2020-11-05

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229173 Judy Watson, replying to Judy Watson, 152, #1 of 2064 🔗

Good morning everyone.

Cannot believe that the commons voted for a lockdown. What happened to reasoned discussions and debates. Shame on the ‘Mother of all Parliaments’ subjecting the nation to this tyranny – thats what is in my opini0on

229176 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Judy Watson, 18, #2 of 2064 🔗

I just gave the first thumbs up for this page!

229188 ▶▶ Helen, replying to Judy Watson, 41, #3 of 2064 🔗

Hi Judy ..they have shown themselves to be criminals within a MASSIVE criminal conspiracy thats whats happened

229191 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Judy Watson, 45, #4 of 2064 🔗

About 30 of the 650 MPs are in on Davos Great Reset. The rest of the politicians, most have posh voices.. 20% of them went to Oxbridge.. but they just are not bright. I know an Oxford graduate who believes everything the government and media says. When I showed her The Lockstep document she brushed it off. She has a first class degree and cannot reason. Her brain is already locked down.

In essence, we/Delingpole and Hitchens are all correct. It is a mixture of coup d’etat and cockup. We are led by a man-boy… his Rockerfeller daddy helping him. His Rockerfeller girlfriend tugging his todger. Rockerfeller Starmer pretending to oppose. It’s a Rockerfeller Skank.

229220 ▶▶▶ paologrigio, replying to chaos, 6, #5 of 2064 🔗

Why is this currently showing as -2 thumbs up? Anyway, like the Norman Cook reference.

229251 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to paologrigio, 39, #6 of 2064 🔗

Because of saying “such and such is behind all this”.

I was thinking about the Chinese government again this morning. If you wanted to, you could make a case for our plight being the result of their actions. Having observed the psychology of nations in the West, they recognised that there are many schisms in the population and also a tendency to hysteria and germ-phobia.

They found a respiratory virus. Since they control the Chinese media, they told their population that it is extremely dangerous. Film people dropping dead from the virus on the street. Film the government boarding up some of the population in their homes. Institute lockdowns. Sit back and watch how the West reacts. Wait a while, remove restrictions on the population since you know this isn’t really that serious. Watch the rest of the world tear itself to pieces. If anything, this worked better than expected.

This is the scenario that often plays out in my mind when I see people talking about The Great Reset. In other words, we do not know and ultimately, it does not matter. We need to deal with the issue at hand.

229303 ▶▶▶▶▶ chaos, replying to ConstantBees, 22, #7 of 2064 🔗

I believe your scenario. I know the videos of the people falling in the street in China were faked. How? Because we never saw the same here or anywhere else. But… our government now knows that too and has done since April or so or earlier.. they siezed on this virus to do the Great Reset. The Great Reset was always in the pipeline.Hancock is on the uk.gov website talking about it in 2017.

229375 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to chaos, 9, #8 of 2064 🔗

That’s fine. It is not my business to tell you what to think.

However, I find that “not knowing” is a stronger position to act from. The human mind is designed to catastrophise, to find a negative focus and cling to it. That is just how we’re wired. To see these possibilities, like the Chinese one I described above, as possibilities, and then move back to a position of not knowing the ultimate forces in play, if indeed there are any at all. That is what allows me to hold on to my sanity, to return to calm determination.

Your mileage may vary.

230038 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to ConstantBees, 1, #9 of 2064 🔗

Funny how many people simply look at my musings about China and feel the need to run with them. THIS is the answer, this is the reason we’re all in this mess. I repeat for the last time, since I’m growing tired of it, that we do not and it does not matter. There are more important fish to fry.

230470 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to chaos, 2, #10 of 2064 🔗

I realized the drop-dead videos were fake when the hazmat suit guys and ambulances appeared instantly.

There is no way they would know that specific, random person would die at that specific time so they could respond immediately.

229345 ▶▶▶▶▶ Graham Strouts, replying to ConstantBees, 14, #11 of 2064 🔗

This thread is a good summary of how how this has happened. We are well on our way to becoming a slave state to China, along with the rest of the world. The massive new borrowing to pay for Lockdown2 guarantees are savings and assets will be worthless in a few weeks or months. Then we will have no choice but to acquiesce to the NWO, relinquishing whatever rights we have left to survive.

229381 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Graham Strouts, 7, #13 of 2064 🔗

Again, I outlined a scenario. I said “ If you wanted to , you could make a case for our plight being the result of their actions.”

If you wanted to. I hold that scenario as one of many possibilities, including the one that says that humans are chaotic, emotional creatures capable of being swayed because of their biological heritage.

I repeat again that I find it more emotionally stabilising to keep returning to the “not knowing” position, rather than catastrophising.

229559 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to ConstantBees, 5, #14 of 2064 🔗

We come from polar opposite political positions and assumptions, but on this we share a broad approach, I think.

My response to the kind of possible China scenario you describe, I have set out here before now – that if the Chinese really are that competent and we so grossly unfit for self-rule, then it would save time and suffering just to hand them global control and get it over with now.

There are unlikely to be such tidy explanatory scenarios for any issue of this kind of scope or complexity, any more than simplistic “big oil dun it” explanations for the Iraq war were sufficient. But that doesn’t mean that the Chinese aren’t actively seeking to displace the US as the globally dominant power, or that there aren’t all kinds of interest groups conspiring to push us in particular directions and exploiting whatever opportunities arise.

229640 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to ConstantBees, 5, #15 of 2064 🔗

If your scenario is right and it could be, then the west has only itself to blame. It didn’t have to be suckered by the Chinese/WHO/Bill Gates and many of us were highly suspicious of this well telegraphed Covid event from day one. In many ways our governments truly deserve the chaos that has now spread across.the western world, as it was they who started the vicious hybrid war against China in the first place. The western peoples are not free of blame either, as they have allowed themselves to be governed by evil and often very stupid people for the last forty years or more. We all know what the answer is.

229861 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jane in France, replying to ConstantBees, 2, #16 of 2064 🔗

I think you might be onto something. Interestingly, our own health minister, Olivier Véran, who would give Matt Hancock a run for his money any day, was a “Young Leader ” in 2019 of the France-China foundation, modelled on the French-American Foundation, which exists to spread Chinese “soft power” in France. Little Olivier thew a teenage tantrum in parliament the other day because the deputies would only grant him an extension of the confinement to the middle of December and not the middle of February which was what he wanted. Edouard Philippe, who was Prime Minister when the first confinement began, was also a Young Leader in 2013 and let his hair down a bit too much during a trip to China in 2014 (as reported by the very mainstream newspaper Le Monde). I shudder to think what the Chinese have on our former Prime Minister, but no doubt he doesn’t want it to get out. Whatever these former Young Leaders of the France-China Foundation are working for, it certainly isn’t for the good of France.

230460 ▶▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to ConstantBees, 1, #17 of 2064 🔗

I have arrived at almost the exact same conclusions through my own observation of the available evidence.

The CCP knew this was a low-rise, high-reward exercise. If it doesn’t work, just blow it off as excess caution and wait a few years to try again.

If it does work – which it has – pure profit!

I also believe the US Democratic party has significant ties to the CCP.

230970 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to awildgoose, 2, #18 of 2064 🔗

And so it seems does Boris Johnson. The link between Johnson and the CCP is Bill Gates.

229346 ▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to chaos, 15, #19 of 2064 🔗

I have seen quite a few articles and made that personal experience as well, that the better educated the people are, the more uncritical, illiberal and unconcerned they are currently.
And their children, obviously, are even worse/the true fanatics.
I suppose to some extent that is the real problem and driver here: the zealous herd of miseducated- anti-authoritarian with regard to manners, uncritical and unindividualistic in school- GenZ have brainwashed their parents in this, and the related woke, BLM, climate change, matters.

229390 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Jay Berger, 21, #20 of 2064 🔗

I have an (American) Masters degree in economics and studied for a PhD but didn’t complete. I also have a two-year (American) degree in computer information systems. I think that makes me “better educated”. I hope that my posts support my view that I am critical, liberal and concerned.

I know it can feel good to pick a target and say “they are the cause of the problem” but that is simply another version of divide and conquer. I believe it is more productive to focus on what unites us than what divides us. I say that as a liberal, left wing person who spends a lot of time on this board which is largely populated by people from the traditional right.

229450 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rachel.C, replying to ConstantBees, 12, #21 of 2064 🔗

Yes. Focus on what unites us. And don’t assume we’re mostly from traditional right. Maybe most of the avid commentators but a lot of us are politically homeless holding both left and right views.

230042 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Rachel.C, 5, #22 of 2064 🔗

I actually now consider myself to perhaps be formerly of the left, like the artist formerly known as Prince. Like you, I am now seem to be politically homeless.

229548 ▶▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to ConstantBees, 19, #23 of 2064 🔗

Well said! I consider myself educated and on the left. However ‘Left’ and ‘Right’ are no longer usable terms. My degrees are not the point. My age might be though, many on here are older and we’re not afraid to speak our minds. We’ve fought previous battles.

I’m thoroughly disillusioned with the Left’s hypocrisy and have found a home here amongst many long term Tory voters. Well I never!! None of my education matters actually, as what unites us all is a belief in freedom to live as a sovereign human beings.

I also think many here have a distinctive take on what makes “the good life” as not brought up in a consumer society. We recognise that freedom is much more than choosing from a drop down list of choices presented to us by global corporations.

229564 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Marialta, 3, #24 of 2064 🔗

‘Left’ and ‘Right’ are no longer usable terms

Left/right is not something that dates, but rather a reflection of fundamental differences in human approaches to life. The boundaries emphases shift, and the dominant position moves, and the issues are complex and overlapping, but left and right remain relevant and quite possibly always will.

229583 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Exiled off mainstreet, replying to Mark, 1, #25 of 2064 🔗

A better term now is system and anti-system viewpoints.

230045 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Exiled off mainstreet, 2, #26 of 2064 🔗

The Earth is a system. The ocean contains many systems. The human body is a system. I am not anti-Earth, anti-ocean, anti-human body. I’m afraid your word is too vague for me.

229736 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Marialta, 3, #27 of 2064 🔗

The inadequacy of ‘left’ and ‘right’ as political descriptors has been long recognised. The terms are too clunky to be much use, and there have been quite a few alternative models that go further than one dimension.

The most common is that which recognizes a ‘libertarian – authoritarian’ dimension as well as the conventional ‘left-right’. It makes sense, and works pretty well, given that all models are simplifications.

Certainly, the politics of the last two years, with Brexit and Covid, has blown the simplistic ‘left-right’ description right out of the water.

229986 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to RickH, #28 of 2064 🔗

Very true Rick.

229714 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to ConstantBees, #29 of 2064 🔗

https://www.rubikon.news/artikel/das-mitlaufer-syndrom
This is one of the articles I mentioned, which is making that observation.

229424 ▶▶▶ Dean, replying to chaos, 4, #30 of 2064 🔗

One big rockerfeller orgy. And we are all left outside yanking our todgers until the vaccine stops us yanking altogether.

231011 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Dean, 2, #31 of 2064 🔗

The Rockefellers have been into depopulation for a century or so and they have also been involved with the great depopulator Bill Gates, since he was just a nerdy youth. I expect the Rockefellers are still there in the wings and are proudly watching their boy Bill bravely carrying the globalist banner into a Great Reset future.

231075 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Rowan, 1, #32 of 2064 🔗

Alex Jones was warning us about the Rockefellers 20 or more years ago.

229241 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Judy Watson, 48, #33 of 2064 🔗

I just sent a message of support to Desmond Swayne, one of the few to vote against it.

I ended my message with

In increasing numbers, people on the right and the left are coming together to fight this however we can. The same holds for religious belief, and indeed nation of birth. We have a common goal that is more important than anything that divides us: to secure freedom from tyranny.

229542 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Judy Watson, 9, #34 of 2064 🔗

Fear disables reason.

230032 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Judy Watson, 10, #35 of 2064 🔗

Fucking cunts should be shot, on a brighter note here in Notts roads are really busy people walking about, I opened my business up as usual this morning and my 81 year old mother came to work as usual.

230738 ▶▶ NappyFace, replying to Judy Watson, 1, #36 of 2064 🔗

This should be recorded and kept for the trials. The basis for the measures is known to be wrong.

231164 ▶▶ Bartleby, replying to Judy Watson, #37 of 2064 🔗

Judy, I couldn’t agree more. Shame on all of them. I know the comments are way more frequented than the forums, but I wrote a forum post which seems like a lifetime ago on how this happened and it just seems to be more and more confirmed each day as we hear more. The update from Toby’s private conversations into the heart of the government and how scared they are particularly seems relevant. If you’ll indulge me I’m going to recap a little here as it seems relevant, here’s what I wrote when I first joined the site:

“The reason why I can’t buy into the conspiracy theories, is that there isn’t one. I mean one, as in a singular conspiracy theory. Rather than there being a simple, singular explanation, what we’re seeing is huge mix of vested, nested and special interests riding their own apocalyptic agenda-horses either to achieve, deflect or avoid something. In other words, there are multiple conspiracy theories competing and contributing to the whole mess.

It has to be said that the first of these is the Conservative political angle. We know the events of mid-to-late March saw an abrupt change in the UK approach. This change was not only heavily influenced by the modelling of Imperial College and a media desperate for a headline prediction of huge numbers of deaths to act as appropriate clickbait, but in large part an explanation can be found in the attitude of the Tories desperate to avoid scenes of any NHS hospital overflowing with sick people and people dead in corridors. The NHS has always been a Tory weakness and any perception that it didn’t cope on their watch would feel like political suicide for them. The political fear and thinking at the top of the Conservative party is thus the first domino to topple where our rights and the overall health of us a people was put second to not giving the media and political opposition the story or stories that the Tories feared.

On the flip side of that fear was the glee and exaggeration of those in political opposition who could see that this was a crisis which could be exploited for their own political gain in many areas. That’s the sound of another domino falling right there, slapping against the ground with hardly any thought to the public health and prosperity of billions of people.

The 3rd domino is the ego and special interests of various NGO and quasi-public sector officials around the world who saw this as an opportunity to remind a set of dumb populations, who had the temerity to vote for things like Brexit and Trump, that their expert status was still around and how important and clever they are. It was a chance to secure their futures, remind everyone how much we needed experts and solicit funding. The two major themes of work I’ve seen from Imperial college have been their models of the numbers of deaths which will happen without their advice being followed and the second is a self-congratulatory piece modelling how many lives their advice has saved. They have served about as much purpose as an arsonist setting a building on fire, shouting ‘we’re all doomed’, wetting themselves, and then claiming that their piss-stained pants and damp shoes helped save the lives of everyone in the building.

PHE, WHO and various other bodies seem to be on an endless round of ramping up fear to increase their levels of influence and securing funding. I’ve no doubt that there are some very fine individuals in various organisations who absolutely do care about the welfare of people the world over, but they are subsumed into a more dominant mindset of protecting ‘institutions’ rather than people. Why was ‘protect the NHS’ such a key mantra? It should only ever have been about protecting lives and our jobs, economy and happiness. That’s another domino falling where the needs of the people are put second to the self-interest of a group or an institution.”

I went on at too much length in the forum post, but nothing I’ve seen since writing that back in August has made me reconsider and think that I’m wrong.

229174 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 38, #38 of 2064 🔗

Let this be a lesson to all that speaking reason to power does not work. Let it be a lesson that the good of the people is not a concern of those in government. And let it be a lesson that asking and pleading is not enough.

To echo President Trump: “Will you remember this, England?”

229178 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 14, #39 of 2064 🔗

Impossible to speak to those who do not listen, be it masked sheeple or our so called parliamentary representatives.

229180 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Dave #KBF, 37, #40 of 2064 🔗

Oh, if this were as simple as people not listening… Government have built barriers around themselves to make sure you can’t even talk with them. My MP (Zarah Sultana, who does not represent me in any way, shape, or form) hasn’t even bothered responding to my please for reason. How can i demand an answer? I can’t go to the local council, there’s probably no one there. And even if there was, you would never get an audience. I can’t go to her house to complain, i’d be (rightfully, i think) arrested. We can’t even get as far as not being listened to. We can’t even speak. How can any of us demand answer of Johnson and Hancock? How can we be face to face with them and demand answers from them, unrelenting until we get them?

We cannot.

229597 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 1, #41 of 2064 🔗

(rightfully, i think)

That people fear talking to other people (who have voluntarily stood for political office) is bonkers. We’ll need to disagree on that one.

229693 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to JohnB, 1, #42 of 2064 🔗

My opinion is that the families of public figures should not be brought into such arguments. Sure, there may come a time when there is no other recourse but to show up in front of someone’s home with a protest, but i don’t consider that to be a normal state of affairs.

231233 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 1, #43 of 2064 🔗

Their families made a karmic decision when incarnating. So there. 🙂

229194 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 13, #44 of 2064 🔗

Yes, I’m tired of hearing the phrase trotted out about speaking truth to power. I don’t know where it comes from but it’s such obvious nonsense that I wonder how people can delude themselves that it will have any effect.

229314 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Rosie, 7, #45 of 2064 🔗

Yes, speaking truth to ruthless power makes you a target.

229601 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Rosie, 4, #46 of 2064 🔗

It’s cathartic; it sets an example to others to at least think for themselves; and it lets the guilty know some do not swallow their line.

There’s 3 effects. 🙂

229587 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 6, #47 of 2064 🔗

Speaking reason/truth to power works sometimes,and sometimes it doesn’t. In general,it’s much better when it does, obviously.

The trend in the US sphere is towards intolerance, and has been for decades, as reflected in the dilution of freedom of speech and thought principles with self-serving concepts of unacceptable “hate speech” and unacceptable exercises of personal liberty that inconvenience or “offend” others.

The end, in this direction, is the locking in of the new, dominant leftist principles of the C20th as official truth dogma, globally, much as Christian truths were once locked in and enforced by law. They may succeed, or they may not. Everyone will have to choose a side on these debates that either push towards or resist that goal. The coronapanic is an aspect of this, whereby the rights of individuals to dissent are circumscribed by pressure and ultimately force, rationalised as legitimate based on “greater good” arguments.

In the end, though, either they must be forced to compromise, or we must surrender, or there must be violence.

229175 Dave #KBF, replying to Dave #KBF, 38, #48 of 2064 🔗

Thinking about taking the dog out for a walk, may try to wait a bit longer.

This new craziness is driving me to despair, cannot sleep, wondering what is coming next.

229185 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Dave #KBF, 20, #49 of 2064 🔗

Ii know it’s hard, but keep the faith, we will prevail

229233 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Cecil B, 8, #50 of 2064 🔗

No other way.

229219 ▶▶ annie, replying to Dave #KBF, 35, #51 of 2064 🔗

The sooner you take the dog for a walk, the better.
Dogs go on being dogs whatever lunacy the zombie population may be wallowing in. Give them a home, food, walkies and love and they are happy. They’re the best therapy. And very few dog walkers are zombies, so gou’ll get plenty of chsnces to interact with human brings.

229236 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to annie, 21, #52 of 2064 🔗

So agree. I don’t have a dog but whenever we get dogs in the shop, they always cheer me up. Had three in yesterday, a cockerpoo; a daschund and the cutest puppy (don’t know what breed).

229244 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to kh1485, 14, #53 of 2064 🔗

So you allow dogs? If my admiration for you had a higher notch, I’d just have moved you to it!

229317 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to annie, 12, #54 of 2064 🔗

Oh yes, we absolutely love dogs. Got dog treats, dog towels and the dogs get served first!

229321 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to kh1485, 8, #55 of 2064 🔗

Sorry, bit off-topic, but here’s one of our canine customers:

https://twitter.com/ernpup

230576 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to kh1485, #56 of 2064 🔗

Head of barketing! 😀

230004 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to kh1485, 1, #57 of 2064 🔗

Aw thats so lovely…if I lived where you are I would be a weekly regular. You sound so relaxed and chilled…not uptight like some cafe owners.

229252 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to annie, 21, #58 of 2064 🔗

Wild animals help as well. There’s a fox on my allotment that has become increasingly bold as there are fewer people on the site. I’ve seen it each time I’ve been there recently. It walks across my plot often within 2m of me. Obviously, it does not care about antisocial distancing. It knows it has a right to live, as do I.

229259 ▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to ConstantBees, 3, #59 of 2064 🔗

Off-topic perhaps: but, would anyone have an idea about who it is that dug a deep hole in my garden a few nights ago? In a flowerbed. The hole was as deep as you would dig to plant a well-grown shrub. Lots and lots of earth had been thrown up. (In the bottom of the hole I saw a bone, which I threw away.) Might it have been a badger? It must have had powerful paws.
Then a couple of mornings later I found a dead rat in the garden. Do badgers kill rats?
I know I have had a fox: in the summer he would come and sleep for a few hours on the lawn. He had huge triangular ears and didn’t mind me watching him from the kitchen window.

229389 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Alethea, #60 of 2064 🔗

Depends on your soil type. A fox can do that overnight with ease when the soil is loose. If it’s heavy clay then it’s badger.
Recommend discouraging either. Spread ticks and Lyme Disease, both very horrible.

229529 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Alethea, #61 of 2064 🔗

You don’t live in Gloucester do you?

229568 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sue, replying to Alethea, 2, #62 of 2064 🔗

some animal trying to dig their way out of this shitshow of a country which railroads it’s citizens!
It’s likely to be a fox – i have them and they dig really deep especially to get under the shed.

229607 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Alethea, 3, #63 of 2064 🔗

It’ll be a Tasmanian devil. You can identify them by their ‘whirlwind-style’ getaways.

231061 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to ConstantBees, 1, #64 of 2064 🔗

Foxes have very good hearing but only out front. I once scared the bejeezus out of an urban fox walking up behind him and encroaching on his social space! 🙂

229353 ▶▶▶ Merlin, replying to annie, 2, #65 of 2064 🔗

I have taken to putting little post-its round the house that read “be more dog”

229999 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to annie, 2, #66 of 2064 🔗

Yes dogs are lovely…and so are my cats. They have helped me endure this insanity. They are far too clever to ever go along with such absurdity…..only people could ever be that stupid. They also have a more mature and accepting attitude to death. They accept its part of life and move on….thats what I see happen when one of my animal family dies.

230982 ▶▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to Borisbullshit, 1, #67 of 2064 🔗

I just brought home 2 new cats last night, bro and sis 7 months old. I put down my last surviving cat back in late August and I’m not lying when I say life since then had felt meaningless. Now I’m back to feeling like myself and a cat dad once again!

231172 ▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Eddie, #68 of 2064 🔗

Aw thats lovely…..I have 2 sister cats aged 8 too….they scrap a bit but love each other really haha. Could not imagine life without them.

229288 ▶▶ LS99, replying to Dave #KBF, 14, #69 of 2064 🔗

I’ve just read the rules, there is no mention of time limiting exercise. It says to minimise time spent outside the home but then goes on to say you can meet one other person for outdoor exercise and travel for outdoor exercise. There is no specific time limit on it, so what does “minimise” mean to you?

229316 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to LS99, 14, #70 of 2064 🔗

You don’t expect to make any sense of this garbage, do you?

229334 ▶▶▶▶ LS99, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #71 of 2064 🔗

I know, I should know better by now.

229332 ▶▶▶ Hampshire Sceptic, replying to LS99, 12, #72 of 2064 🔗

Minimise is a legal term meaning up to 25 hours a day.

229333 ▶▶▶▶ LS99, replying to Hampshire Sceptic, 5, #73 of 2064 🔗

Yup, that’s what it means to me!

229350 ▶▶▶ FiatLux, replying to LS99, 1, #74 of 2064 🔗

Absolutely nothing. Who’s to tell, anyway, unless there’s something in their infernal “apps”; which wouldn’t surprise me.

229393 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to LS99, 1, #75 of 2064 🔗

All day 🙂

229570 ▶▶▶ Sue, replying to LS99, 5, #76 of 2064 🔗

i don’t think there was a defined time limit last time – it was ‘interpreted’ as such by useless prats on media/tv which spread the message of 1 hour or some such rubbish

230054 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to LS99, 1, #77 of 2064 🔗

There is no time limit, so it’s however long it takes you to get your exercise “done”. There are no limits on how many times you exercise, so exercise as often as you like to “get it done”. In other words, keep doing what you want.

230498 ▶▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to LS99, 1, #78 of 2064 🔗

I didn’t minimise my exercise in any shape the first time around, even before the duplicitous arse-covering announcement that exercise was now ‘unlimited’ (it never was in law). In the first week I did a ‘shopping trip’ that was a 20-mile ride, then a 55-mile loop including a 5k run in the middle just to spite the ‘guidance’ I could only do one form. Another weekend I spent all down rolling down the coast and sat on Southsea Common eating sandwiches, police ignored me and I had a couple of nice chats with other folks also out. The only think about long trips is that there’s fewer places to get water for free – Salisbury had turned their fountains off out of spite to ‘discourage’ visitors (won’t be spending any money there in future) but luckily pubs often have a mains tap outside for watering plants.

229325 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Dave #KBF, 9, #79 of 2064 🔗

Stay on here – whether we are feeling that way or helping others to stay with it, we are all together in spirit. i feel this way this morning, quite tearful and emotional. I’ll get my fight back later – just roll with it and take some support from all the lovely people on here. I hope it helps you as much as it does me.

229417 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Dave #KBF, 1, #80 of 2064 🔗

Don’t defer the dog walk, Dave, It’s restorative

229602 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Dave #KBF, 2, #81 of 2064 🔗

The dog weeing on the floor is coming next …

229612 ▶▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to JohnB, 1, #82 of 2064 🔗

And that’s a best case scenario …

229177 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 41, #83 of 2064 🔗

Boris has saved Christmas for us, such that when the 25th comes around we can all stay at home instead of taking a vacation, because the tourism industry and the airlines will be devastated. We will all reminisce fondly about Christmas dinners out in town with friends and family, events that will never happen again because the hospitality industry will be devastated. We will all do video chats with people we haven’t seen for 10 or more months, because social distancing reigns supreme.

I’m not sure how Boris and his 516 groveling lackeys have saved Christmas in any measurable manner. I just hope that, for some, Christmas won’t come too late.
https://parler.com/post/8298930107ca476ab5596e2da0c00445

229179 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 24, #84 of 2064 🔗

That is disgusting, if I had any elderly relatives surviving in so called care homes, I would remove them also.

The family needs supporting, not arresting.

229181 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Dave #KBF, 31, #85 of 2064 🔗

I found that video incredibly distressing. Even if that old lady were to pass away, is she not allowed, after 97 years of life, to at least pass surrounded by her family? Must she really die alone? I just hope that she will be reunited with her family.

How did that arrest benefit anyone? How can we find ourselves living in a country where the police takes action that only harms the people and nothing more? How can people be ok with this?

229198 ▶▶▶▶ Mark H, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 12, #86 of 2064 🔗

If she passes surrounded by family, what use would that be to the lockdown enthusiasts who love to tell tales of old people dying “alone, but for one overworked nurse holding their hand”?

229467 ▶▶▶▶ davews, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 3, #87 of 2064 🔗

JHB had the daughter on Talk Radio this morning, really heartbreaking interview.

230108 ▶▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 2, #88 of 2064 🔗

She belongs to the State now; all that nasty old personal autonomy nonsense has been swept away with the Great Reset.

229193 ▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 19, #89 of 2064 🔗

Words fail me but I will do my best. It is deplorable, abominable, heavy handed, over the top and f****ing disgusting. Hope the old lady does get to stay with her daughter.

229234 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Judy Watson, 11, #90 of 2064 🔗

How many police, sorry, Gestapo were sent to arrest this woman?

229793 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Judy Watson, 2, #91 of 2064 🔗

If there isn’t a Deprivation of Liberty Ordet in place then the lady has every right to leave the home and stay wherr she chooses.

229195 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 9, #92 of 2064 🔗

The family will presumably be expected to continue paying for grandma’s enforced incarceration.

229257 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 24, #93 of 2064 🔗

The Daily Mail has the story: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8914373/Police-ARREST-qualified-nurse-trying-97-year-old-mother-care-home.html

Obvious which way the Best rated comments are going. But I’ve not seen 10,000 upvotes on the best rated comment before.

Care home wanted her back so not to lose the thousands of pounds a month to keep her there. Poor lady, and her family. X

229310 ▶▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to ConstantBees, 22, #94 of 2064 🔗

Every society has sadists – people who do not respond to basic humanity , people who are obsessed with rules, regardless of weather they make any sense. They believe any propaganda that the government feeds them and attack anyone with an open mind

These people wish to destroy the joy and even basic welfare of ordinary people in order to conform to dogma

80 years ago these beasts would have been shoving people into gas chambers

These authoritarian traits are not related to education or professional status, but something within personality.

Key question is what can we do about these monsters?

229330 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 6, #95 of 2064 🔗

I have cried watching this. I don’t cry easily or often. I simply can’t believe this can happen in this country.

229524 ▶▶ VickyA, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 2, #96 of 2064 🔗

Not feeling at all inclined to send Christmas greetings to anyone. Been looking for some pithy cards to send. Also how can we spread message in our cards in a direct way? I really find the ones I have seen so far make me want to scream. Any suggestions?

229655 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to VickyA, 8, #97 of 2064 🔗

Make your own ?

229803 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to JohnB, 3, #98 of 2064 🔗

Good poster. Discovered from yesterday’s market research that posters and leaflets left lying around are effective ways to get through to people.

231065 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to JohnB, #99 of 2064 🔗

That’s a great poster!

231231 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to OKUK, #100 of 2064 🔗

Fairly sure it originated here (on LDS). 🙂

229708 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 2, #101 of 2064 🔗
229182 Exiled off mainstreet, replying to Exiled off mainstreet, 52, #102 of 2064 🔗

The yankee election disaster is a big deal because it will make lockdowns and other medico-fascist policies permanent in the coming months. The result is more significant than that it robbed Trump, campaigning against strict policies, of a victory the voters had given him according to the separate provincial election system which is how the yankee system is arranged. The halt in counting and the massive changes in results overturning big leads reminds me of yankee tactics in “regime change” operations in South or Central American or other exercises of influence such as in Mexico where the presidential candidate they didn’t favour was leading in 2006 and a “computer glitch” changed the dynamic allowing the pro-yankee corruption candidate to triumph. In this instance, more votes have been cast in Wisconsin than were registered with Milwaukee casting many excess votes. The tricks they can use with postal voting include finding names of incompetents at care homes and forging their names, etc. In Michigan the ballots came in large vans in large numbers and turned a 7% victory margin into a two per cent deficit. In Wisconsin over a hundred thousand votes suddenly appeared to change the dynamic.

This is important for these issues because the establishment party campaigned on drastic lockdowns and, for example, a mask requirement for driving on the freeway in your own car. In addition to the way the official media acted as a propaganda agency by not, for instance, covering the story of the Bidens’ manifold foreign corruption and other similar issues, and the way the social media acted like fascist gatekeepers, November 3 marks a seizure of power which will destroy the last remnants of the rule of law and seriously mar the legitimacy of the yankee regime.

230286 ▶▶ richmond, replying to Exiled off mainstreet, 3, #103 of 2064 🔗

Trump hasn’t lost yet.

230503 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Exiled off mainstreet, 4, #104 of 2064 🔗

Exiled-

Trump is a fighter.

He is on record that he would only concede a FAIR election.

He drew a 57k rally to a town of 17k in Pennsylvania.

There are reports that up to 30% of attendees at his rallies were disaffected Dems.

The US election is not even close to being over.

229183 Helen, 10, #105 of 2064 🔗

The field of medicine, by adhering rigidly to SCIENTIFIC METHOD, mislaid its

subject matter and gave up its moral responsibility toward the real health

concerns of human beings.”

Neeta Mehta , PhD.*

NOT ONLY IS THE ‘crisis’ a fraudulent means to impose a worldwide facist dictatorship but the trojan horse of choice -medical science- is itself devoid of moral foundation in its very conception.

Hence the outcomes devoid of a grain of moral consideration or conscience .

One value …a number representing a subcategory they call CASES within another category they call INFECTIOUS DISEASES has been all that was necessary to launch a WORLDWIDE facist dictatorship.

ONLY ONE VALUE out of a subcategory of a category

The proof of the pudding is in the eating!.

If I see another graph or table or even a number that represents a value(s) I’m going to scream .. its not about a viruses and values, so stop with the values that represent a virus that does not even EXIST.

Medical science has been highjacked by the criminals and taken to a remote island where they are consuming our world while we are all asleep.

They value cases of course they do, cases means money and money means power. CO2 %ages in the atmosphere means money, X degrees atmospheric warming means money, X biodiversity loss means money, X visitors to a national park means money and money means power.

How easy has its been for the criminals that are our politicians, their advisors and their corporate supports to highjack the science?

Oh wait I forgot ………. T H E E D U C A T O R S

..a piece of cake….

229184 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 51, #106 of 2064 🔗

We just lost a battle in a war

We have not lost the war

Keep the faith

The policies of locking up the people and inflicting economic hardship on them are doomed

Ok, we are living under a regime that has outdone communist East Germany in its oppression of its people, but as one crumbled so will the other

Our cause is truth and justice

We will prevail

229204 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Cecil B, 16, #107 of 2064 🔗

Berlin wall went up in 1961 and wasn’t taken down until 1989.

229223 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Jo, 17, #108 of 2064 🔗

True, but it was taken down. Evil can be overcome. The tectonic stresses are building and when the walls of evil collapse, they collapse quickly. Keep the faith.

229261 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, 7, #109 of 2064 🔗

They has the benefit of access to Western media so knew protests were taking place elsewhere and regimes crumbling one by one.
We will not be so informed.

229265 ▶▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to karenovirus, 17, #110 of 2064 🔗

The internet is one of the main forces for controlling the population in this situation. The government needs it to gaslight people. If it goes down, we will not know what the latest rules are or the latest case count. The population is encouraged to self-police with it. It must continue to function.

We might actually be better off if it went down. Everyone would come out of their houses, eyes blinking in the daylight. Life would return to the real normal.

Even the Chinese cannot fully censor their version of the internet. We will be informed.

229339 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to ConstantBees, 9, #111 of 2064 🔗

Our overlords don’t need to censor all of the internet, they only need to censor the first page of the Google search results.

Something only exists if Google says it does.

229727 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Mabel Cow, 5, #112 of 2064 🔗

Many people are now using alternative search engines.

229805 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to JohnB, 5, #113 of 2064 🔗

Yep I switched to duckduckgo

230061 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Mabel Cow, 4, #114 of 2064 🔗

You still use Google? Wow. Add DuckDuckGo or StartPage to the search engines on your browser. Copy my previous sentence and then search with it. You will learn how to change your search engine. Google collects your search history and uses it in all sorts of nefarious ways. The two search engines I mentioned don’t.

Google is not the only game in town.

230119 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to ConstantBees, 4, #115 of 2064 🔗

Know thine enemy. Google is the window on the world for the norms.

Depending on what I’m doing, I use one of four different browsers, three different search engines, and a VPN with endpoints in nine countries. All of my browsers are configured for automatic history and cookie clearance, and I have extension buttons for instant wipe that I use pretty much after reading each article.

And whatever I do, I assume my computer and the websites I use have already been compromised. This site, for example. I would be astonished GCHQ didn’t have real-time access to every comment and full access to the MySQL database that the site is stored on, and consequently know the identity of every user here.

229936 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Suze Burtenshaw, replying to ConstantBees, 2, #116 of 2064 🔗

Don’t worry, there won’t be enough electricity available to power tablets and computers because we’ll all be busy charging up our electric cars….

229262 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Jo, 12, #117 of 2064 🔗

Yes, and that’s much of my lifespan. I was 5 when it was put up. I lived my whole life (in America at that point) hearing how powerful the communists were and how we had to devote lots of resources to fighting them, yada yada yada. And then, in the end, the whole thing just collapsed. I may not live long enough to see the end of this, but that doesn’t mean that it is time to give up.

229438 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Jo, 11, #118 of 2064 🔗

When I lived in (west) Berlin, the Wall was still up. I was a frequent visitor to the East, ie Russian Sector, which had a feel to it; no buzz, brutalist structures, propaganda posters. Police very visible. Palpable fear of snitching. You knew you had to be very careful with what you said and did.
thankfully that will never happen here in free Britain – I thought.

229221 ▶▶ annie, replying to Cecil B, 15, #119 of 2064 🔗

Well said. Stick with it. Never surrender. Hearts up.

229266 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to annie, 8, #120 of 2064 🔗

Got my Stay Sane badge on!

229275 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cecil B, 10, #121 of 2064 🔗

Agree. We are seeing more and more people wake up now all we need is for everyone to do the same.

230064 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #122 of 2064 🔗

Don’t even need everyone, just a critical mass.

229326 ▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to Cecil B, 35, #123 of 2064 🔗

As somebody who was a child under Soviet communism I know what tyranny is like

We are witnessing it now in my adopted home. State broadcaster blaring out lies, economy in doldrums, dreary lines in the shops which have limited choice ( and priority access for party members – sorry NHS staff), neighbours snitching on each other. Arbitrary and cruel police enforcement and an external bogey man to frighten you.

Really saddened that my adopted Britain has sunk to this

But – All tyrannies eventually fall – keep looking for truth, keep testing facts, keep challenging lies

229729 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Aslangeo, 4, #124 of 2064 🔗

Yep, the tests/cases/deaths statistics look very like ‘tractor production figures. 🙂

231070 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Aslangeo, 1, #125 of 2064 🔗

So glad to have your confirmation we are right to be concerned.

229653 ▶▶ EllGee, replying to Cecil B, 15, #126 of 2064 🔗

I’m not too depressed about it this morning. I was yesterday afternoon but already today a friend who hardly left her home during the first lockdown has rung and suggested a (discreet) getting together next week. My daughter, who has a total believing husband, has sent a message saying we’ll meet up on Sunday. Last time-to keep the peace at her house-we didn’t meet up for six weeks. Her husband is okay with it this time. My neighbour who isolated for 7 weeks in the Spring has already been out to discuss what a right load of rubbish it all is to do it now.
Appreciate it’s only small things but it’s all these little things together that’ll make a difference in the long run

229812 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to EllGee, 4, #127 of 2064 🔗

Same around here too. Quite a few people out and about today. Very angry too.

229186 chaos, replying to chaos, 12, #128 of 2064 🔗

The Davos Democrats have taken the USA.. Chinese hegemony is a terrifying prospect. And Brexit? Brexit is over folks. Davos Boris had no intention of delivering it.. you can’t leave a European Union only to enter a Marxist Faux Green Technocratic Global Union and claim you are now soveriegn. No. Brexit will be regressed back to remain.. whilst the Great Reset continues to take shape.

Oh well.. small dose of antideps just now.. I had managed to come off them again and was kinda doingt ok. They make me aggressive.. almost dangerously so. But hey.. I’m under house arrest so lockdown and mask gestapo are safe.. for now. People can come to my house to do jobs, but friends can’t visit… people can go to work and school but friends can’t visit.. and at the end of lockdown, whenever that may be.. we come out one by one in tiers…

HANDS FACE SPACE
SEE NO EVIL HEAR NO EVIL SPEAK NO EVIL …PLOT NO EVIL

What a perculiar world and country we now live in. And here iin the UK it was done with a tory government…

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8914373/Police-ARREST-qualified-nurse-trying-97-year-old-mother-care-home.html

229187 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to chaos, 16, #129 of 2064 🔗

It’s not over. And try to avoid the anti-d’s.Dependency will give them enemies of Mankind aa weapons to use against you.

229192 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Londo Mollari, 5, #130 of 2064 🔗

Just going small on dose for a couple of days like before.. they work very fast on me. I will ramp up the more natural stuff like glycine and inositol and magnesium and beta-alanine…

229226 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Londo Mollari, 5, #131 of 2064 🔗

Absolutely.
We are mankind. It’s a trust. Don’t betray it.

229190 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to chaos, 16, #132 of 2064 🔗

No, it’s not over yet; there’s a huge legal battle coming in the USA.

The guys at UK Column News said this was going to happen; they even named the states in which it would happen. Worth a watch where they show their predictions, which have now come true.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbJkNhuvdFA

231076 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Ceriain, #133 of 2064 🔗

I saw Steve Bannon predicting and discussing this whole scenario – a close result and Trump seizing the narrative early on to Democrat governors delivering corrupt results – several days before the result while polls were still giving Biden a landslide victory.,

230118 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to chaos, 3, #134 of 2064 🔗

We should not really be surprised it happened under a Tory government. The tories have always been scum…and I am not on the Left! The Tory Party has no ideology of its own except self interest and power. Its needs to be destroyed once and for all.

230524 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Borisbullshit, 1, #135 of 2064 🔗

Boris-

This sounds exactly like the Democratic party in the US.

230193 ▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to chaos, 1, #136 of 2064 🔗

I have been out and about today and there is a normal amount of traffic on the roads and people seem to be going about their normal business.

230520 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to chaos, 1, #137 of 2064 🔗

Trump is on record that he will only concede a FAIR election.

It is blatantly obvious we do not have any thing close to that.

At a minimum we must stand fast as he and his team fight this to the end.

The Dems have already committed to several actions that are violations of US state, federal, electoral, and Constitutional law.

229189 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 30, #138 of 2064 🔗

The full apparatus of a totalitarian state will now be brought down on the heads of the people

The dictator will need to use ever increasing levels of violence to suppress us

There are 100,000 police officers and over 60m of us

At the moment it works because they pick us off one by one

‘ We’ve spent a long time waiting but change is gonna come’

229200 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Cecil B, 31, #139 of 2064 🔗

“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?… The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If…if…We didn’t love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation…. We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”
Alexander Solzhenitysn – The Gulag Archipelago

229371 ▶▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Londo Mollari, 10, #140 of 2064 🔗

I have that book on my shelves. I have read parts of it and it is a terrible book. I mean that in the sense that it terrified me, not that it was badly written; if anything I think it was understated. Solzhenitsyn hints at that in his introduction, where he apologises for not remembering all those who were murdered, enslaved or tortured. One of the amazing things that came out of ‘The World at War’ were pictures of the GERMANS being welcomed as they invaded Soviet Russia. Another thing, often forgotten, is the Katyn massacre where thousands of Poles were murdered. At the Nuremberg Trials the Soviets attempted to blame the Germans for that but could not.
But the key phrase there is ‘We didn’t love freedom enough’.
Do we?

229711 ▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to Cecil B, 6, #141 of 2064 🔗

Even the police are rebelling. UK column mentioned the 70 police in NSW Australia who said they would not be enforcing vaccine mandates on the population. Toby had the link a couple of days ago. We need more police to join the movement, and the army as well. After all, they are just people with families like everybody else.

229196 Rosie, replying to Rosie, 24, #142 of 2064 🔗

Distress and fury must drive us to action not to dispair. What a shame that the guy who was kidnapped ended suddenly on dispair. That will merely ensure that everyone’s worst nightmares come to pass.

Yesterday we discussed the four basic responses of fight or flight, freeze or fawn.

We are not as individuals powerless in the way we respond. We have nowhere to run to but can choose between fawning compliance, or frozen despair and acceptance, or fighting this obscenity all day every day.

For the sake of all you hold dear, Lookdown Sceptics, choose fight.

229199 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Rosie, 9, #143 of 2064 🔗

Agree.

229202 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Rosie, 11, #144 of 2064 🔗

Paul Chandler, great essay, except the final two words. If you read this please get a grip and work out how to undermine the government while we still have a window of opportunity.

Here’s a task for you. Testing. In itself it’s dangerous. Research that and use your public profile to alert people and try to get the medical profession to speak out.

Not to mention that many need cancer tests but we don’t need tests for a flu type virus. There’s too little attention given to the evils of testing in itself.

Resist every step of the way!

229287 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Rosie, 10, #145 of 2064 🔗

Rosie, all four of those are immediate responses to trauma. For those not familiar with the fawn response, I think this article describes a lot of the fawning response we see around us:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/addiction-and-recovery/202008/understanding-fight-flight-freeze-and-the-fawn-response

All four responses come from the amygdala in the brain. As human beings, when we are presented with a traumatic situation, we experience what’s called “ amygdata hijacking “. Responding with one of the four Fs, as they’re often called, means that we are responding from fear or anger, not from our prefrontal cortex, the rational part of the mind.

This is why those of us with histories of trauma are often taught techniques to get past the amygdala hijacking (also called “emotional flashbacks” for those with a trauma history). On this board, we see suggestions to go walk the dog (outside in nature with an animal who is unaffected by the traumatic situation). Or get away from this forum, which in itself can be triggering because of the traumatic information we read. Or relax and do something else for a while. Whatever.

The point is if you respond with one of the four Fs, you are responding from fear or anger. These are hard to sustain for long periods of time. Taking time to calm and focus yourself leads to more productive responses.

Apologies for going on at length, but I think my experiences with PTSD and complex PTSD are directly relevant to our situation and our response.

229425 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to ConstantBees, 4, #146 of 2064 🔗

Hi, perhaps we can gain here by talking privately?
What I write also emerges from c-ptsd, an extreme case I might add, merely for context. But I’ve never had the kind of instruction that you have received and so we can perhaps have a constructive dialogue and work out the best way to present this information. The way I look at it has helped me tremendously, and others I’ve talked to informally. That the basic human/animal response is a great driving force we can harness, once modified by the upper brain. Rather than the amygdala being a problem, when it is richly connected up with the rest of the nervous system, it’s a part of the solution. Walking with dogs in this outlook is part of the connecting process, knitting together our animal and human nature/nervous systems and body.
Was it you and me who mentioned the vagus nerve together?
I’ve been trying to locate someone to discuss strategies for debrainwashing the population, and agree that the majority has been forced into PTSD.

230097 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Rosie, 1, #147 of 2064 🔗

No, it wasn’t me who mentioned the vagus nerve, although I know why you talked about it.

In my probably less than humble opinion, people do not recover from gaslighting and narcissistic abuse until they are ready, even in this case. That is up to the individual person. Some people even get stuck in the recovery phase and never truly escape, even though they think they did.

I didn’t recover until I was in my 60s, so not long ago, after finally meeting someone who unintentionally showed me what I was doing to myself. Nothing that I did up to that point helped me long-term.

I did not have formal “instruction”, as you put it. I started following Richard Grannon on YouTube in 2015. Eventually I took a couple of his courses and found my own way out. Mostly, it consisted of building proper mental boundaries, learning how to manage emotional flashbacks, and how to recognise when I am fawning. I think Richard’s most recent video, 2020: protect your mindset could be of use to those of us who are feeling stressed by our current situation.

While I understand your desire to do so, I don’t feel responsible for “debrainwashing the population”. I think this will have to be a one-to-one and not a mass movement. I don’t know how people can contact each other through this site and I’m afraid I’m not willing to post an email address here.

229355 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Rosie, 3, #148 of 2064 🔗

Support groups are needed when taking on local hitlers. Neighbours, young and old, here in the countryside dismiss us as imbeciles and even those who once upon a time gave the impression of being very good friends do not respond to emails laying out the dangers of mask wearing.

229448 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to PastImperfect, 2, #149 of 2064 🔗

Indeed, and we need to find them quickly for our own sakes.
Yesterday I went out and about, helped by my leaflet, and came across two sets of people.
One group of three I found because they were unmuzzled and I gave the a friendly greeting, we all paused and looked at one another, “Are you in ” … some group I’d not heard of. So hugs all around which set me up again.

Later I went along the river saying Would you like my leaflet? And getting no mostly, when a guy suddenly saw what it was about. We talked for two hours and will be attending the Cenotaph on Sunday with his friends.

There’s an effort going on to network up small local groups together. The small group are in one WhatsApp group, and the person who set up that group is in another regional group. That’s the plan even though ‘our type’ of people tend not to like social media, this format really is a good one for easy going chat, encouragement and support.

229660 ▶▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Rosie, 2, #150 of 2064 🔗

I think I saw you yesterday on the Southbank close to the Anchor pub. I was sitting on the next bench along ( tall, glasses ,pinstripe suit, burgundy army greatcoat). Wanted to say hello but you were in deep conversation. Glad you had a good day out. I’m trying to spread the word at my workplace and I’m already know as the ”sceptic”. Keep up the good work.

229827 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Thomas_E, 1, #151 of 2064 🔗

Hi Yes, that will have been me. I was deep in conversation. Sorry I missed you. Another time don’t be shy, just come and say hello.

