Last updated2020-11-02T17:27:27



222434 Bailie, replying to Bailie, 9, #1 of 2281 🔗

Good morning ??

222457 ▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Bailie, 19, #2 of 2281 🔗


Better than doing nothing

222502 ▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 9, #3 of 2281 🔗

I thought that might sound hyperbolic (and thus easy to dismiss), so I pointed that out and said that I wouldn’t vote Conservative whilst the current cabinet remained in place or my MP (the chief whip) remained as candidate for our seat.

222563 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Andrew Fish, 17, #4 of 2281 🔗

I will never vote for these dead parties. That is not hyperbole.

Is this hyperbole? ‘The Conservative and Labour Parties are terrorist groups, and should be wound up as banned organisations.’ Debatable, I think.

222658 ▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to Ovis, 8, #5 of 2281 🔗

I didn’t say it was hyperbole, I said it sounded like it. I’m sure MPs get people telling them they’ll never vote for them again all the time (often from people who don’t vote for them anyway). If you want to gain traction with them it’s generally best to make them think there’s a chance at redemption and, if after a series of communications it’s clear that has failed, to make it clear that it is them you have a problem with. If they can dismiss you as a crank, rather than as a representative of their electorate, it’s much easier for them convince themselves that your view doesn’t matter – and in the end we’re trying to change their views, not simply let off steam at them.

223028 ▶▶▶ James Bertram, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 26, #6 of 2281 🔗

I wrote to my MP to say that if she supports lockdown by voting for it, or abstaining, on Wednesday then I will organise a local campaign to starve her party of local funding, and of local promotion and publicity. This will involve disinvestment in, and boycott of the products of, her personal business interests; of all of her local party funders; of all businesses which provide her a platform for publicity/promotion; of of all local media outlets that promote her and her government lockdown policies (by writing to and boycotting the products of that outlet’s advertisers). I shall copy this to her Party Chairman.

In other words, I will make sure that my MP is accountable for her decision on Wednesday; and if she votes (or abstains) for this ludicrous and totally disproportionate lockdown, one that Dr Mike Yeadon has described as without scientific basis and part of a government fraud, one that destroys so many livelihoods, resulting in mental illness and suicide, then she and her local party must suffer the consequences.

Too, with today’s news, I will now leaflet for The Reform Party in my area, in support of the Great Barrington Declaration.

223996 ▶▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to James Bertram, 1, #7 of 2281 🔗

Burning at the stake in the market place is much less effort and far more effective.

224085 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to James Bertram, 3, #8 of 2281 🔗

Wow kudos to you sir!

223042 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 8, #9 of 2281 🔗

I just wrote to mine, using info from today’s Update, to point out the arrogance and egregious mendacity of Saturday’s broadcast and asking him to stand up for Parliamentary democracy and our Constitutional rights.

I don’t hold much hope but I do keep trying to make him think and stop just swallowing the official bollox.

Even if we don’t sink into complete totalitarianism, it’s four years till the election, so stamping your foot and saying you’ll never vote Tory again isn’t really going to move many mountains.

I’ve pasted a link to a template. You just fill in a few contact details and it will send an anti-lockdown letter to your MP.

I’m asking everyone to do that. Let’s at least flood their inboxes, show that we won;t take tis lying down!

Here’s the link again. Please keep bumping it:

223103 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Cheezilla, 8, #10 of 2281 🔗

”… till the next election…”
Now THERE’s optimism! I’m beginning to think there will never be another GE as we’d recognise it.
Thanks for the link.

224088 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Banjones, 1, #11 of 2281 🔗

The bit before it was the main point:
Even if we don’t sink into complete totalitarianism,

224350 ▶▶▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to Banjones, 1, #12 of 2281 🔗

Elections are a thing of the past.

223396 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 4, #13 of 2281 🔗

Just did that, although I didn’t vote for him in the first place (Tobias Ellwood). Edited Toby’s draft above to suit. Better than just screaming F**** off with your f***** lockdown, I thought.

223954 ▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to ConstantBees, 4, #14 of 2281 🔗

Ellwood comes across as throughly unpleasant who cares little for his constituents get him recalled as a member of parliament

224094 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Adam, 1, #15 of 2281 🔗

He’s a much bigger fish than merely a thoroughly unpleasant and callous individual.

Watch this:

224288 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Adam, 2, #16 of 2281 🔗

One who should be sent to the Tower when this shit show ends.

224093 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #17 of 2281 🔗

Trouble is, I’ve never voted Conservative or Labour.

224115 ▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Jo, #18 of 2281 🔗

I voted for the SDP and will again I joined them in April

222435 Judy Watson, 2, #19 of 2281 🔗

Oh flip second today

222436 Mabel Cow, replying to Mabel Cow, 4, #20 of 2281 🔗

Third again. I need to try harder.

222592 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Mabel Cow, 4, #21 of 2281 🔗

No, no: just wait a bit longer and you can join our chorus – “Je suis No. 6”.

222614 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Mabel Cow, 7, #22 of 2281 🔗

Behold, Panscepticon , a mirror of the comments from Lockdown Sceptics.

Known issues:

  1. Images posted to comments aren’t shown. The image is still accessible, you just need to click on the link to view it. The problem is being caused by a server-side content-security-policy header that I need to disable.
  2. The search box doesn’t work. This is because the site hasn’t yet been indexed by Google or Bing, so DuckDuckGo hasn’t got any search results to show.

I have a backlog of features I want to add, such as an index of posts by user, a list of all links ever posted, etc. Please advise if you have any particular requirements.

Please also let me know if you are uncomfortable with what I have done. It’s not really any different to what the search engines do, but I may well be overlooking something obvious. As a programmer, I tend to be more concerned about what I can do, and less concerned about whether I should be doing it.

222884 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Mabel Cow, 3, #23 of 2281 🔗

It’s great. An index of posts by user by day would be good. I tend to periodically search for my name to see what developments there have been on threads I have commented on – I use CTRL+F but on a full day’s comments it is a pain to get the whole page to load. Your site is already a step forward as it seems to preload everything. Maybe you should contact TY and see if he would like to provide a link above the line and announce it.

223123 ▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Julian, 1, #24 of 2281 🔗

FYI, there’s no particular requirement for the pages to be arranged by day. My web scraper creates its own database of all comments across time, so we can slice-and-dice them however it suits us. Multiple views on the same data is no problem at all.

223118 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #25 of 2281 🔗

FYI, if you save any of the daily pages from Panscepticon and then open the saved .htm file, you will see all of the images from the posts.

The images are only suppressed when the page is viewed directly from the web server.

224099 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mabel Cow, #26 of 2281 🔗

Wow, what a brilliant resource!

222448 Judy Watson, replying to Judy Watson, 42, #27 of 2281 🔗

Oh what a pigging shambles the UK is in. The governments got it’s knickers in a twist by listening to the on-going claptrap put out by Sage.

I have said all along (since April) that Sweden has got it right and they have.

It does beg the question as to why Boris is not taking into account the results of other scientists and most of all the the GBD which as I see it is the most sensible option.

It has been proven time and again that masks don’t work, neither in my opinion does anti-social distancing work. No-one seems to have taken into account that air is constantly on the move – breeze/winds or not.

Although I am desperate to return to the UK(I can’t because i will not be able to return to my country) I know I am better off here in Thailand despite all it’s problems.

If the lockdown is not vetoed by the commons on Wednesday I wish you all the best of luck for the future.

222450 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Judy Watson, 19, #28 of 2281 🔗

Seems like everyone is capable of making a prediction that turns out to be correct. Everyone except anyone in charge, that is. I predicted since April-June that there will be a second lockdown around October-November, and here we are.

223038 ▶▶▶ Jamie, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 12, #29 of 2281 🔗

I’ve been telling everybody who will listen that the lockdown in April sets a pretty low bar in terms of a precedent for lockdowns, because if it’s not this then we are going to lockdown in every bad flu year and for any new virus, which as we all know here, happens on a fairly regular basis. It’s clear that people still have no perspective or idea of the proportionality of these measures and we are fast approaching an ad infinitum state of lockdowns for some years to come. People though are still pretending to follow ‘the science’ which is designed purely and simply to scare them into submission.

For what? To stop Boris Johnson cancelling xmas and being unpopular in the polls, because this has long ceased to be about health.

I’m afraid we are entering a new medieval age, where policy is based on superstition and fear, enforceable only by the suppression of human freedom

223644 ▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Jamie, 8, #30 of 2281 🔗

Polls show that about 3 quarters of people are in favour of lockdowns. Now, that sounds completely implausible to me, but even so, these polls have the effect of discouraging dissent. How is someone privately thinking these lockdowns are too much going to speak up if they believe almost everyone around them is against them? Surely, they must be right, right? These are all techniques that governments and their media lackeys have perfected over the past decade.

223758 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jamie, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 2, #31 of 2281 🔗

Totally agree. I’m becoming more and more convinced that the polls have been manipulated for that very reason, I find them more and more unbelievable. It’s definitely contributing to why people are scared to discuss it in a sensible way.There’s also a point about political identity and tribalism I think, there’s some classic divide and rule tactics being used here …

I try and discuss this with nearly everyone I get to speak to on a one to one basis, quite a broad range, a lot of them have been complete strangers, on the phone to customer services, estate agents, colleagues (I work for Citizens Advice (leftie/liberal?), family/friends, and I’d say there’s probably a majority that are sceptical and are quite perceptive to the cost-benefit argument in particular, all the rest are blatantly coming from a political stand-point, mentioning right wingers, Cummings, Brexiteers, Trump … but there’s definitely more than that number who are sceptical, or at least open to a different standpoint. Others have mentioned that surveys can be manipulated and I think this has happened here, the questions are probably not very nuanced and if they were you would get a much broader and nuanced response. Covid doesn’t allow nuance it seems …

224107 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jamie, 1, #32 of 2281 🔗

I posted a link to one in the DT last night. The questions were unashamedly biased and it was easy to see what the desired result would be. Needless to say I didn’t complete it!

223972 ▶▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 2, #33 of 2281 🔗

Opinion polls have always been bullshit they should be banned in America they put Joe Biden ahead I think Trump will be re-elected president and no one sane supports lockdowns unless Retarded

223743 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Jamie, 4, #34 of 2281 🔗

Since the red graph of predictions ‘that are not predictions’ failed to deliver millions of deaths by mid-October, it’s been clear that continued lockdown measures are simply establishing all the apparatus of tyranny. Whether that is their goal or not, it is the likely outcome if nothing is done. Most people simply cannot see this and still think this is all temporary to ‘control the virus’.

223762 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jamie, replying to Cranmer, 3, #35 of 2281 🔗

In history, it is extremely rare that tyrannical law is ever relinquished without one hell of a fight …

222599 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Judy Watson, 15, #36 of 2281 🔗

I predicted in April that lockdown would just mean the Covid would be back again to ” have another go at those it missed the first time”, pretty much what Toby’s text says.

223939 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to karenovirus, 7, #37 of 2281 🔗

The inconvenient truth is that infections peaked before the 26th March lockdown. So the curve was never actually flattened and a majority of the UK population are not now susceptible to catching ‘the Covid’, let alone dying of it! What we have now is a normal increase in seasonal respiratory viruses (some of which will be CV19) and mass-testing resulting in large number of false positives especially since in hospital, people are tested repeatedly, sometimes daily.

Many of the respiratory deaths in hospital are, as usual, very elderly people who are at the end of their lives. When we are told that younger people are dying, which sounds very worrying, it turns out that it’s of heart disease and cancer etc (albeit with a dubious positive PCR test). Had they been treated in a timely fashion, this may well not have led to their deaths.

Michael Yeadon has been looking at the figures again and concludes that the CV19 epidemic is over and has been since late summer (some people think earlier than that): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldZmERYH1Tk This whole thing is, as ever, based on lies. Why aren’t people listening to him? MW

223160 ▶▶ Graeme_r, replying to Judy Watson, 4, #38 of 2281 🔗

Boris doesn’t do detail!

224123 ▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Graeme_r, 1, #39 of 2281 🔗

He doesn’t do much I find him quite lazy to be honest we need someone committed in charge not slimy remoaner lawyer Starmer

223735 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Judy Watson, 2, #40 of 2281 🔗

I’d stay in Thailand if I were you. At least you’ve got the weather and can get a nice suit/dress made for about sixty quid!

223960 ▶▶ Adam, replying to Judy Watson, 2, #41 of 2281 🔗

Get rid of Johnson and his dog shit government now

222449 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 144, #42 of 2281 🔗

All of these people belong in jail. Boris, Hancock, SAGE, all of them. This is getting hard to pass as criminal incompetence. It’s bordering on genocide through lockdown.

222782 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 28, #43 of 2281 🔗

I think that a break in the armour could do it. For example, if Dolan’s case for a judicial review is successful that could be one. We actually need something soon because the data arguments, while strong, show that they have too much power to own the narrative. They can cherry pick the data, they can embellish their models with all sorts of doom-laden parameters, and people suck it up.

While opposition has grown in recent months, its kind of plateauing. Those is positions of influence continue to keep their concerns to themselves, if they have any, and simply follow the herd. How can that be pierced?

There was an anti-lockdown protest in my town yesterday, it was awfully attended and there were as many police as protestors. Fines handed out and it was pouring down on them to boot.

I sat around a breakfast table yesterday with two doctors and a theatre nurse. They hadn’t a sceptical thought to share. They kind of recognised that we haven’t really been following the rules in terms of family mixing and such, but also said that it was right that all businesses had closed locally to save the NHS again.

I had to bite my tongue. The whole situation is dire.

223126 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 23, #44 of 2281 🔗

Yes the court case could be the soonest way out

If not the morons will eventually get fed up of wearing masks, no pubs, no family, no holiday, no theatres. no cinemas, no cafes, Piers Morgan, no sport, no gyms, no restaurants, smug MP’s, no Christmas, no money, no medical care, no food, huge debts, no humour, Marcus Rashford, no weddings, no job, no birthdays, no friends, no home. and endless lectures by the pig dictator

Have I left anything out?

223129 ▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Cecil B, 10, #45 of 2281 🔗

no hope

223759 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 9, #46 of 2281 🔗

It seems today that Mr Farage has become the first person of national influence to nail his colours to the mast with his anti-lockdown party. It may not be much, but it’s a glimmer of hope because up until now all we’ve had is non-approved journalists and a few celebrities and backbench MPs talking about it and being soundly ignored.

223777 ▶▶▶▶ Jamie, replying to Cranmer, 4, #47 of 2281 🔗

Have you listened to the mainstream news today? (I’ve decided not to listen to it to protect my mental health!)

How are they reporting it, and where is it on the headline list?

223990 ▶▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Jamie, 5, #48 of 2281 🔗

I can’t listen to it anymore I deliberately harmed myself recently out of frustration by the actions of this government and their cohorts in the press I have the stitches in my head to prove it I put my head through a window my gp kindly helped me, We have to restore our way of life

224119 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Adam, 3, #49 of 2281 🔗

Wow. Buy yourself a punchball. More effective and definitely safer.
I hope you’re all healed up now.

223982 ▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Cranmer, 5, #50 of 2281 🔗

It is our duty to protect our liberties from Rogue governments

223170 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 12, #51 of 2281 🔗

It’s the fact that Johnson probably doesn’t do his OWN research that is so disturbing. What a dereliction of duty THAT is.
Or, if he does do it, then he truly is uncaring, self-serving, arrogant and ignorant. Not his own man, but in thrall to those he’s happy to use, self-serving and arrogant as they are themselves.

223229 ▶▶▶ Jamie, replying to Banjones, 7, #52 of 2281 🔗

Johnson only cares about his own popularity

224436 ▶▶ dommo, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 2, #53 of 2281 🔗

what it actually is is gross negligence manslaughter , an indictable criminal offence with a maximum sentence of life in prison – it just needs to be reported to the police and they’ll take it from there…

224461 ▶▶ Mibi, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 2, #54 of 2281 🔗

Agree! It’s time to fight back. https://thewhiterose.uk/

222451 ColoradoGirl, replying to ColoradoGirl, 63, #55 of 2281 🔗

The same insane predictions are being used to scare Americans into further lockdowns.

My own local paper published a scare-mongering article quoting the Colorado Department of Health. They stated the following:
“The state could see 7,600 total deaths due to the virus by the end of the year if the current trajectory is not changed, according to the report. As of Thursday, the state had seen 2,105 deaths due to COVID-19, and 2,278 deaths among cases.

If Coloradans decrease social-distancing by 10% due to holiday gatherings, deaths could rise to 10,000. A 20% decrease in social distancing would result in 13,400 deaths, according to the report.”

So, in eight months, we saw 2100 deaths, but in the next month and a half, 8000 more will die? How is that even possible?

This is all based on a model by the Colorado University system. If you decrease the percentage of social distancing, the program will spit out the number of how many more will die.

Our freedoms are now subject to some bogus mathematical equation.

222453 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to ColoradoGirl, 46, #56 of 2281 🔗

In the UK they don’t even bother showing their working. They just say “4,000 deaths a day. It Is Written.”

222661 ▶▶ NY, replying to ColoradoGirl, 13, #57 of 2281 🔗

They’re not decreasing anything, just postponing. It’s bullshit, and these numbers are likely a crock of shit too.

223098 ▶▶▶ ColoradoGirl, replying to NY, 9, #58 of 2281 🔗

They are obviously a crock. How people can’t see that is what I don’t understand.

223965 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to NY, 5, #59 of 2281 🔗

‘Postponing’ is another myth. The CV19 epidemic is over. However, and sadly, people are going to die every day, some of respiratory illnesses. 1,600+ people die every day in the UK of all causes. We really need to get our heads round this and help others to do so.

Who would you rather believe on this – Mike Yeadon, the GBD scientists etc or SAGE and their counterparts in other countries? MW

222703 ▶▶ Adam, replying to ColoradoGirl, 17, #60 of 2281 🔗

Yet British people always smugly belittle Americans at least they fight for themselves people in Britain would rather watch shit like eastenders BGT etc

223771 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to ColoradoGirl, 9, #61 of 2281 🔗

I cut myself shaving yesterday, and twice today. If this current trajectory is not changed, I will die from loss of blood sometime in mid-2021.

222452 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #62 of 2281 🔗

Billboard: The Strokes Rock ‘The New Abnormal’ on ‘Saturday Night Live’.

224206 ▶▶ Kristian Short, replying to Tom Blackburn, #63 of 2281 🔗

Great album.

222454 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 21, #64 of 2281 🔗

All LS members should read the full ‘ The Covid Physician ‘ piece Toby has summarised above.

If true, and I have no doubt it is; it’s both utterly astonishing and disgraceful.

222540 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Ceriain, 12, #65 of 2281 🔗

Absolutely shocking. The criminal negligence the doctor describes should frighten any sane person. It’s a particularly helpful piece if you have family members who are NHS workers who toe the
party line. It may get them to question what management are forcing on them. READ and SHARE please.

222560 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Ceriain, 5, #66 of 2281 🔗

Agreed….we should all read this. It’s a fantastic piece. Shocking is an understatement. Not surprising for us here, but the detail and writing quality is very compelling.

222734 ▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to Ceriain, 12, #67 of 2281 🔗

It is mind blowing. Very little we didn’t know and no tin hat hyperbole, but all the more mind blowing for it.
One thing stands out. If the purpose of lockdowns is to prevent hospitals from becoming overwhelmed, surely the first line of defence must be to treat people who are moderately ill with respiratory infections of all kinds in their own homes. And yet GPs are apparently not allowed to do this. Why not?
He also confirms my belief that attitudes changed in the early summer after the BLM and then the XR protests, particularly on the centre left. Keir Starmer was, rightly, calling for an exit strategy from the lockdown. Then he ‘took the knee’ and, suddenly, he wasn’t. Why?

Working in agriculture, I have never been a fan of Nigel Farage but he has a unique ability to get under the skin of the Tories and change their course. His intervention in this instance is a welcome relief.

223779 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Caroline Watson, 2, #68 of 2281 🔗

Yes. I had an actual physical sense of relief when I heard Mr Farage was entering the fight. I know he gets a lot of stick – controlled opposition, etc – but at least it’s SOMETHING.

224143 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cranmer, 1, #69 of 2281 🔗

Yes I’m backing him solely for his irritant factor. Hopefully he’ll split the majority and the MPs will stop voting like sheep.

223040 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ceriain, 3, #70 of 2281 🔗

Its tremendous writing.

223787 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to Ceriain, 4, #71 of 2281 🔗

Well worth the read. Staggering is an understatement

222455 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 27, #72 of 2281 🔗

The pig dictator has lied so much he has gone mad

222474 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Cecil B, 10, #73 of 2281 🔗

Cecil, when you arrive on here in your morning, my lunchtime, it brightens up my day.

222580 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cecil B, 6, #74 of 2281 🔗

Cecil, do you think Cameron shagged Boris?

222638 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Two-Six, 5, #75 of 2281 🔗

Think? I know, I was there and I have it recorded on my phone

222678 ▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Cecil B, 3, #76 of 2281 🔗

so THAT is the truth of the pig’s head story!!

I knew Isabel Oakeshott wasn’t making it up

222456 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 10, #77 of 2281 🔗


Better than doing nothing

222472 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 8, #78 of 2281 🔗

Already done that, but given that her Twitter account has her smug smily face next to the moniker “Annemarie Trevelyan #HANDSFACESPACE I think it’s fair to assume she’s not listening

222485 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 30, #79 of 2281 🔗

Tell them you’re voting for Reform UK and can’t wait to make Nigel Farage PM. it’s come down to this but mark my words i truly believe that the people will vote him in. If all the people pissed off about Brexit stand up these lying motherfuckers will be out on their compromised ear.

223903 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Biker, 3, #80 of 2281 🔗

Biker, I’m a lefty liberal. The last person to vote for anyone associated with Brexit, and when I heard Richard Tice talking to Julia Hartley-Brewer this morning, I was ready to vote for their party. Have to wait and see if they hold the line, but it looks like I’ve gone from Guardian reader to a libertarian in less than a year. Probably my American forebears kicking in.

222458 Cecil B, 13, #81 of 2281 🔗

It’s a well known phenomena that fraudsters favour round figures

When going through the books fraud investigators are trained to look at the round figures first ( trust me I know)

Think about it, if x +y -h etc are chucked into a computer model how likely is it that the results would be 500,000 or 250,000 or 4,000?

It would appear that pigs are not very good at smelling out rats

Or is it that rats can’t spot a pig when they see it?

222459 John Stone, 18, #82 of 2281 🔗

Have just written to my MP Catherine West under the heading ‘Ruinous policies must end – I wanted to say something particularly about the moral position of Labour’:

Dear Catherine,

I have little hope that writing to you will make any difference but every citizen has a duty to make their views known in this catastrophic situation. One of the problems of the present situation is that the government is not even making the data available on which they are acting, and much of it seems quite as dodgy as that made up to make us go to war with Iraq all those years ago. I am tearing my hair out at the endlessly holier-than-thou approach of Labour which takes these worst case scenarios at face value without even apparently asking to see them, thus for ever up-staging the government. I do not think this alright – it will always be possible for Labour to pretend it would get a better result, but frankly (political opportunism aside) it is hard to see any merit in this behaviour. Meanwhile, the economy is cynically burnt to the ground in a way from which it can never possibly regenerate, leaving our children and grandchildren in endless debt, and for which your party in opposition bears the heaviest responsibility.

I link to today’s bulletin from LockdownSceptics:


Best wishes,

John Stone

222460 Cristi.Neagu, 11, #83 of 2281 🔗

It still amazes me how people can still wonder “But what do they have to gain from this pandemic if they’re making it up?” So gullible…


222461 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 18, #84 of 2281 🔗

The only light in the gloom is the knowledge that these idiots are doing this to themselves. The MPs have the power to save the future of the UK, but if they don’t (“Ooh, we mustn’t stress the NHS like that nice Mr. Ferguson says will happen. Best to ruin the whole country instead”), then they go down too. I feel sorry for their kids, but the MPs will know what they did to them. I hope it haunts them forever.

222466 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to Barney McGrew, 31, #85 of 2281 🔗

The one thing we can be sure of is that in a year’s time lots of pathetic MPs will be saying “don’t blame us, we had to believe the scientists.” Just as Robin Cook saw through the Weapons of Mass Destruction lies, any MP with a brain and integrity should be able to see through this crap. The reason that they don’t see it is that they choose not to see it.

222471 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Recusant, 12, #86 of 2281 🔗

The reason why they don’t see it is that they have very little brain and absolutely no integrity.

222489 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to annie, 15, #87 of 2281 🔗

The reason they don’t see it is because they’re all compromised so can’t see it out of self preservation. Half them are kiddie fuckers the other half are fraudsters and philanderers. You don’t imagine for a second that the evil bastards that rule over us no problem whatsoever would let just anyone run the “government”? I’m afraid when you’re a kiddie fucker you don’t give two shits about normal people.Sounds mad i know but i 100% believe it. Just ask those that covered for Sir Jimmy Savile what they know.

222493 ▶▶▶▶▶ Christopher, replying to Biker, 10, #88 of 2281 🔗

Hit the Nail on head again Biker , see the comments made by former Torie chief whip Tim Fortescue on the BBC in 1995 ( Still up on you tube ) about how they use Kiddie fiddling and financial fraud etc as leverage to get MP’s to vote the right way.
And the same goes for all the major parties i have no doubt .
They do not give a F#cking shit about the people of this country.

222583 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Biker, 3, #89 of 2281 🔗

Blackmail is the glue that holds “The Establishment” together.

222693 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to Two-Six, 1, #90 of 2281 🔗
222978 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to GCarty80, 5, #91 of 2281 🔗

Blackmail it certainly is.

And if that doesn’t work, if deemed necessary, you’ll be found dead in the woods or zipped up in a holdall.

224555 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Monty Bodkin, replying to JohnB, #92 of 2281 🔗

Why has Steve Baker suddenly jumped ship? He didn’t look happy about it. Any ideas?

224153 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to annie, #93 of 2281 🔗

I can’t decide whether mine really is so thick.
I actually think he might be!

222462 Marcus, replying to Marcus, 25, #94 of 2281 🔗

Of course SAGE have gone for as high a figure – 4000 – as they think they can get away with. This way when we’re nowhere near that in a few weeks time and reality looks nothing like their ‘projections’ they’ll be able to say that it’s only because of the total lockdown.

222617 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Marcus, 7, #95 of 2281 🔗

The Met Office have a section whose function is to look back on all their projections to see how they compared to reality.
Isn’t there someone keeping track of all of SAGEs ludicrous predictions that turn out to be, predictably, wrong?

222707 ▶▶▶ Adam, replying to karenovirus, 5, #96 of 2281 🔗

Sage needs disbanding Johnson should be removed https://www.remove-the-tory-government.org

222850 ▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to karenovirus, 1, #97 of 2281 🔗

I track my past predictions to look for consistency – but I don’t make prononcements beyond six weeks with any confidence. If you predict the weather will look the same tomorrow as today, in the UK you’ll be right more than half of the time. Pretty good odds actually. A week is reasonable, a month is too far. Epidemics are a little more short-term predictable, but two months is a very long time.

222986 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to djaustin, 4, #98 of 2281 🔗

If weather forecasters can be accurate more than 2.5 to 3 days ahead, they’ve kept their secret very well ! 🙂

224157 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to djaustin, 1, #99 of 2281 🔗

If you predict the weather will look the same tomorrow as today, in the UK you’ll be right more than half of the time.

You don’t live where I do!

222928 ▶▶▶ Richard, replying to karenovirus, 5, #100 of 2281 🔗


Carl H on the case basically exposing that the age in the models allows them to bench mark 1st November projections – so we are at 200 deaths rather than the 1,000 the Cambridge model was represented as saying.

223056 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Richard, 2, #101 of 2281 🔗

So take that, with the knowledge that Boris is locking down on such data. The MPs cannot stand up and say lockdown is justified based on those numbers. Because they are not correct, simple as that.

So that means any pro Lockdown MP is basing their decision on no relevant data, but fear. They are not rational in their decision making and need to be removed.

They may say, but cases are rising still – but they would need to show their own modelling at that point to show that this will overwhelm the NHS. For the official modelling is not accurate.

Again, they haven’t a leg to stand on. They need to be removed.

224155 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to karenovirus, #102 of 2281 🔗

What do you think?

223799 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Marcus, 4, #103 of 2281 🔗

It doesn’t matter any more what they predict. They’ve just imposed lockdown using the same trick they used before (claiming that there would be huge numbers of deaths by mid-October while at the same time saying ‘this is not a prediction’) and nobody has questioned it. The mass of ordinary people don’t even remember it and probably didn’t take any notice of it first time round. They can say whatever they want and people will either ignore it or believe it.

222463 Cecil B, 18, #104 of 2281 🔗

I have a model

The public will go with what the media say
The media will go with what the politicians tell them
The politicians will follow the public opinion
The public opinion will follow the media

Repeat ad infinitum.

My model will produce the same result every time you run it ( unlike the one used by Fergusonovic)

222464 Cecil B, 13, #105 of 2281 🔗

Can a wolf cry pig?

222465 Recusant, replying to Recusant, 25, #106 of 2281 🔗

The lockdown is going to be incredibly popular because for most people there is no downside. If you are retired, or a public sector worker, or an office worker who doesn’t like their job anyway, there is no downside to lockdown + free money. The idea of democracy as elections is insufficient: democracy is elections plus individual freedoms, and we are learning how a quickly country that forgets the individual freedoms blows up.

222473 ▶▶ annie, replying to Recusant, 53, #107 of 2281 🔗

No downside? With no cultural life of any sort, no social life, no shopping, no travel, no family life outside your own prison walls?

My. God, not only are they zombies, but they must have been born zombies.

222476 ▶▶▶ Recusant, replying to annie, 13, #108 of 2281 🔗

Well, they will complain bitterly at how crap the country has become and demand to know who did this.

222495 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Recusant, 17, #109 of 2281 🔗

They need only look in a mirror.

They’ll be the same goons who’ll be doing the ghastly performing seal act on Remembrance Sunday.

222478 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to annie, 10, #110 of 2281 🔗

At least zombies get out and about and see the world. Try to stop a zombie going into town for a meal out.

222487 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 11, #111 of 2281 🔗

Eat out to stay stout?
That was a bad shout.

222547 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to annie, 8, #112 of 2281 🔗


This explains the allure of staying at home. Takeaways, online shopping, Netflix, social media, why go out and mix in the dirty outside world? The new normal. A pandemic helps of course.

222508 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Recusant, 36, #113 of 2281 🔗

I’m not a public sector worker, but I have worked at home (in a job I don’t particularly like) since March except for an odd day. My OH has too. But we have never understood those who can’t see the downside. Since day one I said if this goes on too long there will be nothing to go outside for. The devastating downsides for every single one of us ultimately, were all too apparent from me all the way through this apocalypse.

222516 ▶▶ Coronamoana, replying to Recusant, 22, #114 of 2281 🔗

There is most definitely a downside for everyone: my business involves face-to-face and yet I am now doing it through a computer screen, which is far from satisfactory; I cannot participate in any of the activities that make life joyful; I cannot see my family and friends; going anywhere at all is stressful with the current measures in place. no matter where you reside in the human life-cycle, you are affected. At the moment it seems to be polarised between the future of children and the life expectancy of the elderly – everybody alive has a right to live their life.

222520 ▶▶▶ Recusant, replying to Coronamoana, 9, #115 of 2281 🔗

To be clear, I completely agree with you, the downsides are massive. I agree with Trump, “don’t let it dominate your life.” I just think that most people prefer to be dominated by it.

222538 ▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Coronamoana, 16, #116 of 2281 🔗

This whole farce is unsustainable Johnson is a utter disgrace and needs to be removed ASAP

222630 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Coronamoana, 9, #117 of 2281 🔗

The only remaining rights are to work, shop and receive minimal education.
No more unproductive activity like going to museums, singing, visiting friends and family, going to a concert or to the football.
Welcome to digital thralldom.

223254 ▶▶▶▶ Jamie, replying to karenovirus, 6, #118 of 2281 🔗

It is true that the only reason we can possibly enact these measures is because of the internet. If the internet went down for any serious length of time we’d all have to get back to normal, there wouldn’t be a choice.

223917 ▶▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Jamie, 2, #119 of 2281 🔗

The government also wouldn’t be able to control the public as well. It is the internet that spreads their latest diktats. If we didn’t have phones and computers to receive them, we wouldn’t even know there was anything happening. When newspapers were printed on paper, most people didn’t even read them, maybe just bored commuters.

223811 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Coronamoana, 3, #120 of 2281 🔗

You wrote ‘I cannot see my family and friends’. That ought to read ‘I may not see my friends, according to state diktat’. ‘Cannot’ and ‘may not’ are two very different things and for the sake of all our freedoms, we need to remember that. I will say no more, but ‘he who has ears to hear, let him hear….’

222608 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Recusant, 35, #121 of 2281 🔗

I am semi-retired and I hate all this lockdown nonsense intensely. There are plenty of ‘downsides’ for me:

  1. I used to go to the Bodleian in Oxford for study purposes (Greek, Latin, Syriac). Now I have to ‘book up’ for a precise day 2 weeks in advance. To be fair to others I can only book one library – there is not the possibility of visiting two or even three.
  2. Occasionally, my wife and I would visit country houses on the spur of the moment. Now you have to book up and engage in a fight not to wear a disgusting face-nappy and there are all the ludicrous and patronising one-way systems. Horrible.
  3. We used to visit museums quite a bit. We ALWAYS spent a LONG time in a museum; on one occasion, visiting the Uffizi in Firenze, we took so long they were shutting the doors after us as we went out. A museum like the Ashmolean in Oxford is so big that one cannot ‘visit’ it one day; best to do a bit at a time. Is this possible now? Probably not with yellow-jacketed jobsworths hovering around.
  4. I teach Greek and Latin to small groups of adults (hence the visits to the Bodleian). I used to do this in rooms that we hired for a morning or times like that. I COULD do that (I think) but we have to ‘clean’ all surfaces after ‘use’, not sure we could have coffee and biscuits, there is anti-social distancing and all sorts of other petty pieces of nonsense. Vile.
  5. There is no freedom to do anything on the spur of the moment. Everything has to be planned.

And there are the pestilential plastic screens, anti-social distancing (I HATE THAT), disgusting face-nappies and a thousand and one other absurdities.
So while you are totally correct about public sector jobsworths, other people find all this a darned nuisance and quite unacceptable

222753 ▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to Recusant, 10, #122 of 2281 🔗

I am a semi retired public sector worker and I hate it! We do have lives outside work! And not all public sector workers are Whitehall officials. Some of us are out in the community, working with business people; in my case rural businesses which are heavily dependent on tourism. I also live in a rural community and can see the effects on my neighbours and their children. We don’t live in bubbles, even if the government would like us to!

223286 ▶▶ Jamie, replying to Recusant, 8, #123 of 2281 🔗

I’m working from home, I work for a national charity, not the public sector, but I am one of the lucky ones I guess, like the public sector office workers you describe.

This though isn’t good for me, I’ve been in my home for 8 months, and 2 months ago I was forced to leave my first lockdown flat because my landlord had financial difficulties caused by covid.

Even though I am one of the lucky ones in terms of keeping my job, my mental and physical health has suffered,

Moreover though I am so angry that the already vulnerable, the ones who were already disadvantaged economically will take the greatest hit, and I care about the truth, democracy and the future of human and civil rights.

Public sector or office workers cannot be homogenised into one group and I fear this culture war kind of argument will put off large swathes of people who think for themselves but who don’t like being disrespected in such a way.

The government, the opposition and scientists want to make this an argument between the virtuous and the uncaring, let’s not do something similar here, let’s not ‘other’ potential seceptics for simply being in the wrong job.

223931 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Jamie, 2, #124 of 2281 🔗

I’ve worked from home for years, so in some ways my life hasn’t changed. However, I live as a lodger and I’m becoming increasingly concerned that my landlord is in financial trouble. Tenants keep leaving, some because they can’t afford rent. Others stay, but can’t pay. I worry that I’ll end up having to move because the landlord loses the house.

However, my potential problems are nothing compared to the devastation around us all. The increasing numbers of suicides are especially disheartening.

222467 Recusant, replying to Recusant, 93, #125 of 2281 🔗

Starmer’s support for lockdown (the Tory rebellion is futile, Labour will never let lockdown fail) shows conclusively that Labour is not the party for workers any more. No worker could possibly support lockdown.

222469 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Recusant, 12, #126 of 2281 🔗


222490 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Recusant, 32, #127 of 2281 🔗

Labour have never been the party of the worker or they’d advocate Austrian Economics instead of communism. We are their cattle, we are their food, we are giant babies unable to support ourselves. Hard times for those of us who value individualism and freedom for ourselves over conformists and statists.

222507 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Biker, 8, #128 of 2281 🔗

Spot on.

222542 ▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Biker, 2, #129 of 2281 🔗

I have never voted for Labor or conservative I completely despise them thank God I support the SDP

222719 ▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to Biker, 1, #130 of 2281 🔗

Wouldn’t Georgist economics be far better for the working class?

222505 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Recusant, 11, #131 of 2281 🔗

Labour is, together with Unliddems and The Tories, a profoundly anti worker party. They despise us.

222510 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 17, #132 of 2281 🔗

My email to my MP said that you can’t put a pin between Con and Lab now and both parties are irrelevant. That she wouldn’t have another opportunity to serve again.

222549 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Recusant, 23, #133 of 2281 🔗

Never was especially when the upper middle classes infiltrated the party The likes of the Webbs and more recently the Islington set has had always deep contempt for the working class and their values. That’s the reason why they supported mass immigration and EU freedom of movement – it was to dilute the working class and replace them with people who would be more sympathetic to their ideas.

Yesterday I overheard a working class bloke tell his friend that while he voted Labour until the late 2000s he stopped voting for them as never liked Corbyn and doesn’t like and trust Starmer. He also added that Labour never “got” the working class with their aspirations for a better life and their desire to earn an honest living and not be reliant on handouts.

222620 ▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to Recusant, 5, #134 of 2281 🔗

But Labour have deliberately abstained thus far – no doubt so they can later claim not to have been responsible for the damage – so if there were a sizeable enough Tory rebellion then (a) Labour would have to know it was going to happen in order to get off their hands and vote, (b) it would require there to be no similar division in the Labour ranks and (c) it would undermine their strategy of deniability. That’s not to underplay the size of the rebellion needed, but it’s not quite as simple as it seems.

222732 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Andrew Fish, 11, #135 of 2281 🔗

Labour failed to oppose any of these illegal acts – they are complicit

222941 ▶▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to Victoria, 3, #136 of 2281 🔗

I agree, but that’s not how they’ll spin it.

222953 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Andrew Fish, 3, #137 of 2281 🔗

And we have to remind the populace that Labour was complicit and even wanted something much, much worse.

Ad infinitum.

222468 Nsklent, replying to Nsklent, 20, #138 of 2281 🔗

What happened to the Human Rights Act? Freedom of movement, mobility rights, or the right to travel is a human rights concept encompassing the right of individuals to travel from place to place within the territory of a country,[1] and to leave the country and return to it. The right includes not only visiting places, but changing the place where the individual resides or works.[1][2]

Such a right is provided in the constitutions of numerous states, and in documents reflecting norms of international law. For example, Article 13 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights asserts that:

“Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.”
“Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.”[3]

222475 ▶▶ annie, replying to Nsklent, 10, #139 of 2281 🔗

Well, parliament does have a Human Rights Committee, and as you can see from this:


it is striving night and day to safeguard our essential rights.

Ha. Hs. Ha bloody ha.

222483 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to annie, 4, #140 of 2281 🔗

I think this is very interesting. The actual report link comes up with access denied. I’d like to see that.

Aside from this, they KNOW it contravenes human rights.

We will see a slow, steady human rights erosion. What was once solid, will be on new unprecedented ground.

223374 ▶▶▶▶ Polemon2, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #141 of 2281 🔗

As of now, access available.

223949 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to annie, 1, #143 of 2281 🔗

Members of that committee. Lots from the House of Lords.

  • Rt Hon Harriet Harman QC MP, Labour, Camberwell and Peckham Chair Commons
  • The Rt Hon. the Lord Brabazon of Tara DL, Conservative, Excepted Hereditary Lords
  • Fiona Bruce MP, Conservative, Congleton Commons
  • Ms Karen Buck MP, Labour, Westminster North Commons
  • Joanna Cherry QC MP, Scottish National Party,Edinburgh South West Commons
  • The Lord Dubs, Labour, Life peer Lords
  • Mrs Pauline Latham MP, Conservative, Mid Derbyshire Commons
  • The Baroness Ludford, Liberal Democrat, Life peer Lords
  • The Baroness Massey of Darwen, Labour, Life peer Lords
  • Dean Russell MP, Conservative, Watford Commons
  • The Lord Singh of Wimbledon CBE, Crossbench, Life peer Lords
  • The Rt Hon. the Lord Trimble, Conservative, Life peer Lords
222484 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Nsklent, 8, #144 of 2281 🔗

Dash it, you’re right! I shall print out the UN declaration and brandish it at Bangkok and Newcastle airports and they will let me sweep through, visit my elderly mother and then fly back to resume my life. They’ll probably even send a fighter escort to make sure the plane stays safe. If they try and stop me I’ll take them to court, so I will. Because I can afford that and it’s sure to work.

(Sorry, I’m not being snarky, I’m just weary)

222512 ▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #145 of 2281 🔗

I was merely raising the point – there are plenty of countries that take little notice of international human rights, and I have lived in some of them, but for some strange reason I actually thought our country was first world not third world and cherished our human rights. What is the point of creating so called international standards, if they can be merely deleted with no legal consequence. So the Nuremberg code regarding forced medication / coercion will be equally dismissed.

222556 ▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Nsklent, 7, #146 of 2281 🔗

The Nuremberg code will stand but will actually become less relevant.

I shared your ‘strange reason’ too, until I started investigating all this.

You will need proof of vaccination to travel, to attend school etc or enter certain premises.

This is the Chinese way of tracking and it’s coming down the line. CONSENT is the issue we all need to be addressing.

222613 ▶▶ cloud6, replying to Nsklent, 1, #147 of 2281 🔗

Human Rights Act ? only for some, Britain was a main contributor to this declaration when it was first designed (which Europe had long before the UK), only in 1998 was it bought into UK Law. There is a get out of jail clause for all the right’s enshrined in it.

The Law is a sop to the public just like the FOI act.

223001 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Nsklent, 1, #148 of 2281 🔗

Unless you have the 2nd Amendment, or an equivalent, all the high-sounding treaties, conventions, and acts in the world are just pieces of paper.

For Heaven’s sake, mankind, you’ve been told this for centuries, and had it repeated in detail over the last few decades. If you dismissed it as ‘far-right ranting’, or ‘Americans are crazy’, who is to blame ?

223956 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to JohnB, #149 of 2281 🔗

Perhaps you’ve seen how American police now use military weapons and equipment. I don’t know how someone with the best weapon available in gun stores can stand up against a drone attack.

224254 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to ConstantBees, #150 of 2281 🔗

Research is your friend.

223109 ▶▶ Sophie123, replying to Nsklent, #151 of 2281 🔗

Are the restrictions to travel actual law? or just “advice”?

223964 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Sophie123, 1, #152 of 2281 🔗

The page is called “guidance” but I’m not sure what that means in actual fact.


223842 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Nsklent, 1, #153 of 2281 🔗

‘Human rights’ only ever seemed to be about selective individuals in the UK rather than general concepts like freedom or democracy.

222470 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 20, #154 of 2281 🔗

The World Freedom Alliance was launched today in Stockholm. Similar to World Doctors Alliance. I have no more news yet, just saw on Twitter. Will post more when I know 🌸

222477 ▶▶ annie, replying to Country Mumkin, 10, #155 of 2281 🔗

Please do. I’ll join anything that fights fir our deliverance.

222479 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 9, #156 of 2281 🔗

Here’s a post from one of the lawyers on the alliance. Embedded is an excellent article about masks. https://mobile.twitter.com/bl_byrne/status/1323070706087854080

222696 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Country Mumkin, 3, #157 of 2281 🔗

Great link

Mask mandates were high on the agenda in Stockholm this week at the World Doctors Alliance including the potential for associated harm.

Had the opportunity to speak with German neurologist Dr Margarite Griez-Brisson and Dr Judy Mikovits on the subject

222480 Thomasina, replying to Thomasina, 15, #158 of 2281 🔗

Not that long ago ie 2 weeks, the percentage of people wanting a lockdown was actually falling and had come down from 85% to 65%, going the right way. This was debated by Julia Hartly Brewer on Talkradio as another survey showed that 80% of people were in favour of a lockdown. If you ask an individual a leading question such as ‘if up to 100,000 people are going to die of Cv19 – do you think lockdown is a good idea’ – it may indeed emit a yes response. Therefore numbers have been manipulated to be just that. Due to the out of date and apocalyptic figures shown to the public now the percentage supporting lockdown has actually risen again? This I find strange as we all know about the flawed PCR tests and the lack of excess mortality – have people really changed their minds and now believe all this over exaggerated nonsense?

222496 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Thomasina, 15, #159 of 2281 🔗

This virus seems to have a brilliant PR agent and has scripted itself as a scary horror movie. Many people buy a lottery ticket each week even thought the odds against winning are huge and so they are scared the virus might get them even though the odds against that happening are huge. But by having this random ability to severely affect a very small proportion of people it scares people witless. Julia HB has just re-iterated that only 315 people under 60 have died of Covid but to many people this is scary – it could be me.

The other factor is this deification of the NHS and this ludicrous idea that we must protect the NHS as if it is a fragile and frail gran-parent who could collapse at any moment. If the NHS needs protection then it is not for for purpose and needs radical reformation. But to many people it is a vital part of the Covid cult.

222503 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Thomasina, 15, #160 of 2281 🔗

Most people believe what they are told by newspapers and TV. The message that is repeated daily is the one that gets registered in the mind and believed, and that message is pro lockdown e.g. Global Health Security. Few people read Spiked, The Spectator, or watch Sky News Austalia.. even fewer read Lockdown Sceptics or watch Computing Forever, Paul Joseph Watson or Ivor Cummings or Anna Brees etc etc. Most of the population has never heard of The Great Reset despite it being mentioned in every single UK msm news source once or more than once. These days most people do not buy a paper or subscibe to one or pay much attention to the news on TV. The BBC is probably still the most widely disseminated news in the UK i.e. what people have on as they get ready for work or school or listen to in the car.

Unfortunately the tories have a massive majory. 344 of the 650 seats are tory. Boris could elect to fuck every maiden in the land like in Braveheart and it could be voted through given the calibre of fuckwits in those seats.

Labour can abstain or support the lockdown and still push it through. Remember Starmer, like Boris is very much on team WEF Davos due to his Rockerfeller links. Abstination is his preference and ironically only a few Corbynites will help us and vote against.

Our best case scenario is that 150 or more tories and other MP’s vote against the measures. If Boris is forced to rely on labour support to get his Davos lockdown through it starts the slow process for a prime minister reset i.e. vote of no confidence. Though like I said, every PM contender e.g. Starmer, Hunt, Gove, Javid, Rishi.. is also on Team Davos. Realistically, we are not going to win this battle. Need to look to other battles.

222482 Biker, replying to Biker, 57, #161 of 2281 🔗

If transmission is high in high schools than how come my son is at a school with 1500 other children and he’s been back since august and not one single child has had this so called virus? Me thinks they’re talking shite. Me thinks they are lying on purpose and we are in fact living in a country under occupation, Boris must be compromised with photos and these scientists are on the payroll of the fascist new world order that rules over us no problem whatsoever.

222486 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Biker, 11, #162 of 2281 🔗

Every photo of that man is compromising

222509 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Biker, 26, #163 of 2281 🔗

I never thought fascism – the real kind, not the faux cry from SJWs – would come so quickly, and like this. But it has.

222859 ▶▶ djaustin, replying to Biker, 2, #164 of 2281 🔗

How many have been tested for it? They haven’t had COVID19 the disease, which is not the same thing as having the infection. Asymptomatic infections are still infections. Whether they can pass that on to others of course, is not known as they are under the radar!

224274 ▶▶▶ Kristian Short, replying to djaustin, #165 of 2281 🔗

So how many senior teachers have contracted the disease??

222488 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 11, #166 of 2281 🔗

Stop press: the GB declaration twitter account has been suspended.

222492 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Country Mumkin, 19, #167 of 2281 🔗

Seems like the fags that run Twitter take the wrong position on everything. Can’t wait to see their lying censoring ugly fucking faces when Trump wins a landslide so big it can reach the moon

222513 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Country Mumkin, 11, #168 of 2281 🔗

Twitter: Pure evil. Totally predictable. Utterly depressing. MiniTrue bastards.

223384 ▶▶ ChrisW, replying to Country Mumkin, 3, #169 of 2281 🔗

That’s outrageous.

222491 annie, replying to annie, 3, #170 of 2281 🔗

Another curse for Boris and all his henchmen, from The jackdaw of Rheims :

He curs’d him at board, he curs’d him in bed,
From the sole of his foot to the crown of his head!
He curs’d him in sleeping, that every night
He should dream of the devil, and wake in a fright;
He curs’d him in eating, he curs’d him in drinking,
He curs’d him in coughing, in sneezing, in winking;
He curs’d him in sitting, in standing, in lying;
He curs’d him in walking, in riding, in flying;
He curs’d him in living, he curs’d him in dying!
Never was heard such a terrible curse!

If course, dreaming of the devil wouldn’t scare these monsters, it would
just be a form of nocturnal narcissism. But the coughing curse would be really good.

222735 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to annie, 3, #171 of 2281 🔗

From time to time the Jackdaw of Rheims has crossed my mind over the course of this manufactured disaster. The aim of the reset is to create conditions where fabulous wealth is flaunted while the vast majority are slaves, rather like the power of the church, but without the need for the confessional.

