2020-10-31

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217844 dpj, replying to dpj, 12, #1 of 2120 🔗

Looks like I’m first again, been a while!
Really not sure where this is all heading at the moment but trying to stay as optimistic as possible.

217859 ▶▶ Jane in France, replying to dpj, 5, #2 of 2120 🔗

I was nearly first today. Fancy that.

219213 ▶▶ PWL, replying to dpj, 4, #4 of 2120 🔗

Just like to point out that nothing has changed since April. Police have no power to stop you being outside your home.

The coronavirus police state (2): The illusion of police powers under Regulations 6 & 8 of Coronavirus Restrictions

217851 HawkAnalyst, replying to HawkAnalyst, 12, #5 of 2120 🔗

Hang in there everyone

217855 ▶▶ Matt Mounsey, replying to HawkAnalyst, 65, #6 of 2120 🔗

If we’re referring to our political masters, I’d prefer to “hang everyone in there”.

217883 ▶▶▶ HawkAnalyst, replying to Matt Mounsey, 5, #7 of 2120 🔗

Nice one

217912 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Matt Mounsey, 7, #8 of 2120 🔗

Lovely bit of wit to brighten our day. Thank you.

218354 ▶▶ CGL, replying to HawkAnalyst, 2, #9 of 2120 🔗

Moral support is lovely, but getting infinitely harder by the day (or even hour) to do what you suggest.

217866 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 56, #10 of 2120 🔗

What we need are more doctors and nurses speaking out. How many patients in hospital are actually being TREATED for Covid compared to how many went into hospital for something else and then tested positive but have no symptoms?

Anecdotally a nursing friend of a friend tells us that there are only 10 patients in the Covid ward of our massive hospital, which is a regional trauma centre for a very large area. We were put into tier 2 because the council begged for it.

Locals are asking the council to tell us how many of these “cases” come from outside the area, but are meeting with total silence.

217881 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Margaret, 31, #11 of 2120 🔗

Is the council ‘begging for it’ because of the cash they get from the government if they lock down?

217886 ▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to Carrie, 9, #12 of 2120 🔗

Of course they are Carrie. How could anyone possibly have thought otherwise?!!!

217952 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Margaret, 9, #13 of 2120 🔗

Think of all the lovely new cycle lanes they will be able to afford.

218287 ▶▶▶▶▶ paulito, replying to karenovirus, 5, #14 of 2120 🔗

No shortage of dosh for cycle lanes. They’re popping up everywhere in my area and are invariably empty.

218971 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to paulito, 2, #15 of 2120 🔗

Yes. They’re just perfect for the disabled!

219043 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hopeful, replying to karenovirus, 3, #16 of 2120 🔗

Stories in the press the other day telling of councils that are removing their cycle lanes, as seen in an Alex Bellfield video. Point being not all are following the gov. script which is some good news surely. We are together in thought and spirit. Don’t give up. Keep yourself right and ready to fight in whatever way becomes necessary.

217898 ▶▶ ambwozere, replying to Margaret, 40, #17 of 2120 🔗

This is my theory that if a lot of doctors and nurses spoke out in public then the majority of the brainwashed public would actually stop, listen and think a bit more.

217959 ▶▶▶ dylsky, replying to ambwozere, 45, #18 of 2120 🔗

I truly believe that doctors and nurses should be utterly ashamed of themselves.. I had to visit my gp recently she was more bothered about mask preaching me than what I went to her for… Keeping up the lie to get there big fat vaccine bonus no doubt…

218089 ▶▶▶▶ Paul B, replying to dylsky, 18, #19 of 2120 🔗

Similarly I had to point blank as the asthma nurse if she would actually treat me without a mask or should I leave because I did not wish to spend the remaining half of my appointment time continuing to argue with her about the efficacy of mask wearing, the GP was slightly less pushy but only slightly….

218307 ▶▶▶▶ paulito, replying to dylsky, 11, #20 of 2120 🔗

Agree. Here in Spain they’ve announced they’re going on strike. Don’t know how they expect anyone will notice as the public health system has all but shut down. Still, if they’re on strike they won’t be getting paid for sitting around on their areas all day.

218396 ▶▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to paulito, 10, #21 of 2120 🔗

A general strike should be considered bring down the rogue government bury the LibLabConSNP permanently

218974 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Adam, -1, #22 of 2120 🔗

And who would replace them – BLM?

219026 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #23 of 2120 🔗

Not BLM they’re pseudo communists anyone who gormlessly continues to support the LibLabConSNP deserve all they get if you want continued mass immigration, subservience to the EU UN WHO USA and poverty then the LibLabConSNP is for you

219416 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Adam, -1, #24 of 2120 🔗

But you’ve failed to see the irony and haven’t answered my question either.

217974 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to ambwozere, 18, #25 of 2120 🔗

Doctors really do need to speak out as they are just as vulnerable as the rest of us to what this government has signed up to. If Klaus Schwab and Bill Gates get their way and it seems they will, then there won’t be much need for most doctors or other medical staff. But first, as front line agents of the corrupt government, they will have to inject both themselves and the rest of us, with one or another of the Gates’s terminator vaccines. Then no more lazy afternoons on the golf course, for these overpaid collaborators.

218165 ▶▶▶▶ right2question, replying to Rowan, 13, #26 of 2120 🔗

wonder how much the gagging orders on the nhs staff play a part

218262 ▶▶▶▶ Cruella, replying to Rowan, 3, #27 of 2120 🔗

Yes, consultants really do spend afternoons on the golf course and swan around slightly tipsy squeezing nurses bottoms. That is totally how it is.

218284 ▶▶▶▶ Cruella, replying to Rowan, 4, #28 of 2120 🔗

What do you think the GBD declaration was about, who do you think is signing that!? What good has that done? Other than encourage other ‘scientists’ to claim there is no such thing as herd immunity. Our own CMO, a doctor has the PMs ear, no one else is being heard. Doctors and nurses have no more power than anyone else, why would we? If I let my mask slip below my nose at work I will be subject to disciplinary action, no joke. This is out of everyone’s control. We can just try to keep seeing patients, doing our jobs and being here, which we have been doing despite what people seem to think.

218635 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Cruella, 9, #29 of 2120 🔗

Not all doctors are simply order followers, but sadly most of them are, judging by their abysmal performance during the early lockdown. It’s one thing signing worthy declarations, but that’s the relatively easy part and for every one that has signed, how many more are keeping their heads down and hoping it will all go away? The first thing that doctors and medical staff really need to do is to make it clear to governments that they won’t get involved in Covid-19 vaccination programs and of course they should loudly say why. However they won’t do that, will they?

219979 ▶▶▶▶ Avery Thorne, replying to Rowan, #30 of 2120 🔗

I would ask my GP if he or she would allow me to purchase my dose of vaccine and then have it injected into an old banana or into midair.

218162 ▶▶▶ right2question, replying to ambwozere, 2, #31 of 2120 🔗

don’t think this is true, this has happened in usa and germany and belgium no no avail i don’t believe words is going to change things, note the mask/usa thing in today’s page, it was action that made that little change

218130 ▶▶ EllGee, replying to Margaret, 2, #32 of 2120 🔗

I live on a county line but the health trust is cross county. The testing station here gets the referrals from the trust wherever they live. Tested here so the numbers are given for here, not for the adjoining county where they reside. Yours is probably the same

218409 ▶▶ RichT, replying to Margaret, 1, #33 of 2120 🔗

My nurse partner just informed me they do not have to self isolate, if track and traced, unless they have symptoms. They also do not have to isolate if going abroad.

217867 TJN, 25, #34 of 2120 🔗

credulity is a more peaceful possession of the mind than curiosity

 Jonathan Swift, A Tale of A Tub , 1704

217872 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 15, #35 of 2120 🔗

Just musing about the financial strategy to go alongside another lockdown. At present those on in-work benefits are entitled to £500 if they self-isolate. If we are all told to stay at home does everyone receiving such benefits get the payment? No one? What if you manage to rustle up a positive test during lockdown? No more furlough. Job support scheme not going to cut the mustard. Is Rishi going to pull a further economic support package out of the bag to pacify the masses, or are the Government really going to let the economic horror hit home….

217907 ▶▶ ambwozere, replying to Charlie Blue, 13, #36 of 2120 🔗

They’ll probably find yet another magic money tree again to pacify the majority of people who would otherwise be out of work.

Won’t help the self employed or freelance though, a lot of them got no support during the first lockdown.

217917 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to ambwozere, 13, #37 of 2120 🔗

That’s what I am imagining. I was lucky to get the self-employed grant first time around. I’m not expecting anything more and I would rather that no one was offered anything if it forces people to face up to facts.

217918 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to ambwozere, 7, #38 of 2120 🔗

The idea of replacing Boris with Rishi does not excite me at all – rather the opposite, given what we know about him..

217999 ▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Carrie, 14, #39 of 2120 🔗

There is no one in this cabinet of mediocre intellectual free charmless cretins that could inspire anyone Sunak is a bankers puppet

217981 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to ambwozere, 18, #40 of 2120 🔗

Their magic money tree doesn’t really help a lot of employees either. I’ve had my hours cut to 50% and have been put on the new ‘job support scheme’. But I’m very close to the cap so won’t really receive anything from the government. In fact I’m possibly above the cap, but the government guidance on this is so vague that my company doesn’t actually know yet, despite the scheme beginning on Monday!

Now I acknowledge that I’m ‘lucky’ (maybe the wrong word, I worked damn hard to get into a good position) to have a job which provides a reasonable income even at 50%, but actually I’d much prefer the government to leave the economy alone and allow me the opportunity to earn the other half!

218126 ▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 1, #41 of 2120 🔗

Especially considering it is the higher paying jobs that pay the tax for all the public sector nice to haves.

217873 Hoppy Uniatz, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 25, #42 of 2120 🔗

I lack the technical skill to do it myself, but surely the time is ripe for one of those Youtube “Downfall” parodies – you know the ones with footage of the deluded Adolf moving non-existent divisions round a map while the Reich crumbles about him.

217878 ▶▶ miahoneybee, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, #43 of 2120 🔗

9th 😄

218101 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 2, #44 of 2120 🔗

Sadly, the regime appears to be quite secure in its bunker right now. The Covid Reich is not collapsing.

217884 Jay Berger, replying to Jay Berger, 28, #45 of 2120 🔗

Time for the 1922 committee and Sir Graham Brady to take action.

217888 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Jay Berger, 48, #46 of 2120 🔗

Dan Hodges on Twitter just now:

Cabinet ministers going beyond anger over Boris’s political management. Openly questioning if he’s completely lost it. Zero engagement.

217941 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Carrie, 11, #47 of 2120 🔗

Yes. There’s a lot of good noise coming out of Westminster

218102 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #48 of 2120 🔗

There always is.

218007 ▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Carrie, 14, #49 of 2120 🔗

Do something then I remember Thatcher being removed why not Bozo

217896 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Jay Berger, 11, #50 of 2120 🔗

What, you mean get the Commons bar properly open again?

217980 ▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to calchas, 1, #51 of 2120 🔗

That made me chuckle – cheers!

218000 ▶▶ Adam, replying to Jay Berger, 5, #52 of 2120 🔗

That’s not far away I can see it happening Johnson must go now

219008 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Adam, #53 of 2120 🔗

Surely they’any potential successor will lie in wait till dePiffle has crashed us out of Brexit?

219044 ▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Cheezilla, #54 of 2120 🔗

Brexit doesn’t worry me as much as what the Johnson government is doing to people and instead of you all sitting on your fat backsides at home start standing up for your rights

218471 ▶▶ Chestergal, replying to Jay Berger, #55 of 2120 🔗

He’s not my MP but I have emailed him a few times with my views. Latest one last night.

217885 leggy, replying to leggy, 9, #56 of 2120 🔗

Randomly came across Delores Cahill and Heiko Schoening talking in Stockholm! No boys in blue with big sticks here.

217887 ▶▶ Liam, replying to leggy, 2, #57 of 2120 🔗

You in Sweden now?

217889 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to leggy, #58 of 2120 🔗

What? They’re here in Sweden NOW? Is there a broadcast somewhere?

217900 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Carrie, 2, #59 of 2120 🔗

No idea unfortunately. Maybe a thousand people watching? Had to leave as have timed tickets for Abba museum!

217909 ▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to leggy, 3, #60 of 2120 🔗

Please tell us all about it when you can. Have a wonderful day.

217913 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to leggy, 8, #61 of 2120 🔗

Good that they are over here. The Swedes are not into ‘conspiracy theories’ like great reset and are rather laid back about there being a bigger agenda. People look at me like I am mad when I suggest this may not be ‘just about a virus’!

217930 ▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Carrie, 4, #62 of 2120 🔗

Caveat – I have never been to Sweden.

It seems to me that there is no country on earth more on board with the ideology of what we call ‘globalism’ than Sweden.

Is that a fair comment do you think?

217988 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to calchas, 2, #63 of 2120 🔗

I’ve been a few times. Find them a kind and nice people, their main fault is naivety about the outside world.

218015 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Liam, 2, #64 of 2120 🔗

Agree about the naivety! They also believe what the MSM outside Sweden say about Trump so a lot of people see him as the devil incarnate, and cannot believe anything positive about him.

There is a tendency not to research for themselves. When Brexit happened, they were totally shocked, but since the migrant invasion in 2015, and the EU wanting Sweden to bail out the rest of the EU post Coronavirus, their eyes have been opened somewhat! They are reaping the downsides of mass migration without the infrastructure here to support it..

218281 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Carrie, 3, #65 of 2120 🔗

A loose affiliation of UK, Norway, Sweden would be quite powerful if the Swedes ever left the EU.Perhaps even Iceland. (I assume Denmark is a bit too tied to Germany economically.)

218001 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to calchas, 6, #66 of 2120 🔗

No, I would not say so, not as an ideology anyway.

But they are a country that values consensus and group-decision-making internally (ie within Sweden). Which in some ways is good, but means there is a lot of discussion and decisions take a long time. Look at how many parties there are in the Swedish Parliament! And they are very conflict-averse people, do not like to obviously offend.

I am reading more and more anti-EU sentiment, especially when it comes to CV19 bailouts, because with Sweden having a strong economy, they do not think it fair that they should be bailing everyone else out, when these countries could have chosen to go Sweden’s way. They are at last beginning to understand the disadvantages that come with an external government – well the EU anyway – calling the shots.

The things that make Sweden an easy target for globalist takeover is the ‘openness’ of society, especially with regard to personal information. Very easy to find out anyone’s address, who they live with, whether they own a business, and what they earn – even what car they drive. (Other info like health stuff is much harder to access, fortunately!)

They are also very politically correct and into equality of opportunity (not outcome, not as yet anyway).

218025 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Carrie, 1, #67 of 2120 🔗

Thanks.

A high-trust Northern European society.

218039 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to calchas, 3, #68 of 2120 🔗

You’re welcome 🙂

I suspect that the amount of personal data the government already holds, plus the fact that a lot of daily life has already been digitalised, are the reasons that Sweden has not been *forced* by the WHO/WEF/UN to lock down..

218125 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Carrie, 3, #69 of 2120 🔗

I am reading more and more anti-EU sentiment, especially when it comes to CV19 bailouts, because with Sweden having a strong economy, they do not think it fair that they should be bailing everyone else out, when these countries could have chosen to go Sweden’s way.”

That’s excellent news, because bailing out the Med and France is at some point soon either going to crack the EU wide open or establish the United States of Europe under German control.

219060 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Mark, #70 of 2120 🔗

The EU is on borrowed time we need to leave them to it

218057 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Carrie, #71 of 2120 🔗

I’m liking the Swedes more and more… lol.

217965 ▶▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to leggy, 1, #72 of 2120 🔗

Oh that’s such a brilliant museum. Enjoy!

218318 ▶▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Margaret, 1, #73 of 2120 🔗

It was great!

218474 ▶▶ Chestergal, replying to leggy, #74 of 2120 🔗

Short video posted on David Kurten’s Twitter page.

217892 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 56, #75 of 2120 🔗

The lockdown is about extending the “pandemic” so the vaccine is still relevant. Without lockdown it would all be over and the pharmaceutical companies (and their shareholders) wouldn’t get their public money bonanza.

218117 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Achilles, 20, #76 of 2120 🔗

I have to agree with your analysis. The “pandemic” could be over tomorrow if governments reduced testing to only people with symptoms. Of course the PCR is still a dodgy test, but at least the number of “cases” would go down dramatically if testing was limited to those with symptoms. So there must be some reason why every government continues to test everyone to ensure the number of “cases” stays high. As an aside, I got together with my family last night and my 20-year-old niece gets a test every 2 weeks for “peace of mind.” I didn’t want to flip out on her, but not only is it a gross abuse of what limited resources we have, it’s sheer insanity. Peace of mind??? She’s 20 and healthy so would have a case of sniffles at worst. And then she says she thinks she likely had it back in February!

218186 ▶▶▶ right2question, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 9, #77 of 2120 🔗

i think testing should only be done when necessary in hospital/care homes, not of general public at all, i think it’s just a total waste of resources, OUR money, and functions only as a tool of the government to keep up the dangerous farce

219409 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to right2question, 1, #78 of 2120 🔗

No point at all in testing anybody seeing as nearly all positives are actually false. Do away with testing and the “pandemic” would be over.

219039 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 2, #79 of 2120 🔗

Maybe you should have asked if she’d do that “for peace of mind” if she had to pay £80 per pop.

219066 ▶▶ Adam, replying to Achilles, #80 of 2120 🔗

There won’t be a vaccine people should stop obsessing it will be contained most likely

219405 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Achilles, 1, #81 of 2120 🔗

And also they won’t get the massive reduction in population they so crave.

217893 calchas, replying to calchas, 12, #82 of 2120 🔗

Burundi, East Africa– Population 12 Million:

President until recently – Pierre Nkurunziza

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Nkurunziza

First this:

“Burundi President Pierre Nkurunziza has again undermined COVID-19 pandemic as a hoax being peddled by other countries, urging Burundians to ignore it.

On Friday May 1, the outgoing president whose popularity ratings have significantly dropped, appeared at a gathering to celebrate international labour day.”

https://taarifa.rw/president-nkurunzia-says-covid-19-is-a-hoax/

..and then:

On May 12th Burundi expelled 4 WHO officials coordinating the Coronavirus stuff:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/05/14/burundi-expels-who-officials-coordinating-coronavirus-response/

…. and then on June 8th::

“The outgoing president of Burundi has died of a sudden illness, suspected by many to be Covid-19.

The cause of Pierre Nkurunziza’s death was described as a heart attack in a government statement. The 55-year-old was due to stand down in August following elections last month.

It was unclear exactly when he died. A government statement said the president, a keen sports enthusiast, had attended a game of volleyball on Saturday but fell ill that night and was taken to hospital.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/09/burundi-president-dies-illness-suspected-coronavirus-pierre-nkurunziz

One wonders how many people have officially died of Covid-19 in Burundi?

The answer is one person – presumably the President.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/burundi/

218375 ▶▶ Jo, replying to calchas, 5, #83 of 2120 🔗

Just a shocking reminder of the mendacity of MS press. The Guardian article, which mentions he was criticised for not taking measures, relays the figure of 5000 Africa-wide deaths from Covid (in a population of 1,350,942,917, not stated).

219074 ▶▶ JuttaW, replying to calchas, #84 of 2120 🔗

or maybe of something else?

217895 sky_trees, replying to sky_trees, 34, #85 of 2120 🔗

So this leak. Reckon it was Hancock or Gove or one of the scientists, to bounce the PM into lockdown? Things have moved very quickly to it being an option, to being what’s happening. I can’t see the leak helping anti lockdowners, but maybe it does and came from one of them?
and doesn’t it have to go to parliament first?
anyway, Boris needs to go asap. 1922 need to move. This is terrible.

217920 ▶▶ ambwozere, replying to sky_trees, 9, #86 of 2120 🔗

I reckon Gove, I think he’s more dangerous than Hancock.

217928 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to ambwozere, 10, #87 of 2120 🔗

Except that Hancock has close ties to Bill G and Nicole Junkermann, and I believe also to Schwab..

217954 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Carrie, 19, #88 of 2120 🔗

It’s a shame Sir Roger Moore is no longer with us. He could have donned his safari suit for one last mission, and taken out Schwab permanently.

217962 ▶▶▶▶▶ MaxPower, replying to Cranmer, 2, #89 of 2120 🔗

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!

218012 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to MaxPower, 1, #90 of 2120 🔗

My reaction too.

217967 ▶▶▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Cranmer, 2, #91 of 2120 🔗

come come mr schwab, you disappoint me…

218020 ▶▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Cranmer, 4, #92 of 2120 🔗

Sean Connery died this morning.

218034 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Liam, 2, #93 of 2120 🔗

Sad..

218043 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Liam, 1, #94 of 2120 🔗

I just noticed! The greats are all going!

218323 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Commander Jameson, replying to Mr Dee, #95 of 2120 🔗

Including two of the people who could have assassinated Schwab.

218414 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Commander Jameson, #96 of 2120 🔗

Brilliant, Commander. Ll-Rex loved that.

219055 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mr Dee, #97 of 2120 🔗

He was 90!

218940 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Liam, #98 of 2120 🔗

That’s life. People die.

219582 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Cranmer, #99 of 2120 🔗

Don’t forget about Bill Gates!

218380 ▶▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Carrie, #100 of 2120 🔗

yes, he was there on the podium with Schwab in 2017

219051 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to ambwozere, #101 of 2120 🔗

The slimy Gove is definitely a snake.

219075 ▶▶ Adam, replying to sky_trees, #102 of 2120 🔗

Johnson cannot remain any longer he is a incompetent oaf and bullshitter

219579 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to sky_trees, #103 of 2120 🔗

The whole government need to go and quickly.

217897 Telpin, replying to Telpin, 96, #104 of 2120 🔗

My daughter ( at Uni) told me today that a girl in her accommodation block had an anxiety attack last night at the thought of being completely locked down ( effectively confined to her room) and they had to go into her room and remove all the knives as she was so distressed. I don’t think I can bear this inhumanity any more. Who or what is going to stop it. Lockdown has been proven not to work and causes terrible misery and damage.

217902 ▶▶ Telpin, replying to Telpin, 29, #105 of 2120 🔗

Seriously, what is going to make this madness stop?

217938 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Telpin, 29, #106 of 2120 🔗

Maybe violence. I don’t advocate or practise it myself, but peaceful and democratic methods are getting nowhere.

217948 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Telpin, 41, #107 of 2120 🔗

Just wholesale civil disobedience.

217983 ▶▶▶▶ Sceptic in Oxford, replying to kh1485, 25, #108 of 2120 🔗

Sign the peition asap: “Do not implement a second national lockdown or other restrictions this winter”

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/549862

If it does nothing else, it illustrates that the fake polls are total BS.

Sign and spread the word so we smash the 10000 in record time.

217994 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 13, #109 of 2120 🔗

Already done. Am trying to spread the word. Got some vocal sceptics in the shop atm.

218242 ▶▶▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 9, #110 of 2120 🔗

Totally pointless, but did it anyway

218787 ▶▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 4, #111 of 2120 🔗

Nearing 5000 signatures. Needs more.

219670 ▶▶▶▶▶ Watt, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 2, #112 of 2120 🔗

signed. all the same…to the streets. Lockdown is murder. And….we will be seeking financial ‘reparation’, for the still living!

218209 ▶▶▶▶ right2question, replying to kh1485, 13, #113 of 2120 🔗

i agree very very strongly, i’ve not been in agreement with the restrictions from the start, although i went through a few weeks of thinking maybe i was wrong ……….. and for the past month or more i’ve been in a place of we have to move into widespread civil disobedience our compliance is taken at some level to be agreement that keep the door open for more of the same and also the next step of authoritarian dictatorship i’ve listened to holocaust survivor saying compliance is what happened in germany, that action is necessary and necessary now

218423 ▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to kh1485, 9, #114 of 2120 🔗

I’m beginning to believe this is the only way, kh1485, if there is one. Rational argument using facts is helping to weaponise (metaphorically) those of us who are sceptical. However, it’s patently not working to impact policy and government abuse of the population. This is very, very serious, depressing and, I believe, sinister.
i have never felt this way before.

218602 ▶▶▶▶▶ Paul Hughes, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 9, #115 of 2120 🔗

Truly depressing how many folks have swallowed the lies and refuse to listen to reason. Likewise, I have never felt so worried about political actions in my 73 years

219662 ▶▶▶▶ Watt, replying to kh1485, 2, #116 of 2120 🔗

Down to your town/borough centre every weekend till the bastards are stopped! NOTHING else will do!

218049 ▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Telpin, 7, #117 of 2120 🔗

prosecution of those responsible for gross negligence manslaughter

218198 ▶▶▶ right2question, replying to Telpin, 1, #118 of 2120 🔗

not words i don’t think

218261 ▶▶ mari, replying to Telpin, 14, #119 of 2120 🔗

‘Who or what is going to stop it?’ We, the people. We need to stop being afraid of consequences, grow some balls, come together and say ‘No More’! sadly, I cant see that happening yet, as generally, people can’t see further than their own circs. But that is the only thing that’s going to stop this madness.
There is a tiny 1% controlling this BS, as opposed to the billions of people on this planet.
I think I can see a Way Out of this!

218274 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Telpin, 12, #120 of 2120 🔗

Has she been offered support? Or did they just remove the knives and then leave her in her room alone? You are right, lockdown is utterly inhumane, the people running this show truly are the most revolting dregs of humanity.

218810 ▶▶▶ Telpin, replying to Poppy, 4, #121 of 2120 🔗

The latter apparently.

219171 ▶▶▶▶ Sceptic in Oxford, replying to Telpin, 3, #122 of 2120 🔗

Keep sharing the petition as widely as possible before Wed’s vote. It needs huge numbers so show that the people have had enough.

217904 smileymiley, replying to smileymiley, 28, #123 of 2120 🔗

Just sent this to my MP Gareth Davies, won’t get a reply as not had one from my others.

I implore you as my Member off Parliament to stop this proposed national lockdown next week. This is utter folly. The NHS are not overwhelmed or will be by Covid19. The all cause deaths are below the 5 year average & have been since June. WHO declared earlier this month that the IFR is 0.13% & 0.09% for under 65’s. This is the same as influenza! Which we have magically eradicated. But only by grouping their numbers into the reducing Covid19 ones.
If you allow this lockdown to happen you will be held culpable, along with the vast majority of parliamentarians, of the destruction of our economy, our education & society as a whole.
We are a great nation but this government along with the opposition seem to be intent on destroying it.
If you do support this lockdown I suggest that you seriously consider your position for, as a lifelong Conservative & Unionist voter, I will never vote for the party again. I will do my utmost that you & any other candidate that vote for this madness will never be re -elected.

218419 ▶▶ CGL, replying to smileymiley, 1, #124 of 2120 🔗

Implore – I used that word in my latest MP email a couple of days ago. Beseech is next.

219693 ▶▶▶ Watt, replying to CGL, #125 of 2120 🔗

HEY! Try ‘Demand’! Off the knees, folks. The data is in and the truth is out. Do not comply with these murderous edicts!

217905 Sceptic in Oxford, 10, #126 of 2120 🔗

Let’s get this petition to 10,000 in record time.

Tell these b*****ds in parliament that enough is enough:

In case the link below doesn’t work, it’s called:
“Do not implement a second national lockdown or other restrictions this winter”
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/549862

217906 PhilipF, replying to PhilipF, 18, #127 of 2120 🔗

It’s got to the stage where, given the choice, I would take the blue pill of blissful ignorance.

Reality has become unbearable. I don’t mean the truth. I mean the reality that has been created by SAGE and our criminal leaders.

217921 ▶▶ calchas, replying to PhilipF, 4, #128 of 2120 🔗

No – never the blue pill.

Of course -we can not un-know what we know.

218213 ▶▶ right2question, replying to PhilipF, 1, #129 of 2120 🔗

i really do understand !!!!!

218240 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to PhilipF, 4, #130 of 2120 🔗

The Blue Pill can fuck right off. Oh crap, didn’t think that through.

217908 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 22, #131 of 2120 🔗

My next door neighbour is dyeing from a brain tumour. He has been going downhill for two years and his demise is now imminent. I watch in bemusement, not to say incredulity, as nursing carers and other medical staff are now visiting him on a daily basis. They arrive in separate cars (as nurses cannot travel in the same car—where did that come from?) park up outside my house and don all the gear as if they were going to perform major surgery.

The sad and unfortunate aspect to all of this is that my neighbour and his wife are completely taken over by the whole Covid nonsense and believe all the doom and gloom that the media throws at them. Sadly, for the last eight months they have absorbed it all…… as if dying from cancer wasn’t bad enough. I count myself as a good neighbour and have done everything I can for them since March but this week I’ve been asked to do something which goes against the grain. His wife asked if I would collect their paper from the nearby newsagents and pop it through the letterbox. ‘Of course I would’ I replied and I’ve been doing it all week.

In trying to be kind however, I have become a ‘super spreader’. Their newspaper of choice (and has been for years) is the ‘Guardian’ which is just about as poisonous a paper as you can get in promoting government Covid propaganda. I fervently believe that the ‘Government IS the virus and the media IS the spreader’ and the Guardian can safely be classified as a ‘super spreader’.

So here I am, popping through their letterbox every day, this vile paper, a purveyor of lies, distortion and Covid porn that only reinforces their fear and can only amplify the sheer misery of their last days together. It gives me no pleasure to post this despicable paper through their letterbox as it really is something I do under sufferance but what can I do? It’s a bit like the alcoholic who is beyond help asking me for a bottle of whisky—-I’m cruel if I give it and cruel if I don’t!

217914 ▶▶ ambwozere, replying to Harry hopkins, 3, #132 of 2120 🔗

Can you not do a little leaflet with the true facts on and slip it inside the paper before delivering it?

Might make them stop and think.

217951 ▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to ambwozere, 3, #133 of 2120 🔗

They’re beyond reasoning—believe me, I’ve tried!

217923 ▶▶ Jen Z, replying to Harry hopkins, #134 of 2120 🔗

You are enabling this. If you insist on buying a newspaper, send through The Spectator or Mail – perhaps pick a random one a day.

218104 ▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Jen Z, 6, #135 of 2120 🔗

Not possible. They have subscription vouchers for the Guardian so it’s that or nothing—-see my dilemma? Anyway, it’s not for me to tell them what to read. If I tried to do that I’m no better than the evil autocrats who are creating this chaos in the first place!

218345 ▶▶▶▶ TT, replying to Harry hopkins, 6, #136 of 2120 🔗

There is no saving some people; you did what is decent and there it stops.

217957 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Harry hopkins, 2, #137 of 2120 🔗

Surely they know that the virus thrives on paper and so the paper will have been infected at all stages up to you pushing through the letterbox. Wouldn’t it be safer to tell them that you are no longer prepared to risk their health?

217995 ▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Harry hopkins, 4, #138 of 2120 🔗

Good post, thank you. If only our leaders and the media could show the same degree of humanity as your post reveals!

217910 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 41, #139 of 2120 🔗

It’s not going down well. Cabinet revolt, Conservative party revolt and the welsh hilariously are not going to extend their lockdown to fit with Boris’

217949 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 7, #140 of 2120 🔗

Let the games begin.

217986 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #141 of 2120 🔗

Yesterday Drakeford said he would not be repeating local lockdowns ‘because they did not work well enough’
Instead he talks of a new set of rules for the whole country (Wales) that would be easy for everyone to understand.

218305 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to karenovirus, 4, #142 of 2120 🔗

What will that be I wonder. “Simon says, hold your breath.”
”And, breathe…”

218384 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #143 of 2120 🔗

I wish it was a game of Simon (Dolan) says – right as rain in no time!

218669 ▶▶ alison, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #144 of 2120 🔗

Interesting, I will be surprised if Sturgeon falls into line in Scotland. Figures are pretty much flat here this week. Her utterly stupid and confusing new tier system is due to start tomorrow. As the only person in Scotland who understands it, I expect she has some level of investment in it and will look really stupid and incompetent if she gets bounced into lockdown by Johnson. Would go down really badly. If Johnson has to lockdown England alone, he will look extremely incompetent and it will make it harder to justify to public and his own party.

219226 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to alison, 3, #145 of 2120 🔗

I’m liking the sound of this, so far!

219089 ▶▶ Adam, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #146 of 2120 🔗

Johnson is finished

219532 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Adam, 4, #147 of 2120 🔗

Oh yes please.

217915 Jay Berger, 22, #148 of 2120 🔗

Sweden: No masks and few restrictions: no hospital stress and no 2nd wave Covid deaths, despite a similar casedemic due to the fraudulent PCR test.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13046377/sweden-death-coronavirus-national-lockdown/
Conclusion: Masking KILLS your immune system and thereby KILLS people of Covid.
Same for lockdowns, obviously.

And: ICU’s not fuller than normal in Germany, incl. respiratory illnesses in total.
Just more people WITH Covid on ICUs- a car accident patient tested positive goes into the statistic as a Covid ICU case!
So, this is due to everyone there being tested, and due to those tests now looking for one part of the gene only (E gene) which is prevalent in the other corona viruses too, and omitting the confirmation phase, and taking the usual idiotic number of 45ct as per Drosten’s tests.
We are being taken for a gigantic ride.
Nothing more, nothing less or else.

https://www.heise.de/tp/features/Corona-Lockdown-Droht-tatsaechlich-eine-akute-nationale-Gesundheitsnotlage-4942433.html

217916 Edward, 19, #149 of 2120 🔗

I was buying fruit in the indoor market this morning and they had the radio on Smooth FM. I heard a news bulletin about a second lockdown, and later I looked at some newspaper headlines (including the Times) which confirm that it’s likely to happen. So it’s clear the government is now evil and/or insane. I’ll be writing to my MP to make that point and to say that it will probably be the last letter from me as I consider that representative democracy no longer exists.

In the street there were two guys handing out leaflets from a religious perspective, a bit cranky but on our side. I had a good chat and shook hands.

217919 djaustin, replying to djaustin, -30, #150 of 2120 🔗

Whatever your leanings, that last joke is absolutely excellent.

Without modelling, a worst case scenario: we now have solid evidence that the IFR is between 0.15 and 0.55%. The lower value is influenza btw. If the entire population were to be infected, this would be 99-360k deaths over whatever period the infection were to run. 99k would be the worst influenza year since 1918. Even if it ran over two seasons (50k/year) it would still be terrible. The upper bound won’t happen because of interventions, in the meantime to control infection, seasonality and treatments.

Dr Yeadon still continues to confuse the presence of reactive T cells with sterile protection. It is possible to be protected from disease (COVID19) but still be infectious. Indeed that is by definition asymptomatic infection. The IFR calculation factors that into the equation.

217944 ▶▶ dylsky, replying to djaustin, 8, #151 of 2120 🔗

More people are dying because of the measures than the fake plandemic … Bonkers Boris is a puppet for the EVIL BILL GATES …TRUMP 2020 to fight this insane madness… Nothing to do with health its about control ….

217971 ▶▶ Mark, replying to djaustin, 19, #152 of 2120 🔗

Even if it ran over two seasons (50k/year) it would still be terrible.

Nowhere near as “terrible” as the harms caused by lockdowns. How can two bad winter deaths years even be compared to the deaths and misery currently being inflicted, the long term social and economic devastation?

218183 ▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to Mark, -3, #153 of 2120 🔗

That’s a different debate though. Two years combined into one and we would struggle to maintain healthcare. Four years in one go and we wouldn’t be having the debate, decisions would be obvious. I guess different people have different tolerances to acceptable. My comment really is that the numbers are now pretty nailed down. The “terrible” is in relation to normal years not a judgment on the situation per se, and that’s the best case not reasonable worst btw.

218291 ▶▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to djaustin, 7, #154 of 2120 🔗

Agree that healthcare capacity may be an issue, but the govt and its scientists KNEW beyond reasonable doubt that the virus wasn’t going to disappear and that it might pose problems in winter. There were barely any cases/deaths over summer, they had all that time to prepare the health service and scale it up. Instead, they didn’t add a single bed over summer and just wasted billions on useless track and trace when the virus is already endemic. The NHS gets close to overwhelmed most winters so there is absolutely no way that SAGE could not have foreseen there being an potential issue this winter. It is not the public’s job to protect the NHS, it’s the govt’s.

218038 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to djaustin, 5, #155 of 2120 🔗

And you 77th Brigade people still troll this site. I suppose that’a a compliment in a backhanded way.

218107 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to djaustin, 5, #156 of 2120 🔗

S W E D E N

218402 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to djaustin, 1, #157 of 2120 🔗

Forgive me, but you don’t sound like the brightest button in the box.

218405 ▶▶ stewart, replying to djaustin, 8, #158 of 2120 🔗

Same mendacious misrepresentation as the media and government.

First, your IFR is bogus.
Second, even if it were your calculation is bogus because assume every single person in Britain becomes infected, which is impossible.
Third, even if they did, it wouldn’t be the worst influenza year since the Spanish Flu proportional to the population.
Fourth, even if it were the worst year it would still be miles away from the Spanish Flu deaths which were many multiples worse than the next worse.

So basically everything you have written is complete bullshit, based on erroneous calculations based on a flawed starting assumption.

Like the government.

219032 ▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to stewart, -2, #159 of 2120 🔗

Happy to be corrected – what’s your best guess for IFR? Mine is based on the ONS prevalence and estimated infections/day, hospitalisations (1-3% of infections) and deaths (20% of admissions), corroborated by CDC estimates and bounded below by influenza. And yes, I believe every person is susceptible to infection, but not disease. Clearly pre-existing cross immunity may play some role in developing disease. But there is no evidence to support sterile immunity.

219273 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to djaustin, 1, #160 of 2120 🔗

A: There’s no point in GUESSING a statistic. That’s how we got into this mess!
B: IFR depends on too many variables, especially the immune system health of each individual.
Like the R rate, it might work for mathematical models but bears little relation to what happens to real people in real life.

217922 Salopian, replying to Salopian, 57, #161 of 2120 🔗

Enjoying a pint in spoons before anti lockdown rally in Brum.
Told the lovely station assistant why I was travelling :she was so delighted and had a long chat amplified by her speaker in the concourse!
Reliably informed 1 Covid patient in local hospital .
Agreed insane .
Spread the word everyone is pissed off with lies
Please stand up and be active in every way you can .

We are not dogs to be chained and muzzled,

217924 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Salopian, 6, #162 of 2120 🔗

Bugger, didn’t know there was a rally in Brum.

218009 ▶▶▶ Salopian, replying to Liam, 1, #163 of 2120 🔗

Victoria square 1.00 pm

218016 ▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Salopian, 1, #164 of 2120 🔗

Can’t do it now, sadly. Hope it’s a good turnout.

218315 ▶▶ kf99, replying to Salopian, 3, #165 of 2120 🔗

Hate what they did to New St Station in the rebuilding. Those sinister giant eyeball screens are used to show Covid messages! The old 60s style was tired but at least it reminded me of more optimistic times back then.

217925 Sceptic in Oxford, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 18, #166 of 2120 🔗

Sign the “Do not implement a second national lockdown or other restrictions this winter”petition asap:

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/549862

217929 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 3, #167 of 2120 🔗

Signed

217940 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #168 of 2120 🔗

Ditto, for all the good it will do.

217950 ▶▶▶▶ Sceptic in Oxford, replying to kh1485, 4, #169 of 2120 🔗

I agree. But if we smash 10000 in record time it illustrates the strength of feeling the faked polls aren’t.

218037 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 6, #170 of 2120 🔗

I hope you’re right. Not being defeatist, just have no faith in the people of this country who are so bloody blind to what is being done to them.

219377 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JuttaW, replying to kh1485, 1, #171 of 2120 🔗

but it’s everywhere like that, it is sooo frustrating, it’s like talking to religious people when one tries.

217973 ▶▶ Simon, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 4, #172 of 2120 🔗

Signed. Can you pin the post to the top for today if you can so everyone will see it no matter how they sort the comments?

217977 ▶▶▶ Sceptic in Oxford, replying to Simon, 1, #173 of 2120 🔗

Will do!

217990 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, #174 of 2120 🔗

done

217997 ▶▶ Winter, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, #175 of 2120 🔗

Signed.

217998 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 6, #176 of 2120 🔗

Signed FWIW. Gone from under 1400 to over 1800 in the time it took to get my signature confirmed.
Those on Twitter/Facebook need to link it – you never know which straw will break the camel’s back.

218246 ▶▶ DomW, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, #177 of 2120 🔗

Signed and shared

219362 ▶▶ JuttaW, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, #178 of 2120 🔗

so sorry wanted to sign but only british can do so.

217926 PhilipF, replying to PhilipF, 19, #179 of 2120 🔗

Sometimes I cheer myself up a little imaging that time when certain people are hung from a lamppost.

Sorry… It was wrong to say that… I should have said “hanged”.

217933 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to PhilipF, 1, #180 of 2120 🔗

If I could, I would buy you a drink for that

218036 ▶▶ Steve, replying to PhilipF, 1, #181 of 2120 🔗

No leave it as hung. I’m not sure they qualify as people anymore…

218083 ▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to PhilipF, 3, #182 of 2120 🔗

Hanged first, then hung – as a reminder. Old school

218217 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Jakehadlee, 1, #183 of 2120 🔗

Another masterpiece by Damien Hurst.

218433 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to annie, 1, #184 of 2120 🔗

Ooh yes – throw a couple of sheep in there – very relevant!

219821 ▶▶ Watt, replying to PhilipF, #185 of 2120 🔗

‘Hanged’ is exactly correct in this situation. However…this time your error will go unpunished!

217931 Michelle Sacks, replying to Michelle Sacks, 20, #186 of 2120 🔗

I found out last week my GP surgery stopped doing smear tests, to quote my GP ‘to protect the people who would perform them’ back in March. I am simply furious this has not got more attention. My town is in the middle of food and farming manufacturing and production. Have doctors and nurses stopped eating? No, but a large number of women they should be protecting by performing the smear tests are still working in food factories so they can eat. Utterly disgraceful.

218147 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Michelle Sacks, 19, #187 of 2120 🔗

Yes, I’m having trouble understanding why grocery store clerks, delivery people, farm workers, those on manufacturing lines, etc. are risking their lives (sarcasm) in order to perform their jobs, but health care practitioners whose job it is to TAKE CARE OF HEALTH are somehow immune from taking the same risks they signed up for and have been taking all their working lives. A bigger bunch of cowards I’ve never seen before. Dentists had to re-open since they can’t perform their jobs over Zoom, but doctors are getting paid the same consultation fee to work from home and are getting away with it. If our government told doctors they’d only make half as much for consulting via phone vs. in person, believe me they’d be back in their offices.

218214 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 4, #188 of 2120 🔗

My OH is a treasure beyond price, but he’s also a wee, wee bit of a hypochondriac.Last week a mouth ulcer was hurting him and he got worried, wanted to see a doctor. Our medical centre is, of course, locked and bolted, but after unheard-of efforts he did get a phone consultation.
The phone doc to,pld him it sounded like blood poisoning and advised him to go to A and E.
After a shortish time (cause everybody else was protecting the NHS) he got to see a real doctor, who told him to go home and put some Bonjeela on the ulcer. He’s feeling a lot better now.
Farcical. But what if he’d really had blood poisoning and the phone doc had told him to put on some Bonjeela?

219281 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Michelle Sacks, #189 of 2120 🔗

I hope you got chance to point that out to your GP?

217942 Peter Thompson, replying to Peter Thompson, 17, #190 of 2120 🔗

In the real world I logged in to my computer and as a front line worker I was privileged to receive an update E mail from secondary care and the local PHE. The local DGH was on “high alert ” and we are being urged to find alternatives to admission . The number of Covid test + patients in the local hospital is in fact a small fraction of the ususal daily admissions . Most DGH hospitals have a daily medical intake of between 40 and 80 patients.

I would also add that a high percentage of the new covid19 + patients in the DGH had already been in hospital for at least a week and were found on retesting …nosocomial.

As for those with respiratory symptoms , we had a brief surge at the begining of October with people needing to be seen in the surgery ” hot clinic ” but this week it has been very quiet.

Meanwhile in Boris, Hancocks and Whitty ‘s imaginary world new terrors are being confected for the people of this land.

217976 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Peter Thompson, 8, #191 of 2120 🔗

The hospitals are absolutely the prime source of cases. The Health Minister is Northern Ireland admitted their R0 black box of tricks showed exactly that yesterday:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-54754772

“a written statement to the assembly, Mr Swann said the R number is now likely to be slightly below one for cases, about one for hospital admissions and above one for hospital inpatients.”

217943 calchas, replying to calchas, 33, #192 of 2120 🔗

I have to say as a lockdown sceptic that I am pleased that there will likely be a lockdown.

How so?

Because I am opposed, not just to lockdown, but to all of the bullshit – masking, anti-social distancing – everything.

THe only way that the majority will wake up is to give them what they want good and hard, until such time as they have had enough.

217958 ▶▶ Mark, replying to calchas, 2, #193 of 2120 🔗

Have we reached “the worse”, the better” stage now?

If so, things are going to get nasty (nastier, obviously).

217968 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Mark, 2, #194 of 2120 🔗

No, in my opinion we have a way to go yet.

217960 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to calchas, 9, #195 of 2120 🔗

Nope. Look at the kind of opposition waiting to mop them up. Even beyond the Labour benches. They are all saying this can be fixed with a better track and trace system and enforcement of masks.

Utterly pathetic but the sheep will swallow that narrative and this goes on and on and on.

This only stops when PCR is in court and the fraud unravels.

217961 ▶▶ DRW, replying to calchas, 3, #196 of 2120 🔗

Will they ever have enough though? Things have only been getting worse.

217964 ▶▶ Simon, replying to calchas, 10, #197 of 2120 🔗

I have to say that I think by hitting the lockdown advocates where it hurts might wake them from their slumber.

When the food runs out, or in the zombies case, when the free money ends, then we can expect pitchforks.

We need to get more organised as a group. Involve all the other groups with common purpose. Show them that we are not going to follow their ridiculous rules. Have look at a recent video of students in Nottingham ignoring all the rules. Police powerless to stop them.

217978 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to calchas, 3, #198 of 2120 🔗

“The worse things are, the better.” (V.I Lenin)

218008 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to calchas, 11, #199 of 2120 🔗

Agreed – people accepted LD last time around because life was easy and the weather was extraordinarily good.
I told someone yesterday I was pleased to see the weather forecast was wet and windy – because people needed to be jolted out of their slumbers. What’s needed now is for TV to be taken off air – that’ll start a bit of dissent!

219296 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to BTLnewbie, #200 of 2120 🔗

Especially if they’re having to get the news from a different source than the beeb!

218997 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to calchas, 8, #201 of 2120 🔗

Preferably without the sugar coating of magic money tree financial support too. I opposed the first lockdown from the first minute on watching Johnson’s ghastly speech on 23rd march as I knew it would spell economic disaster. Since then I have been persuaded by my partner to show compassion for the zealots as they are fearful and cowed. I have now lost my patience with them….there is massive data around now to reveal this shit show for what it is. I am no longer able to tolerate friends, family etc who support this tyranny…to me it now amounts to little more than collaboration with evil.

219833 ▶▶▶ Watt, replying to Borisbullshit, #202 of 2120 🔗

Much the same, here.

220064 ▶▶▶ Emily Tock, replying to Borisbullshit, #203 of 2120 🔗

I so sympathise with this attitude. In addition, I am starting to have some fairly irrational feelings towards people I see wearing masks outside. Friday morning I was at the local sports field and a youngish man – couldn’t have been above 35 or so – running the track enmasked. There were 3 other people on the track. As he was coming up behind me, I was seriously tempted to yell at him that he richly deserved any and all further draconian measures taken against his liberty. He clearly was a danger to himself and others because of his inability to reason and weigh the risks inherent in life if he thought he needed to wear a mask outside on a running track with 4 other people.

217945 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 7, #204 of 2120 🔗

I currently have a dusty carpet hanging over my washing line.

Can any of you beat that?

218191 ▶▶ annie, replying to stefarm, #205 of 2120 🔗

Aw, take him away!

217947 dommo, replying to dommo, 27, #206 of 2120 🔗

Yeadon’s latest:

“I believe that Sage has been appallingly negligent and its incompetence has cost the lives of thousands of people from avoidable, non-coronavirus causes”

That to me sounds very much like gross negligence manslaughter

So how do we actually go about bringing them to justice?

218019 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to dommo, 6, #207 of 2120 🔗

I law suit against SAGE will be the only way to break this, the government will soon turn on them if this has any indication of going aginst the scientists. Arse covering all around will leave them all out to dry

218033 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Iansn, 1, #208 of 2120 🔗

Hmm, good idea – why has no one done this yet?

218087 ▶▶▶▶ ambwozere, replying to Carrie, 3, #209 of 2120 🔗

Financing it and finding someone or a group willing to do it that have enough knowledge. Perhaps we should do a lockdown sceptics one.