I’m not accustomed to keeping an eye on who else is around, but I suppose that is something else we must learn quickly. Visited Albania in ? 1988, within months of it opening up to foreigners. Managed to have several brief conversations with locals, their eyes were everywhere watching out for who could be overhearing. Been watching us go the same way….at my allotment holding conversation behind the hand, even three years ago.

229740 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Rosie, 1, #152 of 2064 🔗

Freezing and fawning are physically bad for us too – the adrenaline (and other hormones) flooding our systems need to be used or they turn nasty. Action – leafletting, marching, walking the dog, gardening, sawing logs, etc. – uses up the substances our bodies create.

229828 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to JohnB, 1, #153 of 2064 🔗

Too right. Those stress hormones need to be burned up via action.

229197 Mark H, replying to Mark H, 71, #154 of 2064 🔗

Re. masks being worn in schools.

In Scotland, the government’s guidance is for all S4-S6 pupils to wear a mask at all times. That means in the corridors, which was already the “rule”, but now also while in the classroom.

I asked my daughter, 16, if she’d be wearing one. She replied, “no chance”. But, of course, she’s caved and she now does. She said the school’s headteacher tours the classrooms to enforce this.

My daughter had her masked pulled down below her nose. The headteacher entered her classroom, spotted this, and demanded she cover her nose.

The headteacher’s analogy to support this demand is that it’s like a man walking around with his penis poking out of his trousers. Let that sink in.

A man walking around with his cock out is committing an act of public indecent exposure.

This is equated with a 16 year old girl having her nose – which is part of her fucking face – visible above a mask. The noses of 16 year old kids are publicly indecent.

229201 ▶▶ ColoradoGirl, replying to Mark H, 24, #155 of 2064 🔗

No words.

229456 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to ColoradoGirl, 7, #156 of 2064 🔗

This is for Mabel Cow…

Don’t forget to remind the head about his personal duty of care under the Common Law and serve him with some articles setting out the health dangers of masks. Send by email and recorded delivery so he can’t deny he got it.

It’s the Common Law that puts them under notice that they can’t hide behind the Just following the government guidelines excuse. These people need to be helped to wake up.

Margareta Griesz-Brisson is devastating on the brain damage from masks. Then continue to push for your child to attend, to up the pressure on him.

229503 ▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Rosie, 3, #157 of 2064 🔗

The trouble with the duty-of-care approach is that if the headmaster truly believes that masks work, and truly believes that SARS-CoV-2 is a deadly agent, then he would likely use the duty-of-care argument as a reason to enforce muzzling, rather than accept it as a reason to do otherwise. He would probably argue that infection by the muzzle was the lesser of two evils.

And even if he is not a true believer, he has the fig leaf of government recommendation to cover his ass. I did think about suggesting that he ask one of his history teachers to explain Nuremberg Principle IV to him, but frankly I’m done talking to him.

I’ve given the calf control of the education budget and I’ve told her to decide for herself where she wants to spend it. If she thinks that education by YouTube is the best way forward for her, so be it. To be honest, I’m just happy that I don’t have to get up to drive her to school any more.

229652 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Mabel Cow, 3, #158 of 2064 🔗

If you are planning a school visit then, as a teacher, you will need to complete a several page risk assessment. The mere fact that no such risk assessment has been done will count against the head in any future legal action. My view: usual disclaimers apply.

229210 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Mark H, 37, #159 of 2064 🔗

If we ever win this thing, that headteacher should be sacked, prosecuted and never allowed near a child again. Should be put on a register.

229228 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Jo, 9, #160 of 2064 🔗

Create a Twitter account. Name her and the school. Send it to key people and they will call her out.

229216 ▶▶ Emily Tock, replying to Mark H, 31, #161 of 2064 🔗

That is straight up mental abuse. This headteacher needs to be taken to court. I moved my 17-year old to Ireland to homeschool with me because there was a mask mandate at his school in New York. We are lucky that I am able to work from home and can do this logistically, but what about the many who are not in a position to do this?

229230 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Emily Tock, 10, #162 of 2064 🔗

Agree. Abuse.

229245 ▶▶▶▶ Nicky, replying to Country Mumkin, 17, #163 of 2064 🔗

Also agree. This is a potential safeguarding issue. I used to work in children’s (and vulnerable adults) services. This should be reported to the local safeguarding team for investigation. Wholly inappropriate.

229239 ▶▶ annie, replying to Mark H, 10, #164 of 2064 🔗

The on,ply obscene element in this story is the head teacher.

229258 ▶▶ John Smith, replying to Mark H, 8, #165 of 2064 🔗

You should remove her from school.

229356 ▶▶ LS99, replying to Mark H, 7, #166 of 2064 🔗

Her nose is also part of her breathing apparatus!

229373 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Mark H, 6, #167 of 2064 🔗

Page 7 of https://pdmj.org/Mask_Risks_Part2.pdf
Statement at the bottom of the page is very revealing – attached image is taken from link.

229392 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Mark H, 24, #168 of 2064 🔗

My calf’s school imposed mandatory muzzling this week.

We claimed exemption on the grounds of mental distress, but the headmaster said he didn’t believe us and that he would not permit calf to attend school without a mask.

Additionally, despite me asking on three occasions for a written statement of the school’s position on face covering exemption, I have received no such statement. Each time the headmaster simply ignored the request, instead preferring to demand that we send medical evidence as grounds for an exemption.

Naturally, I have provided him with chapter and verse on the law and the government’s own position on exemptions (i.e. that exemptions should be respected) and that medical evidence is not required, but his response has continued to be that because it is an independent (fee-paying) school, he has the sole right to determine which rules apply, without reference to the Department for Education.

Personally I was ready to pull the plug then and there, but calf has just started GCSEs and she is worried that she’ll be left behind if we switch to home schooling.

Fortunately, the headmaster took the golden bridge I offered him and agreed to allow calf to work remotely until the mask edict was lifted. So now she just uses Teams.

I can’t say I’m overjoyed at spunking up all that cash so that calf can basically be taught by YouTube, but it’s cheap at the price if it keeps the poison rag off her face.

And ironically, kids who actually physically attend the school are all sitting in the same room, wearing masks, being taught remotely by a teacher who is sitting in a different room. You couldn’t make it up.

229737 ▶▶▶ TT, replying to Mabel Cow, 4, #169 of 2064 🔗

Sorry to hear about that revolting kind of abuse of power. That said, I’m not surprised: I was glad to read on these pages about how exemptions were at least being respected in the UK until now, as we here in Belgium (as in France) can only dream the same would apply for us. They don’t give a toss about possible reasons to not wear a mask here and won’t allow you to claim exemptions on any ground. I still haven’t heard of anyone who asked for a medical certificate from a GP to be declared exempt, don’t know if that is even still theoretically possible, but in any case good luck obtaining one. Even for asthmatics, the general trend is that it “isn’t that bad” to wear the horrid thing all day long.

229444 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Mark H, 17, #170 of 2064 🔗

And there are still people who believe the evil of the Nazis could “never have happened here”

229599 ▶▶ peter, replying to Mark H, 6, #171 of 2064 🔗

That head teacher really needs their head kicked in. It’s the only way to re-educate these neo-bolsheviks.

229667 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to peter, 2, #172 of 2064 🔗

Agreed…

229758 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to peter, 1, #173 of 2064 🔗

That head teacher really needs their head kicked in.

That’s the phrase I was looking for ! 🙂

229661 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Mark H, 2, #174 of 2064 🔗

Jobsworth cunt!

230281 ▶▶ richmond, replying to Mark H, 1, #175 of 2064 🔗

Dr Margareta Griesz-Brisson. Bitchute.

230483 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Mark H, 1, #176 of 2064 🔗

Mark-

I have seen the same equivalence drawn with political cartoons and shaming posters in my part of the US.

229203 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 11, #177 of 2064 🔗

News from just one state that Trump is likely to win, despite Fox calling it for Biden. Even the awful Maddow Creature realises that this is a possibility. https://rumble.com/vaxwtb-rachel-maddows-reaction-to-realizing-trump-could-win-arizona-is-classic-oh-.html?mref=22lbp&mc=56yab

229292 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Londo Mollari, -7, #178 of 2064 🔗

Not relevant to our immediate situation. Please stick to the issue at hand: lockdowns in the UK.

229418 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to ConstantBees, 3, #179 of 2064 🔗

If it so simple to find ”votes’ in a process as scrutinized as an election, just think how easy it must be to find ‘cases’.

230107 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to calchas, #180 of 2064 🔗

Good answer. Thank you.

229761 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to ConstantBees, #181 of 2064 🔗

I think it’s very relevant. Just scroll past, CB.

230113 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to JohnB, #182 of 2064 🔗

I’ve been doing that a lot. As an American, I do struggle when people catastrophise about presidential elections. The first time I heard the world was going to end was when Ronald Reagan was elected. It didn’t then, it won’t now.

229205 chaos, replying to chaos, 17, #183 of 2064 🔗

Dementia Davos Biden got more votes than Obama.. in fact he got the most votes of any democratic candidate ever.

Definitely nothing fishy.

229215 ▶▶ Emily Tock, replying to chaos, 5, #184 of 2064 🔗

I am not a Trump supporter – I haven’t voted for either of the big parties for several election cycles, but I will say that UN election observers would have multiple grounds to invalidate US elections. I am a US citizen living in Ireland. I registered for an absentee vote. I was sent a link to download my absentee ballot, print it off and post it to my county election board. I did this in August. In the middle of September, I then received a paper ballot sent to me in Ireland. This happened with my son who also lives in Ireland and another son who lives Canada. I contacted my county election board, who informed me that they wanted to make sure my vote was counted, hence the mailed ballot and the downloadable ballot. If I had sent in the additional mailed ballot, would it also have been counted? What kind of auditing procedures exist in NY? (FYI I had recently changed my registration from Non-affiliated to Democrat so that I could vote in the NY primary. I changed it back to non-affiliated after I registered for an absentee ballot.) I didn’t bother to ask as it was an email exchange, and I didn’t feel like making the poor election worker’s life any more miserable than I’m sure it already is – NY always goes Democratic. I am not saying definitively that NY was trying to stuff the ballot box. What I am saying is that there are vast areas and instances of election irregularities that have been occurring for many years in the US – just look at the Iowa Democratic caucus fiasco or the 100,000 people in the Bronx (where Sanders is from) that were struck off the NY voting register just in time for the Democratic primary in 2016. I would estimate that the US has not had legitimate primaries or elections since I was born.

229768 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Emily Tock, 1, #185 of 2064 🔗

Wasn’t NY where Tammany Hall was located ? 🙂 Vote often, Emily.

229208 Adamb, replying to Adamb, 36, #186 of 2064 🔗

The questions from Francis Hoar hit the nail absolutely on the head and should be pressed repeatedly until they are properly addressed by the relevant people.

I’m feeling less pessimistic now. The grounds for lockdown this time are so obviously flaky and the dissent sufficiently vocal that I think this will be the last throw of the dice. I expect rules to be widely flouted this time around as well.

229213 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Adamb, 14, #187 of 2064 🔗

I wish I could share your reduction of pessimism. I was glad to see Theresa May abstained rather than voted for, but given what she said, she should have voted against. And she has refused my request to meet with me as “surgeries are currently on hold”.

229405 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Jo, 3, #188 of 2064 🔗

Abstention is dereliction of duty. Vote, or lose your seat. What the hell else are they being paid for?

229623 ▶▶▶▶ James007, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #189 of 2064 🔗

Agreed. Her speech was good, and given that she is never returning to front line politics – what did she have to loose?

231069 ▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Jo, #190 of 2064 🔗

Her speech and subsequent abstention was pure venomous cake- and- eat- it politicking – get a personal & public dig in at johnson and still not displease her NWO paymasters – vile scum

229211 Lucan Grey, replying to Lucan Grey, 10, #191 of 2064 🔗

Did nobody make a Gunpowder plot reference in the debate?

Not one?

Is that another part of our heritage that has disappeared.

229267 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Lucan Grey, -3, #192 of 2064 🔗

Unfortunately the gunpowder plot involved the establishment i.e. it was a false flag. The king had men lead Guy Fawkes into the plot… a kind of Hitler buring the Reichstag to blame the Russians or Nero setting fire to Rome to blame the christians.. in order that the protestant king could point the finger at the catholics. History is written by the victors. Sometimes it gets rewritten and school history books then reveal the actual truth. Some lies have an obvious time limit… if 100 years later we still haven’t gone back to the moon, that too may be rewritten to reflect the truth. Beheadings anyone?

229306 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to chaos, 4, #193 of 2064 🔗

This is complete bunk. The Gunpowder Plot was a Catholic plot. It was organised by Robert Catesby. The evidence for its authenticity is beyond doubt.

229488 ▶▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Steve Hayes, #194 of 2064 🔗

Nope. History books clearly talk of the possibility that Guy Fawkes was set up by protestants close to the king. Have you read a history book recently? Moron.

229771 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Lucan Grey, #195 of 2064 🔗

Have happily set off some air bombs this morning, LG.

229212 TheBigman, replying to TheBigman, 6, #196 of 2064 🔗

AT LEAST YOUR NOT IN SCOTLAND!

Scotland the brave we are not.

This has to be fought. This is Orwellian as it comes and it won’t stop here.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-54812972

229441 ▶▶ GorbalsGirl, replying to TheBigman, 8, #197 of 2064 🔗

What else could we reasonably expect from a kranky party that claims that men in dresses become women at their say-so or that private dinner-table conversations should be surveilled by the state? As long as the English taxpayer foots the bill for her decadent war on the Scottish economy, Wee Nippy will do as she pleases. And it pleases her greatly to play Dear Leader to her gang of woke Saltire cultists, clomping around in her tartan heels with her Hitler hairdo, pretending to be someone that matters.

Naw, hen. You lead a glorified cooncil and talk nothing but pish, and anybody with a brain in Scotland stopped listening to you when you tried to fit up Alex Salmond on false sex pest charges that should see YOU being jailed for corruption in high office and perjury, you evil scheming hag.

I couldn’t care less what Krankie’s daft laws say. I will go where I please because the UK is a free country and I will not be terrorised by an auld witch like her who should soon be in the jail herself.

229455 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to GorbalsGirl, 2, #198 of 2064 🔗

She was (ludicrously) asked what she thinks of the US election at the coronavirus press conference. Came up with some guff, ironically, about respecting the vote. A better question would be: some southern states voted 60/40 for Trump – are they being taken out of a Trump presidency “against their will”.

230403 ▶▶▶▶ GorbalsGirl, replying to kf99, #199 of 2064 🔗

Good point. Seems the auld bag is all for Scottish separatism but not for respecting the democratic wishes of the Southern states to be governed as they so choose!

It also seems odd that she thinks voting for her party of malcontents, madheads and malingerers should be a ‘democratic mandate’ for Scottish independence – but that simultaneously governments should be able to impose dictats mandate-free on the electorate and ignore UK citizens’ democratic rights whenever they wish!

She’s a mad auld boot.

229214 Tim Bidie, 7, #200 of 2064 🔗

Guess what (you’ll never get this one….)?

Which common cold virus is just as deadly as influenza to the elderly and infirm but less so to youngsters?

No idea? Okay….

No deaths were recorded in children; 5.8% of adults with HCoV (common human coronaviruses) monoinfection died, compared with 4.2% of those with influenza monoinfection ( P = .23). The risk of pneumonia was nonsignificantly lower in children with HCoV than in those with influenza, but these risks were similarly high in adults.’

https://academic.oup.com/jid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/infdis/jiaa477/5882014

A bolt from the blue…….or not really…….?

229217 paologrigio, replying to paologrigio, 11, #201 of 2064 🔗

Theresa May rightly pointing out no data on the lockdown, but Huw Merriman asking Johnson how he can be sure more lives are being saved by lockdown than it’s costing is the crux. As Johnson stated. But then didn’t give any evidence to say how the government has taken steps to ensure they’ve made their best attempt at getting the balance right. Then all bar the few rebels, they all vote along party lines. To protect the party. This transcends politics though. This is about us as human beings. When will these politicians appreciate they are humans first & politicians second? (Don’t say it!)

229229 ▶▶ annie, replying to paologrigio, 4, #202 of 2064 🔗

Humans? Certainly not. Politicians? Well, servile ones, certainly.

229460 ▶▶ kf99, replying to paologrigio, 1, #203 of 2064 🔗

Hugh Merriman was very good. Never heard of him before.

229792 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to kf99, 1, #204 of 2064 🔗

Some friends, who live in is constituency, put a lot of effort into ensuring he was properly informed on matters of statistics, the economy, public heath, and civil liberties. Great people.

230660 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to JohnB, #205 of 2064 🔗

I’ve tried to do that with my MP. Stony ground!

229218 Recusant, replying to Recusant, 9, #206 of 2064 🔗

Question: if someone who is dying of a particular disease (let’s say a respiratory disease) catches Covid in hospital and dies within 28 days of the test (which they were doing anyway), are they counted as a Covid death? Is it possible to know how many of the current deaths fall into this category?

229227 ▶▶ annie, replying to Recusant, 11, #207 of 2064 🔗

From what I gather, yes, certainly it will be, and no, it isn’t, because they lie.

229231 ▶▶ dpj, replying to Recusant, 9, #208 of 2064 🔗

As each day goes by I am suspecting that the majority are in this category. All the stats seem to be indicating that deaths from all causes is at a similar level to previous years (and has been since June) so it is entirely conceivable that there is just a rebranding exercise going on and in general everything is normal.

229613 ▶▶▶ peter, replying to dpj, 2, #209 of 2064 🔗

We’ve been saying that about the covid hoax since April

229941 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to dpj, 2, #210 of 2064 🔗

Yes , there may be 600 “Covid” deaths in a day . Of those perhaps 200 will be false positives or be asymptomatic, in other words nothing much to do with Covid. Perhaps another 200 will be respiratory disease but with plenty of other pathogens involved eg flu virus. Perhaps 200 will be principally Covid but a substantial number will have first fallen ill a month or more ago, so nothing to do with any recent rise in cases. ,

229242 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Recusant, 10, #211 of 2064 🔗

Many deaths have multiple causes listed, when my mum died there were 3 causes listed on the Death Certificate. The ONS then has to work out how to record these multiple causes. With most of these reports of Covid deaths they are reports of registered deaths where Covid was included on the Death Certificate even though the death certificate may well have also listed Stroke or Alzheimer’s or Heart disease.
Years ago many deaths certificates included Bronchitis or Pneumonia as one of the death causes these now seem to have been replaced by Covid.

229451 ▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Recusant, 3, #212 of 2064 🔗

There are two different ways of counting deaths in use. PHE count number of deaths in hospital from any cause where there has been a positive test result in the past 28 days. ONS count number of deaths anywhere for which Covid has been named as a cause on the death certificate.

In principle a death certificate should not name Covid as a cause unless the doctor signing it has good reason to believe that it was indeed the case. The PHE figures are essentially administrative. Hospitals want to keep track of patients with Covid in order to keep them separate from patients without Covid, so they tend to have good numbers for that, so they can keep track of beds. That’s not the same as counting patients being treated for Covid, of course.

The government tends to quote the PHE numbers, possibly because they are easier to get hold of and so more up to date. Or possibly for other reasons.

229665 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Recusant, 1, #213 of 2064 🔗

They are even counting in hospice deaths.

230542 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Recusant, 1, #214 of 2064 🔗

In the US the official CDC blanket policy is to count, “deaths with Covid,” as, “deaths from Covid.”

Oddly enough, normal seasonal US flu deaths have completely vanished.

229222 Nicky, replying to Nicky, 23, #215 of 2064 🔗

I did write to our local MP. Did not get a response and see his name is not in the ‘roll of honour’. I will not be voting for him or his party again, as I said in the email. Time to look at the new emerging parties a lot more closely. Shame on the politicians.

229224 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to Nicky, 4, #216 of 2064 🔗

Same

229377 ▶▶▶ Censored Dog, replying to Adam, 1, #218 of 2064 🔗

Reform UK too when they get started.

229278 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Nicky, 5, #219 of 2064 🔗

Ditto. My MP is as useful as a chocolate teapot. At least when I wrote to both Sir Desmond Sway & Richard Drax, I got replies – a short one from the former and an acknowledgement via a minion from the latter.

230226 ▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #220 of 2064 🔗

I am convinced the only way of this is through the Reform Party.

Yesterday was the most dispiriting day so far.

We have a rogue government, yet the Queen, the Armed Forces and the Police stand by and do nothing.

229349 ▶▶ Kathryn, replying to Nicky, 1, #221 of 2064 🔗

Same here, and I will be writing to tell her so

229593 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Nicky, 1, #222 of 2064 🔗

Time to look at the new emerging parties a lot more closely.

Indeed

229846 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Victoria, #223 of 2064 🔗

I like the look of Reclaim.

231072 ▶▶ dommo, replying to Nicky, #224 of 2064 🔗

same here

229225 Country Mumkin, 3, #225 of 2064 🔗

The testing site description is excellent.

229232 annie, replying to annie, 11, #226 of 2064 🔗

Well, we already know whose fault it will be when this round of arbitrary incarceration fails to ‘work’:

Boris, as reported in the DM:

“Boris Johnson has stressed in recent days that compliance with the Government’s Covid-19 rules will determine the effectiveness of the national shutdown.”

Better look out that yellow star and book your place in the cattle truck.

229237 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to annie, 8, #227 of 2064 🔗

He is showing signs of the zeal of the convert to the Rockefeller Great Reset. From someone who ‘hated big government’ to the weak minded convert

229250 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Dan Clarke, 9, #228 of 2064 🔗

His Father worked for Rockerfeller and his teenage grilfriend works for Rockerfeller Oceana.org. He was always the wolf in clown’s clothing.

229248 ▶▶ chaos, replying to annie, 16, #229 of 2064 🔗

If we created yellow star lanyards en masse.. imagine the embarrassment for government..

More people should force their way into care homes.. more people should walk around hospitals and supermarkets and on trains and buses without masks. Have birthday parties for your kids.. have friends round.. have a party. Let’s embarrass the tory party to such an extent it is destroyed forever…

Look.. I’m educated.. but I have on occassion gone off the rails.. getting arrested is somewhat brutal (depending on how much resistance you offer).. but it is survivable. Offer no resistance and there will likely be no conviction. Never accept a caution (it’s a sneaky way of getting a conviction that appears on your DBS) and the CPS will drop the case. Be brave. Video events for as long as you can. We can embarrass the government by going public with the video in the press or on social media of being arrested for having a kid’s party, playing football in the park.. or for busting granny out of the care home..

229276 ▶▶▶ Scouse Sceptic, replying to chaos, 17, #230 of 2064 🔗

Just to add as a former police officer – ‘no comment’ in an interview is your best friend, and as you say never accept a caution. Be friendly and compliant enough but mouth shut is always the best option – amazing how many convictions are made solely on self incrimination, it’s precisely why a traffic officer will ask what speed you were doing when you get pulled over 🙂

229473 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Scouse Sceptic, 2, #231 of 2064 🔗

An officer was threatening to arrest me for not social distancing and I kept asking him to move further away from me. I didn’t get arrested but the guy standing next to me did. Not sure what he was saying.

229487 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Rosie, 4, #232 of 2064 🔗

Last time I looked, SD was not law. The police have even said they can’t enforce it. Has something changed?

229365 ▶▶ DRW, replying to annie, #233 of 2064 🔗

Behave or Christmas gets cancelled.

229878 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to annie, 2, #234 of 2064 🔗

Didn’t Witless say to Committe that the level of compliance on the part of the public was ex eptionally high. What he said is a Euphamism for ‘know ur place don’t question anything don’t protest or we’ll rain another more draconian shitshow on you.

229235 Dan Clarke, 11, #235 of 2064 🔗

As well as ‘the people are sovereign’, now being ignored, ‘first do no harm’, flouted, by the medical profession who have sat back while ill people were unable to get an appointment/or at best a remote appointment, now when the doctors voice their faux concern about this, as they are now, the obvious answer is that they must have known what would happen.

229238 ConstantBees, replying to ConstantBees, 5, #236 of 2064 🔗

Desmond Swayne’s latest blog post: Democracy?

https://www.desmondswaynemp.com/ds-blog/democracy/

229253 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to ConstantBees, 4, #237 of 2064 🔗

‘I am informed by my critics that I have failed to appreciate that the preservation of life itself is more important than liberty: ‘life at all costs’. Are they devastated when they die of something else because they are elderly and have serious underlying conditions, wailing we tried to protect you from Covid and you die

230241 ▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #238 of 2064 🔗

That’s because it is infinitely better to exist in a smothering cloud of totalitarian ‘safety’ as a mindless drone than to live with risk as a free man, accepting that death is inevitable and, for most of us, is unlikely to be pleasant.

229509 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to ConstantBees, 1, #239 of 2064 🔗

The last sentence points to our difficulty.

“Of course, disproportionately they come from a generation that made many sacrifices to defend liberty.”

The murder of President John Fitzgerald Kennedy marked the critical point that ended the gradual liberation of mankind from the chains of servitude.

230715 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to ConstantBees, #240 of 2064 🔗

Brilliant.

229240 sceptickat, replying to sceptickat, 2, #241 of 2064 🔗

A friend sent me this on facebook. Does anyone know if it is genuine? It looks like the gov.uk font and style etc, but I haven’t been able to find it online. If it’s true it’s alarming.

229289 ▶▶ mjr, replying to sceptickat, 3, #242 of 2064 🔗

it is a valid way of bulk testing with fewer tests. if you want to test 20 people. you swab all of them and then send them for analysis in groups of 5. Each group is analysed. If a group shows negative then you know all 5 are clear. If a group shows positive you test the individual members again to identify which members are positive. So if one person in 20 is positive you have identified which one with a reduced effort . i.e. 9 tests , not 20. And it is the analysis, not the swabbing, that is the bottleneck.

see here for more detail

229423 ▶▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to mjr, 2, #243 of 2064 🔗

Similar to bowel cancer screening test. However, do you anticipate they will separate out the positive individual/s or will the whole bulk sample to classed as positive?

229426 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to mjr, 2, #244 of 2064 🔗

It’s similar to a binary search .

229496 ▶▶▶ sceptickat, replying to mjr, #245 of 2064 🔗

Thanks for clarifying!

229246 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 2, #246 of 2064 🔗

Here’s the latest response from my MP, who clearly did not read my e-mail properly when I told her I did not want a response. The whole thing makes me shake with rage but the words in bold really annoyed me – “our livelihoods”? Not yours love. Though I am hopeful, in four years time when (hopefully) the still asleep electorate boot you out for good:

Thank you for your email regarding a national lockdown to halt the spread of Covid19; to ensure we protect the NHS and save lives.

I appreciate that this is incredibly difficult for everyone. I want to thank you for all the effort and sacrifice you and your families have made in what has been an unprecedented year.

I have had many constituents, business owners in particular contact me over the last few months wanting  eased restrictions because of the damage being done to the economy.  There have been many tales of redundancies and job losses and the government has done everything it could to try and reduce the impact on our livelihoods .  However, the advice we have received is that this lockdown is essential to protect lives.

The second coronavirus peak that we have seen around the world has shown us all that we are going to be dealing with the coronavirus for the long-term.

Scientific models suggest that unless we act now, we could see deaths over the winter that are twice as bad or more compared with the first wave. Faced with these latest figures, there is no alternative but to take further action at a national level.

I had hoped we could manage the situation with our regional system of alert levels and allow as many people to live as normal a life as possible.

From Thursday 5 November until the start of December, new national restrictions will be enshrined in law and expire after four weeks. Advice shows that this four-week period will bring R below 1. Any further national restrictions will need a further vote in Parliament.

At the end of four weeks, on Wednesday 2nd December, we will seek to ease restrictions, going back into the tiered system on a local and regional basis according to the latest data and trends.

Although cases are higher elsewhere in the country, the trend across the country is fast outreaching potential capacity in the NHS. In the last two weeks there has been a rise in the incidence of the virus. The number of coronavirus patients in hospital has increased by 77 per cent; the number of patients in ventilator beds is up by nearly 60 per cent; and that means some parts of the country are now approaching 90 per cent ventilator capacity.

If the NHS were to be overwhelmed, it would mean non-Covid cases and critically important surgeries and treatments cancelled and many left without treatment.

Fortunately, we are better placed than in the Spring to respond to this wave, but we each have to do our bit to bring the R rate down.

229264 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to kh1485, 23, #247 of 2064 🔗

I fired off this reply:

I am pretty sure I asked in my last e-mail for you not to respond. It would also have been courteous to use my title rather than my full name. But bearing in mind the increasingly totalitarian nature of your government, I suppose I should not be surprised that such niceties are not observed.

I have no interest in the latest round of excuses you people have for decimating liberty; livelihoods (not “our” livelihoods because this, at least for the time-being, does not affect your livelihood) and mental and physical health.

As I have mentioned before, my grandfather fought in the second World War. If he were alive today, he would wonder why on earth he bothered. I am pretty certain he would not have ever envisaged a world where his granddaughter would be visited by the police for merely showing human compassion and kindness. This is the world that a so-called libertarian and conservative government has created. I rue the day I ever voted for Alexander Johnson. I will be wearing my poppy with pride this year and I will be visiting the war memorial and laying flowers for him and the other fallen – people, good people, who served their country with distinction and honour. How you have betrayed their sacrifice.

And to make myself perfectly clear, I want no response.

I remain, disgusted.

229588 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to kh1485, 5, #248 of 2064 🔗

I have no interest in the latest round of excuses you people have for decimating liberty; livelihoods (not “our” livelihoods because this, at least for the time-being, does not affect your livelihood) and mental and physical health.

Well said

229673 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to kh1485, 4, #249 of 2064 🔗

My MP, Sajid Javid, sent me such dreadful letters which were obviously ‘cut and paste’ jobs and with the beginnings of paragraphs missing that I scrawled expletives all over the letter, put it back into the envelope, sellotaped it together and posted it back marked ‘Return to Sender’. He failed to answer a single question I posed and just told me we are ‘being protected for our own good’. I now comment on every thread he posts on Facebook.

230724 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mutineer, #250 of 2064 🔗

Pity you didn’t get a photocopy pasted all over social and mainstream media.

229247 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 17, #251 of 2064 🔗

Coming soon, the newspaper headline
ONE MILLION JOB LOSES SINCE LOCKDOWN.
Coming never, the newspaper headline
4,000 DIE FROM CV-19 IN A DAY

229578 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to PatrickF, 4, #252 of 2064 🔗

ONE MILLION and DOUBLING every THREE DAYS.

In 24 days, 256 MILLION of us will be out of work.

229249 Adam, 11, #253 of 2064 🔗

This surely must end with Johnson and Hancock being removed from their offices by the conservative party people are getting angrier by this inept Government’s catastrophic running of the Country https://www.sdp.org.uk https://www.saveourrights.uk

229255 Nicky, replying to Nicky, 7, #254 of 2064 🔗

Just gone to listen to Julia HB on Talk Radio to cheer myself up. Caught the tail end of a great interview with an MP who was trying to justify his cowardly vote for lockdown yesterday. She’s in great form – worth listening to 😀 Karol sikora up next..

229274 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Nicky, 9, #255 of 2064 🔗

And she’s now publicising that awful video of the lady who was arrested for trying to get her 97 year old mother out of a ‘care’ home.

229518 ▶▶▶ GrowYourOwn, replying to kh1485, 6, #256 of 2064 🔗

What about naming and shaming the police officers that carry these acts out?

229785 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to GrowYourOwn, 2, #257 of 2064 🔗

One can leave feedback on the Humberside Police website …

229260 WhyNow, replying to WhyNow, 14, #258 of 2064 🔗

I am really wondering what, apart from the theory, is different about this epidemic from any other bad flu year?

The testing seems to be fundamentally flawed. We are not testing for anything else. How do we know the test identifies a unique disease? If there is no distinctive symptom or treatment, what is the point of identifying it? You may as well just call it “flu”. In previous years we didn’t test people to find out which particular virus people had. I’m sure we didn’t test people who were not ill. So what do we have to compare the data today with? Nothing. We have millions of bits of data, and nothing to tell us it is any different from normal.

All we really have is an alarming peak of deaths in April, and a public health system primed and looking for evidence of a pandemic. So guess what they saw? There are many other viable explanations for the peak in April, including a largely self-inflicted element.

I’m not saying there was nothing different. But increasingly it looks not very different, and certainly not enough to justify a £300 billion response. This disease is so infectious that people quarantined in the same household don’t catch it. It is so fatal that half the people don’t even know they have it. It is so distinctive that symptoms include feeling unwell. It overwhelms hospitals a bit less than normal in winter. It is hysteria.

229270 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to WhyNow, 12, #259 of 2064 🔗

Its nothing to with a low mortality virus and more to do with controls on the population for the Great Reset.

229272 ▶▶▶ WhyNow, replying to Dan Clarke, 11, #260 of 2064 🔗

I think it is just hysteria. The academics and the public health professionals were primed and waiting for a new virus to cause a pandemic, so that’s what they saw. The politicians are just reacting to hockey stick graphs. It has become an almost perfect unfalsifiable proposition.

229293 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to WhyNow, 7, #261 of 2064 🔗

Perfect storm of many things. Books will be written about it. Safetyism (the more safety you have the more you want) egged on by instant global information, various people pushing agendas, political cowardice. People suddenly rediscovered death.

229307 ▶▶▶▶▶ WhyNow, replying to Julian, 3, #262 of 2064 🔗

Yes, perfect storm. DNA/RNA technology, PCR test, access to funny money, large numbers of people employed in public health and NGO’s, twitter-style public debate.

229427 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to WhyNow, 4, #263 of 2064 🔗

Why have cycle lanes become the response to Covid world wide?
Read about Agenda 21/30 and sustainable cities.
WEF and UN signed an accord last year.
Question where the hysteria and panic came from.

229788 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #264 of 2064 🔗

Must buy petrol …

229277 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to WhyNow, 9, #265 of 2064 🔗

I have been taken to task on twitter for quoting the WHO that 80% of people exposed to SARS-Cov2 virus are mild/asymptomatic and thus for 53.3 million people in the UK covid is a non event. All of this is being done for the 20% 13.3 million who are potentially liable to get serious covid.
So testing all these people for whom covid is a non event is really crazy, and testing for a respiratory disease in this way is unprecedented.
By basing our actions on the whole population when only 20% are at risk from covid is actually letting down those 20% (13.3 million) as if we focused our efforts on them we could do much better at protecting them and developing effective treatments for them.

Nobody seems to be stepping back and doing a reality check on all this. Hospitals are now doing better at treatments and the hospital fatality rate for people admitted to hospital for severe covid is now 2%.
If you apply that fatality rate to the 13.3 million at risk from covid you get a maximum potential covid death total of 250,000, we cannot have more covid deaths than that unless the hospital fatality rate goes up or the population increases.

229344 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #266 of 2064 🔗

Perfect sense or, as Whitty and Vallance would say – dangerous nonsense.

229279 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to WhyNow, 2, #267 of 2064 🔗

Did you figure this out recently? Because it was obvious in early March. If you don’t measure things with sufficient precision and end up with noise, you can make models and supposition fit a lot of things. And often your own biases.

229483 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to WhyNow, #268 of 2064 🔗

There’s nothing significantly different. It’s an argument I regularly use to good effect. Recommended.

229557 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to WhyNow, 1, #269 of 2064 🔗

And the “alarming peak” was an artefact of wilful violence against the physically distressed.

229268 mjr, 6, #270 of 2064 🔗

MSM going into overdrive. GMB going full lockdown. Anecdote from hospital about how the covid is mutating into something worse. And the NHS are saints That showbiz doctor saying that nobody is dying from flu. Its all covid. And with backing music like a funeral parlour.

229269 Janet, replying to Janet, 10, #271 of 2064 🔗

I emailed my MP a week ago about the proposed national lockdown, although I got an automated response saying it had been received, she didn’t bother to respond, as I checked this morning she voted in favour so I have emailed her again & told her she & the Tory party have lost mine & husbands’ votes forever.
The way things are going I doubt very much there will ever be elections in future. We have become a police state & I fear not for myself but for my children & grandchildren.

229485 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Janet, #272 of 2064 🔗

My MP also voted in favour and likewise I emailed them last night to say that I would never vote Conservative again despite being a lifelong Conservative voter. I simply can’t bring myself to vote Labour or LibDem so I will have to wait and see what the newer parties offer as candidates in my constituency.

230258 ▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 1, #273 of 2064 🔗

You could vote for a credible independent or do as I do and spoil your ballot paper.

230255 ▶▶ William Gruff, replying to Janet, 1, #274 of 2064 🔗

I too fear that elections are a thing of the past.

229271 sky_trees, replying to sky_trees, 11, #275 of 2064 🔗

Wrote to my MP to thank them for voting against lockdown. Was nice to see.

230128 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to sky_trees, 1, #276 of 2064 🔗

Lucky you! I wish I’d been so fortunate.

229273 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 17, #277 of 2064 🔗

We are spending too much time investigating this mild virus and need to look at what the government are really doing and why. No one would disagree that changes in society are needed but taking a sledge hammer to everything we have has gone way too far, although our parliament seem to think smashing our lives apart is quite within their remit.

229762 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #278 of 2064 🔗

If there were a civilized debate instead of the mad va$$ine-driven direction/control on the future of society by a treasonous government … er, ys, IF

229280 LS99, replying to LS99, 7, #279 of 2064 🔗

Just made the mistake of reading the new list of rules that have just been voted in. If you suffer from high blood pressure or are feeling mentally fragile, don’t do it! My blood is literally boiling right now.

229629 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to LS99, 3, #280 of 2064 🔗

As an individual I will not comply. I already take perfectly adequate hygiene steps and will continue to do so. Nothing else.

229766 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to thinkaboutit, 3, #281 of 2064 🔗

Even those, above any normal actions, are probably unnecessary.

229281 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 14, #282 of 2064 🔗

Taking testing to a new level.

The prediction is that 4000 people a day are going to die of the rhona by December

99.6% of people who catch it survive

So that is 398,400 positive tests a day in December, of which 4000 will die

To achieve the figure of 398,400 positive tests, it will require 39,840,000 people a day to be tested

Or if you prefer 1,195,200,000 tests to be conducted in December

Yes that is one trillion, one hundred and ninety five million, two hundred thousand

By coincidence this number is exactly the same as the number of new tractors we will be producing under the five year plan

Better sharpen your pencil Comrade Handy Cock

Long live the leader!!

229328 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Cecil B, 2, #283 of 2064 🔗

Actually one billion etc but your point stands!

229343 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to OKUK, 3, #284 of 2064 🔗

Drat, you could have told me while I still had a chance to edit

Now I have been made to look like a right prat

‘And it’s all your fault’

229900 ▶▶▶▶ TT, replying to Cecil B, 1, #285 of 2064 🔗

Don’t forget that dodgy calculations are the hallmark of Sound Science.

229282 Fiat, 12, #286 of 2064 🔗

My father died in January. Last night I dreamt of him. I think he was inviting me to come home….

229283 muzzle, replying to muzzle, 11, #287 of 2064 🔗

Things that grind my gears number 14. Any online criticism of the way the official forecasts are interpreted is met with “Oh, so you’re a scientist or epidemiologist are you?”

229290 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to muzzle, 6, #288 of 2064 🔗

Exactly. But we do have eyes and are able to employ critical thinking.

I’m not a car mechanic but I am still able to drive a car.

229294 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to muzzle, 8, #289 of 2064 🔗

Do they realise how ironic it is to use the logical fallacy, argument from authority, to defend science?

229295 ▶▶ Julian, replying to muzzle, 3, #290 of 2064 🔗

Neither is the PM or Hancock – they listen to advice and evaluate it.

230056 ▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to Julian, 1, #291 of 2064 🔗

they only listen to one sided advice, so no need for them even to evaluate it, just repeat it.

229297 ▶▶ Evoluon, replying to muzzle, 5, #292 of 2064 🔗

I’ve had that too on social media but at least I could say I was an NHS data analyst for 10 years.

229304 ▶▶ annie, replying to muzzle, 4, #293 of 2064 🔗

Answer: ‘No, unlike them I know what I’m talking about.’

229311 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to muzzle, 5, #294 of 2064 🔗

You can reply: “I’m not discussing the cake, I’m questioning the ingredients”

229323 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to muzzle, 7, #295 of 2064 🔗

Patients aren’t doctors but there have been millions of cases over the years where doctors have ignored patients’ concerns regarding symptoms, and – tragically – been proven wrong.

230614 ▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to OKUK, #296 of 2064 🔗

Doctors aren’t patients and patients aren’t as stupid as ‘doctors’ (doctors without the doctorate that endows the dignity) like to believe.

229433 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to muzzle, 2, #297 of 2064 🔗

Just tell them you have as much medical training as Bill Gates

229537 ▶▶ Alan P, replying to muzzle, #298 of 2064 🔗

Yes! That gets my goat too. I’ve even argued with a scientist regarding all this lockdown, masking, etc. They hadn’t heard of Carl Heneghan and the CEBM, Sunetra Gupta and the other GBD signatories, Sikora or Yeadon and others. I was flabbergasted. I’m going to try and introduce Ivor Cummins as a route through their lack of knowledge. Btw the scientist wasn’t Vallance or Whitby (but I’m sure these 2 are cut of the same cloth). We are doomed aren’t we?

229284 Adamb, replying to Adamb, 13, #299 of 2064 🔗

No apparent reduction in passengers on train or tube this morning.

229291 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Adamb, 4, #300 of 2064 🔗

That doesn’t surprise me. The regulations now leave more leeway to be out and about and with regards to work, if working from home doesn’t agree with you, you can get your manager to designate you as a “key worker” and you can go on site.

229285 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #301 of 2064 🔗

On Good Morning Britain, Piers Morgan has just told Peter Bone MP that there have been seventy-seven thousand COVID excess deaths this year.

229296 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #302 of 2064 🔗

Stop it, he’s already on the list,

He can’t be added again

Behave yourself

229319 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Cecil B, #303 of 2064 🔗

Sorry, but his incessant ranting and hypocritical virtue signalling annoy me.

229340 ▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #304 of 2064 🔗

You are forgiven… this time

229462 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Cecil B, #305 of 2064 🔗

Can’t you add him to the list in two separate ‘testing cycles’, CB?

229505 ▶▶ Locked down and out, replying to Steve Hayes, 8, #306 of 2064 🔗

I loved Peter Bone’s comment this morning that he was invited on to the programme to give his views and not just to listen to those of Piers Morgan.

229634 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Locked down and out, 1, #307 of 2064 🔗

Piers clearly didn’t.

229286 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 14, #308 of 2064 🔗

Not surprised that this was going to happen but well done to the MPs who showed the courage of their convictions. The MP from Windsor who voted against didn’t surprise me, from my previous two visits, Windsor has been pretty sane and a pleasant place to visit despite the circumstances.

What upsets me about this lockdown is that it has put a spanner in my plans to go to the British Library at least once a week for work purposes. Yet again, I will be reduced to scraps in my own library and the internet. I can only thank the Lord that my research is an ongoing thing and ha no deadline.

As I said earlier, I will not comply with this. Having seen my mental health take a hammering over the last few months, my fear is that this will push me over the edge and I don’t want that to happen.

229302 ▶▶ annie, replying to Bart Simpson, 9, #309 of 2064 🔗

Don’t let anything push you over the edge.
We need scholars, and I mean real scholars, not zombie snowflakes.

229313 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to annie, 4, #310 of 2064 🔗

Thanks Annie!!! I’m encouraged by your posts and will not comply.

229298 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 21, #311 of 2064 🔗

Just off to take one of my grandchildren to school. Thankfully our son is a full blown sceptic and our daughter-in-law has moved a lot towards that position. Her other grandmother helps to look after our younger granddaughter for part of the week and will continue to do so even though it breaks the rules.

It struck me that so many of these MPs have little understanding of how the rest of us live. We are not in the position of Rees-Mogg in being able to afford a nanny, nor can most of us survive on one wage in order to buy a house. Many parents, like us are still helping out financially too, as did my parents for us as well as providing free child care so that both parents can go to work.

Who makes up these crazy rules?

229300 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Margaret, 9, #312 of 2064 🔗

In answer to your question, the rules are made by those who live in la-la land and/or are not going to be financially impacted by their diktat.

That is what infuriates me about the young who are pro-lockdown. Its mainly because they’ve swallowed the propaganda whole but also because they think that their parents and even grandparents will ride to their rescue should things go wrong.

I think they will be in for a major disappointment.

229318 ▶▶ LS99, replying to Margaret, 4, #313 of 2064 🔗

Re-check the rules, I can’t be sure but I think childcare in the home or by a relative is allowed if the child is under 13. I mean basically ignore it, but sometimes it feels better if you know you’re not breaking the rules and you don’t need to skulk around.

229337 ▶▶▶ CapLlam, replying to LS99, 4, #314 of 2064 🔗

Yes it’s supposed to be only one set of people but I’m ignoring it and using whoever can do it when I need them.

229363 ▶▶▶▶ alw, replying to CapLlam, 1, #315 of 2064 🔗

It is just crazy that only one grandparent of a couple can do the care. Presumably the one doing the caring goes home to share a bed with the other. Just ignore and do what is right for your family.

229459 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Margaret, 5, #316 of 2064 🔗

“It struck me that so many of these MPs have little understanding of how the rest of us live”

Make that NO idea, Margaret.

Example 1: Johnny Mercer (and many like him) gets his £82000 plus expenses, plus fiddle AND has another job that pays £80000 for just four hours a week.

Example 2: Chris Bryant, £82k+e+f asked for extra money for childcare when asked to work Saturday for the first time in his life.

How can they have any knowledge of life in the real world???

229299 chaos, replying to chaos, 28, #317 of 2064 🔗

Boris walking out when May spoke shows his maturity and manners.

Boris Kemal the man-boy.. holds grudges, resents being held to account.. the wolf in a clown suit.

229305 ▶▶ Suze Burtenshaw, replying to chaos, 21, #318 of 2064 🔗

I can’t stand the woman for what she tried to do over Brexit, but I think Johnson behaving as he did is not only pathetic and childish but downright rude – definitely not what one wants to see in a PM. Pillock of the highest order.

229406 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Suze Burtenshaw, 4, #319 of 2064 🔗

There’s always excuses from clown boy also.. have you noticed?

229378 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to chaos, 11, #320 of 2064 🔗

Whatever you might think about Mrs May and how she handled/did not handle Brexit, what he did yesterday was both rude and childish. I think he overstepped the mark, and will suffer for it (eventually). Mrs May is well-connected in Church circles and I do think she is a patriot. The Church leaders are finally expressing their concerns – better late than never.

229449 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #321 of 2064 🔗

May, like her predecessor and successor, lied to us about Brexit. That was the first and last time I voted Conservative. But as you say, TT, to walk out, on a member of your party – and a former PM for goodness sake – because they disagree with your lies, just shows the arrogance and conceit of these bastards, as if we didn’t know anyway.

229494 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to chaos, 6, #322 of 2064 🔗

Not just Boris. I commented last night on the arrogance and contempt that Hancock displayed towards Phillip Davies when he was giving his speech. Hancock was sat there playing with his phone with a cynical smirk on his face.

230073 ▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 1, #323 of 2064 🔗

I noticed that by Hancock and was going to comment on his snide look during that speech. Then he got up to speak blah bullshit blah. He is a Turd first class with bar. Boris is in way beyond his depth and must be privately drowning. He wasn’t made for this. By the way, where has the father of the house been on all this, keeping right out of the way, ready to return when the knives start to get sharpened? If the case and death rates drop dramatically in the next two weeks, they are all done for.

229301 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 31, #324 of 2064 🔗

My wife has just engaged me for month as a consultant to the market research company she formed yesterday

Our work will take us all over the country

We will be working mainly in Wales where much of the research will be conducted in pubs which I understand reopen Monday

We have posts available if you care to apply

229309 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to Cecil B, 8, #325 of 2064 🔗

If I apply, can I be furloughed immediately? I could do with some free money. Then you could pressure me into working in the pub with you, because you are such a bastard.

