2020-11-03

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224734 Judy Watson, replying to Judy Watson, 17, #1 of 2928 🔗

Good morning everyone!

224736 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Judy Watson, 3, #2 of 2928 🔗

Good morning, Judy. 🙂

224747 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Judy Watson, 4, #3 of 2928 🔗

It’s still nighttime here, but good morning to you!

224752 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Judy Watson, 12, #4 of 2928 🔗

Still counts as the day before for me… still had no sleep 😭
Will the MPs vote down lockdown?
Will the whitty and vallance get their comeuppance?
Will Donald Trump win an undeniable majority?
…… what if none of these things happen…. the enfolding suffocation

224764 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Rosie, 27, #5 of 2928 🔗

If none if those things happens, we carry on the fight.
It’s only masked morons who will suffocate.

224772 ▶▶▶▶ Edward Lear, replying to annie, 26, #6 of 2928 🔗

I don’t think it’ll make any difference to what is planned when those two jokers go in front of the parliamentary committee. This is all about appearances and nothing else. They won’t back track because they think it’ll make them look stupid. They don’t seem to understand that most people think they’re all a pack of stupid fuckers anyway.

224875 ▶▶▶▶▶ paologrigio, replying to Edward Lear, 10, #7 of 2928 🔗

Hopefully though the PM will realise it’s too big a risk to be a stupid fucker by association. Why are they being thanked for agreeing to appear though? Surely they should be made to feel incredibly nervous (& more) that they are being held accountable for their data upon which many lives are at stake. Why are they being pandered to?

225195 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to paologrigio, 6, #8 of 2928 🔗

Johnson is too stupid to realise that.

224735 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 18, #10 of 2928 🔗

Carl Heneghan being sensible once again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0vL0281s5c

Saying that, I really do agree with Andre Walker’s comments at the end, though; Carl is being a tad too polite about Whitty and Vallance.

224745 ▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to Ceriain, 5, #11 of 2928 🔗

Listening to another Talk Radio interview with a Sage member, it seems that the main problem is not adding hospital beds, it’s getting trained doctors and nurses to work in them. There is a chronic shortage of doctors and nurses around the world at the moment for obvious reasons. So Nightingales or not, that’s why there’s a shortage of beds they couldn’t make up over the summer.

224746 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Sceptic Hank, 8, #12 of 2928 🔗

It’s certainly true that you couldn’t make it up

224849 ▶▶▶ Edward Lear, replying to Sceptic Hank, 30, #13 of 2928 🔗

This is what I find really annoying. The justification shifts everytime the logic of the argument is challenged. So first of all, it’s the old “the NHS will be overwhelmed”. Then, when it’s pointed out that in fact the NHS was not overwhelmed in the first “wave”, the argument shifts to, “well it wasn’t the autumn then and there was no added burden from other respiratory illnesses”. Then when people point out that actually every autumn brings these problems and COVID isn’t adding that much exta burden to account for the hysteria, we then get “We haven’t got the staff”. Well if there aren’t enought staff, why were the Nightingale hospitals even built? I can guaranteethat the next thing will be “Staff are off sick with stress and/or COVID”. And on and on and on………………. The truth is that the NHS management have not planned properly for this presumably because they’re too busy finding and paying for managment consultants to advise them!!!

224851 ▶▶▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to Edward Lear, 18, #14 of 2928 🔗

They were built for show, obviously. Or some idiot hadn’t worked out there were no staff to service them. I’d tick both boxes.

226536 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Sceptic Hank, #15 of 2928 🔗

Don’t forget the shortage of toilets, which means they could only be used for ambulant patients.

225168 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Edward Lear, 5, #16 of 2928 🔗

They have known about capacity problems since Event 201. Also every year we keep being told about their winter pressures but they have never put annual contingency plans in place.

226420 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Edward Lear, 6, #17 of 2928 🔗

If it is really as bad as they are making out, they should have been recruiting and training thousands of nursing auxiliaries, like they had in the First World War, to do basic tasks like washing and turning patients, in order to take the pressure off trained nurses. The NHS had at least a million volunteers (I was one of them) at the beginning of the panic, many would have been willing to do such work.

226605 ▶▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Cranmer, 5, #18 of 2928 🔗

Sceptic H is right. It was more trained critical care staff that were needed in ICU in spring.

Nowadays it’s health care assistants (HCAs) that do the vast majority of personal care and manual handling of patients on the wards. Not too tricky to recruit.

The government pay well for nurse training but the drop out rate is a scandal. Newly qualified nurses leave the job mainly due to stress caused by staff shortages. This caused by sick leave or vacant posts (I regularly covered another person’s work.)

Management was always incompetent & way too ‘top down’. The main problem which is so relevant right now with COVID is the risk averse culture and petty regulations.

227414 ▶▶▶▶ rose, replying to Edward Lear, #19 of 2928 🔗

And off because of trap and trace

224969 ▶▶▶ rose, replying to Sceptic Hank, 9, #20 of 2928 🔗

They have been short of doctors and nurses for many years?? Not long ago they ended bursaries for training nurses, I know that they had to reinstate this after a few years but ….?

225215 ▶▶▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to rose, 12, #21 of 2928 🔗

Exactly. Instead of paying to train our own young people they imported ready-trained ones from abroad. In a global crisis many have no doubt returned to their own countries and families and who can blame them?
It would not be difficult to pay all fees and living costs for students from British schools who undertook to work for a particular number of years – between 10 and 20, depending on the length and cost of the training – in the NHS. The money would be a loan which, after the required years were completed, would be written off.

225950 ▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to rose, 3, #22 of 2928 🔗

What do you expect it’s the Tories for you But it was Labour when Blair was Premier the privitisation started with the PFI debacle

225022 ▶▶▶ Foxglove, replying to Sceptic Hank, 19, #23 of 2928 🔗

If they paid nurses a bit more instead of wasting money on testing they would have enough to staff the empty beds. A trained nurse can earn more working at tescos and with better conditions.

225102 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Foxglove, 16, #24 of 2928 🔗

I think the better solution is to make redundant 60% of the tiers and tiers of overly paid non productive largely incompetent Managers in the NHS and shift the revenue to the front line. There are now nearly more managers than beds. Also there are enough qualified nurses and doctors out there but, the NHS not the Government has systematically reduced bed capacity knock on effect being the loss of all those medical jobs. We now have the lowesr number of acute beds in the developef world.

225800 ▶▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Jo Dominich -, 5, #25 of 2928 🔗

My local hospital Queens Romford spent £500-000 on artwork for some executives office

226434 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Adam, 2, #26 of 2928 🔗

And I bet it was some crap abstract thing as well.

227370 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Adam, #27 of 2928 🔗

Hi Adam that is shocking.

227564 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Jo Dominich, #28 of 2928 🔗

They did this when the hospital was put into special measures by the CQC

226545 ▶▶▶▶▶ chris c, replying to Jo Dominich -, 2, #29 of 2928 🔗

A nurse at a prestigious hospital once told me the dates when the number of managers exceeded that of nurses, and non-medically qualified staff outnumbered the medics.

Can’t remember the actual dates now but they were both way back in the eighties

225468 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Foxglove, 8, #30 of 2928 🔗

Foxglove, we have to rid ourselves of the delusion that Nurses are underpaid, they are not. In fact, they are very well paid and get the most extraordinary work benefits.

225155 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Sceptic Hank, 3, #31 of 2928 🔗

There is a chronic shortage of doctors and nurses around the world at the moment for obvious reasons.”

There may be a shortage, I don’t know, but what obvious reasons are these? Is covid having much of an impact on critical or general healthcare demand?

227268 ▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Sceptic Hank, #32 of 2928 🔗

They re-trained consultants and others in April to work in ICU (I know a couple). Why wasn’t that supply of extra ICU staff maintained and increased over the summer? The goon show predicted a 2nd wave in May. Public sector incompetence. If you have an increase in demand, you increase supply. Simple.

225943 ▶▶ Adam, replying to Ceriain, 5, #33 of 2928 🔗

Dr’s Heneghan Sikora Gupta or Yeadon should be in charge Johnson and Hancock should be dismissed immediately

226892 ▶▶ grammarschoolman, replying to Ceriain, #34 of 2928 🔗

Carl is a nice man – unlike his opponents.

224737 Judy Watson, replying to Judy Watson, 78, #35 of 2928 🔗

OK yesterday I had cause to go to see my local doctor (I live in Thailand)
No appointment – just walked in and wrote down my name – which is normal at this doctors.

The two reception staff/medicine dispensers were not wearing masks or gloves. neither was I asked what was wrong with me.

I sat and waited my turn – next to the lady who was before me.

Got called in to see the Doctor – he removed his mask when he saw me. I told him what was wrong and he examined me – no gloves worn.

He gave me a diagnosis and prescribed some medication which I picked up on my way out.

We had a chat about covid 19 and we were on the same wavelength.

When I read about the hassle people have just trying to see a doctor in the uk I realise how lucky I am here.

The cost of seeing the Doc was 5 quid.

224741 ▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to Judy Watson, 6, #36 of 2928 🔗

Where in Thailand? Sounds amazing.

224750 ▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Sceptic Hank, 11, #37 of 2928 🔗

The ghost island of Phuket

224754 ▶▶▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to Judy Watson, 2, #38 of 2928 🔗

Are you still closed off from tourism?

224774 ▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Sceptic Hank, 13, #39 of 2928 🔗

There has been a plan to admit carefully selected, documented, tested and monitored groups, from China and Scandinavia, for long-term stays starting with two weeks quarantine in hotels on Phuket, and with the promise that should even a single tourist test positive, the entire scheme will be abandoned. I’d love to know what kind of person would volunteer for such a hell. I stopped reading the Bangkok Post some time ago, coincidentally about the same time as I decided to stop banging my head against the wall, so I don’t know if the madcap scheme has made any progress towards its inevitable failure.

224788 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #40 of 2928 🔗

Totally bizarre

226441 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #41 of 2928 🔗

I have a friend who works for a ‘well known travel company’ who said they have been pushing for ‘quarantine holidays’ where tour groups are basically kept under lock and key in all-inclusive resorts.

224748 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Judy Watson, 21, #42 of 2928 🔗

At the height of the chaos, when even Thailand was under lockdown and curfew, I had occasion to go to a hospital and was expecting, well, chaos. Service was perfectly normal, no need to make an appointment for a chest specialist, just walked in, waited ten minutes, examined, got an x-ray, diagnosis all clear, on my way for £25.

224763 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Judy Watson, 41, #43 of 2928 🔗

I remember as a child just turning up at the GP waiting room and waiting your turn. If you were bed ridden Your Doctor would visit you on a ‘house call’ in the afternoon. Image.

224765 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 20, #44 of 2928 🔗

Yes, I remember my mother ushering in that sinister figure, bearing the horrid lollystick device for holding your tongue down.
I should have been a lot more grateful at the time!

226554 ▶▶▶▶ chris c, replying to annie, 1, #45 of 2928 🔗

And the bottle marked The Linctus

225519 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to karenovirus, 6, #46 of 2928 🔗

Yes I remember that too and it was the same 3 doctors year after year….happy days.

226447 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to karenovirus, 2, #47 of 2928 🔗

You still can walk in to my local practice in East Anglia – I think it’s probably one of the last in the country though. Last time I had a home visit from a GP was in 1991 when I had a suspected burst appendix.

226586 ▶▶▶▶ chris c, replying to Cranmer, 3, #48 of 2928 🔗

Ours also in East Anglia used to be good. Then it turned to absolute crap, The Receptionist decided if you could see a doctor or only a nuirse, and if you put in your repeat prescription too early it was delayed or cancelled altogether. If it took more than four weeks to get an appointment “The Coimputer” wouldn’t accept it. How it suddenly became that busy I know not. Three weeks was pretty much normal, you had to book in advance to become ill.

Then things suddenly improved for the patients and it was almost back to normal for a while, then all but three of the doctors left. Now I just avoid it altogether

224738 Chris John, replying to Chris John, 40, #49 of 2928 🔗

God speed Trump

224740 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Chris John, 1, #50 of 2928 🔗

Against this towering intellect, he hasn’t a chance. 😉

224766 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Ceriain, 13, #52 of 2928 🔗

Amazing!
If Covid makes you stupider, as the Grauniad asserted last week, then Biden must have had it at least ten times.

224930 ▶▶▶▶▶ LS99, replying to annie, 2, #53 of 2928 🔗

I wondered where my Mum had got that idea!

225402 ▶▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to annie, 1, #54 of 2928 🔗

Biden must be senile if he thinks Bush is still president

226108 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Adam, #55 of 2928 🔗

He is widely known to be senile. Less so that he is a nonce, but that’s growing too.

226903 ▶▶▶ grammarschoolman, replying to Ceriain, 1, #56 of 2928 🔗

If people vote for him, it’s because they’re actually voting for the VP woman.

226905 ▶▶▶▶ grammarschoolman, replying to grammarschoolman, 1, #57 of 2928 🔗

If people vote for Biden, that is.

227575 ▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to grammarschoolman, #58 of 2928 🔗

Kamala harris is hugely disliked by some people in America she acted like a dictator when she was a DA

224749 ▶▶ annie, replying to Chris John, 15, #59 of 2928 🔗

Amen to that.
I can’t believe I just said Amen to that.
Amen to that.

224825 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to annie, 2, #60 of 2928 🔗

Strange times indeed.

224871 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to annie, 10, #61 of 2928 🔗

President Reagan was widely derided for calling Princess Diana Princess David, but as became clear in due course, the poor man was actually suffering the early symptoms of dementia towards the end of his presidency. It seems incredible to think that the US electorate could be so dull-witted as to elect such a man, clearly not in control of his faculties, in the process handing the country over to the rest of the Democratic Party, which has presided over the destruction of so many cities and black neighbourhoods under the slogan of black lives mattering. Perhaps whichever way things go in America there will need to be a civil war. If so, I hope the Trumpist side is well organized.

226113 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #62 of 2928 🔗

Well, they’re armed to the teeth, include many vets, and know their constitution. Hence the demonising of militias, when in reality the militia is all American citizens.

227582 ▶▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to JohnB, #63 of 2928 🔗

Britain could learn a lot from America instead of standing in the rain waving chinese made Union flags at some old woman and her weirdo looking family born into privilege and entitlement don’t get me started why we still tolerate the outdated class system here, we need a written constitution and move forward as a nation

224739 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 24, #64 of 2928 🔗

Desmond Swayne gets it! Absolutley terrific!

Nice to see at least 1 MP who has looked at the data; he knows the pandemic peaked before the first lockdown.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrRRrjBODbI

224757 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Ceriain, 12, #65 of 2928 🔗

They all get it, but they are making too much money to let this shit show come to an end

226908 ▶▶▶ grammarschoolman, replying to Cecil B, 2, #66 of 2928 🔗

All the more impressive of Swayne to do the right thing regardless, then.

225071 ▶▶ Adam, replying to Ceriain, 8, #67 of 2928 🔗

Hopefully when Johnson and Co are forced out by the backbenchers Swayne will feature in the new administration

224743 Ceriain, 6, #68 of 2928 🔗

Toby, fix your commas in the first (excellent) article, mate. 😉

Something to note, if you are reading this. The government/PHE always quote the ‘reported date’ for number of deaths. The current average deaths (by date of death) – the correct number, in my opinion – is 222; that allows for a 5 day delay to let numbers catch up.

224744 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 25, #69 of 2928 🔗

https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/11/03/the-demonisation-of-lockdown-sceptics/

Support is growing, despite the sneers and slurs.

Yesterday, plumber called, wearing mask over his substantial beard, to investigate source of possible leak.

I advised him to remove it, as I live in a mask free zone.

He readily agreed, and I’m glad he did, as I had to listen carefully to his suggestions.

225074 ▶▶ Adam, replying to wendyk, 3, #70 of 2928 🔗

Good on you both I refuse to talk to people with those things on

226456 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to wendyk, 5, #71 of 2928 🔗

I had a plumber round a few weeks ago, masked up. After a while he used a rather odd turn of phrase, something like ‘what do you think about me wearing a mask’. I realised it was code for him asking if he could take it off, so I said ‘please do whatever makes you feel more comfortable’. He took the mask off with obvious relief, and said that some people he’d visited were terrified of the Covids being brought in.

224753 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 9, #72 of 2928 🔗

Ah! So they are cooking the books

Who knew?

224767 ▶▶ annie, replying to Cecil B, 4, #73 of 2928 🔗

Stewed to rags by now.

224852 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cecil B, 2, #74 of 2928 🔗

Feel like I’m back in my home country where cooking the books was so common especially during election time.

Now they’re doing it here too.

Jesus wept.

224755 Adamb, replying to Adamb, 6, #75 of 2928 🔗

I was surprised to read this:

If the Government is trying to persuade us that the traffic light system isn’t working, putting Liverpool in the spotlight is unwise since it shows that placing the city in Tier 3, which happened on October 14th, has significantly reduced the R number.

224792 ▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Adamb, 1, #76 of 2928 🔗

Yes, I also thought this.

224805 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Adamb, 21, #77 of 2928 🔗

But placing the city in Tier 3 has not reduced the R number. What has reduced it is that the virus quietly worked its way through the population in its usual way until local communal immunity began to emerge.

225084 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #78 of 2928 🔗

Exactly. According to that graph “cases” in Liverpool peaked on 9 October, before the start of Tier 3.

224815 ▶▶ matt, replying to Adamb, 6, #79 of 2928 🔗

Me too. Not sure it’s a good idea to give in on the tier system, in order to fight the national lockdown.

224866 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Adamb, 10, #80 of 2928 🔗

Has Toby had a brain fart? Or is it some weird attempt at a compromise position? Badly advised if so. If you concede that Tier 3 ‘works,’ it is logically unavoidable that more lockdown will work even better.

224756 Elenesse, replying to Elenesse, 59, #81 of 2928 🔗

I’ve just read that they intend to carry out mass testing on Liverpool first. This is nothing short of sinister, they really are looking for more positive cases to justify their sick agenda. I live there, I will not be tested. I’m perfectly healthy, I will carry on taking my vitamin D. What next, will they throw us into concentration camps for noncompliance?

224759 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Elenesse, 8, #82 of 2928 🔗

Don’t give them ideas

224778 ▶▶ Albie, replying to Elenesse, 19, #83 of 2928 🔗

The cases are coming down in Liverpool. But more people will be tested now thus increasing positive results, giving the incorrect impression it is on the rise in the city again, when it’s not.

224791 ▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Elenesse, 21, #84 of 2928 🔗

As I mentioned earlier, it was mentioned ensuring people isolate. What concerns me as the constant ‘project creep’ pattern this continues to follow. Accept one thing, then to get out of that accept another and so on. It’s like a Russian doll of coercion.

224929 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Elenesse, 17, #85 of 2928 🔗

The camps are coming for us dissenters, no doubt. We live under a dictatorship that takes it’s orders from people we’ve never heard of. Don’t complain though because you’d be a bigot or a racist or some kind of nasty person who actually deserves the camps. I know i deserve the camps.

225136 ▶▶ PaulH, replying to Elenesse, 14, #87 of 2928 🔗

Medical martial law.

The “conspiracy theorists” like James Corbett warned about that months ago.

It’s not looking like a conspiracy theory any more.

225180 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to PaulH, 2, #88 of 2928 🔗

Still looks much the same to me.

Still refusing to create an identity for yourself? I suppose you just don’t care how confusing it might be for readers.

226096 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to PaulH, 4, #89 of 2928 🔗

Icke, decades ago.

225483 ▶▶ right2question, replying to Elenesse, 9, #90 of 2928 🔗

i really hope the good people of liverpool don’t comply with this. i agree that it’s really sinister. army on the streets! testing that we already know just gives them data they can use to manipulate.

225722 ▶▶ JamesDrebin, replying to Elenesse, 8, #91 of 2928 🔗

RE: camps to concentrate the living biohazards formally known as “completely healthy people”… yes, that is indeed the plan. As David Davis said yesterday,

Most important of all, however, is the isolate policy. We currently do not have one. Telling people to stay at home if they are ill simply means that they infect their families, and possibly the supermarket assistant when they do their shopping.

And of course, not everybody who is infected obeys even those rules, and the probability is that even more will flout them after a year of Covid fatigue. So self-isolation at home will be even less effective this winter than last.

Every successful strategy to date has properly isolated the infected, and often their closest contacts as well. In Wuhan, the Chinese government created a number of Nightingale-style hospitals, and used them to immediately isolate those who tested positive, and those closest contacts thought most likely to be infected. It worked, as did similar approaches in other East Asian countries.

https://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2020/11/david-davis-we-are-on-course-to-be-trapped-in-never-ending-lockdowns-with-no-exit-route-here-is-an-alternative-policy.html

So yes, this isn’t going to get any better. Wilful ignoring of Sweden, and idolising Chinese responses instead. We have so much to look forward to in the coming “dark winter”.

224758 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 46, #92 of 2928 🔗

I honestly don’t know if Whitty, Vallance, SAGE et al are guilty merely of narrowmindedness, or incompetence, or some kind of self-interest veering towards conspiracy (I’m still in the “herd stupidity” camp), but considering how many will die and how much will be lost as a direct result of their dishonesty, it doesn’t matter. They should be tried for murder and treason.

224761 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 18, #93 of 2928 🔗

Follow the money

224790 ▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 26, #94 of 2928 🔗

Law suits coming in thick and fast all over the world now, some of them will get through and set precedents. Unless they’ve managed to bribe all the judges.

226475 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Sceptic Hank, 7, #95 of 2928 🔗

I do believe it’s all starting to crumble now, albeit slowly. My hairdresser today said there ‘wasn’t much point’ to the lockdown and that she was going to have her usual family Christmas no matter what.

224931 ▶▶ Biker, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 13, #96 of 2928 🔗

the pair of them fellows look like they feature in some interesting photos to me. They have no problem doing what the NWO asks of them

225139 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 9, #97 of 2928 🔗

Witless has a lucrative job with hey guess WHO at the end of his tenure and Unbalanced has personally invested £600,000 in a vaccine company. Powerful vested interests to protect.

226488 ▶▶ Michael Freeman, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #98 of 2928 🔗

Britain’s Chief Medical Advisor Who Ordered Lock Down Paid 5.6 MILLION by Vaccine Producer GSK – https://michaelzfreeman.org/britains-chief-medical-advisor-who-ordered-lock-down-paid-5-6-million-by-vaccine-producer-gsk/

226713 ▶▶ chris c, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #99 of 2928 🔗

“I honestly don’t know if Whitty, Vallance, SAGE et al are guilty merely of narrowmindedness, or incompetence, or some kind of self-interest veering towards conspiracy”

No-one said it can’t be all three

224760 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 20, #100 of 2928 🔗

‘Million mask’ demo planned for Trafalgar Square 6pm Friday

224769 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Cecil B, 4, #101 of 2928 🔗

Now that’s the kind of mask I like

225090 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Cecil B, 4, #102 of 2928 🔗

You mean Thursday.

224762 garry a, replying to garry a, 4, #103 of 2928 🔗

I think Toby has mis scribed two numbers in the David Livermore piece. 1. Surely it’s 570,000 infections per day rather than 57,000? 2. The 20,000 in bullet 5 should be 200,000? Apologies if I’m incorrect. If anyone knows how to contact Toby directly it might be worth checking my maths and dropping him a note to get those figures changed.

224770 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to garry a, 3, #104 of 2928 🔗

Commas have got in the wrong place, if you look carefully it says 57,0000

224889 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to garry a, 2, #105 of 2928 🔗

I sent an email to Ian Rons (the webmaster) earlier to ask him to fix it.

224768 Aslangeo, 4, #106 of 2928 🔗

Maximum daily fatalities per million per day – showing how implausible Witless and Unbalanced prediction of 4000 daily deaths in Britain is. about 3.5 times greater than the peak value for Britain in April and 1.4 times the peak value anywhere

corrected from previous version – decimal point in wrong place and fixed Mexico value
NB – based on daily reported deaths (I have tried to remove large catch up fatality reports) rather than actual date of death

224771 Nsklent, replying to Nsklent, 33, #107 of 2928 🔗

Just noted in the DT. Testing to be a way out of the lockdown- so here we go, lockdown was for 4 weeks … now testing as the only way out. People will be ‘offered’ a test, so if one refuses then what. Regular testing, weekly mentioned, ‘ensuring ‘ people isolate. How do you ensure … ? Lock them up, guard their house … weld them in as our leader seems to love what the Chinese do. Army to help with testing … mmm. Getting people used to the army on the street or is this pushing things a bit.

Note another irrational comment by Johnson – defeating infectious diseases as humanity always has done – so there’s no influenza, TB, or the myriad of other infectiois diseases. As he is now justifying testing because 8 out of 10 people are asumptomatic, does that not debunk his claim it is ‘deadly’, so deadly most people don’t know they have it. But guess that would be too much to expect an MP to throw his distorted, insane rhetoric back at him.

224831 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Nsklent, 10, #108 of 2928 🔗

Strange how much this government likes the way the Chinese do things.

224913 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Nsklent, 9, #109 of 2928 🔗

Someone should point out to Boris that 1.5 million people die each year from TB.
The online NHS training for infection prevention and control, makes the point that most people can have viral infections without knowing about it.

225471 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Nsklent, 6, #110 of 2928 🔗

I am in no doubt whatsoever that if you do not have any symptoms (strangely called being asymptomatic) then you quite obviously don’t have it, it’s the test result that’s a false-positive.

224773 Thomasina, replying to Thomasina, 16, #111 of 2928 🔗

Morning all – I applaud Nigel Farage for ‘attempting’ to change The Brexit Party into an anti-lockdown ‘Reform’ Party. Now his PR machine is fantastic and he spent most of his working life as an MEP and knew the EU inside out and completed his mission. BUT this time around unless he acquires the assistance of well known medics/scientists he will struggle with debates and discussions on the Coronavirus situation. It would be a lovely thought to team up with RecoverUK but these individuals probably wouldnt agree with Nigels general politics – as indeed Prof Gupta mentioned yesterday on TalkRadio although she thanked Mr Farage for his support as The Great Barrington Declaration is the basis for ‘Reforms’ anti-lockdown stance. Is Prof Carl Henegan anyway politically minded? I love that man and he really should be in charge of this nonsense. Dr Mike Yeadon lives in France and presumably is pro-EU, but it would be an excellent idea to persuade him to come out of retirement although he is doing his best to help but is being ignored. Shame on the GOV for putting their faith in The Chuckle Bros and their outdated projections and dismissing everybody else.

224781 ▶▶ Danny, replying to Thomasina, 27, #112 of 2928 🔗

As a (former) labour voter and passionate remain supporter myself, the idea of backing Farage is just further through the looking glass.

I now avoid the BBC and the guardian often in favour of the Telegraph and Mail which seem slightly more balanced in terms of Covid hysteria.

I admire political figures with courage such as Desmond Swain.

And in a choice tonight for the USA between Trump and Biden, between a man who was vilified for telling a frightened nation not to worry and showed them that (god forbid) most people with Covid, including overweight men in their 70s, are fine, and a man who wants masks and restrictions indefinitely?

I hope Trump wins!

As for Farage, again, in my opinion an opportunist media darling with some repellent views on race, but right now the voices of popular dissent are few and far between.

224786 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Danny, 8, #113 of 2928 🔗

Agree 100%

224796 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #114 of 2928 🔗

SNAP.

224942 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Danny, 8, #115 of 2928 🔗

The one thing about being a lefty there is a cure and it’s called growing up. Nothing cracks me up more than some fifty year old dumb fuck like Rich H still peddling their communist utopia like they’re Rick from the Young Ones. You should spend a year being embarrassed at being a lefty as penance then move on.

225682 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Biker, #116 of 2928 🔗

Thats what I did at about age 27 haha.

225070 ▶▶▶ John Mirra, replying to Danny, 1, #117 of 2928 🔗

Similar here. It’s mad to me that I am thinking positively of both Farage and Trump these days, never thought I’d consider putting support behind pro-brexit Farage or build-a-wall Trump. I guess that this will make me a right winger to those who don’t understand nuance.

225087 ▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Danny, 2, #118 of 2928 🔗

Forget brexit what should unite us is this wretched governments removal from office and making sure Labour is kept out of office also permanently https://www.sdp.org.uk

225167 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Danny, 8, #119 of 2928 🔗

As for Farage, again, in my opinion an opportunist media darling with some repellent views on race

This seems a little bizarre to me, since as far as I can see Farage’s views on race, insofar as they can be identified from his public utterances, are pretty mainstream and pretty anodyne. Granted, not remotely woke, but hardly someone who “hates people of different races because they are of different racial origin”.

Your ideas of what it takes for mere opinions to be “repellent” clearly differ greatly from mine. I suppose it’s a pretty subjective judgement – I could nowadays say that I find pro-lockdown views pretty repellent, but at least those actually amount to wanting to grossly breach fundamental liberties and inflict real, direct harm on people.

225685 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Mark, 7, #120 of 2928 🔗

Its always easy now to smear anyone who believes in manage immigration rather than unlimited illegal immigration as a racist. Labour and the tories have been doing it for years.

225634 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Danny, 2, #121 of 2928 🔗

Left versus right is only one classification, and there are others such as libertarian versus authoritarian. Nowadays the libertarian left seems to have almost disappeared from the actual parties so any libertarian leftists find themselves politically homeless. There is the libertarian right, the authoritarian right and the authoritarian left, and the authoritarians have the upper hand at present.

226726 ▶▶▶▶ chris c, replying to Edward, #122 of 2928 🔗

Yes, when I was young the right were the party of The Establishment and big business, and the left were for freedom.

Now it’s exactly the opposite way round

225676 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Danny, 2, #123 of 2928 🔗

Could you expand on these ‘repellent views on race’…as thats a rather serious claim?

224785 ▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to Thomasina, 23, #124 of 2928 🔗

My feeling is that this issue of freedom needs to be separated from leave vs remain and other culture wars – Personally I was Pro EU but accepted the referendum result – I do not like Farage at all but on this issue he is right

If pro freedom is associated deeply with any side of the culture war then winning people over would be much harder – unfortunately many people think as hominem rather than judging logic and facts

If we were to appeal to emotions – i would try to define lockdown enthusiasts as sadists – people who want to imprison you, want you to lose your job, your business and your home, want you not to be treated for any other illness such as cancer or strokes and die because of them, want you to suffer from a mental health crisis in order to comply with an ideology

The virus is serious – it does harm many and kills people particularly in certain groups (old people with co- morbidities) – but the response to it around the world is mass hysteria – it is pretty hard for people to realise that they had hysterically overreacted

224793 ▶▶▶ Danny, replying to Aslangeo, 15, #125 of 2928 🔗

Agree. Left, right, remain, leave etc, are all distractions from the bigger picture and take you down rabbit holes whenever trying to change minds on Covid. I suggest poster campaigns. Just the facts of mortality chances, in relation to both other years and other causes. No opinion. Let the facts do the work. It is astonishing how few people actually know them.

224947 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Danny, 7, #126 of 2928 🔗

Lefties always say left, right are all distractions. Somehow they feel they just can’t admit to themselves that liberty and freedom to choose your own way isn’t right wing like lefties claim, it’s just human. Lefties are always trying and failing to denigrate liberty. It’s one of the reasons i pity them.

224987 ▶▶▶▶▶ Danny, replying to Biker, 5, #127 of 2928 🔗

Biker. While I get your frustration, I do wish you wouldn’t lump all “lefties” together by accusing them of doing just that to anyone right wing. Labour and the so called left have acted disgracefully. But I would argue that they are not left. Anyway, my point still stands. This crisis of democracy should unite us all, and that is the absolute value of websites and forums like this. We must all stand together.

224999 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Danny, 8, #128 of 2928 🔗

left wing is support of government. There should be no government, you can’t herd humans and when we try it we end up with them facing me to do all sorts of shit. I will not unite with anyone who thinks like a lefty. The information is there for them to see their delusion but they willingly choose to oppress me. They are too fucking stupid to see it’s the opposite of what they believe. Left wing people are a direct threat to me, much more so than any virus. I’m never gonna stand with you because i’m a individual and don’t need anything from you except you to stay the fuck out my way with your bullshit. If you learn one thing it’s your live live it stop wanting others to do shit.

225703 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Biker, 1, #129 of 2928 🔗

I agree with you in many ways biker…but this stuff is so serious we may need the lefties with us on this so we can all get back to normal and scrapping with each other again on Brexit, immigration, tax etc!

226399 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Biker, #130 of 2928 🔗

Plus there is a place for anarchism…

226749 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ chris c, replying to David Grimbleby, 3, #131 of 2928 🔗

Long ago, a friend went to an Anarchists meeting. They spent the first half of the meeting debating whether or not to vote. Then they decided to vote on whether or not to vote. At that point he left and went down the pub

I think he was the true anarchist

226394 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Danny, #132 of 2928 🔗

Yes, and I consider myself a ‘ green’ and this gets all manner of conspiracy shit thrown at it now.

224836 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Aslangeo, 7, #133 of 2928 🔗

I like this one phrase you’ve said, “I would try to define lockdown enthusiasts as sadists”. Yes, exactly.

226002 ▶▶▶▶ Mutineer, replying to ConstantBees, 4, #134 of 2928 🔗

I’ve just returned home after a shopping trip without wearing a muzzle (coward that I am I wear an exemption lanyard) and one silly woman glared at me and even pulled her coat over her face as she passed me. She was wearing her muzzle under her nose! How I hate these hysterics. I call them collaborators.

225690 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Aslangeo, 2, #135 of 2928 🔗

Thats right…smearing people from the anti lockdown side for alleged racism etc is not going to get us anywhere. I am on the right but would welcome Jeremy Corbyn into the fold if he was able to agree with us.

224823 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Thomasina, 13, #136 of 2928 🔗

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

224835 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to p02099003, 12, #137 of 2928 🔗

Exactly. Which is why this former Guardian-reading leftie feels more comfortable associating with people here, regardless of (former?) political persuasion.

224847 ▶▶▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to ConstantBees, 6, #138 of 2928 🔗

I was a Guardian reading leftie until they turned rotten.

224936 ▶▶▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to Sceptic Hank, 3, #139 of 2928 🔗

Me three

225260 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Josephine K, replying to Melangell, 1, #140 of 2928 🔗

Me four

225707 ▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Sceptic Hank, 3, #141 of 2928 🔗

I was a Guardian reading leftie in my 20s…until I worked out that its views on crime,education etc worsened the lives of the very people they claimed to represent. It did not matter to them though as they were all privately educated and live in posh areas.

226653 ▶▶▶▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to Sceptic Hank, 2, #142 of 2928 🔗

I left Labour because of Corbyn and rejoined to vote for Starmer. I then left before they kicked me out for saying that mammals cannot change sex and women don’t have penises!
I still believe in fair pay for working people and properly funded public services; the economic position of the centre left, but I loathe identity politics. I have abandoned the Guardian altogether and now read the Telegraph and the Spectator.
None of this is new; I voted Tory in 1979 because Labour had abolished my grammar school. I don’t think I’ve moved; politics has changed around me.

226754 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ chris c, replying to Caroline Watson, #143 of 2928 🔗

“I don’t think I’ve moved; politics has changed around me.”

Yes!!!

224956 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to ConstantBees, 8, #144 of 2928 🔗

I’m quite left-wing in some ways, middle of the road in some ways, quite right-wing in some ways, and in a lot of other ways I think, “Hang on a minute, that left-wing and right-wing thing is based on the design of the French revolutionary parliament, so just maybe it isn’t all that relevant any more?”

224826 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to Thomasina, 14, #145 of 2928 🔗

If you are still thinking in terms of left n right at this stage it’s curtains I’m afraid.

224834 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Eddy, 5, #146 of 2928 🔗

Well, the participants on this board show that another way is possible. I think we’re mostly from the political persuasion formerly known as “the right”, but lots of us are from what was known as “the left.” Maybe we need a symbol like Prince had. Only one that springs to mind right now is the one-fingered salute we use in the States, but there are lots of creative minds here.

224950 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Eddy, 8, #147 of 2928 🔗

How? Lefties say right wing people are racist and all that jazz when i’m further to the right than Attila the Hun and i’m not racist in any way. I want freedom to choose my own life, that’s what so called right wingers want, lefties are pathetic weak people who lie about others to make themselves feel better because none of them can stand on their own two feet

224991 ▶▶▶ LS99, replying to Eddy, 4, #148 of 2928 🔗

Seems like just another way to divide us.

226765 ▶▶▶ chris c, replying to Eddy, #149 of 2928 🔗

“The American Eagle has a left wing and a right wing, and if those wings don;t beat together, the bird falls on its ass”

Uncle Dirty c. 1968

224775 Aslangeo, replying to Aslangeo, 117, #150 of 2928 🔗

Article about demonization of lockdown sceptics in spiked – https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/11/03/the-demonisation-of-lockdown-sceptics/

I was a child in the soviet Union and since coming to Britain as a teenager I fully appreciate what freedom is – never lose it

Anytime an opponent is vilified and smeared, rather than having their arguments countered fact by fact, it makes me think that the establishment has something to hide,
State owned media – like the BBC – can never really be trusted

I found the whole clap for carers an unpleasant and scary reminder of parts of my childhood under communism

I hope and pray that this dictatorial edifice will crumble – but fear that it may take some time – maybe we are beginning to witness a Ceaușescu moment?

224777 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Aslangeo, 54, #151 of 2928 🔗

I agree with you, especially about the clap for carers thing. There was something deeply sinister about that.

224824 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 27, #152 of 2928 🔗

In “1984” there was the two minute hate. However, love is hate. Therefore the two minute love clap is equivalent to Orwell’s 2 minute hate.

225017 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 20, #153 of 2928 🔗

The opening ceremony of the London Olympics looks like a prophecy now..

225535 ▶▶▶▶ right2question, replying to Carrie, 6, #154 of 2928 🔗

i seem to remember reading something about all the worrying symbolism of that at some point

226503 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to right2question, 8, #155 of 2928 🔗

I was living in Hungary when I watched that on TV. My former father-in -law, who was old enough (just) to remember the ’56 uprising against the Soviets, asked me ‘what on earth is all this propaganda for?’

227294 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to right2question, 1, #156 of 2928 🔗

Give it a watch, it’s on utube. Quite unsettling/frightening though.

225620 ▶▶▶▶ chris, replying to Carrie, 1, #157 of 2928 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-t0L7X11Rmw

just watch from 4.11 on, it might scare you.

225475 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #158 of 2928 🔗

Never did it myself.

227293 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #159 of 2928 🔗

Fucking right ! Especially when the whole neighbourhood (maybe 20 houses) gathered outside our house to clap. Chainsawing logs was a weird way to spend every Thursday evening …

224780 ▶▶ annie, replying to Aslangeo, 48, #160 of 2928 🔗

They’re going to clap for the war dead, apparently.
Cowardly, bedwetting, nappy-faced slave morons clapping men and women who died to keep us free.
I shall be sick.

224783 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to annie, 12, #161 of 2928 🔗

If they do that I shall take the government’s advice and retrain, as a terrorist.

224806 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to annie, 44, #162 of 2928 🔗

That’s certainly happening in our village. Glad I will be at work so I will miss it.

I will go to the village war memorial and lay a flower for my late grandfather and I will apologise to him. I am sure he didn’t fight in a world war and sustain injuries in order that his granddaughter would – 80 years later – be harrassed by the police and the authorities for merely attempting to earn a living.

225133 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to kh1485, 11, #163 of 2928 🔗

Why not put your sentiments on the flower’s label?

225239 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to PastImperfect, 10, #164 of 2928 🔗

Thanks, will do, that’s a great idea.

224832 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to annie, 5, #165 of 2928 🔗

That is so wrong on all levels!

224855 ▶▶▶ Commander Jameson, replying to annie, 13, #166 of 2928 🔗

How unwoke of them. It should be jazz hands, not clapping. Won’t someone think of all the snowflakes who are traumatised by clapping?

226511 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Commander Jameson, 2, #167 of 2928 🔗

Plus, all that clapping could be spreading the Covid into the air from people’s hands, and might get breathed in by someone’s nan, killing her instantly on the spot.

225720 ▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to annie, 12, #168 of 2928 🔗

I watched Saving Private Ryan recently. That seen at the start of the D-Day landings. I turned to my wife and said that we are now rewarding the last few people alive who were on those boats by isolating them in a care home and letting them die lonely, emotionally traumatic deaths whilst not being allowed to hold the hands of their children.

There is a war memorial about a mile from my house. I intend to go to it and provide a respectful minute’s silence on the 11th.

226527 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to kenadams, #169 of 2928 🔗

There’s a charity called John’s Campaign which is pushing for access rights to care homes. I’ve just chipped in a few quid for the reasons you mention. https://www.facebook.com/Johns-Campaign-1561603624080402/

224799 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Aslangeo, 24, #170 of 2928 🔗

At the moment, I’m reading Dmitri Trenin’s ‘Russia’; on page 115, this passage caught my attention:

‘This was the time of doublethink. Most people grew accustomed to saying directly opposite things in public and in private, never mixing their script.’

Our western democracies seem to be going rapidly in the same direction, thanks to Covid Derangement Syndrome, Woke Cancellation Culture , Expediency and the steady narrowing of the Overton Window.

My cynical view of this sorry state of affairs is that national mores and norms have become so distorted by the encroachment of technocracy, political correctness and emotional incontinence, the latter encouraged by our leaders,that we have now become essentially rudderless, open to assault by whoever can stage the most effective power grab.

Whether enough of us will have the courage and commitment to stem this tide and repudiate the ridicule, the ad hominem attacks and the stupidity ,remains to be seen.

I think it will only take on real force if sufficient numbers of the hitherto financially and socially secure discover that they too, are in the firing line.

224840 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to wendyk, 16, #171 of 2928 🔗

I’ve been on the Guardian again recently and have started advocating for closing universities and schools since commenters there insist it’s far too unsafe to teach students. Of course, adding that teachers, faculty, and staff should be furloughed, just like the rest of public-facing employees in this country is intended to annoy them. Maybe one or two will realise their hypocrisy and privilege.

224869 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to ConstantBees, 4, #172 of 2928 🔗

Well said!

224890 ▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to ConstantBees, 34, #173 of 2928 🔗

Good morning ConstantBees. I’m just having breakfast before setting off to pursue a morning of seeing students on campus as much as possible as normal. So far my students seem touchingly grateful that they can come to my office, enter, sit and talk to me. I am almost the last person working on campus in my humanities dept. Everyone else has crept home to stay safe.

224902 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Alethea, 22, #174 of 2928 🔗

You are safe, Alethea.. So are your students.
In fact, you are the only ones who are safe.
Safe from becoming zombies.

224959 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to annie, 19, #175 of 2928 🔗

And being around as many different people will keep your immune system working perfectly. This hiding away getting paid my tax dollars get sick as soon as they leave their bunkers and spread things around to more people. It’s the clown world you know. If the government says stay in to keep you safe you know you have to go out to be safe. They are always wrong. Every single thing shitbags like them, the BBC, the Guardian ever say is always, without exception the opposite . Im sure it’s a test

225721 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Biker, 4, #176 of 2928 🔗

If the teachers dont want to work see them as strikers and dont pay them. They dont mind the food workers staying working for them.

224940 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Alethea, 9, #177 of 2928 🔗

May the force be with you,Alethea; my customary salutation to brave sceptics.

225021 ▶▶▶▶▶ LS99, replying to Alethea, 7, #178 of 2928 🔗

Many in my profession have stayed online since March (as I will have to do again from Thursday) but I considered returning to face to face working to be part of what it is to be human. And btw, I think many have crept home because it’s more convenient for them. I suspect quite a few “staying safe” by working online throughout the Summer were more than happy to eat out to help out.

225725 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to LS99, 2, #179 of 2928 🔗

I can vouch for that from people I know (who longer longer speak to me…I am glad to say)

226677 ▶▶▶▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to Alethea, 1, #180 of 2928 🔗

I was on a Zoom call with other musicians on Sunday and a student said that his university had closed the practice rooms. What is the point of a music student being there if they can’t practice? Practising is usually done alone. They would be better off at home in most cases but universities appear to be keeping them prisoner.

224900 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to ConstantBees, 11, #181 of 2928 🔗

Prince William”s struggle with Covid in the spring has recently been publicised; is this an example of managed news to keep the public onside?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13080634/prince-william-secret-covid-battle/

Just a thought.

224934 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to wendyk, 21, #182 of 2928 🔗

I read yesterday that the palace didn’t want to alarm the public. I have news for them, I have more pressing things to worry about right now!

224938 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to kh1485, 6, #183 of 2928 🔗

Hear! Hear!

225132 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to kh1485, 8, #184 of 2928 🔗

So much for joined up government. Did they not get the memo about government policy being to increase fear levels in order to encourage compliance?

227594 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Mark, #185 of 2928 🔗

This government is as precise as autistic driving instructor

225388 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to kh1485, 7, #186 of 2928 🔗

I did feel a bit off myself, for a couple of days in early April. Being the stoical type I didn’t even mention it to anyone, not even the dog, as I didn’t want to worry him. He might just have suspected something, when I laboured, rather slower than normal, up to the local trig point, but if he did he kept it to himself.

226534 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to kh1485, 1, #187 of 2928 🔗

I’d only start worrying if the line of succession somehow changed to King Harry and Queen Meghan of Markles.

224943 ▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to wendyk, 10, #188 of 2928 🔗

Of course it is! Sounds like the bloke felt pretty rough for a week and took to his bed. We’ve all been there. Complete non-story that will be lapped up by the masses.

224964 ▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to wendyk, 1, #189 of 2928 🔗

Fuck Prince William and the rest of them inbred tax payer money leeching tossers. At least Prince Andrew is a decent sort though. Top bloke. Likes them young i’ve heard, well who doesn’t like them young, tight flesh that keeps greasy so it goes down easy, mmmm i’m getting a tingly feeling just thinking about it. Bloke was just put off by the smell of lube. Just the other side of 16 mind you wouldn’t want folk to think you were a pervert would you?

225098 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Biker, 2, #190 of 2928 🔗

I am glad there are others out there like me who thinks monarchies are nonsense, We should be a federal republic like Germany with written constitution

227084 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to Adam, #191 of 2928 🔗

Where the Wittelsbachs still receive state funding as compensation for giving up the Bavarian monarchy in 1918?

https://www.castleholic.com/2020/01/the-wittelsbacher-ausgleichsfonds-or.html

225101 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Biker, 4, #192 of 2928 🔗

🤢

225095 ▶▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to wendyk, 6, #193 of 2928 🔗

Can’t stand the Royals absolute waste of space time We became a republic were everyone is equal

225131 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Adam, 2, #194 of 2928 🔗

I absolutely agree but who would we get? President Blair? Starmer? Johnson?

They are a costly waste of space and the adulation makes me cringe but I wonder how a workable republic with an acceptable and plausible leader could be established.

226867 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to wendyk, #195 of 2928 🔗

The classic trope that a presidency would be a US style executive president. Most European countries have a ceremonial head of state with limited executive powers (France being the notable exception).

227597 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to wendyk, #196 of 2928 🔗

God no none of those imbeciles as president I would emigrate if any of those won

225643 ▶▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to wendyk, 5, #197 of 2928 🔗

I thought he and Kate wore masks all the time? Looks like masks don’t work – but we know that already!

225683 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to wendyk, 2, #198 of 2928 🔗

Yes.

224830 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Aslangeo, 20, #199 of 2928 🔗

Hear, hear!! I was a child under a dictatorship and of course parts of the culture I grew up in were authoritarian.

That’s why I appreciate freedom and know that its something to be always safeguarded, never to be taken for granted.

Never clapped for the NHS and thought that it was distasteful and sinister.

Methinks the tide is turning and people are not as ready to acquiesce as they were back in March.

226609 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Bart Simpson, #200 of 2928 🔗

The ‘all NHS workers are heroes’ stuff certainly doesn’t seem to be as prevalent this time. The general attitude seems to be that lockdown is tedious but necessary.

226039 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to Aslangeo, 10, #201 of 2928 🔗

I admit it, I clapped. I was gullible thinking that our public servants would never do anything like this to their own people.

It’s been a massive eye opener for me.

Two weeks ago I lost my business and two days after that my business partner committed suicide not because of covid but because of all the hysteria and rules that ruined our year old business.

I now find myself £400k in debt, there is a way out of most of it though. My business partner’s daughter has come to live with my family with her boyfriend, she has nobody else.

I’m only human but I’m mad as hell now! How dare these bastards do this to my friends and family?! How dare they do this to my country?!

Do they realise that if they take everything away from somebody that they then have nothing to lose? Look at how hard the Japanese fought on the war, or how Jihadi’s fight, we will soon be in this position, many hundreds of thousands of us. An army of us. An out of control nothing to lose army. If I was them I’d be very afraid.

226622 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Arnie, #202 of 2928 🔗

There’s an apocalyptic book called The Death of Grass by John Christopher in which most of the world is hit by famine. The British government orders the RAF to carpet-bomb most of the major cities in order to reduce the population to a manageable level. At the time I thought that was ludicrous but nothing would surprise me now!

