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227658 muzzle, 1, #1 of 1470 🔗


227659 Jo, #2 of 1470 🔗


227663 Jo, replying to Jo, 64, #3 of 1470 🔗

This is most horrible thing I have seen.

They are trying to use Mental Health Act consent to treatment rules to get people vaccinated. Fortunately, they do no understand the legislation so they can’t use it. But plenty of other routes. So worry that they have even thought of using it! I said to my friend (current mental health lawyer, as I used to be) recently that they might try to use it and she thought I was mad.
I’m trying to get in touch with some top people, as I’m no longer practising, to blow this out of the water. More important to firm up Human Rights angle, as they’re trying to circumvent this.
Also trying to get in touch with Mike Yeadon who posted it – I can’t message him unfortunately. Perhaps Toby might help?

227670 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Jo, 19, #4 of 1470 🔗

Go Jo! We have to fight this no matter what it takes.

227703 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Bella Donna, 18, #5 of 1470 🔗

Yes, fight it every way you/we can.

227696 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Jo, 24, #6 of 1470 🔗

Unforgivable that a government has explores the use of mental health as a way to force vaccines on people.

In no way am I anti Vaccine. Had loads including TB, Rabies & Yellow Fever….all fine, well sort of. I was 29 when I had the Yellow Fever jab and was quite fit but I had a year of odd chest infections afterwards, anyway I am not going to have a jab and if they want to lock me up under the mental health act so be it. Smaller step than it would have been pre March 2020. I can’t do anything or go out nowadays anyway.

228956 ▶▶▶ right2question, replying to Leemc23, 2, #7 of 1470 🔗

so, it’s a generally non lethal illness, prophylactic regimes that would help aren’t being widely publicized which if they were could reduce the lethality more, already less people dying from it in hospital as they have learnt from mistakes and have better treatment options, we know that the figures are misleading due to ‘from’ being mixed up ‘with, what possible justification could there be ……. apart from massive profits for pharma and the push for control.

227705 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Jo, 17, #8 of 1470 🔗

Well done Jo for following it through with contacts. I also saw it yesterday and was horrified!

There’s a human rights lawyer that sits on World Freedom Alliance. He is called Martin Byrne. Here’s his twitter feed.


227725 ▶▶ ambwozere, replying to Jo, 16, #9 of 1470 🔗

Francis Hoar the barrister on Simon Dolan’s Court case is aware of this I believe as is Simon. Simon has tweeted today saying he will fight to stop this happening.

227736 ▶▶▶ IAintObeyingLockdown, replying to ambwozere, 13, #10 of 1470 🔗

I hope he’s wiling to up his game in the fight against lockdowns too, pretty soon I fear that no legal means will be open and he’ll have to find other ways to stand up for our rights. Hoar and Dolan have some really good arguments on their pages, but I think that the lockdownist enemy are beyond listening to any arguments.

227936 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to IAintObeyingLockdown, 8, #11 of 1470 🔗

I do hope that everyone who can donates to Simon’s campaign.

I’ve donated a fiver here and there, whenever I can spare it. Every little helps.

228051 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to IAintObeyingLockdown, 3, #12 of 1470 🔗

One reason for us all to look for converts. Numbers matter in this fight.

227932 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to ambwozere, #13 of 1470 🔗

Simon’s Twitter feed was one of the sources of the URL quoted above.

227751 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Jo, 20, #14 of 1470 🔗

I’ve just spoken to 2 of our local library assistants, both of whom I know well.

When I mentioned this sinister plan they were both absolutely horrified and aghast.

We agreed that informed consent underpins any and every medical procedure,unless one is so disturbed/unwell/a danger to oneself and others that treatment can be imposed if sanctioned by suitable practitioners.

I sincerely hope that this might be the straw that breaks the Covid camel’ss back and that Luke Gittos might assist:


227886 ▶▶▶ Adam, replying to wendyk, 13, #15 of 1470 🔗

Enough is enough I have had enough of Adolf Johnson his Government and the pathetic opposition parties

227814 ▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to Jo, 16, #16 of 1470 🔗

I believe that if a suitable treatment is available it is not legally possible to mandate a vaccine. I’m not sure but it makes sense. This is probably why they have been discrediting effective treatments so far, but legally it can be easily proven that they work. Prof Raoult is suing the health minister in France for negligence because they prevented Covid patients from accessing Hydroxycloroquine.

228613 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Sceptic Hank, 5, #17 of 1470 🔗

That is certainly the case in the United States and that is why Fauci is preventing doctors from prescribing HCQ treatments. After all he has an interest in Remdesivir as well as vaccines.

228965 ▶▶▶▶ right2question, replying to PastImperfect, #18 of 1470 🔗

yes, fantastic it’s been shown to be a dead duck !

227882 ▶▶ Adam, replying to Jo, 11, #19 of 1470 🔗

Absolutely disgusting but another reason why Britain needs a written constitution that protects our rights and sovereignty more importantly limits government power

228966 ▶▶▶ right2question, replying to Adam, 1, #20 of 1470 🔗

totally we have to make sure that it’s not just about stopping the shit now but making sure they can never do this again !!!!!!! i’m so angry !!!

227927 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Jo, 3, #21 of 1470 🔗

You can contact Toby at lockdownsceptics@gmail.com . I’m sure he’d be very interested in your input.

227943 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Jo, 5, #22 of 1470 🔗

Hi Jo and everyone
The thing that the pushback needs more than anything else is a means for people to connect to one another quickly and efficiently.
This site (thanks to all of us) does that to an extent. When someone asks, who can tell me xyz very often someone can answer.
But what we need is a network of communication, where queries like this can be passed on.
Is there anyone here who has that organisational skill?
Jo is doing this topic
Mabel Cow is collecting costs of lockdown.
I’m on the ‘climate change’ case and also write leaflets and easy to assimilate summaries.
Awkward Git is doing FOI requests as are others, but are these being collated, used and securely stored?

Is there anyone here with the ability to network/organise this all together so that we can work on things in teams or loose groups, and find the others in the same topic quickly! Retired PA?

If so, don’t hide your light, please step forward.

228052 ▶▶▶ Winter, replying to Rosie, 6, #23 of 1470 🔗

Me. Ex civil service PA (Whitehall). I’ve been thinking about how we can maintain better touch. One issue with the site (for me) is that it quite often flip flops and I lose my place easily. Might be something to do with using an iPad though. It’s also going to require trust. Email addresses and probably phone numbers would need to be exchanged. I (and probably other people) am a little reluctant to this on an open site.

228239 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Winter, 2, #24 of 1470 🔗

Hi Winter
Good to hear from you and I agree with everything that you say.

I’ve developed a plan, you could call it a business model, to operate despite all the problems you raise – and it focuses first and foremost upon the trust that you mention. I started trying to find solutions over two years ago, on trying to work out why the campaigns against the ‘climate change’ agenda had achieved so little. Several elements of this plan have started to emerge, but the most important missing element is what I described above, and perhaps you are just that person.

I hope that you feel as if you can trust me. I comment on here a lot and I think others here will vouch for me. I also comment at the Daily Telegraph, for 4 years on the ‘Letters to the Editor’ page, and the regulars there will also vouch for me should you wish to make discrete enquiries.

You can contact me directly via the contact page of my website, and hopefully we can take it from there,

228333 ▶▶▶▶▶ Winter, replying to Rosie, 1, #25 of 1470 🔗

Hi Rosie, thanks for your reply – sounds like a cunning plan; with never a turnip in sight! I’ll contact you through your site and we’ll see what we can do to get the ball rolling.

228591 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Winter, #26 of 1470 🔗

Hi Winter I’ve replied to you but accidentally used the wrong email address – sorry about that, but you’ll be able to see that it’s me!

227975 ▶▶ Scotswifie, replying to Jo, 10, #27 of 1470 🔗

Thank you, you have made me feel a bit better. I couldn’t sleep last night worrying about what this could do to my children, the two scenarios being they get vaccinated with goodness knows what and/ or their mother gets carted off for trying to stop it happening.

228336 ▶▶ Amanda Robson, replying to Jo, 4, #28 of 1470 🔗

This is utterly shocking and actually barbaric. Particularly chilling is the paragraph near the end (line 185 onwards). Well done finding and providing us with the link Jo – this should be on the front pages of every newspaper in the land.

228570 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Jo, 2, #29 of 1470 🔗

Jo please make contact with Anna Brees, she has the ears of many people, who may be helpful.

228940 ▶▶ right2question, replying to Jo, 1, #30 of 1470 🔗

who on earth are these people !!

228985 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to right2question, 2, #31 of 1470 🔗

They’re clearly inhumane so I’m not sure we can refer to them as people.

227672 Commander Jameson, replying to Commander Jameson, 32, #32 of 1470 🔗

A $66600 fine?

They’re openly trolling us now.

227722 ▶▶ alison, replying to Commander Jameson, 18, #33 of 1470 🔗

Agreed. Utterly bizarre as it cannot be accidental and is not exactly going to calm fears about vaccines if that is supposed to be what they want. They might as well market the vaccine with an accompanying tattoo and call it the mark of the beast.

227727 ▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to Commander Jameson, 11, #35 of 1470 🔗

Oh, you beat me to it! Hidden in plain sight as they say, but we’re just “conspiracy theorists!” Actually, I prefer to be called a “conspiracy analyst.”

228986 ▶▶▶ right2question, replying to HelenaHancart, #36 of 1470 🔗

i haven’t got a name yet but kind of like lay investigative journalism or also like the kind of doctor that looks for the root cause and doesn’t rest with dealing with just the symptoms. another name quite frankly is realist

227674 Julian, replying to Julian, 37, #37 of 1470 🔗

The analysis of the government’s thinking and motivation is plausible. In some ways I would have more sympathy for them if I thought they were following some loony Great Reset plan, but as they are destroying a nation and killing people to save their political future, that’s about as morally bankrupt as it gets in my book.

227797 ▶▶ Arkansas, replying to Julian, 10, #38 of 1470 🔗

The ‘Great Reset’ isn’t much of a plan other than fuck the economy and then “build back better” with a technocracy template.

So, what we are doing now is ultimately consistent through eventual necessity, if the only recovery plan available is the WEF’s recovery plan?

227956 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Julian, 5, #39 of 1470 🔗

Destroying the nation is Cultural Marxism and Agenda 21 rolled up into one.
The Great Reset is the advertising puff to make us welcome it. Like at the beginning of that film with the huge flying saucers and the people are welcoming them.

227678 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 19, #40 of 1470 🔗

A Biden win is a win for masks and the great satanic reset.
Trump and Co were alerted to potential postal ballot rigging fraud and big tech censorship months ago – they did not act.

227691 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to nickbowes, 11, #41 of 1470 🔗

They’ve been taking them to court to try to stop these fraudulent measures, but haven’t always won their cases.
It’s been down to the House and Senate to have set out basic rules for the states to follow, but they haven’t. Trump can’t interfere in State legislation. The state legislatures and judicial systems have been corrupted over many years. If the people of those states vote for the left-wing Democrats, that’s what they get, i.e. corrupt, dysfunctional government, and then it becomes impossible to get rid of them because they control everything, including the media – all of it.
Even Fox News in America has been turning left-wing and playing games with announcing the election results.

227694 ▶▶▶ Exiled off mainstreet, replying to Lms23, 10, #42 of 1470 🔗

It looks bad. The fraud is being perfected. It looks like tough times ahead. I’m actually hoping that the fraud was so transparent that they have trouble maintaining obedience and the whole thing heads for instability.

227683 Cristi.Neagu, 16, #43 of 1470 🔗

Things don’t look too rosey for Trump, unfortunately. He was somehow cheated out of Virginia (who called for Biden incredibly early, with no votes counted) and Wisconsin. He now needs both Michigan and Pennsylvania to win. And while in a normal world i wouldn’t be too worried, Trump can only hope that the people voted for him, while Biden can simply stuff the ballot boxes.

But i remain hopeful. Trump may yet win back Wisconsin where he’s behind just 7k votes. He’s still in the lead in Michigan with 1.4% of the vote. And he’s leading Pennsylvania by 675k votes. Right now it looks like he has this in the bag, but a lot can change in a few hours (or days, in the case of Pennsylvania), and a lot of ballots can seemingly be found in dark alleyways.

227686 Adamb, replying to Adamb, 7, #44 of 1470 🔗

Glad to see Toby’s “tier 3 restrictions were working” comment from yesterday debunked.

227741 ▶▶ IAintObeyingLockdown, replying to Adamb, 6, #45 of 1470 🔗

Such restrictions were never needed, and they weren’t why the virus is slowing, it is slowing because the early autumn rise was when people staretd to be indoors again and the virus got better chances to spread, but once people are indoors again the virus has done much of the new spreading it can and is struggling to find new non-immune people to infect. Might be full herd immunity, might just be localised herd immunity around contact chains, either way, the virus is the only thing which can stop the virus, and it is doing this without need for government over-reaction.

227688 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 17, #46 of 1470 🔗

Trump hasn’t lost yet. If the numbers right now hold and don’t flip, he wins.

227728 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 2, #47 of 1470 🔗

All depends on Pennsylvania now, could be another “Florida 2000”.

227945 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to DRW, 1, #48 of 1470 🔗

Hanging chads!

227689 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 17, #49 of 1470 🔗

Lloyds bank “shedding” another 1,070 jobs.
Going well ain’t it?

227769 ▶▶ Margaret, replying to Fingerache Philip., 6, #50 of 1470 🔗

And John Lewis cutting 1500.

228101 ▶▶▶ rose, replying to Margaret, 3, #51 of 1470 🔗

Marks and sparks 7000

227693 Lucan Grey, replying to Lucan Grey, 2, #52 of 1470 🔗

HM Treasury long ago ran out of cash and the staff of the Debt Management Office are having a collective nervous breakdown. At some point, the tap has to be turned off or no one will take our paper.”

Why put this in when it simply isn’t true?

Government owns the Bank of England. The DMO has a KPI not to use the Ways and Means Account at the BoE. So just suspend the KPI and then if nobody wants to repo or buy Gilts they can continue to hold Bank Reserves at 0.1% – since that is their only alternative at that point.

They don’t use Sterling anywhere else.

We offer “paper” to others as a favour, not a requirement. If you owned a bank outright who would you borrow from? So why doesn’t your government – given the BoE is always the ultimately depository of any “spare” money anyway.

HM Treasury can never run out of cash – because the cash can never leave the Bank of England which HM Treasury owns. It’s basic bank accounting.

227699 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Lucan Grey, 4, #53 of 1470 🔗

Did you ever get around to answering the question from the treasury accounting guy about how your “free money” theories, if applied (even more than they already are being by the “Conservative” magic money foresters), would interact with exchange?

227704 ▶▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Mark, 1, #54 of 1470 🔗

We have a free floating non-convertible currency. For there to be any exchange you have to have somebody coming in the opposite direction. What do they know that you don’t?

It’s not about spending. It’s about deploying resources that would otherwise be stood idle, which is what keeps other people in jobs and profits up. Smart people know that, and they know that excess saving (which is what is happening right now, people are saving and not borrowing) gets in the way of the circulation.

So we either accommodate or confiscate. Which would you prefer?

How many billions more of QE (which just puts the accounting back where it would be if no government paper was issued in the first place) do we need before certain people accept that what they fear ought to have happened by now.

228036 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Lucan Grey, #55 of 1470 🔗

Your theory would be more valid if sterling were the only currency or If we weren’t reliant on imports.
If is free floating ,what is it floating against,other currencies.
This ends only one way.End of paper money and a new digital currency when sterling crashes.

227832 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Lucan Grey, 1, #56 of 1470 🔗

It’s not that simple in my view. If they utilise that route, it breaks the illusion of central bank independence while also making them appear accountable – they would no longer be able to pass off any failings as “due to central bank” policy.

So they’ve run out of cash, and the fact that they could get more cash if they changed tack and promoted central bank printing is surely a separate matter?

228536 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Lucan Grey, #57 of 1470 🔗

Wow. So austerity wasn’t necessary after all!

228651 ▶▶ Miss C Ellany, replying to Lucan Grey, 1, #58 of 1470 🔗

I hate to break the news but The Bank of England is a privately owned corporation as are all central banks.

227695 Lms23, replying to Lms23, 15, #59 of 1470 🔗

“Refusing to engage and trying to cancel anyone who disagrees with you doesn’t work.

You can silence people on Twitter, Facebook and YouTube, but you can’t silence them at the ballot box.”

Apparently, yes they can.
They can engage in widespread voter fraud, sending multiple ballots to people, ballot harvesting, dumping ballots in rubbish bins which is easy when the ballot envelopes have a D or R on the outside, “finding” 100,000 missing ballots after it looks like you might lose a county or state and miraculously they’re all voting for your candidate.

The left plays by the rules until it loses, then it changes the rules to make sure they don’t lose again.

227974 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Lms23, 5, #60 of 1470 🔗

Yesterday we were playing nice and talking about the real issues at hand. There are people from both the left and the right on this forum. I happen to be on the left and am an American who lives in the UK, where this forum is based. Perhaps you are American, too. If you are, fine, clog this board with hysteria about an election taking place in another country that hasn’t been decided yet.

But, I, for one, want to talk about issues relevant to lockdowns, the topic of this board. Perhaps you missed all the posts yesterday about Parliament receiving evidence recommending that people who refuse the eventual vaccine should be forced to have it by declaring them mentally incapable. That’s a real issue.

228104 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to ConstantBees, 2, #61 of 1470 🔗

Actually, JP says it better than I ever could: What To Do if Your Side Loses the Election

227697 alw, 9, #62 of 1470 🔗

Received from a friend this morning. Care home residents are still being failed.Continued empty promises from government. And where are the CQC?

At……care home, one resident and one staff member tested positive for the virus last week. There are only 16 residents and they are all fine. They are all being retested today. In the meantime, they have banned garden/conservatory visits, which is understandable, I concede, but they have also banned “window” visits, which is unacceptable, I think.”

227700 JohnB, 6, #63 of 1470 🔗

COVID 19 – The Musical


Brilliant, very professional, see what you think.

Banned by you-tube, a good advert ! 🙂

227701 Aslangeo, replying to Aslangeo, 33, #64 of 1470 🔗

Re Toby’s comments about the Quad – This is what happens when you get a small isolated group of people making decisions for cynical reasons

The tiny clique disappear up their own backsides and cannot think logically

anybody not agreeing with the boss gets removed
anybody producing inconvenient facts (even in private) gets removed
anybody failing to publicly defend the policy gets removed

I had thought that they in their heart of hearts realised that the lockdown was a catastrophe, but admitting this was politically challenging. I now know that I was wrong

I would suggest saying this if I were in the government

” the spring lockdown was needed because we knew little about a dangerous virus then , we were frightened of what it would do to our country. We know more now, what activity is more risky and what behaviour is safer. Our health capacity has improved and we are working on increasing it further. The economic, health and social damage from a lockdown has been great and therefore we are looking at individual specific measures to help protect the people of this country. each measure will be looked at in terms of effectiveness and cost, by a broad group of experts and these analyses will be published so that the country can come together to pull through ”

I do not expect any such message in the near future

These bastards deserve what is coming to them

227717 ▶▶ alison, replying to Aslangeo, 15, #65 of 1470 🔗

Re the same comments: hope this depressing account of selfish political interest being prioritised over the truth and the common good can be published where it can be seen by a wider audience. If these are the discussions going on in private, someone needs to blow the whistle on this mob.

People will lose their jobs, their health, their lives so that this lot do not have to admit they are wrong, or have to worry about awkward photos on the BBC (and there is no good reason to think it would come to that anyway).

229003 ▶▶ right2question, replying to Aslangeo, #66 of 1470 🔗

i don’t think it was ever the right thing to do and that there was enough evidence to know it wasn’t spanish flu (which looks like it might not have been flu anyway)

227702 Mark, 3, #67 of 1470 🔗

I tend to the pessimistic in politics, as you evidently do, but I’m not committing to either result yet. Still not clear which way it will go.

227706 IAintObeyingLockdown, replying to IAintObeyingLockdown, 12, #68 of 1470 🔗

“offering tests to those who want to see vulnerable elderly relatives”
That is literally the only legitimate use for testing for covid, and only then if the test results are kept private, no track and treason involvement, so they can be solely used as an at-the-instant check for people wanting to visit those who’ve classified themselves as vulnerable.

227716 ▶▶ rms, replying to IAintObeyingLockdown, 10, #69 of 1470 🔗

And follow-up independent tests, and confirmation by a physician, of the correct diagnosis. A positive or negative test is not definitive.

227753 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to rms, #70 of 1470 🔗


228554 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to IAintObeyingLockdown, #71 of 1470 🔗

Nothing legitimate about offering tests for those visiting elderly relatives. It is actually a form of coercion or blackmail.

229011 ▶▶▶ right2question, replying to Rowan, #72 of 1470 🔗

i agree. and i wonder at what point the elderly became people that couldn’t make decisions for themselves about what level of risk or not they wanted to take at what point their lifetime of experience suddenly counts for nothing and for those that aren’t able to make informed choices, then again the risk assessment the life cost of isolation etc

227707 Helen, 1, #73 of 1470 🔗

‘THE SCIENCE’…. the dogma of scientism and the crisis of Cartesian dualism

Two covid realities. How did it come to this?

Mind-body Dualism: A critique from a Health Perspective

“This is an issue because disciplines under social sciences do not lend themselves to scientific method without running the risk of incomplete and at times distorted understanding of their subject matter-human beings. The field of medicine, by adhering rigidly to scientific method, mislaid its subject matter and gave up its moral responsibility toward the real health concerns of human beings. Neeta Mehta , PhD.*

That which the government has been applying to the problem of covid to save us from covid they refer to as THE SCIENCE.

The government justify their totalitarian measures based upon THE SCIENCE. Two UK Gov scientists demonstrated yesterday just how they apply THE SCIENCE. If THE SCIENCE has created 2 parallel realities what use is it to humanity?
Is there something wrong with the way these 2 scientists apply THE SCIENCE or is there something wrong with THE SCIENCE itself? When applying a dualist approach to interpret the world then surely inherent therein lies the potential for what we are seeing right here and now………………….Two covid realities.

In a nutshell the philosophical theory upon which THE SCIENCE is based was introduced by the 17the century French philosopher Rene Descartes. Descartes proposed that the mind and the body are not unified but are of entirely different essential nature..which has led to the term Cartesian dualism sometimes also referred to as mechanistic..ordering, categorising, measuring, objectifying, dividing…. good/bad, right/wrong, infected/uninfected

“Philosophical theory about the nature of human beings has far reaching consequences on our understanding of various issues faced by them it becomes the foundation on which knowledge gets built this theoretical framework rarely gets questioned despite its inherent limitations and self-defeating consequences”

 Mens Sana Monogr . 2011 Jan-Dec; 9(1): 202–209.
Mind-body Dualism: A critique from a Health Perspective** Neeta Mehta , PhD.*


227709 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #74 of 1470 🔗

Whilst I am sure the government is terrified, I’m not sure I go along with the analysis above. It doesn’t add up with the range of evidence we’ve seen to the contrary. What does everyone else think?

227720 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Country Mumkin, 3, #75 of 1470 🔗

I suspect you might need to be more specific. I, for one an not able to mind read, so I do not know what you are disagreeing with nor do I know what evidence you are referring to.

228703 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Steve Hayes, #76 of 1470 🔗

I was referring to “the government is terrified” above. Sorry!

Interesting to hear everyone’s thoughts. I’m definitely in the co-ordinated global coup camp. The above analysis seems a bit disingenuous to me.

227726 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Country Mumkin, 5, #77 of 1470 🔗

It is a UK-centric analysis.

This is fair enough when considering all the details of implementation – the government obviously is acting in the UK context and has to attempt to justify its actions by reference to that.

However, the analysis is inadequate when it comes to analysing the reasons for government policy as opposed to implementation of details. ‘covid’ is a global phenomenon, with the few obvious exceptions.

To explain a global phenomenon we need to look at global causes. We see essentially the same regime being implemented everywhere.Sure, it makes no sense given the UK data, but neither does it make sense anywhere else.

227729 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Country Mumkin, 12, #78 of 1470 🔗

If this madness was confined to this country then the analysis seems very plausible,BUT we are going into lockdown in lockstep with France Germany and a few other countries.This suggests that parochial political concerns are not the main driver.Why are we destroying ourselves on the basis of such obvious lies.
This site and Peter Hitchens were such beacons of sanity at the beginning but the refusal to even countenance the prospect of a global conspiracy is becoming infuriating.

227744 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 6, #79 of 1470 🔗

I agree wholeheartedly but I look at it this way.

Peter Hitchens and Toby Young have so effectively deconstructed UK govt. policy and shown it to be so inadequately explained by the situation, that combined with the similar situation in other countries, it is now blindingly obvious that we are dealing with a global phenomenon.

They simply do not spell it out.

227750 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to calchas, #80 of 1470 🔗

It is as i they are leading you through a solution to an algebra solution, but refuse to give you the last line.

227983 ▶▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to calchas, 1, #81 of 1470 🔗

If you are an intelligent student, you do not need the final step given to you. Wanting to be spoon-fed is like locking yourself at home until there’s a vaccine.

227745 ▶▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 14, #82 of 1470 🔗

Sorry Jonathan but I disagree with you – other countries are also run by narrow groups of morons too. If they see a country panicking then they follow, Media stokes panic in many countries and it takes brave people to resist

Britain has no monopoly on irrational stupidity

227780 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Aslangeo, 11, #83 of 1470 🔗

The policy we are now following in Liverpool is also being followed in Slovakia.
If you cannot see that they are all following a script then I cannot help you.
If it looks like a coup,sounds like a coup then it probably is a coup.
How do you go from a bungled response to a novel virus to a police state.It doesn’t accidentally happen.

227791 ▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 7, #84 of 1470 🔗

Do people really think that what happened in the Australian state of Victoria happened because of incompetence or the govt. being ‘terrified'”

228528 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to calchas, 1, #85 of 1470 🔗

Because Andrews is a dangerous psychopath.

228377 ▶▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #86 of 1470 🔗

There will some sort of pushback believe not just Britain but globally go the psychic craig hamilton Parker he is quite accurate on things

229036 ▶▶▶▶▶ right2question, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #87 of 1470 🔗

and it ignores that enormously powerful organisations/people fund and control the narrative. google is involved with vaccine manufacture. much of media including bbc has gates funding (won’t get back to normal until 2nd vaccine etc)

227834 ▶▶▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to Aslangeo, 12, #88 of 1470 🔗

I agree. The internet and the 24-hour news cycle are are also significant factors. On the one hand, we have virtually all human knowledge at our fingertips. On the other hand, an alarmist story about a ‘killer virus’ can go around the world in minutes.

Look at the calibre of people running this country. How many of them are capable of taking part in a Machiavellian scheme to enslave the world? Would you trust Matt Hancock to run a car boot sale? It’s probably not different anywhere else.

I’m sure that there are opportunists (e.g. Devi Sridhar) who are using the current situation to further their own careers and agendas, but for Boris and the rest of the Gang of Four it’s all about trying to cover up the biggest policy disaster of all time.

228046 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to DJ Dod, 2, #89 of 1470 🔗

Despite their apparent incompetence and when you look at Johnson and Hancock it is a seductive view,politicians are very good at following the party line,it is in fact their only skill.
We just differ in where the party line is coming from.

228722 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Aslangeo, #90 of 1470 🔗

And the timing is odd.

229031 ▶▶▶ right2question, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #91 of 1470 🔗

i agree, and i think so dangerous, because it means that there isn’t sufficient grasp of the extent and seriousness of the danger and the absolute need for powerful resistance. it means our alarm systems don’t go off loudly enough i see this in the general public many know it’s nuts but there’s not enough alarm to DO anything about it there’s just the trust that it’s a few dummies and it will get sorted as they just try to ignore it all and it’s give an inch and they take a mile over and over again

227730 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Country Mumkin, 8, #92 of 1470 🔗

Assuming you are referring to the “government insider” stuff from Toby, I obviously don’t know what the government insiders are saying and thinking, but Toby’s analysis feels honest to me and seems to fit the known facts reasonably well.

It’s purely a tactical analysis, in relation to UK government policy and motivations.

227800 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Country Mumkin, 14, #93 of 1470 🔗

I don’t think they are terrified. Why would they be with the level of compliance they seem to command. They still have the upper hand.

The lockdown regulations have nothing to do with Covid-19. They are just getting people used to being subservient to any rubbish they may command. A significant proportion of us need to resist in any way we can.

227989 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Country Mumkin, #95 of 1470 🔗

It’s interesting when people say “I’m sure someone is feeling this, that or the other thing.” I do not know how other people are feeling, I do not know their thoughts or motivations. Unless you are actually one of the “Quad”, as Toby puts it, I doubt you do either.

227710 mattghg, 1, #96 of 1470 🔗

Leave the Puritans out of this!

227712 A jab in the dark, replying to A jab in the dark, 4, #97 of 1470 🔗

Are Johnson, Vallance, and Whitty so desperate for just one victory they are condemning us to an unnecessary lockdown at a moment when the statistical evidence shows SARS-CoV-2 is slowing down and becoming just another ‘flu virus as it probably always was …

Politicians determined the decimation of our Public Health structures during Cameron’s coalition with Clegg and we have seen that saving money on the wrong things will likely lead to massive expenses not too far down the beaten track.

227721 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to A jab in the dark, #98 of 1470 🔗

Their reputation depends on their lies and fantastical predictions being accepted.

227715 alw, replying to alw, 3, #100 of 1470 🔗

Latest lockdown regs.

“(1) THREAD – LOCKDOWN 2 REGS – full regs are here
https://www.legislation.gov ….”

A thread from @charlescholland

227732 ▶▶ IAintObeyingLockdown, replying to alw, 13, #101 of 1470 🔗

Will not be reading them, will not be following them. The crooks in whitehall will no doubt change them every 5 minutes on twitter too. Today I’m visiting every business on my high street and urging them to refuse to close tomorrow. If enough refuse the bullshit then lockdown can’t happen.

227885 ▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to IAintObeyingLockdown, 2, #102 of 1470 🔗

Well done to you. If only more people would take that initiative. Sadly I cannot as i live in a locked-in but not locked down Thailand.
PS went out this evening to see my friends – no mask, no anti-social distancing, orhand spray required

229044 ▶▶▶ right2question, replying to IAintObeyingLockdown, #104 of 1470 🔗

i spoke to 2 businesses today that have worked out ways to continue operating, one spoke to local council and found them very helpful which was heartening, i also read something about common law and business

227992 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to alw, #105 of 1470 🔗

Bad link. Correct one: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1200/contents/made . Not saying anyone should read or not read them. Just making the info available to those who want a look.

227718 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 14, #106 of 1470 🔗

Vallance and Whitty to Select Committee on Science and Technology: the numbers are predictions, no projections, no scenarios, no models, no they are what will happen if you do not do as we say.

When did making stuff up become “the science”? How can any literate (never mind scientifically literate) person take these people seriously?

Patrick Vallance, the government’s most senior science advisor, told us: “The modelling, that’s the data we are looking at.”

Professor Yvonne Doyle of Public Health England told us that the science for the two metre social distancing rule is: “The precautionary principle.”

Boris Johnson, doubtless repeating these advisors’ nonsense, told us that the science for the ten o’clock rule is that the longer people socialise, the more alcohol they drink and they are less able to social distance (cf Doyle above).

These people spent months telling us (correctly) that face masks don’t prevent the transmission of the virus, and then they turn around and mandate them on the (obviously false) ground that they prevent the transmission of the virus.

The responses to the coronavirus are nothing more than pseudoscience. Yet, strange to relate, it seems to be much easier to persuade people to believe pseudoscience than to get them to think. Apparently, believing is easier than thinking. Unfortunately, it is incredibly harmful.

227859 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #107 of 1470 🔗

When did making stuff up become “the science””

Science has always been about testing theories and hypothesis’ to check that they stand up to experimentation and scrutiny. On the other hand “The science” has always been made up and enforced by consensus.

227899 ▶▶ djaustin, replying to Steve Hayes, #108 of 1470 🔗

Projection – carry on as you are and this is the likely outcome
Prediction – if you change something what’s going to happen?

The first is a relatively straightforward assumption-free method
The second is much more assumption-driven and subject to uncertainty in model.

Six-week projections are reasonably robust. Anything longer comes with considerable error. But even so, models should be qualified as data becomes available. Failure to predict deaths only three weeks hence (1000 then 4000) means something is amiss.

227724 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #109 of 1470 🔗

Maybe this government admires the ‘Chinese Way’ so much they’ve decided to give it a try, SAGE who will DECIDE how we live our lives, they want to see how far they can take it. Now only 6 are allowed at a wedding, keep changing see what works.

228398 ▶▶ Adam, replying to Dan Clarke, #110 of 1470 🔗

I am quite an optimist people will soon get angry and have enough removing the current Government and opposition should be goal 1 https://www.remove-the-tory-government.org

228849 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Adam, #111 of 1470 🔗

The problem with “remove the tory government” is that it lends itself to those who just want to put the pro-lockdown fanatic Labour Party into office instead.

227731 IAintObeyingLockdown, replying to IAintObeyingLockdown, 14, #112 of 1470 🔗

Regarding the danger of mandatory vaccinations: I’ve seen a report by so-called experts being forwared around containing a paragraph discussed as the “lockdown parity argument” saying “if lockdown is legal mandatroy vaccination can’t be worse”. I can agree with such parity, mandatory vaccination is less of an assault on rights than a lockdown, and unlike lockdown might maybe even have some ability to slightly contain this mild and totally uncontainable endemic cough. But lockdown isn’t legal in any civilised society. So if they intend to make vacinations mandatory in any way which attempts so say that lockdown was anything other than “an illegal disaster with side-effects much worse than anything covid itself culd have ever done”, then myself, normally a pro-vaxxer who’d take it, will be refusing to comply purely on grounds of stubborn-ness. Infact, I’m reaching the view that if they want me to have such a vaccine at any point in future then I won’t be willing unless they cancel this lockdown now, have a written constitution made which bans future lockdowns, and apologise for the first lockdown as being the most damaging cockup in history (I want an offocial document to have to use the word “cockup”).

227761 ▶▶ Jo, replying to IAintObeyingLockdown, 8, #113 of 1470 🔗

I agree. You can imprison someone, legally, if the right process (eg trial) has been followed. But no prisoners in this country can be given any form of medication against their will. Even psychiatric medications. To be given the latter, around which consent to treatment rules are enshrined in law (ie MHA), they would have to be transferred under s47 of the MHA to hospital (a psychiatric hospital) and then if they refused treatment FOR THEIR MENTAL DISORDER a second opinion doctor independent of the hospital would have to be first consulted. They could not be given “treatment” ie vaccine or treatment for physical ailment by law.
So currently people can have their liberty taken away (by imprisonment or detention under mental health act) but they CANNOT be forced to take medication, except, when detained under MHA, for their mental disorder.

229155 ▶▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to Jo, #114 of 1470 🔗

They will be using the concept of the ‘greater good’ and protecting the community. However the current vaccines apparently don’t protect you against infecting others so this would be the key point in any legal argument.

227772 ▶▶ Mark, replying to IAintObeyingLockdown, 12, #115 of 1470 🔗

Such parity is false, imo. However unacceptable lockdown might be, forced injection is a step further. It’s much more invasive and much more personal.

Basically morally comparable to state mandated rape, whereas lockdown is akin to imprisonment.

227776 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Mark, 12, #116 of 1470 🔗

” It’s much more invasive and much more personal.”

And it can’t be UNDONE.

229074 ▶▶▶▶ right2question, replying to PastImperfect, #117 of 1470 🔗

and the assumption behind the vaccine thing is that it’s surely harmless ……. well, take a look at the injuries after swine flu and take a look at the amount paid out in vaccine injury compensation.

227838 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Mark, 10, #118 of 1470 🔗

Masks of course are conveniently intermediate imposition. Not quite an injection, but quite invasive in effect.

It’s called grooming.

227890 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Ovis, #119 of 1470 🔗

Yes, fair point.

228020 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Mark, 1, #120 of 1470 🔗

And yet the document implies that it’s not as bad because the injection only lasts a second or two. “Interesting” logic.

228841 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to ConstantBees, #121 of 1470 🔗

Indeed. Because it’s the duration of the rape that’s always the important point….

229076 ▶▶▶▶ right2question, replying to ConstantBees, #122 of 1470 🔗

haha yes, interesting as in crap

229071 ▶▶▶ right2question, replying to Mark, #123 of 1470 🔗

have people forgotten the physical atrocities of ww2 under the guise of medicine to ever think that mandatory vaccination is ok is giving up the most basic human rights, rights to control our own body. both should be things that we draw very firm tight lines around to keep ourselves safe and to maintain any kind of democracy. we should never be in a position of walking down a path of deciding for others that their right to control their own body and their own right to earn a living, associate with friends and family, move about freely don’t matter and shouldn’t be fought for fiercely. people aren’t stupid. if there are risks/dangers they are quite capable of making their own decisions based on realistic information.

228272 ▶▶ Richard Davies, replying to IAintObeyingLockdown, 2, #124 of 1470 🔗

A mandatory vaccine isn’t a good idea if we all get chronic cancer from it in 10 – 15 years times. There’s a reason things like this shouldn’t be rushed.
I certainly won’t have a vaccine for a virus which is unlikely to affect me.

228523 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Richard Davies, 1, #125 of 1470 🔗

The trials are not going well either. There have been deaths, long term neurolgical conditions appeared in two volunteers etc etc.

227733 A Heretic, replying to A Heretic, 15, #126 of 1470 🔗

“it’s all about protecting the Conservative Party’s brand with an eye on the next General Election.”

really? who in their right mind would vote for either major party after this shit-show?

227739 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to A Heretic, #127 of 1470 🔗

Right now, I’d be happy to be able to vote again. Doesn’t look that likely, imho.

227819 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to JohnB, #128 of 1470 🔗

Elections were cancelled. Have people forgotten? Or is it that they think the cancellation of democracy was merely temporary? If it is the latter, I would invite them to recall how so many temporary measures have had the ability to persist for decades or even centuries. Moreover, we would any of the current holders of elected public office realistically think that the electorate is desperately waiting to cast their vote for them?

227734 Sceptic in Oxford, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 45, #129 of 1470 🔗

I can barely contain my contempt at these utter buffoons. Morons. Incompetents. Imbeciles. I am furious.

The tories always think “party before country” but they are way, way off if they seriously think that we’ll forget this and vote for them again.

For Labour, Iraq and immigration did for them.

For the Tories, it’s this and the myriad of things it effects.

Do they seriously think that they’re “protecting the NHS”?

Haven’t they read about the backlog in the NHS already of cancer patients, heart disease patients, 50,000 postponed childrens operations, hip/knee/cataract operations delayed, the impact on mental health, suicides up from an average of 25 a day to 37 a day?

The biggest backlog on waiting lists the NHS has ever had!!

They are worse than incompetent every which way you look: health, education (wreaked by this), the economy (ditto), immigration (now at an all time high), free speech (trampled), right to protest (no – we’ll arrest you if there’s more than 2 of you).

I absolutely loathe them. LOATHE them.

Never, ever again will I ever vote for the Tories. I gave up with Labour years ago.

Horrified, incandescent and disgusted doesn’t cover it.

227746 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 7, #130 of 1470 🔗

When it comes to elections it looks like you are joining the Peter Hitchens ‘none of the above’ voter category. Unless something surprising happens?

227754 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 4, #132 of 1470 🔗

you failed to mention the dentistry disaster too !

227756 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 11, #133 of 1470 🔗

Never, ever again will I ever vote for the Tories. I gave up with Labour years ago .”

Welcome to the ranks of the unrepresented. Where do we go now?

UKIP provided a temporary home while the EU was the big issue, but longer term, we just have to hope parties like Heritage, Reform and Reclaim can step up to replace the useless “Conservatives”. Only about two decades too late, but still…

227760 ▶▶▶ Sceptic in Oxford, replying to Mark, 5, #134 of 1470 🔗

Probably Reform party.

227763 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, #135 of 1470 🔗

I’m waiting to see where the various options I mentioned end up on the important issues.

227764 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Mark, 4, #136 of 1470 🔗

Unfortunately, the media lambast any new incumbents with all kinds of labels (racist/ islamaphobe/ populist/ far right etc.) and the sheeple go back into their two party state station.

227770 ▶▶▶▶ Sceptic in Oxford, replying to JHuntz, 5, #137 of 1470 🔗

I’m past caring now. I think lots of people are, hence the referendum and Brexit party results.

227758 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 5, #138 of 1470 🔗

Likewise, I was in an actual rage just reading that “government is terrified” passage. It makes a whole lot of sense but shows they are playing politics with peoples life’s.

227766 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 5, #139 of 1470 🔗

Everything is going according to plan. Look at Victoria for a preview.

… unless enough people decide they want an end to it.

227881 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 2, #140 of 1470 🔗

I don’t think I will ever vote again. Corruption, lies and deceit however you vote.

228162 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, #141 of 1470 🔗

It’s a shame that former Labour voters didn’t listen to traditional Tory voters. We could have told you already that they aren’t fit for office.

228486 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 2, #142 of 1470 🔗

Let’s just remember that NHS backlogs are created by the Consultants a lot of the time. Although they are paid huge salaries to be full time employees of the NHS, they do, in fact, spend over 55% of their time doing lucrative private work which they prioritise over NHS work. They take all the money but use NHS facilities and nurses for which they don’t have to pay a penny and guess what, the NHS allows them to do it too.

It would be worth making an FOI request for some of this information. I’ll do it myself. I wonder how many private operations they did during the period the NHS was effectively shut from March to July and still now with a lot of GPs not seeing patients face to face.

229083 ▶▶ right2question, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, #143 of 1470 🔗

i’m so with you all the way with every word !!!!!

227735 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 22, #144 of 1470 🔗

PMQs – Bozo just admitted that there is reputable scientific opinion against lockdowns, mentioning Nabarro. Wow.

227737 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #145 of 1470 🔗

Wow indeed. A significant crack in the dam.

227740 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to JohnB, 3, #146 of 1470 🔗

He was responding to a labour accusation that 12000 deaths by Christmas, according to models, that would have been avoided by earlier lockdown. I really thought for a moment he was going to admit the models were bollx!

227913 ▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Charlie Blue, #147 of 1470 🔗

Labour only care if the people who died were here illegally

228476 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Adam, 7, #148 of 1470 🔗

Stalin Starmer isn’t mounting any opposition to anything. He’s just waiting to become the next Dictator. The man hasn’t got an ounce of integrity anywhere. He was appalling as the DPP. Mark my word too, he’ll be ten times worse than Johnson. I’m a lifelong Labour voter but I am never going to vote Labour again while this piece of shit is its Leader. I suggest he looks up the dictionary definition of OPPOSITION.

228578 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Jo Dominich -, #149 of 1470 🔗

Spot on.

227738 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to Charlie Blue, 14, #150 of 1470 🔗

Well done for watching the blonde cretin. I can`t stand the sight or sound of the fat useless blob.

227742 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to nickbowes, 9, #151 of 1470 🔗

Thanks. Happy to take this one for the team after a very restorative walk with the dogs . Couldn’t do the same if it involved MH.

227803 ▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #152 of 1470 🔗

Well done, Charlie. I’ve been out dog walking all morning and it really boosts the mental health but I still don’t have the stamina to watch that!

228969 ▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Charlie Blue, #153 of 1470 🔗

Dog walks always help me feel a bit better. But I still can’t stand the sight nor sound of dePiffle, even for 3 seconds. Very strong immediate mental and physical reaction. Thanks Charlie for taking the strain for us.

227755 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to nickbowes, 1, #154 of 1470 🔗

Ain’t even a natural blonde, he’s that false.

227846 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #155 of 1470 🔗

Please don’t tell me how you know that, FP!

228371 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Sam Vimes, #156 of 1470 🔗

His sister says so.

227912 ▶▶▶ Adam, replying to nickbowes, #157 of 1470 🔗

LMAO fat useless blob

227743 Hieronimusb, replying to Hieronimusb, 8, #158 of 1470 🔗

The dictionary defines a ‘valance’ as ‘ a length of decorative drapery attached to the canopy or frame of a bed in order to screen the structure or the space beneath it’ i.e. a deliberate disguise or concealment. The additional second consonant in ‘vallance’ is clearly just a further attempt at subterfuge.The graph in the following link is of considerable importance here when viewed in context:


I was born within the sound of Bow Bells and my grandmother taught me as a small child to use ‘Professor Whitty’ as Cockney rhyming slang for Walter Mitty, although at the time I had no idea what she was talking about.

I could go on but should probably resist the temptation.

227858 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Hieronimusb, #159 of 1470 🔗

lovely work with your dictionary, Mr b

227747 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 34, #160 of 1470 🔗

Forget about protecting the NHS; it’s all about protecting the Conservative Party’s brand with an eye on the next General Election.

No chance. Never vote conservative again.

Labour is also dead. Failed to be proper opposition and failed to protect workers rights and jobs.

227767 ▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to Victoria, 11, #161 of 1470 🔗

Don’t these tory morons realise that damaging the society, freedoms and economy and other health factors in Britain will demolish the conservative party brand more than seeing some patients on hospital trollies

As you said both main parties are dead – difficult to see them resurrecting without the mother of all apologies – contrition and a genuine understanding that the did wrong things – I do not think that politicians are capable of genuine contrition

227909 ▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Aslangeo, #162 of 1470 🔗

I don’t get the working class voting for the Conservative party Labour is Tory lite nowadays https://www.sdp.org.uk

227773 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Victoria, 6, #163 of 1470 🔗

Correct. No one who cares about people could advocate this.