229315 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Recusant, 8, #326 of 2064 🔗

That sort of language is unacceptable in the workplace

Would you please send me your bank details including your pin so we can send you the money from our Nigerian bank account

(FFS, no, no ,no, I was only joking)

229369 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Cecil B, 3, #327 of 2064 🔗

Please sir, I should like to volunteer to be a … whatever.

229521 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to annie, 4, #328 of 2064 🔗

We have three vacancies

Senior Whatever
Junior Whatever
Apprentice Whatever

Will you please make it clear which post you are applying for

229436 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Cecil B, 2, #329 of 2064 🔗

Shit. Just sent mine… Can you delete it? It’s the one with the date of birth 4/11/2020.

229308 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 18, #330 of 2064 🔗

Two observations:

(Mentioned this last night but am repeating this) Have been noticing over the last few days that more and more shop staff are not wearing masks. The only conclusion I can draw from this are that many workers have experienced health problems from being muzzled for at least 8 hours and their management have let them claim exemption rather than to go off sick or develop even worse problems that will make them liable for a lawsuit. I’m also seeing more customers not wearing them too. At Primark yesterday, there were a fair number of us unmuzzled.

What has been infuriating me are the people on Arsebook who show more interest in the US elections rather than what’s going on here. So they don’t care about the assault on our civil liberties and the economic & social Armageddon but would rather virtue signal despite having no stake in that country. Makes you wonder what should happen for them to wake up and care about their own country.

229359 ▶▶ alw, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #331 of 2064 🔗

I had noticed too, both in Tesco and Marks. 👏 👏 👏 👏

229385 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to alw, 1, #332 of 2064 🔗

Plus also Waitrose and Morrisons!!!

229428 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #333 of 2064 🔗

Is word getting around, albeit very slowly? It’s most likely from seeing others, as I don’t know anyone apart from the folk on here who has actually looked at the regs for any of this. Not friends or shopkeepers, and certainly not the police.

229482 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #334 of 2064 🔗

Its possible. When I filed my complaint against a member of staff at my local M&S, I was told that head office will consider a refresher training regarding regulations and exemptions so its possible that’s what supermarkets and shops are doing.

229386 ▶▶ Chloe, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #335 of 2064 🔗

I’ve noticed this on the tube and in train stations!

229412 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Chloe, 4, #336 of 2064 🔗

Mr Bart did make the observation that loads of TFL and train staff aren’t wearing masks either and wearing exemption lanyards instead.

230141 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #337 of 2064 🔗

Glad that you’ve seen more shop staff without masks. I don’t go in shops but almost none of the bus drivers I see wear masks anymore. Lots of them did for a while, but now they seem to have mostly stopped.

I stay off FB, but here I’ve not done the best job restraining myself when people post about the election in the US. To me, it’s an irrelevancy unless you live in the States. I’m American, so obviously have some interest in it, but what’s going on here is far more relevant to getting past this situation in the UK.

230869 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to ConstantBees, #338 of 2064 🔗

I think its a positive development agree and hope that it continues.

I’ve been taking time off from Arsebook, I do have a filter that blocks out anything political but I just think it would be better if I stay away.

229312 John Stone, replying to John Stone, 3, #339 of 2064 🔗

What’s happened to politics – our politicians are zombies. They don’t even ask to see some proper data.

229419 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to John Stone, 2, #340 of 2064 🔗

They are and have shown themselves to be uncurious and credulous as well.

If I was an MP I would be doing my research and not accept everything I’m being told as gospel truth. Unfortunately our elected representatives and fellow citizens have been in thrall of the Two Ronnies of Doom to the point that they don’t even stop to wonder and question where all their data is coming from.

230085 ▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #341 of 2064 🔗

Excuse me. MP’s doing their own research, excuse me thats what they have spads and assistants for. Most of them couldnt use a laptop if the tried, especially the senior tories. One has servants to ease one burden doesn’t one.

229320 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 12, #342 of 2064 🔗

Lockdown 2. Day 1. 08.30.
Morning rush hour about 2/3 as busy as usual. Mostly vans, single drivers and parent with child.
Utterly different to lockdown 1.

229327 ▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to karenovirus, 4, #343 of 2064 🔗

That’s exactly what I’m noticing in East Yorkshire on the train.

229348 ▶▶ muzzle, replying to karenovirus, 1, #344 of 2064 🔗

Just did the school run. Roads as busy as yesterday.

229394 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to karenovirus, 5, #345 of 2064 🔗

I think more and more people are ignoring this lockdowm plus the regulations leave much more leeway with regards to being out and about as well as working.

People who work in offices don’t necessarily have to work from home unlike last time around that basically forced them to the detriment of their physical and mental health. I noticed high street stores as well encouraging people to order online which could mean that they’re deploying those on the floor to warehouses. Ditto restaurants who have said they will remain open for takeaways and deliveries.

Hence why there seems to be no change.

229442 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to karenovirus, 3, #346 of 2064 🔗

London yesterday was as busy as it’s been since before the first lockdown.
It was such a different feel to the first time,when the city emptied of its own accord.

229502 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to karenovirus, 3, #347 of 2064 🔗

I think it will be very different. Look at all the final hurrahs and partying last night. Lots don’t believe in it this time. If enough just carry on it will fall apart.

230146 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to karenovirus, #348 of 2064 🔗

Roads as busy as usual this morning on my outbound trip. But on the way back around 1300, roads and pavements almost deserted when I passed the high street.

229324 The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 26, #349 of 2064 🔗

On my way to Sweden! Train from Hull to Kings Cross and then Tube onwards to Heathrow. The great escape…

229331 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 3, #350 of 2064 🔗

Have a great time, Calum! My envy knows no bounds.

229395 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 1, #351 of 2064 🔗

Have a great trip and enjoy Sweden!!!

229497 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 3, #352 of 2064 🔗

If you are really lucky, they won’t let you back in and you can claim asylum in Sweden!

229826 ▶▶▶ Carlo, replying to vargas99, #353 of 2064 🔗

I am jelous.

229335 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 20, #354 of 2064 🔗

Sainsburys to axe 3,600 jobs and close all it’s fresh food counters

Is it because there will be no fresh food to sell?

Can’t get a cauliflower for love nor money in this part of the UK

It’s starting, will the morons throw off their chains when there is nothing to eat?

229403 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cecil B, 9, #355 of 2064 🔗

You know its bad, it bad when even supermarkets are having to lay off staff (with apologies to Michael Jackson). Not helped by their going woke by jumping on the bandwagon of Black History Month.

The extension of the mask mandate sounded the death kneel of the supermarkets. And yet they’re still not fighting the government? They should have done from the beginning and defied them.

Sainsbury’s are paying the price for their cowardice.

229499 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Cecil B, 3, #356 of 2064 🔗

Once baking supplies run out, the middle classes will rebel.

229336 Jay Berger, replying to Jay Berger, 9, #357 of 2064 🔗

In light of Slovakia, Moonshot etc., I think that we/the lawyers must urgently pursue another angle.
As the tests are currently neither certified nor standardized, the courts should rule that both criteria must be fulfilled before any mass testing with them is undertaken.
I refuse to be made subject to the lottery-like result of the current 45ct test, when even Dr. Fauci has stated that over a CT of 35, you’ll only get dead virus material.

229577 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Jay Berger, 1, #358 of 2064 🔗

Agree these tests should be challenged

229641 ▶▶ Sue, replying to Jay Berger, 2, #359 of 2064 🔗

a very concerning development is the mass testing and requiring a so called “negative” result in order to be able to leave your house. This is dystopian and coming our way in a few short weeks – they’ve started with liverpool and will roll out to rest of country soon.

229338 Eddy, replying to Eddy, 11, #360 of 2064 🔗

Mr Fawkes – have another go pal.

229362 ▶▶ annie, replying to Eddy, 3, #361 of 2064 🔗

You were right all along, Guy.

229341 Eddy, replying to Eddy, 12, #362 of 2064 🔗

Busier then ever on the roads. Great to see.

229354 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Eddy, 6, #363 of 2064 🔗

North Circular road in London just as busy

229342 Arnie, replying to Arnie, 18, #364 of 2064 🔗

I just had a minor moment of clarity!

I WILL be visiting our local war memorial EVERY day at 11am as part of my permitted daily exercise.

I UNDERSTAND that others may also want to do this.

It IS possible that I may leave selected information at that site.

It would be lovely to see others who appreciate the heros that gave their lives for our FREEDOMs there.

229352 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Arnie, 5, #365 of 2064 🔗

That’s a brilliant idea Arnie. I’m already composing a message to leave at our village memorial.

229370 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to kh1485, 4, #366 of 2064 🔗

Me too KH.
Stay strong, they can only win if we let them.
Arnie.

229401 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Arnie, 4, #367 of 2064 🔗

Good idea.

I walked past the Royal Artillery Memorial and Bomber Command two days ago as part of my South Kensingston to Green Park walk.

Will do more walks in the run up to Remembrance Sunday.

229415 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Arnie, 6, #368 of 2064 🔗

Choose any of:

Outdoor Exercise
Visiting a public outdoor place for the purposes of open air recreation
Attending an event commemorating Remembrance Sunday

(I’m sure you’ll agree these are ‘reasonably necessary’)

Then just do it!

229480 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Sam Vimes, 4, #369 of 2064 🔗

Every day at 11am… Just in case anybody wants a chat…

229530 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Arnie, 1, #370 of 2064 🔗

Was discussing doing this yesterday, Arnie… great idea to go every day to pay our respects

229574 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Arnie, #371 of 2064 🔗

See this for Britons sharing their Remembrance day stories
https://twitter.com/LozzaFox

229848 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Arnie, 3, #372 of 2064 🔗

“It IS possible that I may leave selected information at that site.”

This is what I am planning. They gave their lives for our freedom. Now we allow traitors to take it away for a nebulous crumb of safety?

229351 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 12, #373 of 2064 🔗

You can’t step out the house unless to go to work, or to school, or to go shopping, to obtain medical treatment or for exercise.

Why else would you step out the house? To go to the pub, the cinema, the theatre etc., etc – they’re all shut anyway!

It seems a completely redundant injunction. I suppose it means you can’t go out the door to get in your car (which I don’t have) to drive around a bit.

229364 ▶▶ annie, replying to Ned of the Hills, 13, #374 of 2064 🔗

Just go out if the house.
Because they tell you not to.

229410 ▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to alw, 4, #376 of 2064 🔗

It is interesting that their summary of the new regulation do not mention masks anywhere.

229358 Fiat, replying to Fiat, 5, #377 of 2064 🔗

Today marks the 332nd anniversary of the start of the Glorious Revolution….

229639 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Fiat, #378 of 2064 🔗

Can we get the Dutch to save us again? The Hanoverians are hopeless.

229360 NickR, replying to NickR, 12, #379 of 2064 🔗

The video of the old lady getting forcibly taken back to her care home was very upsetting. However, away from the emotional elements what possible grounds could the police have been acting on?
There were fewer than 6 involved.
The woman wasn’t in prison.
The daughter/grandaughter were legitimately visiting their relative & driving her to their house.
I simply don’t see how this, maybe today, but not yesterday, could be a police matter?

229614 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to NickR, 1, #380 of 2064 🔗

I understand that the elderly lady was deemed incapable of making her own decisions and unfortunately the family had not obtained Power of Attorney for health matters. Thus legally the Local authority and the Care Home are responsible for her care. The family had tried to sort this out with the local authority but had got nowhere, councils are very hard to contact at the moment.
Before she died my Mum was in a care home, my sister and I had got power of attorney for health and the home were very dutiful in always consulting us and following our wishes. We applied for Power of Attorney ourselves and it was a rather tortuous procedure but we managed it and were very glad we did.
Much more should be done to help the relatives of elderly people in care homes to obtain power of attorney to avoid these sort of ridiculous inhumane events.

229654 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #381 of 2064 🔗

Thanks. Just got a power of attorney for ourselves – anything can happen even if you younger.

230819 ▶▶▶ NickR, replying to Steve Martindale, #382 of 2064 🔗

Thanks for that explanation

229361 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 7, #383 of 2064 🔗

Some of us can remember the miners strike in the 80’s when some members of the police used to wave £10 notes (overtime payments) in the faces of the strikers during picketing and marches.
Now I suppose “some” police when “enforcing” the law will use modern technology and wave their bank apps at us troublesome sceptics.

229550 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #384 of 2064 🔗

The police are very widely mis-trusted and disliked amongst law abiding citizens. Unquestionably ‘just following orders’ appears to be just another step towards the militarisation of the UK police which the global elite seems to desire.

231213 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Darryl, #385 of 2064 🔗

I used to be a supporter of the police and thought I would always help out if I saw one having a struggle with someone. Their recent behaviour has brought me to the point where I have utter contempt for them and would pass by on the other side.

229367 Lancastrian Oik, replying to Lancastrian Oik, 12, #386 of 2064 🔗

On the subject of the dysfunctional track and trace “system”, and the uselessness of the PCR test:

Local family of five, known to us via their friendship with our cleaner; their eldest daughter is in sixth form college, and recently she “displayed symptoms” (i.e. she coughed a couple of times) and was therefore sent home and told not to return until after she’d been tested and acted according to the result.

She tested positive, and so the remaining family members were contacted and tested, and all were “positive” and so isolated for fourteen days.

The mother works for the NHS in clinical situations and so was required to take the specific antibody test before being allowed to resume her duties. I’m sure you can guess what’s coming….

Yup. She was negative. No antibodies, hadn’t had Covid.

Anecdotal evidence, I know.

229716 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Lancastrian Oik, 2, #387 of 2064 🔗

A complete mess. PCR creates the staff problems in the NHS which leads to cries of stress during a normal winter surge, which MPs believe can be fixed by MORE PCR!

229368 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 3, #388 of 2064 🔗

Yesterday, or the day before, I posted a suggestion that a Tory M.P. who had a good record of opposing Johnson’s mishandling of the crisis could well be propelled into leading that party. Especially if it can be demonstrated the lockdown was completely needless. An MP with standing. How can I put a bet on Theresa being the next PM?

229382 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Ned of the Hills, 3, #389 of 2064 🔗

She abstained but there are 30+ Tories to choose from

229372 annie, replying to annie, 11, #390 of 2064 🔗

Just noticed that according to laworfiction, you can be present at a birth if the mother so requests. So, you worried dads-to-be, if the NHS gauleiters tell you you can’t be there, throw the bloody law at them.

229470 ▶▶ CapLlam, replying to annie, 4, #391 of 2064 🔗

You aren’t allowed anyone with you for scans or appt at the moment.
Our hospital allows one person to the 20 week scan but not the 12 week one.
I would have thought the 12 week one would have been more important as you generally find out if you potentially have had a miscarriage or a missed one.

Maternity has been forgotten about and dads are missing births and not being there throughout the process when you need that support.
I’m dreading next year in April when I’m due to give birth. My partner will be there as he is not missing the birth of his child.

229374 Arnie, 7, #392 of 2064 🔗

I’m praying the god of Guy Fawkes today.

229376 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 32, #393 of 2064 🔗

Yesterday they finally took Icke of twitter. Yesterday our police arrested a lady rescuing her old mother from a death home. Yesterday the Communist Party of China took over the free world.
I consider myself right of center but i detest this Tory Party more than anything i previously felt for Blair.

229495 ▶▶ JudgeMental, replying to nickbowes, 6, #394 of 2064 🔗

Google are also hiding Icke. His website comes up on the second page of search results. On DuckDuckGo it is the first item.

231214 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to nickbowes, #395 of 2064 🔗

This lot are much much worse than Blair.

229379 Coronamoana, replying to Coronamoana, 11, #396 of 2064 🔗

I don’t think we can ever come out of lockdown now. The government have dug themselves in so deep, acting on the results of broken testing, broken track and trace, broken recording of hospital admissions and deaths, that to remedy this would mean admitting their gross incompetency. They have too much hubris to do that. I feel like the rest of my life has just been written off.

229400 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to Coronamoana, 34, #397 of 2064 🔗

As a soldier one of the things we used to say was that we don’t die cheaply. If our lives are ruined and devoid of meaning be the most awkward, cantankerous, fight anybody bastard you can be.

Because when you have nothing to lose you are the most frightening thing these tyrants will ever see. They will begin to understand how much they have underestimated us.

Arnie.

229452 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Arnie, 4, #398 of 2064 🔗

Brilliant, Arnie!

229474 ▶▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Charlie Blue, 8, #399 of 2064 🔗

Thank you Charlie. This is the fight of our lifetimes. We cannot, must not, lose.
Arnie.

229555 ▶▶ VickyA, replying to Coronamoana, 4, #400 of 2064 🔗

As Mr Icke and many others are often to say… we are many, they are few. Arnie has it right.
Encouraging signs if more and more people are realising it’s all nonsense.

229380 Arnie, replying to Arnie, 8, #401 of 2064 🔗

Boris Johnson our Poundland Churchill.

I’d like to punch him in the mask.

(the Poundland Churchill bit was somebody else on here’s idea but I love it)

229422 ▶▶ richmond, replying to Arnie, 1, #402 of 2064 🔗

A Poundland X means a weaker version of X. Churchill was one of the good guys. Are you saying Johnson is a good guy, just achieving less than Churchill?

229478 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to richmond, 3, #403 of 2064 🔗

Er no, definitely not a good guy. A cheap imitation dressed up to masquerade as the real thing. Cheap and made in china.

229647 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Arnie, 3, #404 of 2064 🔗

Plastic toys used to have “Made in China” stamped on their bottoms. I expect BJ has the same.

230640 ▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to richmond, 1, #405 of 2064 🔗

Read a little more widely about Churchill and you may come to see him in a different light.

230824 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to William Gruff, #406 of 2064 🔗

Churchill is a dirty word where I come from.

229383 karenovirus, 6, #407 of 2064 🔗

Lockdown 2. 9.00
Main regional hospital. Definitely not ‘Cleared for Covid’.
Normal numbers of patients, carers entering the main reception area and all departments working as usual unlike lockdown 1 when almost all appointments were cancelled and two specialist departments given over to ICU.

Didn’t even have anyone manning the Sanitizer station as they did for several months.

229384 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 22, #408 of 2064 🔗

Percentage of people who recover from ACTUAL covid = 99.7
Percentage of people who recover from ACTUAL suicide = 0

LOCKDOWNS KILL!
DO NOT PARTICIPATE!

230644 ▶▶ William Gruff, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #409 of 2064 🔗

Can you be certain that those diagnosed with ACTUAL covid actually have Covid, given the fallibility of the test and the shambles of the testing regime?

229387 Basics, replying to Basics, 8, #410 of 2064 🔗

Update.

https://www.thefreedomcycle.com/covid/biggest-criminal-fraud-case.html

“COVID-1984 UPDATE |04-11-20
This afternoon, our legal team asked for another three weeks to prepare the case, just as Parliament voted in favour of a 2nd fraudulent, treasonous and murderous lockdown.

“Since we simply don’t have three weeks to wait and we don’t agree that the arguments are complex enough to justify such a delay, especially given the circumstances, we will therefore aim to have the information laid ourselves tomorrow.

“In the event we do get it done by then, house arrest warrants will be issued against the accused and we would seek to enforce them without hesitation or delay, treating the new authoritarian decrees with the contempt they deserve.

“However, even if we are unable to lay the information in a criminal court tomorrow, we will rely upon the Grand Jury indictments we have already secured, which will be made public by the morning. This alone authorises the arrest and charging of all the accused, under the protection of the Common Law and Magna Carta 2020.

“Parliament must now be considered dissolved and devoid of both authority to act and legitimacy, on the ground that it has been proven to be criminal in nature. The puppet masters and minions will also be indicted on the same charges in due course, after the political puppets inevitably squeal on those pulling their strings.

“Just imagine the spontaneous street parties, bonfires and fireworks, in celebration of the Freedom, Sovereignty and Power of the People, if we bear witness to the metaphorical blowing up of a criminal Parliament, on November the 5th 2020. COVID-1984 would be at a sudden abrupt end and justice would soon be done.

“History would then record that on the anniversary of the notorious recalcitrant Guy Fawkes’s foiled plot to bring down tyrannous government, his descendants arrested Doris and his criminal cabinet, before building a new advanced civilisation upon the ruins of the Empire of Ill-Gotten Gains, by protecting the rights of the individual above those of the collective, so that such tyranny can never rise again on these shores.

“This is our moment to act, so we must seize it now, in the name of securing the freedom of all our children and holding traitors to account for their crimes, under the protection of the Common Law.
Let’s make it happen peacefully with nationwide totalitarian non-compliance and non-violent direct action, uniting into an unstoppable force for good in this world, without any more fannying around.

Remember remember, the 5th of November.”

229398 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Basics, 2, #411 of 2064 🔗

Basics.
Late yesterday morning you asked someone if tests were made to see if mixing vaccines a, b + c might result in mystery illness no.27

Such work is done for the NHS by First Databank UK.

229534 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Basics, #412 of 2064 🔗

Is this the Michael o,Bernia case? If so worth listening to the interview with Mark Devlin.

229977 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Dave #KBF, #413 of 2064 🔗

Yes.

229540 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Basics, 2, #414 of 2064 🔗

I hope this works out, but it’s quite likely that the courts are just as corrupt as the government. I don’t think a pissy little common law court is going to stand in the way of the globalists. Don’t all these judges, police commissioners media executives and politicians go to the same “lodge” anyway?

Hope I am wrong

229388 Arnie, replying to Arnie, 19, #415 of 2064 🔗

I’ve had a Union Flag (Union Jack) flying in my garden for the last 10 years.

Today I ran a white flag up in honour of our government.

Tomorrow I will put the Chinese flag up.

Not sure I’ll get away with the Nazi flag so instead I will be pointedly using utterances from ‘Allo ‘Allo if anybody upsets me.

229420 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Arnie, 7, #416 of 2064 🔗

I’ve bought a Remembrance Poppy Flag which will be displayed on the front of my house ASAP.

229687 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Arnie, 1, #417 of 2064 🔗

I’m flying a pirate flag!

229391 Cody, replying to Cody, 4, #418 of 2064 🔗

In the woke gobbledygook section I notice there are 29 gender options that can be selected from the menu.There is also an “other” option.Does anybody know of a possible 30th,as yet undiscovered,gender?I’m picturing an Amazonian Rainforest type new species discovery…..

229429 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Cody, 3, #420 of 2064 🔗

I hears facebook gives 75 genders to choose from on sign up. Others will know if this is true. I like your idea of a rainforest gender exploration mission. The Antarctic may hold a few of the rarer genders. Whatever did Capatin Cook do on his voyages to have ignored so much anthropology.

229466 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cody, 1, #421 of 2064 🔗

NY City police recognized 40 or more about 3 years ago.

229469 ▶▶ rose, replying to Cody, #422 of 2064 🔗

I was a bit worried and confused that there was a gender called Big ender. I did work it out e eventually!!

229396 Censored Dog, replying to Censored Dog, 10, #423 of 2064 🔗

Please come back, Theresa May! I don’t care about Brexit anymore, just give us our lives back!

229414 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Censored Dog, 10, #424 of 2064 🔗

An unusual heroine in these times but I fear it was done more to poke Bonzo in the eye. It was rude of him to just up and leave but then he has a tendency to cut and run when in a tight spot.

229510 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #425 of 2064 🔗

She did ask questions about the economic cost of all this at the beginning I seem to remember.

229399 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 6, #426 of 2064 🔗

Uniformed Lockdown Enforcers have arrested a retired nurse for attempting to rescue/abduct her 97 year-old mother from a nursing home.

Why have they not arrested and charged the mother? Escapees and asylum seekers from care homes not only spread infectious diseases throughout the community but will unnecessarily burden the stressed-out family members who were happy and relieved to put them into care in the first place.

Further lockdown action is needed to prevent elderly inmate breakouts. Perhaps a little Wuhan door-welding?

229523 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Stuart, 2, #427 of 2064 🔗

Julia Hartley-Brewer is on this, interviewed the grand daughter this morning and is helping to find a lawyer, to support the family and get grandma home to her family.

229402 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 18, #428 of 2064 🔗

Spoke to a friend last night who owns 2 companies and employs 50 people, a manufacturing arm and a retail outlet for his goods. He was saying his supply chains are being disturbed and now affecting manufacture and his low/medium skilled shop floor employees have twigged that if they phone up and say they have been informed they have been in contact with somebody positive, they then get 2 weeks off. No questions can be asked and no way of verifying what they are saying is correct or not, my friend has to accept their word.

229407 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Smelly Melly, 12, #429 of 2064 🔗

Covid has become the Malingerers Disease.

229472 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to Smelly Melly, 5, #430 of 2064 🔗

Odd, i prefer being at work than under house arrest

229404 Steve Hayes, 7, #431 of 2064 🔗

In 1347 a novel disease arrived in Europe. Its effects were terrible and there was mass fear and panic. The king of France commissioned the continent’s most senior experts of the day to study the disease and find solutions for the health and wellbeing of the people. The experts realised that the practise of washing made people susceptible. They immediately advised everyone to avoid washing. As a result, for centuries, Europeans avoided washing like the plague.

I have no doubt that those fourteenth century experts were a lot smarter than Whitty and Vallance and the rest.

229408 ConstantBees, replying to ConstantBees, 12, #432 of 2064 🔗

I understand the despair that many are feeling right now. It is completely justified. I want to share my personal experience of American history to show that dark days can be survived.

In 1970, I was a girl in San Francisco. The anti-Vietnam war protests were happening. On tv, I saw military helicopters flying over the university in Berkeley. Our young men, including my cousin, were shipped off to Vietnam. Working class men were sacrificed in their thousands; more affluent men could get exemptions.

On 4 May 1970, at Kent State University, four college students were shot and killed by the National Guard. Two weeks later, two black college students were shot and killed at Jackson State University, which is much less well remembered. The US was divided by the war.

In response, Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young released “Ohio”. I’ll focus on one line from this verse.

Gotta get down to it
Soldiers are cutting us down
Should have been done long ago.
What if you knew her
And found her dead on the ground
How can you run when you know?

“Should have been done long ago” refers to the sentiment of those who were pro-war that demonstrators should be shot, rather than allowed to express themselves. Free speech is one of the foundations of America. Unfortunately, these people disagreed with it. My neighbour at the time was one of them who said that phrase to me, almost word for word.

America survived that dark time. We will survive this one.

229454 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to ConstantBees, 1, #433 of 2064 🔗

Great song. love the Isley Brothers version too.

229707 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to ConstantBees, 2, #434 of 2064 🔗

Yes but where are the old warhorses of protest now?

229409 CapLlam, replying to CapLlam, 8, #435 of 2064 🔗

Went to a beauty salon yesterday as I had a voucher to use up. Wasn’t asked to sign in or use the T&T app despite the posters being on the wall

Got taking to the lady and she was full on sceptic. She said that she would have thought she would have had it with being in contact with lots of people but hasn’t.

She said a lot of people are saying that they are going to ignore the rules and just carry on.

In comparison I had to go to the emergency dentist to get a tooth taken out. Due to me being pregnant I’m classed as “vulnerable” so they had to double check I could go last night rather than wait until the shielding
and vulnerable clinic today. I managed to get in last night and every one was fully masked apart from me. I did notice the dental nurse had hers off whilst I wasn’t in the room and when she came to reception.

229556 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to CapLlam, 4, #436 of 2064 🔗

every one was fully masked apart from me

Well done. Your growing baby needs all the lovely oxygen you breathe

229637 ▶▶▶ CapLlam, replying to Victoria, 3, #437 of 2064 🔗

Thanks , I won’t deprive my unborn child of something that is vital for this wellbeing and growth. I’ve not worn one at all.
The lady who did my 12 week scan was a bit annoyed as I wouldn’t put a shield on at all and was shocked when I replied to her about going to the shops that I didn’t wear one.
I can see my 20 week scan being a battle as well

230084 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to CapLlam, 1, #438 of 2064 🔗

Fight the battle for your baby’s sake. Together, the two of you are invincible.

229413 chaos, replying to chaos, 19, #439 of 2064 🔗

I was meant to have a house inspection today (I rent). Amazingly.. people can still come to your home to inspect, view.. do work. Yet no friends or family can come and see you unless they are a suppoirt bubble?

So someone can go from home to home, perhaps 20 homes during the day, checking that you haven’t destroyed the place or set up a cannabis farm.. but I can’t have friends round.

The inspection person will be wearing a mask. I couldn’t do it. Feel like I am being mentally assaulted with Bojo’s nonsense rules. I’ve deadlocked the door and said I am isolating.

229439 ▶▶ Basics, replying to chaos, 11, #440 of 2064 🔗

Your friends are qualified friend experts by virtue of being a friend. As such can they enter your home to inspect for other friends – a Friend Finder General as it were.

229504 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Basics, 5, #441 of 2064 🔗

“A person carrying a clipboard never looks out of place” Can’t remember which detective story character said that. Nowadays you’d have to add a hi-viz vest I suppose.

229511 ▶▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to kf99, 1, #442 of 2064 🔗
229416 NickR, replying to NickR, 9, #443 of 2064 🔗

Hospitalisations have flatlined for over a week, here’s the data from yesterday.
Any non-pharmaceutical actions will take about 2 weeks to have any impact on hospitalisations., 3 to 4 weeks on fatalities.
If by next week hospitalisations are still at about the level they are now (remembering that the key driver for what increase there has been in recent weeks has been nosocomial infection, people in hospital picking up infection) can we call it endemic not a pandemic?
Please bring this data to the attention of your MP & remind them every few days.

229435 ▶▶ Basics, replying to NickR, 3, #444 of 2064 🔗

Really appreciate your data inputs NickR. Thank you.

229544 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to NickR, 2, #445 of 2064 🔗

>>>>If by next week hospitalisations are still at about the level they are now…. can we call it endemic not a pandemic?<<<

And would we not have a right then for Johnson, Whitty, Valance et al to be sent to the Tower. They can think themselves lucky Henry VIII isn’t knocking around.

230089 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Ned of the Hills, 2, #446 of 2064 🔗

If you see a Covid copper,
Ask King Henry for a chopper.
If you see a Covid minister,
Ask him for something more sinister.

229421 calchas, replying to calchas, 9, #447 of 2064 🔗

Question:

How long do people think the ‘Covid regime’ – anti-social distancing, masks, lockdowns can go on for?

229431 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to calchas, 10, #448 of 2064 🔗

Income tax was a temporary measure introduced to finance the war against Napoleon. As I am sure you are aware this temporary measure is still with us more than two hundred years later.

229437 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to calchas, 5, #449 of 2064 🔗

Some love it (collaborators)
Some hate it (Sceptics)
2nd Civil war?

229551 ▶▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Fingerache Philip., #450 of 2064 🔗

The problem is how will the collaborators socially distance in a fox hole?

230099 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Smelly Melly, #451 of 2064 🔗

They will build a six-foot fox hole.

229440 ▶▶ DRW, replying to calchas, 4, #452 of 2064 🔗

At least until everyone takes the “vaccine” and digital ID. Probably until the big agendas are fufilled unless there is a big game-changer.

229477 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to DRW, 5, #453 of 2064 🔗

It’s a race between a critical mass of people waking up and the vaccine/digital ID because that is the end of freedom

229522 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 2, #454 of 2064 🔗

I don’t see an awakening, not at this rate.

229447 ▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to calchas, 6, #455 of 2064 🔗

The only routes I see is the end of furlough and a complete collapse of employment. A possible collapse of the food supply chain and maybe utilities will probably sharpen people’s minds a little as the decsent into a second world status begins.

It’s only then I think the majority will see the cost as being significantly higher than the benefit and actually being an existential risk.

229453 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to calchas, 6, #456 of 2064 🔗

Pubs closing at 10.30pm was a WW1 emergency measure that stayed in place for 100 years.

229498 ▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to karenovirus, 3, #457 of 2064 🔗

It was indeed, to get munitions workers out of the pub so they were fit for work.

229465 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to calchas, 6, #458 of 2064 🔗

As the vaccination programme is mired in long term issues and is being touted as a carrot this could go in for years in one form or another. That’s why we’ve got to wake people up. We will be in and out of lockdowns continually, masks long term I think. It’s a bleak bleak future.

229475 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Marialta, 3, #459 of 2064 🔗

On Radio 4 this morning they reported that there are not enough older people coming forward to test the vaccines. Big stumbling block. Only younger people are up for the trial. I hope Toby will move more towards reporting on the problems with the vaccination programme. Also Yeadon has deemed it is unnecessary.

229512 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Marialta, 1, #460 of 2064 🔗

Agree. Worrying lack of attention.

229585 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to calchas, 2, #461 of 2064 🔗

As long as ‘they’ want. Unless they are killed.

230095 ▶▶ annie, replying to calchas, 1, #462 of 2064 🔗

Was talking yesterday to a semi-septic ( thinks some of the measures are sensible – she’ll learn).She said that whenever ‘six foot’ was mentioned, people all burst out laughing.

229430 Stephanos, replying to Stephanos, 12, #463 of 2064 🔗

Like most people on here (everyone?) I am deeply pessimistic today.
It is difficult to organise a real protest since the organs of the Government would break it up and do so violently because they don’t care. They would also issue crippling fines; much cheaper than sending someone to prison.
The church is of no help whatsoever; has Welby said anything? All that they do is work within the regulations, use imaginative ideas yada, yada, yada. They have clearly forgotten (did they ever know?) how John and Peter responded when ordered not to preach Jesus’ name (Acts 4:18), or Silas and Paul at Philippi (Acts 16), or Polycarp at Smyrna, or Martin Luther (Hier steh ich, ich kann kein anders) or, or, or.
I have a different proposal.
Let us get together a petition to the Queen, whom I believe to be the head of state, to dissolve parliament and oblige fresh elections to be called. Two new parties, Recovery and Reform are being established and with the exception of the 38 or 39 who actively voted against Lockdown 2.0 all seats should be contested. We will then have the opportunity to throw out these treasonous wretches.
There is much more scepticism in the country than you might imagine, and sometimes even a compliment about not wearing a face-nappy releases a torrent of criticism of the government.
I do not know how to phrase such a petition, still less how to get it off the ground, but we need to do it NOW, time is very short. ‘The days now are short. Either our hope cometh or all hopes end.’ From ‘The Return of the King, The Passing of the Grey Company, Tolkien’.
Toby, can you help please? I think you have my email but you could send a private message on this site.
Help!!!!

229434 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Stephanos, 6, #464 of 2064 🔗

You seem to have forgotten: they cancelled elections.

229432 Phil Beckley, replying to Phil Beckley, 18, #465 of 2064 🔗

The second lockdown is obviously Mr Johnson wishing to impose his views by force on the English people (I think he is the driving force behind lockdowns, as he certainly was behind the imposition of mask wearing.) I believe those views to be driven by his adherence to Green ideology. A recent comment, quoted in Julia Hartley Brewer’s Youtube interview with Lord Sumption, struck me as revealing: Mr Johnson saying that we should be humble in the face of Nature. This is idolatry: Nature as God. And God demands sacrifice…In Christianity the ideal sacrifice is of oneself: in lockdown it seems to be other people. There was a Telegraph piece a while ago by Mr Johnson on environmentalism, where he made a gross comparison in stating that the total tonnage of humanity exceeds that of other organisms: an observation that to me indicates ideological possession by the ideas of the Green movement. So actions that result in drastic reductions in economic activity (especially in say the airline and international tourism sectors) may not be as unwelcome as might be imagined.

229445 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Phil Beckley, 8, #466 of 2064 🔗

The claim that the total tonnage of humanity exceeds that of other organisms is obviously made up nonsense.

229471 ▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Steve Hayes, 9, #467 of 2064 🔗

About 80% of biomass is plants. Next come bacteria at 13%, fungi at 2%, and animals a little less than fungi. Humans about 0.01%.

229490 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Richard Pinch, 5, #468 of 2064 🔗

Yesterday in parliament Boris Johnson asserted that 70% of all transmission of the virus is asymptomatic. I suspect that was equally made up nonsense. Unfortunately, no one in the House seemed to notice.

229584 ▶▶▶▶▶ Phil Beckley, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #469 of 2064 🔗

I don’t have any original documentation, just this reference: on 13 May, the Elsevier Public Health Collection published a report in the US National Library of Medicine entitled “A Study on Infectivity of asymptomatic SARS-COV-2 Carriers.” Written by Chinese doctors in Guangdong Provincial People’s Hospital, it traced and tested 455 individuals: 35 patients, 196 family members and 224 hospital staff who had been brought into contact with an asymptomatic patient subsequently found to be infected. The median contact time for patients was 4 days and family members 5 days. NO SARS-COV-2 infections were detected in the 455 contacts by nucleic acid tests. This is just one study, of course, but rather casts doubt on the 70% claim.

229774 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Phil Beckley, 3, #470 of 2064 🔗

The World Health Organisation publicly stated that asymptomatic transmission is “very rare” and admitted that they were unaware of any definitely confirmed cases. Apparently, Boris does not know this, but Whitty certainly will.

229484 ▶▶▶ Phil Beckley, replying to Steve Hayes, #471 of 2064 🔗

I don’t have the original article, so I cannot say what the comparison was. But there was certainly a reference to human tonnage exceeding another figure relating to Nature, which had happened recently. It was the grossness of the comparison that has remained with me.

229492 ▶▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #472 of 2064 🔗

Aren’t there something like hundreds of trees (might have been have more) for every human on the planet? That alone rubbishes that position before you get into every other form of planet life, insects and bacteria.

I’m not a biologist and that doesn’t pass a covid impaired smell test.

229493 ▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Cicatriz, 5, #473 of 2064 🔗

Probably about 3 trillion trees and 7 billion humans. So 400 trees per human.

229446 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Phil Beckley, 12, #474 of 2064 🔗

Johnson is bloated on the ideas and ideology of others. My only question is what is the leverage they have on him.

229458 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Basics, 10, #475 of 2064 🔗

Financial I suspect. Not long ago the Daily Mail had a series of articles on him exposing his financial difficulties. It wasn’t so bad when he was married to Marina Wheeler as her financial acumen kept him on the straight and narrow but since the divorce and with the new baby, all these have eaten into his finances and have left him at the mercy of people who are willing to lend/give him money but of course they will demand a payback.

229479 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Basics, 1, #476 of 2064 🔗

No re-construction loans from THE BANKS for the UK. Noone will be left behind.

229561 ▶▶ DThom, replying to Phil Beckley, 5, #477 of 2064 🔗

He is being influenced by his ‘green’ girlfriend

229642 ▶▶▶ Phil Beckley, replying to DThom, #478 of 2064 🔗

Yes, I tend to concur.

230106 ▶▶ annie, replying to Phil Beckley, 1, #479 of 2064 🔗

Their God is not nature. If it were, for one thing they wouldn’t be bending all the rules so as to encourage fracking. Their god is Covid, Father of Lies.

230624 ▶▶▶ Phil Beckley, replying to annie, #480 of 2064 🔗

Boris got rid of experimental drilling in the Fylde last year, so that was consistent with his statement. From a traditional religious viewpoint, things good in themselves should not be treated as the transcendent (for example, art, education, the NHS, faith, religious law). I have come to believe that a society based on the God of the Torah, for example, would be a healthy and happy society, whether one believes in that God or not: as a guide to how to live in the world. (Christianity offers a rather different view which I find more difficult.) Nature, for me, does not offer such a guide. As to the Father of Lies, well, as an archetype at least he exists and he is not Covid; though he has made brilliant use of it. One author – I think C S Lewis – said about him that Satan’s greatest achievement was convincing humanity that he does not exist.

230853 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Phil Beckley, #481 of 2064 🔗

God of the Torah: An eye for an eye.
Christ: Do as you would be done by.

231373 ▶▶▶▶▶ Phil Beckley, replying to Cheezilla, #482 of 2064 🔗

Well, there was a lot of good stuff in the Torah – I think it a mistake to judge on one item and by today’s standards. ‘An eye for an eye” was an improvement on other legal codes of the time, which were even more severe. And I think Christ said he came to fulfil the law.

229443 Marialta, 6, #483 of 2064 🔗

https://www.aier.org/article/whats-behind-the-whos-lockdown-mixed-messaging/

Stacey Rubin investigates WHO director-general Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus’s past to explain why his lockdown message contradicts David Navarro’s. A long read but good to get a global perspective on the draconinan measures being enforced on our small island.

229457 AngloWelshDragon, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 23, #484 of 2064 🔗

A friend of mine has a banner on her Facebook page which says “I’m Staying Home to Save Lives”. I’m so struggling with the temptation to change mine to “I’m Going Out to Kill Your Nan”!

229463 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 6, #485 of 2064 🔗

You won’t have to. The gov will sort that out.

229476 ▶▶ jb12, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 6, #486 of 2064 🔗

Delete her.

229507 ▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to jb12, 11, #487 of 2064 🔗

No. I mute bedwetters for 30 days. I’d rather not fall into their divide and rule trap. This lady is an old friend and was sound on Brexit but one of those Brexiteers who is not a libertarian but just wanted the person wearing the jackboot stamping on her head to be British!

Plus if I block her, in a few years when she starts whining about her kids being out of work and her house and pension being worthless, I won’t have the pleasure of saying “well I did warn you”!

231225 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to AngloWelshDragon, #488 of 2064 🔗

Its irrelevant being sound on Brexit and indeed brexit itself is irrelevant now even to supporters. It was supposed to be about taking back control. I dont think we had in mind us being the ones under total control!

229491 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 15, #489 of 2064 🔗

Lockdown is murder.

That’s all you need to say. They know it kills and they did it anyway.

The virus, where it kills, is unavoidable. The lockdown, where it kills, was not unavoidable.

229520 ▶▶ chaos, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 1, #490 of 2064 🔗

I hope her nan gets raped, gets corona virus, then gets raped again

See.. these antideps they don’t suit me.. sorry folks this is going to last a few hours.

229779 ▶▶▶ dickyboy, replying to chaos, #491 of 2064 🔗

I enjoyed your post. Obliquely reminded me of George Carlin’s ‘Rape can be funny’ routine.

230114 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to chaos, #492 of 2064 🔗

Can Covid be sexually transmitted?

230857 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to annie, #493 of 2064 🔗

It’s covid. It can be transmitted any way Professors Doom and Gloom decide.

229461 Adam, 4, #494 of 2064 🔗

No more nonsense Johnson and Co have to go they have crossed a line,they are our servants Keir Starmer and the Labour party cannot be even considered as a potential Government I supported the SDP last December’s election and joined them in April mostly out of frustration at this vile government and it’s compliant opposition in Parliament We have to act We owe it to future generations and current generation,to ensure that this blantant abuse of power can never occur again without criminal penalties https://www.saveourrights.uk

229464 Eddy, replying to Eddy, 5, #495 of 2064 🔗

Is the UK Government looking at the legality of detaining and forcibly vaccinating citizens https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/9253/pdf/

229486 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Eddy, 5, #496 of 2064 🔗

Yes they are. With the inference being if people refuse then under the mental health act it will be insisted upon.

229576 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Eddy, 5, #497 of 2064 🔗

Yes.

Been part of the plan all along.

229468 NickR, replying to NickR, 8, #498 of 2064 🔗

Carl Heneghans Centre For Evidence Based Medicine has produced a study ( https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/the-ongoing-problem-of-hospital-acquired-infections-across-the-uk/ ) showing that hospital acquired infection has grown from 5% to 18% through October. I’ve copied one of his key charts here accompanied by a chart showing hospital admissions over the same period. On the hospital admissions line I’ve added a line showing a daily 5% growth (the lowest rate of nosocomial admission).
Has the entirety of the growth been fuelled from with the hospitals? In fact, without nosocomial admissions the trend would have been downwards!

229535 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to NickR, 3, #499 of 2064 🔗

The orange line in the first graph strongly suggests hospital admissions are levelling out. Yet we’re having a lockdown because they are projected to grow exponentially – (or something like that.)

229589 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Ned of the Hills, 5, #500 of 2064 🔗

LDs are now so effective, they even work before they start.

229481 The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 5, #501 of 2064 🔗

You have to sit in your reserved seat in this LNER train apparently. And they’ve put me opposite another passenger. I thought this virus was super deadly…

229515 ▶▶ chaos, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 13, #502 of 2064 🔗

As long as you are both eating sandwiches you are safe.

229538 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to chaos, 3, #503 of 2064 🔗

Yes very clever virus

229543 ▶▶▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to Victoria, 5, #504 of 2064 🔗

The lady has also just removed her face mask. A convert!?

229657 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 1, #505 of 2064 🔗

Good for her. A friend of ours has just jetted off to the Canaries with no issues.

Enjoy your time in Sweden!

229656 ▶▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to chaos, #506 of 2064 🔗

Don’t forget the cup of Tea or Coffee :).

229489 Victoria, 13, #507 of 2064 🔗

Great Barrington Declaration : Current Signature Count
Concerned Citizens:……………….. 616,043
Medical & Public Health Scientists:..11,766
Medical Practitioners: ………………… 33,819
TOTAL………………………………….. 661,628

Sign here
https://gbdeclaration.org/#sign

229500 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 16, #508 of 2064 🔗

I feel sorry for the dog.

229546 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Smelly Melly, 2, #509 of 2064 🔗

😅

230120 ▶▶ annie, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #510 of 2064 🔗

Dog must have lost its sense of smell and taste.
Bad sign.

229501 Cecil B, 2, #511 of 2064 🔗

What a first class prick Buckland is

He’s on the list

229514 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to p02099003, 9, #513 of 2064 🔗

So what actually caused him “brutal pain” was not covid but a chest infection and pneumonia. When I was in my early thirties I had a respiratory virus which knocked me off my feet for a few days and which turned into pneumonia. The pain was brutal but that was in the 1990s and it wasn’t covid. Nothing to see here – other than a chubby 20 year old with mental health issues attention seeking.

229596 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 5, #514 of 2064 🔗

I have commented about the pain being caused by a bacterial infection, and had he had influenza then it wouldn’t have been headline news. I am awaiting the inevitable backlash.

229586 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to p02099003, 2, #515 of 2064 🔗

So ? ‘My Covid19 hell by 20 year old student ‘the pain in my side was brutal’.

Goes on to say that a scan revealed pneumonia which had caused a blood clot in his chest hence the pain probably just as well he got Covid or the blood clot might have killed him.

229508 chaos, replying to chaos, 4, #516 of 2064 🔗

UK government spent £45M on face masks with a company called Win Billions headed by one Ric Yun Fai Wu, resident of Hong Kong.. the masks never materialised and the company and owner seem to have vanished..

The US also seem to have spent $27M on masks from the same company… they didn’t get them either.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8913265/JANET-STREET-PORTER-Boris-Johnson-Brainiacs-Doom.html

https://www.offshorealert.com/purple-surgical-uk-ltd-v-ric-wu-win-billion-investments-group-ltd-fraud-complaint.aspx

230125 ▶▶ annie, replying to chaos, #517 of 2064 🔗

Actually I got one of those masks. It’s the one I don’t wear, every day.

229513 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 4, #518 of 2064 🔗

MPs audibly groaned in the House of Commons when the Prime Minister stood up and walked out during Theresa May’s speech which criticised the government’s handling of the second lockdown. What she said https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lm-_A9LVYi8&feature=youtu.be

This is Johnson’s Jacob Rees-Mogg ‘lounging on frontbench’ moment

229516 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Victoria, 2, #519 of 2064 🔗

Remember this?

229517 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 5, #520 of 2064 🔗

Just been looking at a local paper (Stourbridge) and it “lists” the total number of CV cases in varying districts of the town.
53 here,29 there, 64 in other places.
Funny, ain’t it that everyone you talk to in Stourbridge has never heard of a single case!
STRANGE, THAT.

229532 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Fingerache Philip., 5, #521 of 2064 🔗

You don’t think some people went to hospital for say, a broken leg and then that wicked virus mutated them into covid patients, do you?

229616 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #522 of 2064 🔗

Very likely.
Another strange thing: as we got closer to LD2, the cases and deaths increased each day.
Like I said before: STRANGE THAT, AIN’T IT?

229571 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #523 of 2064 🔗

They have been doing that around here throughout and apart from care workers few know anybody who has ‘had it; plus the many people who are convinced they ‘had it’ themselves before ‘it’ became the Covid.

229627 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to karenovirus, 1, #524 of 2064 🔗

Like the wimps who sneeze twice and have a week off (Paid of course) and say that they had the flu.