218128 ▶▶▶▶▶ dommo, replying to ambwozere, 6, #210 of 2120 🔗

folks – it wouldn’t take an expensive lawsuit – we’re talking about a common law indictable offence here with a possible maximum sentence of life imprisonment, not a claim for damages or judicial review! the first step is a citizen’s arrest!!!

218133 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to ambwozere, 1, #211 of 2120 🔗

I can’t believe Dolan’s group haven’t considered this carefully. They have the legal and financial firepower, if it’s doable at all.

218180 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Mark, 1, #212 of 2120 🔗

i wouldn’t be surprised at all if they haven’t considered it – sometimes you can be too clever for your own good/not see the wood for the trees..and no legal or financial firepower required – just a citizens’ arrest!

218192 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to dommo, 3, #213 of 2120 🔗

A citizen’s arrest is a good way to get a beating from the security forces or police, if you’re lucky.

What’s the point of “arresting” somebody if you can’t hold them or try them? The police and courts are not on our side in this.

219300 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to dommo, #214 of 2120 🔗

Do barristers get paid for a citizen’s arrest?

218447 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to ambwozere, #215 of 2120 🔗

I’m up for it!

218719 ▶▶ TyRade, replying to dommo, 1, #216 of 2120 🔗

Quicker: can we place/photoshop professor Pantsdown on Jeffrey Epstein’s island of youthful delights?

219838 ▶▶ Watt, replying to dommo, #217 of 2120 🔗

3 a.m. knock on the door, mayhap?

217955 PhilipF, replying to PhilipF, 50, #218 of 2120 🔗

I know the answer to this is yes… but who else literally or inwardly screams when yet another Stay Safe propaganda advert comes on?

“I wear a face covering to protect strangers” [whiny voice]

Just F— the F— Off.

Has ever so much been spent on propaganda in peace time?

217984 ▶▶ ambwozere, replying to PhilipF, 13, #219 of 2120 🔗

I absolutely hate that advert, makes me cringe and start shouting at the TV or car radio.

219301 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to ambwozere, 5, #220 of 2120 🔗

What advert?
I don’t watch tv. I don’t listen to radio.
Flashdrive with a load of music in the car.
Bliss!

219452 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #221 of 2120 🔗

Exactly right. I gave up the BBC and other fake news media shortly after 9/11.

218061 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to PhilipF, 9, #222 of 2120 🔗

The one with the overgrown teenager playing some computer game who says ‘Ah make space to protect mah nan’ really gets my goat – but fortunately I don’t have a telly so only see adverts rarely.

218139 ▶▶ court, replying to PhilipF, 12, #223 of 2120 🔗

I just can’t watch any telly or listen to radio anymore. Podcasts, and on demand only. I just about manage to watch the on-track action on the F1 live, but non of the pre or post stuff due to the face nappies.

218259 ▶▶ MutzNutz, replying to PhilipF, 4, #224 of 2120 🔗

If you don’t like these adverts then watch a channel that doesn’t have any…….. oops that would be the Beeb!

218263 ▶▶ DomW, replying to PhilipF, 3, #225 of 2120 🔗

For me that one requies instant mute otherwise (or even sometimes when done) bellowing follows quickly

218451 ▶▶ CGL, replying to PhilipF, 7, #226 of 2120 🔗

Many new forms of Tourettes have been discovered in the last few months, t’is true!

219247 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to CGL, 5, #227 of 2120 🔗

I have face nappy tourettes now. They should do a channel five documentary on me.

219448 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to PhilipF, 3, #228 of 2120 🔗

This isn’t peace time. The government started a war on the people last March. This will be a fight to the finish.

217956 BeBopRockSteady, 4, #229 of 2120 🔗

Two articles which show a narrative that doesn’t add up, as we know. So the Government spent billions on PPE, much of it will never be used, from companies who bypassed normal procurement checks and sold over the odds to government

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8898907/Dossier-reveals-ministers-UNDERBOUGHT-threw-6-75billion-protective-clothing.html

That includes 30 Million hazmat suits. Of which 500,000 were used. They must have thought this really was the end. Let’s just give them the benefit of the doubt. 8 months on, will they admit now they panicked?

In this article they say that now they just wear masks and visors. No hazmat nonsense required.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/30/tsunami-preparing-winter-surge-of-covid-19-university-hospital-coventry?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

The Guardian going with their doublethink articles as usual, fear headline, everything is tickety boo in the detail.

217963 JBW, replying to JBW, 2, #230 of 2120 🔗

Last few days I have not received the daily email update. Has anyone else had the same problem and found a solution? I have tried signing up again to receive the emails, but no positive result.

218050 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to JBW, 1, #231 of 2120 🔗

Check your Junk folder or equivalent depending on your email provider

217966 calchas, replying to calchas, 13, #232 of 2120 🔗

DT twists President Trump’s words in today’s live blog:

“Trump falsely said doctors earn more money when their patients die of the disease, building on his past criticism of medical experts like Dr. Anthony Fauci, the country’s top infectious diseases expert.”

The DT is trying to make it seem that Mr Trump is saying that doctors earn more when someone dies from covid-19 than when they live. Whereas, what he is saying, and what we know to be true, is that some hospitals and doctors earn more money when a patient has a covid diagnosis, than when the diagnosis is for another illness.

217970 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to calchas, 4, #233 of 2120 🔗

I heard that there is a covid patient payment

217992 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Dan Clarke, 9, #234 of 2120 🔗

Point One:

Just think of those tens of millions without health insurance in the US, and all of those others strapped for cash to pay their deductibles.

Point Two:

covid treatment is free.

Point Three:

treatment for other diseases costs money

Point Four:

If a doc diagnoses another illness, the bill goes to the patient.

Point Five:

If a doc diagnoses covid, then the bill goes to the government.

————–

So, what do you think is going to happen?

..and that’s not including the premiums for covid treatment themselves.

218031 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #235 of 2120 🔗

There is!

218115 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #236 of 2120 🔗

I thought it was happening in just America but then I heard its happening here too!

218587 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to calchas, 1, #237 of 2120 🔗

Which is why someone who dies from a gunshot wound, road traffic accident, or alcohol poisoning are counted in with CV19 deaths…

217969 Panda, replying to Panda, 44, #238 of 2120 🔗

Let’s pray Trump wins next week. If Biden wins, I don’t believe we’ll ever get out of this nightmare.

Without wanting to get too partisan, I can’t help but feel that this whole covid situation is a useful crisis for the ‘progressive’ left. They know that they will often find it very difficult to get any electoral success with their identity politics obsessed policies, so they achieve power by proxy instead through exerting their cultural influence on this situation (the long march has now achieved near total control of western institutions). They know they can change the course of government by exacerbating people’s fear and ignorance and playing up to all the “what about granny”, “lives before profit” nonsense that they are so adept at exploiting.

Mask wearing allows their virtue signalling, cult like followers, to easily identify and isolate anyone that isn’t in agreement with the ‘narrative’, a narrative incidentally which they have skilfully shaped from the very start. They have even claimed science as their own, brutally marginalising/cancelling any actual scientist that dares to challenge the official narrative.

Millions of job losses and economy that will likely never recover? The progressive left don’t care about that. They want capitalism to fall because they believe it’s a racist/patriarchal construct and they will be able to build a new post covid world according to their Marxist doctrine. Of course, they are just being used as useful idiots by globalists who no doubt will make more money for themselves in the long term, but they are far too indoctrinated to realise that at this point. Many of them in the UK will also see this as an opportunity to get revenge for Brexit and recent general election defeats.

Have the right behaved any better? Almost certainly not. I’ve seen some pretty nasty and xenophobic stuff written by the right throughout the last few months, which I want nothing to do with. This farce tends to bring the worst out in people (with the pleasant exception of majority people on this site I should add). However, it’s the progressive left that I believe are actively driving this situation on and it’s their control of the institutions which means I can’t see that there will be a way out of this for us in the short to medium term without blood being spilled.

217982 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to Panda, 19, #239 of 2120 🔗

Ive been saying that since March. If Trump wins the epdiemic will be over in days

217987 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Iansn, 4, #240 of 2120 🔗

I’m quite confident he will.

218046 ▶▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to DRW, 6, #241 of 2120 🔗

As indeed am I. My mate lives in the states and is confident of a landslide.

218076 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Harry hopkins, 8, #242 of 2120 🔗

Nearly every day there emerges more evidence of Democrat postal fraud. I suspect they will contest for months if Trump wins in spite of their efforts to fix it for Biden…

The Dems appear far too laid back, in spite of the HUGE numbers turning up at Trump rallies – so what do they know?

218763 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lili, replying to Carrie, 5, #243 of 2120 🔗

They’ve already written the script that Trump is going to lose the election but ‘won’t go quietly’. They’ve primed the US population already.

218109 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Harry hopkins, 9, #244 of 2120 🔗

I’m praying that Trump will win. However we must not underestimate the evil forces in America and here in the UK.

218595 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Iansn, 2, #245 of 2120 🔗

Only in America.
Of course, the Democrats might just double-down. They’re already supporting riots and violence across America. They might go for a full-blown civil war…

219324 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Iansn, 4, #246 of 2120 🔗

The democrats have already said they’ll draw out the election results till next summer.
Democrats?? Nothing democratic about them!

218011 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Panda, 18, #247 of 2120 🔗

I realize Donald Trump isn’t everyone’s sup of tea.

..but it will be Trump or Biden.

If what is happening with Covid is important to you, then, yes, Trump is better.

Notice also, that the media which is most virulently anti-Trump is also the media which most strongly promotes Covid fear.

218029 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to calchas, 4, #248 of 2120 🔗

Biden has pretty much sold the USA to China – soooo much evidence out there, which HAS been verified, despite what the MSM is saying (when they comment at all)

So Trump HAS TO win…. in 4 years he can be voted out, but if Biden wins, then there may not ever be another vote..

218950 ▶▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Carrie, -1, #249 of 2120 🔗

There will be another vote, but after the Supreme Court has been expanded to 15 with Democrat judges, votes will be given to illegal aliens, D.C. and Puerto Rico will become two new states with guaranteed Democrat Senators….It’ll be a one party state.

218361 ▶▶▶ TT, replying to calchas, 3, #250 of 2120 🔗

Also note that the spike in cases and new lockdowns arrive just in time to shut everything down for the US elections. Already told people back in March/April that the next flu season would provide the ideal pretext to label evrything as Covid and go for another round of measures to coincide with the elections, and hey! what do you know…

218093 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Panda, 6, #251 of 2120 🔗

Good analysis. There are echoes of the Remain/Leave dichotomy in all this as well.

218129 ▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to Panda, 6, #252 of 2120 🔗

I agree. The Shadow Education Secretary gave the game away when she said, ‘Don’t waste a good crisis’.

218179 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Panda, 14, #253 of 2120 🔗

I have to agree. I can’t stand the man and he’s a danger as well, but people have vastly underestimated the danger of the progressive left. Their takeover of the universities is complete and their crazy ideology has infiltrated the corporations who are kowtowing to the woke nonsense. In the past, people would look benignly at university students and take comfort in the fact the “real” world would set them straight. Now, they are successfully re-shaping the real world to fit their ideology. Trump may be the only thing standing between life as we knew it and life as the WEF imagines it.

219070 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 1, #254 of 2120 🔗

As Tony Benn used to say (and I am not on the Left),politics is not about personalities its about policies. On policy Biden would just mean more masking and more big government science and departure from normal life. Whatever one thinks about Trump as a person we have to hope he is victorious.

218363 ▶▶ we.got.played, replying to Panda, 7, #255 of 2120 🔗

100% …I am enraged by the blatant hypocrisy of the majority of left ..they have completely betrayed workers and poor people for their beloved Covid ideology..not to mention the embracing of totalitarianism . I’ve been socially and economically far left leaning most of my life and I don’t know how these morons can look in the mirror .. I think they actually believe a socialist utopia will come from the ashes of this inhumane dumpster fire. When push comes to shove I know the side I will fight for is not theirs, this is so much bigger than ideology!!! If they don’t wake up, fuck them .

217975 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 21, #256 of 2120 🔗

This weak PM influenced by and China and corrupt bent science is now the most hated man in Britain. Where is the opposition to this insanity !

218024 ▶▶ IanE, replying to nickbowes, 12, #257 of 2120 🔗

Yep – I never thought that anyone could be more hated than Bliar!

218156 ▶▶ annie, replying to nickbowes, 1, #258 of 2120 🔗

We’re it.
Don’t give in.

217979 Ursula Kraus-Harper, replying to Ursula Kraus-Harper, 13, #259 of 2120 🔗

I am not sure if anybody has noticed this recent government publication about the PCR tests (link at the end of this). It is quite technical and I am not an expert but have followed the expert discussions about this at Dr. Fuellmich’s corona enquiry in Germany, where they had a whole session of half a day about this. And, of course, there are the excellent papers from Dr. Yeadon.
Remember: these tests are what all governments are basing their lockdowns and all their other madness on.
The key passage to the government paper is copied below and I have highlighted the two main issues: the first one is clear (read it slowly!); the second one is telling, because any serious scientist will tell you that anything beyond 30 thermal cycles/amplifications does not qualify for anything. I think some well-respected laboratory in Frankfurt even said not more than 20 cycles (although I don’t have any evidence for this). As it says in the text below (last sentence) “the lower the Ct (cycle threshold) the higher the quantity of viral genetic material…” BUT it still does not show if a whole strand of the virus is present or if that virus is infectious. To diagnose infection it needs further tests, and above all, clinical confirmation (clinical symptoms).  It seems that for our government 40 amplifications are acceptable – because in that way you can produce tons of false positives and keep people in fear. Fraud!
Start of quote:
RT-PCR detects presence of viral genetic material in a sample but is not able to distinguish whether infectious virus is present. The quantity of intact virus in upper respiratory swabs will be affected by factors that are endogenous and exogenous to laboratory methods.
Laboratory exogenous factors:
1. The adequacy of sample collection.
2. The quantity of virus at the collection site.
3. The presence of inhibitors.
Laboratory endogenous factors:
1. The total volume of sample collection buffer/medium.
2. The sample preparation method (heat, lysis methods).
3. The laboratory reagent volumes used in each step of the RT-PCR process.
4. The RT-PCR assay of choice.
What is a Ct value?
The cycle threshold (Ct) can be defined as the thermal cycle number at which the fluorescent signal exceeds that of the background and thus passes the threshold for positivity (Figure 1, page 5).
A typical RT-PCR assay will have a maximum of 40 thermal cycles. The lower the Ct value the higher the quantity of viral genetic material in the sample (as an approximate proxy for viral load)
End of quote
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/cycle-threshold-ct-in-sars-cov-2-rt-pcr

217993 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Ursula Kraus-Harper, 4, #260 of 2120 🔗

This is an excellent and helpful paper. I would urge everyone to read it in full.

218030 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Ursula Kraus-Harper, 4, #261 of 2120 🔗

Thanks for this – I’m surprised the gov’t have allowed it into the public domain.

218044 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Ursula Kraus-Harper, 8, #262 of 2120 🔗

FYI, to my reading, this paper published 2020-10-24 indicates that a Ct of 32 should be the limit for detecting SARS-CoV-2:

“Of 234 samples collected, 228 (97%) were from the upper respiratory tract. SARS-CoV-2 was only successfully isolated from samples with Ctsample ≤32”

218095 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ursula Kraus-Harper, 9, #263 of 2120 🔗

That whole paper is basically saying what the inventor of the PCR said. This was know in conspiracy land as soon as test test test took hold. And I have seen numerous example of censoring Mullis’ words about it from Google, Facebook and Twitter. It’s not ever been touched by mainstream media. Google it now, you’ll see only debunking or fact checker articles claiming he was misquoted or whatever. Then go to DuckDuckGo and you’ll find reference to it. Even video footage of him saying it.

And yet here we are. PHE have suddenly decided that the person who invented the thing was not lying. I’ve seen a lot of things be banished to conspiracy land but the PCR thing has been unbelievably blatant.

218255 ▶▶▶ right2question, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #264 of 2120 🔗

i think a lot of the people who are discarded into the bin called conspiracy theorist could more accurately be called lay investigative reporters many of the people i’ve been listening to have been putting out information that takes months to arrive to the ‘acceptable’ sources of information i see a similar thing in health arena where new research often takes 20 years to inform the doctors on the ground and their practice and of course much of the research is viewed with suspicion at the time it’s first published.

218163 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Ursula Kraus-Harper, 7, #265 of 2120 🔗

Great spot. Thanks.

NHS England specified up to 40 cycles in its ‘Guidance and standard operating procedure COVID-19 virus testing in NHS laboratories’ published 16 March so this crazy cycle threshold has been with us from the beginning:

‘Where Ct values are below an agreed value (based on analysis of proficiency testing performance and other local testing data) with satisfactory quality control parameters, including internal control performance, the result is considered valid and should be telephoned and a report issued as a final result. Any such positive result will be recorded as ‘confirmed’ for public health reporting purposes and will be notifiable under recent legislation. Results where: • the Ct value is ≥ 40 and/or • there is an abnormal assay curve and/or • the clinical context makes the positive result highly unexpected should be considered interim or held until reviewed by a laboratory clinician.’

https://www.england.nhs.uk/coronavirus/wp-content/uploads/sites/52/2020/03/guidance-and-sop-covid-19-virus-testing-in-nhs-laboratories-v1.pdf

As usual, CEBM (Are you infectious…..05 Aug) clarify why using a high cycle threshold is incompetent

‘The figure below reported in Bullard shows how the probability of SARS-CoV-2 infectious virus is greater (the red bars) when the cycle threshold is lower (the blue line) ‘

This New Zealand Government evaluation of PCR tests gives an idea of the variety of tests and the variations in performance between them; confirmation, if confirmation were needed that the data provided is simply not accurate enough to justify draconian policies:

‘A recent laboratory study found that different COVID-19 testing kits correctly detected COVID-19 in samples more than 95% (and frequently 100%) of the time. When tests were done on samples without the virus, the tests correctly gave a negative result 96% of the time.’

‘But it is important to remember that tests don’t work as well in the real world. No viral test is 100% accurate. In real-world use, the viral test for COVID-19 is not 100% ‘sensitive’ (meaning able to correctly identify people with the disease all of the time). This means that if 100 people who have the disease are tested – some will have a negative result (i.e. a false negative result).

Reasons for a false negative test result could be because:

  • the sample was taken at the wrong time (too early or too late)
  • the swab did not pick up any pieces of the virus, or
  • the sample of mucus (or liquid from the lungs) wasn’t big enough.’

https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-health-advice-public/assessment-and-testing-covid-19/covid-19-test-results-and-their-accuracy

So ‘Reasonable Worst Case Scenario’ (ho ho!) 95% positive test accuracy and 96% negative result accuracy. We all know the implications of those numbers by now; we’re living it!

The data is junk

217985 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 7, #266 of 2120 🔗

Lockdown 3.0 anyone? The mad scientists are already taking about it here:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54661843

218013 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to Tenchy, 1, #267 of 2120 🔗

Utte4r shite

218069 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Tenchy, 16, #268 of 2120 🔗

Awful reporting.

“Some scientists believe that to manage the virus, our way of life may need to change forever.”

We decide that. This is scientism, technocracy, whatever you want to call it. Your PhD does not decide anything.

218151 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 15, #269 of 2120 🔗

Some scientists can say what they fucking well like, but I shall live my life as I choose.

218269 ▶▶▶ right2question, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #270 of 2120 🔗

there were those saing that right from the start before they could possibly know anything one of those was gates who has in total madness been treated like some health expert rather than a messianic man who has the money to exert control over whatever areas of global life he chooses. health is his target number 1

218097 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Tenchy, 6, #271 of 2120 🔗

They can all F. O.!

217991 Adam, 12, #272 of 2120 🔗

Fuck sage Johnson do your self a favour fatass resign and leave politics permanently you are a disgrace

217996 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #273 of 2120 🔗

Its all Science Fiction

218017 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #274 of 2120 🔗

non-science fiction

218003 Sceptic down south, replying to Sceptic down south, 7, #275 of 2120 🔗

Calling Mabel Cow

I’ve seen your web site – can you do Christmas cards? And, apologies if this has already been posted (it’s impossible to keep up to date here),

I appreciate it’s a very short practical time scale from here, but – an idea:

– Front of the card – an image:

A Christmas countryside view, a field.
3 sheep – baa, baa.  And then opposite them the other side of the field gate, 3 humans, wearing muzzles looking back at them – baa, baa.

– Inside the left of the card – narrative:

“With apologies to George Orwell

The creatures outside looked from man to sheep,
and from sheep to man,
and from man to sheep again;
but already it was impossible to say which was which.”
(or different?)

[ and yes the order is deliberate, we have become sheep ]

– Inside the right of the card

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year
Seasons Greetings to all
Heil Boris! [ or Heil Bazza or whatever ]

– Back of the card

Inspired by Bazza, Twazza (or Twatta?), Micksy and Dumsy
On behalf the National Socialist Conservative Wankers Party
[ OK, “Workers” if preferred, particularly for Aunt Mabel ]

Maybe there are far more creative themes / variations on that, but I would love to send something to people this Christmas that didn’t really pull any punches!  I can do something myself, on matt paper (Christmas card like) etc, but if someone did something (on a light commercial basis) that saved a bucket load of hours / lots of individuals reinventing wheels…

If you’re doing them, then I’ve got an order in.  But perhaps earlier rather than later, so I can also then sell the idea to others (to buy them as well)….

Thoughts, other ideas? And, if not, maybe others do this sort of stuff?

218532 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Sceptic down south, 2, #276 of 2120 🔗

Great idea! I hadn’t thought of Christmas cards because (silly me) I hadn’t imagined that we’d still be neck-deep in the omnishambles at Christmas.

I’ll have a play and get back to you. I’ll publish the artwork so anyone can create their own cards, and I’ll have a look around for a decent on-demand publisher where I can post them.

218612 ▶▶▶ Sceptic down south, replying to Mabel Cow, #277 of 2120 🔗

“I hadn’t imagined that we’d still be neck-deep in the omnishambles at Christmas.”

Well, indeed..:)

Brilliant, looking forward to it!

218005 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 1, #278 of 2120 🔗

16.00 broadcast from the blonde idiot

218021 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to arfurmo, 13, #279 of 2120 🔗

If he announces a lockdown… with no vote in Parliament – I would hope there will be swift consequences..

Do they already know the outcome of the Dolan appeal I wonder?

218058 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to Carrie, 2, #280 of 2120 🔗

Due midweek apparently. Hoping and praying.

218066 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to alw, 8, #281 of 2120 🔗

If the government thought they had lost, then they would not be planning a lockdown.
I rather suspect they have been told the outcome already, ie that Dolan has lost, so they are free to lock the country down again…

218556 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Carrie, 1, #282 of 2120 🔗

Sadly I think this is almost certain with Dolan v Crown. However, there are a lot of ongoing court cases and hopefully one will get through and set a precedent. Remember that Google’s attempt to take over copyright of every book ever published was only thwarted by a local district judge somewhere in upstate New York.

218082 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to arfurmo, 2, #283 of 2120 🔗

I wonder if he will wear a purple tie? and face paint or will he shine a torch under his chin….now children are you sitting comfortably…….

218090 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to arfurmo, 1, #284 of 2120 🔗

Hopefully by then I will be three sheets to the wind. Just waiting for some friends to arrive who are thoroughly pissed off too. 🥃 🥂 🍻 🍺 🍹 🍹 🍷 🍾

218006 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 14, #285 of 2120 🔗

This whole farce has gone religiously medieval. Blind faith was totally accepted and to question the church was an act of heresy. Heretics were sort out, punished and executed because their heresy could bring down Gods wroth on the whole of humanity. I feel that the majority have blind faith and I/we are heretics for questioning the C19 faith.

I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a tv program about a heretic, infected with the killer disease and killing all the people in his town because of his lack of faith.

218142 ▶▶ annie, replying to Smelly Melly, 7, #286 of 2120 🔗

In the Middle Ages, blind faith was not totally accepted. Otherwise there would have been no heretics to persecute.

The Cathar heresy, in southern France, took twenty years to crush, using the full might of the French state, then the most powerful in Europe. And even then, the heresy didn’t just disappear.

It took a crusade to (attempt to) finish off the Hussites. Their English cousins, the Lollards, never were finished off. Their ideals fed directly into the Reformation.

Of course, it has to be admitted that medieval people were a lot more intelligent than modern ones. And they didn’t have the BBC, or Twitter.

218010 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 26, #287 of 2120 🔗

Totally off topic and no apology. RIP Sir Sean Connery.

218028 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to Sam Vimes, 4, #288 of 2120 🔗

After Nobby ,now ‘Mr Bond’. I’m feeling old.

218081 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to peyrole, 1, #289 of 2120 🔗

Me too.

218332 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to peyrole, #290 of 2120 🔗

Blew up all those meglomanics but ended up as one of Sturgeon’s biggest fans, ironically. Will dig out the Goldfinger DVD later anyway.

218032 ▶▶ dpj, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #291 of 2120 🔗

Presumably that will be covid claiming it’s highest profile victim then. He couldn’t possibly have died of anything else in 2020.

218040 ▶▶▶ Al T, replying to dpj, 7, #292 of 2120 🔗

He died in the Bahamas so won’t affect UK figures! Unlike my friend’s wife who has died of Cancer but had Covid put on her death certificate.

218063 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Al T, 2, #293 of 2120 🔗

It should be possible to contest that – but likely will be made very difficult. People need to publicise these lies as widely as possible..

218085 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Carrie, #294 of 2120 🔗

I agree.

218561 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #295 of 2120 🔗

The Battle of the Bonds can now continue in heaven. RIP Sirs Sean and Roger.

218701 ▶▶ TyRade, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #296 of 2120 🔗

that’s 700 new deaths from COVID then, according to Witty/Vallance; no wait, 007.

218014 peyrole, replying to peyrole, 14, #297 of 2120 🔗

Its so f*ing obvious, has been from early March. We are where we are because ‘everyone has to have a vaccine’. And certain people will get filthy rich(er), and some will get to control the herd. Nothing has changed, everything is designed to promote this outcome. The only possible fly in the ointment is the ‘wrong’ election result in the US, but even this may well not be enough to derail this train.

218113 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to peyrole, 2, #298 of 2120 🔗

Trump has trucks ready to go for mass vaccination. So while he is preferable to Biden, dark shadows remain in some corners

218505 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #299 of 2120 🔗

He’s also talking about medicines though… and I am not sure he would make vaccines mandatory..

218944 ▶▶▶▶ freedoc, replying to Carrie, #300 of 2120 🔗

He absolutely would not.

218022 Confused, replying to Confused, 8, #301 of 2120 🔗

Do you have any tips for how to counter the inevitable “there’s a lag” objection every time you point out that everything is basically fine other than the government’s concocted “cases” measure or whatever’s popped out of their model this week?

Without fail, every time I point out how deaths are still normal for the time of year and hospitals aren’t crumbling, the response is “there’s a lag so deaths will go through the roof in a couple of weeks”.

Yet by the time a couple of weeks has gone by and everything remains fine, we’ll have been locked down again and they can claim that’s the reason why.

218161 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Confused, 1, #302 of 2120 🔗

I have just one of those from someone who said come back in 4 weeks. Next week is 4 weeks and excess deaths remains within normal range. Of course, thats because of local lockdown, which of course, has nothing to do with cases baked in

218023 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 14, #303 of 2120 🔗

Time for Cabinet Ministers to resign, ready to salvage something from the carnage at a later date. The fat weak minded idiot PM may as well put the two ronnies of doom in the Cabinet as it is they and their billionaire sponsored “science” that is calling the shots.

218055 ▶▶ alw, replying to nickbowes, 11, #304 of 2120 🔗

Witless, Unbalanced and Damnation. What useless specimens of the human race.

218127 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to alw, #305 of 2120 🔗

As a member of the human race I object to their inclusion in it, even as useless specimens.

218232 ▶▶ Telpin, replying to nickbowes, #306 of 2120 🔗

If Sunak ever wants to be elected Tory leader now is the tune to resign. Otherwise he’s tarred with this

218026 cloud6, replying to cloud6, 14, #307 of 2120 🔗

Well the manic, obsessive lunatics have really taken over the asylum, a quote from our local rag “”It’s not too late to save Christmas – but a national lockdown is now needed – advisers have reportedly told the Government.””

Here’s my reply….

What do you mean “Save Christmas”, I thought it was all about saving lives?

How about some real statistics, 2018 55,000 excess deaths from Flu. 2017 165,000 (450 a day) die of cancer. 2017 78,000 die from smoking. (the data is ONS and the latest available, there is no reason to suggest but the figures when available for 2020 will show a massive increase in these figures).

Today 2.5 million people are living with cancer and 26 men a day die of prostrate cancer.

In perspective I feel.

218465 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to cloud6, 1, #308 of 2120 🔗

Yes – they’re REAL figures. The ones that are given out by our ”leaders” may not be genuine. How can we know? We DO know they’re not ”cases” but only false positives. But they could pluck any number out of the air, that just suits their purpose on that day.

218027 James007, replying to James007, 11, #309 of 2120 🔗

The most depressing update for weeks. Trying to rebuild life and carry on as best as possible. I was feeling more optimistic this week and had some positives. It is an awful thought that they may put us through it again.

Perhaps if we hadn’t had the first lockdown, many of us who are not in high risk categories would have had the virus by now.
Obviously there will be an NHS winter crisis, the NHS frequently does over winter.

218439 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to James007, 1, #310 of 2120 🔗

Pity they dismantled the Nightingales, then. They kept saying there’d be a ”second wave”, after all.
Professor Levitt said a couple of months back that the deaths would be back to normal in mid October. Dr Yeadon says that the October figures show a slight rise from the norm – and these include unexpected deaths of YOUNGER people from preventable causes – stroke, heart attack, suicide – ie a result of lockdown.
We know we’re being manipulated, cheated, insulted and coerced.

218911 ▶▶▶ chris c, replying to Banjones, 1, #311 of 2120 🔗

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51768274

scroll down tha pages a bit and there’s a graph of overall deaths. Yes even on the BBC.

Not a lot going on there, so of course we must be locked down again

Earlier they dragged the Ferguson fuckwit out again. And Devi Sridar.

LOOK AT YOUR OWN GRAPHS YOU UTTER TROLLS

218035 Eddy, replying to Eddy, 7, #312 of 2120 🔗

4pm news conference this is it. Full imprisonment.

218041 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Eddy, 26, #313 of 2120 🔗

Kirstie Allsopp on Twitter:

It’s pissing with rain, Sean Connery has died and at 4pm the PM is going to tell us all the shops & restaurants we want to go, people we want to see & activities we want to do are off limits. How’s your day going so far?

218045 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Eddy, 4, #314 of 2120 🔗

Laura Kuenssberg:

PM will appear alongside Prof Chris Whitty and Sir Patrick Vallance

218051 ▶▶▶ Eddy, replying to Carrie, 7, #315 of 2120 🔗

How do the vaccine salesmen get so much airtime?

218062 ▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Carrie, 8, #316 of 2120 🔗

quick! just enough time to organise a sniper with 3 bullets…

218072 ▶▶▶▶ IanE, replying to dommo, 1, #317 of 2120 🔗

Too quick and easy.

218078 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to IanE, 2, #318 of 2120 🔗

I’d take whatever to rid us of these monsters.

218073 ▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to dommo, 1, #319 of 2120 🔗

I was just thinking exactly the same.

218206 ▶▶▶ Marvin42, replying to Carrie, 3, #320 of 2120 🔗

You’d have to pay me real money to watch that one!

218236 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Carrie, 1, #321 of 2120 🔗

With Beelzebub joining the backing group.

218092 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Eddy, #322 of 2120 🔗

And at the precise time that it’s announced “cases” in the UK have exceeded 1 million.

218455 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Tenchy, 1, #323 of 2120 🔗

And we now know that these ”cases” are nearly all false positives, that hospital admissions and deaths are around normal for this time of year.
Anyway – we don’t know that these so-called ”case” figures are even genuine. Where are they finding these hundreds of thousands of people, or millions, to test? They could tell us anything and we’ve no way of checking.
”Just tell ’em it’s over a million, Chris – they’ll believe it coming from you. Got to act quickly though, so that it looks as though banging ’em up actually brought the figures down.”

218042 we.got.played, replying to we.got.played, 1, #324 of 2120 🔗

Hello all, to express my revulsion at deep-dive into totalitarianism, I have taken the liberty of reappropriating the lyrics of a song by the anarcho-punk band crass.. hope you enjoy :
Banned from the Left-wing… O.K.
I never much liked playing there anyway.
They said they only wanted well behaved boys,
Do they think revolutions and resistance are just fucking toys?
Fuck ’em, I chosen to make my stand,
Against what I feel is wrong with this land.
They just sit there on their overfed furloughed arses,
Feeding off the sweat of less fortunate classes.
They keep their fucking power cause their finger’s on the button,
They’ve got control and won’t let it be forgotten.
The truth of their reality is at the wrong end of a gun,
The proof of that is Victoria, and that’s no fucking fun.
Seeing the elderly rotting in the care homes,
Seeing the masked school children playing in a chalk square.
Finding the entrance to your own front door is barred
And they’ve got the fucking nerve to call it protection.
Seems their protection is just the threat of strength,
Protection for the privileged at any length.
The government protecting their profits from the poor,
The rich and the fortunate chaining up the door.
Afraid that the people may ask for a little more
Than the shit they get. The shit they get.
The shit they get. The shit they get.
The shit they get. The shit they get.
The shit they get. The shit they get.
PROTECTION? SHIT, IT’S NOTHING LESS THEN WAR
AND NO ONE BUT THE GOVERNMENT KNOWS WHAT THE FUCK IT’S FOR.

Oh yes they say it’s quarantine , they say it’s decency,
Mai Lai, Rodrigo Duterte, know what I mean?
The same fucking lies with depressing frequency,
They say “We had to do it to keep our lives clean”
Well whose life? Whose fucking life?
Who the fuck are they talking to?
Whose life? Whose fucking life?
I tell you one thing, it ain’t me and you.
And their system, christ, they’re everywhere,
School, army, church, corporation deal.
A fucked up reality based on fear,
A fucking conspiracy to stop you feeling real.
Well ain’t got me, I’d say their fucking wrong,
I ain’t quite ready with my gun, but I’ve got my song…
Banned from the Left-wing, well O.K.
I never much liked playing there anyway.
GUNS.

219166 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to we.got.played, #325 of 2120 🔗

I love CRASS.
Nice one.

218047 Eddy, replying to Eddy, 13, #326 of 2120 🔗

First it was about saving lives. Now it’s about saving Christmas. I’m not looking forward to saving easter. Scam.

218059 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Eddy, 11, #327 of 2120 🔗

I suspect it may be partly to stop the ever-increasing number of court cases. Remember Michael O’Bernicia is planning to issue summonses to every MP at the beginning of next week (Monday was mentioned)…

218064 ▶▶▶ Eddy, replying to Carrie, 2, #328 of 2120 🔗

I think they have been issued.

218070 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Eddy, 1, #329 of 2120 🔗

Hope so!

218075 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Carrie, 2, #330 of 2120 🔗

Fantastic. It’s about time our representatives are held to account.

218136 ▶▶▶ 2 pence, replying to Carrie, #331 of 2120 🔗
218498 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to 2 pence, #332 of 2120 🔗

That explains the lockdown – I’m guessing court cases needing a jury can’t go ahead during a lockdown??? If indeed *any* cases can be heard..

218121 ▶▶ annie, replying to Eddy, 6, #333 of 2120 🔗

It didn’t save Easter this year, as the. churches grovelled and crawled.

218383 ▶▶▶ petgor, replying to annie, 1, #334 of 2120 🔗

Let’s hope that our politicians, particularly Hancock, haven’t been watching what is going g on in parts of Australia, where a fully fledged police state appears to have arrived.

218205 ▶▶ Marvin42, replying to Eddy, #335 of 2120 🔗

It’s only about saving face.

218378 ▶▶ petgor, replying to Eddy, #336 of 2120 🔗

And of course we had to “save the NHS” rather than its purpose, which was to save us. Instead, we seem to have arrived at backdoor euthanasia.

218052 sky_trees, replying to sky_trees, 19, #337 of 2120 🔗

Daniel Invictus on twitter saying he understands we won’t be entering a lockdown (yet).

he’s been wrong before, but I imagine a stay at home message would have the 8pm ‘we interrupt this broadcast’ video, as well as announcement in parliament first.

either way, this all feels like terrorism to me. Terrifying people to get what you want. It cannot be allowed to stand.

218074 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to sky_trees, 6, #338 of 2120 🔗

Applying the Terrorism Act would be a novel approach, especially since it is indictable and hence subject to citizens arrest. From Wikipedia
Section 1.
(1) In this Act “terrorism” means the use or threat of action where-
(a) the action falls within subsection (2),
(b) the use or threat is designed to influence the government [or an international governmental organisation] [3] or to intimidate the public or a section of the public , and
(c) the use or threat is made for the purpose of advancing a political , religious[, racial] [4] or ideological cause .
(2) Action falls within this subsection if it-
(a) involves serious violence against a person,
(b) involves serious damage to property,
(c) endangers a person’s life, other than that of the person committing the action ,
(d) creates a serious risk to the health or safety of the public or a section of the public , or
(e) is designed seriously to interfere with or seriously to disrupt an electronic system.
(3) The use or threat of action falling within subsection (2) which involves the use of firearms or explosives is terrorism whether or not subsection (1)(b) is satisfied.

218094 ▶▶▶ dommo, replying to p02099003, 1, #339 of 2120 🔗

so is gross negligence manslaughter – which seems much more applicable in all the circumstances…

218182 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to sky_trees, 5, #340 of 2120 🔗

I think Bozo knows that the leak has given time for anger to build, rather than his ‘instruction’ being a fait accompli on Monday. So he’s doing his press conference today to puncture that anger with a semi-lockdown that is, presumably less bad than many people feared. The real lockdown to follow in a week or two.

218485 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #341 of 2120 🔗

Quite possible… but doesn’t furlough end this week? I’m guessing lockdown is to prevent protests over that..

Do they want immediate lockdown in order to prevent people having time to empty the shops of supplies?

218479 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to sky_trees, #342 of 2120 🔗

Hancock got told off by the Speaker for announcing measures publicly before presenting them to Parliament – seems like Boris hasn’t learned the lesson…

But if lockdown happens immediately then Parliament won’t be in session for the Speaker to say or do anything about it (probably the intention)

There is ZERO need to announce a lockdown today – nothing has changed since yesterday.
When they announced masks there was a time delay before the rule came in…despite the supposed urgency then!

218053 Winter, replying to Winter, 5, #343 of 2120 🔗

Had a phone conversation with the ex husband earlier this morning. Highly intelligent, senior white collar position etc. Realises that lockdown is having a hugely damaging effect in terms of the economy, morale etc. But apparently it’s everyone’s fault for not ‘obeying the rules’. I pointed out that there was very high compliance earlier this year. ‘Yes’ he said ‘and it worked’. I pointed out that all it did was kick the can down the road, and did he really want to spend the next few years with severe restrictions. Apparently he’s quite happy with that because he’s 66 and his (diabetic, pretty unhealthy) sister died of Covid. Of course this is a shame. However we also have a twenty year old autistic (high functioning) son who’s life chances are already pretty shite.

Bottom line – apparently it’s all very well for these 20 and 30 year olds, but the old must be protected at their expense. I despair.

218371 ▶▶ petgor, replying to Winter, 3, #344 of 2120 🔗

Here in Bournemouth we had, as was well publicised, vast numbers visiting us and occupying our beaches in vast numbers. Many would have been locals. But there was no spike.

218804 ▶▶▶ Winter, replying to petgor, #345 of 2120 🔗

That’s Covid for you – doesn’t like the seaside!

218056 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 17, #346 of 2120 🔗

This is unbelievable. I cannot believe that this country is being ran by absolute cretins.

218060 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #347 of 2120 🔗

No, I don’t believe it either.

Because it isn’t true.

218067 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to calchas, 1, #348 of 2120 🔗

Of course not – the cretins couldn’t run a whelk stall!

218105 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 2, #349 of 2120 🔗

Believe it!

218065 p02099003, 2, #350 of 2120 🔗

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/local-news/crowd-up-50-kids-caught-4657451 so the illegal drinking is more acceptable than possibly having the virus. ( of course the fines for the virus are higher than for drinking)

218068 alw, replying to alw, 4, #351 of 2120 🔗

This from the excellent Mike Yeadon.
https://threader.app/thread/1322423458882637825

218258 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to alw, #352 of 2120 🔗

This too with Mike Yeadon. Would that he were there in place of Wittery, et al.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y51GICqL9E

218071 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 16, #353 of 2120 🔗

I don’t see how ending more businesses, ending more jobs, sinking the economy even further is going to save anything at all, let alone Christmas. Even Bob Cratchit had a better Christmas. At least he had a job. At this rate the average british Christmas is going to consist of people telling their children: “Sorry, but we couldn’t find anywhere to buy a Christmas tree, everywhere is close. And sorry but Santa couldn’t afford any presents this year either cause he’s been laid off.”
Thanks for saving Christmas, Boris.

218080 ▶▶ PWL, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 9, #354 of 2120 🔗

Because it’s exactly about ending business and jobs. There is no pandemic. The medical emergency is a pretext for deliberate economic sabotage.

The Queen is at economic war with the British people

218084 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to PWL, 1, #355 of 2120 🔗

Sorry to say this, but the Queen is a hood ornament. She refuses to take a position. What good is a leader that does not lead?

218103 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 13, #356 of 2120 🔗

The Queen is not a leader, just a figurehead and personification of the nation. That’s the nature of a constitutional monarchy at the end.

The good that She does (that the monarchy as an institution does), is primarily preventing scum like Blair or Johnson becoming formal Head of State. It’s not all that much, but it’s not nothing, either.

218118 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Mark, 6, #357 of 2120 🔗

When you look at other heads of state, it’s a great deal more than nothing.

We could, after all, be in the Rep. of Ireland under the aegis of a Teashop.

218256 ▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Mark, 6, #358 of 2120 🔗

Spot on. People who say we should abolish the Monarchy should contemplate ”President Tony Bliar” or ”President Richard Branson” or anyone else of that ilk, with money enough to buy their way up.

218278 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Banjones, #359 of 2120 🔗

Just to be clear, i didn’t say monarchy should be abolished. In fact, i think it’s great that monarchy is kept. I’m conservative, so i appreciate that there is such a strong reminder for honor and tradition.
I was responding to the accusation that it is the Queen that is at economic war with the people, which i don’t believe to be true. Not only do i think she wouldn’t do such a thing, but i don’t think she could if she wanted to.

218466 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Mark, 2, #360 of 2120 🔗

The thought of Prince Charles as monarch is scary too, given that he is all for the Great Reset…

219340 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Carrie, #361 of 2120 🔗

Not very appealing, for sure, but not a huge problem either given the aforementioned lack of any real power.

218251 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #362 of 2120 🔗

But they don’t WANT to ”save anything”. That’s the point. It’s all working out just as planned.
Do you REALLY think that BJ gives a ….. about Christmas or people’s welfare generally, so long as he keeps plugging away at following the agenda?
I wonder when people are going to stop giving him the benefit of the doubt.

218334 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Banjones, 5, #363 of 2120 🔗

It is all part of the Great Reset. It’s very hard for the elites to impose socialism on the planet if capitalism is doing so well. This is part of the reason why Trump is so maligned by the media: not only is he a convinced capitalist, but he has implemented measures to reduce the size and control of government, leading to a year of unprecedented wealth increase in the middle class in 2019. Economies which are even remotely capitalist need to be brought down and crashed as hard as they can be, people need to end up in the streets, starving and freezing, so that the elites can then pretend that this fabricated crisis is the fault of capitalism and that socialism is the only way out.

And this isn’t about convincing the masses about adopting socialism. The herbivore masses already are in favour of it. This is about the pro free market people, the ones that still advocate for and implement a free market. The masses are for now willing to discuss with this minority, and at times they may even see reason. So this is about giving those herbivore masses enough despair and enough fear that they will stop discussing and they will become violent. This is about turning the people against themselves. Divide et impera. We’re seeing this in every aspect of society. Face mask rules meant to make people fear for their lives when they see someone with a mask, giving them a self-preserving reason to become violent. For, after all, beating someone is perfectly acceptable if your life is at risk, right? We see the same thing in the racial tensions in the US. People made to fear and be violent towards their peers, because that keeps them from being violent towards the puppet masters.

So markets will crash, and times will be hard, and everyone will have to sacrifice their freedom and their work in favour of the nanny state, because it is only the nanny state that keeps us safe. And we’ll all be too busy working to survive one day to the next to worry about going on vacation, or owning luxurious houses, and the elites will be free to go wherever they please and do whatever they please without the filth of the plebs polluting their eyes. For it is not money that they’re after. What use would someone like Jeff Bezos or Bill Gates have for money? It’s about control. It’s about never seeing a dirty working class pleb ever again in their lives.

218352 ▶▶ MutzNutz, replying to Tom Blackburn, #366 of 2120 🔗

Usual swivel eyed bollocks and and barely anybody there. Sad really

218088 James Marker, replying to James Marker, 26, #367 of 2120 🔗

The many Conservative MPs opposed to lockdown must make their voice heard today. I would hope that Sunak and others will resign if another national lockdown is imposed. It may be that Witless, Van-tam and the other statists who sit on SAGE will resign if they don’t get their way – let them.

218096 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to James Marker, 11, #368 of 2120 🔗

Someone needs to stand up ! Sunak ? Resign and get out of this sh*tshow. This PM and Government are a disaster !

218098 ▶▶ dommo, replying to James Marker, 7, #369 of 2120 🔗

resignation is too easy a way out – they should be carted off in handcuffs!

218146 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to dommo, 5, #370 of 2120 🔗

Let’s not let the best be the enemy of the good here. If the government had been meaningfully conservative they would have sacked the lot of them right at the beginning, for failing to resist the panic away from the rational Swedish style response originally planned.

Resignations might not be as satisfying as proper punishment, but it would at least get them further away from the levers of power.

218243 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to dommo, #371 of 2120 🔗

Handcuffs is too good for them. How about cuffs and chains?

218290 ▶▶▶▶ ChrisDinBristol, replying to Lms23, #372 of 2120 🔗

Orange jump suits. And gimp masks, of course.

218271 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to James Marker, 4, #373 of 2120 🔗

I think Rishi may indeed resign. He’s been juggling the plates but there’s a massive tax shit show coming. And there won’t be any businesses to pay it.

218099 calchas, 6, #374 of 2120 🔗
218100 Caroline Watson, replying to Caroline Watson, 82, #375 of 2120 🔗

‘Experts’ are now saying, on the BBC of course, that we will be wearing ‘face coverings’ for the next five to ten years. For some people that will be the rest of their lives. And for what? Mediaeval superstition.
It might seem minor to some, and in comparison with the loss of a life or a business it is (although the mask nonsense is destroying small businesses) but, for me, that is the most offensive edict of all. I will not cover my face. I find the idea deeply, deeply sinister.
This needs to be stamped on, hard!

218112 ▶▶ annie, replying to Caroline Watson, 12, #376 of 2120 🔗

Happy to do any stamping required.

218119 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Caroline Watson, 10, #377 of 2120 🔗

Why just for 5 or 10 years? What will change?

218132 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Julian, 5, #378 of 2120 🔗

Nothing. It will be 5 years more in 10 years.

218234 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Julian, 7, #379 of 2120 🔗

Nothing. It’ll be unacceptable not to wear a face mask by then.
A bit like some countries where women are required to cover their faces in public, and get physically attacked if they don’t.

218155 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Caroline Watson, 7, #380 of 2120 🔗

WITH BLOODY GREAT BIG “HOB NAIL” BOOTS.
Younger sceptics; ask parents and grandparents

218170 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Caroline Watson, 7, #381 of 2120 🔗

Those who ordered these mask edicts had no idea just how it would feeble whole societies. Sure, it was only meant to give people the fortitude to go out shopping, or to get on a bus.

I can judge well the impact it has had on public transport as I get on a bus near every day. It’s scarred off passenger. Why would you get on one if they are dangerous people have to wear a mask?

218227 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Ned of the Hills, 16, #382 of 2120 🔗

“Those who ordered these mask edicts had no idea just how it would feeble whole societies.”

Yes they did. And that’s why they did it.
That’s why they’ve also pushed the narrative that it’s about “respect and consideration of others” and not infection control.
I wonder when the environmental movement will start pushing back against the environmental pollution and damage to wildlife from all these unrecyclable, potentially contaminated face masks.
Probably about the time they decide that covering the landscape with non-recyclable, environmentally damaging, uneconomic wind turbines and solar panels, all made with highly toxic scarce materials….

