conspiracy theorists in internet land who spend all of their time discussing conspiracies for which there is very little or no useful evidence. Meanwhile the conspirators with the most influence over western society and the world are very open about their deeds, plans and goals. They, e.g. people like Klaus Schwab, and Eric Schmidt, write books about these things and get lauded on major media platforms.

Yet many, if not most, of the people who claim to be interested in exposing nefarious conspiracies to the public never seem to cover the ones that pose the greatest danger. It seems they’d much rather focus on past events that may or may not have been conspiracies.

Thank you for drawing attention to probably the greatest conspiracy in the making that has ever existed.

This is the article:

https://winteroak.org.uk/2020/10/05/klaus-schwab-and-his-great-fascist-reset/

213827 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Simon Dutton, 1, #714 of 2222 🔗

Schwab is an ugly little man.

213897 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Basics, 1, #715 of 2222 🔗

‘Eric Blair’ seems a bit of a dismissive ill-informed twat.

All of the conspiracy theorists in internet land I know, and those of the real world as well, are pretty much fully focused on the reset shite.

never seem to cover the ones that pose the greatest danger.

Simply untrue bollocks.

213752 Ewan Duffy, 13, #716 of 2222 🔗

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/theres-no-evidence-to-show-a-ban-on-public-worship-does-anything-but-harm-39675654.html

The author of this piece is also the editor of the Irish Catholic. Notwhithstanding the fact that I am an atheist and no fan of the Catholic Church in Ireland, I do agree with his sentiments that those of a religious nature should be allowed to congregate.

213762 Tony Prince, 2, #717 of 2222 🔗

It’s beyond propaganda now when you get out and out lies allowed on TV from scum like this. Thank goodness for Ivor
(3 mins) I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7SAv_4AmN4

213769 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 5, #718 of 2222 🔗

I thought I might be able to make some easy money by referring people for Covid vaccine trials – you can earn £100 for referring someone to take part. Then I saw the bit about I could only refer someone if I took part, no thanks. https://off-guardian.org/2020/10/29/incentivised-vaccine-trials-kill-or-maim-a-friend-and-get-100/

213779 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Darryl, 4, #719 of 2222 🔗

I’ll do it if I can refer all of the MPs who voted for this shit show, I’m willing to sacrifice myself for “the cause” if they will.

Then I can get paid about £66,000 (twenty times the raise that MPs got) and risk suffering about 369 unknown side-effects

EDIT: I missed a zero – luckily I’m not writing the latest version of “Sim Virus” because missing out the odd zero here and there can dramatically effect the gameplay…

213869 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #720 of 2222 🔗

MPs deserve to be amongst the first to take a rushed vaccine, and it should be done publicly – not like the fake photo shoots which Khan and Sunak have been doing multiple times for the flu vaccine with the needle cover still on.

213883 ▶▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Darryl, 4, #721 of 2222 🔗

Still can’t trust that – how could anyone tell that it is actually “the” vaccine and not a fake?

“Look! None of us dropped dead”

We are talking about some of the most untrustworthy scumbags that have ever walked the face of the earth

213787 Kevin 2, replying to Kevin 2, 14, #722 of 2222 🔗

A wonderful message from Robert F Kennedy Jr.
A voice of decency and quiet determination.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CGtCdRJn-IN/?fbclid=IwAR2hEE6Vnr-4QvZdLMyay3cKLoQjAOahJtpsPGOk6vTcu_AS93DvtehzrIs

213809 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Kevin 2, 2, #723 of 2222 🔗

Perfect timing. I was just about to look for this and couldn’t remember his name, Thanks 🙂
He is very moving, his struggle to speak, becomes more and more powerful, controlled fury.
I do recommend it whenever anyone needs encouragement.

214664 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Rosie, #724 of 2222 🔗

He has spasmodic dysphonia . That’s why he struggles to speak.

213840 ▶▶ Melangell, replying to Kevin 2, 1, #725 of 2222 🔗

This is absolutely brilliant – thank you so much for posting!!! I have passed on the link to my friends in the US. I wish we had an orator of this calibre in the UK…I mean Lord Gumption is brilliant but won’t appeal to the (wo)man on the street like Kennedy.

213790 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 9, #726 of 2222 🔗

Not so long ago there was a report that nearly every handrail in public places had traces of cocaine.
I don’t hear any member of the authorities arguing that there should be a national lockdown to eliminate cocaine which arguably causes more misery and probably deaths than Covid.

213791 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #727 of 2222 🔗

https://metro.co.uk/2019/06/26/traces-of-cocaine-found-throughout-houses-of-parliament-10075256/

“A number of private locations within the Houses of Parliament have tested positive for cocaine”

🙂

213800 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #728 of 2222 🔗

Thanks for that.
What a surprise!

213837 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #729 of 2222 🔗

Obviously false positives… ahem.

213882 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Fingerache Philip., #730 of 2222 🔗

The illegality causes the misery, Phil, not the substance itself.

Which is not to say there are not health issues with narcotics.

213904 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to JohnB, -1, #731 of 2222 🔗

There are a lot of health issues with narcotics. Ask George Floyd’s family.

The police officer didn’t kill him. Fentanyl killed him.

214555 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Lms23, #732 of 2222 🔗

Absolutely.

Don’t see how this bears on substance prohibition, and the harm that causes though.

213793 Julian, replying to Julian, 10, #733 of 2222 🔗

Initial verdict on Recovery: https://timeforrecovery.org/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/T4Recovery

Website looks professional if a bit sparse

Core message and demands are sound if somewhat vague

They seem like they are a bit underfunded and under powered – hope this changes:

“We desperately need funds so we influence the C19 debate . We aim to provide a balanced view that can better inform the media, public and of course Government. We work closely with opinion formers to ensure that the true facts are being publicised for all to see. To do this we need your financial support.

Most of our work is carried out by volunteers, concerned individuals like you, who want to see a fair and open debate. However we urgently need funds to pay for campaign media, some full time staff, non-biased polling and wide ranging communications to get Britain back on track and save countless lives. Please give what you can.”

I like the aims about polling and opinion formers.

213839 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Julian, 4, #734 of 2222 🔗

Think as they’ve only just launched today I hope that’s the reason. I hope it gains traction. I feel massive need to unite behind something sensible.

214241 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Julian, #735 of 2222 🔗

They have had a good launch event on Twitter. Worth following and seeing what they’ve done. Lots of eminent people speaking so I think an extremely professional and determined outfit.

I hope to help in some way.

213796 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 87, #736 of 2222 🔗

This is pinned to the front door of our local pub which is closed under he current restrictions

‘Notice

To whom it may concern

When we reopen the following are banned from entering these premises or being served with intoxicating liquor

All Members of Parliament, The Scottish Parliament, The Welsh Assembly and all of the staff of these institutions
All councillors
All employees of any Local Authority within the UK
All persons employed in the media
All police officers, and anyone employed by a police force anywhere in the UK

This ban also includes all of the above’s families and their extended families

If you ignore this ban you commit an offence and the police will be called’

It appears that collaboration does have consequences

213816 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Cecil B, 18, #737 of 2222 🔗

Brilliant!

213817 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Cecil B, 5, #738 of 2222 🔗

They missed out the Northern Ireland Assembly!

213826 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Cecil B, 15, #739 of 2222 🔗

Buy the landlord a pint for me!

213846 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Cecil B, 10, #740 of 2222 🔗

Hope they’re rammed to the gills when they open!

213873 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #741 of 2222 🔗

Unlikely, when you consider the number of people likely to be related to media, local council, and police workers.

213891 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to JohnB, 2, #742 of 2222 🔗

Well maybe they’ll do an exemption for the good ones?

213911 ▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to PoshPanic, 4, #743 of 2222 🔗

There will be a subtle “Pardon in advance” for the very few good ones.

213865 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Cecil B, 9, #744 of 2222 🔗

Need to add in SAGE and Imperial College

213870 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cecil B, 4, #745 of 2222 🔗

Yeah but the police are banned ?!

213908 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to JohnB, 1, #746 of 2222 🔗

Off duty, the on duty ones are Ok to turn up to arrest the miscreants

213884 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Cecil B, 6, #747 of 2222 🔗

I would add just one (or rather 28) exceptions to this. The 28 who voted against the extension to the CV legislation should be welcome, especially the Rt Hon. Sir Desmond Swayne.
Probably difficult to enforce that. Otherwise approve 100000000000000000000000%.

213903 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Stephanos, 5, #748 of 2222 🔗

Individuals can apply for exemption certificates. Mr Swayne and the other 27 would qualify

214037 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Cecil B, 2, #749 of 2222 🔗

I think they’re is an opportunity for people to take fliers into pubs/ resteraunts as they will be the most likely to support educating the population.

Unfortunately, where I am in the central belt nothing is open.

214077 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Cecil B, 1, #750 of 2222 🔗

Excellent – he should exclude TalkRadio and some others from the media bracket though

213811 Basics, replying to Basics, 3, #752 of 2222 🔗

A video of London streets.
https://youtu.be/Dd2-VY6roL0
London Has Fallen | Financial Collapse.

It would be good to hear if this is an accurate reflection of daily life in London now.

I haven’t watched to the end.

213838 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to Basics, 1, #753 of 2222 🔗

Pretty much – except Saturdays when there is an anti lockdown protest march on.

Here is a handy website with live video of London streets:
https://www.tfljamcams.net/

213841 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Basics, 1, #754 of 2222 🔗

Pretty much, with pockets of life. Driving in through the East End yesterday at rush hour, was more like a Sunday morning.

213867 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Basics, 2, #755 of 2222 🔗

Reminds me of the film The Big Short

It’s 2007 and the protagonists were laughed at for suggesting the mortgage market could collapse

They decided to fly down to Florida and saw all the ‘For Sale’ signs, which was completely at odds with the official narrative

Then they interviewed a stripper who owned seven houses all mortgaged to the hilt

The stripper said that if interest rates went up 1% she would just hand the keys back

The rest is history as they say

213895 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Cecil B, 1, #756 of 2222 🔗

Unfortunately, all those people who laughed are still in place. They never went away, and they never learned.

213874 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Basics, 1, #757 of 2222 🔗

Yes it is all true.If you wanted to quibble,some of the streets shown would normally be quiet during the day as they are nighttime areas.
It doesn’t actually show the true extent.Central London defined by the congestion zone is a ghost town and going into tier 2 has compounded it.
This is a massive area and it won’t be long.No shops no rent landlords in trouble feeding into banks and pension funds.Systematic collapse.

213892 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 2, #758 of 2222 🔗

The London Underground was packed at all times of the day, the Central Line in particular. It could be packed at 11pm. There was no longer a discernible rush hour, and it was carrying numbers that it had never been designed for.
To see the Tube empty like that didn’t even happen the day after the bombings, when a lot of people stayed at home, or had been stuck in London.
The only time London would be that quiet would be 5am on a Sunday morning.

214083 ▶▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Lms23, #759 of 2222 🔗

Crossrail ( Basically another central line) is going to be embarassing if it’s still like this when it finally opens.

213818 Sarigan, 1, #760 of 2222 🔗
213820 leggy, replying to leggy, 7, #761 of 2222 🔗

So I had an email conversation with a colleague in Slovakia. I miss visiting, Bratislava is a great city.

The general gist is, as you might expect, panic, fear, hysteria, mass testing of the entire population. This is perhaps the most telling line was this:

“Currently there are 176 deads with Covid in the Slovak republic.”

176 – total. The whole year. Population 5.5million. Proportionality?

213872 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to leggy, 2, #762 of 2222 🔗

Cuba only had 123 deaths out of a population of 11.34 million.

213954 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to leggy, #763 of 2222 🔗

Their PM’s plan makes Boris’s bat-flu strategy seem like a masterpiece. Matovič seems to actually see himself as a hero, selflessly sacrificing his popularity to save the plebs. He regularly makes announcements without even telling the president or the health authorities, then he has to apologise to them, and then he will sling shit at them about it. He quotes Shakespeare as though he is playing a hero role. He ordered millions of cheap plastic tests to test the entire populous on a single day, without checking the logistics and with no strategic aim. He has designed a curfew system where you can only go out between 1AM and 5AM (not a typo). He has tried to illegally force testing by saying that if you don’t have a test, you have to be quarantined. He is yet another thicko, absent of morals or decency, totally out of his depth.

214049 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to TheBluePill, #764 of 2222 🔗

He has moved the entire country to night shift, madness!!

214122 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to TheBluePill, #765 of 2222 🔗

I asked about that too. He said:

People are really allowed to leave their houses between 1 AM – 5 AM, that´s true but I think that it´s just formal regulation to not get into conflict with Slovak Constitution, to prevent future complaints. As far as I know people are not using this option for moving outside 🙂

214567 ▶▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to leggy, #766 of 2222 🔗

A Slovak health expert spoke out yesterday. He was immediately and comprehensively smeared. He did another press conference today to refute the smears and got quite emotional. A veteran expert who was viciously attacked for speaking the truth.

Now the scumbag PM is on TV calling the expert a traitor. He is also now waving flashcards with monetary amounts on them – bribes for healthcare workers. This is how he refutes scientific expertise – with blatant bribes for other healthcare workers to comply. He hasn’t had the bribes approved by parliament, but apparently that is just a formality because they will “agree to anything he asks”. He has to rush off soon because he is so important and valued at the EU that they moved him to the number 1 speaker slot. He says they are desperate to learn from him. Deluded, dangerous, fascist pig!

And we think Boris is evil!

213822 Adam, 2, #767 of 2222 🔗

Johnson & co must go now

213824 alw, replying to alw, 8, #768 of 2222 🔗

Just heard the most disgraceful Government ad re Covid on Talk Radio being read by a woman calling herself Dr Gupta. This is not the world renowned epidemiologist Dr Sunetra Gupta. How low will this Government sink with their propaganda? Contemptible is an understatement.

213860 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to alw, 5, #769 of 2222 🔗

Ours is Professor Gupta. Beware cheap imitations!

213863 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to alw, -12, #770 of 2222 🔗

This is not the world renowned epidemiologist Dr Sunetra Gupta.

Would this be “the world renowned epidemiologist” who told Freddie Sayers (Unherd) that we were close to herd immunity back in March. Thankfully, she’s backtracked on that and adopted a far more sensible approach.

213876 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Mayo, 4, #771 of 2222 🔗

London, the South East and parts of the West Midlands almost certainly were. The problem was, the North was not allowed to get close to it as the whole country was locked down, and is now paying the price for that error.

213877 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Mayo, 1, #772 of 2222 🔗

Has she backtracked or is she just being diplomatic?

214324 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Major Panic, -2, #773 of 2222 🔗

She knows the UK does not currently have herd immunity – as do most of us.

213831 calchas, replying to calchas, 10, #774 of 2222 🔗

Tweetedseveral hours ago by the London Ambulance Service:

“Sadly, the number of suicide and attempted suicide incidents we attend are increasing. Our crews now attend an average of 37 suicides or attempted suicides per day, compared to 22 in 2019 and 17 five years ago.”

https://twitter.com/Ldn_Ambulance/status/1321566876732952581

213866 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to calchas, 1, #775 of 2222 🔗

First suicide data I’ve seen. Good for the LAS in releasing it.

213880 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to JohnB, 2, #776 of 2222 🔗

It will be framed as people not receiving enough government financial support, not a rejection of lockdown due to societal breakdown.

213958 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to calchas, 1, #777 of 2222 🔗

For Cumbria (at 10th September)

https://www.itv.com/news/border/2020-09-10/concerning-rise-in-suspected-suicide-rates-in-cumbria-after-lockdown

‘So far this year, 45 people in the county have thought to have taken their own life – almost double the number this time last year.’

An earlier Cumbria Police press release said 39% increase in suicide attempts, this suggested it’s higher than that, so I’m not sure which is correct.

213983 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, #778 of 2222 🔗
213832 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 5, #779 of 2222 🔗

Nuance, context, proportionality, individual thought, reasoned discussion. In the age of Twitter these things no longer exist and this is the result.

213835 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Achilles, #780 of 2222 🔗

I think they still do, but they face serious headwinds from the Twitterati.

213900 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Lms23, #781 of 2222 🔗

Only a small minority are on Twitter and of them a tiny minority produce the vast majority of the content.

213843 calchas, replying to calchas, 8, #782 of 2222 🔗

If anyone had forecast the events of 2020 one year ago, then would they have been called a ‘conspiracy theorist’?

213851 ▶▶ leggy, replying to calchas, 3, #783 of 2222 🔗

Of course. We still are, despite the mounting evidence in front of everyone’s eyes.

213973 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to calchas, 1, #784 of 2222 🔗

Except nobody did. Amazing how the conspiracy theories always miss the ball even as it’s bouncing down the road. Nuff said really.

213999 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Nick Rose, #785 of 2222 🔗

A lot of people have predicted the future technocracy. They did not predict the means that it would be done.

213845 Fiona Walker, replying to Fiona Walker, 8, #786 of 2222 🔗

Off topic, but is there a secret sign by which we Sceptics can recognise each other when out and about? So we know we are not alone. No mask obviously but that might be for (ahem) “genuine” reasons and sometimes you have to, to get a job done. Should we wear a button hole, a badge or a V sign? Suggestions welcome!

213848 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to Fiona Walker, 3, #787 of 2222 🔗

A smile works for me!

213852 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Fiona Walker, 2, #788 of 2222 🔗

A visible sign of dissident thought would be very useful.

Just as those who thought of it were entirely correct about a visible sign of conformity.

213855 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Fiona Walker, #789 of 2222 🔗

Mahyar Tousi is selling some excellent sweatshirts/tops on his Youtube channel. They have ”I believe in Britain” on them.
We should NOT wear muzzles, but just a blue silk scarf/bandana (or any other colour, it’s just that mine is blue!) and only pull it up if near a Terminally Terrified person or avoiding confrontation. Have it ready and be recognised as a non-muzzler!

213858 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Fiona Walker, 2, #790 of 2222 🔗

Just saying things like “I dunno, it’s all a load of bollocks isn’t it?” to people (mask or no mask) and if they run away screaming, or start reacting violently (or if you see cogs turning in their head and it looks like their brain might explode) – then they’re not sceptical.

213878 ▶▶▶ mari, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #791 of 2222 🔗

I say this sort of thing to receptive (i.e, not brain dead) ppl at bus queues and the like. I drop in an ‘appetizer’ like ‘its ruddy stupid, isn’t it?’ and see what their reaction is and go from there.

213859 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Fiona Walker, 3, #792 of 2222 🔗

An air of confidence

213885 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Fiona Walker, #793 of 2222 🔗

Anti lockdown badges.

213893 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Fiona Walker, 2, #794 of 2222 🔗

Carry a root vegetable

213940 ▶▶▶ Adamb, replying to Cecil B, #795 of 2222 🔗

I’ve always been fond of root crops but I only started to grow last summer.

214652 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Cecil B, #796 of 2222 🔗

I just harvested some great carrots yesterday. Massive things. If I carry one, I’d be prepared the next time a mask wearer harasses me.

213901 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Fiona Walker, #797 of 2222 🔗

Slip Fact Bombs ( careful how you type that ) into the conversation, see who responds

214088 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Fiona Walker, #798 of 2222 🔗

When I was in Egypts several years ago, I noticed that most of the Christian Copts had a cross tattooed on their wrist. Let’s do something similar, and at the same time support those tattooists about to go out of business.

214198 ▶▶▶ Ruth Sharpe, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #799 of 2222 🔗

Sorry, that’s too close to an Auschwitz number for me.

214238 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Ruth Sharpe, #800 of 2222 🔗

I’m only joking about us doing it, of course… but the bit about the Copts is true.

213847 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 1, #801 of 2222 🔗

Well worth a listen. Muzzles in Victoria, and some words of wisdom from another REAL expert:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FXrR6zHOH8

213896 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Banjones, 7, #802 of 2222 🔗

Alan Jones is doing great work on Sky News Australia – why is Sky News UK such garbage?

213922 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Darryl, 1, #803 of 2222 🔗

Two separate organisations

213957 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to p02099003, 1, #804 of 2222 🔗

Sad, every major television ‘news’ organisation in the UK is far left and pro-big government tyranny in response to the largely government caused crisis.

Also they are very pro-Great Reset and Davos elite can’t imaging a piece in the UK news like the excellent Sky News Australia segment calling out the whole New World Order scam.

214071 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Banjones, 1, #805 of 2222 🔗

Alan Jones and Dr Amin nail it! Why can’t we have such excoriating commentary on UK TV or newspapers?

213853 Mayo, replying to Mayo, 3, #806 of 2222 🔗

A number of comments continue to raise the ‘With’ or ‘Of’ Covid issue.

I’ve taken a quick look at this and tried to develop an approach which might be able to tease out an estimate of the ‘With’ Covid proportion. I’m not going to go into the details now but I think it’s possible that the virus played no part in around 30% of Covid recorded deaths since the end of April.

I would prefer to check out other data before coming to a more definite conclusion. But, I am reasonably confident that the true proportion is unlikely to be in excess of 30% – and it may well be quite a bit lower.

213868 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Mayo, 5, #807 of 2222 🔗

But if 96% of deaths with c19 mentioned on the death certificate have other serious illnesses and the average age is 82.4 years – is it not reasonable to assume that a draft could also send these frail alderly ill people on their way? Are other viruses being tested for?

213921 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Major Panic, 3, #808 of 2222 🔗

Does it remain the case that deaths with nothing whatever to do with covid are still being listed as such?
I know of three specific instances and one NHS administrator who confirm it, all early in lockdown.

213935 ▶▶▶▶ mari, replying to karenovirus, 2, #809 of 2222 🔗

They cert are. Have you wondered where the ‘deaths from flu’, for example have gone? They’ve been re-branded as ‘covid’

214316 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to karenovirus, #810 of 2222 🔗

That tells us absolutely nothing about how widespread the issue is.

There was a a huge excess death bulge already apparent in early April – only a week after lockdown. You need to explain that.

213899 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Mayo, 2, #811 of 2222 🔗

What criteria are you using?
Please consider the following scenario:
Joe Bloggs, 72, is admitted into A&E with shortness of breath.
He has a history of asthma and is on regular inhalers, he has had one admission into ITU for his asthma 10 years ago.
On examination he is found to have a temperature of 37.8
oxygen saturations are 89%
respiration rate 28
His chest sounds congested.
A chest x-ray shows a broken glass like anomaly.
A blood test shows he has a raised CRP and white cell count
An RT-PCR test shows positive.
With his history he is admitted into ITU
he is placed on oxygen delivered through a CPAP and his saturations are 96%
he is also given steroids.
After 3 days intensive treatment he is transferred onto a ward, still with CPAP.
His x-ray is showing a marked improvement
He is less breathless and after another 4 days he is taken off CPAP and manages with 2 litres of oxygen.
It is planned that he is discharged as soon as he can manage 24 hours without oxygen.
However, overnight his saturations drop, he experiences chest pain and despite the best efforts Joe dies after having a pulmonary embolism.
The PE arose because he had developed a clotting disorder due to his immune system overreacting to the original disease.
Was his death from CoViD19 or with CoViD19?

213931 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to p02099003, #812 of 2222 🔗

To make things easier they should really just record every single death as being caused by hypoxia to the brain. Which would not be untrue.

214303 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to p02099003, #813 of 2222 🔗

I do not focus on individuals but on the distinctive pattern of Covid-19 deaths – particularly the Male: Female ratio.

213960 ▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to Mayo, 3, #814 of 2222 🔗

I think the starting point has to be the Medical Certificate of Cause of Death. There are up to four fields (Ia, Ib, Ic and II) where Covid-19 can be ‘mentioned’. The critical point is that “the disease or condition thought to be the underlying cause should appear in the lowest completed line of part I.”

See: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/877302/guidance-for-doctors-completing-medical-certificates-of-cause-of-death-covid-19.pdf

There is no explicit concept of “with” or “of” on the Certificate itself. So, the question should probably be: in how many instances where Covid-19 is ‘mentioned’ on the Certificate, did it appear in the “lowest completed line of part I.” I think this would give a good indication of those dying “of” Covid-19.

I submitted an FOI request to the ONS in August as follows:

“I would be grateful if you could provide a breakdown of the 51,210 registered deaths involving COVID-19 in England and Wales for Week 11 to Week 31 as follows:

(i) The number of deaths where COVID-19 is mentioned as Cause of Death in section I(a) of the Medical Certificate of Cause of Death (MCCD) with no entries in Section I(b), I(c) or II.

(ii) The number of deaths where COVID-19 is mentioned as Cause of Death in section I(b) of the Medical Certificate of Cause of Death (MCCD) with no entries in Section I(c) or II.

(iii) The number of deaths where COVID-19 is mentioned as Cause of Death in section I(c) of the Medical Certificate of Cause of Death (MCCD) with no entry in Section II.

(iv) The number of deaths where COVID-19 is mentioned in Section II of the Medical Certificate of Cause of Death (MCCD) (‘Other significant conditions contributing to death but not related to the disease or condition causing it’)”

I have not had a reply as yet.

214305 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to DeepBlueYonder, #815 of 2222 🔗

I think the starting point has to be the Medical Certificate of Cause of Death.

Not if we’re just interested in analysing the scale of the issue.

213857 p02099003, 4, #816 of 2222 🔗
213861 mari, replying to mari, 9, #817 of 2222 🔗

My son wears an ‘Im Awake, are you’? Black tee shirt

213910 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to mari, 2, #818 of 2222 🔗

Good for him

213929 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to mari, 4, #819 of 2222 🔗

Awake trumps woke, grammatically and in every other way

213944 ▶▶▶ mari, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #820 of 2222 🔗

He hates that meme

213862 Not Tiger Woods, #821 of 2222 🔗

Hi folks, does anyone have any advice about registering for Simon’s site, KBF & the forums there? have been trying to sign up, tried 2 different email addresses but just get a message saying ‘validation error’ and it won’t let me register. I see there’s an option to log in with facebook but I don’t use that. I can’t see any obvious ‘contact us’ links. thanks in advance.

213875 sky_trees, replying to sky_trees, 11, #822 of 2222 🔗

took a quick look at the Recovery website. Unfortunately I don’t think I can sign up at the moment. Their pictures of ‘ordinary people’ is doing the standard woke bigotry: someone’s clearly chosen ‘one of each’ – white woman, black man, black woman… etc. And they’ve left out the group they most dislike – white men.

removing this poisonous cultural woke nonsense is as important to me as liberty from covid and while it could just be coincidence, I have seen the pattern too many times: a simplistic view of people through the lens of gender or race and then ranking which groups you most or least favour. (And then claiming you are anti-racist, despite being hyper- obsessed with the skin colour of people you show on your website).

213886 ▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to sky_trees, #823 of 2222 🔗

That is disappointing and would put me right off, also.

213890 ▶▶ mari, replying to sky_trees, #824 of 2222 🔗

I cant find ‘Recovery’ in a general search. Have you got their full website?

213905 ▶▶▶ sky_trees, replying to mari, 1, #825 of 2222 🔗

Can’t find it at the moment, I will keep looking. It was brand new , I think someone linked it on here.

214643 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to sky_trees, #826 of 2222 🔗

How can you give a critique of a site that you can’t even find?

