2020-11-06

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231253 RyanM, replying to RyanM, 9, #1 of 2257 🔗

First! Lost our election, but first to comment. Small consolation, but I’ll take it.

231259 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to RyanM, 14, #2 of 2257 🔗

If you’re talking about the US, it’s not lost yet.

Hope remains while the company is true.

231271 ▶▶▶ RyanM, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 27, #3 of 2257 🔗

I’m not particularly hopeful, though. And I live in WA state- not as bad as UK or even close, but all of the masked faces are starting to take a toll. 10 months ago I said we’d never go for it. This is America, even in Washington. I am absolutely shocked by my fellow citizens… That doesn’t breed hope, but maybe I’m just grumpy today.

231474 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to RyanM, 15, #4 of 2257 🔗

If the masks went it would be such a relief to so many. I’ve been issued the ‘parents must wear masks’ from the kids school.

How about No

They’ve had one case of a +PCR

231683 ▶▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #5 of 2257 🔗

I would tell the school to shove their mask rule jumped up windbags

231754 ▶▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 12, #6 of 2257 🔗

Ask them to send evidence that long term wearing of masks does no harm. If they cannot (which they cannot), do NOT let your children wear masks and do not wear masks yourself as the sight of them is HUGELY damaging to children (they do not know the subliminal trauma they are experiencing when they see masked faces and are burying their trauma!)

233159 ▶▶▶▶▶ sam, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #7 of 2257 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eJuj0rx-48&feature=emb_logo
Ivor Cummins on the figures.
at 26mins it seems that from week 40 every positive test is counted as a case even if tis the same person being tested!
So as the ONS is paying people to be tested weekly for 4 weeks this means 4 times the cases (positive test results) hence their predictions of exponential numbers

231612 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to RyanM, 4, #8 of 2257 🔗

“And I live in WA state”

Is Biden going to rename that Floyd State?

232283 ▶▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to steve_w, 3, #9 of 2257 🔗

I doubt Biden will complete his first term if he were to win

232790 ▶▶▶▶▶ RyanM, replying to steve_w, #10 of 2257 🔗

Surprised Inslee hasn’t already done that.

Fun fact: King county was already renamed once, from “king,” (after an important local figure), to “king,” now named after Martin Luther King Jr, who has absolutely no connection whatsoever to Washington State.

231665 ▶▶▶▶ Lili, replying to RyanM, 6, #11 of 2257 🔗

The election has been won by the Democrats using voter fraud. The thing is, the Republicans know what these weasels are capable of and did nothing about it. It makes them complicit in their own downfall and because they’ve done nothing about the voting fraud they may never win another election.

231956 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Lili, #12 of 2257 🔗

The Repuplicans knew all about voter fraud in 2000.

232313 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Lili, #13 of 2257 🔗

Exactly. The Undemocratics have been spellng out for weeks exactly what they were going to do.

232128 ▶▶▶▶ ColoradoGirl, replying to RyanM, 2, #14 of 2257 🔗

What I don’t get is why Americans don’t protest any of this. There are protests all over Europe but we just comply here.

232795 ▶▶▶▶▶ RyanM, replying to ColoradoGirl, #15 of 2257 🔗

It’s insane. I’m sitting in Bellevue WA right now waiting for my wife at the Dr. I’d say it’s 100% mask compliance. No questions asked.

233265 ▶▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to ColoradoGirl, #16 of 2257 🔗

They are I can see it happening in the UK soon

231392 ▶▶▶ Fiat, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 3, #17 of 2257 🔗

Well over here the Orcs are in charge

231379 ▶▶ Adam, replying to RyanM, 13, #18 of 2257 🔗

I still wouldn’t count out Trump just yet he can still pull it off

232869 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to RyanM, 2, #19 of 2257 🔗

Commiserations. It’s been a dreadful spectacle seeing the shenanigans over there. No wonder Biden barely came out of his basement. They knew the fix was in, and campaigning was unnecessary.

231254 Judy Watson, replying to Judy Watson, 40, #20 of 2257 🔗

Good morning everyone.

Well, what can I say, witless and unbalanced have now agreed that the data presented to Bojo was out of date. Also the only mention of the march yesterday in London was of ‘crowds’ in Trafalgar square but the Daily mail said there were close to a million marching from Traf square to the strand.

Who is right? Will Bojo now do a massive u-turn – which he should but I ain’t holding my breath.

231260 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Judy Watson, 25, #21 of 2257 🔗

There will be no u-turn. They’re in too deep.

231262 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 18, #22 of 2257 🔗

Reading down today’s devastating roll of critiques, the government shouldn’t last another hour.

But they will. I see that the equally despicable May creature wants to get back into #10. Better start writing to the 1922 Committee now to put a stop to that. Never forget, remember her treachery.

Who shall we support? John Redwood?

231283 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Rosie, 28, #23 of 2257 🔗

Nigel Farage.

231305 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to annie, 8, #24 of 2257 🔗

Annie, only in terms of gathering momentum against lockdown, not candidates. Last time was too weird, the withdrawal of candidates. And the campaign was abysmal, I should know.

231329 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to Rosie, 14, #25 of 2257 🔗

He tried to do the right thing to avoid splitting the vote and letting Corbin in. I doubt he’d play ball again.

231340 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to steph, 4, #26 of 2257 🔗

I’d like to think that you are right… But can’t agree. Every debate I’ve had with people involved concludes that it was either an appalling mistake, or worse.

Too many stories from ukip days as well.

231370 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Rosie, 7, #27 of 2257 🔗

I can vouch the recruitment process for candidates to stand was dire – poorly executed and very unprofessional, it appeared no selection process was done as all communication was automated and you booked your 15 minute slot for an ‘interview’ online. Inspite of requests, they were not forthcoming with any other policies than Brexit, I was also not particularly happy providing copies of passport etc during the online application process – where was the assurance of data safeguards. Anyway, needless to say I declined an interview; if the recruiting process is dubious, does this not reflect on the institution, and how could I support, with conviction on the street, a party that appeared to have only one policy.

231523 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Nsklent, 7, #28 of 2257 🔗

I can vouch for that too. I never actually received a decision after my interview and was left to assume I hadn’t made the cut.

I also campaigned in Wales and to say that the local organisation was poor would be an understatement. A shame, since you are left wondering what could have been achieved by a professionally run outfit.

231475 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Rosie, 2, #29 of 2257 🔗

In retrospect it was an appalling mistake, but I also saw where Brexit Party and Tory party candidates in one constituency had just under 30% of the votes each, i.e. nearly 60%, but Labour won the seat with 31%. That’s what Farage didn’t want to happen. The Tories wouldn’t play ball and do a deal. They won, but had the BXP not stood down, we could have ended up with neither, and either Corbyn supported by the SNP, or a hung parliament.
It was a bad but understandable choice.

231491 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Lms23, 4, #30 of 2257 🔗

RUBBISH!!! Yes the Consocialist majority would have been less, but they would still have won and would have been much more likely to behave.

In any case, even Dustbyn would not have been worse than Bozo & Co.

231330 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RichT, replying to Rosie, 6, #31 of 2257 🔗

I am not, and never have been, a Conservative. But the Conservative party, with new leadership and direction, are probably our only hope at the next election. The fringe parties that will inevitably pop up, will only split the Conservative vote and hand Labour the election on a plate. Kier Starmer in charge of this country would be like jumping out of a small frying pan into an enormous fire.

231403 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to RichT, 9, #33 of 2257 🔗

The conservatives will never change

231693 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Victoria, 4, #34 of 2257 🔗

The whole LibLabConSNP need consigning to history

231427 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to RichT, 36, #35 of 2257 🔗

That sort of thinking got us here.The Conservative party needs to be destroyed and labour with it.
If we are allowed to vote again the choice will be between freedom and slavery.
Both major parties are signed up to the slavery agenda

231435 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 6, #36 of 2257 🔗

I absolutely agree with you: the board should be wiped clean.

But when it comes time for me to vote in a general election (if there ever is one again), I will have to think carefully about tactical voting.

It makes me sick not to be able to vote my conscience, but if I need to vote Conservative to keep Kier Stalin out of office, I will.

There’s not much point voting for a minority party, only to let a dictator in.

231659 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Mabel Cow, 5, #37 of 2257 🔗

I’m not sure that actually makes a lot of sense.

Let’s play the counter-factual: Labour wins in 2019 thanks to a split vote Tory/TBP. On Brexit, Labour would be in, but with Corbyn at the helm, and no possibility of claiming the election had been a vote for Remain. It would have been a mess – not so dissimilar from the present situation. On wider issues, the split in the Labour Party would have made them impotent. When the Covid came, the Tories would probably have opposed Labour, rather than egged them on into lockdown – in fact, the Covid situation would have been much better for that reason.

Instead, we have a Tory Party aping Labour, and a Labour ‘opposition’ apparently calling the shots. It would have been better for TBP to stand and fight hard, and for us to vote with our consciences.

231758 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Ovis, 2, #38 of 2257 🔗

agree !!

231961 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Ovis, 4, #39 of 2257 🔗

You make some valid points about how things might have been different now. My worry is for the future.

I feel that something fundamental has changed in politics, that something has snapped in this country, that there is a very real possibility of totalitarianism.

Corona-fear has been a runaway success for the authorities. Couple that with climate-fear, and I feel that a government under Starmer could easily convince the sheep into accepting an eco-health-technology dictatorship that once written into law and protected by willing supplicants would be impossible to overturn without a great deal of bloodshed.

I am heartened by reports of people pushing back against the lockdown, but it don’t believe that will translate to a rejection of the corona lie. They don’t want lockdown, but when they’re let out of their cages they’ll still wear their sodding masks.

Dunno. Maybe I’m just losing it. I hope so.

232167 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #40 of 2257 🔗

Thanks for this, Mabel Cow.

I think the Tories have shown that in government they will just ape Labour. They are not opposing Starmer now – they are doing what he tells them. At least in opposition they might actually oppose rather than execute Starmer’s policies.

231938 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #41 of 2257 🔗

No one not even the creep Starmer could be worse than this Bozo government which works directly to Bill Gate’s vaccine agenda. After saying that, I could never ever vote Labour, which was really killed off by Blair and has now been put to rest by the utterly stupid Starmer.

231497 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 4, #42 of 2257 🔗

But a third party with enough public support will scare the bejesus out of the Tories. If Farage’s Reform Party win big in the local elections, the Tories might be scared enough to change tack.
They’ll also set the entire establishment on them to undermine them, and there’ll be a media blitz to discredit them.

232658 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ RichT, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #43 of 2257 🔗

I agree that in an ideal world both Cons and Lab would be totally destroyed, but this is not going to happen. The new parties will take votes from the Cons and the Labour party will win. The turkeys will vote for christmas and you know it.
If Labour gets in, under Starmer, they will be signing up to the great reset in a flash!

233203 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carlo, replying to RichT, 1, #44 of 2257 🔗

True in this case it will be for a whole range of issues related to the reset as Corona in its current form would not be an issue by the time Starmer came to power.

231328 ▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to Rosie, 12, #45 of 2257 🔗

As a caretaker to get us over this either he or IDS would fit the bill. It can’t be long term though, the Conservative party has had it and those who showed integrity this week would do well very soon to jump ship to one of the newer parties.

231341 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to steph, 10, #46 of 2257 🔗

Agree, Redwood or IDS.

231499 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to Rosie, 3, #47 of 2257 🔗

Redwood has been a good local MP for me – Had a few conversations with him – he talks rationally – I personally disagree with him about Brexit – but he is a decent intelligent man

231701 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Aslangeo, 1, #48 of 2257 🔗

Redwood should of become Premier back in 1990 when Thatcher resigned instead We got the god awful major

231845 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Adam, 1, #49 of 2257 🔗

Major was utterly ghastly and still is…an establishment politician if ever there was one. Edwina Currie must have been very ambitious to want to shag that creature.

231939 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Locked down and out, replying to Adam, 1, #50 of 2257 🔗

John Redwood did not stand in 1990. He stood against Major at a later date in 1995. The 1990 election was between Hurd, Heseltine and Major.

231521 ▶▶▶▶ Thomasina, replying to Rosie, 2, #51 of 2257 🔗

He should have been leader years ago but Iain Duncan Smith got the job instead.

231942 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Thomasina, 2, #52 of 2257 🔗

Bring back IDS, never thought we’d be wishing for that.

231535 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Rosie, 2, #53 of 2257 🔗

Benjamine Netanyahu with Evil Pritti at the helm. Why rock the boat?

231690 ▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Rosie, 1, #54 of 2257 🔗

This government needs running out of office so does the Labour party I mercifully vote SDP

231947 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Adam, 1, #55 of 2257 🔗

Labour doesn’t matter, it is the Bozo government that is deliberately running the country into the ground and doing it on behalf of depopulator Bill Gates and the manic Klaus Schwab. We are so utterly fucked.

232768 ▶▶▶▶ Digital Nomad, replying to Rosie, #56 of 2257 🔗

While I am a great admirer of John Redwood, his achilles heel is his unflinching loyalty to the Conservative Party – to the point of Stockholm Syndrome.

233132 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Digital Nomad, #57 of 2257 🔗

Seems a nice guy but not PM material? Charles Walker put in a great speech. But I think of him as a Mayist and I never want to go back to the May era.

231265 ▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 3, #58 of 2257 🔗

Unfortunately you are probably right.

231266 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Judy Watson, 18, #59 of 2257 🔗

Agree. We are being manipulated and played by a vast media/gov machine that has access to enormous quantities of information, and effectively infinite money and resources.

All those people who have not been watching the intrigues from the Conservative Party ever since the Brexit vote, I implore you to listen to those of us who have. If the ‘red wall’ had done so they would never have voted for them in December.

TMay’s speech critical of lockdown was another sly deceitful trick. She’s a past master at pretending to be doing one thing while actually doing another.

Johnson being now tarnished, they are lining up May to go back in by her false and shallow trick. Speaking against it and not voting against it. In fact, if I recall correctly, she didn’t vote, so her handlers will have a free hand in portraying her either for or against lockdown.

She’ll do the ‘heavy heart’ thing and shed tears to perfection… Then lock us up and force test us and force vaccinate, the lot.

231310 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Rosie, 7, #60 of 2257 🔗

If they have any advantage from access to such quantities of information why is it that most of what we have been saying for many many months is still proving to be true.
Some LS readers are clearly technically qualified in various fields but most of us rely on gut instinct, observable reality and life experiences.

231338 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to karenovirus, 1, #61 of 2257 🔗

I’m not sure if we are understanding one another or talking at cross purposes.
But we here read most of what they are up to, but not all of it.

231368 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Rosie, 3, #62 of 2257 🔗

I meant that we understood what the virus was (not a big deal), how it would play out (minor second Wave or seasonal return) and what their reaction would be (lockdown 2 to cover up their mistakes).
It was also predicted that masks were a ploy to get us to accept the vaccine though in my case it was said in jest.

231405 ▶▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Rosie, 3, #63 of 2257 🔗

Not sure they want to put May back in. There are many waiting in the sidelines desperate to ‘lead’ the country especially Gove

231524 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Victoria, 3, #64 of 2257 🔗

and Jeremy Hunt- essentially he has been briefing against the govt in some recent interviews-although his record as Health sec in reducing NHS capacity may count against him

231703 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Victoria, 2, #65 of 2257 🔗

Never Gove bigger liar than Johnson

231773 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to Victoria, 2, #66 of 2257 🔗

Agree Gove is probably next in line although Rishi is tipped to be. He probably knew the deal before the election and didn’t think Boris would go for it.

231780 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Sceptic Hank, 5, #67 of 2257 🔗

Interesting theory that makes sense.
What has happened this year, those who saw the signs, simply were unable to accept that it really would happen.

A warning now to us as regards the rest of this shiiteshow, forced vaccination, ‘health passports’ , supply chain disruption and all. Get out and debrainwash the sheepie, now! Posters, leaflets, talk, etc etc

233133 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Victoria, #68 of 2257 🔗

Gove ushered in the May era…can’t forgive him for that.

231407 ▶▶▶ Daniel, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #69 of 2257 🔗

There are too much money to go around

231764 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Daniel, 1, #70 of 2257 🔗

Just as wicked as Johnson, but more competent. Not Gove.

231483 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 2, #71 of 2257 🔗

They have to be sacked. Who ever provided them a model 33% out even using their doom parameters is seriously in the wrong job.

231282 ▶▶ annie, replying to Judy Watson, 6, #72 of 2257 🔗

He only does u-turns when he’s pointing in the right direction.
Or rather, Witless and Unbalanced turn him round on his little wheels.

231315 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to Judy Watson, 15, #73 of 2257 🔗

If nobody is fired it is a sign that Whitty and Vallence are useful because they produce dodgy data, not despite it.

231386 ▶▶ Adam, replying to Judy Watson, 10, #74 of 2257 🔗

The time has come for the Conservative party to remove Johnson as leader get rid of Hancock also, ditch Witty vallance Ferguson and stupid SAGE at the same time, for the love of God repeal the covid19 act 2020

232622 ▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to Adam, 1, #75 of 2257 🔗

The time to ensure a decent future was the 2010 general election. People did not grasp the opportunity and we are consequently set on a course that is unalterable.

231387 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Judy Watson, 2, #76 of 2257 🔗

He should but like since March they will avoid admitting they’re wrong unfortunately.

231467 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Judy Watson, 17, #77 of 2257 🔗

Talk Radio has the news that 100 protesters were arrested during an “unlawful protest.”

If you can’t protest against these measures, what options do people have? The government takes away our liberties and then declares it unlawful to protest about it??
And why weren’t the BLM protests declared unlawful? Why we’re the police kneeling in from of the protesters in submission? As they say: WTF!!??

231682 ▶▶▶ Jpeg, replying to Lms23, 2, #78 of 2257 🔗

Under the new rules, even BLM protests are unlawful. The government wants to be challenged least of all on lockdown/new normal, but they really don’t want to be challenged on anything right now.

231710 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Lms23, 4, #79 of 2257 🔗

I would prefer if TalkRadio used the term ‘kidnapped’ because peacefully walking down a street to show your disapproval of a tyrannical government shouldn’t be crime as no harm was inflicted on anyone. There is no ‘law’ against protest.

231661 ▶▶ flyingjohn, replying to Judy Watson, 11, #80 of 2257 🔗

This madness will never end until Johnson, Gove and Hancock are removed. . They are following an agenda and it is clear now that they will not deviate from it whatever counter evidence or counter points of view are published. Like The Terminator, they will never, ever stop.

The 1922 Committee is our only hope. If they don’t act, then we are going to permanently lose our civil liberties and this dystopian life will never change.

231770 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to flyingjohn, 3, #81 of 2257 🔗

The 1922 Committee is our only hope. If they don’t act, then we are going to permanently lose our civil liberties and this dystopian life will never change.

We need to put hope into our own actions, not theirs, and get out there, defy the lockdown however we can, and talk to people Persuade them, and find fellow activists.

233115 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to flyingjohn, #82 of 2257 🔗

At least Brady has the right mindset.

231670 ▶▶ Jpeg, replying to Judy Watson, 7, #83 of 2257 🔗

I think it’s been proven beyond reasonable doubt (and I’m not usually into conspiracies) that once the lockdown rationale expires, they will just make up the data to justify it. Once they can’t do that any more, I assume they will either find another reason or just vote them through regardless. We live in an era of public health tyranny now and it’s not going anywhere soon.

231256 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 24, #84 of 2257 🔗

Remember, remember, the 5th of November
Lockdown, treason and plot.

231832 ▶▶ Binra, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #85 of 2257 🔗

Until 1859 celebrating the official government conspiracy theory was legally enforced.

231257 Allen, replying to Allen, 72, #86 of 2257 🔗

I am going to be the buzzkill- first poster(well maybe not now though it hardly matters) and am always annoyed by the thought that being the first poster merits anything. Our situation is too grave to be caring about these things.

Now, please stop with the entire virus narrative- what we are witnessing are mass crimes and what we saw in March/April was mass euthanasia that was done in order to create the dead bodies for the orchestrated scheme to completely alter the current social order.

These governments know full well that “Covid” is being used as cover for crashing the economies in the Western world. There is not now and never has been a “pandemic”- that is all Kabuki theater to disguise the reality of rapid economic decline brought on by the Ponzi Schemes of financial institutions over the past few decades.

The US (and much of the Western world) is in economic free fall. This was occurring long before Covid Mania was engineered but now it is moving with much greater velocity.

The collapse started in 2008 and attempts to salvage this Leviathan have been failures only delaying the inevitable. Fast forward to 2019 and the crisis began to unravel again.
There was a dramatic decrease in industrial production and then showed up in the banking crisis of August of 2019- the so-called Repo crisis when suddenly banks started to refuse US sovereign debt instruments as collateral of overnight loans forcing the
Federal Reserve to step in and basically print money to cover this massive shortage.

So by the time the “Corona virus” appeared the economy of the United States and many other Western countries were in full blown collapse.

The “Corona Virus” has proven to be very useful (poetically and coincidentally showed up just in time) by political leaders to mask (metaphor and reality) what was and is going on in the “real world” of the financial trenches. The economic destruction that it is being blamed for this is absolutely extraordinary.

We are suppose to pretend that it’s not economic policy decisions made through the years by financial parasites (who are now here to save and “reset” us) that are destroying our lives but some alien virus. It’s all lies.

From Corey Morningstar:

The devolving of physical relationships and whole societies, up against an accelerating, digitalized, virtual world is not a social dilemma. The leveraging of COVID-19, waged as a weapon against the citizenry, is not a social dilemma. Rather, this is the strategic destruction of the social. A social dismantling. A social deliquesce. A social nightmare.

For the Fourth Industrial Revolution to take hold, our global society must be socially engineered to accept, even prefer an artificial existence over that of a physical one. The saturation of the collective psyche with language and framing such as “tech for good” is strategic, a key method and means of obtaining the social license required for the Fourth Industrial Revolution “great reset.” The “watch dogs” put forward as reassurance to assuage a growing anxiety, thus a growing threat of backlash, serve not society, but the hand that feeds.

Physical is dangerous, digital is safe. Humans are lethal, technology is benign. Masks assist in dehumanising the human body. The conditioning for avoidance of human intimacy. Children learning not to touch. Nature is both separate and zoonotic – stay home, stay safe. Our deteriorating social fabric, already eroded from social media, and technology at large, has been doused with gasoline. It burns in silence behind a veil of willful blindness. Both isolated and detached from the physical presence of one another, and nature herself, we are in freefall. Remains of relationships in piles of invisible ashes.

231263 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Allen, 8, #87 of 2257 🔗

Great post. I’ll put it on my website (unless you object).

232060 ▶▶▶ Allen, replying to Rosie, 2, #88 of 2257 🔗

No objection.

232541 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Allen, #89 of 2257 🔗

We should all copy it to those, that are still resistant to reason and fact. If it does nothing else, it may cause a few of of them to feel a little uncomfortable and then who knows where that may lead.

231272 ▶▶ RyanM, replying to Allen, 36, #90 of 2257 🔗

Beat you to the first post, bam!

I think you are too cynical. I was a criminal defense lawyer for several years… Any conspiracy with more than one person is destined to fail.

Was it C.S. Lewis who said this? “Stop pretending that there are not also forces on the side of good.”

Or something like that. I’ve been depressed tonight as well, but it’s about time to snap out of it.

231278 ▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to RyanM, 5, #91 of 2257 🔗

Logical fallacy, argument from incredulity.

Are you saying that the Kennedy assassination was not a conspiracy? And depending on your view 911 was a conspiracy of gargantuan proportions whoever you think may have been responsible.

What about the moon landings or the Gulf of Tonkin, Vietnam war?

231284 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 2, #92 of 2257 🔗

The Kennedy assassination was not a conspiracy.

231298 ▶▶▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to annie, 4, #93 of 2257 🔗

the House of Representatives Select Committee on Assassinations begs to differ with you.

231306 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Londo Mollari, 7, #94 of 2257 🔗

It’s called disagreeing. People used to do it quite a lot.

231308 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to annie, 9, #95 of 2257 🔗

Stating your opinion as though it’s objective truth is not disagreeing. A disagreement needs discussion first.

231850 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ earthkiss, replying to Rosie, #96 of 2257 🔗

I agree as I see the majority of posts on social media follow this format.

232930 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Rosie, #97 of 2257 🔗

Whoops, I didn’t spot your post, before replying in similar vein.

231323 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to annie, 4, #98 of 2257 🔗

And openly!

232923 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to annie, #99 of 2257 🔗

But only when there was something to disagree about. You can’t prove a negative, so at best it’s only your opinion and a minority one at that.

231347 ▶▶▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to annie, #100 of 2257 🔗

Don’t know where to begin with such a comment. Can I assume you have either not researched this or misinformed?

Because the evidence to contrary is absolutely huge. Even against all that you actually believe that LHO with a bolt action Mannlicher Carcano somehow pulled it off that is still a conspiracy because of his links, background and associates.

As mentioned even the House Assassinations committee were forced to accept that view in 1977.

231350 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RyanM, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 1, #101 of 2257 🔗

As long as you don’t use Oliver stone as a research aid. The movie was a lot of fantasy. Maybe the killing wasn’t just LHO, but it wasn’t the movie version either.

231359 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to RyanM, 2, #102 of 2257 🔗

The movie provided some interesting links and touchstones but there is a huge well of material out there by a large range of sources that delve into much greater detail. The movie largely draws on the work of Jim Marrs Crossfire but there is so much more some still being uncovered by researchers.

For such a topic its impossible even to get a consensus from those who provide it but so much of went on, the links, associates and evidence of those whose involvement is only tangential, are wide and varied.

We will never uncover the true details but as others have said whatever and whoever was responsible including Oswald, the evidence of conspiracy is overwhelming and irrefutable.

231697 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 3, #103 of 2257 🔗

And GHW Busch couldn’t remember where he was on 20 November 1963. And what about Bobby. And what about ML King. All part of the process destroying popular movements and entrenching the oligarchy.

232335 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Helen, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 1, #104 of 2257 🔗

Totally agree

232939 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Seansaighdeoir, #105 of 2257 🔗

Absolutely.

232932 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Seansaighdeoir, #106 of 2257 🔗

Yes, Annie is swimming against a fast flowing tide. She will likely drown.

231437 ▶▶▶▶▶ Disbelief, replying to annie, 1, #107 of 2257 🔗

sweet jesus. really? really?! even their own government accept it… google: United States House Select Committee on Assassinations

231719 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Disbelief, 1, #108 of 2257 🔗

American government needs clearing out of traitors like the British government foes

231614 ▶▶▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to annie, 1, #109 of 2257 🔗

Agreed…they openly killed him because he did not want to go to Vietnam nd fucked up the Cubans in the bay of Pigs. No conspiracy=y, the Cia and Army openly took him out..Btw Oswald was such a bad shot apparently he would not be able to make that shot if he tried 100 times over .

232904 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to annie, #110 of 2257 🔗

Oh dear me.

231348 ▶▶▶▶ RyanM, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 8, #111 of 2257 🔗

No, what I mean is that conspiracies come out, not that they don’t ever happen. I was being hyperbolic, but the more people involved, the more likely it will come out.

Case-in-point. If year’s presidential election is thoroughly investigated, and there was widespread fraud, I think it will be discovered.

231372 ▶▶▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to RyanM, #112 of 2257 🔗

Thanks for the clarification Ryan.

Trouble is these things may ‘come out’ as you say but then they are reduced to ‘conspiracy theories’ which is enough of a pejorative to scare most people away – that is the point. And by their nature are hard to penetrate and really understand for those interested.

I think its clear that some very dodgy things are happening with regards the count in the election but depending on how long that takes to really uncover the narrative will simply be reduced to ‘bad losing’ or ‘conspiracy theory’ by the media. It is already happening here and by such a narrative it actually facilitates it. So for most they won’t really believe beyond what the msm say.

231382 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RyanM, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 3, #113 of 2257 🔗

I think you’re right. Unless it is thoroughly revealed and actually reported. At some point the public may turn on the press… Little better than Pravda at this point. I wonder if America as a whole still retains enough of our roots to still have that tipping point.

Sure hope so.

231391 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to RyanM, 1, #114 of 2257 🔗

Yep I agree. Always saw America as the last bastion of freedom. Not so sure these days though…

231872 ▶▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to RyanM, #115 of 2257 🔗

Unless it uncovers a fundamental systemic corruption deemed ‘too big to fail’.
The vertical self-preservation of a fear directed and fear protecting narrative IS the blind conspiracy to NOT see and NOT know what your life (as you currently accept it) depends upon NOT seeing.

If you step out of line you are penalised. If you persist, you are invalidated, neutralised, or excommunicated. This is so obvious as to be the definer of what we can think, say, see and share in. It is fear-driven private self-interest under narrative masking justifications.

The corporate (and conspiratorial) practice uses masking of agenda in multiple ‘fronts’ as both perception management and hiding or masking money trails – and most of the financial system now is the underbelly – not the surface. Freedom of association for key points of influence makes networks that can be leveraged to specific outcomes at key moments under their own ‘masking justifications’. And so there is no need or call for conspiring to any single narrative intent, but merely to exert incentivised pressure in any and all systems to nudge and frame it in thought and regulations that render the society, institution of corporation less resilient to being corrupted or influenced via backroom or back door agenda.

Deference to ‘power’ as the capacity to mask as the Protector of Order, and the means to favour, privilege or success – and corresponding fears of their denial, operates in large part as not biting the hand that feeds us or not calling penalty of blame and vilification to our person or group.
Its all built into a fear-defined and fear-masking identity.

231715 ▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 3, #116 of 2257 🔗

The Americans got a well deserved hiding in vietnam I don’t dislike them before my time at least Mr Wilson kept Britain out of it imagine if Blair Cameron or Johnson were PM back in the 60’s

231738 ▶▶▶▶ TyRade, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 2, #117 of 2257 🔗

I’m sure at one point in the campaign Biden said Trump killed Kennedy.

231669 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to RyanM, #118 of 2257 🔗

It depends upon how much money there is and whose hands it is in. Essentially they have an unlimited supply and the people have zilch. About the only thing that can stop this destruction of our society is the application of Common Law.

232063 ▶▶▶ Allen, replying to RyanM, #119 of 2257 🔗

I’m neither depressed nor cynical.

I never enter into either of those conditions.

231285 ▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to Allen, 35, #120 of 2257 🔗

It’s fairly obvious this is the plan. Covid is a great cover up for the economic collapse that was imminent anyway…you can’t prop up a Fiat currency forever with Qantitative Easing. Rishi will continue QE until March, to make sure more S&M businesses collapse (easy pickings for large companies) and people get used to a universal credit type income. They want to remove independence, and create reliance on big business and the state = Control. Once conditions are right the “Not so Great Reset” can begin.

Only one problem. More people are waking up, and will not go quietly. I’m convinced that the criminals behind this will be exposed and sent to jail. It’s just a matter of time.

231297 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Sceptic Hank, 6, #121 of 2257 🔗

It is just a matter if time. That’s why we need a ‘passion of patience’.
The government and its supporting gangsters are living right on the San Andreas fault. The rocks are locked ( down), but there’s a limit to how much stress they can take.

231299 ▶▶▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to annie, 21, #122 of 2257 🔗

They must be feeling the tremors…they are panicking and exposing their hand, which is why Control is so important. I’m actually wondering if the lockdown was also about stopping the ever growing public unrest and demonstrations…

231303 ▶▶▶▶▶ D.S., replying to Sceptic Hank, 5, #123 of 2257 🔗

Beware Carroll Quigley Tragedy and Hope:

The purpose was not to destroy, dominate, or take over but was really threefold: (1) to keep informed about the thinking of Left-wing or liberal groups; (2) to provide them with a mouthpiece so that they could ‘blow off steam,’ and (3) to have a final veto on their publicity and possibly on their actions, if they ever went ‘radical.’

231316 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to D.S., #124 of 2257 🔗

Sounds like an accurate description, but what is this case you refer to please? I’ve never heard of it.

233020 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Sceptic Hank, 1, #125 of 2257 🔗

I’m actually wondering if the lockdown was also about stopping the ever growing public unrest and demonstration”

Well yes, that was one of its fundamental aims. The lockdowns, testing and other restrictions are also part of getting us to accept the idea of being injected with one or another of Bill Gates’s depopulator vaccines. Once vaccinated we will be finished and so the vaccines must be resisted, as if your life depended on it, which of course it does. It should really go without saying, that you should never volunteer to be tested for Covid-19.

231313 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to annie, 5, #126 of 2257 🔗

Oh dear, disagreeing again. It needs a passion of action. They hold the cash, the guns and too many corrupted institutions. Who can stop them with most of the population effectively enslaved by fear?

231320 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to Rosie, 13, #127 of 2257 🔗

You really do give up too easily. That’s what they want. Hope and a positive attitude are the key.

231331 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Sceptic Hank, 7, #128 of 2257 🔗

I said a Passion of Action is needed. Read what I say!

Did you not read my other posts? I say over and over again to people here to get organized, get into small groups, take on a task that needs doing, and work at it all day and every day.

They hold the power and are acting fast and we are sitting around telling one another to be patient and get some popcorn. No!!!!!!

Get out there and get to work.

231354 ▶▶▶▶▶ RyanM, replying to Rosie, 1, #129 of 2257 🔗

Not here, baby! We love our guns. There’s one not 8 inches from me right now (in a quick-access safe… It’s 11:21 pm over here so I’m about to go to sleep).

231572 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to RyanM, 2, #130 of 2257 🔗

I have a catapult and a 30 year old air rifle in a quick access cupboard.

231311 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Sceptic Hank, 4, #131 of 2257 🔗

Of course I sincerely hope that they will be in jail. But by what mechanism? What power or authority?

231319 ▶▶▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to Rosie, 8, #132 of 2257 🔗

There are many lawsuits being filed all over the world. Unless the judiciary have been compromised this easily proven unlawful behaviour will soon be exposed. What sets a precedent in one country will apply to the next.

231336 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Sceptic Hank, 8, #133 of 2257 🔗

There’s a huge amount of compromise already. We know that from many appalling decisions in the climate change scam.

What’s worse is that when the climate realists have won in the courts, nothing changes. They simply ignore it.

These legal actions won’t achieve anything without widespread and mass popular support from the public. That’s why the deluge of propaganda continues.

FFS listen to me.

Get out on the streets and talk to people, try to persuade them, put up posters, put round leaflets, do everything you can and stop leaving it to other people to carry all the responsibility.

232074 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Rosie, 2, #134 of 2257 🔗

I intend to place a placard at our local war memorial, apologising to the fallen for the way the populace is kow-towing to the grotesque whims of a few unconscionably rich individuals.

231356 ▶▶▶▶▶ RyanM, replying to Sceptic Hank, 6, #135 of 2257 🔗

Would be nice. But populations support this shit. Go into a grocery store and count the masks. That’s ignorant fear and blind trust in government. It’s not hauling King John up the hill by the scruff of his neck and forcing him to sign the magna carts…

231385 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RyanM, replying to RyanM, #136 of 2257 🔗

Carta… Not carts.

231441 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ rose, replying to RyanM, 3, #137 of 2257 🔗

Look at the students pulling the fence down in Manchester. They all had masks on

231450 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Josephine K, replying to rose, 10, #138 of 2257 🔗

I’d have worn one too in those circumstances….who wants to be recognised when they don’t have to be? Its difficult to take action against someone you can’t recognise

231696 ▶▶▶ Lili, replying to Sceptic Hank, 2, #139 of 2257 🔗

I don’t want them jailed, I want them dispatched.

231334 ▶▶ Helen, replying to Allen, 5, #140 of 2257 🔗

Brilliant post Allen Thanks

It burns in silence behind a veil of willful blindness. Both isolated and detached from the physical presence of one another, and nature herself, we are in freefall . Remains of relationships in piles of invisible ashes.

231395 ▶▶ Suze Burtenshaw, replying to Allen, 2, #141 of 2257 🔗

Had to look up ‘deliquesce’. Good word. Good post, too albeit depressing beyond words.

231553 ▶▶ Mike, replying to Allen, 6, #142 of 2257 🔗

Physical is dangerous, digital is safe. Humans are lethal, technology is benign. Masks assist in dehumanising the human body. The conditioning for avoidance of human intimacy. Children learning not to touch. Nature is both separate and zoonotic – stay home, stay safe. ‘

Unfortunately I see this more and more in my job. People based in offices who are terrified of the outside world unless it has been manicured and manipulated. I find more and more that these people are looking askance at anyone who likes being outside, or doing any thing physical or manual. Its the real world verses the fake…fake is winning.

231833 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Mike, 4, #143 of 2257 🔗

I see more of us oldies out in the countryside walking , gardening, getting mucky in the weather, now that’s all good for the immune system,and the spirit.

231258 ColoradoGirl, replying to ColoradoGirl, 9, #144 of 2257 🔗

“Each day we are becoming a creature of splendid glory or one of unthinkable horror.” -C. S. Lewis

231288 ▶▶ annie, replying to ColoradoGirl, 22, #145 of 2257 🔗

I don’t find much glory in myself. I trust that God will give me a little, for free (that’s the meaning of grace). .But I utterly reject the forces that want to turn me into a creature of unspeakable horror.
Hell is the place where people wear face nappies for eternity. Heaven is the place where you see God face to face, and know even as you are known.
Hell’s adumbration is the supermarket.
Heaven’s adumbration is your smile.

232655 ▶▶▶ ColoradoGirl, replying to annie, #146 of 2257 🔗

Agreed!

231264 Judy Watson, replying to Judy Watson, 113, #147 of 2257 🔗

Forgot to say – thanks to the students in Manchester for tearing down the fences. I hope that if other universities do the same the students will react the same way.

231268 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Judy Watson, 42, #148 of 2257 🔗

Yes well done them. More please!

Repulsive university authorities claiming that the fences were to keep the nasties out, rather than prison fences keeping the student-slaves in.

231290 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Rosie, 24, #149 of 2257 🔗

Liars, tyrants, devils.

231332 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Rosie, 21, #150 of 2257 🔗

Totally agree but they are also weak and back down as soon as vigorously challenged. We should all learn something from that.

231353 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to steph, 8, #151 of 2257 🔗

Too right! No pussy footing around politely with the virtue signallers and zealots, but give them a stream of passionate truth!

231398 ▶▶ Adam, replying to Judy Watson, 7, #152 of 2257 🔗

The people that running these colleges need removing from their jobs as much as the LibLabConSNP

231489 ▶▶ Commander Jameson, replying to Judy Watson, 10, #153 of 2257 🔗

Seeing this makes me so proud to be a UoM graduate. We need more of this.

231730 ▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Commander Jameson, 3, #154 of 2257 🔗

Good on them 👍 if We are going to get Our freedoms back the current Government must go and Labor

231857 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Judy Watson, 4, #155 of 2257 🔗

Yes thank god some of the youngsters seem to be waking up. Lets hope this spreads around the country….stuff the university authorities they are collaborators in evil.

231267 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 21, #156 of 2257 🔗

From Will’s story above:

Meanwhile, KCL’s Tim Spector says his ZOE Covid survey app shows the second peak has already passed. It’s day two of Lockdown 2 and the Government’s case has completely unravelled.

I wonder how the government will spin this one.

I guess Professor Spector will be the next scientist to be rubbished by Handjob at the dispatch box.

231269 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Ceriain, 14, #157 of 2257 🔗

Same smears same lies same story that the real climate scientists have been enduring for decades. Shame nobody paid any attention to their plight, and still are not….

231270 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 31, #158 of 2257 🔗

In the past 48 hours I have recieved my 2nd and 3rd text reminders to take the ‘normal’ flu jab from my GP Surgery.
In previous years I have had only one such text.
Furthermore I am no longer expected to get a bus to a trading estate with a lengthy walk to the cattle market (or a £7.00 each way taxi); the flu jabbing station is now the church hall directly across the road from the Surgery.

They must be really desperate to get their flu jab bonus and create their covid vaccine database.

No Thanks.

231279 ▶▶ Alci, replying to karenovirus, 23, #159 of 2257 🔗

But flu is gone this year thanks to magic masks! Definitely no need for a vaccine.

231291 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Alci, 14, #160 of 2257 🔗

It’s simpler than that. Flu and Covid are now the same thing.

231296 ▶▶▶▶ Alci, replying to annie, 9, #161 of 2257 🔗

I know :). Sarcasm fail! The RT article in the links today is good on this

231733 ▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to annie, 1, #162 of 2257 🔗

So we should be demanding our rights them Johnson will pay dearly

231293 ▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to karenovirus, 3, #163 of 2257 🔗

Oddly enough, I’ve so far not had my usual letter about the flu vaccine. I generally have it but as I’m stuck in this year there seems little point.

231680 ▶▶▶ davews, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 1, #164 of 2257 🔗

If they have your mobile number they will text you. Otherwise, or if you don’t have mobile, you have to chase them up, seems they don’t send out letters. I had mine this week (but in the surgery car park!). I have had it for several years now and it seemed sensible – no side effects as of yet. As for COVID jabs that is a completely different matter and I would be reluctant.

231295 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 14, #165 of 2257 🔗

Update.
Alex Belfied YouTube reports that the BMA have emailed all GP Surgeries to prepare for a covid vaccination programme starting 1st December.
Curiouser and curiouser given that lockdown 2 is set to finish the day after.

231317 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to karenovirus, 9, #166 of 2257 🔗

Untested and unsafe, beware the speed of the agenda against us! Not a time for patience but for the highest sense of urgency.

Wake up, Sceptics, or it will be too late.

I don’t want to be able to say to you, “I told you so !”

231335 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Rosie, 2, #167 of 2257 🔗

We all know that Rosie, let’s see what happens to the eager hoards who take it in the hope of being made free.

231737 ▶▶▶ Adam, replying to karenovirus, 2, #168 of 2257 🔗

BMA need investigated for their actions Vaccines take years as well to prepare

231446 ▶▶ Gracie Knoll, replying to karenovirus, 4, #169 of 2257 🔗

https://www.bmj.com/content/368/bmj.m626/rr
THAT is a good reason NOT to take flu jabs. Pass it around.

231493 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Gracie Knoll, 6, #170 of 2257 🔗

“South Korean authorities stick to flu vaccine plan after deaths rise to 48

“[Singapore] MOH advises temporarily ceasing use of 2 flu vaccines after deaths in South Korea”

231694 ▶▶▶ James Bertram, replying to Gracie Knoll, 3, #171 of 2257 🔗

Thanks GK. Emailed it to my doctors surgery, along with the Anna Brees video interviews with Dr Mike Yeadon and with Graham Hutchinson.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCi9eHpvhK9fYnqALwPX4MNQ
Have previously also sent them a copy of the Dr Bhakdi book Corona – false alarm?, and the GB Declaration.

I think it is good to keep your doctors informed – because Public Health England, the BMA and NICE clearly won’t if it doesn’t suit their agenda.

Perhaps I should also send them some material on Vitamin D?

232196 ▶▶ TT, replying to karenovirus, 2, #172 of 2257 🔗

Same here, even if I’ve refused the flu jab for more years than I can remember and have always indicated why (no proof that it works, never had the flu and hence don’t feel the need to mess with my immune system), my GP has ‘proposed’ a flu jab every single time I was in touch for something entirely unrelated. Last time I was told there wasn’t enough in stock to serve all comers anyway, so I was relieved they at least didn’t repeat that bs about doing it ‘to protect the weak’ – doesn’t bode well though that despite all studies showing higher sensitivity to coronaviruses following the flu jab, the general populace is still clamoring to have it in droves.

232333 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to karenovirus, 2, #173 of 2257 🔗

Me, too. They won’t do my blood tests which were previously ‘vital’ for cancer, though! They get paid extra for administering vaccinations. As someone who had their health ruined by a BCG jab I was forced to have whilst working for the NHS, I would urge everyone to refuse these specially targeted vaccines.

231273 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 31, #174 of 2257 🔗

The Fraser Nelson piece in the DT (paywalled) is interesting for a couple of things he says:

His [Boris] overruled officials did not give up, and kept coming back with memos pointing to a second wave, which – at its peak – would be four times larger than the first. He had no one to ask for a second opinion , no “red-team” of epidemiologists to ask how plausible this scenario would be.

He’s got a whole load of people he could have called; Heneghan, Gupta, Michael Levitt, and more…

Bloody hell, he could have called us here at LS ; we’d have told him the doomsters’ forecasts were rubbish. 😉

One of the questions that must be asked is: why is he not able to call anyone else? He’s the Prime Minister, FFS! Who’s stopping him?

The 2nd thing that Nelson says that really annoys me is this – he says:

The Prime Minister will have cause to be aggrieved. “That regional approach was showing signs of working,” he moaned to Parliament a few days ago. “It’s still showing signs of working.” Quite so. Daily infections in Liverpool have almost halved from their peak last month.

In Nottingham, they are down by three-fifths. In Lancaster, Burnley and Blackpool, new infections are also falling.

No, not ‘quite so’, Fraser; that’s just propaganda from the Government.

He doesn’t seem to be aware that all those places’ numbers were falling before the tiers came in , and were only appearing to be running out of control, in the first place, because of the mass testing of students.

Must do better, Fraser. B-

231275 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Ceriain, 14, #175 of 2257 🔗

It’s a nonsense ring-fenced viewpoint based on the official narrative that this is necessary or a series of cock-ups. It isn’t. It’s a Davos coup d’etat and Boris (and his father) is aware of that. What do you think PMs and MPs and wealthy folks and groups do in Davos? Why bother meeting if it is just a talking shop?

231277 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to chaos, 14, #176 of 2257 🔗

Yeah, I’m getting fed up hearing from people saying it’s all a cock-up, or it’s just incompetence.

231568 ▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to chaos, 5, #177 of 2257 🔗

Davos is where Prime Ministers and Presidents go to receive their instructions.

231748 ▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to charleyfarley, #178 of 2257 🔗

All our Premiers need to be forbidden from participating in Davis, UN WHO IMF it’s not just the EU that infringes on Nations it’s the outfits mentioned

231811 ▶▶▶ James Bertram, replying to chaos, -1, #179 of 2257 🔗

Chaos – agree. I think Stanley Johnson’s globalist influence is key here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Johnson_(writer)
A former employee of the World Bank and the European Commission , he has written books on environmental and population issues.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Books-Stanley-Johnson/s?rh=n%

http://tapnewswire.com/2020/09/ultimate-proof-covid-19-was-planned-to-usher-in-the-new-world-order/
(20. ‘Scenario For The Future’
This renown researcher refers to a famous document by the Rockefeller Foundation in which everything we see happening now is literally predicted in great detail: the global pandemic, the lock-downs, the collapse of the economy and the imposing of authoritarian control.
It’s all described with terrifying accuracy… ten years before it happened!)

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1241163/nigel-farage-lbc-news-boris-johnson-family-huawei-ban-5g-network-china

231900 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to chaos, #180 of 2257 🔗

A question: is the MSM (and Toby) deliberately pivoting towards an ‘incompetence’ narrative, to deflect people away from investigating the great reset agenda, which had been gaining traction?

Also to stop people noticing the plans for mass vaccination to start on 1st December?
Is the aim now to get people focused on and het up about the misuse of stats and being in lockdown so that they do not have time to organise anti-vaccination protests before the programme gets approved and is put into action?

Maybe the government do not really care if this lockdown is not followed, because they are busy planning the ‘surprise’ compulsory mass vaccinations to start at the beginning of December – which will allow them to lift the lockdown in time for Christmas?

231281 ▶▶ Alci, replying to Ceriain, 14, #181 of 2257 🔗

Agree. Fraser/the Spectator is nervous or plain ignorant when faced with data. Though excellent with political gossip and insight. They did publish Dr John Lee and trying to show some stats now, but it’s all partial / caveated and always “balanced” by some propaganda article from a government shill.

231286 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Alci, 10, #182 of 2257 🔗

…always “balanced” by some propaganda article from a government shill.

Oh, Alcina, that is sooooooo spot on!

I have commented on here a couple of times about Fraser, especially about his ‘politeness’ and , in my opinion, his unwillingness to say anything ‘too’ bad about Boris and his crew. I suspect he doesn’t want to lose the exclusives he gets for the Speccy .

231322 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Alci, 1, #183 of 2257 🔗

Managed dissent, that’s all it is.
He’s a mixture but overall, IMO, heavily compromised.

231292 ▶▶ annie, replying to Ceriain, 10, #184 of 2257 🔗

The PM doesn’t have causes to be aggrieved, he has cause to be ashamed.
Supposing the word to be in his vocabulary.

231294 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to annie, 1, #185 of 2257 🔗

Grade inflation.

LOL! You got me. 😉

231753 ▶▶▶ Adam, replying to annie, #186 of 2257 🔗

Johnson out now wake up 1922 committee wake up Britain

231371 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Ceriain, 4, #187 of 2257 🔗

Government spin.Part of the I don’t want to lock you up as I’m a libertarian sort of guy.
The original lockdown was a political decision despite sage advice.
They are just bending the data to suit a political agenda.

231406 ▶▶ Adam, replying to Ceriain, 4, #188 of 2257 🔗

Johnson was never leadership material it’s time for him to go take the odious Hancock with Him

231558 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Ceriain, 1, #189 of 2257 🔗

Yes, both very good points. First, the government has only itself to blame for having only bad advice. They chose the advisers and stuck with them despite their failure to stand up to the browbeating in March that drove them off the formerly sensible response and into supporting radical policy proposals that should have been unacceptable on principle to any conservative and traditionalist leader.