227440 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Aslangeo, #203 of 2928 🔗

Excellent comment.

224776 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 20, #204 of 2928 🔗

Morning. Is the pig dictator still spouting hogwash?

224784 ▶▶ annie, replying to Cecil B, 8, #205 of 2928 🔗

I’m having a bacon sandwich for breakfast.
That is the destiny of pigs.
Though some are unfit for human consumption.

224897 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to annie, 4, #206 of 2928 🔗

PS. It was a good sandwich.
The pig dictator wouldn’t make a half-way decent sandwich.Euch.

225485 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to annie, 2, #207 of 2928 🔗

Annie, that’s the first hearty good laugh I have had since Saturday! Oh the imagery!

224893 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Cecil B, 3, #208 of 2928 🔗

wallowing in it up to his chitterlings

224779 ConstantBees, 5, #209 of 2928 🔗

The Guardian recognises the existence of T-cell immunity:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/02/t-cell-covid-immunity-present-in-adults-six-months-after-first-infection

Comments not permitted.

224782 Laurence, replying to Laurence, 6, #210 of 2928 🔗

Response to DJAustin from yesterday’s chain.

You’ve missed a fundamental point which I raised yesterday. You say that, in respect of the Gompertz curve and similar: “…t he shapes can be interpreted as either changes in contacts OR less likelihood of transmitting infections”, by which I presume you mean the reduction in deaths may either be the result of some type of innate resistance in the population or of the lockdown.

If you take the two hypotheses then clearly the innate resistance explanation is the correct one for at least three reasons:

i) the graphs of deaths in virtually every country including those such as Sweden where there was no lockdown, and similarly some US states were very similar (arguably Sweden declined slightly slower and arguably that’s why it’s doing better now)

ii) there was virtually no effect on the flu/pneumonia death figures (as a percentage of the 5 year average) from the lockdown. it would be odd if the lockdown affected one virus one way and other viruses the other way, after all the viruses don’t know if they’re being targeted.

iii) if there was no innate immunity then why did the virus only affect 10% (or as I think 20-25%) of the population, not just here but Italy, Spain, France, Sweden, Brazil, NY, Florida, Peru etc etc. All death rates are around 500-1000 in the highly affected (and reliable disclosure) countries.

It involves a huge contortion of logic to see this any other way. I think, taking the above three points, the probability of the reduction in contacts having any meaningful effect is so low as to be effectively zero. The only other possibility is that 90% of people have been affected but nearly all asymptomatic and the IFR is much much lower, but nobody is suggesting this and it would be great news if it were true.

I think it’s time for you to accept the self-evident truth of the above, and that the GB declaration (mainly, there are a few bits which are too soft) is based on an extremely well verified position, and therefore please sign it, and let me and any other readers (if we have any) know if and when you have.

224794 ▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to Laurence, 5, #211 of 2928 🔗

I think in Sweden only about 1% of the population was recorded as infected and yet they have ‘let it rip’. I have used this argument with the doubters and yet they still think it will kill us all. Cognitive Dissonance.

224800 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Sceptic Hank, 13, #212 of 2928 🔗

“They just want to let it rip” is the strawiest straw man argument since the Straw Man in The Wizard of Oz said “I’m an argument.”

224899 ▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #213 of 2928 🔗

very yellow, very crispy. Very dry. Pointy-ended. Rustling.

224801 ▶▶▶ Laurence, replying to Sceptic Hank, 9, #214 of 2928 🔗

cognitive dissonance absolutely. 237 people under 60 have died in sweden over the whole situation. People say one thing and act according on a completely different basis. i think most people realise this is not dangerous except to the very old

224845 ▶▶▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to Laurence, 5, #215 of 2928 🔗

I think it’s only 300 in the UK under 60 (without comorbidities)

226738 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Sceptic Hank, #216 of 2928 🔗

Would it not be more accurate to say ‘without known comorbidities’? Unless a post-mortem is carried out on all of them (which I highly doubt). Even then there might be something undetected. If the Covids was killing otherwise healthy people we would know about it by now.

226806 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ chris c, replying to Cranmer, #217 of 2928 🔗

Yes.

I wish I could remember who first said that Covid worked like an amplifier – if you were going to die soon it made you die sooner, if you were already ill it made you more ill, if you were healthy it might make you cough a bit, or not even that.

IMO the important thing is to not be ill in the first place so it can’t get you. Unfortunately being ill seems to be the default nowadays

224877 ▶▶ Commander Jameson, replying to Laurence, 3, #218 of 2928 🔗

The Gompertz curve happens because populations are not homogeneous. A new agent can spread more or less unrestricted through a naive population, and does so. At some point the number of people with a degree of immunity is such, _relative_ to the number of currently infectious people, that the outbreak slows, and eventually turns a corner. The slow, almost straight decline from the peak is also becuase of the non homogeneity of populations. You get an ever decreasing number of ever smaller and ever more localised outbreaks in areas that still don’t have much community immunity because for whatever reason they never got exposed to infected individuals.

225025 ▶▶ djaustin, replying to Laurence, -4, #219 of 2928 🔗

ITU occupancy with COVID is rising in Sweden at about the same rate as Norway, Finland and Denmark. Deaths will surely follow, just as they have in the UK and everywhere else. There is no exceptionalism, and there is limited evidence of population immunity from a first wave of infections. The null hypothesis is that a relatively small fraction of the population have experienced the infection and when contacts go up, transmission rises, hospital admissions rise, ITU occupancy rises and deaths rise. That is the universal pattern across all of Europe. In coutries that did well to protect their vulnerable in the first wave, and in countries that did less well. If the infection has “burnt out” in Sweden, why would ITU occupancy be rising on a background of mass immunity? The GB is based on a false premise regarding immunity and protection. I won’t be signing it. Give me a testable hypothesis.

Sweden https://portal.icuregswe.org/siri/report/corona.covid-dagligen
Europe https://ourworldindata.org/covid-hospitalizations

225060 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to djaustin, 2, #220 of 2928 🔗

I suggest you listen to the Tegnell interview Toby posted a link to yesterday – recorded very recently. Tegnell tells you what is really happening and what they predict…

225120 ▶▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to Carrie, -1, #221 of 2928 🔗

The plot shows what is happening. It looks like everywhere else. ITU admissions are rising. Much slower than in March, but rising. Deaths will follow. Not doom and gloom 4000/day (absolute nonsense prediction btw), but they are rising in a population that therefore cannot have reached immunity.

225740 ▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to djaustin, 4, #222 of 2928 🔗

People die pal…get over it…you will one day too.

226824 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ chris c, replying to Borisbullshit, 1, #223 of 2928 🔗

Around 1600 people die every day. 200 – 300 are “from” covid (debatable) so 1300 – 1400 aren’t. Maybe we should stop that right now.

227531 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to Borisbullshit, #224 of 2928 🔗

Of course they do. The issue is when they start to die in much greater numbers than normal!

227501 ▶▶▶▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to djaustin, #225 of 2928 🔗

ONS age-standardised mortality rates, per 100,000 people, standardised to the 2013 European Standard Population, deaths registered between 1 January and 31 July 2001 to 2020, England.

Year    England
2001   1272.2
2002   1256.4
2003   1232.6
2004   1178.4
2005   1181.3
2006   1147.9
2007   1115.1
2008   1100.4
2009   1057.7
2010   1023.5
2011    993.9
2012   1009.0
2013   1032.6
2014   954.4
2015   1038.0
2016   981.8
2017   987.4
2018   1021.2
2019   936.5
2020   1102.9

Source: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/monthlymortalityanalysisenglandandwales/july2020#deaths-registered-in-the-year-to-date

“Monthly rates in this bulletin are adjusted to allow for comparisons with annual rates.”

227547 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to DeepBlueYonder, #226 of 2928 🔗

Deaths for Week 43,week ending 11 days ago were 700 higher than any date in the past 10 years. They’ll go a bit higher still for a couple of weeks yet. Adjusting for population size does not change the picture. We’ll see about 20% higher than normal

Week 43 England and Wales
2010   9275
2011   9139
2012   9550
2013   9236
2014   9603
2015   9711
2016   9724
2017   9739
2018   9603
2019   10021
2020   10739

225860 ▶▶▶ Laurence, replying to djaustin, 2, #227 of 2928 🔗

So you accept the concept of immunity by implication (you say that a small fraction of the population have experienced the infection, presumably implying that if more had been there would be more immunity) – it is just a question of how much immunity there is.

You say there was no inherent immunity but that Sweden had only a small number of people infected because of what reason ? the virus didn’t want to infect too many people as it was only the first wave and it was saving itself for later ??

You then ignore the fact that the lockdown achieved virtually nothing if anything  at all (compare Sweden to UK, Spain, France, Italy, Belgium etc; compare Peru to Brazil).

You ignore the fact that the lockdown did virtually nothing for flu/ pneumonia, so was it an intelligent virus that knew we were targeting it alone ?

You then tell me that Sweden is going to have a bad ‘second wave’ because presumably that’s what the virus has been saving itself for.

Forgive me if I don’t think you’ve thought about this very deeply !

225939 ▶▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to Laurence, #228 of 2928 🔗

Yes of course I accept the concept of immunity. But not lifelong sterile immunity from a single infection (as per measles). Coronaviruses infect typically about every 24 months on a seasonal basis. Morbidity from subsequent infections will hopefully decline (antibody enhanced disease has been noted for some viral infections though e.g. Dengue). Lockdown achieved a negative growth rate for the epidemic, and I am also very happy to accept that general behaviors also contributed prior to THE DATE. Influenza showed very little in the Southern hemisphere during their lockdown, and one would expect similar in the Northern under the same circumstances.

I did not say Sweden would be hit with a “bad” wave. I merely pointed out that cases, hospitalisations and ITU occupancy are all rising in line with their neighbours. There is little exceptionalism here, little population protection. Deaths will follow. Why would that be the case in a population with “herd immunity” from a first epidemic? That must surely be one of the strongest predictions of mass immunity – that one can increase contacts but not increase transmission rates. I’ve not seen it yet. In any country.

226683 ▶▶▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to djaustin, 2, #229 of 2928 🔗

A hairsplitting exercise. For those of us who live in the real world, these are variances between the unnoticble and the insignificant. “Send the scientists back to their Labs.” Maureen Eames.

226766 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to BJJ, 2, #230 of 2928 🔗

It’s the modern equivalent of medieval theologians debating how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

227292 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Laurence, replying to Cranmer, #231 of 2928 🔗

Mr Austin

I think this sums things up in a very concise way. you are counting angels dancing on pinheads and for some reason you are scared to admit the blindingly obvious, so you continue to count the angels.

227290 ▶▶▶▶▶ Laurence, replying to djaustin, #232 of 2928 🔗

Apologies for the long delay in responding. However, you claim you have seen no evidence of mass immunity. So why did Covid virtually stop in April/ May in the UK, France, Italy, Sweden, New York etc. Did it just get bored and decide to wait for the second wave ?

It was clearly not seasonal as that wouldn’t explain Florida for example, and the flu/pneumonia continued to kill.

Now it’s doing what every good virus should do with the so-called ‘second wave’ and going after the bits missed first time round (and I’m sure you have seen the overwhelming evidence that a huge part of this is false positives who die of other causes, or do I have to go back to first principles and explain that too ? Hint: start off by looking at the NYT article of 29/8/20 and work from there). For example and putting that obvious issue aside we now see that London death figures are consistently about half those for the rest of the country having been far worse in the real pandemic.

227541 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to Laurence, #233 of 2928 🔗

Contact restriction works. Take it away and spread comes back. I’d have thought that was obvious. It also reduces influenza transmission too. As noted in Southern Hemisphere countries. London had greater benefit by starting the second wave from a much lower incidence in September. Growth rate of admissions is not so different from elsewhere.

224787 annie, replying to annie, 17, #234 of 2928 🔗

What’s the point of trying to adjust the Evil Duo’s death figures when there’s absolutely no guarantee that any of the victims they either count or invent actually died of Covid?

224803 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, 18, #235 of 2928 🔗

I still remember very early into lockdown a key worker young woman telling me of her sisters stillborn child being labelled Covid dead.
The father in law was someone ‘high in the military’ who brought pressure to bare to alter that.

224842 ▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to annie, 14, #236 of 2928 🔗

This is the beauty of this scam. There’s no way of proving anything unless the hospitals record this accurately. It’s a pity we can’t just get one whistleblower in a hospital to take notes. It could be illuminating.

225901 ▶▶▶ TT, replying to Sceptic Hank, 2, #237 of 2928 🔗

And just when the C-stats were starting to look insignificant, flu and pneumonia was somehow eradicated and Covid admissions started soaring again. Still haven’t seen any sensible explanation as to how they differentiate between these various respiratory illnesses, especially since just about anybody tests positive these days (I’ve know of exactly two people who actually had Covid – equivalent to a 2-week bout of flu – back in March, but in the last month scores of people I know personally tested positive yet never experienced any symptoms at all… not much of a sttretch then to imagine how many flu or pneumonia victims will also test postiive and get added to the numbers).

224789 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 7, #238 of 2928 🔗

I see Liverpool have the mass testing being rolled out by army. Many saying it is a DNA grab. Why would they want our DNA, if this were true? What would they do with it or use it for?

224795 ▶▶ 2 pence, replying to Country Mumkin, 9, #239 of 2928 🔗

Digital ID ?

224797 ▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to Country Mumkin, 9, #240 of 2928 🔗

I believe they have been trying to get our DNA for years. It makes it easier for them to identify, track, trace our movements, although there may be more sinister motives I don’t know about.

225492 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Sceptic Hank, 2, #242 of 2928 🔗

I think you’ll find that from 9th October or thereabouts, a little known regulation was niftily sneaked through which is that all people having a Covid test will also have their DNA extracted (without their knowledge or consent) and it will be placed, allegedly, on the National DNA Database which, if course, is the Police National Database. Worrying times indeed.

224827 ▶▶ Jonathan Smith, replying to Country Mumkin, #243 of 2928 🔗

Who are the many saying this?

225014 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Country Mumkin, 5, #244 of 2928 🔗

It is GOLD for Pharma companies..

Also insurance companies, eugenicists, all medics, vaccine developers, advertisers..

225099 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #245 of 2928 🔗

Authoritarians love the idea of the state and police having a full register of the population and its dna, because it makes controlling people and enforcing rules much easier. The police have always been rather obviously keen to take dna samples at every opportunity and hold on the them desperately as much as they can get away with, for that reason.

It also would be valuable information for all kinds of corporate moneypiles, but whether you take that seriously as a motivation for government probably depends how generally conspiratorial you are.

225210 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Country Mumkin, #246 of 2928 🔗

I can’t see scousers having anything to do with this.

225661 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to David Grimbleby, 1, #247 of 2928 🔗

Sadly, LFC have not been great – ‘Support Us at Home’ banners, ffs.

224798 Jonny Hotrod, 1, #248 of 2928 🔗

Can you edit those numbers Toby so they’re actual numbers. 57,0000 and 20,0000 kind of undermine the point

224802 Fingerache Philip., 12, #249 of 2928 🔗

Message to the morons who believe that 4,000 people a day are dying of Covid; don’t worry, assuming that roughly the same amount of people are being born as are dying, it would still take 45 years for the country to be “wiped out “

224804 The Spingler, replying to The Spingler, 53, #250 of 2928 🔗

Carl Heneghan just interviewed on Radio 4 Today. Rubbishing the data for the new lockdown. Pointing out that numbers in hospital are more important than admissions, that new positive tests are stabilising and that the R rate in Liverpool is now below 1. No real argument back from the interviewer. The tide is turning

224809 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to The Spingler, 5, #251 of 2928 🔗

Great field report!

224907 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to The Spingler, 6, #252 of 2928 🔗

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE.

226778 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to The Spingler, 1, #253 of 2928 🔗

I do get the feeling that the testdemic/casedemic is the last roll of the dice for the government. Unless hospitals start overflowing and large numbers of deaths occur, it’s going to become harder and harder to convince people of the need for totalitarian government. ‘The Science’ then becomes a sort of vague scaremongering of the type used by MMGW activists. People will pay lip service to it but won’t really go along with any of its recommendations.

224807 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 2, #254 of 2928 🔗

NZ Another case working at the isolation facility being there with the full protection incl.mask getting infected from the group. Two interesting details. First, they are not trusting the 14 days period isolation and prolong it further 48 hours for the first batch of Russian mariners, who should have tested negative. Second, that the first case is in home isolation but the second case has been transported to the isolation facility(camp).Who makes that judgement, whether they should stay home or not when infected? Awful difficult zero covid policy, even in the coming summer in NZ. They hope the coming vaccine will save them in the winter 2021 https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-community-case-second-christchurch-hotel-staffer-tests-positive/SGGFIYR732WUIUKGC5VEY5KD2A/ “Both this case, and the one reported on Monday, came into contact with the international mariners in the course of their duties, including some of the 31 mariners who have tested positive to Covid-19 and who remain in quarantine” “The second person to test positive was in isolation at home in Christchurch but would be moved to a managed isolation facility. Meanwhile, the person to test positive on Monday remained in self isolation at their home.” “The first group of international mariners quarantining at the Sudima, who were due to leave the facility today after completing their isolation period, will now stay at the hotel for a further 48 hours as an additional precautionary measure

224811 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to swedenborg, 1, #255 of 2928 🔗

I bet they aren’t testing for other respiratory conditions. Same old story. NZ have the opportunity to standardise ans calibrate tests because of the controlled environment. But that would require adult thinking

225011 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to swedenborg, 4, #256 of 2928 🔗

I really don’t get why NZ population like Ardern – she (?) creeps me out..

225207 ▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Carrie, #257 of 2928 🔗

Arden reminds me of the Vivienne Rook character portrayed by Emma Thompson in the BBC series “Years and Years”.

225657 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Carrie, #258 of 2928 🔗

They will have profiled the unthinking part of the NZ population to see what would fly, before Arden’s entry into politics even.

224808 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 8, #259 of 2928 🔗

A medical test is a medical procedure which requires consent.

224810 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to mhcp, 10, #260 of 2928 🔗

That’s so 2019.

224829 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to ConstantBees, 3, #261 of 2928 🔗

Tyranny is so hot right now

226784 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to mhcp, #262 of 2928 🔗

Man up and Test Up! Get tested to save your nan! Covid denied – Granny Died! etc.

224833 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to ConstantBees, 1, #263 of 2928 🔗

I found this about Oldham which had door to door testing.
https://www.oldham.gov.uk/info/201170/coronavirus/2557/coronavirus_book_a_free_test/3

225045 ▶▶▶▶ Quernus, replying to Cheshirecatslave, #264 of 2928 🔗

Oldham is my local council. I’ve managed to avoid all of this nonsense. I have stayed firmly under the radar and fully intend to remain there. Incidentally, the council could do with a good proof-reader, but perhaps they’ve all been recruited to do door-to-door testing…

224812 jhfreedom, replying to jhfreedom, 5, #265 of 2928 🔗

What’s the deal with not allowing the police into your house if they want to break up a party in England? If you merely open the door does that imply entry? A friend is planning to have literally one other family round this weekend for a quiet supper but is trying to figure out the law and her rights on all this. Also trying to understand if the police can stop you in your car on the way (local area) and which reasonable excuses will hold up.

Most people I speak to are concerned to evade detection and want to know how to achieve this – of course I tell them to respect the law. Of course.

224981 ▶▶ Nsklent, replying to jhfreedom, 1, #266 of 2928 🔗

From memory, an ex policeman commented that they have no right to enter your house and advises a polite refusal; that is unless they had a warrant which obviously in this context would not be the case. There is a website, laworfiction.com which may be of use.

225216 ▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Nsklent, 1, #267 of 2928 🔗

Thank you.

Purely for research purposes of course.

225109 ▶▶ Adam, replying to jhfreedom, 1, #268 of 2928 🔗

Get yourself a shotgun 12 gauge

225653 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to jhfreedom, 1, #269 of 2928 🔗

Shopping, exercise, taking a car to a grage, work, supporting a vulnerable person, visiting a loved one’s grave.

These were valid reasons last time.

226793 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to JohnB, #270 of 2928 🔗

Visiting a bubble or travelling for work are valid reasons. In the whole of the previous lockdown I travelled hundreds of miles in SE England and London and was never stopped nor did I ever see any roadblocks or police questioning anyone. If it didn’t happen then it’s highly unlikely to happen this time.

226853 ▶▶▶▶ chris c, replying to Cranmer, #271 of 2928 🔗

Someone I know went for a walk on a deserted common. When she got back to her car the Police had stuck a notice on telling her to go home and stay indoors. Lucky they didn’t see her, she was over 80. Only case I’ve heard of locally. I think they had roadblocks in Devon

224814 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 6, #272 of 2928 🔗

These new rapid tests now to be done by the army. Is this the same test used in Slovakia in their mad mass testing of the whole population? Does the test come from China or SK? I assume it is an antigen test, what about false neg? 30-40%? Is there a false positive rate? What about the quality of this test known by any regulatory body? Price per test?

224850 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to swedenborg, #273 of 2928 🔗

You may find this of interest. Particularly the answers to some of the questions towards the bottom of the page regarding PCR. https://www.alphabiolabs.co.uk/workplace-testing-services/rapid-covid-19-antigen-test/

224984 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to p02099003, #274 of 2928 🔗

Thank you and Blue Pill for the links which are to the commercial companies.First concern was that one was not licensed for the US.They seem to be antigen test so all concerns of saving DNA data is completely wrong as this is not a PCR test.But the commercial labs boasting of sensitivity seems to be suspect.Any objective relable non commercial information?

225403 ▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to p02099003, #275 of 2928 🔗

Do we know if the test being used in Liverpool is comparable? I was worried that a rapid test would have a higher false positive rate, but this one claims a specificity of 99.9% which would be a significant improvement.

224868 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to swedenborg, 2, #276 of 2928 🔗

If it is the same as Slovakia then they will likely get a nasty surprise. Bratislava only tested 0.31% positive so the false positive rate is no higher than that. False negatives likely to be up to 30%. The government were shocked by that low figure for their most populous city. The country as a whole was a little over 1%.
I believe this is the one they used;
https://www.globalpointofcare.abbott/en/product-details/panbio-covid-19-ag-antigen-test.html

224885 ▶▶▶ Commander Jameson, replying to TheBluePill, 3, #277 of 2928 🔗

I believe Slovakia has been using antigen tests, which you would generally expect to have a lower false positive rate than PCR (especially as they seem to be cooking the PCR long enough that you will see lots of false positives when prevalence is low).

Basically there is no test that can do much more than give us an idea of trend over time. Individual results are almost worthless unless repeated, or backed up by clinical diagnosis.

224901 ▶▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Commander Jameson, 2, #278 of 2928 🔗

The MSM has been consistently reporting that the antigen tests are less accurate than PCR, often specifically talking about high false positives. I was pleasantly surprised to see better accuracy in the Slovakia results. Of course, as you mention cooking the PCR for 45 cycles blows its accuracy out of the water.

I do wonder though if the corrupt politicians and psuedo-scientists understand that false positives may be lower than PCR and that they can’t change a setting at will to skew them upwards.

224971 ▶▶ Nsklent, replying to swedenborg, #279 of 2928 🔗

The DT stated that the tests were from China and S Korea.

225028 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to swedenborg, #280 of 2928 🔗

Profit per test?

225053 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to PastImperfect, #281 of 2928 🔗

Good question…

224816 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 17, #282 of 2928 🔗

One of the so many really irritating things about this silly confected crisis is the fact that the entire population of this country is comprised of common cold experts.

Every single person in Britain has had so many common cold infections, of many varieties.

‘Man flu’, ‘sniffles’, ‘a summer cold’ and all the other varieties.

Sometimes we have reinfected ourselves, sometimes we have inadvertently infected close members of our families, sometimes we have avoided colds that everyone else has, sometimes we get a very mild infection while elderly relatives in the same household are briefly put on oxygen, hospitalised…….

We have all caught colds from surfaces, on trains, aeroplanes where some lunatic without a handkerchief is shedding virus indiscriminately, from which there is no escape

Overall all cause mortality is spot on normal for the time of year, has been for months so this seasonal common cold coronavirus is the same as the 160+ other common cold viruses.

We all know what to do already.

So what the Dickens is going on?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NXnxTNIWkc

224948 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Tim Bidie, 4, #283 of 2928 🔗

When we went into lockdown, I got immediately angry at the stay home slogans. It was obvious, even to a poorly educated idiot like me, that more people would get sick this way.

225115 ▶▶▶ Adam, replying to PoshPanic, 5, #284 of 2928 🔗

I didn’t stay at home and will not take orders from a pinhead like Hancock

225023 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Tim Bidie, 5, #285 of 2928 🔗

It shouldn’t be long before mask-induced infections begin to make an impact. Unfortunately, they will too often be diagnosed as c-19.

225051 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to PastImperfect, 2, #286 of 2928 🔗

And as dentists are shut, they won’t be able to diagnose ‘mask mouth’…

226032 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #287 of 2928 🔗

They should be called zombie19

224819 TJN, replying to TJN, 17, #288 of 2928 🔗

One thing I’ve noticed with the Government-SAGE selection of Reasonable Worse Case Scenarios.

They usually get say three organisations to do the modelling – e.g. Imperial, Warwick, Cambridge. But they always appear to go with whoever comes up with the most pessimistic outlook.

Hence there’s pressure, if only indirect, for those organisations doing the modelling to come up with pessimistic outlooks – as of course they don’t want to drop off the board. This appears to have been Ferguson’s modus operandi throughout his career.

It may in part account for the mess we are in. Hancock and Johnson, of course, don’t have the nous to recognise what is going on, and Hancock at least probably doesn’t want to.

226034 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to TJN, 1, #289 of 2928 🔗

Yes its a very corrupt system…a bit like exam boards competing to offer the easiest A level papers…that has been going on for several decades.

224820 Eddy, replying to Eddy, 3, #290 of 2928 🔗

If the virus hasn’t been proven to exist how can there be a vaccine?

224841 ▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to Eddy, 5, #291 of 2928 🔗

Why let scientific detail get in the way of mass vaccination?

224864 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to Eddy, 6, #292 of 2928 🔗

The virus has been proven to exist, it has been sequenced no problem. It hasn’t been isolated, but that’s a bit of a red herring as viruses are just strands of RNA that live inside cells. It exists all right, but that’s no reason to be afraid of it.

224822 Eddy, 7, #293 of 2928 🔗

4 more years.

224828 Moomin, replying to Moomin, 22, #294 of 2928 🔗

I saw a link to this article on Simon Dolan’s twitter feed and just posted this to FB:

‘Since March I have been in disbelief at how the British public so easily demanded, allowed and embraced what is essentially the policy of a Chinese Communist Dictatorship. Here is an interesting article from The Guardian in January. Just substitute China, Chinese for United Kingdom, British and Wuhan for London, Leeds or anywhere else you care to choose, and you get exactly the same picture – a violation of basic human rights, yet why are human rights lawyers apparently so silent in the UK?’

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/02/chinas-reaction-to-the-coronavirus-outbreak-violates-human-rights

224935 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Moomin, 1, #295 of 2928 🔗

It quickly became a collective opportunity to bring down Trump, Populism etc. The only propaganda back then was coming from the CCP.

224945 ▶▶▶ Bumble, replying to PoshPanic, #296 of 2928 🔗

I do wonder if we get a massive u turn if Trump loses.

224962 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Bumble, 1, #297 of 2928 🔗

Possibly, I think it’s anybodies guess. Either way, there’ll be a lot of shit going on over the next few weeks

224972 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Bumble, 5, #298 of 2928 🔗

other way round. When he wins they’ll have to try something else. Even these fuckers know they can’t destroy the world economy. Maybe the Clintons and others of the deep state kiddie fucking variety will just have to be thrown to the wolves. They’ve tried everything and it’s not worked. if they ramp it up thee is only nuclear war, so unless they want to kill everyone and destroy the planet that on’t happen

225129 ▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Bumble, 1, #299 of 2928 🔗

I see Trump being re-elected opinion polls have always been crap don’t believe them the Democrats will be like Remoaners and throw a hissy fit and spend 3 years dreaming up bullshit Russia gate style impeachments on Trump who has achieved more than bumbling Boris has done in one year

226048 ▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Adam, #300 of 2928 🔗

Washington DC is already boarded up ready for that hissy fit!

225121 ▶▶ Adam, replying to Moomin, #301 of 2928 🔗

The mood now is very different than back in March I fear civil unrest unless the Tories wise up and remove Johnson https://www.davidmurrin.co.uk

224837 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 7, #302 of 2928 🔗

‘cases’ plummeting in Liverpool

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/cases?areaType=ltla&areaName=Liverpool

peaked about 10 days before they went into Tier 3

224870 ▶▶ Margaret, replying to steve_w, 13, #303 of 2928 🔗

Isn’t this what happened back in March? The government waits until the “cases” are about to peak, then it locks down. In that way, it knows that cases and deaths will be coming down so lockdown can be seen to have “worked”.
Pure theatre.

224887 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Margaret, 11, #304 of 2928 🔗

it wont work this time. cases are rising in places and dropping in others. KCL tracker have it about levelling off. lockdown not til thursday and it should take a week to feed through.

march was panic. This is scientific fraud

225134 ▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to steve_w, #305 of 2928 🔗

Stop your rights from being attacked https://www.saveourrights.uk

225301 ▶▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to steve_w, 3, #306 of 2928 🔗

I’m not so sure. The government knew on March 19th that Covid wasn’t a high consequence infectious disease like SARS or Mers but it chose to lock down a week later.

224838 Rob, #307 of 2928 🔗

Couple of places last article says “57,0000”. Do they mean 570,000 or 57,000. Pretty sure the former but it does not help make it clear

224839 steph, replying to steph, 30, #308 of 2928 🔗

I stayed away yesterday and probably won’t have much stomach for it today. I’m too angry and depressed. All the intellectual pygmies in parliament, with a few very rare exceptions, who say that the thing Johnson got wrong was not imposing this second lockdown earlier! Then the massive lies and exaggeration perpetrated without any serious questioning. MPs are frauds, charlatans and idiots and I am so angry and depressed I can hardly think.
What is the point of facts when lies are accepted without question?
I spoke to a young woman yesterday whose business will be closed on Thursday for the second time. She just didn’t have the capacity to understand any of the science and is miffed but accepting. With a woefully under educated population who are wilfully uninterested in critical thinking I don’t know what to do. Maybe if Kim Kardashian et al spoke out against it they may listen because celebrity culture is pretty much all that matters and they still have that pap for now.
Sorry, in a really bad place.

224848 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to steph, 14, #309 of 2928 🔗

Steph, please stay strong. I sympathise with you as I have feared that a second lockdown will push me over the edge.

My workplace will be closing for the second time this Thursday and like you it saddens me that many of my colleagues are still accepting of the junk science behind this and don’t question the narrative.

As for the MPs their day of reckoning will come but they don’t know it yet. It will be our duty to remind people of their cowardice and abandoning us in our hour of need. If it has to be all day every day so be it.

224876 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #310 of 2928 🔗

I will do that duty. I am doing it now, every chance I get.

224891 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Bart Simpson, 12, #311 of 2928 🔗

The Daily Mail charts that Toby highlighted a few days ago put all the fear-mongering in perspective by showing how insignificant C-19 actually is. The charts are part of a leaflet I am preparing.

224859 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to steph, 1, #312 of 2928 🔗

If Kim Kardashian et al started to speak out they would immediately be de-platformed.

I wonder whether the “tory rebellion” is just a dog and pony show.

Perhaps someone with a full understanding of Magna Carta 61 might help us find a way out of this politically engineered disaster.

224873 ▶▶ annie, replying to steph, 6, #313 of 2928 🔗

The point of facts is that they are facts. Facts are hard and boney and end up jutting through the morass of lies.

E pur’ si muove.

224909 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to annie, 2, #314 of 2928 🔗

It DOES move. It does. It moves whether or not a single human being believes it.

224915 ▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to annie, 14, #315 of 2928 🔗

YESSSSSSS! I am so SICK of lobbing a few facts and figures into the conversation with friends and neighbours in the gentlest and least-proselytising manner possible….only to have them smile sweetly and say things like, “Gosh, I don’t know what to believe…!” or “Well there are a a lot of different takes on it…” I want to say “No, you undereducated moron, we’re not talking OPINIONS, there are not TWO sides to this. Here are the F-ing FACTS!!!!!…and if you don’t believe me, F-ing research it yourself!!!”

224941 ▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Melangell, 3, #316 of 2928 🔗

It’s SO frustrating isn’t it – that’s why we have to try a different tack – does anyone have Celebrity friends? If so let’s get them to speak up.

I think Kirsty Allsop is a sceptic but can’t think of anyone as I don’t watch TV

225003 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Marialta, 1, #317 of 2928 🔗

I think Davina McCall is also seeing the light..

225046 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cbird, replying to Marialta, 1, #318 of 2928 🔗

Carol McGiffin, Denise Welch, Will Carling

226804 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Cbird, 1, #319 of 2928 🔗

Richard Madeley and one of the Gallagher brothers also.
Trouble is these are oldies. One comment on Madeley I read was ‘he just wants attention because his career’s over’. My hope is that in this photo-obsessed age, there will just be more and more pictures of celebrities and politicians breaking lockdown on the sly, so that ordinary folk start thinking that’s normal.

225270 ▶▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Marialta, #321 of 2928 🔗

Does the government still put out those unctuous ads starring celebrities telling us to put on our masks, wash hands, etc? Always emotional twaddle in there but we sceptics should do a counter ad with celebs.
Trouble is current Offcom rules would not allow it to be broadcast.

226060 ▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Marialta, #322 of 2928 🔗

Kirsty has done some good tweets….not sure about Phil lol

225362 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Melangell, 2, #323 of 2928 🔗

I watched a very good contribution to the Corona Ausschuss yesterday, by a philosophy professor.
He talked about the system of fear used by govts, how people can be manipulated etc.
In the end they talked about how to talk to people who are following the govt. They concluded talking AT someone who is not sceptical will not do anything and they are a lost cause, we should concentrate on the people who are asking questions and are open.

225938 ▶▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Silke David, #324 of 2928 🔗

Sounds like the product of (valid) analysis, invoking The Trust/Agreement matrix. Classic management consultant tool. Used by change management professionals to work out who to prioritise (as audiences) in change agendas. Useful. I’m sure it’s Google able or DuckDuckGo able for those not already familiar.

225565 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Melangell, 4, #325 of 2928 🔗

Where I live which is unfortunately in Hancock’s constituency but, here the anger is vocal almost unanimous in its dissent. I wonder if there are some demographics because I live in what is identified as being a ‘wealthy area’. They are still having dinner parties I strongly suspect is because they know the police wouldn’t dare knock on the doors of the rich and mighty.

The most used word around here at the moment is ‘bollocks’, it’s all a load of!

226651 ▶▶▶ Michael Freeman, replying to annie, #326 of 2928 🔗

Hold fast to reality, truth, facts. What was that TV series … “Reality or nothing!”

224932 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to steph, 4, #327 of 2928 🔗

Yes!! I suggested this two days ago after I listened to Richard Madeley on Talk Radio (of Richard & Judy fame): people listen to celebrities. Look how the footballer got free meals sorted ( not that I agreed with the cause as that’s irrelevant).

224978 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Marialta, 4, #328 of 2928 🔗

they’re not free meals, I’ve to pay for them and to be honest if some lazy cunt’s in Liverpool or manchester can’t feed their own kids i don’t give a fuck

225002 ▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to Biker, 4, #329 of 2928 🔗

I think we may have to agree to disagree on this one. Certainly you’re correct, it all comes out of the taxpayers’ pockets. However I believe in the welfare state for those in need through no fault of their own and in the case of underfed children that is surely always the case?
I don’t think a penny shouldn’t go to any lazy, feckless adults but it’s drawing the line that is difficult. There are many deserving adults in trouble through no fault of their own and that number is only set to grow. Thanks , Hancock and Johnson you heartless bastards.

225012 ▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to steph, 1, #330 of 2928 🔗

When you say you disagree what your saying i’m prepared to send storm troopers to my house and take what i’ve earned and give it to someone else. As long as you understand that then we can be enemies and i will hate you like the rest of the dole scum. I don’t give a fuck about hungry children, you might not like that but so fucking what. If you care YOU do something about it but for the love of fucking pizza why do you think i should help?

225036 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to Biker, 3, #331 of 2928 🔗

So you are not pro small state (which I am, the smaller the better) but zero state in which everyone must take care of their own no matter what hardship befalls them?
You are entitled to that view if course.
I just want us to be able to take care of those who slip through the cracks and tell everybody else to take personal responsibility. The way the authoritarian state is ruining livelihoods apace, that is going to be very difficult.

225572 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to steph, #332 of 2928 🔗

Thanks Steph. I have worked all my life and was laid off in the first Lockdown. There are no jobs to apply for and the ones that are advertised have insane numbers of applicants. Luckily, I’m not so far off retirement but the younger generation, as Sr Dennis Swain said, are the ones that are going to have to pay for this through unemployment, inflation, high taxation yet there are no jobs for them.

225005 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Biker, 3, #333 of 2928 🔗

A lot os these supposedly poor people seem to be able to afford extensive and expensive tattoos…

226061 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Biker, 1, #334 of 2928 🔗

Marcus should pay for them all himself….he can afford to.

225229 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Marialta, 1, #335 of 2928 🔗

Richard Madeley was talking to Neil Oliver on Talk Radio saying Johnson was doing a’ good job’or similiar.

226069 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to David Grimbleby, #336 of 2928 🔗

Yes Richard is not the brightest button…he was very late to the sceptic party but still welcome. But Boris a good prime minister…do me a favour!

224998 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to steph, 5, #337 of 2928 🔗

I get you Steph – there is only so much bad news a person can take. On the one hand I want to know what is really going on, keep up to speed and spread the sceptic word, but on the other it stresses me out so much that I’m getting migraines every day now.

I know UK column are ‘good guys’, but the information they bring is very depressing.
I’m so angry as well, that governments are getting away with this, whilst additionally passing laws to exempt themselves from prosecution. And making vast amounts of money for themselves and their friends.

It stresses me too, the number of people who naively believe the MSM and won’t even look at the great reset… They think I am crazy..

225039 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Carrie, #338 of 2928 🔗

I was having migraines on a loop around May time. Absolute hell so you have my sympathies. Hope they stop soon

226094 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Carrie, 1, #339 of 2928 🔗

We really should not be too surprised how ‘joe normie’ thinks about all this. Lets face it most people are not very bright and most people are terrified of straying far from the herd. I see this in my own family and friends. The human race is a deeply flawed species generally…the older I get the more I feel animals have more sense. As if they would have gone along with this nonsense. We like to think we are a species of individuals but there are only a small minority of us like that…..take a look at any authoritarian regime…how few of the people were really dissidents? What is remarkable is how long in the West we have had relatively sane free societies. I fear those days are behind us.

226691 ▶▶▶▶ Michael Freeman, replying to Borisbullshit, 1, #340 of 2928 🔗

The West has faced countless challenges. Communism. The Cold War. World Wars. History is full this. Why should this one finish us off ?

227385 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Borisbullshit, #341 of 2928 🔗

Just look at the industrial levels of relentless propaganda being pumped out. Any dissenting points of view such as Nobel prize winning scientists are never allowed and Google et al won’t allow them. The level of censorship is staggering for a so called democracy.

225309 ▶▶ Mrs issedoff, replying to steph, 2, #342 of 2928 🔗

I know the feeling Steph, it is one long feeling of stress and a huge knot in your stomach. I have so much anger that I feel for the person who eventually pushes my destruct button. There is very little in life that now gives me pleasure, even going for a walk winds me up as I see all the muzzled up zombies. I hate these people and yet I know it is wrong to feel that way.

I try and hold on to the thought of all the evil (not thick as some say)twats in government paying for what they have done. It may be unlikely but it keeps me going. I hope you find a way to de stress and tomorrow is a new day.

226133 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Mrs issedoff, #343 of 2928 🔗

Maybe it isn’t wrong to hate the people who wear masks outside or on bikes or in cars. I increasingly see these people as collaborators with evil. They are just encouraging the government to go down the Melbourne road and make masks compulsory outside. If that happens I will see these people as beyond contempt.

224843 Commander Jameson, replying to Commander Jameson, 4, #344 of 2928 🔗

All the model curves look more like normal distributions than Gompertz curves.

Does anyone have a good explanation for that?

224863 ▶▶ steph, replying to Commander Jameson, 2, #345 of 2928 🔗

Fake science and soothsaying of course. It sure scares the heck out of the populace and the idiots in government so that’s job done.

224874 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Commander Jameson, 3, #346 of 2928 🔗

Excel doesn’t have a Gompertz graphing function, but it does have a Gaussian function. They must be the same as they both begin with G. I just hope they don’t discover the Fermi-Dirac curve.

226135 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Commander Jameson, #347 of 2928 🔗

Normal distributions have to be symmetrical ….maybe the sheep can only understand curves like that.

224844 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 50, #348 of 2928 🔗

Good morning fellow sceptics!!

Another great update today and looks like we are witnessing another Iraqi WMD moment where the decision to lockdown yet again is down to dodgy modelling and out of date information. I’m forever mystified why the government has continued to refuse to listen to the likes of Carl Heneghan, John Lee, Michael Yeadon, Sunetra Gupta and Karol Sikora who have time and again demonstrated that the data is flawed.

The longer this drags on, the more it seems that the government is resorting to fakery – fake cases, fake tests, fake stats to maintain their narrative of fear.

That said I think there will be more noncompliance this time as I’ve read on Twitter that several small businesses will defy the government and stay open.

As for myself, after having spoken to a counsellor on the phone, I have decided that I will not comply with this lockdown. Having seen my own mental health suffer over the past few months, I do not want to go over the edge.

224846 ▶▶ steph, replying to Bart Simpson, 14, #349 of 2928 🔗

Well done. Put your health first and do what you need to do.

224865 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to steph, 9, #350 of 2928 🔗

Cheers. That’s what I intend to do.

225526 ▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to steph, 9, #351 of 2928 🔗

Well said Bart. I too will not obey unjust laws grounded upon fraud.

Best wishes from a fellow refusenik.

224854 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to Bart Simpson, 11, #352 of 2928 🔗

I’m trying to think of ways to not comply, but it’s hard to find them. Let me know how I can not comply too!

224861 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Recusant, 8, #353 of 2928 🔗

Given that the government has stated that you can be out more than once – I intend to do that.

There was a woman in my area even during the first lockdown has been doing her shopping away from the local area. I intend to use her as an inspiration.

224892 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Recusant, 20, #354 of 2928 🔗

During the first one I just tried to ignore it.

I went out whenever I wanted, including several covidiot killer beach trips, had family around (I’m lucky to have a sceptical extended family) and just tried not to think about it too much.

Just ignore it and do what you want to do.

225581 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 5, #355 of 2928 🔗

And keep having friends and family around. I would like to see all the furloughed citizens occupy shops and pubs to keep them open. That’s a pipe dream I know, but wouldn’t it be great mass civil disobedience by everyone.

224895 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Recusant, 22, #356 of 2928 🔗

I have no intention of staying at home. I will go out for exercise several times a day. I will travel by train to work frequently…most days. I will also drive about with Mrs Llamasaurus Rex looking for an obscure essential shopping item; muesli mix for our llamas. That item is essential and not carried by our local co-op. We will play The Clash, I fought the law, at top volume.

225224 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 3, #357 of 2928 🔗

And ‘Complete Control’

This is Joe Public speaking.
I’m controlled in the body, I’m controlled in the mind …

Not me, and and not us, of course, but helps us to comprehend what is going on.

225474 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 2, #358 of 2928 🔗

” … and the law won.” … ?!

225491 ▶▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to JohnB, 4, #359 of 2928 🔗

We always sing at the top of our voices ‘and I won’!!!

225496 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 4, #360 of 2928 🔗

It’s even my ring tone now. I need all the smiles and laughs I can get these days.

227305 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, #361 of 2928 🔗

I always fancied ‘The Fields of Athenry’, by the Dropkick Murphys. But I never quite worked out how to do ringtones on my (work-mandated) smartphone. 🙁

227304 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, #362 of 2928 🔗

Excellent. A better ending indeed. 🙂

224908 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Recusant, 12, #363 of 2928 🔗

No way did I comply with staying at home with a timed ‘outing’ last time. Out all day on almost empty beaches, still people around with the same mindset. Get out of the house, not so easy this time with the weather, but whenever you can.

224918 ▶▶▶▶ DThom, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #364 of 2928 🔗

I will have to play my golf on the beach then!

224925 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to DThom, 3, #365 of 2928 🔗

That’s the spirit, always a way around, no shortage of bunkers at least!

224928 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to DThom, 1, #366 of 2928 🔗

Should be empty enough this time of year!

225257 ▶▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to DThom, 1, #367 of 2928 🔗

Could you not play golf outside Gove’s home?

225587 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to thinkaboutit, 2, #368 of 2928 🔗

Or perhaps hitchhike a lift with Dominic Cummings or maybe Professor Pantsdown (Ferguson) to wherever they are going to either test their eyesight or engage in carnal activity!

225175 ▶▶▶▶ davews, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #369 of 2928 🔗

I have been out for a daily walk every single day this year and will continue whatever happens.

225472 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Recusant, 2, #370 of 2928 🔗

Stay overnight with a friend ?

226159 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Recusant, 8, #371 of 2928 🔗

I know a driving instructor who is going to continue doing lessons without a roof sign and without masks so she looks like a mum taking her daughter for driving practice…every little helps!

224857 ▶▶ annie, replying to Bart Simpson, 9, #372 of 2928 🔗

Don,t,Bart. You are megasane and you must stay that way.

224862 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to annie, 6, #373 of 2928 🔗

Thanks Annie. You have been an inspiration here 👍

224860 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #374 of 2928 🔗

Its clear a shark was jumped with the graph of doom. A whole ocean of sharks was jumped with the 4,000 a day ‘projection’

224867 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to steve_w, 7, #375 of 2928 🔗

Indeed. Even I a Maths dunce was able to deduce that something was fishy with that number.

224883 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Bart Simpson, 11, #376 of 2928 🔗

The reason they don’t listen to the likes of the people listed is exactly the same reason the likes of Roy Spencer, John Christy, Ruth Feynman and Judith Curry are not listened to with regards to climate change. It’s too uncomfortable to think that they may be wrong.
The latter is also based on flawed models, estimating huge rises in temperature despite data showing that it is not the case.
He who shouts loudest.

225533 ▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to p02099003, 7, #377 of 2928 🔗

Heartily agree. There are many parallels between the climate scam and the Corona scam. I believe one is closely related to the other.

225588 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to charleyfarley, 3, #378 of 2928 🔗

Yep Charleyfarley, I believe that too.

226170 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to charleyfarley, 2, #379 of 2928 🔗

So will there be a covid Great Thunberg? It sure will not be Naomi Seibt!

226841 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to p02099003, #380 of 2928 🔗

Well said. They don’t allow any room for dissent and debate with both issues and note that its the same people who are pushing the same agenda.

224904 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #381 of 2928 🔗

As far as they see it, the end justifies the means

224916 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #382 of 2928 🔗

Good morning Bart!

Don’t comply with the lockdown. Go out! Take the train to the coast or the moors. Stay out all day. Never wear a mask (I know you never do). Enjoy the world. We will look forward to hearing about your trips.

225016 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Alethea, 5, #383 of 2928 🔗

Thanks!!! I have been boycotting my local M&S and will not use them despite the threat of this new lockdown.

224958 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #384 of 2928 🔗

I’m glad you’re doing what’s best for your mental health. It’s obvious that this government does not care about the mental health of the public. I will continue to take the bus every day to my allotment in order to maintain my mental health. The only thing that will stop me is rain or snow (ah, the natural world) or the council locking out plotholders.

226854 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to ConstantBees, 3, #385 of 2928 🔗

Thanks. Mr Bart is doing the same thing with his allotment.

I will be doing my walks everyday save for rain and snow.

225061 ▶▶ Cbird, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #386 of 2928 🔗

I think someone said yesterday that support groups were exempt. Maybe check the definition of support group

225068 ▶▶▶ Cbird, replying to Cbird, 2, #387 of 2928 🔗

Also I think rambling groups were exempt last time

225091 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Cbird, 2, #388 of 2928 🔗

Grouse shooting groups exempt as before?

225589 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Cbird, 1, #389 of 2928 🔗

In Derbyshire? I think the Police there criminalised anyone who was out walking!

226477 ▶▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Jo Dominich -, 3, #390 of 2928 🔗

Wasn’t that the one were the drone ‘captured’ miscreants walking, but the police backed down after a sort of backlash?

227387 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to David Grimbleby, #391 of 2928 🔗

That’sounds the one!

226835 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cbird, 2, #392 of 2928 🔗

Had a look – its vaguely worded so it could be friends, work even the likes of groups like Alcoholics Anonymous.