213964 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to mari, #827 of 2222 🔗
213980 ▶▶ Julian, replying to sky_trees, 1, #828 of 2222 🔗

There may be an element of that at work with the pictures. I couldn’t find anything else of that type and found much that was good. They are on our side. I would urge people to support it.

Those pictures might have come from stock, or from some web agency – “find us some pictures of ordinary people” and that’s probably what those kinds of places supply now, by default. To think that the Recovery steering committee sat around and decided they would exclude white men seems far fetched. They have Karol Sikora and Lord Sumption on board – both white men.

214124 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Julian, #829 of 2222 🔗

Yes, it’s just a shame that someone decided to go the diversity route with the pictures, if that is what has happened. My husband often feels he is an example of the least liked beings on the planet; white, middle aged, middle class, heterosexual male from a Christian background.
I’m sure the movers behind Recovery are freer thinkers than that though.

214650 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to steph, #830 of 2222 🔗

Please put a link to the page on the website with these photos!

214648 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Julian, #831 of 2222 🔗

What pictures are you all talking about? There are mostly just cartoons on https://timeforrecovery.org/ The two photos I saw had white people in them.

It’s bad enough spending my days living in a country where people are half-mad about a virus. Then I come here and people are talking about “woke” photos that don’t seem to exist.

214638 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to sky_trees, #832 of 2222 🔗

Are you looking at https://timeforrecovery.org/ ?

There are no photos on the site that I can see. Some cartoonised people on the home page, but since they’re all blue, race is not discernible.

Anyone reading the post I’m responding to, please look at the site yourself and make your own judgement.

213879 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #833 of 2222 🔗

On the first “rest day” of the Vuelta, approximately seven hundred people were tested for the virus. Not one of the tests was positive. I am wondering how this could be? Does anyone know?

214288 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Steve Hayes, #834 of 2222 🔗

Tests weren’t processed in the UK Lighthouse Labs.

214312 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Ceriain, 2, #835 of 2222 🔗

If the race organisers know how to get rid of the false positive problem, surely they would share the solution with the rest of us?

214485 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Steve Hayes, #836 of 2222 🔗

Would be nice wouldn’t it. 🙂

213971 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to John Stone, #838 of 2222 🔗

Sandra Bullock was in a film about that wasn’t she?

213888 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 12, #839 of 2222 🔗

I am currently compiling statistics for those who have died with athletes foot since March

It appears that the dictatorship does not record numbers

Why would they not keep figures for people dying with an infection that is generally not fatal?

If anyone has the figures would they please let me have them

213915 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Cecil B, #840 of 2222 🔗

Do we know the R rate for that?

213923 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #841 of 2222 🔗

Probably around 15 to 20

213938 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Cecil B, 5, #842 of 2222 🔗

Fergusons just run the forecast…you’re not going to like it.

214295 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Achilles, 1, #843 of 2222 🔗

Being called Achilles , surely you would know about feet, no?

213949 ▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Cecil B, 6, #844 of 2222 🔗

According to SAGE, the figures are grim for Athletes foot sufferers.
Somewhere in the region of 67 billion* with 90 billion people expected to die from it in the next 4 weeks!!

*not actual figures, Just made up off the top of my head…like SAGE do.

213894 peyrole, 1, #845 of 2222 🔗

Excellent article by Tomas Galen on Hector Drummond website, about herd immunity. Needs spreading , the article that is.
https://hectordrummond.com/2020/10/28/thomas-galen-what-herd-immunity-looks-like/#comment-28685

213906 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #846 of 2222 🔗

I like the Hunger Games theme. We’re being divided into districts now, so could be very appropriate.

213920 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #847 of 2222 🔗

Should of been in reply to the 3 finger salute comment below..dunno what happened there?

213926 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #848 of 2222 🔗

I don’t know! It was my comment. I pointed out that protestors in Thailand are using a three fingered sale from the Hunger Games

213942 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #849 of 2222 🔗

I like it! Might need a few takers before I randomly walk around holding up 3 fingers and whistling though

214090 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #850 of 2222 🔗

“…using a three fingered salute from the Hunger Games…”

Yes! Brilliant! this must become “a thing” at the next Lockdown Protest March.

213914 Allen, 17, #851 of 2222 🔗

Please stop with the “second wave” propaganda- there was no “first wave.” There was a manufactured event in which the spike you see in deaths was caused by the acceleration of death of the elderly and infirmed. These deaths were compressed into a shorter time frame by administrative malfeasance (the generous account) that resulted in administrative euthanasia.

There was NO unique killer virus that landed from Venus and produced some mythical epidemiological event aka “first wave.” This is a lie- stop perpetuating this lie.

By continuing with the “first” or “second” wave canard you are de facto providing cover for what were crimes.

On the 30th of December alarms bells were raised about a supposed “new SARS virus.” Then New Years Eve comes and in China they begin to look for reagents.

On New Years Day Drosten is developing a PCR for this “new virus”, and develops the PCR test parameters, before the results from China can be verified and proven and before the Chinese results were even made public.

Amazingly Drosten’s PCR design appeared in a day- during the New Years holiday no less- with no material yet available from which to design his test.

How does that work?

The constellation of non-stop coincidences over the last 9 months is staggering. You have to be in complete denial (and be ignorant of the history of 2009 and swine flu hoax) to not understand what has been happening over these last 9 months and to simply write it off as some “mistake” or “panic” or fill in the blank.

As for Qui Bono?

Profits on Wall Street reached $27.6 billion in the first six months of the year, an 82% increase over the same period in 2019 and nearly equal to all of 2019’s pre-tax earnings of $28.1 billion.

213916 MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 17, #852 of 2222 🔗

I got a letter from my GP surgery inviting me for my asthma review. It would, of course, since I’m a dangerous bio-hazard, be a telephone appointment. I duly phoned only to be told that there are no appointments until mid-November as the ‘slots’ are only released in 2-week batches and there are none available. I will need to phone back next week.

Assuming I actually get an appointment (which I need as any respiratory infection this winter will be bad news so I’ll need a prescription for my medication) a telephone asthma review will be a farce. No Peak Flow test i.e. the one where you blow hard down a tube, no weigh-in, no blood pressure check. I will be able to tell the practice nurse any crap I like. How will she know that I haven’t put on 3 stones in lock-down or that I’m not drinking like a fish (oh hang on….) or that I’m not terminally depressed? I am not ill but, knowing several people personally who are suffering and who are being denied care, this is unacceptable.

And that’s before you get to dire situations like the terrible account in that brilliant letter to Kwarteng in Toby’s post. MW

213925 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 5, #853 of 2222 🔗

But I thought the NHS was open and ready for business? At least that’s what the advert I keep seeing is telling me.

214031 ▶▶ chaos, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, #854 of 2222 🔗

Any other asthmatics here find their doctors are rationing inhalers? Mine will only allow one blue a month.

214045 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to chaos, #855 of 2222 🔗

So ‘fuck of and die you asthmatics’, signed the N.’H’.S. Maybe I’ll find out in the next month or so. . . . MW

214082 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to chaos, 1, #856 of 2222 🔗

May I make a suggestion? Go onto “Patient Access” and log in (make an account if necessary, but you will need a letter from your GP practice), then order repeat prescriptions online, for collection or delivery.

Brilliant system; it takes a couple of days to get the repeat prescription authorised, so you are allowed to order a week in advance. If you collect immediately, you therefore get you meds three days in advance. Repeat, and repeat every time, ordering a week in advance.

After a few months, you will have a spare inhaler in case the system collapses.

214177 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to RichardJames, 1, #857 of 2222 🔗

Many thanks for this, Richard. I tried it and it worked. Apart from the fact that it can’t make up its mind whether my prescription will be at the chemist’s in 2 or 3 days, it seems I’ll be getting an inhaler. (I still need the appointment though because I’ll need a prescription for the ‘preventer’ inhaler. I don’t like using them but I was so ill with bronchitis last year that I am inclined to use it along with the vitamin D, C etc we’re both now taking.) MW

213917 Darryl, 4, #858 of 2222 🔗

Max Ingram another rare dissenting voice in Australia (banned from YouTube for questioning Melbourne Dictator Dan Andrews) has posted another videos including suggestions to end the tyranny. He has called things correctly since March. https://www.bitchute.com/video/j45U0lQG54Ai/

213924 Lms23, replying to Lms23, 9, #859 of 2222 🔗

Dr Zoe Harcombe, PhD
@zoeharcombe
If @BorisJohnson locks down on the basis of Neil Ferguson’s latest (conflicted) scaremongering, the pair of them should be held criminally responsible, when the public inquiry is held, for the death and destruction they will cause.”

Also: “Dear @bbchealth

This headline is incorrect:
https://bbc.co.uk/news/health-54723962
There may be nearly 100,000 positive tests each day. A significant number will be false positives and many (most?) people will have no symptoms and thus, arguably, no disease.”

213943 ▶▶ Neil Hartley, replying to Lms23, 7, #860 of 2222 🔗

The pair of them should be held criminally responsible regardless – for the first lockdown and attendant consequences. Wancock too.

214059 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Neil Hartley, 2, #861 of 2222 🔗

They will be.
Goering and Co.. never thought justice would catch up with them, but it did.

214066 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Neil Hartley, 3, #862 of 2222 🔗

Hancock must not, under any circumstances, escape the full rigour of the reckoning.

He is only obeying orders. He therefore agrees with them. He therefore is in the dock with the rest, under the concept of “joint enterprise”, under which a criminal gang would all be hanged if one of them pulled a trigger.

213928 Danny, replying to Danny, 21, #863 of 2222 🔗

Listening to the news on BBC radio. All the voxpops are along the lines of how selfish people are and that “we” need a lockdown to teach us all self control. This is a pretty shameful indictment of the herd mentality and the success of the most relentless propaganda campaign since Goebbles.

213936 ▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Danny, 8, #864 of 2222 🔗

Aaahhh…the BBC, who are an impartial broadcaster……NOT!! I complained to them last month about their bias & scaremongering regarding the shite that they put out as news.

I got the reply back from them the other day there, surprise surprise, they said that they are an impartial broadcaster & that they follow government guidelines etc.

So now, I actively avoid the BBC as they are just the government’s propaganda machine.

213941 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Danny, 6, #865 of 2222 🔗

Vanessa Phelps interviewed Maureen from Barnsley the other day on the Jeremy Vine show.
She read several listeners responses starting with three straight karens who all used the word ‘selfish’ but what followed was more than a dozen or so evenly balanced views including one very well informed young man on the phone who was allowed to put over many of the points that we know so well.

214036 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Danny, 2, #866 of 2222 🔗

Avoid like the plague and try and get others to do likewise. MW

213930 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 15, #867 of 2222 🔗

Harm of masks.
A neighbour who attends the renal clinic for dialysis was told by his asthma specialist to ‘Saturate your oxygen’ and then wear the mask for ten minutes.

Normal is apparently 100, his Saturated is 90 (not good).
After 10 minutes his was 85.

Neither he nor I know of the technicalities but obviously he declares ‘exempt’.

214029 ▶▶ CGL, replying to karenovirus, 1, #868 of 2222 🔗

How selfish of him!

214133 ▶▶ leggy, replying to karenovirus, 3, #869 of 2222 🔗

I had an argument with Mrs leggy about this last night. She’s adamant that masks have no bearing on oxygenation levels. I beg to differ.

214184 ▶▶▶ Ruth Sharpe, replying to leggy, 2, #870 of 2222 🔗

They do – my Mum is in a similar situation to Karenovirus’ neighbour. My Mum even has it officially stated on her GP record that she must not wear a mask, because of the instant & detrimental effect it has on her. My Mum also says it is up to her to chose what she does with her life.

213932 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 2, #871 of 2222 🔗

How do we know that ‘tested c19 positive in last 28 days’ deaths arn’t flu/pneumonia deaths?

213934 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Major Panic, 9, #872 of 2222 🔗

we don’t

213937 ▶▶ Neil Hartley, replying to Major Panic, 6, #873 of 2222 🔗

or any other kind of death…

213952 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Major Panic, 7, #874 of 2222 🔗

Many, I suspect, are people already in hospital who are pretty ill/terminally ill, and are moved into ICU having already been tested, then die a few days later. Until Heneghan’s team or such can peruse the death certificates as they did for the July and August deaths (which showed at least 10% overstatement) we will not know. The powers that be know what they are doing, and so do we. The ‘cases’ are flattening out, ‘long covid’ is not gaining enough traction, so now we are moving to the over-inflated death figures.

213946 Lms23, replying to Lms23, 8, #875 of 2222 🔗

https://mobile.twitter.com/fleroy1974/status/1320325767620866053

Frédéric Leroy
@fleroy1974
“The cover of @TIME
: the #GreatReset is coming. Swallow the pill, folks, for your own good. The #Davos aristocracy at @wef
wants the best for you & is so kind to reset your lives in 2021. No need for democratic consultation, which would but slow down the process of your salvation.”

Time Magazine:
https://time.com/collection/great-reset/
“THE GREAT RESET
The COVID-19 pandemic has provided a unique opportunity to think about the kind of future we want. TIME partnered with the World Economic Forum to ask leading thinkers to share ideas for how to transform the way we live and work.”

Latest edition of Time magazine, but we’re just conspiracy theorists when we mention the Great Reset.

213953 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Lms23, 1, #876 of 2222 🔗

“Also on EAT’s advisory board: the founder of Rethinkx, a UK think tank promoting ‘precision fermentation protein’ to bring the meat and dairy industries to ‘#collapse’ by 2030.
New Report: Major disruption in food and agriculture in next decade — RethinkX
RethinkX projects collapse of dairy & cattle industries by 2030 as animal meat is replaced by cheaper, higher quality food made from precision fermentation protein.
rethinkx.com”

https://mobile.twitter.com/fleroy1974/status/1320325767620866053

214355 ▶▶▶ George Marchaux, replying to Lms23, #877 of 2222 🔗

How likely is Shwab’s plan to succeed though? I reserve hope that their own inflated egos will be their downfall

213947 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 4, #878 of 2222 🔗

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1321533528870244352

One of the most outlandish video ever(if that is possible)about C-19.Oregon’s Public Health Official reporting serious C-19 statistics incl. deaths dressed as a clown make up. Unbelievable.

213967 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to swedenborg, #879 of 2222 🔗

Oh dear

213979 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to swedenborg, 1, #880 of 2222 🔗

Oregon is the second most lunatic state in the Union (behind California).

Whenever there is a ridiculous story published in the USA, it’s almost always one of those two.

214105 ▶▶ Emily Tock, replying to swedenborg, 1, #881 of 2222 🔗

Yikes, I hate clowns … who decided that was a rational thing to do?

214317 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to swedenborg, 1, #882 of 2222 🔗

Is that real? Surely not?

She’ll get makeup on her mask! 😉

213955 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 7, #883 of 2222 🔗

Imagine if the world had micro managed the spread of all previous respiratory infections. Where would we be now?

Now consider what the future might be like when they attempt to micro manage all future infections.

213966 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Nobody2020, 4, #884 of 2222 🔗

In all the coronavirus responses, the only one that is sensible is wash hands, but why would anyone need the government to tell them?

213978 ▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #885 of 2222 🔗

It is a well accepted fact that the two biggest advances in medical science EVER are washing hands and anti biotics.

213959 Mike, replying to Mike, 3, #886 of 2222 🔗

anyone else notice that this appears to still be the guidance from the government regarding COVID?

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid#status-of-covid-19

213976 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Mike, #887 of 2222 🔗

Carl Heneghan also posted this yesterday, which is equally as important, the way I see it.

https://twitter.com/carlheneghan/status/1321517565366226944

214001 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Mike, 2, #888 of 2222 🔗

I was intrigued to learn that in writing 1984, Orwell was not predicting the future, but was instead describing what he had just experienced in London during the second world war.

I can find no clearer example of doublethink than when I contrast this statement from the above guidance:

“As of 19 March 2020, COVID-19 is no longer considered to be a high consequence infectious disease (HCID) in the UK.”

…with the government’s non-stop outpouring of terror-inducing statements.

I guess there’s nothing new under the sun.

Doublethink:

“The power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one’s mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them… To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just as long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies—all this is indispensably necessary. Even in using the word doublethink it is necessary to exercise doublethink. For by using the word one admits that one is tampering with reality; by a fresh act of doublethink one erases this knowledge; and so on indefinitely, with the lie always one leap ahead of the truth.”

213961 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 6, #889 of 2222 🔗

When I was a kid and somebody we knew or in the public eye died, I used to ask my dad, what did he or she die of and the reply was always : “A shortage of breath”
Strikes me that you could apply that to 99% of all deaths
Government, experts and advisors; take note.

214053 ▶▶ annie, replying to Fingerache Philip., 6, #890 of 2222 🔗

I was told that death happens officially when the brain stops.
If that’s true, a lot of dead people are walking around right now

213962 Neil Hartley, replying to Neil Hartley, 4, #891 of 2222 🔗

As “conspiracy ” theories are coming back into fashion, this is not one. It’s a statement of fact with some dots joined up that I shared here back in July:-

I’ve failed to see how/why the government can show such incompetence, so transparently, so completely in the face of Covid-19. Can they really underperform so badly that a team of six-year olds would have fared better?

I’ve wavered between looking for conspiracy theories and believing they really knew something we didn’t about how deadly Covid-19 is. Perhaps the answer is both conspiracy and them knowing something we don’t?

Have you explored the following logical thread?

The GPMB (Global Preparedness Monitoring Board, a UN/WHO/WBG organisation) report “ A World At Risk – Annual report on global preparedness for health emergencies” states on page 10 of the Exec Summary that a progress indicator by September 2020 is:

“The United Nations (including WHO) conducts at least two system-wide training and simulation exercises, including one for covering the deliberate release of a lethal respiratory pathogen.” (My emphasis.)

The simulation exercise was Event 201 in October 2019.

Could it be that Covid-19 is the “deliberate release of a lethal respiratory”?

How can we corroborate that? Well, perhaps in this recent Mike Pompeo press conference where he talks about China not sharing information when “we are in a live exercise” with Trump to his right saying, “they should have let us know.”

Perhaps the seemingly unlikely second wave is very likely given that is it part of the overall project plan? Who knows?

I can continue joining the dots with conspiracy on conspiracy but if we stick with the basic facts, it seems that a coordinated global exercise has killed hundreds of thousands of people – deliberately. Is that not a humanitarian crime?

I would love to hear your thoughts. My vestige of remaining faith in the Establishment would very much like for the logical thread to be disproved.

Links to docs are as follows:

GPMB report – https://apps.who.int/gpmb/assets/annual_report/GPMB_annualreport_2019.pdf

Event 201 ‘corporate video’ – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-FQbhkWYuY

The Pompeo press conference – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUzonZxejVI

213974 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Neil Hartley, #892 of 2222 🔗

Incompetence vs conspiracy is a false dichotomy IMO

They panicked (mixture of incompetence and cowardice) and are now “conspiring” with eachother to cover up the blunder and avoid admitting they were wrong, and are still worried about being blamed for deaths – which they absolutely would be if they “let it rip”, just as people attack the Swedes/

213997 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Julian, 6, #893 of 2222 🔗

Hydrochloroquine had been available over the counter in France for more than 60 years.

On January 13th 2020 it was made precription-only.

How does that your thesis?

Was that a blunder?

It was sugested right from day one of lockdown in March that things would nevr be the same again.

Was that a blunder?

214270 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to calchas, #894 of 2222 🔗

Fair point. Had Trump advocated it at that point? Political? Or they feared people would buy it up and they would run out, or they feared people would think it protected them when it didn’t?

213963 cloud6, replying to cloud6, 6, #895 of 2222 🔗

Nearly 100,000 people are catching coronavirus every day in England, a major analysis suggests.
The study, by Imperial College London, says the pace of the epidemic is accelerating and estimates the number of people infected is now doubling every nine days.

In that case, in 67 Days we will all be doomed, seems like I have only two months to complete my bucket list, can we have Christmas on the 25 November?

213965 ▶▶ jb12, replying to cloud6, 7, #896 of 2222 🔗

It also means the IFR is about a fraction of a part of a percent. Pandemic over then, let’s go!

214012 ▶▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to jb12, 1, #897 of 2222 🔗

They still want it both ways; millions have caught it and the IFR is > 1%.

214185 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Cicatriz, 2, #898 of 2222 🔗

Exactly. It’s so contagious that normal life needs to stop, but at the same time we are in big trouble because hardly anyone has been exposed yet despite the fact that we’ve all been so naughty and breaking the rules, so that means at least 90% of the population are still vulnerable, so we’re nowhere near herd immunity but of course herd immunity isn’t a real thing anyway so, er, lockdown.

213975 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to cloud6, 9, #899 of 2222 🔗

Just listened to its author, Professor Steven Riley, interviewed on Sky. He is an Oxford Physics undergraduate, who then migrated into computational biology with his MPhil and DPhil also at Oxford. Interestingly, he has almost exactly the same CV, and at the same time and places, as Neil Ferguson. Plays further into that axis of animosity between Roy Anderson and his acolytes vs Oxford and especially Gupta (see the defamation case from the early 2000s that led to Anderson and his team leaving Oxford to set up at ICL). There needs to be a full-scale inquiry into ICL and their political and funding links.

214017 ▶▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #900 of 2222 🔗

ICL are very plugged into the media.

Often in the biblical sense.

214181 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to cloud6, 1, #901 of 2222 🔗

Where are they getting this number from? A model I assume, but what are the parameters? What’s it actually based on?

213970 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 5, #902 of 2222 🔗

Halloween costume is sorted at least!

214034 ▶▶ CGL, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #903 of 2222 🔗

No sweeties for him!!

214079 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to PoshPanic, 5, #904 of 2222 🔗

Uncle Fester lives.

214573 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Mr Dee, #905 of 2222 🔗

Twins!!

213972 Harry hopkins, 22, #906 of 2222 🔗

Being an avid watcher of UK column news I am struck by just how professional, talented, and clever these people really are. And they are all imbued with a dogged determination to get to the truth on this whole scamdemic. The team consists of Brian Gerrish, Mike Robinson, Alex Thomson, David Scott and the incomparable Patrick Heningsen.

When you compare the brilliant efforts of these truly independent and dogged pursuers of truth, to the shallow, made up (the only qualification seems to be white teeth and tidy hair!) cardboard cut outs that pass for newsreaders on the BBC, ITV and SKY it’s a bit like comparing the football team Barcelona with that of Fleetwood town—and that’s probably an insult to Fleetwood town!

So if you haven’t yet watched these seriously investigative journalists in action I urge you to do so. Some months ago you might have thought they were talking all conspiracy theories but now they’re right on the button.

https://www.ukcolumn.org/

213977 Paul, replying to Paul, 65, #907 of 2222 🔗

Out walking our dog this morning I found myself bursting into tears,I felt bit of a prat and god knows what anyone made of the sight of a six foot man in his fifties crying as he walked a dog !,but I’d just had enough this morning.
We’d been out recently with our friends,I’ll call them Liz and Michael (not their real names) and I came extremely close to losing a valued friendship.
At the start of this Michael was worried because of serious underlying health conditions he has but over the summer seeing the reality of what was going on and listening to what I have learnt from LS he had become about 95% sceptic,Liz has been pretty sceptic all along.
Michael said he was getting very worried again due to all the ‘cases’ and the fact that an area only a few miles from where they live is now tier 3,I said not to worry because it was all smoke and mirrors,well with that he snapped at me angrily and said he didn’t want to hear anything I had to say about Covid anymore,he’s never done that before and I was taken aback,my blood rose and I was about to let go with both barrels when I saw how shocked Liz and my wife were at his outburst and how Liz was looking at me with an apologetic look pleading me not to respond,so I said nothing.
At that moment I realised that Michael was now a member of the covid cult created by the government and media by the use of fear and that if someone as intelligent and worldy wise as him could be drawn into it anyone could.He now unwilling to engage in any conversation that questions the cult narrative.It is one thing when it is someone you meet on the street or in a shop is a cult member but it is a real shock when it is a person you know well.The success of the psychological warfare unleashed on the people of the world is unbelievable.
Liz told me,when Michael was not present,that he spending far too much time watching the msm news now and wishes he wouldn’t and that she is very pissed off because Michael is becoming reclusive and doesn’t want to do much anymore,including seeing their family due to the virus risk,he was also snappy with Liz,not something I have seen before.
I am not going to fall out with Michael,our friendship is not going to be another of the un-countable casualties of this deliberate madness,but I am very worried for both of them.
Today I cannot find the words to adequately describe my sheer,deep down hate and loathing for all the politicians,media and everyone else that are destroying every last thing that matters to us all,to use the American description,I could now very readily ‘go postal’.

I said to my wife last night that if I had a genie in a bottle that said I can grant one of two wishes for you,firstly,I guarantee you thirty more years of life with no illness and no problems at all with the only proviso being that the world will always be as it is now or you could have only ten more years with the world as it was pre 2020,with all it’s ups and downs,without a doubt it would be the second choice.

We are heading for merely existing,living without life,where’s the point ?.

Incidentally,before anyone says it,I’m not being defeatist and I am most certainly not giving in.

213981 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Paul, 18, #908 of 2222 🔗

The problem always with persuading people is that you only get access to them occasionally, whereas they are continually exposed to the deluge of propaganda from the lockdowners, from government, from social media zealots, from the mainstream media and big tech outlets.

That means they will almost always slip backwards when you aren’t there, if they haven’t completely broken free of the narrative.

214019 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Mark, 13, #909 of 2222 🔗

I have found this with a friend of mine. Reinfection may not be a problem with COVID, but it certainly is with COVID propaganda.

213984 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Paul, 14, #910 of 2222 🔗

You don’t sound defeatist to me, Paul. You are just highlighting exactly why we can’t give up. The only way I could imagine not taking the 10 years option was if I had young children.

213992 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Paul, 20, #911 of 2222 🔗

I very much empathise. It’s one thing to remain calm and resolute in the face of the propaganda on TV but when it comes from the mouth of someone close to you it’s really upsetting. Last week my uncle ranted at me on the phone about how I was likely to die if I left the house and that I was furthermore selfishly putting other people at risk of dying by going out: it was truly terrible to hear things like that from a close relative.

It’s good to hear that your wife is managing to keep her head, despite the relentless ‘second wave’ discourse.

213995 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Paul, 13, #912 of 2222 🔗

I think many of us here have been in similar situations and got upset for the same reasons you do. Thankfully most of my friends and family are of similar thinking to me, but my MIL is full on sucked in by it all, not wanting us and the kids to visit…..
Its very upsetting on various levels. To see people you know to be of decent intelligence be wrapped up in it is baffling.
Lots of hugs your way x

214010 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Paul, 7, #913 of 2222 🔗

Michael needs a hug. From a stranger. I am mentally ill I think. I will cuddle Michael. I will make him better. I will hug him and stroke him and call him George Monbiot.

214030 ▶▶▶ wayno, replying to chaos, 2, #914 of 2222 🔗

nice bugs bunny reference there

214041 ▶▶▶▶ chaos, replying to wayno, 1, #915 of 2222 🔗

Of mice and men… then Bugs..

