2020-10-30

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215427 calchas, replying to calchas, 11, #1 of 2423 🔗

Everybody gets a turn

215844 ▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to calchas, 7, #2 of 2423 🔗

What’s going on? Look here

Empty Test Centres All Over 🇬🇧 HDTV Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLmOWWcjRTg
Why are these places empty? Here’s some video from all over the U.K…

215868 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 14, #3 of 2423 🔗

It’s been on my mind a lot recently – how do we know that all these figures being presented to us – ”cases” – are even genuine? This is a perfect way to manipulate us, to terrify still further the Terminally Terrified. Forget ”false positives” – just the numbers of tests seem to be unimaginably high. I’ve never seen queues either.

216278 ▶▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Banjones, 9, #4 of 2423 🔗

As I’ve mentioned before, and Toby had a section on here where people are getting back positive results for tests they’ve not had, or where they’ve swabbed something other than themselves.

217089 ▶▶▶▶ sam, replying to Banjones, 3, #5 of 2423 🔗

I was invited to get tested by Ipsos Mori and the ONS. If I agreed to be tested weekly for the first four weeks and then monthly for 11 months after that I would receive £50 for the first test and then £25 thereafter.
My question is if I were to test positive the first and 2nd week would that count as two ‘cases’ or one? and so on??
Another hting is that to those students and those who’s jobs ahve been destroyed the money is attaractive. However if everyone refused to get tested then we maybe could get back to work?

217865 ▶▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to sam, #6 of 2423 🔗

IIRC if these tests are done by the same laboratory then it should only count as one case as they SHOULD remove duplicates, more significantly, each test would be counted.
If the tests are done by different laboratories then there could be multiple cases.

215902 ▶▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 8, #7 of 2423 🔗

Looking at this video you can’t help but wonder… not just some false positive cases but some made up cases too maybe?

216276 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 5, #8 of 2423 🔗

It’s been censored. Surprise surprise!

216281 ▶▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #9 of 2423 🔗

Alex Belfield had it in one of his videos, available an hour ago, but now vanished…

217273 ▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Lms23, #10 of 2423 🔗

See Sir Patrick Vaccine’s post – the video is on bitchute

216746 ▶▶▶▶ right2question, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #11 of 2423 🔗

don’t know if it’s the same one/s but same thing on instagram all over the north and south england weird

216392 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 3, #12 of 2423 🔗

Aha!! Just went back to the video. It’s been removed for the usual ”violation” reason.
Now THERE’s a surprise.

216457 ▶▶▶ RichT, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #13 of 2423 🔗

This video has been removed for violating Youtubes terms of service. The ones they will not publish, and invoke to suit their needs. Have you seen their TV advert, it made me swear a lot.

217356 ▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to RichT, 1, #14 of 2423 🔗

Who’s that turd mark zuckerberg to censor anything,

217262 ▶▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #15 of 2423 🔗

It is not the time to hide behind our politeness. IT IS TIME FOR THE TELEGRAPH & SPECATATO TO FIGHT FOR OUR FREEDOM

Empty Test Centres All Over 🇬🇧 HDTV Video
https://www.bitchute.com/video/13rgEeLjPR8Z/
Why are these places empty? Here’s some video from all over the U.K…

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By the way this video was TAKEN DOWN by You Tube
Sir John Oldcastle wrote:

“This video has been removed for violating YouTube terms of service”

There’s a surprise. Nothing that opposes their actions is allowed.
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BY THE WAY
Last 4 days official Covid related deaths going down – 367 -310- 280 – 274

217606 ▶▶▶▶ Maeve, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #16 of 2423 🔗

Still up and running on BitChute. Thank you for sharing this!

217282 ▶▶▶ Steve, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #17 of 2423 🔗

That one quickly fell victim to Google/YouTube’s “fact-checking”! For whatever reason, someone’s pretty sensitive to this sort of revelation. (A close friend of mine reported that he’s driven past the test centre in Redcar five times in the past week and saw no sign of activity.) To add insult to injury, the Times today reports that the army will be called in to man these deserted facilities!

217512 ▶▶▶▶ anon, replying to Steve, 1, #18 of 2423 🔗

that’ll be when they start to put us in the camps then

217545 ▶▶▶ miahoneybee, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #19 of 2423 🔗

Now removed but lucky I saw it before it was. He intends to put up more and more. I hope he does and its seen by more and more until its inevitably removed. If there is nothing to hide then why the hasty removal of anything against the rona propoganda. I think the words crush the opposition comes to mind. The goverment are pressing ahead with the planned agenda regardless and do not seem in the least bit bothered of any criticism. Methinks all protests are planned for too. Where are all these police coming from in such numbers?yes you could only ever find them in McDonalds or costa but not on that scale 😉 😉 😁

215429 JustMe, replying to JustMe, 15, #20 of 2423 🔗

Where are Carl Heneghan, Ivor Cummins and Mike Yeadon? Have they been got at? We need them now more than ever.

215453 ▶▶ Julian, replying to JustMe, 12, #21 of 2423 🔗

What makes you think they have been got at? AFAIK all three have been extraordinarily active.

215846 ▶▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Julian, 14, #22 of 2423 🔗

From Anna Brees yesterday – Dr Mike Yeadon Former CSO & VP Allergy Respiratory Research Pfizer Global R&D 29th Oct 2020
He explains there are no excess deaths – the pandemic is over – the PCR test aren’t accurate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y51GICqL9E

216395 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #23 of 2423 🔗

Brilliant interview! I’ve share it as much as possible. (I don’t ”do” social media!)
I wouldn’t be surprised if that were removed too, along with the Alex Belfield one.

215456 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to JustMe, 9, #24 of 2423 🔗

Heneghan in the Sun as linked in the roundup.

215526 ▶▶ Chestergal, replying to JustMe, 9, #25 of 2423 🔗

All regularly posting on Twitter/YouTube. Michael Yeadon joining Recovery Group.

215594 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to JustMe, 2, #26 of 2423 🔗

I think they all deserve a long holiday

215618 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to PoshPanic, 8, #27 of 2423 🔗

Not yet.

215650 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to JustMe, 3, #28 of 2423 🔗

Ivor is in touch with a group of a few hundred Irish doctors trying to state a case for his analysis to government

I do wonder what they are actually doing though?

215743 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to JustMe, 6, #29 of 2423 🔗

Ivor Cummins was on Richie Allens show a couple of days ago.

215810 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to JustMe, 17, #30 of 2423 🔗

Great interview with Dr Mike Yeadon yesterday with Anna Brees on Youtube. In summary: there have been NO excess deaths from all respiratory illnesses for 4 months now. Many tests are false positives, this would go away in 3 weeks if people stopped rushing for a test. This so called Pandemic was over by the end of Summer. What we have now is a FRAUD. 99.74% of people do not need a vaccine because this is a mild illness for them. https://www.youtube.com/embed/S9vj4UVwnvU

216282 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Suzyv, 6, #31 of 2423 🔗

No one’s rushing for a test at many of the testing centres. According to (censored) video footage, they’re all empty.

216720 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Lms23, 2, #32 of 2423 🔗

I’ve been wondering if these figures are not simply made up.

215823 ▶▶ Mark, replying to JustMe, 3, #33 of 2423 🔗

To add to the mentions of current work by Heneghan and Yeadon,here’s Cummins’ latest, from yesterday;

Oct 29th Crucial Viral Update: European Focus BUT Principles Universal!

They’re all still hard at it.

215871 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to JustMe, 3, #34 of 2423 🔗

Ivor Cummins just presented a very interesting video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq3AaceihtI&t=727s

216061 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to JustMe, 2, #35 of 2423 🔗

We all need to work all day long as well, doing all that we can in whatever way we can. Best to team up into little groups and networks of friends.

216755 ▶▶▶ right2question, replying to Rosie, 1, #36 of 2423 🔗

i agree strongly that we need to act in whatever ways we can

216569 ▶▶ Olaf Felts, replying to JustMe, 2, #37 of 2423 🔗

Still about and on this site in fact. Anna Brees and Michael re J. Hunt (sic). They have not been got at, censored yes. Anyway it’s not down to them, but all of us. Join Recovery, make those donations, write to MP’s, work at pulling us all together, make your voice heard best you can. Above all keep caring and patient. This is now a pseudo-epidemic and we need to keep asking why? At the heart of this is the PCR test, so do not get tested is a good place to start.

216763 ▶▶▶ right2question, replying to Olaf Felts, #38 of 2423 🔗

i haven’t come across a brees, micael etc nor the Recovery thing i just get addiction groups when i search for that ?

216606 ▶▶ Adam, replying to JustMe, 2, #39 of 2423 🔗

They should be advising the Government not Witty vallance or ferguson

215431 Mabel Cow, #40 of 2423 🔗

Third.

215434 Gman, replying to Gman, 58, #41 of 2423 🔗

Why cant anyone in the government or media realise that Track and Trace will never work no matter how much money you throw at it. The reason is that a decent percentage of the population either don’t want to isolate, cant afford to isolate or don’t want to cause their friends/family to isolate.

On the positive side for us, I see the reduction in contacts traced as an indication that more and more people think this virus is bullshit.

215451 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Gman, 17, #42 of 2423 🔗

Alex Belfied YouTube just put up a 3 minute compilation of empty testing stations.

215461 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to karenovirus, 14, #43 of 2423 🔗

I watched a Twitter video yesterday of empty testing stations staffed by people who didn’t like being filmed and refused to answer any questions.

215466 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #44 of 2423 🔗

Nice work for the Security Guards.

215459 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Gman, 18, #45 of 2423 🔗

Why? Because they are making so much money they dont want to stop the gravy train.

216769 ▶▶▶ right2question, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #46 of 2423 🔗

and i think it’s so very important to understand how much money/power/control this is giving to some people/agencies/etc it’s not just stupidity etc that is needing to be dealt with

215625 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Gman, 23, #47 of 2423 🔗

Track and trace is the rolling out of a control system and has little to do with a virus.

215780 ▶▶ Tking, replying to Gman, 10, #48 of 2423 🔗

The other issue with track and trace is that people use fake details and fake mobile numbers, no one seems to talk about this.

216149 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Tking, 12, #49 of 2423 🔗

…and long may the fakery continue! I have now learnt my phone number off by heart with the last few digits swapped to make it meaningless. The “app” doesn’t seem possible to download on my old mobile, for some reason.

216313 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to RichardJames, 2, #50 of 2423 🔗

I heard a rumour that MPs are visiting a lot of hospitality venues all over the country. MW

216772 ▶▶▶ right2question, replying to Tking, #51 of 2423 🔗

sensible

215437 stewart, replying to stewart, 183, #52 of 2423 🔗

The war against the human immune system

We are currently witnessing a war against the human immune system. It is a war on three fronts.

1. Discredit. In the most recent estimate (by the WHO no less), about 10% of the world population has been infected with the new coronavirus. That is 780 million people. And at the current count 1.2 million people have died from it. That means that in 99.9% of cases the human immune system has dealt with this new coronavirus. And yet, governments and health “experts” around the world claim that the only thing that can save us from this virus is a vaccine. They don’t just claim it, they have reorganised the entire world on that basis. The human immune system is being discredited when it is actually doing all the work and saving practically all of us.

2. Suppression. Not happy with just discrediting our immune systems, governments around the world are taking measures that suppress it. The best thing for our immune systems is low levels of stress, lots of fresh air, sunlight for vitamin D, exercise and good nutrition. What are governments doing? Creating anxiety and panic, forcing people to cover their faces and breath recycled air, confining them, all things that have the worst possible effects on our immune system. In some places, like Spain, adults and children were locked up in their houses for 3 months, unable to leave even to exercise. That is nothing less than an assault on the immune system, the only defence that the people had against the virus.

3. Denial. “Health experts” and “scientists” are revealing how little they know and understand about the human immune system. They know it is complicated and works in many different ways at many different levels. But they don’t know exactly how. And rather than acknowledge and accept what they don’t know, they simply ignore and deny the existence of what they don’t understand well. They can measure antibodies, so they acknowledge it. They know very little about T-cell immunity and are unable to measure its effect. So they recommend policy on the basis that it doesn’t exist, just because they can’t speak authoritatively about what and how much it does. And the same for other types of immunity, such as mucosal immunity in the nose and throat.

The human immune system is the unquestionable hero of the last 8 months. It is actually the ONLY thing that can and does protect us from this virus. These cretinous scientists and public health officials seem to be on a warpath against it, hellbent on outsourcing our immunity to pharmaceutical companies.

Our immune systems are a wonder and they will get the job done.

215470 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to stewart, 26, #53 of 2423 🔗

Wow – a brilliant post!

Our immune systems have evolved over billion years. They are honed to near perfection.

215481 ▶▶ DRW, replying to stewart, 10, #54 of 2423 🔗

Sadly no one believes this anymore.

215535 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to DRW, 21, #55 of 2423 🔗

I do, it’s why I spent so much time in the sunshine when out and about as a key worker during lockdown.
Donald agreed with what my mum (SR Nurse) told me decades ago.

215701 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to DRW, 16, #56 of 2423 🔗

Actually many do believe that.

However, those paid off parties, working to further the Bill Gates vaccine agenda, will of course never be able to see it. This includes the corrupt UK government, Big Pharma, academia, SAGE and the mainstream media.

For a remarkably frank appraisal of flu vaccines see the BMJ link below. God knows how harmful, and likely intentionally so, the Covid-19 vaccines will be.

https://www.bmj.com/content/368/bmj.m626/rr

216585 ▶▶▶▶ RichT, replying to Rowan, 4, #57 of 2423 🔗

I always thought a Vaccine stopped you getting a Virus. I only found out since researching all this Covid nonesense that the so called flu vaccine, does not stop you getting flu.

216776 ▶▶▶▶▶ right2question, replying to RichT, 5, #58 of 2423 🔗

and gives a 35% greater chance of getting coronaviruses

215497 ▶▶ Simon Dutton, replying to stewart, 26, #59 of 2423 🔗

Great stuff. I would add the following – and there is hard science to back it up: we now dwell in a smog of electromagnetic radiation, from mobile phones, cell towers, wi-fi, bluetooth, wireless keyboards, etc., etc. and this adversely affects, principally, calcium metabolism at the cellular level, with consequent weakening of the immune system.

Moreover, white corpuscles are generated in bone marrow in a few localised areas, principally the pelvis, but also the skull. Both of these are typically exposed to intense local radiation from mobile phones, either from the phone being carried in the pocket or when it is applied to the ear.

This is where the 5G ‘conspiracy theorists’ do in fact have a point. Not only will 5G towers be everywhere in the urban environment, but there will be, literally, thousands of 5G satellites in orbit overhead. Even people like me, who eschew wif-fi and carry no phone, will not be able to escape this new and much more dangerous form of pulsed EMF. So yes, our immune system is under attack on that front too.

215538 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Simon Dutton, -14, #60 of 2423 🔗

5G opponents ‘, Simon. No need to do the bad guys’ job for them.

215761 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to JohnB, 8, #61 of 2423 🔗

No you need to engage your critical faculties and avoid falling into the trap of the false dichotomy. Things are not either right-or-wrong. Not either good-or-bad.
There can be a mixture, and other things as well.
Look at the actual facts and don’t reject/accept the whole as a bloc!

216305 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Rosie, -3, #62 of 2423 🔗

Correctly describing people as ‘opponents’ falls into exactly which right/wrong trap, Rosie ?

216409 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to JohnB, #63 of 2423 🔗

You need to catch up on basic facts.

216451 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Rowan, -1, #64 of 2423 🔗

So people tell me. So instead of cryptic bollocks, what exactly do you mean Rowan ?

216502 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to JohnB, #65 of 2423 🔗

You must have sat at the back of the classroom and were unable to keep up, poor thing.

216611 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Rowan, -1, #66 of 2423 🔗

Fuck off. As you seem to be unable to explain yourself.

216650 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to JohnB, -1, #67 of 2423 🔗

Gotcha.

216593 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RichT, replying to JohnB, 1, #68 of 2423 🔗

I think you were saying that we should not call opponents of 5G conspiracy theorists and by doing so we are helping the “bad guys”. If so you have been misunderstood.
I know little about the possible harms of the radiated energy of 5G, but oppose the level of surveillance this tech would allow.

216696 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to RichT, #69 of 2423 🔗

Some of us may have got JohnB all wrong and behind his brusque manner there may be a heart of pure gold.

216827 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Rowan, 1, #70 of 2423 🔗

If you were capable of expressing what exactly you’ve ‘got’, we’d all be a lot wiser.

216822 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to RichT, 2, #71 of 2423 🔗

Ta Rich, figured something had gone astray. I was indeed attempting to communicate what you said.

Goodness only knows what Rowan’s been imbibing.

217093 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ sam, replying to RichT, #72 of 2423 🔗

many 1000’s of papers here on the harms of man made pulsed microwave radaition
http://www.bioinitiative.org

217096 ▶▶▶▶ sam, replying to JohnB, #73 of 2423 🔗

there are lots of studies here about the adverse effects of microwave radiation exposure.
http://www.bioinitiative.org

215545 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Simon Dutton, 6, #74 of 2423 🔗

Great post

216602 ▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to Simon Dutton, #75 of 2423 🔗

70 billion high energy neutrinos pass through every square cm of you every second, I think we should be worried too. Why stop at radio waves?

216663 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to djaustin, 4, #76 of 2423 🔗

Life has been dealing with neutrinos, which are totally natural, since time immemorial. Virtually all neutrinos simply pass through ourselves and have no measurable effect. Besides there’s no practical way of shielding our bodies from neutrinos. Neutrinos are simply a straw man and serve only to deflect attention away from the godawful menace of manmade 5G.

216795 ▶▶▶▶ fgfdgyvhfgiuverbgrtnh, replying to djaustin, #77 of 2423 🔗

The only long wavelength photonic radiation which bothers me is that which has been modulated to carry messages between government bodies. The ONLY way 5G can hurt you is if the cops use it to communicate about how to hunt you down.

P.S. I have hilarious anecdotes about bed-wetters who realised that neutrinos get created by some manmade acitivities too, and the PR representative on the phone who assured those bed-wetters than “I’ve been in touch with our engineers and yes we do make neutrinos as a byproduct, but I assure you that none we make ever get out”

217098 ▶▶▶▶▶ sam, replying to fgfdgyvhfgiuverbgrtnh, #78 of 2423 🔗

lots of studies whoning harm and covered up by the lying media as always
http://www.bioinitiative.org

215507 ▶▶ Basics, replying to stewart, 9, #79 of 2423 🔗

Brilliant writing. Excellent to see thy enemy and to have their method of attavk spelled out so clearly.

2. Supression. Fought by relaxing, switching off. Immersing in other things. Chaneling anger not holding onto it, allow bursts of anger or days but don’t live with it relentlessly. Birds know nothing of what 2020 is or what it means as do many other parts of our world.

Great post Stewart.

215519 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to stewart, 24, #80 of 2423 🔗

Exceptional reasoning! Thank you! I have said from day one of lockdown, “this cannot be about a virus as everything they are telling people to do weekend the immune system”… a month later I realised it WAS an intentional attack on the human immune system. Next came the hideous brainwashing that scientists were “close to finding a vaccine”. Why? FOLLOW THE MONEY!

215558 ▶▶ Jane in France, replying to stewart, 43, #81 of 2423 🔗

How about the French government leaving schools open during the new confinement but insisting that primary school children from the age of six onwards must wear masks? I repeat, children aged six in masks all day. It was bad enough when it was from age eleven. The French government is destroying children’s mental and physical health. Children’s immune systems will never develop properly.

215763 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Jane in France, 15, #82 of 2423 🔗

It actually challenges the definition of a human, when one grows up under such unhuman circumstances.
Why do French parents go along with it?

216002 ▶▶▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Rosie, 6, #83 of 2423 🔗

The French have a funny relationship with medicine and public services in general. I was dating a French girl whilst at university and she told me that if you go to the doctor, the doctor is pretty much obliged in the patient’s expectation to give you some medicine whether your ailment is real or not. She was also critical of me not trusting the state.

216681 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Rosie, 2, #84 of 2423 🔗

The same reason that the great bulk of the UK population submitted to senseless and humiliating government diktats. This is all going to end very badly.

215859 ▶▶▶ watashi, replying to Jane in France, 10, #85 of 2423 🔗

Get the kids out of school. Home educate them. Save their brain cells and mental health.

217100 ▶▶▶ sam, replying to Jane in France, 1, #86 of 2423 🔗

and in Germany a few children ahve dropped dead from having to wear masks all day

217285 ▶▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Jane in France, #87 of 2423 🔗

I’ve just asked my brother in Angers whether this is really being followed.
This link is powerful re the damage masks do to childrens’ development.:
https://www.sott.net/article/442455-German-Neurologist-Warns-Against-Wearing-Facemasks-Oxygen-Deprivation-Causes-Permanent-Neurological-Damage

215668 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to stewart, 8, #88 of 2423 🔗

They did it with food. GM food is a route to patent natural systems.

The human body is just seen as the next logical step.

216454 ▶▶ djaustin, replying to stewart, 1, #89 of 2423 🔗

How’s that working out for HIV?

216579 ▶▶▶ RichT, replying to djaustin, 2, #90 of 2423 🔗

The answer is, we have no idea. No idea about the number of people who were infected with HIV and fought it off.

216774 ▶▶ right2question, replying to stewart, #91 of 2423 🔗

great yesssssssssssssss

216919 ▶▶ KatieMarie, replying to stewart, 2, #92 of 2423 🔗

One is not allowed to have a functional, self-protecting immune system, when one can buy an equivalent from a pharmaceutical company and line its shareholders’ pockets (including MPs’, doctors’ and scientists’).

216965 ▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to stewart, 1, #93 of 2423 🔗

Hello,
for some time I’ve been asking as anyone done any studies on the affects of lockdown on the human body. But your piece shows clearly the war governments are waging against our immunity. As I understand we have many layers of immunity T-cell is like a door man who throws out any intruders to your home before they have any chance of causing any damage. Your last line of defence is antibodies which if overwhelmed can lead to your deaths. This is why the elderly and people with impaired immunity are given flu jabs every winter to boost their antibodies. As you correctly point out if we don’t nurture our immunity we make ourselves vulnerable to every bug going and the fear government is creating is simply shredding out immunity.Lastly I would like to say great piece.

217834 ▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to stewart, #94 of 2423 🔗

Spot on!

215438 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 3, #95 of 2423 🔗

You can even win an award out of this shit.

Reported by the scummy Edinburgh Rag paper.

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/coronavirus-scotland-professor-jason-leitch-19190906

215450 ▶▶ Basics, replying to AnotherSceptic, 6, #96 of 2423 🔗

Srridhar was gifted an awared yesterday. Services to science I kid you not. Makes tge reckoning easier. Those who have done the bidding get awards. Question what service has sridhar achieved? Apart from being one of The Untrusables.

215509 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Basics, 3, #97 of 2423 🔗

Being a Priestess of The Science.

217082 ▶▶▶ alison, replying to Basics, 1, #98 of 2423 🔗

Unbelievable. The woman doesn’t even have an undergrad in science, it’s all basically public policy and public health sociology. Not knocking sociology, but it definitely doesn’t make her a scientist.

215504 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to AnotherSceptic, 4, #99 of 2423 🔗

Can he get back to doing fillings now

215441 calchas, replying to calchas, 25, #100 of 2423 🔗

“If Covid is Doubling Every Nine Days Why Are “Cases” Almost Flat?”
Questions like this make me despair.

The author is assuming that the laws of arithmetic pre-covid still apply.
When they said that everything would change, they meant everything..

….even the laws of arithmetic.

215454 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to calchas, 18, #101 of 2423 🔗

Because they’re making them up. It’s best to ignore them and Carry On Living Your Life.

215482 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Bella Donna, 10, #102 of 2423 🔗

Was Babs Windsor in that one?

215496 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to stefarm, 7, #103 of 2423 🔗

Charles Hawtry played cummings

215502 ▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Basics, 2, #104 of 2423 🔗
215513 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to stefarm, 4, #105 of 2423 🔗

The laugh of sombody who has just sealed the deal to steal all of the lead off the church roof.

216304 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to stefarm, 1, #106 of 2423 🔗

Someone techy should superimpose that over Wancock’s speeches!

216619 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #107 of 2423 🔗

The Hitler film downfall has good parodies maybe there should a parody where Hitler realises Johnson and Hancock are more incompetent then he was

216346 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Bella Donna, #108 of 2423 🔗

You would be right, but they are just not going to let us get on with life. In fact, they think that most of us have already long enough already and they intend to do something about that.

215537 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to calchas, 10, #109 of 2423 🔗

Positive tests aren’t playing ball, therefore they’ve moved onto the magic case-making machines i.e. models.

216420 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #110 of 2423 🔗

You’ve got to admire the creative thinking, that’s being put into maintaining the gargantuan Covid scam. The psychopaths behind it are clearly intent on carrying out their dirty business to the bitter end and without a very large measure of determined resistance we are finished.

215595 ▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to calchas, 5, #111 of 2423 🔗

2 + 2 = 5

215969 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to 6097 Smith W, 1, #112 of 2423 🔗

You been talking to that O’Brien bloke again? 😉

215941 ▶▶ djaustin, replying to calchas, -5, #113 of 2423 🔗

Hospital admissions are doubling. Based on the ONS data one can estimate that between 1-3% of infections seek hospital for symptoms. Of those admitted, about 1/6 die a week later. Deaths are also doubling at the same rate as admissions from a lower baseline. Forget the headline cases data, it is far too confounded to be of use in decision making.

Arithmetic still works, but sadly it’s currently geometric not arithmetic progressions.

216360 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to djaustin, 5, #114 of 2423 🔗

The fact that deaths have been below the five year average for four straight months seems to have escaped the attention of 77th Brigade Maybe you’ll catch up eventually.

216503 ▶▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to Rowan, -1, #115 of 2423 🔗

Week 42 mortality was higher than any previous week in the past 11 years, Expect the same on Tuesday for Week 43.

216573 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to djaustin, 4, #116 of 2423 🔗

But you haven’t adjusted for the extra 6 million people in the country over those 11 years, have you?

Why not?

Hospital mortality was below the five year average for week 42. You don’t mention that.

Why not?

Only 6.4% of deaths in week 42 ‘involved’ covid 19. You don’t mention that.

Why not?

My apologies. Mark Twain refers.

216600 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Tim Bidie, 2, #117 of 2423 🔗

77th Brigade don’t do reality, pushing Government fairy tales is their only role. Poor buggers.

216581 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to djaustin, 3, #118 of 2423 🔗

Cherry picking is a 77th Brigade speciality. However excess mortality this year, such as it is, has been caused by the lockdowns and of course the disgraceful refusal by hospitals to do the job that they get paid for.

217104 ▶▶▶ sam, replying to djaustin, 1, #119 of 2423 🔗

but no one is dying from pneumonia nor flu!

216798 ▶▶ fgfdgyvhfgiuverbgrtnh, replying to calchas, 1, #120 of 2423 🔗

I follow the laws of real arithmetic, not arithmetic modified to suit the preferences of lockdownists (or of Australian pryministers, an older story, search it). The time for obedience is over, the only way now is for everyone to live normally, and show this government that we care as little about their diktats as we do about the silly cough.

215443 JamesDrebin, replying to JamesDrebin, 54, #121 of 2423 🔗

A Pre-emptive COVID-mas Carol

Jingle bells, fear porn sells
SAGE has wet the bed
A deadly plague, with symptoms vague
But so few end up dead, Oh!

Jingle bells, lockdown hells
Protect the NHS
Hands Face Space, test and trace
It’s all a bloody mess!

Splashing out the cash
Rishi’s social spending spree
Borrowed from your kids
In debt eternally (hah, hah, hah!)

Small businesses will fail
As the high street slowly dies
But Amazon and GSK… will surely do alright!

Oooooh….

Jingle bells, “The Science” tells
We all must stay inside
Work from home, and die alone
Ignore big-pharma ties, Oh!

Jingle bells, the whole things smells
With “Build Back Better” pleas
But what the hey, post Christmas day
You’ll beg for distance socially!

😉

215476 ▶▶ Mrs issedoff, replying to JamesDrebin, 10, #122 of 2423 🔗

Great stuff. One to sing around the dinner table all alone on xmas day! (that is for anyone who takes notice of our fascist dictator).

215690 ▶▶ miahoneybee, replying to JamesDrebin, 6, #123 of 2423 🔗

That made me laugh.i am going to learn it and sing loud and proud .. 😉 😊

215733 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to JamesDrebin, 7, #124 of 2423 🔗

No doubt the police will be receiving tip offs about carol singers-I wonder if they’ll follow up?

216007 ▶▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to crimsonpirate, 9, #125 of 2423 🔗

Absolutely, don’t forget we have some very not made up research that shows that singing is basically like pointing a flamethrower at pensioners.

215445 jojo, replying to jojo, 5, #126 of 2423 🔗

From STAT News:
It may be time to reset expectations on when we’ll get a Covid-19 vaccine

Pauses in clinical trials to investigate potential safety issues, a slower-than-expected rate of infections among participants in at least one of the trials, and signals that an expert panel advising the Food and Drug Administration may not be comfortable recommending use of vaccines on very limited safety and efficacy data appear to be adding up to a slippage in the estimates of when vaccine will be ready to be deployed.”

https://www.statnews.com/2020/10/29/it-may-be-time-to-reset-expectations-on-when-well-get-a-covid-19-vaccine/

215449 ▶▶ calchas, replying to jojo, 8, #127 of 2423 🔗

An effective vaccination would bring this to an end.

Not happening!

215472 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to calchas, 18, #128 of 2423 🔗

I’ve been saying this for a while. ‘They’ don’t want a vaccine because it would enable the world to go back to normal. I’m beginning to think more and more that ‘the vaccine’ was just a carrot to get people to accept the ‘new normal’ as a temporary measure.

215480 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Cranmer, 10, #129 of 2423 🔗

Looking at the previous vaccines (there isn’t one) for SARS there is no reason to think the pharma labs can just magic one or several up.

Thinking about the behaviour of governments to pre buy the vaccines with obscene amounts of money is a good way to cement in a national belief in a vaccine. They started producing befire trials began too.

You may be onto sometbing Cranmer.

215532 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Cranmer, 17, #130 of 2423 🔗

The vaccine is coming and the world is never going back to normal unless we push back.
The vaccine is key to the new system of surveillance they are building.Vaccine tied to digital /health passport.Sounds like regular boosters as well.No vaccine no passport no normal life.That is the future and they are quite open about it.
The race is on between the waking up of enough people and the vaccine being available.

215950 ▶▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to Cranmer, -6, #131 of 2423 🔗

A vaccine that reduces morbidity and hospital admissions would be of huge benefit. It may not provide sterile immunity from infection, but presence of some antibodies may serve as an antiviral that lower the rate of progression to COVID19 disease and, subsequently reduce mortality. We shall see.

216318 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to djaustin, 2, #132 of 2423 🔗

Morbidity is a fraction of a percent – and you have to be at death’s door to die of it!

216495 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to Cheezilla, -1, #133 of 2423 🔗

Indeed, but a fraction of a percent of a very large number is still a very large number. An IFR of only 0.2% is 14M additional global deaths.

216709 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to djaustin, 1, #134 of 2423 🔗

Even the 0.2% is based on very dodgy statistics.

217110 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ sam, replying to Rowan, 1, #135 of 2423 🔗

isn’t the death rate 0.06% ?

216808 ▶▶▶▶▶ fgfdgyvhfgiuverbgrtnh, replying to djaustin, -1, #136 of 2423 🔗

Maybe it would be useful even if it couldn’t stop the spread, but that doesn’t mean we have to cower in wait for such a vaccine before restoring normality. Normality needs to be brought back now, if they can even get a vaccine working well enough to that, then we can see if it helps mitigate what is already an endemic disease.

216014 ▶▶▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Cranmer, 4, #137 of 2423 🔗

Makes sense actually – perfect excuse to dole out millions to their mates in pharma with a sly wink that all they need to do is look busy for months and then hand-wringing come next spring when it turns out that the alchemists have sadly failed to create the fabled silver bullet.

216312 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cranmer, 4, #138 of 2423 🔗

I think the vaccine is just another trojan horse for the surveillance agenda.

216624 ▶▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #139 of 2423 🔗

Britain is in crucial need of a written constitution that guarentees sovereignty our rights and limits government power and decentralization

216811 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ fgfdgyvhfgiuverbgrtnh, replying to Adam, 1, #140 of 2423 🔗

And in need of a public willing to enforce this constitution for themselves.

216715 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #141 of 2423 🔗

It will also be a weapon of mass depopulation.

217109 ▶▶▶▶ sam, replying to Cranmer, #142 of 2423 🔗

they are making an mRNA vaccine to change your genes. With it will come the health passport, eventually to morph into the chip.

215463 ▶▶ DRW, replying to jojo, 6, #143 of 2423 🔗

That “Reset” word again…
And how can you scream “second wave” and say not enough infections for even rushed vax testing?

215927 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to jojo, 4, #144 of 2423 🔗

I found this passage in the article linked under “may not be comfortable”:

Jesse Goodman, a former FDA chief scientist who listened to the meeting, concurs with the agency’s concerns. Answers about how well these vaccines work, how long they work, and which work best for which segment of the population will always be clearer if they are generated by randomized controlled trials — the gold standard of clinical trials.

“Let’s say one of these vaccines has, you know, 60% efficacy and another one has 80%. Or one of them, the efficacy waned after four months, and the other lasts a last year. It’s going to benefit people to find that out now rather than three years later from crummy observational data,” Goodman told STAT.

It’s worth bearing in mind that RCTs show no benefit of mask-wearing, and that we’re being forced to cover our faces based on “crummy observational data”.

216385 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to jojo, 2, #145 of 2423 🔗

The trials to date have shown that the Covid-19 vaccines are indeed very dangerous. If they tried to inflict them on the public right now, then people would be dropping like flies and the mass vaccination programs would rapidly come to grinding halt. Clearly they need to reformulate these witches brew vaccines so that people will last out at least a few months before keeling over. This is the real purpose of the current trials and the reason for the delays. You really have to feel sorry for Bill Gates and Big Pharma, as global genocide by vaccination was never going to be as easy as some people might think.

217106 ▶▶ sam, replying to jojo, #146 of 2423 🔗

was that after the volunteer died in the Brazilian trial?

215447 calchas, 21, #147 of 2423 🔗

The statistics for covid obviously make no sense, just as production statistics in the Soviet Union made no sense.

This is because neither of them has to make sense.

In both cases the point is that the people just get with the program.

215448 Bella Donna, 38, #148 of 2423 🔗

Toby we need an Uprising. This drive to impose their will on us must be roundly rebuffed.

215452 Cecil B, 4, #149 of 2423 🔗

The answer to the headline is ‘Their Guilt’

215460 Lydia, replying to Lydia, 57, #150 of 2423 🔗

Tier 3 restrictions in force in my area from today. Sons football club posted that only 1 parent allowed to spectate, track and trace on entering and also we have to wear face masks to enter premises, walk to the pitch side find a spot, take mask off and if we move elsewhere the face mask is to be put back on!

how bloody ridiculous – we’re stood outside FGS!

I despair, I really do. Each morning I wake up thinking I’m going to have a good day and not be to depressed about it all but then something else is thrown at me and I go deeper into depression.

Wake me up when it’s all over 😥 😥

215464 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Lydia, 32, #151 of 2423 🔗

It makes no sense because they’re making it up.

215490 ▶▶▶ Lydia, replying to Bella Donna, 6, #152 of 2423 🔗

no sense whatsoever.

215494 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Bella Donna, 16, #153 of 2423 🔗

This is a strong sign. We know what usual life confusions feel like. We recognise with our gut when there is a contrivance. It not making sense it a sure sign something is contrived.

215471 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Lydia, 14, #154 of 2423 🔗

Same, they never want this to end now.

215479 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Lydia, 12, #155 of 2423 🔗

Keep strong say no, hopefully more parents will follow

215489 ▶▶▶ Lydia, replying to stefarm, 6, #156 of 2423 🔗

we will use our exemption, definitely. I’m not to confident other parents will follow.

215500 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Lydia, 6, #157 of 2423 🔗

I hope you will be pleasantly surprised maybe not this week but in time

215543 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lydia, replying to stefarm, 4, #158 of 2423 🔗

Let’s hope so.

216330 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Lydia, 2, #159 of 2423 🔗

Don’t think about the outcome. Just set the example as often as you can. The rest is up to them.

215527 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to stefarm, 9, #160 of 2423 🔗

Yep, needs ignoring, if only to prove you’re not morons. 🙂

215544 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Lydia, 50, #161 of 2423 🔗

I have developed a severe mask phobia (partly from being aggressively intimidated by a masked policeman on the train) but also because it is confusing trying to understand people whose lips you can’t see move. I grew up amongst Muslim women who covered their faces. It was no easier then to understand. You can’t fully comprehend someone who is speaking when you look at their eyes but see no lips move. I never wear masks obviously but I’ve gone one step further. I now look at the ground and say, “I don’t mean to be rude but I cannot look at your face in a mask when you are trying to speak to me, could you please remove it or find someone who can speak to me without a mask on.” Almost EVERYONE immediately (and often gratefully) removes their mask – as they are allowed to do by law.

215673 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 4, #162 of 2423 🔗

Very good tactic – thanks CNC.

215771 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 12, #163 of 2423 🔗

Thanks – I had a pre-existing phobia, possibly from suddenly and unexpectedly encountering a group of such people at a young age when I’d not even heard of it. The confusion and distress on the faces of the children, unable to distinguish which black image was their own mother stays with me yet, nearly 40 years ago.
…I was already petty vulnerable to such a phobia – one needs to be able to see the whole face to assess what a person will do next, if you are safe or not.

216018 ▶▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 5, #164 of 2423 🔗

I’m far less polite than you – ‘I can’t tell a word you’re saying with that bloody face nappy on!’

216332 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 5, #165 of 2423 🔗

Awesome tactic. Good for you for sticking to your guns too!

216608 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #166 of 2423 🔗

Excellent suggestion. Thanks a lot!!!

215706 ▶▶ alw, replying to Lydia, 10, #167 of 2423 🔗

There is no law requiring you to download track and trace. Also no law re mask. I continue to refuse when asked to do these things and have encountered no problems.

https://www.laworfiction.com/2020/09/face-covering-some-pretend-law/

215711 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Lydia, 15, #168 of 2423 🔗

Exempt. That’s all you need to say. Son is exempt.

Carry in your pocket the guidance printed clearly saying exemptions apply and no need to explain why. A lanyard if you need. Avoid confrontation or let them think this is about having The Masks Debate. Just tell them politely that this is about the guidance they are supposedly following.

We are all looking for something practical to do, to push back. This is a prime opportunity to do that. Do it calmly and in full knowledge that they are legally out of step, and that you are standing up for your son. Feel proud and empowered

215824 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 11, #169 of 2423 🔗

I warmly agree. Compulsory masking is bizarre and wrong, symbolically unbearable. When not at work (I bear in mind a contributor’s post yesterday, talking about his sense that he must comply in order to keep his job), we can ALL refuse to be masked.

215830 ▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Alethea, 17, #170 of 2423 🔗

Print Out & Post?

215848 ▶▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Nessimmersion, 7, #171 of 2423 🔗

I try my best not to mock solo people in masks in cars. I know it’s tempting but they have been subjected to the most intense and appalling barrage of brainwashing. I think the way forward has to be rooted in compassion for all. That’s what I’m asking for.

215943 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 10, #172 of 2423 🔗

Two schools of thought on that
a) Do not mock the afflicted, (unfortunately means they win and are never challenged)
b) Ridicule is one of the most potent weapons against dictators. Ridicule is better if it shames some of the Covidians into not wearing a muzzle as ” people will laugh at me “

216620 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #173 of 2423 🔗

Compassion for the servile will not change them. Compliance with psychopathic government edicts will quite literally be the death of us all

216823 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ fgfdgyvhfgiuverbgrtnh, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #174 of 2423 🔗

Sometiems I wonder if mockery could help break the brainwashing, though finding some way to get them to laugh with you rather than be laughed at would be much more effective and desirable.

216153 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 12, #175 of 2423 🔗

I took a bus journey this morning and was cheered to see that a couple of people were unmasked throughout and a further third pulled their masks off when seated. A small step but a few weeks ago compliance was 100%. The driver wasn’t bothered, he got off at one point to speak to someone inside a shop, I watched through the window, he didn’t put a mask on throughout. The resistance is starting (and we are tier 3 from Monday).

216818 ▶▶ fgfdgyvhfgiuverbgrtnh, replying to Lydia, 1, #176 of 2423 🔗

Break their silly rules, and get other parents to unite with you in doing so. The busy-bodies will back down. The media (sh1tb4gs at the BBC excepted) is screaming in favour of scepticism this time.

217114 ▶▶ sam, replying to Lydia, #177 of 2423 🔗

same here. Can’t you talk to the other parents and refuse to wear the masks? What happend if you’re exempt?

215462 JohnB, 19, #178 of 2423 🔗

Will Jones, ATL, – ‘… the “Great Reset”, apparently unaware that this phrase is much beloved by conspiracy theorists.’.

Ffs Will, it’s their term, from countless nwo-type documents over the past few years.

215465 Adam, replying to Adam, 6, #179 of 2423 🔗

This government must fall and sage needs disbanding now https://www.remove-the-tory-government.org

216835 ▶▶ fgfdgyvhfgiuverbgrtnh, replying to Adam, 2, #180 of 2423 🔗

As a lifelong anti-troy I never thought I’d have to say this, but we also need to be disbanding Labour, The SNP, The Lib Dems… and pretty much every other political party with sitting MPs right now. All of them, with the exception of a very small number of decent MPs scattered across several parties, have been complicit in the recent crimes against humanity.

215467 Rabbit, 7, #181 of 2423 🔗

Nothing mentioned on furlough ending today. Or is it that the replacement scheme is good enough to keep those moving from furlough ticking over?

215468 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 17, #182 of 2423 🔗

Modelling outcomes are not evidence, as every scientifically literate person knows. Yet, Patrick Valance, the government’s senior scientific advisor, said, “the modelling, that’s the data we are looking at”. This was broadcast live.

215523 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Steve Hayes, 17, #183 of 2423 🔗

He’s a proven liar, not having sued Yeadon. Amazed he still has any standing whatsoever.

215924 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #184 of 2423 🔗

In my scientific education, modelling and data were different things. The latter was used to guide, improve and validate (or not) the former. Has the Chief Scientific Adviser forgotten his education?

216169 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Edward, 7, #185 of 2423 🔗

Vallance has repeatedly said things that he must know are false. He is not the only one. Fauci, for example, claims that the only way to immunity is by vaccine, which seems to be set to be the new official “science”. Apparently, “the science” is whatever suits at any particular moment.

216339 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Edward, 3, #186 of 2423 🔗

He’s clearly been paid to forget it.

216771 ▶▶ djaustin, replying to Steve Hayes, #187 of 2423 🔗

The vast majority of analyses, including statistical tests, involve some form of model – even a T-test makes underlying assumption. The challenge is whether a model is appropriate for the purposes, be it estimation or prediction. Fitting a linear regression is modelling. fitting a linear regression to log(admissions) is modelling. Extrapolation based on a model always comes with caveats.

216840 ▶▶ fgfdgyvhfgiuverbgrtnh, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #188 of 2423 🔗

The MODEL is not the F***ing DATA! The Territory is not the F***ing Map! How the hell are those supposed experts to be educated, they clearly weren’t first time around.

217121 ▶▶▶ sam, replying to fgfdgyvhfgiuverbgrtnh, 2, #189 of 2423 🔗

they’re bought and paid for

217119 ▶▶ sam, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #190 of 2423 🔗

he has shares in GSK and worked for them until 3 years ago. Thats all he remembers

215469 Basics, 10, #191 of 2423 🔗

I believe there are not national numbers avaiable for suicides. Yesterday Francis Hoar Retweeted
“London Ambulance Service
·
28 Oct
Sadly, the number of suicide and attempted suicide incidents we attend are increasing.

Our crews now attend an average of 37 suicides or attempted suicides per day, compared to 22 in 2019 and 17 five years ago”

There are 400 comments about the tweet
https://twitter.com/Ldn_Ambulance/status/1321566876732952581?s=20

I believe this is as important as the increase in child head trauma that Great Ormond Street said was up 1500% on their previous 5 year average during this Spring.

215473 Julian, replying to Julian, 31, #192 of 2423 🔗

I have in recent days been speaking to some people I know regarding public transport. All with IQs well above average, all grown adults, professional people, with the ability and means to access information and process it, all to a greater or lesser degree politically engaged, all in pretty good health and not in any at risk category, with varying attitudes to risk within what I would consider a normal range. But they are all, some more, some less, worried about using public transport – but happy to go out to eat, visit people, go to shops, theatre etc.

So what has happened to them? I think they have never thought much about their own mortality, or if they have it has not seemed very real to them. They probably expected to live to a ripe old age and for death to approach slowly, via cancer or something. Suddenly they have been reminded that everyone dies, and that some people can catch an infectious disease without warning a die quickly. It’s an unpleasant thought, and somehow the way they banish it is not with reason or courage but by saying to themselves “I am reducing my risk by avoiding public transport or other crowded places where I might get near strangers”, and if they do that, the boogie man will not get them. It seems strange in some ways, but people are strange.

Mass therapy required. Religion has gone so people look to science and technology to restore their faith and feel that someone is in control. Who knew we were so fragile?

215477 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Julian, 20, #193 of 2423 🔗

The Science is now basically the state religion.

215483 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to DRW, 6, #194 of 2423 🔗

State Juju.

215485 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to DRW, 10, #195 of 2423 🔗

Indeed. Trouble is that real science, which will not pretend every problem can be solved to everyone’s satisfaction, has been replaced by pseudoscience, which is doing a crap job at holding society together. I am not religious and am under no illusions that organised religion was always a force for good, but there was more cohesion arguably.

215499 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Julian, 2, #196 of 2423 🔗

It’s certainly succeeded in generating mass belief. We are an odd minority now.

215508 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to DRW, 4, #197 of 2423 🔗

Yes except that society is quite divided and people are frightened

The worst of all possible worlds

215529 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to DRW, 7, #198 of 2423 🔗

The same believers are living a miserable existence though. Each knows that governments are never to be trusted, they knew a year ago that these politicians are the very scum of the earth. Yet their switch has been flipped and they are left with no option to believe in the leaders. They are unhappy souls indeed.

216352 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Julian, 3, #199 of 2423 🔗

I’d argue that real science has been replaced by egregious propaganda.

215495 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to DRW, 3, #200 of 2423 🔗

Yeah pseudo-science.

216349 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to DRW, #201 of 2423 🔗

I’ve never been religious.

216731 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to DRW, 2, #202 of 2423 🔗

Except it isn’t science.

215518 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Julian, 5, #203 of 2423 🔗

All with IQs well above average, all grown adults, professional people, with the ability and means to access information and process it, all to a greater or lesser degree politically engaged, all in pretty good health and not in any at risk category, with varying attitudes to risk within what I would consider a normal range.

True, but these things do not matter. Laziness, naivety, and government mind control tactics outweigh them.

Though I do think many people’s ability to ‘process information’ is overrated and does not transfer well from one area (e.g. specialism) to another (e.g. public arena malfeasance).

215566 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to JohnB, 3, #204 of 2423 🔗

Indeed, but I think their normal mechanisms even when they generally work well are thrown off by fear of death. I worry about death a lot too, but by the grace of God managed to move on from that by looking at the facts and deciding to live my life.

215912 ▶▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Julian, 16, #205 of 2423 🔗

I just unfriended someone on my blog who was furious German churches are being kept open and saying the worshippers deserve to be locked in and die of covid! I gave her a piece of my mind then deleted her,

216359 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Julian, 3, #206 of 2423 🔗

Good for you. Non-life should be more greatly feared then death.

216445 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Julian, 1, #207 of 2423 🔗

Whenever my wife says she is worried about something, I ask “Will that help ?”. Sometimes I even escape getting a slap.

215560 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Julian, 6, #208 of 2423 🔗

Might I hazard a guess that most of these friends are comfortably WFH ?

215568 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to karenovirus, 7, #209 of 2423 🔗

Yes, I am sure that helps. WFH on full pay, business not affected by crisis (yet).