Second, the tendency for political types like Nelson to seek to “compromise” on regional tier lockdowns needs to be scotched before it gets too strong a grip. The graph posted above the line today shows that the regional tiers probably had as little effect as the original lockdown and for similar reasons – the spread had already peaked in most cases before the measures were enacted.

231274 chaos, 5, #191 of 2257 🔗

Dec 13, 2019 — Boris Johnson is a bouncy British Brexit bounder
Dec 13, 2020 — Boris Kemal is a Davos stooge man-child tyrant

231276 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 15, #192 of 2257 🔗

Guys, worth a listen:

Daily Telegraph Planet Normal podcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=305NOK6IhQs

Even if you don’t want to listen to it all, please listen between 8m30s and 17m10s.

Allison Pearson and Liam Halligan have a nice insider exclusive on the fake figures coming out from the NHS about Liverpool hospitals, and the fake modelling SAGE/PHE/the NHS is using to drive their agenda; they also out Simon Stevens for the liar he is by quoting the same fake figures on the BBC.

231287 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ceriain, 8, #193 of 2257 🔗

Thanks, 18 minutes well spent.
Backs up the brave healthcare assistant in Toby’s piece from Risky Treliske* and what I know to be the case at my local main regional hospital.

*locals longterm nickname.

231301 ▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to Ceriain, 5, #194 of 2257 🔗

Their podcasts get better every time

231280 Sceptic Hank, replying to Sceptic Hank, 37, #195 of 2257 🔗

I was delighted to see the student revolt against that ridiculous fence. I was starting to despair at the young, having spotted so many of them wearing masks outside with obvious pride. The young couple next door (regularly seen jogging with masks) have now holed themselves up in their flat and only emerge for Deliveroo.

As far as the university is concerned, they made a momentously stupid decision to erect that wall. Many people in positions of power are Dangerous Idiots.

When I elected Boris and the team I thought they would lead the UK towards an exciting future, creating a libertarian version of Singapore.

But they’ve turned out to be Dangerous Idiots too.

231538 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Sceptic Hank, 6, #196 of 2257 🔗

A lesson I’ve learned is such broad belief on a politician to deliver some kind of ideological landscape is not advised. PMs, unless a ground up populist one, cannot have the kid of power to do that. He or she is simply a product of a polticial machine which involves horse trading galore. He has to pay the piper.

So don’t ever trust them. At best I vote on the basis of a single stand out issue.

231761 ▶▶ Adam, replying to Sceptic Hank, 1, #197 of 2257 🔗

I never trusted BoZo or Corbyn thank God for the SDP I have a political home to go to

231892 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Sceptic Hank, 5, #198 of 2257 🔗

I just dont get what motivates young people like your ones next door. They fill me with dread of the future when they are completely in charge. I just dont remember such attitudes being around when I was that age. They are like young foggies that make us oldies look like the rebellious ones. They are so right on and sanctimonious and so proud of their altruism. They dont see the wider picture though…that those attitudes of craven submission are going to wreck the capitalist economy which provides them with their goodies and any idea of a free civilised society.

231974 ▶▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to Borisbullshit, 5, #199 of 2257 🔗

Agree, it baffles me too. Perhaps because their parents mollycoddled them too much? When I was a kid I could go anywhere, it was pretty safe, and I’d just go home after playing with siblings and friends in the nearby parks and area. I think parental fear may have affected this generation – fear of germs, predators, etc etc. and they just aren’t as tough as we were growing up.

232562 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Sceptic Hank, 7, #200 of 2257 🔗

I do think thats very true. I like watching the 1970 film ‘The Railway Children’ as it reminds me of my childhood in the late 1960s….. as I also grew up next to a busy railway west of Manchester. We were very free from quite a young age and just used to have fun with friends all day especially in the summer holidays. No being ferried around in Mum’s taxi…..hardly anyone had a car on the small council estate I grew up on,,,, and no adult supervised ‘sleepovers’. You leaned about risk and personal responsibility in a way children just dont now. Its no surprise they end up fearful adults who do not value freedom as they have never really had it.

233080 ▶▶▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Borisbullshit, 3, #201 of 2257 🔗

I have to say if you didn’t realise i had a go at you in the post above where you were slagging socialists. but on this post i totally agree .I have never been a person to look back with rose tinted spectacles on the past but the truth is this crisis has made me realise just how much freedom we have lost and not just from covid but over the past 50 years . You only have to look at kids today ,they have all the gadgets in the world but they still look so bored and lonely . I hope if and when we do fight our way out of this (and i believe we will ) we don’t just stop and say job done but fight on to make a society for everyone ,where we can feel a sense of belonging and rediscover that feeling of being at home once again .

233348 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to wat tyler, #202 of 2257 🔗

Yes very much agree on that wat though I was not slagging socialists off at all…..I was one for many years. I was just stating that there is no such thing as ‘socialism’ as a different economic system to ‘capitalism’ which does not descend into the kind of authoritarianism seen in every one of the ‘socialist’ societies seen so far. Its fine to have social democratic reforms within capitalism as in Scandanavia but thats as far as it should ever go. I have no problem with such reforms. Hope that clarifies it wat …….now we can get on with rescuing freedom!

231300 Cheshirecatslave, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 44, #203 of 2257 🔗

Last lockdown I was pretty much in solitary confinement(apart from my cats) for 10 weeks as my helpers abandoned me.(I’m disabled). This time my cleaning lady/helper has promised to stick by me.She’s a fellow sceptic. Her company and support is much appreciated as is a clean house
After watching the opera Boris Godunov about a wicked Tsar, I’ve decided to henceforth call our PM Boris Badonov!
Plenty of people in my area had fireworks last night- good for them!

231397 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 5, #204 of 2257 🔗

Well said. We are indeed living during the Time of Troubles.

231302 Mark H, replying to Mark H, 44, #205 of 2257 🔗

There’s a new TV ad doing the rounds. It features Ian Wright schilling for Facebook Portal.

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In the ad, Wright is at home at Christmas with 2 of his kids and his wife. On top of the TV in the livingroom is a camera which is streaming video to, what I assume to be, two relatives sitting in their livingroom.
The website that accompanies this device explains “ Start some new Christmas traditions. Even when you’re far apart .”
In clear terms, the technocracy are generously and benignly providing us – at a cost – the technology and means to remain apart at Christmas. Graciously the Facebook Portal offering comes in shapes and sizes to meet anyone’s needs, including a lovely little photo frame-sized camera and screen device.
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Part of the marketing blurb explains that this device will allows us to put on “AR (augmented reality) masks”. There’s that word again. All while allowing us to “worker smarter from home”.

The technocracy are enablers of the lockdown. Advocates for social isolation. Proponents for alone-ness while providing the means to make this bearable.

“What are you complaining about? You can see granny on the telly! Look, she’s wearing an AR mask, how funny.”

Read only scantly between the lines and you learn that, yes, Christmas will be socially distanced by government decree this year. Why else would Facebook, one our of technocratic elite handlers, spend the considerable sums of money required to hire Ian fucking Wright and his family to make an ad, played during the Europa League matches on TV?

The target market for this TV ad, and the device itself, is upwardly-mobile middle class families living beyond their furloughed means in leafy suburbs. The set the ad was filmed in shows a warm, comfy and immaculately decorated front room, the sort of dwelling the proles aspire to have, one day.

The ad says, “see, aspiring middle class wannabees? Look how wonderful life is when you obey the government this Christmas! You too can live out-with your meagre means one day, as long as you keep granny away from you and don’t have your disease vector…er…friends over for a cheeky glass of Tesco wine and a sausage roll. Just buy a Facebook Portal.”

Christmas. Done the technocratic way. 2020.

231304 ▶▶ annie, replying to Mark H, 17, #206 of 2257 🔗

Christmas will not be done that way.
Period.

231367 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to annie, 15, #207 of 2257 🔗

I agree,a small 2/3 week break in lockdown and back in we go.On and off until Spring.The extension of furlough confirms it.

231312 ▶▶ John Smith, replying to Mark H, 15, #208 of 2257 🔗

Those fuckers have truly lost the plot if they think this will ever be accepted.

This will be over long before Christmas.

231321 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to John Smith, 9, #209 of 2257 🔗

Not on the current trajectory alas. A stolen election by Dementia Davos and lockdown number 2.. soon to be lockdown number 3. It’s the failure of teams. 650 MPs – most of whom are stupid, dishonest and/or gutless. Making this stop is like turning a tanker around in a small harbour. Like the scene where Austin attempts a 3 point turn in a baggage cart in a narrow passageway
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_A66lAAMDM

Our system seemingly hasn’t yet realised that a Davos coup d’etat is underway. The royals know. The front bench know. Kier Ostama knows. China knows. Goldman Sachs knows… McKinsey knows.. even UPS knows..

https://www.ups.com/us/en/services/knowledge-center/article.page?kid=art173718ac052&articlesource=longitudes

231363 ▶▶▶▶ John Smith, replying to chaos, 12, #210 of 2257 🔗

It’s fkn finished pal …

Quicker you get used to that idea, the quicker it’ll happen.

231582 ▶▶▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to John Smith, 11, #211 of 2257 🔗

I agree. The idea this lockdown is anything like the first is ridiculous .People are already taking no notice and it’s only day 2 . Johnson will have a simply choice after Brexit is finally sorted at the end of December and that is change course or be deposed .No one wants to move before hand as whatever happens over Brexit will be firmly on Johnson’s head and we all know that whatever the outcome there will always be disappointed people,so let him take the can . Johnson knows he’s finished and this is simply the thrashing around of a dying creature, our job now is to keep up the pressure against lockdown in whatever way each of us choose and help to put the sickly beast (Johnson) out of it’s misery. Our next task once he is removed is to make sure no one in power ever even dreams of treating the people of our country in this way again and we must force that message down the throats of any future government

231825 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to wat tyler, 3, #212 of 2257 🔗

Lockdown 2 isn’t being obeyed anything like as much as the first one was. Any attempt at a Lockdown 3 will be even more ignored.

231895 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Edward, 4, #213 of 2257 🔗

Are shops and other businesses and meeting places staying open then? It’s one thing people not staying at home, but if the only place to go is work, then haven’t the government still ‘won’?

231901 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to wat tyler, 3, #214 of 2257 🔗

When he is finished lets hope he gets hunted down for crimes against humanity.

231410 ▶▶▶ Adam, replying to John Smith, 9, #215 of 2257 🔗

I agree 💯 the mood is turning against Johnson

231314 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Mark H, 7, #216 of 2257 🔗

We already know our phones and laptops and smart devices such as TV’s and Alexa listen to us. When will the Google Portaloo start watching you?

231327 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to chaos, 6, #217 of 2257 🔗

Laptops already do watch us. The little camera keeps resetting itself back on. Cover with tape if you don’t want to be watched.

231366 ▶▶▶ RyanM, replying to chaos, 12, #218 of 2257 🔗

Get rid of Alexa. Simple. You don’t have to play along.

231638 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to chaos, 1, #219 of 2257 🔗

Have I got to give up Google Portaloo too now? Ffs is there no depths these people will plumb?.. 😉

231318 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Mark H, 16, #220 of 2257 🔗

Not having a telly and not buying newspapers makes me largely immune to this sort of nonsense.
I do get exposed to offensive advertising on YouTube but can click it off after 4 seconds.
Today I was attacked by Boots the chemist trying to show me that their first priority was my ‘safety’ and that of their bemasked staff.

231561 ▶▶▶ Cbird, replying to karenovirus, 1, #221 of 2257 🔗

Me too. No unsubscribe option so I emailed back to tell them to unsubscribe me from their shite

231647 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to karenovirus, 1, #222 of 2257 🔗

Hi Karen, run an ad blocker or even use TOR = no more intrusive ads and much more privacy etc.
Arnie.

231326 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Mark H, 2, #223 of 2257 🔗

Great analysis. I totally agree. I hope you get that published somewhere for others to see. Put it on Facebook if not!

231349 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #224 of 2257 🔗

Agree. Send to Toby as well

231364 ▶▶ RyanM, replying to Mark H, 5, #225 of 2257 🔗

So tell them to fuck off and go have Christmas.

231377 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Mark H, 3, #226 of 2257 🔗

Yes, wrap it up in shiny plastic, make it look good and the masses will happily give away their privacy and freedoms. I have a friend who worked for NATO (cyber security) and she said she wouldn’t have one of these devices within two miles of her.

231396 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Mark H, 5, #227 of 2257 🔗

They can stick Facebook portal where the sun don’t shine

231510 ▶▶ Mrs S, replying to Mark H, 1, #228 of 2257 🔗

Fuck that.

231536 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Mrs S, #229 of 2257 🔗

I agree Mrs S.

231534 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to Mark H, 3, #230 of 2257 🔗

My family and All relatives have already said that Christmas will be the same as normal.

231545 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mark H, #231 of 2257 🔗

Excellent. These signals are dropped into our view and deserve exactly the kind of vigilance and scrutiny you’ve given it.

231550 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Mark H, 4, #232 of 2257 🔗

Wright is a bankrupt shill and all part of the pantomime, just like his mate lineker and every other collaborator.

Still, the narrative stinks of the long term plan to keep everyone locked in their prison. A jolly jape it is not

231599 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Mark H, 2, #233 of 2257 🔗

Evil BASTARDS

231891 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Mark H, 1, #234 of 2257 🔗

Note the ‘diversity’ in the casting too…

231898 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Carrie, 3, #235 of 2257 🔗

Adverts showing whites only confirm white supremacy apparently. If whites appear this must be in the form of a mixed race family…..someone I know in advertising actually told me this recently.

231959 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Borisbullshit, 1, #236 of 2257 🔗

Doesn’t surprise me – many years ago I did some TV and film acting, and one assistant director told me that the BBC had a rule that in every scene of their dramas there had to be at least one visible ethnic face (however unrealistic).

And when working on Casualty one day, a white director stopped filming because she decided the intensive care nurse in a scene should be black. The poor white extra who had been booked to be that ‘nurse’ (and who was one of the regular background artists) was sent off the set and the agency was called to try and urgently bring in a black ‘nurse’ instead…

232673 ▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Carrie, 1, #237 of 2257 🔗

Disgusting social engineering. I am sure they do the same the other way round in Nigeria…..not.

231307 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 57, #238 of 2257 🔗

Oh how I long to see Whitty and Vallance squirm in front of an inquiry chaired by Lord Sumption, forensically taken apart by a panel consisting of the likes of Heneghan, Gupta and Yeadon. How I long to see that mauling signal the end of their careers, the crushing of their reputations and hopefully provide the foundations for future criminal prosecution. One can only dream.

231309 ▶▶ Mark H, replying to Scotty87, 5, #239 of 2257 🔗

Their Davos/IMF/WEF/Gavi handles won’t allow that to happen.

231333 ▶▶ annie, replying to Scotty87, 13, #240 of 2257 🔗

It’ll happen. Either at Nuremberg or elsewhere.

231346 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to annie, 12, #241 of 2257 🔗

See all my comments below. Nothing will happen without popular support.

It’s down to us to create that popular support, one person by one person.

Before they test, vaccinate, and injur us all.

231579 ▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Scotty87, 1, #242 of 2257 🔗

Me too. Unfortunately I suspect they’ll end up in the House of Lords.

231324 Country Mumkin, 9, #243 of 2257 🔗

Great piece on Manchester Uni Will. Indeed they should be as mad as hell.

231325 Helen, replying to Helen, 16, #244 of 2257 🔗

NEW POLITICAL PARTY dieBasis

https://diebasis-partei.de

theBasis demands with regard to the current corona measures:

  • Immediate stop of all measures and start of a public scientific discussion
  • Immediate adjustment of the PCR tests
  • Legal reappraisal of the events in both civil and criminal law
  • dieBasis calls for the withdrawal of all amendments to the law and the powers of regulation issued in response to an epidemic situation of national importance.
231419 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Helen, 2, #245 of 2257 🔗

That is great news. Pressure and question

231775 ▶▶ Adam, replying to Helen, #246 of 2257 🔗

Britain needs a system like Germany’s we certainly should stop tolerating our outdated class system We need a written constitution and federal republic

231337 chaos, replying to chaos, 6, #247 of 2257 🔗

Julia Bullshit Brewer is very pro-establishment and pro-Biden this morning…

I seem to be drifting in and out of many different realities daily.

Good Julia.. bad Julia.. nice Julia.. haughty Julia.. anti-lockdown Julia.. nothing to see here Julia…

231343 ▶▶ The Spingler, replying to chaos, 5, #248 of 2257 🔗

I’m no Biden fan but Trump is not a force for good, despite his covid scepticism.

Commentator yesterday arguing that the US results actually the best combination for the Republicans. Control of the House, majority on the Supreme Court, only a narrow defeat by Trump who did far better than predicted, a democratic candidate who could barely beat him, but unpredictable and often destructive/damaging Trump out of the White House.

231352 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to The Spingler, -6, #249 of 2257 🔗

I’m not a fan of Biden either but I feel Trump is a bad man utterly devoid of morality and empathy.

231362 ▶▶▶▶ John Smith, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 1, #250 of 2257 🔗

Just like the rest of them then lol

231445 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to John Smith, #251 of 2257 🔗

I’d say the same about our leading politicians.

231790 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 1, #252 of 2257 🔗

Britain cannot pass judgement on other countries when what We have lumbered ourself with such a dickhead like BoZo

231388 ▶▶▶▶ JudgeMental, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 24, #253 of 2257 🔗

He’s one of the few presidents that hasn’t started a war

231884 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to JudgeMental, 5, #254 of 2257 🔗

And has actually done the opposite, brokering peace!

232261 ▶▶▶▶ Quernus, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 3, #255 of 2257 🔗

I used to think that until I started questioning from where I formed this opinion – the mainstream media. So I started following him myself, and the true picture is very different to that which we are told by the media. Yes, he’s arrogant, and I wouldn’t have him round for dinner, but he’s got to have a huge ego not to be sunk by all the vitriol and oppobrium heaped upon him from every quarter. My eyes have been opened.

231369 ▶▶▶ RyanM, replying to The Spingler, 14, #256 of 2257 🔗

We do not control the house. We control the Senate. And I half agree… If Biden really won, it wouldn’t be the end of the world. But if the left can pull off massive fraud, that is extremely dangerous… So it is absolutely necessary that this be punished, and hard, if true.

231389 ▶▶▶ Recusant, replying to The Spingler, 3, #257 of 2257 🔗

I am Trump curious, I strangely admire some aspects of his character – his perseverance, his independence and his humour – but stoking a “stab in the back” narrative is totally despicable, they never end well. I know that 100 million postal votes makes a mockery of an election, it is impossible to know if it is fair or not, but have some humility, get the country through it without stoking up raging gangs.

231530 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Recusant, 2, #258 of 2257 🔗

I suppose there’s an argument to be made about surrendering to injustice in order to avoid disorder, but it’s clear Trump and many around him are not the types to make that choice.

The people opposed to him, though, will not stop pushing until they are effectively resisted, though, so perhaps it’s more a case of having it out now versus appeasement?

231414 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to The Spingler, 1, #259 of 2257 🔗

There must be a better system of deciding the president of the most powerful country in the world than they currently have. Just look at the last 2 elections – Rock or Hard Place both times.

231458 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to The Spingler, 8, #260 of 2257 🔗

So, how many wars has damaging Trump started – as opposed to Creepy Joe?

231360 ▶▶ John Smith, replying to chaos, #261 of 2257 🔗

Yeah that’s right, she’s full of shit and not to be trusted.

231781 ▶▶ Adam, replying to chaos, #262 of 2257 🔗

America again has poor quality of candidates you can’t tell me they can’t find better than dumb and dumber

232679 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to chaos, #263 of 2257 🔗

She was very pro lockdown at first and had a fall out with her former Brexit campaigner James Delingpole. I used to like her but have increasingly thought she is not that bright and fails to join up the dots. At heart she is a big government nanny state controlled opposition type…and can be very hostile to anyone who dares to step outside her acceptable opinions.

231339 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 10, #264 of 2257 🔗

BBC R4 News 7am
Report on Manchester students tearing down fence given second billing each side given a fair hearing.

231495 ▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 2, #265 of 2257 🔗

A fair hearing! In the Beeb? Sure you didn’t dream it?

231342 The Dominie, replying to The Dominie, 19, #266 of 2257 🔗

I am appalled (though not surprised) to read this heart-breaking news this morning. Please can it be mentioned on LS tomorrow?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-54827702

Here are the first few sentences of the article:

There was an alarming 20% rise in babies being killed or harmed during the first lockdown, Ofsted’s chief inspector Amanda Spielman has revealed.
Sixty four babies were deliberately harmed in England – eight of whom died. Some 40% of the 300 incidents reported involved infants, up a fifth on 2019.
Ms Spielman believes a “toxic mix” of isolation, poverty and mental illness caused the March to October spike.
Health staff and social workers were hampered by Covid restrictions.
And many regular visits could not take place, while others were carried out remotely, using the telephone or video links.
When schools were closed in March children’s charities and teachers expressed fears that children at risk would be left even more vulnerable under lockdown. This was part of the reason schools stayed open to vulnerable children.
Ms Spielman will tell a conference of local authority leaders on Friday: “Of course, babies can’t tell an adult if there’s a problem.
“Often, abuse is only uncovered when there’s a critical injury, or it’s too late.”

231344 ▶▶ The Spingler, replying to The Dominie, 10, #267 of 2257 🔗

One of my neighbours is a pediatrician and she was saying exactly this back in the summer 😢 Yet more lockdowns ordered.

231358 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to The Spingler, 16, #268 of 2257 🔗

Boris doesn’t factor in negative impacts on children – as we know from his private life.

231357 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to The Dominie, 5, #269 of 2257 🔗

Yes, absolutely horrific. And remember that liar Whitty claimed all such negatives would be “on the Covid side” not the Lockdown side under his perverse logic…I say logic but the effer couldn’t even be arsed to explain his reasoning.

231384 ▶▶ alw, replying to The Dominie, 6, #270 of 2257 🔗

Confirmed by a paediatrician from one of London’s largest teaching hospitals I spoke with.

231409 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to The Dominie, 3, #271 of 2257 🔗

This horrible and another collateral damage as a result of this catastrophic lockdown.

Sadly I don’t think the government, their advisors and the lockdown zealots will care.

231565 ▶▶ peter, replying to The Dominie, 2, #272 of 2257 🔗

It’s all part of the covidhoax plan, the Great Reset Cull.

231779 ▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to The Dominie, 1, #273 of 2257 🔗

That’s terrible; sadly there are other appalling consequences for children of all ages. One pretty uncomfortable example I was made aware of are the thousands of children who have dropped out of school and are now the main source of income for unemployed families by working for county lines drug gangs.

231799 ▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Lyra Silvertongue, #274 of 2257 🔗

The Government needs holding accountable for what they are doing

232405 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to The Dominie, #275 of 2257 🔗

And this was entirely predictable. Indeed, predicted.

231345 David Mc, replying to David Mc, 14, #276 of 2257 🔗

Does Toby, or anybody else, keep a definitive list of those people in the public sphere who have stood up and been counted? The list, if you will, of those who you would want beside you in the trenches? The wheat, sorted from the chaff? I’ll start:

Peter Hitchens
Van Morrison
Neil Oliver (the Scottish historian who does ‘Coast’)
Richard Madeley
David Hockney (wrote a letter to the Torygraph right at the start of all of this)
Allison Pearson
Liam Halligan
Georgio Agamben
Bernard-Henri Levy
Mike Yeadon
James Delingpole
Devina McCall (I think)

Who else?

231355 ▶▶ Simon Cook, replying to David Mc, 6, #277 of 2257 🔗

Good morning David

OffGuardian (along with P Hitchens) called it right from the start. So did Charlotte Gracias. Neil Clark followed suit in the early spring after initially backing the wrong horse. Medialens still continue to avoid the reality in front of their eyes – a real kick in the gut for many people, myself included.

Appreciate you may be looking for more well-known voices though!

Best regards

Simon

231380 ▶▶ alw, replying to David Mc, 2, #278 of 2257 🔗

Anthony Narula

231413 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to David Mc, 9, #279 of 2257 🔗

Right Said Fred
Denise Welch
Kirstie Allsopp
Will Carling

231473 ▶▶▶ LS99, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #280 of 2257 🔗

Denise Welch, absolutely. She deserves high praise – she’s well informed, brave and sticks to the facts.

231484 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to LS99, 2, #281 of 2257 🔗

And she expresses herself in a calm and knowledgeable way.

233117 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Bart Simpson, #282 of 2257 🔗

Noel Gallagher

231420 ▶▶ Fiat, replying to David Mc, 8, #283 of 2257 🔗

I think Matt le Tissier is a skeptic

231433 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Fiat, 9, #284 of 2257 🔗

Yes, and Peter Ebdon
The Corrs
Ian Brown
The Gallagher brothers
Lord Sumption

231574 ▶▶ Cbird, replying to David Mc, 2, #285 of 2257 🔗

Carol McGiffin, Denise Welch, Will Carling, Van Morrison,

231587 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to David Mc, 2, #286 of 2257 🔗

Peter ebdon
Vernon Coleman
Right said fred

231877 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to David Mc, #287 of 2257 🔗

Denise Welch, Kirsty Allsopp
Anna Brees

231926 ▶▶ Alan P, replying to David Mc, 2, #288 of 2257 🔗

Me!

232012 ▶▶ Laurence, replying to David Mc, 1, #289 of 2257 🔗

Also Mike Levitt and, most importantly of all:

ANDERS TEGGART

232257 ▶▶ Quernus, replying to David Mc, #290 of 2257 🔗

Simon Dolan

232286 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to David Mc, 1, #291 of 2257 🔗

Richie Allen. His radio show is well worth a listen and he’s had many fellow sceptics on.

233120 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Chicot, #292 of 2257 🔗

Richie is pisht off with the endless coronabollax, nearly chucked it in. but is soldiering on with a bit less etc.. for sanity!

231351 Nicky, replying to Nicky, 16, #293 of 2257 🔗

“It was meant to protect students from non university visitors”
The Russians said something similar after erecting the Berlin Wall! What’s next, watch towers and guns? Students can learn from history now and start digging the tunnels.

231417 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Nicky, 6, #294 of 2257 🔗

Ha ha so after hundreds of years, students now suddenly needs protection from visitors….

231477 ▶▶ LS99, replying to Nicky, 1, #295 of 2257 🔗

That’s classic doublespeak!

231707 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Nicky, 1, #296 of 2257 🔗

You’re right. The DDR government’s official name for it was the “anti-fascist protection wall” https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifaschistischer_Schutzwall

231361 DeepBlueYonder, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 8, #297 of 2257 🔗

The BBC reports that:

“Denmark will cull all its mink – as many as 17 million – after a mutated form of coronavirus that can spread to humans was found on mink farms.

“But cases are spreading fast in Denmark – 207 mink farms in Jutland are affected – and at least five cases of the new virus strain were found. Twelve people had become infected , the authorities said.

“a government report […] said the mutated virus had been found to weaken the body’s ability to form antibodies, potentially making the current vaccines under development for Covid-19 ineffective .”

It is becoming increasingly difficult to process what is happening.

231374 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 4, #298 of 2257 🔗

This doesn’t really make any sense – is this a mutated form of SARS-CoV-2 which has somehow gone from humans to mink and back again, or an entirely new coronavirus? Wtf is going on?

231412 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Poppy, 6, #299 of 2257 🔗

New angle to start more fear porn

231431 ▶▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to Victoria, 3, #300 of 2257 🔗

I totally agree, it’s just fearmongering rubbish which is why it makes absolutely no sense.

231472 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Poppy, 2, #301 of 2257 🔗

Like everything since March then really

231531 ▶▶▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Poppy, 7, #302 of 2257 🔗

I cannot agree with the comments about this. This new development can in the end be advantageous for lockdown sceptics and covid vaccine sceptics. Posted several links yesterday which outline this. The C-19 infection spread to minks and in them there was a mutation of the virus which then was transmitted back to humans. There was no indication of more severe illness amongst the 12 persons so far affected in Jutland. The concern is that antibodies to the spike protein had been changed which could indicate that the current vaccines could already be useless if this strain spreads. This is bad news for Big Pharma if it happens. The Danish government’s now culling of 17 million minks and sending special team to track and trace for the infected will not stop any spread as shown before as contact tracing is useless. The ease which human-animal-human infection occurs with C-19 just shows that it is impossible to stop the virus. It is going to be endemic with us like our other coronaviruses. We want the house of cards (the whole idiotic pandemic response) to fall and this might help it.

232055 ▶▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to Poppy, #303 of 2257 🔗

I’ll bet they wanted to get rid of minks anyway. Are they considered a pest there?

231394 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 5, #304 of 2257 🔗

The sustainable world group are all mad, they will tear down the world to achieve the world they think they want, unless they are stopped.

231438 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Dan Clarke, 9, #305 of 2257 🔗

Covid is a massive cover for the insane green agenda,which itself was a scam to enslave us all.

231509 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Dan Clarke, #306 of 2257 🔗

Yes but like the screaming spoilt children they are it won’t be what they wanted & so the cycle will endlessly repeat with many, many, deaths.

What’s not to like?

231411 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to DeepBlueYonder, #308 of 2257 🔗

Interesting especially as there is currently no proof that Covid-19 exists (the virus has not been ‘spliced’). Eagerly await proof of exactly what it is.

231513 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Victoria, -1, #309 of 2257 🔗

It’s flu and pneumonia with a groovy new Halloween name…

231460 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to DeepBlueYonder, #310 of 2257 🔗

Just did a quick domain check… fearpornhub.com is taken. Bummer, could have been a moneymaker

231470 ▶▶ rose, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 4, #311 of 2257 🔗

If a paw paw and a banana can test positive for Covid 19, I’m sure a mink can

232289 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to DeepBlueYonder, #312 of 2257 🔗

How long before there are demands for the culling of dogs and cats? Absolutely nothing would surprise me anymore.

231365 Mike Collins, replying to Mike Collins, 37, #313 of 2257 🔗

My faith in the young people of Manchester has been totally restored. Surely it’s time that we all started to tear down the fences this idiot Government have erected around our lives. Hopefully our future leaders will be drawn from groups like we’ve seen tearing down the fence.

231376 ▶▶ Stelld, replying to Mike Collins, 7, #314 of 2257 🔗

Excellent, any more of this nonsense, I would suggest you all go to your family homes refuse to pay fees and put claims in for misrepresentation. The prospectus did not promise you all this bull—-.

231378 ▶▶ alw, replying to Mike Collins, 26, #315 of 2257 🔗

Given the coverage given in the MSM today can’t see Lockdown 2 lasting. If Boris and government won’t end, the public will tear down the barriers. Three cheers and more for the students in Manchester and the protests in London last night. Hopefully we will see more in the coming days.

231381 ▶▶ Scouse Sceptic, replying to Mike Collins, 10, #316 of 2257 🔗

Delighted to see the students finally taking some action and showing their frustration.

231375 Adam, 11, #317 of 2257 🔗

This nonsense cannot go on much longer covid19 I believe was downgraded in March at the height of this, well done to the Students in Manchester if there is going to be any fightback at this useless Government and opposition Labor party get the Young on side https://www.saveourrights.uk

231383 Bart Simpson, 27, #318 of 2257 🔗

As an alumni of Manchester University well done to the students for fighting back and shame on Dame Nancy Rothwell for her weasel words. They never cared about students’ welfare and its time for them to understand that students also need emotional and psychological support from them too. They’re simply no cash cows.

231393 Coronamoana, replying to Coronamoana, 35, #319 of 2257 🔗

This is becoming increasingly depressing. Everything is wrong: predictions are wrong, the PCR tests are wrong, the modelling is wrong, hospital admissions reporting is wrong, classification of death is wrong, claims that face masks, distancing and lockdown work are wrong…. And now all of this is being portrayed more and more in the media.

And yet the government continues on its course, blindly ignoring all the negative outcomes: job losses, poor mental health, increase in deaths from other diseases, disrupted education, criminalisation of normal human behaviour, and a complete trashing of social life.

I am in despair.

231401 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Coronamoana, 4, #320 of 2257 🔗

Its either Fear or Money or both

231430 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Coronamoana, 11, #321 of 2257 🔗

The tide is turning. Too slowly for our liking, but it is turning. KBO.

231471 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Julian, 4, #322 of 2257 🔗

Yes. Compared the feel between the two incarcerations.

231549 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to annie, 4, #323 of 2257 🔗

From what I’ve seen yesterday less people are complying and the fact that cafes & restaurants were open for takeaway as well as offices not 100% shut makes a difference.

231583 ▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #324 of 2257 🔗

Need to get rid of the masks. Get rid of them and it’s over

232096 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to stefarm, #325 of 2257 🔗

YES! absolutely right – but for that to happen Sage has to be disbanded and reformed. Then the messages about risk changed. How bloody likely is that?

231526 ▶▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to Julian, 2, #326 of 2257 🔗

Yes, I sense that too. There are signs that the edifice is beginning to crumble.

231476 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to Coronamoana, 5, #327 of 2257 🔗

Turn your despair in energy. Use that negative energy for good. Fight the good fight.
Arnie.

232112 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Arnie, #328 of 2257 🔗

What is the “good” fight?

231399 TJN, replying to TJN, 30, #329 of 2257 🔗

I don’t think I’ve ever woken up to a more depressing set of headlines.

I don’t mean the nominal result of the US election – I mean the frighteningly plausible accusations of election fraud. And here the frighteningly plausible accusations – no, proof – of the blatantly dishonest presentation of statistics and science so as to justify taking centuries-old liberties from the English people. And, with a few honourable exceptions, our MPS going along with it.

It’s as if the governments and institutions in the English-speaking world have plumbed the depths of dishonest depravity one would normally associate with failed states.

Heaven only knows where this ends. On the streets I guess.

231415 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to TJN, 8, #330 of 2257 🔗

Heaven only knows where this ends.
Compulsory lessons in Mandarin so we can read and listen to the dictats of our new leaders in their original format. Welcome to colony no 5 of the peoples republic of China. Colonialism has not finished it is just that it is not done with Gun-Boats anymore it is all much more cunning and subtle but even more effective.

231448 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to TJN, 4, #331 of 2257 🔗

European wide lockdown 2.0 all coincided with the elections. Yesterday, as the situation in the US looked to be dragging on into the New Year, more funny money is found by brand Rishi and March is more or less officially announced.

Probably all coincidence

231400 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 21, #332 of 2257 🔗

Students should walk away this year, leave the ‘Uni’s to sink, most of them were built on Blair’s dodgy plans anyway, turning polytech’s into Uni’s overnight, turning polytech teachers into Uni lecturers overnight. Universities might mean what they used to mean when the dross is cleared.

231422 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Dan Clarke, 12, #333 of 2257 🔗

Agree that universities should be left to sink. When this is over, Imperial should be defunded and closed then followed by fruitcake universities such as SOAS.

231469 ▶▶ annie, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #334 of 2257 🔗

The dross is just as drossy in Oxford and Cambridge as in the grottiest ex-Poly.
Trahison des faux clercs.

231793 ▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Dan Clarke, #335 of 2257 🔗

Agree, although UofMan is a proper red-brick establishment from the 19th century, not a jumped-up poly.

231402 PompeyJunglist, replying to PompeyJunglist, 44, #336 of 2257 🔗

Good morning all.

232375 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to PompeyJunglist, 2, #337 of 2257 🔗

“I’m sorry Sir, I can hear you clearly which must mean you are in breach of the new Indoor Mask Application Regulations. Please put down the phone and surrender yourself at the nearest police station. “

231408 alw, replying to alw, 4, #338 of 2257 🔗

Wales. 😭

231421 ▶▶ CGL, replying to alw, 1, #339 of 2257 🔗

WHY????

231601 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to alw, 1, #340 of 2257 🔗

Jesus. What will it take for people to lose it

231858 ▶▶ Professor, replying to alw, 1, #341 of 2257 🔗

It is astonishing how little pushback there is about this. Perhaps with everything else that is going on the draconian measures being enacted in Wales do not seem particularly out of line. Over to you now Nicola, surely you cannot allow the Welsh to steal a march on you.

231416 Ned of the Hills, 3, #342 of 2257 🔗

Given all that is outlined in the first piece above – viz:-
“Government Slammed By Experts For Repeated Failings on Data Used For Lockdown”
there should be some serious political repercussions if in the next two weeks figures for hospital admissions and deaths show no dramatic increase

231418 Laurence, replying to Laurence, 11, #343 of 2257 🔗

DJ Austin

You’ve been very quiet over the last day or so.

Whitty and Vallance have showed out of date figures to the nation in justifying this ridiculous lockdown, and still Boris goes ahead.

Euromomo figures show death rates are no higher, or at worst insignificantly higher, than for a normal year at this time in UK and France.

The NHS was not at all overburdened even when there was a real pandemic.

The disease, as you’re fully aware, is now endemic so basically should be treated the same as flu.

The King’s College report from the App show the ‘peak’ has already passed.

There is overwhelming evidence that a lockdown achieves nothing, or possibly makes the situation worse (see my previous emails).

Week 43 emergency procedures were down by over 40% from last year. The NHS continues to be a national disgrace.

You must know all this – you’ve looked at it in more detail than I.

Think about the country, about the young, about people’s jobs, about cancer patients.

Do the right thing and protest this ridiculous lockdown.

231439 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Laurence, 1, #344 of 2257 🔗

It isn’t just DJ Austin that’s gone quiet. 😉

232359 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to PoshPanic, #345 of 2257 🔗

Maybe they’re on manouevres in Liverpool?

231468 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to Laurence, #346 of 2257 🔗

Who is DJ Austin? Sorry so many threads, such rich pickings for us critics, or maybe I’m just a little dim (but nice!).
Arnie.

231490 ▶▶▶ Laurence, replying to Arnie, 1, #347 of 2257 🔗

Just someone who replied to a previous comment of mine and I’ve been exchanging comments with

231500 ▶▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Laurence, #348 of 2257 🔗

Ok ta. Arn.

232287 ▶▶ djaustin, replying to Laurence, #349 of 2257 🔗

Sorry, have a day job! The projection of 4000 deaths per day was nonsense, should never have been used. That specific model only appears useful for a two week projection and clearly has sensitivities that should be better understood. The mid-term projections (out to six-weeks) have tended to track the data very well. The debate above is about the variability in those projections between models, not whether things will improve. It’s a technical argument really. Predicting that admissions and deaths will approximately match the April peak by year end is relatively straightforward based on rates of growth of hospital admissions (deaths just follow a week later). Predicting the size of the peak is very challenging, although Scotland, NI and Wales are turning over with recent restrictions. It is possible that Tier 3 with schools open may just about control spread. Tier 1 most definitely does not appear to on its own. The previous lockdown shows that the epidemic will shrink – perhaps with a tiny amount of immunity playing a role, but this is not proven . The ONS survey will show things turn over in a week to 10 days.

England and Wales mortality for Week 43 was higher than any same week in the past 10 years, Week 44 (ended last Friday) will also be the same or worse next Tuesday. By Christmas we will see about 20-25% excess mortality, buy I expect to see a flattened curve.

I think about young people and their jobs everyday, and I lost half my family to cancer – I have plenty of skin in that game, thanks!

231423 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 10, #350 of 2257 🔗

The new lockdown regulations provide for support groups of up to 15 people

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1324450569277362181

231444 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Victoria, 10, #351 of 2257 🔗

Well done them!! I believe that there was a gym in Poland that renamed itself The Church of the Healthy Body in order to do the same and provide mental health support for its members,

231463 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to Victoria, 5, #352 of 2257 🔗

And there was the sweetshop yesterday that had to close down yesterday that started selling fruit & veg that then became ‘essential’.

This is the start of something big. Ok I’d rather we went full on rebellion personally but this is the next best thing.

Let the morons write the rules & tie themselves up in knots then let us lot (millions of us) interpret the rules to our advantage.

I can see a website or two coming although unfortunately I’m not clever enough, any takers?..

231479 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Arnie, 4, #353 of 2257 🔗

Maybe independent book shops should start doing that if they want to survive – sell food alongside books, stationery and gifts.

231578 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Victoria, 3, #354 of 2257 🔗

Gyms and dance studios can be used by professional dancers/choreographers for rehearsals etc. So lets say every gym owner, announces they’re going to put a show on next summer and everybody is coming in for “rehearsal”? Might work?

231766 ▶▶ VickyA, replying to Victoria, 2, #355 of 2257 🔗

Great. I just fed that information to a therapy centre I used to attend that was a lifeline for people with long term chronic illness and has been shut since March, more or less.

231424 Coronamoana, replying to Coronamoana, 24, #356 of 2257 🔗

I’m a private tutor. I was speaking to one of my students aged 14 yesterday about her school experience.

Two teachers at the school have tested positive so other teachers are isolating and there is reduced staffing. Lessons are conducted in the classroom via zoom. Everybody has a laptop, but no headphones, so there are 30 simultaneous transmissions. Even when teachers are present, students do their work on laptops and speak to the teacher via chat. They are not allowed to use books and paper. The textiles teacher recognised the idiocy of not being able to use sewing machines – she had been told they needed to do their work on the computer! – and removed the machines from the cupboard where they had been locked away. However, she is not allowed to help them as she has to remain behind the rope. What kind of madness is all of this?

On the positive side, the student did say that her peers are becoming angry as it doesn’t make sense. She asked me why her friend could no longer come back to her house after school when she had been sitting next to her for the best part of the day in the classroom.

What with year groups being sent home because a child coughs or children being kept off school because they or a family member are isolating, there appears to be very little education occurring in these disruptive circumstances. It seems to me that the whole system has completely broken down, with those in authority being ultra-precautious to avoid extreme criticism, throwing their brains out of the window in the process.

Has anybody in the government/SAGE got any idea what is happening in the real world, the one far removed from their PowerPoint slides?

231464 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to Coronamoana, 25, #357 of 2257 🔗

A friend of mine has a daughter in the sixth form. They are not allowed to leave the school at lunchtime, which was a privilege that means a lot to youngsters at that age. Then in school they are tested every week in case the exams are cancelled again, to make sure they have evidence. That poor generation, who are not risk of covid, are being stressed out of their brains, their Saturday jobs are gone, any sports they play are banned, university is nothing to look forward to and looming in front of them for the rest of their working lives is a massive pile of debt to pay for furlough they never got and track and trace that never worked.

I don’t care how many old people die in trolleys in hospital corridors, it’s not right what we are doing to that generation, it’s not right.

231486 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Recusant, 9, #358 of 2257 🔗

My daughters are both in exam years and are stressed beyond belief by not knowing what is going to happen.
The GCSE daughter hates it that she now has to panic for every test she does because it will all go towards her predicted grade if exams don’t go ahead. The whole year is a test – how can they not be stressed for even 1 day?

231516 ▶▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to Recusant, 15, #359 of 2257 🔗

My concern is for the teenagers from abusive or neglectful homes, or those with parents who don’t value education (and the hysterics shouting for schools to be closed indicate that there are plenty of those).
University is their one chance of escape. It was mine and I have never been happier than I was on that train going north to Durham over 42 years ago.
Education needs a complete overhaul after this. Get rid of ‘woke’ and bring back properly taught literacy and numeracy, books rather than computers, music and poetry rather than BLM.
Bring back grammar schools and grants, so that anyone with ability, whatever their background, can use education to achieve escape and social mobility. And insist that British universities, at undergraduate level at any rate, should prioritise students from British schools.

232711 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Caroline Watson, 1, #360 of 2257 🔗

Wow great thoughts….spot on!

231527 ▶▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to Recusant, 5, #361 of 2257 🔗

And the irony is that one of my contemporaries at my Durham college was Nick Gibb, the current Schools Minister. Several months ago, he was opposed to masks in schools and was adamant that they should be reopened as soon as possible. Now he has disappeared. Where is he?!

232707 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Recusant, 1, #362 of 2257 🔗

Agree entirely…..but anyone who expresses that view in the media or in polite society gets hosed down in green slime. That never stops me expressing it though…people need to hear it and think!

231481 ▶▶ annie, replying to Coronamoana, 5, #363 of 2257 🔗

Time to start an LD tutor bank? Plenty of expertise among us.
French or Spanish, anyone in SW Wales?

231507 ▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to annie, #364 of 2257 🔗

I know an excellent Spanish teacher in Pembrokeshire

231540 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Melangell, #365 of 2257 🔗

N po, I mean I am one! Not excellent, but willing.

232718 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to annie, #366 of 2257 🔗

Well, how about setting up a translation team? There’s very little exchange between English material and French/Spanish. Surely that would strengthen our cause?

232717 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to annie, #367 of 2257 🔗

I am Maths in Shropshire and Staffordshire.

231621 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Coronamoana, 2, #368 of 2257 🔗

These rules are just fucking insane. The fools that support it need to be put in jail. The Bastards. Take your kids out of these schools NOW. FFS!

232703 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Coronamoana, 1, #369 of 2257 🔗

I am a private tutor too and get very familar feedback from my students…..they are sick to death of it all.

232710 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Borisbullshit, #370 of 2257 🔗

Are the students going to become Sceptics like us? Start investigating, asking questions, and taking action?

How about the law students? One would hope they would lead the way. There will be nothing to do for them if this does not get stopped soon. No rule of law means no lawyers required. Surely they can perceive that?

233362 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Rosie, #371 of 2257 🔗

I think some of them will be red pilled by this experience yes but many of the parents give them the ‘there is no alternative’ line. But there is always an alternative to doing something…..ie not doing it! I try to steer the parents towards scepticism but its an uphill struggle with some. They seem to think as you are a tutor you will be paranoid like the teachers!

231425 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 5, #372 of 2257 🔗

What matters is that the club membership are exemplary participants in the pantomime. Postcard from the Isle of Wight, a perfect description of virtue signallers everywhere. Most know it is madness but go along with it, maybe at the beginning, but after almost a year of this, it really is crazy. And time for people to wake up. We know that government would like a NWO, where we are micro managed from afar, and it will happen if we don’t wake up

231429 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Dan Clarke, #373 of 2257 🔗

You may be right, but my gut feel is that the PM and most others in senior positions would rather run their own show than take orders from afar.

231432 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Julian, #374 of 2257 🔗

They didnt mind getting their ‘orders’ from Brussels while continuing to manipulate it for their own benefit, while blaming others, which is most likely what will happen still, well its the nwo diktat’s not us.

231434 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #375 of 2257 🔗

That’s a fair point

I still think they are just following trends and jumping on bandwagons rather than actually following orders

We may never know

We can all agree they are evil whichever way you look at it

231426 Seansaighdeoir, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 17, #376 of 2257 🔗

After 8 months of ‘pandemic’, fear and mis-information our company has finally decided that now is the right time for masks to be made mandatory on site. From Monday the 9th masks staff will be forced to wear masks on all UK sites. Although there have been a few ‘willing’ participants this was the moment I had expected and tbh somewhat dreaded.

Yesterday I checked with HR that although the memo says mandatory on site, the govt guidelines and exemptions will be respected. So that should prove a very interesting workplace next week. It has been bad enough in the shops lately where to see someone unmasked where I live is very rare. But to work now with the masked ‘masses’ inside the compound is not a nice concept.

It will be a difficult week next week.

231436 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 6, #377 of 2257 🔗

Absolutely pathetic that employers fail to do proper research and then endanger the life of their employees by effectively reducing their oxygen intake. Anyone pregnant should never wear a mask as the reduced oxygen intake affect the development of the baby especially the brain.

see law or fiction website
https://www.laworfiction.com/2020/09/face-covering-some-pretend-law/

The regulations do not and cannot trump discrimination law Anti-discrimination laws in the Equality Act 2010 cannot be overwritten by these regulations. The Equality Act provides fundamental protections for citizens with disabilities. These also overlap with rights to a privacy and autonomy having to be treated with reference to their disability (or, for that matter, their gender, race, sexuality etc.)
What should businesses do?Businesses and their staff are best advised not to challenge those who refuse to wear a face covering.  Otherwise, at some point in the day there is likely to be a time when someone with a disability is challenged. Depending on how the situation develops, and this could be within minutes or seconds, a situation may arise when the business, and the person conducting the challenge, may find they have committed:

  • an offence for which they are liable on summary conviction to pay a fine of up to £5,000 – section 112 (Aiding contraventions) of the Equality Act 2010; and/or
  • an act of disability discrimination and be ordered to pay to any individual who suffers injury to feelings compensation between £900 and £9,000 – section 119 (Remedies) of the Equality Act 2010

With that in mind, consider the following.

Standing up for others There will be real concern that those who are already vulnerable will be subject to harassment from those who do not appreciate their disability and who misunderstand that law. They may live to regret it since ignorance of the law will be no excuse when they find themselves in Court.
Those who support and stand up for the rights of others do not have to have a disability themselves in order be protected. The Equality Act 2010 provides protection for those who are treated unfavourably because of someone else’s disability, just as if the disability was theirs.

How to assert your reasonable excuse There will be many ideas about this. Suing should not necessary but no one likes the threat of litigation. We have provided a toolkit in Face covering: litigation threats and administrative headache . Also, and perhaps of wider application and defence against any proposed Fixed Notice Penalty for those who do not have a specific disability, do note: Low mood – a reasonable excuse to ignore coronavirus restrictions .