214138 ▶▶▶▶▶ wayno, replying to chaos, 1, #916 of 2222 🔗

oh yes of mice and men, our dogs called George because of the bugs abominable snow man episode. Forgot about of mice and men, even though i studied it for GCSE 🙂

214024 ▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to Paul, 6, #917 of 2222 🔗

Michael’s outburst comes from the knowledge that, deep down, he knows this isn’t right, but he is just too frightened to admit this to himself.

214044 ▶▶ annie, replying to Paul, 10, #918 of 2222 🔗

There’s always a point to living.If you burst into tears as you say, it’s because you know there’s a point to living. and you go on knowing that however grim the circumstances.
Be strong.And if you’re ever in Tenby, please come and look down on our snivelling rector from your six foot five and tell him what an a…….e he is. That would make a point. And then come on a glorious coastal walk with us and the dogs. There’s plenty of point to that.

214061 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to annie, 6, #919 of 2222 🔗

Thankyou Annie,a coastal walk with dogs and good company is just our cup of tea !.

214063 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Paul, 10, #920 of 2222 🔗

What is truly shocking is the energy many put into glaring, tutting and shaming. It’s as if they have some sort of moral high ground. It makes me want to cry watching the very elderly shuffling around wearing these vile muzzles when we know they’ve all lived through equally bad outbreaks of flu without being terrified into submission. If this is some sort of ‘reset’ and not just total incompetence and corruption to milk us for money, I wish they’d just be open and inform us instead of being slowly throttled to death. No medical treatment, no dental treatment and a constant ‘tutting’ and ‘pointing’ when you dare to go out unmuzzled. The hysteria led idiots are actually enjoying their Stasi role.

214076 ▶▶ steph, replying to Paul, 10, #921 of 2222 🔗

We are now in a situation that, if by some miracle, the government said it was all safe now we would still have a good % of the population hiding and only venturing out for absolute necessities and with face masks. Some of them would no doubt beg the government to keep the restrictions going. The fear deliberately created can not be easily dispersed. Sad times.

214085 ▶▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to steph, 3, #922 of 2222 🔗

I have family members who want this to carry on pretty much indefinitely. It’s very hard.

214178 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to steph, 6, #923 of 2222 🔗

Good luck to them if they want to do that. It will be less crowded for the rest of us.

Not a kind thing to say I know, but like many of us on here I am seriously struggling this week.

214205 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Paul, 8, #924 of 2222 🔗

I have a lot of empathy with your position Paul. Your description of Michael could just as well be describing my wife. She snapped at me two weeks ago and I mean properly snapped and shouted COVID DENIER at me. Accusing me of being “too aggressive” in promoting my sceptical thoughts. As you can imagine life was difficult for a couple of days and now we just don’t talk about our differing positions.

214596 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 3, #925 of 2222 🔗

I’m sorry that happened to you. It’s put you in a horrible situation.

I feel lucky that I am completely alone, the last living member of my immediate family. My ex-husband ended our marriage years ago. I’m completely isolated socially as well. I never dreamt that I would be one of the lucky ones.

214341 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Paul, 4, #926 of 2222 🔗

I e-mailed my photo of the empty testing station to a few friends and one responded. His wife works at the local hospital and he tells me that the testing done there is showing more cases. I asked if this meant these people were presenting to hospital with other problems and they just happen to have Covid. Which means they’re not dying from Covid but with it, perhaps?

So far the silence has been deafening.

214345 ▶▶ flyingjohn, replying to Paul, #927 of 2222 🔗

Join the Going Postal blog:

https://going-postal.com/

215190 ▶▶ John Ballard, replying to Paul, #928 of 2222 🔗

Great comment and your not alone, it’s very similar for most of us I would say.

213985 James Marker, replying to James Marker, 4, #929 of 2222 🔗

I dare say many readers of this site will have come across Dr John Campbell, the medical establishment’s everyman whose videos YouTube is very keen for lockdown sceptics to watch. Well, here’s a turn up for the books: in his latest video he makes a case that exposure to the SARS-CoV-2 virus will likely confer long-term immunity to Covid-19 – and, get this, he even condemns the scare stories about short-term immunity now doing the rounds. That is not the message that the authors of the ICL REACT study wanted to convey. Will we now see the censors at YouTube blacklist John Campbell?  I’d laugh if they did. Seriously, though, it is becoming increasingly apparent that some members of staff at ICL are operating to an agenda. It’s a dangerous game they are playing.

213989 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to James Marker, 2, #930 of 2222 🔗

People don’t like him because he has a big sign behind him saying wear a mask when doing his videos. There are people who think this is just about masks.

He had a video on immunity months ago so he’s well on board with the research there.

He’s also bigged up Vitamin D and HCQ

214040 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to James Marker, 2, #931 of 2222 🔗

Please note that the Dr in the channel name refers to the fact he has a PhD and is not the honorary title Dr afforded to medical practitioners (although not surgeons here in the U.K.).

214102 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to p02099003, 1, #932 of 2222 🔗

This fact cannot be repeated too many times.

214380 ▶▶▶ James Marker, replying to p02099003, 1, #933 of 2222 🔗

Yes, indeed, he’s a former nurse. I thought it amusing that a man so beloved of YouTube and the medical establishment is starting to go off-piste. Maybe the tide is turning!

213986 MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 15, #934 of 2222 🔗

The Wild High Peak, Thursday: Wild it is. ‘Raining heavily throughout half-term (poor kids!) and getting colder.

In a small town, yesterday: Fewer zombies than formerly in the street. 5 or 6 of us bare-faced, some with lanyards, in the supermarket. An elderly gent serving in a shop with no mask. Even better, as we yomped home with our rucksacks full of shopping, a cheery voice called out to us from a van. It was a former ‘dandelion’ who delivers for a shop offering to take our bags home for us so we could walk without them. She was smiley and relaxed, no nappy, and we gratefully accepted.

Today, breakfast in a cafe: The woman serving was masked and we had a gentle go, saying how we hated it that she couldn’t show her face. Well, it turns out that she is a full-on sceptic, and took the mask off as much as she could while avoiding any risk of ‘snitchers’ (how we detest that!!!) We had a fascinating conversation with her. She lives ‘off-grid’, insists on paying cash, and is totally up with what’s going on and told us some interesting stuff. No offence to people on here but it felt like a great relief finally to have such a conversation with someone a bit more ‘like us’ i.e. libertarian from a different place than most people on here.

We have not run a car for 20 years and we’ve avoided flying for decades. We have had issues with MSM for years and have never wanted to go near social media. We believe that western lifestyles were unsustainable and lived at the expense of ‘the many’ but we would never support this so-called and unacceptable ‘solution’. We were never against small businesses.

The gap between rich and poor (the 0.01% v the rest) is accelerating and you really don’t have to believe any ‘conspiracies’ to see what’s going on as wealth is being transferred at an eye-watering rate to big-money. The cull of the poor, sick and elderly continues apace. And it’s all cheered on by so many brainwashed morons in just about every country.

Take the airports going bust: people are quite right to say that flying will quickly become a luxury only for the very rich in private jets – we suspected this would eventually happen and, despite our views, we don’t support it. Whatever is going on is not green, it is not fair and it is truly a totalitarian nightmare which hasn’t even got going yet. We like Delingpole and Yeadon’s Convergent opportunism and Concatenation of interests and Foucault’s non-subjective intentionality. Just because there may not be a Blofeld or a Dr Strangelove behind it all does not mean that several dodgy agendas are not being served, bankrolled by some nasty psychotic characters and served by squads of narcissistic mediocrities allegedly leading governments.

Anyway, we spotted one of our very elderly sceptical friends battling through the rain with her 2 dogs. She has cancer and muscular problems but she soldiers on. The woman in the shop across the road was taking in a big delivery from a chap in a van – neither with nappies on.

But then a young man, muzzled, came in to the cafe. He could barely communicate with staff and would make no eye-contact with us. He went out, muzzled, and came back with his two tiny children – what a sad arsehole. We saw a child of about 8 across the road with a muzzle. Going down the street, we saw 2 people walking 100s of yards from anyone else, both muzzled.

Thank God that we bumped into another elderly sceptical friend with her 2 dogs. We both suddenly had the feeling that P, L, L and us are somehow part of a different species, walking through some kind of zombie film-set. We have made a leaflet which we’re going to try and distribute as best we can to ‘any bugger as’ll listen’. And, after all, four sceptics in one morning (we know of more) is not a bad score for a Derbyshire village!

And do you know what? Anti-war as we are, we are going to put on our (white) poppies and bloody well stand at the War Memorial on 11th November and keep the 2 minutes silence. We can do no less for our family members and all the others who believed that they fought for our freedom. MW

214047 ▶▶ Locked down and out, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 3, #935 of 2222 🔗

White poppies? They are an insult to those who gave their lives for this country in two world wars.

214058 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Locked down and out, 4, #936 of 2222 🔗

Really? I choose a red one but I think white has its place. I understand that it shows you are a pacifist but honour the sacrifice.

214103 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to steph, 10, #937 of 2222 🔗

Thanks, Steph. I knew this would happen if I mentioned white poppies on this site but I will stick by it and I’m not prepared to lie to appease people.

One of the people I have most respected in my life was a war hero who fought with the French Resistance and who afterwards became a pacifist. He wore a white poppy on Remembrance Day and if it’s good enough for him, it’s good enough for anyone.

Also, AlanG’s grandfather was killed in WW1 and his father was so fucked-up by his experiences in Normandy that he committed suicide when Alan was 7.

So, no it is NOT an insult otherwise we would not wear them. More info at:

https://www.ppu.org.uk/

214296 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Locked down and out, 4, #938 of 2222 🔗

A friend of mine, lifelong pacifist (Quaker) wears a red poppy and a white poppy. For the record, his family were either field nurses or Army medics in both world wars.

213996 The Spingler, replying to The Spingler, 1, #939 of 2222 🔗

Anyone seen the official rules for the new French lockdown. I’ve seen it suggested on Farcebook that people are now supposed to wear facemasks in their own homes. Can anyone confirm or deny?

214000 ▶▶ calchas, replying to The Spingler, 1, #940 of 2222 🔗

Apparently it is ‘only’ recommended, not mandatory.

214004 ▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to The Spingler, 6, #941 of 2222 🔗

The only thing that I can confirm is that if anyone ever tries to force me to wear a face nappy—anywhere and at any time—I will take great pleasure in shoving it up their ar*e!

214051 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Harry hopkins, 3, #942 of 2222 🔗

Making sure they can’t get hold of the loops!

214050 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to The Spingler, 1, #943 of 2222 🔗

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-10-13/as-holidays-approach-california-unveils-new-rules-on-family-gatherings-social-events

It’s the same in California. Masks indoors only to be removed between bites. We knew this was the road of travel when the policy is based on bad science

If cases go up, masks work surely, so it’s more masks on more people in more places, more often. Then it must be the type of mask. Then it must be the way people are wearing them.

Soon they’ll be arresting you because your government mandated mask is being worn for more than an hour.

214117 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #944 of 2222 🔗

California Dreamin -er I don’t think so

214171 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to The Spingler, #945 of 2222 🔗

Not true. Anyway there is no legal way for that to be imposed.

214718 ▶▶ Lili, replying to The Spingler, #946 of 2222 🔗

I can’t find anything about that.

214006 sue muskett, #948 of 2222 🔗

100% with you. Its mass hysteria

214007 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 3, #949 of 2222 🔗

El Presidente Sturgeon has announced her “new 5 tier” restriction area’s.

Mine is in level……3!!

She also said that “if the cases numbers go up, she could (read will) go for a full lockdown”

Arsehole that she is.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-confirms-five-tier-22924756

214014 ▶▶ stewart, replying to AnotherSceptic, 4, #950 of 2222 🔗

She is drawing inspiration from the People’s Republic of China and the People’s Republic of Victoria.

214140 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 3, #951 of 2222 🔗

Hasn’t she been arrested for murdering old people yet?

214157 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #952 of 2222 🔗

She didn’t know about it, apparently. That is despite her being asked about it during the summer when she thought eradicating Covid was more important than answering for that at that time.

214170 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to jb12, 1, #953 of 2222 🔗

So who did? It’s inconceivable that nobody in her regime knew this was happening.

214431 ▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #954 of 2222 🔗

She knew. She is just a lying cunt (excuse my language but not my sentiment).

214159 ▶▶▶ Ruth Sharpe, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #955 of 2222 🔗

No, she said yesterday, something along the lines of, ‘there are no statistics to support this’.

214168 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Ruth Sharpe, 1, #956 of 2222 🔗

Oh, that’s okay then

214009 John P, replying to John P, -9, #957 of 2222 🔗

I’m not sure that appeasing the so-called “conspiracy theorists” is a good thing, Toby.

They “know” they’re “right” so any attempt at debate or disagreement with their position is not allowed.

You’ll either be attacked directly or smeared. It’s pure paranoia, and I find it very difficult to debate them.

Their paranoia means that attempts to disagree with their positions is met with accusations of being on the side of the “enemy”.

In fact Mike Yeadon specifically said (and James Delingpole agreed) that the possibility of global conspiracy was ridiculous.

Your letter writer has been very selective in respect of the discussion between Dr Yeadon and James Delingpole and I think is very wrong in trying to suggest that he agrees with her.

The fact that organisations can and will take advantage in situations such as this is not evidence of global conspiracy. Nor is government propaganda.

It’s a very difficult situation, but in these situations, with so much chaos and uncertainty, the paranoia probably inevitable and ultimately is simply a product of human nature.

214042 ▶▶ stewart, replying to John P, 24, #958 of 2222 🔗

It isn’t a dichotomy between conspiracy or not conspiracy. It is actually something in between. Nobody has the power and ability to orchestrate all this. But many have the power, ability and motivation to take advantage of the situation and manipulate things to their benefit at the expense of our freedom, our well being etc.

People are conspiring to produce a vaccine that is imposed on all of us.

People are conspiring to impose immunity passports.

People are conspiring to impose a system of permanent health surveillance.

People are conspiring to eliminate cash and impose a world with only digital money.

People are conspiring to introduce social credit systems.

These aren’t delusions, these are plain facts.

If pointing them out doesn’t make me a conspiracy theorist. It makes me a conspiracy spotter.

214057 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to stewart, 2, #959 of 2222 🔗

Anyone in the alternative media will know this. They will actually warn you of the real conspiracy stuff to avoid, demonic cabal type stuff. There is enough on the surface to fight.

214264 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to BeBopRockSteady, -3, #960 of 2222 🔗

The alternative media are sometimes among the worst offenders, I’m sorry to say.

214158 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to stewart, 1, #961 of 2222 🔗

It isn’t a dichotomy, and I took Toby’s comment to be a joke.

214228 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to stewart, #962 of 2222 🔗

I think the issue is that as soon as you talk about these things, people have a vision of the PM taking orders from Dr No or some committee of Dr Nos speaking from some secret hideout. I know people are idiots, but that’s how their minds work. Best avoid motives altogether as a distraction, or for now just accept that our leaders are weak people who are knowingly doing the wrong thing to cover their weakness.

214255 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Julian, -1, #963 of 2222 🔗

The issue is that these things are presented as a done deal. A theory presented as fact, rather than pure speculation. That’s where you start to lose people. For example:

The vaccine for Covid is being rushed, and shortcuts are being taken (True), so people should refuse to take it (Probably wise)

So far so good, but the conspiracy continues:

BUT the government are going to make it mandatory (Possibly, but speculative), and it will have other stuff in it that will change you from being a human (Ridiculous speculation), or will have nano chips to track you (Tech that doesn’t exist).

This is where you lose people, or else gull the gullible.

214232 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to stewart, 1, #964 of 2222 🔗

Yes, but there is a difference between recognising that these groups with an agenda to push are pushing that agenda, and believing that everything is already a done deal and this is EXACTLY what is about to happen. Or even that these people are behind the hijack of democracy and rights.

(I’m not saying this is you, btw, just pointing out the difference)

214064 ▶▶ Alexei, replying to John P, 2, #965 of 2222 🔗

Are devotees of the Globally Synchronised Cockup Theory™ also worried about catching Covid Toe? Because they’re both equally fantastical.

214231 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Alexei, -2, #966 of 2222 🔗

I don’t know which devotees you are talking about. Politicians copy eachother, because they are all human and face similar issues, and this issue has global presence. It’s not cockup, it’s cowardice, vanity and political expediency.

214266 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Julian, #967 of 2222 🔗

And panic, precisely the situation we were in back in March.

214068 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to John P, 6, #968 of 2222 🔗

She selected the best bits – either that or we listened to a different discussion.

And what about Yeadon insisting that Vallance is lying? Isn’t that a ‘conspiracy’ theory? You are making the mistake of confusing facts with theory. The facts get plainer by the day but of course you can feel free to nurse your cock-up theory – and it is a theory not a fact.

We are delighted that James Delingpole and Toby Young are now willing to see that this is a lot more than panic and incompetence. We need clear sight to fight this. MW

214274 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 1, #969 of 2222 🔗

And what about Yeadon insisting that Vallance is lying? Isn’t that a ‘conspiracy’ theory?

No, that is an accusation. And Yeadon is challenging Vallance to sue him. Go digging into most conspiracy theories and most of what they claim to be “fact” is bullshit.

214381 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Nick Rose, #970 of 2222 🔗

Thanks so much for explaining that to me. MW

214087 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to John P, 2, #971 of 2222 🔗

I’m not sure that appeasing the so-called “lockdown zealots” is a good thing, Toby.
They “know” they’re “right” so any attempt at debate or disagreement with their position is not allowed.
You’ll either be attacked directly or smeared. It’s pure paranoia, and I find it very difficult to debate them.
Their paranoia means that attempts to disagree with their positions is met with accusations of being on the side of the “enemy”.

FTFY

214092 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to John P, 2, #972 of 2222 🔗

Yeadon stated that Vallance was lying.but wouldn’t be drawn on the reasons.Remember lying not incompetence.
As for believing in incompetence I think that is more of a theory than believing there is an orchestrated design behind this.
Each day brings more proof.It is inconceivable that the leaders of France and Germany haven’t conversed in private before coming to the decision to lock down both their countries on the same day.

214224 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to John P, #973 of 2222 🔗

This is what tends to happen. I’ll be conducting a thorough dig into the WEF and the “Great Reset” in the near future, though I have another project to finish off first. I suppose this means wasting some money and, worse, life reading Schwab’s books (yuk). We’ll see what I find.

But I’m afraid that lockdown scepticism will attract those who do want or need to find a reason why. It’s not too surprising some are led down the CT route.

214249 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Nick Rose, #974 of 2222 🔗

I’ll be conducting a thorough dig into the WEF and the “Great Reset” in the near future, though I have another project to finish off first.
Good to hear. I’ve been trying to find time to do that and have been gathering some material as well. I’m happy to email it all over to you/discuss. I want to condense it down to a leaflet.
If you want to get in touch please do so via my website. I posted some comments on LS yesterday and should have copied them.
Shall we work together on this?
Here’s my site https://www.beautyandthebeastlytruth.com/contact-us
I found a couple of things that look to me very significant.

214600 ▶▶▶ Helen, replying to Nick Rose, #975 of 2222 🔗

The term ‘Conspiracy Theorist’ is a distraction fallacy and a cancelling hypothesis

Its a distraction tactic of the accuser

Accuser being the person who calls the other a CTist

214359 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to John P, 1, #976 of 2222 🔗

Conspiracies have always existed.
So why not theorise or hypothesise about them, as pertains to the current situation?
There is nothing ‘crazy’ about doing that…

It’s this binary; ‘you either are or you aren’t’, that is both irrational and divisive.

People here are very receptive to debate. Why not try it?

We ask ourselves; ‘Can they all be that stupid?
And frankly, some of them; yes. But not all of them…

But we can choose for ourselves as to whether we think there are just almighty policy blunders, or bits of self-interest (contracts for the boys) and maybe little local conspiracies going on here and there, or a real concatanation of powerful global interests bent on something much more dangerous and sinister..

People can or will be able to see the personal consequences as things unfold.
A job loss, a suicide in the family, a relative you cannot visit or even see, an untreated serious illness etc etc.
So that’s the first realisation that needs to be reached. That Govt policies are bringing this about. And these policies should therefore be protested against (in whichever way).

As to the wider scenario; I would suggest that the events that are currently unfolding are increasingly turning ‘conspiracy theories’ into undeniable realities.

Paranoia is irrational fear. If you were talking about the direct threat from the virus, then I would agree with you.
But fears about the ‘response’, are clearly not paranoia.

214398 ▶▶ Mark H, replying to John P, 2, #977 of 2222 🔗

Part of why Yeadon and Delingpole said the idea of a global conspiracy is the number of people that would need to be involved, and all of them needing to keep their mouths shut.

However, none of this mouth-shutting malarkey was needed. It was openly and publicly shown to be planned at Event 201.

The WEF has been talking about the Fourth Industrial Revolution since around 2017. Openly.

214013 stewart, replying to stewart, 5, #978 of 2222 🔗

How much longer before catching “covid” and dying starts becoming an attractive option?

214016 ▶▶ chaos, replying to stewart, #979 of 2222 🔗

You need to be +80 and abandoned by your family for that to happen.

214065 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to chaos, 3, #980 of 2222 🔗

I don’t know. Fancy living inthe following world:

Everyday, before leaving the house you have to test yourself and pass the test. If you don’t pass the “health” test or you don’t even take it and leave the house, a signal is sent to the police to arrest you.

You can’t leave your house without being traced because you have a microchip that is constantly emitting a signal.

Every three months you have to report to a medical centre to get a series of “immunity boosting” vaccimations. Failure to report will result in arrest.

Criticism of the system means you lose social access points. If you lose all your social access points you are confined to your house and through confinement and completion of re-education courses you can rebuild your social credit.

Don’t know you but dying of covid is more appealing than all that to me. And I’d say that is the direction of travel at the moment.

214072 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to chaos, 2, #981 of 2222 🔗

I’m a long, long way from giving up. But I’ve got 37 years to go until I reach 80 and I won’t want to spend them all like this, or in any of the dystopic futures that we fear might emerge.

214015 Hieronimusb, replying to Hieronimusb, #982 of 2222 🔗

It appears to me that the Nobel Prize classifications are no longer adequate and that additional categories are now needed. When, for instance, can we expect to see a prize for Vandalism? Or Onanism? Or Cold-Blooded Murder? I nominate Mark Drakefold, he of the duck-filled platitude, for the first of these and Wet Handcock for the second. Fungus the Bogeyman must be a strong contender for the third.The prizes themselves will be penitentiary rather than pecuniary, further categories and nominations are invited. Perhaps an entirely fresh branding should be considered to run in parallel with the original – the Ignoble Prize?

214759 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Mr Dee, #984 of 2222 🔗

Shucks, they beat me to it, no prizes for me then 😉

214018 Edward, replying to Edward, 1, #985 of 2222 🔗

Is this a sensible analogy and argument?

Flu = red squirrels, covid = grey squirrels, humans = trees.

Grey squirrels were introduced to the UK from the Americas in the late 19th century. They adapted well to a range of habitats and are now dominant throughout the UK, apart from some remote places and islands where native red squirrels are still found.

Both flu and covid can be present in a human, but covid will develop more readily, hence the current situation in which flu seems to be largely absent and covid more prevalent. The two ailments have many symptoms and outcomes in common. The effect is exaggerated by the flawed use of PCR tests (“seek and ye shall find”).

The dominance of grey squirrels developed over decades. Timescales are much shorter (months) at the microbiological level.

214062 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Edward, 2, #986 of 2222 🔗

Well, it’s not entirely nuts.. greys are certainly more virulent and damaging, I live in open farmland and shoot the little bastards whenever I can (without a PCR test).

214100 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Hieronimusb, #987 of 2222 🔗

I hope you eat them too. Quite tasty so I’ve heard.

214196 ▶▶▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Mr Dee, #988 of 2222 🔗

Prefer rabbit personally

214202 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Mr Dee, #989 of 2222 🔗

Taste like rat, apparently.

214363 ▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Mr Dee, #990 of 2222 🔗

No, but the foxes do!

214025 John P, replying to John P, 11, #991 of 2222 🔗

For those here (hopefully the overall majority) still willing to listen to informed debate, here is a link to an excellent discussion between Neil Oliver and Richard Madeley on Talk Radio from yesterday:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaErb5sOD4w

Both are outspoken but thoughtful lockdown sceptics. Madeley really brought the best out of Neil Oliver. I hope that they will give him a full time job on Talk Radio.

214027 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to John P, 4, #992 of 2222 🔗

I listened to it the other day, thought it was very good also!

214032 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Janice21, 2, #993 of 2222 🔗

It was brilliant Janice. In fact, I’m going to listen to it again.

214048 ▶▶▶▶ Janice21, replying to John P, 1, #994 of 2222 🔗

I might actually do that as well! Although admittedly it has reignited a guilty crush I had on Richard Madley from when I was a teenager.

214046 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to John P, 5, #995 of 2222 🔗

Neil Oliver is excellent he makes fantastic points throughout.

214054 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to John P, #996 of 2222 🔗

Thanks, we’ll give it a listen. This conversation between the Telegraph cartoonist, Bob Moran and Alex McCarron is long but fascinating:

https://escapefromlockdown.buzzsprout.com/1013854/6075553-episode-23-bob-moran

MW

214126 ▶▶ Edward, replying to John P, 3, #997 of 2222 🔗

I first came across Neil Oliver in the “Coast” TV series. Nowadays he keeps popping up in programmes about Vikings, Scottish clans etc etc which I don’t watch but see the trailers for. Obviously there’s no chance the BBC would allow him to say anything anti-lockdown on their channels. All credit to him for being so passionate and finding other media outlets.

214591 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Edward, #998 of 2222 🔗

What a shame he wears a mask. MW

214026 Sailing Gypsy, replying to Sailing Gypsy, 1, #999 of 2222 🔗

How do we register our support, financial or otherwise for the “Recovery” group, is it too early to expect details?

214099 ▶▶ maggie may, replying to Sailing Gypsy, #1000 of 2222 🔗
214172 ▶▶▶ Sailing Gypsy, replying to maggie may, #1001 of 2222 🔗

Thanks Maggie!

214028 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 5, #1002 of 2222 🔗

So “Covid Toe” turns the pinkies purple? What about Covid Brain, which not only ages the grey matter ten years but drops the IQ an average of 8.5 points?

Are Johnners and Cackhand not exemplars of this unfortunate outcome?

214060 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Stuart, 1, #1003 of 2222 🔗

I thought Covid toe was a joke until I saw a headline on it today. I am speechless

214075 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Janice21, 4, #1004 of 2222 🔗

It’s a whole porn thing, it’s to do with closely fitting swimwear… oh wait. Sorry, mixing it up with something else…

214080 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #1005 of 2222 🔗

First laugh today!

214106 ▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #1006 of 2222 🔗

Making Sam Vimes laugh is truly one of the proudest moments of my life. I know, I should get out more.

214125 ▶▶▶▶ Janice21, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #1007 of 2222 🔗

Its as well I didnt read that before lunch!

214175 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #1008 of 2222 🔗

Reminds me of the old saying: Men go out of this world as they came in: no hair,no teeth and a little c××k.