229519 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #525 of 2064 🔗

Why didn’t Toby include a question about this quote in his list to Tweedledumb and Tweedledumber?

Momentous quote from CMO Chris Whitty on the 21st July 2020:

“If you look at the R, and the behaviours, quite a lot of the change that led to the R going below one occurred well before, or to some extent before, the 23rd, when the full lockdown started.”

He knows about it, he’s got it on e-mail etc but no-one will ever mention it.

Why?

229528 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #526 of 2064 🔗

The other thing is the letter Whitty sent to Greg Clark yesterday saying his response to the declining number of positive cases in Liverpool was misunderstood by commentators. Prompted of course by Carl Heneghan’s chart of declining cases among the over 60s a couple of hours after the select committee hearing. There was no misunderstanding – he either did not know the data (worrying) or he was acting as an unreliable witness, in legal parlance (also worrying). Either way he should resign or be sacked.

229682 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #527 of 2064 🔗

Any link for that letter?

229525 DeepBlueYonder, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 5, #528 of 2064 🔗

The BBC reports today that quantitative easing (the equivalent of printing money) by the Bank of England in 2020 as a result of SARS-CoV-2, now amounts to £450 billion .

See: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54817872

That amount would fund the Department of Health and Social Care in England in its entirety for over three years.

“Planned spending for the Department of Health and Social Care in England is £140.4 billion in 2019/20.” See: https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/projects/nhs-in-a-nutshell/nhs-budget

229651 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to DeepBlueYonder, #529 of 2064 🔗

That amount would fund the Department of Health and Social Care in England in its entirety for over three years.”

Yes it already has. That’s sort of the point.

A nice fact sheet on what QE is, and importantly what it isn’t, here if you are interested:

https://gimms.org.uk/fact-sheets/quantitative-easing/

229526 mattghg, 2, #530 of 2064 🔗

A week in the life of the MPs John Howell (Henley), David Johnston (Wantage), Robert Courts (Witney) and Victoria Prentis (Banbury):

30 October: Use your influence to keep your constituencies out of Tier 2 .

4 November: Vote to place the entire country under lockdown .

If they didn’t have double standards, they wouldn’t have any standards at all.

229527 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 18, #531 of 2064 🔗

It’s the dishonesty about what the virus actually IS that is most upsetting. People denying there IS a virus are as dangerous as those being dishonest about it. There IS a virus, a new mutation of a human coronavirus (new human coronaviruses have been emerging and have been detected regularly since the 1960s). But it is NOT deadly to the vast majority of people. Almost ALL people, in fact at least 99%, will NOT die and very few will need hospitalisation. Those liable to dying as a result of it are very old or very sick and are just as susceptible to ANY virus. The more it spreads through the healthy population, the BETTER. Get it while you are young and healthy so that you are better equipped to fight it if you catch it when you’re old (this used to be the philosophy towards most viruses and diseases – why we called them “childhood diseases” – before the pharmaceutical companies saw a profitable opportunity.) The language around it MUST be changed. Politicians are dishonest, the media is dishonest, medical professionals are dishonest when they twist the language (“cases” for “asymptomatic positive tests”, “Coronavirus” for “covid-19” or “novel coronavirus”). Sloppy language has needlessly terrified a population and if we don’t INSIST it is changed, millions will die from the result of unnecessary restrictions and inhumane behaviour. Masks are inhumane. Isolation is inhumane. House arrest is inhumane. Denying people access to life saving facilities and operations is INHUMANE! STOP IT!! PLEASE!!

229565 ▶▶ WhyNow, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #532 of 2064 🔗

It does work too. They have stopped calling it death “from”. You don’t hear that now, except from health guardians.

229621 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 5, #533 of 2064 🔗

It’s all driven by the PCR. That’s it. Just knock that out and cases drop overnight, number of people isolating drops dramatically, NHS staff isolating can return to work, ICU witb capacity issues in certain places can get their staff back, deaths marked as Covid are only genuine so daily deaths go.

It’s an open goal.

229531 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 8, #534 of 2064 🔗

I made a point of e-mailing they 39 to thank them (except for Julian Lewis, who won’t share his e-mail address). N one of them is my MP so they’re not obliged to reply, but s o far I’ve had acknowledgements from Richard Drax and (the office of) Sammy Wilson anyway.

229549 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to mattghg, 1, #535 of 2064 🔗

Do you have that mailing list? I’d like to do the same!

229562 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 4, #536 of 2064 🔗

This is what I get from my e-mail provider. You may have to sort through it a bit:

BAKER, Steve <steve.baker.mp@parliament.uk>; HOLLOBONE, Philip <philip.hollobone.mp@parliament.uk>; AFRIYIE, Adam <adam.afriyie.mp@parliament.uk>; BONE, Peter <peter.bone.mp@parliament.uk>; Office of Graham Brady <altsale@parliament.uk>; BRINE, Steve <steve.brine.mp@parliament.uk>; CHOPE, Christopher <CHOPEC@parliament.uk>; DAVIES, Philip <philip.davies.mp@parliament.uk>; DJANOGLY, Jonathan <jonathan.djanogly.mp@parliament.uk>; DOYLEPRICE, Jackie <jackie.doyleprice.mp@parliament.uk>; DRAX, Richard <richard.drax.mp@parliament.uk>; DUNCAN SMITH, Iain <iain.duncansmith.mp@parliament.uk>; FYSH, Marcus <marcus.fysh.mp@parliament.uk>; GREEN, Chris <chris.green.mp@parliament.uk>; GRUNDY, James <james.grundy.mp@parliament.uk>; HARPER, Mark <mark.harper.mp@parliament.uk>; HENDERSON, Gordon <gordon.henderson.mp@parliament.uk>; LOUGHTON, Timothy <tim.loughton.mp@parliament.uk>; MACKINLAY, Craig <craig.mackinlay.mp@parliament.uk>; stephen@stephenmcpartland.co.uk ; MCVEY, Esther <esther.mcvey.mp@parliament.uk>; MERRIMAN, Huw <huw.merriman.mp@parliament.uk>; MORRIS, AnneMarie <annemarie.morris.mp@parliament.uk>; PENNING, Mike <mike.penning.mp@parliament.uk>; REDWOOD, John <john.redwood.mp@parliament.uk>; ROSINDELL, Andrew <andrew.rosindell.mp@parliament.uk>; SMITH, Henry <henry.smith.mp@parliament.uk>; SWAYNE, Desmond <desmond.swayne.mp@parliament.uk>; SYMS, Robert (2nd Mailbox) <symsmp.office@parliament.uk>; THOMAS, Derek <derek.thomas.mp@parliament.uk>; WALKER, Charles <charles.walker.mp@parliament.uk>; WHITTAKER, Craig <craig.whittaker.mp@parliament.uk>; william@williamwragg.org.uk ; GIRVAN, Paul <paul.girvan.mp@parliament.uk>; LOCKHART, Carla <carla.lockhart.mp@parliament.uk>; PAISLEY, Ian <ian.paisley.mp@parliament.uk>; BARRON, Janet <BARRONJ@parliament.uk>; HUGGINS, Katharine <katharine.huggins@parliament.uk>

229566 ▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to mattghg, #537 of 2064 🔗

Fantastic! Thank you!

230022 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to mattghg, #538 of 2064 🔗

Based on the list below, logically, Julian Lewis would be julian.lewis.mp@parliament.uk

229533 Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 17, #539 of 2064 🔗

People giving Lockdown 2.0 the respect it deserves (good on them!):

“Packed tubes and rush hour chaos marks first morning of second coronavirus lockdown” (The Mirror)

“Platforms at train stations and underground stations were also rammed with queues of commuters waiting to board trains as many sat side-by-side and stood alongside one another onboard.”

229569 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ozzie, 11, #540 of 2064 🔗

I’m hoping this lockdown will just fall apart because enough people just won’t do it.

229573 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #541 of 2064 🔗

A de facto Swedish model, nice.

229591 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to A. Contrarian, 6, #542 of 2064 🔗

If people don’t, it will be men on the streets with guns. They will not give up.

229906 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to A. Contrarian, #543 of 2064 🔗

trying to cross the North circular road this morning was just as gridlocked as normal-unlike the empty road at the end of March.

229910 ▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 2, #544 of 2064 🔗

also the construction sites are still operating unlike March – although that time they were shamed into closing

229536 Cecil B, 9, #545 of 2064 🔗

The Rapist Dad and Chief Sadist of Wales has announced that from Monday

‘Four people meeting ‘outside’ will be legal’

‘Anyone meeting another person in a garden will be illegal’

It would appear the virus also has a degree in horticulture

Presumably meeting in an inside garden is legal?

Doesn’t really matter as most of the children of Wales died of hypothermia in the great frost last night

229539 Rosie, 6, #546 of 2064 🔗

By way of stress management and healthy lifestyle, don’t forget that several food items can be started at any time of the year. Especially recommend growing kale, several varieties.

229541 Smelly Melly, 5, #547 of 2064 🔗

Remember we will have the great reset whether we like it or not, because that’s how democracy works.

229545 THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 2, #548 of 2064 🔗

Another great update. We’re recording the next episode of The Real Normal Podcast tomorrow. If you haven’t already, check out last week’s episode on how crackers waiting for a vaccine is. 👇

https://therealnormalpodcast.buzzsprout.com/

We are doing research into the deaths recorded over 60 days of a ‘positive test’ as PHE, the NHS and Gov contrive to increase cases with awful PCR, multiple + case attibution and the lack of any up to date hospital occupation data.

229547 NonCompliant, replying to NonCompliant, 4, #549 of 2064 🔗

Hello. Just thought i’d nip back in here to make a suggestion.Now we’ve got the Reclaim and Reform parties firing up I think it’s time to get our MP’s to unconsciously hang themselves.

Have emailed my local MP’s a nice and simple binary question email regards facemasks. Copy and change as appropriate:

I was very dissapointed to see that you and a large swather of your party are currently 100% supportive of all current Covid-19 related restrictions, including the imposition of a 2nd national lockdown.

In my past emails I have carefull laid out facts and reason for opposition to these measures and have asked for a justification of your own position. Your response was less than satisfactory however.

With that in mind I feel that it would serve me and your other constituents better if I took a different approach. Please take a look a the attached info-graphic.

I would now like you to clearly state whether given the evidence before your own eyes whether you think the wearing of facemasks works? A simple yes or no response will suffice but if you want to go into detail as to why your position might go against the evidence of the info-graphic please be my guest.

I look forward to your reply,

Send that with the attached pic and save their responses for your own dosier on the ineptitude of your MP. Just keep sending more and more simple single response emails like this based on facts and add to your records.

When the time comes you have all the evidence needed to help discredit these moron’s if by some miracle we have an opportunity to vote before we’re living in WEF World.

229558 ▶▶ DRW, replying to NonCompliant, 3, #550 of 2064 🔗

But just think how bad it would have been without them.

229572 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to DRW, #551 of 2064 🔗

You wag!

229581 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Basics, 1, #552 of 2064 🔗

Zealots will argue the same as with lockdowns- either that, or “not enough following the rules”. Newer rubbish from the other week is that they aren’t being washed enough or aren’t medical grade.

229610 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to DRW, #553 of 2064 🔗

We see the road of travel elsewhere. There is no admission of being wrong on anything. They’ll double down. Masks on everyone, everywhere. Then it’ll be the type of mask had to be surgical masks. Then no under the chin, blah blah.

The thing is these countries are ahead on this double down efforts and guess what.

229552 Malcolm Mays, replying to Malcolm Mays, 8, #554 of 2064 🔗

It’s a disgrace that alternative opinions weren’t sought and the lockdown is put in place on old data.

229592 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Malcolm Mays, 2, #555 of 2064 🔗

And manipulated old data at that!

229604 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 7, #556 of 2064 🔗

I’ll say again what I said yesterday and I really do not understand the government’s behaviour in the light of this.
The “gang of four” know they have manipulated the data. As I said this is lying pure and simple.
They know they are lying, we know they are lying and they know that we know they are lying.
It can’t end well.
Or something I didn’t say yesterday, do they not care how it ends because they plan for us not to have any say in it whatsoever for the indefinite future?

229676 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to steph, 2, #557 of 2064 🔗

I said that to a friend yesterday and he said I was wrong.I cannot see how they will ever let us vote again

229690 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #558 of 2064 🔗

Part of me wishes they would just suspend voting; then at least the situation would be clear.

Our current “democracy” is a sham where we are given the merest whiff of self-determination that in reality buys us nothing at all.

What does matter who you vote for when every candidate is the same person wearing a different face?

229757 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Mabel Cow, #559 of 2064 🔗

You seem to have forgotten, they cancelled elections.

229802 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TT, replying to Mabel Cow, #560 of 2064 🔗

Soon they’ll all be masked up full-time anyway, so we won’t even have the illusion of different faces. 30 identical mugshots to choose from, long live freedom of choice…

229896 ▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to steph, #561 of 2064 🔗

every day towards Dec 2nd this will eat away at people-and trying to announce an extension even one that stops short of Christmas won’t be welcomed

229553 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 7, #562 of 2064 🔗

Late yesterday I posted on fireworks being let off in the local park after 10pm (final ‘Time Gentlemen Please’).
The largish group of young people spilled out of the park throwing fireworks at each other across the street laughing and screaming .
This went on for about an hour, it did not bother me but I was surprised that the Police did not arrive.

I have since learned that they were called several times because the revellers were throwing fireworks at passing vehicles.
They chose not to put a stop to this dangerous practise possibly because they were concentrating their efforts on anticipated rowdiness in the city centre.
I have also heard of firework abuse in neighbouring areas and look forward to hearing what occured in our ‘rough estate’ over the river.

229608 ▶▶ Mark, replying to karenovirus, 3, #563 of 2064 🔗

Fireworks abuse has always been a bit of fun for livelier youths at this time of year. Occasionally ends in tears and serious injury, but mostly not This was on a Sheffield main road a couple of weeks ago:

Shocking moment gang of hooded youth launch fireworks at moving cars in Sheffield

229890 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to karenovirus, 1, #564 of 2064 🔗

plenty of fireworks round my way-I expect more tonight.

229554 CreakyCrane, replying to CreakyCrane, 26, #565 of 2064 🔗

Well, I dropped the sprog off at school this morning – 99% adherence to the new ‘parents have to wear masks on school grounds’ rule. Whilst I was there, just me and another mum (with her sunflower lanyard held aloft) without one on.
Sad really that so many people don’t realise they do not have to wear them.
What worried me most though was a ‘marshal’ type person sternly watching parents whom I assume was taking note/will speak to unmasked parents/enforce the new rule.
This is what we have come to, so utterly shameful….. off to drown my sorrows in a pile of laundry…..

229579 ▶▶ William Hand, replying to CreakyCrane, 22, #566 of 2064 🔗

Just tell the Marshall to “fuck off” and “mind your own business”. He has no authority over you.

229580 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to William Hand, 6, #567 of 2064 🔗

Hear hear

229645 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to William Hand, 1, #568 of 2064 🔗

I live in a country town, so no shortage of feathers, just need the tar now.

229594 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to CreakyCrane, 12, #569 of 2064 🔗

My daughters school hasn’t gone there yet but it must have been mentioned as she came out on Monday telling me we now need to wear one. There’s been nothing official said so I dismissed it and told her people can wear one if they want. She’s 4 years old.

I won’t be wearing one under any circumstances. I know the principal personally and he is very pragmatic about the whole situation and I feel for him. But if this becomes a request, I’ll be politely explaining my exemption and views on the matter.

229600 ▶▶ TJN, replying to CreakyCrane, 7, #570 of 2064 🔗

Same as me outside daughter’s school. Only parent without a muzzle. Who gives a fuck,

229638 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to CreakyCrane, 4, #571 of 2064 🔗

If the Marshall is not a police officer or health professional they can’t in law question you.

229560 alw, replying to alw, 5, #572 of 2064 🔗

A good thread on masks.
“Thread web ⬆️ ⬇️
Mass killer face masks by promoting bacterial and fungal pneumonia
“…we conclude the use of face masks will contribute to far more morbidity and mortality than has occu…”

A thread from @Thomas_Binder
https://threader.app/thread/1321869969735516160

229563 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to alw, 3, #573 of 2064 🔗

I think this is what the Danish mask study will show, if it is ever published.

229679 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #574 of 2064 🔗

What Danish mask study? There never was one according to Zuckerberg, Gates and Dorsey. The BBC’s Reality Check service have fact-checked the matter and confirm that is the case.

229567 Basics, replying to Basics, 4, #575 of 2064 🔗

Dr Thomas Binder – wonderful interview on the Richie Allen Radio Show.

https://youtu.be/NWB103BRHjM

He makes some excellent informed observations. One being the virus has not been isolated, this is by no means all Dr Binder is saying – it’s a long interview that covers a lot of ground.

In my opinion no isolated virus might not have relevance given science is now a belief structure and the fear/hysteria is the core component to the destruction of our economies. However, in terms of developing treatment it would appear to me critical to have an isolated foe on which it is possible to observe responses. Others here will know much more about this than I do.

Thoroughly recommend Dr Binder in interview – he has been arrested for speaking out about the dangers of lockdown and questioning the PCR test. He deserves a listen.

229575 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Basics, #576 of 2064 🔗

Listening to it now. Brilliant.

229582 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Basics, 3, #577 of 2064 🔗

Also recommend Gareth Icke who was the first guest. As he has been seeing this stuff from a long way off, he is further down the road of frustration than most. So it was interesting as I think we will all experience similar emotions soon if not already.

He articulated his lack of care for businesses which are simply closing their doors because of the rules, rather than fighting back. Especially those that had strict enforcement of masks and the like.

He believes that the man on the street has more sense of what is actually going on than the professionals and well educated.

His hate for the mainstream media is of course a given.

Dr Binders interview an excellent overview of everything wrong with PCR and the article published on LS here today on the same subject only adds to what we know.

Why o why is this not being jumped on now. Francis Hoars questions are all that’s needed. It’s an open goal.

229590 Dave #KBF, replying to Dave #KBF, 8, #578 of 2064 🔗
229618 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Dave #KBF, 4, #579 of 2064 🔗

Graham, where have you been all my life?! I haven’t come across this guy before, DD. I very much hope his measured, clearly articulated views will get more coverage.

229624 ▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #580 of 2064 🔗

JHB need to get him on her show, anyone have contact details or follower JHB on Twitter?

229625 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #581 of 2064 🔗

Download it or share it before it gets taken down

229669 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Dave #KBF, 3, #582 of 2064 🔗

Thanks for the link.An absolute view for everyone of this scientist.Former Biomedical scientist working at the Public Health Laboratory in Colindale.More difficult to get a more competent person to speak about this.
Three messages.C-19 is now through selection a much more mild virus than originally.Second: There is evidence that flu vaccinations increase the risk for other non-flu respiratory infection.He cites now 83 people dead in SK after flu vaccine and Singapoer has stopped flu vaccination.Third Mask.A RCT trial of hospital worker wearing cloth masks did not protet them from influenza.There is also a SK trial (paper retracted Why?) which shows that C-19 cases with clothmasks (this virus is even less size than flu virus) spread the virus outside and deposit on the cloth mask making any fiddling with masks very likely to spread.
He fully support Michel Yeadon and is very suspicious now of the PCR and why we suddenly seemed to have no influenza.
This video must be shared widely.

229743 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Dave #KBF, 2, #583 of 2064 🔗

Good to see that somebody with proper scientific credentials is asserting that the virus is now much attenuated and has ‘very low pathogenicity’. Something that has been obvious to me for months. Not because I have any scientific credentials, but because I can read!
Witless and Invalid have been stating that 90% of the population remain susceptible.
The true figure is probably considerably less than 10%. And they know this…
At least 40% have cross-reactive T-cell immunity from exposure to past coronaviruses.
Another 40% have been exposed to this coronavirus, and now have SARS-CoV-2 specific T-cell mediated immunity. And then you have children who have super-functional innate immunity.
So the actuality is 10% (probably much less) of the population remains susceptible to this virus. And this virus has lost viral fitness, with greatly reduced intra-host relication ability.

The only thing that keeps this going is the testdemic. And the Liverpool pilot is purely about self-isolating as many individuals as possible.

We now have a situation where any vaccine predicated on antibodies, is perhaps going to be more dangerous than the now attenuated virus.

“Vaccination induces humoral and cellular immune response in immunized individuals. In the normal condition, when the homologous virus enters an immunized body, it will be neutralized or cleared by vaccine-induced neutralizing antibodies (Abs) or specific T cells, respectively. In the context of vaccine-associated disease enhancement, vaccines mainly induce non-neutralizing Abs or low titres of neutralizing Abs (suboptimal concentration) or type 2 T helper cell (T H 2 cell)-biased T cell responses. When these vaccinated individuals are challenged by homotypic or heterotypic serotype viruses, the antibodies will immediately recognize the viruses and mediate antibody-dependent disease exacerbation in two ways. First, virus–antibody complexes might enter Fc receptor (FcR)-bearing cells, such as dendritic cells and monocytes, by FcR-mediated internalization, which is termed ‘antibody-dependent enhancement’ (ADE). For viruses with innate tropism for FcR-bearing cells, such as dengue virus, ADE will result in higher viral loads than in conditions without antibodies. a | After entry, the virus, no matter whether it replicates or does not replicate, may activate a harmful immune response, resulting in the release of proinflammatory cytokines. b | Aside from ADE, antibody–antigen complexes can stimulate the complement pathway through activation of the C1q pathway, thus further strengthening the inflammatory responses c | Vaccine-associated disease enhancement can also involve a T H 2 cell-biased immune response. The activated T H 2 cells contribute to the activation of antibody production. However, they release interleukin-4 (IL-4), IL-13 and IL-5, as well as eosinophil chemoattractant, thus resulting in eosinophil infiltration and proinflammatory cytokine production in the lung. d | Natural killer (NK) cells and CD8 + cytotoxic T lymphocytes (CTLs) are poorly stimulated in T H 2 cell-skewed immune responses. The exaggerated cytokine release (part b ), activation of the complement pathway (part c ) and the excessive mobilization of eosinophils all contribute to the infiltration of the lung by eosinophils, neutrophils and lymphocytes, and production of inflammatory cytokines (part d), leading to acute lung injury or acute respiratory distress syndrome .”

And from Sars-1:-
“ADE was also observed in SARS vaccines. A SARS vaccine based on recombinant SARS-CoV S protein protected hamsters from SARS-CoV infection; however, the S protein-specific antibodies could mediate FcR-dependent entry into B cells in vitro 82 , 83 . Furthermore, diluted SARS-CoV S protein-specific antibodies resulted in increased virus infectivity and cytopathic effect in an HL-CZ human promonocyte cell line 84 . Except for the ADE, antibody-mediated unbalanced macrophage activation has been reported to be associated with obvious lung injury in vivo. Passive transfer of anti-S IgG abrogated wound-healing responses and promoted proinflammatory monocyte and macrophage recruitment and accumulation in the lungs of macaques after viral challenge, indicating that SARS-CoV S protein-specific antibodies could elicit pathogenic immune responses, as well as enhance disease severity after SARS-CoV infection

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41579-020-00462-y

Whole article needs reading…

229595 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 18, #584 of 2064 🔗

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/05/public-failure-follow-rules-led-to-second-england-coronavirus-lockdown-says-minister-robert-buckland

Cunt.

So when this one doesn’t work (which it won’t), people will be calling for Lockdown 3.0 (armed forces on the streets with a strict shoot to kill policy – women and children would be viable targets and anyone who is shot should have their family pay for the bullets)

Probably still won’t go far enough for some people though

229605 ▶▶ steph, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #585 of 2064 🔗

Add him to the list if not already on it.

229633 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #586 of 2064 🔗

Lockdowns kill innocent people. Perhaps the Minister may wish to be aware of that ?

229648 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #587 of 2064 🔗

Posted this late last night:

Lockdown causes deaths. All deaths are due to Covid-19. Deaths increase as we approach the 2nd December renewal date. Increase in deaths is due to people not obeying the restrictions. The restrictions must therefore be tightened and extended. Which will cause more deaths. Rinse and repeat indefinitely.

229981 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to captainbeefheart, #588 of 2064 🔗

I’ve even had people tell me in all honesty that I should be removed from my home and placed in a detention camp. I am the enemy! Not the cunts (you said it first!) who have succeeded in our imprisonment for their gain. We have to fight but how do we fight these utter wankers?

229598 Zak Thelotofem, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 12, #589 of 2064 🔗

Don’t know about you but the last time I played tennis I didn’t get within ten yards of my fellow player. Wondered what sort of tennis Boris and his ‘experts’ engaged in?

Answers on a postcard!

229611 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 2, #590 of 2064 🔗

I’m amazed that non-big-money sports were allowed at all.

Maybe they should ban Tennis (except for sponsored tournaments) because it is so dangerous and you could get a swing-ball set (you don’t need a second player).

EDIT: Actually, you probably can’t – sounds like a non-essential item

231235 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Zak Thelotofem, #591 of 2064 🔗

tonsil tennis….as we used to call it!

229603 James Bertram, 19, #592 of 2064 🔗

Email sent to my Guildford MP just now:

Dear Angela Richardson,

Just to remind you what you voted for yesterday:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8914373/Police-ARREST-qualified-nurse-trying-97-year-old-mother-care-home.html

You disgust me.

Yours sincerely,
JB

229606 cloud6, replying to cloud6, 19, #593 of 2064 🔗

Woke up this morning to the day Britain moved closer to a dictatorship and police state, and cried.

Yesterday was a day of contrast’s and joy. As a close family of one brother and two sisters we had at last managed to get together (after 9 months) for a meal together at a Morrison Cafe, this was good and we had a chin wag for over 3 hours. We left and on leaving much to the horror of a Morrisons minder my sister hugged her sister (the minder said nothing) and I held back the tears of joy.

Next was unbelievable, on arriving home I had a call, message, text, voicemail, email, another call asking for help (from a friend and neighbour who is s full on control freak) with a email app on a mobile phone all in quick succession (one after another). When I did not respond to this intrusion another call, then at 8pm there was a doorbell ring, followed by a knock, then a rattle of the letterbox. It was evident this person was not going to give up so we eventually answered, there she was fully masked up gloves etc demanding help, well, I am normally a placid person but I exploded, I said I would help her the next day and if that’s ok. Well i wont repeat the next.

What have we become in 9 month’s. Seems like I am going to lose a lot of friends.

I just had to get this off my chest.

229615 ▶▶ chaos, replying to cloud6, 7, #594 of 2064 🔗

I started the day with two glasses of Rose. I feel your pain.

229620 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to cloud6, 3, #595 of 2064 🔗

Sadly it sounds like your neighbour like many others now has lost the plot!

229696 ▶▶▶ cloud6, replying to Suzyv, 1, #596 of 2064 🔗

I would have gone out of my way to help (always) normally as they are good neighbours, needless to say my todays invitation was not accepted.

230011 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to cloud6, 2, #597 of 2064 🔗

I’ve lost practically all my friends and yesterday my hairdresser who is a friend and who has been cutting my hair for over 13 years, managed to put back my postponed appointment until late January, despite the fact that during the much longer lockdown she offered me an appointment within 2 weeks of reopening. I made the mistake, during my last appointment, of answering her truthfully when she asked my opinion of Covid-19. It was a tumbleweed moment as she and her sidekicks rolled their eyes and tutted. Cancelled by a long term friend and hairdresser. I’ll keep the Absolut I’d bought her for Christmas! I also lost my very oldest friend who I’ve known 40 years simply for my views on Covid-19. Blocked on Facebook and no contact since August. These people have decided that, for simply seeing through this farce, I am a completely different person to the one they knew previously. I now see them as collaborators and no better than the Germans who turned a blind eye in the 1930’s. The old and sick are being culled. I am old and sick and feel one accident or crisis away from a death camp with a DNAR on my head.

231236 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Mutineer, #598 of 2064 🔗

These people are not friends…they are utter scum not fit to lick your boots. Anyone who blocks for a different viewpoint clearly thought nothing of you to begin with. Rejoice that these utter filth are no longer in your life.

229622 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 2, #600 of 2064 🔗

Sorry Captain, just noticed you’ve already posted it, but no harm in reiterating it.

229632 ▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Tenchy, 3, #601 of 2064 🔗

No probs, hard to check every post!

I also noticed this in The Guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/nov/04/four-week-cancer-treatment-delay-raises-death-risk-study-nhs-covid

Missing cancer screening appointments (or in this case delaying them by just 4 weeks) increases chances of death by 10%. Who would have ever thought.

(I wonder if it gets exponentially worse? E.g. the chance of death doubles for every four weeks you miss it, so after 20 weeks you have a 160% chance of death…)

229626 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Tenchy, 1, #602 of 2064 🔗

Typical propaganda

229630 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Tenchy, 1, #603 of 2064 🔗

What a misguided gentleman. As if anything a Sapien can do is able to control RNA life forms. That’s not how nature works. Ah, but then real science no longer applies does it ?

229619 Quernus, replying to Quernus, 23, #604 of 2064 🔗

Mr Q flew back on Tuesday from Mexico. We were the only two unmasked people in the airport, and weren’t challenged about it once, despite the copious number of police around. It was a very surreal experience – I saw a couple reuniting and celebrating with a masked kiss (ick). This really is a case of mass hypnosis.

We watched V for Vendetta last night. Very cathartic.

229664 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Quernus, 7, #605 of 2064 🔗

…just don’t watch Children of Men .

I re-watched it the other day, and the depiction of fortress Britain quite literally made me weep.

229674 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #606 of 2064 🔗

That film used to be about the near future.

229879 ▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, #607 of 2064 🔗

seen it several times on TV -Most times from the same moment 20 minutes from the end.

229884 ▶▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #608 of 2064 🔗

also someone mentioned the scene at Battersea power station happens to have a pig floating above it. A homage to the Pink Floyd album “Animals”-which in itself features mainly three tracks “Dogs”, “Pigs” and “Sheep”. An apt commentary on today.

229677 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #609 of 2064 🔗

Agreed. Saw it in the cinema when it came out. Never been able to re-watch it, so disturbing.

229686 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Mabel Cow, 6, #610 of 2064 🔗

That film is now about 6 months away from being a documentary.

229702 ▶▶▶ Arkansas, replying to Mabel Cow, #611 of 2064 🔗

“Only Britain Soldiers On!”

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3SIIoSQ2D0s

229775 ▶▶▶ Mark H, replying to Mabel Cow, #612 of 2064 🔗

I drew comparisons between the product Quietus shown in the film (euthanasia) and the fact that NZ has made euthanasia legal. Is a government-backed euthanasia concoction on its way as a legal out for those crushed by all this?

230043 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Mark H, #613 of 2064 🔗

Yes.

If the plan is to reduce the numbers of ‘useless eaters’, it makes sense to do those willing to self-reduce first.

230037 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Quernus, #614 of 2064 🔗

Great film. 🙂

229628 DThom, replying to DThom, 5, #615 of 2064 🔗

When the government show the daily death toll from covid could they also show the numbers that died from each other cause. Just to give some perspective!

229631 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to DThom, 12, #616 of 2064 🔗

Of course they could. But then the game would be up.

229644 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to DThom, 1, #617 of 2064 🔗

Don’t be daft.

229749 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to DThom, #618 of 2064 🔗

Here’s the numbers: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/monthlymortalityanalysisenglandandwales/august2020

They publish them. No secret. But they don’t draw attention to them and the corporate media (with few exceptions) ignore them. But anyone can access them.

230014 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to DThom, #619 of 2064 🔗

EVERYONE dies of Covid-19. Even hospice deaths are counted in.

229635 Suzyv, replying to Suzyv, 7, #620 of 2064 🔗

Apology if already posted but a good and concise 10 minutes with Mike Yeadon this morning on Talk Radio. What he says and covers, we should all send a copy to our MP’s. https://youtu.be/4FQUmw5QljM

I wrote to my MP two days ago setting out all of my concerns about this lockdown and restrictions on our lives and asking him to do the right thing and to vote yesterday to protect his Constituents and people and not by locking down which harms and kills more and destroys jobs. He replied saying he agreed and was on the same page. Then when I looked at the votes guess what he voted for!? No need to spell it out. Dishonest, liar… doesn’t even come close.

229807 ▶▶ Bill Hickling, replying to Suzyv, #621 of 2064 🔗

Ours was the same despite being on the radio saying he was undecided. Spineless, careerists.

229915 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Suzyv, #622 of 2064 🔗

Interesting he said couldn’t explain why Whitty and Vallance were pursuing the lockdown path unless it was a question of money or the (Great) Reset!!

229636 Eddy, replying to Eddy, 23, #623 of 2064 🔗

Graham Hutchinson, ex-Senior Chief Biomedical Scientist, Public Health UK – 5th Nov 2020 MASKS DO NOT WORK https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEFXRnDCYkc

229658 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Eddy, 11, #624 of 2064 🔗

And – they actually make things worse (“No shit!” say we!) and Virus has low pathogenicity now (what a shock that is for all of us!!) and flu jab increases susceptibility to other viruses and is itself potentially deadly.
It’s a blinder – and only 8 mins including 2 mins 40 seconds of all his experience and qualifications.

229680 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to CGL, 8, #625 of 2064 🔗

It’s excellent. “All this touching of masks is more dangerous than no masks”.

“We’ve lost the science somewhere”

229710 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to kf99, 4, #626 of 2064 🔗

I mentioned yesterday I saw an American election official touch and adjust her mask about 50 times in 5 mins, no exaggeration, while addressing the media.

229769 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to OKUK, #627 of 2064 🔗

Took daughter for blood tests this morning – lady in front of us in the waiting area, sitting there playing with hers – couldn’t leave it alone. Unbelievable.

229685 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Eddy, 6, #628 of 2064 🔗

erm…. the mask thing is very important (and confirms what we already know), but far less important than the other stuff he has to say…

229698 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Eddy, 7, #629 of 2064 🔗

And confirms my view that respiratory disease vaccinations create opportunities for other pathogens, because vaccinations don’t make old lungs young and healthy again.

229643 miahoneybee, replying to miahoneybee, 3, #630 of 2064 🔗

https://www.instagram.com/p/CG00TrkjfIX/?igshid=1em22peyp0rdm

Viewers warning contains offensive language.
🙃

230100 ▶▶ DomW, replying to miahoneybee, 1, #631 of 2064 🔗

Laugh out loud, if you can tolerate the F and C words (each used once) and also hold out long enough to reach the additions to the much loved “Hands,Face,Space” advert

229646 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #632 of 2064 🔗

According to the Office for National Statistics, the coronavirus does not feature in the top ten of the leading causes of death; nor In the top twenty; in fact, it is twenty-four in the list. Yet, if one listens to Whitty and Valance and the rest, one would thing the only thing people die of is the virus. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/monthlymortalityanalysisenglandandwales/august2020

229650 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #633 of 2064 🔗

So there must be ‘another’ motive

229663 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Dan Clarke, 8, #634 of 2064 🔗

And it isn’t good. It’s about control and depopulation. Not a lot more to it.

229717 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Dan Clarke, 6, #635 of 2064 🔗

I do not know what their motive(s) is, but it is clear that they routinely say things that they must know to be false; that they claim to have scientific evidence when they clearly do not; that they have engaged in a campaign to terrorise the population; that they have pretended that the outcomes of computer models are data; that they have invented facts; that they have done precisely what was expressly recommended against by all health authorities in the event of a respiratory viral infection; that they have introduced these measures without any attempt to assess the harm that they will cause, including the number of deaths, which makes a mockery of the claim to be motivated by a concern to save lives.

229870 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #636 of 2064 🔗

Very concise, very true and very terrifying.

230249 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Sam Vimes, #637 of 2064 🔗

And one would have thought our “representatives” in parliament would be able to see all this.

229688 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #638 of 2064 🔗

Yep, according to Twhatty all Lockdown stress deaths are to be counted on “the Covid side”.

229695 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to OKUK, 1, #639 of 2064 🔗

They use the linguistic trick: “indirect COVID 19 deaths”.

229731 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to OKUK, 1, #640 of 2064 🔗

What was also quite worrying was when he was asked about the economic effects, he had ‘less CO2 emissions’ as a positive.

229649 Scouse Sceptic, replying to Scouse Sceptic, 7, #641 of 2064 🔗

Liverpool ready to be invaded by our own army.
2,000 of them moving into a nearby Pontins site that was closed to force…

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/armed-forces-arrive-stay-pontins-19224881

229659 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Scouse Sceptic, 10, #642 of 2064 🔗

Anyone still clinging to the incompetence theory ask yourself why Slovakia is also doing this.

229662 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Scouse Sceptic, 13, #643 of 2064 🔗

I believe Johnson has picked Liverpool for this martial law practice run purely out of personal spite after the sleights against him when he accused Liverpudlians of being “addicted to grief”.

So not only is this monster a narcissistic fascist, he is also petty and holds long term grudges.

His place in history will be alongside some of the totalitarian “giants” of the 20th century. If history is written that is, after the mass vaccination programme who knows what will be left of us.

229705 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Richard O, 6, #644 of 2064 🔗

He walked out on May in Parliament for the same petty reasons, holding a grudge

229756 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Richard O, 3, #645 of 2064 🔗

He also called Liverpool: “Self pity city”

229683 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to Scouse Sceptic, 3, #646 of 2064 🔗

Surely that is a conspiracy theory right?

229709 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Eddy, 2, #647 of 2064 🔗

Not a theory, a fact

229726 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Scouse Sceptic, 3, #648 of 2064 🔗

Pontins Ainsdale was like an army camp before all this!

229764 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Scouse Sceptic, 1, #649 of 2064 🔗

From an associated Liverpool Echo piece:-

Is coronavirus testing mandatory?
The short answer is no. The tests are voluntary and no-one will be forced to be tested under the new programme.
In fact, in March this year the Government rejected a petition to make testing for Covid-19 compulsory in the country.
The statement explaining why the petition was rejected, said: “It’s about something that the UK Government or Parliament is not responsible for.
“We can’t accept your petition because the UK Government and Parliament aren’t responsible for the issue you raise. The conduct of tests is a clinical decision for the NHS, not the UK Government or Parliament.”

229773 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Kevin 2, 1, #650 of 2064 🔗

Bribe:-

Those who test positive – and contacts who are required to self-isolate – will be entitled to the £500 Test and Trace Support Payment in the same way as a regular swab test ordered through NHS Test and Trace.

229854 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Scouse Sceptic, 3, #651 of 2064 🔗

Someone we know who runs a few hotels said she was contacted by MOD in March about hotel prices. I expected to see them parading the streets in the first lockdown. I now realise that was probably part of BoJo’s tabletop exercise that he requested complete by August. Ready for the dark winter.

229867 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Scouse Sceptic, 1, #652 of 2064 🔗

good luck keeping the troops entertained with no access to female company

229989 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #653 of 2064 🔗

They have girls in the army now, I’m told.

229666 John Lewis, replying to John Lewis, 9, #654 of 2064 🔗

Long time lurker here – thanks, Toby, for all your work, plus that of the many regular commentators here.

Small point – there’s nothing in the legislation that specifically bans international travel. And it’s actually encouraged for work – it says you ‘should’ still travel.

There is no mention of specific documents being required to prove that your trip is for work (either in UK or elsewhere).

I am self employed with a ltd company. Presumably no one can contest that my trips are for work and therefore I can come and go as I please?

Any thoughts on this appreciated.

229699 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to John Lewis, 7, #655 of 2064 🔗

I think it’s like most of the regulations in that it essentially relies on the prisoner locking the cell door himself. And there is nothing specific about international travel that I can see.

A friend of ours has just boarded a flight from LHR to the Canaries with his partner with no questions asked.

229722 ▶▶▶ John Lewis, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 1, #656 of 2064 🔗

Interesting. I can’t see any questions being asked at airports tbh, and even if they do, there’s nothing in the legislation that they can use to turn you away.

229746 ▶▶▶▶ Cedric the dragon, replying to John Lewis, 2, #657 of 2064 🔗

The trouble is the flights are being cancelled. Easyjet has no flights to Tenerife from Bristol till Dec. 3rd now.

229772 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to John Lewis, 3, #658 of 2064 🔗

The main problem is going to be flight availability.

One large company in this country is planning to cut its network capacity to 10% next week.

230443 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to John Lewis, #659 of 2064 🔗

Welcome, John; good to have you here. 🙂

229668 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #660 of 2064 🔗

Smug b’stard!
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229672 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #661 of 2064 🔗

How the feck has he got the gall to wear a poppy?

229706 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to kh1485, 1, #662 of 2064 🔗

Damn, you beat me to it.

229718 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to kh1485, #663 of 2064 🔗

Is he a dwarf*? Must be the 8th dwarf who never made the cut.

Fuckwit

*Can I still say that, vertically challenged??

229796 ▶▶▶ William Hand, replying to kh1485, #664 of 2064 🔗

The fool is obese.

229689 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #665 of 2064 🔗

You get to live your life with no blood on your hands. He does not have the same luxury.

229670 Nigel Sherratt, 6, #666 of 2064 🔗

Outstanding LS post, best yet I believe, thank you!

229671 Dave #KBF, replying to Dave #KBF, 31, #667 of 2064 🔗

Dave from Hinckley on TalkRADIo is doing my head in…. send in the army, full lockdown, people are not doing as they are told, this will go on forever…

He is retired, him and his wife have pensions so they are OK, his daughter is a Head teacher so she is OK. Sons job is precarious, but that does not matter.

We have no hope.

229675 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Dave #KBF, 10, #668 of 2064 🔗

He will get everything he is asking for. And much else besides.

We need to wise up to the fact that people like this are now our deadly enemy in this war for the future of humanity.

229684 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Richard O, 34, #669 of 2064 🔗

If the army is sent out that means that we are in state of war and that means all means of resistance are valid. and if that means that i survived Afghanistan just to die defending my freedom on the streets of Great Britain, so be it. I did not pledge my loyalty to Boris or WHO or the NWo , but to the Queen and the people of this country. ”Give me liberty or give me death”

229692 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Thomas_E, 5, #670 of 2064 🔗

What do you think are the chances that the soldiers of today will turn their guns on their own people?

229825 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Richard O, #671 of 2064 🔗

That’s a good question. Our only hope is when they refuse to follow orders.

229831 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Richard O, 1, #672 of 2064 🔗

UK soldiers, low. The problem would be if the bad people import troops from elsewhere.

229835 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to JohnB, 1, #673 of 2064 🔗

which they have done. Evidence from here and from the Continent.

230260 ▶▶▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Richard O, #674 of 2064 🔗

That is a very hard question. Talking to some of my old buddies they tell me that the mood in the Forces is very mixed. 20 years ago, I would say NIL…now who knows..The new generation are pretty brainwashed and we have seen from N Ireland in 60s-70s what happens whey you put armed kids on the streets..A little incident can spark a firefight and once that happens, all bets are off.. The only ones that can stop this are elder officers and NCO’s who have seen combat and know what that means. I hope sanity prevails, but if they arm Serco ( can happen) than we have a serious issue on our hand

229704 ▶▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Thomas_E, 3, #675 of 2064 🔗

Ditto Thomas. We don’t die cheaply either…

231239 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Richard O, #676 of 2064 🔗

They are collaborators…..they deserve the worst.

229681 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to Dave #KBF, 15, #677 of 2064 🔗

Fuck off Dave from Hinkley.

229691 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Eddy, 20, #678 of 2064 🔗

Lydia from Worcestershire on now. Keeping her card shop open. Being harassed by the police.

229753 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to kh1485, 2, #679 of 2064 🔗

Where in Worcestershire?

229852 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #680 of 2064 🔗

Droitwich, I think.

230028 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mutineer, replying to kh1485, #681 of 2064 🔗

Down the road from me! Well done, Lydia!

229703 ▶▶ Mark H, replying to Dave #KBF, 5, #682 of 2064 🔗

I hope his pensions aren’t linked to the stock market, that would be a shame if they are.

229823 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Mark H, 2, #683 of 2064 🔗

Even if they aren’t they will be invested elsewhere one way or the other, say real estate.

229744 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Dave #KBF, 1, #684 of 2064 🔗

Are there any details about what the army are going to be doing?

229751 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to OKUK, 1, #685 of 2064 🔗

Military coup?

229821 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Dave #KBF, 3, #686 of 2064 🔗

He should be careful what he wishes for, the next thing you know he’ll be whining when he sees the army throwing its weight around the same way as Nazi Germany.

And bet he stops laughing when tax raids are introduced on their pensions or they lose their value making them as worthless a Zimbabwe dollars.

229824 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Dave #KBF, 2, #687 of 2064 🔗

Well, I’m hoping ‘Dave from Hinckley’ blows himself up with a firework this evening.

Does that count ?

230452 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Dave #KBF, #688 of 2064 🔗

He is retired, him and his wife have pensions so they are OK .

On the contrary, those are two reasons he is NOT okay.

229678 John Lewis, 4, #689 of 2064 🔗

A dark day indeed

229694 PAM, replying to PAM, 4, #690 of 2064 🔗

It seems to me that this whole debacle is about the abolition of Man (or humankind to placate the WOKE sensitivities).

229732 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to PAM, #691 of 2064 🔗

Just as CS Lewis wrote – in his fictional work, “That Hideous Strength.”

229738 ▶▶▶ PAM, replying to Londo Mollari, #692 of 2064 🔗

Yes, indeed. Thankyou.

229748 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Londo Mollari, #693 of 2064 🔗

Well yes, and also in his non-fiction work The Abolition of Man 😉 .

229778 ▶▶▶▶ PAM, replying to mattghg, #694 of 2064 🔗

To quote an old biblical maxim ‘iron sharpens iron’, which is why dialogue is so important. I appreciate you responses.

229697 Chess nut, 2, #695 of 2064 🔗

The people i work with in Merseyside 99% go along with the masks etc. They obey whatever the unions tell them.

229700 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 1, #696 of 2064 🔗

https://www.berlingske.dk/nyheder/english-version-mink-causes-new-covid-mutation-in-humans-is-denmark-in

This is the rather alarming (for the vaccine fanatics) article in Denmark about a mutated strain of C-19 virus in minks spreading back to 12 persons. It was not giving a more severe infections but gave a less response in antibodies which could indicate that the vaccine might not work if this variant of virus spreads. According to the article the PM of Denmark is worried, now cordoning off the farms and culling all 11 millions minks in Denmark ruining their fur industry.

 This report is now a hot topic among virologist and the above article is just a newspaper article without original references. Interesting.

229712 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to swedenborg, 2, #697 of 2064 🔗

Of course. All this confirms is that there will be endless mutations justifying continuous vaccinations. Probably at least one per year.

Are you ready to submit to being a pin cushion for big pharma for the rest of your life?

229862 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Richard O, 1, #698 of 2064 🔗

No,they can’t make that.I think this story should be spread far and wide. The more people realize that all money and effort producing vaccine has been useless, the faster the house of cards of “containing a respiratory virus” will fall.

229741 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to swedenborg, #699 of 2064 🔗

Probably this sort of thing is happening all the time and – as possibly happened in Wuhan – isolating such viruses in labs is itself a highly risky enterprise.

230274 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to OKUK, #700 of 2064 🔗

Interesting to see that the MSM not much interested in this development. Easy to see the following headlines. Mutated C-19 virus from minks in Northern Jutland can spread over the whole world and render all current developed vaccine useless. Denmark to cull 17 millions of mink with police in charge.12 people in Northern Jutland infected with this new virus. Danish authorities send test and trace team to Northern Jutland to stop the spread to the rest of the world. Northern Jutland possibly cordoned off. Denmark alerted WHO and ECDC. Risk that current vaccines will be useless if this spreads from Denmark.
We are not seeing these headlines as I am aware of. Why? MSM Big Pharma wants to play down this story for obvious reason. The whole house of cards is built on the following. Project fear. Masks. Mass testing of this dangerous virus. Isolation. Vaccines are coming. Profits for the Big Pharma industrial complex.
No useful vaccines,Big Pharma not interested and everything will be normal again.