231504 ▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Victoria, 4, #378 of 2257 🔗

Brilliant thanks Victoria I look further into this.

What I didn’t add is that a lot of our work takes place inside an ‘air locked’ room where the air is continually recycled. This means that the people within that environment are all breathing the same air pumped around the facility so really anything airborne within there will be breathed in by everyone else. And still people sit in that space with masks on.

Just to add some interpretation suggests that you can remove the mask if seated.

Ridiculous.

231584 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Victoria, 1, #379 of 2257 🔗

Thanks. The standing up for others part is interesting

231451 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 4, #380 of 2257 🔗

Ask to see the risk assessment proving masks are safe. Look up the Employer Responsibilities on the HAS website. Employers have a duty of care regarding employees health. If they haven’t done. risk assessment covering the dangers of wearing masks then they are in breach of HSE laws.

231452 ▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to vargas99, #381 of 2257 🔗

*HAS website

231453 ▶▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to vargas99, #382 of 2257 🔗

=HSE!

231485 ▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to vargas99, 3, #383 of 2257 🔗

Thanks I raised that yesterday and asked to see the evidence. Managers went very quiet on this. HR were force to acknowledge exemptions but did not want to answer directly. They forced us to go via our line managers.

231459 ▶▶ annie, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 1, #384 of 2257 🔗

Risk assessment?

231482 ▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to annie, 3, #385 of 2257 🔗

I started to raise that yesterday with my manager and he went very quiet. HR have copped out with the guidelines really. Won’t make a pleasant working environment though. People there are largely covid ‘believers’.

231566 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 2, #386 of 2257 🔗

We have had instructions to wear masks at all times even if there are no patients. If someone has a problem wearing a mask they are to talk to their line manager who may refer them to occy health to see what can be done to protect the person.
someone has got it into their head that masks protect the wearer, and this is in a healthcare setting.

231593 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to p02099003, 1, #387 of 2257 🔗

They cannot make you wear one. And don’t let them away with the vsior compromise. Even the government have admitted they do nothing.

231589 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 2, #388 of 2257 🔗

Once colleagues see you not wearing one, they’ll ask why. If it’s not confrontational let them know there are exemptions for anyone who sees fit to assign themselves one.

It won’t be long before those that are just going along with it will stray to realise their compliance is just not required

232369 ▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #389 of 2257 🔗

I think it will be a mixed bag. There will be people that will be reached but there will be a majority who will see this as a threat. It will ramp up the tension though and make the working environment there pretty unpleasant.

231735 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 1, #390 of 2257 🔗

You can bet that they won’t have looked up the ‘the govt guidelines and exemptions’, so make sure you know.

232370 ▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #391 of 2257 🔗

I will be looking for opportunities to spread the word. For as long as I can remain anyway.

232013 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 1, #392 of 2257 🔗

Many of my colleagues wear masks even when out and about so not required to do so. None have dared ask why I do not though my office staff are aware of my Exempt status.

232376 ▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to karenovirus, 1, #393 of 2257 🔗

Its a male environment and there is a groupthink mentality. That will be a challenge to them and will ostracise me. It won’t be a pleasant place to work. They are already suggesting that this will be reviewed on the 2nd Dec which is corp speak for ‘this is proving successful and we have agreed to keep this in place.’ I think the writing will be on the wall in the long term.

231428 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 6, #394 of 2257 🔗

Lauren Fox trending on twitter today #PoppyStories and #RemembranceSunday

https://twitter.com/LozzaFox

231454 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to Victoria, 1, #395 of 2257 🔗

Do you think we will put monuments up to those who are dying from lockdowns?

Or will will there be too many names…

231462 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Arnie, 1, #396 of 2257 🔗

In terms of futility it’s certainly on a par with those mid-war offensives favoured by Haig, sending tens of thousands of young men to be machine gunned to death among the tangled barbed wire.

231478 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Arnie, 10, #397 of 2257 🔗

This is my tribute (with an image of poppies). Tried to attach the file but can’t upload a pdf:

In loving memory of my wonderful grandfather who fought for this country.

A country where it is now deemed acceptable for the police to harass someone for showing empathy to a fellow human being.

I will endeavour to protect the liberty you and others fought for and which others are now so casually surrendering.

231600 ▶▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to kh1485, 2, #398 of 2257 🔗

Good post. Moving – we should all be moved by this.

231440 Nsklent, replying to Nsklent, 5, #399 of 2257 🔗

Great bit of misleading propaganda by DT headline. Headline states fines will issued for those travelling abroad, flights banned until 2nd December. As this was different to what I had read on the gov website, I read on.

‘England’s four-week national lockdown begins today, meaning both domestic and international holidays are banned until at least December 2’.

Then a complete contradiction, though most people will only have seen the headline

‘While no specific ban on leaving the country is included in the lockdown legislation, anyone leaving home without a reasonable excuse could face a fine that starts at £200 and doubles for subsequent offences.’

231466 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Nsklent, 10, #400 of 2257 🔗

You can travel to Switzerland to commit suicide, Hancock said it was OK, so you only get fined if you have change of heart and come back again!

231544 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #401 of 2257 🔗

Can we send him there?

231704 ▶▶▶▶ Sue, replying to annie, 2, #402 of 2257 🔗

we could set up a crowd fund to finance his trip!

231594 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #403 of 2257 🔗

Is it just me that thinks this little muppet is so twisted, that this was his idea of a sick joke?

232002 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Nsklent, #404 of 2257 🔗

I doubt if a £200 fine will trouble the high and mighty overmuch.

231443 chaos, replying to chaos, 8, #405 of 2257 🔗

Good news everyone!

In our battle with the covid enemy we have inadvertently defeated flu.

231449 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to chaos, #406 of 2257 🔗

Do I need locking up as a heretic? I had pneumonia three weeks ago…

231455 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Arnie, 1, #407 of 2257 🔗

“It’s all on the Covid side” according to Twhatty.

231456 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Arnie, 1, #408 of 2257 🔗

You have covid. We all do. Now get back in your hut.

231447 chaos, 14, #409 of 2257 🔗

More good news everyone!

In our battle with the covid enemy we have inadvertently defeated flu. Also, dying from a fall or car accident, and cancer. If we can find the fragments of the ‘nothing’ in you when we do our PCR abracadabra jingle jangle now then now then. old.. new.. old.. new normal. If the ‘nothing’ is in you when you are admitted to one of our shining Tik Tok hospitals.. that’s what you is got, that is what you are in for. Even if you came in to have a baby.

The Great Reset New Normal – so good, we have to lie about it!

231457 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 8, #410 of 2257 🔗

The item above on vitamin D is all the more ironic as the care home generation being denied vitamin D at the end of their lives will be the post WW2 generation brought up on free NHS orange juice, cod liver oil and free school milk. It is crazy that the NHS advice is currently that everyone in the UK should take extra vitamin D but that as it is not actually prescribed by a GP the care home will not follow this advice and routinely give out vitamins!

My mum ended her days in a care home following a severe stroke but fortunately we had got power of attorney for health matters and the home took that very seriously and we were consulted and our views sought on mum’s care. The process of getting Power of Attorney is not easy or cheap, we did manage to do it ourselves but it is not an admin task for the feint-hearted.

I think the whole care home side of this virus hoo-haa does indicate that much more needs to be done to ensure the relatives of people in care homes do have power of attorney for health matters. We nearly did not bother with the PoA for health but in the end it was probably more crucial than the one for property. If the relatives do not have authority then it passes to the Council and bureaucracy takes over.

231487 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #411 of 2257 🔗

There is virtually no vitamin D in orange juice. I think they routinely fortify a lot of orange juice and most milk with vitamin D in the states. Perhaps they did that at one time in the UK? I don’t think that is routinely done here in the UK now because it would say so on the label. Though you can buy D enriched milk e.g. Arla Big Milk. If fortified all milk (skim, semi and full) often contain the same amount of added D. Naturally though, unfortified, whole full fat milk contains more because D is fat soluble.

Vitamin D is a hormone.. we manufacture D3 when exposed to UVB rays of the sun. Glass stops UVB, so you cannot make D3 behind glass, though UVA penetrates so you can get a suntan behind glass! The best non-sunshine forms of vitamin D3 are high fat foods because D3 is fat soluble hence we can store it in fat during the summer months. However our obsession with smearing each other and our kids with suntan lotions blocks UVB.. we humans really are twats.

231547 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to chaos, 1, #412 of 2257 🔗

The orange juice was for vitamin C. It was either orange juice or rose hip syrup, I remember the latter and Delrosa being advertised.
There’s no reason why a GP couldn’t prescribe vitamin D supplements, they can go off-piste.

231569 ▶▶▶▶ chaos, replying to p02099003, 2, #413 of 2257 🔗

I wouldn’t bother. You can get much better, cheaper and more potent vitamins on amazon or ebay or a health shop.. last time I looked the doctors in this country were restricted to prescribing 400IU tablets because of unfounded fears (flawed research) regarding overdose. You can make 20,000IU after an hour on a hot beach with no lotion on. Why pay £8 for a prescription for a month of vitamin D 400IU when the same price gets you as many as 180 x 5000IU capsules or tablets? Doctors rarely go off piste. There you lot go again.. thinking they think. They don’t. Drugs on the other hand.. ther’ll fill you up with drugs.

231606 ▶▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to chaos, 2, #414 of 2257 🔗

Indeed. Dr’s prescribe vitamin D2 a synthetic version that needs an extra step to metabolise in the body – they sometimes prescribe it in one massive dose a week/month – not recommended, rather take vitamin D3 every day. Vitamin D3 ‘absorb’ much better (no extra step) and is relatively inexpensive. Always take with vitamin K2 and Magnesium.

The RDA (recommended daily allowance) is so low it barely prevents rickets. Take at least 4,000IU per day. For those that are hesitant/influenced by scare stories from the medical profession, it is advisable to get a Vitamin D test to determine the base level and then adjust dose accordingly. If very low, take higher doses

231617 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Victoria, #415 of 2257 🔗

I routinely take 50,000IU every few days or so…

231795 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to Victoria, 1, #416 of 2257 🔗

The spray with 3000 ius in it is quick and easy

231551 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to chaos, 5, #417 of 2257 🔗

Wow, so if I take a long walk and eat sausages and cream cakes, I’ll live forever, or quite a long time?

231560 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to annie, 1, #418 of 2257 🔗

Sure will, the question is can any of us hang on long enough to outlive these lock-downs?

231552 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to chaos, 1, #419 of 2257 🔗

I’m in North Devon UK, I do not know what was in the free NHS orange juice and whether it had vitamin supplements? does anyone else remember it? it was very gloopy. I think it was the free NHS cod liver oil that was supposed to provide vitamin D, it was so awful I seem to recall they had to flavour it with malt before anyone could swallow it!

231643 ▶▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Steve Martindale, #420 of 2257 🔗

Well I know we used to add iodine (potassium iodide) to some foods e.g. bread and salt (iodized salt).. they stopped doing that in the UK again because the nanny state in its infinite wisdom seemingly got nervous over a very flawed study… I know that we added vitamin D to milk in the 1930’s and this seemed to put a stop to Rickets.. I guess we put it in other products as well. But along comes a bad D study.. and bam.. they took it out again.. then a few years ago, in recognition that most people iin North West Europe like the UK are deprived of sun. they started talking about putting back in again, in flour etc. But as usual.. just talk.. they’d rather make money from vaccines. They’d rather treat illnesses than cure them.

231498 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #421 of 2257 🔗

I am going to buy my 81 year old Granny some Vitamin D supplements.

231518 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Janice21, #422 of 2257 🔗

Lindens are good.. made in Osset, Yorkshire.. buy vitamin K2 also (works with D3).. and get her a good vitamin supplement to go with the D3. I use peak supps, bodybuilding warehouse, pheonix, redwells, pure source, bulk powders, Lindens, …

231848 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to chaos, 1, #423 of 2257 🔗

Higher Nature and Big Vits UK are good online shops 🙂
Also Powerbody; even though they are mainly aimed at the sports/bodybuilding market, they also do a lot of other good supplements at a competitive price.

231869 ▶▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Carrie, #424 of 2257 🔗

Good Health Naturally
https://goodhealthnaturally.com

NutriVital (also some Mercola products)
https://shop.nutrivital.co.uk

231804 ▶▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to Janice21, 1, #425 of 2257 🔗

Get her the spray. She will remember to just squirt it on her tongue every morning. She will need at least 3-4000 a day for a while to build it up. When I took lower doses (recommended) I could never reach the right level, then I took 10,000 ius for a few months and went right up. Haven’t had a sniffle since.

231461 chaos, replying to chaos, 1, #426 of 2257 🔗

Julia Fartley Brewer in full on establishment shill-mode this morning.

231465 ▶▶ CGL, replying to chaos, #427 of 2257 🔗

yeah – radio silenced today!

231492 ▶▶ Chris Hume, replying to chaos, 2, #428 of 2257 🔗

Really?

She’s usually excellent. What was she saying?

231501 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Chris Hume, 2, #429 of 2257 🔗

blah blah no basis for election fraud… blah blah orange man bad…

231559 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to chaos, 5, #430 of 2257 🔗

To be fair to her, she has been consistently (since 2016) anti-Trump. She is likely neutral on Biden, but it will not be long before she starts ranting about President Harris!

231865 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #431 of 2257 🔗

The evidence of fraud on a massive scale (which Twitter has gone into overdrive to block) is very clear.

Richard Baris (peoples_pundit on Twitter) has done videos showing how the stats do not match his research and also how many dead people have voted. On screen he searches people’s names and can show when they applied and when they voted and who signed off receipt of the vote. Then he shows you when they died – in one case the man died in 1984!

I saw a list elsewhere of over 4600 people who would be over 110 years old (many even older) for whom absentee ballots have been received and counted.

Statistically, that batches of upwards of 130,000 votes at a time are being ‘found’, 100% of which are for Biden, and every time Trump starts to lead again, is impossible.

And why shut out observers if there is nothing to hide?

231672 ▶▶▶▶ Chris Hume, replying to chaos, 10, #432 of 2257 🔗

She is doing a brilliant job of eviscerating ministers and stooges, and promoting Heneghan and Yeadon. To be honest I don’t care what she says about US politics too much. In many ways, if she was following a pro-Trump line, that might be damaging to her advocacy of lockdown scepticism. It might alienate a lot of people who might otherwise listen more intently to what she’s saying on Covid, and also allow opponents to focus on that issue rather than the Covid stuff.

231972 ▶▶▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Chris Hume, 2, #433 of 2257 🔗

Well said Chris , J H B has done loads to help the cause and done a great job challenging the P C R test and challenging ministers .Also promoting people like Mike Yeadon and publicising this horrendous story of the woman arrested for trying to take her mother out of the care home . That she isn’t a full on Trump supporter is welcoming as it shows that we who are resisting lockdown are a broad church .

231987 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to chaos, #434 of 2257 🔗

Pieres Morgan is on Jeremy Vines show right now dissing Trump when just like week he was boasting about how ‘his friend’ had telephoned him to ask his advice.

231488 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #435 of 2257 🔗

Work up with some insight about the regime today. What do you think to this?

I think I see what the war footing may be.

Global facist domination through WEF of europe, UK and some commonwealth countries

Vs

Global communist / China domination through WHO of America and more generally the west

Of course no freedom or democracy in there, just a fight for who wins the domination, but does this ring true for anyone?

231541 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #436 of 2257 🔗

Yes, which makes the US election all the more important.

231554 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Londo Mollari, #437 of 2257 🔗

Ok, thanks. How do you see this playing out? And are you doing anything to prepare personally for it?

231602 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #438 of 2257 🔗

I see them as two sides of the same coin. The Chinese have been allowed to become a superpower as the represent everything that the globalists want. Communist enslavement.

We are now the enemy.

231675 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to JHuntz, #439 of 2257 🔗

I see what you mean. Having these conversations, I find it so strange that many feel that this is predominantly about a virus. It will be very traumatic for them, when they do realise.

231808 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Country Mumkin, #440 of 2257 🔗

Oceania, Eurasia and Eastasia.

231494 Janice21, replying to Janice21, 21, #441 of 2257 🔗

So my mother in law who has mostly been taken in by the Covid mania and been afraid to have us and the kids inside her house since the beginning of the so called ‘second wave’ in September, is now getting fed up, says she misses the grandkids like crazy and has invited us for dinner on Sunday. I think my father in law is becoming a little sceptic himself and has helped calm her hysteria.

231505 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Janice21, 4, #442 of 2257 🔗

slowly slowly catchy monkey see monkey do

231528 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Janice21, 3, #443 of 2257 🔗

That’s great news! Have a lovely Sunday!!

231685 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Janice21, 8, #444 of 2257 🔗

My wife is slowly turning into a full blown sceptic too. She said she will take my daughter to see her mother ( she is recovering from cancer). i tried to be a bit mischievous and said but what about the lockdown and rules? Fuck the rules, she said, I will see my mum if I want too!! It’s been a long 7 months but slowly, slowly she is waking up.

231496 alw, 3, #445 of 2257 🔗

I am not on Twitter but an someone please post this on Boris, Hancock’s and every other MPs timeline.

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/covid-and-the-death-of-my-lovely-dad/

231502 Will, replying to Will, 9, #446 of 2257 🔗

Now they are saying the hospital admissions are irrefutable. They are not because no reference is made to the rate of hospital acquired infection. No reference is made to the rate of discharge of patients. And most importantly no reference is made to the patients who are in hospital for something completely irrelevant to Covid yet test positive for the virus.

231525 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Will, 11, #447 of 2257 🔗

Yes, this explains Professor Callum Semple’s comment that the biggest increase in Covid admissions is among women aged 20-40. Clearly his scientific ability does not stretch to the fact that if everyone is tested on admission, there will always be significantly more 20-40 year old women as men do not have babies (am I still allowed to say that?).

231591 ▶▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #448 of 2257 🔗

Isn’t the correct term “people with wombs,” now?

231752 ▶▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to Cicatriz, 2, #449 of 2257 🔗

And the others are wombats

231609 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #450 of 2257 🔗

But he’s a Professor, he’s scientifically proven to be cleverer than everyone else

231712 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #451 of 2257 🔗

Yes, TT, you most certainly are. And you are more qualified to do so than I am!

231679 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Will, 2, #452 of 2257 🔗

Not to mention the suggestion that as you move around a hospital you get counted as more than 1 admission, I am suspicious that is why they do not give discharge figures as they would not tally with the figure for total in hospital and death figures. In my view to get a true hospital picture you need to look at admissions, discharges, total in hospital and deaths, this virus hoo-haa has been characterized by single sets of data presented out of context.

231503 kf99, replying to kf99, 18, #453 of 2257 🔗

Another mention for Charles Walker’s speech yesterday as the video was posted quite late.

“I will not live in fear of the virus but I’m living in fear of something much darker – much darker – hiding in the shadows”

231546 ▶▶ chaos, replying to kf99, 4, #454 of 2257 🔗

he dare not speak its name…

231613 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to chaos, 3, #455 of 2257 🔗

. . not yet.

231577 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to kf99, 12, #456 of 2257 🔗

The politicians like him are at a crucial juncture. They’ve made their case in the commons, fair play. They’ve created factions of dissent. They’ve actively sought alternative opinions. But they now need to be on the streets with the people.

They need to take that next step and show true polticial leadership. I think we need that more than ever right now. They need to break ranks and let it be know on whose side they stand. If Walker did that now, he’d be earmarked for next PM

231838 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #457 of 2257 🔗

Good point. Yep I suspect his job as a constituency MP is pretty much permanently secure with his heartfelt and dedicated advocacy, esp for things like mental health – so he (imo) has little to lose by pushing forwards a bit more.

232246 ▶▶▶ Quernus, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #458 of 2257 🔗

Agreed. I wrote to Sir Desmond Swayne yesterday saying that the Tory party doesn’t deserve him, and I’d be first in line to vote for him if he set up his own party.

231624 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to kf99, 4, #459 of 2257 🔗

Thanks for posting, great speech!

231721 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to kf99, 3, #460 of 2257 🔗

This is an absolutely superb speech.

231506 rose, replying to rose, 4, #461 of 2257 🔗

What happened to all the protesters in Oxford Street last night?? We’re they all arrested?

231564 ▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to alw, 2, #463 of 2257 🔗

The Metropolitan Police said: “This gathering is unlawful

Surely they mean illegal?

231575 ▶▶▶▶ chris, replying to captainbeefheart, 8, #464 of 2257 🔗

Isn’t illegal a sick bird?

231610 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to chris, 1, #465 of 2257 🔗

Leave with your head bowed

231616 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to chris, 1, #466 of 2257 🔗

Heard worse.

231968 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to captainbeefheart, #467 of 2257 🔗

Yes, the Police would not concern themselves with something that was merely unlawful.

231529 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to rose, 7, #468 of 2257 🔗

Don’t know the feed went dead

The police barely coped last night.

Tonight will be a different kettle (sorry) of fish

Million mask rally Trafalgar Square 6pm

Will not be on the BBC so tune into ‘ruptly’ for a live feed

Freedom is within our grasp

231588 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to rose, 6, #469 of 2257 🔗

The police kettled them for 3+ hours from what I could see. Does this not constitute unlawful detention?

231970 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to JHuntz, #470 of 2257 🔗

Aiding and abetting actions liable to break the ‘Rule Of 6’.

231641 ▶▶ Sue, replying to rose, 6, #471 of 2257 🔗

I watched a video on another source – in one street police kettled a section of the protestors who by all accounts were not being violent. The police blocked both ends of the street with police and vans so the protestors couldn’t get out and locked in. It was a standoff like that for over 2 hours and arrests made but the video then timed out so not sure of the final outcome of those remaining in the middle.
Shocking tactics by the police – very totalitarian – i s this the kind of policing we want…they and the government are losing the confidence of society

231692 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Sue, 5, #472 of 2257 🔗

They arrested the protestors (all entirely peaceful) one by one after holding them on Oxford Street for over 2 hours. Another shameful night for the Met and Home Office.

Hundreds of police, a helicopter and police horses all used for for a couple of hundred peaceful protestors. Britain has gone full Melbourne.

231508 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 10, #473 of 2257 🔗

My brother in law’s partner’s daughter,son in law and grandson have tested “positive” for CV so he and his partner were instructed to self isolate and be tested and both received e-mails telling them that even if they test negative they still must self isolate for 12 days.
In the words of the immortal Bart Simpson:” You’re dammed if you do and you’re dammed if you don’t”

231706 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #474 of 2257 🔗

What is the worth of the test if you still have to isolate if negative???

231924 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #475 of 2257 🔗

EXACTLY!!!

231511 NickR, replying to NickR, 12, #476 of 2257 🔗

Yesterday’s hospital admission figures for England were delayed until 9:30pm last night, but make interesting viewing.
Send this to your MP. Hospital admissions were lower yesterday than for the prior 2 days. they’ve flatlined for 9 days.
Tier 3 restrictions had absolutely no impact, it takes 2 weeks for any such action to take effect & the Lockdown has had no impact.
How anyone can claim that this was running out of control & that by throwing 100,000’s out of work & impoverishing the country is likely to improve matters is just unbelievable.
Hospital bed occupancy fell again yesterday too!
We are being lied to.

231654 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to NickR, 3, #477 of 2257 🔗

Yep, but thank god now an awful lot more people are realising

231512 alw, 12, #478 of 2257 🔗

“Countries whose police forces break up protests violently and do so spouting state propaganda are not liberal democracies.
Lawyers and others who stand aside and greet this with silence – or, worse, …”

A thread from @Francis_Hoar
https://threader.app/thread/1324632577832030208

231515 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 14, #479 of 2257 🔗

The pig dictator is fully occupied producing grand plans

Next year he will be wearing prisoner number 276789/20

He just doesn’t know it yet

231708 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Cecil B, 2, #480 of 2257 🔗

‘fully occupied producing grand plans’ = snout deep in a trough of swill

231716 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Alethea, 2, #481 of 2257 🔗

I’ll do the pig jokes

231731 ▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Cecil B, 2, #482 of 2257 🔗

good morning Cecil B!

231519 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 6, #483 of 2257 🔗

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8917165/Hospitals-NO-busier-normal-experts-claim.html
The important thing to note is the Covid dashboard were not updated yesterday until 9.30pm.

231590 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to crimsonpirate, 2, #484 of 2257 🔗

Late press conference, perhaps they are having difficulties getting him out of the straight jacket?

231520 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 12, #485 of 2257 🔗

Nice one, UoM students. Today it’s over to you, Liverpudlians.

231556 ▶▶ Thumb, replying to mattghg, 11, #486 of 2257 🔗

Nice comment, but really it’s over to us. All of us.

231522 Sceptic in SA, replying to Sceptic in SA, 17, #487 of 2257 🔗

I’ve not commented on here before, but feel compelled to today. I live in South Africa now but work with some UK people. One of them made a comment that there could be 4,000 deaths a day, so I tentatively shared Mike Yeadon’s latest interview with Julia. I was pretty astonished by his reply. See transcript below, which seems now to have ended. I tried not to get into a big argument but you can see by what he said that his mind is made up
He would be considered high IQ and is an analyst by trade, which makes me even more shocked that he seems to believe the mainstream narrative. He’s probably now gone off thinking (and telling people) I’m some sort of looney. Luckily I couldn’t care less but if this is the way a supposedly intelligent person is thinking, I’m very worried

“Hi XXXX, not sure where you stand on this but if you’ve heard the “4,00 deaths a day” thing then you should listen to Mike Yeadon – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FQUmw5QljM&feature=youtu.be

HIM: He’s talking rubbish unfortunately. Particularly when he says there are no excess respiratory deaths in autumn.

ME: Do you disagree with what he says about the PCR test?

HIM: It’s widely acknowledged that there are issues with it

ME: Then if the false positive rate is so high, why base the entire strategy on it? Clearly we disagree but if I personally can’t see any justification for locking down, especially when the survival rate is over 99%

HIM: Getting on for 50,000 excess deaths is a good reason. Hospitals filling up (about 11,000 Covid patients in hospitals right now) is a good reason

ME: Even though there is no evidence that lockdowns make any difference?

HIM: Ask New Zealand if lockdowns make no difference

ME: Ha ha. Ask Sweden!

HIM: Ask Sweden about how their experiment lead to a greater death rate than neighbouring countries you mean?

ME: I personally don’t see how you can really argue with anything that Yeadon or Carl Heneghan has said, but clearly you don’t agree. Is all the collateral damage such as other untreated disease, education, economy destroyed etc etc really worth it. Makes no sense to me”

End of chat. Hard to believe, or maybe it’s not

231576 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Sceptic in SA, 3, #488 of 2257 🔗

What way are things in South Africa with Covid?

231592 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Sceptic in SA, 1, #489 of 2257 🔗

Good post. Enjoy the lovely sun

231678 ▶▶▶ Sceptic in SA, replying to Victoria, 3, #490 of 2257 🔗

Ha Ha. Check the Cape Town weather forecast today!
Luckily laws / rules are not observed or enforced very stringently here. That’s bad in terms of controlling crime, but good in terms of pointless “nanny state” rules and obviously covid rules. There are still a lot of people who believe the MSM narrative (some in my extended family) but that seems to be diminishing. And it’s summer (although not today) so there should be no “spike” in cases (imagined or otherwise). So people wear masks (mostly) social distance etc. but there is no talk of more lockdown I am still working from home which suits me fine but I’m lucky and despair for the many people who can’t earn a living and the millions who are already in poverty.
My bigger concern obviously is wider. Random example: My ma in law is 94 and on her last legs. My sister in law hurriedly arranged a flight from the Caribbean via France and when she got to Paris she couldn’t get her boarding pass and there was no one around to help. She had to wait there 8 hours, did what she was told but then when she tried to board they refused to let her on and also denied that she had been waiting there so missed her flight AND her return in now void. She asked their names and threatened to take photos at which point they threatened to call the police and arrest her This is of course not all due specifically to Covid “laws” but for me it’s a sign of the way things may pan out if this scandal is allowed to go unchecked,
Otherwise day to day life here is much more normal than it seems to be in the UK. Funnily enough I was wondering about 6 months ago if it was time to move back to the UK due to the outlook in SA looking a but bleak, but now I’m very grateful that I am here and not there!

231741 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Sceptic in SA, 1, #491 of 2257 🔗

How is the home brewing business going ?

231673 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Sceptic in SA, 3, #492 of 2257 🔗

“Getting on for 50,000 excess deaths is a good reason. Hospitals filling up (about 11,000 Covid patients in hospitals right now) is a good reason”

A good illustration of how intellect and education are often no defence against this kind of foolishness. Any kind of professional analyst should be more than capable of putting those kinds of numbers into national perspective and realising that they are trivial next to the kind of systemic damage inflicted by lockdown.

Such functional stupidity in a person of objectively high intelligence points to either fear overriding reason, or ulterior motivation (usually in this case either personal material self-interest or political/ideological commitment, sometimes just dogged refusal to accept having been wrong previously on this issue), to believe in this particular nonsense.

231714 ▶▶▶ Sceptic in SA, replying to Mark, 4, #493 of 2257 🔗

Besides which, those numbers are highly questionable in the first place, to say the least. As Mike Yeadon says, nearly all this data is underpinned in some way by the proven-to-be-flawed PCR testing. But when I mention it, he says “yes there are some known issues with PCR”! Is he a fucking politician as well???
I can’t wrap my head around it. I guess it’s just that once you have made up your mind, you won’t change it, and the more intelligent you are (or think you are) the less likely you will even hear anything contradictory. I could see after his first answer that I had no chance of a sensible debate. How he can say that Mike Yeadon is talking rubbish is beyond me. I’m sure he’s now thinking along the usual lines that I am a conspiracy theorist etc. Not that I care but it seems that my attempt to get him to see reason has only made him more adamant in what he believes. He’s a twat anyway but that’s beside the point
What I have learned from this and other such interactions is that it’s futile and even counter productive to discuss the issue with anyone who is pro-lockdown. They almost always get into ad hom attacks and say things like “I suppose you think the earth is flat”. There might be value in trying to enlighten uninformed people, but even then it seems that most people have nailed their colours to the mast and are oblivious to reason.

231745 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Sceptic in SA, 3, #494 of 2257 🔗

“the more intelligent you are (or think you are) the less likely you will even hear anything contradictory

And the cleverer you are at thinking up rationalisations for the position you are committed to. Honesty (intellectual, with yourself) is more important than intelligence, in such situations.

As others have pointed out here, the most you can do with such people is plant seeds.

232744 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Sceptic in SA, 1, #495 of 2257 🔗

You are right…I have had similar experiences with people like that. I have come to the conclusion that they are just herd stupidity people…they are simply not comfortable being outside the mainstream opinion on a big issue. Anyone who is must be some kind of perverted conspiracy theorist. Dont waste your time…bin them off for good and focus on the non committal people.

231755 ▶▶ John Galt, replying to Sceptic in SA, 2, #496 of 2257 🔗

Funnily enough I had nearly the exact same conversation with a friend, right down to the “Norway locked down and had less deaths than Sweden” comment and also regarding New Zealand. My friend was a little more respectful, but still!

Excess deaths year by year is linked on bullet point 2 here:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/excesswintermortalityinenglandandwales/2018to2019provisionaland2017to2018final

We had 49,410 in 2017 to 2018. We also had 106,400 in 1950-1951 and 89,600 in 1962 to 1963, where there were no measures put in place. I’d keep the argument simple and just say “excess deaths of 50,000 isn’t unusual, we had that figure in 2017 to 2018, for example.” I’d also mention how excess deaths this year will also include lockdown related deaths, such as increased suicide, loneliness in the elderly, cancelled cancer treatment, etc etc.

Hospitals being overwhelmed is the most boring argument to me, because hospitals are said to be overwhelmed every year. Just because the news says “THE NHS IS OVERWHELMED”, that seems to be all the evidence these people seem to need. As the images I’ll post below show, the NHS is apparently overwhelmed every year. The NHS was also completely underwhelmed initially, with bed occupation at an at least 10 year low for the first quarter of this year. The amount of NHS beds has also dropped year by year: “The total number of NHS hospital beds in England, including general and acute, mental illness, learning disability, maternity and day-only beds, has more than halved over the past 30 years, from around 299,000 in 1987/88 to 141,000 in 2018/9, while the number of patients treated has increased significantly.” – https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/publications/nhs-hospital-bed-numbers

Regarding the point about Sweden and their neighbours, he began comparing something like 5,000 deaths in Sweden to 200 or so in Norway. My initial thought was “we’re quibbling over that few deaths and whether that’s worth being locked down for?”, but I framed it in a slightly different way. I ignored his direct comparison of Sweden and Norway and said that the UK had a strict covid response and our “numbers” are near the top. I said that Peru had the strictest covid response in the world and who has the highest numbers per 100,000? Peru. I then said that I don’t really like discussing numbers anyway, because the numbers are all on the level of a flu and we’re not talking about millions dying in our countries or lockdowns saving hundreds of thousands of lives, and the differences are minimal whichever country we look at. I said that New Zealand have essentially become a police state, in that if any new cases or deaths appear they shut and lock everything down at a moment’s notice, and how I wouldn’t like to live like that.

I can’t really see any of the above changing your friends mind though, especially as unless he engages again, you’ll now be coming at him from a position of weakness. In his mind he’s won the argument, because you haven’t directly refuted any of his points.

Image gallery below, featuring numerous images of the NHS being “overwhelmed”, a story about a man who now has terminal cancer, waiting times for treatment and increased suicides this year:

https://imgur.com/a/mPKIslq

231856 ▶▶▶ Sceptic in SA, replying to John Galt, 3, #497 of 2257 🔗

That’s a very articulate and thorough reply. Thank you. Unfortunately it was obvious after his first reply that nothing remotely sensible was going to get through to him. I probably carried on too long with him as it was. I’m glad you replied to me though because those are some good facts and good info that you’ve listed.

Just one other thing, to paraphrase Vincent Vega, “He ain’t my friend, palooka” (he’s the palooka, not you) 🙂

231880 ▶▶▶▶ John Galt, replying to Sceptic in SA, 1, #498 of 2257 🔗

No problem.

The main points these people appear to make are “the NHS will be overwhelmed” and “there are actually lots of people dying”, both of which can be pretty easily refuted. With that there’s then not a lot for them to argue back with.

231870 ▶▶▶ Sceptic in SA, replying to John Galt, 3, #499 of 2257 🔗

Update – I (perhaps stupidly) copied the graph of excess deaths and sent it to him saying that it’s about average. He has just replied so I will paste the convo on here if it continues, just for fun

231888 ▶▶▶▶ John Galt, replying to Sceptic in SA, 1, #500 of 2257 🔗

I’ll be interested to see what his points are now.

Trying to be devils advocate, I’d probably say “well, the year isn’t over, so excess deaths will be higher than that!”, to which I’d probably at that point then say that the lockdown will also cause a high amount of excess deaths, so I’d also expect excess deaths to be higher than a “normal” year.

232024 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sceptic in SA, replying to John Galt, 1, #501 of 2257 🔗

I posted the graph, and he replied. Then here is how it went. It’s my serve next …

HIM: It would help if you didn’t use a graph to 2019

ME: Why? it’s 50,000 this year according to what you said. this just shows how that compares with previous years

HIM: The graph shows excess winter deaths – we don’t have any figures yet for excess Covid winter deaths.

ME: That’s the point. We can’t get a realistic number because COVID deaths are based on positive PCR tests (and I think, those that tested +ve within 28 days of death). So it’s not possible to isolate COVD deaths from any other death, especially respiratory deaths.

HIM: No, the point is that we don’t have ANY excess winter death figures for a Covid period. The correct graph clearly shows the excess deaths in 2020 correlating to periods in and out of lockdown, allowing for the lead time before death

ME: I would say a few things
1. The “COVID” cases are actually “positive PCR tests” which is misleading and inflated. Not only the false positives but many instances where people didn’t even send in the test and got told they were positive!
2. Same then applies to COVID Deaths, which is exacerbated as any positive test within a month of death is recorded as a COVDI death
3. Correlation is not the same as causation. Besides we can’t accurately state COVID deaths due to #2. So the only real way to compare is by looking at annual excess death figures. If COVID was causing a massive increase in deaths, the number would be up and it isn’t. Furthermore, there are excess deaths due to lockdown effects such as untreated cancer, heart disease, suicide etc which is happening
4. Most reports of spikes in cases / deaths (e.g. Sweden) are due to increased testing which is flawed as per #1 and #2
5. If you examine graphs of countries or US states with heavy lockdown versus light or no lockdown, it’s impossible to identify which is which. EG Peru with uber strict lockdown is one of the highest death rates (notwithstanding the likely inaccurate figures due to #1 and #2)
6. The numbers predicted for cases / deaths are based on the above and on models that are not credible
7. Accounts from real people working in the NHS paint a very different picture, of minimal admissions / deaths. I can share some quite revealing examples
8. There is widespread immunity which means the spread can’t continue exponentially as is being suggested
My point is that the notion of 4,000 deaths a day has no real basis
I’m guessing you don’t agree which is fine by me but I personally think that the facts are there to see if you look past the government’s message

HIM:
<he then posts an image implying that there are 67,000 more deaths over and above the norm, which I can’t seem to paste here>

How else is anyone explaining that peak of excess deaths, if not by a global pandemic occurring at the same time
The excess deaths unrelated to Covid (except potentially indirectly through lack of treatment) are shown separately
So it’s not as if all excess deaths are being recorded as Covid
The 4000 deaths a day is, as I said at the time, an estimated worst case scenario.

232118 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ John Galt, replying to Sceptic in SA, #502 of 2257 🔗

So his whole argument actually appears to be based around excess deaths. Firstly, I’m not sure where he’s getting the figures from, I can’t find them. He says at first that we don’t have the figures, then shows something that says there’s 67,000 excess deaths?

Because this is essentially an annual winter flu that appeared in March – it targets the same people as the flu (elderly, severe pre-existing conditions) and it hits in a big spike then disappears (they want deaths now, so they’re artificially trying to create a “second wave”) – I don’t think the excess deaths will be huge this year. Essentially, the vast majority of people that died in March would instead be dying now of the annual winter flu. However, I do think that excess deaths will be higher, because of effects of the lockdown. I mentioned above missed cancer diagnoses, patients going terminal because of cancelled treatment, increased suicide, loneliness etc, and these are the reasons why.

Regarding loneliness, I think it’s going to be quite a big factor with the elderly. “Loneliness was associated with a doubled mortality risk in women and nearly doubled risk in men.” – https://www.healtheuropa.eu/loneliness-premature-death/86454/

The fact that he seemingly sees 4,000 deaths a day as a reasonable figure says it all. Someone on here worked it out, for 4,000 deaths a day, they’d need to do over a billion tests in December (they made a typo with the trillion):

comment image

Honestly though, like you said, I think the guy is unreachable. He’s quibbling over the difference between 50,000 and 67,000, when the country is locked down, businesses are ruined, people are losing their livelihoods, the economy is in tatters etc etc etc. It becomes almost beyond parody . He’s bought the whole “even just one life matters” hook, line and sinker.

If you can be bothered, then perhaps steer the conversation towards effects of the lockdown and how it’s going to affect far more people than the virus itself has. He’ll inevitably come up with some bizarre justification though. I’d likely just attempt to have the last word and then delete his number!

232193 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sceptic in SA, replying to John Galt, 3, #503 of 2257 🔗

I think this is the final update. Thank you guys for humouring me. I replied to his last post and it went from there:

ME: I don’t think it’s very sound to say “we can’t explain it any other way, so it must be this”, especially when you are using that to justify lockdowns. The first image states the ways in which COVD deaths are recorded, which surely bears out what I said? People who tested positive within 28 days are very likely to be false positives. And people where COVID was mentioned is even less precise.
Yesterday the BBC posted an article that stated the 4000 deaths per day graph was wrong and that Vallance had apologised for causing confusion.
HIM: The Lancet, probably the most esteemed medical journal, reporting false positives between 0.8 and 4% https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30453-7/fulltext
Well within tolerance to make projections from

ME I’m glad you posted that, because I think it’s misled you. I can’t explain in my own words so let me defer to Dr Yeadon to explain. An 0.8% figure is not what it might seem. It’s quite long but here it is:
<I then posted an excerpt from Mike Yeadon’s piece on false positive which shows the maths> Our debate then continued and concluded thus:
HIM: That’s a spurious argument that works on a statistical level, rather than a real world one. In the real world, in the UK at least where universal testing isn’t happening, the majority of people presenting for a test suspect they do have Covid so you won’t get the skew from only 10 in 10000 being positive. Look at some of the work in the BMJ about test specifity and test sensitivity that debunks a lot of the above (that didn’t originate from Yeadon anyway) But honestly I think we just agree to disagree
ME: I agree that we agree to disagree. The one final thing I would say is that the amplification involved with the PCR will pick up old material and other coronaviruses. I’m hoping I have introduced at least some scepticism but either way thanks for the debate!

So it ended quite civilly I think. It was quite interesting, especially to see that he made a number of wrong statements. Notably about 0.8% false positives, presumably he thought (and maybe still thinks) that this means the PCR test is 99.2% accurate. And I think his last claim about how PCR tests are done in the UK is probably total tripe

I don’t imagine that I got through to him but it was worth giving it a go, just to get an idea of what’s in the mind of someone like him. I think it quickly got to the point where it didn’t matter what I said, he’d made up his mind. I should probably add that he is still in work, don’t think he is married or has kids and I know his mum died about 18 months ago. So he personally isn’t that effected. I didn’t want to bring that up though

232773 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Sceptic in SA, 1, #504 of 2257 🔗

To be honest those kind of arguments are tangential to the real issue which is that is it worth destroying the economy,education,the arts and culture and people’s freedom and happiness however many the deaths are. I would argue even had pantsdown’s 510,000 deaths been right it still would not have been worth it. Almost all of those would have been people in god’s waiting room and we simply cannot use these destructive policies everytime there is a virus that kills the very old and very ill…it is utter madness.

233235 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sceptic in SA, replying to Borisbullshit, #505 of 2257 🔗

Very true, thank you. U agree with what you said in your other post that some people are uncomfortable opposing the accepted “truth”

232190 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ NickR, replying to Sceptic in SA, #506 of 2257 🔗

Go to https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/ for data on excess deaths. Brilliant interactive website, shows currently no excess deaths.

231835 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Sceptic in SA, 2, #507 of 2257 🔗

Sweden currently have a casedemic – they are testing far more people than in the Spring, when there was a very high threshold of symptoms required to ‘qualify’ for a test.

Deaths are slightly up this week (as is typical for the winter) but given that positive test numbers have been rising steadily for well over 6 weeks, you would’ve expected more deaths by now if there was going to be a huge second wave.

We are still on course for average or below overall mortality rates this year… ie no excess deaths..

231936 ▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Sceptic in SA, #508 of 2257 🔗

Hi there glad you’re joining in . Nothing to worry about ,we can’t expect everyone to agree with us on the strength of a youtube video .It sounds to me like he didn’t just dismiss you as a loony at all . Keep up with those sensible arguments and i’m sure if not him many others will see sense in the end .We need rational discussion with as many people as possible and not to be ashamed of putting our case . All the ranters just make us look like imbeciles and that tactic should be avoided always .

231532 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 27, #509 of 2257 🔗

One thing that’s become clear from the US election is that opinion polls have been weaponised to suppress dissent. Continual inaccurate polling to show massive leads for Establishment Joe were designed to suppress voter enthusiasm for the President. Bear that in mind next time you hear of an opinion poll saying that 83% favour harsher lockdowns or whatever.

231563 ▶▶ Biggles, replying to Londo Mollari, 5, #510 of 2257 🔗

Can’t remember the last time an opinion poll was accurate. It’s like 8 out of 10 cats prefer Whiskas. Oh, I’d best buy some then.

231608 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Londo Mollari, 7, #511 of 2257 🔗

Same thing with Brexit – sorry any remainers – but if you voted Leave, you’ve been aware of this and the massive media bias a lot longer.

232031 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #512 of 2257 🔗

Opinion polls are a means of influencing public opinion not measuring them

231533 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 15, #513 of 2257 🔗

No one believes the tractor production figures any more

231625 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Cecil B, 1, #514 of 2257 🔗

Very apt comparison.

231537 Rui Liu, replying to Rui Liu, 6, #515 of 2257 🔗

Have there been people less deserving of accolade and acknowledgement than the half dozen frauds of SAGE who got MBEs and OBEs a couple of months ago since ‘Sir’ Fred Goodwin?

231539 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Rui Liu, 4, #516 of 2257 🔗

‘Sir’ jimmy saville

231543 Thumb, replying to Thumb, 23, #517 of 2257 🔗

I noticed yesterday that even the BBC posted an article that stated the 4000 deaths per day graph was wrong and that Vallance had apologised for causing confusion.

Notwithstanding all that has gone before, it seems to me that passing legislation that effectively placed the whole country under house arrest on the basis of a lie is the single biggest political scandal of my lifetime (over half a century). And yet it passes with a resigned shrug of the shoulders.

Does anyone know if this invalidates the legislation?

231557 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Thumb, 17, #518 of 2257 🔗

I don’t know about that but a BBC R4 reporter was telling us, in that puzzled ‘despite brexit’ tone of voice that
“some scientists are expressing doubts about the validity of the Covid test”

231635 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to karenovirus, 4, #519 of 2257 🔗

Lol! We’re going to hear a lot more of that tone over the next four weeks!

231642 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to karenovirus, 4, #520 of 2257 🔗

Some of those BBC bots are going to blow a fuse.

231668 ▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to karenovirus, 4, #521 of 2257 🔗

That’s great news if the BBC are questioning the tests because as Mike Yeadon has said once the tests are discredited then the pandemic is over . It’s that simply all the increase in death’s are down to the tests and if the government can be forced to prove one way or another whether they work or not or how far they are out then we will be getting somewhere . There is only three outcomes ,the tests are accurate ,the tests are completely inaccurate ,or the tests are some what out . Even if the test are only somewhat out it still casts serious doubt that these people are dying of covid . All pressure should be put on the government to make them prove their case . Anyone who has watched Julia Hartley Brewer on talk radio will of seen the clear discomfort when she was asking them about the tests a while back .Until Yeadon can be proved wrong his argument seems to me one of the best .

231627 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Thumb, 7, #522 of 2257 🔗

It won’t invalidate the legislation, unless the Supreme Court says it does (v unlikely).

However it does, along with the lies about hospital capacity, totally undermine the government’s case for a lockdown.

231660 ▶▶▶ Ozzie, replying to OKUK, 1, #523 of 2257 🔗

Wonder if Simon Dolan’s case, awaiting a verdict, will have an impact?

231826 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Ozzie, 1, #524 of 2257 🔗

I’m wondering why he has not got an answer yet – it was implied that it would be more like mid-week.

Maybe the judges already knew about lockdown 2 and the Parliamentary vote, so have been waiting before issuing their decision?

Surely if they said ‘next week’ last Friday, they have to give a verdict by the end of today?

231548 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 10, #525 of 2257 🔗

Re: students in Newcastle and Manchester.
Spirit of ’68 rises again!!!

231562 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Fingerache Philip., -1, #526 of 2257 🔗

No it doesn’t, 68 was for a cause this is just about their personal discomfort. They weren’t fenced with mum and dad during lockdown 1.

231570 ▶▶▶ l835, replying to karenovirus, 2, #527 of 2257 🔗

Mask wearing to avoid identification, or because they are brainwashed…?

231632 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to l835, 1, #528 of 2257 🔗

Probably a combination of both.

231571 ▶▶▶ chris, replying to karenovirus, 2, #529 of 2257 🔗

Don’t be so harsh, I was there at VUMan in 68, we had a ‘sit in’. No violence, just impromptu sitting around.

231603 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to karenovirus, 7, #530 of 2257 🔗

Fair point, but we have to take any support,alliances, whatever to aid our resistance.
I am a socialist remainer but I (in spirit at least) and to the horror of my wife and other family members thank God for Talk radio,Peter Hitchens,Mike Graham,Julia Hartley-Brewer and other right wingers.

232792 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Fingerache Philip., #531 of 2257 🔗

If you are a socialist you should support the authoritarianism shouldn’t you? After all there are no socialist societies that are democratic….and no scandanavia is not socialist…they are capitalist plus welfarism.

233038 ▶▶▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Borisbullshit, #532 of 2257 🔗

What are you talking about .Do you think the thousands of socialists who fought and died in the Spanish civil war fighting against Franco were fighting for authoritarianism ? The rest of your writing doesn’t even make sense .Do you even know what Socialism means?

233386 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to wat tyler, #533 of 2257 🔗

Hi wat and thanks for your reply and I always enjoy your posts. I have replied to your comments on an earlier post about the Railway Children. Of course I know what socialism means I was one for many years but moved on as I realised all socialist societies vary from mild authoritarianism to complete genocide. I support social democratic reforms but not overthrowing capitalism with a new economic system. We need private businesses,competition and the market mechanism to be the foundation of the economic system…without that the economy soon fails and thats where the slide into authoritarianism begins. Hope that clarifies and best wishes.