214093 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Janice21, 4, #1009 of 2222 🔗

I have been less sceptical about this. In March I had mild symptoms that we are told go with covid (peristent cough, fever) and felt a smidgeon under the weather for a week or so. Thought nothing of that, but at the same time developed what seemed to be very painful chilblains for the first time in my life, without my feet ever getting unduly cold. They took weeks to heal and have left my tootsies scarred. That made me wonder if I had had the lurgy when I saw associated reports a few weeks later.

No reason why some type of rash wouldn’t accompany a virus, I suppose. I’m willing to consider that covid toes could be a ‘thing’, but why should we care? does anyone really want an untested vaccine to protect against purple toes?

214162 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #1010 of 2222 🔗

I suddenly developed finger chilblains out of nowhere a couple of years ago. They start in September and go on until around May. Wouldn’t even have occurred to me that it might be caused by a virus. GPs don’t care, just one of those things. If I’d developed it after having covid however, it would be listed as a long term effect and I’d be getting sympathy and support. It’s just too inconsistent for me.

214220 ▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1011 of 2222 🔗

That sounds very unpleasant. I’m sorry to hear that. I certainly wasn’t looking for sympathy, in fact I’ve never mentioned my strange toes to anyone previously and consider them a non-issue. If they come back this winter I will stick sudocreme on them, wear two layers of socks and carry on. It’s extremely unlikely that I will be submitting to a pcr test either way!

214749 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Charlie Blue, #1012 of 2222 🔗

I wasn’t having a go at you, more railing against the avid attention given by the media to any symptoms deemed to be Long Covid whilst everything else is ignored.

214206 ▶▶ bucky99, replying to Stuart, #1013 of 2222 🔗

Just the 8.5??

214033 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #1014 of 2222 🔗

Much to my irritation, I’ve just posted a very long thing… in the wrong day, because my iPad opened yesterday’s page from my history. So I apologise and am now going to repost here. It’s quite long and requires two posts. I will post everything as replies to this. Bear with me. Thank you.

214035 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #1015 of 2222 🔗

In Wagner’s Siegfried,
There is a very amusing scene in which Siegfried, having killed the dragon and drunk its blood, not only finds that he can understand the language of the birds, but also realizes that he can hear the hidden truth of what people are saying to him. So when he meets Mime, the irritating dwarf who’s been grooming him to do his dirty work for him, Mime thinks he’s being incredibly clever and hoodwinking Siegfried, but Siegfried is secretly hearing the truth of what Mime means. It’s a difficult scene to stage well, and requires great acting from both men. Here’s a snippet of the libretto that Mime sings (while believing himself to be singing something else) and that Siegfried hears:
MIME Take this and drink to refresh yourself.
SIEGFRIED I’d love a nice drink. How did you make this?
MIME Oh, just drink it, trust my skills!
Your senses will soon sink into night and fog;
Unwaking, unknowing, you’ll just lie there stretched out.
And when you’re lying there,
It’ll be easy for me to steal the goodies:
But if you ever woke up, I’d never be safe from you,
Even if I had the ring!
So I’ll take the sword,
That you forged, so sharp,
And take the precaution of chopping your head off:
Which will secure me a peaceful life, and the ring!
SIEGFRIED You want to murder me in my sleep?
MIME (in a rage) WHAT DID YOU SAY? DID I SAY THAT? (Sweetening his voice as much as he can) All I want to do is take your little head (with careful precision) and hack it off!

So, inspired by this scene, I have decided to write a short announcement which Boris Johnson will be making on national TV in the next couple of days. He’ll think he’s saying something else, but we’ll hear him. (Siegfried takes his sword and stabs Mime to death, by the way.)

214038 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 7, #1016 of 2222 🔗

Friends, I know you’ll be expecting some bonhomie from me, and some jollification, perhaps even a glimmering luminescence at the end of the tunnel, so I’m going to pretend to do all that. Here I am, good old Boris (my friends call me Al, you know, Boris is my political identity, it’s a total fake, beginning to end), up here fighting for you against the forces of EU darkness and Making Britain Great Again, all that stuff. About none of which, incidentally, I could care a rat’s posterior. My true intent is all for your vote. Unless you’re female and presentable, in which case, to quote that old lag Auberon Waugh, I might try to persuade you that there’s a bit of pleasure and profit to be had from a spot of squelching. Not that I like women, but I crave the validation.
Anyway, I’m here tonight to announce how things are going to go from now on. I’m not going to fiddle about with euphemisms or elaborate metaphors. No circuit breakers, none of that. The thing is, this virus is revealing profound truths about us all and the way we live. It’s like an MRI scan (sorry, by the way, to those of you waiting for those), revealing the hidden pathologies of our economic system. Oh, look at that, an elaborate metaphor. Well, I always was a bullshitter of the first water. Anyway, this MRI scan, what it shows is this: our entire society is built on debt. We need to constantly extend more and more credit, all the time, not in order to do new things, but in order for the existing things not to fall apart. And it’s not sustainable, friends, it really isn’t. So this whole virus thing is a pretext for resetting the whole system. I don’t understand the ins and outs of it because the only ins and outs I care about are the kind that requires a Beethoven soundtrack, if you get my drift. But the point is: this is what people are telling me I have to do. And because all I want is to stay Prime Minister and get my bloated, whale-like statue on the fourth plinth, I’m going with it, and sod the lot of you.
So we’re going to lock down. Not just for a couple of weeks, or a month, but permanently. That’s it, folks. Everything you thought was important, you’re about to discover, isn’t. Your jobs are going to disappear anyway and be taken by, I don’t know, Chinese robots, or Chinese people – honestly, it’s quite difficult to tell the difference. Sport, theatre, socialising, Masterchef, it’s all ancient history – and take it from me, ancient history is a lovely, lovely thing to lose yourself in and forget all your worries. So buy your DVDs of your favourite football matches, your favourite Shakespeare plays, opera performances, HAVE them all there in your bookcase, on demand, so you can live out your meaningless, empty days in a dream of the past and the future that might have been. Because this is real. Here’s the lowdown on covid. It’s quite nasty for a very small number of people, and what we’re doing is amplifying that message for all we’re worth. For most people, covid isn’t even a thing, but again, what we’re doing is gaslighting you all to make you suspect, somewhere deep in your bones, that you’re wrong, and actually this is the Plague of Justinian. Plague of Justinian, by the way, put an end to the dreams of resurrecting the Roman Empire in the West and consigned Byzantium to a bizarre career as an imperial relic, alienated from its neighbours, lost in arcane but incredibly bitter disputes about details of climate change theory, until at last in 1453, Erdogan put it out of its misery and turned all the churches into mosques. By the way, isn’t the irony hilarious, about me and that letter boxes thing, going on and on and on about women covering their faces, and now here I am, exhorting you to do just that?
I’m rambling. It’s my strategy. It makes girls take pity on me and say “OH FOR FUCK’S SAKE I’D RATHER YOU JUST SHAGGED ME AND BUGGERED OFF THAN LISTEN TO THIS FOR ANOTHER TEN SECONDS”.
Point is, friends: there’s no way out. You’re locked down because we haven’t the faintest fucking idea what to do to save our faces, and actually locking you down might just give us a prayer of solving the whole exponential debt thing. (I learned the word “exponential” from Matty Hancock, it’s brilliant, isn’t it? Apparently according to the OED it means “incredibly scary”, from the Greek “exponeios”, which if memory serves means “getting caught with your pants down”.) So, basically, fuck you, fuck the country, fuck everything, hunker down now, there’s a good populace, God Save the Queen, see you in hell, suckers, DARTS KEITH!

214052 Now More Than Ever, replying to Now More Than Ever, 12, #1017 of 2222 🔗

Isabel Oakeshott reporting that Simon Dolan has been banned from Twitter for 12 hours for “spreading misleading/potentially harmful information about Covid”.

214070 ▶▶ ambwozere, replying to Now More Than Ever, 3, #1018 of 2222 🔗

Just seen that, too much suppression going on now.

214073 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Now More Than Ever, 5, #1019 of 2222 🔗

Potentially harmful to whose interests?!

214116 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Hieronimusb, 4, #1020 of 2222 🔗

The social media giants have had a policy of banning people who they believe are contradicting the WHO. This has been going on for several months now, and has affected hundreds of You Tube/ Facebook /Twitter users.

214114 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Now More Than Ever, 3, #1021 of 2222 🔗

Convenient with the court case today

214129 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Now More Than Ever, 2, #1022 of 2222 🔗

Oh dear, not another cock-up? 😉 MW

214067 Edward, replying to Edward, 10, #1023 of 2222 🔗

Two snippets from this morning.

Youth in the street, nowhere near shops, black cloth mask and a T-shirt saying “FEARLESS”. He probably thinks he looks “hard”. Going unmasked is “harder” nowadays.

In Aldi, person in front of me paid by cash but didn’t have enough (over £50). Tried to pay the rest by card, but either there wasn’t enough money in the account, or there were technical difficulties with the card or reader. Tried to do something with a phone but no success there either. Eventually handed back a few items to bring the cost within the cash amount. When it was my turn the assistant apologised for the delay, but I said it was fine and made a point of being friendly as he, another assistant and myself were the only free faces in the store.

214314 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Edward, 1, #1024 of 2222 🔗

I tried Viagra eye drops once. Did nothing for my sex life but did make me look hard.

214069 Dermot McClatchey, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 1, #1025 of 2222 🔗

Something not right about that article allegedly from a dissident civil servant. Firstly, the whole tone of the piece is suspicious- to me, anyway. Secondly, how senior is this alleged civil servant if s/he doesn’t know the diiference betwwen “there” and “their”, and doesn’t know how to use the genitive case ( the great leaders decisions)?

214130 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 2, #1026 of 2222 🔗

If you want to understand the Civil Service response to this crisis clearly use this comparison of instruction.

“Jump”

“how high?”

That’s it. There is no challenge. There is no critical thinking going on (especially so at higher levels) no voice is given to more junior staff who propose a challenge. They are actively shut down by the senior levels who foresee their promotion and route to the top to be dependant on how high they jump on instruction.

214189 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Leemc23, 4, #1027 of 2222 🔗

When I was 25 I underwent the rather gruelling, 5 hour IQ test which then formed the first stage of appointment to a Civil Service executive officer post (or some such thing, basically fast-track to higher level.) When I went to stage 2 – interview – I was told that I had performed extremely well in the written test. I am thankful and proud to say that following my interview (and I used to be very good at interviews) I was turned down for a post. I put it down to the fact that they gleaned from my responses that I had my own mind.

214153 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Dermot McClatchey, #1028 of 2222 🔗

Why do you automatically assume a civil servant has to be intelligent?

214233 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to jb12, #1029 of 2222 🔗

Top echelons, back in the day when a ‘first’ meant something, needed a first from a top university.
The civil service examinations had a fearsome reputation – I recall (1984) I was at a top college in a top university and mention of these exams caused a sharp intake of breath.
High IQ was definitely required.
Incidentally, a few decades earlier and the entrance standard to the Indian Civil Service was even higher.
One of my uncles was in the Civil Service and he was truly intelligent and dedicated and honest, and so was another.
On the other hand, I know someone in it, and knew him when he was young, questioning and highly highly independent and intelligent, and he seems to me to be none of those things now.

214391 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Dermot McClatchey, #1030 of 2222 🔗

TBF I’ve worked with some pretty dim senior civil servants.

214078 Janice21, 3, #1031 of 2222 🔗

Does anyone else follow Rachel Elnaugh or seen any of her clips on Youtube? She is very good. A lot of reporting that test centres are empty.

214081 Alan P, replying to Alan P, 27, #1032 of 2222 🔗

So glad I don’t live in a country like Iran or Saudi Arabia where people (mainly women) are forced to wear certain clothing items or face public hostility. It’s so liberating not to have rules over what has to be worn in public.

Now that’s sarcasm (apologies to father Ted)….

214104 ▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to Alan P, 10, #1033 of 2222 🔗

Did you watch John Simpson ‘s programme on the Berlin Wall? He made some comments about the lack of freedom, repression, Stasi surveillance etc – there’s not an inch of difference between that and what we have here in the Hotel California Tiers 2 and 3. And why do we start at Level Medium? Surely we should have a Level Normal?,

214084 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 19, #1034 of 2222 🔗

It’s my birthday tomorrow. Better half has bought me a nice new hat. Apparently it’s called a ‘bucket poacher hat’. It’s really nice and I love it—-especially now that I’ve attached my favourite badge to it! Thanks two six!

214089 ▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to Harry hopkins, 3, #1035 of 2222 🔗

Hope you have a wonderful birthday. Enjoy the hat. Go out without a mask and stand near someone to celebrate.!!

214333 ▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Anne Passman, #1036 of 2222 🔗

Your wish is my command Anne—will do soon enough. Thank you.

214098 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Harry hopkins, 2, #1037 of 2222 🔗

Happy birthday, Harry.

214331 ▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Fingerache Philip., #1038 of 2222 🔗

Much appreciated Philip.

214119 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #1039 of 2222 🔗

Penblwydd Hapus!

214328 ▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Mr Dee, #1040 of 2222 🔗

I love Wales. Will visit again when this nonsense is over. Thanks Mr Dee

214139 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #1041 of 2222 🔗

Happy birthday!

214323 ▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #1042 of 2222 🔗

Thanks Northumbrian—my home county. A better coastline exists nowhere!

214197 ▶▶ Margaret, replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #1043 of 2222 🔗

Mine too, Harry. Happy birthday!

214219 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Margaret, 1, #1044 of 2222 🔗

And mine!

214318 ▶▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1045 of 2222 🔗

It seems to me that us Scorpios are over represented in Lock down sceptics!
We always did have a sting in our tail—All the best Contrarian!

214746 ▶▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Harry hopkins, #1046 of 2222 🔗

Thanks you too!

I think being “stubborn” is a Scorpio trait isn’t it?

214337 ▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Margaret, #1047 of 2222 🔗

Congratulations Margaret—Scorpios together!

214899 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Harry hopkins, #1048 of 2222 🔗

Happy Birthday Harry!. Nice hat and that badge really sets it off very well.

214086 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 11, #1049 of 2222 🔗

How much longer do fellow sceptics think it will be before Lockdown sceptics is classed as a prescribed terrorist organisation?

214112 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #1050 of 2222 🔗

Another week or so? Plenty of terror on the TV and radio

214186 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #1051 of 2222 🔗

Yes – this is worrying me a bit – we all get too much from this site to lose it – is there a contingency plan?

214217 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to CGL, 4, #1052 of 2222 🔗

Me too. Don’t think I’d cope without it.

214091 calchas, replying to calchas, 11, #1053 of 2222 🔗

Musing:

As fas as I know nobody ever talked about pandemics – at least in the West -during the 50s, 60s, 70s,80s,90s. – the time I was growing up and getting older. There were of course flu waves. They were basically regarded as belonging to the background of life.

This starts to change in the early 2000s with Sars.Thereafter, the idea of the ‘pandemic’ becomes a durable cultural meme, hovering over us, with films like ‘Contagion’ We had:bird flu, swine flu, MERS and Ebola in 2014.

Over the same – less than two decades time – period we see an extremely heavy mainstream push against people criticising vaccinations for whatever reason.Vaccinations had been encouraged before, I have had plenty myself and they have definitely been a plus for the human race, but the aggressive hounding of ‘anti-vaxxers’ has been at a whole new level. It is almost as if those who critique vaccinations have committed some kind of theological crime.

Global vaccination programs seem to have become an obsession of those who claim to help the world’s poor and yet things just don’t add up. Every year 800,000 children die of pneumonia worldwide.Many of these could be saved merely by mobilizing cheap vaccinations against pneumonia which already exist. This would cost a pittance in comparison to developing a vaccination against covid19. More lives could be saved more quickly at much less cost.
It’s as if somevaccinations are more equal than others.

So, yes, over the last 20 years, the idea of the ‘pandemic has become a prominent cultural meme, while vaccination has almost been elevated to the status ofa sacrement, but inconsistently so.

214095 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to calchas, #1054 of 2222 🔗

Absolutely correct.

214151 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to calchas, 2, #1055 of 2222 🔗

Well said and good analysis of smearing – and agree with most of it – the thing that improves lives the most is not medicine but engineering though, sanitation and clean water.

214164 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Rosie, 1, #1056 of 2222 🔗

Absolutely.

214194 ▶▶ Hoppity, replying to calchas, 1, #1057 of 2222 🔗

“I blame the internet.”

214278 ▶▶ djaustin, replying to calchas, #1058 of 2222 🔗

Influenza has been with us for years and pandemics were a thing. When I was younger I didn’t think about them either 😉

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/pandemic-timeline-1930-and-beyond.htm

The emergence of SARS, in particular, was an eye-opener as it has such high mortality. MERS even higher but much less transmissible (don’t snog camels). Ebola has the potential for considerable mortality. All four are new pathogens, not previously identified by virologists, who do go out looking for these things as part of their research.

214387 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to djaustin, #1059 of 2222 🔗

Nobody thought about pandemics in western countries from say 1955 to 2002.

This is a meme which has taken off since then.

214307 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to calchas, #1060 of 2222 🔗

At the start of this I commented that the WHO need to make a big deal of things to justify their existence.

214094 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 9, #1061 of 2222 🔗

Pretty much constant rain, now, and snow before long. It’ll be fun to watch the mask idiots waterboarding themselves.

214097 ▶▶ annie, replying to Sam Vimes, 7, #1062 of 2222 🔗

What to do when your nappy freezes to your lips…

214101 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #1063 of 2222 🔗

Looking forward to it.

214113 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #1064 of 2222 🔗

Where be ‘ee? I be up North and it be lashing down here.

214096 Laura Suckling, 2, #1065 of 2222 🔗

Brendan O’Neil interview:

Very anti lockdown https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4bT7gMrlgs&t=1844s

214107 BeBopRockSteady, 3, #1066 of 2222 🔗

Ivor Cummings and David Kurten on the Richie Allen Show yesterday. Worth a listen. Excellent stuff.

214110 Gillian, 9, #1067 of 2222 🔗

As someone has already noted, Dr John Campbell seems to be rubbishing the idea that immunity from reinfection depends solely on antibodies in the blood. He is clearly moving his readership towards acceptance of natural herd immunity (hallelujah!) although he has recently decried the GBD (not sure why, could not bear to watch the video).

I found the following interesting comment on his latest video. By the spelling I imagine that it has been left by a US contributor. This might be helpful in shaping a good explanation for natural herd immunity to those who don’t accept it:-

Allowing the infection to pass through the general healthy population, that effectively have almost a zero percent chance of serious infection and or long term effects. This is the Only way to completely neutralize the viral virulence. Prolonged isolation of the elderly or people in care homes is nothing less than inhumane and should be considered crimes against humanity.

The strangest phenomenon to be witnessed in this century at such a colossal scale, is “Science Denialisim”. (refusal to accept and ultimately deny, /even in the science community/ established fundamental, empirical science and facts.) Bluntly stated: ignorance perpetuates irrational fear, fueled primarily by the hyper hysterics of this internet era.

Naturally acquired Herd immunity is not an objective opinion or hypothesis, a theory, a strategy or a debate, it is biological law, like gravity or the laws of thermodynamics. Empirical biological law such as herd immunity is the absolute truth, it never changes, alters, wavers or is effected by political human agenda, or monetary gain, it exists and occurs whether anyone believes in it or not!

For simplicity of explanation, there are basically two (type) classifications of pathogenic virus. First (type) High virulence/low infectious virus ( ie EBOLA, AIDS, Rabies etc.) 85-99% death rate regardless of age or health status, but very low level infectious rate. (relatively very difficult to contract). Second (type) Low virulence/high infectious virus (ie influenza, Corona ) ubiquitous, (very common) extremely high infectious rate, but very low level virulence. Essentially almost a zero percent chance of death among the general healthy population with normal functioning immune systems.

There has never in history been an effective Cor/virus vaccine, caused by two fundamental factors, antigenic shift (mutation, generating virulence dilution) and acquired antibody immunity, that occurs far more rapidly than any vaccine can be developed, tested and globally distributed. In other words, any vaccines that are being developed right now as we speak, are already dated and ineffective.

The high case counts with low casualty numbers are a normal predictable pattern of all Corona viral outbreaks. The virus has drastically weakened virulence from T-Cell antibody immune response to massive population infection spread and saturation, to the extent it becomes, to the vast majority, nothing more than another common cold like annoyance.

Because the SARS-COV-2 virus is now at the epidemiological low level virulence classification, what is known in epidemiology as the pathogen endemic equilibrium phase. (viral stasis) All future focus should be towards (MPIE) mass population immunization by exposure, (herd immunity) from the healthy population, at as normal a rate as possible, in order to protect the most vulnerable health population.

Any deviation from this narrative from the scientific community will only prolong the suffering and cost more lives to be lost. Instead of trying desperately to prove to the world that they were right, it is long overdue time for all scientists to admit consensus and follow the exact public health protocol that has been unspokenly used for every pandemic in modern history, whereas naturally acquired population immunity (herd immunity) is the principal driving force and Not in refute.

214118 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 14, #1068 of 2222 🔗

Here’s one for those who love a conspiracy:

https://twitter.com/BritainFree/status/1321804812137222145

SILENCED

Simon Dolan has been suspended by Twitter on Day 1 of our court case.

This is a clear attempt to censor our views and deplatform us. Don’t let them get away with it.

RT this and show them WE WILL NOT BE SILENCED.

214131 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Nick Rose, 5, #1069 of 2222 🔗

Why do people still use this twitter bollocks. We complain yet we still contribute.

214176 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #1070 of 2222 🔗

Just move to mastodon

214298 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #1071 of 2222 🔗

Shocking! KBF can give updates on behalf of Simon, however they only have 22.9k followers whilst Simon has 77k. Hopefully other influencers will tweet about this: Toby, Laurence Fox, etc

Everyone on Twitter please re-tweet above tweet

214120 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #1072 of 2222 🔗

This should give you pause re Covid vaccine

On the day the Brazilian doctor died the World Health Organisation (WHO) issued a statement in a foreward to its draft landscape on COVID-19 vaccines. It includes this disclaimer not ostensibly connected with the doctor’s death.

WHO […] disclaims any and all liability or responsibility whatsoever for any death, disability, injury, suffering, loss, damage or other prejudice of any kind that may arise from or in connection with the procurement, distribution or use of any product included in any of these landscape documents.

214149 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #1073 of 2222 🔗

what did he die from?

214152 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Rosie, 2, #1074 of 2222 🔗

This is what was said :

On 19th October 2020 a doctor died in Brazil. He was 28 years old and died of Covid-19-related complications after taking part in vaccine trials. The BBC stated, according to hearsay, “the doctor had worked with infected patients,” but this was not confirmed by the Brazilian Health Authority, Anvisa.

214155 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #1075 of 2222 🔗

They also reported that he had received the placebo option, not the vaccine.

214163 ▶▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #1076 of 2222 🔗

Indeed – 28 year olds succumb all the time right?

214166 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to leggy, #1077 of 2222 🔗

28 year olds do indeed die.

214201 ▶▶▶▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #1078 of 2222 🔗

Odd thing though the trial protocol doesn’t mention a placebo group.
An oversight I’m sure

214251 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to 6097 Smith W, 1, #1079 of 2222 🔗

The placebo is the licensed meningitis vaccine (Men ACWY). Definitely mentioned all over the shop. The AZ protocol is here https://s3.amazonaws.com/ctr-med-7111/D8110C00001/52bec400-80f6-4c1b-8791-0483923d0867/c8070a4e-6a9d-46f9-8c32-cece903592b9/D8110C00001_CSP-v2.pdf

214273 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #1080 of 2222 🔗

Using other vaccines as a placebo is normally done to make it look as if the vaccine that is tested has few side effects because the so called placebo group also experience side effects.

A placebo should be inert/inactive to get the true picture of side effects

214289 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Victoria, #1081 of 2222 🔗

In this instance would death not be the particular side-effect of concern?

214123 calchas, replying to calchas, 13, #1082 of 2222 🔗

THe last few months have seen an astonishing spread of counter-narrative information on this issue, of which this site is a distinguished part.

I actually think we are winning the argument. The percentage of people who are covid-sceptics grows each single day.

Combine this with new lockdowns and the retention of existing measures, and I would say that within six months, if nothing substantial changes, that we are looking at a crisis of legitimacy for our institutions.

Whether one subscribes to cockup or to conpiracy or to some combination thereof,I would suggest that by April at the lastest either the authorities will have produced some new deveopment of the crisis in order to justify their actions, or that other dramatic events draw attention away from covid.

214137 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to calchas, 15, #1083 of 2222 🔗

look at the comments sections of The Telegraph, Mail and Sun for eg any Government idiot can see that public opinion is now bordering non-compliance . However if you go to the Guardian it is all lock down forever !

214146 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to nickbowes, 7, #1084 of 2222 🔗

Bordering? I’ve been non-compliant since May!!

214165 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to nickbowes, 3, #1085 of 2222 🔗

Just hope you are right.

214183 ▶▶▶ john, replying to nickbowes, 11, #1086 of 2222 🔗

I’m an ex – guardian guy – but the views there are representative of a minority elite more than anything – and people working in the public sector who are now working from a pleasant home with no reduction of income are unlikely to be the most sceptical. I do think that the Mail in particular has the most representative comments – it seemed to on the brexit issues anyway, with a small majority in favour – my non scientific estimates puts the comments section at around 80% sceptical/ 20% branch covidians – which i think represents the true mood of the country now.

214213 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to john, 5, #1087 of 2222 🔗

Do stop all this divisive, brainless public v.private sector hobby-horse shit. It plays straight into the hands of government-spawned divisiveness.

The Guardian is simply a paper that sold its soul about a dozen years ago, when the Scott Trust became a limited company and it became a conduit for establishment propaganda – after the Snowden affair, when it broke its tradition and signed up to the D-Notice committee.

214154 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to calchas, 6, #1088 of 2222 🔗

I avoid it a lot these days, but then I checked on our local news page on Facebook this morning, there are a lot more sceptical comments. More than half for sure. People are getting really fed up now and had enough of not seeing their family or friends, losing their jobs etc.

214174 ▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to Janice21, 5, #1089 of 2222 🔗

Jeez I just wish people would realize that they can’t control us en masse. It’s this “I better follow the rules like everyone else” mentality that has allowed this garbage to escalate once again.

214173 ▶▶ RickH, replying to calchas, 6, #1090 of 2222 🔗

if nothing substantial changes … we are looking at a crisis of legitimacy for our institutions.”

It’s already here.

214292 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to RickH, 1, #1091 of 2222 🔗

Exactly. It’s pure Gramsci and the Long March through the Institutions aka Cultural Marxism, where Marxism wins by gaining control, not over production, but over the transmission of our culture.

214128 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #1092 of 2222 🔗

And talking of Twitter…

https://twitter.com/RoryJCullen/status/1321807464115904514

Regarding Twitter’s ability to influence.

214190 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #1093 of 2222 🔗

It’s time something was done to curb Twitter and Facebooks bias. We either have freedom of speech or we don’t.