229822 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, #701 of 2064 🔗

https://twitter.com/BallouxFrancois/status/1324085761449304067

This is a virolgist reply.Not to worry so much.But read some of the twitter responses from Denmark much more concerned

229842 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, #702 of 2064 🔗

This more detailed response from Press Conf might not be known to Prof Balloux

https://twitter.com/Goldammerfeder/status/1324063435408220162

230488 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, #703 of 2064 🔗

Another virologist Dr Chan trying to explain the problem.But this development is a potential huge problem for the current vaccines.Not good news for them.

https://twitter.com/Ayjchan/status/1324363699734327296

229723 ▶▶ CGL, replying to crimsonpirate, 3, #705 of 2064 🔗

Well there is a sceptic who has a granddaughter who said March – I’d be interested to see if she’s had a more recent look at the crystal ball since that premonition? 🙂
Sorry – I can’t remember who it was.

229724 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to crimsonpirate, 4, #706 of 2064 🔗

March 2021 at the absolute earliest. My personal feeling is that this will be indefinite until you have been vaccinated.

229845 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Richard O, 2, #707 of 2064 🔗

Yes, lockdown until march and then 12 months to roll out the cat piss and then another lockdown to save the NHS from the victims of the cat piss.

229754 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to crimsonpirate, 3, #708 of 2064 🔗

Wow. This will be the end for many businesses.

Sheep will view it as ‘good news’ because they think it will secure their incomes.

229713 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 27, #709 of 2064 🔗

Sainsbury’s, Argos and John Lewis to axe 4.5k jobs.

Good to see 1 way systems, hand spunk, gimp masks and perspex worked.

229720 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to stefarm, 14, #710 of 2064 🔗

I think most people are oblivious to the coming economic Armageddon.
The second lockdown just sealed it.

229725 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 7, #711 of 2064 🔗

Argos should be one of the biggest companies in the world. They had the Amazon model about 10 years before the internet even existed. All squandered.

229728 ▶▶▶ MizakeTheMizan, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 2, #712 of 2064 🔗

At least we will be able to ‘build it back better’.

229750 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to MizakeTheMizan, #713 of 2064 🔗

When we are at rock bottom, the only way is up,hopefully.

229765 ▶▶▶▶ TT, replying to MizakeTheMizan, #714 of 2064 🔗

“Kill ! Sack ! Fetter !” would be closer to the thruth as a slogan…

229838 ▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to MizakeTheMizan, #715 of 2064 🔗

If only it was that well written: it is ‘build back better’ because tripartite phrases trump correct grammar every time!

229747 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #716 of 2064 🔗

Sunak’s magical money rain forests.

229873 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to stefarm, 3, #717 of 2064 🔗

Yes the face nappies were to persuade the terrified that it would be safe to shop because the muzzles would stop them being infected. Then it changed to well the muzzles wouldn’t actually stop them being infected but it would stop them passing on the infection.

That worked really well, didn’t it?

231241 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to stefarm, #718 of 2064 🔗

They collaborated in their own destruction…..hope Sainsbury have a ‘safe space’ for their ex employees.

229715 Aslangeo, replying to Aslangeo, 8, #719 of 2064 🔗

Article by George Cooper about doomsday cults – https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/when-doomsday-prophecies-fail-cult-members-double-down-does-this-sound-familiar/

Key point

The leader felt he had to keep the faith because to do so would require recognising the huge cost of previous mistakes. The loss to his status and damage to his ego were too much to contemplate. We now call this type of flawed thinking a sunk cost fallacy. The greater the sunk cost, either financially or reputationally, the more difficult it is to acknowledge the mistake and correct it. “

Boris and the quad have sunk so much into the lockdown that they cannot admit to themselves that their catastrophic error is destroying the country – Boris’ fragile ego cannot handle changing course – when in a hole they keep digging and we are in a hole the size of the Mir diamond mine

229721 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Aslangeo, 2, #720 of 2064 🔗

This can also end in death. Think of Jim Jones and The Peoples Temple in Guyana.

229815 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Richard O, -1, #721 of 2064 🔗

As long as you’re thinking CIA too, that’s (thinking of JJ) ok.

229735 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Aslangeo, 4, #722 of 2064 🔗

Sounds a seductive theory but they have had many chances to roll back this with honour but each time have doubled down.
They are following a script and twisting the data to fit what they want to do.
Think back to Leicester and how they ramped up testing and used the results to institute the first local lockdown.This was replicated across the country.
The Liverpool scheme is a prototype that will be rolled out across the country too.
This ends with us all vaccinated and tracked and traced via the digital/health passport or the culprits hanging from a rope.I can’t see a middle ground

231242 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #723 of 2064 🔗

The rope is too good for them….it has to be the flame throwers now.

229739 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Aslangeo, 1, #724 of 2064 🔗

And how to spot the believers:

“Are those making the doomsday prediction heavily invested in it? Does the rationalisation of the scary story keep changing? Do the proponents have a substantial financial or reputational sunk-cost making it impossible to admit they may be wrong? Is contradictory, positive, data being ignored? Is supportive, negative, data being manufactured? Are the protagonists listening only to those who share their own views? Are the protagonists evangelical in their beliefs, needing to proselytise their beliefs?”

229759 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Aslangeo, 1, #725 of 2064 🔗

It’s the kool-aid that’s the killer

229791 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Lucan Grey, #726 of 2064 🔗

Not the cyanide then?
I wonder if Witless,and the rest of them advocated drinking a Jim Jones cocktail, how many sheep would obey?

230291 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Fingerache Philip., #727 of 2064 🔗

Easy. Invent a new sparkly sugar-rich drink, Covacure, put poison in. Big marketing campaign and MSM coverage. Bham! Millions of sheep gone overnight.

Or just do that in a vaccine.

229719 James Bertram, 3, #728 of 2064 🔗

Have emailed the Graham Hutchinson interview to my local medical practice. Can all here do the same, please. It is important we get this out to our doctors locally. PHE and the BMA will try to block this information.

Covid-19 now a much weaker strain (low pathogenic strain).
Influenza jab makes you more likely to get Covid-19.
Masks make you more likely to get Covid-19.
Considerable mis-diagnosis of flu as Covid-19 appears to be going on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEFXRnDCYkc

229730 DRW, replying to DRW, 7, #729 of 2064 🔗

Latest from “Zoom” University is concern over generally very poor engagement. Lots of talk about low attendance for even online sessions and apparently some courseworks elsewhere in the faculty are getting longer deadlines because of so few submissions in the last week.
Privately, others share my feeling of general lack of motivation and boredom. Grades, not that they matter, are going to be absolutely awful this year.

That place is completely finished, but it’s halfway to being a government camp anyways.

229734 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to DRW, 2, #730 of 2064 🔗

Probably anticipated. Anyone at university now needs to be transformed into a willing slave/drone for the coming technocracy. The destruction of all hope and motivation is an integral part of this process.

We need to get out of the mindset that the people doing this to us want anything other than our complete destruction.

229830 ▶▶ jb12, replying to DRW, 3, #731 of 2064 🔗

Yes, I am instructing in a university just now, online and one class a week, and the attendance has halved since the beginning of the semester. We are only about half way through the course now.

230279 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to DRW, #732 of 2064 🔗

It’s very difficult to maintain motivation without direct human interaction. I worked for a college that gave live lectures but also recorded them, to give students flexible learning options. The students that attended sometimes got the recording if they had to be absent for a session. They always found the live learning better. I found that students who could turn up and did, performed better than those who lived close enough to attend but watched at home. Distance learning is challenging.

229733 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 3, #733 of 2064 🔗

Whilst England is now in lockdown, in the dictatorship that is now Scotland,
El Presidente Sturgeon has now came out with this…

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-says-considering-putting-22956160

Seriously, that is a nasty nasty manoeuvre.
So basically, regardless of the word “could” or “considering” what it means is that she WILL do this.
Total Arsehole.

229752 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to AnotherSceptic, 11, #734 of 2064 🔗

I’ve just read this and it was only a matter of time. If people would just look at what is going on around us they should be terrified:-

Victoria Australia – travel restrictions (Even when they only had 1 case)
Wales – Essential/ non essential goods
Slovakia – 100% population COVID test / Quarantine those who refuse

It’s almost like they are trying out different psychotic measures in different Countries to see how much push back they get.

229777 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to JHuntz, 4, #735 of 2064 🔗

Excellent observation. All of these initiatives are to be combined in every nation in due course. Fucking miserable, evil bastards.

229810 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to JHuntz, 3, #736 of 2064 🔗

…to see how much push back they get.

Yep. And to see how terrified it makes some people. Getting frightened doesn’t help.

229829 ▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to JohnB, 6, #737 of 2064 🔗

Yes, a guy near jumped out his skin today at the co-op because I (unmasked) picked up some ham in the fridge near him. Yes, these inane activities now have the population scared witless.

230324 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to JHuntz, #738 of 2064 🔗

Denmark and Ukraine debating mandatory vaccines too

229956 ▶▶ Just about sane, replying to AnotherSceptic, 3, #739 of 2064 🔗

I saw her threat yesterday. My reaction is not for print.

I’m now after 20 years of managing depression and anxiety back on anti depressents and a lot of it has been caused by that woman and her minions threats.

229742 Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 8, #740 of 2064 🔗

I hope that when YouGov next does its polls it asks a simple question: When the current lockdown ends on 2 December, are you aware that there will be either an extension of lockdown or a return to the tier system? I suspect many of those who have apparently been supportive of the national lockdown think that this is the end, and that after it there will be a return to ‘old’ normal.

229745 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 10, #741 of 2064 🔗

Seriously? Anyone who thinks that must have been lobotomized.

229763 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to mattghg, 5, #742 of 2064 🔗

There’s a lobot of them out there.

229804 ▶▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to mattghg, 5, #743 of 2064 🔗

The single largest clue that had me disbelieving this nonsense from the outset was the legislation had a 2 year lifespan (about a quarter of it was perpetual) with six monthly reviews. That suggested that this was going to last 2 years to me straight away.

The only question is, how much of our constitution will be in place in 18 months time, not when the pubs open again.

229816 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #744 of 2064 🔗

I’d like to see them run..
Do you think polls have become a political propaganda tool?

Yes
No

229877 ▶▶▶ Commander Jameson, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #745 of 2064 🔗

Yes
Yes

There, fixed the answer options for ya.

230033 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #746 of 2064 🔗

I do the polls and they are dire. You can’t say, for instance, that you think the imprisonment is unlawful, you can only say that measures are ‘too severe, about right or not severe enough’, That type of crap. I always fill the box provided with insults, criticism and my real views.

230474 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Mutineer, #747 of 2064 🔗

I always fill the box provided with insults, criticism and my real views.

A man/woman after my own heart; I just can’t help myself when I see a ‘comments’ box. 😉

229755 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 6, #748 of 2064 🔗

Top Medical Journal Caught in Massive Cover-Up

  • According to Alina Chan, a molecular biologist at the Broad Institute of Harvard and MIT, SARS-CoV-2 did not evolve in a manner you’d expect, had it jumped from an animal to a human. It sprang into action fully evolved for human transmission
  • It appears Nature, a top medical journal, has allowed authors to secretly alter data sets in their papers without publishing notices of correction
  • Chan’s investigation reveals authors have renamed samples, failed to attribute them properly, and produced a genomic profile that doesn’t match the samples in their paper. Others are missing data
  • RaTG13 — the coronavirus that most resembles SARS-CoV-2, being 96% identical — is actually btCoV-4991, a virus found in samples collected in 2013 and published in 2016
  • If SARS-CoV-2, the virus responsible for COVID-19 and the subsequent response to it, came from a lab, then we need to reassess the future of gain-of-function research that allows for the weaponization of viruses

It’s very frustrating that critical information on SARS2 origins is coming out almost on a need-to-know basis. And we have no idea what’s going on behind the scenes among the journals, authors, peer reviewers. ~ Alina Chan

The Lancet has organized a COVID-19 Commission, charged with investigating the origins of SARS-CoV-2 so that the matter can conclusively be put to rest.

Alas, this Commission is clearly compromised from the start, seeing how it’s being led by Dr. Peter Daszak, a scientist who has already concluded the virus is natural.

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/11/05/alina-chan-nature-medical-journal.aspx

229963 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Victoria, 1, #749 of 2064 🔗

Good thing that the German committee is hot on the trail (Reiner Fuellmich)

229760 FrankiiB, replying to FrankiiB, 13, #750 of 2064 🔗

Rishi has extended Furlough until the end of March. This means Boris is extending lockdown until the end of March.

229767 ▶▶ DRW, replying to FrankiiB, 3, #751 of 2064 🔗

Or doing another one in the new year.

229781 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to FrankiiB, 4, #752 of 2064 🔗

Not sure about that, as although it feels different “lockdown” ended in the summer and then Furlough was until October. But it’s a strong indication that this bullshit “control” will confine us under some form of constraint until March at least.

229885 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to FrankiiB, 2, #753 of 2064 🔗

The waffle for the 3 Tier stuff mentions working from home ‘over the winter’. Bunter promises this latest shit will end 2nd December. It will. But it will be immediately followed with more shit under another name.

229943 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to FrankiiB, 2, #754 of 2064 🔗

That’s it, I’m leaving the country next year. We’re fucked, no way I’m hanging around to pay off all this debt.

229987 ▶▶▶ watashi, replying to Recusant, #755 of 2064 🔗

where to go though? my dreams are full of escaping

230480 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to FrankiiB, #756 of 2064 🔗

Clearly designed to keep people off the streets.

229770 Fingerache Philip., 7, #757 of 2064 🔗

Nowhere near the compliance here (South Shropshire) as in LD1.
Just as busy as any other day

229776 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 21, #758 of 2064 🔗

Ocado delivery driver a full on sceptic. Yeah

229817 ▶▶ steph, replying to Victoria, 1, #759 of 2064 🔗

Better than mine the other day, then. Good.

229780 paologrigio, replying to paologrigio, 13, #760 of 2064 🔗

Furlough scheme extended til March?? Is that a clear indication that the lockdown farce will continue til then, or am I missing something?

229783 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to paologrigio, 12, #761 of 2064 🔗

You are not missing anything. The government are rinsing and repeating exactly the same bribery for compliance tactics as they used back in March/April.

229790 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to paologrigio, 5, #762 of 2064 🔗

It’s a bribe, or carrot on a stick to stop massive unrest

229799 ▶▶ DRW, replying to paologrigio, 4, #763 of 2064 🔗

They’ve admitted it’s back to regional tiers if/when this one ends, no significant let up “until there’s a vaccine” if that. Until then they still need bribe compliance.

229832 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to paologrigio, #764 of 2064 🔗

80% furlough?

229837 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to karenovirus, 2, #765 of 2064 🔗

apparently so

229782 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 16, #766 of 2064 🔗

https://twitter.com/federicolois/status/1316127717331480578

“Argentina, my home country. Today has achieved what it looked like impossible. After 220 something days of quarantine (I am not counting anymore) we are finally in the top 10 on the “deaths per million” category. Our President said “a model to emulate” he forgot “what NOT to do”.
“If anyone wants to understand what did go wrong. It is fairly easy, you can read our paper and what Argentina executed was a uniform isolation strategy which incidentally we prove it guarantees the top positions in this category.
“SARS-CoV-2 waves in Europe: A 2-stratum SEIRS model solution”

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.10.09.20210146v2

“This is the actual “Cautionary Tale”, not Sweden. Go for the uniform suppression strategy (lockdowns + masks) and you are guaranteed the top of the ranking.

229787 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to swedenborg, 2, #767 of 2064 🔗

That’s about as damning as it gets.

229784 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 4, #768 of 2064 🔗

If not posted already. Mother refused right to take her newborn from hospital until tested. No idea on the circumstances, but isn’t a good look

https://twitter.com/BrettEverest/status/1324229485932273664?s=20

229794 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #769 of 2064 🔗

Another that is beyond awful. The mother and baby have been separated. Bonding and mum’s milk, banned.

229808 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Rosie, 4, #770 of 2064 🔗

I know right? I hope somebody can get her help pronto

229800 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #771 of 2064 🔗

Which city ?

Has she a partner ?

Pick up baby. Walk out. This could be impossible for several reasons, of course.

229814 ▶▶ steph, replying to PoshPanic, 5, #772 of 2064 🔗

Is it really true? Can we validate somehow because it seems so implausible.
How on earth do you test a newborn?
If true it is beyond dreadful. Stupid responses such as “Why would you not want to know your baby was healthy? “. Err probably because the baby IS healthy and doesn’t need an invasive test to prove it. Undoubtedly does need to get out of plague pit which our hospitals seem to be ASAP.

229857 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to steph, 6, #773 of 2064 🔗

That’s ridiculous. The baby doesn’t need a test it has immunity from its mother, and continues to do so for several months after birth. There’s no way you can get a swab up a neonates nose, they could push it into the brain! (There are x-rays of feeding tubes being pushed into adults brains). Putting a swab into a neonates throat could compromise the airway.
To me it needs reporting to the safeguarding team and potentially to the NMC/GMC.

229926 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to p02099003, 1, #774 of 2064 🔗

Hopefully somebody can substantiate this and look further into it.

229959 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #775 of 2064 🔗

The speaker’s distress, and the fact that we have similar stories from France suggests all too real, hard though it is to accept.

229786 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 4, #776 of 2064 🔗

Good news!

If you want to kill yourself, you CAN leave the country.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54823490

229839 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Tenchy, #777 of 2064 🔗

As they say, Death Secretary.

229850 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Tenchy, #778 of 2064 🔗

Yes, at last those confiscated rubber dinghies will have a purpose!

229789 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 3, #779 of 2064 🔗

Yahoo Mail reads all outgoing mail, blocks messages that contain “misleading” info
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/execution-americans-free-speech

229795 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Victoria, 1, #780 of 2064 🔗

A stunning level of irony. My flabber has rarely been so gasted.

229859 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to JohnB, -1, #781 of 2064 🔗

(This was in response to assisted travel flights being allowed).

229813 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Victoria, 3, #782 of 2064 🔗

‘I’ve got nothing to hide; I am doing nothing wrong, so let them read my mail!’ they cried when warned about the encroachment upon their freedom of expression online by tech companies and governments.

229844 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Victoria, 2, #783 of 2064 🔗

Who the hell still uses Yahoo email?
Oops I do but only for Track’n’Trace, not even that now.

229797 Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 15, #784 of 2064 🔗

5pm press conference with Boris and Sir Simon Stevens. Wonder whether any journalist will probe the fact they were at Balliol College Oxford at the same time (both on the debating team), and that in addition to Sir Simon being neither a scientist nor a medic, he is a friend of Extinction Rebellion activist Rupert Read:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Stevens_(healthcare_manager)

229801 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 43, #785 of 2064 🔗

Can we please just have ONE FUCKING DAY when these cunts do not open their mouths?

229806 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Richard O, 6, #786 of 2064 🔗

Seconded

229876 ▶▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to steph, 3, #787 of 2064 🔗

Agree x 1000

229811 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Richard O, 5, #788 of 2064 🔗

Not even Christmas Day will be immune at this rate…

229841 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to DRW, 3, #789 of 2064 🔗

Rulespaffer will spaff some extra special rules in his merry Christmas public spaffing over the country.

He might as well literally do that. Why not?

230010 ▶▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ovis, 1, #790 of 2064 🔗

I bet Hancock is salivating at the prospect of banning Christmas crackers because they discourage social distancing.

229847 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to DRW, 5, #791 of 2064 🔗

The Queens speech has been replaced this year, with a message from Klaus Schwab

229851 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to PoshPanic, 4, #792 of 2064 🔗

ZEE GREAT RESET XMAS SPECIAL BROADCAST.

230874 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Richard O, #793 of 2064 🔗

A truly ‘Anus Horribilis’ – spelling error intentional obviously

230006 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Richard O, #794 of 2064 🔗

Ideally they would stop breathing as well.

229836 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 23, #795 of 2064 🔗

I actually had a reply from Laura Kuenssberg to my email that I sent her and she actually agreed that there are significant questions that need raising regarding what the public are being told and also said there is “ also a range of scientific opinion on what is really going on”. I found it interesting that she even took the time to reply to me so I’m hoping she looked at my details further and now herself might be questioning things a bit more.

229843 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Anothersceptic2, 5, #796 of 2064 🔗

well done – sounds well worth perusing once you have managed to set up a connection. At some point even these people realise that their own families are being destroyed.

229886 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Anothersceptic2, 8, #797 of 2064 🔗

Bearing in mind the intervention from Theresa May yesterday, and her involvement latterly in calling for the independent inquiry into Primodos (the data was reviewed by Carl Heneghan), I wonder whether Sky’s Jason Farrell might be a contact to pursue (he exposed the Primodos scandal)?

229958 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #798 of 2064 🔗

All such people need encouragement. Our voices and support matter. Go ahead, please.

230012 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Anothersceptic2, #799 of 2064 🔗

Wow, good work.

230495 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Anothersceptic2, #800 of 2064 🔗

Well done!

I’d follow that up asking her “then why aren’t you asking those questions , instead of just following the BBC line of ‘lockdown good/more lockdown, like you have been doing?”

229840 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 4, #801 of 2064 🔗

OMG Rupert Read is one seriously nasty character (copied from my website)

Children are needlessly terrified

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Lt0jCDtYSY  Rupert Reed of the University of East Anglia, spokesperson for Extinction Rebellion and in receipt of further taxpayer funding via the Arts & Humanities Research Council, here speaks to children from the age of about ten, saying, “This is about whether you have a future. People sometimes ask you ‘What are you going to be when you grow up?’ but we’ve reached the point in human history where the question also has to be asked ‘What are you going to do if you grow up?’” – then stating that global warming is going to kill us by starvation, encouraging the children to imagine that happening. Schools Climate Conference held at University College London, 3 July 2019, talk given to a huge audience of schoolchildren at the Green Schools project.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NSkQyQLvW4  Shinobi Yaka (of Extinction Rebellion Busted) comments on Rupert Reed’s talk and exposes factual errors. Most of this person’s videos have been removed from YouTube by that organisation. Please note contrast to Rupert Reed’s official status and state funding.

229868 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Rosie, 5, #802 of 2064 🔗

These are the people behind the climate change scam. They are very unpleasant people who managed to bully a lot of independently minded academics out of funding, and their platform in the early 2000s – this led to ‘the science is settled’ mantra. This is what is happening to Sunetra Gupta right now.

229891 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #803 of 2064 🔗

Exactly. It’s astonishing to me that the medical scientists did not foresee what was coming at them. Shows how effective the climate scam propaganda and coverup has been.
Same universities as well, Imperial, UCL etc.

Both scams must be fought simultaneously otherwise if they don’t destroy us via one scam they’ll just use the other. and counter the propaganda in the public as well.

229809 gmwhite, replying to gmwhite, 28, #804 of 2064 🔗

My wife’s just told me that our son is playing with the neighbours’ boy round their house. Here’s to small acts of defiance. It’s also nice to find out that our newish neighbours aren’t zealots.

229820 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to gmwhite, 10, #805 of 2064 🔗

Brilliant 👍🏼

I’ve just told my neighbours we plan to do the same. So far no sign of snitching!

229818 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 5, #806 of 2064 🔗
229855 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #807 of 2064 🔗

And she waited until today to blow the whistle?

229856 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Richard O, 6, #808 of 2064 🔗

Sometimes timing is everything. I think there’s much more questioning now, she would have been derided before and certainly not appeared in the Daily Mail

229874 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Richard O, 3, #809 of 2064 🔗

More likely the Mail waited until today to publish.

229833 Poppy, replying to Poppy, 73, #810 of 2064 🔗

Just seen that furlough has been extended until March. This means we are basically being held hostage until March. It doesn’t matter if the government doesn’t actually keep us in full lockdown until then, it doesn’t matter if it’s just a ‘precaution’, it is still an incredibly risk-averse move which will cost us dearly and gives the government and SAGE carte blanche to lock us up, as and when they feel like it. The most likely scenario is one last lockdown in January/February, the most depressing time of the year, after a brief reprieve for Christmas. They will manufacture a testdemic as punishment for us daring to go and see our families and have a morsel of fun and happiness after a year of sheer hellish, state-mandated psychological abuse and torment.

I dread to think how much this is costing. The whole shitty shebang. A YEAR of furlough, a useless test and trace system, unnecessary mass testing programmes. How MUCH? Imagine if we’d spent that obscene amount of money on scaling up hospital capacity, a mass recruitment programme for nurses and medical personnel, and/or a shielding programme for the vulnerable. Our leaders just do not have the political will or the competence to do something so decisive and logical. It’s just about constant panic and groupthink and copying other countries, doing something for the sake of doing something, not wanting to look like the ‘outlier’.

Normal people are going to be absolutely clobbered in future tax for this. For NOTHING.

All for a virus with a 99.9% survival rate.

That’s the worst thing about this. All this suffering and poverty is for nothing. Utterly nothing. Needless, futile suffering for everyone. FOR NOTHING.

229853 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Poppy, 7, #811 of 2064 🔗

having lost the argument over predictions, forecasting, modelling etc stories are now being disseminated in the press re a more dangerous strain of covid- I have seen two, one from Spain and one in Denmark concerning mink. Apparently the latter is resistant to vaccines. Quite how they know is another thing

229887 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to crimsonpirate, 5, #812 of 2064 🔗

Regarding the mink in Denmark, it’s just been announced they are going to kill the whole population of mink due to this “coronavirus can mutate & spread to humans from them”

This is seriously sad. What next, killing our pets, dogs, cat’s etc???
Shocking.

229935 ▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to AnotherSceptic, 2, #813 of 2064 🔗

Isn’t that how the Planet of the Apes came about?

I for one welcome our new simian overlords.

230424 ▶▶▶▶ Ndovu, replying to AnotherSceptic, #814 of 2064 🔗

All these millions of mink are already prisoners on mink farms – destined to be killed for the fur trade.Already illegal here for some years. The minks have a short and unpleasant life which will be further shortened. Mink farms should be closed everywhere. Of course, once their corpses have been disinfected they will probably still be used for their fur.

229983 ▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to crimsonpirate, #815 of 2064 🔗

You go after a mink with a needle and see what happens. I bet it doesn’t placidly sit there and take it.

230261 ▶▶▶ rose, replying to crimsonpirate, #816 of 2064 🔗

Probably cows, pigs, sheep and hens so we ‘ll all have to eat genetically engineered ‘meat’ furthering the climate change zealots goal

229871 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Poppy, 10, #817 of 2064 🔗

I completely agree. Any time a lockdownista bleats that we can’t adopt the GBD because it’s too difficult to protect the vulnerable, I want to remind them of the economic and intellectual resources that have been idiotically poured into furlough, track-n-trace etc. If a fraction of these had gone into shielding then we could have figured something out!

229888 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Poppy, 3, #818 of 2064 🔗

£I50 billion more to pay for it. Unbelievable.

229924 ▶▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Marialta, #819 of 2064 🔗

In exchange for £150bn of Gilts.

What’s the problem?

230008 ▶▶▶▶ Ossettian, replying to Lucan Grey, 1, #820 of 2064 🔗

Who will; buy the Gilts and with what?

229894 ▶▶ Liz F, replying to Poppy, 6, #821 of 2064 🔗

Presumably the dictators in Westmonster think that extending the furlough scheme will make people more compliant. Stick some cash their way to keep them quiet.

229897 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Poppy, 3, #822 of 2064 🔗

I completely agree with you and your Christmas break, followed by LD III predictions. Furlough extended to maintain compliance. It will only get worse once the “vaccine” arrives.

229921 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Poppy, -3, #823 of 2064 🔗

Normal people are going to be absolutely clobbered in future tax for this”

They are not. That would be a fallacy of composition.

What is happening is due to the level of saving. When people spend savings that causes more transactions, which are taxed and that’s where the balancing amount comes from.

Savings are a store of taxation as well as value.

229979 ▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to Lucan Grey, #824 of 2064 🔗

It’s an interesting question. If a country in isolation expands its money supply then obviously that will have a knock-on effect on exchange rates and inflation. If most of the world is doing the same thing, however, what happens? It obviously won’t have much impact on the exchange rates, but what happens to inflation?

230003 ▶▶▶▶ Ossettian, replying to Andrew Fish, #825 of 2064 🔗

They’re not just massively increasing thje amount of money, they’re restricting the output of goods and services and damaging supply systems.

230026 ▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to Ossettian, #826 of 2064 🔗

Oh, I agree they’re doing economic harm – but in purely money supply terms I’m not sure what happens from here. The credit crunch was actually a contraction in M4 money supply – essentially a big part of money supply is actually based on confidence in the value of assets – which is why QE didn’t cause inflation at that point and perhaps that’s essentially what will happen here – a reduction in the values of certain assets, essentially transferring their value through QE to the Government’s chosen.

229996 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Poppy, 4, #827 of 2064 🔗

And, if a real live actually fatal pandemic virus comes along any time in the next 20 years or so, we’re scuppered. As a country we’ve shot our load over something that almost 100% of people will survive. When the big one comes, there will be nothing left. That frightens me more than anything.

230057 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Poppy, 1, #828 of 2064 🔗

Very smart on their part, they know what the Plebs want : Bread and Games!! And that is what they gave us, never ending furlough so there is no 3-6 millions unemployed, no civil unrest nothing…just obedient sheep..And Stricly Come Dancing, Football with no fans, …but her e…here is a another series of Love Island..just remember you are free, free to do WHAT WE TELL YOU SLAVES!! But Free, no need to work, here is the money, no need to meet up ( here is Zoom), no need for teatre ( here is Netflix and Fucking Doctor Who)..Like Leonard Coen said: You wanted darker, we kill the flame… I despair, now use of living anymore..

229834 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 21, #829 of 2064 🔗

Isn’t the fact that most people have and are bending or breaking the rules in there own ways (including Dominic Cummings, Neil Ferguson and Matt Hancock) a clear indication that WE DO NOT CONSENT.

229849 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to Achilles, 7, #830 of 2064 🔗

Don’t forget the Scottish MP SUPA-SPREDA

229858 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 7, #831 of 2064 🔗

Hapless Hancock has just announced that despite the lock-down it is a reasonable excuse to travel for the purpose of assisted dying in Switzerland;
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54823490
I guess anything to relieve the burden on the poor old NHS!

229863 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Steve Martindale, 15, #832 of 2064 🔗

Hasn’t he assisted enough deaths already with the lockdown?

229865 ▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to Steve Martindale, 13, #833 of 2064 🔗

“Assist your suicide, save the NHS!” *clap*

229866 ▶▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to Cicatriz, 5, #834 of 2064 🔗

Although I’m beginning to think it’s a good move. As a non-believer, I think death is an eternity of nothingness, which is probably an upgrade on where we are right now.

229880 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Cicatriz, 4, #835 of 2064 🔗

Fair point. I am not at all religious, but based on 35 years of study and observation think that there is an aspect of human consciousness that is “outside” the body, and may well survive its physical death.

That being said, I cannot discount the possibility of total annihilation upon death, and am perfectly happy to accept this. Indeed I welcome it, the prospect of a continued existence in any way, shape or form that is connected to this shithole planet is a deeply depressing prospect.

229919 ▶▶▶▶ William Hand, replying to Cicatriz, 3, #836 of 2064 🔗

Death is not the end. There is plenty of evidence for survival of consciousness. But fear of death as annihilation is helping to drive this plandemic. Death is not about religion, it is a question of empirical science.

229928 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to William Hand, 4, #837 of 2064 🔗

My comment was meant far less as the beginning of a philosophical debate and mostly as a sarcastic attack on the process of making life meaningless.

229872 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #838 of 2064 🔗

Can we have whip-round to pay for his ticket? Joking of course.

229881 ▶▶▶ Jenny, replying to Basileus, 4, #839 of 2064 🔗

I would chip in.

229991 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Jenny, #840 of 2064 🔗

I’d fork out for the whole thing at this stage.

229875 ▶▶ Moomin, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #841 of 2064 🔗

I take it the irony is lost on him. ‘If it saves just one life..!

229988 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Steve Martindale, #842 of 2064 🔗

You literally could not make it up.

230175 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #843 of 2064 🔗

is this their idea of helping the travel industry?

229860 nickbowes, 4, #844 of 2064 🔗

Nice to see our Minister of Death allowing travel to kill yourself.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54823490

229864 Zak Thelotofem, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 1, #845 of 2064 🔗

The FACTS speak for themselves (UK graphs at bottom of page)

https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/

229933 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Zak Thelotofem, #846 of 2064 🔗

Yes – particularly given that Euromomo definitions of ‘excess’ are low hurdles.

229954 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Zak Thelotofem, #847 of 2064 🔗

But Two Weeks!

229869 Country Mumkin, 6, #848 of 2064 🔗

Urgent: mandatory vax voting in Denmark not reported by MSM

https://mobile.twitter.com/bl_byrne/status/1324335263896752128

229882 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 3, #849 of 2064 🔗

https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/11/05/the-problem-with-covid-testing/

“ One aspect of the problem is that on the SAGE committee, there’s a real overrepresentation of physicists, chemists and mathematicians. For people from those backgrounds, false-positive test results are usually related to highly precise laboratory equipment. In those cases, the false-positive rate is a stable number. But it’s not like that in medicine..”

229895 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Leemc23, 6, #850 of 2064 🔗

Interesting, I am a physicist and I have been smelling rats since March.

229903 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Basileus, 3, #851 of 2064 🔗

Yeah.. searching for reason.. thinking this is all a series of cockups does not add up at all. But hey…

As Delingpole finally realised.. The Great Reset is out in the open. All of the key people in government have links with the WEF and are using its phrases. People keep ignoring this.. or not registering it.

229908 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Basileus, 1, #852 of 2064 🔗

Hmmm… I often don’t agree with Spiked, and strongly disagree on this idea.
It’s a question on moral fibre and not of educational background.

230305 ▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Rosie, #853 of 2064 🔗

Yes I agree, but as we have found many MPs do not have the technical ability to analyse a data set.

229997 ▶▶ Andy C, replying to Leemc23, #854 of 2064 🔗

You wouldn’t think there were any mathematicians there considering the amount of implausible figures they churn out.

229883 chaos, replying to chaos, 16, #855 of 2064 🔗

A black lady is to be the next James Bond confirmed. Apparently.

Can’t wait till I see the men host Loose Women.

Please wake me up.. or crash an aeroplane engine through my roof.. I want to go back to my proper reality.

229892 ▶▶ Jonathan Castro, replying to chaos, 1, #856 of 2064 🔗

Will it be a tranny?

229899 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Jonathan Castro, 6, #857 of 2064 🔗

Like Michelle Obama?

229901 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to chaos, -12, #858 of 2064 🔗

I really enjoy the idea of a black lady playing Bond. Purely because I love seeing people getting irate and frothing at the mouth as if Bond is some institution to be protected, and that changing it will shatter their world.

229934 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Tee Ell, 4, #859 of 2064 🔗

Strange. I’ve always just enjoyed the novels and films and don’t wish to see them spoiled.

230052 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Tee Ell, 1, #860 of 2064 🔗

It is just like doctor who is a bloke. Why can’t black/ LGBT/ feminists write and create there own films. Surely, that would be a lot more liberating than hanging on the coat tails of the oppressive white man.

230464 ▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Tee Ell, -2, #861 of 2064 🔗

@ downvoters – you bunch of snowflakes 😀

229912 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to chaos, 5, #862 of 2064 🔗

Hopefully it will tank at the box office. Woke bollocks of the worst kind. Fleming will be turning in his grave.

230224 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Tenchy, #863 of 2064 🔗

If she’s quite fetching and gets her kit off a lot of blokes would watch that.

229945 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to chaos, 1, #864 of 2064 🔗

Even Yaphet Kotto who played Mr Big in Live and Let Die said that James Bond is a white male and should stay that way in an interview a while back.

Anything else just won’t work.

230150 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Awkward Git, #865 of 2064 🔗

Basically ever since “From Russia with love” with the possible exception of “On her Majesties secret service” Bond films have been more and more boring.

229962 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to chaos, 5, #866 of 2064 🔗

I don’t give a shit what colour James Bond is. It has to be a man, he must have gadgets and fast cars, there must be a bad guy ( no shortage of those ) and last but not least, he must shag his way through a bunch of hot chicks baby

230050 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to PoshPanic, #867 of 2064 🔗

I think the film you are looking for is Austin Powers.

230163 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to chaos, #868 of 2064 🔗

that’s a shame -mates in my local bar have put serious money on Jude Law

229889 Dave #KBF, replying to Dave #KBF, 43, #869 of 2064 🔗

My honours list 2020:

The following is a list of various people, each one of you have helped me get through so far. I do non know any of you personally:

ALL contributors to LS
Belfield, Alex
Bhattacharya, Prof. Jay
Brees, Anna
Coleman, Dr. Vernon
Cummins, Ivor
Curry, Adam
Delingpole, James
Denim, Sue
Devlin, Mark
Dolan, Simon
Dvorak, John C
Graham, Mike
Gupta, Prof. Sunetra
Hartley-Brewer, Julia
Heneghan, Prof. Carl
Hitchens, Peter
Kulldorff, Prof. Martin,
Lawrence, Andrew
O’Bernicia, Michael
O’Sullivan, Kevin
Sumption, Lord Jonathan
Vernon, Carl
Vincit, Veritas
Wootton, Dan
Yeadon, Dr. Mike
Young, Toby

And the many who I have no doubt forgotten.

Thank you one & all

229904 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Dave #KBF, 6, #870 of 2064 🔗

Great lis. I’d add the Swiss Doctor, John Ioannidis, Wolfgang Wodarg, The Off-G guys, Filmmaker-John Kirby ( Perspectives on a Pandemic series )

229929 ▶▶▶ James Bertram, replying to PoshPanic, 5, #871 of 2064 🔗

+ Dr John Lee, Piers Corbyn, Dr Heiko Schoning, Dr Bhakdi and wife.

230531 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to James Bertram, #872 of 2064 🔗

+1 for John Lee, another ‘voice of reason’, throughout.

229917 ▶▶ Hampshire Sceptic, replying to Dave #KBF, 6, #873 of 2064 🔗

Alistair Haimes, Hector Drummond, Francis Hoar, Dick Delingpole.

229922 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Dave #KBF, 11, #874 of 2064 🔗

Great list – I’d add Michael Levitt and Knut Wittkowski for speaking out so early on, as well as Anders Tegnell and Johan Giesecke for showing us that there IS another way to manage a virus besides endless state-enforced disproportionate lockdowns.

230047 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Dave #KBF, 4, #875 of 2064 🔗

I’d add everyone who post comments on here. You all have been just as uplifting during this insanity.

230055 ▶▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to JHuntz, 1, #876 of 2064 🔗

Yes, the wit and humour have been lifelines. We often laugh about things we care very deeply about.

230161 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Dave #KBF, 2, #877 of 2064 🔗

I’d add Karol Sikora – as you can see the list of names is getting so long it’s hard to remember them all.

230527 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Dave #KBF, 1, #878 of 2064 🔗

Will Jones. (Toby’s wingman)

231202 ▶▶ Laurence, replying to Dave #KBF, #879 of 2064 🔗

The list is not complete without the god of this year, a humble Swedish civil servant who has taken the opprobrium of the world on his shoulders just to do the right thing, who has made his county the most civilised in the world.

THE GREAT ANDERS TEGNELL

229893 Joseph, replying to Joseph, 6, #880 of 2064 🔗

Furlough scheme to be extended until March.

NOT looking good for lockdown ending 2nd December.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-54824120

229907 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to Joseph, 9, #881 of 2064 🔗

People are going about their business as normal today, the roads are busy and many business`s are open.

229911 ▶▶▶ Eddy, replying to nickbowes, 2, #882 of 2064 🔗

Even the cops ar out as normal.

229925 ▶▶▶▶ alw, replying to Eddy, 2, #883 of 2064 🔗

Not seen any Police around today which is unusual for around here. Anything to do with fireworks tonight?

229939 ▶▶▶ Sceptic in Oxford, replying to nickbowes, 2, #884 of 2064 🔗

Only Soviet style “to keep the tractor production line going.

But straight home afterwards; no socialising, no pubs, no theatres, no restaurants, no meeting friends including in your own home or garden (dissent, you see, must be prohibited). Shopping for essentials only.

And all proles must wear a mask.” (UKUSSR – Nov 2020)

229914 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Joseph, 1, #885 of 2064 🔗

Which year?

230001 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Joseph, #886 of 2064 🔗

Self employed payments the same as the first lockdown until January.This is not ending except maybe for a 2 week Christmas break

229898 Joseph, replying to Joseph, 15, #887 of 2064 🔗

Also hearing rumours that Homeland Security secretly watermarked all the legal ballots in the US prior to the election which is going to come out and blow up mail-in fraud.

… mail-in fraud enabled by a huge mail-in turnout facilitated by a virus with a 99.9% recovery rate…

I might be losing my mind at this point but dots are starting to join in my head… could this all be a huge game of 5D chess?

229905 ▶▶ Chess nut, replying to Joseph, #888 of 2064 🔗

If it is they still have to win a won game. So never resign!

229909 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to Joseph, 2, #889 of 2064 🔗

5G chess..

230212 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Joseph, #890 of 2064 🔗

Trump set them up!

229902 nickbowes, 2, #891 of 2064 🔗

Jelly Johnson and some extinction rebellion type on at 5 pm ! Can`t wait !

229913 David McCluskey, replying to David McCluskey, 13, #892 of 2064 🔗

We need to remove these ignoramuses. Fatboy is a traitor.

229916 ▶▶ RickH, replying to David McCluskey, 1, #893 of 2064 🔗

How?

229940 ▶▶▶ David McCluskey, replying to RickH, 2, #894 of 2064 🔗

Peaceful, ceaseless campaigning in the New Year when Brexit is over and the impact of what has been done to us starts to become hard reality to the sleep-walking electorate. They must not be allowed to escape blame.

229969 ▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to RickH, 1, #895 of 2064 🔗

If there’s enough support locally you could go for a recall ballot on your local MP. Even if you didn’t manage to oust them at the subsequent bye-election it would cause a few of the others to sit up and take notice.

229980 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to RickH, #896 of 2064 🔗

Treason only if he is acting against the monarch, if she is in cahoots and agreement then it’s not a valid charge but here’s why he may be a traitor, it means she has broken her coronation oath (which she did in 1972 apparently signing the European Communities Act) and is no longer monarch:

From an e-mail I sent previously:

In the 1351 Treason Act it states:

“Declaration what Offences shall be adjudged Treason.”

“if a Man do levy War against our Lord the King in his Realm, be adherent to the King’s Enemies in his Realm, giving to them Aid and Comfort in the Realm, or elsewhere” (it also states the King means his heirs and successors as well).

Definition of adherent:  A supporter, as of a cause or individual

In the 1848 Treason Act as in that it states as an act of treason:

“to intimidate or overawe both Houses or either House of Parliament”

definition of overawe:

transitive verb

: to restrain or subdue by awe

definition of awe (Entry 1 of 2)

1

: an emotion variously combining dread, veneration , and wonder that is inspired by authority or by the sacred or sublime

or the “old” definition that would have been current when the 1351 legislation was written:

2

archaic

a

: DREAD , TERROR

b

: the power to inspire dread

With all the incestuous international personal and financial links between the various players and organisations over the past few years that lead back to the same names of individuals and organisations popping up time and time again with monotonous regularity, with documented agendas by international organisations and individuals that seem to be highly prophetic and that our Government and advisors seem to follow almost exactly after a little bit of time and that are not in the national interest and with the supine and silent Members of Parliament almost like they are afraid to speak out under some intimidation and/or unspoken threat it seems to me that someone’s behaviour is treasonous as against the monarchy and they are adherents to someone who is not an ally of this country.

230059 ▶▶▶ William Hand, replying to RickH, 3, #897 of 2064 🔗

Peaceful non-compliance. If we all do it, this nonsense ends. Full stop. Just say NO.

229918 garry a, 23, #898 of 2064 🔗

What’s Lockdown 2 like near you? Up here is West Lancs it seems to be making very little difference. The traffic on the way to work was normal, and when I went for lunch the sandwich shop was busy. I joined a queue of six people. Four of us were mask-less. Got into a conversation with the mask-free customers and had a good laugh at the 4k per day fear mongering presentation. Lifted my mood a little.

229920 John Ballard, replying to John Ballard, 41, #899 of 2064 🔗

New lockdown….still travelled to work on the train. Work is still open, although staff given the option to work from home if they prefer. About a third have stayed in the office. No real message, just that I bet millions of others have done the same if able. I’m just more sick of this bullsh*t than I was at the start. I am staying in the office as mentally working from home isn’t great for me or anyone else. I laugh more each day in the office than I did in four months when I had to work from home previously.
I always vote Tory….I swear I never will again. If Reform UK have anything decent about them, then that is the future for me, if we ever get to vote again. I am just looking forward to the day Boris resigns and I get a chance to vote against the Tories.
The biggest disappointment is how so many have been fooled and hoodwinked by a handful of politicians and medical cronies without trying to verify what is being said.
No pub this weekend, no meal out, no shopping…..but they are yet to stop me walking the dog, they wont stop me seeing my elderly parents, my two kids will be around as per normal……no bubbles in my family……as much as possible my life will not be ruined by the buffoon and his stupidity. The clock is ticking for these fools……

229931 ▶▶ Chris Hume, replying to John Ballard, 11, #900 of 2064 🔗

I could have written exactly the same John, right down to the two kids! I ignore everything as far as it is possible to do so.

229923 Paul, replying to Paul, 47, #901 of 2064 🔗

The police state is in full swing here in rural Lincolnshire.
This morning my friend,who is in his mid seventies had not even driven a mile from his home when he was stopped.
He lives in a cottage miles out in the countryside,he had just set off along the quiet lane where he lives and he noticed a Police 4 wheel drive parked at the side of the road.He thought it was unusual but thought the copper was perhaps skiving and having his lunch or something.No sooner had my friend driven past the copper when on came the blue lights and he was told to pull over.I have to mention my friend is one of the nicest and most easy going people you could wish to meet.
The conversation went like this;
My friend ‘Morning,nice day,nice to see a bit of sun’
Copper ‘Could you step out of the car’
MF ‘Okay,but what’s the problem’
Cop ‘Can I ask where you are going ?’
MF ‘You can ask but I’m not going to tell you’
Cop ‘Can I have your name ?’
MF ‘ No,I don’t wish to tell you’
Cop ‘Again can you tell me where you are driving to ?’
MF ‘I don’t think you have any reason to know that ‘
Cop ‘So,you won’t tell me ?,what about your address ?’
My friend just pointed back along the lane but didn’t give the actual address.
Cop ‘Can you say why you are out driving ?’
At this point my friend was getting late for an appointment.
Mf ‘I don’t have to tell you but I will do because I am late now and I need to go,I’m going to Specsavers and the Doctors’
Cop ‘ Ok,right’
With that he told my friend he could go.What the bloody hell was that all about ?,at no point did the copper give a reason for stopping my friend.
My friend is equal parts angry and shaken up.
Welcome to England November 2020.

229946 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Paul, 15, #902 of 2064 🔗

I bet the copper jerked off afterwards

229947 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Paul, 2, #903 of 2064 🔗

You have to give a name if driving a motor vehicle. So the copper wasn’t on full nastiness mode.

“Why have you stopped me ?” is usually a good question. (But maybe not if you were doing 95 mph …).

229971 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to JohnB, 9, #904 of 2064 🔗

Only if they say the stop is for motoring offences and then you have to prove that you are allowed to drive the vehicle by having the correct class of licence.

if they don’t bring the subject up about driving you don’t have to give any information.

229976 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #905 of 2064 🔗

Cool, thanks AG.

229949 ▶▶ Gillian, replying to Paul, 4, #906 of 2064 🔗

As I understand the law in Scotland (possibly different in England), if pulled over by the police (under the Road Traffic Act 1988, which applies in both Scotland and England/Wales, the police can stop any vehicle to check out the occupants and/or the vehicle without having reasonable grounds for suspecting the commission of an offence, so random stopping IS lawful), the driver (and anybody else in the vehicle)is only obliged to give his/her name, address and date of birth. You are not obliged to give any other information (for example, where you are going and why). It is for the police to prove that you are in breach of lockdown regulations, not for you to prove that you are not. You are not obliged to help them prove a case against you by admitting that you are away from home in breach of the regulations, if that is indeed the case. So….be polite, identify yourself if required to do so,but firmly decline to answer any further questions. Don’t enter into any voluntary chitchat with the police, however “nice” the officers may be….you might accidentally incriminate yourself and give the police the evidence they need to give you a fixed penalty notice.