222494 Will Smith, replying to Will Smith, 6, #172 of 2281 🔗

Toby writes that the arrival of Nigel Farage’s Reform Party is “a very positive development”. I’m afraid it’s far from it. It will just confirm in the minds of the complacent majority of the middle classes – the opinion formers,l and influencers whose minds we must change if we are to win out – that lockdown sceptism is merely a front for the unreconstructed radical Right.

As a left leaning, Guardian reading, liberal myself I can attest to the fact that my credulous friends and family see the sceptism of Trump, Farage and their ilk as a very good reason to doubt our cause and instead support the ‘science’ of technocrats such as Whitty, Vallance and the members of Sage.

We should have wished that Farage had taken an opposing view and been a lockdown zealot if we really wanted to move the dial towards us.

222497 ▶▶ John Smith, replying to Will Smith, -2, #173 of 2281 🔗

Farage is such an obvious intelligence asset and I find Mr. Youngs apparent ignorance of such facts unconvincing.

Not to be trusted.

222498 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to John Smith, 8, #174 of 2281 🔗

Oh dear.

222552 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to John Smith, 6, #175 of 2281 🔗

I agree.He leads a groundswell of opposition into a dead end and stops a genuine one from forming.
But things are so desperate now anyone with a national profile who opposes lockdown should help.

222506 ▶▶ Sally, replying to Will Smith, 44, #176 of 2281 🔗

This issue is too important to be so damn tribal and narrow-minded about. Either he’s right about this or he isn’t. Clearly he is right. Do you only support causes that the “right” people get behind or do you evaluate things on their merits?

222517 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Sally, 13, #177 of 2281 🔗

it is an indictment of out political system that so often MPs have broken away on a point of principle and than just been pushed into the political wilderness by the mainstream political system. I am afraid our political system is such a self perpetuating system that it takes people like Trump and Farage to challenge it. If I was in the USA at the moment i think I would ‘put a peg on my nose’ and vote for Trump.

223993 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #178 of 2281 🔗

I am American but live in the UK. I couldn’t bring myself to vote for Trump, but I am abstaining from voting this time. No way I could vote for Biden with the national mask mandate thing.

222521 ▶▶▶ Chris Hume, replying to Sally, 6, #179 of 2281 🔗

Well said Sally.

222587 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Sally, 3, #180 of 2281 🔗

Exactly. Independent thought is allowed….for now

222833 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Sally, 1, #181 of 2281 🔗

I don’t think Smith was either describing his own position or advocating for what he describes, but rather just observing the depressing reality.

223585 ▶▶▶ Jamie, replying to Sally, #182 of 2281 🔗

I agree completely, I’m on the left and have started listening to JHB and Peter Hitchens religiously on this subject, though I still disagree with them on many other things. Still though, one of the major opinion drivers for people is who they identify with (tribal, stupid, I know) and I would argue that the existing culture war has entrenched blindness to the facts around this virus

I must say that Farage wading in will entrench peoples opinions on the remain voting, more left-wing side of things and further politicises the whole affair (which should have never been politicised in the first place)

Having said that they’ve influenced policy on other things through their electoral threat, so I think in some ways it’s a negative thing, in some ways it may a positive.

223601 ▶▶▶▶ Jamie, replying to Jamie, 5, #183 of 2281 🔗

Just to add to this, Farage usually goes to fill the void that the Labour Party have left – in this case the same thing has happened – he’s sticking up for working people and those that are already struggling economically. As someone who has usually been on the left of politics, I actually blame the Labour Party for not representing the people it was supposed to be founded for and I will never forgive them for that

223988 ▶▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Jamie, #184 of 2281 🔗

Exactly. I’m a lifelong Democrat/Labour voter but I would vote for the Reform Party if they focus on getting us out of this mess. I will never vote for Labour or the Democrats again, which is something I never expected to say. And I’m in my 60s so this isn’t some small change for me.

224667 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Jamie, #185 of 2281 🔗

I think you are exactly correct there (though I come from the opposite perspective, politically). It is the abandonment of the British working classes (who were always mostly socially conservative and patriotic, and are despised as such by modern left elites) for globalist and politically correct identity lobby issues that has left a gaping hole where that representation was.

Meanwhile the”Conservative” Party has moved to the left, taking its hinterland for granted. thereby leaving traditionalist conservatives unrepresented as well. As Peter Hitchens recently put it, both parties basically represent Polly Toynbee types, and others are simply not represented.

That combination of trends has created space for new parties in a system that really does not encourage them. Sooner or later one will break through and replace either of the big two, as Labour replaced the Liberals in the early C20th.

222519 ▶▶ Chris Hume, replying to Will Smith, 8, #186 of 2281 🔗

He was a zealot at the outset. Unlike Julia Hartley-Brewer and Mike Graham I find his ‘conversion’ less than convincing. Like you I wish he’d have stayed away, although he has a number of long term fans who will at least start questioning the narrative due to his intervention. I ultimately think we will need people from all perspectives to get on board to beat SAGE, the MSM and the Tory/Labour/SNP coalition on this.

222524 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to Will Smith, 21, #187 of 2281 🔗

Maybe, but Farage wins in the end, doesn’t he? For all their complaining, what do the Guardian influence? It’s nearly broke because nobody cares about it.

222534 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Will Smith, 11, #188 of 2281 🔗

As a left leaning Guardian reading liberal can i suggest you get your hand out my pocket and your head out your arse

222568 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Will Smith, 1, #189 of 2281 🔗

Correct and it will be a repeat of their pathological hate of the orange man and his disregard for masks.

222584 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Will Smith, 12, #190 of 2281 🔗

I don’t know why you’re getting down voted, as it does raise a good point. Farage is a very Marmite figure. However, it also highlights one of the reasons we’re in this mess and that’s groupthink like this. It’s inconceivable to a lot of people, that someone they oppose, might actually sometimes have a good point.
It’s been clear to me from early on, that the anti lockdown movement, is a broad church.

222594 ▶▶ Steve, replying to Will Smith, 9, #191 of 2281 🔗

My biggest issue with Nigel is he’s like the grand old Duke Of York – marches his supporters up to the top of the hill then marches them down again.

It never occurs to him to fortify the hill. We’d have been in a lot better position if UKIP or the Brexit Party had stayed the course and built up from their support into a decent opposition.

There’s always been a feeling that he’s ‘controlled oppositon’ – a safety valve that lets off some steam but keeps the machinery of the established parties going.

It does seem more than coincidental that he’s starting this just as other challenger parties start to get going. (Though the lockdown does give a legitimate reason).

So I do have misgivings with Nigel jumping in – especially as he was pro-lockdown and clapping for the NHS in the early days of this fiasco.

BUT, that said he’s probably the only figure that could scare the Tories into doing the right thing, so this is a good move – but treat with some caution – we don’t want a ‘pop-up party’ that will be collapsed when Nigel gets fed up of it, or which rolls over at the last minute.

222606 ▶▶ Helen, replying to Will Smith, 3, #192 of 2281 🔗

The German Corona Auschuss (peoples corona inquiry) have dismissed the political system as corrupt..they take evidence only from politician whistleblowers. Up to now just one green who has provided evidence that at the very first corona emergency meeting of the Bundestag the usual suspect pandemic mongerers were present.. Drosten & Wieler.

222772 ▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to Will Smith, 6, #193 of 2281 🔗

Farage takes voters from the Tories. They, therefore, change course to neutralise him. That is a benefit. It would be even better if there was a similar group on the Left; industrial unions and genuine working class MPs such as Ian Lavery, arguing that lockdown protects the middle class at the expense of the working class. Instead they are virtually ignoring the huge elephant in the room and are heading happily down the rabbit hole of supporting the appalling Corbyn in arcane, internecine Labour Party battles.

222836 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Caroline Watson, 1, #194 of 2281 🔗

Exactly so.

222901 ▶▶ Commander Jameson, replying to Will Smith, 1, #195 of 2281 🔗

I agree. I’m losing count of the number of single-issue political parties this guy has set up.

This isn’t Brexit, this is something vastly, vastly more important, globally important, than that. Nigel is too compromised in the eyes of too many, as well intentioned as he may be, to be any kind of figurehead for a liberal/tarian revolution and should stand aside.

223037 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Commander Jameson, 2, #196 of 2281 🔗

I think there are pros and cons.

Farage will attract media publicity to the fact that there are different opinions/approaches, rather than the current msm one-sided position.

On the other hand, viewed with distaste by Will’s (brainwashed) ‘opinion formers / influencers’.

223072 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Will Smith, 4, #197 of 2281 🔗

I actually don’t care. Any positivity in any shape is good.

Farage has his political ambition and will do whatever he can to push that, but if his message is correct, which it seems from his vid yesterday is broadly on the money, trying to counter it with “He’s a right wing fascist” is the mark of an idiot.

Such people cannot be saved.

222499 Tim Bidie, #198 of 2281 🔗

Edited. Too many links.

222500 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 9, #199 of 2281 🔗

We have over 10 million new citizens in this country since 2000, many of whom lack vaccination records, probably have not been BCG vaccinated.

Since BCG vaccination may have strong antiviral properties, that may be why covid 19 ‘infection’ numbers are high within immigrant communities.

There may be an answer to this problem, in the form of voluntary BCG vaccination for those who have not already been so vaccinated.

With regard to the elderly, who have been BCG vaccinated, protection may last for up to 60 years:

‘In this trial, BCG vaccine efficacy persisted for 50 to 60 years, suggesting that a single dose of an effective BCG vaccine can have a long duration of protection.’


That may explain the age profile of covid 19 mortality.

Booster vaccination after infection may be the answer:

‘A less-explored but crucial question is the timing of the boost after BCG priming. Our studies have shed important light on this key question and perhaps partially help to explain the many unsuccessful attempts directed toward a prime-boost strategy for TB vaccine. Further work is needed to determine the detailed reasons/mechanisms for the inability of a pre-exposure boost with LP-ESAT-6 subunit vaccine to enhance protection compared to BCG alone. Nevertheless, they represent a significant advancement demonstrating that scheduling the subunit vaccine boost post-exposure, and therefore re-educating the T cells, may be a promising future path toward a successful TB vaccine.’

‘Early secreted antigenic target 6 kDa protein (ESAT-6) is a potent T-cell antigen expressed in pathogenic Mtb and contains an unusually high number of permissive T cell epitopes spanning the entire sequence of the molecule. ESAT-6 is an interesting antigen associated with active Mtb infection; however, the gene encoding ESAT-6 belongs to the RD-1 region, and all BCG vaccine strains distributed worldwide have deleted RD1 regions . ESAT-6 based subunit vaccines have shown tremendous potential in animal models’


Results of the BRACE global BCG trial should be in by April 2022

‘BCG Vaccination to Protect Healthcare Workers Against COVID-19 (BRACE)’

224231 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tim Bidie, #200 of 2281 🔗

Have you read the GPs article?!

222501 Laurence, replying to Laurence, 12, #201 of 2281 🔗

According to the ONS 336,500 people were infected with COVID in the week to 8 October. Allowing for a 3 week lag, 1,610 people died who had a positive test within 28 days in the week to 29 October, an IFR of .47% (probably a huge overestimate).
Even using that, the ONS says 53,700 people have died with Covid on their death certificate to 16 October, that means 11.4 million have been infected, and now a further 230,000 people are going to die (from the graph), another 49 million to be infected, so 90% of the population are going to have been infected in total. Pretty soon over 100% by the time we get to the inevitable ‘third wave’. The IFR’s probably closer to .2% so over twice the population will get infected – bring in some more people from France ! oh, they’ve got the same issue !

No T-cell immunity, nobody spared, everyone can have it at least once, some two or three times.

Does anyone do a sense check on these figures ? Does anyone believe this nonsense ?

Is this why our civil liberties are being hammered, why people are condemned to die of curable cancers ? Why 420 million people in the LEDCs are being condemned to starvation?

Please tell me the government has got more than this ?

222537 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Laurence, 9, #202 of 2281 🔗

To my mind this is where Carl Heneghan and the CEBM have been so important and have really annoyed some of ‘The Science’. The CEBM have, as their name suggests, looked at things based on the evidence rather than predictions. The evidence is real and irrefutable the predictions invariably rely to some extent on supposition and with something as complex as a virus and its effect on the population invariably some of the suppositions are wrong and a small error at a crucial point in the modelling throws the model completely off course.

So to my mind the problem is that we have relied on models and predictions alone when these should always be balanced against the current evidence and previous history.

224256 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to PastImperfect, #204 of 2281 🔗

Britain is prepared for a second wave of Covid-19
Strongly disagree ………. Strongly agree

This is a have you stopped beating your wife yes or no? question.

There might be room for views but how do you get past a fence of these first?
They will be “marked” by computer, so your open ended comments will probably be ignored and the poll is then effectively rigged.

222876 ▶▶ djaustin, replying to Laurence, #205 of 2281 🔗

An IFR of between 0.15 and 0.5 is the right ballpark (lower value is influenza btw). About 1-3% of infections seek hospital and about 1/5-1/6 of admissions will die. So 30K infections gives 1K admissions a week later and 200 deaths a week after that.

As for T cell immunity – there is currently no evidence that in vitro reactivity is protective of infection or disease. I am willing to believe T cell reactivity protects against severity of disease (COVID19) since there is plenty of evidence of asymptomatic infections – even from the ONS data. But sterile immunity? No evidence. You may be surprised to learn you have T cell “immunity” to some of the ingredients of toothpaste. It’s a “known unknown” but past coronoavirus infections and some degree of cross-immunity can reasonably be expected to protect from COVID19 the disease, but perhaps not SARS-CoV2 virus infection.

The data from ONS hospitals and deaths is consistent, and some of us do try and sense check the figures. Early anti-viral treatment reduces hospitalisations by 67% – that’s the fall one would hope from 0.5 to 0.15. Deaths are reduced slightly by dexamthasone. Vaccines might give more asymptomatic infections.

222908 ▶▶▶ Laurence, replying to djaustin, #206 of 2281 🔗

So if the IFR is 0.15% as you suggest the graph suggests we should have 230,000/ .0015 = 150,000,000 infections – over twice the population !

222973 ▶▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to Laurence, #207 of 2281 🔗

IFR is the fatality rate not the infection rate. Seasonal flu kills about 1/737 people infected, COVID19 kills somewhere between that number and 1/180.

30,000 infections per day (from ONS cross sectional survey) means
1000 admissions a week later (3% of infections) means
200 deaths a week later (20% of admissions)

How do those numbers look based on today’s data? Pretty reasonable predictions, I think.

If the entire population were to be infected over the course of the epidemic, one would expect 66M/737 to 66M/180 or 90 – 360k deaths. The low end would be a worst-case influenza. A bad flu season has given 50k deaths. We’re about half-way to the lower figure – about 1/10 of the population have confirmed antibody seropositivity. Asymptomatic infection generates seropositive conversion. So that 1/10 is a lower bound.

223032 ▶▶▶▶▶ Laurence, replying to djaustin, #208 of 2281 🔗

yes, I know. 150,000,000 x .15% = 225,000

223180 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to Laurence, #209 of 2281 🔗

What’s your point? If this were influenza, and everyone had had the infection, we would have had about 100K deaths. It may kill a higher proportion, but has thus far infected fewer people. The OMS data bounds those infected per week. I didn’t suggest it was 0.15 – that’s a lower bound based on influenza. I think it closer to 0.5% (1/200) actually, with approximately 10% having been infected and seroconverted (including asymptomatics) – so 33K deaths so far.

10% x 66,000,000/200 = 33,000

So another 90% potentially to be infected (although some of those may be protected by future treatments and/or a vaccine).

That analysis above and graph makes no sense. Firstly, the decline of a Gompertz model is not linear after the peak (defined at Nmax/2), it will be log-linear exponential decline. The asymptotic behaviour towards the eventual maximum number of souls will eventually tend to linear, as all exponential functions do, but not immediately after the peak.

223354 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Laurence, replying to djaustin, #210 of 2281 🔗

The point is that 0.5% is a very high IFR. you say there was no inherent immunity so everyone’s going to get it. Why didn’t they then when the pandemic was here. And if your excuse is lockdown worked then what about Sweden.
They had no lockdown and only 237 people under 60 died.
My point is get real and look at the numbers, and do a common sense check.

224597 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Laurence, replying to djaustin, #211 of 2281 🔗

Can you please clarify what you are saying – you say in a previous post that “ Early anti-viral treatment reduces hospitalisations by 67% – that’s the fall one would hope from 0.5 to 0.15.” Firstly you say that the deaths are reduced by 2/3, then in the next sentence that this is just a hope, and now in this email that you didn’t suggest 0.15% at all, that it was a lower bound based on influenza.

Can we please have a bit of consistency as you have managed to say three different and contradictory things – which do you stand by?

If it’s the first, then COVID kills about the same as flu per infected person, if the second 1/3 as many, and if the third anywhere between these two or even more.

You then say as if contradicting me that the IFR is a fatality rate, but that is exactly how i have used it.

You also say that there are a further 90% to be infected – well there may be 90% who haven’t been infected but we have to ask why not if there was no inherent immunity (T-cell or otherwise), not here and not in Sweden. Of course it could be that we are all infected but the IFR is much lower, although there is no evidence for that. So it is simple logical conclusion that there is some form of existing immunity.

Also, i think you are confused about what an exponential function is – it grows very quickly (or declines very quickly alternatively) and it’s asymptote is vertical in the case of increasing, not horizontal as I think you are implying.

A Gompertz curve (in cumulative terms) will level out as you say. it is interesting that when Levitt first started talking about Gompertz it was seen by the establishment as un-scientific but now is pretty much mainstream.

You really should read and sign the Great Barrington declaration which I believe he supported – it agrees with us on the curve levelling out, and clearly most of the 90% will not get it (i think you are out by a bit and it’s more like 75-80%) apart from the few who get hit by what is ridiculously referred to as the second wave- we all know so many of the deaths are people who are false positives but that’s a whole new conversation – maybe for tomorrow …..

224642 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to Laurence, #212 of 2281 🔗

Treatments have shown reductions of 2/3 in hospital admissions. The trials are too small to show what that means for mortality and IFR, but the numbers going to hospital is greatly reduced – hence the hope. A bit like seeing antibodies [produced in a small vaccine trial and hoping the population will be predicted. They may… and they may not.

Based on the ONS survey data, which I consider the most robust, the IFR looks nearer to 0.5 than 0.15. That means to make COVID19 more “like influenza”, some reduction in IFR will be needed. Antivirals are pretty poor for influenza, and there are no approved antibodies (some in development). But two antibodies (Lilly and Regeneron) have shown impressive responses in early treatment of COVID in outpatient settings. they both showed no response in hospitalized patients though as antivirals are too late. Vaccines may also provide a simliar improvement in outcome (lower IFR) by priming people to fight off infection. That’s why the elderly were protected from 2009 pandemic flu, but not the young.

The presence of cross reactive T cells is demonstrated. Their relevance to protection from infection is not. There is a hypothesis, but it seems too many people are too quick to accept in vitro evidence as proof of immunity. That is not how science works. I am perfectly happy to believe that this cross reactivty confers some protection from the disease COVID19. Buy asymptomatic infections seroconvert – so I think it reasonable that antibody positivity is a marker of infection levels. Relaxation of constrains and increasing transmission confirms that. There is no relationship between rate of decline of transmission and rate of second increase. Immunity would predict an inverse relationship.

I was fitting non-linear mixed effects Gompertz functions to the global ECDC epidemic data before Levitt gave his first tweet. They are perfectly reasonable descriptions of epidemic phenomena, but the shapes can be interpreted as either changes in contacts OR less likelihood of transmitting infections. What matters is when you relax one of those constraints. Immunity predicts a continued decline (people are immune after all). Policy has changed so much they are hard to tune to data. As are the epidemiological models, btw. I much prefer local piecewise exponential polynomial models (which approximate both SEIR and Gompertz for the period of interest (about six weeks). prediction beyond that period is pretty futile, but people “want an answer”. I am happy with “You can’t know with any precision, but hospitals will be full by mid-December”, personally.

The GB is founded on belief rather than hypothesis. I have not heard Prof Gupta (who I used to know) make a single quantitative prediction of the consequences of proposed actions. “Protect the vulnerable” is a fine strategy, but we fail to do that annually for influenza.

On deaths, I have looked at all-cause mortality since Week 15 in April. Sadly it is starting to rise again above the previous 10 year maximum.

222912 ▶▶▶ Commander Jameson, replying to djaustin, 1, #213 of 2281 🔗

We don’t care about infections that cause no disease. In fact that is a good thing for the community.

Skeptics, remember that DJ Austin, OBE (for services to the Corona) is the linkman between GSK and Imperial. One of those mathematicians trying to do medicine who has gotten us into this mess.

222964 ▶▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to Commander Jameson, -1, #214 of 2281 🔗

Actually we do, because the 1-3% hospital admissions includes asymptomatic infections as well . Asymptomatic does not mean can’t pass the infection on. In fact most viral diseases are most transmissible prior to symptoms. I’ve been djaustin on the internet for thirty years. I see no need to hide behind anonymity, “Commander”.

223091 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to djaustin, 1, #215 of 2281 🔗

Does asymptomatic mean they can pass the virus on?

How do know if someone is asymptomatic with SARS-CoV-2? RT-PCR?

What CT are you using if so? Which test kit?

What are the false positive rates for said test kit?

Have you accounted for poor swab and lab processes risking contamination?


223125 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #216 of 2281 🔗

Ever had chickenpox? You will have caught it from someone who may have had very few symptoms. Of course they will show more signs later, but peak infectiousness is prior to symptoms.

All those points are reasonable, but ultimately this is a respiratory virus. It transmits in the same way as others. It’s a bit more spreadable than influenza, but much less than measles and less than chickenpox. It would be surprising if the phenotype of transmission is so different. All those asymptomatic students in halls are catching it from somewhere – and only about 20% have symptoms so are avoided.

I’m satisified that the ONS data is robust, the analysis and testing methods factor in uncertainty and have shown consistent trends. I doubt the large increase since september has been down to better swabbing, because hospital admissions have followed that rise, and total patients on ventilation have followed admissions.

223182 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to djaustin, 1, #217 of 2281 🔗

Ok, this wont cover all cases of asymptomatics but if PCR is picking up dead virus, to what extent are people infectious? If we are using non sensical CTs, where does that leave us?

It seems to be that this is not being held up to the light and, as such, we are operating in a data poor environment. I try and rationalise it and, for me, it simply doesn’t put me anywhere close to a position where I could begin a rational analysis.

“They must be catching is from somewhere” is not good enough.

You may be seeing trends holding up between hospitalisations and deaths to CV19, however, given what I’ve said, we need to put that in context. Is this any different to a normal year for hospitalisations? Because the PCR will simply mark people as Covid anyway. Same with deaths and excess deaths are either within normal range or slightly above. You could be analysing normal trends and calling it Covid.

I continually come back to the PCR. If we acknowledge its shortcomings where do go from there to analyse effectively?

223200 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #218 of 2281 🔗

Is this any different to a normal year for hospitalisations?

Yes it is, the symptoms people are admitted with are quite distinct from normal respiratory diseases like influenza and bacterial pneumonia. COVID19 (the disease) was described well-before the virus was isolated based on symptomatology. People go to hospital with clinical symptoms, and I don’t think that behaviour will change during the course of the epidemic unless virulence changes appreciably. I completely accept PCR tests have their limits, but all other things being constant, even against a background of those limitations, trends will be robust. Community Pillar 2 testing does not fall into that category. ONS does.

223244 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to djaustin, 2, #219 of 2281 🔗

How on earth can we know anything about hospitalizations over the last six months?

Deplorably, the NHS has “ paused the collection and publication of some of our official statistics .” This includes “data on ‘Critical Care Bed Capacity and Urgent Operations Cancelled.’ ” They state:

“Due to the coronavirus illness (COVID-19) and the need to release capacity across the NHS to support the response, we paused the collection and publication of some of our official statistics .

Initially this applied to the statistics listed in Annex A, for data due to be submitted between 1 April and 30 June. This was subsequently extended to apply to data due to be submitted between 1 July and 30 September.”

Note that they haven’t simply stopped publishing it – they have stopped “ collecting ” it.

What has happened to honour, the difference between doing what is right and wrong, and telling the truth?

223287 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to DeepBlueYonder, #220 of 2281 🔗

When they pause counting admissions – then even I will be worried and reaching for the conspiracy handbook! Input rate is what matters – hospital stay is relatively easy to guess (about 5-7 days). But admissions is the pointy end link to the community.

224280 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to DeepBlueYonder, #221 of 2281 🔗

How can not collecting data increase hospital capacity?
You certainly need a particular sort of mind to make this stuff up!

223139 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to djaustin, #222 of 2281 🔗

The same applies to flu though. 75% of flu is asymptomatic. Are you taking that into account as well? I can never tell with the flu IFR how it’s calculated. It seems to be from reported cases rather than via PCR, which is how the 0.1% arises (as far as I can tell…it’s very hard to work out…I’ve done a lot of googling and digging round the CDC website but it just reports IFR 0.1 without saying how it got there).

It seems to me they are not massively dissimilar in the proportion of people infected, proportion of asymptomatic and in mortality rate. The big difference is flu kills children and young people while COVID is primarily dangerous to those at the end of life.

223187 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to Sophie123, #223 of 2281 🔗

Yes, the IFR counts asymptomatic infections. Actually flu tends not to kill children in the UK, it does present a large morbidity burden in terms of hospital admissions though (higher rate than the elderly, surprisingly).

223149 ▶▶▶▶▶ Commander Jameson, replying to djaustin, 2, #224 of 2281 🔗

So there are some people who admitted for something and have a concomitant corona infection. What an earth-shattering observation. This could only come as news to a mathematician with limited knowledge of medicine, who has to sit down and work it all out from first principles.

You know very well why people in our industry who don’t support the mainstream narrative have to remain anonymous. For all you know I am just down the corridor from you!

How disgraceful that it has come to this in a discipline that only works when controversies are aired and worked through in good faith.

223217 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to Commander Jameson, #225 of 2281 🔗

For all you know I am just down the corridor from you!

If you know where I worked, you’ll know that isn’t physically possible 🙂

222504 Colin, 11, #226 of 2281 🔗

On a purely chartist analysis, deaths in Spain appear to have leveled out at the sub 200 mark over the last week and UK and France have made a breakout to the downside (lower high + lower low) in the last few days. This is before the UK LD has even started, but if the trend continues it will of course be because the government ‘acted in a decisive and timely manner’.

222511 RyanM, 7, #227 of 2281 🔗

I’ll be campaigning for Noem as well!

222514 Helen, replying to Helen, 14, #228 of 2281 🔗

Truth In The Timeline Of Covid by Covid Physician
in full is a timeline blow by blow account of the the NHS doctor’s experiences.

Its long but necessarily so.

Every single sentence is necessary to depict the state of the NHS during this so called pandemic. It also tells how NHS workforce have been SILENCED by mafioso style blackmail.

Here is the final sentence..

The NHS feels like it has been weaponised by the state, and used paradoxically to damage our health. Isn’t that a hell of a timeline?

If anyone is still in any doubt about the depth of the criminal facist take-over of the UK and still believes that ‘it’s government incompetence to blame ‘ then read Truth In The Timeline Of Covid .

222531 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Helen, 11, #229 of 2281 🔗

At 67 I now know that I can expect little or nothing from NHS during the next panic (or the continuation of this one). Making plans accordingly. Private if funds available (depending on Rishi), bottle of Laphroaigh and the chilly waters of the Swale if not.

222548 ▶▶▶ Helen, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 11, #230 of 2281 🔗

Coming from a NHS family (my father and one daughter) the final destruction of this once unique and terrific service marks the death nail of the country I loved. Its dead and I mourn for it.

222564 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Helen, 8, #231 of 2281 🔗

When was it so terrific?
The correct phrase is ‘death knell’, but I rather like ‘death nail’. Hammer in into Wancock’s coffin. And keep a sharpened stake handy.

222744 ▶▶▶▶▶ Helen, replying to annie, 4, #232 of 2281 🔗

Everything is relative Annie with the greatest respect..it was indeed terrific perhaps you are too young to remember.

Perhaps you are a supporter of the German model well the NHS was easily better at one time. Ever had a baby in Germany?

I have some perspective having spent 1/2 a life time here (Germany) 1/2 a lifetime there (UK) and some time living in the USA with three children.

One child was diagnosed with Juvenile Rheumatoid Polyarthritis at age 3 and treated in all three countries. Yes, unfortunately from this perspective I have been in a position to judge, have you?

222656 ▶▶▶▶ Alexei, replying to Helen, 10, #233 of 2281 🔗

Not directed at you, but to the genpop.

The NHS is either the “envy of the world” or “in crisis”. I’ve no idea how people hold both of these thoughts simultaneously, but they do. The mental fission required could probably power a fourth industrial revolution.

222751 ▶▶▶▶▶ Helen, replying to Alexei, #234 of 2281 🔗

yes, I hear all that when I visit home..

224060 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Alexei, #235 of 2281 🔗

NHS is, in my view, usually presented as the ‘envy of the world’ by the left-leaning media, academics etc because it is about the only institution created by the Labour Party that hasn’t yet collapsed under its own weight.

222680 ▶▶▶ LS99, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 4, #236 of 2281 🔗

Me too. I’ve never been one for visiting the doctor and find that most things clear up on their own given time. Last week I purchased a rather large nursing text book and I’ve already got a library of herbal medicine books and a set of tinctures. If I was on any medication, I think I would be looking for herbal alternatives or researching at home remedies.

Re private funds, the current UK set up assumes you have to go via your GP to get a referral – it’s a perfect example of Catch-22, you need a private appointment because you can’t see an NHS doctor but you need to see an NHS doctor to get referred to a private doctor.

222688 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to LS99, 1, #237 of 2281 🔗

Great post.

also to ensure you optimise your vitamin D3 levels. Always take with Vitamin K2 and Magnesium

223389 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Helen, 5, #238 of 2281 🔗

Excellent piece by the Covid Physician.

It left me even more bewildered than previously, and inevitably even more suspicious. So many questions, and no answers. A striking sentence:

It feels intellectually embarrassing to be anything other than Swedish.

224100 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Helen, 2, #239 of 2281 🔗

I think it’s one of the best and most damning pieces about the current situation that I’ve read so far and there’s been plenty of good stuff – mostly ignored by the majority and politicians. I like that the writer has no truck with the ‘second wave’ fiction and debunks it thoroughly. S/he doesn’t hold out much hope of lockdowns ending if things continue as they are. The writer elegantly spells out what is so horribly wrong without theorising what’s behind it all. There’s actually no need to: others are free to do that.

A legal equivalent would be Lord Sumsions’s masterly speech in Cambridge which similarly dissected the destruction of just about all our civil liberties and the Parliamentary process. Nobody could accuse him of any tinfoil hattery but if he’s scared and he clearly is, there is reason for us all to be and to keep fighting.

Some of our educated friends seem to be waking up a bit now but both these articles ought to give the most brainwashed person leave to doubt the insanely increasing panic and lies but to appreciate the real danger we all face, which has never been about any virus. We will be passing them on.

p.s. I set no store by the Tory ‘rebels’. It’s up to us – courage mes braves! MW

222515 chaos, replying to chaos, 20, #240 of 2281 🔗

6th Sense. Some creatures have 4 senses.. some 6 (sonar)…

I have a sense of forboding. Prof Sheldrake and others wonder whether the mind is a receiver of memories and information (like cloud computing) and not the repository for that information or those memories. In other words some or much of our reality is stored in the aether or our DNA… it might serve to explain synchronicities and deja vu. The memories of planarian worms ground up and fed to other planarian worms are seemingly transferred by virtue of being consumed.


In parliament and on my street I see sheeple. The destruction is going to go on for a while yet alas. Say bye bye to an ‘official’ Christmas. Say bye bye to more of the economy.

Wednesday is not yet ours to win but whatever happens Boris is now a marked man. The clock is now ticking on his premiership. He’s got months. Not years. Alas everyone in the wings is also a Davos man. And if Biden wins we are really up the swanny.

222532 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to chaos, 21, #241 of 2281 🔗

We are not even in lockdown and ministers are already talking about extending it,but they are just incompetent.
This is a coup and the sooner everyone realises it the better

222539 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 8, #242 of 2281 🔗

That isn’t going to happen by Wednesday. History dictates it will happen later rather than sooner. The UK is already damaged beyond repair…

222543 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to chaos, 15, #243 of 2281 🔗

The coup has already happened.They are consolidating their power

222555 ▶▶▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 8, #244 of 2281 🔗

I agree the coup is underway. I’m saying there will not be enough plebs and MP’s in opposition by Wednesday. We have lost Wednesday. Need to recognise that now but fight for it anyway.

224067 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to chaos, 1, #245 of 2281 🔗

Yes, all we can do is make sure our MPs know that we know. It won’t stop them this time, but it might make them that little bit afraid of what might be waiting for them in the future.

223096 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to chaos, #246 of 2281 🔗

The mind is flat.

We often think we develop deep rational understanding of particular aspects of our lives and draw on these when making decisions or assessing a situation. Nothing could be further from the truth.

222518 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 9, #247 of 2281 🔗

Johnners has certainly simulated the Collapse of Stout Party. Poor chap is bamboozled by graphs, not adequately elucidated in Homer.

Fortunately, he is looking like Death warmed up, so there is hope.

222525 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Stuart, 3, #248 of 2281 🔗

Pity we don’t have a 25th Amendment.

222522 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 18, #249 of 2281 🔗

A Tory rebellion? These MPs couldn’t rebel the skin off a rice pudding!

222535 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Basileus, 12, #250 of 2281 🔗

They are pathetic. Whilst I liked what Swayne says, I want more than words from them. I want them to use every trick in the book to undermine this government’s Reset collaboration.

222573 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Basileus, 6, #251 of 2281 🔗

Agreed. Be surprised if more than 10 vote against. We have been completely abandoned by our politicians and our media.

224072 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Achilles, 2, #252 of 2281 🔗

To be fair some of the papers like the Mail and Express have allowed sceptical columnists their say, although the general editorial tone of the newspapers has been pro-hysteria.

222523 Nigel Sherratt, 4, #253 of 2281 🔗

Unfair on Bligh in Round-Up . He rescued those cast adrift by the mutineers by a brilliant feat of navigation in an open boat. His grave decorated with breadfruit is in the churchyard at the Garden Museum next to Lambeth Palace, worth a visit.


222527 Mark H, replying to Mark H, 18, #254 of 2281 🔗

If thou doth not sacrifice thine firstborn’s future, the elders will surely perish, yay, 4000 of them upon the passing upon one day, the druids hath spoken!

We hath consulted the wisdom of the druids, whom hath carefully studied the pigeon’s entrails. And behold, the druids hath spoken to thee thusly, as shown to your discerning eye by these 2 graphs.

With the druids’ third eye of prophecy, the entrails hath revealed that, while your suckling child may cry out for comfort, thou should not leave thy hut to forage or hunt.

The gods shall delivery unto thee sufficient berries to last the winter. And if thine child doth pass, this shall be seen as a sacrifice worthy of the gods of springtime deliverance. For it is only by preserving the elders, even at the expense of the youngers, that the dire maladies of this winter shall be stayed.

For it has been spoken thusly by the pigeon entrails, the winds of death blow wild across our now barren land, a land stilled of labour and toil, of merriment and rejoicing. And tho this wind is unseen and unheard, thou should listen to the words of our druids, for it is only by hearing and believing thine druids that thou shall be delivered into a new dawn.

For if it doth save one life from this terrible wind, t’will be seen by the gods as course to be rewarded by a winter solstice celebration! Yet, alas, the druids hath foreseen a winter solstice of reduced size. Yet, thankful we shall be to celebrate, while remaining socially distanced and wearing a covering of leaves upon thine face.

Behold, the graphs of future winter devastation.

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222536 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Mark H, 8, #255 of 2281 🔗

Best kill all the cattle too on precautionary principle.

222551 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Mark H, 1, #256 of 2281 🔗

Love it.

222528 paologrigio, 11, #257 of 2281 🔗

When you look at how the ‘4000 deaths a day’ prediction was arrived at, how can anyone reasonably suggest that the government is unknowingly being pessimistic? They MUST know what they’re doing.

222529 John Stone, replying to John Stone, 5, #258 of 2281 🔗

I think this may be a useful formulation:-

The destruction that will caused by the policy is guaranteed while any mitigation of the impact of Covid is purely speculative. This is not a rational way to act.

222641 ▶▶ John Stone, replying to John Stone, #259 of 2281 🔗


The destruction that will be caused by the policy is guaranteed while any mitigation of the impact of Covid is purely speculative. This is not a rational way to act.

222797 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to John Stone, 4, #260 of 2281 🔗

“T his is not a rational way to act.”

Unless your aim is to impoverish everyone so that they all become dependent upon the state.

222530 Adam, replying to Adam, 6, #261 of 2281 🔗

If dopey Johnson doesn’t start to listen then He needs to go

224439 ▶▶ William Gruff, replying to Adam, #262 of 2281 🔗

Yes, that’ll do it, and a meeting of like minded souls will ensure he does.

How old are you?

222533 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 31, #263 of 2281 🔗

David Icke for more than thirty years has written that all our governments are working towards this so called New World Order which means radical depopulation, Artificial Intelligence, enforced vaccinations, military dictatorships and ultimately slavery. I know people call him a nutter, when his simple message is hope and defiance. Anyway, i think the reality today is more far fetched than anything Icke was talking about.

222541 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to nickbowes, 4, #264 of 2281 🔗

I hear you. But what’s with the lizard stuff? And that’s coming from an Ll-Rex.

222544 ▶▶▶ nickbowes, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 1, #265 of 2281 🔗

Shape- shfting Annunaki actually.

222545 ▶▶▶▶ John Stone, replying to nickbowes, 4, #266 of 2281 🔗

If Icke made a credible hypothesis incredible by mixing it with other very foolish things he did not do the world any favours.

223105 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to nickbowes, 2, #267 of 2281 🔗

Talked about in the Bible as it goes. though that part never makes the sermons on a Sunday for some reason.

According to Numbers 13:33, they later inhabited Canaan at the time of the Israelite conquest of Canaan .

The Lord said to Moses, “Send men to spy out the land of Canaan, which I am giving to the Israelites” … So they went up and spied out the land … And they told him: “… Yet the people who live in the land are strong, and the towns are fortified and very large; and besides, we saw the descendants of Anak there.” … So they brought to the Israelites an unfavorable report of the land that they had spied out, saying, “The land that we have gone through as spies is a land that devours its inhabitants; and all the people that we saw in it are of great size. There we saw the Nephilim (the Anakites come from the Nephilim); and to ourselves we seemed like grasshoppers, and so we seemed to them.”

222546 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 6, #268 of 2281 🔗

Well.. Icke didn’t predict The Great Reset. He looked instead at 5G. As for lizards.. it is entirely possible that alien life is interacting with us.. that we might even be a simulation created by our ancestors or alien life. Some 40 years ago we had Space invaders. A simple 2d game. Now we have games that appear 3d like Rust or GTA or Afterlife.. complex worlds and hundreds, thousands of multiple characters playing together around the world. Even if our 12 billion year old universe is real, our earth is 4 billion years old. Some planets were formed millions of years or even a few billion years before us. Imagine what our computer games will be like in 200 years.. or a thousand.. or ten thousand.. keep going.. if our future selves or an intelligent alien race more intelligent than us with a history of developing and creating technology thousands or millions of years beyond ours.. if they wrote us into existence – would you be able to tell you were ‘not real’? Would a group of Boris type aliens be round a table discussing the ethics of the simulated world and creatures they had created? Each sim experiencing ups, downs, loves and losses, trauma, illness, inequality, war…? They could even simulate an afterlife.

Icke did however talk about Prince andrew and Jimmy Savile before most others.. though whomever is behind the Aanirfan website may have fed some of these revelations.

Icke is not the oracle. He’s also a shrewd businessman. But he’s right about a lot of stuff.


222554 ▶▶▶▶ nickbowes, replying to chaos, 14, #269 of 2281 🔗

Icke used to perform 10 hour shows in front of vast arena`s across the world, one by one, inc the UK – he is now censored everywhere. If he was just a crank “they” should have just let him carry on burying himself talking about 9 foot reptilians etc..as for aliens, it is far fetched to think that the human race is anything other than a vast rat lab esp now

222646 ▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to chaos, 3, #270 of 2281 🔗

I tell you what if someone scripted me they would be utterly bored and wanting there money back.

223710 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to chaos, 1, #271 of 2281 🔗

Well.. Icke didn’t predict The Great Reset. He looked instead at 5G.

David covers lots of things.

And he’s been talking about UN/Davos/Bilderberg/WEF agendas for decades.

222607 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 13, #272 of 2281 🔗

Sorry that is a lazy smart-arsed reply. Icke and the lizards. He was mentally ill back then, some 30 years ago, after taking strong hallucinogenics in the Amazon. Also he was talking about what he thinks is a inter dimensional phenomenon. Could be true. Who knows. Apart from that. Everything else he talks about is mostly based on facts. He has been right for years.

Just look around at where we are now. It’s just like he said it would be.

222714 ▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Two-Six, 2, #273 of 2281 🔗

I didn’t know that. Thank you for updating me. I guess I have read a lot that he still believes that. Maybe I should have been sceptical..

222717 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 1, #274 of 2281 🔗


222726 ▶▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 2, #275 of 2281 🔗

I am aware of much of what he’s said, and that’s why I said ‘I hear you’ in my comment to Nick. I am grateful to you two-six for addressing my question re the ‘lizard stuff’.

222715 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Two-Six, 3, #276 of 2281 🔗

Confession – I’ve been lazy too – still haven’t watched any of his stuff since we spoke, but Mr CGL has said he has heard that he is a very good orator. My brother has said he is too.
I am literally not counting anything out at this point – even the lizards!! My mind is completely open and I’ll watch or listen to whatever anyone has to say.
Trouble is, most won’t will they.

223721 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Two-Six, #277 of 2281 🔗

Don’t think the a yahuasca – or the lizards – were 30 years ago.

(What’s the definition of a weak hallucinogenic ? 🙂 ).

224331 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to JohnB, 1, #278 of 2281 🔗

BBC news?

224323 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 1, #279 of 2281 🔗

Right now, it doesn’t matter whether that’s true or just weird.

I took my son to see Icke when he spoke in Leeds 20 years ago. He’d just published the stuff about the lizards and admitted that when people first aproached him with their stories, he thought they were nuts but there were just too many to ignore.

As Icke said as he opened the talk: “If what I’m saying is bollox, why do “they” go to so much trouble to prevent me from speaking?”

What matters at this moment is that he’s been right on 90% of his reporting and he’s been tracking this stuff for decades.
Maybe just keep an open mind or ignore the lizards. More things in heaven and earth etc Horatio!

222811 ▶▶ VickyA, replying to nickbowes, 5, #280 of 2281 🔗

I too have been reading David Icke for the last 15 years and was incredulous at at lot of what he said….but he “joins up the dots” as he puts it, and when you look at the evidence he was correct about most of it.
Also says we are spiritual beings having a physical experience- “infinite love is the only truth, everything else is illusion”. Let’s hope so, as I don’t want this to be reality!

223074 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to VickyA, 3, #281 of 2281 🔗

David Icke believes we should not acquiesce to tyranny, fair enough, he is a maverick what is wrong with that?. He has probably got more people thinking about this stuff than anybody,if you see the amount of his erm.. followers.

223110 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to nickbowes, #282 of 2281 🔗

A recent Facebook link to Icke saying all the right things.


224341 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to PastImperfect, #283 of 2281 🔗

Very clear – and not a lizard in sight!

222550 JPF, replying to JPF, 9, #284 of 2281 🔗

In the section “The grim reaper is owed a few souls” Toby seems to be assuming that all of the claimed “Covid deaths” are due to Covid, rather than just an artefact of the testdemic. I don’t think it helps the sceptic cause to ever take this at face value.

222566 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to JPF, 3, #285 of 2281 🔗

Indeed. Recording a Covid death as simply a death which occurs within 28 days of a positive test has got to muddy the waters somehow. It really is astonishing that a student suicide would count as a Covid death if that same student tested positive 28 days before taking their own life. And we already know how over-sensitive the PCR test is at picking up viral fragments.

222610 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Poppy, 2, #286 of 2281 🔗

PCRs, official ‘covid deaths’. It’s all statistical smoke and mirrors based on deceit.

No rational argument can be based on them.

222575 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to JPF, #287 of 2281 🔗

And that data is going back into the modelling to help project future situations

222553 swedenborg, 11, #288 of 2281 🔗

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-new-community-case-in-christchurch/BMZMUYJO3AOEQINCKMQZWUX6SY/ “After 10 days without community transmission another C-19 case in NZ. He is a person working in a isolation facility where they had 30 infected Russian fishermen isolated. They now plan as a precaution prolong the 14days quarantine with 1 day to begin with. They have strict rules how to work in such isolation camp, masked up etc and regular testing. They are puzzled how this could have happen.”
 Zero covid rather difficult isn’t it Sage, independent SAGE?

222557 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 10, #289 of 2281 🔗

Business owner uses Magna Carta to fob off police:


It’s really funny how its clear that police have no idea about the regulations much less about Magna Carta while the bloke simply asks them in a clear and calm manner.

They also sure look creepy with their masks with one of them constantly touching their face. Tsk….tsk…..

222612 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Bart Simpson, #291 of 2281 🔗

Ahh Magna Carter, what a fine woman she was….

224011 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Two-Six, #292 of 2281 🔗

Tony Hancock said she was the little peasant girl who made King John sign the pledge at Runneymede.

222558 Hoppy Uniatz, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 4, #293 of 2281 🔗

Well at least one good thing about going in to lockdown, people won’t have to wear those bloody masks any more.

222562 ▶▶ annie, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 6, #294 of 2281 🔗

Yes they will, in zombiemarkets.

222636 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 1, #295 of 2281 🔗

Some will probably wear them in their homes (just to be sure)

222712 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 2, #296 of 2281 🔗

Not if you are in California, where its compulsary even in your own home. I think you are allowed to take them off to eat/drink, but not to have sex.

222716 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to peyrole, 6, #297 of 2281 🔗

How’s policing that working out for them?

222559 alw, replying to alw, 37, #298 of 2281 🔗

We must all be encouraging businesses, restaurants, pubs etc to stay open. Mass disobedience means that the restrictions become unenforceable. We the people must stand up for the workers, their livelihoods and the future if this country.

222629 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to alw, 8, #299 of 2281 🔗

Unfortunately with some of the stuff with which I am involved it comes down to insurance, if you open things when you are not supposed to you are liable to invalidate your public liability insurance. I do work with the local wildlife trust, they have to check with their insurer to ensure what they do and how they operate will be covered by their liability insurance.

222708 ▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #300 of 2281 🔗

You put your finger on it. Insurance and consequently how much you have to pay for financial credit. Our last BoE Chairman spent most of his last 2 years heading up an international body to coordinate central banks and commercial banks worldwide to include ‘threats’ to include in premiums; mainly epidemics and climate change. They all now include such clauses which means every enterprise large and small has to dance to the same tune, otherwise their insurances will stop and credit lines will dry up.
I don’t know how many readers have BtL investments , but they will notice a new clause in their building insurance ( senior landlords) which deals with covid risk. It includes the ability of insurance companies to walk away if someone, anyone, feels that your building is a source of a covid infection and takes action, like knocking it down. This is not make believe, its true, check your policy if renewed after April 2020.

222565 Eddy, replying to Eddy, 1, #301 of 2281 🔗

4 years to the next G.E. if we ever have one again. What is Mr Farage hoping to achieve?

222576 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Eddy, 1, #302 of 2281 🔗

Are local elections coming up? Could be enough to cause a stir.

222581 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #303 of 2281 🔗

London mayoral elections postponed for next year. Should have been May of this year.

222591 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #304 of 2281 🔗

Oh well. Even a few points in the polls will do. It’s all these lot care about – themselves

222596 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #305 of 2281 🔗

I live in London and unfortunately there are enough deluded people who will still vote for that cretin in City Hall despite his efforts to bring the capital down to its knees.

222593 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #306 of 2281 🔗

Yes, locals did the trick last time. Clean sweep of all the Cons here, exhilarating! Put the wind up them and led to ditching May.

222652 ▶▶▶ petgor, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #307 of 2281 🔗

They will cancel them.

222567 matt, replying to matt, 66, #308 of 2281 🔗

In coordination with the WHO and the CCP, the governments of the major nations of the world have developed a novel approach to the management of a viral epidemic. The strategy is:
– imprison the population, with occasional periods of relative freedom, subject to bizarre and arbitrary restrictions and mandated behaviour. There will also be a dress code.
– destroy the economy
– remove access to healthcare
– wilfully neglect the elderly and the vulnerable
– suppress all expressions of joyfulness, human interaction and access to culture and entertainment indefinitely

Since this is so clearly the right approach, anyone who disagrees must be a far-right libertarian crackpot conspiracy theorist.

If you require any detail, or have any queries, please feel free to f**k off.

222582 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to matt, 23, #309 of 2281 🔗

I just read a very shouty leftist, triggered by Farage’s reappearance, describe the anti-lockdown position as “social Darwinism”. Because *deliberate misunderstanding of herd immunity* = “survival of the fittest”, so eugenics, so Nazis and there we are, the reductio ad Hitlerum is smoothly accomplished.
The only consolation is that these people are probably going to be too frightened or too “ideologically committed” to emerge from their parents’ basements for years after full communal immunity has been achieved. They’ll still be turning up in 2060, like Japanese soldiers in the Filipino jungle, thinking WW2 is still on. Blinking into the light they’ll emerge asking why no one is wearing masks and why all the police are Chinese.