214134 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 15, #1094 of 2222 🔗

Muzzles fro six year olds in French schools https://www.france24.com/en/france/20201029-france-braces-for-new-covid-19-lockdown-rules-to-be-detailed-by-pm-castex
“Under the new measures, French schools will require all students aged six and over to wear face masks in class, Castex said Thursday ahead of a new Covid-19 lockdown starting at midnight.
Until now masks were mandatory only for students 11 and older, but Castex told lawmakers in parliament that new efforts were needed “to protect all our children, teachers and parents.”
What is the mentality of anyone who thinks that this is a reasonable course of action ? And yet approved by 399-27. Six year olds? Children don’t suffer from Covid.

214142 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to arfurmo, 12, #1095 of 2222 🔗

When the initial insanity doesn’t work…double down on the insanity.

214145 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 4, #1096 of 2222 🔗

Insanity aka psychopathy. MW

214191 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 3, #1097 of 2222 🔗

Agree. The more tyranny they get away with the more they will impose. Absolute psychopaths.

They are testing peoples line in the sand – sadly most people would crawl around on their knees if told to do so by a person in authority.

214144 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to arfurmo, 6, #1098 of 2222 🔗

Crimes against humanity.
People in France, Scotland and elsewhere should send this video to head teachers. They can’t hide behind ‘just following orders’
Dr. Reiner Fuellmich’s – Crimes Against HumanityFor 26 years, Dr Reiner Fuellmich has been a lawyer in Germany and California. He’s one of four members of the German Corona Investigative Committee. On October 3rd, 2020, he describes how there is no legal doubt about the possibility of a class-action lawsuit against those responsible for the lockdowns.
Video & transcript https://theanp.co.uk/page-1075459

214167 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to arfurmo, #1099 of 2222 🔗

Again with the number 6

214169 ▶▶ RickH, replying to arfurmo, 7, #1100 of 2222 🔗

Child abuse – pure and simple.

214207 ▶▶ Julian, replying to arfurmo, 1, #1101 of 2222 🔗

I have often wondered why children here are exempt under a certain age. I doubt there’s much science to it – it’s probably more politics

214237 ▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Julian, #1102 of 2222 🔗

Its the politics for now, but I have no doubt that we will fall into line with the rest of the EU eventually. The” masksforall” mob/organisation is determined on this (money to be made and lots of it)

214310 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to arfurmo, 1, #1103 of 2222 🔗

So against WHO now. Not with WHO. Keep up. Keep up.

214136 Tarby O'Hara, replying to Tarby O'Hara, 8, #1104 of 2222 🔗

Can I direct people to the alleged Telegraph Poll in today’s issue. It is supposed to give an opportunity to comment on the govt lockdown decisions and actions. Rubbing my hands with glee, I dived in. What I found was clearly an instrument that had been compiled by someone with close govt ties, as the poll directs your answers to ostensibly say that the govt actions are making the right decisions. Frankly, I was disgusted. I posted a comment on another thread at the Telegraph telling people to carefully read it before filling it in.

214200 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Tarby O'Hara, 4, #1105 of 2222 🔗

Most polls are like that which is why we need to commission our own, professionally designed and delivered

Recovery are planning to do polling

214397 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Tarby O'Hara, 2, #1106 of 2222 🔗

I used the comments boxes to make my views known.

214147 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 27, #1107 of 2222 🔗

The following has just been posted on a BBC News webpage

“Nearly 100,000 people are catching coronavirus every day in England, a major analysis suggests.

The study, by Imperial College London, says the pace of the epidemic is accelerating and estimates the number of people infected is now doubling every nine days.”

I’m going to do a Whitty and Valance on this

Today:- 100,000

7th Nov. 200,000 >>>>running total>>>> 300,000

16th Nov. 400,000>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 700,000

25th Nov. 800,000>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1,500,000

4th Dec. 1,600,000>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3,100,000

13th Dec. 3,200,000 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>6,300,000

22nd Dec. 6,400,000>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 12,700,000

31st Dec 12,800,000>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 25,500,000

9th Jan 25,300,000. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>50,800,000

So all over by the New Year perhaps? We’ll either be dead or immune.

214161 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Ned of the Hills, 2, #1108 of 2222 🔗

Probably both.

214193 ▶▶▶ bucky99, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #1109 of 2222 🔗

3 or 4 times over…

214180 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to Ned of the Hills, 8, #1110 of 2222 🔗

The same ‘study’ was used by Micron to support French lockdown.
Imperial group is totally bankrolled by Gates.

214203 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to peyrole, 3, #1111 of 2222 🔗

AS someone pointed out yesterday – have a look at the Euromomo graphs (far from perfect – but much used) and scratch your head at what is being proposed – actually across Europe.

You might get the dangerous idea that governments are now effectively dispensing with the need for even fake evidence in order to institute their police states.

214257 ▶▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to RickH, 3, #1112 of 2222 🔗

I think it was me. EuroMomo has consistently been a good place to see if there is/was ever a real epidemic. I am not that keen on their Z charts for individual countries. But the overall all causes excess deaths ( all ages) is a graph that just can’t be fiddled with. And it tells the real story, never at any time was this an epidemic and it is now not even an excess death situation.
Its completely ‘man made’ crisis. Or perhaps that should be computer generated crisis, just like another one I could mention.

214320 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Ned of the Hills, #1113 of 2222 🔗

If 100,000 are catching it now how many were catching it in March? When Vallance showed the models at the recent dog and pony show, this was my first thought. Is the penny going to drop that maybe a hell of a lot more people came in contact with this virus in the last 6 months?

214160 calchas, replying to calchas, 1, #1114 of 2222 🔗

‘Contagion’ was a 2011 movie lead produced by Michael Shamberg. Shamberg, born in 1945 seems to have been involved in the 60s counter-culture, before later becoming a correspondent for Time-LIfe.

“In the 1960s and 1970s, counter-culture video collectives extended the role of the underground press to new communication technologies. In 1970, Shamberg co-founded a video collective called Raindance Corporation , which published a newspaper-magazine called Radical Software . Raindance Corporation later became TVTV , or Top Value Television. Shamberg and his first wife Megan Williams were founding members of TVTV. [2] The collective believed new technology could effect social change. An example was Shamberg’s work on In Hiding: A Conversation with Abbie Hoffman , broadcast on Public-access television station WNET/13 in May 1975. [2]”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Shamberg

“The collective believed new technology could effect social change”

214280 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to calchas, 2, #1115 of 2222 🔗

Good spot. That film is what popularised the whole lockdown, social distancing terminology. The American Institute for Economic Research include this issue in one of their early reports, with specific mention of the film. The writer was Jeffrey Tucker if you want to track this further.
Once again, this is an old tried-and-tested technique that’s been used for ‘climate change’ . Psychological manipulation that’s so ruthless it amounts to coercion.
‘Raindance’ rings a bell, I’ve a feeling they are one of the lying groups that destroy wildlife while claiming to be environmentalists, but don’t quote me on that.

214182 CGL, replying to CGL, 14, #1116 of 2222 🔗

Mr CGL is in the middle of reading Bill Bryson’s book ‘The Body – a Guide for Occupants’.
He came across the following section in the chapter called ‘The Immune System’, the day after the media anti-bodies fearmongering this week:-

“T-cells subdivide into two further categories: helper T-cells and killer T-cells. Killer T-cells, as the name suggests, kill cells that have been invaded by pathogens. Helper T-cells help other immune cells act, including helping B-cells produce antibodies. Memory T-cells remember the details of earlier invaders, and are therefore able to coordinate a swift response if the same pathogen shows up again – what is known as adaptive immunity.

Memory T-cells are extraordinarily vigilant. I don’t get mumps because somewhere inside me are memory T-cells that have been protecting me from a second attack for more than sixty years. When they identify an invader, they instruct B-cells to produce proteins known as antibodies, and these attack the invading organisms. Anti-bodies are clever things because they recognize and fight off previous invaders quickly if they dare to come back. That’s why so many diseases only make you sick once. It is also the process at the heart of vaccination. Vaccination is really a way of inducing the body to produce useful antibodies against a particular scourge without having to be unwell in the first place.”

(I will forgive his ‘z’ in recognize, as he is a very nice chap)

Anyone else think perhaps he ought to do a talk for the SAGE committee, so they can learn something about the subject?

214204 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to CGL, 12, #1117 of 2222 🔗

Fauci was on the BBC’s Andrew Marr Show on Sunday and he asserted that the only way a person could be immune was by vaccine. Marr’s response was reminiscent of those dogs that used to grace the back shelves of so many cars.

214322 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #1118 of 2222 🔗

Who the fuck cares about being immune to a virus with a near zero death rate?

214218 ▶▶ Gerry Mandarin, replying to CGL, 3, #1119 of 2222 🔗

Vaccines don’t generally give life long immunity. Need boosters.

214546 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Gerry Mandarin, #1120 of 2222 🔗

Yes – it was more in relation to them not seeming to know that T-cells exist, just antibodies.

214290 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to CGL, 3, #1121 of 2222 🔗

(Nothing wrong with the Oxford z. The s was Victorian pretentiousness, copying French to make the language seem more sophisticated. The OED still uses z and so do I: it’s a nicer letter and it’s endangered. And worth ten points.)
Plus: Bill Bryson is brilliant. And it’s scandalous that SAGE and the government and media continue to peddle this rubbish about antibodies “dying off”. It’s not how the immune system works.

214548 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #1122 of 2222 🔗

Well I didn’t know about the Oxford z – you learn something
new every day!
I think we have nearly all of his excellent books – a very interesting and funny bloke.

214581 ▶▶▶▶ dickyboy, replying to CGL, 1, #1123 of 2222 🔗

I think he covers this in his book “Mother Tongue”. It’s years since I read it but I recall he describes the period when America was deciding on its primary language – they came very close to settling on German. So we wouldn’t be complaining about US English, but then English would be very much a marginalised language and German the world’s lingua franca.

215001 ▶▶▶▶▶ Watt, replying to dickyboy, #1124 of 2222 🔗

That’s correct. A vote which was cast came within a couple of votes for German.

215158 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Watt, #1125 of 2222 🔗

Mneh, sorry, but that’s an urban myth. It’s called the Muhlenberg Legend .

214396 ▶▶ JudgeMental, replying to CGL, 1, #1126 of 2222 🔗

This appears to be lost knowledge nowadays.

214187 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 8, #1127 of 2222 🔗

Concerns are growing for the effectiveness of Covid safety measures in ski resorts as crowds flocked to the slopes in Cervinia, just a day before the Government forces it to close.

The Italian ski resort of Cervinia reopened on Saturday, before being swiftly shut down again after images of overcrowding went viral and the Italian Government imposed strict new rules.
The resort, which has been operating throughout the summer for skiing and snowboarding on its high-altitude glacier, was one of the first in Europe to kick off the winter ski season at the weekend.

Cervinia, along with all other Italian resorts, was forced to announce it would be closing until further notice following an Emergency Decree from the Government.
________________________

Air doesn’t get much fresher than in the mountains!! The effort and expense these resorts will have made to open only to be shut down until 24th November at the earliest. They were clearly about to have fun, quick shut it down. Interesting that it is the scourge of social media that caused it. Had the pictures not gone viral, no-one would have noticed.

214285 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Sarigan, 3, #1128 of 2222 🔗

“Concerns are growing” – mediaspeak for “we are stoking concerns”

214192 RickH, replying to RickH, 1, #1129 of 2222 🔗

Now – here’s some questions for the alert and well-informed :

What has Starmer’s suspension of Jeremy Corbyn got to do with the wider shit-show that hides behind Covid.? What are the dots, and how do you join them up?

No prizes except the satisfaction of knowing which way is up.

214212 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to RickH, 3, #1130 of 2222 🔗

Only a guess….but perhaps something to do with Piers’ brave stand against Lockdown? Piers being Jeremy’s older brother.

214235 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Rosie, 1, #1131 of 2222 🔗

No … it’s not primarily that. It’s even more insidious – and not about individuals per se.

214236 ▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 4, #1132 of 2222 🔗

It’s got nothing to do with it, it’s more than adequately explained by the Blairite versus Corbynite civil war within the left and the Labour Party. The Blairites now have control of both main parties, and they want to keep it that way.

Both Starmer and Jeremy Corbyn were full on coronapanic zealots.

214243 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Mark, 2, #1133 of 2222 🔗

I suppose you could claim that the control of both main parties by the social leftist Blairites is a major part of the rottenness of our political class as a whole, but there’s absolutely no reason to suppose a Corbyn government wouldn’t have been at least as fanatically pro-lockdown as the “Conservatives”, and most likely even more enthusiastically so..

214253 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mark, -1, #1134 of 2222 🔗

‘social leftist Blairites’.

You do keep trying to stuff your political underwear into a virtual bag that’s far too small. 🙂

Still nul points.

214276 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, #1135 of 2222 🔗

Still trying to pretend that a government and party that openly worships state socialist healthcare, and is perfectly happy whatever it pretends with ongoing mass immigration, political correctness, “hate speech” repression, anti-white “positive” discrimination, unlimited government spending and senior police and other figures “taking the knee” to leftist radical thugs, isn’t about as social leftist and Blairite as they come?

You seem to be about 30 years behind political reality. Perhaps the trauma of the Thatcher years permanently damaged your ability to see reason on left/right politics.

214654 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mark, -1, #1136 of 2222 🔗

Oh dear, Mark. I guess simplicities save the pain of rational thought, but here’s the thing :

The halfway point of the ‘Overton Window’ isn’t marked by Trump’s bum crack, any more than Mr Toad and friends (and their police state) is other than a natural creature of the Thatcherite/Hayekian right.

The endorsement of all this by Blair and Starmer is a natural corollary.

215101 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, #1137 of 2222 🔗

You do understand that the Overton Window is something that shifts around according to the dominant ideologies?

I get the impression that your political awareness ossified around the mere details covered by the Thatcherite defeat of state socialist control of industry, perhaps out of traumatic grief, and you’ve just failed to notice all the other changes that have been occurring over the past 30 years.

214246 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mark, -1, #1138 of 2222 🔗

I don’t think you’ve even got to the page with the dots on, Mark.

Nul points.

214195 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 40, #1139 of 2222 🔗

Top of the news today in Northern Ireland is the death of a 17 year old lad with CV-19. His father was on the midday TV news and my heart is breaking for the man thinking of how much joy my own son brings to my life. I live in the town and there has been a lot of chat about this.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-foyle-west-54731262

These are the facts now:
> suffered from Cushing Syndrome
> died of heart failure while awaiting surgery in the coming weeks. The family only found out about his CV-19 diagnosis after the initial cause of death was communicated to them.
> positive test for SARS-CoV-2 a few weeks ago, then tested negative a week ago. No symptoms.

Died within 28 days of his + despite his subsequent – and is now the only person in Northern Ireland under 40 to die as a CV-19 death.

This is everything that is wrong with our data. Indefensible.

214210 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 13, #1140 of 2222 🔗

Absolutely heartbreaking. I am glad the father spoke out. Unfortunate that this poor soul will still be counted as a C19 stat.

214268 ▶▶ annie, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #1141 of 2222 🔗

Wicked. Absolutely wicked.
Murder.

214209 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 9, #1142 of 2222 🔗

More utter nonsense and negligence from the “open
for business” NHS.

I have a repeat prescription, been on the same drug for 10 years now. Every 6 months I have a telephone review. This year… nothing. I notice from my prescription receipt that it has automatically been renewed for the next 6 months with no request to speak to me. So they are happy to let me go a whole year without even speaking to a doctor – presumably even telephone consultations are now deemed to be too risky and time consuming in these unprecedented times.

They also appear to have implemented a ridiculous new policy of not authorising the repeat unless you request it within an appropriate window of time. They didn’t bother telling me this of course, I’ve had to work it out for myself. I always order a week in advance to ensure I don’t run out. They usually encourage people not to leave it until the last minute. Twice now on visiting the pharmacy the prescription hasn’t been ready. Somehow I’m supposed to know or guess the correct day on which to order it. If I don’t, no pills and no phone call to explain why. Thank you NHS.

214370 ▶▶ FenTyger, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1143 of 2222 🔗

Exactly what happened with my script, review date jumped from June 2020 to June 2021.
Suspect they thought a blood test would be unsafe.

214403 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to FenTyger, #1144 of 2222 🔗

I switched to pharmacy2u to avoid the horrors of both the surgery and the pharmacy a few months back. Works a treat.

214744 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to FenTyger, #1145 of 2222 🔗

I don’t even need a blood test. Just a chat would do. And they can’t even be bothered to do that.

214211 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 9, #1146 of 2222 🔗

One reason I come on this site it to marshall my thoughts and then see if I feel brave enough to make a few comments on twitter. From twitter feedback I do feel that the whole atmosphere around covid has got more devisive and more febrile and whilst to be fair i do get some positive feedbavck from twitter when i get negative feedback it can be quite vitriolic.
I have recently put out on Twitter that I think it is quite possile and acheivable to have an effective voluntary sheilding scheme for any elderly and vulnerable who would like such protection, I would not want such protection for myself but i feel it should be available to the many who would be keen. I feel this could be delivered on a local community basis and would need the Government to give guidelines, strategy, support and resources to enable it to deliver effectively. We certainly do nor want any sheilding scheme to be centralised and based on laws, rules and dictats.
In my view this is the sort of approach we need in order to live with this virus which is clearly with us for a while and not going away anytime soon, lockdown or no lockdown. Obviously in a tweet i had to abbreviate my arguments but while some liked the thought some were quite the opposite.
Just wondered what others here thought about this subject of protecting the eldely and vulnerable, on a voluntary basis of course.

214222 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #1147 of 2222 🔗

Yep it is called proper targeting of resources, so far too sensible for Doris and his gang.

214225 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Steve Martindale, 9, #1148 of 2222 🔗

There is no chance of getting a real debate with such people unless they accept :

1. This is not the plague
2. Its not killing more people than 15+ other causes right now
3. Long Covid is not an argument for lockdown
4. Immunity exists without a vax

So that’s why it’s devisive. Lockdown zealots and the government do not agree with any of those 4 points. It’s not a level debate when it comes to solutions.

214230 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #1149 of 2222 🔗

Most of the ‘elderly’ and ‘vulnerable’ don’t need ‘protecting ‘, any more than they have through all the worse outbreaks of infection that have happened. We can continue to make our own risk assessment and protect ourselves as and when.

What those of us want who haven’t gone ga-ga, through watching or listening to mainstream news, is the abandonment of police-state repression and the freeing-up of the the population to also grow up and behave as normal.

Leave the rest to judgment about a no-so-very worrying virus of no ‘high consequence’.

214245 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to RickH, 4, #1150 of 2222 🔗

Exactly. Let people make their own risk assessments, whilst allowing them to access non sensationalised information

214283 ▶▶▶ Gavroche, replying to RickH, 4, #1151 of 2222 🔗

I take your point absolutely, Rick H. However, I don’t think Steve’s suggestion of a voluntary shielding scheme undermines that point. On the contrary, it offers an answer to the slander that lockdown sceptics just want to ‘let the virus rip’ or are prepared to ‘kill their grannies’ and it does so without forcing anybody to do anything they don’t want to do. It would allow older people to make their own risk assessments and give those who did choose to shield themselves the help and resources to do so, e.g. help with shopping or grocery deliveries plus other forms of social and/or health support.

I would be in favour of promoting such a voluntary scheme alongside other practical measures, such as:
1) Setting up proper isolation wards or even fever hospitals for Covid sufferers
2) Diverting resources away from the pointless T&T scheme to increasing the number of ICU and other beds to enable the NHS to deal with any seasonal rise in respiratory diseases.
3) Investing as much, if not more money into treatments as is currently being spaffed away on some magical vaccine.
Those are just off the top of my head but Steve’s suggestion seems to me precisely the sort of practical alternative we should be promoting to the currently dominant lockdown + wait for magical solution (vaccine and/or constant tracking). Alternative or additional suggestions warmly welcomed…

214631 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Gavroche, #1152 of 2222 🔗

I guess, Gavroche, my point is that the current situation warrants no exceptional measures beyond those that we’ve always employed.

214519 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to RickH, #1153 of 2222 🔗

Yes – most may not need protection but the first question should always be – do they WANT protection

214240 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #1154 of 2222 🔗

Skin cancer can be a killer, but can also be treated if spotted early enough. Obviously, over exposure to the sunlight, which is also good for you in other ways, is the culprit here.
So do we enforce the wearing of head to toe coverings and being outside between 10-3? Do we ban any kind of activity which involves exposed flesh? Or do we choose how we want to live and take a few precautions, as and when we think it’s sensible?

214271 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #1155 of 2222 🔗

I’d love to know if over-exposure to sunshine is the real reason – or if in fact the real reason is over exposure to sunscreen.
Just from knowing many old people when I was young who were out in the sun all day, never wore sunscreen, I’d never heard of skin cancer.
While today people who look as if they never go out get it.

214272 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #1156 of 2222 🔗

The more important thing is to try to get zealots to think for themselves, which your tweets are doing, so well done and keep going!

214277 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #1157 of 2222 🔗

I’m completely in favour of ensuring that anyone who wishes to shield due to increased vulnerability is supported with food and medicine delivery etc. No skin off my nose and I’m happy to help with the delivering.

214216 PD, replying to PD, 2, #1158 of 2222 🔗

I can’t find a link to RECOVERY.
Have they launched a website yet?

214221 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to PD, 3, #1159 of 2222 🔗

timeforrecovery.org

214242 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #1160 of 2222 🔗

They’re taking GoFundMe donations. Just put in a fiver. Total donations less than £3000, so they need more donations.

214267 ▶▶▶▶ Jenny, replying to ConstantBees, 1, #1161 of 2222 🔗

Thanks for the link. Donated.

214743 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to ConstantBees, #1162 of 2222 🔗

I’ve donated too.

214244 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #1163 of 2222 🔗

As mentioned, follow on Twitter. They have had LOTS of eminent people at launch day. It’s very good!

214297 ▶▶▶ Tarby O'Hara, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1164 of 2222 🔗

Thanks, joined and donated

214223 Mark, replying to Mark, 3, #1165 of 2222 🔗

Toby’s latest piece in the Spectator (paywall):

There’s nothing neutral about Wikipedia

A couple of weeks ago Newsweek ran an article attacking Elon Musk, the CEO of Tesla, for engaging in a friendly Twitter exchange with me about the coronavirus pandemic. According to the article, I was a ‘eugenics advocate’. How could the apparently respectable industrial designer sully himself in this way? Didn’t he realise I was Britain’s answer to Dr Mengele?

The claim that I’m a ‘eugenics advocate’ isn’t true, obviously. It’s based on a deliberate misreading of an article…

Of course, smearing people with opinions they dislike by associating them with demonised opinions, from “racism” to”homophobia”, is the stock in trade of the modern (late C20th/early C21st) left. But it’s worth bearing in mind that willfully stupid or dishonest allegations of “eugenics” were also applied to a rational herd immunity response to this covid pandemic by coronapanic zealot Jeremy Corbyn. And not just in March, when he helped to howl down the idea of a Swedish-style response in the UK, but as late as August, when there really was no excuse not to have a better grasp of reality.

Jeremy Corbyn: Ministers had herd immunity strategy for coronavirus

Back to Toby’s piece:

I was initially puzzled by this, because Wikipedia’s ‘verifiability’ policy requires that all content on the site be based on ‘reliable, independent, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy’. But as the two academics point out, of the 36 sources which have been ‘deprecated’, which means contributors aren’t allowed to use them, only one is left-of-centre, while 16 are right-of-centre, including the Mail. Wikipedia’s administrators make no secret of their left-wing leanings. In a personal essay on the site, one announced that ‘believing that Trump is a good president indicates that you are probably not competent to edit Wikipedia’ and later said about Black Lives Matter: ‘You can be one of three things: ally, enemy, or collaborator. Be an ally.’ In expressing that view, he is aligned with the Wikimedia Foundation, the non-profit organisation that runs Wikipedia. It published a statement in June endorsing the goals of BLM: ‘On these issues, there is no neutral stance. To stay silent is to endorse the violence of history and power; yesterday, today, and tomorrow. It is well past time for racial justice in America and beyond.’
The academics have analysed disputes between Wikipedia contributors in several politically charged areas and found that in every case the administrators have more often ruled in favour of left-wing editors than right-wing ones. In the case of disagreements between pro- and anti-Trump contributors the powers that be found in favour of the latter by a ratio of six to one. So much for the encyclopaedia’s ‘neutral point of view ’.”

As Toby often puts it: well worth a read.

And as a reminder that the gross leftist bias on Wikipedia also directly impacts coronapanic propaganda, consider this, from back in March:

Wikipedia Slashes Spanish Flu Death Rate

If you don’t think that the big tech’s politically and culturally partisan censorship and propagandising of information and opinion is a problem, even if you yourself are of the left, then you aren’t properly understanding how either knowledge or democracy work. Cancel culture and “hate speech” repression are merely the most obvious, ugliest facets of this intolerant political bigotry, the parts of the iceberg visible above the surface.

214261 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Mark, 3, #1167 of 2222 🔗

Exactly the same type of data re-writing goes on with ‘global warming’ . There are people who track it on that topic. The rate of information loss is terrifying, and it’s the same with history books and the like being politically corrected/made in line with Woke.
Download, save and file, and track it.

214461 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Rosie, #1168 of 2222 🔗

Another prediction from 1984.
Into the memory hole.
Who controls the past controls the future.Who controls the present controls the past

214250 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Mark, 3, #1169 of 2222 🔗

great post.

wikipedia is not reliable.

214329 ▶▶ davews, replying to Mark, 2, #1170 of 2222 🔗

I do the occasional edit on Wikipedia but am very aware that if you don’t toe the line you soon get put in your place. It has been long known that they are very pro climate change and anything controversial gets edited out. Some years ago I attended one of their local lunchtime meetings over a pub lunch. Very much a clique and I really felt I was an intruder – at the time I edited some religious articles, they seemed somewhat shocked ‘nobody believes that stuff’ as if religion shouldn’t even be mentioned in an encyclopedia! I did once donate in their annual appeal but firmly refuse now.

214480 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Mark, #1171 of 2222 🔗

It’s a trusted source of information, much like the BBC.

I see what you did there, Toby. 😉

214234 NickR, replying to NickR, 3, #1172 of 2222 🔗

A few weeks ago the NHS changed the way it defined people being diagnosed as a ‘covid’ patient in a hospital. Before it was pretty clear, there were

  • ‘Admitted’ patients, those admitted with a pre-existing test
  • ‘Diagnosed’ those diagnosed when already a patient in a hospital

Since March about 84% of all hospitalisations were of people who were already in hospital when diagnosed. Below is the new nomenclature & attached is a graph of the data. Does anyone have a clue what it all means? I understand number 5.