And it’s bad politics, Starmer has a chance to change the tide, save jobs and reduce inequality by showing some intellectual leadership arguing the other side.

But he’s still on the ‘chase the virus’ agenda. So unimaginative.

228082 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Victoria, 1, #165 of 1470 🔗

Basically what I wrote to Keir Starmer yesterday in my role as a now former Labour voter. Unless they backtrack and start acting like proper human beings again. Unlikely.

228120 ▶▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Victoria, 3, #166 of 1470 🔗

Yes I have been puzzling over this for a few days since Labour announced their support of Lockdown 2.0. I simply don’t understand the Labour Party’s position on this, both from a supposed position as opposition party or the people they claim to represent.

They are supposed to stand up for the “working person” yet here they are advocating the trashing of the livelihoods of the very people they purport to represent.

The only thing that I would add to Mr Hitchens tweet, is: Why should the Conservative Party survive this?

I can only imagine that the Labour Party as per the cliche like to keep the poor poor to ensure a continual flow of supplicant voters.

I just don’t get it.

228157 ▶▶▶▶▶ Michael Freeman, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 3, #167 of 1470 🔗

Yes, I noticed that in the debate. Labour decried the destruction of livelihoods and the hardships that will result. So stop voting for this then !

228144 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to jhfreedom, 1, #168 of 1470 🔗

So unimaginative… or so bought?
Stupidity doesn’t explain this.

Official Opposition votes with the gov to destroy civilized life and the only opposition comes from within the government’s own party.

228469 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Victoria, 5, #169 of 1470 🔗

Labour were an absolute disgrace this afternoon. Starmer was the biggest brown noser in the room. He’s so far up Johnson’s backside I doubt whether he can see through all the shit.

228973 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Victoria, #170 of 1470 🔗

Spot on.

227749 tinxx, replying to tinxx, 9, #171 of 1470 🔗

Boris Johnson just told us that 70% of Covid-19 transmission comes from asymptomatic carriers… just let that sink in. Now explain £12bn track and trace policy.

227762 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to tinxx, 14, #172 of 1470 🔗

I have not been watching, but I would be prepared to bet that he did not cite any scientific empirical research to support the claim.

I suspect, he does not know that the World Health Organisation has publicly stated that asymptomatic transmission is very rare and they were unable to cite even one definite case.

227765 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to tinxx, 5, #173 of 1470 🔗

Mad hatter. Asymptomatic means no virus, means no chance of infecting others. This is 101 of viruses

227805 ▶▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Victoria, 4, #174 of 1470 🔗

Quite. No symptoms equals no virus infection. How on earth can you pass on a “no infection”!

227771 ▶▶ leggy, replying to tinxx, 3, #175 of 1470 🔗

Is there any proof at all that asymptomatic persons can transmit a respiratory virus? I thought the opposite.

But you’re question right about T&T when they’re asking only those with symptoms to present for testing.

227862 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to leggy, #176 of 1470 🔗

I caught a bug last year without knowingly being with a person with symptoms much to my bewilderment. I tend to think presymptomatic transmission more likely than asymptomatic. The next cold I caught was likely from someone who coughed near me all evening which is usually how I catch unwelcome bugs.

227821 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to tinxx, 6, #177 of 1470 🔗

What crap, man is a loon. How did he (allegedly) catch it, from his asymptomatic communist plant girlfriend??

If asymptomatic people transmitted a virus the whole population would alway be sick.

Any journalist with a pea brain can see this is bollocks

227959 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to tinxx, 3, #178 of 1470 🔗

China doesnt even count asymptomatic cases. We actively spend billions hunting for them.

228316 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to tinxx, 2, #179 of 1470 🔗

If that’s true, why did Chris Whitty say yesterday to the Science Committee that testing asymptomatic people was not a priority?

DT live feed (yesterday)

Prof Chris Whitty has now been asked about testing capacity and whether asymptomatic individuals should have access to tests.

Whitty says the latter group are not necessarily a priority. Instead a key reason to increase capacity for test and trace is to ensure that everyone who has symptoms through the winter period can access testing .

Also, as was posted by Toby while discussing mass testing in Liverpool, and as Steve Hayes mentions above:

Part of the rationale for mass testing is that it will identify asymptomatic carriers and they will be forced to self-isolate for 14 days, thereby reducing the risk that they’ll infect anyone. But according to the WHO, there’s very little evidence that asymptomatic carriers can transmit the disease. At a WHO press conference on June 8th, Dr Maria Van Kerkhove, the WHO’s technical lead on COVID-19, said:

We have a number of reports from countries who are doing very detailed contact tracing. They’re following asymptomatic cases, they’re following contacts and they’re not finding secondary transmission onward. It’s very rare and much of that is not published in the literature.

228464 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to tinxx, 1, #180 of 1470 🔗

How does anyone know this is a fact? You can’t be asymptomatic you either have it in which case you have symptoms or you don’t which means you don’t have symptoms. Idiot. They’re making this shit show up as they go along. First it was flatten the curve in three weeks, 95% of people won’t get it, blah blah blah, then it was it was being spread by ‘super spreaders’ who infected a lot of people they know just by being in contact with them, then it was children and young people being carriers (the population group that actually has more chance of being hit on the head by something dropping out of space than contracting this), then when all these excuses failed because they couldn’t prove it and couldn’t keep up the pretence of the alleged virus being out of control, it is now oh well, it’s being spread by people who are asymptomatic. What’s the next excuse going to be? Completely evidence free assumptions, all of them.

It strikes me that the majority of countries taking draconian measures are all members of NATO or like Hungary and Poland, Orban and whoever it is in Poland have created Fascist states already with both declaring themselves Dictators (almost) with far reaching powers and not being able to be voted out. Orban happens to be very pally with Johnson.

£12bn track and trace? Cummings and a Tory MP have made a fortune

227752 Julian Wilkinson, 14, #181 of 1470 🔗

Vallance and particularly Whitty repeatedly used “doubling” and “exponential” (similar meanings) when referring to the growth in cases, admissions and deaths. This at the same time as showing graphs with peaks and discussing the likely magnitude of those peaks. EXPONENTIALS DO NOT HAVE PEAKS. It’s mathematical nonsense and anyone with a basic scientific education should know this. These clowns are complete frauds, but no-one calls them out on it. Pathetic.

227757 Poppy, replying to Poppy, 34, #182 of 1470 🔗

Good update today. Especially liked Toby’s paragraph about how the govt all know this is a sham now and they’re just saving face. The wheels are falling off the bus good and proper now. It’s just so obvious. I remember so vividly back on 13th March discussing the situation with my mum after the press conference, both agreeing that the UK would take a sensible approach and there’s no way they’d shut down the country for 3 weeks (let alone 8 MONTHS) because it’d be too disruptive given the risk balance. When you look back over how ludicrous things have become you realise that the mockdown just doesn’t stand up to scientific scrutiny or even plain common sense.

In addition to my post about driving lessons being cancelled the other day, I’ve managed to buy a fab second-hand car at a great price from an independent local garage so I can keep practising over the mockdown. Finally got my own car (which I’ve wanted for a while, I need the private practice) and supporting small local businesses as well. Let’s hope this financial risk has a big reward and I can pass my test next summer. My bf will probs want to steal my car anyway seeing as he had to sell his own recently…!

227782 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Poppy, 8, #183 of 1470 🔗

Agreed Poppy, this was definitely a positive update today. It’s an absolute farce and i’m glad to see the government appears to be falling apart, good riddance to them all.
Well done on the new car some good news after the exam cancellation set back!

227796 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to JHuntz, 6, #184 of 1470 🔗

Agreed and when can we prosecute them and put them in the stocks? I’ll be saving up rotten vegetables for a good honest pelting, I’m so disgusted.

228128 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to JHuntz, 3, #185 of 1470 🔗

I just don’t see that happening. The government has been shown to have the most extraordinary power. This isn’t a fiasco that’s going to fall apart, we are caught in iron jaws and few complain and fewer still fight.

There is no NO ground for hope or complacency. Do all you can every day!

228159 ▶▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Rosie, 1, #186 of 1470 🔗

“This isn’t a fiasco that’s going to fall apart…”
Not yet.
Rest assured, it will.
And then, the public mood will turn and ask for scapegoats, revenge and satisfaction at the same time.
It’s intertwined, as this is a human and psychological necessity for the people.

227804 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Poppy, 2, #187 of 1470 🔗

Great to hear about your car Poppy. At the time the “sensible approach” seemed way too good to be true when the dominoes were falling by country and my increasingly hysterical colleagues were demanding that everything must be shut down. I expected Doris would cave within a week, didn’t even take that long.

227884 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Poppy, 1, #188 of 1470 🔗

Glad you were able to make something good happen from something crappy. I’m sure you’ll pass the test next time after so much practice!

229021 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Poppy, 1, #189 of 1470 🔗

Hi Poppy not sure where you live (staffs here) but my female partner is going to continue doing driving lessons over lockdown and all her pupils have taken up the offer. Neither her nor the pupil wears a mask either…they love it! Let me know if you want lessons.

227759 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 22, #190 of 1470 🔗

So Boris & chums are going to incinerate the economy… to save their political careers? Even on its own terms this plan doesn’t make any sense.

227778 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to mattghg, 5, #191 of 1470 🔗

Reminds me of a certain C20 dictator’s “scorched earth” policy.

“If the British people refuse to win the fight against the virus, then they do not deserve our leadership and wisdom, burn the country down!”

227794 ▶▶ Mark, replying to mattghg, 8, #192 of 1470 🔗

As is usually the case, it makes sense if you accept their premises.

They believe they would get blamed politically for “covid deaths” and “collapsing NHS” stories, and that such blame would stick and be electorally harmful, for may years. They are almost certainly correct in that – hysterical anti-“Conservative” bullshit about the NHS has been standard in the media and in our politics for nearly half a century, after all, and the social and media elites were pretty much united in their hysterical screaming about herd immunity being mass murder etc etc back in March.

They also believe that responsibility for economic and other effects from lockdown, however much more harmful, can be more easily evaded, and will be forgotten over the next four years, while they argue endlessly that “everyone did the same”, “we had to do it to avert disaster”, etc.

You and I might question their opinion on that, but it doesn’t change the fact that it is (apparently) their belief.

227833 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Mark, 5, #193 of 1470 🔗

It makes perfect sense to me and is entirely plausible – at least as plausible as any other theory.

228592 ▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Mark, 1, #194 of 1470 🔗

Remember that news item around the time of the last election about the 12 year old lying on the floor in hospital waiting for treatment, and the media storm that followed?

I think a lot of the current nonsense can be traced back to that single event.

228835 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to charleyfarley, #195 of 1470 🔗

That was a particularly egregious example, but I think there has been something like that in almost every election I can remember, and those running “Conservative” Party strategy have been running scared of NHS fearmongering propaganda for 25 years or more, now. So, yes, I think there’s a very real truth in what you suggest.

227841 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to mattghg, 5, #196 of 1470 🔗

It makes complete sense. They have made a very visible complete cockup and all they can do is repeat because it’s too embarrassing to admit they were wrong. Long term it’s stupid because we know what they are up to and will remember the pain of lockdown at election time. They don’t feel that pain with their closeted rich lives taxpayer funded. The only pain they can see is photos of hospitals overflowing.

227844 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to thinkaboutit, #197 of 1470 🔗

Long term it’s stupid ” – yes, that’s my point.

228447 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to thinkaboutit, 3, #198 of 1470 🔗

Johnson gave a ‘cast iron guarantee’ to Parliament today that Lockdown would definitely end on 2nd December and Parliament would have a vote on what next. Cast iron guarantee from a pathological liar?

227900 ▶▶ Adam, replying to mattghg, 1, #199 of 1470 🔗

Get Boris out.com

227768 JohnB, replying to JohnB, 4, #200 of 1470 🔗

Someone in the corridors of power obviously feels Toby is significantly influential to be worth misleading. That is a huge compliment.

You have still purchased a young dog, though mate.

227822 ▶▶ Arkansas, replying to JohnB, #201 of 1470 🔗


227830 ▶▶ Julian, replying to JohnB, #202 of 1470 🔗

Not sure I am quite getting what you mean. Can you spell it out?

227847 ▶▶▶ Gladiatrix, replying to Julian, 2, #203 of 1470 🔗

He’s saying Toby has been sold a pup. I.e. led up the garden path.

227872 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Gladiatrix, #204 of 1470 🔗

I see. Maybe. We may never know. I found it quite plausible – one of a number of plausible explanations.

227875 ▶▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Gladiatrix, 1, #205 of 1470 🔗


228118 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Gladiatrix, 1, #206 of 1470 🔗

On what topic? Which pup?

228461 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Gladiatrix, #207 of 1470 🔗

Yes, they saw him coming! MW

227779 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 31, #208 of 1470 🔗

Update on redundancies: John Lewis to lose 1,500 jobs.

227789 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Fingerache Philip., 7, #209 of 1470 🔗

The highstreets was collapsing anyway/ serves them right they were too expensive/ they obviously didn’t save for a rainy day/ there is good jobs going in Amazon.

Any one of the above of the above will do for the zealots. Move along nothing to see here..

227817 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Fingerache Philip., 17, #210 of 1470 🔗

Very sad but what did John Lewis expect?

Their shops have become dystopian hell holes. They lost a sale from me because I couldn’t try on coats so in the end I bought a vintage one off eBay and spent far less even after taking the coat to a seamstress to have it reduced in length.

Had they fought the government from the beginning and said they weren’t going to implement any of the insane diktats, they wouldn’t necessarily have to make 1,500 people redundant.

If threatened with fines and closure, refuse and allow it to go to court. Keep them busy for the next 10,000 years.

John Lewis have reap what they’ve sown.

227827 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #211 of 1470 🔗

There is a group of clothes stores called Leading labels who sell old stock,etc merchandise from Roman and other high street shops and there has never been any problems with trying on clothes and right up to the latest madness have been very busy.

227854 ▶▶▶ Bumble, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #212 of 1470 🔗

Like M and S before them, John Lewis lost the plot years ago. Tried to be something they weren’t and alienated core customers.

228543 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Bumble, 1, #213 of 1470 🔗

Trying too hard to be trendy and chasing the yoof market was never going to work for both.

227856 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #214 of 1470 🔗

So true. I stopped shopping at Waitrose due to their overzealous mask enforcement policy. Now very happy with Ocado (never thought i would get my groceries delivered)

227895 ▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #215 of 1470 🔗

I needed a replacement kitchen knife, knew exactly what I wanted so went onto JL to order one.

They do not sell knives online, in store only. My nearest JL is approx. 40 miles away, so someone who does sell kitchen knives online will get the business… Lakeland, Amazon etc.

I liked JL because I can order online and collect at my local Waitrose.

Do thugs who want to buy a kitchen knife for nefarious purposes really shop at JL?

228534 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Dave #KBF, 1, #216 of 1470 🔗

Hear, hear. My kitchen knife conked out early during this lockdown so went to JL to order one. To my horror, they didn’t deliver knives.

Instead I went to Amazon and had no problems.

I seriously doubt a thug would be caught dead in John Lewis.

227958 ▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #217 of 1470 🔗

It’s only now that the CBI is starting to wake up. Too late.

The problem in Britain (and Europe) is that many believe ‘business’ and ‘the economy’ can be subjugated at any moment, when in fact those two thing are what PAYS for everything including social welfare etc.

At least in America there is a proper debate going on now about this.

228542 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to jhfreedom, 2, #218 of 1470 🔗

Yep. And where is the British Retail Consortium in all this? They should have been leading the fight back from the word go.

227887 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Fingerache Philip., 7, #219 of 1470 🔗

More shops closed now for good in my local High St. Utter devastation. All for seasonal flu. How can these idiots collaborate with these killers?

227906 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Mutineer, 2, #220 of 1470 🔗

They are part of the “I’m alright, Jack” brigade.

227950 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Fingerache Philip., 7, #221 of 1470 🔗

Collaborators – brilliant, I must use that term much more.

227982 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to jhfreedom, 2, #222 of 1470 🔗

Thank you, there’s Lockdown Lackeys and Maskateers as well

228004 ▶▶▶▶ Mrs issedoff, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #223 of 1470 🔗

Love those, two more for me to use when I’m fighting the good fight and trying to spread the word to whoever will listen. The problem I am finding is that too many people have that stick your fingers in your ears and sing la la la attitude and it will all go away!.

228427 ▶▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Fingerache Philip., #224 of 1470 🔗

Collaborators sounds more sinister and dramatic!!

227783 Aslangeo, replying to Aslangeo, #225 of 1470 🔗

Comparison of late October health situation by English Region – Hospital Patients , Hospital Admissions and fatalities – averaged over the last five available days based on data on government dashboard

Key points – NW is in some difficulty, but fatalities are 28% of April maximum.
Yorkshire and Midlands are becoming more challenging, with SW also worsening recently
London, SE and East are at low levels

227788 ▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to Aslangeo, 2, #226 of 1470 🔗

Is that not just pretty standard for the time of year?

227957 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Jakehadlee, #227 of 1470 🔗

That’s exactly why such analysis, as nice as it is, is in a vacuum.

227784 jhfreedom, replying to jhfreedom, 9, #228 of 1470 🔗

I’ve become a bit obsessed with what can be got away with this coming month – breaching, enforcement, FPNs etc.

Anyone care to lay out whether ‘their friends’ will be seeing people and how they will mitigate getting caught and what their views are on snitches, fines, police willingness to enforce v. resources etc.?

227786 ▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to jhfreedom, 21, #229 of 1470 🔗

Snitches get stitches – that’s my view on them. I will be ignoring all lockdown measures and have no intention of stopping seeing people.

227892 ▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Jakehadlee, 2, #230 of 1470 🔗

Really heart-warming, folks. There are good, no-nonsense people in the world.

One important aspect is if you are employed, particularly if you are a regulated professional, what are the implications of receiving an FPN?

It is not a criminal record if paid, but it could come up in a future enhanced records check and could be seen to bring your profession or integrity into question. This has implications for solicitors and financial professionals, but the question is how on earth would it come to light in the first place?

227910 ▶▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to jhfreedom, #231 of 1470 🔗

FPN is the same as an FPN for parking it is regulation not a law. How can you get a ‘criminal record’ for something that does not involve breaking the law.

227928 ▶▶▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Iansn, #232 of 1470 🔗

You are right, you can’t, but it COULD show up in the ‘other’ section of an enhanced employment check, at the discretion of the police force receiving the check application.

I am probably being completely paranoid.

Basically many holes in the cheese need to line up to get into real trouble for breaking lockdown:

Detection > Police allocate triage > Police attendance > Police not accepting excuse > Police choose to enforce rather than explain the three Es > Police arrest or CPS prosecute directly rather than FPN on the spot > Lose subsequent court trial > Criminal record

228585 ▶▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to jhfreedom, #233 of 1470 🔗

It’s unlikely that it would ever come to the notice of the professional body and if it did you’d have a strong argument that it doesn’t impact on the right to practice, just like a speeding ticket.

227793 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to jhfreedom, 21, #234 of 1470 🔗

Anything short of large loud parties will not attract any attention.

On the off chance that a police officer stops you, ‘I’m going to work’, ‘I’m going to the shops’, ‘I’m going to look after a child’ etc etc.

Snitches can go to hell.

227795 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to jhfreedom, 11, #235 of 1470 🔗

I actually ignored it all last time, son came to visit, he ignored it all so expecting it to be the same.

227820 ▶▶ l835, replying to jhfreedom, 9, #236 of 1470 🔗

Completely ignored the last one, ignored the Welsh one. Shop without a mask, see friends as usual. So far so good, have been shopping with PC’s and PCSO’s Purchased goods from the naughty list. I know my actions have killed millions…

227826 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to jhfreedom, 15, #237 of 1470 🔗

I’m ignoring all these regulations for the sake of my mental health.

227865 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #238 of 1470 🔗

That is my position too, Bart. Totally.
This morning I booked train tickets to Edinburgh for Saturday, and a ticket to the National Gallery of Scotland. After enjoying the paintings, I shall find somewhere nice for lunch, and then engage in some light shopping before returning home.

227835 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to jhfreedom, 7, #239 of 1470 🔗

Ignoring it all. Rules made by charlatans and fools.

227849 ▶▶ Cbird, replying to jhfreedom, 1, #240 of 1470 🔗

Mine certainly will. Essential for their mental health (what’s left of it)

227852 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to jhfreedom, 6, #241 of 1470 🔗

The trouble is that for a number of things I normally do, the possibility is closed by the lock-down, swimming pools, pubs, village hall all shut.

227871 ▶▶ Sophie123, replying to jhfreedom, 1, #242 of 1470 🔗

I’m still hoping to go on holiday. I am intrigued as to how they might try to stop me. This isn’t North Korea (yet).

228438 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Sophie123, 1, #243 of 1470 🔗

I strongly suspect the North Korean’s have a great deal more freedom than we do at the present, less propaganda and less draconian censorship than we at the moment. Might be worth taking a holiday there!

227878 ▶▶ bucky99, replying to jhfreedom, 3, #244 of 1470 🔗

We certainly will be visiting friends and having others over. Even easier now it’ll be dark (not that it made any difference for us last time round).

What are the police going to do – without a warrant, not much. Reckon they’ll have bigger problems to focus on.

227994 ▶▶ Mrs issedoff, replying to jhfreedom, 10, #245 of 1470 🔗

I will be seeing who ever will see me!. When my son was leaving yesterday, he had been staying for a few days, I told him in no uncertain terms that he had to come and visit regardless of the idiotic rules. He believes that his Mum is a big rebel, I am as it happens and it feels good. When I walk around my area and see all the masked up sheep (since when has it been compulsary outside?!) I feel superior and smug in the knowledge that they are knob heads.

228569 ▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to jhfreedom, 2, #246 of 1470 🔗

Irrelevant for me. I am ignoring this lockdown just as I ignored the last one. I will not give succour to the criminal gang of psychopaths who are removing my fundamental rights.


227785 JHuntz, replying to JHuntz, 1, #247 of 1470 🔗

What does this mean Northumbrian. Is it suggesting drop due to Biden possible win?

227802 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to JHuntz, 1, #248 of 1470 🔗

Haha that’s hilarious. deserve everything they get. Thanks for sharing.

227896 ▶▶▶ Adam, replying to JHuntz, 3, #249 of 1470 🔗

Lots of people in Britain deserve what’s coming to them for giving Johnson his undeserved 80 seat majority last December, I am good at spotting a bullshitter

227790 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 13, #250 of 1470 🔗

Saw GP this morning; he asked me who would win Biden or The Donald,to which I replied-with the caveat that he might be shocked by my reply-I’m backing The Donald.

Short silence,then he wanted to know why: Democrats have lurched too far to the left, Biden apparently has Alzheimer’s and gender-bending and open borders have no appeal for the mass of ordinary folk in the US , regardless of racial origins.

He looked surprised but thoughtful and wondered what an 8 year Biden term would be like.

Zimmer frames ahoy I suggested.

I finished on a reckless note-too old to care now-: as a doctor why did he think that so many people want to change sex, and would I be removed from the practice list?

Jovial but food for thought and bare face as well!

227799 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to wendyk, 7, #251 of 1470 🔗

He also wants to lock the country down/ phase out oil/ fracking industry and is a certifiable creep around children. What were people voting for?

227813 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to JHuntz, 4, #252 of 1470 🔗

Exactly! I’m glad to have sown a few heretical seeds at the local GP practice though; I think many professionals in the UK are automatically on the Biden/Democrat wavelength and absorb all that the MSM spews out about The Donald.

227954 ▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to wendyk, 10, #253 of 1470 🔗

I’ve just been to the local farmers’ market and at each stall when asked Hello, how are you? I decided to initiate chats about the lockdown and throw in a few choice facts. I don’t know the stall holders but from today I’m so COMPLETELY CONVINCED my country is going to hell my mission is to spread the word to every human being with a face.

The fruit & veg Man = full on sceptic. Has an 88 yr old mum who makes no bones about not complying. Laughs off being tagged a conspiracy theorist because it’s all lies. He got up at 5 and saw the sun rising over the Downs and was amazed how it turned the sheep golden yellow. He holds on to that. That’s what we need he says. I agree. See you soon my lovely!

The fish lady = on the fence, but happy to listen. Likes to be paid in cash. Most worried where it’s going with bank cards only. Agrees that the cure is worse than the virus.

The bread man = not really with it enough to discuss politics. Comes up really close and stoops down to put my bread rolls in my bag, and presses my change slowly into my palm. Strangely nostalgic.

Young Designer tea seller = On the edge, very upset by the 3 suicides he knows of. What did he think about Whitty & Vallance cooking the books? No idea who they are, ‘ I don’t listen any more’ (he thought I said ‘Priti’) I told him about the terrible London suicide data and the KBF march in Brighton on Saturday. ‘Sounds good’.

Soapseller = Full on believer,‘ Well what can we do? Just got to go along with it haven’t we?’

Now for the supermarket ……

227984 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Marialta, 3, #254 of 1470 🔗

Good luck!

228063 ▶▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Marialta, 1, #255 of 1470 🔗

Well done and for having the patience…..

228108 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Marialta, 1, #256 of 1470 🔗

Marialta, well done, this is basically what I was doing this today and what we all need to do, for exactly the reasons she gives. May I please urge you all to follow her example.

Otherwise get onto social media and choose your target. For example tell the vicars and priests to do their duty. Hold services in full vestments without the mask and dare the authorities to arrest them. Follow the example of Thomas a Becket. Are the government really going to tolerate the photographs of many vicars being taken away from their altars in handcuffs?

For good measure have an organist and choir and dare them to arrest the lot. For good measure, register them as a business and ’employ’ the congregation.

Someone explained to me today that the tipping point here is 10% You really would think that 10% of vicars, priests and ministers would be able to take a stand if goaded into it and they thought people want it.

So it’s getting dark now, let your fingers do the walking and set to work. With Remembrance Sunday coming up it’s a golden opportunity to tell them what their nation expects them to do.

A tiny number of Wokists on social media can make people change their ways, so we need to enter the fray and overwhelm them with numbers.

227811 ▶▶ DRW, replying to wendyk, #257 of 1470 🔗

Biden probably wouldn’t last 4 years, let alone 8.

227806 Eddy, 1, #259 of 1470 🔗
227807 Stephen, replying to Stephen, 14, #260 of 1470 🔗

Toby’s comment about Downing Street gossip sounds very credible.

Madeleine Grant wrote a very perceptive article comparing the governments response to COVID with America in the Vietnam War. It is a sensible comparison in the sense that it was waged in highly technocratic way, and led by very smart people who completely missed the point that they could not win.

Toby’s analysis feels even more appropriate. They realise that this is a hopeless fight but they are all in so deep that they have no choice other than to double down. There is no exit route that they can think of that is not politically embarrassing, so it just continues. In many ways this resembles the First World War.

227812 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to Stephen, 9, #261 of 1470 🔗

Yet, every country in the world is doubling down on this lunacy. Biden will make masks mandatory. I fear, there is no end.

227815 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to nickbowes, 10, #262 of 1470 🔗


The French are starting to resist,and they’re very good at mass protests.

227816 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to nickbowes, 2, #263 of 1470 🔗

Mind you, if you looked like him, wouldn’t you want to make masks mandatory?!

227902 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to nickbowes, 5, #264 of 1470 🔗

I don’t believe Biden can mandate masks nationally. I think this is up to the states to decide. That’s not to say we shouldn’t be worried given his mask and lockdown fetish!

227918 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to nickbowes, 3, #265 of 1470 🔗

Not sure he can do that, state rights are a delicate constitutional area and the red state governors would definitely challenge via the Supreme Court.

227860 ▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to Stephen, 1, #266 of 1470 🔗

Yes, I think it is entirely credible.

227889 ▶▶ john, replying to Stephen, 4, #267 of 1470 🔗

Agree. this is exactly like WW1, Vietnam and, to a lesser extent, the Bay of Pigs. All the dangers we were taught about, such as group think and escalation of commitment are highly evident. There’s no way out for leaders, so they just double down on a failed strategy thinking if they do it more, it must work, because they didn’t do it hard enough the first time. A vaccine won’t help as its not a miracle cure, in the same way that effective treatments which have reduced the mortality (dexamethasone etc) haven’t changed the strategy. The only glimmer of hope (and i’m not a Trump fan at all) is that Trump wins (looks very likely now) and shouts “The emperor has no clothes”. The left were desperate for him to die of Covid to prove a point, and honestly thought that the virtue signaling of wearing masks would attract votes. They were too wrapped up in their own importance to realise a mask is not a sign of strength, its a sign of submission – a matter of fact even if you try to spin it another way. Biden’s mask wearing lost him the election, in my opinion…

227908 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to john, #268 of 1470 🔗

Neither Biden or Trump have lost yet.

227809 Voz 0db, 2, #269 of 1470 🔗

The rigour of these tests matters

Clearly IT DOES NOT!

Till the time of this comment there IS NO GOLD STANDARD for anything…

So keep enjoying the Destruction of our lives… And most of all, DO NOTHING! That’s what They are counting on (with the help of this very tool I’m writing this comment on! Ironic…)

227810 Eddy, 3, #270 of 1470 🔗
227824 Eddy, 11, #271 of 1470 🔗

The democratic structure is being trashed in front of our eyes on both sides of the pond.

227825 chaos, replying to chaos, 6, #272 of 1470 🔗

The engineer came through in the end…

I cannot support this second lockdownThe PM is doing what he thinks is best for public health, yet the modelling is much too uncertain

227843 ▶▶ TJN, replying to chaos, 1, #273 of 1470 🔗

Yes, is he the only engineering degree in the Commons??

227848 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to TJN, 2, #274 of 1470 🔗

He’s the only one I am aware of with an engineering degree.

Out of 650 MPS, only around 5 or 6 MP’s have an engineering degree.

227921 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to chaos, 2, #275 of 1470 🔗

Surprised it’s that many.

Politics needs more engineers! (says an engineer)

228555 ▶▶▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to TJN, 1, #276 of 1470 🔗

Agreed, Most of our problems are the result of being governed by arts graduates.

If they were all stem graduates the world as it is now would be unrecognisable (I mean better!)

227829 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 7, #277 of 1470 🔗

Dear Dr Whitford, https://www.psychologycounts.com/

I suspect that the SNP MPs will abstain from this vote, but I urge you to reconsider and vote against it.

Please also read the article linked above, as I’m sure that you, as an experienced doctor, will find its conclusions valid and troubling.

Please also reply to the points raised in my most recent email.

The endless isolation and the constant ramping up and amending of the various restrictions is ,to put it colloquially, doing my head in.

The depression which has plagued me intermittently for so many years has now returned, accompanied by mounting frustration and an overwhelming sense of futility and redundancy.

Please, please listen to the voices in the political and social wilderness which are speaking out and attempting to resist the slide into the dangerous territory of government by decree.

Yours sincerely,

My fourth email to local MP; guess what-no reply!

227831 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to wendyk, 1, #278 of 1470 🔗

Same here, not a peep out of my SNP MP

227836 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to stefarm, 2, #279 of 1470 🔗

The Cult rules; freedom of thought not allowed.

227952 ▶▶ Locked down and out, replying to wendyk, 2, #280 of 1470 🔗

The SNP should not be voting at all in my view or even speaking in the debate. This is an England-only matter and is eff-all to do with Scotland.

227995 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Locked down and out, 2, #281 of 1470 🔗

A valid point, but those of us up here who languish under the SNP cult’s control,still hope that enough of them might break out of the ranks and show some grit.

Since they sit in the HOC and have the right to vote,whether one likes it or not, folk like me can only hope that a few will break out and support their English colleagues who will vote against the lockdown renewal.

it would have made a lot more sense if the Nationalist aspirations had been set aside and the UK dealt with as an entire entity: we hope against hope that the SNP will be banished if enough people see through the fantasy and the spin in 2021.

Of course this assumes that we’ll actually be allowed to vote.

227837 Cbird, replying to Cbird, 22, #282 of 1470 🔗

Just had a reply from my MP saying she will vote against the lockdown today.

227923 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Cbird, 1, #283 of 1470 🔗

Who she?

227933 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Cbird, #284 of 1470 🔗


227839 paologrigio, replying to paologrigio, 2, #285 of 1470 🔗

As stated, the news that hospitals / ICU beds normal won’t make any difference (probably) to the Commons vote. But it should. This is about lives, not politics

227926 ▶▶ CGL, replying to paologrigio, 1, #286 of 1470 🔗

Hopefully some will start to see there are more than Covid ones now- surely?

227840 Voz 0db, 4, #287 of 1470 🔗

Herd Immunity From 1935

So…. They were also spreading conspiracy theories about “ natural herd immunity ” back in 1935!

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227845 Steve Martindale, 12, #288 of 1470 🔗

Peter Hitchens has asked on Twitter if anyone has details of people sent a +ve test result even though they did not attend for the test and did not have a sample taken. There was a post on yesterday’s news ( Les Tricotueses ) talking about such a case. If they or any others have details of such an event could they forward them to Peter Hitchens via his Mail on Sunday blog or let me know and I will forward them. Thank you.

227850 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 2, #289 of 1470 🔗

Loooong reply from my MP when I suggested he vote against the lockdown today.

“It must be stressed that we do not currently face a choice between lockdown or no lockdown. The choice in policy terms that faces us is whether to continue with local and regional lockdowns or move to a national one. Our part of the world was already ‘in lockdown’, albeit at the less intrusive tier 1 (but still with important impositions like the rule of six etc). In fact, the latest data on infection spread in Suffolk suggests we probably would have been headed to tier 2 sooner or later with tighter rules, admittedly not as strict as in the national lockdown being proposed: https://www.eadt.co.uk/news/suffolk-coronavirus-tier-2-near-1-6912397 .

Inevitably not every piece of data is behaving identically, since at the national level there is considerable variation in certain statistics between and within regions, and between and within conurbations and right down to parish level. However, on Monday I was able to participate in briefings on regional health data from senior Scientific advisers to the Government. Whilst there are variations, the scientific consensus borne out by the broad brush of the data is that Covid is spreading at a much more rapid rate nationally than in the summer, with a strong likelihood of hospital capacity in our region being stretched beyond tolerable levels within a matter of weeks. I should emphasise that such an outcome is not a matter of modelling (i.e. predicting data), but on actual data to hand. On September 7th there were 536 Covid patients in hospital in England; rising 2,500 at the start of October and more than 10,000 at present. This looks very much like the kind of sharp growth which, if left unchecked, would threaten to overwhelm our health service.

Some may dispute the data, or certain parts of it. However, the pattern of sharply rising infection and then – lagging, but on a similar trend in time – sharply rising hospital admissions, is already occurring in practice in countries like France and Belgium who are ahead of us on the infection curve. It may be that one or two individual graphs have been queried, but the general trend is clear and it is being matched in similar nations. As the Prime Minister said in the Commons on Monday, “there are already more covid patients in some hospitals now than at the height of the first wave: 2,000 more this Sunday than last Sunday… The modelling presented by our scientists suggests that, without action, we could see up to twice as many deaths over the winter as we saw in the first wave”.

The issue of hospital capacity is not just covid-related. On the contrary, I have continuously raised at PMQs and other statements since the first lockdown in March, the impact of lockdowns on those with other serious conditions, especially cancer. Whilst there remains a key concern that people may fail to present during lockdown, and we need every effort on the communication side to encourage otherwise, there is no doubt that if hospitals were overwhelmed with Covid cases this would have a terrible knock on effect on other treatments. As the PM said on Monday: “If we allow our health system to be overwhelmed—exactly as the data now suggests—that would not only be a disaster for thousands of covid patients, because their survival rates would fall, but we would also reach a point where the NHS was no longer there for everyone. The sick would be turned away because there was no room in our hospitals”. Anyone who thinks this is scaremongering should consider that it was the reality in Bergamo, Italy in the last peak, that numbers are forecast to be higher (in terms of admissions) this time around, and that in neighbouring France hospitals in 13 departments (regions) have faced pressure akin to being overwhelmed during the current outbreak, and we are but weeks behind them.

All this said, I have the most profound concerns about the potential impact of a national lockdown. Some have rightly called for an impact assessment and whilst that is entirely laudable, time probably does not allow for one of great efficacy and accuracy to be conducted in the time frame required. Nevertheless, we do not need such a study to tell us that that the economy will take a massive hit, undermining confidence, closing businesses and above all increasing further the number without employment. There will be a mental health impact, and many other hidden social impacts. We don’t need an impact assessment to tell us this because we know the reality of the first wave. Finally, there will be the illiberal impact on those daily activities we take for granted. It goes against every instinct of my politics to be supporting measures that take away cherished freedoms. I entirely understand the anguish of those unable to go to church or partake of those activities which effectively define much of our human character.

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227851 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Victoria, 1, #290 of 1470 🔗


That is why both for myself, and I know this is the case for the Prime Minister, this measure is absolutely a last resort . The PM does not want to be entering a national lockdown. His overwhelming preference was, and remains, for regional measures. Some say we should not lockdown; others that we should have locked down sooner. I happen to think the country would have not accepted, as the majority appear to have done now, the need for a national lockdown back in September. But the very fact the PM rejected the SAGE advice for a ‘circuit breaker’ in September was precisely because he doesn’t want a national lockdown and that he views it as an option only to be used when all other avenues have been exhausted. We followed the regional path with wholehearted commitment, to the point of straining some political relationships at a devolved level. But the question must be asked, if the purpose of the regional approach is to bear down on the R and avoid hospitals seeing an unsustainable spike in demand, what happens if such an approach fails to deliver that outcome in a timely enough manner? The answer has to be that at some point the Government has no choice but to consider other options and, for better or worse, in our limited arsenal to fight this novel and terrible pandemic we have reached a point where to significantly bear down on the R the only option left is a national lockdown. This is the conclusion Governments have reached in many of our neighbouring nations. We are not alone in coming to this conclusion, but it is one that I very much regret.

Yet there are positives to be had. We will be keeping schools and educational settings open. We will also be keeping key parts of our economy open, like the housing market and construction. Yesterday we confirmed that pubs can still offer takeaway including alcoholic beverages. If we implement this lockdown and it reduces the R, there is the prospect of less intrusive measures by Christmas. We have just launched mass testing in Liverpool. Progress on a range of scientific responses has been heartening, with the UK leading on key developments from treatment to vaccine. The advent of rapid testing, with all that implies for opening up society in a safe way, seems to be dawning closer. It is not unrealistic to think that we could yet find a way in the coming months to deal with this disease such that our society can return to some sense of normality.

But we are not there yet. I wish we were. As PPS to the Chancellor I know the enormous adverse economic impact this pandemic is creating. But Rishi Sunak has shown at every turn a willingness to innovate and, above all, step in and directly support our economy with over £200bn to date in loans, grants, furlough funding and – by international comparison – incredibly generous support for the self-employed. Only last week the IMF concluded that HM Treasury had offered “one of the best examples of coordinated action globally” that helped “mitigate the damage” of Covid, whilst – most importantly – “holding down unemployment”.

So I will vote to support a Prime Minister faced with an almost impossible balancing act. But lockdown is not in any way a preferred outcome, on the contrary, I hope that we will then use the weeks up to December 2nd to do everything possible to step up our fight, through improving track and trace, and pushing on with new treatments and vaccine research. The date of December 2nd is important because these measures must expire by then or only be renewed by a further vote in Parliament. I hope that offers some comfort to those of you with entirely justifiable concerns about lockdown, many of which I share. Let us hope by that date we will once again have the infection under control to enough of a degree that we can at least return to a more regionally nuanced approach.

These remain some of the toughest circumstances in which to govern. I wish there was some other detailed, cogent alternative to hand, a lever to pull to avoid the outcome of an NHS under unsustainable pressure. But even if the data is not yet there that prospect looks inevitable if the current rate of infection is left unabated. That leaves us with one policy option and we now have to get behind the Government in implementing it.”

227873 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Victoria, 6, #291 of 1470 🔗

The date of December 2nd is important because these measures must expire by then or only be renewed by a further vote in Parliament.

Has this muppet said anything at all which suggests he won’t vote for continuing lockdown after 2nd December for “just another [ insert time period ] to [ insert latest bullshit justification ]”?

These people are not (and have never been) our representatives. They are our jailers and executioners.

227930 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Victoria, 4, #292 of 1470 🔗

But Rishi Sunak has shown at every turn a willingness to innovate and, above all, step in and directly support our economy with over £200bn to date in loans, grants, furlough funding…”

How does borrowing £200bn from the future “directly support our economy”?

It’s like paying your mortgage with your credit card.

228011 ▶▶▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #293 of 1470 🔗

“How does borrowing £200bn from the future “directly support our economy”?”

He isn’t. That’s a myth.

The government can pay its credit card with its credit card because it owns the Bank of England. And at zero net cost if it wants to because it is really just moving numbers from its right pocket to its left and back again.

There does come a point when you have to take time to understand how the accounting works. Government borrowing is a residual – caused by people saving instead of spending.

And we need somebody to spend or nobody has any income.

228541 ▶▶▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Lucan Grey, #294 of 1470 🔗

Hi Lucan. You have made this point before on this site but if what you say is true why does the government not borrow £200 trillion, or £900,000,000 trillion gazillion, or whatever? Surely if you print money you get inflation, and if you print a lot of money you get a lot of inflation.

Are you saying that savings are – in effect – an unlimited sum that can never run out?

Genuine questions from someone who got a D in economics!

228418 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Mabel Cow, #295 of 1470 🔗

Let’s tell the truth here also, although people might not like it, it was thanks to Corbyn that we even got Furlough. Prior to his open letter about worker protection schemes Sunak was just going to support businesses and throw the rest of us under the bus. In his speech he quoted Corbyn’s letter in large sections.

227931 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Victoria, 7, #296 of 1470 🔗

Reading between the lines. Lockdown will be extended by the same bullshit parliament who will vote for today’s measures.

They have no grip on the reality of the virus and it’s IFR.

And they basically are saying, fuck you. Fuck your children and fuck your grand children the old and infirm are our human shield.

228410 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Victoria, #297 of 1470 🔗

Send him Henegan and Yeadon’s evidenced based analysis of the data.

227853 davews, replying to davews, 7, #298 of 1470 🔗

We predicted yesterday that yesterday’s 397 deaths would be pushed. True to form in PMQ Starmer brought this up and said on September 21st there were 11 deaths, a 40 times increase. Of course if you look at the date of death figures there are now 27 deaths on September 21st and the 7 day average is now a tad over 200, only 8 times.

I can’t believe why some of the MPs are not crying out these outrageous predictions.

227867 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to davews, 1, #299 of 1470 🔗

The deliberately unseeing leading the intentionally blind?

227934 ▶▶ CGL, replying to davews, 1, #300 of 1470 🔗

See Ceriain’s numbers from yesterday

by Actual Date of Death is as follows:

19/04/2020 1
30/08/2020 2
05/09/2020 1
19/09/2020 1
07/10/2020 1
12/10/2020 1
13/10/2020 1
19/10/2020 1
20/10/2020 1
22/10/2020 7
23/10/2020 1
24/10/2020 5
25/10/2020 2
26/10/2020 2
27/10/2020 8
28/10/2020 8
29/10/2020 17
30/10/2020 49
31/10/2020 76
01/11/2020 128
02/11/2020 88

That totals 401, which accounts for the 3 or 4 that yesterday’s numbers were out by.

7-day Deaths (by reported date)average: 269

7-day Deaths (by death date, and allowing a 5 day catch up) average: 232

228400 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to davews, #301 of 1470 🔗

Most of them probably aren’t CV-19 deaths anyway.

227855 TheBigman, replying to TheBigman, 15, #302 of 1470 🔗


That’s where this is heading let’s be honest.
As to why, I have my thoughts – none of them good for us.
This shouldn’t be allowed.

The damage a ‘vaccine’ will do will be more than that of the corona flu, also don’t be surprised if it gets administered twice per year.

To anyone that thinks such measures are to simply cover up govt incompetence I hope you start searching for ulterior motives of those in powet, they aren’t hard to find.

227870 ▶▶ Jo, replying to TheBigman, 6, #303 of 1470 🔗

Anyone out there who would rather die than be vaccinated for this?

227891 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Jo, 5, #304 of 1470 🔗

The difference could prove to be largely academic!

227916 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Jo, 7, #305 of 1470 🔗

Don’t want to die, but won’t take a vaccine. This is the hill I guess I’m willing to die on. Oddly, Canada has pretty strong laws against informed consent for medical interventions so I don’t think they will literally hold us down. OH and I live in the country now and are retired and have no debt, so not much the government can bribe us with. I worry for my kids though.

228513 ▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Jo, #306 of 1470 🔗

Yes – and I will fight to the death to avoid it if they come for me.

227937 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to TheBigman, 7, #307 of 1470 🔗

Listen. The first person to abstain and be held down will have a wave of support. We need to be sure we all get behind that person, never give up. There is a long way to go from some gates funded law academic labour member (Dr Isra Black) authoring a psychotic paper on mandatory vaccination to it actually coming to pass.

Someone could do with doing a deep dive on that paper, the committees it was submitted to, which politicians invited it. Calling everyone out.

Don’t hide in your Ivory Tower Mr Black, writing your paper on what you think should be forced on your fellow man.