218241 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Lms23, 6, #383 of 2120 🔗

Yes – ”contaminated”! If they were really effective, virus carrying, then there would be hazardous waste containers around for their disposal.

219391 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Banjones, 3, #384 of 2120 🔗

And of course, there aren’t any. We’re being made fools of and it won’t get better by itself.

218373 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Ned of the Hills, 12, #385 of 2120 🔗

it was only meant to give people the fortitude to go out shopping, or to get on a bus

That was pure propaganda. Masks are a tool of control and to keep people separate and fearful. The Government’s actions make it clear that it does not want to fortify anyone, quite the reverse. Round here, footfall in shops continues to be low and bus and train use is much lower than pre-March.

Masks also weaken your immune system and make you more susceptible to illness which you will spread around by constantly touching them and wearing them incorrectly.

It is all deliberate. Otherwise why would wearing them be mandated with ever-increasing fines for non-compliance?

BTW, p02099003’s comment is priceless, I’ve saved it for future use. MW

218201 ▶▶ Marvin42, replying to Caroline Watson, 11, #386 of 2120 🔗

So that is no optional shopping, no pubs, no restaurants, no theatre, no cinema for me for the next 5-10 years then – deep joy. Also 5-10 years probably means forever. I mean what will change in the 5-10 years?

218367 ▶▶▶ petgor, replying to Marvin42, 4, #387 of 2120 🔗

We may be getting close to the time when the living envy the dead.

218212 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Caroline Watson, 4, #388 of 2120 🔗

The stamping will be a boot on a human face for ever.

218231 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 6, #389 of 2120 🔗

Not my face it bloody won’t be.

218230 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Caroline Watson, 3, #390 of 2120 🔗

Yes indeed, Ms Watson.
Have you signed the petition? https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/331430
Toby mentions it every day, yet it is growing suspiciously slowly.
It won’t make any difference, of course, but it shows us we’re not alone.

218268 ▶▶ petgor, replying to Caroline Watson, 5, #391 of 2120 🔗

Same here. I have never possessed one and never will.

218389 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Caroline Watson, 9, #392 of 2120 🔗

Non-compliance for as long as it takes. Also please do yourself a favour and ignore the BBC’s fear-porn. (It may be true that some people will never be able to get rid of their masks but we don’t have to take any notice of them.)

We saw a couple of highly educated acquaintances yesterday. They clearly get all their information from MSM. Our guess is Grauniad and BBC.

They believe the lot. The lot. The best bit was watching both their jaws hit the floor when we told them we had never worn masks and would never do so!

Anyway, they both seemed to be listening as we intoned the Sceptic Litany. Who knows if they’ll bother to poke around under the propaganda? It’s not as if people are dropping dead in the street around here and nobody has actually had the Black Death since March. The three we know of recovered. MW

218411 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Caroline Watson, 3, #393 of 2120 🔗

I hadn’t heard that edict yet myself – this is by far the most appalling outrageous and destructive thing that could happen. I feel ill just reading your post CW

219395 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Marialta, 1, #394 of 2120 🔗

Things will get a lot worse than that and all the more so for those deluded individuals, who line up for Gates’s terminator vaccines

218106 Elenesse, replying to Elenesse, 34, #395 of 2120 🔗

Just watched two people walk past my window wearing masks. Outdoors. What the actual f***? People are so damn brainwashed. Masks cause so much more damage than that bloody virus!

218124 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Elenesse, 12, #396 of 2120 🔗

Absolutely, was in Kidderminster this morning, P××sing down with rain and bitterly cold; saw a bloke wearing just jeans and a tee shirt, but he was perfectly alright because he was wearing a rain sodden face nappy.

218131 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Elenesse, 11, #397 of 2120 🔗

I ventured into the city centre yesterday (Belfast) and could not believe the amount of people wearing masks outside. I made my trip very brief.

218189 ▶▶ Marvin42, replying to Elenesse, 10, #398 of 2120 🔗

Mask wearers outside – they look like non-people. Forgive me if I never extend to them the common courtesy of a smile a “hello” or an “after you”… Mind you never really venture near the high street much these days because of these zombies, but when I do I just say to myself “out of my way” should a masked up BBC News watcher approach. Not the person I used to be – and I hate it. What have they done to society?

218403 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Marvin42, 1, #399 of 2120 🔗

Maybe we should start swerving away from anyone wearing a mask, to make a point…whilst actively looking away from them….?

218972 ▶▶▶ chris c, replying to Marvin42, #400 of 2120 🔗

Not many masks outside of shops here, and only the occasional masked car driver.

Had an entertaining day yesterday. Traffic ground to a halt where the main road ran through a village. The reason was a pair of ducks copulating in the middle of the street. A woman got out of a camper van and chased them up a drive into someone’s garden. She was wearing a floral mask. So was the camper van driver and all the passengers. It looked like an explosion in a garden centre.

219589 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Marvin42, #401 of 2120 🔗

It’s not your fault, so don’t be so harsh on yourself.

218228 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Elenesse, 15, #402 of 2120 🔗

Who do they think the masks protect?
The wearer or everyone else?
This is where the logic of universal mask wearing falls down.
Masks protect other people from the wearer.
Implicit to this is that the wearer is infectious but doesn’t realise it.
As everyone is wearing masks to protect others (as suggested on the government advert), then that implies everyone is infected.
Therefore universal mask wearing is pointless as everyone is infected and potentially infectious.
If everyone is infected then we have community immunity and future lockdowns are an unnecessary evil. Also vaccination is not required.

218279 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to p02099003, #403 of 2120 🔗

You have managed to put this into words so logically!
Thank you!

218580 ▶▶ Ben Shirley, replying to Elenesse, 1, #404 of 2120 🔗

I walked to the end of my garden path a couple of days ago, opened the gate and saw a woman walking towards me with a face mask on. On observing my approach, she stepped into the road, and walked around two parked cars before returning to the pavement, confident only then that I wasn’t going infect her with something.

218108 calchas, 4, #405 of 2120 🔗
218110 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 18, #406 of 2120 🔗

Reasons to be anxious: 1: Received notification of my NHS bowel cancer test kit, always relieved to receive negative result.
2:Teenage cancer ( 2 teenage granddaughters)
3:Death by road accident (see above) plus other people in family.
4:Dementia.
5:Other illness and disease related to old age ( wife and myself almost 72)
No 999: Covid virus.

218116 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Fingerache Philip., 13, #407 of 2120 🔗

Somewhere in my top 10 I would put “Global medico fascism for the rest of my life, which will ruin my children’s lives”

218264 ▶▶ petgor, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #408 of 2120 🔗

I am expecting my bowel cancer kit any day, and am wondering whether there’s any point in bothering.

218977 ▶▶▶ chris c, replying to petgor, 1, #409 of 2120 🔗

I never bothered with them. They put the wrong return address on, surely it should be 10 Downing Street

218302 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #410 of 2120 🔗

In Germany, cancer screening from a young age for both sexes is widespread.
When I asked my friend who is in his 70s if his GP had ever done prostate exam, he said no. My father in Germany has one at least once a year and has had one since his 50’s.
The mind boggles how the NHS is dismissing pro active prostate screening.

218360 ▶▶▶ MutzNutz, replying to Silke David, #411 of 2120 🔗

If you are concerned about prostate cancer you only have to ask your GP for a PSA test. Its not rocket science

218477 ▶▶▶▶ StevieH, replying to MutzNutz, #412 of 2120 🔗

PSA test misses 15% of cancers.

218368 ▶▶ ChrisDinBristol, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #413 of 2120 🔗

No. 666, surely.

218551 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to ChrisDinBristol, #414 of 2120 🔗

Good point.

218111 annie, replying to annie, 45, #415 of 2120 🔗

Was talking to a friend thus morning, deep in Gulag Wales.
He was serving in the West German forces watching the border with East Germany not long before the wall came down. He could sense the collapse building up.
He says he can sense the same thing now. He gets to talk to a lot of people.

218143 ▶▶ calchas, replying to annie, 9, #416 of 2120 🔗

Yes – my feeling too.

covid-19 is an attempt to save the system, by those that run it – and save themselves too of course.

Honecker, Ceaucescu and the rest of them, must be kicking themselves in their grves, that they never thought of declaring a pandemic.

218324 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to calchas, 1, #417 of 2120 🔗

Communist European countries were already under epidemic circumstances, until they woke up and realised there is no virus.

218202 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to annie, 3, #418 of 2120 🔗

The forces watching the border were BAOR and US in south. BRD was Dad’s Army at best. I met Prinz Ernst August (the heir at the time and the local BRD commander, father of the current one) at our house at a party after a combined exercise. My father was responsible for communications over on a large part of the front. He told us that the plan was based on holding back the USSR for 4 days for negotiations before we had to ‘go nuclear’.

218220 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 8, #419 of 2120 🔗

I have to say this because it really annoys me (though it’s off subject): I find it quite amazingly ignorant that people use the phrase ”Dad’s Army” to denigrate any organisation.

This ”Dad’s Army” in the last German war was made up of men who had day jobs yet were ready to train and put their lives on the line to defend our country to the last man. (Not run away to find a better life somewhere.) And THIS when it was believed that the Germans were going to invade – not IF but WHEN. They were brave, committed and determined – and obviously still unrecognised.

Find another phrase with which to insult, rather than show disrespect to people who were a damn sight braver than most of us here.

218656 ▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Banjones, 2, #420 of 2120 🔗

Capt. Mainwearing would agree..

218554 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #421 of 2120 🔗

(Based on nothing at all) I thought it was more like a 4 hour window ?

219437 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #422 of 2120 🔗

Madness then and madness now.

218311 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to annie, -10, #423 of 2120 🔗

Well, East Germany was on the brink of an economic collapse, I guess Britain is in the same situation, but it has no West Germany with a finance package.
Brexiters made sure of that.

218356 ▶▶▶ petgor, replying to Silke David, 10, #424 of 2120 🔗

Oh, so you think that the EU comprising 27 countries all with their own problems would rush to help us. Really?

218359 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Silke David, 6, #425 of 2120 🔗

Brexit is nothing to do with this.

218476 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Silke David, 3, #426 of 2120 🔗

Given that the EU doesn’t create it’s own money and relies on net contributers instead, if not for Brexiters, we’d be paying for bailing out the others. No thanks.

219441 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Silke David, 1, #427 of 2120 🔗

Brexit is simply a straw man. We now have much bigger fish to fry.

218114 EssieSW, replying to EssieSW, 2, #428 of 2120 🔗

Press conference today at 4 apparently

218172 ▶▶ Marvin42, replying to EssieSW, 8, #429 of 2120 🔗

Will be avoiding that – can’t bear to watch any of them – cringe levels off the scale.

218986 ▶▶ chris c, replying to EssieSW, #430 of 2120 🔗

Now well after 6 and still hasn’t happened. They just had Ferguson on again, and Devi Sridar again. She’s quite cute.Well I would, she just wouldn’t like where. Now believe it or not it’s Sunetra Gupta. Quite unbelievable

218120 PWL, replying to PWL, #431 of 2120 🔗

How’s your controlled opposition anti-lockdown corporate fringe and alternative media doing leading you out of lockdown, folks?

Action to end the interminable unlawful lockdown


218150 ▶▶ Julian, replying to PWL, 2, #432 of 2120 🔗

No-one is controlling me thank you very much. I can’t speak for others but they don’t sound like easily controlled types.

If you want to make a case for how we are “controlled” and propose alternatives, please go ahead. I am not sure what “corporate fringe” and “alternative media” mean in this context because I am just an ordinary person, so you’ll need to spell it out for me.

218210 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to PWL, -1, #433 of 2120 🔗

You mean, the allowed opposition that acts as a safety valve for the population that doesn’t believe the government-approved B.S.?
Depends on how much influence they have in the MSM and how many people they persuade that this is all complete Bllx.
And it’ll also depend on the results of the U.S. election, when the gloves come off, from either side.
If the US Republican politicians are still in a majority and discover they have some balls, maybe they’ll finally sort out the social media giants who are busily censoring the conservative and anti-lockdown side.

218122 petgor, replying to petgor, 28, #434 of 2120 🔗

Margaret Thatcher, we need her now more than ever. With her intelligence and her ability to get to the nub of the problem and of course her courage, she would have interviewed Witless and Unbalanced and, always assuming that they impressed her, she would have insisted that they consult the likes Henegan, Sikora and Gupta etal. Guaranteed that she would have borne past pandemics in mind and have balanced this current virus against non Covid deaths and the economy.

The current pygmy crew with pygmy minds have no focus.

218140 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to petgor, 3, #435 of 2120 🔗

I hated Thatcher with a vengeance and still hate her but I agree with every word you have said.
Alternatively, a second Oliver Cromwell.

218153 ▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to Fingerache Philip., #436 of 2120 🔗

Seconded

218158 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Alan P, #437 of 2120 🔗

Thanks.

218215 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #438 of 2120 🔗

I too hated Thatcher at the time.
But I’ve changed my mind about her since then.

218490 ▶▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Lms23, #439 of 2120 🔗

A lot of us (me included) have changed their minds about pretty much everyone

218766 ▶▶▶ ChrisDinBristol, replying to Fingerache Philip., #440 of 2120 🔗

We’ ve already got one. Or is it Oliver Hardy?

218190 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to petgor, -5, #441 of 2120 🔗

Thatcher? That’s your solution to this. Dear God.

218253 ▶▶▶ petgor, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #442 of 2120 🔗

And your solution is….?

219784 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to petgor, #443 of 2120 🔗

This is a crisis of government and the machinery that it is built on. Totally captured by narrow interests. You are basically hoping for the Strongman (or woman) to give you something to rally to, and you have named them Thatcher. Some are naming it Trump.

We are not solving this by some nostalgic belief that it was all better under Thatcher or that somehow she’d see through all of this. The truth is, to be in power today she would have had to grow up through the existing machinery and would not be the person you remember her as. She’d be captured too. This system is truly broken and is the reason why calls for Sunak to take over are equally misplaced.

They are captured. And pressing their own agenda.

218204 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to petgor, 1, #444 of 2120 🔗

I doubt anyone ‘interviewed’ Wittery and sidekick. They’d have been appointed by the Masters on previous form, no doubt, and their ability to follow orders and stick to an agenda while keeping a straight face. And BJ is just a useful idiot.

218239 ▶▶ Jonathan Smith, replying to petgor, #445 of 2120 🔗

But given she’s dead, what’ll we do instead.

218254 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Jonathan Smith, 1, #446 of 2120 🔗

Necromancy

218351 ▶▶▶ petgor, replying to Jonathan Smith, #447 of 2120 🔗

Pray?

218276 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to petgor, 1, #448 of 2120 🔗

MT was prone to worshipping science…led her to believe the nuclear industry’s lies about how cheap nuclear energy was, when it was twice the cost of gas. She was to the fore on ozone depletion (rightly I think) but the then was an early adopter on climate change.

218346 ▶▶▶ petgor, replying to OKUK, 1, #449 of 2120 🔗

In terms our current situation it is fair I believe to assume that her scientific background, her intelligence and her no nonsense attitude would have equipped her to deal with our current problems. Was she perfect? No, but then neither was Churchill, but he got us out of a mess.

218123 Janice21, replying to Janice21, 13, #450 of 2120 🔗

I see it mentioned recently but why arent there more people coming out about falsified death certificates? I’m guessing it’s because the media arent willing to give them a platform? If we had a lot of them publicly speaking out it with proof then there would be more sceptics. How can people not see we are being lied to?

218219 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Janice21, 1, #451 of 2120 🔗

Because it’s difficult to provide in retrospect that someone didn’t die of CV19.
Unless they were killed in a road traffic accident, or similar. It’s knowing where to go to complain where you’d be heard and believed against the opinion of a medical doctor who completed and signed the death certificate.

218135 calchas, replying to calchas, 3, #453 of 2120 🔗

From January 23rd 2020:

“Bundeskanzlerin Angela Merkel hat in ihrer Rede beim Weltwirtschaftsforum in Davos „Transformationen von gigantischem, historischem Ausmaß“ angekündigt. „Die gesamte Art des Wirtschaftens und des Lebens, wie wir es uns angewöhnt haben, werden wir in den nächsten 30 Jahren verlassen“,

https://www.welt.de/politik/article205283507/Merkel-in-Davos-Gesamte-Art-des-Lebens-in-naechsten-30-Jahren-verlassen.html

Chancellor Angela Merkel, speaking at the World Economic Forum in Davos, has forecast a gigantic, historical transformation. ” The totality of our economy, and the whole way in which we live, will change completely in the next 30 years”

218159 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to calchas, 4, #454 of 2120 🔗

That is a mistranslation. What she says is, “Over the next thirty years, we will abandon the entire way of doing business and living to which we have accustomed ourselves.” It’s an active statement not a passive observation, and in “angewöhnen” it expresses the idea that the current way is something habituated that needs to be rethought.

218174 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #455 of 2120 🔗

ausgezeichnet!

218283 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #456 of 2120 🔗

Herzlichen Dank

218175 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #457 of 2120 🔗

Agreed!

218531 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #458 of 2120 🔗

Goodness, there are some impressive dudes on this site. 🙂

218193 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to calchas, #459 of 2120 🔗

She should have added ”If I’ve got anything to do with it….”

218222 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to calchas, #460 of 2120 🔗

Did she say why?

218138 Voz 0db, 4, #462 of 2120 🔗

Good NEWS… At least is not from heating bats!

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218141 Allen, replying to Allen, 19, #463 of 2120 🔗

These governments know full well that “Covid” is being used as cover for crashing the economies in the Western world. There is not now and never has been a “pandemic”- that is all Kabuki theater to disguise the reality of rapid economic decline brought on by the Ponzi Schemes of financial institutions over the past few decades.

The US (and much of the Western world) is in economic free fall. This was occurring long before Covid Mania was engineered but now it is moving with much greater velocity.

The collapse started in 2008 and attempts to salvage this Leviathan have been failures only delaying the inevitable. Fast forward to 2019 and the crisis began to unravel again.

There was a dramatic decrease in industrial production and then showed up in the banking crisis of August of 2019- the so-called Repo crisis when suddenly banks started to refuse US sovereign debt instruments as collateral of overnight loans forcing the
Federal Reserve to step in and basically print money to cover this massive shortage.

So by the time the “Corona virus” appeared the economy of the United States and many other Western countries were in full blown collapse.

The “Corona Virus” has proven to be very useful (poetically and coincidentally showed up just in time) by political leaders to mask (metaphor and reality) what was and is going on in the “real world” of the financial trenches. The economic destruction that it is being blamed for this is absolutely extraordinary.

We are suppose to pretend that it’s not economic policy decisions made through the years by financial parasites (who are now here to save and “reset” us) that are destroying our lives but some alien virus. It’s all lies.

From Corey Morningstar:

The devolving of physical relationships and whole societies, up against an accelerating, digitalized, virtual world is not a social dilemma. The leveraging of COVID-19, waged as a weapon against the citizenry, is not a social dilemma. Rather, this is the strategic destruction of the social. A social dismantling. A social deliquesce. A social nightmare.

 For the Fourth Industrial Revolution to take hold, our global society must be socially engineered to accept, even prefer an artificial existence over that of a physical one. The saturation of the collective psyche with language and framing such as “tech for good” is strategic, a key method and means of obtaining the social license required for the Fourth Industrial Revolution “great reset.” The “watch dogs” put forward as reassurance to assuage a growing anxiety, thus a growing threat of backlash, serve not society, but the hand that feeds.

Physical is dangerous, digital is safe. Humans are lethal, technology is benign. Masks assist in dehumanising the human body. The conditioning for avoidance of human intimacy. Children learning not to touch. Nature is both separate and zoonotic – stay home, stay safe. Our deteriorating social fabric, already eroded from social media, and technology at large, has been doused with gasoline. It burns in silence behind a veil of willful blindness. Both isolated and detached from the physical presence of one another, and nature herself, we are in freefall. Remains of relationships in piles of invisible ashes.

218148 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Allen, 7, #464 of 2120 🔗

I am convinced that this agenda will ail, because those planning it do not understand us.

218157 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to calchas, 5, #465 of 2120 🔗

I think that the WEF etc are trying to piggyback this agenda on an attempt to either save the current financial system or construct a new one under their control.

218169 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to calchas, 4, #466 of 2120 🔗

I think they understand quite well that the majority of the population are easily manipulated.

218188 ▶▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to JHuntz, 4, #467 of 2120 🔗

Judging by the recent poll that has 51% of the U.S. population believing that the verifiable and provable allegations against Joe Biden and his family is “Russian disinformation,” as endlessly told them by a partisan and heavily biased media, you’re probably correct, but it’s a slim majority. The other half no longer believes anything the MSM or government tells them.

218203 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Lms23, 1, #468 of 2120 🔗

Presumably another CNN poll…

218187 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Allen, #469 of 2120 🔗

We all know that the ”figures” are questionable anyway, as well as knowing that this is not a deadly plague.
And with hospital admissions and deaths inconveniently falling they had to do something quickly so that they could say ”Look, everyone, the number of ”cases” have fallen and that was because we banged you up”.

218406 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Allen, #470 of 2120 🔗

Great article – can someone get it to Simon Dolan? Am sure he would tweet it…

218390 ▶▶ MutzNutz, replying to Tom Blackburn, #472 of 2120 🔗

Link doesn’t work?

218145 Jen Z, replying to Jen Z, 7, #473 of 2120 🔗

Anyone else unsure if they can manage another Lockdown?
Considering this is completely unrelated to the virus (in terms of virulence etc) I can’t see how this is ever going to end.
I know people say cheer up, but it’s kinda hard when you’re applying for jobs and there appears to be no worthwhile future ahead.

218353 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Jen Z, 9, #474 of 2120 🔗

Are you young by any chance? (Noticed your username and the fact you’re applying for jobs)

There is a worthwhile future ahead. If you are young, you have your whole life ahead of you and there could be historical events in the future that dwarf this in terms of significance that could prove to be hugely beneficial. Lots will happen in your life.

I am an optimist and I like to think that people’s natural humanity will come through in the end. Even just getting your head out of the internet and MSM doom-mongering, there’s humanity all around. People out and about, going to cafés, children playing in playgrounds, couples and families meeting and celebrating milestones as best as they can. There are indeed some very sinister people who are using this crisis to further their own agendas but because they are psychopaths, they are incapable of realising how strong human impulses actually are. A lot of what is happening is attempting to suppress those impulses but I refuse to believe that 8 months of restrictions will reprogram millions of years of evolution and biology. It just won’t happen. As someone said on here, less than 1% of the people on earth are controlling this and they are up against BILLIONS.

It may be a hard road to a better future but you will be able to tell your children that you fought for what was right.

219855 ▶▶▶ JuttaW, replying to Poppy, #475 of 2120 🔗

that was the most wonderful comment I’ve read on here, after reading hundreds. Thanks a lot. Furthermore I agree with you totally, because being fatalistic is like giving up. People on the internet are far more pessimistic then those you see when you go outside. Last week a video was posted about a bus driver in a town in Germany. He asked everybody who got on the bus to take of the mask, as he explained he does not like them, finds them submissive. Everybody took the mask off and mostly with a big smile and nodding.
So in the comments section everybody agreed that we should do the same.

There has been one progress concerning the mask. Bearing the mask is not a LAW, but a recommendation by our gvts over the heads of parlament. So people had the choice when going shopping to say because of health reason, they can’t wear them. Of course there were those zealous staff instisting that they should be worn inside the store. One clever guy wrote to the HQ of all the big supermarkets, hardware stores and the like, explaining what was happening in their stores. All of them certified, that their staff would be instructed not to bother customers when they say that for health reasons couldn’t wear a mask. And because of the EU guidelines of the protection of data privacy they did not have the right to ask or look at a medical certificate.

That is the hook everybody anywhere should work on or with. Instead of crying here on the internet which is unproductive, why not do the same in the UK? Because the mask is the key! I’ve printed many copies of the letters by the HQ of big supermarkets with which I went in front of some of them. I’ve asked especially young people if they comply with wearing a mask and many of them said no. I then explained and gave them a copy of that letter. And as humans are gregarious animals many might follow. Someone has to start that’s all.

218149 Heather Moffett, replying to Heather Moffett, 8, #476 of 2120 🔗

A carer friend pm’d me this, these poor old people. If I were in a home and confined to a small room for 14 days, I would go stir crazy. I would rather be dead than end up like that, so would take my chances with Covid. A life of imprisonment is no life, barely even an existence. I would have no hesitation to end my life rather than live in prison.

‘Heather, I don’t want to write this on your group, but the local authority care home that I work at, after a staff member tested positive with 2 consecutive tests last week, so had to have all of our residents tested on thursday. Whilst I was at work last night, public health wales phoned and spoke to our manager. Several of our residents have tested positive for covid. NONE have symptoms, all are well. We are now in lockdown, all inside and outside AND window visits cancelled, ALL residents confined to their rooms for the next 14 days. The ones who tested positive have been told that they have covid, their families have been told they have covid, families are scared and upset, the residents who are positive probably now think they are going to die, so that fear in itself might cause them to become ill. Locking the residents up for 14 days will have huge detrimental impact on their well being. Im so angry.

218458 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Heather Moffett, #477 of 2120 🔗

Might be worth sending to Allison Pearson (DT) or Anna Brees. AP did a good video about elderly people in lockdown

218152 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 12, #478 of 2120 🔗

We already know the politicians who are destroying society but it is time also to seek and out every member of this sinister Sage Group. Many are already out in the open as they just love spouting their rubbish daily on the bbc and fake media. People need to understand that these so called “experts” have 100% guaranteed salaries and many have massive $$$ back handers from the usual suspects. After WW2, many top rank Nazi`s had to flee to Argentina, we need NOW to be compiling who these scumbags within are -ready to be put in front of the people, the very people whose livelihoods now have been ruined and freedoms destroyed.

218166 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to nickbowes, 1, #479 of 2120 🔗

I daresay they had to declare conflicts of interest before they were appointed…. or did they?
Perhaps that’s why they were so secretive at the beginning – giving them time to get their dodgy ducks in a row.
We all know one of them at least has shares in a company that could gain by prolonging this ”emergency” till the poison – sorry – vaccine is produced.

218173 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to nickbowes, 6, #480 of 2120 🔗

Don’t know why journos aren’t doorstepping these fuckers

218338 ▶▶ dommo, replying to nickbowes, #481 of 2120 🔗

agreed 100% – but why not throw in a citizen’s arrest for gross negligence manslaughter, instead of just compiling a list?

218154 Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, 2, #482 of 2120 🔗

Boris Johnson is expected to announce a new national lockdown next week after scientists warned COVID-19 was spreading faster than their worst predictions.

THE WONDERFUL EFFECT OF MASSIVE INFLUENZA VACCINATION!

218306 ▶▶ right2question, replying to Voz 0db, 2, #483 of 2120 🔗

research shows flu vaccine leads to 35% greater chance of contracting coronavirus (any coronavirus)

218342 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to right2question, #484 of 2120 🔗

And that is OLD research… Even the US military has that data since the 60’s 70’s

218160 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 15, #485 of 2120 🔗

If BJ actually BELIEVES this tripe he’s being fed, then he really is not the person we took him for. Perhaps having a classical education doesn’t equip one for the Real World. It’s probably made him in awe of anyone who styles themselves ”a scientist” so that he actually can’t sort the sheep from the goats and realise there are degrees of competence, even in the scientific community.

What an ignorant, arrogant, damaging twerp he’s turned out to be.

218167 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Banjones, 8, #486 of 2120 🔗

He’s always been full of shit. The man wrote two statements on Brexit and picked a side by tossing a coin.

218176 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #487 of 2120 🔗

AND actually pledged on the website standup4brexit.com to ”abandon May’s WA as dead”.
You’d have thought his classical education would have suggested nuances of the word ”pledge”, wouldn’t you?

218322 ▶▶ right2question, replying to Banjones, 2, #488 of 2120 🔗

i’m a leftie who’s discovered the limits of ideology during this 6 months. i must say though that i could never understand why anyone would even buy a second hand car from bj

218412 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Banjones, 1, #489 of 2120 🔗

Was this speech by BJ, from Sept 2019, made public at the time?

https://www.wired.com/beyond-the-beyond/2019/09/transcript-boris-johnsons-remarks-un-general-assembly/

I think it must have been kept quiet, because otherwise I doubt he would have won the election…

218441 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Carrie, #490 of 2120 🔗

I remember seeing a bit of that speech satirised on the Room Next Door.
Personally, can’t see anyone having paid any attention then, as they don’t now.

218164 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 6, #491 of 2120 🔗

PTSD? Long Covid brain fog? Bipolar illness inherited from his mother?

Or just craven political
cowardice similar to 1930s appeasement or Cameron’s craven surrender to PC ideology?

218168 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to OKUK, #492 of 2120 🔗

Or just a useful idiot? But whose?

218178 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Banjones, 1, #493 of 2120 🔗

Who exactly funds the World Economic Forum? Does anyone know

218184 ▶▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to OKUK, #494 of 2120 🔗

Is it that Schwab guy?

218223 ▶▶▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Dan Clarke, #495 of 2120 🔗

He heads it. Doesn’t fund it.

218218 ▶▶▶▶ chaos, replying to OKUK, 2, #496 of 2120 🔗

Big companies like Goldman Sachs. And rich individuals e.g. Gates. Anyone who pays to attend…

https://www.weforum.org/about/our-partners .

218265 ▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to chaos, #497 of 2120 🔗

Sauron? Sorry – Soros?

218297 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Banjones, #498 of 2120 🔗

Yes. He’s a member.

218413 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to OKUK, #499 of 2120 🔗

Probably Bill Gates!

218195 ▶▶ chaos, replying to OKUK, 7, #500 of 2120 🔗

Boris never had covid. Look at the video again. I shook hands with lots of people with corona. Why tell us that? It’s bad acting. Setting us up.. Honk honk.

He’s just a chump. A 6th former mind.. a man who cheats on women past the age where that is forgiveable.. a posh rich boy in an oaf’s body. With a posho green XR supporting girlfriend (who works for a Rockerfeller organisation) old enough to be his daughter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3NAx3tsy-k

218229 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Smith, replying to chaos, 3, #501 of 2120 🔗

That’s really pushed the whole conversation forward. 🙄

218303 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to chaos, 2, #502 of 2120 🔗

Yes and Boris’s NZ nurse was a secret service agent sent by Jacinda…and the Kiwis who spoke to the media claiming to know her were all paid shills…

That’s the problem with daft conspiracy theories. Pretty soon you’ve got tens of thousands of people inolved in your conspiracy.

218247 ▶▶ Telpin, replying to OKUK, 1, #503 of 2120 🔗

Definitely the latter. If we go into another lockdown Sunak needs to resign- otherwise he’ll be tarred with this whole disaster and never be elected Tory leader

218171 calchas, replying to calchas, 8, #504 of 2120 🔗

Boris ‘panics and U-turns’

Just like:

Merkel ‘panicked and U-turned’

Macron ‘panicked and U-turned’

Sanchez ‘panicked and U-turned’

Conte ‘panicked and U-turned’

……….

You get the idea.

218177 ▶▶ Mark, replying to calchas, 8, #505 of 2120 🔗

That’s how panic works

It’s also how weak scum like politicians work – so long as “everyone else” is doing it, they think they can’t be blamed for any consequences. Safety in numbers.

218185 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Mark, 1, #506 of 2120 🔗

I see, so when an army from one country invades anther country it isn’t that that they are following a concerted plan, but rather they are all fleeing from a mirage that all of them think they can see behind them.

218197 ▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to calchas, 4, #507 of 2120 🔗

That is pretty much what kicked off the First World War, in a nutshell…..

Now we know that another World War could easily happen again, such is the incompetence of the various national leaderships, government bureaucracies, on display

218207 ▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Tim Bidie, 3, #508 of 2120 🔗

In the First World War the armies were all following plans decided years before. Most notably the Sclieffen Plan in Germany.

218221 ▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Tim Bidie, 3, #509 of 2120 🔗

In order to decide whether an individual or an organisation is incompetent or not, you must first know the goals they are seeking to achieve,

218249 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Tim Bidie, 1, #510 of 2120 🔗

Simplistic reading of the first workd war.It was caused by the rise of Germany which upset the balance of power.Germany wanted an empire in the east at the expense of Russia.Russia aligned with France.The assassination of Frank Ferdinand was the trigger but it would have happened anyway.
We joined in a vain attempt to defeat Germany and maintain our position as world number 1.
Strip away the different ideologies and World War 2 was just a continuation of the first.
If you supplement China for Germany and U.S.A for UK we are in a similar situation now.The global hegemon is threatened by a rising power.

218524 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #511 of 2120 🔗

Railway Timetables.
“AJP TAYLOR’S Railway Timetables Theory (as the starting point of WW1)
All the mobilization plans had been timed to the minute, months or even years before and they could not be changed. Modification in one direction would ruin them in every other direction. Any attempt for instance by the Austrians to mobilize against Serbia would mean that they could not then mobilize against Russian because two lots of trains would be running against each other. The same problem was to arise later for the Russians and in the end for the Germans who, having a plan to mobilize against France, could not switch round and mobilize again against Russia. Any alteration in the mobilization plan meant not a delay for 24 hours but for at least six months before the next lot of timetables were ready.”
http://www.ae.metu.edu.tr/~evren/history/texts/taylor1.htm

218250 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to calchas, #512 of 2120 🔗

Your point doesn’t seem relevant to our exchange. Armies are not politicians and do not behave similarly, in any relevant aspect..

218357 ▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Mark, 1, #513 of 2120 🔗

You painted politicians as group, with the panic of the individuals concerned as mutually reinforcing.

I drew the analogy of an army at an international border.
My implication is that politicians are acting in concert – like the soldiers of the army.

219336 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to calchas, #514 of 2120 🔗

OK, but all that does is return us to where we began. Two theoretical possibilities that could explain the observed behaviour.

Personally the idea of spreading panic and herd behaviour is a lot more plausible to me than a hypothesis of Johnson, Macron, Merkel et al all being part of an organised and disciplined command structure of some kind.

218272 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to calchas, 7, #515 of 2120 🔗

No panic. All part of the plan. Pure theatre. New words need to be made to describe my contempt and hatred for them.

218428 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to calchas, #516 of 2120 🔗

Only that lockdown is the only tool in their box.

218181 Jared, replying to Jared, 15, #517 of 2120 🔗

https://www.redditchadvertiser.co.uk/news/18833622.covid-marshals-set-take-streets-redditch/

Businesses are closing down, families are struggling to feed their children, the elderly are kept prisoner in care homes (while BBC actors and dancers can afford to socially ‘bubble’) and young people are denied basic human rights and freedoms… But Worcestershire county council and Redditch can afford to spend OUR money on snitches and snoops?! I can’t wait to bump in to one of these lockdownazis.

218196 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Jared, 17, #518 of 2120 🔗

Indeed. One of our Saturday staff got dobbed in by a neighbour when she went to a friend’s house. The police turned up and asked her friend’s mother if there was someone in the house who shouldn’t be. This is what we have come to.

No police when you are burgled, assaulted or have to run the gauntlet of drug-dealing, oh no. Bastards the lot of ’em.

218224 ▶▶ annie, replying to Jared, 3, #519 of 2120 🔗

It’s going to be a really, really taxing job. They will have to

“remind people of the best routes through one-way systems”

218422 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to annie, 1, #520 of 2120 🔗

Whenever I’m walking I’m always going one way.

218194 RickH, 6, #521 of 2120 🔗

The graph of long-term Swedish mortality that has appeared recently (see above) is very interesting because the pattern closely reflects the England& Wales pattern for the 27 years that I have looked at – a pattern which shows winter-spring mortality in 2019/2020 to be only eighth highest in that time-span.(Hardly an ‘unprecedented’ disaster).

I projected backwards from that period, and came to the conclusion that I have, in ~three quarters of a century, lived through about two dozen worse periods of infection – i.e. that this past year has been in only just the top third of mortality when adjusted for population over a biblical lifetime.

The Swedish figures suggest that this is indeed probably the case.

Which then leads us on to other comparisons with Sweden and their experience – doesn’t it?

218199 Jonathan Smith, 8, #522 of 2120 🔗

“The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary.” ~ Mencken

218200 Peter Thompson, replying to Peter Thompson, 6, #523 of 2120 🔗

haircut this afternoon ? I imagine Boris and Whitty will close most things until Christmas.

218216 ▶▶ dommo, replying to Peter Thompson, 2, #524 of 2120 🔗

only good thing to come out of this shit-show is learning how to cut my own hair – & much better than i’ve ever had it done at a barber’s…

218238 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to dommo, 4, #525 of 2120 🔗

Me too. Had more comments saying how nice it looks than I ever had when I paid north of £50 for it to be cut professionally,

218340 ▶▶▶▶ davews, replying to kh1485, 1, #526 of 2120 🔗

Fortunately I don’t have much hair at my age but it is no problem to make a quite reasonable trim of it now and again. When the barbers opened in July I was tempted to go and have a proper one but that is one service I can manage without.

218418 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to dommo, #527 of 2120 🔗

I just run a razor over it every few weeks, No 1 all over.

218226 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Peter Thompson, 4, #528 of 2120 🔗

Just bought a set of Surker clippers (great reviews – pretty much a +£100 Wahl Magiclip copy) for just £20, all metal body.. the prices of clippers and webcams will likely rise again. It will not be just for one month. To think you could get a Logitech C920 for as little as 30-45 quid just a few months ago.. now they sell for £100 or more…

Looking forward to home delivery again. No slots and everything sold out and bizarre substitutions…

Fuck off and die Boris.

218295 ▶▶▶ dommo, replying to chaos, #529 of 2120 🔗

i use and highly recommend the remington quickcut

218296 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Peter Thompson, #530 of 2120 🔗

I’ve booked my haircut for Tuesday if they’re still open then.

218435 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Peter Thompson, #531 of 2120 🔗

Good thinking!

218208 kh1485, 11, #532 of 2120 🔗

So, takings absolutely decimated today. Bit of a pincer movement – rumours in the press of a lockdown next week and then Bozo and his effing boffins on the box this afternoon.

218211 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 4, #533 of 2120 🔗

Do not implement a second national lockdown or other restrictions this winter
https://petition.parliament

218298 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #534 of 2120 🔗

This link seems wrong. Here it is:

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/549862

218339 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Basileus, 1, #535 of 2120 🔗

Interesting, my constituency has one of the highest proportions of signatories, I didn’t know we had it in us!

218225 Hill Street Bluez, 10, #536 of 2120 🔗

We may be living in a parallel universe. Lockdown Sceptics are portrayed as villains by the New Normals; the supposed contagion spreaders, the killers of the elderly and vulnerable. The real villains are those who believe they can suppress a virus. Who think they can stop humans associating with each other.
The collateral damage caused by this foolishness will in time become fully apparent.
The New Normals care about themselves alone, not future generations. The average age of death for those with the virus is 82. So they trash the economy and ruin the lives of the young, never mind future generations. Just so they can paint themselves as virtuous and caring.
How does this sit with the XR crowd who are apparently so worried about the future of the planet? Perhaps an impoverished future fits in with their environmentalism. So long as the plebs aren’t starving, what’s the problem?
XR and the New Normals don’t give a damn for the lives of the future generations. Both love the catastrophism being indulged in today by so-called liberal democracies in thrall to dodgy data from China and her camp followers.

218233 sky_trees, replying to sky_trees, 14, #537 of 2120 🔗

my prediction: no lockdown, just an update on the numbers and doom mongering from the stooges. I suspect someone leaked it to try and compel action as a last ditch effort, because it wasn’t winning the support they wanted – no 10 doing a leak enquiry suggests this leak was not part of the plan. And given recent commitments I would imagine a lockdown would need a debate and vote, not a press conference.

and a month long lockdown would mean Johnson would surely be gone ASAP: it would be an admission that he was wrong and Starmer was right, as well as an admission things are now worse because he delayed (it would have have been 2 or 3 weeks before).

we are pivoting to Sweden or US republican strategy without being public about it.

i also think Trump’s gonna win, btw.

218248 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to sky_trees, 11, #538 of 2120 🔗

Hope so

218257 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to sky_trees, 1, #539 of 2120 🔗

You might be right. However, my thought would be that if lockdown is even on the table then it would be make sense (as much as anything makes sense) to announce it now rather than tell everyone it isn’t happening and then go back on that in a week.

218381 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to sky_trees, 3, #540 of 2120 🔗

My theory is that SPI-B (or some other group of bastards) are continually calculating whether or not to ‘lockdown’ the rest of England. Using data from the ‘locked-down’ places, and analysis of public opinion everywhere else. They game us.

218444 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to sky_trees, #541 of 2120 🔗

Good point.
Politically, he has nothing to gain from locking down, but everything to lose.
And vice versa.
Which should interest and drive him more.

218237 RickH, replying to RickH, 6, #542 of 2120 🔗

after scientists warned COVID-19 was spreading faster than their worst predictions.”

Well – you can forget the ‘scientists’ label …

But that apart, a quick glance at the CEBM tracker of ‘cases’ (not illness or death) – which they produced as a response to the last hysterical outburst from the Chuckle Brothers – sort of blows these sort of knicker-wetting modellers’ fantasies out of the water. :

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/tracking-uk-covid-19-cases/

Clearly, having got away with so many fabrications and downright lies, official policy is to double down in the expectation that the population in general is so gullible that they will swallow any old crap.

218467 ▶▶ jb12, replying to RickH, 2, #543 of 2120 🔗

They are that gullible. Yesterday I was informed by an academic at the university that the wearing of masks is backed by scientific consensus. Presumably the consensus is that he has read nothing contrary in the Guardian.

218244 Cecil B, 8, #544 of 2120 🔗

Apologies didn’t sign in this morning, have been collecting the discarded face nappies from the street (Will be washed and soon available on Designerfacenappies.con)

Is the pig dictator still trotting about on all fours?

I have intercepted his letter to Santa (can’t say how) Guess what he’s asked for?

218245 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 3, #545 of 2120 🔗

Telegraph reporting “Swedish regions are pleading with the central government to introduce tougher coronavirus restrictions amid a new surge in cases.”. Funny how no authority ever seems to plead to be released .
No doubt Carrie will be along to tell us how true this is.

218266 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to arfurmo, 8, #546 of 2120 🔗

I tried commenting on a video showing how deserted London feels these days that Sweden is a success story. My comment got quietly deleted by YouTube. I didn’t even say that Sweden is a success story for how they handled the virus. This is the offending part of my comment:

And completely ignored by the mainstream is Sweden, who just happens to be the biggest success story in the Western world.

I had to jump through hoops to cheat the algorithm. But there you have it. YouTube is actively blocking any mention of Sweden being a success.

218425 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to arfurmo, 2, #547 of 2120 🔗

Telegraph is behind a paywall – who are they quoting as their source for this information? If I know then I can do some ‘digging’…

I’ve just been out shopping and it was very busy – as usual for a Saturday – in fact possibly more so, due to people buying sweets for Halloween and grave candles for tomorrow (1st Nov is a fairly big thing here).

In theory I am in one of the towns with a few extra recommendations, but it would seem people are not worried. Didn’t see any more masks than usual (which is very few..)

As usual, I glanced at the newspaper headlines and neither the local paper nor the tabloids had any Covid headlines at all… For some reason supermarkets don’t sell the two ‘serious’ newspapers, but I see the tabloids as a reasonable gauge of what ‘the people’ are thinking (as opposed to the politicians!!!!)

218437 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to arfurmo, #548 of 2120 🔗

https://www.nachdenkseiten.de/?p=66378
Here’s an article from today in German, by a German living there, and explaining the more recent changes.
Basically, outside if Sweden, it’s all framed.

218252 calchas, 12, #549 of 2120 🔗

President Lukashenko refused to ‘panic and U-turn’: He said:

Meanwhile, the IMF continues to demand from us quarantine measures, isolation, a curfew. This is nonsense. We will not dance to anyone’s tune ,” said the president.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/world-bankimf-exposed-covid-aid-conditional-imposing-extreme-lockdowns-curfews

218260 Simon, replying to Simon, 21, #550 of 2120 🔗

Write to your MP

As the great Peter Hitchens says, MPs cannot reason, but they can count. Bombard their inboxes with polite but to the point letters reminding them their job is at risk.

Here’s my effort today. The second letter I have written. I didn’t even bother to read his reply to that as I think it’s as pointless as the MP himself.

Dear Mr Bhatti,

I can no longer support a government that perpetually ignores many other scientists, evidence and is threatening to make the same mistakes as it did in March.

This is unacceptable in a democracy and dictats which have no scientific backing should and now will be ignored. I am tired of having to listen to discredited scientists and their fantasy predictions.

The government has failed its people and look like they are going to again. How you can allow this to happen is largely beyond me and shows a lack of due care to your constituents. Locking up healthy economically productive people is ludicrous. And the average age of death is still beyond that of the official life expectancy in this country.

It is very easy to focus on the real problem areas, but we seem to have had nothing but scope creep for the original objective. The NHS is shut for people like me, I am appalled at the cancer deaths and lack of diagnosis of people I know. Where the money is going to come from for an NHS after this is anybody’s guess.

Seeing as the continued government imposed lockdown and policy has destroyed many businesses and my income, you can now expect to lose yours at the next election.

218267 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Simon, 8, #551 of 2120 🔗

Elections?

How will they be conducted?

Will they be conducted?

Is there a Party opposing these measures?

218277 ▶▶▶ Simon, replying to calchas, 1, #552 of 2120 🔗

It doesn’t need a party, just enough pissed off people to stand up against these cretins.

218273 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Simon, 10, #553 of 2120 🔗

My MP is a 60 IQ Marxist, a statist, clap RNHS heroes, wear your damn mask cretin. If I wrote something to her that put my feelings plainly I’d be arrested.

218280 ▶▶▶ Simon, replying to Liam, 2, #554 of 2120 🔗

Do it politely and firmly. They are only interested in themselves and their future employment. I can’t think of any that are doing it for the benefit of others, can you?

Remind them you are needed for them to ride their gravy train.

218288 ▶▶ mari, replying to Simon, 2, #555 of 2120 🔗

Excellent letter. You could also remind him that, when the truth comes out, and it WILL, he will have to face his constituents. Boris and his henchmen will run for their bunkers, but your MP will be in real trouble from the people he was supposed to represent. That should wake him up.

218293 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Simon, 11, #556 of 2120 🔗

Well, yes, write to your MP.Explore all avenues etc.

Peter Hitchens, as good as he is, is still stuck in the 1945-2020 era, where these things mattered, where prosperity was increasing most of the time.

With the financial system now at stake, the authorities have now plainly taken the gloves off, just as Frank Zappa said they would:

““The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it’s profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater.”

218301 ▶▶▶ Simon, replying to calchas, 10, #557 of 2120 🔗

I’ll take 1945-2020 over this anyday :>)

218314 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Simon, 2, #558 of 2120 🔗

Oh – me too.

219934 ▶▶▶▶ JuttaW, replying to Simon, 1, #559 of 2120 🔗

me too, and I like to add, that I’ve never liked to think about my age, we all know we just feel like 40 or so….. but I must admit for the first time in my life I am happy that I am O70, if there was not the bitter pill and the thought of my children.

218330 ▶▶▶ mari, replying to calchas, 3, #560 of 2120 🔗

Yeah, the Truman Show. Then he became awake (I wont use ‘woke’) and walked off the set….

218481 ▶▶▶ Lucky, replying to calchas, #561 of 2120 🔗

A great quote. Thanks for that.

218294 ▶▶ Simon, replying to Simon, 1, #562 of 2120 🔗

Check out the reply, it’s hilarious. I hope it’s all letters of complaint……

SAQIB BHATTI, MP FOR MERIDEN

Thank you for contacting me – This is an automatic reply to confirm that your email has been received safely.

My office is receiving an unprecedented amount of contact and requests for assistance due to the coronavirus pandemic. I receive a large number of emails, letters and telephone calls each day and each piece of correspondence is dealt with in order of priority and then receipt. Some less urgent queries might take longer to respond to due to the situation.

218300 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Simon, 1, #563 of 2120 🔗

I’m in the constituency next door.

218310 ▶▶▶▶ Simon, replying to Liam, 1, #564 of 2120 🔗

Great, we could break the law and meet.

218320 ▶▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Simon, 1, #565 of 2120 🔗

Might well do that. Got to pop out for a while but I’ll give you a shout in the comments or forums later.

218341 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Simon, replying to Liam, #566 of 2120 🔗

If lockdown realy comes, then as soon as it’s illegal it will be funny.