225153 ▶▶ Adam, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #393 of 2928 🔗

We need a written constitution like most countries do in the world Americans treat theirs like the bible

226837 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Adam, #394 of 2928 🔗

No guarantee of anything. We have a written constitution in the Republic of Ireland – however, when two people tried to get the first lockdown overturned in March, they were told by the High Court that constitutional rights are not absolute.

What the dumbfucks in the public sector who are responsible for enforcing the lockdowns don’t realise is that this precedent can be used by a future bankrupt State to cancel their DB pensions (currently a constitutionally protected property right). After all, constitutional rights are not absolute.

225577 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #395 of 2928 🔗

Let’s hope a large number of businesses start to defy the Government including the larger retail sector and the hospitality sector, mass action is now the only way one way or another to end this shit show.

226830 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Jo Dominich -, 2, #396 of 2928 🔗

Exactly. Big businesses should grow a pair and defy the government.

If they’re fined, refuse to pay and force it to go to court. That should keep them busy for the next 50,000 years!

224858 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 2, #397 of 2928 🔗

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54786585 1/3 fear catching covid at work. What is it about CoViD19/SARS-CoV-2 that is different?

224882 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to p02099003, 21, #398 of 2928 🔗

Suggest 1/3 stop working and leave the jobs market to the rest of us then.

224894 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 4, #399 of 2928 🔗

Excellent suggestion

224905 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 11, #400 of 2928 🔗

This is a good solution. They can all go on UBI, stay at home, stop travelling. Then all those jobs can be taken up by the unemployed. The rest of us can get back to the old normal. Win, win

224922 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to PoshPanic, 10, #401 of 2928 🔗

Perfect. I’d even pay more tax to keep them out of the way. They must stay at home though, no ruining our newly reopened and perspex free bar and restaurant scene.

224976 ▶▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 2, #402 of 2928 🔗

Send them selfies from the pub!

224910 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 7, #403 of 2928 🔗

Exactly. They can simply stay in their bunkers for the rest of their lives while we carry on with our lives.

224872 Basics, replying to Basics, 4, #404 of 2928 🔗

Tobias Elwood privy council 77 brigade gets the troops on the streets as he wiahed then.

224878 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Basics, #405 of 2928 🔗

Pardon?

224880 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #406 of 2928 🔗

It’s English but not as we know it.

224937 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #407 of 2928 🔗

Wished..

224879 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Basics, 12, #408 of 2928 🔗

Does he have a death wish?

Once a line is crossed, the Armed Forces will never be trusted again. Ever.

I think he should be charged with treason, sent to the Tower then hung, drawn and quartered.

225591 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #409 of 2928 🔗

Bart, now now, that’s way to easy on him!

226176 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #410 of 2928 🔗

Too good for him that.

225172 ▶▶ Adam, replying to Basics, 1, #411 of 2928 🔗

Ellwood needs lynching treacherous dog

224881 Biker, replying to Biker, 18, #412 of 2928 🔗

Come on the Don get voted in so we can have four more years of all the faggots and weirdo’s freaking out every day. Oh and he’s our only hope for the stopping of this virus bullshit. If Trump doesn’t win the savage, degenerate, anti human lefty arse bandits will reek havoc on the world. Can you imagine how many bombs they must be itching to drop on sand niggers? Can you imagine how many kids Biden will be sniffing in basements around the world. Can you imagine how many young girls the Clinton foundation can rescue from war torn places they themselves have bombed. We need Trump in the White House and we need Farage as PM and we might need to fight to the death these killers who’ve got us locked down and threatened with this for th next ten years. I’m afraid for our future ladies and gents. If Trump don’t win we’re fucked. We’re fucked anyway. The morns who work for the army are coming for us.

225455 ▶▶ Motke, replying to Biker, 2, #413 of 2928 🔗

“faggots” and “sand niggers”? Really? That language is just unnecessary and offensive. By all means be passionate but such passion can be articulated without using such offensive words!

224884 chaos, replying to chaos, 10, #414 of 2928 🔗

Andrea Leadsom as dumb as a rock on TalkRadio. Very few of these dimwits look beyond SAGE. The WEF Davos Great Greta Reset COUP D’ETAT continues…

I for one look forward to The Great Reset. Countryside to be enjoyed from a distance unless you are rich. Everyone stacked high in towns and cities.. social credit sysytems and scores.. No cash.. tracked everywhere.. No pubs. No nightclubs for the young. No live crowds at sports, unless you are rich. No car or air travel unless you are rich.. less choice in the supermarket.. no vitamin and other supplements.. no pets unless you are rich.. vaccines for all.. no protests of more than 2 unless it is an accepted protest e.g. XR or black lives.. vaccines up the wazoo! Vaccines lovely vaccines.

224898 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to chaos, 17, #415 of 2928 🔗

Yep just heard Julia Hartley-Brewer lay into her for her failure, as an MP, to research and understand the stats , preferring instead to simply trust the PM’s claims about future projected, “pressure on the NHS”.

224923 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to chaos, 5, #416 of 2928 🔗

It’s so depressing. All compounded by the fact that so many sheeple either welcome this lockdown, or grudgingly accept its (toxic) logic.
I want to spit whenever I hear anyone use phrases like ‘build back better’ or ‘new normal’. Everywhere I look, I see Gessler’s hat.

225006 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 1, #417 of 2928 🔗

Moon shot is also used quite a bit by WEF… a coinky dink for sure.

226186 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to chaos, 1, #418 of 2928 🔗

When you hear most Tory MPs on the radio you really do despair….they really are no different from anyone to the left of them…Hitchens was right years ago when he always called them ‘the useless tories’…only now they are not useless they are a positive menace.

224888 Moomin, replying to Moomin, 14, #419 of 2928 🔗

I’ve just sent this to Charles Walker, these people need our support:

Dear Sir,

I know you won’t have time to respond.

I just wanted to sincerely thank you for what you said in Parliament yesterday about how we are drifting into an authoritarian, coercive state.

Kind regards,

224920 ▶▶ Bumble, replying to Moomin, 6, #420 of 2928 🔗

I sent a similar thanks to Des Swayne last week when he made his herd stupidity speech. Got a Thanks DS reply within an hour.

I also sent Chope, my MP a copy of Mrs T’s wise words on Freedom. I know he’s onside but I just wanted to remind him what real leadership looked like.

225075 ▶▶ Cbird, replying to Moomin, #421 of 2928 🔗

Me too

224896 Dan Clarke, 18, #422 of 2928 🔗

Remember Johnson ‘Bugger business’, that’s what he is doing to small and medium business. Having got them to get into more debt or spend their savings on methods to stay open, he now closes them down again. Many will give up, no more money, then the government will step in to wipe out that debt with ‘conditions’, the business will become state owned, plus other ‘conditions’. The establishment jobs are already state owned so being left alone for now. Those on zero hours contracts, or low paid jobs will have to join their global socialist charter/government control. Who would have thought these Faux Tories could be more Socialist than Labour?

224903 swedenborg, 8, #423 of 2928 🔗

Dr Zoe Harcombe’s article in Toby’s update Impact of lockdown is a must read. The link below is the original paper from Lancet. NPI not very effective. Quotes below is from her article
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30785-4/fulltext Notably, we did not observe a substantial difference in our results when including in a sensitivity analysis only phases with comprehensive contact tracing in place. This was not as expected since contact tracing was believed to reduce transmission through early identification of infectious cases .”
“The study found that only 1 measure made a statistically significant difference at 28 days. Relaxing the ban on gatherings of more than 10 people increased “R” at 28 days (but not at 7 or 14 days). One measure alone (relaxation of school closures) made a statistically significant difference at 14 days (but not at 7 or 28 days). Six measures had a statistically significant impact at 7 days, but none of these impacts were sustained at 14 or 28 days.”

“The paper reported that the R ratio tended to decrease over time following the introduction of (i) school closure, (ii) workplace closure, (iii) public events ban, (vi) requirements to stay at home, and (vii) internal movement limits. The paper claimed that the reduction in the R ratio was only significant for (iii) the public events ban. “Over time” meant for the 28 day period reviewed.”

“the paper should not have reported any decreases in the R ratio unless significant, so there should have been no implied findings from the introduction of (i) school closure, (ii) workplace closure, (vi) requirements to stay at home, and (vii) internal movement limits because these were not statistically significant”

She also quotes this pearl from a Sage document 16 th March so appropriate now in the second lockdown

 The risk of one person within a household passing the infection to others within the household is estimated to increase during household isolation, from 50% to 70%.”

224906 Moomin, replying to Moomin, 3, #424 of 2928 🔗

Any news on the Danish mask study that journals won’t publish?

224927 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Moomin, #425 of 2928 🔗
224944 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Dan Clarke, #426 of 2928 🔗

Logged – Thanks!

224966 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Moomin, 2, #427 of 2928 🔗

The study never took place.

The study was flawed and could not be published.

The study supported the use of masks.

Take your pick from the Minustry of Truth options.

224911 DThom, replying to DThom, 32, #428 of 2928 🔗

How has it come to this!
A small group of well off elites telling 67 million people what they can or cannot do with their personal lives.

224952 ▶▶ Nsklent, replying to DThom, 7, #429 of 2928 🔗

Unfortunately, until people tell them to get stuffed, they will continue to get emboldened by each compliance.

224912 FrankiiB, replying to FrankiiB, 9, #430 of 2928 🔗

New lockdown travel restrictions mandatory or advisory?

I recall last time there was debate over how far restrictions were actually law and how far advisory. I note with the new one, day travel within UK and staying home is “You should…” and this is similar to the Scottish tiered “You should exercise locally” – but that is under the heading Guidance.

224977 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to FrankiiB, 5, #431 of 2928 🔗

Complete travel ban is imprisonment without trial. Must surely be illegal under the Human Rights Act?

225189 ▶▶▶ davews, replying to Carrie, #432 of 2928 🔗

I expect I will be using the train to get to some of my daily exercises. But with pubs and restaurants only doing takeaways and the weather not favourable for picnic lunches I expect those will not be very often.

225325 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to davews, #433 of 2928 🔗

I was thinking of the part about not being allowed to leave the country…

225696 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Carrie, #434 of 2928 🔗

Article 13 of UN Declaration of Human Rights.

225693 ▶▶ Edward, replying to FrankiiB, #435 of 2928 🔗

I believe it is guidance, not rules. I’ll certainly be treating it only as guidance. At the start of the previous lockdown I noticed a police presence at larger railway stations, but I don’t know if they questioned anyone about why they were travelling. After a week or two they weren’t there.

224914 Cecil B, 11, #436 of 2928 🔗

The rapists dad and professional sadist is at it again

Last week it was ‘we are still working on rules that will allow pubs to serve their customers’

As soon as I read that I knew the pubs will not be allowed to reopen

Every evening the rapists dad reties to turtle land so it makes no difference to him

The tax revenue from pubs in Wales goes direct to the Westminster government

The RD can use this tactic to poke the pig dictator in the eye

If Westminster responds and reduces the revenue to Wales the RD will have achieved his aim of sowing division

Today in the press we had ‘But it is not clear under what terms pubs and restaurants will be required to operate, prompting concerns from the sector’

So what if publicans go bust and a few commit suicide.

Hey, this is democracy in action you ungrateful bastards

A virus so deadly that they have time to fuck about with this stuff

224917 Kev, replying to Kev, 11, #437 of 2928 🔗

Liverpool is First City to be Tested in “Moonshot” Programme – because infections are falling
Except they’re not infections, they are positive results from a non diagnostic test, with an un-declared false positive rate, which according to Dominic Raab could be as high as 7%, also they report absolute numbers per day, not positives per 10,000 or other consistent measure.

When tests are varying between 250,000 and 350,000 per day that is significant.

225446 ▶▶ TyRade, replying to Kev, 1, #438 of 2928 🔗

cheaper, certainly more useful to send Liverpool to the ‘moon’?

225606 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to TyRade, 1, #439 of 2928 🔗

Could you perhaps put Hancock, Witless, Unbalanced and Pantsdown in the rocket that hopefully, will be on a road to nowhere for eternity.

225604 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Kev, 1, #440 of 2928 🔗

I think I have this right but the international false-positive rate established around the world is something closer to 80%

224919 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 7, #441 of 2928 🔗

Re; Testing all of Liverpool.
Tests on Monday : 1 result.
Tests on Friday: Another result
WHAT’S THE BLOODY POINT?

224973 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Fingerache Philip., 5, #442 of 2928 🔗

More to the point – is this testing legal? Is it compulsory and what happens if you refuse?

It seems like an attempt at a massive DNA grab.

Might they actually be planting the virus or something else when they stick the swab up into your brain?
This virus is supposedly so infectious that you need to wear a mask, and yet they need to poke something a long way up your nose to get a sample?????

226341 ▶▶▶ DomW, replying to Carrie, #443 of 2928 🔗

Why don’t they just ask people to sing at the stick ?

224921 JHuntz, replying to JHuntz, 17, #444 of 2928 🔗

Surely if fined for breaking the lockdown a legitimate defence in court would now be that you don’t watch the news?

The laws are flip flopping at an alarming rate how can it be reasonable for the lay person to be presumed to understand them?

224939 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to JHuntz, 3, #445 of 2928 🔗

I think it’s the same as with tax laws where “Ignorance is not a defence”.

224989 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to JohnB, 5, #446 of 2928 🔗

Undoubtedly that is what they would say, but nobody ever envisaged having to check the law before going out for a walk.

225024 ▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, #447 of 2928 🔗

Yes, I have a few days off work and absolutely nothing to do (thanks govt) this week so I am going to look up case law. There must be similar common law.

225096 ▶▶▶▶▶ Kev, replying to JHuntz, #448 of 2928 🔗

There is no crime here under Common Law, who’s the plaintiff?

These are all statutes, under equity law.

Common law – a crime exists only when there is a victim with actual damages like a broken arm. Has form and substance.

The governments actions may be harming us (the people) under Tort Law

225059 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, #449 of 2928 🔗

“Ignorance of the law is no defence” is an iron principle of law that is there for the necessary convenience of the rulers, and so will be retained no matter how unreasonable.

224924 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 7, #450 of 2928 🔗

The Mayor of Liverpool seems a bit thick. Army testing of the civilian population will simply generate more positives. If there is a false positive rate of 1%, that alone will generate 5000 “cases” per week if you have weekly tests of half a million people. Daily tests will give you 35,000. Weekly tests are pretty rubbish because maybe thousands of your “cases” will have been going around infecting people for up 7 days… How on Earth is this going to help? And don’t forget the false negatives. People being reassured they haven’t got Covid, and so off to their work in the local GP surgery they go with a sniffle.

A large part of Liverpool population will rightly have nothing to do with the testing. But people will be pressured into accepting it in the workplace.

225142 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to OKUK, 1, #451 of 2928 🔗

Say you test the whole of Liverpool; all positive = Lockdown! All negative = Ignore and test again until positive…

225462 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to OKUK, 4, #452 of 2928 🔗

The Mayor of Liverpool seems a bit thick.

No, he’s very thick.

225611 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to OKUK, #453 of 2928 🔗

I wonder whether it will yield more positives it will if it is the PCR test they are using. However, if the test functions a lot better than the PCR then it might find we don’t have anything like an epidemic, pandemic more like just a strong flu. Let’s see.

224926 guy153, replying to guy153, 3, #454 of 2928 🔗

“Liverpool is First City to be Tested in “Moonshot” Programme – Yet Infections Are Falling”.
Substitute “Because” for “Yet”?
Some possible evidence of evolution here:

https://t.co/gx91vlvsmp?amp=1

A variant of SARS-CoV-2 emerged in early summer 2020, presumably in Spain, and
has since spread to multiple European countries

Not clear whether this strain affects virulence. You’d think it might affect transmissibility since it seems to be doing quite well. The competing theory to natural selection is unnatural selection (we let too many people go to Spain). This seems extremely unlikely to have anything to do with anything to me as we had around 30,000 infected people of our own in the UK all summer to start the Autumn ripple off.

224953 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to guy153, #455 of 2928 🔗

When does a mutation become a variation become a strain become a novel pathogen? I’ve never heard this discussed. I’ve heard it mutates in your body if you’re infected, so there must millions of mutations.

224983 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to OKUK, #456 of 2928 🔗

One study found about 300,000 mutations. Yes it mutates in your body (that’s the only place it can reproduce or do anything).

Lots of grey areas with those terms I agree. Usually people seem to call it a “novel pathogen” if it just entered the human population (usually from animals).

For practical purposes what matters is does it become more or less transmissible or virulent, and does it mutate to the point that immune memory no longer recognizes it.

The latter is rare with coronaviruses as they mutate much less than other viruses.

Natural selection will favour increased transmissibility and reduced virulence because that indirectly increases transmissibility. But what tends to happen with the science is the mutations are identified many months before anyone can confirm for sure whether they “perform” better. But this is a priori the most likely reason for a mutation to be selected.

225370 ▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to guy153, 1, #457 of 2928 🔗

‘Don’t burn the house’ down selection strategy.

“The SARS-CoV-2 spike (S) protein, the viral mediator for binding and entry into the host cell, has sparked great interest as a target for vaccine development and treatments with neutralizing antibodies. Initial data suggest that the virus has low mutation rates, but its large genome could facilitate recombination, insertions, and deletions, as has been described in other coronaviruses. Here, we deep-sequenced the complete SARS-CoV-2 S gene from 18 patients (10 with mild and 8 with severe COVID-19), and found that the virus accumulates deletions upstream and very close to the S1/S2 cleavage site (PRRAR/S), generating a frameshift with appearance of a stop codon. These deletions were found in a small percentage of the viral quasispecies (2.2%) in samples from all the mild and only half the severe COVID-19 patients. Our results suggest that the virus may generate free S1 protein released to the circulation. We suggest that natural selection has favoured a “Don’t burn down the house” strategy, in which free S1 protein may compete with viral particles for the ACE2 receptor, thus reducing the severity of the infection and tissue damage without losing transmission capability.”

“To conclude, in-depth sequencing of the SARS-CoV-2 S gene in 18 patients with COVID-19 enabled identification of a naturally occurring deletion very close to the S1/S2 cleavage site. Our results indicate that the mutant S would have a large impact on the S protein, and suggest that the virus could produce free S1, which may have implications regarding the candidacy of S protein as a target for vaccination and antiviral treatment strategies. The deletions were significantly more prevalent in patients with mild than in those with severe disease, supporting the notion that they could be a strategy of natural selection to decrease the injury caused after onset of the infection. In this “Don’t burn down the house” strategy, the ability of the virus to bind with ACE2 receptor and spread to others would be unchanged; thus its propensity for transmission would be enhanced by a mildly affected host. To prove this hypothesis, it is essential to investigate whether the truncated S protein (free S1) is present in respiratory tract specimens and in plasma. To detect free S1 at low concentration by western blot analysis, entire and truncated recombinant spike proteins should be used as controls, together with highly specific antibodies to S protein. These studies are currently ongoing, and in parallel, we are investigating whether the new peptide motif IRLRLILLGGHVV* will have sufficient antigenicity to be used as a probe to detect truncated free S1 protein.”

Same thing happened with SARS-1 of course.
Selective deletions rather than mutations, resulting in reduced virulence, but high (or even higher) transmissibility.
I still maintain that Stage 3 Covid (characterised by ARD then hyper-inflammation and organ failure) simply no longer exists.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/22221751.2020.1806735

226478 ▶▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Kevin 2, #458 of 2928 🔗

Very interesting thanks! Now somebody needs to match that up with the phylogenetic analysis to see if strains with this mutation are more widespread.

224963 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to guy153, 3, #459 of 2928 🔗

There has been discussion that it was introduced by Romanian fruitpickers in Catalonia late summer then spreading to neighburing Aragon.That province, not much affected in the March peak, made it easy for the virus to spread quickly there .Then it seeded Spain with this new variant and then spread by tourists to different European countries.

224933 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 21, #460 of 2928 🔗

Vote Tory ? get Whitty, Valance, Van Damme, Soros, Gates.
Vote Labour ? get Whitty, Valance, Van Damme, Soros, Gates.

Reform UK Re:claim etc

We need top business people to join this crusade.

Good people to fight on the ticket of “we, as a nation, will never ever lock down, imprison or willfully destroyed lives and livelihoods again”.

“We demand Nurembourg style trials against all those who have committed covid crimes against the population”.

224957 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to nickbowes, #461 of 2928 🔗

Trials wouldn’t appeal,to the public but a full judicial inquiry would. Lord Sumption would make a good chair!

224985 ▶▶▶ nickbowes, replying to OKUK, 2, #462 of 2928 🔗

Eichmann and Hancock look the same to me.

225284 ▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to nickbowes, 1, #463 of 2928 🔗

Didn’t Eichmann say ‘ It is good to be obedient, it makes for a comfortable life’ or similar ?

225041 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to OKUK, 1, #464 of 2928 🔗

The article in Toby’s list where Steve Baker invited Sumption to a meeting, is worth a read – gives the whole text of what Sumption said at that meeting… One would hope it leads to attendees at least asking government for the Civil Contingencies act to be used from now on…

224946 Sceptic Hank, 6, #465 of 2928 🔗

Has anyone seen the Russian series ‘In the Lake’ on Netflix? Now that’s a real pandemic. Someone who coughs gets shot dead, although he wasn’t infected. Maybe Boris has been watching it and got confused?

224949 NickR, replying to NickR, 7, #466 of 2928 🔗

If you’re thinking of writing to the Science & Technology Committee today this draft, written by a friend this morning should give you some pointers. I notice Dawn Butler is on the Committee, god help us if her insight into science & technology is supposed to keep us at the cutting efge!

Dear Greg Clark, Aaron Bell, Dawn Butler, Chris Clarkson, Katherine Fletcher, Andrew Griffith, Darren Jones, Mark Logan, Carol Monaghan, Graham Stringer, Zarah Sultana

I understand that you may be attending the committee meeting that includes an opportunity to question Whitty and Vallance about their advice relating to the CV19 pandemic.

Please would you ensure that these two charlatans explain:

1 – Why they refuse to consider the scientific judgement of others, including Professor Henighan of Oxford’s CEBM, Professor Sunetra Gupta, when those scientists suggest that these lockdowns do more harm than good.

2 – How they have balanced the QALY metrics used in NICE and elsewhere to measure the impact of their recommendations.

https://www.nice.org.uk/Media/Default/guidance/LGB10-Briefing-20150126.pdf

3 – How they have arrived at a reliable measure of the false positive rate for PCR tests when they have failed to conduct any field testing. This despite an earlier paper to SAGE recommending field testing (Mayers & Baker 3-June-2020)

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/895843/S0519_Impact_of_false_positives_and_negatives.pdf

4 – Why PHE has recently published (13-Oct) advice that the PCR tests should NOT be relied upon as a means of identifying CV19 infectivity yet they rely on these tests and even declare that they represent cases.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/926410/Understanding_Cycle_Threshold__Ct__in_SARS-CoV-2_RT-PCR_.pdf

5 – Why they fail to share any meaningful data relating to their so-called “not projections”.

6 – When they will offer their resignations for gross incompetence. Their contributions to this pandemic has done this country more harm than any enemy of the state could dream of.

I could go on.

Of course, your committee could also consider asking for their resignations.

225140 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to NickR, 2, #467 of 2928 🔗

Honestly that is a dismal bunch. King Carl’s eyes were rolling at times at the lack of understanding when he was their guest.

224951 muzzle, replying to muzzle, 14, #468 of 2928 🔗

My inlaws had a chimney sweep in last week. He refused to wear a mask. He said it was only people who work for big companies are being made to wear them. Top man. Father in law wasn’t very impressed though.

224960 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to muzzle, 4, #469 of 2928 🔗

Now if there’s ONE profession in this world where wearing a mask is probably a good idea…

224979 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #470 of 2928 🔗

Yep – Father-in-law!

225026 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to muzzle, #471 of 2928 🔗

Chimney sweeping will be done again by young boys soon.

224954 NickR, #472 of 2928 🔗
224955 alw, replying to alw, 10, #473 of 2928 🔗

Re Liverpool. There is no legal requirement to have a test and any decent employer will not want his business to close because someone had a test which is highly likely to be suspect. Germany just abandoned mass testing why do we persist with a highly flawed test and throw good money after bad?

224961 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to alw, 7, #474 of 2928 🔗

Throwing good taxpayers’ money in their trough for them to guzzle up. It’s essentially “government as money-laundering operation”

224967 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to alw, 1, #475 of 2928 🔗

Are people able to refuse testing under current legislation? Can the army force them? Will they be doing so?

225020 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to Carrie, #476 of 2928 🔗

See Simon Dolan above.

225031 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to alw, 2, #477 of 2928 🔗

Ok, yes, it is voluntary – so why the army then, if not to enforce compliance, or at least scare naive people into thinking they have no choice.?

225052 ▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Carrie, 8, #478 of 2928 🔗

To normalise having the army on the streets, get people used to seeing them. Eventually it will be

‘name and number’

‘4737 Carling sir’

‘health certificate Carling’

‘expired sir’

‘right, put him in the van with the rest’

Thickos can’t see it as they are too busy trying to save the NHS

225069 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to stefarm, 1, #479 of 2928 🔗

Exactly…

225393 ▶▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Carrie, #480 of 2928 🔗

If not the army then they have to use civil servants or employ people at huge cost of recruitment, paperwork, uniform etc.
With the army you have young people who do not think for themselves, are happy to follow orders and are probably bored at the moment.

224968 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to alw, 1, #481 of 2928 🔗

Sometimes it is good to state the obvious – Many Thanks!

225000 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to alw, 1, #482 of 2928 🔗

It’s a great idea if you have shares in a testing company, as our MP’s have

225033 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Cecil B, #483 of 2928 🔗

Can we ‘out’ all MPs who own shares in testing companies?

225001 ▶▶ FrankiiB, replying to alw, 1, #484 of 2928 🔗

That’s interesting – have you a link about Germany stopping mass testing please?

224965 CGL, 17, #485 of 2928 🔗

Maybe they think they will be infected by their own stupidity?

224970 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 14, #486 of 2928 🔗

JHB laying into Jenrick, who is spluttering and lying

224974 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Dan Clarke, 7, #487 of 2928 🔗

Even quoting the Coronavirus figures. The man is an idiot. Going straight to R number A model rather than facts

224975 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Dan Clarke, 16, #488 of 2928 🔗

God, I love this woman. If there were just 2 journalists in mainstream broadcast media with half her brains and skill doing their job half as well things would be very different.

224982 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Charlie Blue, 6, #489 of 2928 🔗

She was tough on Peter Bone regarding the scientists and government lying..

224980 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Dan Clarke, 6, #490 of 2928 🔗

Another greasy pole Tim Posh but Dim career politician… some of our leaders are Davos. All of the key men actually. The rest are blundering fools…

225104 ▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #491 of 2928 🔗

She is superb.

225116 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Now More Than Ever, #492 of 2928 🔗

Just wish she wasn’t so anti-Trump! That said, she seemed to listen when the Republican she had on, talked about personal freedoms..

224986 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 19, #493 of 2928 🔗

Just listening to a GB swimming Olympic medalist who said that over 200 swimming pools have closed and will never open again “BECAUSE OF COVID”
How many times do we have to repeat this fact.
Covid didn’t close the swimming pools and countless other venues and businesses, it is the hysterical overreaction by the government and their advisers and experts.
PS: J H B as got “5 homes Jenrick”
on the rack on Talk radio at the moment. 0

224988 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Fingerache Philip., 6, #494 of 2928 🔗

The last question, where will he spend his lockdown, ……

224992 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Dan Clarke, #495 of 2928 🔗

London, Shropshire, Herefordshire ?

224996 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Dan Clarke, 26, #496 of 2928 🔗

All these years I have battled self-doubt… council estate kid, no father… despite achievements like a 2:1 engineering degree with an ABB A level entry and stints at Stanford and Imperial.. years of doubting myself.. making mistakes.. no longer a home owner.. now kinda living hand to mouth after the tories wrecked my business. years and years of lack of confidence and anxiety and doubt..

And yet now I clearly see. It’s not because I lacked anything. Shit, like cream rises to the top. Perhaps more shit than cream.

225029 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #497 of 2928 🔗

If lockdown goes ahead, some enterprising person should track him for the whole month and see how often he travels and where to…

225037 ▶▶ Will, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #498 of 2928 🔗

“Their (CORRUPT) advisers and experts”

225040 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Will, 1, #499 of 2928 🔗

Fresh from their dreaming spires and Ivory towers.

226748 ▶▶ Michael Freeman, replying to Fingerache Philip., #500 of 2928 🔗

Yes. Everything will be destroyed but if thats “because of covid” then we can sit back at the Restaurant at the End of the Universe and watch the ultimate form of entertainment. “Oh, there goes Swindon ! Did someone forget to put their mask on?”.

224990 Dan Clarke, 12, #501 of 2928 🔗

Our human rights are being taken away daily. Today’s is the right to peaceful protest.

224993 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #502 of 2928 🔗

We have a VERY flawed Government/Parliament

225013 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Dan Clarke, 7, #503 of 2928 🔗

That’s like saying that cyanide is very flawed as a social beverage.

225621 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #504 of 2928 🔗

Actually, what we have is the most corrupt Government in UK Parliamentary History and a completely worthless LOTO who doesn’t understand something that is crucial to preserving rights and this providing some bloody OPPOSITION!

224994 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 10, #505 of 2928 🔗

Virus, who cares?

The financial can has been kicked down the road since 2008.

Lending more and more money to an enterprise that is already bankrupt will only make buffer day a whole lot worse

I don’t know if you have noticed but this month Premium Bonds have a nice new shiny website

Gone is the garish orange, black and white

Now it’s all pastel and autumnal browns for the guardians of £97.4bn

The major winners are announced on the 1st of each month, the winners of smaller sums two days later. The total latter sum is the larger.

The two days has now been pushed out to fours days. They have changed the rules to allow a substantial sum of money to stay on the government balance sheet for two days longer

So what you say?

Is it an unintended glimpse at the state of the books?

Is it an indication that buffer day is approaching fast?

226229 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Cecil B, #506 of 2928 🔗

They have reduced the prize rate too! I want to know what happens when the base rate becomes negative. Do the ‘winners’ get asked to make a contribution?

224995 richmond, replying to richmond, 8, #507 of 2928 🔗

Eight out of 10 people with the virus are asymptomatic, meaning they are silently spreading it (Daily Telegraph).

And have been doing so since last December, so we must by now have herd immunity, no?

225007 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to richmond, 6, #508 of 2928 🔗

How can you spread something you don’t have?

225008 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to richmond, 8, #509 of 2928 🔗

Yes, this one particularly pisses me off. They’ve twisted the whole “asymptomatic majority” thing around. At the beginning it was rightly said that “most people are asymptomatic so we shouldn’t be too worried about this”. But that won’t do at all, so now it’s “most people are asymptomatic, which is EXTREMELY DANGEROUS because they might be superspreading it”.

225038 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to richmond, 4, #510 of 2928 🔗

Next they will be letting the sick people out and keeping the healthy people in!!!

226797 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to stefarm, #511 of 2928 🔗

Didn’t they do that with the elderly at the start of this shitshow, thereby seeding the nursing homes with COVID.

225122 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to richmond, 1, #512 of 2928 🔗

If asymptomatic then not infected by a virus. Only infected by a virus if have symptoms.

224997 adele, 1, #513 of 2928 🔗

That list in the woke section – 😵
Unbelievable.

225004 Basics, 13, #514 of 2928 🔗

A tweet worth sharing – re Liverpool

Simon Dolan #KBF
@simondolan
·
1h
Important to note – the test will be offered, not mandated (they cannot mandate). So,

JUST SAY NO

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1323536975278837761?s=20

225009 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 15, #515 of 2928 🔗

The goal of lockdown is to ruin small and medium business and bring them under state control.

225147 ▶▶ Mark H, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #516 of 2928 🔗

I’ve said this since March. Put everyone on UBI then instruct them to go to work in recently stated-controlled businesses. Easy.

225677 ▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #517 of 2928 🔗

or sold to larger chains

225010 thedarkhorse, replying to thedarkhorse, 17, #518 of 2928 🔗

Anyone collecting stories about positive swab-tests; unfortunately I can’t provide first-hand evidence but a close and long-established friend has emailed me today with two accounts of people who have been phoned with “positive swab” results. The first lady had received a kit with two swabs, she apparently used one to swab the dog with, and returned it with the other one unopened. Both items were tested positive. Another man thought he had symptoms and went to a test centre, but was sent home because they had run out of kits. He received a positive test result by phone two days later.
We are being played for fools.

225027 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to thedarkhorse, 7, #519 of 2928 🔗

More people need to film themselves putting unused tests into envelopes, sending back then getting positive results.. If such films get wide distribution on social media then it might wake more people up..

225170 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Carrie, 1, #520 of 2928 🔗

Why take the chance of getting a positive result?

225317 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to PastImperfect, #521 of 2928 🔗

I get you… Long term though, does it exempt you from the vaccine?

225067 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to thedarkhorse, 2, #522 of 2928 🔗

The testing companies are incentivised to get positives so testing and hence money will continue.

225143 ▶▶ Mark H, replying to thedarkhorse, #523 of 2928 🔗

At an illegal dinner with friends we attended recently, we were told that one of their friends experienced this via her two sons, neither of whom decided to attend a scheduled PCR swab. Both were notified shortly afterwards that they’d “tested positive”.

225320 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Mark H, #524 of 2928 🔗

Either way they get you – a positive test (quarantine) to ‘punish’ you for not taking the test…

225628 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Mark H, #525 of 2928 🔗

Quite frankly, this is absolutely scandalous, truly scandalous. I can only assume it is occurring far more often than we know. Anyone who has experienced this please start a website for others to report on their experiences. Is there anyway of challenging these alleged tests and results as they will stay on these people’s medical records forever.

225169 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to thedarkhorse, 3, #526 of 2928 🔗

If all these stories are true, then there is simply a default positive outcome. Given their usual tactics, it wouldn’t really be default negative would it? So, as you say, we are being played.

225015 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 8, #527 of 2928 🔗

Waiting for a vaccine = Waiting for Godot : Discuss.

225632 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Fingerache Philip., #528 of 2928 🔗

Unbalanced has a lot of money to make with the vaccine given his personal investment into said company, millions in fact. Godot was existentialism and hopelessness in the waiting for said Godot.

225018 OldBaldGamer, replying to OldBaldGamer, 21, #529 of 2928 🔗

If masks work, Why are non essential shops closing for a month ?

Perhaps the Mask wearing Zealots can answer that one.

225058 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to OldBaldGamer, 2, #530 of 2928 🔗

Yesterday i drove past my local barbers. Large queue outside (mums with kids etc) 2 metres apart, masked like zombies, rainstorm.

226236 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to nickbowes, 1, #531 of 2928 🔗

There is no hope for these people…..they deserve everything they get.

225063 ▶▶ CGL, replying to OldBaldGamer, 1, #532 of 2928 🔗

No they can’t

225077 ▶▶ jb12, replying to OldBaldGamer, 2, #533 of 2928 🔗

They will always answer ‘it would be worse without them!’ Karl Popper will be turning in his grave.

225100 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to jb12, #534 of 2928 🔗

We should hook it up and get some free energy

226964 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to OldBaldGamer, #535 of 2928 🔗

Unfortunately they have no answer to that just as they don’t to anything else.

225019 Biker, replying to Biker, 1, #536 of 2928 🔗

Well well well seems like i’ve had a post removed. I guess Gentleman Don’t Take Polaroid’s after all.

225345 ▶▶ Chris John, replying to Biker, 1, #537 of 2928 🔗

Repeat it Biker dude. You post some good shit

225083 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to nickbowes, 3, #539 of 2928 🔗

That reminds me of that leaked photo a month or so ago, of Boris, Hancock, Whitty, Cummings and a few others. It was clear that Whitty was in charge – everyone else looked scared of him.

Anyone able to pull up the photo again? I can’t find it now..

226138 ▶▶ annie, replying to nickbowes, #540 of 2928 🔗

It has, but it bears repetition!

225032 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 2, #541 of 2928 🔗

From what I’ve read above we will know in a fortnight know the validity of the predictions/scenarios Professor Whitty and Sir Patrick presented at the weekend – as the lockdown will make no difference to the numbers dying over the next two weeks.

If they prove to be greatly overstated, is anyone going to lose their job? Would Professor Whitty and Sir Patrick have presented these predictions if their heads were on a block if any of them proved wrong. (We’re clearly not living in Tudor times now.)

The most scary, prediction – the one leading to 4,000 deaths a day – already appears to be way out – yet they were happy to show it.

225042 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Ned of the Hills, 3, #542 of 2928 🔗

I wrote to my MP and told her they should be removed from office. If they don’t the Cabinet will be. They are liars.

225094 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Ned of the Hills, #543 of 2928 🔗

as someone mentioned above, 4000 per day is half the peak of the whole world

225113 ▶▶ Kev, replying to Ned of the Hills, #544 of 2928 🔗

We already know the validity of the predictions/scenarios, there is none, they are pure fantasy, utter bullshit.

225138 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Ned of the Hills, #545 of 2928 🔗

You do wonder how Whitty & Vallance they sleep at night peddling lies and half-truths. They probably justify it in their minds as being for the greater good but if they had any integrity they would have resigned by now.

225378 ▶▶ Arkansas, replying to Ned of the Hills, 1, #546 of 2928 🔗

But we already know that the scaremongering exponential “not a prediction” graph of doom from last month was not fulfilled.

And we already know that the predictions from March/April didn’t play out.

The idea that we have to wait and see if what is said comes true and then push back, is flawed — it’s an endless cycle, because there will be another wait-and-see-requiring assertion along immediately.

The assertions can be judged on their content and the underlying evidence offered now; we can judge them and act in response to them based on them being true-sincere now rather than true-fulfilled later.

These predictions have no validity because they are not properly constructed, regardless of what happens subsequently.

225034 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 5, #547 of 2928 🔗

Unless this stops, in January 21, the government will be able to ‘cancel’ debt and take over small and medium business that they have forced into bankruptcy and take them under state control, there will be ‘conditions’

225043 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #548 of 2928 🔗

Is that the ‘next step’ on the leaked Canadian document?

225049 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Carrie, 1, #549 of 2928 🔗

sounds like it, business who ploughed their hard earned cash into protections for customers, are now closed again.

225228 ▶▶▶▶ cerati, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #550 of 2928 🔗

It wasn’t just money for the protections they asked to be in place. In hospitality, for instance, changing over to a full table service model would have been a complete shift in some premises service delivery model, entailing changes to epos, staffing models, process etc etc. That all costs extra money.

Demanding customers have to eat a substantial meal with a drink. If you don’t run a dry operation, and then try to, it will fail and cost you money while it’s failing. It also kills the wet side of your business.

The arrows they’ve shot into the hearts of business, through their diktat on how private businesses must be operated, is disgraceful.

225313 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to cerati, 1, #551 of 2928 🔗

Someone in the US posted on Twitter about people needing more ID to go to a restaurant now than to vote in an election – a good point…

225183 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Dan Clarke, #552 of 2928 🔗

The many venture capitalists will be waiting to pounce probably. I wonder how many ministers have interests in these?

226782 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Dan Clarke, #553 of 2928 🔗

If everyone becomes a public servant, because the State owns everything, then either everyone gets a DB pension, or no-one, including the present public sector, gets a DB pension. Just saying!

Declaration of interest – I am a former public servant who has 7 years preserved benefits owed by the (Irish) government – due to kick in in 13 years time.

225035 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 3, #554 of 2928 🔗

All animals are created equal but some, the state-payroll apparatchik class, the uniformed enforcers, the trough-feeders and the judicial satraps are more equal than others.

“Break up, break up, the tables of the good and the just.”

– Freidrich Nietszche.

225044 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Stuart, 1, #555 of 2928 🔗

Or in black country “spake”; Bulls××t baffles brains.

225047 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, #556 of 2928 🔗

What time are Aaronson and Rutherford up before the committee?

225055 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Cecil B, #557 of 2928 🔗

2.30 I believe

225048 Mel, replying to Mel, 8, #558 of 2928 🔗

Normally the woke gobbledegook makes me cringe, and there are some egregious examples on there again today, but middling White guy plank of wood with a haircut is quite the best description of Kier Starmer i’ve ever read.

225064 ▶▶ Adam, replying to Mel, 4, #559 of 2928 🔗

Starmer is another toady who needs holding to account for being so neausating and following government

225196 ▶▶ cerati, replying to Mel, #560 of 2928 🔗

It’s not the worst description, but as someone goes after a persons appearance, they’ve lost any chance they had of me listening to them.

225050 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 1, #561 of 2928 🔗

Surely these vent bed figures cannot be correct? They indicate all have been within last 24 hrs. All trends otherwise seem to be downward or levelling.
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225093 ▶▶ theanalyst, replying to Sarigan, #562 of 2928 🔗

You are correct. The ‘1 Day Change’ numbers in the Regions are incorrect (wildly overstated). The ‘Last 24 Hours number is the total beds occupied as at a point in time. The real change is modest – e.g London has 132 beds occupied versus 119 on 27th Oct.

225054 Adam, 7, #563 of 2928 🔗

Time for conservative MP’s to start writing no confidence letters to their 1922 committee, call time on this sorry Premiership Britain will continue to go round in circles as long as Johnson ,Hancock, Witty and Vallance are around https://www.saveourrights.uk

225056 reason, replying to reason, 8, #564 of 2928 🔗

It may have been on here yesterday when somebody pointed out that around 8,000 deaths worldwide in one day was the the peak. It seems that figure is indeed correct which makes a forecast of 4,000 in GB alone utterly absurd (stupid/ ridiculous/insert your own).
Will anyone point this out to Dimwhitty and Unbalanced this afternoon?

225066 ▶▶ CGL, replying to reason, 3, #565 of 2928 🔗

Someone JHB was just talking to said this

225057 CGL, replying to CGL, 10, #566 of 2928 🔗

Apologies to carry one on from yesterday, but Ceriain put this pic up when I was asleep.

If I got the virus and had some long lasting effects, I wouldn’t be expecting the whole country to pay with their lives, or that they should all be as miserable as me.
Also, not that I necessarily think the NHS should survive now, but I am assuming this person is hoping it will look after his many ailments. How does he think it will be paid for if no one is working and paying any taxes??
It’s a tad short-sighted isn’t it?

225065 ▶▶ jb12, replying to CGL, 9, #567 of 2928 🔗

He loves it, revels in being ‘ill’.

225072 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to jb12, 3, #568 of 2928 🔗

I can’t tell that from the photo though – I can’t work out why

225076 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to CGL, 6, #569 of 2928 🔗

Wow, even Tedros of the WHO, who is apparently isolating at the moment, has not resorted to this!

How much was this guy paid to do this, and by whom?

225202 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Carrie, 2, #570 of 2928 🔗

I was wondering if Tedros will take one for the team and, er, decease himself. It would big up the covid myth no end.

225333 ▶▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to thinkaboutit, 2, #571 of 2928 🔗

Tedros or Deadros?

225951 ▶▶▶▶ TT, replying to thinkaboutit, #572 of 2928 🔗

I’ve been hoping for that from our entire ‘task force’ of ‘experts’ for most of the year now… would do more to convince me than all of their spreadsheets, graphs and stats bollocks twenty times over.

225434 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Carrie, 1, #573 of 2928 🔗

Yeh, probably an actor. Sourced, given a script/prop, and paid, by SPI-B.

225097 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to CGL, 6, #574 of 2928 🔗

Depression and lack of exercise/sunlight/nutrition (plus the effects of being permanently muzzled)? Not saying long symptoms of serious disease don’t exist, but simplest explanation is often the best.
Either that or he was on the Astra Zenica trial and acquired transverse myelitis.

225117 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to CGL, 11, #575 of 2928 🔗

Hypochondriac. No sympathy

If he is still sick suggest he improves his diet and address his nutrient deficiencies. Oh and wearing a mask will DEFINITIVELY compromise his immune system and reduce his brain capacity.

225151 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Victoria, 3, #576 of 2928 🔗

I think it’s probably quite reduced already, don’t you?

225124 ▶▶ Mark H, replying to CGL, 5, #577 of 2928 🔗

Who the fuck is that masked gimp? “Day 95”: trying walking it off, sunshine, try walking it off.

225159 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Mark H, 2, #578 of 2928 🔗

Should have put a health warning up about the muzzle maybe – it has clearly offended more than I expected. 🙂

225335 ▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to Mark H, 1, #579 of 2928 🔗

He’s a massive walking fanny

225165 ▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to CGL, 2, #580 of 2928 🔗

So, no worse than your first marathon, then.

225176 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Lyra Silvertongue, 1, #581 of 2928 🔗

Oh god – nothing could be worse than that surely? Sadly I will never know!

225178 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to CGL, 6, #582 of 2928 🔗

Look at me, look at meeeeeee!

225200 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to CGL, 2, #583 of 2928 🔗

Sounds a bit like glandular fever which can also come on after a viral infection.

225264 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to CGL, 7, #584 of 2928 🔗

Maybe someone who is suffering from cancer who had an operation cancelled and will now die as a result can do a similar timeline – they could have things like:

“day 96 – size of tumor / amount of morphine I’m on to block out the pain / estimated days left until death / number of people I am never going to get the chance to see ever again in my entire life”

225314 ▶▶ Miss Owl, replying to CGL, 5, #585 of 2928 🔗

If he’s been wearing a/that mask for 95 days, then no bloody wonder he’s got all that.

226260 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to CGL, #586 of 2928 🔗

Lets hope he gets lots more symptoms!

226772 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to CGL, #587 of 2928 🔗

That is what he gets from wearing a mask.

225062 VickyA, replying to VickyA, 5, #588 of 2928 🔗

Simon Dolan tweet – data from NHS whistleblower
apologies if already posted

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1323528843454484481

225112 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to VickyA, 4, #589 of 2928 🔗

On his Twitter feed there is also a post about Priti Patel banning protests. In peoples’ comments on that thread, someone has posted a useful ‘I do not consent’ poster for businesses to use, referring to common law – thought it might be useful for business owners here?

225149 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Carrie, #590 of 2928 🔗

Carrie – can you copy that here, please? or give a link that isn’t Twitter?

225230 ▶▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Rosie, 4, #591 of 2928 🔗

Not sure of the quality but this is it

225259 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Sarigan, 1, #592 of 2928 🔗

Thanks. Shame I’m so useless at tech things – need to download and print that out.

225308 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Sarigan, #593 of 2928 🔗

That’s the one!

225363 ▶▶ HaylingDave, replying to VickyA, 1, #594 of 2928 🔗

I knew it!

Regarding C19 bed occupancy …

From the document above: “This measure has changed from the 28th September. Now a measure of beds occupied by C19 patients rather than C19 patients on mechanical ventilators.”

Add it to the list of artificially inflated, obfuscated data to crank up Project Fear .. bastards!

225073 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 21, #595 of 2928 🔗

Asymptomatic means that there are no symptoms. So rather than assume, because you have no symptoms you don’t have the virus, the government have used their word ‘Asymptomatic’ to convince people that if you have no symptoms you must be silently spreading a virus you dont have.

225105 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #596 of 2928 🔗

All thanks to your friendly neighborhood behavioural scientists

225107 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Dan Clarke, 9, #597 of 2928 🔗

They always try this asymptomatic thing to scare people and to make policy.

When infected by any virus you will always have symptoms. If symptoms have not showed up you cannot infect others.

225293 ▶▶ Simon, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #598 of 2928 🔗

Boris has no symptoms of the Ebola virus, but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t have it and shouldn’t be quarantined….

225321 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Simon, 4, #599 of 2928 🔗

So should we test everyone for everything constantly? Or only the ‘virus’ they need to ruin the economy?

225078 mattghg, 10, #600 of 2928 🔗

Our MP has written a blog post explaining what he thinks about the new lockdown:

https://www.johnhowell.org.uk/news/john-comments-new-lockdown

For context, last week he used his influence to keep our area out of Tier 2 (to his credit). You would have thought that it would be too much of a leap of cognitive dissonance to then vote for the entire country to be subjected to much worse restrictions only a few days later, but apparently not.

Anyway, the real reason I’m sharing this is that you can tell from the blog post that he’s been getting a lot of angry e-mails, which I take as some small encouragement. It’s also why I don’t believe the polls supposedly showing that people are overwhelmingly in favour of this new lockdown.

225081 chaos, replying to chaos, 10, #601 of 2928 🔗

I know supermarkets are not empty. Though they are struggling again. But my online delivery with ASDA of about 40 items.. looks like I am only going to get 8 of those items.

I wonder how very sick people will cope again with no slots and nothing ‘available’.

225089 ▶▶ CGL, replying to chaos, 7, #602 of 2928 🔗

I do click and collect with Tesco’s and I can’t order frozen chips or peas until 3rd December.
Haven’t been able to for 2 weeks or more – way before the onset of any new panic buying started.
2 staple items for most households that they have decided they won’t supply.

I don’t think it is just because they are running out, I think they want people to go to the stores as they are missing out on a lot of impulse buying. If people can’t get what they need delivered, they will have no choice will they.