227857 DressageRider, replying to DressageRider, 4, #308 of 1470 🔗

Would love to believe what Toby has written about the “quad” and the flawed decision making, but why are they so scared of the media, given that they have proven they can control the narrative, can issue D notices, can release bots to nudge in social media, etc etc. Why not simply start a counter narrative that is more like the truth – the NHS can cope and will cope, and then put all their weight into that narrative?

227861 ▶▶ DressageRider, replying to DressageRider, 3, #309 of 1470 🔗

It would also be a lot cheaper to properly support and fund a few failing trusts and get them the staff they need (deployed from the South on triple salaries, maybe) than to have spent all that money on the tests and the track and trace.

227879 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to DressageRider, 6, #310 of 1470 🔗

Applying any form of reasoned or evidence based critique to ameliorate this public health disaster misses the point and will, sadly, get you nowhere. Moreover, it is likely to cause severe damage to your immune system, intellectual or otherwise. These people are, quite literally, barking mad and highly dangerous.

228509 ▶▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Hieronimusb, #311 of 1470 🔗

True! My wife was just saying that the new lockdown rules don’t make any sense. I explained that they don’t have to, in fact that they are designed not to, because the ongoing psychological warfare requires that they make no sense, thus increasing the anger, futility and hopelessness we are supposed to feel until we are mentally and physically broken.

227877 ▶▶ guy153, replying to DressageRider, 2, #312 of 1470 🔗

Except it can’t cope because it wasn’t great before and has just borne the brunt of six months of loving care and attention from politicians. It must be pretty much DNR at this point. Toby’s account certainly does have the ring of truth about it.

I especially liked the part where the South gets locked down just to make the North feel better.

227946 ▶▶▶ DressageRider, replying to guy153, 1, #313 of 1470 🔗

I agree what Toby has written does sound like the truth, but I guess it also proves that they really are stupid if they can’t see that they have the power to have firmer control over the narrative, and keep the country going without lockdowns, if enough leadership was excercised over SAGE and the madness of those academics being allowed to spill their private agendas into the public sphere. The media have proved themselves to be so lacking in any real questions, that surely they could be deflected from a few crisis points in some hospitals. Other than those which are causing concern in the NW or NE, the NHS is coping fine at the moment due to it being all normal for the time of year.

227863 John Stone, replying to John Stone, 5, #314 of 1470 🔗

Toby’s article about Dominic Cummmings and the quad is fascinating about political motivation but it does not give the full picture – we recall the government’s alliance with GAVI (the conference BJ hosted in the summer), the use by BJ of Great Reset rhetoric in his party conference speech, the global agenda which is not even hidden:




Nobody at the last election voted for the WEF or the Great Reset and we have to get it off the national agenda now, although all our politicians are conniving at it.

228019 ▶▶ chaos, replying to John Stone, #315 of 1470 🔗

About thirty MP’s are in the know. The rest are just sheeple idiots following the herd and ‘science’.

228496 ▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to chaos, #316 of 1470 🔗

I have come to the conclusion that nearly all MPs are stupid and are there to follow orders, t oday’s debate being a good example of this.

I know – a bit slow of me – but I got there eventually.

227864 Simon, 22, #317 of 1470 🔗

Just been for my car MOT. Always a decent place, me unmasked no challenge, polite as always. Chatty and friendly too, including the very elderly boss.

I went for a walk while waiting, it’s a nice day, I saw a driving lesson, with unmasked instuctor and pupil.

I went to a local shop, unmasked and found the owner and daughter with masks lowered and no challenge, friendly as always again.

People are rebelling, in small ways. I think this is where we will win. Nothing big, but ignoring rules. Operating within the rules, I’m exempt etc. We’re in a support bubble… I’m exercising…. Pick any one you like. There are many ways around these regulations and they will soon see that people don’t car and they are toast at any election. Now to force a recall.

227866 Paul, replying to Paul, 12, #318 of 1470 🔗

I gave up on Faceboook a while ago but every time a certain person I know posts I have a look for a laugh.
His rant today is against shops that are Staying open this month in our town,he’s provided a list and says ‘It’s a disgrace,a lockdown to suit the covid deniers,time to purchase shares in the undertakers I think’ ,what a complete twat !.He’s got his usual bunch of rabid zealots posting their spluttering rage too,you really have to laugh,these peole are so far gone they are beyond help.

227874 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to Paul, 1, #319 of 1470 🔗

Where does he work?

227911 ▶▶▶ anon, replying to Eddy, 5, #320 of 1470 🔗

ministry of in formation

227919 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to Eddy, 3, #321 of 1470 🔗

That’s the thing,he’s got a small online business that is unaffected by lockdown,so he can sit in an ivory tower and criticise other people.

227898 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Paul, 2, #322 of 1470 🔗

Send him a link to the list of lockdown costs being compiled. Anyone have a link to it?

227903 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #323 of 1470 🔗


I haven’t added anything since 2020-10-20.

227914 ▶▶▶ Sceptic in Oxford, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 10, #324 of 1470 🔗

Here’s mine from about 2 weeks ago so the list will be worse now.

The first lockdown has achieved:

·      25 million GP appointments lost ( source: Care Quality Commission )
·      3 million people backlog for cancer screening (source: Cancer Research UK)
·      350,000 patients with suspected cancer haven’t been referred ( source: Cancer Research UK )
·      986,000 women not screened for breast cancer ( source: Breast Cancer Now )
·      Nearly 2 million waiting > 18 weeks for planned surgery, such as knee and hip operations (source: NHS England)
·      111,026 patients waiting > 1 year for treatment ( source: NHS England )
·      MD and cataracts have gone untreated leaving patients at risk of sight loss
·      Waiting lists in general for the NHS are at an all-time high

Sooner or later, everyone , will be impacted by these backlogs, whether its them, their husband, wife, mother, father, sister, brother, boyfriend, girlfriend, uncle, aunt, child or grandchild who needs treatment and joins the back of these queues.

Then there’s societal/other health problems:

·      1 in 10 mental health patients has been waiting 6 months for help ( source: Royal College of Psychiatrists )
·      Number of people drinking at ‘high risk levels’ doubled since February – now 8.5 million ( source: Royal College of Psychiatrists )
·      Just over 1 in 10 of over 70,000 surveyed had suicidal thoughts or thoughts of self-harm during the first week of lockdown ( source: Samaritans )
·      calls to domestic abuse helplines surge ( source: Refuge – For Women & Children Against Violence )
·      Off-licence alcohol sales are up 24.2% with beer sales up 66% ( source: Kantar)
·      48% of UK respondents increased alcohol consumption and 54% increased drinking frequency ( source: Institute of Alcohol Studies / Global Drug Survey Special Edition )
·      750,000 jobs lost March-August (source: ONS)
·      11,120 chain store outlets closed January-June ( source: Local Data Company and PwC )
·      45% of businesses have less than six months cash reserves or none ( source: ONS)
·      673,000 fewer workers were on payroll in August compared with March 2020 ( source: ONS )
·      Record fall in GDP (21.8%) during first half of 2020, greater than France, Italy, Canada, Germany, US and Japan ( source: ONS)
·      Public borrowing of £173.7 billion in the first five months of the pandemic – more than triple all borrowing for entire previous year [£56.6 billion] ( source: ONS )
·      UK national debt at record high >£2 trillion for first time ever (source: ONS)
·      33% of adults reported high levels of anxiety (source: ONS)
·      Charities face £12.4 drop (source: Chartered Institute of Fundraising (IoF) and the Charity Finance Group (CFG))
·      Graduates less likely to find work/internships: 49% of small and medium sized businesses have cancelled internships or work experience, whilst 29% of larger firms have (source: The Sutton Trust)

227941 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 2, #325 of 1470 🔗

I just sent this to my local parliamentary idiot.

228396 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Two-Six, #326 of 1470 🔗

Just getting it in proper format to send to mine – Wancock. I’ll let you know what he writes back.

227955 ▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 1, #327 of 1470 🔗

Thanks for providing this source oxford this is excellent. I will use this as a template and add more as I go from now on.

228070 ▶▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 1, #328 of 1470 🔗

A great post! Thank you for your time and effort in putting it together.

227925 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Paul, 4, #329 of 1470 🔗

So he’s another one with a guaranteed income then? Like you say, twat.

228381 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Paul, #330 of 1470 🔗

Hi Paul, he needs to be in a padded cell never to be released again!

227868 Laurence, replying to Laurence, 11, #331 of 1470 🔗

Response to DJ Austin from yesterday

I don’t know why you keep on referring to the Southern Hemisphere – here in the UK it is quite clear that the lockdown had an extremely limited if any effect on Flu/ Pneumonia -see ONS stats.

So please explain why lockdown would work for Covid once it is established in a community when it clearly doesn’t work  for flu/ pneumonia.

Secondly, I feel like I keep on repeating the same point but you have not responded. If only a very limited number of people have been infected and there is no innate immunity, why did COVID decline so rapidly in April/ May, and why did it follow a similar decline in Sweden ?

Finally, in the unlikely event that all the historic experience is wrong and you are right, that lockdown works, why would you want to use such a cruel and blunt tool when clearly it makes little  difference, as the same effect is achieved where they don’t lock down. By locking down we’re destroying lives and livelihoods, throwing millions out of work, increasing cancer deaths by up to 30,000 and total unnecessary deaths by over 70,000, creating huge mental health problems, an unprecedented (in at least 300 years ) reduction in GDP of 19.2%, etc. All for no or minimal benefit.

Today we see the hospitals’ intensive care units  are for the most part at normal operating levels for this time of year. France despite having a supposed 400 COVID deaths per day (moving average) is showing negative excess deaths (how many of these are false positives who died of other causes – their positive test rate is approaching 25%). Spain’s death rate has hardly moved in two weeks.

227949 ▶▶ djaustin, replying to Laurence, -5, #332 of 1470 🔗

I the Southern Hemisphere, lockdown coincided with PEAK influenza season. In the UK that is not the case. Peak flu is about the second week of January, so typical cases now, when we have not been locked down (Rule of 6…) is unsurprising. Covid declined rapidly due to reduced contacts. Then it came back when contacts went up. Whether it went up as fast due to different behaviours, or some immunity one can debate. But it definitely has been rising universally.

why would you want to use such a cruel and blunt tool when clearly it makes little difference

I don’t believe anyone wants to. In general it is better to act earlier rather than put things off. Or even to try and join up the dots during school holidays, for example. Politicians must balance the economy and health consequences. I’m pretty good at predicting the mid-term health consequences (six weeks – I predicted in mid-September that we would see up to 250 deaths/day in England by Nov 1). It’s up to society to decide what is an acceptable level of excess mortality from this new pathogen. At the moment, it’s about 10% above normal deaths per week. By Christmas it will rise to 20-25%. I think most people would agree that the 200% we saw in April isn’t a great place.

227990 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to djaustin, #333 of 1470 🔗

In general it is better to act earlier rather than put things off.

Link ?

228241 ▶▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to JohnB, #334 of 1470 🔗

General rules of life 😉 . If you are going to do something, better to face up to it early.

228394 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to djaustin, 1, #335 of 1470 🔗

If you are going to do something it is better to start out doing what has been shown to work previously. If you do something else and the outcome is a failure, it is better to face up to it early. There, fixed it! 😉

228882 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to djaustin, #336 of 1470 🔗

Well I’m convinced …

228017 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to djaustin, 6, #337 of 1470 🔗

You cannot stop a circulating respiratory pathogen. The epidemic followed the classic Gompertz curve, just like any other viral epidemic. The summer decline was due to seasonality, just like every other respiratory virus in history. The current upswing is due to seasonality, just like every other respiratory virus in history, compounded by the foolish attempt to dodge it in the first place,and it is now endemic. If we don’t learn to live with it intelligently, we will die trying to avoid it with stupidity.

228255 ▶▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to Hieronimusb, #338 of 1470 🔗

I thought it was due to immunity in Sweden? Well I didn’t, but that’s a post-hoc argument made by reference to the great Gompertz equation (which can describe changes in contacts as easily as changes in immunity). So outside of seasonality, in the Southern Hemisphere one would predict no resurgence, surely, or a decline? How are COVID19 deaths looking in Argentina and Chile who are entering their summer? (stable)

Of course we should learn to live with it intelligently – there is a very long chain of success in dealing with viral pathogens, respiratory and non-respiratory. Treatments and vaccines have been the mainstay. They will continue to be so. But in the meantime?

228352 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to djaustin, 3, #339 of 1470 🔗

The epidemic in Sweden followed the Gompertz curve, just as it did everywhere else, viz the publicly available data. I dispute that treatments and vaccines have been the mainstay of recovery from viral epidemics, as you suggest, although where available and effective they are of course a benefit. In the meantime we should stop lockdowns, stop ‘third party’ deaths, protect those at risk and give people sufficient factual information (not the strangled nonsense currently being disseminated) to get on with their lives as they see fit. Any other course will, as sure as eggs is eggs, result in unnecessary excess mortality and economic ruin with the hardship and misery (more unnecessary mortality) that go hand in hand with that. Frankly, there is no excuse or justification for current policy; epidemic management is not new, we knew this stuff nearly 100 years ago and the principles are still valid today. My father was a very able medical practitioner (7 of them in the family) with whom I discussed epidemic management 50 years ago as a teenager. I repeat: the fundamental principles of good management are unchanged and are being deliberately ignored at huge cost to human life and happiness.

228522 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to Hieronimusb, #340 of 1470 🔗

I dispute that treatments and vaccines have been the mainstay of recovery from viral epidemics

People with HIV might beg to differ. Their life expectancy has increased 40 years. Smallpox has been eradicated and polio is on its way out. But the fact is, so much is unknown for this new viral pathogen, so whilst the principles may be known, the precautionary principle is also one that should be considered.

We are still very early in the first phase of what will surely become a seasonal viral infection (like the other four). We are learning fast but there is much to learn. For example, I’ve just finished a meeting that discussed the recent finding that pregnant women are three times more likely to be admitted to the ITU with COVID than the general population. Most recover (9/10), but as I said, it’s not all about headline death rate in the elderly. How will one treat those women if the ITU is full? A lot to balance (including the economy), and there are no good choices.


228650 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to djaustin, #341 of 1470 🔗

Let’s face it, nobody really understands HIV/AIDS, although Judy Mikowitz and others have contributed some evidence based observations to the debate. Some vaccines have complemented naturally acquired immunity, viz smallpox/polio, to our great advantage. Edward Jenner’s (naturally acquired) revelatory insight was no doubt a seminal moment in the development of medicine. Complaining the ITU is full, which incidentally they aren’t, and simultaneously destroying the economy which funds the NHS and keeps the majority alive in other ways, is simply neither rational nor acceptable public health policy for entirely obvious and predictable reasons. You are clearly a very clever fellow and I’m sure you will work it out eventually but I fear this casuistic encounter has little to offer either of us.

228656 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JuttaW, replying to Hieronimusb, #342 of 1470 🔗

well a few days ago I posted an interview with Dr. Duesberg, dated 1987 about HIV and AIDS and he made me understand a lot about the CPR test, viruses etc. He thinks AIDS is not caused by the HIV virus. Of course Fauci was there and big pharma and there AZT. I hope one day he gets his recognition.

228681 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to JuttaW, #343 of 1470 🔗

Yes, there is seldom heard but very considerable debate about the true origins and nature of HIV/AIDS. The prevailing medical/pharma narrative seems in some important ways deficient, although I’ve only skimmed the subject.

229095 ▶▶▶▶▶ Laurence, replying to djaustin, #344 of 1470 🔗

It’s somewhat odd to refer to the Great Gompertz equation as a post-hoc argument, when Levitt clearly referred to sigmoid curves in his paper on March 14 and showed similar graphs up to a month earlier.

Looking at South America, Chile peaked on 12 June and has gradually declined since then. Brazil (no lockdown) and Peru (famously one of the strongest lockdowns anywhere) both peaked around June and
have declined since then (although Peru at a far higher fatality rate). Very
similar patterns, again demonstrating the futility of these lockdown measures. Argentina again peaked in June but has a sudden change around October. These all peaked around 2-3 months after the European countries and if these were pure seasonal effects that would be more like 6 months.

Many of the southern US states, notably Florida, have a similar profile and timing to the south American countries, which are Northern hemisphere so it seems to be more geographical than seasonal.

Obviously not the whole population gets the virus the first time round, that is why the word ‘herd’ is often used – the implication being that enough members of the community get it so that its spread becomes slower. However there are clearly areas where it hasn’t got to very much, and when we are more prone to infection (in Autumn) those areas will be more impacted than say London.

You clearly think the decline in Sweden was not due to immunity (to any great extent) or reductions in contacts (I assume this as if you did think the Swedish model was sufficient then clearly you would agree with me on lockdown !). So that leaves just the change in the weather as it approached summer (again I hope that’s not what you’re arguing as
the lockdown would have been an horrific waste of lives and livelihoods etc). So what is it exactly in your opinion that slowed down the spread of the virus in Sweden (and Brazil, and other places where there was no
lockdown) ?

Now the other interesting thing is false positives. We have to bear in mind that, according to an article above (and you may want to dispute it of course) the hospitalisations and ICU cases are around the same as they normally are this time of year. Also death rates wk 43 are not significantly above normal (see Euromomo), so where are all these supposed
deaths coming from. If you look at the referenced article from the NYT ( https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/29/health/coronavirus-testing.html )
you will see that the false (or so weak as to be effectively false) positive
rate is around 90% of the positives or 3.5% of the total ‘cases’ for that day (you need to look at the worldindata spreadsheet for the number of tests on the day they refer to, which is around 1.1m). In fact, the number of true positives is so low that as a reasonable first order approximation you could use the infection rate as a proxy for the false positive rate. Further, the cycles in the UK are even higher. To cut a long story short, if you do the maths you get a false positive rate of around 6-10% overall but, for the over 75s, 10-16%, so 150 – 250 of the 270 (7 day MA) deaths are false positives that happen to die (around 1500 people die a day in the UK, and all those that die in hospitals or nursing homes – the overwhelming majority – are tested). So suddenly the second wave
looks less frightening !

Bearing this in mind it makes forecasting a lot easier and, by the way, I can also claim some success in this area – I said at the end of March there would be fewer than 4,000 deaths in the UK under 60 years of age – to date there have been around 3500 in England !

228376 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to djaustin, #345 of 1470 🔗

He’s missed the point hasn’t he? What numbers is he actually referring to here?

227869 Lydia, replying to Lydia, 38, #346 of 1470 🔗

Received a reply from my MP. He’s voting for the lockdown with a heavy heart he has to do the right thing.

Replied back saying he’s a disgrace, his party is a disgrace and he’s got blood on his hands.


227880 ▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to Lydia, 7, #347 of 1470 🔗

Mine didn’t even make a pretence of the “heavy heart” stuff. “Getting the numbers down” is apparently all that matters. All that matters.

228000 ▶▶▶ Lydia, replying to Now More Than Ever, 2, #348 of 1470 🔗

He wrote the usually shit, if we don’t anything 4000 will die in December. Blah blah blah.

228016 ▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to Now More Than Ever, 2, #349 of 1470 🔗

Mine didn’t even reply!

228045 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Now More Than Ever, 4, #350 of 1470 🔗

They could get the numbers down easily by fiddling the figures. They fiddled them up, why not down? Reduce the PCR cycles. Pick out the low or average bits of the charts. Extrapolate with a flatter curve. Their imagination only works one way.

228369 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Now More Than Ever, #351 of 1470 🔗

Were they referring perchance to the number of businesses, to the number of people in employment to the numbers of bankruptcies or suicides?

227897 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Lydia, 7, #352 of 1470 🔗

Given how widely I wrote to many MP’s I am able to say…..at least you got a reply. I got nothing.

227888 Now More Than Ever, replying to Now More Than Ever, 15, #353 of 1470 🔗

Just received the new Private Eye. “M.D.”, their incognito doctor-writer, has tended towards the bedwetter throughout all of this but comes close today to suggesting they have had a change of view:

“Sars-Cov-2 can be deadly, but was only the 25th commonest cause of death in the UK in August and is now the 11th. It may well be that most countries will end up in this state where the virus joins the many other causes of death each year, but not at a level that overwhelms the NHS. If we’re all going to end up in this state eventually, the question becomes: how much damage are we going to do to ourselves in getting there?”

227894 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Now More Than Ever, 1, #354 of 1470 🔗

He should write an article answering his own question at the end. That is what we were doing back in March/April and it was scary enough then.

227915 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Now More Than Ever, 11, #355 of 1470 🔗

“Sars-Cov-2 can be deadly, but was only the 25th commonest cause of death in the UK in August and is now the 11th.”

No, it is not the 11th commonest cause of death it is the 11th most common cause of death that is written on a death certificate.

That. Does. Not. Make, It True.

Death (for any reason) + Pos. Test within last 28 days = ‘covid death’

227999 ▶▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to calchas, 2, #356 of 1470 🔗

Entirely agree, Calchas. But hey, a zealot’s route to scepticism is usually slow and incremental.

228414 ▶▶ dommo, replying to Now More Than Ever, #357 of 1470 🔗

he’s not incognito at all – it’s phil hammond – go to private eye website for podcast interviews with him

227893 Rosie, replying to Rosie, 32, #358 of 1470 🔗

As some of you know, I took myself and my leaflets to London Bridge today.

Today’s low point:
“You call yourself a scientist and you accept all the propaganda? You should be ashamed of yourself. What have you done with your critical faculties? In a few months time you will look back and regret this conversation.” (On having been told that if we don’t lock down there will be children dying in the streets because there’s no room in the hospitals because they are full.)

Today’s high point, giving someone his first hug since March

Today’s normal: No I’m not interested. Occasion varient: Can’t do anything about any of it.

227944 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Rosie, 2, #359 of 1470 🔗

The irony of said person saying you accept all the propoganda…

227979 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to JHuntz, 1, #360 of 1470 🔗

Have another go, JH. 🙂

228075 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to JHuntz, 2, #361 of 1470 🔗

Oh no…. My miscommunication to you good people. That was me speaking in a rare flight of oratory. I normally speak hesitantly and normally listen not speak, but this guy was telling me that he’s a scientist and lockdown is essential and my words flowed. My apologies for misleading you all on that.
Arnie, a locally brewed real ale please 🙂

227947 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Rosie, 3, #362 of 1470 🔗

And there it is – apathy and ignorance. We look after those who natural selection would deal with properly, far too well.
Congrats on the hug though!

227951 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to Rosie, 9, #363 of 1470 🔗

When one day I meet you Rosie, I will give your the biggest hug. You are an inspiration & thank you for what you are doing. I may even buy you a cuppa or a pint (whatever is your poison of choice) and where I come from with deep pockets and short arms that is praise indeed!
Best Wishes,

227971 ▶▶ davews, replying to Rosie, 2, #364 of 1470 🔗

I did post on yesterday’s thread that I considered joining you as a final trip up town before lockdown but in the end had other things to sort out. Thanks for doing what you did, it is tough getting the right side of the argument over.

227980 ▶▶ annie, replying to Rosie, 1, #365 of 1470 🔗

We accept all the propaganda? WE DO?

You are a heroine, Rosie.

228015 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to annie, 1, #366 of 1470 🔗

You too Annie. 🙂

228360 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Rosie, #367 of 1470 🔗

Sounds like Selgman’s Dogs is setting in, Learned Helplessness in some people

227920 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 15, #368 of 1470 🔗

Just going down the our local war memorial to place our British legion wooden cross to honour my and my wife’s great uncles who were killed in WW1, before the police stop me because I was not on an “essential journey”

227935 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to Fingerache Philip., 18, #369 of 1470 🔗

I lost four friends in Afghan and two more after we came home to suicide. I might be a bit knackered now but if they try to stop me honouring my friends and all the other brave souls…

227940 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Arnie, 18, #370 of 1470 🔗

I’ll be going on Remembrance Sunday for my late grandfather. No-one is going to stop me. And I’ll be apologising to him for what this bloody awful country has become.

227966 ▶▶▶▶ davews, replying to kh1485, 4, #371 of 1470 🔗

I see from the regs that outside remembrance services can be held. We are not allowed to have our usual one inside our church but maybe this is a possibility. It should also have been a communion service but don’t think they would want to do that outside.

227976 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to davews, #372 of 1470 🔗

Quick hatchet job:

Exception 14: Remembrance Sunday and Armistice Day (18)Exception 14 is that— (a)the gathering takes place— (i)outdoors in a place which is not a private dwelling to commemorate Remembrance Sunday,

b)the persons attending the gathering are limited to—

16(v)spectators who participate in the gathering alone or only with members of their household, linked household or their linked childcare household, and

227978 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to davews, 4, #373 of 1470 🔗

Our beastly bedwetter of a rector won’t countenance anything at all. But I’m going to go through the whole Remembrance service, in my iwn, on Castle Hill, for all the Fallen. Somebodyhas to.

227988 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to annie, 6, #374 of 1470 🔗

Ours neither. They’re doing the clap thing for the fallen. How utterly, utterly ghastly.

228059 ▶▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to davews, 1, #375 of 1470 🔗

So funny that the government bans us from being inside buildings this time of year but forces us outside in the bitter cold and wet increasing the chances that many of us will get sick. If inside, that chance of getting sick is minimal.

228060 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to kh1485, 2, #376 of 1470 🔗

I’ve always had problems, not with remembrance (quite the contrary), but with the sequestration of what should be an all-inclusive public act by formal religion. It always seemed an unnecessary imposition – a crude elbowing-in on those intense memories handed down through the generations. (No problem with private religious belief being brought to the experience. Each to their own)

But, I wonder if the greatest honour to those generations would be to mark a visible protest against the denial of all that was fought for by totally ignoring any restrictions.

227922 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 3, #377 of 1470 🔗

With regards to the testing equipment, there is one caveat that I don’t think is mentioned. The first line of the document below the “Instructions for use” reads(my emphasis)
This suggests to me that it is not authorised for general use and requires a physician to request it, or does it mean something different?
The first paragraph reads
“The SARS-CoV-2 Antigen Rapid Qualitative Test is a colloidal gold immunochromatography intended for the qualitative detection of nucleocapsid antigens from SARS-CoV-2 in human nasal swabs or throat swabs from individuals who are suspected of COVID-19 by their healthcare provider. within the first five days of the onset of symptoms .”

227938 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to p02099003, 1, #378 of 1470 🔗

It definitely means that it’s not for general consumption that’s for sure. A doctor has to specify it to that particular person which is the whole point of a prescription. I’m sure there’s others on here with better knowledge than me though.

228064 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Arnie, #379 of 1470 🔗

It also states within 5 days of symptom onset. Therefore it cannot be used without a prescription or patient specific direction from a prescribing authority& it cannot be used if a person is asymptomatic. It is also a qualitative test and is for confirmation of a diagnosis.

227973 ▶▶ DocRC, replying to p02099003, 1, #380 of 1470 🔗

There are three classes of drugs/appliances. Prescription only (PO), Pharmacy (P) -through a Pharmacist and OTC -over the counter. PO are the drugs that only a Doctor can prescribe (or a Nurse Practitioner or a Dentist etc. from more limited lists). P means the pharmacist can sell you them after appropriate advice and OTC are drugs such as GAviscon, paracetamol, ibuprofen you can buy from Sainsburys etc.

228043 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to DocRC, 1, #381 of 1470 🔗

I operate under patient group directions, occasionally patient specific directions. I never did my prescribing course which would have opened the full POM formulary for me. We are not allowed to or strongly advised not to give out anything available OTC or general sale.
I was just querying whether there was another meaning in the case of this equipment as it was the first thing that I saw and immediately raised a red flag about the general use of the test.

227924 Arnie, replying to Arnie, 89, #382 of 1470 🔗

As many of you know I lost my business two weeks ago. I’m about £400k in debt. To be fair to the government grant department they have bent over backwards to help and it looks like I will end up owing ‘only’ about £20k.

Oh and my business partner committed suicide over the loss of our business. Much as the pain from his loss is like being flayed alive sometimes I’m not writing this about that episode.

I was musing yesterday that if somebody had at some stage asked me to take a 25% wage cut that would have gone wholly to those of our people who were stuck in the middle of this disaster (as was in March, etc.) I would have happily paid in.

There would have been billions of pounds (I think) for this disaster relief effort and many of us would have volunteered to help.

As it was we were criminalised, put under house arrest and our lives, our children’s lives and our businesses were destroyed.

All for what exactly?

Rage & fury don’t even begin to describe what is growing in my belly.

You know why they raised the terror threat level? I think you all know why.

227939 ▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to Arnie, 14, #383 of 1470 🔗

deepest condolences on your friend – some people just do not see the damage being done – please hang on in there you will thrive in the future – I know it is bleak but please keep on

228031 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Aslangeo, 10, #384 of 1470 🔗

Thank you. I’m an old soldier. It’s a raw deal but we’re a close family. We’ll be ok. I’m focusing on taking the fight to the bad guys and that’s taking my mind off of the darker thoughts.

227960 ▶▶ Mrs issedoff, replying to Arnie, 15, #385 of 1470 🔗

Regarding the raised terror threat level, I totally agree Arnie. Either that or to try take our minds off being slowly sent mad by lockdowns and diktats. The anger I feel is like nothing I have experienced in my (too) many decades on this earth. I truly hope things improve for you and the many more facing hardships and mental anguish.

228033 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Mrs issedoff, 9, #386 of 1470 🔗

Thank you. We’ll get there. We’ve got work to do to try to others suffering a similar disaster. We can’t afford to lose.

228345 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Mrs issedoff, 1, #387 of 1470 🔗

Had a senior moment there, I thought you you said terrier alert. Good way to describe Stalin Starmer I thought. Then I realised!

227961 ▶▶ annie, replying to Arnie, 16, #388 of 1470 🔗

You’re not the terrorist. The government are the terrorists.
Terrorist killers go to jail for life.
Be brave. Our hearts are with you.
And our cash. too, folks…?

228041 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to annie, 18, #389 of 1470 🔗

I fought for our country. Friends died and we nearly all had physical and mental problems. If I’d known then what I know now I wouldn’t have bothered. Why work so hard and with blood and death and mental health issues only to have it all undermined by the government trying to destroy it’s own people.

Literally the enemy within.

The government are the terrorists, literally terrorising their own people.

228349 ▶▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Arnie, 4, #390 of 1470 🔗

Correct. They are terrorists and I hope one day they will be treated – sentenced – as such.

228277 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to annie, 1, #391 of 1470 🔗

You have money?

227968 ▶▶ Simon, replying to Arnie, 11, #392 of 1470 🔗

I cannot begin to comprehend what you are going through and you have my deepest sympathies.

228047 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Simon, 14, #393 of 1470 🔗

Thank you. We are in a better position than some. We are not alone here. I can’t bear the thought of our elderly stuck at home, lonely and afraid because of all the lies and fear. I have two choices, die in misery or fight. Exist or live. And I choose life, not just for me but for all of our people. We’ve got some work to do…
Thanks again.

228116 ▶▶▶▶ sam, replying to Arnie, 3, #394 of 1470 🔗

thank you arnie for your wonderful spirit you inspire me and us. so sorry for what has happened to you and to your business partner and too everyone this is a disgrace what has been done to good people . you are right. me too is the elderly breaks my heart .

228346 ▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Arnie, 2, #395 of 1470 🔗

Just want to say how sorry I am to read this.

There are times when words fail me, like now.

229112 ▶▶▶ right2question, replying to charleyfarley, #396 of 1470 🔗

me too i’m feeling a lot but the words that cross my mind just don’t feel like they say enough. xxxxx

227942 ConstantBees, 6, #397 of 1470 🔗

The election is not finished until all the votes are counted. I’m not surprised with the results as they stand right now. As I said a few days ago, do not believe the polls. It’s nice to be right once in a while.

I’ll also add, do not assume that all postal votes are for the Democrats. I’ve met lots of frail, elderly, Republican Americans, who very sensibly would see themselves as the real target demographic for the virus and use a postal vote instead of going to the polls.

Wait until the vote count is done before calling the election.

227948 ConstantBees, replying to ConstantBees, 1, #398 of 1470 🔗

Why are you done here? Are you offended by the existence of the few Americans on this board, like me?

228025 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to ConstantBees, 1, #399 of 1470 🔗

I’m not offended. I think the opposite. I think you are a great asset and we are an open church. Any differences we have must be put on temporary hold until we can resolve this slight problem of losing our freedoms.

Once back to old normal I am happy for old differences to resume. Although I suspect that when we are at that stage we will all be a bit more accommodating of each other. A small silver lining in the offing maybe?


227953 Arnie, replying to Arnie, 10, #400 of 1470 🔗

I look all around and all I can think to myself is that these are the sperm that won?..

228002 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Arnie, 10, #401 of 1470 🔗

Exactly. The kind of morons who think that this virus is so deadly that a proportionate response is to trash the economy and withhold healthcare but then think a bit of rag will save them while they nip out for a spot of coffee and a sandwich. Because, as Noel Gallagher said, the virus allows you a lunchbreak, it’s nice like that. Jeez ….

227962 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 23, #402 of 1470 🔗

Just now, a group of three people, one of whom was a lady with learning difficulties. According to the couple with her (not sure if they were her family or carers), this lady is not allowed out after tomorrow. Nice. What a lovely country these bastards have created.

227967 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to kh1485, 10, #403 of 1470 🔗

That’s total bollocks. Absolutely not true! There’s even more leeway where ‘care’ is involved. Everything I own says these people have not seen the actual legislation.

227981 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #404 of 1470 🔗

I think the people with her were her family. They are probably being told this by the ‘care’ facility she lives in.

227987 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to kh1485, 4, #405 of 1470 🔗

Who, again, know fuck all. No apologies for language, madam KH, this is war.

227991 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 5, #406 of 1470 🔗

For Fuck’s Sake, why doesn’t every living being think “What are they doing now? Let’s see how I get out of this?”

227996 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sam Vimes, 5, #407 of 1470 🔗

Hey, don’t apologise for the cursing. My own language is pretty off the scale right now.

228010 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to kh1485, 2, #408 of 1470 🔗

Sorry, just re-read your post …. about “no apologies”. Tired, reading and posting at speed! Oh … and effing angry.

228332 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to kh1485, #409 of 1470 🔗

They need to get lawyers. Is there a Deprivation of Liberty Order in place?

228058 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to kh1485, 3, #410 of 1470 🔗

If she wants to go out then she can. Having a learning disability doesn’t mean that there’s no mental capacity.

228237 ▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to kh1485, 6, #411 of 1470 🔗

On the subject of what kind of country we have become my 91 year-old disabled mother-in-law had an appointment yesterday at the Medway Hospital for an MRI. My wife went with her because her mum is unsteady on her feet and needs support to avoid the risk of a fall. She is also claustrophobic and was feeling apprehensive about the scan. At the door my wife was refused entry.

“But my mother cannot walk without support!”

“Go find a wheelchair. There are 90 people in the hospital”. (The Medway buildings cover several acres).

They considered leaving but MIL did not want to cause any upset and reluctantly said she would go in alone. My wife rang me, distraught and in tears at the way they had been treated. She teaches law at a leading uni and is a robust, tough character. I have never seen her so upset, shaking with anger.

I was boiling, but my wife begged me not to go into the hospital to give them a piece of my mind, which is what I wanted to do.

Fortunately, due to her natural stoicism and blithe spirit, MIL was not too phased by her experience. Is it too much to ask Hancock and the others to pause for a moment, to go outside the bubble they inhabit and think about the thousands, millions of daily upsets they and their dictats are causing?

We used to be a decent country, with decent hospitals, staffed by decent people.

So – I ask you. What have we become?

228338 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to charleyfarley, 1, #412 of 1470 🔗

90 people in the hospital? Patients or public? If patients, loads of capacity left if people, were they anywhere in sight?

227963 Mike Collins, replying to Mike Collins, 9, #413 of 1470 🔗

Strange how Rishi is keeping his head down, he knows BJ is a spent force and he’s lining himself up as the next leader/PM. Theresa May has seen the writings on the wall, it’s Tory – v – Tory now.

Just reading about the simple tests that are being offered as the way out of the lockdown merry go round, they’re more flawed than the current ones. Hopefully the good people of Liverpool flatly refuse to be doorstep tested, although some may believe it’s a mandatory requirement. If you can share it amongst friend/followers that you don’t have to be tested.

228205 ▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Mike Collins, 1, #414 of 1470 🔗

I just don’t understand the point of continuous testing. If I have a negative test today who’s to say that I won’t be positive tomorrow, or next week?

If you have an epidemic the number of hospital admissions and deaths will tell you if it is advancing or not. Or am I missing something?

The only purpose of it I can see is as a means of control.

229117 ▶▶▶ right2question, replying to charleyfarley, #415 of 1470 🔗

control keeping the fear levels up stoking the everyone dangerous false positives help their cause sick

227964 chaos, replying to chaos, 6, #416 of 1470 🔗

A former boss of Boris Kemal said he was a fox in sheep’s clothing.

He’s a rude adulterous oaf.

Theresa May savages Boris Johnson’s strategy after PM walks out on her

228275 ▶▶ John P, replying to chaos, #417 of 1470 🔗

no, no, no chaos. You have it’s name wrong.

It’s Alex Kemal.


227965 calchas, replying to calchas, 12, #418 of 1470 🔗

If the present situation is the result of government incompetence and if they are terrified of having that exposed, then why do those who have the most to gain from the exposure of that incompetence – the political opposition – show no interest in exposing it?

227997 ▶▶ chaos, replying to calchas, 9, #419 of 1470 🔗

Which is why that explanation does not fit.

Kier is on trilateral commission (Rockerfeller). He supports Boris. Same team.. just pretend opposition.

Goldman Sachs, IMF, McKinsey, Rockerfeller, IMF etc etc… all have davos great reset pages. Why if it aint a thing? Cos it is a thing.

Entities need not be multiplied beyond necessity. Occam’s Razr.

229127 ▶▶▶ right2question, replying to chaos, #420 of 1470 🔗
228008 ▶▶ Julian, replying to calchas, 2, #421 of 1470 🔗

Who is saying the situation is a result of government incompetence? Can you point me to specific statements by these people that refers to incompetence? If you’re referring to the section above the line today that talks about the Quad and their motivations, I don’t think it’s advocating incompetence as a reason – it’s very clearly talking about politicians acting in what they think is their own best interest. That’s not incompetence, it’s malicious and immoral.

228044 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Julian, #422 of 1470 🔗

Let’s assume that is true – ie that it is merely a matter of politicians acting in their own best interest.

First question: has there ever been a time when politicians did not act in their own perceived best interest?

If the current politicians in government are merely acting in their own best interest, then why do not the opposition politicians shout it from the rooftops that that is so. After all, Starmer surely wants to be PM, in his own best interest as you say. Surely, the best way for Starmer and co. to act in their own best interest is to show that the Tory politicians in governmnent are screwing us over – in their own best interests.

The voting system works indeed on the basis that politicians act in their own best interest. That is, they want to achieve power and then hold on to it, and inorder to do that, they must implement the will of the voters.

228054 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to calchas, #423 of 1470 🔗

I think it is partly that the direction of travel in which the coronapanic is leading is one that pleases Starmer for ideological reasons, and partly that Labour are betting on the Tories losing popularity by making a mess of it – lack of PPE, not shutting down early enough and hard enough, not printing enough money etc. And indeed these positions were supported by many early on, and still are.

228208 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 1, #424 of 1470 🔗

You’re right about the political cynicism behind Starmer’s positioning. ‘Twas always thus – and, if positions were reversed, the Tories would be doing exactly the same.

We may deplore it, but it’s nothing new, and it’s what gives politics and politicians a bad name. The wider view says they do it because the populace lap it up. Pot and kettle.

However, I reckon there is a deeper level of manoeuvering going on at present, with the deeper establishment working against true democracy by manipulating the frame. Thus Starmer is not an alternative to Johnson – but a safe substitute who will happily continue the underlying political narrative.

228328 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to RickH, #425 of 1470 🔗

I think Starmer is having delusions about being the next Mein Furher Starmer so he’s going along with this because he knows Johnson’s days hang in the balance and, hey come the GE, he will be installed as the new Dictator. Right up his street. However, there are still big ructions to come in the Labour Party. CLP’s are turning against him.

228196 ▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to calchas, #426 of 1470 🔗

Good point.

227969 chaos, 21, #427 of 1470 🔗

I had this funny dream the whole world was going to be put in lockdown and made marxist.. countryside and flying for the rich.. communist flats and no jobs for the plebs…

A man known for laziness and lying with 6, 7, 8, 9? kids and now with a girlfriend half his age was in no.10. And to top it all off a corrupt man with dementia became the leader of the free world.

What a mad dream that was.

227970 Recusant, replying to Recusant, 20, #428 of 1470 🔗

Has Nadhim Zahawi MP seen any of this hospital admissions data with his own eyes? I had a nice conversation with my 7 year old daughter who was telling about how one of her friends achieved some next level feat in a game they had been playing. It sounded a bit fishy so I asked my daughter if she had seen it with her own eyes.

“No, daddy, Poppy told me about it.”
“Did you see Poppy do this, or did she just tell you she did it”

The look in my daughters face when she realised that it had never occurred to her that Poppy was making it up is one of the great moments of my life.

I would hate to think that my 7 year old daughter knew more about the ways of the world than a Conservative MP responsible for throwing his constituents out of work.

228065 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Recusant, 4, #429 of 1470 🔗

Similar with Andrea Leadsom. ..she was happy to make any number of assertions, all based on what the PM told her! The PM in turn seems to rely on the noises made by that box of slippery eels – SAGE and his chief advisors.,

227972 annie, replying to annie, 19, #430 of 1470 🔗

So (see above) the Coward Churches are now saying:

We have had reaffirmed, through the bitter experience of the last six months, the critical role that faith plays in moments of tremendous crisis, and we believe public worship is essential.

I like that ‘we have had reaffirmed’. They didn’t quite dare to claim that ‘we have reaffirmed’. Because it would be a great big lie.

The Archdeacon of Hastings tells us that one Anglican bishop threatened his incumbents with disciplinary action during the first incarceration, if they went into their own churches, alone, to offer prayers on behalf of their suffering congregations. Which was specifically permitted by the Fascist Junta.

I’m ashamed of being an Anglican.

227977 ▶▶ James007, replying to annie, 7, #431 of 1470 🔗

I agree. It is disgraceful. The Church has acted like a branch of the Civil Service.

228094 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to James007, 1, #432 of 1470 🔗

Well – that’s what it is. Always has been – with membership of the HoL built in for the Bish class – just as for the Civil Service.

227985 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to annie, 5, #433 of 1470 🔗

I am afraid that if it is a choice between serving the Kingdom of God or the Kingdom of England, the Anglican church always makes the wrong call.

227993 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to annie, 1, #434 of 1470 🔗

I agree Annie – I am disillusioned with its response. I sent the Christian Concern petition (May / June) to the vicar to send out to the congregation. He did not want to be seen to endorse it and in the end it was never sent out. The Anglican Church has been spineless. I have a copy of the Archbishop’s letter to clergy regarding this lockdown, which is better, but is still not (in my view) particularly strong .

227986 DocRC, replying to DocRC, 45, #435 of 1470 🔗

Well I never! Teresa May taking Boris’ lockdown policy to bits. Talking about all the economic and heath downsides. Always thought she was useless but she has gone up in my estimation

228009 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to DocRC, 7, #436 of 1470 🔗

At least she was honourable not like that opportunist liar,Bojo.

228034 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Fingerache Philip., 6, #437 of 1470 🔗

Oh I don’t think TMay was in the smallest bit honourable, but regardless, perhaps she will indeed show herself to be on the right side after all.
What I mean is this: that some people can become worse and worse monsters, perhaps many, but others have a limit beyond which they will not go and at that point they dig their heals in.
It’s my hope that MPs will (and they should have done by now) realise that they are destroying their own children and say Stop. If TMay should turn to that role then I will overlook, though not forget, what she has already done.

228089 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Rosie, 2, #438 of 1470 🔗

Can we leave the serial terrible choices of the Tory Party to one side?

228055 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #439 of 1470 🔗

Honourable? Hoodwinking everyone with the Lancaster House speech and the pretence that David Davis was conducting the Brexit negotiations when he wasn’t.

228012 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to DocRC, 3, #440 of 1470 🔗

Well she couldn’t go down any further I guess but I see what you are saying. We need as many people as we can on side and I personally will drop any animosity towards anybody else, all of it, to resolve this problem.

We can return to our usual factions, over a pint is my preferred option, once we have got back to old normal.

228309 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Arnie, #441 of 1470 🔗

She’s making an interesting backbencher though.

228024 ▶▶ Jo, replying to DocRC, 7, #442 of 1470 🔗

I would now like to think she at least considered some of the points in my last 3 emails to her! I posted yesterday that she sent me Hancock’s reply – obviously sent to a whole load of constituents as she couldn’t reply individually (which she has in the past). I’ve already asked earlier today for a meeting with her. I’ve met her a few times before. Now feeling a little more upbeat that she might agree, and might listen! if she agrees will also mention vaccine business which has upset me so much today.

228042 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to DocRC, 2, #443 of 1470 🔗

That bitter old loser had her chance, and she was shite.

228067 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Recusant, 5, #444 of 1470 🔗

She was a terrible home sec, and terrible PM. But before that she was a very good constituency MP. I have never voted Tory, but never minded when she got in.