218275 mari, replying to mari, 17, #567 of 2120 🔗

I make no apologies for repeating what i replied to someone here earlier, in the wake of how many times people have asked how we get out of this mess:
‘Who or what is going to stop it?’ someone asked.
We, the people. We need to stop being afraid of ‘consequences’, grow some balls, come together and say ‘No More’! Sadly, I cant see that happening yet, as generally, people can’t see further than their own circs, and I don’t blame them. But that is the only thing that’s going to stop this madness.
There is a tiny 1% controlling this BS, as opposed to the billions of people on this planet.
I think I can see a Way Out of this! Can anyone else?

218286 ▶▶ dommo, replying to mari, 3, #568 of 2120 🔗

prosecutions for gross negligence manslaughter

218319 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to dommo, 1, #569 of 2120 🔗

Prosecuted by whom?

218328 ▶▶▶▶ mari, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #570 of 2120 🔗

Us. When we stop playing victim and take back control.

218321 ▶▶▶ mari, replying to dommo, 3, #571 of 2120 🔗

That’s coming, my friend.

218336 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to mari, 3, #572 of 2120 🔗

Agree. Nothing will be effective, not all the court cases in the world, unless the people want it to stop, and want it enough to act as individuals, personally, and not leave it all to ‘somebody else’.

218344 ▶▶▶ mari, replying to Rosie, 6, #573 of 2120 🔗

Trouble is, a sizeable portion of the populace actually are enjoying their bloody slavery!

218355 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Rosie, #574 of 2120 🔗

Hi Rosie

From yesterday –

Rosie

8 hours ago

Reply to JohnB

No you need to engage your critical faculties and avoid falling into the trap of the false dichotomy. Things are not either right-or-wrong. Not either good-or-bad.

There can be a mixture, and other things as well.

Look at the actual facts and don’t reject/accept the whole as a bloc!

Reply

JohnB

2 hours ago

Reply to Rosie

Correctly describing people as ‘opponents’ falls into exactly which right/wrong trap, Rosie ?

I could hardly sleep last night. 🙂 Was I unclear ?

218592 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to JohnB, 1, #575 of 2120 🔗

I didn’t see this.

To answer your question as sensibly as I can – Johnson etc are definitely our opponents.

People here are on our side.

The trap is labelling all the other people. Until you talk to them you don’t know where they stand on lockdown. Furthermore, individuals are not ‘monolithic’ nor ‘mechanistic’. They might be hellish on lockdown but lovely on other things. It’s not straight forward. We need to treat them as human (not necessarily as our friend) until forced to admit that they have crossed a line.

Any use?

218795 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Rosie, #576 of 2120 🔗

When I posted ‘5G opponents’ (i.e. opponents of 5G), I was suggesting the previous poster should use that neutral description, rather than ‘5G conspiracy theorists’.

I’m quite clear that Johnson et al are the enemy. And that 99% of people here are on our side.

Just wondered where the false dichotomy right/wrong stuff came from. 🙂

218282 chaos, replying to chaos, 5, #577 of 2120 🔗

Any liklihood or signs anyone is going to stop this Davos Bojo coup?

218308 ▶▶ mari, replying to chaos, 3, #578 of 2120 🔗

See my ‘We are’ post.

218309 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to chaos, 3, #579 of 2120 🔗

I said “Somebody should do something about that.” Then I realized I am somebody. (Quote attributed to various people). MW

218317 ▶▶▶ mari, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 2, #580 of 2120 🔗

Correct!

218285 Liam, replying to Liam, 29, #581 of 2120 🔗

The BBC has to die. If you are still paying your license fee, stop. Do it now. Do it before you next comment on here, before you make a cuppa or take the dog for a walk. Stop. Paying. Your. License. Fee.

218304 ▶▶ mari, replying to Liam, 8, #582 of 2120 🔗

We cancelled ours two hours ago when we heard about the ‘remove their poppies’ tv fiasco. One of the last straws.

218326 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to mari, 4, #583 of 2120 🔗

Good.

218436 ▶▶▶ Winter, replying to mari, #584 of 2120 🔗

Like an idiot I paid my yearly subscription up front in September. I’ll have to wait another 10 months before I can be subversive on that score.

218832 ▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Winter, 2, #585 of 2120 🔗

I believe you will get a rebate. We did when we cancelled. Nice cheque from Capita.

219019 ▶▶▶▶▶ Winter, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, #586 of 2120 🔗

I didn’t know you could do that. I’ll investigate!

219590 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Winter, #587 of 2120 🔗

It happened automatically for us.

218331 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to Liam, 3, #588 of 2120 🔗

did it 6 weeks ago, feel better every day, waiting for them to come to see me. They can knock as much as they want

218364 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Iansn, 4, #589 of 2120 🔗

They won’t come. 🙁 I’ve been hoping for a visit for over 10 years. 🙁 🙁

218333 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Liam, -1, #590 of 2120 🔗

It’s a baby and bathwater issue. For many of us, the beyond-redemption News and Current Affairs output is a minor matter that can be ignored with the tuning button.

Given that element needs re-structuring, full-blown commercialism isn’t an answer – it actually narrows choice and tends towards uniform sameness and the lowest common denominator.

I prefer choice and variety as a criterion, even if it has its downside.

218349 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 2, #591 of 2120 🔗

Maybe, but BBC news and current affairs enjoys a disproportionate position of trust and reach for historical reasons

218377 ▶▶▶▶ mari, replying to Julian, 2, #592 of 2120 🔗

Yep, but that’s rapidly fading

218400 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 2, #593 of 2120 🔗

You’re right – as does the ‘Times’, say. And even Ch 4 news, which used to cut across the grain has become remarkably ‘establishment’.

I’m afraid we can’t dodge this in the short term, except by pointing out the fallacies. But cutting off nose to spite the face isn’t going to alter that sad state of out propagandised media.

218407 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 2, #594 of 2120 🔗

The only possible behaviour for a “national broadcaster” is to brainwash people into thinking the way the government/establishment that control and staff it want them to think. And that goes way beyond News & Current Affairs, Entertainment has been in full brainwashing mode for generations now.

And sure enough, that’s exactly what the BBC has been doing pretty much throughout its existence.

Sell off the BBC, and force it to properly justify its existence, to choose between staying woke and going broke or moving back towards the real world.

218374 ▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Liam, 2, #595 of 2120 🔗

Ditched in August, Don’t miss it.

218961 ▶▶ John P, replying to Liam, #596 of 2120 🔗

Stopped paying it in April.

218289 Les Tricoteuses, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 14, #597 of 2120 🔗

I am reminded of the tale of King Theoden from The Lord of the Rings

Théoden had grown weak with dispair, and was controlled by his chief advisor Wormtongue, who was secretly in the employ of the evil wizard Saruman. Wormtongue dripped poison in his ear and the kingdom fell to ruin. Finally with the help of friends he was able to see the truth about Wormtongue, cast off the his lethargy and lead his people to freedom.

So Boris what’s it to be? Are you like Théoden, will you wake up or will you go down in history as the worst prime minister we have EVER had?

218392 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 5, #598 of 2120 🔗

The Lord of the RIngs provides us with understanding and insight and inspiration. In this case, I believe Boris has fallen and there is no way back for him now. He’s been in it for too long, bought into the ‘climate change’ shiite years ago.
‘The mouth of Sauron’ is an apt description for Hancock – Boris I think is closer to a Saruman himself.

218416 ▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Rosie, 3, #599 of 2120 🔗

Is he that evil though? For make no mistake these policies are evil and that is not a word I use lightly.

218424 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 4, #600 of 2120 🔗

The forces of evil can use any human being that consents to their operation.
C.S. Lewis has some wise insights about the social forces that can cozen men into ‘doing very bad things before they are, individually, very bad men’. See his essay ‘The Inner Ring’ and the novel That Hideous Strength .

218445 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to annie, 4, #601 of 2120 🔗

Thanks,
The forces of evil can use any human being that consents to their operation.
. … the social forces that can cozen men into ‘doing very bad things before they are, individually, very bad men’.

As you say, wise words guiding us today.
By the way, some years ago, I had a drink in the same corner of the Oxford pub where The Inklings used to meet, and looked around Tolkein’s old rooms. Privileged me.

218432 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 1, #602 of 2120 🔗

Yes, the policies are evil, and the Peruvian lady I spoke with earlier was entirely in agreement, in using that word I was expressing her thoughts for her. But with zealots, using that word wouldn’t be helpful.

The policies are evil, so much so, that the man must also be so, IMO.

“Actions speak louder than words”
“By their fruit shall ye know them”

As I say, he cannot be unaware of the real results of ‘climate change’ that wind turbines destroy life in massive quantities and will result in degrading poverty for us all. He’s too intelligent to be unaware. He used to be friendly with Piers Corbyn, who will have shown him the truth.

218443 ▶▶▶ mari, replying to Rosie, #603 of 2120 🔗

I doubt Hancock is Sauron, he’s not that bright, and Boris is defo being manipulated by Saruman.

218473 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to mari, 1, #604 of 2120 🔗

No, no, mari. Not Sauron but ‘ The Mouth of Sauron ‘.
I’ve no idea if that character is in the films as I only read the books – but ‘The Mouth of Sauron’ stands near the main gates into the top part (what’s that area called, now?) and speaks only what he is told to say by Sauron.

He has been doing his master’s bidding for so long that he has lost all of his own personality, to the extent that he has even forgotten his own name.

218292 RickH, 7, #605 of 2120 🔗

Just a shout-out for the full article on masks that is cited above. The graphs are really useful references for demonstrating the nature of the myth :

https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/29/these-12-graphs-show-mask-mandates-do-nothing-to-stop-covid/

218299 Crazy Hoarse, replying to Crazy Hoarse, 25, #606 of 2120 🔗

I was just doing my shopping earlier this afternoon and just at the exit a middle-aged muzzled gentleman talking to his middle-aged muzzled wife and he dropped his glasses. I said careful there you dropped your glasses, one of the lenses is out here it is. When I got back to the car it occurred to me how unusual the interaction felt as my hand touched his when I handed him his glasses, then a second time as I handed him the loose lens and he didn’t react at all to a stranger making bodily contact with him except to thank me. What a wretched year this has been that for months people would leap out of the way when another human being came near them but just as it feels like normal behaviour is coming back into style we get another lockdown. Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in!

218325 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Crazy Hoarse, 15, #607 of 2120 🔗

You’ve put your finger on the real rationale for this and associated measures.

No.It’s not just stupidity and cock-ups : the socio-psychological rational is pretty obvious to students of political history.

218337 ▶▶▶ mari, replying to RickH, 7, #608 of 2120 🔗

And anyone with a brain on active duty

218408 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to RickH, #609 of 2120 🔗

It’s not just stupidity and cock-ups : the socio-psychological rational is pretty obvious to students of political history.

Be grateful for a history lesson, Rick 🙂 Please.

219750 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Rosie, #610 of 2120 🔗

I’m not a historian of any sort, but I’d guess Germany in the 1930s as a starting point ?

218313 leggy, replying to leggy, 2, #611 of 2120 🔗

I saw a graph recently with cases (positive tests!) tracked above the axis and deaths below. I don’t remember where though. Can anyone point me to it please?

218585 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to leggy, 2, #612 of 2120 🔗

Ivor Cummins here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRbtGd70-Ow
about 3 minutes in.
[among other places, I’m sure]

218998 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to BTLnewbie, #613 of 2120 🔗

Thanks!

218316 OKUK, replying to OKUK, #614 of 2120 🔗

Just got my first “awaiting approval” notice here. Hope that’s not a sign of things to come.

218348 ▶▶ calchas, replying to OKUK, 3, #615 of 2120 🔗

Chill – its’s probably because it contained a link or links.

218358 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to calchas, 3, #616 of 2120 🔗

Nah, they’ve finally spotted OKUK is a WEF mole. 🙂

219536 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to JohnB, #617 of 2120 🔗

I think while criticising someone’s C Theory I used the phrase p__d sh_ll. That might have been it.

219746 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to OKUK, #618 of 2120 🔗

I doubt it. I’ve called several people much worse things than ‘paid shill’.

Several links is the usual culprit.

219569 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to JohnB, #619 of 2120 🔗

I’m up for a mole role if the billionaires want to reimburse me on the same sort of scale as their earnings!

218369 ▶▶ mari, replying to OKUK, #620 of 2120 🔗

I got that, its just routine stuff ‘newby’ stuff by the mods, checking you don’t have a ‘background’.

218370 ▶▶ mari, replying to OKUK, #621 of 2120 🔗

sorry, penny dropped, you’re not ‘new’.

218438 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to OKUK, #622 of 2120 🔗

Did you have a lot of links in your post? That can cause a hold-up…

218327 Poppy, replying to Poppy, 107, #623 of 2120 🔗

So Johnson says that ‘someone’s cough could be another person’s death knell’.

Well, someone’s comfortable champagne lockdown in their nice house with Amazon deliveries and Zoom meetings could be another person’s destroyed business, untreated cancer, ruined education, crushed mental health, devastating suicide.

218329 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Poppy, 44, #624 of 2120 🔗

I’d rather take my chances and be in the pub or at a gig, with a 99.95% survival rate I’m fairly confident I’ll be ok

218362 ▶▶▶ mari, replying to stefarm, 14, #625 of 2120 🔗

You’ll be fine because you will be living.

218519 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to mari, 4, #626 of 2120 🔗

Damn right!

218820 ▶▶▶ Jonathan M, replying to stefarm, 3, #627 of 2120 🔗

You’re absolutely right, but unfortunately the first thing they’ll do will be to close the pubs.
Can’t have the plebs enjoying themselves , you know.

219295 ▶▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Jonathan M, 4, #628 of 2120 🔗

Is there another reason for destroying the pub trade? Just wondering if all the land used to grow grain for lager and hops for beer needed to grow bio-fuels in the “new normal”.

Now where did I leave my tinfoil hat?

219737 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to charleyfarley, 3, #629 of 2120 🔗

They don’t need another reason. Free assembly is crucial to a functioning democracy, which is why the bastards will try very hard to extinguish it.

218365 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Poppy, 7, #630 of 2120 🔗

That’s obviously the party line, as that’s the response I got from my MP when I had the temerity to send an e-mail of complaint. Wish I’d thought of your response.

218393 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Poppy, 13, #631 of 2120 🔗

I think the pointed riposte is something along the lines of – ‘But you’re not worried about the many more people needlessly having their lives shortened by cancer or heart attacks, because you are preventing them from getting treatment?’

… but it’s difficult to see any interviewer taking up that line of questioning. They could end up like a few million others and lose their job.

218581 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Poppy, 11, #632 of 2120 🔗

if i cough and spread the cold it’s not my fault and if anyone thinks it is then life can never go back to how it should be. With that attitude we must forever be locked down and masked. It’s a little unreasonable i feel.

219382 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Biker, 1, #633 of 2120 🔗

Way more than a little unreasonable, it’s downright stupid.

218335 chaos, replying to chaos, 22, #634 of 2120 🔗

If Biden wins we are really in the shit.

218366 ▶▶ mari, replying to chaos, 3, #635 of 2120 🔗

Don’t worry, he wont. Too much corruption in the family.

218417 ▶▶ RickH, replying to chaos, -2, #636 of 2120 🔗

Get real – the US is in the shit whether it’s Biden or Trump.The latter is no hero, even if, like the proverbial stopped clock, he got it right (eventually) over Covid. But if the Democrats had gone the other way, he would be calling for lockdown and more injection of Dettol.

218440 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to chaos, 1, #637 of 2120 🔗

Indeed…

218372 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 2, #638 of 2120 🔗

UKStasi Constabulary stand ready to enforce their paymaster’s will and the Borisian Diktat.

They are at war and the enemy is you.

218387 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Stuart, 3, #639 of 2120 🔗

Don’t allow this to happen. It’s super important that the British people and the British bobby stay on the same side. Policing by consent. Citizens in uniform.
Don’t allow the psyops to get to you. They want to you feel that way and to create division and hatred. Don’t do their dirty work for them, please!

218376 Rosie, replying to Rosie, 38, #640 of 2120 🔗

Just back from a demo, mostly StandupX but others as well. Local demo in South London, with perhaps 120 people.
On the plus side, it was good humoured, the leaders were chatting away with the local bobbies.

Minus side:
(a) bobbies all masked up outside. This is wrong.

(b) Nobody except myself was trying to engage with passers by. I have no idea why it was only me.

This is what happened:

* Long chat with lady of Peruvian origin. She was questioning and gradually came to be able to agree with me that lockdown is worse than the disease. She’s struggling domestically and said, “I can’t do anything.” More conversation and she agreed that she’ll get involved by coming here and translating things from English to Spanish, make available for us all to forward to our contacts. She might, she might not – but if, say, 10 such people were asked, 2 of them might, and that would be a BIG step forward.

If we don’t ask, we don’t get – so ask.

* Chat with a person who came on the march, she said that she’s not up for speaking to people today, but at least she’s here. Exactly, clap clap. But she watched me talk to passers by and was definitely inspired.

*Tried to talk to a zealot. ‘No, it’s rubbish that masks limit oxygen supply’ (the propaganda has clearly come down strongly on that issue). Next time I’ll try fibres and he might as well wear asbestos and give himself lung cancer that way.

By now I’ve found the best line of approach, ” Good afternoon (with cheery smile). It’s perfectly safe. You can take it off.” Body language suggested many were receptive/did hear me even if didn’t stop. Just remember – propaganda is made by repetition, and to counter propaganda we need to repeat as well.

  • Used this line on a young couple. They did so. Man asked what was going on. When he found out he rushed off home to drop off his bags and then joined the demo. Young woman a primary school teacher. Reported that the children swap masks “which is so dangerous!” But much more hesitant. So many people dying! I explained that fewer people are dying than usual – but the news reports! – they aren’t telling you the truth – but the hospitals are overflowing – I said no, people that go and look say they’re empty. She said she’s got some friends who are nurses and she’ll ask them.

Then she tried the line on me that “I’ll be upset when someone I know dies of covid.” I got genuinely upset at this point, replying that two of my friends had committed suicide. She very apologetic. She nearly plucked up the courage to give me a hug, but was saying we should stand a metre apart. I explained that nothing had changed from a year ago, etc. It made her think. And what about all those people losing their jobs, they matter too.

She also had been influenced by propaganda that antilockdowners are horrible people, and commented with great surprise that I seem really nice (thanks if you’re reading this 😉 ) so that’s another thing, match the person you address with your mood. I was able to be calm and gentle in my approach today, which was a better way. Also recommend that ladies wear a skirt and make a bit of an effort to look feminine.
One of the men was smartly dressed and I thought that was a good look, to have a good mixture of different styles.

218386 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Rosie, 11, #641 of 2120 🔗

Rosie – your empathy is great. Much better than simply dismissing everyone who’s bee brainwashed as ‘stupid’.

218404 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to RickH, 9, #642 of 2120 🔗

Thanks RIck. I used to be brainwashed myself on many topics. It’s not hard. I even know people who have been campaigning for years on ‘climate change’ and yet who have fallen for corona-scam hook, line and sinker. It depends on your personal profile, the deep parts of the human nervous system, not only on one’s intellect.

Listening and talking one person by one person has to be the way this is done, if it’s going to happen. Us to them, one by one.

Please everyone get out there.

218517 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Rosie, 1, #643 of 2120 🔗

In person takes more time, but it’s much more effective in the long run.

218446 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Rosie, 3, #644 of 2120 🔗

Well done!

218459 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Carrie, 1, #645 of 2120 🔗

Thank you 🙂

218475 ▶▶ Sceptic down south, replying to Rosie, 1, #646 of 2120 🔗

Rosie,

What part of South London was it?

218527 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Sceptic down south, 1, #647 of 2120 🔗

Crystal Palace

218626 ▶▶▶▶ Sceptic down south, replying to Rosie, 2, #648 of 2120 🔗

Rosie, thanks… There seem to be more localised / regional events happening regularly, away from city centres; it would be good if there were ways of finding out more about them in advance.

218749 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Sceptic down south, 1, #649 of 2120 🔗

I asked about info – and the two places to go (as well as here) are the forums of ‘Keep Britain Free’ and StandupX.

219526 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sceptic down south, replying to Rosie, -1, #650 of 2120 🔗

Many thx for that, now bookmarked

218504 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Rosie, 3, #651 of 2120 🔗

I’ll be upset when someone I know dies of covid – strange. People are dying of cancer, heart disease etc all with covid based on a pcr test that is more of a surprise if it returns a negative result. Brainwashing really is working.

218382 The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 9, #652 of 2120 🔗

Ahead of the Fat Clown and his weird sidekicks Unballanced and Witless’ announcement at 4pm, remember the following:

Rise like lions after slumber in unvanquishable number
Shake your chains to earth like dew
Which in sleep had fallen on you
YE are many, THEY are few

Percy Bysshe Shelley

218388 Adam, replying to Adam, 1, #653 of 2120 🔗
218454 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Adam, #654 of 2120 🔗

Interesting! I like the picture of Boris in prison scrubs..

218858 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Carrie, #655 of 2120 🔗

He would look like a big bag of shit.

218391 Voz 0db, 3, #656 of 2120 🔗

The following is what happens when you use a lab technique that IS NOT A TEST and start to massively infect people with influenza virus via vaccination… (data for Portugal)

I call it the PANDEMIC OF SNOT SAMPLES !

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218394 Lowe, replying to Lowe, 4, #657 of 2120 🔗

I came across this link: https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1321532527958466560 showing an Oregon health official reading the latest numbers of Covid “cases” and deaths while dressed as a clown before putting on a mask, supposedly to encourage safety at Halloween celebrations.
She reported that Oregon had 390 “new cases” that day, 38160 “cases” in total, “sadly we are also reporting three deaths today” and in total 608 Covid-“related”(!) deaths.
But Oregon has a population of about 4.2m. It might expect about 39,000 deaths per year; 107 deaths per day; 25,000 deaths since the beginning of March. So “sadly” three Covid-“related” deaths that day – and perhaps 104 other deaths no one cares about…
Dressing as a clown does seem appropriate after all. SAGE members please take note!

Meanwhile, talking to some local market traders this morning, not one wants this madness to continue any longer. One even expressed the view that “Whitty and Ferguson should be strung up”! Amazing that ordinary people are talking like this.

218512 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Lowe, 1, #658 of 2120 🔗

This shows how disgusting the mentality has become. Publicly announcing deaths, real ives with bereaved families, whilst making a satirical “joke”.

218395 nocheesegromit, replying to nocheesegromit, 3, #659 of 2120 🔗

I am clinging onto hope that it isn’t a full lockdown announcement because a. the Brothers Grimm are there and b. 5pm on a Saturday (on Halloween no less) isn’t a great time to announce.

218460 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to nocheesegromit, 4, #660 of 2120 🔗

It is surely political suicide, after the promise to let Parliament vote on new measures..

218464 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Carrie, 2, #661 of 2120 🔗

Ah yes, but it was only promised “if possible”.

218636 ▶▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #662 of 2120 🔗

and of course the “leak” meant it wasn’t possible…

218502 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to nocheesegromit, 2, #663 of 2120 🔗

There will probably be Graphs of Doom and Models of Despair. Heavy hearts and much wringing of hands. Talk about poor Granny all alone at Christmas, or if she’s unlucky (lucky?) killed instead by our thoughtlessness and disobedience. Surges, spikes, exponentially growing and rapidly accelerating tsunamis. Overwhelmed hospitals with people dying in the car parks accompanied by weeping nurses. We MUST come together (apart) to protect our NHS.

Then a day off tomorrow before the announcement on Monday.

218397 david m, replying to david m, 14, #664 of 2120 🔗

I wrote this to my MP:

Please vote NO to another national lockdown

Dear MP,

I am disappointed that the government appears to be about to announce another national lockdown and without any real debate or detailed scrutiny from MP’s. The selective leaking of Sage reports looks to be aimed at preparing the way for this. These Sage reports appear to me to be incomplete, outdated, and unconvincing. The assumption of an Infection Fatality Rate of 0.7% can be challenged as the WHO have suggested it is 0.3%. The assumption that 66% of those infected show symptoms can also be challenged as a recent UK sample suggested it is 33%. Either of those would reduce this worst-case scenario by between 50% and 57%. Other calculations, assumptions, and models used by Sage have been missing from what has been leaked. These should all be declared and then properly scrutinised by MP’s and the public.

The ONS data clearly shows significant excess deaths in the nine weeks from 30 March to 31 May, but does not show this for the weeks since then up to 16 October. From NHS England data, in our region 95% of the Covid deaths were prior to mid-June, and at our local hospital trust 98% of the Covid deaths are prior to mid-June with only a handful since. Things have worsened since August but I’m not convinced we are going to see anything like the Sage scenario this winter.

A new national lockdown will only delay the progress of the virus. Neither a vaccine, nor a perfect test and trace process, are likely to be available in the next few weeks or months. It is not sustainable to stay in lockdown until these solutions are available, if they ever are available. I think the public will increasingly struggle to accept an endless lockdown that destroys their way of life and their economy. Younger generations will especially struggle to accept this when so few of those under 45 are likely to die from Covid. From the ONS data, excess deaths in 2020 compared to 2019 show only 172 deaths for those under 45 out of 61,828 for all ages.

We cannot afford further damage to our economy, to other healthcare outcomes, or to our children’s education. We should have only minimal further general restrictions. Those most at risk, with specific conditions, or in care homes, should be advised of the risks to them and/or should be shielded, Those not at high risk should be free to decide what additional precautions they wish to take and be able to get on with their lives as they wish.

I would like to see:

1. No new lockdown.
2. Schools stay open.
3. Shops stay open.
4. Minimal additional restrictions, e.g. curfews, and preferably localised only.
5. Parliament to properly debate and scrutinise any changes.

I hope you can agree with me and can act to prevail upon the government to stop another lockdown.

218506 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to david m, 1, #665 of 2120 🔗

This is an excellent letter David.

Would you mind if I took a copy of this to send to my MP please?

218398 Cecil B, #666 of 2120 🔗

If it saves just one life it will have been worth it

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-54735347

218399 swedenborg, 4, #667 of 2120 🔗

Lockdowns is supposed to save lives from C-19 and reduce the spread. Lockdowns increase C-19 deaths. New York City and Peru is the best examples. Locking in a vast amount of infected people in their home is the best way of infecting more people. Already now ,the majority of transmissions are in households. Multigenerational households are poorer and will have more deaths. Apart from increasing C-19 deaths there will be additional inevitable side effect deaths of lockdowns. So more deaths but what about slowing the spread? There still will be essential workers out and this time schools and universities will be open. But is there any evidence that the spread will be reduced with “deep freezing” persons mobility? Not much evidence if you look at the curves in the spring wave. Non lockdown Haiti/Egypt/Pakistan going up and down just like the lockdown countries. And we have now massive evidence that the spread will start again when the lockdown ends even if you believe in “deep freeze”. Years of planning for the coming new flu pandemic produced detailed documents of handling a new flu pandemic. All epidemiologists agreed to the new WHO guidelines from 2019.Everything done today, lockdown, quarantine, border closure, test and tracking etc are not in the guidelines when the  virus has reached a certain minimal level. What makes C-19, another respiratory virus, different from a new pandemic flu strain?

218401 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 24, #668 of 2120 🔗

Mahyar Tousi just tweeted:

‘I hear Tory rebels are furious and going into Downing Street to fight back against lockdown 2.0’

218431 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Basileus, 1, #669 of 2120 🔗

..which means that it IS lockdown 2.0 that is going to be announced…

218449 ▶▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to Carrie, 7, #670 of 2120 🔗

They can announce whatever they want. Nobody has to comply.

218453 ▶▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 3, #671 of 2120 🔗

unless you are a business

218456 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Iansn, 4, #672 of 2120 🔗

though I don’t understand why more businesses do not follow the example of the gyms. Any thoughts?

218484 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Rosie, 2, #673 of 2120 🔗

probably due to bent coppers being hand in glove with organised crime gym owners – all very “line of duty”

218491 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Rosie, 2, #674 of 2120 🔗

Cancel culture is probably high on the list. It’s one of the drivers of this whole situation. I think many are afraid of loosing even more customers by siding with us granny murderers, oh and Trump too

218492 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nottingham69, replying to Rosie, #675 of 2120 🔗

They did in March. Much construction and engineering was back open very quickly. Some retail did as well bending rules but not enough.

218478 ▶▶▶▶▶ alw, replying to Iansn, 4, #676 of 2120 🔗

Businesses need to stand shoulder to shoulder and ignore regs and the public must support them. This is the only way we can win.

218510 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ mari, replying to alw, 3, #677 of 2120 🔗

Indeed! Look what happened to the Gym owner in (Liverpool? cant remember) Anyway, his clients coughed up his fine for staying open. Made the msm, too. Thats the WTG, folks!

218410 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 3, #678 of 2120 🔗

Just switched on transmission from Dresden demo.
Ralph Ludwig, solicitor, speaking at the moment. He is a main person in Querdenken and a great speaker.
He just mentioned that the Austrian court has declared some of the C rules are against the constitution.
Mandatory mask wearing in public buildings (I think this mostly applies to gov buildings), closing of hospitality businesses and limit on numbers in restaurants (only groups up to 4). I linked a video yesterday very late.

218421 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Silke David, #679 of 2120 🔗

Silke, what are the actual German words for solicitor, barrister, and judge – and how similar are their roles to the English equivalents, please?

218430 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Silke David, 1, #680 of 2120 🔗

Will there be consequences (eg. change in policy, abandoned rules) as a result of the Austrian court ruling?

218442 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Carrie, #681 of 2120 🔗

I guess one has to wait, they only decided late on friday.

218496 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Carrie, 1, #682 of 2120 🔗

Searched for the video, linked above, saw newer videos apparently Austria is going for a 2nd “Lockdown”, but schools, shops, personal services (with more restrictions (stay open, but a curfew from 8pm to 6am. No parties, only 6 people in home visits from 2 different families.
Hotels have to close, theatres, cinemas, etc. Restaurants only take away service.
All this for about 4 weeks.

218462 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Silke David, #683 of 2120 🔗

Forgot to say the court decided the minister for health did not base his decision on any written evidence that the measures would be useful. At least that is how I understood it.
https://youtu.be/KIM6LYC2Lh0

218415 Jay Berger, 14, #684 of 2120 🔗

He should adopt the policies of GBD and ditch the mask mandate and his current advisers/panic mongerers instead.
At worst, he’ll get the same trajectory of already inflated projected infections and deaths as he would get otherwise.
More likely, he’ll even get a much better outcome.l- see Sweden’s 2nd wave numbers, in particular very few deaths.
He’ll be a hero and will decimate Labour for a decade.
You don’t become a hero by imitating what all the fools around you are doing, to poor results.
You can only become a hero if you
go against the grain at an inflection
point.
See Tegnell, or Churchill.
This is his last chance.

218420 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 14, #685 of 2120 🔗

Wondering why the BBC hasn’t done a hatchet job on this website yet but then realised it’s because the arguments on here are generally intelligent, well reasoned and persuasive. They’re probably worried if they draw attention to it they’ll be shooting themselves in the foot.

218427 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Achilles, 3, #686 of 2120 🔗

True!

218470 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Achilles, #687 of 2120 🔗

yeah i’ve yet to see a zealot come on and win an argument.

218501 ▶▶ mari, replying to Achilles, #688 of 2120 🔗

You can bet your life on it!

218426 swedenborg, 3, #689 of 2120 🔗

This is the article referred to in today’s update.People might have never been exposed to Sars-Cov2 but have antibodies to parts of the antigens.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.10.05.20206664v6

Antibody reactivity against SARS-CoV-2 in adults from the Vancouver metropolitan area, Canada A substantial proportion of individuals showed low, but detectable antibody reactivity against SARS-CoV-2 antigens in this population despite a low evidence of direct SARS-CoV-2 exposure.

218429 chaos, replying to chaos, 10, #690 of 2120 🔗

Kim Jong sun and the Conmunist party.

Still we must be getting somewhere. More know about the great reset. More think it is a fuck up. Both wish they had never voted for the Telegraph Eton turd. And as time progresses.. sceptics will increase in number. Heck, it took James and Toby 7 months to cotton on to The Great reset.. took my +70 year old mum 6 months.. still lots of sheeple.. but furlough ends today.

218448 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to chaos, 2, #691 of 2120 🔗

Problem with the vote was it was the Eton Turd versus the Inslington Turd. Can you imagine where we would be if by chance Corbyn had made it. Jesus H Christ….

218452 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Iansn, 10, #692 of 2120 🔗

I argued at the time that it would make no difference. I now think that Corbyn might have been slightly less bad.

218480 ▶▶▶▶ Nottingham69, replying to Rosie, 5, #693 of 2120 🔗

I agree. McDonnell is a loose cannon, could have been a sceptic with power.

219605 ▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Rosie, 1, #694 of 2120 🔗

I now feel that too Rosie. I am AMAZED I just wrote that short sentence. But de Piffle is the worst since Walpole.

218469 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Iansn, 4, #695 of 2120 🔗

How could it have been worse? It all hinges on whether Davos could have bought Corbyn. Despite all his failings.. was that likely?

218495 ▶▶▶▶ mari, replying to chaos, 6, #696 of 2120 🔗

Corbyn had to go because he couldn’t be bought by Davos or any man. Free thinkers are anathema in politics.

218621 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to chaos, 3, #697 of 2120 🔗

TBH I’m not sure whether they would have needed to buy him, Corbyn seems like a decent guy, but totally outmatched in the political arena. Every major crime, terror attack, what did he say or do? “don’t be critical online… please don’t make mean & nasty comments online… don’t say mean things to people…” Most times I saw him speak he was pretty non-committal and looked like he could be walked all over, if it came to it.

219617 ▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to chaos, #698 of 2120 🔗

That’s the key question. I doubt they could have bought him more than they did de Piffle. BUT; we would then have had the Corbyn government spending and borrowing like you can’t believe…..oh, but wait 😂 🦙

218468 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to chaos, 4, #699 of 2120 🔗

Toby has known about the great reset long before he’s let on. He is strategically trying to remain credible by not espousing it. I can’t blame him as it still allows him a mainstream platform.

218515 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to JHuntz, 2, #700 of 2120 🔗

He also used the argument that going full-conspiracy theory was making people apathetic and hopeless. He was right, but now things have changed.

218511 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to chaos, 2, #701 of 2120 🔗

James has cottoned on, but has Toby?

218434 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 10, #702 of 2120 🔗

Majid Nawaz running rings around Prof Scanlon (? can’t quite catch name)) of independent SAGE on LBC. It’s a delight! Currently skewering him on the point that projected fall in GDP from lockdowns will cost more lives than Cov. Naturally he is refusing to give any answers! Generally avoid LBC these days, but try to tune it to Majjid to hear is exquisitely argued sceptical arguments.

218488 ▶▶ mari, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #703 of 2120 🔗

Talk Radio is better. Julia Hartley-Brewer is a killer interviewer and Mike Graham is brilliant – like a little rottweiler

218503 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to mari, #704 of 2120 🔗

Yes, that’s my usual station. But I stand by my point.

218533 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to mari, #705 of 2120 🔗

I hope they will survive – according to a recent tweet by Julia, they’re apparently all going to be sent on some diversity training course..

219628 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to mari, #706 of 2120 🔗

Dan Wootton and Kev O’Sullivan especially are great sceptics too.

218450 chaos, replying to chaos, 8, #707 of 2120 🔗

Imagine a real reset.
House prices taken back to say 5 x average salary.
Industries restored or begun e.g. bicycle manufacture and LCD panels..
Clothing and shoe production returned…

Expecting a bit much eh?

218472 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to chaos, 10, #708 of 2120 🔗

When the real reset is put into action house prices will be the least concern… And you’ll only be able to rent a house. Slaves will never own anything again.

218509 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to chaos, 4, #709 of 2120 🔗

If it was good why isint Johnson and friends telling us all about it, they’re full of it, when they think they’re on a roll.

219718 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to chaos, #710 of 2120 🔗

& agriculture !

218457 The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 15, #711 of 2120 🔗

To be honest, I don’t think that the planned second locky goes far enough. I think we should all be mandated to only leave the house if we’ve a dog chain that can be attached to a police officer. Also, in order to save lives, I think that it should be made compulsory to hit yourself over the head with a sledgehammer twice a day. Think about your community and not just yourself. We need to beat the virus and stop exponential growth.

218461 Voz 0db, 6, #712 of 2120 🔗

My dear fellow modern slaves… The “leading experts” (part of the same gang promoting OPERATION COVID) and that work for the SRF & Billionaires are already creating the conditions for the next OPERATION.

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So either go for the Head or just EMBRACE the new slavery, if you are one of the selects not to be slaughtered…

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218463 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #713 of 2120 🔗

Could someone who has emailed their MP this weekend re. the second lockdown kindly paste some sections for me to copy please?

I want to send something but just don’t have time to compose it today and tomorrow will probably be too late.

218486 ▶▶ Simon, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #714 of 2120 🔗

It’s not the content that’s so important, but the quantity of them. Remind them you won’t vote for them if they continue the way they have.

218497 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Simon, 1, #715 of 2120 🔗

They need to be reminded of their constitutional, moral and legal duty.
When the German legal proceedings get under way properly we will be able to remind them that if they fail to do so they could find themselves at The Hague defending themselves from charges of crimes against humanity.

218487 ▶▶ david m, replying to A. Contrarian, 6, #716 of 2120 🔗

Please vote NO to another national lockdown

Dear MP,

I am disappointed that the government appears to be about to announce another national lockdown and without any real debate or detailed scrutiny from MP’s. The selective leaking of Sage reports looks to be aimed at preparing the way for this. These Sage reports appear to me to be incomplete, outdated, and unconvincing. The assumption of an Infection Fatality Rate of 0.7% can be challenged as the WHO have suggested it is 0.3%. The assumption that 66% of those infected show symptoms can also be challenged as a recent UK sample suggested it is 33%. Either of those would reduce this worst-case scenario by between 50% and 57%. Other calculations, assumptions, and models used by Sage have been missing from what has been leaked. These should all be declared and then properly scrutinised by MP’s and the public.

The ONS data clearly shows significant excess deaths in the nine weeks from 30 March to 31 May, but does not show this for the weeks since then up to 16 October. From NHS England data, in our region 95% of the Covid deaths were prior to mid-June, and at our local hospital trust 98% of the Covid deaths are prior to mid-June with only a handful since. Things have worsened since August but I’m not convinced we are going to see anything like the Sage scenario this winter.

A new national lockdown will only delay the progress of the virus. Neither a vaccine, nor a perfect test and trace process, are likely to be available in the next few weeks or months. It is not sustainable to stay in lockdown until these solutions are available, if they ever are available. I think the public will increasingly struggle to accept an endless lockdown that destroys their way of life and their economy. Younger generations will especially struggle to accept this when so few of those under 45 are likely to die from Covid. From the ONS data, excess deaths in 2020 compared to 2019 show only 172 deaths for those under 45 out of 61,828 for all ages.

We cannot afford further damage to our economy, to other healthcare outcomes, or to our children’s education. We should have only minimal further general restrictions. Those most at risk, with specific conditions, or in care homes, should be advised of the risks to them and/or should be shielded, Those not at high risk should be free to decide what additional precautions they wish to take and be able to get on with their lives as they wish.

I would like to see:

1. No new lockdown.
2. Schools stay open.
3. Shops stay open.
4. Minimal additional restrictions, e.g. curfews, and preferably localised only.
5. Parliament to properly debate and scrutinise any changes.

I hope you can agree with me and can act to prevail upon the government to stop another lockdown.

218516 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to david m, #717 of 2120 🔗

David, thanks for this well put together. I would add point 6. An exit plan

218520 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to david m, #718 of 2120 🔗

Brilliant, thanks.

218691 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to david m, 1, #719 of 2120 🔗

Good stuff. NB anyone writing to their MP (or anyone else) about lockdowns should summarise their arguments in one line in the subject header (eg, ‘I strongly object to national lockdowns’). This way even if they delete the email without reading it, they cannot ignore the subject and if hundreds of such emails start coming through, they might take some notice.

218493 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to A. Contrarian, 5, #720 of 2120 🔗

“Dear (name)

Lockdowns destroy businesses and the economy. They cause massive increases in suicide and cancer deaths. More lockdowns will cause misery, poverty and dependency for the majority of your constituents.

Lockdowns cannot stop colds, flu or covid-type illnesses which are normal during the winter months especially.

I expect you to act as on behalf of your constituents who voted you into Parliament to be their representative, and to campaign against and to vote against all restrictions.

Yours sincerely.”

address and phone number

218507 ▶▶ richmond, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #721 of 2120 🔗

Just write something short and from the heart. That’s my advice.

218482 Humanity First, replying to Humanity First, 9, #722 of 2120 🔗

That our governing class are ‘clowns/buffoons’ who have ‘panicked’ in their overwhelming desire to save every granny in the land, and are haplessly ‘misinterpreting’ the flea of covid as a world-devouring asteroid…is still the explanation preferred by ‘reasonable’ and ‘non-conspiracy theory’ folk???

Better in that case to be with the irrational, tin-foil hat wearing crowd…

218499 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Humanity First, #723 of 2120 🔗

Hope they’re panicking now……………

218500 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Humanity First, 5, #724 of 2120 🔗

That this is planned seems the only rational explanation

218513 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Humanity First, 9, #725 of 2120 🔗

Yes.

Go back one year and imagine you had forcast the events of 2020 to a group of ‘reasonable’ people.

“What, confined to our homes, being chased by police drones around the countryside, only allowed to stand six feet apart, paople in many countries forced to wear masks outside.

I bet you think we’re ruled by lizards don’t you”?

218528 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to calchas, 1, #726 of 2120 🔗

Remember this? Only 3 months ago – ‘we won’t need another lockdown’…

https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1322492787732975616/photo/1

218608 ▶▶▶ Hill Street Bluez, replying to calchas, 1, #727 of 2120 🔗

Speaking of which ‘They Live’ is scheduled tonight on Film 4. John Carpenter knew what was coming 😱

218525 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Humanity First, 3, #728 of 2120 🔗

If they had wanted to save anyone’s granny it would only have been so that they could sell her – but it’s a great line for manipulation. Their own political lives are the only lives that they ever worried about. They panicked in the face of the MSM and dodgy opinion polls screaming for action and they still fear what they perceive to be the majority view that every covid life must be ‘saved’.

I completely accept that proponents of the Great Reset will be milking all this for all it’s worth. I don’t know how many of those proponents might be wandering around the corridor of Westminster.

218542 ▶▶▶ Humanity First, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #729 of 2120 🔗

I think it is now quite clear that government have not been passive victims of the MSM, opinion polls, or the majority view…rather they have worked closely and strategically with the MSM and others to help create and maintain a 24/7 covid panic among the general population…

218563 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Humanity First, 1, #730 of 2120 🔗

Definitely not suggesting they are victims – passive or otherwise. I believe there was a discernible shift just before Lockdown 1 heralded by the hooha around mention of herd immunity, mounting press pressure and Macron’s sabre rattling. They didn’t have the backbone or integrity to try to beat this, so they joined them instead. No excuses. It’s like parenting – the job is to give those who depend on you what they need, rather than giving in to what they want just to be popular for 5 minutes and avoid a tantrum.

218483 swedenborg, 3, #731 of 2120 🔗

https://twitter.com/Covid19Crusher/status/1322489403051249664 “A chart by age group on the improvement in the US Case Fatality Rate since August 20, which fell from 3.2% to 1.4%. A 60% improvement overall but only 30% for the oldest. Source: US CDC
This is a remarkable improvement since such a short time period. Must be the same in the UK?

218494 Mark, replying to Mark, 3, #732 of 2120 🔗

Just a reminder of which is the big money, wealthy establishment side here:

Biden vastly outspends Trump in record-shattering presidential cycle
The former vice president’s campaign and the Democratic National Committee combined dished out $674 million to run ads, compared to $474 million by Trump’s re-election campaign and the Republican National Committee.
And pro-Biden and pro-Democratic super PACs and other outside groups outspent their pro-Trump and pro-GOP rivals $1.1 billion to $757 million .”

218508 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Mark, 1, #733 of 2120 🔗

I never understand election spending why can’t the taxpayer just give them £X million and that’s it. No donations/ backhanders/ grubby deals. I guess it’s all too complex for us simple plebs.

218518 ▶▶▶ mari, replying to JHuntz, 1, #734 of 2120 🔗

Its never worked that way, because the financial backers will have the power over the POTUS/PM to push nefarious policies that really have nothing at all to do with the good of all. Thats why nothing has changed for the better, anywhere in the world where money holds sway over everything.

218536 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to JHuntz, 1, #735 of 2120 🔗

Also the taxpayer already gives more than enough to politicians.
Argument is that all political funds should be voluntary and private decision, not taken by force by the govt.

218526 ▶▶ mari, replying to Mark, 2, #736 of 2120 🔗

No amount of money can hide corruption. He wont win.

218670 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to mari, 1, #737 of 2120 🔗

USA’s between a rock and a hard place. If Trump wins, all hell will break loose with rioting etc. If Biden wins, the Republicans will probably accuse them of fraud and there will be an acrimonious dispute over the results, which will result in more riots etc. Horrible situation.

219312 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Cranmer, #738 of 2120 🔗

That’s where you end up when one side (the left, in C20th/C21st US sphere terms) starts to call its routine political opponents not just wrong, but actually evil.

218514 PompeyJunglist, replying to PompeyJunglist, 10, #739 of 2120 🔗

The government’s control and coercion.

218537 ▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to PompeyJunglist, 1, #740 of 2120 🔗

Brilliant!

218539 ▶▶ mari, replying to PompeyJunglist, 2, #741 of 2120 🔗

Knee the bully in groin!

218540 ▶▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to mari, 1, #742 of 2120 🔗

I’d favour a heavy ashtray to the cranium. But while most of the Country is still happy to lick gravy off the floor, we’re screwed.

218578 ▶▶▶▶ mari, replying to PompeyJunglist, 1, #743 of 2120 🔗

Hahaha

218590 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to PompeyJunglist, 1, #744 of 2120 🔗

Well in PJ!!

219645 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to PompeyJunglist, #745 of 2120 🔗

That’s a cracker 👍🏼

218521 Verity Oran, replying to Verity Oran, 20, #746 of 2120 🔗

I really am losing all hope in and for humanity…. in the last week, I have had two bizarre encounters which make me more despondent than ever…….
I was packing groceries into my car in an outside car park, when I felt a hovering faceless presence near me. Turns out the masked woman wanted to put groceries into her car which was next to mine, but was too afraid of my mask free face to start doing so until I got into my car and drove off.

Second encounter: someone in my local village tested positive and was feeling too ill (no worse than flu they said) to walk their dog for a few days. So I offered to walk the dog. Collected the dog, by using my own key, to open the front door to a hallway area, call the dog to the door and pick up a lead near the door and then shut the door. At no stage, do I enter the house or even see or talk to the sick person. Anyway, whilst out walking, the dog runs up to someone from the village to greet them and the person knows who the dog belongs to and actually takes a step back from the dog and says “No Fido, I cant pet you today”
Now, I am told that there is a story going around the village that as I have been in contact with a positive person I should be self isolating for 14 days.

If this is the level of critical thinking out there then we are all doomed……….

218534 ▶▶ mari, replying to Verity Oran, 7, #747 of 2120 🔗

my friend, their paranoia has really nothing to do with you. Please leave them to their ignorance and do not obey their ‘go into isolation’ bayings. You know better than that.

218543 ▶▶▶ Verity Oran, replying to mari, 8, #748 of 2120 🔗

Thanks mari, I have no intention of isolating, I just despair that people cant seem to think for themselves anymore.

218564 ▶▶▶▶ mari, replying to Verity Oran, 4, #749 of 2120 🔗

When things get really bad, that will wake some of them up, and maybe some of them will come to you for guidance or support. (you’ll have a pretty hard time keeping the ‘I told you so’ smirk, off your face, then lol!)

218570 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Verity Oran, 2, #750 of 2120 🔗

Leaflets will be available soon for you to hand out, Verity. Come here for your friends. Sending hugs, as real as if possible!

218601 ▶▶▶▶▶ Verity Oran, replying to Rosie, 3, #751 of 2120 🔗

Thanks Rosie. This site is a lifesaver. I don’t often post, but I do visit nearly every day!

218575 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to mari, 2, #752 of 2120 🔗

You gotta laugh. Honestly, the Two Ronnies couldn’t do better than your numpties.

218664 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Verity Oran, 5, #753 of 2120 🔗

I had to laugh today. Out walking in a narrow footpath with hedges on either side. A couple who looked like second-homers from the city were walking towards me. Fully masked of course. They stopped, pushed their bodies into the hedge and faced away from me while I walked past. They pretended they were admiring the view through the hedge but I knew what they were up to! I was VERY tempted to have a coughing fit near them, but instead said a cheery ‘good afternoon’ and slowed my pace to a crawl as I walked past!

218673 ▶▶▶ Verity Oran, replying to Cranmer, 1, #754 of 2120 🔗

As you say, you have to laugh, sometimes I am not sure whether to feel outraged by these people or sorry for them that they are so fearful!