216846 ▶▶▶▶ fgfdgyvhfgiuverbgrtnh, replying to Julian, #210 of 2423 🔗

The lockdown supporters typicaly work for the state, not for businesses.

215564 ▶▶ jojo, replying to Julian, 17, #211 of 2423 🔗

I avoid public transport nowadays not because of the virus, but because of the mask mandate. Always liked a big train or bus than a small car to travel. Not anymore 🙁

215570 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to jojo, 6, #212 of 2423 🔗

Yup, have bought a car for same reason.

215880 ▶▶▶▶ Commander Jameson, replying to Julian, 8, #213 of 2423 🔗

I have been car free for over 7 years, but am considering buying one, also because of the mask crap.

215929 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to jojo, 5, #214 of 2423 🔗

I haven’t been on a bus since March. I’ve been on trains a few times a month, doing my “loose scarf thing” when I get on but generally finding a quiet seat where I can let it slip, and/or doing some eating and drinking for most of the journey.

215979 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Julian, 5, #215 of 2423 🔗

I think you are asking specifically about public transport: why will these people go to restaurants, shops, private houses, but not use buses and trains?
I think it’s something to do with bodily boundaries and psychical threat. Trains, particularly, are places where we behave almost as if at home – reading, eating, relaxing, often falling asleep, going to the loo, ‘making ourselves comfortable.’ They are almost like hotels, in terms of how we behave in them. But in a hotel we expect the room to show ostentatious signs of having been sanitized before it is offered to us – everything should be fresh and new and changed. The message is: Your body can relax here – all traces of the previous occupant have been expunged.
In restaurants, we also expect a freshly cleaned table; and it’s a less intimate space, as it never involves sleeping. In private houses, we are relying on our friends’ good hygiene – plus we are likely to be less phobic about coming into real or symbolic contact with their bodies, because they aren’t strangers to us.
So people who have been seriously persuaded of the omnipresent threat of contamination by a deadly pathogen are likely to lose their ability to accept the real and symbolic intimacy with strangers that train travel evokes.

215986 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Alethea, 1, #216 of 2423 🔗

Yes, I think there is something in that – close proximity of endless waves of strangers, especially in and around London. It seems to me like it could be symbolic – a deal with fate – I will avoid trains and tubes and buses, but do other things, and I will be OK. Not much based on the actual threat level, just a psychological device to help them cope.

216086 ▶▶ A leaf, replying to Julian, 8, #217 of 2423 🔗

My aunt who is 71 smokes at least 10 cigs a day, has coah beginning and not the slightest bit afraid of lung cancer but paranoidly scared sh.tless of covid.. The reason she is very afraid is that she “won’t be able to breath” …I don’t know if she really even thinks for one second on how people with lung cancer pass away.. and covid death rate is much lower than lung cancer even in her age group.this kind of corrupt and lost logic is the result of mass msm hypnotisation. These people are lost forever and they are the majorty consisting of not only average people but also people with high education etc… I hate the MSM endlessly.

216449 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Julian, 2, #218 of 2423 🔗

To which one of them replied, “how come you know rap lyrics?”.

Ace.

215478 Chips, replying to Chips, 6, #219 of 2423 🔗

I work in a school a few miles from Oxford. I received an email from the head today which said,

“South Oxfordshire remains in Tier 1 for now but we are mindful that a number of colleagues live in Oxford and that as a school community we have regular interactions with the City. For these reasons we are going to recommend that staff and students wear face masks when moving around the school in communal, indoor areas where social distancing is challenging from Monday 2nd November and make it a requirement from Wednesday 4th November. Students and staff with certain medical conditions will be exceptions to this rule and we will support any students who do not have a face mask.”

I know the law for public transport and shops but what recourse do I have when it’s your employer telling you you must wear a mask?

215554 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Chips, 9, #220 of 2423 🔗

Have they done a risk assessment?

Will they be liable for problems poven to be caused by mask-wearing?

215556 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to calchas, 7, #221 of 2423 🔗

Are they insured for any possible liabilities?

215555 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Chips, 16, #222 of 2423 🔗

Teir one is still oppression. Don’t allow anyone to be missing that point. Don’t let any one this normalize. Masks are still not normal nor will they ever be – even for the gingham matched fashionistas it is all abnormal.

216637 ▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Basics, 1, #223 of 2423 🔗

I will meet who I like it is no business of this rogue government of chaos or the clueless uniform goons the police

215645 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Chips, 8, #224 of 2423 🔗

Tell the pillock you can’t wear a mask for health reasons. These reasons are personal & confidential and you expect that to be respected. You may think that line undermines the adoption of a principled position to some extent but that is only in your own mind; you can still share your views and give voice to your opposition to the policy! (If push were to come to shove your health problem is about mask-induced ‘low mood’ which, you fear, may well translate into full-blown depression).
Good luck! AG

215730 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Chips, 10, #225 of 2423 🔗

Mask Dikats

Meanwhile, legally unenforceable demands that people wear face masks at work are becoming increasingly common and should be dealt with in a simple administrative process, using the common law to establish the indisputable facts, which I am in process of drafting a detailed template for.

However, in simple terms, if you are threatened with the sack for refusing to wear a mask, you need to send your employer a Notice of Conditional Acceptance, promising to wear a mask if they provide you with the following:

1. Evidence that masks prevent infection.

2. Evidence that masks don’t cause oxygen deprivation which can lead to seizures.

3. Evidence that breathing in your own carbon dioxide does not cause bacterial infections and respiratory disorders.

4. Evidence that wearing masks does not cause stress and anxiety.

5. Evidence that wearing masks prevented the spread of the Spanish Flu.

6. Evidence that dismissal for not wearing a mask at work would not represent a material breach of the Equality Act, which entitles you to claim compensation for discrimination, as well as unfair dismissal.

7. Evidence that the government lurgy has ever been proven to exist.

8. Evidence that the Coronavirus Act and the regulations which arose out of it are not adjudged to be repugnant and void under the common law.

9. Evidence that it is not a crime ancillary to genocide to collaborate with government policy, which has already resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths in care homes and hospitals.

10. Evidence that the government has not relied upon fraudulent data to frighten the population into fearful compliance with its legally unenforceable diktats.

Potential Damages Claim
Needless to say, they will not be able to provide you with what you ask for, but you will have shown that they are unable to justify their actions, which render them liable for all potential damages caused if they try to dismiss you, as per the common law.

Nevertheless, even if they do, by implementing such a strategy you will have already established the basis to successfully challenge them in an employment tribunal, as they would almost certainly back down before judgment, when faced with the realistic prospect of having to cough up far more in damages than they pay you for your work.

https://www.thebernician.net/summonses-to-be-issued-against-every-criminal-mp/

215845 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #226 of 2423 🔗

Good, please keep us updated, I was asking for a pro forma letter of unlimited liability to be signed by the employer a while back.

215484 steve_w, 5, #227 of 2423 🔗

My take is that SAGE are relying on Imperial modelling worst case. When it proves wrong they will round on Ferguson.

I believe it was proved wrong in about July (when compared to the original Fergsuon paper we should have had about 6 lockdown and releases by now). I expect they tweaked the model to prove the restrictions from July 4 onwards had a greater effect. The current rise is too slow to assume that only 10% of people had it in the first wave

When this current ripple tops out and excess deaths look like a normal winter I expect them to throw Ferguson under a bus.

KCL Covid tracker has about 2.5 million people symptomatic in the peak of the first wave. Add in the 80% asymptomatics gives 10 million. Through the peak this would give about half the country exposed in the first wave. We are close to herd immunity and this second ripple is just mopping up some places that lockdown did affect (furthest from London).

215486 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 2, #228 of 2423 🔗

Your retired police officer is wrong.

The Constabulary can enter any private home at any time for any reason whatsoever, disclosed or undisclosed, valid or invalid, fabricated or plausible, lawful or unlawful.

Resistance to this intrusion or invasion, passive or otherwise, is not to be advised. There is a continuum to state violence and you will lose.

“An Englishman’s home is his castle” is well-worn propaganda, more untrue today than it has ever been.

215501 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Stuart, 13, #229 of 2423 🔗

An Englishman’s home is his prison.

215511 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Stuart, 1, #230 of 2423 🔗

They can, if they are willing to use illegal force.

Resistance will depend on the circumstances, and does not necessarily mean one expects to ‘win’.

It’s yet another thing we have to work out for ourselves – modern phone video cameras help to keep them in line.

215559 ▶▶ hat man, replying to Stuart, 1, #231 of 2423 🔗

So what are warrants for?

215575 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to hat man, 1, #232 of 2423 🔗

Please can you have a look at the forum Hat Man – I’ve asked about Berkshire Sceptics – shout out for you specifically.

215574 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Stuart, 9, #233 of 2423 🔗

Wrong, only if they have warrant or if they reasonably believe an arrestable offence is taking place or that someone is on the premises who is subject to an arrest warrant.

Unless they are Gene Hunt

215800 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 1, #234 of 2423 🔗

They don’t need a warrant in Gulag Wales.

216042 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, 1, #235 of 2423 🔗

I expect they do really Annie but are just being a bunch of hunts.

216852 ▶▶ fgfdgyvhfgiuverbgrtnh, replying to Stuart, #236 of 2423 🔗

The crooks in this government have legalised spies committing any crime they like when in service of the state, state to the copper that you are such a spy and hence can do anything necessary to block his entry into the vital government infrastructure in which more than 6 people are holding a clandestine meeting of national importance.

215488 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, #237 of 2423 🔗

What is the email address to send Toby info?

215510 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Julian, #239 of 2423 🔗

Ta

215492 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 4, #240 of 2423 🔗

https://www.independent.ie/news/grim-toll-of-covid-19-on-our-workforce-ireland-hit-hard-by-job-losses-and-lay-offs-39684833.html

TLDR 6% of the Irish workforce lost their job due to lockdown measures.

In addition, from the article:

“Ireland had the joint highest rate in the EU with Greece with 27pc of the Irish labour force experiencing either temporary lay-offs or reduced working time.”

216381 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #241 of 2423 🔗

Wow. Another mockdown sure makes a lot of sense …..

215498 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 12, #242 of 2423 🔗

Good news. Simon Dolan is back on Twitter. This is the 2nd day of the court case. Looks as if the case even made the DM: Lawyers fo tycoon challenging lockdown blast ‘onerous’ restrictions

“involves a wholesale challenge to some of the most onerous restriction to personal liberty’ imposed since the time of Oliver Cromwell and the English Protectorate in the mid-1600s, ‘if not ever’

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1322111120765845504

215506 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Victoria, 5, #243 of 2423 🔗

Also in the times:
Simon Dolan: Coronavirus lockdown restrictions were unlawful, …..

“Mr Dolan is arguing in a judicial review that the UK’s lockdown rules were among “the most onerous restriction to personal liberty” in almost four centuries”

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1322110604614795265

215515 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Victoria, 8, #244 of 2423 🔗

He’s doing great work but I wouldn’t get any hopes up.

215503 Commander Jameson, replying to Commander Jameson, 6, #245 of 2423 🔗

Let’s have lots of mass testing. Let’s have the false positives. Get that denominator up as high as we can. Because that pushes the fatality rate down.

215521 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Commander Jameson, 7, #246 of 2423 🔗

On Monday, the Vuelta tested approximately seven hundred people. There was not a single positive result. I wonder how the race organisers solved the false positive problem. Any ideas?

215937 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #247 of 2423 🔗

Threw them away?

215540 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Commander Jameson, 5, #248 of 2423 🔗

If only. They only work on the tests, they call it cases. The more cases the more lockdowns

216408 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Commander Jameson, 1, #249 of 2423 🔗

But then they’ll panicmonger using the “case” numbers again.

215505 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 31, #250 of 2423 🔗

If you lock people in their homes and ban them from touching a good range of other human beings (thus preventing them from exposure to enough bacteria and viral particles to keep their immune systems working properly) and force them to cover their faces all day, preventing their own bodies from releasing bacterial and viral particles as they breathe out, then you’re going to have a very, VERY unhealthy population succumbing to viruses (of the human corona variety and all others) and dropping like flies this winter. You can call it “covid”, “corona” or the good old-fashioned name of “cold”. Same difference. If you hijack normal biological needs and processes, you kill people. I think ministers are now fully aware of the facts and terrified of the repercussions when it is finally revealed that their actions directly cost the livelihoods and lives of so many. I think they will do ANYTHING to save their skins. That’s the motivation behind the madness, behind the criminally cruel nonsense destroying so many lives.

215522 ▶▶ DRW, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 14, #251 of 2423 🔗

They deliberately want us unhealthy. Drive up the dodgy numbers to keep it all going.

215512 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 15, #252 of 2423 🔗

Day 2 of our hearing at the Court of Appeal gets underway at 10.30am

215525 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Victoria, 14, #253 of 2423 🔗

I pray that we will see justice, however knowing this country is becoming more like a Banana Republic every day I doubt it. Nevertheless we must never give up nor give in!

215549 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #254 of 2423 🔗

… without the bananas

215802 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to calchas, 3, #255 of 2423 🔗

Bananas ALWAYS test positive.

216412 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to calchas, #256 of 2423 🔗

Fast going bananas

215516 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #257 of 2423 🔗

Matt Hancock’s Twitter: https://twitter.com/MattHancock?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
It’s a hoot, complete with cute dogs, sniffing out the nasty virus, tales of doom from ICL, and heroic Hancock, saving us all. It is an epic for our times.

215547 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #258 of 2423 🔗

The sooner that idiot disappears from our lives the better. I cannot decide if he is the ‘useful idiot’ managed by the puppeteers to drive their Agenda forwards or if he’s a madnan drunk on power.

215596 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Bella Donna, 9, #259 of 2423 🔗

He is just a standard careerist politician. PPE, post-grad Economics, Bank of England, worked as an advisor for Osbourne, elected as an MP, quickly became a minister, subsequently promoted to the Cabinet. In all this, he has always followed the party line, changing only when the party line changed. If Boris Johnson had been anti-lockdown, you can be sure that Hancock would have been. When the official narrative changes, you can be sure Hancock will change his tune.

216082 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #260 of 2423 🔗

If Boris Johnson had been anti-lockdown, you can be sure that Hancock would have been.

Spot on, Steve.

216416 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bella Donna, #261 of 2423 🔗

Both!

216063 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #262 of 2423 🔗

His first tweet there is to distract from the fact that more and more people are beginning to realise this whole thing is a scam. Let’s talk about more hospitals, nurses, cops instead.

Second is a retweet of Whitty retweeting about the (for me anyway) now discredited ONS’s latest Covid numbers. ONS is supposed to/used to produce numbers/statistics based on raw facts. Now we get bullshit like “our modelling this”, “our modelling that”, “we estimate” “modelling suggests”.

And that prick Hunt in the letter to his constituent talks about ‘facts. What a complete prick!

Whole things a sham!

216181 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Ceriain, 3, #263 of 2423 🔗

“The modelling, that’s the data we are looking at.”
Patrick Vallance

216415 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Steve Hayes, #264 of 2423 🔗

With cases rising exponentially , it’s vital we take action to save lives & protect our NHS. Our localised approach is slowing the rate of growth , but everyone has a part to play in defeating Covid.

215517 cs, replying to cs, 2, #265 of 2423 🔗

Look at this from Tim Spector
https://youtu.be/q-SwbhDIdxY

216140 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to cs, 2, #266 of 2423 🔗

“Stay safe”

Jesus wept!

215520 Silke David, 11, #267 of 2423 🔗

The Paris Exodus of the wealthy middle class. Will be interesting to see what it does to +test numbers in Paris and in the country.
Of course the poor still live in overcrowded bad housing and suffer under these draconian measures, maybe even being denied the opportunity to work as the middle class does not need their Paris houses cleaned, or do not go – I wanted to say go to restaurants, but those are closed anyway. I am sure there are other sectors which will be affected by the Exodus.
I cannot blame the people who will rather be in the country, where they will probably not be subjected to stay at home, as there is no police to control it.
The pictures are like a Hollywood disaster movie.

215524 AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 10, #268 of 2423 🔗

Good morning fellow Lockdown Sceptics

We’ve escaped from one of the tier 3 gulags to the Lakes. Not much fun as its pissing down and there are masked sheeple everywhere at all ages in the open air too! We’re fecked!

This has cheered my up though, sent from a mate this am who’s in a French alpine gulag –
https://www.facebook.com/bonaparte/videos/bonaparte-white-noize-music-video/10154749809898684/

Hang in there brave anti Lockdown warriors.

The night is always darkest just before dawn.

215536 ▶▶ DRW, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 6, #269 of 2423 🔗

Dawn? Still feels like evening…

215546 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to DRW, 3, #270 of 2423 🔗

One man’s evening is another man’s dawn, hemishperically speaking.

215654 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Basics, #271 of 2423 🔗

… hemishperically speaking.

You been on the ale, Basics ? 🙂

215807 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to JohnB, 1, #272 of 2423 🔗

Itsh all to do with the rotasssshion of the earth.
Hic.
See you yeshterday morning.

215528 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 14, #273 of 2423 🔗

Friday. Surely a day of drip announcements in the media and a 4pm presser with Johnson to wreck the weekend ?

Re SAGE – how many members of SAGE have been furloughed or had any pay reduction from their policies ?

That’s a FOI that needs to be written. Anyone advise me as to whom I send it to ? PHE ?

Second question. We are all in this together right ? So why is my wife out on furlough at 80% and then when returned to work got paid 70% of her wage ? Well unless that happened to every MP. Every SAGE member and every one in corporate society who supports this policy I don’t see we are in this together at all.

So fairs fair, can everyone and I mean everyone have an 80% Pay for the duration of lockdown ? Or should we just target those who think that policy is “fair” ??

215541 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Leemc23, 10, #274 of 2423 🔗

That’s what I’ve been saying about the disingenuous “we’re all in this together”. We’re not. Some of us will be thrown to the bloody wolves, lying bastards.

215624 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to kh1485, 7, #275 of 2423 🔗

We were “lucky”. Wife Furloughed – 80%. Then the real luck. Her company got her back off Furlough @ 70% pay. Now that’s luck. I’m enjoying looking at my overdrawn bank accounts every month, reminds me of how lucky I am to have credit. What luck :-). Thanks Richy Nutsack.

215542 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Leemc23, 2, #276 of 2423 🔗

I believe the SAGE members volunteer their time – they are not on the Govt payroll. One of the reasons they can say what they like to the media. Obvs the CMOs and CSOs are, but others have their day jobs elsewhere.

215562 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #277 of 2423 🔗

Sorry Leemc – I see what you mean now. It’s exactly whether their day jobs were affected. My point irrelevant.

215615 ▶▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Charlie Blue, #278 of 2423 🔗

Cool buddy. Cheers for confirming

215613 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #279 of 2423 🔗

I recognise they don’t get paid by SAGE, but someone is paying them
And the point remains. How much have they been affected by the policy they have encouraged to be implemented ?

215548 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 9, #280 of 2423 🔗

Reply to myself. New policy

Your employer, on behalf of the Gov writes to you and gives you an opt in and opt out.

If you wish to support a second lockdown please tick the box below. We will then adjust your salary to 80% for the duration of any implemented measures.

If you do not wish to support a second lockdown and wish to allow society to operate in the same state as February 2020 and previous please tick the box below. You will retain your 100% salary.

You can do similar with benefits or any payment process, easy to do. Could be up and running in a few weeks and we would have a clear direction. If you opt to lockdown then you can operate this way yourselves. If you opt not to then away you go, get on with life.

215565 ▶▶ matt, replying to Leemc23, 6, #281 of 2423 🔗

Has a press briefing been announced? I’d be surprised if we got one today, because I’m pretty sure Bozo likes to knock off early for the weekend.

215612 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to matt, 4, #282 of 2423 🔗

He’s adopted a bit of a Friday theme. Photo opp in a shop in a face rag (despite having already had Covid) springs to mind.

215634 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to matt, 3, #283 of 2423 🔗

I think they would have leaked it a couple of days ago if he was going to do that. I might be wrong, but I expect that if they about to implement a second lockdown for England it will be announced next week.

215530 Suburbian, replying to Suburbian, 39, #284 of 2423 🔗

Was in Heathrow on Monday. The mask is falling, literally. We refused to wear one. Not a word said by anyone. On the BA flight we said we were exempt and nothing said past that. Many more people in the terminal were unmasked than in September. Many people had a mask over 1 ear, on their chin, or in their hands but not on. A fair few Heathrow staff had theirs off. It’s a start

215539 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Suburbian, 15, #285 of 2423 🔗

Very encouraging!

215809 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Charlie Blue, 6, #286 of 2423 🔗

Hope it flies from here.

215953 ▶▶ sam, replying to Suburbian, 3, #287 of 2423 🔗

wow! this is so encouraging i was ready to forge any documents saying had a vaccine
for when travel if they made you have that travel passport thing .not getting a vaccine never had a flu shot , never will . and no way do i want to wear a mask on a plane or train[ or anywhere ]

and anyone see the interview with tony roman no masks allowed restaruant, basilicos in california? inspiring ! a real hero

215550 VickyA, 3, #288 of 2423 🔗

I’ve just read the following on the Bernican website which was posted yesterday having been directed there by an American (alternative) news site

COVID-1984 FOI Request | UK Government Admits Virus Doesn’t Exist
He has been serving notices on MPs also.

Is this significant? Does anyone have any more info on this? Possibly info has been posted but I can’t say I noticed it?

215551 Sarigan, 4, #289 of 2423 🔗

Dr Laurence Gerlis on Talk Radio just now is firmly on our side. Worth a listen back.

215552 chaos, replying to chaos, 9, #290 of 2423 🔗

Make sure you read this. I know this because of the county lines drug dealing I had next door. If the police come to your door during Christmas Lockdown (let’s not kid ourselves it isn’t going to happen) do not answer the door and do not answer their questions. Close the curtains if there are more than 6 of you. Faced with the dilemna of making a mistake and the bad press it would generate.. the police will back off and go and respond to ‘crime’ elsewhere.

In general the police do not have the right to enter a person’s house or other private premises without their permission. However, they can enter without a warrant:

  • when in close pursuit of someone the police believe has committed, or attempted to commit, a serious crime, or
  • to sort out a disturbance, or
  • if they hear cries for help or of distress, or
  • to enforce an arrest warrant, or
  • if invited in freely by the occupant, or
  • under various statutes which give the police powers of entry (not necessarily by force) into a number of different kinds of premises.

Due to the Corona Act and misue of the Public Health Act the last point above can supposedly now include gatherings but it is a risky area for the police. The police will not push this unless they can see lots of people. Close the curtains. Don’t answer the door. If you answer the door deny everything, keep it short, deny entry, say goodbye, close the door. Don’t engage in long conversations.

215569 ▶▶ CGL, replying to chaos, 5, #291 of 2423 🔗

“if invited in freely by the occupant” – I thought that was just vampires?

215610 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to CGL, 6, #292 of 2423 🔗

Same is true of TV license people. The majority of those prosecuted by The BBC (Capita et al) goons are young single mums who immediately buckle and confess their ‘crime’ rather than stay schtum and close the door. People are far too compliant when faced with ‘authority’.

Unless you are being detained (arrested) the police have no power to enter your home. And contrary to what the retired policeman said in the article above, you don’t even have to give your name and details unless you are being detained or you are in a vehicle.

215616 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to chaos, 6, #293 of 2423 🔗

I would suggest anyone answering the door to the police films them on their mobile phone. The police have body cams and film you, so make sure you have evidence of any bullying, lying and harassment which now sadly seems to be standard practice in some areas of the country (Met police).

Its very worrying when you are frighted of the police arresting you and possibly lying to try to get you put on the mental health register just for living what would be considered a normal law abiding life back in February.

217176 ▶▶ ajb97b, replying to chaos, #294 of 2423 🔗

Thanks Chaos
Keep it coming, and stay strong!
We need your great contributions

215553 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 7, #295 of 2423 🔗

“ “The Sage scenario assumes 66% of people with Covid showing symptoms”

What the HELL???
How many of those students testing positive (I’m assuming “with covid” really means “testing positive for covid”) developed symptoms? Or has everyone forgotten about them now? Come to think of it, has anyone checked on them? They may all have starved to death in there. (If so, the government can list them as covid deaths! Whoopee!)

215578 ▶▶ RickH, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 11, #296 of 2423 🔗

The whole narrative is now so distorted by fictions about what constitutes illness or real infection that rhyme and reason have long ago flown.

215589 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #297 of 2423 🔗

If they have no symptoms, then these aren’t officially “cases”

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/926410/Understanding_Cycle_Threshold__Ct__in_SARS-CoV-2_RT-PCR_.pdf

A single Ct value in the absence of clinical context cannot be relied upon for decision making about a person’s infectivity.

216863 ▶▶ fgfdgyvhfgiuverbgrtnh, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #298 of 2423 🔗

We know from the REAL DATA that about 86% of people get an asymptomatic infection.

215563 yohodi, replying to yohodi, 13, #299 of 2423 🔗

We are at war, a psychological war, HMG/Sage v The people. -coersive control, it’s subtle and very cunning.. It’s surreal, slightly out of kilter…it feels normal but it ain’t, clever stuff.

215584 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to yohodi, 4, #300 of 2423 🔗

Absolutely. The people are vastly outgunned and largely unaware who the enemy is. Are there really still people who think that life feels normal, though?

216464 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to yohodi, #301 of 2423 🔗

Normal?

215567 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 41, #302 of 2423 🔗

Lots more people coming into the shop maskless.

Observation: those that do wear masks look thoroughly miserable, those that don’t, look hale, hearty and as happy as they can be during this shit show.

215580 ▶▶ matt, replying to kh1485, 19, #303 of 2423 🔗

I’ve been in Gloucestershire for the week. really noticeable difference compared to London. Absolutely nobody has batted an eyelid seeing me maskless. Compliance is pretty high, but nowhere near London nearly-100% levels. London is lost – I’m moving to the provinces.

215722 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to matt, 6, #304 of 2423 🔗

I live in London and you see very few masks where I live. In fact on Wednesday went into a local Tesco Metro and all the staff were maskless.

215752 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to matt, 3, #305 of 2423 🔗

Well I’d suggest making it small town or rural provinces. Sheffield is pretty much 100% masked, at least indoors in public, and on my side of town (the middle class side).

215777 ▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Mark, 7, #306 of 2423 🔗

We live in a Merseyside town, shop at Morrison’s, WH Smiths, The Range , Wilkos the local Post Office Grocers, Holland and Barrett, me and the missus have never worn the things and have had no probs. and friendly banter with staff.

216290 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to David Grimbleby, 3, #307 of 2423 🔗

I tend to avoid shopping anyway, but I think I can honestly say that in all my trips into public indoor spaces (shops, bank, post office) over the past few weeks, I’ve only very rarely seen anyone unmasked apart from myself. Never more than one other at a time. And there are a fair few real morons actually wearing masks outside as well.

215827 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to matt, 5, #308 of 2423 🔗

Prices coming down in the People’s Republic of Saffron Walden!

215605 ▶▶ calchas, replying to kh1485, 18, #309 of 2423 🔗

“those that do wear masks look thoroughly miserable,”

If I were a brainless, conformist moron I wouldn’t be too happy either.

215712 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to calchas, 13, #310 of 2423 🔗

Totally agree. You’d think though, bearing in mind their status as the saviours of mankind, they’d look a bit more cheerful about it!

215813 ▶▶ annie, replying to kh1485, 7, #311 of 2423 🔗

Good news, kh!
Your courage and your smiles are an army in themselves.

215964 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to kh1485, 3, #312 of 2423 🔗

They are brave. I find it quite nerve-wracking.

215976 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Ovis, 4, #313 of 2423 🔗

The more you do it, the easier (and more beneficial) it gets !

216467 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to JohnB, 2, #314 of 2423 🔗

I don’t even think about it now.

215572 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 35, #315 of 2423 🔗

Jet2 boss seems to be a sceptic

Jet2 boss likens holidays to ‘prison’ in withering attack on Covid approach

Asked what consumers want in an era of Covid, the Jet2 Chief Executive said: “They want things to be like they used to be.”

‘People don’t want a new normal – they want the old normal back’

“People continually talk about the new normal. Well, they don’t want a new normal they want the old normal back,” he said.

215817 ▶▶ annie, replying to Sarigan, 5, #316 of 2423 🔗

He joins my roll of honour. AndI’ll book with him.

215573 RickH, replying to RickH, 7, #317 of 2423 🔗

I’m puzzled about the item on 2018 :

It was the worst winter on record for more than 40 years,”

Looking at the winter-spring period of 2017-2018, it was far from that. Actually the worst (in terms of population adjusted mortality) since 2003-4, and every year from then back to 1993/4 had higher mortality. (ONS weekly figures).

What we may have here is a classic press distortion of taking a short and untypical period of high mortality and using the term ‘excess deaths’

215600 ▶▶ calchas, replying to RickH, 2, #318 of 2423 🔗

Exactly-most look only at the last 5 years to gauge excess mortality.

215762 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to RickH, 1, #319 of 2423 🔗

It was the worst winter on record for more than 40 years,”
Was this not a comment about the weather rather than the mortality stats. – just setting the scene? Should perhaps have put ‘ since 1963 ‘ AG

216475 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, #320 of 2423 🔗

2017/18 was nowhere near as cold as 1983/4.

It hasn’t got much below zero in my part of the world for a couple of decades.

215576 PoshPanic, 18, #321 of 2423 🔗

Suggestion for students wanting a halloween party:
Make it a truncheon party, all dress as TSG officers and when plod arrives, they’ll be so scared they’ll go back to harassing old people going into the co-op.

215579 Basics, replying to Basics, 4, #322 of 2423 🔗

You know the man who should have been locked up long ago? This…

Tony Blair Institute
@InstituteGC
· 9 May
Our teams are now embedded in governments around the world, helping them to keep their people safe during this pandemic – not just in respect of Covid-19 itself but also the political and economic collateral damage.

Watch Tony Blair’s update on our response to #COVID19 👇

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1322118940210987008?s=20

215585 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Basics, 5, #323 of 2423 🔗

So the blair istitute is meddling in nation governance around the world, and not even as covid emergency ‘aid’.

215598 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Basics, 6, #324 of 2423 🔗

“Our teams are now embedded in governments around the world”

Says it all.

215935 ▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to calchas, 2, #325 of 2423 🔗

This could be flannel – an advertising puff.

Anything that man says, I believe the opposite.

216479 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Basics, #326 of 2423 🔗

“embedded” is a very sinister word in any context but this one is downright scary.

215582 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 5, #327 of 2423 🔗

I know we have said this in the past but I do think the US election will be a change in this. Maybe not a complete break but a kick in another direction. It seems like a boiling off event that has its hooks in the world economy.

Whether the aftermath will be good or bad…

216483 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to mhcp, #328 of 2423 🔗

It will be a long slog. The so-called democrats have declared exactly how they’re going to drag it out for months.

215583 calchas, 7, #329 of 2423 🔗

https://euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/

Euromomo doesn’t seem to have got the memo that there’s supposed to be a pandemic going on, and tht we all have to lock down.

They’re just a bunch of grey boring statisticians lacking in imagination.

Stats nerds – thank God hardly anybody checks them

215586 AidanR, replying to AidanR, 2, #330 of 2423 🔗

I’m calling it now, let’s come back in 6 months time to see if I was right:

‘Recovery’ is a trojan horse for prog-left takeover of the inevitable momentum against the C19 othodoxy. Credentialed people who have hitherto been ‘on our side’ will come to regret involving themselves with it.

215593 ▶▶ calchas, replying to AidanR, 1, #331 of 2423 🔗

Got a nice write-up in ‘The Guardian’

216487 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to calchas, #332 of 2423 🔗

Spotted that yesterday. Tends to make one somewhat circumspect!

215599 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to AidanR, 1, #333 of 2423 🔗

Sigh

215601 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to AidanR, #334 of 2423 🔗

Of course you might be right, but are you going to share what leads you to that conclusion?

215632 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #335 of 2423 🔗

It’s not a conclusion, it’s a gut feeling. I’m going to do some more digging.

Do you not find it strange that their website has no ‘who we are’ or ‘about us’ section?

The write up here yesterday listed a cast of characters that has ‘under the control of the diversity and inclusion council’ written all over it.

“The organisation is led by a group of co-founders from health, academia, business, youth work, sports, and the arts,” – Academia, youth work and the arts jumped out at me, riddled as they are with barminess.

“Trupti Patel (President of the Hindu Forum of Britain)” – why is this important?

“Kerry O’Brien, CEO of the Youth Urban Arts Foundation” – why?

It just seems like a coalition of do-gooders whose living is made out of grants from the state (i.e. our pockets) and out of lobbying for special privileges for their own group.

I’m going to do more digging and you should too.

Here’s a link to the Companies House page about the parent company.

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/12903785/officers

215659 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to AidanR, 4, #336 of 2423 🔗

OK, I found it and took a look.

I think it is generally to be wecomed that they have a variety of people.

I would say that it is a good step in the right direction.

I’m guessing they think the boundaries of debate can’t be pushed too far, too soon.

We’ll keep an eye on ’em.

215717 ▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to calchas, #337 of 2423 🔗

Quite right.

I may be wrong and it may all be positive and above board. Indeed while it may be that today, any successful organisation in the social sphere will attract those who would use it for their own ends and in doing so, destroy it.

I just think there are early signs that it will be susceptible to a takeover by undesirables.

215666 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to AidanR, 2, #338 of 2423 🔗

I wasn’t dismissing you Aidan, just interested in your perspective. I did have a look at the Companies House listing yesterday because, like you, I am uneasy that there is a lack of transparency on the website about who is behind it.

If do-gooders want to do good by fighting back against this fiasco, then I’m all in favour of it. I don’t think it matters very much who raises their head about the parapet first – or how large their sphere of influence is – because it encourages others to do likewise.

215710 ▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Charlie Blue, #339 of 2423 🔗

If doing good is the outcome then I’m all in favour of it.

Nevertheless and I’m old and cynical enough to have seen this all before.

The left have a long and illustrious history of hijacking good causes to further their own political aims and line their own pockets. People who have ethnic/gender/LGBT hobby horses are frequent scouting parties for wider entryism.

However, I’ve looked at the people listed at companies house and I only have one potential red flag.

What’s just as interesting is the people who are said to be involved, but are not listed as stakeholders – this could be for a variety of reasons, some good, some bad.

If you give money to them or hitch your wagon to their, do so with your eyes open is all.

215768 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sceptical Lefty, replying to AidanR, 6, #340 of 2423 🔗

Not all opponents of current measures are right wing.

215946 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Sceptical Lefty, 9, #341 of 2423 🔗

Of course they are not .The people on this site who continue to turn everything into a left /right split need their heads examining .Sunetra Gupta has been one of our most ardent sceptics since day one and the best the Guardian could throw at her was the fact that she spoke alongside some Conservative leaning other sceptics .Anyone who thinks S Gupta is right wing are insane ,she is one of the most liberal bleeding hearts there is .Her first thought when lockdown happen was the poor in the third world of India and Africa . We need everyone together on this not the half the country one identifies with politically .So come on sceptics put the politics of the playground behind us and march in unity as one towards our liberation .

216707 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to wat tyler, 1, #342 of 2423 🔗

Agreed…we all need each other as there are not enough of us against the COVID nazis.

215890 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to AidanR, 4, #343 of 2423 🔗

What was the red flag from the Companies House data?

I did look for something on the website that showed who was “in charge” and found nothing, and I sent them a message saying among other things that they ought to publicise it more.

You may be right about how it could end up, but right now we need all the help we can get and making it a very mainstream, diverse, partly left-wing, box-ticking group at least in name if not in reality, makes it harder to attack. If you look at some of the people who have spoken against this nonsense and you look at the basis on which they are attacked by MSM and pro-lockdown people, the “smears” are partly conspiracy theorist stuff and partly that they are “far right” – Hitchens, Toby Young are attacked for being libertarians, eugenicists, euthanists, Dolan is attacked for being rich and living in Monaco, others in business are attacked for putting profit before people. All unjust and silly of course, but it sticks.

I suppose one worry is that Recovery becomes the “leading” anti lockdown movement and the government “deals” with them by making concessions that further other agendas and pays only lip service to really ending this nonsense. When I wrote to them, I did point out that the “5 demands” are a bit vague and could be weaselled around – stuff like “have a proper debate about how we deal with covid” – we know what the only sensible answer is, but the danger is they compromise too much. I would rather have seen them say straight out that masks and all the other restrictions are obviously futile and damaging and must end NOW. But that’s harder to sell.

Hard to know how much to compromise, and when.

216491 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to AidanR, #344 of 2423 🔗

I was a lot less enthusiastic once I’d looked at their website – without further digging.

215603 ▶▶ Julian, replying to AidanR, 6, #345 of 2423 🔗

What makes you think that?

What are the dangers and the downsides, for lockdown scepticism?

Of course some here are prog-left.

I think they are allies and should be supported. I am almost prepared to sell my soul to the devil to get out of this.

Anyway, Sumption is involved and he is close to being a libertarian.

215638 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Julian, #346 of 2423 🔗

Anyone have the website for ‘Recovery’?

Can’t find it.

Thanks in advance.

215646 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Julian, 1, #348 of 2423 🔗

See my reply below. It’s riddled with people whose living depends on extracting money from the government (i.e. us) and lobbying for special privileges.

215748 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to AidanR, #349 of 2423 🔗

You sound a legitimate warning and, as you say, we should go into this with eyes wide open.

My feeling atm is that we are not in a position where we can be choosy, even if this will new problems down the line. Sufficient unto the day…

By the way, your Trump bet is looking better and better.

216893 ▶▶▶▶▶ fgfdgyvhfgiuverbgrtnh, replying to Mark, 1, #350 of 2423 🔗

I actually hope Trump wins. In normal times I would be utterly the other way, I was furious when he got in in 2016, but amid this horrific overreaction to a mild virus I’d hope for a lockdown sceptic president above a pro-lockdown Biden like candidate, regardless of any other details of their policy intentions or personalities. Maybe Trump will make a horrific mess of the world’s future before his second term ends, but not so bad as the mess Biden would make immediately if he goes forth with the lockdownist policies he seems to have.
Hint: American democrat party, if you have a webcrawler reading this, if you want voters to go for you you’ll have to embrace lockdown scepticism, if I were a yank I’d be using the threat of voting for Trump as a way to get you round to lockdown scepticism, and I’d go through with voting his way if you didn’t come round all the way.

216991 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carlo, replying to fgfdgyvhfgiuverbgrtnh, #351 of 2423 🔗

Totally agree we need Trump to win.

217366 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Carlo, #352 of 2423 🔗

And Johnson to be removed from office

217629 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Adam, #353 of 2423 🔗

But not replaced by lockdown worshipping panickers like Starmer or Corbyn.

215893 ▶▶ wat tyler, replying to AidanR, 1, #354 of 2423 🔗

So a new organisation gets started and before it’s off the ground you are rubbishing it .You don’t seem to like some of the people involved and in your mind you think it’s a left wing take over . Sometimes you have to wonder what makes people like you tick ,do you want us to stay in a lockdown forever ? just so you and all the other doom mongers can prove yourselves right ?. All you have to do if you don’t like the Recovery group is simply ignore them and find something else positive to concentrate on that helps in the struggle .

216512 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to wat tyler, #355 of 2423 🔗

I don’t see what’s wrong with voicing reservations, especially if it prompts further research and valuable discussion.

215587 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 1, #356 of 2423 🔗

you probably all know this – swedish realtime data here

https://scb.se/hitta-statistik/statistik-efter-amne/befolkning/befolkningens-sammansattning/befolkningsstatistik/pong/tabell-och-diagram/preliminar-statistik-over-doda/

so that when ‘cases with’ rise – we can tell whether it is dong anything to excess deaths

215590 ▶▶ calchas, replying to steve_w, #357 of 2423 🔗

Sorry but not true,unless I misunderstand you.

Total mortality has to rise too.

215606 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to calchas, 1, #358 of 2423 🔗

i wrote quickly and poorly. the link shows the total all cause daily deaths in sweden from 2015 until a couple of days ago from their ONS. updated in real time. deaths this year so far are a few thousand above 2015-2019 average.

i think total deaths is the best measure. excess deaths is an excess over a baseline – but what is the baseline?

215588 swedenborg, 2, #359 of 2423 🔗

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.10.25.20219063v1.full.pdf

Emergence and spread of a SARS-CoV-2 variant through Europe in the summer of 2020

“The variant was first observed in Spain in June and has been at frequencies above 40% since July. Outside of Spain,the frequency of this variant has increased from very low values prior to 15th July to 40-70% in Switzerland, Ireland, and the United Kingdom in September. It is also prevalent in Norway, Latvia, the Netherlands, and France .This variant rose in frequency in multiple countries, but we have no direct evidence that it spreads faster. The rise in frequency could also be due to epidemiological factors.There are currently no data to evaluate whether this variant affects the severity of the disease.While dominant in somecountries,20A.EU1 has not taken over everywhere and diverse variants of SARS-CoV-2 continue to circulate across Europe”
 Interesting, could be tourist spread from Spain.

215591 Nessimmersion, replying to Nessimmersion, 15, #360 of 2423 🔗

How this panic demic should be treated:

215732 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Nessimmersion, 7, #361 of 2423 🔗

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216145 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Nessimmersion, 6, #362 of 2423 🔗

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216604 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Ceriain, 2, #363 of 2423 🔗

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215592 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 6, #364 of 2423 🔗

https://covexit.com/outpatient-early-treatment-algorithm-for-covid-19-a-webinar-with-dr-peter-a-mccullough/

A very interesting site COVEXIT which is related to treatment of C-19 and especially outpatient treatment. This is a long interview with a doctor explaining early treatment. Rather extra ordinary that Fauci and NIH does not recommend any treatment for C-19 patients as out patients. They only recommend treatment for in hospital patient and naturally, Remdesvir is figuring there all the time as the Big Pharm connection.
It is obvious that treating mild illness would require large studies to show effect but to exclude all out patient treatment 9 mths into the pandemic is a crime. There are many drugs, some even non prescription drugs, which might be useful. NIH is not even discussing out patient treatment for selected patient groups with higher risk for hospitalization. There are now many studies from Brazil and India of various drugs to be used as they have had experience with their large outbreaks. You don’t need to be conspirator minded to think there is something sinister in Fauci’s views of treatment.

215982 ▶▶ djaustin, replying to swedenborg, #365 of 2423 🔗

Remdesivir requires daily IV infusions. Regeneron and Lilly are applying for emergency use in outpatients for their single IV infusion antibodies. Lilly just stopped their inpatient antibody treatment study (ACTIV-3) for lack of effect. Anti virals belong in early treatment outpatient settings. Having the right MEDICINES (rather than drugs) for that is another matter.Remdesivir may be the right drug, but it is not an outpatient medicine.

NIH is not even discussing out patient treatment for selected patient groups

Not sure about that – they are sponsoring studies precisely in this area.

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-clinical-trial-test-antibodies-other-experimental-therapeutics-mild-moderate-covid-19

The decision to first go to hospitalised patients with COVID19 based on pressing clinical need was reasonable. But outpatient studies were started at the same time by pharma and now NIH.

216952 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to djaustin, #366 of 2423 🔗

What you describe are expensive drugs heavily promoted by NIH and Big Pharma. There are many drugs used for other purposes with anti-C19 activity which are more interesting for outpatient treatment. They are cheap, already in the market and often with minor side effect. Drugs like ivermectin,HCQ,famitidin etc. US /NIH has never been interested in such drugs. Studies with these drugs have now been made in India and Brazil. There are several reasons NIHFauci is not interested in cheap drugs. If these would be effective and introduced, then Emergency Authorisation for the vaccines can not be used as there is an effective easy treatment available. Big Pharma has invested so much money in expensive drugs and vaccines that any competition will be stopped if possible.

215597 THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 2, #367 of 2423 🔗

Excellent peice again guys! New podcast out now too!
We talk about Vaccines and Halloween…plus we actually have a good old laugh!
👉 https://therealnormalpodcast.buzzsprout.com/ 👈

215602 SweetBabyCheeses, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 2, #368 of 2423 🔗

I’m not sure when Graham Lowe retired but unfortunately there’s tonnes of reasons that the Police can use to enter and search your home without a search warrant. I imagine that they’d just use S.17.1.e of PACE to “save life or limb” or there’s always Common Law to prevent a Breach of the Peace.

I’m not saying it’s right so downvote this if you like, but I’m just saying there’s no point in giving inaccurate legal advice. Do you really think they have to wait to go to court when it opens and spend hours filling our warrant applications and waiting for a judge, in order to enter a building in an emergency? Obviously not! They just have to justify it afterwards and where there’s a will there’s a way….

215683 ▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 1, #369 of 2423 🔗

My reading of it was that the warrant was required to search your home. The clue is in the title “Search warrant”.

215718 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Pancho the Grey, 1, #370 of 2423 🔗

Includes the right of entry though.

215825 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to JohnB, #371 of 2423 🔗

Only if they have resonable suspicion that you are infected though, no? How will they prove that?

216549 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Carrie, #372 of 2423 🔗

Same way as the high number of “covid cases” come from empty testing stations?

215604 vargas99, replying to vargas99, 4, #373 of 2423 🔗

Regarding: Police Have No Power to Ruin Christmas
“There are certainly no Police and Criminal Evidence (PACE) powers which could conceivably apply. Police can’t possibly obtain warrants for every address they are called to by a Coronastasi snitch and, unless your guests are having major coughing fits, they can’t possibly have reasonable grounds under Schedule 21 either. So my advice is politely to stand your ground, provide your personal details such as name, address and date of birth and refuse to let them in.”

If there are no reasonable grounds for the Police to attempt to enter your property then surely there is no reason to provide your personal details?


215617 ▶▶ John P, replying to vargas99, 2, #374 of 2423 🔗

“unless your guests are having major coughing fits”

They’ll need bloody good listening equipment.

The West Midlands force (I think it was they that said they would enter people’s homes at Christmas) were overreaching. They have no such powers at the present time.

215627 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to John P, 3, #375 of 2423 🔗

Won’t they be too busy looking at shopping trolleys?

215716 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to vargas99, #376 of 2423 🔗

ex-copper, cut him some slack. 🙂

215608 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 4, #377 of 2423 🔗

Great that The Spectator has released the leaked documents from Sage. However someone at the spectator (presumably Fraser!) either cannot write English or cannot do basic maths. Where do they get the idea that 85,000 deaths in the second wave is “about one third more” than have died to date? Current Covid deaths are I think around 45,000. A figure of 85,000 would be over 90% more than the first wave.

215714 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to OKUK, 2, #378 of 2423 🔗

‘with covid’ … ‘from covid’ … ad infinitum.

216147 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to OKUK, 1, #379 of 2423 🔗

I think he’s basing it on the ONS numbers: 60,000+ ‘covid on the death certificate’ bullshit.

As JohnB says, ‘with covid’, etc .

215609 S1722, #380 of 2423 🔗

Have just noticed that Neil Ferguson has an alarming likeness to Daniel Whitehall / Werner Reinhardt, one of the villains from Marvel’s Agents of SHIELD…

215611 John P, replying to John P, 5, #381 of 2423 🔗

“Seems to me there’s an awful lot of people out there with a little finger on some lever of
power who have no intention of letting this crisis go to waste. They’re doing pretty well out of all this chaos, thank you very much. There is, as Dr Mike Yeadon puts it, a lot of convergent opportunism in evidence.”

That’s correct and as I keep on saying. But this is not evidence that covid is a global conspiracy that has been manufactured to implement their ideas.

The green revolution and those wretched electric windmills were in the Conservative Party manifesto! Those that voted Conservative (I didn’t vote at all) only have theimselves to blame for that. Toby. They didn’t need a global pandemic to implement those ideas. The electorate game them a mandate for it!

This from Yeadon’s recent podcast with James Delingpole, 19:30

https://delingpole.podbean.com/e/dr-mike-yeadon/

Yeadon: “In case people think ‘oh is this a conspiracy’, I don’t think so, but I do think that convergent opportunism has happened.”

Delingpole: “I like your phrase ‘convergent opportunism’ and you’re right – if this were a conspiracy it would be the most impressive conspiracy in the world.”

Yeadon: “Quite!”

Delingpole: “Because it would require so many parties to be in cahoots with one another.”

Yeadon: “Impossible.”