232025 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to karenovirus, #534 of 2257 🔗

The spark for 1968 was a ban on members of the opposite sex visiting student halls

231586 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #535 of 2257 🔗

They are too placid and compliant to do a 68

However things may change

231663 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Fingerache Philip., 5, #536 of 2257 🔗

The spirit of Guy Fawkes was strong last night

231700 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to PoshPanic, 2, #537 of 2257 🔗

EXCELLENT, WE SHALL PREVAIL!!!

231555 annie, replying to annie, 30, #538 of 2257 🔗

This has been going the rounds:

No Nativity this year because the Three Wise Men face a travel ban.

The shepherds have been furloughed.

The Innkeeper has shut under Tier3 regulations and had a slump in bookings.

Santa won’t be working as he would break the rule of 6 with Dasher, Dancer, Prancer, Vixen, Donner and Blitzen

As for Rudolph, with that red nose he should be isolating and taking a test.

231581 ▶▶ James007, replying to annie, 11, #539 of 2257 🔗

No angel Gabriel, with home visits suspended until further noticed.
The heavenly hosts are only rehearsing via zoom, and do not constitute a ‘professional’ choir, so no concerts.

231630 ▶▶ John P, replying to annie, 6, #540 of 2257 🔗

Oh, I think Santa’s tested positive, Annie. So he’s out of action anyway.

Apparently, he’s stuck in Lapland at the moment. He’s got no symptoms, but every time he has a test it comes back positive.

231676 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to annie, 1, #541 of 2257 🔗

I saw something yesterday, about Santa going digital this year. I felt like vomiting

231725 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, 1, #542 of 2257 🔗

Couple of months ago a ‘comedian’ was telling of updating his Xmas gig to include Sanitizer Clause and Father Maskmass 🤮

231743 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to annie, 3, #543 of 2257 🔗

Clearly Rudolph has been infected with a new strain of the virus from humans, sorry no Rudolph from now and forever, we can’t risk him passing the new virus back to humans.

231567 Cecil B, 12, #544 of 2257 🔗

Vice-Chancellor Professor Dame Nancy Rothwell last night apologised for the “concern and distress” (for the fence)

1 The Dame is added to the list (subject to pantomime bookings)

2 C and D is now added to bullshit bingo

231573 Zak Thelotofem, 5, #545 of 2257 🔗

So, the great day has dawned – the ‘Brains Trust’ (quad) implement their mass testing regime with a system about as reliable as a chocolate fireguard.

FPR – the biggest enigma since Lord Lucan. Does anyone in the Universe know what it is?

231580 Julian, replying to Julian, 11, #546 of 2257 🔗

Dear Voz 0db
I do not consider myself a slave, and think it’s insulting to slaves to say I am. I am not as free as I would like right now, and obviously even before this shit I lived with the constraints that living in a society brings, but I don’t feel it comes close to slavery. Please describe what freedom looks like.
I don’t think talking about killing is very helpful. Yes, our political leaders have blood on their hands but I believe in the rule of law and that the law should deal with them, when the time comes (it may never come). I don’t think assassinating the PM would really help anyway – we need to change public opinion and attitudes that enabled this.
As for the Secular Ruling Families, I doubt you are right but you might be – but what I am fairly sure of is that if I talk to my neighbours, who are turning sceptical, about how he is losing his business for nothing and she cannot see her mother, they will listen, but if I talk to them about SRF they will politely go indoors and write me off. I know which outcome I would prefer.

231652 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Julian, 3, #547 of 2257 🔗

Just for you and your neighbours…

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231955 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Voz 0db, 1, #548 of 2257 🔗

Well, I am sorry but that’s not really an argument in my book. You’re not convincing me, and I don’t think you’re convincing many others here either. Happy to engage, but you don’t appear to be.

232136 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Julian, #549 of 2257 🔗

Why should I waste time trying to convince you of a FACT you clearly want to ignore? If you believe you ain’t a modern slave, then you ain’t a modern slave.

Do Free On.

231585 karenovirus, 8, #550 of 2257 🔗

Chap gets phoned out of the blue by the hospital on Tuesday.
‘Can you come in for your procedure on Friday?’
“Certainly can I been waiting since March ”
‘You will have to be covid tested at the NHS testing station…’

“I can’t get there it’s in the middle of bleedin’ nowhere”.
‘That’s ok we’ll come to your house, Thursday morning 11am ok ?’.

The hospital rang again on Thursday
‘Sorry we can’t come to your house because (spurious reason that they would have known about on Tuesday) ‘

Any chance that testing a patient in his home falls foul of lockdown 2 and nobody thought of it until the day arrived ?

You could not make it up

(Happy ending, the chaps neighbour was able to give him a lift to the middle of bleedin’ nowhere testing station.)

231595 Cecil B, 9, #551 of 2257 🔗

The charts were bent

Who knew?

231596 MDH, replying to MDH, 25, #552 of 2257 🔗

So, we are being encouraged to exercise as much as we wish. Therefore, Lambeth Council this morning closed off its outdoor gym equipment. As I type, the children’s play area outside my flat remains open, but will probably be fenced off by the end of the day.
It’s no longer enough to simply hope this shitshow ends. We must have justice – which means the removal of the entire governing class. They are not fit for firewood.

231598 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to MDH, 5, #553 of 2257 🔗

Break it down

231604 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to MDH, 1, #554 of 2257 🔗

Playgrounds around here still unlocked but wait and see.

231631 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to MDH, 4, #555 of 2257 🔗

Where in the new legislation is this a requirement? Needs a few locals to do what Manchester students have done with temporary fencing.

231633 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to MDH, 7, #556 of 2257 🔗

It would be a criminal offence for me to suggest to you that you cut the locks off…..so I won’t

231648 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Cecil B, 2, #557 of 2257 🔗

It this situation that is only a GOOD SIGN… ACT AGAINST the SRF & Billionaires & jesters.

231927 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cecil B, #558 of 2257 🔗

Fence itself is often easier to cut than the locks …

231640 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to MDH, 1, #559 of 2257 🔗

Just go there during the night and fence off!

231650 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to MDH, 2, #560 of 2257 🔗

Take it down. Fuk ’em.

231658 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to MDH, 4, #561 of 2257 🔗

SI 1200 doesn’t mention closing outdoor play areas. It does say you can go out to visit a public outdoor place for the purposes of open air recreation, so that suggests they can stay open. But Arnie puts it better.

231687 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #562 of 2257 🔗

I am on our Parish Council and we have been advised that the village Children’s play ground can stay open this time and so open it stays.

231674 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to MDH, 3, #563 of 2257 🔗

Those fences are easily destroyed.

231597 TJN, replying to TJN, 13, #564 of 2257 🔗

Telegraph article, 5 Nov.: ‘Fines for anyone who leaves England ‘without reasonable excuse’ from today’

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/11/05/travel-lockdown-restrictions-corridors-uk-advice-news/

Think I’ll pop over the border into Cornwall tomorrow, for a walk on the beach and anything else I feel like.

231611 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to TJN, 3, #565 of 2257 🔗

assisted dying is a reasonable excuse

231623 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to crimsonpirate, 6, #566 of 2257 🔗

Say you left intending to top yourself, but changed your mind and came back (after two weeks in sun)

231639 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Cecil B, 3, #567 of 2257 🔗

I bet there wil be some good return ticket deals for Dignitas, what with reduced travel at the moment…

231628 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to crimsonpirate, 4, #568 of 2257 🔗

The government is assisting the death of enough people at home. There’s no need to go abroad for it.

231622 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to TJN, 2, #569 of 2257 🔗

Under which statute is this fine defined? Certainly not UKSI-2020-1200 .

231637 ▶▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #570 of 2257 🔗

I think that they are using the clauses about leaving home for a prescribed reason, it is not overseas travel per se. It is that leaving home is not “permitted” for holidays – only business.

231923 ▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Ozzie, 1, #571 of 2257 🔗

When I go to Sweden, perhaps I will just claim that I am going shopping for authentic meatballs.

231644 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #572 of 2257 🔗

Exactly, Mabel. As discussed the other day, 1200 doesn’t even mention travel. Guidance does, but that ain’t law.

231651 ▶▶▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #573 of 2257 🔗

At the end of the day, if you say you are going abroad for business, authorities would need to prove that you weren’t. There is no burden of proof, by the traveller, required in the legislation.

231805 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Ozzie, 1, #574 of 2257 🔗

Quite. Also, anyone with slightly shaky relatives abroad could use the supporting a vulnerable person ‘reason’.

231671 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Mabel Cow, 3, #575 of 2257 🔗

No idea what the actual law is, and won’t be bothering to find out. Anyway, presumably it’s just more government-media scaremongering.

I’m paying no regard whatsoever to any restrictions – couldn’t care less.

231760 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to TJN, 1, #576 of 2257 🔗

That’s the kind of simple, clear leadership we need in a ‘time of crisis’ !

231636 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to TJN, 4, #577 of 2257 🔗

There is another vague term for the police to become judge, jury and executioner. Just like hate speech laws.

231681 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to JHuntz, 2, #578 of 2257 🔗

The most they can do is fine you, and then for my part I just won’t pay. By the time anything gets to court an awful lot will have changed.

231816 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to TJN, 1, #579 of 2257 🔗

What about emigration? People can legally move to other EU countries until 31st December..

231605 CGL, replying to CGL, 9, #580 of 2257 🔗

Just had daughter 2 (in order of age, not importance!) on the phone from school. So frustrated now that masks are being enforced everywhere – is convinced it will be classrooms next. I don’t want to send her to school at all if that happens. She has GCSE’s this year, but doesn’t see the point, and unfortunately I entirely agree with her, and am not able to summon enough enthusiasm to fight her on it.
Where do we go from here.

231615 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to CGL, 8, #581 of 2257 🔗

I’m guessing working remotely is not an option?

Fortunately, my calf’s school is using Teams (even for pupils who are on site), so she can work from home during the muzzling.

She’s fully awake to the coronabollocks and she’s starting to despair for her future. It makes me sad and furious in equal measure.

231634 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #582 of 2257 🔗

Ah… using the Tools of Home Prison! VERY NICE!

231729 ▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Voz 0db, 2, #583 of 2257 🔗

Good heavens, your computer’s exclamation mark must be worn out by now.

BTW, using a Gravatar icon is a really good way to get yourself tracked all over the internet. Did you buy a Golf in the end?

232130 ▶▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Mabel Cow, #584 of 2257 🔗

If you’re worried about a gravatar… than you know little about the way They tracks us on Their network and outside of it!

And one more! Or two!!

231655 ▶▶▶ l835, replying to Mabel Cow, 5, #585 of 2257 🔗

I had a ‘discussion’ with my daughters headteacher. He concluded that masks were only “highly recommended” and if my daughter was exempt, she would be given a lanyard, which she could keep in her pocket! Makes no difference according to her, they just get shouted at by the teachers for not wearing a mask. Sadly sheep are shaping the minds of the next generation…

231765 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to l835, 4, #586 of 2257 🔗

However unfair things get at schools, I use it as an opportunity to guide the child in standing up for his rights, challenge and question.

231791 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to l835, 2, #587 of 2257 🔗

Practice in shouting back ‘Exempt !’ ?

231618 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to CGL, 6, #588 of 2257 🔗

Support your daughter in her escape from the prison camp

231619 ▶▶ TJN, replying to CGL, 9, #589 of 2257 🔗

Mrs TJN and I have agreed that if they try to make our 4-year-old wear a mask, even outside the classroom, we will take her out of school.

By my reckoning, if they make muzzles compulsory in classrooms then the schools are only about a fortnight from closing anyway, so it will be little loss.

231736 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to TJN, 1, #590 of 2257 🔗

Yes, that sounds right.

231777 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to CGL, 5, #591 of 2257 🔗

If the education system isn’t working for us, perhaps we should create our own.

  1. Create a site like this one, but call it EducationSceptics.
  2. Publish syllabuses for all subjects.
  3. Pull our children out of school and let them teach themselves from home.
  4. Use volunteers on the EducationSceptics site to help the kids with problems.

EducationSceptics could work something like Stack Overflow , a site that has basically replaced software developer education entirely.

If we’re worried about indoctrination, perhaps we should be the ones setting the agenda.

231785 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #592 of 2257 🔗

I’d imagine the home schoolers already have such resources in place, MC.

231802 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #593 of 2257 🔗

It’s a good idea, however a lot of people who have already been home-educating their kids for years are sceptics (hence why their kids are not in the school system 😉 ), and so such resources already exist, I would think.

231818 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Carrie, #594 of 2257 🔗

They do

231866 ▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Carrie, 2, #595 of 2257 🔗

Whilst such resources exist, my intent was to suggest a specific “school of scepticism”, tailored to de-programming and openness, an environment more like this website where intelligent discussion, not brainwashing, was the norm.

There are many sites on the web that object to the coronabollocks, but it takes a certain size and behaviour of community to make such places worth bothering with. Having used this site for a while now, I have been very impressed with the level of fact-checking and link-providing, and the general air of tolerance, despite our various backgrounds and political orientations.

I’d like to find a similar community that is focussed on replacing our broken education system with something better, a community that intends to operate as a mainstream alternative to compulsory education and not just a fringe alternative.

232836 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #596 of 2257 🔗

I honestly think that children would be better off not going to school anymore. The teachers are mostly young communists who see their real role as indoctination and the rubbish progressive education methods teach them very little anyway. Unless you can get them into Katherine Burbal Singh’s Micheala school they would be better off being taught from home.

233073 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Mabel Cow, #597 of 2257 🔗

This daughter would be completely up for that. Other one prob not.

233102 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to CGL, #598 of 2257 🔗

Having said that, if we were going through this at the time they were at primary school I believe it would have been a brilliant solution.
You are really driven MabelCow aren’t you – I wish I had your enthusiasm and talent for all the things you take on – you’re a regular SuperMum! 🙂

231815 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to CGL, 3, #599 of 2257 🔗

We homeedded our son. The only regret is that he spent even a day in school.

International GCSEs that homeedders take are a far higher quality of education as well.

Learn for learning’s sake. Or get her involved in campaigning, she’s learn a great deal, think and write, and give herself more chance of a future.

Naomi Seibt the role model.

232838 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Rosie, 1, #600 of 2257 🔗

A much better role model than Greta!

232841 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Rosie, #601 of 2257 🔗

Yes one day in school is one too many….I say that as an ex teacher so I know how bad they are.

233095 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Rosie, #602 of 2257 🔗

I used to be very anti home-schooling because of the social aspect – now I don’t feel like I want to engage in the society we have anyway. I always used to think that you have to learn to get on with people of all ‘shapes and sizes’ as it were, rather than restricting it to only ones that you like, or are like you. That’s not to disparage anyone who has done it, you understand – just my thoughts.
Logistically, although I am wfh at the moment, my husband and I both work full time and are normally out of the house during the working day, so they would be at home on their own all day every day – that wouldn’t work really.
I can appreciate that home ed does require a lot of sacrifice and compromise, for which I have every admiration in those who go ahead with it.

This daughter would be ok at home I think – the other one definitely wouldn’t be.
They are both in exam years though, so this is all tough enough already, and we are so near the end of the system now that it barely seems worth the upheaval.
It does depend how bad this all gets though now, I have to say.

There is literally nothing I can help them with at this point though. I left school after A levels and I’m pretty sure my GCSE daughter is doing things I did for them. And I certainly can’t remember any of it (and wouldn’t want to if I’m honest – I never really liked studying).

I don’t know about campaigning – we’re not political animals, but she has started reading some Thomas Sowell and Douglas Murray – she gets it – she is definitely not a follower!

231607 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 9, #603 of 2257 🔗

The Telegraph and Mail reports today are building a head of steam. The Sunday newspapers should be interesting

231801 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to crimsonpirate, #604 of 2257 🔗

Explain?

231620 Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, 9, #605 of 2257 🔗

At the very start of this OPERATION COVID I’ve made this image,

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But I also wrote the following:

For those looking for a more cost/effective solution:

Mere suggestion…

Vitamin A (retinoic acid): 3,000 IU every 2 days.

Vitamin C: 3,000 milligrams (or more) daily, in divided doses.

Vitamin D3: 2,000 International Units daily. (Start with 5,000 IU/day for two weeks, then reduce to 2,000)

Magnesium: 400 mg daily (in citrate, malate, chelate, or chloride form)

Zinc: 20 mg daily

Selenium: 100 mcg (micrograms) daily

Vit A and Vit C are very important to the Interferon Signalling between cells.

A deficiency of each (bad) or both (very bad) breaks the ability of the cells to respond effectively to the viral infection.

(Vit C: Those with severe renal and/or heart malfunctions or some sort of allergies to any of those chemicals are not advised to ingest these quantities.)

But… like they say: MY BODY. MY CHOICE!

Of course that IVC is an excellent treatment for viral infections, but does not provide good profits so… go buy some useless $3,000 big pharma drug!

Clearly this is not enough when the vast majority of modern slaves don’t even know how to take good care of their own Organism and transfer this personal RESPONSIBILITY to the hands of fake doctors and nurses… the majority of the NHS staff!

And this is a world reality, so now we can see what IRRESPONSIBILITY looks like!

231645 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Voz 0db, 4, #606 of 2257 🔗

Great advice.

Would however dose at least 4,000 IU vitamin D3 per day (if hesitant, get a vitamin D test to determine the level and dose accordingly). If very low level, take more. Always take vitamin D3 with Vitamin k2 and Magnesium – it helps to take the Calcium out of the bloodstream and cells and into the bones and teeth. Therefore also helps to prevent osteoporosis.

231657 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Victoria, 1, #607 of 2257 🔗

I do say to start with 5,000 IU daily for 2 weeks… seems good enough to restart the system on organism that are most likely severe deficient or highly deficient!

231686 ▶▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Voz 0db, 1, #608 of 2257 🔗

Why? blah blah polly parrot.. stay on 5000IU every day.. go to 20,000.. add some vitamin K.. you’ll be healthier.. you will not be harmed.

231726 ▶▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to chaos, #609 of 2257 🔗

There is really no biological need for using that amount daily… The organism doesn’t need that much to be on a regular balance state. But if you want to waste resources… go ahead!

231883 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Voz 0db, 1, #610 of 2257 🔗

Says who?

As I said, you get 20,000IU plus in an hour in the sun with no lotion…

232119 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to chaos, #611 of 2257 🔗

Do the test yourself! Buy the machines to make a blood test and you’ll see. or collect your blood and buy the lab analysis.

As for the advice of SUN, perfect. Indeed the most important part is NOT TO SPREAD TOXIC chemicals and UV blockers into your skin or else the hour in the SUN is pointless! Best time of day is when the SUN is high.

231677 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Victoria, 2, #612 of 2257 🔗

I’ve gone as high as 100,00IU for several days and weeks.. we make 20,000IU in an hour with no lotion on in swimsuits. Of course orally it has to go through the liver.. but the fears of overdosing are vastly overstated, and those fears repeated, and repeated..

I’ve gone as high as 10g of iodine (potassium iodide). Find an old medical text book 100 years old or so, and you will find such doses were often given to treat a whole bunch of conditions. 10g is some 70,000 x RDA… far beyond what repeaters consider safe.. again because of flawed research. The Japanese consume about 10-100 more iodine than us.

231718 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to chaos, 3, #613 of 2257 🔗

Many of these old medical text books are great and contains valuable information that are sadly forgotten

Yes, iodine is so important and many people are severely deficient especially developing teenagers (our reproductive organs needs the most). We cannot get sufficient iodine from processed table salt as recommended by the NHS.

Dr David Brownstein’s book Iodine Why you need it Why you can’t live with it is excellent.

Description of book In addition, there are two NEW chapters which provide information about:

  • Children and iodine deficiency
  • The relationship between autism and iodine deficiency
  • The relationship beween ADHD and iodine deficiency
  • What iodine does in the body
  • Why medical iodophobia still exists today

Dr. Brownstein feels iodine is the most misunderstood nutrient. He feels it is impossible to achieve your optimal health when there is iodine deficiency present. This book provides information on how iodine therapy can help:

  • ADHD
  • Autism
  • Breast , Thyroid, Ovarian and Uterine Cancer
  • Detoxification
  • Fatigue
  • Fibrocystic Breasts
  • Graves’ Disease
  • Hashimoto’s Disease
  • Hypothyroidism
  • Improve the Immune System

This book will show you Dr. Brownstein’s latest research about iodine. Each chapter has been updated! Ensuring adequate iodine levels is essential to helping you achieve your optimal health. Dr. Brownstein will provide you with all new information on the importance of iodine.

Dr Brownstein recommends up to 12.5mg per day – obviously read the book before taking a high dose. Always take Selenium when taking high dose iodine as they work together. People with Thyroid illnesses should consult a functional medicine practitioner or nutritional therapist.

231797 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Victoria, 1, #614 of 2257 🔗

Many old text books are good.

I bitterly regret throwing out my training manuals from 1985 on the subjects of economics (still classical free market) and law (the Common Law, Equity, reasonableness etc versus legislation clearly set out).

All pre-Blair. At least my conscience is clear there. Urged people not to vote for him.

232123 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to chaos, #615 of 2257 🔗

Indeed those RDA are just a bunch of crap. If one followed those RDA to the letter one is always sick with something.

231724 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Voz 0db, 2, #616 of 2257 🔗

The UK NHS web-site advises that everyone should take vitamin D
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vitamins-and-minerals/vitamin-d/
The advice is
It’s important to take vitamin D as you may have been indoors more than usual this year.
You should take 10 micrograms (400 IU) of vitamin D a day between October and early March to keep your bones and muscles healthy.

They are doing all this advertising about virus stuff but you never see this vitamin advice publicized. I put the NHS vitamin advice on our village facebook page and it received a lot of favorable interest and comment.
You may feel that you need a higher dose than this but nonetheless if everyone followed the NHS advice it would be a step in the right direction.
Indeed should the NHS not issue vitamins as a cost effective way of keeping people healthy and not needing NHS care?

231757 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #617 of 2257 🔗

You should take 10 micrograms (400 IU) of vitamin D a day between October and early March

400IU is barely enough to prevent rickets

to keep your bones and muscles healthy.

I am lost for words if the NHS only acknowledge bones and muscles, what about the rest?
https://vitaminduk.com (lots of information, especially see Vitamin D – correspondence with NICE, PHE and SACN)
https://www.stopcovidcold.com/covid-research.html (download report – focus on vitamin D)

NHS website: Maybe not such a reliable source of information

My Advice: Take at least 4,000 IU vitamin D3 per day. Always take with Vitamin K2 and Magnesium

231787 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Victoria, 2, #618 of 2257 🔗

My mum (almost 80) has a serious heart condition and for a few months was ending up in hospital roughly every other week due to very rapid heart rate. As soon as the p(l)andemic started, I got her on high dose vitamin D and some other supplements. So far so good; despite numerous admissions (also for various tests) she has managed to avoid getting infected 🙂
She’s also got a supply of other supplements recommended on mercola.com which she can start on at the slightest sing of any symptoms!

231828 ▶▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Carrie, #619 of 2257 🔗

Well done. We all should do that

231813 ▶▶▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to Victoria, 1, #620 of 2257 🔗

Agree, I was taking 400iu for a long time made little difference

231626 Hypatia, replying to Hypatia, 19, #621 of 2257 🔗

Every time I think that the Government can’t possibly disgust me more, bam, they go and do it again.

On the gov.uk website, the new regulations are displayed. Part 5 contains advice on weddings and funerals. I quote:-

“Weddings and civil partnership ceremonies will not be permitted to take place except where one of those getting married is seriously ill and not expected to recover (“deathbed weddings”). These weddings are limited to 6 people.”

I was just so disgusted, first by the almost casual use of the phrase “deathbed weddings “, but more by the fact that, even in such awful circumstances, the meddling government wants to limit attendance to 6! Even then, they can’t leave it alone, can they? How inhumane.

231653 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Hypatia, 11, #622 of 2257 🔗

…and we allow the government to dictate what we can and can’t do (very little can do) slowly slipping into a dictator state with no rights and liberties.

Absolutely no sympathy for anyone not challenging the government narrative and restrictions.

231759 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Hypatia, 2, #623 of 2257 🔗

Weddings are either dangerous or they are not. The non-dying half of the couple is miraculously *immune* to catching and then spreading the virus? Do both parties and guests have to wear full PPE?

231875 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Hypatia, 1, #624 of 2257 🔗

Do the happy couple still have to wash their hands before and after kissing ?

231629 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 22, #625 of 2257 🔗

Even if Christmas is cancelled this year, I do not feel in the mood to celebrate it – or my nearby birthday.

I don’t want to receive a single present or give any. I don’t like being “ordered” to celebrate Christmas by the government, only to have them say “Because of Christmas, the virus has spread more, so we need to lock down for the next 357 years – here is a list of all the grandmothers who were killed by their family who won’t be around next Christmas”

The problem is, I’ve sort of got to as it will be my daughters first Christmas. I’ve got to pretend for at least one day that the world isn’t turning into a total hell hole and there is a reason to be happy.

I don’t want to buy ANYTHING from Amazon, Tesco, Sainsbury’s, M&S or any of the other big businesses if I can avoid it, so please, small independent retailers, try to stay open if you are allowed.

It is getting harder to pretend that “everything is OK”.

I feel guilty for bringing my daughter into this world, she never stood a chance.

231689 ▶▶ DRW, replying to captainbeefheart, 10, #626 of 2257 🔗

I understand, it feels completely hollow and you just know it’ll be the next Eat Out to Help Out, encouraged then used against us for Lockdown III. I won’t mind if Christmas is cancelled, I can’t stand my BBC-spoonfed Grandma complaining for hours about every time the beach got a bit busy or someone went the “wrong” way in the shops. And bloody hell, if I have to meet the family zealot…

231698 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to captainbeefheart, 3, #627 of 2257 🔗

My small independent convenience store gets 90%,of my shopping, and my elderly neighbours who I shop for 3 times a week, only using Tesco or the Co OP for the few items he doesn’t stock.

231728 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to captainbeefheart, 3, #628 of 2257 🔗

Always room for kids, CBH. Especially those with loving, concerned parents. 🙂

I shall drink your bottle of whisky myself, to comply with your no-presents wish. 🙂

231751 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to captainbeefheart, 3, #629 of 2257 🔗

I’m also finding it hard to get excited.. have a flight booked to come to the UK for 2 weeks to spend Christmas with my family, who I have not seen since last Christmas. Looks like even IF I can travel, I will have to spend the whole time in quarantine..

231772 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Carrie, 2, #630 of 2257 🔗

Several here have reported that’s being enforced fairly weakly.

231871 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to DRW, 1, #631 of 2257 🔗

I was out and about for more than 8 hours yesterday, not a police car in sight nor so far today (11.30am).
Surprisingly high footfall on the Pedestrianised main high street, just a Tesco Metro, M+S and a Burger King likely to be open.

233032 ▶▶▶▶ alison, replying to DRW, 2, #632 of 2257 🔗

Definitely, quarantine is an absolute joke. When I came back into country in October they still weren’t even collecting forms. I did not fill one in online, was going to play dumb if challenged, nobody checking at all. A week later my brother and his wife had same experience. A friend was asked to show shenhad filled in form but nobody checked on her. None of us bothered quarantining, no trouble at all. All in Scotland but cannot imagine England that much different.

231782 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to captainbeefheart, 4, #633 of 2257 🔗

Stay positive, more people are fighting against every day. Where I live, its like normal, not anything like the other lockdown, which I ignored also.

231914 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to captainbeefheart, 3, #634 of 2257 🔗

My birthday (72) is in December and while I dislike Christmas,I always try and enjoy my “special” day and so: Stand firm and do it for your daughter.
WE WILL WIN.

231995 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to captainbeefheart, #635 of 2257 🔗

Mr Bart & I’s wedding anniversary is 7 days before Christmas and unfortunately my plan to celebrate it (tea at the Ritz or the Goring) have been shelved.

We might have to revert to our “austerity” celebrations that we did during the early years of our married life.but that’s OK. From the beginning we agreed to only exchange cards and that’s something we’ve always kept up.

So I know of your pain but try for have a merry Christmas not just for your daughter but for yourself.

KBO

232211 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to captainbeefheart, #636 of 2257 🔗

The ‘forced’ spending for Christmas became a bit much – something small for your sister, colleague, etc just for it to land up in a charity shop or the bin.

Hopefully people will spend less on gifts and concentrate on family/friend time. No not via zoom.

231646 Sceptic Hank, replying to Sceptic Hank, 12, #637 of 2257 🔗

Trump, one of the biggest Lockdown Sceptics in the world, has apparently ‘trumped’ Biden and the Democrats by using blockchain on all the postal ballots. If it’s true, and he can prove ballot fraud, it would bode well for the Lockdown Sceptics cause in the US and worldwide.

Here’s where the news broke:

https://youtu.be/Hf0vdsyceHw

231662 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Sceptic Hank, 6, #638 of 2257 🔗

There’s this video as well:

http://82.221.129.208/watermark.mp4

Or this agency set-up to deal with this situation posted as a picture.

Looking more and more likely election fraud can be proved as immediately this broke it is being reported that miraculously lots and lost of Trump votes were “found” and added to the totals.

Arrests coming?

I hope so and here as well.

231695 ▶▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #639 of 2257 🔗

It did look as if he was winning until they stopped counting ballots, so i’m not surprised it looks suspicious. Arrests are due and let’s hope this is the start of the Alternate Reset.

231688 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Sceptic Hank, #640 of 2257 🔗

Interesting, watch this space ?

232922 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Sceptic Hank, #641 of 2257 🔗

This video has been removed for violating YouTube’s Terms of Service.

231649 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 17, #642 of 2257 🔗

Received another email from our Head Honcho (via the Big Cheese) yesterday informing us that the two lead curators have taken voluntary redundancies and their positions won’t be filled for the foreseeable future.

In order to avoid compulsory redundancies, the voluntary redundancy programme has been opened for the third time. However they have also informed us of the procedure and steps that will be undertaken for compulsory redundancies.

I knew from the word go that this was going to happen come what may. How many people can still be asleep is baffling and it makes me wonder if many of my colleagues still think that lockdown, social distancing and masks was the right thing to do. Especially now that the compulsory redundancies will become a reality.

May God help us.

231684 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #643 of 2257 🔗

Hang in there, Bart. I love and esteem your profession and hate what’s happening to you and your colleagues.

231774 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Alethea, 7, #644 of 2257 🔗

Museums & heritage have been hammered so badly that it angers me that directors and heads are still going on and on about “decolonising” and BLM. They’re not doing anything to fight the government to keep museums & heritage sites open.

If anything they should have defied the government, abolish Covid “safety” procedures to welcome visitors back in order to stem losses and avoid redundancies. If they’re fined, they should refuse to pay and force it to go to court which should keep the authorities busy for the next 10,000 years.

231711 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #645 of 2257 🔗

I like to think on my better days that eventualy we’ll need people like you on the mammoth task of setting the record straight.

231771 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to DRW, 2, #646 of 2257 🔗

Thanks and will be happy to play my part.

231820 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #647 of 2257 🔗

Why aren’t they simply furloughing the people? That’s the whole point of the scheme – defer the decision.

231834 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Lucan Grey, 2, #648 of 2257 🔗

Unfortunately my workplace is not allowed to participate in the furlough scheme. Can’t say why but let’s just say that if we did it will be death by media and social media for us.

231821 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #649 of 2257 🔗

Hope you didn’t listen to Desert Island Discs this morning. Guest was the Chief Exec of the National Trust.
Rewilding, slavery were among her points of interest.

231831 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to karenovirus, 2, #650 of 2257 🔗

Thanks for the warning. I’m boycotting anything on the radio and its good for my mental health that I don’t listen, otherwise the radio would be thrown out of the window.

231930 ▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #651 of 2257 🔗

Hear hear!…or not.

231656 Cecil B, 15, #652 of 2257 🔗

The police appear to have a love of kettles

It’s always advisable to read the safety instruction prior to using electrical goods

The instructions for my kettle point out that if the bit that vents off steam is blocked then there is a danger the kettle will overheat and a risk of explosion and fire

231664 Anthony, replying to Anthony, 7, #653 of 2257 🔗

My workplace has brought in a compulsory masks from next Monday (9th Nov). Their email says that those who are exempt from a mask will be provided a visor. Wearing any type of face covering causes me distress, but I am worried I will get penalised for not accepting a visor over a mask. Any one else experienced this?

231788 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Anthony, 10, #654 of 2257 🔗

Meanwhile, legally unenforceable demands that people wear face masks at work are becoming increasingly common and should be dealt with in a simple administrative process, using the common law to establish the indisputable facts, which I am in process of drafting a detailed template for.

However, in simple terms, if you are threatened with the sack for refusing to wear a mask, you need to send your employer a Notice of Conditional

Acceptance, promising to wear a mask if they provide you with the following:

1. Evidence that masks prevent infection.

2. Evidence that masks don’t cause oxygen deprivation which can lead to seizures.

3. Evidence that breathing in your own carbon dioxide does not cause bacterial infections and respiratory disorders.

4. Evidence that wearing masks does not cause stress and anxiety.

5. Evidence that wearing masks prevented the spread of the Spanish Flu.

6. Evidence that dismissal for not wearing a mask at work would not represent a material breach of the Equality Act, which entitles you to claim compensation for discrimination, as well as unfair dismissal.

7. Evidence that the government lurgy has ever been proven to exist.

8. Evidence that the Coronavirus Act and the regulations which arose out of it are not adjudged to be repugnant and void under the common law.

9. Evidence that it is not a crime ancillary to genocide to collaborate with government policy, which has already resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths in care homes and hospitals.

10. Evidence that the government has not relied upon fraudulent data to frighten the population into fearful compliance with its legally unenforceable diktats.

Potential Damages Claim

Needless to say, they will not be able to provide you with what you ask for, but you will have shown that they are unable to justify their actions, which render them liable for all potential damages caused if they try to dismiss you, as per the common law.

Nevertheless, even if they do, by implementing such a strategy you will have already established the basis to successfully challenge them in an employment tribunal, as they would almost certainly back down before judgment, when faced with the realistic prospect of having to cough up far more in damages than they pay you for your work.

231812 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Anthony, 6, #655 of 2257 🔗

Demand to see their health and safety assessment. Probably won’t have done one.

231829 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Anthony, 7, #656 of 2257 🔗

I was able to claim exemption for both. Initially I did offer to try the visor for a day and see how I got on however when the duty manager saw me visibly distressed, I was relieved of having to wear it. Then when mandatory masking came in, I was exempt.

I have mentioned on this site that over the past few days, I was seeing more and more workers not wearing masks. I suspect this is down to many workers experiencing health problems as a result of having to wear them for at least 8 hours and so are able to claim exemption on various grounds.

231910 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Anthony, #657 of 2257 🔗

Where is their risk assessment that says a visor is even effective? It wasn’t effective even at the start of the mask wearing nonsense the DHSC said that visors weren’t an acceptable form of PPE.

231666 Cecil B, 18, #658 of 2257 🔗

“Never interrupt your enemy when he’s in the process of destroying himself.” Sun Tzu

231667 JHuntz, replying to JHuntz, 18, #659 of 2257 🔗

If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” Joseph Goebbells
This quote is uncannily representative of this very moment in time. It may seem crass to quote goebbells, but it’s also ignorant to ignore the past.

231720 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to JHuntz, 7, #660 of 2257 🔗

Fine to quote Goebbels, he was very skilled at manipulating the public mind. Sadly, our current shower are 70 years ahead now.

231691 Arnie, replying to Arnie, 68, #661 of 2257 🔗

I live at the top of the hill overlooking my local town. For the last 10 years a Union Flag has been hanging from the flagpole in my garden. This can be seen across the whole town.

Yesterday I ran up the white flag.

One of my neighbours knocked on my door last night. I though he was having a nervous breakdown. Turns out he doesn’t like my new flag. Apparently it’s disrespectful to those that fought & died for this country.

A massive moment of realisation crossed his face when I said to him ‘Exactly. This is why I am protesting that what they fought for we, as a country, are giving away those very freedoms.’

I continued to say that silence is compliance and that there is no middle ground in this fight. To be fair I’d already won the argument but call me a sadist if you like.

I’m conflicted now, do I put up the Chinese flag today? Or wait awhile?

We ARE winning this fight one person at a time. I personally hope that there is a spark that sets off a massive fight back but I’m just as happy to see a quiet revolution one person at a time.

Final thought, lockdown? What lockdown? I’m on the south coast UK and life is normal. Nobody seems to be taking the slightest notice.

Keep battering on folks we are definitely winning, in fact we can only lose if we allow it.

Arnie.

231705 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Arnie, 14, #662 of 2257 🔗

It is encouraging to see much lower compliance this time.

231796 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to DRW, 10, #663 of 2257 🔗

The small businesses on my high street cannot avoid complying. Independent non-food shops and cafes all closed. Tesco, the Co OP, Boots and banks all open plus Poundland !

231929 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to karenovirus, 5, #664 of 2257 🔗

Poundland can stay open because they sell food, but they also sell a lot of non-food. I hope they have the sense not to block off the non-food aisles. Even if they did, it would be amusing to step over the barriers and take some “non-essential” items to the checkout, where I expect they would go through OK as it would be far too much trouble to disable the bar codes of the “forbidden” items!

231803 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Arnie, 3, #665 of 2257 🔗

Surprised you haven’t had a visit from the hate stazi.

231822 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Arnie, 10, #666 of 2257 🔗

Well said.

It was heartening to see faint signs of life in Central London yesterday as even offices were not 100% shut, builders were going out and about their business and people taking advantage of their exercise (like me).

What was sad was seeing the Field of Remembrance deserted and ghostly. I won’t blame those who died during the two world wars and even the likes of the Korean War for spinning on their graves. It was as if they sacrifice was for nothing.

231699 reason, replying to reason, 1, #667 of 2257 🔗

I know manipulation of statistics is rife but I am nevertheless baffled by our local number of cases shown on the Covid Dashboard.
Starting from Thursday 29th. and by specimen date they read; 66,72,52,28,127,46. Strangely the 127, a Monday was the day that the number of tests nationally dropped significantly.
Has anybody got any idea, preferably inside info, that can explain how these bizarre variations come about?

Also strikes me as a bit weird, the last seven days the number of people tested positive has risen by 1.9%, whilst the number of patients admitted to hospital has risen by 17.9%. I would have expected them to be roughly in line or am I missing something?

231713 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to reason, 1, #668 of 2257 🔗

The hospitals always get busier, as we head into winter. Seasonal

231702 John Ballard, replying to John Ballard, 28, #669 of 2257 🔗

I live in Truro and have a contact with an ICU nurse. What this article says is true. The contact I have, I have asked throughout this whole fiasco and they have said nobody was in ICU or the odd person. We are locked down (well I’m not as still coming to work and travelling by train and seeing all of my family!!!), but we never had the first wave, let alone a second !!! Hundreds of thousands of holiday makers came down in August and still no first wave. The government are liars and a complete disgrace. Always vote Tory as do all of my family, never EVER again. Reform UK if any good, or nothing for us now.

231717 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to John Ballard, 1, #670 of 2257 🔗

Cruella said it isn’t true when I posted about the wife’s relatives experiences.

231750 ▶▶▶ John Ballard, replying to Awkward Git, 12, #671 of 2257 🔗

Whose Cruella? 100% true down here, my Dad is in his 80’s and a few months back he had to kick off to get his blood test done for his prostrate cancer treatment. Finally got it done, needed new treatment (tablets), but if he hadn’t kicked off nothing would have been done for him. In Cornwall life in 2020 could have continued as per normal, but a big proportion of the population scared stupid by the BBC. Hate our government more that I can say.

231807 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to John Ballard, 6, #672 of 2257 🔗

They are someone who pops up now and again, works for the NHS and claims that all these stories about reduced hours, no work and so on are not true or only applied to casual staff, not proper NHS staff on proper contracts.

Not seen them since they slagged off what my wife’s relative told is and I posted.

232052 ▶▶▶▶▶ John Ballard, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #673 of 2257 🔗

Have a chap who works me, his partner is a nurse (not the ICU contact), was telling me the other day about seeing videos of nurses having bed races down empty corridors/wards in wave one !!! Everyone can believe what they want, but I know what I believe re. what happened in the Spring, early summer. Clap clap clap…didn’t happen at my house !

232170 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to John Ballard, 4, #674 of 2257 🔗

No clap clap clap here either -the amount of screw ups and near death experiences inflicted due to incompetence and idiocy on me, my wife and the rest of the family by the acting NHS we all hate the organisation with a passion.

231878 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to John Ballard, 2, #675 of 2257 🔗

In Cornwall life in 2020 could have continued as per normal, but a big proportion of the population scared stupid by the BBC.

Same here just across the border.

231999 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to John Ballard, 1, #676 of 2257 🔗

A commenter – not seen for a while but might have missed among the other 2000 comments!!!!

231756 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to John Ballard, 2, #677 of 2257 🔗

Same here, and will stay a Faux lockdown, the beach and cafe’s were busy yesterday

231776 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to John Ballard, 1, #678 of 2257 🔗

Same here, not much of a first wave. Maximum 80 Covid patients at Easter, 14 ICU most of whom survived.
Was ticking along at zero or 1 case until it suddenly shot up to 5 or 6 when the government announced some new impending horror statistic. Nobody else died.
Recent spike in ‘cases’ with students (probably Freshers flu) none of whom went to hospital.

231809 ▶▶ ambwozere, replying to John Ballard, 1, #679 of 2257 🔗

Same in Dorset though I reckon Bournemouth uni being back has pushed up the cases a bit.

231709 dommo, replying to dommo, 19, #680 of 2257 🔗

for a bit of encouragement, check out your local police force’s twitter and then whenever they post about how brave & clever they’v been issuing FPN’s for lockdown breaches, read all the lovely comments from the good folk of the area – VERY REFRESHING LEVEL OF HOSTILITY & CONTEMPT ON SHOW!!!!

231996 ▶▶ CGL, replying to dommo, #681 of 2257 🔗

Consent? Not much really.

231723 Mibi, replying to Mibi, 5, #682 of 2257 🔗

Next rally in London is on 28 November at 12 noon. Hopefully, if they don’t clamp down on it before …(?) https://thewhiterose.uk/events/

231732 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Mibi, 1, #683 of 2257 🔗

77th?

Tonight 6pm Trafalgar Square according to a million masks

231769 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Cecil B, 3, #684 of 2257 🔗

That was last night – Bonfire night, 5th November.

231749 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Mibi, 1, #685 of 2257 🔗

The Right to Peaceful Protest

231763 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #686 of 2257 🔗

But no more than two of you at a time according to Priti Patel.

231824 ▶▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to karenovirus, 1, #687 of 2257 🔗

Priti useless, still waiting for her to sort out the Dover debacle

232865 ▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Dan Clarke, #688 of 2257 🔗

She has turned into Idi Amin whom her parents fled from…she is a nasty little authoritarian who hides behind the big coppers to do her dirty work.

231778 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Mibi, 3, #689 of 2257 🔗

They will clamp no matter what…

231727 Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, -4, #690 of 2257 🔗

Specially for fellow slave Julian !

These 2 fellow slaves are talking about the TOOL for america, but since the SRF & Billionaires operate at a Global Level, just convert to your local TOOL!

https://youtu.be/NjdE-0zcDXg?t=441

231944 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Voz 0db, 1, #691 of 2257 🔗

Sorry, it’s too subtle for me.

232103 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Julian, #692 of 2257 🔗

Yeah! I know… reality is not easy to apprehend when one chooses to exist in a delusion.

231734 leggy, replying to leggy, 27, #693 of 2257 🔗

So the Liverpool moonshot nonsense has been canned because the test seems to have a sensitivity of less than 50%. That’s brightened up my day.

231744 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to leggy, 10, #694 of 2257 🔗

All the money wasted plus the army was put up in 2* pontins accomodation while the migrants are taken to 4* hotels.

232511 ▶▶▶ Commander Jameson, replying to Dan Clarke, #695 of 2257 🔗

Well, we expect soldiers to be able to rough it for a while, though no doubt Pontins is going to seem pretty unwelcoming after a tour in Kandahar or Basra.

231747 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to leggy, #696 of 2257 🔗

BBC had been reporting it as going ahead full steam this morning. Has it been haulted?

231768 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to leggy, 6, #697 of 2257 🔗

How much more money thrown at half-baked ideas – government are just desperate?

231978 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Ozzie, 1, #698 of 2257 🔗

Our money don’t forget.
My taxes and yours.
Spent by our public SERVANTS.

Oh and the small issue of our children’s and grandchildren’s taxes too…

231784 ▶▶ steph, replying to leggy, 2, #699 of 2257 🔗

Is there a source for this? It would be good news but I can’t find confirmation

231928 ▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #701 of 2257 🔗

That confirms that the test has been found to be inaccurate but not the that the process has been halted. I’m seeing lots of confirmation that it is going ahead today. Hopefully to a very frosty Scouse welcome.

231948 ▶▶▶▶▶ Scouse Sceptic, replying to steph, 3, #702 of 2257 🔗

I’m going to head out and explore the city, see what’s going on

232157 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to Scouse Sceptic, 1, #703 of 2257 🔗

Thanks. Be great to hear first hand

231794 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to leggy, 1, #704 of 2257 🔗

Cheering news wasn’t it.

231827 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to leggy, 2, #705 of 2257 🔗

The new rapid test was tested in a laboratory on patients with pneumonia , never on people without symptoms

231885 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to leggy, 2, #706 of 2257 🔗

It actually says its been scaled back but surely it puts things back a fair bit. How can they have allowed it to get to this point with a 50% failure rate sneaking through?

There is no integrity in the medical profession right now. Arse covering seems more important to them

231931 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to leggy, 1, #707 of 2257 🔗

Hello leggy – did you enjoy Sweden?

232204 ▶▶ Scouse Sceptic, replying to leggy, 1, #708 of 2257 🔗

Just been all around the city area on my bike…. Sorry to report there are long queues of sheep waiting for their tests at the walk-in centres, and the army are busy setting up more test centres 🙁

232989 ▶▶▶ alison, replying to Scouse Sceptic, #709 of 2257 🔗

Just incredible. Who on earth doesn’t have better things to do with their day than stand in a queue? It is utterly bonkers. Hope most people have more sense at this point than to queue up for state sponsored anything.

231742 Hieronimusb, replying to Hieronimusb, 27, #710 of 2257 🔗

A classically beautiful autumnal sunny morning here in Pembrokeshire has tempted me to muse on a more positive note. The general population, sooner or later and despite the most strenuous attempts to rewrite the laws of the physical universe, must realise that it does not, in fact, rain upwards and that the price currently being demanded for inevitable failure is extortionate and unjustified. If we hold our ground and keep promoting real, verifiable, science we can win this war. For war it is, the first war with huge casualties and no shots fired; let it be the last.

231789 ▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to Hieronimusb, 13, #711 of 2257 🔗

The light in each and everyone of us is powerful and strong. Don’t hide it under a bushel, as they say. They, the evil do-ers, want us kept down, down, in a dark hopeless place, because they are threatened by our light, and they want to control us. Don’t let them! Shine your light out everyday, to all you meet and unite with them.

232028 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to HelenaHancart, #712 of 2257 🔗

Agreed.

231840 ▶▶ Doug Surridge, replying to Hieronimusb, 4, #713 of 2257 🔗

I whole heartedly agree with you and do wish that the population would realise what’s happening. Trouble is even if there 3 million unemployed that will still leave 9/10 working, a lot of people don’t use pubs and restaurants, don’t own small shops/ businesses. What I am saying is for the majority of people they are not directly affected by what’s happening. Big shops are still open plus online. They’ll carry on almost as normal and that short sighted selfishness and ignorance ( as appreciated by the government) will keep this farce rolling along

232027 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Doug Surridge, 1, #714 of 2257 🔗

I don’t see how a continuation of current policy can be anything other than catastrophic for all, no matter that some will take longer to be impacted than others. An NHS in tatters cannot fail to go unnoticed, for instance. I share your concerns but we cannot let such fears weaken our resolve.

231853 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Hieronimusb, 3, #715 of 2257 🔗

No shots fired yet

232006 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Cecil B, #716 of 2257 🔗

And let’s hope it stays that way; civil war is a messier and more destructive and costly business than most people can possibly imagine. Criminal prosecutions are another matter, but first let us put all our efforts into discrediting the lies and false premises with which we are being assaulted. ¡No Pasarán!

231746 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 16, #717 of 2257 🔗

I spoke to one of my good friends yesterday.
He was furloughed back in March & returned to his work at the beginning of October.
Yesterday, he told me that after today, he is furloughed again, possibly until March next year, that is also if the company he works for survives until then.

So, he has basically been back to work for 4 weeks give or take & then laid off again.

He doesn’t even want to be furloughed, as he said spending so much time off gets boring after a month or so.

The company he works for is not a multi national outfit, it was a small family run company, that prior to March this year, was thriving business wise. Now, it’s has pretty much lost all its income because of this insane lockdown.

231767 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to AnotherSceptic, 9, #718 of 2257 🔗

My daughter is in the same boat – works for a pub – came off furlough on 1 October, now back on. Only trouble is she was working more hours during October, which she needs to finance her university studies – the furlough won’t cover her rent so she now needs to move home.

231762 Cecil B, 2, #719 of 2257 🔗
231783 l835, replying to l835, 50, #720 of 2257 🔗

I’m so sick of being asked to wear a lanyard, I made myself a badge…

231786 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to l835, 9, #721 of 2257 🔗

Good stuff!