225211 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to CGL, 3, #603 of 2928 🔗

Or see the later post about Asda – they know everyone has to go to supermarkets and surveillance there seems to be being increased. If everyone is forced to go to the shops, they’ve got us haven’t they, unless we all starve to death. They just make it completely impossible to do anything at all. The net is closing fast.

225244 ▶▶▶▶ chaos, replying to CGL, 2, #604 of 2928 🔗

You are reading too much into the suirveillance at supermarkets at this stage. Remember most people are masked. We are not in China’s social credit black mirror yet.. give it another 3 or 4 years though…

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/7513619/tesco-asda-morrisons-supermarket-facial-recognition-checkout-till-scan-age/

225306 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to chaos, 2, #605 of 2928 🔗

They have already perfected the software to allow facial recognition of people in spite of masks – see China..

225428 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Carrie, 2, #606 of 2928 🔗

Perfected software ? Hmmmm.

225082 davews, replying to davews, 2, #607 of 2928 🔗

Just been down to our surgery for my flu jab. Found a couple of nurses in the car park, syringe in hand, who took my name, asked me if I had had any new prescriptions (thought of saying why ask that with your being locked up since March). Said they had to do it this was as ‘we can’t let anybody inside’. Took a mask in case they insisted but all done before I could put it on.

225086 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to davews, 10, #608 of 2928 🔗

Injections in car parks? Sounds crazy…

225126 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Carrie, 5, #609 of 2928 🔗

Same with testing centres. The one near here is a dirty tent in a dirty, windswept corner of a dirty park. For a deeply invasive medical procedure up to your brain’s membrane.

225137 ▶▶▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Rosie, 5, #610 of 2928 🔗

I ride past one pretty regularly and it’s the same, grubby car park full of tents and metal barriers. Curiously enough I have never seen anyone going in, the hi-viz lot just stand around looking bored. The other one in my city is in the town hall which I know was used for rock concerts and clapped-out ‘comedians’ back in normal times and judging by appearances hasn’t been cleaned since sometime in the ’70s.

225160 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Lyra Silvertongue, 3, #611 of 2928 🔗

It’s those metal barriers that give me the shivers. MIne is up against a railway line and there is a narrow entrance but I can’t see an exit.
How many people are they intending to coral into them?

225218 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Rosie, 3, #612 of 2928 🔗

Sorry Rosie just made the same point. It’s a good one!

As Carrie says it’s all crazy.

225128 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Carrie, 6, #613 of 2928 🔗

What’s crazy about being approached by a masked stranger brandishing a sharp implement in a carpark?

225955 ▶▶▶▶ TT, replying to Charlie Blue, #614 of 2928 🔗

Good thing is that you’ve got a perfect excuse to punch them in the face – still used to the ‘old normal’, sorry…

225214 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Carrie, 4, #615 of 2928 🔗

Injectiin in a car park? Luxury!

Armed forces on your doorstep pushing a swab up your nose to press your brains membrane -that’s dicey…

225085 chaos, replying to chaos, 9, #616 of 2928 🔗

We all know brexit isn’t going to happen right? All on the same page? Stanley’s jizzmoid has fucked us over like the christmas turkeys none of you will be eating?

225186 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to chaos, 2, #617 of 2928 🔗

It never was.

225339 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #618 of 2928 🔗

The future…would get Brexit this way…
“The General election result has rocked the establishment. Johnson’s majority looked solid despite the defections to Reform around Christmas. But little did we know that a general election would be forced so soon. Reform’s final total of 326 seats has been remarkable, (continues)

225088 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 43, #619 of 2928 🔗

Postcard from Poland after talking to the son last night.

They are going into lockdown again with the army on the streets to back-up the police and enforce it (his girlfriend’s brother is one of them so it’s 1st and knowledge, troops not happy).

Rising cases the excuse but as many of his girlfriend’s friends are nurses in hospitals and care homes they all say “what cases? What patients? We’re at work bored when we do get work as shifts been cut” same as they have been saying since April.

Same shit, same bullshit excuses, same timing, different country.

Still just a coincidence?

225157 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Awkward Git, 14, #620 of 2928 🔗

Troops not happy ” is an interesting bit of information. It gives me a glimmer of hope that, at least amongst domestic forces, there will be an unwillingness to oppress their own people.

Foreign troops/mercenaries are an entirely different kettle of fish. If we allow ourselves to drift down the darkest path, I would not be in the least bit surprised if Johnson (or any of his successors) allows UN/EU troops on British soil.

225163 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Richard O, 3, #621 of 2928 🔗

On top of that, our proper police (bobbies) are being jostled and nudged, having their hours extended and shift patterns made chaotic.

225187 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Rosie, 7, #622 of 2928 🔗

I have much less faith in the Police actually. The institution has been severely weakened by years of Common Purpose infiltration, and judging by their performance in 2020 there has been little or no pushback against embracing the enforcement of the regulations.

225687 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Richard O, 2, #623 of 2928 🔗

We must be the only Police state in the world without err, any actual visible police!

225842 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to Jo Dominich -, 1, #624 of 2928 🔗

We may be the only police state in the world in which ‘The Police’ are special needs with dangerous toys, where they are not anti-social psychopathic thugs with a grudge against society.

225432 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Rosie, 2, #625 of 2928 🔗

Niedersachsen, a county in the north of Germany, has just amended the weekly hours for care personnel upwards to 60. Any sane employer will not ask their staff to work that long, but they have a shortage – anyway – and because staff need to isolate. The comments on the news item were scary.

226764 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Richard O, 1, #626 of 2928 🔗

It is only 30 years since the last time the public stood up to the police/army in Eastern Europe. Their memories can’t be that short.

225092 Danny, 15, #627 of 2928 🔗

Usually around this time of year a day off from work will mean starting the day at a coffee shop. Comfortable sofa and a good book. It’s the little things.
Anyway, reading as I do this time of year, some Dickens, and came across this great passage in The Chimes. A conversation between a hard working yet poor, elderly man concerned about his family, and a local MP on New Years Eve.

“Your only business, my good fellow is with me. You need not trouble yourself to think about anything. I will think for you. I am your perpetual parent.”

225103 kf99, replying to kf99, 13, #628 of 2928 🔗

The quote from the heritage worker is so interesting. It’s quite profound when you think about it.

“I had absolutely no authority to tell people not to wear masks”

But who has the authority to tell you to tell people to wear one? If no such person is around, I don’t think they did anything wrong at all. It’s a great model to follow.

225119 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to kf99, 5, #629 of 2928 🔗

I agree. It’s been inspiring me. I’ve got 6000 leaflets coming tomorrow and looking for volunteers to trial them on Thursday. South London

225206 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Rosie, 3, #630 of 2928 🔗

Ok – my leaflets have arrived. If anyone wants to help distribute then contact me via my website https://www.beautyandthebeastlytruth.com/
South London

225173 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to kf99, 6, #631 of 2928 🔗

I noticed a newspaper headline we are “allowed” Remembrance Sunday. This government is following invented data, it no longer has the moral authority to tell us what do do.

225198 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to thinkaboutit, 2, #632 of 2928 🔗

That’s to do with what Lord Sumption’s recent lecture.
Do listen! What newspaper was that?
Lord Sumption calling out the British gov’s actions as unconstitutional, etc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amDv2gk8aa0

https://resources.law.cam.ac.uk/privatelaw/Freshfields_Lecture_2020_Government_by_Decree.pdf

225298 ▶▶ Arkansas, replying to kf99, 2, #633 of 2928 🔗

Or more broadly: no such person can ever be around, because nobody can truly have the authority to tell people to wear a mask? So this guy’s authority is as authoritative as anyone else’s, really.

225348 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to kf99, 1, #634 of 2928 🔗

it’s the job of the Police to enforce the law and nobody elses.

225412 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to karenovirus, 1, #635 of 2928 🔗

Mask ‘law’ or other laws ?

If I see someone breaking into my car, I should phone the plod ?!

225108 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 7, #636 of 2928 🔗

https://twitter.com/madmaik09/status/1323543507802464256/photo/1
For all lockdown believer,the second lockdown in European countries seems to be even more wrong in time compared to the first .

225114 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to swedenborg, 1, #637 of 2928 🔗

Logged Thanks!

225110 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #638 of 2928 🔗

Just received the usual platitudes and excuses from my MP after emailing him urging him to vote against the 2nd lockdown bill on Wednesday.
NO SURPRISE THERE THEN!

225123 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #639 of 2928 🔗

Well done, Philip. It may ultimately be futile, but I think that we need to keep making our views known to our ‘representatives’. They can then never pretend that they didn’t know any better and we can bever be accused of failing to exercise those few rights still allowed to us.

225127 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Charlie Blue, #640 of 2928 🔗

Thank you.

225111 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 6, #641 of 2928 🔗

If not posted already..Newsom was overruled last night by judges..

https://www.politico.com/states/california/story/2020/11/02/newsom-exceeded-authority-with-emergency-order-judge-rules-9424613

Had a look at the LA Times, not even a dickie bird!?

https://www.latimes.com

225125 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #642 of 2928 🔗

Always interesting to observe the interplay between state law and federal law in the US. Here in the UK if there are differences between one place and another it’s a “postcode lottery” according to the MSM. So we are all the same, my area with almost no covid now going into total lockdown

225141 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #643 of 2928 🔗

Did you also read about ‘Scorecard’, which explains why the Dems are so laid back? It is software (an algorithm) which can change people’s votes retrospectively, so they can alter the results in the Dems favour…

225219 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Carrie, 1, #644 of 2928 🔗

I think big tech controlling the narrative is pretty undemocratic as it is. Whatever happens next, we’ll need some popcorn

225118 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 12, #645 of 2928 🔗

Leadsom or Loathsome?

Tick up for Loathsome

Down for Leadsom

Make a choice don’t stand on the sidelines

225212 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, #646 of 2928 🔗

Yes she is on the list

225130 nottingham69, replying to nottingham69, 9, #647 of 2928 🔗

Scousers just say no.

225144 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to nottingham69, 7, #648 of 2928 🔗

Oh they will

‘Have you heard the one about the Scouser who volunteered to be locked up?’

‘No neither have I’

225277 ▶▶ cerati, replying to nottingham69, 3, #649 of 2928 🔗

If they eventually extend this, to the whole north west, and someone in military uniform turns up at my door asking if I “want to volunteer” for a Covid test….that will be right about the point the straw breaks.

225135 James, replying to James, 8, #650 of 2928 🔗

“My dear brethren, never forget, when you hear the progress of wisdom vaunted, that the cleverest ruse of the Devil is to persuade you he does not exist!” Rough translation from Baudelaire.

Anyone still fooled? Anyone still thinking this is just hubris and stupidity. Anyone still imagining it will all be over by Christmas?

225156 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to James, 6, #651 of 2928 🔗

I don’t think it’ll be over by next Christmas, let alone this one.

225146 Richard, replying to Richard, 6, #652 of 2928 🔗

Anyone else noticed the increase in celebratory infection stories ? Another one in the Mail today

225154 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Richard, 9, #653 of 2928 🔗

I know. It’s awful. Worse than ALS and stage 4 cancer. You sometimes get a cough.

225527 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Richard, #654 of 2928 🔗

No sympathy

225148 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 13, #655 of 2928 🔗

In the old days trying to find a cure for the common cold was a metaphor for a noble but ultimately futile task. Well so far we’ve spent £5m per person trying to do it and that’s just the start.

225152 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Achilles, 4, #656 of 2928 🔗

That puts it into perspective…

225164 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Achilles, 4, #657 of 2928 🔗

Based on say £1 trillion in loans and business losses perhaps by January.. I made it about £16k per person in the UK or about £20M per person in the UK who supposedly died from it…

225150 Lms23, replying to Lms23, 4, #658 of 2928 🔗

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FI_aK6W-jp0
Tucker: Trump is an indictment of America’s ruling class

Watch this video, whatever you think of Trump.
Then think about our own class of politicians, those who are going on tv and radio to defend this second lockdown, ignoring the terrible damage being done to this country at the same time. They won’t answer direct questions, just keep to their little speeches which fly in the face of statistics on government webpages.
They have contempt for us – not all of them, there are a few not going along with it – and do not stand up for anyone except themselves.

Tucker Carlson sums up this contempt by the ruling classes very well, and why 30-50,000 people in a small town in middle America turned out to see Donald Trump. That’s rock concert/Beatles level of crowd, but without either.

225162 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Lms23, 4, #659 of 2928 🔗

If Trump wins, despite the Democrats’ shenanigans (they’re threatening loads of court cases to contest the result), what do we think will happen with Covid and the Great Reset?

Discuss!

225342 ▶▶▶ John Galt, replying to Carrie, 2, #660 of 2928 🔗

Here’s what Biden has pledged to do:

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225346 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to John Galt, 3, #661 of 2928 🔗

Which is why he must not win

225984 ▶▶▶▶▶ TT, replying to Carrie, -1, #662 of 2928 🔗

Sadly I don’t believe for a second that Trump getting reelected will make a shimmer of a difference (he wouldn’t even be running if he wasn’t in cahoots with the people driving this insanity), but I still hope Biden loses just because you can’t have more a stooge than that. Woudn’t be surprised if Trump ends up taking the army to the streets to fight the Virus after the elections, if some opinion poll would show some positive effect on his popularity. But hey, whatever gives you hope.

225182 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Lms23, 4, #663 of 2928 🔗

There was a Democracy Now report doing the rounds claiming a study showed 700 deaths were linked to his rallies.

I am forever shocked by people’s total stupidity

225158 Mabel Cow, 14, #664 of 2928 🔗

No test, no quarantine .

One for the Liverpudlians.

225161 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 28, #665 of 2928 🔗

Just had a call from the Guide Dogs for the Blind charity.

I e-mailed them after they had sent me details of their online shop selling facemasks with cute dog motifs on them. Promptly cancelled my monthly direct debit. Bloke wanted to know why, so I told him in no uncertain terms.

It’s funny though, they only contacted me when they realised the money hadn’t gone through (dd dated yesterday!). He asked if I had put my concerns in writing so I told him yes, several weeks ago which, surprise, surprise prompted no response. He said he would raise it at today’s meeting. You do that pal, you do that.

225177 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to kh1485, 9, #666 of 2928 🔗

well done. This is pushback at the right level in society.
Smallish organisations that need to be helped to realise that compliance will destroy them, and that they don’t need to do so.

225201 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to kh1485, 6, #667 of 2928 🔗

Well done, that lady.

225318 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Sam Vimes, 7, #668 of 2928 🔗

Aren’t facemasks particularly problematic when around dogs anyway? In terms of recognising their owners etc.

225371 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to kf99, 3, #669 of 2928 🔗

They’ll recognise by smell. 🙂

Communication, yep, facial expression v important.

225540 ▶▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to kf99, 3, #670 of 2928 🔗

Yes. Halloween masks used to freak out our dog.

225544 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to kh1485, 2, #671 of 2928 🔗

It’s perhaps not quite the right meme but: Get woke go broke.

225166 Biker, replying to Biker, 6, #672 of 2928 🔗

Gutted to have been censored, looks like it’s Visions Of China for me. Can’t be having that. Hopefully we’ll never meet. Adios Amigos

225171 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Biker, #673 of 2928 🔗

What’s happened?

225174 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Biker, 4, #674 of 2928 🔗

Are you sure you have been censored? Might it have been due to including too many links in one post?

225181 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to Biker, 6, #675 of 2928 🔗

What was censored Biker? Can you describe in other terms, or give us a link please?
I for one don’t want you to go. I value your input massively, I don’t always agree with you but you have my respect.
Whatever you decide to do, look after yourself and your family, I hope you will continue the fight.
Best Wishes,
Arnie.

225191 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Arnie, 6, #676 of 2928 🔗

Yes – some of us look forward to seeing your posts, and look for them if we haven’t seen you around for a while.

225184 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Biker, 5, #677 of 2928 🔗

Stay here Biker. We can’t be losing you.
My internet is playing up, it could be AI in your service provider, many possible explanations.

225208 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Biker, 4, #678 of 2928 🔗

Stick around, dude. We need your humour, strength and lack of bullshit.

225276 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Biker, 3, #679 of 2928 🔗

I’d rather live in China right now. At least they have some economic flow and sense of freedom. I don’t see much shade between them and the U.K.

225179 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 16, #680 of 2928 🔗

I hope I’m wrong but I fear for the “safety” of fellow sceptics. This imprisonment will go on long after Christmas and the sceptics will get the blame because we are not following the rules. Don’t forget politicians will never blame themselves, but they will blame others ie people are dying because we are not wearing masks. This is likely to lead to violent assaults on non mask wearers because the sheeple are in lockdown and it’s our fault.

225190 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Smelly Melly, 5, #681 of 2928 🔗

Yep, it’s like the Tutsi Hutu thing

The Dictator is deliberately inciting genocide

225193 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #682 of 2928 🔗

Do we need to click ‘Delete all my posts’ yet?

225203 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to CGL, #683 of 2928 🔗

Too late. Why do you think they are closing the borders?

Genocide is the only thing they haven’t tried yet

225287 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Cecil B, 3, #684 of 2928 🔗

The border closure is very worrying… clearly they think they have legislated a way to circumvent the Human Rights Act..

And legislated to prevent themselves from being prosecuted for their actions..

225227 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to CGL, 2, #685 of 2928 🔗

No, they’ll already know who we all are.
We need to use this short window of opportunity as energetically as possible.
Remember the saying, “You might as well be hung for a sheep as for a lamb”?
Meaning that the penalty for either was death, so you might as well throw caution to the wind.
Numbers are important.
Be bold. Be Brave.

Here’s the song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWqa4Rpq4PE

225998 ▶▶▶▶ TT, replying to Rosie, #686 of 2928 🔗

If everybody agrees to take just one of the b*****rds with them when they go, we’d at least have a legacy worthy of mention in the annals.of the Great Deception

225205 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Smelly Melly, 8, #687 of 2928 🔗

If you think it’s bad now with masks, just wait until the vaccine rollout begins.

I do not fear anyone or anything. If the worst comes to the worst and I am threatened with deadly force, then I will respond in kind with whatever tools are available to me. And I’m not at all a violent person, I’ve never been in a fight in my life.

Besides, if this hypothetical future attacker manages to kill me, then they will be doing me a massive favour.

225242 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Richard O, 9, #688 of 2928 🔗

Agree, I always had the faint hope that Britain would resist totalitarianism.

Listening to the likes of Priti Patel, Matt Hancock and Tobias Ellwood I think we are quickly heading to a full on fascist police state with isolation / concentration camps. All whilst the majority of the British public happily comply with their enslavement.

225255 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Darryl, 7, #689 of 2928 🔗

I don’t think Johnson will be PM if/when this regime goes full on totalitarian. Indeed the position of PM as we currently know it may not even exist in the new order. A dark horse like Ellwood would be the perfect candidate to take over once the fat pig has completed the transition period (a job that he has done to absolute perfection thus far it must be said).

225273 ▶▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Darryl, 6, #690 of 2928 🔗

The sofa won’t be as comfortable when Furlough money is replaced by Universal Credit. That will be a tipping point. Although I do sense an anger now bleeding through a lot more.

225440 ▶▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Leemc23, 3, #691 of 2928 🔗

Universal Credit is soon to become Universal Basic Income (with strings attached such as being a good slave and complying with any testing regimes). Seems an awful lot like the technocratic Chinese governance model that the likes of Bill Gates admire.

226319 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Darryl, #692 of 2928 🔗

Be fun to see Patel trying to use force herself…it would be like being savaged by a dead sheep as Denis Healey once said about cretin Geoffrey Howe. Denis please come back…labour was decent then!

225272 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Richard O, 9, #693 of 2928 🔗

I’m scared when that moment comes. I have been in a fight and have been in combat..When push comes to shove,my training will kick in and bad things will happen..guaranteed!

225877 ▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Richard O, #694 of 2928 🔗

Very well said. Echoes my feelings exactly!

226312 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Richard O, 1, #695 of 2928 🔗

I grew up on a Manchester council estate so learned about violence from a young age. The first thing you learn is that if you back off you get it twice as bad from then on.

225213 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Smelly Melly, 21, #696 of 2928 🔗

I agree.

A customer just said to me, when I said I was pretty angry at this latest assault on our liberty, that it is the fault of those who don’t comply. So I told her I have just as much right to not wear a mask as she does to wear one and that it’s my body, my choice. She backed down but I agree, this is where we are headed.

226334 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to kh1485, 1, #697 of 2928 🔗

Its the fault of those who do comply! That just gives the abuser more encouragement to tighten the screw further. Your customer is a moron sadly but there are lots of such regime fodder about.

225246 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Smelly Melly, 5, #698 of 2928 🔗

Ah yes, the reason that the people’s factory didn’t meet its monthly output quote is because of saboteurs.

226352 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to mattghg, #699 of 2928 🔗

That was an old communist favourite line!

225405 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Smelly Melly, 3, #700 of 2928 🔗

I know many people who are not outright sceptics but are not wearing masks and getting on with life normally enough. Many of them NHS staff. I was at a family members house ON Sunday and she had 5 households round all normal, tea and biscuits around the kitchen table. We are in full lcokdown here. She’s a theatre nurse. Her daughter was there who is a Doctor, as was her boyfriend who’d stayed the night. Her other daughter is a teacher and her husbans who was also there works for the BBC. She actually had been diagnosed with Covid two weeks earlier and spent a week in bed.

I know I see this in a more extreme way than they do, but it’s clear to me they just want to do the bare minimum. Is it based on real principles? I don’t think so. They don’t see the mission creep. The fact we need to protect the NHS and they won’t lose their jobs to do so is a warm blanket for them to support lockdowns.

It’s coming for them however. They can’t sit on the fence much longer.

225466 ▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Smelly Melly, 2, #701 of 2928 🔗

Johnson is already setting the path for this with his comments that people are not isolating and the need to ensure people are isolating if they test positive. I noticed my gardener, who ftom our chats is an absolute sceptic said yesterday that the lockdown was because people up north are flouting the rules. I was really surprised, so corrected him with a few facts and he seemed then back on track. But, if he is slipping into this belief, the zealots certsinly will.

226303 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #702 of 2928 🔗

My partner saw a comment on her weight watchers social media about someone boasting that they threw a baguette at someone who was not wearing a mask! If anyone does that with me it will not be a baguette going in the opposite direction!

225185 Stethetea, 4, #703 of 2928 🔗

Morning everyone, just a quick point which I hope Toby picks up on. The cases in Liverpool have NOT dropped as a result of Tier 3. The cases here peaked a week before the transition into Tier 3 around 6th October and from my own experience, nothing changed in normal life after we went in to Tier 3, save for maybe a few less people in bars. Gyms were still full, everyone still mixed households and continued as they normally would.

225188 charleyfarley, replying to charleyfarley, 11, #704 of 2928 🔗

The Ross Clark story might be a critical point.

Will MPs grill Vallance and Whitty today about their lies, or let them off?

If they give them a proper grilling it should be a sacking moment.

If they don’t the cover up will be in plain sight.

I don’t see how the media could ignore this.

225221 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to charleyfarley, 4, #705 of 2928 🔗

It will be a whitewash. Looking at real facts, they are dead in the water from the latest scam alone. But that won’t happen, will it? “Our experts lied, it’s all wrong, we’ve cancelled the lock down and all of it”. Naaah.

225192 Basics, replying to Basics, 12, #706 of 2928 🔗

Asda

I have just had the following message from a friend does anyone know more about why facial recognition is being used in Asda to permit sales?

—- went to self serve (checkout) yesterday I think. His face came up on the screen . They are now filming you at till. He asked assistant why , she mumbled she wasn’t sure. He then touched screen to put garlic thru. It wouldn’t put garlic through until it could see him show the garlic in his hand on screen !

My friend is never using Asda again they say. But is this now coming to all supermarkets?

Is this covid related or just normal procedure now?

225197 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Basics, 3, #707 of 2928 🔗

Oh dear

225204 ▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to CGL, 2, #708 of 2928 🔗

Refusal to sell sugar and alcohol above a maximum permitted quantity next?

225199 ▶▶ Snake Oil Pussy, replying to Basics, 1, #709 of 2928 🔗

Did the machine tell him to take his mask off?

225231 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Snake Oil Pussy, 5, #710 of 2928 🔗

Have asked for the mask situation. Not sure if we are talking mask on or off from the start. The till not allowing a sale until item and person in same frame is a gross over reach of our liberties. The German two supermarkets off better quality cheaper in my opinion.

225236 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to chaos, #712 of 2928 🔗

Thanks, login-wall for free trial but I got the idea.

225288 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Basics, #714 of 2928 🔗

Is that on the way in all supermarkets?

225292 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Basics, 3, #715 of 2928 🔗

The cameras have been in Asda for ages.

225300 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to Basics, 2, #716 of 2928 🔗

sounds more like an anti-fraud and theft measure than a covid measure to me. I’m sure you could always use the human checkout of you prefer. Or go somewhere that isn’t so suspicious of its customers.

226667 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Recusant, #717 of 2928 🔗

I remember Sainsbury’s announcing the £millions they were going to spend on CCTV for the robot checkouts because people were putting bottles of spirits through as bags of carrots.
I remember thinking how many actual people they could keep on checkouts for that.

225323 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Basics, 11, #718 of 2928 🔗

If facial recognition is going to be standard thing, I’m going to wear one of these when I shop.

225327 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Mabel Cow, 3, #719 of 2928 🔗

I expect someone (if they haven’t already) will come up with make-up e.g. creams and foundations that reflect and confuse the AI attached to these cameras… I bet someone in China has made such a thing already.

225354 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to chaos, 2, #720 of 2928 🔗

I read of something being developed along those lines a few years ago. Some geeks in the States, I think it was.

225209 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #721 of 2928 🔗

Has Heneghan sold out?
What do you make of this, from DT live:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-covid-second-lockdown-rules-uk-cases-england/

The government’s three-tier system was effective in bringing down the number of coronavirus cases, an Oxford University professor has claimed.

Carl Heneghan, director of the university’s Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine, said cases in Liverpool, where the most severe restrictions were imposed, had been brought down by a half and that hospital admissions had “stabilised”.

…. He told the Today programme: “Many of the measures are working as intended.”

225220 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Cheezilla, 12, #722 of 2928 🔗

Toby in today’s post made a similar admission. It reads like a badly misguided attempt to establish Johnson’s tier system as a compromise position between the extremes of sanity and national lockdown.

I remain committed to the extreme position of actual normal sanity.

225232 ▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to Ovis, 9, #723 of 2928 🔗

And the apparently now bizarre and unacceptably anti-social idea that Covid-19 is nothing out of the ordinary and certainly not a reason to create a global authoritarian hellhole.

225261 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Ovis, 2, #724 of 2928 🔗

Absolutely

225461 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Ovis, 1, #725 of 2928 🔗

I have not read the articles, but I guess he is trying to be “moderate” so that he gets invited at all.
Try be too sceptical and you are conspiracy lunatic and not given a voice.
In Germany even slightly critical voices are absent from MSM, and if, then they are ridiculed.

225252 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #726 of 2928 🔗

No idea about Carl Heneghan’s position, I would want to hear him say it to judge context. As Ovis says it appears misguided. But perhaps he didn’t say such a thing in such a way, yes DT, why trust any paper when to government is at them. Also we don’t know the situation Heneghan finds our of public sight. He appears to be a logical and clear thinking person. More to it?

225262 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #727 of 2928 🔗

My initial reaction was the same, but I am suspicious of how his views might have been represented/misrepresented.

I think that sometimes it is necessary to focus on the most perilous, immediate problem and drive it home, rather than cloud the issue by talking about wider issues. National lockdown is the immediate problem, I think. CH has always been clear that locking up healthy people and testing anything that moves is not defensible and I would be amazed if he has changed his position.

225267 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #728 of 2928 🔗

Remember, this is (badly) reported speech: there’s no context for the “Many of the measures” bit, but the first part is Heneghan saying severe restrictions weren ‘t needed because cases and admissions had come down. Look at what they mean, not what they say.

225280 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #729 of 2928 🔗

Have they only selected particular parts of what Heneghan said? The bits that support the argument the journalist wants to make?

225524 ▶▶ bucky99, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #730 of 2928 🔗

Think it’s more to do with context (and it’s a very narrow context indeed) – the Tier stuff may well have achieved in its stated aim of slowing the current spread – less social contact, etc etc.

What’s missing is that it’s a completely useless strategy in the medium-long term, simply kicking the can down the road. And let’s not even start on the whole cost/benefit of whether it’s worth it.

225805 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #731 of 2928 🔗

He told the Today programme: “Many of the measures are working as intended.”

Many more people are facing poverty and many more businesses are going bankrupt.

225217 Lydia, replying to Lydia, 4, #732 of 2928 🔗

I’ve drafted an email to MP regarding the vote tomorrow. I don’t really want to put it on here in case I’ve written a terrible email and it gets torn apart publicly. How can I send it to someone to check for me, if anyone would like to help me?

Thanks.

225225 ▶▶ William Gruff, replying to Lydia, 1, #733 of 2928 🔗

Why not ‘publish and be damned’?

225233 ▶▶▶ Lydia, replying to William Gruff, #734 of 2928 🔗

Too afraid.

225238 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Lydia, 4, #735 of 2928 🔗

Fine – this is ‘my thing’.
Send it to me here
https://www.beautyandthebeastlytruth.com/contact-us

225299 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lydia, replying to Rosie, 3, #736 of 2928 🔗

Sent.

225336 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Lydia, 4, #737 of 2928 🔗

Well done. you along with the rest of us have stood up and have been counted.

225349 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lydia, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #738 of 2928 🔗

Thank you.

225226 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Lydia, 7, #739 of 2928 🔗

I’ll venture that you have written what any sensible person would say, and it is unlikely to be castigated on here.

225237 ▶▶▶ Lydia, replying to Sam Vimes, 11, #740 of 2928 🔗

Ok, this is the part that I’m not confident on. Let me know if its ok.

The measures announced on Saturday 31 October are being taken because we now have hundreds of so-called cases. Cases don’t mean infections they mean a person, very likely an asymptomatic person, has required a positive test result. A medical case is where a patient experiences signs of symptoms of an illness or disease, seeks medical help which can result in diagnostic tests being performed and together with a discussion of symptoms with a GP/Medical Practitioner then a diagnosis can be made. How can mass testing of the public showing no symptoms be defined as cases?!

225247 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Lydia, 7, #741 of 2928 🔗

Perfect, Lydia! Even an MP should be able to understand that. Nothing remotely controversial there. Suggest changing “required” to “acquired”. Great work!

225251 ▶▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #742 of 2928 🔗

Was just going to say the same. Seems Lydia has a perfectly reasoned argument in that paragraph.

225271 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lydia, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #743 of 2928 🔗

Thank you! I have changed the word to acquired.

225250 ▶▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to Lydia, 4, #744 of 2928 🔗

That looks fine to me.

225253 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Lydia, 4, #745 of 2928 🔗

We have a name for that kind of talk here in the North West; we call it ‘the truth’.

225256 ▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to Lydia, 4, #746 of 2928 🔗

Have faith in yourself. That looks perfectly well argued to me. Agree with Charlie about changing one word only. Probably a typo!

225269 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lydia, replying to steph, 2, #747 of 2928 🔗

Thanks Steph, I have changed this.

225263 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Lydia, 3, #748 of 2928 🔗

Looks fine, except I’d say putting “thousands” rather than “hundreds”, where you are talking about positive test results, would leave you less open to a cheap rebuttal response.

Unless you are talking about just your local region and “hundreds” is correct, of course.

225268 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lydia, replying to Mark, 1, #749 of 2928 🔗

Thank you. I’ve changed to thousands.

225285 ▶▶▶▶ Recusant, replying to Lydia, 2, #750 of 2928 🔗

Good work! Thank you for sharing, it is accurate and honest, and it really makes me feel better to know that other people think this too.

225332 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lydia, replying to Recusant, 3, #751 of 2928 🔗

Thank you. I just can’t sit here and not do anything. My husband sent our MP an email but his was more straight to the point; stop testing, stop lockdowns and I do not consent to any vaccine so unsubscribe me from your emails. Within 5 minutes he received a reply from the MP’s admin staff informing him on how to unsubscribe. So, they do get read just not by the MP themselves.

225341 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Lydia, 2, #752 of 2928 🔗

No surprise there then.

226681 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Lydia, #753 of 2928 🔗

I think that’s great!

225240 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Sam Vimes, 4, #754 of 2928 🔗

Absolutely! I have never seen anyone given anything approaching a hard time when they are asking for help. However, if you have written from the heart, then it will be perfect anyway. I recommend making your main point in the subject line, e.g. “I urge you to vote against the lockdown” – we never know when or if they will be read properly.

225266 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #755 of 2928 🔗

recommend making your main point in the subject line
Agree. Always assume it won’t be read and you need to get the message across in the subject and first words.

225274 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lydia, replying to Rosie, 1, #756 of 2928 🔗

I’ll change the subject line. Thank you.

225289 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Lydia, 3, #757 of 2928 🔗

I’ve stopped being polite with my MP (Nadine Dorries)

I never expect a reply, but I don’t mind reminding her what a disgusting, evil little shit I think she is.

225338 ▶▶▶ Lydia, replying to captainbeefheart, #758 of 2928 🔗

I get a reply about 3 weeks later from our MP even tho he says he will reply in 7 days.

225347 ▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #759 of 2928 🔗

I’ve taken to mocking mine on his facebook page.

225364 ▶▶▶▶ Lydia, replying to William Gruff, 1, #760 of 2928 🔗

My husband does that a lot to our MP. Never replies.

225450 ▶▶▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to Lydia, 1, #761 of 2928 🔗

I would not be surprised to learn that he has nothing to do with his Facebook page and leaves its management to someone else. My hope is that I may encourage others and that widespread mockery is then brought to his attention.

226373 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to captainbeefheart, #762 of 2928 🔗

An appalling Tory…one of the very worst.

225290 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Lydia, 2, #763 of 2928 🔗

Just send it,Lydia,As Peter Hitchens says; keep it short and to the point.
I got a reply from my MP, trotting out all the usual blather and platitudes but at the moment, that’s all we can do.

225315 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Lydia, 1, #764 of 2928 🔗

Ok Lydia, we’ve got it and are just proof reading it for you 🙂
Re-writing a little bit for you to make it clearer but it’s very good as the others say.
We’re all having to do things we’ve never had the courage to do before!

225222 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 2, #765 of 2928 🔗

Not sure if Tim Bidie has posted this new paper, sorry if it is a duplicate, but quite interesting
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/joim.13198#.X5nxlacu1JA.twitter

On the relationship between BCG coverage and national Covid‐19 outcome: could “heterologous” herd immunity explain why some countries are better off?

“In the present work, I demonstrate a strong correlation between the number of years that countries implemented BCG vaccination plans and age‐standardised mortality rates during the first months of the pandemic in Europe. Further analyses of age groups in two European countries with comparably few confounding factors and easily identifiable groups of BCG‐vaccinated and non‐vaccinated subgroups suggest a population‐level effect of BCG on national outcomes of Covid‐19. This phenomenon of “heterologous herd immunity” deserves further investigation, both in epidemiological and experimental studies.

225476 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, #766 of 2928 🔗

The below graph is very interestng

225234 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 9, #767 of 2928 🔗

For what it’s worth, just managed to book a haircut for this aft, then had a quick tour past Lidl, Home Bargains and Aldi. All looked normal, no door goons, queues or hordes of panic buyers. Yet.

225516 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Sam Vimes, #768 of 2928 🔗

Local Morrisons removed their Enter & Exit signs – can now use any door

225520 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #769 of 2928 🔗

Local Morrisons removed their Enter & Exit signs – can now use any door

225235 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 34, #770 of 2928 🔗

Someone gets it:

225249 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to Sarigan, 5, #771 of 2928 🔗

Excellent stuff!

225331 ▶▶ Simon, replying to Sarigan, 3, #772 of 2928 🔗

Hahahaha

225374 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Sarigan, 3, #773 of 2928 🔗

You think this is excellent. But I suspect Lewis will be your tribal nationalist anti Westminster type. If this read nicola is a cunt he’d be disgusted.

225241 Biggles, replying to Biggles, 5, #774 of 2928 🔗

The BBC is useful for something (never thought I’d say that). In their online service you can enter your postcode to check the number of ‘cases’ in your area. Did that for my town (Darlington – currently Tier 2) and the figures were as follows

21-27 Oct 296 (277/100K) -35 on previous week
24-30 Oct 254 (238/100K) -50

So a pretty significant downward trend. Will be interesting to see if it continues,

225422 ▶▶ Mel, replying to Biggles, 3, #775 of 2928 🔗

Barnsley – top of the red hospital list, 1,230 cases in the last week. -117 compared with the previous week.

7192 detcted “cases” so far in THE WHOLE PANDEMIC. Guessing we’ve had a glut of testing going on somewhere. (My bet is the local hospital. It didnt take COVID patients all summer, hardly took any in March and April. Most were sent to Sheffield. Poor infection control and staff testing positive seems likely).

225243 Arnie, replying to Arnie, 31, #776 of 2928 🔗

Save the NHS.

From what exactly? From doing their job?

Here’s a novel suggestion; why doesn’t the NHS save US? You know like, kinda, what they did up until February 2020?..

There are 55,000 less hospital beds than in year 2000. That’s roughly 20% less. Surely if the NHS is running out of beds it needs more beds!

Don’t forget folks that ALL of the NHS debts were cleared by the government at the start of this. That the government also gave massive funding increases to the NHS AS WELL!

So the NHS is awash with money.

What would I do if given the option to work hard or sit on my bum but either way I’ll get paid full wages?

I estimate that 90% of GP’s and hospital doctors are running at 10% (ten percent) capacity or under. I spend a lot of time in and around hospitals for various reasons so I can often see what is going on.

I wouldn’t blame the lazy bastards for sitting down all day if it was of no consequence. But obviously people are dying. Picture your GP with their feet up on their desk…

I have been trying to contact my GP for 5 days now, over 60 unanswered calls. Their doors are locked, there is no response from their website and, get this, their letterbox has been bolted shut!

First do no harm…

225248 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Arnie, 8, #777 of 2928 🔗

They are all on the list

I might need to go paperless

225419 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Cecil B, 1, #778 of 2928 🔗

You need to go steel!

225254 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Arnie, 6, #779 of 2928 🔗

Half as many beds as 30 years ago. Can’t only blame the Tories for that either.

225328 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to leggy, 1, #780 of 2928 🔗

No,remember Blue Labour.

225454 ▶▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #781 of 2928 🔗

Blue China might be more appropriate. Army on the streets in Liverpool? Implied that anybody?..

225756 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #782 of 2928 🔗

I have to correct you here. Under Blair’s Government they put hundreds and hundreds of millions of taxpayers money into the NHS to modernise treatment, secure early diagnosis and treatment, buy up to date equipment that will enable better treatment etc. What did the NHS do with the money? They spent it on themselves. They gave GPs., Consultants, Nurses massive pay rises. They created tiers and tiers of new managers, they substantially regraded PAMs (Professionals allied to Medicine OTs etc) who are technicians and gave them massive pay rises and so on and so forth. Not a penny of that money went on patients. I know because I worked with the NHS at the time and saw all this go on.

I will say this, and let’s be clear, the Government do not control the NHS, the NHS has its own budget and can spend that as it wishes. It is not Governments that close acute beds it is the NHS. I could go on about chronic financial waste in the NHS but this is not the forum.

225423 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to leggy, 3, #783 of 2928 🔗

They wanted to SAVE MONEY by reducing and concentrating “health” care on large buildings… Now they pretend that everyone must be far apart!

225275 ▶▶ steph, replying to Arnie, 6, #784 of 2928 🔗

Bloody hell, letterbox bolted shut? Words fail.
We use a private GP when we need something in a hurry. Goes back to working in the city where we could not possibly wait at home on the off chance we would get through.
Obviously finances are not what there were since Covid attacked our revenue stream. Luckily we are pretty healthy so far.
It’s a shocking state of affairs for all the money spent.

225424 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to steph, 4, #785 of 2928 🔗

Stupid slip there. Apologies. Covid did not attack our revenue stream, the government’s overreaction did.

225453 ▶▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to steph, 5, #786 of 2928 🔗

Steph, without knowing anything about you I can see that you have retained your ability of critical thinking. That puts you in the top 1% of the country intellectually. All that from you just noticing that you had misspoken. Can I have a sticker for noticing too?

Keep up the good work.
Arnie.

225467 ▶▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to Arnie, 1, #787 of 2928 🔗

⭐️

225291 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Arnie, 12, #788 of 2928 🔗

The letterbox is bolted shut to stop people pouring petrol into it and burning the whole fucking house of NHS bastardry to the ground.

225447 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Two-Six, 1, #789 of 2928 🔗

I like that suggestion, but would anybody actually notice if any the health centers were burned down given how well (sic) they are currently performing?..

225416 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Arnie, 7, #790 of 2928 🔗

Why have a NHS if when it’s MOST NEED they don’t want anyone to use it, due to a cold season?

225764 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Voz 0db, 1, #791 of 2928 🔗

Most excellent question dude!! Because they love not having those pesky patients to deal with that interfere with their otherwise cushy little number. Damn it, those pesky patients costs money that takes away from their pay rises, that means they err actually have to do some work as we;;/

225245 Burlington, replying to Burlington, 15, #792 of 2928 🔗

I noted this paragraph in the Round Up section from Steve Baker:

“I think that Parliament should refuse to approve any further regulations under Public Health Act, and say that they should be resubmitted under the Civil Contingencies Act. Whatever one’s opinion about the new lockdown, it is impossible to defend the absence of proper Parliamentary scrutiny in a Parliamentary democracy. I suspect that the appetite for rejecting regulations under either Act may be limited. But the advantage of this scheme is that ministers would have to come before the House at regular intervals with a coherent explanation, backed by evidence. What the last 6 months have shown is that decisions made in cabinet cabals, without wider deliberation or exacting Parliamentary involvement are likely to be less well through out, less coherent, and more impulsive”.

perhaps something alog these lines would make a good petition to Parliament.

225258 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Burlington, 5, #793 of 2928 🔗

If Simon Dolan’s judicial review is successful then this is exactly what they’ll have to do. If.

225297 ▶▶ kf99, replying to Burlington, 1, #794 of 2928 🔗

What acts do the devolved assemblies use? There seems to be just one law for them: do what you like, call it health-related, and that’s fine, because health is devolved….

225310 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Burlington, 9, #795 of 2928 🔗

He’s right, but I am sick of Steve Baker’s blathering. He had plenty of chances to make a stand, and failed every time. He’s a poseur, playing at defending liberty while collaborating in its destruction. I would rather hear from a hardline, unapologetic lockdown zealot.

225330 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Julian, 2, #796 of 2928 🔗

I see it as self-protection, in case of later trials.. ‘evidence’ that he tried to stop it all…

226390 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Carrie, #797 of 2928 🔗

He tried to stop nothing…he is full of sh 1t.

226388 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Julian, #798 of 2928 🔗

He caved in to critical race theory too…the man is a lightweight with no balls.

225265 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 30, #799 of 2928 🔗

Just had a lady give us the info’ that Cheezilla posted yesterday (common law stuff). She is going round all the businesses in the town: good.

And all our customers are asking if we are staying open. They all seem to have no intention of abiding by this new load of bollocks.

225282 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to kh1485, 8, #800 of 2928 🔗

Good, Good.

John Lennon started a revolution from his bed

We are going to do it from a cafe

225326 ▶▶ DocRC, replying to kh1485, 5, #801 of 2928 🔗

Kay, If you stay open I shall certainly come in and support you. Keep us informed.

225396 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to DocRC, 3, #802 of 2928 🔗

Thanks. Be nice to see you both again.

225337 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to kh1485, 4, #803 of 2928 🔗

If you go to Simon Dolan’s Twitter and the post about Priti Patel, someone in the comments has posted a poster for businesses to use regarding common law. I think Rosie has posted it here as well..

225391 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Carrie, 3, #804 of 2928 🔗

Thanks Carrie, will do.

225767 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to kh1485, 2, #805 of 2928 🔗

Good. Can the hospitality and retail sector now also refuse to close? That would be a seriously good start.

226265 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Jo Dominich -, 1, #806 of 2928 🔗

They certainly need to – strength in numbers and all that. Sadly, we are the only sceptical business in the town.

225278 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 10, #807 of 2928 🔗

I suspect entering a test centre in Liverpool will be as popular as buying a Sun newspaper

Has the dictator ever met a scouser?

But, hey ho if the dictator is dull enough to try it

225303 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Cecil B, 4, #808 of 2928 🔗

They had a picture of a very long queue (apparently) for tests in the Liverpool Echo, I know just about the all the media is carefully managed propaganda, but many seem to be falling for the getting tested when you are healthy scam.

I really hope the people of Liverpool say no to the dictator. But I bet they use the football clubs and the cathedrals to really guilt trip and manipulate people into getting tested for the ‘greater good’.

225340 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Darryl, 5, #809 of 2928 🔗

I’m waiting for the first report of the army forcing someone to get tested against their will…

225367 ▶▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to Carrie, 5, #810 of 2928 🔗

I live on mersyside and regularly check the local tsting station round the corner. As in my previous posts the queues are non exisitant as is anyone not actually working there 0 nul nada

225380 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Iansn, 3, #811 of 2928 🔗

This was planned well before now. Those test centres were designed for Moonshot.

225394 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #812 of 2928 🔗

some serious efforts are needed to shut them down

226774 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Iansn, #813 of 2928 🔗

Firework accident? (as in box of)

225359 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Darryl, 2, #814 of 2928 🔗

I wonder if there’s been any research on T&T Centres as focii of infection? 🙂

225398 ▶▶▶ Mel, replying to Darryl, 3, #815 of 2928 🔗

Drove past a test centre set up in Meadowhall car park in Sheffield on Halloween about 3 pm. Not a soul there but the testers. Empty.

225429 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Mel, 3, #816 of 2928 🔗

Every test centre I have seen on the Auditing Britain (real on the ground coverage) YouTube channel has looked completely empty and desolate apart from staff.

Yet, in media coverage they always look busy – staged state propaganda yet again, they clearly view UK citizens as their enemy for some reason.

225279 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 5, #817 of 2928 🔗

https://twitter.com/alfonslopeztena/status/1321788149815824385

“COVID Test-Trace is no longer possible in Germany, there are too many cases, says Merkel: “We no longer know where 75% of infections come from. We can no longer say that a particular sector does not contribute to infections at all”

Most countries in Europe now throwing in the TETRIS towel.
Below quote says it all about test and trace and isolate(TETRIS).Sorry,can’t get where it comes from but rings true.

225355 ▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, 2, #818 of 2928 🔗

… but this was all foreseen in strategy documents before 2020. Thus none recommended general, untargetted use of track and trace.

225377 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to RickH, 2, #819 of 2928 🔗

And I think that was recommended even with the consensus view that epidemics were not driven by asymptomatics. Now that’s changed of course.

The scary thing for me is that we see such aspects of this come full circle and the sceptics argument proven correct again. Yet the Public Health dictators simply don’t get it that something akin to the GBD is required. Instead they’ll double down and say “Well, we need to lock everyone up”

These people have no sens eof freedom, no sense of self accountability. They are extremely dangerous

225401 ▶▶ calchas, replying to swedenborg, 4, #820 of 2928 🔗

Merkel: “..We can no longer say that a particular sector does not contribute to infections at all”

Sounds like the perfect excuse to close evrything down.

225281 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 4, #821 of 2928 🔗

Interesting article on why MPs will vote the lockdown through and how the media are complicit. Our only hope of breaking this tyranny is mass non compliance, MPs certainly won’t save us.

http://www.frombehindenemylines.org.uk/2020/11/a-list-of-fbels-covid-19-articles-and-brief-comments-regarding-continuation-of-coronahoax/

225366 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Darryl, 3, #822 of 2928 🔗

And our church leaders from Welby all the way down to the vast majority of parish priests of all denominations will not help either.
The response of Church leaders to the very real suffering inflicted upon the people of this country has been callous indifference.

225414 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Stephanos, 2, #823 of 2928 🔗

The senior clergy sadly see themselves as members of the technocratic establishment and have no time for the general populace or their views.

I don’t expect them to speak out even if there if indefinite isolation camps like in New Zealand (the technocrats dreamland of conformism).

Can’t say a lot for the blind conformism of the majority of Christians who don’t care about the destruction of their faith and the deliberate social engineering to encourage worship of state institutions.

226411 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Darryl, 1, #824 of 2928 🔗

The senior clergy are complicit in evil. Some of them even want to destroy beautiful choral music in their churches as its not inclusive enough.

226795 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Darryl, #825 of 2928 🔗

Onward Christian soldiers

Fight the good fight with all thy might

Stand up for Jesus ye soldiers of the Cross

Will your anchor hold in the storms of night

Dare to be a Daniel

225283 DocRC, replying to DocRC, 8, #826 of 2928 🔗

Here is an email I send a couple of weeks ago to my MP, followed by her reply.