218738 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Cranmer, #755 of 2120 🔗

Good afternoon 🙂
The virus isn’t dangerous
There’s no need to wear a mask

218711 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Verity Oran, 1, #756 of 2120 🔗

I really hope that you packed these groceries extra slowly!

219653 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Verity Oran, #757 of 2120 🔗

First scenario made me chuckle. If you smoke, Verity, pause for a ciggie before getting into your car and driving away. 🙂

219673 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Verity Oran, 1, #758 of 2120 🔗

Yesterday we went out for a meal in our local town. Walking on the way from the car park there was quite a strong wind blowing, raining. a reasonable throng of people in the town centre. Then a slim, apparently fit, young woman ( mid twenties max) turned a corner , within a couple of yards though, and looked at us non-maskers with such fear and horror…It was so weird. Mr and Mrs Ll-Rex couldn’t help bursting into laughter.
WTF does she believe her risk exposure is at her age/profile, in those conditions, at this post-pandemic time? Then it dawned on me that the gap between the brainwashed and the rest of us is huge. MiniTrue PsyOps unit have done a great job.

218522 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 9, #759 of 2120 🔗

https://twitter.com/ColleenHuberNMD/status/1318967763587641344 “ResearchGate’s excuse for censoring our paper on hazards of masks.Apparently, the public must be protected from the data contained in the several dozen peer-reviewed studies that we cited, as well as our summary and conclusions from them.”
 This is censorship. There is no evidence based studies(RCT) that proves masks work.

218538 ▶▶ calchas, replying to swedenborg, 7, #760 of 2120 🔗

“There is no evidence based studies(RCT) that proves masks work.”

I have to disagree. Empirical evidence is conclusive that masks help to rob people of their sense of individuality and inculcate subservience.

In an industry questionnaire 9 out of 10 elites said they preferred to use masks to manage their underlings.

219643 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to calchas, #761 of 2120 🔗

🙂

218555 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to swedenborg, 2, #762 of 2120 🔗

This decision is just showing political bias, nothing to do with science

218523 Mrs issedoff, replying to Mrs issedoff, 36, #763 of 2120 🔗

I have just been to the supermarket and had the worst experience since all the mask crap started. So much for people waking up, not near me they aren’t. I have never had so many people stare, give me daggers and jump out of the way. One woman with a youngster muzzled up, I heard her say in an over loud voice, “what?, she isn’t wearing a mask”. Children aren’t taught manners these days (sorry for the generalisation). I went to the checkout and it was a young woman without a mask, she was really nice and chatty, what did I do?, I burst into tears!. What a complete idiot I felt, I am sinking and don’t know how to claw myself back into a better head space.

What a great job Bozo and his cronies have done on millions of people. I felt like a sane one amongst idiots, but then again, who burst into tears, not them.

218545 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Mrs issedoff, 14, #764 of 2120 🔗

I feel for you the masks make me despair

218550 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Mrs issedoff, 15, #765 of 2120 🔗

You are the sane one there is nothing wrong with your response when all around us appears to be falling apart. Stay strong keep fighting.

“in an insane world, a sane man must appear insane.”

218562 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Mrs issedoff, 16, #766 of 2120 🔗

You have my deepest sympathy. I had an acrimonious conversation with a clergyman today about not wearing a mask face-nappy in church. He didn’t know about exemptions, turns out none of them did. Didn’t make any difference. Apparently someone complained; I said I had no sympathy with such people.
I pointed out very strongly that snitching is reprehensible behaviour and it is high time that clergymen condemned it.

218568 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Stephanos, 10, #767 of 2120 🔗

Your clergyman must be related to mine. They shame their high calling.

218566 ▶▶ annie, replying to Mrs issedoff, 15, #768 of 2120 🔗

You were the sane one among idiots.
You burst into tears because humans are basically herd animals, and being outside the herd is unpleasant. Ask any child who’s been victimised at school
But it’s well worth it, if the herd is a herd of zombies.
Stay strong. Be un-herd. Be human. We are with you..

218582 ▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to annie, 4, #769 of 2120 🔗

Yes be human!! All of us must remain so

218594 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Mrs issedoff, 8, #770 of 2120 🔗

I’m over 6ft and 15 stone. Never wore a mask. Never once had a word said to me. And just one dopey long stare by a man of a certain kind that just wanted to give a piece of his mind but thought better of it. Just as well cos I can be a handful. But it goes to show how cowardly those who say something are… they won’t pick on someone bigger who looks like they might go 0-mental in less than a few minutes.

218619 ▶▶▶ Mrs issedoff, replying to chaos, 9, #771 of 2120 🔗

I know, people on the whole are cowards and I’m an easy target. I don’t wear a mask because firstly I don’t believe in them and secondly they cause me distress. What about some little old lady who can’t breath in one and has copd for instance, does she get all the dirty looks and snide comments as well?!. These plonkers make me sick.

Thank you all for your kind and supportive comments, I need some sanity in my life at the moment and this site gives me that.

218939 ▶▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Mrs issedoff, 3, #772 of 2120 🔗

You are a hero Mrs I. Your courage sets an example to others who might be thinking of going without face panties but are having trouble summoning up the necessary grit (understandable if you’re not a burly bloke). Well done – and keep going!

218807 ▶▶▶ StevieH, replying to chaos, 5, #773 of 2120 🔗

I’m 70, 5’10” and bit heavier than you. I walk round the supermarket with a severe expression on my face. Nobody says a word – these fuckwits who pick on what they consider an easy target are reprehensible.

218653 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Mrs issedoff, 5, #774 of 2120 🔗

I went into a little independent shop today without a mask. Woman behind counter was unmasked. She was very friendly and wished me a lovely day. I got the impression she was just relieved at the human contact.

218666 ▶▶ Verity Oran, replying to Mrs issedoff, 7, #775 of 2120 🔗

Sorry to hear of your encounter, it is never easy going against the herd, so well done for doing so.

In the beginning I used to get really anxious about the stares and odd snide comment I was getting about being mask free. But then I came to the decision, that if I want to continue to operate as some semblance of a human being and not wear a face covering then I need to do something about my anxiety when I am the only mask free person in a shop.
And through trial and error I have found this mind game works for me: I just pretend that I am the only person in the shop and that all the masked drones are all invisible. I have found it incredibly liberating and stress free and interestingly I haven’t noticed and stares or heard any comments since doing this. It gets easier every time. I hope you can find a strategy that works for you.

218731 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Verity Oran, 2, #776 of 2120 🔗

Thanks. good advice and well done

218826 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Verity Oran, 3, #777 of 2120 🔗

I actually get a kick out of being the only unmasked person in a shop.

Really do! It feels just fine to me.

218751 ▶▶ Sophie123, replying to Mrs issedoff, 7, #778 of 2120 🔗

I feel a bit bad. When masks were first introduced and before I saw the light and became a mask refusenik, one of my children hissed to me “that lady is not wearing a mask!” In the supermarket.
I DID say loudly though, so she could hear, “she’s very sensible”
I gave up on masks the next day. Though my children find it mortifying.

219640 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Sophie123, #779 of 2120 🔗

Though my children find it mortifying.

Maybe have some really serious discussions ? They’ll get no truth from the media, schools, or many of their peers.

218529 TheBluePill, replying to TheBluePill, 3, #780 of 2120 🔗

Slovakia is currently testing its entire population with antigen tests. The initial results, midway through the first day, are looking to be below 1% positive. They seem a bit disappointed about it.

I’m confused though, the only information I can find about antigen tests is that they have a higher false positive rate than PCR (as well as a high false negative rate). <1% positives would be below the false positive rate I would expect. I can't find any concrete data but it seems like it should be at least 2% FPR for antigen tests. Either they have got a test that has a pretty low false positive rate (but still too high to be of use with the low prevalance) or they have got some junk tests that just don't work. If they have got a test with low false positives you can expect any similar stocks elsewhere will imminently be heading to landfill.

Sorry, no link yet – just watched them announcing it at a press conference on TV.

218541 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to TheBluePill, #781 of 2120 🔗

I guess you mean anti body test?
What would an anti gen test be?

218549 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Silke David, 1, #782 of 2120 🔗

Antigen tests detect certain proteins on the surface of a virus. Lots of them were developed early on but they are apparently less sensitive that PCR tests.

219614 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Charlie Blue, #783 of 2120 🔗

Proteins on the surface of a virus. Far out.

Are these proteins unique to covid ? Do we know the scientific papers that identifies and lists them ?

218567 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Silke David, #784 of 2120 🔗

These are the 15 minute tests that are similar to pregnancy tests. A substitute for PCR that doesn’t need a lab. Probably what Bozo’s moonshot would entail.

218605 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to TheBluePill, 1, #785 of 2120 🔗

Ah, the pregnancy test. if you test 100.000men, 100 are pregnant.

218770 ▶▶ Graham Strouts, replying to TheBluePill, 4, #786 of 2120 🔗

I’m in Bratislava and we were tested yesterday- we had the option of a PCR test at my partner’s clinic so didn’t have to wait for hours in the rain today, as thousands did. First results in from 12.00 show >800,000 tests with only 1% positive. Last weekend they tested 160,000 in Orava, the most infected region, with ab9ut 4% positive. This seems remarkably low since, as you say, most could be false positives- yet we are in lockdown and told the hospitals are overflowing.

There has been no real explanation as to what the the goal is- clearly you could be negative today Nd positive tomorrow. The proposal is you will need to show a positive cert in shops, bars (if any are open) to go to work etc, but it is not clear how long the test is valid for. Maybe just a dry run for digital health passports or vaccines down the line.

Interestingly, a €20 bonus was offered to the testing staff for each positive test result! Doesn’t seem to have made much difference though.

218780 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Graham Strouts, 1, #787 of 2120 🔗

Interestingly, a €20 bonus was offered to the testing staff for each positive test result!

Seriously?

218792 ▶▶▶▶ Graham Strouts, replying to Ceriain, 4, #788 of 2120 🔗

Yes, seriously, it was announced in the official information. That’s a lot of money to many health workers or medical students here.

218805 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Graham Strouts, #789 of 2120 🔗

It is, yes.
Thanks, Graham; interesting info. 🙂

218835 ▶▶▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Graham Strouts, #790 of 2120 🔗

Indeed. The PM actually did a press conference and pulled out a load of flash cards with bribe amounts on them.

218530 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 3, #791 of 2120 🔗

Sad that the great Sean Connery died today. Ironically, his son Jason directed the film, “Pandemic.”

218574 ▶▶ mari, replying to Margaret, 1, #792 of 2120 🔗

Sad to see another ‘Great’ leave the planet and condolences, of course, to his family, but I can’t help thinking that he’s better off out of this shit.

218648 ▶▶▶ Draper233, replying to mari, #793 of 2120 🔗

Hmm, i’m not so sure.

Living in the Bahamas probably makes it a bit more tolerable!

RIP Sean.

219603 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Margaret, #794 of 2120 🔗

Sturgeon was making political capital out of his death on the day he died. Ffs.

218535 ianric, replying to ianric, 11, #795 of 2120 🔗

These are questions which need to be answered :-

1) We have seen the emergence of the coronavirus industrial complex where firms benefit from the current situation; online sellers and supermarkets who benefit when their competitors are legally not allowed to operate and companies who manufacture vaccines, hand sanitizers, masks, disinfectants, manufacturers of PCR tests etc. Has the UK and other governments received any funding from companies who benefit from the lockdowns and ongoing hysteria and does this explain why governments have no intention of ending lockdown and wish to the hysteria to continue?

2) We are hearing about empty test centres and people being told they have tested positive without being tested. In view of this, where are the number of cases coming from? Has the government been lying about the number of positive test results. Why would the government need to resort to fraud if we are in a genuine pandemic?

3) The majority of the MSM have slavishly supported the government and pumped out endless fear porn propaganda. Has the government paid the media or discussed with the media to spread propaganda and silence alternative views. Why would this be necessary in a real pandemic?

218547 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to ianric, 10, #796 of 2120 🔗

Why would a virus pandemic (which we’ve been told isn’t seasonal) wait all summer, through crowded beaches, pubs packed and protests, before coming back with it’s deadly second wave in cold and flu season?

218558 ▶▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to PoshPanic, 7, #797 of 2120 🔗

The same reason it was in Brazil’s sewage from November 19 and didn’t do anything till May 20. It is clearly and demonstrably seasonal.

218579 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to ianric, 5, #798 of 2120 🔗

3) The MSM is The Establishment. Period.

218544 dickyboy, replying to dickyboy, #799 of 2120 🔗

From Sky News: All of England to be plunged into a new Tier 4, Sky News understands

All pubs and restaurants to close
Non-essential retail to close – though supermarkets won’t have to cordon off any areas
No mixing outside homes
Schools and universities to remain open
Construction, parliament and courts to remain open
The new measures will last until 2 December, Sky political editor Beth Rigby understands.

After that, some areas would go into lower tiers.

218548 ▶▶ mari, replying to dickyboy, 3, #800 of 2120 🔗

Ah, just in time for christmas, then!

218560 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to mari, 2, #801 of 2120 🔗

What a surprise.

218552 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to dickyboy, 4, #802 of 2120 🔗

What about Amazon?

218572 ▶▶▶ dickyboy, replying to Eddy, 8, #803 of 2120 🔗

Doing very nicely thankyou.

218589 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to dickyboy, 7, #804 of 2120 🔗

Doing great in Wales.
Soviet Politburo boss Dungford is the best friend Amazon has ever had.

219204 ▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to annie, #805 of 2120 🔗

He’s quackers.

218553 ▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to dickyboy, 18, #806 of 2120 🔗

I do not consent. They just need to be ignored. They are not worthy of our respect.

218573 ▶▶ Albie, replying to dickyboy, 5, #807 of 2120 🔗

“After that, some areas would go into lower tiers.”

In other words some, probably most, won’t.

218624 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Albie, 7, #808 of 2120 🔗

Little Piddling On The Carpet, Wiltshire will go into Tier 3. The rest of the country will stay in 4, except a few places will go into the new Tier 5, in which alcohol, talking, sex, smiling and thinking dark thoughts will be punishable by death.

218646 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Albie, 1, #809 of 2120 🔗

Exactly…

218591 ▶▶ Lili, replying to dickyboy, 17, #810 of 2120 🔗

We’re still having our friends and family bonfire night on 5th Nov as planned.I don’t bow to bullies and liars.

218644 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Lili, 7, #811 of 2120 🔗

I am organising ‘business meetings’ in my cottage for my friends in the coming weeks.

218600 ▶▶ annie, replying to dickyboy, 2, #812 of 2120 🔗

Tiers before bedtime, eh?
Invite a friend to lunch on Tuesday.

218618 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to dickyboy, 3, #813 of 2120 🔗

There’s a word missing there,
It should be “all pubs and restaurants to close DOWN”

218622 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to dickyboy, 5, #814 of 2120 🔗

33 days

218643 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Eddy, 3, #815 of 2120 🔗

Noted…

218546 Ben Shirley, replying to Ben Shirley, 40, #816 of 2120 🔗

I’ve not been home long from a protest march today, starting in Crystal Palace. I’d say it provided a beacon of hope ‘twixt all the lunacy and despair from Westminster.

Crowds assembled at Crystal Palace station for a midday start, and I’d put the turnout at over 100 people. I’d consider that pretty successful considering we started off in sideways rain, and it wasn’t intended to be anything on the scale of the Trafalgar Square protests.

It was organised by StandUpX, who, as I’ve said before, don’t sit entirely in line with my own opinions, but I found this protest much more agreeable than the last one I went on. There was no mention from the organisers about Bill Gates or 5G, so it shouldn’t have alienated anyone.

We set off from Crystal Palace at about one o’clock, and headed through Anerley and Penge before finishing in the centre of Beckenham. What struck me, and gladdened me, was the number of people who wanted to show support – motorists honked their horns, drinkers poured out from pubs to clap us and residents and business owners stood on their doorsteps with smiles and waves.

Two or three marchers managed to have confrontations with the police escort. While I never ascertained the cause, I’m not sure this was always the police’s fault. For instance, if a policeman tells you to keep to the pavement, I’d consider that a reasonable request that ought to be complied with. Mind you, the police don’t help themselves. If they’d said “Keep to the pavement, please,” I’m sure it would have elicited a more co-operative response than “Oi! Get on the pavement!”

The support we drew from the general public leads me to believe that we are no longer a small minority. We might not be a majority yet, but our numbers are now quite significant, and there is no way the government can attempt to justify that another full lockdown is in the public’s general interest. That won’t stop them trying, though.

218577 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to Ben Shirley, 8, #817 of 2120 🔗

Thanks Ben, it’s heartening to hear of the support along the way from those not marching. Props to you for being right in the mix!

218583 ▶▶ Lili, replying to Ben Shirley, 3, #818 of 2120 🔗

Thank you. That’s a very informative update and thanks also for being there.

218615 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to Ben Shirley, 2, #819 of 2120 🔗

Peaceful protests will not work.

218645 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Eddy, 3, #820 of 2120 🔗

It’s Pitchfork time

218722 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Eddy, 1, #821 of 2120 🔗

Violent protests definitely will not work.
Peaceful protests plus one-to-one discussion and persuasion.
Work work work everyone!

218557 Iansn, replying to Iansn, 5, #822 of 2120 🔗

From the DT In September, the Government’s chief scientific adviser Sir Patrick Vallance warned that the UK could see 50,000 Covid-19 cases a day by mid-October – a claim which proved accurate.when was that ever accurate, its not even accurate now, unless its on Pantsdowns computer

218565 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to Iansn, 1, #823 of 2120 🔗

Dr Death

218616 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Iansn, 1, #824 of 2120 🔗

It’s accurate if you swap the word “day” for the word “week” and treat the word “case” as synonymous with “positive test result”, which is of course exactly what they’ve been doing, UNCHALLENGED by the useless media

218634 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Iansn, #825 of 2120 🔗

It’s the chocolate ration…

219584 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Iansn, #826 of 2120 🔗

Sir Patrick “Liar” Vallance

218559 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 11, #827 of 2120 🔗

Steve Baker was on looking, imo, quite shocked by what he had been told about what was happening and to listen to what will be said in the coming days.

218596 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #828 of 2120 🔗

Perhaps Baker – and others – were not quite aware of what was going on until now, and the PM has had to open up a bit more about the reality of the situation.

218638 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to calchas, 1, #829 of 2120 🔗

Or was he only shocked at the stats being presented (false stats, obviously designed to convince MPs that Boris is doing the ‘right thing’)….?

218667 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Carrie, 1, #830 of 2120 🔗

Or told the whole reason for Event Covid?

218613 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #831 of 2120 🔗

Good he might be going to court with the rest of the scum.

218617 ▶▶ David Farrer, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #832 of 2120 🔗

I chaired a meeting with Steve a few years ago. He was extremely sound on economics. I still hold out some hope that he’ll realise what’s actually going on.

218714 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to David Farrer, 1, #833 of 2120 🔗

Have you tried contacting him yourself, David?

218943 ▶▶▶▶ David Farrer, replying to Rosie, #834 of 2120 🔗

No, it was ten years ago I just realised! He is the only person in Parliament who understands anything about economics.

218750 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to David Farrer, 3, #835 of 2120 🔗

He’s very knowledgeable on stuff like the Bradbury pound..

But he seems to have been muzzled by bribery (his promotion to the Privy council)

I initially felt positive towards him when he turned down a cabinet or more influential role, that he had a healthy suspicion of possible other agendas, but I felt really let down when he voted to prolong the coronavirus act..

218633 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #836 of 2120 🔗

When and where was this?

218576 Graham Strouts, replying to Graham Strouts, 16, #837 of 2120 🔗

Toby- I very much admire your work and find it of great value. But how long will you keep crunching the logic and become ever more despairing about how irrational the government is, when you must know-how as Delingpole now seems to have accepted- that they are not stupid, they know what they are doing, and Covid is just a cover for The Great Reset? I suspect you are wary of alienating “rational” skeptical who just think the government will change eventually when confronted with enough facts- but time is running out. We need to blow the lid on this now and sing it from the rooftops- there is abundant evidence available, and nothing else is consistent with the destructive co-ordinated actions of governments across the world. Resistance will be futile if people still thinkmeventually the madness will stop- it will not.

https://mises.org/wire/lockdowns-great-reset?fbclid=IwAR1bXo2IrkrbV5rzM5Hiy0YTxeVqzu7XA6xAdhRGXiFDSmj0liadv1pswl8

218647 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Graham Strouts, 6, #838 of 2120 🔗

All we need to do is persuade people that lockdowns do more harm than good – no need to muddy the waters by going beyond that. Most people will simply dismiss you, however right you are

218668 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Graham Strouts, 4, #839 of 2120 🔗

But we know about the Great Reset and Toby has covered it. Personally I don’t think there is a clear case for cock up vs conspiracy, but instead a whole range of factors in between those 2. Such as corruption, hysteria, opportunism, arse covering and last but not least, an out of control digital technology.

218830 ▶▶▶ Graham Strouts, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #840 of 2120 🔗

Sure, but it’s a question of where to put your energy. Endlessly analysing graphs tomake your case and then saying “are they really that stupid?” has diminishing returns when the gvt clearly has a quite different agenda to “the science”. They are not stupid and we should stop saying they are. They know exactly
You what they are doing and it is all going extraordinarily well. The goal is the destroy the economy and I’m mpoverish the nation, then introduce social credit, health passports, isolation camps, mandatory vaccines- I don’t know what to do about this, but since these are cleaR
You stated on the WEF publications, it would seem more worthwhile tomtry to analyse these objectives, make people aware, try to predict the next steps, find cracks or weaknesses…I really don’t know. But time is running out- once they have comprehensive digital tracking and health passports in n place, game over. Yet another fabulous graph showing how Covid deaths are no worse than flu is just missing the point at this stage imo.

218932 ▶▶▶▶ Draper233, replying to Graham Strouts, 1, #841 of 2120 🔗

I take your point Graham, but neutral people will be looking at this site on a daily basis and I therefore think it needs to maintain its matter-of-fact reporting style to win these kind of people over, especially as it offers counter-arguments against the mainstream narrative they are hearing day in, day out.

Even if it makes the average person become a passive sceptic, it is better than nothing.

219198 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to PoshPanic, #842 of 2120 🔗

agreed.

218584 PompeyJunglist, replying to PompeyJunglist, 8, #843 of 2120 🔗

Breaking news

218809 ▶▶ JamesDrebin, replying to PompeyJunglist, 1, #844 of 2120 🔗

Brutally accurate. These ghouls are our rapists, and the lockdown zealots who agree with the madness are only too happy to hold down our arms and legs – for our own safety, of course.

218586 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 13, #845 of 2120 🔗

The kettle’s on, chocky digestives ready, can’t wait for the show…

218649 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to godowneasy, 4, #846 of 2120 🔗

Ha! Nice one

218588 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 30, #847 of 2120 🔗

Furlough ends this weekend. Marvellous timing Boris -you great fat tub of lard piece of sh**. I hope you and your pharma mates are forever looking over your shoulders !

218593 ▶▶ annie, replying to nickbowes, 21, #848 of 2120 🔗

Nick, it really bugs me the way you fawn on and flatter Boris, really it does.

218603 ▶▶▶ nickbowes, replying to annie, #849 of 2120 🔗

Sorry !
+ just watched some prediction guru on fox news saying Biden is going to WIN !
apparently he has predicted correctly since the early 80`s.

218620 ▶▶▶▶ Arkansas, replying to nickbowes, #850 of 2120 🔗

Survivor bias?

218661 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to nickbowes, 2, #851 of 2120 🔗

There’s a pollster I’m watching being interviewed just now who seems much more reliable with his data..

Newsmax is better than Fox!

218698 ▶▶▶▶ Crazy Times, replying to nickbowes, 3, #852 of 2120 🔗

Haha. Not a chance. Biden camp themselves are now panicking over how much they are going to lose by.

Obama: 93% of the Black vote in 2012
Hillary: 88% of the Black vote in 2016
Biden: ~81% of the Black vote, admitted/accepted by BET, according to latest polling. Just that alone will translate to a massive crushing defeat.

218889 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Crazy Times, 1, #853 of 2120 🔗

Mayhem will break whoever wins.

218598 ▶▶ mari, replying to nickbowes, 3, #854 of 2120 🔗

Really well thought, out evil timing, I’d say. They know exactly what they’re doing.

218607 ▶▶ DRW, replying to nickbowes, 6, #855 of 2120 🔗

Let’s hope ending furlough focuses minds.

218610 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to DRW, #856 of 2120 🔗

Exactly

218597 DRW, replying to DRW, 10, #857 of 2120 🔗

Get back from visiting mum just as the second lockdown is about to be confirmed. Another very sad day.

218611 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to DRW, 3, #858 of 2120 🔗

I`m visiting mine for a sunday roast tomorrow. Not sure if that is allowed or not tier two !

218623 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to nickbowes, 6, #859 of 2120 🔗

I think even in Tier 3 it’s permitted to visit someone in your support bubble. Since there is no official registration of bubbles, I don’t see how anyone can possibly be prevented from visiting anyone they want to.

218625 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to nickbowes, 9, #860 of 2120 🔗

Do you care?

218639 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to nickbowes, 4, #861 of 2120 🔗

Does it matter?

218700 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to nickbowes, 1, #862 of 2120 🔗

Two for tea and tier two, by Boris J.

218713 ▶▶▶ Suzyv, replying to nickbowes, 6, #863 of 2120 🔗

This fraud could end right now if enough people stop complying with the nonsensical rules. If our elderly parents want to see us, we will continue no matter what and the same goes for friends. To be honest I don’t know what the different tiers mean and do not wish to know. Life is for living, we are all on borrowed time.

218599 Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 2, #864 of 2120 🔗

Has this been posted today?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/dominic-cummings-barnard-castle-durham-coronavirus-police-prosecution-nazir-afzal-b1454947.html

“Dominic Cummings accused of perverting course of justice after Barnard Castle trip”

219557 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Ozzie, #865 of 2120 🔗

Ooh, some good news. 🙂

218606 Bungle, replying to Bungle, 1, #866 of 2120 🔗

Suggested song: “A World Without Love” Peter & Gordon, 1964.

218716 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Bungle, 1, #867 of 2120 🔗

Please lock me away and don’t allow the day here inside where I hide…

218901 ▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to bluemoon, 1, #868 of 2120 🔗

. . . in my loneliness.

I don’t care what they say I can’t live in a world without love.

218609 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #869 of 2120 🔗

Theme tune suggested by this reader: anything by Tiers For Fears

218693 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #870 of 2120 🔗

When I jumped in my car this morning, the first song that popped up from my playlist was New World Order by Ministry.

218734 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Mr Dee, #871 of 2120 🔗

Or just 1 fix, dolly chops is clearly off his tits

219551 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Mr Dee, #872 of 2120 🔗

Coincidence … OR WAS IT ?

218614 Helen, 3, #873 of 2120 🔗

‘The First Wrong Assumption
To SAGE’s first assumption. I believe that it was ridiculous to have said that, because it’s a novel virus , no one in the population would have immunity and so 100% of the population was, at the start, susceptible to it.” Mike Yeadon
“its a novel virus” is a statement which has no basis whatsoever in fact yet it lies within an accusation of a wrong assumption by SAGE.

Evidence has been gathered by a team of lawyers and doctors in a foreign county. This evidence is now available for everyone worldwide to study on Twitter (in English)

PCR GATE
https://twitter.com/Bobby_Network/status/1321188173913927680
(still haven’t learned to unroll sorry)

Wouldn’t you think that this evidence would be enough to cause scientists in other countries to hold off making statements, at least until after judgement in a court of law.

PCR GATE suggests a criminal conspiracy between an obsessive compulsive scientist (with doubtful credentials), a opportunist test kit manufacturing company, a hospital in total financial chaos, the WHO and the RKI.

This evidence not only appears to nullify the plethora cases data thats been churned out, the “pandemic” itself but also casts serious doubt upon the existence of the novel virus..SCv 2

218627 Tony Rattray, 17, #874 of 2120 🔗

THIS COUNTRY IS NOW RUN BY THE NHS AND ITS CRONY SCIENTISTS – GOD HELP US!

218628 Eddy, replying to Eddy, 24, #875 of 2120 🔗

So these masks have definitely been a waste of time

218630 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Eddy, 3, #876 of 2120 🔗

Yeah, always would be wouldn’t it, we got the memo first, plebs haven’t got theirs yet

218629 Eddy, replying to Eddy, 16, #877 of 2120 🔗

There will be no clapping the NHS this time.

218696 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Eddy, 2, #878 of 2120 🔗

I wouldn’t put it past the sheeple.

218631 PoshPanic, 3, #879 of 2120 🔗

I hadn’t watched this until today. John Ioannidis takes the pants down on the Fergusons lockdown model. Very short and sweet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXuljpIY-nk

218632 mhcp, 3, #880 of 2120 🔗

All because you don’t measure things properly.

When will people ever learn this.

218637 annie, replying to annie, 21, #881 of 2120 🔗

Behold a crude psy-op.

They know that Christmas restrictions would be flouted everywhere. So they bang everybody up now and then say ‘Thanks to our wholly brilliant lockdown, you will be graciously allowed out of your hutches for an hour or two over Christmas, kneel down and kiss our feet.”

Subtle, ain’t it?

218678 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to annie, 9, #882 of 2120 🔗

But this is designed to kill all toy shops and the like, and lead to yet more profits for Jeff Bezos – people won’t want to take the risk of waiting till December to do their Christmas shopping, knowing the lockdown will likely be a lot longer than they will say it will..

218695 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Carrie, 9, #883 of 2120 🔗

When I shop online, I use lot’s of indie stores. Great prices, services-speak to a human and alway very quick deliveries.
Support the small stores!

218718 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #884 of 2120 🔗

Also try to shop with independent/local shops who allow you to order through their own website. This stops Amazon or Ebay getting a cut. Some small shops without websites may also take telephone orders during the coming period of house-arrest. (Although I would still use Ebay for second hand items as that way the government doesn’t get any VAT).

218797 ▶▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to PoshPanic, 4, #885 of 2120 🔗

Yes yes yes. Boycott the corporations. Enough of the mindless folks will spend with them but enlightened folk should just stay the F away

218640 Adam, 8, #886 of 2120 🔗

If any Tory mps read this you need to remove Johnson and Hancock especially then repeal the covid19 act with bumbling Boris we will just go around in circles

218641 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 3, #887 of 2120 🔗

Propaganda alert!

The Telegraph live feed:

UK 1 million milestone highlights ‘increasingly precarious situation’

Commenting on the news that more than one million lab-confirmed cases of coronavirus have been recorded in the UK, Dr Yvonne Doyle, medical director at Public Health England, said: “For many among this million, getting infected has meant serious illness and even death.

“We have all already made huge sacrifices and we are in an increasingly precarious situation as hospital admissions grow each day.

“But we can all continue to play our part in bringing this virus under control and must abide by the restrictions in place, socially distance, wear a face covering and regularly washing our hands.”

218654 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to Tenchy, 12, #888 of 2120 🔗

for 67 million UK residents it came as a great surprise when Doctor Doyle told all of them that one day they will eventually day, even snowflakes. This is increasingly precarious as soon even the graveyards will overflow. We need to get life under control and stop it permanently, we can all play our part by not being born in the first place, this makes life so difficult for the NHS we do not know how we will ever cope, she said with a pained look and a sigh

218706 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Iansn, #889 of 2120 🔗

LOL reminds me of one of Chaucer’s tales where a group of drunks decide they’re going to kill the grim reaper to stop people dying.

218694 ▶▶ BobT, replying to Tenchy, 5, #890 of 2120 🔗

Just about everyone agrees that the virus is or will become endemic. So if we keep testing this 1 million milestone will rise to 67 million in UK and 7 billion worldwide in a year or two.

218747 ▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Tenchy, 1, #891 of 2120 🔗

When this is over she should be on the long list of those “public servants” who must be fired.

219539 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to charleyfarley, #892 of 2120 🔗

Agreed – but from a cannon, or tied to a stake ?

218793 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to Tenchy, 1, #893 of 2120 🔗

“many among the million”

So many means less than 10% now?

219534 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Tenchy, #894 of 2120 🔗

Didn’t PHE get canned months ago ? Or was that just another hallucination ?

218642 Bugle, replying to Bugle, 21, #895 of 2120 🔗

No parliamentary scrutiny? “This is how freedom dies,” said Steve Baker MP, before he and his mates stood back and let it die.

218651 ▶▶ smileymiley, replying to Bugle, 10, #896 of 2120 🔗

Exactly, they’ve all sold us down the river.

218650 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 3, #897 of 2120 🔗

Can anyone explain this to me? What is this BBC writer, probably with an expensive university education, actually trying to say?
Over the winter of 2017-18 there were about 50,000 winter excess deaths in England and Wales, but only about half that number of excess deaths – that’s because you expect more people to die in the winter than the summer for various reasons, one of which is flu.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/54735702
“Fact checking Rocco Forte”

218689 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Silke David, 3, #898 of 2120 🔗

He’s comparing excess deaths – those above a five-year average for a comparable period, with winter excess deaths – the excess of winter deaths over summer deaths in the same year, I think. It’s a badly written piece and I’m not sure the author really understands what Forte was saying.

218652 Mary M., replying to Mary M., 12, #899 of 2120 🔗

If you haven’t already signed the petition ‘Repeal the Coronavirus Act 2020’ sign it now if you value democracy.100,000 signatures are needed for the Speaker to consider a proper debate in Parliament. About another 2,500 signatures to go.

218671 ▶▶ Pennyb, replying to Mary M., 1, #901 of 2120 🔗

Done!

218675 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Pennyb, #902 of 2120 🔗

Snap x 2.

218681 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Mary M., #903 of 2120 🔗

Thanks. Signed.

218816 ▶▶ Struan, replying to Mary M., #904 of 2120 🔗

Done and shared

218655 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 48, #905 of 2120 🔗

Be of stout heart, fellow sceptics; this month long lockdown is the “last throw of the dice” for the dictatorship,lockdown lackeys, and Covid collaborators.
It won’t work and after Christmas when the credit and store card bills start to arrive and the furlough payments have disappeared alongside redundancies and bankruptcies, what then; a 3 month lockdown?
Be patient, we have kept faith these long months and time as well as history is on our side.

218659 ▶▶ Pennyb, replying to Fingerache Philip., 8, #906 of 2120 🔗

Well said!

218662 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Pennyb, 4, #907 of 2120 🔗

Thank you.

218663 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Fingerache Philip., 5, #908 of 2120 🔗

I agree. They’ll get away with this one, but not next time.

218674 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Fingerache Philip., 16, #909 of 2120 🔗

I have so little faith left in the majority at this point, I don’t think they’ll ever wake up. We are in very dark times.

218680 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to DRW, 7, #910 of 2120 🔗

We are but we must keep trying.

218697 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #911 of 2120 🔗

We must act urgently, Fingerache!

219420 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to DRW, 2, #912 of 2120 🔗

Unfortunately, so very true, but let’s go down fighting. Giving in to the vaccinators will be the worst of all options.

219514 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to DRW, 2, #913 of 2120 🔗

Only needs a single candle to dispel darkness. 🙂

218679 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #914 of 2120 🔗

A rousing speech! Thanks!

218687 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Mr Dee, 4, #915 of 2120 🔗

Thank you.
I speak from my heart.

218685 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Fingerache Philip., 14, #916 of 2120 🔗

Wise words Philip. In my view we are at the end point now. Perhaps I might be a month out on my prediction that November will bring the new strategy – I had expected a two-week circuit break after 15 October. The mood on the streets is not good even if The Fat Controller’s skewed polling tells him otherwise.

218785 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 11, #917 of 2120 🔗

Agree. The intellectual momentum is running hard against them now, and large sections of the public, and even media, are in an entirely different mood to that of the spring.

The sunshine has gone and the money’s running out.

As FP says, last throw of the dice for this shower.

219428 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to TJN, 3, #918 of 2120 🔗

The Tower is looming for Boris and his motley crew. Traitor’s gate is very aptly named.

218728 ▶▶ EllGee, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #919 of 2120 🔗

Nicely said indeed sir, it is getting harder though

218742 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Fingerache Philip., 9, #920 of 2120 🔗

What if destruction of the economy is the plan.I am devoid of hope today.There can be no doubt that our government is acting on the behalf of foreign interests.

218753 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 9, #921 of 2120 🔗

It is – see the great reset..

218783 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to Fingerache Philip., 5, #922 of 2120 🔗

I would suggest a buy nothing Christmas – as in buy nothing from the big corporations and instead buy only in your own community

218808 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Eddie, 1, #923 of 2120 🔗

Good idea!

219523 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Carrie, 1, #924 of 2120 🔗

Everyone gets knitted yoghurt for Xmas ! That’ll save a few quid. 🙂

218794 ▶▶ Struan, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #925 of 2120 🔗

Thank you Philip.
Your words have lifted my spirit!

218912 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Struan, 2, #926 of 2120 🔗

Thank you very much indeed.

219411 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #927 of 2120 🔗

We have to keep the faith, it’s personal.

218657 DRW, replying to DRW, 12, #928 of 2120 🔗

Odd how the second English lockdown is just like France and Belgium’s. 1 month in November to “save Christmas”. Reading off the same script again?

218665 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to DRW, 5, #929 of 2120 🔗

Ireland got a head start – it’s level 5 no-lockdown lockdown started 10 days ago.

218723 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to godowneasy, 2, #930 of 2120 🔗

Runs for 6 weeks so it ties in with the rest

218660 Anothersceptic2, replying to Anothersceptic2, 12, #931 of 2120 🔗

So 2-3 days before they announce a full lockdown they also publish a guide for healthcare professionals on running PCR tests: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/cycle-threshold-ct-in-sars-cov-2-rt-pcr – which clearly states the threshold before you start getting pointless results as no more than 30. This now contradicts the WHO paper that states to churn away for 45 cycles in a paper that was submitted, peer reviewed and then published in 3 days!!! https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2020.25.3.2000045 ?

218676 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Anothersceptic2, 4, #932 of 2120 🔗

Thanks for this information. Does this mean the uk policy now is to stick to a 30 cycle threshold? Sorry, I’m a bit dim when it comes to sciency stuff, but these guidelines seem vitally important when trying to decipher their gameplan.

218686 ▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Mr Dee, 6, #933 of 2120 🔗

That I can’t answer but I can’t find anything else similar from earlier in the year, it just seems odd timing. They could now being doing the tests properly which would obviously yield far less false positives, being case numbers down and they’ve saved Christmas with the lockdown…

218705 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Anothersceptic2, 3, #934 of 2120 🔗

That’s what I was thinking…

218870 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Anothersceptic2, 1, #935 of 2120 🔗

Cases will fall, and Vallance will claim that his model shows that whilst there may only be 1 case per day at Ct30, he predicts that Ct31 would result in 1,000,000 cases per day – cue Lockdown 3.0.

218926 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to A. Contrarian, #936 of 2120 🔗

Sigh, if only that was some kind of comical statement.

218682 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Anothersceptic2, 6, #937 of 2120 🔗

If that is now the guidance, it looks a lockdown will be a psy-op to allow them to claim that the reduction in “infections” was caused by the lockdown and not acknowledging that the PCR is a POS.

218688 ▶▶▶ 2 pence, replying to Ewan Duffy, 4, #938 of 2120 🔗

Indeed.
Kary Mullis: Ct >30 is wrong.>33 definitely is.
In Switzerland=> 35(-40),in US 39+,in UK and Ireland
40-45. In the latter range almost anything may be tested positive.

218692 ▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Ewan Duffy, 5, #939 of 2120 🔗

that is the theory I’m working towards. They may feel they can essentially dig themselves out of the hole they’ve ended up in by suddenly claiming that positive cases have dropped dramatically since the new lockdown.

218699 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Anothersceptic2, 2, #940 of 2120 🔗

They’ve had many opportunities for that and yet here we are.

218683 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Anothersceptic2, 2, #941 of 2120 🔗

So we will see a reduction in cases over the next weeks and the final push lockdown will be hailed as a success.

218704 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to mhcp, 3, #942 of 2120 🔗

Spot on. That’s a certainty. But I reckon the timing will be just as liability-waived vaccines and covipasses are ready to roll.

218733 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 1, #943 of 2120 🔗

That is my worry..

218684 ▶▶ 2 pence, replying to Anothersceptic2, 1, #944 of 2120 🔗

Apparently for flu is 24 cycles.

218741 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to 2 pence, #945 of 2120 🔗

Generally because you are only tested when you are hospitalised for flu. So your viral load is generally high. Unless of course they think it’s Covid and only test for that.

218729 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Anothersceptic2, 4, #946 of 2120 🔗

Well this is exactly what the likes of CEBM have been calling for, so it is a good thing. However, it’s obvious where they’ll go with this..

218735 ▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to PoshPanic, #947 of 2120 🔗

Where?

218782 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Anothersceptic2, 2, #948 of 2120 🔗

Get out of jail, or so they think

218761 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to PoshPanic, 5, #949 of 2120 🔗

I remember sunbathing in May or June listening to Carl Heneghan explaining this on R4. Why has it taken this long for this guidance to come out? Rhetorical question.

218803 ▶▶ court, replying to Anothersceptic2, #950 of 2120 🔗

Brill, thanks for this! I’ve saved a copy for future reference.

218938 ▶▶ LB, replying to Anothersceptic2, #951 of 2120 🔗

I read that document a few days ago and just looked at it again now. Maybe I missed it, but I didn’t see any reference to limiting the tests to 30 cycles. Where in the document does it say this?

218672 Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 12, #952 of 2120 🔗

the PsyOps team in MiniTrue have reached out to me for advice. They believe there may be some prole backlash against Lockdown 2.0. The reputation of SAGE may be tarnished. They are exploring rebranding options. Now, I believe we can come up with something really helpful. I’ll get the ball rolling with Committee Unifying the Nation’s Top “Scientists”. Please help this important cause.

218677 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 3, #953 of 2120 🔗

The Committee of Public Safety

218690 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to calchas, 4, #954 of 2120 🔗

Good one. The Acronym works too. Like mine.

218762 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 1, #955 of 2120 🔗

Hahahaha.!! Love you guys keeping the laughs rolling on

218702 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 11, #956 of 2120 🔗

It’s five o’clock, it’s Saturday night, and it’s Clown Show Time, folks!

I can’t bring myself to watch it. Let me know what bollocks is talked, and if any probing questions are asked by the journalists (LOL!).

218707 ▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to Tenchy, 13, #957 of 2120 🔗

Ignore it completely. They don’t respect us so why the hell should we respect them?

218708 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Tenchy, 6, #958 of 2120 🔗

Sky and the BBC must be absolutely delighted; they’ve been wanting this for months.

218710 ▶▶ Crazy Times, replying to Tenchy, 3, #959 of 2120 🔗

It’s been delayed, as is the typical government way.

218717 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Crazy Times, 9, #960 of 2120 🔗

Yeah, they can’t even organise a bloody press conference … tossers.

218726 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to kh1485, 4, #961 of 2120 🔗

P××s up in a brewery?

218758 ▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to Crazy Times, 4, #962 of 2120 🔗

Maybe some Covids flew in backstage and haven’t been knocked down with anti-bacterial AA fire yet

218768 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Crazy Times, #963 of 2120 🔗

Giving time for more people to tune in…

218857 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Crazy Times, #964 of 2120 🔗

Boris still flapping about trying to decide which path to take?

218712 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Tenchy, #965 of 2120 🔗

Put back until 18.30

218725 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 13, #966 of 2120 🔗

Suggests a row going on with Cabinet, maybe> Or No. 10’s phone ringing of the hook with angry Tory MPs calling up?

218740 ▶▶▶▶ Rabbit, replying to Ceriain, 3, #967 of 2120 🔗

Let’s hope so!

218754 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Ceriain, 5, #968 of 2120 🔗

Maybe M.Macron’s just threatened to send the entire population of the banlieux across the Channel if we don’t allow French fishing boats in?

218765 ▶▶▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to Ceriain, 1, #969 of 2120 🔗

I do wonder if Sunak is laying down the law. Can’t make up my mind about him.

218773 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Now More Than Ever, 8, #970 of 2120 🔗

He’s dodgy, look at the name of his hedge fund and what they have invested in..
And remember he is ex Goldman Sachs..

He’s a favourite in the Tory party, because they stupidly think we are bothered about whether or not someone belongs to an ethnic minority, rather than if they can do the job or not.

218778 ▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Now More Than Ever, 5, #971 of 2120 🔗

If he doesn’t quit then it’s the last proof he’s on board.

218771 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Ceriain, 6, #972 of 2120 🔗

Any true sceptic has to resign now.

218777 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to DRW, 2, #973 of 2120 🔗

Yep! Now or never – they’ve had enough chances now..

218801 ▶▶▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to DRW, 2, #974 of 2120 🔗

I agree. They can talk up their scepticism all they like but at some point you have to prove your principles and that time is now. If they don’t all their words mean shit.

218737 ▶▶▶ Rabbit, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #975 of 2120 🔗

What a joke, probably had hours even days to get the finer details together for a press conference. What possible reason for a delay?

218752 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Rabbit, 3, #976 of 2120 🔗

So they can read LS to get more ideas?

218764 ▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #977 of 2120 🔗

BoJo’s speech writer having a nervous breakdown. That’s a shit job.

218855 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Charlie Blue, #978 of 2120 🔗

… inevitable if you just shovel shit.

218822 ▶▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Rabbit, 1, #979 of 2120 🔗

England playing Italy? Game ends by 18:30

218860 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Rabbit, #980 of 2120 🔗

More psychological torture = a population more willing to go along with whatever they’re cooking up.

218748 ▶▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 2, #981 of 2120 🔗

Second delay, was originally going to be 4pm.

A Halloween horror.

218757 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Now More Than Ever, 5, #982 of 2120 🔗

That the press conference was announced before the cabinet meeting had even started says a lot…

218817 ▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #983 of 2120 🔗

Italy England Six Nations game will be finished by then.

218720 ▶▶ James H, replying to Tenchy, 4, #984 of 2120 🔗

It’s a “trick or treat”!

218721 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Tenchy, 2, #985 of 2120 🔗

Don’t deserve the viewing figures- the Show is entirely staged and scripted.

218755 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to Tenchy, #986 of 2120 🔗

They even bother to invite journalists?

218703 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 13, #987 of 2120 🔗

They say a picture paints a thousands words.

Just as a bit of fun (I know, poor choice given what’s about to be announced) I thought I’d give a graphical idea of the absurdity of the Imperial College REACT figures announced yesterday vs. Tim Spector’s (Cambridge/Zoe project) figures.

REACT said 100,000 infected a day and doubling every 9 days; Spector said 43,569 infected a day and doubling every 28 days.

Given their numbers are correct, and allowing for no interventions, the graph showing future daily infections would look like that below; the right side of the column is Christmas Day. Left unchecked REACT predictions would show 7,442,696 infected every day, Spector suggests it would be 173,666 per day.

The Spector figures are the red columns; they are so small one can hardly see them.

Again, a reminder: this is purely a mathematical illustration of the absurdity of the Imperial bullshit numbers. It is not a prection (as Vallance once said). 🙂

218746 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Ceriain, 2, #988 of 2120 🔗

Nice one! Funs still allowed hopefully, it’s halloween 🎃

218814 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to PoshPanic, #989 of 2120 🔗

Thanks, Posh. 🙂

218709 Leemc23, 39, #990 of 2120 🔗

The vast majority of retail relies on November / December sales. In many cases that’s how they get through the rest of the year ! What cretin shuts down retail and boasts about keeping parliament open, when it creates no money, and is not even sitting in numbers that actually lead to policy.

Keep retail open you fucking dickheads. All of it. So much for “Covid secure & masks”. I don’t want to live in fucking Tesco’s. Wankers

218715 David Farrer, replying to David Farrer, 13, #991 of 2120 🔗

I wonder if Boris wants folk locked up next week in case we want to celebrate a Trump win…

218727 ▶▶ James H, replying to David Farrer, 5, #992 of 2120 🔗

Might also be wanting to quell reaction to a Biden win if it means no deal with the US and all that follows on from that. My money is still on a government of National Unity before Christmas! 🤢

218824 ▶▶▶ Sceptical Lefty, replying to James H, 2, #993 of 2120 🔗

We already have one

218791 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to David Farrer, 4, #994 of 2120 🔗

There could be a connection. If Trump wins, BLM etc will likely kick off big-time, in Britain as well. If we’re on full lockdown they can’t organise any official demonstrations which might turn into riots.