Delingpole: “And how would you do that? The idea that has been cynically manufactured by an evil cabal … it’s not a conspiracy, it’s a concatenation of shared interests.”

215622 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to John P, 1, #382 of 2423 🔗

I agree but it’s almost as bad as a conspiracy. We need a new word. “Prospiracy”perhaps.

215653 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to OKUK, 4, #383 of 2423 🔗

There are lots of lovely words in English that no one uses and there’s sure to be one to suit every purpose. May I present “supercherie”. No, not a sex doll designed to resemble Lady Blair. But a word meaning 1) deception, trickery or an instance thereof, and 2) foul play – an instance of taking advantage of weakness

This global catastrophe is a global supercherie.

215660 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #384 of 2423 🔗

If the Blair thing put you off your tea, you can also spell it “superchery”.

215728 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #385 of 2423 🔗

Blair should become obmutescent to avoid well deserved obliquy.

215735 ▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to karenovirus, 2, #386 of 2423 🔗

Dr Johnson, I am anaspeptic, frasmotic, even compunctuous to have caused you such pericombobulations.

215786 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #387 of 2423 🔗

Obloqy (oops)

215812 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to karenovirus, 1, #388 of 2423 🔗

Or obloquy. We’ll have to have a colloquy. But enough of this multiloquy. It’s the weekend.

215837 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #389 of 2423 🔗

Time fir some leisureloquy.

216108 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #390 of 2423 🔗

Are you Stephen Fry?

215820 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #391 of 2423 🔗

It’s French.

215835 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to annie, 2, #392 of 2423 🔗

And BTW, ‘conspiracy’ means literally ‘breathing together’. Which ain’t allowed these days.

216023 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to annie, 1, #393 of 2423 🔗

Oh I am delighted to have this pointed out to me. I should always have known I am a conspirator.

215630 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to John P, 5, #394 of 2423 🔗

For what it’s worth, and without wishing to disparage those who believe in something more orchestrated, I agree with Yeadon

215686 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #395 of 2423 🔗

I like the great cabal reptilian alien illuminati occult, but in all honesty Mike’s probably right.

215708 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to JHuntz, 5, #396 of 2423 🔗

Given that the ‘reptilian aliens’ spell out (frequently) exactly what the agenda is, and the fact they are implementing the same shite worldwide, what specific thing or event would maybe get you to change your mind, JH ?

215774 ▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to JohnB, 2, #397 of 2423 🔗

If the Queen takes off her mask during the Christmas broadcast to reveal the reptilian visage, and says “we’ve got you now, little humans” while her forked tongue flickers, I’ll be on board.

216425 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #398 of 2423 🔗

Serve you right for spoiling Xmas with the tv. 🙂

215799 ▶▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to JohnB, 1, #399 of 2423 🔗

John – I definitely believe to some degree in the agenda 21/ great reset conspiracy. I think Mike’s point regards various interest groups aligning makes most sense.
Dave Icke talks about reptilian aliens i’m just having a bit of fun. Somewhere in the middle is the truth.

216111 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #400 of 2423 🔗

I very much hope he and Delingpole are right, because the alternatives are way too scary for me. I really can’t make my mind up from one day to the next – this whole scenario is still so surreal, I don’t seem to be able to count anything out as yet.

215715 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to John P, 4, #401 of 2423 🔗

One crowd that has concatenated onto lockdown has been Alcohol Concern et al.
The screws are being tightened slowly, part of Nottinghams’ Tier 3+ is no booze off sales beyond 9pm.
Yes I know, it’s just one hour.

They have been waiting to follow their success with the smoking ban (for which the Licenced Trade rolled over) to launch attacks on alcohol drinking and have used lockdown to do it.

216011 ▶▶ wat tyler, replying to John P, 2, #402 of 2423 🔗

Neither Yeadon nor Delingpole believe it’s a conspiracy .Why Will Jones or Toby yesterday want to print this sort of stuff is beyond me .Anything that makes us look like conspiracy theorists will have a negative impact on us ,especially at a moment when are voices are becoming more mainstream .Before people jump on me i would say to the people who fully believe this stuff please put the cause of ending the lockdown first and don’t throw away the progress we are making . As it’s clear what my position is ,i wan’t to say most of the people i am working with don’t agree with me that there is no conspiracy but we have decided to put our differences aside to end lockdown and present are arguments in a way that tactically advances the cause .

216430 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to wat tyler, 1, #403 of 2423 🔗

‘Wat Tyler’ being a warm reassuring middle-of-the-road moniker ? 🙂 🙂

216500 ▶▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to JohnB, #404 of 2423 🔗

Agreeable but always ready to pick up the gun .

216106 ▶▶ CGL, replying to John P, #405 of 2423 🔗

I do love the word concatenate – people are always impressed by it.

216433 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to CGL, #406 of 2423 🔗

also obviate . 🙂

216559 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to John P, #407 of 2423 🔗

Who are all “embedded” in it together?

215614 Basics, replying to Basics, 3, #408 of 2423 🔗

Singapore Halts Dosing of Two Flu Shots After 59 Death in South Korea

https://www.biospace.com/article/singapore-halts-use-of-2-flu-shots-after-59-deaths-in-south-korea/

215655 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Basics, 2, #409 of 2423 🔗

Shocking! Why waited until now?

215619 cs, 2, #410 of 2423 🔗

Cases doubling every 28 days
Cases are not surging.
See Tim Spector of Zoe covid-19 app
https://youtu.be/q-SwbhDIdxY
Troubling facts for SAGE–if they do not get a full lockdown and cases flatten or fall they lose any credibility one might have thought they had,

215620 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #411 of 2423 🔗

R2 news just had item about ‘Which’ consumer group having tested re-usable masks. Apparently, the best ones stop 99% of bacteria . They also rate them on how breathable they are…
We’re saved!
https://www.which.co.uk/reviews/face-masks/article/best-reusable-face-masks-awLeA3A6XoZD

215648 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #412 of 2423 🔗

Sadly, 99% of people will not understand the difference between bacteria and viruses

215671 ▶▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to Sarigan, 1, #413 of 2423 🔗

Sadly it will not stop the media conflating viruses and bacteria. I heard a news report that said unequivocally that they stopped 99% of viruses.

215700 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Pancho the Grey, #414 of 2423 🔗

Do you have a link or reference?

215843 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Pancho the Grey, #415 of 2423 🔗

Just drink Domestos. Kills 99% …

216567 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Pancho the Grey, #416 of 2423 🔗

If Wancock can conflate a virus with a parasite, why not include bacteria?

Inclusivity rules, remember!

216905 ▶▶▶▶▶ fgfdgyvhfgiuverbgrtnh, replying to Cheezilla, #417 of 2423 🔗

I can easily confuse him with any of those three.

215726 ▶▶ c s, replying to Sam Vimes, 4, #418 of 2423 🔗

Yes and the particle sizes used in the test were 3micrometres. Even bacteria are smaller than this at around 1micrometre. While a virus might be 10 or even 100 times smaller than a bacteria. What a pointless test they have carried out

216105 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to c s, #419 of 2423 🔗

I did wonder how they had managed to button it all down, when no other studies ever done had managed to do it!!

216100 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Sam Vimes, #420 of 2423 🔗

I heard this earlier and was going to post, but wanted to wait and hear it again so I could get the wording right.
So it’s bacteria!!!! I thought it said ‘particles containing viruses’ – but I wasn’t sure what that meant. Droplets??

216115 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #421 of 2423 🔗

Which? have been a waste of space for years.

216565 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Sam Vimes, #422 of 2423 🔗

So you wander round the shops with a load of “stopped” bacteria strapped to your breathing holes? Great idea!

215621 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 3, #423 of 2423 🔗

Seems to me that no one bothered defining a test for hate. Is being critical of rapists hate speech? Is saying “all rapists belong in jail” stirring up hatred, and is thus hate speech? Is aiming legitimate criticism at people and groups of people stirring up hatred? Is pointing out things people hate stirring up hatred, and should be illegal? No one bothered defining these things. As always, the massive dickheads in charge of these laws think “Well, hate is obvious. You know it when you see it, right?” They don’t seem to understand that what one group finds hateful, another doesn’t. They don’t seem to understand that what they’re saying is itself hateful.

215649 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 5, #424 of 2423 🔗

They are horrible, hateful sociopaths that would lock up an entire population including children at the drop of a hat. There are very few maniacs that have ever stopped children being educated or playing even. Even Hitler had regard for family life. As Camus explained, there will come a time when you will risk your life for saying 2+2=4

215850 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #425 of 2423 🔗

True.And as he also said, the real question is still whether two and two do, or do not, make four. And as Orwell says through Winston Smith, if you have the freedom to assert that two and two make four, all else follows.

215623 Mayo, replying to Mayo, -19, #426 of 2423 🔗

Yesterday, I posted a comment which generated a lot of responses mostly from people who had clearly missed the point.

So, to those who did actually understand what I was saying – even if you disagreed with me – THANK YOU .

To the rest, let me make it easier for you:

If you argue that lockdowns are not needed because prevalence of the virus is still low and there is no excess mortality – then your argument completely falls apart if the current increasing trend continues indefinitely.

The case against lockdowns needs to be valid regardless of the current level of infections.

I hope this helps.

215629 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Mayo, 1, #427 of 2423 🔗

Which trend would that be?

215643 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to calchas, 3, #428 of 2423 🔗

Probably the ‘exponential’ one imagined by the Chuckle Brothers.

215672 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to RickH, 4, #429 of 2423 🔗

Ah yes, the imaginary trends are spiking horribly. Prof Ferguson can see the plague pits in his mind’s eye. Whitty and Vallance can see the huge consultancy fees that Big Pharma will be paying them after it’s all over
and the vaccine programme is in place. The imagination is humanity’s greatest tool and most damning curse.

215631 ▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to Mayo, 1, #430 of 2423 🔗

“If the current rising trend continues indefinitely.” Can’t argue with that, however you have to leaven that with consideration of whether that is possible let alone likely.

215667 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Pancho the Grey, 1, #431 of 2423 🔗

Yes you can. The population isn’t infinite!

216575 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Pancho the Grey, #432 of 2423 🔗

Increasing trend of what exactly?

216577 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Cheezilla, #433 of 2423 🔗

“cases”

216921 ▶▶▶ fgfdgyvhfgiuverbgrtnh, replying to Pancho the Grey, #434 of 2423 🔗

I’ve heard that if the current trend continues we’l have herd immunity in under two months with even the most pessimistically high threshold guesses, we’d have it sooner or already with more optimistically low threshold values.

215635 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Mayo, 2, #435 of 2423 🔗

What “increasing trends”? Why are Lockdown Ideologues never precise in their language. And can you let us know if you work at Imperial College? You seemed so keen to defend their lunatic predictions before.

215652 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to OKUK, 1, #436 of 2423 🔗

Do these “trends” relate to positive tests, cases, admissions, ICU beds, deaths with Covid or deaths from Covid? Are you referencing normal upward seasonal trends for deaths and respiratory deaths at this time of year? Or are you falsely claiming we are significantly above average excess deaths at this point in time (weekly figures)?

215679 ▶▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to OKUK, #437 of 2423 🔗

Also need to look at all deaths by causes, I.e. total morbidity including excess deaths. Flu and other respiratory deaths are declining whilst Covid related are increasing. What can we deduce from that?

215687 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to OKUK, -8, #438 of 2423 🔗

I have nothing to do with Imperial College. As far as increasing trends are concerned which ones would you like me to address Cases? Hospital admissions? Deaths? All are increasing at between 25% & 40% per week.

Did you support a lockdown in the Spring when infection rate was much faster?

If not – Why not?

Read my comment and stop focusing on irrelevancies. IF IF IF cases AND admissions AND deaths so that excess mortality does exceed the ‘normal’ range (CI 95%) will you still be against lockdown.

215693 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Mayo, 10, #439 of 2423 🔗

I didn’t support a lockdown then because it was clear that lockdown would cause more QALYs lost than taking a Swedish approach.

215698 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 8, #440 of 2423 🔗

and even if lockdown would save more QALYs I wouldn’t support it. Freedom comes at a price. That’s why we fought the Nazis

215749 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to steve_w, 2, #441 of 2423 🔗

I agree now but equally it’s reasonable to expect the NHS would have planned for a pandemic. They didn’t and it was the consequent vulnerability of the NHS that drove us into lockdown.

Another factor is that we moved from voluntary measures to compulsion in the Spring. I was more in support of voluntary measures: advising sports bodies to call off events and advising the public not to attend such events.

216656 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ RichT, replying to OKUK, #442 of 2423 🔗

In fact a pandemic plan very much existed, It was just ignored.
UK Influenza Pandemic Preparedness Strategy 2011
It was even updated to cover Coronaviruses after SARS.
This plan was was supposed to be effective for upto 200,000 deaths.

A couple of interesting points from the plan

1.Facemasks, or surgical masks, are primarily designed to protect the environment from particles expelled by the wearer. If fitted properly, and used and changed in accordance with manufacturers instructions, they provide a physical barrier to large droplets but will not provide full respiratory protection against smaller particles such as aerosols.

2.Although there is a perception that the wearing of facemasks by the public in the community and household setting may be beneficial, there is in fact very little evidence of widespread benefit from their use in this setting. Facemasks must be worn correctly, changed frequently, removed properly, disposed of safely and used in combination with good respiratory, hand, and home hygiene behaviour in order for them to achieve the intended benefit. Research also shows that compliance with these recommended behaviours when wearing facemasks for prolonged periods reduces over time.

215747 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to steve_w, 1, #443 of 2423 🔗

Thanks, Steve . Good Point.

215709 ▶▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to Mayo, 4, #444 of 2423 🔗

Look at the Ivor Cummins video of 29th October where he shows the usual September to December surge in respiratory cases, admissions and deaths in Ireland and UK. This is normal for the time of year.

All the media and government are doing is tagging everything that moves (or fails to move!) as Covid-19……

215740 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Alan P, 1, #445 of 2423 🔗

Exactly and I think deep down Mayo knows it to be true. Aged people who die from respiratory infections have an average of 14 pathogens in their lungs. Covid is just joining the crowd.

215750 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to OKUK, #446 of 2423 🔗

If my memory is correct I’m sure Mike Yeadon mentioned mortality rates in age group 45 to 65 were increasing from strokes, heart attacks, etc where they were tested at some point in hospital, found +ve at some point during admission and therefore counted as a Covid death.

Can anyone confirm?

215744 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Alan P, -1, #447 of 2423 🔗

I watch Ivor’s output regularly. His point about seasonality is fair. So is my point about a possible large increase in cases in a still susceptible.

It might happen it might not but you can’t base an anti lockdown argument on low prevalence NOW.

215790 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Mayo, 5, #448 of 2423 🔗

What do mean “fair”. This isn’t matter of opinion. It’s about facts. There are currently no significant excess deaths either in general or for respiratory diseases.

There is no evidence lockdowns work: Peru, Belgium, Spain and Italy have the highest death rates in the world.

There is no evidence that masks work, though there is evidence they cause harm.

There is no evidence that Ferguson, Edmunds and Michie are credible advisors. There is plenty of evidence that various SAGE advisors have pecuniary interests in talking up the pandemic.

215734 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Mayo, 3, #449 of 2423 🔗

All we need to focus on now is whether there is a significant rise in excess deaths for respiratory diseases. There isn’t. End of story.

We should be pursuing a transition and recovery plan, broadly in line with GBD based but on voluntary shielding where necessary, with full
Support from the state.

What happened in the spring is now irrelevant. I could see the case for a lockdown but only because of the government’s failure to plan for a pandemic. This was an inexplicable failure since it had even been gamed at various conferences. But Hunt and Hancock allowed a situation to develop there was no spare capacity no stockpile of PPE and respirators and no training up of additional ICU staff. As a result the NHS effectively allowed many thousands to die of Covid without hospitalisation. We now know this was because of Imperial College’s fantasy projections.

215773 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to OKUK, -6, #450 of 2423 🔗

All we need to focus on now is whether there is a significant rise in excess deaths for respiratory diseases. There isn’t. .

There isn’t at the moment. That doesn’t mean to say there won’t be.

7 day Rolling average of Covid recorded deaths for the last 3 complete weeks.

Oct 9th 68
Oct 16th 102
Oct 23rd 154

No problem – NOW. But what If that continues (~40% per week increase) for, say, 10 weeks or longer.

This is when your anti lockdown argument falls down.

215795 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Mayo, 2, #451 of 2423 🔗

I understand the point you are making Mayo. If we were to accept that a lockdown might play a part in bringing down death numbers of people with a positive test, then I wonder what would you think that the criteria could be for lifting the lockdown again? How do we escape the ‘kicking the can down the road’ situation?

215944 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #452 of 2423 🔗

But lockdowns don’t bring down death numbers. The experience of Peru, Belgium, Spain, Italy, the UK, USA and France all show lockdowns don’t work.

215940 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Mayo, 3, #453 of 2423 🔗

You’re now switching to Covid deaths. Who cares if Covid deaths are up when flu deaths are down? It is total excess respiratory deaths we really need to keep an eye on.

215656 ▶▶ John P, replying to Mayo, 11, #454 of 2423 🔗

“… then your argument completely falls apart if the current increasing trend continues indefinitely.”

BUT THAT IS NOT POSSIBLE MAYO.

It is not possible because we do not have an infinite population. Even if there was no such thing as herd immunity a point would be reached when there were no more people to infect.

The fact is that not only is there herd immunity, but also by now a substantial percentage of the populace have had the virus and recovered from it. (That does mean that they are immune).

In any event, this makes no difference to my position. Lockdowns are never justified under any circumstance. Ever.

215664 ▶▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to John P, 3, #455 of 2423 🔗

Logic doesn’t appear to figure high in the Mayo brain.

215676 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Pancho the Grey, 2, #456 of 2423 🔗

It’s covid logic – ‘old logic’ was superceded in March.

Everything is now different – just as we were told.

215692 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to calchas, 1, #457 of 2423 🔗

Yes “If my imaginary thoughts were true then it would be true so it must be true.”

How did we get from Galileo to where we are
now with science?

215681 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Pancho the Grey, 3, #458 of 2423 🔗

That’s why I’m thinking he’s got something to do with Imperial College. A low grade computer serf pushing the spreadsheet buttons probably.

215791 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to OKUK, #459 of 2423 🔗

I’ll let you know who I am and what I’ve done in the past and more recently if you’re interested.

I have absolutely nothing to do with Imperial College and I dislike Neil Ferguson.

215705 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Pancho the Grey, -3, #460 of 2423 🔗

What exactly is that supposed to mean?

How is my statement above in BOLD not logical?

I have a background in Mathematics (Hons 2.1). Last night I received an email from a senior academic who expressed interest in my estimate that around 30% of Covid deaths were not in fact due to Covid

I used data, logic and mathematics to reach that conclusion.

Tell me – what exactly have you done?

215765 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Mayo, 4, #461 of 2423 🔗

We’ve listened to sensible experts like Yeadon, Henegan and Gupta, not the fantasists and fearmongers at Imperial College. We’ve applied logic, common sense, personal experience and the lessons of history. We also know this isn’t just about epidemiology and have listened to the wise observations of people like Lord Sumption

215788 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to OKUK, -6, #462 of 2423 🔗

Marks out of 10

Heneghan 9
Gupta 7
Yeadon 4

215952 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Mayo, 3, #463 of 2423 🔗

Marks out of ten:

Ferguson – 0

Edmunds -0

Michie – -3

216059 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to OKUK, -1, #464 of 2423 🔗

I don’t like to play the man, but I am afraid that the good people of Sandwich might dispute Dr Yeadon’s past scientific judgement and track record. Pfizer’s entire respiratory franchise was closed down under his leadership, together with the site and associated loss of jobs (some of whom I know personally). And that drug sold to Novartis ?

By contrast, I have a lot of time for Carl Heneghan, who makes data-driven points that always merit further investigation. He, wisely (given the evidence) has not driven the immunity message.

Sunetra Gupta has contributed nothing substantive and evidence-based to the debate.

216225 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Commander Jameson, replying to djaustin, 1, #465 of 2423 🔗

Pfizer close a site and it’s Yeadon’s fault?

OK, then it’s your fault that GSK are closing Worthing.

216375 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to djaustin, 1, #466 of 2423 🔗

“Pfizer’s entire respiratory franchise was closed down under his leadership, together with the site and associated loss of jobs (some of whom I know personally)”

That is called business. Having been through a redundancy many years ago due to the (US owned) company I then worked for deciding that they no longer wished to be in that line of business, I understand that.

216596 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mayo, #467 of 2423 🔗

Estimate = posh word for guess.

215742 ▶▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Pancho the Grey, #468 of 2423 🔗

He probably thinks that the little hyphen and red colouring against his vote number is something that just indicates it is his own comment.

215789 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to TheBluePill, -2, #469 of 2423 🔗

It indicates that most of those replying don’t understand the basic point.

215975 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Mayo, 2, #470 of 2423 🔗

I cannot see how depriving a population of liberty and quality of life can be justified even if a virus were extremely bad as everyone sufferers not just those who catch the virus and many lives are lost from the lockdown. lockdowns violate our human rights and civil liberties. The only possible justification would be for a very short time if the hospitals were completely overrun but that never happened.

216601 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cheshirecatslave, #471 of 2423 🔗

If the virus were as deadly as they pretend, we’d clearly see its effects and wouldn’t need to be coerced into taking precautionary measures.

216598 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mayo, #472 of 2423 🔗

Doesn’t the fact that this is the second day you’ve filled a very long thread with people trying to understand your point say either something about the point itself, or the way you’ve failed to make it convincingly?

215725 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to John P, -6, #473 of 2423 🔗

It is not possible because we do not have an infinite population. Even if there was no such thing as herd immunity a point would be reached when there were no more people to infect.

I was going to say: Thank you for the lesson from Epidemiomolgy 101. But you’ve even got that wrong.

If there were no such thing as herd immunity then there would ALWAYS be people to infect. I hope you meant “no herd immunity at present”. If you didn’t then you don’t really understand what you’re talking about.

215754 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Mayo, #474 of 2423 🔗

He clearly means herd immunity as a concept that reflects viral reality. The New Scientist now tries to
tells herd immunity is a bogus concept.

215928 ▶▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to Mayo, 2, #475 of 2423 🔗

Not true. It depends on how long personal immunity lasts and how quickly the virus spreads. If immunity only lasts as long as antibodies (i.e. a couple of months) then measures designed to suppress the spread are actually counter-productive because, if they work, they ensure that there will always be people who weren’t exposed first time round. If, however, suppression measures are lifted and people are encouraged to mix then you can get effective community immunity by virtue of everybody having temporary immunity at the same time. Of course, we know that immunity is about more than just antibodies and it has been shown that T-cell immunity for SARS (a reasonable comparison) can last over a decade, so we will get effective community immunity at some point – unless we have any hermits would avoid human contact for years at a time, anyway.

In the end, suppression measures only make sense to buy time to prepare and even then only if everyone is equally at risk of serious illness or death.

215670 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Mayo, 2, #476 of 2423 🔗

Lockdowns are not needed even if the prevalence is high. Because to determine the prevalence you need to have sufficiently precise metrics and you need to have eliminated other conditions during diagnosis. You also need to honestly report what’s going on.

Were lockdowns needed when 50,000 plus people died in Jan 2018?

The problem is your premise.

215738 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to mhcp, -2, #477 of 2423 🔗

WTF are you on about? We don’t need ‘precise metrics’ in the way you think.

I don’t need to know how much water is in a lake to know whether the level of the lake is rising or not and whether it might cause a flood.

You have at least made a reasonable point.

215930 ▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to mhcp, 1, #478 of 2423 🔗

Do we know how the ONS measures prevalence? If they’re just using a PCR test then they’re likely to be overstating it aren’t they?

215674 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Mayo, 6, #479 of 2423 🔗

The lockdown measures were always wrong because they were bound to do more harm than the virus ever could. The government’s lockdown has killed, and is killing, and will continue to kill people. Advocating, never mind implementing, public policy that kills people is a crime against humanity.

215785 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Steve Hayes, -2, #480 of 2423 🔗

By George, I think he’s got it.

Ok – everyone. Steve is the winner. He’s making the valid point that lockdown may cost more lives than it saves.

The fact that we have a low number of cases currently is not a reason to oppose lockdown because the situation may change.

216618 ▶▶▶▶ Kristian Short, replying to Mayo, #481 of 2423 🔗

Smug and enjoys it

215675 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Mayo, 7, #482 of 2423 🔗

You should get a job at SAGE Mayo. Your talents of deduction are wasted on here.

215723 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to JHuntz, 1, #483 of 2423 🔗

Mirth!

215957 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to JHuntz, #484 of 2423 🔗

I don’t know. Would he be prepared to break the rules he demands everyone else follows, as did Ferguson?

215677 ▶▶ merlin, replying to Mayo, 2, #485 of 2423 🔗

I am afraid you shot your own argument down by suggesting the current increasing trend continues indefinitely. I think you need help.

215779 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to merlin, -2, #486 of 2423 🔗

ok lets say

indefinitely = 10 weeks

215959 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Mayo, 1, #487 of 2423 🔗

Yep that sounds like an epidemiologist’s definition.

215694 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Mayo, 5, #488 of 2423 🔗

I hope this helps.

It helps to confirm you’re either deranged, or posting here because it’s your job.

215720 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Mayo, 9, #489 of 2423 🔗

I think the case for lockdowns is almost impossible to make unless the threat to public health is immense and there is some prospect that locking down will slow the spread enough to buy time to find treatments/a vaccine/improve healthcare in some reasonable timeframe. I don’t know where that bar in terms of size of threat is but it would be a lot higher for me than even Ferguson’s prediction. In any case, if the threat were that immense, people would not need to be told to stay away from others, they would just do it.

We then come to how realistic it is that a delay in the spread would be helpful in terms of helping meet the threat. I guess it’s conceivable that measures could be found in some timeframe that wouldn’t do more harm than good to society – I guess that would depend on the kind of infectious agent at play and how it could be dealt with. And this is always supposing that a lockdown would actually delay the spread – very tricky if the agent spreads easily as even a very basic existence requires humans to have some contact.

Given the above, covid was nothing like a big enough threat to ever justify lockdowns.

I think this is the position of most people who post here.

I take your point that if our anti lockdown argument depends on lowish mortality then we may come a cropper if it increases, though the current evidence is that mortality is lowish and will continue to be so – but of course that could change. It’s easier to make the case to non-sceptics if it does remain low, which is why it is tempting to do so.

215822 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Mayo, 8, #490 of 2423 🔗

The public support for lock downs seems linked to the false perception that if they lock down for a bit this nasty virus will just go away, it seems to me that such a a view is naive and incorrect. Lock downs seems to do little more than kick the can down the road a bit, the lock-down in March was much about protecting the NHS and give us time to live with a new virus, well we’ve been there and done that.
I can now see no conceivable case for lock downs, the ones we are having the UK at the moment have no sensible objective, they are like a sluice gate on a river if you close it the river backs up and if you do nothing else it will still come flooding through when you open the gate again.
A densely populated diverse country like the UK cannot now eradicate a virus that likes our winter climate and is now endemic , we have to learn to live with it but we are failing to take the necessary steps to do that whilst we still think we can ‘defeat’ the virus.

215861 ▶▶ matt, replying to Mayo, 2, #491 of 2423 🔗

I agree with your main point and believe that the case against lockdown does stand, regardless of the level of infections. The argument can’t be “people aren’t really getting sick, so we don’t need to do it”, but “it’s a disastrous and unjustifiable policy and even if everyone is going to get sick, we shouldn’t do it anyway.” And, by the way, I think that would stand regardless of the virulence of the virus. It has to: once you concede there is a line, you have to work out where to draw it.

215866 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to matt, #492 of 2423 🔗

Sorry – to add my other point, I also think, though, that you’re seeing in the current data things that aren’t necessarily there and taking too much at face value the numbers as they’re being produced. I don’t question for one minute the idea that infections are actually increasing – unless the virus had vanished completely, that was always likely as we enter the respiratory illness season – but I don’t think the numbers can be read as a second epidemic wave and it also seems clear that there is clear confusion in the way the numbers are reported. Whether this is deliberate or the side effect of misdirected efforts at transparency, it looks to be there.

216013 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Mayo, 1, #493 of 2423 🔗

Lockdowns do more harm than good, so forget trends, lockdowns will never be helpful.

216028 ▶▶ djaustin, replying to Mayo, -1, #494 of 2423 🔗

The strongest prediction for significant immunity is that release of lockdown would lead to continued sustained low levels of new cases, hospitalisations and deaths. Indeed it would also predict that areas with the highest previous infectious burden would have the slowest rate of growth once constraints are relaxed as there are fewer people to spread the infection to.

What we see is the opposite – relaxing constraints leads to an increases in hospital admissions. That increase began earlier in the year than typical influenza, with fastest rates in areas in the lowest Tier (1) and slowing rates in areas in highest Tier (3). I know these are uncomfortable facts (down button below), and the signal is obscured by some frenzy over the testing reliability and positivity of “cases”. But step back, look at the burden of healthcare and the likely consequences.

The hard facts are than a lot more people are being admitted to hospitals in October that met the same diagnostic criteria as they did two months ago. The time for these admissions to double has been about two weeks (less in Tier 1, more in Tier 3). The increase is several months earlier than typically noted for respiratory diseases. The North began from a higher absolute number, but the growth has been quite similar. Nowhere has seen a fall in admissions per day.

Sadly, about 1/6 of these admissions will die. That number is better than it used to be. But before they die they will occupy HDU/ITU beds that would normally be used for routine care. That care will now be suspended until admissions start to stabilise or fall.

There is no evidence from this course of events of the role played by immunity. I wish there were. There is evidence of better management leading to reduced mortality (a huge success). But as the ITUs fill up, younger and younger people will be denied the likely treatment they require and the average age of death will fall. We should be thankful at least, that unlike influenza, there is not the additional significant paediatric burden on healthcare.

216916 ▶▶ fgfdgyvhfgiuverbgrtnh, replying to Mayo, #495 of 2423 🔗

You make a good point actually, here i didn;t see your post yesterday so don’t know what it was. We can make much better antilockdown arguments than “don’t lock down because the virus is still rare”, it definitely has the weakness that if they test more heavily (and get more fale positives) they can make a case to lock down. The best line, I think, is to point out how Sweden, having not locked down, did not have worse death rates than the UK (despite having in many ways a very similar course of the disease), in fact it did rather better per million. Then point out the disasterous costs of lockdown, and how Sweden hasn’t suffered those. What it comes down to in the end is how to use these two key facts to get people en masse not to comply with ministrial totalitarianism.

215626 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #496 of 2423 🔗

Michael Levitt quoted earlier as saying the big difference between Asia and Europe is masks and that Europe is suffering because of the irrational resistance to them. Again I must point out the difference between official policy in Thailand and what people actually do. Photo is by me, blurry because I don’t want to go close and be intrusive – Thailand right now, preparations for sunset exercises and the weekend beach influx beginning. No covid, no masks.

215639 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 8, #497 of 2423 🔗

As I said earlier. Most transmissions occur within close contacts in domestic settings where even south Asian people do not wear masks. The man has just made an silly unchallenged assertion and it does not stack up.

And sorry. Millions of people in Europe are wearing masks and its mandated not optional for the majority too. So he is just wrong. End of.

215665 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Leemc23, 5, #498 of 2423 🔗

Peru -mandatory masks since March

215642 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Leemc23, 1, #500 of 2423 🔗

My dad is on that list. I had no idea.

215688 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #501 of 2423 🔗

<< awaits loads of insider information >>

215644 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Leemc23, 1, #502 of 2423 🔗

Of course there is an ethnicity sub group. Fuck sake even a virus is racist.

215657 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to JHuntz, 2, #503 of 2423 🔗

Hancock said the virus does not discriminate.

215636 Basics, replying to Basics, 3, #504 of 2423 🔗

SARS CoV 2 vaccine trials are rigged.

A reduction of symptoms is classed as a success

https://youtu.be/Wj3ZOS5wjc8
The first story on New World Next Week.

And the full article here
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/10/27/covid-vaccine-trials.aspx
Free but login.

215640 ▶▶ John P, replying to Basics, 3, #505 of 2423 🔗

Vaccines are supposed to confer immunity. They are not designed to reduce symptoms.

215651 ▶▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to John P, 2, #506 of 2423 🔗

You are right John, that is what we have been promised.

215669 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to John P, 2, #507 of 2423 🔗

Exactly. The bar has been set so low you might as well have an intravenous shot of paracetamol instead.

215736 ▶▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 5, #508 of 2423 🔗

I’m looking forward to a subsequent RCT that tests the effectiveness of a super-expensive vaccine against a daily £0.01 vitamin D3 tablet. Then we can test the value for money that our idiot politicians have delivered.

215814 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to TheBluePill, #509 of 2423 🔗

Someone needs to start that trial…

215721 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to John P, 1, #510 of 2423 🔗

Its clearly started in this case reduction of symptoms means they have a winning formula. They had tohave such pointless goals in order to be able to create a superrushed vaccine for a virus that now nothing about and have no hope of being effective against.

215696 ▶▶ VickyA, replying to Basics, 3, #511 of 2423 🔗

ALL vaccine trials are rigged. This is not a new modus operandi!

215637 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #512 of 2423 🔗

“Masks Are a Distraction From the Pandemic Reality

Viruses inevitably spread, and authorities have oversold face coverings as a preventive measure.”

https://www.wsj.com/articles/masks-are-a-distraction-from-the-pandemic-reality-11603927026

215661 ▶▶ Alan P, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #513 of 2423 🔗

Any more heard of the Danish mask study that was waiting to be published?

It all seems to have disappeared from discussion.

215695 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Alan P, #514 of 2423 🔗

Indeed!

216055 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Alan P, #515 of 2423 🔗

Nothing yet. Still looking for a journal to publish it.

215647 Pancho the Grey, replying to Pancho the Grey, 9, #517 of 2423 🔗

Perhaps Hunt could point to which science text book points to the use of consensus as a valid scientific process.

215663 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Pancho the Grey, 5, #518 of 2423 🔗

He’s another PPE graduate!

215704 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 4, #519 of 2423 🔗

Francois Mitterrand famously said that Margaret Thatcher had the eyes of Caligula and lips of Marilyn Monroe. Looking at the picture of Jeremy Hunt he sure has the eyes of Caligula.

215713 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to swedenborg, 4, #520 of 2423 🔗

An old friend, now no longer with us, knew several of the current crop of politicians. He had a special dislike for Mr Hunt.

215772 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to swedenborg, #521 of 2423 🔗

The ex-Hulture secretary, living up to his name. AG

215916 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to swedenborg, #522 of 2423 🔗

What can you say if a man who forgot his wife was Chinese?

215684 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Pancho the Grey, 3, #523 of 2423 🔗

Sometimes I would like to be all-powerful. I’d send Hunt et al to some open space with some basics to start with, and an equivalent group of people who believe in objective reality to an equivalent space, and see who gets on best – those who believe science = consensus and those who like to base it on repeatable experiments.

215689 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Pancho the Grey, 7, #524 of 2423 🔗

Hunt together with Hague and Blair is part of the Moonshot lunacy. The whole concept of track and trace has collapsed in the whole of Europe in the seasonal wave. This is now an endemic virus, unstoppable and we would reach a balance with it when herd immunity is reached. He is now saying, like many in the Jon Snow gang, that vaccine might not be a solution but test and track can extinguish the virus. All three men together with Hancock and many in the government have many connections with the Big Pharma and have a vested interest in a high technology expensive ruinous testing system to line their pockets. We are just waiting for an investigative journalist to clarify this but we are waiting in vain with the current MSM control.

215727 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to swedenborg, 2, #525 of 2423 🔗

Agree. As ever, follow the money, and of course, their peccadilloes!

215769 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, #526 of 2423 🔗

test and track can extinguish the virus”

… which was always rubbished by strategy documents published prior to 2020 – as were most of the dominant measures now in place.

As you suggest any decent investigative journalist (that almost extinct species) would have been all over this like a rash – it’s so obvious.

215658 Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 8, #527 of 2423 🔗

Somebody posted the following on The Telegraph live blog about the AZ/Oxford Vaccine trial. No corroboration, but then again, the first pause in the trial only came to light by accident when the second pause was announced:

‘Just heard another woman from Hastings is in hospital (4 weeks now) suffering from spinal pain and was on the trial, now transferred to Cambridge area where AZ has it’s base.
Looks like the spinal damage that was experienced by the other 2 volunteers is not accident.
This information is from 29th Oct 2020, so I assume it is 3rd patient with same problem’

215731 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #528 of 2423 🔗

Needs publishing more widely!

215662 Helen, replying to Helen, 2, #529 of 2423 🔗

Someone here earlier sounded sceptical ..suggesting, dare I say it…
!a conspiracy theory! .

The strange morphing of a company producing hard and software for monitoring offenders into a health tech company involved with the UK Government Healthtech Advisory Committee and their GovTech Summit 2020 on its new CommonPass to monitor us. What could possibly go wrong?

Panopticon Technologies limited (copied from defunct web site)
“A new, ethical, tech-enabled UK security company”
OUR MISSION – PANOPTICON Technologies Ltd

  • Panopticon has been founded by former public servants for today’s public servants.
  • We are passionate about new technology and providing immigration, police, intelligence and probation officers with high quality hardware and software to enhance their day-to-day work in monitoring offenders and protecting the public.
  • We combine trusted technology solutions with deep operational expertise in the UK. resents new threats for governments charged with keeping citizens safe and secure.
  • As terrorism, organised crime, cyber-attacks, and internet fraud continually evolve, the response of law enforcement agencies – including the market for security services — must change too.

Panopticon now replaced by infant company PUBLIC.o.i.

  • Government tech. summit 2020 for crisis recovery is organised by CEO of Public .i.o and Unbound.
  • GovTech Summit brings together the world’s brightest technological innovators with Europe’s leading public sector decision makers to rethink how governments can operate and thrive in the new post-COVID-19 world.
  • This virtual event offers you access to some of the most prominent political and public figures leading Europe’s accelerating transfer to the digital economy and recovery from the COVID-19 crisis, including Tony Blair, Jens Spahn , Raymond Knops, Cecilia Lonning – Skovgaard.
  • ‘We’re been delighted to bring you such an inspirational lineup of speakers for our 2020 virtual event. From European ministers to industry leaders and startups, they’ve all shared the impact of COVID and the great steps forward towards recovery. Learnings from our speakers have highlighted the important role technology has to play as sessions addressed healthtech, skilling up governments, the future of work and how technology can help us to adapt our cities to make them safe and sustainable.
  • Partner With Us. Want to position your company in front of the GovTech community?’
  • Our GovTech Summit events will provide you with the perfect platform to showcase your company to a dedicated audience of senior personnel working in areas such as policy, innovation, digital transformation, technology and more.
  • Web Summit (THE WORLDS LARGEST TECHNOLOGY SUMMIT) is on 2-4 December 2020!

https://www.govtechsummit.eu

215729 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Helen, 3, #530 of 2423 🔗

Horrifying – you can easily see that what they are talking about is mass population surveillance… which is where 5G comes in…

215678 Ruth Sharpe, replying to Ruth Sharpe, 30, #531 of 2423 🔗

Just had an interesting conversation with a supplier, based in Leeds. Was commiserating with her, being put into tier 3, but she said in her experience, it is not making a bit of difference, in the sense that people are carrying on as normally as possible.

She said that the ridiculousness of the ‘rules’, eg that you can go to work with 70 ‘strangers’, but then are not ‘permitted’ to socialise with any of those workmates, let alone your family or friends, who you know a lot more about, is what is driving people to finally think for themselves.

She then made this comment, ‘the thing is, we little people know what the score is; the powers that be haven’t got a clue.

And there you have it in a nutshell!

215691 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Ruth Sharpe, 10, #532 of 2423 🔗

“eg that you can go to work with 70 ‘strangers’, but then are not ‘permitted’ to socialise with any of those workmates, let alone your family or friends,”

Here we have it:

Maximize work, minimize communication amongst the workers.

215699 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to calchas, 3, #533 of 2423 🔗

THe ‘cubicle-ization’ of society.

215703 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Ruth Sharpe, 7, #534 of 2423 🔗

Heartening to hear your conversation to your supplier. In matter of fact it is ‘the little’ people who have caused civilisation to be. It has been the trick of leaders to seek limelight and cause troubles. Throughout history the hidden secret is ‘the little people’ are the world.

Quite literally the further away from Edinburgh University campus you are the more normal life is going on, the more reason is voiced, the more ‘the little people’ know what is going on.

215870 ▶▶▶ Ruth Sharpe, replying to Basics, 2, #535 of 2423 🔗

Yes, I am in a remote part of Scotland & can only get any sense of what is going on by talking to people elsewhere in the UK. I was heartened by this morning’s conversation, because where I am, progress to getting people to see what a lie this all is, is painfully slow.

215872 ▶▶▶ Ruth Sharpe, replying to Basics, 1, #536 of 2423 🔗

PS. We also touched on BLM and how that is making us a more racist country.

215680 Basics, replying to Basics, 7, #537 of 2423 🔗

An open letter to Trump from an Archbishop who has understood what the Great Reset is.

It is an assault on working people…small businesses…local communities…on the hearts & minds of humanity.

The letter is attached to this tweet:

“Open letter to @realDonaldTrump
from Carlo Maria Viganò, Former Apostolic Nuncio to the United States of America.

It spells out the dark storm clouds of what’s coming…”

https://twitter.com/Perpetualmaniac/status/1322071808867241984?s=20

215685 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Basics, 1, #538 of 2423 🔗

Very good!

215707 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Basics, 1, #539 of 2423 🔗

Haha, was just about to post this link myself!

215751 ▶▶ merlin, replying to Basics, 1, #540 of 2423 🔗

Thank you for sharing this letter.

215757 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Basics, 3, #541 of 2423 🔗

Desperate times when Trump may be the only saviour from this tyranny eh? I have a really bad feeling that next week’s US election is going to unleash something appalling.

215811 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to godowneasy, #542 of 2423 🔗

Yes… I have read Trump has in place an alternative means to communicate with the American people if someone pulls the plug on the internet…

215682 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 10, #543 of 2423 🔗

Sweden not showing a second ripple yet. Overall deaths within a normal interannual variability. Not bad for a 1 in 100 year pandemic. And they didn’t turn into an authoritarian police state!

What can be the excuse for not following Sweden?

1 – they are all reindeer herders
2 – no-one lives there
3 – they did worse than taiwan
4 – just wait for the second wave
5 – the fact that they didn’t turn into a police state IS the problem

215702 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to steve_w, 4, #544 of 2423 🔗

They haven’t destroyed their economy, their health service or their education system. Even their cultural life has been able to continue on a smaller scale.

215724 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to steve_w, 8, #545 of 2423 🔗

According to the MP interviewed by Julia H-B this morning, the difference between the UK and Sweden is that it is ‘ cold and dark most of the year’ here in Sweden!

He has obviously never been here – in the summer it is only dark for a few hours at night (and I’m just north of Stockholm, so not up in the Arctic circle)…

It is only really dark between now and 21st December – after that the light returns quite fast!

215755 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Carrie, 3, #546 of 2423 🔗

Clearly failed his Geography CSE.

215778 ▶▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to karenovirus, 2, #547 of 2423 🔗

To be honest I can just about live with a politician not necessarily knowing this but what I do object to is them positing an argument without checking the validity of their assumptions. That’s what makes them unfit.

215760 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Carrie, 4, #548 of 2423 🔗

It makes me wonder what point he was trying to make, given that viruses survive slightly better in the cold. I would also imagine that increased levels of sunlight would also serve to disrupt virus molecules.

If cold and dark is good for viruses, that would suggest that the UK would have done even better with a Swedish approach.

215793 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Carrie, 3, #549 of 2423 🔗

He’s obviously never been to the north of Scotland never mind Sweden

215794 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Carrie, 2, #550 of 2423 🔗

What difference does it being cold and dark make to Covid? It isn’t any lighter or warmer here in Scotland. Besides, it is only colder and darker at the end of autumn and winter.

215808 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to jb12, #551 of 2423 🔗

Exactly my point!

215911 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to jb12, 2, #552 of 2423 🔗

I once went to Scotland in August: it was cold and dark…and wet.

215931 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to OKUK, 4, #553 of 2423 🔗

Good job. If it had been warm and sunny you’d have been eaten by midges.

216035 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to jb12, 2, #554 of 2423 🔗

It likes the cold.
Hence the widespread outbreaks of cases in refrigerated food processing plants.

215875 ▶▶▶ Ruth Sharpe, replying to Carrie, 1, #555 of 2423 🔗

Clearly never been to the North of Scotland, Orkney & Shetland either then! We’re having a good run of auroras at the moment!

216336 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Carrie, #556 of 2423 🔗

If he had even ventured to the Highlands, he’d have seen how late at night it stays bright in the summer. My Dad is from Donegal in Ireland (55 degrees north) and in June/July, there is always a faint glow in the night sky in the northerly direction. Most of Scotland would be further north than this.

215759 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to steve_w, 6, #557 of 2423 🔗

The excuse for not following Sweden now is simply that they didn’t follow Sweden at the beginning. It’s too far gone now to admit they got it wrong.

215697 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 7, #558 of 2423 🔗

Keep hearing an ad for men to donate blood if they have had covid recently.

We are particularly interested in hearing from men, people aged over 35, people from Asian communities, and people who were treated in hospital. These people are more likely to have higher levels of antibodies in their plasma which can help fight infection.

https://www.nhsbt.nhs.uk/covid-19-research/plasma-donors/who-can-donate-plasma/

Make up your fucking minds

216176 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Sarigan, 1, #559 of 2423 🔗

Make up your fucking minds

I know, it’s hilarious, isn’t it. 2020: The Year of Extraordinary Bullshit!

215719 Mike, replying to Mike, 5, #560 of 2423 🔗

I put this up late yesterday evening but thought it worth putting up again today.
Dr. Berg giving the best (short) breakdown of testing and infection rates I’ve seen so far…

Take note of the British stats, it is startling (if not unexpected).

https://youtu.be/aHRNvAIFSMU

215746 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Mike, 2, #561 of 2423 🔗

Thanks, well worth 10 minutes time.

215858 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Mike, #562 of 2423 🔗

Than you for reposting this Mike. I didn’t see it first time around. So good to have beautifully clear explanations backed with sources.

10 times less Covid19 fatality in October than April in UK. Waych the video to see the numbers for other countries including USA France and Sweden.

215737 alw, replying to alw, 7, #563 of 2423 🔗

Talking to a consultant at a large London teaching hospital yesterday where they are treating Covid patients. Only ONE Covid patient in ICU.

215909 ▶▶ calchas, replying to alw, #564 of 2423 🔗

Becuae of C-19 or something else?

C-19 patient = positive test in last 29 days.

216236 ▶▶▶ DomW, replying to calchas, #565 of 2423 🔗

…. with symptoms indicative of the syndrome named as “covid-19”

215739 alw, replying to alw, 3, #566 of 2423 🔗

It’s not just Simon Dolan who has had a Twitter ban.
https://www.primarydoctor.org/censorship-vs-the-scienc-on-masks

215798 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to alw, 1, #567 of 2423 🔗

Very interesting read, thank you

215805 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to alw, 1, #568 of 2423 🔗

Interesting that Simon’s ban was apparently due to a tweet re China (thinking Biden affairs being used to censor all talk of China..)

215741 c s, replying to c s, 4, #569 of 2423 🔗

Regarding the ability/inability of the police to enter your property to try and break up a gathering (at Christmas or otherwise), I fail to see why we cannot use a similar exception to that used as a “reasonable excuse” for not wearing a face covering? See the below copied from legislation…the final point says: “ to enable one or more persons in the gathering to avoid injury or illness or to escape a risk of harm;”

You could quite easily say that one or more in the group suffers from anxiety/low mood/depression and thus not meeting up would worsen that condition (i.e. seeing to avoid illness by meeting up)?

Exceptions in relation to indoor gatherings restricted by paragraph 1

4. —(1) These are the exceptions referred to in paragraph 1.