Dear Mrs xxxxxxxx

Last evening Lord Jonathan Sumption, the retired Supreme Court Judge, gave a lecture to a Cambridge Law Society. Here is the opening paragraph:

“During the Covid-19 pandemic, the British state has exercised coercive powers over its citizens on a scale never previously attempted. It has taken effective legal control, enforced by the police, over the personal lives of the entire population: where they could go, whom they could meet, what they could do even within their own homes. For three months it placed everybody under a form of house arrest, qualified only by their right to do a limited number of things approved by ministers. All of this has been authorised by ministerial decree with minimal Parliamentary involvement. It has been the most significant interference with personal freedom in the history of our country. We have never sought to do such a thing before, even in wartime and even when faced with health crises far more serious than this one.”

It is difficult to disagree with what he said. I urge to to read the whole transcript which I attach for your convenience.

As I have said to you before, I would never have believed that a British Government would be so illiberal and authoritarian as to treat the population in such a way. I truly fear for our democratic way of life, not only in the UK but in the Western World.

Regards,

and her reply:

Dear Dr

Thank you for your email. Over the past several months, I have read with interest what Lord Sumption has remarked.

That we have such freedom to voice our opposition to the government of the day’s policies is a hallmark of our democracy. That is a freedom, of course, that does not exist under authoritarian regimes. In any event, it remains the case that each restriction introduced by the government in the fight against the coronavirus is wholly underpinned by the scientific advice it receives from the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies. Moreover, the government demonstrably does not take decision to restrict our way of life easily, evidenced by its localised approach to suppressing the virus. It is right that we continue to balance the freedoms to which we have rightly become accustomed to while also making meaningful progress in tackling the virus.

Again, I know this is not a response with which you will be inclined to agree but am grateful for you taking the time to contact me.

Kind regards

That’s fine then. Our liberties can be taken away if SAGE says so!! So the localised approach to suppressing the virus here in Uttlesford in rural North Essex where the latest number of “cases” is approximately 10 (2nd November) required us to be in Tier 2 currently before disappearing down the rabbit hole of national lockdown on Thursday.

225295 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to DocRC, 4, #827 of 2928 🔗

” … grateful for you taking the time to contact me …” Yeah right. Same load of patronising guff I got.

225302 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to DocRC, 4, #828 of 2928 🔗

Ahh the delightful Mrs Badenoch. As always, never one to read the fine print. I wrote to her again yesterday, but cc’d all the 1922 committee + others. This is because when time comes I can evidence that I made her aware.

The freedoms we have become accustomed to ? I don’t know when the argument will be made that a tax needs to be applied to Oxygen because we have become accustomed to breathing it. But freedom is the same.

225307 ▶▶ steph, replying to DocRC, 3, #829 of 2928 🔗

There is just no hope. These people are idiots except the ones who are fraudsters and know exactly what they are doing.
I agree with the sentiment of ignoring it as much as possible but the things I want to do have been closed for months. I can’t exactly force concert halls and theatres to open. My son can’t force the pub where he works to open or the ones he wants to visit after work.

225324 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to steph, 2, #830 of 2928 🔗

There is always hope Steph, but to be honest that can be very hard to see right now.

225286 Arnie, replying to Arnie, 18, #831 of 2928 🔗

Anybody who is over five years old would not be surprised to know that colds are doing the rounds in the schools and colleges at the moment.

At least that used to be the case. Brain fog and mass delusion make the majority a bit hard of thinking these days. Critical thinking or reasoning wot dat?

I have a teenager at college, the colds are spreading throughout their classes as they do.

Each & every one are having a massive panic attack when they get it, their parents are even worse, they are literally dropping everything to ‘GO AND GET A TEST!’

It’s honestly like they only have hours to live.

This isn’t just fear though. There is massive peer pressure to be seen to be doing more than the next person to, firstly save themselves from certain death, but also to be allowed to continue friendships and peer groups.

And as for the virtue signalling. Sigh.

We have kept teenager off college. Not because they are particularly ill but to save them from the mind poison.

We were already homeschooling but saw college as good for social interaction & team skills. I think we will be going back to homeschooling proto.

225369 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Arnie, 2, #832 of 2928 🔗

Fair play to you.

The social divisions are there for all to see.

225437 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #833 of 2928 🔗

Thank you. Winning side already chosen. Now we just gotta work out how to win…

225381 ▶▶ Will, replying to Arnie, 2, #834 of 2928 🔗

Most of the panic and fearmongering is coming from the teachers.

225433 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Will, 1, #835 of 2928 🔗

Yup, couldn’t agree more. Mask wearing outside in the rain? Wtf?

226423 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Will, #836 of 2928 🔗

Teachers are not very bright….I know I am an ex one!

225294 chaos, replying to chaos, 10, #837 of 2928 🔗

Dissonance.

Imagine if at his last rally Trump had said ‘I will fight against and expose the corona Trojan horse.. I will fight and expose The Great Reset’

225305 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to chaos, 8, #838 of 2928 🔗

I think that if he did this, several bullets will fly out from the nearest grassy knoll and blow his brains out before he could get past the word “horse”. Some bloke in a nearby book repository would get the blame.

225344 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to captainbeefheart, -6, #839 of 2928 🔗

It’s OK – Trump would never use long words like ‘reset’.

225361 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to RickH, 6, #840 of 2928 🔗

Whereas Biden uses some quite big words. The problem is no-one has any idea what they mean.

225407 ▶▶▶▶ Alexei, replying to RickH, 3, #841 of 2928 🔗

Do the 77th ever clock off or do you just piss in a bottle and keep tapping away?

225757 ▶▶▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Alexei, #842 of 2928 🔗

They probably drink it.

Let’s face it, if the government served up a plate of shit and put it in front of people, most of them will eat it.

226800 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to captainbeefheart, #843 of 2928 🔗

I’d say that metaphorically speaking, many already are.

225312 RickH, replying to RickH, 9, #844 of 2928 🔗

The Liverpool trial has been made possible by the approval of four new types of instant Covid tests that do not need to be processed in a laboratory and can be used in homes, schools or small testing centres. “

I smell £££££ for snake oil.

225316 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to RickH, 4, #845 of 2928 🔗

Who’s paying for these tests ?
When 90% of people at the height of a pandemic are testing negative what the ducking hell is the point in this ?

225397 ▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to Leemc23, 1, #846 of 2928 🔗

We are.

225322 ▶▶ DocRC, replying to RickH, 6, #847 of 2928 🔗

If the good people of Liverpool have any sense (and I’m pretty sure they do!) they will have worked out that it is no-one’s interest to volunteer to be tested.

225386 ▶▶▶ Mel, replying to DocRC, 6, #848 of 2928 🔗

Sheffield are choosing not to be tested.

https://www.facebook.com/100000302950967/videos/3587021564651240/

Empty test centre at Meadowhall. Our High figures in SY seem to be compulsory student testing and Hospital acquired infection mostly, as far as I can tease out.

226802 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mel, 1, #849 of 2928 🔗

WOW, that is so BIG. It might be empty now but what on earth are they preparing for?!

225329 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to RickH, 1, #850 of 2928 🔗

Yes, and all the usual suspects are promoting them. I hope the good folk of Liverpool will use what remain of their rights and refuse the financial incentive to comply.

225353 ▶▶ JudgeMental, replying to RickH, 3, #851 of 2928 🔗

All part of this £100 billion massive waste of money.

225469 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to RickH, 1, #852 of 2928 🔗

With an unknown false positive rate

225319 chaos, replying to chaos, 9, #853 of 2928 🔗

Many people voted for Boris Kemal’s oven-ready brexit, handing him a dangerous majority. Despite voting for brexit, I don’t do tory, so I voted IRA.. I voted Corbyn… it seemed to me both leaders had huge faults and I chose the less faultiest fault.

Anyhoo.. fast forward months of house arrest.. we are not going to get oven-ready brexit. But we have arrived at oven-ready marxism. More marxist than Corbyn and Marx ever imagined. Gobble gobble gobble… all turkeys are equal, some turkeys are nut roasts.

225351 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to chaos, 2, #854 of 2928 🔗

There isn’t yet a satisfactory term for the system of governance we are moving into. It draws on a wide range of ideologies from a variety of authoritarian systems, right across the political spectrum.

225334 RickH, replying to RickH, 2, #855 of 2928 🔗

Pity about the ‘Woke Gobbledegook’ item – a peculiar mish-mash of decontextualised hobby-horses roaming about the paddock – some healthy and some about as lame and misconceived as any SAGE pronouncement.

I would suggest not contaminating the central issue here with the sort of unexamined assertions that are the essential problem.

226808 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to RickH, #856 of 2928 🔗

Yes. I’ve always thought that section is a waste of space (and time and effort) under the circumstances.

225532 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Brian ‘Monty’ Cohen, #858 of 2928 🔗

This kind of thing always gets my hopes up, but then I remember – they will just ignore it.

225350 Paul E, replying to Paul E, 1, #859 of 2928 🔗

Hi, morning everyone, a question I hope someone can point me in the direction of.
Its to do with Nightingale Hospitals. These were opened to a huge fanfare, particularly in London and were there to ease pressure on the NHS but I have seen little mention of them.

So is there a link or site where:
1) we can see how many are Nightingales are open now
2) How many beds in each Nightingale are occupied
3) what capacity Nightingale has remaining

Thanks in advance

225358 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Paul E, 2, #860 of 2928 🔗

There is one in Northern Ireland which is being used. But it’s lightly staffed.

The hospitals here are overwhelmed due to staff off or isolating. That is leading to theatre nurses being moved to covid wards for exam ppe, and surgeries being cancelled. Clusterfu*k

225360 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Paul E, 2, #861 of 2928 🔗

A doctor on talk radio actually said they were essentially a white elephant, merely done as a PR exercise to make the government look good, they were mostly empty according to the press at the time.

225375 ▶▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to Anothersceptic2, 4, #862 of 2928 🔗

The entire ‘lockdown’ fiasco has been a PR exercise. Essentially we had a Tory Government that didn’t want the negative headlines associated with ‘our’ beloved NHS being overwhelmed. Hence ‘Save the NHS’ taking priority over everything else.

225420 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Anothersceptic2, 1, #863 of 2928 🔗

They were but that reflected the NHS’s ruthless abandonment of the majority of its non Covid patients, so it had plenty of spare capacity in hospitals. There is no reason now why we shouldn’t open up the Nightingale hospitals if required.

225382 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Paul E, #864 of 2928 🔗

Glasgow one is going to be dismantled

225410 ▶▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to stefarm, 2, #865 of 2928 🔗

I contacted my (SNP) MSP to ask why the Government was tendering the management contract for the decommissioning at the same time as they were warning us about the imminent ‘second wave’. It seemed like a strange time to be reducing hospital capacity. Needless to say, I’m still waiting for a reply.

225552 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to DJ Dod, #866 of 2928 🔗

A very tidy contract, £500k just to provide consultancy and then another contract to dismantle

225404 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Paul E, 1, #867 of 2928 🔗

Most have been “mothballed” is my understanding ie can brought into play within a few days. The government’s reluctance to even mention them is highly suspicious. Their position now appears to be that every scheduled bunion excising, mole removal and gender reassignment op must proceed on time and if a national lockdown is necessary to achieve that, so be it.

225444 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Paul E, 1, #868 of 2928 🔗

The main issue was that patients had to sedated and tubed as there were limited toilet facilities. As such patients are effectively ITU patients they require 1 to 1 nursing care, but other ITUs were busy and it takes quite a while for a ward nurse to convert to an ITU nurse, therefore there was a shortage of suitably qualified nurses to staff the Nightingale hospitals.

225473 ▶▶▶ Paul E, replying to p02099003, #869 of 2928 🔗

Thank you, that was my suspicion, a lack of capacity regarding nurses. Thanks for taking the time to answer me.

225505 ▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to p02099003, 3, #870 of 2928 🔗

Veterinary nurses are so much more capable, functioning as theatre, ward, ICU, triage, lab, radiography and dispensing nurses, anaesthesiologists and phlebotomists, and often covering reception. They have quite a low opinion of human nurses who too often have far too high an opinion of themselves and make twice the salary.

225352 Iansn, replying to Iansn, 2, #871 of 2928 🔗

Looks as if the tide maybe turning

225356 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Iansn, #872 of 2928 🔗

based on what?

225357 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Iansn, 1, #873 of 2928 🔗

Where are you looking, iansn? Please share reasons to be optimistic!

225365 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Iansn, 1, #874 of 2928 🔗

Yes please explain. Need some hope.

225409 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Suzyv, 1, #875 of 2928 🔗

You need ACTION… forget HOPE!

225408 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Iansn, 2, #876 of 2928 🔗

Appreciate your optimism but people have been saying that on here for months. It’s not. The government is committed to at least another year of restrictions, the populace will accept it, the MPs will vote for it, the BBC will continue the fear porn, the scientific arguments against will continue to have no impact. We have to ride it out and hope for small victories here and there.

225571 ▶▶▶ Locked down and out, replying to Achilles, #877 of 2928 🔗

Of which Fergus Walsh is the most egregious example of BBC fear porn and as illustrated on last evening’s doom-laden report from Bergamo (sorry, I mean Liverpool).

225368 Mel, 11, #878 of 2928 🔗

I’ve emailed my MP again. I dont expect her to listen, but its got to be worth a try.

Subject: Before you vote please, please listen to Carl Heneghan

Dear Miriam,

As the people who speak the truth about the data (not the modelling – the actual data) continue to be disregarded as we head down this ruinous path to another lockdown, please I implore you to listen to the balanced and nuanced arguments of Carl Heneghan from the Centre for Evidence Based Medicine at Oxford University. He was speaking yesterday on Talk Radio.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0vL0281s5c

The government’s position would be understandable if the modelling stood any chance of being correct – understandable, although still in my opinion the wrong course of action. However, the modelling is disregarding real world data and is simply wrong.

If you take us into lockdown on this deeply flawed basis, your government will never be forgiven. Please join Graham Brady, Desmond Swayne, John Redwood, Charles Walker, Iain Duncan Smith, Esther McVey, and others in your party who can see the massive and irreparable harm this second lockdown will do, for little to no actual benefit.

Regards

225372 Klein, replying to Klein, 9, #879 of 2928 🔗

This comment under the latest article by Deacon in the Telegraph about Johnson is so brutal it warmed my heart:

“His days in office are numbered. He has more humiliation to undergo. Brexit will turn out to be a still-born runt. He will be its midwife. Then the Tories will throw him (and Cummings) away.
He now has a debit of political capital.”

225387 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Klein, 8, #880 of 2928 🔗

It is a minuscule consolation, but I have enjoyed the complete immolation of Johnson’s political career and reputation.

That being said, to transform one of the oldest democracies into an authoritarian state in just 18 months, under the guise of initially taking back control and subsequently protecting public health, is a noteworthy achievement.

225373 Brian ‘Monty’ Cohen, #881 of 2928 🔗

Rolling headline in DT saying r – rate has fallen to 1 raising hope lockdown can be avoided, according to data from Kings College London.

225376 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 2, #882 of 2928 🔗

I my local cinema last night there was only six of us sat downstairs – so you can imagine how separated we were in all that airy space.

There was a young lad sat about twenty yards away from me. He was the only one I could tell whether or not he was wearing a mask. He was. Even in the darkness he didn’t even slip it below his nose. Hw were doing his bit.

225436 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Ned of the Hills, 1, #883 of 2928 🔗

The only time I’ve been challenged on masks so far, was at the cinema.This was for Tenet ironically.
The cinema had the usual seat spacing nonsense, but everyone was sat in line down the centre one behind the other.

225815 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to PoshPanic, #884 of 2928 🔗

Important question? Did you understand Tenet at all?

225448 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Ned of the Hills, 3, #885 of 2928 🔗

The gullible will be our downfall

225379 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 35, #886 of 2928 🔗

Just been for a little bit of shoppage.

Man on the till in the rcord shop made a big fuss about me not wearing the obligatory gimp mask. Actually running after me and miming the act of putting one one. Thought he was also going to do the trapped behind a pane of glass mime and pulling the imaginary rope for a second, needless to say I didn’t give him a tip and told him ‘EXEMPT’…’oh ok’

Also paid by cash, ha, ‘card only’

‘i’ve only got cash’ said I.

Tsk said he, ‘I suppose that will do’.

Too fucking right mate, I probably spent more today than they take in a week.

People’s acquiescence in degrading themselves by wearing the filthy things is astounding.

The sound of laughter, chatter and seeing smiling happy faces is long forgotten. Well done Dolly chops and nicola Mugabe, you have successfully ruined a nation.

225385 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to stefarm, 13, #887 of 2928 🔗

Just enjoyed an unmasked stroll in a near 100% masked environment (a shopping centre). Feels good.

225502 ▶▶▶ petgor, replying to OKUK, 8, #888 of 2928 🔗

Well, yesterday I went into a post office in a fairly downmarket area and there were five of us, all oldies, not wearing a mask. It felt bloody good.

225390 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to stefarm, 5, #889 of 2928 🔗

I would have just left the products I was going to buy on the counter and walked out. I would have asked them how long they think they can last without going bankrupt if other customers started committing similar “crimes”.

225457 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #890 of 2928 🔗

agree. vote with your feet

225543 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #891 of 2928 🔗

I would of done had he refused to take my hard earned cash and would of told him the exact same.

225392 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to stefarm, 6, #892 of 2928 🔗

Thankfully here in N Ireland I have yet to be challenged or scowled at for not wearing a mask. I was just asked in a clinic if I was exempt and I said yes. Sometimes I wear a lanyard but half the time I don’t. I wonder if it’s a regional thing that some places are more strict than others.
I have been given a few dirty looks from other shoppers but pretty much all staff I deal with have been friendly enough.
Took my kids to soft play yesterday and met another Mum and her kids. All adults have to wear masks when unless they are sitting down. Staff did not question me. My Mum friend is 6 months pregnant and was running around after her toddlers with a mask on in a very warm and stuffy soft play centre, half way through she gave up and kept it off. I then noticed a lot of other parents doing the same.

225417 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Janice21, 4, #893 of 2928 🔗

With the omnipresent, terrifying prospect of being harangued by wheezing fat fuck Stephen Nolan, I’m amazed the whole of Ulster is not cowering in fear.

226546 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Richard O, 1, #894 of 2928 🔗

He is putting the NHS at risk.

225458 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Janice21, 3, #895 of 2928 🔗

I have experienced the same in NI. However, I think some are in a double compliance kind of mindset. They wear the masks because they are told to, then they tell themselves the lie that its to get back to normal. They want to berate others for jot wearing them but are waiting for the OK. As soon as the meme that Christmas will be cancelled because of the covidiots takes hold then they’ll be more up for it.

225511 ▶▶▶ petgor, replying to Janice21, 1, #896 of 2928 🔗

I would have thought that it must be hard to produce an effective scowl whilst wearing a mask.

225508 ▶▶ court, replying to stefarm, 3, #897 of 2928 🔗

Now 99%+ at my daughters primary school after their advisement starting Monday. . I’m waiting for someone to ‘mention’ it to me. At least I can kiss my daughter goodbye and when I pick her up I give her the biggest smile unlike the masked NPCs. Even idiots masked pushing their babies facing them, how is that good for them?

225536 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to court, 5, #898 of 2928 🔗

Well done ✌️

It isn’t good for a child or anyone else for that matter.

In my schooldays anybody hanging around the school gates wearing a mask would of been bundled into the boot of a car and run out of town never to be seen again.

225666 ▶▶▶▶ Simon, replying to stefarm, 1, #899 of 2928 🔗

Now there’s an idea. Report a mask zealot for suspiciously hanging around a school. might get some attention

225806 ▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Simon, 3, #900 of 2928 🔗

Funny ain’t it, stranger danger, don’t talk to strangers etc, everyone looks like a stranger nowadays.

225464 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Sarigan, 3, #902 of 2928 🔗

They need to speak louder. Steve Baker looked as if he was onside with Boris after his meeting

225384 Kevin 2, replying to Kevin 2, 4, #903 of 2928 🔗

SAGE forgot to tell Bill Gates that aiming to acquire herd immunity was a dreadfully irresponsible idea and not the way to stop the virus.

“We have a bit more wiggle room with efficacy. I suspect a vaccine that is at least 70 percent effective will be enough to stop the outbreak. A 60 percent effective vaccine is useable, but we might still see some localized outbreaks. Anything under 60 percent is unlikely to create enough herd immunity to stop the virus.”

That’s how he was quoted on the World Economic Forum site…

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/05/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-covid-19-vaccine/

225406 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Kevin 2, 5, #904 of 2928 🔗

We need to understand that the only “herd immunity” that exists is the one that generates Billy G GAVI PROFITS.

Natural Immunity is just a conspiracy theory that has been circulating among the Herd for millennia!

225841 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Kevin 2, 1, #905 of 2928 🔗

Strange because the flu vaccine is only 10% effective in this country. Also, two interesting things. The CV-19 vaccine trials have caused the death of a 28yr Doctor in Brazil, a rare neurological condition for two women living at different ends of the USA and further serious illnesses. The FDA have suspended one of the trials.

Meanwhile, in South Koriea, they have started to use Flu jabs. Since this started 83 people have died. The drugs companies are saying it has nothing to do with the drugs. Well, these people were healthy, alive and well before the Trials or the flu jab.

226076 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Jo Dominich -, #906 of 2928 🔗

Yep… a “pandemic” of snot cases!

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225389 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 9, #907 of 2928 🔗

Would you believe it! The “R rate” is now at 1. The Telegraph (paywall):

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/11/03/r-rate-has-fallen-one-raising-hopes-lockdown-can-avoided/

Some extracts:

The R-rate in England has fallen to 1, King’s College has said, leading to hopes that a national lockdown can be avoided.

New data from the King’s ZOE app, which has been tracking symptoms and test results since the first wave, showed a slight fall in new cases in England.

Professor Tim Spector, who shared the update on Twitter, said: “More good news as the Zoe CSS app survey continues to show a plateauing and slight fall in new cases in England, Wales and Scotland with an R of 1.0.”

. . . . .

Sir Patrick Vallance and Professor Chris Whitty showed future projections for an R-rate of between 1.3 and 1.5, even though they believed the rate was now 1.1 to 1.3, and were aware that the tier system was having an impact.

. . . . .

Prof Spector has already questioned why the government is locking down the country when the disease appears to be ‘running out of steam’ in the worst affected areas.

Likewise, other experts said they could not understand why further restrictions were being imposed just as cases were beginning to fall.

Professor Carl Heneghan, director of the Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine at the University of Oxford, said the R value in Liverpool is ‘well below one at this moment in time’. He said there is a “problem” in Liverpool, but that cases in the city have halved and hospital admissions have “stabilised”.

You couldn’t make it up!

Incidentally, a great name for the prof – ‘Spector’.

225400 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Tenchy, #908 of 2928 🔗

‘R’ means s h i t when the model is being manipulated to generate a desired return value!

225435 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Voz 0db, #909 of 2928 🔗

Agreed. The R rate reflects the way the virus is spreading, it isn’t a causal factor. The figure is essentially unknowable and can only be guessed at – which means everything depends on the modelling.

225426 ▶▶ JudgeMental, replying to Tenchy, 1, #911 of 2928 🔗

Amazing how quickly this argument has collapsed. From the dodgy dossier to real data coming in that shows (in their reasoning) it’s not even needed. Will the MP’s really still go ahead and vote for economic self harm?

225846 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to JudgeMental, #912 of 2928 🔗

Yes the MPs will with the exception of some intelligent back bench MPs who can see the truth.

226588 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Jo Dominich -, #913 of 2928 🔗

Nice to see a veteran labour MP Graham Stringer accusing the scientists of stoking up fear. I remember Stringer in the 1980s from the Manchester days…he was shagging a woman in my house share! He was quite an orthodox hard left man back then but he is much more open minded now and has challenged many of the Left’s current shibboleths.

225395 Voz 0db, 5, #914 of 2928 🔗

Stop Press: A Lockdown Sceptics reader has created a petition calling on the Government to publish the modelling that says deaths will reach 4,000/day. Sign it here .

About the MP’s!

Most of those scoundrels do not need to have that data because clearly no amount of evidence is enough for them to vote against the ORDERS of the SRF & billionaires.

Parties are obeying Their orders and the jesters in parliament will vote also obeying orders from the parties.

What do you guys “think” this is… A DEMOcracy?!?!

(but even though I’m not a british modern slave, I did sign the petition, because having access to that crap will be a good source of FUN!)

225415 Peter Thompson, replying to Peter Thompson, 29, #916 of 2928 🔗

News this morning from the evidence based surgery . One of my patients told me that their large chain for which they work will not , as they were told yesterday , be locked down after all on Thursday. Now this large nationwide chain I can confirm is not a supermarket and sells no ” essential products ” . I feel that there is a big battle going on in Whitehall . I do hope ” Boris ” goes.

225421 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Peter Thompson, 4, #917 of 2928 🔗

Very interesting! Surely if there is going to be any backpedalling after yesterday then he must be packing his bags right now.

225852 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Charlie Blue, #918 of 2928 🔗

If he does, that means the toady Raab will be the interim PM. I’d take Johnson over Raab any day.

226606 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Jo Dominich -, #919 of 2928 🔗

Is that really the only choice!

225425 ▶▶ Ricky R, replying to Peter Thompson, 7, #920 of 2928 🔗

Good news. Shutting non-essential business is idiotic anyway even if you think Covid is Spanish Flu level dangerous. How close do you come in contact with strangers in IKEA? Aren’t all the one way systems, masks, plexiglass etc meant to make these places safe? Can’t believe people aren’t seeing how idiotic closing shops is given that the risk of catching covid is minimal in this setting and closing them is gonna wreak havoc on people’s jobs and public spending.

225465 ▶▶▶ petgor, replying to Ricky R, #921 of 2928 🔗

If they insist that lock downs really do work then they will, when they discover their error with this lock down, have to close ALL shops and stop everyone from leaving their homes, for any reason. That will mean imposing a curfew with the police and army patrolling the streets. That seems to be the only logical (to Hancock and his advisers, whose logic has so far, proved than impeccable) conclusion.

But that will never happen, will it?

225547 ▶▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to petgor, -1, #922 of 2928 🔗

The only way a lockdown would work would be if we did it Chinese-style and dragged off to prison anyone who showed symptoms or tested positive, along with all of their contacts.

China was pretty much back to normal in 2 months.

225624 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to GCarty80, 2, #923 of 2928 🔗

But not because of lockdown. It’s normal because the government of China decided to stop being silly.

226801 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to petgor, #924 of 2928 🔗

No logic. Just following orders.

225443 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Peter Thompson, 2, #926 of 2928 🔗

And here from evidence based coffee supply, I would say that the government have lost the dressing room!

225494 ▶▶ Will, replying to Peter Thompson, 7, #927 of 2928 🔗

This article in the Telegraph hints at just such a battle:

Covid R-rate ‘has fallen to one’, raising hopes that lockdown could be avoided

The R-rate in England has fallen to 1, King’s College has said, leading to hopes that a national lockdown can be avoided.
New data from the King’s ZOE app, which has been tracking symptoms and test results since the first wave, showed a slight fall in new cases in England.
Professor Tim Spector, who shared the update on Twitter, said: “More good news as the Zoe CSS app survey continues to show a plateauing and slight fall in new cases in England, Wales and Scotland with an R of 1.0.”
The new results are more evidence that the tier system is working and will put greater pressure on Boris Johnson to pause the national lockdown on Thursday.
Government scientists have already been criticised for showing out-of-date and alarmist graphs at a press conference on Saturday where national measures were announced.
Sir Patrick Vallance and Professor Chris Whitty showed future projections for an R-rate of between 1.3 and 1.5, even though they believed the rate was now 1.1 to 1.3, and were aware that the tier system was having an impact.
The King’s data suggests the r-rate may now be at 1, which would mean the pandemic is no longer increasing in some of the worst areas.

According to the King’s app, cases in northern England and the Midlands stopped increasing four days ago, although there is still some rise in the south, from a lower base. Cases in Liverpool have shown large declines since the city was placed into Tier 3.
Prof Spector has already questioned why the government is locking down the country when the disease appears to be ‘running out of steam’ in the worst affected areas.
Likewise, other experts said they could not understand why further restrictions were being imposed just as cases were beginning to fall.
Professor Carl Heneghan, director of the Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine at the University of Oxford, said the R value in Liverpool is ‘well below one at this moment in time’. He said there is a “problem” in Liverpool, but that cases in the city have halved and hospital admissions have “stabilised”.
“You’ve got … these pockets around the country where trusts, like Liverpool, have got into trouble with over half the patients being Covid patients,” he told BBC Radio 4’s Today Programme.
“But let’s look at the data, the data in Liverpool is showing cases have come down by about half, admissions have now stabilised, so, yes, there is a problem in Liverpool.
“But, actually, the tier restrictions… the people in Liverpool have dropped cases from about 490 a day down to 260 a day – a significant drop.
“The R value is well below one in Liverpool at this moment in time.”

Latest data from the most recent Public Health England (PHE) Weekly national Influenza and COVID19 surveillance report shows that the vast majority of outbreaks are happening in schools, workplaces and care homes and that the hospitality industry is a very low risk.
Out of 1,391 acute respiratory infection incidents reported in week 43, just 31 were linked to food outlet and restaurant settings – of which 23 were Covid.
In contrast, there were 397 incidents in care homes, 71 in hospitals, 311 in educational settings and 334 in workplaces, with a total of 803 Covid cases between them.
The figures suggest that closing shops, pubs and restaurants would do little to halt the spread

225418 kf99, 8, #928 of 2928 🔗

On the Corbyn Sheffield charges dropped story (in the links) what now? Does he get compensation? Is anyone held to account for marching him off and depriving him of his liberty?

225427 chris, 3, #929 of 2928 🔗

Boris is the “Patsy”

225431 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 2, #930 of 2928 🔗

Is the NHS issue largely due to the number of staff self isolating or off sick?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/El5D5iYXYAEXCSI?format=jpg&name=large

225445 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Sarigan, 2, #931 of 2928 🔗

I look at that and think, “How many of those Covid patients are NHS staff?” If so many are off due to covid surely they would be piling up in the wards too.

My head hurts today. Grim news everywhere

225459 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Sarigan, 6, #932 of 2928 🔗

No it’s neither. It’s gross incompetence on the part of NHS management. £145bn a year is spent on the NHS, it has plenty of money, yet it delivers very little. We have the lowest number of acute beds in the developed world by a long way. So, what you have is a top heavy organisation in which there are now practically more managers (useless eaters) than beds.

As a nation we have all been duped into thinking it is underfunded it is not. The reality is that it is a self-protective, inward looking organisation that is seriously failing the public with a budget that’s out of control, all the time. Nobody asked how the NHS had got into £13bn worth of debt that Hancock wrote off.

Whatever people think of the Blair Government, they poured hundreds of millions into the NHS (The Modernisation Agenda) designed to introduce more modern treatment in line with Europe and other countries, designed to purchase modern, successful equipment and medical interventions etc. Where did all that money go? It actually went massive pay rises for GPs, Consultants, Surgeons, Professions Allied to Medicine substantive regrading when they are technicians first and foremost, the addition of tiers and tiers and tiers of Managers and other self-indulgent issues. That same government also added an extra £300m so that treatments and outcomes for pancreatic and stomach cancer could be brought into line with Europe and other countries around the world (we have the worst diagnostic, treatment and patient outcomes in the developed world), Five years later, a senior executive in the NHS was interviewed by Radio 4. Not one extra patient had been treated or diagnosed in those years with all this money behind it. The NHS guy couldn’t give an answer as to where the money had gone then. I could go on with millions of examples of chronic empire building and money wasting in the NHS but I’ll have to leave it here.

225438 chris, 7, #933 of 2928 🔗

The Bar Council has just confirmed Gov statement that all Courts will remain open. Just wondering if Gov is trying to keep lawyers on its side rather than the people’s

225439 HelenaHancart, replying to HelenaHancart, 19, #934 of 2928 🔗

How to get people to take off their naps? Tell them they stink! It’s true! Lately when some maskies move into MY space in shops, I get the unmistakable whiff of halitosis/rotting tooth. I walked past a group, fully napped up in the shopping centre recently, and the same odour surrounded them. A till worker also had a smelly nap. So what does that say? These things are literally petrie dishes of bacteria, damp, warm, and picking all sorts of crap from the surrounding air. Not to mention the usual detritus our bodies eliminate through breathing. Bacteria from mouth goes nowhere too. And cases of Bacterial Pneumonia have risen since mask wearing. And people touch them all the time, taking them off and on, shoving them into pockets and bags…and then put them over their noses and mouths – the direct route to infection!

225449 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to HelenaHancart, 12, #935 of 2928 🔗

American dentists are calling this condition “mask mouth”, which has gone through the roof since the mask mandates in the States.

With the exception of children who are being for forced to wear them by their idiotic parents or teachers, anyone wearing a mask deserves all the suffering and illness (both physical and psychological) that is coming their way.

225479 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Richard O, 7, #936 of 2928 🔗

I imagine British dentists will encounter it too, if and when they actually open their surgery doors.

225655 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, #937 of 2928 🔗

I was due an annual check up on the 5th November usually I receive a phone message from them reminding me, nothing so far.

226318 ▶▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Bella Donna, #938 of 2928 🔗

Exactly the same experience. Six monthly checks due in April and October, both missed and nary a word from the dentist.

225487 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to HelenaHancart, 2, #939 of 2928 🔗

Sometimes the sight of them actually makes me heave.

225507 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to HelenaHancart, 1, #940 of 2928 🔗

Good shout, a man slithered past me today, hmm, he pongs I thought, or is it me, nah definitely him as the odour didn’t follow me and thankfully he didn’t.

225441 Alexei, 18, #941 of 2928 🔗

To paraphrase a great woman, if you need to contort the English language with phrases like “Convergent Opportunism”, check your premises.

The only thing exponential about this “pandemic” is the probabilistic calculation required to account for the synchronicity and uniformity of the political response.

The one thing our betters didn’t account for, was the indefatigable Donald J. Trump. How he’s still standing and holding his own here, I have no idea. It is no exaggeration in my view to say that the future of the Western world rests on his shoulders today.

225442 Jay Berger, replying to Jay Berger, 13, #942 of 2928 🔗

Fauci concedes most COVID-19 positive tests are false – LewRockwell
https://www.lewrockwell.com/political-theatre/fauci-concedes-most-covid-19-positive-tests-are-false/
Fauci confirms that PCR tests using more than 35 cycles are only giving WRONG, aka FALSE POSITIVE, results!
In Germany, the most often used Drosten test uses 45! cycles!!!
So, it’s a premeditated casedemic, nothing more.
And it could and should be stopped immediately by simply standardizing the PCR tests as such NOW- instead of waiting to do just that until the otherwise useless vaccines hit the shelves.

225451 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Jay Berger, 10, #943 of 2928 🔗

In any reasonable universe, this admission, plus the FOI saying the UK Ct is >40 would bring an immediate end to the shit-show. Full stop. No debate. Done.

I’m not holding my breath.

225493 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #944 of 2928 🔗

Just need the daily mail to put it on the front page

225452 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Jay Berger, 1, #945 of 2928 🔗

Great post

225470 ▶▶ merlin, replying to Jay Berger, 7, #946 of 2928 🔗

How can they keep the scam going now . The middle classes are in revolt with tennis/gyms and holidays all scrapped. Just a trump win required now.

225525 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Jay Berger, 2, #947 of 2928 🔗

Jay, they don’t publish the cycles on people’s test. Not even for the GPs. My brother tried to get his and his GP told him that she couldn’t even get it.

225645 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to mhcp, 1, #948 of 2928 🔗

There you have it, its open to a fraud!

225456 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 6, #949 of 2928 🔗

Remember, remember, the 5th of November

Lockdown, treason and plot

Interesting that Boris chose that day in particular…

225578 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 2, #950 of 2928 🔗

Yes it is, just like he chose Easter Sunday to rise from his supposed death bed!

226919 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #951 of 2928 🔗

Yes. Taking the p*ss.

225460 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 6, #952 of 2928 🔗

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.11.01.20222315v1.full.pdf

Association between living with children and outcomes from COVID-19: an OpenSAFELY cohort study of 12 million adults in England

“Among 9,157,814 adults ≤65 years, living with children 0-11 years was not associated with increased risks of recorded SARS-CoV-2 infection, COVID-19 related hospital or ICU admission but was associated with reduced risk of COVID-19 death (HR 0.75, 95%CI 0.62-0.92).”

 Close contact with children may provide cross-reactive immunity to SARs-CoV-2 due to more frequent prior coryzal infections from seasonal coronaviruses???

225521 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, #953 of 2928 🔗
225463 TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 11, #954 of 2928 🔗

Kathy Gyngell gives Michael Gove both barrels:

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/my-letter-to-michael-gove/

I can feel the heat of her ire from here.

225558 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 2, #955 of 2928 🔗

Both barrels followed by a
machine-gunning and rounded off by a North Korean style shredding by anti-aircraft guns.

225576 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 1, #956 of 2928 🔗

It’s a brilliant letter. As she knows him, I trust he will read it.

225908 ▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to Bella Donna, #957 of 2928 🔗

It isn’t brilliant; it makes far too many concessions to the demonstrably false official Covid-19 propaganda.

225702 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, #958 of 2928 🔗

Don’t know her work, but well done her.

226033 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Leemc23, 1, #959 of 2928 🔗

Conservative Woman has been brilliant all along. Well worth keeping an eye on.

I think I’m right in saying Will Jones was on there dissecting the pandemic right from the outset. He was certainly writing for them before then.
And they saw the care homes catastrophe coming too, well in advance, but of course nobody was listening.

225889 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, #960 of 2928 🔗

Wow. It says everything clearly, succinctly and boldly.

225477 Richard O, replying to Richard O, 16, #961 of 2928 🔗

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/505089-lockdowns-masks-children-develop/

Even the World Economic Forum, which has been one of the loudest champions of lockdowns, social distancing, mask mandates, and other responses heavy on fear and light on evidence, has acknowledged the pandemic constitutes the “world’s biggest psychological experiment,” warning that prolonged isolation will lead to an explosion in “trauma-related mental health disorder.” Yet, rather than call for a stop to what amounts to institutionalized child abuse, they have merely suggested countries prepare for the coming demand for mental health services, sure to be a bonanza for Big Pharma as children who take psychiatric drugs tend to end up on them for life .

If anyone says “it’s just a mask” to me they will be risking serious injury. They have perhaps been the single most important element in the transformation of our society into a dystopian hell.

225480 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Richard O, 6, #962 of 2928 🔗

I agree. The sanitising stations, perspex dividers, etc can stay but I dream of a day when I dont see anyone being masked up.

225490 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Janice21, 10, #963 of 2928 🔗

Chemical hand sanitisers are highly toxic at the OCD levels of usage that are now normal. Perspex screens are another psychological tool to separate us.

Everything that has been implemented in 2020, surely a contender for one of the darkest years in human history, needs to be completely abolished.

225513 ▶▶▶▶ Janice21, replying to Richard O, 5, #964 of 2928 🔗

Yes I hate the dividers and the glug that you’re supposed to cover your hands in. But if I could choose one thing to go forever, it would be the masks.

225550 ▶▶▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Janice21, 9, #965 of 2928 🔗

Unfortunately it’s the masks that are actually the key to the control. They’re a visible sign of compliance, they help identify “non-believers” allowing the public to police and shame others, they separate us from each other by limiting verbal and physical communication, they perpetuate the fear that something is out they’re killing you and most importantly they dehumanise us, taking away our individuality and self-worth, making us less resistant. The mask is the tool and the symbol of lockdown and it’s the last thing the government will want to give up.

225504 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Richard O, 2, #966 of 2928 🔗

I am glad you provided the source as I honestly struggled to believe that any ‘credible’ organisation would publish that statement. I have read that in absolute horror.

225478 Hieronimusb, 21, #968 of 2928 🔗

This is incredible but it works:

Pick a number, any number, between 0.02 and 0.05
Multiply by 5,000
Add 20 million
Divide by the number you first thought of
Subtract the square root of fuck all
Stand on your left leg for 2 minutes
Stand on your head for 5 minutes

You have the total number of imminent fatalities in UK. Remember, if you get a final number less than 100,000,000 you need to start again. It’s great fun… honest, they play it in SAGE and Imperial College every day.

225481 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 8, #969 of 2928 🔗

Trying to remember what Bozo did to piss off the people in Liverpool, remember where he dashed up and made an appearance?
So why are they singling them out again? I hope they are pissed off again and will not get tested!

225497 ▶▶ Neil Hartley, replying to Silke David, 2, #970 of 2928 🔗

It was Hillsborough – he said they had a chip on their shoulders.

225509 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Silke David, 4, #971 of 2928 🔗

He said they were “addicted to grief” around the time that a Liverpudlian charity worker was taken hostage and eventually beheaded by Al Qaeda in Iraq.

225586 ▶▶ steph, replying to Silke David, 2, #972 of 2928 🔗

I suspect he is widely hated in Liverpool for his comments on Hillsborough. If only the police hadn’t kept up a lie for decades then the good people of Liverpool wouldn’t have needed to feel quite so badly done by. It would have been a terrible tragedy with lessons learned (properly not in inverted commas) and people could have grieved and had some closure but instead the establishment caused a festering wound.

225482 Tim, replying to Tim, 16, #973 of 2928 🔗

I have long suspected that the government was holding back on something that they didn’t want us to know. But now we know what it is. The real population of the UK is approaching 200 million. That must be the figure that they have plugged into their model to get 4K deaths per day.

225501 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Tim, 5, #974 of 2928 🔗

So *that’s* what’s causing global warming. And all those queues at supermarkets a bit back…

225484 Mabel Cow, replying to Mabel Cow, 22, #975 of 2928 🔗

Does the presence of lockdown scepticism in a person have a strong age bias?

My experience suggests that the younger you are, the more likely you are to swallow whatever you are told.

There are of course exceptions, in both directions. I know quite a few oldies who are fully bought-in, and I’ve come across one or two youngsters who reject it. But in general, the younger generation seems to be both spectacularly gullible and almost entirely belief-based.

A sceptical friend of mine suggested that it might be caused by the “Like” button, with youngsters so desperate for the approval of their peers that they will go along with whatever is currently fashionable. They’ll do anything to be “liked” and avoid anything that might invite censure.

My view is that the problem has been caused by a fundamentally broken education system that rewards blind parroting of other people’s opinions (teacher, exam board, government) and actively discourages questioning or free thinking.

I hypothesise that the education system has become progressively more broken over the past 40 years, and so the younger you are, the more likely you are to have had your brain permanently damaged by your “education”. As the first cohort to take GCSEs, I can attest to the astonishing dumbing-down that occurred in the transition from O-Levels to GCSEs.

Thoughts?

225489 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Mabel Cow, 10, #976 of 2928 🔗

Agree. Plus there’s an age division at about 53, which is when electronic calculators became the norm in school.
It means that group reach for a device when puzzled by something, older people reach first for their brains… generalisation of course.

225514 ▶▶▶ Scouse Sceptic, replying to Rosie, 3, #977 of 2928 🔗

I left school in 2000, we VERY VERY rarely used calculators other than for SIN, COS, etc.

That’s off topic really but I’m sceptical of anything and everything and I’m 36. My Mrs who is 43 is nowhere near as sceptical although has battled mental health issues for many years so perhaps already far more susceptible to government brain-washing and fearmongering.

I’m noticing a growing trend (amongst family at least) who are 60+ and becoming increasingly sceptical although still mostly compliant.

225522 ▶▶▶ David Farrer, replying to Rosie, 5, #978 of 2928 🔗

Quite right. For a couple of months many years ago I had an evening job in a London pub. A central bar but with a public, a private, a saloon and a lounge all leading off it. Four separate price lists, all in pounds shillings and pence. You had to do it all in your head plus a separate till for food and one for cigarettes. No problem for anyone who worked there including the tough young Irish farm lass who kept the public bar under strict control when required…

225582 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Rosie, 3, #979 of 2928 🔗

The younger persons brain is called google.

225759 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Rosie, 2, #980 of 2928 🔗

Agree, though obviously it is something of a generalisation. I’m a former teacher and it used to frustrate me preparing kids for A levels that were easier than the ones I took, knowing they would get better grades.

I then did private tuition for a number of years, where it shocked me to get blank looks whenever I asked a pupil what they thought about something. 90% of them expected to be spoonfed ‘correct’ answers that they could then parrot in exams. It seemed they thought that there is always just one ‘correct’ opinion to hold.

They even expected me to draft their answers for oral exams (ie for me to do the ‘too difficult’ grammatical part) so that they could just learn the answers by heart. You could only ever ask the questions using the exact phrasing that they had memorised, otherwise they were totally flummoxed..

225769 ▶▶▶ jrsm, replying to Rosie, 1, #981 of 2928 🔗

I once saw someone use a calculator to compute several multiplications with zero, not understanding that the result would always be zero.

225499 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Mabel Cow, #982 of 2928 🔗

I wondered this too, although I have a few cousins of high school and university age who have carried on seeing friends and going to secret parties because they just don’t give a sh*t about it all. And rightly so.
I have a few sceptical neighbours and colleagues, all aged over 50. Majority of my friends sceptical as well, mostly mid to late 30s.

225512 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Mabel Cow, 8, #983 of 2928 🔗

There seems to be a trend to make judgements based on emotion rather than logic, and to espouse or reject positions on issues based on who else holds them – so if Trump says HCQ is good, then you think it is bad, because Trump is a Bad Person, and equally if Trump says masks are bad then they are good and anyone who opposes masks is therefore a Trump ally and obviously bad.

225517 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Mabel Cow, 5, #984 of 2928 🔗

That’s how it was in the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany.

Also, look at China’s Cultural Revolution.

225529 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to calchas, 8, #985 of 2928 🔗

““Nearly all children nowadays were horrible. What was worst of all was that by means of such organizations as the Spies they were systematically turned into ungovernable little savages, and yet this produced in them no tendency whatever to rebel against the discipline of the Party. On the contrary, they adored the Party and everything connected with it… All their ferocity was turned outwards, against the enemies of the State, against foreigners, traitors, saboteurs, thought-criminals. It was almost normal for people over thirty to be frightened of their own children.”
Orwell . Nineteen Eighty-Four

225530 ▶▶ VickyA, replying to Mabel Cow, 4, #986 of 2928 🔗

Yes I agree though I have tried through books and comments to enlighten my young relatives to look wider. Science Fiction (I used the term fiction loosely) is a good place to start as they see parallels with now.
I keep thinking of Fahrenheit 451…books banned (censorship) and when people die they are just spirited away and no more is said. Felt like that for my Dad’s funeral earlier this year with few people able to attend and no wake (or any prospect of one soon).

225539 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Mabel Cow, 9, #987 of 2928 🔗

Agree. I think anyone who grew up with social media, is much more susceptible. I was 18 before I even had an email address. Twenty before I owned a mobile phone, which was only used for text messaging and emergencies. Sounds over the top, but I truly believe that social media has been the undoing of the human race.

225584 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #988 of 2928 🔗

“Social media” is the poster child for Newspeak. Anti-social media would do a far better job of communicating the value proposition.

It’s no surprise that platforms created by bullied, friendless nerds with god complexes would be so corrosive to the fabric of society.

I’m a coder; I know how these people think. Everything is boiled down to its simplest form, all nuance (and hence most of the value) is lost. Anything that can be done will be done, irrespective of the consequences. Every scrap of data that can be collected will be collected, but no regard will be given to meaning, accuracy, or the potential for misuse.

These people are a menace to society. And I number myself amongst them, which is why I am interested in whether you guys think Panscepticon is an overreach. I am unable to trust my own judgement on the matter.

225862 ▶▶▶ Mrs issedoff, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #989 of 2928 🔗

Don’t get me started on social media, the scourge of humanity. I have been saying the same for years now, as I have seen the ability of some of the younger folk to participate in face to face conversation become less and less. I do realise the irony of what I am saying as I sit here typing a comment on this site, the difference being that I am not a slave to my phone or technology. I have never used faceache, instagram or twatter, they just seem to spew out inane content and be full of narcissists( apologies to the ‘normal’ people who use it!)

225554 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Mabel Cow, 6, #990 of 2928 🔗

There has been an ongoing dumbing down of education. GCSEs are not as stringent as the old O Levels, and there has been constant grade inflation from GCSEs all the way through to undergraduate study. Both me and Mr TT have taught at all levels of university study, and standards at Russell Group universities are not what they used to be. It’s prizes for all. The younger generation have been let down so badly at every turn.

More younger people are sceptical than might appear from surveys, judged by their actions rather than what they say on social media feeds. I recall reading that around half of them broke the transition phase restrictions on mixing after the first lockdown. My sons are sceptics, and have been from the outset. More of their friends have gradually come to their point of view over time. I would say, however, that the girls are generally less likely to be sceptical. In my view, this is underpinned by the green agenda, climate change, anti-Brexit stance that was rammed down their throats at school. The boys tended to push back. As the teachers are overwhelmingly female, and are ‘passive aggressive’, this has a worrying impact on young girls.