230361 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to Gillian, 1, #907 of 2064 🔗

The copper had no interest in my friends car,it’s legalities or his licence to drive it,he was only interested in where he was going.If it had been a genuine traffic stop my friend would’ve had no problem with it,it was clearly to provide a bit of lockdown menace.
The same police car was parked on the side of another country lane five miles away near my parents house two hours later.It looks like stopping and quizzing people at random to spread a bit more fear around and persuade some drivers to stop at home.

229950 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Paul, 12, #908 of 2064 🔗

I got pulled when I had to take my wife to A&E county hospital, Lincoln during first lockdown, it was late at night, and I was close to a few car dealerships, so when I got pulled I was expecting they would be checking that I was not going out on the rob, no it was because of lockdown.

I could have accepted that they wanted to make sure I was not robbing bit from the cars, but not checking why I was out at night.

No trust in the police any longer.

229966 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Dave #KBF, 6, #909 of 2064 🔗

No trust in any authority at all now.

229953 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Paul, 2, #910 of 2064 🔗

Unlike if you are out and about as a pedestrian, you are obligated to identify yourself if stopped in a car. You don’t have to give any more info than that even if arrested.

229957 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to chaos, 1, #911 of 2064 🔗

Your DoB if you don’t have your licence with you. But I’m nit-picking. 🙂

229968 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Paul, 8, #912 of 2064 🔗

The Land Rover and Toyotas 4x4s in Lincolnshire are run by the rural crime unit, they should be looking out for people stealing farm machinery and people hare coursing rather than checking up on citizens going about their lawful business.

229973 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Paul, 5, #913 of 2064 🔗

Does the zealotry of the police mean that they have eradicated common or garden criminality?

Whenever I’ve needed the police, it’s always been the ‘lack of resources’ line trotted out for non-attendance/non-solving of crime. But now, they’re able to attend dangerous felons such as your friend and that lady who was trying to take her 97 year old mother home.

229927 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 1, #914 of 2064 🔗

Yahoo still spreading the fear mongering, today..it’s this…

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/three-relatives-same-family-die-covid-same-week-105916169.html

229932 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to AnotherSceptic, 2, #915 of 2064 🔗

People who are related have similar response to virus shocker.

Ain’t genetics wonderful.

It’s almost like the family clusters from the original SARS never happened.

229930 alw, replying to alw, 4, #916 of 2064 🔗

Wry disturbing to read about the rights of those who are detained under the Mental Health Act facing further assault. Where are the human rights lawyers?
“THREAD:
This is one of the worst things I have read during this pandemic.
https://committees.parliamen
There is much to take issue with, but I’m popping back onto twitter to argue against one …”

A thread from @skepticalzebra
https://threader.app/thread/1324325124657610755

230005 ▶▶ Jo, replying to alw, 2, #917 of 2064 🔗

Posted about this yesterday. It isn’t actually to do with rights or otherwise of detained people – they are trying to use certain provisions in the mental health act to justify given forced vaccinations, because at present the only circs when you can force any type of medical treatment is to people detained under the MH Act. Personally I think it is nonsense, as is the parity argument (lockdown restrictions on par with forced vaccination), but as I no longer am a practising mental health lawyer I’m trying to get some help with this. For what it’s worth. They will find another way.

230020 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to alw, 2, #918 of 2064 🔗

Human Rights lawyers tend to be on the far left politically, and it is the far left who are sadly at the forefront of the tyranny being imposed on us (Dan Andrews, Jacinda Ardern, the list goes on….)

230053 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Darryl, 1, #919 of 2064 🔗

I am going to find out the truth about this, hopefully in the next day or so. I used to work with some of them….

229937 Lucan Grey, replying to Lucan Grey, 3, #920 of 2064 🔗

Old Chinese Saying.

“The mountains are high and the emperor is a far away”

229948 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Lucan Grey, 2, #921 of 2064 🔗

Another person to look to for inspiration, especially for ladies and small/older people, is Gladys Aylward ‘The Small Woman’ who went behind enemy lines and was so small and insignificant that nobody noticed her.

229964 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Lucan Grey, 3, #922 of 2064 🔗

In modern China the mountains may still be high, but the emperor is watching you from a thousand surveillance cameras.

229938 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #923 of 2064 🔗

Bit of a non-answers rom Jet2 but at least the boss man who was doing the complaining recently has read my e-mail:

“Thanks for your email to our CEO, Steve Heapy, who has asked me to contact you on his behalf.

I understand you’ve raised concerns with the recent announcements by the WTTC and how this reflects in our communication. Whilst this isn’t something we will be able to comment on, I note you’ve been I contact with the other organisations and I hope you are successful in hearing back from them.

At Jet2holidays and Jet2.com , we are committed to our customers in providing the best resolutions we can as a result of the pandemic and it’s something we’re continuing to receive praise on how this is being handled. We’re also working hard to supply holidays and flights when we can operate and in line with the necessary guidance from the Foreign Commonwealth and Development Office.

Thank you again for getting in touch.”

229944 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #924 of 2064 🔗

Better than the Virgin Atlantic CEO (you’ll know this but for anyone else who might not, not Branson!) who I noticed on LinkedIn yesterday gave tacit support to the lockdown that is destroying his firm.

229967 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 1, #925 of 2064 🔗

Wonder what is in it for Branson to support the lockdown?

229975 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Victoria, #926 of 2064 🔗

It wasn’t Branson, it was Shai Weiss, the current Virgin Atlantic CEO. Expressed the usual platitudes about ‘public health coming first’.

230078 ▶▶▶▶ peter, replying to Victoria, #927 of 2064 🔗

Epstein Island.

229942 chaos, replying to chaos, 14, #928 of 2064 🔗

70 year old lady handcuffed by police for seeing her mum…

The more you say that the more fucked up it is.

Ukraine and Denmark soon to vote for mandatory vaccination. Given how fuckwitted our MPs are, if that happens here they will vote to make it mandatory.

229952 ▶▶ DRW, replying to chaos, 3, #929 of 2064 🔗

That’s if they even get a vote, they can just issue another SI.

229951 John Linford, replying to John Linford, 22, #930 of 2064 🔗

Lockdownsceptics.org could do us a great service by becoming a focal point and advertiser for protests against lockdown around the country. I’m in my 70s and live far far from London but I would join protests locally if I knew about them. Somehow we need to get to the size of protests and nationwide revolt that we had against the poll tax. The government retreated then and if there is enough civil unrest it will retreat on this too. Maybe…

229960 ▶▶ Melangell, replying to John Linford, 4, #931 of 2064 🔗

Agreed – I would like to meet up for protests in far-distant West Wales.

230068 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Melangell, 1, #932 of 2064 🔗

Just returned from a ride out to Strumble Head with some like minded bikers, beautiful sunshine, seals and dolphins, blew away some cobwebs, now fit for anything. I’ve been in Trafalgar Sq twice and would certainly take part in any protest closer to home!

229961 ▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to John Linford, 2, #933 of 2064 🔗

I wonder if it was the civil unrest or the non-payment that broke it.

230025 ▶▶▶ John Linford, replying to Andrew Fish, 1, #934 of 2064 🔗

A bit of both from what I recall. As we saw then and are seeing again with Covid-19 it is excruciatingly difficult for the government to admit it got it wrong.

229972 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to John Linford, #935 of 2064 🔗

Standupx / saveourrights / keepbritainfree announce protest/demos/marches etc.

230015 ▶▶▶ John Linford, replying to JohnB, 2, #936 of 2064 🔗

Good “links” (Google is your friend). I was with Standupx right up to the point that they were also against 5G. Conflating Covid-19 and 5G is technically bonkers and has caused a lot of the fragmentation that we see in the protests about Coronavirus. It gives the government an excuse to claim that the protesters are just cranks. The other two seem a bit more focussed.

It’s not good that there are (at least) three groups vying for the Covid-19 protest space but perhaps one will emerge as the focal point in due course. But the point is that I and therefore, I assume, many people are/were unaware of these groups. So Lockdownsceptics still has an important role to play in providing links at the very least.

230062 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to John Linford, 1, #937 of 2064 🔗

Conflating Covid-19 and 5G is technically bonkers and has caused a lot of the fragmentation that we see in the protests about Coronavirus.

Hi John, I’m not sure about this, for me the jury is still out. Am sceptical about 5G, for a start, what’s the reason for it? Why is it Politically Correct? Smelling rats.

It gives the government an excuse to claim that the protesters are just cranks.
Definitely true. I’m urging people to put “No to Lockdown” and similar on banners, as anything else confuses the public and gives ammunition to the gov and MSM

230116 ▶▶▶▶▶ John Linford, replying to Rosie, 1, #938 of 2064 🔗

From a purely technical PoV it is technically illiterate to suggest any link between 5G and the incidence of Covid-19. I worked in telecommunications all my life and fully understand the radiation safety issues of radio communications. Base stations are sufficiently far away from anywhere that a member of the public can get that a fundamental concept of physics – the inverse square law – comes into play, removing the risk. Far, far, far more danger from holding the mobile phone (of any -G) to your cranium for hours on end!

As for the reason for it: partly it is just the next generation of mobile phone data technology following on from 3G/4G. It is also an enabling technology for the Internet of Things, with the expectation that it will replace WiFi as the way that smart devices are connected to the Internet. That’s it really, no ulterior motives.

230009 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to John Linford, 3, #939 of 2064 🔗

Keep Britain Free have been trying to set up local groups of sceptics nationwide.

Now we are living in a police state it is very difficult for anyone to promote / organise protests.

230031 ▶▶▶ John Linford, replying to Darryl, 2, #940 of 2064 🔗

BLM seems to be able to. And without consequences.

230067 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Darryl, 3, #941 of 2064 🔗

Setting up local groups is super-important, and is as simple as going for a walk and speaking to people you meet.
Local war memorial at 11 am as well, potentially daily.

230149 ▶▶▶ James Bertram, replying to Darryl, 1, #942 of 2064 🔗

Also see ‘Forums – meet fellow sceptics’ on this lockdownsceptics.org site.
You have to register to use the forum’s private messaging.
The Surrey Group is on there.
However, not protests as such.
More just staying in touch, leafleting, etcetera

229965 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 15, #943 of 2064 🔗

Off topic but I was out gardening while the wife was doing cross-stitch with the TV on in the background.

She called me in to see something but it had finished so missed it.

What it was is she thinks Biden has been changed to a double – he was moving OK, almost running (before he was doddery and could hardly all unassisted), he was coherent (before he was out of it in time and space, forgot words, could not string an sentence together), his facial skin is different (less wrinkles) and his facial markings were different (liver spots etc in the wrong spot to not there anymore.

I’ve read a few times in really strange websites about Hilary Clinton being cloned and seen in 2 different places at the same time, Paul McCartney is a double and so on so maybe he is a clone or a body double now or even the extra dose of adrenochrome has worked for a day or 2.

Anyway that’s not what this is about but:

She doesn’t normally take an interest in stuff like that (or what is on her etc) but this past week or so has really changed her attitude and she is spotting the bullshit, lies, news being changed and so on like a good ‘un now. Swears at the TV news just like me when I have the misfortune to catch it.

She asked me how can people not remember what was said on the news yesterday and not challenge it today when they change everything overnight as if the viewers have a memory of 30 seconds and no-one blinks when today it is completely opposite to yesterday with different numbers, facts and so on.

Anyone else noticed more and more people who never used to be interested in politics, science, politicians and experts and so on now really take notice and are questioning a lot more?

229974 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to Awkward Git, #944 of 2064 🔗

He has been cloned

230122 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Eddy, #945 of 2064 🔗

Clowned.

229978 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #946 of 2064 🔗

Hmm, I was watching biden the other night wearing some sort of double mask and wondered if he was actually talking, dawned on me he could of been wearing some sort of device that was playing a pre recorded speech or a device transmitting a voice.

230137 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to stefarm, #947 of 2064 🔗

Perhaps by now he’s a chimera of man and machine.

230019 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #948 of 2064 🔗

Sounds like you have a keeper, I wish my wife would take more of an interest in politics. I am lucky that she is very sceptical in what she is told. I am generally the one who uses bad language, she is very controlled.

Sleepy Joe has changed a couple of times during the campaign, some days he could not string two words together, did not know where he was, another day he would be lucid and completely on it. One day in particular he was like a different person, but his face was covered by at least one mask, so it could have been a different person.

Not sure about Hillary being cloned, but I am sure Paul McCartney was replaced around 1966.

230036 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #949 of 2064 🔗

Could be a stunt double, more likely they’ve been fine tuning his medication, he must be a walking pharmacy. Whatever, he’s clearly not fit for the job which, of course, is exactly what they want.

230046 ▶▶▶ William Hand, replying to Hieronimusb, #950 of 2064 🔗

Far too old and sleepy!

230058 ▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to William Hand, #951 of 2064 🔗

..and corrupt.

230044 ▶▶ William Hand, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #952 of 2064 🔗

The proles are waking up! 🙂 Not saying anything about your wife of course. She sounds like a good ‘un.

230138 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Awkward Git, #953 of 2064 🔗

There are a lot of pictures from the 1st debate that show clearly that Biden was wearing some kind of wire, also very likely using ‘smart’ contact lenses on which he could read text being sent to him. There’s one point where he says something (I forget what now) which is clearly an instruction he has been sent, rather than something he was supposed to actually say out loud! Look closely at his eyes too; they are almost black, whereas he has blue eyes..
At the end of the debate, an aide comes up and collects what looks like an iPad from his lectern, whereas they are not supposed to have notes…

229970 Eddy, replying to Eddy, -2, #954 of 2064 🔗

Not heard anything about 5G for a while. Is there a link to any of this covid crap?

229993 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Eddy, 6, #955 of 2064 🔗

Personally I think the only link to Covid is the roll out of the Fourth Industrial Revolution technocratic / surveillance police state.

I suspect the 5G narrative was intentionally built up by the establishment to damage the anti-lockdown movement in the mainstream media.

230024 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Darryl, 6, #956 of 2064 🔗

I think 5G allows them to actually have this intensive tech-based surveillance. It isn’t a coincidence 5G is being rolled out as a version of the common cold is used as cover to implement the systems that will rely on it.

230040 ▶▶▶▶ William Hand, replying to jb12, 2, #957 of 2064 🔗

Yes bang on the money there. But if you live near a mast any radiation exposure over a long time can make you unwell.

230112 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to jb12, #958 of 2064 🔗

exactly – there is a good audio that mentions this : https://twitter.com/jonkirbysthlm/status/1324228017166626817

230159 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to jb12, #959 of 2064 🔗

Absolutely, they clearly want to monitor everyones location and who they are associating with, also the digital currency is on its way. The ECB, Federal Reserve and Bank of England have all openly discussed it recently – just need to completely crash the old system to start the new one.

Mainstream media is also ramping up the propaganda to get us softened us up for the invasive technology.

230133 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Darryl, 1, #960 of 2064 🔗

I suspect that too. Have a few woolly-hatted warriors as agents provocateurs (good visual for tv) then discredit the movement.

230169 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to thinkaboutit, #961 of 2064 🔗

The trouble is us lockdown skeptics can’t easily stop the agent provocateurs – all we can do is ignore them.

230070 ▶▶ John Linford, replying to Eddy, 7, #962 of 2064 🔗

I worked in telecommunications in technical roles all my life. There is absolutely no link between 5G and the incidence of Covid-19. Yes, 5G uses more powerful transmitters but the inverse square law ensures that base stations constitute no risk to health whatsoever. The biggest radiation risk by far, for 3G, 4G or 5G, is having the mobile phone held to your lughole for hours on end!

230098 ▶▶▶ davews, replying to John Linford, 2, #963 of 2064 🔗

Hear hear John. But last time I made the same comments here I got down voted. Nice to see a familiar face…

230105 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to John Linford, 4, #964 of 2064 🔗

Exactly. This mobile ‘phone stuff has been running for more than 20 years without any substance.

As you say – a handset propping up your brain is far more of a danger. But probably the bigger danger is addiction to what it conveys.

230121 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to John Linford, 1, #965 of 2064 🔗

My only fear about 5 G is the amount of data it can carry so we can all be monitored.

230153 ▶▶▶▶ John Linford, replying to thinkaboutit, 1, #966 of 2064 🔗

4G carries more than enough for that. 5G doesn’t really add much in terms of raw bandwidth to individual devices, because 4G is already quite fast enough. Mainly it enables smart devices (the Internet of Things) to be independent of Wifi connectivity and broadband backhaul.

230126 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to John Linford, #967 of 2064 🔗

I’ve heard the only risk is if you get close enough to the 5G transmitter and hug it

230323 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to John Linford, -1, #968 of 2064 🔗

Does 5G at the 60GHz frequency not interfere with haemoglobin oxygen uptake, John ?

230381 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to John Linford, 1, #969 of 2064 🔗

Thats what they told you.

How EMFs Disturb Your Immune System https://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/how-emfs-disturb-your-immune-system1

 1003 Abstracts with Electromagnetic Field Harms Research https://www.greenmedinfo.com/anti-therapeutic-action/electromagnetic-field-harms

230072 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Eddy, #970 of 2064 🔗

I’d say so, to judge by the advertisements. Huge one above London Bridge station, for example. COvid a cover for that as well.

229984 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 2, #971 of 2064 🔗

Covid cases fall in London just as we go into a new deadly lockdown. Are there other motives in play from those within Government?

The deadly lockdown is expected to cost £6bn in London alone.

https://twitter.com/BritainFree/status/1324328910499303424

230002 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Victoria, 1, #972 of 2064 🔗

To cull as many as possible…

230544 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Victoria, #973 of 2064 🔗

Osborne’s rag has a fucking cheek to ask that; they have been consistently supporting further lockdown.

229985 Suzyv, replying to Suzyv, 18, #974 of 2064 🔗

A posh friend of mine who has MP’s as neighbours just said she has it from a reliable source (don’t know what the source is mind you) that the plan is to extend this lockdown until just before Xmas. Then it will be ” Boris saves Xmas”. Then lockdown again. Given that furlough is to be extended until March (why when this is supposed to end on Dec 2nd?) I wouldn’t put it past them. Surely a few more gullible are reaching tipping point now to not comply?

229994 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Suzyv, 20, #975 of 2064 🔗

Important intelligence. These kind of leaks have been proven 100% on the money this year.

I was chatting with a neighbour today who owns a local jeweller’s shop. He knows full well that this lockdown is going to get extended, and that his business is basically finished.

After an excellent exchange where he was fully aligned with all of my sceptical views, I concluded that only we can get ourselves out of this mess and that no one is coming to save us. He wholeheartedly agreed.

230074 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Richard O, 1, #976 of 2064 🔗

Give him this video to watch – how to keep your business open
https://www.facebook.com/MartinCostelloUK/videos/1273034673046611/

230092 ▶▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Rosie, 7, #977 of 2064 🔗

I watched the video of the guy (in Liverpool?) telling the two female PCs that he does not consent to the Corona Virus Act and that his business operates under common law, so he will not be closing.

Do you know where the documents he served on the two PCs are available to download?

230101 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Dave #KBF, 1, #978 of 2064 🔗

I think Rosie posted a sign that businesses can use?

230080 ▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Richard O, 2, #979 of 2064 🔗

Very sadly this lockdown, even if only until 2nd December, will kill independent retailers.

No way can they commit to ordering stock when they do not know if they are going to be allowed to open or not.

Swearing removed at this point, use your imagination.

230187 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Richard O, #980 of 2064 🔗

I don’t doubt it will happen, but how does he know “full well”, Richard?

230016 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Suzyv, 10, #981 of 2064 🔗

Boris is deluded if he thinks that lifting the lockdown for Christmas and then back into lockdown will keep him in his job. Never forget! Conservative party is gone forever

230027 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Suzyv, 9, #982 of 2064 🔗

Just as I predicted. I say it’ll be extended until the week starting 14th December, the one before Christmas. He gets his jolly headlines and the masses get their festivities. Then “third wave” MSM fears are ramped up again in the new year for LD III, starting in late January and lasting until at least the end of March. And maybe forever for us types.

230135 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to DRW, #983 of 2064 🔗

This will be joy to the non Christian faiths in the UK

230194 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to DRW, 1, #984 of 2064 🔗

If we can get these predictions “out there”, with dates etc., they will look very silly when they do it. That might put them off?

230029 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Suzyv, 4, #985 of 2064 🔗

It will definitely go past 2 Dec, at least 2 weeks past is my guess.

230096 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Suzyv, 14, #986 of 2064 🔗

No..they will all comply. I have lost ALL, ALL faith in the British people. I plan to show up at the cenotaph and throw all my medals on the heap. I regret putting my life on the line, coming back with c- ptsd, seeing my friends and brothers blown up, shot, burned, frozen…They gave everything to this country and the country gave nothing back. Fuck Boris and all the MPs. human refuse ( besides the one that had one little morsel of integrity left)the lot of them..Never ending Lockdown, no travel, no pubs, no laughter, no joy, no fucking nothing. And the people, the people love it!!

230130 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Thomas_E, 8, #987 of 2064 🔗

Make sure that the MSM or a photographer is there to record you doing it then splash it all over the media if they will uproot it.

231245 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Thomas_E, #988 of 2064 🔗

At least the people on here dont love it….the rest are just pond life really.

230318 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Suzyv, #989 of 2064 🔗

Seen a couple of references to lockingdown again on Jan 4th.

230577 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Suzyv, #990 of 2064 🔗

Most surely.
The wildcard is the required Brexit freight custom checks from Jan 1st.
29 lorry parks coming along nicely. All over the country, some nowhere near a port.
Deffo supply line interruptions.
Just how bad is anybody’s guess.
I’m probably not the only one wondering what other uses might be envisaged for these sites.

The committee also raised the issue of the severe limits expected to face UK hauliers if bilateral agreements with EU member states are not made, or delayed, in the case of a no deal.

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Toilets will line the M20 as part of ‘Operation Brock’

Industry leaders warned that up to 39,000 UK haulage trucks could be rendered unusable after January 1 due to the limited number of ECMT permits allowed.

Only 1 in 4 UK haulage companies (or 2,000 of the 8,000 UK haulage companies) will qualify for an ECMT permit.

Elizabeth de Jong, Director of Policy at Logistics UK said: ‘There is a planned glide path to reciprocal arrangements – some reassurance that there won’t be a sudden market failure in this area.’

‘The ECMT permit system gives very little reassurance so it’s really important bilateral agreements are made. As only [2,000 of 8,000 UK hauliers] 1 in 4 UK hauliers could get a permit and they could only do one journey at a time with this permit.’

If bilateral agreements are not put in place the limits on ECMT permits could see UK facing a risk to it’s supply chain, said Mr Burnett.

He added: ‘From my perspective ECMT is not a solution if we don’t get the right deal. It’s also fair to say bilateral arrangements are going to take some time to negotiate with each member states.

‘This equates to around 39,000 trucks, a significant gap for EU hauliers to access Europe in the event of ECMT.’

During the committee all three industry representatives suggested they had not been provided with enough ‘clarity’ to properly prepare for January 1.

Mr Burnett of the Road Haulage Association said: ‘At this stage there is evidence that business are not prepared.

What is a ECMT permit? The permit, European Conference of Ministers of Transport (ECMT), allows travel through the European Union (minus Cyprus) and to the countries of Albania, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Georgia, North Macedonia, Moldova, Montenegro, Russia, Serbia, Turkey, and Ukraine.

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‘The haulage industry works with its customers to make sure they are prepared and in a poll last week 91 per cent felt they didn’t have the clarity needed to be able to prepare.

‘It is happening too slowly at this moment in time.’

‘At the moment we are seeing more and more EU hauliers holding back, suggesting they may not even trade or come to the UK from January 1 depending on the potential chaos, in terms of business processes, backload availability and queues, but that’s going to be a growing challenge for the market.

‘If we don’t strike the right deal with the right access it may be a risk to our own supply chain. Through the Covid pandemic for instance, when we had a shortage of drivers in Italy and Spain we had to send UK vehicles to pick up more volume and bring it back, if we don’t have the right deal this could be a risk to our supply chain if EU hauliers do stand and decide not to come.’

Mr Burner called a meeting held with Mr Gove a ‘wash out’ after it ‘broke down’ with 40 people on the round table raising ‘personal issues’

While it is hoped new ‘offices of departure’ across the country which will be used to process and stamp paper work will stop traffic from ‘funnelling into Kent’, Mr Ballantyne added ‘there may be queues there too.’

He said that he expects traffic to peak at Dover and the Euro Tunnel, in Folkestone.

Mr Ballantyne said that he supported the Government’s new boarder crossing IT system, GVMS, ‘in principle’ but said that the 54 days left to implement it was a ‘very short time scales to get the industry used to it’.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8873383/Brexit-Drone-photos-reveal-27-acre-Kent-field-workers-turn-park-1-700-lorries.html

229990 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 3, #991 of 2064 🔗

Can anyone point me to the credentials of Graham Hutchinson who has just published a video on YouTube and Anna Brees channel. I agree with everything he says condemning masks and vaccines but I can’t share it with the people I am appealing to until I can verify his credentials. Urgent! Thanks…

230034 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 3, #992 of 2064 🔗

I’ve transcribed some of his introduction, if that helps.

Graham Hutchinson, ex-Senior Chief Biomedical Scientist, Public Health UK (Colindale)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEFXRnDCYkc

“I was one of the senior chief biomedical scientists at the central public health laboratory in Colindale.

I worked in the division of hospital respiratory infection and antimicrobial reference unit we were responsible for the day-to-day monitoring of outbreaks of infection throughout the country.

I was responsible for the running of the MRSA reference unit the, gram negative unit the, (inaudible) PCR typing unit, the identification unit, hospital hygiene unit, and other various laboratories within our division.

I was also personally responsible for the global reference service for the category three organisms, Francisella tularensis, and Burkholderia pseudomallei.”

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/phe-colindale
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burkholderia_pseudomallei
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisella_tularensis

230081 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Mabel Cow, #993 of 2064 🔗

Many thanks

230407 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Mabel Cow, #994 of 2064 🔗

Thank you so much but I still can’t find anything officially linking his name to any of those bodies/studies. I desperately want to share this but if we are not certain of credentials and sources we are being no better than those who spread the fear!

230563 ▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #995 of 2064 🔗

Home-use nebulizers: a potential primary source of Burkholderia cepacia and other colistin-resistant, gram-negative bacteria in patients with cystic fibrosis

G R Hutchinson , S Parker, J A Pryor, F Duncan-Skingle, P N Hoffman, M E Hodson, M E Kaufmann, T L Pitt

230578 ▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #996 of 2064 🔗

In vitro activity of temocillin against gram-negative clinical isolates

H Gaya, G R Hutchinson , M V Chadwick

230588 ▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #997 of 2064 🔗

Growth and effect of chlamydiae in human and bovine oviduct organ cultures
G R Hutchinson , D Taylor-Robinson, R R Dourmashkin

A microbiological study of neonatal conjunctivae and conjunctivitis
M J Prentice, G R Hutchinson , D Taylor-Robinsin

Early detection of chlamydial inclusions combining the use of cycloheximide-treated McCoy cells and immunofluorescence staining
B J Thomas, R T Evans, G R Hutchinson , D Taylor-Robinson

Multiresistant Klebsiella pneumoniae in a neonatal nursery: the importance of maintenance of infection control policies and procedures in the prevention of outbreaks
Y M Coovadia, A P Johnson, R H Bhana, G R Hutchinson , R C George, I E Hafferjee

Interaction of metargidin (ADAM-15) with alphavbeta3 and alpha5beta1 integrins on different haemopoietic cells
D Nath, P M Slocombe, P E Stephens, A Warn, G R Hutchinson , K M Yamada, A J Docherty, G Murphy

230671 ▶▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Mabel Cow, #998 of 2064 🔗

Thank you so much. I will check these out. He speaks so credibly

229992 Hieronimusb, replying to Hieronimusb, 2, #999 of 2064 🔗

BBC News website sidebar headline: Assisted Dying Travel Allowed.
So that’s alright then.. I’d be more than happy to assist anyone responsible for this murderous insanity to a dose of their own medicine.

230023 ▶▶ Chris John, replying to Hieronimusb, 1, #1000 of 2064 🔗

I get first dibs on helping Wanksock to shuffle off his mortal coil.
From about 70000 feet. I think there’s a song about him jumping no mooooore!

230039 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Chris John, -1, #1001 of 2064 🔗

The job’s yours, I’ll take Fungus.

230030 ▶▶ Polemon2, replying to Hieronimusb, #1002 of 2064 🔗

I thought Assisted dying was illegal in the UK so what world are the BBC living in?

230041 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Polemon2, 1, #1003 of 2064 🔗

Switzerland?

230071 ▶▶▶ Polemon2, replying to Polemon2, #1004 of 2064 🔗

Sorry fellow sceptics, commented before seeing correct BBC news weblink posted earlier on here. All now made clear, Please ignore.

229995 Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, 5, #1005 of 2064 🔗

My fellow slaves… It’s either kill or be killed!

By now those modern slaves not in a deep coma or delusion already know that the Plans of the Secular Ruling Families & Billionaires is to cull as many as possible, and the 516 jesters/terrorists that voted to keep on culling are just making sure that Their Plan is successful!

230021 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Voz 0db, #1006 of 2064 🔗

Who are the secular ruling families?

Not sure talking about killing people is overly helpful to this site or its cause.

230086 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Julian, 3, #1007 of 2064 🔗

Julian, unfortunately the evidence is plain to see and has been for decades, though I agree that it shouldn’t be a focus, merely to have a handle on what we are up against and how urgently we need to act. Now isn’t a time for habitual good manners. Walk up to strangers and talk to them and find out where they are at. We need many many people to be finding other sceptics and encouraging them to pushback in every way they can.

230313 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Julian, -1, #1008 of 2064 🔗

The government have been killing people for months, Julian. Fairly sure you have noticed.

As to who the ‘secular ruling families’ are, if they exist, would you really expect them to self-publicise, give interviews, take selfies ? Come on.

230353 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to JohnB, #1009 of 2064 🔗

Of course they exist… They are just ultra-discreet!

230349 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Julian, #1010 of 2064 🔗

Dear fellow slave… If at this point in time you’re still asking you owns you! Try to catch up. And spare us from that nonsense you wrote. They are killing thousands by the day, and you’re “worried” about some stupid site?!?!

They are culling with absolute impunity and your concern is about a virtual site!
What is this site going to do to Them and all their jesters?!

Secular Families: Morgan, Moses Seifs, Lehmans, Sachs, Loebs, Warburg, Rothschilds, Rockefellers and Lazards.

229998 CGL, replying to CGL, 14, #1011 of 2064 🔗

Anyone seen this yet:
https://mobile.twitter.com/jonkirbysthlm/status/1324308555093184512?s=21

Nurse publicly resigning (apologies if already posted)

230013 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to CGL, 7, #1012 of 2064 🔗

Thanks this is great.

She took a screen shot of Covid patients in the hospital = 3

230018 ▶▶ John Galt, replying to CGL, 3, #1013 of 2064 🔗

Just saw it and was about to post it myself – wonderful to see.

A longer version is also posted here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpnPIij0OLE&feature=youtu.be

230035 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to John Galt, 4, #1014 of 2064 🔗

Does anyone know who she is? Is she for real? I bloody hope so, but am always a bit dubious about fb posting unless I can verify details and whether it’s true. It’s almost too good to be true, and I’ve always been told in that instance, it probably isn’t!

230063 ▶▶▶▶ John Galt, replying to CGL, 8, #1015 of 2064 🔗

Her name is Shelley Tasker (the DailyMail mentioned her name in an article). She’s a big sceptic, does a radio show and all sorts.

She’s talked before:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYw_hRO-oag

She’s been referred to as a “health care assistant” prior to this:

“The rally was introduced by Shelley Tasker, a health care assistant from the Camborne area. “I wear a mask at work because I have to, but I hate it. We need to have our own freedom of choice. I don’t feel they are necessary especially four months after.””

https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/piers-corbyn-calls-brother-jeremy-4529625

230066 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to John Galt, 4, #1016 of 2064 🔗

Thank you – that’s very helpful.

230051 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to CGL, 1, #1017 of 2064 🔗

Thank you.

230103 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to CGL, 1, #1018 of 2064 🔗

Fantastic young woman.
Church doors open as well (unlike Southwark Cathedral – shame on you).

230124 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Rosie, 2, #1019 of 2064 🔗

Looks like Truro Cathedral to me. Go girl!

230134 ▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to bluemoon, 2, #1020 of 2064 🔗

The hospital she refers to is Treliske, the largest in Cornwall, actually the only big multi discipline one!

230476 ▶▶ petgor, replying to CGL, 1, #1021 of 2064 🔗

Thank you for that very interesting item. It seems that Big Brother, whether Twitter or the hospital or a combination of both, the account has been suspended. I have recorded it.

230603 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to petgor, #1022 of 2064 🔗

Ooh – just spotted you there – well done you!!!

230594 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to CGL, 1, #1023 of 2064 🔗

Now showing ‘Account suspended’…

230604 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Kevin 2, #1024 of 2064 🔗

Yes – I was just coming back to say this – what the hell? How do we find out why – on the fb post I saw it on, it says False Information – how would they know it is false? It was a video – they couldnt possibly have checked the validity of it in that time – it would take some investigation surely.

230000 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 4, #1025 of 2064 🔗

In other words, the deadly lockdown will last until the end of March

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1324355268860403712

230162 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Victoria, 6, #1026 of 2064 🔗

It’ll be lifted in December to allow the beleaguered shops to claw back some profit before Christmas and also so Johnson can portray himself as the ‘saviour of Christmas’ but we’ll be back in lockdown in January as punishment for daring to have a nice time and see family on December 25th.

230007 Polemon2, replying to Polemon2, 8, #1027 of 2064 🔗

Well now it is effectively confirmed – Furlough extended to March 2021. Lockdowns in various forms will continue until spring 2021.

230017 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Polemon2, 10, #1028 of 2064 🔗

At least Spring 2021. I would assume covid related restrictions will last in various forms will last for the rest of my life (20-30 years). We still have 9/11 restrictions.

230164 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Julian, 1, #1029 of 2064 🔗

I’ve assumed that lockdowns/restrictions until spring 2021 are baked into the cake. We’ll only know how bad things will be going forward after that point. Our version of furlough has also been extended in the sense it has been rolled into our existing EI (employment insurance) program. It’s not quite as generous as our emergency payments, so more generous than EI was before but not as much as the original emergency payments. While I’m not in Toronto anymore, the new restrictions are being lifted on gyms and restaurants, but not without a catch of course. I think the 2 meter distance has been extended to 3 meters, which will effectively kill off many of those businesses just scraping by before. There was actually some pushback, finally, but you can see what the government has done here. Because the “case” numbers aren’t any better since introducing the restrictions they couldn’t very well just lift them, so they lifted them sort of but not really. But at least we’re not the UK…yet.

230079 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Polemon2, 5, #1030 of 2064 🔗

Is this till they can carry out the mass vaxtermination programme?

230181 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Carrie, #1031 of 2064 🔗

I guess that will happen around the spring.

230094 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Polemon2, 9, #1032 of 2064 🔗

The only way out of this is larger and larger gatherings around the country saying NO! Our fate is in our own hands if we stand up in sufficient numbers, carpe diem!

230048 Lockdown_Lunacy, 44, #1033 of 2064 🔗

Report from my cousin in London. Unmuzzled man boarded the bus he was on and started loudly criticising the country for being brainwashed. We need more of this visible anger.

230049 John Galt, replying to John Galt, 6, #1034 of 2064 🔗

Hospital in England currently holding a new born baby ‘hostage’ unless the mother takes a Coronavirus test for her and her baby, mother and child are both fine with no symptoms.

https://twitter.com/BrettEverest/status/1324229485932273664

230076 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to John Galt, 1, #1035 of 2064 🔗

Saw about them doing this in some US states earlier in the year…

230139 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to John Galt, 2, #1036 of 2064 🔗

When you’re at home with a newborn you’re locked down anyway. OK, kidding — this is absolutely appalling. Some of the comments are even worse (just take the test, don’t you want to know if you and your baby are healthy?). And the poor mum probably had to labour with a mask on. I predict that home births will make a resurgence.

230148 ▶▶▶ who cares, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 1, #1037 of 2064 🔗

Home births will be banned. They have already banned private midwives (sorry, made it virtually impossible for them to get indemnity insurance except for one special group it seems). Basically, the only person not legally allowed to be at your birth, is a trained, private midwife.

Free births at home might rise, but the NHS will be slowly closing the net on home births, seeing as they are the only game in town now. Ain’t central planning wonderful.

230060 nocheesegromit, replying to nocheesegromit, 17, #1038 of 2064 🔗

I would just like to say a huge thank you to Peter Bone, my MP in my home constituency (and to Philip Hollobone, his right hand man). We may disagree on virtually everything else but he has come up trumps on this.

230329 ▶▶ Ossettian, replying to nocheesegromit, 1, #1039 of 2064 🔗

Sadly, my MP is the worthless cowardly wretch Tom Pursglove.

231002 ▶▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to Ossettian, #1040 of 2064 🔗

My condolences. I do find it funny how Bone and Hollobone are best mates in adjacent Northants constituencies yet Pursglove’s (also adjacent) views are very different. Perhaps he needs to see the effect this is having on Corby residents considering all 3 areas are pretty deprived.

230065 peter, #1041 of 2064 🔗

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230069 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 9, #1042 of 2064 🔗

If this is true…..
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230075 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Sarigan, 4, #1043 of 2064 🔗

Yes, I saw that – and seen quite a lot more about the same topic. Hope it is true!

230077 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Sarigan, 5, #1044 of 2064 🔗

Q crowd clutching at straws I’m afraid. They fell for one of the biggest psyops in history.

230104 ▶▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to Richard O, 1, #1045 of 2064 🔗

Psyop or LARPer. Not sure which.

230132 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Cicatriz, #1046 of 2064 🔗

What’s a LARP please?

230136 ▶▶▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Rosie, #1047 of 2064 🔗
230115 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Richard O, 1, #1048 of 2064 🔗

Thanks for confirmation – I have been assuming that Q-Anon is a psyops to draw off genuine opposition, but hadn’t known for sure.

230109 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to Sarigan, 1, #1049 of 2064 🔗

What a load of shite, the next stage is the “stab in the back” narrative. Stop this poisonous crap, now.

230131 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Recusant, 5, #1050 of 2064 🔗

I would expect more of it. We now live in a world where the credibility of the official narrative on everything is gone. It’s impossible to know what to believe.

Dark times ahead.

230111 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Sarigan, 3, #1051 of 2064 🔗

Don’t know about that but somethings happening a few days ago:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mail-in-voting-usps-inspectors-ballots-sweep/

The order comes after the Postal Service revealed more than 300,000 ballots were received but unable to be traced to their destination”

230223 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Awkward Git, #1052 of 2064 🔗

There is SO much corruption going on – loads of films on the internet of all sorts of underhand shenanigans.

In one state there were a load of dead people voting, also people aged 120+!!!!

War room is on now…

230256 ▶▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Carrie, #1053 of 2064 🔗

Me (yesterday): Biden’s won, look at the numbers…
Farage on Talk Radio: We’re years ahead of them on postal voting – remember Tower Hamlets, Peterborough..
Me (today): Oh…

230465 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to kf99, #1054 of 2064 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKEtXzxIUfc&feature=youtu.be

A short film with examples of Democrat cheating 😉

230123 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Sarigan, 4, #1055 of 2064 🔗

If this is true, why aren’t all the ballots watermarked?

230147 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Sarigan, 2, #1056 of 2064 🔗

Steve Bannon’s War Room is good to watch. He’s just explaining that the GOP have all the Constitutionalists in the various seats of power who have control over this. Do a proper recount, verify votes and you’ll see it all fall out.

230189 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to mhcp, #1057 of 2064 🔗

Yes, that pundit Richard Baris is amazing on the stats too!

Steve Bannon is a bit annoying, but the information on war room is reliable and often not things you can easily get access to elsewhere..

230367 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Sarigan, #1058 of 2064 🔗

WOW. Lets hope these evil scamsters are exposed for the scum they are.

230082 guy153, replying to guy153, #1059 of 2064 🔗

Lots of genders in that list I’d never heard of. But why “neutrois” and not “neutroise”?

230088 ▶▶ James Bertram, replying to guy153, 1, #1060 of 2064 🔗

I though ticking ‘other’ would be a wheeze. What ‘other’ was left – alien? cyborg? Covid-vaccinated?

230093 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to guy153, #1061 of 2064 🔗

Seems to me that German is the only language suitable for the new woke world of gender!

230294 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to guy153, #1062 of 2064 🔗

Sexxxxist !

230083 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 8, #1063 of 2064 🔗

https://twitter.com/emilysheffield/status/1324317469578768384

Virus cases have fallen across vast swathes of London raising questions on whether the capital had to lockdown. Especially as new figures suggest 4 weeks will cost London £6billion. The govt u-turned before – will it u-turn to raise us out earlier?

Of course London didn’t need to lock down (nor did any of the country but that’s another matter). It’s been obvious for weeks that London has enough immunity to prevent surges, spikes and tsunamis. The govt won’t u-turn though. They would rather spaff away £6 billion than admit that they were wrong.

230090 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1064 of 2064 🔗

She is interesting – Sam Cam’s sister, and editor of Evening Standard, owned by Boris’s Russian billionaire friend.

230129 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #1065 of 2064 🔗

Emily Sheffield, what tangled webs we face – and the decisions people make when push comes to shove. Which way will they go?

230143 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Rosie, 1, #1066 of 2064 🔗

And her husband is a restaurateur!

230142 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #1067 of 2064 🔗

Ooh didn’t know that, thanks.

230685 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #1068 of 2064 🔗

The Camerons have a lot of Chinese links – see Lude media.

Lude says there is also information to be released on BJ.. which will come out soon..

230156 ▶▶ alw, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #1069 of 2064 🔗

Just had it confirmed yet again, third week in a row from a doctor Royal Free Hospital very quiet.

230557 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to A. Contrarian, #1070 of 2064 🔗

It’s been obvious for weeks that London has enough immunity to prevent surges, spikes and tsunamis.

Yup! I’ve been posting for weeks about London having herd immunity.

230087 A. Contrarian, 3, #1071 of 2064 🔗

And this, which will also be roundly ignored.

https://twitter.com/AlastairGrant4/status/1324281676395126784

COVID Case numbers in England appear to have stabilised before #Lockdown2 starts. The graph shows R numbers for week ending 1st November (in red), compared with those for the previous week (black). Median across all local authorities is 1.

230091 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 15, #1072 of 2064 🔗

Hillary Jones: ” How to feel good during lockdown”
THERE IS NOT A SICK BUCKET BIG ENOUGH!!!

230102 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to Fingerache Philip., 9, #1073 of 2064 🔗

Let me guess, earn loads of money from going on TV and then get a fake tan to make yourself look gorgeous? Nice work if you can get it.

230110 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Recusant, 5, #1074 of 2064 🔗

If that’s gorgeous, I’m glad I’m ugly.

230448 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Recusant, 1, #1075 of 2064 🔗

I’ve got a genuine tan AND I’m ugly, what’s not to like?

230179 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Fingerache Philip., 7, #1076 of 2064 🔗

He’s a collaborator. He was on the TV early in the epidemic saying face masks don’t work and why. Then, as if by magic they suddenly do. TV stooge, what happened to his oath “do no harm”. He isn’t fit to be a Doctor!

230201 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to FlynnQuill, #1077 of 2064 🔗

When he first appeared years ago, he was ok, but I’ve long since found him repulsive (one’s instinctive reaction to a stooge)

230242 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to FlynnQuill, 2, #1078 of 2064 🔗

Why did you think he got a MBE?

230370 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Fingerache Philip., #1079 of 2064 🔗

He’s more or less a Presstitute nowadays.

230117 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 7, #1080 of 2064 🔗

Sorry, another one.

https://twitter.com/BenChu_/status/1324361082388008962

I’m told Ed Humpherson, Director General for Regulation at Office for Statistics Regulation (UK’s statistics watchdog), spoke privately yesterday to @uksciencechief and @CMO_England to voice concerns about their presentation of modelling data at last Saturday’s press conference.

I hope he gave them the biggest dressing down of their lives, that’s all I can say. Detentions all round.

230248 ▶▶ ambwozere, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1081 of 2064 🔗

They’ve put a statement on their website that basically says that data should be transparent and clear.

https://osr.statisticsauthority.gov.uk/news/osr-statement-regarding-transparency-of-data-related-to-covid-19/

230386 ▶▶ RickH, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1082 of 2064 🔗

One bit of good news from the tattered remnant of democratic accountability – doing what the Labour Party failed comprehensively to nail.

230504 ▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to RickH, 2, #1083 of 2064 🔗

Covid: Regulator criticises data used to justify lockdown
The government has been criticised by the official statistics watchdog for the way it presented data to justify England’s second lockdown.

Sir David Norgrove , chair of the UK Statistics Authority, said: “I recognise the pressures faced by all those working on decisions related to coronavirus.

“But full transparency of data used to inform decisions is vital to public understanding and public confidence.”

Sir David Spiegelhalter, one of the most respected statisticians in the country, said the whole saga had been “really unfortunate”.

230581 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Richard Pinch, #1084 of 2064 🔗

Great

230573 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1085 of 2064 🔗

I can’t help but agree with him.

I’ve been so disappointed to see the ONS using models to produce estimates of Covid numbers. The ONS has always been praised for producing cold, hard, raw data, actual data, not guesses based on models.

Talking as a statistician, I’m sure that some of the people at the ONS must be heartbroken at being made to produce this guff.

230145 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #1087 of 2064 🔗

Wasn’t he pushing for a hard lockdown a week or so ago?

230197 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Ozzie, 1, #1088 of 2064 🔗

For London, presumably to get cash handouts as per some northern cities achieved. national lockdown won’t do that.

230362 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Ozzie, 1, #1089 of 2064 🔗

Yes, but he couldn’t get the money. Now he’ll want people back at work to keep TfL going.

230623 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to thinkaboutit, #1090 of 2064 🔗

He did get money for TfL; he got 1.8 billion quid.

230622 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Ozzie, #1091 of 2064 🔗

Yes, he was.

230198 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1092 of 2064 🔗

Ahh but Khan was instrumental in closing London down

230140 Awkward Git, 1, #1093 of 2064 🔗
230144 Janice21, replying to Janice21, 46, #1094 of 2064 🔗

Have just took over an hour to calm down with rage after being questioned for the first time from a member of the public as to why I was not wearing a mask.
Went to Tesco express to grab myself a quick lunch to eat at home with my sister. My sister was still in the queue so I went outside to wait for her. Was wearing my lanyard. Woman in her 50s standing outside fixing and putting her face nappy on and said ‘Do you not wear a mask?’
‘No’ I said
‘Why not?’ she asked
‘I am exempt’ I replied.
‘How?’ she very rudely asked.
‘Mind your own business’ was my response before I looked away and stood waiting for my sister while she went on in to the shop.
I was that shocked to be asked in the first place especially by someone in the street so I wish I had a better reply, but I then filled with rage and wished I had have just told her to fuck off, but then I would have been just as rude as her.

How dare she!

230151 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Janice21, 9, #1095 of 2064 🔗

Your response was spot on. The absolute cheek!

230152 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Janice21, 10, #1096 of 2064 🔗

Don’t let it get to you – a lot of people will be feeling very frustrated right now, they’re just looking for people to take that frustration out on.

230157 ▶▶ Klein, replying to Janice21, 10, #1097 of 2064 🔗

You’re a fellow N.Irelander aren’t you? I’ve yet to be questioned, but am planning to tell the first person to ask me to fuck off and mind their own business.

230165 ▶▶▶ Janice21, replying to Klein, 7, #1098 of 2064 🔗

Yes I am Klein. Nearly all staff I have dealt with in shops etc have been overall nice an not cared about my non mask wearing. Never been challenged in a shop let alone some asshole on the pavement. So it was a bit of a shock.

230158 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to Janice21, 23, #1099 of 2064 🔗

My only hostile challenge was on the District line a few weeks ago. Middle aged gent pointed to his mask as I got on saying “Mask Sir!” to which I replied “EXEMPT SIR!”, sat down and glared at him for a bit.
Probably helps being a bit bulky and a bit bolshie.