1. Total reported admissions to hospital and diagnoses in hospital
Shows the number of patients admitted in previous 24 hours where patient known to have COVID-19 plus patients diagnosed in hospital with COVID-19 in previous 24 hours.
2. Estimated new hospital cases
Shows the number of patients admitted in previous 24 hours for the first time with COVID-19 plus the number of patients diagnosed in hospital in previous 24 hours.
3. Estimated new admissions to hospital from the community
Shows the number of patients admitted in previous 24 hours for the first time with COVID-19 plus the number of patients diagnosed in hospital in previous 24 hours where the test was within 7 days of admission.
4. Estimated new hospital admissions from the community with 3-7 day lagging
Shows the number of patients admitted in previous 24 hours for the first time with COVID-19 plus the number of patients diagnosed in hospital in previous 24 hours where the test was within 48 hours of admission plus the number of patients diagnosed in hospital in previous 24 hours where the test was 3-7 days after admission (lagged by 5 days)
Note that the last 5 days of this time series may be an underestimate as they do not include diagnosed patients where the test was taken within 3-7 days of admission as that data element is not yet available. These figures will be revised as the data becomes available.
5. Total reported hospital admissions and diagnoses from a care home
Shows the number of patients admitted in the previous 24 hours with COVID-19 or diagnosed with COVID-19 in the previous 24 hours where admitted from Care Homes

214269 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to NickR, 3, #1173 of 2222 🔗

Deliberately obtuse, and they change data series at random intervals so it is almost impossible to create a consistent trend.
Of course its also useless without a record of discharged patients at the same time. Its significant this is not reported.

214311 ▶▶ RickH, replying to NickR, 2, #1174 of 2222 🔗

Of course, the whole pantomime is undermined by the distortion of the term ‘diagnosed’ which simply means PCR +, not illness.

214471 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to NickR, 1, #1175 of 2222 🔗

Carl Heneghan and his team are looking into this, Nick.

I’ve also got a post somewhere lower down that points to a previous post of mine (made on October 14) and to an article that Toby’s NHS senior doctor made on October 15 (after seeing my post) that explains the ‘fiddle’.

214247 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #1176 of 2222 🔗

From UK Column, the demise of the RF who have morphed. Wonder if ‘Proper Charlie’ meant this when he joined and promoted the Great Reset

Whilst the attention of the British public has, since 2016, been distracted by both Brexit and COVID-19 scaremongering, the British establishment, including the Royal family, has transformed the Commonwealth into both a propaganda division of world government and a training ground for leaders of the post-democratic era.

Not one of the inhabitants of its 52 member nations can cast a vote to elect the Commonwealth’s senior officers, nor to approve its future plans and programs.

The governance of Commonwealth member nations “according to their respective laws and customs” has been sacrificed on the globalist altar of ‘sustainable development’.

214325 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #1177 of 2222 🔗

A Surrendered Crown and a Commonwealth Betrayed

https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/surrendered-crown-and-commonwealth-betrayed

A good article

214513 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Dan Clarke, #1178 of 2222 🔗

Interesting seeing as according to Michael O’Bernicia, the EU withdrawal act section 38 essentially deposed the monarch, so how are the Royals able to have any influence? Or did they wish it to be so, in order to carry out this plan?

214248 vargas99, replying to vargas99, 19, #1179 of 2222 🔗

Just back from a weekly shop with Mrs vargas who is reluctant to commit fully to going out sans muzzle. Tesco – no issue from anyone on me not being masked. Noticed a couple of others without masks, many more wearing them half heartedly and plenty of kids about without them as well. Same in M&S. Then to the independent butcher – no problems here either. On to the garden centre where most were masked but again a couple of people without and quite a lot with them under their noses. It does kind of feel that the tide is slowly turning and I believe that the majority of people are just wearing them to conform. The more of us that are out there without a mask on the more will pluck up the courage to follow. Mrs v has said she will go out with her exemption lanyard on next time. Hurrah!

214275 ▶▶ annie, replying to vargas99, 10, #1180 of 2222 🔗

Wearing a mask saves you from a fine, or that’s what most people believe.
It doesn’t save anybody from anything else.

If you’re a self-righteous selfish zombie swine, it also confers the right to abuse and persecute anybody not as nappied as you are,

214252 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 4, #1181 of 2222 🔗

I remember learning in primary school that the Inuit in Alaska have fridges to keep their food from freezing and don’t tend to get colds because it is too cold. (It’s funny some of the things you can remember from your childhood).

So I was interested to see what the death toll for this virus is in Alaska. To date in a population of around 730k, 14,097 cases and 71 deaths.

Just thought I’d post this more out of interest than anything.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/alaska/

214293 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Nobody2020, 2, #1182 of 2222 🔗

Did they have a voluntary lockdown too?

Small nations are very interesting. Faroe Islands test more people more often than anywhere else in the world. And that has not stopped rising cases. Moonshot should pay particular attention to them

214302 ▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1183 of 2222 🔗

They’re probably not that densely populated, it’s quite a large land mass.

I was only prompted to look when I saw a news report today about worries at ski resorts due to lack of distancing and it triggered some thoughts on how cold temperatures might affect this virus.

214254 alw, replying to alw, 3, #1184 of 2222 🔗
214265 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to alw, #1185 of 2222 🔗

The title strikes me as ironic.

214287 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to alw, 3, #1186 of 2222 🔗

I have huge problems with her even engaging Sumptions position. Because she wants to talk about his claim of a slide towards authoritarianism but they are so far apart it’s like trying to argue with ISIS that their dislike of American pop music is misplaced. It’s utterly irrelevant if she starts on this premise:

“It’s certainly reasonable to criticise the way in which both the Coronavirus Act and the subsequent slew of regulations were introduced without adequate parliamentary scrutiny. Nevertheless, it remains the case that parliament passed the laws which gave ministers the power to make these regulations.

“One can condemn this lack of adequate scrutiny as unsatisfactory or even highly undesirable. But it was the product of panic and chaos; at worst, the fear that MPs might delay or derail measures deemed vital to tackle the crisis immediately.”

So she believes, even with hindsight, that the situation then was enough to justify the response. That this is the plague, that Long Covid will impact everyone who gets a + PCR test and that bodies in the street would have happened without lockdown.

214434 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1187 of 2222 🔗

But it was the product of panic and chaos; at worst, the fear that MPs might delay or derail measures deemed vital to tackle the crisis immediately .””

Granted I haven’t seen the rest of the article for context, but it she really so blinkered or dishonest that she doesn’t see that what she describes as “MPs delaying or derailing measures” is precisely what parliamentary scrutiny and oversight means?

I mean I’ve always known that Philips is obnoxiously authoritarian, which is why I’ve never really warmed to her despite agreeing on some issues, but I generally respected her basic intellect. I would have hoped she could do better than that, at least…

214299 ▶▶ RickH, replying to alw, 3, #1188 of 2222 🔗

Phillips never grasped the plot! She’s always been one of the cap and bells crew 🙂

214344 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to alw, #1189 of 2222 🔗

I read it and went away thinking what exactly was the point of the article.

214455 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to alw, #1190 of 2222 🔗

Has missed the point. Perhaps because it’s Sumption. He’s anti-Brexit and seen as left-wing. Not her type really.

214499 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Nick Rose, #1191 of 2222 🔗

Funny he wouldnt be my type normally then either – just goes to show again that politics has nothing to do with how you value liberty and humanity

214256 Rosie, replying to Rosie, 3, #1192 of 2222 🔗

Reply to Nick Rose
I’ll be conducting a thorough dig into the WEF and the “Great Reset” in the near future, though I have another project to finish off first.
Good to hear. I’ve been trying to find time to do that and have been gathering some material as well. I’m happy to email it all over to you/discuss. I want to condense it down to a leaflet.
If you want to get in touch please do so via my website. I posted some comments on LS yesterday and should have copied them.
Shall we work together on this?
Here’s my site https://www.beautyandthebeastlytruth.com/contact-us
I found a couple of things that look to me very significant. I find it very hard to be organised and keep of track of everything I’m trying to work on, so it would be good to cooperate/conspire on this topic.

214428 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Rosie, 1, #1193 of 2222 🔗

Are you pro conspiracy or anti conspiracy? I’m anti myself, but good if you are pro, because we can bounce off each other that way. Better than being an echo chamber. It’s not drastic though!! But would love to work with someone else on it.

214259 Adam, replying to Adam, 25, #1194 of 2222 🔗

I know someone who works at Queens hospital Romford and they know it’s all bullshit there is no 2nd wave Johnson Hancock Witty vallance cummins ferguson and SAGE must be removed from public life held accountable and imprisoned

214304 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Adam, 16, #1195 of 2222 🔗

My brother is a nurse in the North East of England, he says the same. Hospital is slightly busier than dead. As far as I’m concerned Johnson et al should be in court for crimes against humanity. They are killing tens of thousands of people with these kick then can down the road lockdowns.

214260 Dave #KBF, 4, #1196 of 2222 🔗

Another group formed to fight lockdown.

Emma Kenny the video

Link to Twitter account of the group @T4Recovery

214263 Telpin, replying to Telpin, 4, #1197 of 2222 🔗

Any news on Dolan hearing

214419 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Telpin, #1198 of 2222 🔗

Not heard a thing, sorry.

214503 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #1199 of 2222 🔗

Just seen he has been locked out of his Twitter feed for spreading Covid disinformation… interesting timing, thinking of the case…

214284 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 23, #1200 of 2222 🔗

Just heard 6 year olds in France would have to wear masks. Praying for these tiny people 🙏

214291 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to Country Mumkin, 8, #1201 of 2222 🔗

It is madness.

214309 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Country Mumkin, 6, #1202 of 2222 🔗

Those poor poor kids! I would like to think if that were brought in here there would be uproar.

214313 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Janice21, 6, #1203 of 2222 🔗

I doubt it

214342 ▶▶▶ watashi, replying to Janice21, 6, #1204 of 2222 🔗

not judging by the number of child abusing parents I saw in town today. Shocking!

214486 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to watashi, 3, #1205 of 2222 🔗

I watched some chap making his little son put one on yesterday – my OH came out of the shop soon after and I said very loudly that the little boy was way less than 11 and shouldn’t be wearing one (not that anyone should be obviously!) Child abuse it is.

214315 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Country Mumkin, 7, #1206 of 2222 🔗

Child abuse pure and simple.

214353 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Country Mumkin, 6, #1207 of 2222 🔗

From the same regime that wanted to ban face coverings previously

214367 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Country Mumkin, 5, #1208 of 2222 🔗

Pure evil

214375 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Country Mumkin, 5, #1209 of 2222 🔗

Welcome to school in Ontario. All kids, even in kindergarten, have to wear masks at school. Our government recommendation was grades 4 and up, but the school board in Toronto (not sure about other parts of the province) decided it would be “safer” if all kids were masked. A parent group I know of is trying to put together a class action suit against the Toronto school board.

214489 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 3, #1210 of 2222 🔗

Kindergarten???? I want to cry

214377 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Country Mumkin, 5, #1211 of 2222 🔗

Kids 6 and over have been having to wear them in Spain, all day, in school, for 2 months already.

214286 Nobody2020, 5, #1212 of 2222 🔗

Another meme attempt:

214294 JHuntz, replying to JHuntz, 18, #1213 of 2222 🔗

Are the BBC having a laugh regards Scotland restrictions:-

“Level zero – Almost like normal life. However, no area has been placed in this level.”

Level zero is maximum 8 people from three households can meet indoors. Maximum 15 people from 5 households can meet outdoors.

I must have an awfully wild imagination when I reminisce about what I thought normal used to be like…

214340 ▶▶ Julian, replying to JHuntz, 8, #1214 of 2222 🔗

Wankers

214364 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to JHuntz, 4, #1215 of 2222 🔗

When are the people going to wake up and rise up

214393 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to stefarm, 3, #1216 of 2222 🔗

I think we are a long way from it. Furlough has provided a parachute, businesses have just about survived until now and people have blind faith that things will return to normal. I expect resistance to pick up March/ April with mass unemployment/ insolvencies and a realisation after c.12 months that we’ve given away normality.

214300 Ceriain, 2, #1217 of 2222 🔗

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-54730092

More BBC propaganda: How long between increases worldwide.

No mention, of course, of the mass increase in testing that started around the 30 million mark.

214308 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #1218 of 2222 🔗

My local area to be Tier 2 from Saturday. 6 deaths reported at our hospital for October according to the council.

214365 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #1219 of 2222 🔗

Is that Oxford? If not, Oxford also going tier 2 as of Saturday. They pushed for county but there was resistance but I doubt it will be long.

214473 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Sarigan, 1, #1220 of 2222 🔗

Telford & Wrekin. It’s all joining up, as we knew was inevitable.

214332 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Basileus, 2, #1222 of 2222 🔗

Michael further states: ‘ Moreover, since the UK government has confessed that they have no record of the existence of the cause of the supposedly deadly virus, upon which the validity of Parliament’s COVID-1984 policies is entirely dependent, no MP is capable of successfully pleading not guilty to our allegations of pandemic fraud.’

214468 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Basileus, #1223 of 2222 🔗

Oooh, I hope Simon Dolan’s lawyers have seen this!

214394 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Basileus, 1, #1224 of 2222 🔗

A Bonfire Night To Remember

After receiving additional evidence from witnesses to COVID-1984 crimes, the initial drafting of the court papers should now be completed by close of business tomorrow.

The final drafting will be done over the weekend and Monday has been set aside by our legal team for the information to be laid in a criminal court, with summonses to follow without delay.

In addition, the People will also seek an order placing the accused under indefinite house arrest, to prevent any further government crimes being committed.

If such an order for house arrest takes effect on or by the 5th of November, that would give us all a Bonfire Night to remember, in celebration of the metaphorical blowing up of a criminal Parliament and the end of COVID-1984.

https://www.thebernician.net/covid-1984-foi-request-uk-government-admits-virus-doesnt-exist/

214469 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Victoria, #1225 of 2222 🔗

I’m excited at the idea of house arrest for Boris, Hancock, Valance, Whitty and co!

214321 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 7, #1226 of 2222 🔗

Top Tip:
For those still unaware, you can eat and drink together for business purposes under tier 2 rules. Wink

214327 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to PoshPanic, 9, #1227 of 2222 🔗

Does that include negotiating with escorts? Asking for a friend

214346 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #1228 of 2222 🔗

Only in Westminster

214409 ▶▶ Moomin, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #1229 of 2222 🔗

So since I work from home and have a home office does this mean that I can have people round for dinner to discuss business?

214326 ELH, 14, #1230 of 2222 🔗

This is my first post, but I’ve just travelled to Heathrow on the tube and for the first time in a long time I took notice of the announcements and posters and it made me wonder how on earth did the human race become the dominant species when we’re clearly afraid of everything…
There are posters to keep your distance, wear a mask, not smoke (one of the few I actually agree with), don’t hold the doors open, be kind (not all disabilities are visible) and announcements on how to stay hydrated (whilst wearing a mask), not slip on the floor in wet weather, mind the gap…

When did we become so pathetic that we cannot even take a simple tube journey without being constantly told how dangerous life is?

214330 kenadams, replying to kenadams, 12, #1231 of 2222 🔗

Am I the only one getting frustrated at LS’s inconsistent engagement with the ‘cases’ scam? In every article that references them it should be made clear that:

  • these are positive PCR tests, which are themselves hugely inaccurate;
  • hospital admissions are based on a PCR test, so it’s not someone getting really ill from covid and then going to hospital because of it (what the general public imagine in their heads), but in reality pretty much just a general average snap shot of the number of people in the population who have sufficient covid to get a positive PCR test;
  • when someone dies it is ‘with’ not ‘of’, and given the unreliability of the PCR tests, this is hugely important.

Everything being done is being justified by the government on the basis of the three flawed ideas in the general public’s head that a ‘case’ is someone about to die of covid, and that every hospital admission is someone being admitted only because of covid, and that every death is solely because of covid of an otherwise healthy person.

All three of these things are orders of magnitude inaccurate as a consequence of the PCR test and methodology of testing everyone who goes to hospital.

It frustrates me that even LS helps to perpetuate this fraud.

214334 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to kenadams, 3, #1232 of 2222 🔗

Yes. The cases/infections/test positives distinction has been forgotten about and it shouldn’t be

214335 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to kenadams, 2, #1233 of 2222 🔗

Or perhaps I should say, LS doesn’t sufficiently address this when talking about ‘cases’.

214336 ▶▶ Julian, replying to kenadams, 2, #1234 of 2222 🔗

Very well put

214369 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to kenadams, 1, #1235 of 2222 🔗

Very clear and correct from our reading of the figures. It seems this needs repeating daily, even for LS! It probably shows the strength of the relentless propaganda that even people above and below the line here can doubt their own judgement at times. The Guardian front page yesterday was screaming that 60.000 people had died in the of Covid and rising. No wonder the general population is so addled.

BTW, is it right to assume that, given the emptiness of many testing stations, that most testing is going on in institutions i.e. hospitals, care settings and educational establishments? I also find it hard to believe that even those 17 People under 40 who apparently died ‘of’ CV19 were otherwise healthy. How do we know they weren’t sick with other things or even died of injuries? MW

214388 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 1, #1236 of 2222 🔗

My reading of it is that testing is mostly institutional rather than in outdoor test centres. If at hospital, then I’m assuming (I know, dangerous to assume) they have presented with problems other than Covid.

214392 ▶▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to Nick Rose, #1237 of 2222 🔗

Not an assumption. Both my wife and me were made to take test for her planned c-section. We both came back negative, but if she’d got a positive test (whether false or not) she’d have been a covid admission.

214449 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to kenadams, #1238 of 2222 🔗

Thanks for that :o))

214373 ▶▶ stewart, replying to kenadams, 1, #1239 of 2222 🔗

I never call them cases. I always refer to them a positive cases. BUT, I admit, it’s a pain and cases is easier. It’s an insight of how the world works – we prefer easy but wrong over harder but right.

214510 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to stewart, #1240 of 2222 🔗

It is wise to refrain from using the term ‘case’, which subliminally always suggests a medical condition.

I use the term ‘Test’ or ‘PCR’ ‘positive’ or simply ‘+’.

Let’s not play the game by their definitions.

214537 ▶▶▶ jojo, replying to stewart, #1241 of 2222 🔗

As someone else suggested few days back – I like the term PTR (Positive Test Results). PCR gives PTR, whether it is True +/- or False +/-

214338 Paul, replying to Paul, 19, #1242 of 2222 🔗

A few observations this week.
In a restaurant we were pleased to see another couple enter barefaced and another lady with her daughter walk to their table half halfheartedly holding a muzzle over her mouth,she complained ‘why do I have to use this bloody thing ?,the daughter replied ‘it’s only until we get to the table’,to which mum retorted ‘well how bloody ridiculous is that !’,well said,my type of woman !.
Another woman went to the toilet and when she returned she made a big thing of smearing her hands with sanitiser,surely,and I hope so,she would have washed her hands with soap and water after using the toilet ?,more virtue signalling for the dining audience ?.
Another woman got up to go to the toilet and as she crossed the room a voice from another table chirped ‘don’t forget your mask’,the lady stopped in her tracks gave a dismissive swipe of her hand and carried on !.
In town today,high numbers of masked ghouls out on the streets,in the heavy rain with soaking rags stuck to their faces and also a lot or quite young children muzzled,something that makes me really angry.
I noticed a chap loitering outside of the bank,eventually he removed his mask and went in !.The opposite of the image of a prospective robber waiting outside,building up courage before covering up and going inside tooled up with his ‘shooter’.

214356 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Paul, 9, #1243 of 2222 🔗

why do I have to use this bloody thing ?

Just don’t fucking wear it, so ridiculous that even the question as to how it is ridiculous is ridiculous.

Fucking ridiculous.

214378 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to stefarm, 5, #1244 of 2222 🔗

Yes,although to be fair to the woman it was the daughter that pretty much shoved it in her face and was creating a scene,the woman was a bit taken back and basically held it on her chin !,at the table she shoved it straight back at the daughter and never touched it again.The daughter would have been in her early twenties.

214450 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Paul, 2, #1245 of 2222 🔗

The youngsters love them don’t they, why can’t they just wear VW signs around their necks or grolsch bottle tops on their shoes.

They really are dim as they will be wearing them forever……

214523 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to stefarm, 1, #1246 of 2222 🔗

The youngsters love them don’t they”

No they f.ing don’t – any more than any other generalized group – like ‘shop assistants’ or ‘nurses’ … or whatever.

I can’t see how an opposite form of self-righteous preaching (than that of the mask-wearers) helps.

214442 ▶▶ davews, replying to Paul, 2, #1247 of 2222 🔗

I have never understood why they have sanitisers outside the loos, presumably to use after you have touched the door handle on the way out. But most of the places leave the door wide open anyway…. which in itself is very confusing as you cannot see the big gents sign on the door and once had an embarrassing moment when I nearly went in the wrong one.

214551 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to davews, 1, #1248 of 2222 🔗

Exactly my experience when I worked in a coffeeshop located in a council building in a shopping center. sanitiser use before going to the toilet and after. I always thought, hopefully you washed your hands, so why sanitize them again? And… do you wash your hands AT HOME BEFORE you go to the loo?

214566 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Silke David, 3, #1249 of 2222 🔗

Agree. I am heartily sick of the stuff. I want to ban it outright because of the effect it has on me.

Earlier this week, a couple of women asked if they could come in and I said “yes”. I noticed one of them was getting out a bottle of the gloop and I asked her not to spray it anywhere near me. So, what did she do? She squirted it on right in front of me. What kind of person does that?

214348 Iansn, replying to Iansn, 10, #1250 of 2222 🔗

Just signed our business up for the Kickstart. Got the details, its all handled by independent recruitment companies. Scammers paradise! Looked for a local number so the money stays in the area. We want to hire a youngster and help them develop and hopefully give them permanent employment at the end of the six months. We have worked before with the council and put 4 underprivileged or care leaving kids into full time work for good money. Fully controlled, monitored and audited by the council.
What I have just signed is a recipe for disaster for the country and a beanfeast for scammers. The can buy a dormant company with a few years since it started, say you will hire say 20 kids. Get them on board doing what ever. You get £1,500 per kid so once that’s in the bank shut the co. sack the kids and your good to go. 15K richer. There will be hundreds doing it. The co we are going with had a turn over of abut 100K last year and told me they have hundreds of applicants, no need to worry they can do the onboarding for you too and some training for 500-750 for a day. Plus the government pays them for processing the paper work..
Wow, we were contacted by the DWP to take part, and expected them to be involved. All they do is advertise the job and send the CV to the agency who then sends it to us. Why do they need agencies to do this when it is part of the job centres work to handle all of this? Cos there is unaudited money to be made that why! This scam gets bigger by the minute

214376 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Iansn, 2, #1251 of 2222 🔗

Shed full more money for Tory MP’s and Tory party donors

(Other bent political parties are available)

214383 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Cecil B, 5, #1252 of 2222 🔗

“We have morals. If you don’t like them, we can have others.”

Marx Brothers.

214418 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Nick Rose, #1253 of 2222 🔗

Easier to have none. Ask any first or prime minister.

214385 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Iansn, 2, #1254 of 2222 🔗

I looked at this the other day and thought the same thing. The way I understood it, the onboarders get the opportunity of a split of the 1500 on each kid for just filling in a few forms!

214459 ▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #1255 of 2222 🔗

exactly. they run training how to do a cv, apply for a job ec, they will already have one if they get to that stage. I have hired not far short of a thousand kids under 24 in my life and given them all a great chance to become something. I am very proud to say most of them did. We will keep the 1,500 onboarding as we will teach them awhole lot more than some sshark ina suit in an employment agency.

214502 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Iansn, #1256 of 2222 🔗

Talking of youngsters, not seen Poppy on here for a while – have I missed her posts or has she disappeared?

214568 ▶▶ alw, replying to Iansn, #1257 of 2222 🔗

My husband’s nephew wanted funding for a venture. Used Kickstarter. We refused to help through this channel because of their support for BLM.

https://www.kickstarter.com/

214880 ▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to alw, #1258 of 2222 🔗

not the same thing that’s in the USA we are in UK and its government programme

214350 JamesDrebin, replying to JamesDrebin, 32, #1259 of 2222 🔗

A Pre-emptive COVID-mas Carol

Jingle bells, fear porn sells
SAGE has wet the bed
A deadly plague, with symptoms vague
But so few end up dead, Oh!

Jingle bells, lockdown hells
Protect the NHS
Hands Face Space, test and trace
It’s all a bloody mess!

Splashing out the cash
Rishi’s social spending spree
Borrowed from your kids
In debt eternally (hah, hah, hah!)

Small businesses will fail
As the high street slowly dies
But Amazon and GSK… will surely do alright!

Oooooh….

Jingle bells, “The Science” tells
We all must stay inside
Work from home, and die alone
Ignore big-pharma ties, Oh!

Jingle bells, the whole things smells
With “Build Back Better” pleas
But what the hey, post Christmas day
You’ll beg for distance socially!

😉

214358 ▶▶ EssieSW, replying to JamesDrebin, 4, #1260 of 2222 🔗

Fantastic!

214360 Sir Patrick Vaccine, 4, #1261 of 2222 🔗

Suicides on the Rise due to Lockdown

The launch of Recovery For Hope For Balance – Emma Kenny ITV This Morning Psychologist & Presenter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFezwz9oz6I

214366 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 5, #1262 of 2222 🔗

Are you sure the Simon Dolan case started to-day?. I only ask as there is no mention of it on the BBC

214386 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Cecil B, 15, #1263 of 2222 🔗

You might have a fault. Try throwing your TV out the window, that should help.

214412 ▶▶ alw, replying to Cecil B, 5, #1264 of 2222 🔗

This. A bloody disgrace. What about Free Speech?

214464 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to alw, #1265 of 2222 🔗

Outrageous! But would explain the lack of updates..
Which of his posts was supposedly spreading misinformation ?

Jack Dorsey seems to be ‘celebrating’ his subpoena ‘performance’ yesterday by mass banning people…

214508 ▶▶▶▶ Nottingham69, replying to Carrie, #1266 of 2222 🔗

He might be banned himself very soon.

214558 ▶▶▶▶ alw, replying to Carrie, #1267 of 2222 🔗

Updates on Keep Britain Free.
https://twitter.com/britainfree?lang=en

214462 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1268 of 2222 🔗

I believe there are instructions as to how to long in live on Francis Hoar’s Twitter page, but I’m guessing it will have finished for the day by now..

214368 Stuart, 15, #1269 of 2222 🔗

So, “urgent action is needed to prevent England going into Tier 2 lockdown by Christmas, says a scientist.”

How about Revolutionary Action and the abolition of all Covid restrictions, in toto and everywhere, with immediate effect?

Come on, Johnners. Destiny beckons.

214372 Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 12, #1270 of 2222 🔗

Another article on mask dangers to disseminate. For what it’s worth. (Sigh).

If it just stops one person from wearing a mask, it’s worth it…

https://fort-russ.com/2020/05/dr-blaylock-face-masks-pose-serious-risks-to-the-healthy-hypoxia-and-hypercapnia/

Then there’s this. The video is meant to help educate people how to breathe while wearing a mask. I see it as a reason never to wear one. I’m feeling breathless just watching it!

“Improper breathing while wearing surgical or cloth masks have been shown to create anxiety, headaches, increased heart rate, dizziness and fatigue. The respiratory health experts at PN Medical have developed the guidelines for better breathing.”

https://www.pnmedical.com/facemasks/

I mean … what did I just watch? Effing clown effing planet.