225574 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #991 of 2928 🔗

Schools are a cultural battleground these days. The establishment knows that the only chance of controlling a mature population is by indoctrinating them when they’re young. Children, as you well know, i’m sure, are information sponges. Even if at an older age they change their opinions, what they were taught in school will never leave them and will influence them in one way or another. This is the reason why so many teachers are ideological extremists for the far left, as minister Kemi Badenoch has rightfully pointed out.

In order to save our future we must save our children first. And that battle starts by winning back the education system.

225614 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 1, #992 of 2928 🔗

Agree. There is limited intellectual rigour and curiosity in the education system generally. Our kids don’t stand much of a chance until that is rectified.

I remember my old teachers with fondness and massive respect. I was at a girls grammar that became a comprehensive in the 1970s just after I joined. All female teachers but with degrees from prestigious universities. All doing the job as professional women who, unless they were doctors, had few professional opportunities. I have rarely met as impressive a set of teachers, or at an individual level, since – and my boys attended what are supposed to be leading academic private schools.

225555 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Mabel Cow, 6, #993 of 2928 🔗

It is weird, because young people have always rebelled against the state. I think the change is due to social media. The channels we used to communicate when we were young were not regulated. We were free to say whatever we wanted to eachother. But now young people are plugged into social media, and social media is only showing them one side of the argument. They are never exposed to critical thought, so they never develop critical thinking.
And that’s why kids these days would believe anything as long as its mainstream.

225868 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 1, #994 of 2928 🔗

young people have always rebelled against the state.”

An illusion. Some have.

225562 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Mabel Cow, 7, #995 of 2928 🔗

Controversial I know, but anyone under the age of 30 has received a much larger number of vaccinations than any preceding generation. I cannot help but think that this has had a cumulative impact on their cognitive abilities.

Combine that with a massive dumbing down of the education system, and the advent of “smart” technology which does all your thinking for you, and you have a recipe for a generation of brain dead automatons. In other words, the perfect slave class.

225658 ▶▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to Richard O, 1, #996 of 2928 🔗

I was thinking that too.

225673 ▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Richard O, #997 of 2928 🔗

anyone under the age of 30 has received a much larger number of vaccinations”

 Have they though? I’m not sure about that and I can’t really be bothered to look it up but two vaccinations that come to mind that are no longer routinely given are the Smallpox (for obvious reasons) and BCG vaccinations.

225747 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Richard O, #998 of 2928 🔗

anyone under the age of 30 has received a much larger number of vaccinations than any preceding generation

Correct

226338 ▶▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Richard O, 1, #999 of 2928 🔗

I have absolutely no doubt that this is happening. So many combined vaccines delivered to an immature immune system are terrible. I say this as an ex nurse who had her own health ruined by a BCG jab I was forced to have at work. I am surprised that anyone has routine vaccinations. You wouldn’t drink a glass of unknown liquid handed to you but you will accept some unknown chemicals injected into your bloodstream ‘for your own good. I have no doubt that future vaccines will be ‘targeted’ at specific groups of people and will contain specific ingredients. Gates has done it in 3rd world country with contraceptives added. Both Vallance and Whitty are Gates stooges.

225580 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #1000 of 2928 🔗

Exactly the same in Germany. Watch the footage of the demos and they are mostly late 40s and above.
You see some younger ones, but particularly the 20sth are happy to go along.

225848 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Silke David, 1, #1001 of 2928 🔗

Don’t get into this generational stuff : it’s another ‘divide and rule’ syndrome.

As one of the Hippy generation, we never had to face a situation like this, and it was a minority that were, for instance, at the Grosvener Square demonstration when – as happened a few weeks ago – the mask of the friendly copper dropped. Political and social awareness was actually something that grew steadily through experience.

225593 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #1002 of 2928 🔗

It’s true us youngsters are the worst generation for scepticism, not only because of poor education but also social media. That said, I’ve heard far more semi-sceptical or at least disapproving sentiments from fellow students than the older drones at my former employer, most of which disappeared into the government matrix a long time ago.

225937 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to DRW, 2, #1003 of 2928 🔗

Also, what is a huge huge factor that is not being questioned is that these large social media platforms are banning any and I mean any dissenting opinion to the establishment narrative so all these young people are getting unless they are no sites like these and OffGuardian are industrial levels of brainwashing as no other point of view is being put out there. The MSM, thank God, have just started to wage a campaign of dissent about certain aspects of CV-19.

225706 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #1004 of 2928 🔗

I’m 22. Always been naturally contrarian and sceptical. I’m also not a big fan of social media and don’t really understand the appeal. I’ve always striven for authenticity in my life and social media flies in the face of this. Both of these aspects of my personality probably stem from not giving a damn about what others think of me, which probably cannot be said for a majority of my generation.

225754 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Poppy, 3, #1005 of 2928 🔗

I would be interested to know what proportion of the LS community is active on other social media platforms.

Personally, joining the LS community is the first time I’ve ever posted online, and even doing that was quite a struggle against my inbuilt revulsion to any form of social media.

And as it turns out, I’m far from immune to the siren song of the social platform, despite my initial reticence. I find myself obsessively checking the site at all hours of the day and night, and I’m constantly whoring for likes: dopamine, dopamine, DOPAMINE!

I’ll be glad when this shit-show is over (or when I’m dead, whichever comes first) so that I can put the genie back in the bottle and go back to being an offline person.

225836 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #1006 of 2928 🔗

Just this one for me, Mabs. I was attracted by the theme – as surely any half sentient being would be, plus the fact that posters here are reasoning, questioning folk, that seek validation, and who are willing to be corrected. How many times a day do we see “Have you got a link” on here? Most other forums I’ve seen are just full of shite and name calling.
I certainly don’t do ‘social media’, although I do look at some twitty stuff just as a web page, e.g. Simon Dolan.

225956 ▶▶▶▶ VickyA, replying to Mabel Cow, #1007 of 2928 🔗

Only one for me too. Despise vacuous social media as a rule.

225905 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Mabel Cow, 3, #1008 of 2928 🔗

Absolutely agree. School, once a place of learning, challenge, questioning has now become, essentially, a mouthpiece for the establishment discouraging individuality of any kind thought, rebellion, questioning or resistance. Shame. I was a right rebel not only at school but at university too. Loved it.

225486 Arnie, replying to Arnie, 60, #1009 of 2928 🔗

Just had a really humorous pretend argument with my teenager whilst sitting outside the entrance of our local Waitrose. In loud faux angry voices:

Me: ‘Christmas is banned this year, sorry and all that…’

Teen: ‘WHAT? WHY? You can’t ban Christmas! You just can’t!’

Me: ‘There’s a very bad case of delusion going around’

Teen, very loud shrill voice: ‘DELUSION? Why are people suffering from this terrible delusion dad?’

Me: ‘Most people aren’t very brave anymore, my grandparents fought in a terrible war but most people these days are just soft. It’s not their fault.’

Teen: ‘But it’s only a sodding COLD for god’s sake!’

Me: ‘But they are afraid of death, they see it everywhere…’

And so it went on. Really great fun. My kids really get it. The attention we got was great albeit most of the zombies just stood and stared as if they couldn’t believe what they were hearing. Haha. Fuk ’em.

225616 ▶▶ Simon, replying to Arnie, 8, #1010 of 2928 🔗

Absolutely fantastic. Just the thing for the supermarket queue.

225743 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Arnie, 6, #1011 of 2928 🔗

Actually, doing a bit of acting like that in public is a really good way of presenting our case… People often (subtly) stop to listen to people arguing.. Any actors here? Including talented kids? We could put together something and use it in and around supermarkets and the (admittedly few) other places that are open.
Let’s use Priti Patel’s new 2-person limit on protests to our advantage 🙂

225897 ▶▶ Mrs issedoff, replying to Arnie, 7, #1012 of 2928 🔗

That’s great, you have taught your teen well. I haven’t done the pretend row but I say things in a really loud voice. Stuck in an anti social queue in a shop I will say, the world has gone bonkers over a bit of a bloody cold. You can imagine the looks that I get as I stand there barefaced. The strange thing as well, is that I am usually the last person to draw attention to myself as I am by nature very shy, this is where anger and frustration has brought me.

225488 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 11, #1013 of 2928 🔗

Priti Patel is banning protest with more than 2 people, crazy bearing in mind many areas in the country have close to zero cases, she has chosen to go full Melbourne. Surely it can only a matter of time before with troops on the streets this increasingly authoritarian regime has a Bloody Sunday incident.

225495 ▶▶ Scouse Sceptic, replying to Darryl, 7, #1014 of 2928 🔗

We’re getting 2,000 of them here in Liverpool this week!

225506 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Scouse Sceptic, 3, #1015 of 2928 🔗

In pairs

225510 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Scouse Sceptic, 8, #1016 of 2928 🔗

Dear God, I hope your compatriots – always called upon like us Geordies when the elites need lads to defend the realm – do not comply with the mass testing experiment.

225531 ▶▶▶▶ Scouse Sceptic, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 11, #1017 of 2928 🔗

I’d have to be seriously ill to be having any test, covid or otherwise.
I certainly wouldn’t walk/drive myself to a test centre – if I’m healthy enough to get to a test centre I can’t be that bad surely? (that’s my logic anyway), and if they turn up at the door they’ll be told where to stick the test and it won’t be anywhere near me 😀

225556 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Scouse Sceptic, 2, #1018 of 2928 🔗

I cannot understand this mania for testing if you’re well.

225830 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #1019 of 2928 🔗

It’s all part of what Fear does to people – rationality goes out the window.

225515 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Darryl, 6, #1020 of 2928 🔗

How about a protest in Witham? Not far from me. I’ll bring the camera and microphone

225549 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to PoshPanic, 5, #1021 of 2928 🔗

She’s my MP. Gone full on Totalitarian ignoring communications or replying with boiler plate platitudes. Very angry with her. Trouble is my husband & I have already told the local association where to stick their membership, having told her that what she needed to do to regain our trust was to stop the madness and start acting like a Conservative. That was weeks ago so we know we won’t be voting for her again. Hopefully Nige or Lozza might give us a home for our votes.

225560 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to steph, 5, #1022 of 2928 🔗

It’s imperative we ignore all main stream parties in future.

225675 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to steph, #1023 of 2928 🔗

Hope you put that in writing? If they all loose their grass routes support, they’re fucked.

225827 ▶▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to PoshPanic, #1024 of 2928 🔗

Oh yes. More than once.

225825 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to steph, 1, #1025 of 2928 🔗

Patel was always an Ugly piece of work. She and Johnson are an embodiment of how far parliamentary democracy has fallen.

225944 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to PoshPanic, #1026 of 2928 🔗

I’m game! Organise it and I’ll be there.

225551 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Darryl, 5, #1027 of 2928 🔗

The government are itching for a riot or two, they ought to be careful what they wish for!

225941 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Darryl, 1, #1028 of 2928 🔗

Right. Get out onto the streets in large numbers. Demonstrate loudly and stick two fingers up to Patel.

225498 PoshPanic, 1, #1029 of 2928 🔗
225500 Jamie, replying to Jamie, 5, #1030 of 2928 🔗

Vote on lockdown tomorrow, I hope everyone is planning to write to their MP?!

225561 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Jamie, 1, #1031 of 2928 🔗

A template would be useful.

225573 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #1032 of 2928 🔗

I think keep it short and to the point.
A local campaign to get lots of individuals flood their inbox with just “I do not consent a lockdown!” in the subject line would be nice.

225809 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Silke David, 1, #1033 of 2928 🔗

Yes. I decided to simply focus on a couple of facts : that killer graph from the CEBM that shows that even in terms of ‘cases’, the Chuckle Brothers have consistency only in their wrongness – particularly about ‘exponential growth’.

The other one was to repeat the facts about mortality in the quarter-century of events.

No – I don’t think it will make a difference, to be frank. But I’ve done something to counter the blithe ignorance of MPs.

225671 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Jamie, 1, #1034 of 2928 🔗

Done. I think it’s gone to around 50 MP’s.

225717 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Jamie, 2, #1035 of 2928 🔗

Done. Had a reply already, personally written and far less groupthink than her previous emails.

225503 calchas, replying to calchas, 14, #1036 of 2928 🔗

So,

if ‘cases’ or ‘infections’ are fabricated, because according to PCR inventor Kary Mullis you can use a PCR to find “almost anything in anybody”,

….and..

if ‘covid deaths’ are fabricated , because all you need to do is ‘test positive’ (see above), within 28 days beore death, and you are automatically a ‘covid death”

then…

We have a fabricated pandemic.

225523 ▶▶ 2 pence, replying to calchas, 5, #1037 of 2928 🔗

In a nutshell, yes.

225559 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to calchas, #1038 of 2928 🔗

From the Northern Ireland data which is the same elsewhere:

“..deaths relating to COVID-19 (that is, where COVID-19 or suspected COVID-19 was mentioned anywhere on the death certificate, including in combination with other health conditions)”

And they weren’t testing the same amount for flu at the peak due to resources

225665 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to calchas, #1039 of 2928 🔗

We have a pandemic. One that spreads quick but is of no significant harm to most of the global population. That’s a better way of saying it. Unfortunately if we use words like fabricated then it becomes easy to switch us into Covid deniers, which we are not.

225816 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Leemc23, #1040 of 2928 🔗

Remember – the term ‘pandemic’ was redefined to exclude any consideration of severity. A plague of nits could be ‘pandemic’ now.

The interesting fact is that it has not reached ‘epidemic’ proportions in the community, as officially defined.

225518 Darryl, 12, #1041 of 2928 🔗

Just seen this. Hopefully, lots of groups of 2 will choose to go for a seaside walk this weekend – much healthier than being stuck in a confined indoor space where viruses are more likely to spread and people get depressed and suicidal.

Saturday 07 November, 12pm, Angel of Peace Statue, Brighton Seafront

March for Freedom

It takes courage to defy the dictates of tyrants in defence of freedom.

225528 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 9, #1042 of 2928 🔗

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1323528843454484481

Anyone seen this?

Last night I was sent official NHS docs from a whistleblower. Here you will see one page from the report which shows as of 1 Nov, deaths down in every region bar the NW,and no evidence of any kind of overload on the NHS

225546 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1043 of 2928 🔗

Thanks but it’s nothing most of us on here wasn’t aware of. The government are screwing with us every which way. We need MSM on our side to get anywhere and most seem in the governments pockets, as is the judiciary. We’ve a mountain to climb!

225548 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #1044 of 2928 🔗

No, but the point is it’s been put out into the public realm by a whistleblower, which has to be a good thing?

225569 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1045 of 2928 🔗

We need to hear whistles blowing all over the country!!

225714 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Bella Donna, #1046 of 2928 🔗

I posted that on my MPs twitter feed. I think anything visual will get their attention. I’m going for simple and pretty graphs or heartrending lockdown stories . I’ve given up on cold hard facts.

225553 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to A. Contrarian, 5, #1047 of 2928 🔗

Yes, I saw this earlier. I just don’t know what could change that would make is possible for the outrageous lying to be stopped. We have had so much evidence of this nature over time but it proves to be irrelevant. The Government and the great majority of parliament have moved completely into a post-truth existence and are completely beyond reach. The MSM care about nothing but viewing figures and advertising sales.

I am hoping to catch some of the S&T committee this afternoon, but I have no hope that Greg Clarke will hold the two liars in chief to account and even less that the rest of the committee could dream up a relevant question between them. I remember watching Prof Carl at the comittee and thinking ‘yes, this is dynamite. Surely this will make an impact’. How naive I was.

225534 Bella Donna, 7, #1048 of 2928 🔗

It’s criminal what the government and their advisors are getting away with. I hope the parliamentary committee refuses to take any more of their lies as fact!

225579 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to wendyk, 2, #1050 of 2928 🔗

Thanks for the update on Simon’s case. Very informative

225538 kenadams, replying to kenadams, 14, #1051 of 2928 🔗

I’ve just sent the following to the 1922 committee. Any thoughts on changes I could make? I plan on submitting a tweaked version to the rest of the Conservative party this evening.

“This week you will be called upon to authorise a second lockdown across England. I am not a constituent but I am writing to you specifically because I believe that it is only backbench Conservative MPs who might be able to bring the Government to account. As a now former member of the Conservative and Unionist Party, I urge you reject this proposal on the grounds that lockdowns are ruinous to lives, livelihoods and liberty. If the lockdown approach to combating COVID-19 is abandoned, then I may consider re-joining the party:

  • Lives are lost when other medical services are suspended – there are truly disturbing reports now regarding the thousands of people who are likely to die and/or live in agony and pain as a result of the NHS not treating people properly if they do not have COVID-19. The data on cancer and heart diseases is already well known. Most recent was the realisation that stillbirths have also risen substantially. I urge you to read the comments underneath this article to gain an appreciation of the true state of the service that the NHS is currently providing to non-COVID-19 patients – https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8905643/Stillbirths-DOUBLED-wave-Covid-19-pandemic.html ;
  • Lives are ruined by depression and domestic violence which accompany lockdowns;
  • Livelihoods are destroyed and countless families impoverished with future generations left to bear the costs of this ruinous policy – the Conservative government is currently implementing a policy that is directly leading to the total destruction of SME and small businesses, and massively increasing the reliance on state handouts. It beggars belief; and
  • Liberty is suspended as the government rules by decree, Parliament is side-lined and its constitutional role seriously diminished.

Lockdown
Lockdown is not only a cruel and blunt instrument for dealing with COVID-19, it is singularly ineffective. That’s why we are facing a second lockdown so soon after the first (although I would argue we have never actually left lockdown at all). We’re told that hospitals are about to be overwhelmed. But how much confidence should we have in epidemiological models from ICL when their forecasting record to date has been so poor? I hope I need not remind you of their dramatically overstated predictions for deaths from swine flu in 2009 of 4 million globally. The final actual total was 18 thousand. In 2005 ICL also predicted 200 million people could die from bird flu. The final actual total was 282. Not 282 thousand. 282. ICL’s prediction for the 1st wave of COVID-19 was 500,000 deaths in the UK. This was eventually c.40,000, around 12x lower. This was not primarily due to the lockdown. Even Dr Whitty has admitted, in an unguarded moment, that infections had already peaked before the lockdown was introduced. So the fall in death rates shortly after lockdown was largely a correlation not a causation. The COVID-19 death rates followed the standard Gompertz Curve that all infectious diseases follow.

The ICL report also predicted numbers of deaths for other countries, including Sweden. Sweden’s eventual death toll in the 1st wave was 12x lower than the ICL predictions, despite not locking down. I’d like to quickly dispel a few myths that have arisen around Sweden. It really did not lockdown, and it is a perfectly valid comparator country. Swedish people did take some sensible precautions, but all entertainment and retail and businesses stayed open and no masks were worn throughout the spring and summer. Google has confirmed that the Swedish people moved about far more than in the UK, and not far off as much as in a non-lockdown situation. Sweden is also not a particularly sparsely populated country. Most people in Sweden live in the southern part of the country. A greater proportion of Swedish people live in towns and cities than in the UK. Stockholm is more densely populated than London. Sweden did do relatively badly compared to its immediate Scandinavian neighbours, but this was as a result of a poor care homes policy, where they made the same mistake that the UK did and placed infected people in old people’s homes. This is the primary reason for it’s worse death rates compared to Norway. Not lockdown policy.

Further evidence from around the world reveals no correlation between lockdowns and coronavirus fatalities. In fact, Peru, the country with the highest fatality rate, also had one of the earliest and strictest, military enforced lockdowns. I’d lastly like to highlight that even the WHO now do not advocate lockdowns, as stated by Dr. David Nabarro a few days ago.

contd…

225600 ▶▶ Alan P, replying to kenadams, 1, #1052 of 2928 🔗

Ken, everything you say is 100% accurate. But it’s not the people on here that need to hear this. How can we breakthrough the media misrepresentation and blocking of these facts?

225659 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to kenadams, 2, #1053 of 2928 🔗

Great letter. Don’t be shy to point out that when elections resume Conservative party members will be joining the millions of jobless. And it’s not just MP’s remember. It’s council leaders, councillors, police leaders. Mayors. They are all going to be ripped a new one if they don’t stop.

225735 ▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Leemc23, 1, #1054 of 2928 🔗

I think it is cute that you think there will be elections in the future

225880 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to captainbeefheart, #1055 of 2928 🔗

Until they are cancelled, yes, we will assume there will be elections in the future. You may not have intended it, but your remark comes across as snide and condescending. There are many people in despair visiting this site every day. They do not need your condescension, especially since it can compound their depression. I know, I suffered from major depression years ago.

I hope you have something positive to contribute in future.

226194 ▶▶▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to ConstantBees, #1056 of 2928 🔗

Apologies

225689 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to kenadams, 2, #1057 of 2928 🔗

I should also say – I have no intention of ever joining the conservative party again! I put that in for psychological reasons…maybe they might listen to me more if they think they can win back a voter?

225741 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to kenadams, 1, #1058 of 2928 🔗

Agree

Also never Labour, they failed to oppose and is just as guilty. They also do not give a stuff about workers

225541 kenadams, 6, #1059 of 2928 🔗

Hugely inaccurate and misleading data
It is also important to highlight that one of the key drivers of the current lockdown policy are three interlinked measurements. All of which are vastly over-representing the true scale and threat of COVID-19:

  • ‘Cases’ are based on the PCR test, which when run at 45 cycles like we do in the UK, results in only 7% of the identified ‘cases’ as being actually infectious. There is a huge, huge over-statement of genuinely infectious people as a result of the PCR testing regime. Contrary to some misleading media reports, asymptomatic people do not contribute in any meaningful manner to the spread of COVID-19. This is as confirmed by Dr Maria Van Kerkhove of the WHO, as set set out in this transcript at minute 34:04 https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/transcripts/who-audio-emergencies-coronavirus-press-conference-08jun2020.pdf?sfvrsn=f6fd460a_0 ;
  • ‘Hospitalisations’ are manipulated because everyone who comes into hospital is tested for COVID-19, as I can personally attest because my wife was tested when we went in for a planned c-section, despite having no symptoms. Given the inaccuracy of the test, this is leading to a huge over-representation of the numbers of people in hospital who have infectious levels of COVID-19. And, even infected people are often actually in hospital because of something else, and COVID-19 is not making them ill enough on its own to require hospitalisation. The majority, arguably the vast majority, of ‘hospitalisations’ as listed on the Government website are not therefore otherwise healthy people who have needed to be taken to hospital because of COVID-19; and
  • ‘Deaths’ are ‘with’ not ‘of’ COVID-19. Therefore, if someone is run over but tests positive it is a COVID-19 death. If they have several co-mobilities or suffer a heart attach, it is a COVID-19 death. This again vastly overstates the significance of COVID-19 in the death figures.

Following ‘the science’
Given that COVID-19 is not as deadly as first feared, and given that lockdowns do not work, a policy of ‘focussed protection’ for the vulnerable offers a viable alternative approach to a second lockdown. This is as set out in the Great Barrington Declaration, a document created by a Professor of Medicine at Harvard University, a Professor and epidemiologist at Oxford University, and a Professor at Stanford University Medical School. It has also been co-signed by 44 thousand medical and public health professionals.

I urge you to listen Dr Mike Yeadon, the former Allergy and Respiratory Research Head with Pfizer Global R&D and the co-Founder of Ziarco Pharma Ltd. He is enlightening in relation to the contempt in which he holds the Government’s current advisers, and in clearly explaining why there is no likelihood of deaths even close to the same order of magnitude as we suffered in the 1st wave. This is a long interview, but essential listening ahead of such an important moment in our country’s history: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbMJoJ6i39k . He is particularly good at dispelling the myth that we don’t acquire immunity to COVID-19. Here is a short article written by him that is easier to digest: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8899053/DR-MIKE-YEADON-Three-facts-No-10s-experts-got-wrong.html .

The following website is a useful suppository of knowledge regarding the actual dangers of COVID-19, which have been vastly overstated by the Government’s advisors and the media: https://evidencenotfear.com/ .

Carl Heneghan is also a useful source of information – https://twitter.com/carlheneghan .

Lastly, Ivor Cummins releases lots of extremely powerful and short videos looking at the empirical data. It’s all from Ireland, but is all transposable to the UK. This is a good one to start with – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq3AaceihtI .

The crucial point to make is that ‘the science’ is not fixed. There is significant debate around the response to COVID-19, and huge opposition to lockdowns from thousands of eminent and respected scientists and doctors. The Government is being disingenuous when stating that it is following ‘the science’, when in reality it is following ICL’s modelling (proven many times over to massively exaggerate risks) and the SAGE committee (increasingly clearly a highly politicised outfit), and ignoring all opposing science.

contd…

225542 kenadams, replying to kenadams, 57, #1060 of 2928 🔗

Moving beyond empirical data
I’d like to finish with a plea from the heart – I am the father of two young children. I now see no future for them. I have never before been even close to this desperate and depressed. It goes beyond data and evidence now. Lockdowns and social distancing deny us our most base instincts and emotions by cutting us off from our friends and family. Denying grand parents the opportunities to hug their grand children. Denying people seriously ill in hospital the emotional support of their family and friends. Denying what it is to be human. No more or less than that. I only wish I were more articulate, so that I could fully describe the depth of my hatred of the lockdown policy and what it is doing to society.

 We have also cancelled, indefinitely, all art, culture, travel, and sport. Almost everything that brings joy into our lives. This needs to be an important part of the balance when making decisions in relation to combatting COVID-19. It can’t simply be ignored. We need to ensure that we maintain a society where life is actually worth living. At the moment, all that the Conservative government is doing is allowing us to exist, not live. And is in the process of creating unemployment rates and state dependency the like of which the country has never seen.

We have reached a critical moment in our country’s history. If you truly care for the health and welfare of the nation, or are concerned about the future of Parliament, our constitution and liberties, you must reject this second lockdown. I urge you to be on the right side of history.

Yours sincerely

225575 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to kenadams, 19, #1061 of 2928 🔗

Splendid and I fully share your anguish.

I’m now at absolute rock bottom ;the depression which has plagued me for many years has returned and the endless isolation and irrational restrictions have created an overwhelming sense of utter futility and frustration.

At one point I got so desperate that I wondered whether staged suicides would bring these criminals to their smug, self aggrandising senses: ‘you’ve killed hundreds of thousands; you’ve destroyed economies, social relationships, trust, hope, aspirations ,livelihoods, family life,access to public health services,and still the propaganda continues. So, if we make the final irrevocable protest,will you listen, or will you carry on with the madness, all the while awarding yourselves and your cronies inflated salaries and ensuring that you’ll all survive the inevitable backlash relatively unscathed, or so you hope.’

Apologies if this seems in poor taste and evidence of little more than self pity; it isn’t; it’s just that I’ve had enough, like so many others.

225599 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to wendyk, 6, #1062 of 2928 🔗

I don’t think it’s in poor taste. These are the sorts of thoughts that cross the mind of human beings in a state of desperation. But they wouldn’t listen- they would just make sure that a swab was taken and PCR performed before our bodies were taken to the mortuary.

225605 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #1063 of 2928 🔗

True; a dismal reflection of our times.

225609 ▶▶▶▶ Draper233, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #1064 of 2928 🔗

Schwab test, more like

225649 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to wendyk, 5, #1065 of 2928 🔗

Hello Wendy. I hear you. I feel very similar. I know it’s very hard.

I think you could do with a plan. First, write to your MP, and every other MP whose opinion you think matters. Maybe join one of the upcoming demonstrations. Maybe put up posters in your neighbourhood.
But, second, try to think about what to do for yourself to help you feel more positive from day to day. A project at home? More exercise? Late-autumn gardening? Reading more? You know what helps you to focus and feel a sense of pleasure and purpose.

I am sure I speak for many people here in saying that I always value your posts. Hang in there.

225691 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Alethea, 6, #1066 of 2928 🔗

Thanks Alethea; I’ve just sent email number 4 to my SNP MP; I’ve written twice to Sir Desmond, and I’m hoping to resume weekly walks with my pal next week.

The weather here has been awful; endless rain and high winds, now thankfully on the way out.

An unexpected run-in with a new and thoroughly uncouth and thoughtless neighbour set me back significantly last Friday, added to which the next door neighbours are decidedly creepy; the middle aged son who lives with his mother has developed an unsuitable fixation on me and my living room windows; this has gone on for 9 years!

My flat looks onto a communal area, so all I can do is ignore them.

Thanks to this site, my spirits are slowly recovering and I’m still on my read all about Russia marathon.

Russian productions on Prime are also a favoured distraction.
Of course ,being retired, I’m comparatively fortunate, compared to the young, the self employed, those with children and the stalwarts on the minimum wage who are keeping us all going.

225651 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to wendyk, 15, #1067 of 2928 🔗

As ridiculous as it seems, we are closer to the end of this now than the beginning. There is significant push back happening all through Europe and this second mock down is not going to hold anywhere near as long. It can go one of two ways now. Everything proves the Government was right and we have to concede we were wrong or it all falls apart. My sense is the latter. Either way, we will know soon enough. Try to find an outlet and someone to chat to. You are surviving this bollocks, you will get through it and you should be proud.

All the best.

225695 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Leemc23, 2, #1068 of 2928 🔗

Thank you. Kind words mean a lot.

225917 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Leemc23, 4, #1069 of 2928 🔗

I am getting emails from various arts and music organisations which I subscribe to, about their impending closure due to lockdown. In the first lockdown such messages were liberally loaded with stuff about “keeping everyone safe”, but this time they are merely stating “we are closing because of the lockdown”. They are still some way from expressing opposition, but it’s a noticeable change of tone from the first time.

225935 ▶▶▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to Edward, 1, #1070 of 2928 🔗

And the petition/open letter from the swimming people is also encouraging. It seems that some organisations are starting to push back now.

226038 ▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to wendyk, 2, #1071 of 2928 🔗

Those responsible do need to be held accountable, tried for their inhumanity (there must be some crime they can be charged with) and punished. People will, I am sure, dismiss me as extreme, however, I would like to see them hanged.

226054 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to wendyk, 4, #1072 of 2928 🔗

No, it is not in poor taste. I am an eternal optimist, a naturally positive person and robustly sensible. For the first time in my life I am feeling low, quite low in fact. It’s only sites like these that make the difference. I won’t succumb, I’m too strong for that, but I know the feeling.

226619 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to wendyk, 1, #1073 of 2928 🔗

Please do not let these pathetic grey excuses for humans drive you to this, you as we all are,are worth much ..much more.

225786 ▶▶ RickH, replying to kenadams, 5, #1074 of 2928 🔗

kenadams – You have encapsulated the situation very well. The massive destruction in all those spheres of life is what its all about, and neither can I get my head round the compliance and complicity that has occurred in the impoverishment of Life, as compared to existence. I say that as someone whose day-to-day activity is compromised far less than it is for many. But I can’t look on what is happening more widely and just shrug my shoulders with ‘I’m all right, Jack’.

… because I’m not when I look at the things that matter.

But the data remains important, because it represents a slender hold on the reality and the alternative view.

Wendy – depression is awful. But perhaps, this time round, you can hold on to the fact that it isn’t you . This is coming from outside, and you are feeling what many of us, in our different ways and at different times, also feel. Many of us, I guess, are having to reach deep to find ways of dealing with it – it requires more than the usual resources that may have worked up to now. It will come … and it will go . Hang in.

225890 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to RickH, #1075 of 2928 🔗

Thank you Rick.

225845 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to kenadams, 2, #1076 of 2928 🔗

Heartfelt and personal. Great letter.

225545 PWL, 3, #1077 of 2928 🔗

All throughout this episode ICNARC has been publishing data from ICUs in England, Wales and Northern Ireland that undermines the hoax of “Covid-19”. The significance of the data is that it has always showed that not many people die from the pneumonia that is acute Covid-19 (or SARS, because SARS-COV-2 doesn’t exist) – arguably the only sort there is. There’s plenty of coverage here

A list of FBEL’s Covid-19 articles – and brief comments regarding continuation of coronahoax

but ICNARC’s data has routinely been ignored by mainstream anti-lockdown alternative and corporate media.

225557 calchas, replying to calchas, 6, #1078 of 2928 🔗

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/great-reset-dummies

What is “the Great Reset”? The Great Reset is a massively funded, desperately ambitious, internationally coordinated project led by some of the biggest multinational corporations and financial players on the planet and carried out by cooperating state bodies and NGOs. Its soul is a combination of early 20th century science fiction, idyllic Soviet posters, the obsessiveness of a deranged accountant with a gambling addiction—and an upgraded, digital version of “Manifest Destiny.””

225595 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to calchas, 1, #1079 of 2928 🔗

Must be stopped, how bloody dare they.

225641 ▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to calchas, 1, #1080 of 2928 🔗

For the Great Reset to work they have to collapse the old Fiat economy – that was on the brink anyway after all that QE. So far, so good.

225563 Graeme Robertson, replying to Graeme Robertson, #1081 of 2928 🔗

IMPORTANT The gov WILL NOT ACT on petitions unless you use the petition number 10 website. THEY WILL IGNORE the petition set up on change.org calling for the SAGE modelling predicting 4,000 daily deaths to be published. PLEASE set the petition up via this website: https://petition.parliament.uk/

225627 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Graeme Robertson, 2, #1082 of 2928 🔗

And who is a major investor in change.org – Bill Gates – so anything anti-narrative goes nowhere.

225564 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1083 of 2928 🔗

From the DT article referenced below about R now having fallen to one. The justification for a national lockdown and closure of hospitality is crumbling away by the minute. Doubtless they will still do it, but it will be harder and harder for them to claim that it has been responsible for any fall in numbers.

I assume educational settings includes universities, which is why it’s so high. Beyond that, surely it is not beyond the wit of man (although probably beyond the wit of politicians, admittedly) to improve the situation in care homes?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/11/03/r-rate-has-fallen-one-raising-hopes-lockdown-can-avoided/

Latest data from the most recent Public Health England (PHE) Weekly national Influenza and COVID19 surveillance report shows that the vast majority of outbreaks are happening in schools, workplaces and care homes and that the hospitality industry is a very low risk.
Out of 1,391 acute respiratory infection incidents reported in week 43, just 31 were linked to food outlet and restaurant settings – of which 23 were Covid.

In contrast, there were 397 incidents in care homes, 71 in hospitals, 311 in educational settings and 334 in workplaces, with a total of 803 Covid cases between them.

The figures suggest that closing shops, pubs and restaurants would do little to halt the spread.

225639 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1084 of 2928 🔗

Let’s close retail and hospitality ahead of Christmas, that will help.

225861 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Leemc23, #1085 of 2928 🔗

If your goal is to finish off those sectors in time for New Years.

225566 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 12, #1086 of 2928 🔗

The modelling, that’s the data we are looking at.

The above a is quote from Sir Patrick Vallance, the government’s most senior scientific advisor. Vallance cannot but know that the outcomes of computer models are not data. So why the pretence that they are? One thing that we do know about the government’s response to the virus is they are very concerned to elicit high compliance. And facts (data are facts) are not something one can reasonably argue about. If someone said, “This is a chair,” and they were referring to a chair, dissent, controversy and argument would be absurd. However, if someone said, “Tomorrow the earth will be hit by an asteroid and it will be disastrous,” dissent, controversy and argument would be entirely appropriate. So my inference is that Vallance (and the rest) is deliberately pretending that the outcomes of computer models are facts in order to suppress dissent, controversy and argument, so as to elicit compliance. I think paying attention to their misuse of the language is a rather straight-forward way of showing that they are being dishonest, and once their dishonesty is established, compliance would become much more difficult to elicit, and much dissent, controversy and argument would follow, completely undermining the basis of the government’s lockdowns.

225629 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #1087 of 2928 🔗

You are, I think, completely correct in what your pointing out. Modelling is not data.

225662 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Leemc23, 4, #1088 of 2928 🔗

As every literate person knows. Yet BBC journalists (to pick on one group not entirely at random) constantly refer to the results of computer models as data – and most of these people are English graduates.

225679 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #1089 of 2928 🔗

It’s nothing to do with degree subjects – its to do with wider “literacy” and logic. Remember, a lot of the rubbish coming out is spouted by science graduates who have progressed to PhD level.

(my first degree has an ‘A’ at the back, my second an’Sc’ – they both contribute to understanding)

225663 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #1090 of 2928 🔗

Data is collected, models are generated.

225670 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #1091 of 2928 🔗

“the outcomes of computer models are not data

Yes – it’s a pretty elementary blunder to confuse inputs and outputs.

225874 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to RickH, 1, #1092 of 2928 🔗

A blunder is a mistake. My point is that Vallance must be doing this intentionally. He cannot be making a mistake.

225891 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #1093 of 2928 🔗

Agreed. I worked in engineering for many years and still have some part-time involvement, and we always use the term “data” in the specific sense that you state, something measured. However even measured data can be misleading if misinterpreted, if the measurements are subject to inaccuracy (such as PCR tests) or the statistical sampling procedure is biased.

225567 Draper233, replying to Draper233, 12, #1094 of 2928 🔗

The latest ONS weekly excess death data has been released and the BBC are reporting that it is up by 10%, which coincides roughly with the number of weekly “Covid” deaths, clearly designed to make most people believe that there must be a link.

However, the real story is the big jump in excess deaths “at home” which was up by 959 for week 43, of which just 49 were classed as with Covid .

To put this in perspective, the increase in hospital excess deaths was just 14 for the last week, but in the spring reached 4416. Care homes reached 5656 excess deaths in the spring and were just 39 in the last week.

Surely there is no question that the primary reason for current excess deaths is due to lockdown measures.

225596 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Draper233, 4, #1095 of 2928 🔗

So nearly all 980 excess deaths (only 14 above 5yr average in hospitals) can be accounted for by excess ‘deaths at home’.

225638 ▶▶▶ Draper233, replying to Sarigan, 3, #1096 of 2928 🔗

For any logical person, yes.

But zealots will maintain that as Covid didn’t exist in the 5 year average, the excess must be due to the “Covid” deaths. Unfortunately the brainwashed general public will buy it.

This is why we have to hammer home the truth. If Covid wasn’t around right now, we’d be talking about a massive crisis in excess home deaths, which have now reached 30,813 for weeks 11 – 43, just 2595 of which were “with Covid”.

225652 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Sarigan, 2, #1097 of 2928 🔗

There’s no ‘excess deaths’. Just deaths, which can be subjected to historical comparison and analysis. I’m fed up with this misleading and imprecise term.

Levels of mortality are subject to considerable variation over varying periods – so a five-year baseline is totally inadequate if used as a definitive guideline for what is ‘normal’.

225667 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to RickH, 1, #1098 of 2928 🔗

What? That is exactly what I understand the term to mean

225674 ▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1099 of 2928 🔗

I think it’s perhaps that ‘excess’ suggests unacceptable or obviously avoidable. Like excess baggage, or excess skin. Although it’s unlikely under current anti-social conditions if we were to see a big rise in birth rates they probably wouldn’t be framed as excess births.

225733 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #1100 of 2928 🔗

Unfortunately the only proper way to look at this is through both population total and age profile adjusted numbers over 50 years or more. This requires a large time series or graph, not something most people want to spend the time understanding. If they did they would notice that 2020 is completely unremarkable, and is far less than almost every year over the last 50. Indeed the graph would show a slight upturn since the 2008 financial crisis. This is probably because of increased poverty in some places.
All ages, all reasons excess deaths over a 5yr trend is a substitute for this long term analysis. Its far from perfect, but it does nevertheless give lie to most of the propoganda.

225774 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Draper233, replying to peyrole, #1101 of 2928 🔗

Agree with parts of the above, but whether you like it or not, the ONS use the 5-year average and the media report on it.

The point is that even using this “official” data we can clearly see that the excess is mainly due to deaths “at home” rather than in hospitals or care homes. This is a completely different picture compared to spring.

225864 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to peyrole, #1102 of 2928 🔗

5 years seems to me to be a reasonable extent to average out the natural fluctuations and dependence on severity of winters etc. 10 years might be better, but with a period of 10 years or longer another factor comes into play, namely the improvements in in medical techniques which keep people alive for longer. But since everyone dies eventually (message to general public – didn’t you know that?) the deaths still happen but may be pushed to a higher average age.

225748 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Draper233, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #1103 of 2928 🔗

As I said above, the use for the ONS term “excess deaths” is very simple – it is the number of deaths higher or lower than the 5 year average. That is it, very precise and easy to understand.

225760 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Draper233, #1104 of 2928 🔗

Yes, I understand that perfectly, thanks. I was just speculating on why some folks might dislike the term. It is often the case that language used in a scientific or academic context doesn’t translate as well as it might into the vernacular.

225849 ▶▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1105 of 2928 🔗

Euromomo has loads of graphs focusing on excess mortality and related themes. Ivor Cummins talks about them a lot.

What I struggle with is z-scores, which they use for the country comparisons. Appears to be a similar concept though.

https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps

225681 ▶▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to RickH, 1, #1106 of 2928 🔗

That is correct. It is a statistical artifact used to judge whether it is a “good” or “bad” year compared to the average of the last five years. It doesn’t mean it’s not useful but it is essentially arbitrary and can only be used as a guide due to the large number of factors that can influence fluctuations in death rates.

225715 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to RickH, 1, #1107 of 2928 🔗

Quite agree; I’ve always doubted the validity of the term excess deaths.

225742 ▶▶▶▶ Draper233, replying to RickH, 1, #1108 of 2928 🔗

Not sure the point you’re making.

As you already know, the ONS define “excess deaths” as the number of deaths higher or lower than the 5 year average.

How can this be described as misleading or imprecise? It is neither.

As to the inadequacy, no stats can be taken at face value of course, but a 5-year average is far more likely to reflect current trends than, say, going back 20 years where there will be considerable variation.

225995 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Draper233, 1, #1109 of 2928 🔗

And an NHS that is refusing to admit the sick elderly, whatever they have and issue DNR notices on a whim. I would also say that, it will never be admitted to by the Government, that thousands of these deaths are probably due to the NHS cancelling lifesaving treatment for cancer patients, stroke patients, cardiac patients and more. They also shut down their diagnostic services. There are going to be hundreds of thousands more completely avoidable deaths in the coming 5 years due to the NHS shutting down. Shame on them. They’ll get away with it too.

Let’s get some reality on these figures. Someone who is good at analysis of such things and acquiring further information, such as Henegan, would be able to shed light I think.

225568 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #1110 of 2928 🔗

If anyone hasn’t seen it there is an open letter and petition put together by Emma Kenny and other mental health professionals that can be signed by other MHPs and ‘concerned citizens’ too. 2293 signatures so far.

I think it’s well written and supports the sceptical view – especially highlighting the damage done by masks.
https://www.psychologycounts.com/

225583 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Charlie Blue, 19, #1111 of 2928 🔗

Covering of the face can lead to a sense of anonymity and social isolation, to changes in social dynamics, such as distrust and aggression, and to reduced awareness of others’ needs, for example, not being able to see signs of distress. Enforced mask wearing has also created division (e.g. labelling of people as altruistic vs selfish) and discrimination (e.g. restricted access to those who are exempt) within society.

Which is one of the key reasons why masks have been mandated. Nice to hear this expressed by professional psychologists, but it’s too little, too late. They haven’t got a fucking clue who they’re up against here.

225839 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Richard O, 2, #1112 of 2928 🔗

Unless we are all in our graves, it is never too late.

I will say it’s very strange when riding the bus the way some people actually recoil when they see my uncovered face. It’s like I’m unnatural looking to them. Obvious psychological damage.

226014 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to ConstantBees, #1113 of 2928 🔗

Yep. Rosa Parkes refused to move seats on a bus and changed history in the USA.

225592 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Charlie Blue, 13, #1114 of 2928 🔗

My niece, teacher, told me weeks ago, that ‘you do get used to wearing a mask’, as if that’s ok. She’s has a positive result now, after having a headache which then made her go for a test, she now thinks she will die. She wears a mask all day long, which most likely gave her the headache.

225594 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Dan Clarke, 16, #1115 of 2928 🔗

Sorry to say it but she has got what she deserved.

225736 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Richard O, 3, #1116 of 2928 🔗

Agree. No sympathy

225618 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Dan Clarke, 10, #1117 of 2928 🔗

If she ever recovers from the lurgie you might want to be helpful and ask her if the masks she wore wear coated in Ethylene Oxide. When these idiots are coughing up their own arseholes from lung cancer I wonder if they will blame the likes of me for not wearing a mask quite so much ?

Your Government cares so much that there is no “Standard” to which masks are made.

225622 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Dan Clarke, 7, #1118 of 2928 🔗

I’d be interested to know whether she made up some symptoms to get her test, since a headached has definitely never been on the list. My impression is that many people do. Or do they just welcome any customers with open arms at this point?

225633 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 6, #1119 of 2928 🔗

She is a dedicated teacher, will give her that, but has been sucked into covid from the start. The mask, she wears while teaching, shopping, anywhere really. Told her to check the chemical make up in the mask, don’t know if she did it. She’s isolating now, I told I will visit in 2 weeks to see if she still lives……….

226020 ▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to Dan Clarke, #1120 of 2928 🔗

I hope she doesn’t and I don’t think she’s going to, however, if she does die, her death is going to be attributable to her own actions.

My wife and I wear masks only if we have no choice but to shop in a particular establishment and are told that we cannot enter without wearing one. We also make a point of signalling support on the rare occasions we see other free thinkers going maskless (becoming less rare now).

225603 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #1121 of 2928 🔗

I’ve read, signed and sent the link to my MP;SNP so not much hope of a reply, but still.

225612 ▶▶ right2question, replying to Charlie Blue, 8, #1122 of 2928 🔗

https://timeforrecovery.org/
the movement that emma kenny is part of were responsible for the huge projection of ‘lockdowns don’t work’ onto the houses of parliament.

225824 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Charlie Blue, #1123 of 2928 🔗

Signed.

225570 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 8, #1124 of 2928 🔗

Apologies if this has already posted. Tell the mask wearers what you have known all along!
BBC: Chinese firm moves from adult nappies to face masks https://www.bbc.com/news/business-54776402

Excerpts:
A Chinese firm specialising in adult nappies – also known as diapers – is to provide protective masks to the UK.
Daddybaby has just been certified by the British Standards Institution (BSI) and the EU to offer personal protective equipment (PPE).
The company normally specialises in a very different line of products – including baby nappies, adult nappies and sanitary towels – but it has now modified six production lines, increasing its output to 1,100 mask pieces per minute, or 4.5m a day.
Reacting to the approvals by the BSI and EU, the company said it will allow it “to break new grounds”.

225602 ▶▶ Simon, replying to godowneasy, 5, #1125 of 2928 🔗

Funny how all the stuuff coming out of Wuhan shows the Chinese aren’t wearing them…

225608 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Simon, 11, #1126 of 2928 🔗

The mask fetish in China was always pollution driven, as usual the media use it as a simple visual tool to keep all this bullshit continuing. The Chinese are actually laughing at Europeans for how idiotic we are, based on things I have seen from we chat anyway

225630 ▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Leemc23, 2, #1127 of 2928 🔗

And in Japan too.Watching Michael Palin’s travels recently on TV from the 1990s, very noticeable that nobody was wearing a mask.
Then came wide spread car ownership and Indonesian forest fires and hugely increased industrial production.

225684 ▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to bluemoon, 5, #1128 of 2928 🔗

There are alot od misconceptions about this.

I have travelled in China several times (including January) and saw hardly anybody wearing masks.

The propaganda here likes to paint mask-wearing in the Far East as some king of longstanding cultural practice, which we could adopt.

It isn’t.

225694 ▶▶▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to bluemoon, 2, #1129 of 2928 🔗

I’ve been on holiday to Japan twice. Hardly anyone wears masks.

225610 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to godowneasy, 4, #1130 of 2928 🔗

Why is my national broadcaster running advertising for a Chinese company ?

225838 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to godowneasy, #1131 of 2928 🔗

The expression arse about face comes to mind

225585 CGL, 2, #1132 of 2928 🔗

Anyone in West Berkshire on here PLEASE submit this (I didnt tick either of the lockdown options – just wrote ‘Neither’ in the box)

https://www.laurafarris.org.uk/lockdown-survey

225590 vargas99, 4, #1133 of 2928 🔗

1st Place: SAGE, 2nd: IMPERIAL COLLEGE, 3rd: UK Govt

225597 John P, replying to John P, 15, #1134 of 2928 🔗

Robert Jenrick – another lying weasel who should be hung, drawn and quartered – speaks to Julia Hartley-Brewer.

It’s almost unbearable listening to this slimy shit. He dodges Julia’s question every time:

https://twitter.com/talkRADIO/status/1323558032941330434

225637 ▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to John P, 1, #1135 of 2928 🔗

I heard it too. He’s well versed in Politician Bullshit Speak.

225646 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to John P, 6, #1136 of 2928 🔗

She didn’t let the worm off the hook though did she. That’s how it is done MSM.