230172 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Janice21, 15, #1100 of 2064 🔗

My reply would have been “F@ck off you stazi cow”. Always shuts them up I’ve found.

230240 ▶▶▶ Kev, replying to FlynnQuill, 9, #1101 of 2064 🔗

Nazi Bitch might be better, most morons won’t know what the Stasi was, if they did they might not act like one. Same with snitching, if they knew the eventual fate of some snitches.

230262 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Kev, 3, #1102 of 2064 🔗

Probably don’t know what a Nazi is either.

230436 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #1103 of 2064 🔗

Then it’s time they looked in a mirror.

230184 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Janice21, 6, #1104 of 2064 🔗

I haven’t been approached yet, or even a hint of it.

But I have range of responses ready, from icy stare, to ‘don’t you think this garbage has gone on long enough’, to ‘Baaa’.

230214 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to TJN, 8, #1105 of 2064 🔗

Mine is along the lines of ‘You are making yourself ill with that thing on. You should take it off’
and
‘Please don’t breathe your filthy bacteria-laden air all over me.

230394 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Rosie, 2, #1106 of 2064 🔗

I’ll add them to my repertoire!

230297 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to TJN, 11, #1107 of 2064 🔗

Me neither. Sadly, I had to break my embargo of Waitrose yesterday. Went in, no mask (obvs) no lanyard and spent what seemed like an eternity waiting at the till having a laugh with the friend I went in with. No-one said anything to either of us. But, it was instructive that we were the only two smiling/laughing. It was like being in the land of the living dead.

230392 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to kh1485, 5, #1108 of 2064 🔗

Yeah, zombie land. Everyone’s sooooo miserable. Even the ones who are so far up their own arses they think they’re being good citizens.

230438 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to TJN, 2, #1109 of 2064 🔗

Are they happy being miserable?

230757 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to annie, 1, #1110 of 2064 🔗

Some people are most happy when being self important, even if they’re miserable. The sort of people who never thought of a joke or funny remark in their lives.

230190 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Janice21, 6, #1111 of 2064 🔗

People do not understand that they are no allowed by law, to ask why you do not have to wear a mask.

I think Awkward Git explained in very clear terms to a group in a shop what hot water they were getting themselves into.

230210 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Dave #KBF, 5, #1112 of 2064 🔗

They don’t know what applies to themselves, let alone other people, because they have not looked at the actual guidance or legislation for even one second.

230235 ▶▶▶▶ Janice21, replying to Sam Vimes, 7, #1113 of 2064 🔗

Its crazy. It’s also a highly moral issue. I would never in a million years ask someone in a wheelchair why they can’t walk!

230253 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Janice21, 11, #1114 of 2064 🔗

Exactly: “Do you need that wheelchair?”, “Are you sure you are black?” “I bet you’re not really autistic”… Wouldn’t fly, would they?

230820 ▶▶▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Janice21, #1115 of 2064 🔗

That is a great reply next time .IF I WAS IN A WHEELCHAIR WOULD YOU ASK ME WHY I CAN’T WALK .

230200 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Janice21, 7, #1116 of 2064 🔗

Thanks everyone. I’m a bit of a meek person and clam up at any sort of confrontation so this will be a lesson learned going forward if/when I have a similar experience again.
Funny this is, I just remembered that that particular Tesco Express have an A4 sign on their door saying they welcome Sunflower lanyard holders. I should have pointed it out to her.

230209 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Janice21, 4, #1117 of 2064 🔗

Well done Janice!.
Now you know you can do it. Mind your own business is a good response!
Utterly enraging.
Yesterday I found I was getting better at being on the front foot, so to speak, with rude/stupid people. And cutting myself off emotionally as someone here has been saying, sorry can’t remember who, ConstanceB perhaps.

230228 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Janice21, 9, #1118 of 2064 🔗

I won’t wear a lanyard. A member of the public who asks should be told firmly to mind their own business or better to fuck off.

231249 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Janice21, #1119 of 2064 🔗

I have only been asked once and its always a member of the public it seems….I just said I am not answerable to you…..do one! I am fairly big and am not afraid of confrontation even of the physical sort…people can see that so they dont often try it on.

230216 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Janice21, 2, #1120 of 2064 🔗

I have a discriminatory challenges document you can print out and shove in the face of any would-be oppressor.

230221 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Mabel Cow, #1121 of 2064 🔗

Just tell to …..

230222 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Mabel Cow, 5, #1122 of 2064 🔗

Defo recommend giving them a lecture in return about why they should not be wearing the thing. Other people can hear you as well. Go on the offensive. Gives you power to your elbow.

When parents have them on I can give them a triple-lecture it makes me so angry. Your child needs to see human face. It’s a fundamental human need.

230267 ▶▶▶▶ Janice21, replying to Rosie, 10, #1123 of 2064 🔗

My children are 2.5 and 1.5 and there is no way in hell I am ever wearing a mask especially around them. I feel sad when I see other parents collecting their kids at creche and they have masks on. I want my kids to see me waiting and smiling to greet them with a hug.

230346 ▶▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Janice21, 5, #1124 of 2064 🔗

‘Carers’ are exempt from mask wearing. If the parents of a toddler are not carers, what are they?

230441 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Janice21, 2, #1125 of 2064 🔗

And that is a wicked, life-endangering thing to do, eh?

230478 ▶▶▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to Janice21, 2, #1126 of 2064 🔗

You’re a wonderful mother Janice!!

230809 ▶▶▶▶▶ CapLlam, replying to Janice21, 1, #1127 of 2064 🔗

Mine are 3 , 2 and currently cooking one I don’t wear a mask around them , it frightens them. Plus they need to see their parents faces for development.
My dad wears a shield when shopping however it’s usually been taken off by his grandchildren so he doesn’t bother with it.

230263 ▶▶▶ Janice21, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #1128 of 2064 🔗

Excellent thank you Mabel Cow, I will have a look now. Actually thinking of printing labels and giving them out to anyone else who ever asks or just put them up in places.

230277 ▶▶▶ Simon, replying to Mabel Cow, 4, #1129 of 2064 🔗

The low mood bit is enough. Very little needed to prove it, and is often used on medical records to avoid having to put something more serious as clinical depression.

It’s enough for a GP to write a sick note for several months off work. I know.

I’d even argue a past diagnosis would be enough for anyone to have suffered with it to be suffering with it now.

230784 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Simon, 1, #1130 of 2064 🔗

My face tells everyone i have low mood – they don’t need to ask!

230647 ▶▶▶ DomW, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #1131 of 2064 🔗

I’ve printed and laminated several copies.

Thank you!

230219 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Janice21, 3, #1132 of 2064 🔗

“Fuck off” should be the standard reply.

230250 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Janice21, 16, #1133 of 2064 🔗

I’ve heard of people pretending they can’t hear what the masked person is saying. Just make hand signals to suggest you can’t understand — point to the mask and then your ear. I’m rarely out, but I try not to make eye contact with anyone wearing a mask as I don’t consider them to be worthy of human interaction. Anyone who covers half their face is a non-person to me. So ignoring is certainly one option.

230252 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 1, #1134 of 2064 🔗

Great advice

230343 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 4, #1135 of 2064 🔗

Excellent strategy. I tend not to look maskers in the eye because usually they won’t look at me. Ignoring them works well because they do become a non-person. I think they know this so they can be aggressive. I also do the hard of hearing thing, not difficult because I am!
Other tactics are the psychopath stare. If you do it well enough they back off, thinking that you don’t wear a mask because of mental health issues.

230383 ▶▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 1, #1136 of 2064 🔗

I am rather hard of hearing (single-sided deafness) so in my case it is not a pretence. Even a hearing aid doesn’t help.

230426 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 4, #1137 of 2064 🔗

This does work.

I am 99% deaf in one ear, 50% in the other and as my nerve damage is that bad hearing aids do not and will not work even the fancy direct nerve induction thingy ones.

When I stand there looking dumb and tell them that they either have to shout at me or take the masks off (it’s OK, legally they are allowed to as there is an exemption for this scenario I have to tell them sometimes as they have orders to be masked up at all times) pointing the the reverse of the government exemption round my neck that says “remove your afce covering etc” it’s amazing how embarrassed they get and how quickly the masks come off and a relieved look comes over their faces.

This then leads on to exemptions in general, the actual law and their companies cannot force them to wear a mask/face covering; risk assessments and evidence etc plus the notice of conditional acceptance slip into the conversation.

Good fun. Sometimes being nearly deaf has it’s advantages.

230282 ▶▶ John K, replying to Janice21, 8, #1138 of 2064 🔗

Next time tell the face nappy wearing cretin they are in violation of the Equality Act 2010, only a copper can ask you why. Request their name and address and tell the cretin your solicitor will be in touch and they could be liable for a fine up to £5000. Or ‘Fuck off’ if you’re in a rush. The latter is my fav.

230290 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Janice21, 1, #1139 of 2064 🔗

How very dare she ! 🙂

(Don’t look away, that is when crazy people might take a pop.).

230296 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Janice21, 2, #1140 of 2064 🔗

No. You were absolutely right to leave it at ‘Mind your own business’.

We all do it – but getting wound up doesn’t achieve much – except raised blood pressure.

230332 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Janice21, 1, #1141 of 2064 🔗

Very restrained of you to keep it at that.

230402 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Janice21, 7, #1142 of 2064 🔗

Remember these questions:

  • are you an on-duty policeman?
  • are you an on-duty CPSO?
  • are you duly appointed by the Secretary of State for Health or the Council and have the written documentation with you?
  • have you actually read and understood the actual law, not MSM bullshit or government pronouncements?

If the answers are no then the next line is “you’ve no right to question be under the law, you are now personally liable for a £9000 fine, feel free to give me your name and address so I can start proceeding?”

or

“fuck off you sanctimonious wanker” works quite well.

230672 ▶▶▶ Janice21, replying to Awkward Git, #1143 of 2064 🔗

Thank you so much!

230408 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Janice21, 1, #1144 of 2064 🔗

Here’s the laworfiction exemptions toolkit to print and take with you.

Pull that out and start filling it in – scares the shit out the the sanctimonious wankers and the shops.

https://laworfiction.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Face-Covering-Exemption-Notice-with-Law-Explained-24-July-2020.pdf

230430 ▶▶ Winter, replying to Janice21, 1, #1145 of 2064 🔗

I tend to be fairly circumspect with anyone asking – on the basis they may be looking for a way out. Depends on their tone if they ask.

230814 ▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Janice21, #1146 of 2064 🔗

Don’t worry it’s your first time .Next time MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS AND BY THE WAY FUCK OFF .

230154 Dave #KBF, replying to Dave #KBF, 10, #1147 of 2064 🔗

The vast majority of people use Google as their search engine, unfortunately Google are altering search result to suit their narrative.

Duckduckgo is an alternative search engine

Click on your browser below to see how to change your search engine.

Microsoft Edge
Google Chrome
Apple safari
Mozilla Firefox

230167 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Dave #KBF, 10, #1148 of 2064 🔗

Duckduckgo is great – doesn’t track queries and stops targeted advertising. Works really well with Firefox (which also protects your privacy).

230171 ▶▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, #1149 of 2064 🔗

Bing, as a search engine, is less intrusive than Google.

230218 ▶▶▶▶ Kev, replying to Ozzie, 5, #1150 of 2064 🔗

Bit its Microsoft, so will be tracking all kinds of things.

Best combination I think is Duckduckgo and Brave Browser, doesn’t record history and blocks adverts.

230251 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Kev, 1, #1151 of 2064 🔗

I was forced to use Bling at a previous workplace. It was rubbish IMO.

230177 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Dave #KBF, 5, #1152 of 2064 🔗

Yes I think we should all move away from Google as much as possible. I will do it this evening.

230203 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Dave #KBF, 3, #1153 of 2064 🔗

I also suggest installing the DuckDuckGo browser for Android and iOS .

Otherwise, browsing the web from your mobile phone will leave a nasty trail because your phone knows who you are and Google are more than happy to broadcast that fact.

230254 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #1154 of 2064 🔗

Brave is also a very good alternative browser.

230227 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Dave #KBF, 1, #1155 of 2064 🔗

On full size machines, the VPN mode in Opera is very useful. I don’t do much browsing on phone, so can’t say if it’s good for that. The price is certainly right 🙂

230319 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Dave #KBF, 1, #1156 of 2064 🔗

Thanks. Google be gone!

230322 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Dave #KBF, 2, #1157 of 2064 🔗

I went full crazy in the first lockdown, so mad at the Billybot I removed Windows rather than give Microsoft the dosh. I installed Linux, Firefox, a VPN and DuckDuckGo.
If anyone can suggest further improvements please do. ( Still working on the Android workarounds).

230155 Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 18, #1158 of 2064 🔗

Walked home from work this afternoon, as per usual, through St Clement’s (Oxford) and the park. Lots of people about in twos, threes and fours. The traffic in that area was as busy as normal (even the old normal) for that time of day. Buses, whilst not busy, had people on them (Lockdown 1.0 they were running empty). Is how a rebellion starts – ignoring the dictats from the government and keep carrying on life as usual (as far as possible given that many businesses are closed)?

230166 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Ozzie, 4, #1159 of 2064 🔗

Hopefully LD2 “Will not end with a bang but with a wimper”
With apologies to Aldous Huxley.

230307 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #1160 of 2064 🔗

Wancock whimpers.
Dungford whimpers.
Pig Johnson whimpers.
Pantsdown whimpers.
Witless and Unbalanced whimper.
Lovely sounds.

230185 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Ozzie, 21, #1161 of 2064 🔗

I think that’s exactly how rebellion starts. Civil disobedience — not violence– on a mass scale. There simply aren’t enough police officers to ticket or arrest everyone who is out and about. Similarly back in the summer when thousands flocked to beaches against government orders on those hot days. Can’t arrest thousands of people on the beach. Oh, and do you remember the surge of infections 2 weeks later? Yeah, me neither.

230205 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 10, #1162 of 2064 🔗

THAT’S WHAT I’VE BEEN TRYING TO TELL THE COLLABORATORS IN OUR FAMILY FOR MONTHS ON END!!!!

230213 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Fingerache Philip., 7, #1163 of 2064 🔗

There is only one punishment for collaborators.

230534 ▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 1, #1164 of 2064 🔗

a good point – in the UK there are about 52million adults, of which only about 126,000 are police officers. go figure…

230225 ▶▶ Van Allen, replying to Ozzie, 5, #1165 of 2064 🔗

Just been into the local town centre – was pleasantly surprised by the number of shops open and the amount of shoppers. Tbh I wondered at one point whether the lockdown had started! A number of national stores which closed temporarily last time remained open even Costa, for takeaways, presumably. Roads seem busier than normal if anything. I’m just worried the power crazed government will order the police to make arrests to remind people to remain “sufficiently threatened”.

230247 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Ozzie, 9, #1166 of 2064 🔗

Went for some new tyres on the car this morning. None of the mechanics were masks and the only Covid sign was about (anti-) social distancing. Then went for fuel. Person in front of me at the pay booth had no mask and neither did I. No comments just a smile from the lady at the desk.

230160 sky_trees, replying to sky_trees, 7, #1167 of 2064 🔗

Furlough until March. Not sure what that bodes.

230176 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to sky_trees, 1, #1168 of 2064 🔗

Why were councils so keen on Tier 2 – Oxford were pushing for it (and were put into it just last week) – is there more money for the council?

230207 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Ozzie, 4, #1169 of 2064 🔗

It seems so and they get more powers. Little Hitlers are everywhere.

230233 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Rowan, 2, #1170 of 2064 🔗

I think there was a payment per head for each tier. More for T3 of course.

230244 ▶▶▶ sky_trees, replying to Ozzie, 2, #1171 of 2064 🔗

Money I suspect, and getting to think they’re little heroes, telling everyone how to live and ‘keeping you safe’. Some people love power, I think and they get to look like they’re important and doing something useful.

230419 ▶▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to sky_trees, 1, #1172 of 2064 🔗

It’s the virus of self importance many of these types are infected with.

230188 ▶▶ Van Allen, replying to sky_trees, 3, #1173 of 2064 🔗

Not good. Judging by the comments on Sunak’s Twitter announcement a lot of people are not best pleased…

230316 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Van Allen, #1174 of 2064 🔗

But a lot because of the money they are not getting rather than disbelief in lockdown ( would be nice if they complained about both).

230245 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to sky_trees, 1, #1175 of 2064 🔗

I prefer March before furlough

230315 ▶▶ Graham3, replying to sky_trees, #1176 of 2064 🔗

Universal Income?

230168 wendy, replying to wendy, 26, #1177 of 2064 🔗

On the eve of Lockdown 2 the city of Manchester restaurants, and cafes were packed out. Queues outside many places. Only bar venues serving food have been allowed to stay open in our very high alert tier, so places like Wetherspoons, and the one we were in was full. People with shopping bags every where who had clearly spent a day at the shops. Any one who says people are afraid of the virus like Devi Shirda, is wrong. Clearly those people do not visit our city centres.

Today where I live, you couldn’t tell this is the first day of lockdown. There are people everywhere, mostly working, lots of construction workers about. Lots of traffic. I know of no one who is not going to carry on seeing friends and family in their homes and inviting people around to tea.

We are 55 million people in England we cannot be prevented from quiet disobedience. But we might need to do more than that. Reading below that the lockdown is likely to be extended beyond 2nd December then that must be the time people take to the streets in numbers. It has been mentioned this should be done outside the BBC in London and Salford. Saturday 5th December would likely be a good day for this depending on where things are up to.

My friends work in hospitals and they report what is happening is poorly people are admitted with none respiratory issues, all admissions have a PCR test and some come back positive. But these people never go on to develop COVID-19 but if they die because they are poorly their death is with Covid. Other patients get a coronavirus infection whilst an inpatient and many of these too do not go on to develop COVID-19. So we can see how admission figures creep up with asymptomatic positives. My guess is Carl Heneghan will continue to report on this but making young people stay out of pubs, restaurants and shops isn’t going to have an impact on these numbers.

230204 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to wendy, 2, #1178 of 2064 🔗

And there are far more false positives than those that are simply asymptomatic.

230275 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Rowan, 1, #1179 of 2064 🔗

Yes – the sources for error are legion. Note the insight in today’s edition that deals with the shambles of the environment in which pop-up PCR is conducted!

… And that’s before we get into the technical issues.

230334 ▶▶ Al T, replying to wendy, 1, #1180 of 2064 🔗

Brighton also packed last night. Barely got a table for dinner. Interesting the number of our older people out and about, drinking, eating, chatting and not hiding under the bed.

230170 Mad Hatter, replying to Mad Hatter, 11, #1181 of 2064 🔗

Could we not launch a publicly-funded action against this government for misfeasance in public office? It is my contention that they are knowingly acting against the best interests of the country.

230173 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Mad Hatter, 6, #1182 of 2064 🔗

Civil disobedience?

230174 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Mad Hatter, 2, #1183 of 2064 🔗

Perhaps we can contact the person who has suggested a class action in the articles Toby lists above. I think he wrote in the Daily Mail.

230180 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Mad Hatter, 9, #1184 of 2064 🔗

I think we need to take action agains individuals, rather than as a government, as they will simply use our money to pay off their wrong doing. If action is taken against individuals that person would be on trial, rather than their official role being on trial.

230217 ▶▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Dave #KBF, 5, #1185 of 2064 🔗

Start with Hancock, Whitty and Vallence.

230456 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Ozzie, #1186 of 2064 🔗

And BJ

230232 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Dave #KBF, #1187 of 2064 🔗

And remind everyone on every opportunity of their Common Law duty of care.

230337 ▶▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Rosie, #1188 of 2064 🔗

Common Law is the way forward

230935 ▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Dave #KBF, #1189 of 2064 🔗

Correct.

230186 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Mad Hatter, #1190 of 2064 🔗

Good Vibrations Extra – Michael O’Bernicia – Prosecutions of British MPs Update (4/11/20)

His website was attacked with 6m bots per hour

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e09xnUJfyQY&feature=youtu.be

230230 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Victoria, #1191 of 2064 🔗

I listened it this. He makes bold claims and I would love to see some armour being perieced. How much weight do you lend to his efforts? I am not putting it down, I can’t begin to have an opinion given the fact he is basing his work on the law as written in the 13th Century

230234 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Mad Hatter, #1192 of 2064 🔗
230246 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Basileus, #1193 of 2064 🔗

Great link thanks

230236 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Mad Hatter, #1194 of 2064 🔗

What we need is to find out who is doing what already, a nice neat summary. If anyone has one I’ll put it on my website and from there we can try to get coordination and momentum going, internationally

230529 ▶▶ dommo, replying to Mad Hatter, #1195 of 2064 🔗

no need for that – ask the police to arrest perpetrators and bring criminal charges for gross negligence manslaughter

230178 John Galt, replying to John Galt, 5, #1196 of 2064 🔗

Police arrest gym owner in Harlow, Essex this morning!

https://twitter.com/LFC_blano/status/1324360568547979265

Look at the amount of police…

230182 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to John Galt, 6, #1197 of 2064 🔗

Sorry but we can’t investigate the burglary at your house, not enough officers

230211 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to John Galt, 13, #1198 of 2064 🔗

Look at some of the comments:

I wish there was one yesterday, on main street ATM 3youths stole the card,of a lady while using the bank atm, they managed to get £500, they were hoodies!!! But no police man to be found!!!!!

Can you imagine if that many police offices actually turned up to real crime.

How many cops….. Bet there wasn’t this many looking for that rapist kidnapper the other day. Needed community to catch him. These cops must be well proud of themselves when going home. Spineless. We won’t forget cops.

Can’t be much real crime going on if 20 of the govs stasi can turn up an shut down and then arrest business owner.

How many plods does it take? So bold, so brave. Be lucky to get one if you’re mugged or burgled, it’ll be a crime report number.

230636 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Ozzie, #1199 of 2064 🔗

The commenter British Alba needs to change their avatar. This is not the comment of someone who is proud to be british:

People need to comply with the lockdown rules, even if they disagree with them.

Fucking idiot!

231252 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Ozzie, #1200 of 2064 🔗

Thats why they are known as the filth.

230215 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to John Galt, 12, #1201 of 2064 🔗

The rest were dragging 94year old grannies back to the death camps

230264 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to John Galt, 1, #1202 of 2064 🔗

I count 14 of the fascists bastards!

230278 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to John Galt, 3, #1203 of 2064 🔗

Horrifying, absolutely horrifying.

230328 ▶▶ Al T, replying to John Galt, 1, #1204 of 2064 🔗

The Einsatzgruppen of Covid Compliance. Doubt anyone’s seen that many Police in one place away from a canteen.

230333 ▶▶ Simon, replying to John Galt, #1205 of 2064 🔗

I’m not suggesting this at all, but what if people bought cheap mobiles for cash and called 999 saying there is an armed robbery taking place in xyz…. Would the police be tied up in knots trying to deal with things? Especially if there were other associated high profile crimes happening and being called in at the same time….

Seeing as the police are next to useless when dealing with a lot of real crimes (there are some great officers doing the right thing in some cases) would it matter if they were occupied with some false alarms?

230183 Lockdown_Lunacy, 22, #1206 of 2064 🔗

My wife just picked up our daughter from school. Talking to parents at the school, she said there was a mounting sense of anger and frustration that the furlough had been extended and what we all know that means. Most of these people have been very compliant so far.

230191 Eddy, replying to Eddy, 10, #1207 of 2064 🔗

Captain Tom is after another medal. This doesn’t help.

How long until the nation is pan banging again?

230196 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Eddy, 6, #1208 of 2064 🔗

Bold prediction – no widespread pan banging this time.

230310 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 4, #1209 of 2064 🔗

Can I go out and boo!

230711 ▶▶▶▶ DomW, replying to thinkaboutit, #1210 of 2064 🔗

Boo for Boris! But it shoud be every day until life goes back to normal

231255 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, #1211 of 2064 🔗

I shall bang my pan on the heads of those who are pan banging. I used to boo at the same time….really pisses the zealots off.

230208 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Eddy, 1, #1212 of 2064 🔗

Stomach churning platitudes.

230220 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Eddy, 6, #1213 of 2064 🔗

The BBC report on this was excruciating. The basically can’t wait to get back to the Tom updates and TikTok videos while we stay home, saving lives. These people have no soul

230259 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #1214 of 2064 🔗

Don’t forget the stories of the fallen and cringey celebrity endorsements.

230388 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1215 of 2064 🔗

Repeating all the bollocks will reinforce the mind control in the frightened people. Part of the technique.

230280 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Eddy, 1, #1216 of 2064 🔗

We need a secret signal to express disapproval of the NHS’s lockdown lies…

230411 ▶▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to OKUK, #1217 of 2064 🔗

Maybe a really slow and sarcastic clap.

230192 TJN, replying to TJN, 9, #1218 of 2064 🔗

That we should no longer refer to the Prime Minister as the matey ‘Boris’ has often been pointed out over the last few months.

In my letters to my MP nowadays I refer to him as simply ‘Liar Johnson’.

230202 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to TJN, 8, #1219 of 2064 🔗

I still prefer pig dictator

(it’s not copyrighted so you can use it if you want)

230237 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to TJN, 9, #1220 of 2064 🔗

Lying genocidal cunt suits me just fine.

230397 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Richard O, #1221 of 2064 🔗

Has a nice ring.

230442 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Richard O, #1222 of 2064 🔗

Not sure about the third word tbph. Quite like mine

230265 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to TJN, 1, #1223 of 2064 🔗

Rulespaffer

230195 JHuntz, replying to JHuntz, 18, #1224 of 2064 🔗

Anyone seen signs of a Pandemic? I’m still keeping an eye out but nothing yet…

230384 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to JHuntz, #1225 of 2064 🔗

The jackdaws near us look a bit peaky. Maybe it was something they ate ..

230421 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to JohnB, #1226 of 2064 🔗

Or someone.

230393 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to JHuntz, 2, #1227 of 2064 🔗

I’ve found a plandemic

230654 ▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to JHuntz, 2, #1228 of 2064 🔗

The Chinese are sorry for the confusion, they meant to say they have a new zoo exhibit called Panda Mik.

230199 John Galt, replying to John Galt, 6, #1229 of 2064 🔗

I’m putting together a list of draconian police videos. Here’s what I have so far. Any additional to add would be appreciated.

Police arrest gym owner in Harlow, Essex this morning!

https://twitter.com/LFC_blano/status/1324360568547979265

Hospital in England currently holding a new born baby ‘hostage’ unless the mother takes a Coronavirus test for her and her baby, mother and child are both fine with no symptoms.

https://twitter.com/BrettEverest/status/1324229485932273664

This is the moment a 73-year-old woman was arrested after taking her mum, 97, from a care home to look after her.

https://twitter.com/BBCLookNorth/status/1324356457152872448

Condescending policeman attempts to bully unmasked man

https://www.facebook.com/1535982816520396/videos/635010897168546/

Sergeant Robbie Jephcott 2343 goes off the rails in a shameful, ego fuelled display of aggression toward a driver who refuses to follow his unlawful demands.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOlcqA0eq3E

230372 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to John Galt, #1230 of 2064 🔗

Police arrest gym owner in Harlow, Essex this morning!

HOW many coppers ? Nigh on a full shift, one would think.

230380 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to John Galt, 3, #1231 of 2064 🔗

Sergeant Robbie Jephcott 2343 goes off the rails in a shameful, ego fuelled display of aggression toward a driver who refuses to follow his unlawful demands.

“You’re getting a ticket for something”. The guy will be on a disciplinary and will at the very least be “offered words of advice”.

A formal complaint needed. Compensation forthcoming. Surprised this guy made sergeant, tbh.

230455 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to John Galt, 2, #1232 of 2064 🔗

Mind if I nab these for a letter to the police federation to remind their members about Nuremberg principle IV.

230950 ▶▶▶ John Galt, replying to Awkward Git, #1233 of 2064 🔗

Of course. Let me know if you find any others.

230589 ▶▶ Mark, replying to John Galt, #1234 of 2064 🔗

That last one was a pretty embarrassing performance. Not covid related though – seemed to be a traffic stop for dvla compliance.

Reminded me of this beauty from Manchester in April:

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/lancashire-police-officer-who-threatened-18121548

230206 muzzle, replying to muzzle, 9, #1235 of 2064 🔗

Ew, another bullshit bingo phrase that makes me wince, “covid-secure”. Who thinks up this shit?

230239 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to muzzle, 10, #1236 of 2064 🔗

‘we understand peoples frustration’

Big puke for that one

230289 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1237 of 2064 🔗

Yeah. And I understand their frustrations too when they are on 100% pay, have a myriad of job opportunities in “consulting” have nice houses, kids in private school, private health care an investment portfolio and all the other trappings of the disadvantaged plebs like me.

230243 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to muzzle, 2, #1238 of 2064 🔗

Shits.

230273 ▶▶ Klein, replying to muzzle, 13, #1239 of 2064 🔗

The worst one is when whatever prick is imposing restrictions says that they do it “with a heavy heart”

oh fuck off

230287 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Klein, 8, #1240 of 2064 🔗

And when they say “it goes against everything I believe in as a …..”

So why you doing it then ? You betray your core principles then you are of no worth.

230306 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Klein, 7, #1241 of 2064 🔗

I think Mike Graham said something along the lines of “with a heavy heart and a full wallet” Sums it up for me.

230366 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Klein, 5, #1242 of 2064 🔗

“with a heavy heart”

My MP said that in her reply as to why she would vote Aye yesterday.

I doubt her heart is as heavy as the woman who had her baby stolen; or the 70 year-old arrested for springing her mum.

230284 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to muzzle, 8, #1243 of 2064 🔗

Covid Secure does not exist. I’ve very deliberately been pointing out all day how the only effective Risk Control measure that is defensible in law is nothing. You can’t control a virus and you can’t prove where you got it from outside the house, so it’s an imagined risk with no evidence. I am not saying it does not exist. What I am saying is that a way to control it, beyond the blindingly obvious does not exist.

230304 ▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Leemc23, 2, #1244 of 2064 🔗

Exactly. Unless someone infectious deliberately coughs in your face ( unlikely) there’s no way to tell where you picked up any virus.

230229 nickbowes, 10, #1245 of 2064 🔗

A recent funny tweet from the legend Ian Brown – he is one of us !

“Turns out this virus of mass destruction lives 3 feet off the ground! Best way to stay safe is to make like a snake! Straight down on your belly flickin your tongue in and out! Mandatory at the moment but its catchin on”

230238 BeBopRockSteady, 4, #1246 of 2064 🔗

Excellent podcast with Swedish A and E physician on the situation there. Lays all the anti Sweden rhetoric to bed.

https://adapnation.io/149-sweden-covid-sebastian/

230257 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 18, #1247 of 2064 🔗

The people have been conned once

My gut feeling is that they are not up for being conned again

Pigs cry wolf at their peril

230269 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Cecil B, 12, #1248 of 2064 🔗

Well exactly – what are we going to do when there’s another problem which is far more serious? Are people going to believe the (genuine) fearmongering next time?

230335 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Poppy, 6, #1249 of 2064 🔗

Do you know – I think that if this makes more people as sceptical, cynical, questioning and untrusting as we already were, that won’t be a bad thing really will it. The tide won’t have so far to turn the next time.

230356 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to CGL, 3, #1250 of 2064 🔗

Every experience is a learning experience …

230271 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Cecil B, 8, #1251 of 2064 🔗

Agree Cecil. I posited earlier that many of those in favour of national lockdown/circuit break in opinion polls are under the apprehension this is it. Final. Unlock after 2 December. I don’t think they are assuming either an extension or back into tiers again.

230298 ▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 5, #1252 of 2064 🔗

Sadly, I think they’ll be disappointed. Furlough has been extended until the end of March paving the way for lockdown 3, 4, 5………. ☹️

230276 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Cecil B, 11, #1253 of 2064 🔗

I think the US situation proves people are simply not as daft as the Social Media echo chambers would have us believe. I don’t see either US side right / wrong and don’t much care. But it’s heartening to see that people can see past some false flags.

As for lockdown. I’m sorry. Don’t see any difference today than I did yesterday except retail is being sacrificed for the good of the Tory party along with anyone who is collateral damage to this utter folly.

230266 Professor, replying to Professor, 10, #1254 of 2064 🔗

Today (5th November) the Welsh government published their FAQ on the more complete rules that will apply after the “firebreak”, from 9th November ( https://gov.wales/coronavirus-regulations-guidance ). For a flavour of how ‘Fortress Wales’ will now operate, the new restrictions that apply to travel for the whole of Wales are given below.

“I do not live in Wales, can I travel to Wales for a holiday or to visit family and friends?
In general, no. Travel in to Wales is not allowed without a reasonable excuse, for example travelling for work purposes. Visiting family and friends (other than as part of an extended household) or having a holiday is not currently considered a reasonable excuse”
“I live in Wales, can I go on holiday in Wales or the rest of the UK?
You are allowed to go on holiday within Wales if you live here, but not to enter Wales from elsewhere for that purpose. A holiday is not one of the permitted reasons to leave Wales under the Regulations, whether that is elsewhere in the UK or abroad.”
“Can I go on holiday abroad?
No. Travel abroad is only permitted for people with a reasonable excuse.”
“Can I visit friends and family outside Wales?
At the moment, because of the high levels of prevalence in Wales, you are not permitted to risk spreading the virus by leaving Wales without a reasonable excuse. Visiting friends and family socially is not a reasonable excuse.”

A welcome in the hillsides, this is not. And if you already live there, that is where you will stay until the Welsh government decides to let you out. As to when that might be, who knows?

230300 ▶▶ annie, replying to Professor, 20, #1255 of 2064 🔗

To all if which we say: Fuck off,

230355 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to annie, 6, #1256 of 2064 🔗

and don’t forget FUCK OFF !

230420 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to JohnB, 1, #1257 of 2064 🔗

Oh yeah, I forgot. As you say, FUCK OOOOOOOFFFFFF!

230326 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Professor, #1258 of 2064 🔗

Am I right in interpreting these rules to mean that Wales is refusing to accept refugees?

230351 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #1259 of 2064 🔗

Yrs.
Illegal immigrants, of course, are fine. Get yourself a dinghy.

230350 ▶▶ annie, replying to Professor, 12, #1260 of 2064 🔗

Quote:

“Most of the guidance set out above is not the law and so will not be enforced by the police.”

So fuck off, fuck off, fuck off snd we will do as we bloody well like. And PS. fuck off.

230509 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to annie, #1261 of 2064 🔗

Couldn’t have put it any better.

230491 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Professor, #1262 of 2064 🔗

I mean, who wrote this? Who can that sad person be?

230510 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Jo, #1263 of 2064 🔗

Having said that, have just had the best laugh in ages – read it out loud to my partner. Now literally crying with laughter. You have to read it out to get the full effect, with slightly more desperation in your voice with each subsequent question. Try it!

230601 ▶▶▶▶ Professor, replying to Jo, #1264 of 2064 🔗

Glad you had a laugh. How about these:

“Can I meet people I don’t live with in my garden?
Gardens are treated as part of the home. This is because in winter it is much more likely that people together in a garden will need or want to go indoors.”

I see they have been to Wales in winter then….

or:
“Will entertainment venues be open?
Theatres and concert halls, nightclubs and sexual entertainment venues are still required to be closed.”

Hmmm….

230268 Steeve, 2, #1265 of 2064 🔗

Day 1 – A slight thaw in Diktat compliance!

230270 AnotherSceptic, 3, #1266 of 2064 🔗

What a 2 faced cow!!

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-says-releasing-alex-22963036

I appreciate that it’s nothing to do with coronavirus, but it just shows what the little dictator can get away with if it’s not in her interests.

230272 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 10, #1267 of 2064 🔗

That green banner thing is effing annoying.

230292 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to OKUK, 4, #1268 of 2064 🔗

Just click on the X at the top right hand corner and it will disappear.

230302 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 3, #1269 of 2064 🔗

Thanks. 🙂

230293 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to OKUK, 2, #1270 of 2064 🔗

There’s a very carefully hidden little x at the top right to make it go.

230283 Fingerache Philip., 11, #1271 of 2064 🔗

I think that the ranks of the collaborators might be ever so slightly weakening.
A few weeks ago, I along with my younger son were semi shunned but the other night when my elder son and his partner scoffed at my anti lockdown badge, I said “We will be vindicated” I did detect a “weakening” and a “wavering “of their attitude.

230285 JohnB, replying to JohnB, 19, #1272 of 2064 🔗

Just had a phone call from our sweep’s wife, asking if we were happy for him to come and clean our chimney next week as booked.

Naturally, said we’d be happier if it were cheaper. 🙂 (Yes, I can be a pain in real life, as well as online).

Ha ha, she said, no, I meant about the lockdown. Yes fine, we’re all sceptics here. Everyone happy.

230340 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to JohnB, 4, #1273 of 2064 🔗

You got to ask, they may drop the price.

230344 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Awkward Git, #1274 of 2064 🔗

🙂

I’m going to watch him like a hawk, and do it myself next year. Only thing I haven’t got is an ash vacuum.

(Our top of the range Dyson (stupidly strong at sucking) has a big warning DO NOT USE FOR ASH. Progress, eh ?).

230352 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to JohnB, #1275 of 2064 🔗

Dyson are useless – they are crap at sucking up concrete dust from a new laid garage floor as well – I know from experience.

Apparently in that scenario the “never loses suction” and 3 year guarantee are null and void.

230922 ▶▶▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Awkward Git, #1276 of 2064 🔗

My son-in-law just lost his job as a roving engineer at Dyson, along with a few hundred others.

Their machines are so good that – until recently – they employed a team of engineers to go to people’s houses to repair them.

231222 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Awkward Git, #1277 of 2064 🔗

RTFM ? 🙂 🙂

(I only did once we’d got ours home.).

230486 ▶▶▶▶ Jo, replying to JohnB, 1, #1278 of 2064 🔗

Get a Henry

231224 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Jo, #1279 of 2064 🔗

My wife rates Henrys too, I think she was just dazzled by the sales photos …

230643 ▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to JohnB, #1280 of 2064 🔗

It’s actually allowed anyway. Feds can’t do nothing, I’d be more worried about the Karens.

230288 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 1, #1281 of 2064 🔗

But she will still press on with “full lockdown”

Nicola Sturgeon told MSPs in Holyrood that the R number in Scotland – the average number of people infected by each person with Covid-19 – was now “hovering around 1”.

The First Minister described that as being “clearly progress on the last couple of weeks”.

She added: “With some other indicators that does suggest that the tough measures that have been in place in recent weeks – and the compliance of the public with those measures – is starting to have an effect.”

Despite that, she stressed “we have to continue to be careful and cautious” as Scotland approaches its first review of the restrictions placed on different parts of the country, as part of the new five-tier approach.

230357 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to AnotherSceptic, 2, #1282 of 2064 🔗

Now that furlough has been extended to March, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if Krankie locks Scotland up again until the spring.

230391 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 1, #1283 of 2064 🔗

Of course she will and stop us travelling out of the country to Engerland

230417 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to stefarm, #1284 of 2064 🔗

Gott strafe Schotteland!

230406 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 2, #1285 of 2064 🔗

The devolved lockdowns will now be the strictest in the world – ‘close everything’. What conditions have been imposed to prevent a devolved ‘government’ spending unlimited amounts of other people’s money? I assume the answer is ‘none’.

230295 Will, replying to Will, 25, #1286 of 2064 🔗

I see deaths have dropped over 50% since yesterday. It is quite remarkable how so many more deaths seem to be reported on the days of votes in the House of Chimpanzees.

230299 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Will, 9, #1287 of 2064 🔗

That’s insulting to chimps 🙂

230301 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Julian, 3, #1288 of 2064 🔗

I nearly used another C word…

230303 ▶▶▶ Kev, replying to Julian, 1, #1289 of 2064 🔗

Cockroaches? Nah cockroaches have a purpose

230308 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Will, 6, #1290 of 2064 🔗

Pure coincidence of course

230432 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Will, 4, #1291 of 2064 🔗

Just the idea of lockdown reduces the death rate. The virus is running scared.

230494 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, #1292 of 2064 🔗

That made me laugh, cheers!

230682 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, #1293 of 2064 🔗

If we don’t laugh we’ll cry. Probably a bit of both is in order.

230719 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, #1294 of 2064 🔗

Absolutely. I’ve done both since March for the same reason.

230309 Ceriain, 4, #1295 of 2064 🔗

NickR has posted above/below a graph showing the Admissions figures in England for the last couple of weeks

It’s worth all LS members remembering that the ‘Admissions’ figure is fiddled (just like all the others).

I outed this scam back on October 14 (post is here):

https://lockdownsceptics.org/2020/10/14/latest-news-162/#comment-186272

Confirmed by Toby’s NHS Doctor contributor on 15 October here:

https://lockdownsceptics.org/2020/10/15/#how-many-hospital-cases-are-really-covid

Francis Hoar suggested it as something the Science Committee should have asked about when they met the Gruesome Twosome in Will piece above: What MPs Should Have Asked Whitty And Vallance (point number 2)
I believe Carl Heneghan and his people at CEBM are also looking into this.

Even the Conservative Woman site has finally caught up (round up above): https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/you-only-die-twice-how-the-virus-figures-are-fudged/

Edited to give credit to NickR for posting his graph earlier today; I should read the posts before posting.

230311 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 35, #1296 of 2064 🔗

Soon people who have nothing left to lose will start behaving like people who have nothing left to lose

230314 ▶▶ Will, replying to Cecil B, 7, #1297 of 2064 🔗

As long as the money tree keeps producing they won’t care….

230321 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Will, 14, #1298 of 2064 🔗

I’m not so sure. Some people are indeed very lazy and empty. However, some people need a PURPOSE in life. For them, free money forever just won’t do, they’ll go nuts.

230331 ▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Will, 9, #1299 of 2064 🔗

Bank of England created £150B from the magik money tree today.

Our dependents will be paying this back for the next 100 years.

230338 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Will, 2, #1300 of 2064 🔗

Philip Hammond ( blimey, how soon you forget) found one in Northern Ireland, I wonder if it’s still there?

230317 ▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to Cecil B, 7, #1301 of 2064 🔗

To quote Gerald Celente, “when people lose everything, they lose it.”

230330 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Cicatriz, 2, #1302 of 2064 🔗

Trudat

230327 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1303 of 2064 🔗

Well bring that on then!! Can’t wait.

230312 Will, 12, #1304 of 2064 🔗

A lot more open scepticism in the Telegraph including an excellent article about the Tory Socialist government.

230320 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 21, #1305 of 2064 🔗

The old Chinese saying:”May you live in interesting times”
Well, with the USA on the brink of a second civil war and Britain transformed into a police state, that’s interesting enough thank you very much!!

230325 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Fingerache Philip., 6, #1306 of 2064 🔗

Enough for 10 lifetimes yes!!

230348 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Fingerache Philip., 17, #1307 of 2064 🔗

You better believe it. This period is at least as significant (and deadly) as both WW1 and WW2 in terms of the transformation of global society.

230354 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Richard O, 5, #1308 of 2064 🔗

You are absolutely right, Richard.

230742 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Richard O, 1, #1309 of 2064 🔗

In some ways, worse. The wars were, basically, conflicts among interest groups competing for territory. What we have now is an all-out assault on the human spirit by the forces of utter evil – those that spare the body but kill the soul. You only have p to walk into a supermarket to see that the harvesting of dead souls is well underway.

230439 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #1310 of 2064 🔗

Usually seen as a curse, rather than a saying. 🙂

230336 Awkward Git, 6, #1311 of 2064 🔗

Just been chatting to these on in Poland.

He’s been abused in the street for not being masked up (not required on the street) and he says if the police and soldiers are not wearing one I’m not.

I asked him “was the person 60-70?”

He said “yes” so it’s the same scared sanctimonious wankers in Poland as here.

He’s also told me that the gastropub group where he used to work (they’ve still not remove him from the what’s app group) have sacked all hourly staff this morning, just these alarmed managers will be kept on.

No money to pay the employee and employer’s NI contributions, no money to pay the pension contributions, no money to pay sick or holiday pay, no point taking alone s no money to pay it back etc. so they’ve all lost their jobs.

So much for the extended furlough scheme then? How is that working out Rishi?

230339 OldBaldGamer, 16, #1312 of 2064 🔗

This only goes away is with violent revolution.

Sorry if that offends, It really is “them” vs “us”

I had to find my Balls, Luckily I did, Find yours now, Please

If this seems Bombastic, Jingoistic, Sure but this is a real live Takeover.

No second Chances

230359 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Eddy, 1, #1314 of 2064 🔗

The SRF & Billionaires do enjoy Their NUMBERS… they are always sending signals!

230342 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #1315 of 2064 🔗

That Irish GDP number! One MP stood up yesterday and made na excellent point that furlough or UBI or whatever is no replacement for the pride, sense of worth and respect one gets from simply having a job.

People will be so broken by the time a vaccine rolls around it’ll be easy to find guinea pigs

230358 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #1316 of 2064 🔗

Broken, think that was the plan, create enough chaos to break them

230360 ▶▶ DRW, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #1317 of 2064 🔗

Probably the plan all along.

230345 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 8, #1318 of 2064 🔗

Beware the Ides of March. March seems to be a key milestone. It is the new furlough date and if I remember rightly Boris also mentioned something a while ago about being able to relax social distancing in March. Statistically it’s an interesting time also because that’s when we can start to compare Covid deaths this year with same time last year (accepting that most are with not of). It will also coincide with the seasonal drop in respiratory infections, but whether zealot or sceptic the deaths in 2021 will be much fewer than the peak in 2020. The government will claim it as a success of lockdown even though we know otherwise. Either way what happens in that month policy-wise will set the tone for the future…if we make it to March.

230364 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Achilles, 8, #1319 of 2064 🔗

I agree March is huge. If the oppression carries on past then the population has to wake up.

230368 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to JHuntz, 10, #1320 of 2064 🔗

I am tired of holding onto that kind of hope.

230385 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 11, #1321 of 2064 🔗

Agree. The opposition are not going to spend the next 4 months just maintaining lockdown. It’ll be compulsory testing, forced vaccination, turning people and police against one another. Jail for challenging the lies. There is no time to waste.
Activism today!

230371 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to JHuntz, 7, #1322 of 2064 🔗

We have an extremely tough winter to negotiate first.

230390 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to JHuntz, 5, #1323 of 2064 🔗

It’s been said that “it can’t go on much longer” before. Yet it’s now going on for a whole year and counting, which much worse to come.

230404 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to DRW, 3, #1324 of 2064 🔗

We will outlast them nonetheless

230735 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Charlie Blue, #1325 of 2064 🔗

We will. Remember Wart and the hawks: The first law of the foot is ‘never let go’.

230800 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to annie, #1326 of 2064 🔗

Oh I loved that book. Thanks for reminding me of it. Perhaps I’ll read it again.
Is there any chance at all that if we close our eyes and intone ‘There is no boy,’ Boris will actually cease to be?

230515 ▶▶ dommo, replying to Achilles, 1, #1327 of 2064 🔗

any mileage in thinking that it may mark the end of a year long “live exercise”?

230569 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Achilles, 1, #1328 of 2064 🔗

I agree. I think the government just want to get through winter and avoid any potential ‘NHS OVERWHELMED’ PR disaster. Spring and summer will give them more breathing room.

230765 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Achilles, #1329 of 2064 🔗

We were supposed to be able to relax social distancing in time for Christmas…

230347 Awkward Git, 10, #1330 of 2064 🔗

Trying to negotiate some work today, hit and miss getting anyone as their office is sort of working, some working from home, some got remote phones and e-mail access working but some don’t, some shielding etc.

They’ve never heard of companies like Voipfone then? it’s easy, I’ve been doing ti for nearly 20 years and it’s getting better all the time.

Total shambles and no leadership from hate bosses.

One person told me they have been told to shield to stop the company being sued if they get covid as they would be liable for making them work and catching it on their premises.

Told them this was total bullshit, you cannot sue a company for catching a virus as you cannot prove you caught it on their premises blah blah blah unless they were a level 4 biolab that handled the virus etc

Posted them towards laworfiction and here for more info. – Hello if you start commenting.

They said “thanks for that, I’ll be in the office tomorrow”.