222590 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #310 of 2281 🔗

Their sneaking out to forage for food is what worries me.

222698 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #311 of 2281 🔗

Good! We will all be better off without the tiny-minded twats.

222814 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 10, #312 of 2281 🔗

This kind of idiocy is common on the left – see Jeremy Corbyn describing the government’s Swedish-style herd immunity strategy pre-panic as “eugenics”.

It’s basically the intellectual aspect of the overall hysteria that derailed rational response in March.

222615 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to matt, 2, #313 of 2281 🔗

You forgot psychopath and extreme narcissist

222569 mrjoeaverage, 42, #314 of 2281 🔗

Never has a throwaway comment in today’s edition, without realising, summed up the sheer problem we have to overcome:

“ My friend the famous financial journalist, who cannot be named because it would jeopardise his career”

222570 Mark T, replying to Mark T, 25, #315 of 2281 🔗

And my letter to my MP:

Dear Felicity Buchan,
As you are no doubt aware, Lockdown II is proposed to begin imminently. Although I disagreed with Lockdown I (certainly beyond only a short amount of time), I could at least understand the thinking behind it. This time, however, I am at a complete loss as to how and why it can be justified.
The trampling of individual rights and liberty are reason enough to call the entire idea of Lockdown into question. But as this seems to be an afterthought, let’s focus on the “practical” aspects of things (it is worth noting that these are based on empirical evidence and observable data – not on non-peer reviewed and speculative models / predictions):
1. It is inconclusive at best as to whether Lockdowns have or have not had any actual effect on CoVid transmissions. There may be correlation, but causation is not proven. Indeed, it can be shown that the infection rate in the UK was already subsiding BEFORE Lockdown I was implemented (suggesting that citizens were making their own risk assessments and changing their behaviour of their own free will).
2. Suicide, depression, child and spousal abuse, cancer related deaths and countless other problems with mental, physical and emotional health have skyrocketed because of Lockdown.
3. Unemployment is shockingly high and will only get worse with Lockdown II.
4. Millions of students (particular those in lower income households) received virtually no education for multiple months and face a teacher’s union that seems openly hostile to doing their job.
5. In spite of all the CoVid scare tactics and hysteria, excess deaths are barely above average years.
6. Government borrowing is many multiple billions – and growing. It may be sound-byte friendly to say that the government is “helping out” or providing “support” but as the government does not produce anything, what it is doing is nothing more than taking from some to give to others. In this case, it is taking money from the future which means that the youth (who are at less risk from CoVid than they are from common flu) of this country are getting trashed today with the sacrifice of their education (and freedoms) as well as in the future with lower employment aspects and higher taxes.
How can this be? Why does the government listen to nobody but SAGE and Imperial College despite their models and predictions proving to be spectacularly wrong (and in the case of Imperial College, wrong for multiple decades)? Why is readily observable data being ignored? Of all the options open to government, how is it that the one being chosen is the one that restricts the liberty and freedom of the greatest number of people while simultaneously maximising the amount of deaths, physical and mental health problems and financial ruin for millions and millions of the population?
The decision to pursue Lockdown II is an act of insanity -it is a decision to deliberately cause the maximum amount of misery for the maximum amount of people in this country. I hope to read that each of you has vociferously opposed this unjustifiable act of tyranny and wilful destruction.
Yours sincerely,

222572 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Mark T, 3, #316 of 2281 🔗

Well said!

222616 ▶▶ Jenny, replying to Mark T, 3, #317 of 2281 🔗

Very good. Mine was a lot shorter. I just said that I had voted for him in 2019 but wouldn’t next time if he voted for Lockdown II and referred him to my earlier letters. He only has a majority of 628 and I doubt he will vote against the government but he may rattle a few cages given he is certainly in the “vulnerable” category.

222649 ▶▶▶ petgor, replying to Jenny, 2, #318 of 2281 🔗

They think and they probably are, secure for another four years.

222878 ▶▶ Locked down and out, replying to Mark T, #319 of 2281 🔗

Absolutely spot on.

222571 chaos, replying to chaos, 16, #320 of 2281 🔗

Remember folks. It’s a Reset so Great.. so equal, so fair, so wonderous, so perfect.. that the leaders of this Save the Whales Utopia have to use the lie of a pandemic, a cold no worse than a flu.. and the misery and deaths (from cancer etc) and loss of businesses of millions of people to orchestrate it. It’s that good they can’t tell us about it. It’s that great the billionaires just have to have it for us. One of those billionaires will be the first (official) trillionaire by 2025. We are all going to love this new normal.

222813 ▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to chaos, 2, #321 of 2281 🔗

And even if we are bored out of our minds with no theatre, no pubs, no jobs and having to take a pitiful government handout for the rest of our lives…we will be Green!!! 🙁

224375 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Sceptic Hank, #322 of 2281 🔗

If you’re over 55 you’ll probably be Soylent Green.

222574 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 6, #323 of 2281 🔗

Amazed that the various FTSE indices are only down no more than .03%. How does that work? Hotels, restaurants, travel, “non essential” retail absolutely shot

222578 ▶▶ matt, replying to arfurmo, 5, #324 of 2281 🔗

Most of this shitstorm is already priced in, because it’s been anticipated for ages.

222585 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to matt, 2, #325 of 2281 🔗

Plus the VIX is coiling for the presidential result. Should be interesting after that

222628 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to arfurmo, 5, #326 of 2281 🔗

I have a lot of friends in the outdoor industries. They’ve all bar none, been working non stop to keep up with demand. For my work ( that’s been massively reduced ) I go behind the scenes in a number of different industries. I’m hearing the can’t keep up with demand conversation a lot.
I think we’re seeing the massive expansion of gap between the haves and have nots

222635 ▶▶ Alexei, replying to arfurmo, 3, #327 of 2281 🔗

Sterling is being taken to the woodshed though. At this point I think only the markets can stop this insanity.

222692 ▶▶ CGL, replying to arfurmo, 1, #328 of 2281 🔗

Follow the money!

222577 Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 16, #329 of 2281 🔗

Carl Heneghan was brilliant on TalkRadio just now.

It’s a shame that he’s having to balance playing politics with his evidence based position, so as not to alienate these politicians who have made dreadful decisions. Things would be so different if the government just listened to him.

222589 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 4, #330 of 2281 🔗

It is amazing that the evidence, the reality, the lessons of history are ignored and we spook ourselves with soothsaying based on floored assumptions.

222598 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #331 of 2281 🔗

But Heneghan and Co. have floored them, too.

222600 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 1, #332 of 2281 🔗

Same faces + voices on the same shows.

222603 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 9, #333 of 2281 🔗

Yes very good. But this is a turkey shoot now. The government will be going naked into the Commons Chamber with nothing to support their case for an incredibly damaging national Lockdown.

The only question is: “How many Tory MPs are very craven and how many are only mildly craven (none are brave except perhaps Swayne)?” Now they have the spectre of Farage before them – his ghoulish presence can only build rebellion. And it appears that even slow-witted Baker realises he was lied to about the stats.

222579 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 23, #334 of 2281 🔗

Received an email from our Big Cheese last night confirming that we are to close from Thursday and hoping that the new exhibition will open as scheduled on 4 December.

We are already on knife edge and this will make our financial problems even worse. If anything this confirms for me once and for all that compulsory redundancies will be a reality. We were consulted about a proposed restructuring but I suspect that this lockdown will simply force our management to implement shock therapy to stem the tide of an even bigger deficit.

I’m still baffled as to how and why work colleagues can still be blind to the fact that lockdowns don’t work and that our jobs are seriously now on the line.

222586 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Bart Simpson, 12, #335 of 2281 🔗

I don’t understand either. I was supposed to return to work 50% this month, it’s now likely I’ll be furloughed again.

Not a word against from colleagues. Forgetting the fact that furlough itself hurts us in the pocket, I don’t understand why they can’t seem to see that as this drags on and on, the company’s cash reserves are being depleted and we all move closer to redundancy. It’s a sickness.

222595 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 15, #336 of 2281 🔗

Agree. We are looking at a financial hole and not helped by losing out over the Easter holidays and not being able to open a popular site over the summer.

Two of my colleagues whooping at the prospect of another lockdown last Saturday was so offensive on many levels that only a reality check in the form of redundancy might wake them up.

222632 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #337 of 2281 🔗

Indeed. It’s crazy. My company is very large with a presence worldwide and I think for some colleagues it’s unimaginable that they could ever be close to the brink. They seem unable to compute the reality, even though the company has already had to sell and lease back many, many assets, and made no secret of this.

As for people celebrating lockdown, not sure I could even type my thoughts out about people like that.

222647 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 6, #338 of 2281 🔗

As for people celebrating lockdown, not sure I could even type my thoughts out about people like that.

Same here. I had to walk away because I didn’t want to risk losing my job in order to stoop down to their level.

222675 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 1, #339 of 2281 🔗

I’ve been wondering this when looking at contracts on projects that I know are under pressure. Getting outside workers in is going to be impossible with lockdowns. A lot of contracts require physical testing so how’s that going to be done?

And they are already in trouble due to the overall market.

222611 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Bart Simpson, 13, #340 of 2281 🔗

Because the majority of the population have no idea how business works. They think all businesses are awash with cash and have no idea of the thin margins that most business operate off of with labour being the greatest expense.

222621 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to JHuntz, 11, #341 of 2281 🔗

You’re right. The amount of financial and business illiteracy around is staggering, even my in-laws who are experts in their field think that money grows on trees and business are always swimming in cash.

222667 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to JHuntz, 5, #342 of 2281 🔗

I was a debt collector for years and most small to medium businesses I visited were always virtually insolvent and mostly 1 bad month away from going bust. If a customer went bust and could not pay they were screwed.

p.s. I was a very firm but fair debt collector

222679 ▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to stefarm, 3, #343 of 2281 🔗

Also because the interest rates for small businesses are percentages greater than those for large businesses. The margin for payments is much smaller.

222672 ▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to JHuntz, 5, #344 of 2281 🔗

It’s true. There are plenty of commentators I’ve seen claiming that businesses with debt should be allowed to collapse because they are unsustainable. Setting up or expanding a business often requires that people borrow money, much as buying or improving a house does. Would these people believe that anyone who takes out a mortgage deserves bankruptcy?

222877 ▶▶▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to Andrew Fish, 4, #345 of 2281 🔗

Quite. It was a very different attitude when the global financial crisis occurred. Large financial institutions that were basically insolvent from their own practices were rescued.

222654 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Bart Simpson, -10, #346 of 2281 🔗

To be clear, lockdowns work if they are done early enough.
But they are incredibly destructive, they are an assault on basic human dignity, and with hundreds of millions of people infected around the world, it’s too late, unless your ambition is to become a hermit state like China or Vietnam.

222666 ▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to stewart, 9, #347 of 2281 🔗

Two problems: firstly, early enough usually means before you know there is a problem, so it might have worked to lock down in December last year, but by March the horse had definitely bolted. Secondly, it only works if everyone else does the same thing – as long as the disease is still out there it’s only a matter of time before it reaches you again, and with no built up herd immunity you’d have to lock down all over again. St Jacinda is not going to look so good if the virus is endemic, because when the rest of the world is getting back to normal, she’ll either have to downplay rising cases as not being a problem for some reason or keep locking down every time new ones turn up for years to come.

222668 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to stewart, 3, #348 of 2281 🔗

From the original NPI paper, the conclusion was that lockdowns work if they are applied early enough in a community isolated from the virus as in 1918. The spread due to travel was much slower but the news wasn’t. So you could get prepared before a critical amount of infections, which in itself was very low.

That situation is virtually impossible now. The best way to deal with a pandemic is to make sure you are actually measuring deaths from it without changing your system leading to anciliary deaths and then labelling them virus deaths.

Again, that is hard because societies adapt voluntary so the health care system will also adapt. A question for example is would the DNRs have been issued even without reacting to mandatory government advice?

222597 Barney McGrew, 4, #349 of 2281 🔗

I just want to give a shout out to ‘M. Pentadactyla’ who wrote yesterday’s piece on Covid and the religious impulse:

It’s a brilliant, funny, clever essay.

222601 chaos, replying to chaos, 7, #350 of 2281 🔗

Oh joy!!!!

My impending ASDA order is showing virtually nothing is available.. no apples.. bananas.. no milk.. no cereal.. no chips.. no fish.. no dish sponges..

222604 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to chaos, 10, #351 of 2281 🔗

It’s not even a proper lockdown this time. Just goes to show how many are still hooked on a diet of BBC news bulletins. Probably wanting to go the extra mile in the war effort.

222627 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to chaos, 6, #352 of 2281 🔗

Ocado and Sains have a lot of stuff, ‘not available until 17.11.20, don’t know why that is

222843 ▶▶ davews, replying to chaos, 1, #353 of 2281 🔗

Apart from an empty toilet roll shelf our Tesco seemed to have plenty of stock this morning.

222874 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to davews, 3, #354 of 2281 🔗

Why do people panic buy toilet roll?!

Really don’t understand this.

222961 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to chaos, 1, #355 of 2281 🔗

Local Morrisons was normal and calm – well stocked shelves and no-one was buying bog roll.

223926 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #356 of 2281 🔗

Our local Waitrose too, the only thing in short supply was loo roll.

People still in (or regressed to) the anal stage of development ?

224334 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to JohnB, 1, #357 of 2281 🔗

Hopefully this means that some people have seen sense.

Perversely this lockdown as loathsome as it is, has loads of “get out of jail” clauses which means that there is no need to panic buy.

223920 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to chaos, 2, #358 of 2281 🔗

Can’t do the washing up then ! 🙂

222602 Steeve, 6, #359 of 2281 🔗

Just written my off the cuff letter to my MP – Short and succinct! Have a good day all!

222609 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #360 of 2281 🔗

Toby: residents of care homes are being EVICTED for the crime of seeing their relatives through a window. I realize this sounds impossibly insane even for Britain in 2020, but it seems to be true.


222674 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #361 of 2281 🔗

Went to the Care Campaigns page. They’d shared a DM article, which is being flagged as sensitive by Twitter


222618 Jane in France, replying to Jane in France, 28, #362 of 2281 🔗

It’s funny that 70 per cent seem to be in favour of continued house arrest in Britain, because that’s exactly the percentage of people in France who are also in favour according to the radio. The teaching unions are also stirring up their members to protest about their dangerous working conditions. Their working conditions certainly are horrible, but not for the reasons the unions are saying. (I’m not a teacher, but personally, getting my head chopped off in the street would worry me more than catching a virus.) This morning at the primary school gates there was a huge crowd of kids all masked waiting to be let in one by one. Across the road a police van full of men in blue were making sur there were no bare faces. The France I’ve lived in very happily since 2003 no longer exists. Although I suppose we aren’t far from Vichy.

222625 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Jane in France, 4, #363 of 2281 🔗

Oh my word! What a haunting image! Those poor little kids 🙁

222633 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Jane in France, 4, #364 of 2281 🔗

Sounds terrible, going for the children, the easy targets, always happens

222639 ▶▶ petgor, replying to Jane in France, 6, #365 of 2281 🔗

It’s those with secure jobs, pensions and 100% salary, who think that disaster will never hit them. They equate their jobs with those who produce something useful.

223952 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to petgor, 1, #366 of 2281 🔗

I have a secure job (at present). 100% salary (at present). And a pension.

Bollocks petgor. Like many generalisations.

Or are you being paid to divide us ?

222643 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Jane in France, 9, #367 of 2281 🔗

The chopping off of heads is supposed to worry you. Or the French in this case. Some muslims are loopy, but look more closely at the timing of these supposedly similar beheadings.To me it looks like a false flag to make people more inclined to stay in. Divide and conquer.

222660 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to chaos, 7, #368 of 2281 🔗

You beat me to it

222927 ▶▶▶ Jane in France, replying to chaos, #369 of 2281 🔗

Oh yes, I’ve read about that, Chaos. There’s a very good site called Covidemence which draws attention to the timing. But the teachers haven’t thought about that, so in their world you would think they’d be more worried about beheadings than masks, but there you go.

223242 ▶▶▶▶ TT, replying to Jane in France, 3, #370 of 2281 🔗

Censorship is reaching Stalinesque levels in France – there was one good website publishing critical viewpoints on the scamdemic (covidinfos.net), mainly written by medical professionals, academics, etc. who criticized and questioned the government’s handling of the crisis. No new content has appeared there for over a month now, not a single explanation either. Clearly they’re cracking down on any dissenting viewpoint now (and this was a site that didn’t even deal in any of the more radical stuff,merely scientists and dr’s like those behind GBD in the UK who wanted to consider alternatives to deal with this self-inflicted mess). It’s a coup, period.

223907 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jane in France, replying to TT, 2, #371 of 2281 🔗

TT, covidinfos is still putting up the videos from Raoult’s hospital in Marseilles and it has a very good forum with lots of contributions every day. All the articles they published had already been published elsewhere, mainly in mainstream newspapers – so I think they probably feel they’ve done their bit.There is also an excellent site covidemence.com

223958 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to TT, 2, #372 of 2281 🔗

They’ve always been a tad loopy. Cannabis leaves illegal on t-shirts, for example.

222644 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Jane in France, 11, #373 of 2281 🔗

I don’t believe those polls.

In fact, there is repeated evidence showing that what people end up doing doesn’t match what they say they think.

222939 ▶▶▶ Jane in France, replying to stewart, 7, #374 of 2281 🔗

I don’t believe them either. That’s why I thought it was odd that the poll results in Britain and France should be the same at around 70 per cent. That 70 per cent figure is carefully calculated. If it was 52 per cent non-sceptics might begin to wonder if they should go over to the other side, if it was 93 per cent nobody would believe it, but 71 per cent is just the number to keep non-sceptics on board and make sceptics despair.

223962 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to stewart, 1, #375 of 2281 🔗

Didn’t Mr Fox commission a poll the other day which said the opposite ?

222694 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to Jane in France, 7, #376 of 2281 🔗

Mutterings in French govt circles about ‘doing a Wales’ and stopping supermarkets selling non-essentials and clamping down on amazon. To save the small independent retailer.
Better get ordering for anything you might need and want for Xmas I think.
Every western govt, except Trump admin ( well at least for next 24 hrs) is turning their free market ecomony into a command and control economy.

222944 ▶▶▶ Jane in France, replying to peyrole, 6, #377 of 2281 🔗

They were saying that on the radio this morning. Somebody in the French government must have been to Wales. But I know that more shops in my small town are staying open this time so we’ll see what happens. Also you might have noticed that the Mayor of Montauban is refusing to close down small shops and will pay any fines out of the city’s budget.

222619 reason, 16, #378 of 2281 🔗

The dodgy data used by Dimwhitty and Unbalanced is being questioned in the MSM. I don’t expect much will come of it until Boris hangs them out to dry when the inquest eventually takes place. Perhaps I am being optimistic in thinking it will actually take place!

222622 Moomin, replying to Moomin, 15, #379 of 2281 🔗

Just posted this on my FB page with a copy of the letter template and the latest petition. I have very few followers but it feels like I’ve done something.

‘As Boris Johnson and his Chief Medical Liars continue their crusade to kill even more people and destroy even more businesses and ruin British society with their one track obsession with a cruel, inhumane and ineffective lockdown policy, please can I urge you to sign the following petition or at least send the following letter to your MP? This government’s intentions are NOT for the good of this nation and the longer this goes on the more I become convinced that they are of evil intent.
Dear ????,
This week you will be called upon to authorise a second lockdown across England. As your constituent, I urge you to reject this proposal on the grounds that lockdowns are ruinous to lives, livelihoods and liberty.
Lives are lost when other medical services are suspended. Lives are ruined by depression and domestic violence which accompany lockdowns. Livelihoods are destroyed and countless families impoverished with future generations left to bear the costs of this ruinous policy. Liberty is suspended as the government rules by decree. Parliament is sidelined and its constitutional role seriously diminished.
Lockdown is not only a cruel and blunt instrument for dealing with COVID-19, it is singularly ineffective. We’re told that hospitals are about to be overwhelmed. yet how much confidence should we have in epidemiological models when their forecasting record to date has been so poor?
Evidence from around the world reveals no correlation between lockdowns and coronavirus fatalities. In fact, Peru, the country with the highest fatality rate also had one of the earliest and strictest lockdowns. By contrast, Sweden, which had no lockdown, has suffered no excess deaths this year. A policy of “focused protection” for the vulnerable offers a viable alternative approach to a second lockdown and is the approach that has been used historically.
We have reached a critical moment in our country’s history. If you truly care for the health and welfare of the nation, or are concerned about the future of Parliament, our constitution and liberties, you must reject this second lockdown.
Kind regards,


222631 ▶▶ petgor, replying to Moomin, 2, #380 of 2281 🔗

Signed it. Well done.

222634 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Moomin, 1, #381 of 2281 🔗

Thanks. I need to write to my MP but I am running out of inspiration.

222669 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Stephanos, 4, #382 of 2281 🔗

Write anything you like – it is volume that counts.

222740 ▶▶ VickyA, replying to Moomin, 2, #383 of 2281 🔗

Thanks used it today with few added bits. (Futile as my MP has replied to nothing so far). I added the point I heard this morning that if we had read about these measures in any other country we would condemn them as totalitarian.
Also did 1922 yesterday.

222623 chaos, replying to chaos, 27, #384 of 2281 🔗

My 70 odd year old mum mostly wrote this (I helped her by email.. and nicked a bit of something from above). She’s come a long way since loving Boris and believing there was a killer virus… she is fully accepting this is now unlikely just cockups.. that something more sinister is at play.. she reads Brietbart, Spectator etc and our family links in Australia means she has become aware of Sky News Australia and Australian Spectator articles on Great Reset – family members have sent here those links.

Dear Tory Boy (ok she didn’t call him this!)

I am writing to you because I am very concerned about the harm another lockdown will bring.

Despite thousands of visitors visiting our county for trips and vacations, the case rates in XXXXXX are so low that they could not be included in recent figures. It was pleasing to see the towns ‘buzzing’ and shops open again for business, albeit with the economic handicap of ‘safety’ measures e.g. masks and social distancing. Nevertheless, I observed that people were mindful and respected the rules and still had a great time.

Boris Johnson’s announcement on Saturday 31st October that it was again necessary to protect the NHS with a prediction of daily deaths almost twice as high as experienced in the USA at their peak appears implausible. We know that most cases are asymptomatic and/or false positives because the PCR test is not designed for mass-testing. Thousands of cancer diagnosis have not taken place as well as elective surgery on hold from the first lockdown. I do not think there will be many people banging their saucepans on the doorstep during this lockdown. If the NHS really cannot cope with a virus with a death rate lower than previous flu pandemics (e.g. those in 1968 and 2018) it needs reform. The death toll from flu and pneumonia is currently much greater than the covid death toll nationally and how many deaths recorded as covid are or were a direct result of covid? A relative of mine died recently. He was dying of stage 4 cancer and other complications such as COPD before covid hit. He had lived beyond the average age (some 82 years for a man in the UK) yet covid was recorded as a cause of death despite no test for such being undertaken. This seems wrong and even sinister. I have heard many similar stories. It is obvious that we have to live with this virus in the same way as we live with the dozens of other colds and flus. As Desmond Swayne MP and others point out covid is not The Hong Kong or Spanish Flu.

The PM states that he is following the science however his science appears selective and opaque and at odds with other scientists at Harvard, Oxford, Cambridge, Stanford, etc. Also, the futility of lockdowns and the damage they cause are now so well-known even the WHO now advises against them. Evidence from around the world reveals no correlation between lockdowns and coronavirus fatalities. For example, Peru, the country with the highest fatality rate had one of the earliest and strictest lockdowns. By contrast, Sweden, which had no lockdown has suffered no excess deaths this year. In fact, our excess fatality rate is also no higher than average.

So what are the real reasons behind this decision? Is it a ‘casedemic’ rather than a pandemic as many now suggest? Is covid a trojan horse for a dystopian WEF Davos ‘Great Reset’? Is this Davos’ coup d’etat? As James Delingpole, writer for The Spectator and Brietbart points out, ‘it can hardly be a conspiracy if it is discussed openly’. The Great Reset has been reported on in the Spectator (UK and Australia editions), Sky News Australia, Telegraph, Guardian, Independent, Daily Mail, Brietbart, etc. WEF discusses how covid is the opportunity to enact The Great Reset. WEF Davos partners such as Goldman Sachs and The Rockerfeller Foundation have given whole pages to the Great Reset on their websites. Key individuals in government and their advisors appear to have links to WEF Davos partnering organisations and potential conflicting interests e.g. shares in GSK – one of the companies at the forefront in the search for a vaccine.

I could write so much more but the anger inside me a 75 year old cannot be good for me. Whether ‘cock up’ or conspiracy, many predict we are heading for economic carnage dwarfing that seen at any point in recent history including the 1930’s. I ask that you vote against this new restriction.

222642 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to chaos, 4, #385 of 2281 🔗

great letter

222624 Alexei, replying to Alexei, 8, #386 of 2281 🔗

On the ground in West London this morning: it’s the zombie apocalypse. I’ve never seen so many outdoor masks, especially among the under-50s.

Yesterday I also saw a parked ambulance with no staff or patients. This was a recurring phenomenon throughout LD1.

222776 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Alexei, 3, #387 of 2281 🔗


222798 ▶▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to Sam Vimes, 6, #388 of 2281 🔗

And they think people wore gas masks in the war! No they didn’t; they carried them round in little boxes. After the first year or so, most had probably perished. Do they honestly think they went round standing in queues and doing their allotments with gas masks on?!!

223977 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Caroline Watson, 1, #389 of 2281 🔗

Not perished ! I remember playing with my grandmother’s, in the 60s. 🙂

222626 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 18, #390 of 2281 🔗

The dictator and his modelling bitches tell us to expect a wave every six months and the number of deaths will double with each wave

By my calculations (Grade 1 CSE Maths seeing as you ask) the whole population of Britain will have thrown off this mortal coil by either May or June 2024

While we await our fate may we please have the pubs open so we can party

222663 ▶▶ Mrs S, replying to Cecil B, 4, #391 of 2281 🔗

And the churches so we can pray.

222665 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Cecil B, 3, #392 of 2281 🔗

I am also not much of a mathematician and so i may have missed something but;

  1. Last week 161,00 people tested +ve for SARS-cov2 virus (supposedly!)
  2. Last week the number of Covid cases in hospital went up by 2000 (from 7200 to 9200)
  3. That indicates to me that 98.8% of the people tested were immune to getting serious Covid disease.

I well over 90% of the population are immune to serious Covid disease, does this not indicate that already most people are immune to serious Covid and should this not be a major factor in deciding public health policy.
Have I missed something? is my maths flawed?

222686 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #393 of 2281 🔗

At least 20 per cent of the hospital “cases” are test pos, but in for something else.

222637 Moomin, replying to Moomin, #394 of 2281 🔗

Hi, someone posted a list yesterday or the day before of all the email addresses for the 1922 Committee but I can’t find it. Can anyone provide the list please as I want to send them all an email?

222741 ▶▶▶ Moomin, replying to stewart, #396 of 2281 🔗

Thanks Stewart.

222755 ▶▶▶ Moomin, replying to stewart, 1, #397 of 2281 🔗

I’ve sent off the email.

222662 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Moomin, #398 of 2281 🔗

Have just posted it here as a reply, waiting for Approval (too many links, maybe).

222664 ▶▶▶ Moomin, replying to stewart, #399 of 2281 🔗


222645 Bugle, replying to Bugle, 9, #400 of 2281 🔗

Until the government comes clean, the results of things like the ComRes poll are highly suspect, because the public is so misinformed due to government propaganda that its views cannot be taken seriously.

Also, what are we to make of the discrepancy between opinions and compliance? Or the lag between diktat and compliance? Most people did not wear masks until the end of the notice period, which tends to suggest they acted out of coercion rather than fear. What are we to make of the heavily attended last chance for a booze up, or popular last chance to go to the shops?

Clearly for whatever reason, polls are not accurate reflections of the public’s true state of mind.

222651 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Bugle, 11, #401 of 2281 🔗

Indeed. I live opposite a pub and it’s been pretty busy and rowdy the last couple of days. Clearly, these people are very afraid and cannot wait to be locked up, the polls told me so.

222659 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to Bugle, 12, #402 of 2281 🔗

Polls are a measure of how many people believe that other people should be locked up. Behaviour is a measure of how many people think that they should be locked up.

For the first time I was worried yesterday. I went to the cinema, it was deserted. People really believe this crap now.

222670 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Recusant, 2, #403 of 2281 🔗

Are there even any films out that large numbers want to see? I’m willing to bet that if the new Bond film came out tomorrow, cinema only, that they’d be quite busy.

222682 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Bugle, 2, #404 of 2281 🔗

Pollsters invariably produce results to represent the wants of those who pay for them. We will very likely see this very clearly in the US tomorrow. I don’t know anybody who agrees with the business shutdown proposed by Bunter, or of any of the previous restrictions. If you poll the 100% paid Public Sector the result will be different. More in the private sector though, who are overwhelmingly against this.

222648 Phil Beckley, 9, #405 of 2281 🔗

SAGE do not get any figures from doing real science: which depends on verification of predictions in the real world. We now have real world results disproving SAGE’s modelling from Sweden, several of the states in America, elsewhere, which are doing much better than states that had lockdowns; and by looking at data relating to the progress of the disease in detail. Scientists can be politically motivated: this seems to be the case with SAGE. The Government should be guided by other considerations than what particular scientists say, especially when SAGE are so obviously simply scaremongering: in line with their declared objective back in March. They are doing the same thing now, plus a bit of emotional blackmail of the Government. But there is no excuse for the Government of being panicked this time; and history will judge them accordingly.

222650 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 19, #406 of 2281 🔗





222657 ▶▶ Moomin, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 3, #407 of 2281 🔗


222827 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 10, #408 of 2281 🔗

I agree. I find the site of masks anger-provoking and very upsetting. When I see the repulsive things on young children I find it utterly despicable. It is indeed abuse.

223027 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #409 of 2281 🔗

Hear, hear!!!

222653 court, 4, #410 of 2281 🔗

The ‘strongly advised face covering’ at our primary school diktat that began this morning has brought out 95%+ compliance. From <5% before half term.

In other news, this weekend was very busy for the local plod near me… fantastic work, just wish I had an invite! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-54769055

222655 Moomin, replying to Moomin, 40, #411 of 2281 🔗

Had a really bad and low day yesterday. It was exacerbated by a brief conversation with a neighbour and former work colleague as I was putting some stuff into my car.

As he walked up the street he shouted, ‘Ready for another lockdown Kev?’.

To which I replied, ‘No, I’ve never agreed with lockdowns they are cruel and inhumane and ineffective.’

Reply, ‘Well we have to do something to protect ourselves’ or words to that effect.

To which I replied, ‘The whole thing has been totally disproportionate.’

Then he just said, ‘Well I think you are wrong’ and just stormed off!


222671 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Moomin, 16, #412 of 2281 🔗

And there you have it both your points encourage discussion whereas his points are blanket statements that discourage discussion. The majority of our problems in society are built around the erosion of our ability to have rationale debates and an egoistic reluctance to change our point of view.

222683 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to JHuntz, 17, #413 of 2281 🔗

Yes. It’s very difficult to get people to engage properly on this issue. As you say it’s the same on many issues.

I’m still waiting for an average Joe, in real life, to put a reasoned argument forward for lockdowns, and explain to me why they think they are a good idea without just parroting government slogans or emotional drivel.

I find the silence and unwillingness to talk infuriating.

222785 ▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 4, #414 of 2281 🔗

The most frustrating part is people see it as an attack on their character to question their position. you have to be very tactful in trying to break people free from the shackless of MSM narrative.

222786 ▶▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to JHuntz, #415 of 2281 🔗


222871 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to JHuntz, 3, #416 of 2281 🔗

Yeah, sad to say I’m not good at persuading people on issues like this. I get too frustrated.

222690 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Moomin, 6, #417 of 2281 🔗

Get the same attitude from my elder son; totally dismissive.

222837 ▶▶▶ davews, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #418 of 2281 🔗

I made a comment on another forum that I had a sleepless night. One of my friends on that forum just rang me – starting by saying I should get some help if I was having sleepless nights…. but then goes on about COVID. He is on the vaccine trial and totally committed to that being the answer. Although he agrees the lockdown is bad he seems to think everything else we are doing is right, saying ‘I talk to lots of very knowledgeable people in medicine’ He dismissed everything I was saying and that he was basically right. Fifteen minute phone call that hardly made me feel any better. We have a huge gap to bridge, hopefully when the 4000 deaths don’t appear they may think different.

224044 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #419 of 2281 🔗

Disinherit him immediately ! You know it makes sense !


222700 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Moomin, 4, #420 of 2281 🔗

Advise him to read lockdownsceptics.org: real eye-opening for many!

222743 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to IanE, 6, #421 of 2281 🔗

Family rifts are widening. I wish it were that simple to send them a link and expect conversion. They don’t want to look at the big picture that’s the main problem.

223031 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Moomin, 5, #422 of 2281 🔗

Unfortunately I get this all the time.

Trying to engage with certain people is like trying to get blood out of a stone.

I have given up and am now letting the shit hit the fan for them to wake up. They won’t be able to escape the economic and social Armageddon that’s coming.

223119 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Moomin, 3, #423 of 2281 🔗

He blames you for the cancellation of his golf weekend on Nov 7th.

223205 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Moomin, 3, #424 of 2281 🔗

After yet another conversation with my friend yesterday to try to tell her that not shopping in the supermarket on the estate which had an “outbreak” before half term is ridiculous, there is no danger, and her reply that her brother in Wiltshire knew someone who died with/of covid 2 days after a cancer diagnosis (no details about what kind of cancer/ how bad), I realised that
1) people keep brining up events from spring to make their point, we are in a different situation now, but 2) as they have not followed numbers and arguments since spring like we have, unless they have questions now and are willing to catch up, berating them now will only make them shut off to us.

At least I think my reports on how booked PCR -but not carried out – tests automatically get recorded as + made her think.

223304 ▶▶ James007, replying to Moomin, 2, #425 of 2281 🔗

It’s amazing how successful the Government propaganda machine has been.
(Endless adverts about how dangerous going out is. Terrifying posters on Children’s play equipment, basically saying you risk death if you use it).
Fear a most powerful motivator. Dictators break the will of a population with pressure on/pressure off. Mentally it is exhausting, people end up doing what they are told.

224042 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to James007, 1, #426 of 2281 🔗

Some people do …

222673 petgor, 2, #427 of 2281 🔗

Excellent article in the latest edition of “The Critic” by Ian Kidd and Matthew Ratcliffe” titled Welcome to the Covidworld: https://thecritic.co.uk/issues/november-2020/welcome-to-covidworld .

The reference to covidiocy made me smile.

222676 Janice21, replying to Janice21, 3, #428 of 2281 🔗

Thanks to the example letters on todays post and others from your good selves, I will be compiling one to my local MLA today. I should have done it sooner but I am getting beyond sick of this now and have to do something.
Not sure how our lockdown (in N.I) will fare once it supposedly ends in less than 2 weeks, so wondering if I should send the letter once we see what will happen after that? Either way its being sent but just a matter of when.

222760 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Janice21, #429 of 2281 🔗

Keep the letters concise and contructive

222677 chris, replying to chris, 6, #430 of 2281 🔗

I know everyone writing the comments agrees that the lockdown is unjustified and a bad idea. That’s because we, mostly, assume the Cabinet is genuinely trying to deal with the virus. But what if the whole of the Cabinet was “captured” just like Biden, Hillary, Harris, MSM. What if Hunter Biden really was honey trapped? What if Andrew really was a friend of Epstein? What if Savile really was a friend of Charles? What if Merkel really was Hitler’s daughter (surrogate Eva Braun’s sister)? What if Macron really was an integral part of the Rothchild’s empire? What if Cameron really took cash from the CCP via Samantha and his mother? What if the Gates Foundation really has managed to buy Neil Ferguson? What if Google and YouTube are cemsoring genuine medical research? What if Whitty and Valance are really fifth columnists working for GSK and Astra Zeneca. What if Soros actually funds XR and BLM? Then even if only some of the above propositions are true, then Boris, Gove and Hancock should be congratulated on doing a fine job.

222727 ▶▶ Steve Jones, replying to chris, #431 of 2281 🔗

what if Andrew really was a friend of Epstein?
we know he was, bad example.

224054 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Steve Jones, #432 of 2281 🔗

We also know Savile was a friend of Charles. I think Chris was deliberately mixing things both true and untrue and unknown.

222749 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to chris, 2, #433 of 2281 🔗

Some are pretty much true. I think the problem we have with the Cabinet is Inquiryitis: they all can see themselves in the dock being being asked “And yet despite this very clear advice from Whitty and Vallance you chose to ignore it?”

The Cabinet have been captured by a bunch of prima donna epidemiologists and Big Pharma swamp creatures.

223023 ▶▶ peter, replying to chris, 4, #434 of 2281 🔗

Closer to the truth than any MSN propaganda. Tony Blair’s Institute for Global Change, The Clinton Foundation and Gates Foundation are writing Sturgeon’s covid policies.

TRUMP 2020

222681 Peter Thompson, replying to Peter Thompson, 25, #435 of 2281 🔗

I read the first paragraph from the Covid Physician and it so chimed with my experience that I know the rest which I will read later will be an excellent read. My initial experience this year was seeing a lot of patients with respiratory symptoms and then succumbing to a nasty respiratory illness with very high fever and rigors . I have never had a day off work since I had chickenpox as a junior houseman. I had two days off in very early February. I had a dry cough for a week.I was actually diagnosed by a patient who asked me if I had that ” chinese bug ” . I said no as I hadn’t been travelling and anyway PHE said there were only 2 cases in the UK and they lived far from me.

Anyway back to the front line this week ; I know the number of patients with mental health problems caused by Boris the Clown’s decision to go full Lockdown 2 will be my biggest challenge.

222733 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Peter Thompson, 12, #436 of 2281 🔗

If the patents that were seen 12 months ago were seen now they would almost certainly be diagnosed with CoViD19 as they had persistent dry cough lasting between 2 and 6 weeks with mild fever of 37.8.
However, the differential diagnoses for upper respiratory tract symptoms are now CoViD19, CoViD19, CoViD19 and probably CoViD19.
Our SOP for the urgent care centre(not meant to be seeing possible CoViD19 patients):
a) No walk in patients only referred by 111 or GP surgery. 111 and GP surgery ask the CoViD19 screening questions .
b) On arrival, patient has to wait in car until contacted by clinician, who will ask the CoViD19 screening questions.
c) the clinician either goes out to the car to assess the patient or gets the patient to come in to be assessed. No waiting in the waiting room.
d) Masks are to be worn by the patient, if the patient exempts themselves then the clinician has to do a risk assessment and either see them in the car or bring them into the UCC.

I have only just returned to the UCC having spent the summer in a GP OOH hub, run by the same organisation but patients were allowed to wait inside and were all seen face to face. Because of that I have been getting patients in, if they can’t wear a mask I don’t say anything to the contrary.

222684 Mr Bee, 10, #437 of 2281 🔗

A couple of thoughts on forecasts.
There are only two types of forecasts – lucky or wrong.
There are only two types of forecasters – those who don’t know and those who don’t know that they don’t know.

222685 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 4, #438 of 2281 🔗

AG have you got those FOI replies you got about the PCR testing and how there is no evidence that infected people are infected and that they can pass on the infection? I want to smack my MP in the face with them.

222739 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Two-Six, 1, #439 of 2281 🔗

out and about at moment, will send them across this afternoon

222687 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 3, #440 of 2281 🔗

I can’t understand that Toby’s promoting an article by the “good” Ferguson.This man is a typical turncoat and the same mantra, masks work, SD work, let CDC work, and mass testing should have begun earlier. He has spoken nonsense before and this review of a book is even worse. These people are the turncoats realizing the mistake of lockdowns and now promoting mass testing,early testing track and trace. Just one quote from below. “What could the US have done differently? Clearly, it would have been better if the White House had not interfered with CDC recommendations on social distancing. Clearly, the president had no business endorsing what proved to be an ineffectual prophylactic (hydroxychloroquine)”

222699 ▶▶ IanE, replying to swedenborg, 10, #441 of 2281 🔗

Wrong Ferguson – the one Toby referenced is Niall; the baddy is Neil!

222710 ▶▶▶ Steve Jones, replying to IanE, 4, #442 of 2281 🔗

yes poor Niall is catching a lot of shit due to all this!

222730 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Steve Jones, #443 of 2281 🔗

Good. He suffers from TDS.,

222757 ▶▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Steve Jones, #444 of 2281 🔗

He deserves it reading this article

222756 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to IanE, 1, #445 of 2281 🔗

Niall is not the “good” one read this article.

222791 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to swedenborg, #446 of 2281 🔗

I suppose “good” in the relative sense, compared to the pure poison of the other Ferguson. It’s a low bar…

222691 CivilianNotCovidian, 17, #447 of 2281 🔗

Please. If anyone has any connections to MPs please BEG them to ensure swimming pools are not closed. They are a LIFELINE to millions of people with mental health issues and physical disabilities. No virus can transmit in chlorinated water or around chlorinated water. And the deaths caused by denial to this form of therapy will far outnumber any that could be caused by transmission around swimming pools. It would be unspeakably cruel to close swimming pools. It’s all unspeakably cruel but we MUST get swimming pools exempted from the next level of madness. Thankfully playgrounds will stay open this time around.

222695 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 12, #448 of 2281 🔗

Talk Radio guest thinks Johnson is being coerced by Fear, not good enough, he’ll be even more fearful when the economy is trashed completely and he sees what happens then

222725 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Dan Clarke, 5, #449 of 2281 🔗

In the very competitive Premier League of “Worst Prime Minsters Ever” he’s already edged ahead of Gordon Brown and looks set to overtake Neville Chamberlain.

222731 ▶▶▶ Adam, replying to OKUK, 2, #450 of 2281 🔗

Theresa May was awful but Johnson the ultimate dickhead

223141 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to OKUK, #451 of 2281 🔗

And he’s vaulted way ahead of Anthony Eden.

222697 djaustin, replying to djaustin, 1, #452 of 2281 🔗

Predicting beyond six weeks is the realm of chicken entrails. However, predicting based on early trends in mid-September, that we would reach April’s admissions by year-end was a robust forecast. Sadly that message is lost now. The 4000 deaths – even the 700 today, had no credibility even three weeks ago. First rule of modelling – know the limitations of the model.

Anything over six weeks is likely to be wrong, because policy interventions will come to pass within that timeframe (Tier 1-3 for example). Nobody will care now, but I predicted in Mid-September that without intervention, we would see about 1000 admission per day mid October and up to 180 deaths per day by today. It’s not “will it be a White Christmas and Sunny Easter” – it’s do I need the heating on in a week’s time?

222718 ▶▶ TJN, replying to djaustin, 1, #453 of 2281 🔗

Do you have any confidence in the official data? Serious question. I welcome anyone’s views.

How can you actually examine this unless the data is not only half-way reliable?

And how can anyone use this data for analysis unless they are confident of the context?

Given the mess the data is in, how can we even have a serious debate based on data?

Aren’t we thus thus forced to look at the empirical evidence from other countries?

222829 ▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to TJN, 3, #454 of 2281 🔗

I do have confidence in the direction of the data, because regardless of the diagnosis (and COVID19 the disease isn’t that hard to spot actually – it’s nothing like flu), the criteria have been constant. There is a consistent doubling trend in admissions of people with hypoxia that leads to increased occupancy that subsequently leads to ventilations. Of course these patients test positive (Pillar 1) within 24 hours, but I am sure others will too. Robust measures are sadly all going the same direction. even in regions starting from a low level (SW, SE and London).

I have little confidence in testing, not because of false positives (trends matter here rather than precise percentages), but because the frequency of testing is not uniform (ONS/REACT excepted). I too share Henegen’s views btw about counting positive cases, and to some extent deaths in 28 days. But the trends in occupancy have been uniformly clear since September. The nonsense about 4000 deaths just obscures the perception of what we do see with some clarity. I’m pretty annoyed about it to be honest. Science is sceptical by nature, but some things have become clearer since April. Predicting six months hence is not one of them!

223114 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to djaustin, 1, #455 of 2281 🔗

Yes, clearly the direction of the data should be reliable. Again, what about context though? Respiratory illnesses always increase at this time of year. How out of the ordinary is what we are seeing now, given than covid has largely displaced flu?

And how much better is the treatment now? How long is the average hospital stay? How much can current hospital capacity be expanded? Surely this all has to be fed into the mix.

I try to make judgements on the government measures, based on science as I can perceive it. But nowhere can I find bedrock. It’s just a mire – and I think a mire of propaganda and deliberate obfuscation. The 4000 deaths-a-day just brings the goverment into disrepute.

I don’t expect you to be able to answer these questions of course – I’m just trying to explain why I’m so suspicious of the whole thing. And given that the burden of proof lies with those wanting lockdown, we are all entitled to answers

I can’t comment on how easy it is to spot covid. Do you mean serious covid (i.e. a case, in the proper sense)? I hadn’t thought it was easy to recognise it without distinguishing tests. Do you know how it is recognised?

I agree with your second para.

222720 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to djaustin, 1, #456 of 2281 🔗

Heard Henegan today distinguish between admissions and taking up hospital beds. Only about 20% of “Covid” admissions end up with people staying in hospital. Are you sure you aren’t confusing the two?

223116 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to OKUK, #457 of 2281 🔗

An issue of context again.

222701 vargas99, replying to vargas99, 18, #458 of 2281 🔗

No doubt there are others more qualified than I who could (attempt to) explain why the majority of the populace have become so compliant and non-thinking.

My take on this is that, ever since the end of the 2nd World War, we have, as a society, enjoyed an ever improving standard of living and increase in personal wealth and that we have become far too complacent. The massive growth of the service economy has meant that we now rely on others to do not only menial tasks, but also our thinking for us. We have lost the ability to think rationally, critically and to question, replacing our innate scepticism with blind trust in others, who, because we pay or reward them, will act in our best interests at all times.

Perhaps we deserve everything we get….

222704 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to vargas99, 9, #459 of 2281 🔗

Furlough and full pay are keeping people complacent, if they said they are reducing it all to 50% for instance, people would wake up, when the taxes kick in to pay for this, they’ll wake up even more.

222709 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Dan Clarke, #460 of 2281 🔗


222723 ▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #461 of 2281 🔗

Unfortunately that (the inevitable tax increases etc) are too far down the road to influence the situation we are in now.

222705 ▶▶ Schrodinger, replying to vargas99, 5, #462 of 2281 🔗

Because critical thinking has been removed from the education system and people are not taught to think but are just indoctrinated enough to enable them to be a ‘good consumer’ and a non disruptive cog in the machine?

222706 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to vargas99, 2, #463 of 2281 🔗

Well it’s a big subject area but that is all part of the picture. Did people think for themselves mire in the past? Yes and no. Millions went to their deaths in WW1 in pointless offensives with little critical thinking about Imperialism.

222736 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to vargas99, 11, #464 of 2281 🔗

TV has been indoctrinating the masses since big brother started (people locked in a house), reality TV has enabled people to live their life vicariously through other people and has made ‘stars’ of complete non-entities. All of the thinking and opinions are created by these ‘influencers’. Fly on the wall documentaries 24 hrs in a&e, doctors in a helicopter, border patrol, police on the front line etc etc. Brainwashing banality.

That’s why people watch news 24 hours a day and watch the daily briefings, it’s real and it’s current, all happening in real time and it’s a pantomime, an act.

222746 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to stefarm, 7, #465 of 2281 🔗

Add Radio to that.

222815 ▶▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to stefarm, 11, #466 of 2281 🔗

I have never had a television. I seriously believe that is why I have retained my ability for independent thought.
It worries my mother terribly – ‘people will think you’re terribly eccentric’. After 60 years she still doesn’t understand that I don’t give a damn what people think!

223108 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to vargas99, 1, #467 of 2281 🔗

But not me!

222711 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 16, #469 of 2281 🔗

Passing this on.

HOT NEWS! – MASSIVE LEGAL EVENT – PLEASE SUPPORT – PLEASE SHARE – Please pray for Jonathan Trapman and Michael O’Bernicia. Thank you.



Dear Friends

Well tomorrow should see the laying of the case before the judge who is expected to agree and get the warrants delivered to Westminster Police Station where they will be under orders to make immediate arrest of all the criminally prosecuted.

Sidebar: You’ll find you’re held for 5 seconds or so on our firewall when you click a link. You will get straight in but we have that there as both Michael O’Bernicia and myself have been attacked 24/7 by DDoS bots as someone does not want this all to be public. I wonder who?!!!!!!

This will, we are pretty certain, be accompanied by an order to place all MPs under house arrest to disable and prevent any more deaths and injury due to a second lockdown.

This will, by then, have been enough to awaken the press and TV to be there to cover the entry of Hancock, crying like a baby, into the meat wagon. This sight televised alone, will convert many unconverted and dutiful sheep. Our ’sleepers’ in the press will make this a must not miss event for the compliant media who in spite of their one second to midnight awakening will themselves be the next for such service!!

Today however and going forward we call on every one of you to go to the home page. Here you will find all the names and lists of every MP. MEP and Lords occupant, along with the most comprehensive list of all newspaper and TV email contacts. Use every bit of ammunition necessary to cause a riot of info into these pernicious actors.

Plough through them at your leisure, the more the merrier, will alert sleepy tweeters to the magnificence that is happening before them.

Peaceful revolution has never been such fun.

Also there is a link to a list of all MPS where you will find at the top their twitter handle and FB pages if they have them. I have given some suggested tweets, do your own with well thought out hashtags and we’ll need true desktop warriors on this rainy day and going forward

For those that have not seen it

We have all the FOI (Freedom of Information) we shall ever need to nail these bastards. Without exception every one came back with – There is no virus and no known existence of Covid19. Yes, I know it is unbelievable but that gives you an idea of how incredibly stupid are the people trying to control us.