225775 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to John P, #1137 of 2928 🔗

On the list near the top

225598 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1138 of 2928 🔗

What are these rapid tests they are deploying in Liverpool? Are they still PCR-based? Is there any hope that they will generate positives at a significantly lower rate than currently seen from the lab-based PCR testing, thus exposing it as a sham?

225613 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #1139 of 2928 🔗

Not PCR but antigen testing. Supposedly with 99.9% sensitivity (1 in 1000 false positives). https://www.alphabiolabs.co.uk/workplace-testing-services/rapid-covid-19-antigen-test/

225619 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to p02099003, 3, #1140 of 2928 🔗

So, only 67,000 false positives when they test everyone. Plus the collateral damage caused by their Trap-n-Trace contacts. Great.

225822 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #1141 of 2928 🔗

This is what’s worrying me. Cases will rise from 20-odd thousand per day to getting on for 100,000. Just like Whitty claims.

225623 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to p02099003, #1142 of 2928 🔗

…. and we know about the problems with that, too.

225817 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to p02099003, 1, #1143 of 2928 🔗

So is it an antigen-antibody test, like ELISA?

225615 ▶▶ chaos, replying to A. Contrarian, #1144 of 2928 🔗

PCR and antigen… probably +90% false positives. For both. Given that the whole process is probably ‘played with’. Whomevert collates the stats controls the stats.

225749 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to chaos, #1145 of 2928 🔗

They are the ‘quick’ tests:

  • Antigen test. This COVID-19 test detects certain proteins in the virus. Using a nasal or throat swab to get a fluid sample, antigen tests can produce results in minutes. Because these tests are faster and less expensive than PCR tests, antigen tests may be more practical to use for large numbers of people. A positive antigen test result is considered very accurate, but there’s an increased chance of false-negative results — meaning it’s possible to be infected with the virus but have a negative result. Depending on the situation, the doctor may recommend a PCR test to confirm a negative antigen test result.
225601 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 7, #1146 of 2928 🔗

Singapore. Just seen this – it’s absolutely terrifying:

Coronavirus: Singapore schoolchildren must use Covid-tracing tech
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-54792187

Singapore pupils aged over seven must use the city state’s contact-tracing app or wearable device from December…The government has already said the TraceTogether app or token will, however, be mandatory in workplaces, restaurants and shopping centres . …. on Monday, the country recorded no local cases of Covid-19 and one imported case .

225607 ▶▶ jb12, replying to godowneasy, 16, #1147 of 2928 🔗

This has always been the point. I suspected that Covid was nothing to be worried about the second week of March; knew for certain in May when the ONS released their first figures. I did not know why until I read of the health passport. Since then everything has made complete sense, every ‘strange’ decision or act of ‘incompetence’ made complete sense.

225631 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to godowneasy, 2, #1148 of 2928 🔗

Advocates have also suggested the tokens could be better for privacy.” – it beggars belief!

225813 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to godowneasy, #1149 of 2928 🔗

Singapore seems pretty heavy-handed in general. Only visited there once, but felt uncomfortable because of their strict laws and regulations. Wasn’t sure if I would do something wrong by accident. Extremely clean, though. Perhaps we have someone here from Singapore who can give a first-hand account – better than my vague impressions! Or maybe not, if they can’t visit websites like this.

227129 ▶▶▶ TT, replying to ConstantBees, #1150 of 2928 🔗

“Extremely clean” comes naturally where people can be jailed for spitting a piece of gum on the pavement…

225617 Dean, replying to Dean, 10, #1151 of 2928 🔗

So difficult to mentally fight this everyday. i can slowly feel myself being dragged into the cult. Loving lockdown, sitting at home all day, accepting the new normal, having my regular vaccine. It feels so sweetly calming…Dear god help! Soon i’ll be performing a two minute hate on Lord Sumption and perfoming my regular exercises in front of a telescreen of Vallance’s face.

“Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself.”

225625 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Dean, 8, #1152 of 2928 🔗

Resist!Resist!

225796 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to wendyk, 1, #1153 of 2928 🔗

Exterminate! Exterminate! The government, not the people!

225642 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Dean, 7, #1154 of 2928 🔗

Not my opinion at all.

I don’t think peope like this at all. Those who comply do so either because they are genuinely scared (ignorant,uninformed, impressionable), or because they fear a fine or other punishment.

If masking, distancing were not enforced by laws etc, then normality would return in two weeks.

Just think about the economic consequenceso all this – unsustainable.

This explodes in 5 or 6 months as the weather warms up, unless the authorities escalate in some way before then.

225728 ▶▶▶ LS99, replying to calchas, 2, #1155 of 2928 🔗

They also fear not doing what everyone else is doing – being the odd one out, standing out.

225799 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to LS99, #1156 of 2928 🔗

Unfortunately, that is a strong force, especially in the English population (sorry, I do love y’all). It’s that head above the parapet thing that you all talk about. More fight in Americans, but we have other weaknesses, which I’m sure you all can enumerate.

225732 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Dean, 5, #1157 of 2928 🔗

Anyone driving with a mask in a car need serious help. No sympathy

225761 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Dean, #1158 of 2928 🔗

Sometimes I think it would be easier if I loved Big Brother.
For the second lockdown I will have to re read 1984

225626 Spinozas Ethic, 4, #1159 of 2928 🔗

As a keen observer of mathematical lies, false assumptions and illogic, I have followed with interest the ridiculous predictions of Prof. Ferguson and others of his ilk since the early days of covid19. Unversed in the details of mathematical “pandemic” modelling, I am, however, quite capable of distinguishing reality from the absurd. The latest “forecasts” being bandied around by Witty and Valance, courtesy of a motley array of unsupported models from various “specialist departments” prompted me to look into what could possibly have induced the grotesque lack of common sense and cross-party questioning of the “graphs” recently churned out to support the latest lockdown.

It is very important when attempting to prove any mathematical hypothesis that one is clear on the initial assumptions. Ensuring these basic notions or numbers are categorically true/accurate should, in the real world, be done before any possibly unnecessary calculations or “proofs” are attempted. I am put in mind of the “proof” by mathematical induction that “all cows are the same colour” – a proof which, although a beautiful example of logic for all cases. is based on a false (but inherently true-sounding) assumption for the number one.

The shape of the latest forecast “curves” appears to be the mathematical hoary old chestnut of a normal distribution (bell=shaped) curve, not the medically familiar Gompertz curve. Aside from ease of modelling what is the premise for this incongruous assumption?

1) The size of the alleged “second wave” appears to have been deduced by merely magnifying the shape of the early part of the “first wave” on the groundless assumption that it must follow the same course as the “first”. The result of this is that, paradoxically, the longer the current figures show that deaths are slowly rising, the more and more enormous the predicted second wave could become.

2) The latest “forecast” suggests to me that the assumed population of the UK is pretty much infinite.

3) The modellers appear to have neither heard of nor accounted for the existence of Gompertz curves.

The emperor’s clothes come in many colours.

225635 JHuntz, replying to JHuntz, 12, #1160 of 2928 🔗

Just received this updated from the Dolan case – Part 1:-

Update on Join the Legal Challenge to the UK Govt Lockdown

Dear Supporter,

I wanted to update you on our appeal, which was heard at one of the highest courts in the land last Thursday and Friday. The hearing took place in the very grand Court 4 at the Royal Courts of Justice which is the Lord Chief Justice’s Court. The three appeal judges included the Lord Chief Justice himself, Lord Burnett of Maldon and two other appeal judges Lady Justice King and Lord Justice Singh. It was a ‘hybrid hearing’ which meant that the hearing physically took place in a courtroom but it was also being live streamed for people to watch. I was pleased to see some supporters in court – thanks for coming down.
Once again it was Philip Havers QC putting forward our side of the argument, supported by junior barrister Francis Hoar. Sir James Eadie QC was representing the government (with three other barristers at his side, handing him notes and working on their case.
The whole of the first day and the morning of the second were taken up with Philip Havers presenting our case. His main argument was that the lockdown legislation was ‘ultra vires’ or outside the scope of the 1984 Public Health Act which was used to bring them in. In other words the lockdown was illegal.
He also argued that our case was not ‘academic’. When our judicial review into the lockdown was refused in July one of the reasons given was that the case was no longer valid because the lockdown regulations had been revised numerous times (and are being reimposed as we speak). However, we say that the legal challenge is absolutely vital and necessary to stop the government doing the same thing again.
Philip also explained why we believe the regulations contravened people’s human rights which are enshrined in the European Convention of Human Rights and that they were a ‘disproportionate breach’ of those rights. He told the court the lockdown regulations ‘imposed far-reaching restrictions on the lives and businesses of the entire population of England’.
Philip said: “If the court subjects these regulations to judicial scrutiny and if the government is considering a second lockdown, the government, together with parliament and the public, will have available to them what this court has to say about the proportionality of the original lockdown.”
Philip argued that the original lockdown regulations were subjected to ‘no judicial scrutiny at all.’ He said: “Over five weeks elapsed between the making of the original regulations on March 26 and being approved by affirmative resolution by the House of Commons… seven weeks with both houses. These regulations were made without any parliamentary scrutiny at all and only debated weeks later.” He said the 1984 Public Health Act did not allow for ‘house arrest on the whole population.’
My QC then directed his aim at the five tests the government relied on to consider an easing of the lockdown, arguing that these had to be satisfied regardless of the damage or harm being caused to other illnesses and jobs and so on. He told the hearing the five tests did not take into account ‘domestic violence, cancer, disease – the consequences for all those who suffer from other illnesses’. He said: “Less restrictive measures could have been adopted without causing disproportionate harm.”
The debate moved on to deaths from Covid-19. Mr Havers said: “The chance of children, mercifully, or adults under 20 dying from Covid-19 who didn’t have a pre-existing condition was and still is vanishingly small and the chance of an adult under the age of 60 dying was and still is also extremely small….To continue to keep the whole population under house arrest…to continue to ban all gatherings and so on was irrational when a more targeted approach could have been achieved.”
Lord Justice Singh asked if protecting the NHS was a good enough reason to impose the restrictions. Philip responded: “There were well over 3000 spare capacity beds… there was no realistic prospect of the NHS being overwhelmed.”
The justices then questioned whether our legal challenge was too general. They also probed into whether the legislation’s ‘reasonable excuse’ caveat meant it did not violate human rights. In other words, they were suggesting there were get-outs for people who could breach the regulations and then cite human rights law to justify why they had gone to see their grandma ? This felt like a controversial point to me. Is it realistic that the average person would think to quote human rights law to a policeman?

225636 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to JHuntz, 15, #1161 of 2928 🔗

Part 2

On the second day, Mr Havers argued the closure of schools was disproportionate. He said: “All schoolchildren with no pre-existing conditions could readily have gone back to school by July 2 and we say should arguably have gone back to school by then.”
Lord Chief Justice asked: “So you are saying because the data was showing the risks were low therefore the government should have persuaded reluctant people to restore the status quo to do so?” Philip replied: “Given the enormous harm being done to the education of every schoolchild in the country my answer is ‘yes’.”
Sir James Eadie took to his feet on the second day to put the government’s case. He said: “The structure and nature of restrictions has changed pretty fundamentally over time, reflecting the scientific understanding. The various judgements that have to be made over time and the balance governments have to strike… to keep the economy maximally open as humanly possible against the resurgence of the violence and the risk it creates.” Sir James also denied claims the coronavirus restrictions were improperly implemented.
Philip said the 1984 Public Health Act used to order the lockdown only applied to individuals and should not have been used ‘to keep everyone ‘under house arrest.’ He suggested the Government should have used the 2004 Civil Contingencies Act instead.
The Lord Chief Justice, Lord Justice Singh and Lady Justice King are now considering their judgement which could be issued any day now.
Depending on their verdict, we will have to consider our next step. It may be that we have to challenge their ruling in the Supreme Court. One thing remains certain – we will not be giving up. What’s also clear, is that this case is momentous, having brought into question significant elements of our legal system as well as the powers of our ministers.
In the meantime, we must continue to gather as much support as we can. Please continue to spread our message, by sharing our updates, our cause and the link to this Crowdjustice fund.
Together, we will Keep Britain Free.
Simon.

225668 ▶▶▶ Ozzie, replying to JHuntz, 7, #1162 of 2928 🔗

Thank you for posting this. I do wonder whether someone “on our side” leaked the new lockdown proposal ahead of the judgement – especially as the new lockdown justification is leakier than a rusty sieve.

225731 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Ozzie, 2, #1163 of 2928 🔗

Problem is, a ‘win’ from Simon’s case merely means that all new rules would be imposed via the Civil contingencies act and require votes, also be time limited. So far there are not enough MPs on our side – in spite of Michael O’Bernicia’s summonses and threat of prosecution..

225791 ▶▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Carrie, 2, #1164 of 2928 🔗

Then we will have to mount another challenge. I say we, well, I have been donating a bit every month. Simon won’t give up. There are probably thousands of supporters.

I’m going to put in a bit more this month. Hopefully other people will too. Legal help is not cheap.

https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/lockdownlegalchallenge/

225828 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Carrie, 1, #1165 of 2928 🔗

These matters should be put in front of the representatives. Then we hold those to account at the next election.

It’s the end of government by decree that is important.

225881 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to JHuntz, #1166 of 2928 🔗

Surprised some of the legal help is not pro bono, it seems that it would be in their interests too, looking into the future.

225640 John P, replying to John P, 9, #1167 of 2928 🔗

If there is anyone who still thinks that the corpulent shit who squats in #10 Downing Street is a “libertarian” they ought to read this. (There’s still time, they haven’t got around to censoring the media as yet. Don’t worry, they will.)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8907783/Home-Secretary-Priti-Patel-order-police-stop-protests-involving-TWO-people.html?ito=amp_twitter_share-top

225680 ▶▶ David Farrer, replying to John P, 4, #1168 of 2928 🔗

One of the two founders of the UK libertarian movement once told me that I had the largest collection of libertarian books in the country. I can assure folk that Boris is not a libertarian, has never been a libertarian, and hasn’t a clue as to what the word means.

226297 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to David Farrer, #1169 of 2928 🔗

He probably thinks it’s a synonym of ‘libertine’.

225745 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to John P, #1170 of 2928 🔗

Does anyone still think this is about a panicked response to a virus?

225644 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #1171 of 2928 🔗

My brilliant STAY SANE badges have arrived.
Thanks – I’m assuming they’re by someone from here.
Love the stickers and the note too.
Couldn’t work out how to leave a review.

Find them here: https://www.etsy.com/listing/885168967/stay-sane-badges-pack-of-three-badges?utm_source=duckduckduckgoetsyin&utm_medium=api&utm_campaign=api

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225650 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1172 of 2928 🔗

Yeah, I also appreciated the note + bonus sticker. Now I need to figure out where to put it.

227133 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to mattghg, #1173 of 2928 🔗

Mine’s on my front door. Unmissable!

225718 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1174 of 2928 🔗

I’ve ordered some too!!

225782 ▶▶ Mrs issedoff, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1175 of 2928 🔗

Just ordered some, will pass some on to the sane people within my circle, not as many as I would like unfortunately.

225785 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1176 of 2928 🔗

Got mine today, too. Straight on my jacket!

225647 steph, replying to steph, 21, #1177 of 2928 🔗

Ocado delivery driver caught me at a raw moment and asked did I think the PM had left the second lockdown too late.
Poor man, but then he did ask.

225654 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to steph, 4, #1178 of 2928 🔗

He’ll be out of a job when the food shortages kick in.

225688 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Richard O, 3, #1179 of 2928 🔗

…and the fuel shortages will mean he’s driving nothing anywhere.

225724 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Richard O, 2, #1180 of 2928 🔗

I noticed the chicken cull has started – report on the BBC about avian flu somewhere in the South East. Culled 13,000 of them.

225750 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to CGL, 2, #1181 of 2928 🔗

No doubt a virus like this will be jumping to humans before long. Dr. Gates warned us.

227137 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to CGL, #1182 of 2928 🔗

Had Ferguson been in the vicinity by any chance?

225664 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to steph, 6, #1183 of 2928 🔗

That’s why he’s driving a van for a living

225778 ▶▶▶ Mrs issedoff, replying to Cecil B, #1184 of 2928 🔗

I see your inference there, but I will say that there are many highly paid professionals who seem to be thick as a brick when it comes to the plandemic.

225692 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to steph, 5, #1185 of 2928 🔗

To be fair his company is probably lapping up the COVID hysteria knowing fine well it’s the best thing that has ever happened to their business.

225730 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to steph, 1, #1186 of 2928 🔗

Well done, proper education was needed

225783 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to steph, 1, #1187 of 2928 🔗

He is an Ocado driver, after all. His customers probably expect that kind of talk. I use ASDA and their drivers are more down to earth.

225648 BeBopRockSteady, 4, #1188 of 2928 🔗

The Vatican is having a hard time financially due to Covid. I’ll get a gofundme set up shortly guys.

https://youtu.be/1cc479aDjkA

225660 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 22, #1189 of 2928 🔗

The bedwetters followed the rules meticulously

The dictator has given them a special bonus of a months house arrest as a thank you

What a bunch of total spanners

225669 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Cecil B, 7, #1190 of 2928 🔗

One month that will be extended to six. At least.

And for those of us who refuse the vaccine, it will be extended indefinitely.

225678 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Cecil B, 14, #1191 of 2928 🔗

Never better illustrated than my local ASDA yesterday. Apart from the mask-wearing, it had been slowly getting back to normal i.e. no long queues. Yesterday however, one of those portable bank airport style retractable belt barriers bottlenecked traffick into the store and EVERY customer in front of me stopped to clean their trolley handles at the antibacterial and paper towell station when they got to the entry. There was no demand for this cleaning. One person had started it and everyone in the queue followed the ‘leader’. Non-player characters… I had to struggle past these asshats with my basket.

225686 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to chaos, 7, #1192 of 2928 🔗

Monkey see,monkey do.

225704 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to chaos, 2, #1193 of 2928 🔗

I’ve only witnessed that a couple of times. Like you just walked past and ignored

225712 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to chaos, 2, #1194 of 2928 🔗

Maybe we need to start banging the hand sanitizing gel doesn’t work drum.

What will the muppets do when their liquid talisman no longer works?

225716 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Mabel Cow, 3, #1195 of 2928 🔗

Even better, what is the proof that this virus can be contracted from surfaces?

Last time I checked, the prevailing scientific position was that it is next to impossible to do so.

225781 ▶▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Richard O, 3, #1196 of 2928 🔗

Then why do I keep getting badgered to wash/gel my hands after I get off the bus? I only touch surfaces, not people while I’m on it. Of course, I don’t do that anyway. I’m either on my way to get earth all over my hands at the allotment, or on my way back with dirty hands. The virus can fight it out with whatever soil bacteria I’ve picked up.

225723 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #1197 of 2928 🔗

I thought Ireland was banning it from their schools at least?

226566 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Carrie, #1198 of 2928 🔗

They have removed certain products from an approved list of sanitisers. What evidence exists that the sanitisers on the approved list will kill COVID19 (or any virus) is not available.

225744 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, #1199 of 2928 🔗

To put the tin hat on it the spanners are saying thank you, you should have punished us earlier

225672 John Galt, replying to John Galt, 2, #1200 of 2928 🔗

I caught that Turkish Airlines advert at a friends house on TV (I don’t have a TV licence, so I’m not privy to this lunacy) – has anyone else seen it? Well, it seems that the full length version is even more draconian and surreal:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7LNSYTKnqA

225697 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to John Galt, 6, #1201 of 2928 🔗

That is truly horrific.

225700 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to John Galt, 4, #1202 of 2928 🔗

I’ve said it before, but we really are at the level of the Starship Troopers news reels now.

225710 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to John Galt, -1, #1203 of 2928 🔗

Spoilt little brat.

225719 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to John Galt, 3, #1204 of 2928 🔗

Horrific…. also, who would agree to appear in an advert like that? No principles.. Wonder when it was filmed?

225773 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Carrie, 1, #1205 of 2928 🔗

It was posted in June. No shortage of empty airports to film in.

225772 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to John Galt, 1, #1206 of 2928 🔗

One of my alternative identities just left a comment. We’ll see if they moderate them.

225811 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to John Galt, 1, #1207 of 2928 🔗

Awful stuff.

As if that kind of experience is everything you work all year for? It your little bubble, not interacting with anyone. Just get your Instagram photo next to the Acropolis and back to work.

225821 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to John Galt, 1, #1208 of 2928 🔗

Yeah, saw that one a while back and it just made me want to vomit. Normally I don’t see ads with the “skip forward 30s” button on the PVR. Another one that I caught the end of and made me want to vomit again was a couple of nights ago and I think it was Urban Armour or something but it showed two boxers in a strenuous sparring match wearing masks…here’s the website:

https://www.underarmour.co.uk/en-gb/ua-sportsmask/1368010.html

I mean really? What utter fucking horse shit!

225853 ▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 1, #1209 of 2928 🔗

Just realised that you can upvote and downvote reviews on the mask. I suggest getting on there and voting appropriately…

225896 ▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to The Filthy Engineer, #1210 of 2928 🔗

It worse than fucking horse shit. It is complete and utter cynical commercial exploitation. From the small print in the specification:

  • Non-medical & non-surgical mask, does not protect against viruses

I can’t even begin to express the contempt that I now feel towards Under Armour

226551 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to John Galt, #1211 of 2928 🔗

Saw it at least a month ago. Unfortunately, there is no contact details to send an email to to let them know that I would never visit any country that regards this as “normal”.

226584 ▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Ewan Duffy, #1212 of 2928 🔗
225698 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 7, #1213 of 2928 🔗

I just drove past the tesing station in Abercynon in Rhondda Cynon Taf today. I drove slowly past and could see very little activity inside. The two security people sunning themselves at he gate stood up as my car approached but I drove past, turned around and drove past slowly again. This testing station seems to be the one behind the local lockdown that began in September (now superceded by Drakeford’s latest diktat).

225709 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #1214 of 2928 🔗

One can only assume that the case figures that keep coming out are related to hospitals, student testing and the mass door to door testing they are doing in some of the so called ‘hot-spots’. It does make me wonder if some of these cases are the same person getting re-tested several times, I sort of assumed there would be some sort of register so that did not happen but I do wonder?

225711 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Steve Martindale, #1215 of 2928 🔗

Why would they want to stop it happening?

226124 ▶▶▶ HaylingDave, replying to Steve Martindale, #1216 of 2928 🔗

Home testing kits count as well, don’t they? As far as I know, I cannot see further granularity as to the test result’s origin, which doesn’t surprise me! Our local test center is dead as well – and there’s a YouTube video of a complication of multiple test center videos from around the country showing the same.

226309 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Londo Mollari, #1217 of 2928 🔗

Ditto for the one at Bet365 stadium, deserted but security huddling from the rain.

Good little morons wearing their soaking wet masks in a downpour.

Anyone told them that they don’t work when wet?

225699 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 13, #1218 of 2928 🔗

Just been to Barnstaple for what will probably be my last swim for a few weeks. The town was busy with people getting stuff done before lock-down, everybody looked fit, well, happy and healthy, no sign of a pandemic anywhere.
Anyway the point of posting is that Swim England are sending a letter to the Prime Minister later this afternoon to ask for swimming pools to remain open. You can add your name to this letter via this link;
https://www.swimming.org/swimengland/add-name-letter-to-pm/

225713 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #1219 of 2928 🔗

I’m curious – has it been suggested at any point that sports facilities in the UK operate a booking system to prevent over-crowding?

The small gym attached to my physiotherapists’ clinic here in Sweden closed in March, but re-opened again in August using an online booking system so that everyone does not turn up at the same time (it was previously drop-in). I don’t know if other gyms here have done the same… With there being no hard-and-fast rules over here, businesses have been free to interpret the general recommendations as they please.

The system at my gym seems to work well. Hope similar systems can be used the UK until the whole p(l)endemic fraud collapses…

225738 ▶▶▶ JulieR, replying to Carrie, #1220 of 2928 🔗

Yes, when our local gym opened in the summer you had to book online, could not just turn up. The same with local swimming pool.

225746 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to JulieR, #1221 of 2928 🔗

Ours is booking only too. Or was. Shut again from Thursday of course.

225802 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Carrie, #1222 of 2928 🔗

Yes most sports and leisure now pre-book only, limited numbers, session times reduced, fewer sessions, more gaps between sessions, don’t arrive more than few minutes before session, no showering. Unpleasant and financially unsustainable. Wear a mask except when exercising. Except sports and leisure, including outdoors, closed for at least a month, will require huge bailouts or face closure.

Where I stayed in Stockholm had a fantastic gym in the hotel that was open as a members club, hardly used. Quite sad really. But I wasn’t aware of any booking system.

225807 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Carrie, #1223 of 2928 🔗

I think all UK swimming pools are currently book ahead only, I used an outdoor one in the summer and now use an indoor pool, both book ahead. At Barnstaple you can have up to 10 swimmers in a double width lane, swimming in a circuit. Usually there is a slow, medium and fast lane. It all seems very well organised and low risk and so why they now feel they have to shut them down again is a mystery?

225835 ▶▶▶▶ muzzle, replying to Steve Martindale, #1224 of 2928 🔗

I’m lucky we have a full size indoor pool in our village courtesy of a large boarding school here. Fortunately no need to pre-book.

225729 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #1225 of 2928 🔗

No point sending a British swimming team to the Olympics is there!! I was a competetive swimmer when younger – training has to be daily. How on earth can they have kept competition fit this year?

225766 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to CGL, 2, #1226 of 2928 🔗

Olympics? Will they happen again?

226337 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to CGL, #1227 of 2928 🔗

Until March I used to be in lanes alongside a local club, a couple of whom were aiming at Tokyo – watching them all as they flew past me. When someone can do something which you just can’t, no matter how hard you try, it’s a bit humbling.

The amount of work that goes into getting to that standard – most people who haven’t seen it have no idea. I feel so bad for them and hope they’ve managed to keep their hand in, and that their time comes.

225780 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #1228 of 2928 🔗

Done (although I am unhappy about the statement that they support measures to suppress the virus).

My last swim will be tomorrow, unless I find the courage to get back in the sea again,

225701 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 9, #1229 of 2928 🔗

Interesting piece in the new Computing Forever video about Slovakia’s mass testing program involving the army. Citizens have been given the choice get tested or we will have a harsh lockdown (sure they will go ahead and do this anyway, but the people will fall for it). If you don’t get tested you have mandatory self isolation – it’s great living in a free western democracy in 2020! governments seem very lockstep. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mv0d_HCLs6I

225726 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Darryl, 1, #1230 of 2928 🔗

He’s had some good videos recently but he’s got a back history of seriously idiotic stuff on his channel

225762 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1231 of 2928 🔗

Not sure on the historic stuff as I have only been watching since the summer. He has certainly been spot on for the past few months, and ahead of the game on what they have planned for us.

225803 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Darryl, 1, #1232 of 2928 🔗

He’s basically a YouTube unboxer and Apple reviewer. Hence the computing forever. I do like his videos but needs to be balanced.

225765 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1233 of 2928 🔗

I agree. Even in his recent videos, I often get about halfway through, nodding my head in agreement the whole time. Then he goes off the deep end and I have to shut it off. Mixed bag, but some good content.

225770 ▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1234 of 2928 🔗

Most of his stuff is very good, but he loses me when he tries to tie it all together with his views on religion and abortion.

226026 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Chicot, #1235 of 2928 🔗

That’s where he loses me, too.

226539 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Chicot, #1236 of 2928 🔗

Hear hear. As I am Irish, I see him as a throwback to an historic Ireland, where a woman’s place was in the kitchen and she was legally little more than her husband’s sex object.

225705 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 35, #1237 of 2928 🔗

Chris Green MP(cons) has announced he will be voting against the lockdown. Well done that man.

225758 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #1238 of 2928 🔗

Brady’s called for an analysis on the effects of lockdown. That will be the one they haven’t done yet.

225708 Londo Mollari, 21, #1239 of 2928 🔗

Welsh government spokesman Dr Andrew Goodall confirmed at today’s press conference that 85% of beds occupied in Welsh hospitalised are non-Covid cases and that the hospitals in Wales are not overwhelmed. In response to a question he also confirmed that Welsh GPs were seeing the same number of patients as this time last year, albeit many are done by phone, Zoom or whatever.

225727 Zak Thelotofem, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 21, #1240 of 2928 🔗

Sound familiar?

Belgian Medical Doctors Speak Out
In the past month, three open letters have been published by medical professionals in Belgium, and have received the support of thousands of medical doctors, medical professionals and citizens.

Among the aspects covered in the letters are:

  • questionable legitimacy of medical doctors in charge of advising the government
  • mortality increases linked to pathologies other than COVID-19, due to delayed diagnostics and therapies
  • questionable legal foundation for a number of governmental measures
  • inflation of the number of positive cases, because of numerous false positives produced by the PCR technology, when mass testing is implemented
  • the availability of an affordable, safe, efficient therapy, in the form of hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin and zinc, advised against by most guidelines since the Lancet study (even if it has been retracted)
  • the role of immunity, and the absence of measures to strengthen natural immunity
  • questionability of vaccines as an exit strategy, because of mutations, low expected efficiency, number of people who would have adverse effects
  • anticipated inefficiency of vaccines for the elderly, which constitute the highest risk group
  • lack of independent, objective, professional information in mainstream media
225734 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 8, #1241 of 2928 🔗

it’s not a conspiracy when it’s in plain sight to any semi-intelligent person

225739 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Anothersceptic2, 4, #1242 of 2928 🔗

Great point. Nothing is hidden.

225804 ▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to Anothersceptic2, 3, #1243 of 2928 🔗

Notwithstanding that conspiracies do not have to be cloaked in secrecy it is well known that the best place to hide a thing is in plain sight. Even ‘semi-intelligent’ people know that.

225850 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to William Gruff, #1244 of 2928 🔗

Usually the best place to hide the thimble.

225737 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 24, #1245 of 2928 🔗

after the discussion re figures today I’m beginning to think we were too harsh on Diane Abbott

225751 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to crimsonpirate, #1246 of 2928 🔗

ha ha

225777 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #1247 of 2928 🔗

Does dolly chops wear matching shoes?

225752 RBeard, replying to RBeard, 4, #1248 of 2928 🔗

Just a thought, but I’ve been pondering a few things from interactions on Twitter. I’ve seen a few folk reply to posts of a sceptical nature, disagreeing (wish I could say politely, but heigh ho). One recurring theme is that they/friend/family member works in the NHS and they wish they could deny sceptics treatment, especially for Covid and especially if they even suspect they caught it by refusing to wear a mask etc. I’ve also seen tweets expressing the wish that sceptics pay for funerals of Covid patients etc.
Is this a view commonly held by NHS workers (not a problem, BTW, as everyone is entitled to hold views)? Have people heard it when accessing treatment? Have they been told they shouldn’t be in A&E because they’re taking care from Covid patients? Have they seen overwhelmed and frustrated NHS workers. Do people going to hospital get questioned routinely about this and turned away?
I’m very aware of people whose life-saving treatments such as chemotherapy have been stopped. I’ve been very lucky as I’ve been in reasonable health and not needed any emergency treatment, nor have any family. But our luck may not hold now that this situation looks set to run to the full year at least. If we do need to go to A&E or call for an ambulance, what can I expect to happen?
Hoping there might be someone with experiences as an NHS worker or patient who can share what they’ve experienced.

225768 ▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to RBeard, #1249 of 2928 🔗

Nothing new. Party members have always had privileges the masses have been denied. “Nothing is too good … “ etc

225790 ▶▶ Julian, replying to RBeard, 4, #1250 of 2928 🔗

I don’t have any insight into healthcare workers and their attitudes, but anyone posting stuff like “I hope you get covid and die” is not only rude to say the least but is immediately signalling they can’t handle an argument with you because deep down they know their case is weak and you would slaughter them, so they resort to emotionalism and ad hominem attacks.

225792 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to RBeard, 2, #1251 of 2928 🔗

Absolute idiots.

They are angry about Lockdown and all the measures causing staff shortages. They need a scapegoat. Too self absorbed to see the full picture.

225820 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to RBeard, 3, #1252 of 2928 🔗

Tell them that I would gladly forgo hospital treatment for Covid, but that since they were throwing so many people out of employment they should in all fairness give up their job and claim benefits. See if they think that’s a fair exchange.

225865 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to RBeard, 1, #1253 of 2928 🔗

From my point of view as a practitioner in primary care, if you need A&E then you need A&E, be it for a broken leg, chest pain or some other potentially life threatening illness or injury. If you need an ambulance call 999, but be prepared to wait, they categorise according to need; priority 1 is immediate life threatening( not breathing, no pulse for example); priority 2 is serious but not immediately life threatening; priority 3 are for less serious illness/injury. I can’t remember the timescales for each priority.
If you are unwell enough to need A&E but are able to get someone to take you then that may be the quicker option, bearing in mind that if you deteriorate then you can still call 999.

225872 ▶▶ Brian Bond, replying to RBeard, 3, #1254 of 2928 🔗

My wife works at our local DGH and, from her feedback, there seems to be a high level of scepticism, especially among the clinical staff (esp. doctors), coupled with increasing exasperation with waiting for the ‘surge’ that they were told, some 2 months ago, was coming.

Two anecdotes:

Firstly back in early April she reported on the derision expressed by her colleagues towards people wearing surgical masks when shopping – “what’s the point, they don’t help?”

Secondly, only last week a senior anaesthetist loudly opined “the government should be happy now that they have achieved what they always wanted – herd immunity!”

The hospital is not yet at the usual ‘winter pressures’ capacity. No surprise there.

226116 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to RBeard, 1, #1255 of 2928 🔗

77th Brigade sounds like.

226248 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to RBeard, #1256 of 2928 🔗

Just a small point but valid. I was guilt tripped by a family member for not wearing a mask in a shop. I said that as there was no evidence they work I was equally at risk of infection from mask wearers.

I’ve managed to attend 3 NHS appointments without a mask but was offered a visor at one. I used to work in A/E and we had to deal with some pretty anti social behaviour from patients & relatives ( don’t ask!) so if they are wearing PPE themselves it should be fine.

225753 PoshPanic, 7, #1257 of 2928 🔗

Saturday nights takeaway, was one of the most blatant attempts of trying to blind by psuedoscience, that we’ve ever seen.

225755 Smileits1984, replying to Smileits1984, 4, #1258 of 2928 🔗

I bet todays deaths will top 500. That’s because Yesterday and Monday had halved from around 300. So todays will be around 300+300. Another fiddled stat that will get the media in hysterics and help push through lockdown on Wednesday

225795 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Smileits1984, 1, #1259 of 2928 🔗

Guaranteed. It’s tbe rinse and repeat show

225801 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Smileits1984, 1, #1260 of 2928 🔗

Tuesday is always high. It’s a catch up day.

225814 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Smileits1984, 3, #1261 of 2928 🔗

I’ll join you in that bet. Deaths have risen 200% overnight! Panic!

225834 ▶▶ Brian Bond, replying to Smileits1984, 1, #1262 of 2928 🔗

Well you don’t expect journalists and politicians to understand what a “7-day moving average” means, do you? No, it’s complex maths to them, needs an “expert” to explain (how to add 7 numbers and divide the total by 7)!

226125 ▶▶ Smileits1984, replying to Smileits1984, #1263 of 2928 🔗

Yest and Sunday I meant

225763 paul, replying to paul, #1264 of 2928 🔗

faroe islands in july, singing in the street, no lockdown, no covid: https://www.instagram.com/p/CHIREDjB-Jm/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

225797 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to paul, #1265 of 2928 🔗

They’ve had plenty of Covid. And test more people than anywhere on the planet per head of population

225771 John Galt, 1, #1266 of 2928 🔗
225776 JHuntz, replying to JHuntz, 6, #1267 of 2928 🔗

So we face a risk so great and so terrifying that we can wait 5 days from Boris’s address to ‘enact’ the necessary measures. A risk so great that Scotland can wait until, and only if, we receive the necessary free puggy. How do people swallow this guff?

225779 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to JHuntz, 8, #1268 of 2928 🔗

The delay to 5th November is to mock and humiliate the British people even further, nothing more. Job done.

225788 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Richard O, 3, #1269 of 2928 🔗

Exactly – why not the 4th or the 6th?

225810 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Richard O, 3, #1270 of 2928 🔗

It’s like waiting on death row, the clock ticking inexorably onwards.

225826 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1271 of 2928 🔗

Agreed. All of us on here have already been sentenced to death.

I’d like to think that one day we will look back on this time with pride that we were in the tiny minority on the right side of history, but I’m afraid that the state of humanity in the aggregate is so wretched that our destiny is mass cremation pits.

225837 ▶▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Richard O, 3, #1272 of 2928 🔗

Are you sure it’s not so somebody can get the gunpowder in position?

225857 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Richard O, #1273 of 2928 🔗

Exactly, RO. Someone had a go at government on Nov 5th, so now they are having a go at the people on the same date. Also, the weather is set to pick up a bit, just like in March, when, after pissing down for weeks, it came sunny. Then Bunter popped up on telly the next day, saying “Stay home”.

225915 ▶▶ kf99, replying to JHuntz, 2, #1274 of 2928 🔗

Sturgeon’s position on this is the biggest opening for the opposition for ages. The best Ross can come up with is agreeing with her.

225784 Hampshire Sceptic, 1, #1275 of 2928 🔗

No

225787 JME, replying to JME, 5, #1276 of 2928 🔗

Probably been posted before but if you haven’t watched J H-B’s interviews on You Tube from her Talk Radio show this morning I would strongly recommend them all (even if the two Tories, Jenrick & Leadsom, may cause a dangerous spike in blood pressure!)

225794 ▶▶ Adam, replying to JME, 2, #1277 of 2928 🔗

Jenrick is even more of a blockhead than BoZo or Hancock we must get rid of them

225812 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to JME, 6, #1278 of 2928 🔗

Jenrick is the biggest moron I have ever heard. It hadn’t even occurred to him to ask any questions of the models or think about the data, the advice was like tablets of stone for him. I have seen rocks with higher IQs. These morons have to be cleared out of public office.

225840 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to JME, 4, #1279 of 2928 🔗

To summarise Leadsom’s position: “I believe the government, regardless of the evidence.”

225793 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 9, #1281 of 2928 🔗

Let me get this straight.

Latest ONS weekly hospital deaths for England and Wales were 14 deaths above the five year average.

So we are going to lock down the whole country.

This virus is of pandemic status, still, but hospital deaths are bang on the five year average?

Stark raving bonkers!

225818 ▶▶ OpenYourEyes, replying to Tim Bidie, 4, #1282 of 2928 🔗

Bare in mind the population has increased and aged over the five year period, so it actually reflects an upward trend in life expectancy.

225873 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Tim Bidie, #1283 of 2928 🔗

But that’s the thing with averages, sometimes the data is higher and sometimes lower.

225907 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Tim Bidie, 1, #1284 of 2928 🔗

14 deaths above the five year average.”

Oh … it’s worse than that. Have a look at how far it’s below the 27-year average when you adjust for population.

225798 Lucan Grey, #1285 of 2928 🔗

“” A Lockdown Sceptics reader has created a petition calling on the Government to publish the modelling that says deaths will reach 4,000/day. Sign it here .”

Why isn’t it on the parliament petitions website where the government has to respond to it?

https://petition.parliament.uk

225808 kh1485, 7, #1286 of 2928 🔗

Blimey, our world leader punter tally is increasing. Just now:

Victor Orban’s details on the Trap n Trace!

225819 Sarigan, 1, #1287 of 2928 🔗

South Oxfordshire deaths:

Deaths within 28 days of positive test
Daily 0
Daily number of deaths within 28 days of first positive test, reported on Monday, 2 November 2020.

Total 69

Total number of deaths within 28 days of first positive test, reported up to Monday, 2 November 2020.

Weekly 0

Weekly number of deaths where COVID-19 is mentioned as a cause on the death certificate, registered during the week ending Friday, 16 October 2020.

Total 120

Some very strange figure in the Weekly deaths with COVID-19 on the death certificate by date registered chart :

225823 JustMe, replying to JustMe, #1288 of 2928 🔗
225829 ▶▶ FenTyger, replying to JustMe, 1, #1289 of 2928 🔗

Synthetic

225832 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to JustMe, 3, #1290 of 2928 🔗

Psychopathy. Or he is not human.

225833 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to JustMe, #1291 of 2928 🔗

I’m going out now so I don’t have to even think about how I’m at home not watching it.

225843 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to JustMe, 5, #1292 of 2928 🔗

If you slow it down you can see the third eyelid slip across 😉

225844 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to JustMe, 1, #1293 of 2928 🔗

They are both relaxed and completely secure in their position.

225867 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to JustMe, 1, #1294 of 2928 🔗

They have given no hard figures so far. All woolly fluffy qualative nonsense.

225913 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to TheBluePill, #1295 of 2928 🔗

Also, getting a very easy time of it.

When they talk about the costs of their policies they defer to the government. But every time some balance is struck by government SAGE members are running to the press shouting we are all gonna die.

225894 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to JustMe, #1296 of 2928 🔗

Basically they can’t predict where cases are going so they have to go with a doom laden model because its better to be wrong.

There is no recognition of how wrong they’ve been

225831 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #1297 of 2928 🔗

On the first “rest day” of the Vuelta approximately seven hundred people were tested for the coronavirus. None of the tests were positive. On the second “rest day” the tests were again all negative. Fourteen hundred tests and not one positive result. I cannot but wonder how the race organisers solved the false positive problem. Does anyone know?

225856 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #1298 of 2928 🔗

https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2020/09/23/bjsports-2020-103150

The Budesliga Protocol has been reviewed here. Worth a read.

As we’ve been saying since the start PCR simply cannot be used for mass screening. It needs multiple tests, lower CTs and clinical diagnosis to infer an infection.

Elite athletes are too valuable to just schwab and go

225902 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1299 of 2928 🔗

Yet in the study, they were regularly testing over seventeen hundred people and they only had twelve positive PCR results, which is way below even the most generous estimate of the false positive rate (0.8%).

225858 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #1300 of 2928 🔗

Which test and what cycle threshold was used?

225893 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Tim Bidie, #1301 of 2928 🔗

I do not know. The race organisers did not publish the details.

225962 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Steve Hayes, #1302 of 2928 🔗

Well there you go. It would have to be a more structured and in depth analysis of infection. Same as Bundesliga and NFL.

They are using a different system, probably with more controlled processes, not using parking attendants come medical test bots in car parks.

This article talks about medical professionals achieving only 33% schwab accuracy

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.10.19.20213140v1

False positives can occur from all manner of sources.

225863 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Steve Hayes, #1303 of 2928 🔗

Do all countres do the same number of cycles for their PCR tests? A I know the Giro had a lot of probable false positives on their rest day tests including Fernando Gaviria who head been in hospital before with the Virus in March but had no symptoms when tested positive in October.

226188 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Mark, #1304 of 2928 🔗

The Giro cannot have had lots of false positive, as it did not have lots of positive results.

225847 CGL, 2, #1305 of 2928 🔗

Every time I read or tell anyone about that little Teddy Robinson, I cry.
THE KIDS – THINK ABOUT THE KIDS!!!!!!!!

225851 Jo, 11, #1306 of 2928 🔗

I’m finding it hard to put into words how I feel about this, but isn’t there something inherently wrong about a group of people (the remain in EU group) trying to prevent another person (Faridge) from forming a group which might turn out to be a political party? So they want to silence him. Says it all really, don’t want someone who proved to be influential to be able to speak. They do not want a democracy so they will be happy with the totalitarian regime we are becoming. (I voted remain and I don’t like NF – but of course will vote for him if he stands against the evil and the puppets)

225855 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 19, #1307 of 2928 🔗

Little things mean a lot.

Walked into Otley today for some light shopping. Popped into Teales (cash only–which gives them brownie points in my book!) for some bread rolls and was served by a lovely lady who I’ve never met before. Of course I’m unmasked and this appearance seems to give like minded people a lead in to express their views. Well, could I hold her back? like as hell I could!… ‘It’s all a scam, It’s a pandemic of hysteria, how can people be so stupid? those masks are so unhealthy’, were just a few of her undiluted comments. She said that she tried to talk to as many people as possible to try to get them to see the light but ‘You have to be very careful don’t you’? She also said that she had a relative who worked in the health service who told her just how much of a scam it all was. I mentioned Lock down sceptics so who knows? we may have another viewer. .

Went round to Sainsburys to enquire about a lanyard for someone else I’ve been working on. The chap I asked couldn’t have been more helpful and gave me one with enthusiasm. Whilst there are more people walking around town with masks, I’ve noticed a very big uptake in Lanyards which leads me to the optimistic view that the more people who become aware of them the greater the uptake. I was in two minds about lanyards myself and won’t wear one but I’m now of the opinion that the more lanyards the less masks and the less effective the nasty, controlling edict of wearing one becomes.

As I said at the start………….’Little things mean a lot’ these days.

225870 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #1308 of 2928 🔗

I’m still the only lanyard wearer here, but I keep hoping to spot a few more.

225871 ▶▶ dorset dumpling, replying to Harry hopkins, #1309 of 2928 🔗

Your mention of cash only reminded me that my OH was told that in a closing down Edinburgh Woolen Mill shop this morning. Apparently they’ve been having problems with their card machine for days now and have had to go to cash only. Wonder if it will hasten their closure?

225888 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to dorset dumpling, #1310 of 2928 🔗

Cashless zealots argument: “but if the card machine goes down they won’t be able to take cash either – it’s all the same system”. NOT true of course, my local giant Asda was cash only one morning a year or so back

225945 ▶▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to kf99, 2, #1311 of 2928 🔗

I think the ‘cashless zealots’ have a bigger challenge on their hands than they realise. Consider this:

*There are still around 1.2 million adults in the UK without a bank account.

*Doubtless, these will be included in the fig of 9 million adults in the UK who are classed as functionally illiterate.

*Also, there are many more who, whilst being literate, are technophobic and the use of computers, smart phones and technology in general is a foreign land to them, (I have an elderly neighbour who still struggles to operate his VHS recorder).

A cashless society is the dream of those who would have us under servitude, but with a realistic assessment of our population, as it stands, it’s some way off yet.

225878 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Harry hopkins, 2, #1312 of 2928 🔗

I’ve got a pin badge from Etsy which people have noticed and asked me about. At first I was opposed to wear sth but it makes life easier for others. It is no quite as obvious as a sunflower lanyard, but works well.

226179 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #1313 of 2928 🔗

Yes so true, my days go up and down according to how many masked people I have to look at. I don’t wear a mask or lanyard and went to my local charity shop today. I’m always on tenterhooks. The staff were nice & chatty & no questions. Mood up. On my way home I saw two cyclists with masks on. Mood down.

226346 ▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Marialta, #1314 of 2928 🔗

Marialta…….Low moods are entirely normal for those of us who feel totally alienated by what is going on around us day in and day out. If you are sceptical about this whole scamdemic and identify masks with bandits and criminals—not to mention the health hazards of prolonged mask wearing— how could you not feel out of sorts? Wearing a mask is not normal!!…which is why the small positives I see and interact with give me hope and pleasure which may seem out of all proportion to the actual events themselves.
It’s not easy going against the crowd but the ‘crowd’–or at least many of them– are suffering from a mass hysteria which you are not party to.
Look at it this way—if you didn’t feel low moods then you would be entirely comfortable with what is going on and you really wouldn’t want that would you? You are one of us fortunate enough to be resistant to the brain washing techniques that are thrust down our throats day in and day out. Nobody said it would be easy but rest assured you are one of the good guys.

226440 ▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #1315 of 2928 🔗

Thanks, a few kind words help.. I will never ever give in to this BS but I’m becoming more and more isolated as friends are coming out as believers.

225859 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 7, #1316 of 2928 🔗

https://thecritic.co.uk/lockdowns-dont-work/

Terrific photos of Recovery’s installations in London.

225916 ▶▶ Julian, replying to wendyk, 3, #1317 of 2928 🔗

Yes, they look to have a decent budget – hopefully some wealthy backers. With judicious choice of what message to pitch to whom, with intelligent people steering it, and the funds to back it, the potential for counteracting the biggest peacetime propaganda campaign we have ever seen in peacetime is huge

225866 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 6, #1318 of 2928 🔗

Whitty and Vallance talking gobbledegook. Whitty: “Epidemics are always doubling or halving.”

Claiming in defence of the bogus figures that they are what will happen if we do nothing…but then saying people are already doing things snd that’s changing the figures. .er what

Whitty BSing about tiers impact. Had an effect, can’t quantify it – but can quantify effect of not doing anything!

They bullshitted about hospitalisations. Check their definitions! What does hospitalisation mean?

225875 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to OKUK, 13, #1319 of 2928 🔗

I am listening too. Witty is talking total bollocks and the chair isn’t happy. He says being able to predict deaths would require an “extraordinary level of certainty” which we don’t have…yer right, bollocks, also they have not factored in the current data gathered since Oct 7th into the new predictions. He is saying that yer there is nothing happening yet really but it will do…honest.