228191 ▶▶ Toby Pierides, replying to DocRC, #445 of 1470 🔗

It’s great that she’s attacking him but this is just a (Remainer) woman scorned having her revenge. Wonder if she is actually a sceptic…

227998 James007, replying to James007, 28, #446 of 1470 🔗

I have only just noticed that the ‘rule of 6’ has become a ‘rule of 1’. I missed that one.

In general, you must not meet people socially. However, you can exercise or meet in a public, outdoors space with people you live with, your support bubble (or as part of a childcare bubble), or with one other person.

I have also only just noticed that meeting people in a private garden is now banned.

Like most other readers, I believe that the rules are immoral and we should not comply with something just because it is the law when it is immoral. However many friends and families believe they must otherwise 4,000 a day may die. It effects all of us.

228006 ▶▶ chaos, replying to James007, 1, #447 of 1470 🔗

What about estate agent inspections? I can’t be arsed to tidy up. One is booked for tomorrow.

228069 ▶▶ bucky99, replying to James007, 2, #448 of 1470 🔗

Been banned in local restrictions and then the Tier (2 & 3) for a while now.

And ignored.

228077 ▶▶ DRW, replying to James007, 1, #449 of 1470 🔗

No registration of that so impossible to enforce.

228099 ▶▶▶ bucky99, replying to DRW, #450 of 1470 🔗

Ah interesting, it was in the legislative stuff that introduced the Tier system… does this latest one not reference it then?

228085 ▶▶ RickH, replying to James007, 4, #451 of 1470 🔗

Remember the two magic words, beginning with ‘F’ and ‘O’.

Indicated politely, but with a knowledge of your fundamental rights.

228001 Jamie, replying to Jamie, 21, #452 of 1470 🔗

Hey lockdown sceptics. Jonathan Sumption writing in the Guardian today.

Tide turning? The early upvotes, even on the Guardian seem to suggest so. If you have an account, let’s get on there and upvote in an attempt to change Guardian editorial policy!

228007 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Jamie, 1, #453 of 1470 🔗

Pity about most of the comments though!

228014 ▶▶▶ Jamie, replying to Poppy, 6, #454 of 1470 🔗

I found a good % of the comments to be sceptical. If we upvote those comments the Guardian may start listening.

Look, I know it’s only a small thing, but surely it’s best to do something rather than moaning and doing nothing.

228026 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Jamie, 7, #455 of 1470 🔗

I’m sympathetic Jamie, and if I were reading thát article, then I would upvote those comments.

But ‘The Guardian’ is part of the agenda – eg the Gates Foundation has given them millions for the ‘Global Development Section’

It is essentially a propaganda outfit.

228039 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jamie, replying to calchas, 6, #456 of 1470 🔗

I totally agree with that – but it’s the minds of the people who read the Guardian and it’s editors we need to convince, otherwise we’re in an echo chamber. If they realise they have public opinion wrong then we are more likely to see these kinds of articles in the future and the more people are exposed to a different viewpiont … it’s a small thing but everything counts

228049 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Jamie, 2, #457 of 1470 🔗

Yes, by all means , we should fight our corner elsewhere – and I do

The Guardian is very quick to censor, so you must learn to tread a fine line to get your message out.

I speak from experience.

228056 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jamie, replying to calchas, 1, #458 of 1470 🔗

I know that – I’m banned!.

And I’m banned for making the same comments that Sumption is making!

The media don’t want to lose readers, if they do that their funding and advertising revenues decrease so I genuinely think they are interested in the support for the viewpoint – they’ve probably seen the their readership decrease during this crisis and they could genuinely be trying to find out why

228062 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Jamie, 7, #459 of 1470 🔗

In March I commented in ‘The Guardian’ linking to that government paper (from one week before), where ‘covid’ is listed as not being considered a ‘High Consequence Infectious Disease’

Comment removed after 5 minutes.

228022 ▶▶ Jamie, replying to Jamie, 9, #460 of 1470 🔗

Also, this is the first article I’e sen in 8 months where comments have been turned on for an article that comes from a sceptic standpoint. Maybe they’re testing the water?

228061 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Jamie, 5, #461 of 1470 🔗

I think this worthwhile, also we can see what the other side is saying. The sceptical comments have the most upticks, although most seem to be double digits at most. I have spent time going through and upticking where appropriate .

228066 ▶▶▶ Jamie, replying to Ozzie, 4, #462 of 1470 🔗

Brilliant – let’s swing it our way!

228106 ▶▶▶▶ Jamie, replying to Jamie, #463 of 1470 🔗

And those who can comment, comment!

Unfortunately I can’t 🙁

228265 ▶▶ John P, replying to Jamie, 1, #464 of 1470 🔗

The Guardian is well past the point of no return!

228003 Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 7, #465 of 1470 🔗

The Sun newspaper (I don’t really read it but it somehow sent a notification to my phone) has categorically stated that all travel outside of the country is banned, including for those undertaking business trips and expats returning to their homes.

I cannot see any specific legislation concerning this. It would seem to me they are blatantly lying, and that travel abroad would fall under the general exemptions. An I missing something? If so can someone let me know asap as I’m flying on Friday!

228023 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 2, #466 of 1470 🔗

I cannot find any mention of restrictions on air travel in UKSI-2020-1200 .

228199 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #467 of 1470 🔗

The guidance says you cannot travel overseas or within the UK, unless for work, education or other legally permitted reasons. But that’s guidance not law, as Mabel says. A quick search of the legislation doesn’t even turn up the word ‘travel’.

228267 ▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Sam Vimes, #468 of 1470 🔗

A bit like the “guidance” that schools should close in March.

Everyone just assumed it was law and rolled over.

228005 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 31, #469 of 1470 🔗

In 1968 when I was 19 going on 20 we were in the Hongkong flu “pandemic” which the records show killed 100,000 plus people in this country.
My wife and myself never heard of a single case let alone any deaths from HKF also we both had grandparents all in their late 60’s, 70’s and 1 ( my grandmother who had a underlying health problem) in her 80’s who lived for a good few years afterwards.
I rest my case.

228030 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Fingerache Philip., 7, #470 of 1470 🔗

My school never closed either.

228050 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to p02099003, 2, #471 of 1470 🔗

Didn’t have internet so no WFH-loving teachers back then.

228078 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to p02099003, 1, #472 of 1470 🔗

And I carried on working 50 hours a week.

228038 ▶▶ Will, replying to Fingerache Philip., 9, #473 of 1470 🔗

Funnily enough, I was talking to my mother who caught flu in 68 when she was 30. To say my mother is tough would be an understatement: in her sixties she was dropped by her horse and smash and dislocated her shoulder, gashed her arm, requiring 30 + stitches and lost a few teeth. She walked six miles home, leading her horse so couldn’t even hold onto her mangled arm swinging at her side. She said that one dose of flu was so bad she could only crawl to the toilet from her bed…. if it was that bad for an extremely fit young mother Christ knows what it was like for the vulnerable…

228079 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Will, 1, #474 of 1470 🔗


228040 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #475 of 1470 🔗

I was working in London in 1968 and I don’t recall hearing about an epidemic never mind being sick.

228084 ▶▶▶ dorset dumpling, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #476 of 1470 🔗

I was in my second year of teaching at a secondary school and recall nothing untoward happening regarding flu. I do recall the ’57/’58 season but only because I didn’t get ill and the three forms of entry at my grammar school were pit in to one for a few weeks because there were so many girls and staff absent.

228095 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to dorset dumpling, #477 of 1470 🔗

I also remember the Asian flu in 1956 because my brother who was 6 or 7 at the time had the “AF”? or perhaps it was the normal flu and I thought that he was was going to burn through the pillow, his face was that inflamed.
My mother in law had the AF and she said “it felt like someone was pouring ice cold water over her head”
In both cases, strangely no other member of both households were ill.

228088 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Bella Donna, 1, #478 of 1470 🔗

My point exactly.
I was living on the Shropshire/Staffordshire border and my wife was in Stourbridge (then in Worcestershire) and it was only in 2020 that we realised that HKF happened in 1968.

228076 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #479 of 1470 🔗

Oh – I knew about it. I copped a load – as I had done in the bigger epidemic ten years previously. And that first one was very unpleasant if you got a bad dose.

But it was just what it was – one of those periodic epidemics. Nobody wet their knickers and ran for cover.

228091 ▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #480 of 1470 🔗

That’s what I can’t understand. We have dealt with nasty killer viruses in the past and carried on while taking care.Why can’t we do that now?

228103 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Cheshirecatslave, 3, #481 of 1470 🔗

Just go back to when Princess Diana died and it became fashionable to be a cry baby namby pamby wimp and it has gone downhill ever since.

228174 ▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 2, #482 of 1470 🔗

We can but the majority of people are ‘good citizens’ and enjoy playing their part and helping out in fighting this ghastly pandemic. If we all just turned off the media and went about our lives this thing would be over by morning.

228013 Paul, replying to Paul, 9, #483 of 1470 🔗

I just love the endless nannying emails I receive from businesses etc that I have dealt with before,I don’t know what I would do without busybodies telling me what to do in my own home.
The latest is from Checkatrade,

Take sensible precautions while work is carried out:

  • Clean surfaces around the working area and in ‘high traffic’ areas such as door handles with disinfectant before, during and after work is carried out.
  • Keep internal doors open and minimise touching of door handles.
  • If work is taking place in an area you use frequently, such as the stairs or kitchen, consider ways to avoid using that space when work takes place.
  • Ask your tradesperson to bring their own mug, kettle or food.
  • Try to avoid too much face-to-face contact with those working in your home – ideally less than 15 minutes.
  • Make sure any shared facilities, like toilets or kitchens, are thoroughly cleaned after each shift.
  • Tradespeople may opt to wear face coverings, in line with government advice.
228018 ▶▶ Mark H, replying to Paul, 9, #484 of 1470 🔗

This obsession with surfaces: isn’t the deadly virus airborne? Is there evidence it lands on surfaces and makes them deadly?

228028 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Mark H, 6, #485 of 1470 🔗

Viruses are not alive.. they do not replicate outside of a body.. on a surface they are virtually harmless.

228068 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mark H, 3, #486 of 1470 🔗

None at all.

… but that level of evidence is par for the course.

228027 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Paul, 8, #487 of 1470 🔗

Absolute rubbish. All the trades persons to my house just did what they normally do. It’s not like we spit on each other.

228029 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to thinkaboutit, 11, #488 of 1470 🔗

Same here. They all think it’s bollocks. Happily accepted tea also.

228037 ▶▶▶▶ Paul, replying to kh1485, 8, #489 of 1470 🔗

We had an electrician in yesterday,he thinks it utter crap and just wants to get back to normal.Every other trades person we’ve had in this year has been completely normal except for a plumber who didn’t want to remove his mask ‘just in case’.

228202 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Paul, #490 of 1470 🔗

Just in case a virus particle was magically enlarged to be bigger than the pores in his mask?

228035 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to thinkaboutit, 12, #491 of 1470 🔗

Same here. We did a flat move recently with a large firm who sent a list of rules as long as your arm. The workers arrived and observed none of it, and behaved like normal human beings pre-covid.

228083 ▶▶▶ sam, replying to thinkaboutit, 3, #492 of 1470 🔗

me too and about 2 months [ easy to lose track of time now dont even know what month it is sometimes or how long this idiocy has gone on for or what year it is ] ago nice trades person came here wearing a mask at the door, i covered my mouth with my t shirt and he said you dont have to do that, and i said you dont have to wear a mask and my friend too wasnt wearing one none of us wore masks.

he didnt believe in the enforced masks either ,was wonderful ! and months ago too. no way will i get a vaccine

228131 ▶▶ annie, replying to Paul, 6, #493 of 1470 🔗

No arrogant little ponce is telling me what to do in my own home.
No sodding tradesperson is coming into my house wearing a face nappy.
And if they don’t want to drink out of one of my mugs, they can bloody well go without.

228021 JamesDrebin, replying to JamesDrebin, 8, #494 of 1470 🔗

Disturbing stuff!

That’s all we have to say about the most sinister agenda looking more and more real by the day? Now that is disturbing stuff.

228032 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to JamesDrebin, 15, #495 of 1470 🔗

I can’t blame Toby/Will for being cautious with this topic. Credit to them for acknowledging the subject and providing the links for readers to study and make up their own minds.

If this website is identified as being out-and-out anti-vaccination then Toby will already be aware that it will be completely shut down.

228200 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Richard O, 1, #496 of 1470 🔗

Can it not be moved to uncensored channels now? Or copied there at least? Bitchute or whatever else they’re called? Or is that a YouTube alternative? Sorry -I’m not very knowledgeable about such things, but losing this site is one of my biggest worries.

228408 ▶▶▶ JamesDrebin, replying to Richard O, #497 of 1470 🔗

Yes I have sympathy with that viewpoint of course. But I would hope that some investigation is done into what safeguards exist against forced or coerced inoculation, and that some kind of reassurance or plan of resistance is discussed here, should it look even more likely than it does now. If you see what I mean.

228048 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 1, #498 of 1470 🔗

Well if it’s a Biden win, there is an upside in that the pandemic ends the day after his Inauguration.

228053 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to OKUK, 11, #499 of 1470 🔗

Not a chance!

A friend of mine lives in the rural Midwest and is dreading a Biden regime. Starting with the federal universal mask mandate that was his only campaign pledge.

228057 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to OKUK, 4, #500 of 1470 🔗

Not sure about that. The Democrats are already in too deep.

Indeed, if Biden has won, that has been achieved in great part by Democrat governors using Covid as an excuse to destroy Trump’s economic progress. King Covid has given the Democrats power; I’m not sure they can just dump it now. Or that they want to.

228071 ▶▶ DRW, replying to OKUK, 4, #501 of 1470 🔗

More likely he starts issuing national mandates. But this could be another 2000, no clear winner for weeks.

228072 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 1, #502 of 1470 🔗

I am looking for information on new specific guidelines to schools. Anyone?

This link only states that schools should stay open https://www.gov.uk/guidance/new-national-restrictions-from-5-november#going-to-school-college-and-university

228081 ▶▶ bucky99, replying to Victoria, 1, #503 of 1470 🔗

I’m not aware there has been any? Certainly we’ve not been sent anything, and the school are usually fairly prompt on their updates (at least, since they reopened and they had staff actually working).

228107 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Victoria, #504 of 1470 🔗

Nothing specific – schools have already been operating with various guidelines, which remain. Some schools have been mandating more mask wearing, but this is not the government’s directive.

228209 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Victoria, #505 of 1470 🔗
228073 DocRC, replying to DocRC, 13, #506 of 1470 🔗

I had an interesting discussion with another Doctor yesterday during my annual appraisal- required by the GMC.

I was a GP for 30 years but now work in sports medicine. My appraiser is a GP in a neighbouring town. The subject of SARS-Cov-2 vaccination came up. He said the Practice have been told by NHS management to be ready to start vaccinations in December. Incidentally, we both agreed we wouldn’t be having it until, like all other vaccines, it had been properly trialled and that it does seem crazy to vaccinate the population against a virus which for the vast majority will be a mild illness with a vaccine which will inevitably not be very effective.

228097 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to DocRC, 4, #507 of 1470 🔗

If it is not effective, how can it be a vaccine? Isn’t this just another example of the misuse of the language?

228301 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Steve Hayes, #508 of 1470 🔗

Absolutely right, what they’re probably referring to is at best either a placebo with unquantified effects whether beneficial or otherwise, or just plain old snake oil with the same unknowns.

228074 robert hales, 4, #509 of 1470 🔗

Well the Government data website is down for the most important Parliamentary debate this century. Having listened to a large number of MP’s it is abundantly clear none have any idea of the true state of the spread of the disease or the current use of hospital and ICU beds. How convenient their data site is down – and none can check basic facts (i wonder if they even know how)

228080 Voz 0db, 6, #510 of 1470 🔗

US election… The best available depiction of what a FAKE democracy is!

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228086 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 9, #511 of 1470 🔗

Steve Baker, between the lines, seemed to call for Whitty and Valence to go in 28 days. Said that never again should their modelling, as seen on Saturday, see the light of day.

Luke Evans stands up directly after and pulls the emotionally blackmail card. Long Covid, Italy, PTSD for NHS workers (not those making TikTok vids of course).

Let’s bunker down, bailout out everyone onto the Governments balance sheet, and wait on a vaccine. What a muppet

The number of MPs standing up saying they hold liberty and freedom close to their heart but will vote for lockdown again. They know, somehow, that by building back better we will emerge into a bright post covid future.

Jesus Christ. Resign.

228093 ▶▶ jb12, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 10, #512 of 1470 🔗

What PTSD? NHS workers see people dying every year, it is part of their job.

228151 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to jb12, 6, #513 of 1470 🔗

Exactly. They were never overrun. However they killed covid patients by putting them on ventilators

228087 andyg, replying to andyg, 2, #514 of 1470 🔗

Where can I find out about any anti lock down demo. I just need to get out and do something.

228115 ▶▶ ambwozere, replying to andyg, 1, #515 of 1470 🔗

StandUpX have a website re demos or I believe there is one in Westminster either this evening or tomorrow evening, sorry can’t remember which day it is.

228179 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to andyg, 3, #516 of 1470 🔗

There’s one tomorrow evening at Trafalgar Square, which is more an anti-austerity demo (at least, the organisation started out that way). It’s a (Guy Fawkes) masked protest.

Sticking with London, there is another anti-lockdown protest march planned for the 28th November, precise starting point tbc. I recommend you contact the webmasters of either of these sites, who can put you in touch with protests in other towns and cities:

https://www.standupx.info @StandUpX2 on Twitter

https://saveourrights.uk SaveOurRightsUK on Facebook

228090 Mabel Cow, replying to Mabel Cow, 12, #517 of 1470 🔗

For those of you who want to arm yourself with the law, I’ve made a mobile-friendly version of the lockdown 2.0 statutory instrument (UKSI-2020-1200).

I’ve also fiddled with the print settings so you can print out a copy to take with you. If you print it double-sided on A4, it should be 7 pages.

228166 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Mabel Cow, #518 of 1470 🔗

Thank you!

228211 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Mabel Cow, #519 of 1470 🔗

Nice touch, Mabel. Also, the first pdf version is here, it’s a bit easier to scroll through or use Ctrl F with, for us desktop folk.


228092 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 11, #520 of 1470 🔗

reading Toby’s piece is either depressing or encouraging depending on your point of view. Looks like this is the final lockdown. It leaves no room for one post Christmas. As for Whitty and Vallance- this piece does part way explain their unease in recent performances- there are like some hostage video hoping we can pick up on any secret communication. Sounds like it won’t end well. I can’t see people readily complying this time

228102 ▶▶ DRW, replying to crimsonpirate, 3, #521 of 1470 🔗

Media were hinting yesterday that another one “might” be needed…

228114 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #522 of 1470 🔗

It leaves no room for one post Christmas ” – I don’t know how you can be so sure of this…?

228213 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to mattghg, 2, #523 of 1470 🔗

I don’t think businesses the people or Tory MPS will support it. Now the data falsified I might add has been blown out of the water and the telegraph mail and other well read forums.

F******g Starmer’so and his cronies.

228147 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to crimsonpirate, 7, #524 of 1470 🔗

Frankly, I’m surprised they were stupid enough to go for this one. It is clear now that serious unrest is growing worldwide against this lunacy. Whether incompetence, arse-covering or international conspiracy, all but one of the wheels have fallen off the bus, and the one remaining is forcing the bus to career madly around in circles.

228165 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Nick Rose, 5, #525 of 1470 🔗

The mood us certainly different from the mood in March.
In England, at least. The horrible Welsh zombie anglophobes, who have the evil ear of Poison Tortoise Dungford, haven’t changed at all, They are vermin and we need to get rid of them.

228195 ▶▶ CGL, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #526 of 1470 🔗

Sounds like a song – The Final Lockdown – blokes with long hair as I recall.
Sorry not funny, but I’ll cry otherwise.

228096 Mabel Cow, replying to Mabel Cow, 5, #527 of 1470 🔗

I’ve fixed the images on Panscepticon , so now you can see all of the pictures that have been uploaded each day.

228110 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Mabel Cow, #528 of 1470 🔗

This is such a great resource, much appreciated. A couple of questions out of concern/interest:

1) Do you have an offline backup of the data?
2) What tools do you use to perform data analysis (e.g. top posters)?

228176 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Richard O, 6, #529 of 1470 🔗

It’s a four-phase process:

1. Fetch phase: Grab all the daily news pages, including all comments.
2. Extract phase: Parse each page to create a database of articles and comments.
3. Render phase: Recreate each daily page using the captured information.
4. Publish phase: Copy the rendered pages to panscepticon.org.

Steps 2, 3, and 4 are trivial, but step 1 was a nuisance.

Ordinarily, I’d just use wget to download each page, but that doesn’t work on LS because this site uses wpDiscuz to manage its comments, and wpDiscuz loads the comments one chunk at a time using client-side JavaScript. I had hoped to use the wpDiscuz web APIs to query for comments, but I couldn’t work out how to do it (wpDiscuz does not publish much in the way of API documentation).

I therefore resorted to using Selenium with a headless instance of Google Chrome to render each daily page, and then a Python script that repeatedly jumps to the bottom of the page to force another chunk of comments to load. I keep looping until the page tells me that there are no more comments, and then I save the HTML that has been accumulated to a local file.

Once I have the HTML for each of the daily pages, the rest is just a matter of hacking Python until I get what I want. Any additional data processing or analysis is just done by working with the Python representation of the extracted articles and comments.

Everything is downloaded, computed, and built locally. Consequently, I have a full local mirror of everything.

The site itself is entirely static and is served using the AWS CDN, so it’s pretty nippy. It has no JavaScript, no cookies, and no page tracking. I deliberately chose to host the core resources in the US to avoid any interference by the UK government.

228373 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Mabel Cow, #530 of 1470 🔗

Fantastic work, thanks for the details. My knowledge of APIs, Python and AWS is pretty sketchy.

Great to know that you have local copies of everything.

228121 ▶▶ JVS, replying to Mabel Cow, #531 of 1470 🔗

You are a star! Thank you so much, I really appreciate it 🙂

228141 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #532 of 1470 🔗

Great name!

228660 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Mabel Cow, #533 of 1470 🔗

Hi Mabel, 🙂

Is there anything else to see on the page? I only see a list of the dates under Daily News; obviously clicking each date brings up the posts.

Just wondering if I was missing something, as I saw the other day you posted a ‘league table’ of posters by post numbers.

Just asking. 😉

229029 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Ceriain, 1, #534 of 1470 🔗

Now that I’ve fixed the broken images, my next job is to gussy up the site with stuff like user rankings and post histories, etc. I’ll get on this over the next few days.

229138 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Mabel Cow, #535 of 1470 🔗

Cool! Can’t wait to see it. Great stuff! 🙂

228098 steph, replying to steph, 13, #536 of 1470 🔗

What I really, really don’t understand is the “gang of four” know they are manipulating the data. We would call it lying so let’s be accurate.
They know they are lying, we know they are lying, they know that we know they are lying. It can’t really end well can it?

228117 ▶▶ annie, replying to steph, 11, #537 of 1470 🔗

Not for them it can’t.
Mike Yeadon’s letter will be produced in court at Nuremberg as total, absolute, irrefutable proof the the Fascist Junta and their gangsters knew the truth and deliberately ignored it.
Belmarsh. And they can count themselves lucky if it isn’t the hangman’s noose.

228136 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to steph, 7, #538 of 1470 🔗

No it can’t. I bet they are now wishing they had back-pedalled in April. They dug their hole and kept going. To judge from reactions around the world to this crisis from other countries, it is clear that very few, other than Brazil and Sweden, have actual epidemiologists advising their governments. The remainder have been bereft of any real courage, leadership, ideas, or vision.

228702 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to steph, #539 of 1470 🔗


228100 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 14, #540 of 1470 🔗

Okay, i think we now know the price of getting “normality” or some semblance of life as we once knew back again:-
No one can vote for “populist” or “nationalist” politicians. This is simply not part of the agenda.
Likewise seemingly populist “causes” such as Brexit will be reversed – unless unimaginable economic hardship and a loss of personal freedom is the price worth paying.

This year has been the ultimate payback for 2016. Democracy is dying.

228113 ▶▶ ambwozere, replying to nickbowes, 5, #541 of 1470 🔗

Perhaps this version of democracy needs to die in order for a better version to arise from the ashes? Not saying it will be easy or instant but political changes are coming.

228125 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to ambwozere, 1, #542 of 1470 🔗

They most certainly are :o)) I’m looking forward to a lot of them.

228168 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to ambwozere, 1, #543 of 1470 🔗

I believe that is true. There are dark clouds but we will have to realise that freedom and liberty is all. We’ve taken it for granted. That will be the reset. Not this technocracy the globalsists believe in. Unfortunately that won’t come cheap.

228122 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to nickbowes, 1, #544 of 1470 🔗

“This year has been the ultimate payback for 2016.”

Really? I don’t see anybody winning out there.

228105 Ozzie, 2, #545 of 1470 🔗

Take a look at Simon Dolan’s twitter feed for this afternoon for ideas of support.


228109 Mark H, replying to Mark H, 13, #546 of 1470 🔗

Not sure if this has been posted already:

Woman filming claims her mother has been arrested for taking her 97 year old grandmother from a care home.

228135 ▶▶ DomW, replying to Mark H, 1, #547 of 1470 🔗

Evil stalks the land

228139 ▶▶ Polemon2, replying to Mark H, 1, #548 of 1470 🔗

I wonder who called the police? Suspension of Mental Capcity Act Deprivation of Liberty safeguards?

228169 ▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to Polemon2, 11, #549 of 1470 🔗

the care home obviously. I once had an arguement with a sister in a hospital for taking pictures of bruises in on my mums back she got in hospital. She said I needed my mums permisssion and I couldnt take pics in the hospital anyway. Mum had dementia and I said I dont need her permission take take pictures of bruises she never had the day before and even if I did I was taking them anyway. She asked me to delete them or give her the phone. I told her were to get off and she went to get security. I just left with my phone and my pictures ready for when we had to show them as part of our case with the care home and the hospital. People in the NHS have been trained to think their power and decision making trumps any patients or patient’s family.
The case above will end with an NFA and no apology given by the police or the care home.

228225 ▶▶▶▶ sam, replying to Iansn, 1, #550 of 1470 🔗

my mom got bedsores that she never had before,it took a month to get her back home and only with help from lawyer brother. she was only put there by relative who lied to us. others were begging my brother to take them out of there too, it was the saddest thing.and my friend , a nurse , was not allowed to take her mom home to care for her. it was all about money. disgraceful.

228111 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 48, #551 of 1470 🔗

Philip Davies, the MP for Shipley, told the House that anyone voting for the lockdown measures was voting to sacrifice other people’s livelihoods, and that he would have more respect if they were making the same sacrifice. He specifically challenged the Health Secretary to do so.

228119 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #552 of 1470 🔗


228123 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Victoria, 2, #553 of 1470 🔗

The irony being, that if Farage etc, are serious, they may be doing that anyway. And maybe sooner than 2024

228171 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to kf99, #554 of 1470 🔗

Have you forgotten that they cancelled elections?

228212 ▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #555 of 1470 🔗

There’s a rare sign of integrity and leadership.

228530 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Steve Hayes, #556 of 1470 🔗

Modest proposal: part of “never again” arrangements, if MPs ever again vote for lockdown measures their salaries should be cut by 30% for the duration. Of course any such measures should be time limited, subject to parliamentary debate and approval and subject to Referendum approval if exceeding one month’s duration in one year.

228857 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Steve Hayes, #557 of 1470 🔗

I’ve just watched the two videos of his speech on his twitter feed. It’s very good but Hancock is such an arrogant cunt he’s sat there playing on his fucking phone.

228112 DressageRider, 13, #558 of 1470 🔗

#Cancelthelockdown is trending on twitter now.

228124 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 5, #559 of 1470 🔗

38 voted against. Fate is sealed.

228137 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Sarigan, 4, #560 of 1470 🔗

If they had been against this lunacy back in March, it might have had some traction.

228126 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 8, #561 of 1470 🔗

Matt Hancock told parliament that the “virus lives and breathes of the essence of what it is to be human.”

I would have thought, even if he had been totally ignorant of viruses prior to this, he would have bothered to learn the most basic facts.

228140 ▶▶ DomW, replying to Steve Hayes, 13, #562 of 1470 🔗

So he’s a fucking poet now is he ? Or still just an evil, ignorant cunt.

228153 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to DomW, 11, #563 of 1470 🔗

There is absolutely nothing human about Wancock.
The virus lives and breathes in him. Not stupid Rona, but the germ of all evil, Satan in whatever guise you choose to view him.

228156 ▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to DomW, 3, #564 of 1470 🔗

The latter.

228187 ▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to DomW, 4, #565 of 1470 🔗

He’s a Granny Killer.

228149 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Steve Hayes, 9, #566 of 1470 🔗

He knows nothing about humanity apart from how to destroy it.

228198 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Steve Hayes, 10, #567 of 1470 🔗

Fucking hell, it’s the flu, not a fucking time travelling organism trying to destroy the world, oh, hold on that’s Claus Schwab

228226 ▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #568 of 1470 🔗

Has he just been watching The Expanse or something?

I’m no virologist, biologist, neurologist or philosopher, but I’m pretty sure viruses don’t live, breathe or have any understanding, metaphorical or otherwise, of what it is to be human. Oddly enough, I also have little understanding of what it is to be a virus, although I’m guessing Matt Hancock probably does.

228557 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Steve Hayes, #569 of 1470 🔗

Eh? Is he on medication? One spliff too many with his breakfast? Infected with nerve agent by Chinese special agents.

228127 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 15, #570 of 1470 🔗

You know what I haven’t noticed?

The barrage of annoying Christmas adverts.

Funny that

228220 ▶▶ Ricky R, replying to mhcp, 5, #571 of 1470 🔗

I’m expecting full on covid virtue-signalling, zoom christmas dinners, snowmen spaced out 2 meters apart, we’re all in this together, stay together whilst staying apart bull.

228230 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to mhcp, 3, #572 of 1470 🔗

Get ready for the lockdown decoration zoom parties, how to make granny a christmas themed mask and last but not least.. a John Lewis ad, featuring their soon to be redundant work force

228714 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to mhcp, #573 of 1470 🔗

Heh. Had seen or heard nothing until this afternoon at the garden centre, where they had ‘Merry Xmas, Everyone’ playing quite loudly.

228129 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 13, #574 of 1470 🔗
228142 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to Victoria, 1, #575 of 1470 🔗


228148 ▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Eddy, 4, #576 of 1470 🔗

There are no words .. perhaps, what have we become?

228160 ▶▶▶▶ Eddy, replying to charleyfarley, 4, #577 of 1470 🔗

I meant I am lost for words.

228145 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Victoria, 6, #578 of 1470 🔗

I genuinely don’t know what to say. Is this England?

228164 ▶▶▶ Eddy, replying to leggy, 5, #579 of 1470 🔗

Yes but not as you remember it.

228172 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Victoria, 4, #580 of 1470 🔗

Disgraceful goons. The Australian model, been coming for months

228181 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Victoria, 5, #581 of 1470 🔗

Wow, that is heartbreaking

228206 ▶▶▶ sam, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #582 of 1470 🔗

i cried ,i hope that your wonderful nan and mother will win. this is despicable to do this to a 97 year old ,she reminds me of my dear mom

228204 ▶▶ sam, replying to Victoria, 3, #583 of 1470 🔗

i cried ,i hope that your wonderful nan and mother will win. this is despicable to do this to a 97 year old ,she reminds me of my dear mom

228670 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to sam, 1, #584 of 1470 🔗

I cried too – I hereby disown my country – I will no longer refer to myself as either English or British. Not sure yet what I am, but not either of them.

228130 Jay Berger, replying to Jay Berger, 15, #585 of 1470 🔗


Lord Sumption given airtime at the Graun.
The interesting thing is that the most popular comments are now all supportive.
Whilst the editors picks are more neutral and little liked.
Progress, I’d say.

228143 ▶▶ annie, replying to Jay Berger, 4, #586 of 1470 🔗

It’s amazing that the Grauniad should publish an essay by a sane, intelligent, eminent lawyer snd outstanding historian.
Not Grauniad territory at all.
Is there an LD mole in their office?

228132 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 12, #587 of 1470 🔗

I watched the “debate”. A couple of times I felt moved to tears by the resistant MP’s and then angered by the blindness of others.

The debate lacks context and yet the context is the most vital thing. Is this endemic and seasonal virus worse than what is faced each winter. If yes then act. If no. Then stop. And without context it can never cease.

I actually don’t want to bash people for no reason and felt Handjob was at least appearing to be emotional. I think perhaps he knows the game for him is now up.

It was telling how Johnson disappeared for most of the debate and how many Tory MP’s seemed absent from the debate.

Steve Baker seemed to realise he was sold a pup, that was at least good. The MP from East Sussex and Broxbourne stand out for praise.

It seemed as though no negatives were allowed to build with one “no” quickly followed by a “reluctant yes”.

And into house arrest we go. Rather than be a decent member of society I might as well stole money or lived a bad life, I would be no worse off and unlikely to have spent longer banged up.

228562 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Leemc23, #588 of 1470 🔗

Baker has reclaimed some small portion of his reputation.

228133 p02099003, replying to p02099003, #589 of 1470 🔗
228146 ▶▶ DRW, replying to p02099003, 6, #590 of 1470 🔗

Dancing imminent!

228158 ▶▶▶ Eddy, replying to DRW, 2, #591 of 1470 🔗

What time does the pan knocking start?

228571 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to DRW, #592 of 1470 🔗

Tik tok countdown to a virus spreading song and dance routine. All together now:

Y Rnt U Full?

Y Rnt U Full?

228306 ▶▶ Sceptic in Oxford, replying to p02099003, #593 of 1470 🔗

Can we just call ourselves what we have become: the National Covid-only Service with a a loose collection of countries attached called the Disunited Kingdom.

228134 Eddy, replying to Eddy, 26, #594 of 1470 🔗


228150 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Eddy, 22, #595 of 1470 🔗

Most MP’s really are thick scum. They are leeches on society that contribute absolutely nothing to the welfare of this nation. Fat Pigs in the trough!!

228193 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to FlynnQuill, 5, #596 of 1470 🔗

Much emphasis should be placed on the ‘thick’ there. They have absolutely no idea, and are too stupid to realise it.

228173 ▶▶ Michael Freeman, replying to Eddy, 10, #597 of 1470 🔗

This seems to a be a perfect storm of what Peter Hitchins has pinned at the top of his blog. The psychological operation to actually instil fear in everyone. I’m not sure this was even tried in the 1940’s. It’s idiotic. The first thing to go in fear is the mind. So how is anyone going to “prevent the spread” when they can’t even think straight? The military has long known this, this is why they train soldiers to take affirmative action when under fire to combat any freeze state that can set in. This seems to be what has set in in this country. People have gone into Fight and Flight, and when that failed we got freeze (Tonic Immobility, look up Somatic Experiencing). The body shuts down the mind in a physical way – sympathetic nervous system, parasympathetic, vagus nerve, in order to attempt to protect from the perceived threat – in this case “the virus”. So great. Now we have an entire nation and a political class basically suffering from PTSD.

228300 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Michael Freeman, 1, #598 of 1470 🔗

Hi Michael, thanks for your comment and this is something I’ve been talking about for a long time – when I heard that ‘fight or flight’ should be fight, flight or freeze’ it changed my life as now everything finally made sense. Have you got a website please, or perhaps you will contact me through my website? Would like to talk more because this insight I think is the key to the fightback, for success – many thanks.

Another massive turning point was when I was discussing my many peculiar symptoms with a doctor friend, and she pointed out that everything I mentioned was connected to the vagus nerve, and that’s in your comment as well. At that point another huge tranche of life made sense.


228710 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Rosie, #599 of 1470 🔗

Rosie, some people characterise it as fight, flight, freeze or fawn.

228721 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to ConstantBees, #600 of 1470 🔗

Hmmm… interesting. Good one. I’ll def add that to the list, though I think it’s probably a subset of ‘freeze’, as in freeze one’s emotions and critical faculties and morality.
Ah, I tend to like things in threes , (but not known anything about numerology, before this forum explained about it so nothing to do with that ! )
Fight, flight, freeze or fawn – got it !

228194 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Eddy, 2, #601 of 1470 🔗

Bastards the lot of them.

228138 bucky99, replying to bucky99, 19, #602 of 1470 🔗

Only 38? Pathetic.

228152 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to bucky99, 16, #603 of 1470 🔗

He added: “However well-prepared hospitals, the NHS, GP surgeries are, it is going to be a difficult period.” GP sugeries have been doing the square root of fuck all for 8 months, as have most of the NHS administration. Outpatient services only recently resumed (+- 2months ago) this is just more BS to keep up the fear message. Once a reasonable enough number of whistle blowers get together and start to dish them all in it will be an avalanche.

228183 ▶▶▶ davews, replying to Iansn, 2, #604 of 1470 🔗

And I had to have my flu jab in the surgery car park yesterday as they couldn’t allow anybody inside the building. Effectively closed.

228582 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to davews, #605 of 1470 🔗

What on earth did you have that for? The ‘flu jab is utterly worthless.

228155 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to bucky99, 7, #606 of 1470 🔗

We are going to have to fuck them off now. Time is running out.

228167 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to bucky99, 6, #607 of 1470 🔗

Yesterday they said there would be less than 20 voting against, so it’s better than that I suppose.

228177 ▶▶▶ Michael Freeman, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #608 of 1470 🔗

I suppose any increase in rebels, however small, could be a sign of much bigger shifts on bigger levels.

228154 nocheesegromit, replying to nocheesegromit, 3, #609 of 1470 🔗

Do we have the list of the 38 MPs that voted against?

228184 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to nocheesegromit, 7, #610 of 1470 🔗

WTO was Starmer’so saying. He was just puffing his chest out saying he had recommended the lockdown in September. Look at me me me is what he was saying and f**k the country and it’s citizens. That Burke labour MP tilly said the same. Tory MPS who opposed were conversely brilliant and on point.

May though was great. Had read the stuff. It’seems true the point she made that in the SAGE report in September it was clear that the circuit breaker lockdown proposed would be repeated time and again. Shame on Starmer’so and the Labour partype shame on them.

228203 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to nocheesegromit, #611 of 1470 🔗

Any from the “opposition” party?

228217 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Eddy, 1, #612 of 1470 🔗


228291 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Victoria, #613 of 1470 🔗

and there is surely no stronger evidence that we face a conspiracy, a factual conspiracy according to the normal definition of the word. How else does the Official Opposition get to support a disastrous policy ‘justified’ by falsehoods easily exposed as such?

228207 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to nocheesegromit, #614 of 1470 🔗
228218 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Mabel Cow, #615 of 1470 🔗

Gutted Lucy Allan didn’t come through.

228284 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Charlie Blue, #616 of 1470 🔗

I’m gutted about Bill Cash

228161 kf99, 2, #617 of 1470 🔗

What does Biden’s fictional 10 point lead do to the SNP’s supposed 58% yes poll?

228163 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 2, #618 of 1470 🔗

Worldcovometer showing UK positive tests 25177 and deaths 492. Whether with/from , age and underlying health conditions I know not. No doubt someone will drill down and report.

228182 ▶▶ CGL, replying to arfurmo, 1, #619 of 1470 🔗

Ceriain will!

228669 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to CGL, #620 of 1470 🔗

Thanks for the vote of confidence. 🙂

228190 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to arfurmo, 2, #621 of 1470 🔗

Same numbers coming up on coronavirus-staging.data.gov.uk.

The cases figure though comes within a levelling projection.

Mortalities are clearly rising – but won’t look so bad when calculated by date of occurence and a seven day average has been calculated.

228170 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #622 of 1470 🔗

Very low number of comments today , hope we’re not running out of steam.

228178 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Fingerache Philip., 10, #623 of 1470 🔗

Feeling very down, tbh. The whole world is going to sh*t. My MP has just informed me she voted for lockdown.

228185 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to thinkaboutit, 4, #624 of 1470 🔗

They including my MP will be held to account

228279 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #625 of 1470 🔗

We know precisely where each MP stands now. It’s there in black and white. They have made their choice.
Use the betrayal to focus your anger into cold fury and action.

228572 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Fingerache Philip., #626 of 1470 🔗

And in other news….

228175 calchas, 2, #627 of 1470 🔗

Thereis not a cat in hell’s chance that lockdown will be voted down.

228180 calchas, 3, #628 of 1470 🔗

Faked stats in the US.

Oh, what we covid sceptics can say about fake stats.

228186 John P, 14, #629 of 1470 🔗

To the trolls who think they will break me. You will not.

To the powers who think they have the right to control me. You do not.

To the people who hope we will continue to fight their corner. We will.

Dr Ron Daniels, BEM

228188 Eddy, replying to Eddy, 4, #630 of 1470 🔗

There are a lot of figure fiddlers in the new world order…

228222 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Eddy, #631 of 1470 🔗

Yes, the voting process compared to many other situations, is subject to a great deal of scrutiny.

If ‘votes’ can be found so easily, just think it simple it must be to find ‘cases’.

228189 Mabel Cow, replying to Mabel Cow, 20, #632 of 1470 🔗

Perhaps now is the time to go for an all-out assault on the ring leaders.

Maybe we should turn ourselves into something akin to Nazi hunters and assemble every piece of evidence we can to nail the fuckers at the top.

If Toby’s post is right and lockdown 2.0 is Johnson and Hancock’s last ditch effort, then they have never been more vulnerable to a concerted attack.

I’m happy to act as a collection point for the evidence. I can post it to a special section of Panscepticon .


228276 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Mabel Cow, #633 of 1470 🔗

Brilliant, Mabel – we need some coordination
Can’t advise on tech matters as you already know, but for each of us to chose a task and focus on it is precisely how we might get somewhere.

228308 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #634 of 1470 🔗

I have thought for a while that going after SAGE for telling verifiable lies will ends this all. Doris wont take the wrap, but if they are taken out and then offered the choice, spill the beans or its the end, they will spill the beans. Courts are the only place where this can happen, not whitewash committees and inquiries, short sharp justice. Mike Yeadon approach of gently slandering them needs to be ramped up to something much more aggressive and no the NUremberg defence wont apply Patrick

228201 ▶▶ EssieSW, replying to Sarigan, 1, #636 of 1470 🔗

Really? Wonder what items will be blocked off. If Wales was anything to go by this is going to go down like a cup of cold vomit

228219 ▶▶ Roadrash, replying to Sarigan, 1, #637 of 1470 🔗

Except where they are sold in ‘mixed’ aisles. They just need to throw a few tins of peas in with the Christmas stock.

228260 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Roadrash, 1, #638 of 1470 🔗

Hark the herald Amazons sing!

228231 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Sarigan, #639 of 1470 🔗

Where is this??

228250 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Sarigan, #640 of 1470 🔗

Well, the legislation is out and there’s nothing in that…

228210 ▶▶ Csaba, replying to Mabel Cow, 5, #642 of 1470 🔗

I will send a thank you email to all of them one by one. Let’s let them know that i appreciate their contribution.

228270 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Csaba, #643 of 1470 🔗

Excellent, and perhaps if you would add my name to it? If you don’t mind doing a multi-signatory email? (Rosie Langridge, London)

228221 ▶▶ maggie may, replying to Mabel Cow, 3, #644 of 1470 🔗

Delighted to say that mine (Mark Harper) was one of them. Must be because of the email I sent him – ha ha. But he does seem to be one of the good guys.

228232 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #645 of 1470 🔗

Mine T Loughton too, voted against last time too, so consistent.

228269 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #646 of 1470 🔗

Thanks – and there aren’t many of them.
reading down the list of those who voted for it churns my stomach, people who have betrayed their father – never would Tony Benn have voted for this. What a total ***** [no available vocabulary]

228294 ▶▶ Fiat, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #647 of 1470 🔗

Thanks, Mabel. That’s another email off to my MP (not one of the Magnificent 37).

228214 Roadrash, replying to Roadrash, 19, #648 of 1470 🔗

8 months of this shite and many more months to come and not one thing we do or say on here makes the slightest bit of difference. Facts don’t matter. Hard evidence doesn’t matter. The Government, the opposition, local politicians all just carry on with their ruinous, draconian, anti human, anti society measures. With the result over the Pond looking like it will go in favour of Mr Lockdown there is no way out. We are completely screwed.

228251 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Roadrash, 1, #649 of 1470 🔗

And somehow some on here are still optimistic.

228258 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to DRW, 13, #650 of 1470 🔗

I am.
I compare the slow build-up of anger with Earthquakes. The rocks lock in position and everything looks stable. But the pressure is building and building until finally CERRRRACK.

228299 ▶▶▶▶ VickyA, replying to annie, 5, #651 of 1470 🔗

Great analogy,thanks. I needed a lift today with Liberty being taken away everywhere. Let’s continue the pressure, battle lost, a war still to fight.

228264 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to DRW, 4, #652 of 1470 🔗

It’s called defiance.

228215 Eddy, replying to Eddy, 4, #653 of 1470 🔗

I’ve just seen a lone driver wearing a Man United face nappy. The poor bastard.

228253 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to Eddy, 1, #654 of 1470 🔗

Hahaha! One nil to the Ars-eh-nuul!!!

228268 ▶▶ Fiat, replying to Eddy, 1, #655 of 1470 🔗

On two counts

228337 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Eddy, #656 of 1470 🔗

Ditto:Wolverhampton wanderers.

228216 ArchieMD, replying to ArchieMD, 18, #657 of 1470 🔗

I’ve been thinking about the upcoming Covid-19 vaccine which we are being promised.