218800 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to David Farrer, #995 of 2120 🔗

It seems unlikely that ANY result will be known next week. The only thing that seems likely is fireworks…..

https://off-guardian.org/2020/10/31/on-course-for-a-coup/

218806 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to godowneasy, 2, #996 of 2120 🔗

The National Guard have already been deployed to a number of cities…

Btw if people are thinking I am overly interested in the USA, it is because I lived there as a child 😉

218842 ▶▶ RickH, replying to David Farrer, -1, #997 of 2120 🔗

Johnson UK = Trump US. The Covid difference is an illusion related to political posturing. Idiots remain idiots.

218908 ▶▶▶ Draper233, replying to RickH, 8, #998 of 2120 🔗

It pains me to say it Rick, but much as I despise Trump, his scepticism on Covid combined with the appointment of the excellent Dr Atlas as an advisor, make me hope he wins.

Moreover, Biden seems to be something of a lockdown zealot to me.

219486 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Draper233, #999 of 2120 🔗

Biden’s a senile nonce.

218724 Crazy Times, replying to Crazy Times, 14, #1000 of 2120 🔗

Steve Baker just on Sky saying he urges everybody to listen very carefully to every word Boris and co say today and over the next few days. I think something else is cooking in the background against Boris on this.

218730 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Crazy Times, 1, #1001 of 2120 🔗

Interesting… Has the conference started yet?

218743 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Carrie, 6, #1002 of 2120 🔗

Nope, delayed until 18.30 – they can’t even organise that properly …

218849 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to kh1485, #1003 of 2120 🔗

Oh FFS I give up!

218732 ▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to Crazy Times, 26, #1004 of 2120 🔗

I won’t be listening to a word that the Fat Clown says. He’s a disgusting, self-serving lump of lard and I do not respect him at all. When will they realise that we pay their fucking wages, not the other way around?

218767 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 2, #1005 of 2120 🔗

Just read that Steve Baker says he’s still ‘digesting the data’ – ie it is SAGE/Ferguson and their dodgy stats that are behind this….. or rather Bill G and Big Pharma..

218772 ▶▶▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to Carrie, 1, #1006 of 2120 🔗

Oh, most likely. SAGE and Ferguson are the only ‘experts’ in Britain qualified to influence policy apparently!

218834 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 2, #1007 of 2120 🔗

Blame where blame belongs : this is a government decision. No excuses.

219476 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to RickH, #1008 of 2120 🔗

Well, until Johnson comes clean and admits he’s taking orders from our new alien government of occupation.

219238 ▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, #1009 of 2120 🔗

Never.

218744 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Crazy Times, 6, #1010 of 2120 🔗

The only good that might come out of this is that it destroys him. Not hopeful though.

218828 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to DRW, 2, #1011 of 2120 🔗

Yes BUT – the oldest political trick in the book : get rid of a totally egregious buffoon/policy and replace it with something that looks slightly less egregious, but which is still barmy.

It’s part of the normalization process.

218756 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Crazy Times, #1012 of 2120 🔗

Is he supporting Boris then ?

218802 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Leemc23, #1013 of 2120 🔗

He’s surely mad if he is!

218799 ▶▶ Draper233, replying to Crazy Times, 4, #1014 of 2120 🔗

I predicted they’ll let Boris stay until Brexit is done, but after that it’s just a matter of time.

218882 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Draper233, 2, #1015 of 2120 🔗

I predicted they’ll let Boris stay until Brexit is done…

Been my feeling for a while, too. I really can’t see him lasting after Christmas.

I’d be interested to know if Graham Brady has started receiving letters.

218736 Cheezilla, 23, #1016 of 2120 🔗

I’m still working through the newsletter and links but I found this in the comments to the CW article:

… SAGE scientists, who are no more than cheap prostitutes to global vested interests.

Spot on that commentator!

218739 Biker, replying to Biker, 24, #1017 of 2120 🔗

News just in, Boris eats too much food and is a fat bastard, and like all fat people, he’s a greedy lying fuck deserving of mockery and a good fucking calorie reduced diet

218776 ▶▶ annie, replying to Biker, 2, #1018 of 2120 🔗

And we never knew!
Sensation!

218916 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to annie, #1019 of 2120 🔗

Gluttony is a sin so i guess he’s hell bound

218813 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Biker, 2, #1020 of 2120 🔗

And a fucking noose

218745 John P, replying to John P, 19, #1021 of 2120 🔗

FWIW I wrote to my (Labour) MP earlier today:

” Dear XXX,

As there are again rumours of further lockdown restrictions coming to England I again implore you to consider the alternative methods as suggested by respected academics in the Great Barrington declaration. Thus far, to date over 44,000 medical and health professionals have signed. The science is not settled.

https://gbdeclaration.org/

I have already sent you a clip of the WHO representative David Nabarro strongly urging against lockdowns.

I cannot support you in any forthcoming election if you continue to support the government and Keir Starmer’s lockdown positions. The job of opposition has been taken up by backbench Tory MPs. They are putting Labour to shame.

I am self employed and earn a small fraction of your Westminster salary. These lockdowns hurt my business and I have a mortgage to pay. I am not in a high risk age group. “

218769 ▶▶ RickH, replying to John P, 7, #1022 of 2120 🔗

Bluntly – the Labour Party no longer deserves that assumed heritage. Under Starmer’s weasel leadership it has become, in terms of the PLP, a second establishment party of complicit crawlers – not an opposition.

218786 ▶▶ Draper233, replying to John P, 4, #1023 of 2120 🔗

Labour have already lost my vote at the next election, whatever happens now.

218789 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Draper233, 9, #1024 of 2120 🔗

Hasn’t every party by now?

218866 ▶▶▶▶ Struan, replying to Carrie, 1, #1025 of 2120 🔗

None of them deserve our vote. Pathetic!

218885 ▶▶▶▶ Draper233, replying to Carrie, 2, #1026 of 2120 🔗

Probably.

But if the Tory rebels are able to overthrow this cabal, install a new cabinet that follows the Swedish model, then it might be the first time I ever vote Conservative (shudder).

219002 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Draper233, #1027 of 2120 🔗

me too

218862 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to John P, 3, #1028 of 2120 🔗

Good letter, John; short and to the point.

The science is not settled.

I’m so glad you put this to your MP. I was infuriated yesterday when Jeremy Hunt talked about the ‘scientific consensus’ when, in fact, there is nothing of the sort.

218759 RickH, replying to RickH, 13, #1029 of 2120 🔗

A couple of observations at random from encounters this afternoon :

First – idly dipping into the Five Nations matches. How impoverished is sport without a crowd. I can’t generate any enthusiasm. A small part of the general picture of this process of pointless deprivation – seven months old, with the clock still ticking. And no mass revulsion – let alone revolt.

Second – flicking through this week’s ‘Amateur Photographer’. An item by a consultant ICU medic who decided to document what was happening in hospital during the not-quite-epidemic spike in April. All about how stressed the system was. How terrible it was. Which, indeed, it may have been at the point where the maximum effects of the infective spikes hit home in an under-resourced system.

But … we know that this was not an ‘unprecedented’ event. Far from it. Where is the pictorial documentation of all the previous years that equaled or surpassed it? Selection – in location or memory is so potent; as is that of personal experience when generalised through a mental lens of perception.

Perhaps the most telling image is captioned ‘ A temporary mortuary brings home the awful reality of COVID-19′

…. which shows a large structure of scaffolding holding bays …

… totally empty.

Of such interpretations come myths.

218811 ▶▶ Jonathan Smith, replying to RickH, 7, #1030 of 2120 🔗

It’s so hard to take anything we are told on the TV at face value. In April in ‘reports from Italy’ they used pictures of coffins stacked up which turned out to be recycled from the sunk refugee boat from a few years earlier…. in a report on London hospitals footage from inside an Italian ICU.

Just watched a Channel 4 report with a SAGE person relating how admissions included a high number of women aged 18 – 60. No big challenge from presenter. How many were 18? How many had pre-existing conditions? How many were nosocomial infections among existing patients? The thrust of the narrative is channelled in one direction by the presenters never mind the ‘experts’.

218896 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Jonathan Smith, 4, #1031 of 2120 🔗

Admissions = people with positive PCR – so meaningless as to constitute a blatant lie

218930 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 2, #1032 of 2120 🔗

That’s the key metric – the gradual elision of admissions who have a positive PCR test at some point with the idea of ‘Covid admissions’.

Essentially dishonest.

219077 ▶▶▶ Sylvie, replying to Jonathan Smith, 1, #1033 of 2120 🔗

I wonder how many of those women 18 – 60 had a pre existing condition called pregnancy? And got tested on admission?

218983 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to RickH, 3, #1034 of 2120 🔗

The “temporary mortuaries” were true…but they were not full of people who died of covid. They were full of all the thousands of extra people who died at home because they couldn’t get the treatment they needed.

218995 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 2, #1035 of 2120 🔗

Italy has a tradition of burial, as opposed to cremation. So when cremation was recommended there was a lack of capacity in the crematoria (as they don’t have that many crematoria to start with).Another reason for the backlog..

218760 jhfreedom, replying to jhfreedom, 17, #1036 of 2120 🔗

Given how we underfunded hospitals over the last 20 years, it was inevitable that a pandemic might overwhelm us. The point is we made this choice to not have any spare healthcare capacity already.

To ‘spare the hospitals’ only to push other, new deaths into other areas out of sight is not a morally superior choice. The media are complicit in their sensationalising of individual Covid cases (particularly younger ones), ignoring the thousands of people dying at home of undiagnosed cancer or cardiovascular disease, or suicide.

Given a choice between the body bags heaping up in overwhelmed hospitals PLUS a functioning economy, versus deaths occurring out of sight at home, WITHOUT a functioning economy, I’ll take the hospitals being overwhelmed option any time.

And that’s if you believe they’ll be overwhelmed in the first place…

218779 ▶▶ Draper233, replying to jhfreedom, 9, #1037 of 2120 🔗

Agreed, but even based on the official narrative it begs the question: what the fuck have you been doing over the last 5 months?

218796 ▶▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to Draper233, 8, #1038 of 2120 🔗

Close relative runs medical supplies co, says hospitals have been empty since May. His impression was that Covid had gripped staff in a panic and they were refusing to open up as a result. Everyone was being paid of course.

218848 ▶▶▶▶ Draper233, replying to Yawnyaman, 3, #1039 of 2120 🔗

If that’s true, it’s incredible.

Logistically we’re now in peak period and most goods are imported from Asia, but commercial flights (which carry goods in the aircraft belly) have, of course, been decimated.

This supply bottleneck is generating sky high air freight rates, so only those with the deepest pockets will be able to pay and PPE, medical supplies etc. will obviously be prioritised over consumer goods.

No wonder they want to cancel Xmas, there’ll probably be no toys left on the shelves!

That said, another boon for Amazon.

218984 ▶▶▶▶▶ Draper233, replying to Draper233, #1040 of 2120 🔗

Just to correct myself, I meant to say:

Logistically we’re now in peak period and most goods are imported from Asia, but commercial passenger flights (which carry goods in the aircraft belly) have, of course, been decimated.

218905 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Yawnyaman, #1041 of 2120 🔗

I’ve seen a lot of staff who have been totally brainwashed. None that I’ve come across have been looking for an easy life whilst getting paid. They have simply been conditioned to see the situation in a prescribed way.

This shaping of perception is the dominant force – and is massively powerful.

Those who should be brought to account are at the highest levels of management who, like SAGE members, are essentially political appointees.

218846 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Draper233, 5, #1042 of 2120 🔗

I heard that the NHS had plans in place to cope with increased numbers in the Autumn, but the govt told them not to bother because the world-beating track and trace system would sort it all out.

I kid you not.

219184 ▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to A. Contrarian, #1043 of 2120 🔗

Not just them, all the GPs and other doctors who have been complicit in the withdrawal of normal healthcare.
They’ve all had a basic grounding in science and could have emulated Dr Malcom Kendrick for example.

218790 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to jhfreedom, 5, #1044 of 2120 🔗

Remember that due to the management efficiency of the NHS it will always be overwhelmed every winter.
Underfunded, – not convinced of that, we spend roughly average % of OECD countries on health.
Advantage the European countries that spend more have is that they operate a Social Insurance model which is much less bureaucratic, hence more responsive to local preferences and allows people to choose to spend more on their own health.
We would do ourselves a massive favour by moving to a German/ Austrian / Japanese/ Singaporean etc etc health care system.
Apart from anything else it becomes less of a political football.

218839 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Nessimmersion, 7, #1045 of 2120 🔗

Underfunded, – not convinced of that

It’s not , or, if it is, it wouldn’t be if they spent less of the budget spent on unnecessary managers and diversity/equality bullshit.

218886 ▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1046 of 2120 🔗

That’s right. Under the Tories, in contrast to the accusations, NHS spending has risen each year.

The trouble is not the gross figure. It’s where it gets spent. And also how much has increased indexed against inflation.

For example:

https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/projects/positions/nhs-funding

218921 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to mhcp, -7, #1047 of 2120 🔗

NHS spending has risen each year”

Indeed – but by less than needed to keep level.

… and no – it’s not all about expenditure on ‘administration’ – the usual Tory mythical comfort blanket from the party that is the prime mover of inefficiency and defender of crap management in the UK.

218913 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1048 of 2120 🔗

It is. The same gullibility that fuels the Covid response allows the double-think that comprehensive health provision comes for free.

As to basic funding mechanisms – there may be alternatives, but it has a long way to go to match the inefficiency of the US rip-off system, which produces less for far more

219175 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to RickH, #1049 of 2120 🔗

Thats why I said we need to move to a 1st world system like most other countries ignoring the outliers of the UK at one end and the USA at the other.

218819 ▶▶ Sceptical Lefty, replying to jhfreedom, 2, #1050 of 2120 🔗

Not overwhelmed. Just no rationing of treatment being carried out in the case of Covid.

218827 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to jhfreedom, 5, #1051 of 2120 🔗

Underfunded, or badly managed? I’ve heard a few things over the years to make me think the latter

218843 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to jhfreedom, 1, #1052 of 2120 🔗

Quite, but is there a mention of that anywhere? Why aren’t the govt challenged for not providing adequate surge capacity, especially after a whole summer to prepare? People are often lining the corridors in a “normal” winter and yet we have to pay the price now and “protect” the NHS which up until March this year the govt seemingly couldn’t give a stuff about.

218774 Danny, replying to Danny, 22, #1053 of 2120 🔗

Haven’t missed a single fireworks might with my parents in 40 years. My own grandfather, a world war 2 veteran used to thrill us and worry my parents, by lighting fireworks almost from his hand. He has passed now, but these days I get to include my daughter too. Watching her standing next to my Dad while I now light the fireworks is profoundly moving.
Yet another thing stripped away.
Usually our street is filled tonight with families and little kids all dressed up and having fun on Halloween. Our daughter is all dressed up as a friend is coming over, but the doorbell hasn’t rung once as people are all cowering in their homes, or perhaps just feeling guilted into not venturing out.
Might all sound trivial, but it’s the small stuff like this that leaves me with an almost crushing sadness.
Hateful times.

218788 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Danny, 3, #1054 of 2120 🔗

Should be able to sue for the loss of a whole year of one’s ‘normal’ life…

218818 ▶▶▶ dhpaul, replying to Carrie, 1, #1055 of 2120 🔗

Trouble is Carrie it would be just the first of many

218823 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Danny, 5, #1056 of 2120 🔗

Might all sound trivial…

It’s not, Danny; keep hold of those memories.

218775 Jonathan Smith, replying to Jonathan Smith, 33, #1057 of 2120 🔗

I cannot express how much I loathe and detest Channel 4 News. Just had to get that off my chest.

218798 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Jonathan Smith, 9, #1058 of 2120 🔗

Rather than watch the press conference, I’ve just found a 43 minute video on youtube, called ‘Game over: the Level playing field’, apparently about how Trump is standing in the way of the Great Reset. I’ll let everyone know if it’s any good and if it says anything about the UK..

218917 ▶▶ John P, replying to Jonathan Smith, #1059 of 2120 🔗

I do manage to get by without ever watching it, or any other MSM news channel. If enough people were to turn off they might change. (Slim hope, I know).

219025 ▶▶ Cambridge N, replying to Jonathan Smith, 3, #1060 of 2120 🔗

I do agree. Here’s a letting-off-steam rant from someone on Trustpilot (I’ve tidied up the grammar etc):

Channel 4 news is fake news – very low ratings Channel 4 news is fake news. Full of lefties and box tickers. [] Totally anti Trump and anti brexit. [] Does anyone watch this garbage now, very low ratings? Newman outclassed by Jordan Peterson, what a humiliation. No one watches these third rate hack left wing political activitists.”

218781 Rabbit, replying to Rabbit, 5, #1061 of 2120 🔗

Just listening to we’re not gonna take it by twisted sister, sadly most of the country are going to take it and more!

218831 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Rabbit, 1, #1062 of 2120 🔗

Or ‘Take me to the limit one more time’ by The Eagles.

218784 Yawnyaman, replying to Yawnyaman, 9, #1063 of 2120 🔗

Lol, OH has bbc news on, told me that I had better leave the room ASAP…

218837 ▶▶ JamesDrebin, replying to Yawnyaman, 14, #1064 of 2120 🔗

They just put Neil fucking Ferguson on the telly. After I had picked up my remote from the other side of the room and put the batteries back in, I turned it off. Absolutely offensive to put that shitheel on, considering its his lies that made all this possible.

218956 ▶▶▶ Draper233, replying to JamesDrebin, 5, #1065 of 2120 🔗

Can the BBC be charged with incitement for that?

218812 MutzNutz, replying to MutzNutz, -25, #1066 of 2120 🔗

Donald Trump is now saying that Dr’s in US are exaggerating Covid deaths for more money. Last time I heard this bollocks was from Judy Mikovits of ‘Plandemic’ fame.
To my mind thoroughly debunked in this video from apx 13 mins in. But worth watching in full.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWpjc1QZg84&t=1980s

218815 ▶▶ calchas, replying to MutzNutz, 2, #1067 of 2120 🔗

What was debunked?

218838 ▶▶ calchas, replying to MutzNutz, 6, #1069 of 2120 🔗

Additionally:

Reposting:

Point One:

Just think of those tens of millions without health insurance in the US, and all of those others strapped for cash to pay their deductibles.

Point Two:

covid treatment is free.

Point Three:

treatment for other diseases costs money

Point Four:

If a doc diagnoses another illness, the bill goes to the patient.

Point Five:

If a doc diagnoses covid, then the bill goes to the government.
————–
So, what do you think is going to happen?

..and that’s not including the premiums for covid treatment themselves.

218923 ▶▶ John P, replying to MutzNutz, 10, #1070 of 2120 🔗

And Trump is right.

Weird, I thought Trump would be terrible for the US when he was elected in 2016, and while he is inconsistent, he is his own man and sometimes comes out with gems like this.

I sincerely hope that Trump wins next week, despite his faults.

218964 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to John P, 4, #1071 of 2120 🔗

I saw a really interesting film on youtube the other day..basically following Trump from many years ago, all his statements on various matters, long before he ever even thought of running for president. It gives a lot of insight and a completely different picture of him than what the MSM choose to show…

219162 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Carrie, 1, #1072 of 2120 🔗

Try The Plot Aginst The President for a real eye opener on Obama/Biden’s corruption.

https://patpmovie.com/

218825 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 13, #1073 of 2120 🔗

BBC needs to fill time, so who they bring on – FERGUSON!!

218833 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Silke David, 5, #1074 of 2120 🔗

I know.

218845 ▶▶ Struan, replying to Silke David, 1, #1075 of 2120 🔗

That man needs to go on trail for what he’s done!

218906 ▶▶▶ Matthew Hancock Snifflesfinder-General, replying to Struan, 2, #1076 of 2120 🔗

Hopefully the Oregon Trail, where he can keel over from dysentery.

218852 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Silke David, 1, #1077 of 2120 🔗

Will they be taking questions after the conference?

218878 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Carrie, #1078 of 2120 🔗

Purely scripted ones.

218854 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Silke David, #1079 of 2120 🔗

Sir Alex??

218869 ▶▶▶ Draper233, replying to stefarm, #1080 of 2120 🔗

No, he was actually good at his job

218859 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Silke David, 2, #1081 of 2120 🔗

He will be first up at the trials when this is over.

218829 TT, replying to TT, 30, #1082 of 2120 🔗

I’ve been posting here for a while now, as one of those people who can’t recall ever posting online before. After seeing so many personal dramas on these pages, I decided to share some personal things, despite my reticence: maybe it can comfort someone who is in the same boat, or at least give an idea of where I am coming from.

My experience with the new sick system (calling it a ‘health system’ is too much credit) started when my dad, in his late 70s, had finally recovered from advanced bowel cancer at the start of this year, or so we thought. After a routine check-up revealed an issue with kidney function (a result of the pre-operation radio- and chemotherapy), it went from bad to worse, and soon we had no choice but to have him hospitalized, in full lockdown. He spent over two months alone there, no visits allowed. After much pleading we finally obtained a ‘special permit’ to visit. He was more or less a normal person when he entered, after 2 months we found him unshaved, with long shaggy hair like a hobo, pale, thin as a whistle and confused – he barely knew which day or month or year it was, or what was going on outside (my father had always been a very lucid person). For 2 weeks he had even been put in their ‘Covid unit’ after testing positive (the infection took place in the hospital – they admitted to that!). It was completely risible as he showed no C-symptoms at all, extremely weakened as he was, so after the obligatory circus he was retransferred to his regular ward. In the end he refused any further treatment, as none of it had helped one bit and he was tired of being a guinea pig. Against all expectations, he died from terminal kidney failure/bleeding after 4 months in the hospital.

Now my folks are very trusting of authority in general and the media, and my dad could be somewhat arrogant in defending them. Not a single time did he, or my mom, ever get angry. All the while I felt ever more enraged, both at the Covid scam and – sad to say – at my family for condoning it. In addition, I found most of the hospital staff extremely callous and unconcerned; the whole thing felt fishy somehow. In my dad’s final death throes, which seemed to take forever, the staff couldn’t even be bothered to find a cot for my mom to lie down on during the nightly vigil (she’s in her late 70s), nor to find a more elegant solution than an open pot under the bed to catch the blood from his kidneys dripping out of a catheter (my mom tends to faint at the sight of a drop of blood!). I can’t emphasize enough how hard it was to see my dad, so trusting of the ‘medical establishment’, being basically left to rot; in the end I could see the bewilderment and fear in his eyes, but instead of getting mad he just resigned himself to dying.

The hospital that provided this fantastic standard of care is the very same hospital that was instrumental in driving the new lockdown, effective as from next Mon.; it’s always their doctors who appear on TV in ludicrous space suits bleating on about being ‘overwhelmed’ and not able to cope with the explosion of dubious ‘cases’. Now first of all you have to realize that hospitals are run as a business these days, and any unoccupied beds are soon scratched as a budgetary measure. ANY spike in demands on the health care system has therefore resulted in this kind of issue, as spare capacity has systematically been eliminated. A little disingenuous, then, to cry wolf over ONE hospital being full; in any case there was no sign of frantic activity in the period when I was there, and my dad said the same about the Covid ward (and that was in April-May, just saying…).

But it gets much better: this very same hospital is a university clinic run by the Free University of Brussels, the alma mater of the most holier-than-thou, politically correct, elitist-globalist ‘intellectuals’ who are the darlings of the media here, and a bastion of (continental, militant-atheist) freemasonry – this is a known fact, not paranoia.
Now for the interesting part (for you in the UK at least): imagine my surprise to find that the so-called Integrity Initiative (see https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Integrity_Initiative ), a shady policy/propaganda institute in the UK, created with the aim to ‘combat Russian disinformation’, was co-founded by… the same Free University of Brussels!! These guys raised somewhat of a fuss for having been instrumental in launching the rumour mill about the Russian involvement in the Trump campaign, and again in falsely discrediting the Biden rumours recently (obviously, it makes perfect sense to ‘combat Russian disinformation by spreading disinformation on the Russians..). Is it even legal for a ‘free’ (i.e. ‘independent’) university to engage in this kind of murky subversive activity?
In short: I am well past disgusted, and I’m sure that many of the shenanigans we are seeing daily are being coordinated from slimy cesspools such as this one.
Now tell me again I’m just being paranoid…

218865 ▶▶ calchas, replying to TT, 7, #1083 of 2120 🔗

I am sorry for your loss TT and for the awful circumstances accompanying it.

Fascinating information about the Integrity Initiative.

How is all of this going down in Belgium?

What’s the public mood?

218973 ▶▶▶ TT, replying to calchas, 4, #1084 of 2120 🔗

Public mood is hard to gauge as the media still portrays any dissident voice as extremists or right wing zealots (I really had to laugh when I read on here lately that your Mr Dellingpole was called a ‘leftie’ for not wearing a mask…that would be a novel experience!). Most here can’t countenance the MSM being corrupt, and have no idea where else to find information. The media really have a crushing responsibility in all this.Mask compliance here in Brussels is near-total, though nobody seems to look twice if you’re unmasked (even walked past some cops checking someone here yesterday without mask – not a glance…). All the hysteria about hospitals ‘overflowing’ has once again re-indoctrinated many who were beginning to doubt, only restaurant owners seem to get mad at last. A lot of sympathy for them around, but not much action, merely questioning the wisdom of locking down the hospitality sector but not the general narrative. No MSM coverage at all of the open letter from so many medical professionals that was posted here as well. The local anti-covidmania group has lodged a case against the measures and the judges were sympathetic; they at least heard their arguments, but the verdict is only somewhere end November (24th I think). All alternative voices are shouted down and ridiculed continuously by the ‘experts’ who make up the government task force (they have “no time for such arguments as they have a CRISIS to manage”, you can imagine the arrogance…). The one sensible member of said task force, who was against the mask mandate and questioned the sanity of more lockdowns and measures, has resigned this week as he was exhausted and consistently bullied and sidelined by the clique who make up the main public figures.
So it’s going down great: the general public, a cowed bunch of invertebrates and mussles (remember ‘mussles from Brussels’?), continue to swallow and gobble it all down like force-fed geese.

218836 The Filthy Engineer, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 10, #1085 of 2120 🔗

Something to lighten the mood:

“ H.M. EMBASSY
MOSCOW

Lord Pembroke
The Foreign Office
London

6th April 1943

My Dear Reggie,

In these dark days man tends to look for little shafts of light that spill from Heaven. My days are probably darker than yours, and I need, my God I do, all the light I can get. But I am a decent fellow, and I do not want to be mean and selfish about what little brightness is shed upon me from time to time. So I propose to share with you a tiny flash that has illuminated my sombre life and tell you that God has given me a new Turkish colleague whose card tells me that he is called Mustapha Kunt.

We all feel like that, Reggie, now and then, especially when Spring is upon us, but few of us would care to put it on our cards. It takes a Turk to do that.

(Signed)

Sir Archibald Clerk Kerr,
H.M. Ambassador.”

219142 ▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to The Filthy Engineer, #1086 of 2120 🔗

Thank you. A shaft of light indeed!!

218840 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 16, #1087 of 2120 🔗

It’s a lie fest on MSM TV.

Hoping the long delay is because Sunak has told Boris to fuck off.

218841 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to OKUK, 9, #1088 of 2120 🔗

A vain hope no doubt.

218847 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to OKUK, 7, #1089 of 2120 🔗

Isn’t Steve Baker a total shit? Didn’t they put him on the Privy Council? However, he has been bought and no longer puts the interests of the country first.

218881 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to OKUK, 4, #1090 of 2120 🔗

He talks a good fight but no action. Lightweight.

218899 ▶▶▶▶ Christopher, replying to OKUK, 1, #1091 of 2120 🔗

The chief whip probably reminded him that they still have those ” Very compromising photos of him “

219402 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to OKUK, #1092 of 2120 🔗

Of the highest order.

218853 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to OKUK, 2, #1093 of 2120 🔗

Indeed. He’s just been the good cop so he can eye up the top job for himself.

218861 ▶▶ Draper233, replying to OKUK, 4, #1094 of 2120 🔗

Nah, they’re probably getting their final instructions from Emperor Schwab.

218887 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to OKUK, #1095 of 2120 🔗

I think he’ll resign

218844 Nessimmersion, replying to Nessimmersion, 5, #1096 of 2120 🔗

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/549862
Petition Do not implement a second national lockdown or other restrictions this winter

In light of the latest Sage reports, I am asking the Government to guarantee there will be no second national lockdown or reimposing of other restrictions this winter.

Conservativewoman is carrying this as a seperate post.
Could the mods put this on the front page so it doesn’t get lost in the haystack please.

218868 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to Nessimmersion, 3, #1097 of 2120 🔗

Am sure no online petition has made any difference, ever.

218871 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to nickbowes, 1, #1098 of 2120 🔗

Its all publicity which can be used to beat them over the head with.
What is your alternative proposal?

218877 ▶▶▶▶ nickbowes, replying to Nessimmersion, #1099 of 2120 🔗

Not sure, direct action against the scum. I have signed many Govt online petitions over the last year or so – waste of time, hopefully this one might garner a better result ¬

218874 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Nessimmersion, 2, #1100 of 2120 🔗

If someone is on Twitter try to alert t4recovery, Dolan, Hitchens etc

218897 ▶▶ John P, replying to Nessimmersion, 1, #1101 of 2120 🔗

Write to your MP as well. I know it will probably make no difference, but it won’t do any harm.

218850 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 9, #1102 of 2120 🔗

These ridiculous computer models are what they want to base our lives on now, they believe in them implicitly, no critical thinking needed, ever again, they’re all mad.

218867 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Dan Clarke, 5, #1103 of 2120 🔗

It’s the 4th industrial revolution, computers will take over the world….pfftttttt. Shit in = shit out

218937 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to stefarm, #1104 of 2120 🔗

at least we can pull the plug out

219022 ▶▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #1105 of 2120 🔗

Won’t have to. When full “Green” policies are implemented. The power cuts from renewables plus the demand on the national grid will suffice.

219381 ▶▶ ianric, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #1106 of 2120 🔗

A point was made on youtube that real pandemics don’t require dodgy computer models. If after seven months there was clear evidence Covid was a deadly and dangerous disease, why does the government need to rely on dodgy predictions about how many will die.

218856 Wiss Chritty, replying to Wiss Chritty, 11, #1107 of 2120 🔗

Finding it hard to coney my contempt for the Cabinet and Sage members right now. Is it awful to wish cancer on their children and partners, to see them have their livelihoods and homes taken from them? I can’t think of anything that would give me greater pleasure now than watching that Commie despot Johnson weeping over the grave of a dead Wilfred. These people imposing these measures on us aren’t human and don’t deserve to be treated as so.

218902 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Wiss Chritty, 8, #1108 of 2120 🔗

I don’t wish it on their innocent children but I do wish that those who deny others employment or healthcare could suffer that fate themselves. I’m actively looking forward to some of the pro lockdown zealots on local social media whining in a few months that they’ve lost their jobs or their homes. Let’s be honest, they regularly tell us we deserve to get covid and should not be allowed any medical help if we do.

218942 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Wiss Chritty, #1109 of 2120 🔗

If you really will it..
https://thebornless.one/

218957 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Wiss Chritty, 2, #1110 of 2120 🔗

I would prefer to see Johnson dead and Wilfred alive. In any case by the time Wilfred grows up Johnson will probably have moved on to another woman half his age.

218863 langers, 15, #1111 of 2120 🔗

It is so disrespectful to the legion of small businesses that I suspect are about to be ruined, to keep them waiting to hear their fate.

218864 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 1, #1112 of 2120 🔗

Arsehole Peston with ‘leak’ of measures:

https://twitter.com/peston/status/1322562692771696640?s=21

218872 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Sarigan, 6, #1113 of 2120 🔗

Yes, the media know before parliament. Time for MPs to realise how irrelevant they are becoming and grow some balls.

218884 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Julian, 2, #1114 of 2120 🔗

And why Peston, of all people?

218893 ▶▶▶▶ Matt The Cat, replying to Carrie, 3, #1115 of 2120 🔗

Because he’s ….. oh naughty Matty Catty! I really mustn’t say!

218999 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Julian, #1116 of 2120 🔗

I can only conclude that they know, and they accept and embrace their own redundancy.

They are being paid and given the trappings of status. That’s enough for them.

218876 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Sarigan, 5, #1117 of 2120 🔗

Reward for being a good poodle

218895 ▶▶▶ Matt The Cat, replying to Cecil B, #1118 of 2120 🔗

That’s “good enough”!

218873 John P, replying to John P, 7, #1119 of 2120 🔗

Referring to Dr John Lee’s excellent points, his closing words and Will’s response:

“When they are cleared up, I have 10 more to consider, starting with the lack of any significant coverage of the alternative view point by our national broadcaster…

It’s because Ofcom issued ‘coronavirus guidance’ warning broadcasters to treat with extreme caution anyone questioning the health advice of the Government and the public health authorities.”

No, no. I don’t agree with this! The Ofcom guidelines may be the BBC’s excuse, but since when does a broadcaster slavishly stick to the government line? The BBC is supposed to have a degree of editorial independence. (It clearly doesn’t though).

Deborah Cohen has offered some scepticism. She can probably get away with it as she is medically qualified. Nick Triggle and apparently even Fergus Walsh have been a little sceptical.

This slavish toeing of the lockdown line is purely down to BBC management. They (for whatever reason) refuse to consider the alternatives. What could Ofcom do to them? If the BBC cared about editorial independence then they could defy Ofcom’s edict. The BBC has no excuse. None.

While I support the efforts of the Free Speech Union in challenging the Ofcom guidance I very much doubt it will make any difference to BBC output.

218891 ▶▶ Mark, replying to John P, 7, #1120 of 2120 🔗

since when does a broadcaster slavishly stick to the government line?

When it and its staff broadly agree with that line. For instance, the “guidance” on political correctness dogmas are almost never broken by mainstream broadcasters or journalists.

Same for coronapanic stuff.

218900 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Mark, 1, #1121 of 2120 🔗

Exactly. That’s what I mean.

218875 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 8, #1122 of 2120 🔗

This is what Peston thinks…

These are the measures to be announced by Prime Minister Boris Johnson at his 5 p.m. press conference, as I understand it. They will last until 2 December. And they are, in effect, a new ‘Tier 4’ that will be imposed for a month – initially to the whole of England – in a bid to curb a rise in coronavirus cases.

All pubs and restaurants are to close, though takeaways and deliveries will be permitted. All non-essential retail will close, though supermarkets won’t have to follow the Welsh example of fencing off non-essential goods. There will be no mixing of people inside homes, except for childcare and other forms of support. Manufacturing and construction will be encouraged to keep going.

Outbound international travel will be banned, except for work. Travel within the UK will be discouraged, except for work. Overnight stays away from home will be allowed only for work purposes, Courts, schools, and universities will remain open. Outdoor exercise and recreation will be encouraged. Private prayer will continue in places of worship, but not services.

It all starts at one second past midnight on Thursday. The regulations will be published in Tuesday, and MPs will vote on them on Wednesday. One source told me to consider the regulations as a Tier 4 for the whole of England.

After 2 December, the exit strategy is that different parts of the country will then have their local economies and behaviour governed by the existing tiers, namely Tiers 1 to 3, depending on how serious the virus is in these respective places.

218880 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, #1123 of 2120 🔗

Oops just seen this below.

218888 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to A. Contrarian, 13, #1124 of 2120 🔗

What is the point of announcing measures BEFORE Parliament has voted? Like Parliament is going to NOT vote them through when they’ve already been announced…

I’m presuming the slight delay is to prevent people being trapped in the UK if they are not currently there for work???

218963 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Carrie, 1, #1125 of 2120 🔗

That’s exactly the point, Carrie!

218894 ▶▶ Cotton, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #1126 of 2120 🔗

I have thought before that Victoria specifically and Australia in general were a dry run of what they thought they could get away with in terms of restricting the population. The answer was ‘anything they want’. So now we will not be able to travel unless with express permission – right now internationally, but soon I imagine that internal travel within England will be subject to permissions.

218903 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Cotton, 2, #1127 of 2120 🔗

I’m just wondering what conditions will be imposed on me in order to *enter* the UK after this time…?

What is the betting that the lockdown will NOT be lifted on 2nd December? Any word on that?

218920 ▶▶▶▶ Cotton, replying to Carrie, 5, #1128 of 2120 🔗

They are preparing it to never be lifted. Best to hope for is Tier 1. It’s clear now there is no intention to return to any form of what was previously normality.

218927 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Cotton, 1, #1129 of 2120 🔗

This is on Simon Dolan’s Twitter – email from Boris to MPs:

https://twitter.com/NatashaC/status/1322589624032727041/photo/1

218947 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cotton, replying to Carrie, 1, #1130 of 2120 🔗

What a fucking prick

218954 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Carrie, 4, #1131 of 2120 🔗

Thanks, Carrie.

So, it’s the same old BS; protect the NHS, saves lives, “feet, face, fanny”,etc.

Rapid testing! FFS!

You can’t test your way out of a pandemic. Carl Heneghan told Baker’s Science commitee similar to this earlier in the year.

219347 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cotton, #1132 of 2120 🔗

It’s up to us to return to ‘previous normal’, not them.

218879 Crazy Times, replying to Crazy Times, 8, #1133 of 2120 🔗

Just seen that decade of health advert on Sky News. I’d never seen it before. Health dystopia would be the best words to describe it. What a surprise it was to see the Bill and Melinda gates logo emblazoned across it at the end.

218890 ▶▶ wayno, replying to Crazy Times, 6, #1134 of 2120 🔗

I mentioned that the other day on here, makes my piss boil that advert.

218883 garry a, replying to garry a, 5, #1135 of 2120 🔗

What constitutes a hardware shop or a bike shop? These are two types of shops that are allowed to stay open. Could a fashion shop back the current bike trend by stocking a few bikes and components, and incidentally selling fashion? Could the lockdown sceptics network offer a legal viewpoint?

218898 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to garry a, 4, #1136 of 2120 🔗

I think I may have to sell bikes with outbound travel looking to be banned for a month. If they do not support the travel industry this time, there is no doubt in my mind they intend to destroy it.

218907 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sarigan, 6, #1137 of 2120 🔗

We’re going to have to go back to doing ‘takeaways’. Bastards, bastards …

218928 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to kh1485, 3, #1138 of 2120 🔗

Commiserations 🙁

218948 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to kh1485, 2, #1139 of 2120 🔗

So sorry to hear this, k. 🙁

218892 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 17, #1140 of 2120 🔗

I just finished emailing the entire 1922 Committee. A full list of the current members:

  • Sir Graham Brady (Acting Chair)
  • Dame Cheryl Gillan (Joint Vice-Chair)
  • Sir Charles Walker (Joint Vice-Chair)
  • Bob Blackman (Executive Secretary)
  • Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown (Treasurer)
  • Kemi Badenoch
  • Sir Bernard Jenkin
  • John Lamont
  • Pauline Latham
  • Jeremy Lefroy
  • Sheryll Murray
  • Mark Pawsey
  • Alec Shelbrooke
  • John Stevenson
  • Bill Wiggin
  • William Wragg

email addresses on Parliament.uk

218904 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Basileus, 7, #1141 of 2120 🔗

Thank you. I’ve e-mailed my MP (one of the ones on this list) but owing to her increasingly supercilious replies, I am done with her.

218915 ▶▶▶ DocRC, replying to kh1485, 3, #1142 of 2120 🔗

I think she’d done with me, too. No reply to my last few emails and she has never replied to any in which I make any scientific points!

218924 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to DocRC, 8, #1143 of 2120 🔗

Too busy climbing the greasy pole no doubt. Apparently, her visit earlier in the week to the BID woman was to discuss (hollow laugh here) how to assist the hospitality businesses in the town. I suppose she could start by not advocating that they be shut down. As ever, despair …

218929 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to kh1485, 6, #1144 of 2120 🔗

And, wouldn’t it have been courteous of her to actually visit one such hospitality business – i.e. the one whose door she walked past. Her arrogance astounded me. They don’t give an effing toss.

219511 ▶▶▶▶ petgor, replying to DocRC, #1145 of 2120 🔗

Welcome to the club. My MP is Tobias Ellwood who still doesn’t understand why his attachment to Mrs May has deprived him of another ministerial appointment.

218925 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to kh1485, 4, #1146 of 2120 🔗

At present we should not be particularly concerned about their replies. We need to present them with a large volume of mail so that they can see they have a problem. Just fire off as many as you can.

218934 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Basileus, 2, #1147 of 2120 🔗

I don’t trust myself right now, I am so damned angry.

218941 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to kh1485, 2, #1148 of 2120 🔗

Go for it.

219263 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Basileus, #1149 of 2120 🔗

Just done it. I can’t let this latest bollocks go unchallenged.

218936 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to kh1485, 3, #1150 of 2120 🔗

It can do no harm to try.

218933 ▶▶ John P, replying to Basileus, 2, #1151 of 2120 🔗

First and third on that list are two of the most prominent parliamentary lockdown sceptics.

I don’t know about the others, but I hope those two at least are roasting Johnson this weekend.

218960 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to John P, 4, #1152 of 2120 🔗

“the most prominent parliamentary lockdown sceptics

That’s a f.ing low bar! 🙂

…even the most supple limbo dancer would be hard pressed to get under it.

218992 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to RickH, #1153 of 2120 🔗

I grant you they’re not in Sir Des’ league, but Sir Charles Walker has shown some anger in the Commons.

218965 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to Basileus, 1, #1154 of 2120 🔗

Excellent work Basilius. Please keep us posted on how you get on. Regards, Arnie.

218982 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Basileus, 1, #1155 of 2120 🔗

Good idea. To save you a bit of leg-work, below is a list of email addresses to copy into your email client (couldn’t find Jeremy Lefroy). Make sure to use the BCC field if you can so that they can’t easily see that it went to a group:

altsale@parliament.uk ;cheryl.gillan.mp@parliament.uk;charles.walker.mp@parliament.uk;bob.blackman.mp@parliament.uk;cliftonbrowng@parliament.uk;kemi.badenoch.mp@parliament.uk;bernard.jenkin.mp@parliament.uk;john.lamont.mp@parliament.uk;pauline.latham.mp@parliament.uk;sheryll.murray.mp@parliament.uk;mark.pawsey.mp@parliament.uk;alec.shelbrooke.mp@parliament.uk;john.stevenson.mp@parliament.uk;bill.wiggin.mp@parliament.uk;william@williamwragg.org.uk

219626 ▶▶▶ janis pennance, replying to TheBluePill, #1156 of 2120 🔗

Thank you , just mailed them all along with my own MP

218909 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 17, #1157 of 2120 🔗

“Outbound private travel to be banned”.
If my elderly father in Germany gets seriously ill, no-one will keep me from travelling!

218918 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Silke David, 9, #1158 of 2120 🔗

A client of mine has not been able to get to Australia in time to see her father before he passed away. Denied compassionate grounds to avoid quarantine and could not afford £9k flight ticket.

218922 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Sarigan, 5, #1159 of 2120 🔗

Truly terrible!

218919 ▶▶ Arkansas, replying to Silke David, 5, #1160 of 2120 🔗

He could hire you as his carer for 1 EUR.

219466 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Silke David, #1161 of 2120 🔗

I completely fail to understand this. How can one possibly endanger anyone in Britain by leaving the country?

218910 Julian, replying to Julian, 33, #1162 of 2120 🔗

Recovery doing some polling, published in the Mail

BREAKING: New poll by Recovery shows that almost three out of four people (71%) are more concerned by the impact of lockdowns and restrictions than catching Covid-19

https://twitter.com/T4Recovery/status/1322530560120639491

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8899147/Three-four-worried-impact-lockdown-catching-coronavirus-poll-finds.html

A good approach – some truthful opinion polls

218914 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Julian, 6, #1163 of 2120 🔗

Great!

218935 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Julian, 4, #1164 of 2120 🔗

Thanks, Julian.

So much for Boris’s bullshit that the Telegraph posted last night:

Mr Johnson believes the public is ready to accept tougher restrictions.

Another Cabinet minister said: “The polling shows that the public are already there – they know that this is going to be difficult for a while and they are supportive of the measures.”

218976 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1165 of 2120 🔗

The polls were designed to get the answer the government wanted. It was a circular manipulation system.

218946 ▶▶ Draper233, replying to Julian, 10, #1166 of 2120 🔗

Excellent news, finally the public are waking up.

Pat on the back to everyone on here for spreading the word.

218931 Stuart, 9, #1167 of 2120 🔗

Welsh National Socialists are in disarray as the Borisian Diktat is tightening the noose just when they were hoping, with much fanfare, to slacken it off a little.

What to do? What to do? Ban English visitors forever?

218945 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 27, #1168 of 2120 🔗

BBC live feed:

PM has ‘very difficult choices to make’ – Baker

The Conservative MP and former minister Steve Baker says the PM has “very, very difficult choices to make”.

He urged the public and MPs to “listen extremely carefully” to what Boris Johnson says this evening and over the coming days.

Speaking after a briefing with scientists in Downing Street this afternoon, he described the meeting as an “opportunity to robustly scrutinise the arguments, the data, the forecasts of where we’re going”.

But he told journalists he does not know what Johnson will say tonight.

Asked whether there would be a lockdown, Mr Baker said: “The truth is there’s more nuance. Like you, I need to look at what the PM says.”

He added: “In the end, we’re going to come out of this with a smile on our faces and it’s going to be ok.

“But in the next few days, weeks and months it’s going to be very tricky.”

Tricky? Is he fucking joking?!

Easy for him to say when he’s on close to 100 grand a year.

218951 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Ceriain, 13, #1169 of 2120 🔗

“Tricky decisions”? Let me just get my teeny tiny violin out. And while we’re at it, let’s all spare a thought for the Prime Minister’s money worries shall we, poor lamb.

218952 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Ceriain, 5, #1170 of 2120 🔗

Weasel… If he does not know what BJ is going to say, then why does he say to listen carefully? (which would imply there is going to be a subliminal message of some sort)

Has the conference started yet?

218970 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Carrie, 1, #1171 of 2120 🔗

Supposed to be 6:30pm, Carrie.

218953 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1172 of 2120 🔗

Seen it, what a none statement it was. Not worth the energy to form the words.

218991 ▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to Ceriain, #1173 of 2120 🔗

Makes it sound like the Run-DMC song rather than something that will destroy our country even further.

219001 ▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1174 of 2120 🔗

100,000 is just the basic for the income tax forms he will make loads more than that

219118 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1175 of 2120 🔗

A great deal more than 100k when you take into account all the perks and allowances. Lords and Commons cost 750k per MP.

218949 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 7, #1176 of 2120 🔗

It is official. Government to announce plans for a new lockdown starting next Thursday until December 2nd. MPs to vote on these new measures, so make sure your MP gets an earful.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/oct/31/uk-coronavirus-boris-johnson-to-give-press-conference-on-new-lockdown-live-news

Perhaps this is a good time to sign petitions against lockdown. Here’s one someone posted here in the comments. Don’t know if there are others, perhaps bigger petitions.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/549862

218955 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 8, #1177 of 2120 🔗

Hairdressers are going to be very busy for the next few days…

Burn Boris effigy on Bonfire night?

219125 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Carrie, 1, #1178 of 2120 🔗

And hold a memorial service for Guy Fawkes.

219169 ▶▶▶ Bumble, replying to Carrie, #1179 of 2120 🔗

Delete the effigy bit. Torch Boris.

218990 ▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 13, #1180 of 2120 🔗

That’s my petition – in my own way I’m quite chuffed as I’ve seen it posted all over Twitter as well! I did submit it yonks ago but glad to see it’s picked up traction.

218994 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to nocheesegromit, 4, #1181 of 2120 🔗

Bravo NCG!!!! Sometimes it takes a while for a seed to start to grow. You should absolutely be chuffed to bits with yourself.

219007 ▶▶▶ Draper233, replying to nocheesegromit, 1, #1182 of 2120 🔗

Signed!

219209 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 1, #1183 of 2120 🔗

But i think it’s clear that public opinion has shifted greatly. Here are the idiotic questions asked by the spineless lackeys at the Guardian:

What took you so long to introduce national measures?

Was your failure to follow Sage advice the wrong call?

Will a month of lockdown be enough?

How long would any extensions last? Is four weeks enough? Will the premier league stay running?

All of them questions designed to appease the angry masses. “We’re so lucky that they were reserved with the lockdown cause they could have introduced it sooner. We’re so lucky that we only get 4 weeks, it could have been longer. We’re so lucky that the government didn’t completely listen to Sage, it could have been worse. We’re so lucky that the premier league is still running, they could have shut it down.” All of it confirming that which we already knew: the media is a propaganda machine. It does not work in the interest of the people any longer.

218958 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 20, #1184 of 2120 🔗

The dictator is about to save us from something that doesn’t exist

That’s politics

218968 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Cecil B, 6, #1185 of 2120 🔗

Something had to be done about the recent Oceania’s offensive.

On this subject, why did the Sky analyst (put a c in after the l for all the use they were) fail to even mention excess deaths.