Exception 1: same or linked households

(2) Exception 1 is that all the people in the gathering—

(a)
are members of the same household, or

(b)
are members of two households which are linked households in relation to each other (see paragraph 6).
Exception 2: permitted organised gatherings

(3) Exception 2 is that—

(a)
the gathering is a permitted organised gathering (see paragraph 8), and

(b)
the person concerned participates in the gathering alone or as a member of a qualifying group.
Exception 3: gatherings necessary for certain purposes

(4) Exception 3 is that the gathering is reasonably necessary—

(a)
for work purposes or for the provision of voluntary or charitable services;

(b)
for the purposes of education or training;

(c)
for the purposes of—

(i)
childcare provided by a person registered under Part 3 of the Childcare Act 2006( 2 ),

(ii)
supervised activities for children, or

(iii)
informal childcare provided by a member of a household to a member of their linked childcare household (see paragraph 7);

(d)
to provide emergency assistance;

(e)
to enable one or more persons in the gathering to avoid injury or illness or to escape a risk of harm;

215753 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to c s, 4, #570 of 2423 🔗

Sounds good. And there clearly is much scope for using our Common Law. I understand now why Blair and co have made such efforts to bury it and make people forget about it.
May I suggest you send your list to Freshfields (the firm of solicitors who hosted Lord Sumption’s speech) and ask them to join the German lawyers fighting this, and make clear information available free for the public to use in their challenges and daily life.

215803 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Rosie, 3, #571 of 2423 🔗

Believe Michael O’Bernicia is also using common law in his court case(s)

215775 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to c s, 3, #572 of 2423 🔗

I believe also support groups like AA can meet with more than 6 as long as SD (another so wrong term, it is physical distance!) guidelines are being followed.

So just call yourself a mental health support group. Anyway, isn’t that what we are all doing by having social contacts?

215857 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to c s, 1, #573 of 2423 🔗

Points 4 (a) and (b) MIGHT mean that I can host my usual mulled wine a mince pies at the end of our ‘term’. The ‘gathering’ consists of my students whom I teach Koine Greek and Latin. I don’t get paid for this, so this is charitable and I am teaching, so this is educational. Should I do an introductory lesson in Syriac as well?
Just a thought…

215906 ▶▶ Ruth Sharpe, replying to c s, #574 of 2423 🔗

Isn’t that last exception, the one that Dominic Cummings used back in April or something similar? The inference was that everyone could use it.

Law or Fiction, also suggests the avoidance of doing harm is a better one for face masks.

Finally, walking groups are able to meet, as it is classed as sport, plus ‘non-contact’ sport can still go ahead, although that maybe just here in Scotland?

215745 Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 8, #575 of 2423 🔗

Take a look at this (Simon Dolan retweeted this) – the comments below the letter are really interesting (you may need Google translate):

https://twitter.com/ViolaineGuerin/status/1322125209223208960

For example:

I completely agree with you for the fear of the fine but I also see a lot of oxen who wear a mask while being alone in their cars, there is a psychosis all the same, for info I am anti mask which poisoned our kids from the age of 6, SHAME

Do you really think people are terrified of this virus? Isn’t it the police and fines they’re afraid of? Park against that confinement is useless. We totally agree.

This mayor is VERY VERY VERY smart !!! Well done to him

216043 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Ozzie, 1, #576 of 2423 🔗

Lot’s of fellow sceptics. Bon courage mes amis!

215756 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 14, #577 of 2423 🔗

Just done a quick straw poll in my head in the supermarket and using very technical statistical modelling I’m confident in saying that people who are unmasked (me) are 100% happier than those who are following government guidelines.

2 OAP’s (masked looking very uncomfortable) in front of me in the queue, the wife was having trouble entering the correct pin number, finally the lady on the till used the contactless, bosh, done.

Much hilarity as I told them once you’ve bipped you won’t stop and could they pay for my shopping (crate of beer and lunch (egg and ham sandwich, BLT for the OH)).

Ha ha.

I said to the lady* on the till how will they get on in a cashless society???

‘i know, scary isn’t it’

‘oh yes, I would start being very afraid – ta ta’

*Wearing the disgusting blue mask whilst chewing gum the shape of the mask made her look like a sesame Street puppet

216188 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to stefarm, #578 of 2423 🔗

Just done a quick straw poll in my head in the supermarket and using very technical statistical modelling I’m confident in saying that people who are unmasked (me) are 100% happier than those who are following government guidelines.

Way more accurate than YouGov. 🙂

‘oh yes, I would start being very afraid – ta ta’

You’re right, she should be; when the cashless society comes, she most likely won’t have a job.

215758 Darryl, 4, #579 of 2423 🔗

Interesting article on the ‘Great Reset’ Matt Hancock and just about everyone in the senior civil service / government is supporting. https://off-guardian.org/2020/10/30/class-consciousness-in-the-age-of-covid/

Small business and self reliance doesn’t seem to figure in their plans. When are the small businesses which are often hostile to non-mask wearers finally going to get the future they are supporting envisages them on the state payroll or working for a big company? a slave state.

215764 Jakehadlee, replying to Jakehadlee, #580 of 2423 🔗

The graph showing historical excess deaths in the US would be even more interesting if it took into account deaths as a percentage of the population. If such a thing exists I’d love to see it.

215901 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Jakehadlee, #581 of 2423 🔗

It does. It shows deaths per million. If you want to see it as a percentage, just divide the number by 10,000.

215766 chaos, replying to chaos, 9, #582 of 2423 🔗

We wish you a merry Christmask
We wish you a merry Christmask
We wish you a merry Christmask
And a Nappy New Normal

Bad tidings we bring
To you and your future King
Bad tidings for Christmask and a Nappy New Normal

Oh, bring us a figgy pudding;
Oh, bring us a figgy pudding;
Oh, bring us figgy pudding when a slot becomes available.

Ho Ho Ho Merry Shitmas.

215900 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to chaos, 2, #583 of 2423 🔗

What about Cliff’s Christmas classic “Muzzled Up and Whine”.

216192 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to chaos, #584 of 2423 🔗

Oh, bring us figgy pudding when a slot becomes available .

Made me literally laugh out loud, that did. Thanks. 🙂

215767 FenTyger, 2, #585 of 2423 🔗

Swedish care home doctors perspective
May have been posted before, but just in case here it is:-
https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/10/28/covid-19-a-swedish-care-home-doctors-perspective/

215770 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 15, #586 of 2423 🔗

SAGE and ICL are a runaway train now. They’re so invested in the models they’ve completely lost the ability to critically appraise them or to even contextualise or caveat them (at least in any meaningful way). They’re caught in a self-fulfilling bubble of rightness and are no longer able to distinguish between models and evidence. They’re the same thing to them now.

215776 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Achilles, 5, #587 of 2423 🔗

they’ve completely lost the ability to critically appraise”

Frankly, I’ve seen no sign that this essential scientific skill was ever present sufficiently in order to overcome the ‘brown-nose’ impulse.

215782 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Achilles, 3, #588 of 2423 🔗

Nope. They are just doing what Davos and GSK and other assoc. actors have told them to do. This dystopia has nothing to do with a virus.

215783 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Achilles, 5, #589 of 2423 🔗

“The modelling, that’s the data we are looking at.”
Patrick Vallance

215955 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Achilles, #590 of 2423 🔗

Someone should take an axe to all government/ICL computers.

215781 chaos, replying to chaos, 11, #591 of 2423 🔗

Rudolph the red-nosed reindeer Had a very shiny nose,
but now he wears a facemask you can’t even say it glows…

I’m available to play Satan Santa for all parties of 6 or larger grouse shootings. I might scare your children, stink of Jack Daniels, make inappropriate eye contact and/or comments, and possibly touch up your wife.

Ho Ho Ho
Merry Shitmas.

215787 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to chaos, 2, #592 of 2423 🔗

Is your name Boris? 😉

216003 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to chaos, 2, #593 of 2423 🔗

you ARE funny, Chaos

215784 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 15, #594 of 2423 🔗

Please keep sharing recovery’s website. Google is doing a great job of hiding it. I had to search through these pages to find it. Share and share. Keep on your browser. This is a real chance to restore sanity! I overheard in the swimming pool changing room today (yes, at the GYM!) two elderly ladies talking about how selfish young people are for going out. “This is when an authoritarian government would be useful. ‘Stay at home or you’ll be shot’.” I literally stood in front of them staring at them until they moved away. I could not speak.
https://timeforrecovery.org/

215834 ▶▶ Stuart, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 6, #595 of 2423 🔗

The tyrannical and sadistic insanity of the lockdown mob grows with the feeding thereof.

215862 ▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #596 of 2423 🔗

I would really love to know what makes them think that they will be immune from such a policy once established and so useful for getting rid of all kinds of people. Truly incredible thought process.

215951 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 7, #597 of 2423 🔗

Speaking as an elderly lady myself, that’s disgusting. If I as an older person with a greater health risk take care young people should do what they want. I can be as cautious as I need to be without stopping youngsters.

215792 cloud6, replying to cloud6, 4, #598 of 2423 🔗

Regarding T ens of thousands of Parisians last night caused massive traffic jams in a desperate attempt to flee the French capital ahead of the start of Emmanuel Macron’s new national shutdown.

Londoner’s did the same in March, 320,000 of them left London, what’s the betting that these same people are the one’s that are running the lunatic asylum now.

216009 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to cloud6, #599 of 2423 🔗

The movers and shakers of the world. Do as I say, not as I do.

215796 Sceptic in Oxford, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 4, #600 of 2423 🔗

I watched Dr Mike Yeadon (really impressive) on Anna Brees’ Youtube video last night. She asked what viewers can/should do if we feel as he does and he said write an open letter to the Govt suggesting they disband SAGE and speak to other, independent advisers and that they stop mass testing of the “well” population. Here’s mine to Boris Johnson.

Dear Prime Minister

This week, as it does every week, Public Health England released its excess death statistics. They are entirely normal for the time of year. Indeed, the release states “no statistically-significant excess all-cause death mortality was observed overall”.

This has been the case for weeks now and yet your Government perpetuates this lockdown insanity, in the process causing untold damage to other aspects of our lives, livelihoods and liberties.

Your current SAGE advisers are clearly stuck in groupthink and unless/until you disband SAGE and speak to independent, eminently well qualified people (of whom there are a growing multitude speaking out), this groupthink and the advice it generates will continue.

In the meantime, the enormous damage done to other aspects of life and health (including the massive backlog of other, untreated health conditions) grows.

Be under no illusion at whom voters will increasingly point the finger of blame when more and more of them experience the effects of continued lockdown and as other illnesses cause more loss of life. Here’s a hint: it won’t be SAGE.

It’s been known since the summer that PCR testing generates significant numbers of false positives, yet mass testing of the “well” population continues in the process generating these false positives and a seeming “casedemic”. In response, SAGE advises more lockdown measures whereas as Public England’s figures attest, the excess death figures do not support that the pandemic is still raging because, if it was, there would be huge numbers of excess deaths.

How will we ever get out of this loop if you keep the same advisers advising more of the same?

I am writing to you as a deeply disillusioned Conservative voter to urge you to disband SAGE and instead seek broader and wider advice from the current, narrow groupthink.

Yours faithfully

216238 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, #601 of 2423 🔗

I feel the urge to research all the members of Sage and find out who they are affiliated to, their credentials etc. As Yeadon remarked at the very end of the recent Delingpole podcast, this ‘pandemic’ will not be over until Sage says it’s over. Any ideas on how to dig up enough material are welcome as I’m a novice but keen to learn.

215797 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 17, #602 of 2423 🔗

It is so frustrating that famous epidemiologists have not stated the obvious fact. Respiratory viruses are unstoppable in the spread. They transmit by droplets, aerosol and fomite contamination and can use any of these routes to survive i.e. transmit the disease. It is against all biological sense to think that masks can prevent this. If this was true how can we have such widespread flu outbreaks in Asia despite masks? In Japan there is a tradition of face masks since Spanish flu.It is also used against pollution. The use of face masks could also be a common indication that a respiratory virus is around and just be a sign to do other things like hand washing, SD etc .All in a vain search of not getting infected but demonstrating a collective effort to do something for nothing. There are several RCTs as regards flu showing no effects of masks. You would need at least a few RCTs showing a positive effect of mask for C-19 to change policy. How many have been published? None.

215821 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to swedenborg, 8, #603 of 2423 🔗

We have long since abandoned rationality in this country.

215853 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to swedenborg, 2, #604 of 2423 🔗

As I’ve said from the very beginning the issue is not the “virus”. It’s measuring it and the changes to policies and resources that allowed for a large degree of vaguery to be added to the numbers. That more often than not produces a self-perpetuating mythology that is only broken by a sharp event. It’s like the Yang technique for enlightenment. Daily pain and suffering as you meditate that evenutally breaks something in your mind and you see things differently.

We see it in autopsy protocols, the wide range of symptoms that overlap other respiratory viruses. No baseline tracking for comparisons. Priority of Covid testing and no other testing due to resource limitations. Incomplete or wrong diagnoses. It goes on and on.

The actual impact of the virus appears acute for some but would be completely indetectable for most of society if the media and government weren’t banging on about it.

216004 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to swedenborg, 1, #605 of 2423 🔗

As an example of the facepalm mentality we’re up against, see this twitter thread.

https://twitter.com/chrischirp/status/1321760465001697280

Don’t read if you have high blood pressure!

216198 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to PoshPanic, #606 of 2423 🔗

Bloody hell! Twitter really does show the stupidity of the British public.

215804 John P, replying to John P, 17, #607 of 2423 🔗

Julia Hartley-Brewer has been in conversation with a Tory MP from near the Lake District.

https://twitter.com/talkRADIO/status/1321365267964940289

The thing that most struck me about this clip was the relaxed complacency of Morris. He managed to laugh, grin and smirk his way through much of this and clearly has no worries at all.

This is very much a man who is comfortable knowing that his income of £82,000 a year is safe no matter what drivel he comes out with.

215818 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to John P, 8, #608 of 2423 🔗

They are safe because the vast majority of the population are unthinking goons.

215833 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #609 of 2423 🔗

Sadly, this is so.

215806 Mayo, replying to Mayo, -45, #610 of 2423 🔗

Ok – once more for Toby’s fanboys who still fail to grasp a simple point. Pay attention OKUK et al

Steve Hayes (below) makes the valid point that lockdown may cost more lives than it saves. That’s a GOOD reason to oppose lockdowns.

The fact that we have a low number of cases currently is not a valid reason to oppose lockdown because the situation may change and probably will change.

Sorry I can’t make it any easier.

215815 ▶▶ John P, replying to Mayo, 33, #611 of 2423 🔗

Lockdowns do not work.

There is no evidence to prove that they do.

Sweden has no lockdown and has never had a lockdown. Sweden is a functioning and healthy country.

The lockdown policy is not acceptable under any circumstance.

Sorry I can’t make it any easier.

215831 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to John P, 3, #612 of 2423 🔗

Well said!

215849 ▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Carrie, 1, #613 of 2423 🔗

Hear hear!

215819 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Mayo, 9, #614 of 2423 🔗

The fact that we have a low number of cases currently is not a valid reason to oppose lockdown because the situation may change and probably will change.

Surely that becomes irrelevant if lockdowns cost more lives than they save? No other argument is required.

215892 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Sarigan, 9, #615 of 2423 🔗

Plus destroy your economy, children’s education, normal socialisation of infants, your culture and your health service,

215826 ▶▶ djhowls, replying to Mayo, 2, #616 of 2423 🔗

Good point – but what if the Govt want as many dead as possible? Lockdown would be the perfect get out of jail free card and they will hide behind the pandemic and pass the blame onto the lockdown enthusiasts?

215828 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Mayo, 9, #617 of 2423 🔗

You can’t see the flaw in your argument Mayo.

Lockdowns do not work. Leeches don’t really work either nor does self-flaggellation.

“The fact that we have a low number of cases currently is not a valid reason to oppose virgin sacrifice because the situation may change and probably will change”.

The argument should be:

Having proven that lockdowns work, what would be a reasonable level of cases to apply them with regards to impacts on the economy?

215839 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to mhcp, 4, #618 of 2423 🔗

I don’t think Mayo is in favour of lockdowns (they will no doubt correct me if necessary). I think the argument being made is that it is superfluous and potentially dangerous to use current figures to make an argument against lockdown. If that is the case, then I tend to agree.

215856 ▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #619 of 2423 🔗

The problem is the assumption that lockdowns work. They don’t. Even the bloody Lancet has said they don’t. Hence the reason to add leeches or human sacrifice. They all have the same efficacy for viral spread.

215869 ▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to mhcp, 2, #620 of 2423 🔗

Indeed. And Mayo’s point seems to be that since this is true, bringing low numbers into the argument, or highlighting that that the doommongers’ predictions are not coming true, leaves room to suggest that there could be a situation in which lockdown becomes valid. So, does it matter who is right or wrong about the figures if we are not going to roll over and accept lockdowns when those figures reach a certain point?

215915 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to Charlie Blue, #621 of 2423 🔗

In a Better Regulation Task Force document it is argued that good regulation should:

  • Be balanced and avoid knee-jerk reactions
  • Seek to reconcile contradictory policy objectives
  • Balance risks, costs and benefits
  • Avoid unintended consequences
  • Be easy to understand
  • Have broad public support
  • Be enforceable
  • Identify accountability
  • Be relevant to current conditions

These criteria could also be used to evaluate policy options. How many of these criteria would the policy of lockdown meet?

215974 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Charlie Blue, #622 of 2423 🔗

Mayo’s argument is “based on asserting A is true and B can be controlled by applying A, simply saying B is currently low is not sufficient to say A cannot be applied as B could rise”

To which the answer is: why did you assert A. Everything thing else is irrelevant

216089 ▶▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #623 of 2423 🔗

You’re right Charlie . The Mayo creature agrees with Steve Hayes that lockdowns don’t work .And also says don’t base your arguments on the figures now as they may change . It makes sense .

215836 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Mayo, 8, #624 of 2423 🔗

I am not quite sure what you are trying to do/say? I have just posted a reply to your earlier post, I will repeat it here. But I am still unclear what you are trying to achieve with your posts?

The public support for lock downs seems linked to the false perception that if they lock down for a bit this nasty virus will just go away, it seems to me that such a a view is naive and incorrect. Lock downs seems to do little more than kick the can down the road a bit, the lock-down in March was much about protecting the NHS and give us time to live with a new virus, well we’ve been there and done that.
I can now see no conceivable case for lock downs, the ones we are having the UK at the moment have no sensible objective, they are like a sluice gate on a river if you close it the river backs up and if you do nothing else it will still come flooding through when you open the gate again.
A densely populated diverse country like the UK cannot now eradicate a virus that likes our winter climate and is now endemic , we have to learn to live with it but we are failing to take the necessary steps to do that whilst we still think we can ‘defeat’ the virus.

215840 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Mayo, 5, #625 of 2423 🔗

Why do you need to go any further than ‘lockdowns don’t work’?

215847 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Mayo, 3, #626 of 2423 🔗

As per our exchange yesterday, it’s about making high impact points now, to counter the similar propaganda from the panic-mongering side.

You are of course correct that credibility is important, but so is timeliness. And as I wrote yesterday,. the bad coin drives out the good. Once one side starts to use the strategy of telling unsustainable but momentarily plausible enough (with mainstream protection) lies and just moving on to the next one before they can be refuted, the defence has to follow or they will just be swept way.

There are cases where the credibility hit is too high, but mostly, in the current climate, it’s about hitting and moving on. It’s a matter of judgement and experience whether a particular issue is likely to be too costly in credibility terms if it blows up. The people with the best judgement in that regard make fortunes running political campaigns.

In this case there are two possibilities. First, the numbers plateau at a reasonable level, compared to past winter seasons. Second, numbers keep rising past those levels.

In the first case, the job is done. In the second, the argument moves on to the cost of lockdown, and any minor credibility hit from changing argument is just handwaved over.

215863 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Mark, 1, #627 of 2423 🔗

I think this is exactly right – the essence of the issue that Mayo and everyone else is arguing about.

215873 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Mayo, 2, #628 of 2423 🔗

The fact that we have a low number of cases currently is not a valid reason to oppose lockdown because the situation may change and probably will change.

Yes it is. The burden of proof is on the advocates of lockdown to demonstrate that cases will increase if there is no lockdown, especially given the wealth of evidence showing that lockdowns don’t actually stop infections in the long run.

215882 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to stewart, 1, #629 of 2423 🔗

So if positive tests did continue to rise without lockdown and that burden of proof is met you would be happy to accept lockdown? I think the question of what the figures will do (even if we assumed that they were not manipulated) is a separate one to whether lockdowns ‘work’.

215896 ▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Charlie Blue, #630 of 2423 🔗

I was only commenting on the argument as a reason for lockdown.
I am not happy to accept lockdown under any circumstances. Any.
If something is dangerous enough that I need to restrict my movements and activity to remain safe, I’ll do it myself without having to be instructed to.

215978 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to stewart, #631 of 2423 🔗

The on,y way to show whether or not lockdowns work us to have two communities of viable size and composition, lock down one, not lick down the other,, and compare the figures after a reasonable time.

Same with face nappies, mutatis mutandis.

215888 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Mayo, 2, #632 of 2423 🔗

Peru, Belgium, Italy, Spain and France…and yet you still falsely claim that lockdowns “work”.

215897 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Mayo, 1, #633 of 2423 🔗

Hello Mr Carrington

215905 ▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to Mayo, 2, #634 of 2423 🔗

Ah, the precautionary principle. I would advise against road crossing – it is a lethal activity.

215923 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Mayo, 4, #635 of 2423 🔗

Ok – once more for Mayo and their mother

Mayo has no idea what a ‘case’ is

Mayo consequently has no idea how many ‘cases’ there are or will be.

Nobody knows, as a consequence of junk data, different tests, different cycle thresholds, different laboratories with different standards and no internationally accepted definition of a ‘case’

Mayo is only on here to collect thumbs down.

We need hard data confirming, in that regard, if none other, that they lead the field.

215998 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Tim Bidie, 3, #636 of 2423 🔗

Mayo is here to divert, create division and waste energy. Ignore the twat

216005 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Mayo, #637 of 2423 🔗

Community suggestion: stop responding to this troll.

“Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”

216021 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Mayo, 3, #638 of 2423 🔗

I appreciate Mayo’s contributions as they counteract the tendency for this site to become an echo chamber. By challenging people’s ideas he encourages them to refine and improve their arguments, as can be seen in many of the responses here. My response would be that opposing lockdown on the basis of low case numbers is not the strongest argument but is valid, essentially saying “Don’t misapply the precautionary principle”.

216297 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Mayo, #639 of 2423 🔗

A plane may fall out of the sky (notwithstanding how few of them are still flying) and hit houses, killing the residents therein. Therefore evacuate all houses under flight paths.

BTW, a relative of mine was a resident of Lockerbie. He and his wife have not been seen since Pan Am 103 was blown out of the sky in 1988 – the site of their house is now the memorial garden in Lockerbie.

215816 Basics, replying to Basics, 7, #640 of 2423 🔗

A good conversation between Richie Allen and David Kurten here. Starts at, guessing, 15 mins in for 30 minutes or so. David Kurten is London Mayor candidate and also quite a reasonable person. He has spoken out consistently about the wrongs discussed here on LS.

The next guest on the radio show is one Ivor Cummins for another good conversation.

https://youtu.be/izIgyiMhEqg

If you are at work Friday afternoon will zip by with this on in the background..

215838 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Basics, 1, #641 of 2423 🔗

Same faces on the same shows though unfortunately.

215829 Arnie, replying to Arnie, 31, #642 of 2423 🔗

So the London Ambulance Service are now saying that suicides now match covid cases?

Suicide is 100% fatal. Covid is 0.1% fatal. So what is the maths here? Do we have the same numbers, or the same amount of deaths?

Either way this is just ONE aspect of the massive health disaster that is being foisted upon us.

As many of you know my business partner is/was one of those suicides. Just a number to the people in charge. Not to me.

When will the moronic zombies wake up? Will they ever?
Do they deserve every last bit of misery that they have helped create?..

215855 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Arnie, 5, #643 of 2423 🔗

Suicide is main cause of death in men under 30. That and car accidents. These two causes swap places (1st or 2nd) as main causes of death in men under 30 in any given year. Women try suicide more but men are better at it. The suicide rate peaks again in both sexes aged 45-55 as divorce and redundancy and disastisfaction with life etc takes its toll.

215972 ▶▶ annie, replying to Arnie, #644 of 2423 🔗

Do they deserve it?
Yes, and more. They want hell, let them get hell.
But without us.

215984 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Arnie, #645 of 2423 🔗

If anything is going wake up the remaining lockdown supporters, it should be this and the facts of the growing healthcare scandal. If that’s not enough to bring them around, then what will?

215832 John Galt, replying to John Galt, 22, #646 of 2423 🔗

I think part of the reason why some people are still unable to confront this nonsense is that they need to have some level of trust of people in power. To think that people in charge may not have our best interests at heart is just unfathomable to some people, they just cannot comprehend it because to do so would destroy their world view. This is also why the incompetence theory is easier to swallow, it’s a middle ground, because we can all understand and lament idiocy, whereas thinking that the people in charge are actively going against us for their own benefit is a bigger step to take.

215854 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to John Galt, 4, #647 of 2423 🔗

It goes right to the heart of whether you think man is inherently good or bad. Agree, it’s about engaging with people’s deeply held beliefs. We could do with a philosopher taking up the reins but traditionally this country poo poohs deep thinking.

215881 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Tom Blackburn, 6, #648 of 2423 🔗

‘whether you think man is inherently good or bad’? No, not really: it is whether you think the ‘elite’ are inherently good or bad!

215920 ▶▶▶▶ John Galt, replying to IanE, 3, #649 of 2423 🔗

Yes, I agree with this. I wouldn’t say it’s man in general, more whether you can consider that there are powerful people who may not have the same morality system as you or I.

215860 ▶▶ Julian, replying to John Galt, 4, #650 of 2423 🔗

For some it may be unfathomable, for others it is unpleasant and they stick their heads in the sand. It is self-preservation of a sort.

215922 ▶▶▶ John Galt, replying to Julian, 4, #651 of 2423 🔗

Undoubtedly. I think a lot of the compliance is coming from the head in the sand types. They don’t want to confront reality because it’s absolutely terrifying.

215970 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to John Galt, 3, #652 of 2423 🔗

Reality is not terrifying.
The world of lies the zombies are living in terrifies them.
More fool them.

215980 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to annie, 2, #653 of 2423 🔗

I think the reality that the world has gone made and we are governed by liars who are happy to destroy a country to preserve their political careers is terrifying

215898 ▶▶ calchas, replying to John Galt, 3, #654 of 2423 🔗

Like an abused child who just cannot accept what their parents are doing to them.

215899 ▶▶ calchas, replying to John Galt, 6, #655 of 2423 🔗

Like an abused child who just cannot accept what their parents are doing to them.

215841 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 50, #656 of 2423 🔗

Regardless as to whether you like the man or not, western democracy now stands on the edge. We can only hope and pray that Donald Trump wins next week, he really is our only hope.

216006 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to nickbowes, 9, #657 of 2423 🔗

strange, weird but probably true

216222 ▶▶ Censored Dog, replying to nickbowes, -1, #658 of 2423 🔗

Trump will lose, and it’s up to us to continue the fight.

Great Reset doesn’t care about any election.

215842 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 7, #659 of 2423 🔗

What’s going on?

Empty Test Centres All Over 🇬🇧 HDTV Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLmOWWcjRTg
Why are these places empty? Here’s some video from all over the U.K…

216047 ▶▶ PD, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #660 of 2423 🔗

Not a soul at North Shields centre this morning.
The two be-masked hi-viz guys hired to direct traffic were sat on stools on the side of the road fiddling with their phones in the absence of anything to do.

215851 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 13, #661 of 2423 🔗

How anyone is still believing this nonsense is beyond me. Its obvious we are being controlled and manipulated for another obvious agenda. Those who think of themselves as ‘elite’ have always thought of us plebs as thick and can be conned into anything.

215904 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Dan Clarke, 12, #662 of 2423 🔗

You’re right, Dan. I was seriously concerned at the beginning for about two weeks in March, then the truth began to dawn. I am amazed and appalled at the lack of basic knowledge and critical thinking out here in the real world. People I know – well-educated, go-getters, up-to-speed with anything cutting edge – some are still behind their sofas! They ONLY watch the BBC or read The Times – no other research at all, no fact-checking, no questioning. Nothing. Still worried, still afraid, still in thrall to the government’s diktats.
I think that’s what depresses me more than anything else.

215966 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Banjones, 7, #663 of 2423 🔗

I couldn’t care less if zombies are afraid and worried.
I do care if human beings are harassed and persecuted.

215852 Moomin, replying to Moomin, 2, #664 of 2423 🔗

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ElkwZViXIAA6gwR?format=jpg&name=900×900
Can anyone verify this? It’s on Peter Hitchens’ twitter feed.
Thanks.

215879 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Moomin, #665 of 2423 🔗

The trouble with that chart is that it misses out 2018/19

215887 ▶▶ John Galt, replying to Moomin, 1, #666 of 2423 🔗

It’s quite hard to say, but I found these stats and the pneumonia deaths are more around the 20,000 mark per year:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/adhocs/11662deathsfrompneumoniainhospitalsenglandandwales2001to2018

Yet there are then Pneumonia statistics on the British Lung Foundation website and in 2012, they’re saying that 28,952 died from pneumonia, whereas the stats linked above say 17,463 for 2012.

https://statistics.blf.org.uk/pneumonia

The flu death statistics are correct and quoted below:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/839350/Surveillance_of_influenza_and_other_respiratory_viruses_in_the_UK_2018_to_2019-FINAL.pdf

The 394 deaths for this year for the flu comes from:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsduetocoronaviruscovid19comparedwithdeathsfrominfluenzaandpneumoniaenglandandwales/deathsoccurringbetween1januaryand31august2020

However, apparently the PHE and ONS stats calculate flu differently. PHE calculate it as part of excess deaths, whereas ONS don’t. In which case there are some flu stats found here from the ONS:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/influenzaandcovid19deathdata

So the ONS comparison would be 458 for 2017, 1598 for 2018 and 1223 for 2019.

The issue with all of this stat checking, is that governments wouldn’t have been looking to turn a death into a flu death in the past, whereas now everything is WITH covid, which becomes a covid death. You would never have said in the past “Mrs Smith died with the flu, therefore, of the flu…(actual cause of death pre-existing heart conditions)”, so it’s a tough one to compare.

When I want to compare flu and covid I just use the excess winter death figures and say “excess winter death figures generally attributed to the winter flu”. Hilariously enough people have complained about the government exaggerating flu mortality in the past, so we can play them at their own game with those figures:

https://www.bmj.com/content/361/bmj.k2795/rr-6

215933 ▶▶▶ The Rule of Pricks, replying to John Galt, 2, #667 of 2423 🔗

I believe the ONS stats feed into here where you can filter for all death causes

https://www.nomisweb.co.uk/query/select/getdatasetbytheme.asp?opt=3&theme=&subgrp=

Pneumonia

Date England Wales Total

2013 24,621 1,978 26,599
2014 23,434 1,867 25,301
2015 27,284 2,281 29,565
2016 24,904 2,133 27,037
2017 25,018 2,119 27,137
2018 25,619 2,236 27,855
2019 23,240 1,889 25,129

Flu

Date England Wales Total
2013 146 13 159
2014 112 6 118
2015 260 22 282
2016 406 21 427
2017 430 28 458
2018 1,523 73 1,596
2019 1,160 53 1,213

Apologies for the formatting – I cant get it right. But I think its clear enough.

215864 stewart, replying to stewart, 29, #668 of 2423 🔗

The fact is we may never get a vaccine, and we may never develop herd immunity. I think we therefore need to prepare to deal with this virus, that has already killed more than 40,000 of our fellow citizens, through a programme of mass, community testing.

This quote from Jeremy Hunt is simply stunning.

The implication is that we should prepare ourselves for a life of permanent health surveillance.

Daily test and report result to the authorities. If you are clear you can carry on, if you are flagged you are confined. To enter any public place you have to demonstrate you are clear.

This is what Jeremy Hunt is openly saying is our long term future.

I’m not a conspiracy theorist. I’m a conspiracy spotter.

215867 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to stewart, 11, #669 of 2423 🔗

That’s the twat who had six years to get the NHS ready for a pandemic but never did.

215876 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to OKUK, 15, #670 of 2423 🔗

NHS is perfectly well ready for a pandemic, or at any rate as ready as a state run national healthcare system can realistically be expected to be. If they’d followed the Swedish approach as planned, it would have been fine.

What it wasn’t “ready for” was an epidemic of hysterical screaming fear over a jumped up cold.

That said, you’re absolutely correct that Jeremy Hunt is an absolute arse of the first order.

216127 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Mark, #671 of 2423 🔗

We had the lowest beds per milion of any major European country. Germany had over 3 times as many. We clearly had no stocks of PPE or ventilators. We were not ready.,

216173 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to OKUK, 1, #672 of 2423 🔗

Yet we coped ok, in medical capacity terms. The damage was done by the overreaction.

215877 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to OKUK, 2, #673 of 2423 🔗

When Hunt was the Health Secretary Exercise Cygnus concluded that in the event of a pandemic the NHS would be overwhelmed. The government responded, not by increasing NHS capacity, but by drafting what in March became the Coronavirus Act 2020, which was passed without parliamentary scrutiny or division: an Act which gave the government the power to do anything by ministerial fiat: Part 2 Section 90.

215963 ▶▶▶ Eddy, replying to OKUK, 5, #674 of 2423 🔗

Good job a pandemic didn’t arrive.

215878 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to stewart, 2, #675 of 2423 🔗

through a programme of mass, community testing.

In order to travel, you’ll soon be forced to carry a digital certificate that provides proof of medical checkups, screenings, DNA swabs, vaccinations
On October 21st, leaders from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control (CDC) and the U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) joined government authorities and academics from over three dozen countries at the Heathrow Airport in London.

There, the world authorities watched a select group of people subject their bodies to medical requirements in order to board United flight 15 to Newark, New Jersey. The authorities were there to celebrate and endorse a new technology called Common Pass. This medical passport is a digital certificate that will soon be required for air travel, public transit and large stadium gatherings.

At first, the digital certificate will be used to verify that each individual has surrendered their body to unreliable covid-19 nasal probes or DNA swabs. If an individual is not cleared “covid-19 negative” from a doctor, they are not allowed to travel.

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-10-29-travel-forced-to-carry-digital-certificate.html

https://www.mintpressnews.com/commonpass-new-covid-security-measures-will-make-health-a-prerequisite-for-travel/272298/

215913 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to stewart, 3, #676 of 2423 🔗

Big ideas, can’t even get a good signal with some networks. Why do politicians get such credibility when most spout stuff they know hardly anything about.

216130 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Dan Clarke, -1, #677 of 2423 🔗

Yep. It will be ‘a government IT project’, say no more.

(Especially as anyone in their right mind will drop several large spanners into the system. 🙂 ).

215991 ▶▶ William Hand, replying to stewart, 3, #678 of 2423 🔗

Test? I’m never ever going to take one of their stupid tests. Can’t wait till they start knocking on my door, that’s if they ever find my house on Dartmoor. I have a Jack Russell terrier that … ahem … gets very excited when visitors call.

215995 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to stewart, 7, #679 of 2423 🔗

And how is this to be funded Mr Hunt?

You cannot tax the jobless. You cannot tax the company you sent to the wall. You cannot test any significant number of people until you have a test that is 100% correct and in the whole history of humanity’s attempts to test has any test been 100%.

Mr Hunt. You are an idiot.

215865 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 8, #680 of 2423 🔗

I just read this: ”… accused Mr Hancock of “overplaying his hand” when it came to the benefits of technology…”
THIS is someone who has no scientific qualification whatsoever. Perhaps not even GCSE biology. He certainly hasn’t had a job in the Real World.
How come someone like this holds the office of ”Secretary of State for Health”? No wonder he’s full of his own importance – he probably never envisaged flying so high. Perhaps he made sure he knew where the bodies were buried.

215889 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Banjones, 11, #681 of 2423 🔗

He is a bad egg and was the first name on ‘the list’.

He can’t even do a Twitter video about Rona sniffing dogs without me hating him – waving the doggie treats around with a closed hand. The dog was bobbing its head about following the Twat’s exaggerated hand gestures.

Flaunting his power, even over Covid pooches. Cunt.

215965 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Banjones, 2, #682 of 2423 🔗

I bet he still lives with his Mum

215874 Albie, replying to Albie, 24, #683 of 2423 🔗

A freelance journalist called James Melville has done a Twitter poll asking “do you think there should be another national lockdown”? 45,600 responses, 57% no, 43% yes. Much more transparent than commissioned polls, an unloaded straightforward question. A good turnout at 45k. Zealots are tangibly in the minority now. Keep going everyone.

https://mobile.twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/1322090436421365761?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

215883 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Albie, 9, #684 of 2423 🔗

There ought to be another question following that, again a simple one: ”are you a public employee?”

215918 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Banjones, 6, #685 of 2423 🔗

One more question:

do you have a social life to lose or have you always been a hermit?

215921 ▶▶▶ ambwozere, replying to Banjones, 9, #686 of 2423 🔗

Yes and I vote for no more lockdowns ever. Not all public sector workers want this situation to happen or continue.

215994 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Banjones, 6, #687 of 2423 🔗

Or simply: have you been furloughed this year?

If the magical money tree had not been shaken in March, I don’t imagine we would have much compliance right now.

215895 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Albie, 3, #688 of 2423 🔗

Or, have you got an IQ below 90. 43% said yes.

215992 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to JHuntz, 3, #689 of 2423 🔗

,,, and 23% didn’t understand the question …

216090 ▶▶ Elenesse, replying to Albie, 10, #690 of 2423 🔗

I am also a public servant and want an end to this shit show. Just because my job hasn’t been compromised (yet!) doesn’t mean I’m insensible to all the needless suffering lockdown has caused to this country. I care about the wider issues we are all facing with this.

216386 ▶▶▶ Sceptic-on-Sea, replying to Elenesse, 3, #691 of 2423 🔗

100% agree.

215894 ▶▶ Albie, replying to p02099003, 5, #693 of 2423 🔗

Ridiculous. When there genuinely is a major incident nobody will pay any attention with precedents like this.

215962 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Albie, 1, #694 of 2423 🔗

They’ll classify them in tiers next..major incident – tier level 12, break out the hand gel

215885 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 5, #695 of 2423 🔗

Are we still sure there is a virus, or did the first ‘wave’ occur when the very ill & elderly were removed from hospital care, without GP attendance and subsequently died? The proof that a virus actually exists appears to be disputed more every day. Was it the FEAR they actually wanted in order to move forward with their actual agenda, and the mask enforcement in order to keep it in the public awareness, because without that, what would there be?

216000 ▶▶ JudgeMental, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #696 of 2423 🔗

I am absolutely convinced there is a virus. And I’m also pretty sure there is a global agenda in place aka the great reset. In a game of chess you sometimes sacrifice your own pieces in order to win.

216020 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #697 of 2423 🔗

I think you need to listen to that Mike Yeadon/Anna Brees video. He thinks it is over.
And keep listening to the end, because in my view the last 10 minutes is absolutely brilliant. Having been a former BBC fan (I didn’t have TV for many years so subsisted on R4 and World Service) I agreed wholeheartedly with what Mike said about the BBC.

215886 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 27, #698 of 2423 🔗

All the responses to the coronavirus rely on public consent. There is no way the state could enforce the measures. All that is required to stop the madness is for people to ignore the rules and live as free human beings. An immediate, and visible and highly political way of signalling this refusal to be oppressed would be not wear the mandated face covering: and all anyone has to do to defend their self from state punishment is, if challenged, say, “I am exempt.”

215934 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #699 of 2423 🔗

Yes, very sad. I dared to watch a short news report on German TV this morning, they are closing almost everything again from Monday.
They interviewed some people on the street and at a gym, full compliance. The sad thing is, they were all: well, I guess it has to be, it’s only for a short time, hopefully it will bring the virus down. They have not informed themselves and are going along with what MSM tell them.
Only one lady pointed out how many more people suffer with depression.

215985 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Silke David, 2, #700 of 2423 🔗

Germany will pay 75% on November 2019 turnover for small businesses. Money for nothing some may say.

215891 Tom Blackburn, #701 of 2423 🔗

Any update from the Dolan case? The audio makes it unlistenable for me.

215903 John Ballard, replying to John Ballard, 71, #702 of 2423 🔗

My life with this BS….spend 90 minutes a day commuting, actually enjoy listening to the normal coughing and sneezing you get in the Autumn….spend 9 hours in an open plan office with about 30 other people, my son is a bus driver and doesn’t wear a mask, my daughter and partner work in a supermarket and didn’t wear a mask for months, my wife works in an open plan office as well……..none of us are the slightest bit worried. During lockdown, the kids worked and came around to our house all the time, the wife and myself worked from home, but spent three times longer than normal out walking the dog! My parents are elderly and welcome visits which have continued all year and will continue, they have only “so many” years left, they would sooner see their family than live in isolation.
Life goes on. Tomorrow I will go to the pub and then out for a meal…wearing a mask to enter as I am best to do if drinking and I cant be bothered to have a row over a 20 second walk to a table.
Anyway…boring I know, but I don’t give a monkeys what Tier the buffoon and associated morons put our town in. My life will go on as normally as possible and I will do as little as possible out of the ordinary. Then when I next get to vote I swear I will NOT vote for any politician who has been part of this sh*t show. Life long Tory voter (52 years old), never again. Ever.
I hate our government more than I could ever put into words.

215910 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to John Ballard, 9, #703 of 2423 🔗

Well said. It could be Tier One Million for all I care. Life goes on.

215917 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to John Ballard, 5, #704 of 2423 🔗

# me too

215956 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to John Ballard, 10, #705 of 2423 🔗

Great Post but we have seen the last election in this country I’m afraid.

215987 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to John Ballard, 3, #706 of 2423 🔗

The Conservative party is highly flexible and not very principled at the best of times. We think that individual freedoms are something they value but it’s just not the case. The SDP and UKIP are relatively anti-lockdown, else there is really not much political representation out there.

At least in America they will have a genuine choice next week.

215997 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to John Ballard, 9, #707 of 2423 🔗

I thought it would be impossible for me to hate anything more than our government, and then I saw Angela Rayner on the Marr Show and had to reconsider.

216194 ▶▶▶ DomW, replying to Alethea, 3, #708 of 2423 🔗

What about Jacunta Arden?

216031 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to John Ballard, 12, #709 of 2423 🔗

I agree with one difference, I now do not wear a mask (I carry an exemption badge but do not show it unless asked). Exemption is permitted if mask wearing causes the wearer distress. Anyone with any regard for civil liberties should feel EXTREME distress on being forced to wear a mask.

216072 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to John Ballard, #710 of 2423 🔗

That’s all very good. And often I feel very much the same. But when you look at the noise tightening in other countries, don’t you worry its coming for you too?

You seem to be happy with your lot and that’s find. However, you have kids. You have friends abroad. Don’t you care for them?

215907 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 8, #711 of 2423 🔗

With regards to the Scottish hate laws. This means that they have effectively outlawed every church, mosque and synagogue in Scotland, as these three religions all make statements that could be considered as hate in the other two. Jews don’t recognise Jesus as the messiah, Moslems don’t recognise Jesus as more than a prophet. Christians don’t recognise Mohammed as a prophet. Jahweh is not recognised as being equivalent to Allah.

It also means that football matches, when they return are going to have to be silent, no more calling the referee names or goading the opposition fans.
Flower of Scotland could cause offence to any English person living in Scotland.

215926 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to p02099003, 3, #712 of 2423 🔗

The Torah, the Bible and the Koran would all fall foul of the hate speech laws.

215939 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to p02099003, #713 of 2423 🔗

Wonder what’s going to happen to these enemies of the people when the truth comes out.

215961 ▶▶ annie, replying to p02099003, 2, #714 of 2423 🔗

Scots wha hae. Hatred of the English.
Hey Johnny Cope. Mocking the English.
Flowers of the Forest, Falsely accuses the English of winning by ‘guile’.
A hundred pipers and more. Incites to violence against the English and tells lies about history.
Etc.

215968 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to p02099003, 3, #715 of 2423 🔗

We will all be silent when masks are to be worn all day and every day

215996 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to p02099003, 3, #716 of 2423 🔗

This is why we need a liberal secular public sphere. No religion is obstructed from insulting others; no religion is protected from being insulted by others.

216064 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to p02099003, #717 of 2423 🔗

Of course, the law just means power. Yes, in a technical sense it could apply to a church service, but it never will, because its all just smoke and mirrors to allow for the abirtray welding of state power on individual freedom

215908 Hieronimusb, replying to Hieronimusb, 4, #718 of 2423 🔗

I left a comment here late last night which questioned whether live SARS-CoV-2 virus has in fact been isolated in samples taken from individuals who have been deemed to be infected and are displaying symptoms of COVID-19. I am not suggesting that there is no such pathogen, but there seems to be enormous confusion about its spread and behaviour and the PCR test is obviously inappropriate, unreliable, and therefore unjustifiable in this context. Can somebody, anybody, please provide a definitive answer to this question. I have spent a lifetime diagnosing and repairing complex, often multifactorial, faults in mechanical, electromechanical, and hydraulic systems and I have the greatest respect for the necessity of testing to destruction every link in any chain of hypothesis and exposing any useless preconceptions before adopting the hypothesis as a reliable, not just viable, diagnosis. The diagnosis then needs to be worked backwards to see if it is confirmed in the original symptom(s) before embarking on experimentation which could cause further damage. Although this process is ultimately empirical, good intuition which is willing to disregard previous experience if necessary can save time. It is obvious to me that no such rigour is being employed to determine the veracity of the official narrative and that irreversible decisions, i.e. where death is an inevitable consequence, are being made on flimsy evidence and fatally flawed judgement. I believe that this is the case regardless of whether or not the live virus has been found in individuals or not but would be grateful for some enlightenment on this specific topic.

216088 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to MaxPower, #720 of 2423 🔗

Many thanks, I will read this through later and check for any evidence of a Faucian Pact!

216094 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to JudgeMental, #722 of 2423 🔗

Many thanks, I have had a quick look (am breaking Welsh lockdown by being out and about for reasons which are almost certainly proscribed, so using phone) and notice that the comments are, shall we say, sceptical!

216053 ▶▶ Fruitbat, replying to Hieronimusb, #723 of 2423 🔗

There are people who say that the Sars-Cov 2 virus has not been isolated and has not therefore been proven to exist or proven to be the cause of any disease. This is nothing new, because it has been argued that in fact no virus has ever been isolated in the true sense of the word (i.e purified) and that when studies claim to show cytopathic effects from a virus culture what they are actually using is a toxic soup of material containing componants that would cause cell death without the need for any viral pathogen to be involved and that to avoid this being apparent, such studies fail to include the necessary control groups. Here’s a link containing further links that might be helpful if you want to explore this viewpoint in more detail: https://steemit.com/health/@johnblaid/research-summary-and-debunk-regarding-the-existence-of-sars-cov-2-and-covid-19

216078 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Fruitbat, #724 of 2423 🔗

Many thanks, I will read this through this evening, it’s clearly a very murky subject!

216507 ▶▶▶▶ Fruitbat, replying to Hieronimusb, 1, #725 of 2423 🔗

You are right, it is a murky subject indeed!

I first came across the suggestion that viruses have not been proven to exist in the late 1990s when I was looking into the controversy surrounding HIV/AIDS. I didn’t really look into it much further because very much like now, AIDS dissidents can be viewed as being divided into two camps; those who say that HIV exists but it is a harmless retrovirus (Duesburg et al.) and those who say that HIV has never been proven to exist (the Perth group et al.) I guess at the time I didn’t see it as that important because, once I understood that HIV had never been proven to cause AIDS, it didn’t seem to matter whether HIV existed or not.

It’s really only this year that I have felt sufficiently motivated to explore this concept further because of everything that has happened and, now that I have, I am convinced that this is an issue that needs to be taken extremely seriously by the scientific community because the ramifications from this are simply huge. I can only speak from my personal experience that once you’ve looked into this particular box in a serious way, it is just not possible to put the lid back on.

Two books I also found very helpful are: Fear of the Invisible – Janine Roberts and Virus Mania – Torsten Engelbrecht and Claus Köhnlein

215919 Les Tricoteuses, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 17, #726 of 2423 🔗

The most interesting thing about that reply from Jeremy Hunt was –

“The fact is we may never get a vaccine”

Mmm letting slip the truth for once there?