In terms of a vaccine, we have effectively created a disastrous situation that was entirely foreseeable. I always knew that a vaccine would be produced – the pressures to come up with some form of vaccine (and the profits involved) are just too great to be resisted.

We now seemingly have no other exit plan given the current strategy.

I’m sure a vaccine is rolling off the production line as we speak. And the effectiveness of the vaccine will only really be understood after a significant period of time has elapsed (and long after the development teams and pharma companies have pocketed their handsome dividends).

I struggle to imagine that the vaccine will be very effective, but that will rapidly become a secondary matter. I believe a far more unpleasant situation now awaits us in the UK.

Even if the vaccine is safe (where one has to balance the risk of the vaccine against the risk from the condition being immunized against), it will still become associated with significant adverse health outcomes in a small number of people if millions of doses are administered. Some of these adverse outcomes will be due to the vaccine, some will not.

Guillain-Barre Syndrome (GBS) is just one of several rare but serious conditions that has been associated with vaccination before. If we consider that the incidence of GBS is about 1:100,000 population in the UK, then this equates to approximately 600 cases presenting each year. If millions are being vaccinated in a short period of time, one would reasonably expect to see several tens of cases of GBS occurring in individuals who had recently received a Covid-19 vaccine. There will be at least a handful of people developing GBS very shortly after the vaccine. This is unavoidable, but it is not difficult to predict how such cases will be disseminated in the media. In the same way that we saw single deaths from Covid-19 (usually young, seemingly fit people) reported one after another in great detail in the media in March and April, we will see a similar reporting of alleged serious reactions to the vaccine. And in the same way that the media reporting on this small number of younger Covid fatalities struck fear into the population, creating an unreasonably heightened perception of risk, so too will the reporting of vaccine reactions create mass fear of the vaccine.

This foreseeable situation will be significantly worsened by the fact that people will feel compelled to accept the vaccine.

It is this inevitable element of compulsion that is particularly concerning. Compulsion is not normally a significant factor in vaccination. I’ve met lots of individuals in the UK who feared allowing their children to be vaccinated, so they didn’t get them vaccinated. This may be frowned on by many (rightly so in my view), but they still had the right to opt out. Flu vaccine is offered; it is not forced upon people. There is a degree of compulsion around occupational vaccines (e.g. Hepatitis B, especially for certain roles such as surgeon) but this is countered by the fact that individuals are choosing a career path, so there is a particularly powerful incentive. Also healthcare staff may be a self selected group that are less likely to be anti-vaccination.

But with a Covid-19 vaccine, we are going to see a very different approach to vaccination – one we have never really encountered before. Very quickly, access to work, education and many other activities will become dependent on being vaccinated. Any reports in the media of serious adverse reactions (no matter how genuine) will quickly spread and generate fear. Many will still regard Covid-19 as the bigger risk, but very many people will not. We have already witnessed this year how the public perception of risk is so easily distorted by the tone of media reports. I fully expect that fear of the vaccine will extend far beyond the usual ‘antivax’ group because of the manner in which compulsion will heighten people’s sense of fear. There could easily be several million, even tens of millions of people who will not want this vaccine, come hell or high water. Added to the strain the country is already experiencing, this could lead to an explosive situation. I wonder if the government strategists have considered this very plausible scenario?

228227 ▶▶ jb12, replying to ArchieMD, 10, #658 of 1470 🔗

Not to sound dismissive, I doubt the media will report in any detail any serious injury resulting from a vaccine, particularly not this year.

228236 ▶▶▶ ArchieMD, replying to jb12, #659 of 1470 🔗

Agree certain sections of the media won’t, but the tabloids? I think certain parts of the media will – they won’t be able to resist.

228229 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to ArchieMD, 3, #660 of 1470 🔗

They should remove the non liability clause, its looks dodgy.

228395 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #661 of 1470 🔗

looks dodgy ?!

228233 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to ArchieMD, 2, #662 of 1470 🔗

Added to the strain the country is already experiencing, this could lead to an explosive situation

Army on the streets, they have been indoctrinated to believe the UK people who they should be protecting are now the enemy.

228234 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to ArchieMD, 7, #663 of 1470 🔗

What you’re saying chimes with Raj Bhopal’s warnings from a couple of months ago:

Vaccines will not be proven to be safer for children and young people than the infection for some years, if ever. Two adenovirus-based vaccines have already been shown to have important side-effects that mimic COVID-19 infection — i.e. fever, pain, fatigue and headache. (7, 8) the side-effects have been glossed over. The side effects are occurring in 70-80% of fit people in the young adult and middle age groups. We really must know whether it is effective in people over 70 years. A vaccine is not going to be a panacea. There will be resistance and it will be contested, including in the courts, as by sheer coincidence people will die or become seriously ill shortly after receiving the vaccine and will blame it.


228235 ▶▶ James Marker, replying to ArchieMD, 11, #664 of 1470 🔗

According to some reports, the trade in a Covid-19 vaccine is potentially worth “billions if not trillions of pounds”. It looks to me that some members of SAGE are desperately trying to prevent herd immunity being established by natural means before a vaccine is ready. Whether they are motivated by financial or political considerations is up for debate.

228249 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to ArchieMD, 7, #665 of 1470 🔗

I don’t ever take off the shelf cold medicines so good luck sticking me with a syringe of covid busting formula. My health is my responsibility and there’s nothing that’s going to convince me I need pre-emptive help from drug companies and their jabs.

228252 ▶▶ annie, replying to ArchieMD, 7, #666 of 1470 🔗

Tens of millions declared insane because they win’t take a dodgy vaccine.
Declared insane for exercising a fundamental human right.

228298 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to annie, 2, #667 of 1470 🔗

Ah but don’the forget the useless NHS can’take be overwhelmed now can it!! Mental health services are severely low in number!

228263 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to ArchieMD, 11, #668 of 1470 🔗

According to their own documentation, the UK government is considering:

1) Allowing non-medical personnel to administer this vaccine (also making these individuals exempt from any liability for injury)
2) Drafting new primary legislation to make this vaccination compulsory for the entire population (including sectioning those who refuse under existing mental health legislation)

Both of the above fly in the face of well established international medical ethical codes around informed consent and bodily autonomy, and once this threshold is crossed it could establish a permanent medical-pharmaceutical authoritarian system.

Also, some of the new technologies that are being discussed (DNA alteration, biometric implants) threaten to fundamentally and irreversibly alter our physical nature, and are deeply disturbing.

I will not be taking any vaccine, and will willingly lose my life rather than submit to such a gross violation of my rights as a sovereign human being.

228312 ▶▶▶ James Bertram, replying to Richard O, 5, #669 of 1470 🔗

And 99.9% of us are protected from dying of Covid by an already existing, perfectly adequate ‘vaccine’ that has no side-effects – our own human immune system.
[0.1% of 65m population = 65,000 deaths].

228292 ▶▶ DRW, replying to ArchieMD, 2, #670 of 1470 🔗

We can only hope that either the majority don’t trust it, or bad side effects force it to be pulled.

228353 ▶▶ TT, replying to ArchieMD, 6, #671 of 1470 🔗

I find it particularly offensive to be labelled an ‘antivaxer’ when I’ve had plenty of vaccines, only against ailments that do indeed seem to have been eradicated thanks to them – vaccines for flu and related mutating diseases, however, have never been demonstrably effective, and the dodgy rushed conditions under which this one is being developed would make anyone hesitate. I think you should avoid at all costs to have this site slandered as being dogmatically anti-vaccine, as I’ve read so many posts by members here who had all sorts of vaccinations (even the flu shot), but who merely want to be properly informed before getting hit up with God-knows-what.

228375 ▶▶ jojo, replying to ArchieMD, #672 of 1470 🔗

Exactly. I was thinking mass vaccination for covid could very well set back the progress made in uptaking of proven existing vaccines by decades.

Let’s assume 80% of England and Wales population is vaccinated in the span of a month i.e. 60 * 0.80 = 48 million people.
On average, 44000 people have died of all causes in England and Wales each month in 2019 (ONS data).

May be the most vulnerable/elderly won’t be given the vaccine. So the majority of the 44000 that die might not have received the vaccine. If a quarter of those die had received the vaccine within a month of their death, that would be 11000 deaths. Deaths within 28 days of a positive covid test are counted as covid deaths by the government. Using the same yardstick, couldn’t those 11000 be counted as vaccine deaths?!

I Hope that the new covid vaccine will be 100% safe. Even then, by pure correlation there could be thousands that develop various illnesses and die within a month of vaccination. News of even a few such cases would seed mistrust in many people’s minds. This is the problem with applying any activity across an entire population.

Note: This is a scenario only, not a prediction or forecast 😉

228587 ▶▶▶ janis pennance, replying to jojo, 3, #673 of 1470 🔗

No vaccine is or ever will be 100% safe , by it’s very nature it is unavoidably unsafe . I wish to be able to choose which ones I have and my children have
My worry here is once you mandate one the rest will follow until we become forced to give vaccinations with a poor risk-benefit profile

229263 ▶▶ Csaba, replying to ArchieMD, #674 of 1470 🔗

I agree this a big one. I personally like the idea to be vaccinated when the vaccine is a properly tested and manufactured product. But, in our situation this is a race between companies for the “big deal” to be the first and got most of the profit out of this project.
I’m sorry but I don’t want to be their guinea pig. Maybe 5-6 years later when they properly tested the vaccine then I’m happy to take it but not before.

228223 Laura Suckling, #675 of 1470 🔗
228224 James Marker, replying to James Marker, 11, #676 of 1470 🔗

Interesting to read Toby’s analysis in today’s update. Given Johnson’s craving for popularity, I can well believe the government is running scared of the BBC and the rest of the MSM. But I also believe the public would not support the lockdown if the government hammered home the true horror of the cost.  There is an adult conversation to be had about balance of risk and Johnson would do well to summon up the courage to lead it. There will be opposition, of course. But Trump at least has shown it is possible to take on the MSM and big tech and still have hope of victory. There are popular ways of fighting back. Decriminalizing non-payment of the BBC licence fee would be a good start.

228305 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to James Marker, 7, #677 of 1470 🔗

I would find Toby’s analysis almost heartening if it really was just a case of a financial catastrophe. A financial catastrophe can be recovered from. What terrifies me is those who wish to create a socialist utopia on the back of this disaster. I simply don’t know whether the establishment has been captured by these people. Everything the government is doing is playing into their hands, even if the reasons are unrelated.

If everyone wishes to get back to the old normal then we can do it. But if the woke/WEF/UN/ Common Purpose elements are in control, we are doomed.

228329 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Barney McGrew, 5, #678 of 1470 🔗

The Opposition voting with the gov four, to me is conclusive proof of a real and genuine stitichup, a conspiracy to defraud and control us. The ultimate conspiracy in fact not in theory.

I agree that we are doomed and without hope – and that no hope is what activates me. I’m not hoping for anything to improve, there are no rose tinted spectacles for me, no complacency.

As they are destroying all I love and all I live for I am fighting back with every fibre of my being.

Once there can be no more uncertainty about their aims, there can be no reason to dilly and dally, no delay. No hoping for a bright new dawn. No. I’m going down with my conscience clear, and if there are some pearly gates I shall hear those words, “Well done good and faithful servant.”

And if there are no pearly gates, no heaven and no hell, at least those whom I admire will be proud of me.

228460 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Rosie, 1, #679 of 1470 🔗

Conclusive proof? That’s a strong statement. I can offer no proof, but merely the argument that they are pro-lockdown because it suits their interests and feel it is what their supporters want. Why would they vote against it? They think long hard lockdowns are the answer, and printing money, and MORE T&T. They want to out-lockdown the Tories, and out-NHS-worship the Tories. The Tories have stolen their policies.

228709 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Julian, #680 of 1470 🔗

The Tories have stolen their policies .”

The “Conservative” Party recipe throughout the post-Thatcher era for de jure (electoral) victory and de facto surrender.

Don’t tell Rick H, he’s still trying to pretend it’s 1981.

228516 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to James Marker, #681 of 1470 🔗

Is Toby writing this in order to change the narrative and deflect us away from the great reset agenda? If so it seems to have worked because no one seems to be mentioning it here today…

228228 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 38, #682 of 1470 🔗

Out and abut today and getting some “gossip” from long-term friends and family of Mrs Awkward:

  • most have turned from true believers to semi-sceptic but all agree the government is lying and something else is behind the 2nd lockdown, not a virus
  • all thought the releasing infected people into care homes and locking them in as deliberate genocide
  • the ones who run businesses are getting basically threatened by EHOs into thinking guidance and guidelines are law
  • local police were in the high street last week giving FPNs to those not wearing a mask nd not wearing an exemption. Put the locals right on this one so looking like a few will make a formal complaint.
  • council trying to get all shop keepers in there area to say “no mask no service” and there will be no exemptions excepted. Put them all towards laworfiction and here
  • one university student who had a heart problem that as stable and OK has been wearing masks to his lectures religiously due to his weakened immune system, he now has pneumonia that and it’s not responding to treatment, a nasty blood infection that might be related an this heart is on the edge of failure so he’s now been in the cardiac ward in hospital for 3 weeks where they are trying to get the pneumonia under control so they can do his heart operation
  • one oldie has not left the flat in 7 months but just tested positive for covid-19 on admittance to hospital for breathing problems and they are blaming the people dropping the food off for infecting him
  • the same guy spent a few days in the hospital and now they want to sent him to a care home following the same crap as in march/April. Looks like the homes have learnt there lesson and are refusing to take patients unless they have an independent negative test which the NHS won’t do so he’s in limbo

Got some shit stirring in, told businesses facts and not myths and hopefully girded a few loins in the area.

Its a good to see how may sceptics there are now.

Son says Poland start 3 week full lockdown Saturday based on the same dodgy data we have.

228238 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #683 of 1470 🔗

Always good to read one of your reports AG. Cheers!

228245 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #684 of 1470 🔗

Sorry to hear about the student. Didn’t know any universities were still doing in-person lectures but they are absolutely the worst institutions right now.

228248 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to DRW, 2, #685 of 1470 🔗

With the rise in woke activism and forcing ‘equality and diversity’ onto staff and student alike, they have been one of the worst for a long time.

228283 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to jb12, #686 of 1470 🔗

They have but it’s gone completely off the scale now.

228634 ▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to DRW, #687 of 1470 🔗

Oh, of course. I am just not surprised they have led the pack here based on previous form.

228259 ▶▶ John P, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #688 of 1470 🔗

most have turned from true believers to semi-sceptic but all agree the government is lying and something else is behind the 2nd lockdown, not a virus

Yes, it’s about MPs covering their arses.

228293 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to John P, 3, #689 of 1470 🔗

Some of the small businesses reckon it’s part of a power grab by the local councils so they act really get their jackboots on and destroy the high street once and for all.

228456 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Awkward Git, #690 of 1470 🔗

without doubt. But local councils aren’t what they were 30 years ago. Now they are enforcement agencies for central gov which in turn is an enforcement agency for the Big Boys.

228326 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #691 of 1470 🔗

Great report AG. Here we have concrete examples of the total devastation that is being caused by government policy. And this is just from one individual. Multiply this by millions to get a sense of the scale of the catastrophe that we have allowed to be inflicted upon ourselves (present company excepted of course).

228240 James Bertram, 2, #692 of 1470 🔗


Well worth a listen (even if you can’t abide her).

228242 Squire Western, 13, #693 of 1470 🔗

Someone should explain to the SAGE liars that ‘marginal difference’ is not a synonym for ‘no difference’, the latter being an accurate assessment of our 12 billion pound track and trace system. I have heard from various different sources of people being told their test was positive when no swab had actually been taken or the test cancelled. There was a time, not so long ago, when we were concerned that the 100 billion pounds the government is going to waste on HS2 was unaffordably expensive, but what the Hell, that now looks like small change. I should order a couple of dozen high speed rail links if I were you, Boris, renationalise the railways and make rail journeys free for everyone. At least we’d be getting something we could all use. Before the election we laughed at Corbyn with his magic money tree – no one realised that Boris thinks he has a magic money forest.

228243 Eddie, replying to Eddie, 5, #694 of 1470 🔗

Well well it seems one of the candidates has just conceded. Yes folks, Kanye West will not be President of the United States.

228246 ▶▶ Squire Western, replying to Eddie, 6, #695 of 1470 🔗

Sadly he was not the only candidate suffering cognitive difficulties. Biden mistook one of his granddaughters for his dead son yesterday and introduced her as such. With the voting going the way it is a present this man will soon be sitting in the Oval Office looking at the big red button on his desk and wondering whether if he presses it the nurse will come with a nice cup of cocoa.

228257 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Squire Western, 6, #696 of 1470 🔗

If he wins he’ll just be a figurehead wheeled out for speeches whilst his handlers do everything.

228244 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #697 of 1470 🔗

Off topic but spot the fake votes being added:


228247 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #698 of 1470 🔗

This is going to make 2000 look like nothing.

228342 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Awkward Git, #699 of 1470 🔗

In the USofT mail voting can only end with fraud…

228254 NickR, replying to NickR, 9, #700 of 1470 🔗

If you haven’t already watch Charles Walker’s speech today in the HofC debate. Does anyone have a link for it? His emotion was plain to see.
Labour Party benches virtually empty……. even given social distancing. Apart from putting out a begging bowl, with the exception of Graham Stringer they had nothing to say.
Sir Graham Brady very good. Steve Baker very generous to the ministers but Walker stole the show. I heard Sir Desmond Swayne spoke but can’t find it, anyone help?

228262 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to NickR, 8, #701 of 1470 🔗

Philip Davies also good – he said none of those voting for the restrictions were offering to have their salaries cut to 80%, and suggested Handsy forfeit his salary entirely. Theresa May very good speech too – she abstained – but is clearly using (or talking to) Carl Heneghan, who helped her review of Primodos.

228302 ▶▶▶ Jenny, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #702 of 1470 🔗

My MP has just lost my vote – he was warned. Interestingly, my son’s paediatrician’s son was among the Tory rebels and voted against.

228256 Maeve, replying to Maeve, 25, #703 of 1470 🔗


This piece confirms what many have suspected. And that “Boris is desperate not to go down as the Prime Minister who cancelled Christmas” really does take the biscuit, and shows how far he has drifted from reality. Because he will go down as the Prime Minister who chose to terrify the nation, who caused the unnecessary deaths of thousands of people, who forced businesses to close and caused mass unemployment, destroying the economy, and who ruined the future prospects of a generation, and who thought he could get away with it by presenting a series of dodgy graphs and withholding an impact assessment.

The Prime Minister is not fit for office.

228340 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Maeve, 5, #704 of 1470 🔗

They are not terrified… They – the jesters – are just obeying the Orders of the SRF & Billionaires! That’s their job, OBEY ORDERS.

And the jesters are good at that…

228411 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Voz 0db, #705 of 1470 🔗

Where’s your evidence for this?

228424 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Julian, 2, #706 of 1470 🔗

The evidence is many many millions of words and documents that date back decades. There’s so much evidence that we miss it, in the same way that we genuinely can miss seeing the elephant in the room.

One document I encountered was drawn up in 1996 by an engineering institute in America, and the author spent a full four years reading the documents and making sense of it all. His report ran to 37000 words. and that’s just one report. He concluded then that we were on the cusp of global governance.

My friend and I date it to 2000, as the last time we felt as if we had any say in the decisions made here or the direction the country was being taken in.

In 2008 my high-up husband was thrown out of his job in minutes for refusing to turn a blind eye to something. He won his case for constructive and unfair dismissal. It would have been the opportunity to open up a mass can of worms of corruption, and none of the newspapers reported it. They knew about it, but collectively ignored it.

UK Column News were onto something similar at the same time. Too bad we didn’t know about them.

You could try reading Watermelons by James Delingpole

228455 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Rosie, #707 of 1470 🔗

Struggle to see how evidence that the UK PM is taking orders from SRF (whoever that is) dates back decades, given he’s only been PM for months

228463 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Julian, 1, #708 of 1470 🔗

Because since Mrs T, none of them have been independent. I said before the Dec election that it made no difference voting for Labour or Conservative, the policies would be the same. That was on a hunch and from personal observation but since then I’ve done a lot of reading. labour voting with the gov proves there is no genuine distinction between them, it’s just a facade.

‘Dating back decades’ is the ever stronger and detailed global control of apparently independent nation states.

228363 ▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to Maeve, 2, #709 of 1470 🔗

It’s certainly ironic that an admirer of Churchill has needlessly imposed an unprecedented period of dystopian misery and economic destruction his own country.

His place in history is already secure, and it is not among the pantheon of the greats.

228261 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 19, #710 of 1470 🔗

How could 516 MP’s vote for lockdown after hearing the science fiction yesterday. Now its getting worrying.

228273 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Dan Clarke, 5, #711 of 1470 🔗

Their thinking is stuck in “we must do something about this deadly virus”.

228278 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Julian, 1, #712 of 1470 🔗
228286 ▶▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #713 of 1470 🔗

Excellent, explains it all

228307 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Dan Clarke, 6, #714 of 1470 🔗

They are fools who have made it to where they are by tricking people into thinking they know what they are talking about with their posh voices and crappy uni degrees. They actually have no substance, intellectually or morally.

228266 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 11, #715 of 1470 🔗

These new rules are just insane. https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1200/made
Totally incomprehensible. They won’t make any difference to me now. Everything is totally broken beyond recognition.
What the actual hell do these clowns think they are doing? Utter bastards.

228274 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Two-Six, 2, #716 of 1470 🔗

In case it’s any use to anyone, I’ve made a mobile-friendly version of the statutory instrument that you can download to your phone or print out.

228280 ▶▶ ambwozere, replying to Two-Six, #717 of 1470 🔗

They are completely unintelligible to be frank and the large majority of people won’t bother to try and make sense of this insane rules. Bet the police will say a lot of it they won’t be able to inforce either like they did last time.
It’s all very open to interpretation.

228421 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to ambwozere, #718 of 1470 🔗

All very open to interpretation – exactly and it’s deliberate, to further the dictatorial position of merely obeying, regardless of anything.

228271 Quernus, replying to Quernus, 25, #719 of 1470 🔗

Brilliant update to today’s bulletin, thank you. I have written to my MP (Debbie Abrahams, Labour) who voted for the second national lockdown.

Ms Abrahams

I see that you have voted for the government’s proposed second national lockdown. This is despite the fact the information provided by Messrs Whitty and Vallance to justify such a national lockdown has, according to Professor Carl Heneghan of the Centre for Evidence Based Medicine in Oxford, been proven to be false .

This is a very sad day for the UK and for Parliament. Your constituents could not rely on you to do the right thing by them and stand against this tyrannical government, despite growing evidence that they are deliberately misleading the public by their dubious misuse of statistics, and their refusal to take into account the growing body of opposing expert opinion. Please read the open letter from Dr Mike Yeadon to all MPs published on today’s Lockdown Sceptics’ website. Dr Yeadon sets out clearly the many reasons why the advice from SAGE, which the government seems to be slavishly relying upon, is wrong. He also explains clearly by the PCR testing regime, upon which so much hinges, is so unreliable. You have had access to all this information, and yet you have still chosen to fall in line with the government’s tuinous policy.

By your vote, you have betrayed your constituents, you have betrayed your Parliamentary duty, and you have betrayed your country. I have voted for you in the past. I shall never do so again .”

228282 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Quernus, 2, #720 of 1470 🔗

Well said.

228285 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Quernus, 4, #721 of 1470 🔗

A lot more polite than the email I shall send to Mr. Greg Smith, MP for Buckingham.
I suppose we must all join Reform/Recovery now.

228311 ▶▶ Jenny, replying to Quernus, 1, #722 of 1470 🔗


228281 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 20, #723 of 1470 🔗

Peter Hitchens on the vote:


For those who are (perhaps sensibly) Twitterless:

Almost all Labour MPs today voted to make huge numbers of their their own voters unemployed and homeless. Don’t forget at the next election.

228290 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 18, #724 of 1470 🔗

And for balance, Peter Hitchens again:


The great majority of Tory MPs today voted to destroy the businesses and wipe out the jobs of thousands of their constituents. Let us hope their constituents return the favour at the next election.

228412 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #725 of 1470 🔗

All, there wasn’t a single exception

228287 theanalyst, replying to theanalyst, 6, #726 of 1470 🔗

Masks Now Compulsory in Secondary Schools

…not yet in classrooms though.


I find this new edict a bit disappointing. Crafty of the government to sneak it out today hoping no-one will notice. Blaming the unions as well.

228296 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to theanalyst, 21, #727 of 1470 🔗


228303 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to theanalyst, 8, #728 of 1470 🔗

All because children don’t get it & do not transmit it to adults!!!
Therefore children are being punished and set up for neurological issues.
We will need Nuremberg level trials for this:

228339 ▶▶ Margaret, replying to theanalyst, 6, #729 of 1470 🔗

If my children were still in secondary school, I would exempt them from mask wearing under the guise of “to avoid harm or injury”.

Having watched the Spanish scientist’s experiment on masks, having read the German results from an experiment on a mask worn by a child, plus having an ex d-i-l who contracted bacterial pneumonia and having heard Jenny Harries telling Bozo that they should not be used outside of a sterile environment, I think I would have a good case.

228409 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Margaret, 2, #730 of 1470 🔗

Mystified as to why parents comply, but some enforce it on their children!

228508 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Margaret, #731 of 1470 🔗

Maybe try and get that Spanish mask film wider coverage? Send to Talk Radio and the 38 sceptic MPs?

Also to all schools – maybe UsForThem can help with that?

228391 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to theanalyst, #732 of 1470 🔗

Check the Unlocked/Recovery coverage with Emma Kenny. She takes apart masking kids brilliantly…


228664 ▶▶ ambwozere, replying to theanalyst, #733 of 1470 🔗

To be fair we’ve had face coverings in the corridors at work (FE college) since the start of term so September. All of our adult students so 19 plus and apprentices have to wear them in class if they’re sat at 1m+ distance too.

228288 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 5, #734 of 1470 🔗

Here’s something that’s worrying; I can only assume it’s a recording error, or is it?

On today’s Gov.uk deaths page, they are showing a death in Wales dated the 2nd of January this year.

Previously, the first death in the UK was dated the 2nd of March.

228297 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Ceriain, 6, #735 of 1470 🔗

Have they started exhuming bodies to test in desperation?

228318 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Charlie Blue, #736 of 1470 🔗

Bin doin that since the start.

228330 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #737 of 1470 🔗

No… They went for papaya and goat snot!

228304 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Ceriain, 3, #738 of 1470 🔗

The latest ONS data ( .xlsx ) shows the first covid-on-death-certificate death as occurring in the week ending 2020-01-31 (a male aged between 80-84).

228320 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Mabel Cow, #739 of 1470 🔗

Nuff said.

228677 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Mabel Cow, #740 of 1470 🔗

Yes. That’s why I’m assuming it has to be an error.

228468 ▶▶ annie, replying to Ceriain, 3, #741 of 1470 🔗

Aha,, but we Welsh die retrospectively.
Die Jones

228510 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Ceriain, #742 of 1470 🔗

Acquired abroad?

228289 Leemc23, 2, #743 of 1470 🔗

I know there are others here under Kemi Bedenoch and have written to her. Can you please let me know if you got this from here office – I wrote a long letter to her and 1922, Starmer and others. And while I know they would not be interested is it not her responsibility to consider my letter and not just f#uck me off with a junk reply telling me the rules ?

I was polite. Honest, considered and open. And insulted in retort. Disgusting.

228295 John P, replying to John P, 8, #744 of 1470 🔗

Very good speech from Philip Davies:


(Good man. Also a champion of men’s rights.)

228317 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to John P, 9, #745 of 1470 🔗

Notice that Footpenis was sneering away and shaking his head. Hope he’s first up at the Coronaberg trials.

228323 ▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #746 of 1470 🔗

It took me a few seconds to work out to whom you were referring, Nick. It gave me my first laugh of the day!

228331 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Margaret, 2, #747 of 1470 🔗

Always happy to help!


228407 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Nick Rose, #748 of 1470 🔗

Same here, almost. It gave me my second almost-laugh of the day.

228440 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Margaret, #749 of 1470 🔗

Me too – hahahaha

228406 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to John P, 1, #750 of 1470 🔗

He’s a champion of ‘northern’ rights too. It was an excellent speech.

229153 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to John P, #751 of 1470 🔗

It was a very good speech, John. He really told it like it was.

228310 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 9, #752 of 1470 🔗

Even the BBC is beginning to turn. I sense the last wheel on the bus has started to loosen…


Covid: The things we’re not being told as lockdown looms

Not quite LS, but getting there!

228313 ▶▶ Jenny, replying to Nick Rose, 9, #753 of 1470 🔗

Triggle has frequently been more balanced than the rest of the bbc mob

228315 ▶▶ D.S., replying to Nick Rose, 4, #754 of 1470 🔗

Sure hope this is a turn. “RECOVERY” interview with Brees gives some promise.

I see now our local Health Officer has an open letter posted to her. Video link below outlines lots we already know but still good to hear the common messages are getting out there (mainly Ontario in Canada, now BC):


Starts around 5minutes with some UK footage. Don’t think anyone listening though. Common facts and data but I think the media fear component is still too strong.

228390 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to D.S., #755 of 1470 🔗

Thanks for that :o))

228415 ▶▶▶▶ D.S., replying to Nick Rose, #756 of 1470 🔗

Open letter also here:


I am feeling guilty here where we live. No second lockdown yet, even our March one was light. But to see people all over the world who could easily be my brother or sister or kid anywhere going through what Victoria is or did, Wales, Scotland etc. Suicides and despair or no money for food, let alone starvation that will come. And then to see my ‘Managerial class’ colleagues here saying stay safe with their home office jobs, I feel I am doing nothing.

228549 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to D.S., #757 of 1470 🔗

Won’t need to worry about money for food, there won’t be any fucking food either.
Pasta all gone again I notice. Bastards.
(Sorry – Tourettes has resurfaced)

228324 ▶▶ langers, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #758 of 1470 🔗

Triggle has been reasonably balanced, certainly over the last couple of months. His articles are one of the few that are worth reading on the BBC website.

228334 ▶▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to langers, 3, #759 of 1470 🔗

I have the definite feeling that Triggle would be one of us (perhaps he is!!) if he were allowed to be.

228356 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #760 of 1470 🔗

Doubt it. Triggle has been putting semi-sceptical stuff out there throughout, but it never breaks through to the “mainstream” BBC, if that’s even a thing.

228385 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to A. Contrarian, #761 of 1470 🔗

Sadly, I expect you’re right…

228365 ▶▶ dickyboy, replying to Nick Rose, 5, #762 of 1470 🔗

Thanks for posting this, I wouldn’t have found it otherwise as wild horses won’t drag me to that site ordinarily.

It is good see indeed, and the highest rated comments are encouraging too.

The graph of GDP is jaw dropping. Remember how dire 2008 felt? We truly are fucked.

228465 ▶▶ annie, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #763 of 1470 🔗

The comments are robustly sceptical, and many are now challenging the Beeb’s corpse-count approach. That’s a change from the former universal bedwetting.

228314 NickR, replying to NickR, 4, #764 of 1470 🔗

From today’s hospitalisation figure. Admissions on the 1st Nov were the same as on the 26th & lower than on the 29th. Looks a lot like it’s entered the endemic stage, that said there are obviously lots of susceptible people still about, just over 50% of care homes had an outbreak so they remain susceptible, but the cure is so much worse than the cause.

228319 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to NickR, 13, #765 of 1470 🔗

For goodness sake. Whitty and Vallence need to go immediately. This is just insane how wrong they are in their predictions. Why on earth is anybody listening to them. It’s just beyond any semblance of anything that might pass as sensible.

228327 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Two-Six, 2, #766 of 1470 🔗

Only steel can fix that need!

228362 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Two-Six, 11, #767 of 1470 🔗

Clearly Whitty and Vallance are criminals, as is the fat boy in the middle. This is a scam of monstrous proportions, that has already cost many thousands of lives and many more deaths are still to come. Johnson and his crony scientific advisors belong in jail, awaiting trial for treason, as do many other members of the government and its administration. There are those in academia and the media who are also deeply involved and they must also face very serious charges.

228507 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to NickR, #768 of 1470 🔗

Thanks Nick. Very important graph. Another way to think about it is that the virus is running out of easy prey.

228321 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 20, #769 of 1470 🔗

I think the point of this lockdown is to make us “grateful” for whatever repressive measures we’re still living under once it’s lifted. Won’t work on anyone here, of course, but they’ve probably calculated that it’ll keep murmurs low enough for long enough until they can do whatever it is they really want. Classic abusive partner behaviour.

228357 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to mattghg, #770 of 1470 🔗

I suspect that those behaving this way are the very ones expected to fall on their swords. Birds. Stone. Two. Kill. With. One.

228322 Bugle, replying to Bugle, 7, #771 of 1470 🔗

“The Government is Terrified.” Great reporting from you, Toby. One of the most persuasive things you have written.

228401 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Bugle, 3, #772 of 1470 🔗

Not as terrified as I am of them and what they will do next.
No, I don’t accept that they are terrified.

228503 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Bugle, 1, #773 of 1470 🔗

Am I alone in wondering why, if Toby and James are such good mates with the ‘Quad’, why the Quad seem to not be looking at this site and its data, but instead being led by SAGE?
And why are Toby and James not able to get through to the Quad and influence policy?

228325 Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, 2, #774 of 1470 🔗


This is just some piece of RNA that wasn’t on the useless databases of moron uman animals, and so the moron “think” it is a NEW THING!

Collective suicide of all those that “think” this is a new deadly virus would be a very POSITIVE thing for the future of the specie…

228344 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Voz 0db, 3, #775 of 1470 🔗

Some of those that think it is a new deadly virus are close friends and family of many of us on this forum I would guess

228350 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Voz 0db, #776 of 1470 🔗

In a way, they are committing collective suicide. If they persist, most of them will starve as the rest of us return to normal.

228335 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 1, #777 of 1470 🔗

I wonder if we are all going to get one of those text messages from central HQ telling us all to stay in save lives and protect the NHS again.

228388 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Two-Six, 2, #778 of 1470 🔗

Even though it will be a waste of time, I shall reply ‘go fuck yourself’.

228397 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, #779 of 1470 🔗

That’s what I said, they say the replies aren’t monitored. I bet they are.

228485 ▶▶ Simon, replying to Two-Six, 1, #780 of 1470 🔗

Report them to the information comissioner. How did they obtain your data, that is a breach of data protection and GDPR. Sue them.

228341 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 15, #781 of 1470 🔗

List of the MPs who voted against Lockdown 2.0 (hat tip to Guido Fawkes website):

  1. Steve Baker (Teller)
  2. Philip Hollobone (Teller)
  3. Adam Afriyie
  4. Peter Bone
  5. Graham Brady
  6. Steve Brine
  7. Christopher Chope
  8. Philip Davies
  9. Jonathan Djanogly
  10. Jackie Doyle-Price
  11. Richard Drax
  12. Iain Duncan Smith
  13. Marcus Fysh
  14. Chris Green
  15. James Grundy
  16. Mark Harper
  17. Gordon Henderson
  18. David Jones
  19. Tim Loughton
  20. Craig Mackinlay
  21. Stephen McPartland
  22. Esther McVey
  23. Huw Merriman
  24. Anne Marie Morris
  25. Mike Penning
  26. John Redwood
  27. Andrew Rosindell
  28. Henry Smith
  29. Desmond Swayne
  30. Robert Syms
  31. Derek Thomas
  32. Charles Walker
  33. Craig Whittaker
  34. William Wragg
  35. Paul Girvan
  36. Carla Lockhart
  37. Ian Paisley Jr
  38. Sammy Wilson
  39. Julian Lewis
228343 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #782 of 1470 🔗

Not my nappy-faced bubble head MP

228347 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Two-Six, #783 of 1470 🔗

Nor my fat one!

228370 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #784 of 1470 🔗

Nor mine. Just had a long e-mail from her, despite my request for her not to respond. The usual effing platitudes. Useless.

228379 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to kh1485, #785 of 1470 🔗

I am itching to post my picture of your MP….the handbag/facenappy one

228433 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Two-Six, #786 of 1470 🔗

No – she has felt my wrath just now.
Want me to send it to you?

228524 ▶▶▶ janis pennance, replying to Two-Six, #787 of 1470 🔗

Nor my NHS worshipping one

228354 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #788 of 1470 🔗

6% of MPs. Higher than the percentage of sceptics in the general population?

228364 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Richard O, 2, #789 of 1470 🔗

A parliament unfit to sit, unworthy of its authority.

228383 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Ovis, 3, #790 of 1470 🔗

Geoffrey Cox of the “This Parliament is a disgrace” speech. It was a magnificent speech but I was suspicious of his sincerity. Something was ‘off’ – and everything he said of Parliament then is true to many powers of ten now. So he should have voted this down.

So presumably that speech was a mere sop to Brexiteers and those of us who thought we live in a democracy, to ease TMay out and bring Boris in, giving the false appearance that the public has the smallest say in what they actually do.

228417 ▶▶ James007, replying to Nick Rose, #791 of 1470 🔗

My letters did no good then. Not even a reply.

228495 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Nick Rose, #792 of 1470 🔗

Brilliant! How many Conservatives? At least 25? Another 15 or so and BJ loses credibility.

228514 ▶▶▶ richmond, replying to OKUK, #793 of 1470 🔗

Thirty-eight Conservatives.

228705 ▶▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to richmond, #794 of 1470 🔗

But where was Theresa May?

229023 ▶▶▶▶▶ alison, replying to Tenchy, #795 of 1470 🔗

As well as those who voted against, there were a further 20 or sonwho abstained. Theresa May was one of those.

228567 ▶▶ EllGee, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #796 of 1470 🔗

Mine’s not there but he did say he was going to vote for it, and gave his reasons, on Facebook. The replies absolutely tore into him and showed he might know nothing but his constituents were very up to the game going on. Think he’s lost his seat today

228348 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 3, #797 of 1470 🔗

The Swiss Doctor is on Richie Allen right now. Very good stuff indeed.

228393 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Two-Six, 1, #798 of 1470 🔗

Essential listening

228351 Melangell, replying to Melangell, 2, #799 of 1470 🔗

Just read the Telegraph headlines saying Johnson has rubberstamped the coming lockdown and that today marks the highest death count since May. Makes it all sound very credible, and that he’s doing the right thing. Is dis troo? Can any of the brilliant resident LS number crunchers comment?

228367 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Melangell, 10, #800 of 1470 🔗

They always have a backlog they can pull out whenever there’s a vote.

228402 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to DRW, 2, #801 of 1470 🔗

Today’s count includes one or more deaths on 30 March according to my local rag.

228453 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #802 of 1470 🔗

March? They must be absolutely mining the respiratory death records at this point.

228538 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to DRW, 2, #803 of 1470 🔗

Sort of like fracking – we could call it ‘fracking about’ with the numbers.

228548 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Melangell, 1, #804 of 1470 🔗

Need to wait a few days and look at trend by date of death. One day’s figures mean nothing, despite what the papers think.

228632 ▶▶ HoMojo, replying to Melangell, 1, #805 of 1470 🔗

Bulshit. Look at Ivor Cummins on YouTube and. more pertinently, read Yesdon’s open letter in update (again if you have already)

228355 Adam, 6, #806 of 1470 🔗

This government spoiling for a fight with an irate British people may get their wish Johnson Starmer out now https://www.saveourrights.uk

228358 court, replying to court, 20, #807 of 1470 🔗

Just learned secondary school kids have to wear face coverings from Monday. I think that’s me done. I’ve got to have a few days off the internet before I snap and do something drastic.

Fingers crossed something good happens over the next few days.

228366 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to court, 1, #808 of 1470 🔗

Please would you let me know where this information is published – is it just some schools or a government mandate?

228488 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Ozzie, 1, #809 of 1470 🔗

I saw it on Simon Dolan’s Twitter where there is a link..

228368 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to court, 4, #810 of 1470 🔗

Go for some walks and come back soon, please.

228372 ▶▶ DRW, replying to court, 1, #811 of 1470 🔗

That’s one way to get the schools closed again.

228431 ▶▶ bucky99, replying to court, 2, #812 of 1470 🔗

Looks like guidance only, nothing in the new legislation

228535 ▶▶ Jane in France, replying to court, 4, #813 of 1470 🔗

In France kids have to wear masks all day in class from the age of six. Most head teachers are saying it’s the law and that’s that. Following orders. Home schooling? The government is trying to make that illegal. It’s either school with a mask or the social services on your case. But there are parents’ associations who have a lawyer on their side. Also a secondary teacher who refused to wear a mask when the schools went back in September has been suspended for “abandoning her post.” She too has set up an association and is fighting back.

228550 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to court, 2, #814 of 1470 🔗

Important for kids to push the exemption card

228596 ▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Victoria, 3, #815 of 1470 🔗

Brits are so lucky in that regard and must make much more use of that indeed.
On the continent, it’s hell.
You need a medical certificate.
Doctor’s are threatened by the BMA equivalents and often prosecuted if they issued one.
The police is confiscating the certificates to enable just that.
Most businesses now and all airlines don’t recognize them at all.
Most often this is illegal, but the police and courts simply don’t care.
Schools don’t recognize them anyway.
The courts have ruled in favour of these schools and against patients secrecy rights.

Now let anyone argue again that this mask is about peoples health…

228603 ▶▶ HoMojo, replying to court, 2, #816 of 1470 🔗

Doing something drastic is what we need from hundreds of thousands of people

228359 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., #817 of 1470 🔗

Did any opposition mp’s vote against or abstain against lockdown?

228361 ▶▶ smileymiley, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #818 of 1470 🔗

Not one!

228387 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to smileymiley, 9, #819 of 1470 🔗

We’re going to need a very big wall to put them up against.

228692 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #820 of 1470 🔗

We need to reopen Tower Hill as an execution site but aye, will need other branches too.

228403 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #821 of 1470 🔗

I think some abstained, none against

228422 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Julian, 1, #822 of 1470 🔗

Do you know who they are?

228626 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Fingerache Philip., #824 of 1470 🔗

The only one I know in Labour that voted against it was Sinclair.

228374 PoshPanic, 3, #825 of 1470 🔗

Please support the Unlocked/Recovery on FB. Great speakers on a live stream..


228378 Chris Hume, replying to Chris Hume, 20, #826 of 1470 🔗

Brilliant from Mike Yeadon. If he’s right, and I think he is far closer to the truth than the idiocy we are subjected to by SAGE, Ferguson et al, then they are in even deeper shit than they realise. By sending this openly to each and every MP they won’t be able to hide behind the bullshit ‘we were following the science’. Here is some ‘science’ that clearly states that the stuff they are spouting is all bollocks and why.

228420 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to Chris Hume, 1, #827 of 1470 🔗

It doesn’t matter anymore.

228644 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Eddy, 1, #828 of 1470 🔗

The truth always matters.

228886 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to ConstantBees, 1, #829 of 1470 🔗

Yes, CB, 100%.

If there is a day of reckoning we will need that truth to bring these bastards to justice.

228881 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Eddy, #830 of 1470 🔗

Oh, yes it does!

228520 ▶▶ HoMojo, replying to Chris Hume, 3, #831 of 1470 🔗

The open letter from Yeadon was too articulate for most MPs to understand

228380 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 31, #832 of 1470 🔗

516 common purpose, virtue signalling, unconscious bias, woke cunts have pulled down our pants and bent us over.

Spineless wankers who are either thick or embedded in the deep state.

Thank god for Mike Yeadon, all the other true experts and you people.

I’m off to conduct my own kronenbourg trials with a curry for din dins.

P.s. as mentioned below the Swiss doctor on the Richie Allen show has just completely ripped apart the chronicly fraudulent PCR test, essential listening.

228589 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to stefarm, #833 of 1470 🔗

Is there a link…?

228912 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Pebbles, #834 of 1470 🔗

To having our pants pulled down??

228919 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Pebbles, #835 of 1470 🔗

The Richie Allen show will be posted on YouTube tomorrow (until it is cancelled) or it can be downloaded from all good podcast apps.

228384 Hubes, replying to Hubes, 17, #836 of 1470 🔗

Just sent this to my MP. I doubt he’ll read it or care but had to let him know he’s lost some voters.

I am horrified that you have voted in favour of the deadly and unnecessary 2nd lockdown, which will no doubt lead to more mass unemployment, severe health issues (Non covid) and suicides just as the first one did.

A lockdown based on incorrect data and false assumptions.

Not that it would have been overwhelmed but if the NHS isn’t prepared now for a busy period, then what exactly have they, the health minister and PHE been doing for 7 months? Appalling levels of incompetence on all levels if you were to believe that is the reason.

I voted for you at the last election. I will never vote for you again. I don’t just speak for myself but for many family and friends who live in xxxxx. None of us will vote for you again.

228425 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Hubes, 9, #837 of 1470 🔗

I will be adding the following to my email to my MP tonight:

“Furthermore I trust that you now intend to forfeit your parliamentary salary in a show of solidarity with all the people that will lose their jobs and have to survive on JSA as a direct result of your actions.”

228686 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 2, #838 of 1470 🔗

Have been saying on Twitter that after this, MPs salaries should be slashed down to minimum wage whilst at the same time they’re banned from claiming expenses.

And no pension when they leave.

Bet they will all scramble to leave Parliament with “abysmal” pay like that.