218959 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 7, #1186 of 2120 🔗

20,000 teachers, lecturers and support staff across this country have joined our call to #closetheschools in event of a national lockdown in 1 hour.

You can support the call, but I don’t think you will want to. I filled in the form on the web page but used the email address’idonotsupportyourcall@’ as there is no space for comments.

https://t.co/fENZFmqDky?amp=1

218962 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Basileus, 25, #1187 of 2120 🔗

PS. I am a teacher and I think the union are a disgrace.

218967 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Basileus, 21, #1188 of 2120 🔗

I just filled in every box with ‘Do your fucking job!’

218975 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Ceriain, 5, #1189 of 2120 🔗

Likewise

218987 ▶▶ Sceptic in Oxford, replying to Basileus, 6, #1190 of 2120 🔗

This government is so awful, even at politics, they haven’t yet realised that if they lockdown, teaching unions will point to the stats on transmission in schools as justification close. I cannot believe how absolutely appalling they are, even at politics.

219014 ▶▶ James007, replying to Basileus, 1, #1191 of 2120 🔗
219321 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to James007, #1192 of 2120 🔗

Great minds think alike. 🙂

219319 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Basileus, #1193 of 2120 🔗

There is this contact form for the NEU head office –

https://neu.org.uk/form/contact-neu-head-office

218969 Fiona Walker, replying to Fiona Walker, 10, #1194 of 2120 🔗

Are any protests planned for Thursday? How do I find out?

219006 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Fiona Walker, 1, #1195 of 2120 🔗

Try Keep Britain Free forums
Also StandupX
There’s a facebook page too but sorry can’t remember her name

or go to your nearest town centre

219016 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Fiona Walker, #1196 of 2120 🔗

Theres onein llandudno my wife and I are going to. Hopefully many more round the country.

219200 ▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Fiona Walker, #1197 of 2120 🔗

Boo for Boris at 20:00?

218978 calchas, replying to calchas, 7, #1198 of 2120 🔗

So,

everybody ready to hear about the ‘fantastic’ NHS?

218981 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to calchas, 19, #1199 of 2120 🔗

There will be no clapping this time.

219064 ▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Fiona Walker, 5, #1200 of 2120 🔗

There was no clapping last time from me

218985 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to calchas, 13, #1201 of 2120 🔗

Cant wait, they had 8 months to work it out between them all, government/PHE/SAGE and the NHS. WTF have SAGE been doing to get them ready, I’ll tell you what, looking at their share options and bank balances and SFA apart from that and the odd look at a pantsdown graph

218979 Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 29, #1202 of 2120 🔗

‘Unions representing teachers and university lecturers are calling for schools to be closed and lectures to be moved online in the event of a a national lockdown in England.’

Sack the lot of them.

My daughter’s teacher and her colleagues are doing an excellent job in keeping their school open and as normal for the kids as possible.

Get rid of any so-called teachers who put themselves before the kids and students.

218993 ▶▶ Draper233, replying to Mr Dee, 5, #1203 of 2120 🔗

That said, closing schools will provoke more anger and scepticism amongst the general public.

We still need far more anger and resistance.

219369 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Draper233, 1, #1204 of 2120 🔗

Yes, it’s got to the point now where it might actually be a good thing if schools close, because it will start to cause major problems with running the country. The only reason the schools are open is because the government does not want half the workforce having to stay at home. It sounds harsh but the only way people are going to wake up to what is happening is if vital services start being affected.

218980 Morris_Day, 14, #1205 of 2120 🔗

Since the 31st of May, 16 people have died with a positive Covid test in my City, total deaths 405. In the last three months, 5, total deaths 254. Over 150k population. Is this really a proportionate response? Why is shuttting schools even discussed?

218988 Iansn, 2, #1206 of 2120 🔗

Hashish Joshi, ranting away on Sky whats he smoking???

218989 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 21, #1207 of 2120 🔗

“Universities stay open” is not quite correct, is it?
One should say student accommodation stays open.

219013 ▶▶ Steve, replying to Silke David, 4, #1208 of 2120 🔗

Yeah, not really sure online only lectures counts as universities staying open…

218996 nocheesegromit, replying to nocheesegromit, 31, #1209 of 2120 🔗

Would just like to say a huge thanks to everyone that posted messages of support RE: suicide attempt by one of my friends. I keep meaning to get round to them but snowed under at the mo.

Had more bad news today – Dad has been diagnosed with prostate cancer. The thought of him not getting the treatment he’s supposed to be having at the end of the month/early 2021 makes me want to scream. I can’t lose my dad when he’s still so young 🙁

219000 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to nocheesegromit, 7, #1210 of 2120 🔗

Keep coming here…. sending more hugs
x

219004 ▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to nocheesegromit, 11, #1211 of 2120 🔗

Just awful news on all fronts! My thoughts are with you. It must be hard, but do stay strong and remember that yourself, your friend and your Dad are far better people than the scum that are attempting to destroy our lives.

219009 ▶▶ AllieT, replying to nocheesegromit, 6, #1212 of 2120 🔗

Sorry to hear this. Make as much fuss as poss for your Dad get on the phone to his surgery and ask about schedule for his treatment.

219011 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to nocheesegromit, 8, #1213 of 2120 🔗

Our thoughts and prayers are with you. Stay strong x

219012 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to nocheesegromit, 7, #1214 of 2120 🔗

Dear nocheesegromit, I hope your father can get treatment, a lot of men live quite normal for a lot of years!

219927 ▶▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to Silke David, #1215 of 2120 🔗

Thank you – that’s what I’m hoping too as my grandpa was diagnosed in his 50s but lived to 86 🙂

219020 ▶▶ DRW, replying to nocheesegromit, 5, #1216 of 2120 🔗

I really feel for you Gromit, my middle-aged mum is very ill and unlikely to last the year. Stick with us, we’re all here for each other.

219045 ▶▶ davews, replying to nocheesegromit, 4, #1217 of 2120 🔗

Having been treated for prostate cancer a few years ago all I can say is if it caught and treated earlier enough in most cases it is very curable. Don’t despair. But if treatment is delayed due to the current issues then it is anybody’s guess.

219056 ▶▶ RickH, replying to nocheesegromit, 4, #1218 of 2120 🔗

Prostate cancer is eminently treatable. Keep insisting on it.

219062 ▶▶ wayno, replying to nocheesegromit, 5, #1219 of 2120 🔗

Be hopeful dude my dad has prostate cancer, it’s manageable, hopefully it’s early and it’s just the 12 week injection. My dad’s is in his spine and bones but he’s psa count is below 1 with meds. He’s 81 and had it for at least 5 years. Chances are he will die with it rather than from it. Chin up.

219098 ▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to nocheesegromit, 2, #1220 of 2120 🔗

So sorry to hear this

219314 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to nocheesegromit, 1, #1221 of 2120 🔗

Oh no, sorry. Have they actually said no immediate treatment possible despite him needing it?

219920 ▶▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to jhfreedom, #1222 of 2120 🔗

No, it’s just my fear considering the huge backlog of patients and the new lockdown today 🙁

219376 ▶▶ TT, replying to nocheesegromit, 1, #1223 of 2120 🔗

You have all my sympathy – I can relate to how you feel, I hope your dad pulls through !

219394 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to nocheesegromit, 1, #1224 of 2120 🔗

NoCheese you have my prayers and thoughts. If there is anything that I can do to help, even if it’s just to lend an ear just pm me.
Do NOT let the buggers get you down. Arnie.

219547 ▶▶ janis pennance, replying to nocheesegromit, 1, #1225 of 2120 🔗

Oh shite, awful news , really hard to deal with

219003 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 5, #1226 of 2120 🔗

6:48pm and no sign of the dick*!

*Apologies to all Puss in Boots panto fans everywhere.

219018 ▶▶ Nic, replying to Ceriain, #1227 of 2120 🔗

Something happening to delay it do long .

219023 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Nic, 3, #1228 of 2120 🔗

Taking a while to fiddle all the graphs

219005 AllieT, replying to AllieT, 7, #1229 of 2120 🔗

Get on with it I want to watch strictly!!!!!!! 👎 😖

219030 ▶▶ DRW, replying to AllieT, 4, #1230 of 2120 🔗

If we really were in trouble we wouldn’t be filming Strictly.

219010 jhfreedom, replying to jhfreedom, 39, #1231 of 2120 🔗

I can’t watch these murderers destroying the country live on TV

219017 ▶▶ ziggee, replying to jhfreedom, 10, #1232 of 2120 🔗

Me neither.

219132 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to ziggee, 2, #1233 of 2120 🔗

lol, snap!

219027 ▶▶ DRW, replying to jhfreedom, 6, #1234 of 2120 🔗

Nope, don’t give them the viewing ratings.

219029 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to jhfreedom, 7, #1235 of 2120 🔗

The word “exponential” already wheeled out …

219073 ▶▶▶ Biggles, replying to kh1485, 6, #1236 of 2120 🔗

I think they need to define ‘exponential’ because where I live ‘cases’ are down by 35

219538 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to kh1485, 3, #1237 of 2120 🔗

Exponential now means whatever you want it to.

219127 ▶▶ ambwozere, replying to jhfreedom, 3, #1238 of 2120 🔗

I’ve never watched them.

219130 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to ambwozere, 2, #1239 of 2120 🔗

Me neither.

219015 Adam, replying to Adam, 10, #1240 of 2120 🔗

Johnson must go and now

219042 ▶▶ Hubes, replying to Adam, 7, #1241 of 2120 🔗

To prison

219021 Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 6, #1242 of 2120 🔗

Rumours of Rishi Sunak resigning …

anyone else come across this?

219033 ▶▶ Al T, replying to Ozzie, 6, #1243 of 2120 🔗

If he has, then he’s the only one in this carnival of fools with any integrity

219037 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Ozzie, 7, #1244 of 2120 🔗

No.

But if true – it ain’t principle. It’s strategy – or he wouldn’t be here now.

219637 ▶▶ William Gruff, replying to Ozzie, #1245 of 2120 🔗

Any rumours of him returning to India?

219024 ziggee, replying to ziggee, 20, #1246 of 2120 🔗

Do you get the feeling there’re making it up as they go along.

219031 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to ziggee, 9, #1247 of 2120 🔗

Can’t even see the titles or axis on the charts. Fucking amateurs.

219071 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to TheBluePill, #1248 of 2120 🔗

I thought it was just me as I am watching via iplayer on my laptop!

219386 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to ziggee, 1, #1249 of 2120 🔗

Yes but no. You are meant to think this. Behind it is steel. This is deliberate and being played out with cold deliberation. Welcome to the decade of death, sorry I meant The Great Reset.

As for DecadeOfHealth… Hmm…

219028 Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 22, #1250 of 2120 🔗

Nothing to see with these charts and graphs. They are now resigned to guestimates from ICL modeling. Total shite.

219038 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 6, #1251 of 2120 🔗

Some of the models have confidence boundaries that don’t overlap with other models. A clear sign that they are bullshit.

219046 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to TheBluePill, 4, #1252 of 2120 🔗

Yes, Mr TT is a statistician/modeler and has pointed to weird distribution to get those confidence intervals.

219040 ▶▶ Crazy Times, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 5, #1253 of 2120 🔗

I literally don’t understand what they are trying to say. It’s just projections and guesses. Seems designed to send everyone off to sleep before Boris trashes the economy for good.

219092 ▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #1254 of 2120 🔗

Interesting that they no longer publish their NHS dashboard ‘case’ figures, presumably as they are no longer telling the correct story..

219315 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #1255 of 2120 🔗

guestimates

I think you mean lies

219351 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #1256 of 2120 🔗

Was Michael Mann a consultant for the modelling team?

219034 Hubes, 22, #1257 of 2120 🔗

Fuck off Boris.

219035 Gladiatrix, 19, #1258 of 2120 🔗

I have emailed my MP demanding he starts asking and answering questions. Also emailed Laura Kuenssberg about her scaremongering this evening.
Witless currently lying on national television while living high on the publicly funded hog. Claiming figures rising and can’t do nothing, bullshit everywhere. Hospitals allegedly reaching a peak admissions number, and number of deaths.
Unbalanced taking over, still no acknowledgement of the actual percentage of the population infected or dying i.e 0.07%. Assumptions about the R number, potentially 2x as bad as first wave. Cobblers.

219036 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 4, #1259 of 2120 🔗

Whitty:” He says the prevalence of Covid has been going up “extremely rapidly” over the last few weeks” – having been “very flat” due to social distancing measures in the spring and summer.”

219041 ▶▶ JME, replying to p02099003, 6, #1260 of 2120 🔗

How does he think he can get away with such an obvious lie? Surely the general public aren’t that stupid!

219050 ▶▶▶ Hubes, replying to JME, 10, #1261 of 2120 🔗

Oh they are.

219049 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to p02099003, 6, #1262 of 2120 🔗

There were fewer measures in the summer than there are now!!!

219076 ▶▶▶ JME, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1263 of 2120 🔗

Ah, but that’s when they introduced mandatory masks- made all the difference!

219104 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to JME, 5, #1264 of 2120 🔗

Exactly. That mask study from Denmark MUST be published!

219053 ▶▶ DRW, replying to p02099003, 1, #1265 of 2120 🔗

So it’s our fault for “not following the rules”.

219610 ▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to DRW, #1266 of 2120 🔗

No, it’s your parents’ fault for producing a child too intelligent to be fooled by bullshit.

219059 ▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to p02099003, 7, #1267 of 2120 🔗

I salute you for having the stomach to actually watch this drivel.

219110 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Now More Than Ever, 1, #1268 of 2120 🔗

Me too. Taking one for the team is very admirable

219082 ▶▶ dpj, replying to p02099003, 11, #1269 of 2120 🔗

If you replace ‘covid’ with ‘flu’ it shows what a lot of nonsense he is saying. Cases of flu dropped over the summer LIKE THEY DO EVERY YEAR and have gone up in September and October LIKE THEY DO EVERY YEAR. It is nothing to do with masks or lockdown rules. Are we supposed to believe that this new supervirus is just as prevalent all year round?

219101 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to p02099003, 12, #1270 of 2120 🔗

Social distancing in the summer? What about those crowded beaches and everything else in the summer, also demonstrations? No mass death as a result…

219117 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Carrie, 6, #1271 of 2120 🔗

The past has been altered. We all behaved perfectly over the summer. Covidiots on beaches didn’t happen, you’re confused. It’s only since September that we’ve all started being naughty again.

219245 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to p02099003, 1, #1272 of 2120 🔗

Nothing to do with increased testing….or made up results whilst taking the money…

219604 ▶▶ William Gruff, replying to p02099003, #1273 of 2120 🔗

Whitty pays more attention to his share prices than to the deaths of those his policies have killed.

219047 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 17, #1274 of 2120 🔗

“scenarios”, “models” “assumptions” “if” “if” “if”

So, it’s all fucking guesswork!

219058 ▶▶ Crazy Times, replying to Ceriain, 22, #1275 of 2120 🔗

I prefer the term “fucking lies”

219063 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Crazy Times, 8, #1276 of 2120 🔗

Correct! My apologies.

219379 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1277 of 2120 🔗

No its a plan.
Just not a plan that we are privy to.
Welcome to the Great Reset.
Are you having fun yet?.. Me neither…

219591 ▶▶ William Gruff, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1278 of 2120 🔗

Not at all dear boy <polite titter in ridicule> AHEM <polite cough into delicate handkerchief>. No! No, no, no, no, no. Not at all. The risks are very carefully calculated with an equation based on the amounts paid to the wholly independent and disinterested scientists, by the those public spirited mega multi billionaires motivated not by any thought of enriching themselves yet further but by a deep desire to share the wealth they happen to make, divided by the sum of the risks of loss of global control and wealth generating opportunities those mega multi billionaires face if people are allowed to think for themselves.

It’s business, not guesswork.

See?

219048 Fiona Walker, 34, #1279 of 2120 🔗

Can we have some similar graphs and projections showing business closures, unemployment, lost tax, suicides, family breakdown, mental health etc?

219052 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 4, #1280 of 2120 🔗

Speaking about people in hospital with Covid, Prof Whitty says: “If we do nothing, the inevitable result will be that these numbers will go up and they will eventually exceed the peak we saw in spring of this year.”

219065 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to p02099003, 9, #1281 of 2120 🔗

Shutting businesses will surely improve infection control in the hospitals.

219111 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to p02099003, 13, #1282 of 2120 🔗

Will they go up and up forever? Why doesn’t flu go up and up forever, especially in poor vaccine years? Why aren’t we all permanently dead from respiratory infections every winter? Can he even form a rational thought?

219470 ▶▶ William Gruff, replying to p02099003, #1283 of 2120 🔗

How full was the Nightingale hospital / Millennium Dome at the last peak?

219054 Pat, 12, #1284 of 2120 🔗

If the first temporary lockdown worked* then there can be no need for a second.
If it didn’t then there is no reason to believe that a second one will.
If a permanent lockdown is required, then say so and fire everyone not needed in the now permanent lockdown.
*worked could mean saved the NHS, which has been underused all year, it could mean reduce the overall death rate to normal which was achieved in June and.has been maintained since.
Or it could mean eliminate Covid infections in which case a permanent cessation of travel into the country for any purpose will be needed to maintain it- bit difficult since we are a net importer of food and can’t stop people coming by dinghy.

219057 Chris Hume, replying to Chris Hume, 63, #1285 of 2120 🔗

I think actually the more hard core they go with ‘Lockdown’ the better. It needs to be savage and wild enough to bring the whole rotten carcass of lies and deceit down on their heads. Go for it Boris, do what Witless and Unbalanced want. Go for it! This will bring it all to a head, rather than the ‘death by a thousand cuts’ we are seeing at the moment. This is not March, there will be no furlough, no sitting in the garden drinking Prosecco on warm afternoons, no sense that ‘we’re all in this together’, no ‘clapping for the NHS’. This time there aren’t just a few of us saying that it is madness, there will be millions. The opposition is more organised (thanks Toby for your role in this), the facts are more widely appreciated and the narrative more questioned and taken apart than ever before. Go on fat boy, give us your best shot, I really want to see you come out swinging and give it everything. No half arsed mealy mouthed ‘tiers’ and all that. Full on, no holds barred, complete lockdown. Please.

219068 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Chris Hume, 7, #1286 of 2120 🔗

Agree Chris. To misquote Van Tam, Do tear the pants out of it, Boris!

219096 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 6, #1287 of 2120 🔗

Shit. Furlough extended for another month.

219114 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #1288 of 2120 🔗

Hasn’t the money tree lost all it’s leaves yet?

219522 ▶▶▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #1289 of 2120 🔗

The money tree is an evergreen; no matter how many lives are lost, or sacrificed in the hallowed banking groves of m[one]ythology, it never loses leaves and, like the mythical beanstalk, it grows and grows and grows, until some brave conspiracy theorist has the balls to cut it down.

219115 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #1290 of 2120 🔗

…To allow people to afford a turkey and a few presents?

219072 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Chris Hume, 3, #1291 of 2120 🔗

Be careful what you wish for, I don’t see how we can turn this around now, unless the end of furlough starts focusing minds.

219083 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Chris Hume, 11, #1292 of 2120 🔗

The next March through London (28th Nov) might be an interesting day!

219187 ▶▶▶ Nic, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #1293 of 2120 🔗

Yes if got to try to be there

219087 ▶▶ Hubes, replying to Chris Hume, 14, #1294 of 2120 🔗

Yes. It needs to be brutal. Not allowed out your house for any reason. Everything shuts including supermarkets. Turn the electric off. No tv. No internet. Make it a miserable experience for everybody including all those fucking awful celebrities. Give them 4 weeks of hell and see if they still want a fucking lockdown.

219090 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Chris Hume, 7, #1295 of 2120 🔗

Worse is better. Burn it down.

219350 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Chris Hume, 3, #1296 of 2120 🔗

Yes, my thoughts exactly. They are at the point now where every lash of the sailor’s back brings them closer to a mutiny.

219374 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to Chris Hume, 3, #1297 of 2120 🔗

I agree, the fuckers, sorry lockdown zealots, need to feel the pain of their beliefs. Unfortunately that includes us, the minority who are normal. Bring on the pain. I hope there are enough of us left to pick up the pieces once the fan has hit shit.

219642 ▶▶ Wayne Keogh, replying to Chris Hume, 1, #1298 of 2120 🔗

Well said, my thoughts exactly – these fuckers are digging their own graves!

219061 Biggles, 15, #1299 of 2120 🔗

I try to be positive so at least we can look forward to Toby or Will pulling this load of shite apart tomorrow.

219067 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 1, #1300 of 2120 🔗

Sir Patrick Vallance is speaking now and says some of the measures have eased the rate of growth but infections continue to rise.
He said experts created scenarios on the assumption the R rate stays at one over the course of the winter.
“What is clear from all the scenarios is the potential for this to be twice as bad or more compared to the first wave.”

219079 ▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to p02099003, 14, #1301 of 2120 🔗

Does Patty Vallance ever take a shit or does it come straight out of his mouth? How dare this aloof, unelected and insulated parasite dictate the fine detail of our lives?

219328 ▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, #1302 of 2120 🔗

I have his mobile number. Wondering what to do with it. The lying shit.

219587 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Sophie123, #1303 of 2120 🔗

Publish it. We do not need to leave messages, just call and hang up again. I have for the last 4 weeks had 2 to 3 calls a day, and IF I answer, they just hang up after a few seconds. Drives me crazy.

219677 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to Silke David, 1, #1304 of 2120 🔗

You don’t think he will just ditch his number? I was thinking of giving it to my brothers friend who cannot get his prostrate cancer treated thanks to the craven, lying, waste of skin. Let him give it to him with both barrels.

219453 ▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 1, #1305 of 2120 🔗

He’s sucked at the corporate tit for long enough and, having proved that he will salivate when the bell is rung by head office has been given the opportunity to make us all salivate at the prospect of being left to live our lives without interference.

I am one of the many who are salivating at the prospect of seeing the bastard kicking and choking at the end of a piano wire noose.

As a postscript, I will add that I am also one of the many who have not been curtain-twitched into refined behaviour and still use the delightful insult bedwetter to describe those who wet their beds, and perhaps shit their knickers, on command.

219086 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to p02099003, 3, #1306 of 2120 🔗

Lots of piss taking of his graphs going on

219088 ▶▶ Schrodinger, replying to p02099003, 9, #1307 of 2120 🔗

“Infections” look how even the terminology has been ramped up from ‘cases’ when they are clearly neither.

219156 ▶▶ John P, replying to p02099003, 1, #1308 of 2120 🔗

“potential” lol, God, it’s all just such utter bollocks!

219256 ▶▶ RickH, replying to p02099003, 1, #1309 of 2120 🔗

Trans. : ‘Gotta keep this going until I can harvest my shares in vaccines and testing.’

219069 Hubes, replying to Hubes, 18, #1310 of 2120 🔗

I hope the football will he stopped for a month. If there is a deadly pandemic out there as they claim then having 22 grown men chasing a ball around some grass for hours seems unnecessary. Oh wait no that will carry on as there is billions of pounds involved in it. Fucking drivel.

219085 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Hubes, 7, #1311 of 2120 🔗

…and Strictly. Might even get the BBC to actually start challenging.

219339 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Achilles, 2, #1312 of 2120 🔗

I watched ‘Eastenders’ yesterday to see if I could spot their ‘world class’ Covid safety measures on set. I was hoping to see people accidentally banging into perspex screens but it was just the same old tedious sh*te that it always was!

219577 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Cranmer, #1313 of 2120 🔗

Watch University Challenge and their idiotic screens between the students.

219573 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Achilles, 1, #1314 of 2120 🔗

I have just cancelled my Direct Debit for my TV license. I was reluctant, but after the drivel today, it was the last drop.

219578 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Silke David, #1315 of 2120 🔗

Well done you.

#DefundTheBBC

219598 ▶▶▶▶ Herenow, replying to Silke David, #1316 of 2120 🔗

Don’t forget you’ve also got to cancel the licence itself. And they sure don’t make it easy!

219957 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Herenow, #1317 of 2120 🔗

I don’t think that is correct, Herenow. If you cancel the DD, they’re not going to give you a licence for free, are they ?

219297 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Hubes, #1318 of 2120 🔗

Bread & circuses.

219078 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 32, #1319 of 2120 🔗

Lockdown, if you believe in it, is an emergency measure to give yourself time to develop a strategy in the face of a new threat. Lockdown isn’t a plan it’s what you do when you don’t have a plan. 6 months down the line and they still have no other strategy. That alone proves them incompetent and unfit for office even if you’re a lockdown believer.

219091 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Achilles, 3, #1320 of 2120 🔗

Like QE then

219094 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Achilles, 9, #1321 of 2120 🔗

What Giesecke said in March about the kockdown countries:
“I have no idea how they want to get out of this again. But fortunately, that’s not my problem.”

219097 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Achilles, 1, #1322 of 2120 🔗

Oh there is a plan, they’re still wedded to Pantsdown’s modelling.

219080 PoshPanic, 1, #1323 of 2120 🔗

Excel is trending by the looks of it. This must be the best Halloween ever for spread sheet perverts.

https://twitter.com/search?q=Excel&src=trend_click&vertical=trends

219081 AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 29, #1324 of 2120 🔗

Email just sent to my MP. Feel free to recycle. Cowards, the lot of them.

Dear [MP’s name]

Lockdowns don’t work.

There is another way, the path that Sweden is following.

I will never forget or forgive you or your party for following junk science by the likes of Neil Ferguson and in the process destroying our nation.

A response isn’t needed. Spend the time answering those who are unemployed, being made homeless, unable to get life saving healthcare, dealing with suicide and other collateral damage caused by your disproportionate popularity seeking interventions.

Regards

219113 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 4, #1325 of 2120 🔗

I would add that what Johnson and his cabinet are doing is the epitome of herd stupidity.

219331 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, #1326 of 2120 🔗

Jim Royle sums up Lockdown.

219084 DRW, 2, #1327 of 2120 🔗

Bet there’s no mention of any local numbers (as posted by Nick Rose) anymore…

219093 Lms23, 22, #1328 of 2120 🔗

https://mailchi.mp/tomwoods/sgupta?e=8e86beb5bb

“With Massachusetts seeing a rise in “cases,” I saw someone on Twitter lamenting that he and his fellow Massachusetts residents had “dropped the ball.”

Notice that this person cannot admit that the voodoo doesn’t work. It’s always because the peasants didn’t comply enough.

If you stupid people would just obey us, this thing would go away!

I understand why progressives might be attracted to this way of thinking:

(1) They hold a superstitious belief in the powers of the state — so if the state says it can wipe out a virus, who’s to say it can’t?
(2) It involves “experts” dictating to the stupid rubes, which is their preferred model of governance.
(3) It allows them to ridicule the working-class people they despise — why, if only these backward hicks would “follow the science,” we’d be out of this thing already!

But let’s face facts:
Lockdowns only delay the inevitable, and they leave wreckage in their wake.

(And forget about masks: as I’ve shown before, mask mandates have no discernible effect on the spread of the virus. If they were as effective as people say — e.g., if we’d just wear masks for six weeks, we’d be out of this! — there should be some obvious effect on the charts, but there just isn’t. Believe me, I wish masks could solve the problem so I could get the rest of my life back.)

Peru, Belgium, and the UK (to name three of many examples) had hard lockdowns, and high death rates. Belgium and the UK are locking back down, as is much of Europe.

The crazies, when faced with this data, try to claim that such-and-such country didn’t lock down early enough. It can’t be that lockdowns don’t work, remember. (It’s super-scientific to assume a priori that the approach works!) No, it’s always that those stupid people didn’t “listen to the science,” even though there is precisely zero “science” behind lockdowns. There’s no guidebook, no nothing. Lockdowns weren’t even a thing until 2020.

Now the same European countries whose insufferable intellectuals have been lecturing the U.S. for its handling of the crisis are seeking spikes in deaths again.

In Italy, and in the UK, and here and there in other places, at least some people are fighting back.

The last lockdown took everything they had. One video, which has gone viral, shows an Italian woman crying that she has lost everything and has nothing to feed her child.

I guess she’d better “listen to the science,” right?

What a sick, deranged cult this is.”
Tom Woods

219095 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 6, #1329 of 2120 🔗

So they will continue furlough. I am sure most companies who were going to shed staff with end of furlough have done it. Anyway, what’s the point of delaying redundancy by a month?

219100 ▶▶ Crazy Times, replying to Silke David, 2, #1330 of 2120 🔗

Kick it out till just before Christmas. Really cheer everyone up.

219149 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Crazy Times, #1331 of 2120 🔗

You think it will end in December?

219170 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to John P, 2, #1332 of 2120 🔗

Is the start on 5th November deliberate, like masks being introduced on the anniversary of the signing of the Magna Carta?

Is part of the aim of the lockdown to use the time to change the testing centres into forced isolation camps?

219181 ▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Carrie, 2, #1333 of 2120 🔗

Probably to stop people gathering for Bonfire night.

219289 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to John P, 1, #1334 of 2120 🔗

… to try to stop people gathering for Bonfire night.

219354 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to John P, 2, #1335 of 2120 🔗

An idea: On Bonfire night every family makes a bonfire in their front garden or out on the street and burns an effigy of Boris!

219358 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Foxglove, replying to Carrie, #1336 of 2120 🔗

Yes, that is exactly our plan.

219099 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 2, #1337 of 2120 🔗

He has just said that the rapid tests will be able to show whether you’re infectious.

219105 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to p02099003, 2, #1338 of 2120 🔗

Looking forward to that, remember how they pulled people out of their flats in China earlier this year?

219122 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Silke David, 4, #1339 of 2120 🔗

I can’t see how a rapid test can work. You can’t test for a bacterial infection without a laboratory to culture the bacteria. Viruses are notoriously difficult to quantify, you’re only infected if the virus is inside your cells. The test would have to detect and count only the infected cells to determine whether you’re infectious.

219148 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to p02099003, 1, #1340 of 2120 🔗

I think Boris is just getting confused. Although all medical terminology has been altered beyond recognition lately. Perhaps infectious no long means what it once did, just as ‘case’ ‘patient’, ‘sufferer’ and ‘disease’ no longer do.

219194 ▶▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Charlie Blue, #1341 of 2120 🔗

I suspect he meant infected, but can a quick test do something that an RT-PCR test can’t? How will these tests be calibrated ?

219990 ▶▶▶▶ JuttaW, replying to p02099003, #1342 of 2120 🔗

that reminds me of an interview from ’87 of Dr. Duesberg I read a few days ago concerning HIV. He explained it exactly like that, That man to this day has never seen a virus in any human and probably never will.

219109 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to p02099003, 10, #1343 of 2120 🔗

Don’t need a test for that. Are you showing symptoms? Yes? Then you are infectious.
No symptoms – you’re fine!

219137 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Carrie, 2, #1344 of 2120 🔗

of course your right, that would be a medical case and you wouldn’t need a test other than to confirm SARS-COV-2. The diagnosis would be, shock, horror, based on signs and symptoms. However, they’re still following the test, test, test mantra.

219366 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to p02099003, #1345 of 2120 🔗

In other words, we have given a shed load of money to a company to measure if you are breathing and we can’t go back on that.

219535 ▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to p02099003, #1346 of 2120 🔗

Are they the same ones Slovakia is apparently using? Because those have a 30% false negative rate, which I suppose is good in a way…

219102 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 14, #1347 of 2120 🔗

I find it hard to believe anything he said. It all sounds rubbish. And they all look shifty

219165 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #1348 of 2120 🔗

Especially Whitty; got ‘liar’ written all over his face! Bastard!

219267 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1349 of 2120 🔗

He almost looks as if someone’s taken his family hostage.

219348 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Cranmer, #1350 of 2120 🔗

Maybe he is being blackmailed?

219363 ▶▶▶▶ Christopher Bowyer, replying to Cranmer, #1351 of 2120 🔗

Deleted as misread the comment I was replying to, sorry 🙁

219903 ▶▶▶ Sue, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1352 of 2120 🔗

i wonder if whitless has a security detail to protect him… you can’t help but think that if he was out and about that someone would lay into him verbally/physically…

219103 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 6, #1353 of 2120 🔗

He’s gone back to the March slogan.

219107 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to p02099003, 3, #1354 of 2120 🔗

AAAARRRGGGGGHHHH!!!!!!
This made me nearly have a heart attack!

219138 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to p02099003, 2, #1355 of 2120 🔗

Which one? Stay Home. Stay Afraid. Protect my career?

219159 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to p02099003, 4, #1356 of 2120 🔗

Mrs C. (watching a film with headphones on) just jumped out of her seat when I screamed “bastard!” when he done that. 🙁

219106 Rosie, replying to Rosie, 30, #1357 of 2120 🔗

Letter sent a minute ago to my MP. I followed the advice of the person who suggested we write briefly and from the heart:

Ellie:

You know just as well as everyone else that lockdown kills more people than ‘covid’ does. Far more people.

It is destroying our lives.

You have a responsibility to work day and night for your constituents to put a stop to the restrictions.

One year ago we had a range of flu and cold viruses. There is NO CHANGE FROM LAST YEAR. Nothing needed to happen.

Do you want the little children to have a life and a future? To have friends and clubs and music and dance? Or do you want them to be suffocated behind masks that make people sick for the rest of their short and miserable lives?

For the love of God and our children – do what is right by the people and by truth right now.

219192 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Rosie, 3, #1358 of 2120 🔗

Excellent letter. Well done.

219225 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Rosie, 2, #1359 of 2120 🔗

Great. I’m about to post mine.

219108 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 30, #1360 of 2120 🔗

So Boris expects us to believe the NHS is so incompetent and cack-handed that they don’t have sufficient oxygen available for Covid and non-Covid patients, despite all the foreknowledge? Well maybe they are in which case
Hancock has to resign.

Your government is lying to you.

Anyone notice how the comedy duo with their laugh a minute charts never once mentioned excess deaths.

219112 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to OKUK, 2, #1361 of 2120 🔗

Have they mentioned any sanctions if the people do not comply?

219143 ▶▶ Paul, replying to OKUK, 7, #1362 of 2120 🔗

Put it this way,at the hospital my daughter works at, due to the utter lack of patients they have been treating for months they have to release oxygen form the large outdoor tanks because they are so full that the pressure keeps rising too high when they get warm.

219145 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to OKUK, 3, #1363 of 2120 🔗

Running out of oxygen!? Is that the best they’ve got?

219167 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to OKUK, 17, #1364 of 2120 🔗

This is unreal I go out for the day, swimming and doing stuff, OK its Barnstaple not the epicentre of the western world but everyone looked fine all doing OK no sign of a pandemic, came home, looked at NHS stats, rise in covid cases in hospital much less than recent days even dodgy death figures nothing to worry about. Then Boris comes on TV looking like the risen dead and says we are all going to hell in a hand-cart and that we have to live in abject misery for the next month, utter balderdash!
Is he living in the same universe I live in? The picture he paints is utter tosh and seems to bear no relation to life as lived by the citizens of the UK that I meet and speak to.

Just checked i have 6 demi-johns of wine bubbling away, 5 gallons of ale brewing and about 90 bottles of home made wine stored in the garage; might just get me through this next bout of madness.

219258 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #1365 of 2120 🔗

Good man. I stuck to homebrew last Lockdown because I was determined to deprive the Revenue of tax. I don’t mind paying for a beer in a pub, as that is their stock in trade, but the corner shop can survive without people buying beer. Resist.

219282 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #1366 of 2120 🔗

Just checked i have 6 demi-johns of wine bubbling away, 5 gallons of ale brewing and about 90 bottles of home made wine stored in the garage;

Way hay, everyone round to Steve’s !

219525 ▶▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Steve Martindale, #1367 of 2120 🔗

Yep, for the last few months really if you ignore the masks it’s been quite easy to forgot that there is apparently a pandemic going on. Been working and shopping and socialising pretty much as normal, quite a few days LS has been the only reminder anything out of the ordinary. Helps that I don’t go anywhere near news of course.

219116 Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 8, #1368 of 2120 🔗

Mentality of the BBC:

Asked by Laura Kuenssberg “what took you so long?” after he was advised by scientists to lock down earlier, Boris Johnson says that this is a “constant struggle” and a “choice between lives and livelihoods”.

No surprise there then.

219126 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Ozzie, 8, #1369 of 2120 🔗

Stupid woman!

219135 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Ozzie, 1, #1370 of 2120 🔗

I’m reading elsewhere that the army is being drafted in ‘to help’ – is this true?

219174 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Carrie, 1, #1371 of 2120 🔗

He said the army will be brought in for their ‘logistics’ knowledge to assist with the mass testing to come.

219178 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Ceriain, 11, #1372 of 2120 🔗

Fucking hell when will this bollocks end!

I am not going to be tested. He can fuck himself.

219218 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1373 of 2120 🔗

When is mass testing starting? Is this the Moonshot stuff?

219254 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Carrie, #1374 of 2120 🔗

He talked about the new ‘instant’ home tests that some places appear to be using. Results in 15 minutes. Don’t have any more info than that, Carrie; sorry. 🙁

219528 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1375 of 2120 🔗

I think these are the antigen tests they use at my daughters school. They are totally fucking useless. She scored a positive, then a negative, they stuck her in the sanitarium for 36h while a PCR was done to confirm it was bollocks. 36h on her own for fuck all reason.

219808 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Sophie123, #1376 of 2120 🔗

Is that legal?

219239 ▶▶▶ Mike Collins, replying to Carrie, #1377 of 2120 🔗

Already in Oldham, going door to door forcing families to test. Have been there for 3 weeks to the best of my knowledge

219346 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Mike Collins, #1378 of 2120 🔗

How strong is the forcing? Can you say no? What happens if you do?

219388 ▶▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Carrie, 1, #1379 of 2120 🔗

From the 1984 public health act:
1)
If a justice of the peace (acting, if he deems it necessary, ex parte) is satisfied, on a written certificate issued by a registered medical practitioner nominated by the local authority for a district—

(a)
that there is reason to believe that some person in the district—

(i)
is or has been suffering from a notifiable disease, or

(ii)
though not suffering from such a disease, is carrying an organism that is capable of causing it, and

(b)
that in his own interest, or in the interest of his family, or in the public interest, it is expedient that he should be medically examined, and

(c)
that he is not under the treatment of a registered medical practitioner or that the registered medical practitioner who is treating him consents to the making of an order under this section,

the justice may order him to be medically examined by a registered medical practitioner so nominated.

(2)
An order under this section may be combined with a warrant under subsection (3) of section 61 below authorising a registered medical practitioner nominated by the local authority to enter any premises, and for the purposes of that subsection that practitioner shall, if not an officer of the local authority, be treated as one.

(3)
In this section, references to a person’s being medically examined shall be construed as including references to his being submitted to bacteriological and radiological tests and similar investigations.

36 Medical examination of group of persons believed to comprise carrier of notifiable disease (1)
If a justice of the peace (acting, if he deems it necessary, ex parte) is satisfied, on a written certificate issued by the proper officer of the local authority for a district—

(a)
that there is reason to believe that one of a group of persons, though not suffering from a notifiable disease, is carrying an organism that is capable of causing it, and

(b)
that in the interest of those persons or their families, or in the public interest, it is expedient that those persons should be medically examined,

the justice may order them to be medically examined by a registered medical practitioner nominated by the local authority for that district.

(2)
Subsections (2) and (3) of section 35 above apply in relation to subsection (1) above as they apply in relation to subsection (1) of that section.

37 Removal to hospital of person with notifiable disease (1)
Where a justice of the peace (acting, if he deems it necessary, ex parte) is satisfied, on the application of the local authority, that a person is suffering from a notifiable disease and—

(a)
that his circumstances are such that proper precautions to prevent the spread of infection cannot be taken, or that such precautions are not being taken, and

(b)
that serious risk of infection is thereby caused to other persons, and

(c)
that accommodation for him is available in a suitable hospital vested in the Secretary of State,

the justice may, with the consent of the Area or District Health Authority responsible for the administration of the hospital, order him to be removed to it.

(2)
An order under this section may be addressed to such officer of the local authority as the justice may think expedient, and that officer and any officer of the hospital may do all acts necessary for giving effect to the order.
38 Detention in hospital of person with notifiable disease (1)
Where a justice of the peace (acting, if he deems it necessary, ex parte) in and for the place in which a hospital for infectious diseases is situated is satisfied, on the application of any local authority, that an inmate of the hospital who is suffering from a notifiable disease would not on leaving the hospital be provided with lodging or accommodation in which proper precautions could be taken to prevent the spread of the disease by him, the justice may order him to be detained in the hospital.

(2)
An order made under subsection (1) above may direct detention for a period specified in the order, but any justice of the peace acting in and for the same place may extend a period so specified as often as it appears to him to be necessary to do so.

(3)
Any person who leaves a hospital contrary to an order made under this section for his detention there shall be liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding level 1 on the standard scale, and the court may order him to be taken back to the hospital.

(4)
An order under this section may be addressed—

(a)
in the case of an order for a person’s detention, to such officer of the hospital, and

(b)
in the case of an order made under subsection (3) above,

to such officer of the local authority on whose application the order for detention was made, as the justice may think expedient, and that officer and any officer of the hospital may do all acts necessary for giving effect to the order.

219397 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to p02099003, #1380 of 2120 🔗

From the 2020 act
Powers to direct or remove persons to a place suitable for screening and assessment 6
(1)
This paragraph applies if, during a transmission control period, a public health officer has reasonable grounds to suspect that a person in England is potentially infectious.

(2)
The public health officer may, subject to sub-paragraph (3)

(a)
direct the person to go immediately to a place specified in the direction which is suitable for screening and assessment,

(b)
remove the person to a place suitable for screening and assessment, or

(c)
request a constable to remove the person to a place suitable for screening and assessment (and the constable may then do so).

(3)
A public health officer may exercise the powers conferred by this paragraph in relation to a person only if the officer considers that it is necessary and proportionate to do so—

(a)
in the interests of the person,

(b)
for the protection of other people, or

(c)
for the maintenance of public health.

(4)
Where a public health officer exercises the powers conferred by this paragraph, the officer must inform that person—

(a)
of the reason for directing or removing them, and

(b)
that it is an offence—

(i)
in a case where a person is directed, to fail without reasonable excuse to comply with the direction, or

(ii)
in a case where a person is removed (by the officer or by a constable), to abscond.

7
(1)
This paragraph applies if, during a transmission control period—

(a)
a constable, or

(b)
an immigration officer in the course of exercising any of their functions,

has reasonable grounds to suspect that a person in England is potentially infectious.

(2)
The immigration officer or constable may, subject to sub-paragraph (3)

(a)
direct the person to go immediately to a place specified in the direction which is suitable for screening and assessment, or

(b)
remove the person to a place suitable for screening and assessment.

(3)
An immigration officer or constable may exercise the powers conferred by this paragraph in relation to a person only if the officer or constable considers that it is necessary and proportionate to do so—

(a)
in the interests of the person,

(b)
for the protection of other people, or

(c)
for the maintenance of public health.

(4)
Where an immigration officer or constable exercises the power to direct or remove a person under this paragraph, the officer or constable must inform that person—

(a)
of the reason for directing or removing them, and

(b)
that it is an offence—

(i)
in a case where a person is directed, to fail without reasonable excuse to comply with the direction, or

(ii)
in a case where a person is removed, to abscond.

(5)
An immigration officer or constable must, before exercising the powers conferred by this paragraph, consult a public health officer to the extent that it is practicable to do so.

What is interest/alarming is that the 2020 act refers to potentially infectious/infected/ contaminated with coronavirus

219443 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to p02099003, #1381 of 2120 🔗

So in the 2020 act they have to have some reasonable suspicion that you are infected? Would that need to be more than just ‘ you live in an area of high infections so there’s a high degree of probability ‘ ???

The PHA seems to be much looser and not require any kind of proof whatsoever that they can reasonably think you are infected – scary…

Best to just not answer the door – can you still do that? Or can they hammer it down?

219292 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to Ozzie, 4, #1382 of 2120 🔗

My answer: ‘ok, I choose livelihood’. Simple decision really, a choice between living & existing. Fuck Boris.

219119 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 32, #1383 of 2120 🔗

When is the civil disobedience going to start. When, when?

As many of you have said before, these people are psychopaths.

219123 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to kh1485, 9, #1384 of 2120 🔗

Not for another four weeks at least. Furlough will take care of that.

219131 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to kh1485, 25, #1385 of 2120 🔗

From Francis Hoar:

Sumption was right. There is a civic responsibility to obey the law *in a liberal democracy* which is *under the rule of law*.
There is no moral obligation to obey law per se; and no obligation in a society that has divested itself of democratic norms.

219191 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Carrie, 4, #1386 of 2120 🔗
219270 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Carrie, 2, #1387 of 2120 🔗

Amen, sibling!

219984 ▶▶▶ JuttaW, replying to Carrie, #1388 of 2120 🔗

A law cannot be just made like this. It has to passe parlament. Take for ex the “advise” from our gvt that we have to wear a mask, that in itself is just an order, not a law. So if I chose not to wear one I am not breaking any law just disobeying an order, which I find foolish. In my opinion nobody can fine me for disobeying an order. The same goes for testing. I’m not going to be tested, unless there is a law made to make it compulsory.

219183 ▶▶ Paul, replying to kh1485, 13, #1389 of 2120 🔗

I am prepared to start right now,but judging by the morons that inhabit my town I think I will be quite lonely.
I am sat here and I am actually shaking with anger.

219205 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Paul, 15, #1390 of 2120 🔗

It’s the same in our town.

Me too. I just want to effing ignore it and carry on but there is no-one else in the town who will support me. I get loads of “we are right behind you”. And I think “yeah, behind me and nowhere to be seen when the shit hits the fan” I need people beside me.

I really have no words for the contempt I feel for those that have done this.

219237 ▶▶▶▶ Paul, replying to kh1485, 8, #1391 of 2120 🔗

Yes,a lot of people ‘talk the talk but don’t walk the walk’,bloody cowards and I despise them.
The only thing left that brings me enjoyment is a weekly meet up with our friends at our favourite family run small restaurant,we don’t mention covid and the two hours is sheer bliss,but,no,can’t even have two hours happiness a week now.A couple of weeks ago the daughter of the restaurant owner told us another lockdown would finish them off.
As I said,shaking with anger but I feel powerless and massively outnumbered.

219249 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Paul, 7, #1392 of 2120 🔗

I suggest you hold a weekly ‘business meeting’ instead.

219344 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Cranmer, #1393 of 2120 🔗

What is the position on the rule of 6 now? Superseded?

219516 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Carrie, #1394 of 2120 🔗

Yes, I think so – all indoor meetings banned, but as far as I know support bubbles can continue (I’m only assuming that, I have not checked).

219276 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Paul, 8, #1395 of 2120 🔗

People must break the law when the law is breaking the people.

Unlike in March, which I foolishly buried the flicker of skepticism within, I intend to resist. The question is how to involve others who might be inclined to join – some friends I know I can speak freely too and probably persuade to go along with me, but I am in a position of modest community influence and with others it’s not so simple as to just insinuate my position.

Sadly despite my username I do not have the services of armoured bears. Now that would be a sight to gladden the heart, seeing the trio of liars being torn limb from limb by a furious anthropomorphic ursine, the police bullets bouncing harmlessly off the armour until they too are ‘dispatched’ as the Bard so tastily described it.

219527 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Lyra Silvertongue, 1, #1396 of 2120 🔗

I’ve been wondering this too. I feel like a 1950s homosexual using code and innuendo to connect with like-minded people at the risk of exposure and prosecution. I do think we need to be careful because if we really are entering into some nightmare totalitarian future, it could be risky to put something in writing on the internet/emails using our real names. Personally I’m discussing this kind of thing with friends in conversation or on the phone only.

219246 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to kh1485, 5, #1397 of 2120 🔗

I heard the news on the telly in a pub in a well known west of England market town. Most people looked rather unhappy (although that could be because they believe all the BS about deaths) but there was definitely some sniggering when Johnson was doing his ‘and I’m sorry…about…that…nextslide’ schtick.

219370 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to kh1485, 1, #1398 of 2120 🔗

What do you suggest people do?

I passed a masked woman with her husband while walking near a canal this afternoon. I politely offered, “You don’t need that out here, madam.” Not surprisingly she ignored me.

I don’t wear a mask in shops. And I work from home anyway.

219230 ▶▶▶ Wiss Chritty, replying to Paul, 15, #1399 of 2120 🔗

Am prepared to join you as well. I have nothing left to lose, no job, no future no hope. I am prepared to spend the rest of my life in prison to fight these rules. Johnson is mor evil than Adolf Hitler and there isn’t anything that will change my mind on that

219235 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Paul, 11, #1400 of 2120 🔗

They cannot restrict freedom of movement due to the bubble system.
They cannot enforce mask wearing due to disability discrimination.
Resist.