231940 ▶▶ Edward, replying to l835, 6, #722 of 2257 🔗

Good stuff for those who know history, but probably goes over the heads of many.

231984 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to l835, 4, #723 of 2257 🔗

Love it, or rather I hate it but I know where you are coming from & I want one.
Keep battering on folks.
Arnie.

231823 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #725 of 2257 🔗

The new rapid test was tested in a laboratory on patients with pneumonia, never on people without symptoms

231851 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #726 of 2257 🔗

Want some free money – just develop a half baked test and sell it to the government. If you talk it up Bojo and mates will spend millions with you.

231921 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #727 of 2257 🔗

Why the fuck do 500,000 want to get tested.

231951 ▶▶▶ Roadrash, replying to stefarm, 1, #728 of 2257 🔗

Most wont voluntarily. Think it depends on the stance of some employers I.e. if they start requiring it for the job

231962 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #729 of 2257 🔗

Being a bit thick but how do they know it missed 50% positive tests? Is it not the case that maybe the tests aren’t delivering the number of positive tests they want to see?

231800 Basics, 6, #730 of 2257 🔗

Shelley Tasker exNHS whistle blowing experienced nurse as covered above the line.

Interview with Richie Allen last night.

https://youtu.be/vCaU4cOcVGA
30min

Apologies if already posted.

231806 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 8, #731 of 2257 🔗

Confirmation that stopping Covid is more important than cancer, heart attacks and stroke.

Video

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1324648119976501249

231814 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Victoria, 6, #732 of 2257 🔗

If its saves one life WITH covid, sod the rest

231810 Adamb, 39, #733 of 2257 🔗

Email from the boss this morning:

Him: “I’ve got the sniffles this morning so will be working from home today”
Me: “how can you possibly have caught that what with masks and social distancing?”
Him: “I know, it’s almost as if the masks are ineffective placebos”

Great to have a manager with a brain

231817 Mrs issedoff, replying to Mrs issedoff, 10, #734 of 2257 🔗

I’ve just got up, I struggle to make myself get out of my bed and face reality. Good for the students in Manchester putting up a bit of resistance, one question though, why the hell were most of them muzzles up?!. This annoyed me, more than it should probably. If you are going to stand up to those behind this shit show, don’t ruin it all by wearing the thing that shows compliance.

232528 ▶▶ Commander Jameson, replying to Mrs issedoff, #735 of 2257 🔗

Because a conviction for some trivial act of righteous resistance is a serious career-limiting manoeuvre nowadays.

231830 HelenaHancart, replying to HelenaHancart, 43, #736 of 2257 🔗

Any one seen the latest Tesco advert, with all the masked, happy sheep in their store? Utterly contemptible and patronising. Do they really think people are LOVING this new effing normal?!!! Most people, without calling them sheep, go along with it all because they want it to be over soon, and ignorantly believe that if they comply, it will be! Shame too, on those actors in the advert for helping to push the bloody narrative. So glad I got rid of my TV licence.

231836 ▶▶ THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to HelenaHancart, 3, #737 of 2257 🔗

It’s a fecking disgrace!

231837 ▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to HelenaHancart, 6, #738 of 2257 🔗

Yes, that advert is dreadful. It’s like those futuristic, dystopian adverts in films like Robocop!

231841 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to HelenaHancart, 15, #739 of 2257 🔗

Yes – I find these ads disturbing, also the one for (I think) the Milton Keynes shopping mall and, worst of all, the “hands, face, space” – which makes me want to do unbelieveable harm to my TV set.

231843 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to HelenaHancart, 9, #740 of 2257 🔗

Please forward the actors names, I will add to list

231847 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to HelenaHancart, 1, #741 of 2257 🔗

I was surprised to learn that the law says you have to have a TV licence if you watch any live broadcast from anywhere in the world, on any platform.

So watching an RT live stream on YouTube even once will cause me to require a TV licence for that year. Charming.

231852 ▶▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #742 of 2257 🔗

Not if you don’t tell them you’re watching it

231912 ▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Jakehadlee, 1, #743 of 2257 🔗

They can just ask Google.

Unless you are using a VPN, a combination of your IP address and your broadband provider’s DHCP logs will show that your broadband was watching the live stream.

231863 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to HelenaHancart, 10, #744 of 2257 🔗

Wankers, add Tesco to the list

231868 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to HelenaHancart, 7, #745 of 2257 🔗

I can’t think that even mask zealots get any warm fuzzy feelings watching people in masks on adverts. It’s like watching a Doctor Who episode.

231839 G.Fawkes, replying to G.Fawkes, 3, #746 of 2257 🔗

THe global economy is dead. Too much loose money, too much debt, too much QE. In the US there is around $250 trillion (yes, trillion) unfunded liabilities, and over $20 trillion in national debt. The fiat currency system and the credit system have nowhere else to go. This is why the WEF (Davos crowd) are meeting in January – to discuss the Great Reset. You can check this on their site. They wish to move to MMT and digital currency. Their vision, according to their own media, is that you will rent everything and own nothing.

The lockdowns are being driven by the World Bank. I believe it was Bulgaria that blew the whistle when they refused to enact restrictions demanded for financial aid, and then were promptly vilified in international press. The World Bank website details the financial ‘aid’ they are providing.

At first I believed that perhaps people were being held in place so that the unrest that the coming shortages and problems that a financial collapse would cause could be managed. However, I have come to believe that, with the slow but steady ratcheting up of pressure that goverments around the world are doing in lockstep, is an attempt to incite an unprising. The economic collapse can then be blamed on the people, rather than the real criminals that caused it. I suspect that the current political chaos in the US is more of the same plan.

I do not think that this course can now be altered.

Ordo Ab Chao – as the NWO conspiracists always called it. I fear they may have actually been right.

231957 ▶▶ calchas, replying to G.Fawkes, 1, #747 of 2257 🔗

Yes – this is all being driven by the fact that we have reached the end of the financial road.

Belarus – not Bulgaria.

232017 ▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to calchas, #748 of 2257 🔗

Belarus, thanks yes.

231966 ▶▶ Evoluon, replying to G.Fawkes, 2, #749 of 2257 🔗

MMT is not something you move to. It’s just a description of how modern fiat currencies have worked in practice since they abandoned the gold standard.

231842 James Bertram, replying to James Bertram, #750 of 2257 🔗
232341 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to James Bertram, 2, #751 of 2257 🔗

The one star reviews are spot on the five star reviews are just unhinged!

232830 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to James Bertram, #752 of 2257 🔗

Just ticked the helpful button on all the one star ones!

231844 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 25, #753 of 2257 🔗

People wearing a poppy and a mask should be ashamed.

If they believe men fought for their freedom they should do the same for their families

231849 ▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to stefarm, 25, #754 of 2257 🔗

This is the first year ever I won’t be wearing a poppy. Not while soldiers are on the streets of Liverpool betraying their country

231864 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Jakehadlee, 12, #755 of 2257 🔗

Hand them white feathers

231874 ▶▶▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to Cecil B, 7, #756 of 2257 🔗

That’s exactly what I will do if they come to my town.

231882 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Jakehadlee, 3, #757 of 2257 🔗

The UK forces have become just another outsourcing organisation. It’s sad to see. Also see Air-Sea rescue – privatised, fisheries protection – moved to defra civilian staff. Meanwhile highly paid armed police stand outside Windsor castle etc while the soldiers there do the same thing much cheaper and better.

231854 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to stefarm, 2, #758 of 2257 🔗

Agree

A poster to this effect would be great

231859 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to stefarm, 3, #759 of 2257 🔗

Hear, hear.

231860 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to stefarm, 10, #760 of 2257 🔗

War Is A Racket. Smedley Butler told us as much. Read his short essay of the same title, you might never wear a poppy again. The site of politicians weeping as they lay wreaths disgusts me. All wars are bankers’ wars. Soldiers die for rich men. That is the real tragedy. This rememberance pantomine is a sick mockery of the crimes against humanity caused by politicians and their wealthy masters.

231916 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to stefarm, 8, #761 of 2257 🔗

After hearing what my 2 maternal grandparents went through and why they never attended a remembrance parade or gave to the british legion I have never given to “poppy day” or worn a poppy even when an air cadet.

Ditto for my paternal grandparents and why they went through and the refusal of the british legion to help them in any way hardened my attitude.

then my dad being shafted by the army and lied to for years and again the british legion’s refusal to help confirmed my attitude.

British legion – only good for having clubs thats ell cheap beer an booze and for somewhere for retirees to sit in they arm, nothing else.

231846 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 35, #762 of 2257 🔗

Reasons to be cheerful;
The village football field is next to our house and we have just been watching about 20 children from the village school out in the N Devon sunshine playing some game that looked like a cross between British Bulldog and chase, anyway they all seemed very happy and excited rushing around the field crashing into each other and huddling in groups, no masks (not even the teachers).
Maybe there is some light at the end of the tunnel?

231992 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to Steve Martindale, 12, #763 of 2257 🔗

There definitely is light at the end of the tunnel. One person at a time we will win this. I’d prefer the one spark leads to a massive push back but I’m almost as happy if we win the quiet way.

The only way we can possibly lose is if we allow it. I don’t consent now. I never will. I won’t be following any of the new rules and neither are any of my family or friends.

Keep battering on Steve.

Arnie.

231997 ▶▶ Chestergal, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #764 of 2257 🔗

I am “lucky” to have a garden that backs onto a boys school and agree it’s been uplifting to hear and see them playing football and getting some enjoyment out of life, if only briefly.

231855 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 13, #765 of 2257 🔗

https://twitter.com/FatEmperor/status/1324646676439699456/photo/1

 Belarus.Deaths per month/per million 1980-2020.Nothing more than a flu year.This is in the least SD non lockdown country in Europe.

231907 ▶▶ calchas, replying to swedenborg, 1, #766 of 2257 🔗

Thanks Swedenborg, what’s the source of the graph please?

231975 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to calchas, 1, #767 of 2257 🔗

It says UN in the small print

231861 Rowan, 3, #768 of 2257 🔗

Just love that Blue Plaque picture. And so very true.

231862 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #769 of 2257 🔗

Yesterday, I wondered if Heneghan had changed sides.
Here’s confirmation, from the DT article:

Heneghan urged ministers to be more transparent, saying revisions to data should not be “snuck out” and adding: “ We’re in an era where public compliance is essential to public health, and in due course we will need people to take the vaccine . That requires people to trust the Government.”

Worrying development. I’m suprised Toby overlooked it!
We can’t trust Heneghan if he’s a now government shill.

231867 ▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to Cheezilla, 10, #770 of 2257 🔗

Assuming the vaccine is voluntary, and properly tested, and works – I don’t have a problem with it. Why wouldn’t you vaccinate? Forced vaccination with an experimental vaccine is a crime against humanity, offering people who want one a vaccine with no consequences if they don’t, is fine.

231925 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Jakehadlee, 5, #771 of 2257 🔗

Talking of Crimes against Humanity, what’s happening with the Fuellmich case?

232764 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jakehadlee, #772 of 2257 🔗

we will need people to take the vaccine .

You really think it will be voluntary?!? Given the fact that covid only affects about 1% of the population, a novel, rushed and untested vaccine obviously isn’t necessary for anyone.
I expect, like many others, they will claim it’s not mandatory but we will be coerced into accepting it nevertheless.

231873 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #773 of 2257 🔗

Come on. The vaccine thing is a long way from the minds of such people. I am sure when the data is available he’ll be following it closely also on tne vax side.

For me, take one if you like but it has to be choice led. That isn’t looking likely currently so needs to be fought. Self accountability and government transparency

231889 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #774 of 2257 🔗

There is no government transparency, otherwise Bozo would come out and tell you that he takes his orders from Bill Gates. Also Bozo would have to mention that he and his cronies are on a cut of Bill’s whopping vaccine profits, that are ironically going to be coming out of the public purse. What a terrific wheez.

231908 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Rowan, 4, #775 of 2257 🔗

He’s asking for transparency on the basic data they are using. Even without it he’s punched huge holes in the narrative.

We know they are hiding the true goals. Their whole management of this is based on lying to the public, keeping them fearful and compliant.

The more Henegen focuses on uncovering that the more the influence of the Pharma cos comes to light as well. It’s all useful in my eyes.

231881 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #776 of 2257 🔗

Heneghan can roll his sleeve up for one of Bill Gate’s terminator vaccines, I won’t be doing that. Heneghan is now sounding very like controlled opposition.

231904 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Rowan, 7, #777 of 2257 🔗

I think that if you are to dismiss the pushback from anyone simply because of the vaccine issue, it’s premature.

As long as its choice led. Same with masks, mandates need binned but as Guptra says, it’s a question of personal choice if people want to wear them. Like any normal issue.

It’s a wide spectrum and I don’t think I would even have had my eyes open to this in April without Henegen.

232236 ▶▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #778 of 2257 🔗

You’re right Heneghan has done a great job and the people trying to rubbish him over a comment about vaccines are wrong . To dismiss everything and everyone out of ideological purity is simply to keep our cause in the ghetto and before anyone asks ,no i won’t be queuing up for any rushed vaccine .

231890 ▶▶ Will, replying to Cheezilla, 8, #779 of 2257 🔗

I think your logic is misguided. I couldn’t care less about Heneghan’s views on vaccines, they are irrelevant in the here and now where he is doing such a fantastic job of exposing the government’s dodgy data. If he uses the compliance argument at this stage it serves to lend him credibility in the court of moderate/ changeable public opinion. If he comes out as anti vaccination he will be easily dismissed as a crank.

232030 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Will, 2, #780 of 2257 🔗

Totally agree. Most scientists would be pro vaccine. Let’s wait and see how he reacts if there is an attempt to force an inadequately trialled vaccine on the population. I suspect he would oppose that.

232242 ▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Will, 1, #781 of 2257 🔗

Heneghan and Yeadon are the main people coming out about the P C R tests and in my opinion should be the main focus of the campaign at the moment .If we can destroy the reliability of the test the governments whole case falls to pieces . Complaining that Heneghan should by against vaccinations is insane .

231894 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Cheezilla, 10, #782 of 2257 🔗

Cheez I read it somewhat differently. Like Gupta he is very close to the people developing the vaccine – the Oxford academics know and associate with each other both professionally and socially. My take is he is sending a powerful warning/signal to the vaccine developers ‘don’t try to elide the truth when you publish the results’ because it will get out, and to government/regulators, ‘don’t rubber stamp this as fit for mass vaccination until you have assessed the trial results fully’.

232004 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #783 of 2257 🔗

All of which should go without needing to be affirmed but the government, and their corrupt advisors, are playing us all for fools and Heneghan is doing a brilliant job of exposing that.

231906 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #784 of 2257 🔗

I’d rather he didn’t talk about vaccines at all at the moment but I don’t have a problem with the concept of vaccines generally as they can be very effective providing they meet the following criteria:-

  • The threat they aim to deal with is severe enough for a vaccine to be of large social benefit and economically reasonable set against other health care costs.
  • The vaccine has passed all normal testing protocols and all side effects have been documented and quantified over an extensive period of time.
  • The vaccine can be shown to provide a large health care benefit in terms of the proportion of people it protects and it’s scope of effectiveness against multiple strains of the disease.
  • The vaccine is only ever voluntary.

As far as I’m concerned the requirement is likely to fall apart on the very first point. Who knows how much they will be spending on it that could be better spent on other health care provision that provides benefit to all the population and not just the over 80s?

231964 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Achilles, 9, #785 of 2257 🔗

The way most elderly pensioner are treated is nothing short of obscene.
Heat or eat
Crap care
Crap housing
Crap medical care

If our bastard government spent just a tiny fraction of what they spent on CORONA BOLLOCKS they could afford to house every poor pensioner in good warm housing, supply them with great food, take them on nice holidays in the sun and provide “GOLD STANDARD” care for all the next 100 years.

The utter utter BASTARDS!

232117 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Two-Six, 1, #786 of 2257 🔗

And sadists.

232009 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Achilles, #787 of 2257 🔗

I agree with all of that Achilles; the only thing I would add is that the vaccine has to be indemnified. If the insurers won’t touch it then it shouldn’t be used.

231920 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #788 of 2257 🔗

trust is the issue

231933 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #789 of 2257 🔗

He has been more help than hindrance to our side, by miles, and will continue to be so no doubt. As long as vaccines are not mandated in any way and the data is transparent, if people want them then it’s fine by me. I don’t think we should let things like this distract or divide us

231935 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Cheezilla, 11, #790 of 2257 🔗

He is walking a thin line, there are people at his university furious with the CEBM and looking to disband it and de-fund it. I assume the CEBM is funded by public money? and he also works for the NHS as a doctor.
The important thing is he has and is still showing up flaws in the data and statistics on all of this nonsense. He is very much the important lone voice calling for action to be based on the evidence and the solid facts of history rather than the dodgy soothsaying of modelling.

His current work on hospital data and hospital disease spread is excellent and very much needed. I suspect his vaccine comments were to keep people on board and avoid antagonizing to many people.

231963 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #791 of 2257 🔗

Cebm has cited David Willets as a key sponsor. I think that’s David “two brains” Willets ex Conservative MP. I could be wrong. Willets has a book on the coming pension time bomb. Worth keeping it in mind.

232805 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Steve Martindale, #792 of 2257 🔗

I hope you’re right. He has been the main voice of hope for us.

231945 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Cheezilla, #793 of 2257 🔗

For what it’s worth I think the good prof is just stating the bleeding obvious vis a vis the current situation. He’s not endorsing it just saying it.

231965 ▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #794 of 2257 🔗

He is trying to sound reasonable and conciliatory so the government and media listen to him it is an understandable mistake.

231983 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #795 of 2257 🔗

I think Heneghan has to balance his statements in order to be published. To far one way and the press would ignore him. I do not think he has changed sides.

232001 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Cheezilla, #796 of 2257 🔗

Oh dear – you’ve just ruined my day Cheesey!

232124 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Cheezilla, #797 of 2257 🔗

Has he ever previously said that vaccine is unnecessary? Can’t recall is specifically., But that doesn’t mean anything- I can barely remember what day it is. Just wonder whether he sees it as a part of focused protection.

231876 Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, 10, #798 of 2257 🔗

This one is probably the BEST so far… If only the government paid the bill, the numbers would increase!

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The more dead slaves the merrier!

Courtesy of the SRF & Billionaires & jesters

231903 ▶▶ Alec in France, replying to Voz 0db, 2, #799 of 2257 🔗

Provided that the death cert shows Covid??

231954 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Alec in France, #800 of 2257 🔗

Of course! But that is an easy task… Just choose the right “test” kit and you’re in!

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232054 ▶▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to Alec in France, #801 of 2257 🔗

Must be the tradeoff.

231941 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Voz 0db, 1, #802 of 2257 🔗

Neat way of self isolating

231952 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Jo Dominich -, #803 of 2257 🔗

The best way to END all chances of infections!

231886 leggy, 3, #804 of 2257 🔗

Found this paper from the gov.uk site in my boommarks that I’d forgotten about. Includes some info regarding PCR false positives and negatives:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/895843/S0519_Impact_of_false_positives_and_negatives.pdf

Wanted share this comment from the Plymouth Live Facebook page on an article about local “cases” though as it made me laugh.

231887 Alec in France, replying to Alec in France, 17, #805 of 2257 🔗

Postcard from masked France:

After the first week of the new house arrest, it’s clear that the restrictions are being taken less seriously than the first sentence.

Much more traffic on the roads, more shops open (but ‘non-essential’ goods – like Xmas choccies – barred off in the supermarkets). Cars with two occupants in evidence – technically in breach of the lockdown rules unless for e.g. medical reasons. No police checks seen yet.

The irritating 1 hour / 1 km radius for ‘exercise’ still applies and carrying a dated and timed chitty is mandatory whenever leaving the house. However, as you can be ticked off for completing the forms in pencil, some people have discovered erasable pens ;-).

Masks are 100% in shops – I refuse to wear one so SWMBO has to do the shopping under sufferance. Muzzles are increasingly in evidence on the streets and even in the forest (in a 1 km radius of course ;-))

The only way to get exemption is via a doctor’s certificate. Guess what: the doctor won’t see you unless you wear a mask…

Polarisation of opinions is worsening. A relatively small proportion are sceptical but some friends reported yesterday that they had heard from a couple who have both tested positive despite their religious adherence to muzzles – they are blaming all those that don’t wear them (properly). We’ve learnt that it’s better to keep quiet and keep clear of them.

The widespread view is that house arrest will continue until at least March.

231915 ▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to Alec in France, 8, #806 of 2257 🔗

God that sounds awful- but France has always been more accepting of dictatorship, even so; not much liberte or fraternite going on by the sounds of it

231932 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Jakehadlee, 4, #807 of 2257 🔗

Petain was quite popular for a long while.

232115 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Jakehadlee, 1, #808 of 2257 🔗

Accepts it until the resentment boils over.

232150 ▶▶▶ Alec in France, replying to Jakehadlee, #809 of 2257 🔗

Interestingly though, a lot of the muzzle fanatics are UK expats. I’ve heard a fair bit of scepticism from French locals – often because the house arrest rules are being dreamt up by a gang of ENARCS in Paris who have no idea about rural life. It’s same attitude as the Gilets Jaunes (before ‘Jupiter’ Macron started getting them battered).

231950 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Alec in France, 8, #810 of 2257 🔗

I used to LOVE France. I can speak French OK. However since the late90’s I have noticed an increasing police state there and my last visit was in 2011. With all the yello vest crap in recent years and the brutality of the cops supressing them, I really don’t want to go there again ever unless there is a real change in the political scene there.

It really is more hateful that the UK and that is saying something. What a horrible country. Just evil.

231981 ▶▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to Two-Six, 2, #811 of 2257 🔗

Same here. I very nearly moved to France in 2004, now deeply relieved I didn’t. It is losing everything that made it great, and getting deeper and deeper into all the things that were bad about it.

232082 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Jakehadlee, 1, #812 of 2257 🔗

Thar’s tin pot Dictator Microman for you.

232000 ▶▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to Two-Six, 2, #813 of 2257 🔗

When I was studying there years ago the riot police were chasing people with truncheons down the street, we came out of the cinema and some in my group got mixed up with the crowds and were bashed. French riot police have always been vicious, they hype up with drugs or something before they unleash on the public.

232901 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Two-Six, 1, #814 of 2257 🔗

Not to mention the beheadings in Paris and Nice. On my last visit to Paris it looked more like the third world in many ways.

232043 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Alec in France, #815 of 2257 🔗

Apparently the fliks have been patrolling helicopters over some of the remote mountain areas. Either looking for Jihadis or lone hikers?

232126 ▶▶▶ Alec in France, replying to PoshPanic, #816 of 2257 🔗

Hmm – could that explain occasional (but unusual) chopper traffic over this bit of the foothills of the Pyrenees? Normally they’re just looking for undeclared extensions and swimming pools.
Luckily I have a camo jacket and cap 😉

231893 Pancho the Grey, replying to Pancho the Grey, 24, #817 of 2257 🔗

When will people understand that the lockdown doesn’t change the risk. If you go in a supermarket today you are at no more (and arguably less) risk than two days ago. And given that I have yet to see any evidence of a supermarket-induced infection that risk was indistinguishable from zero.

231918 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Pancho the Grey, 4, #818 of 2257 🔗

very clever virus, knows when to wait and when to strike.

231953 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Pancho the Grey, 4, #819 of 2257 🔗

Followed a young 20 something into the supermarket today, she was carrying her mask, I was wondering if she was actually going to wear it, followed her through the barriers and into the shop.

Bam, she put it on when she was well into the shop.

Hmm, why bother!!!

231989 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to stefarm, 5, #820 of 2257 🔗

When is see stuff like that, I immediately think ‘sceptic’. Someone who wants everyone else to know they are doing the bare minimum to play the game. Likewise masks below the nose – that infuriates people but not enough to challenge. Top banana 🍌

231896 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 6, #821 of 2257 🔗

Don’t know if this will help commenting on what how you think your local Police are handling their duties at the moment:

https://crimebodge.com/email-address-and-twitter-account-of-every-chief-constable-in-the-uk/

This lot reckon the approval rating is 90+% from the public:

https://www.polfed.org/news-media/latest-news/2020/public-vote-of-confidence-for-police-during-pandemic/

231949 ▶▶ John Galt, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #822 of 2257 🔗

That’s absolutely hilarious. There are a lot of loathed people at the moment, but the police have to be up there.

231897 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, #823 of 2257 🔗
231919 ▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to Cecil B, 4, #824 of 2257 🔗

I grew up there and I thoroughly recommend locking it down forever. Nothing to do with Covid. Just lock it down.

231976 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Cecil B, #825 of 2257 🔗

I’ve always thought that “firebreak” was a highly inappropriate term to use. My view of a firebreak is that it is an empty strip between areas created by removing the dead wood and other living material.

On the other hand perhaps it is a most appropriate term if your intention is to kill off people to create it.

231899 Alec in France, replying to Alec in France, 17, #826 of 2257 🔗

A couple of perturbing – but maybe not surprising – bits of hearsay from friends in northern England. Desperation to get the death statistics higher?

  1. Relatives of deceased Muslims are being told that the body can’t be released for around 2 weeks unless the death certificate shows Covid. If it does, burial can take place within 1 day as demanded by their religion.
  2. According to a funeral director, funeral expenses can be ‘covered’ (?) provided the death certificate shows Covid.
231913 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Alec in France, 7, #827 of 2257 🔗

Would be good if someone can uncover this, provide evidence and get the news out

232050 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Victoria, 1, #828 of 2257 🔗

Someone on here was saying the other day that their brother was an undertaker ?

231922 ▶▶ steph, replying to Alec in France, 7, #829 of 2257 🔗

I think we’d heard of the first already. Shameful manipulation as it really matters in Islam that the burial takes place within one day.
Hadn’t heard if the second one though.

232022 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to Alec in France, 4, #830 of 2257 🔗

Yep that’s on the money. Lots of little parts make the whole. The government must be so frustrated that there are intelligent people out there sussing out their little ruses.

I think a good analogy is the government are a cancer, they are definitely infecting all of our lives and trying desperately to destroy everything they touch.

Fortunately for us there is a cure. Us. For every person that starts seeing the reality the cancer diminishes.

The cancer is really scared now. Its going to do some nasties because the game is nearly up.

Bring the governments cancer into the light and it will shrivel and die.

All it takes is us, and a hugely growing us at that. Go for it!

Arnie.

233066 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Alec in France, #831 of 2257 🔗

There was conjecture a few months ago, that No 1 was the reason why the BAME death stats were higher than other groups at the time, debunking the suggestions in the news that it was a racist virus.

231902 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 11, #832 of 2257 🔗

Hydroxychloroquine postexposure prophylaxis reduces Covid incidence to 10.6% vs 19.4% untreated (p=.033) in Indian prospective control trial (n=317). Relative risk halved among RTPCR confirmed patients: 0.50 (CI .25-.99).
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0924857920304350 Post Exposure Prophylaxis with Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) for the Prevention of COVID-19, a Myth or a Reality? The PEP-CQ Study

231911 ▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to swedenborg, 7, #833 of 2257 🔗

It’s not about the virus

231934 Scouse Sceptic, replying to Scouse Sceptic, 13, #834 of 2257 🔗

I hope Simon is right on this one….

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1324676109909270529

Unconfirmed reports that the Liverpool mass Test and Trace project is being cancelled.”

231937 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Scouse Sceptic, 1, #835 of 2257 🔗

DM were reporting that earlier but have now changed their minds…

231946 ▶▶ Chestergal, replying to Scouse Sceptic, 4, #836 of 2257 🔗

Photos of the army moving into Pontins in Southport yesterday. Maybe they didn’t like their accommodation?

233153 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Chestergal, #837 of 2257 🔗

This Pontins has a Colditz vibe,army barracks probably better.

231985 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Scouse Sceptic, 5, #838 of 2257 🔗

Anyone who thinks the army were sent to Liverpool to “help” with testing needs their bumps feeling.

232007 ▶▶▶ William Hand, replying to Tom Blackburn, #839 of 2257 🔗

Oh yes please!

232094 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to William Hand, 3, #840 of 2257 🔗

Asda tells me that it has appointed extra in-store Covid thugs to ‘help’ with antisocial distancing.
Seems that the word ‘help’ is going the same way as the word ‘safe’.

231943 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 19, #841 of 2257 🔗

Cleobury Mortimer is a “1 horse town” which most people drive through from the West Midlands to Ludlow and beyond and is always busy.
If Bojo,et al plus experts and advisers think that this part of the world has ” locked down” they are patently mistaken because it’s just as busy as ever with the Co-op store and petrol station doing a roaring trade.
Come on, fellow sceptics, tell me it’s the same where you are.

231969 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Fingerache Philip., 8, #842 of 2257 🔗

Yes just the same as far as I can tell. My wife does the school run and commented that there were just as many cars on the road and people about. Her exact comment, “Doesn’t seem to be much of a lockdown this time”.

Despite our previous argument about it I think that she is actually quietly sceptical but still has me wiping the shopping down with Dettol wipes.

231977 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 7, #843 of 2257 🔗

Does she lick the packaging or just eat the food?

231971 ▶▶ Simon, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #844 of 2257 🔗

I looked to move there, I love Shropshire and Cleobury is a lovely little town.Wish I was there doing my bit.

231980 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Simon, 4, #845 of 2257 🔗

We are doing what we can.

232914 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Simon, #846 of 2257 🔗

I live in Ironbridge and find otherwise. I used to enjoy going to Much Wenlock and Bridgnorth but find them unbearable these days. So many well heeled paranoid muzzle muppets and lots of swervers and hostility too. I used to think they were nice places with friendly people but clearly that was only superficial. I prefer walks in the woods now with animals and birds for company…..they dont wear muzzles and live as they have always done.

232011 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to Fingerache Philip., 6, #847 of 2257 🔗

Yep its the same here Philip. Mortifiyingly normal.
I think the game is starting to unravel. Those in charge are going to have to get tougher and tougher on us now. Won’t that go down well? Give ’em enough rope…

232021 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Arnie, 1, #848 of 2257 🔗

How much rope do you think we’ll need?

232091 ▶▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #849 of 2257 🔗

Quite a bit. But I think it’s acceptable to use it more than once, I don’t think the ‘virus’ will mind…

232086 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Fingerache Philip., 5, #850 of 2257 🔗

Same here. Think that’s why Johnson was wheeled out again yesterday with yet another expert’s dodgy graph.

232109 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #851 of 2257 🔗

Same in the St Clement’s area of Oxford – exempt for the odd mask wearing lunatic and the closed hairdressers, it could be the old normal. Plenty of people about and traffic levels have not dropped.

232113 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #852 of 2257 🔗

My son said he thought more people were in his office yesterday – could it be that there is a small rebellion about continuing to work from home, especially when told to?

232019 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #854 of 2257 🔗

Yeah, been saying this for months to anyone that’ll listen. Had a mask and a glove float by in one day earlier in the summer

232083 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #855 of 2257 🔗

My 4-month-old puppy is obsessed with discarded masks and I’m constantly having to prise them out of her jaws.

232088 ▶▶ annie, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #856 of 2257 🔗

Found one on our beach entangled with a piece of seaweed.I was very nearly sick, but managed to convey it into a bin.

233155 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #857 of 2257 🔗

Non biodegradable as well..

231960 Sir Patrick Vaccine, 4, #858 of 2257 🔗

Irish doctor interview: “The Price Of Truth”. Witness…#Leadership.

A compassionate and emotionally charged interview with a brave Irish doctor, one who tried to speak up. To speak up for a balanced and proportionate response to this challenging viral issue.
Compassion. Rationality. Logic. Science. And more – those virtues that seemed to suddenly disappear in 2020.
Can we bring them back, before it is too late?

Ivor Cummins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WbKl2gPo4Y

231967 Alan P, replying to Alan P, 28, #859 of 2257 🔗

What seems to have got lost at the moment is the mandatory (with “exemptions”) masking.
Can we start pushing for the evidence on this pile of crap? We need this odious piece of legislation repealed and consigned to the garbage bin of hysteria ASAP.

231982 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Alan P, 18, #860 of 2257 🔗

Yep, get rid of the masks and it’s over.

Bollocks, that’s the point….

232033 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to stefarm, 8, #861 of 2257 🔗

Exactly. It’s the mask-wearers prolonging this, not us.

232586 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to stefarm, #862 of 2257 🔗

Bottom of page 7 of https://pdmj.org/Mask_Risks_Part2.pdf (shown below).

231986 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Alan P, 18, #863 of 2257 🔗

My understanding of the wording is that literally anyone can just self exempt themselves and doesn’t have to give a reason as to why.

232005 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Anothersceptic2, 22, #864 of 2257 🔗

The reason for the ambiguous wording is that human rights legislation trumps the coronavirus legislation.

THE REALITY IS THAT WE ARE ALL 100% EXEMPT.

But of course that means critical thinking and understanding, further it means people actually standing up for themselves. The British people at the moment are doormats at the moment which is why we have such compliance m

232034 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Anothersceptic2, 2, #865 of 2257 🔗

Perfectly true.

232058 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Anothersceptic2, 1, #866 of 2257 🔗

In my place of work though they say you have to provide evidence of exemption to HR. Not sure what that would be or whether they can ask that.

232100 ▶▶▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Achilles, 1, #867 of 2257 🔗

Given that exemptions are so broad and not well defined by the legislation, what evidence will cover an exemption? Employers are not compliant with the legislation if they don’t take the employee’s word for the exemption – there is no process for proving exemption.

232127 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Achilles, 2, #868 of 2257 🔗
231990 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Alan P, 14, #869 of 2257 🔗

You won’t get far. The Danish study about masks is being censored (scientific journals refuse to publish it). Obviously it finds against mask wearing.

The best is for more and more people not to wear the mask as clarified by the exemption section in face covering regulations.

232089 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Alan P, 5, #870 of 2257 🔗

Keep encouraging people to claim exemption.

Easy to understand instructions on how to become exempt are on http://www.nomasks.info along with many articles about why masks don’t work.

232135 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Alan P, 3, #871 of 2257 🔗

If I was an employer/HR I would be very wary of implementing masks as employees who get sick from wearing a mask will be able to sue their employer.

Always ask for the risk assessment they did, then query the details off the risk assessment, i.e what about bacterial infection, what about longer term damage to brains due to low levels of oxygen, what about dizziness, passing out due to low levels of oxygen and in the process fall into a piece of machinery etc.

232590 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Victoria, #872 of 2257 🔗

Danger to next generation too. https://pdmj.org/Mask_Risks_Part2.pdf .

Bottom of page 7 posted earlier.

231973 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 23, #873 of 2257 🔗

Got a letter today asking if I want my daughter to take part in the largest Covid-19 testing research study in England. She would have the pleasure of shoving a swab up her nose. Of course this would be done by us with no medical training or protocols for cross-contamination, I mean what could go wrong?

The kicker? The research is being conducted by Imperial College.

231979 ▶▶ Quernus, replying to Achilles, 7, #874 of 2257 🔗

If she’s up for it, ask her to return the sample untouched and see what result she gets back. Film it so it can be used to dispute the ever increasing “cases”.

231988 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Achilles, 8, #875 of 2257 🔗

Received these at least 2 months ago for 1 adult and later for 1 child, chucked in bin. They are not giving up.

No, don’t test. Tests lead to lockdowns

231993 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Achilles, 4, #876 of 2257 🔗

I got that for my daughter too – I hope they could feel me ripping it up!!!!

232008 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Achilles, 4, #877 of 2257 🔗

65 million people are already taking part in an experiment – and that’s just the UK.

232026 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Achilles, 4, #878 of 2257 🔗

My problem is the conflict of interest. ICL are already politically and reputationally committed to a doomsday interpretation of the data. They can’t be trusted. It should be done completely independently and then data provided to them and everyone else at the same time.

232042 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Achilles, 3, #879 of 2257 🔗

Swab that dog/cat/hamster !

232654 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to JohnB, #880 of 2257 🔗

Don’t! They get coronaviruses too!

232067 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Achilles, 4, #881 of 2257 🔗

Stick it in a papaya and send it off. That will get a positive result.

232079 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Achilles, 3, #882 of 2257 🔗

We got one too this morning for my 6-y-o. Shame it’s one day too late for the bonfire.

232151 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Achilles, 3, #883 of 2257 🔗

A question – if its your DNA they are after by testing, can they get it from you having handled the kit, even if you send it back without doing the test? Eg if you lick the envelope?

232200 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Carrie, 1, #884 of 2257 🔗

[Smile] maybe use gloves. Anything is possible

231991 kf99, replying to kf99, 7, #885 of 2257 🔗

Desmond Swayne on top form again.

231998 ▶▶ leggy, replying to kf99, 5, #886 of 2257 🔗

Storming speech from Charles Walker this week too.

https://youtu.be/B5LRFs54d70

232649 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to kf99, #887 of 2257 🔗

But he doesn’t think dePiffle is lying!

231994 Alexei, 20, #888 of 2257 🔗

Sir Charles Walker MP for Broxbourne in Hertfordshire gives an impassioned speech against the Lockdown measures:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5LRFs54d70

Well worth three minutes of your time. He does “not fear the virus, but fears something much darker, much more sinister lurking in the shadows”.

232003 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 7, #889 of 2257 🔗

I decided to help out Fishi Rishi, as he’s helping us. So what better way than an appropriate rebrand for number 11…this one’s on me

232037 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #890 of 2257 🔗

Bit too reminiscent of the white tree of Gondor. Can you make it a bit more obviously manky?

232077 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Ovis, 1, #891 of 2257 🔗

How about withered leaves in the form of £50 notes?

232084 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to annie, 1, #892 of 2257 🔗

Thought of that, but that would imply there’s still some in the bank

232080 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Ovis, 3, #893 of 2257 🔗

Option 2?

232101 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 11, #894 of 2257 🔗

Option 3

232174 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to PoshPanic, #895 of 2257 🔗

That’s good.

232177 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Ovis, 1, #896 of 2257 🔗

Genuinely laughed. The noose is nicely understated.

232010 Jenny, replying to Jenny, 1, #897 of 2257 🔗

My copy of We Do Lockdown – https://dungbeetlebooks.com/ – has arrived. It made me laugh – very welcome at the moment. I recommend! Please note I have no financial or personal interest in this plug. It just made me laugh – the detail is great!

232633 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jenny, #898 of 2257 🔗

Looks great!

232014 tonyspurs, 4, #899 of 2257 🔗

This guy in the US interviewed by Sky UK gives a big shout out to UK sceptics ha
https://twitter.com/BeNosey/status/1324449176080580608?s=20

232015 calchas, 6, #900 of 2257 🔗

We know about the financing connections between Imperial College and the Gates Foundation.

There’s also this from 2015:

“President Xi Jinping of the People’s Republic of China visited Imperial College London today (21 October).
As he visited, Imperial announced a series of new UK-China education and research collaborations.”

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/168497/chinese-president-sees-uk-china-academic-partnerships/

and..

“One of China’s top officials visited Imperial College London to explore research into sustainable transport and air quality control.
Mr Cai Qi, Secretary of the CPC Municipal Committee for Beijing, visited on Monday (14 May) and saw some of the ways Imperial has become the UK’s number one academic research partner with China, and the potential for future collaborations.
Mr Cai works closely with Chen Jining, an Imperial alumnus who serves as Mayor of Beijing, as well as China’s President Xi Jinping who visited Imperial in 2015.

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/186287/beijing-leader-hails-growing-imperial-china-collaborations/

232016 chaos, replying to chaos, 15, #901 of 2257 🔗

The Politburo has asked lawyers and medical ethics experts to look at compulsory vaccination:
https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/9253/pdf/
A couple of choice extracts: “We set out some provisions of the Mental Health Act 1983 relevant to the grounds on which a person may be detained—‘sectioned’—under the Act, and the legal basis for treatment of detained persons without consent.”

“Even accounting for any harms associated with non-consensual administration, the interference with an individual’s private life that compulsory vaccination entails seems proportionate in light of the seriousness of Covid-19 risks and impacts.”

The forcible injection into a person, I’ve heard that being done somewhere before, now let me think, where was it? Oh yes Auschwitz concentration camp and The Chinese Uigyar camps where the women are sterilised.

232035 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to chaos, 2, #902 of 2257 🔗

Fucking hell.

232046 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to chaos, 4, #903 of 2257 🔗

These people are just EVIL.

232047 ▶▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Two-Six, 1, #904 of 2257 🔗

🎥 17 Officers 👮‍♀️ To Close Gym 🤦‍♂️ How Did It Come To This?

Alex Belfield – THE VOICE OF REASON
Unbelievable disproportionate use of resources surely? 17 officers close down a gym…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VU9wU7LLr0M

To think the likes of Fraser Nelson feel sorry for Boris Johnson

232924 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #905 of 2257 🔗

Fraser is just a pathetic Tory.

232232 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Two-Six, 2, #906 of 2257 🔗

This is covered in the round-up, Rosalind English Human Rights Blog. Have a read. I am trying to get an opinion myself because I do not think authors’ article has any weight. Putting it politely. Someone posted yesterday that 2 of the authors are employed by the Wellcome Trust so are far from objective.

232146 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to chaos, 1, #907 of 2257 🔗

Didn’t someone say earlier that the BMA had informed its members that vaccination would start on 1st December?

232018 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #908 of 2257 🔗

From The Guardian:
Estimated 618,700 people in England had Covid last week
An estimated 618,700 people in private households in England had Covid-19 between 25 and 31 October, the ONS said. This is the equivalent of around 1.13% of the population.

The figures represent a jump from 568,100 people, or 1.04% of the population, who were estimated to have Covid-19 in the period 17 to 23 October.

The ONS said that, while the infection rate has increased in recent weeks, the rate is “less steep compared with previous weeks”.

232062 ▶▶ John Ballard, replying to Tom Blackburn, 10, #909 of 2257 🔗

What is truly nuts is if those scared stupid really believed this was a monster virus, why don’t they wonder why tens of thousands are not dying every day/week? 618K people had it and next to nobody died under the age of 70 with it ! You would think even the dullest would see that its about the same as flu or any other normal virus.

232176 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to John Ballard, 1, #910 of 2257 🔗

Whatever anyone thinks about the veracity of those figures, just how can anyone talk about suppression with a straight face with those numbers?

232071 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #911 of 2257 🔗

A 0.09% increase? Is that even statistically significant?!

232166 ▶▶ Will, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #912 of 2257 🔗

It looks like this lockdown, much like the last one has been so successful it has started working before it even comes into effect….. truly remarkable.

232020 JHuntz, replying to JHuntz, 8, #913 of 2257 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbjcD8bVuHc&ab_channel=BlashshoW

Tensions are rising. The Czech Republic protests from 6:00 are nuts

232122 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to JHuntz, 1, #914 of 2257 🔗

I particularly enjoyed the man wading in with the flag! Crazy times.

232023 Basics, replying to Basics, 13, #915 of 2257 🔗

Update – apologies if already posted. Taken from the link below.

https://www.thefreedomcycle.com/covid/biggest-criminal-fraud-case.html

I
COVID-1984 UPDATE |05-11-20
MOB says:
Today, the Trustees of the People’s Union of Britain served lawful documents upon the UK government cabinet office by hand, but armed policy enforcement officers said they were not allowed to accept any such deliveries.
So a courier was engaged and they were served again, but this time we were told that only mailed documents will be accepted by every government department and the package was returned.
We therefore dispatched the documents by Royal Mail Special Delivery and they are due to arrive tomorrow morning at the Cabinet Office in Whitehall. Electronic copies are also being sent to every member of the cabinet.
Within the notice, we demanded that the UK government does the following:
1. Publicly declare that the UK Government has no records of evidence that either the purportedly deadly virus or its cause actually exist, as per the results of numerous Freedom of Information requests to every government department [which are already in our possession].
2. Further declare that the Coronavirus Act 2020 is unlawful and the COVID-19 lockdown regulations are legally unenforceable and void ab initio.
3. Further declare that the Queen is no longer sovereign [by way of section 38 of the EU Withdrawal (Agreement) Act 2020, which purported to acknowledge Parliament as sovereign, thereby forfeiting its legitimacy under the Common Law], Parliament is therefore dissolved and British sovereignty automatically reverts to the People.
4. Further declare that Magna Carta 2020 – Declaration of Rights has re-established the Common Law and must be upheld by all government employees, from this day forth.
5. Further declare that the UK Government agrees to fully cooperate with comprehensive criminal investigations into the crimes committed against the People, as alleged in Magna Carta 2020.
They have until noon on 09/11/2020 to issue the foregoing declarations, in which case [we’ve told them] the sentences they receive for their crimes will be tempered by their unequivocal agreement to do all they can to put right their myriad of wrongdoings.
The two refusals of lawful documents the cabinet office are obliged to accept and respond to was filmed, along with the mailing of the package, and the video will be released as soon as it’s been edited.

232048 ▶▶ Gladiatrix, replying to Basics, 3, #916 of 2257 🔗

There is no Magna Carta 2020, only Parliament could pass such a charter. This is Freemen on the Land woo and will go nowhere.
I am more interested in the purported criminal case that will allegedly be laid before the Magistrates’ court next week. Although I suspect the response will be laughter.

232076 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Basics, 5, #917 of 2257 🔗

Thanks. Also found this on their website

IICOVID-1984 UPDATE |05-11-20

COVID-1984 PCP UPDATE | After yesterday’s developments, this morning we received a reaffirmation of our legal team’s 100% commitment to running our case against Parliament.

In essence, they have agreed that the laying of the information cannot be delayed for three weeks, as proposed yesterday. Moreover, the have agreed that it must be laid by next Monday at the latest – the 9th of November [9/11/2020].

So we won’t be laying the information ourselves today, but rest assured that we have made it plain that if the information is not laid on Monday, we will have to instruct another firm to act without delay or do it ourselves.

It is therefore very heartening that they responded by giving us their wholehearted commitment to conduct these proceedings on behalf of the People’s Union of Britain, when they could easily have bottled it, such is the pressure they are under, for taking on such a case.

No wonder 77 brigade are now plumbing the depths of desperation by accusing me of being a shill. For somebody who was placed on the ‘potential subversives’ list in 2001 and has been constantly surveilled by MI5 ever since, the seething irony certainly isn’t lost on me.

Remember remember, the 5th of November.

232145 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Victoria, 3, #918 of 2257 🔗

Interesting news. I have signed up to The Bernician newsletter, but not received anything as yet..

I’m curious as to why Simon Dolan has not had his judgment yet… they said it would be this week…

232029 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 25, #919 of 2257 🔗

I went into town this morning. Took the van to the garage. All the staff were lovely, not masked up. The last time I went in there I went through the sceptical cannon in earshot of a another nappied-up up customers waiting. He didn’t say anthing and wouldn’t look at me. haha. Today I saw a traffic warder walking down the pavement wearing one. Muppet. Maskholes a-plenty but to be fair only about 20% of people in the open wearing them. Mostly old scared people, a few ethnically divers people and one or two people who were obviously fuck-tards.

I went through town, very quite but then it has been fucked for a long time so no change there. A few shops are open. Many maskholes in town, the same demographic as above.

Stopped at a burger van, has a sceptical chat with another man in the line and managed to scare him silly in about 2 minutes flat. The burger man wasn’t chatty at all but he did concede that he thought it was all bollocks.

Back home and on the phone to the library to order Klaus Schwab’s book COVID19 the great reset. I talked to Council worker Dave and gave him the full monty, he couldn’t comment….I think I scared him too! Then got put through to a library lady and laid down some truth bomz there too.

FUCK THE NORMIES!

232036 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to Two-Six, 17, #920 of 2257 🔗

Two-Six, I’m with you 100%. Shoulder to shoulder. Everybody around me is acting as if there is no lockdown. We are winning and we are definitely gaining momentum.

Keep at it my friend. We are all doing our bit.

Arnie.

232039 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 3, #921 of 2257 🔗

I am just wondering who else I can call……lol

232040 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Two-Six, 8, #922 of 2257 🔗

All together now:-

The wheels on the bus are coming off,
coming off,
coming off . . .

232041 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to CGL, 7, #923 of 2257 🔗

haha yer! Not nearly fast enough mind you.

232059 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 2, #924 of 2257 🔗

OH yeah, the bastard council have put up fencing around the slide and swings in the park too. Fuckers.

232068 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Two-Six, 7, #925 of 2257 🔗

The video from Manchester Uni last night gives the method of dealing with the fencing!

232085 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Ozzie, 3, #926 of 2257 🔗

Agreed.

232107 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Two-Six, 1, #927 of 2257 🔗

Playgrounds are allowed to stay open though?!

232178 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Sarigan, #928 of 2257 🔗

Some of the other things are available to be fair.

The bit they fenced off has a slide that has a health and safety tube instead of an open slide.
(can’t have the zombie kids going over the eged can we)

I guess it’s an enclosed space that will get caked in snot and dribble and is too much of a risk to leave it available.

I am sure tube slides have been carefully factored into Professor Vaccines “PACKAGE OF MEASURES” and the risk they pose has been medically calculated and analysed. I am sure they know what they are doing.

232189 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Two-Six, 1, #929 of 2257 🔗

Maybe the tube is reserved for Pantsdown and whatever other man’s wife he’s currently screwing.