228563 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Hubes, 5, #839 of 1470 🔗

We all need to get stickers/pamphlets out.

Your MP voted for lockdown

business and jobs bloodbath


Your MP voted for lockdown

Is your job safe?


Your MP voted for lockdown

Will your business survive?


Lockdown again

Labour are collaborators

228389 Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 6, #840 of 1470 🔗

On today’s ‘enormous’ deaths. My local rag is saying deaths range from 30 March to 3 November, with all but 12 (aged 56 to 99) with underlying health conditions. Obvious why we have locked down!

228540 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #841 of 1470 🔗

Deaths by date of death looks much less spectacular. I’m sure they saved some up for the Night Before Lockdown today.

228878 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to A. Contrarian, #842 of 1470 🔗

This was discussed at length yesterday and we all called it; announce close to 400 the day before the vote. I would say it works, but we knew they were all going to vote it through anyway.

228399 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 14, #843 of 1470 🔗

Dear MP’s who voted for the second national lockdown, give me ONE reason for voting for you in the next General Election.
I am making the assumption that we will still have a democracy at that point.

228405 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to PatrickF, 12, #844 of 1470 🔗

Dear MP

You will not be an MP for much longer because the parliamentary system is about to be dismantled for good. After this, you will be joining your constituents in the condemned slave class.

If you are over 50 years of age, you have no more than one year left to live.

Yours sincerely

Fellow Slave

228426 ▶▶ CGL, replying to PatrickF, 1, #845 of 1470 🔗

That’s a BIG assumption

228429 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to CGL, 2, #846 of 1470 🔗

The Govt seem to do fine with BIG assumptions.

228430 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Sarigan, 2, #847 of 1470 🔗

I wish BIG Sumption would do his stuff!
He needs to go ballistic now.

228481 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to CGL, #848 of 1470 🔗

We need Michael O’Bernicia’s cases to win.
Will Simon get the result of his appeal tomorrow?

228643 ▶▶ James Bertram, replying to PatrickF, #849 of 1470 🔗

Dear MP,
When Johnson decides to keep us ‘Covid-safe’ by sending all us non-believers to the gas chambers, true to form, after today’s performance, I would now expect you to vote for that. ‘Only following orders, Guv.’
I’m so pleased you are my MP.

228404 Mark, replying to Mark, 11, #850 of 1470 🔗


At the end of the latest London Calling podcast, Toby suggests they go through their dream and nightmare scenarios for the coming week. The dream scenario starts with a massive Commons rebellion overturning the lockdown nonsense and Trump winning a landslide victory, and ends with:

You get a seven figure book deal to write “My generation – the worst in history”. Lockdown Sceptics is bought by Google for a billion …. (and immediately closed down) .”

The worst case scenario begins as follows;

There is a Tory rebellion, but it’s pathetic. It’s like no more than 20 MPs vote against, Boris doesn’t even have to rely on Labour votes in order to get this ludicrous second lockdown through. We’re all living in darkness, imprisoned in our homes from Thursday onwards. Biden wins a landslide .”

Sadly, it’s looking a lot more like the worst case than the dream scenario, at the moment.

So we will get endless lockdown, and President Biden (briefly, until the fanatic Harris takes over openly). And while Trump was constrained by leftist control of the judiciary, most institutions and the media and big tech, the left in office face no real constraints but armed rebellion.

Things will get “interesting” in the US, because the left, in power now without meaningful institutional constraints, will not tolerate dissent and obstruction the way Trump was forced to. Expect moves to (in effect, if probably not overtly) overturn the First and Second Amendments, probably via judicial activism and “reinterpreting” the Constitution, with “hate speech” censorship and gun control laws. If the holdouts in their Supreme Court get in the way, they will try to remove or suppress them, by hook or by crook.

228413 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to Mark, 8, #851 of 1470 🔗

Thanks where’s the fucking rope.

228419 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Mark, 7, #852 of 1470 🔗

If Biden wins he’s getting impeached for the laptop stuff. And Kamala is involved in that as well. It would fall to the Speaker I believe – so president Nancy. And if she can’t do it and Hillary is Secretary of State (as it is suspected) does she become President.

Her turn and all?

228442 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to mhcp, 3, #853 of 1470 🔗

Good luck getting any impeachment through the Democrat controlled House of Representatives.

228671 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to mhcp, #854 of 1470 🔗

The Designated Survivor

228449 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Mark, 2, #855 of 1470 🔗

Yep, worst week since March. Still, they haven’t won Senate control yet, and red states can still resist.

228466 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to DRW, 1, #856 of 1470 🔗

That,.along with popular resistance in blue states, is where it will get interesting.

But the precedents for states resisting central control in the US are not particularly encouraging.

228842 ▶▶ Censored Dog, replying to Mark, #857 of 1470 🔗

It does look like a Biden win, but not a landslide. And the Republicans are going to keep the Senate.

228874 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Censored Dog, #858 of 1470 🔗

True. Though what really matters is win/lose, not landslide/close. The world will get Biden and then shortly, Harris, as US ruler.

228504 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Tenchy, 4, #860 of 1470 🔗

Explains Northern Italy but not our care home system and shite NHS

228611 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Tenchy, 3, #861 of 1470 🔗

Yep Psychopath Cummings is back stage with his Fascist, Eugenicist Totalitarian Dictatorship dreams coming to fruition.

The only hope we have now is that the Tory MPs themselves instigate a vote of no confidence in Gove, Johnson and Wancock.

228423 Ovis, replying to Ovis, 19, #862 of 1470 🔗

Feeling the despair squid strike tonight.

In the UK, we are transitioning from a limited democracy into a definitively post-democratic society. This kind of thing has happened before of course, but at least Augustus had some tact. The present regime just tells us to gag ourselves.

The liberation many of us had looked to the USA to bring has been replaced by the face of Creepy Joe. Contra Toby, blatant censorship has triumphed, when coupled with the cynical destruction of the economy by Democratic governors using the excuse of Covid.

Yeah, we’re a bit fucked, aren’t we?

228432 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Ovis, 13, #863 of 1470 🔗

I sensed back in March that we were going all the way into an authoritarian system as punishment for decades of apathy and ignorance, and that this system would cause an enormous amount of suffering.

It will end, just as all such systems have in the past. Could be short (Khmer Rouge), medium (Nazis) or long (Soviets) term, too early to call at this stage.

228437 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Ovis, 5, #864 of 1470 🔗

Just a bit, can’t see how we’ll ever get out of this without a big game-changer.

228489 ▶▶ annie, replying to Ovis, 26, #865 of 1470 🔗

The very best way to ensure disaster us to pronounce it to be inevitable and then sit on your arse repeating I-told-you-so.
Get off your …. rear end … and BLOODY DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
You could start by helping Rosie to hand out leaflets. She’s worth ten of you doom squawkers.

228502 ▶▶▶ richmond, replying to annie, 3, #866 of 1470 🔗

Exactly so. We can all do something.

228580 ▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to annie, 1, #867 of 1470 🔗

Well said Annie .Now is the time not to panic .We have more support than we have ever had since this started . Just listening to Jon Dobinson from the descovery group on Anna Brees ,its very inspiring . So everyone please try to stay positive and steady under fire .

228584 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to annie, 4, #868 of 1470 🔗

Well, I wrote to my MP, I go maskless at some risk given my job, I make the arguments when I can. Don’t get me wrong, I am not giving up. But this does not feel like victory. It feels like attrition.

We are, I think most of us who post here, where we are not out of choice but because we simply cannot be otherwise, seeing what we see and being who we are. It is very odd. We are not playing any long game. There is no strategy. We are just where our consciences put us. And while we act as far as we can, we do speculate almost passively on the outcome.

228428 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 11, #869 of 1470 🔗

Do my fellow sceptics think as I do that Bojo knows now that he’s got nothing left to lose? so he doesn’t care what happens now whatsoever.

228446 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #870 of 1470 🔗

Yes, I think he is getting more reckless and sloppy.

228473 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #871 of 1470 🔗

Yes – that’s why he left the chamber during the debate..

228531 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Fingerache Philip., 9, #872 of 1470 🔗

I think he’s teetering on the brink. He doesn’t have a clue what is going on any more. We’ve seen it all summer with his wild flip-flopping, go to work don’t go to work, eat out to help out, drink up and get out, don’t go to work again, a new lockdown would be a disaster, it’ll all be over by Christmas, actually let’s lock down again even though cases are plateauing and starting to fall.

He’s just blowing in the wind. He doesn’t have an opinion of his own, he just does what he is told by the Goons of Doom. He must know his time in power is nearly over.

228581 ▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to A. Contrarian, 11, #873 of 1470 🔗

The really astonishing and worrying thing to me here is that he and Cummings have also clearly lost their political marbles and senses.
Politically, they had nothing to gain from this lockdown.
To the zealots, they now look late, incompetent and weak again compared to Labour.
To the rest, they have hereby become unelectable, and Farage, Fox&Recovery could well kill them.

228854 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Jay Berger, 1, #874 of 1470 🔗

My MP was teetering on the edge after the 2017 election; her majority had been slashed 10 fold (went from 6000-odd to 680-ish. She would have been out in 2019 had it not been for Corbyn and the antisemitism row (large Jewish community in the constituency).

I’ve reminded her that Corbyn is gone; the antisemitism row is ‘mostly’ gone, and that the people who voted for her because of that will now return to their normal vote.

I also informed her that her continuing to support this farce will finish her; I sincerely hope it does.

228948 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Jay Berger, 1, #875 of 1470 🔗

Yep. He should have chosen a side and stuck to it. Now he just looks weak and is loathed by both sides.

228829 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #876 of 1470 🔗

Gove said, when he stabbed him in the back (front?) in 2016 to let May in, that he felt he wasn’t up to the job. He might have been right.

228434 Liz F, replying to Liz F, 22, #877 of 1470 🔗

Anyone want to help me pin Matt Handcock to a Catherine wheel to get the Guy Fawkes celebrations underway? How about a couple of sparklers down his pants? Sorry, I’m just fuming.

228435 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Liz F, 6, #878 of 1470 🔗

S××t doesn’t burn.

228804 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Liz F, 2, #879 of 1470 🔗

Sorry, I’m just fuming.

Don’t you dare be sorry, Liz; you fume as much as you like, and we’ll fume with you. 🙂

228436 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 27, #880 of 1470 🔗

Extraordinary news. Boris, Keir and Ed have announced that as democracy in the UK is now dead, there is now, only one political party: The Lockdown Party.
The SNP will be responding to this announcement shortly.
The Welsh haven’t heard since they no longer have the internet.

228443 ▶▶ Gill, replying to PatrickF, 3, #881 of 1470 🔗

Thanks for making me laugh, I needed that!

228451 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Gill, 1, #882 of 1470 🔗

Laugh? Is that a joke?

228444 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to PatrickF, 3, #883 of 1470 🔗

I’d call it the Global Technocracy Party.

228459 ▶▶ Mark, replying to PatrickF, 9, #884 of 1470 🔗

The SNP statement has now been released. Having heard that England is going to formally admit to being a One Party State, Sturgeon, determined to outdo the sassenachs, announces that Scotland will be formally constituted as a Half Baked State.

228471 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Mark, 3, #885 of 1470 🔗

Wee Krank proclaims herself Empress

228688 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to PatrickF, 2, #886 of 1470 🔗

Somebody tweet that, it’s brilliant

228439 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 21, #887 of 1470 🔗

I’m at a loss at how we can ever get out of cycle lockdowns forever. The data now doesn’t support one and that will not change so what can? All the time they run PCR tests they will find positives (false and real), the hospitals will be close to being overwhelmed every winter as they always are, and people will continue to die of seasonal respiratory illnesses. None of these will change even if a vaccine comes along however effective it is.

So other than a cycle of lockdowns forever (I don’t want to consider that) they will effectively have to rebrand the data presumably when some half-arsed vaccine gets deployed. They will essentially start contextualising the data the way we already do. I suspect they may also have to reduce the sensitivity of the PCR test or even reduce testing wholesale. They will probably have to discourage Covid as a diagnosis and change the way the data is collected so that year on year comparisons are not possible. They may even have to discredit SAGE and Imperial. The Ministry of Truth will be working overtime.

228441 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Achilles, 5, #888 of 1470 🔗

The Ministry of True Lies

228445 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Achilles, 7, #889 of 1470 🔗

I think that sums it up, yes. The pandemic never really took off, and it is certainly over now, in the parallel universe where objective reality still exists.

228448 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Achilles, 10, #890 of 1470 🔗

Lockdowns forever, until the global technocracy is overthrown.

If enough take the vaccine, the end of the human race as we know it.

228467 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Achilles, 5, #891 of 1470 🔗

I think on a large scale LD II, as with pretty much everything this year, is to increase the desperation for the precious snake oil when it comes out. They might even try LD III in the new year after the short Christmas breather. Once that’s deployed, the “vaxxed” will be exempted from testing as both another incentive for uptake and means to wind the testdemic down.

228474 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to DRW, 1, #892 of 1470 🔗

If I were them I would turn the screw and keep this lockdown going indefinitely (adding ever tighter restrictions with each passing “deadline”) with the only means of getting out of it being accepting the first of many vaccines.

228583 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Richard O, 2, #893 of 1470 🔗

I think they’re planning something similar with the ID, which will undoubtedly be mandated for more and more places, making sure only the “vaxxed” can escape lockdown.

228574 ▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to DRW, 2, #894 of 1470 🔗

The best thing anyone can and should do is to go into hiding for about a year after the vaccine comes out.
The tests will be standardized by then and either the vaccinated corpses will start to pile up, ending the whole shitshow violently, or being tested instead of vaccinated can be justified, or being vaccinated can be risked.

228683 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to DRW, 2, #895 of 1470 🔗

Somebody said to me today he wished they had the vaccine and he’d take it just to be free of this.

228799 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to thinkaboutit, 1, #896 of 1470 🔗

Thus proving the propaganda works. 🙁

228521 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Achilles, 12, #897 of 1470 🔗

If they want it to be over, they just have to tell people it’s over. A 5-minute segment on the BBC telling us that covid is gone and we are safe to resume normal life is all that would be required for the majority of the unquestioning masses. Rude I know, but I’m mightily pissed off tonight.

228577 ▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to A. Contrarian, #898 of 1470 🔗

They’ll still need a new symbol/Gessler hat instead of the mask though.

228564 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Achilles, 3, #899 of 1470 🔗

The PCR test will be standardized to a low 25 cycles the minute the vaccine comes out.
If they are benevolent dictators, they’ll also give everyone a placebo, as the ‘rona will be eradicated by that standardization alone anyway.

228680 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Achilles, 1, #900 of 1470 🔗

Yes. As they fiddled the figures to big up the numbers they can easily reverse ferret and cherry pick data to get lower cases and deaths.
My star picks would be lowering PCR cycles and discouraging Covid as a cause of death unless its the only thing on the death certificate.

228450 Neil Hartley, replying to Neil Hartley, 25, #901 of 1470 🔗

Serious point. I find the image of Johnson, Hancock, Whitty and Vallance totally repugnant. The sound of their voices lying to us makes me throw up in my mouth. They are effectively terrorising the country. Could we not replace their images with avatars and their voices with actor’s voices a la the IRA in the 70s and 80s?

228472 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Neil Hartley, 12, #902 of 1470 🔗

Is it just my vivid imagination? but when I see pictures of Hancock this image always seems to come to mind.

228477 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Steve Martindale, 7, #903 of 1470 🔗

Goering was far more charismatic than Hancock.

228479 ▶▶▶▶ DressageRider, replying to Richard O, 6, #904 of 1470 🔗

better looking too!

228498 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to DressageRider, 2, #905 of 1470 🔗

I just thought that but you were brave to type it!! I thought I might have to leave!

228511 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ DressageRider, replying to CGL, 2, #906 of 1470 🔗


228559 ▶▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Richard O, 2, #907 of 1470 🔗

I remember the pretty offensive AA Gill article in the Times that made the German ambassador complain.

It’s opening line was: forget the Germans of today, the Nazis were a far more impressive lot…
Which is even more true when comparing today’s British elite with them.

228480 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #908 of 1470 🔗

At least the one in the picture had one ball. Other than that, your comparison is fair.

228556 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Ovis, #909 of 1470 🔗

Oh no! I’ve remembered the song. He has only as many balls as Hancock.

228636 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Ovis, 1, #910 of 1470 🔗

No hang on, it’s Goebbels with no balls at all. Goering is still ahead.

228519 ▶▶ John K, replying to Neil Hartley, 3, #911 of 1470 🔗

Three of these cretinous arsewipes had the Wuhan Flu, allegedly. Hopefully bubonic plague will get them soon.

228793 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to John K, 1, #912 of 1470 🔗

I often wonder about that, John, and if it was actually true.

Bojo, Handjob, Whitty, Cummings, Harries (don’t see much of her thesedays; wonder if she’s refusing to toe the line), Dorries, all allegedly had it.

228951 ▶▶▶▶ John K, replying to Ceriain, 1, #913 of 1470 🔗

If they did, I hope they had 2 weeks of fever, pain and horrible diarrhea. Prince William also had it back in April apprently, but he didnt want to worry us and has fessed up only recently. Thanks Will but I couldn’t give a monkey’s toss about you or your family, but suspect you old man has brown tongue fever from licking Schwab’s fat arse.

228452 Dale, replying to Dale, 10, #914 of 1470 🔗

“Covid-19 clearly caused many deaths.” Is this the new “Every death is tragic” ?

228482 ▶▶ annie, replying to Dale, 20, #915 of 1470 🔗

People no longer just die.
They sadlidie.
Or as regards Covvies, they tragiclidie.

228494 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to annie, 12, #916 of 1470 🔗

Death has become a technical error that science & technology can fix.

Yeah. Right

228454 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 57, #917 of 1470 🔗

Terrified! Really?

I’ll tell you what they are terrified of; they are terrified that they will be found out !

They are terrified that the people will discover just how much money they have stolen from the people by giving multi-million pound contracts to their friends!

They are terrified that the people will discover just how much of that money has been squandered on schemes that don’t/didn’t work!

They are terrified that the people will discover the number of lies they have told to them, simply to scare them into submission, and using moral blackmail to do it!

They lie about the virus being ‘out of control’ when most independent evidence suggests it’s nothing of the sort.

They lie about an overwhelmed NHS, yet the NHS’s own figures suggest nothing of the sort.

They lie about ‘case’ numbers; they know the PCR test is flawed, but refuse to admit it;
They lie about hospital inpatient numbers, passing off every patient who has tested positive for Covid as being treated for Covid;
They lie about admissions numbers; counting patients who have tested positive for Covid while already in hospital as a new patient admission;
They lie about the death numbers; passing of any person who dies within 28 days of having a Covid positive test as a Covid death, regardless of the actual cause of death;
They lie about the ‘scientific’ data used to justify their actions.

They lie about the are working flat out to test everyone, when it’s widely reported by many that the test centres are constantly empty.

They’re terrified, are they? Yet it is them doing the terrifying!

They terrify the people by using the Police and Local Authorities to enforce their dictats on small shops, pubs, cafés, gyms, and other small business.

They terrify people into compliance with the use of extortionate fines.

They terrify people into staying away from loved one with pleas, to ‘not kill grandma’, for example!

The Quad are terrified, are they? MY FUCKING ARSE, THEY ARE!

WE are the ones who are terrified!

228483 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 8, #918 of 1470 🔗

Forgive the typos; written in anger. 🙂

228491 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Ceriain, 8, #919 of 1470 🔗

I missed the typos because I was angry whilst reading it. Your message was not diluted in any way.

228457 Jay Berger, replying to Jay Berger, 6, #920 of 1470 🔗

“HM Treasury long ago ran out of cash and the staff of the Debt Management Office are having a collective nervous breakdown. Seriously – some of the staff in that office are off with stress. At some point, the tap has to be turned off or no one will take our paper.”

And that’s before Covid 20, 21ff.

228470 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Jay Berger, 3, #921 of 1470 🔗

Soon be over

228566 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Cecil B, 1, #922 of 1470 🔗

What makes you think that?

228506 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Jay Berger, 9, #923 of 1470 🔗

The 10-year UK gilt yield is currently 0.21%. So there is little sign of people giving up on buying our debt or getting worried about it not being repaid.

We will just issue a giant 100-year war bond for a slightly higher interest rate to pay for all this.

And if inflation comes along, well that will hurt pensioners on fixed incomes or people with little wage bargaining power but who cares about them, right…

228544 ▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to jhfreedom, 2, #924 of 1470 🔗

That’s the official line, everywhere.
And why Toby’s inside report to the contrary is quite interesting.

228546 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to jhfreedom, #925 of 1470 🔗

Don’t forget the expedient of the billiard mark note. That worked well.

228565 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to jhfreedom, 1, #926 of 1470 🔗

The Bank of England can keep buying it indefinitely with QE.

228458 ihanson, 7, #927 of 1470 🔗

On the govt covid dashboard, under ‘testing’: Interestingly the chart shows nearly two weeks ago (22nd October) the testing capacity starting rising sharply, but the number of tests processed started dropping.

This is significant. Are the number of people with symptoms reducing rapidly? No symptoms, no test. Perhaps this chart more than any other shows things peaked in October, lending weight to Yeadon’s interpretation.

228475 annie, replying to annie, 16, #928 of 1470 🔗

Somebody was asking about international travel during the incarceration. According to the DM:

Can I leave the country?
No. The government is advising against all but essential international travel and only for work. However, reasons for travel will not be checked.

So: No. Yes. Maybe.

I should say ‘Go where the hell you want to, and if asked for your reason, lie.’

228492 ▶▶ Hubes, replying to annie, 3, #929 of 1470 🔗

Remember to speak German though when replying. If they catch you speaking English you’re in trouble.

228493 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Hubes, #930 of 1470 🔗

Was meinst du?

228526 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Hubes, 2, #931 of 1470 🔗

Vot is your name

228561 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to stefarm, 4, #932 of 1470 🔗

Don’t tell him, Hubes…

228568 ▶▶▶▶▶ Liz F, replying to Mark, 2, #933 of 1470 🔗

Hubes, your name will also go on ze list

228601 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Liz F, 3, #934 of 1470 🔗

Remember – we have German friends here. Need to sink all past differences and only work out who is for freedom and who is for tyranny …. and rescue as many as possible of the people in the middle.

228620 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Rosie, 1, #935 of 1470 🔗

“Ze”, is verbotten?

228637 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Liz F, replying to Rosie, 2, #936 of 1470 🔗

Indeed, I also have German friends. This was a reference to a famous episode from Dad’s Army.

229102 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Rosie, #937 of 1470 🔗

i.e. don’t mention the war. I did it once, but think I got away with it.

228905 ▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Mark, #938 of 1470 🔗


228539 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to annie, 6, #939 of 1470 🔗

Officially GDR 2.0.
Inofficially and in practice: do as you please, if you can muster the courage to do so.
Same for masks in the UK, obviously.
Which makes me wonder even more what the point and real reason for all of this is?!

228478 Mark, replying to Mark, 25, #940 of 1470 🔗

11 “Liberal” “Democrat” MPs. 11 LD votes for lockdown lunacy.

Didn’t think it was possible for that party to sink any lower in my estimation, but there it is…

228505 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Mark, 6, #941 of 1470 🔗

Plus all the other so called opposition parties.

228533 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Mark, 5, #942 of 1470 🔗

Same with all the so called liberal parties on the continent.
RIP forever for me.

228545 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Mark, 2, #943 of 1470 🔗

The Illiberal Undemocratic Party. Should be renamed the “EU and Lockdown Spider Justice Party”.

228616 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Mark, 2, #944 of 1470 🔗

The Lib Dems were neither Liberal nor Democratic. And now they’re simply the party of fruitcake issues.

Ditto Labour where they clearly haven’t learned from their crushing defeat nearly a year ago.

228484 Will, replying to Will, 27, #945 of 1470 🔗

How I have come to loathe this pathetic country.

228487 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Will, 5, #946 of 1470 🔗

My intention to leave it as soon as I can now. Where though offers a release ?

228497 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Leemc23, 11, #947 of 1470 🔗

That’s the problem. Only a handful of countries are resisting this, and many are in far worse positions than us.

228500 ▶▶▶ watashi, replying to Leemc23, 4, #948 of 1470 🔗

Would Sweden be a good place to be?

228529 ▶▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to watashi, 6, #949 of 1470 🔗

Sweden or Tanzania.
Unless you fancy Nicaragua or Belarus.
Brazilians seem to take it more easy on the ground at least.
And if Trump wins and replaces Fauci with Atlas, Florida looks good again.

228553 ▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Jay Berger, 6, #950 of 1470 🔗

I fear the USA is now also lost.

228600 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to DRW, 4, #951 of 1470 🔗

“It’s not over until the fat lady sings.”

228579 ▶▶▶▶▶ James Bertram, replying to Jay Berger, 3, #952 of 1470 🔗

Nicaragua and Tanzania are both cracking countries, beautiful weather, great scenery and wildlife, and lovely people. Too, your money goes a long way. Both thoroughly recommended –
from an inveterate traveller.

228532 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to watashi, 1, #953 of 1470 🔗

I loved it when I went recently but there’s a difference between a holiday and living there

I loved England but I would emigrate tomorrow if I didn’t have family responsibilities that keep me here

228576 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Julian, 7, #954 of 1470 🔗

I’ve watched England deteriorate into something rather contemptible, losing most of the things that made it worthwhile, for several decades now, but I’ll never emigrate. First, I’m too old now and my children are adult. No point. Second, as an expat you have no real right to complain about anything in the country you are a guest in. And I enjoy dissenting.

If it comes to it, I’ll go down fighting rather than leave.

228598 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Mark, #955 of 1470 🔗


228674 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Mark, #956 of 1470 🔗

That’s the honourable course of action.

I don’t mind dissenting but was hoping not to have to spend the rest of my life doing it.

I also need to consider the mental health of my nearest and dearest.

228537 ▶▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to watashi, 6, #957 of 1470 🔗

Possibly, but then again Sweden already resembles the prototype of the Great Reset!

228853 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #958 of 1470 🔗

Not totally as yet…and according to the Public Health Agency they are not planning on vaccinating everyone in the near future, nor making it mandatory..

228624 ▶▶▶ AfterAll, replying to Leemc23, 2, #959 of 1470 🔗

Japan, Taiwan, Vietnam maybe. Uruguay also good.

228490 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Will, 3, #960 of 1470 🔗

Yes – I used to be proud, now just shame.

228501 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Will, 3, #961 of 1470 🔗

Trouble is, that most of the rest of the world is no different.

228547 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Will, 7, #962 of 1470 🔗

I regulaly think the same, we may as well have just surrendered to the Nazis because the rest of Europe was also doing it.

228552 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to DRW, 8, #963 of 1470 🔗

The world has just surrendered to the Nazis. Really.

228575 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Two-Six, 4, #964 of 1470 🔗

I agree, the whole War looks completely pointless now.

228499 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 15, #965 of 1470 🔗

The Covid Zoe app (don’t worry, I don’t have it – but I look at the updates) is reporting England’s R number (don’t worry, I don’t believe in it – but the government are clearly obsessed by it) is around 1 for the second day in a row.

Happy lockdown everyone. What an utterly depressing day.

228527 ▶▶ Julian, replying to A. Contrarian, 10, #966 of 1470 🔗

I have it and report religiously that I am in rude health every day

I am contributing to keeping R down

228512 jhfreedom, replying to jhfreedom, 14, #967 of 1470 🔗

What a disaster tonight, for all the resistance in recent days it was a total landslide in favour of the lockdown.

Slightly down about this outcome, but will re-group tomorrow.

228595 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to jhfreedom, 3, #968 of 1470 🔗

Too right – and KBO !

228515 Biggles, replying to Biggles, 29, #969 of 1470 🔗

As my MP voted for lockdown today I make no apology for the fact that he now has an email that contains the word TWAT.

228658 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Biggles, 3, #970 of 1470 🔗

My MP is female so technically I suppose she is a twat and has one.

228517 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 15, #971 of 1470 🔗

Saw a US election commissioner address the media on TV. She touched and adjusted her mask about 50 times in five minutes. Masks concentrate pathogens and help spread them widely via finger contact.

228518 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to OKUK, 15, #972 of 1470 🔗

The mask nonsense is all for show my friend, a pantomime.

Agree that they are a vector for spreading germs. As soon as the camera is off they come off.

The plebs just haven’t realised.

228525 Steeve, 6, #973 of 1470 🔗

My Stat of the day is relating to week ending 23rd October England and Wales

978 Deaths involving Covid-19

959 Deaths above the 5 year average for those dying at home.

228551 John K, 9, #974 of 1470 🔗

Really down about today’s vote by the large majority of fuckwitted MPs. Major kudos to those who voted against LD 2. Clutching at straws, but why hasn’t the anonymous group released any incriminating evidence? There must be so much available from UK government alone. Anonymous have a few videos on their website, but mostly vague ‘wait for this date’ type stuff. We could do with them exposing the out and out lies to the world – see how the nodding dog lockdown proles react and realise they have been had.

228558 Dave #KBF, 3, #975 of 1470 🔗

Mark Devlin follows up his interview with Michael O’Bernicia


228560 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 3, #976 of 1470 🔗

Well, that was quick: email from my caring Government.

Dear Ceriain,

On 31 October, the Prime Minister announced new national restrictions to help control the spread of COVID-19. We are writing to you because you have previously been identified as someone thought to be clinically extremely vulnerable and at highest risk of becoming very unwell if you catch COVID-19. This letter contains important advice on how to protect yourself and how to access further support.

Coronavirus cases are rising rapidly across the whole of the UK, and that is why, from 5 November until 2 December, the Government has taken the following action:

The new national restrictions are rules that apply to everyone and which everyone must follow. The full details of these rules can be found online at https://www.gov.uk/coronavirus .

In addition, the Government is issuing new guidance to clinically extremely vulnerable people. This is set out in the following pages.
Whilst this is not a return to the very restrictive shielding advice you may have followed earlier in the year, you are strongly advised to follow these extra precautionary shielding measures to help keep yourself safe. This remains advice, not the law.

You should stay at home as much as possible but are encouraged to go outdoors for exercising and attending health appointments. You are strongly advised to work from home. If you cannot work from home, then you should not attend work. You may be eligible for the Coronavirus Job Retention Scheme (furlough). This letter is a formal shielding notification and can act as evidence for your employer to show that you cannot work outside your home until 2 December, including for statutory sick pay (SSP) purposes.

The new national restrictions, and this specific advice will apply across England for four weeks up to Wednesday 2 December. At the end of this period, we expect to return to guidance that is specific to your region, based on the latest data. We will write to you again with further information before then.

Please remember that the NHS is open, and we urge you to continue to access all the NHS services that you need. It is safer for you to use the NHS than to try to manage alone.

If you are concerned about the impact of COVID-19 on your health, speak to your GP, hospital clinician or use NHS111. Further information on how to access help, including how to register for support, can be found in the attached guidance.

We know that this is a difficult time and many people are making significant sacrifices. Thank you for your efforts to keep yourself and others safe.

Yours sincerely,

Secretary of State for Health and Social Care

Secretary of State for Housing, Communities and Local Government

228573 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Ceriain, 4, #977 of 1470 🔗

Dear Government,

I refer you to Pressdram vs Arkell as my response to you.

Yours etc.

228586 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Ceriain, 2, #978 of 1470 🔗

Chuck it in the bin

228597 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ceriain, 2, #979 of 1470 🔗

Huh? Stay at home, work at home, only go out for exercise… isn’t that the same as the guidance/rules/law that applies to all of us now, vulnerable or not?

228604 ▶▶ annie, replying to Ceriain, 3, #980 of 1470 🔗

Well, there you are, dear, just embrace living death and you’ll be absolutely fine.

228699 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to annie, 1, #981 of 1470 🔗

Thanks, Annie.

It also came with a massive amount of advice for individual situations. A right load of old bollocks!

228588 Richard O, replying to Richard O, 10, #982 of 1470 🔗

My predictions for a Democrat presidency: full steam ahead with Covid totalitarianism, the Great Reset, Woke on steroids and the end of the First and Second Amendments. And that’s just for starters.

228608 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Richard O, 11, #983 of 1470 🔗

I’m afraid you may be right, but in the US most things are controlled at the state level. Joe might spout off about a national mask mandate, but he can’t actually make that happen. The red states might be our only hope. No way will the governors of Florida or South Dakota go along with a mask mandate. On the Great Reset, I’m with you. Biden will be all in.

228621 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 7, #984 of 1470 🔗

Ultimately I foresee the Balkanisation of the USA into regions. This is the end of the era of American predominance as a world power. It had a good run (1945-2020). Over to China.

228627 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Richard O, 2, #985 of 1470 🔗

I think many would be happier that way. The blue states and the red states can finally get off each other’s backs.

228590 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 29, #986 of 1470 🔗

You want me to take the vaccine? Fine. When it’s available I want to see doctors injecting all members of the royal family, all MPS, all Civil Servants, all members of SAGE, all heads of the armed forces, all GPS and staff in the NHS, all heads of the MSM, all Vice Chancellors of Universities, all head teachers of schools. Then, I will wait for five years to see how they’ve done, before even remotely considering being jabhed.

228593 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to PatrickF, 11, #987 of 1470 🔗

and we get to supervise which one they get, and check the audit trail that it’s the genuine product and not saline solution.

228607 ▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Rosie, 6, #988 of 1470 🔗

Agree. Vaccinations to be televised. Good for the nation’s morale.

228614 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to PatrickF, 1, #989 of 1470 🔗

Wasn’t there something recently about getting the Queen to have one in front of the cameras?

228655 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to DRW, #990 of 1470 🔗

Get real. Who knows what goes into an alleged injection?

228659 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to RickH, #991 of 1470 🔗

Oh that would be a placebo alright, a completely staged event for MSM headlines. It was suggested in the DT IIRC.

228908 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to PatrickF, #992 of 1470 🔗

Celebrity Vax: they’ll be queueing up.

Or, the alternative version for those of us with a brain: I’m not an idiot, get me out of here!

228599 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to PatrickF, 7, #993 of 1470 🔗

Don’t forget every single public figure who has supported the agenda e.g. Piers Morgan.

228911 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Richard O, #994 of 1470 🔗

You could sell tickets for that. Make it first prize in the lottery; for only £2.50, if you win, you get to stick this needle up his arse!

228606 ▶▶ DRW, replying to PatrickF, 3, #995 of 1470 🔗

They’ll all be getting placebos.

228663 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to DRW, 2, #996 of 1470 🔗

Well the placebo killed a 28 year old in Brazil, so here’s hoping.

228684 ▶▶▶▶ MsStroppster, replying to jb12, 4, #997 of 1470 🔗

The placebo in the AZ trial is a meningitis vaccine which also causes nasty adverse reactions. Therefore how this is reported is open to interpretation. I would steer clear.

228788 ▶▶ steph, replying to PatrickF, 1, #998 of 1470 🔗

You’ll have to climb over my dead body to give that to my doctor son and his wife. They are not all the enemy.

228869 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to steph, #999 of 1470 🔗

What are they them if they start assisting in mass vaccination?

229243 ▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to jb12, #1000 of 1470 🔗

You are making a big assumption there. My son worked in ICU at the start of this and at a time when we didn’t know enough about the disease. I was extremely frightened for him and didn’t sleep. My daughter in law then caught it working in hospital and took a long time to get over it.
I am totally sceptical of the over reaction and hate the NHS with a vengeance, but not all workers in it deserve our contempt.

228836 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to PatrickF, #1001 of 1470 🔗

In theory a good idea, but they would never be given the same vaccine they want us to have – they’d just get some saline solution or other..

228594 ianric, replying to ianric, 31, #1002 of 1470 🔗

My apologies if something similar has been posted before. This is from the CPS website regarding the characteristics of coercion under criminal law. Notice how similar many points are to lockdown laws –

  • Isolating a person from their friends and family
  • Depriving them of their basic needs
  • Monitoring their time
  • Monitoring a person via online communication tools or using spyware
  • Taking control over aspects of their everyday life, such as where they can go, who they can see, what to wear and when they can sleep
  • Depriving them access to support services, such as specialist support or medical services
  • Repeatedly putting them down such as telling them they are worthless
  • Enforcing rules and activity which humiliate, degrade or dehumanise the victim
  • Forcing the victim to take part in criminal activity such as shoplifting, neglect or abuse of children to encourage self-blame and prevent disclosure to authorities
  • Financial abuse including control of finances, such as only allowing a person a punitive allowance
  • Control ability to go to school or place of study
  • Taking wages, benefits or allowances
  • Threats to hurt or kill
  • Threats to harm a child
  • Threats to reveal or publish private information (e.g. threatening to ‘out’ someone)
  • Threats to hurt or physically harming a family pet
  • Assault
  • Criminal damage (such as destruction of household goods)
  • Preventing a person from having access to transport or from working
  • Preventing a person from being able to attend school, college or University
  • Family ‘dishonour’
  • Reputational damage
  • Disclosure of sexual orientation
  • Disclosure of HIV status or other medical condition without consent
  • Limiting access to family, friends and finances
228609 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to ianric, 3, #1003 of 1470 🔗

Thank you for that. Did you compile it yourself? or where did you find it?

228610 ▶▶ annie, replying to ianric, 7, #1005 of 1470 🔗

I think you’ve muddled your documents, isn’t that the government’s blueprint for Lockdown no. 11111111?

228615 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to ianric, 2, #1006 of 1470 🔗

We are being governed by a gang of mafia thugs, so all of the above stands to reason.

228630 ▶▶ calchas, replying to ianric, 1, #1007 of 1470 🔗

Have you got a link please?

It reminds me of the video put out by ‘Amazing Polly’ entitled ‘Is this torture?’


228718 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to ianric, #1008 of 1470 🔗

That’s really food for thought

228602 JuttaW, replying to JuttaW, 11, #1009 of 1470 🔗

Dear friends,
I have to share this video with you. It is from a young french doctor, the porte-parole of an ensemble of scientists and doctors. This is so full of the obvious, how we should treat this situation, without being fatalistic about it. He explains very well the way out of this dilemma. I am very sorry it is in french, but I am sure there are some people her who understand and can pass the message across. We have to take things in our own hands and get active. I hope so much to get this positive message across to you!

228605 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to JuttaW, 5, #1010 of 1470 🔗

Hello Jutta and welcome 🙂 🙂 Where are you writing from?

228612 ▶▶▶ JuttaW, replying to Rosie, 7, #1011 of 1470 🔗

Hallo Rosie, from Germany

228619 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to JuttaW, 5, #1012 of 1470 🔗

Ah good. We need to network up together and communicate and organise ourselves better into teams. We’ve been talking about that today.
I’ll send this straight over to my friend who speaks all three languages.

I’m especially aware of the need to link up together across the main languages.

What activism are you involved in in Germany?

228623 ▶▶▶▶▶ JuttaW, replying to Rosie, 5, #1013 of 1470 🔗

I feel on this page since yesterday everybody seems so gloomy and yes fatalistic, as if we are not millions to do something about it. He sais exactly that, that there are so many associations fighting, they have to get together.

228628 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to JuttaW, 6, #1014 of 1470 🔗

Exactly. You know the phrase ‘divide and conquer’ ? – that’s what they are doing. When we are divided and disorganised they can demoralise us and pick us off one at a time.

228631 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JuttaW, replying to Rosie, 3, #1015 of 1470 🔗

exactly. Here we have associations of parents, teachers, shopowners etc. those forces have to be bound together.

228635 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to JuttaW, 1, #1016 of 1470 🔗

Us pessimists will argue we’re being realistic.

228640 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JuttaW, replying to DRW, 3, #1017 of 1470 🔗

just have someone translate that video to you if you don’t understand and you’ll see that you are fatalistic.

228641 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to DRW, 3, #1018 of 1470 🔗

Combine realism with determination, DRW. Chin up

228654 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to DRW, 3, #1019 of 1470 🔗

You are right, Jutta!

This is bigger and longer-term than a vote in Parliament or even a US election. There is plenty of work still to do and every inch of ground is worth fighting for.

228668 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JuttaW, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #1020 of 1470 🔗

agree. We have to form associations of parents, teachers, medical staff etc. and all those affected and then these association have to unite.

228691 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to JuttaW, 4, #1021 of 1470 🔗

Thanks for the link, Jutta. Have only watched 1st 10 minutes so far, but this guy is great! He is right, we must channel our anger and indignation into bravery. It is very encouraging to hear him talk about his belief that there is so much opposition out there.

228706 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JuttaW, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #1022 of 1470 🔗

very happy to read that Charlie!!! Yes he boosted my moral. I’ll get active with some groups. :o))
Actually he is so right saying this is a hold-up by a bunch of people and we are sooo many!

228701 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to JuttaW, #1023 of 1470 🔗

Ok, so we have some associations here. UsForThem is working for the children, and a Kennedy in America is working for children’s health – but nobody is getting down to the grass roots, and saying to parents that they need to say “no” to the schools. So how do we connect the organisation to the general person. Here in GB we have a problem of people from different social classes not talking to one another, and I think that is part of the problem here.
Also the amount of gov control and coercion makes it difficult.
For example, I campaign against ‘climate change’ and there is zero tolerance from the gov of that, complete control, so that rules me out from getting involved in anything nationally.

228988 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to JuttaW, 1, #1024 of 1470 🔗

Gloomy and fatalistic, well there is a lot to be gloomy and fatalistic about. However, some of us are determined to do the right thing and will resist the fat dictator’s insane diktats to the very end. If you do refuse the coming vaccines they will very likely try to make your life hell, but if you get vaccinated, your health will deteriorate and then death will be a welcome relief. Sorry not to be more cheerful, but the present situation is extremely dire.

228625 ▶▶▶▶▶ JuttaW, replying to Rosie, 4, #1025 of 1470 🔗

hahahaha for the moment I’m a lone fighter. I live in the country side near Frankfurt. My daughter livers there. But I woke up listening to this video.

228633 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to JuttaW, 1, #1026 of 1470 🔗

Right, so you need to find yourself a group of friends and then you can work together.
How can you go about doing that?

228648 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JuttaW, replying to Rosie, #1027 of 1470 🔗

I’ll have to get organised. Because as I said, the situation is not so dramatic as it seems in GB.

228693 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to JuttaW, 2, #1028 of 1470 🔗

Yes, resistance is better in Germany I think, and people have seen too much of it before. My friend from near Leipzig thinks we have gone mad, and she’s right. But we did not realise the BBC have been lying to us for decades.
However we all seem to be on the same agenda, so look into the vaccination intentions for Germany as well. They probably have compulsory toxic vaccination for you as well.

228768 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JuttaW, replying to Rosie, #1029 of 1470 🔗

yeah the people of the east are prepared so to speak. Of course the BBC is an institution and not only in Britain. My ex husband studied in London, so when we moved to his country we always listend to their world service. I learned only later that it is 100% gvt owned propaganda machine. Like all national tv stations. But for the BBC that was a shock.

228700 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Helen, replying to JuttaW, 2, #1030 of 1470 🔗

Jutta I am in Oberursel..I am in a group of 9, 4 ladies and 5 dogs and we meet in the woods

228704 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Helen, 1, #1031 of 1470 🔗

Hi Helen
I’m doing a reply to your message but got diverted on here, typical me I’m afraid. 🙂

228733 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Helen, replying to Rosie, #1032 of 1470 🔗

No problem ..Rosie

228717 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JuttaW, replying to Helen, 2, #1033 of 1470 🔗

Hi Helen, sorry but I was somewhere down reading and did not react to your message quick enough. Oh that is great, I am often in OU and we could meet there. Du erreichst mich unter coronafrei15 at web de
Würde mich freuen!

228728 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Helen, replying to JuttaW, 2, #1034 of 1470 🔗

Alas klar! Danke Jutta

228825 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Rosie, 1, #1035 of 1470 🔗

Maybe we can get the video subtitled?

228617 ▶▶▶ JuttaW, replying to Rosie, 5, #1036 of 1470 🔗

this video is so incredible, he lifted my morals and he is more than right. I just hope that there will be someone who can translate it.

228618 Dave #KBF, replying to Dave #KBF, #1037 of 1470 🔗

Does anyone know about the gatherings in towns and cities tomorrow?

228622 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Dave #KBF, 9, #1038 of 1470 🔗

I thought I would just walk out and about and greet people. Met today a great sceptic, and poor guy had not had a hug since March.
Friday at 6.00pm, but go alert for trouble, after what PPatel has been saying.

228647 ▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Rosie, 7, #1039 of 1470 🔗

PP was on TalkRADIO this evening pushing the penalty notice agenda.

I think we have to take direct (peaceful) action now, trying to communication with our elected representatives has failed.

228708 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Dave #KBF, 7, #1040 of 1470 🔗

Agree. We have to disobey these ‘rules’ and live like the free people we were born as. Not sure how given the size of the fines.
I know the churches are looking for ways round, and my dh has been saying they need to go about their business as usual and dare the gov to arrest them standing at the altar.

228820 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Dave #KBF, 1, #1041 of 1470 🔗

I think people should be having bonfires in the streets and burning effigies of the main players in all this – last community event before lockdown begins?

228629 annie, replying to annie, 28, #1042 of 1470 🔗

I had a ferocious ten-minute struggle with a face-nappy notice today. Boy, had somebody glued it on! In the end, half the notice remained on the wall, but ripped enough to be illegible. 2:1 to me, I think.
OH, dog and I then went on a lovely walk and found some good fossils, which made me happy.
Death to the Dungfords..