It goes without saying that every lawful act of non compliance and direct action is lawful, appropriate and absolutely mandatory!!

Rushing this out so that you can make the most of it.

Be in touch very soon as we are on hottest alert!!


Jonathan Trapman j.trapman@zen.co.uk
Please share – Thank you

222750 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #470 of 2281 🔗

Thanks. Cant wait to see how this unfolds

224016 ▶▶▶ Gladiatrix, replying to Victoria, #471 of 2281 🔗

Well it’s 6.44pm and nothing has happened. I can’t say I am surprised, this man believes the 5G nonsense and Andrew Wakefield.

222754 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #472 of 2281 🔗

Brilliant work Jonathan. In my opinion we should all download the lists of MP’s email addresses and LET RIP!

We are winning, and with info like this it makes it even easier to target the criminals who are doing this to us.

222774 ▶▶ 2 pence, replying to Cheezilla, #473 of 2281 🔗

Michael O’Bernicia:

“I drafted a notice on behalf of someone who is remaining anonymous”


222713 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #474 of 2281 🔗

And this:

comment image URGENT comment image
MPs will vote on the measures that Boris outlined on Halloween.
If you feel strongly that a second lockdown is not proportionate or appropriate and that the negative consequences eg decimation of businesses, loss of lives due to suicide, missed appointments etc are too great then we would recommend you write to your MP ASAP.
We have made a concise template that highlights
– The failures of PCR tests
– The low fatality rate and high prevalence
– That the R rate is already declining
– That the WHO does not advocate lockdowns
– That lockdowns kill
– That 6.5m people will lose their jobs

The more that do it the better so please share far and wide!

Here’s the template . The letter appears in full when the address etc fields have been completed. If the link from here fails, it definitely works if you paste it into your browser:

222762 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #475 of 2281 🔗

We all need to email at least one MP.

222721 Marialta, 7, #476 of 2281 🔗


Use Common Law to resist closing of premises and compliance with restrictions

222724 Arnie, replying to Arnie, 15, #478 of 2281 🔗

Morning folks. Another day in paradise eh?

I just had a chilling thought.

We keep hearing of people not turning up to testing, or of opening the test kits & not touching them and sending them off only for all to receive positive test results.

I know the obvious answer is that it’s plain and simple lies from the companies who are doing the testing.

But what if the swabs themselves DO actually have Covid19 already on them?

I know it sounds fantastical to think this but I just can’t shake it off with ‘no, not possible’ answer. If you had suggested any of this years atrocities against our fellow people a year ago I would have laughed in your face.

But here we are…

222737 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Arnie, 8, #479 of 2281 🔗

Anything is possible now. When they tried this in 2008 it failed, those invested in the global agenda do not intend that to happen again.

222769 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Arnie, 4, #480 of 2281 🔗

Or just some of them, and it’s like a sick National Lottery.

222778 ▶▶ mari, replying to Arnie, 4, #481 of 2281 🔗

Wouldn’t put a stunt like that past them, it would be easy to do, as there’s not enough critical questioning in the public at the moment – but I feel its coming. The tide is turning.

222841 ▶▶ DespairSquid, replying to Arnie, 4, #482 of 2281 🔗

Some test kits were indeed contaminated with the virus. Unlikely to cause the virus in those being tested but a great way to get some positive tests…


I also heard an anecdotal report of some practices in the Pillar 2 labs – basically if they mishandle a test and cannot complete it (because they are untrained and inexperienced rank amateurs) then they put it down as a positive – just to be on the safe side.

I do wonder if some of the geographical differences are down to the quality of the regional labs…

222935 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to DespairSquid, 1, #483 of 2281 🔗

Some goon in a hi vis vest in a car park is bound to be a test contamination risk.

223246 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to DespairSquid, #484 of 2281 🔗

All the tests they handed out in the NW by knocking on doors, if not collected and gone to the lab, are likely to have been recorded as positive then.
As well, a home kit is not supposed to be posted between Saturday and Tuesday, as they would be lying around in unsuitable conditions and the need to be processed within a certain time. How many people ignore this and post a kit back over the weekend?

222932 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Arnie, 4, #485 of 2281 🔗

There was a case in the USA in the early days of DNA testing. The same DNA kept turning up at over 400 different crime scenes but nobody knew who it was.

Eventually the criminal mastermind was tracked down to the lab where they prepared the swabs. Poor procedures had put her DNA on all the test kits.

223228 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Arnie, 2, #486 of 2281 🔗

There is a famous case in Germany which Bodo Schiffmann likes to tell, where the police were looking for a female serial killer in NRW for 2 years. Finally it turned out the swabs had been contaminated in the factory by a female worker = killer.

222728 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #487 of 2281 🔗

Off-topic? Maybe but the future is in the balance over the US election.

Slip of the tongue or the truth?

222742 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Awkward Git, #488 of 2281 🔗


222759 ▶▶ VickyA, replying to Awkward Git, #489 of 2281 🔗

The truth, been reading about it for years.

222799 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to VickyA, #490 of 2281 🔗

Me too but hard getting people to even contemplate thinking about stuff like this.

222738 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 3, #491 of 2281 🔗

The piece under “The Grim Reaper is Owed a Few Souls”presents an interesting theory – the tide could be on the turn in a few weeks.
I’ve tended not to take too much notice of case figure as I see them as being a product of testing – the more you test the more you get. But if they do have validity – it is startling what is happening in Ireland.

I knew cases were declining in Ireland but I hadn’t realised how sharp that decline has been. Looking at the seven day average the reversal is startling. See:-

The sharp decline coincided with the country’s latest lockdown – i.e. before the lockdown could have any effect.

When one looks at the case figures for the UK there does seem to be a possible turning of the tide in cases – except for Wales. All in line with the independent researcher’s thesis above.

222747 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Ned of the Hills, 1, #492 of 2281 🔗

That’s only if you believe in a ‘virus’. Figures can be manipulated.

222773 ▶▶▶ mari, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #493 of 2281 🔗

Oh, they have been, since time immemorial. I’ve never believed in ‘polls’ either, the latest one stating that ‘most of the UK was/ is in favour of lockdowns’ Bullshit.

222745 Sceptic in Oxford, 5, #494 of 2281 🔗

Now can Yougov go back and ask lockdown supporters in their snap poll (72% of 2,258 adults) if they still agree to second lockdown given:

Hospital admissions for non-Covid conditions:
Apr-May 2020 Average
gastrointestinal 4,642 45,901
septicaemia 10,961 31,024
prostate cancer 4,640 12,859
arthritis 6,114 12,865
lung cancer 9,261 16,270
chest pains 24,496 41,516
bowel cancer 8,185 13,488

(source: Dr Foster)

222748 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, #495 of 2281 🔗

Think this is the censored mask paper… https://mobile.twitter.com/ColleenHuberNMD/status/1318967763587641344 well worth a look!

222758 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Country Mumkin, 4, #496 of 2281 🔗

Nah. The Danish study is a randomised controlled test. This is a paper about tests done on the used masks.

222789 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to stewart, #497 of 2281 🔗

Ok… thanks

222784 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Country Mumkin, #498 of 2281 🔗

Great link thanks.

More information https://www.primarydoctor.org/public-health

222752 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 5, #499 of 2281 🔗

163,168,and183 is the world position of PCR tests per million in Thailand, Vietnam and Taiwan. These are all countries lauded by the lockdown fanatics as shining examples of effective stopping the spread. But they are not testing much, in fact almost nothing compared to US. See below chart. Do they have more cases? They must have more cases but they are not looking for them actively. This is just another respiratory virus and as they probably had less flu this year any mortality of C-19(which is anyway about IFR 0.2%) could be hidden in general respiratory death figures. Even without resorting to explanation of previous exposure to corona like virus in these “bat” regions as an explanation for low C-19 in these countries, testing artefact is a good explanation.

222764 ▶▶ PaulC, replying to swedenborg, 7, #500 of 2281 🔗

Why don’t we simply stop testing! Treat the sick as per usual.

222770 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to PaulC, 5, #501 of 2281 🔗

That would be the sensible route to take. However they want to prolong this until they have the means necessary to enforce the New Order.

222809 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to PaulC, 2, #502 of 2281 🔗

DNA database

222819 ▶▶▶ SomersetHoops, replying to PaulC, 4, #503 of 2281 🔗

This useless government have spent over £9 billion of our money on inaacurate testing and a trace system that has never and will never work. We have no comparable data for a normal influenza year so it means nothing. What a pointless waste of our money. It would seem there is an agenda to pour billions into big phamaceutical companies who produce these tests while having reducing the numbers of hospital beds availabe. I think I know where the money would have been better spent.

222775 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to swedenborg, 4, #504 of 2281 🔗

If you look at the UK figures for +ve test results(cases) and then compare that with the increase in hospital cases for serious Covid, it indicates that over 98% of people testing +ve for SARS-Cov2 virus are immune to getting serious Covid disease. If that is the situation for the whole population it should surely have a huge bearing on public health policy, if such a high % are immune from serious Covid then it means the potential for hospital cases and deaths is nowhere near as high as the nightmare scenarios we are being given.
Possibly more in line with countries like Vietnam.

222862 ▶▶ DRW, replying to swedenborg, 1, #505 of 2281 🔗

Zealots similarly claim Japan’s low numbers are because “they take it seriously” and masks. Really they aren’t obsessed with testing and are more honest about deaths. Plus possible natural cross-immunity, better diets and the BCG vax.

222761 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 10, #506 of 2281 🔗

I want to move to South Dakota

222765 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Major Panic, #507 of 2281 🔗

Why South Dakota?

222780 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Bella Donna, 16, #508 of 2281 🔗

Some of the Republican governors who refused to shut down their states – or made sure the shut downs were as short as possible – are formidable politicians and none more so than Kristi Noem, the Governor of South Dakota .

She says the most important lesson she’s learned about how best to cope with a pandemic is, “More freedom rather than more government is the answer.” You can watch a recent speech she made about how she responded to the crisis here . Among the highlights:

“I didn’t even define what an essential business was because I didn’t think I had the authority to tell you your business isn’t essential.”

And this, on modelling: “While modelling certainly has a place, models have two shortcomings today. No model can predict the future, especially when those models are based on incomplete information… [and] no model can replace human freedom as the best path for responding to our life’s risks, including in response to this virus. That is why central planning of the economy has failed us every single time the government has tried it.”

222787 ▶▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Victoria, 12, #509 of 2281 🔗

Wow. Imagine one of our leaders having the intelligence or conviction to say something like that. Actually all I can do is imagine.

222794 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Victoria, 9, #510 of 2281 🔗

Did write to her and said well done and thanks from England.

222817 ▶▶▶▶ ambwozere, replying to Victoria, #511 of 2281 🔗

I want to move there now, plus Sweden and Belarus. Hmm all cold countries in winter.

222826 ▶▶▶▶ SomersetHoops, replying to Victoria, #512 of 2281 🔗

Please send a copy of this to our idiot PM

222807 ▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Bella Donna, #513 of 2281 🔗

Very cold in winter

222767 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Major Panic, 1, #514 of 2281 🔗

Me too.

222763 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 18, #515 of 2281 🔗

Why is it assumed the Covid deaths are actual Covid deaths and not manufactured? The government and their advisors have lied before so why are people continuing to believe this nonsense.

222768 ▶▶ mari, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #516 of 2281 🔗

Not this one.

222779 ▶▶ SomersetHoops, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #517 of 2281 🔗

Scientists relate the value of a positive test to the CT value, the number of times the sample is amplified to get a result and currently all values of CT are included, although CT values above 30 relate to a sample of someone who won’t get symptoms and is unable to pass the infection on. This is in addition to the fairly high percentage of faulty tests giving further false positives, so it is utter stupidity tho base policy on PCR tests

222810 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Bella Donna, 7, #518 of 2281 🔗

They are manufactured. They are passing off deaths they have caused from lockdowns as covid deaths. Anyone in hospital that tests positive for covid is counted in covid stats, even though about 80% don’t have any covid symptoms.

222825 ▶▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to stewart, #519 of 2281 🔗

I believe that’s true. There is no way to prove it except anecdotally like in the previous ‘wave’.

222812 ▶▶ Helen, replying to Bella Donna, #520 of 2281 🔗

Very good question Bella..yes why?

222845 ▶▶ SomersetHoops, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #521 of 2281 🔗

I haven’t got access to the data, but have heard that influenza deaths have reduced dramatically by close to the number of Covid 19 deaths. Surely that can’t be true unless C19 is taking over those who would have had flu or there is insufficient accuracy in determining by testing whethe a patient had C19 or flu, or diagnoses are being based on symptoms without testing and all flu-like symptoms are being classified as C19???

222948 ▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #522 of 2281 🔗

There are up to four fields on the Medical Certificate of Cause of Death where Covid-19 may be ‘mentioned’ (Ia, Ib, Ic, and II). This is why the ONS refers to deaths ‘involving’ Covid-19 rather than ‘with’ or ‘of’.

If it is mentioned in II, it is a co-morbidity, so an “Other significant condition contributing to death but not related to the disease or condition causing it.”

“The disease or condition thought to be the underlying cause should appear in the lowest completed line of part I.”

I have asked the ONS under an FOI for a breakdown of the number of deaths where Covid-19 “appears in the lowest completed line of part I.”

One further complication is that there are two codes for Covid-19 deaths. The WHO states that:

‘An emergency ICD-10 code of ‘U07.1 COVID-19, virus identified’ is assigned to a disease diagnosis of COVID-19 confirmed by laboratory testing.

An emergency ICD-10 code of ‘U07.2 COVID-19, virus not identified’ is assigned to a clinical or epidemiological diagnosis of COVID-19 where laboratory confirmation is inconclusive or not available.

Both U07.1 and U07.2 may be used for mortality coding as cause of death.’

222766 TyRade, 7, #523 of 2281 🔗

Is Airfix doing the ‘modelling’? Surely the damning takeaway (these are still allowed I think) is not whether old or recent data were used, rather it’s that the models clearly cannot forecast, at all. If they spout 4000 deaths one day and under 1000 deaths the next, this means they are consistently confounded with new data. They probably have an in-built exponential algorithm that must be continually overridden as , almost on a daily basis, it spews massive overestimates. Of course, this would strongly suggest the model should be scrapped and a new one built. But you remember how loathe you were to unpick your Airfix spitfire after you’d painted it because you’d put the engine in backwards.

222771 SomersetHoops, 10, #524 of 2281 🔗

The Tories have become Stalanist totalitarians under Johnson and his supporters and are no longer the Conservative party I’ve voted for all my voting life. I shall never vote for them again. Although Nigel Farage is not the most likeable of people, he is a real Conservative and has upheld Conservative values in all his politics. If like minded politicians in the Tory party want to be credible they will abandon the shower of sh1t the Tories have become and join him.

222777 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 2, #525 of 2281 🔗

The science shows masks do not work against viral infections

Covid-19 is now known to be a lack of nutrients , exploited by a virus

Lockdowns failed to reduce deaths


222804 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Victoria, 2, #526 of 2281 🔗

There was a paper that Shawn Baker was referencing a few months back that people on the Carnivore diet (or even Keto and Low Carb with eating beef) had less susceptibility to respiratory disease due to certain amino acids in beef. They also get a good nutrient profile, something Ivor Cummings talks about (hence the Fat Emperor)

222816 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to mhcp, 1, #527 of 2281 🔗

In short is is due to the fact that they do not have a lot of insulin flooding the body – blood sugar levels are stable / fix insulin resistance. Also that some nutrients are depleted when ingesting too much sugar/carbohydrates. In addition they consume nutrition foods.

222844 ▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Victoria, 3, #528 of 2281 🔗

That’s true. It’s amazing how much less food you can live on when it gets digested properly.

222916 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to mhcp, 2, #529 of 2281 🔗

Oh good.

224457 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to mhcp, #530 of 2281 🔗

People staying on the carnivore diet aren’t fat.

222783 stewart, replying to stewart, 16, #531 of 2281 🔗

Prof Heneghan: UK hospital beds usually at 95%.

Total hospital beds in UK in 2000: 240,000
Total hospital beds in UK in 2020: 165,000

It seems to me that what is being covered up here, amongst other things, is the fact that the UK has been decimating its National Health Service, even as the population grows and ages. And there is no intention at all of reversing course.

222788 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to stewart, 6, #532 of 2281 🔗

Maybe the government should change their slogan to “Protect The NHS From Us”.

222818 ▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to stewart, 4, #533 of 2281 🔗

In Q1 2010/11, there were 110,568 general and acute beds ‘open overnight that are under the care of consultants’ available in England. In Q1, 2020/21, there were 92,596. So, a 16 per cent fall.

The population of England in 2010 was 52,642,500 and in 2019, it was 56,287,000, a 7 per cent rise.

The entire rationale for lockdown centres on preventing the NHS from being overwhelmed. Yet this reduction in capacity has taken place by design.

The Secretaries of State during the reduction period were Andrew Lansley, Jeremy Hunt and Matt Hancock.

See: https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/bed-availability-and-occupancy/bed-data-overnight/

223025 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to stewart, 1, #534 of 2281 🔗

Knowing what we know now about the great reset, that it has been planned for years, was reducing bed numbers all part of the plan???? For a smaller population?

223597 ▶▶ Ian Reid, replying to stewart, #535 of 2281 🔗

You need to be a little careful here. In those intervening years there have been advances in medical technology that mean many operations which would previously have required overnight stays are now day procedures. Keyhole surgery etc. This is actually good for patients, because recovery times are quicker. It still doesn’t absolve them of responsibility for this current mess, but the situation is more complex than a simple numeric figure can show.

222790 didymous, 1, #536 of 2281 🔗

Regarding the latest opinion polls on lockdown, just seen this from Tim Harford’s column on favourite reads:

 “Rory Sutherland’s Alchemy: The Surprising Power of Ideas That Don’t Make Sense gives Rory’s idiosyncratic take on life, commerce and particularly marketing. It’s very funny and full of original ideas. My favourite page is page 43, which contains this: “The trouble with market research is that people don’t think what they feel, they don’t say what they think, and they don’t do what they say” (sometimes attributed to David Ogilvy)”

222792 Johet, replying to Johet, 1, #537 of 2281 🔗

Can anyone tell me how I can access the link to the new Recovery group please? I just tried to google it and got nowhere.

222793 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Johet, #538 of 2281 🔗
222801 ▶▶▶ Johet, replying to Country Mumkin, #539 of 2281 🔗


222795 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 10, #541 of 2281 🔗

Copied Steeve’s comment the day before

Any MP that abstains is just as culpable as any MP who votes for Lockdown 2

222802 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Victoria, 4, #542 of 2281 🔗

Well as B.L.M like to say silence is violence. I wouldn’t normally quote them but it is the MP’s who are oh so virtuous regards their cause.

222796 Stuart, 3, #543 of 2281 🔗

With hundreds of thousands of new “infections” weekly, or daily, or whatever it is, surely the Holy Grail of bovine immunity cannot now be far off.

222800 TyRade, replying to TyRade, 4, #544 of 2281 🔗

Re the Sevanta CommRes poll: so, only 15% against the new lockdown. But this is more than than the share of ‘BAME’ folk in the country, and a even a small slice of that was able to bring the country, certainly the ‘opinion formers’ to their knees, literally. We are an oppressed minority. Sceptics Lives Matter etc etc .

222806 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to TyRade, 4, #545 of 2281 🔗

Often they asked double edge questions. Don’t believe the polls

222830 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to TyRade, 5, #546 of 2281 🔗

On the march in South London on Saturday I thought most passers by and shop staff were supportive.

222872 ▶▶ Mark, replying to TyRade, 5, #547 of 2281 🔗

First, it wasn’t “BAME people” who brought “opinion formers to their knees”, it was mostly virtue signalling middle class whites. Second, they were able to do what they did because they were not dissenting in any meaningful way from what the establishment believes in, and wants to see happening.

Quite the contrary. BLM and XR and the like are not dissenters, they are basically mobs marching to intimidate potential dissenters into silence.

To grasp the difference that makes to how they will be treated, observe authorities “taking the knee” to BLM etc and see the media hero-worshipping them and ignoring or even suppressing information about the lies they base their cases on (such as George Floyd’s personal character and the true statistics about US police violence), and watch people making even slight criticisms (“all lives should matter”, etc) getting hounded out of jobs etc.

Then watch peaceful anti-lockdown protesters baton charged by the police with no media or political criticism, and see even reasonable and eminently qualified anti-lockdown scientists being routinely smeared as “far right” or “fringe”.

The former is mob enforcement of establishment dogmas. The latter is true dissent.

222891 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Mark, 2, #548 of 2281 🔗

BLM are brainwashed peaceful anti-lockdown protesters aren’t

222803 DRW, 4, #549 of 2281 🔗

Great edition of LS. For all their sponsored doommongering SAGE have probably done similar private analysis and know in a few weeks LD II can be spun as a “success”- they’ve even admitted the R number is waning.

222805 DeepBlueYonder, 4, #550 of 2281 🔗

In Q1 2010/11, there were 110,568 general and acute beds ‘open overnight that are under the care of consultants’ available in England. In Q1, 2020/21, there were 92,596. So, a 16 per cent fall.

The population of England in 2010 was 52,642,500 and in 2019, it was 56,287,000, a 7 per cent rise.

The entire rationale for lockdown centres on preventing the NHS from being overwhelmed. Yet this reduction in capacity has taken place by design.

The Secretaries of State during the reduction period were Andrew Lansley, Jeremy Hunt and Matt Hancock.

222808 John P, replying to John P, 20, #551 of 2281 🔗

“Where Did SAGE Get 4,000 Deaths a Day?”
Out of their fucking arses. They’re taking the piss.

I saw my parents and my sisters yesterday evening. My mother seemed sympathetic to Johnson – “but he says that he’s got no alternative.”

Well, you know my answer the that. “Well, he’s LYING. He does have an alternative. He just won’t listen to those who are not interested in lockdowns.”

The bastard just goes on the government propaganda outlet and says what he likes and people still believe him. He is given free rein to say what he likes on there and is never challenged.

Anyway, there is much more scepticism in my family on the whole. They know very well my objections to the lockdowns.

222820 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to John P, 4, #552 of 2281 🔗

John, as I continue to harp on about (maybe because it’s been a main part of my job and training) is you need to get good data in the first place. Which means all the processes and guidance to get those figures must be characterised to minimise noise. It only takes one change like the flu not being tested for to start skewing the results.

Our national policy is being based on very noisy data and no improvement appears to have been made to reducing this noise. That’s often why the worst-case projections appear so high. You put in very noisy data and the models will spit out a very large range.

The problem is that very few people ever think about how the underlying data was collected. They just accept that “it’s been done right”

222855 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to John P, 4, #553 of 2281 🔗

They are taking the piss. They clearly don’t care about being believed. Indeed, they must wish to be disbelieved. This is ritual humiliation, and Parliament will vote for it.

222886 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to John P, 1, #554 of 2281 🔗

The cunt needs to grow a backbone (Dolly chops, not your mother)

222821 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 31, #555 of 2281 🔗

Just had my lovely customer in, who came in a few months ago for a takeaway for her and her (disabled) husband to have in their car in the car park. This, for them, was a bit of ‘normality’.

Well, thanks to the cruelty of this wretched government her (once fit) husband is now in hospital and she is forbidden to visit him. He has been diagnosed with dementia.

I have no words for the barbarity these bastards are inflicting.

222828 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to kh1485, 7, #556 of 2281 🔗

We need to get a group of string characters together & take her to see her husband. No if’s, no bit’s.

222832 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Arnie, 13, #557 of 2281 🔗

And what breaks my heart, is that she still manages to plaster a smile on. She’s such a sweet, gentle, kind lady, she doesn’t bloody deserve this shit.

222840 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Arnie, 4, #558 of 2281 🔗

That’s been my thought. I don’t have anyone in that situation, but that’s what’s needed, go accompanied by ‘large men’ and force your way in.

222823 Arnie, 11, #560 of 2281 🔗

Any news on the plans for 30,000 vehicles on the M25?

I think this idea of gumming up the wheels has great potential. Remember flash mobs?

We need to do this. With cars & people. But more. We need to be calling the authorities out to everyone minor or even imagined crime. We need to be gumming up our councils with requests for information, for reporting potholes, you name it.

When the covid marshals are at the door (they are doing door to door here) keep them talking for an hour. Then tell them to fuck off! If possible get your other half to go out & block them in…

If I’m error let me know, or if you’ve got more please also let us know.


222824 BTLnewbie, replying to BTLnewbie, 5, #561 of 2281 🔗

Another waste of ink (or bits and bytes) to my MP:
Dear XXX
A catchy headline – of course you won’t! But at least pause for thought before you go through the lobby.
Your Prime Minister will apparently tell you this afternoon:
“Models of our scientists suggest that unless we act now, we could see deaths over the winter that are twice as bad or more compared with the first wave.
This is based on outdated data, in particular the Cambridge / PHE model; I refer to the Oxford CEBM site: https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/the-innacuracoes-in-the-sage-models/
for more up to date figures. Even the0 Daily Telegraph, which you would expect to be a bastion of Tory support, has published this:
This is a seasonal virus and was always going to resurge in the Autumn. Total deaths (per the ONS website) from mid-June (when by any rational assessment the epidemic was long over) to 16 October (the latest available date) were 166,948, as against an average for that period over the previous 5 years of 166,256. This is no reason to panic – and blind panic by Government is what I see.
The current data in no way justifies a lockdown – the majority of positive test results (shown by the discredited PCR testing regime of which I have written before) occur in Universities, care homes, and hospital-acquired infections. Lockdown of daily economic activity and social life will do nothing to change this. It will, however, add to the existing daily tragedies of job losses, business closures, suicides, mental health harm, missed cancer diagnoses. Lockdowns take far more lives than they save (if indeed they save any at all).
Do our local hospitals believe that they will be overwhelmed? Or do they believe that they are about to undergo the usual winter pressure that an overstretched and under-resourced NHS sees every winter.  I refer you to the flu season of 2017/18 and headlines of patients dying in hospital corridors: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-42572116 .  I don’t recall that we closed the economy at the time, or mandated the wearing of masks, to stem the flow of seasonal flu.
Covid-19 is now recognised to be significantly less deadly to those under 80 than seasonal flu – and assessments of the Infection Fatality Rate continue to fall. So, why is your Government 0acting so recklessly? Or, as a physician puts it:
It is an irrational doomsday reading of the situation by our Government, which is nothing of the sort in reality. It is a wilful governmental catastrophising of a situation I have not actually encountered in my professional nor my personal reality this year. Certainly the emergent case-fatality data is not reflective of the Government’s persistent narrative of fear. I find myself asking is this melodrama, or medicine I am being asked by the Government to practise?
Yours sincerely,
[name and address]
PS – don’t let the gentle tone of this letter fool you – I am steaming with rage!

223305 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to BTLnewbie, 2, #562 of 2281 🔗

I was so incensed by the reply from my MP that I scrawled obscenities on his letter, put it back in the envelope and marked it ‘return to sender’.

224471 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mutineer, #563 of 2281 🔗

Good for you!

222834 swedenborg, 3, #564 of 2281 🔗


For those accepting google translation of this important blog article in French about HCQ scandal in France. The government tried to stop HCQ mysteriously in Jan.There are lots of comments on Dr Madroux’s blog.

222835 Jay Berger, 5, #565 of 2281 🔗

4000 deaths a day are 1500 more than the average one of 2500.
That alone means that such a figure is preposterous, in light of Covid 19 killing mostly people aged above the average life expectancy.
And, of course, almost all those people tested positive will have died with Covid rather than from it.
And, of course, only a fraction of those positive test results will have been accurate.

222838 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 8, #566 of 2281 🔗

Good news for the over 60s on here. Yesterday, we were ‘clinically vulnerable’, but today, they’ve given us another ten years. The guidance has quietly changed to say:

aged 70 or over (regardless of medical conditions)

Good to know that ‘medical conditions’ don’t make any difference either. I’d got my self all confused by those NHS figures, you know, deaths over 80 with co-morbidities = 15000 odd, over 80 with no co-morbidities = 500 odd.
I’m such a fool.

222873 ▶▶ davews, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #567 of 2281 🔗

Gosh, how many other tweaks are they going to sneak in. But at 71 it still affects me of course.

222903 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #568 of 2281 🔗

Well that should reduce the number of hospital beds they’ll allegedly be short of.

224473 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Sam Vimes, #569 of 2281 🔗

Maybe they’d added up the cost of all those letters!

222839 leggy, 8, #570 of 2281 🔗

Anyone seen the latest speech from Doris on the Conservative Facebook page? There’s that phrase again. Build back better. The comments are scathing.

222842 Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, 7, #571 of 2281 🔗

Dear fellow slaves… Do enjoy the New World,

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where our lives are destroyed by a bunch of terrorists and pseudo-scientists that just like to make spreadsheets and graphs!

222890 ▶▶ Evoluon, replying to Voz 0db, #572 of 2281 🔗

Well somebody needs to keep the threat level high. The other terrorists must have got Cov-19

222846 DocRC, replying to DocRC, 9, #573 of 2281 🔗

Latest missive to my MP.

Dear Mrs xxxxxxxx,

Here is the latest data from NHS England. It looks to me that the deaths by with or from Covid-19 are levelling off. They are not showing the stratospheric rise to 4000 per day as per the absurd predictions shown at Saturday’s press conference by The PM and his “scientific” advisers.

I hope you will vote against the latest lockdown when this comes before the House on Wednesday.


Dr xxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx

222863 ▶▶ stewart, replying to DocRC, 6, #574 of 2281 🔗

You have to be on hallucinogenic drugs to see an exponential rise in deaths after the summer.

223012 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to stewart, 5, #575 of 2281 🔗

If the virus was deadly there would have been a surge over the summer as a result of crowded beaches, eat out to help out, and all the marches and protests..

222864 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to DocRC, 18, #576 of 2281 🔗

This was mine:

I realise I am going back on my promise to never contact you again. But the most recent issuance of yet another diktat to continue the destruction of the economy, has prompted me to do so. Hopefully you will be inundated with similar messages from your constituents. Perhaps that way, you will realise what devastation you are willingly wreaking on this country and its people.

Yet again, my business is considered acceptable collateral damage to prevent the spread of the virus. Having had my life already destroyed by the NHS, your obsession with its salvation is the nightmare that keeps on giving.

Your colleagues mention “tricky decisions”. Not so “tricky” when your income is guaranteed; not so “tricky” when you are able sleep at night, or you don’t wake in the early hours of the morning as I do, worried for your future; not so “tricky” when everything you have worked so hard for (over 17 years) isn’t trashed; no, not “tricky” at all for those of you in the Westminster bubble, not “tricky” at all.

I remain utterly, utterly disgusted, dismayed and horrified at the dystopia you have created. And, again, I do not want a response.

222847 mhcp, 7, #577 of 2281 🔗

Andrew Bridgen on TalkRadio with Mike saying the first lockdown worked. It suppressed the virus.

This is the level of competency going on

222848 stewart, replying to stewart, 26, #578 of 2281 🔗

Listening to Andrew Bridgen on TalkRadio.

What a coward. He is openly admitting that he will vote for lockdown because he doesn’t want the responsibility of the possible deaths that MAY result from no lockdown.

What a f**king coward. Just covering his arse.

Another a**hole who isn’t going to be affected by a lockdown advocating lockdown.

Give up your salary Bridgen during lockdown, you spineless goon!!!

222853 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to stewart, 7, #579 of 2281 🔗

180,000 deaths projected. Saying Italy was overrun in the first lockdown because of Covid.

Context mate. It wasn’t overrun in other parts of Italy. And that part of Italy has a very high death rate every year.

222867 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to mhcp, 2, #580 of 2281 🔗

Excess deaths are the key indicator. https://euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps

222947 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #581 of 2281 🔗

As I’ve said before – it’s remarkable how quoting Euromomo has gone out of fashion. 🙂

222980 ▶▶▶▶▶ kf99, replying to RickH, #582 of 2281 🔗

Could someone please explain the z-score. I’ve tried to understand their explanation without getting anywhere

222892 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to mhcp, 11, #583 of 2281 🔗

And ‘deaths’. Everyone now knows that if Covid is ever the real cause of death, then the victim was going to die soon, anyway – probably of flu or something similar. It drives me up the wall. These people crying over ‘deaths’ are just virtue signalling. They feel no more sorrow over these ‘deaths’ than they do over the death of an amoeba. Just as they feel zero sorrow for a person about to lose their job and commit suicide, or a heart attack victim too scared to go to A&E. These people are psychopaths pretending to be ‘caring’ and virtuous.

222856 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to stewart, 3, #584 of 2281 🔗

I was about to post this. Just finished shouting at the radio.

222869 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 2, #585 of 2281 🔗

They are cowards. Faced with a difficult choice, they don’t have the courage to make the right, difficult decision. They make the safest decision … for them. The one that minimises their personal risk.

Our MPs all need to watch the Anders Tegnell interview linked above to see what it looks like to have a bit of courage to do the right thing.

222868 ▶▶ l835, replying to stewart, 2, #586 of 2281 🔗

I laughed out loud when he said lockdowns don’t work because people don’t follow the rules!

222943 ▶▶ RickH, replying to stewart, #587 of 2281 🔗

… even given he’s always been one of the bluntest tools in the box.

223058 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to stewart, 4, #588 of 2281 🔗

Does that then imply that he will take responsibility for the deaths CAUSED by lockdown?

223279 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to stewart, #589 of 2281 🔗

Mr Brigden is the responsible for the death as a result OF lockdown. Cancer, heart attack, stroke, suicide.
Of course they don’t count.

224395 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to stewart, #590 of 2281 🔗

If he is what Tory MPs are now like there is no hope. I thought he was really moronic and uncritical.

222857 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Victoria, 8, #592 of 2281 🔗

Mother of Hope’s comment to this tweet:

The human rights lawyer against human rights

223007 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Victoria, 1, #593 of 2281 🔗

Great comment

222851 Mabel Cow, replying to Mabel Cow, 14, #594 of 2281 🔗

I’m this guy…who are you?

I thought I’d get a bit more mileage out of the Hitlergruß picture. It took me ages to put masks on all those little wannabe Nazis. 😀

Please also check out Panscepticon and let me know what you think.

222860 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Mabel Cow, 3, #595 of 2281 🔗
223093 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Voz 0db, 2, #596 of 2281 🔗

I think the comparison works better if the people in the second picture are wearing Hidden Disabilities exemption lanyards.

223475 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Alethea, 1, #597 of 2281 🔗

Not quite since the GOAL today is different!

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222866 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #598 of 2281 🔗

I absolutely effin love that!

222870 ▶▶ l835, replying to Mabel Cow, 3, #599 of 2281 🔗

Need this as a car sticker!

222900 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to l835, #600 of 2281 🔗

Stickers here .

Dunno if I’d put them on my car though. 🙂

223006 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to l835, #601 of 2281 🔗

Yes, car stickers are an excellent idea 🙂

224480 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mabel Cow, #602 of 2281 🔗

Fantastic sorry – since dePiffle defamed the word I try to avoid using it.

The pic is brilliant, Panscepticon is a great resource.

222852 Voz 0db, 3, #603 of 2281 🔗

In ALL countries where house prison sentences and normal access to hospital and other health services were denied, the excess deaths are the natural consequence.

This is data for Portugal… NORMAL PNEUMONIA vs SPECIAL 2020 PNEUMONIA!

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222858 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 6, #604 of 2281 🔗


A month after this sensationalist headline by the Deutsche Welle, can we call this a proper second Welle in Manaus? Or does this look more endemic than epidemic?

 This is quite important information showing now an endemic situation in one of the worst hit areas in the world, Manaus ,Brazil. They also have a high immunity. Look at the hospitalization chart and the death chart. Striking. This is now endemic and seasonal but I think in the tropics at this latitude it can become endemic all year around. Very impressive charts for those highlighting that this is now a seasonal disease, endemic always with us.

222861 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 6, #605 of 2281 🔗

And deaths

222865 leggy, replying to leggy, 24, #606 of 2281 🔗


222942 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to leggy, 4, #607 of 2281 🔗

The COVID-19 line is far too thick. Should it be there at all?

223004 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to leggy, 3, #608 of 2281 🔗

Great – another potential poster to put up?

222875 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #609 of 2281 🔗

This is an important resource for building a picture on the effects of lockdowns.


In the conclusion, it appears to be supportive of the governments actions, but then goes on to a list of recommendations. At the top..

The suspension of services during the pandemic means that there is now greater need for support than pre-crisis, and all public services face large backlogs, particularly criminal courts and the NHS.

222879 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #610 of 2281 🔗

Some graph porn is included

222936 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to PoshPanic, 5, #611 of 2281 🔗

When you consider the deficit accruing from March onwards coupled with the continuing under-provision of services, the consequences are immense.

222956 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to RickH, 1, #612 of 2281 🔗

Yep, it’s an enormous pile up. I presume that the graph above will now dip again, as they repeat the same mistakes.

222880 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 6, #613 of 2281 🔗

Excellent piece from Sunetra Gupta in AIER:


222905 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Sarigan, 1, #614 of 2281 🔗

Yes. A really good article.

222946 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Sarigan, 2, #615 of 2281 🔗

Excellent. Unfortunately, by her own admission, she isn’t comfortable in front of the camera. This is true of a lot of experts and academics, but in this age of the soundbite, it means others with less pedigree than her end up making the cut.

222881 Jay Berger, replying to Jay Berger, -1, #616 of 2281 🔗

Farage&Tice should team up with Fox.
But even if they do so, they are not credible in that regard, as they were very much pro lockdown for months.
And all rightwing parties were and are ardent lockdowners where and when in power, and so would they
have been.

222922 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Jay Berger, 2, #617 of 2281 🔗

I think that last paragraph is a bit unfair. Governments of all colours rushed to lock down in March. People are allowed to see the light. Also, nobody else is doing anything so good for Farage. Good for Fox too, although he needs to keep a lid on his Twitter spatter, it doesn’t do him any good.

222882 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 5, #618 of 2281 🔗


 This chart from the US capture it perfect. Covid-19 deaths and lock down deaths.

222895 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to swedenborg, 2, #619 of 2281 🔗

Government slogan missed opportunity

222923 ▶▶ GCarty80, replying to swedenborg, #620 of 2281 🔗

I presume that second “Covid deaths” hump in the summer must relate to the hypothetical scenario of full re-opening in June, given that we certainly didn’t actually have a second wave then?

(Sorry, hadn’t noticed this was US data. Of course there were two peaks there: blue states in spring, red states in summer.)

222929 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to GCarty80, #621 of 2281 🔗

I think it’s related to the differential seasonal deaths in the US related to latitude.

222883 tonyspurs, replying to tonyspurs, 8, #622 of 2281 🔗

January 1999 NHS in crisis who knew??

222888 ▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to tonyspurs, 4, #623 of 2281 🔗


222889 ▶▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to tonyspurs, 4, #624 of 2281 🔗

And another

222897 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to tonyspurs, 3, #625 of 2281 🔗

Good finds!

222999 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to tonyspurs, 1, #626 of 2281 🔗

These need to be made into posters as a reminder to the sheep that are still ‘asleep’…

222899 ▶▶ Moomin, replying to tonyspurs, 4, #627 of 2281 🔗

Gosh, puts it into perspective. That headline could’ve been written in March 2020!

222910 ▶▶ Moomin, replying to tonyspurs, 8, #628 of 2281 🔗

Just posted this image on FB with the following:
So, I guess the fear mongering is not new, just on another level in 2020. Gosh, I have such bad memories of the 1999 lockdown because of the overwhelmed NHS, oh wait…

222924 ▶▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to Moomin, 2, #629 of 2281 🔗

I posted it yesterday I didn’t get one like let alone any comments yet out of curiosity I posted a picture of my cat hiding in a box loads of likes and comments make of that what you will ?

222952 ▶▶ John Galt, replying to tonyspurs, 5, #630 of 2281 🔗

Good find. I put together one for online stories since 2013:

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223088 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to John Galt, 1, #631 of 2281 🔗

this is an exceptionally good piece of work, thank you

223191 ▶▶▶▶ John Galt, replying to Alethea, 4, #632 of 2281 🔗

No problem.

Here’s another I found online (I didn’t make this one):

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223308 ▶▶▶▶▶ Helen, replying to John Galt, 2, #633 of 2281 🔗

Just brilliant John

What Beeching was to the railways in 1963
Local Government Reorganisation was NHS in 1974

222885 Caramel, 4, #634 of 2281 🔗

It’s all shit, sorry for you guys. Here’s two delightful interviews with Profs Sunetra Gutpa and Sucharit Bhakdi. Might make you smile.


222887 chaos, replying to chaos, 54, #635 of 2281 🔗


I just went to supermarket. Jesus. A line of people waiting to go in.. because each was wiping down the handles of their trolley with the sanitiser and cloths provided. It seems one person started doing it. So everyone started doing it. I just bypassed them and barged straight in. My fave cereal was not on the shelf. I asked a male staff member aged about 60 (who was ironically ([given his response] not wearing a mask) if he had that cereal in stock. Why are you not wearing a mask he said. I said I am exempt. Now do you have that cereal please? He asked why are you exempt? I said excuse me, you are not allowed to ask such, you are not allowed to probe. By these new mad rules exempt is all I need state. He asked again. I said I am going to talk to your mamangter. He smiled in a go on then way. So I did. She was masked but thankfully acted like a manager. I explained what just happened. I know who you mean she said when I described him. I guess he’s been a twat before. I watched as she scolded him and he scurried off to the warehouse and off the shopfloor. SHe then apologised on his behalf.

As I left the store I noticed the papers all screaming about Prince William’s battle with corona. Of course. Just a couple of hundred deaths in that age group. Most with comorbidities. Of course this rich pampered unstressed man is battling. Remember William like Charles has talked about need for a Great Reset.

I walked home.. I thought what I need is a bit of nature. So I took a detour through my local park. It was all taped off and for the next few days is a test and trace centre staffed by the most rag taggle bunch of womble fuckwits you ever did see.

222904 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to chaos, 12, #636 of 2281 🔗

Prince William’s battle with corona – crap. More fear mongering for the plebs. A ‘family’ man with a famous grandma. pffftttt

222906 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to chaos, 17, #637 of 2281 🔗

Well done Chaos it sounds like you acquitted yourself well. The absolute hypocrisy of the old guy demanding you wear a mask but he doesn’t. Did you ever ascertain whether he had an exemption?

223014 ▶▶ Alexei, replying to chaos, 3, #638 of 2281 🔗

Good on you for handling that so well. An example for us all!

223085 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to chaos, 2, #639 of 2281 🔗

rag taggle bunch of womble fuckwits… nice

223164 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to chaos, 1, #640 of 2281 🔗

Bloody hell! that it’s come to this, just going …shopping…gawd!!

222893 RickH, replying to RickH, 8, #641 of 2281 🔗

Some really good stuff in today’s edition.

But, I am worried about an underlying tendency to accept one aspect of the government narrative : the elision of PCR + results with ‘infections’ and ‘deaths from Covid’.

Even the thoughtful piece of work on postponed deaths from the first lockdown falls into this trap :

But there clearly are increasing Covid hospitalisations and deaths currently happening in the UK”

No – there is increasing detection of possible SARS-CoV-2 RNA amongst hospitalisations and deaths.

We should not forget that distinction, and the fact (as pointed out by John Lee in his very first article for the Spectator ) that the revision of death registration has distorted death causation beyond any sense.

222911 ▶▶ calchas, replying to RickH, 9, #642 of 2281 🔗

Yes -these are fundamental points.

  1. The PCR is obviously flawed – ‘cases’, cycles etc.
  2. The ‘covid death’ rate is meaningless because of the biases in the registration of deaths.

Bottom line –

  1. Nobody knows how many people have the virus called ‘SarsCov2’
  2. Nobody knows how many people have died from a disease called ‘covid-19’

It is impossible to have any kind of scientific discussion when the measurements which are the basis of that discussion have been -I will say it – fabricated.

I suggest that the very way in which these statistics have been compiled tells us all we need to know about how serious or not this thing is.

223053 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to RickH, 3, #643 of 2281 🔗

Yes. Once we start using their deliberately misleading terminology uncritically we unwittingly validate their concepts. Say no to Newspeak.

222894 PaulC, replying to PaulC, 23, #644 of 2281 🔗

Graham Brady yesterday in the Sunday Telegraph (should this give some hope?):If we surrender our human rights cheaply, the cost will be immenseWe should take some comfort that there is a debate going on but it is astonishing how little attention is being paid to fundamental issues

222998 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to PaulC, 4, #645 of 2281 🔗

He was good on Talk Radio this morning too.

David Davis worried me a bit with his talk of ‘isolating people who test positive’ – isolation camps on the way?

222896 chaos, replying to chaos, 18, #646 of 2281 🔗

Wednesday’s vote.

Starmer is Davos. Boris is Davos. Boris has 343 MP’s. Starmer has 197. We will see maybe 60 tory MP’s vote against lockdown and Queef Starmer will whip his party to abstain. So the ayes will have it regardless of whether he whips for or against or abstention. Abstention is therefore his wisest safest move. Thus lockdown will be voted for on Wednesday. And it will go on well into the new year.. they might even prevent the sale of Christmas items like crackers and such as non-essentials.

We are in big trouble.

222915 ▶▶ GCarty80, replying to chaos, -1, #647 of 2281 🔗

Doesn’t the very fact that we’re now in a second wave show that there’s only two ways in which lockdowns can be justified?

a) as a short-term measure to avoid overwhelming the health care system, or
b) if you’re willing to push them all the way to elimination, as was done in New Zealand?

222920 ▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to GCarty80, 1, #648 of 2281 🔗

First ripple, after initial wave.

222933 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to GCarty80, 11, #649 of 2281 🔗

It isn’t a second wave, though. And NZ will have its first proper wave the moment it relaxes its sphincters

222996 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #650 of 2281 🔗

Ah that explains their PrimeMinisters strange grimacing.

222993 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to GCarty80, 9, #651 of 2281 🔗

NZ has not eliminated the virus.

222917 ▶▶ DRW, replying to chaos, 3, #652 of 2281 🔗

I expect a short Christmas breather to sedate the masses and claim some “success”.

222921 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to chaos, 7, #653 of 2281 🔗

Why do SNP MPs get a vote on lockdown in England?

222992 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Recusant, 2, #654 of 2281 🔗

They’d argue it’s a big enough issue that affects everyone. Fair enough, so it should not be a devolved issue in Scotland then… ?

222984 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to chaos, 3, #655 of 2281 🔗

Not Davos – Davros, creator of the Daleks. Look up an image of him.

222989 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to chaos, 3, #656 of 2281 🔗

But Johnson will be in serious trouble if 60 rebel.

224504 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to OKUK, #657 of 2281 🔗


222898 Locked down and out, replying to Locked down and out, 12, #658 of 2281 🔗

Is the re-banning of golf based on any scientific evidence that the game is actually responsible for the transmission of coronavirus? I somehow doubt it and would be willing to wager a pound to a penny that there is not one single example of anyone catching coronavirus while out on the golf course. So why ban it? I think I know, because not to do so would be seen by the MSM as a government pandering to a reactionary elite who are perceived to play the game. Clearly the government wants to avoid such headlines.

222902 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Locked down and out, 10, #659 of 2281 🔗

Well I’ve been playing golf with the same 2 people every week for the last 6 months or thereabouts and we are all pretty fit and I can say the same for all of the other usual people I see playing week in and week out.

222930 ▶▶▶ Sceptic in Oxford, replying to stefarm, 3, #660 of 2281 🔗

Get everyone you know at your club so sign the petition:


We need big numbers to counter the faked opinion polls

223005 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 3, #661 of 2281 🔗

I will try but their comfortable BMW driving life paid for by their fat pension revolves around going shopping once a week and playing golf 5 times a week. Not only are they in no danger of contracting ‘it’ they are in no danger of losing their job or house. I’ve been trying to tell them for months the state we are in but it’s water of a ducks back.

223071 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sceptic in Oxford, replying to stefarm, 3, #662 of 2281 🔗

This is part of the problem we face because people don’t see that it WILL effect them because sooner or later they/their wife/husband/child/grandchild/sister/brother etc will

need some kind of medical care
lose their job/business/home;
see the Golf Club/hairdressers/favourite restaurant/cafe/hotel or pub etc.shuts for good.

Sorry; I’m not ranting at you. I just find it so unbelievably stupid that people don’t understand that this will impact on everyone.

223117 ▶▶▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to stefarm, 1, #663 of 2281 🔗

If they think their FS pension is safe they are in cloud cuckoo land. I guarantee they won’t have any idea of the funding position of their scheme. If their employer fails and goes insolvent they will have to rely on the Pension Protection Fund. If interest rates go negative (even slightly) then gilts and corporate bonds will be worthless, combine that with an equity crash and they can kiss goodbye to their pension.

222907 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Locked down and out, 7, #664 of 2281 🔗

Wacking a ball around the countryside, carrying a bunch of sticks is murder. Stay home! You sound like Trump! 😀

222918 ▶▶ DThom, replying to Locked down and out, 3, #665 of 2281 🔗

Agree 100%
Golf is the easiest game to follow fabricated social distancing.
Going back to playing in two balls should be the very least option

222919 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Locked down and out, 7, #666 of 2281 🔗

None of the lock-up rubbish makes sense. Why would golf be any different?

222949 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Locked down and out, 1, #667 of 2281 🔗

Kids hockey on Sundays just suspended

222991 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Locked down and out, 1, #668 of 2281 🔗

Wonder if grouse shooting is still allowed?