215971 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 9, #727 of 2423 🔗

We already knew that. The really interesting part is where he admits that they preparing a system of permanent surveillance – daily testing and freedom to leave your home conditional upon being clear.

Interesting and frightening.

215977 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to stewart, 9, #728 of 2423 🔗

All looks suspiciously like a scam to deliberately limit free movement for the masses, a key aim of all the elite climate change brigade, who believe travel should only be for them.

216643 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Darryl, 1, #729 of 2423 🔗

I always find it interesting when this mess is put down to some kind of climate change thing. Since public transport is now considered “unsafe”, I’ve seen fewer people on the bus and more people in cars. Basically, anyone who can afford a car will get one so that they don’t have to use the bus or train. How “green” is that?

Obviously, London is a different story, but most of the population lives outside the congestion zone.

217080 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lucky, replying to ConstantBees, #730 of 2423 🔗

Although they’re probably coming for the cars….

215925 Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 8, #731 of 2423 🔗

Just copied this from the gov.uk website about those places moving into tier 2:

In Oxford City, weekly case rates stand at 138 people per 100,000. This increases to 343 per 100,000 in those aged 17 to 21 and is 44 per 100,000 in the over-60s.

This seems like good news – the younger age group, whom I imagine are university students (as the university has only been back about 3-4 weeks) will be building up herd immunity. Hopefully they will ignore the tier change and just keep mixing. It is obvious that the 60+ age groups know how to take care of themselves.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/local-covid-alert-level-update-areas-moving-to-high

216015 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Ozzie, 6, #732 of 2423 🔗

We’re back into the same old same old : the meaningless nature of the term ‘case’.

215932 Eddie, replying to Eddie, 17, #733 of 2423 🔗

Oh man would I love to hop on a…a…oh well I guess I’ll be sailing across the Atlantic to get my spot at the B&B in Wales. Sounds fabulous!

Had myself one of those great moments last night with a complete stranger. Had just arrived at the grocery store and I pick up on a conversation behind me…guy says “and they’re even wearing the things outside…”
I turn smiling and say “I know eh…absolutely ridiculous!”
He’s with his girl and heading in the other direction but he smiles and says “yeah man, instant friends!”
The three of us were all bare faced and for a moment life returned to normal…until I saw a zombie approaching seconds later.

215954 ▶▶ steph, replying to Eddie, 15, #734 of 2423 🔗

Just saw a young woman with her two children. We were the only 2 unmasked adults in the shop. Smiles and pleasantries were exchanged. I don’t often see other humans indoors, except in my home, these days. It was lovely.

215938 rose, replying to rose, 21, #736 of 2423 🔗

How about this for a mask

215983 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to rose, 5, #737 of 2423 🔗

Good one! MINO – Mask In Name Only

216039 ▶▶ CGL, replying to rose, 1, #738 of 2423 🔗

Reminds me of that old advert, where the little boy was wearing a smaller version of the string vest his dad was wearing. They are looking for the car on the beach, and he says “it’s in the saaaand! Dad – I’m not ‘elping very much am I!”

216079 ▶▶ Charles W, replying to rose, 1, #739 of 2423 🔗

Nice one. I have a mask that is made out of an old towel. Never cleaned it. It’s a veritable health hazard. But it’s completely legal

216210 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Charles W, 4, #740 of 2423 🔗

Bin the towel! Just walk in confidently and overdo the smiling at everyone.
It works for me.
If asked say you’re exempt.
At first it was daunting but now it’s getting increasingly easy. Today I’ve been in Specsavers, the Coop and WHSmith where I asked an assistant to find a game of dominos for my grandson. She froze for a minute, thought she had seen an apparition but no it was a FACE !!
They work all day in masks so a face is now a weird sight. The‘ new normal’ is despicable.

216110 ▶▶ wat tyler, replying to rose, #741 of 2423 🔗

Hi Rose off topic .Left you a post on yesterdays before i realised the new page had started .Nothing special just saying your posters look great .So well done again.

216122 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to rose, 2, #742 of 2423 🔗

That’s pants.

215942 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 19, #743 of 2423 🔗

The rapists dad is creating a new criminal offence in Wales

‘Lying to a contract tracer’

WTF

They will have to find me first

215945 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Cecil B, 7, #744 of 2423 🔗

haha… How can a contract tracer contact you if you never leave your phone number?

215947 Jane G, replying to Jane G, #745 of 2423 🔗

Frustrating to follow a link in LS only to find it behind a Daily Telegraph paywall. Why does this happen when the article might be a few days old? You can’t buy old newspapers so can’t even catch up with it that way. Would love to read Dr John Lee’s article from 29th Oct but can only find the first sentence or so.

215958 ▶▶ steph, replying to Jane G, 1, #746 of 2423 🔗

There are many ways of getting round this. Try a search with the non-google search engine if your choice and you may see some.

215988 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Jane G, 4, #747 of 2423 🔗

Hit the Escape key twice as the Telegraph page is opening. You might have to try a few times while refreshing the page but it generally works.

216019 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Jane G, 1, #748 of 2423 🔗

Use Bitly.com then Outline.com

It should be fairly obvious how they work once you see them.

216227 ▶▶▶ Jane G, replying to Nobody2020, #749 of 2423 🔗

Thanks, folks! Good tips and will try all until it works.

216404 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Jane G, #750 of 2423 🔗

Press the “Reload” icon on the top line of Firefox, then as soon as the reload icon starts to rotate, press and hold the “Esc” key on your keyboard until the page reload has finished. Works a treat (temporarily disables Java).

215948 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 1, #751 of 2423 🔗

Is there any reporting of the Nolan case anywhere?

216012 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Cecil B, #752 of 2423 🔗
215949 flyingjohn, replying to flyingjohn, 10, #753 of 2423 🔗

On 27 October 2020 Lord Sumption delivered the 2020 Cambridge Freshfields Lecture entitled “Government by decree – Covid-19 and the Constitution”.

The disputes over Brexit last year saw an attempt to make the executive, not Parliament, the prime source of authority in the Constitution. The coronavirus crisis has provoked another attempt to marginalise Parliament, this time with the willing acquiescence of the House of Commons. Is this to be our future?

Lord Sumption is an author, historian and lawyer of note. He was appointed directly from the practising Bar to the Supreme Court, and served as a Supreme Court Justice from 2012-18. In 2019, he delivered the BBC Reith Lectures, “Law and the Decline of Politics”, and is now a regular commentator in the media. He continues to sit as a Non-Permanent Judge of the Hong Kong Court of Final Appeal. Alongside his career as a lawyer, he has also produced a substantial and highly-regarded narrative history of the Hundred Years’ War between England and France (with volume V still to come).

https://youtu.be/amDv2gk8aa0

216056 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to flyingjohn, 2, #754 of 2423 🔗

Brexit ongoing during the Coronavirus panic makes things wide open for total removal of basic rights. I mean, there so many people standing behind the prestige of their positions be it Lords, lawyers, politicians. And the moment has come for them to actually do what the fidnamental basis of their position calls for. Protect the fundamental freedoms of the people. Nowhere to be seen.

215960 ianric, replying to ianric, 2, #755 of 2423 🔗

There is a long running sarcastic joke about Covid being so deadly you have to be tested to see if you have it which implies testing should not be necessary in a severe illness with obvious symptoms. Does anyone know if it is common practice to carry out tests even in severe illnesses with clear symptoms such as Ebola.

216001 ▶▶ jb12, replying to ianric, 1, #756 of 2423 🔗

Yes, they test for Ebola. Incidentally, they use the PCR test, but Ebola only shows up after the onset of symptoms.

216034 ▶▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to jb12, 4, #757 of 2423 🔗

the symptoms are also quite noticeable and distinctive

216126 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to 6097 Smith W, 1, #758 of 2423 🔗

Can’t help wishing for a small outbreak in Westminster.

215967 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 25, #759 of 2423 🔗

Now getting an international clientele in the shop: Angela Merkel, or at least that’s what the Trap n Trace said 😉

215981 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to kh1485, 2, #760 of 2423 🔗

Sehr gut !

215990 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to kh1485, 4, #761 of 2423 🔗

Careful, she’s ex-Stasi (her father moved the family from West to East Germany!).

216022 ▶▶ DressageRider, replying to kh1485, 2, #762 of 2423 🔗

Your fame is spreading!

216030 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to kh1485, 6, #763 of 2423 🔗

And just now: George Orwell!

216267 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to kh1485, 3, #764 of 2423 🔗

George Orwell

Nah, K; that’s definitely fake! I know that bloke; his real’s name is Eric Blair. I’d report him to the cops if I were you. 😉

216032 ▶▶ CGL, replying to kh1485, 5, #765 of 2423 🔗

You should keep your ‘autograph’ book and put it up for auction when this fiasco is over – you’d raise a fortune with all those famous people signing it!

216046 ▶▶ Edward, replying to kh1485, 2, #766 of 2423 🔗

Did she order bratwurst?

216119 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to kh1485, 2, #767 of 2423 🔗

Angela Merkel and one million others?

216124 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to kh1485, 2, #768 of 2423 🔗

Six degrees of separation.

216268 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to kh1485, 2, #769 of 2423 🔗

Extra uptick for ‘Trap and Trace’. 🙂

215973 Dan Clarke, 31, #770 of 2423 🔗

If we didnt watch tv or read msm, we wouldnt know that their ‘virus’ was still around. The only reminder are the muzzle wearers, strange that.

215993 Liam, replying to Liam, 8, #771 of 2423 🔗

I would absolutely love to get to the Lockdown retreat in Wales, will try my damndest.

215999 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Liam, 5, #772 of 2423 🔗

Love, love, love it! If I could tolerate a mask for an overseas flight (I can’t) I’d so enjoy supporting a fellow sceptic and socializing with normal people. Perhaps one day…

216017 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 4, #773 of 2423 🔗

If I had a hot air balloon, I’d pop over to give you a lift.

216024 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 1, #774 of 2423 🔗

I’m the same re flights Lisa. It’s difficult for me to get away due to family responsibilities, but I have started to look at ferries to Sweden as it would sidestep the mask problem. How are things in Toronto right now? I’ve an aunt that lives there but sadly she’s fully on board with the madness.

216239 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Liam, 1, #775 of 2423 🔗

I’m in Toronto now, as of yesterday afternoon, but am heading back to the country tomorrow. To be honest, I haven’t left the house! I’m going to see my family later and will get a full dose of masked zombies everywhere, which always gets my blood pressure up. The compliance is 100% and my sense is people are more like your aunt and on board with the madness. Our indoor dining has been shut down and so have gyms. Our mayor is mumbling on about how we really need to try to get these businesses re-opened in November but I haven’t seen a plan for doing so. I knew after the first 2 weeks of “flattening the curve” there was never an exit plan. I only wish we’d have sold our Toronto condo sooner than a few weeks ago; we would have probably lost less money. I’ll be back one more time to pack before we leave Toronto for good (other than visits with family and friends) — I can’t bear to live here and watch the city I love go down the tubes. I think most major cities are dying a slow death…well, maybe not so slow.

216016 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Liam, 2, #776 of 2423 🔗

Pleas come! The ‘lockdown’ will be over on the 9th (at least in its current incarnation). And in the meantime, it’s easy to pop over the border to grab ‘inessentials’, as I’ve done on numerous occasions.

Had a walk along the canal this morning, flanked by golden Autumn trees, and it’s easy to forget that there’s a mad, mad world out there.

216026 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Mr Dee, #777 of 2423 🔗

I’ll do what I can, I think it would give me new strength.

216163 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Mr Dee, 5, #778 of 2423 🔗

We were on a wild beach this morning.Vast open space, thundering waves, colourful rocks (we did some anateur geologising), golden sand, friendly dog walkers, gulls swooping, oyster catchers catching, limpets limpetting, a few families having fun.

Stuff lockdown.
Mother Nature for me.

And another escape route: learn something new. An hour of New Testament Greek will. drive Covvie right out of your head. (Thank you, thank you, Steve!)

216027 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Liam, 3, #779 of 2423 🔗

Yes – it looks amazing! Love to go at some point too – hope they are rammed full every night (except when we want to book of course)

216029 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to CGL, 2, #780 of 2423 🔗

Hope some swine doesn’t try and get them shut down.

216008 Edward Lear, replying to Edward Lear, #781 of 2423 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-SwbhDIdxY

This based on a sample of more than 4 million people, not 86000 which the doommongers at Imperial are basing their predictions on. Tim Spector is measured, reassuring and best of all, based on accurate data. Is this being reported in the msm? Not that I can see!

216084 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Edward Lear, #782 of 2423 🔗

On the positive side I think the Zoe Covid symptom study is well regarded by the government…

216010 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 6, #783 of 2423 🔗

Muslims now protesting outside the French Embassy in London

Presumably the organisers will get a 10K fine and the police will soon be laying into them with batons

No thought not

Mr K will have something to say about this won’t he?

No thought not

https://www.ruptly.tv/en/events/202010301100-LIVE5216-Muslims-gather-for-Friday-prayers-outside-French-Embassy-in-London

216048 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 3, #784 of 2423 🔗

It says something when we have to get our news from the Russians. What’s going on?

216099 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Cecil B, #785 of 2423 🔗

The first protest was initially only reported by RT.

216083 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, #786 of 2423 🔗

The police follow them round like lap dogs

216120 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Cecil B, 1, #787 of 2423 🔗

“Should we kneel, or is that the other lot? Are you the ones where we have to cover the tits on the statues?”

216025 Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, #788 of 2423 🔗

Just came across this:

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/showbiz/katie-hopkins-under-fire-after-22923018

Some of the comments in the article are priceless:

Speaking to the publication, a passenger who wished to remain anonymous said: “She went through the whole flight without wearing a mask. It was ridiculous and not a flight you wanted to be on.

and

Face coverings have been made mandatory on public transport, such as airliners since June but people are allowed to change them every four hours .

A statement released by British Airways on the official guidelines states: “We require you to wear a face mask at all times. As a guide they last up to four hours, so bring enough for the duration of your trip.”

The best part of the article was this:

After Sainsbury’s said they would not be challenging shoppers going into stores as “they may have a reason not to wear a mask”. Katie hailed the supermarket chain “little legends”.

216037 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Ozzie, #789 of 2423 🔗

“Up to” is doing a lot of work in those BA guidelines

216262 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Ozzie, 3, #790 of 2423 🔗

As a guide they last up to four hours…

I’m imagining a panicking passenger (who only brought one mask) on a long-haul flight running up and down the aisle screaming, “Help! My mask has stopped working! Has anyone got a spare mask; I don’t want to die!”

216033 NappyFace, replying to NappyFace, 2, #791 of 2423 🔗

Some great headlines today telling us that the pressure is piling on Boris, as calls grow for another full nationwide lockdown.

Sounds like an entirely sensible and proportionate response to me.

People are dying out there. Dying I tell you.

216040 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NappyFace, #792 of 2423 🔗
216036 tinxx, replying to tinxx, 13, #793 of 2423 🔗

I just wanted to share my “Feedback” to the ONS on their planned upgrade to the Covid-19 data site with regard to hospital deaths in particular. – see https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/deaths

These charts have been highlighted here in recent days and the manner in which the deaths by reporting date have been pushed – to emphasise a figure above 300 a day – as opposed to the deaths by date of death is a particular concern. Now, the ONS encourage feedback on their experimental planned “new dashboard”. Bottom line is that it looks very much like an attempt to spin smooth line charts as a default into the press, suppress the differences between actual and reported dates and be better able to massage the news headlines through reporting dates. FWIW this was my feedback to them – others may want to take a similar look:

1: Why have you abandoned the top chart on deaths by date of death and replaced it with the deaths by reported date and relegated the former top chart to an additional link page back to the existing site?
2: This data is now being presented differently. The reporting day data is erratic by its very nature but  this is now misleading as it is being presented as a smooth trend line when the existing site makes very clear it is anything but.
3: Statistically these are discrete daily datasets so should be presented as a column chart -not a continuous line. A moving average is a helpful visual guide but is not an actual data point. The new chart implies that it is which is misleading.
4: You should also label the chart clearly as deaths by report date -as the current site does – currently it just says deaths. This implies that there is no difference between the datasets collected where the current site makes a very clear distinction for very good reasons.
The new site would appear to be seeking to suppress the more  important and statistically robust data on actual date of death and promote the reported date “trend” when the historical data record would argue very strongly against doing so.

This is a poorly designed update. It misrepresents the data, hides important data and promotes poorer quality data and mislabels it. Please seriously reconsider this.

216253 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to tinxx, #794 of 2423 🔗

Nice! Quite a few here on LS have provided feedback.

This is a poorly designed update. It misrepresents the data, hides important data and promotes poorer quality data and mislabels it.

You are 100% correct, it is.

My feedback was a lot longer than yours; I took them to task on just about everything, item by item.

One thing it might be worth pointing out, though; just about all the data on there comes from PHE and the NHS, not the ONS.

216038 Ellis Bell, replying to Ellis Bell, 4, #795 of 2423 🔗

RE: Police Have No Power to Ruin Christmas
I’ve also researched and according to Commons Library Briefing, 28 October 2020 the rules for England & Wales (Section 3.4 Entry) available https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9024/

“Police officers have powers to enter private property in limited circumstances, but they cannot use them to enter private property without consent to enforce the coronavirus restrictions regulations.

Without a relevant power of entry, the ability of the police to enforce some of the English regulations is limited. The police would require the consent of those they suspect are breaching coronavirus regulations in their homes to enter the property. If the police cannot enter a property legally, it is unlikely they would be able to establish if a rule is being broken and enforce it if it has.

Welsh officers have a new power of entry they can use to enforce lockdown restrictions. Welsh officers can enter someone’s home without permission when they have “reasonable grounds” to suspect someone is breaking a lockdown law and consider it necessary.Officers can use reasonable force to enter property in these circumstances.”

Not great news for the residents of Wales…

216044 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Ellis Bell, 3, #796 of 2423 🔗

That’s because a rapists dad is in charge

216095 ▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to Cecil B, 2, #797 of 2423 🔗

Duckfart has a dodgy kiddie? Imagine that, a Welsh poundshop Biden

216045 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Ellis Bell, 4, #798 of 2423 🔗

What is the legal basis for this power? Why are the legal profession not all over it, as they are when attempts are made to prevent decapitators from roaming the streets exercising their rights?

216050 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #799 of 2423 🔗

Is there any money in it for them?

216062 ▶▶▶ Ellis Bell, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #800 of 2423 🔗

The same legal basis we and Parliament let slide in without so much as a whimper.

The Health Protection (Coronavirus Restrictions) (No. 3) (Wales) Regulations 2020 https://www.legislation.gov.uk/wsi/2020/1149/regulation/27/made

216081 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #801 of 2423 🔗

Starmer is a human rights lawyer, or was, yet where is his opposition to all this idiocy?

216117 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #802 of 2423 🔗

He tried to get Corbyn elected Prime Minister twice. Enough said.

216051 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Ellis Bell, 2, #803 of 2423 🔗

Let the Welsh officers try. That’s all I can say.

216156 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #804 of 2423 🔗

Seconded.

216041 Jo, replying to Jo, 25, #805 of 2423 🔗

So – we are possibly going to be “allowed” to have Xmas in between two lockdowns.

Can you imagine – if we had a deadly global pandemic and needed to lockdown (and I’ve said it before, if it was Ebola they wouldn’t need to lockdown, just give truthful factual information and everyone would stay at home) – why would the lockdowns be stopped over a festival so families could meet and spread the virus? It is beyond beyond satire.

And while I’m here – if you have a “substantial meal” the virus will leave you alone. What about obesity? Can’t I have a snack of a salad?

216054 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Jo, 10, #806 of 2423 🔗

You’re underestimating Covie’s ability to take the long view. He will leave you alone while you consume any number of substantial meals, confident that the ultimate result will be a very fat person upon whom he can prey.

216057 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Alethea, 3, #807 of 2423 🔗

a devious virus

216076 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Dan Clarke, 7, #808 of 2423 🔗

A devious virus that doesn’t attack you if you are sitting down, but God help you if you’re standing or walking!!

216080 ▶▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Bella Donna, 5, #809 of 2423 🔗

you’re still not appreciating Covie’s plan. If you’re sitting down, you are less likely to be burning calories and therefore approaching a state of obesity more quickly than someone moving around.

216091 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Alethea, 3, #810 of 2423 🔗

Covie fattening up his victims! Makes as much sense as the rest of the mythology.

216152 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Alethea, 2, #811 of 2423 🔗

But he is opposed to the Demon Drink.
One demon distrusts another.

216069 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Jo, 12, #812 of 2423 🔗

Lockdown over Xmas would unacceptably undermine government authority since so many people would ignore it and break the rules, then realise that in fact nothing awful happened, the government have no real power and they can continue to ignore it forthwith.

216097 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #813 of 2423 🔗

Yes, totally agree. They are so cynical

216071 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Jo, 3, #814 of 2423 🔗

A substantial meal is dependent upon the size of your pizza.

216075 ▶▶▶ Tony Prince, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #815 of 2423 🔗

Thought size doesn’t matter…..

216155 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Tony Prince, 4, #816 of 2423 🔗

Pizza envy is a terrible thing to suffer from.

216405 ▶▶ John K, replying to Jo, 2, #817 of 2423 🔗

Expecting to get some down votes for this, but I hope we are told we can’t see family at Christmas because this will be point a lot of the wanksock loving Joe Public will say no more, stop hiding behind their masks and bloody do something about the shit storm we are enduring.

216052 sky_trees, replying to sky_trees, 5, #818 of 2423 🔗

I don’t trust the Recovery group. Apart from their diverse ‘ordinary people’ images (no white males in sight), someone else mentioned on here they involve woke sounding organisations – arts, charities, etc, the usual suspects. It is a hunch for now but I wouldn’t be surprised it is a woke breeding ground and so I am extremely cautious.

I’ll take any anti lockdown organisations and won’t advise others what to do, but I won’t lend my direct support to ones that endorse woke nonsense. With this particular group, I personally need more information first.

216065 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to sky_trees, 14, #819 of 2423 🔗

But the woke nonsense may well tempt people over from the other side, hence the Guardian’s willingness to run it as a story the other day. For me at the moment, wokeness takes second place to the threat from lockdowns and authoritarianism (although I accept that the two are linked). Anything that will introduce the concept of lockdowns not being the best thing since sliced bread to a new audience is a good thing in my book.

216070 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to A. Contrarian, 12, #820 of 2423 🔗

I agree

As I posted earlier in reply to AidanR:

You may be right about how it could end up, but right now we need all the help we can get and making it a very mainstream, diverse, partly left-wing, box-ticking group at least in name if not in reality, makes it harder to attack. If you look at some of the people who have spoken against this nonsense and you look at the basis on which they are attacked by MSM and pro-lockdown people, the “smears” are partly conspiracy theorist stuff and partly that they are “far right” – Hitchens, Toby Young are attacked for being libertarians, eugenicists, euthanists, Dolan is attacked for being rich and living in Monaco, others in business are attacked for putting profit before people. All unjust and silly of course, but it sticks.

I suppose one worry is that Recovery becomes the “leading” anti lockdown movement and the government “deals” with them by making concessions that further other agendas and pays only lip service to really ending this nonsense. When I wrote to them, I did point out that the “5 demands” are a bit vague and could be weaselled around – stuff like “have a proper debate about how we deal with covid” – we know what the only sensible answer is, but the danger is they compromise too much. I would rather have seen them say straight out that masks and all the other restrictions are obviously futile and damaging and must end NOW. But that’s harder to sell.

Hard to know how much to compromise, and when.

216093 ▶▶▶▶ Jenny, replying to Julian, 3, #821 of 2423 🔗

Wise words Julian. I agree.

216107 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Julian, 3, #822 of 2423 🔗

Having watched the Dr Mike Yeadon interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y51GICqL9E
and hearing his endorsement of Recovery, I’m persuaded that it might be a good thing to support, if HE says so.

216109 ▶▶▶▶ Ricky R, replying to Julian, 1, #823 of 2423 🔗

Very well said!

216112 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Julian, #824 of 2423 🔗

Of those 5 demands ‘public enqiry’ would be never be tolerated.

216138 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to calchas, 1, #825 of 2423 🔗

I would love to see a meaningful public enquiry, but in some ways a climbdown by the government, if it led to a general acceptance that a mistake had been made, would be more important. If the public believe they have been had it will be harder to sell the same pup the next time.

216148 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to calchas, 3, #826 of 2423 🔗

On the contrary, there absolutely will be a public inquiry, probably several. It’s just that, as with Iraq, it will be carried out by a “safe pair of hands” who basically shares the panicker motives, attitudes and beliefs concerning reality.

216353 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Julian, #827 of 2423 🔗

Well said!

216074 ▶▶▶ sky_trees, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #828 of 2423 🔗

Yes, I do see this point and so am glad they exist. But cultural woke issues are as important to me as anti lockdown and on a personal level, one cancels the other out. But in broader terms, the more anti lockdown the better.

216136 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to sky_trees, 2, #829 of 2423 🔗

If by “cultural woke issues” you mean suppression of the freedom of speech I agree it’s the biggest apart from covid, and arguably part of the same dismal trend

216184 ▶▶▶▶▶ sky_trees, replying to Julian, #830 of 2423 🔗

I mean this obsession with viewing people through simplistic group lenses such as race or gender, and then ranking those groups in terms of privilege and suffering and deciding whom you like and dislike based on that. In other words, bigotry.

216215 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to sky_trees, #831 of 2423 🔗

Yes, all of that is very negative and I think is closely linked to freedom of speech, and to seeing issues in terms of like-dislike rather than makes sense/doesn’t make sense e.g. I hate Trump, so everything he says is bad so HCQ is bad, and he dislikes masks so I love masks and anyone who doesn’t is a terrible Trump supporter and a BAD PERSON.

216116 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #832 of 2423 🔗

I agree. Got to be tactical as well as strategic.

216085 ▶▶ pmdl, replying to sky_trees, 2, #833 of 2423 🔗

The best way to control the oppostion is to create and lead it. Very old game plan.

216113 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to pmdl, 1, #834 of 2423 🔗

I don’t think that’s what’s happened here, pmdl.
This seems to me to be genuine opposition. The gov hasn’t got time to run a controlled opposition – it’s having trouble holding onto control of the main story, let along controlling the opposing story.
For example, listen to this 5 minute video of a member of Recovery, she’s great
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEIXYINuNeI

216347 ▶▶▶▶ pmdl, replying to Rosie, #835 of 2423 🔗

I really hope that you are right. We need all the help we can get.

216118 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to sky_trees, 1, #836 of 2423 🔗

On question like this, sky, I turn to The Lord of the Rings for insight.
Disparate groups of people worked together sufficiently well against an overwhelming common enemy, and they operated in small groups of friends who were networked together. This ‘business model’ is used by BLM and many other similar groups to great effect. We can learn from them.

216128 ▶▶▶ sky_trees, replying to Rosie, #837 of 2423 🔗

That’s fair enough. That’s why I am happy for others to join Recovery but my spidey senses are saying be careful.

216162 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Rosie, 1, #838 of 2423 🔗

I agree. I joined my local Keep Britain Free because I’m a sceptic and I’ve heard so many notions I can’t agree with at the meetings. I won’t stop going though. The fact that we’re all united in a common purpose is far more important. If Recovery’s soft approach brings in SM & Guardian readers that’s a good thing.

216350 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to sky_trees, #839 of 2423 🔗

All the people involved in Recovery are also rich – they don’t need to worry about where their income is going to come from. There is no risk involved for them…they may be merely controlled opposition…

216067 RickH, replying to RickH, #840 of 2423 🔗

Toby’s ‘Tories For Corbyn’ campaign, designed to wreck the Labour Party by propelling Corbyn to victor in 2015, is the gift that keeps on giving”

Remember Pastor Niemoller’s words before cheering too loud at Corbyn’s defenestration.

216146 ▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 3, #841 of 2423 🔗

Funny how your lot didn’t think about that when they were busy defenestrating “racists”, “homophobes” and all the rest of the political correctness speech- and thought-criminals.

Hilarious, in a bitter kind of way. Turns out, what goes around, comes around. Turns out all that stuff about “first they came for..” was right. It’s just the likes of Corbyn et al were too stupid or hypocritical to actually believe what they were solemnly intoning.

216077 ▶▶ pmdl, replying to Cecil B, 2, #843 of 2423 🔗

So coercion, threats, fraud and force are not the only thing the UK GOV can pull, they are now into bribery. Cash for confinement, cash for cases (testing)

216104 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Cecil B, #844 of 2423 🔗

So bringing it into line with England? Or have they managed to one-up that?

216092 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 8, #845 of 2423 🔗

Seen on Tw1tt3r: “The government is losing its donors as fast as it is losing its voters. That suggests to me that they don’t care what happens in 2024.For a politician to knowingly end their career means they’re clearly getting something worthwhile for it. The question is- WHAT?” Are we still following the money?

216101 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #846 of 2423 🔗

Obviously, the threat of being”toast” is a hollow one so far as they’re concerned. No GE in the future, in the form we’d understand? Or will they all jump ship?

216098 Banjones, 2, #847 of 2423 🔗

I’ve just watched this interview (the link was on the main page). It is WELL worth half an hour of anyone’s time. I’ve share it as far as I can – I hope everyone else will too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y51GICqL9E

216103 l835, replying to l835, 9, #848 of 2423 🔗

Have I missed something? Local pet shop signs now say “ Mandatory face protection must be worn to enter premises” What happens when you go in? Complimentary snack in the gob?!

216121 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to l835, 4, #849 of 2423 🔗

Defund them.

216129 ▶▶ Margaret, replying to l835, 21, #850 of 2423 🔗

Birthday lunch today at a rural pub on the edge of the Peak District.
Board outside welcoming us and reminding us to be kind to those who can’t wear masks. Two lovely, smiling girls greeted us, both of them wearing lanyards.
The whole experience was totally relaxed and erm…….normal.
Fantastic food too. Thanks Reform Inn.

216141 ▶▶ Ossettian, replying to l835, #851 of 2423 🔗

Doesn’t that mean:

1) Only those who are too dim to claim an exemption need to wear a mask to enter; and

2) They can take it off once they’re inside?

216123 DRW, replying to DRW, 6, #852 of 2423 🔗

Feeling down again today but there was an unmuzzled guy on a bus earlier, on the back seats too- although I don’t think that bus is bothered about those. Some very small good news that not quite everyone has been taken in.

216125 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to DRW, 9, #853 of 2423 🔗

Follow Toby’s advice and buy a ‘Stay Sane’ badge. If one of us sees it they’ll know what it means.
https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/885168967/stay-sane-badges-pack-of-three-badges?ref=shop_home_active_1&frs=1
If someone aggressive sees it you just state that

50% of any profits to YoungMinds charity

216143 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Rosie, 3, #854 of 2423 🔗

That’s great. Thanks for the link. This is my retort to anyone who wishes me to “stay safe”

216259 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Rosie, 1, #855 of 2423 🔗

Nice one – hadn’t noticed those. Ordered!

216520 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Rosie, 1, #856 of 2423 🔗

I just out in an order.Will be looking out for other wearers.Pass, friend!

216616 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Rosie, #857 of 2423 🔗

Thanks! Just ordered.

216131 guy153, replying to guy153, 3, #858 of 2423 🔗

So how many people have symptoms and test negative? I think this is an important question because it tells us how other viruses are doing compared to Covid. If they’re performing a lot better it shows that Covid levels are what they are because of herd immunity and not because of NPIs.

I’ve found where the ONS used to report on this, and they’ve subtly stopped mentioning it since July.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19infectionsinthecommunityinengland/july2020

If you look at Section 6:

Of those reporting any evidence of symptoms of COVID-19 from either question, 4.32% (95% confidence interval: 2.87% to 6.22%) were tested positive on a swab test. By comparison, the infection rate for those not reporting any symptoms was much lower at 0.25% (95% confidence interval: 0.20% to 0.31%).

When narrowing down to those reporting specifically having a cough or fever, or loss of taste or smell on the day of testing, 10.13% (95% confidence interval: 5.90% to 15.92%) tested positive for COVID-19. This compares with an estimate of 0.28% of those who did not report having these specific symptoms on the day of their positive test (95% confidence interval: 0.22% to 0.34%).

In other words, in July 9 out of 10 people with Covid symptoms did not have Covid, implying very strongly that herd immunity was having much more effect than NPIs– people were still giving each other viruses , just not SARS2.

But since July they’ve only been reporting on the number of people who tested positive who have symptoms (it’s usually about 40%). This is interesting too, but not nearly as much.

I’d like to know what that ratio is now.

216139 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to guy153, 1, #859 of 2423 🔗

That’s a good indication of where we would be if they had lower CT levels on the tests, double testing at least and more clinically diagnosed elements to overall assessment of cases. It would be nothing in cases terms. Then we’d not be talking about a pandemic but NHS funding. As we always do.

216133 2 pence, 1, #860 of 2423 🔗
216134 calchas, replying to calchas, 5, #861 of 2423 🔗

“As you will no doubt know, Europe is heading back to total lockdown everywhere. Eastern Europe has been the worst, actually. They’ve gone totally tyrannical, ever since September.

Masks mandatory everywhere (incl. on the streets, parks, etc), cafes, restaurants, all culture, many/most shops and “non-essential” businesses now closed in most areas, and total lockdown in places like Czech Republic, Slovakia, Slovenia, etc.
There have been some small-scale demonstrations in recent weeks in Bratislava, Prague, Poland, etc – and the cops (and in some cases military) have used brutal force against the peaceful protesters (water cannons, tear gas, firing rubber bullets, etc). In Slovakia, they’ve threatened to jail people who participated, because in “state of emergency” long jail penalties can be given to anyone disobeying the rules that ban public/social gatherings, etc.

Also, Slovakia is doing mandatory “covid” testing of the entire population (except kids under 10 years of age)! It’s not technically mandatory BUT, anyone who will not have the document attesting a negative test result (which people must carry with themselves at all time in case they’re stopped by police, and also to be able to go to work or enter any shop) will be deemed “positive” and not allowed to leave home at all! So, if you don’t get tested, you’re screwed – not able to go to work, to buy anything in a store, or even to leave home because cops will be patrolling and asking for the document.”

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/europes-current-economy/is-europe-deliberately-crushing-their-economy-for-the-great-reset/

216135 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to calchas, 9, #862 of 2423 🔗

Europe is intent on pushing the Great Reset, using this virus as the justification to crush the economy to force people to ACCEPT their Guaranteed Basic Income and to usher in the Great Reset. Instead of revising the system properly, they have taken the totalitarian approach to retain power. I seriously question if there will be any elections post-2024 and there is a high probability that we will see international war by 2027.

I am confident that the UK is going to follow suit in all of the above.

216403 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Richard O, #863 of 2423 🔗

The UK government might well try. Only death and taxes, etc.

216263 ▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to calchas, 1, #864 of 2423 🔗

apparently the testing plan isn’t going well as they don’t have enough staff or lab capacity

Now who could have predicted that

216739 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to calchas, #865 of 2423 🔗

Slovakia, negative test required Is there anything how often they need to repeat tests? Testing them once and saying you ok for the rest of your life, I would actually consider a test.
The policy is of course total bollocks, as I can walk out of the testing place and get infected.
Everyday I wonder how stupid these people are to come up with these rules. How stupid are you anyway, but have we not learned by now that this measures do not work? How stupid are you?
Should have avoided reading this, my blood is boiling!

216142 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 4, #866 of 2423 🔗

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/30/conspiracy-not-covid-strategy-deeply-sinister/
looks interesting from the few words I could read behind the paywall

216150 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #867 of 2423 🔗

Comments are interesting, one of the commentators says the survival rate is about 20%…

PJW Holland
30 Oct 2020 3:35PM
Oh dear! Journalistic standards!

A piece that begins with a false assumption and then bases everything that follows on that false assumption is not worth the paper it is written on… or storage capacity.

There is no evidence the survival rate is 99%. Estimates vary but the ones I have heard are more like 20% . GAGO applies to this piece.

216182 ▶▶▶ wayno, replying to captainbeefheart, #868 of 2423 🔗

He does get called out on it though

216231 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #869 of 2423 🔗

Obviously he’s been tripping over bodies in the street.

… but this, even if extreme, shows where brainwashing can end up in terms of frying small brains.

216151 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to crimsonpirate, 6, #870 of 2423 🔗

In the middle of the article, the author says:

“We really are in dangerous territory now, and there are two concerns that I just can’t shake off.

The first is our Government’s continued refusal to paint a balanced picture of the ongoing situation. Statistics which put into perspective the small number of deaths now compared to at the peak of the pandemic, and indeed to the normal number of deaths we can expect to see at this time of year, are available; but they are not presented at Professor Chris Whitty’s weekly addresses to the nation. They are buried in lengthy Public Health England reports which most ordinary people won’t seek out.

SAGE, meanwhile, has free licence to broadcast grandiose predictions across every TV and radio in Britain, based on models that have been proven wrong time and time again. This team has now had the best part of a year to prove itself worthy of such an influential platform. Enough.

Second, and arguably worse, is the near-censorship of dissenting scientific views as a result of regulatory body Ofcom’s ‘coronavirus guidelines’, which effectively blocks the media from publishing professional, accredited, expert analysis – debate even – that doesn’t tow SAGE’s party line.

Enough prominent, frustrated scientists this month banded together to launch The Great Barrington Declaration ; a petition drawn up by professors at Oxford, Harvard and Stanford, and backed by tens of thousands of epidemiologists, public health scientists, and at least one Nobel Prize winner.”

216235 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Ozzie, 6, #871 of 2423 🔗

I really don’t want to be that guy but as the article is from the Senior Content Editor at the Telegraph I can’t bite my lip. It’s “toe the line” not “tow the line”. I hate myself now.

216397 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Achilles, #872 of 2423 🔗

Nah, well done Achilles – we still need to maintain standards.

216335 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Ozzie, #873 of 2423 🔗

Who wrote the article?

216193 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to crimsonpirate, #875 of 2423 🔗

I tried the approach someone suggested earlier: keep reloading the page then press escape key. Worked for me on the fourth attempt.

216202 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Basileus, #876 of 2423 🔗

Are you using firefox?

216275 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #877 of 2423 🔗

She’s good:
Conspiracy or not, this Covid strategy is deeply sinister We are still being discouraged from asking simple questions and engaging in honest debate
ANNABEL FENWICK ELLIOTT
SENIOR CONTENT EDITOR

216144 annie, replying to annie, 35, #878 of 2423 🔗

You can’t be too careful.

Our Church of the Great God Covid is offering a Covid-compliant Covidmas dinner that you can purchase and enjoy in the safety of your own under-bed space.
This revolting prospect reminded me that they still have the money I paid for the Easter lunch that never was.
So I’m going to get my money back. But safely.

Part of my letter to the treasurer:

As by your own admission you, like the rest of the congregation, are an ambulant bag of infectious virus which should on no account come into contact with healthy human beings, I should be grateful if you would observe the following precautions when making out and posting the cheque.

1. Sanitise your hands and put on a clean new three-ply face nappy .Do NOT touch the nappy with your hands, and make sure that it fits tightly round your face so that no breath can escape.

2. Put on sterile plastic gloves.

3. Sterilise the pen and cheque book.

4. Write out the cheque. DO NOT bring your face close to the cheque while writing. DO NOT inhale or exhale while writing.

5. Remove and dispose of the contaminated nappy and gloves. Sanitise your hands. Put on a fresh nappy. Secure tightly. Put on a fresh pair of gloves.

6, Sterilise an envelope. Write my address on it. DO NOT inhale or exhale while writing.

7. Sterilise a stamp. Attach stamp to envelope.

8. Take cheque. Insert in envelope. Seal envelope. USE STERILISED DISTILLED WATER TO MOISTEN THE GUM. ON NO ACCOUNT ARE YOU TO USE SALIVA.

9. Remove contaminated face nappy and gloves. Remove and disinfect all your clothes. Wash yourself thoroughly in a hot antiseptic bath.

10. Dress in fresh sterile clothes. Put on a new face nappy and fresh sterile gloves.

11. Take sealed envelope in tongs. DO NOT BREATHE ANYWHERE NEAR THE ENVELOPE.

12. Walk to post box, carrying envelope in tongs at the maximum possible distance from your body.

13. Insert envelope in post box. DO NOT BREATHE DURING THIS OPERATION.

As I shall have to leave the envelope in a sealed sterile chamber for 48 hours on receipt to ensure that it is not contaminated, I should be gratfeful if you would commence the above process as soon as possible.

Yours sincerely

Annie

216154 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to annie, 7, #879 of 2423 🔗

For a real laugh why not ask them to include a complimentary copy of their new scripture i.e. The Satanic Bible by Anton LaVey (sterilised and shrink-wrapped of course)?

216254 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to annie, 5, #880 of 2423 🔗

I arrived home this afternoon to find a begging letter from our local church! 10/10 for sheer cheek.

216321 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to annie, 3, #881 of 2423 🔗

Lol x 1000
That was beauty Annie, thank you!!

216354 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to annie, 2, #882 of 2423 🔗

I almost feel sorry for the recipient… almost

216515 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Alethea, 2, #883 of 2423 🔗

You wouldn’t if you knew our church.

217066 ▶▶ Lucky, replying to annie, 1, #884 of 2423 🔗

Brilliant!

217425 ▶▶ James007, replying to annie, 1, #885 of 2423 🔗

Our local church is planning a drive-in Carol service for Christmas. If I’m not going to be allowed to talk to anyone or hear anyone else singing, might as well make do with Carol’s from King’s.

216157 chaos, replying to chaos, 5, #886 of 2423 🔗

Thoughts #237
Wanksock Hancock masturbates over a future where you ‘hot bed’ your home like they do on oil rigs and your front room becomes a hot conference zoom room whilst you are down on the (wind) farm or delivering deliveroo locust burgers.

216348 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to chaos, 1, #887 of 2423 🔗

this dystopian comedy seam that you have struck is a rich vein indeed

216158 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 6, #888 of 2423 🔗

With the Crashout-in-all-but-name Brexit a mere nine weeks away the masterstroke Borisian strategy is now clear:

– blame business and industry for all failures, disruption, shortages and loss of employment

– ensure that you are locked down in your homes where you can be safely ignored while you starve or go insane, or both, quietly.

216167 ▶▶ James Marker, replying to Stuart, 10, #889 of 2423 🔗

To be fair, the people pushing for the toughest lockdown – Starmer, Sturgeon, Drakeford – are all leftists and remainers

216223 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to James Marker, -6, #890 of 2423 🔗

Simple-minded, one-eyed wish-fulfilment politics is a bit daft, given that this shit-show is primarily the product of right-wing Brexiteer Tories.

216327 ▶▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to RickH, 2, #891 of 2423 🔗

These Tories might support Brexit, but right-wing they’re not…although there are signs that they’re rowing back on the woke Left ideology.
And plenty of Labour-support working class voted for Brexit.

216458 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Lms23, #892 of 2423 🔗

I don’t think it matters where on the spectrum it sits. On a personal level it results in a small cabal of elites telling us what’s good for us.

A true living nightmare is where we are headed.

216159 AnotherSceptic, 3, #893 of 2423 🔗
216160 chaos, replying to chaos, 9, #894 of 2423 🔗

Thoughts #238
The mainstream are really pushing Rishi as PM eh? First brown PM. Another government stuffed with Goldman Sachs peebs. You can have any government you like as long as it studied PPE or similar and worked for Goldschild Sachs.

216219 ▶▶ RickH, replying to chaos, 4, #895 of 2423 🔗

The agenda is clear. Starmer is the alternative establishment-friendly clone.

216328 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to chaos, #896 of 2423 🔗

They really think we are stupid and that we like him because he has been giving ‘free’ money for the last 6 months.. Also because he is not white…

Rishi is NOT ‘one of us plebs’…

216161 rose, replying to rose, 14, #897 of 2423 🔗

The poster I posted on yesterday’s page

216270 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to rose, 1, #898 of 2423 🔗

Thank you Rose. I had just been telling someone about your poster and hoped to find it again. How do I download and printout please someone explain to me (I’m useless at tech)

216390 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Rosie, #899 of 2423 🔗

Right click it, then ‘Save Image as’. Open it on your computer and click Print.

216164 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 30, #900 of 2423 🔗

A little bit of hope/joy.
A bloke is just moving in to one of the neighbouring flats so I introduced myself, “Pleased to meet you” he said and warmly shook my hand, ” A fellow sceptic ?” I asked.
To be honest, he was non committal; but to shake somebody’s hand after all these months!!!!
I hope that doesn’t sound too sad.

216166 ▶▶ Wilf79, replying to Fingerache Philip., 6, #901 of 2423 🔗

not sad at all…xx

216170 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Wilf79, 1, #902 of 2423 🔗

Thanks, Wilf.

216171 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Fingerache Philip., 13, #903 of 2423 🔗

Philip, I am rather afraid that when I next get to shake someone’s hand I will have great difficulty letting it go again. I pity the first person I hug (and I’m not really a hugger). Not sad at all.

216178 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Charlie Blue, 18, #904 of 2423 🔗

I hope again to feel some boobs. Nothing to do with covid. Just thought I’d share.

216185 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to chaos, 5, #905 of 2423 🔗

Too much information, chaos.

216186 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to chaos, 4, #906 of 2423 🔗

I hope your wish comes true and that covid will not in any way prevent it.

216179 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Charlie Blue, 9, #907 of 2423 🔗

Thanks, Charlie.
To think how the hell as it come to this, to shake a fellow human being’s hand feels like a strike for freedom.
Hang on, I think I’ve got something in my eye.

216195 ▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #908 of 2423 🔗

I got free hugs! Nice big bear ones!
If you’re ever in the People’s Republic of Brighton holler out! I’m the tall sturdy looking grumpy one with 4 legs 🦵

216213 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Chris John, 1, #909 of 2423 🔗

Thanks, Chris! Sounds like I’ll be looking out for a shirehorse.

216211 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #910 of 2423 🔗

Not usually a hugger either, but I’d definitely make a sceptic happy.

216174 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #911 of 2423 🔗

Good news that he’s not a zealot, you might be able to convert him.

216183 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to DRW, 1, #912 of 2423 🔗

I’ll try.

216207 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Fingerache Philip., 18, #913 of 2423 🔗

Wonderful, met a fellow fully paid up sceptic in work today, the look of relief on both our faces was incredible. A momentous occasion.

Didn’t touch his boobs though….one step at a time

216165 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 4, #914 of 2423 🔗

If the sheep need proof that this is all utter bollocks…look now further than this.

How do they know this? If it’s “exponential”

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/coronavirus-scotland-edinburgh-fewer-covid-19194452

What utter shit. Like the Edinburgh rag it comes from.

216172 ▶▶ jb12, replying to AnotherSceptic, 3, #915 of 2423 🔗

Their model told them!

216187 ▶▶ DRW, replying to AnotherSceptic, 1, #916 of 2423 🔗

eXpOnEnTiAl bullshit!

216203 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to AnotherSceptic, 1, #917 of 2423 🔗

Oh, it’s soppy bollocks new back of a fag packet torture forecasting tool.

216410 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to AnotherSceptic, #918 of 2423 🔗

‘experts’

Yup!

216175 Liam, replying to Liam, 56, #919 of 2423 🔗

My Dad (81) is trying his best to get out and about. He’s been visiting a farm shop out in Warwickshire recently to get nice fresh bread, veg and the odd bottle of beer. He can take a nice walk out in the fresh air while he’s there.

Some snotty cow working in the shop asked him where he’d come from and when he said “Coventry” she told him he shouldn’t be out of his area as it was in lockdown. He was absolutely fuming when I spoke to him just now, said he should have told her to mind her own damn business straight away. It’s the combination of casual cruelty and rank stupidity of these people that gets me.

216180 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Liam, 34, #920 of 2423 🔗

My grandmother is convinced that Britain could never have had concentration camps because we couldn’t have found the Horrible staff. My grandmother is, and I mean this in the kindest, most loving way, an idiot.

216189 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 34, #921 of 2423 🔗

Dad did tell her he didn’t know the Stasi were running the shop. She had no idea what he was talking about so he enlightened her. I believe something about the fate of Ceaucescu was mentioned as well (Dad was 30 years working in Midlands car factories and has a rather, shall we say, “direct” manner.

216199 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Liam, #922 of 2423 🔗

Where di he work – Canley, Browns Lane …?