228638 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to annie, 8, #1043 of 1470 🔗

Take a thick pen with you next time?
Seriously, I discovered today that leaflets and notices are important.
The population has become person-phobic and it’s extremely difficult to engage anyone. In consequence, very few people accepted a leaflet from my hand, but when I left them lying around I discovered that they got picked up.

228646 ▶▶▶ JuttaW, replying to Rosie, 3, #1044 of 1470 🔗

I donno, why things in England are so different. Here almost everything seems like normal, except when you go shopping. On the streets almost noboy wears a mask and people gathering discussing the situation.

228652 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Rosie, 4, #1045 of 1470 🔗

I bet if you put them on a wall with a stone on top to stop them blowing away they’d happily pick up the stone to get the leaflet, missing the irony of them touching the same stone as many others. People don’t think.

228649 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to annie, 16, #1046 of 1470 🔗

I am still printing these out.
2 per A4 sheet, guillotine down, laminate so there is clear plastic all the way round, hole punch & cable tie to lamp posts, handrails etc.
Important to get clear plastic all the way round otherwise water gets in to the paper & makes it illegible in a couple of days

228880 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Nessimmersion, 1, #1047 of 1470 🔗

I hereby solemnly swear not to rip any of these notices down.

228961 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Nessimmersion, #1048 of 1470 🔗

Should it not be placed in the “Hazardous Waste” bin.

228661 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to annie, 1, #1049 of 1470 🔗

Thanks for the chuckle Annie!

228719 ▶▶ James007, replying to annie, 3, #1050 of 1470 🔗

Walking around our town this evening and seeing the notices and posters. I had the idea of buying some A4 stickers and covering them. “LOCKDOWNS COST LIVES!”

228734 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to annie, 3, #1051 of 1470 🔗

Another ripping yarn! Great stuff Annie.

228759 ▶▶ Paul, replying to annie, 4, #1052 of 1470 🔗

I don’t know who did it but,early on Sunday morning some anti-lockdown graffiti appeared on a few road signs around here,like I say I don’t know who did it,no idea,no clue at all.

228970 ▶▶ Sue, replying to annie, #1053 of 1470 🔗

annie inspired by your actions i walked past a school the other night which had horrible “keep your distance” laminated signage on the surrounding wall every 2 metres or so. I pulled 3 or so off before noticing a car no so far away probably watching in horror!
More homework for me to do on another walk past the school!!

229090 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to annie, #1054 of 1470 🔗

Maybe carry a cigarette lighter, as well as your other tools ? 🙂

228639 Edward, replying to Edward, 7, #1055 of 1470 🔗

Out walking today. On a public footpath which crosses a golf course, I engaged a golfer in conversation and tested him for scepticism, given that today is the last day he’ll be able to play for a while. Unfortunately I would describe him as complacently philosophical – “Back to walking for me” and “The wife has cleaned the paintbrushes ready for me to use”. At least he agreed that stopping people from doing healthy outdoor pursuits wasn’t very sensible.

228666 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Edward, 4, #1056 of 1470 🔗

Being philosophical or stoical in the face of adversity is generally admirable and helpful, sadly I think many have adopted that attitude to the coronapanic, wrongly believing that the adversity is preventable and nonexistent/manufactured. These people see us as whingers.

228758 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Julian, 3, #1057 of 1470 🔗

Bizarre, isn’t it?

Basically, what they’ve done is let themselves be hysterically panicked into hiding away from a trivial risk, and then they criticise those who object to hiding for not being stoical in the face of having to hide away!

228642 James007, replying to James007, 6, #1058 of 1470 🔗

My coping strategy tonight is pizza, beer and episodes of “Dave Allen at Large”

228694 ▶▶ Liam, replying to James007, 6, #1059 of 1470 🔗

God I wish Dave Allen was still with us.

228826 ▶▶▶ James007, replying to Liam, 2, #1060 of 1470 🔗

Me too. My dad loved Dave Allen. I was missing my dad and then got hold of Dave Allen’s shows, having not really watched him before. He has such a relaxing style..
And may your God go with you.

228875 ▶▶ annie, replying to James007, 2, #1061 of 1470 🔗

And may your God go with you.

229063 ▶▶ Lucky, replying to James007, #1062 of 1470 🔗


228645 Will, replying to Will, 5, #1063 of 1470 🔗

Leaping aboard the wagon until the 2nd December. I have been drinking too much and a month of sobriety is necessary. See you on the other side.

228653 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Will, 9, #1064 of 1470 🔗

Prohibition is coming. I will continue to drink as much and as often as my body will tolerate.

228672 ▶▶▶ jakehadlee, replying to Richard O, 3, #1065 of 1470 🔗

If you need any recipes for home made liquor let me know, I have many!

228676 ▶▶▶ rose, replying to Richard O, 2, #1066 of 1470 🔗

I think I’ll buy a still!

228682 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Richard O, 5, #1067 of 1470 🔗

It is not your body. It belongs to the state.

228689 ▶▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Leemc23, 5, #1068 of 1470 🔗

Actually, I think that’s accurate. Hence the opt out for organ donation.

229056 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lucky, replying to Laura Suckling, #1069 of 1470 🔗

Good point. I opted out. They made a point that you should inform your family. I questioned why that is necessary and what about those with no family? No reply.

228713 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Richard O, 1, #1070 of 1470 🔗

Probably the optimal remedy for this situation.

228657 ▶▶ Liz F, replying to Will, 1, #1071 of 1470 🔗

Good luck with that!

228696 ▶▶ Dave Tee, replying to Will, 2, #1072 of 1470 🔗

Good luck.

I’ve got Majestic on speed-dial at this point.

228662 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 15, #1073 of 1470 🔗


Delingpole on the great lock up scandal

Predicted for the weeks ahead:

food rationing
fuel poverty
civil unrest
power cuts

I keep thinking about the desperate courage of the Jarrow Marchers; will such a spirit reappear if this madness continues ad infinitum?

What do others think?

228665 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to wendyk, 3, #1074 of 1470 🔗

civil unrest yes but can’t see the others happening any time soon, why would they?

228673 ▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to Anothersceptic2, 9, #1075 of 1470 🔗

I agree that the others are unlikely but if they did happen, lockdown would be well and truly forgotten about that’s for sure. Once people can’t get food on the table that’s it.

228679 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Poppy, #1076 of 1470 🔗

I disagree, people are so far gone that even starvation will not be enough to get them angry. Besides, if you are starving, you are not in any position to start resisting with force.

228685 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Richard O, 2, #1077 of 1470 🔗

Well at least we’re all agreeing to disagree on what might happen, but I’m certain, based on experience, that fuel poverty will definitely blight the lives of many who are already struggling.

As to food rationing, possible.

228698 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to wendyk, 1, #1078 of 1470 🔗

I also notice that the above are your predictions, not Delingpole’s!

228707 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Richard O, 3, #1079 of 1470 🔗

Yes, mine, but I wanted to post the link to Delingpole’s article.

228716 ▶▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Richard O, 4, #1080 of 1470 🔗

They will have to eat their toilet rolls

228807 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Richard O, #1081 of 1470 🔗

Maybe that’s the plan – starve people so they have no energy to resist…

228844 ▶▶▶▶▶ HoMojo, replying to Richard O, 1, #1082 of 1470 🔗

Tell that to the sans coulottes who were participants at the beginning of La Revolution Francaise

228675 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Anothersceptic2, 3, #1083 of 1470 🔗

Simple. Anything and everything to traumatise us into accepting the vaccine.

228678 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Anothersceptic2, 7, #1084 of 1470 🔗

Fuel poverty already affects thousands and is likely to affect many more.

Food rationing is a possibility if the restrictions continue.

Donations to our local food bank are increasing steadily.

I think it’s likely that this will happen.

As to power cuts, I remember the infamous three day week,.

Different circumstances, but if this continues, anything could happen.

228697 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to wendyk, 11, #1085 of 1470 🔗

3 day week was a picnic compared to this madness.

228751 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #1086 of 1470 🔗

Not without its victims, though. Our hamster died, for one.

228773 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Anothersceptic2, #1087 of 1470 🔗


228922 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Anothersceptic2, 1, #1088 of 1470 🔗

Engineered food shortages are coming and will be blamed on Covid-19. The government will be hoping that this will be one more step helping to push the public into accepting the highly suspect vaccines that Bill Gates wants all 7 billion people to have injected several times a year. If Bill gets $5 dollars a shot, then he makes about $100 billion a year. How much of Bill’s loose change then finds its way into the pockets of government ministers and its scientific advisors?

228805 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to wendyk, #1089 of 1470 🔗

Gosh, he sounds positive! (not…)

228903 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Carrie, #1090 of 1470 🔗

At present there is absolutely no reason to feel positive about what’s going on, none whatsoever. This is now turning into a very nasty war and the government has all the weapons, as long as the great mass of the population continues to slumber on.

228810 ▶▶ Censored Dog, replying to wendyk, #1091 of 1470 🔗

I just don’t see food rationing happening.

228887 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Censored Dog, 2, #1092 of 1470 🔗

It may well be rationing by engineered shortages.

228687 GuyRich, 13, #1093 of 1470 🔗

$66,600 fine in Australia for non-covid vaccination? Could they be any more obvious with their three 6’s?!

228690 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 18, #1094 of 1470 🔗

What a disgusting country we now live in:



An extract:

A retired nurse was arrested by police after attempting to ‘rescue’ her 97-year-old mother from a care home so she could be looked after by her family.

Ylenia Angelis, 73, wheeled her elderly mother out of her care home on an impulse after hugging her for the first time in nine months.

However, police pursued Ms Angelis to a local garden centre where officers arrested her on suspicion of assault, before driving her mother back to the facility.

Distressing footage posted on social media showed Ms Angelis’s mother, Tina Thornborough, a retired seamstress suffering from advanced dementia, looking confused as her daughter was placed in the back of a squad car on Tuesday afternoon.

Campaigners said the incident betrayed the “lunacy” of lockdown rules preventing families from spending time with their loved ones in their final months and years.

228711 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Tenchy, 4, #1095 of 1470 🔗

It’s is awful. I feel for them all.

228715 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1096 of 1470 🔗


228720 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1097 of 1470 🔗

Who reported these poor women to the cops?

228736 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to wendyk, 3, #1098 of 1470 🔗

Unclear from the report, but it sounds like the care home; Northgate House in Market Weighton, near York.

228748 ▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to wendyk, 11, #1099 of 1470 🔗

the cae workeeres at the home. she was unarrested and released without charge. I hope some pro bono lawyers stiffs the police and the home on her behalf, it was fucking disgusting NAZIS

228885 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Iansn, 2, #1100 of 1470 🔗

The police need to catch up fast with what’s going on and then ask themselves whether they willing to become a resurrected branch of the Gestapo.

228729 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1101 of 1470 🔗

I literally sobbed earlier when I watched this

228771 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1102 of 1470 🔗

Assault? Who is the victim? Or does that not matter? Or is Johnson the victim, whenever his rules are disobeyed?

228872 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Ovis, 1, #1103 of 1470 🔗

His rules are probably not legal and are certainly immoral.

228695 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 37, #1104 of 1470 🔗

My considered response to any MP who today voted for Lockdown.


The virus is not in anyones control. People will die and you and I will both feel sad.

The Lockdown was in your control and that of your party and where I will continue to feel sad, you will have the burden of blood on your hands for the rest of your days. Where as I will die without guilt, you are afforded no such gift.

You knew that lockdowns would kill. But you did it anyway. You do not hold any moral high ground. You do not represent me.


228767 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Leemc23, #1105 of 1470 🔗

Excellent. Well said

228963 ▶▶ Kath Andrews, replying to Leemc23, #1106 of 1470 🔗

Yes, I mirror Rosie’s comment – excellent and indeed well said!

228712 NickR, replying to NickR, 27, #1107 of 1470 🔗

I was in the pub tonight, last blast! I spoke to 3 people I didn’t know, 2 sisters & later a tradesman of some sort, all 3 conspiracy theorists because short of a global conspiracy they can’t understand how all this can be happening.
It brought to mind Abraham Lincoln’s words: “You can fool all the people some of the time and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.” I think time is running out.

228723 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to NickR, 1, #1108 of 1470 🔗

For whom? Us or the government?

228740 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Richard O, 6, #1109 of 1470 🔗

It’s running out for us. If only more people were prepared to defy the ‘rules’ I would be less worried, but they aren’t.

We need to get our acts together and also exchange telephone numbers because there’s too much chance of them suddenly closing sites like this now. All normal today, bang shut tomorrow. Strongly recommend people do so with those that they have got to know well here.

happened to me once before, for a different reason, but then were able to find one another by Facebook – well they are on the case there as well.

228840 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Rosie, #1110 of 1470 🔗

Absolutely, local groups offline.

228865 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to NickR, #1111 of 1470 🔗

And then they shot him.

228724 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 14, #1112 of 1470 🔗

Anybody think we are on some type of war footing?

228726 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Country Mumkin, 13, #1113 of 1470 🔗

Yes. The state has been at war with us since 23rd March. And we are getting our asses kicked.

228727 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Country Mumkin, 4, #1114 of 1470 🔗

I’m starting to think so.

228769 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to wendyk, 1, #1115 of 1470 🔗

And about time too, but better late than never.

228791 ▶▶▶ Ryan, replying to wendyk, #1116 of 1470 🔗


228730 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Country Mumkin, #1117 of 1470 🔗

We as in sceptics?

228735 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #1118 of 1470 🔗

No. Something physical/traditional. Not just that I notice lots of co-ordinated military plane activity, but a few other distinct variables where I’ve joined the random dots.

228741 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 3, #1119 of 1470 🔗

One variable… that awful ad that says we will stop at nothing to protect British national security. Now that we are at sever terror alert.

228745 ▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Country Mumkin, #1120 of 1470 🔗

Interesting, CM! Do you have a sense of which would the the hostile power?

228753 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Charlie Blue, #1121 of 1470 🔗

No I’m not sure at all.
Part of me thinks bioweapon from China.
Or perhaps some sort of theatrical war, like the one we’ve seen staged with the virus.

228765 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Country Mumkin, 4, #1122 of 1470 🔗

no no, it’s the gov against us, ramping up the fear psychologically, and locking us down.

228775 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Rosie, 2, #1123 of 1470 🔗

Maybe it’s just the psychological games and consequence of imprisonment. Difficult to know.

228797 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ryan, replying to Country Mumkin, #1124 of 1470 🔗


228974 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #1125 of 1470 🔗

The British government. Do keep up.

228783 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Country Mumkin, 7, #1126 of 1470 🔗

How convenient these terror attacks are. Governments across Europe can now screw down the lid on their battered populations even tighter.

228801 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Rowan, 2, #1127 of 1470 🔗

Absolutely. And maybe get some military toys out to play with. Might we see a rise in armed guards (army) around?

228828 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #1128 of 1470 🔗

It’s already happening in the UK.

228920 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Country Mumkin, #1129 of 1470 🔗

They’re already recruiting.

228949 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Cheezilla, #1130 of 1470 🔗

Do you think this is solely for mass vax or something else? Patrolled and controlled streets as a new way of life? Digital ID checks? Arresting dissidents?

228746 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Country Mumkin, 5, #1131 of 1470 🔗

It’s that sinister silence and the hints from PPatel, and the foreign TSG

228755 ▶▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Rosie, 4, #1132 of 1470 🔗

Sorry if this talk worries anyone. It’s just a sense and random dot joining.

228757 ▶▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Rosie, #1133 of 1470 🔗

Yes PP for sure. Who is TSG?

228766 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #1134 of 1470 🔗

Territorial Support Group, paramilitary police.

228778 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Hieronimusb, #1135 of 1470 🔗

Oh right, thanks for clarifying. How are they involved?

228833 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Country Mumkin, #1136 of 1470 🔗

How do you think?

228924 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Hieronimusb, #1137 of 1470 🔗

Formerly known as the SPG.

228850 ▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #1138 of 1470 🔗

My friend is ex-military and he is being e-mailed lots of job offers from NATO just now. With Peado Joe winning as well, expect war – it’s what democrats do.

228916 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to jb12, 2, #1139 of 1470 🔗

Nothing democratic about those Democrats!

228732 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Country Mumkin, 4, #1140 of 1470 🔗

It feels like that. This last few weeks has felt like the phony war, and now we are into the real deal.
I’m frightened, I can tell you

228737 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Rosie, 2, #1141 of 1470 🔗

And that too. Without doubt this was the prelude.

228750 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Rosie, 4, #1142 of 1470 🔗

When Johnson warned back in July that he had asked for the assistance of the Army to handle a multi-pronged crisis that will cripple the country over the winter, it was clear we were in for a very rough ride. This is where the rubber hits the road folks. Expect very bad news more or less every day for the next 3-6 months.


228756 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Richard O, 6, #1143 of 1470 🔗

The bad news will continue for as long as it takes to force vaccinate us all. After that we are finished as individuals and as a species.

228772 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Richard O, 1, #1144 of 1470 🔗

Yes I remember many of them saying it will be a very tough winter. I’m somewhat apprehensive about what’s next. I don’t think we’re just hanging out for the vaccine.

228752 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Rosie, 7, #1145 of 1470 🔗

Yes it’s a real war government against the people. We’ve really known that all along, but any lingering doubts have now been completely dispelled and it will soon turn nasty. Apprehensive rather than frightened, I will resist their compulsory measures to the bitter end.

228781 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Rowan, 1, #1146 of 1470 🔗

I feel that. I’m not in the least unsure about the war they are waging on us. I just sensed something else, more physical and traditional. In addition to that. But as Rosie pointed out, it may be just the psychological warfare playing games with my mind.

228785 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Country Mumkin, 3, #1147 of 1470 🔗

Moving the military personnel and hardware into position for the mass vaccination rollout. Martial law.

228815 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Richard O, 1, #1148 of 1470 🔗

Yes that’s been on the cards since March. Surprisingly there are still people on this site don’t yet realise the depth of the hole we are now in. Bill Gates wants to force vaccinate us with at least one of his several genocidal brews and the UK government is doing everything it can to help him do just that.

228863 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Country Mumkin, #1149 of 1470 🔗

Sorry I may have misread what you said. They are of course messing with our minds. Our government invests an awful lot of our money seeking to rid us of our free will.

228824 ▶▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to Rosie, 2, #1150 of 1470 🔗

I hate to add to your worries Rosie, but for the next few days wind generations is going to be way down as will be temperatures. They are already ramping up the coal powered generators and the National Grid have issued their highest warning about potential blackouts. When coal fired power stations have fully shut down in a few years time here will be no resilience and the power will go off and may be off for extended periods. In case you haven’t worked out for yourself, none of you EVs will work, and electrically powered public transport will grind to a halt.
It is so good to have a benevolent and scientifically astute government.

228838 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Pancho the Grey, 1, #1151 of 1470 🔗

Electricity outages will be intentional and will be blamed on Covid-19, of course.

228889 ▶▶▶ JuttaW, replying to Rosie, 2, #1152 of 1470 🔗

fear eats the soul as the saying goes ;o))

228762 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Country Mumkin, #1153 of 1470 🔗

I’ll assume that is a rhetorical question.

228798 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Rowan, #1154 of 1470 🔗

Was there any information on UK column today about all this?

228823 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Carrie, #1155 of 1470 🔗

UK Column is still on Youtube.

228827 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #1156 of 1470 🔗

Yes, that has crossed my mind.

My current position remains that the covid measures are intended to manage a financial reset,

228731 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, #1157 of 1470 🔗

James Delingpole is known to Adrian Monck Managing Director of WEF. I hope James comments on that as James was mentioned by Adrian on a short interview Julia HB did with him.

228739 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #1158 of 1470 🔗

Delingpole and Young discussed that on the latest London Calling podcast.


228742 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Mark, #1159 of 1470 🔗

Ooh did they. I’ll listen to that. Thanks 🙂

228907 ▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Mark, 1, #1160 of 1470 🔗

TY still seems to think this is a giant cock-up, JD is a bit more truthful with himself.

228743 Paul, replying to Paul, 25, #1161 of 1470 🔗

We had our last visit to our favourite restaurant for god knows how long tonight.It’s family run and they are pretty devastated by having to close,they have been sceptics from the start but they have complied with everything they’ve been told to do and they well and truly feel that the government has taken a great big shit on them.
The place was full to capacity tonight,with regulars showing their support which was really good to see.Overhearing conversations from different tables the overall consensus seemed to be we’ve had more than enough now,none of this makes any sense and it is time to stop the lunacy.I heard a few people mention they were going to ignore all of the rules and also about businesses that are finding surreptitious ways to keep trading.

228754 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Paul, 7, #1162 of 1470 🔗

That doesn’t surprise me and its sad. I’ve been getting emails from chain restaurants saying that they will carry on trading with take away and deliveries.

228760 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Paul, 5, #1163 of 1470 🔗

Finding ways around the rules is the way to go. My husband’s been tweeting all day about it as regards the churches.

Do you fancy volunteering for the role of coordinator? In that we need someone to collect the strategies together, link up the people who are already working on it, ask Lord Sumption to lead it, ask Freshfields, see if the law students want to turn activist. If they don’t there will be no rule of law and nothing for them to do with their training. Listen right to the end of the Sumption lecture. We need to network like crazy and exchange email addresses/telephone numbers.

228816 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Rosie, #1164 of 1470 🔗


228879 ▶▶▶ JuttaW, replying to Rosie, 2, #1165 of 1470 🔗

Rosie, you are so activ and enthusiastic. But this forum or better this discussion tree is so confusing. All the important messages slip down and nobody or not many notice them. Can one change this somehow?

228950 ▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Rosie, 1, #1166 of 1470 🔗

Hi Rosie, can you start a post on the site’s forums please for volunteers? Things tend to get lost here in the many comments and it would keep it all together. If I see anything that suits my skills then I’d be happy to get involved too. 😊

228776 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Paul, 10, #1167 of 1470 🔗

I’m glad they were busy and that they have such good support. We were very busy today also (trade levels same as the summer which is bonkers for a November day).

Everyone asking if we are staying open – we are for takeaways. Not one person chided us for doing so (as in “OMG k, but there’s a rampant virus on the loose, you need to stay closed for the good of the country” kind of thing). Everyone wants us to stay open. Though one wag thought it was amusing to tell me that he would visit me in Holloway if I got arrested. Ha ha, ha ha, split my sides laughing over that one – not!

228790 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to kh1485, 2, #1168 of 1470 🔗

There’s always an amateur comedian isn’t there ? !.

228806 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Paul, 8, #1169 of 1470 🔗

Yep. I told him it wasn’t funny what we were (all) facing. But, as I’ve said before, there are too many people who are just looking upon this as a bit of a jolly jape. A bit of excitement in their otherwise dull lives. They think it won’t affect them but it will. (Oh, and I think this bloke has some sort of connection to the church – tosser).

228906 ▶▶▶▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to kh1485, 4, #1170 of 1470 🔗

Yep. Just been to my (packed) local Liberal Club for a last pint or three. There was way too much excitement about, people going on about all the jolly things they’ve got planned for Lockdown 2. This has given meaning to people’s lives. Cunts.

228941 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sue, replying to Now More Than Ever, #1171 of 1470 🔗

get me the effing bucket!
Boring arseholes – this country is full of them unfortunately

228971 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to kh1485, #1172 of 1470 🔗

Connection to the church? Virtually guaranteed to be a heartless zombie, then.

228809 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 1, #1173 of 1470 🔗

Epic fail to that bloke – sooo trying hard to be funny.

228877 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to kh1485, 1, #1174 of 1470 🔗

ignore my question above you have just answered it

229012 ▶▶ Coronamoana, replying to Paul, #1175 of 1470 🔗

I had the same experience tonight.

228744 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 9, #1176 of 1470 🔗
228747 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to kh1485, #1177 of 1470 🔗

Please give a quick summary!

228764 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Rosie, 11, #1178 of 1470 🔗

Shop owner being harrassed by the police (even before the wretched lockdown). He invokes common law, doesn’t lose his cool (how he managed it I don’t know). He gets their names and numbers but they don’t get his. Absolutely brilliant.

228780 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to kh1485, #1179 of 1470 🔗


228784 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Rosie, 2, #1180 of 1470 🔗

How did today go Rosie? Sorry, only just got home and haven’t seen most of today’s posts.

228819 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to kh1485, 21, #1181 of 1470 🔗

I’ve not done a full report, my heads had so many ideas and things to think about.

It was very oppressive, so much so that I messaged in and explained how I was feeling – and thanks everyone – got a huge boost from many people here.

Most people unable to engage to the point that they can’t take a leaflet. Those that looked at it mostly did not want to get involved.

Tried stall holders in Borough Market and several took a few leaflets to put on the counter. Tried a line of taxi drivers ‘oh we can’t do anything, moan moan’ – but about 1/2 took a few leaflets for their passengers which is pretty encouraging.

Image seemed to be about the right level of challenge/humour – I was worried it would be too strong for them. That was Mabel Cow’s work.

It was good to leave them around. I’m averse to litter but should have left them on train seats. I could always have picked them up again before getting off. I put out just one and it disappeared without me even seeing who took it.

Met a group of 3 sceptics who took a big pile of my leaflets to distribute themselves. I was just trying to approach people, and when I could feel cheerful I did much better than when I was feeling cheerful.

Finally met a man who almost dismissed my offer of a leaflet, and then said ‘oh!’ and wanted to talk, and talk. So we did. Fully awake. Suggested he start a group of his own, suggested using WhatsApp. Lost many friends who are asleep.

Talked about Remembrance Sunday. Agreed to simply go along to the Cenotaph and stand at a distance and pay our respects that way.

Continue to recommend that people here club together in small groups in another forum, in order to work more efficiently and as backup.

228909 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Rosie, 2, #1182 of 1470 🔗

You did well Rosie. It will be easier next time because you’ll know what to do and what to avoid.

228917 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to Rosie, 2, #1183 of 1470 🔗

Huge, huge hugs and respect to you Rosie.

228960 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Now More Than Ever, 3, #1184 of 1470 🔗

Hear hear, you are a heroine.

228787 ▶▶▶▶ Paul, replying to kh1485, 6, #1185 of 1470 🔗

Good for him !.So he’s being hassled for ‘pre-crime’ so to speak,something he might do in the future ?,we really have ended up in the wrong reality haven’t we ?,how do we get back to the correct one ?.
I certainly couldn’t have kept my cool as he did.

228800 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Paul, 4, #1186 of 1470 🔗

I know, I would have lost it. But this is what we are facing. Going to have to summon up lots of courage in the weeks and months to come.

228871 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to kh1485, 3, #1187 of 1470 🔗

are you going to stay open? Keep strong 👊

228901 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to stefarm, 7, #1188 of 1470 🔗

For erm … takeaways …

Thanks, I think I am going to need all the strength I can muster.

228968 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to kh1485, 1, #1189 of 1470 🔗

We’re with you. Heart up.
One of our local pubs is doing takeaways ( remember this is Gulag Wales, already banged up). We drive there along a pretty coast road, collect gorgeous food, drive home salivating, and have a feast. Actually it’s better than eating in amidst the nappied ghouls. Silver lining eh?

228962 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Paul, 1, #1190 of 1470 🔗

Remember Minority Report ?

228843 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 1, #1191 of 1470 🔗

Is that the guy who runs a play area in Liverpool? There was one I saw on Twitter, he used the Magna Carta to fob off the police.

228892 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #1192 of 1470 🔗

He is not fobbing off the police, Magna Carter still applies today. All powers given to parliament are handed down from The Magna Carta.

Fantastic, we need more people like this.

228904 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #1193 of 1470 🔗

I think this was another one which is good news as the invoking of common law is becoming more widespread.

228782 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to kh1485, 2, #1194 of 1470 🔗


228845 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to kh1485, 3, #1195 of 1470 🔗

Fantastic! What a brilliant example to be setting.
He’d clearly studied his rights and he stuck politely to his script.

228868 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1196 of 1470 🔗

Fucking goons are completely dumb struck and cannot change their script, easily done with a costume covering their face.

228749 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 24, #1197 of 1470 🔗

Someone on twitter has posted a link from a news report that Sainsbury’s is set to axe 3,000 jobs.

You know its really bad when even supermarkets are having to make people redundant. However this doesn’t surprise me as the extended mask mandate was in effect their death warrant. This meant that people would rather have deliveries or click & collect and so no browsing, no impulse buying.

228761 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Bart Simpson, 30, #1198 of 1470 🔗

I’m getting to the point where I hope it all ends up a wasteland just so I can say ‘there you go thick cunts, how do you like those apples?’

228770 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Tom Blackburn, 10, #1199 of 1470 🔗

You don’t need to hope for this. It’s a done deal now that we have slipped back into full lockdown. Have some fun whilst you are rubbing the faces of the thick cunts in their own shit. Then steal their wallet.

228779 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Richard O, 3, #1200 of 1470 🔗

At least President Xi can see the funny side.

228830 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bumble, replying to OKUK, 7, #1201 of 1470 🔗

Given that our economy is based on selling cheap chinese crap, they won’t be laughing soon.

228848 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Bumble, 3, #1202 of 1470 🔗

That’s why the WHO is against lockdown, IMO

228938 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Draper233, replying to Bumble, 1, #1203 of 1470 🔗

But with the US and Europe in turmoil, China’s power increases. I think they’d happily take a hit on GDP for that.

228814 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Richard O, #1204 of 1470 🔗

What will be left in the wallet, by the time you get to steal it?

228822 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Ovis, 2, #1205 of 1470 🔗

Why of course, their used mask!

228796 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Tom Blackburn, 9, #1206 of 1470 🔗

Still baffled as to how some people can still believe that there’s a virus and this is all necessary.

228808 ▶▶▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #1207 of 1470 🔗

Yes. Especially after seven months of this less-than-pleasant, rather oppressive lifestyle. It’s like an abusive relationship. Maybe that’s why locky lovers are always so keen to defend it.

228847 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 3, #1208 of 1470 🔗

It’s like Stockholm Syndrome isn’t it?

228899 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #1209 of 1470 🔗

Ironically, I’m off to Stockholm tomorrow ha

228928 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 3, #1210 of 1470 🔗

Enjoy your trip. You’ll love it there.

228933 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #1211 of 1470 🔗

Thanks! I’m certainly in need of a break from this crap.

228946 ▶▶▶▶▶ Draper233, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 2, #1212 of 1470 🔗

I read a few comments on the Guardian website earlier and there were people arguing that the biggest problem with lockdowns is that don’t go far enough.

Somebody even used the fascist state of Victoria, AU, as a model for how they should work.

228978 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Draper233, 2, #1213 of 1470 🔗

Why would they not? Victoria was run by the Australian Labour Party – the direct equivalent there of the Guardian left here – intolerant authoritarian busybodies who feel good about their bullying state-enabled thuggery because it’s “for the cause” (even if the cause is just enforcing obedience to their team’s orders).

228837 ▶▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #1214 of 1470 🔗

Every day I ask that, can only think they’ve been brainwashed somehow, lots of people are easily.

228852 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #1215 of 1470 🔗

That’s possibly the only one answer that I can think of.although most days I do think that many people actually aren’t very bright in the first place.

228864 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1216 of 1470 🔗

No joy in saying “told you so” by that point.

228914 ▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1217 of 1470 🔗

And there will still be many who will insist it’s the fault of not enough poxy mask wearing. If trump is not potus it leaves him free to start his own tv news channel/ health charidable trust or grease his own WHO palms!

228803 ▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #1218 of 1470 🔗

Yes. I often wonder if the only reason that everyone else seems to be muzzled up in the supermarket when I go is that those that don’t want to/are exempt have simply been scared away and now simply get deliveries?

As someone who is exempt, I now get deliveries every week instead, although I still buy sandwiches from Tesco on the days when I’m in the office (I will ensure to keep this going, regardless of this bs lockdown).

228832 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 10, #1219 of 1470 🔗

I went at the beginning, unmasked, found it depressing, looking at the blank faces, now I do click and collect, actually find it better than trailing round looking for food. When I go walking and see proper faces, like today, in the sun, people smile and comment on the weather, its like we live in a civilised country again.

229072 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #1220 of 1470 🔗

Yes, it is depressing watching all those masked up zombies, they are little more than Pavlov dogs. I get one large order delivered weekly, but visit the usually heavily masked local supermarket two or three times a week for milk and bread etc I am always unmasked but never have any trouble. I was in that supermarket today and saw a young builder type at the checkout, no mask and very confident with it, great to see. Later as I made my way to the exit, another youngish bloke came in, as I was going out and no mask on him either. He said hello at rather unexpectedly seeing another unmasked human and I felt cheered up. But driving home, I passed an ancient couple struggling with heavy bags, and both fully masked up, though they were well away from the shopping area. My elated mood tanked and I cursed Johnson and the rest of his slimy gang. What utter bastards they are.

228873 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 6, #1221 of 1470 🔗

I think you’re right but funny enough over the past few days I’ve been seeing more staff and customers who are exempt. I suspect that many members of staff have developed conditions while being forced to be muzzled up for up to 8 hours and so have decided to claim exemption to be able to do their jobs properly.

229165 ▶▶▶ MsStroppster, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 1, #1222 of 1470 🔗

I refuse to wear a muzzle and don’t wear an exemption badge. If anyone dares to give me the evils they get my best fuck off you thick bastard stare. Which I am apparently very good at 😎

228812 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #1223 of 1470 🔗

Sainsbury’s have been ruthlessly replacing checkout staff with robots over several years, which is why I stopped shopping there.
If they can get everyone to shop online, the lack of implse buying will be more than compensated by the reduced staffing cost and, assuming the big stores close, the tremendous savings on rent, rates and utilities.

228846 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1224 of 1470 🔗

An issue I have with online food purchase is the delivery charge – what is it, £5 or something? My typical supermarket shopping is only in the range £10-£20 so a £5 charge would be a significant overhead. I have a fridge with an ice compartment but no freezer, and no space for one.

228859 ▶▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Edward, 3, #1225 of 1470 🔗

Most do free delivery over £40, I make mine up with things like jars, tins, packets/rice etc so its not a weekly thing

228861 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #1226 of 1470 🔗

also click and collect

228898 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Edward, 1, #1227 of 1470 🔗

Same for me. Hence the weekly shop at Aldi – though I do get my dairy from Abel&Cole – delivery only £1.50.

228954 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Edward, 1, #1228 of 1470 🔗

Click and Collect charge is £1.50 at Tesco’s. Worth every penny not to see the zombies.

228866 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #1229 of 1470 🔗

One thing I noticed is a lot of those self checkouts actually end up creating more problems than before. M&S is the worst offender of the lot.

I don’t really do deliveries because of the charges and some supermarkets as well are funny when it comes to for instance you can’t combine shopping for plants with your groceries. Yes, Waitrose I’m looking at you.

228958 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #1230 of 1470 🔗


229005 ▶▶▶ Lucky, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1231 of 1470 🔗

Yes. Why would any large supermarket chain have any interest in employing actual people?

228858 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #1232 of 1470 🔗

Agenda 30 in full flow, stuck indoors, learning, working, buying shopping, clothes online.

228902 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to stefarm, 1, #1233 of 1470 🔗

My internet’s been down for most of the day. How would that facilitate mandatory online shopping and WFH?

228932 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Cheezilla, #1234 of 1470 🔗

The ground work for agenda 30

228943 ▶▶ annie, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #1235 of 1470 🔗

Too right in my case. Click and Collect is a mighty mercy.
In fact, I now realise that I’ve always hated supermarkets and will never go into one again, even after Wancock and Co. have been hanged. So no more impulse buys for me, ever.

228763 Jenny, replying to Jenny, 1, #1236 of 1470 🔗

Can anyone help me with the wording of the new Department of Education guidance on muzzles?

The language I am concerned about reads as follows:

In schools where pupils in year 7 and above are educated, face coverings should be worn by adults and pupils when moving around the premises, outside of classrooms, such as in corridors and communal areas where social distancing cannot easily be maintained. This was already the case for pupils in year 7 and above, and staff and visitors for those schools that were in areas where local alert level ‘high’ and ‘very high’.

This seems to state that in schools where Year 7 and above “are educated,” muzzles should be worn by “adults and pupils.” Thus, the requirement seems to be a fixed one for all adults and pupils based on whether the school educates pupils in Year 7 and above. My son’s school runs from Year 3-Year 8. Some prep schools even run from Reception – Year 8. Other schools run from Year 2/4-Year 13. Are they suggesting that ALL pupils in such schools wear muzzles outside classrooms? There is nothing in the above which limits the muzzling requirement to Year 7 and above in schools where there are some pupils younger than Year 7. Is that what is intended here?? Or is this just poor drafting and, although it is appalling enough, the idea is to muzzle Year 7 and above only?

228789 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Jenny, 1, #1237 of 1470 🔗

I’d suspect it is poor drafting, given that the original rule was for ‘secondary schools’. Some secondary schools are for pupils from year 9 upwards; some from year 7.

If I remember rightly masks are required in shops for age 11 up? So this would match with that..

229055 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Carrie, #1238 of 1470 🔗

No child up to the age of 18 should be forced to wear a muzzle. After that, I suppose they can make up their own minds. If mine were that age, I’d make damn sure they knew all the facts about the absence of any kind of risk to them. I’m sure most of them don’t know, which is why it seems to be that more youngsters are wearing them out in the good fresh air. I could weep for their ignorance.

We know that children do not spread it, and there is no case of a child ever having passed it on to a teacher – anywhere in the world, apparently.

This is coercive madness. Just softening up the young so their thraldom is easier to manage eventually.

228834 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Jenny, 2, #1239 of 1470 🔗

My school has been muzzling students (and staff) in communal areas and corridors since September – although they allow (but don’t advertise well) exemptions – those exempt (such as myself) are invited wear a red wristband.

Students and staff in schools should be able to claim exemption in line with the legislation elsewhere (in fact, I think that the mask edict for schools is only advisory, not mandatory, but then headteachers can set whatever rules they want).

See : https://nomasks.info/ for more information

228891 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ozzie, 3, #1240 of 1470 🔗

Red wristband? Why not a yellow star?

228927 ▶▶▶▶ JuttaW, replying to Cheezilla, #1241 of 1470 🔗

I wrote the same question, but discarded it….. yes I’ve often thought of that.

228947 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Jenny, 1, #1242 of 1470 🔗

Ask them if they have done a full risk assessment covering the safety/potential dangers of wearing masks. They have a duty of care to staff and pupils in this respect. Pretty much guarantee they won’t have done one which means they are neglecting that duty of care, which is against health and safety law.

229135 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Jenny, #1243 of 1470 🔗

Ask the head teacher for the Risk Assessment. If they have not assessed the risk from masks – even if it is just an anxiety risk, then you can ask why that is not being considered and then it opens up more debate about the wider harms. Also, worth nothing that the guidance is not as it first appears. The key part “where social distancing cannot easily be maintained” why can’t social distance be easy to maintain ? If it can. There is no need for a mask. That’s the fair and open challenge. It all depends how much you want to push it. But it is a house of cards.

228774 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 14, #1244 of 1470 🔗

Really pleased to see the Yeadon response and rebuttal. A very good explanation of how current deaths are breaking down . If Yeadon is right, we won’t see any huge spike in respiratory deaths above the 5 year average. Whether Lockdown “stress deaths” will continue to rise remains to be seen. The dishonesty of Whitty in Committee claiming all – yes all – Lockdown stress deaths as Covid-related was breathtaking.

228786 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to OKUK, 9, #1245 of 1470 🔗

They don’t seem to care now, hardly any of Parliament care.

228802 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #1246 of 1470 🔗

They’re either callous or thick.

Here’s my MP’s response to my request for him to vote against mockdown:

Thank you for your email and again giving me your views. I will be voting in favour of a 28 day lockdown today as I believe it is a necessary step to protect the NHS and the economy in the long-term.

228813 ▶▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Cheezilla, 10, #1247 of 1470 🔗

My Mp was one of the ones who voted against but I am shocked at the number who voted with. How do they think it will protect the economy?? The NHS can collapse for all I care now, when the sheep were out clapping for them I made a point of getting the bin in.

228910 ▶▶▶▶▶ James007, replying to Dan Clarke, 8, #1248 of 1470 🔗

It is weird how NHS winter crisis of the past (where operations and treatments were cancelled, with huge excess deaths) didn’t require a fraction of the measures we’ve seen today.
And yet today’s measures were based on scientific guesswork suggesting that we MIGHT see a crisis in the NHS.
I really hope the Conservative party is destroyed by this.

228935 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to James007, 4, #1249 of 1470 🔗

As a ‘conservative’ party, it has destroyed itself already.
It us now the Wreckers’ Party.
What does that make Labour?
The New Stalinists, if Wakes’s odious Dungford is anything to go by.

228995 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to James007, 3, #1250 of 1470 🔗

Here in Northern Ireland electives are being cancelled and lockdown, expected to end next week, will be extended after much emotional blackmail over the coming days.

Electives cancelled

Lockdown zealot from the BMC gagging for more lockdown

Notice that in that hospital cancelling electives they have 500 staff off isolating. Mad stuff.

I’d love a local academic of the Carl Henegen mould to be calling the local authority here to account on the numbers, but it’s so compliant across the board.

228967 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lucky, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #1251 of 1470 🔗

Yeh. Nice for the NHS to collapse when I’ve paid into it for 48 years and wouldn’t be able to afford private – if that even exists now. Maybe I’ll just die quietly at home alone like thousands of other are doing these days

229161 ▶▶▶▶▶ MsStroppster, replying to Dan Clarke, #1252 of 1470 🔗

The NHS isn’t fit for purpose. A model set up in 1946 needs consigning to the bin. It will collapse when there’s no money to pay for it.

228818 ▶▶▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1253 of 1470 🔗

… or immoral.

228888 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ozzie, 1, #1254 of 1470 🔗

All of the above!

228893 ▶▶▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to Cheezilla, #1255 of 1470 🔗

I got a little more from the same MP.

“None of us want to be in these restrictions but the sad facts are that cases, hospitalisations and sadly deaths are rising in our area. I’ve had an update from the [Local Hospital 1] Chief Exec and there are currently 111 Covid patients in [Local Hospital 1] or [Local Hospital 2] taking up beds which can’t now be used for other seriously ill patients and there have sadly been 45 Covid deaths in October here and 3 already this month. In our constituency we had 352 Covid cases in the last week up from 207 the week before. There will be more non-Covid deaths if we do not get the infections down.“

228977 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lucky, replying to Now More Than Ever, 1, #1256 of 1470 🔗

Mine voted for it “with a heavy heart”…

228979 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lydia, replying to Lucky, 1, #1257 of 1470 🔗

So did mine!

228981 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Lucky, 2, #1258 of 1470 🔗

Don’t tell me. Because he’s a fucking crawling cowardly worm with no principles.

229016 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Lucky, 2, #1259 of 1470 🔗

and £100k in his pocket!

229026 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Lucky, 1, #1260 of 1470 🔗

You can bet your bottom dollar that this ”heavy heart” wouldn’t prevent him from finding a way to be with a family member in extremis. He’d be there quicker’n a rat up a drainpipe.

229163 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Lucky, #1261 of 1470 🔗

I am sure most executioners have a ‘heavy heart ‘, but doesn’t soften the result of the executed.

229015 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Now More Than Ever, 1, #1262 of 1470 🔗

He cut and pasted that one to me over the weekend!

229022 ▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Now More Than Ever, 2, #1263 of 1470 🔗

Do they know they’re lying or is it that they don’t actually CARE?
Of course they’re not ”covid deaths” – and they know it.

228896 ▶▶▶▶ Draper233, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #1264 of 1470 🔗

You should play him at his own game.

If “protecting the NHS” was the objective back in March, ask him why 8 months later we’re back to square one.

And i’d love to hear his logic in how a 28-day lockdown is a necessary step to benefit the economy in the long term. I’d have to strap myself fully in before hearing that though.

228913 ▶▶▶▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to Draper233, 4, #1265 of 1470 🔗

This is the same MP who less than a week ago was passionately arguing why our local authority should not go into Tier 3. Now totally fine with entering what is effectively a Tier 4.

228983 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lydia, replying to Now More Than Ever, 2, #1266 of 1470 🔗

Mine was arguing why our area shouldn’t go into tier 3 a week ago but is fine with lockdown. Same old BS from them all.

229027 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Now More Than Ever, 2, #1267 of 1470 🔗

Ah but we must save the National Covid-only Service

229025 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Draper233, 1, #1268 of 1470 🔗

Oh don’t worry. I was formulating the letter this morning before my internet went down. He hasn’t heard the last from me!

If you write to your MP it’s important to be polite and to ask a question or two. At least you can tell if they’ve bothered to read all your message, or just done the etheric equeivalent of chucking you in the bin.

I just keep drip drip dripping away with info for mine. Sigh!

229164 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Draper233, #1269 of 1470 🔗

I told my MP, that any reply needed to argue with solid facts and no reference to emotional discourse linked to the NHS. Needless to say, no reply.

228984 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1270 of 1470 🔗


229032 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to annie, #1271 of 1470 🔗

I’m going to ask him how he thinks mockdown will achieve that.

229006 ▶▶ Coronamoana, replying to OKUK, 1, #1272 of 1470 🔗

I wrote to my MP. Surprisingly, he did respond: he wasn’t minded to vote for lockdown. I see tonight he abstained – better than voting for it, I guess.

229007 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Eddy, 1, #1274 of 1470 🔗

I’ve no doubt that the Others thought they’d wait and see how well Mr T was doing, and if it looked bad for them they planned to unleash whatever it is they’ve now unleashed. They were going to make sure they won – by any means, fair or foul.