LEARN TO BREATHE PROPERLY WITH YOUR MASKS ON, MINIONS.

Stick your ‘inspiratory and expiratory resistance trainer’ up your arse, mate.

214423 ▶▶ annie, replying to Mr Dee, 10, #1271 of 2222 🔗

I was born
I started breathing.
I’ve been breathing ever since.
It sort of comes naturally.

214374 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1272 of 2222 🔗

Just to demonstrate the pathetic bunch we have for leaders locally here in Northern Ireland.

Small business grants due to Covid were paid into political party accounts. Some had informed the scheme of the mistake. Others kept it resting in their accounts and have been found out.

https://www.irishnews.com/news/republicofirelandnews/2020/10/29/news/elisha-mccallion-and-two-other-sinn-fe-in-members-resign-over-covid-relief-cash-2113912/

214382 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #1273 of 2222 🔗

Sure, it was resting an awfully long time, Ted.

214404 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to mattghg, 7, #1274 of 2222 🔗

Down with this sort of thing.

214379 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 26, #1275 of 2222 🔗

In short, Trump could announce next Wednesday that Covid is all bs, he is sacking the fool Fauci and he is ditching the mask. Boris might then want to take note and act.

214402 ▶▶ Moomin, replying to nickbowes, 6, #1276 of 2222 🔗

Hope you’re right!

214422 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to nickbowes, 9, #1277 of 2222 🔗

I think he will win , just but the tsunami of hate/ recount nonsense from the democrats will be off the scale. They will be all about obfuscate and hamstring him doing anything.

214429 ▶▶▶ nickbowes, replying to KBuchanan, 3, #1278 of 2222 🔗

bit like the last four years then !

214460 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to KBuchanan, 3, #1279 of 2222 🔗

The size of the Trump rallies is incredible!
In contrast almost no one is turning up at the Biden ones.. Either the Dems are supremely confident he has already won, or they are fixing it through fraud, it would seem..

214456 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to nickbowes, 1, #1280 of 2222 🔗

I thought Scott Atlas was in charge now, not Fauci?

214547 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Carrie, #1281 of 2222 🔗

He’s on the Covid advisory board. Among others.

214498 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to nickbowes, 3, #1282 of 2222 🔗

The problem is the result won’t be confirmed until after weeks of lawsuits and riots. The Democrats has always openly stated they won’t accept defeat.

214533 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Darryl, #1283 of 2222 🔗

One ‘interesting’ thing – Trump was recently photographed with Pence and (I think) Pompeo, in front of a picture of the only previous President to be re-elected unopposed, James Monroe…
Make of that what you will, but with what is happening with Biden right now (with regard to his being compromised by the links to the CCP), you have to wonder if Biden may not be on the ballot by next week…

214545 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Darryl, 2, #1284 of 2222 🔗

Of course, fixing elections is something the Republicans have never done! 🙂

(Remember Florida?)

… and no I don’t rate either choice,

214556 ▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to RickH, #1285 of 2222 🔗

Of course they have. But this time is going to be worse.

214653 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to nickbowes, #1286 of 2222 🔗

Unfortunately, I believe he does not have the power to fire Fauci. Need a US citizen to confirm this. Calling Fauci a fool is far to kind.

214384 NappyFace, 26, #1287 of 2222 🔗

Come on guys – there’s got to be a conspiracy going on here, hasn’t there???!

They trot out daily terror, threats of police state, fraudulent use of statistics, blatant silencing of legitimate and informed concerns, this CAN’T just be incompetence.

Unless this thing is on a par with Ebola, then the response is obviously completely disproportionate.

214389 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 14, #1288 of 2222 🔗

Pizza Express to shed 1,300 jobs.
Just gets better and better don’t it?

214390 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to Fingerache Philip., 12, #1289 of 2222 🔗

as long as it saves just one life !!

214401 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to nickbowes, 6, #1290 of 2222 🔗

Absolutely, pizza parlours are a breeding ground for C-19.

214410 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to nickbowes, 4, #1291 of 2222 🔗

Probably end 101 lives.

214395 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 12, #1292 of 2222 🔗

In March/April/May there were many deaths in the North West and North East with c19 mentioned on the death certificates. So we know the bug ‘ripped through” these areas at that time, if not to full saturation.

600,000 peeps die each year in the UK because its ‘end of life’ time. Even if my robust immune system can fight nasties of at the moment with ease, it is not unreasonable that in (many) decades my immune system will be old and frail and no longer capable to protect me, and something that once did me no harm might well kill me.

Are we making a huge fuss about another nasty that finishes off those who are simply at the end anyway? If it wasn’t c19 it would be something else?

(I am sure there is an unlucky ‘healthy’ few that sucumb to c19 for what ever reason – as some do to all nasties – but this is rare)

214407 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 5, #1293 of 2222 🔗

Are the majority of those dying now with c19 mentioned on their death certificates not just those who, in the last 6 months, had moved that bit closer to ‘end of life’ frailty – and are part of the 600000 anual deaths that are expected?

214441 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Major Panic, 5, #1294 of 2222 🔗

We can look at Sweden and see that this years mortality will be in line with previous years.

Strangely there are people who try to claim that Sweden failed by having a regular year for mortality. If at the end of this year other countries end up with relatively regular years in terms of mortality will they look back and think it was worth the cost?

214454 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Nobody2020, 7, #1295 of 2222 🔗

Current deaths here in Sweden still seem to be of older people, as you would expect. So much for the ‘more lethal second wave’ that the UK ‘experts’ are predicting….

This October is one of the lowest for deaths EVER here!

214399 chaos, replying to chaos, 11, #1296 of 2222 🔗

Right.. off to the shops! Wearing an old Army Jacket.. if or when challenged I will look haunted and give the Vietnam excuse.

214405 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to chaos, 5, #1297 of 2222 🔗

Don’t forget your Rambo headband!

214415 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to PatrickF, 5, #1298 of 2222 🔗

‘Don’t Push it. Don’t push it, or I’ll give you war you won’t believe. Let it go’

214421 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to chaos, 5, #1299 of 2222 🔗

You weren’t there man, you weren’t there!

214430 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to chaos, 5, #1300 of 2222 🔗

I hope it’s a full metal one.

214400 Steve Hayes, 25, #1301 of 2222 🔗

For more than forty years (1946 to 1989) the British state tried to find vaccines for the common cold. Needless to say, the programme was not successful. Yet, we are supposed to believe that within a matter of months a vaccine can be found for a novel coronavirus.

214406 chaos, 7, #1302 of 2222 🔗

Jesus Christ.. the callers on TalkRadio.. Jesus fucking Christ…
No wonder there are so many nappy wearers.

214408 Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 6, #1303 of 2222 🔗

Just received a text, same number as the GP’s number, saying that Oxford is going into tier 2 on Saturday. I am intrigued as it says that I can’t socialise with anyone from outside my household – what about that coffee at lunchtime with a couple of friends in the staff room? What a load of bllx!

214446 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Ozzie, 1, #1304 of 2222 🔗

Did you freely give the GP your mobile number? If not are they breaking GDPR rules here?

214497 ▶▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Carrie, 1, #1305 of 2222 🔗

I think it was on my patient record – trying to work out how to remove it – perhaps it is easier just to block the number.

214411 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 10, #1306 of 2222 🔗

Medical Errors Responsible for Most COVID-19 Deaths in US
“We also need to remember that a large portion of those who died from COVID-19 were in fact victims of medical errors. As I reported in “ Nurse on the Frontlines of COVID-19 Shares Her Experience ” and “ Frontline Nurse Speaks Out About Lethal Protocols ,” Elmhurst Hospital Center in Queens, New York — which was “the epicenter of the epicenter” of the COVID-19 pandemic in the U.S. — grossly mistreated COVID-19 patients, causing their death.

According to retired Army Sgt. Erin Olszewski, a nurse who worked at Elmhurst during the height of the pandemic, hospital administrators and doctors made a long list of errors, most egregious of which was to place all COVID-19 patients, including those merely suspected of having COVID-19, on mechanical ventilation rather than less invasive oxygen administration.

During her time there, most patients who entered the hospital wound up being treated for COVID-19, whether they tested positive or not, and only one patient survived. The hospital also failed to segregate COVID-positive and COVID-negative patients, thereby ensuring maximum spread of the disease among noninfected patients coming in with other health problems.

By ventilating COVID-19-negative patients, the hospital artificially inflated the case load and death rate. Disturbingly, financial incentives appear to have been at play. According to Olszewski, the hospital received $29,000 extra for a COVID-19 patient receiving ventilation, over and above other treatments. In August 2020, CDC director Robert Redfield admitted that hospital incentives likely elevated hospitalization rates and death toll statistics around the country.”

214420 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Victoria, 2, #1308 of 2222 🔗

Tragic and criminal

214438 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Victoria, 3, #1309 of 2222 🔗

I’m trying to remember where the advice to artificially ventilate patients first came from? Who recommended it? Surely by the time the pandemic hit the UK it had been discovered that this did not work…?

214447 ▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to Carrie, 9, #1310 of 2222 🔗

I early March the S Koreans reported to everyone that they advised NOT to use mechanical ventilation , just use oxygen masks. They found that the intrusive ventilation made the situation much worse, it helped kill. It was ignored by UK/US health authorities. As a consequence they killed people.

214452 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to peyrole, 4, #1311 of 2222 🔗

Murderers

214474 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to peyrole, 1, #1312 of 2222 🔗

That’s kind of what I suspected might have happened…

214491 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to peyrole, 2, #1313 of 2222 🔗

And what of our massive spend on ventilators then? Absolutely mental

214414 Jim Binks, replying to Jim Binks, 1, #1314 of 2222 🔗

Does anyone have a link to a site which gives advise if you refuse to accept a covid fixed penalty notice? Thanks

214427 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Jim Binks, 1, #1315 of 2222 🔗
214433 ▶▶▶ Jim Binks, replying to Mr Dee, #1316 of 2222 🔗

Thanks Mr Dee.

214514 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Jim Binks, 3, #1317 of 2222 🔗

And please spread the word about the Fight the Fines site. The more who know about it, the better. The only way we can stop this is clogging up the courts. I’m donating to them a small amount each month now.

I do think that people are more scared of the fines than the virus. For example, there was barely any mask wearing in Wales until the mandate in September. Then there was almost total compliance.

If we take away the fear of fines, I sense victory.

214552 ▶▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Mr Dee, #1318 of 2222 🔗

I’ve never had a PCN (for anything not related to cars) and I really couldn’t afford to do it anyway (for criminal record reasons, more than financial reasons) but I think these things need to hit the courts.

214448 ▶▶ dickyboy, replying to Jim Binks, #1319 of 2222 🔗

Have you had one Jim?

214493 ▶▶▶ Jim Binks, replying to dickyboy, 1, #1320 of 2222 🔗

No not yet, I just want to know my options. The legislation behind the FPN seems extremely dubious and needs to be challenged. If just a few of us go to court then the police and courts would be swamped.

214714 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Jim Binks, 1, #1321 of 2222 🔗

They’ll seriously delay any cases of significance. The CPS might do selective case dropping as well.

214522 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Jim Binks, 1, #1322 of 2222 🔗

FYI, yesterday’s figures show that the number FPNs issued is still very low:

“258 FPNs were issued between 15 June and 19 October for breaches of the Face Coverings Regulations across England and Wales.

214560 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #1323 of 2222 🔗

The vast majority will be BTP. They are not proper police and have nothing to most of the time

214554 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Jim Binks, 1, #1324 of 2222 🔗

Play the long game, they will all be cancelled eventually

214563 ▶▶▶ Jim Binks, replying to Cecil B, #1325 of 2222 🔗

Thats what I was thinking cheers

214416 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 6, #1326 of 2222 🔗

Dr Mike Yeadon Former CSO & VP Allergy Respiratory Research Pfizer Global R&D 29th Oct 2020

MUST WATCH
explain there are not excess deaths – the pandemic is over

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y51GICqL9E

214435 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 6, #1327 of 2222 🔗

Hope Simon Dolan’s lawyers have seen that – will help his case, proving that the measures are out of all proportion to the threat now….

Anyone heard how the case has gone today? I’ve not had time to follow it online…

214532 ▶▶▶ EllGee, replying to Carrie, 1, #1328 of 2222 🔗

Simon’s been banned from Twitter for 12 hours for “spreading misleading/potentially harmful information” about covid. Strange that

214542 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to EllGee, 1, #1329 of 2222 🔗

Not strange at all, as we know 😉
Is there an update anywhere else?

214550 ▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to EllGee, #1330 of 2222 🔗

Banned by whom?

214618 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Cecil B, #1331 of 2222 🔗

Twitter

But the Keep Britain Free Twitter feed has a few highlights from today’s hearing..

214439 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 18, #1332 of 2222 🔗

Love this comment

Don’t forget this “Virus” is so deadly that the government advice is to send your sample in a cardboard box through the post alongside millions of other mail

214443 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to stefarm, 8, #1333 of 2222 🔗

Hadn’t thought of that! Maybe something for Julia H-B to take up with ministers in her interviews?
What is the death rate among postal workers? Surely many must have died…??!!

214457 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Carrie, 9, #1334 of 2222 🔗

My postie is fit as a butchers dog and my colleague’s husband is a postman and he has been working throughout, no cases at his sorting office.

Fucking scam ain’t it 🤫

214507 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to stefarm, 2, #1335 of 2222 🔗

3 posties round my way, all unmasked.

My main postie is one of us; thinks it’s all bollocks; doesn’t know any colleagues who have had it; doesn’t know of any of his ‘customers’ who have died.

As you say, S; “Fucking scam…”

214479 ▶▶▶▶ silverbirch, replying to Carrie, 3, #1336 of 2222 🔗

My postie said they worked cheek by jowl in the sorting office and not one person became ill. Only one person allowed in each van though!

214451 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to stefarm, 4, #1337 of 2222 🔗

Such a good observation!

214487 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to CGL, 1, #1338 of 2222 🔗

It’s a bit like the theatre. As long as they are visible in public – as in a van – they have to pretend.

When they are in a sorting office they are backstage so to speak.

214426 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 10, #1339 of 2222 🔗

Follow the money

Asset and share prices etc at very low prices

Testing company and vaccine shares at high prices

We are awaiting the result of the American election.

Forgone conclusion my view

Trump re-elected. Stops the Corona bollocks. Our dictator follows suit

Short big pharma and testing companies

Buy distressed shares and fixed assets

Those in the know will make a fortune and the taxpayers pick up the bill

214432 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Cecil B, 4, #1340 of 2222 🔗

Look at how the US economy is right now too – huge boost, almost back to pre-pandemic!

214436 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to Cecil B, 4, #1341 of 2222 🔗

Our fat idiot is hedging his bets right now

214484 ▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to nickbowes, 1, #1342 of 2222 🔗

Fat idiot will do as he is told once Trump is re elected!

214490 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1343 of 2222 🔗

Not convinced big pharma will lose should Trump be re-elected.

Would be amazed if the script is Trump wins and everything goes back to normal in a few months. I get the impression the past few months are just the warm up for the main event they have planned for us post 3rd November – another level of tyranny and dystopia.

I hope you are correct!

214505 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Darryl, 2, #1344 of 2222 🔗

Big pharma will win whoever’s elected.

Two party democracy is purely theatre.

214526 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #1345 of 2222 🔗

Agree, politics is theatre. The military complex and big multinational are sadly where the real power lies in the US, it is far from the land of the free.

214625 ▶▶ ColoradoGirl, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1346 of 2222 🔗

It just seems like all those vaccines aren’t going away.

214437 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 10, #1347 of 2222 🔗

My borough is going into tier 2 from 1 minute past midnight on Saturday, another university town so the students are getting the blame.

214440 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to p02099003, 3, #1348 of 2222 🔗

Commiserations 🙁

214444 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to p02099003, 10, #1349 of 2222 🔗

I m in tier two and am off to my old mum s for sunday dinner !

214445 ▶▶ MizakeTheMizan, replying to p02099003, 9, #1350 of 2222 🔗

Ignoring Tier 2 won’t be much more hardship than ignoring Tier 1.

214492 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to MizakeTheMizan, 6, #1351 of 2222 🔗

You’re right. It’s a full time job trying to keep up with all the regulations we need to ignore.

214593 ▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Achilles, 2, #1352 of 2222 🔗

Yes, I’m torn. Is it better to pay absolutely no attention to the rotten mad totalitarian laws, and carry on with a kind of superb oblivious disdain, or to have them fully mastered so that one can actually plan one’s life around breaking as many of them as possible?

214501 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to p02099003, #1353 of 2222 🔗

Here too (if not the same place). just dropped into Aldi on the way home and there was plenty of horrified chatter about it at the checkouts. All about how terrible and dangerous the situation was – nothing about the assault on our freedoms. I’m afraid I just wanted to escape and did not stop to fight our corner.

214509 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to p02099003, #1354 of 2222 🔗

Is this Oxford (just recently had a text about this – going into tier 2 on Saturday)?

Looking at the stats, on the BBC show 2 more “cases” in the last week (202 “cases” w/e 26/10 or 132/100k) and 78 deaths in total (presumably since March). (Don’t usually use the BBC, but someone mentioned Carl Heneghan had spoken on Radio 4 this morning – but can’t find it).

Hardly anything to get excited about.

214564 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to p02099003, #1355 of 2222 🔗

More blame it on the kids, as if they haven’t been crapped on enough

214453 calchas, replying to calchas, 9, #1356 of 2222 🔗

The future for all of us depends on a balanced response to COVID-19 and a proper public debate that ensures we pursue the best policies. That’s why I started Recovery.”

Jon Dobinson

Mike Yeadon says covid-19 is over.

I agree with Yeadon. where is the evidence that it is continuing?

http://www.euromomo.eu

Show me!

214465 ▶▶ Julian, replying to calchas, 5, #1357 of 2222 🔗

Balanced response to covid-19 = advise public of (minimal for most) risks, make sure critical care capacity is used wisely, look for better treatments, advise on prevention, otherwise get back to normal.

I think you have to break it gently to people that it’s over.

214712 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Julian, -1, #1358 of 2222 🔗

There is no good evidence which indicates that Covid-19 is over. The data from Europe provides no support whatsoever that it might near the end.

214467 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to calchas, 1, #1359 of 2222 🔗

I agree with him too. Anyway – how can we tell now that they’re adding flu figures to the covid figures (can’t recall the link) – which would explain why there aren’t many flu cases (REAL ”cases”) showing up.

214527 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Banjones, #1360 of 2222 🔗

I suspect it’s because they are not mandated to test for flu. Covid has priority and resources are short (as per that paper on covid and flu from the Northern Ireland lockdown info)

And companies are incentivised to test for Covid.

It’s a fucking scam.

214557 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to calchas, #1361 of 2222 🔗

I think a bit of care needs to be taken with the excess death figures. If the direct effects of lockdown haven’t been showing up here ( Heneghan making the case they are ), they will soon. We know how they’re classing tests as cases, so any uptick in excess could be used by the zealots to say they were right.

214620 ▶▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to PoshPanic, #1362 of 2222 🔗

That’s why we need to focus on respiratory illness deaths now. I’m looking for an updated version of this one. We know deaths and hospitalisations will go up over winter. We know the media and government will give no context and use the figures to terrorise people further. This is the tool that will help us to make people lose the fear.

214666 ▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to PompeyJunglist, #1363 of 2222 🔗

It comes from CEBM

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/summary-of-the-ons-report-on-deaths-registered-weekly-in-england-and-wales-29nd-september/

Maybe they are updating it regularly?

‘All queries should be directed to the Centre’s primary contact person Ruth Davis, CEBM Operations & Centre Manager ( ruth.davis@phc.ox.ac.uk )’

214705 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to calchas, -2, #1364 of 2222 🔗

There will be a lag. If there is a second large wave the deaths won’t be apparent for a number of weeks. The point is the current trend is indicating a Spring like surge in about 6 weeks. I made this point in an earlier comment which you might have replied to.

A number of those who responded completely missed the main point of my comment.

214458 annie, replying to annie, 32, #1365 of 2222 🔗

Another carol for the jolly season of Covvitide.

As sheeples stood in flocks one night
All watching BBC,
An expert from the SAGE came down:
A lyng git was he.

‘Fear lots’, said he – and mighty dread
Seized on what they called their mind:
‘Dread tidings of a plague I bring
To kill all humankind.

So you will get locked down this day
And hide under the bed
And all you’ll get from MSM
Will be a count of dead.’

Thus spake the expert, and forthwith
Tik tok, tik tok, tik tok!
A troupe of nurses, who got clapped
On Thursdays, eight o’clock .

All glory be to C19
And on the earth be hell,
While evil and vile tyranny
Are doing very well.

214463 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to annie, 2, #1366 of 2222 🔗

Excellent! Great job with the scanning and rhyming too! Just my cup of tea…. (though I think a G&T might be in order right now, sun over the yardarm and all that…..)

214477 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to annie, 4, #1367 of 2222 🔗

Brilliant! Mind if I use at the illicit carol singing session I am going to organise?

214582 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to kh1485, 1, #1368 of 2222 🔗

Do!

214478 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to annie, 1, #1369 of 2222 🔗

Inspired, Annie! As ever 😉

214588 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to annie, #1370 of 2222 🔗

author! author!

214675 ▶▶ watashi, replying to annie, #1371 of 2222 🔗

fantastic! I shall get my girls singing it. They love to sing loudly as we walk 🙂

214472 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 7, #1372 of 2222 🔗

Apropos of something someone said earlier, about our having ”A SIGN” to show we’re LDSs – I thought more about this ”blue scarf” thing. I don’t wear a muzzle under ANY circumstances – but I do wear a blue scarf just in case I have to approach one of the Terminally Terrified. I pull it up a bit, just to show willing (reluctantly). I find it more of a protest than not wearing one at all.

How about we all wear Blue Scarves? See me in Worcester.

214571 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Banjones, #1373 of 2222 🔗

A gentle humming of the William Tell overture or a quick Heigh-Ho Silver. Who is that unmasked man/woman?.

214587 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to p02099003, #1374 of 2222 🔗

a gentle humming of the WT overture, adorable! You’ll hear me coming for sure.

214594 ▶▶▶▶ Adam Antiam, replying to Alethea, 1, #1375 of 2222 🔗

How about just ignore the whole charade and carry on as before. Virus’s don’t exist so how could anybody catch one

214475 Paul, replying to Paul, 7, #1376 of 2222 🔗

I know some people think all of this madness is just incompetence and others think it is a global plan.If it is just sheer incompetence why are so many countries from all parts of the globe acting in the same way and acting in step ?,for my whole life all I have seen is how countries always take advantage of another’s misfortune to better their own outcomes.With most major western nations deliberately destroying their economies and societies how is it none of the usual anti-western nations,perhaps excepting China,are using this to their advantage ?,it seems they are doing the same thing to themselves instead.How is it,with so many countries that hate each others guts,it appears nowhere has there been any major attempt to gain territory by military force ? and the terrorists ?,what’s happened to them ?,are they scared of the rona ?,for twenty years or more we’ve been told to be scared to death of the terror attack that was going to happen at any time,anywhere,Has CV eradicated terrorism aswell as Influenza ?.I have long expected a major terror attack this year,surely the best time to hit your enenmy,when they are down ?.

214482 ▶▶ silverbirch, replying to Paul, 5, #1377 of 2222 🔗

I just found out that my sister in Montreal is having another month in lockdown, ie whole of November. The Province of Quebec has hardly had any cases or deaths.

214500 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Paul, 5, #1378 of 2222 🔗

There was a terror attack in France today.

214506 ▶▶ chris, replying to Paul, 1, #1379 of 2222 🔗

perhaps for some its TREASON for others they were always part of the plan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYQ-RIVasG4

https://twitter.com/DystopianEarth/status/1321433171972497408

214512 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Paul, 1, #1380 of 2222 🔗

No big events. City centres quiet.

214579 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Paul, #1381 of 2222 🔗

Because fear and panic is a stronger motivator. Everybody has copied China, so the truly cynical might suggest (probably erroneously, but you never know), that China nudged the rest. If these countries had all acted in true lockstep, every single lockdown would have been exactly the same, with exactly the same rules. This has not been the case.

Incompetence explains why many politicians rushed into lockdown, being seen to be doing something gives the impression that the leaders are doing something. The arse-covering since has been to make that something they did appear worthwhile. The action now is to try and find a way out without losing face.

Normal service, of trying to play each other against each other, will resume immediately after the damage limitation exercise.

PS Lockdown in China lasted four weeks.

214621 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Nick Rose, #1382 of 2222 🔗

They knew within 3 weeks that this wasn’t the threat that we were led to believe.If they had opened up then,there would have been no consequences.Why the continual doubling down?
And the measures they are taking although not identical are pretty similar.Too similar and too stupid for nations to copy each other

214628 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Paul, #1383 of 2222 🔗

I’m just reading Michael O’Bernicia’s latest thread on his website and almost shaking:

‘While preparing the court papers for the Private Criminal Prosecution of MPs for pandemic fraud, we have discovered that the office of the secretary of state for mandatory vaccinations has now admitted in a Freedom of Information Request [FOI] that they have no records which show that the cause of the COVID 19 virus has ever been proven to exist.
Yes, you did read that correctly.

Admission of Guilt To put this in perspective, this is akin to the UK banks admitting that they never lend any money, when we started alleging that against them more than a decade ago.
It therefore doesn’t take much effort to work out that the pressure the Private Criminal Prosecution has placed upon every serving MP has catalysed the beginning of the end for this treacherous Parliament. One way or another.
Moreover, since the UK government has confessed that they have no record of the existence of the cause of the supposedly deadly virus, upon which the validity of Parliament’s COVID-1984 policies is entirely dependent, no MP is capable of successfully pleading not guilty to our allegations of pandemic fraud.

DHSC HOLDS NO INFORMATION ON ISOLATION OF SARS-CoV-2 [THE ALLEGED CAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC]Nevertheless, here lies the very heart of the dishonesty, which all COVID-1984 policies continue to be predicated upon:

In short, the cause of the virus [and therefore the virus itself] have never been proven to exist and everybody in the Department of Health knows it.

Criminal law treats such evidence as proof of intent to commit fraud, for material gain.
Especially when the secretary of state in question, who has corporate interests in Big Pharma, as PSC of Porton Biopharma Limited, is knowingly pushing the mandatory vaccination agenda, for a virus that doesn’t exist.

The Smoking Gun of the COVID-1984 MassacrePlease read the Freedom of Information request for yourself below. It represents the nearest we can get to a smoking gun in the COVID-1984 massacre, by fraudulent, treasonous and genocidal government policy.

1. 25 July 2020: Freedom of Information request – Full, accurate and complete disclosure of SARS-COV-2 virus records.

2. “Please provide a full, accurate and complete list of records held within your office, and or under your authority, describing the isolation of a SARS-COV-2 virus, directly taken from a symptomatic patient of COVID-19 where the sample was not first combined with any other source of genetic material (not limited but by way of example monkey kidney cells, aka vero cells, liver cancer cells) thereby eliminating contamination as a possible alternative source of sampling.