216209 ▶▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Mayo, 1, #923 of 2423 🔗

Neither, though I’m very familiar with both. I’d rather not go into detail.

216524 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Liam, #924 of 2423 🔗

Fair enough.

216241 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Liam, 11, #925 of 2423 🔗

Direct is good. We need more of it. Good on your Dad.

216315 ▶▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Liam, 2, #926 of 2423 🔗

Good for him.

216218 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 10, #927 of 2423 🔗

Yes,it’s frightening to now find out just how many eager volunteers there would actually be.

216329 ▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #928 of 2423 🔗

Britain invented the concentration camp in South Africa. During the last war the Channel Islands (the only part of Britain to be occupied) gave up all their Jews (estimated around 30) to the NAZIS whilst at the same time protecting their freemasons. I’m afraid there are British fascist types everywhere just waiting the opportunity to crawl out from under the woodwork.

216379 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Harry hopkins, 3, #929 of 2423 🔗

Britain invented the concentration camp in South Africa.

No, the first use was by the Spanish in Cuba, and they were also used in the Philippines by the US.

Basically it’s just an obvious way to deal with rebellious populations supporting resistance or enemy forces that becomes practicable when you have an advanced industrial society to organise and run it. Nothing uniquely evil about the British Empire (actually more the contrary).

The Positive Case for the British Empire (& Cecil Rhodes) – A Balanced Approach to Imperial History
You’ll note than many of the most enthusiastic supporters of the current fascism come from the woke left.

216568 ▶▶▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Mark, 1, #930 of 2423 🔗

I lose track of the nomenclature assigned to people and their behaviour. In my book there are only good people and bad people. Good people treat others as they would like to be treated. All this talk of right, left, woke, whatever, tells me nothing. Call me old fashioned………..??

216574 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Harry hopkins, #931 of 2423 🔗

There’s good and bad in everyone.

“It is easy to think of yourself as good. But if you deny your potential for evil, you cannot fight it.” – Naomi Seibt

216617 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to John P, 2, #932 of 2423 🔗

Struggling to see the good in Hitler, Goebels, stalin, Pol Pot and many others

216770 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Harry hopkins, #933 of 2423 🔗

Probably because you aren’t actually looking for it. It’s pretty dangerous to try to point out the good aspects of such men (and there invariably are such good aspects of them as human beings, though not necessarily in their actions as leaders), because you will immediately be smeared as a “supporter” of them, or an “apologist”, or years later you will be quoted out of context as such.

And of course to see them clearly you have to be able to put their deeds on one side, which goes against our predominant cultural tendency today, to “cancel” people who do or say anything regarded as very bad, and condemn them utterly.

217038 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lucky, replying to Mark, 2, #934 of 2423 🔗

“put their deeds on one side”. Ha!

217620 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Lucky, #935 of 2423 🔗

Thank you for exemplifying precisely the point I made.

216190 ▶▶ Lili, replying to Liam, 15, #936 of 2423 🔗

Next time he goes – on a different day of the week, hopefully – he should just pretend he’s hard of hearing for questions he doesn’t want to answer. My nan used to use selective hearing. It’s a privilege of the old.

216197 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to Liam, 1, #937 of 2423 🔗

I wonder if it’s the same Farm shop we’ve used a couple of times. If it is – they do fantastic steak pies.

216212 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Mayo, 1, #938 of 2423 🔗

I’ll ask him to pick some up, if he goes back.

216200 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Liam, 10, #939 of 2423 🔗

Honestly, our politicians don’t have a clue the mistrust and social breakdown they’ve been stoking with all this inanity. Unless they do, and they somehow think it a good idea…

216378 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to mattghg, 1, #940 of 2423 🔗

I think it’s pretty obvious they do. MW

216272 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Liam, 3, #941 of 2423 🔗

So that’s fine. I presume he will be paying her one last visit to say he won’t be going back, she’s just lost his custom, and with that attitude, with luck her farm shop will go bust.

216299 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to Liam, 8, #942 of 2423 🔗

Ugh this is simply infuriating!
My friend just told me that her grandmother went out shopping barefaced (god bless her!) and some old fella in a mask had a go at her. She cussed at him in Greek and went on her way 🙂

216508 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Eddie, 3, #943 of 2423 🔗

Greek curses are potent. That’s for sure. Ask Oedipus.

216505 ▶▶ annie, replying to Liam, 2, #944 of 2423 🔗

All power to your Dad.
At his age, having been an honest man all his life, it may be sad for him to have to lie when necessary, but perhaps he should do it, to get those snotty cows off his back.

216177 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 8, #945 of 2423 🔗

The Rosa Luxemburg Foundation, busily thinking about the dream Marxist utopian world after covid. Reset plans being hatched on all sides. Labour MPs busily retweeting this. Leopards don’t change their spots. Why the fuck does a Marxist-Leninist Organisation have a London office? Oh, that’s right, We let anyone in provided they hate everything we stand for.

216191 ▶▶ Liam, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #946 of 2423 🔗

That’s a real list of nasties among the Labour MPs.

216208 ▶▶ RickH, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, -2, #947 of 2423 🔗

Why the fuck does a Marxist-Leninist Organisation have a London office?”

It’s known as ‘freedom’ – you know – that thing the Tories have eliminated.

216229 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to RickH, 4, #948 of 2423 🔗

Ah, the two faces of liberalism …

216369 ▶▶ Mark, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #949 of 2423 🔗

You write “let anyone in” as though Marx-Leninism is some kind of alien force. The reality is (as you can see from the people involved) it’s close to mainstream elite dogma here, at least among the members of our Further Left mainstream party.

216455 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #950 of 2423 🔗

Anyone promising utopian futures, has obviously never read a history book

216196 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 27, #951 of 2423 🔗

It really is absurd isn’t it, let’s park the science for the time being, we all know the science is correct and the pseudo science is crap.

What are we left with……

A PCR test so flawed that a ham sandwich can test +

A killer virus so intelligent it knows:

When I’m in a supermarket
When I’m in a cafe in a supermarket
Is allergic to perspex much like Superman is allergic to kryptonite
I’m a professional sportsman and doesn’t attack when I’m playing football, rugby (insert a professional sport of your choice)
Knows when the final whistle is blown or the chequered flag waved
I’m sitting at a table in a pub or restaurant
I work in a pub or restaurant
I’m walking to the toilet in a pub or restaurant
I live in Scotland
I live in Wales
I want to buy tampons or a book or a book about tampons in Wales
Can tell the time
Is so dangerous I can post a sample of my highly infectious sample in the post with millions of other letters (my current favourite)
Needs dolly chops, Nicola Mugabe and the Welsh geezer who looks like a tortoise to tell me every day how dangerous it is
Is so dangerous I can be highly infectious but not have any symptoms
Can count to 6 or whatever arbitary number is picked out of a hat
Can use a tape measure
I’m a BLM, antifa or climate change goon
It’s not a ‘high consequence disease’
I’m professor Ferguson when I’m shinning up the drainpipe of my married bit of crumpet’s house
I’m exempt from wearing a mask

The list can no doubt go on, so feel free to crack on.

Anyhoo, bottoms up people. I’ve got pizza for din dins.

216201 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to stefarm, 7, #952 of 2423 🔗

And is afraid of hand sanitiser.

216204 ▶▶ DRW, replying to stefarm, 6, #953 of 2423 🔗

Only virus respecting sanitiser and anti-bacs.
Only virus that has agreed not to attack schools.
Only virus somehow empowered by alcohol.

If it really was a problem any stupid diktats would be irrelevant.

216214 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to stefarm, 4, #954 of 2423 🔗

Oh and has cured the flu

216217 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to stefarm, 3, #955 of 2423 🔗

But we still need jabs becuase they might start colluding

216291 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to stefarm, #956 of 2423 🔗

Pizza!!! That’s the best escape I can think of. Just be sure to spray Lysol on it before eating…a squadron of covids could have parked themselves all over the mozzarella

216317 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Eddie, #957 of 2423 🔗

Whhaattttt, it’s ok the buffalo’s have been vaccinated

216326 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to stefarm, #958 of 2423 🔗

Oh and it knows sir Patrick has £800k worth of shares in gsk

216453 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to stefarm, 1, #959 of 2423 🔗

Is allergic to perspex much like Superman is allergic to kryptonite

Brilliant!

216206 chaos, replying to chaos, 16, #960 of 2423 🔗

Happy Thoughts #1
If America votes for Biden (or the election is rigged to let him in) we really are in the shit.

216220 ▶▶ Censored Dog, replying to chaos, 2, #961 of 2423 🔗

No we are not! We are in the shit anyway, whether Biden wins or not. Great Reset is going to Great Reset here in Europe regardless.

216228 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Censored Dog, 12, #962 of 2423 🔗

Will happen faster with Biden.. Trump will offer some resistance.

216286 ▶▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to chaos, 3, #963 of 2423 🔗

Harris will be Prez soon enough if Biden ‘wins’
America will officially be dead once that happens.

216234 ▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to Censored Dog, 10, #964 of 2423 🔗

If Trump opens up the US and the apocalypse doesn’t happen then there is at least a chance the sheep may start to wake up and wonder why they are still living in police states.

216251 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to chaos, 8, #965 of 2423 🔗

It’s a crying shame how the media have totally blocked the people from the truth. I include all the UK media in that also. I will never trust them again. FAKE NEWS is an under statement.

216252 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to chaos, 1, #966 of 2423 🔗

Trump and Biden are the worst candidates ever to be offered to an electorate, they are both bums who will have no influence at all on how the country is run. Biden because he will be asleep, Trump because he is incompetent. Don’t put your faith in either of them.

216264 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Recusant, #967 of 2423 🔗

I can’t see anyone putting faith in either of them.

216556 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Rosie, 1, #968 of 2423 🔗

You’d be surprised at how many do. My American Facebook friends are swooning over Biden and hate Trump. I don’t like Trump myself, but I can’t bring myself to vote for Biden. He says he’ll impose a national mask mandate. I’m a dual citizen myself, btw.

216310 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Recusant, 8, #969 of 2423 🔗

I disagree about Trump. He gets zero positive press in the UK, and little in the U.S., but here’s one account:

“I didn’t vote for Donald Trump in 2016. Didn’t know him. Didn’t like him. Didn’t trust him. Accordingly, I voted third party. But as I observed him as president, I began to notice that every policy, every initiative that President Trump stood for and pursued is a policy that advances or restores freedom to the individual citizen: lower taxes, less government regulation, abundant energy at cheaper prices. These policies lead to a better economy with much lower unemployment which, in turn, have restored greater freedom to millions of Americans. He has stood firmly for life. He stands firmly for the Second Amendment. He has not involved us in any new wars and is winding down our involvement in the ones that have been dragging on for decades. He is successfully pursuing peace in the Middle East, which he gets no credit for. Despite of the hell they have heaped on this man, he has accomplished more substantive good in four years than the last four presidents combined in the prior twenty-eight years.”
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/10/donald_trump_the_freedom_president.html

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/06/cramer-like-or-hate-trump-these-are-the-best-numbers-of-our-lives-on-jobs.html
Cramer: Like or hate Trump, ‘these are the best numbers of our lives’ on jobs
“CNBC’s Jim Cramer says no matter your view on President Trump there’s no denying we’re living in the best labor market in more than a generation.
“This is the best number I’ve ever seen in my life,” says Cramer, 64.
Zeroing in on the 3.5% unemployment rate in November, Cramer says, “Fifty years ago, that number was a curse. Now it’s a blessing.””

Trump is far from incompetent, despite what the media tries to say.

216357 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Recusant, #970 of 2423 🔗

I would certainly hesitate to make such an assertion even if I shaerd that view of these particular candidates, for two reasons. First, there have been some truly appalling candidates in the past – Hilary Clinton, Bush II, Carter. Second, unless you have direct contact with him (highly unlikely) your knowledge of Trump is all filtered through incredibly biased media coverage and thoroughgoing elite hostility of the most personal kind (even if, like me, you are sceptical of mainstream media and avoid it mostly, and are alienated from consensus opinion and so less easily influenced by elite groupthink).

216363 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Recusant, 1, #971 of 2423 🔗

Trump’s been incredibly effective.

216558 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to OKUK, #972 of 2423 🔗

At annoying the s**t out of a lot of people.

216216 NickR, replying to NickR, 17, #973 of 2423 🔗

We’ve created a website that takes all hospital admission data by NHS trust.
So if you want to see what’s happening in your locality it’s here: https://davehawkins-shiny.shinyapps.io/hosp_app/ . All_Beds_Covid is the total bed occupancy, if you click on it on the key on the right it will disappear & you can see just new admissions.

For the sake of illustration I’ve put the situation of Leeds Teaching Hospitals in the attached chart & the all positive test data. Looks like Leeds has been plateauing for a couple of weeks, which you’d expect the hospitalisations to follow this. It’ll be interesting to see if it does!

216245 ▶▶ RickH, replying to NickR, 3, #974 of 2423 🔗

Compliments on digging the data.

Problem : the old one – namely that the adjective ‘Covid’ is seriously meaningless in trying to make sense of data.

216246 ▶▶ djaustin, replying to NickR, #975 of 2423 🔗

Can you add the option of a log-y axis please, just to compare rates of growth?

216511 ▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to djaustin, #976 of 2423 🔗

Thank you. And for the naysayers – here is the London data. Anything happen during August?

216382 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to NickR, #978 of 2423 🔗

Nice, Nick; thanks.

216384 ▶▶ Evoluon, replying to NickR, 1, #979 of 2423 🔗

Great work – do you know if we can access the pre August data? Ive done a quick search online with no luck. Maybe I`ll have to do an FOI with my local hospital perhaps.

216678 ▶▶▶ NickR, replying to Evoluon, #980 of 2423 🔗

They changed the definitions recently. I’m tied up Tonight but will see if I can post old data in next day or so.

216221 chaos, replying to chaos, 12, #981 of 2423 🔗

Conspiratorial Thoughts #1

I am suspicious about the two recent beheadings in France. Yes some muslims are insane, but some attacks are false flags. False flags have been with us for as long as we have had societies. Nero possibly had his own people burn Rome so that he could blame the Christians. School history books teach kids it is highly likely that Guy Fawkes was set up by protestants close to the King so that the Catholics could be blamed. Hitler had people burn the Reichstag so that he could blame Russia. America likely had advanced warning regarding Pearl Harbour but chose to let it happen so they could enter WW2. The Gulf of Tonkin incident seemed to involve America faking a skirmish between Vietnamese and American vessels in order to bang the drum louder for war in Vietnam. No idea who was flying the planes on 911 but three steel framed skyscrapers fell that day at near freefall speeds neatly into their own footprint. Two were hit by planes and one was not.

So.. two beheadings.. before a lockdown.. sow division, crank up the fear, make people more likely to obey lockdown. Just seems too convenient.

216226 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to chaos, 4, #982 of 2423 🔗

Yes it does…….Believe none of what you hear and only half of what you see

216230 ▶▶ Liam, replying to chaos, 2, #983 of 2423 🔗

I’m not going into the rest of it but the Reichstag fire was set by Van der Lubbe the Dutch communist. The Nazis certainly took full advantage.

216233 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to chaos, #984 of 2423 🔗

The Gunpowder Plot was a Catholic plot organised by Robert Catesby.

216242 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to chaos, 5, #985 of 2423 🔗

Agree – have been waiting for acts of terrorism to re-emerge after taking quite a long break this year. Perfect for reinforcing the fear as you say and the police state that is being installed.

216247 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to godowneasy, 2, #986 of 2423 🔗

Will certainly be an excuse to give them even more power

216266 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to godowneasy, #987 of 2423 🔗

Absolutely, expect new vague laws on detaining people without charge if they are a risk to the public and a further roll out of surveillance state technology.

Definitely have the look and timing of false flag events carried out by easily manipulated or mentally ill people. Makes me sad that things like this happen – same old divide and conquer tactics.

216294 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to chaos, 4, #988 of 2423 🔗

Or…The attack in France is what it seems and is just one more in a long line of them.

216298 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to chaos, #989 of 2423 🔗

No, the horse has bolted in the West. Terrorist attacks are just something we have to deal with. The prophet would be as well being exempt from free speech.

216372 ▶▶ pmdl, replying to chaos, #990 of 2423 🔗

Macron: Dear citizens of France we have imposed martial law and now have dictatorship powers. Mobs with pitch forks at the ready; Oh look its the evil muslims . . . . Divide and rule

216434 ▶▶ wat tyler, replying to chaos, 6, #991 of 2423 🔗

I have never met one single person in my entire life who thought Hitler burnt the Reichstag so he could blame Russia. .You really believe the french state severed a teachers head in the street and then popped down to Nice to do the same to an old lady and a priest just so they could blame muslims and have a lockdown? .Instead of talking shit you should be standing beside the French people who have had to endure 250 deaths in the last few years by Islamic fascists .The ideas of liberty we are now all fighting to defend sprang from the Enlightenment tradition that the French people helped to give to the world .

216224 Melangell, replying to Melangell, 15, #992 of 2423 🔗

Since it’s my 70th birthday on November 18th and all my celebratory plans have been kiboshed by the Covid Puritans, my heart soared when I saw Toby’s above ad for a luxury B and B in stalag Wales, not too far from where I am currently imprisoned. Then I saw the price: £250 per night per person and realised I would be eating my home-made b-day cake in my own kitchen instead, having lost my entire travel business this year with zero compensation from HMG. Think the owner should consider reduced rates for sceptics!!!

216240 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Melangell, 6, #993 of 2423 🔗

I think it’s per break, rather than per night, and includes the 4-course dinner on the Saturday. Might be worth checking out the details.

216244 ▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to CGL, 2, #994 of 2423 🔗

Hmmm, well it’s rather ambiguous – says it could be 2 or 3 nights, but definitely sounds more doable, so thanks! Still out of range for my impecunious friend though…maybe I should see if anyone would like to accompany me on the dating forum 😀

216257 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Melangell, 1, #995 of 2423 🔗

Go for it! 🙂

216361 ▶▶▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to CGL, #996 of 2423 🔗

Well, I just might – maybe a group of us inmates in Wales could get together – will post on forum!

216497 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Melangell, 1, #997 of 2423 🔗

Meet somewhere in the middle?

216261 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Melangell, 1, #998 of 2423 🔗

Have you considered suing them?

216362 ▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to Rosie, #999 of 2423 🔗

I don’t pay business rates because I work from home, so I don’t qualify for the handouts. No use suing….

216340 ▶▶ William Hand, replying to Melangell, 1, #1000 of 2423 🔗

I have a tiny holiday let in the Derbyshire Peak District (now Tier 2). Cost is £350 per week. It is very small though.

216364 ▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to William Hand, #1001 of 2423 🔗

Thanks for the thought, but a bit too far from West Wales! 🙂

216232 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #1002 of 2423 🔗

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/552345
The petition was rejected as The UK Government and Parliament haven’t adopted ‘the Great Reset’.

216284 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Dan Clarke, #1003 of 2423 🔗

Not officially adopted, but we’ll see…

216306 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Dan Clarke, #1004 of 2423 🔗

Can the petition be re-phrased somehow?

216460 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Dan Clarke, #1005 of 2423 🔗

They should have tried Agenda 21/30
Which they have signed up to.

216237 Bill Hickling, replying to Bill Hickling, 14, #1006 of 2423 🔗

With respect to Jeremy Hunt’s “little evidence of immunity to Covid”, the virus was in the population, freely-circulating from late December to mid-March was it not?

If it is so bloody infectious as they say, then the idea that a very significant proportion of the population were not exposed to it in that long time period is in my view fanciful. It follows that many people are now immune and SAGE’s calculations that rely on high remaining susceptibility are misguided.

216243 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Bill Hickling, 8, #1007 of 2423 🔗

Jeremy did PPE. PPE at Oxford is like engineering, physics, medicine, the entire knowledge of God and everything.. apparently. It is the hardest thing in the world. Three posho wordy subjects studied as part of one three year degree, one of those subjects (economics) pretends to be maths.

216248 ▶▶▶ Brian ‘Monty’ Cohen, replying to chaos, 4, #1008 of 2423 🔗

How about we ban anyone with a PPE degree and anyone that went to Eton from being an MP or civil servant…

216277 ▶▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to Brian ‘Monty’ Cohen, 4, #1009 of 2423 🔗

abso-fuckin-lutely! Wancock is a PPE turd as well

216476 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Brian ‘Monty’ Cohen, #1010 of 2423 🔗

Or Harrow.

216478 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #1011 of 2423 🔗

Or Upton High School. They were always tw*ts as well. Oh, perhaps that’s an old rivalry from my schooldays…

216634 ▶▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Brian ‘Monty’ Cohen, 1, #1012 of 2423 🔗

Jolly good idea. What does PPE stand for again?
Pompous, Posturing, Etonian?

216258 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to chaos, 4, #1013 of 2423 🔗

Yep, like Boris telling Piers Corbyn that ‘climate change’ is true, Boris is right and hard-core scientist Piers doesn’t know anything.

216492 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Rosie, 2, #1014 of 2423 🔗

Climate change is true. We live on a dynamic planet, so the climate will be dynamic too. The evidence for that dynamism surrounds us, from valleys formed from glaciers, and ice fairs on the Thames sinking out of fashion.

But man-made climate change? That’s what most people mean when they say “climate change” isn’t it? But it’s a whole different game, and one very open to debate…

216324 ▶▶ James Marker, replying to Bill Hickling, 2, #1015 of 2423 🔗

Good point. Also, if there is no immunity to Covid-19, how come only a tiny number of people have picked up this disease twice. The evidence is staring Hunt in the face.

216448 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Bill Hickling, #1016 of 2423 🔗

It’s really simple, it’s either very infectious, or very deadly. Facts tell us it isn’t both…unless of course you’re already on the way

216249 AngloWelshDragon, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 30, #1017 of 2423 🔗

I’m spending the second day at our local fracture clinic. I have had Achilles tendinitis for 6 months which has been making my life a misery and limiting my ability to exercise and do lots of things I took for granted like ride my horse. My GP tried to refer me to the orthopaedic clinic 3 times but it was rejected by the system due to COVID. On Wednesday my Achilles ruptured and I am now sitting here in a cast and facing surgery. Had I been seen sooner I would not now now be facing a minimum of 12 weeks of rehabilitation. Not as serious as the many people who have missed vital and life saving tests and interventions but another example of what happens when you fixate on one health problem to the exclusion of all else.

On the up side as we are going into tier 2 lockdown tomorrow the hospital is deserted and I’m getting treated like royalty by the excellent nurses and doctors in the fracture clinic. Pity I had to suffer a rupture to get here!

216255 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 9, #1018 of 2423 🔗

It’s your life and it’s serious enough! All the best for your recovery x

216256 ▶▶ DressageRider, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 8, #1019 of 2423 🔗

Commiserations! Hope it gets better in double quick time!

216269 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 5, #1020 of 2423 🔗

Very sorry to hear that.
As you say, it’s caused you and so many others a great deal of misery, and more serious health problems.

216279 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 4, #1021 of 2423 🔗

Wishing you a speedy recovery and a return to doing what you love AWD.
Injuries suck and I would be devastated if my achilles snapped.
Keep that mind focused and positive during rehab!

216337 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 1, #1022 of 2423 🔗

Ouch. Very sorry to hear this. Get well soon. Keep breathing your fiery flames freely

216342 ▶▶ DRW, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 2, #1023 of 2423 🔗

Sorry to hear that, hope you get better soon.

216422 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 3, #1024 of 2423 🔗

How maddening! Your story is one of many and it’s hard to believe you’re one of the lucky people. Best of luck and get well soon. I’m sure you’ll keep us posted!

216442 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 2, #1025 of 2423 🔗

Eat well, rest well and hopefully you’ll be back on your feet again soon

216471 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 1, #1026 of 2423 🔗

Aargh! I often have a tight Achilles tendon, it shows as a pea-sized ball just above the back of the heel. Luckily, it’s never ruptured or snapped and my podiatrist sorts it out. I hope your recovery is swift :o))

216493 ▶▶ annie, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 2, #1027 of 2423 🔗

I do hope that you will be able to ride your horse again before too long.Horse riding is the best anti-covvie-hysteria therapy I know ( though there are many others).
All the very best!

216250 davews, 15, #1028 of 2423 🔗

Just back after a nice day out in Windsor, object to walk the Long Walk in the Great Park and get away from the nonsense.

No issues in going maskless on the train. In one carriage another bare faced woman with sunflower halyard, with the few on the train that was quite a high percentage. Windsor seemed pretty busy and quite a few heading to the castle. Wearing masks between shops is one thing, I was quite taken back that there were quite a lot half way down the Long Walk, not by accident, they were proudly showing them off. What has got into people?

Walk done I popped in to the George in Eton for lunch, a place I have visited in the past. Seems under new management and although it was OK food seems to have gone downhill and the price gone up. Prominent NHS T&T QR code by the door, or you could text your name to a number prominently displayed at each table. No options for non-mobile users but she never asked whether I had ‘clicked in’ so it seems I escaped. No paper menus either, had to remember what I had read on the one by the door otherwise they want you to scan their QR codes. Pleasant lunch but think I will look elsewhere next time I am in Windsor.

Museum in the centre totally locked up and seems to have moved online. Church next door has one service a month with them moving round each of the four churches each week. ‘New normal’.

Not got round to catching up on the posts here.

216260 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 10, #1029 of 2423 🔗

Notwithstanding all our scepticism about NHS data, today the NHS dashboard shows that for NHS England the total number of ‘covid’ patients in hospital rose by 146, from 8535 to 8681. I think the NHS is some way off being overwhelmed.

The media keep trying to scare us with data on hospital admissions and whilst they are managing to record 1000+ admissions a day that is only putting the total in hospital up by a much lower figure. Either they are discharging a lot of patients or the admissions figures are bogus or perhaps a bit of both.

Anyway my amateurish look at NHS figures gives me the confidence to refute those who witter on about the NHS being overwhelmed.

216271 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Steve Martindale, 13, #1030 of 2423 🔗

Perhaps ‘overwhelmed’ means not having enough time to practise their dance routines.

216302 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #1031 of 2423 🔗

Anyway my amateurish look at NHS figures gives me the confidence to refute those who witter on about the NHS being overwhelmed.

Steve, there is nothing amateurish about your ‘look at NHS figures’; we can only work with what data they give us.

… or the admissions figures are bogus…

On the Admissions figures being bogus, I would pretty much say ‘yes, they are’.

Toby’s front page contributing doctor posted on 15 October the following:

https://lockdownsceptics.org/2020/10/15/#how-many-hospital-cases-are-really-covid

The eagle eyed reader he mentions is me ; I made this post in the comments the day before, 14 Ocotber.

https://lockdownsceptics.org/2020/10/14/latest-news-162/#comment-186272

216314 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #1032 of 2423 🔗

As you correctly keep pointing out, the discharge figures are a major omission which we never seem to hear about from official sources.

216370 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Edward, 2, #1033 of 2423 🔗

I’ve mentioned a couple of times before; there are Covid discharge figures available, but they are only updated monthly. The latest can be found in this document:

https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/10/COVID-19-daily-admissions-20201030.xlsx

It cover the period up to 30th September.

216490 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Edward, #1034 of 2423 🔗

Nobody has ever officially recovered from Covid in the UK.

216265 Steeve, replying to Steeve, #1035 of 2423 🔗

Can anyone show me the photos of a isolated SARS-CoV-1 SARS-CoV-2 and a common cold coronavirus? Like a spot the difference challenge – Posted again as yet to see the photos. Many Thanks

216331 ▶▶ William Hand, replying to Steeve, #1036 of 2423 🔗

How do you photograph a ghost? If you want to see a virus, look for exosomes.

216373 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to William Hand, #1037 of 2423 🔗

OK Thanks – I will have a read about exosomes!

216554 ▶▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Steeve, #1039 of 2423 🔗

I found this interesting but is inconclusive about the real cause of illness – leaving it at that for tonight!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roDGPZMev7s

216273 Eddy, replying to Eddy, 18, #1040 of 2423 🔗

As they were being transferred to the concentration camps they shouted “The PCR tests were dodgy though” and “We wrote to our MP and he did nothing”

If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face forever . George Orwell.

WAKE UP

216547 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Eddy, 3, #1041 of 2423 🔗

I think you’re preaching to the choir here.

216274 Basics, replying to Basics, 16, #1042 of 2423 🔗

Anyone remember what it was like to travel by plane before 2001? Remember how the security was different? Today James Corbett looks at some work from the year 2025 that describes what changes are to be brought in post 2020.

It sounds ridiculous far-fetched and doomed to fail. But what would you have said in 1999 if you were told you will walk through airports in your socks with body xrays and iris scanners?

I think most people on Lockdown Sceptics have an ability to imagine what is presented for 2025. How likely these ‘new normals’ become daily life may be up for debate. I don’t think it is wise to ignore the strange nonscience oppression is dragging into the world.

https://youtu.be/lYZZxxYBrS0

Airlock scanning in buildings. No travel. Digital everything. Privacy gone.

As I type the WHO are holding a press conference talking about how the vaccine will be just another tool in the box – the other tools of locking down, masls, hand washing, social distancing need to be pushed further and harder to “put the sword” to the virus. These words from the disgusts fat irish WHO grunt who’s name I have no interest to know. The vaccine is not going to end anything.

216283 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Basics, 8, #1043 of 2423 🔗

Not sure I’ll live to 2025 at this rate.

216468 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to DRW, #1044 of 2423 🔗

Bollocks.

216546 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to DRW, 2, #1045 of 2423 🔗

Not sure I want to live to 2025 at this rate.

216285 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Basics, 4, #1046 of 2423 🔗

It is now so damned obvious what this is all about.

216325 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Basics, 8, #1047 of 2423 🔗

Again it is interesting that a well-known spokesperson is making absolutely no pretence of hope for a brighter future. Effectively he is openly stating that a nightmarish technocratic dystopia is the only option. The destruction of hope has been one of the greatest achievements by the medical-political complex in 2020.

216333 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Basics, 3, #1048 of 2423 🔗

They have their long wish list of technologies they want to roll out and I bet they get everyone of them – nothing to do with health, everything to do with control.

The use of ‘new normal’ in the early days was a clear flag that they knew Covid wasn’t particularly serious but were going to take full advantage to scam the public – seems to have worked on 99% of the population a bit like the now permanent ‘war on terror’ / ‘heightened security alert’ (20 years now?)

216356 ▶▶ fran, replying to Basics, 4, #1049 of 2423 🔗

A picture speaks a thousand words …. here …
https://eandt.theiet.org/content/articles/2020/07/the-future-of-flight/

The website you are looking at is the online version of the print publication produced by the IET which is the Instution of Engineering & Technology – the professional body for Electrical & Electronic engineers. I have worked all my life as an Electronic Engineer (now retd.) – been a member since early 70s, so still pay my membership fee and get this magazine thru the post 10 times a year.

That picture heading the article is REAL. The online version doesn’t have the caption to the picture. The print edition does. It says “Staff at Hamad International Airport present a futuristic look as they wear helmets as well as masks to protect them from coronavirus.”

Yes the caption DOES say that!! Helmets & Masks to protect them from the virus!!

If you can stomach that photo – just read the first two paragraphs of the article to see how joyous and wonderful it will be travelling by air in the future.

216394 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to fran, 2, #1050 of 2423 🔗

Archigram the experimental 60s?70s architechture group came up with city neigbourhood communities on legs that would walk to another area and ‘plug-in. Think Terry Gilliam giant foot. They also designed homes where children’s bedrooms were a solid block of polystyrene – the child could then use a soldering iron to burrow out the space that they wanted.

All of that crashed and burned in a big fiery ball so there is hope!

216407 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to fran, 1, #1051 of 2423 🔗

Interesting link Fran thank you.

The picture is obviously an expensive item – models, lighting, phogographer, director, designer, client. It looks hilariously stupid. But it is sinister. Why is it so easy to pull this stuff apart. Why n95 masks? Why not full breathing snorkels that exit via a series of spittle catching ubends? Isn’t that a more sound design solution?

Obvious not as eyecatching to our 2020 eyes as seeing our roll-royce n95 masks lined up on idiotic models. Yes idiotic, these professions have a choice to accept this kind of work, some people refuse professionally to promote arms or tobacco.

216421 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to fran, 1, #1052 of 2423 🔗

Who the hell is writing that and thinking its a world that is worth even considering. Basically they modelled for someone catching flu on a flight, for the first time in history, and now have data that suggests it’s best to spread people out by a metre each.

So they took that data to a pilot and straight away he said it would end the travel industry.

But on and on it goes.

216280 JHuntz, replying to JHuntz, 6, #1053 of 2423 🔗

Talk radio addressed the great reset by inviting the WEF Managing Director on. To save yous the boredom of watching it all:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQQiaMo4LfA&ab_channel=talkRADIO

6:00 – does capitalism need Marxism – Advises it does need restraining. Throws in climate change again. He can’t call heads of states but WEF does have access.

7:20 – Addresses the statement “you’ll own nothing and be happy about it” posted on a WEF sponsored video – the response is completely unconvincing

9:40 – is WEF agenda 2030 in disguise – talked a lot of fluff about 17 sustainable development goals. Didn’t deny it.

12:30 – Klaus is a good old fashioned German

13:20 – usual climate change science can’t be denied

15:30 – feels sorry for bill

16:30 – meaningful jobs/ reskilling/ technological shift/ greener economy. This does seem to support the conspiracy theorists who believe that involves wrecking small business and destroying tourism.

Cant blame the guy though seems like a small fish in a big pond.

216289 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to JHuntz, 5, #1054 of 2423 🔗

I think if it was a wonderful thing, it would be out there for all to hear, instead of under wraps like a dirty secret

216303 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Dan Clarke, #1055 of 2423 🔗
216309 ▶▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to JHuntz, #1056 of 2423 🔗

So you know what exactly is going to happen in the UK for instance, why ruining livelihoods is a good thing in the reset, etc…….. we need details which they would be shouting about if they thought it was a good thing for all

216338 ▶▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #1057 of 2423 🔗

Sorry I see what you mean now. Yes, I agree if it were so good they’d be shouting it from the rafters.

216399 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #1058 of 2423 🔗

The fact they see reskilling and getting to grips with the worst aspects of Capitalism is benign stuff really. It’s the methods that they are deploying to bring it about. It’s opportunistic at least but it certainly leads to authoritarian structures of control. Especially with the use of technology to underpin it.

216301 ▶▶ JudgeMental, replying to JHuntz, 1, #1059 of 2423 🔗

He is dismissing this as nothing special but this is the same Adrian Monck that wrote in their press release in August, about rescheduling next years meeting: “The decision was not taken easily, since the need for global leaders to come together to design a common recovery path and shape the “Great Reset” in the post-COVID-19 era is so urgent”.

216287 Eddy, replying to Eddy, -5, #1060 of 2423 🔗

Expect BIG lock-down news on Tuesday. Why Tuesday?

03.10.20 = 33

216288 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Eddy, #1061 of 2423 🔗

Did they announce Tuesday or are you guessing, please?

216292 ▶▶▶ Eddy, replying to Rosie, 1, #1062 of 2423 🔗

I’m guessing

216295 ▶▶ Schrodinger, replying to Eddy, 9, #1064 of 2423 🔗

Isn’t Tuesday 03.11.20 thus = 34 ?

216300 ▶▶▶ Eddy, replying to Schrodinger, 5, #1065 of 2423 🔗

You are right I’ll go for Monday then.

216323 ▶▶▶ Eddy, replying to Schrodinger, 7, #1066 of 2423 🔗

It’s a good job I’m not in charge of the PCR tests..

216488 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to Eddy, #1068 of 2423 🔗

Err.. 03.11.20=34

216536 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Andy Riley, 1, #1069 of 2423 🔗

He’s using the Mayan calendar. Or just confused. Could be Monday.

217903 ▶▶▶▶ Commander Jameson, replying to thinkaboutit, #1070 of 2423 🔗

It’s 42! 42! Not 33 or 34, you heretic schismatics”

216296 John Stone, 3, #1071 of 2423 🔗
216307 Edward, replying to Edward, 23, #1072 of 2423 🔗

All right guv, it’s a fair cop, throw on the bracelets.
I wrote “No more lockdowns” on to a laminated sign about covid at the entrance to the park. (A big boy told me to do it and ran away).
And, shocking to relate, at the walled garden I went in through the exit and out by the entrance, endangering the other people there at the time (none).

216320 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Edward, 11, #1073 of 2423 🔗

You’re worse than Hitler!

216351 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Mark, 5, #1074 of 2423 🔗

You’re worse than Hitler!

Godwin’s Law is alive and well. 😉

216446 ▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1075 of 2423 🔗

Maybe it was a Bottom reference. 😀

216564 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #1076 of 2423 🔗

Oh God; don’t! You just get me thinking about Oxford United. 😉

216380 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Edward, 7, #1077 of 2423 🔗

Granny killer. 😉

216484 ▶▶ annie, replying to Edward, 5, #1078 of 2423 🔗

Grannies are falling like skittles in your path.

216308 Liz F, replying to Liz F, 22, #1079 of 2423 🔗

BBC News seems to have decided to ruin everyone’s weekend with their latest scaremongering headline: “Covid is spreading “significantly” faster through England than even the government’s predicted “worst-case” scenario, documents reveal”. The source of this apocalyptic news is “an official Sage document”. Oooh, must be true then, if it’s an official Sage and Onion document. The Beeb continues to warn that “Scientists crunching the numbers estimated that, by mid-October, there were between 43,000 and 74,000 people being infected with coronavirus every day in England.” Crunching numbers? For pity’s sake, don’t these scientists have better things to do? Clearly they don’t actually know the real number of cases. How can any sane person believe this BS?

216311 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Liz F, 12, #1080 of 2423 🔗

I dont even know anyone who watches BBC now

216316 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Dan Clarke, 7, #1081 of 2423 🔗

Sadly most of my relatives are still believers.

216368 ▶▶▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to DRW, 3, #1082 of 2423 🔗

And mine. And, if anything, the pandemic has only made them believe it even more.

216322 ▶▶▶ William Hand, replying to Dan Clarke, 12, #1083 of 2423 🔗

I do. It is hilarious. A daily dose of fear porn before beddy boes, then a nice sound sleep and do it all again the next day. The bastards are not going to wear me down, I laugh at them and then get on with life!

216482 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to William Hand, 1, #1084 of 2423 🔗

That’s the way to do it, if you have to do it at all.

216366 ▶▶▶ Liz F, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #1085 of 2423 🔗

I know, it’s painful but as so many people take everything the BBC says as gospel I skim-read their website and then invariably email them to complain. Always get the same patronising answer about how impartial they are (hah!) and how their programmes are designed to inform, educate and entertain millions”. Vomit-inducing.

216334 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Liz F, 7, #1086 of 2423 🔗

Ha, sage and onion, nice one.

216418 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to stefarm, 4, #1087 of 2423 🔗

They’ll soon be stuffed

216428 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Liz F, 1, #1088 of 2423 🔗

Let me guess: written by James Gallagher , by any chance?

216555 ▶▶▶ Liz F, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1089 of 2423 🔗

Spot on!

216319 calchas, replying to calchas, 27, #1090 of 2423 🔗

I have been out this afternoon looking for a pandemic.

None of the people I regularly meet or see has died – or even been ill.

Everybody’s pretending. The mask makes an effective prop

.No, no pandemic out there.

Thank goodness for the Internet, otherwise I wouldn’t know about it.

216343 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to calchas, 15, #1091 of 2423 🔗

No, there’s none here either. So that’s why Derbyshire has been ‘promoted’ to Stalagluft 2 from tomorrow. We haven’t even bothered to look at what bollox this means as we will continue to ignore all of it. We saw a canal boat has set up an al fresco cafe serving crepes and drinks this weekend. It will be a holy miracle if the Stasi let that one through as all the snitchers will need to walk past it on the tow-path and it is just bound to get dobbed in. We’ll check it out anyway with our fingers crossed.

A shopkeeper friend told us that ‘every other person’ who comes in his shop is sceptical now. Sadly the two highly-educated acquaintances we bumped into earlier haven’t had the LS memo yet. We did a job on them so, who know? MW

216344 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 18, #1092 of 2423 🔗

Grrrrr… listened to BBC Radio 4 Da Woke…outrageous lengthy item on Covid on PM.

Basically they just served up SAGE’s cold-sick pie, with the cub reporter (who couldn’t even read her script) simply regurgitating SAGE’s mean-nothing projections. That was followed by some low IQ council leader calling for a full national lockdown with full furlough payments.

There wasn’t a single intelligent or searching question from the presenter. There was no critical or sceptical voice. There was no appreciation of the devastatingly damage being done to our economy, health, education, culture and children by the Lockdown Lunacy.

Awful, appalling. The BBC in all its pungent glory. The voice of unreason.

216355 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to OKUK, 8, #1093 of 2423 🔗

I haven’t gone anywhere near the BBC for a number of years, but from the reports on here it sounds like their content (particularly news) is tailored for children.

216480 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Richard O, 4, #1094 of 2423 🔗

No, zombies. Children are given to asking awkward questions, such as ‘Why?’

216402 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to OKUK, 6, #1095 of 2423 🔗

I strongly recommend avoiding the MSM unless there is a reason to check something specific out. Why do you expect the BBC to suddenly engage in truthful reporting when they have been a propaganda machine from the off? In fact this role goes back decades to the days of Lord Reith. Orwell’s ‘Ministry of Truth’ was based on the BBC.

We had to make a pact, for the sake of our blood-pressure, to sack even the Today programme on radio years ago because of their outrageously biased reporting of events in the Middle East when we’d actually witnessed he truth first-hand.

Honestly, nothing has changed. Do yourself a favour and treat yourself to the alternate media, the only real journalism around. It is not an ‘echo chamber’; there’s a wealth of perspectives on the current political situation coming from right and even the left if you know where to look for it. Preserve your sanity and unplug yourself from the BBC. MW

216651 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 1, #1096 of 2423 🔗

These days I listen to Talk Radio and music CDs but us important to keep an eye on what the BBC are up to.

216435 ▶▶ Sceptic-on-Sea, replying to OKUK, 5, #1097 of 2423 🔗

Yep, avoid BBC news at all costs! The only decent thing the BBC has produced in recent years is the comedy “Detectorists”. Can highly recommend if you need cheering up, it’s like a warm hug. A beautiful, dreamy warm hug.

216588 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Sceptic-on-Sea, 1, #1098 of 2423 🔗

My mum really likes AutumnWatch.

216657 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to JohnB, #1099 of 2423 🔗

A presenter of the earlier Springwatch managed to get a reference to George Floyd into the programme…no programme on the BBC is safe. They’ve even started to woke-poke Radio 3 into toeing the line.

216847 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to OKUK, 1, #1100 of 2423 🔗

My mum, bless her, would probably think George Floyd was a badger expert, or somesuch.

216345 2 pence, replying to 2 pence, 2, #1101 of 2423 🔗

In 2022 a pandemic ravages the world and its cities. Centering on a handful of people as they navigate the obstacles currently hindering society: disease, martial law, quarantine, and vigilantes.

EN

SONGBIRD Trailer (2020)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCvFZTAqLiU&feature=emb_logo&ab_channel=FilmSelectTrailer

216374 ▶▶ Fruitbat, replying to 2 pence, 8, #1102 of 2423 🔗

Hollywood – supplying brainwashing and predictive programming to the masses for decades.

216358 John P, replying to John P, 10, #1103 of 2423 🔗

I’ve just had this rather bizarre and concerning text message from my doctors surgery.

Given that the area had a high case count in the Summer I am at a loss to understand why they are doing this now. Sounds like lockdown in all but name:

“Due to an increase in Covid cases in our local community, we are having to temporarily close the doors to reduce footfall into the surgery.

If you have an appointment please use the intercom located next to the doors.

If you have a general query please call the surgery on xxxx xxxxxxx.”

216477 ▶▶ annie, replying to John P, 7, #1104 of 2423 🔗

Go away and die, you human scum. We are the NHS, We are protecting ourselves.

216486 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to annie, 4, #1105 of 2423 🔗

Was laid up in agony for 3 days this week with an abscess. Never once did it cross my mind to contact the NHS. Take the pain, and use whatever is lying around the house to try and fix it. If it results in serious injury or death, so be it.

216529 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Richard O, 2, #1106 of 2423 🔗

I’ve been watching old cowboy movies to see how they did surgery. Also stockpiling gin and a winter supply of vitamins.

216541 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Richard O, 1, #1107 of 2423 🔗

Sorry you’ve been in pain. But I agree with your strategy. I’d rather suffer on my own than use the NHS again, especially since I’m over 60. My right ear is blocked with wax, but I’ll either sort it myself or find a private clinic to help me. Nothing compared to what you suffered but we are all on our own.

216896 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lucky, replying to ConstantBees, #1108 of 2423 🔗

I’ll give NHS a go if I need to and see what happens. Won’t be using private as a) can’t afford it, and b) that’s exactly what the government wants us to do.

216576 ▶▶ davews, replying to John P, #1109 of 2423 🔗

Our surgery did that in April, the doors have been locked ever since and you only get in via the intercom if you have an appointment. But have my flu jab there on Tuesday so presumably will let me in.

216365 Basics, replying to Basics, 10, #1110 of 2423 🔗

Ivor Cummins latest. More exceptional high standard communication by Ivor in his latest 30 hour here
https://youtu.be/TRbtGd70-Ow

Besides his authorative narrative of the SARS CoV 2 problem is a collection of evidence folders for which links are given. Ivor and his team are collecting damning scientific evidence of the damage lockdown etc is causing. They folders are open to public access. See the video for addresses.

217856 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Basics, #1111 of 2423 🔗

I’ve pointed out in the comments below Ivor’s videos that:
1 the link to
https://www.oralhealthgroup.com/features/face-masks-dont-work-revealing-review/
has been taken down “If you are looking for “Why Face Masks Don’t Work: A Revealing Review” by John Hardie, BDS, MSc, PhD, FRCDC, it has been removed. The content was published in 2016 and is no longer relevant in our current climate”
2 the link to
https://tinyurl.com/LockdownsCostLives
doesn’t work
So at least those protecting us from wrongthink are watching Ivor!

216376 Basics, replying to Basics, 16, #1112 of 2423 🔗

I’m sure this has been posted already. But here is the situation of the Dolan case.

“Simon Dolan #KBF
@simondolan
·
1h
Case now ended. We had two days in front of three Appeal Court Judges including the Lord Chief Justice.

Their verdict should be handed out next week.

Thank you everyone for all the support . Whatever the outcome, the fight for freedom will continue”

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1322213876419694595?s=20

216387 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Basics, 3, #1113 of 2423 🔗

What shit excuse will they have this time?

216398 ▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to DRW, 1, #1114 of 2423 🔗

not in the national interest to know and all parties support it so it must be right, its not a left/right wing thing so the judges can just do what they want old school tie and all that applies.

216383 Iansn, replying to Iansn, 16, #1115 of 2423 🔗

I live in tier three I just want to go to the fuking pub and have proper drink and talk to people without all the pretend meal shit added on.
Went to the testing station last night and this morning to see the massive queues of the dying and near dead, desperate to find out if they are definitely going to see their last day soon. Loads of big goon security types in hoodies with badges and there seems to be about 10 people there defending the premises and no other persons other than them going in or coming out. Supposed to be over 1100 cases in the area where we live.
We have a couple of close contact shops, since we opened after lockdown, over 1,400 customers through the doors, no sign of any one of them dying, statistically we should have seen at least 35 with the lurgy, from the rate per 100k, only one person has had a test, one of our staff who got sick from a bad beer and curry, but thought that she better check and got a negative. So where are they all living, no one I know or any of us knows has it none of the family, my sis knew 3 who had it in April and sadly passed away (over 65’s).
Dont know why we arent hearing actual facts on the ground.