223049 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Carrie, 2, #669 of 2281 🔗

It’s permitted, advocated in fact, if the grouse is being shielded by a peasant; no change there. Grousing, however, is banned.

223442 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Locked down and out, 1, #670 of 2281 🔗

I don’t play golf myself, but in my area it was “allowed” again in May after everything closed down in March. I had a chat with a pair of golfers in a local park which incorporates a golf course, and they were pleased to be out again and said it’s the ideal sport to do as it’s easy to maintain distancing (assuming there’s any point in that). The club house remained closed so there wasn’t any “danger” from that. What a ridiculous, pointless thing to close it down again.

222909 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 8, #671 of 2281 🔗

We did this in the last pandemic. Why not for C-19? Because Big Pharma bought influence among politicians and corrupt scientists. This high technology approach benefits Big Pharma stocks etc.,so they can buy even more influence in MSM


 “The CDC abandoned case counts as a metric for tracking 2009’s H1N1 outbreak “because only a small proportion of persons with respiratory illness are actually tested & confirmed…so the [benefit of reporting] these numbers is questionable.

222981 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to swedenborg, 4, #672 of 2281 🔗

This comment sums it up nicely

Contact tracing now is like trying to identify the exact location of where each rain drop landed several hours into a storm.

222913 Paul Weston, replying to Paul Weston, 7, #673 of 2281 🔗

The best thing this government could do is simply to label every one of the normal 1,500 daily deaths as Covid related. The actual number of the annual dead won’t change one iota of course but the middle-class-wives-club can have virtuous histrionics about the incoming Great Plague and could then lobby the government – via their media journo friends – to increase the lockdown ever further; perhaps even to the extent of solitary confinement, cold showers and zoom screened floggings for each and every dissident in the name of Public Good.

222963 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Paul Weston, 1, #674 of 2281 🔗

I think that’s an excellent idea it’s quite clear this lockdown doesn’t go far enough. we should adopt the CCP lockdown policy and start welding doors shut.

223076 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to JHuntz, 1, #675 of 2281 🔗

Definitely. I’m not actually desperate enough yet to consider killing myself, but I think that could totally be remedied by the precautionary measures you suggest.

222914 Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 23, #676 of 2281 🔗

Just watched Adam Boulton interview Richard Tice on Sky. Mr Boulton, you are not worthy of the title ‘lobby journalist’ and ‘interviewer’. Not only did you libel and defame Mr Tice, and by association Mr Farage, you would not let the man talk and answer your questions. I know your new owner, Comcast, is a paid-up Clinton-supporting shill, but that was a disgrace even by your usual standards.

222934 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 15, #677 of 2281 🔗

The response has to be the same as to the BBC – defund them. Stop using these political propaganda outlets dressed up as “news”. Find honest alternatives to build up.

222954 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Mark, 14, #678 of 2281 🔗

Tice gave as good as he got. His partner will when she is next out – she can be very cutting. Nigel gets his points across very well too. They are running scared in MSM/liberal elite land. If Trump delivers an upset tomorrow (he is giving it everything but the kitchen sink today) they will go into meltdown. Fingers crossed!

222958 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 8, #679 of 2281 🔗

I would luv it like Kevin Keegan if Trump did it. But I have already priced a Biden victory into my record-low opinion of the world

223069 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #680 of 2281 🔗

Tuxedo Junction VIP suite 1982 – he’s quite short!

223080 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #681 of 2281 🔗

I always preferred the Tuxedo Princess myself – somebody would usually fall in the river which kept it entertaining

223124 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #682 of 2281 🔗

Yes, used to go to that one too – and Maddison’s, Julie’s and Grobs. Those were the days!

223571 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ DickieA, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #683 of 2281 🔗

I once fell off the revolving dance floor after a few too many……

222925 maw1965, 10, #684 of 2281 🔗

Something else was bothering me about Vallance’s graph that shows 4,000 deaths a day:

I estimated the total deaths from Nov-Feb from that blue line at, roughly, 210,000 (triangular approximation most likely low)

Using the Oxford Centre for Evidence Based Research estimate of the infection fatality rate as being 0.3 – 0.49% that suggests between 43 – 70 million infections when the entire population is only 56 million (some of whom have already had it!!) https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/estimating-the-infection-fatality-ratio-in-england/

Am I missing something here??

222926 Rui Liu, replying to Rui Liu, 20, #685 of 2281 🔗

It is clear to me now exactly what the SAGE and ‘mainstream science’ wanted from lockdown.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0vL0281s5c – as pointed out by Carl Heneghan, infection rates are flatlining or falling in many of the tier 3 areas like Manchester or in student towns, so what SAGE are trying to do with this hastily arranged lockdown is to jump on the bandwagon of falling infections so that they can claim victory for their masterplan and say that it was the full national lockdown that got R under 1 and not the regional tiers strategy.
There is really overwhelming evidence now that there is a proto-Marxist agenda behind the ‘mainstream science’ and they want to bring down sectors and industries that are not ‘good’ in their eyes, like air travel, like events industry (which leads to increase in air travel and road travel), like the restaurant industry (causes obesity and waste in their eyes compared to home cooking)

222938 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Rui Liu, 15, #686 of 2281 🔗

Yes, I agree with that Ray. There is a cabal of Marxists that have been driving this from the start. They are aligned to, or at the very least, sympathetic to Extinction Rebellion’s aims. They want to eradicate air travel (apart for the elites to which they belong), meat, alcohol, proper heating systems, petrol engines, and so on. Boris is a useful, and likely compromised idiot, in this web.

222970 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #687 of 2281 🔗

There is a cabal of Marxists …”

Another flying pig.

It’s a good old capitalist ‘Follow the Money’ scam (see the Council of Europe report on the Swine ‘Flu fakery).

223003 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to RickH, 2, #688 of 2281 🔗

Probably both.

222975 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 7, #689 of 2281 🔗

Michie is definitely a Far Left extremist and should never ever have been in SAGE.

222988 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Rui Liu, 9, #690 of 2281 🔗

Heneghan implied on Talk Radio this morning that Whitty and Vallance (and SAGE) seem to be twisting the stats to support a decision/course of action already made, rather than enabling government to decide measures based on the actual (true and current) stats..

222995 ▶▶▶ Rui Liu, replying to Carrie, 4, #691 of 2281 🔗

I agree, I posted yesterday a link to a summary article of the Imperial modelling from March, where they already laid out a ‘recommendation’ that the pandemic will last 18 months and the strategy should be endless cycle of easing and lockdowns whenever cases exceed a certain threshold. They had nailed their colours to the mast then and they are never going to deviate from the course, the only way to truly stop this hysteria is to sack the lot of them en masse, like Trump did with Fauci.


223082 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Carrie, 3, #692 of 2281 🔗

Not “seem”, “are”. I think it’s been established beyond doubt now they presented a projection based on 3 week old data. The projection shows we should be on 1000 Covid deaths whereas we aren’t on 200 and something. They knew that. They knew they were deceiving the public.

223718 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Rui Liu, 1, #693 of 2281 🔗

Is it not too Machiavellian what you are suggesting. Though I own a similar thought crossed my mind this morning.

222931 Chana, replying to Chana, 13, #694 of 2281 🔗


i have a question. I am from Belgium. We are having very strict measurements at the moments. Everything is closed, except food stores, and we are allowed to see one person besides our close family and we have an evening clock. Our government did not want to do this. It had promised that we would not go in another lockdown. However, it was the hospitals and the doctors which forced the government to take measurments. Because the beds on the intensive cares are becoming scarce. In hospitals have to transfer patients. They are afraid that they will have to chose who lives and who dies. Especially hospital staff in Brussels have raised alarm. One doctor there in particular is very vocal. She does not even wants us to have any contact besides our close family. She is not famous but before corona she was on a television programme and she sometimes gives lectures on tv. Apparently in her hospital it is very bad. She is very, very alarmist. Liege has the most covid patients, however there doctors are less vocal. One doctor said in a reportage on television that he think an non-general lockdown would be better. But he was very modest in his expression of this thought. He said maybe I think that a lockdown targetting the vulnerable would e better. But afterwards he said but I don’t know, the people making decisions will probably know better.

anyways, I just wanted to say that here in Belgium the government really did not want the lockdown. Our prime minister said we would never go in lockdown again. But the doctors and hospitals (and the virologists) really put a lot of pressure on the government to go into lockdown. Especially Brussels. Liege which is at the moment the most hit not so much their doctors are less vocal than the flemish or brussel doctors. I think in Brussels they have worked hard and the staff is heading towards a complete burn-out that is why they are so vocal I think. They are afraid to have to make choices between who should live and who should die. They constantly say that. They don’t want to make that decision.
I do understand that hospital staff is exhausted and afraid, however still I think that lockdown does harm a lot of people. Some people do not have contacts and there main contact where there jobs, our cafes/restaurants, etc… Those people are all alone now. Yesterday I saw an elderly women in the park. She asked me a question. We talked very briefly, but she had so much despair in her eyes. It was kind of heart-breaking. She was not wearing a mask, and she was not keeping 1,5 metre distance. It was kind of heart-breaking. Doctors should also think about loneliness which can be torturing. Seeing people in the intensive care is very cruel side. However, loneliness can also be cruel however it is not so easy to make an image of it so it will have less impact that images of dying people. Maybe the restrictions are not so fair towards elderly without covid who now have to spend there last days in loneliness and fear. I don’t know. I think it is kind of cruel, however i do understand that hospital staff is panicking and some of them are exhausted.
Life can be so cruel. I hate to loneliness in people. It is so heart-breaking I think.

222957 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Chana, 12, #695 of 2281 🔗

I just wanted to say that here in Belgium the government really did not want the lockdown

Sorry but only weak governments give in

222959 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Chana, 8, #696 of 2281 🔗

The loneliness from these lockdown measures are absolutely devastating on all age groups. It’s interesting you say the doctors have pushed it in Belgium I don’t get that impression in the UK. The responsibility lies squarely with the government and the advisors who are pushing lockdown.

222965 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Chana, 2, #697 of 2281 🔗

Hmmmm…probably best if we follow events in the UK. I expect Belgium just does what Merkel and Macron tell it to.

222968 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Chana, 5, #698 of 2281 🔗

Was it the doctors or the hospital managers? I don’t think medical staff are in control of any of the NHS decision making, at local or national level here in the UK. And my local hospital is half empty.

222971 ▶▶ Morse, replying to Chana, -1, #699 of 2281 🔗

Ummm what was your question ? You prefaced your comment with saying you were going to ask one and then dived into a diatribe about lockdown in Belgium, a TL;DR would have been nice as well.

But yes I do agree loneliness is awful and all our governments should be ashamed of the what they are doing to their respective countries.

222983 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Morse, 3, #700 of 2281 🔗

I think this may be a language thing – I think what Chana meant was that she was her/himself questioning (ie trying to reason out) the rationale for the Belgian approach..
So the poster was ‘thinking out loud’..

223011 ▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Morse, 3, #701 of 2281 🔗

Diatribe … that’s unnecessary, everyone has their own style of discourse to express themselves. I assume you have second language competency to the level of chana.

223057 ▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Nsklent, 2, #702 of 2281 🔗

Yeah absolutely unnecessary. I actually liked the fact that Chana gave a different version of accounts from what we usually here.

223059 ▶▶▶▶ Morse, replying to Nsklent, 1, #703 of 2281 🔗

You’re right was a poor choice of word. Was more to do with missing the question, the comment content was fine, albeit long.

222976 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Chana, 4, #704 of 2281 🔗

Number o ICU beds in Belgian hospitals has falled by over 30 % in the last 30 years.

Against the background of an aging population.


222982 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to calchas, 1, #705 of 2281 🔗

‘Number of ICU beds has fallen”


223067 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Chana, 3, #706 of 2281 🔗

Nice to hear from you, Chana. Though the situation you describe is just as dismal and dismaying as here in the UK.

223068 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Chana, 2, #707 of 2281 🔗

Belgium did the first lockdown according to the epidemiologist at the right time. You had a severe first wave with many deaths. You took a severe economic prize of this lock down 5-8 % GDP contraction, which would have been better spent expanding ICU and hospital capacity. Instead your government mandate masks and continued following the lockdown route. Masks most likely increased infection. Lockdown will not stop the infection and death rate of C-19 will be higher with families being locked up infecting each other more easily. But it is possible that Belgium has had its peak according to the figures. In the Bell curve of epidemic when the cases decline, it will still being many hospitalized and deaths occurring but everything will go in the right direction. Sadly because of non C-19 lockdown deaths there will more deaths and misery because of lockdown.

222937 Chana, replying to Chana, 1, #708 of 2281 🔗

Sometimes on this website foul play is being suggested, but our government at the moment seems to have very little to say so I do not think that they benefit from it. You should have seen the look on the face of the prime ministers when I had to announce it. It is really the virologists and the hopsitals who are pushing the politicians to take actions. But why would there be foul play? What would they gain from it?

222950 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Chana, 7, #709 of 2281 🔗


222955 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Chana, 12, #710 of 2281 🔗

Whitty, Vallance and SAGE all have close links with Big Pharma. Many have explicitly supported replacing natural immunity with vaccination for all diseases. The epidemiologists are being treated like rock stars and are on a huge ego trip.

222967 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to OKUK, 6, #711 of 2281 🔗

Hancock too..

222977 ▶▶ Toby Pierides, replying to Chana, 2, #712 of 2281 🔗

Are you being serious? You rule out vested interests? Based on what? That all humans are lovely and not grasping and greedy?

222940 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 33, #713 of 2281 🔗

And yet again, everyone thinks this is a bit of a lark. So many people going “good luck” and then laughing … FFS!

When’s the effing anger going to kick in?

222951 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to kh1485, 25, #714 of 2281 🔗

The British stiff upper lip seems to have evolved into a stiff upper brain

222972 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 10, #715 of 2281 🔗

‘Mask brain’ …

223070 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to kh1485, 6, #716 of 2281 🔗

O-deprived thinking…

222960 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to kh1485, 16, #717 of 2281 🔗

I can only imagine that their lives are so meaningless that even being marched to the gas chambers would seem like “a nice day out”.

222966 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Mabel Cow, 4, #718 of 2281 🔗

a break from the new norm…

222969 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Mabel Cow, 6, #719 of 2281 🔗

I know. Not one person has even commented on your (brilliant) poster – “he gave his life …” that I have in the shop.

223086 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #720 of 2281 🔗

Of couse, Zyklon B – kills SarsCov2

222990 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to kh1485, 8, #721 of 2281 🔗

How many people do you know, who’ve actually said they enjoyed lockdown? Everyone I know who’s said this, has seen it as a home improvement holiday. Some have even been given extra cash to carry out the work.

222997 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to kh1485, 5, #722 of 2281 🔗

Also, I rarely make it to your corner of the county. But might have to make an exception if I need a takeaway!

223010 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to PoshPanic, #723 of 2281 🔗


223060 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to kh1485, 7, #724 of 2281 🔗

That may be my fault. I may have cornered the world market on rage.

222962 John Galt, replying to John Galt, 19, #725 of 2281 🔗

Official polls are absolute nonsense and serve only to mislead, demoralise and make you feel like you’re one of a tiny, tiny minority. We are definitely not. I really wish they’d stop getting posted in the main updates.

222979 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 23, #727 of 2281 🔗

Daily Mail: Piers Morgan reveals BOTH his parents contracted coronavirus.

Obviously they mustn’t have been being sensible. Selfish cunts.

222985 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Tom Blackburn, 10, #728 of 2281 🔗

So what Piers?

222987 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Tom Blackburn, 8, #729 of 2281 🔗

“Piers Morgan reveals BOTH his parents produces a positive PCR test.”

Fixed it for you Daily Mail

223002 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to calchas, 1, #730 of 2281 🔗

Ahh only tested positive

223018 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Victoria, 6, #731 of 2281 🔗

Te report says ‘contracted coronavirus’. What this means in more or less plain English is that a test was administered, which was declared to have a positive result. This formulation lacks the required drama however, so it is rendered using the expression ‘contracted coronavirus’.

There you are – we can now almost imagine we are in a Hollywood Disaster Movie.

223077 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Victoria, 4, #732 of 2281 🔗

But Piers got scared. That’s the important point he wants everyone to know

223081 ▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #733 of 2281 🔗

Yeah – needed a new mattress.

223016 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #734 of 2281 🔗

The rapists dad just announced the same thing. Coincidence?

223064 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #735 of 2281 🔗

One would have to have a heart of stone not to laugh

223112 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #736 of 2281 🔗


223102 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #737 of 2281 🔗

Have they ever had Flu!

222994 paulito, replying to paulito, 10, #738 of 2281 🔗

Just seen this before logging on here. An investigaion is in order as well. https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trump-hints-he-may-fire-fauci-after-election-day

223029 ▶▶ calchas, replying to paulito, 7, #739 of 2281 🔗

From a cannon hopefully.

223000 Richard Pinch, replying to Richard Pinch, 10, #740 of 2281 🔗


House of Commons

Science and Technology Committee


Evidence Session: Tuesday 3 November at 2.30pm

This session will be available to watch on parliamentlive.tv

On Tuesday 3 November, the House of Commons Science and Technology Committee will hold a special meeting to specifically explore the evidence behind the measures, due to come into force on 5 November, announced by the Prime Minister on Saturday 31 October. This will be ahead of the expected debate in the House of Commons on Wednesday 4 November.

The witnesses for the session are as follows:

Witnesses (at 2.30pm)

Sir Patrick Vallance , Government Chief Scientific Adviser; and

Professor Chris Whitty , Chief Medical Officer for England

Commenting on the announcement of the session, Chair of the Committee, Greg Clark MP said:

“This is an important moment in the handling of the pandemic. Parliament must have the chance to understand and question the evidence and rationale behind the new restrictions in advance of Wednesday’s debate and vote. I am grateful to Sir Patrick Vallance and Professor Chris Whitty for having agreed immediately to my request to appear before the Science and Technology Committee on Tuesday.”

Further Information: https://committees.parliament.uk/committee/135/science-and-technology-committee-commons

Follow us on Twitter: @CommonsSTC

Committee Membership: http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/science-and-technology-committee/membership/

223099 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Richard Pinch, 5, #741 of 2281 🔗

Greg Clark is a very fine empirical economist. The ranking member, Labour’s Graham Stringer is a scientist by background and is a lockdown sceptic (voted against the government last time). Could be interesting!

223155 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Richard Pinch, 2, #742 of 2281 🔗

So is it just another platform for the scaremongering to whip MPs into line for the vote, or are they going to be properly carpeted?

223974 ▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Mark, 1, #743 of 2281 🔗

… and on Wednesday morning at 0930 there will be a session with the chair of the UK Vaccine Taskforce.

223008 Cane Corso, 6, #744 of 2281 🔗

Just written to my MP yet again. “We understand that there may be a vote in Parliament this Wednesday on the latest emergency lockdown measures.
We would implore you and the Opposition to oppose this latest destruction of our economy, body politic and civil society in pursuit of a will o’ the wisp. Neither of us have heard of any evidence, published or anecdotal, that the last 8 months of measures has “saved” a single life. Please point us to any if you can.
Louise sent a rather lengthy email with many questions on 24 September and did not get an acknowledgement. For brevity we will not repeat those questions. The latest policy declaration by the Government and its advisors appears to have surpassed farce in both presentation and substance.
We realise the numbers are not with the Opposition. At least a vigorous criticism of this lamentable Government however could flush out those of its supporters who are all bark and no bite on this greatest catastrophe of our lifetimes.”

223009 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 12, #745 of 2281 🔗

Fantastic. The pig dictator has announced a six month credit card holiday

What they forgot to say is that interest rates on cards will remain at 40%

In six months the debts they cannot pay now will have increased by 20%

Happy holidays folks

223013 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 4, #746 of 2281 🔗

Dear mugs, it’s only a repayment holiday

223019 ▶▶▶ Crazy Times, replying to Cecil B, 6, #747 of 2281 🔗

This seems like a deliberate ploy to cripple people’s personal finances even further.

223030 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Cecil B, 3, #748 of 2281 🔗

I love the word “holiday”. Makes you think of sunny good times

223015 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 14, #749 of 2281 🔗

Finally, a viable alternative to wearing a face mask.

223034 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to godowneasy, 1, #750 of 2281 🔗


223052 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to godowneasy, 2, #751 of 2281 🔗

[gales of desperate mirth]

223021 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Victoria, 9, #753 of 2281 🔗

Friend landed in South Africa this weekend. No car available to rent – Avis told him half of workforce made redundant and most cars sold

Assume this will be similar all over the world

223063 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Victoria, 3, #754 of 2281 🔗

Crushing the car market in the process.

223330 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to calchas, 3, #755 of 2281 🔗

With all these people not commuting anymore, do they need a 2nd car which is parked at their nearest train station all day?
used car prices will go down. no 2nd car tax (less income for gov), no 2nd insurance, no 2nd mot, less jobs in all sectors.

223370 ▶▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to calchas, 1, #756 of 2281 🔗

No cars no CO2?

223044 ▶▶ Mark H, replying to Victoria, 1, #757 of 2281 🔗

Easy to check if that’s going to happen: try to book a flight for next week. See what happens.

223020 Mayo, replying to Mayo, 12, #758 of 2281 🔗

It’s astonishing that a lockdown is announced now. Deaths aside, most other measures indicates that infections have either plateaued or are declining.

Even Tim Spector (Covid Symptom study), who has never come across as a lockdown sceptic, has released a short YT video in which he says that cases are not surging. Most recent daily increase is 1.2%.

I thought the whole point of Dominic Cummings was to increases the level of numeracy & data expertise among government advisers.

223115 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Mayo, 4, #759 of 2281 🔗

No – the point of Dominic Cummings is to increase the profile of Dominic Cummings.

Never thought the guy was bright – the progress of Covid proves it.

223022 NickR, replying to NickR, 6, #760 of 2281 🔗

Explain this….. Liverpool & Manchester, famously 2 Northern cities put into Tier 3 once positive tests were reducing. In the chart you can see both the incidence of positive tests and hospital admissions both having turned before Tier 3 started. Tier 3 status would take at least a week to have any impact on cases & 2 weeks to have an impact on hospitalisations. So, how is this ‘out of control’. It looks like in both cities it’s hit a ceiling & declined.

223035 ▶▶ George Dance, replying to NickR, -5, #761 of 2281 🔗

It makes sense to me. If you can put in a lockdown when cases are already falling, then the lockdown needs to be for a shorter period and cause less damage – we can still all get the good feeling that the government saved our lives, but at far less cost. That looks like the perfect time to do it.

223045 ▶▶▶ NickR, replying to George Dance, 9, #762 of 2281 🔗

Yeah, brilliant, tell that to the poor sods who have to close their businesses, go bankrupt, have their operations cancelled while what was happening anyway continues to happen.
Are you a Government strategist by any chance?

223367 ▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to George Dance, 2, #763 of 2281 🔗

Can you please draw my attention to any authoritative papers which show that lockdowns work?

My understanding is that every paper published to date shows that they do not.

223104 ▶▶ wayno, replying to NickR, 1, #764 of 2281 🔗

whats the website these are from, i know the link was in one of the comments last week but i can t find it.

223133 ▶▶▶ wayno, replying to wayno, #765 of 2281 🔗
223024 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 12, #766 of 2281 🔗

Reports from the Birmingham protest march sound good:

Freedom Rally in Birmingham yesterday – no masks – no trouble – great atmosphere!

I was there. Met some great people. One guy works in a hospital. Says it’s empty and the same ambulances were going in and out and returning empty.

223048 ▶▶ Sceptic in Oxford, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #767 of 2281 🔗

Are they organising one for outside Westminster before the vote on Wednesday?

223026 George Dance, replying to George Dance, 9, #768 of 2281 🔗

Good morning to all from Canada. Due to the time difference, we get Lockdown Sceptics early in the morning; and I like to read it first thing of the day. There is so much information here, that I admit I some; I could spend the entire day reading linked articles and watching videos, and still miss some.

That’s why, while I hesitate to ask you to read yet another article, I am afraid you may have missed it. It’s been linked on LS before, and thanks to that I have 950 readers. But I hope to get far more for it. This month I’m featuring it on my blog, and I also sent a promo out to the social media where I promote the blog. I hope that is intriguing enough to get you to want to read it:

“This is one of the best articles I wrote this year. It’s meant to read like a magazine article about the Wuhan lockdown; not the physical details, but the idea that the Wuhan-style lockdowns can ‘beat’ COVID-19. I give the best evidence that it can, and then the evidence that shows why that was impossible, IOW, if my article is correct, then the Wuhan lockdown did not work.

“If so, then I want to reach as many readers as I can with it. If not, then I still want more readers, because each reader is a potential critic who can find the error. So I have made this my feature article for November, and I am also writing this to urge you, if you haven’t read the article, to please give it a try:

223054 ▶▶ calchas, replying to George Dance, 3, #769 of 2281 🔗


Infectious disease spreading allegedly uncontrollably for at least six weeks prior to the first official counter-measures on January 23rd.

During this period hundreds of millions of people travelling all over the country – China

Following which, the virus is virtually eradicated within two months.

Utter nonsense.

My current thinking is that China decided by early March that the virus stuff was all nonsense, or perhaps something they had themselves hyped, and decided to declare victory.

THe original events in Wuhan – flu, pollution incident??

223033 cerati, replying to cerati, 88, #770 of 2281 🔗

Run a gastropub, completely over this whole shambles.

Didn’t put up any perspex screens. Didn’t stop people coming to the bar. Constantly batted away swervers who demanded to know why my staff weren’t wearing masks back in July and August “because it’s voluntary. We asked if they wanted to, they don’t want to, that’s their right”. Batted away all the complaints about not being pursued for track and trace “it’s voluntary for you not mandatory for us. If you want to provide details, fine, I’m not going to pursue it unless you want to”. We put no signs up. No social distancing notices up. No markings on the floor. Nothing. My only concession was marking one door as an entrance and one as an exit and I didn’t bother to enforce it with anyone. My pub was like entering a time capsule from before all this crap and the vast majority of my customers absolutely loved it that way.

A too long story short, they bought in all the mandates that made life uncomfortable for people. Then eventually we ended up in tier 3. We’ve been bleeding money for a month now and we decided to close down as of last night.

Of all the customers who I’ve talked to about the lockdown, which is pretty much everyone, a good 80% are firmly against it and think it’s ridiculous, are angry that their freedoms have been stolen, think it’s blown out of all proportion and absolutely do not agree with a second lockdown.

Of the ones who do agree with it I ask them “if it’s so deadly, why are you out of your home? shouldn’t you be sheltering instead of exposing yourself to such a deadly pathogen, or does it leave you alone now you’re sitting down at a table with some food?” They never have an answer. Sit there with their dull cow eyes. “But people are dying” they occasionally say “people are always dying and have always died, the human race isn’t immortal” is always my reply.

So a lot of people don’t agree, and i did see quite a lot of people each week. Don’t let them fool you into thinking they have *everyone* brainwashed. The majority may be silent, but there’s more of us than they think.

223120 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to cerati, 17, #771 of 2281 🔗

The polls are lies.

223351 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to cerati, 12, #772 of 2281 🔗

It really infuriates me how decent people like you get shut down by all this nonsense.
I am also angry as it deprives me (although I live too far away) of a decent place to go out to and a business I would have liked to support or support in the future.
I like your response to customers who wanted you to comply. That they keep quiet when challenged why are they out then just shows how people have lost the ability to to think for themselves.

224019 ▶▶▶ cerati, replying to Silke David, 7, #773 of 2281 🔗

I deliberately ran the pub as a place that was more welcoming to sceptics than swervers. The atmosphere because of that was great, because people were there to have a good time, not to be terrified and they felt like they could speak freely. I have lost that camaraderie and so have they now. Damn sad.

223360 ▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to cerati, 8, #774 of 2281 🔗

Excellent post – so sorry to hear about the damage caused by the criminals in charge.

223672 ▶▶ Gail, replying to cerati, 5, #775 of 2281 🔗

Thank you for this post. I am really sorry to hear you have been forced to shut down what sounds like a good business. It must be heart breaking for you and your staff.

224002 ▶▶▶ cerati, replying to Gail, 11, #776 of 2281 🔗

We had never ran a pub before. We took it over just prior to lockdown. A failing pub for 24 years. We could fill it three times a day by early September. Then they made it impossible for our customers to use our services and we crashed. At peak we employed 26 people from the local area. Down to 12 now. It’s hard watching your business die when you did nothing wrong

224012 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to cerati, 5, #777 of 2281 🔗

Which is the real and sole reason for them limiting social interaction: to prevent dissent from going viral.

223036 DocRC, 9, #778 of 2281 🔗


Carl Heneghan on good form talking to Julia Brewer-Hartley this morning.I had to laugh when he side-stepped the question about whether Boris had listened when he presented his data.I think we know the answer!

223039 PoshPanic, 2, #779 of 2281 🔗

Another slam dunk on the care home cull, from the Institute of Government.


( correct link )

A picture says a thousand words

223041 Mary M., replying to Mary M., 1, #780 of 2281 🔗


Print off the letter, and send to the PM and your MP today. No time to lose.

223046 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Mary M., #781 of 2281 🔗

Cant open the link

223047 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Mary M., #782 of 2281 🔗

.Cant open the link

223043 Sue Rose, replying to Sue Rose, 4, #783 of 2281 🔗

Possibly the most depressing (of many!) stats in today’s posts are the numbers of people supporting further lockdowns. We, like I imagine most sceptics, don’t have tv – but tv exposure in someone else’s house last week to what can only be called brainwashing convinces me that we will get nowhere as sceptics until there are alternative facts being presented. what can we do?

223075 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Sue Rose, 8, #784 of 2281 🔗

Keep hammering away.

I don’t think popular support is quite as high as those posts you mention suggest.

I am sure you are aware that the 77th brigade has thousands of online identities at its disposal to push what their masters want.

The social and – especially – economic effects will eventually bite deep.

223121 ▶▶▶ Stephanos, replying to calchas, 2, #785 of 2281 🔗

I think you are right, these polls are not as accurate as they pretend. And I am sure that the questions have been loaded. However, although scepticism is on the rise there are still too many people who have been brainwashed. I make a studious attempt to avoid anti-social distancing and more people are ignoring it, BUT there are still far too many who think it (anti-social distancing) is a Good Thing. My wife encountered a friend this morning who said ‘don’t come too close’, last sunday at church someone retreated as I approached.
There is a long way to go.
But on the other hand, many delivery drivers do not wear face-nappies and I always thank them for not doing so. One of them then went into a wonderful tirade about how ridiculous it all was.
It is worth remembering that although the face-nappies are vile and disgusting, it is the anti-social distancing that is the real problem.
A company for whom I do some work occasionally hires some offices once or twice a month. These offices have rooms of various sizes; in the good old days one of these rooms would accommodate 60 people, that is now down to 12; another would accommodate 6 – 8; now it is 3.
Think about that and think about the extra costs involved in having meetings; not everything can be done by Zoom or MS Teams.
There is so much wrong with the new situation.

223165 ▶▶▶▶ Mrs issedoff, replying to Stephanos, 3, #786 of 2281 🔗

I actually feel differently to you that the anti-social distancing is worse than the wearing of muzzles. I don’t mind not getting too close to strangers, but I like to see their faces and expressions. Of course I know i’m not supposed to hug anyone if I listen to our fascist leaders, but that’s ok because I ignore them and always embrace my friends and family.

223130 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to calchas, #787 of 2281 🔗

I think the problem is in the term ‘support’.

If you substitute ‘willing compliance’, then I think the numbers are indeed high.

223227 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to Sue Rose, 3, #788 of 2281 🔗

I took a deep breath a few days ago to enter the fray on a BBC HYS. I was more than pleasantly surprised to find nearly 50% of the posts were sceptical. Ok so the amateur dramatics award went to the lockdown zealots, that bit was a no contest but remember that people are only going to go one way in this. People are not going to become lockdown zealots, they are only going to become more sceptical. That is why I know we can and will win this fight.

223050 Cheezilla, 6, #789 of 2281 🔗

Well I got a very prompt reply to my personal letter to my MP, in which I pointed out the egregious mendacity of Saturday’s presentation.

Here it is. Bless his gullible little self!

I’ve had a further update from the HRI Chief Exec and there are currently 111 Covid patients in CRH or HRI taking up beds which can’t now be used for other seriously ill patients and there have sadly been 45 Covid deaths in October here and 3 already this month. In our constituency we had 352 Covid cases in the last week up from 207 the week before. There will be more non-Covid deaths if we do not get the infections down.

Do keep trying though!

Use this as well as separate personal emails. Let’s flood their inboxes this week: https://saveourrights.uk/lockdown-resistance/

223051 Hairy Bob, replying to Hairy Bob, 28, #790 of 2281 🔗

Meanwhile, there is an unintended but entirely predictable consequence of the weekend’s omnishambles. My daughter who has remained at Uni reports that on Saturday her house were all saying “oh well – it’s only 4 weeks – let’s stock up on Malibu and weed”. This morning, upon realising that the Great Leader was lying and theyu will be locked up indefinitely, they are all arranging to be collected before the gestapo put the roadblocks in place on Thursday. Everybody my daughter knows who had intended to stay will now be returning home. As I have no intention of leaving her in solitary confinement over Xmas I guess I will be joining the trek up the M6 in the next couple of days.

223101 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Hairy Bob, 7, #791 of 2281 🔗

Have a shave first though Hairy Bob.

The way our children and young adults are being treated and blamed is an utter travesty. That generation cannot possibly forgive this one for the tumbleweed filled country that they will be left to inhabit. I feel desperately for them.

223111 ▶▶▶ Hairy Bob, replying to CGL, 2, #792 of 2281 🔗

…but I shaved in July 🙂

223386 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Hairy Bob, #793 of 2281 🔗

Once a year whether you need to or not?

223159 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Hairy Bob, 1, #794 of 2281 🔗

I wonder how many weed smokers have died of covid – could be the answer?

223337 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Sarigan, #795 of 2281 🔗

We need some RCTs on that one.

223055 Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 16, #796 of 2281 🔗

Well I’ve given it a go. Written to my Conservative MP.

Dear Mr XXXX,

I am a resident of XXXX, in your XXXX constituency. I do not usually write to MPs and will try to keep my email brief.

I listened with dismay on Saturday as the Prime Minister announced his intention to implement a second national lockdown. I am a Licensed Aircraft Engineer at XXXX Airport, and the coronavirus policy pursued so far has caused my family and I a great deal of hardship. I fear this second lockdown will destroy my career.

My situation is just one of many examples of the destructive nature of the government’s coronavirus policy. Civil liberties have been thrown away. Cancers are going undiagnosed. Businesses are going bust, destroying the hard work of many people who are likely to be natural Conservative party supporters. Jobs are being lost and many furloughed workers will never return to their jobs. The Chancellor has stated that funding for public services could be in peril. This is the tip of the iceberg in terms of the cost of lockdown, many effects have not yet been felt.

I strongly supported you at the last election. I had a large banner supporting your campaign placed prominently on my front fence. If the lockdowns and the destruction associated with them continue to be supported by this government, I will find it very difficult to vote Conservative again. I note with interest that the Reform Party has launched today, with its main aim being an end to this harmful coronavirus strategy. This party has the potential to draw in many natural Conservatives such as myself.

I urge you to vote against these measures. The harm they will cause in the long term will be enormous. Many people who support them now will wonder, in a year’s time when the panic subsides, why their prosperity has been destroyed. At that point their opinion will change and they will begin looking for people to blame, this could result in problems at the ballot box for the Conservative Party.

Yours sincerely,


223061 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 3, #797 of 2281 🔗

Great letter

223084 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Victoria, 1, #798 of 2281 🔗

Thanks. It’s unlikely to change much but the reason I quite liked my MP before was that he wasn’t afraid to go against the government on an unrelated issue that was important to me (not Brexit related either!). So you never know!

223136 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 2, #799 of 2281 🔗

Sadly, he will point out that, given where you live, he doesn’t give a XXXX.

223152 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to IanE, #800 of 2281 🔗

Most likely outcome.

223151 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 2, #801 of 2281 🔗

You might as well send it to a hamster

223158 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Cecil B, 1, #802 of 2281 🔗

It’s true. Probably 5 minutes wasted!

223062 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 12, #803 of 2281 🔗

When are people going to realise how hard (continued brainwashing, PCR tests, T&T, furlough, SD, gimp masks) those in power are working to convince us there is a deadly virus in the loose!!

They are not even very good actors, total hams. Fauci and Billy boy can’t even keep a straight face when they are lying to us.

223208 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to stefarm, 3, #804 of 2281 🔗

If it was a REAL virus government would be doing all it can to calm us down. But, err…..

223065 Stuart, 6, #805 of 2281 🔗

Cardiff Bay National Socialists are not going to extend the firebreak lockdown, according to Drakefuhrer.

Watch it boyos. Poking Boris in the eye might endanger your £500 million+ English gravy train.

223066 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 7, #806 of 2281 🔗

I think there may be millions of pro/anti lockdown flip floppers out there – on one hand reality and common-sense tell them lockdowns are wrong – but – on the other hand fear mongering by gov, their ‘scientists’, and the complicit MSM make people wobble back to pro lockdown thinking.

Is the use of fear to control people’s thinking a crime against humanity?

223204 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to Major Panic, 3, #807 of 2281 🔗


223340 ▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Major Panic, 1, #808 of 2281 🔗

I should think so. Is it not terrorism? Are the government not terrorists – i.e. an organisation or group that uses terror to achieve its objectives?

(Copyright Lionel Shriver).

223073 Janice21, replying to Janice21, 28, #809 of 2281 🔗

So people will be struggling to put good on the table and keep their homes warm……yet those twats on Strictly can still prance around making tens of thousands?!
What the actual fuck is going on in this country!

223094 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Janice21, 7, #810 of 2281 🔗

Can’t stand it now and never got involved with Halloween stuff either (have always been a miserable old cynic!) but my cousin was watching with her little daughter who wasnt allowed her Halloween party or trick or treating, and they had the nerve to carry on with their own celebrations as if nothing was going on. Callous bastards.

223131 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Janice21, 13, #811 of 2281 🔗

Totally agree. I’m now not allowed to see my bf of 3 years because we live in separate households but two strangers can prance on a glittery dancefloor. Get to fuck

223146 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Poppy, 3, #812 of 2281 🔗

If you think your right to see your long term boyfriend supersedes their right to salsa you’ve got your priorities all mixed up…

223249 ▶▶▶▶ William Hand, replying to JHuntz, 1, #813 of 2281 🔗

Exactly. It is the STRICTLY religion after all! brings joy and salvation to millions.

223295 ▶▶▶ alison, replying to Poppy, 8, #814 of 2281 🔗

Completely agree. It goes to show that Government and BBC think that we are all completely thick, with no real and important lives of our own. No doubt they think that Strictly is an important public service, raising the spirits of the hoi polloi who can live vicariously through watching some other people dancing. Just like they think everything will be OK as long as we get some tinsel, a turkey and a one day only chance for a hug at Christmas (never mind the birth of Jesus Christ who said “Do not be afraid” more often than He said anything else… Christmas has been commandeered for crappy political stunstmanship this year). They honestly think that ruining livelihoods, causing mental health distress, interfering in personal relationships and generally stamping on human life is generally OK with thinking adults, as long as there’s clapping, something sparkly on the telly and a farcical, sentimental rescue of Christmas by Uncle Boris.

223333 ▶▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to alison, 2, #815 of 2281 🔗

Yes, you’ve hit the nail on the head. As my bf says, ‘Bread and circuses’

223078 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 15, #816 of 2281 🔗

What the proles still don’t realise is that it’s not a four week lockdown because you can only get out of it if you meet some arbitrary criteria based on the flawed measure of PCR tests. It could be 6 weeks, 2 months, 6 months. Let’s hope granny lives long enough to see her grandkids again.

223113 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Achilles, 6, #817 of 2281 🔗

“If there is hope, then it lies in the proles” – wrote Orwell.

Thought that when I saw the beach at Bournemouth or read about raves near Manchester.

223202 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to Achilles, 5, #818 of 2281 🔗

Mine will ‘cos we ain’t complying with any of it! My Granny is 101 and until this year I have never heard her swear. If she had a swear box it’d be overflowing now, even if it was the size of Boris…

223079 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #819 of 2281 🔗

The Guardian: UK coronavirus live: PM would have saved thousands of lives with earlier lockdown, says Sage scientist.

223087 ▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to Tom Blackburn, 11, #820 of 2281 🔗

How does this esteemed ‘expert’ know this? Where’s his evidence? I’m sick of this sanctimonious drivel coming from these tunnel-visioned arseholes who are completely insulated from the consequences of this nightmare. Facts no longer seem to matter. Only feelings.

223090 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Tom Blackburn, 11, #821 of 2281 🔗

Fixed it for you

The Guardian: UK coronavirus live: PM would have saved thousands of lives if he’d sacked us, says Sage scientist.

223134 ▶▶▶ rose, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #822 of 2281 🔗

That’s what we need! Lisbeth Salanders and her friends who can change what the guardian writes before it goes into print And maybe do lots of alterations on the BBC website. Also see to it that MPs only receive 10% of their income and divert the rest into a fund for saving businesses they are ruining.

223083 Helen, replying to Helen, 1, #823 of 2281 🔗

NHS Brief HISTORY LESSON… ………………………………….. for popgeners (sp?)

pre 1974 the NHS was responsible for the following:

Medical services for all citizens of the UK as follows:-
Hospitals – medical & psychiatric etc
Public health, schools etc
Schools dentistry
All Social services – home helps & nurse home visiting etc
(probably more but you get the picture)

1974 local government reorganisation (LGR) was the start of NHS disorganisation.

Weird machinations during 1974 LGR and anyone interested could take a look at Scarborough, Whitby, Free masonry and the very very infamous. Perhaps thats when the rot began to set in?

223107 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Helen, #824 of 2281 🔗


a few years ago I read something in Lobster (Robin Ramsay) to do wth that.

Any more info links?

Particularly anything going on in 1974

223258 ▶▶▶ Helen, replying to calchas, #825 of 2281 🔗

I will let you know Calchas

223089 The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 6, #826 of 2281 🔗

On tenterhooks regarding my trip to Sweden on the 5th. Worried that they might close the border or cancel the flight but I really, really need this bloody break!!

223095 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 15, #827 of 2281 🔗

While you’re there enquire about claiming Political Asylum.

223097 ▶▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to Laura Suckling, 4, #828 of 2281 🔗

Oh, this is so tempting!

223106 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 8, #829 of 2281 🔗

Yes – human rights.

It is no longer possible for a human being in the UK to obtain the social noursishment necessary or a full human life.

223252 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 2, #830 of 2281 🔗

I am in the same boat. Due to fly out on Friday. I’m minded to try anyway, as long as my flight is still going ahead.

223092 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 22, #831 of 2281 🔗

Government slogan for teenagers might as well be: “Don’t kill granny, kill yourself instead”.

223100 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Achilles, 10, #832 of 2281 🔗

“Don’t kill granny, kill yourself instead”.

I can imagine a cute little booklet – probably part of a small series featuring all the little things we can do to protect the NHS.

‘Self-termination – The Covid Secure Way’

223143 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to calchas, 8, #833 of 2281 🔗

‘Don’t kill Granny’

‘Torture her in a care home and then kill her’

223225 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to calchas, 2, #834 of 2281 🔗

But stick this test stick up your nose first so we can record your death as a Covid death. Every little helps.

223138 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Achilles, 5, #835 of 2281 🔗

“Don’t kill granny. Completely destroy your future.”

223178 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Achilles, 1, #836 of 2281 🔗

Don’t kill granny, we’ll do it for you – safely.

223347 ▶▶▶ Helen, replying to calchas, #837 of 2281 🔗

Lizard plays out corona crisis with ducks ……………………. Staring Granny …….
.sorry its in German but please don’t be put off


223122 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 12, #838 of 2281 🔗

I cannot but be surprised by the way (apparently) everyone assumes that elections will be held in the future. Back in March, the government cancelled elections. Has everyone forgotten this, or does everyone believe the cancellation of democracy was temporary? If it is latter, I would simply remind everyone that temporary measures can last a very long time, so long as to appear permanent: consider income tax, for example: it was introduced as a temporary measure for the Napoleonic war.

223127 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Steve Hayes, #839 of 2281 🔗

An election could very easily be held, even with shit restrictions in place.

223137 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Tom Blackburn, -1, #840 of 2281 🔗

Yes – to cancel elections would be patent fakery.

223157 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #841 of 2281 🔗

Elections could (should) have been held in May. They didn’t happen. Currently, we have government by decree (Coronavirus Act 2020 esp. Part 2 Section 90). Why would any government wish to give up its unchecked power?

223128 ▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #842 of 2281 🔗

I’m not assuming it, at least, not in their current form.

223176 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #843 of 2281 🔗

I keep saying that too, Steve. People blithely say ”The Tories will be toast COME THE NEXT ELECTION”. Despots never give up power just because people don’t like them. We sound like a herd of sheep threatening a pack of wolves by bleating at them.

223223 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #844 of 2281 🔗

I think there is virtually no chance of the 2021 locals going ahead, have thought that since May at the latest. It has been obvious for ages. Real support for both big parties has crashed (bullshit polling aside), so Covid will rescue Keir Johnson Starmer from what would otherwise be an embarrassing number of spoilt ballots.

223263 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Ovis, #845 of 2281 🔗

And Keir Johnson Starmer certainly do not want an anti-Lockdown party on the ballot paper.

223378 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #846 of 2281 🔗

German Merkel gov considering delaying election. The CDU should have a general meeting beginning of December to elect new candidate. This has been postponed.
Public is very keen to go ahead with elections and get rid of Merkel.

223132 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 16, #847 of 2281 🔗

Yes the court case could be the soonest way out

If not the morons will eventually get fed up of wearing masks, no pubs, no family, no holiday, no theatres. no cinemas, no cafes, Piers Morgan, no sport, no gyms, no restaurants, smug MP’s, no Christmas, no money, no medical care, no food, huge debts, no humour, Marcus Rashford, no weddings, no job, no birthdays, no friends, no home. and endless lectures by the pig dictator

Have I left anything out?

223135 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Cecil B, 4, #848 of 2281 🔗

no hope

223148 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Alethea, #849 of 2281 🔗

Bob Hope

223142 ▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to Cecil B, 4, #850 of 2281 🔗

By the time they get ‘fed up’, it’ll be too late. What we can surely hope though is that our side of the argument is growing in numbers by the day, as the consequences of this catastrophe can only become more apparent as time goes on.

223147 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Cecil B, 1, #851 of 2281 🔗

No point

223156 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Cecil B, 2, #852 of 2281 🔗

You have inspired me to update the poem No! by Thomas Hood.
No sun, no moon, no proper time of day…
ending in:

223175 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Cecil B, 3, #853 of 2281 🔗

I like how Marcus Rashford is thrown in there. It really highlights how random and inane the story was. Just designed as a distraction.

223207 ▶▶ Paul, replying to Cecil B, 1, #854 of 2281 🔗

They show no signs of being anywhere close to fed up of it to me,a lot of them are actively enjoying it.

223231 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Cecil B, #855 of 2281 🔗

With luck some might catch a fatal bacterial infection from their masks and then they would surely be banned…

223140 Tyneside Tigress, 17, #856 of 2281 🔗

At long last, what looks like a proper scientific study:


‘Coronavirus T-cell immunity lasts at least six months even when antibodies are undetectableThe University of Birmingham and Public Health England study, a world first, boosts hopes of long term protection from Covid-19’

So, no need for a vaccine. Unlock!

223144 Suitejb, replying to Suitejb, 26, #857 of 2281 🔗

One advantage in having a GP as your MP is that I could add the following paragraph to the bottom of my email – which in my excitement I inadvertently sent twice!
As a doctor you of all people should know that a virus can’t be ‘beaten’. All we can do is mange it the best we can. You will also be aware of the fundamental principal of bioethics – non-maleficence. May I remind you ‘It may be better not to do something, or even do nothing, than to risk causing more harm than good’ . This is the situation in which you now find yourself. By supporting the lockdown you are condoning the Government’s actions in causing untold harm to the population through loss of businesses, livelihoods and mental and emotional distress.
I urge you to look to your conscience and vote against this lockdown.

223174 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Suitejb, 1, #858 of 2281 🔗

Mange? Thought it was caused by bacteria!! Lol we’ve all been victim of the terrible typo…

223195 ▶▶▶ Suitejb, replying to OKUK, 1, #859 of 2281 🔗

Shit! And I was trying to appear clever!

223162 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Zak Thelotofem, #861 of 2281 🔗



223150 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 23, #862 of 2281 🔗

Just confronted by an alpha sheep in the queue for M&S: ” You’re too close, move 6 ft away from me” he demanded.
I did feel threatened, I must admit but then I thought, well, if he’s terrified if I’m within 6 feet of him ,he ain’t going to thump me, is he?
Seriously though, 2 days before the 2nd “lockdown” I’ve noticed that people are starting to lose their tempers with one another and the atmosphere is getting very febrile.

223154 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Fingerache Philip., 11, #863 of 2281 🔗

Alpha sheep = beta male

223166 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Fingerache Philip., 6, #864 of 2281 🔗

Why didn’t the sheep just move away from you?

223173 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #865 of 2281 🔗

Too much initiative and independent thought required.

223171 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Fingerache Philip., 6, #866 of 2281 🔗

Reminds me of Eric Cartman in South Park’s Pandemic Special with his distancing pole. “Six feet! Six feet Mom!!”

223172 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #867 of 2281 🔗

You were verbally savaged by a sheep, as Denis Healey might have put it.

223193 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Fingerache Philip., 10, #868 of 2281 🔗

An Alpha sheep 🙂
Cunt more like.

223201 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Two-Six, 4, #869 of 2281 🔗

Yep, a cunt..not a sheep.