232277 ▶▶▶▶▶ watashi, replying to Two-Six, #930 of 2257 🔗

not here..are they not allowed to stay open this time?

232548 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Two-Six, #931 of 2257 🔗

Scissors!

232087 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Two-Six, 4, #932 of 2257 🔗

I’ve taken to truth bombing Daily Mail readers. Seems to be some uptake there. These idiots in charge are red-pilling the sheeple hard and they don’t even realise it.

232179 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to G.Fawkes, #933 of 2257 🔗

Double-Dropping the government ACID tabs EVERY NIGHT…..Mental.

232161 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Two-Six, 3, #934 of 2257 🔗

We’re the normal ones!!!

232408 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Two-Six, 1, #935 of 2257 🔗

Around here, small quiet village with main A road through it. Unusual number of people around. Neighbours, visitors, a gaggle of school children and parents, all unmasked. Plenty of traffic too, not like the ‘neutron bomb’ first lockdown.

232544 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Two-Six, 1, #936 of 2257 🔗

A good day’s work!

232032 Arnie, 17, #937 of 2257 🔗

I think a good analogy is the government are a cancer, they are definitely infecting all of our lives and trying desperately to destroy everything they touch.

Fortunately for us there is a cure. Us. For every person that starts seeing the reality the cancer diminishes.

The cancer is really scared now. Its going to do some nasties because the game is nearly up.

Bring the governments cancer into the light and it will shrivel and die.

All it takes is us, and a hugely growing us at that. Go for it!

Arnie.

232038 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 34, #938 of 2257 🔗

Just sent a FOI to the Met Police;

How many officers serving with the Metropolitan Police Service are NOT holders of a UK passport? How many non-UK passport holders serve in the Territorial Support Group (TSG)?

232057 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Awkward Git, 8, #939 of 2257 🔗

Good question!

232099 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #940 of 2257 🔗

Nice one AG. It will be very interesting to see if you get a straight answer.

232804 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to Awkward Git, #941 of 2257 🔗

Im sure they’ll try to swat that away as top secret

232880 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Awkward Git, #942 of 2257 🔗

I don’t know why anyone’s acting like this is news? Foreigners have been able to join the Police in the UK since 2001.

232044 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 1, #943 of 2257 🔗

My MP is an utter waste of space #shameonyou David Johnston

I hope you, your friends and your family continue to be safe and well.

I am sorry to be writing to you when we have just begun another lockdown. I did not want to see another lockdown and was supportive of the Government’s Tiers. Similarly, I did not want to see the county of Oxfordshire placed into Tier 2 restrictions, as local council leaders had requested, given the relatively low number of cases/hospitalisations in much of the county and the likely impact on mental health, other health conditions and local businesses of further restrictions.



Nonetheless, the data that the Government has been given suggests that the country as a whole could face a significant rise in hospitalisations and deaths if we do not have a time-limited lockdown now and so I reluctantly supported it this week.

232053 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Sarigan, 2, #944 of 2257 🔗

Hummm what a muppet, that’s a stock response anyway. I guess you have already sent him some REAL data?

232078 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Two-Six, 2, #945 of 2257 🔗

In bucket loads. Prior and now after, the links to Heneghan, DT etc.

232172 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Sarigan, 2, #946 of 2257 🔗

Blimey….A total shiester then with no excuses what so ever for his ignorance and duplicity.

232542 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Two-Six, #947 of 2257 🔗

Muppet? A lot of very rude nouns crossed my mind when I read this – and I thought my MP was a waste of space.

232064 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Sarigan, 3, #948 of 2257 🔗

“Thank you for this. I must be mistaken. Please send me the data you speak of? I know of one respected Oxford professor who is struggling to obtain such information also. Please cc Carl.Henegen@cebm.ac.uk

232152 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Sarigan, 1, #949 of 2257 🔗

They’ve been given more than enough time to choose which direction to take. They should never be forgiven

232160 ▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to Sarigan, 1, #950 of 2257 🔗

He doesn’t even sound convinced himself.

232045 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 11, #951 of 2257 🔗

🎥 17 Officers 👮‍♀️ To Close Gym 🤦‍♂️ How Did It Come To This?

Alex Belfield – THE VOICE OF REASON
Unbelievable disproportionate use of resources surely? 17 officers close down a gym…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VU9wU7LLr0M

To think the likes of Fraser Nelson feel sorry for Boris Johnson – and the Police weren’t even socially distancing

232540 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #952 of 2257 🔗

That Fraser Nelson article was appalling!

232049 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 9, #953 of 2257 🔗

Denmark has been removed from the Westminster government’s quarantine-free travel corridor list over concerns about the spread of a new strain of coronavirus in the country’s mink farms.

Why the fuck are Denmark still farming mink? Are people really still buying fur? I guess it may keep them warm in Davos though so probably yes.

232056 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Sarigan, 3, #954 of 2257 🔗

I bet they can still grow ermines for the illuminati to make furry bum cushions with.

232061 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Two-Six, 1, #955 of 2257 🔗

Think of all the posh furry face nappies.

232070 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to annie, 1, #956 of 2257 🔗

Ermine Face nappies, so comfortable….

232105 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Two-Six, 2, #957 of 2257 🔗

AND THE ORIGINAL OWNER USED TO BREATHE.

232051 Richard Pinch, 1, #958 of 2257 🔗

Health and Social Care Committee and Science and Technology Committee

For immediate release Friday 6 November 2020

Evidence session: Joint Inquiry Coronavirus: Lessons Learnt

Tuesday 10 November, 09.05am

Watch session LIVE

· Please note there is no access to Parliament
· Session will have remote participation by witnesses and Committee members

Baroness Harding to face coronavirus joint inquiry on test and trace performance

MPs will question Baroness Harding about the performance of the NHS Test and Trace programme against the backdrop of a rising number of positive Covid-19 cases.

The fourth session of the joint inquiry Coronavirus: Lessons Learnt will consider the establishment of NHS Test and Trace, the growth of laboratory capacity and turnaround times for returning test results.

Leading immunologist Professor Sir John Bell and President of the Royal College of Pathologists Professor Jo Martin will also give evidence, as well as distinguished experts Professor Dame Anne Johnson and Professor Sir Chris Ham. MPs will focus on the effectiveness of contact tracing, based on experts’ understanding of the virus, as well as the benefits of centralised or local approaches and adherence to self-isolation.

Expansion of the types of tests available, including new rapid testing and prospects for mass testing within ‘Operation Moonshot’ will also be discussed.

Baroness Harding previously appeared before the Health and Social Care Committee in its inquiry into the management of the coronavirus outbreak in June shortly after the launch of the Test and Trace programme, and gave evidence to the Science and Technology Committee in September as part of its inquiry into UK science, research and technology capability and influence in global disease outbreaks .

Witnesses:

Panel 1, from 09.05:

·      Professor Dame Anne Johnson, Professor of Infectious Disease Epidemiology, University College London
·      Professor Sir Chris Ham, Chair, Coventry and Warwickshire Health and Care Partnership, former Chief Executive, The King’s Fund

Panel 2, from 09.45:

·      Professor Sir John Bell, Regius Professor, University of Oxford
·      Professor Jo Martin, President, Royal College of Pathologists

Panel 3, from 10.30:

·      Baroness Dido Harding, Executive Chair of NHS Test and Trace programme, Department of Health and Social Care
·      Dr Susan Hopkins, Chief Medical Adviser, NHS Test and Trace

This session will be jointly chaired by Rt Hon Greg Clark MP and Rt Hon Jeremy Hunt MP.

Further information:
The Health and Social Care Committee and Science and Technology Committee’s joint inquiry into Coronavirus: lessons learnt was launched on Thursday 8 October.

232065 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 3, #959 of 2257 🔗

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Infection Survey, UK: 6 November 2020, just out

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/bulletins/coronaviruscovid19infectionsurveypilot/6november2020

During the most recent week (25 to 31 October 2020), we estimate there were around 8.38 new COVID-19 infections for every 10,000 people per day (95% credible interval: 6.92 to 10.93) in the community population in England, equating to around 45,700 new cases per day (95% credible interval: 37,700 to 59,600); incidence appears to have stabilised at around 50,000 new infections per day.

And from last week’s survey pilot

For England, the incidence rate continues to increase; during the most recent week (17 to 23 October 2020), we estimate there were around 9.52 new COVID-19 infections for every 10,000 people per day (95% credible interval: 7.06 to 14.53) in the community population in England, equating to around 51,900 new cases per day (95% credible interval: 38,500 to 79,200).

Note that

8.38 < 9.52 (and 45,700 < 51,900)

What does that tell us?

232162 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 5, #960 of 2257 🔗

My initial thoughts are

  1. The number of new ‘infections’ (or positive covid-19 tests) for the week ending 31st October is less than the previous week and appears to be now falling. The secondary seasonal ripple appears to have peaked if you like. The modelled ONS estimate with smoothing in figure 6 has levelled off and is potentially falling also.
  2. This fall off in positive tests is consistent with the zoe covid symptom study which shows the same
  3. There has been a big fall in the percentage of the population testing positive in the North-West in particular (see figure 4)
  4. The age group split shows no cause for concern, the age 70 rate is only increasing very slowly (see figure 5)
  5. There can be no cause for concern to justify the current lockdown based on the above alone (I’d argue there is no justification even if it was still increasing but that’s another matter)
  6. This information was presumably available to Whitty and Vallance
  7. They chose to ignore the data analysis and to use discredited out of date and irrelevant computer modelling figures instead
232208 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #961 of 2257 🔗

No. VW continue beetling along the prescribed route.

232219 ▶▶ Will, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #962 of 2257 🔗

Thank you four this, I hope you will forgive my plagiarism but I quoted much of what you posted on FB. Please could you post a link to last week’s summary?

232237 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Freecumbria, 2, #964 of 2257 🔗

daily infections going down – as agrees with the KCL datawhich has been going down since 1st Nov

https://covid.joinzoe.com/data

(this graphs total currently infected but their daily infections peaked on 31 Oct – total infected should flatten in several days and the start to fall)

232066 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 10, #965 of 2257 🔗

Simon Dolan on Twitter: unconfirmed reports that the mass testing in Liverpool is being cancelled…

232147 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #966 of 2257 🔗

That would be a massive turnaround. Let’s hope they prove well founded

232164 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #967 of 2257 🔗

or maybe nobody turned up?

232839 ▶▶ alison, replying to A. Contrarian, #968 of 2257 🔗

Hopefully correct. Would be good news not only because of the stupidity and expense of the idea but would all so leave Johnson completely exposed. Two days ago this was his big plan. He is absolutely on his way out if he u turns on this and has no plan.

232069 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 7, #969 of 2257 🔗

Gemma O’Doherty, Investigative Journalist in Ireland. This Irish Investigation into Covid shows that The Department of health refuse to confirm existence of a “virus” in writing.

Confirmation that the virus was never isolated. On top of this, the CDC in July revealed that there is no Covid-19 in a document titled “CDC 2019-Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic panel”, dated July 13, 2020.

So, what are people dying of? Well… The same thing they die of every year!

https://www.thefreedomcycle.com/covid/biggest-criminal-fraud-case.html ?

232227 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to Victoria, -1, #970 of 2257 🔗

She’s a nut bag.

232274 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Recusant, #971 of 2257 🔗

She said the Troubles was a NWO false flag or something. Orchestrated by the deep state

233012 ▶▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #972 of 2257 🔗

Yeah a friend just sent me a text about this stuff .It’s sad people fall for this nonsense .I’ve send her back a Ivor Cummins video to clear her mind and keep her sane .

232072 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 7, #973 of 2257 🔗

Apparently by Pam Ayres. A friend sent me this. What do you think?

I’m normally a social girl
I love to meet my mates
But lately with the virus here
We can’t go out the gates
You see, we are the ‘oldies’ now
We need to stay inside
If they haven’t seen us for a while
They’ll think we’ve upped and died
They’ll never know the things we did
Before we got this old
There wasn’t any Facebook
So not everything was told
We may seem sweet old ladies
Who would never be uncouth
But we grew up in the 60s –
If you only knew the truth!
There was sex and drugs and rock ‘n roll
The pill and miniskirts
We smoked, we drank, we partied
And were quite outrageous flirts
Then we settled down, got married
And turned into someone’s mum,
Somebody’s wife, then nana,
Who on earth did we become?
We didn’t mind the change of pace
Because our lives were full
But to bury us before we’re dead
Is like a red rag to a bull!
So here you find me stuck inside
For four weeks, maybe more
I finally found myself again
Then I had to close the door!
It didn’t really bother me
I’d while away the hour
I’d bake for all the family
But I’ve got no flaming flour!
Now Netflix is just wonderful
I like a gutsy thriller
I’m swooning over Idris
Or some random sexy killer
At least I’ve got a stash of booze
For when I’m being idle
There’s wine and whiskey, even gin
If I’m feeling suicidal!
So let’s all drink to lockdown
To recovery and health
And hope this awful virus
Doesn’t decimate our wealth
We’ll all get through the crisis
And be back to join our mates
Just hoping I’m not far too wide
To fit through the flaming gates!

232097 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Country Mumkin, #974 of 2257 🔗

Ronnie Scott’s (least) favourite poet, whimsical, mundane, and lacking insight but don’t let that put you off necessarily!

232116 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Hieronimusb, 1, #975 of 2257 🔗

It was sent to “make me laugh” or “cheer me up”. It made me laugh alright, but not in the way intended.

232194 ▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Country Mumkin, #976 of 2257 🔗

It did the rounds during Lockdown the first as a Pam Ayres piece.
It did make me laugh back then, but now…….

232075 Arnie, 35, #978 of 2257 🔗

My nephew had two covid tests last week (he was sent home, on public transport, because he had a cold.)

The first test came back positive.

His parents didn’t believe he had covid so they sent for another test.

Three days after the first test the second test came back negative.

Not possible.

Luckily my extended family are all ignoring the current dictats so they carried on working, etc. The school wouldn’t let him back until he’d been tested. The school now doesn’t know whether to let him back or not. It seems nobody knows…

I do. I know. But so do you…

232081 JHuntz, replying to JHuntz, 6, #979 of 2257 🔗

Best breakdown I have seen of the lockdown 2.0 restrictions throughout Europe:-

https://www.thelocal.es/20201105/what-parts-of-europe-are-locked-down-or-under-curfew?utm_source=piano&utm_medium=onsite&utm_campaign=71&tpcc=es-latest

Reappearing theme of not being able to leave the house unless it’s for work/ school or daily exersize. These rules are far too co-ordinated to be a coincidence.

232138 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to JHuntz, 10, #980 of 2257 🔗

People still persist in the belief that this is all down to government incompetence and arse covering.This is set to last until at least March.The extension of furlough and self employment grants prove this.

232141 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #981 of 2257 🔗

Which people are these that talk about “incompetence”? Can you provide some links/quotes?

232154 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Julian, 4, #982 of 2257 🔗

If you read this blog daily you will know that Toby Young is a firm believer.Peter Hitchens also.A few posters on here too.I dare say you are one

232202 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #983 of 2257 🔗

Where has TY referred to “incompetence”? Or Hitchens for that matter. I understood Hitchens’ position (which happens to be mine) was that the government panicked and are now arse-covering and/or enjoying the easy power. I suppose you could see failure to do a cost benefit analysis and panicking as incompetence, but for me it is more cowardice and political expediency.

233191 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Julian, #984 of 2257 🔗

Hitchens said on talk radio unless he could see written proof of a conspiracy then he wouldn’t believe it,which is tantamount to saying never.Toby might not say incompetence but his posts are laced with the assumption.

232168 ▶▶▶▶ James, replying to Julian, 4, #985 of 2257 🔗

Toby Young consistently argues that the whole debacle is stupidity and incompetence backed up by hubris and self serving cronyism.

232182 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to James, 13, #986 of 2257 🔗

Too much co ordination and similarity between differing countries and there is a clear direction of travel for this to be anything but a worldwide plot.
I desperately hope I am wrong and would love to throw my tin foil hat in the bin but on the evidence I have seen it is the only rational explanation.

232936 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #987 of 2257 🔗

For some time I went along with Young and Hitchens but I now feel it has to be about more than stupidity and arse covering. It just makes no sense to destroy both economy and society to keep alive a relatively small number of very old and very ill people for a few more months. My cat could work that out.

232188 ▶▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to James, 2, #988 of 2257 🔗

And also arse covering. The “second wave” has been manipulated to make it look as though the government is responsible for it being beaten when it is actually effective herd immunity that is doing the job and always was going to do the job.

232250 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Julian, #989 of 2257 🔗

Are you unable to search yourself, Julian ?

232159 ▶▶▶ James, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #990 of 2257 🔗

Toby Young.

232205 ▶▶ Julian, replying to JHuntz, 1, #991 of 2257 🔗

These rules are far too co-ordinated to be a coincidence”

Or is it that they are fairly obvious rules to draw up, and similar governments in similar countries come to similar conclusions and copy one another

233192 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Julian, #992 of 2257 🔗

Since when have we copied Slovakia

232239 ▶▶ fran, replying to JHuntz, 3, #993 of 2257 🔗

I think that the reason for the apparent coordination of responses to Covid is the EU. One of the 27 EU Commissioners is Stella Kyriakides whose official job title is ‘EU Commissioner for Health and Food Safety’. Yup …. the EU doesn’t seem to think that there can be any experts in the 27 Nation States capable of dealing with Health & Food Safety so it has to be dealt with by the super-experts in the EU.
Last week the EU arranged a video conference call with the 27 Nations Health Ministers to ensure decisions were being taken in coordination with the EU.

Here is part of the statement put out by the EU ….
“The European Commission is coordinating a common European response to the coronavirus outbreak. We are taking resolute action to reinforce our public health sectors and mitigate the socio-economic impact in the European Union. We are mobilising all means at our disposal to help our Member States coordinate their national responses and are providing objective information about the spread of the virus and effective efforts to contain it. President von der Leyen has established a Coronavirus response team at political level to coordinate our response to the pandemic.”

Notice the word ‘coordinate’.

232090 G.Fawkes, replying to G.Fawkes, 7, #994 of 2257 🔗

Out of the night that covers me
Black as the pit from pole to pole,
I thank whatever gods may be
For my unconquerable soul.

In the fell clutch of circumstance,
I have not winced nor cried aloud.
Under the bludgeonings of chance
My head is bloody, but unbowed.

Beyond this place of wrath and tears
Looms but the Horror of the shade,
And yet the menace of the years
Finds, and shall find, me unafraid.

It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate:
I am the captain of my soul.

Invictus – William Ernest Henley

232098 ▶▶ chaos, replying to G.Fawkes, 2, #995 of 2257 🔗

I should be so lucky lucky lucky lucky – Kylie Minogue

232110 ▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to chaos, 8, #996 of 2257 🔗

…sorry mate, getting lucky has been banned by the government.

232212 ▶▶ wat tyler, replying to G.Fawkes, 1, #997 of 2257 🔗

It’s a great poem by a man who lost his left leg at a young age and nearly lost his right one as well . It’s given people strength over the years and may it continue to do so .

232092 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 3, #998 of 2257 🔗

Could have been funny, but it is our money

https://twitter.com/DJack_Journo/status/1324673786642313216

232111 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Victoria, 4, #999 of 2257 🔗

More accurately money that doesn’t exist until and unless it has to be repaid. Real wealth is only created by work done, not by ctrl print. Great image though.

232134 ▶▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to Hieronimusb, 5, #1000 of 2257 🔗

Good old fractional reserve banking. “I’ll lend you something that doesn’t exist, and you can pay me back with your labour.”

232144 ▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Cicatriz, 3, #1001 of 2257 🔗

Exactly so, fiat currency and fractional reserve banking are two great evils which urgently need review. We seem to be ever more determined to forget what we already knew. We fritter away our energies on redecorating the house while the roof is caving in..

232148 ▶▶▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Hieronimusb, 2, #1002 of 2257 🔗

Fictional reserve banking, built in instability… what a genius idea. Hahahahaha!

232321 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Hieronimusb, #1003 of 2257 🔗

There’s no such thing as fractional reserve banking. It’s a total myth.

Banks discount real things into bank liabilities. They are essentially pawnbrokers in shiny suits.

232323 ▶▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Hieronimusb, 1, #1004 of 2257 🔗

But the money causes real work to be done. That’s why it is constantly created in a monetary economy.

We trade by exchanging debts with each other.

232621 ▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Lucan Grey, #1005 of 2257 🔗

We do doesn’t mean we should.

232129 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Victoria, 7, #1006 of 2257 🔗

Does anyone still think the government have any intention of paying any of this money back
This leads to the collapse of sterling and the creation of a digital currency to go with our digital passports.

232941 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #1007 of 2257 🔗

I dont think they ever intend to repay it. The currencies will collapse and then its good old digital currency and social credit…WHICH WE WILL NOT GET AS WE HAVE BEEN BAD BOYS!

232163 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Victoria, 2, #1008 of 2257 🔗

the KLF burnt less

232093 Anothersceptic2, replying to Anothersceptic2, 5, #1009 of 2257 🔗

Why do the BBC etc. still refer to the cases as infections when the PCR test cannot be used to diagnose infectiousness? Even Valance and Witty confirmed that in the panel earlier in the week.

232102 ▶▶ annie, replying to Anothersceptic2, 15, #1010 of 2257 🔗
  1. Because the BBC are liars.
  2. In order to frighten the zombies even more. Apparently the Beeb thinks that without regular doses of fear porn, zombies just might begin to turn into human beings. Personally I doubt it.
232121 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Anothersceptic2, 9, #1011 of 2257 🔗

I know the answer to this one as I put in an official complaint, got the answer below, appealed, ignored, sent to OFCOM, ignored:

Part 1

Subject: Re: BBC Complaints – Case number CAS-6277566-T8W8H9 – rebuttal
Date: 13 October 2020 at 11:44:52 BST
To: BBC Complaints <bbc_complaints_website@contact.bbc.co.uk>

I must say that is a pretty pathetic answer – 3 links to wishy washy articles that don’t really say much at all. They certainly do not address the complaint.

It basically says in not so many words “we are just following orders” and “we are not going to question anything or rock the boat – well maybe a teeny weeny little bit”.

Why is the BBC not demanding from Government and Councils an explanation of their actions and the deliberate lies that are being stated as truth?

Attached is the FOI answer I quoted:

From that document:

“- supply the justification that a “positive” test means the person is suffering from the virus as is a danger to the public and must be isolated.
SARS-CoV-2 RNA means the RNA is present in that sample at that point in time.

It does not mean that the patient has the novel coronavirus (COVID-19).

Patients can have SARS-CoV-2 RNA before onset of illness, during the illness and after resolution of symptoms (all variable periods). The result has to be taken into context of symptoms present. “

So the test means zero medically.

Also zero symptoms with a positive test means nothing medically. That would be classified as a “false positive”. In one of the links you sent me it states:

“Could it be true that 90% of positive results from tests in the community – that means tests not carried out in hospitals – are false? The answer is “no” – there is no way that so-called false positives have had such an impact on the figures.”

This is a false statement. Even a Government Minister – Grant Shapps I think it was – when questioned answered that 93% of positives could be false.

This assumption is upheld in the FOI answer as well.

In the document they also provided a link to a document by Health Technology Wales that is apparently in answer to this question:

– the official policy/guidance from DHSC to the various bodies who are following the above policy.

I can confirm that the Department holds information relevant to your request. As the information held by the Department is in the public domain, we will under Section 21 of the FOI Act (information accessible to the applicant by other means) refer you to the published source, a summary of evidence on the accuracy of the test,

https://www.healthtechnology.wales/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/EAR025-COVID19-diagnostics-report-v2.6.pdf

It does include a few notable gems such as (the paper’s original comments in blue with their updates in umber and with my notes in red):

We identified 39 individual studies and one pooled analysis reporting outcomes including diagnostic accuracy, detection rates and the time taken to obtain test results. We carried out quality assessment of the studies and judged the majority to be at risk of bias in one or more aspect of their design or conduct, which means their results may not be reliable. So not too accurate then these studies?

Some studies did not include methods of confirmatory/differential diagnosis to validate the test results obtained (e.g. the proportion of likely false positive and negative results). A pooled analysis estimated the sensitivity of an initial RT-PCR test result to be 89%, using results of repeated RT-PCR as the reference standard. So does this mean that there is an estimated 11% false result?

There are important gaps in the available evidence on the effectiveness of tests for the presence of SARS-CoV-2. Studies of virus testing in asymptomatic patients, or in specific populations such as healthcare workers are limited in number and there is no evidence on the validated diagnostic performance of the tests beyond their use in the hospital setting. So pretty useless then?
a true assessment of the accuracy of RT-PCR test results is very challenging, and using these RT-PCR for validation mean the same issues apply to the results of antibody tests studied in this way. so the test has lots of problems with accuracy and the antibody test cannot be used for double checking the results due to these inaccuracies?

So basically as admitted by the DHSC the tests are “unreliable” to say the least, have no reference standard to double check the accuracy against and that have results that means nothing medically?

232125 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #1012 of 2257 🔗

Part 2 – their excuses in bold and italics below

And yet the Government and Councils aided and abetted by MSM and organisations such as yourself still pump out the continuous propaganda that whole swathes of the population have to be put into isolation and incarceration based on these tests and results.

So why is the BBC not holding the Government to account on the deliberately misleading information and fear-porn propaganda they are churning out on an hourly basis but merrily going along with it?

Also why is this statement by CMO Whitty in the Health and Social Care Committee hearing on the 21st July 2020 not being reported and the Government held to account:

“If you look at the R, and the behaviours, quite a lot of the change that led to the R going below one occurred well before, or to some extent before, the 23rd, when the full lockdown started.”

This one comment totally undermines and destroys the whole narrative of “following the science” to justify population lockdown and proves Sweden, Tanzania, South Dakota, Taiwan and Belarus among a very few others followed the correct course and 2000 years of medical experience dealing with these types of illnesses was the correct “treatment protocol”.

This, in effect, means that “the virus” infection rate was dropping drastically BEFORE the incarceration of the population started and that the existing precautions – wash hands properly, coughing etiquette, stay at home if you feel ill – were effectively controlling the spread of “the virus”.

It also means that the peak of the infections occurred PRIOR to the population incarceration commenced and as the average time from catching “the virus” to death has been widely stated as 23 days with the peak numbers of deaths occurring approximately 10-14 days from commencement of the incarceration it means that the imprisonment of the population and destruction of the economy has had NO effect whatsoever.

Here is a link to a video I had made for me by parliamentlivetv of the relevant section of the committee hearing:

https://1drv.ms/v/s!Agv7JEO8MngCiSmT-rY5ChSI9LV-

It’s 23 MB so too big too e-mail.

You can download it yourself on their website – set the start time at 10:58:00 and end time as 11:01 – their instructions are easy to follow.

Feel free to broadcast it as much as you like or even get parliamentlivetv to send you a copy.

National Broadcaster? Independent news?

Not in my opinion and your new Director General Tim Davie has an uphill struggle on his hands to drag the reputation of the BBC out of the gutter where it has been for many years.

Yours sincerely

J
On 13 Oct 2020, at 08:09, BBC Complaints <bbc_complaints_website@contact.bbc.co.uk> wrote:
Reference CAS-6277566-T8W8H9

Dear
Mr

Thank you for contacting us regarding BBC News.

Please accept our apologies for the delay in replying. We know our correspondents appreciate a quick response and we are sorry you have had to wait on this occasion.

We note your view our coverage of the coronavirus pandemic has frequently stated that a “positive test for coronavirus equates to a case and that the person is suffering from Covid-19.”

We report on the figures as supplied and defined by the government and clearly attribute the data to their source in our coverage. We have reported on issues relating to testing and the possible infection rates elsewhere. Examples of this can be found via the
links below:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/health-52521897

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54000629

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/54270373

Finally, we would once more like to assure you that your complaint has been forwarded to senior management and your points were included on our overnight reports.

Thank you once again for getting in touch.

Kind regards

Terry Hughes

BBC Complaints Team
http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints&nbsp ;

Please note: this email is sent from an unmonitored address so please don’t reply. If necessary please contact us through our webform (please include your case reference number).

232142 ▶▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #1013 of 2257 🔗

You definitely have a lot more patience than I have.

232155 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #1014 of 2257 🔗

2nd bit awaiting approval but the BBC’s answer, in part:

We report on the figures as supplied and defined by the government and clearly attribute the data to their source in our coverage. We have reported on issues relating to testing and the possible infection rates elsewhere.

232133 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Anothersceptic2, 6, #1015 of 2257 🔗

The British Bedwetters Collective care not a jot for what is verifiably true, they care only for the false gods of a deeply flawed and unwholesome ideology which seeks to win the day by misleading the unwary. Their entire output should carry a warning to maintain your critical faculties at all times. I stopped watching TV nearly 25 years ago and, having listened to R4 for many hours a day over many years, stopped listening about 15 years ago. I mourn the corruption and loss of impartiality but simply can’t be doing with it.

232095 JSMill, replying to JSMill, 3, #1016 of 2257 🔗

https://ukhumanrightsblog.com/2020/11/05/compulsory-vaccination-the-next-step-for-covid-19/

Argues against the ridiculous “evidence” note. Lots of comments on it are sceptical.

(NB – The current incumbent of No 10 is a member of these Chambers. I am glad she is well shot of him and I do hope she is well (she has bravely spoken out about her cancer battle in the recent past).

232104 ▶▶ JSMill, replying to JSMill, 3, #1017 of 2257 🔗

oops meant – “current incumbent of No 10’s ex wife (Marina Wheeler)

232371 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to JSMill, #1018 of 2257 🔗

I was trying to imagine BJ as a QC then realised you meant his ex.

232106 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 10, #1019 of 2257 🔗

Now the police trying to shut down journalists reporting on a story

video

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1324685636444577792

232114 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Victoria, 8, #1020 of 2257 🔗

I Can’t Believe It’s Not East Germany!

232165 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Victoria, 7, #1021 of 2257 🔗

Usual copper without a clue of the law

232187 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Victoria, 5, #1022 of 2257 🔗

COPS IN FACE NAPPIES
FACE-NAPPY FASCISTS

232191 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Two-Six, 9, #1023 of 2257 🔗

They only put them on when they might get filmed.They happily go maskless in their vans and cars

232192 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 2, #1024 of 2257 🔗

Just sickening.

232949 ▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Two-Six, #1025 of 2257 🔗

The police are just scum now….I would not piss on them if they were on fire. I used to love Dixon of Dock Green as a kid though!

232108 NickR, 10, #1026 of 2257 🔗

The link below is to the PHE Weekly national Influenza and COVID19 surveillance report
Week 45 report (up to week 44 data). It makes fascinating reading, there’s no pandemic!
I’ve picked out just one chart, calls about Covid to 111, wouldn’t you think if it was increasing exponentially there’d be an increase in calls to 111? There isn’t, it’s been consistently reducing for weeks.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/932943/Weekly_Flu_and_COVID-19_report_w45_FINAL.PDF

232131 p02099003, 5, #1027 of 2257 🔗

Another divisive HYS on the BBC https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54826403 . Some people think that demonstrating complete ignorance is a good thing whilst down voting rational arguments.

232132 NickR, replying to NickR, 9, #1028 of 2257 🔗

BBC R4 WATO, 2 stories:

  1. US election, 3 interviews, each with a Democrat supporter.
  2. Some Liverpool official talking about requiring a negative test to go to pub, meal, play sport, a health passport!

There is now way out of this, if we’ve done this for coronavirus how will we not do it for flu?

232143 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to NickR, 7, #1029 of 2257 🔗

Mass testing can only lead to this.Liverpool has been chosen as the guinea pig in the same way Leicester was chosen as the test bed for the local lockdown system.

232149 ▶▶▶ NickR, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 10, #1030 of 2257 🔗

I think they chose Liverpool as it’s the only place where Boris couldn’t get any more unpopular & no matter what they do to them the ‘mawkish scousers’ will never vote for Johnson.

232158 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to NickR, 2, #1031 of 2257 🔗

Maybe but it’s coming to a city near you.Operation Moonshot

232365 ▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #1032 of 2257 🔗

Maybe they are going up a list of English cities (by population) beginning with the letter “L”, if so London is next.

232175 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to NickR, 6, #1033 of 2257 🔗

Jeremy Vine show talking of large queues in Waverley to take Army organised mass testing.

” it’s important that a large enough proportion of the population volunteer to take the the test . . . or we might have to think of ‘incentives’ to take part’ “.

Like not getting arrested ?

232401 ▶▶▶ Polemon2, replying to karenovirus, 1, #1034 of 2257 🔗

I think you mean “Wavertree”

232137 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 50, #1035 of 2257 🔗

If they’ve now admitted the lockdown data is wrong, then why are we still in lockdown? It’s not as though it’s ‘nice to have’ or ‘free from harm’, is it? If a prisoner is found to have been convicted on dodgy evidence, the conviction is quashed and he’s let out immediately. They don’t say, “well, he’s there now, so we might as well leave him there”, do they? THAT’S about freedom too.

232173 ▶▶ IanE, replying to James Leary #KBF, 17, #1036 of 2257 🔗

“If a prisoner is found to have been convicted on dodgy evidence, the conviction is quashed and he’s let out immediately”

Indeed – and he is given compensation!

232139 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 20, #1037 of 2257 🔗

So: £200 fine if you leave your home without a reasonable excuse.
Well, round here, there’s hell of a lot of people with a reasonable excuse.

232153 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Fingerache Philip., 20, #1038 of 2257 🔗

I hope ‘Fuck You’ is a reasonable excuse.

232156 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to G.Fawkes, 6, #1039 of 2257 🔗

Sounds OK to me.

232209 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to G.Fawkes, 3, #1040 of 2257 🔗

‘You’ is interchangeable with ‘Off’ in LD2

232169 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Fingerache Philip., 12, #1041 of 2257 🔗

Same around here though their excuses are unknown.
No police around to check, maybe they don’t want to get involved this time but wait ! >>>
A caller to Jeremy Vines lockdown regs expert complained of being told to move on by 2 policepersons when sitting on the sea wall at Weston Super Mare. There were people sitting on the wall and benches all along the lengthy prom and all were instructed to ‘keep moving’.

Said expert declared ‘those officers did not know what they were doing, this time you are Permitted to Sit on a Bench.’

Hallelujah: thank you boris for your humanity.

232337 ▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to karenovirus, 2, #1042 of 2257 🔗

Slowly, people wake up.

232171 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #1043 of 2257 🔗

Answer: wear a general purpose lanyard displaying the words:
‘I have a valid excuse. Thankyou for your understanding.’

232180 ▶▶ John Galt, replying to Fingerache Philip., 7, #1044 of 2257 🔗

There was always a fine in place for that, they’ve just raised it. From the 22nd of April:

https://www.stoneking.co.uk/literature/e-bulletins/coronavirus-covid-19-worried-about-being-fined-leaving-house-guidance-new

With masks there was also always a fine, and then when they reiterated the mask rules a couple of months ago, they raised the fine and made a big thing about it again. It’s all from the same playbook.

In reality, the vast majority of us won’t even see the police let alone get stopped by them, but any fine that does get given out will be front page news to scare everyone into compliance.

232198 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to John Galt, 3, #1045 of 2257 🔗

Have your phone on recording mode at all times to pass to Talk radio and other sympathetic organisations.

232259 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to Fingerache Philip., 7, #1046 of 2257 🔗

But we can go shopping, exercise as much as we want etc. There’s no plausible way for the police to know you don’t have a reasonable excuse. So it’s nonsense. I’ve just popped out to have a general look about, and I can’t see much difference to before Thursday in terms of numbers of people.

232358 ▶▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to kenadams, 3, #1047 of 2257 🔗

If I were planning a bit of naughtiness over the weekend by meeting up, police can’t prove I’m not with household or support bubble, and I don’t expect to see any of them along the way anyway.

232334 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #1048 of 2257 🔗

Simply, you are allowed as much exercise as you wish, no restrictions such as only one hour.

The fines are just to frighten the easily accepting masses.

232995 ▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Dave #KBF, 1, #1049 of 2257 🔗

The hour exercise was an urban myth put about by people listening to Gove at a press conference .When asked by a reporter how much exercise should people take ? he replied i don’t know about an hour .Incredible some people took that to be the law .

233409 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to wat tyler, #1050 of 2257 🔗

Even more incredible that some people followed it! I stayed out all day every day ripping notices down in all the nice weather.

232140 Voz 0db, -1, #1051 of 2257 🔗

Students Tear Down Hated Fence in Manchester

I guess this cattle is upset!

comment image
WEAR A MUZZLE… OBEY!

232181 right2question, replying to right2question, 9, #1052 of 2257 🔗

i’ve just learnt a phrase that i didn’t know before – although i’ve been noticing an effect of this kind of language. predictive programming. at the moment i’m digging myself out of the march furlough predictive programming to know that we must know that we can have the power to change things, and that starts with what’s in our own minds

232185 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to right2question, 2, #1053 of 2257 🔗

That’s a fun rabbit hole. Try 9/11 and Back To The Future. Enjoy.

232249 ▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to G.Fawkes, 2, #1054 of 2257 🔗

Best you don’t look at the album artwork for Supertramps, Breakfast in America.

Probably just a huge coincidence.

232356 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to G.Fawkes, 1, #1055 of 2257 🔗

Crumbs, we watched that the other night. It did my head in as I kept trying to follow the paradoxes instead of just eating the popcorn.

232183 Awkward Git, 8, #1056 of 2257 🔗

Found this while doing some research on human rights and crimes against humanity:

https://civilservant.org.uk/ethics-human_rights.html

A quote:

There is a human right to freely express one’s opinion. All it means is that the government should not stop people from expressing themselves. It does not mean that other people can be forced to hear that person speak, or to read what they write.

The right to family life means the government must not interfere in people’s family lives; it does not mean people can force their families to make them part of their lives.”

and:

British judges need not slavishly follow European Court decisions, but they must take them into account. They will therefore seek to interpret UK legislation in a way which is compatible with the Convention. In doing so, the Courts can quash or ignore secondary legislation”

Which to me means to me Statutory Instruments as these are secondary, supplementary legislation.

232184 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 11, #1057 of 2257 🔗

I think sadly because we’ve been naughty people and not obeying the lockdown rules, the Gestapo, sorry I meant the police? will try to make some examples over the weekend.

232218 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Fingerache Philip., 10, #1058 of 2257 🔗

They have already started, the Million Mask March in London on Thursday evening resulted in hundreds, maybe even a thousand or more people being kettled, before being arrested for being part in a gathering of two or more people.

MMM end of the march

MMM kettle on Oxford street, including arrests

By the end of the second video approx. 23:00 BBC New website was reporting more than 4 arrests. I watch far more being arrested during these videos.

Thanks for whoever posted to link to YT Subject Access channel last night.

Stay strong everyone, we need to stand up to this, or future generation are sunk.

232223 ▶▶▶ EssieSW, replying to Dave #KBF, 3, #1059 of 2257 🔗

Just saw a headline that said 190 arrested!

232235 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to EssieSW, 5, #1060 of 2257 🔗

Always police and cells available for people going against the official narrative. Brave of the people to attend.

Not sure why the public can’t figure out if the police are just ‘protecting’ us from a deadly virus why are people getting censored, arrested and beaten each week. They look more like an occupying force.

233189 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Darryl, #1061 of 2257 🔗

If the UK was invaded then the occupying force would probably institute similar measures to the ones the Government have.
When you understand that it all makes sense.

232244 ▶▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to EssieSW, 2, #1062 of 2257 🔗

I can believe that, they got protestors kettled on Oxford St., from about 19:00. Processing those detained was still going on at 23:00 when the last live stream was stopped (because the camera operator was arrested) still many people in the kettle.

232245 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Dave #KBF, 4, #1063 of 2257 🔗

Estimate was 3000 protestors in attendance.

232350 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Dave #KBF, 2, #1064 of 2257 🔗

Perhaps the government will only listen when we blow Dick’s budget for overtime .
No smutty comments, please.

232476 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #1065 of 2257 🔗

They started last night. Kettling a couple of hundred people on Oxford Street for 3 hours, before making arrests. Not much about it on the MSM of course.

I watched it live here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HybPhPk8fI

232186 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 14, #1066 of 2257 🔗

Does anyone know if this government can be charged with Malfeasance. To deliberately mislead the Public by issuing fraudulent Covid information surely heads should roll over this. Its totally unacceptable.

232220 ▶▶ Tiberius, replying to Bella Donna, 11, #1067 of 2257 🔗

I’ve lost count over the last couple of days of how many news reports I’ve heard saying “Trump is alleging voter fraud without evidence”. Have a guess how many news reports I’ve heard over the last couple of days saying “Whitty and Vallance are alleging 4,000 deaths a day without evidence”.

Yep. You’re right.

232315 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Bella Donna, #1068 of 2257 🔗

Parliament is it’s own court.

We’re not the USA.

232504 ▶▶ dommo, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #1069 of 2257 🔗

gross negligence manslaughter should do the trick – no need to get fancy…

232195 2 pence, replying to 2 pence, 3, #1070 of 2257 🔗
232213 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to 2 pence, 1, #1071 of 2257 🔗

Great link. However, they should think of reducing the time of these videos. Time is precious!

232467 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Victoria, #1072 of 2257 🔗

Watch on youtube, you can double the speed.

232214 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to 2 pence, 5, #1073 of 2257 🔗

If they [government] are not able to finish off the economy by Christmas, they will have enough time to finally crush it [by March end of furlough]

232197 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 8, #1074 of 2257 🔗

I thought the Dolan court case result was this week?

Is the court being cute and waiting for Parliament to go home for the weekend?

232201 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1075 of 2257 🔗

Yes, I was wondering the same thing. Is there any chance that the case can win – will it be seen as interference in government policy?

232203 ▶▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 2, #1076 of 2257 🔗

Having said that, if the judges were going to throw it out on that basis they would have done so by now.

232206 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1077 of 2257 🔗

It’s Friday, parliament has gone home for the weekend.

232317 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Recusant, 1, #1078 of 2257 🔗

And so have judges I would think

232199 Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 42, #1079 of 2257 🔗

Just walked across the playground to get some coffee. The sixth form boys are happily playing some version of football in the sunshine – no masks, no social distancing, all looking very happy, carefree and having a great time – long may it last.

232349 ▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Ozzie, 2, #1080 of 2257 🔗

Secondary school kids making their way up the road in fours or more, most unmasked.

232391 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Ozzie, 1, #1081 of 2257 🔗

The kiddies’ play area in my local park was being well used this afternoon. There was a notice on the gate about “Maximum 150 people”, but it would only get near that number on a busy summer’s day, so not much of a restriction. It’s possible that that notice is left over from the previous Tier 1 or 2 period, but I don’t think the council will try to close it this time.

232207 FrankiiB, replying to FrankiiB, 2, #1082 of 2257 🔗

Comparison with average annual flu/ respiratory deaths per month

Can anyone point me to a source (easy if possible) to see the numbers this year Sept Oct compared to average? Thank you – I’m sure that combining covid and flu this year this (october) is not much more than usual for flu?

232210 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 7, #1084 of 2257 🔗

ONS: Cases jumped from 1.04% of the population to 1.13% in a week. A rise of 0.09% in a week.

No wonder the Bald Twat and his mate with £600k of shares in Glaxo Smith Kline look worried.

Although does 0.09% mean it’s exponentially growing ? For f* sake!

232216 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Leemc23, 5, #1085 of 2257 🔗

New ‘infections’ (or percentage who would have tested positive) are actually falling according to the ONS survey. See my post below.

232713 ▶▶ DomW, replying to Leemc23, #1087 of 2257 🔗

Yes it’s exponential, doubling every 58 days. The horror!

232215 annie, replying to annie, 75, #1088 of 2257 🔗

Sorry for boring you, folks, I know you’ve heard it all before, but you’re helping with my catharsis.

Living the way I do, I seldom meet a zombie. Maybe this has lulled me into thinking that more people are sane than can possibly be the case. But I met one this morning all right. She was just coming out of the greengrocer’s, mean little eyes glaring over a gimp mask, asks me to move aside. I do, to what would normally be a polite distance. She signals to me to move further away. I won’t. She glares. My berserker blood boils and I say, ‘Oh, for heaven’s sake don’t be so pathetic.’ She accuses me of rudeness ‘in the middle of a pandemic’. I call after her retreating back that there were only 3 ‘cases’ in Pembrokeshire yesterday out of population of over 123,000, and four deaths in Wales out of 3 million, but I’m sure she didn’t hear and I’m sure she went home and told her husband about this horrible woman who breathed Covid all over her, and she hopes I get Covid and die. Greengrocer tells me not to upset his customers. Me being upset, at being treated like dirt, doesn’t matter, of course. There are fifty zombie customers to every one of me.
For my part, I don’t particularly want the zombie to die. She’s already undergoing a living death. Here she is, living in a small, breezy, seaside town in an area with one of the lowest ‘infection’ rates in the country and no with-Covvie-deaths for months. And ever since March, obviously, she’s treated every other human being like a death threat. I think that’s punishment enough, for an ex-human.
And there are plenty of other places where I can buy veg.
Rant over. Everybody else I encountered on my maskless sally into town was friendly and charming. Pity the zombie left such a bad taste in the mouth, but it’s yielding to chocolate.
Oh, and I tore down six Covvienotices and put up a lot of stickers. Yay.

232221 ▶▶ TJN, replying to annie, 10, #1089 of 2257 🔗

All in all, sounds like not a bad day to me.

232228 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to annie, 34, #1090 of 2257 🔗

My son had a similar (low key) experience the other day in his place of work.
He works in a well known high street store and it was his break time so he made his way to the staff room to find a stupid woman standing in front of the door; when my son went to go past her to access the door, this woman started to shout “6 foot, 6 foot” when it was she who was in the way.
Not only are they collaborators, they are “thick” as well.

232231 ▶▶ Paul, replying to annie, 26, #1091 of 2257 🔗

If that’s the greengrocer’s attitude I would tell him to stuff his produce where the sun doesn’t get very often.
When my wife gets any abuse or lunatic behaviour it always comes from fellow females.
She was in the checkout queue at Morrisons this week when a woman said to her ‘No it’s okay don’t wear a mask,I WANT to get covid’,my wife never responds and just ignores them,I would have took my exemption card out and shoved it down her throat,but that’s just the level of anger I have now reached !.

232233 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Paul, 12, #1092 of 2257 🔗

Ignore em, they are PATHETIC!!!!

232238 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Paul, 9, #1093 of 2257 🔗

Well done your wife for ignoring. I would have been tempted to say “OK” and winked. This is really highlighting the worst in people.

232251 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Paul, 12, #1094 of 2257 🔗

That boxer who said, why are they bothered if they’ve got a mask on, was right, do they think it only works one way. This virus along with all of the other things it recognises, height, distance, time, is truly amazing

232285 ▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Dan Clarke, 5, #1095 of 2257 🔗

that’s the genius of it all. Every rule has been made out to be a two way street. The ultimate way to seed division amongst the population.

At no point has the government highlighted the right of exemptions.

232429 ▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #1096 of 2257 🔗

Exactly right. If you are told that you’re selfish for not wearing one ( as I have been), just remind people that as there’s no evidence they work that you are equally at risk. (of the not so dangerous virus:-)
.

232362 ▶▶▶ Ellis Bell, replying to Paul, 6, #1097 of 2257 🔗

I tell my teenage daughter (who is exempt) to thank anyone pathetic enough to challenge her. They are, after all, wearing those things to protect others aren’t they?

232440 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Paul, 2, #1098 of 2257 🔗

“Oh, I’d love to help you with that. Would you like me to cough on you?”

232241 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to annie, 27, #1099 of 2257 🔗

Sorry to read this Annie. I get this at the shop. Especially when doing the credit card machine and people do an exaggerated move backwards. Had one guy, who I would have thought better of, donned a pair of gloves to do his pin number. The dregs of society are certainly crawling out from under their stones during this crapfest. Bastards.

232248 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to kh1485, 11, #1100 of 2257 🔗

Presumably he then disposed of the gloves in a safe and sterile way, without touching anything else, followed by thorough handwashing, as he had just touched the gloves to take them off? Very good of him.

232254 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sam Vimes, 18, #1101 of 2257 🔗

Of course he did(n’t)!

What I hate is their assumption – you: diseased scum, them: virtuous person not wanting to spread an evil virus, which makes them – in their own minds – superior to you.

232278 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to kh1485, 21, #1102 of 2257 🔗

They are going round shops, constantly fondling a sweaty snot rag strapped to their face, and then touching things that other folk have to buy. I’m not.
Who’s more dangerous?
Perhaps I’ll wander the aisles rubbing my hands down my undies before rummaging through some choice fruit and veg…

232291 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ rose, replying to Sam Vimes, 7, #1103 of 2257 🔗

Please can you warn us before you do that!!

232383 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to rose, 3, #1104 of 2257 🔗

Yes, loudly!

232443 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to annie, 6, #1105 of 2257 🔗

Ok, so that’s loud fart, hands down undies, then fondle my vegetables. Will do!

232275 ▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to kh1485, 9, #1106 of 2257 🔗

What have the men of this country become?

My dad did his national service, too young for service in WW II, his father fought in WW I.

The nearest I got was thinking that The Falklands may have escalated and if that had happened I would have done my service.

What would happen today?