216496 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Iansn, 5, #1116 of 2423 🔗

Most people really don’t know anyone who has died. Because a lot of the people who have died of it were old and isolated. I know of two at “one remove” – both in care homes with dementia. I know about 12 people who have had it. All recovered, none in hospital. Early cases were worse (in that they appeared to take longer to recover), more recent ones just like flu (perhaps that’s what they had, although +test which we know isn’t proof. But as posted before I know of 5 local suicides, one of whom I knew, others at one remove.
I really find it difficult at this stage to understand why people are maintaining their fear when most don’t know people who have died, or if they do, would be expected to die soon anyway. By this stage you would think they would start to question.
My previously pro-lockdown friend in tier 2 has said she is totally ignoring the rules and invited me to hers. Said her son is going with a group of friends to the coast this weekend and has given up doing anything about Covid. Also her neighbours have had loads of people round throughout, have all had it and all leading life now as normal.
There seem to be 4 groups of people:
1) Sceptical and ignore the rules
2) Sceptical and would like to ignore the rules but can’t because of outside forces
3) Not saying a work but ignoring all the rules and leading life as normal as much as possible (usually wear masks to obscure their general “disobedience”
4) Suckers, believe it and obey the rules

I am in group 2, by the way. And at the moment I totally despair of any end to this. Because it isn’t about the virus.
I’m going to have a drink now and try to forget.

216498 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Jo, 2, #1117 of 2423 🔗

typo – should be word, not work. I need that drink to be able to spell correctly

216543 ▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to Jo, 6, #1118 of 2423 🔗

I ignore the rules, never mask anymore, had a lovely holiday in Scotland with a big group of friends in September renter not interested in the rules etc etc. I have had major depression for a long time, did a Thrive course that finished just as lockdown started, Im good as gold now, if I didnt do it when I did. I am sure I wouldnt be here now 100%

216557 ▶▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Iansn, 4, #1119 of 2423 🔗

Great stuff, good for you and glad to hear it.
I am struggling. Find it frustrating that people still believe the rubbish.

216388 Banjones, 5, #1120 of 2423 🔗

Every day Toby gives us the link to the petition against the wearing of muzzles. Every day I check it. It is growing suspiciously slowly.
Or, could it be? most people are happy to continue wearing muzzles.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/331430

216389 DRW, 19, #1121 of 2423 🔗

Not had a good day today, my fleeting optimism from yesterday is gone. Just thinking, How the hell can we ever turn this around? Small victories just aren’t enough with what we’re up against.

216391 godowneasy, 6, #1122 of 2423 🔗

ok this is pretty gross but I don’t feel as though I should suffer alone.

216393 Nessimmersion, replying to Nessimmersion, 13, #1123 of 2423 🔗

Swinney of the Spiteful Nannying Party is keeping up the Natzi tradition by making muzzles compulsory for teachers and pupils all the time in the classroom.

Given the known harms from children wearing masks we need Nuremberg style trials for the politicians, senjor public sector and prominent scare mongers.
We need to have a proper register of those above, so they can be held accountable with nonwrigglingbout of it, as the saying goes.

https://www.sott.net/article/442455-German-Neurologist-Warns-Against-Wearing-Facemasks-Oxygen-Deprivation-Causes-Permanent-Neurological-Damage

216427 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Nessimmersion, 11, #1124 of 2423 🔗

One step closer to mandatory at all times, everywhere, forever, which is still the goal and has been since day one.

Parents acquiescing to the abuse of their children like this need to take a long, hard look at themselves.

216450 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Richard O, 6, #1125 of 2423 🔗

Indeed, do people not wonder why all of the sign language actors have been so prominent at daily briefings of late. Can’t read lips if everybody is muzzled.

Wake the fuck up people

216452 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to stefarm, 17, #1126 of 2423 🔗

They can make it as mandatory as they fucking like, I’m still not wearing one.

216466 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hubes, replying to Richard O, 11, #1127 of 2423 🔗

Same here. Not worn one anywhere. Never will

216510 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Hubes, 5, #1128 of 2423 🔗

I’m with you. I’ll never comply.

216523 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Alethea, 5, #1129 of 2423 🔗

And I.

216542 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Alethea, 4, #1130 of 2423 🔗

+1

216535 ▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Richard O, 4, #1131 of 2423 🔗

Defo damo, disgusting things

216629 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Richard O, 2, #1132 of 2423 🔗

I’d be home-schooling if I had kids…

216473 ▶▶ Ian Reid, replying to Nessimmersion, 2, #1133 of 2423 🔗

Macron has made it compulsory for all children aged over 6 in French schools to wear masks.
https://www.gouvernement.fr/en/coronavirus-covid-19

Just when you think you can’t hate them anymore, they find a way to make you do so.

216396 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #1134 of 2423 🔗

Footage of earthquake in Turkey and Greece: Tut,tut, rescuers not social distancing.

216472 ▶▶ annie, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #1135 of 2423 🔗

Presumably any positive-testing students thereabouts will be left buried under the rubble.

216501 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to annie, #1136 of 2423 🔗

Presumably.

216538 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #1137 of 2423 🔗

14 dead…. of Covid, obviously.

216400 Paul, replying to Paul, 18, #1138 of 2423 🔗

Today’s madness update from South Lincolnshire.
Some of the county and local councilors appear to be begging for this area to be put into some kind of strict lockdown,if they get a big wad of money of course to pay for more cycle routes and racism/gender workshops etc,I could strangle these moronic c**ts with my bare hands !,there are quite a few in the zombie public that agree with them aswell.
Our town has now got a memorial bench dedicated to the ‘victims of covid’ donated by virtue signalling local businesses,not victims of cancer,heart disease,suicide,road accidents,murder or anything else,oh no,those deaths aren’t good or important enough.
Apparently we can look forward to getting a nice blue bench to celebrate the NHS soon.

216417 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Paul, 6, #1139 of 2423 🔗

Get some black and yellow tape NOW and tape that health hazard off immediately! It’s your civic duty. Don’t they know it will be a hot-spot for the Covid? What are they thinking of? 🙂

p.s. Re: Cash for Lockdowns: Derbyshire has been put up a level from tomorrow. Derbyshire County Council is broke – just saying. MW

216429 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Paul, 5, #1140 of 2423 🔗

Because money talks. And these people are amoral. Yes, it’s disgusting. They’re disgusting – and they don’t even recognise it in themselves.

216406 Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, 12, #1141 of 2423 🔗

NEVER ENDING MORONIC FUN!

Jeremy Hunt: Little Evidence Having Covid Gives You Immunity

So… if with the allegedly new virus “SARS-CoV-2” the Immune System cannot keep immunity, how in hell a piece of that “virus” injected with other garbage will generate it?!

216424 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Voz 0db, 2, #1142 of 2423 🔗

Hunt (did I spell that correctly?) – another with a PPE degree and very little of Real World – let alone SCIENCE – experience except that which his family money could buy (failed).
How do these people get into positions that should require scientific qualification or experience? Know where the bodies are buried, perhaps?

216438 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Voz 0db, 3, #1143 of 2423 🔗

Do watch Dr Mike Yeadon with Anna Brees. (unless it’s been removed, as has Alex Belfield’s video about empty testing stations….)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y51GICqL9E

216509 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Banjones, 2, #1144 of 2423 🔗

Now why would YouTube want to remove videos showing empty testing stations?

You don’t think someone put them up to it, do you?

/sarc

216628 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1145 of 2423 🔗

Because it might just occur to people that these places are waiting to be turned into mass vaccination stations or isolation camps for dissenters?

216413 tonys, replying to tonys, 6, #1146 of 2423 🔗

Clive Myrie shroud waving on the BBC news, it still has the power to shock me at least, just how much lying bullshit they can get away with.

216439 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to tonys, 1, #1147 of 2423 🔗

Sounds like what I’ve just linked to above. Apologies, didn’t realise you’d already posted about it.

216414 Edward Lear, replying to Edward Lear, 11, #1148 of 2423 🔗

The bbc is disgraceful. They are leading with the headline “Covid spreading faster in England that worse case scenario” – based, of course, on SAGE documents. Today I listened to professor Tim Spector’s update from his study which is based on a sample of 1 million and he tells us that 1) cases are rising but mainly in the young 2) the data given by the government needs to be contextualised to show that a) “we are noot seeing a greater number of deaths than we would expect in this year” and b) Covid is the 15th most common cause of death this year. Is any of this reported? No it is not. They all should be hung, drawn and quartered!

216456 ▶▶ Hubes, replying to Edward Lear, 1, #1149 of 2423 🔗

Torture them first for 3 weeks (7+ months)

216419 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 4, #1150 of 2423 🔗

Don’t ”do” Twatter. But if there’s a website for ”Far from the Covid Crowd” I’d be only too happy to give them quite a lot of custom!

216440 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Banjones, 1, #1151 of 2423 🔗

There is a link to the website in the article

216423 Gladiatrix, replying to Gladiatrix, 14, #1152 of 2423 🔗

I have donated to Recovery but see no point in asking for a public inquiry. It will drag on for years, the Government and Civil Service will just hide behind it. There was an inquiry after the Foot and Mouth debacle, and what were the consequences for the disgracefully incompetent Neil Ferguson? None whatsoever. Which is why he has been allowed to do exactly the same during the SARS outbreak and again now.
He and SAGE need to be held legally and professionally accountable by the criminal courts, the GMC and the membership bodies they belong to.

216444 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Gladiatrix, 8, #1153 of 2423 🔗

I agree they need to be prosecuted.

The GMC are dross. Hold no faith in anything from them until regime change.

216461 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Basics, 5, #1154 of 2423 🔗

I’d like to see something like a pillory tour bus. Boris, Wankonck, Pantsdown, Vallium et al. Harvey Goldsmith could promote the tour around the UK, with the bus pulling into the packed stadium. Leave the public to decide what they should through at them.

216465 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #1155 of 2423 🔗

The bus might get w few dents!!!!

216640 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to PoshPanic, #1156 of 2423 🔗

We can dream…

216782 ▶▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to Basics, #1157 of 2423 🔗

Yes, but can we find a straight judge?

216426 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 2, #1158 of 2423 🔗

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54750775 Covid spreading faster in England than ‘worst-case scenario’, documents show

216437 ▶▶ MizakeTheMizan, replying to p02099003, 8, #1159 of 2423 🔗

“We refuse to acknowledge that we were wrong” say wrong people.

216459 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to p02099003, 11, #1160 of 2423 🔗

We don’t give a fuck, you morons will swallow any shit we come up with and do exactly as we say like the good little slaves you are. Frankly, you deserve to be completely fucked over, again and again.

216578 ▶▶ Sara, replying to p02099003, 4, #1161 of 2423 🔗

So what if it is? It has been going round the universities. My son caught it (probably – we didn’t get tested, but lots of teenagers and staff at the school tested positive) so I and my OH caught it, all without major problems. It is just a cold that starts off with a temperature, finishes with congestion and cough and takes about two weeks to run its course. No big deal as long as you can avoid going near any frail or vulnerable people.

216582 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Sara, 1, #1162 of 2423 🔗

It’s the BBC fearmongering again.

216706 ▶▶ annie, replying to p02099003, 1, #1163 of 2423 🔗

The zombie comments on this article convince me that any contact with the Beeb causes instant brain death.

216431 Basics, 3, #1164 of 2423 🔗

You tube has autoplayed it’s way onto the bill and ben graph to-the-moon press conference as broadcast by talk radio, the full visual.

To talk radio’s great credit as the press conference went out live the presenter dipped into the conference to point out with incredulity the nonprediction claim of bill and ben’s prediction. Talkradio not buying it from the start live.

Radio host interupting again to say we are hearing chris whitty talk there and I just can’t listen to that…

The lying nature of the coference too much for even the presenter.

216432 Voz 0db, 1, #1165 of 2423 🔗

France… I guess all this that is being done to the French slaves DOES NOT reach the horrific action of Macron trying to apply a new fuel tax!

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216436 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 6, #1166 of 2423 🔗

The MSM, and especially the BBC, have plumbed new depths – if such were possible – in dealing with COVID issues, but this piece from Clive Myrie reporting from Arizona is something else. It’s propaganda of the worst kind. Disgusting, vile, filth. Try and watch it; it’s difficult, but persevere. The title is:

‘This pandemic is instant death’

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-54745441

216447 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Tenchy, 10, #1167 of 2423 🔗

I’ll take your word for it. Anyone who buys this is as much my enemy as those who produced it.

The title is not wholly false though. This pandemic is instant death: for truth, freedom, dignity, decency and much else besides.

216504 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1168 of 2423 🔗

I managed the first 15 seconds. It’s like a parody of itself. In fact, is it a parody of itself? If I’d made it into the 16th or 17th second, would Chris Morris have popped up out of the coffin with which the film begins?

216526 ▶▶ DomW, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1169 of 2423 🔗

I’m curious but I won’t click on BBC links on the grounds that to do so would cause me severe distress

216778 ▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1170 of 2423 🔗

You’ve seen it so I don’t have to! Clive Myrie gives me the creeps.

216441 Mark, replying to Mark, 33, #1171 of 2423 🔗

Not from some fringe or conspiracist figure, nor even from a judge not directly involved in media – this comes FROM THE DAILY TELEGRAPH’S SENIOR CONTENT EDITOR .

Don’t you think she might have direct knowledge of what is going on in our media? Anyone still going to try to pretend that opinion isn’t being actively distorted and manipulated, ffs!? Any of the numpties getting their opinions from the mainstream and social media ready to accept that they have NO BASIS FOR HOLDING THE OPINIONS they so virulently spout at “fringe views” and “conspiracy theorists”?

Second, and arguably worse, is the near-censorship of dissenting scientific views as a result of regulatory body Ofcom’s ‘coronavirus guidelines’, which effectively blocks the media from publishing professional, accredited, expert analysis – debate even – that doesn’t tow SAGE’s party line .”

Conspiracy or not, this Covid strategy is deeply sinister
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/30/conspiracy-not-covid-strategy-deeply-sinister/

216485 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Mark, 8, #1172 of 2423 🔗

Thanks for the link, Mark; she is certainly making some sense. Nice to see.

…I am certainly not of the opinion that nearly every leader in the world is embroiled in some Machiavellian plot to reshape our global society.

I think she could have questioned this a bit more; I would question why just about every government seems to be reading from the same script.

One would think there would be ‘leaders’ who would look at at rules such as ‘you must wear a mask while you are being shown to your table in a pub/restaurant’ and think it absurd, and dimiss it. But, no, they are all doing it.

Of course, there are plenty of other absurd rules available to which a ‘normal’ leader would say, “I’m not doing/enforcing that!”, but then they do.

Just my 2p. 🙂

216518 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Mark, #1173 of 2423 🔗

Wish I could get at the DT links – this one does look particularly good.

216537 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to CGL, 1, #1174 of 2423 🔗

There those who say pressing the Esc key while the page loads gets a useful result. 🙂

216544 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Mark, 5, #1175 of 2423 🔗

The conspiracy theories stem from the fact that this situation is so absurd.As she puts it in the piece think how life has been upturned in the last 8 months.There is no logical explanation for the fact that leaders worldwide have embarked on this course.
It’s inconceivable that they do not know the facts that we do.
Worldwide conspiracy seems to be the most likely reason,

216583 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 3, #1176 of 2423 🔗

Well, they also have in common they are all weak humans who love power and fear being blamed for deaths and copy each other

216607 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Julian, 2, #1177 of 2423 🔗

So they would rather be blamed for the destruction of their societies and economies and many more deaths due to their actions.
They could have stepped back numerous times but have instead doubled down..

217611 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #1178 of 2423 🔗

Their thinking seems to be that they will get blamed for covid deaths but not for less immediate or obvious deaths and other consequences caused by lockdown.

216684 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 2, #1179 of 2423 🔗

I suggested we needed a new word perhaps “prospiracy”. I don’t think the virus was deliberately manufactured and/or released but clearly big players have been thinking about pandemucs and how they might take advantage of them.

What we have now is a weird alignment of interests and a series of alliances of varying degrees of amity . It goes something like Big Pharma-UN-WHO-China-US Democrats-globalist tech billionaires-MSM-Far Left Marxists -Soros-Davos-globalist technocratic political elite (Merkel and Macron).

This alliance of interest is now acting in concert to propagate fear, prevent a return to normality, defeat populism, and embed the globalist No Borders PC ideology which can only work if you have a cowed and compliant populace.

216733 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to OKUK, #1180 of 2423 🔗

New world order.Gates uses his medical contacts/placemen to facilitate crisis.Soros uses his paid agitators to create diversion and disunity.WEF Step in with the solution.National Governments go along with this as they are conditioned to think globally and act not in the National intrest

216842 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mark, #1181 of 2423 🔗

This is the third sceptical piece she’s published this week.
Thinking I might keep my subscription going for another month ….

216443 Tony Prince, replying to Tony Prince, 7, #1182 of 2423 🔗
216660 ▶▶ janis pennance, replying to Tony Prince, 1, #1183 of 2423 🔗

Just epic from Ivor

216462 Ossettian, 41, #1184 of 2423 🔗

I had a plumber round today, from a local firm big enough to always answer the phone.

Opened the door: no mask. He gestured at his van and said “Do you want me to wear…?”

I said “No: it’s a load of bollocks”

He smiled and came in.

216463 Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, 8, #1185 of 2423 🔗

In the meantime this is the result of OPERATION COVID in Africa!

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Endless fun!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaQYqT6mQJA

216469 ▶▶ annie, replying to Voz 0db, 3, #1186 of 2423 🔗

Social distancing the BLM way.
Their lives matter.

216551 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Voz 0db, 2, #1187 of 2423 🔗

Economies still don’t matter zealots?

216470 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 6, #1188 of 2423 🔗

Tune for the weekend suggestion. Fuck em and Their Law..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKNoU2P0dQc

216494 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #1189 of 2423 🔗

Luvverly.

216489 Basics, replying to Basics, 34, #1190 of 2423 🔗

I have noticed a pattern in the government timing of communication. Weekends are being destroyed by a deliberate looming of some announcement or other. All of the announcements/scandal/u-turns drift through a weekend. Going back months. I propose a theory this it to cause maximum stress of the population by giving no let up in the psychological attack.

This weekend begins with statements and denials about national lockdowns – you can already hear andrew marrs voice talking on Sunday morning to some government shit about the lockdown. The interview will be pointless without adding anything other than further confusion and worry in viewers.

216499 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Basics, 17, #1191 of 2423 🔗

Definitely a pattern of psychological abuse. Who needs Lord Haw Haw when you’ve got the UK government?

216528 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to thinkaboutit, 16, #1192 of 2423 🔗

They hanged Lord Haw Haw.
Precedents can be useful.

216741 ▶▶▶▶ Bill h, replying to annie, 1, #1193 of 2423 🔗

Yep. Needs to Twist in the Wind.

216571 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to thinkaboutit, 7, #1194 of 2423 🔗

We have our own Lord Haw Haw in Piers Morgan.

216775 ▶▶▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #1195 of 2423 🔗

Andrew Marr is nearly as bad. Used to respect him now utterly despise him

216506 MutzNutz, replying to MutzNutz, 5, #1196 of 2423 🔗

Apologies if this has already been posted here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-SwbhDIdxY

216531 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to MutzNutz, 3, #1197 of 2423 🔗

It has, but there’s no need to apologise. There are a lot of posts on here (not all will read them all) and it’s good to get links like this posted throughout the page. 🙂

216587 ▶▶ Tking, replying to MutzNutz, #1198 of 2423 🔗

Thanks for that, had not seen it, great video

216513 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 29, #1199 of 2423 🔗

Just finished a video link talk with elder son and his partner and I suggested that they watch the talk between Richard Madeley and Neil Oliver on Talk radio,”if it’s about not wearing masks,etc,we don’t want to know,etc”
Amazing what university education does for people, ain’t it?

216516 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Fingerache Philip., 10, #1200 of 2423 🔗

Trouble is they already know everything!

216519 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to CGL, 5, #1201 of 2423 🔗

They think they do.

216694 ▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to CGL, 4, #1202 of 2423 🔗

Higher education indeed!!

216517 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Fingerache Philip., 14, #1203 of 2423 🔗

Living in denial. These people will willingly hop into cattle trucks when the time comes.

216521 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Richard O, 6, #1204 of 2423 🔗

I honestly think that they would.

216525 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Fingerache Philip., 14, #1205 of 2423 🔗

You have my sympathy that your own flesh and blood has been taken by the cult. It will be your call as to when relations need to be terminated (for your own protection, not theirs).

216532 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Richard O, 10, #1206 of 2423 🔗

Yes, it’s a civil war even between families, I’m afraid.
Thank you, Bojo,advisers, experts, et al.

216700 ▶▶▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to Richard O, 4, #1207 of 2423 🔗

We are being labelled a cult as well. I’ve always preferred smaller cults…can always get a good view of our leader, no bad seats

216704 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Eddie, 5, #1208 of 2423 🔗

A global death cult could come up with no better slur with which to slander its opponents than labelling them a cult.

216527 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Fingerache Philip., 15, #1209 of 2423 🔗

Universities: closing minds since the twelfth century.

216534 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Nick Rose, 10, #1210 of 2423 🔗

You have a point, his younger brother who didn’t go to university is as sceptical as me and has been an avid supporter of lockdown sceptics right from the beginning.

216540 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Nick Rose, 9, #1211 of 2423 🔗

That was their original purpose. A universitas was a trade guild. Guilds existed to prevent all but a small number of privileged people from practising a particular craft. The universitas scholarium was the guild of learning. It existed in order to ensure that learning was confined to the privileged, right-thinking few. ‘Right-thinking’ generally meant ‘agreeing with the person who puts up the money’ and/ or ‘the person currently wielding the big stick’.

216625 ▶▶▶▶ mari, replying to annie, 4, #1212 of 2423 🔗

Absolutely spot on there. Potential PM’s for example, are weeded out early for having a particular mind-set and slowly groomed…

216816 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #1213 of 2423 🔗

Dark Satanic mills!

216545 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Fingerache Philip., 5, #1214 of 2423 🔗

Mine is doing a great job of angering me a lot.

216548 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Fingerache Philip., 5, #1215 of 2423 🔗

Universities teach people what to think not how to think these days

216649 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 3, #1216 of 2423 🔗

How to think ‘safely’

216563 ▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Fingerache Philip., 12, #1217 of 2423 🔗

Just come off the phone to my sister who asked if I was still not wearing a mask. I told her wild horses wouldn’t get me to strap one on. ‘Your niece has just put her face in her hands’
(phone obviously on hands free). Niece is a thirty three year old teacher who has totally embraced the Covid narrative. Took great pride in giving all the family a nice designer mask some months ago. I wonder why she missed me out?!

216586 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Harry hopkins, 6, #1218 of 2423 🔗

In your position I would have blocked her number long ago.

216714 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Harry hopkins, #1219 of 2423 🔗

Hope you had a good birthday -presumably the Junction shut from Monday.

216780 ▶▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to arfurmo, 2, #1220 of 2423 🔗

A good birthday arfur…thanks. Regarding the Junction—unless they sell pies or pizzas across the counter:-)

216514 guy153, replying to guy153, 7, #1221 of 2423 🔗

Some more woke gobbledygook:

https://bristoluniversitypress.co.uk/beer-and-racism

The research must have been hard work. I wonder how many pints it takes to tell if a beer is racist. Probably a couple, or three to be sure.

216522 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to guy153, 3, #1222 of 2423 🔗

You have to check the cask all the way to the bottom.

216562 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to guy153, 1, #1223 of 2423 🔗

They’ve got to be having a laugh ? Surely ??

216613 ▶▶▶ mari, replying to JohnB, 1, #1224 of 2423 🔗

Oh, they are!

216530 KatieMarie, replying to KatieMarie, 33, #1225 of 2423 🔗

I’ve just finished watching an excellent interview on TalkRadio with Richard Madeley and Neil Oliver (aired 28th) where they discuss our drifting towards a police state and risks to freedom of speech.
I’d like to ask people to assess whether, if they are truly honest with themselves, we are not already there. The Rubicon, as was their analogy, has already been crossed.

Before I continue, I will say I am speaking about those supporting the government narrative, not those honourable, intelligent scientists, doctors and journalists who are speaking out against.

As far as the establishment is concerned, we only have freedom of speech if we are saying what they are telling us we can say. The new hate crime laws being foisted on us by Nippy Sturgeon (and soon you, too, England and Wales) proves the point well enough, but so does the sheer volume of material which is removed or banned from search engines/social media/online content when it doesn’t fit their narrative.
That is not freedom of speech.

The messages we see on our televisions are both subliminally and openly coercive. “Here’s what’s normal. Here’s what it is acceptable to think.”
That is not freedom of thought.

Even before lockdown, the police force was becoming more and more politicised, more woke, more left-wing. The public is already suspicious of them, and distrusting. Their conduct during various public gatherings is not neutral policing. They are heavy-handed with certain groups, while others are allowed to run riot.

Since lockdown, the lies (and yes, incompetence) of the government are absolutely exposed. And Neil Oliver is spot on in saying they’re still keeping on in a blinkered fashion, because they’ve bet too much; they’ve played all their chips on this one gamble. They’re terrified of losing control (read: money).

But also has come to light the fact that our science is bought and paid for. It’s biased. It’s no longer about presenting factual data and peer-reviewing. Why? Money.

Further, it has come to light even our nation’s doctors have disregarded their Hippocratic Oaths. The NHS is choosing not to treat people. And why? Because the government is telling them to prepare for a second wave…there wasn’t a first wave! The hospitals were empty! They were doing Tick-Tock videos while we were all clapping deifying the NHS.

We are told where we can go, what we can do, how long we can do it for, who we can do it with, and what we can say. And if we rebel? We are punished, arrested, fined.
That’s Communism.

The Rubicon has already been crossed.
The establishment is rotten.

216599 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to KatieMarie, 13, #1226 of 2423 🔗

The compliance is largely being imposed by us, on ourselves. Little or no actual state coercion required. Now even the carefully constructed propaganda has been dispensed with, it’s just outright lies and absurdity. It really is the strangest form of totalitarianism.

216610 ▶▶▶ mari, replying to Richard O, 7, #1227 of 2423 🔗

Too true, very easy to get the public to police itself, that’s part of their game plan.

216614 ▶▶ RickH, replying to KatieMarie, 2, #1228 of 2423 🔗

That’s Communism.”

No – that’s totalitarianism. Currently imposed by the most right wing government of my lifetime. Political fictions don’t cut the mustard.

216635 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to RickH, 11, #1229 of 2423 🔗

Old labels are no longer applicable.This is technocratic fascism,which is very close to communism despite decades of Soviet propaganda which painted fascism as a right wing ideology.

216644 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 2, #1230 of 2423 🔗

Agreed, that’s how I’d describe it too.

216662 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 9, #1231 of 2423 🔗

the most right wing government of my lifetime.

LOL! Jumping the shark on political analysis.

Right wing governments – your actual conservatives – don’t worship state healthcare, don’t sit quietly by while their police chiefs “take the knee” to radical leftist thug mobs, don’t use the magic money tree endlessly, and don’t continue policies of mass immigration instituted by leftist predecessors and designed to radically change society forever, in order to “rub the right’s noses in diversity”.

And that’s just for starters.

216864 ▶▶▶▶ KatieMarie, replying to Mark, 2, #1232 of 2423 🔗

‘And that’s just for starters.’

*Raises eyebrows and nods in agreement*

216758 ▶▶ ColoradoGirl, replying to KatieMarie, 5, #1233 of 2423 🔗

Completely agree.

216533 Pil Lockey, replying to Pil Lockey, 2, #1234 of 2423 🔗

Great reporting and hopefully soon Will and Toby will become aware of the fact that this whole global lockdown scenario has nothing to do with a seasonal flu virus.

216566 ▶▶ John P, replying to Pil Lockey, #1235 of 2423 🔗

I wasn’t aware than anyone was claiming that ?

216633 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Pil Lockey, -1, #1236 of 2423 🔗

Silly pointless comment.

216539 2 pence, replying to 2 pence, 13, #1237 of 2423 🔗

Ireland:
We have reached peak insanity in this country when the point of discussion on a key current affairs program is the government ban on the purchase of socks.

What’s it actually going to take?
https://twitter.com/fionamflanagan1/status/1322123795424022528

216550 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to 2 pence, 8, #1238 of 2423 🔗

Kinda sums up the low level of discourse in the Irish media sadly. Yeh – let’s ignore the total destruction of Irish society and talk about socks.

216561 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to godowneasy, 5, #1239 of 2423 🔗

I actually laughed out loud watching this. It is very funny, at many levels. The fact that the minister’s surname is “English” added a further layer of irony. I think a lot of these people are paid actors.

216552 ▶▶ Liam, replying to 2 pence, 3, #1240 of 2423 🔗

She should have stripped naked when he claimed clothes are not essential.

216553 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to 2 pence, 4, #1241 of 2423 🔗

Socks are not essential for peasants.

216654 ▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Richard O, 1, #1242 of 2423 🔗

Nothing is essential for peasants, apart from work. The peasant’s work is essential for the: manufacturing and selling of goods, tending to the sick, delivering of goods, transport of other peasants on their way to work etc.
Luckily, the media, civil servants, and others are very happy about this situation and would like it to continue.

216560 DThom, 23, #1243 of 2423 🔗

Despite living in the lurgy ridden North East I find it strange that every time I ask someone if they know anyone who has had the virus, the answer is no!

216570 dickyboy, replying to dickyboy, 9, #1244 of 2423 🔗

“New coronavirus measures rolled out in three Swedish regions, including Stockholm and Gothenburg”

“According to the new guidelines, which are outlined on the Public Health Agency’s website and are effective immediately, everyone in Stockholm, Västra Götaland and Östergötland are strongly urged to:

“Refrain from being in indoor environments such as shops, shopping centres, museums, libraries, swimming pools and gyms. Necessary visits to for example grocery stores and pharmacies are ok.

“Refrain from attending, for example, meetings, concerts, performances, sports training, matches and competitions. This advisory does not apply to sports training for children born 2005 or later.

“If possible avoid physical contact with people other than those you live with. According to the Public Health Agency, this includes for example attending or throwing a party or similar social gatherings.

I don’t think I can get any more depressed than I am now…

https://www.thelocal.se/20201029/new-coronavirus-measures-for-three-swedish-regions-including-stockholm-and-gothenburg

216572 ▶▶ Julian, replying to dickyboy, 10, #1245 of 2423 🔗

All guidance

No compulsion

216580 ▶▶▶ dickyboy, replying to Julian, 5, #1246 of 2423 🔗

not yet. but the same kind of ‘rules’ as everywhere else. there is no escape, this is worldwide. only the minor details are varying.

216591 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Julian, 9, #1247 of 2423 🔗

So far. But losing Flagship Sweden will be a major blow.

216671 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to DRW, 4, #1248 of 2423 🔗

Even if it gets worse it will still be better than here. They’ve been pretty steady so far and are being overcautious but not in the same league as our clown government.

216630 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Julian, 2, #1249 of 2423 🔗

Exactly.

216590 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to dickyboy, 1, #1250 of 2423 🔗

Sweden will end up in the same place as everywhere else.

216592 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Richard O, 4, #1251 of 2423 🔗

We have wondered before on here if they’ve just been a control arm of this experiment.

216655 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to DRW, 5, #1252 of 2423 🔗

Undoubtedly. Now that the experiment has conclusively proven that none of the Covid measures make a blind bit of difference (and actually make things much worse), and that the vast majority neither know nor care that this is the case, it can be terminated forthwith.

216667 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to DRW, 1, #1253 of 2423 🔗

Who is conducting this experiment and why would Sweden participate?

216595 ▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to dickyboy, 4, #1254 of 2423 🔗

It’s a casedemic… look at the deaths… 2 or 3 per day… it’s below zero in parts of Sweden at the moment.

216674 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Lockdown Truth, 2, #1255 of 2423 🔗

Below zero?You mean the dead are rising and walking a out?

216725 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to annie, 1, #1256 of 2423 🔗

In America. Name’s Joe Biden.

216612 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to dickyboy, 4, #1257 of 2423 🔗

If you can read Swedish and look more closely and the longer version of the advice, it is not at all as bad as it sounds from the bit you copied above 🙂

216631 ▶▶▶ dickyboy, replying to Carrie, 5, #1258 of 2423 🔗

My only Swedish comes from the Muppet Show although I was thinking of learning umtil now. Can you paraphrase?

216668 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to dickyboy, 9, #1259 of 2423 🔗

The longer version contains a lot of ‘ where possible ‘ and ‘ if not necessary/urgent ‘ as well as phrases like ‘ this does not include/mean ‘ etc.

It specifically says people can work, go to gyms, shop etc, but to where/if possible *try* to avoid being in crowded situations * for prolonged periods *.

They make suggestions like sharing cars with * people you already regularly have contact with *, as opposed to with someone new or that you don’t usually see that often. If you have to travel by bus, if possible travel at less busy times and do not sit next to someone unless it is someone you already spend a lot of time with.

It’s about reducing contacts and not spending overly-long periods in crowded situations; * not * totally avoiding all social interaction.

216719 ▶▶▶▶▶ dickyboy, replying to Carrie, 2, #1260 of 2423 🔗

Thanks Carrie.

216638 ▶▶ leggy, replying to dickyboy, 14, #1261 of 2423 🔗

I arrived in Stockholm today. I’m about to go and sit at a bar and have a beer. All fairly normal so far.

216642 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to leggy, 3, #1262 of 2423 🔗

Enjoy the beer! fairly?

216645 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to leggy, 3, #1263 of 2423 🔗

Great to hear, enjoy one of the last vestiges of real normality whilst it lasts.

216687 ▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to leggy, 3, #1264 of 2423 🔗

Keep us posted leggy…you’re in one of the last sane regions on this planet. Enjoy!!

216698 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to leggy, 2, #1265 of 2423 🔗

Välkommen till Sverige 🙂

How was the flight? Was there 100% masking onboard and at Arlanda?

216708 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to leggy, #1266 of 2423 🔗

How much a pint, please?

216727 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to arfurmo, #1267 of 2423 🔗

About £20!!

216728 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to CGL, #1268 of 2423 🔗

Aaaaaaarrrrghhhh!!!!!!

216904 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Cheezilla, #1269 of 2423 🔗

Alcohol is tightly controlled in Sweden – apart from bars, restaurants and pubs, you can’t buy it in supermarkets, or any shop apart from the state-run ‘Systembolaget’.

216584 Alethea, replying to Alethea, 15, #1270 of 2423 🔗

For sceptics with literary tastes, I report the disappointing news that Alfred, Lord Tennyson was an early proponent of the MSM covid narrative in the shape of his popular poem ‘The Lady of Shalott.’

Although a young woman afflicted by none of the known co-morbidities, the Lady adopts a policy of shielding, confining herself in a tower and avoiding even looking out of the window (presumably fearing aerosol transmission).

There she weaves by night and day
A magic web with colours gay.

Interesting to note this early iteration of the NHS rainbow, in textile form; a nice conflation of the patriotic Lockdown artwork with the psychological yearning for a cocoon.

She has heard a whisper say,
A curse is on her if she stay
To look down to Camelot.

A Sage whisper, obviously.

She knows not what the curse may be,
And so she weaveth steadily,
And little other care hath she,
The Lady of Shalott.

I think we’ve all observed this kind of magical thinking in the rites of the covid believers.

Although determined to stay safe, stay home and protect the Camelot health service, the Lady loves her community and socialises responsibly via a state-of-the-art visual technology.

And moving through a mirror clear
That hangs before her all the year,
Shadows of the world appear.
There she sees the highway near
Winding down to Camelot.

It seems that her neighbours, regrettably, have failed to comply re social distancing. Troops of damsels, pairs of knights, and other irresponsible figures pass by, the ultimate effect being to overturn her respect for government guidance.

Or when the moon was overhead,
Came two young lovers lately wed:
‘I am half sick of shadows,’ said
The Lady of Shalott.

The final straw is the appearance in her mirror of Lancelot, surely the most eligible bachelor on the Love in a Covid Climate forum. He’s handsome, he’s dashing, he has a splendid horse and ‘a mighty silver bugle’ hanging from his ‘blazoned baldric.’

She left the web, she left the Zoom,
She made three paces through the room,
She saw the waterlilies bloom,
She saw the helmet and the plume,
She looked down to Camelot.

This is where the poet comes over all SPI-B.

Out flew the web and floated wide;
The laptop cracked from side to side;
‘The curse is come upon me,’ cried
The Lady of Shalott.

To cut a long story short, she goes down to the river, gets into a boat, and dies by sundown.
As Matt Hancock told us: if you go out, PEOPLE WILL DIE.

216682 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to Alethea, 5, #1271 of 2423 🔗

Here’s to you Alethea and all the other most creative and excellent writers on this site. Keep posting your great works!!

216716 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Alethea, 2, #1272 of 2423 🔗

Brilliant!!!

216594 Margaret, 13, #1273 of 2423 🔗

Ivor Cummins retweeted this from Trent Hardcastle.

“The deception of the COVID-19 pandemic mainly arises as a result of the manipulation by OMISSION OF WHAT IS NORMAL. (My emphasis)
The fact that proportionality and perspective is being masked and distorted tells you that the fearmongering is deliberate and targeted”

I think this nails it.

216597 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 5, #1274 of 2423 🔗

Mandy-Rose Morgan reads her “letter to Boris Johnson”
https://www.facebook.com/100009468065860/videos/2800877803571128

216622 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to PastImperfect, 2, #1275 of 2423 🔗

Wow. Awesome speech!

216736 ▶▶ dommo, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #1276 of 2423 🔗

all bases covered – very impressive

216603 Tking, replying to Tking, 14, #1277 of 2423 🔗

Tried to get a takeaway tonight from a well known fast food place for my partner, you can’t walk in and order at the counter like in the good old days, you have to download their app to order your meal, or order online and get it delivered.
The place was a 10 minute walk from my home, and I didn’t have my phone on me, and it’s so ancient it probably would not have run the app anyway. I walked home and gave up.
So unless you have a smart phone or an internet connection/computer, which not everyone does, you can’t order any food from them, absolutely pathetic.

216627 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Tking, 8, #1278 of 2423 🔗

I wonder how much business they are ACQUIRING as a result of that policy?
I wonder how much business they are LOSING as a result of that policy?

216648 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Tking, 3, #1279 of 2423 🔗

And you have to pay extra for the ‘privilege’ of using the bloody app. I ordered from a local Indian takeaway once using Just Eat and discovered that it cost an extra couple of quid than it would have done if I’d phoned and ordered directly.

216693 ▶▶▶ Peter, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 1, #1280 of 2423 🔗

A similar experience today. Was out and about in central London and fancied a pint circa 3pm. Was “ordered” to sanitise my hands to which I refused and was begrudgingly agreed to. Refused to download the Stasi location app and was told, they would allow me in “just this once” but that I had “better get in line” next time. Ordered a beer and sat down, presented a £20 note and the server looked like she had seen her own ghost, almost screamed at me. Was ordered out by the management team saying they wouldn’t “help the spread of the virus” by accepting cash.

The pub.

The Phoenix off Oxford Street, just behind John Lewis. Boycot then and and any pub that insists on cash, they are a part of the hospital industry we can do without

216705 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 1, #1281 of 2423 🔗

I always phone in my orders .

216605 Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 4, #1282 of 2423 🔗

Currently have Channel 5 on – just seen an ad for “Decade of health” over the next 10 years – what is this about? Notice that UNICEF amongst others had its logo at the end.

216609 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Ozzie, 7, #1283 of 2423 🔗

Bill Gates heavily involved again.

216676 ▶▶ MizakeTheMizan, replying to Ozzie, 2, #1284 of 2423 🔗

The “Decade of health” ads look suspiciously like Agenda 21/30 to me.

216958 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to MizakeTheMizan, #1285 of 2423 🔗

‘Decade of health’ but population in lockdown and mass death. Cognitive dissonance anyone?

216702 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Ozzie, 1, #1286 of 2423 🔗

Creepy innit?

216954 ▶▶ Suitejb, replying to Ozzie, #1287 of 2423 🔗

Yes, I’ve seen it two or three times. The timing is interesting, why now?

216615 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 19, #1288 of 2423 🔗

Children In Need will be interesting this year. Normal people trying their very best to make a better life for children in this country while their own government pursues a policy that deliberately demonizes and harms the very same children. All hosted by the broadcaster that through it’s tireless fear propaganda has laid the psychological groundwork for those policies to be accepted by the populace. I wouldn’t watch the BBC anyway but I’d be afraid that the hypocrisy circuit on my TV would blow if I did.

216621 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Achilles, 10, #1289 of 2423 🔗

It’s red mask day that I am worried about!

216701 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Steeve, 1, #1290 of 2423 🔗

Oh yeah!

216623 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Achilles, 6, #1291 of 2423 🔗

Celebrities In Need Of Children ” might be more appropriate this year, especially as their supply chains have been somewhat disrupted by the restrictions.

216626 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Achilles, 3, #1292 of 2423 🔗

I wonder if the lead presenter still gets £70,000 for their “charity” work as in the days of Wogan.

216636 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Achilles, #1293 of 2423 🔗

“Special Covid appeal, donate now!” Absolutely laughable.

216632 DrRoc, 1, #1294 of 2423 🔗

A small typo in Yeadon’s update to his piece risks undermining readers’ confidence in his well-presented argument.

216639 Simon Cook, replying to Simon Cook, 5, #1295 of 2423 🔗

The BBC website lying again I see. Ronaldo wasn’t ill at anytime (he himself called it BS just a few days ago) and simply had 2 positive test results.

Cristiano Ronaldo: Portugal and Juventus forward recovers from coronavirus

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54752098

216652 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Simon Cook, 4, #1296 of 2423 🔗

“Super fit athlete feels fine thanks.”

216664 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Simon Cook, 18, #1297 of 2423 🔗

You know what they say, Simon…

216669 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Simon Cook, 8, #1298 of 2423 🔗

The quarantined Portuguese striker, who reportedly has no symptoms, posted a dismissive message both on Twitter and Instagram, where he added a comment about the swab test that confirmed he still carries the virus.
“PCR is bullshit,” he wrote in reference to the polymerase chain reaction test widely used to detect positive coronavirus cases .

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-29/cristiano-ronaldo-laments-another-positive-coronavirus-test/12825092

216680 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Simon Cook, 2, #1299 of 2423 🔗

How can he recover from something he didn’t have

216641 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 12, #1300 of 2423 🔗

Belgium’s turn. 🙁

https://www.euronews.com/2020/10/30/belgium-becomes-latest-european-country-to-announce-strict-lockdown-amid-soaring-coronavir

Prime Minister Alexander De Croo announced the new measures, which will start on Monday and stay in force for “ at least a month and a half “, at a press conference on Friday.

That “ at least a month and a half “ interests me.

I reckon they will all do this:

  • Lock us down for most of/the whole of November into the 2nd week of December.
  • Then they will open up to ‘let us do Christmas shopping’ and have a ‘normal-ish’ Christmas.
  • Then they will shut us down totally.

And by allowing us a temporary ‘normal’ before a full shutdown, prove that the whole thing is bullshit!

216661 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Ceriain, 5, #1301 of 2423 🔗

Let’s see how many of these lockdowns are lifted before 2021. I suspect none will actually be lifted, ever.

216673 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Richard O, 2, #1302 of 2423 🔗

All over in March. By hook or by crook.

216697 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mr Dee, 2, #1303 of 2423 🔗

My 9 year-old granddaughter told me a couple of weeks ago that we’ll be locked down till March. How does she know?!

216777 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Cheezilla, #1304 of 2423 🔗

Just made it up… like wot SAGE do?

216797 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ceriain, #1305 of 2423 🔗

She’s mathematically quite gifted, so probably more accurate than sage.

216740 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Mr Dee, #1306 of 2423 🔗

What makes you think that?

216672 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1307 of 2423 🔗

Darn masks just don’t seem to be working eh?
One after another here we go again.
I predict all of N America will be in the same predicament 2 weeks from now.
How’s things going in China again?

216692 ▶▶▶ ColoradoGirl, replying to Eddie, #1308 of 2423 🔗

The US is definitely heading that direction. It’s in discussion in every state.

216690 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Ceriain, #1309 of 2423 🔗

Just waiting for the fat dictators turn

216646 NickR, replying to NickR, 4, #1310 of 2423 🔗

Log scale as an option now available. Hospitalisations by NHS trust by reason + bed occupancy. https://davehawkins-shiny.shinyapps.io/hosp_app/

216691 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to NickR, 1, #1311 of 2423 🔗

Thanks for this. I’ve just been trying to find how many beds my local NHS trust have for a total population of about 662,000.
There’s no indication, but I found this:
Currently in our hospitals we have 98 inpatients who have tested positive for Covid-19, 9 of whom are being cared for in our Intensive Care Unit.
Sadly since the start of the pandemic, 205 patients who were being cared for at our Trust and had tested positive for Covid-19, have died*.

205 since February?? In the whole of Kirklees and Calderdale??

We’ve been in local mockdown for a couple of months and are about to go into level 3. Do these numbers seem to justify this?!?

There’s a scary graph here:

216711 ▶▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1312 of 2423 🔗

Looks like there has been a hospital outbreak?

216749 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #1313 of 2423 🔗

205 people who were in hospital. What for? Because they were desperately ill with Covvie? Doesn’t say that, does it?

BTW, note the new, universally used verb ‘to sadlidie’. As if people who haven’t tested pos. for Covvie all happilidie, or die in such a way that we don’t have to be sad about it.

216779 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to annie, 2, #1314 of 2423 🔗

Latest toll:
23 sadlidied
14 happilidied

Yes. It works!

216788 ▶▶▶ NickR, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1315 of 2423 🔗

The red line is occupancy, so effectively a cumulative total. If you click on that it will take it out of the chart & you can see new hospitalisations.
The key issue with all this is that 84% of patients, since march, are inpatients when diagnosed as covid. There aren’t many people who contract this kicking round the streets, nearly everyone is already in the care system.

216866 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to NickR, #1316 of 2423 🔗

That’s really great. Thanks again!
Having played with it, I can see there’s absolutely no justification for tier 3 restrictions here.

216653 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 19, #1317 of 2423 🔗

Missed my trip to Aldi this week – couldn’t face the torrential rain.

So, I decided i could manage for a few days and popped round to the local Nisa shop this afternoon to pick up some bacon and a bottle of vino for the weekend. It was very quiet – just me plus a young bemuzzled woman with two small children. Had a lovely time smiling with the child in the pushchair.

Glad to say the assistant wasn’t wearing anything over her face. I haven’t seen her before but let’s hope the trend continues.

I realised when I got home that maybe the slightly alarmed looks from the two adults were not entirely due to my masklessness. My grey hair is now an uncut medusa mess of mockdown locks and I was dressed in dark grey yoga pants with very baggy knees (I sit cross-legged a lot of the time). They were topped with a reasonably smart black jacket but I must admit the purple crocs did look extremely incongruous.

216658 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1318 of 2423 🔗

I like your style.

216757 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Alethea, #1319 of 2423 🔗

Well it was certainly a style of sorts!

I suspect for those worried about being challenged for going muzzle-free, it might be worth emulating.

I do usually put less horrendous trousers on to go beyond my garden gate. I couldn’t be bothered to change out of my nice warm furry socks and the crocs fit over them no problem….

216659 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #1320 of 2423 🔗

Yes I’m looking increasingly like Castaway these days. Several delivery drivers have been startled at my dishevelled appearance. I couldn’t care less.

216666 ▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to Richard O, 2, #1321 of 2423 🔗

I have generally looked like s**t most of my life, at least that’s what the mirror tells me.
I was a cute kid but about 89% of kids are cute before puberty mangles them.

216675 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Eddie, 6, #1322 of 2423 🔗

My hair gets longer and longer,8 months since last haircut.

Couldn’t give a shit, won’t give a shit.

…until we are free.

216760 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to calchas, 1, #1323 of 2423 🔗

Yes. My hair is a kind of protest badge.

216762 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Eddie, 3, #1324 of 2423 🔗

I like being old. I don’t care what anyone else thinks.
Croneship rocks!

216773 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1325 of 2423 🔗

I like being old. I don’t care what anyone else thinks.

Woohoo! Kindred spirit!

216786 ▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1326 of 2423 🔗

Yep. No longer have to impress anyone. (Not that I ever did.)

216897 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Cheezilla, #1327 of 2423 🔗

Isn’t there a poem that begins ‘When I am old I shall wear purple..’ ?

216713 ▶▶▶ Graham, replying to Richard O, 5, #1328 of 2423 🔗

For sole reason, probably not having anything to spend my money on, I’ve gone the other way, ordering racks of shirts from Jermyn Street, moleskin waistcoats, and smarter trousers. Another type of eccentricity. My wife is keen. Nobody else cares or notices.

216752 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Graham, 2, #1329 of 2423 🔗

You are clearly suffering from Long Not Covid..