223240 ▶▶ William Hand, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #870 of 2281 🔗

My experience shopping today is manic. If lockdown is eased on Dec 2nd by some miracle then the rush for Christmas by the proles is going to be something else! Back home now on lovely tranquil, peaceful and maskless Dartmoor. An oasis of sanity in a mad country.

223311 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to William Hand, 1, #871 of 2281 🔗

Lucky, lucky you.

223153 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 1, #872 of 2281 🔗

DID YOU KNOW that internet censorship is coming to the UK?


223163 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Victoria, 10, #873 of 2281 🔗

No , but I knew it was here already.

223346 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Victoria, #874 of 2281 🔗

I’d assumed it was already here.

“Welcome to the Sub-Committee on Disinformation.

Role of the Sub-Committee
The work of the Sub-Committee builds on the DCMS Committee’s inquiry into disinformation between 2017 and 2019. The Sub-Committee will take forward the work begun under the inquiry, including individuals’ rights over their data, the effect of disinformation on political activity, the regulation of big tech and online harms.

This page contains all of the work conducted by the Sub-Committee, as well as links to the main Committee’s inquiry into ‘Disinformation and ‘Fake News’ 2017-19.”

Despite the Mueller report in the U.S. finding no Russian collusion over the US 2016 election, this committe has been obsessed with finding “Russian disinformation” and “Fake news” online, which is why they’ve now put Ofcom in charge of what newspapers/news media can and can’t report over CV19. They also want Ofcom to monitor the internet for “fake news” = news they don’t approve of.

They should be looking to SAGE and No.10 briefings for fake news….

223161 Smoking Man, replying to Smoking Man, #875 of 2281 🔗

New Italian rules…. “Middle and secondary schools will be ordered to use distance learning only”.


223237 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Smoking Man, #876 of 2281 🔗

Although a full lockdown not yet.Riots all over Italy and I suppose the government might be divided (5 stars more worried)

223167 vargas99, replying to vargas99, 3, #877 of 2281 🔗

A great little stocking filler for those loved ones who still don’t get it!


223181 ▶▶ Jenny, replying to vargas99, 1, #878 of 2281 🔗

Funny you should post this – I ordered 4 copies yesterday!

223314 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to vargas99, #879 of 2281 🔗

My two copies arrived today (one is a gift). Ordered the artists edition. Just had a quick browse through so far but has some corkers.

224267 ▶▶ DomW, replying to vargas99, #880 of 2281 🔗

I received my copy today!

223168 2 pence, 1, #881 of 2281 🔗
223169 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 9, #882 of 2281 🔗

 As an oddity to publish (considering the lockdown of tourist traffic from UK) is the Canarian law requiring all visitors to tourist accommodation to have a negative PCR test 72 hours from 14 th November. I think Canary Islands are now exempt from quarantine in the UK. So if you want to go to Canary Islands post 2 dec(cross fingers) this is what to expect from the imbecile local government and mask everywhere. The best suicide note for the tourist industry ever written.

223192 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 7, #883 of 2281 🔗

Costa Rica have ditched their PCR test requirement. No info online as to why, only that it recognised the fact it would decimate their economy.

223212 ▶▶ Julian, replying to swedenborg, #884 of 2281 🔗

Yes, love the Canary Islands and was thinking of getting a little place there to spend the winters. It’s off the list now.

223177 alison, replying to alison, 3, #885 of 2281 🔗

Anyone happen to know whether Sweden is still a sensible place to be right now? Some stuff in the news suggesting that new guidance amounts to voluntary lockdown but suspect that may be nonsense.

Thinking of getting the heck out of this wonderful but currently godforsaken country for a few weeks. In Scotland, so a bit more time to get out before Sturgeon copies Johnson and bans international travel. Other option thinking about is a Greek island, but suspect Greece will shut down again soon too as it has become the fashion again.

223179 ▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to alison, 2, #886 of 2281 🔗

Alison, I’m still hoping to go on 5 November. A day after this bullshit lockdown kicks in, but you can travel for ‘work’. Not sure if I’d be questioned but I have an idea what to say in case I am. Only risk is that Sweden might bar entry or the flight might be cancelled.

The ‘voluntary lockdown’ is clearly an oxymoron and an invention of the British press. It is indeed nonsense.

223189 ▶▶ Julian, replying to alison, 2, #887 of 2281 🔗

We were there a few weeks ago and it was quieter than usual, from what we were told, but in general felt like normal life – no masks, no T&T, no rule of six, no swerving, people dancing and eating and drinking.

I think the guidance has been updated in certain areas to advise more caution, but it is only guidance. I suppose it’s possible you’ll find certain businesses closed, I am not sure, but certainly in Stockholm almost everywhere was open and while not packed, places had plenty of customers.

Try to DM Carrie if you can as she is there though it may be too early to say what the impact is. I spoke to someone in Gothenburg last night and life was still pretty normal there.

Whatever happens it will be better than the UK.

223203 ▶▶▶ alison, replying to Julian, #888 of 2281 🔗

Thanks very much both, that’s really helpful. And good luck getting out on the 5th Calum, hopefully the airports will not be organised enough or motivated enough to be policing reasons for leaving the country on the 1st day.

223196 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to alison, #889 of 2281 🔗

Most Greek islands effectively shut down at the end of October anyway, certainly the smaller ones. Islands such as Crete and Corfu would be a better bet or perhaps Cyprus?

223211 ▶▶▶ alison, replying to Sarigan, 1, #890 of 2281 🔗

Thanks also! Yes Sweden probably a better option. Even if quieter than normal, lack of mask BS in itself a huge advantage.

223197 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to alison, #891 of 2281 🔗

Sweden is fine. Sine the start of this madness the ‘forces’ are desperate to put Sweden in a bad light

223206 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to alison, #892 of 2281 🔗

Don’t listen to the news. It’s all bullshit designed to put people off travelling.

223224 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to alison, 2, #893 of 2281 🔗

We should get in some little boats and cross the North Sea to claim asylum in Sweden. How do I contact the people smugglers please?

223236 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Fiona Walker, 2, #894 of 2281 🔗

Good point. We could ask them if they do outbound services too! They would be very confused.

223250 ▶▶▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 6, #895 of 2281 🔗

Can you imagine their faces as they climb out of the dinghies when they arrive at Dover and the English are lining up to get in them and leave 😂

223285 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to tonyspurs, 4, #896 of 2281 🔗

“I’m trying to get to Somalia, I want freedom and prosperity!”

223238 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Fiona Walker, #897 of 2281 🔗

Wait on the beach at Dover and half inch one of their boats, tag team

223256 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to stefarm, #898 of 2281 🔗

What happens to all those boats when the “refugees” arrive?

223183 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 7, #899 of 2281 🔗

JP Morgan in an article in Zero Hedge:

It also means that the virus resurgence and the reemergence of lockdowns and growth weakness could bolster the above equity upside via inducing more QE and thus more liquidity creation.”

So it doesn’t matter if your business is destroyed and more people are on the dole or worse. What matters is that intervention by central banks to “deal” with the crisis means more easy money. Hence inflated stock prices.

223186 ▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to mhcp, 1, #900 of 2281 🔗

Well, they’ve been onto a winner with this wheeze since the global financial crisis.

223188 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to mhcp, 1, #901 of 2281 🔗

Everything is just one massive bailout, been that way since 2000

223210 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #902 of 2281 🔗

It’s not a bailout… It’s just a TRANSFER of WEALTH and PROPERTY.

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223529 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Voz 0db, #903 of 2281 🔗

It is a bailout. It’s just about how close to the tap you are. Every crash since 2000 has increased in scale and the window of stability between them shortening. The reason is that the system only survives on ever greater quantities of debt. If you cannot continually introduce it at required speed you’ll find there is not enough money to orevant a deflationary death spiral.

They can normally rely on the commercial banks and jiggery pokery of the financial markets to move debt into new fangled synthetic products and keep the truth from emerging (that we are bust) and this is why they wield so much power.

However once in a while the force of nature takes hold and large scale debt fuelled crash occurs in a specific systemically important market. Then the debt is moved either onto the publics books via government bailouts or onto the central banks, via schemes such as QE and ZIRP/NIRP.

This is unsustainable obviously but there is plenty of games to be won and proximate benefits for those close to the tap. That’s where your transfer of wealth comes in. Those at source get the first use advantage of new money. As that moves through the economy you get more money chasing the same number of goods and price inflation occurs. Which itself is a tax on th working man, the wage earner, the asset poor

224046 ▶▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #904 of 2281 🔗

You don’t need to bailout the Owners of the Monetary System!

223233 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to mhcp, 1, #905 of 2281 🔗

Is that why hedge fund managers are exempt from self isolating

223184 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 10, #906 of 2281 🔗

9 Lockdown Spartan rebels so far.,should get into double figures. A reasonable start, given the Craven character of Conservative MPs. Once it gets to 40 the government have a serious prob on their hands.

223213 ▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to OKUK, 4, #907 of 2281 🔗

I would add Peter Bone and Philip Hollobone to the list as they’ve voted against all restrictions so far.

223220 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to nocheesegromit, #908 of 2281 🔗


223234 ▶▶ DRW, replying to OKUK, 1, #909 of 2281 🔗

If Doris has to rely on Smarmy it must be game over.

223241 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to DRW, #910 of 2281 🔗

Why? They’re in bed together anyway. And it helps the Tories overall in their masterful game plan of walking both sides of the street.

223349 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Ovis, #911 of 2281 🔗

Please can we agree not to discuss Bozo in the context of anything to do with beds and things that happen there – it’s really not helpful! 🤫

223399 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Ovis, #912 of 2281 🔗

I meant for him personally.

223375 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to OKUK, #913 of 2281 🔗

Not with Labour following the government into the lobbies.

223185 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 28, #914 of 2281 🔗

I hvae just been out and about. Masketeers are everywhere! In cars, walking down the road. People in the garages I went to, a shop keeper in a visor. Fucks sake. Brianwashed fools. i listened to BBCR4 at 12:00 they had some cunt from sage Dr Mark something or another, on saying that another lockdown isn’t the actions of a totalitarian government and that if other totalitarian governments of the world didn’t lockdown then we would be complaining about them not locking down. The arrogance of this cunt was staggering and obviously there was no opposing views expressed on the fucking bastard BBC.

223190 ▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to Two-Six, 11, #915 of 2281 🔗

SAGE members are handpicked by Vallance and Whitty. Therefore they inevitably only represent a narrow strand of opinion and, if not ignored, should only be listened to to a limited extent. Unfortunately the BBC disagrees.

223198 ▶▶ Paul, replying to Two-Six, 10, #916 of 2281 🔗

Same around here,masked ghouls in abundance,on the streets,driving cars and vans,panic buying in full swing.
I don’t want to upset any optimists but we really are fucked this time at least from my observations this morning,the brainwashing plan appears to be pretty much complete.

223209 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Paul, 9, #917 of 2281 🔗

It’s much worse than every before. So many masks. I went into a garage, woman behind a screen in her stupid little office put on her stupid little blue face nappy. I said no need to wear that on my behalf and she she it was for her benefit not mine.
Fucking Muppet.

Also the roads were pretty quite again.

223222 ▶▶▶▶ William Hand, replying to Two-Six, 6, #918 of 2281 🔗

Just let them stew in their own misery, if they want to wear their stupid face nappy let them. Saw 4 maskless in Trago Mills this morning here in Devon. Plus me of course!

223288 ▶▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to William Hand, #919 of 2281 🔗

I’m sure the peacocks are thinking “And they point at us with our big tails, pointing out how useless they are”

223277 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Two-Six, #920 of 2281 🔗

I think so too. Many many more outside now.

223800 ▶▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to CGL, #921 of 2281 🔗

It’s a competition now to wear them in all weathers and empty streets just in case when you turn the corner and you see someone else in one at least you know you’re part of the tribe and it will feel like the world is making sense.


223226 ▶▶▶ Eddy, replying to Paul, 7, #922 of 2281 🔗

They love it. Fucking love it.

223215 ▶▶ William Hand, replying to Two-Six, 3, #923 of 2281 🔗

Oi ladies present! Watch your fucking language!

223232 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to William Hand, 3, #924 of 2281 🔗

Sorry ladies. I am flippin angry.

223300 ▶▶▶▶ Mrs S, replying to Two-Six, 3, #925 of 2281 🔗

Fill your boots, dear.

223221 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Two-Six, 9, #926 of 2281 🔗

Feels just like March again, with worse weather. I need to get out of this pathetic excuse of a country.

223194 Cheezilla, 12, #927 of 2281 🔗

Each time a man stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring, those ripples build a current that can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance.
Robert Kennedy

223199 Voz 0db, 4, #928 of 2281 🔗

If one of the SRF is HAPPY with lockdowns…

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STOP BEING SO SCEPTIC!!! They know what is best for Their slaves!

223214 CreakyCrane, replying to CreakyCrane, 12, #929 of 2281 🔗

I’ve just been scrutinizing the government guidelines and it looks to me that support groups are allowed to stay open with up to 15 participants. Do you think we could start groups for people suffering during the pandemic and actually mobilise in some way?

223298 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to CreakyCrane, 5, #930 of 2281 🔗

I like the idea of an anti-lockdown support group.

223310 ▶▶▶ Mrs S, replying to thinkaboutit, 3, #931 of 2281 🔗

Excellent idea.

223328 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to CreakyCrane, 2, #932 of 2281 🔗

I’d happily join.

223520 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to CreakyCrane, #933 of 2281 🔗

I have been trying to get something off the ground via Nextdoor previously, had 2 people who said they were interested and then never heard of them. Posted it again yesterday, got 5 likes but no-one who says give me a date, time and location. I must be living in a community who does not care.
Hope others have more luck!

223782 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to CreakyCrane, #934 of 2281 🔗

Yes, I’ve been looking into it too. It says: ‘Support to victims of crime, people in drug and alcohol recovery, new parents and guardians, people with long term illnesses, people facing issues with their sexuality or gender and those who have suffered bereavement.’

Why are people with gender issues singled out? Why not people with disabilities?

We definitely need support groups in all regions to plot the downfall of the government – what shall we call them?

223216 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 2, #935 of 2281 🔗

Does anyone have a reference for a simple laypersons’ guide re how virologist determine what is a mutation, a variation, a strain or a novel virus. Covid-19 is supposed to be “novel” but its official title of SARS CoV2 suggests it developed out of SARS. I think this is an important area of discussion but mutation rarely gets mentioned.

223363 ▶▶ djaustin, replying to OKUK, #936 of 2281 🔗

This is the source material https://www.nature.com/articles/s41564-020-0695-z
It’s technical but nicely written.

223372 ▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to djaustin, -1, #937 of 2281 🔗

This is the family tree. A black dot says 90% the same (SH = sequence homology). Orange ones at the bottom give you a cold. MERS in the middle will kill you.SARS-CoV and SARS-CoV2 are at least in the same family – about 70% the same based on all genetic sequences.

223218 nocheesegromit, 2, #939 of 2281 🔗

Is there a petition to publish the dodgy dossier: 2020 edition? Thinking of setting one up.

223219 calchas, replying to calchas, 2, #940 of 2281 🔗

Apparently, the first British man – Conor Reed – ‘known to have contracted Covid-19’ has ‘died in a tragic accident’. He was a 26 year old student at Bangor Univ. The nature of the accident is not specified.:

“His mother Hayley said he had never got over the “hardship” of contracting coronavirus after he was forced to spend 20 weeks in lockdown.”


223235 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to calchas, 1, #941 of 2281 🔗

Did he fall on his keys?

223239 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Ovis, #942 of 2281 🔗

It certainly looks that way.

223243 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to calchas, 4, #943 of 2281 🔗

There is a complete lack of info in this story which I think is deliberate. He never got over the 20 week lockdown as advised by his mum but at the end of the article says he admired China’s response to the virus and the harsh measures imposed. Which is it?

223259 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to JHuntz, 3, #944 of 2281 🔗

He told the DM in March – from diary:

“Day 1 — Monday November 25: I have a cold. I’m sneezing and my eyes are a bit bleary. It isn’t bad enough to keep me off work. I arrived in this country to teach English as a foreign language — but now I’m a manager at a school in Wuhan, the city in central China where I have lived for the past seven months.”


If true, this places the start of his illness 59 days before China imposed counter-measures.

Are we supposed to believe that something was spreading uncontrolled for at least 59 days, and that in the six weeks ollowing January 23rd China virtually eradicated the virus.

223274 ▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to calchas, 2, #945 of 2281 🔗

This is a good spot. It’s complete rubbish and just before the lockdown people were already moving about the Country for Chinese New Year. The biggest human migration on the planet!

223294 ▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to JHuntz, 5, #946 of 2281 🔗

At some point the Chinese government realized that covid19 was a load of bollocks.

They wound everything down and declared victory.

A PCR test conducted in China would probably find tens of millions of positives. At least!

223313 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to calchas, #947 of 2281 🔗

Would that the UK government would realise it all nonsense, wind everything up and declare victory. Any subsequent COVID deaths could be labelled flu or pneumonia.

223291 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to calchas, 2, #948 of 2281 🔗

As this guy was the first case in the UK and subsequently 40,000+ people have now supposedly died from COVID. Then why are the press not labelling this guy as a mass granny killer, as by their logic he is more than likely responsible for a lot of these deaths?

223230 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 11, #949 of 2281 🔗


Put the government on notice of “conditional acceptance” NOW.
This is the highest form of honour, they have made you an OFFER you have ACCEPTED it under CONDITIONS, the ball is then in their court, they MUST rebut your points with clear factual evidence.
I’m even going to write it for you…..

I will conditionally accept your demands on proof of the following,
1) A document that shows and provides scientific evidence of the testing procedure being used in this country that 100% positively identifies Covid19 otherwise known as Sars cov2 not ANY other type of coronavirus in a living being beyond any reasonable doubt.
2) You can guarantee and prove that the test being used to justify these “guidelines” will not give a false positive result.
3) Evidence that this is Law, because it clearly says “guidelines”.
4) A copy of the two way contract signed by BOTH parties where I agreed to follow these “guidelines”
5) The government website clearly states Covid19 is no longer considered a HCID, please provide scientific proof of it being highly contagious.
6) Please clearly define what you mean by a “public health threat”.
7) Can you confirm the current medical threat to a normal healthy individual (under 75) and confirm how many critically ill healthy people without any underlying conditions (only) there are in ICU so I can make an informed decision on these “guidelines”.
What grounds does an alleged “public health threat” which was downgraded in severity levels in March become of higher importance than the long term threat I face in terms of mental and financial ruin?
9) Are you willing to accept full liability for any/ all financial, physical and/or mental health problems brought on by following this guideline and closing my business?
10) Please confirm that these guidelines have been through a risk assessment and will protect me from mental and financial ruin.
11) Please present me with a copy of the “guidelines” and show me where it specifically names my business.
12) Where there is no victim there is no crime.
Please explain to me how I am breaking the law by not following these “guidelines” .
Only a reply that meets the following criteria qualifies as a proper and verfied reply.
It must be supported by an affidavit with a full legible, title, wet signature, name and address, signed and sworn or affirmed as being true, correct, complete, certain and on full commercial liability and on penalty of perjury.
Any correspondence must only be sent by registered mail.
All questions 1-12 MUST be answered clearly.
If no reply in the correct manner is received within seven (7) days it is thereby taken as your assent and agreement.

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223253 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Cheezilla, #950 of 2281 🔗

“1) A document that shows and provides scientific evidence of the testing procedure being used in this country that 100% positively identifies Covid19 otherwise known as Sars cov2 not ANY other type of coronavirus in a living being beyond any reasonable doubt.”

You need to correct the terms used!

RNA “SARS-CoV-2” is the alleged new causative agent (aka virus) that causes Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19).

It is alleged since no scientific study (at least two from two different groups) as demonstrated that RNA “SARS-CoV-2” is an infectious viral particle that can cause a disease (pneumonia) and eventually kill the host.

So in FACT all this is just a nice theory… nothing more, nothing less!

223245 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 14, #951 of 2281 🔗

In the prior press statement, Patrick Valance said, “The modelling, that’s the data we are looking at.” So the country’s most senior scientific adviser thinks the outcomes of computer models are data.

At around the same time, Boris Johnson (without the benefit of a scientific education and with the benefit of a Classics education) told us that lockdown was Charybdis.

So the result of all this education is that scientifically illiterate scientists have persuaded the non-scientist to throw us all to what he knows to be a devouring monster on the basis of pseudoscience.

If a satirist made this up no one would find it in the least credible. We are in the midst of a case of collective madness that many vested interests are exploiting for all it is worth and I fear the madness will not end until the harm done has been so catastrophic that no one can deny that the cure is worse than the virus.

223255 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #952 of 2281 🔗

It is data, it’s just not real-world data

223301 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to captainbeefheart, #953 of 2281 🔗

Data are facts. Computer model outcomes are nothing more than the mathematically inevitable results given the assumptions.

223264 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #954 of 2281 🔗

The data that one of his sponsors also commissions, How coincidental!

223303 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to DRW, 1, #955 of 2281 🔗

They are not data. Data are facts.

223320 ▶▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #956 of 2281 🔗

Yes it’s not data. Data is collected. Models are generated.

223371 ▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Achilles, #957 of 2281 🔗

Exactly, bullshit model-generated “data”.

223319 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Steve Hayes, #958 of 2281 🔗

Starvation in the streets and suicides off the scale, that’s the only way for it to end now.

Visual reminders of the carnage.

223334 ▶▶ Kev, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #959 of 2281 🔗

You use modelling when real empirical data is unavailable or sparse.

As you recover more data you adjust the models to match the data, not the other way round.

This is pure manipulation to provide cover for a required agenda.

223247 Robert Keiller, 2, #960 of 2281 🔗

The comments on the REACT study miss the point. The manipulations to get to a figure of 90,000 cases per day are neither here nor there. They’re probably as good an estimate as any.

Much more significant – and shocking – is the way the data is presented. The most reliable way to measure the progress of the epidemic would be to test a large enough sample to estimate the current rate of infection, wait three or four weeks and repeat. Then estimate the rate of increase of the epidemic by comparing the estimates 3-4 weeks apart.That is the primary purpose of the REACT-1 study, and that is precisely what they did. They estimated that the doubling time of the epidemic was 22.7 days or and R-value around 1.16. This is the most robust statistic produced by their study.

So, did they publicise this statistic or list it in the summary of their latest report?


Instead, because the sample for each round of the REACT study, themselves take place over a couple of weeks, they took the first few days of the latest round and estimated the growth of the epidemic from within the latest round itself. Producing a far less reliable statistic, and with no discussion in their report for how this might be affected by temporal biassing in their sampling (eg if you were suffering from COVID at the start of the sampling period, might you wait until you felt better before arranging a courier to take your sample?). However, this gave them the statistics they needed for a headline “R-value above 2 in London” – which was so much better than “doubling time 27.9 days in London”.

223248 Sim18, replying to Sim18, #961 of 2281 🔗

Does anyone have a link to the proposed lockdown legislation (from Thursday)?

223296 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to kh1485, 1, #963 of 2281 🔗

An interesting note: The Guidance identifies those specifically at risk of serious illness from the virus. The list does not include BAME, which implies that the government does not believe its own propaganda science regarding BAME people and the virus.

223488 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Steve Hayes, #964 of 2281 🔗


223500 ▶▶▶ Sim18, replying to kh1485, #965 of 2281 🔗

Hello khl485, thanks for the reply. I’d seen that article but am unable to find the legislation on which the “restrictions” in that article are based. What the government says are the rules, what the police interpret as the rules and what the legislation actually says aren’t always the same.

223508 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Sim18, #966 of 2281 🔗

Won’t be published until Wednesday or thursday.
Notices | coronavirus-notices| The Gazette

223517 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sim18, replying to Silke David, #967 of 2281 🔗

Thanks Silke.

223776 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sim18, #968 of 2281 🔗

OK. Sorry about that … kh

223262 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Sim18, 2, #969 of 2281 🔗

What you mean they actually have to publish a paper.

I thought the PM’s oral instructions at the Presser were sufficient these days.

223251 Julian, replying to Julian, 15, #970 of 2281 🔗


COVID Test-Trace is no longer possible in Germany, there are too many cases, says Merkel: “We no longer know where 75% of infections come from. We can no longer say that a particular sector does not contribute to infections at all”

Something to bear in mind next time people tell you how Germany got it right…

223486 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Julian, #971 of 2281 🔗

T and T has clearly only a rolenin very controlled environments. Labours idea that bringing it under government control will solve everything is so see through its almost laughable.

223544 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Julian, #972 of 2281 🔗

Laughable, isn’t it? ”Infections” – as if this means bodies in the streets, overflowing morgues, overwhelmed hospitals. No – just healthy people stupid enough to get tested voluntarily.
If that – because these figures could be plucked from air to suit each day’s narrative. We don’t know they’re genuine.

223260 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 8, #973 of 2281 🔗

Any takers on a bet that lockdown won’t be lifted until Easter 21?

223266 ▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to Smelly Melly, 7, #974 of 2281 🔗

I don’t think it will ever be, if they have their way. It’s up to we, the people to ensure that it ends. Which is why the number of people wearing useless, humiliating masks is so incredibly frustrating.

223317 ▶▶▶ Kev, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 5, #975 of 2281 🔗

Not many would wear them without the enforcement and risk of fines, many people just like to be seen to be doing the right thing.

It takes a police state to enforce these draconian rules. I do wonder how many police know anything about the Nuremberg trials?

When people have nothing left to lose, thats when things will change.

223535 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Kev, 3, #976 of 2281 🔗

Of course, you’re right, Kev. It’s the fines that are preventing people from standing up to this madness. We can expect pub owners and restaurateurs to defy it either – how could they afford the kind of fines that would be inflicted upon them? Many have already beggared themselves in an attempt to obey the ”roolz” – and all in vain, it seems.

It is so obvious this is no longer about a virus.

223522 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, #977 of 2281 🔗

Do sign the petition. It’s growing so suspiciously slowly. We know it won’t make any difference – but it will allow us to see that we’re not alone.

223271 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Smelly Melly, 6, #978 of 2281 🔗

Depends what you mean by lockdown. In my book, lockdown has been in place since March and will continue until every single law and SI related to it is removed/lapsed/not renewed.

By my definition, by Easter things will certainly not be back to normal. Probably not in my lifetime.

If you mean the current England “tier 4” phase due to start Thursday, it will be lifted/modified at various points between now and Easter, so that the frogs don’t notice how close we are to boiling point.

223369 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Julian, 1, #979 of 2281 🔗

Nope, no end in sight. And it will only get worse when the “vaccine” ID comes out.

223281 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Smelly Melly, 5, #980 of 2281 🔗

I personally expect them to lift it for a few days over Christmas. As someone has said on here recently the equivalent of giving a dog a bone. then lock us back down right through the winter.

223284 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to JHuntz, 5, #981 of 2281 🔗

They’ll lift it for Christmas, juke the stats, blame us for breaking the rules, and lockdown even harder.

223261 Hoppy Uniatz, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 12, #982 of 2281 🔗

Letter posted to my MP, 1st class signed for, “Now that the WHO have spoken out against lockdowns, please can you assure me that you are doing everything in your power to resist the proposed lockdown which will do untold damage to lives and businesses.”

She’s never voted against Keir Starmer in her life, so it’s more in the nature of satire, really.

223276 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 2, #983 of 2281 🔗

My MP’s researcher corrected my wife on the WHO point re. lockdowns, saying the WHO actually said they should not be the PRIMARY means of controlling the virus. Massive difference there, obviously…

223265 Arnie, replying to Arnie, 21, #984 of 2281 🔗

But the daily rolling death rate is the same as the five year average?

There are ZERO excess deaths!

Flu & pneumonia have gone down 97%. Covid has gone up by an equal corresponding amount.

Anybody smell a rat?

223325 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Arnie, 3, #985 of 2281 🔗

I’m smelling an entire stinking rat nest.

223431 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Arnie, 1, #986 of 2281 🔗

Yes – a RAT. A Race Against Time. ”Keep ’em down and controlled just until we can roll out the vaccine – don’t let them out too soon or they’ll get over-confident… Keep churning out the false figures…”

223267 BTLnewbie, replying to BTLnewbie, 9, #987 of 2281 🔗

There has been too much about the ineffectiveness of masks and too little about the downsides of wearing them.

Here are two papers which (to my untrained eye) look balanced and well-researched, and which should give mask-wearers pause for thought:

My argument for my medical exemption is that I am particularly vulnerable to lung infection and don’t wear a mask because I don’t wish to be a burden to the NHS in the future.

223283 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to BTLnewbie, 1, #988 of 2281 🔗

Me too. All true.

223355 ▶▶ annie, replying to BTLnewbie, 3, #989 of 2281 🔗

I have an elderly friend who suffers from periodic vertigo and permanent asthma.
She wears cloth masks religiously, ignoring all attempts at dissuasion.
Now she’s in hospital after a bad vertigo attack and a suspected stroke.
And thanks to Josef Stalin Dungford, I can’t even buy a get-well card to send her.

223424 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to BTLnewbie, #990 of 2281 🔗
223268 Smelly Melly, 7, #991 of 2281 🔗

I understand that deaths in Sweden of C19 have gone up from negligible to insignificant.

223269 smileymiley, 1, #992 of 2281 🔗
223270 jhfreedom, replying to jhfreedom, 13, #993 of 2281 🔗

Latest from Captain Tom:


I think he’s completely confused duty with slavery.

Cruel that the media and government have co-opted him for their evil purposes.

223338 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to jhfreedom, 3, #994 of 2281 🔗

Are any of his children NHS Nutter types? They might be manipulating him.

223604 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to OKUK, #995 of 2281 🔗

Manipulating an old man to walk up and down his garden for a month and then watch him pretend to know that he is talking to Lewis Hamilton and then sing a song with Michael ball. Nah surely not……

223343 ▶▶ annie, replying to jhfreedom, 6, #996 of 2281 🔗

He was always a stupid git.
Good intentions son’t stop you from being a stupid git.

223422 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to annie, 3, #997 of 2281 🔗

Yes – I always wondered why a man like him wouldn’t be directing his efforts to helping the British Legion. A much more worthwhile organisation.

223648 ▶▶▶ Matt The Cat, replying to annie, #998 of 2281 🔗

Agreed. A shallow bore and a class “A” twat.

223489 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to jhfreedom, 1, #999 of 2281 🔗

on a lighter note

223537 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to jhfreedom, 2, #1000 of 2281 🔗

Silly me, I never realised I could earn a livelihood walking around the fucking garden

223272 Just about sane, replying to Just about sane, 13, #1001 of 2281 🔗

First time posting. I am so angry and upset, it’s all I ever feel now. However today’s ‘leak’ in Scotland from the BBC website

Scotland’s first minister says she faces a “dilemma” over whether a national lockdown should be imposed while furlough support is available.
Nicola Sturgeon said she was seeking “absolute clarity” from the Treasury as to whether financial support was only available while England is locked down.
A new five-level system of measures came into force in Scotland on Monday.
Ms Sturgeon said a decision on whether to go further within days may depend on how long furlough funding is available.
Scottish Conservative leader Douglas Ross has also called for the UK government to “commit to extending furlough if Scotland needs to go into lockdown”.”

She faces a dilemma, really? A dilemma whether to put us back under house arrest, a dilemma that the Scottish government can get even more money from the pot in England? A dilemma because Scotlands cases are going DOWN. That’s the only dilemma she has, our cases are going down, BEFORE the tiers came into effect. So why would she even consider closing more businessess and putting the entire country under house arrest.

I’ve been watching the figures for my area and they leveled off about a week ago and now they are going down.

I am grateful to find this site and that I’m not the only one against lockdowns and masks.

223316 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Just about sane, 4, #1002 of 2281 🔗

If she goes for lockdown then it will be clear to all that the lockdown is not about saving lives or reducing infection but purely about money. I’m amazed she even said it.

223318 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Just about sane, 3, #1003 of 2281 🔗

Hello and welcome. 🙋

223326 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Just about sane, 2, #1004 of 2281 🔗

Keep staying just about sane!

223336 ▶▶ annie, replying to Just about sane, 3, #1005 of 2281 🔗

Not rge in,t ine?
Wekcome among the crowd!
We will live to see Sturgeon in the criminal looney bin where she belongs.

223341 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Just about sane, 2, #1006 of 2281 🔗

Welcome to the sanehouse.

223640 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 2, #1007 of 2281 🔗

Sane? I have been a looney tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist for years.

223376 ▶▶ alison, replying to Just about sane, 3, #1008 of 2281 🔗

This is not a dilemma. This is a travesty. How dare she even make such remarks publicly. She is considering a lockdown, not remotely justified by the figures, in order to get access to tax payer money which she does not need, and will shut the country down to get said cash. Apparently thinks the harm to mental health, loss of services, harm to family life, prevention of religious worship, all A okay as long as she gets the same furlough money as England. What is she on, can she even hear herself?

223496 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to alison, 2, #1009 of 2281 🔗

She is like a fruit machine, all i can see is the jackpot cherries spinning in her eyes, kerching, kerching, kerching. A two armed bandit

223420 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Just about sane, #1010 of 2281 🔗

Sign the petition against muzzles.
It’s growing suspiciously slowly.

224421 ▶▶▶ Just about sane, replying to Banjones, #1011 of 2281 🔗

This one is for England if there is one for Scotland I would definitely sign it. I don’t want to give any excuses to discount my vote because I don’t live in England.

223519 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Just about sane, 1, #1012 of 2281 🔗

This must be dumb remark number 106,342, made by a politician this year

223637 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Just about sane, 1, #1013 of 2281 🔗


223273 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 25, #1014 of 2281 🔗

Shops in East London are putting the Magna Carta 61 rule in their shop windows and staying open, as that law still stands today.
That man shall be free!

223278 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 22, #1015 of 2281 🔗


223324 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1016 of 2281 🔗


223332 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Cheezilla, 9, #1017 of 2281 🔗

Please oh please remove the grocer’s apostrophe.
No need to cause people like me unnecessary suffering!

223407 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to annie, 1, #1018 of 2281 🔗


223406 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Cheezilla, #1019 of 2281 🔗

Has the queen been advised of this action? She might have a quiet word with her government.

223280 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1020 of 2281 🔗

Nice one.

223362 ▶▶ Mrs S, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1021 of 2281 🔗

Does anyone have a photo of that? Would be great to distribute and encourage others.

223368 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1022 of 2281 🔗

And then they will find out the actual truth when they are shut down and locked up under express parliamentary statutes – which are the absolute authority in the UK.

Some people really shouldn’t be allowed near legal text books.

223401 ▶▶▶ Mrs S, replying to Lucan Grey, #1023 of 2281 🔗

Magna Carta not helpful, then?

223417 ▶▶▶▶ dickyboy, replying to Mrs S, 1, #1024 of 2281 🔗

I am afraid she died in vain.

223415 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Lucan Grey, 3, #1025 of 2281 🔗

It’s the spirit of the people doing it we should admire – whether or not it’s an immutable law.

223515 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Banjones, 2, #1026 of 2281 🔗

Yes, It’s about making the stand

223387 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Cheezilla, #1027 of 2281 🔗

The more the better.

223416 ▶▶ dickyboy, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1028 of 2281 🔗

its a nice try, but futile.

from https://www.parliament.uk/about/living-heritage/evolutionofparliament/originsofparliament/birthofparliament/overview/magnacarta/magnacartaclauses/

Only four of the 63 clauses in Magna Carta are still valid today – 1 (part), 13, 39 and 40. Of enduring importance to people appealing to the charter over the last 800 years are the famous clauses 39 and 40:

“No free man shall be seized, imprisoned, dispossessed, outlawed, exiled or ruined in any way, nor in any way proceeded against, except by the lawful judgement of his peers and the law of the land.

“To no one will we sell, to no one will we deny or delay right or justice.”

223511 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to dickyboy, 1, #1029 of 2281 🔗

It’s not futile if it focuses more attention to their plight and that lockdowns destroy lives.

223275 mhcp, 4, #1030 of 2281 🔗

If you haven’t watched it, watch Kristi Noem’s talk, especially the Q&A. She talks about removing the emotion from the decisions.

So many great quotes.

223282 Zak Thelotofem, 2, #1031 of 2281 🔗

BBC funding makes interesting reading!


223289 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 24, #1032 of 2281 🔗

What happened to all the live every day like it’s your last, dance like nobody is watching bollocks.

Seems to me the nation has turned into a nation of cowardly custards…

Now it’s live every day like it’s your last but make sure you wear a gimp mask and stand 6 foot away from me you murdering disease-ridden bastard.

223292 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to stefarm, 6, #1033 of 2281 🔗

Just another example of how people tell themselves whatever will make them feel better. Beliefs or principles are largely window dressing save for a minority of people I know

223299 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #1034 of 2281 🔗

Agreed, their whole lives are just a performance.

223327 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1035 of 2281 🔗

Being terrified of the very air they breathe makes them feel better ?

223361 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to annie, 5, #1036 of 2281 🔗

I reckon for some of the happy muzzlers, this is the most exciting thing that’s ever happened to them in all their very narrow and limited lives. It’s what passes for drama in their murky little world.

223297 ▶▶ Liam, replying to stefarm, 16, #1037 of 2281 🔗

Yes. It’s like when you see “be kind”, or “love wins” on somebody’s profile. It’s a dead giveaway that the person is a vicious, selfish, spiteful git.

223391 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Liam, 3, #1038 of 2281 🔗

Or they paint it on their living room wall, just to keep reminding them

223645 ▶▶▶▶ Matt The Cat, replying to stefarm, 3, #1039 of 2281 🔗

“Live, Love, Laugh”.

Always a bad sign if you see that one!

223901 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Liam, #1040 of 2281 🔗

“Graduate from the school of hard knocks”

Sells Avon

223329 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to stefarm, 2, #1041 of 2281 🔗

Yep. It’s my last day. Don’t let my relatives anywhere near me. I might catch a cold.

223366 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to OKUK, #1042 of 2281 🔗

Oh dear. Yes. But the reality is for most elderly ones, no risk is too great to take to be able to be with their loved ones. And most, I’d guess, don’t even think it IS ”a risk” – the elderly are far more pragmatic than the young snowflakes.

223447 ▶▶ Emily Tock, replying to stefarm, 2, #1043 of 2281 🔗

Ugh, my mother posted a pic of some store that had gone to a lot of trouble to paint a parody of Freddy Mercury on their front window: Your maskless face is a big disgrace, spreading your germs all over the place.’ I’m offended on his behalf, and from my own mother! Was it just as much of a ‘disgrace’ to spread flu, cold, and vomiting bug germs all over the place? Now instead of ‘othering’ people like Mercury, we’re ‘otheing’ the whole f’ing human race. Absolutely no insight as to where this is all headed.

223380 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 3, #1045 of 2281 🔗

Tip of the iceberg. He’s been very busy since 2011

WHO – 4.3 Billion, Imperial College – 280 Million, Oxford University – 243 Million, Prof. Chris Wittey – 40 Million, BBC Media Action – 53 Million, CDC – 155 Million, GAVI – 3 Billion, Johns Hopkins – 870 Million, NIH (Fauci) – 18 Million

223451 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to PastImperfect, #1046 of 2281 🔗

Since at least the year 2000 They have been planning this…

Planning Pandemics!

223293 Ricky R, replying to Ricky R, 7, #1047 of 2281 🔗

300,000 signatures to close the schools. I thought that there was at least some sanity in the government with schools being kept open. I’m now expecting a u-turn by at least the middle of November. Losing hope day by day.

223321 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Ricky R, 2, #1048 of 2281 🔗

But no petition to keep them open….

223322 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Ricky R, 2, #1049 of 2281 🔗

No reason to. The revolt has only just reached the parliamentary level,and it is growing day by day.

223331 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Ricky R, 6, #1050 of 2281 🔗

I think part of the problem is that a lot of the people who support lockdowns and want to close schools are politically active petition-signers, tweeters etc and a lot of people who oppose lockdown are busy working or trying to have fun

223353 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Julian, 1, #1051 of 2281 🔗

Yes indeed – happily taking public money for doing nothing.
Nothing to do with fear of the virus, or the well being of children (because we know children are not at risk – as do these self-serving twerps).

223359 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Ricky R, 4, #1052 of 2281 🔗

Do these teachers not realise home schooling done via the internet and delivered by AI bots is the future, they are too stupid to see they are doing themselves out of a job and a career.

Oh, it’s ok, we will all be employed as Amazon delivery drivers

223471 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to stefarm, 1, #1053 of 2281 🔗

Until Amazon uses the new technologies (drones for example) to deliver.

223639 ▶▶▶ Matt The Cat, replying to stefarm, #1054 of 2281 🔗

Hang on, I thought we were all going to be insulating lofts or something like that?

223732 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Matt The Cat, #1055 of 2281 🔗

Nah, wind farmers

223364 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Ricky R, 2, #1056 of 2281 🔗

I will laugh so hard when these “WFH” loving teachers get replaced by internet education.

223404 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to DRW, #1057 of 2281 🔗

Do we know the signatures are mainly teachers or are these hysterical parents and/or interfering union-types swelling the ranks? I have a handful of friends who are teachers and they are desperate for schools to stay open – for their own sanity and because they care about their pupils.

223501 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Charlie Blue, #1058 of 2281 🔗

I suspect the union types, not just NUT but across the board. There’s more than enough of them. We have a few teacher friends, they’d fight to keep them open. I know one though, who’ll make any amount of trouble to get out of work.

223448 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Ricky R, #1059 of 2281 🔗

Maybe a petition that if schools close ‘No work, no pay’ for teachers

223302 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 3, #1060 of 2281 🔗

Mexico is the best example of the distortion of case data because of the rate of testing. Mexico with 139 million people. They have had 930. 000 official cases and 92000 deaths of C-19. But they test only 18000 people per million(157 in the world league less than Mauritania).What numbers would they have if they had tested like UK which tests 27 times more? 27 million cases and the lead in the world. Naturally, you can’t assume the exact same spread in both countries but they should have had many million more cases. If you go for IFR 0,02% and herd immunity 60% they should have 166 800 deaths and with 40 % 111 200 deaths. They are quite close with the current deaths and might soon reach herd immunity.

223309 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to swedenborg, 2, #1061 of 2281 🔗

You know it’s bad when our Govts COVID response is more corrupt than Mexico…

223574 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, #1062 of 2281 🔗

And yet they’ve consigned millions of their own population to extreme poverty via lockdown.

223306 nocheesegromit, replying to nocheesegromit, 3, #1063 of 2281 🔗

Just created a petition to publish the dossier: http://chng.it/XdkLqrCRR5

Please sign – I’ll send to the email address too.

223382 ▶▶ Jo, replying to nocheesegromit, #1064 of 2281 🔗

Done and shared

223440 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Jo, #1065 of 2281 🔗

Great work – again – NCG!
I am hoping (probably futile) that one MP, at least, finds the backbone to pin Bozo down over this in the Commons this afternoon. I wrote to highlight this, among other things, to my MP this morning – she is a sceptic, but no idea whether she’s got the insight or guts to make a fuss.

223307 JHuntz, replying to JHuntz, 3, #1066 of 2281 🔗

The First Minister admitted they are now facing a “dilemma”, with furlough only set to be available for Scots if the country goes into a full-scale lockdown.”

And why is that? Why can’t the bullshit tier system stay in place with lockdown of the ‘higher’ ‘at risk’ regions. Why do we need to spend taxpayers money and stop the economy in areas with minimal ‘infections’?

“The potential benefit of that would be suppressing the virus further and faster, at a time when financial support is available, and possibly, I don’t want to overstate this, but possibly opening up a bit more breathing space over the Christmas period .”

Yes, the throw the dog a bone theory appears again.

223491 ▶▶ kf99, replying to JHuntz, #1067 of 2281 🔗

Sunak sticks to his guns and furlough ends 2 Dec. Meanwhile Drakeford and Sturgeon have jumped on bandwagon and just started lockdowns and can’t stop them without looking stupid. Pre-xmas run-up saved in England, but screwed up in Wales/Scotland. England stats massaged accordingly.

Westminster 1 Devolved leaders 0.

223312 Not Tiger Woods, 10, #1068 of 2281 🔗

Sample email sent to my MP (Labour) who has been on TV moaning about the Government, but will absolutely stand by them & support lockdown…:-

Good morning,

I felt obligated to write to you, though after having seen your appearances in the press the last few days I suspect it will make little difference, it looks like your mind is made up to either abstain, or to vote for more totalitarian lockdown measures that are destined to destroy the lives of poor, vulnerable, disabled, isolated, and hard-working people.

We know for sure that there have been over 25,000 excess deaths in homes the last few months, probably this is just the tip of the iceberg seeing as the Government has told people it is apparently not possible at this moment to publish confirmed suicide figures. Charities are saying that figure could very easily amount to tens of thousands.
Lockdown measures have already previously been estimated to kill in excess of 200,000 (source: DHSC ONS & Gov Actuary’s Dept of the Home Office report) and food bank networks have already some time ago this year, predicted the number of people additionally driven to desolation in the run up to Xmas, to be in the region of 700,000.

These above figures are not based on models conjured up out of thin air. Death and destruction is absolutely guaranteed far and wide, any potential mitigation of the impact of covid-19 is nothing but speculative, – have the Government shown anywhere, how many lives were saved by locking people completely away in March? can they produce even ONE person and have them say ‘lockdown definitely saved my life?’

So, the NHS ‘might’ be overwhelmed… I hear you say. I submit that this is not a new phenomenon. It was not in danger of being overwhelmed in March-April, it is not in danger of being overwhelmed now, particularly as extra funding has been made available, and we are in a much better position with knowledge and treatments for covid-19. I will not post weblinks but the following are exact verbatim headlines, and are freely available for viewing on the various websites, news & periodical repositories, and video sharing platforms.

BBC News, 7th January 2017: “NHS rejects claims of ‘humanitarian crisis’ in England’s hospitals”
The Guardian, 11th January 2017: “20 Hospitals declare black alert as patient safety no longer assured”
The Daily Mail, 3rd January 2018: “Winter crisis cripples NHS”
The Daily Express, 8th January 2018: “Britain in grip of Killer Flu”

** [yada yada, I had listed some more examples, but have removed some links here for brevity] **

The difference in the future will be that there will be nobody left to pay for the NHS, so there will be literally no NHS to save – despite the fact that there have been NO EXCESS in respiratory deaths since July!

The Government will undoubtedly go down in history as incompetent, destructive, and dare I say just plain evil. Leaving frail, elderly and vulnerable people to die in isolation will never, ever be forgotten. Destroying the mental health of millions, robbing young people of crucial development time, interaction, and harming their futures completely & irrevocably will never, ever be forgotten – make no mistake, those who enabled and collaborated to make it happen will never ever be forgotten either.

Your esteemed Leader Sir Keir will no doubt have a bright future – his Trilateral Commission membership will see to that. I suspect there will not be much room on his coattails. If you vote to lock down again, and condemn millions to economic destruction & years if not an absolute lifetime of poverty, – ask yourself in your heart of hearts, do you honestly believe you should be expected to keep your job as a representative of the many, and not the few? Are our elected representatives fit for purpose, or merely surplus to requirements?
The Trilateral Co. bit is probably a cheap shot, but sod it – if only to show our MPs the strength of feeling .. if it makes someone even an office lackey engage their brain and think for 5 minutes, then it’s probably worth it.

223315 Lms23, replying to Lms23, 13, #1069 of 2281 🔗

From Unredacted, which has just completed an online poll:

“We asked thousands of people whether they would support a new national COVID lockdown.

This week, Boris Johnson introduced a new law preventing groups of more than six from meeting up. Some people now think this could result in a new national lockdown.

The results are in…

39,566 people completed the poll.

42.4% (17,499) of people DO support a new national lockdown.
55.8% (22,067) of people DO NOT support a new national lockdown.”

This was conducted several weeks ago, but is totally different from YouGov. It doesn’t ask any leading questions, or try to frame the question at all. I have no idea if or how the respondents might be weighted.

223335 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Lms23, 5, #1070 of 2281 🔗

I have never met ANYONE who is in favour of any lockdown, let alone a national one. I wonder where they find these respondents. Another part of the question should always be: ”Are you employed by the local authority?” We can then assume they are smugly comfortable taking public money for doing nothing.

223365 ▶▶▶ alison, replying to Banjones, 4, #1071 of 2281 🔗

Even amongst those who work in public services, education or those otherwise not financially affected, support far from unanimous. I work in public sector and been working throughout, my closest family are not having income affected right now, my parents are retired and financially secure. We’re all completely against lockdown. There are lots of public sector employees who oppose this (Not the unions sadly, am not in one as cannot bear their nonsense even at the best of times).

223323 Banjones, 4, #1072 of 2281 🔗

Many of these figures we’re seeing don’t even make sense if they’re continually called ”cases” when in fact they’re not, but only (dodgy) results from healthy people who are daft enough to take the test. Even if they’re genuine – which I’m beginning to doubt.

As for suggesting that numbers of deaths were ‘covid deaths’ rather than making it clear that they were simply from people testing positive in hospital OR sometime in the 28 days before – well. It’s depressing how gullible many people are, that they should believe this manipulative guff.

223339 Hairy Bob, replying to Hairy Bob, 16, #1073 of 2281 🔗

I seriously believe my daughter, aged 21 and has just seen her future career destroyed, is on the brink of suicide or at least severe self harm as she cannot face the thought of being locked down indefinitely over the winyer.. She cannot get any actual help from “Our NHS” . Is that reason enough to leave the UK under the legislation coming into effect on 5 November?

223352 ▶▶ Gerry Mandarin, replying to Hairy Bob, 5, #1074 of 2281 🔗

Better to leave in the air on a plane than as smoke. I have a daughter just about to turn 21, Life also being screwed over. Hope your daughter finds a good path to follow soon.