228792 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 4, #1275 of 1470 🔗

COVID-19(84) IN 2021 WITH BIDEN? OR COVID-19(84) IN 2021 WITH TRUMP? HERE’S WHAT TO EXPECT!!! https://www.bitchute.com/video/1FvxTXVSfk6S/

Interesting Press for Truth video. Waste of time watching the mainstream coverage – they avoid too many important topics.

228975 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Darryl, #1276 of 1470 🔗

Very good.

228794 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 22, #1277 of 1470 🔗

Internet down all day, so only just catching up.

Weekly trip to Aldi tonight, all as normal. Very quiet – it was 7.30pm. No sign of gloop or spray by the door, no doorman in sight. Covid message now played very quietly and I only heard it once while I was there.

Member of staff on shopfloor was previously muzzled but tonight muzzle-free. Yay!
Small handful of customers all muzzled except me and one man with whom I ended up doing an “after you” trolley dance at the end of an aisle.

There’s been a traffic light decal on the door for a couple of weeks now but I can’t see how it will operate. My friend said her local Tesco Express already has actual read and green lights!

Lots of Aldi customers pay with cash. Also Aldi don’t have an online food ordering facility, so I’m sure they will be very loath to alienate customers by making them queue outside in the wind and rain. Watch this space!

228870 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Cheezilla, 8, #1278 of 1470 🔗

Aldi and Lidl have generally been good. In the first lockdown they controlled the numbers of customers entering but soon stopped doing that, at least at the times I was there.

228795 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 37, #1279 of 1470 🔗

Its unbelievable that the deaths of under 70’s are so low and yet the government is hardly being challenged, that business is willingly going bankrupt with a fight, that people are muzzled when the majority know no one who has had covid or anyone who has been in hospital with covid. Its mind blowing that people are just resisting politely

228942 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Dan Clarke, 5, #1280 of 1470 🔗

There’s no resistance in them. But talk to them and they don’t want this. They know its not right and they are being had. But they simply are losing the will.

229002 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #1281 of 1470 🔗

And people are afraid of the fines that may be levied. Most couldn’t afford them. I think the will is there to get back to normality (again for most) but the fear of penalty is crushing people.

229042 ▶▶▶▶ JuttaW, replying to Banjones, 1, #1282 of 1470 🔗

I don’t know how it is in GB, but in Germany a lawyer gave the following advise. If you get a fine for ex. for not wearing a mask on the train, you give name and address and wait for the letter to arrive (don’t pay directly). You’ll not receive a letter, because all these measures where taken ad hoc by gvt. they are NOT LAW.

228811 Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 23, #1283 of 1470 🔗

Just walked back from work through the St Clement’s area of Oxford – the bars and restaurants are rammed – haven’t seen it so busy for ages and had to remind myself it is only Wednesday evening. Walked through the park (in the dark) – lots of partying going on there as well. Depressing that tomorrow evening it will be like a ghost town.

228821 ▶▶ Paul, replying to Ozzie, 5, #1284 of 1470 🔗

Around here it seemed like New Year’s Eve.

228839 ▶▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Paul, 5, #1285 of 1470 🔗

Yes – same here, that’s what it reminds me of, particularly with the fireworks.

228897 ▶▶ annie, replying to Ozzie, 5, #1286 of 1470 🔗

If it is like a ghost town, it won’t be because everybody is scared of Covvie.

228915 ▶▶▶ Ozzie, replying to annie, 1, #1287 of 1470 🔗

Exactly – there just won’t be anything to do. Who knows how many of these businesses will survive the latest idiocy.

228999 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Ozzie, 8, #1288 of 1470 🔗

I feel so sorry for these business owners. They’ve spent a fortune and bent over backwards to accommodate the barking mad ”rules” only to have it all thrown back in their faces. They might just have struggled through to Christmas if they’d been left alone – but now?
Yet we all know deaths/illnesses will remain the same – but the figures will be massaged and manipulated to make it look as though this has ”worked”.
The coercion and cheating by our government is truly appalling.

228817 Paul, replying to Paul, 11, #1289 of 1470 🔗

I’ve had a few emails from national retail chains saying there shops are closing temporarily from today but I notice they don’t give a re-opening date,probably already been told what we are all expecting.

228855 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Paul, 9, #1290 of 1470 🔗

The executives will have been tipped off (and probably paid off to keep quiet) that their shops are never reopening. It’s so obvious.

229019 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Richard O, 2, #1291 of 1470 🔗

Yes, Peter Hitchens explains that they’ve spent already 320 billion to convert us to a Marxist state. shops masking and closing, of course the guys at the top have had their share of that.

228867 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Paul, 5, #1292 of 1470 🔗

My worry is that during the lockdown they will convert the shops into flats for all the migrants currently housed in hotels…

228926 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Paul, #1293 of 1470 🔗

Emails I’ve gotten from museums & restaurants do have reopening dates but put a disclaimer that its subject to change.

228934 ▶▶ VickyA, replying to Paul, 1, #1294 of 1470 🔗

Probably bitter experience after the last “3 week” lockdown

228937 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Paul, 3, #1295 of 1470 🔗

This nightclub has been in business for 30 years in Northern Ireland. Closed today.

228831 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 23, #1296 of 1470 🔗

And to end the day on a high: Sainsbury’s announce 3,000 jobs to go.
MP’S of all parties; go to hell.

228851 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Fingerache Philip., 12, #1297 of 1470 🔗

Mind you, Sainsbury’s have gone very woke over the last few months – especially their recent comment about diversity (and their multi-coloured logo). Still this is tough with another 3000 in the dole queue.

228921 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #1298 of 1470 🔗

I thought that supermarkets would be relatively unscathed by all of this. I really feel for those losing their jobs though.

228955 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #1299 of 1470 🔗

I can’t understand why MSM aren’t all over the jobless figures. They always were in the past with banner headlines publishing a day by day running total once the jobless hit a million.

229100 ▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to bluemoon, 1, #1300 of 1470 🔗

Because then they would actually have to admit that lockdown and the restrictions etc. are harmful.

228856 Rosie, 9, #1301 of 1470 🔗

E M Forster, 1934

There is fascism , leading only into the blackness which it has chosen as its symbol , into smartness and yapping out of orders, and self-righteous brutality, into social as well as international war . It means change without hope . Our immediate duty is to stop it.

228860 DRW, replying to DRW, 16, #1302 of 1470 🔗

What a thoroughly depressing day.

228895 ▶▶ James007, replying to DRW, 7, #1303 of 1470 🔗

Absolutely. Any recommended coping strategies?

I find myself up in the early hours researching places to emigrate to. Not necessarily because there is an ideal place to go to, but because the things I thought I liked about this country are either gone or were illusions. Various barriers and impediments (family related). If I was single I would have gone by now

228930 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to James007, 2, #1304 of 1470 🔗

The US looks good in certain states. Log cabin, local militia, rootin rootin moonshine all day. No masks.

229024 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to James007, #1305 of 1470 🔗

Activism. Helps you sleep at night.

229158 ▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to James007, #1306 of 1470 🔗

Me too. Encouraged husband to stay in the Middle East, I still have my residency permit, lesser of the two evils. Funny how what was considered once an authoritarian country, is now being kept on the warmer as a refuge. Thought of selling up and buying a boat, but then no vaccine no food.

228862 JHuntz, 4, #1307 of 1470 🔗
228876 Old Normal, replying to Old Normal, 14, #1308 of 1470 🔗

Where I am we have non-statutory guidance to wear a mask in the school playground. I’m obviously not bothering but it’s amazing to see people doing it only to then take them off at the gate and chat in large groups with no distancing at all a few feet from where they just were.

228918 ▶▶ annie, replying to Old Normal, 2, #1309 of 1470 🔗

I don’t think they give it a thought (if ‘thought’ is ever what goes on in the grey slime inside their heads). Same when they come out of a shop: take off nappy, stuff in pocket. They’ve completely forgotten that there was supposed to be a reason for the nappy. It’s just something you do.

228931 ▶▶▶ Ozzie, replying to annie, 1, #1310 of 1470 🔗

However, at least they are taking the (filthy!) things off – there is still a link to normality. At my workplace ( a school) there are too many teachers and other staff walking around outside with the things on (can’t be bothered removing it and putting it back on perhaps?)

229157 ▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Old Normal, #1311 of 1470 🔗

But while people do this, rather than refuse, they give validity to the whole narrative. Weak people will not have the guts to rebel unless they see other ‘stronger ‘types pushing back.

228883 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #1312 of 1470 🔗

Here’s the November overview from my Vedic astrologer friend.

….. Please do be aware of Venus’ debilitation for the first 16 days of November. Make a special effort to keep love alive. Make a special effort to keep beauty and harmony alive.
In November, Mars’ debilitation ensures that there will be quite a measure of violence and frustration, both in our personal consciousnesses and also at the level of our societies. This brings so much irritation, at this time that the Dark and the Shadow are rising in the form of Pluto. Many will get sucked into the super-strong and strengthening Negative, now. But this is actually a call to embrace the Light, which many are doing now. ……

I know many of you are sceptical but Vedic Astrology has been tried and proven over literally thousands of years and is much more scientific and accurate than anything coming out of Sage.

There’s also a very detailed version here: https://blog.starwheelastrology.com/november-astrology-detailed-time-table/

228890 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #1313 of 1470 🔗

Just feels like an endless black hole to me.

228991 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to DRW, 4, #1314 of 1470 🔗

We’ve a rough ride ahead. The advice to focus on the Light and keep beauty and love in your life is not as flaky as it might sound. We certainly must not sink into that black hole but must nurture our humanity with all our might.

229065 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Cheezilla, #1315 of 1470 🔗

I won’t last three years of this. Probably a good thing too.

228894 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1316 of 1470 🔗

Thank you Cheezilla x

228900 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1317 of 1470 🔗

At the moment any kind of alternative perspective is appreciated.

There are significant (and not so occult these days) ritual elements of the war being waged against us, and many high level elitists are very much into this kind of thing.

228923 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Richard O, 1, #1318 of 1470 🔗

Having said that, this was not a great start:

The truth is we are in for a dark period from now to 2023 and beyond.

Still, better than cheesy “love and light” bullshit.

228925 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Richard O, #1319 of 1470 🔗

Sounds like fun, more than lockdown anyway. You get me in Richard?

228929 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1320 of 1470 🔗

It’s a big club, but I ain’t in it.

228993 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Richard O, 3, #1321 of 1470 🔗

The Nazis used astrology a lot.

229028 ▶▶▶▶ JuttaW, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1322 of 1470 🔗

yes and look what happened ;o))

229140 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to JuttaW, #1323 of 1470 🔗

Yep – they won…according to the astrologists.

228936 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1324 of 1470 🔗

Each to their own.,

229001 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to OKUK, #1325 of 1470 🔗

The Jyotishers saw this coming last year. They saw a virus that would affect health, travel and the economy. However, they assumed it would be a computer virus ….

228884 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 29, #1326 of 1470 🔗

I’m thinking the population has been brainwashed subliminaly by the nanny state, the soaps who say at the end, ‘if you have experienced ….. ring this number, the reality shows where they believe they are real and that other people do the living, not them. The sheep have no critical thoughts at all, they believe what they are told, they do what they are told, they want to believe someone is caring for them. They are immature beings.

228945 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Dan Clarke, 8, #1327 of 1470 🔗

Infantilisation, medicalisation and welfare dependency have all contributed to the mess.

228939 John P, replying to John P, 19, #1328 of 1470 🔗

E-mail to my MP this evening:

“I have sent you material showing conclusively that lockdown is not necessary and will be harmful. You have ignored my e-mails.

You are a cowardly and weak man and I shall campaign to see you removed as representative of this constituency at the next election.

I may well not succeed against the might of the Labour Party, but Goliath, it is my aim to be your David.”

228990 ▶▶ annie, replying to John P, 4, #1329 of 1470 🔗

Like it.
All power to David!

229030 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to John P, 3, #1330 of 1470 🔗

Good on you. A focus to your campaign and driven by your righteous fury. Brill. Hope you succeed.

228944 Old Normal, replying to Old Normal, 7, #1331 of 1470 🔗

Can anyone help with this question?

If masks are effective then why are there so many hospital and care home acquired infections happening across the world?

228952 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Old Normal, 11, #1332 of 1470 🔗

They are effective – at spreading infections.

228953 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Old Normal, 5, #1333 of 1470 🔗

Here wouldn’t be the best place to find someone who could answer that (with a straight face).

228964 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Old Normal, 9, #1334 of 1470 🔗

It’s because we aren’t forced to wear goggles as well, covids go for the eyes. Everybody knows this. Its basic virus science 101.

228957 theanalyst, 14, #1335 of 1470 🔗

My Summary of the Day

Team in the office are happy – we will all carry on working in the office. Working from home was less effective. We all agree.

Many small businesses are doing the same.

Was second in the queue for a Turkish haircut at 8.55. Last cut for 4 weeks. Gave him a small tip.

Enjoyed a good work team meal (probably the Xmas dinner) at Prezzos.

Lovely waitress brought me to tears with her pleas for a good review as they were too empty last month. She is scared. She is in furlough again tomorrow but terrified she wont come back. Probably has dependents. Ex commuters lie when they say they spend locally when not in London. They do not..they just save money instead. They love it.

Boris continues to be a cunt. MPs continue to be useless.

Sorry but commuter town people are today very masky. Have been observing this whilst gazing at the people walking past Prezzos for the last couple of months. The problem is not going away.

Biden seems to be winning but Trump did not stop all the covid masky nastiness so maybe its not a bad thing.

The family are however doing great…..we have all adjusted to this crap.Mum is coming for Xmas.

228980 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #1337 of 1470 🔗

Wow. £800 per month is more than I get now. Hope they win – and for other more noble reasons too of course.

228989 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Cheezilla, #1338 of 1470 🔗

It’s only a hypothetical, Cheez, as far as I could see. no one actually bringing such a case just yet.

229040 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #1339 of 1470 🔗

Knives are certainly being sharpened.

229043 ▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1340 of 1470 🔗

Yes, great, isn’t it?!

228972 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1341 of 1470 🔗

I don’t believe in coincidences, prefer Jung’s notion of synchronicities.

Got in the car tonight to go to the bottle bank (blushworthy!) and do the weekly forage. The track that came on was Kaleo – I can’t go on without you
Very apt!
It was followed by Donna DeLory singing Om Namah Shivaya. Equally apt.
Then on to George Harrison, Vatican Blues

Driving home, it chose Looking for my Life from Harrison’s Brainwashed .

Had no idea that I was heading
Toward a state of emergency
I had no fear where I was treading
I only found it out when I was down upon my knees
Looking for my life
Caught up on me with intensity
Had no idea where I was heading
I only found it out when I was down upon my knees
Looking for my life, looking for my life

As I said, I dont believe in coincidences.

We don’t want that
We don’t want that
We don’t want that
Oh no
We don’t want that
We don’t want that
We don’t want that
Oh no

228992 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cheezilla, #1342 of 1470 🔗

Got in the car tonight to go to the bottle bank (blushworthy!)”
🙂 cheesy

229034 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Two-Six, #1343 of 1470 🔗


229047 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1344 of 1470 🔗

I heard a Beecham’s “cold and flu” pill advert on Planet Rock earlier, it went something along the lines of…

“Britain! You’re not a bunch of wussies that take a day off of work if you have a sniffle! You plough through after taking Beecham’s Cold & Flu, the true saviour of the economy”

Obvs wasn’t those exact words, I’ve been trying to find it online, but can’t.

My ironyometer exploded.

229062 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to captainbeefheart, 5, #1345 of 1470 🔗

There was one in the early 1990s. Can’t remember the product but the message was don’t stay home with flu. Power through, win the contract and give the lurgy to everyone else in the office while you’re at it!

229087 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #1346 of 1470 🔗

Remember the Tunes advert?
with that bloke obviously suffering with the cold from hell buying his train ticket at a nasty ticket office in a train station? He says
“A second class return to Nottingham please”
Through a scarf round his face, his red runny nose poking out over the top, with his red bleary tired eyes looking mournful at the camera..
The ticket guy says

Tunes help you go to work when you minging with lurgy….
Ahhhh those were the days.

229082 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1347 of 1470 🔗

do the weekly forage

( Magic ) Mushrooms? 😉

229150 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ceriain, #1348 of 1470 🔗

Not yet!

228976 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 2, #1349 of 1470 🔗


Impaired spermatogenesis in COVID-19 patient

“In conclusion, altogether, these findings indicate that the male reproductive system could be vulnerable in COVID-19, as demonstrated by spermatogenic dysfunction with a significant decrease in sperm counts in COVID-19 patients, along with immune response in testis and epididymis. This implies to attach importance of applying further care in reproductive health in men infected with COVID-19.”

228982 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1350 of 1470 🔗

Excellent this makes the covids even more scary. Never mind long covid or even death from “IT”, it will make you guys fire blanks!

229073 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1351 of 1470 🔗

Yeah, but the vaccine will that, surely. 😉

229085 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1352 of 1470 🔗


229093 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Two-Six, #1353 of 1470 🔗

Sorry, wasn’t thinking. 😉

228994 ▶▶ theanalyst, replying to swedenborg, 7, #1354 of 1470 🔗

When I studied A and S Level Biology at 18 (30 years ago) Page 1 of the impact of illness on males it always said the reproductive system suffered too. Sperm count decreases with illness.

I fucking hate the way so called scientific journals like The Lancet present this a news and exclusive to COVID-19.

229020 ▶▶▶ JuttaW, replying to theanalyst, 3, #1355 of 1470 🔗

alone fever can have an impact

229134 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to theanalyst, #1356 of 1470 🔗

Er yep…it’s kind of like what the Daily Star is to lunar surface studies.

228997 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to swedenborg, #1357 of 1470 🔗

I remember a story in the South China Morning Post back in March about reduced sperm counts in male patients after contracting Covid-19 that Chinese doctors needed to conduct further studies on.

229008 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to swedenborg, 8, #1358 of 1470 🔗

Age range of covid patients was 51 to 83 and six of them were already dead. I’ve nothing against older dads, but seriously?

229070 ▶▶▶ Eddy, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #1359 of 1470 🔗

First time I’ve laughed today cheers.

229078 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to swedenborg, 8, #1360 of 1470 🔗

In the second part of this study, a total of 23 Male COVID-19 inpatients and 22 age-matched healthy participants as controls were eligible for enrollment in this study according to our eligibility criteria described in the Methods and provided semen samples .

Bunch of wankers! 😉

229130 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1361 of 1470 🔗

…after being provided with pictures of Priti Patel discussing a “Covid crackdown” with Cressida Dick. Their sperm count was astonishingly low.

229098 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1362 of 1470 🔗

Who’d want to bring a kid into this crazy world anyway?

229126 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to swedenborg, #1363 of 1470 🔗

Er…so no different from flu…next!!

228987 JuttaW, replying to JuttaW, 5, #1364 of 1470 🔗

actually I’ve been wondering about all your famous people? Where are they? Ex-Beatles, Rolling Stones, Pink Floyd, all the well known actors singers.
I’ve some friends in the music business, of course freelance. They have no jobs.

229009 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to JuttaW, 7, #1365 of 1470 🔗

They are all to smug and comfortable, now and have a dim and distant memory of being anti – establishment.

229013 ▶▶▶ JuttaW, replying to David Grimbleby, 3, #1366 of 1470 🔗

what a disgrace, not even one of them speaking somewhere?

229039 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to JuttaW, 7, #1367 of 1470 🔗

Prince Charles has been doing a lot of talking recently. About the Great Reset. He is not on our side.

229052 ▶▶▶▶▶ JuttaW, replying to Richard O, 1, #1368 of 1470 🔗

ok, question void concerning him ;o)

229053 ▶▶▶▶▶ JuttaW, replying to Richard O, 1, #1369 of 1470 🔗

that is really terrible and I really mean it.

229120 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Richard O, #1370 of 1470 🔗

Ah yes, ghe Great Reset…I suggested he set an example by making all his Duchy of Cornwall tenant farmers freeholders but so far he hasn’t taken up my suggestion for some reason. 🙂

229129 ▶▶▶▶ Lucky, replying to JuttaW, 1, #1371 of 1470 🔗

All horribly silent. Only know of Van Morrison (Irish) speaking out and writing songs about it

229132 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lucky, replying to Lucky, #1372 of 1470 🔗
229017 ▶▶▶ JuttaW, replying to David Grimbleby, 1, #1373 of 1470 🔗

and your royal family? That is a national emergency and they say nothing?

229033 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to JuttaW, #1374 of 1470 🔗

It is a German bloodline. Saxe-Coburg-Gotha.

229050 ▶▶▶▶▶ JuttaW, replying to Richard O, 2, #1375 of 1470 🔗

that’s not important, they are your heads of state!
Well prince Charles is member of the club at Davos, so he would’t say anything.

229123 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Richard O, #1376 of 1470 🔗

Who is Harold’s legitimate successor under Anglo Saxon law? Well have them.

229125 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to OKUK, 1, #1377 of 1470 🔗

Exactly. The “Windsors” are from a long bloodline of usurpers and impostors. Can’t stand them.

King “Great Reset” Charles III would be the icing on the shit cake.

229035 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to JuttaW, 5, #1378 of 1470 🔗

Agree, barring Ian brown, van Morrison and right said Fred absolutely no protest songs. 40 years ago punk was the sound of young people rebelling. Absolutely nothing now, the sound of silence is deafening

229041 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to stefarm, 1, #1379 of 1470 🔗

Music has been banned.

229046 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Richard O, 1, #1380 of 1470 🔗

Yes, I fear you are right, all the more reason to rebel. The fear of being cancelled!

229057 ▶▶▶ Draper233, replying to stefarm, 4, #1381 of 1470 🔗

I think Noel Gallagher has been refusing to mask up

229081 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Draper233, 2, #1382 of 1470 🔗

He has which is good but he needs to be imo shouting louder and trying to save the arts

229058 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to JuttaW, #1383 of 1470 🔗

The Rolling Stones knocked out “ Living In A Ghost Town” pretty quickly.

Then again, Jagger is allegedly on some interesting lists, so not sure what to make of some of these people any more…


229084 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to captainbeefheart, 4, #1384 of 1470 🔗

Hmm, I can’t help thinking that the infamous black book has a lot to do with this shit show.

229136 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to captainbeefheart, #1385 of 1470 🔗

Jeffrey’s list included Toby! He’s written about it…he never spoke to the guy so has no idea why he’s on there. Epstein was one of those networkers who collected numbers because they could be useful in the future.

228996 Coronamoana, replying to Coronamoana, 14, #1386 of 1470 🔗

Lovely birthday evening out in a local Italian independent restaurant (my birthday is mid December but we celebrated that, together with Christmas, New Year’s Eve and Valentine’s Day to be on the safe side). Staff apologised for having to ask us about masks. Restaurant was packed to bursting and there was a real party atmosphere with strangers chatting to each other, including an 80 year old who is fed up with putting her life on hold. I get the feeling people are becoming very sceptical. We were all trying to pay and get out of the door at 10pm – madness!

229010 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Coronamoana, 6, #1387 of 1470 🔗

…my birthday is mid December but we celebrated that, together with Christmas, New Year’s Eve and Valentine’s Day to be on the safe side

I suspect there will have been quite a bit of that going on tonight.

228998 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 10, #1388 of 1470 🔗

For my friend, CGL :

As expected, the 492 reported deaths is made up from deaths from other days. Actual date of death of those who ‘tragiclidied’ (for Annie 😉 ):

21/10/2020     5
22/10/2020     0
23/10/2020     13
24/10/2020     1
25/10/2020     9
26/10/2020     4
27/10/2020     13
28/10/2020     21
29/10/2020     21
30/10/2020     46
31/10/2020     57
01/11/2020     83
02/11/2020     147
03/11/2020     71

Usual caveat, of course: they did not necessarily die OF Covid-19; they died within 28 days of a positive PCR test.

7-day Deaths (by reported date) average: 295

7-day Deaths (by death date, and allowing a 5 day catch up) average: 250 (approx)

229142 ▶▶ MsStroppster, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1389 of 1470 🔗

It’s amazing how the stats are reported, it changes daily. One day, deaths in England , next day, deaths in UK, then deaths in UK today where Covid was mentioned on death certificate, then deaths in England from all causes where the person tested positive within the last 28 days..and so it goes on. All people hear is the headline number, so if the number is 900+ over the last 7 days where Covid was mentioned, that’s what the great thick British public will hear. Talk about misuse of statistics and cynical manipulation by mainstream media.

229000 annie, replying to annie, 8, #1390 of 1470 🔗

A consoling message from the DM:

“The vulnerable won’t have to protect themselves from members of their own household.”

Oh goody.

229004 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to annie, 7, #1391 of 1470 🔗

That makes me feel so much better.

I’m sure all those with an abusive partner will be glad Matt is thinking of them. 🙁

229014 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 19, #1392 of 1470 🔗

First they spied on his campaign and I did not speak out.
Then they tried to prevent his Inauguration but I did not speak out.
Next they tried to remove him under the 25th Amendment but I did not speak out.
Then they used Antifa to attack his supporters and maim them but I did not speak out.
People called for his assassination and a young man from the UK tried to kill him but I did not speak out.
Then they launched a bogus Impeachment but I did not speak out.
They used Fake Polls to create a fake narrative that Trump was ten points behind. Still I did not speak out.
Then the tech billionaires started censoring him and his supporters. I did not speak out
In the last weeks, the media prevented all mention of proven, evidenced Biden family corruption . I did not speak out.

Actually, I did speak out! But most people didn’t.

229038 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to OKUK, 8, #1393 of 1470 🔗

I didn’t speak out because he’s a complete tosser.

I still hope he wins though – that’s how bad things have got.

229045 ▶▶▶ JuttaW, replying to Tee Ell, 4, #1394 of 1470 🔗

at least he is a politician who can’t be bought

229054 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Tee Ell, 11, #1395 of 1470 🔗

It’s not about whether you like him or not. It’s a question of whether the CIA-DOJ-FBI should be activists on the political scene and plot the downfall of politicians they don’t like, whether the MSM and tech billionaires should act as censors during election campaigns, and whether important constitutional procedures should be used in a nakedly political manner.

229092 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Tee Ell, 2, #1396 of 1470 🔗

First they came for the “tossers”….

(You know how the rest goes.)

229144 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Tee Ell, #1397 of 1470 🔗

Hanging by a thread.

229146 ▶▶▶▶ MsStroppster, replying to Ovis, 1, #1398 of 1470 🔗

I’m bloody hanging by a thread let alone him

229068 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to OKUK, 3, #1399 of 1470 🔗

In the last weeks, the media prevented all mention of proven, evidenced Biden family corruption.

And now, they, and Biden’s own people, will about face, and use the above, to remove him and replace him with Harris.

229096 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1400 of 1470 🔗

In fairness, I doubt this, simply because there’s no need. It’ll be much cleaner and safer for them to just remove him on grounds of senility. That was argued to be the Democrats’ plan all along, some months back.

229104 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Mark, 1, #1401 of 1470 🔗

Actually, I agree, Mark; I think that is the real plan.

229114 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Mark, 2, #1402 of 1470 🔗

Yep that is deffo the plan…choreography still to be worked out with the media. They’ll need a decent interval – so maybe Autumn 2021?

How the eff are they going to manage the Inaugural address? Biden can’t even read a teleprompter sometimes! Maybe use the Covid excuse to cancel.

229137 ▶▶▶▶▶ MsStroppster, replying to OKUK, #1403 of 1470 🔗

Perhaps he should put his teeth in so he can string a sentence together

229106 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1404 of 1470 🔗

I was gonna say…

“And the winner is…President Kamala Harris”… whose denial that she was a socialist was about as convincing as Vallance’s 4000 deaths a day chart.

229115 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to OKUK, 1, #1405 of 1470 🔗


229018 Mark, replying to Mark, 29, #1406 of 1470 🔗

Priti Patel orders police to get tough on Covid rulebreakers: Home Secretary ramps up enforcement saying those who ‘flout the law’ must not be allowed to ‘endanger the majority’

  • Priti Patel told police chiefs they must ‘strengthen enforcement’ of Covid rules
  • Ms Patel said rule breaking minority must not be allowed to ‘endanger’ majority
  • She said police had been given more powers and resources and now must act
  • Northern police have vowed to crack down on ‘minority putting lives at risk’

The loathsome Patel inciting harassment of decent dissidents – the sane minority – yet again,

Never forget. Never forgive.

229037 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Mark, 10, #1407 of 1470 🔗

She’s tied her political destiny to Johnson’s and so will soon join him in Davy Jones’s Locker.

229049 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Mark, 16, #1408 of 1470 🔗

Now we know this has got nothing to do with Covid. The numbers have been proven to be basically fabricated yet she has just handed the police more powers on what basis? This is a war now and they are enjoying it. The dissenting voice is getting much louder. So can’t have the people questioning us so let’s crush them. However we need lawyers now. Class action.

My God I’m never thought I’didn’ think I’d see a descent into totalitarianism in my lifetime and so quickly.
No bloody parliamentary opposition either!!

229051 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mark, 8, #1409 of 1470 🔗

Note they are obviously only rules .

She really is an obnoxious bitch.

229059 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Mark, 9, #1410 of 1470 🔗

Toby, you reading this?

…a national lockdown, even though it’s completely unnecessary and they all privately accept that…

Are these the actions of people who privately accept that the lockdown is completely unnecessary?

The economy has been thrown to the wolves in order to buy yet more time for the Conservatives to save face.

And by giving the police more powers to terrorize us? How can anyone with a brain believe that’s a face saving measure?

In short, they’re at a loss to know what to do .

So let’s rough up the people again for another month. That should do it!

They’ve run out of ideas…

But here’s a great idea; let’s get Priti Useless to let loose her dogs on the people for walking in twos; shopping for the wrong stuff, etc…

Your mate told you a load of bollocks, mate.

229113 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1411 of 1470 🔗

I was heartened to read Toby’s article. But then I looked around and noticed that almost every western country is heading down the same totalitarian path.

229139 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Londo Mollari, 4, #1412 of 1470 🔗

I think that is why people cling to the incompetence theory.Its comforting to believe people are just useless instead of evil and one day this will all end

229061 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Mark, #1413 of 1470 🔗


229064 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Mark, 4, #1414 of 1470 🔗

Priti Patel’s Party Outfit #2

229069 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Two-Six, 3, #1415 of 1470 🔗

Is that an outfit? Not very good is it? Hardly looks any different.

229110 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Mark, 3, #1416 of 1470 🔗

The language of the “minority” dissent is reminiscent of totalitarian regimes.

229048 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #1417 of 1470 🔗

Just got an email from Aldi CEO. Relevant highlights:

All our stores have a traffic light system at entrances to ensure a safe number of people can shop at any one time, whilst maintaining social distancing.

…. We are also continuing to increase the availability of our new Click and Collect service, with more stores being added weekly. Visit groceries.aldi.co.uk to see if this new service is available in your area.

The availability of grocery home delivery via Deliveroo is also growing – please check the Deliveroo app or visit aldi.co.uk/deliveroo to see if the service is available locally to you.

Well let’s hope my local continues to ignore all this bollox!
The CEO keeps assuring me that there are sanitising stations at the entrance to each store but the one at my local has been invisible for several weeks now.

229060 ▶▶ JuttaW, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #1418 of 1470 🔗

you should not for health reasons sanitise too much. It weakens your immune system!

229067 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to JuttaW, 3, #1419 of 1470 🔗

I know. I don’t sanitise. Just the fact that the gloop had disappeared was very encouraging, so looking for it was merely monitoring the situation.

229077 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1420 of 1470 🔗

I have spotted bottles of anti-bacterial goop in some pretty strange places. Fixed to gates in the middle of nowhere, on taps in camp sites, lots of those, all of it anti bacterial mind you not anti covids goop with a high alcohol content.

229088 ▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Two-Six, 2, #1421 of 1470 🔗

A house near me (private residence) has a sign next to the door reminding people to keep a 2-meter distance in the house at all times.

Luckily this house is for sale (probably lost their jobs) so they’ll hopefully be moving out soon (if they can sell it)

EDIT: I could post a picture of this as proof (not joking), but I don’t want to evade anyone’s privacy

229066 Ossettian, replying to Ossettian, 6, #1422 of 1470 🔗

Why is anyone surprised that the least British – by which I mean indigenous – cabinet we’ve ever had is happy to trash historic British freedoms?

229086 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Ossettian, 3, #1423 of 1470 🔗

They are traitors to the country, the land, the people, our ancestors and to humanity itself. As indeed are the so-called leaders of hundreds of other nations.

We need to find somewhere to exile all of them in perpetuity. I was thinking the Moon might be a good start.

229105 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Richard O, 2, #1424 of 1470 🔗

Operation Moonshot!

229075 Eddy, replying to Eddy, 6, #1425 of 1470 🔗

Just bought my first pair of covid ear plugs.

229079 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Eddy, 3, #1426 of 1470 🔗

Stay safe

229080 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Eddy, 3, #1427 of 1470 🔗

“That masked, deaf, dumb and blind kid, sure plays a mean pinball’

229089 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #1428 of 1470 🔗

“That sterile , masked, deaf, dumb and blind kid, sure plays a mean pinball’

Fixed that for you: see swedenborg ‘s post below/above for more details


Impaired spermatogenesis in COVID-19 patient

229094 ▶▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1429 of 1470 🔗

“That paralysed, sterile, masked, deaf, dumb and blind kid, can’t play a mean pinball ever since a rushed vaccine paralysed him’

229099 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to captainbeefheart, 3, #1430 of 1470 🔗

LMAO! This could get out of control, you know. 🙂

229111 ▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1431 of 1470 🔗

Grandad used to keep his seminiferous tubules covered up at this time of year.

229141 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Hieronimusb, #1432 of 1470 🔗


229091 ▶▶ Lucky, replying to Eddy, #1433 of 1470 🔗

Great idea

229097 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Eddy, 1, #1434 of 1470 🔗

Better make sure they haven’t got ‘Made in Westminster’ on ’em.

229149 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Eddy, #1435 of 1470 🔗

I don’t need any – I can’t get an NHS appointment to get the earwax removed. Too dangerous, unless you pay.

229101 Richard O, replying to Richard O, 8, #1436 of 1470 🔗

Lockdown causes death. All deaths are due to Covid-19. Deaths will increase as we approach the 2nd December renewal date. Increase in deaths is due to people not obeying the restrictions. The restrictions must therefore be tightened and extended. Which will cause more deaths.

Welcome to the next 6 months (at least).

229103 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Richard O, 7, #1437 of 1470 🔗

Welcome to the New World Order.

229109 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Londo Mollari, 6, #1438 of 1470 🔗

It’s our fault we are in lockdown. Which is why there must be more lockdown. And we have to pay for the cost of the lockdown. With our lives, freedom and prosperity.

229124 ▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Richard O, 4, #1439 of 1470 🔗

We’re being taunted with our own impotence, time to move these nutters on.

229154 ▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Richard O, 2, #1440 of 1470 🔗

More people need to repel lockdown and any fines with plod met with no payment, and yes I understand you are ‘ only following orders ‘. If they are too young too ignorant, just tell them to Google the phrase and stick a place called Nuremberg at the end … off tomorrow to drive 100 miles to my parents grave site, and No I will not be prevented from attending it, my personal promise to my mother and little harm I can do in a field of dead people.

229107 Old Normal, replying to Old Normal, 6, #1441 of 1470 🔗

In this reassuring article from the CCP, (oops) it says we’re allowed to sit on a bench in winter. Just imagine how much fun that could be. Sitting on your own in Skegness with the rain battering off your visor while you munch on a pile of soggy chips. If only I was allowed to travel…


229116 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Old Normal, 4, #1442 of 1470 🔗

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229118 ▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Two-Six, 6, #1443 of 1470 🔗

Totally sick, wish I was rich enough to not send my child into this shit in about 4 years (if money still exists then)

229119 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 6, #1444 of 1470 🔗

I literally just can’t look at that photo. It kills me.

229121 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Two-Six, 6, #1445 of 1470 🔗

The perfect slave class of the future. I suspect already damaged beyond repair at such a young age. Add the vaccine to this and they are gone.

The parents who are submitting their children to this cruel and unusual punishment should be given lengthy custodial sentences for child abuse. They obviously have no love for them at all.

229122 ▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1446 of 1470 🔗

No no no.

I am typing my story out now, I am off work ill because of that very situation.

229133 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Two-Six, 7, #1447 of 1470 🔗

I refused to allow my calf to be muzzled at school, so now she is working remotely until (if?) the muzzling is lifted.

This is some sick shit, that’s for sure.

229172 ▶▶▶ Foxglove, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1448 of 1470 🔗

This is what makes me despair, perhaps why I am awake at this hour. My daughter is the only one in her school who plays the exempt card. No other parents seems to mind, only me, the rest all go along with it. There is no need for scenes like this when people can claim exemption. They have been so completely brainwashed that there is no hope for them.

229108 PD, 5, #1449 of 1470 🔗

I hope to see you all at the War Memorial on Sunday.
Same time, same place.
Don’t be late!

229128 Monty Bodkin, replying to Monty Bodkin, 5, #1450 of 1470 🔗

Sir Charles Walker has been consistently opposed to the Tyranny. His speech today was powerful and moving. Also quite chilling, as he hinted at “something darker in the shadows.” This is what many of us have been feeling for a long time. I’ve written several times to my MP recently. His replies have been what I would have expected (i.e the Party line) but beneath the main body of type there is always a handwritten postscript which is at odds with the rest of the letter. It looks to me as though he is a man being put under considerable pressure to conform against his libertarian instincts. Today, he gave in to the former and voted ‘yes.’ I suspect he won’t be feeling good about that but neither do I feel good about writing to tell him that he has lost my vote. I also told them there are only 34 remaining reasons to support the Conservative Party and that’s not enough.

229131 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Monty Bodkin, 3, #1451 of 1470 🔗

Any thoughts on what Walker thinks the darker thing in the shadows might be?

The Conservative Party has been completely usurped I’m afraid. The election of Johnson as leader was a fatal mistake. They are now completely controlled by forces utterly inimical to democracy, liberty, individualism and humanity itself. Mark my words, what we have experienced during the last 7 months will pale into insignificance compared with the genocidal savagery that they will be unleashing over the coming months and years.

229147 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Monty Bodkin, 2, #1452 of 1470 🔗

He was very emotional in that speech. Funnily enough Treason May gave a really good anti-lockdown speech and then voted in favour. I don’t trust the latter, but Sir Charles seems genuine. Maybe he was threatened. Who knows?

229152 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Londo Mollari, 5, #1453 of 1470 🔗

Such a huge vote in favour of lockdown suggests to me that the entire governmental structure in this country, from top to bottom, is in the grip of unfathomable evil and darkness. This is way beyond human incompetence and stupidity, and has been from the start.

229162 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Londo Mollari, #1454 of 1470 🔗

Pretty clear from the fact that she voted for the lockdown that May’s speech was motivated purely by vengeful personal malice directed at Johnson personally.

229143 Dave #KBF, replying to Dave #KBF, #1455 of 1470 🔗

What are they doing, could not find the original video.

Police state?

229159 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Dave #KBF, #1456 of 1470 🔗

Presumably the family are still having to pay for the 97 year olds compulsory care ?

229145 Jane G, replying to Jane G, 4, #1457 of 1470 🔗

I’m greatly cheered to read Mike Yeadon’s piece; his Twitter posts have sustained me, along with this website, and I’m increasingly hopeful – not that Lockdown won’t happen, but that every day the evidence grows and future ones are less likely.
Toby’s theory about the political nature of this fiasco also reassures me, as I was truly spooked by the document from the truly evil ‘philosophers’ making the case for compulsory vaccination, (mentioned on today’s list of articles) and the measures that could be invoked to make it happen.
I’ve always believed in cock-up rather than conspiracy, but I think this sorry tale will end some careers, hopefully; Hancock and Patel, notably.

Maybe tomorrow I’ll be depressed again, but tonight I go to bed hopeful

229151 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Jane G, 4, #1458 of 1470 🔗

Even MSM reports tonight are saying in view of the Tory rebellion and general disquiet on backbenches Johnson will find it impossible to extend the national Lockdown come December. We here have made a small contribution to growing scepticism in Conservative ranks.

229156 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Jane G, 7, #1459 of 1470 🔗

I knew politicians were slippery before, but this has been an amazing wake-up call. It turns out that you can’t trust them at all . Only today, Theresa May made what seemed to be a principled speech, but then went on to vote for the lockdown. Steve Baker finally did something useful, but even then had been flaky in the run-up. And he supported mask-wearing in his tweets. Jacob Rees Mogg is an embarrassment. Priti Patel has destroyed her own reputation. These people don’t seem to know which side they are supposed to be on.

Obviously, back at the start of the year, I had thought that Johnson himself was an instinctive defender of liberty against woke & technocratic tyranny – wrong! He has turned out to be the worst prime minister ever, simply giving away destroying all of Britain’s wealth. In fact “worst” is possibly the wrong word, because it suggests mere incompetence whereas he has actively chosen to destroy the country with some positively evil policies. There’s already a lot of blood on his hands. God knows how much will follow in the coming years. Can he ever be forgiven for what he’s done? I think he makes Tony Blair look like a saint.

229160 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Barney McGrew, 4, #1460 of 1470 🔗

I think he makes Tony Blair look like a saint .”

I’m not going that far. Some would disagree but my personal view is that leaders who gratuitously murder vast numbers of foreigners are inherently worse than those who harm their own. At least we collectively bear some kind of responsibility for putting these scum into the positions they use to wreak such harm. The Iraqis had no say whatsoever in enabling Bush and Blair to do what they did.

And while the small minority of sceptics here have done nothing to deserve what has been done to them, it’s hard to say that the majority of Brits don’t deserve what they are getting, in some degree. Even if you argue that they were terrorised by evil men, the mere fact that they were so weak-minded as to allow that to be done to them with such pathetic material is condemnation enough.

229168 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Mark, 1, #1461 of 1470 🔗

Very well said, I could not agree more.

I consider myself personally responsible for not having made more of an effort to alert the people around me to their apathy and ignorance that I knew deep down would always come back to haunt us. In this regard, I too deserve what is now being done to us.

229209 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Barney McGrew, #1462 of 1470 🔗

The MPS you mention do not think they are there for their constituents but merely for themselves.

229207 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Jane G, #1463 of 1470 🔗

I’m fine tuning and letter to my MP Wancock in which I’m give him both barrels. I’ll post it when I’ve sent it.

229148 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 3, #1464 of 1470 🔗

Re the LS updates, above, the leak re true state of pressure on NHS is scandalous when set against Whitty and Vallance’s lies to Committee and Boris’s hysterical histrionics about medics choosing between life and death for those under their care , like some scene from Saving Private Ryan or something.

229170 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to OKUK, #1465 of 1470 🔗

Interesting that the day after that leak to the DT the BBC runs this story:

Covid-19: NHS in England moves to highest alert level

I wonder which one is telling the truth…

229206 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to OKUK, #1466 of 1470 🔗

Human life is relatively cheap to the NHS. The Audit Commission said about them “There is a deep rooted and historival contempt for the elderly that permeates it which is unshakeable. It is populated by tiers of middle managers with tiny spheres of responobility and who are often incompetent. Decisions about life and death Johnson, are not at all difficult for them especially when it comes to the elderly

229166 karenovirus, 3, #1467 of 1470 🔗

Shortly after 10pm I was treated to the sound of fireworks being let off in the nearby public park. After a while the fizzbangs moved closer as the groups setting them off exited into my road amusing themselves by throwing them at each other across the street.
This might have been alarming for some elderly neighbours and those with pets but it was inevitable given that two hours later just being on the street would become illegal and many of them will have no work to look forward to for a month at least.

I did not begrudge them their last hour of fun. I expect this occured throughout the land but at this location no Police arrived even though it went on for an hour or more.

229167 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 5, #1468 of 1470 🔗

Apparently 450,000 UK citizens died in WW2. Lockdown 1.0 is projected to kill 200,000 due to delayed health care, social and economic fallout etc.

Here at LS we know that Ferguson’s original modelling was a joke (and we can even say why, in great detail), and people like Carl Heneghan can show that the stats are being twisted left right and centre to maintain the fear and economic destruction. The people who die of Covid are ‘dry tinder’ and at the ends of their lives, anyway and would probably be killed by the next bout of flu – or common cold. Sunetra Gupta and others can provide a far more plausible explanation of what’s going on, and a set of less damaging strategies.

So Johnson and a small number around him are building up towards killing the same number of people as WW2, not through negligence, but actively through their deliberate policies, lies and deceit. If there was still a TV & cinema industry in the future, it would make a great film. What does it feel like to be responsible for so many deaths? Johnson, Ferguson, Hancock join a select few from history who have slaughtered people in the hundreds of thousands as a direct result of their malfeasance.

229169 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Barney McGrew, 4, #1469 of 1470 🔗

The worldwide death toll from the policies (not the so-called pandemic) will run into hundreds of millions at least, thereby far exceeding deaths in all wars in the 20th century combined. In other words, the greatest genocide in all human history.

229171 karenovirus, 2, #1470 of 1470 🔗

Daily Mail has Priti Patel telling the Police they must uphold David Starkeys right to free speech.
This from the woman who also told police they must enforce her new ‘law’ making it illegal to protest in groups of two or more.


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