Please note isolation is used in the normally understood meaning of the word – the act of separating a thing from another. I am not referring, and hence not requesting, to isolation meaning the culture of something else, the performance of an amplification test (eg PCR test which only detect mRNA or DNA) or the sequencing of “something”.

If any records match the above description and are available to the public elsewhere, please provide enough information so that I may identify and access each record with certainty (i.e. title, author(s), date, journal, and weblink or location where the public may access it).

I remind you full, accurate and complete disclosure is required.”

2. 24 August 2020: Your request has been handled under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA).

“DHSC does not hold information on the isolation of a SARS-COV-2 virus.”

3. 25 August 2020: Request for internal review.

4. “There is plenty of assumptions and presumptions, however there is no definitive evidence requested in my FOI request. In order to make legislation presumptions and assumptions is a breach of duty of care and can even be gross negligence. Legislature relies upon expert opinion, and must be able to show proportionality and for the common good, failing which the legislation is null and void being against logic and reason. Accordingly you are required to provide the records upon which PHE relies upon to show it has followed its lawful obligations, and that means you are required to show evidence not based upon the opinions of others assumptions and presumptions resulting from your response to my original FOI.”

5. 28 October 2020: FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT (FOIA): INTERNAL REVIEW: CASE REFERENCE IR 1243364.

“Conclusion

After careful consideration of the subject matter, I have concluded that the response you received was compliant with the requirements of the FOIA and I uphold DHSC’s statement that the Department does not hold the requested information.”

214481 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 7, #1384 of 2222 🔗

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/education/department-of-education-tells-schools-told-to-stop-using-further-52-sanitisation-products-39683436.html

Shock horror – hand sanitisers are not stopping the spread of COVID19.

Given the low level of “infection” in those of school going age, that this hand sanitiser hasn’t been proven to have the effect it claimed would appear to be an irrelevance. As such, this move by the (Irish) Department of Education is a pure ass covering exercise.

214483 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ewan Duffy, 2, #1385 of 2222 🔗

To the cost of millions.

214517 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1386 of 2222 🔗

Oh it will be to the benefit of a friend of government

214495 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Ewan Duffy, 5, #1387 of 2222 🔗

Excellent. Let’s hope masks get the boot soon as well.

214553 ▶▶ ianric, replying to Ewan Duffy, #1388 of 2222 🔗

I understand that with sanitizers they must contain at least 60% alcohol. I wonder how much alcohol was in these sanitizers.

214575 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #1389 of 2222 🔗

Removed for safety reasons:

RTE: https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1029/1174742-schools-covid-19/

The Department of Education has written to schools recalling more sanitising products, including hand sanitisers, wipes, detergents, and hand soaps.
It has advised schools of “further safety concerns related to the items, which were all previously recommended for use on departmental procurement documents”.
The department said the items “ cannot be considered fully safe “.
It has ordered “their full withdrawal and replacement before Monday morning”.
The list of items contains more than 50 products supplied to schools by nine different companies.

214603 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to godowneasy, 1, #1390 of 2222 🔗

Is that just Ireland or all of the UK?

214634 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Carrie, #1391 of 2222 🔗

The Republic of Ireland.

214494 calchas, 19, #1392 of 2222 🔗

Someone further down mentioned that only one postal worker is allowed per postal van, whereas in the sorting office the workers are cheek by jowl.

I compared this to the theatre – sorting office is backstage, in the van (public) is on the stage.

This whole thing is now one enormous charade, where we are all expected to play our roles and wear our costumes.

214504 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 26, #1393 of 2222 🔗

Out and about today, chatted to quite a few shop staff, car dealership staff, workers etc and not one person thought what is going on at the moment is anything other than “total bollocks” as most of then actually said once they saw my not brainwashed badge.

Put some staff right bout when they can take off their masks – biggest one being when talking to someone like me who relies on facial expressions and clear speech to understand them. Amazing how quick the masks came off as soon as they one this.

I get the feeling that once the dam starts to burst the edifice will all collapse very quickly as most people just waiting for others to kick off so they can join in.

Pointed out this website to the most sceptic, especially the younger ones, so if any of you from the Shrewsbury van dealers have come to read “welcome and enjoy”.

214585 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #1394 of 2222 🔗

I have a day dream so vivid that the first time it actually made me cry. I’m on campus, about to teach an UG seminar. I go in (unmasked as usual, exemption lanyard on), sit down, greet my students (all masked, as usual), take the register, ask if there are any questions before we begin our discussion – and then, one by one, every student takes off his or her mask. It’s wordless and quite quick. I don’t have long to reflect on what to do; I just take off my lanyard.

214729 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Awkward Git, #1395 of 2222 🔗

And don’t wear a muzzle. Wear a blue scarf.

214511 calchas, replying to calchas, 11, #1396 of 2222 🔗

Imagine an office party, where all the participants get drunk and behave in ways they would never normally do with each other.

Next day at the office nobody mentions what happened the night before. Everyone just pretends it all never happened.

Will that be the case when (if) this comes to an end.

Will the hysterics look each other in the eye?

We will all I guess struggle to find some collective justification.

214515 ▶▶ leggy, replying to calchas, 6, #1397 of 2222 🔗

No. It’s going to take years at the least for many to get over this. They’ll be suffering from PTSD.

214536 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to leggy, 6, #1398 of 2222 🔗

Can you get PTSD from a Christmas Party?

Do you have it mixed up with STD?

214671 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Cecil B, #1399 of 2222 🔗

I’ll bet a lot of people would jump at the chance of picking up an STD or two right now.

214538 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to calchas, 3, #1400 of 2222 🔗

It’ll be the usual, in the MSM, on social media, and the general public who all fell for it: “I knew it was a scam/bollocks all the time.” or “I never believed any of it!”

214592 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1401 of 2222 🔗

Think about Blair.Dont know anyone now, who voted for him

214632 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #1402 of 2222 🔗

LOL! So true.

214731 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to calchas, #1403 of 2222 🔗

Think how it might have been in Vichy France once the war had been ended….

214516 NickR, replying to NickR, 5, #1404 of 2222 🔗

2 linked charts.
The 1st shows all cause mortality for this year against the average for the last 5 years. It’s just nudged over the mean line but considering the NHS went AWOL for about half the population this isn’t entirely surpring.
I’ve also shown this years flu & Covid as a stacked bar chart against the average flu deaths for the past 10 years flanked by the weekly high and low for flu deaths over those 10 years.
Considering how many dementia, COPD & other cause deaths must have been dragged into the Covid deaths by dodgy PCR tests it isn’t surprising that it’s just nudged ahead.
Hope you find them of interest.

214534 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to NickR, 3, #1405 of 2222 🔗

Nice, Nick.

To get an idea of all cause mortality in Europe, check out the graphs at Euromomo: https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps#z-scores-by-country

France (new lockdown), Germany (new lockdown), and all four countries of the UK (3 in lockdown) make for interesting viewing.

214559 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1406 of 2222 🔗

Yes – they’re absolutely fascinating. when you consider how much was made of Euromomo graphs in April. Suddenly, they’re not relevant.

214629 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to RickH, 1, #1407 of 2222 🔗

Suddenly, they’re not relevant.

Yes, funny that.

Malcolm Kendrick, in his interview with Zac Cox talked about the Euromomo data. He was amazed that some countries showed no increases at all, even in the spring ‘first wave’. Almost as if some places were making numbers up.

214732 ▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Ceriain, #1408 of 2222 🔗

”Making numbers up”….. Oh SURELY not! They couldn’t possibly giving us some made-up numbers, could they? Just to scare us?

214572 ▶▶ RickH, replying to NickR, 3, #1409 of 2222 🔗

Nick – it’s even more interesting if you take a longer time frame, since the last ten years has been a period of remarkably low mortality in historical terms – i.e. we have seen much worse over the last 50-75 years – and not blinked.

In terms of the 27 years that I have tracked, despite a rise, current running mortality is still in the lower half of the range for the period (quite near the minimum = 2011) when tracked in a parallel way to your first graph.

214590 ▶▶▶ NickR, replying to RickH, 2, #1410 of 2222 🔗

I think the arrival of 1m young East Europeans has skewed the numbers since the early 2020s. From 1950 to 1970 50% of the years had excess winter deaths of over 60,000 in a poulation 30% smaller than today’s.

214518 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 20, #1411 of 2222 🔗

Think a letter is coming on next week to these guys asking them to explain why councils have no evidence:

https://www.local.gov.uk

Can’t do it this weekend, “business meeting” with dinner this weekend with an old friend I’ve not seen in a while and for the first time in about 8 years we are in the same country at the same time so too much beer, homemade fajitas with all the trimmings and a bullshit overload will be happening.

This government turning me into a deliberate law breaker, conscientious objector, resistance fighter as I’ve lost all respect (what little I had) for authority and the law.

So I’ll be quiet for a few days – thank fuck for that and a big sigh of relief I can hear is it?

214528 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #1412 of 2222 🔗

Awkward Git – I’m pleased to see you here because I’ve been thinking about these letters and duty of care. Been trying to find answers. Back in a minute
I’ve been feeling frustrated by the fact that we seem not to have any legal bods here on these pages (where are you all) and so took my questions to the Daily Telegraph readers. Only one answer so far, but I think this must be an avenue worth exploring, even if a simple reminder of duties and responsibilities gives nothing more than pause for thought, but I think it must go further than that.

I wonder if we are missing something important…..

29 Oct 2020 4:28PM
I’ve a question for commenters here….
Example 1
Many people write letters to local bodies, MPs, asking about what data their policies are based on. The replies are always to the effect that they are following government guidance/laws. Surely they can’t get away with this? Don’t they have a personal duty of care? And do they have a personal responsibility to tell the truth?

Example 2
This is a remark today by a teacher in America:
“I teach 7th graders. One of the rare times they are allowed to go mask free is while they are eating lunch. A girl had taken off her mask and laid it next to her on the table. It was so filthy that I thought she had taken out her shoe insert and laid it next to her! I can’t that she is breathing that in for hours a day. 7th graders as a whole consider it all a big joke.”
Reply 1 : “Come on. Take a picture of that soiled rag and send that to the head. Child welfare anyone?
You don’t need to be the anti mask person. Just point out that there is a clear lack of hygiene with use”
Teacher: “The response would be to come up with rules about washing face masks. The fear of the adults is real.”
I commented that It’s happening on school premises. I presume the head has a general duty of care and should be reminded. These individuals need to realise that they have a responsibility and can’t say that they were merely following government guidance, the more these people, who have local power and influence, will start to (a) ask questions and (b) take responsibility. (and got no response)

Comments please! It seems to me that people who are writing letters of ( – but this isn’t a question specifically about masks but about duty of care and responsibility of individuals in positions of power, such as local authorities, teachers and head teachers.
I’m utterly opposed to masks as unhealthy in every way and inhuman, but given that the school is imposing them, then they surely have a duty to change them every two hours (or 20 minutes, or 4 hours – I’ve seen these all as ‘official’ figures).

A related question is this:
If an official person tells me that “there is an extremely dangerous global pandemic on” which is a false statement and easily shown to be such – is that official person culpable in some way for misleading me in their official capacity?

First answer:
They’re obliged to conform to Government advice – but Government advice is ignorant of scientific knowledge.
What can you do?!

My reply:
I was following the rules sir isn’t a defence.
I don’t envy their position, but surely they still have a personal duty of care and part of the pushback against all this should be reminding them of that fact.
Anyone with knowledge of the law in this area here please?

Second reply from Tom Archer:

Hi Rosie,
Duty of care is (I think) the oldest and shortest law still current law on the statute books, dating (IIRC) from the reign of Henry VIII.
It simply states that every citizen shall have a duty of care to his neighbour (neighbour being taken in the broader of context of anyone you happen to encounter in your daily life)
To give a very basic example, if someone is about to get run over by a bus, and you do nothing to help or warn them, but instead wait for the strawberry jam effect, you are failing in your duty of care..
In legal practice it tends to get invoked in scores of different ways when more specific laws do not apply, and has been interpreted countless times by the courts.

My reply: Given the overwhelming evidence for damage to health from masks, do you have any insight into why schools, universities etc are imposing them?
Can you enlighten me as to why I’ve seen no pushback along these lines?

214601 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Rosie, #1413 of 2222 🔗

MPs don’t have any duty of care, it is up to them how they handle the relationship with there constituents. There are no “rules”.

They also do not fall under the FOI regulations.

As to their behaviour – the above and ignoring constituents do not come under Parliamentary Standards so a complaint cannot be made. This only applies to how they act and treat Parliament. I know this as I’ve asked the Parliamentary Standards Commissioner as she will not start an investigation no matter what even when I told her what standards MPs are breaking and she’s not interested.

As to schools – the big chink is risk assessments. This sit here you can drive a wedge into their idiocy.

These must be evidence based but all anyone (including companies like Tesco) is doing is copying and pasting government guidelines which as we know have no scientific proof to support them so this is where schools etc can be challenged but as they can set there own rules like pub and shop owners etc they can make masks a condition of using their property blah blah blah.

Something happens on their premises following these risk assessments then if they are in court under HS+E charges and failings they will be ripped to shreds due to inadequately researched risk assessments with no evidence to support their mitigations.

Look at Notices of Conditional Agreement – mentioned in the comments on here over the past 2 or 3 days, worth reading as these put the onus on the company etc to prove their mask edicts are safe.

You just got to keep banging your head against the wall and making a nuisance of yourself until something cracks.

214619 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #1414 of 2222 🔗

It sounds to me as if all these companies and the schools need a letter that sets out the evidence and reminds them of their responsibilities.
Anyone here want to get a team together? and get in touch with  UsForThem to see what they are doing already along these lines.
don’t tell me to do it myself – I’m already super-busy with ‘climate change’ and trying to keep my website up to date, and trying to collate information of various types and helping create leaflets.

Someone please volunteer! We are running out of time.

By the way, Toby sent me an email at 1.30am, just to give you an idea of how hard he is working!

214574 ▶▶ annie, replying to Awkward Git, #1415 of 2222 🔗

Have a great time, but be back asap!

214685 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Awkward Git, #1416 of 2222 🔗

Have a great break AG.

Didn’t know there is such a thing as too much beer … Must get out more. 🙂

214736 ▶▶ Watt, replying to Awkward Git, #1417 of 2222 🔗

‘a deliberate law breaker, conscientious objector, resistance fighter as I’ve lost all respect (what little I had) for authority and the law’
A respectable enough CV for the times, all the same. On and up!

214520 Laura Suckling, replying to Laura Suckling, 13, #1418 of 2222 🔗

It’s a Covid Christmas!!!!

Jingle bells, fear sells
Covid all the way
Oh, what fun it is to hide
And let life slip away

Hey, jingle bells, papers sell
Fear porn all the day
Terrify the people
MPs on extra pay

Jingle bells, this is Hell
Protests not allowed
Don’t kill poor old Granny
Don’t gather in a crowd

Hey, jingle bells, feeling proud
Of masking in my car
No more than 6 for Xmas
They’re pushing us too far

214530 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Laura Suckling, 1, #1419 of 2222 🔗

Brilliant! Need the 12 tiers of christmas next lol!

214531 ▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to PoshPanic, #1420 of 2222 🔗

I’m working on it.

214562 ▶▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to PoshPanic, 9, #1421 of 2222 🔗

Been working on it since the weekend feel free to add or swap verses
On the first tier of Christmas Boris sent to me, a virus and a face nappy…
On the second tier of Christmas Boris sent to me 2metre distance and a virus and a face nappy
On the 3rd tier of Christmas Boris sent to me 3 week Lockdown 2 metre distance and a virus and a face nappy
On the 4th tier of Christmas Boris sent to me 4 lying Profs 3 week Lockdown 2 metre distance and a virus and a face nappy
On the 5th tier of Christmas Boris sent to me Matt Hancock 4 lying Profs 3 week Lockdown 2 metre distance and a virus and a face nappy
On the 6th tier of Christmas Boris sent to me rule of 6 friends 5 Matt Hancock 4 lying Profs 3 week Lockdown 2 metre distance and a virus and a face nappy
On the 7th day of Christmas Boris sent to me 7 test and tracers rule of 6 friends 5 Matt Hancock 4 lying Profs 3 week Lockdown 2 metre distance and a virus and a face nappy
On the 8th day of Christmas Boris sent to me 8 nasal swabs 7 test and tracers rule of 6 friends 5 Matt Hancock 4 lying Profs 3 week Lockdown 2 metre distance and a virus and a face nappy
On the 9th day of Christmas Boris sent to me 9 Covid Marshall’s 8 nasal swabs 7 test and tracers rule of 6 friends 5 Matt Hancock 4 lying Profs 3 week Lockdown 2 metre distance and a virus and a face nappy
On the 10th Day of Christmas Boris sent to me 10pm Curfew 9 Covid Marshall’s 8 nasal swabs 7 test and tracers rule of 6 friends 5 Matt Hancock 4 lying Profs 3 week Lockdown 2 metre distance and a virus and a face nappy
On the 11th day of Christmas Boris sent to me 11 Welsh fire breaks 10 pm curfew 9 Covid Marshall’s 8 nasal swabs 7 test and tracers rule of 6 friends 5 Matt Hancock 4 lying Profs 3 week Lockdown 2 metre distance and a virus and a face nappy
On the 12th day of Christmas Boris said to me it’s Christmas for me and not for thee

214583 ▶▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to tonyspurs, #1422 of 2222 🔗

Excellent! and true.

214642 ▶▶▶▶ Steve, replying to tonyspurs, #1423 of 2222 🔗

I think 11 local lockdowns would fit better than welsh fire breaks.

214521 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 11, #1424 of 2222 🔗

‘Second Wave’ Has Claimed Lives of Just 17 People Under 40

Apologies Toby but fake news. I’m a big fan but:

There is no scientific evidence that it ‘claimed’ any of these lives

All the evidence suggests a PCR false positive return of 90%+

I know I’m repeating myself, however:

‘Mr A gets run over by a bus. He is tested in casualty and returns a positive or false positive PCR test.

Mr ‘A’ is a covid admission (1st time)

Mr ‘A’ is transferred to a general ward (covid admission for the second time)

On the general ward Mr ‘A’ takes a turn for the worse and is transferred to ICU (third covid admission)

In ICU he sadly dies from his injuries caused by the bus

Statistically

One positive covid test
Three hospital covid admissions
One covid death

There is only one statistic that can be relied upon and that is total deaths from all causes in a year

Why? because it’s the only one that’s provable.

They are either dead or they ain’t

If we get to the end of the year and the total deaths are similar to previous years then how do they explain that?

214598 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1425 of 2222 🔗

Lockdown itself has already killed thousands, those excess deaths will themselves be used as proof that we needed to be locked down because, hey, look at all the excess deaths.

214609 ▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1426 of 2222 🔗

I believe there is an account of the very sad death of the youngest victim, a 17 year old waiting for an urgent operation who died after contracting and then testing negative for Covid.

214524 THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 3, #1427 of 2222 🔗

NEW PODCAST IS HERE!

Halloween Special…

VACCINES!

Sorry for the delay in getting it to you…enjoy!

https://therealnormalpodcast.buzzsprout.com/

214541 ▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 1, #1428 of 2222 🔗

HooRah! Sobering the lads up?

214607 ▶▶▶ THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to James Leary #KBF, #1429 of 2222 🔗

It takes more and more time everyweek! 😂

214529 Hubes, replying to Hubes, 6, #1430 of 2222 🔗

What the fuck is a support bubble

214539 ▶▶ CapLlam, replying to Hubes, 3, #1431 of 2222 🔗

A single adult household can join with one other household to create a bubble so you can socialise with them , stop over and go in each other’s houses with out social distancing.

214540 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Hubes, 5, #1432 of 2222 🔗

A bubble that will listen to you when you are feeling down

214570 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Hubes, 11, #1433 of 2222 🔗

one of those big inflatable things people use for – is it yoga? Pilates? forgive my ignorance. Also I believe women bounce on them hopefully when overdue to give birth.

What it is not is an adequate substitute for a normal life in society

214595 ▶▶ ColoradoGirl, replying to Hubes, 11, #1434 of 2222 🔗

Just one of a long list of phrases I wish I’d never heard.

214544 matt, replying to matt, 45, #1435 of 2222 🔗

I’m just developing a thought here, so bear with me and/or feel free to ignore.

Regardless of motivation, the fundamental problem here is that the idea has taken root that the government can and should take responsibility for managing every situation and that it’s power to do this can be unlimited. It’s a natural extension of the “something must be done!” attitude that has dominated the British political conversation for at least 23 years (I’m inclined to trace it back to Blair, but that may just be my age and my prejudices talking; it could go back further than that).

There’s also the – basically laudable – philosophy that we are each of us responsible for all of those around us and we all have a duty to make sure that society continues to function and to do what we can not to harm others. Love thy neighbour as thyself, and all that. Absolutely nothing wrong with that. But when it’s combined with the idea that the government gets to decide, in detail, how we do that, it becomes a snitch’s charter and a wannabe Blockleiter’s wet dream.

It’s so completely the opposite of my worldview that I struggle to even understand it, let alone to agree with it. But I also think that, if you’d asked almost anybody on the street, even as recently as a year ago “do you think that there are circumstances under which it would be OK for the government to regulate everything about your life, including where you go and who you see and to insist that you leave an official record of every place you visit, at all times?” I’m willing to bet that the answer would have been no.

One question is, how did we get here so quickly? Manufactured fear is part of it, obviously. Benjamin Franklin wasn’t just sneering or making a rhetorical point when he talked about the trade-off between security and liberty; he was speaking from observed experience. I’m sure that some of it is a human tendency to love power, even if it’s only the imagined power of the Facebook mask warrior. Maybe people don’t actually want to think for themselves and are relieved when they don’t have to.

I think a bigger question is: how do we get out? Imagine a world in 6 months’, 12 months’ time when all of these restrictions have gone away and we’re back to actual normal. Not meaning to debate whether that’s going to happen, just a hypothetical scenario. As of now, we will live with the risk forever that a government – any government – can take all of it away again for any reason at all, as long as it can make the perception of threat immediate enough and – more importantly – people will welcome it.

Back in the summer, when things looked like they were opening up again and I hadn’t yet realised that the light at the end of the tunnel was a train coming towards us, I said (here and elsewhere) that the courts were vital, because the real danger was the constitutional precedent that there were circumstances under which a government could incarcerate the population. That’s no less true now, but the chances of the courts striking this down seem to be fizzling and dying. So where do we go? If the judiciary won’t or can’t make this unlawful, then it has to be an act of Parliament. Which seems unlikely. And then, the only real option is to change the attitude of society, so that they respect their own freedoms and value agency over instruction.

214561 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to matt, 13, #1436 of 2222 🔗

Thank you Matt, and you’ve put words to my gut feeling that I’ve been sying here for a few days – that we need very urgently to get out onto the street and talk to people – that our focus of attention needs to be, not what Simon Dolan is doing (extremely important though that is) but mass pushback by us against the indoctrination that is taking hold within ordinary people like us.
That surely is the only method by which Nazism could historically have been stopped, had there been mass pushback in the 1930s.
I feel this so urgently!

The learned helplessness and leaving it to other people, as you say It’s a natural extension of the “something must be done!” attitude that has dominated the British political conversation for at least 23 years (I’m inclined to trace it back to Blair) but also getting free healthcare, I know it reduces me to a fraction of my general intelligence/maturity, we expect someone else to do things but must realise that now it’s our turn. If not us, who?

There’s a long comment from me a few down page along similar lines. What do you think?

214633 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Rosie, 3, #1437 of 2222 🔗

To be frank Rosie, the Nazi situation comes AFTER the depression as it did in Germany. The years of fun and excess disappeared with the crash and hyperinflation. A leader who was talking about a resurgent nation eventually came to power only by direct acts of sabotage and force. It was the complacency of people that led to that situation and then the coercion that lead to the rise of the Nazis.

We have seen the creep of something more akin to Communism in Russia. Where it was all about banding to together against a great despair to help the nation.

214640 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Rosie, 2, #1438 of 2222 🔗

Changing public opinion is fundamenal, and the only route out of this

214646 ▶▶▶▶ Alexei, replying to Julian, 3, #1439 of 2222 🔗

There’s more chance of us all succumbing to Covid Toe.

214681 ▶▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Alexei, #1440 of 2222 🔗

Without a doubt!

214724 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Alexei, 2, #1441 of 2222 🔗

It has already changed since March and continues to do so. What’s your take on what to do to speed up the process of getting out of this mess?

214657 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Julian, #1442 of 2222 🔗

Where is the plan to do that?

214722 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Rosie, 1, #1443 of 2222 🔗

It is already happening bit by bit in myriad ways. Slowly. But gathering momentum.

214660 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Rosie, #1444 of 2222 🔗

Have you seen The Bernician today? The government have admitted in an FOI that they have no proof Covid 19 exists!!!!!

I copied part of the article here earlier…

214680 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Carrie, #1445 of 2222 🔗

If that’s true then all coronavirus legislation is invalid as it specifically states an exact type of coronavirus that it all applies to.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/129/made

“Coronavirus” means the virus known as “Wuhan novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV)”;

214693 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1446 of 2222 🔗

Exactly!

Michael O’Bernicia is planning to serve MPs with summonses next week; he also wants the cabinet and others under house arrest until court cases, in order to prevent them doing more damage!!!

214707 ▶▶▶ Watt, replying to Rosie, #1447 of 2222 🔗

that we need very urgently to get out onto the street and talk to people ‘.
This is definitely a thing. See standupX for local weekly meets. Good to have such a meet in every village square, town, borough and so on. It is so good to immerse in a crowd, all mask free,and all with that mindset we like!

214576 ▶▶ kf99, replying to matt, 7, #1448 of 2222 🔗

Good post. We’re supposed to have all this human rights legislation, but none of it seems to apply. Our governments (plural of course, due to devolution) seem to do what is popular, rather than what is right. I guess that started with Blair, as you say.

214775 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to kf99, 1, #1449 of 2222 🔗

And not having any human rights is popular.
Not with me it bloody isn’t.

214602 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to matt, 3, #1450 of 2222 🔗

Err, yep. Especially agree re the struggling to understand people who want their government to behave like rabid baboons.

214606 ▶▶ Mark, replying to matt, 8, #1451 of 2222 🔗

As of now, we will live with the risk forever that a government – any government – can take all of it away again for any reason at all, as long as it can make the perception of threat immediate enough and – more importantly – people will welcome it.

This has been my concern for some time. Although ending the current panic is the first priority, right behind that is somehow ensuring that it doesn’t end in a way that leaves this open as a policy response again.

That’s not easy, because as you say this is merely the logical conclusion of a cultural trend that has been dominant for decades. I would point to such changes as the imposition of seatbelt wearing by coercion as an early indicator of the direction of travel. In general the willingness to exchange liberty for supposed safety has been very apparent for a century now, starting slow and building speed rapidly in the last few decades.

Publicly funded healthcare has been a driver, along with numerous other social changes and trends.

As you say, it seems unlikely the courts will rule against these powers. I hold out little hope for coming out of this with a genuine recognition of how gratuitously disastrous it has been, and proper recriminations against those responsible. More likely we will see a cover up claiming the measures “averted disaster”, until some half assed vaccine came along to “save us”, and investigations and