I cannot serve my country, I may get dirt under my nails and I do not like the uniform, too much khaki, my skins needs stronger colours.

Expletive removed

232280 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Dave #KBF, 1, #1107 of 2257 🔗

I know. That’s exactly what I thought.

232411 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Dave #KBF, 2, #1108 of 2257 🔗

It has been interesting to note that by far the majority of members of protest groups online appear to be femail. What has happened to the men indeed.

232446 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to leggy, 1, #1109 of 2257 🔗

Better things to do?
Sports bread and circuses?

232312 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to kh1485, 9, #1110 of 2257 🔗

The only 2 things that I thought were positive about this whole situation were hand washing and social distancing. I think we all tend to be far too invasive of each other’s space when not necessary and I’ve often been shocked at the lack of personal cleanliness exhibited (e.g walking straight out of cubicle to door of public loos without so much as a look at the basins). However, the masked have now abandoned the only good measures.
I hate the one way arrows in shops but I follow them, the masked often don’t and I also think it’s only polite to hang back whilst someone else is making a selection from a shelf, but again often the masked don’t. They’ve got their mask on. It could be days old and filthy but it’s all they need

232381 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to kh1485, 9, #1111 of 2257 🔗

Too right. You are a heroine to face up to this crap every day.
And yet, strangely, although I’ve broken with many people and organisations that I used to believe in, I don’t feel bereft, I feel liberated. I was breathing tainted air without knowing it. Now I’m. breathing clean air, and there’s space all round me.

233057 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to kh1485, #1112 of 2257 🔗

The only good news here is that it will be the “dregs” who will be rolling up their sleeves first, for Uncle Bill’s depopulator shots.

232253 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to annie, 8, #1113 of 2257 🔗

Someone has to agree with Bojo’s Neofascist government, just to balance out the numbers if nothing else. Well, congratulations, you found one of them.

If you wish to employ the modern vernacular, the correct response to such a situation would be to simply repeat the following in answer to any statment or question by the aforementioned Neofascist fan club member:

“OK Karen”

You might also wan’t to make a soft ‘baaaa’ sound as you walk away.

If you are a grown up, unlike me, you might even want to consider that the easiest way to win a victory in such circumstances is to say and do absolutely nothing. Nothing at all. No reaction, no words, nothing. They really hate that.

Have fun 🙂

232345 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to G.Fawkes, 1, #1114 of 2257 🔗

Were you on here yesterday, or were you busy??? 🙂

232385 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to G.Fawkes, 2, #1115 of 2257 🔗

I always think of the appropriate action, or remark, a couple of hours too late!

232453 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to annie, #1116 of 2257 🔗

I call that delayed brain. I suffer from it often!

232260 ▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to annie, 11, #1117 of 2257 🔗

The people who go about “ in the middle of a pandemic’.” drive me nuts. If I’d a pound for each time I’d heard/read that, I’d be rich!

232271 ▶▶ RickH, replying to annie, 9, #1118 of 2257 🔗

You did right not to over-react. But it is irritating – but their problem in the end.

I guess one reality check might be ‘And how many corpses did you trip over on your way to the shop?’

232457 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to RickH, #1119 of 2257 🔗

There’s an obvious reply to that one though. Best not to go there.

232339 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to annie, 2, #1120 of 2257 🔗

Long live the revolution.

232344 ▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to annie, 2, #1121 of 2257 🔗

I’ve only encountered one sad sack, who to make it worse was a passive-aggressive jerk who couldn’t even have a go at us straight, so we gave him as good as we got.

232970 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to annie, 1, #1122 of 2257 🔗

I hate sanctimonious little nazis like her. Glad you did not move and screw that greengrocer….he must be Hodges out of Dads Army going home smelling of rotting cabbages. I destroyed quite a few notices on a footpath today too!

233031 ▶▶ Sodastream, replying to annie, #1123 of 2257 🔗

What stickers do you put up!? As I fee the strong need to do this but don’t know how to go about it. Thanks in advance

233040 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to annie, #1124 of 2257 🔗

Chocolate is very high in oxalates, go easy.

232222 NickR, replying to NickR, 9, #1125 of 2257 🔗

Just occasionally you realise that things are hidden in plain sight. This PHE report is gold dust. Just look at the attached comparing this year with last year & 2010/11.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/932943/Weekly_Flu_and_COVID-19_report_w45_FINAL.PDF

232234 ▶▶ Zak Thelotofem, replying to NickR, 3, #1126 of 2257 🔗
232243 ▶▶ nowhereman, replying to NickR, 3, #1127 of 2257 🔗

Detailed surveillance data from RCGP can be found here (data for up to 1st November):

https://www.rcgp.org.uk/-/media/Files/RSC/WeeklyReport_Winter_wk44_2020.ashx?la=en

232262 ▶▶ RickH, replying to NickR, 5, #1128 of 2257 🔗

Yes – it’s the stuff that creeps through at the margins that is often revealing – even the fairly obvious one that ‘all-cause’ mortality tends to be a give-away when the Chuckle Brothers are working their Scary Fairy act about those fictional ‘Covid deaths’.

232295 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to RickH, 4, #1129 of 2257 🔗

All-cause mortality is the only number that can’t be fudged. However, the interpretation can be — the evil doers will say is that it’s only because of their mitigation strategies that the numbers ultimately aren’t very different from other years. Heads they win, tails we lose. The rise in non-Covid deaths won’t happen all at once and I suspect the media won’t be interested in keeping on top of that story. Of course these measures will kill far more people than will be “saved” from Covid, but will that story ever get told?

232301 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 4, #1130 of 2257 🔗

That’s why they are so desperate to put in place mitigation strategies. As bit like the first major lockdown, the second major national lockdown started after “cases” levelled off/started to fall. Almost as if they were locking down to hide something.

232224 Elenesse, replying to Elenesse, 46, #1131 of 2257 🔗

I think what strikes me the most with the so called “experts” and the government is that they blatantly don’t want this pandemic to end. No positivity in their addresses to the nation, everything is doom and gloom. This if nothing else, indicates that it’s in their interests to keep it going as long as possible. They’re getting something out of all this. If they had our best interests at heart, they’d be celebrating the low death rates in hospitals.

232230 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Elenesse, 19, #1132 of 2257 🔗

Follow the money …. government is splashing it about to all sorts of suppliers – they all want the gravy train to continue.

232495 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Ozzie, #1133 of 2257 🔗

Xi and the CCP are paying these people a lot of good money to make this happen.

232264 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Elenesse, 4, #1134 of 2257 🔗

That’s right. There is never any good news reported. And the press are worse.

232267 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Elenesse, 3, #1135 of 2257 🔗

Why left the truth get in the way of a good story

232293 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Elenesse, 11, #1136 of 2257 🔗

Yes, there was a moment a few days ago when, under pressure, Johnson said something like “The lockdown will end on December 2nd” and “…there are better days ahead”. Despite my extreme cynicism at this point it boosted my mood, because it contrasted so strongly with the hitherto impenetrable wall of doom that the government puts up. But it was an aberration, of course. The government is in so deep that it can’t allow itself to make such positive noises without quickly rowing back.

I hate this government.

232331 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Barney McGrew, 4, #1137 of 2257 🔗

For what is worth I do believe the lockdown will end on on 2nd December for a number of reasons too long to list here. However my view is that everything should be lifted then. No point continuing the tiered system although it was better than this marginally.

232416 ▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Jo Dominich -, 9, #1138 of 2257 🔗

The lockdown may well stop for a Christmas break but how and when will we get rid of this insane masking?

If people continue wearing them, as I think they will, it will go on until the next wave or the next ‘crisis’ or even I fear just for ’precaution against Infection, risk, danger of talking to strangers etc ad infinitum.

Masks are a fundamental to the success of this whole charade. A sign of subservience, passivity and anonymity. Indirect social control at its most subtle everyday level.

232522 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Barney McGrew, #1139 of 2257 🔗

My suspicion is that the vaccination programme will be rolled out just before 2nd Dec..

232326 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Elenesse, #1140 of 2257 🔗

Spot on.

232338 ▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Elenesse, 1, #1141 of 2257 🔗

I’d always assumed that they wanted to play this so that they would be remembered as brave heroes who steered the country through until a miracle vaccine could liberate everyone, and bask in the adulation of the masses for years to come to the accompaniment of a sweeping orchestral soundtrack. But now not so sure of that.

232229 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 11, #1142 of 2257 🔗

https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/early/2020/11/03/2021133117.full.pdf To stop the next pandemic, we need to unravel the origins of COVID-19
Rather important article now in MSM and from David Relman ,inside the establishment and a famous Microbiologist. He is interested now in an investigation and not to disregard the possibility of a lab origin of Sars Cv-2.Parts of the article rather naively thinking of Chinese co-operation. But still important that a taboo has been broken in MSM

232255 ▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, 12, #1143 of 2257 🔗

It’s interesting that the article leaves open all possibilities … could this be an indicator of reasons for the background nervous flakiness of international responses? Could the initial hysteria have been based on strong possibilities that weren’t in the public domain?

However, I did flinch at this :

“one of the most catastrophic global health events of our lifetime” – because the catastrophe has been political, not microbiological.

232409 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to RickH, #1144 of 2257 🔗

Flinching entirely appropriate.

232870 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to RickH, 2, #1145 of 2257 🔗

I also had suspicion in the beginning that the overreaction to the virus could perhaps being caused by information not available to the public. US establishment had many connections with Wuhan lab and in fact Fauci himself used the lab for research of gain in function. In a way both US and China could be responsible for the mishap in the lab. Outsourcing dangerous lab work, which even had problems in the US, to China might not be a thing to highlight for Fauci and the medical establishment.The panic reaction and discarding of flu pandemic guidelines issued in 2019 is very strange. CIA probably knows more about this but revealing the whole truth is not possible as the US is heavily involved indirectly.

232258 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to swedenborg, 2, #1146 of 2257 🔗

PNAS is the Project for a New American Century. Very pro-war. It said that America needed a new “Pearl Harbor” a year before 9/11 truned the US towards adopting a very aggressive foreign policy posture.

232412 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Londo Mollari, #1147 of 2257 🔗

Exercise in stick poking then?

232821 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Londo Mollari, #1148 of 2257 🔗

The National Security Agency knew long before the first pearl harbour attack that it was going to happen. They had been de-cyphering the Japanese enigma code for a long time. They let it happen. Read The Puzzle Palace by J C Bamford.

232240 Sprinter, replying to Sprinter, #1149 of 2257 🔗

Anyone noticed that the CEBM website is down?

232247 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Sprinter, #1150 of 2257 🔗

It does happen occasionally. Give it a while.

232265 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Sprinter, 2, #1151 of 2257 🔗

It will be back – it is part of the University of Oxford

232252 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 34, #1152 of 2257 🔗

So as it’s Friday. We need some bad news for the weekend. So thanks to sage….

SAGE said that it is confident that the epidemic has continued to grow in England over recent weeks, adding: “Although there is some evidence that the rate of growth in some parts of the country may be slowing ( some evidence of a maybe ? ) , levels of disease are very high (very high ?) in these areas (which areas ?) and significant levels of healthcare demand and mortality will persist until R is reduced to and remains well below 1 for an extended period of time (an extended period of time……which is how long ? ). “

If I presented such vague pap at work I am pretty sure I would be on a performance improvement before too long. When your dealing with 10’s of millions “Maybe” does not cut it.

232266 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Leemc23, 6, #1153 of 2257 🔗

An extravaganza of weasel words and phrases.

232268 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Leemc23, 10, #1154 of 2257 🔗

One of the things that has amazed me is how little SAGE seem to know or understand or have learned in almost a year – they never say anything remotely interesting or decisive, just platitudes. To quote Yosser Hughes “I could do that”. And even odder is that journalists don’t seem to have noticed this.

232282 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 3, #1155 of 2257 🔗

… and in fact many of us do “do that”. Not with models based on opaque computer programs with a multitude of crap self-reinforcing variables, but with simple tools of graphs, historical data, eyesight and rough and ready regressions – because we know the basic fact that in areas such as this, the error boundaries diverge so quickly that it’s only the human brain that can do intelligent enough guess-work to make a future estimate that makes sense.

If in doubt – look at the plainly stupid outcomes of computer-based models presented by the Chuckle Brothers. Any functioningbrain would look at the majority and come up with an ‘Error’ message.

232320 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Leemc23, 2, #1156 of 2257 🔗

They’ve lost the plot. Trying to hang on to their power and reputation. What a bunch of crooks.

232343 ▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to Leemc23, 2, #1157 of 2257 🔗

It really is pathetic. These are supposedly our most qualified inviduals in their fields.

232813 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Leemc23, #1158 of 2257 🔗

SAGE are committing FRAUD on a massive scale with their bullshit. They are all there to get us all vaccinated and make buckets of cash for UKPLC and Gates. This is their despicable position and they are sticking to it grimly in face of a hurricane. The arrogant bastards.

232256 jhfreedom, 6, #1159 of 2257 🔗

What the police can and can’t do during lockdown, in full detail:

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9024/

Key paragraph:

“3.4 Entry Police officers have powers to enter private property in limited circumstances, but they cannot use them to enter private property without consent to enforce the coronavirus restrictions regulations. Without a relevant power of entry, the ability of the police to enforce some of the English regulations is limited. The police would require the consent of those they suspect are breaching coronavirus regulations in their homes to enter the property. If the police cannot enter a property legally, it is unlikely they would be able to establish if a rule is being broken and enforce it if it has.

Welsh officers have a new power of entry they can use to enforce lockdown restrictions. Welsh officers can enter someone’s home without permission when they have “reasonable grounds” to suspect someone is breaking a lockdown law and consider it necessary. Officers can use reasonable force to enter property in these circumstances.”

Tough on Welsh sceptics, argh.

232263 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 27, #1160 of 2257 🔗

Mass testing in Liverpool – what could possibly go wrong?

The Telegraph live feed:

Liverpool coronavirus screening plans ‘not fit for purpose’

Health experts said plans to screen the population of Liverpool for coronavirus were not fit for purpose.

A group of academics, including Allyson Pollock, Professor of Public Health at Newcastle University, said plans to test asymptomatic people in Liverpool went against SAGE advice to prioritise testing for those who were displaying symptoms.

In a letter sent to the city’s MPs on Thursday evening, they said “Searching for symptomless yet infectious people is like searching for needles that appear transiently in haystacks.

“The potential for harmful diversion of resources and public money is vast. Also of concern are the potential vested interests of commercial companies supplying new and as yet inadequately evaluated tests.”

And Angela Raffle, a consultant in Public Health based in Bristol, warned the half a billion pound project could be a costly failure.

She said: “Experience with screening tells us that if you embark on a screening programme without having carefully evaluated it first, without a proper quality assured pathway, without certainty of test performance in field settings, without full information for participants, and without the means to ensure that the intervention needed for those with positive results does indeed take place, the result is an expensive mess that does more harm than good.”

232272 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Tenchy, 19, #1161 of 2257 🔗

A hugely expensive and poorly thought out government initiative might very well be an unmitigated clusterfuck after all?

Gosh, I’m glad I was sitting down when I read that.

232327 ▶▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to G.Fawkes, 3, #1162 of 2257 🔗

There isn’t enough sarcasm in the world for that revelation.

232276 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Tenchy, 13, #1163 of 2257 🔗

“Searching for symptomless yet infectious people is like searching for needles that appear transiently in haystacks.”

That’s a really good way of putting it.

232300 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 4, #1164 of 2257 🔗

That was my favourite line – did make me chuckle!

232329 ▶▶▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to CGL, 2, #1165 of 2257 🔗

Yes, mine also. I did wonder if it was a flag of some scepticism.

232447 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Tenchy, #1166 of 2257 🔗

Good for her. she is quite right, of course.

232269 Eddy, replying to Eddy, 2, #1167 of 2257 🔗

Friday afternoon fun.

Masked profile pictures – Thoughts?

232292 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Eddy, 8, #1168 of 2257 🔗

Virtue signalling cr*p!

232389 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Eddy, 5, #1169 of 2257 🔗

Wankers

232421 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to Eddy, 2, #1170 of 2257 🔗

You should see all the proud female maskers in dating app profiles these days…ghastly!!

232439 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Eddy, 1, #1171 of 2257 🔗

Showing themselves up for the utter fucktards that they are.

232532 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Eddy, 1, #1172 of 2257 🔗

Zealots, collaborators or fools.

232270 kenadams, replying to kenadams, 23, #1173 of 2257 🔗

Reasons to be cheerful – the DM has an article today on a few businesses that are staying open in defiance of the lockdown. Even though DM comments have been generally sceptic for a while now, up until a couple of weeks ago comments under a specific article such as this would probably have followed the narrative. However, now even under these types of articles they are overwhelmingly negative. I really do think the tide is turning.

232284 ▶▶ EllGee, replying to kenadams, 19, #1174 of 2257 🔗

According to the offspring in Manchester some pubs have gone into a Limited Company arrangement with street food sellers. Doesn’t cost a lot but means the street food is sold in the car park and the pub is open as all part of the same company

232273 Mibi, 22, #1175 of 2257 🔗

Well done to the students in Manchester and to Shelly Tasker!!

232279 South West Skeptic, replying to South West Skeptic, 30, #1176 of 2257 🔗

I got told something last night that (to me) just sums everything we’ve got wrong with Covid in this country

My friends Mum (my friend is quite senior in the South West NHS) has a lot of underlying health conditions, diabetic, overweight, problems with her legs etc and she’s been deteriorating so she’s been in hospital for 2.5 weeks. Last night they were told that she’s caught something whilst she was in there and they’re not sure if she’s going to pull through. The consultant said it’s either pneumonia or Covid. His actual words were, “even if the test comes back negative, it’s pretty likely it’s Covid”

Beggars belief

232361 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to South West Skeptic, 3, #1177 of 2257 🔗

“even if the test comes back negative, it’s pretty likely it’s Covid”

More proof that the PCR test is useless?

232366 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Victoria, 2, #1178 of 2257 🔗

More proof that the consultants are.

232755 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Victoria, #1179 of 2257 🔗

Negative after 45 cycles? Unlikely

232486 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to South West Skeptic, #1180 of 2257 🔗

So it’s just the flu, then.

232281 Eddy, replying to Eddy, 22, #1181 of 2257 🔗

How scary is it that the tech giants have almost 100% censored one side in the U.S. election?

How long before they are able to decide if an election should actually go ahead?

232294 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Eddy, 14, #1182 of 2257 🔗

Interestingly just listened to UK Column where they said that Boris and lots of other world leaders and organisations including the Biden campaign are using the Build Back Better logo but Trump doesn’t. Trump is standing in the way of this world take over where everything will be consolidated

232309 ▶▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to Victoria, 1, #1183 of 2257 🔗

Not for much longer – “Evil Laugh”

232395 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Victoria, #1185 of 2257 🔗

Essential viewing!

232697 ▶▶▶▶ Shep, replying to Victoria, #1186 of 2257 🔗

Thanks for the link

232516 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Victoria, #1187 of 2257 🔗

Which is why they want Trump out..

232515 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Eddy, #1188 of 2257 🔗

They also think it is the media’s job to announce the winner of the election – they tweeted so (but then deleted it)

232288 DocRC, replying to DocRC, 1, #1189 of 2257 🔗

Waitrose free over £40!

232318 ▶▶ CGL, replying to DocRC, 2, #1190 of 2257 🔗

So just a couple of loaves and a chicken then.

232324 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to CGL, 1, #1191 of 2257 🔗

Great minds!

232322 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to DocRC, 1, #1192 of 2257 🔗

Not difficult to achieve at Waitrose.

232328 ▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to DocRC, 1, #1193 of 2257 🔗

At least they’ve always branded goats’ cheese and organic chard as ‘Essentials’ which was unwittingly a huge piece of foresight. Me, I’ll keep going to the nice family-run grocers over the road where the madness has barely registered.

232330 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Lyra Silvertongue, #1194 of 2257 🔗

the goats cheese would test positive, so won’t be buying that!

232363 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Lyra Silvertongue, #1195 of 2257 🔗

Oooooooh woe is me woe is me, Duuuuuuuuungford doesn’t think oooooorganic chaaaaard is essential, what shall I doooooo?

232392 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to annie, #1196 of 2257 🔗

Avoid it. It’s full of oxalates.

232414 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Lyra Silvertongue, #1197 of 2257 🔗

Never heard of chard, except for Chard in Somerset.

232296 Julian, replying to Julian, 5, #1198 of 2257 🔗

I think it is hard to be too harsh

232310 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Julian, #1199 of 2257 🔗

I think it expresses the anger very well. Sometimes both barrels are necessary.

232298 CGL, replying to CGL, 8, #1200 of 2257 🔗

Just introduced a friend to Ivor Cummins – I do hope they get on.

232425 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to CGL, 2, #1201 of 2257 🔗

I’m happily married but I do love that man!

233041 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, #1202 of 2257 🔗

It’s the accent isn’t it

232303 Steve Martindale, 35, #1204 of 2257 🔗

Just looked at Matt Hancocks twitter feed; he has pinned a tweet about the mass testing in Liverpool, the comments from some of those on Merseyside are quite vitriolic, if they are at all representative of the feeling across Liverpool this mass testing scheme may prove an uphill struggle.

https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f6a8.svg PEOPLE OF LIVERPOOL https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f6a8.svg

YOU DONT HAVE TO GET TESTED

IF YOU GET TESTED YOU HELPING THEM CREATE A SOCIETY WHERE THE GOVERNMENT REFUSE YOU LIBERTY BASED ON MEDICAL HISTORY

RESIST THE TYRANNY

DO NOT GET TESTED

232304 Alan P, 6, #1205 of 2257 🔗

To be honest, it’s not just him is it? Hancock, Gove, SAGE, et al. are all implicated big time!
I know he’s where the buck stops, but I think your ire should include others than just to just one pathetic excuse for a human failure. Send the email/letter to the other’s as well.

232305 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 10, #1206 of 2257 🔗

Picture a small town in South Shropshire where normally you might see 1 community copper perhaps twice a year.
Just gone to post a letter and noticed 2 squad cars and a van parked in high street.
Are they expecting a riot?

232325 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #1207 of 2257 🔗

No, they have nothing left to do as Covid only reigns.

232355 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Fingerache Philip., 5, #1208 of 2257 🔗

I sadly think we have to get used to seeing more police on the streets hassling, intimidating and arresting people for acting normally.

Can see them really dragging out this Covid police state stuff and now we have the conveniently timed return of terrorism to keep everyone on edge.

232367 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #1209 of 2257 🔗

Shropshire Blue?

232382 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1210 of 2257 🔗

They smell worse

232862 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to PoshPanic, #1211 of 2257 🔗

Stinking Bishop?
Excellent name for the product

232377 ▶▶ DocRC, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #1212 of 2257 🔗

Amazing really. Imagine if you’d been burgled; the best you could expect would be a crime number but now they have the manpower to bother people in the streets!

233008 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Fingerache Philip., #1213 of 2257 🔗

Funny how ‘lack of resources’ no longer applies.

232306 Bumble, replying to Bumble, 14, #1214 of 2257 🔗

Anecdotal only (but probably more accurate than government data), I went shopping early this morning. Last lockdown, the roads were absolutely deserted. This morning, the usual jam at the A31/A338 junction. Main road through the village is its usually busy self. Seems to me like people are getting on with it. Even my paranoid neighbours have come out from behind the sofa and are going outside for a walk.

232372 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bumble, 9, #1215 of 2257 🔗

Yes. In the park I overheard a conversation, the gist of which was:
Q: Are you fed up with it all yet?
A: Oh I’ve never locked down anyway.

232307 chaos, replying to chaos, 11, #1216 of 2257 🔗

It has occured to me that the damn might break rather fast.. people cottoning on to this new normal not being right.. us lot, some of us sussed it out immediately.. some of us were aware of The Great Reset right from the start.. some came simply because the numbers never looked right.. more joined.. my elderly mum and a couple of others I know now more than entertain the idea of the great reset and have even read those sites.. as you all should…

But I sense the damn will break open more quickly now.. more are going to join us, the army of sceptics is about to grow exponentially. And what will the the lunatic front bench do then?

232316 ▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to chaos, 3, #1217 of 2257 🔗

Unfortunately if Biden gets away with stealing the US election (and I think he will) then things will get much worse very quickly in the new year

232319 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to 6097 Smith W, -1, #1218 of 2257 🔗

Yes.. but the blinkers will fall from more peoples eyes more quickly..

232332 ▶▶▶ Eddy, replying to 6097 Smith W, 1, #1219 of 2257 🔗

We will be waiting. They will invade Russia first.

232353 ▶▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Eddy, -3, #1220 of 2257 🔗

There’s rumours Putin is stepping down due to Parkinsons..

232380 ▶▶▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to chaos, -4, #1221 of 2257 🔗

No doubt from the same people who say Biden is the winner.

232479 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to 6097 Smith W, #1222 of 2257 🔗

I believe Trump will fight.

I believe he will win or die trying.

232535 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to awildgoose, 2, #1223 of 2257 🔗

That last option has cheered me up.

… not that I wish any real harm to the semi-literate satsuma who made his money out of fiddling people out of their assets with the bankruptcy procedures when not fiddling in other ways. 🙂

More seriously, stay away from divisive irrelevancies like The Big Ole Fart- it’s not a good look for recommending sanity re. Covid.

232378 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to chaos, 6, #1224 of 2257 🔗

The great reset, build back better all happening in plain sight.

Trump is the only person not saying it.

People need to wake up sharpish.

Biden is their puppet.

Covid is 1 massive fart to hide all the other shit.

232384 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to stefarm, 8, #1225 of 2257 🔗

Didn’t Trump say something along the lines of “It’s not me they hate, it’s you, It’s just that I’m in the way”

232422 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to kh1485, 1, #1226 of 2257 🔗

That’s actually quite good for him – maybe because he didn’t have to stray from his monosyllabic vocabulary. I don’t like either of them, but he is the lesser of the 2 weavels I think.

232506 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to kh1485, 1, #1227 of 2257 🔗

Yes, he did say that!

232619 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to chaos, #1228 of 2257 🔗

Better to read the book.

232684 ▶▶ Shep, replying to chaos, #1229 of 2257 🔗

The great reset includes all the political proponents of lockdown. They will have to be reset too 😭 👍 😁

232308 DocRC, 7, #1230 of 2257 🔗

Brilliant summary! I too confess I had high hopes for Johnson but he has shown himself to be a complete waste of space.

232311 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 6, #1231 of 2257 🔗

“malevolence”

Yes, that is the quality I associate with Johnson and his government, these days. I see nothing positive in them at all. When they appear on the TV I become enraged. Johnson is lying through his teeth all the time .

232386 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Barney McGrew, 2, #1232 of 2257 🔗

Nothing new there!

232314 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1233 of 2257 🔗

Sorry if posted already; just started reading today’s posts. 😉

Should be interesting; Harding is up in front of the Health and Social Care Committee and Science and Technology Committee next week.

Last time Harding blamed SAGE for her mess.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/09/17/nobody-expected-surge-coronavirus-testing-demand-test-trace/

She suggested Sage was to blame for the predicament facing Test and Trace, saying: “I don’t think anybody was expecting to see the really sizeable increase in demand that we have seen over the course of the last few weeks.

“We built our testing capacity plans based on Sage modelling. In none of the modelling was that expected, and that is why I said I think we all have to think really hard about how we prioritise the use of these tests, that we are clear you should only get tested if you have the coronavirus symptoms.”

I wonder if anyone will ask her about all the videos showing empty test centres.

232360 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1234 of 2257 🔗

A half wit being question by people with the intellectual abilities of a six year old

Doubt if it will yield much

232396 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Ceriain, #1235 of 2257 🔗

So she’s saying they predicted a scary amount and we only had a trickle, but we still managed to fuck that up.

232526 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #1236 of 2257 🔗

… which was inevitable. That’s why widespread T&T was never recommended in sane strategy documents.

232336 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 7, #1237 of 2257 🔗

Now this IS interesting. Reports from some of the areas with heavy post votes in Dem areas saying that turnout – including postal is up at 85-90% – in areas that normally struggle to turn out 40-50% MAX! Sniff … sniff …

232342 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to James Leary #KBF, 4, #1238 of 2257 🔗

Funny how we have been prepared for this outcome by the media for months.

Election Chaos Proceeds as Planned https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1pG176rZeU

232503 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to James Leary #KBF, 2, #1239 of 2257 🔗

I recommend peoples_pundit on Twitter – you can listen to videos there, eg. https://twitter.com/Peoples_Pundit/status/1324728736193908737

232512 ▶▶ RickH, replying to James Leary #KBF, #1240 of 2257 🔗

Sauce for goose and gander. I remember Bush fiddling the Florida vote, the deregistration of blacks and hanging chads. That’s the name of the game. Crocodile tears if you lose – and Trump is still an arse, whatever, even if Biden is the other cheek.

232340 Eddy, replying to Eddy, 23, #1241 of 2257 🔗

Letter to my MP
Harsh?

Dear servant,

Guillotine or Rope? I await your response.

Regards

Mr Andrew

232347 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Eddy, 6, #1242 of 2257 🔗

No, not harsh

232348 ▶▶ smileymiley, replying to Eddy, 3, #1243 of 2257 🔗

Excellent!

232351 ▶▶ annie, replying to Eddy, 6, #1244 of 2257 🔗

Mild, considering the usual penalty for high treason.

232403 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to annie, #1245 of 2257 🔗

I think that particularly messy punishment was removed from the statute book. Just hanging now. It is kinder and puts them out of our misery quicker.

232592 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Basileus, #1246 of 2257 🔗

We’ve never used the guillotine in this country. The nearest to it was a very early version, called the Halifax Gibbet:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halifax_Gibbet

232694 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Nick Rose, #1247 of 2257 🔗

The Scots had the Maiden.
I believe there are one or two in museums, could be refurbished?

232691 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Basileus, #1248 of 2257 🔗

If that’s what you want.

232352 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Eddy, 10, #1249 of 2257 🔗

Careful folks, don’t want to see anyone get into trouble

Don’t give them a chance to lock you up

We need you for later

232428 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Eddy, 3, #1250 of 2257 🔗

Is he a servant??? Seems to me they are doing fuck all?

232597 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to stefarm, 1, #1251 of 2257 🔗

He never claimed to be a good or even a useful servant.

232537 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Eddy, 2, #1252 of 2257 🔗

That’s going to Lee Anderson my self promoting hand rubbing traitor MP who has voted every time for lockdown covid shit despite his weasel words about not being in favour of lockdowns.

232635 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Eddy, 3, #1253 of 2257 🔗

I wouldn’t if I were you. That sort of thing can get you arrested. Threats to kill make MP’s shit themselves.

232346 chaos, replying to chaos, 14, #1254 of 2257 🔗

I wonder who in the UK mainstream media will first break ranks and say.. holy fook.. the green new deal lunatics and big pharma and accociated greedy bastards and banks have mounted a coup d’etat on most of the western world?! Or.. how long can the talking head plops pretend that isn’t happening? How long can opinion writers keep parroting the ‘it’s all a series of mistakes’ and ‘boys on a choo choo train pulling levers’ line? One month? Two? Three?

232379 ▶▶ Julian, replying to chaos, 9, #1255 of 2257 🔗

For now I would be happy if majority public opinion was that the lockdowns have been a mistake and were not needed, and that next time it won’t be easy to sell them this kind of crap using fear. It’s the fear that has enabled this, whatever “this” is motivated by.

232390 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Julian, 4, #1256 of 2257 🔗

No, we’ve just not perfected the art of the lockdown yet. Still lots to learn about lockdownism.

232574 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to chaos, 2, #1257 of 2257 🔗

If such was even remotely true, Western Europe has enough munitions to sort the problem out. If this is a coup d’etat, it’s the most shambolic I’ve ever heard of. Just face it, most politicians in Western Europe are clueless, devoid of ideas, applied intelligence, philosophy, or even a coherent ideology. As that still hasn’t changed, then the coup d’etat, if indeed it is one at all, has failed.

Oh, and a PS: It is not in the interest of “greedy bastards” to trash national economies. It all has to be paid for, dents profits, and could put said “greedy bastards” out of business too. Economic stupidities have financial consequences. Nobody can change reality.

232787 ▶▶▶ Alexei, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #1258 of 2257 🔗

“Greedy bastards” have been made whole and seen their asset prices rise, due to trillions of dollars of central bank liquidity injections, predicated on the coronapanic. Indeed, this really started in September 2019, with the Repo Crisis. The Greedy Bastards have no concern with the productive, value-creating private sector.

And as for shambolic? They have been stunningly efficient. Beyond even their wildest imagination, I expect.

233065 ▶▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Alexei, 2, #1259 of 2257 🔗

Bang on. I am always wary of people who argue out of incredulity.

The can’t or won’t accept whats going on so they don’t want others to see or believe it either.

This has the made the ‘greedy bastards’ very rich and for every unpaid debt or defaulted mortgage the assets and all go to the bank and bankers who are benefiting the most via all this extra liquidity.

233183 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #1260 of 2257 🔗

Shambolic? This is the most successful coup in history.Think what you could do 8 months ago and what is permitted now.The destruction of the economy is planned and the hush/furlough money will go on until it’s completed.
If you are paying attention a lot of people are making a lot of money while the masses are impoverished and made dependent on the state.Make that money dependent on obedience to state diktats and the coup is complete.

232354 annie, 2, #1261 of 2257 🔗

Hail, oh eloquent one!

232357 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 6, #1262 of 2257 🔗

Avoided the Snot Patrol for another day. Saw maskless Uniformed Lockdown Enforcement (aka the Constabulary) cruising about aimlessly in their patrol car. Observed many dirty facecloths.

What will tomorrow bring?

232404 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Stuart, 2, #1263 of 2257 🔗

Uninformed Lockdown Enforcement more like

232364 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 43, #1264 of 2257 🔗

Not rocket science but definitely magic:

I went to the park today. On the way, I passed an oldish woman who held her scarf firmly to her face as I passed. I said hello anyway and she did mumble back without leaping into the road.

The park was busy. I saw one face nappy worn as a chin strap by a young Chinese guy, though his female companion was barefaced. One old woman with scarf firmly tied across her face, accompanied by a muzzle-free old man. Everyone else was completely barefaced.

There was a man with a 2 year-old playing in the leaves. I passed a comment and we had a quick exchange about the joys of kicking autumn leaves about.

I turned from them with a huge joyful grin on my face and the response from everyone walking towards me was magical. Everyone’s face lit up and their hellos were enthusiastic rather than merely polite.

So, though times are clearly dangerous, with something very sinister being carried out, I can recommend going out and beaming barefaced joy at people. Wink at the kids, enjoy the dogs. It will bring a genuine smile to your face and that’s what people need to see right now. They need to be reminded of their essential humanity.

What you focus on grows, so don’t get hung up on what you can’t change, do whatever you actually can, no matter how small that might seem.

Remember there are a lot more of us and the scepticism is growing exponentially. Onwards and upwards my good friends.

232373 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #1265 of 2257 🔗

That’s the spirit. Onward

232399 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1266 of 2257 🔗

Very well expressed Cheezilla. I will do the same over the weekend here in my neck of the woods

232417 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1267 of 2257 🔗

I wonder if Fergie’s model included some sort of S rate?

232418 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #1268 of 2257 🔗

Yes indeed! I’ve just been to our village shop. I don’t wear a muzzle, but if I’m near an obviously terminally terrified being, then I lift my scarf to my mouth. (Obviously makes no difference.) But out walking it was a joy to see that no-one we met was muzzled out in the good fresh autumn air! We all smiled and passed a few friendly words (strangers, I hasten to add).
Yes – let’s hope there are many more of us than we at first realised……

232498 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1269 of 2257 🔗

Yes -perhaps a good object lesson – accentuate the positive.

232374 Cecil B, 16, #1270 of 2257 🔗

‘Did you hear the one about the Scouser who went to get tested in order to get his family locked up’?

‘No neither did I’

232387 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 6, #1271 of 2257 🔗

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries deaths and cases/infections down for second day in a row. Wow lockdown working already

232474 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to arfurmo, 7, #1272 of 2257 🔗

Surely they can’t get away with crediting lockdown this time, the numbers all started falling before it was even announced. Johnson must be kicking himself, if he’d just held on another week or so he could have taken all the credit for the local lockdowns and tiers working, and Starmer would have looked like a panicky nincompoop. Instead, he’s capitulated to Labour and pissed off half his own party for no reason whatsoever. Well done that man.

232493 ▶▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1273 of 2257 🔗

Wouldn’t put it past them, despite the ones figures saying the same thing..

233426 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to A. Contrarian, #1274 of 2257 🔗

Couldn’t happen to a nicer person!

232388 PompeyJunglist, replying to PompeyJunglist, 38, #1275 of 2257 🔗

WHY ARE WE WEARING MASKS? PART 3

Now let’s change tack and consider we’re a healthy person wearing a mask who encounters an infected person wearing a mask. Let’s imagine they cough or sneeze and their mask stops a droplet containing the virus. People don’t expel droplets without emitting aerosols and the sad fact is that in this scenario there will be a cloud of aerosols all around them that your mask can do nothing to stop. Your best defence here is to have kept a good distance away from them.

Let’s imagine your mask has stopped the ingress of a virus laden droplet which escaped the infected person’s ill fitted mask. Well that means you’re almost certainly in a fog of aerosols. They travel faster and further than droplets because they are far smaller and lighter, not weighed down by moisture. You’ve also got a source of viral contamination on your face that you can touch and spread when you adjust or remove your mask. You’ve also got the prospect of that droplet evaporating and the virus going on its merry way again; perhaps down your throat, perhaps into the air outside perhaps into your car or home depending on where you take your mask next.

Now let’s consider some of the mask behaviours we’re witnessing right now. Let’s take the example of pubs and restaurants, where you have to wear your mask to move around within the building but may remove it when sat at your table. We know that most people will be reusing a mask they’ve worn in countless places after coming into contact with countless people. We know that the mask can sustain the virus for days and can be released at any time post droplet evaporation by something as simple as movement, breathing in or breathing out. And here we are, whipping them out of our pockets, putting them on and off again, potentially dislodging virus we caught in a droplet from the numerous locations we’ve worn this mask before.

How many people come back from the shops and hang their mask up with their car keys at home? Let’s imagine their mask has caught some virus in a droplet. The wearer has almost certainly been exposed to aerosols and now they have introduced a source of contamination to the home, both contact and airborne as the droplet evaporates. The idea of masks controlling viral transmission in real life is almost entirely illusionary.

It’s increasingly common to see people wandering around outside with masks on while not going anywhere near another human being. This is simply madness. They’re not going to protect anyone else, they’re not going to encounter droplets which when airborne evaporate in seconds. Their mask serves absolutely no purpose. It’s not unusual to see people alone in their own cars wearing masks either and I’m afraid this sort of lunacy is an inevitable by-product of a scientifically illiterate Government and Media terrorising our citizens.

There never has been any compelling scientific evidence that mask wearing in the community will slow viral transmission. Lab based evidence that a correctly fitted mask will briefly intercept some droplets is all that our current policies are based on. That evidence simply doesn’t translate into a beneficial policy for a human population. This is why the WHO have consistently stated that the evidence for mask wearing slowing viral transmission in the community is weak. If anything I think they’re probably overstating the case. The science hasn’t changed, nor is it likely to. Mandatory mask wearing came about due to political lobbying and is a political decision.

If you still believe mask wearing limits virus transmission then I simply urge you to look at case figures from countries around the World and find the point in time when masks were made mandatory. You will see no signal to suggest a positive impact anywhere. If our government was in any way serious about their efficacy they would at the very least be stressing the message of regular disposal, better still providing masks that can stop viruses. They’re not serious, they say you can just pull a scarf up over your face, they say nothing about regularly changing or washing them.

It’s worth bearing in mind that they have repeatedly refused to set out any goal or criteria for rescinding mandatory mask wearing. If you want to go back to a World where you don’t wear a mask it is you who has to make the change. Stop wearing one, say you’re exempt. Eventually a critical mass of people will do likewise and this desperate charade of control will end with literally no effect on transmission rates. It’s time to get some of your life back.

232419 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to PompeyJunglist, 5, #1276 of 2257 🔗

You’ve made a great case and you’re an excellent writer!

232664 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, #1277 of 2257 🔗

Yes indeed.I suppose you’ve sent a copy to your MP? (Yes, I know…)

232451 ▶▶ Melangell, replying to PompeyJunglist, 2, #1278 of 2257 🔗

This is brilliant – so lucid and straightforward – thank you so much! Will be using it for sure.

232471 ▶▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to Melangell, 3, #1279 of 2257 🔗

Thank you. I just did a double check and there are three parts and in the correct order, phew!

232481 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to PompeyJunglist, 4, #1280 of 2257 🔗

Well written piece – would be nice as a link in the sidebar. I too am amazed that people seem to stop thinking at the point where breath or droplet hits the mask – and bear in mind that the mask becomes a nice humid warm incubator for not just viruses but also bacteria and fungal spores.

And on this topic does anyone know what has happened to that Danish study?

232579 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Andy Riley, 1, #1281 of 2257 🔗

Until we have it on the sidebar, I’ve posted a copy on Panscepticon .

232588 ▶▶▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to Mabel Cow, #1282 of 2257 🔗

I’ve since added this additional paragraph to be bolted on to the end of Part One, it’s too late for me to edit my post here:

Some laboratory tests have also suggested the range of an aerosol blast may be slightly limited by using masks. But this is something of a red herring given the aerosols will continue to move and circulate once expelled from the body by an initial blast. The important thing to bear in mind is that masks do not stop aerosols. Social distancing is your best bet for marginally increasing your chance of avoiding the aerosols of an infected person.

If you can pop that into your Pansception post I’ll be very grateful!

232618 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to PompeyJunglist, 2, #1283 of 2257 🔗

Just been up onto a windw hillock today, two fuck-tards wearing face nappies, nobody else around for MILES. FFS
One of them was heavily pregnant….

233430 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Two-Six, #1284 of 2257 🔗

No hope at all for muppets like that sadly.

232629 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to PompeyJunglist, 1, #1285 of 2257 🔗

Updated . Please advise if I’ve inserted the section in the wrong place.

232639 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to Mabel Cow, #1286 of 2257 🔗

It’s correct. Thank you so much!

232483 ▶▶ RickH, replying to PompeyJunglist, 1, #1287 of 2257 🔗

Excellent.

Of course, the killer re. ‘following the science’ (aka ‘evidence’) is this one :

You will see no signal to suggest a positive impact anywhere”

Because we have actually had a real-life experiment all over Europe.

232484 ▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to PompeyJunglist, 1, #1288 of 2257 🔗

Brilliantly clear. Worth a permanent place on the sidebar imho

232501 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to PompeyJunglist, 1, #1289 of 2257 🔗

terrific writing: clear, calm, persuasive, detailed without being overwhelming

232539 ▶▶ LuluJo, replying to PompeyJunglist, 1, #1290 of 2257 🔗

This is fantastic. Thank you!

232573 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to PompeyJunglist, 1, #1291 of 2257 🔗

Last two paragraphs are very good. Well done!

232614 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to PompeyJunglist, 1, #1292 of 2257 🔗

It’s all a bit wordey, my eyes go all swimmy.

232690 ▶▶ ianric, replying to PompeyJunglist, 4, #1293 of 2257 🔗

This is a very good piece. There are numerous issues raised with masks. Where is the clear evidence masks work in protecting people? If masks are essential protection and not wearing one is a death wish, why have non mask wearers not been dropping like flies and mask wearers remain untouched? If there was clear evidence masks are a silver bullet which protects you from a deadly disease, why would governments need to make masks compulsory by law and threaten people with fines for not wearing them? As the UK governments were late in making masks compulsory, we had plenty of time to see what happened to mask wearers and non mask wearers.

If masks are so effective, why do we have draconian restrictions in place? Why can’t we live normally except for masks. What is the point of laws making masks compulsory if they don’t work? Imagine if the same logic was used in other situations. For instance, hotels must follow laws regarding fire regulations. The purpose of these laws is to prevent fires breaking out, contain their spread if fire break outs and enable to guests and staff to escape quickly. Imagine if the government made hotels illegal as fire risks were too great despite these laws. People would ask if fire laws are so effective why can’t hotels open and what would be the point of these laws if they are so ineffective hotels can’t open.

What is the point of wearing masks in establishments where customers are a long way from each other due there not being many people about and the establishment being so big people can easily stay a long distance from each other?

If people are breathing a deadly and dangerous virus into their masks, why are masks not treated as dangerous biohazards? Why are we not given instructions on what type of masks to use, to use them only once if disposable and to wash re-usable masks and why are there no special bins to dispose of masks? Why are masks not being tested to see if they have covid on them?

How can masks be justified if there is no scientific evidence to support wearing them? I sent a FOI request to NHS England regarding asymptomatic transmission which they couldn’t answer. Why should healthy asymptomatic people wear masks if there is no evidence of asymptomatic transmission?

A critical question is how covid is transmitted and do masks protect others. Is covid only spread through coughs and sneezes or does breathing or talking spread covid. If it is only spread through coughing and sneezing, what is the point of a mask when coughing into a handkerchief works better? If aerosols or droplets hit someone in the nose, mouth or eyes, do they automatically infect them.

I feel compulsory masks are psychological tool. There is no evidence of a pandemic around us. We don’t see bodies piling up in the street, people surviving but becoming very ill in large numbers or local medical services overwhelmed and if it wasn’t for media hysteria and lockdowns we wouldn’t notice we are in a pandemic. Compulsory masks and everyone wearing them makes it appear we are in a deadly pandemic when we are not.

233428 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to PompeyJunglist, #1294 of 2257 🔗

Get rid of masks and stop testing and its all over …..immediately. No one would even notice the virus after that hardly.

232393 PompeyJunglist, replying to PompeyJunglist, 22, #1295 of 2257 🔗

WHY ARE WE WEARING MASKS? PART 2

So even though we don’t really know how much virus infected people expel or at what stages of their infection, it surely follows that wearing something that can stop a proportion of virus particles getting out into the air is a good thing, right? That’s where most politicians and people seem to be. That’s the nature of the science behind claims that simple mask wearing by the public will help slow viral transmission.

At this point you might be wondering why the WHO and scientific bodies the World over described the evidence as weak, even when taking into account how human behaviour in the community differs from a regimented lab experiment. You might acknowledge for example that some people won’t wear masks correctly, winds and environments will effect things, but if they stop some of the virus getting into circulation then surely it’s a good thing?

Well the answer is probably not and to arrive at that conclusion you have to think about what happens to the virus once it’s expelled from the human body and how masks interact with it.

Before that, let’s start with what we know. Aerosols and droplets are expelled from our bodies into the air and may float around on currents or settle on a surface. Droplets vary in size tremendously and the larger ones will be heavier and likely to fall to the ground, but they won’t necessarily stay there for long. Evaporation of the droplet occurs, often in seconds and the liberated virus is then free to circulate. It will usually only survive a few hours before it’s destroyed by UV light or other environmental factors. Sometimes it will find a surface or environment that allows it to persist for longer and when on a surface it becomes a source of touch contamination. That’s why we’re all quite wisely continuing to wash our hands and the more cautious among us may still be washing groceries and so forth.

By now you’ll be familiar with the idea of “protecting others” by wearing a mask. So let’s consider what happens if you’re infected with Covid, emitting it via droplets and aerosols. The aerosols pass through your mask virtually unhindered, the droplets large enough to be filtered by your mask will stick to your mask and not enter the wider environment. At this point a surprising amount of people seem to stop thinking, as if that’s the end of it. But that droplet on your mask will evaporate too. Evaporation doesn’t magically remove the virus, nor does the mask somehow keep the virus trapped in place. After droplet evaporation the virus particle is free to leave your mask in either direction and will likely do so when you move, inhale or exhale. We’re back to wasps and chain link fences.

Wearing the mask hasn’t removed any virus from the environment. It has acted as a brief intermediary unless you are regularly changing and binning masks all day long. Even binning your mask only removes from circulation any virus still trapped by a droplet at that moment in time. But of course we know people aren’t regularly changing and binning their masks to even achieve that modest benefit. Rigid lab based procedures will never be replicated by a public going about their normal business. Worse still we now have two ways in which the virus can be spread, there’s the unavoidable airborne threat and the newly introduced touch contamination threat. When you adjust or take off that mask then touch other things before washing your hands properly, you are potentially spreading the virus to other surfaces where it may remain or circulate again.

Worse still is that masks provide a stable environment in which the virus can survive far longer on average than if it had simply been released into the air. This means that with widespread mask wearing and insufficient changing or disposing of them, we’re building up the amount of virus that’s around us. Virus that can leave your mask by touch or air once evaporation of the droplet has concluded.

232442 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to PompeyJunglist, 2, #1296 of 2257 🔗

This is amazing. Thanks

232465 ▶▶ c s, replying to PompeyJunglist, 3, #1297 of 2257 🔗

Great piece. Dont forget that the warm and moist environment is a prime breeding ground for bacteria which can then be inhaled and lead to its own health problems including bacterial pneumonia. Further, if you think of a mask as a sieve, when large droplets hit the mask they dont necessarily get stopped they just break up into smaller pieces (in the same way water running through a sieve will then spread out all over the place). These smaller particles can penetrate deeper into the lungs than large particles.