223413 ▶▶ Emily Tock, replying to Hairy Bob, 7, #1075 of 2281 🔗

I’m sorry your daughter is suffering. I’ve got three young adult boys who are in various stages of depression over the nosedive their prospects of any kind of happy life have taken. Honestly, if it weren’t for them, I don’t know if my fellow-skeptic husband and I would find any meaning in life …

223439 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Hairy Bob, 8, #1076 of 2281 🔗


If no care from the NHS, there are a few things she can do:

223525 ▶▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Victoria, 5, #1077 of 2281 🔗

Hard when the stress of seeing your country reduced to this. I’m older than I would like and am disgusted at the collaborators driving this hysteria. If we all refused to comply this would have to end.

223513 ▶▶ JulieR, replying to Hairy Bob, 1, #1078 of 2281 🔗

Do what’s you think is best. You can always say you are traveling for business. I am sure nobody will check anything.

223722 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Hairy Bob, #1079 of 2281 🔗

I am so sorry — one of my daughters struggled with self-harm and other issues so I understand what you’re going through. I hope she is not living alone. Private options would be costly, but worth considering. I concur with others that if leaving the UK is best for her mental health, then just do it.

223342 Kev, replying to Kev, 14, #1080 of 2281 🔗

Lockdowns do work, they work very well.

If your intention is to destroy economies, jobs, livelihoods, society, prospects and lives.

223438 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Kev, 1, #1081 of 2281 🔗

Yep… That’s one of the MAIN GOALS!

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all those intentions will result in FUTURE DEATHS… not linked to Them or to Their OPERATION COVID! Brilliant Plan.

223344 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 11, #1082 of 2281 🔗

Here is a link for Two-Six and anyone else of most of the FOI requests, answers, appeals, correspondence with councils, BMA etc:


I have redacted as much of my personal data as I could from them so feel free to use them.

Enjoy reading them, some juicy bits in the middle of the answers that were quite unexpected.

I am awaiting answers from the devolved assemblies, the NIA called me and told me verbally they hold no evidence to justify any local restrictions and passed it on to the health department to double check.

I also sent letters to council leaders , first ministers, health ministers etc and not one has even acknowledged the correspondence let amone attempted to answer any of it.

Happy causing trouble with them.

Let me know if it doesn’t work.

223568 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Awkward Git, #1083 of 2281 🔗

Great stuff. I’ve been annoying my local rep with details on PCR so will follow up using some of this

223605 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Awkward Git, #1084 of 2281 🔗

Thanks AG. WOW that’s quite a repository there…phew Good job.

223871 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Two-Six, #1085 of 2281 🔗

Use it to best effect and stick it to them.

They don’t like it up ’em.

223872 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Two-Six, #1086 of 2281 🔗

Glad the link worked, still learning this cloud shit.

223345 Julian, replying to Julian, 6, #1087 of 2281 🔗

Live feed coming from the Telegraph at 3.30

“Boris Johnson will tell MPs the national lockdown could extend beyond December 2 amid growing unrest about the restrictions among ministers and Tory MPs.”

223449 ▶▶ JulieR, replying to Julian, 1, #1088 of 2281 🔗

Dies it mean the more unrest the longer the lockdown? To punish us?

223453 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Julian, 2, #1089 of 2281 🔗

He’s a bog standard dictator. Thinks the solution to every problem is a show of strength.

223348 calchas, replying to calchas, 2, #1090 of 2281 🔗


Check this table out to see how absurdly low China’s covid statistics are outside of Hubei.
1, 340 000 000 (1.3 billion) people in China live outside of Hubei province.

Officia covid deaths – 234

223427 ▶▶ JulieR, replying to calchas, 1, #1091 of 2281 🔗

One of my friends is working in China as a teacher. She told our mutual friend last week that someone who was diagnosed with tuberculosis tested positive for Covid recently. Then the whole city of 8 million people were tested in one week, 4 positive tests. Those 4 people were isolated.
It is difficult to believe but the friend said she was impressed how efficient everything was.
I bet they don’t do 45 cycles of PCR.

223429 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to calchas, 1, #1092 of 2281 🔗

In reality we have ZERO COVID deaths…

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This is a very good SCAM!

223563 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Voz 0db, #1093 of 2281 🔗

You’ve posted this before. What are we looking at?

224043 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1094 of 2281 🔗

How a SCAM is used to pretend moron slaves are “positive” for RNA “SARS-CoV-2”

Those are the different test being approved and used in the beginning of the OPERATION.

What that simple matrix shows is that for ANY SNOT SAMPLE one can have a “negative” PCR if a previous “positive” was achieved.

So… in short we can have ZERO “SARS-CoV-2” samples, meaning ZERO COVID-19 cases!

PCR is not a test. But clearly no one cares…

223470 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to calchas, #1095 of 2281 🔗

It’s definitely the masks that done it

223350 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #1096 of 2281 🔗

Found these at B&M today, think a complaint is in order.

Until now it’s been a bastion of almost normality but this is too much..

223561 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Awkward Git, #1097 of 2281 🔗

Insane. Stick it on your head then on your face. Remember the argument that masks work because why else would doctors in theatre wear them?

Do you think they are using it as a bandana on the way home too?

223933 ▶▶▶ James Bertram, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1098 of 2281 🔗

Probably use it to wipe their arse as well.

223356 Mutineer, replying to Mutineer, 21, #1099 of 2281 🔗

I cannot understand why anyone believes the lies from the Government. Locally, people are lapping it up, asking to be Marshals etc and generally buying into this lunacy The same people are stripping the supermarket shelves, taking delivery slots and leaving the very people they say they are protecting – the elderly- frantic with worry about how they will survive.

223392 ▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to Mutineer, 4, #1100 of 2281 🔗

It seems to be an unholy alliance of the BBC and Guardian columnists together with Tories who the former two previously called ‘right wing’. It’s a pathetic spectacle.

223411 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Mutineer, 1, #1101 of 2281 🔗

easily led. pathetic

223468 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Mutineer, 1, #1102 of 2281 🔗

2020 is really a jobsworths wet dream

223357 DRW, replying to DRW, 10, #1103 of 2281 🔗

Afternoon all, I owe an explaination for my pessimism.

We all bring our experiences here and I have been burned by a bad experience working in government, and now a similarly poor one in academia which have now made me very negatively inclined, everything just feels pointless now. Plus personal circumstances with my very sick mum have gotten me down anyway, and this background shit all feels like knife twisting.

Plus the little I see of the outside world isn’t great, normality is growing ever distant and the flocks of sheep follow every diktat. That doesn’t mean they’re all bought in, but compliance is still very high. And it’s because of that they think they can get away with another full lockdown, another step on the road to the dark future that awaits.

I don’t have anything against optimism and do enjoy hearing those views, as I asked for last night. But it is getting harder and harder to believe them.

223373 ▶▶ calchas, replying to DRW, 4, #1104 of 2281 🔗

There were those in Salem in 1692-3 who thought it would go on for ever too.

It didn’t.

223454 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to calchas, #1105 of 2281 🔗

Unfortunately, Salem came at the end of a 200 year period of persecutions.
Though I get your point.

223377 ▶▶ Julian, replying to DRW, 3, #1106 of 2281 🔗

I think the case for optimism is plausible but not certain. I can’t offer anything better than that, except to say that what keeps me going is talking to people close to me who think like I do, and trying to do as many of the things that I enjoy that are still available. Lots of things have been taken away, but I still enjoy a good meal and a nice bottle of wine, a good book or film, music, walking, running or cycling in nature, and the simple acts of washing, shaving and putting on clean clothes at the start of the day. All pretty corny, but thankfully my psyche chooses that path over anything darker.

223465 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Julian, 4, #1107 of 2281 🔗

For me, it’s the extinguishing of ‘possibilities’ that’s the problem. Sure, I would never get round to doing 99% of the things I might daydream about (build a house, travel, restore a vintage car etc.), but I might do 1% of them. This bunch of evil/thick tw*ts have put in doubt any such possibilities – it just isn’t worth the risk of dreaming about anything – and I think that will still be true even if/when the magic vaccine arrives. It has been demonstrated that the foundations of our lives can be taken away from under us at any time, and I can’t see us ever getting over that.

And, deep down, I don’t even think it ever was about a virus. Looking at my short list of dreams above, I can see that under the Great Reset, I won’t be allowed to do any of them! All of them are 180 degrees opposed to the plans they have in store for us.

223484 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Barney McGrew, #1108 of 2281 🔗

Yes, all of that.

If we can we should try to stay healthy and I won’t say happy because that’s not appropriate and too hard but we should look after our mental health for when this ends

223402 ▶▶ stewart, replying to DRW, 3, #1109 of 2281 🔗

Think WWI.
We’re in the middle of 1916.
It will end, but there will be more suffering. A lot more.

223479 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to stewart, 2, #1110 of 2281 🔗

No were are not we are in March 1915

More soldiers died between August and Christmas 1914 than the rest of the war put together

Gallipoli. The Somme, and Passchendaele are yet to come

223379 The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 60, #1111 of 2281 🔗

Why are people not absolutely furious with the government by this point. Seven months, and counting, of this nightmare. Is that not enough for them? We are literally PAYING them to order us about and by so doing, RUINING our lives? It’s tragically pathetic the way people refer to our disgusting, obese, philandering and thoroughly selfish PM as ‘Boris’ as if he’s their best mate. Why respect this silly, pathetic coward?

How dare they say that they may not ‘allow’ us permission to see our family or friends at Christmas. How the fuck is it up to them or weirdos such as Chris Whitty or Neil Ferguson? And all over a virus that’s oh-so-deadly that they are PAYING people to be tested for it.

We are in a deeply, deeply dangerous place now, ruled by people who so obviously do not give a shit about ANY of us.

I have moments of sheer rage where I just can’t speak to anybody else for hours. Enough is enough.

You really struggle to put it into words sometimes, don’t you.

223388 ▶▶ ambwozere, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 18, #1112 of 2281 🔗

Feeling the anger but a lot of people still believe and I think aren’t quite as angry as those of us who saw the light early on.

I’ve snapped at so many people today and it’s only Monday. Especially the idiots who keep telling me to “Stay Safe”

223409 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to ambwozere, 14, #1113 of 2281 🔗

“Stay Safe”

Agree. That is like a red rag to a bull

223421 ▶▶▶▶ Biggles, replying to Victoria, 7, #1114 of 2281 🔗

Same here, just had that on an email I received a couple of minutes ago. He’s in more danger of me thumping him than Covid.

223410 ▶▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to ambwozere, 9, #1115 of 2281 🔗

I suppose it’s maybe harder for us. I’ve been against it since the start so maybe I’ve had that much longer for the anger inside me to continue to escalate.

‘Stay safe’. Oh, F*CK OFF.

223598 ▶▶▶ Matt The Cat, replying to ambwozere, 6, #1116 of 2281 🔗

“Stay Safe” – The New “Sieg Heil”.

223744 ▶▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Matt The Cat, 1, #1117 of 2281 🔗

Heil Hancock!

223390 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 10, #1118 of 2281 🔗

Exactly. That’s what I keep wondering, where’s the bloody anger. It’s the people who know it’s bollocks but who go through the motions with their wretched masks that infuriate me the most.

With regards to Alexander Johnson, I suppose we all now know how his past partners felt.

223435 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to kh1485, 6, #1119 of 2281 🔗

Where is the anger? The anger is latent for now.
There is still huge, utterly irrational fear. I’m hearing people saying they are now more afraid than they were in the “first wave”.
When that subsides and the dam bursts, the anger will be volcanic.

223493 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 5, #1120 of 2281 🔗

I hope you are right. But I wish they would get a bloody move on.

223403 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 12, #1121 of 2281 🔗

Three things come to mind:


  • are easily led – incapable of questioning / standing up for their rights
  • are illiterate re the economy and money
  • are paid off – receive money from the Government (short term gain)
223428 ▶▶ Julian, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 7, #1122 of 2281 🔗

I think there are more “ordinary” people out there who now know this is BS than we might think from looking at MSM and social media. Certainly that has been my experience. Trouble is that they seem more likley to be politically not very active, and the pro-lockdown people seem to come from a strand of society that is very good at making their views known and exerting influence.

223446 ▶▶▶ Kev, replying to Julian, 5, #1123 of 2281 🔗

Maybe the Brexit party becoming the anti-lockdown Reform UK might act as a rallying point for people.The best they can expect is to take votes and win seats at the next local elections, unless they get cancelled of course.

It has to start somewhere, might even get some disgruntled Tory MPs to defect.

223526 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Julian, 6, #1124 of 2281 🔗

Definitely true, especially compared to the first lockdown. There aren’t as many zealots about now (although those remaining are extremely committed). I think the bulk of the population are just putting up with it as best they can for an easy life – infuriating though that is to us.

223433 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 29, #1125 of 2281 🔗

I was at a pub yesterday for a final hurrah before the Lockdown.We came out as a young family comes to the door and the parents madk up.The mum then bends down and puts a mask on their 4 year old boy!! I actually said out aloud What is wrong with you?Have you gone insane.He is afucking child..I’m am now the crazy man that shouts on the high street. Had a massive row with my wife and the Sunday was ruined. I can’t hold it back anymore, I’m done being polite, keeping my mouth shut and keeping distance..Fuck them ,they destroyed us as an society and as human beings.

223452 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Thomas_E, 6, #1126 of 2281 🔗

Good man

223659 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Thomas_E, 8, #1127 of 2281 🔗

I’m at that stage now where I’m literally storming into shops without a mask and behaving almost arrogantly to counteract the stares I get. I’m becoming deranged.

A single bacteria cell measures 2 micrometers or 1/40th of the width of a hair. A virus is too small to even be measured in micrometers so it’s nanometers. These pathogens are inordinately small and the loose fit of masks mean they get out through the mask, above it, below it and our of the sides!! People are constantly touching, pulling the things up and down.

224422 ▶▶▶ DomW, replying to Thomas_E, #1128 of 2281 🔗

Your response was proportionate and appropriate. Well done

223618 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 2, #1129 of 2281 🔗

Like someone else said earlier we should stop calling him Boris. No other country does this first name thing. We should call him Boris Johnson or the Prime Minister.

223753 ▶▶▶ djc, replying to Marialta, #1130 of 2281 🔗

No! Boris the Spineless Shit.

223730 ▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, #1131 of 2281 🔗

Very well said.

223381 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1132 of 2281 🔗

The Guardian: Covid lockdowns are cost of self-isolation failures, says WHO expert.

223383 ▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to Tom Blackburn, 9, #1133 of 2281 🔗

If there are more toilet paper shortages in advance of the upcoming locky, the Guardian is a wonderful substitute.

223521 ▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 1, #1134 of 2281 🔗

Or Piers Morgan’s new book.

223536 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Poppy, #1135 of 2281 🔗

Use Piers’s Morgans new book to wipe your butt on?

That won’t work, the pages will be made of flimsy whimsy bland paper with no substance and your finger will go right through it.

223394 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #1136 of 2281 🔗

It’s about time these “experts” shoved their “expertise”. The days of these people dictating how the rest of us live our lives ought to have never begun, but they are over.

223395 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Tom Blackburn, 7, #1137 of 2281 🔗

The reason the factory didn’t meet its output quota this month is because of saboteurs, comrade.

223398 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1138 of 2281 🔗

So the conclusion is to grab people and lock them into camps probably

223516 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Tom Blackburn, #1139 of 2281 🔗

Presumably all Guardian readers self isolate perfectly and everyone else is a selfish covidiot. (Haven’t read it, not sure I need to).

223547 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1140 of 2281 🔗

The only people I know who are in favour of the lockdown measures have broken those measures, consistently. Apparently, they think the measures apply to other people, who should be forced to comply in order to protect them.

223385 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 20, #1141 of 2281 🔗

A petition to close schools by 300,000 yummy mummies and daddies and namby pambies.
As much as I hate this government, I urge them to stand firm against these PATHETIC tossers.

223397 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Fingerache Philip., 7, #1142 of 2281 🔗

Oh he’ll stand firm until Cawwie says what if it was little Wilfie and his very life at stake from the vewy weal threat of covid – I reckon Doris will cave by about Thursday!

223443 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Fingerache Philip., 12, #1143 of 2281 🔗

What’s to stop these branch covidians taking their own kids out of school if they want? Why force the rest of us to suffer with them?

223467 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to mattghg, 1, #1144 of 2281 🔗

Exactly, they are welcome to keep their kids at home – more attention for the children left in the classrooms

223469 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to mattghg, #1145 of 2281 🔗

Good point.

223505 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to mattghg, 2, #1146 of 2281 🔗


It would have the added bonus of identifying which parents to avoid in future.

223615 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to mattghg, 2, #1147 of 2281 🔗

branch covidians, very good

223628 ▶▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Alethea, 1, #1148 of 2281 🔗

Thanks 😉

223393 sky_trees, replying to sky_trees, 14, #1149 of 2281 🔗

I am not a violent person. But I was thinking what consequence the buffoons in power need to face to hold them to account. Even if they are condemned in any inquiry, they still go on to lucrative jobs and deals. It all bounces off them. For the first time I can remember I have been considering that bringing back hanging may be appropriate. I feel this country and my fundamental rights have been violated to an extent unimaginable a year ago, and those who serve us need to see it is never acceptable. they need to be told in no uncertain terms this is not acceptable.

i am opposed to the death penalty even for the most awful individual crimes, for many reasons, among them the sense that everyone has their reasons and circumstances that led to making really bad life choices. i believe in healing and rehabilitation.

but this is bigger than individual crimes and it must never be allowed to happen again; and those who consider doing it again must be shown that it will not be tolerated.

223408 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to sky_trees, 6, #1150 of 2281 🔗

Hanging would certainly sent a powerful message to future politicians. But I do think the dismantling of the Common Purpose (the public sector’s own Freemasonry, just without the good bits) machine might be a better place to start. Especially regarding the reward of failure and jobs for the (right) boys and girls.

223414 ▶▶▶ sky_trees, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #1151 of 2281 🔗

I wanted to edit my post but I can’t.

long jail sentences might be sufficient. Preferable to death penalty, which as I say I am generally always opposed to. Criminal sanctions, in other words. I just sort of assume that criminal justice never reaches these sorts of people – they always escape and get to make loads of money.

223629 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to sky_trees, #1152 of 2281 🔗

It wasn’t a criticism 👍

223400 Jo, 3, #1153 of 2281 🔗

Not sure if this has been posted:

It’s apparently a call for Australian police officers to sign up to an organisation Cops for Covid Truth.

223405 Tim, replying to Tim, 2, #1154 of 2281 🔗

I’m not convinced by the Libertarian argument. In fact I would happily lock Boris up for the rest of his life if I thought it would get us out of this mire. But locking people up is not the answer. We need a strategy that does the most good for the least harm. Lockdown is not the answer.

223418 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Tim, 2, #1155 of 2281 🔗

What Libertarian argument?

223441 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Tim, 3, #1156 of 2281 🔗

If sufficient numbers of people did not comply with the pseudoscientific measures, the madness would be over.

223445 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #1157 of 2281 🔗

pseudoscientific measures”

Leave out the ‘scientific’ tag and you’re accurate.

223539 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to RickH, #1158 of 2281 🔗

I did. Pseudoscience is precisely not science, but is sold as if it were science, which is exactly what the government and the rest have done.

223534 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Steve Hayes, #1159 of 2281 🔗

More like religious measures!

223512 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Tim, 1, #1160 of 2281 🔗

I don’t understand why Libertarianism is suddenly an evil concept. Even Sunetra Gupta tried to disassociate herself from the “Libertarian harangue”. Fine for it not to be part of her personal politics but why consider it to be so contemptible?

223608 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #1161 of 2281 🔗

For left-wing/socially progressive academics (like me, for example; like Sunetra Gupta), ‘libertarian’ means ‘a heinous person who wants to let everyone else die in the street’. It’s a shibboleth, a group-belonging word. Most of us haven’t read any of the relevant texts, let alone done any serious thinking about the concept.

223680 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Alethea, 2, #1162 of 2281 🔗

I spent many years in academia as well, but have gone back to my libertarian roots since this insanity began. The AIER (American Institute for Economic Research) stuff has been stellar, and the videos by Tom Woods are fantastic. I actually find that the libertarians are the only ones talking about the impact of lockdowns on the lower classes and have been very suspicious of “the science” and the elites running the show from the beginning.

223760 ▶▶ Chris John, replying to Tim, 1, #1163 of 2281 🔗

I want proper retribution.
Found guilty of treason and have the bastard shot at dawn.
For extra spice I’d quarter him and scalp him.
Wanksock just gets pineapples shoved up his arse prickly side first every day.
And he has to eat a decent hot curry every meal

223412 calchas, replying to calchas, 14, #1164 of 2281 🔗

The measures are not there to reduce the ‘cases’

The ‘cases’ are there to justify the measures.

The inventor of the PCR said of the PCR: “You can use it to find almost anything in anyone”

Do you think that Sir Patrick Vallance doesn’t know that?

223434 ▶▶ chaos, replying to calchas, 1, #1165 of 2281 🔗

The PCR found I was secretly a millionaire zillionaire. As a consequence I have decided you should all eat locust burgers and live in hot bedding arrangements and any spare room you have will be given to Amazon. I’m going to take air travel and cars away from you all, and your jobs, and I am going to sterilise you with vaccines. Then I’ll buy a bigger yacht.

223419 TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 10, #1166 of 2281 🔗

Walking past the local veterinary surgery I saw a post-operative pooch being restored to its owner in the car park.
The dog was wearing a clear plastic “lampshade”, the veterinary assistant a clear plastic face shield. “Spot the difference!”, thought I. Then I did – the assistant was wearing a mask as well.
It’s a strange world where the humans are muzzled and the dogs not; it’s a sinister one where people are treated worse than animals, where compliance is mandated and liberty denied.

223423 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 2, #1167 of 2281 🔗

Old news!

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223463 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Voz 0db, 1, #1168 of 2281 🔗

Just think how much fun you could have flicking food into the waitress’s dog cone!

223552 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Voz 0db, #1169 of 2281 🔗

Can you carry these bowls of boiling soup to table number 8 please. Make sure you don’t trip!

223566 ▶▶▶ muzzle, replying to Voz 0db, 3, #1170 of 2281 🔗

It’s so she can’t lick her own arse.

223745 ▶▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to muzzle, 2, #1171 of 2281 🔗

I’d offer if she were game

223425 ▶▶ chaos, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 5, #1172 of 2281 🔗

Inadequate farcical socially distanced bed-wetting vet care contributed to the loss of my best buddy of 8 years this year.

223599 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to chaos, 1, #1173 of 2281 🔗

Very sorry to hear it. Losing a pet is wretched. I bet he or she had a nice life with you.

223667 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to chaos, 2, #1174 of 2281 🔗

I’m so sorry to hear that. My worst fear has been losing my dog during this nightmare. For a bit of good news, I need a new vet as we are moving permanently out of the city and to our home in the country. The first clinic I called was OK with me not wearing a mask. Granted, we have so few cases up here, but the sheeple are still 100% compliant. I have found that calling or e-mailing ahead about honouring mask exemptions has worked out well so far. I’m rarely refused and so have been able to work around it and almost never wear a mask at all. I hope you find, or have found, a new furry companion.

223426 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 4, #1175 of 2281 🔗

The madman and rapist’s dad is announcing new torture rules for the Welsh

What happens when you put a sadist in charge

223430 ▶▶ annie, replying to Cecil B, #1176 of 2281 🔗

What is it this time?

223437 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to annie, 1, #1177 of 2281 🔗

Fuck knows, can’t be bothered to listen

223456 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Cecil B, 4, #1178 of 2281 🔗

Just checked, status quo ante lockdown. Could be worse. Could be better if Dungford hanged himself, but one thing at a time.

223613 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to annie, #1179 of 2281 🔗

He might need some help.

223464 ▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to annie, #1180 of 2281 🔗

2 households can form a bubble – big effing deal! I’m already doing that with various neighbours and friends near me as someone living on my own. Nothing about opening up ‘non-essential shops and businesses’ but maybe that’s to come. Evil twat.

223580 ▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Melangell, #1181 of 2281 🔗

I live in England. I like restaurants. So soothing to be served a meal without having to prepare it or do the washing up oneself! I am thinking of a little trip by train into Wales some time next week, or the week after. I hear there are restaurants there.
Unless we have travelled back in time to the early 1940s, and skipped across the sea to the Third Reich, it seems most unlikely to me that I will be questioned by state security forces on the train as it approaches the border.

223455 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #1183 of 2281 🔗


223444 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 12, #1184 of 2281 🔗

My forecast similar with others is lockdown until at least 14th December. They will ease restrictions over Christmas so that they can save it (and they know people will ignore them anyway thus undermining their authority) and then it will be tier restrictions for the next few months. There may be another lockdown in February but there will definitely be one over Easter 2021 as it will coincide with the natural seasonal diminishing of respiratory disease infections which they will appropriate to claim credit for (and to hide the real cause).

By the way this is a reasonable forecast and so should be treated as data thank you.

223458 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Achilles, 1, #1185 of 2281 🔗

Also forgot to say there will be a new dynamic from March next year onwards as they will be able to start doing a year on year Covid comparison by week. Not sure what that will mean for the message, just assuming it will be bad.

223495 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Achilles, 1, #1186 of 2281 🔗

Yes they will love that. 200% more deaths than on this day last year! Umpteenth wave more deadly than the first! Etc etc.

223459 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Achilles, 7, #1187 of 2281 🔗

They are positioning lockdowns next to natural declines in virus activity. This is so they can claim lockdowns work. Why would you need to make lockdowns look effective? Because you are going to do it again… and again.

223499 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #1188 of 2281 🔗

I’m more and more convinced that this is their game. Why have they used 3-week-old numbers to frighten us into lockdown, when more recent numbers show a flattening or even a decline in some areas? The timing is very suspicious. By Christmas they will be claiming that lockdown saved nearly 4,000 lives per day because that’s what the model said would be happening without it. Hey presto, lockdown works.

223653 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Sam Vimes, #1189 of 2281 🔗

But if they were smart, they’d slow down testing during and a few weeks after lockdowns. They could truly make it appear that lockdowns work if they merely stop testing anyone who doesn’t have symptoms. The reason there’s no correlation between lockdowns and mask mandates is because they keep increasing testing, which is sure to make it appear as if there is still a pandemic.

223509 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Achilles, 1, #1190 of 2281 🔗

Sounds realistic, and I expect that will take us up to when the “vaccine” will be deployed and the testdemic wound down.

223450 chaos, replying to chaos, 6, #1191 of 2281 🔗

I saw no point in writing a letter to my MP. He’s a front bencher and very much one of the Boris clan. I sent my letter to Desmond Swayne and Graham Brady explaining why I hadn’t sent it to my constituency MP…

223457 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to chaos, #1192 of 2281 🔗

I am the same. I’ll do it if someone like Liberty do a simple click and send thing but cba otherwise.

223460 1stJamie, replying to 1stJamie, 13, #1193 of 2281 🔗

Just fired another email (both barrels) to my MP

Dear Dr Xxxxxxxx Xxxxxxx

I emailed you on the 22nd September 2020, regarding the accuracy of the PCR tests being used to ‘diagnose cases’ of Covid 19 but I received no response.

As a practicing Doctor you must clearly understand the important principle when administering treatment…First do no harm.

Inflicting lockdowns on the country have not worked in controlling any respiratory viruses (mandatory mask wearing included) and this supposed cure is showing itself to be far worse and creating wider suffering and death, than the disease.
I could give you a long list of scientific evidence which proves this, but if you have already sold yourself to the pseudoscience of Sage, I cannot see the point

I suppose you can take comfort your job, as an MP, is safe for a further 4 years. This is a luxury many self-employed and small business don’t have. This suffering will now be felt for decades.

If you vote for a further lockdown (or abstain from voting), I will never vote for you or your party ever again.

Jamie Xxxxx

PS How’s Brexit going?

224456 ▶▶ Simon, replying to 1stJamie, #1194 of 2281 🔗

Love it :>)

223461 Colin, 4, #1195 of 2281 🔗

Why should we trust these modellers when they can’t even predict the number of deaths three weeks into the future, a number which anyone with basic horse sense could estimate by looking at the number of infections for previous two or three days.

223462 Jo, 8, #1196 of 2281 🔗

Just saw this on Twitter:
The total number of Covid patients who have ever needed hospital treatment from the NHS is 170,000.

The NHS has 1,200,000 staff, 1,275 hospitals, at least 140,000 beds and a £350,000,000 per day budget.

And a prick answered “more like 1.6m”. So I told him to go to the govt website, if he can read.

223466 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 1, #1197 of 2281 🔗

The StandupX website is linking to this protest in their “Events” section:


Who thinks they might go? I’m all for combining our efforts but some of the posts on that Facebook page don’t look all that coherent with the LS mindset. Too much lionising of the NHS etc. Thoughts?

223506 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to mattghg, #1198 of 2281 🔗

I suppose attending shows a bit of defiance to the government measures. Not sure where you would get one of those masks from at short notice?

I would assume a lot of the far left types who might usually attend this event are going along with and fully supporting all the government measures such as track and trace and mandatory vaccinations and testing? if the usual attendees all support the new technocratic police state in reality it will be interesting to see the attendance.

223523 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to mattghg, 1, #1199 of 2281 🔗

The more people on the street, the better for me.

223577 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to mattghg, #1200 of 2281 🔗

The “Mask March” is – or started out as – an anti-austerity movement. Whatever your views on austerity, it is one that does cause the government some embarrassed squirming. But it is not an anti-lockdown protest as such.

223610 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Nick Rose, #1201 of 2281 🔗

Thanks. I suppose I’d feel inclined to go if I knew that anti-lockdowners would be significantly and vocally represented … but I guess it’s very hard to know that ahead of time.

223699 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to mattghg, #1202 of 2281 🔗

I think the timing will mean most people attending will be anti lockdown. The police can’t complain about people being unmasked at this event, will be interesting.

223746 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to mattghg, #1203 of 2281 🔗

Not so keen on going after looking at the facebook page, they say they are pro civil liberties and human rights but no condemnation of lockdown and police brutality at the anti lockdown protests (but plenty of political posts about America). Looks a bit like they approve tyranny only if under a red flag.

223472 Darryl, 7, #1204 of 2281 🔗

Not sure who this lady is, but I like the sound of bringing the likes of Klaus Schwab, Bill Gates and senior politicians to peoples courts to defend their actions. To have a second lockdown on very flawed and fraudulent evidence is genocide – they are even preparing people for it with the term ‘Darkest Winter’.

THE COVID-19 GENOCIDE OF 2020 – CLAIRE EDWARDS https://www.bitchute.com/video/D0RN8vHfEaTi/

223473 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 11, #1205 of 2281 🔗

If you haven’t taken the time to read the GP’s article in Toby’s update, I urge you to read it all now.

Here’s a snippet:

I had the easiest 3 months of NHS practice in my life from March to June 2020. No wonder all those apart from in ICU were smiling, laughing, and apotheosising the NHS on social media. This was their first real break in 70 years. They genuinely felt they deserved it. Then, a strange thing happened in an already strange time in June 2020. Bad stink five. I received an email from the Clinical Commissioning Group. Cascaded presumably by the BMA to every CCG and GP in the country, simultaneously. I was fed their pro-BLM message , and invited to click on a link where I could donate to the neo-Marxist trained BLM leaders via a US Democrat party central-funding company, ActBlue.

How very odd. I had not yet received one email on the pathophysiology of COVID-19, not one email on life-saving potential early community interventions and treatments (maybe more on these another time). Nothing. Yet here was priority number one in the pandemic apart from systematically neglecting my patients: dip into your pockets, doctor. Donate to the statue-toppling, English-heritage-bashing, and lockdown-breaking SARS-CoV-2 spreaders-in-chief.

223524 ▶▶ Helen, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #1206 of 2281 🔗

Agreed ..its really an eyeopener!

223879 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Cheezilla, #1207 of 2281 🔗

It’s a spectacular piece, easily the single best repudiation of the government’s actions I have read.

223474 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 13, #1208 of 2281 🔗

Heatening words from Patrick O’Flynn in the Spectator. Pessimistic though I’ve been feeling lately, I genuinely agree that this is the last time the govt will be able to get away with it.

Will Conservative MPs and the party’s collective leadership have the resilience, belief in their own approach and esprit-de-corps needed to tough it out, or will they buckle in the face of the Farage onslaught and shift decisively onto his anti-lockdown ground?

A study of recent political history tells us what is overwhelmingly the most likely answer to that question. This will be the last national lockdown and for that we will largely have to thank the guy who has so far failed to get into the Westminster bubble himself.

223480 ▶▶ annie, replying to A. Contrarian, 10, #1209 of 2281 🔗

Go it, Nigel.

223483 ▶▶ Muzz Off, replying to A. Contrarian, 9, #1210 of 2281 🔗

We are now in entirely uncharted political territory. Farage’s intervention can only be a good thing, but I think it’s hard to predict just how much good it will do.

223494 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Muzz Off, 5, #1211 of 2281 🔗

I think best he can do is to get the masses actually thinking outside the MSM dictated box.

223573 ▶▶▶▶ Jo, replying to DRW, #1212 of 2281 🔗

That would be nice.

223595 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to DRW, 4, #1213 of 2281 🔗

Farage will get MSM coverage because they can’ t resist. They’ll be vile but he’s used to that. It will get the message out.

223705 ▶▶▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to thinkaboutit, 1, #1214 of 2281 🔗

I agree. It will get the sceptical message out there and this should turn the tide whatever we may think of NF personally (and I think he is a very effective politician and will support him).

223490 ▶▶ DRW, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1215 of 2281 🔗

They can keep getting away with it for as long as they keep printing money for furlough.

223477 annie, replying to annie, 34, #1216 of 2281 🔗

There is genius in our enemies. Evil genius, but genius.

Evil totalitarian governments rule by terror, but usually it’s the government itself that is the source of the terror and is therefore obeyed, but hated.
By making a virus the source if the terror, our monsters have diverted that hatred into a completely safe channel – for them.

But I hate them. Nobody except another sceptic could possibly understand how much I hate them.

223482 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to annie, 10, #1217 of 2281 🔗

And they make us more afraid of each other than of what they are doing to us. An extra dose of evil.

223487 ▶▶ DRW, replying to annie, 5, #1218 of 2281 🔗

It’s like how good news is because of governments, but any bad news is becuase of the virus/pandemic.

223504 ▶▶ Kev, replying to annie, 6, #1219 of 2281 🔗

Yes we do, but the hate needs to be channeled, and aimed at the right people.

One day, we will have a chance to call them to account, we have to believe that.

This is either gross incompetence, or it is manslaughter/murder. Either way a number of people are definitely complicit in what we are seeing.

223533 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Kev, 3, #1220 of 2281 🔗

I don’t believe it’s incompetence.

223703 ▶▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Bella Donna, #1221 of 2281 🔗

Nor do I!

223545 ▶▶ Gill, replying to annie, 5, #1222 of 2281 🔗

I know exactly how you feel. I have never felt such loathing and hatred as I do now, so much that it scares me sometimes!

223478 CGL, replying to CGL, 8, #1223 of 2281 🔗

Just a thought – are they being blackmailed?

223497 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to CGL, 3, #1224 of 2281 🔗

One or more of the protagonists, almost certainly so.

223531 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to CGL, 6, #1225 of 2281 🔗

That wouldn’t surprise me. Politics is a swamp for swamp people. Only those who are easily corruptable get the top jobs. It keeps them in line.

223564 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #1226 of 2281 🔗

“Those are my principles and if you don’t like them… Well, I have others.”

Groucho Marx.

223543 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to CGL, 6, #1227 of 2281 🔗

The Chinese dissident who revealed much of what’s going on with Hunter Biden did a Twitter broadcast last week. he said, “You don’t think Britain has its own Hunter Biden?”, and referred to Cameron and Boris.

223581 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Londo Mollari, #1228 of 2281 🔗

We knew about Cameron’s todger and the pigs head, as for Bozo monogamy isn’t a characteristic he embraces.

223731 ▶▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to Bella Donna, #1229 of 2281 🔗

His ‘Monogramy’ BJ characterises his preferred ‘embraces’

223481 caravaggio57, replying to caravaggio57, 24, #1230 of 2281 🔗

My attempt at trying to get my MP to look further than the orders he gets from his party leadership. Copy sent to Graham Brady too.

“I see Mr Johnson and his advisors have deigned to give MPs a vote on Wednesday, regarding their forthcoming continued destruction of the UK economy and way of life, to perhaps share the responsibility around.

I can only ask that all MPs closely scrutinise the information and data that you have been and will be given by the government, and importantly, demand that the data is complete, and not edited, especially that comparisons are made with previous years medical data. You will I’m sure remember that children go through a phase of asking “Why?’ to everything that they are told. You need to keep asking, why? Just as young children do. That might feel difficult, but if 3 year olds can do it. So can MPs.

Tonight. Chris Whitty at no stage made any mention of comparison of this years medical data, detailing admissions, respiratory deaths and NHS winter pressures, that routinely occur every autumn and winter, with previous years. I would ask for comparisons of this year and the last 25 years. At no stage did he mention excess deaths; or the deleterious impact of lockdown on the diagnosis and treatment of other illnesses that are far more likely to be fatal than SARS-Cov19 for individuals, such as cancer and vascular diseases. Why might that be perhaps? Are those people of no importance?
Patrick Vallance’s presentation was notable for its graphs of predictions and possibilities predicated on ‘modelling” i.e. guesswork. In truth the only hard fact in his presentation was that they had asked 3 different groups of people for their attempts at guesswork as to how SARS-Cov 19 might escalate.

We must all question the modelling assumptions. Clever people, perhaps, are psychologically less capable of this than most. Garbage in, Garbage out as the saying goes.

Yours in despair.”

223518 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to caravaggio57, 1, #1231 of 2281 🔗

I hope you don’t mind but Ive copied your comment to my MP.

223492 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 15, #1232 of 2281 🔗

The ‘scientists’ look like gangsters, Johnson looks defeated, and not mentally strong enough to stand up to them. Leaders need to be able to lead not just follow or allow themselves to be coerced. We’re never going to get anywhere if this goes on, if they are scientists and not handlers, they would always say lock anyone away if you dont want to catch anything.

223507 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Dan Clarke, 14, #1233 of 2281 🔗

How do you know he isn’t fully onboard with the Great Reset? His father was a Rockerfeller banker and is a posho eco warrior like Charles. Grouse shooting and flying for me.. communism for you. Carrie is a posho eco warrior and works for Oceana – An eco group set up and funded by the Rockerfellers.

223554 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to chaos, 2, #1234 of 2281 🔗

True, he is definitely not the same Johnson that we knew, maybe that was the lie.

223498 Fingerache Philip., 17, #1235 of 2281 🔗

Just returned from my local high street, 2 days before “lockdown 2”
A pizza parlor which survived “lockdown 1” already has a sign in window: “shop to let”
Going well, ain’t it ? and it hasn’t officially started yet.

223502 Melangell, replying to Melangell, 2, #1236 of 2281 🔗

The latest from Dreadfilth:
People will be able to form household bubbles again and meet in pubs, bars, cafes and restaurants when Wales’ fire-break lockdown ends.
First Minister Mark Drakeford made the announcement at the Welsh Government press conference on Monday, November 2.
The new rules will last for two weeks after which they will be reviewed to see if further changes can be made.

These are the new rules he announced that will come into force on Monday, November 9:

  • There will be no travel restrictions within Wales for residents
  • Two households will be able to join together to form a bubble
  • Only people in these extended households can meet inside their homes
  • There will be new arrangements to meet indoors in other settings, such as pubs, bars, cafes and restaurants
  • How this will work has not yet been agreed – further discussions take place on Monday afternoon
  • In relation to organised activity, up to 15 people can take part in an indoors activity and up to 30 in outdoors activity, providing all social distancing, hand hygiene and other Covid safety measures are followed.
  • All schools reopen from Monday, November 9
  • Business premises reopen from Monday, November 9
  • Places of workship can resume services and council services will resume
  • People should avoid non-essential travel and work from home where possible
  • Two metre social distancing and the need to wear masks in enclose public distancing remains in place
223527 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Melangell, 2, #1237 of 2281 🔗

Perhaps Duckfat is reluctant to cook his own goose…?

223540 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Melangell, 2, #1238 of 2281 🔗

So far as I can see from the Welsh stats, at this point in time the firebreak has made no difference. Are they claiming otherwise?

223579 ▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1239 of 2281 🔗

Since nothing will have changed at the end of two weeks, it would appear to be dipstick’s very own tickbox exercise so he can be seen to have dun sumfink.

223503 Censored Dog, replying to Censored Dog, 23, #1240 of 2281 🔗

Farage’s reform party is the best news I’ve seen in weeks! He has my vote!

223530 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Censored Dog, 5, #1241 of 2281 🔗

What makes you think you will get a chance to cast it? The government has already cancelled elections.

223546 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Censored Dog, 18, #1242 of 2281 🔗

I hate Faridge. I think he is a total A-hole.
But I will support him.
I’ve had to do a 180 degree turn on pretty much everything else!

223592 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Jo, 1, #1243 of 2281 🔗

Great comment [Big smile]

224478 ▶▶▶ DomW, replying to Jo, #1244 of 2281 🔗

The enemy of my enemy…

224392 ▶▶ James Bertram, replying to Censored Dog, #1245 of 2281 🔗

The thing about Farage is that the Torys fear and loathe him, so much so that they ape all his policies to pull the rug from under him. His policy, like Trump’s, is the Great Barrington Declaration. With enough pressure from Farage, and a Trump win, the Tories will adopt this policy as their own.

223510 Edward, replying to Edward, 13, #1246 of 2281 🔗

Having cancelled my direct debit for Friends of the Royal Academy, I have been asked to return the new membership card which was sent out early in expectation of me renewing. I’m returning it with the following comments.
“Direct debit now cancelled – card returned.
I assume you are having to close again from 5 November for a month, possibly longer.
I have no sympathy.
Most of the arts sector has meekly accepted all of the Government’s restrictions – instead you should be opposing them.”

Strangely enough, when I look at their website they still seem to be open for bookings after 5 November, but I assume they haven’t got round to shutting it down yet. In contrast the Tate website has made bookings unavailable from 5 November.

223542 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Edward, 1, #1247 of 2281 🔗

Stanley Spencer Gallery in Cookham – has shut down 3 days before Lockdown because of Covid-19!!

223555 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Jo, 4, #1248 of 2281 🔗

That’s something we see in various contexts – people who want to be “ahead of the curve”, like the outside mask wearers who think it’ll become compulsory anyway and they want to show how compliant they are in advance.

223558 ▶▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Edward, 2, #1249 of 2281 🔗

I know. It is one of the hundreds of things that make me really angry.
“Ahead of the game, and proud of it!”

223569 ▶▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Jo, 4, #1250 of 2281 🔗

And they also make it easier for compulsion to be introduced – “Look, lots of people are doing it already, what’s the problem?”

I have several answers to those who say they’re quite comfortable in a mask:
“Bully for you, as we used to say at school”.
“Well done, do you want a medal?”
And a few more only fit for broadcast after 9pm.

224482 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ DomW, replying to Edward, #1251 of 2281 🔗

The time is now 22:10. Please proceed

223514 Mayo, 8, #1252 of 2281 🔗

A reader with a scientific background has summarised the REACT survey for us

I wonder if Toby Young could get the reader with scientific background to do a blog post. While my assessment of the REACT projection is slightly less damning than theirs I agree pretty much with the general content. It is definitely based on old data and it is ridiculously pessimistic.

223528 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 23, #1253 of 2281 🔗

With regard to lockdowns, and shutting people in their homes, and denying their children an education, I think it’s time for a reappraisal. I’ve already posted something similar on Twitter, a couple of weeks ago.

There are four groups in play: lockdown fanatics, and lockdown/restrictions sceptics on either wing. Also in play, somewhere between the aforementioned positions, are the mask-wearing and the don’t-give-a-monkey’s-either-way groups;

For those who want, or who don’t mind living in, a restriction free society (lockdown sceptic and don’t give a monkey’s groups mainly, with some mask wearers) should have all Covid measures lifted immediately, and be allowed to just get on with their own lives. Situation normal, like it was in January. Kids in school, adults at work, mixing socially, seeing elderly relatives, free to move nationally and internationally, no compulsory masks, no social distancing. Just… normal. Within this society, those who wish to wear a mask, or socially distance, may do so, and their choice ought to be respected by the rest of us. It shouldn’t need saying that they must also respect our choice.

Now for those who want the current shitshow, with lockdowns galore, everybody stuck at home, no schools open, masks in bed, the whole shebang. This will include the lockdown fanatics (obviously), most of the masked and distanced, and possibly a few of the don’t give a monkey’s groups. These people can live in specially isolated towns, where the rest of us cannot pollute their pure lockdown. No schools, no factories, no companies to work for. They will, of course, have access to health services on the same terms we all suffer must tolerate right now, online learning for their children, access to t’internet and Netflix, and be able to order food online. All utilities will continue to function. But households will not be allowed to mix.

Now please do not imagine this is some sort of apartheid by ideology, this is a much different animal. This is because when they have had enough – and it will reach a point where they have had enough – they only need say so and they can rejoin the rest of us, back in normal land. With no stigma, just a welcome back to reality. A “guys, what took you so long?” kind of thing.

There would be no furlough for this second group, but everything they use will be totted up and a bill presented when they leave. They can either pay it in a lump sum, in instalments, or through taxes.


I believe that this is a far more equitable way to sort this bug out. Those who are free can attain herd immunity and protect the vulnerable, while the others can hide from the nasty bug in their isolation. They will emerge when they have had enough; realise being locked away is getting bloody expensive and how on earth will they be able to pay for it all, it might even take a generation or two, worse than a blasted mortgage; or they can wait for a vaccine; or… well, that will be up to them.

My lords, ladies and gentlemen, I present for your consideration and, hopefully, approbation the Nick Rose Alternative Covid Plan: Mark One, Mod One.

223538 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #1254 of 2281 🔗

Good plan but in that scenario i’m rubbing the lockdown fanatics noses right in it!

223562 ▶▶▶ Kev, replying to JHuntz, 6, #1255 of 2281 🔗

Yeah, you made your bed now lie in it!

You want to rejoin normal people, its gonna cost you.

223551 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #1256 of 2281 🔗

Yes indeed. This is why people went to America.

223556 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Nick Rose, 7, #1257 of 2281 🔗

Naturally this seems very reasonable to me. But it misses an important part of the problem, which is that many of the lockdown zealots are motivated as much by a desire for control and/or a covert unbridled sadism as they are by fear. It wouldn’t be acceptable to them for the rest of us to do what we want, beyond their control and their judgement. Some of them, at least, are enjoying how much we are suffering. They wouldn’t be willing to give that up.

223614 ▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Alethea, 4, #1258 of 2281 🔗

Indeed, it is rather like religious fanatics (of any flavour). To quote (or probably, slightly miss quote) the great, late, Christopher Hitchens “they are not content to believe, they won’t be happy until you believe too”.

223532 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 1, #1259 of 2281 🔗

For those MPs planning to vote in favour of the Deadly lockdown this Wednesday

223541 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Victoria, 8, #1260 of 2281 🔗

You will lose your seat if you vote in favour. Perhaps the realisation matters more to you than sentencing people to death by voting for the lockdown?


223550 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Jo, 1, #1262 of 2281 🔗

A good summary of the situation

223553 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 4, #1263 of 2281 🔗

I know a lot of people are sceptical about the government setting up quarantine / detention centres (concentration camps). There was the anonymous ‘leaked’ document from Canada about the camps – which obviously could be real or not.

This video actually does have links showing the official Canadian government documents about what sound an awfully lot like concentrations camps. Also there is a video of Theresa Tam who is in charge of the Canadian response openly talking about detention / concentration camps in the past (at 5.50). There will be camps unless we fight it, these people are completely evil. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jv8CVqc0a9g

223632 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Darryl, 4, #1264 of 2281 🔗

While I don’t believe everything that came out of the “leaked” document — it hasn’t been verified — there are some things that are totally plausible. These quarantine facilities are springing up everywhere, not just in Canada, and I have no doubt they *could* be used for other purposes at some point in the future. Sure, facilities for international travellers who can’t properly quarantine, but I’ve also heard they will be offered to people in crowded households that don’t allow for “proper” quarantining which means it could easily go from voluntary to mandatory. That’s the slippery slope the “it’s just a piece of cloth” folks don’t seem to understand. Everything is voluntary, until it’s not.

223650 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 2, #1265 of 2281 🔗

The whole thing is a slippery slope, beginning with “quarantine” facilities for healthy international travellers who are travelling for legitimate and lawful purposes. You don’t place people with legitimate travel documents and legitimate reasons for travel into de facto immigration detention centres in civilised countries.

Even North Korea, to my knowledge, does not have a history of going quite so far.

223559 JHuntz, 10, #1266 of 2281 🔗

So my local sandwich shop that I have made a conscious effort to support during the pandemic have implemented a binary rule of five within their shop. So throughout the winter if it’s busy I am to stand outside in the pissing cold Scottish Winter. That’s a customer lost and another semblance of normality gone.

223560 Banjones, 6, #1267 of 2281 🔗

Reading about the analysis of the REACT survey, it makes me feel more and more sure that these figures that are being rolled out every day aren’t genuine. Why should anyone bother gathering real data when they could just add a couple of hundred thousand here, take away a few hundreds there, and bingo! That should keep the plebs worried.

223565 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 6, #1268 of 2281 🔗

Prominent figures in your own party are speaking out AGAINST your deadly lockdown plans, PM Johnson.

It is time you listen to them


223575 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Victoria, 9, #1269 of 2281 🔗

Filled with shame listening to a British PM produce so many lying claims, inane pronouncements, blase waving away of the huge damage to our economy and society and false promises.