219214 ▶▶ Edward, replying to kh1485, 5, #1401 of 2120 🔗

Immediately, as far as I’m concerned.

219338 ▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to kh1485, 1, #1402 of 2120 🔗

Correct. Is there not an anti LD demo in London next weekend? If so I will be there.

219520 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to kh1485, 1, #1403 of 2120 🔗

I actually have been wondering for some weeks now, people keep mentioning civil disobedience, what does that mean?
Riots like in Italy?

219120 calchas, replying to calchas, 18, #1404 of 2120 🔗

https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/

No excess mortality in England currently.

219173 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to calchas, 5, #1405 of 2120 🔗

That is the killer fact – not mentioned once by the comedy duo, our mentalist PM or the so called responsible mainstream media.

219206 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to OKUK, 4, #1406 of 2120 🔗

Julia H-B will be sharpening her claws and preparing her killer facts, ready for Monday’s interviews!

219228 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Carrie, 1, #1407 of 2120 🔗

Sadly TalkRadio is an exception.

219121 Crazy Times, replying to Crazy Times, 39, #1408 of 2120 🔗

Just watching the questions from our so called “media” makes you realise how complicit they are in all of this.

219128 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Crazy Times, 5, #1409 of 2120 🔗

Have they asked what the exit strategy is yet?

219168 ▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Tenchy, 5, #1410 of 2120 🔗

Don’t be ridiculous.

219176 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1411 of 2120 🔗

Nope!

219124 Schrodinger, replying to Schrodinger, 7, #1412 of 2120 🔗

I’m confused?

Closing restaurants and pubs will now save lives when the government was subsidising people to go to them just a few weeks ago. And according to the University of Warwick, a sharp increase in COVID-19 infection clusters emerged a week after the scheme began. The Eat Out to Help Out scheme caused a “significant” rise in new coronavirus infections, the new study suggested.

https://warwick.ac.uk/fac/soc/economics/research/centres/cage/manage/publications/wp.517.2020.pdf

219129 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Schrodinger, 2, #1413 of 2120 🔗

so could that explain the rumours that Rishi is going to resign?

219133 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Schrodinger, 1, #1414 of 2120 🔗

Was this some modelling?

219139 ▶▶ John P, replying to Schrodinger, 5, #1415 of 2120 🔗

It’s all bollocks.

219144 ▶▶ Will, replying to Schrodinger, 8, #1416 of 2120 🔗

They should have started eat out to help out in April to encourage the spread of the virus far and wide when immune systems were at their full summer strength. The first lockdown has directly led to the second exactly as Vallance said would happen. Anyway Johnson is finished.

219150 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Will, 5, #1417 of 2120 🔗

Doris personally may be toast but The War on Covid will probably continue regardless.

219231 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to DRW, 2, #1418 of 2120 🔗

Hopefully the next Fuhrer will only last as long as Admiral Doenitz.

219268 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Cranmer, 2, #1419 of 2120 🔗

You need a Stalin to make that analogy work. Who or what is your Stalin? I see no force capable or willing to bring down the regime, at least none within the usual parameters.

219521 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Ovis, #1420 of 2120 🔗

If you want a Stalin we’ve got one here in Wales.
Mad Mark Josef Dungford. You are welcome to the poisonous little withered tortoise.

Stalin was even more evil than Hitler.

219787 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to annie, #1421 of 2120 🔗

He’s no Stalin.

I’ve begun to see Drakeford as just a puppet of Starmer’s. If you regard Wales as Starmer’s fiefdom, you might find, politically, things begin to make more sense.

219253 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Will, 6, #1422 of 2120 🔗

Finished? He’s not gone yet. It’s not even clear what could force him out, and not at all clear the replacement would be an improvement.

Sumption’s one error in his recent lecture, in my view, was his condemnation of Cox’s description of the last Parliament. It was a shit Parliament, it was indeed a dead Parliament. But after the Dead Parliament, we have the Supine Parliament. A Parliament every bit as unfit to sit as the last. It is on a level with the National Assembly at Vichy.

219333 ▶▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Ovis, 1, #1423 of 2120 🔗

Spot on.

219163 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Schrodinger, 6, #1424 of 2120 🔗

In Germany, the current discussion is the other way around: most recent infections happened at home, very few in hospitality businesses.
Then WTF close them now?!

219544 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Jay Berger, 1, #1425 of 2120 🔗

According to Wales’s poison epidemiologists, infections are caused by people talking.Doesn’t matter to whom, or where.Our trouble is that we haven’t yet learned to recognise that talking to people is a Bad Thing.
I am not making this shit up.

219791 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to annie, #1426 of 2120 🔗

Shhhhhh. You’re killing grandma.

I’ve spread covid to countless strangers on my walks the past few days. Shame on me.

219196 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Schrodinger, 1, #1427 of 2120 🔗

A guy has been collecting and collating the Track and Trace data directly from their API (this is their own data). Since it all began they have identified a whole 7 ‘risky’ venues (as they call them. That’s a whole seven pubs/cafes/restaurants where they’ve identified a Covid ‘contact’.

7 ! It’s all bollocks!

Bottom graph:

https://russss.github.io/covidtracker/app.html

219134 jim j, 10, #1428 of 2120 🔗

And… the Christian democracies hand themselves to China.
The West is Dead, Long Live China

219136 nickbowes, 6, #1429 of 2120 🔗

I have an office job – is it another month off ? don`t want to watch the clown and his vaccine buddies they make me sick.

219140 Recusant, replying to Recusant, 20, #1430 of 2120 🔗

Eat shit, Johnson.

219152 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Recusant, 9, #1431 of 2120 🔗

And GFY.

219141 calchas, replying to calchas, 6, #1432 of 2120 🔗

No surprise that furlough is being extended. They had to.

In September only 47% of government expenses were covered by taxes.

219151 ▶▶ jim j, replying to calchas, #1433 of 2120 🔗

Happy days huh, everyone is a public servant!
From taxpayers to taxtakers for all.
I’m shifting my kids out of the U.K., you may all want to think about same

219161 ▶▶▶ janeinthemindfield, replying to jim j, 4, #1434 of 2120 🔗

Any idea where in the world is any better? I would love to leave, but it looks the same everywhere!

219179 ▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to janeinthemindfield, 2, #1435 of 2120 🔗

I’m going to start learning Swedish. Bah. I hate the cold.

219203 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #1436 of 2120 🔗

It’s a dry type of cold here – not like the UK. And everywhere indoors is well-heated 🙂

As the Swedes say, ‘there’s no such thing as bad weather, only bad (ie inappropriate) clothing’ !

219309 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to Carrie, #1437 of 2120 🔗

I was going to go to Stockholm on the 8th. Can they actually stop me? Is it law or guidance to not travel unless for work? (It’s not work. It’s seeking sanity)

219337 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Sophie123, #1438 of 2120 🔗

Invent a job interview over here that you are travelling for…

Actually, under EU law people can still move here until 31st Dec. Can they be stopped from doing so now?

219345 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to Carrie, #1439 of 2120 🔗

I do visit people in Stockholm for work once a year. I need an excuse for my husband too though.

I want to see my stepmother. And husband wants to see his friend. Sick of this nonsense.

219360 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Sophie123, #1440 of 2120 🔗

Maybe your stepmother needs to contract a ‘terminal illness’ so you can apply on compassionate grounds 😉 ?

219780 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Sophie123, #1441 of 2120 🔗

This time last year my wife and I were in Iceland. We should have stayed. Go. Enjoy. Fuck their law. It’s not ours.

219972 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lucky, replying to Carrie, #1442 of 2120 🔗

I’m not able to move to Sweden unfortunately. Probably stuck in the UK. I spent a lot of time in Switzerland and know what you mean about the dry cold – very different. And the clothing! I picked up some tips there!

219260 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to janeinthemindfield, #1443 of 2120 🔗

I don’t think Russia is doing lockdowns at the moment.

219507 ▶▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to John P, #1444 of 2120 🔗

I think I read here recently they are going bonkers as well.
WHO shows Turkmenistan has had no cases, along with North Korea.

219180 ▶▶▶ watashi, replying to jim j, 2, #1445 of 2120 🔗

where are you going? I would love to get out of here

219208 ▶▶▶▶ jim j, replying to watashi, 1, #1446 of 2120 🔗

Australia, same shit, better weather

219146 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 31, #1447 of 2120 🔗

What a load of absolute rubbish.
Put out a load of scary graphs again which few people will be able to understand. Leave them on the screen for a few seconds so that those who do understand them don’t have time to absorb the information.
Lots of talk about models-haven’t they learned anything yet?
Tinker a bit with current rules to make it look as if they are taking strong measures but then say they are not being as strict as with the previous lockdown.
Say it’s been put before MPs on Wednesday-what happens if there are enough MPs who will reject it-would this save Boris’s skin? “I wanted to save the U.K. from this killer virus but parliament voted against it”
Emerge in December with lower deaths and lower numbers of positive tests because the labs have been told that a positive test with high Ct numbers must not be seen in isolation but must show clinical features, ie symptoms.
Christmas saved. Thank you very much everybody. Job done.

He is just so bloody predictable.
.

219158 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Margaret, 14, #1448 of 2120 🔗

I’m not watching it. How others can bear to I don’t know.

What’s not as strict as the previous lockdown? Only schools etc still open as far as I can see.

219215 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to A. Contrarian, 6, #1449 of 2120 🔗

A big difference now is that household bubbles are allowed. This means that if a police constable stops you and asks where you are going, you simply tell him you are visiting your household bubble. There is no registration of bubbles, so there is no way this can be checked.

219323 ▶▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Cranmer, 9, #1450 of 2120 🔗

If a police officer stops me and asks where I am going he or she will get a reply that I wouldn’t want to print on a nice site like this.

Oh, alright then. “I am going about my lawful business. Now fuck off!”

219506 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to charleyfarley, 1, #1451 of 2120 🔗

Ah but be careful – if my memory of 1980s episodes of ‘The Bill’ serves me correctly, you can be arrested for using abusive language to a police officer.

219825 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to charleyfarley, #1452 of 2120 🔗

Quite right too.

219778 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1453 of 2120 🔗

I’d tell him to bubble off.

219160 ▶▶ Jane in France, replying to Margaret, 11, #1454 of 2120 🔗

It’s exactly what’s happened in France. They have also said they aren’t being as strict (except to mask children of six in schools). Last time France locked us all up England did the same a week later. It really is as though they’re reading from a script.

219185 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Jane in France, 16, #1455 of 2120 🔗

Valance just slipped something telling: “until the new measures come in Spring”. He then looked sheepish and put his eyes down. Perhaps he was on about vaccine but I interpreted it as being the next phase of the scamdemic.

219195 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to TheBluePill, 2, #1456 of 2120 🔗

And I bet no journalist picked up on that and asked for clarification, di they?

219968 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lucky, replying to Carrie, #1457 of 2120 🔗

Of course not. They are useless – worse than useless.

219201 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to TheBluePill, 3, #1458 of 2120 🔗

Probably the ID, already being rolled out across international travel.

219190 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Margaret, 5, #1459 of 2120 🔗

I could not believe the state of Boris Johnson he looked like the sickly extra for a B grade zombie movie.

219508 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Steve Martindale, #1460 of 2120 🔗

He failed extras.
They had no option but to put him in the lowest possiblE tier, as PM.

219147 Stoic, replying to Stoic, 13, #1461 of 2120 🔗

I note that our great leader and his two fall guys are not wearing their poppies. Huge PR fail.

219197 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Stoic, 17, #1462 of 2120 🔗

We’re not doing Poppies this year because it’s a reminder of the days when men had a backbone and could stand up and be counted. These days sitting in your house “enjoying lockdown” counts as fighting in the trenches. This is the resistance, this site, these handful of posters.

219211 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Biker, 1, #1463 of 2120 🔗

Are no poppies being sold this year? Really?
Mind you, will be hard to sell them on the streets if everyone is locked up…

219217 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Carrie, 4, #1464 of 2120 🔗

We’ve got a collection box in the shop. Ironic to see nappied-up punters with their poppies.

219222 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Carrie, 2, #1465 of 2120 🔗

I’ll have to iron last year’s.

219353 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Stoic, 2, #1466 of 2120 🔗

Poppies? Don’t you mean “vectors of disease”? That would be why they weren’t wearing them.

219503 ▶▶ annie, replying to Stoic, #1467 of 2120 🔗

Poppies or nappies?

219970 ▶▶ Lucky, replying to Stoic, #1468 of 2120 🔗

Wearing their poppies? Remembrance Day is November 8th isn’t it? Is it like Christmas now where we have to do Christmas stuff from October on (or used to)? Maybe I’ve missed something. I’m not a great follower of celebrations. Anyway, I’m going down to local monument on Remembrance Day even though local authority says nothing happening – interesting to see what happens.

219153 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 11, #1469 of 2120 🔗

The word salad about a virus is now beyond ridiculous. We can send our ‘deadly’ hazardous tests through the mail fgs, there’s not even any urgency about locking down, they are probably amazed that we know all of that and are still following like sheep

219199 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Dan Clarke, 7, #1470 of 2120 🔗

And it’s so obvious all the new ‘I can’t believe it’s not testing’ instant test kits will show such a huge rise in ‘cases’ that lockdown will be extended indefinitely from 3 December. Resist.

219212 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Cranmer, 7, #1471 of 2120 🔗

People should refuse to do the home tests..

219770 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Carrie, #1472 of 2120 🔗

Or test fruit.

219991 ▶▶▶▶▶ Avery Thorne, replying to Mr Dee, #1473 of 2120 🔗

Like the president of Tanzania at the start of the scam…he’s a biochemist (I think) and had the test adminstered to a goat, a stone and a mango..all came back positive.

219966 ▶▶▶▶ Lucky, replying to Carrie, #1474 of 2120 🔗

Yes.

219964 ▶▶▶ Lucky, replying to Cranmer, #1475 of 2120 🔗

‘I can’t believe it’s not testing’ Ha ha!

219154 Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 6, #1476 of 2120 🔗

Just copied this from the DT live feed. How does this require an immediate (well Thursday) national lockdown?

219768 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Ozzie, #1477 of 2120 🔗

Looks like a musical score to me. Has anyone tried playing it?

219155 PaulC, replying to PaulC, 17, #1478 of 2120 🔗

Did I really hear Vallance say ‘what’s clear is the potential…’
Words fail me – well they don’t but they are unprintable.

219189 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to PaulC, 10, #1479 of 2120 🔗

If the situation is really so serious they would not wait until Thursday – but oh yes, the symbolism of 5th November date is just too good to resist…

Although they do also have to give non UK residents currently in the country for reasons other than business enough time to leave, so they do not get trapped in the UK for the next month (or longer…)

219224 ▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Carrie, 8, #1480 of 2120 🔗

Announced on the most satanic night of the year.

219332 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 1, #1481 of 2120 🔗

Yes, that too..

219962 ▶▶▶▶ Lucky, replying to Seansaighdeoir, #1482 of 2120 🔗

Let’s not get carried away. There’s nothing ‘satanic’ about it. All Hallows Eve was a night for remembrance of the dead, nothing more.

219993 ▶▶▶ Avery Thorne, replying to Carrie, #1483 of 2120 🔗

They are despicable.

219193 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to PaulC, 15, #1484 of 2120 🔗

They used almost word for word the same BS about ‘if we don’t act now the cases will rise by bla bla bla’ that they used to justify the move to the Tier system. Utterly mendacious, I can feel the vomit rising in my throat when I hear them. You can tell they know they are bullsh*tting us just by looking at them.

Never give in. No surrender.

219157 Mabel Cow, replying to Mabel Cow, 26, #1485 of 2120 🔗
219278 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to Mabel Cow, 3, #1486 of 2120 🔗

Great stuff Mabel, I love it! That willing be going up in my window tomorrow. Hopefully nobody will donate any bricks… They don’t like it up ’em, or whatever the saying is. Arnie.

219994 ▶▶ Avery Thorne, replying to Mabel Cow, #1487 of 2120 🔗

Brilliant Mabel!Thank you.

219164 Biker, 17, #1488 of 2120 🔗

I’m sick of my taxes going to pay people not working, giving money to people who want to work is bizarre. I’m retired now but i’m thinking of setting up a business doing Unicorn grooming and walking so when told to close down for the Lockdown i can claim money for nothing and chicks for free.

219172 Ozzie, 4, #1489 of 2120 🔗

Simon Dolan has started a poll on Twitter:

https://twitter.com/simondolan

219177 Cheezilla, 12, #1490 of 2120 🔗

Late to the party today!
Spotted this on SORUK:

We will be out in force next Sat to oppose these further restrictions.
Edinburgh – with Louise
Stroud – with Piers
Hull
Sheffield
London
Bedford
Belfast
York
Bournemouth
Sheffield
Liverpool
Are going ahead and we will be releasing full details tomorrow for each event in here and on the page.
Know of any others happening? Please let us know
Don’t see your areas on the list? Want to make your voice heard?
Please email sorukteam@saveourrights.uk with “National Action” in the subject line and state where you are. We can then send out an event planning 101 and help promote the event.
We have to make a stand!

219182 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 8, #1491 of 2120 🔗

I didn’t go but here’s a photo of the Birmingham protest today. Lots of crowd just visible to the right:

219210 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1492 of 2120 🔗
219285 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to PastImperfect, #1493 of 2120 🔗

It’s been removed

219330 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Marialta, #1494 of 2120 🔗

Oh, what a surprise (not)…

219408 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Carrie, #1495 of 2120 🔗

Worked for me just now!

219186 Maccynic, replying to Maccynic, 3, #1497 of 2120 🔗

Restrictions in England and Wales now stricter than Scotland. Our shops are open. Pints available in level two areas. English residents will flock to Scotland. Close the border!! In two weeks Scottish cases explode. Scottish lockdowns follows. All the English bastards fault. NO!
The reasons Scottish cases are going to increase is because of fuck wits five tier system telling people not to travel with no way of stopping them.

Instead, she should impose exactly the same restrictions. And stop trying to get one over Boris.

There’s a name for this plan.

The United Kingdom. One nation.

219202 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Maccynic, 17, #1498 of 2120 🔗

Instead, she should impose exactly the same restrictions” How about just removing them all?

219220 ▶▶▶ Maccynic, replying to Julian, 8, #1499 of 2120 🔗

Exactly. Fair point. But everywhere. We here are subjected to the ‘anything to be different’ bollocks of our dear leader. My point was more about the misuse of devolution than a desire to be restricted. A desire I most certainly reject. Because lockdowns don’t work.

219407 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Maccynic, #1500 of 2120 🔗

Everything to be different could look like no lockdowns. That would put the cat among the budgies!

219221 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Maccynic, 2, #1501 of 2120 🔗

Just to make sure, you’re at lockdown sceptics, not bedwetters unite. I see what you’re getting at though 😉

219227 ▶▶▶ Maccynic, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #1502 of 2120 🔗

Am I allowed to wet the bed in a Scottish tier 3 zone.? Must check my orders. Oh I am worried 😒

219251 ▶▶▶ Maccynic, replying to PoshPanic, 10, #1503 of 2120 🔗

Oh dear. Having re read my off the cuff rant, it may appear I am advocating nationwide Boris lockdowns. No! It’s all bollocks. What set me off was being advised by the dear leader NOT to travel to England. Bollocks. It might be safer because of tighter restrictions. Scots might die with English virus. Its ALL boklocks, that’s why I AM a sceptic. End of.

219269 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Maccynic, 4, #1504 of 2120 🔗

Yes indeed

Hard to say who is worse out of Sturgeon and the PM

219310 ▶▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Julian, 1, #1505 of 2120 🔗

If there’s a vote on Wednesday, do the Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish MPs have a vote? Or is it English MPs only?

219676 ▶▶ William Gruff, replying to Maccynic, -1, #1506 of 2120 🔗

Not at all. Give us in England a referendum on our disgracefully lop-sided ‘union’ and then we’ll see if we are one nation.

219188 Ozzie, 7, #1507 of 2120 🔗

Interesting article in the DT entitled “The anti-lockdown arguments have failed. Where next for its opponents?”
“A lockdown is a delaying mechanism. It doesn’t reduce the number of deaths; it pushes them into the future. Why, then, are we delaying? What do we hope to achieve by buying time – especially when the purchase is so eye-wateringly expensive?”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/31/anti-lockdown-arguments-have-failed-next-opponents/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr

219207 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 11, #1508 of 2120 🔗

Did Bunter sign off with “Stay safe”? Seems like it from the Telegraph. What a bloody twat.

219229 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Tenchy, 6, #1509 of 2120 🔗

Stay sane might’ve been more relevant.

219304 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to OKUK, 3, #1510 of 2120 🔗

perhaps “it’s goodnight from him and it’s goodnight from me, goodnight” would be more appropriate.

219403 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to OKUK, 1, #1511 of 2120 🔗

I’ve got 9 Stay Sane badges coming next week!

219497 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1512 of 2120 🔗

I’m having one on every jacket I possess, along with my ‘Not brainwashed’ badges.

219216 DRW, replying to DRW, 4, #1513 of 2120 🔗

An optimistic Spectator article- Here’s why the new normal won’t last:
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/here-s-why-the-covid-new-normal-won-t-last/amp?__twitter_impression=true

219242 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to DRW, 6, #1514 of 2120 🔗

Thanks for sharing, we need a bit of positive stuff right now.
I’ve had a few conversations with coworkers and clients in the last week or two, who are becoming a bit fatigued with work from home. When I was saying in the summer, it’s a honeymoon period, I was getting a confused response.

219265 ▶▶ calchas, replying to DRW, 5, #1515 of 2120 🔗

Agree absolutely.

The aridity and sterility of ‘virtual lie’ will become obvious.

219277 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to calchas, 3, #1516 of 2120 🔗

God I hope so. But some people will need a lot of help. After all, it only takes a couple of months to establish a new habit. The author writes as if ‘this’ will all be over in another few weeks.

219316 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to DRW, 3, #1517 of 2120 🔗

Refreshingly optimistic. However, the assumption is that the “COVID nightmare” will come to an end. What if it doesn’t? The virus becomes endemic and there’s no vaccine. What then? We know here that in those circumstances life should resume as per the “previous normal”, but will that be allowed? I can see a situation where antisocial distancing and face-nappy wearing will be here to stay. I hope I’m wrong.

219335 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1518 of 2120 🔗

So do I.

219393 ▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to DRW, 3, #1519 of 2120 🔗

I think this has already been happening (up to today). Anecdotal, but I know people who are ‘fed up with the screen’ and ‘actually don’t mind commuting again’; along with the puzzling case of friends and acquaintances who do things like posting sanctimonious mask propaganda on social media but are then perfectly happy to have slightly more than six people over, sit cheek by jowl sharing food, and basically act normal.

219494 ▶▶ annie, replying to DRW, 1, #1520 of 2120 🔗

I think he’s right. The new abnormal violates every decent human instinct. Once the ultrazombies have been properly buried – and this time they will stay dead – the new normal will die too and die quick.

219219 PWL, replying to PWL, 12, #1521 of 2120 🔗

Nothing has changed since April. Police have no power to stop you being outside your home.

The coronavirus police state (2): The illusion of police powers under Regulations 6 & 8 of Coronavirus Restrictions

219326 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to PWL, 2, #1522 of 2120 🔗

Maybe people need to carry a copy of that on them when out, in case of challenge…?

219223 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 37, #1523 of 2120 🔗

So not a single Cabinet Minister resigned in protest at that farrago of lies and misrepresentation?

219272 ▶▶ DRW, replying to OKUK, 17, #1524 of 2120 🔗

Nope- this should finally end the Sunak hype.

219287 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to DRW, 12, #1525 of 2120 🔗

Yes, DRW, anyone who buys into this, and especially those charts, is going down with the ship.

219290 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 5, #1526 of 2120 🔗

Somehow that ship is still floating.

219306 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to DRW, 14, #1527 of 2120 🔗

Yep, the Sunak mirage ended today.

Still, what do you expect from an Oxford PPE and ex Goldman Sachs. Not known for their independence of thought or action.

Good riddance to him, and to the whole Conservative Party: they are a major part of the problem now, and the major impediment to progress.

219574 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to DRW, 4, #1528 of 2120 🔗

Amazing that some people people think that Rishi is the answer to the Covid-19 fake pandemic. What are these people smoking. Sunak belongs in the Tower along with Johnson, Hancock and a great many more traitors.

219232 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 69, #1529 of 2120 🔗

My friends,

Johnson done said two things today that, in my opinion, were nothing short of moral, ethical and emotional blackmail.

He told ‘ us ‘, if we did not follow the restrictions, doctors and nurses would be faced with the choice of treating, or not treating, patients; to choose whether to let them live or die; especially the elderly, both Covid and non-Covid.

He also said ‘ we ‘ must not allow ‘this virus to destroy our children’s futures’. (No, Boris, YOU are doing that!)

He, and his friends, are the biggest bunch of bastards ever!

I wish a really horrible nasty death on all of them, preferably at the hands of a mob.

219259 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Ceriain, 11, #1530 of 2120 🔗

He’s saying “We are so incompetent we forgot to stockpile oxygen.”

219279 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to OKUK, 6, #1531 of 2120 🔗

Hospitals have oxygen piped to the wards, it’s stored in a pressurised container, you cannot stockpile it. They also have oxygen in cylinders that are usually used for patient transfers. It’s very difficult to stockpile oxygen cylinders due to the storage requirements under health and safety legislation.

219302 ▶▶▶▶ Paul, replying to p02099003, 5, #1532 of 2120 🔗

I posted earlier about the hospital my daughter works at having to release oxygen to the atmosphere from the large outdoor storage tanks because due to the lack of patients the tanks are so full when they get warm the pressure rises too high.Then the levels drop a bit lower so they are topped up and then more gets released and repeat and repeat.

219703 ▶▶▶▶ Bumble, replying to p02099003, 1, #1533 of 2120 🔗

But it gets delivered regularly by tankers from BOC so no reason to run out.

219504 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1534 of 2120 🔗

Its funny a young attractive posh female doctor said that about him the night after his general election victory. I thought that was a bit OTT even though I thought Johnson was ghastly…but bring her out again…perhaps she could inject him with something!

219564 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Borisbullshit, 2, #1535 of 2120 🔗

I think she was a medical student…

219233 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 19, #1536 of 2120 🔗

Hi Boris. Simple question. What’s the plan if lockdown 2 doesn’t “work”?

219241 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Achilles, 15, #1537 of 2120 🔗

Hi Achilles. We just keep doing it for longer and longer. Luv Boris xx

219291 ▶▶ John P, replying to Achilles, 5, #1538 of 2120 🔗

I think George Lucas has the franchise …

219234 Edward, replying to Edward, 36, #1539 of 2120 🔗

Letter to my MP.

Dear XXXX

A new “lockdown” of at least a month has just been announced. In previous messages (9 & 21 September, 13 October) I have pointed out that lockdown causes damage to the economy, to civil liberties, human relations, and people’s physical and mental health, far outweighing any benefit from a possible reduction in cases of Covid-19. Furthermore any such reduction merely “kicks the can down the road”. The only viable solution is to protect the vulnerable and learn to live with the virus as endemic.

The government appears to be wholly in thrall to the monomania of the SAGE committee, rejecting all other considerations. In its attempted micro-management of personal and family lives the government has far exceeded its legitimate powers. I expect many people will take the same view, possibly resulting in mass civil disobedience. If harsh enforcement is applied it will further alienate people from the authorities. This government will go down in history as foolish, incompetent, destructive, and oppressive.

It’s likely that this will be the last message I send you for the foreseeable future. We no longer live in a parliamentary democracy, but in a dictatorship ruled by decree. MPs have proved useless in preventing the government from imposing its evil and insane policies, and therefore I consider that you no longer represent me in any sense.

219252 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to Edward, 12, #1540 of 2120 🔗

Great letter Edward, I hope you don’t mind but I’ve copied it, I’ll change it a little just to make it my own words so to speak & I’ll send to my deadwood MP too. Thanks for taking the time to share this. Arnie.

219264 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Arnie, 6, #1541 of 2120 🔗

Thanks Arnie. Feel free to copy and adapt it.

219288 ▶▶▶▶ Sodastream, replying to Edward, 6, #1542 of 2120 🔗

Brilliant I will do the same , well written thank you Edward

219772 ▶▶▶ mari, replying to Arnie, 2, #1543 of 2120 🔗

Thank you. I’ve tweaked your letter to send to my MP, Gary Streeter, South Devon.

219266 ▶▶ PWL, replying to Edward, 5, #1544 of 2120 🔗

Gosh, I wonder if it will make any difference this time.

219294 ▶▶ Struan, replying to Edward, 3, #1545 of 2120 🔗

I’ve borrowed also… That’s 3 to my so called elected representative today.. As of yet no reply.

219399 ▶▶ janis pennance, replying to Edward, 1, #1546 of 2120 🔗

Thanks Edward for permission to borrow … just sent it to my useless Tory MP

219548 ▶▶ Gill, replying to Edward, 2, #1547 of 2120 🔗

I have never written to my MP before but have just done so adapting your letter. Thanks for this.

219236 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 8, #1548 of 2120 🔗

Steve Baker said to listen to the ‘nuances’ in Johnson’s message, any ideas what they were?

219250 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Dan Clarke, 36, #1549 of 2120 🔗

Yes- there were big lies and small lies, plus plenty of medium sized lies and lies by omission.

219303 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to OKUK, 18, #1550 of 2120 🔗

black lies matter

219311 ▶▶ Seamonster, replying to Dan Clarke, 5, #1551 of 2120 🔗

I loved the graphs. They were great. Well labelled, and clear as daylight.

219318 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #1552 of 2120 🔗

But he also said he did not know what Boris was going to say…

Maybe he thought he had extracted some concessions from Boris, but Boris lied to him?

219334 ▶▶ Jonathan Castro, replying to Dan Clarke, 11, #1553 of 2120 🔗

Baker is as useless as the rest of them.

219751 ▶▶ Maeve, replying to Dan Clarke, #1554 of 2120 🔗

That’s interesting… While watching Johnson speak tonight I noticed something in the way he spoke about the NHS. Just my own interpretation but, it made me wonder if the surge in the number of infections and transmissions is in fact real. But it is happening within the hospitals. Which means the staff as well as the patients. (And we know that hospitals are hot-beds for the transmission of disease.) Clearly the number of staff infected affects a hospital’s capacity to cope, as capacity means the number of staff available to work, as much as the number of beds and the number of admissions. One can see where such a scenario could lead. And it perhaps accounts for what Johnson said tonight about preventing “a medical and moral disaster for the NHS.”

I have been massively sceptical about this crisis and am furious about the lockdowns. But l am going to start to think about this from a different angle, I hope to find that whatever conspiracy or cover-up does lay behind this nightmare, it is linked to what I have written above and does not mean the end of our democracy etc.

219240 James007, replying to James007, 9, #1555 of 2120 🔗

Has anyone found out whether these new measures are going to be voted on? (Stupid question perhaps?)
Given that they are to come into effect from Thursday, there would be ample time for a debate.

219243 ▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to James007, 5, #1556 of 2120 🔗

I believe there is a debate on Wednesday

219255 ▶▶▶ James007, replying to Yawnyaman, 3, #1557 of 2120 🔗

Thanks!
I hope my MP votes this time.

219349 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to James007, 9, #1558 of 2120 🔗

Just read on Simon Dolan’s Twitter feed that Sir Desmond is going to vote against.

219457 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to kh1485, 1, #1559 of 2120 🔗

And Chris Green..

219939 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lucky, replying to kh1485, #1560 of 2120 🔗

Good for him. I’ve already emailed my mp who i know from previous correspondence won’t vote against. I’ve told him I will never vote for him or his party again.

219368 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to James007, 4, #1561 of 2120 🔗

Any MP that does not bother to vote will be in trouble with their electorate..as well as all those who vote for the lockdown..

219308 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Yawnyaman, 4, #1562 of 2120 🔗

Yes, it’s a mass-debate, appropriately enough.

219320 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to John P, 3, #1563 of 2120 🔗

It’ll probably get all of 5 minutes..

219343 ▶▶▶▶▶ richmond, replying to Carrie, 2, #1564 of 2120 🔗

It’ll only take them about thirty seconds.

219749 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to John P, #1565 of 2120 🔗

Aw. I was going to post that. Indeed. We have a parliament of onanists.

219248 ▶▶ stevie, replying to James007, 3, #1566 of 2120 🔗

Vote on Wednesday I believe

219355 ▶▶ Jenny, replying to James007, 8, #1567 of 2120 🔗

I have emailed my MP and said that if he supports this or abstains then I will not vote for him again (I did before). No idea if it will make a difference – probably not but I have done it. The next couple of days leading up to the debate will be interesting.

219244 Hubes, replying to Hubes, 75, #1568 of 2120 🔗

You lot make me sick. So cynical. It’s just 4 weeks to flatten the curve ffs. We’ll be completely back to normal at the beginning of December.
I’m just off to transfer some money to a Nigerian who emailed me today. He’s my brother apparently.

Stay safe everybody

219262 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to Hubes, 15, #1569 of 2120 🔗

Sorry I couldn’t reply sooner but I’m out trick or treating with my extended family. 😉
PS. I thought he was my long lost brother?…

219280 ▶▶ Nic, replying to Hubes, 10, #1570 of 2120 🔗

No hes my brother!

219361 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Nic, 5, #1571 of 2120 🔗

No i’m Spartacus

219375 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Nic, 7, #1572 of 2120 🔗

Is he heavy? 😉

219745 ▶▶▶▶ mari, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1573 of 2120 🔗

He aint heavy

219307 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Hubes, 8, #1574 of 2120 🔗

It’s 4 weeks to save Christmas now.

219322 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to DRW, 6, #1575 of 2120 🔗

Where are the ghosts of Christmas Past, Christmas Present and Christmas yet to come when you need them?

219473 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to p02099003, 2, #1576 of 2120 🔗

Christmas?
Humbug..

219329 ▶▶ Jonathan Castro, replying to Hubes, 7, #1577 of 2120 🔗

Flatten the curve….now where have we heard that before?

219359 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Hubes, 7, #1578 of 2120 🔗

Too late, I won the Nigerian lottery last week

219475 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Hubes, 3, #1579 of 2120 🔗

Mini bonds are much safer -salesman says that I must buy by noon tomorrow or they’ll all be gone.

219629 ▶▶ Wayne Keogh, replying to Hubes, 3, #1580 of 2120 🔗

That is the funniest post I’ve read in ages, brilliant!!

219257 PWL, replying to PWL, 30, #1581 of 2120 🔗

This household will be having a long old walk, not staying home, on Thursday, and then most days in November I suspect. There’s nothing that this Nazi government and its enforcement agents can do about it.

The coronavirus police state (2): The illusion of police powers under Regulations 6 & 8 of Coronavirus Restrictions

219284 ▶▶ Edward, replying to PWL, 29, #1582 of 2120 🔗

In the first lockdown I was quite cautious about venturing on to public transport (trains, not buses), sometimes carrying documents so that I could claim I was working. This time I don’t care, I won’t be taking lots of trips but when I do I’ll go wherever and whenever I like.

219387 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Edward, 5, #1583 of 2120 🔗

If I recall correctly the bubble system was not in place during Lockdown 1, so conceivably, a police constable could stop you on your lawful occasions and restrict your movement. Now the bubble system is in place you can simply say you are visiting a member of your bubble. There is no registration system so they cannot dispute it.

219741 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Cranmer, #1584 of 2120 🔗

Or you can tell the bobby to mind their business and carry on. If your English lockdown is the same as our Welsh one, you’ll see no police about. I’m wondering where they’ve all gone!

219389 ▶▶▶ Evoluon, replying to Edward, 3, #1585 of 2120 🔗

I travelled around as normal on public transport during the first lockdown no problems at all. Often a whole train carriage to myself. Of course no masks required then.

219427 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Edward, 4, #1586 of 2120 🔗

I love taking my mask off on public transport (I wear it to board and alight so as not to compromise the driver’s job, they are usually supportive). I feel like those Iranian/Saudi women who dare to take off their headscarves!

219734 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to PWL, #1587 of 2120 🔗

Lockdown’s being ignored here in Wrexham. More people walking, cycling and jogging than ever. Roads busy, even across the border. A far cry from Lockdown part 1 back in spring. Enjoy your defiance.

219271 NickR, replying to NickR, 19, #1588 of 2120 🔗

A friend has just had a Facebook post censored, it was Mike Yeadon interview!

219568 ▶▶ RickH, replying to NickR, 4, #1589 of 2120 🔗

I look on the positives side : we know beyond doubt that the official narrative can’t stand up without falsification and blocking of the facts.

219926 ▶▶▶ Lucky, replying to RickH, #1590 of 2120 🔗

True.

219726 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to NickR, #1591 of 2120 🔗

He should take that as a compliment. If facebook censors him, he’s saying something right.

219923 ▶▶ Lucky, replying to NickR, #1592 of 2120 🔗

Damn. I don’t use Facebook much, but I was thinking of sharing that one.

219274 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 20, #1593 of 2120 🔗

As it’s Hallowe’en, let’s come up with some sound bites which the main protagonists have come out with, which come the revolution, will come back to haunt them.

I’ll start off with:
Twitty, “Most people, even throughout the pandemic, will not catch this virus”
Handjob, “The evidence for masks is very weak”
Bozo, “The whole point is to seize this moment now to avoid the misery of another national lockdown”
Fauci, “There is no reason to be walking round with a mask……it’s not providing the protection that people think it is and there could be unintended consequences”

Feel free to add more which can be taken down as evidence and used against them.

219313 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Margaret, 5, #1594 of 2120 🔗

It would be great to make these into a compilation film (most come from press conferences so film exists) and then distribute it widely.
Anyone here got the skills to do that?

219356 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Margaret, 5, #1595 of 2120 🔗

Van Tam:

“We do not recommend face masks for general wearing by the public!”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JbRlKxdNW0

219283 James Bertram, replying to James Bertram, 16, #1596 of 2120 🔗

Letter sent to my Guildford MP:
Dear Angela Richardson,

I sent this video from Dr Mike Yeadon. He was Chief Scientific Officer at Pfizer for respiratory illnesses; the industry-equivalent of Sir Patrick Vallance (they studied together). He says the Government, Sir Patrick, SAGE, politicians and the media are lying to the public. He says there is a fraud going on. He points to the indisputable fact that overall death rates are the same this year as any other year; that the pandemic was over in the summer, that there is immunity if you have been infected (something Jeremy Hunt wishes to deny), that there is no need for a vaccine, and much else.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=mike+yeadon+sarah+brees&t=opera&iax=videos&ia=videos&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DS9vj4UVwnvU

You have a vote on this Lockdown. If you vote for it, or abstain, then you are complicit in this fraud. I shall make sure that you are accountable.

Yours sincerely,
JB

219484 ▶▶ Sophie123, replying to James Bertram, 1, #1597 of 2120 🔗

Without negating anything mike Yeadon has said, his job was not equivalent to Patrick Vallance. I don’t know how Pfizer manage their job titles, but CSO usually sits on the executive committee alongside CEO and CFO. This is the role Patrick had (President Pharma R&D, although not CSO as he was not responsible directly for vaccines)

Dr Yeadon was head of an R&D division and would have reported into the Patrick Vallance equivalent. Or possibly even into someone who reported to the head of R&D.

It does not mean he is any less talented or informed. It simply means he didn’t climb the greasy pole as high. Probably too focused on the science than kissing the right ass. But I want to make that clear as we need to be factually accurate when we accuse others of being less than so.

219286 Jay Berger, replying to Jay Berger, 39, #1598 of 2120 🔗

“prevent a medical and moral disaster for the NHS”

Well, that’s exactly what it’s become and been since March, when it became a Covid only ‘service’ and doctors and nurses started to work only an hour a day at full pay.

219298 ▶▶ Stoic, replying to Jay Berger, 27, #1599 of 2120 🔗

Indeed. My four monthly appointment in September for monitoring of macular degeneration was cancelled due COVID (why?). So I assume blindness will be another consequence of our leaders’ stupidity.

219462 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Stoic, 3, #1600 of 2120 🔗

Spiritually, it’s they who are blind, stone blind.
I do hope you get the help you deserve.To deny it to you is wicked.

219299 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Jay Berger, 14, #1601 of 2120 🔗

That may be true in secondary care (acute hospitals), but I can assure you that I was seeing patients face to face for at least 80% of my shift but usually 100% in primary care (urgent care centre/walk in centres/GP)

219317 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to p02099003, 12, #1602 of 2120 🔗

I think and hope that most of us recognise that some health workers and other public sector workers have been working as hard, or much harder, than ever. Many have not, though and we are all suscpetible to making generalisations. Cheers to everyone who is working hard, or indeed those that are desperate to win back their right to do so!

219342 ▶▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Charlie Blue, 13, #1603 of 2120 🔗

Oh please shut up. We ruin ouŕ whole way of life to support an inadequate health care system. What part of irrational, destructive behaviours do you not understand. I have tried with all my wits to contain my frustrations to date, but now it literally is fuck you!

219383 ▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Nsklent, 7, #1604 of 2120 🔗

I was merely validating one of our fellow sceptic’s report that they have been working as normal and helping people in need of medical treament. Others have too. P(lots of random numbers) has not been engaging in irrational, destructive behaviours to the best of my knowledge and neither have many of their colleagues. By all means let rip with your frustrations but would not be more helpful to direct them at those in positions of power who seek to set us against each other, rather than those doing their utmost to carry on as best they can?
My business has been decimated by this shitshow and if I wish to express warmth towards my fellow citizens then I will.

219429 ▶▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Nsklent, 1, #1605 of 2120 🔗

I understand your frustrations I share them too. I’ve seen patients who were seen at the beginning of the year, referred to specialists at the local hospital only for them to be postponed or cancelled.

219597 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Nsklent, 2, #1606 of 2120 🔗

We ruin ouŕ whole way of life to support an inadequate health care system. “

Your incontinent rage has led to a confusion between cause and effect.

Not helpful. The cause is the Tory wet dream coming to pass.

220023 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to RickH, #1607 of 2120 🔗

Now who is being unhelpfully political,,,practice what you preach Richard.

219796 ▶▶▶▶ TJS123, replying to Charlie Blue, #1608 of 2120 🔗

Absolutely. I’m in neurology and we’ve been working our socks off to deal with patients and keep them safe, get them diagnosed and maintain their treatments, deal with emergencies, etc very much in spite of the restrictions and different ways of working that are imposed by management. There are a small number of people who are enjoying being able to say no and blame the virus, but the majority are in the NHS try to do a good job and keep people well. I agree with Charlie Blue, let’s just not generalise!

219432 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to p02099003, 2, #1609 of 2120 🔗

A friend of mine, a neurobiology consultant, has been working flat out for months, as he’s lost two of his other department colleagues. One has been shielding for months, since March, and the other left to work at another hospital.
He apparently fell asleep at the dining table, between dinner and dessert.

219465 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Lms23, 3, #1610 of 2120 🔗

Shielding for months?It’s time he bloody stopped, then.

219305 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Jay Berger, 12, #1611 of 2120 🔗

Why? They’ve not done much have they since March.

The government are still lying. Sadly some people still believe them.

219327 ▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to Jay Berger, 8, #1612 of 2120 🔗

It is surely the responsibility of the NHS to ‘prevent medical and moral disaster.’.It’s this sense Of entitlement that really winds me up. Our worshipped institution has become a spoilt god.

219588 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Yawnyaman, 4, #1613 of 2120 🔗

No – this is all a theatrical performance directed by government.

219371 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Jay Berger, 8, #1614 of 2120 🔗

Yes. So, instead of saving the NHS by increasing capacity, they decided to trash the economy instead. Yep, makes perfect sense.

219384 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to kh1485, 7, #1615 of 2120 🔗

We had a chap round to do some work this morning and it turns out his mum is a nurse at the same hospital our daughter works in and his mum is fully sceptic and says it is all bollocks,they have never before had so little to do.

219596 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to kh1485, 3, #1616 of 2120 🔗

No nation ever got healthier by becoming poorer. So yeah, trashing the economy to save the healthcare system makes perfect sense (NOT!).

219805 ▶▶ Maeve, replying to Jay Berger, #1617 of 2120 🔗

“prevent a medical and moral disaster for the NHS”

That might mean that the bulk of the infections are within the NHS. Please see my comment farther down the page in reply to DanClarke.

219897 ▶▶ Lucky, replying to Jay Berger, #1618 of 2120 🔗

Yes the medical and moral disaster has been ongoing since March though I do not blame the doctors and nurses

219293 Lms23, 5, #1619 of 2120 🔗

https://collateralglobal.org

Collateral Global:
A global repository for research into the collateral effects of the COVID-19 lockdown measures

For example:
““Weekly data until April 2020 demonstrate significant falls in admissions for chemotherapy (45-66% reduction) and urgent referrals for early cancer diagnosis (70-89% reduction), compared to pre-emergency levels. Under conservative assumptions of the emergency affecting only people with newly diagnosed cancer (incident cases) at COVID-19 PAE of 40%, and an RIE of 1.5, the model estimated 6,270 excess deaths at 1 year in England. Our conservative estimate nonetheless represents a significant additional burden of 20%, the total number of cancer deaths annually among incident cases in England is 31,354.”

219325 Dean, replying to Dean, 12, #1620 of 2120 🔗

My first comment on here after several months lurking.
I was wondering if there was a witchcraft like way of placing a curse on Johnson and the rest? Seriously.

219398 ▶▶ ambwozere, replying to Dean, 1, #1621 of 2120 🔗

Welcome to the sane world Dean, great to have another lurking sceptic joining in. May be we need to do a Guy Fawkes but actually be successful this time around.

219413 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to Dean, 3, #1622 of 2120 🔗

Similarly I pray to any god, deity, demigod, good, bad or totally fucking irrelevant that the genital wart that is Johnson is cured.

I have a rope based approach that might just work, involves some manual handling…

219455 ▶▶ annie, replying to Dean, 2, #1623 of 2120 🔗

If there us one, we’ll find it.
Meanwhile, just disobey every way you can.
Obedience to such iniquity is immoral.

219472 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Dean, 1, #1624 of 2120 🔗

Well, if there is, this is the night to do it.

219717 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Dean, 1, #1625 of 2120 🔗

Chaos is the person for this.

Actually my wife does spells every so often … I drew caricatures of her idiot colleagues who were pissing her off and she froze them in ice in the freezer. Next day they were all complaining of being cold, despite it being a sunny summer day. True story.

What you want done – requests please? (Seriously)

219947 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Dean, #1626 of 2120 🔗

There are many ways, but they all tend to rebound on the curser. Don’t give them your energy, focus on something positive you can do instead. And no, I don’t mean assassinate the bastard …

219341 CreakyCrane, replying to CreakyCrane, 7, #1627 of 2120 🔗

So what are we going to do? When will we protest? What else can we do?

219417 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to CreakyCrane, #1628 of 2120 🔗

Yes, where? I want to join in (but don’t have a car so would have to be local).

219430 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to CreakyCrane, 5, #1629 of 2120 🔗

‘Burn the Boris effigy night’ formerly known as Guy Fawkes night. Just a suggestion. I’m doing it. My kids think it’s a great idea, Boris is half built, even the dog is covered in papier mache…

219458 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Arnie, #1630 of 2120 🔗

Every Thursday at 7pm. I’m in.

219686 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to CreakyCrane, #1631 of 2120 🔗

Check https://saveourrights.uk tomorrow. Lots are going up some time tomorrow for next Saturday.

219352 Paul, replying to Paul, 7, #1632 of 2120 🔗

I see the panic buying is in full swing,tried to make our usual,non – panic,order with Morrisons but the site seems to have crashed,I didn’t expect to get on so not surprised.

219367 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Paul, 3, #1633 of 2120 🔗

It had already started here first thing this morning. I was at Tesco at 6.30 this morning (not panic-buying but there early because I couldn’t sleep and hate supermarket shopping atm) and it was starting to get busy then.

219380 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to kh1485, 3, #1634 of 2120 🔗

I meant to order yesterday but I was really busy and forgot !,had a look at all the others and most of the websites keep crashing,Asda has got one slot in our area in ten days time and then another at the end of November.

219410 ▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Paul, #1635 of 2120 🔗

Easily booked a holding slot for 20 Nov for Morrison’s, Sainsbury have a full set from next Saturday. This is West Yorkshire. I don’t see why there should be any issues with supermarkets.

219447 ▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to kh1485, 1, #1636 of 2120 🔗

I always go at 8am on a Saturday for similar reasons. And it was busier than usual. Although it always is the first weekend after payday, so hard to say if it is hoarding behaviours again.

219702 ▶▶ mari, replying to Paul, #1637 of 2120 🔗

Fuck Morrisons and the others. We dissed them when they upped their ‘minimum’ order to £40 for home delivery. We trundle to our lovely hassle-free COOP just around the corner. And we spend a helluva lot less!