He keeps swallowing nervously. He is being very evasive and desperately trying to cover he sorry lying puny arse.

i can’t wait to see this shit show dissected under a bright light.

They are lying their arses off.

225884 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Two-Six, 6, #1320 of 2928 🔗

Sounds like Whitty is approaching peak Strangelove. Has his arm started flying up into a stiff salute yet?

225879 ▶▶ Morse, replying to OKUK, 7, #1321 of 2928 🔗

Lying now about the data, can you get the data…it’s not mine to give? WTF.

I tell you now these two chumps are being hung out to dry big time. Digging themselves into a huge hole.

Absolute garbage coming out.

225903 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to OKUK, 5, #1322 of 2928 🔗

So if I double 2 and then halve it that is 2. I’m back to square 1 or square 2

225869 JuttaW, replying to JuttaW, 3, #1323 of 2928 🔗

it is strange, but sometimes I feel we are whining on a high level. Made me think of the natives all over the globe, how they must have felt, when the hords of europeans invaded their land, threathing them with our weapons, infecting them with all sorts of deseases, made them slaves on their own ground. Maybe there are allways some bills to be paid. I’m not religious, but I just wondered.

225876 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to JuttaW, 1, #1324 of 2928 🔗

I’m sure the Chinese have never forgiven the British for the Opium Wars, and why should they?

We have very few friends anywhere in the world, so I suspect that most will be indifferent to observe this island turned into an impoverished gulag quarantined from the rest of humanity.

225885 ▶▶▶ JuttaW, replying to Richard O, #1325 of 2928 🔗

well we germans are not better off. But anyway all of the european countries took part in those crimes.

225914 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to JuttaW, 2, #1326 of 2928 🔗

I have visited Germany many times, and have always been astonished at what your nation went through in the 20th century (empire, First World War, division/loss of territory, reparations, social/political/economic collapse, totalitarian fascist dictatorship, Second World War, occupation, partition, Communism, reunification) yet still recovered from to become the richest and most influential in Europe.

225964 ▶▶▶▶▶ JuttaW, replying to Richard O, 1, #1327 of 2928 🔗

I donno, maybe there where forces who wanted it to be like that. I always wondered how we managed, taking into account the masses of compensation G has paid since 45 and still does. Plus the unification which was dearly bought. well, we’re being off-topic ;o))

225992 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to JuttaW, #1328 of 2928 🔗

Not really off topic if Deutschland falls to the Covid Cult. Surviving all of that bullshit in the 20th century for absolutely nothing.

226036 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JuttaW, replying to Richard O, 3, #1329 of 2928 🔗

well not quite, here in the great Frankfurt aera everything seems as normal. You don’t see many masks outside. Just the closing of small businesses and restaurants. Lots of demonstrations going on all over the place. Doctors and lawers taking legal actions etc.
To be honest, the last 75years, exactly my age, we have lived in a very peaceful time in Europe, for which I’m really grateful to have had the privilege to live in those times. The big bang was foreseeable since more than 20y. I feel sorry for our children, the younger generation in general. Nevertheless I will stay optimistic that the just forces will win!

225882 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, #1330 of 2928 🔗

Just watching this country’s Chief Medical Officer responding to questions from the Science and Technology committee:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8BEyPzHsVo

225909 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Tim Bidie, 4, #1331 of 2928 🔗

I started watching but waffling was all I heard.

225883 peyrole, replying to peyrole, 4, #1332 of 2928 🔗

The defence put forward by Whitty and Vallance is that the overall ‘infection’ rates may be levelling off or going down , but they have seen no reductions, still increases in rates amongst the older age groups most at rest.
All so polite, no-one is really demanding the data and when they do Vallance in particular says its difficult to publicise this , even though he is relying on it.
Also no-one has stated the obvious, if its the elderly he is bothered about then the concept of protecting them and letting everyone get on with their lives is supported by what he has said. They get lost in meaningless ‘R’ debates across age groups.
They have clearly been well rehearsed in ‘bull shit baffles brains’, although its difficult to see too many brains on view.

225886 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to peyrole, #1333 of 2928 🔗

rest=risk

225895 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to peyrole, 3, #1334 of 2928 🔗

Having talked up the R rate, they are now saying but doesn’t matter, it’s how many old people are infected.

225925 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to OKUK, 1, #1335 of 2928 🔗

But when Stringer pushed them on that they backtracked!

226171 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to peyrole, #1336 of 2928 🔗

Interesting bullshit from the pair. However, they need to say that the NHS is refusing to admit the elderly to hospital, GPs have stopped visiting them and DNR notices are being dished out liberally without their consent or knowledge. There are many preventable deaths among the elderly as the GP on here wrote about two days ago. How dare they now claim they aren’t seeing a drop in this age group. The bloody NHS are at fault here.

225887 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 6, #1337 of 2928 🔗

Whitty mentioned the figure of 10000 hospitalisations. Sounds scary.

Graham Stringer skewering liar Vallance on the bogus 4000 deaths per day bollox graph.

225924 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to OKUK, 1, #1338 of 2928 🔗

Sounds scary but it means one person out of a town of 6500.

225892 Jo, replying to Jo, 3, #1339 of 2928 🔗

I live in a village where a lot of people are wealthy, in varying degrees. After I put up a poster, which was quickly taken down, I wondered who had done this and thought of two potential candidates. I have thought about how I would make a brief not too provocative set of comments about why I am against lockdown. Then I thought – with these individuals and plenty of other people I know – the only argument they would listen to would concern the threat to their own personal wealth.
Does anyone have any ideas regarding a convincing argument which would lead to people at least considering that their savings etc will be taken from them at some point in the not too distant future? Guardian article about UBI might be the start?

225898 ▶▶ VickyA, replying to Jo, 1, #1340 of 2928 🔗
225921 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to Jo, 3, #1343 of 2928 🔗

The only way the UK can pay for this is by the devaluation of its currency by letting inflation go a lot higher. This will make a difference to their cost of living. Negative Interest rates are being signalled by the BoE, indeed ECB are talking about -ve digi Euros held by the central banks. If this is duplicated by BoE , annually their salaries/pensions could be reduced by say 3% if the BoE converted ‘cash’ to DigiGBP at 97%.
This is all ‘mainstream’ and now likely. More controversial of course is the ‘great reset’ and loss of private property etc.

225899 Darryl, 6, #1344 of 2928 🔗

I hadn’t herd of Aaron Russo who died back in 2007. Apparently he was as a film producer and director.

There is an interesting interview with him where he talks about being friends with one of the Rockefeller family and talking about how their longterm aim was to get the masses microchipped, socially engineered and controlled under a new political system and this was before 2000. Looks like the Rockefeller Foundation plan is moving to reality. Funny how ‘conspiracies’ come true. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSGZ4Hkdyg4&t=4955s

225904 OKUK, 3, #1346 of 2928 🔗

Both Clarke and Stringer better than I expected.

225906 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 8, #1347 of 2928 🔗

Witty just said that one of the main things on the pro lockdown side of “The Equation” is a decrease in CO2 pollution. He didn’t really factor in anything else…funny that.

225919 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Two-Six, 5, #1348 of 2928 🔗

Carbon dioxide is not pollution.

225926 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #1349 of 2928 🔗

Correct in physical reality, but has been defined in legislation as ‘pollution’ by Obama and others.
CO2 is essential to all life. If anyone is still unclear about this issue, please refer here
https://www.beautyandthebeastlytruth.com/

225936 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Rosie, 2, #1350 of 2928 🔗

Whitty is not the US’s Chief Medical Officer, he is the UK’s, so US legislation is hardly pertinent. Moreover, as even Canute knew, one cannot legislate to make the nature other than it is.

226212 ▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Rosie, #1351 of 2928 🔗

Yes CO2 is a fertiliser. In fact the raised levels of CO2 are making the planet greener.

225920 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Two-Six, 9, #1352 of 2928 🔗

omg
I’ve been saying for some time that co2 is a proxy for all activity, industrial economic and social.
IE. when they say they want to cut co2 emissions, what they mean is that they want to cut all human activity.

225933 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Rosie, 4, #1353 of 2928 🔗

Or humans.

225923 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Two-Six, 3, #1354 of 2928 🔗

WOW

225970 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Two-Six, #1355 of 2928 🔗

Followed by an increase in CO2 from the increased use of cars now that buses and trains are unusable for a large proportion of the non-London population.

225910 bluemoon, replying to bluemoon, 4, #1356 of 2928 🔗

I’ve been sending short and pointed emails to my local conservative MP.
Today I can’t send one because a message pops up saying, this email address appears to be invalid.
The coward, he’s switched it off!!

225948 ▶▶ Jo, replying to bluemoon, #1357 of 2928 🔗

Potentially good sign?

226055 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Jo, #1358 of 2928 🔗

Hope so, no doubt inundated with blunt Cornish comments. But probably an indication that he prefers pseudoscience to facts.

226046 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to bluemoon, #1359 of 2928 🔗

ha ha

225911 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #1360 of 2928 🔗

“Italy has allegedly discovered covid is not a virus, but a bacterium. It clots the blood and reduces the oxygen saturation from dispersing throughout the body.” “[Italy] started using aspirin 100mg and a coagulant medication. And have had immense success. 14,000 people were released from the hospital as healthy and covid free.” Full Fact

225922 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #1361 of 2928 🔗

Have you got a link for this?

225931 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Richard O, 1, #1362 of 2928 🔗
225930 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #1363 of 2928 🔗

This is an old story ( June) and totally debunked.

225942 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to peyrole, #1364 of 2928 🔗

Covid-19 has been debunked also, but billions still believe.

225960 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to peyrole, 2, #1365 of 2928 🔗

None of these things can have been ‘totally debunked’ when there is no proper debate and little truth from govs or media.

226131 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Dan Clarke, #1366 of 2928 🔗

The investigation by Bobby Rajesh Malhotra hypothesises it never was: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1321188173913927680.html

225912 Rosie, replying to Rosie, 2, #1367 of 2928 🔗

Tomorrow.
I have leaflets and can travel easily to St Pancras, London Bridge, Charing Cross.
Anyone free to join me?

225946 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Rosie, 1, #1368 of 2928 🔗

Rosie, What do the leaflets say and is it emailable. I wondered whether I could print some myself.

225969 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Stephanos, 1, #1369 of 2928 🔗

Yes I’ve put the PDF here. This will print one at a time but I’ve not got the skill to place them two on a page for easy printing. Will ask my contact if he can, but he’s very unwell so no guarantee will be today.
https://www.beautyandthebeastlytruth.com/post/covid-rules-sayno-use-this-to-print-your-own-leaflet
Just in case – you have to download the PDF to your own computer and then forward it from there 🙂
You probably know that already!

225953 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Rosie, 1, #1370 of 2928 🔗

Let me know when you are going to be there and I will come and say hello.I work 2 min away from London bridge.

225973 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Thomas_E, #1371 of 2928 🔗

Great. I’ll aim for 10.30am. Any use?
Contact me here
https://www.beautyandthebeastlytruth.com/contact-us

225994 ▶▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Rosie, 1, #1372 of 2928 🔗

Cool..will come by LdnBrg after my meeting and get some posters for my office..

226012 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Thomas_E, #1373 of 2928 🔗

WHich exit?
Would Tooley St near Hay’s Galleria be good?

226057 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Rosie, #1374 of 2928 🔗

The main one ..the one by the Shard towards the News building..

226067 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Thomas_E, #1375 of 2928 🔗

Fine 🙂
Middle-aged, ex-blond, long skirt

225927 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 6, #1376 of 2928 🔗

Griffiths tearing Vallance apart.

225929 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to OKUK, 5, #1377 of 2928 🔗

Thanks. Please keep the reports coming

225932 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 9, #1378 of 2928 🔗

At last MPS doing their job…and doing the media’s job for them.

225949 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to OKUK, 6, #1379 of 2928 🔗

They need Julia HB to coach them on following through, though. They are allowing themselves to be too easily fobbed off.

226127 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to OKUK, #1380 of 2928 🔗

I would imagine they’ve probably been bombarded with emails and letters from their constituents and are actually listening for once

225934 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 3, #1381 of 2928 🔗

Witty just said that the death yesterday and for today will be “artificially high or low”…whatever, also they have not released an explainer of the the graph of doom to MP’s or cabinet ministers YET, and today is almost over and they vote tomorrow..MP fucknugget is not happy.

225940 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 7, #1382 of 2928 🔗

The difference between 1000 and 4000 deaths per day is “immaterial” according to Shitty Witty
The mortality rate might have halved….or it might not have we really can’t say says Witty Jeremy HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHunt is having a go now. Calling out the death predictions.

225974 ▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Two-Six, 4, #1383 of 2928 🔗

To paraphrase or even misquote Stalin: 1000 deaths is unfortunate, 4000 is a statistic.

225947 Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 8, #1384 of 2928 🔗

Wow. Jeremy Hunt – thanks – you have skewered Whitty on ‘halving’ rate of deaths in hospital!

225952 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 7, #1385 of 2928 🔗

Fuck me, you know they are toast if hunt can tie them up in knots

225954 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to TheBluePill, 7, #1386 of 2928 🔗

He has skewered them again on another chart – and what David Spiegelhalter has said about it. It is a slow-motion car crash!

225958 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #1387 of 2928 🔗

ooooh Jeremy! I’ve underestimated you!

225963 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #1388 of 2928 🔗

We’ve got Dawn Butler next. Let see if even that giant intellect can corner them.

225988 ▶▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to TheBluePill, #1389 of 2928 🔗

Nope, maybe not. Total waste of oxygen as per usual.

225967 ▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #1390 of 2928 🔗

Ditto

225959 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #1391 of 2928 🔗

Vallance attempted to defend his nonsense graphs by resorting to claiming they are scenarios. He only just got through calling them data.

225965 ▶▶ JudgeMental, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #1392 of 2928 🔗

Surprisingly giving them a hard time. Can we see another policy u-turn coming up and being blamed on the scientists bad data.

225957 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 4, #1393 of 2928 🔗

Sir Vaccine is sticking to his dodgey predictions and that they are six weeks old and not updated is JUST FINE he says to Mr HHHHHunt

225978 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1394 of 2928 🔗

Its still too polite, they have to go for the throat.
After this though, will Starmer still vote ‘yes’ or abstain. If its the later there is a chance.

225961 ConstantBees, replying to ConstantBees, 30, #1395 of 2928 🔗

Decided today to write to Keir Starmer as the leader of the Labour Party. I have removed a bit of identifying info, but this is what I sent. The only leverage I have is as a lifelong Labour/Democrat supporter.

I write to you as an immigrant to this country. I came to the United Kingdom in xxx and eventually chose to make it my home. I am now both an American and British citizen, having been naturalised about 10 years ago. I choose to live in this country because I love it and its people.

Over the years, I have voted, first for Democrats, then for Labour. Since I’m in my 60s, that is a lot of elections. I could never consider voting for Republicans or Conservatives because of their apparent lack of concern for ordinary people. I could make a stronger statement, but I will restrain myself. Suffice it to say, that I have always considered myself to be on the political left.

However, I am now in despair with this country because of the government’s hysterical overreaction to the coronavirus. We have seen numerous scandals, including the loss of many care home residents because the government chose to clear the hospitals and put infected patients into care homes. I’m sure you know about the Amnesty International report on this scandal.

The data presented by the government to justify lockdowns has been repeatedly shown to be incorrect, and apparently intended to frighten the public into compliance with harsh measures, including the destruction of thousands of legally-operated businesses and millions of jobs. The most recent data presented is scandalous – 4000 people have not died per day in any country in the world from COVID. It’s shocking that this is allowed to stand unchallenged by the opposition.

Our civil liberties have been taken away. We are no longer free to associate with family and friends, as if we are small children that must be shepherded through life. From Thursday, we will not be allowed to travel overnight. We no longer have adequate access to healthcare. The increased number of mental health issues and suicides has been especially disturbing, especially children and university students.

I have written to my own MP on numerous occasions, but I live in a Tory safe seat, so I am ignored. I am now writing to you as the leader of the Labour party. I would like to continue to support Labour in future, but your support of punitive and damaging lockdowns shows a disregard for the effects on the public health and wellbeing. I hope that you will reconsider your position and return to supporting the ordinary working people who have been pushed out of their jobs, their businesses, and some out of their homes, because of an overreaction to a public health issue.

It was quite disturbing recently when I found myself agreeing with Richard Tice of the rebranded Reform UK party since I am not a Brexit supporter. He said “dead economies mean dead people”. That is where we are at.

I hope you will act to stop this new, damaging lockdown and demonstrate real concern for the traditional supporters of the Labour Party. Otherwise I will be forced to reconsider my support of the party.

225975 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to ConstantBees, 7, #1396 of 2928 🔗

An excellent piece of writing.

225990 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Mabel Cow, 4, #1397 of 2928 🔗

Thanks, Mabel. Hopefully other Labour supporters will consider doing something similar.

225987 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to ConstantBees, 15, #1398 of 2928 🔗

ConstantBees, I welcome your support against this awful crime against this country. You and I are at opposite ends of the political spectrum but I think you’ll agree that this problem is above our differences.

When we have fixed this insanity (not if), I will happily buy you a pint, or a cuppa, and will happily disagree with you until the cows come home.

Until then, thank you for speaking up and I welcome you support for this the biggest fight off our lives.

Arnie.

226000 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Arnie, 20, #1399 of 2928 🔗

This is exactly what I like about the people commenting on this site. We are from all sorts of political homes, but our feelings about this situation will bind us no matter what. Everything else pales in significance. Nothing is more important than our liberty.

226075 ▶▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to CGL, 3, #1400 of 2928 🔗

100%.

226103 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to CGL, 3, #1401 of 2928 🔗

As a child in America, we were always told that Patrick Henry said, “Give me liberty, or give me death”. While I love Britain, I am still an American as well.

226001 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Arnie, 9, #1402 of 2928 🔗

Thanks, Arnie. Much appreciated. All I can do is put my heart into it. I do love this country even if I am a solitary old bugger.

However, I just renewed my American passport and have to consider my options. I do not want to leave this country- the thought of going cuts like a knife, but I will have freedom if it is still possible anywhere. I want it here and will fight with you all for as long as I can.

226010 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to ConstantBees, 4, #1403 of 2928 🔗

Thank you from the bottom of my heart

226022 ▶▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Rosie, 4, #1404 of 2928 🔗

Thank you, Rosie. I hope more Labour supporters will put pressure on them.

226130 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Arnie, 4, #1405 of 2928 🔗

Another thought, Arnie. If nothing else, this situation may help many of us finally find a way past all the, well, honestly now it seems like bickering that we’ve all done over the past 20 years or so. There are things more important than who is the President of the United States or whether I’m a “libtard” or all the other causes or words we’ve fought over.

I come from the fundamental position that all human beings are created equal. That is fundamental to the American perspective. What you do with that depends in part on your circumstances and on your own initiative. But we are all human with an inalienable right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness – that is my inner American speaking but perhaps you all can relate.

I did not vote in the American election today. I have always voted for Democrats but I could not vote for a national mask mandate or national lockdown. Perhaps that demonstrates my commitment more than anything.

226204 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Arnie, #1406 of 2928 🔗

I’d love to join you both!

226041 ▶▶ Sir Roderick Spode, replying to ConstantBees, 4, #1407 of 2928 🔗

Starmer is my local MP- have written to him several times- you either get no reply or occasionally some drivel from a 12 year old Research Assistant-excellent letter .

226109 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Sir Roderick Spode, 1, #1408 of 2928 🔗

Thank you, Sir Roderick.

I wrote to his address as leader of the Labour Party, leader@labour.org.uk , not the constituency address.

My MP is Tobias Ellwood. He does occasionally reply but it does not improve my outlook when he does.

226087 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to ConstantBees, 2, #1409 of 2928 🔗

A very fine letter, I think.

226091 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Alethea, #1410 of 2928 🔗

Thank you, Alethea. I hope it helps in some tiny measure.

226088 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to ConstantBees, 1, #1411 of 2928 🔗

Oh, I forgot to say that if any other Labour supporters wish to write to him, send it here: leader@labour.org.uk . That’s his address as party leader, as opposed to his constituency address. Please write if you feel so moved.

226201 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to ConstantBees, 1, #1412 of 2928 🔗

Stalin Starmer however, isn’t interested in providing any opposition to anything as his track record as LOTO is actually showing. He’s an establishment man through and through. He hasn’t a moral principle in his body or his head. Charles Baker, Desmond Swayne and other Tory MPs have got the courage to challenge the chronic curtailment of our civil liberties. Starmer, a Human Rights Lawyer isn’t remotely interested.

225966 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #1413 of 2928 🔗

Watching the grilling.
Witless covering his back for all he’s worth. “I’d like to make it clear that I’ve never …..”
&unt seems to be making them wriggle.

https://www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/8bbb6325-cbfe-4025-9be9-5f50bc220c73

225972 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1414 of 2928 🔗

He’s getting twitchy!
But why does he think that people only get tested when they are symptomatic?

225981 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #1415 of 2928 🔗

He’s thick?

225976 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #1416 of 2928 🔗

They are talking about test n trace being useless now “IT” is so prevalent and that it is not managing to cause people to isolate properly. SO its official it’s crap and doesn’t work. Even in “Europe” where they have very much better test n track…..SAGE have said it doesn’t work and Twitty agrees with them…kind of.

225982 ▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1417 of 2928 🔗

Both doing the “slope shoulder” thing.

225968 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 14, #1418 of 2928 🔗

Hunt more negative and inquisitive than I expected. Whitty now basically admitting the billion pound test and trace system does nothing much now.

225971 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to OKUK, 6, #1419 of 2928 🔗

Has Jeremy been replaced by a shape shifter?

225986 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to OKUK, 5, #1420 of 2928 🔗

Yes I had to double check that it was actually him as I thought it was an imposter as he actually asked intelligent questions.

225997 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to OKUK, 2, #1421 of 2928 🔗

This is the same Jeremy Hunt who was the Health Secretary when Exercise Cygnus concluded that in the event of a pandemic (which happen roughly every decade) the NHS would be overwhelmed. Instead of increasing NHS capacity, legislation was drafted that became the Coronavirus Act 2020, which provides for government by ministerial decree (see esp. Part 2 Section 90).

225977 Richard Brooks, replying to Richard Brooks, 9, #1422 of 2928 🔗

https://www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/8bbb6325-cbfe-4025-9be9-5f50bc220c73 at 15:21:14

Chris Whitty “Numbers of Deaths have been going up steadily” and “this is an exponential curve”

Someone is going to have to explain that to me or that the two cannot both be true to him!

226007 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Richard Brooks, 4, #1423 of 2928 🔗

He cannot but know that what he said is false. As far as I am concerned that proves he is being dishonest.

226166 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Richard Brooks, 2, #1424 of 2928 🔗

When my students describe a graph as, ‘going up steadily’ they get zero marks.

225979 chris, replying to chris, 15, #1425 of 2928 🔗

Is Boris the first PM to have committed COUNTRYCIDE ?

225985 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to chris, 2, #1426 of 2928 🔗

Even Butler’s doing not too badly.

225993 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to chris, 4, #1427 of 2928 🔗

I wonder where he will fit in on the mass murderer scale? He’s not Pol Pot just yet but I think we are definitely heading towards Holocaust figures in the next ten years…

226006 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Arnie, 1, #1428 of 2928 🔗

You’re not in London are you??

226071 ▶▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Rosie, #1429 of 2928 🔗

Rosie, no why? Arnie.

226244 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Arnie, 2, #1430 of 2928 🔗

Going to be in central London tomorrow with leaflets. Would have been good to do it with you. For whatever reason, your comments especially give me a sense of inner strength.

225980 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 10, #1431 of 2928 🔗

There’s been a lot of blushing from W and V as their ignorance, memory lapses and dodgy presentation tactics have been exposed.

226040 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to OKUK, 3, #1432 of 2928 🔗

Any chance they will get a question about 40-45 cycles being used for the PCR test processing (i.e. the results are meaningless as a driver for public policy)?

225983 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1433 of 2928 🔗

Who’s the thicko who wants to ramp up testing??

225989 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1434 of 2928 🔗

500000 tests a day!

Baroness Scaremonger

225996 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Two-Six, #1435 of 2928 🔗

Thanks. Baroness Dangerous Thicko!

226003 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Cheezilla, 8, #1436 of 2928 🔗

Dawn Butler. That’s the quality of the shadow cabinet believe it or not. She has a much more difficult job now. Her previous role was sitting next to Jezza in the commons and nodding her head like the Churchill dog.

226013 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to TheBluePill, 3, #1437 of 2928 🔗

A Diane Abbot wannabee

226077 ▶▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to mjr, 1, #1438 of 2928 🔗

she tries hard to make the abbotopotamus look inttelligent

226018 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to TheBluePill, 3, #1439 of 2928 🔗

And telling us that 99% of giraffes are homosexual.

225991 FenTyger, replying to FenTyger, 11, #1440 of 2928 🔗

I’m sure these two did the graphs telling me that my pension would grow by 500% over ten years. Didn’t fall for that either.

226030 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to FenTyger, 3, #1441 of 2928 🔗

They probably came up with PFI and could also offer you a brilliant time-limited deal on window installation.

225999 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 11, #1442 of 2928 🔗

Whitty now talking bollox abiut shielding. Suddenly worried about mental health! But can’t give an eff about effects of lockdown on mental health.

226009 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to OKUK, 1, #1443 of 2928 🔗

Sir Vaccine just said that the PCR test is very sensitive it has no false negatives BUT it will pick up on people who are not infectious…hummm

226016 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Two-Six, 6, #1444 of 2928 🔗

What fucking liar.

226019 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Two-Six, 4, #1445 of 2928 🔗

They needed a few of our good people to ask them questions – would have been a much tougher inquisition I feel!!!

226443 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Two-Six, #1446 of 2928 🔗

You mean he just told the truth! Or did he say no false positives?

227165 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ewan Duffy, #1447 of 2928 🔗

There was a lot of fudging and waffle about false negatives, which sidelined the false positive issue.

226015 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to OKUK, 9, #1448 of 2928 🔗

yes we have psy-opped and terrified the popluation en mass to induced mass psychosis but we are worried about the mental health of people, especiall with the stay at home message for the elderyly, they should get out for fresh air now and kids need to go to school .
The bastards.

226072 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to OKUK, 2, #1449 of 2928 🔗

equally happy at the reduction in CO2 caused by his cratering of the economy. Its easy to see the direction of travel( which is the actual thing they want to stop)

226264 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to OKUK, #1450 of 2928 🔗

No wonder the new lockdown regulations provide for Support Groups up to 15 people

226004 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 7, #1451 of 2928 🔗

Yay false positives and false negatives! On PCR tests…Vallance wriggling.

226008 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to OKUK, 7, #1452 of 2928 🔗

He’s literally just confirmed it can return false positives!

226017 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Anothersceptic2, 3, #1453 of 2928 🔗

Yep, this won’t be generally known.

226021 ▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to Anothersceptic2, 4, #1454 of 2928 🔗

Yes but he was completely let off the hook. He was allowed to witter on about false negatives. The MP clearly did not know his stuff!

226031 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to peyrole, 4, #1455 of 2928 🔗

On the other hand, the more false negatives there are, the less the IFR is and the less any of this fucking MATTERS so who cares?

226011 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to OKUK, 11, #1456 of 2928 🔗

Whitty scratching nose when lying on PCR tests.

226068 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to OKUK, 2, #1457 of 2928 🔗

Yes, saw that – it’s a tell!

226052 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to OKUK, 8, #1458 of 2928 🔗

Just got this from my shared office building:

During this time, the following additional measures will be put in place which will include:

•                    Our cleaner will be coming to the office 3 times a week
•                    Staff wiping down surfaces hourly
•                    Masks to be worn upon entering the building and in the communal areas
•                    Extra hand sanitiser and anti bac wipes placed around the office
No deliveries will be accepted
•                    No walk-ins

All of it madness but no deliveries? They will still accept post though.

Needless to say, I will not be going into the office, not that there are any holidays to sell anyway.

226005 FenTyger, replying to FenTyger, 1, #1459 of 2928 🔗

FPR question!

226023 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to FenTyger, 5, #1460 of 2928 🔗

we are not required to look at economic impacts at SAGE…..Says Sir Vaccine
responding to MP bumfluff

226028 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Two-Six, 2, #1461 of 2928 🔗

Fair enough. It’s up to the government to take into account what they say, and what the people who live in the actual real world say.

227174 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Two-Six, #1462 of 2928 🔗

Surely economics is as much an exact science than epidemiology?

227311 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Cheezilla, #1463 of 2928 🔗

Or as little.

226024 Jakehadlee, replying to Jakehadlee, 24, #1464 of 2928 🔗

They should ask if they are prepared to resign if their models prove incorrect. If they don’t agree then asked why they think other people should lose their jobs over data they aren’t confident enough of to risk theirs.

226065 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to Jakehadlee, 4, #1465 of 2928 🔗

They dont make the models as they repeatedly announced, they just present them. Though they must be part of the input phase for the case scenarios. Its no better than goats entrails or the Orale for predicting what will happen in 6 weeks. Two weeks is hard enough, so its obviously more akin to weather forecasting.

226097 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Iansn, 3, #1466 of 2928 🔗

If you choose to present a model, in the manner Whitty and Vallance present them, you take responsibility for those models. If not, the implication is that they are making no judgement about the models selected – in which case, I will happily contribute a model that will end this insanity.

227177 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Iansn, #1467 of 2928 🔗

Their key words were: assumptions, predictions and scenarios.
Sums it up really!

226025 Cheezilla, 1, #1468 of 2928 🔗

Disbenefits, he says with a smile.

226027 peyrole, replying to peyrole, 12, #1469 of 2928 🔗

Ah now the wriggle off the hook. We just give health advice oothers make the decisions.
So Johnson, sack them or you should go.

226047 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to peyrole, 3, #1470 of 2928 🔗

they appear to try and shift blame to everyone else

226029 Dan Clarke, 6, #1471 of 2928 🔗

So it sounds as if the economic and the virus assessments are not integrated at all. Then it depends if the economists and Cabinet members can understand what the science has actually said, which they dont seem to.

226035 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 2, #1472 of 2928 🔗

Aaron Bell doing well.

226043 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to OKUK, 4, #1473 of 2928 🔗

Showing how the reasonable worst case scenario is negotiated…clearly internal politics and not “science”.

226037 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #1474 of 2928 🔗

Vallance uses the word “assumption” a lot.
Wasnt it EM Forster who told us to “Never assume!” ?

226042 ▶▶ Kev, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #1475 of 2928 🔗

AssUME, makes an Ass out of U and ME

227179 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Kev, #1476 of 2928 🔗

Well they’ve certainly tried their best and succeeded with a large chunk of the population

226051 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #1477 of 2928 🔗

I reckon William Farr’s dictum is more appropriate in this context :

The death rate is a fact; anything beyond this is an inference”

226044 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 10, #1478 of 2928 🔗

Witty just said “Let us be particularly precautions about our ability to predict”

226058 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Two-Six, 11, #1479 of 2928 🔗

Yet millions of peoples lives will be ruined based on that exact thing!

226045 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #1480 of 2928 🔗

Whitty – has just admitted they’re unable to predict accurately.

226053 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1481 of 2928 🔗

The R “Wants to be at about 3” says Sir Vaccine and that “Some quite difficult measures” have helped being down the R rate….

226073 ▶▶▶ PFD, replying to Two-Six, 3, #1482 of 2928 🔗

If Witty said this then he has just given the game away. He must believe a huge percentage of the population are susceptible and that only NPI’s can control R. This despite all the evidence pointing to a high percentage of innate immunity in the population, hence the initial rapid slow down at the end of March and beginning of April. R(t) was less than 1 before the first lockdown. In essence he is wedded to Ferguson’s model and no amount of empirical data will deter him.

226049 Arnie, replying to Arnie, 19, #1483 of 2928 🔗

Do they realise that if they take everything away from somebody that they then have nothing to lose? Look at how hard the Japanese fought on the war, or how Jihadi’s fight, we will soon be in this position, many hundreds of thousands of us. An army of us. An out of control nothing to lose army. If I was them I’d be very afraid.

226070 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Arnie, 6, #1484 of 2928 🔗

Exactly.

When the people have nothing left to lose, they’ll lose it

226050 Amy, replying to Amy, 13, #1485 of 2928 🔗

This is neither here nor there but wanted to provide a report from my neck of the woods – which is literally in the woods in far northern Michigan. It’s a “more trees than people” sort of place. People put a high value on social interactions because we rely on each other in our harsh climate and isolation.

My husband and I went out to dinner last night at a local tavern and were given a clipboard as soon as we sat down. “Name, address and phone number.” the bartender said, for contact tracing. Apparently there’s a hefty fine for the restaurants if customers make up fake names or provide false phone numbers. This also applies to carry-out orders.

That’s the last restaurant we’re going to be frequenting for a while, I suspect. I’m getting on the phone with the ACLU right now.

226056 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Amy, #1486 of 2928 🔗

Good for you, the ACLU is?

226078 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Rosie, 2, #1487 of 2928 🔗

American Civil Liberties Union

226079 ▶▶▶ Amy, replying to Rosie, #1488 of 2928 🔗

Oh, sorry, the American Civil Liberties Union.

226261 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Rosie, 2, #1489 of 2928 🔗

They fight for people’s right to free speech and freedom in general. They are good at annoying both the left and the right. They’ve supported things like same-sex marriage and the right of the Ku Klux Klan to march.

Quote from them: “It is easy to defend freedom of speech when the message is something many people find at least reasonable. But the defense of freedom of speech is most critical when the message is one most people find repulsive.”

Sounds like we could use a branch here in the UK.

226066 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Amy, 3, #1490 of 2928 🔗

Amy, I hope you tell the resturant the reson.

226155 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Amy, 5, #1491 of 2928 🔗

“More trees than people” Sounds like bliss …

226219 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Amy, 2, #1492 of 2928 🔗

I hear you — the same nonsense where I live. I vowed not to eat at a restaurant but I’m making an exception next week to see my best friend for her birthday. But I’m only in Toronto for one night and then back to my place in the country where we are surrounded by forest as well. The reservation is in her name so I’ll see when I get there whether I have to give mine as well. A few months ago we scribbled illegibly and gave fake phone numbers, but that was before it was mandated by the government. Not sure if restaurants can be fined here or whether I should bother with the fake name and number since I’m heading back to isolation up here anyway. Total nonsense.

226221 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Amy, 2, #1493 of 2928 🔗

Welcome to how things have been in the UK for quite some time..

As I read from someone else in the US, you now need to provide more ID to eat out than to vote in an election….

226255 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Amy, 1, #1494 of 2928 🔗

Apparently there’s a hefty fine for the restaurants if customers make up fake names or provide false phone numbers.

Mmm how can this be verified? – just scaring customers into providing their real details.

226059 court, replying to court, 2, #1495 of 2928 🔗

How do petitions like this one about closing schools and colleges get so much traction? I’ve lost all faith in society.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/550846

226062 ▶▶ calchas, replying to court, 5, #1496 of 2928 🔗

How many teachers are in the country?

226139 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to calchas, #1497 of 2928 🔗

453,813 FTE in England alone in Nov 19 according to gov.uk.
Plus 265,167 teaching assistants.
Haven’t looked at the petition. Are signatories near that number?

226063 ▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to court, 6, #1498 of 2928 🔗

Mass hysteria is a powerful thing

226064 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to court, 3, #1499 of 2928 🔗

That’s just a clear sign of the high level of idiocy the majority of the herd of moron slaves have today!

226080 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Voz 0db, 1, #1500 of 2928 🔗

Covid is like a group hug for the sheep

226101 ▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #1501 of 2928 🔗

or a cross between a comfy pen and an abattoir

226082 ▶▶ DRW, replying to court, 6, #1502 of 2928 🔗

I’d guess many teachers fancy ‘WFH’ again now it’s getting wetter, colder and darker again in the evenings. Plus virtue-posing zealot parents “showing they care”.

226084 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to court, 13, #1503 of 2928 🔗

What a disgrace. There are no recorded cases of pupils infecting teachers. The impact on student progress is huge.

I am a teacher – I am closer to the vulnerable age group than most, but the risk of COVID is a minor hazard in my mind (more likely to trip over a school bag resulting in physical injury!) – we must keep the pupils in school – they are happy to be there and most seem to struggle with being locked up.

226092 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Ozzie, 3, #1504 of 2928 🔗

If the schools close this time, I doubt they will ever reopen.

To be repurposed as quarantine facilities for the likes of us on here.

226132 ▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Richard O, 1, #1505 of 2928 🔗

Richard, are you doing ok?

226246 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to court, 1, #1506 of 2928 🔗

While I hate all this, I would support it if all teachers and faculty were furloughed and put on the same sorry income as the rest of public-facing employees. Actually, I’d prefer it if they were put on UC. I suspect there would be less interest in closing the schools and colleges.

226074 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 7, #1507 of 2928 🔗

Twitty keeps laughing….utter fu…….

226081 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Two-Six, 7, #1508 of 2928 🔗

Just like his mate Bill Gates.

226217 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Richard O, 2, #1509 of 2928 🔗

…who he has a job lined up with when he is no longer CMO. I’m sure he was supposed to move earlier, but I’m guessing he’s been kept on because it is useful to Bill to have an insider steering the course of travel…

226086 ▶▶ Dean, replying to Two-Six, 7, #1510 of 2928 🔗

He’s a fucking slimeball. Peel off that face and you’ll see a lizard no doubt.

226083 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 6, #1511 of 2928 🔗

Watching Sky – already mangling what was said. The Committee proceedings were much better than I expected. They seemed anchored to some sort of reality unlike our wayward Prime Minister. Whitty and Vallance’s performance very poor. Shaky grasp of basic data (eg latest death figures or modelling assumptions). Shifty when it came to explaining the modelling and the reasons why they presented the models in the way they did.

226089 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to OKUK, 5, #1512 of 2928 🔗

They have been on the ropes once or twice, but nobody connected with a knock-out blow. They look more relaxed now, as if they know they have weathered the storm. Yes their numbers were bad, the explanation was poor, but where should the blame lie for using them to lockdown? As they keep saying they just give health advice, humbly, its up to others to make decisions.

226123 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to peyrole, 3, #1513 of 2928 🔗

Yep no knock out blows but more than shadow boxing.

227188 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to peyrole, #1514 of 2928 🔗

Yes the “humbly” was a bit rich!

226120 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to OKUK, 5, #1515 of 2928 🔗

BBC leading on scary Whitty-said stuff in the news (“doubling very quickly”) rather than anything else from the Committee. Looks like the MSM are refusing to air scepticism again. They are mentioning excess deaths now they are rising above the line (10%).

In the NW region yesterday there was apparently a surge in ambulance calls not related to Covid…I’m wondering whether the lockdown propaganda is causing deaths via high stress levels. We know there is a strong connection between emotions and health outcomes. It seems to me there could be a direct impact on heart functioning, asthma, diabetes, blood pressure, and of course mental well being as the potential impact of the lockdown on people’s lives begins to feed through.

226168 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to OKUK, 1, #1516 of 2928 🔗

It’s not implausible that 500 people in a region all got very pissed off at cancelled appointments/interviews/holidays/driving tests etc – again – is it?

226280 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to OKUK, 1, #1517 of 2928 🔗

This stressor of another lockdown when now the cupboard is bare fom many millions of people, devoid of cash, hope, a future. Life. Just sit back and watch heart attacks and strokes go through the roof, in combination with an already weakened population who have been sitting about since March getting fat and can now hardly walk up the stairs to piss. These people will be blowing their flap-valves in the droves.

226085 NickR, replying to NickR, 4, #1518 of 2928 🔗

The quality of the MPs questions & their understanding is staggering, they keep failing to get an answer.

226090 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to NickR, 3, #1519 of 2928 🔗

MP Scottish hard-bitch wants it harder and faster….It’s because we are just naughty wee sheeple.

226104 ▶▶▶ Anon, replying to Two-Six, 2, #1520 of 2928 🔗

The scottish MP had no clue, it’s terrifying. Why are they not askng about the ages risks and deaths. Why are we locking down for something that will clear penisons and open property up as the elderly die?

226111 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Anon, 2, #1521 of 2928 🔗

MP Scottish Hard Bitch was really a waste of space wasn’t she?

226235 ▶▶▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1522 of 2928 🔗

Always wondered if the SNP put their first-rate people in Holyrood, and the second raters at Westminster. Or the other way around. Or whether we would notice either way. (Plenty of nice safe seats in both places these days)

226143 ▶▶▶ William Hand, replying to Two-Six, #1523 of 2928 🔗

Harder and faster eh? Does her husband know?

226095 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to NickR, 2, #1524 of 2928 🔗

No mention of overall levels of deaths. Stay fearful stay safe

Just pointless

226107 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #1525 of 2928 🔗

MP Miss India wants to close schools because “There is clear evidence of transmission from children to teachers” Oh Really?

226169 ▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Two-Six, 2, #1526 of 2928 🔗

On 2020-08-23, the government said (emphasis mine):

“Transmission of COVID-19 to children in schools does occur. On current evidence it is probably not a common route of transmission . It may be lower in primary age children than secondary age children.”

226209 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1527 of 2928 🔗

ZERO evidence of this – ask Tegnell!

227193 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Two-Six, #1528 of 2928 🔗

V or W could have refuted that but didn’t bother.

226102 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to NickR, 4, #1529 of 2928 🔗

i have myself been in their position in front of a select committee, on energy, onceor twice some years ago. You get well briefed, you know who knows their stuff, which is at most 20% of the MPs on the committee. You give them some bones to chew on, and duck the known tough questions. Most of the time its a doddle, you know ten times more about the subject than most of the committee. No-one has produced a knock-out, they will feel OK by now.

226140 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to NickR, 9, #1530 of 2928 🔗

I posted this comment to the list a couple of months ago, but it bears repeating:

For decades I have opined that we are are a technologically dependent society with a technologically illiterate ruling class. This would inevitably lead to problems. QED?

226093 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 16, #1531 of 2928 🔗

I received responses from a couple of MPs who have received emails from me in the last couple of days. They seemed anxious to tell me that I wasn’t in their constituency and to help me by supplying the name of my local MP.

In my reply I responded that I was aware of my local MP’s identity but I wanted them to be aware that all MPs could be held jointly and severally responsible for the lockdown related deaths which have occurred. I hope it gives them a bad night’s sleep, but I am still looking for justice in the long term.

226100 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Basileus, 3, #1532 of 2928 🔗

I got the same, I emailed the 1922 committee and the only reply I have received is asking for my address in Cornwall (I don’t live there).

226098 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 5, #1533 of 2928 🔗

What? They’re being questioned by MPs?? I thought this was a ‘scientific and technical’ panel? Liars being questioned by liars? Whitewash.

226105 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Sam Vimes, 5, #1534 of 2928 🔗

Liars being questioned by liars with arts and humanities degrees and minimal real world experience to be accurate.

226208 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to AngloWelshDragon, #1535 of 2928 🔗

Which MPs are asking the questions?
Hopefully some sceptics like Sir Charles Walker and Desmond Swayne…

227195 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Carrie, #1536 of 2928 🔗

No. Only Aaron Bell asked any really useful questions.

226099 AngloWelshDragon, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 7, #1537 of 2928 🔗

I am not saying this in a gloating way or because I trivialise mental health issues and suicide because they have affected my own extended family, but looking at Whitty I see a man who is barely holding it together mentally. I wouldn’t be surprised if he doesn’t come to some sort of sticky end either by his own hand or in an accident resulting from stress or perhaps by a stress related illness. Either way, once he is dead the government will have free reign to dump all the blame for everything on him. It almost makes me feel sorry for the guy.

226106 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 4, #1538 of 2928 🔗

Must be stressful being a synthetic copy of a human being.

226112 ▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Richard O, 3, #1539 of 2928 🔗

You may be right. I am perhaps ascribing to him human emotions – stress, guilt, self doubt, shame – of which he has no concept.

226115 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Richard O, #1540 of 2928 🔗

.

226119 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Alethea, 3, #1541 of 2928 🔗

I presume he dreams of electric sheep.

226126 ▶▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Richard O, 2, #1542 of 2928 🔗

Richard, I edited mine out because I thought I was just being mean, but your response is a very good joke, regrettably now decontextualised

226197 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Alethea, 1, #1543 of 2928 🔗

Every android…

226114 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 5, #1544 of 2928 🔗

It reminds me of the transformation of Tony Blair over the course of the 2003 invasion of Iraq. With each passing month you could see the strain of the lies etching itself ever more deeply into his face.

226117 ▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Mabel Cow, 3, #1545 of 2928 🔗

That is exactly what it reminds me of and Whitty and Vallance have their fingerprints all over the new dodgy dossier.

226118 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #1546 of 2928 🔗

Lies, what do you mean, lies? Tony took his truths straight from his heavenly father. Then we crucified him for it. It was so unfair.

227197 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to AngloWelshDragon, #1547 of 2928 🔗

I was surprised when I saw video of him from 6 months ago. He has aged a lot since then.
Mind you, he won’t be the only one and he’s being paid handsomely for his tribulations.

226110 chaos, replying to chaos, 9, #1548 of 2928 🔗

Our university system pumps out graduates in engineering, computing, science.. and yet most of our MP’s are arts and humanities and philosophy graduates. Let’s not kid ourselves – political science is not science and economics is not maths!

Our MP’s are also disproportionately from the same schools and universities (20% of our MPs went to Oxford or Cambridge)… and they studied the same non-science subjects e.g. PPE or law.

226146 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to chaos, 5, #1549 of 2928 🔗

It’s simply indicative of the fact that those of us that study the “hard subjects” have better things to do with our time like creating wealth and being part of the productive economy than those that don’t study the “hard subjects” and are part of the non-productive economy.

226147 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to chaos, 4, #1550 of 2928 🔗

Is epidemiology a real science? We’ve got plenty enough epidemiologists! And the Soviet Union had plenty of engineers. I don’t think the problem is being able understand the science. As sciences go, epidemiology seems a doddle. We’re not talking fundamental particle physics are we?

226189 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to chaos, 3, #1551 of 2928 🔗

My degrees are in non-science subjects but I’m a lifelong sceptic. Maybe it’s partly due to the universities not being completely co-opted by the left when I did my first degree in philosophy back in the 1980s. By the time I returned to do post-graduate work in the 2000s I was an adult and couldn’t be won over to the censorship, cancel culture, wokeness that has become the academy. Not all humanities grads are drinking the Kool-Aid, though I’ll grant you it’s most.

226218 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 1, #1552 of 2928 🔗

Philosophy etc have their place in politics and life, work. But most mps should not have this background. But most do.

227201 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to chaos, #1553 of 2928 🔗

Philosophy requires some engagement of intellectual faculties. I see very little of this in the HofC.

226121 Edward Lear, replying to Edward Lear, 11, #1554 of 2928 🔗

I’m a bit suspicious that the covid data for the day on the government’s dashboard has been delayed due a “technical” problem. What do you bet it’s delayed until they check which way the wind is blowing with this Vaccine and Witless malarkey!

226223 ▶▶ annie, replying to Edward Lear, 3, #1555 of 2928 🔗

Or the lie machine needs servicing?

226228 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Edward Lear, 4, #1556 of 2928 🔗

Just need time to add some details to September’s excel spreadsheets to ensure Boris can say tomorrow “…..as the figures sadly confirm”. It’s all bent

226122 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 2, #1557 of 2928 🔗

Sir Vaccine doesn’t want a “Suboptimal package of measures” so “as we get down the list” of restrictions and start cutting things off the list we end up with a “suboptimal package” so we need to stop as much interpersonal contact as possible and churches must stay closed.

226129 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Two-Six, 15, #1558 of 2928 🔗

It’s simply an attack on what it means to be human. That’s all.

226165 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Alethea, 5, #1559 of 2928 🔗

Take your choice. Suboptimal or subhuman.

226173 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Alethea, 9, #1560 of 2928 🔗

Exactly. And they just don’t get how important that it to us humans (might not be for them but for the rest of us, it is).

I just let two guys go past on a narrow bit of path (not because of the SD crap, but because the bit of path really was too narrow – part of it taken up with some scaffolding). Was rewarded with a smile and a “thank you”. And not a smile obscured by a manky bit of rag, but a lovely visible human smile. What made it better is that he wasn’t holding any kind of rag in his hand either – one of us. Sad, but made my day.

226185 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to kh1485, 6, #1561 of 2928 🔗

Be human in small things. It’s a sign that you are also human in great ones.

226202 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Alethea, #1562 of 2928 🔗

Exactly!

226178 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Two-Six, 5, #1563 of 2928 🔗

Optimal package = fuck the country right up.

It’s a kind pound shop Nazideutsch

226224 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Two-Six, 2, #1564 of 2928 🔗

Paddy Vaccine seems to think he has the right to pick and choose things.

And there in is the central figure. You should NEVER ever have assumed you had such a right.

226268 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Two-Six, 2, #1565 of 2928 🔗

He is loathsome.

226128 Sarigan, replying to S