230363 Eddy, replying to Eddy, 5, #1331 of 2064 🔗

What do you think about people wearning a mask on their profile picture?

230365 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Eddy, 24, #1332 of 2064 🔗

DON’T GET ME STARTED!

230373 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Eddy, 13, #1333 of 2064 🔗

Generally I find them to be woke and often members of a polticial party.

230387 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #1334 of 2064 🔗

Actually I just think, no;I know that they are PATHETIC.

230374 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Eddy, 8, #1335 of 2064 🔗

Great, you know exactly who to ignore.

230375 ▶▶ EssieSW, replying to Eddy, 16, #1336 of 2064 🔗

They need to be punched in the throat

230435 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to EssieSW, 1, #1337 of 2064 🔗

, , , in public! – as my daughter used to say when she was very little. No idea where she heard it – wasn’t you was it?

230445 ▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to EssieSW, 3, #1338 of 2064 🔗

Aiming point for a baseball bat and stops blood ruining the finish of my Louisville slugger

230376 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Eddy, 3, #1339 of 2064 🔗

LOL

230378 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Eddy, 9, #1340 of 2064 🔗

Alternates between apathy (because they are absolutely nothing) and hatred (because they are our deadly enemy in the war for the future of humanity).

230389 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Eddy, 9, #1341 of 2064 🔗

First against the wall.

230395 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Eddy, 3, #1342 of 2064 🔗

I think I just had a fucking aneurysm.

230405 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Eddy, 5, #1343 of 2064 🔗

Thick as mince

230409 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Eddy, 11, #1344 of 2064 🔗

Virtue signalling arseholes.

230425 ▶▶ Sue, replying to Eddy, 2, #1345 of 2064 🔗

the words i’d use to describe them are not repeatable in public!!! Avoid at all costs!

230433 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Eddy, 2, #1346 of 2064 🔗

Mostly things that it wouldn’t be wise to post on the internet.

230451 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Eddy, 2, #1347 of 2064 🔗

I’m thinking: I wonder what negative health effects the mask is having…facial cysts, impetigo, pathogen build up, oxygen deprivation…

230556 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to OKUK, #1348 of 2064 🔗

Impetigo – yes
Oral thrush – yes
I would also suspect strep throat, gingivitis or dental caries, all of which if left untreated can cause heart infections.

230540 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Eddy, #1349 of 2064 🔗

Cancel them!

230697 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Eddy, #1350 of 2064 🔗

Hate it… virtue signalling..

231261 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Eddy, #1351 of 2064 🔗

It hides the fact that they are ugly.

230369 PoshPanic, 7, #1352 of 2064 🔗

David Paton calling out Witless and Unbalanced for not referencing and publishing their data..

https://twitter.com/cricketwyvern/status/1324369554336894981

230377 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 34, #1353 of 2064 🔗

I do admire people’s ability to adapt; in our high street there’s a sweet shop and I was walking past yesterday and the owner had put stalls of fruit and vegetables outside; strange, I thought but then “the penny dropped” and sure enough when I walked past today, this shop (selling essential items) was still open for business.

230401 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Fingerache Philip., 10, #1354 of 2064 🔗

Great little example of ingenuity!

230410 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Fingerache Philip., 8, #1355 of 2064 🔗

Do you think some business owners see an opportunity?

230428 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Fingerache Philip., 6, #1356 of 2064 🔗

Way to go ! Support that shop !

230431 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to JohnB, 6, #1357 of 2064 🔗

Better to support them than Tesco and Sainsburys!!!

230379 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 11, #1358 of 2064 🔗

It appears that the lockdown is not so much of a lockdown this time.

230561 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #1359 of 2064 🔗

….. major reason to close the remaining small businesses forever.

230382 DRW, replying to DRW, 11, #1360 of 2064 🔗

Positive news from The Spectator: France is revolting against Macron’s second lockdown: https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/france-to-the-barricades-

230726 ▶▶ annie, replying to DRW, 1, #1361 of 2064 🔗

And about time. The French invented revolutions; it’s time they had another one, and exported it as they attempted to do in the 1790s. The market wasn’t ready then. Now it is.

230774 ▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to annie, #1362 of 2064 🔗

In fact we invented it in the 1640s then it went to America then France and then the failed attempt in Ireland 1798 . We rose the first and should be justly proud the we were the first to kill a king .It’s just a shame Cromwell turned out to be a tyrant and betrayed the cause .

230396 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 9, #1363 of 2064 🔗

Fat Bast××d on tv,turned over to watch Pointless.

230400 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Fingerache Philip., 13, #1364 of 2064 🔗

So the same on both sides

230415 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #1365 of 2064 🔗

Both totally pointless anyway.

230416 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #1366 of 2064 🔗

Oh, I get you,now.

230717 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Dan Clarke, #1367 of 2064 🔗

Except that Pointless is quite fun.

230437 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Fingerache Philip., #1368 of 2064 🔗

Pointless means you win, so better call him Futile.

230507 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Fingerache Philip., #1369 of 2064 🔗

If you had carried on watching those two clowns that would have been Pointless.

230398 right2question, 7, #1370 of 2064 🔗

so furlough extended till march ! extending the buying of compliance

230399 cloud6, replying to cloud6, 17, #1371 of 2064 🔗

Joy, it’s been a normal day (on the roads), traffic everywhere, I thought I was dreaming but no it took me 45 minutes to get home (usually 20 minutes), they can’t all be essential journeys can they? LOL, LOL, LOL

230412 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to cloud6, 4, #1372 of 2064 🔗

Same around here!

230413 DJ Dod, replying to DJ Dod, 10, #1373 of 2064 🔗

I feel like we’re being held hostage.

They’ll let us out in March, but only if we agree that it was Covid that destroyed the economy.

A ‘killer virus’ did it and ran away…

230427 ▶▶ CGL, replying to DJ Dod, 5, #1374 of 2064 🔗

Yes – I feel like that too – it’s stifling. I’m pretty sure that is the intention now though.
I didn’t believe it before, but it gets harder to deny.

230414 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 1, #1375 of 2064 🔗

Sunak, a Quadroceptor, has extended the furlough/lockdown to March 31st.

This coincides neatly with the end of the Brexit Crashout Implementation Period; or killing two birds with one stone en route to the Wasteland.

Fortunately, Uniformed Lockdown Enforcement, previously known as the Constabulary, is on hand and in furious working order to keep us safe.

230418 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Stuart, 2, #1376 of 2064 🔗

Can we refer to him by his proper name (Aleister Crowley) from now on please?

230422 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Richard O, #1377 of 2064 🔗

Crowley, whatever his morals, wrote some excellent/exquisite stuff.

230475 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to JohnB, -1, #1378 of 2064 🔗

Crowley is a fascinating and important figure who has been airbrushed out of British history. Well worth studying.

231217 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Richard O, #1379 of 2064 🔗

Need to be careful though. Some of his material includes deliberately incorrect numbers of knocks, which could alter the intended outcome of a ritual.

I think it was a sort of weeding out the weak, and/or toughening up the strong, type of approach. Like some of the budo/zen masters, many of whom had quite fearsome reputations.

230911 ▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Stuart, 1, #1380 of 2064 🔗

Why is furlough extended until March when lockdown finishes on 2nd December?

Oh, wait . . .

231079 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Stuart, #1381 of 2064 🔗

Quadroceptor – I like it 🙂

230423 Jane G, replying to Jane G, 19, #1382 of 2064 🔗

Listening to the guff from BoJo and Stevens; it feels like I’m humouring someone talking about Santa Claus. They must know they’ve been rumbled? I’ve had visitors to my house today as usual – to hell with the ‘rules’ -and feel nothing but contempt for this shower talking about fantasy Covid cases and infections.

230429 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Jane G, 6, #1383 of 2064 🔗

Contempt is definitely the right word.

230500 ▶▶▶ dommo, replying to OKUK, 1, #1384 of 2064 🔗

really – not “hatred” or “homicidal rage”?

230713 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to dommo, 1, #1385 of 2064 🔗

All three, but ‘contempt’… conveys our sense of their utter worthlessness.

230434 TJN, replying to TJN, 11, #1386 of 2064 🔗

Don’t know if this topic has been posted yet (can’t keep up tight now).

My little girl started school in September, so she’s only been there a short time, and it’s still all very new to her. She has never talked much about school, but seems to like it. Thought it was a bit odd the last couple of days as she’s come out of school wearing her jumper and leggings, after the teachers must have put them on during the day (no way would she lets me put a jumper on her, unless she’s freezing).

Found out that they are doing the lessons with the windows open. Can you imagine sitting at home with all the windows open, in November? Probably wouldn’t be allowed at work.

So children aren’t really affected by covid, and don’t spread it, and thus pose or are at close to zero risk concerning covid. But they are supposed to sit around freeing all day to mitigate that non-existent risk.

Before I start making a fuss about it I want to get my background work done.

 Has anyone else on here come across this in their children’s schools?

I’ll look into HSE guidelines on office temperatures, and get on to UsForThem.

230444 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to TJN, 3, #1387 of 2064 🔗

I think it’s 16 degC.

I remember even back many, many, many years ago my schooldays the school having to close by law in the winter when the heating broke down and it was too cold.

230450 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #1388 of 2064 🔗

Rings a bell.

Weirdly, there is no maximum temperature at which offices must close.

230549 ▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to JohnB, 1, #1389 of 2064 🔗

IIRC There used to be a maximum before the Health and Safety at work act replaced the shop, offices etc Act and the Factories Act.

230481 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #1390 of 2064 🔗

Found this:

https://www.hse.gov.uk/temperature/law.htm

16 degC

Risk assessments needed as well.

This education union says 18 degC

https://neu.org.uk/advice/cold-weather-and-classroom-temperature-england

230718 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1391 of 2064 🔗

How the f are they supposed to be able to learn anything if they’re shivering! Honestly!

230750 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to CGL, #1392 of 2064 🔗

Quite.

230446 ▶▶ Jane G, replying to TJN, 2, #1393 of 2064 🔗

Fairly standard; a couple of months ago, some lessons would be outside at the Infants where I’m a governor. Parents are asked to make sure the children bring coats.
I teach music at home and in order to pacify the ISM did a risk assessment so I kind of feel obliged to teach with a window open. (Not very wide, though!)

230632 ▶▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Jane G, 1, #1394 of 2064 🔗

Interesting, I also do that and haven’t been badgered for any such thing. Of course in summer it can be quite pleasant to teach outside, especially as my neighbours were very complimentary.

On a related note, how are you interpreting the rules about teaching at home? They seem to suggest I would be allowed to go and work at other people’s homes, but I’m fearful of busybodies causing trouble.

230459 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to TJN, 3, #1396 of 2064 🔗

Heard the same thing with the secondary school here. There’s also the appalling requirement that if children have a games lesson, they have to attend school in their games kit.

230508 ▶▶ Lydia, replying to TJN, 1, #1397 of 2064 🔗

Windows aren’t open at my daughters primary school but I have heard reports from other parents on UsforThem.

230562 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to TJN, 2, #1398 of 2064 🔗

I used to attend very small school in the middle of nowhere on the coast. My classroom had a thermometer on the wall and I used to dread each winter because every morning it would read 13 degrees Celsius. It would rise to no higher than 17 degrees later in the day. It was utterly freezing. I feel for your daughter, what they’re doing to children is nothing short of abject cruelty.

230746 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Poppy, #1399 of 2064 🔗

That does sound very cold!

I don’t know what’s going on at my daughter’s school yet, so don’t want to jump to conclusions.

Thing is, my antennae are out for anything along these lines, and I’m probably already overly inclined to think the worst.

230627 ▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to TJN, 1, #1400 of 2064 🔗

Yep, ‘ventilation fetishism’ has been our orders too, it’s official ‘guidance’. Some rooms have ‘safety’ windows that barely open at all, so not too bad there, but others we’re expected to have doors wide open (even though propping fire doors open is apparently illegal too, but Kafka is par for the course in all this lunacy). I can usually get away with making a minimal token effort if nobody is checking up, but the orders in the Friday Doom email suggest with a totally straight face ‘warm clothing’. I’m no wuss – happily cycle and run in near-zero temperatures – but consider it more of a hazard for my students to be damaging their hands and general health with this stupid idea.

Craziest of all was a web seminar on ventilation I could have watched last week. Not kidding.

230731 ▶▶ TJN, replying to TJN, #1401 of 2064 🔗

Thanks for everyone’s replies – I’ll digest properly later, and get a proper understanding of what’s going on to see where I take this.

And so I spend my time …

230440 Steeve, replying to Steeve, 7, #1402 of 2064 🔗

I am quite encouraged by the accounts from our reporters working around the country on day 1 of Lockdown!

230447 ▶▶ Sceptic in Oxford, replying to Steeve, 11, #1403 of 2064 🔗

Me too. This morning I was so down. Then went out this afternoon – delighted by all of the “essential” shops open! Very resourceful!

230453 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 19, #1404 of 2064 🔗

Don’t know if this has been posted

Whitty and Vallance ‘dodgy dossier’

Comments 100% sceptic

On the BBC FFS!!!!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54831334

Second lockdown about to explode in their face?

230466 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1405 of 2064 🔗

The BBC love a lockdown but also love a Tory crisis, especially one they can associate with s Brexit crisis.

230485 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1406 of 2064 🔗

Pretty damning and something that can be used time and again.,.

230487 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Cecil B, #1407 of 2064 🔗

I’d like to think so but the vast majority of MPs are still useless,

230618 ▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1408 of 2064 🔗

Still propaganda in the first graph though, all the scary overblown spikes are in bright colours, where as the ‘reasonable’ prediction is in black.

Also, got to love ‘How to exercise safely outdoors’. I’d suggest: 1. tie your shoelaces 2. look before crossing the road and 3. avoid any dodgy characters after dark should cover it.

230752 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Lyra Silvertongue, 2, #1409 of 2064 🔗

Why do we have to be told how to do absolutely everything safely these days? It’s like the UK has turned into one big primary school…

230708 ▶▶ annie, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1410 of 2064 🔗

Nice to see the phalanx of well-upticked critical comments. One pointed out that the Beeb uncritically splashed the same lies all over our screens.

230454 alw, replying to alw, 10, #1411 of 2064 🔗

Students being held hostage in Manchester. Disgraceful.
“This appears to be the serious criminal offence of false imprisonment. @gmpolice must investigate. If these students are being locked in their Hall or restricted from leaving, they must require these…”

A thread from @Francis_Hoar
https://threader.app/thread/1324387173920104448

230472 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to alw, 3, #1412 of 2064 🔗

Yeah, let’s continue to blame the young and treat them like criminals. Unreal

230621 ▶▶ Jo, replying to alw, 1, #1413 of 2064 🔗

That is truly shocking. I hope someone locally can help. They need to be told their rights

230457 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 12, #1414 of 2064 🔗

Walked down to the beach today. Hazard tape which was blocking the entrances had been torn in a few places. The remaining tape ended up in one of the bins.

230611 ▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to PoshPanic, #1415 of 2064 🔗

Beaches aren’t even required to close…wtf?

230458 VickyA, 8, #1416 of 2064 🔗

Out for a stroll on a nearby beach in the West Country this afternoon after a short drive to get there. Roads busier than last lockdown. Did not see one mask unlike last week which was 50% masked. A stranger smiled and I smiled back. That used to be normal, but so much more appreciated today. First day of lockdown, my ass!

230461 cerati, replying to cerati, 77, #1417 of 2064 🔗

My wife has had enough. She says than when lockdown is lifted on 2nd December she is commencing running our gastropub with zero restrictions. Anyone of any number can come in and any relationship. She no longer recognises their authority. She will not capitulate to their unlawful demands. She will reject all the fines they hand out and ignore every single one of them.

We will no longer be ruled. We have a right to run our business and the government can simply go and f*** themselves.

Although I was not expecting this, I 100% support her. I will no longer comply in any way.

230467 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to cerati, 9, #1418 of 2064 🔗

Go the whole hog, open now,

They few We are many

230471 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 11, #1419 of 2064 🔗

If everyone does it there is nothing they can do

230482 ▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 10, #1420 of 2064 🔗

Get on twitter get on facebook, rally the troops, they will come

We have had enough

230502 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Cecil B, 6, #1421 of 2064 🔗

Totally agree the revolution starts small and builds.

230468 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to cerati, 15, #1422 of 2064 🔗

Sounds good.

I’d visit anywhere like that if it was close to me just for the hell of it.

230469 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to cerati, 16, #1423 of 2064 🔗

Good news, but you might like to inform her politely that lockdown will not be lifted on 2nd December.

If she no longer recognises the authority of the government, then I suggest she reopens the business tomorrow . 2nd December may be too late. There could be army on the streets by then.

230506 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Richard O, 5, #1424 of 2064 🔗

those in Liverpool and Manchester will go back to their respective level -so no let up there.

230608 ▶▶▶ cerati, replying to Richard O, 5, #1425 of 2064 🔗

I’m aware this is highly possible. Regardless, that’s the date we open back up, come what may. Let them come and try to close us down.

We are based in Southport.

230539 ▶▶ dickyboy, replying to cerati, 4, #1426 of 2064 🔗

If you could share where you are somehow (guess not possible?) I would be there like a shot on your opening night. Don’t care where you are as long as not wales. I’m never goung there again.

230590 ▶▶ Simon, replying to cerati, 2, #1427 of 2064 🔗

Where are you, I’m there :>)

I don’t mind having to share a seat if it’s too busy.

230609 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to cerati, 5, #1428 of 2064 🔗

Good for you. Quite inspirational actually. When you open, post where you are and I’ll try to come for a meal.

230610 ▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to cerati, 1, #1429 of 2064 🔗

The millionaires will never appreciate until it’s too late that the threat of legal sanctions doesn’t hold much truck with people who have already been hit hard and stand to lose what little remains. It’s the same lack of awareness that doesn’t appreciate that if you carpet-bomb a country and install a puppet regime in order to steal their resources, some people will probably get angry enough to try and bomb you back.

230653 ▶▶ Caramel, replying to cerati, 2, #1430 of 2064 🔗

Where’s the pub, some of us might want to support you too.

230677 ▶▶ annie, replying to cerati, 2, #1431 of 2064 🔗

The cheers for your excellent wife should, as they say, make the welkin ring.

230781 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to cerati, 2, #1432 of 2064 🔗

I would go to any restaurant that offered Normal, several times a week. It would be a political act! Best of luck to you.

230900 ▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to cerati, 1, #1433 of 2064 🔗

Yes, open up now. Tell us where you are and I’ll be there!!

230462 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 19, #1434 of 2064 🔗

I see the BBC Reality Check nutjobs are claiming there is no evidence that mask wearing carries any risk of negative health effects. So that’s a lie then.

230477 ▶▶ Alan P, replying to OKUK, 9, #1435 of 2064 🔗

Sure as hell aren’t any positive health effects!

230489 ▶▶ RickH, replying to OKUK, 6, #1436 of 2064 🔗

That’s bollocks even at the very lowest level – my glasses steam up. It also pisses me off and raises blood pressure – before we get to hypercapnia and hypoxia effects.

I bet they’re not as keen to state that there’s no evidence of any positive effects (a real fact).

230536 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to RickH, 2, #1437 of 2064 🔗

That makes you exempt.

230805 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to RickH, 1, #1438 of 2064 🔗

And inhalation of mask fibres into the lungs, potentially causing lethal long-term damage, i.e. Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease. Unlike
CV19, there’s no treatment or recovery.

230490 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to OKUK, 1, #1439 of 2064 🔗

anyone can self exempt themselves.

230501 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to OKUK, 6, #1440 of 2064 🔗

Tell that to anyone with bacterial pneumonia from persistent mask wearing.

If it’s on BBC Reality Check then this is absolute confirmation that their claims are false.

These pricks will not let go of their precious gimps masks until enough people have ripped them off for good. The regulations will never be relaxed (indeed they will only ever be extended), so this is the only solution.

230463 Aslangeo, replying to Aslangeo, 12, #1441 of 2064 🔗

Excellent Article by Fraser Myers on Spiked – https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/11/05/this-destructive-lockdown-experiment-must-end/

Logical, sensible and measured – unfortunately the bozos who believe the mainstream media will almost certainly never bother looking for it

Has my country been taken over by a brainwashed cult? – are we the only sane people around?

more concerningly U Herd – normally a place of relative sanity has published an article called The trouble with Covid denialism – Anybody that calls a person with different views a denier needs to be dismissed – accusations of “denialism” are the first and last refuge of authoritarians who are incapable of debate or rational thought

230512 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Aslangeo, 5, #1442 of 2064 🔗

Anyone who resorts to labels like denier, conspiracy theorist you can get on the front foot with straight away as they have admitted their argument is weak

230596 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Julian, 5, #1443 of 2064 🔗

I dunno, I had to resort to calling someone an immune system denier this week when he claimed everyone in the UK would get it and 650k would die.

230796 ▶▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to leggy, #1444 of 2064 🔗

That’s a good one. Using the usual stock insult against them.

230792 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Aslangeo, #1445 of 2064 🔗

Actually, calling someone a denier is particularly loathsome, as it’s deliberately linking that person to Holocaust denial, and sympathy to Nazism.

230473 Steeve, 2, #1446 of 2064 🔗

Shall I put the kettle on? Day one 1

230479 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1447 of 2064 🔗

Clown show’s over. Anything new?

230493 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1448 of 2064 🔗

New clown, same jokes

230484 Steeve, replying to Steeve, 6, #1449 of 2064 🔗

Social distanced fireworks have started!

230497 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Steeve, 5, #1450 of 2064 🔗

Same here – lots of fireworks – hope people are having some good parties.

230505 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Ozzie, 4, #1451 of 2064 🔗

Here too

230566 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Steeve, 2, #1452 of 2064 🔗

I started this morning … 🙁

230496 Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 2, #1453 of 2064 🔗

Just came across this Twitter feed – interesting posts on it:

https://twitter.com/MinistryDissent

230513 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 5, #1454 of 2064 🔗

Look at the video about 6 hours ago:

“Cornish Nurse, Shelley Tasker. Thank you for speaking out. We are being lied to. Why?”

She has resigned after taking a screen shot showing how few COVID patients in a Cornish Hospital.

Well worth a 2 minute look

230538 ▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Ozzie, #1455 of 2064 🔗

The comment section is ripping her apart, calling her an anti-masker, liar, she’s only a cleaner, what does she know …etc.

230597 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Ozzie, 1, #1456 of 2064 🔗

The video has gone from twitter and the fb link says False Information.
They really don’t want it going around do they!!!!

230652 ▶▶▶ bucky99, replying to Ozzie, #1457 of 2064 🔗

Reported in the Mail too.

230693 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to Ozzie, #1458 of 2064 🔗

looked at the vid of the ‘gym owner ‘being arrested’ I checked the regulations and the workd arrest does not feature once in them so she could not be arrested as she has not committed an arrestable offence. Get the guide on your phones so you can always have it handy in case of problems

230499 Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 4, #1459 of 2064 🔗

Another report. Just popped to the airport to do something work related. Quite busy all things considered. Not everyone dressed for business.

230535 ▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 4, #1460 of 2064 🔗

I checked flight activity out of Heathrow and flights going out to all countries around the world, from Europe, the States, Midfle East, India. Was out today doing errands in a couple of towns, roads reasonably busy, certainly no signs of lockdown in this part of Suffolk.

230511 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 1, #1461 of 2064 🔗

Quote from Sir Simon Stevens: “One small silver lining of the commitment and sacrifice of NHS staff [during Covid] is they have inspired a new generation of young people to become nurses, doctors and therapists of the future.”

230516 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to p02099003, 9, #1462 of 2064 🔗

Whoever this prick is, he is living in an alternate reality that is so false it simply cannot be sustained.

Whatever the outcome of this, the NHS is finished. In every conceivable scenario.

230521 ▶▶ JME, replying to p02099003, 3, #1463 of 2064 🔗

Won’t be any other jobs left (except maybe MPs)

230532 ▶▶ DRW, replying to p02099003, 4, #1464 of 2064 🔗

Their legacy of dancing shall certainly be remembered.

230575 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to p02099003, 2, #1465 of 2064 🔗

therapists of the future, its a funny word, therapists if you look quickly …….

230676 ▶▶ annie, replying to p02099003, #1466 of 2064 🔗

Or, in the case of Dungford’s sprog, the rapists of the present.

230710 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to p02099003, #1467 of 2064 🔗

How does he know that?!

230514 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 3, #1468 of 2064 🔗

From the press conference: “Next up, a reporter asks about a letter from the UK Statistics Authority which questioned the data presented to the public, saying it had the potential to confuse people.
The PM says the government is “trying to make things as clear as we possibly can”.
He admits that projections “vary widely” and scientists can disagree, so it is up to government to make “political judgements”.
Johnson says it is “very, very tough to make exactly the right call” but some of the data, such as the number of deaths, was “irrefutable”.
He adds: “I can’t quarrel with those data and we have to act on those data.””

230518 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to p02099003, 1, #1469 of 2064 🔗

Apart from that the deaths are basically recorded by using a test that his own government says can’t be used as the basis of a medical diagnosis of a patient?

230522 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to p02099003, 3, #1470 of 2064 🔗

“those data”? Is that a phrase that dataologists use or a Boris nappy-head neologism?

230523 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1471 of 2064 🔗

“These data”, I think.

230845 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to p02099003, 1, #1472 of 2064 🔗

Everything they say reeks of BS. Anyone who’s ever had to word an awkward letter, or sell something they weren’t sure of, etc. etc. knows instinctively how to spin words so that they sound plausible but are in fact meaningless and commitment-less. And every person listening instinctively knows it’s complete sh*t! Who do they think they are kidding?

230760 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Awkward Git, #1475 of 2064 🔗

That link doesn’t work.
I can’t see Trump doing that as it would set a bad precedent.

A better move would be having Biden charged with money laundering, or possibly acting as a foreign agent under the Logan Act, the one used against General Flynn.

230519 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 6, #1476 of 2064 🔗

Why has Fishi got his own logo?

230537 ▶▶ DRW, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #1477 of 2064 🔗

Looks as if it’s missing “For Leader”

230550 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #1478 of 2064 🔗

Yes – the DT had a short article wondering the same thing – he has acquired the Conservative part logo.

230564 ▶▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 2, #1479 of 2064 🔗

DT reports:

As sure as night follows day, the latest iteration of Rishi Sunak’s winter economy plan has been accompanied by a shiny new social media post – and he has unveiled some new branding.

Whereas other posts have included his signature – a signature signature if you will – today’s has seen him co-opt the Conservative logo as his own.

To give people across the UK certainty over the winter, I can announce today that the furlough scheme will not be extended for one month – it will be extended until the end of March.

Employees will receive 80% of their usual salary for hours not worked, up to £2,500 a month. pic.twitter.com/WtTqOcR61a

— Rishi Sunak (@RishiSunak) November 5, 2020

The party takeover – on social media at least – is complete.

230707 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ozzie, #1480 of 2064 🔗

In a deadly pandemic, nothing is more essential than a brand spanking new logo.

230525 DJ Dod, replying to DJ Dod, 6, #1481 of 2064 🔗

The Guardian letting their authoritarian side show again:

‘Success in controlling Covid-19 relies on public compliance’

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/04/the-guardian-view-on-tory-lockdown-sceptics-a-dangerous-trend

230528 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to DJ Dod, 5, #1482 of 2064 🔗

More free publicity for this website.

230546 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to DJ Dod, 8, #1483 of 2064 🔗

The interesting thing is compliance – everybody I have seen today has been complying with the letter of the law, but are using the exceptions to their advantage (ie. travelling to work because they don’t want to stay home) – people are carrying on as usual – the rebellion is starting through small actions of the populous.

230580 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to DJ Dod, 3, #1484 of 2064 🔗

Bloody hell – the comments are distressing!

230583 ▶▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 2, #1485 of 2064 🔗

Are these all the people happy for some more free money and time to watch Netflix?

230591 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to DJ Dod, 2, #1486 of 2064 🔗

It isn’t compliance that they should be looking for but concordance. I was told in my nurse training that we should strive for a concordant relationship with patients, so that the patient feels part of the process. That means having to explain the pros and cons of a treatment regimen and letting the patient decide whether they agree or not.

230602 ▶▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to p02099003, 1, #1487 of 2064 🔗

Damn. That is so far above the crude way our so-called democratic rulers wield their power it’s practically on another planet.

230663 ▶▶ annie, replying to DJ Dod, 1, #1488 of 2064 🔗

It’s looking-glass land out there in the Grauniad. Gilbert’s Topsy-Turvey, where nice is nasty, nasty nice, where vice is virtue, virtue vice.

230704 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to DJ Dod, #1489 of 2064 🔗

I wish they would just shut the frick up.

230753 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to DJ Dod, 1, #1490 of 2064 🔗

The Guardian supporting a Tory government.
That’s certainly a turnabout.

231052 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Lms23, 1, #1491 of 2064 🔗

What I think is that they have totally bought into being part of the Government Propaganda Machine. The level of dissent is going up, up and up, the establishment narrative is breaking down now and quite fast as well. The Government need to wheel out their establishment press to put the responsibility back on the people because they cannot as this is all due to mass hysteria, propaganda and fake news and totally fabricated statistics and the draconian censorship of any dissenting medical opinions.

The damn is breaching.

231046 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to DJ Dod, #1492 of 2064 🔗

I am utterly sick of that narrative. The problem is that the Sheeples have been too compliant. Guardian would do better to seriously question the ‘dodgy dossier’ of witless and unbalanced.

230530 Sceptic in Oxford, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 52, #1493 of 2064 🔗

Report from afternoon reccy: the British public are voting with their feet for the Great Barrington Declaration. Busy roads, businesses open, lots of people out and about. Basically, we’ve had enough of this BS.

Johnson and his muppets are losing control. They know it; hence today’s briefing and dialing up the radio ads telling us off/about new restrictions.

They are losing the will of the people and of the party.

About f**king time.

230560 ▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 9, #1494 of 2064 🔗

I concur. Roads a little quieter, but plenty of people out doing what look like good normal activities. I might have witnessed some law-breaking by kids gathering in local park but not sure. I’ve been alive long enough to know that a blaze of propaganda warning of punishment is a pretty sure sign they know they have little ability to enforce things.

230629 ▶▶▶ Sceptic in Oxford, replying to Lyra Silvertongue, 4, #1495 of 2064 🔗

At the end of all this I want someone to work out how much “protecting the NHS” has cost: cost of furlough, job support schemes, bankruptcies, tax loss from people out of work, unemployment benefit, rate support etc. etc. etc.

Appalling.

230705 ▶▶ guy153, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 4, #1496 of 2064 🔗

Same here near Cambridge. I went for a bike ride and there was a completely normal amount of traffic around. Nothing like the first lockdown when it felt like somebody had dropped a neutron bomb.

230533 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 21, #1497 of 2064 🔗

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.11.03.367375v1 Immunodominant T-cell epitopes from the SARS-CoV-2 spike antigen reveal robust pre-existing T-cell immunity in unexposed individuals

Huge preprint claim:

 “However, our findings raise the expectation that a significant majority of the global population is likely to have SARS-CoV-2 reactive T-cells because of prior exposure to flu and CMV viruses, in addition to common cold-causing coronaviruses”

230701 ▶▶ guy153, replying to swedenborg, #1498 of 2064 🔗

Very interesting finding that you can have T-cells that recognize common features between SARS2 and other viruses that aren’t even coronaviruses. I wonder which parts those are.

It may be that the spike is the best antibody target (because you can actually disable the virus just by the antibodies getting in the way of the spike) but that much more subtle internal features that are common to more viruses make better killer T cell targets.

230807 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to guy153, #1499 of 2064 🔗

T-cells are found in the lymph system. They are in a dormant state. They have to be switched on. The cells that do this are dendritic cells. These exist in two states, immature and mature. Dendritic cells are found all over the body but only in small numbers in each place, thos in the skin are immature and can only weakly trigger an immune response, those found in the spleen however are mature and can trigger a strong immune response. However, immature does not mean inactive. These immature cells have multiple pattern recognition receptors on their surfaces. These pattern receptors sense the presence of and capture bacteria or viral particles or infected dead cells. The immature dendritic cell detects an invading germ, engulfs and destroys it. It then changes from an immature cell to a mature cell.
The mature cell then leaves the tissue where it found the germ into the lymph system, Multiple T-cells are presented with the fragments of the invading germ by the dendritic cell using the protrusions on its body. T cells have random shaped receptors, and if a particular set of T cells have the right receptor then those cells start to multiply 100 or 1000 fold in the lymph nodes (which is why the neck nodes start to swell). The killer T cells then move out to the site of infection and start destroying the infected cells. Helper T cells then trigger other immune responses. (Davis 2018)

If the SARS-COV-2 virus has any part of it that is common with other viruses then the T-cells that have responded before will be re-triggered. This would definitely suggest that there is nothing novel about this particular virus.

Davis D/M. (2018) “The Beautiful Cure:The New Science of Human Health”

230541 Ozzie, 12, #1500 of 2064 🔗

Just spoke to my daughter – she lives in a northern city and works in a pub. They have held a face to face meeting today and have put all staff on furlough (as would be expected). They have asked staff to go in to work over the next few weeks for training – no staying home for staff members. This excellent use of furlough money and is metaphorically “one in the eye” for the government diktats – using their cr*p legislation against them.

230543 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 12, #1501 of 2064 🔗

Livestream for tonight’s million mask march in Trafalgar Square. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4ocPPaK2cw

230548 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Londo Mollari, 9, #1502 of 2064 🔗

This is encouraging!!!!

Comon the lads!!

230558 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Two-Six, 4, #1503 of 2064 🔗

Bloody hell watch now

230737 ▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Rosie, #1504 of 2064 🔗

Who would have credited this at the start of the year…?
This coup by the State has been a decade in the planning.
But it’s beginning to unravel.

230565 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 5, #1505 of 2064 🔗

Good how they gave the cops the slip!!! haha

230571 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Two-Six, 5, #1506 of 2064 🔗

they are getting the message across. No Signs to give the MSM ammunition, just chants of “no more lockdown”

230759 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Two-Six, #1507 of 2064 🔗

All I can see just now is a load of masked cops..

I thought lockdown was to come into force at midnight tonight? Or was it midnight last night…

230552 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #1508 of 2064 🔗

Oh dear, I thought that was tomorrow and was all psyched up to go tomorrow 🙁

230555 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Rosie, 4, #1509 of 2064 🔗

So did the police I presume, hence the sudden switch to this evening.

230568 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Richard O, 3, #1510 of 2064 🔗

Oh thanks

230545 Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Lyra Silvertongue, 10, #1511 of 2064 🔗

My genius council decided to install a gate to the main park which could be opened wide, but instead is locked into a position which forces everyone into using narrow gaps on each side, then fixed a notice about (anti)social pissdancing to it. Couldn’t make it up.

230547 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Lyra Silvertongue, 6, #1512 of 2064 🔗

Unfix that notice. You know it makes sense ! 🙂

230599 ▶▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to JohnB, 3, #1513 of 2064 🔗

All I’m saying is that I choose my usernames carefully…

230551 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 6, #1514 of 2064 🔗

https://twitter.com/Covid19Crusher/status/1324375934389145600 “The Armenian government has just confirmed its opposition to a new lockdown despite to the seasonal surge in cases. It might be a good candidate for the first seasonal pandemic rollover in the Northern hemisphere
UK could have folloed that road

230559 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 5, #1515 of 2064 🔗

https://twitter.com/Covid19Crusher/status/1324291315467800576/photo/1
 “The UK has entered a 4-week lockdown at midnight. Given that daily cases are already stabilizing, isn’t that entirely pointless?

230586 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to swedenborg, #1516 of 2064 🔗

lockdowns are GOOD to cull more slaves…

230584 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 1, #1518 of 2064 🔗

We already have cocaine (and other party drugs), female hormones(due to pills), antibiotics and so many other FUN stuff in wastewater that I don’t see any problem with having “fragments” of Mythical RNA “SARS-CoV-2”!

230649 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 2, #1519 of 2064 🔗

I find it incredibly frustrating how all these papers and studies emerge, breaking the narrative, only to go nowhere. A tweet or two, some shares and discussion on someone’s social media and its gone.

What are they doing these studies for if theyhace zero impact

230991 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to BeBopRockSteady, -1, #1520 of 2064 🔗

Only when steel papers start to emerge things will CHANGE!

230655 ▶▶ annie, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 1, #1521 of 2064 🔗

Scots, rejoice, a wee test and it’s all o er

230554 Winter, replying to Winter, 7, #1522 of 2064 🔗

Well I never. My cat has sneezed. He clearly has a rabid case of Covid and has decided to self isolate on my lap. As a concerned citizen I will, of course, immediately send for tests for myself, my other cat, and my dog. It seems only right. Because said cat is a Siamese, his face marking is described as a mask. What!? (I hear you cry) Masks don’t work?!!! Clearly not….

230743 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Winter, #1523 of 2064 🔗

My Siamese has been sneezing too. Just once or twice a day, maybe, but obvs she’s got the virus….not.

230567 Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 8, #1524 of 2064 🔗

So tomorrow I’m due to fly out to Sweden. I’ve no concerns about being able to get on the outbound flight and get there.

I’m due to return on Sunday. The thing I am concerned about is being able to get on that flight. We plan to travel using airline staff concessionary travel, and rely on there being an empty seat available in order to get on the flight. If the airlines suddenly cancel flights for next week, my return flight could be inundated, and I’ll end up spending a potentially ruinous fortune on hotels until I can get back. My wife is nervous but I’m saying we should go.

So fellow sceptics, should we grow a pair and go, or be cautious and stay in prison UK? what would you do?

230572 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 1, #1525 of 2064 🔗

hurdy gurdy

230574 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 2, #1526 of 2064 🔗

Couldn’t you try a ferry if that happened?

230595 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to DRW, 1, #1527 of 2064 🔗

The thought has crossed my mind. I’ll let my wife know and try to reassure her!

230579 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 2, #1528 of 2064 🔗

There are trains, I doubt they will cancel them too.

We went a few weeks ago and it was wonderful, though in some ways it made things here feel worse.

230592 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Julian, #1529 of 2064 🔗

That would be an amazing train journey to take. I shall relay this to my wife!

Understand the making things feel worse issue. Had the same problem after returning from the Czech Republic in the summer (before they went crazy).

230582 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 2, #1530 of 2064 🔗

I understand you wanting to use the staff concession but would you book a full price seat to ensure you get the flight? It would work out cheaper than an indefinite hotel stay. Good luck and have a great time.

230598 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, #1531 of 2064 🔗

I’d probably be willing to pay full fare for a couple of days of sanity, but the cost is just unjustifiable at the moment because both mine and my wife’s jobs are far from secure.

230605 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 1, #1532 of 2064 🔗

I got back on Tuesday – go for it!

230607 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, #1533 of 2064 🔗

Have Sweden & Germany just been taken out of the travel corridor?

230616 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Dave #KBF, #1534 of 2064 🔗

Just seen. That scuppers the lot then as my 4 year old daughter will tell everyone at school where we’ve been.

230648 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 2, #1535 of 2064 🔗

Just tell your daughter that you are flying to Skegness.

When you get back she can teel everybody about the Abba museum in Skegness and abour the funny English they speak there.

230619 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Dave #KBF, #1536 of 2064 🔗

They will be removed from the corridor on Saturday.

230751 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Mabel Cow, #1537 of 2064 🔗

So if I come over at Christmas I will basically be imprisoned in my mum’s house for the entire time I am there 🙁

230638 ▶▶ Caramel, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 4, #1538 of 2064 🔗

Mad jealous. I live in Victoria and not permitted to go beyond 25km (increased from 5km) let alone leave the bloody country.

230669 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Caramel, 1, #1539 of 2064 🔗

It’s a disgrace what they’re doing in Victoria. I never thought the public would stand for it in Australia. Then again, I never thought they would stand for it here either.

230756 ▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, #1540 of 2064 🔗

Take a large tent and a woodstove.

230587 Richard O, replying to Richard O, 42, #1541 of 2064 🔗

Judging by the reports on here (thanks to all of you again for your invaluable first-hand contributions) there is certainly a difference between this lockdown and the first.

In order to enforce it, the state will have to ramp up its oppression and lying. The more they do this, the more people will get fed up with it. This in turn will lead to more people beginning to see this shitshow for what it really is.

Every day is critical. We are on a knife edge of historical importance here.

230634 ▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to Richard O, 11, #1542 of 2064 🔗

This almost counts as optimistic by your standards Richard!

Genuinely, and despite everything, I have been encouraged by all the signs of resistance/non-compliance/can’t-be-arsedness I have seen today.

230637 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Now More Than Ever, 3, #1543 of 2064 🔗

Same, shows that more are at least tiring of it all now.

230741 ▶▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to DRW, 3, #1544 of 2064 🔗

I wish that was true of some of my neighbours. They definitely are taking the government’s rules to heart.
Yesterday it was fine for me to pop into a neighbour’s house. Today, ooh, no. Can’t do that. The virus is lurking out there now…

230684 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Now More Than Ever, 2, #1545 of 2064 🔗

I hadn’t considered that, but you are right! As well as the reports on here, I got a massive boost from a rare conversation with one of my neighbours today (summary in another comment below).

230817 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Now More Than Ever, 3, #1546 of 2064 🔗

I wish I felt encouraged. My daughter has been harassed in the chemist for going maskless. She’s a sceptic but does have asthma. The worker purposefully made her wait for ages & even tried to make her wait outside while she fetched the prescription muttering about “too many fake exemptions”.

There’s a lot of zealous types doing the government’s bidding. I going in there tomorrow myself on some pretext and will give this person chapter & verse of the law.

231025 ▶▶▶▶ GorbalsGirl, replying to Marialta, 2, #1547 of 2064 🔗

Get the worker’s name and report her to the company’s senior management. Maybe tell her that as well as grassing up her illegal harassment of disabled people and disgustingly rude customer service to her boss, you’ll also be informing your MP and the local newspaper of this intimidation?

Nasty bullies all deserve a taste of their own terror tactics.

231033 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Now More Than Ever, 1, #1548 of 2064 🔗

Agree. I feel so much more upbeat and positive today. Yesterday I was in true despair. But I’m going to stand and fight. I’ll be at the demo in London on 28th November.

230651 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Richard O, 12, #1549 of 2064 🔗

First one was different. For many it was an adventure, the blitz spirit, clapping the NHS, solidarity against an evil threat, etc. Not to mention the weather was better. Now it’s dark, cold, there’s no clapping, everyone is tired of it before it began and it doesn’t seem to work anyway. People are enduring it when before many embraced it.

230656 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Richard O, 1, #1550 of 2064 🔗

It’s just felt like a normal day to me today, although I appreciate that wouldn’t be the case if I ran a small business or worked in the hospitality industry. Everyone out as normal, lots of kids in the playground including some with grandparents, people stopping to chat as usual as I walked my dog. Not a single mention of lockdown, apart from one teacher I met rolling her eyes as she talked about their class bubbles (her dog is the school dog, and is only allowed to associated with children in her bubble…). It’s very different from last time, and thank god no more rainbows or clapping for the NHS (who must be a bit disappointed).

230668 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Richard O, 4, #1551 of 2064 🔗

No, over the edge now I think. The West has been destroyed, bigly and, if Creepy Joe gets in, the fall will be fast and very unpleasant.

230593 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 6, #1552 of 2064 🔗

Mark Devlin interviews Michael O’Bernicia

Private prosecution of all MPs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e09xnUJfyQY

230695 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to PastImperfect, #1553 of 2064 🔗

Powerful

230722 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to PastImperfect, #1554 of 2064 🔗

It all sounds very good – just hope it works! Wonder how he got on today..?

Why has Toby not got this case in the legal section of the day’s post though?

230600 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #1555 of 2064 🔗

TV news showing empty streets, old footage, do you think?

230664 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #1556 of 2064 🔗

London was quiet today not empty.Nothing like the first lockdown.The fear has gone

230606 Anothersceptic2, replying to Anothersceptic2, #1557 of 2064 🔗

They seem to have given up updating the official dashboard now, it’s nearly 7pm and nothnig for today.

230646 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Anothersceptic2, #1558 of 2064 🔗

That’s because everything they do now is based on models and predictions, not real world data.

230612 Kevin 2, replying to Kevin 2, 10, #1559 of 2064 🔗

Live stream from London on now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDOGbOG_72E

230615 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Kevin 2, 2, #1560 of 2064 🔗

Police have started to wade in 🙁

230633 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Kevin 2, 4, #1561 of 2064 🔗

Good feelings from that. Thanks.

230641 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Kevin 2, 2, #1562 of 2064 🔗

An alternative live feed:

https://youtu.be/-HybPhPk8fI

230661 ▶▶ EssieSW, replying to Kevin 2, 3, #1563 of 2064 🔗

If you want to commit a crime in London, do it now, looks like every single Met officer herding protesters

231039 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to Kevin 2, #1564 of 2064 🔗
230613 Biggles, replying to Biggles, 3, #1565 of 2064 🔗

As I type this I can’t think straight for all the bangs going on outside, the dog is going mental. I thought we were in lockdown again. Get it sorted Boris (sarc)

230635 ▶▶ bucky99, replying to Biggles, 3, #1566 of 2064 🔗

Hopefully more than a few being directed towards Westminster this evening!!

230645 ▶▶ annie, replying to Biggles, 4, #1567 of 2064 🔗

Biggles, you flew Camels, you flew Spitfires, you demolished the Hun, a few explosions aren’t going to phase you surely?
Go and put a stop to von Stalhein’s little games. You’ll find him in Number Ten.

230673 ▶▶▶ Biggles, replying to annie, 3, #1568 of 2064 🔗

Unfortunately my Sopwith Camel isn’t compatible with the Brimstone missile. One of those into No.10 at the next cabinet meeting would sort everything.

230702 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Biggles, 2, #1569 of 2064 🔗

Don’t you remember when you stuck some extra bits on the wings of your Camel so that it could fly higher? It only takes a bit of ingenuity.

230736 ▶▶▶▶▶ Biggles, replying to annie, 1, #1570 of 2064 🔗

You’re Stella Carstairs and I claim my £5.

230755 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Biggles, #1571 of 2064 🔗

Wrong, guess again!

230786 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Biggles, replying to annie, #1572 of 2064 🔗

Himmel, as von Stalhein might have said.

231007 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Biggles, #1573 of 2064 🔗

I always liked the bits where Biggles stole one of the bad guys’ planes – “Biggles struggled with the unfamiliar controls of the foreign machine”. I feel like that with a new computer or software.

230617 Ceriain, 17, #1574 of 2064 🔗

A lot of posters have posted earlier about the papers saying London numbers are levelling/coming down, so why the lockdown.

Here’s something to consider ( I have posted about this before ).

In London hospitals since October 1st, there have been 288 deaths*. In a population of about 9.3 million that’s 0.88 deaths per million people per day.

99 of those deaths have been at one trust: Barking, Havering and Redbridge University Hospitals NHS Trust (2 hospitals). That trust has a serious problem.

Take this from the London total: 189 deaths* in a population of about 9.3 million, so about 0.58 deaths per million people per day.

*Note: these are deaths of patients who have died in hospitals in England and have tested positive for COVID-19 , i.e. not all of them died OF Covid, if at all.

I’ve made many posts about London before; they all end with me suggesting London has got herd immunity. I still believe this.

230620 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #1575 of 2064 🔗

Manchester Evening News: Manchester Uni installs new lockdown fencing and security checks around campus.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/manchester-university-installs-new-lockdown-19228777

230628 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1576 of 2064 🔗

Manchester Uni professors of the CCP.

230639 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to nottingham69, 3, #1577 of 2064 🔗

The students’ Bergen-Belsen.

230657 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #1578 of 2064 🔗

I have to confess that I now feel ashamed at having graduated from that university.

230728 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #1579 of 2064 🔗

Academics with some notable exceptions have been easily bought off, government and a well known philanthrocapitalist and will deserve all that’s coming their way. There will be no place for them in the Great Reset world.

230780 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Rowan, 2, #1580 of 2064 🔗

I think many of them are like those who hope that the crocodile will eat them last.

They forget that they will be eaten anyway in the end.

230748 ▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #1581 of 2064 🔗

Getting the first isolation (concentration) camps ready I see.