216665 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1330 of 2423 🔗

purple crocs

Nice! 😉

216683 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1331 of 2423 🔗

the purple crocs

My children, in their conformist teenage years, used to threaten their mother with violence if she even thought about wearing her crocs outdoors in public….

216768 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mark, 1, #1332 of 2423 🔗

They were a birthday present 11 years ago!
I still love them but they did glow somewhat at the bottom of the dark getup.

216689 ▶▶ ColoradoGirl, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #1333 of 2423 🔗

You have enough going on with that look. Best leave the mask off.

216717 ▶▶ Bill h, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1334 of 2423 🔗

Top Notch Cheese!

216723 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1335 of 2423 🔗

Don’t take this the wrong way but I think a mask would have been quite fetching on this occasion!

216764 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Steeve, 1, #1336 of 2423 🔗

Flattery will get you nowhere!

216734 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1337 of 2423 🔗

Just want to know in what scenario purple crocs wouldn’t look incongruous?

216766 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Achilles, #1338 of 2423 🔗

They work fine when I nip out to the compost or to feed the birds and foxes!

216670 Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 27, #1339 of 2423 🔗

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-manchester-54730059

‘A man who refused to wear a mask to protect himself from Covid-19 after believing fake theories about the disease has said battling the virus was “the worst two weeks of my life”.’

I’m confused. I thought the established narrative is that you wear a mask to protect others, and that it has no effect on protecting yourself.

Have they got new scriptwriters now?

216679 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Mr Dee, 8, #1340 of 2423 🔗

Tosh, written by a robot

216724 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to stefarm, 5, #1341 of 2423 🔗

Good point, I wonder if this man even exists.

216751 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Richard O, 3, #1342 of 2423 🔗

It’s the beeb – populated by androids.

216699 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Mr Dee, 10, #1343 of 2423 🔗

What a man! He knows exactly how and when he got it. A careless cough could be the end of him. If only he’d had his muzzle on, it would have stopped those tiny virus particles.

216703 ▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to Mr Dee, 2, #1344 of 2423 🔗

Nah, just accept that they have racist attitudes to us. Facts don’t count

216735 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #1345 of 2423 🔗

Mask protection is a fucking “fake theory”.

216754 ▶▶ annie, replying to Mr Dee, 4, #1346 of 2423 🔗

No comments allowed on this rubbish, I notice.

216903 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Mr Dee, #1347 of 2423 🔗

I am sure BBC Reality Check will be right on that.

216677 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1348 of 2423 🔗

Guido Fawkes (Paul Staines & Co.) needs a boot up the arse!

I won’t post a link; you really don’t want to go there.

Despite stories of shortages when demand leaped up in September, one genuinely impressive element of the UK’s response to the pandemic is the testing system – even if its tracing counterpart leaves a lot to be desired. The UK, already conducting more tests than any other country in Europe, yesterday reached capacity for 480,961 tests to be carried out a day, up from 467,512 the day before. With two more days to go it is now a near certainty that capacity will reach 500,000-a-day by Saturday. Congratulations, though don’t stop there. Demand is soaring too…

216685 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1349 of 2423 🔗

Have to say I haven’t looked at Guido much for a while but when I do the content isn’t great. I think the commenters tend to be a bit more sceptic though. Isnt Tom Harwood doing something on TalkRadio though?

216718 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to CGL, #1350 of 2423 🔗

Guido’s M.O is to nurture distrust in politics as a whole. Basically permanent wind up merchants.

216767 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to CGL, 1, #1351 of 2423 🔗

Isnt Tom Harwood doing something on TalkRadio though?

Not sure; he does pop up now and then on the DT and the Speccy. He’s a bit of a mixed bag, I find.

216688 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1352 of 2423 🔗

The comments are much better

216748 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1353 of 2423 🔗

Let’s all clap for our fantastic world-beating T&T system!!

216765 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1354 of 2423 🔗

No, no, please… no. 😉

216783 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Ceriain, #1355 of 2423 🔗

Thousands of invisible people at the empty test sites?

216853 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to PastImperfect, #1356 of 2423 🔗

It’s ok for them to clap.

216901 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Ceriain, #1357 of 2423 🔗

Guido is a Westminster gossip site. Pathetic.

216948 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to OKUK, #1358 of 2423 🔗

The comments section used to be good, before it changed to Vukkle or whatever the system is called. Useless now..

216686 2 pence, #1359 of 2423 🔗

9pm (GMT) on Radio Q…
RichieAllenShow
– Highlights from Salford, UK
Richie’s guests this week are retired GP & author Vernon Coleman; politician David Kurten
; Biochemical Engineer Ivor Cummins
; Tommy Sheridan
http://www.radioquk.com/

216695 Danny, 2, #1360 of 2423 🔗

I see that SAGE are all over the headlines, demanding a total national lockdown NOW. It seems we have come so far now away from their remit of privately “advising” the government on scientific matters. They should be disbanded NOW!

216710 2 pence, replying to 2 pence, 4, #1361 of 2423 🔗

NOW
Richie’s guests this week are retired GP & author Vernon Coleman; politician David Kurten
; Biochemical Engineer Ivor Cummins
; Tommy Sheridan
http://www.radioquk.com/

216745 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to 2 pence, 2, #1362 of 2423 🔗

That’s a stonking lineup. Thanks!

216712 Steeve, replying to Steeve, #1363 of 2423 🔗

Just checking – What was the latest WHO advice about lockdowns?

216721 ▶▶ ambwozere, replying to Steeve, 3, #1364 of 2423 🔗

Don’t do it or only do it for a short period to sort out the health care system.

216722 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to ambwozere, 1, #1365 of 2423 🔗

Is that their officially stated position or just a rogue individual speaking out of turn?

216726 ▶▶▶▶ ambwozere, replying to Richard O, 2, #1366 of 2423 🔗

David Navarro said it, there was an article about it.

216730 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to ambwozere, 2, #1367 of 2423 🔗

I couldn’t think of the name, thanks for the reminder. Has he since said that he didn’t really mean to say it (like the woman who stated that there was no evidence for asymptomatic transmission)?

216732 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ ambwozere, replying to Richard O, 1, #1368 of 2423 🔗

Well my guess is that he probably doesn’t believe the official narrative so said what he said, got told off for saying it and WHO had to do a retraction.

216729 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Steeve, 5, #1369 of 2423 🔗

It was whatever you want it to be. Humanity has finally won the battle over reality. Nothing exists outside our self-creating present.

216737 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Achilles, 5, #1370 of 2423 🔗

2+2=5

216742 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 4, #1371 of 2423 🔗

Creating your own reality used to be the preserve of New Age charlatans.

Now it’s government policy worldwide, for instance:

500,000 dead without lockdown.
Lockdown.
40,000 dead (we think).
Lockdown saved 460,000 lives.
Lockdown works.
Lockdown again.

216750 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Richard O, 8, #1372 of 2423 🔗

Totalitarian governments always bend reality to fit their narrative.Its just we haven’t experienced this before in the UK

216753 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 5, #1373 of 2423 🔗

It’s quite a trip I must say. Horrific, but you just have to watch. Never a dull moment.

216884 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Richard O, #1374 of 2423 🔗

Creating your own reality used to be the preserve of New Age charlatans.

Well, this approach/technique goes back at least as far as the Buddha. You’d need to have studied it, tried it, and failed, to declare it charlatanic, no ?

216738 Steeve, replying to Steeve, 2, #1375 of 2423 🔗

It’s been a long journey but I am back to antibiotics don’t work with virus’s!

216744 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Steeve, 2, #1376 of 2423 🔗

Take golden seal with echinacea, high dose vitamin C and zinc.

216743 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1377 of 2423 🔗

Hey, we’ve finally got a “cases” dashboard that isn’t a week out of date!

https://public.tableau.com/profile/kirklees.intelligence.service#!/vizhome/CoronaviruscasesKirklees/PublicFacingDashboard

216756 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1378 of 2423 🔗

Look nice.

Sorry to be ‘that guy’ but it says in the info “This dashboard will be updated weekly on a Thursday.”

I did have a giggle at “lab- confirmed cases”.

216796 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ceriain, #1379 of 2423 🔗

Yes but the other one that’s updated weekly still gives “latest” graphs that are four days out of date on the publishing day.

216747 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 2, #1380 of 2423 🔗
216761 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to arfurmo, 5, #1381 of 2423 🔗

Hmmm… sounds like an underlying heart problem to me.

I notice that this is like the BBC ‘death-tale’ posted earlier; the new narrative in the MSM – it’s all the fault of those no mask wearing deniers.

216784 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to arfurmo, 2, #1382 of 2423 🔗

Man admired to hospital with chest pains and struggling to breathe.Tested positive at hospital and died of heart attack a few hours later.
I’m sick of this non stop propaganda softening us up for the second lockdown.

216759 Richard O, 3, #1383 of 2423 🔗

Idea for the depths of winter: edible Covid-19 test kits. Once completing your swab and submitting it back to the government, all the remaining packaging can be dissolved in boiling water for your recommended daily amount of heavy metals. No other food required.

216781 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 7, #1384 of 2423 🔗

Looks like the Met Territorial Support Group are resting up today for another weekend of beating up anti lockdown protestors. How the hell does Khan and Dick get away with the blatant political policing every week plus anti lockdown protestors get slaughtered in the media. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8jBkh3qQNE

216785 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Darryl, 4, #1385 of 2423 🔗

The long march through the institutions

216794 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Darryl, 2, #1386 of 2423 🔗

The comments are split equally between disgraceful racist nastiness and ones commenting ascerbically on the absence of riot police.

216834 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #1387 of 2423 🔗

That is the trouble the establishment in the UK and France seem to have restarted the divide and rule tactic and ‘war on terror’ scam again. Many people don’t see they are being played against each other.

216833 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Darryl, 2, #1388 of 2423 🔗

I read that as “Terrorist Support Group” the first time … Which would have been about right.

216787 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 19, #1389 of 2423 🔗

Just seen this on fb. What sh*t this is putting some people through!

My friend has just been told by Royal Mail she has to wear a 4 ply mask from next week. She has panic attacks and they said no exemptions will be accepted neither a visor! They said of she doesnt comply she must take unpaid leave. Her colleagues are not speaking to her calling her a covid denier.

216810 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Cheezilla, 11, #1390 of 2423 🔗

This is where “it’s just a mask” ends up (for now anyway, it will get much worse). I curse anyone who has ever uttered that deadly phrase.

216813 ▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to Cheezilla, 9, #1391 of 2423 🔗

They are breaking the law. Pure and simple.

216817 ▶▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to Yawnyaman, 7, #1392 of 2423 🔗

And her colleagues are evil

216820 ▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #1393 of 2423 🔗

Royal Mail are breaking the law. If your friend claims an exemption they must abide by it. The difficulty here of course is the peer pressure and the feeling of isolation and indeed victimisation that your friend must be experiencing. An awful situation for her to have to face but if she has the will to refuse the law is on her side.

216832 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Harry hopkins, 2, #1394 of 2423 🔗

The exemptions will have to be scrapped, they are becoming a problem for the cult.

216865 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Richard O, #1395 of 2423 🔗

Not sure. They fulfill a very useful function, in identifying people who don’t go along with the bollox.

216845 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #1396 of 2423 🔗

Not sure about the situation here, but in Germany, if you have to wear a mask for your job, like car paint spraying, you have to get an examination with a doctor first if you are fit enough, there is legislation how long you can wear it, you have to take breaks etc. It is H&S law. They are now trying to get the gov from this angle. Royal Mail should have a risk assessment where exemptions exist!

216854 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1397 of 2423 🔗

Pretty sure that’s coercion which is illegal

216881 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1398 of 2423 🔗

Lawyer up.

216789 Fingerache Philip., 9, #1399 of 2423 🔗

A month long lockdown is the only way to save Christmas (Metro newspaper) pity about jobs,businesses and lives!

216790 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 14, #1400 of 2423 🔗

Jacinda Ardern – New Zealands dictator announcing quarantine camps with a smile (no release without testing negative on a flawed PCR test). Why on earth do New Zealanders love this women so much? https://www.bitchute.com/video/8QPWnSLSqrmu/

216793 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Darryl, 3, #1401 of 2423 🔗

Well, you know people and their pets are supposed to become more like each other with time?

Which animals do they have a lot of in New Zealand?

216806 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to calchas, 3, #1402 of 2423 🔗

Agree. I am not sure why many people on lockdown sceptics don’t believe internment camps will come to the UK. Officials have openly discussed and confirmed them in New Zealand, Australia, Canada and the US. It’s not a conspiracy if it is on government websites.

216812 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Darryl, 1, #1403 of 2423 🔗

The only question I am asking myself is where they will be located.

216821 ▶▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Richard O, 1, #1404 of 2423 🔗

I bet Scotland will be the first – Sturgeon will be keen.

216828 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Darryl, #1405 of 2423 🔗

Good call, plenty of room up there to construct facilities far away from prying eyes.

216886 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Richard O, 1, #1406 of 2423 🔗

Where the empty testing centres are 😉

216815 ▶▶▶▶ NappyFace, replying to Darryl, 2, #1407 of 2423 🔗

Camps will be built for dissenters. If you don’t fear the virus, you’d better fear the re-education camp.

216791 calchas, replying to calchas, 12, #1408 of 2423 🔗

Are many people too stupid or mentally lazy to deserve freedom?

216803 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to calchas, 1, #1409 of 2423 🔗

In short, yes, which is why we are in such a mess.

216804 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to calchas, 1, #1410 of 2423 🔗

YES.

216829 ▶▶ DRW, replying to calchas, 1, #1411 of 2423 🔗

I don’t think most even want it any more.

216844 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to DRW, 1, #1412 of 2423 🔗

Not even that, they have no conception of what freedom means. How could they want (or not) something that they have no knowledge of?

216841 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to calchas, 2, #1413 of 2423 🔗

I still think people don’t want to admit they’ve been had and have invested to much in buying the brand of covid.

216792 nfw, replying to nfw, 11, #1414 of 2423 🔗

Little evidence having had Covid gives you immunity? Except for the almost complete absence of reinfection. Professor Sunetra Gutpta explains how immunity to coronaviruses works …

Let me see if I have this right according to Hunt: Having had a “disease” doesn’t give me immunity and coming out alive, but being injected with a “vaccine” based on a computer model (sound familiar?) of what the Wuhan Flu virus is supposed to look like (it never and not actually having been specifically identified and noting the protein spike looked for in the wonderful tests is common to many coronaviruses, eg the common cold) will suddenly save me. Sounds like bollocks to me. Or government “thinking”. What is their real game?

216802 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to nfw, 3, #1415 of 2423 🔗

More to the point, the go-to ‘scientist’, Professor Neil Ferguson, confers with his nemesis, Professor Gupta. He even went as far as putting his money where his mouth is with his married lover!

216807 ▶▶ RickH, replying to nfw, 7, #1416 of 2423 🔗

Wee….lll. The game might have something to do with the prior investment in a vaccine, backed up by a waiver of responsibility for harm and the short-cutting of the safety framework.

216799 Coronamoana, replying to Coronamoana, 33, #1417 of 2423 🔗

Been to to London for afternoon tea today with daughter. No mask, no questions. Place was so civilised and normal that we stayed for seven hours, drank cocktails and spent a fortune – worth every penny. Two bus stops in Oxford Street closed – why? – so got a taxi to Victoria. Gave the taxi driver a 50% tip and said I understood how difficult life must be for him. He gave a huge smile and was so appreciative. An excellent day.

216809 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Coronamoana, 8, #1418 of 2423 🔗

Excellent. Those moments are incredibly precious right now. And to even say that is not on.

It feels normal because it is. This is a media pandemic.

216825 ▶▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 13, #1419 of 2423 🔗

Yes. As we keep saying, if this had happened in 1995, pre Internet, we wouldn’t even know there was a pandemic going on.

216839 ▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Now More Than Ever, 9, #1420 of 2423 🔗

There was a pandemic that started 10 years before the World Wide Web, HIV/AIDS, which is still with us but hardly gets a mention.

216800 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 17, #1421 of 2423 🔗

My brother in law has Parkinsons disease and is now developing chest pains and shortness of breath as well as muscle stiffness and spasms. He still works (in a warehouse) and wants to continue as long as he can. His employers insist that he wears a mask all day long and in my opinion there is no doubt that this is exacerbating his condition. I’ve tried to talk to him and to tell him about exemptions and that he should tell his employers that he is suffering but he believes that Covid is a real risk and doesn’t want to be the odd one out in the work force.
I don’t wear a mask because I won’t be told to cover my face by anyone—sod ’em I say. But I readily admit that I don’t work so I haven’t got the pressure of an employer laying down the rules. How many people I wonder, are genuinely like my brother in law who have a real and pressing reason not to wear a mask but do so in spite of the damage they are doing to themselves simply because they are too scared to make a stand?

216805 ▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to Harry hopkins, 7, #1422 of 2423 🔗

Remind them that if they do suffer from long term face covering, yeah as dangerous as it sounds, their employer is responsible under UK health and safety law

216819 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Harry hopkins, 3, #1423 of 2423 🔗

but do so in spite of the damage they are doing to themselves simply because they are too scared to make a stand

This is the epitaph of our society.

216826 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Harry hopkins, 3, #1424 of 2423 🔗

I can understand where he is coming from, but they think Parkinsons is caused by exposure to carbon monoxide, so he is probably making himself worse by reducing his intake of oxygen.
I knew 2 people with P, one a professional diver who died of lung cancer, another a fireman.

216892 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Silke David, #1425 of 2423 🔗

My Dad had Parkinson’s. Cruel disease!

216831 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Harry hopkins, 2, #1426 of 2423 🔗

Seriously. This is awful.

216801 calchas, replying to calchas, 11, #1427 of 2423 🔗

Recommendations for the next few months and beyond:

  1. Keep stocked up – full larder etc etc
  2. Cash at home for 2 or 3 months purchases.
  3. Bey precious metals – as much as you are comfortable with
  4. Build local connections with like.minded people
216814 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to calchas, #1428 of 2423 🔗

Good idea now they keep on mentioning ‘The Darkest Winter’.

216880 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Darryl, #1429 of 2423 🔗

Is that being mentioned in the UK? I’ve only heard Biden say it so far..

216944 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Carrie, #1430 of 2423 🔗

Mentioned last week in a speech by Ken Skates, Welsh economy minister.

216962 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Mr Dee, #1431 of 2423 🔗

Aha, so it’s another one of those phrases like Build Back Better…
I shall see if it gets mentioned over here – although as winter is always dark in Sweden, they may not bother!

216824 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to calchas, 2, #1432 of 2423 🔗

You just forgot to weapon up…

216838 ▶▶▶ StevieH, replying to Voz 0db, 7, #1433 of 2423 🔗

I’ve got 2 shotguns and about 550 cartridges. The missus will be loading up as I take down the zombies as they come down the drive. A paintball gun with hard and pepper shot is next on the list.(and perhaps a crossbow).

216837 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to calchas, 2, #1434 of 2423 🔗

Honestly this is what scares me more. Hands up who is a million miles away from this kind of preppper mindset?

216843 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 9, #1435 of 2423 🔗

We are now well and truly through the looking glass.

I can honestly state that almost nothing would now surprise me.

‘Prepper’ has to do with preparation. I think we can all agree that being prepared is better than being unprepared.

216855 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1436 of 2423 🔗

Always good to analyse things that make you frightened. As nothing in Calchas’ list would cause you any harm, one suspects Holywood/msm input into your view on being prepared, BBRS.

Could you expand a little, maybe ?

217044 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to JohnB, 2, #1437 of 2423 🔗

Well.

I’m debt free. Own my house and car. Have a raised bed of lettuce and parsnips. I have duel fuel in the house. Own some XRP. Money in a credit union. Rainy day fund for about a year.

Every one on his list begs teh question why?

If shit gets that serious, there’ll be one in 2000 that ready. The skills and ‘readiness’ mindset would be more of a suggestion rather than an actual bunker

Is he saying I should have 6 months of tinned food? Why? What is coming?

Sounds utterly dystopian.

218343 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1438 of 2423 🔗

Sounds as though we’re in similar positions. 🙂 Although I would estimate considerably fewer than 1:2000.

He said ‘full larder’, not 6 months worth. Doesn’t matter why, I was just interested as to why it terrified you.

Having to deal with a broken-down society would be a tad dystopian. One would definitely rather not have to. But being frightened in advance doesn’t help. 🙂

216849 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to calchas, 2, #1439 of 2423 🔗

Precious metals are a good idea as a long term store of value on the assumption that there will be an economic system we are able to participate in on the other side of this. Assuming we are frozen out, they may be useful as bribery. Cash will only be useful if there is a black market that still uses it.

216858 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Richard O, 1, #1440 of 2423 🔗

I am expecting limits on cash withdrawals from banks at some point -as in Greece and Cyprus.

As hyperinflation develops cash will vecome more favoured by merchants simply because all other means of payment take more time to arrive.

Gold and silver transfer value through time and space and through transitions between financial paradigms.

216860 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to calchas, 2, #1441 of 2423 🔗

Cash has to be made illegal because it cannot be tracked and traced as effectively as digital.

I’m keeping the absolute bare minimum in my current account in the anticipation that whatever funds are in there will be “bailed in” when the crash strikes.

216862 ▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Richard O, #1442 of 2423 🔗

I think it is certainly a long term aim to make cash illegal, but I don’t think we will get there before the end of this system.

Any attempt to ban cash might indeed be the event that sparks hyperinflation.

216868 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to calchas, 2, #1443 of 2423 🔗

All previous economic orthodoxy has been discarded. Hyperinflation may be part of the anticipated crash event to expedite the implementation of the new system.

216876 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Richard O, 1, #1444 of 2423 🔗

Sounds sensible to minimise balance in one’s account..

216888 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Richard O, #1445 of 2423 🔗

I agree. Cash can be made illegal tender.

216895 ▶▶▶▶▶ Eddy, replying to Richard O, -1, #1446 of 2423 🔗

Buy gold ASAP

216911 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Eddy, #1447 of 2423 🔗

Where do you do that? (Apologies for my ignorance)

216927 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Carrie, 2, #1448 of 2423 🔗

Chards is one online supplier.

216941 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to JohnB, #1449 of 2423 🔗

Good idea – though as Dr Coleman has pointed out, there may be a potential issue here, namely (has happened in the past) Gold, etc, bought through obvious legal channels is easily traceable… what happens if [when?] the Government simply made it illegal to hold precious metals, and turned up at your door to get their hands on it??

218347 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, #1450 of 2423 🔗

“Gave it away to a man in a pub, officer”.
“Lost it”.
“etc.”

C’mon, SH, raise that game ! 🙂

216875 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Richard O, #1451 of 2423 🔗

How do you do that in practice???

216891 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Carrie, #1452 of 2423 🔗

If you mean investing in precious metals, there are plenty of resources available online. Check out this one for starters https://dollarvigilante.com/ . I’ve met the guy who runs this site in person and can vouch that he is a stand up guy. He also does regular videos taking down the Covid crap which are highly entertaining. I attended a 2-day virtual conference he and his associates gave earlier this year, it was astonishing stuff.

216912 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Richard O, #1453 of 2423 🔗

Thanks!

216933 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Carrie, #1454 of 2423 🔗

Chards is one online supplier. 🙂

https://www.chards.co.uk/

216943 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to JohnB, #1455 of 2423 🔗

Thanks!

216955 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Carrie, #1456 of 2423 🔗

avoid chards they are terrible – use baird & co, or bullion by post

218350 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to dommo, #1457 of 2423 🔗

I paid via card, Au arrived 2 days later by registered delivery. No issues.

(I’m not an agent of theirs ! 🙂 ).

216830 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 3, #1458 of 2423 🔗

Has anybody noticed that as time goes by more and more significant events become the most important event ever?

216836 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Nobody2020, #1459 of 2423 🔗

It does seem that way.

216850 Mark, replying to Mark, 22, #1461 of 2423 🔗

National lockdown next week: Boris Johnson bows to scientific advisers and will order new nationwide coronavirus restrictions after warnings it is the only way to save Christmas comment image
Boris Johnson is expected to announce a national lockdown next week after his scientific advisers told him it was the only way to save Christmas. Scientists from the Sage committee yesterday presented No 10 with bleak figures showing that Covid is spreading ‘significantly’ faster than even their original ‘worst-case scenario’ prediction. Last night a Cabinet source told the Mail that the dramatic move will be announced next week. It was not clear exactly what form the new lockdown would take, or what would be ordered to close or how long it would last. The Government now faces a critical weekend to determine the shape of the measures before an announcement. The Prime Minister and Chancellor Rishi Sunak are said to have agonised over the decision because of fears it would leave the economy in tatters. But the scientists – backed by Health Secretary Matt Hancock and senior minister Michael Gove – told them the virus was on track to kill 85,000 this winter, and that it was too late for a so-called ‘circuit break’. They called for a longer national lockdown – similar to the month-long shutdown in France – saying it was the only way to stop hospitals from running out of beds. In a clear signal of the deep Government split on the issue, a Cabinet source said those opposed to a lockdown were ‘not prepared to surrender’.

Let’s hope this is the straw that breaks the camel’s back, and ignites a real response

216851 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Mark, 25, #1462 of 2423 🔗

a Cabinet source said those opposed to a lockdown were ‘not prepared to surrender’.

Resignations, or it’s bullshit and they’re a bunch of collaborating pussies who should face the same punishment when the reckoning comes.

216859 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Mark, 14, #1463 of 2423 🔗

Don’t believe it for a second it has been decided long ago. Downing Street propaganda and theatre.

216861 ▶▶▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to Darryl, 8, #1464 of 2423 🔗

Giving people the weekend to get used to the idea.

216873 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Now More Than Ever, 12, #1465 of 2423 🔗

Timed to influence the judges in the Dolan case…

216945 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Carrie, 2, #1466 of 2423 🔗

No this was planned a while ago. France,Germany Belgium,Ireland and the rest of the home nations are already in lockdown.
And is anyone surprised

217004 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Carrie, 1, #1467 of 2423 🔗

Oh the timing is no coincidence at all.

217003 ▶▶▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Now More Than Ever, 7, #1468 of 2423 🔗

I said earlier today, it’s Friday. They love a drip feed on a Friday to prick tease the world. Wankers. The lot of them.

217016 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Now More Than Ever, 1, #1469 of 2423 🔗

Exactly..

216878 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Darryl, 14, #1470 of 2423 🔗

It’s just a month to save Xmas ” is the new bullshit strapline to hypnotise the masses into compliance.

217037 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Darryl, 3, #1471 of 2423 🔗

It really is all just theatre. We should suspend interest knowing what is foretold.

Come back to us when you do something interesting

216874 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Mark, 8, #1472 of 2423 🔗

Resignations, or it’s bullshit and they’re a bunch of collaborating pussies who should face the same punishment when the reckoning comes.

100% agree, Mark.

216885 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mark, 5, #1473 of 2423 🔗

Surely if they resign, they’ll be replaced by new yesmen?

216968 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1474 of 2423 🔗

Yes but the BBC and their media mates won’t be able to resist the Tory split narrative, which will necessitate airing of scepticism.

216856 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Mark, 15, #1475 of 2423 🔗

Blah blah blah blah like there is any debate whatsoever. Delingpole predicted there would be a second national lockdown back in midsummer. The only thing he got wrong was that his source said it would be enforced in October, so he will end up being just a week out.

This one is permanent folks, unless or until there is a popular rebellion against it.

216883 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Richard O, 9, #1476 of 2423 🔗

I’d expected it in mid-October. Rebellion urgently needed!

216950 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1477 of 2423 🔗

The falsified data was not ready then.Ireland and Germany didn’t even bother with that fig leaf

216857 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Mark, 5, #1478 of 2423 🔗

What the hell is wrong with Michael Gove? can’t imagine Johnson and Sunak putting up much of a fight, all in on the Great Reset plan – enslave the world with the ‘forth industrial revolution’.

216953 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Darryl, 1, #1479 of 2423 🔗

Gove is a true believing Green

216967 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 3, #1480 of 2423 🔗

Yes, he seems to regard Greta as a fount of wisdom…

216974 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Carrie, 3, #1481 of 2423 🔗

He does what Lady Macbeth tells him to.

216867 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Mark, 1, #1482 of 2423 🔗

Sadly it will probably be accepted just as much as the first.

216870 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Mark, 14, #1483 of 2423 🔗

…because of fears it would leave the economy in tatters

Fears!! Are they fucking serious? There’s no fears about it!

216871 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Mark, 7, #1484 of 2423 🔗

As Mike Yeadon has said – stop pointless inaccurate testing. Crisis over.

216879 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mark, 1, #1485 of 2423 🔗

Will Dolan’s hearing result be affected by this?

216890 ▶▶▶ Eddy, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #1486 of 2423 🔗

Yes they will close the courts.

216923 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Eddy, 3, #1487 of 2423 🔗

In fact, it would not surprise me if this is why they have not locked down before. Having delayed the case to give themselves more time to prepare and also ramp up the case numbers, they then give the illusion of fairness by allowing the hearing, then lock down straight afterwards, before the judgement has been given. Thereby also increasing the pressure on the judges to deny the judicial review on the basis that ‘Look how serious it is – we’ve had to lock down again’… And to make sure that any judicial review gets pushed far into the future (if ever allowed)..

216906 ▶▶ Paul, replying to Mark, 28, #1488 of 2423 🔗

I don’t give flying fuck about saving Christmas,I want the fucking country saving from these fucking lunatics now !.
‘fears it would leave the economy in tatters’,what the fucking hell state do these cretins think the country is in already ?.
If the people of this country don’t stand up to this now and with determined force we are all finished forever.
We need to stop all the fucking talking and do something,a million court cases or 10 million scientists signing declarations aren’t going to save us,the enemy is beyond reason,they are going to lose nothing,we are going to lose everything,it’s what they want,are we just going to let them do it ?.
I’ve worked hard all my working life,I’ve paid my taxes,I’ve obeyed the law,I’ve been honest and decent and look at how my government,who is supposed to work for me,is going to reward me for my efforts.To hell with these bastards,if we are going down those fuckers are coming too and that applies to all the cowards that have appeased and grovelled and assisted in our destruction.
I pray this now ends,but not in the way they are planning and expecting.
Action not talk,courage not fear,self respect not capitulation.

Enough.

216913 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Castro, replying to Paul, 6, #1489 of 2423 🔗

Dead right! I will continue to not wear a mask or comply with any of the rules, even if I get a 10 grand fine (which I wouldn’t pay).

216942 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Paul, 4, #1490 of 2423 🔗

I’ve worked hard all my working life, I’ve paid my taxes, I’ve obeyed the law, I’ve been honest and decent and look at how my government, who is supposed to work for me, is going to reward me for my efforts.

Well said, and hopefully expressing the frustrations of many people who as yet have not paid any heed to the arguments of the sceptics. Expect our numbers to grow. Hell they may even double, from 1% to 2%.

216959 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Paul, 2, #1491 of 2423 🔗

Hear hear

216909 ▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to Mark, 4, #1492 of 2423 🔗

Hello North Korea. The devil is laughing

216949 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Yawnyaman, 2, #1493 of 2423 🔗

At least in North Korea you die quickly in a hail of AA ammunition, not slowly suffocated by a mask.

216910 ▶▶ Jonathan Castro, replying to Mark, 6, #1494 of 2423 🔗

85,000? More rubbish. And even if it were, it would be justifiable. We can’t have more lockdown.

216937 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Jonathan Castro, 5, #1495 of 2423 🔗

It could even be 85,000 and there might still not necessarily be a single excess death! There are no excess deaths at the moment. There’s no particular reason to think there will be a huge number of excess deaths over this winter unless we see a spike in lockdown-induced deaths.

216930 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Mark, 4, #1496 of 2423 🔗

Readers’ comments are overwhelmingly negative.

216934 ▶▶ fgfdgyvhfgiuverbgrtnh, replying to Mark, 8, #1497 of 2423 🔗

We will not comply. Get a backbone Boris, tell SAGE to f*** off, or we’re making our own policy. From here on in Sumption is my PM.

216946 ▶▶ Tking, replying to Mark, 7, #1498 of 2423 🔗

What a total and utter B******. Lots of us will be left with no money coming in again, what am I supposed to live on, thin air!, still no help for the excluded 3 million who fell through the cracks of the support schemes, and lots of businesses will fail with mass unemployment, these idiots will kill many more than they save, pure evil, crimes against humanity. And to make me feel better, I have been sent a letter telling me my medical treatment has been delayed due to covid, I really despair.

216869 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, #1499 of 2423 🔗

folks-listen to Nick Abbott on LBC right now…..

216915 ▶▶ PhilipF, replying to crimsonpirate, 2, #1500 of 2423 🔗

Yeh, he’s been proper sceptical for months. I’ve largely given up on LBC except for him and Maajid Nawaz. Everyone else is a Covid hysteric and fear porn monger.

217032 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to PhilipF, 3, #1501 of 2423 🔗

Maajid is showing his true commitment to freedom. Such people will cut through the base attempt to paint this as just left v right

216872 Bob, replying to Bob, 11, #1502 of 2423 🔗

I have drawn the conclusion that the best way to describe all coronavirus restrictions is “superstition” – clearly the epidemic behaves the same whatever restrictions are put in place, so logically they have no impact at all.

It’s no different to saying “bless you” when somebody sneezes, except that nobody believes saying that will prevent you from dying of the plague anymore.

216926 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Bob, 2, #1503 of 2423 🔗

…but …..but, what abot my mask, won’t it protect me? .. I mean protect others?

216877 Nic, replying to Nic, 26, #1504 of 2423 🔗

So we will be locked down until march . Of course there will be widespread civil unrest well before that as more people loose their jobs and homes ,iam more than furious about this and would quite happily strangle johnson if I ever got near him. The man is a coward and I just wish he would resign does he not realise the damage he is doing to this country.

216882 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Nic, 14, #1505 of 2423 🔗

…does he not realise the damage he is doing to this country.

I’m sure he knows exactly what he’s doing!

216887 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to Nic, 11, #1506 of 2423 🔗

Planned all along. Brutality coming to the streets of the UK.

216899 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Eddy, 8, #1507 of 2423 🔗

Not necessarily. The vast majority will go meekly to their slaughter. There may be some localised hot spots, but nothing the army can’t handle very easily.

216907 ▶▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Richard O, 10, #1508 of 2423 🔗

The army is much depleted in strength as compared to he troubles in Ulster,a and they had difficulty holding the line there. I very much doubt that the army could cope with widespread disorder.

216922 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Londo Mollari, 4, #1509 of 2423 🔗

There will not be widespread disorder, only small “pockets of resistance”. Only a small number of armed units will be required to clean these up.

216935 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Richard O, 2, #1510 of 2423 🔗

When people have nothing left to lose is when they will resist.

Will that be too late?

I don’t think so.

At the moment too many people have too much to lose – or think they do.

216957 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to calchas, #1511 of 2423 🔗

That has been true to this point in history, but something happened earlier this year which means we are in entirely new territory. None of the old rules apply. The level of evacuation in the NPCs is beyond anything I have ever seen, and they in their tens of millions will do exactly what they are told, every time.

216925 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Londo Mollari, #1512 of 2423 🔗

Also could they rely on the army if there is widespread disorder.Especially in the north

217026 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Richard O, 1, #1513 of 2423 🔗

Sadly I think this is true. But within your own circle fight. Your own family. Fight. Your friends. Fight. That’s where the battle is. Forget about the elites and what they are up to.

216940 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Nic, 6, #1514 of 2423 🔗

Feeling depressed. Sweden will likely ban non-essential travel to the UK, so I will be here alone for Christmas, which could well be my Mum’s last 🙁

216947 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Carrie, 3, #1515 of 2423 🔗

I am sorry to hear that Carrie.

What do the Swedes think is going to happen in the UK I wonder?

Is travel to other countries also affected?

216993 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to calchas, 1, #1516 of 2423 🔗

I don’t know. Our foreign office will decide if the UK gets put on the list or not. Travel insurance – that we automatically get included in home insurance here – is invalidated if you travel when advised not to. I also think you have to prove that any journey is necessary, and they may well say that celebrating Christmas is unnecessary…
I’ve heard rumours that you get asked at the airport why you are travelling, and get asked to provide proof that you must travel, but I’m not sure if that is true..
I wonder if flights will get cancelled?

217083 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Carrie, #1517 of 2423 🔗

Sorry to hear that, Carrie. 🙁

216889 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 17, #1518 of 2423 🔗

In the Spring there were huge numbers of excess deaths. Now there are none. What we have here is a policy of national self harm. Cabinet Ministers are going to have to resign if they are really on the side of sanity.

216898 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to OKUK, 3, #1519 of 2423 🔗

One thing I’ve noticed is the age bracket of most deaths haven’t changed.

However, the setting has. Its still 80+ as the average age but now in hospital rather than care homes. I think there is something to be said about that trend

216917 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #1520 of 2423 🔗

In the Spring they were forcing older people to die at home or in their care homes because they believed Ferguson’s fright figures.

217023 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to OKUK, 2, #1521 of 2423 🔗

I’d say they knew exactly what the consequences of that would be. Crimes against humanity indeed. Hancock will end up in jail

216894 DRW, replying to DRW, 4, #1522 of 2423 🔗

Why can’t the optimists be right for once?

216900 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to DRW, 3, #1523 of 2423 🔗

Being optimistic often involves playing the long game. And this one’s going to be really long.

216902 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #1524 of 2423 🔗

Maybe too long.

216914 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to DRW, 5, #1525 of 2423 🔗

No. Not possible. The human spirit is an incredible thing. No one can take hope away from you unless you let them!

216960 ▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Charlie Blue, #1526 of 2423 🔗

I fear we really are losing now.

216964 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to DRW, 3, #1527 of 2423 🔗

No, we always win.

216972 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to BJJ, #1528 of 2423 🔗

Maybe the argument, but now losing everything else at this rate.

216977 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to DRW, 3, #1529 of 2423 🔗

History is ours.

217065 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #1530 of 2423 🔗

As JM Keynes said, though, in the long run we’re all dead.

216986 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to DRW, 1, #1531 of 2423 🔗

Here’s a kind of optimism. If these reports are correct, then a second “lockdown” is on the way. It’s my belief that we, as a nation, will grin and bear it. However, dissent will slowly increase as we move into next year. As with the first imprisonment, this second one will gradually be relaxed. If, for whatever reason, the government then tries for Lockdown 3, things will get very nasty and they won’t get away with it.

Someone posted a prediction here a few days ago that there’ll be a significant event at the end of March, as a result of which, international travel will quickly get back to normal. This could be the point at which world governments suddenly see the light of day; the dominoes will rapidly fall.

216992 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Tenchy, 5, #1532 of 2423 🔗

March will be too late.A lot of institutions will not be getting any money from me this month

217019 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1533 of 2423 🔗

No. Second lockdown has been here in my town for the last 3 weeks. Not a murmur.

I see protests online in Berlin, Naples, Barcelona, Bologna, London.

Haven’t seen anything even close to protest locally. Seems its just down to me.

217034 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Tenchy, #1534 of 2423 🔗

Sounds too optimistic, it’s been said before it can’t go on for much longer, something must give. And look where we are 8 months on with no end in sight.

216908 Suitejb, replying to Suitejb, 2, #1535 of 2423 🔗

What’s the betting lockdown will start from next Friday to stop people having bonfire parties.

216918 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Suitejb, #1536 of 2423 🔗

Bonfire night on Thursday so it might need to be quicker

216932 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #1537 of 2423 🔗

On past records, it will be announced close to midnight and come into force at 00.01 hours – Monday night?

216938 ▶▶▶ Nic, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #1538 of 2423 🔗

Ye we should use Johnson as the guy!

216976 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Nic, 1, #1539 of 2423 🔗

And Hancock, Gates, Vallance, Whitty and and Schwab..
(Why am I suddenly reminded of Trumpton? Or was it Camberwick Green that had those firemen?)

216997 ▶▶▶▶▶ Suitejb, replying to Carrie, 1, #1540 of 2423 🔗

We’ll need a bigger bonfire!

216987 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Nic, #1541 of 2423 🔗

There’s a restaurant with 2 Johnson’s hanging from a tripwire at the entrance.Ill see If I can borrow one

217068 ▶▶ Maccynic, replying to Suitejb, #1542 of 2423 🔗

Time for Guy Fawkes II?

216920 calchas, replying to calchas, 7, #1543 of 2423 🔗

A new lockdown?

More incompetence?

216924 ▶▶ DRW, replying to calchas, 5, #1544 of 2423 🔗

It was rumoured back in July…

216929 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to DRW, 10, #1545 of 2423 🔗

Icke called it in March before the first lockdown. Just saying.

216939 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Richard O, 2, #1546 of 2423 🔗

Well it was all there in the Pantsdown model, on/off LDs “until there’s a vaccine” or hundred thousands dead.

216966 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to DRW, 1, #1547 of 2423 🔗

Yes, widely publicised at the time of the “new normal” propaganda blast.

216970 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Richard O, 2, #1548 of 2423 🔗

Will be interesting to hear what Sumption and the Recovery lot have to say about this…

216999 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Carrie, #1549 of 2423 🔗

Nothing they haven’t already been saying for months on end, ad nauseam.

217013 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Richard O, #1550 of 2423 🔗

What’s he calling next?

217078 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1551 of 2423 🔗

Economic deprivation and dependency, mandatory vaccination to mutate human DNA.

216982 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to calchas, 7, #1552 of 2423 🔗

Delingpole told us a few months ago,only he got the dates wrong in England.
Wake up this is a planned fascist takeover.If we don’t resist we will be vaccinated chipped and tracked like cattle.

216928 Anothersceptic2, #1553 of 2423 🔗

So days before they announce a new nationwide lock down they publish a document on how to properly process pcr tests? Coincidence?

216931 Andy C, replying to Andy C, 3, #1554 of 2423 🔗

I don’t think I can even muster up the energy to be angry with them anymore.

216963 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Andy C, 1, #1555 of 2423 🔗

That might be a more powerful state of mind than you think. The system feeds off anger and confrontation.

216980 ▶▶▶ Andy C, replying to Richard O, 2, #1556 of 2423 🔗

I agree. Generally speaking, I’m not an angry or confrontational person but I can’t help but sit here at my desk thinking that there must be something more I can do to fight for our cause.

216936 A. Contrarian, 3, #1557 of 2423 🔗

In a funny way it’s almost a relief. We all knew it was going to happen at some point soon. The constant tension was unbearable. At least we know for sure now.

216951 StevieH, replying to StevieH, 9, #1558 of 2423 🔗

I do not like the pretensions of Government — the grounds on which it demands my obedience — to be pitched too high. I don’t like the medicine-man’s magical pretensions nor the Bourbon’s Divine Right. This is not solely because I disbelieve in magic and in Bossuet’s Politique. I believe in God, but I detest theocracy. For every Government consists of mere men and is, strictly viewed, a makeshift; if it adds to its commands ‘Thus saith the Lord’, it lies, and lies dangerously. On just the same ground I dread government in the name of science. That is how tyrannies come in. In every age the men who want us under their thumb, if they have any sense, will put forward the particular pretension which the hopes and fears of that age render most potent. They ‘cash in’. It has been magic, it has been Christianity. Now it will certainly be science. Perhaps the real scientists may not think much of the tyrants’ ‘science’– they didn’t think much of Hitler’s racial theories or Stalin’s biology. But they can be muzzled.” ~ C. S. Lewis

216975 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to StevieH, 1, #1559 of 2423 🔗

There is a statue and a library room dedicated to Cs at Queens Uni Belfast where i studied. He’d be disgusted with what it’s become

216988 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1560 of 2423 🔗

Well the statue will soon be removed I expect.

217006 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to OKUK, #1561 of 2423 🔗

No doubt

216961 Nic, replying to Nic, 15, #1562 of 2423 🔗

Iam trying to be positive in a way a full lockdown might work to our advantage,the money to buy off the public wont be there this time. There was a lot of trouble in London in the summer which was blamed on blm i think it was an excuse it was frustration from.lockdown that caused it as it stopped in july wen restrictions were lifted.
I expect a lot more trouble this time as jobs and businesses collapse intersting times a head.
I’m.mild manners but would happily take the streets if others go.

216973 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Nic, 17, #1563 of 2423 🔗

I have noticed a distinct change in my colleagues this time round. They are all beleaguered, depressed, exhausted and defeated, and many have admitted to me in private that they know it’s bullshit. Being faced with another 6 months of total lockdown will be a breaking point for some of them.

216998 ▶▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to Richard O, 2, #1564 of 2423 🔗

I now have much the same reaction now from colleagues, but few of them seem to be prepared to make the next mental leap towards actual, open disobedience. I’m not sure I see that changing.

216983 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Nic, 18, #1565 of 2423 🔗

I think it will be announced on Monday to come into effect on Tuesday. This has as much to do with the US election as anything else. There are going to be riots over there, and suspect here too. Boris might think this is an opportunity presented to him by SAGE. He is toast anyway, so he will try it. It won’t last long and it will tear the government apart – good. The sooner the government collapses the better. He has not delivered on Brexit, so no point in keeping him in post. He will be gone by Christmas.

216989 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #1566 of 2423 🔗

What has he (not) delivered on Brexit by the way? I’ve not paid any attention to it at all.

217009 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Richard O, 2, #1567 of 2423 🔗

He set a deadline for deal/no deal of 15 October. It is still rumbling on but is looking more like a climb down with a fudged compromise that does not honour his election promise. Party has no use for him, so he must be removed – letters have to go in this weekend (some are already in Sir Graham’s drawer)

217010 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #1568 of 2423 🔗

Where have you heard that about the letters to the 1922 committee?

217021 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Carrie, 1, #1569 of 2423 🔗

A few weeks ago it was either on one of the paper blog sites, or on one of the Sky interviews. Needs to be around 80 to mount a challenge but suggestion then was it was in the teens, from memory. The 53 Red Wall MPs are pretty annoyed, as are a number of southern shire Tory MPs (Mark Harper, Sir Desmond, Steve Baker).

217028 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 5, #1570 of 2423 🔗

Well, he has been a splendid and highly successful caretaker of our transition into totalitarianism, I’ll give him that. Sacrificed his career and reputation for the greater good.

217091 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Richard O, 2, #1571 of 2423 🔗

I’m sure Bill and Melinda will donate him some ‘charity’ if he’s out of a job.

217094 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to JHuntz, 2, #1572 of 2423 🔗

I’m assuming his pension package was sorted before the December 2019 General Selection.

216990 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #1573 of 2423 🔗

Let’s hope you’re right Tigress.

216969 Tony Rattray, replying to Tony Rattray, 12, #1574 of 2423 🔗

MORON NATION PART DEUX

So we need another lockdown to stop hospitals running out of beds (save the nhs yet again). And again create a covid only service. And again cancel other critical care services. And again have excess deaths at home. And again have excess deaths in care homes. And again increase mental health
problems. And again increase the unemployment and national debt. And again create a “solution” that is worse than the problem.

Errrrrrrr..did we not save the nhs first time round?…but the extra beds (nightingale hospitals) where never used. Then we got rid of some of the extra beds, but some do remain. So why not use them and shield the
most vulnerable if they so desire!?

THIS NATION IS RUN BY FUCKWITS EXTRAORDINAIRE!

Keep clapping.

217014 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Tony Rattray, 4, #1575 of 2423 🔗

This is beyond sinister. Germany/ France in lockdown with Belgium following suit. Western Europe is under attack.

217031 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Tony Rattray, 4, #1576 of 2423 🔗

It looks like they built Nightingale hospitals for the sole purpose as to pass funds to friends. Because the things appear to be useless as contingency.

216971 Jonathan Palmer, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 12, #1577 of 2423 🔗

Think about it.We are going to be imprisoned again on the ridiculous basis that we need to save the NHS despite there being no excess mortality

216978 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 17, #1578 of 2423 🔗

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Fuck the NHS.

216985 ▶▶▶ Andy C, replying to Richard O, 6, #1579 of 2423 🔗

I’ve always been keen on the idea of socialised healthcare being scrapped, but I never thought I’d see an opportunity to campaign for it with any degree of success until now.

216994 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Andy C, 9, #1580 of 2423 🔗

Especially when that socialised healthcare system is the cornerstone of a totalitarian ideology that is tearing the country to pieces.

217008 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Richard O, 5, #1581 of 24