The only thing that can be said is that Starmer would’ve been far worse.

223567 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 5, #1270 of 2281 🔗

Bryce Mitchell (MMA) issues anti-mask statement

If your mask work so well why do you worry if I wear one?


223572 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Victoria, 10, #1271 of 2281 🔗

If your vaccine is effective, why would you worry if I am not vaccinated?

223617 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Victoria, 3, #1272 of 2281 🔗

Cause they have the sheeple believing that my mask protects them. They’re so stupid they haven’t quite figured out a mask is merely a filter, not a barrier, and the filter works in both directions.

223570 Poppy, replying to Poppy, 75, #1273 of 2281 🔗

Just seen on Twitter that the DVSA has cancelled all driving tests and training until 2nd December.

I’m absolutely fuming. I’ve sunk a lot of money into learning to drive lately (and I don’t have unlimited cash) plus this was meant to be my third attempt at passing my driving test in 4 years. I am desperate to pass because it is my final frontier into being 100% independent; I loathe relying on public transport and other people for lifts. I have a driving theory test booked for 9th December and was planning to take my practical test sometime in the spring of 2021, but no doubt that the dictator will extend the prison sentence beyond 2nd December causing a massive backlog and arse ache for everyone, delaying things even further and potentially leading to me losing a lot of my own money.

Not to mention how this will totally fuck over self-employed driving instructors. My first instructor was forced to wind down her driving instructing business after the first prison sentence and she ended up getting a job as a manager of a Covid-19 testing site, believe it or not. I felt so awful for her that she felt the need to pack in her business of 15 years and go and get a job in the only bloody industry that will be left after this self-imposed massacre, the Covid industry.

Debating whether to look into getting a cheap second-hand car but even that comes with its own financial risks and I don’t really have anyone who can sit with me for extended periods while I drive.

Beyond furious now. Can’t learn to drive, can’t see my bf, can’t see my friends, can’t have a proper university education, can’t go shopping, can’t go to any entertainment venues, can’t go abroad, can’t travel anywhere. I know a lot of people on here say ‘Just ignore the restrictions’ but I have a future graduate job that depends on me having a squeaky clean criminal record so I can’t risk any sort of fine.

My existence has been reduced to eating, shitting, sleeping, and studying in front of a screen. And some members of the public actually think this is acceptable.

The people making these decisions are simply psychopaths of the highest order and I won’t ever forget what they’ve done.

223578 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Poppy, 11, #1274 of 2281 🔗

So sorry, Poppy. I will somehow absorb my anger on your behalf into the general state of outrage that I currently subsist in.

224682 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #1275 of 2281 🔗

It’s hard not to be angry all the time, but for health reasons I limit my anger to about 20 hours a day.

223582 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Poppy, 6, #1276 of 2281 🔗

Oh Poppy – I’m so sorry.

223594 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Poppy, 3, #1277 of 2281 🔗

Sorry to hear this, a colleague of mine spent about 3 minutes in their test before failing – I was surprised that these days, when you “fail” you don’t even take the rest of the test. So he accidentally blocked some traffic and it was game over.

Driving is so “old normal” anyway, cars kill!!

223603 ▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to captainbeefheart, 7, #1278 of 2281 🔗

I took my last two tests before this new rule was brought in, so instead of just stopping the test, I had to do the rest of it knowing I’d failed! Awful 😂

223630 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Poppy, 5, #1279 of 2281 🔗

Me too. I failed at the first turn out of the test centre due to some other driver undercutting and still had to do the rest. Took me 4 goes to pass after that trauma!

223686 ▶▶▶▶▶ chaos, replying to A. Contrarian, 10, #1280 of 2281 🔗

Because I am a tad autistic. I took my instructor literally when he said he doesn’t like people who hesitate. Right gotcha! I said.

After several wheel spins and Starsky and Hutch screeches and throwing the test man back in his seat several times I failed. But not once did I hesitate.

223733 ▶▶▶▶▶ davews, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #1281 of 2281 🔗

Quite a few years ago now but it took me six goes to pass. On one test I misjudged turning out of a junction and went over the kerb. On another there was a set of traffic lights at a turn junction only and I sat waiting for the permanent red lights to change – ‘follow the road ahead…’. Sorry to hear of your delays Poppy, probably affects the friend of my mate across the road who is booked for a test sometime this month.

223751 ▶▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Poppy, 6, #1282 of 2281 🔗

Many years ago now, but I had a full blown row with examiner and still passed.

223878 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Poppy, 4, #1283 of 2281 🔗

I failed twice – first time no hope, and the second knew I’d blown it a few minutes in, and then definitely blown it even worse a bit later.

Good luck on your test, whenever it is, and your existence comprises far more than you think – what an astonishing lesson this covid business is to learn young, however frustrating it might feel at the time.

I appreciate what you say about needing to have no criminal record – easy for people like me to forget that (I don’t have a CR by the way!).

223623 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #1284 of 2281 🔗

Why do you need to drive anyway now eveything’s “virtual”?

224684 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to DRW, 1, #1285 of 2281 🔗

Well virtually everything.

223675 ▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to captainbeefheart, 5, #1286 of 2281 🔗

I’m not sure we will be allowed to use cars for much longer. They are so not net zero.

223911 ▶▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to charleyfarley, #1287 of 2281 🔗

What about electric cars?

223961 ▶▶▶▶▶ Timothy Staley, replying to Poppy, 2, #1288 of 2281 🔗

They are not net zero either
Just not local emissions
Another con

224685 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Poppy, 1, #1289 of 2281 🔗

There are those electric scooters and of course here are lots of electric bicycles around these days.

223596 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Poppy, 8, #1290 of 2281 🔗

Sorry to hear this Poppy. Like you I won’t ever forget and I won’t ever forgive.

223600 ▶▶ John Galt, replying to Poppy, 7, #1291 of 2281 🔗

The likelihood of being stopped is very low, so the likelihood of receiving a fine is even lower.

On the rare chance that you do get stopped, if you live alone you can use their “support bubble” nonsense against them. If you don’t live alone and they stop you, then just say you live with your boyfriend and you have started to do so because of this lockdown.

If they do fine you then apparently it’s not regarded as a “crime”:

Most breaches of lockdown rules are being dealt with using the fixed penalty system. This is a tool which the Police have which allows them to issue an on the spot fine, without having to go through the process of arrest, questioning, charging and a court appearance. It’s a quick way of dealing with what are usually minor issues. Fixed penalties might be used for other minor offences like dropping litter on the street, or breaking local by-laws about drinking outside a pub. These are not criminal matters. If you pay the fixed penalty, the matter is closed, and the fine is not recorded as a “crime”.


If a fine is paid, no criminal offence is recorded because the law states that the person has “discharged any liability to conviction for the offence”.


223611 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Poppy, 16, #1292 of 2281 🔗

I am furious on your behalf and on behalf of my own university-aged kids. My eldest has a boyfriend she met in August and they’ve never been out to a restaurant or gone to a movie together. My younger is away at university and won’t be able to come back for the holidays because she’d have to quarantine for 2 weeks and take 3 Covid tests upon her return — and that’s within my own country. My niece hasn’t been able to get her driver’s license either. As a middle-aged parent, I’d be more than willing to get back out into the world and take the “risk” to make life better for your generation. Our kids are NOT supposed to sacrifice for us; the older generations are supposed to sacrifice for our kids.

223616 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Poppy, 7, #1293 of 2281 🔗

Sorry to hear that Poppy. My life is similarly reduced to a screen, my Zoom University (other platforms available) experience is going poorly, and campus is fucking horrible anyway. Us youngsters have been totally screwed over.

Also, I failed my second test because I was in a shitty car with a frequently stalling shot gearbox and wasn’t comfortable going up to the full 40mph speed limit on a sharp downhill, and an impatient arse in a land rover overtook. Still too annoyed to bother again. As for your bf, can’t you just use the “bubble” excuse if you’re ever challenged?

223619 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Poppy, 12, #1294 of 2281 🔗

Our elder granddaughter started to learn to drive at the beginning of the year so when lockdown 1 happened, that put an end to that.
After a few months she resumed her driving lessons and got a job in a pub and just recently passed her theory test.
Now: no job,no driving lessons and no wages.
Covid, the hysterical overreaction; the madness that keeps on giving.

223620 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Poppy, 9, #1295 of 2281 🔗

So sorry, Poppy. My son took 7 goes on his test. One test was cancelled because the examiner was ill, another on the day because it was deemed the roads were too icy. His driving instructor couldn’t understand why he kept failing. We did feel he’d never make it but he did, and he’s a fabulous driver.
Go see your boyfriend, make him your bubble. Or set up a student support group and invite him as speaker. Weekly. One must get creative.

223646 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to thinkaboutit, 1, #1296 of 2281 🔗

Nice idea- I’d join that “support group” depending on the details.

223631 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Poppy, 8, #1297 of 2281 🔗

Sorry Poppy, your generation really have a bum deal.

223633 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Poppy, 8, #1298 of 2281 🔗

Can’t help with most of this Poppy, but you must see your boyfriend. Don’t let them take away your humanity. That can never be theirs.

223663 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Sam Vimes, 5, #1299 of 2281 🔗

Totally agree Sam. Without our humanity we are nothing.

223670 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to Poppy, 10, #1300 of 2281 🔗

I wrote my car off 5 hours after passing my test…

Sorry I know that doesn’t help, your comment triggered that thought. Not my finest moment. Sigh. 😉

You will get there Poppy, you have a lot of people on here willing you on for starters. Stay strong and stay on course.


223673 ▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Poppy, 8, #1301 of 2281 🔗

Poppy, go and see your boyfriend. We cannot let these buggers ruin all our lives as we have rights – rights that Parliament gave us under the Human Rights Act.

223676 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Poppy, 6, #1302 of 2281 🔗

You will not be fined and it will not go on a DBS. Always have a reasonable excuse for being out of the house e.g. support a vulnerable person, get medication, go to an appointment, go to work. Refuse to answer any more questions after staing that reason. Unless in a car you don’t have to give your name to police. Unless detained you cannot be questioned further. Am I free to go officer? If they say no without arresting you you can fairly easily sue for compensation. They will not arrest you.

223726 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to chaos, 3, #1303 of 2281 🔗

During the last lockdown I went to our local farm shop to buy dog food. If asked, there was always dog food in the car. I ended up with a stockpile. Perhaps Poppy could get a goldfish and rendezvous with her amour in the pet food aisle. Just don’t overfeed the fish.

223678 ▶▶ Paul, replying to Poppy, 9, #1304 of 2281 🔗

There’s clearly a conscious plan to remove everything in life that allows us to better ourselves,improve our quality of life and simply just get a little piece of happiness.
I too will never,ever forget those that are guilty,in any way,of bringing this plan to fruition.
I have an image in my mind of all the Westminster traitors hanging from the lampposts around parliament but that wouldn’t make them suffer enough.

223727 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Paul, 3, #1305 of 2281 🔗

Draw and quarter them too.

223772 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Poppy, 3, #1306 of 2281 🔗

To help you pass get some hypnotherapy.

Helped my daughter and wife (with who panic at tests etc) through their driving and motorcycle tests respectively.

223863 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Poppy, 5, #1307 of 2281 🔗

My first driving test I failed as I threatened too punch the examiner’s lights out he was just an arsehole.

My wife took 6 attempts to pass he bike test – problems with examiner, long, funny story.

Don’t worry about failing, just don’t give up.

223576 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 34, #1308 of 2281 🔗

I just cannot bear to listen to the lies coming out of Bozo’s orifice.

“No alternative to a lock down, nhs will be overrun, people in need won’t be able to get treatment etc etc.”

He’s despicable.

223583 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Margaret, 8, #1309 of 2281 🔗

He has just said that the measures will end on 2 December (but I cannot say that I found him convincing).

223588 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Steve Hayes, 8, #1310 of 2281 🔗

But just qualified that what happens after that will be put to a vote in the House. Just like this decision has been, presumably.

223590 ▶▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to Steve Hayes, 8, #1311 of 2281 🔗

Hardly surprising given he said regional lock-downs were the way to go only a few days ago.

223652 ▶▶▶ richmond, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #1312 of 2281 🔗

Everything he says is predicated on the idea that this is a deadly virus. In which case how can he predict anything?

223690 ▶▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #1313 of 2281 🔗

Which year?

223586 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Margaret, 9, #1314 of 2281 🔗

He is literally reading out the same guff he read out on Saturday, with the odd ‘Mr Speaker’ thrown in.

I notice Sunak doesn’t look comfortable. I wonder if the rows in Downing Street are still going on.

223602 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Ceriain, 12, #1315 of 2281 🔗

They must be a Conserative backbencher has just characterised the coronavirus measures as an authoritarianism that has violated the fundamental rights of the people.

223606 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1316 of 2281 🔗

Do they row? Because the press said they row? Good cop bad cop. Set up the next man.. another of their men.. a Goldman Sachs man. His wife put her staff at her luxury brand on furlough. I doubt it made him uncomfortable.

223609 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to chaos, 7, #1317 of 2281 🔗

Why do you think the weekend’s press statement was delayed and delayed and delayed?

223724 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nottingham69, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #1318 of 2281 🔗

To let the national news pile on more fear.

223625 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Margaret, 3, #1319 of 2281 🔗

Oh god is he making another speech?

223723 ▶▶ Nottingham69, replying to Margaret, 2, #1320 of 2281 🔗

A vile creature, if anything Starmer is worse.

223584 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 10, #1321 of 2281 🔗

Liam Fox asking Bozo if a committe should be formed to reassure the public that the cure is not worse than the disease. A bit of shy (yellow-bellied) scepticism?

223589 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Charlie Blue, #1322 of 2281 🔗

Liam fox that is pro GM

223647 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Charlie Blue, 6, #1323 of 2281 🔗

It was the reference to it being a Privy council committee that most interested me – and seemed to shock Boris

223669 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #1324 of 2281 🔗

Johnson thinks he’s top dog. That’s because he’s too lazy to read Bagehot. There is a constitution if people want to use it and sovereignty rests with the monarch-in-Parliament

223587 Pancho the Grey, replying to Pancho the Grey, 8, #1325 of 2281 🔗

“This ‘model’ would suggest that deaths will peak within a week or two, and after a month’s plateau at numbers between 250 and 300 per day, rapidly decline through December.”
Well, proving that lockdown worked is already in the bag.

223719 ▶▶ Nottingham69, replying to Pancho the Grey, #1326 of 2281 🔗

There are plenty of old deaths yet to use when they need an uptick for political purposes. Like last week.

223591 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 37, #1327 of 2281 🔗

Charles Walker “I will not be supporting the legislation on Wednesday… That is all I have got left….If My constituents protest they get arrested” Go Charles!
Sorry for all the posts but I need to share this with somebody and the dogs don’t really get it.

223607 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Charlie Blue, 10, #1328 of 2281 🔗

No problem – just let it all out!

223612 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Charlie Blue, 11, #1329 of 2281 🔗

Sorry for all the posts…

Don’t be. 🙂

223624 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Charlie Blue, 10, #1330 of 2281 🔗

He was very good when interviewed by John Craig on Sky earlier – he is genuine and passionate about this.

The prior question from Liam Fox was interesting – suggesting the establishing of a Privy council committee to investigate the response/data etc. Boris was noticeably ‘shocked’ by that. Suggest there might be something in the Queen arriving back in Windsor before lockdown??

223593 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 17, #1331 of 2281 🔗

Cheap tests! We’re saved!

He talks of attending your scans and appointments as normal. The fat twat is clearly not aware that the NHS has been cancelling those in the hundreds of thousands again.

223757 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1332 of 2281 🔗

Why would he be aware? I presume he goes to Harley Street.

223621 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 12, #1333 of 2281 🔗

Hot tip. Sunak gone by the end of the week

223634 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1334 of 2281 🔗

Can I sue if I lose the bet? (Don’t worry, the bet is only 10p)

223656 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Nick Rose, #1335 of 2281 🔗

I’ll stand you 10p.

223694 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Cecil B, #1336 of 2281 🔗

Aw, thanks.

223642 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Cecil B, 5, #1337 of 2281 🔗

Someone posted on Guido this morning to watch Sharma today. No signs of any resignations yet – early days I expect. Will Whitty and Vallance survive past tomorrow’s Science & Technology committee?

223683 ▶▶ Matt The Cat, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1338 of 2281 🔗

I heard that early yesterday. Also heard Sunak on the radio this morning vigorously defending Yeltsin’s “track record”, which was depressing. Doesn’t necessarily mean he’s not about to walk away, I suppose, just seems to make it a lot less likely in my book … We shall see!

223708 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Matt The Cat, #1339 of 2281 🔗

Is that a ” I have no intention of standing for PM ” support?

223953 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Cecil B, #1340 of 2281 🔗

I don’t know about that, but I thought he looked uncomfortable in the Commons.

We need at least one resignation to get it started.

I know how we all feel about politicians, but regardless of everything that these people (Cabinet and associated ministers) may have been offered, I cannot believe there is not a single one without a concience.

223622 A. Contrarian, 3, #1341 of 2281 🔗


Now all they need to do is work out that people can have T cell immunity without antibodies.

223626 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 12, #1342 of 2281 🔗

I don’t know about a second wave, but that was wave after wave of lies.

223643 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to OKUK, 1, #1343 of 2281 🔗

well stated

223627 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 15, #1344 of 2281 🔗

Boris has just said he will be happy to produce all the “data” that the decision has been based on. That should be very interesting.

223638 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #1345 of 2281 🔗

Hopefully that will be coming out at the Science & Technology committee tomorrow, with some heavy-handed questioning of Whitty and Vallance.

223654 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 4, #1346 of 2281 🔗

Greg Clarke has just mentioned this. Really hope he is sending a shot across the bows.

223655 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #1347 of 2281 🔗

I suspect there will be no scientific evidence presented, and there will be a lot of pseudoscience.

223707 ▶▶▶ Nottingham69, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #1348 of 2281 🔗

Have you seen that committee? When Carl Heneghan laid bare the quality of the PCR tests in the summer Dawn Butler was the most interesting questioner. Yes the others are that bad.

223763 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Steve Hayes, #1349 of 2281 🔗

That will be an interesting read – an easy to rip apart.

223635 Mabel Cow, replying to Mabel Cow, 15, #1350 of 2281 🔗

Laughing all the way to the concentration camp .

A gentle message for those Britons who just want to keep calm and carry on.

223661 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Mabel Cow, 3, #1351 of 2281 🔗

Keeping calm and carrying on is what we want people to do. People who wear masks are not keeping calm.

223636 chaos, replying to chaos, 4, #1352 of 2281 🔗

lol Starmer is whipping to vote for lockdown.

223641 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to chaos, 12, #1353 of 2281 🔗

Labour is no opposition party, they are as guilty as the conservatives

223761 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to chaos, 8, #1354 of 2281 🔗

Well he is the establishment’s choice and should be PM now but the brexit vote scuppered that.

His reward for refusing to prosecute Jimmy Saville and the grooming gangs when he was head of the CPS.

He’s a complete establishment c**t, bought and paid for.

223649 Caramel, 1, #1355 of 2281 🔗

Please try and give the original video clicks and not the from the co-immunity page on Youtube. I’m not pleased that they keep taking content and not crediting the creators.

223651 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1356 of 2281 🔗

All around the cobbler’s bench
The monkey chased the weasel,
The monkey thought ’twas all in fun
Pop! Goes the weasel.

I’ve no time to wait and sigh
No patience to wait ’til by and by
Kiss me quick, I’m off, goodbye!
Pop! Goes the weasel.

Half a pound of tupenny rice,
Half a pound of treacle.
That’s the way the money goes,
Pop! Goes the weasel.

I’ve no time to wait and sigh
No patience to wait ’til by and by
Kiss me quick, I’m off… Goodbye!
Pop! Goes the weasel.

223677 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, #1357 of 2281 🔗

Jimmy’s got the whoo  ping cough
And Timmy’s got the measles .
That’s the way the story goes,
Pop! goes the weasel.

223657 Paul, replying to Paul, 33, #1358 of 2281 🔗

My anger is rising to levels it has never reached before.We have just visited our friends and the husband,who has a compromised immune system is looking pretty ill,the reason is totally clear to me,he has suffering from intense mental stress due to the incessant overwhelming fear-mongering by the media.He is a bit older than us and from a generation that has always thought they could trust the media,especially the BBC,I have to admit for a large part of my life I trusted them to a certain extent too.
I’m not going to try and convince him that he doesn’t need to worry to the extent he is doing,I have first hand experience of mental illness as a patient and also as a long term carer for a close relative and just saying that what he is worrying about is not true will not help,it can make things even worse,the situation will need compassion and understanding if I am to help.
I am so angry at the mental torture that has,in my opinion,been deliberately inflicted on us all,as has been mentioned on here numerous times,it must be akin to a war crime.

223682 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Paul, 14, #1359 of 2281 🔗

I am pretty sure this is what my mum has. She has tummy issues anyway (diverticular) and holds herself very tense which probably exacerbates this. She has been on amytryptiline for a month or so because of the stress caused. But she keeps saying she ‘doesn’t feel right’ and can’t seem to explain it more than that.
I think maybe a different anxiety drug might be worth a try. I know some don’t agree with this on here but she does need to do something and her tummy is very sensitive. She has also lost her appetite.

She has gone for a swim for the first time since March today, and she loved it – she looked so much better when I picked her up afterwards. She is going tomorrow and on Wednesday and then the bastards take it away from her again. I am so angry like you. She isnt frightened of the virus – she understands that nothing makes sense and doesn’t believe all the bbc stuff. But she wants her life to be her own business. She says it is being taken from her. That is the cause of her stress and anxiety.
I will hate them for it forever.

223741 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to CGL, 14, #1360 of 2281 🔗

It’s the little things in life that can make the difference between living and just existing and all those things are being taken away from us.
Earlier a friend told me that she doesn’t expect or even want much,she just wants the freedom to do things that give her contentment,having her hair done,meeting a friend for lunch,a browse around the shops,I don’t think that is much for someone who has worked hard all of their life to ask.Those causing all of the misery have absolutely no idea about the lives of ordinary decent people and what matters to us.

223764 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to CGL, 6, #1361 of 2281 🔗

Both of you write to your MPs saying exactly that. Don’t bother with stats and tests, tell them your story. Make the bastards uncomfortable. Tug the heartstrings.

223781 ▶▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to thinkaboutit, 4, #1362 of 2281 🔗

I agree. When we send them facts and figures they barely understand them and just reply with meaningless factoids easily refuted. We have to shame them with personal stories of the real human cost, cancer deaths, suicides, etc.

223802 ▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to thinkaboutit, 2, #1363 of 2281 🔗

An MP with a heart…. a novel idea

223914 ▶▶ semper dissentio, replying to Paul, 2, #1364 of 2281 🔗

Likewise, I don’t think I have ever been so angry with this country’s politicians in my life.
This evening will be spent writing to my MP.
I bumped into one lady colleague’s husband the other day. We exchanged pleasantries and I expressed my frustration at all the restrictions we suffer here north of Hadrian’s Wall. His response was along the lines of ‘well the government has to protect us’.
He is lost. I once thought he had brains. No more. Definitely off the dinner list.
Another friend, when I goaded her by saying that social distancing requirements were ‘government boll0cks’, replied with “That’s a bit alt-right isn’t it?”
The fear is incredible.
I don’t think I have ever felt so contemptuous of other people I know, and that’s not a good thing. I ask myself how they can not see how rotten this all is, and there’s no comfortable answer. The best I can see is that they just accept what they’re told and don’t enquire, and are therefore perplexed by someone who dares to challenge any of it.

223658 chaos, replying to chaos, 82, #1365 of 2281 🔗

Thumb me up if you knew prior to covid that most people were a bit too trusting and lacked the ability to research and think for themselves about issues…

But you have been completely blown away during this pandemic by just how gullible and obedient and compliant and bed-wetting people actually are.. you thought most people were slow.. but now you wonder how these people ever managed to hold a job at all or drive a car or have a family or buy a house or put up a shelf…


223674 ▶▶ Matt The Cat, replying to chaos, 13, #1366 of 2281 🔗

It’s a thumbs-up from me, Chaos. I wonder how the hell most of these zombies manage to tie their own shoelaces each morning!

223679 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Matt The Cat, 10, #1367 of 2281 🔗

Haven’t you noticed there are hardly shoes which require laces? Because they are too dumb already.

223713 ▶▶▶▶ Matt The Cat, replying to Silke David, 8, #1368 of 2281 🔗

You could be right. I remember most of the kids in the, erm …. “lower” sets at my school tended to wear “slip-ons”.

223693 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Matt The Cat, 9, #1369 of 2281 🔗

This time next year they will not be able to afford shoes

They just don’t know it yet

223696 ▶▶▶▶ Kev, replying to Cecil B, 14, #1370 of 2281 🔗

They’ll get state supplied shoes, and very nice they’ll be too, like the NHS glasses.

223785 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Kev, 2, #1371 of 2281 🔗

What? the shoes will look like glasses?

I’ll give you £1m for 2% of the company

223734 ▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Matt The Cat, 3, #1372 of 2281 🔗

Always use the “Turquoise Turtle Knot”

223797 ▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to FenTyger, 2, #1373 of 2281 🔗

Ah! so you also know about the18th century campaign to prevent chelonians painting themselves blue

Top research

223769 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to chaos, 9, #1374 of 2281 🔗

It’s the trusting bit rather than being thick, stupid, dim or whatever label you feel applies. People can’t fathom their government would lie on such a grand scale and the fear tells them to obey their potential saviours. Do not question those who are only doing their best to save us all…this is the mindset.
They are the type of people who live in laddy-dah world where bad things aren’t considered and personal pleasure is the main focus. They don’t want to hear of ‘depressing’ issues and just want their minds filled with light and fluffy thoughts. They are informed because they watch ‘the news’ on a daily basis and that’s that.

223823 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Eddie, 4, #1375 of 2281 🔗

They also trust doctors. I’ve never understood why but to them, doctor knows best.

224669 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to bluemoon, 2, #1376 of 2281 🔗

The average doctor is a Covid believer.

224673 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Eddie, 2, #1377 of 2281 🔗

“People can’t fathom their government would lie on such a grand scale and the fear tells them to obey their potential saviours. Do not question those who are only doing their best to save us all…this is the mindset.”

In other words they are thick, stupid and dim.

223783 ▶▶ pmdl, replying to chaos, 6, #1378 of 2281 🔗

“Shortly, the public will be unable to reason or think for themselves. They’ll only be able to parrot the information they’ve been given on the previous night’s news.”
– Zbigniew Brzezinski

223660 chaos, replying to chaos, 9, #1379 of 2281 🔗

Everyone walking and driving past in masks.. it was starting to reverse..

Just crazy how people will yo yo their precautions, dance to the beat of msm. It’s a very clever virus.

223665 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to chaos, 6, #1380 of 2281 🔗

On the bright side most will die in the second wave

223671 ▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1381 of 2281 🔗

I’ve already been counted as two deaths, because I am overweight

223685 ▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to captainbeefheart, 4, #1382 of 2281 🔗

Thank you for your contribution to the Tractor production figures

223695 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to chaos, 2, #1383 of 2281 🔗

I sat on the park bench and watched the cars. 20 went past, one was masked. Would be interesting to see at other times of day. I’ll observe.

223662 Ricky R, replying to Ricky R, 23, #1384 of 2281 🔗

Just a quick update on my job situation I was celebrating on here a few days ago.

My new job is with a “non-essential business”. Yeah…

Emailed today asking how things would be going forward. Received a short reply saying they have no answers to give me at the current time. Locked down before officially signing the contract but accepted the offer through email. No clue if I’ll be furloughed or made redundant again.

Contacted my MP who was very apologetic but held that he had to support the Labour Party in a lockdown.

Things are looking very bleak for me I’m afraid.

223689 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Ricky R, 5, #1385 of 2281 🔗

Really sorry to hear that, Ricky. I can only suggest preparing mentally for the worst and hoping for the best. That’s my approach today. With you in spirit.

223750 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Ricky R, #1386 of 2281 🔗

Sorry to hear that. As for the MP. Is he aware that he is there to represent his constituents?

223755 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Ricky R, 2, #1387 of 2281 🔗

For all of us but you are not alone.

223664 Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 6, #1388 of 2281 🔗

Greg Clark just asked an interesting question ahead of Vallance and Whitty appearing in front of his committee tomorrow. In essence, ‘Is it the PM’s policy to have the least amount of restrictions consistent with controlling the virus and having the least amount of harm’. Boris said is was. This may well be a hook to skewer the hapless pair tomorrow.

223666 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 5, #1389 of 2281 🔗

They will just refer to their projections, and call them data, and pretend that lockdowns save those imaginary lives. They are practised pseudoscientists.

223697 ▶▶▶ Bill Hickling, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #1390 of 2281 🔗

Not projections, “scenarios” Steve. In my book that equates to pure guesswork but it is not because it is loaded guesswork they still want to scare us.

223701 ▶▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Bill Hickling, #1391 of 2281 🔗

It’s guesswork with formulas. The problem is it’s the formulas that give the illusion of well thought out reliable data.

223720 ▶▶▶▶ Kev, replying to Bill Hickling, 2, #1392 of 2281 🔗

They are contrived, and their quality is an absolute shambles, a fairly competent 6 year old could have done better.

And so many missed off the March to June segments which would have dwarfed the rises they were pushing, and the near horizontal rises now compared to the near vertical ones previously.

They should get Ivor Cummins to do the preserntations, his graphs are much better – in every way!

223754 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Steve Hayes, #1393 of 2281 🔗

All they have to do is quote Whitty and ask him WTF:

“If you look at the R, and the behaviours, quite a lot of the change that led to the R going below one occurred well before, or to some extent before, the 23rd, when the full lockdown started.”

21st July 2020 in the Parliamentary Committee hearing on Health and Social Care.

On video:


223912 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Awkward Git, #1394 of 2281 🔗

Quite right, AG, he did say that.

And then the bastard got away with lying the night when the tiers were announced (I think it was that night, I’m looking for the text) when he told the public (while showing a graph of the ‘first wave’), “You can see the graph falling here, due to the effect of the lockdown .” (Not an exact quote) A complete lie!

223995 ▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Ceriain, #1395 of 2281 🔗

So why will no-one, including Toby, report it?

224253 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Awkward Git, #1396 of 2281 🔗

I, grudgingly, owe Whitty an apology; I paraphrased slighty too much. 🙁

He showed a graph of the lastest ONS data (at the time) showing infections falling; his graph started at around April 30th. He said, “… the numbers of people with it went down really steadily through to the middle of June, thanks to the remarkable efforts of the entire nation .”

I still say he’s suggesting the lockdown did it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRC4RU1R7QE (about 8 minutes in)

223668 John Stone, 1, #1397 of 2281 🔗

My letter in on-line British Medical Journal just published:

This is not a rational basis on which to act Re: Covid-19: UK government must “get its act together” as modelling suggests 85 000 deaths in second wave, experts say Elisabeth Mahase. 371:doi 10.1136/bmj.m4242
Dear Editor
I also note the article by Carl Heneghan and Tom Jefferson in the Mail on Sunday based on the advice they delivered to the Prime Minister [1]:
“ Our strategy would be to tackle the four key failings. We must address the problems in the Government’s mass testing programme; we must tackle the blight of confused and contradictory statistics; we must make real efforts to protect and isolate those who are vulnerable; and we must inform the public about the true and quantifiable costs of lockdown…”
We are in an exceedingly dangerous position while we are at the mercy of endless worst case scenarios which do not have to be proven. Moreover, the wreckage of the policy is far more quantifiable than any benefit i.e we do not really either know how bad Covid is going to be or how much the policy will mitigate it, while we do know the catastrophic damage to everything else. To institute policy on this basis is without rationality.
[1] Carl Heneghan and Tom Jefferson, ‘There is another way to beat coronavirus, PM – and here it is…’, 31 October 2020, https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8900897/Oxford-experts-DR-TOM-J

223681 Anothersceptic2, replying to Anothersceptic2, 7, #1398 of 2281 🔗

So cases, admissions and deaths are all going down according to the figures. Tomorrow will give a clearer picture as we’re past weekend figures but it seems that things have started dropping since the 28th, that cannot be a coincedence, surely?

223687 ▶▶ Kev, replying to Anothersceptic2, 1, #1399 of 2281 🔗

Certainly not due to lockdown 2.0 that hasn’t even started yet. Its effect on those figures won’t be known for about 3 weeks.

223691 ▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Kev, 1, #1400 of 2281 🔗

Most countries seem to be showing reduced “cases”, I wonder how many of them published new or updated PCR test guidance within the last week…

223725 ▶▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Anothersceptic2, #1401 of 2281 🔗

Hi, Do you have links for the current (and previous) guidance? Ta

223893 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to FenTyger, 1, #1402 of 2281 🔗

I can’t find an equivalent guide from earlier in the year: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/cycle-threshold-ct-in-sars-cov-2-rt-pcr

223905 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Anothersceptic2, #1403 of 2281 🔗


223940 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Anothersceptic2, #1404 of 2281 🔗

What have we changed it from/to?

223684 Nick Rose, 18, #1405 of 2281 🔗

Tick. Tock. Tick. Tock…

223688 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 30, #1406 of 2281 🔗

It feels like hitting your head against a wall, why can’t people see the obvious. Going around muzzled when you can send your ‘deadly’ test result through the mail, you need a test to see if you have it, children told not to see their grandmother, when she’s still there, still healthy, waving through the window, etc etc, When you can shop with a LANYARD and not a MUZZLE, and SURVIVE, people have lost all sense of reason and logic. Walking around the garden centre today, like zombies in their muzzles, as if it was a plague.

223698 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Dan Clarke, 10, #1407 of 2281 🔗

It’s a cult, bring on the Kool Aid

223700 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Cecil B, 6, #1408 of 2281 🔗

Yes it is, but a cult they are forcing all of us to join

223709 ▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #1409 of 2281 🔗

You have a free will. You have a choice

223756 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Cecil B, #1410 of 2281 🔗


223715 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #1411 of 2281 🔗

why can’t people see the obvious

Because they allow others to think for them; in this case, Johnson & chums, their friends on social media, the ‘experts’ on the BBC and in the papers.

223729 ▶▶▶ Kev, replying to Ceriain, 9, #1412 of 2281 🔗

I know that around 85% of the population are incapable of critical independent thought, but FFS, at what point does the light come on?

I know I’m addressing the 15% here, so we all see it, and most of us have from the start.

Whatever the issue, you know its a lie when you’re told you can’t debate it, or there is a consensus or the science is set, because science just does not work that way, at least proper honest science.

223742 ▶▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Kev, 4, #1413 of 2281 🔗

These people are led. The light will never come on for themselves even when they’re sitting there jobless. Someone they trust has to tell them. I’ve said before, all it would take is for Stephen Fry to announce on prime time BBC that he thinks the Pandemic is over and it would all fall apart.

223798 ▶▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Kev, 3, #1414 of 2281 🔗

ONLY when it hits them financially, That’s all they care for – their children’s well being, suicides, no more retail sector, mass redundancies, no health service, no arts etc etc not so much. I cannot fathom how stupid people seem to be.

224047 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to KBuchanan, #1415 of 2281 🔗

Stupid and monumentally selfish.

223778 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #1416 of 2281 🔗

Give them a wide berth: those masks must be like pathogen porridge by now.

223794 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #1417 of 2281 🔗

Because most people think they might get it. Which is the biggest eye opener we all face. I saw my brother in law on Saturday and he looked worried. He’s 45 and “healthy” runs. Eats well. No family history. He thinks he is as vulnerable as an 80 year old….he seemed truly shocked when I explained he was wrong.

223851 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Leemc23, #1418 of 2281 🔗

They actually don’t seem as if they want positive news, they want the worst case scenario every time, and I suppose that’s what they’re getting from the government. Maybe we have a country full of nanny state hypochondriac’s now

223881 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Leemc23, #1419 of 2281 🔗

What a fucking idiot. Sorry I couldn’t help myself.

223692 Locked down and out, replying to Locked down and out, 5, #1420 of 2281 🔗

Infections still going down:
While we’re still hearing from the House of Commons, the new daily coronavirus figures have just been released by the government.
They show there have been a further 136 deaths, of people who had had a positive coronavirus test within the previous 28 days, bringing the total to 46,853.
There have been 18,950 new positive tests. It means 1,053,864 people in the UK have now tested positive for the virus since the pandemic began.

223702 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Locked down and out, 7, #1421 of 2281 🔗

If they go down again tomorrow how they can possibly justify locking up a whole country for a month? And they will go down I’m sure.

223706 ▶▶▶ davews, replying to Anothersceptic2, 6, #1422 of 2281 🔗

And still under 1% of the population tested positive. A lot of the media now seem coming out and questioning our infamous duo’s forecasts.

223716 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Anothersceptic2, 3, #1423 of 2281 🔗

But but but the model says 100,000 being infected per day!

223773 ▶▶▶▶ Hairy Bob, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1424 of 2281 🔗

See- lockdown is working already…

223790 ▶▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to A. Contrarian, #1425 of 2281 🔗

Imperial will ensure its not high enough and doom monger again next week to ensure that Dr Doom and his chum can pull some more funny faces on TV.

Halloween 2020 – two mad scientists and a mental patient on prime time BBC to tell the entire country of the doom we face ( if your other 80 ish with a couple of health issues )

223784 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Anothersceptic2, #1426 of 2281 🔗

I can’t imagine they go down on a Tuesday, they go up Tuesday by a large amount and I am sure they have about 100 stored up from September or before to throw on the bonfire. Either way, Imperial will ensure that they model badly enough to ensure they get another 100 million from Gates and co.

223836 ▶▶▶▶ Brian Bond, replying to Leemc23, #1427 of 2281 🔗

The magic number is 22,884, which was reported on 27 October, ie one week earlier. If tomorrow’s number is less than this, then the downward trend in the Gompertz curve continues.

223704 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Locked down and out, 3, #1428 of 2281 🔗

As its an Agenda, figures will either be manipulated or ignored

223712 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Locked down and out, 4, #1429 of 2281 🔗

It’s because the virus is so frightened at the prospect of the lockdown that it’s losing heart

223714 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Locked down and out, #1430 of 2281 🔗

Sorry, cross posted!

223737 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Locked down and out, #1431 of 2281 🔗

1 million plus people testing positive or 1 million plus positive tests?

223767 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Locked down and out, #1432 of 2281 🔗

Yep, probably 75% of those Covid deaths in reality have little or nothing to do with Covid or are simply displacing flu deaths, which is why we haven’t seen any rise in excess deaths – totally different from the Spring when we had over 60k excess deaths, Covid and non-Covid (the latter mostly related to the Lockdown Lunacy).

223807 ▶▶ Brian Bond, replying to Locked down and out, 2, #1433 of 2281 🔗

Yes, and 18,950 is the lowest positive PCR test number reported since 19 October, and the result is that the 7-day moving average falls by 277 from yesterday’s 23,016 to 22,739.

The 7-day average death count increases from 260 to 265 – a mere 1.9% increase.

So where are the signs of “doubling every 7 or 8 or 9 days” which we are being mendaciously told by the four horsemen of the apocalypse?

Indeed, what’s the point of the government publishing daily statistics, if SAGE can just invent some numbers with Mickey Mouse software applying basic algebraic calculations, but using input parameters that are clearly wrong. From my own experience this is typical behaviour for politically-motivated public health activists who are losing the argument – if the statistics don’t agree with your willful predictions, just create some new ones of your own, and hide their origin from well-deserved derision.

These people have the nerve to claim they are scientists. Don’t make me laugh!

223711 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 9, #1434 of 2281 🔗

18950 cases today. Poor showing for the week national lockdown is announced. Lowest daily reported cases since 19 Oct, two weeks ago. Presumably they’re saving some up for the vote on Wednesday.

This won’t be reported in the MSM of course.

223739 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to A. Contrarian, 9, #1435 of 2281 🔗

I presume MSM stands for mendacious suppliers of mush?

223780 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to A. Contrarian, 6, #1436 of 2281 🔗

But it’s down. Because of Reasons. And will be higher tomorrow because of you and me and our inability to do as we are told.

223717 peyrole, replying to peyrole, 14, #1437 of 2281 🔗

I tuned into the Johnson lies for about 5 mins. Couldn’t take anymore of the obvious ‘polite questions’ given to MPs on the screen, plus SNPs only bothered if Scots get furlough if their lockdown ends in Dec 21. You have to admit its clever, no pressure on him because the HoC is almost empty, this was thought through. Of course most MPs wouldn’t rock the boat anyway, they are only there because they are interested in power and the riches this job offers afterwards.
If the money keeps flowing from the magic tree, they will keep this going as long as is necessary to enact all the ‘NWO’ aims.
The only fly in the ointment is potentially an upset in the US elections ( again). And the more info coming from pennsylvania indicates it just might happen again.

223738 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to peyrole, 7, #1438 of 2281 🔗

Trump’s odds on Betfair have started to come in, although only a bit. Nate Silver seems to be suggesting it’s not the slam dunk he thought only last week. Fingers crossed for one of the biggest upsets vs the polls – well since 2016!

223846 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #1439 of 2281 🔗

I’ve seen some videos on the pollsters’ methods which were giving those absurd 10 to 15 points leads to Biden. They assume for instance that septugenarian, senile, no show Biden would do better getting the Democrat vote out than Obama or FDR! Fake Polls to match Fake News. Having done their best to demoralise Republicans, they are now giving much smaller leads to Biden, but probably still inflating the margins. Remember, Trump can lose the popular vote by 3% and still win the Electoral College.

223957 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #1440 of 2281 🔗

Anyone who thinks Trump isn’t going to win by the hugest amount ever in the history of America must be one of them dumb as shit left tossers. Though saying that i do love the sound of a lefty bleating in the morning

223728 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 24, #1441 of 2281 🔗

Great comment by NewlandsWanderer on mercola.com Mask article today

Mask wearing certainly helps – to dehumanize, to destroy smiles, to make people look like bank-robbers, or worse, zombies. The psychological effect goes much deeper – it makes people treat other “faceless” individuals like bio-hazards, prolongs the fear-mongering and intimidates those who choose not to wear a mask. Mask-wearing prevents real communication and with “social distancing” added, it is blindingly obvious that this is a Stasi-like psychological operation to subdue the populace and sow seeds of suspicion and division.

Divide and conquer on a global scale – except for a few exceptions like Sweden where deaths are down to virtually zero. And they NEVER WORE MASKS. They also kept their hospitals open whereas here in the UK we have lost thousands of extra lives through people being unable to access urgent treatment. : And it has always struck me that mask-wearers breathe their own germs back in, and if they sneeze – surely any spray that gets through the filter of the mask would be aerosol and more likely to be carried in the air.

It truly is insane here – not surprising I suppose with psychopaths and Big Pharma Reps in charge. Kids at school wearing masks so they don’t infect Granny. But Granny is locked away anyway in a Government sponsored zone of fear and emotional starvation. This is torture, treachery and betrayal dressed up as “keeping us safe”

There are many people speaking out about this – But Big Brother still has the megaphone. For now. Here are a couple of links, pushing back against mask-wearing: Judy Mikovits: twitter.com/…/1320123541380079617 Global Doctors: http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/group-of-doctors-masks-are-completely-irrele. .  And a brave athlete twitter.com/…/1323189690590265344

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224417 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Victoria, #1444 of 2281 🔗


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223736 John Stone, 10, #1445 of 2281 🔗

I believe we have an almost exact parallel with the WMD saga with the agenda being seized by an unprovable risk.

223747 sky_trees, replying to sky_trees, 45, #1446 of 2281 🔗

Stopped wearing a mask today. Felt a bit better.

223814 ▶▶ watashi, replying to sky_trees, 11, #1447 of 2281 🔗

glad for you. mask-free with 3 (unmasked of course!) children in
Halfords, TK maxx, Lidl, Boots and the library today. Lots of possibly
envious? looks. No questions asked.

223864 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to watashi, 4, #1448 of 2281 🔗

People do give you odd looks don’t they, what a difference a few months makes, who would have thought a whole face would have brought a reaction.

223830 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to sky_trees, 3, #1449 of 2281 🔗

Well done. 🙂

223973 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to sky_trees, 3, #1450 of 2281 🔗

Congratulations! and thank you. Every single person can make a difference.

224039 ▶▶ annie, replying to sky_trees, 2, #1451 of 2281 🔗

Enjoy breathing. It helps.

224603 ▶▶ DomW, replying to sky_trees, 1, #1452 of 2281 🔗

Welcome back to the world of smiles and free breathing!

223748 Brendon, 10, #1453 of 2281 🔗

I’ve just written to my MP as follows:

I wrote to you back in April asking you to bring pressure to bear on the Government to end the lockdown

I write again to urge you to oppose the Government’s decision to impose a second nationwide lockdown from Thursday November 5th

In England alone, there were 34,300 fatalities caused by the H1N1 flu pandemic in 2014/15, according to Government figures. To the best of my recollection, not a single shop, school or place of worship was shut. No NHS app was created, no question was asked in the House and no press conference, delivered by an ashen-faced Prime Minister, delayed the start of Strictly Come Dancing

I remember the 2015 H1N1 pandemic very clearly because I had to call an ambulance for a friend of mine who had succumbed to the disease. She was taken into the ICU and placed in an induced coma for several weeks. When she finally emerged from hospital months later, she was in a very fragile state, requiring 24-hour oxygen and constant nursing until she died in February 2018 just after her 50th birthday

For the life of me, I do not see how it is possible for the Government to have treated two pandemics of similar magnitude in terms of fatalities so differently

If pushed, I’ll accept that a 3-week lockdown in March was appropriate so that data could be gathered to properly assess Covid-19. However, given that no thought whatsoever was given to the likely consequences of a lengthy lockdown, the measure should have lasted no longer than 3 weeks

As the months progressed, it ought to have been blindingly obvious to any scientist worth her salt that the correct way of tackling Covid-19 was that of Sweden – along the lines of the much-maligned Great Barrington Declaration. Sweden (a more urbanised country than the UK) currently experiences a daily average of 2 Covid-19 fatalities and a forecast 8% loss of GDP this year, as opposed to an estimated 20% in the UK.

Moreover, its citizens will not have been reduced to fearful, frightened shadows

Do any of you in Westminster realise the damage you’ve inflicted upon this country? The millions of people whose businesses have failed, whose livelihoods have been lost, whose marriages have ended, whose mental and physical health has suffered, whose education has been disrupted, whose liberties have been trashed and whose lives have been ruined?

Earlier this year, a little cafe opened up in a street near me. I don’t know the proprietors personally, but I watched them decorate, refurbish and equip the premises, and their obvious pride when opening day came … only to be followed a week or two later by the lockdown. To their credit, they tried to keep things ticking over by offering takeaways when the lockdown eased, until such time as they were permitted to re-open

I hope against hope that this poor little business will survive after November 5th, but how many businesses will fail the length and breadth of the land because they cannot trade?

Take the case of another friend of mine. Around the start of the lockdown, she noticed a growth on her back which had started to bother her. She contacted her GP but, because of Covid-19 restrictions, she was only able to receive a telephone consultation. In the meantime, she was made redundant but, being a determined sort, found another job and embarked upon an extensive training course in mid-September

Just before the course started, she finally secured face-time with a doctor who did some tests. Half way through her course, she received a phone call to say that she has an advanced stage melanoma. She will undergo surgery on November 10th, assuming the operation is not cancelled as a result of the lockdown. The failure of a telephone consultation to assess her condition properly, and the consequential delay, is likely to have cost her very dearly

Look … this is no way to run a country. The Government cannot continue its fatuous, forlorn pursuit of Covid-19 to the exclusion of all else that makes life worth living

As Benjamin Franklin once remarked, ‘those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety’

As WHO envoy Dr David Nabarro said to Andrew Neil recently, ‘we really do appeal to all world leaders: stop using lockdown as your primary control method’

Therefore I urge, nay I implore you, to speak out on Wednesday against this misguided, myopic approach of the Government so that we may all begin the Herculean task of putting the country back together again

Yours sincerely

223749 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 8, #1454 of 2281 🔗

So, it’s blood, toil, tears and shite until Spring trips around again next year.

Locked down throughout the Brexit Crashout Implementation Period with the survivors to emerge, blinking, into the dystopian wasteland and blasted heath of the new normal sunlit uplands.

Will the survivors envy the dead, as used to be asked in another context?

223792 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Stuart, 5, #1455 of 2281 🔗

No no, you’re wrong, it’s going to be wonderful. Haven’t you seen the TV ads full of smiling workers urging us to get ready for leaving Europe?
My first thought was, how the f*ck can anyone get ready when we’re all locked down.

223857 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to bluemoon, 2, #1456 of 2281 🔗

Yeah but maybe they mean ‘get ready to get ready’?..

223752 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 34, #1457 of 2281 🔗

My letter went to my MP and all the 1922 committee. Plus I have sent to Starmer too earlier today. No way do Labour get any credit or support out of me for the rest of my days same as the Tories.

What astonishes me most is the mantra in parliament today about protecting lives over jobs. So unacceptable to let anyone die these days. Like death is a technical error and technology and big government hand in hand will save your life forever. It’s Fantasy. Never more so that using an ineffective NHS as a way of saving people. It’s never been very good and never ever will be. It’s not got the capacity necessary for the bloated population this small country carries. And it’s always always at “near capacity” as that’s how the fucking thing is run.

Civil unrest is coming. It’s the only logical reality and I will blame every idiot in a mask and every murderous bastard who pushed for lockdowns. This country is a socialist nightmare of epic proportions.

223766 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Leemc23, 4, #1458 of 2281 🔗

Sorry to disappoint but your letters will be filed under ‘B’

223774 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1459 of 2281 🔗

For Bin

Next time don’t waste your time.

Send the money for the stamps to me so I can buy half a loaf of bread

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