You should also take a look at: https://pdmj.org/Mask_Risks_Part2.pdf

232480 ▶▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to c s, 3, #1298 of 2257 🔗

Thank you. My piece is by no means exhaustive and was written for my extended family at first. I wanted to keep it fairly simple and easy to digest, so chose not to go into quite that level of depth.

Certainly for a bigger piece I would include such information and I might write such a version down the line.

What I’ve found though is that this level of info is about right for a mildly curious and disgruntled conformer. Thereafter they tend to visit sites like this and blossom themselves.

232601 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to PompeyJunglist, 1, #1299 of 2257 🔗

good one

232394 PompeyJunglist, replying to PompeyJunglist, 13, #1300 of 2257 🔗

I’ve had some success making people ditch the mask with this piece I’ve written. It deliberately avoids going into possible side effects and why governments have really mandated them, instead focusing on the science and how mask mandates are purely a political decision. Please feel free to use, edit or share if you wish to:

WHY ARE WE WEARING MASKS? PART 1

Like so much of what’s happened this year it’s easy to forget how masks became orthodoxy and proliferated across the land.

You may recall that they weren’t mandated at all in Spring when Covid did its worst. That was because evidence of their effectiveness for reducing viral transmission in the community was described by the WHO as weak and therefore they did not recommend such a policy. The evidence available comes from lab based tests rather than any sort of practical test on a population going about their lives.

So what changed? You could be forgiven for thinking the science did, given the readiness with which Governments like our own made masks mandatory once the Spring wave had all but finished. In fact the science hasn’t changed. What changed was the WHO guidance on masks and by their own admission this guidance only changed because of political lobbying.

In other words Governments urged the WHO to support mask wearing in the community to lend credence to their desire for issuing mask wearing mandates. The WHO did so and Governments like our own introduced mandatory mask wearing rules.

I don’t wish to get into the motivations of governments for doing so. I can’t evidence my suspicions or pretend every government shares the same reasoning, so the exercise would be futile. Let us instead consider the evidence surrounding masks and their role in reducing viral transmission.

A good starting point is to consider what a mask is and what it isn’t. A mask isn’t a barrier but it is a filter. It will stop the ingress and egress of particles bigger than the gaps they contain. Viruses like Coronavirus are so small that only certain surgical masks such as the N95 used in hospitals are effective at preventing their movement across a filter. Even then their effectiveness can only be demonstrated in lab conditions with strict guidance on their application, use, removal and disposal.

You may recall that when mandatory mask wearing was introduced in the UK no guidance was given to us regarding what sort of mask or filter might be appropriate. In fact the government told us pretty much anything would do; you could pull a scarf up over your face, whatever.

The flimsy nature of this guidance actually relates to the limited, lab based evidence there’s always been for non-medical masks stopping virus transmission in the community. The evidence that’s so weak the WHO didn’t recommend mask wearing until leaned on by political lobbying.

It’s important to understand what this evidence is and to do so we need to introduce the concept of aerosols and droplets. If we assume someone with Covid is expelling infectious virus from their nose and mouth, they will be doing so via aerosols and droplets. Aerosols are particles so small that your mask is no more likely to stop them getting through than a chain link fence is likely to keep wasps out your garden. Droplets are just that; larger moisture laden particles you expel in your breath, sneezes and cough. If you have Covid then some of the virus you’re expelling will be contained in these droplets and lab tests show that many face coverings will be able to stop larger droplets before they enter the air and potentially another person’s mouth or nose.

232547 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to PompeyJunglist, #1301 of 2257 🔗

This is very well written, very balanced, very rational.

I move on to PART 2 with interest!!>>>>>

232608 ▶▶ leggy, replying to PompeyJunglist, 1, #1302 of 2257 🔗

Nice. Definitely more Kenny Ken than DJ Guv 😉

232397 Seansaighdeoir, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 29, #1303 of 2257 🔗

Just driven home from work and popped into Tesco. I was sure I must have had a sign round my neck that said ‘rapist’ for the looks I got and the double takes I got. It was never this bad.

I can honestly say that I could imagine what it must have been like to walk around the ghetto with a yellow star. I was part of world I didn’t belong and wasn’t welcome. This is beginning to take on a very sinister form.

For all those who keep piping up ‘its over’ etc. what evidence beyond wishing thinking do you have when you can experience this during what should be a normal event.

Next week masks become mandatory at work. Its getting to the point where I will almost be looking forward to being shipped off to the camps. At least I will be with like minded people.

232406 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 5, #1304 of 2257 🔗

Were they envious looks, ie if only they had the courage….

232435 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 8, #1305 of 2257 🔗

Having been through lockdown two, I can tell you it lasts about a week

After a week it dawns on the spanners that they have been conned again

232452 ▶▶ c s, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 10, #1306 of 2257 🔗

I have turned my mindset around completely and now enjoy going to the shops without a mask. I feel sorry for the people who still believe and still follow the rules. Sure, there will be some snarky comments whispered but honestly I cannot understand a word they are saying behind the impenetrable and totally virus proof fabric. I just assume they msut be wishing me a good day 🙂

Dont assume that all of the looks are based on negative views…many are probably jealous that you are actually having the guts to stand up to this nonsense while others will be wondering how they can get hold of these magical “exemptions”. Little to they know just how easy it is.

232464 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to c s, 9, #1307 of 2257 🔗

I have been surprised at the number of small shops I’ve been into, where I’ve flashed my ”exemption” (for their comfort, not mine) and received a ”Oh, we don’t care about THAT!” So of course, from now on I shall be a loyal customer.

232485 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to c s, 7, #1308 of 2257 🔗

On good days, I’m positively exhilarated as I sashay along the aisles of Waitrose unencumbered by one of those abject gags. I want to say to everyone, Look, I am free! You can be too! Just TAKE IT OFF!

232737 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Seansaighdeoir, -1, #1309 of 2257 🔗

Therapist surely?

232398 Edward, 1, #1310 of 2257 🔗

Great to see.

232400 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 17, #1311 of 2257 🔗

The majority now know its all a hoax, a massive fraud, now we have to figure out how to stop it.

232413 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Dan Clarke, 19, #1312 of 2257 🔗

Funny I was just chatting to someone who knows it is all nonsense but is keeping his head down and hoping it will go away, because if he thinks about it, it makes him angry.

We need to find a way to involve people like him.

I still think that there needs to be a high profile publicity campaign across multiple media to push for the end of lockdowns, funded by various rich sceptics and by crowdfunding. It needs to have its profile raised to the level of Vote Leave so it cannot be ignored, and that will bring the apathetic out of their slumbers.

232430 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Julian, 16, #1313 of 2257 🔗

I think it needs just one of those noes from Wednesday to join one protest. And it’s on. One political representative who has seen what lies ahead to join the people.

Isn’t that what they have always believed they had got into politics for? If they trust their own convictions then its the next logical step. In the eyes of people like your friend, that’s what they are missing. Because they still believe there are leaders that will step up and do the job for them. That’s why people still write to their MPs, people on here.

Charles Walker said he worried about what lay in the shadows. He’s right. And the people see it too. Now is the time. If not now then when.

232433 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1314 of 2257 🔗

Indeed. Brexit motivated people who were not normally activist. We need to stimulate the same thing on this issue. I tried to persuade him to become more active. Hope it worked.

232519 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1315 of 2257 🔗

I think it needs just one of those noes from Wednesday to join one protest.

It would be nice, but they would argue that while they do not support the lockdown, they can’t break the law by joining protests while they are deemed illegal.

232431 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Julian, 7, #1316 of 2257 🔗

That’s like keeping you head down and hoping Hitler goes away

It didn’t work then and it won’t work now

232434 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Cecil B, 4, #1317 of 2257 🔗

That’s what I keep telling people.

232458 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 7, #1318 of 2257 🔗

It is a mistake to misunderstand where people are coming from. I know quite a few who feel that, for their own sanity, they need to disengage. They aren’t apathetic, even if they feel disempowered.

It’s easy to slag off individuals, and indeed some do seem wilfully dim. But this brainwashing campaign has been immense, and the psychological impact shouldn’t be underestimated. Loss of control is a massively debilitating state, and people do find different ways of dealing with it. Perhaps we should recognize that going all self-righteous is but another technique. 🙂

232489 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 2, #1319 of 2257 🔗

Yes, perhaps for that kind of person apathetic is not the right word. And I certainly agree that these people are as much victims as anything else.

232531 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to RickH, 3, #1320 of 2257 🔗

A lot of people I speak to are apparently unaware there has been a massive propaganda campaign. But it’s those who get angry when they realise they’ve been had that we need most now.

232460 ▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Julian, 1, #1321 of 2257 🔗

that’s where mr farage comes in surely?

232500 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Julian, 2, #1322 of 2257 🔗

I think Emily Sheffield is worth keeping an eye on. She is Sam Cam’s sister and editor of Evening Standard (owned by the Russian billionaire Boris has just ennobled). This is the second day she has tweeted to open up before 2 December:

https://twitter.com/emilysheffield/status/1324680245665026050?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

232520 ▶▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #1323 of 2257 🔗

I thought coke head Osborne was the editor

233178 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #1324 of 2257 🔗

The evening standards headline boards said ‘We need an strategy for London’
At last someone has realised the city is dying.

232423 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #1325 of 2257 🔗

It must have been known that we would recognise all this as a hoax/fraud pretty quickly. A virus? Yes. A deadly one? No but one that could be used.
So ”they” must believe that, even if we do recognise it, there’s not a damn thing we can do about it.

232536 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #1326 of 2257 🔗

Agree – I was saying to my bf earlier that more and more people are waking up every day, it’s just a matter of mobilising that and directing it at the government so they stop tormenting us needlessly. He thinks it will just happen naturally, and it probably will, but it will be a slow process (it’s already taken 8 months to get to this point!)

232957 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Poppy, #1327 of 2257 🔗

However, I suspect it will be exponential after this weeks’ debacle.

232402 DocRC, replying to DocRC, 4, #1328 of 2257 🔗

Johnson is a typical public school buffoon (for all my friends who went to public schools, this is a subset of the public school population) . I first came across the type at Oxford where I studied medicine, not Greats (like Boris) or PPE (Hancock). I was at a social event and the person I was talking to asked me which school I had attended. When I told him Loughborough Grammar School he said “Oh dear” and turned his back on me to talk to someone who presumably went to a more acceptable school!

232426 ▶▶ CGL, replying to DocRC, 1, #1329 of 2257 🔗

I went, and with a few exceptions, can’t stand them

233006 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to DocRC, #1330 of 2257 🔗

Oh dear that you got there on merit rather than Daddy paying. What an arse he was….he did you a favour by not continuing the conversation.

232407 Banjones, 6, #1331 of 2257 🔗

I’m surprised how slowly petitions are growing – well, not THAT surprised, I suppose. Reading about the brave care worker who’s blown the whistle, it reminded me to look at this petition:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/550598
which has grown by just a few each week. Suspicious, innit?

232410 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 13, #1332 of 2257 🔗

The biggest credit bubble in the UK is lease cars

You know the one. Pay £200 a month for three years for an item worth £60,000

After 2008 the fraudsters moved on from mortgages to lease cars

Many are leased by people who have now been sacked

Rishi has kicked this particular can down the road to March

He(you) is now making the repayments on assets that are in effect worthless

232427 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Cecil B, 10, #1333 of 2257 🔗

I would never describe a car as an asset: It’ a depreciating liability at best.

232444 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 6, #1334 of 2257 🔗

Good point.

I’ve always been amazed at how much status people invest in a metal box on wheels.

232468 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to RickH, 1, #1335 of 2257 🔗

Metal debt.

232469 ▶▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to RickH, 5, #1336 of 2257 🔗

When my wife and I bought our car a couple of years ago, we couldn’t believe the lease racket. The thing is, in this day and age there’s no reason why 99% of people can’t buy a car in cash. Everyone just needs to buy within their means. For us (average earners) it was a 2 year old Seat Leon. For wealthier people it would be a brand new Range Rover. But even for quite poor people, a 15-year old Toyota Corolla will keep on going for another 10 years with minimum upkeep and costs about £1,500.

232494 ▶▶▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to kenadams, 2, #1337 of 2257 🔗

“Buy within their means”. Whatever next?

232523 ▶▶▶▶▶ DressageRider, replying to kenadams, 2, #1338 of 2257 🔗

Me neither! I bought a Skoda last year and knowing they were having a bad sales year, negotiated really hard to get the price as low as possible. The best deal was only with a lease, so in order for the dealership to get their percentage, I had to sign a new lease, get my discount, and then immediately cancel the lease and pay off the full sum. Totally bonkers!

232596 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ dorset dumpling, replying to DressageRider, #1339 of 2257 🔗

Been there, done that with Skoda a couple of years ago!

232657 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to DressageRider, #1340 of 2257 🔗

I did the same with my most recent car purchase, bonkers! For taking the PCP I got free servicing for 3 years, £1500 contribution to the price, 2 years of extended warranty and free AA cover.

I cleared the finance 2 months later as 2 payments had to be made in order for the ‘free stuff’ to come through.

232524 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to kenadams, 2, #1341 of 2257 🔗

Yep. I might borrow some of the cost, provided I can repay it in half the time I intend to keep the car.

232521 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to RickH, 3, #1342 of 2257 🔗

So long as it’s reliable and comfortable, starts whenever I turn the key, and gets me to where I want to go in as fuel efficient a manner as possible, then I’m happy.

232568 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Nick Rose, #1343 of 2257 🔗

My grandmother born in 1887 always used to say;”As long as the wheels go round and the dust flies”

232950 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Nick Rose, #1344 of 2257 🔗

That’s my kind of car!

232488 ▶▶ muzzle, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1345 of 2257 🔗

The only way people could afford cars was if they only paid for the depreciation rather than the whole thing.

232415 Awkward Git, 2, #1346 of 2257 🔗

Too harsh – not for these fuckwits, deserve all they get.

232420 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 6, #1347 of 2257 🔗

It was the Trump supporters that did apparently?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/americas-virus-hotspots-overwhelmingly-voted-donald-trump-research/

We’ll just ignore most of NY then

and California

232424 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to PoshPanic, 4, #1348 of 2257 🔗

Was it written by the DT’s ”global health team”? I wonder who pays them, then?

232436 ▶▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to Banjones, 3, #1349 of 2257 🔗

Yeah, the article is vacuous propaganda of no scientific value whatsoever. A more sensible comment would have been that areas harder hit by Covid seemed more l8ely to rally behind the ‘safety’ candidate, Biden..

232432 NickR, replying to NickR, 7, #1350 of 2257 🔗

Hospital Admissions to English hospitals last 10 days. It’s one hell of a pandemic!!!!!!
Send this to your MP, show it to your bedwetter (sorry, not supposed to use that term anymore) ex-friends.

232456 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to NickR, 1, #1351 of 2257 🔗

Funny thing about the hospital stats; admissions are stable, but the number of patients in hospital (allegedly with lab flu) is increasing. Now why could that be?

232617 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Tenchy, #1352 of 2257 🔗

Catching it in hospital ?

232459 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to NickR, 4, #1353 of 2257 🔗

The numbers just aren’t going their way at the moment, but sadly that doesn’t seem to matter any more because they are now relying on models, predictions, projections, forecasts and scenarios instead.

232510 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1354 of 2257 🔗

I think that’s a point that’s well made, A.

They are now at the Gordon Brown stage of sticking their collective fingers in their collective ears and shouting, “can’t hear you”.

They are being told from all quarters their numbers are flawed, to the point of being downright wrong (dishonest?). Heneghan, Spector, Yeadon and others tell them constantly.

Valance and Whitty were still sticking to their belief in their models, forecasts and scenarios while giving evidence to the Science Committee the other day. They don’t want to talk about the actual factual data.

They are still sticking to the argument that Test and Trace is the solution to this. Heneghan, earlier this year, told the Science Committee (and I am paraphrasing him here) that “you cannot test your way out of a pandemic”.

It’s all proof that they have an agenda and intend to stick to it.

232514 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1355 of 2257 🔗

Not convinced of their agenda, other than “Steiner will retrieve the situation.”

232546 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ceriain, #1356 of 2257 🔗

It all seems to bounce off them, like water off a duck’s back. I’ve never experienced anything like it before and it’s making me more and more convinced that something else is going on, much as I’m not one for conspiracies.

232566 ▶▶▶▶▶ Gracie Knoll, replying to A. Contrarian, #1357 of 2257 🔗

There are no conspiracy theories. There is only conspiracy reality.

232487 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to NickR, #1358 of 2257 🔗

They aren’t ‘admissions’; the ‘admission’ numbers are fake. We all know this!

232616 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to NickR, #1359 of 2257 🔗

Never show the discharges in quite the same way do they ?

232820 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Leemc23, #1360 of 2257 🔗

No, but you can find Covid discharges if you know where to look, but they only release the full numbers once a month. Current report is here: https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/10/Covid-Publication-08-10-2020v3.xlsx

Next report, which should show all numbers up to the end of October is due out on November 12th.

232437 EssieSW, replying to EssieSW, 22, #1361 of 2257 🔗

Twatbag, I mean Boris “The NHS is open for business”

Today, hospitals in Birmingham and Manchester cancel all elective surgery for a month

232463 ▶▶ Edward, replying to EssieSW, 7, #1362 of 2257 🔗

He tells a lot of lies.

232613 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Edward, #1363 of 2257 🔗

Hard to know what he is actually honest about anymore !

232937 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Edward, #1364 of 2257 🔗

Another Edward! I’ve been posting here for months. To avoid confusion maybe you can add an initial or something. Anyway I agree with your comment.

232449 ▶▶ Julian, replying to sky_trees, 11, #1366 of 2257 🔗

Some good points but sadly he is talking about improving test and trace, possible third wave

There are very few among the rebels who realise the truth that a more or less do-nothing approach is the only sensible one

232545 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Julian, 2, #1367 of 2257 🔗

I agree, I liked: So it was important to get access to the real underlying data. Yet MPs were not given access to the data on bed occupancy rates, nor up-to-date death rates for respiratory illnesses. In all my time in parliament I have never encountered a situation where one could not see the actual data on which such a momentous decision was to be made.
but as you say, didn’t like the third wave and t&t reference.

He is not a popular MP, locally. Even though he never claimed travel expenses at all. But at least he is eloquently pointing out the harms of LD and the failure of Govt to look at the situation properly

232611 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to sky_trees, #1368 of 2257 🔗

Third Wave ? Fuck me that’s a stretch. Did even the Spanish Flu have that ? Ridiculous. Viruses don’t do waves anyway.

232441 c s, replying to c s, 239, #1369 of 2257 🔗

How many of us are using this website on a regular basis? Its hard to tell as I see a lot of comments from the same bunch of people.

Maybe hit THUMBS UP on this comment if you come and read every day…then we can get a sense of just how big a community we are?

232445 ▶▶ Liam, replying to c s, 4, #1370 of 2257 🔗

You could probably get visitor numbers from site admin.

232472 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Liam, 3, #1371 of 2257 🔗

MabelCow also has done some work on aggregation of site data.

232662 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to JohnB, 1, #1372 of 2257 🔗

Panscepticon, that’s the one.

232478 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Liam, 3, #1373 of 2257 🔗

Yes; they will have all the numbers.

232518 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Liam, 1, #1374 of 2257 🔗

Or google analytics.

232448 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to c s, 10, #1375 of 2257 🔗

Don’t comply it’s the 77th

232505 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Cecil B, 8, #1376 of 2257 🔗

Don’t worry, there’s more of us than there is of them 😉

232881 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1377 of 2257 🔗

Yes a very peculiar request and most likely it is the very dodgy 77th Brigade, as you point out. We should tell them nothing and all be very careful about making private arrangements with other posters, as you can never be sure who you are actually dealing with.

232538 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to c s, 5, #1378 of 2257 🔗

63000 is not bad!

232555 ▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to c s, 1, #1379 of 2257 🔗

Missed yesterday, but did have a really long day at work.

232638 ▶▶ annie, replying to c s, 6, #1380 of 2257 🔗

Aha, is this a Cunning Plan to get top billing?
Annie, you have a nasty suspicious mind.

233113 ▶▶ Nomie90, replying to c s, 1, #1381 of 2257 🔗

I read daily but haven’t commented so far. Almost reached the point where I have too much to say!

232450 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1382 of 2257 🔗

Please join the antisocially-distanced queue in Liverpool – if you want to be placed under house arrest:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-54828634

232475 ▶▶ muzzle, replying to Tenchy, 4, #1383 of 2257 🔗

Wearing masks outside. Says it all.

232454 Andy Riley, 1, #1384 of 2257 🔗

Excellent! I like the truth drug analogy.

232455 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1385 of 2257 🔗

Why no Simon Dolan case ruling?

232462 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1386 of 2257 🔗

Don’t know if the delay is good or bad.

232496 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #1387 of 2257 🔗

Good I think

232497 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #1388 of 2257 🔗

Perhaps being an optimist, but I’ll say good. It suggests the judges are consulting and researching, checking claims and counter-claims.

232507 ▶▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Nick Rose, -1, #1389 of 2257 🔗

Nahhhh they all bent kiddie fiddling cunts in the pay of the PTB

232625 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Jaguarpig, 1, #1390 of 2257 🔗

Don’t be gormlessly stupid – it’s not a good look for a site that claims rationality.

232499 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1391 of 2257 🔗

The longer the better (within reason). Hopefully the judges are reading up and checking precedents.

232461 Awkward Git, 20, #1392 of 2257 🔗

Don’t think I’ve seen even one non-sceptical, non-narrative comment on any comments board on any story, example below:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8917845/Weekly-Covid-19-infection-rates-dropped-82-countrys-149-local-authorities.html#reader-comments

Government has lost the consent of the people.

232466 Ceriain, 1, #1393 of 2257 🔗

That is superb! You’ve summed up him, and the situation he has created perfectly.

232470 jhfreedom, replying to jhfreedom, 14, #1394 of 2257 🔗

Ok, very anecdotal but on Thursday I went to Tesco at 6am (to avoid the masses) and I noticed half the staff not wearing masks, in contrast to the period since the Tiering was introduced when pretty much all of them were. And I went to a deli in the village today and the boss was not wearing a mask either, plus one of his staff wasn’t either.

What’s going on? Would it be mis-reading the situation to suggest people are giving up? Or was there a slight adjustment in the rules for retail staff?

We can but hope…

232502 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to jhfreedom, 5, #1395 of 2257 🔗

Oaktree Tesco Mansfield hardly any staff have worn a mask throughout this shit show. No deaths to staff.

232534 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to jhfreedom, 3, #1396 of 2257 🔗

I notice that a lot of shops look ‘half open’ in contrast to the first house arrest. Back in March everything was totally shuttered, but right now restaurants are still open for takeaway and I look into shops and see some staff getting deliveries, sorting stock etc even if they’re closed. This also gives me hope that this house arrest will end on 2nd December because surely if it were to be extended, the ‘higher ups’ would have told retailers on the quiet and they wouldn’t even be bothering to keep going behind the scenes, they’d just shut down completely like last time.

232543 ▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Poppy, 3, #1397 of 2257 🔗

Again, anecdotally my builder who does a lot of work with a big brewery/pub group told me that they have cancelled their Christmas menus this year. That may be less a reflection of what the restrictions are after 2 December but more that so much damage has been done already and the logistics required to get Christmas menus ready has been irrevocably disrupted by this second lockdown. Sigh.

232557 ▶▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to jhfreedom, 2, #1398 of 2257 🔗

Agree – I still think that Johnson will lift house arrest on 2nd December to give the beleaguered shops time to claw back some Christmas profit but as you say, for a lot of places it’s more than just the few weeks before 25th December, many others start gearing up in October.

232620 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Poppy, 1, #1399 of 2257 🔗

Of course – if the Shitshow Clowns seriously believed the terrible consequences of this virus, they would continue the lock-up over Christmas, wouldn’t they?

232701 ▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Poppy, 4, #1400 of 2257 🔗

‘#Shop out to help out’ in December and then in January they will produce another wonky bollocks chart and then give us a bollocking for going out and catching the usual post xmas lurgy.

232604 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to jhfreedom, 1, #1401 of 2257 🔗

On the subject of supermarkets. As said yesterday. How many have closed due to a Covid cluster (worldwide) ? Even in the peak of the “pandemic”

232920 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to jhfreedom, #1402 of 2257 🔗

Hopefully it’s a sign of non-compliance.
Bring it on!!

232473 Tim Bidie, 3, #1403 of 2257 🔗

Latest IFS briefing note: COVID-19 and disruptions to the care of older people in England

A further indictment of this government and its panic driven policies:

‘Prioritisation of COVID-19 patients has led to widespread disruptions of health care for the over-50 population in England. Our analysis shows that almost one in six individuals in this group – implying a total of 3.6 million older individuals in England – have had some hospital treatment cancelled in the early stages of the pandemic.

Older individuals, those in worse health and those who live in more deprived areas are more likely to require hospital care and have consequently been more affected by cancellations. Policies to catch up on missed care should prioritise these vulnerable patients to avoid disruptions during the pandemic exacerbating longstanding health inequalities.

Disruptions to health care during the pandemic have not been limited to hospital services. In addition to cancelled hospital treatment, more than one in ten individuals have been unable to access GP care during the survey period in spring 2020. Worryingly, among those who needed to see or speak to their GP and tried to do so, individuals previously reporting worse overall health were twice as likely to be unsuccessful in their efforts to see a GP than those previously reporting excellent general health.

Access to community health and social care services has been even more severely affected, with three-quarters of individuals who required such services either unable to access them or deciding not to contact them in the first place.

The impact of this disruption has disproportionately fallen on those living in the most deprived areas, and those in worst health. These groups are likely either to struggle most to access alternative forms of care, or to forgo care entirely.’

https://ifs.org.uk/uploads/BN309-COVID-19-and-disruptions-to-the-health-and-social-care-of-older-people-in-England-1.pdf

232477 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1404 of 2257 🔗

Have you noticed the police hyping up the covid fear porn

If the police published this then they are in contempt of court as the matter is sub judice

Havehttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-54837611?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=5fa5389b45324002c52d9296%26Birthday%20party%20organiser%20in%20Wolverhampton%20fined%20%C2%A310%2C000%262020-11-06T17%3A06%3A48.379Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:ed34f02c-6ce8-4d7c-8ec1-bcaa31531dcd&pinned_post_asset_id=5fa5389b45324002c52d9296&pinned_post_type=share

232482 kenadams, replying to kenadams, 14, #1406 of 2257 🔗

I sent an email to all MPs who voted against the 2nd lockdown to firstly thank them, but then to emphasis that the important thing now is to move away from lockdowns, even partial ones or ‘tiers’, entirely.

Steve Baker has got back to me to thank me for the email. Nothing more than that, but it’s a start…

232808 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to kenadams, #1407 of 2257 🔗

I’ve also done this. Had a couple of polite ‘thank you’ replies (Drax, and Swayne), and a few saying a personal reply only available to constituents who provided full addess details; fair enough, I think, given how bulging their email boxes must be.

232931 ▶▶ Edward, replying to kenadams, #1408 of 2257 🔗

Same here, I’m only half way through as I’m emailing them individually, but Steve Baker and Philip Davies have already replied with one-liners of appreciation.

232490 Charles Babbage, replying to Charles Babbage, 3, #1409 of 2257 🔗

A school near me is now making children and staff wear masks IN LESSONS! Can you imagine…

https://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/copleston-high-school-ipswich-face-masks-in-lessons-1-6919453

232599 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Charles Babbage, 1, #1410 of 2257 🔗

Ask for the risk assessment behind that decision. If they have not considered the harm from the risk control remove your child from school as they are being inappropriately put at risk.

232607 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Charles Babbage, 1, #1411 of 2257 🔗

And what’s that non-entity Williamson doing about this?

Oh, let me guess …

232726 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Charles Babbage, 1, #1412 of 2257 🔗

Charles Babbage

“I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question.”

Asked by Members of Parliament if his difference engine would still provide the right answers even if the wrong figures were entered.

232794 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #1413 of 2257 🔗

LOL! Smart bloke, Charles was.

Goes to show the intelligence level of MPs hasn’t shifted up much since then.

232492 NickR, replying to NickR, 9, #1414 of 2257 🔗

Hospital occupancy, this bloody exponential growth.
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare

232529 ▶▶ Will, replying to NickR, 1, #1415 of 2257 🔗

That ties in quite neatly with the ONS/ KCL surveys putting the peak of infections in the week ending the 23rd October….

232582 ▶▶ RickH, replying to NickR, #1416 of 2257 🔗

Of course – hospital occupancy should be increasing after the disastrous shut-down.

The problem is that we may be travelling back to square one – or at least not increasing the occupancy enough!

232624 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to NickR, 3, #1417 of 2257 🔗

Hospital data is tricky stuff, we have hospital admissions at about 1400 a day but the hospital occupancy appears to be roughly flat-lining, you could assume this means vast numbers are also being discharged? or it could be that the admissions figures do not mean what you might think they mean?
Yet despite all this hospital data which is hard to tease apart but which overall does not look too devastating, we then have the BBC news announcing doom and gloom as the NHS cancels surgery and is swamped by all the huge and devastating number of covid cases.

Am I turning into Victor Meldrew? when i hear all this NHS despair and I find myself saying ‘I don’t believe it!’ If we have an NHS which struggles to cope with a bit of respiratory disease in the autumn despite a budget of £129 billion, is it really up to the job? I am fed up with the powers that be trying to make me feel guilty for overwhelming the NHS as a result of my unhealthy behavior and disregard of the covidolgy doctrine.

232709 ▶▶▶ NickR, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #1418 of 2257 🔗

You may recall Enoch Powell saying ‘for a politician to complain about the press is a bit like a sailor complaining about the sea’, but it’s a bit much for the NHS to moan about all these ill people.
Hospitalisations in England have averaged at 1245 over the past 10 days. Occupancy has been pretty stable too. CEBM report that about 20% of admissions are from other departments in the hospital of people who are already in-patients. Daily there are fewer people coming from outside hospital into hospital with coronavirus.

232789 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to NickR, #1419 of 2257 🔗

CEBM report that about 20% of admissions are from other departments in the hospital of people who are already in-patients.

Would never normally argue with Carl Heneghan, but, given the NHS’s own numbers, I would argue it’s more than that; in September, it was more 20%/80% from outside/inside, respectively.

I’m currently waiting for the next NHS publication with the full admissions/diagnoses numbers for October; it’s due out on November 12th.

232828 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Steve Martindale, #1420 of 2257 🔗

It does struggle every Autumn and Winter. And a lot of summers now too…

232508 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 4, #1421 of 2257 🔗

Interview with student fresher at Manchester Uni – “They fenced us in like animals.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oBHOgiTsIw

232915 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Londo Mollari, #1422 of 2257 🔗

She’s a real star!

232509 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #1423 of 2257 🔗

Go to the Department of Homeland Security website:

https://www.dhs.gov

Then click on the top banner that says “Protect 2020” under where it says “Rumor vs Reality” or whatever the banner has changed to you end up here:

https://www.cisa.gov/rumorcontrol?utm_source=hp_slideshow&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=dhsgov

It is all true about there being a department called CISA.

232517 John Galt, replying to John Galt, 28, #1425 of 2257 🔗

I spoke with a friend today about something that you might all find interesting.

My friend works in a public facing job. Yesterday he got speaking to a woman and her 14 year old daughter. The 14 year old daughter was in a wheelchair, but could use crutches and generally did, and she was having trouble with her voice and speech. My friend got talking to them and the Mum explained that months back the daughter had been diagnosed with covid, she was ill for a couple of weeks, and then all was fine. However, recently, she’d had these issues. They’d gone to the doctors and the doctor had diagnosed her as having “long covid”. She said that they’d been doing a lot of tests on her daughter but hadn’t really come up with anything, and the Mum and daughter were both extremely distressed about the whole experience as the daughter had been fit and healthy prior to this. My friend is sceptical and he’s aware that I’m super sceptical, so he asked me what I thought.

I told him that the concept of long covid is complete nonsense and there is absolutely no way that a 14 year old girl would end up with mobility and voice issues solely because of covid. I said to give me a minute and I’d look it up.

I went online and searched for “can’t walk trouble speaking”. The second result was for “Ataxia” and it states “people with ataxia lose muscle control in their arms and legs . Ataxia may affect speech . Some injuries or illnesses can cause ataxia to appear suddenly .” I then thought I wonder if there’s a correlation between ataxia and the flu, so I searched and the first result is regarding flu jabs being offered for anyone predisposed to ataxia, and the second result states “Post-viral cerebellar ataxia also known as acute cerebellitis and acute cerebellar ataxia (ACA) is a disease characterized by the sudden onset of ataxia following a viral infection .”

I showed my friend the list of symptoms and he said it matched up exactly with what the woman said her daughter had. He’s now hoping that he runs into them again so he can let them know.

So doctors now appear to be giving out diagnoses of “long covid” and nothing more. The insanity just increases by the day.

232525 ▶▶ watashi, replying to John Galt, 7, #1426 of 2257 🔗

ask your friend if the daughter had recently had the hpv vaccine. This can cause terrible
vaccine injury and sometimes death. I recommend the book ‘Shattered dreams:The HPV vaccine exposed’.

232530 ▶▶▶ watashi, replying to watashi, 4, #1427 of 2257 🔗

p.s. of course any doctor would no doubt say it was pure coincidence.

232647 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to John Galt, 3, #1428 of 2257 🔗

It is well known that viral infections can cause neurological problems, even a dimple “tummy bug” can cause Guillian Barre syndrome (paralysis starting in both feet progressing upwards). Measles can cause encephalitis. Which is why I cannot understand why people are going on about long covid, and why does the NHS have to have extra funding to support these unfortunate people?
Of course there are the two cases of volunteers experiencing neurological problems after the Astra-Zeneca vaccine.

232527 Alethea, 1, #1429 of 2257 🔗

This is superb. And very, very clever.
You’re on the wrong side for this comparison, but it’s worthy of Desmoulins at his most furiously eloquent.

232533 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1430 of 2257 🔗

This from the BBC, if we ever wanted confirmation about the bullshit this is it

Ever heard a Scouser talk like this?

This is not a Monty Python sketch is it ?

Pure comedy magic

17:34

What do Liverpudlians think of the new testing system? We’ve been asking for your views about the pilot testing programme in Liverpool, where anyone who lives or works in the city is being offered regular and repeated tests, whether or not they have symptoms.

Here are some of the comments that have been made.

  • I think it’s a great idea but was disappointed when I went for my test this morning that it could be 24 to 72 hours before learning the results and therefore to isolate until then. That’s not going to encourage me to do repeated tests. I have no symptoms and was all for this initiative for Liverpool – Christine Dempsey
  • I do not have symptoms. Booked a test at the Wavertree Tennis Centre. When I arrived on time for my appointment I was told that I had to join the queue with everyone who had NOT made an appointment. The wait time was one hour. What is the point of making an appointment? There was no social distancing. I did not wait – Tim Gough
  • Should be all Merseyside region, not just Liverpool, we were locked down together as one so should be tested as one – David Barnes
  • It is a very good, very welcome initiative which might identify carriers early to prevent further spread and get us out of lockdown quicker, but also in a sustainable way. However, the government acted too late again – Mark Douglas
232594 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Cecil B, 19, #1431 of 2257 🔗

“I do not have any symptoms”. Then why the ducking hell are you getting a test ? Jesus go live your life. Read a nice book, go for a walk, watch Jaws, do anything rather than stand in the cold for a pointless test that keeps this nonsense ticking. Wake up.

232641 ▶▶ HaylingDave, replying to Cecil B, 5, #1432 of 2257 🔗

“… prevent further spread and get us out of lockdown quicker …”

Ahhhhhh, Haaaaaaaaa … good one!

What kind of daft, kool aid drinking fucking moron would actually think that?! Jesus, where has the commenter been the past 8 months?

232678 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1433 of 2257 🔗

Mark Douglas. You need help son.

232687 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to Cecil B, #1434 of 2257 🔗

Mark Douglas defo not a scouser

232689 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1435 of 2257 🔗

77B dog dirt, ppffftttt. Ignore.

232890 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cecil B, #1436 of 2257 🔗

God help us all!

232549 Poppy, replying to Poppy, 26, #1437 of 2257 🔗

https://twitter.com/seekthetruth27/status/1324730822201614336

This is the first time I’ve seen a test centre queue but it still beggars belief. The silly sods are probably furloughed with nothing better to do and getting paid £50 in Amazon vouchers to get tested.

Why you would want to waste 2-3 hours of your precious time waiting in the cold to get an invasive test carried out in a non-sterile car park by a non-medical professional for a virus with no symptoms. If this were a real pandemic a) you wouldn’t need to test asymptomatic people on such a massive scale and b) handing out cash bribes for tests would be seen as incredibly crass.

232558 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Poppy, 4, #1438 of 2257 🔗

UNBELIEVABLE.

232563 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Poppy, 2, #1439 of 2257 🔗

Do they really Amazon vouchers or is that a piss take?

232584 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Cecil B, #1440 of 2257 🔗

Back in September they did.

Could be expensive , said the Metro in October.

232585 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Poppy, 5, #1441 of 2257 🔗

No wonder aliens won’t come here.

This is a lot of people at the moment.

232663 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Poppy, #1442 of 2257 🔗

What a depressing sight. Seriously had hoped better of Brits.

232887 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Poppy, 2, #1443 of 2257 🔗

This comment sums it up:

Can’t play tennis to keep healthy but you can wait in a queue at the tennis centre for 3 hours in the fresh air with a muzzle on. I give up.

232550 Will, replying to Will, 21, #1444 of 2257 🔗

I hope the likes of Sunetra Gupta and Mike Yeadon are treating themselves to a bit of, well deserved, satisfaction this evening. It really is beginning to look like they are going to be vindicated. Have to say I have got a spring in my step after those ONS and KCL surveys, especially as the down turn in infections has got the square root of f’ck all to do with unobserved tiers or the uninitiated lockdown and can only be down to effective herd immunity.

232554 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Will, 12, #1445 of 2257 🔗

It’s funny because Johnson could have had a get out if he’d just waited an extra week. We know that the cases are declining due to a mixture of immunity and reduced testing, but he could have used it to show that his ‘Tiers’ were working and start to move us out of this endless cycle of restrictions. Instead we were bounced into another lockdown.

232564 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Poppy, 10, #1446 of 2257 🔗

I am hopeful that Johnson has, finally, given the corrupt advisors enough rope to hang themselves and he will chuck them under the bus next week. Extremely heartened to read that someone has asked whether Vallance retains the confidence of the PM. Once questions like that start being asked the clock is ticking.

232803 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Will, 3, #1447 of 2257 🔗

If Whitty and Vallance do go, I’ll be happier than I have been in months.

232857 ▶▶▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #1448 of 2257 🔗

Don’t worry about just Whitty and Vallance because Johnson will be going as soon as Brexit is sorted .Johnson is now the biggest liability the conservatives have ever had .He is a shell of a man and a spent force who’s time is up . Everyone now knows if the Tories are to survive he must go and as soon as possible .

233167 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Will, #1449 of 2257 🔗

The science is following government direction,not the other way.

232581 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Poppy, 5, #1450 of 2257 🔗

it rumoured to be the reason why the lockdown story was leaked on Friday evening so that it gave no room for Boris to change his mind before the planned press conference on the Monday.

232589 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to crimsonpirate, 6, #1451 of 2257 🔗

More candidates for the underneath of the bus. Handy cock has probably served his purpose as the whipping boy anyway.

232595 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Poppy, 5, #1452 of 2257 🔗

I wrote that on one of the Telegraph blogs a few days ago. Someone replied it was a good idea, rational and therefore would not happen!

232623 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Poppy, 9, #1453 of 2257 🔗

Yes exactly. I would have preferred ignoring the Tier system for a bit longer. Now I have to go to the trouble of ignoring a national lockdown.

232800 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Poppy, 3, #1454 of 2257 🔗

Yes, I’ve said this several times today, if he’d just waited a few more days he would have been able to trumpet the success of his local bollox and stick one up to Starmer. Instead he’s ruining the country once again and looks like a complete blibbering idiot (which he is of course, but for different reasons). He has f*cked up big time.

232699 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Will, 2, #1455 of 2257 🔗

Yep, next few days will be crucial, as the national Lockdown can’t take credit for any downturn in “cases” and deaths.

232551 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 48, #1456 of 2257 🔗

Lots of non-essential shops here have decided to stay open, for example a glazing shop at the bottom of my road and a fishing tackle shop round the corner. If they close again, they will never reopen. A friend informed me that they’ve told the councils to shove it up their *rse and the councils can’t do nothing about it. Great news.

232561 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to A. Contrarian, 16, #1457 of 2257 🔗

Great! We have a car wash open.

232583 ▶▶▶ dorset dumpling, replying to Country Mumkin, 6, #1458 of 2257 🔗

Will check out our local one tomorrow. Run by two guys who do an excellent job for £10, including the door sills and around the wheel arches.

232733 ▶▶ janis pennance, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1459 of 2257 🔗

I’m going out to find any shop open that shouldn’t be and spend some cash

232797 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to janis pennance, #1460 of 2257 🔗

Yes, I can feel a burning need for fishing tackle coming on…

232552 Tom Blackburn, 2, #1461 of 2257 🔗

Simon Dolan’s judgement??

232553 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, #1462 of 2257 🔗

Sorry, a bit cruel, I know, but I’m a cynic. 🙂

I wonder how many people in Liverpool are queing up to get testing in the hope that, if they are positive they are in line for a wad of cash? I wonder how many know you have to employed to get the bribe “Support Payment” .

I wonder how many are going to be disappointed when they put in a claim to discover:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/test-and-trace-support-payment-scheme-claiming-financial-support/claiming-financial-support-under-the-test-and-trace-support-payment-scheme

If you have been told to self-isolate on or after 28 September 2020, you’re under a legal obligation to do so, and could be eligible for a £500 Test and Trace Support Payment if you live in England and meet all the following criteria :

you have been told to stay at home and self-isolate by NHS Test and Trace, either because you have tested positive for coronavirus or have recently been in close contact with someone who has tested positive
you’re employed or self-employed
you’re unable to work from home and will lose income as a result of self-isolating

you’re currently receiving at least one of the following:

Universal Credit

Working Tax Credit

income-based Employment and Support Allowance

income-based Jobseeker’s Allowance

Income Support

Housing Benefit

Pension Credit

or,

If you do not fulfil the above criteria for the Test and Trace Support Payment, you could be eligible for a £500 discretionary payment if you live in England and meet the following criteria:

you have been told to stay at home and self-isolate by NHS Test and Trace, either because you have tested positive for coronavirus or have recently been in close contact with someone who has tested positive

you are employed or self-employed

you are unable to work from home and will lose income as a result of self-isolating

you are not currently receiving Universal Credit, Working Tax Credit, income-based Employment and Support Allowance, income-based Jobseeker’s Allowance, Income Support, Housing Benefit and/or Pension Credit
you are on a low income and will face financial hardship as a result of not being able to work while you are self-isolating

232580 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Ceriain, 6, #1463 of 2257 🔗

Knowing a few scousers I’d say quite a few – and the guys I know would openly admit it as well without any shame, it’s free money.

Then they’d go off to their cash in hand job.

232615 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #1464 of 2257 🔗

I’ve checked with a contact in the DWP; he says you have to be in work and receiving in-work benefits to get the payment. It’s not open to people on benefits only.

He says they’ve had a lot of calls asking about it; he wouldn’t be drawn on whether most of the call were from a ‘particular area’.

232632 ▶▶▶▶ James H, replying to Ceriain, #1465 of 2257 🔗

There you go. 🏴‍☠️

232769 ▶▶▶▶ davews, replying to Ceriain, #1466 of 2257 🔗

Nothing in it for me then, my pension has to do.

232631 ▶▶ James H, replying to Ceriain, #1467 of 2257 🔗

Suckers. Distressing (possibly) to say it, as I was born there, but “suckers” all the same. 🏴‍☠️

232871 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ceriain, #1468 of 2257 🔗

IDIOTS!

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/liverpool-coronavirus-testing-flying-start-19234314?fbclid=IwAR3Ad_tHoaWIMLZXzaVmPwkuI7gMYNRkB2RBt_5QsYOPw-l0r7Hn40cMZ94

Mass coronavirus testing started in Liverpool at noon today and already hundreds of people are lining up for a test.
…. Residents began to arrive at Liverpool Tennis Centre, one of the six new testing facilities opening in the city, about 45 minutes before it opened at midday on Friday.

232886 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1469 of 2257 🔗

EH! ye could gerra Scoooooter f’dat!

232556 John Galt, replying to John Galt, 1, #1470 of 2257 🔗

I’m planning on going for a walk with 3 other people on Sunday. Can anyone explain the legality of this to me if we’re stopped? If I had to say anything, I’d just say we were living together, but in the back of my mind I feel like I don’t actually have to say anything at all?

A webpage with all of this type of thing broken down would be really helpful if one exists.

232560 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to John Galt, 4, #1471 of 2257 🔗

If you were grouse shooting it would be OK. Or what about a business meeting?

232570 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Basileus, 3, #1472 of 2257 🔗

Shooting has been stopped during lockdown and that will be observed because people won’t risk their licenses.

233186 ▶▶▶ Watt, replying to Basileus, #1473 of 2257 🔗

Yeah. Each of you carry a shotgun. With shells inside, of course.

232571 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to John Galt, 1, #1474 of 2257 🔗

Just thinking about it is complying

232575 ▶▶▶ John Galt, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1475 of 2257 🔗

Er, not really. I like to be prepared for situations that could arise.

232577 ▶▶ CGL, replying to John Galt, 2, #1476 of 2257 🔗

Support groups are allowed for 15 aren’t they? Or does it have to be a registered group?

232610 ▶▶▶ Bobblybob, replying to CGL, 3, #1477 of 2257 🔗

Yes, registered as a business which you can do for a fiver. So long as you’re meeting somewhere owned by a business or charity etc you are ok. My village green is owned by the village charity, so if i set up as a business providing mental health support its feasibly ok. Of course there’s the question of not having asked permission of the village trust, but your average plod is not going to push things if you sound more informed than they are. Just do it and don’t worry, the worst they can do is say please disperse, their own advice says they have to advise first. Theyre not going to go straight for a ticket, so just meet up again round the corner.

232593 ▶▶ Bobblybob, replying to John Galt, 5, #1478 of 2257 🔗

The police cannot stop you under social distancing, if that is their reason you don’t have to say anything or give any details. My understanding is that they can stop you for being in a group of more than 2, so if you see a rozzer stand 2 metres apart. You don’t know the other 2, and as you’re social distancing you can remain silent. Tie them up in a big fat gordian knot and they won’t bother wasting their time with you.

232606 ▶▶▶ John Galt, replying to Bobblybob, 1, #1479 of 2257 🔗

Thanks.

I think the likelihood is very low, but I like to know my rights for anything that may potentially arise.

232640 ▶▶ RickH, replying to John Galt, 2, #1480 of 2257 🔗

You don’t have to say anything.

232650 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to RickH, 2, #1481 of 2257 🔗

Can one use the line “I do not consent” ?
There was an excellent video a day or two ago. Does anyone have the link to that please?

233210 ▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to John Galt, #1482 of 2257 🔗

Your support bubble?

232559 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #1483 of 2257 🔗

Look how close this is to Sweden. Punishment for no lockdown?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8920593/Mutated-coronavirus-Danish-mink-spread-214-people-lockdown-announced.html

And of course Denmark had the face mask study that was deemed controversial.

232565 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Country Mumkin, 3, #1484 of 2257 🔗

Poor little minks. 🙁

232682 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Ceriain, #1485 of 2257 🔗

We are fur-ious.

232702 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to annie, #1486 of 2257 🔗

Have you got skin in the game?

233090 ▶▶▶▶▶ Arkansas, replying to OKUK, #1487 of 2257 🔗

No. I do have fur, though.

232569 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #1488 of 2257 🔗

We are all minks now

232685 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #1489 of 2257 🔗

Je suis un mink.

232826 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to OKUK, 1, #1490 of 2257 🔗

Ich bin ein Nerz.

232578 ▶▶ Will, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #1491 of 2257 🔗

They are only worried because it might f’ck up their blessed vaccine although I can’t help feeling it is convenient to be able to blame the failure of a vaccine on one of the most despised activities on earth… (not by me I hasten to add)

232628 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Will, 1, #1492 of 2257 🔗

Oh so you think they may pull the vaccine as everyone shows vaccine hesitancy?

232587 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Country Mumkin, 14, #1493 of 2257 🔗

This mink stuff is just balls. Didn’t we have the same nonsense in the summer in Holland ?

How “humane” is it to slaughter millions of animals on the off chance, maybe we should ask a prick like Neil Ferguson.

232626 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Leemc23, 2, #1494 of 2257 🔗

It is possibly another fear monger story “deadly mutation”, or maybe another virus released. “Pandemic 2” as Billy Boy has been quoted

232637 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Leemc23, 5, #1495 of 2257 🔗

Actually – slaughtering mink might be one of the few benefits to come out of this. Introduced mink are lethal to indigenous wildlife.

232642 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to RickH, #1496 of 2257 🔗

“Introduced” is an interesting choice of word.

232736 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Will, 5, #1497 of 2257 🔗

… ‘Farmed’ might be a better word. But the European variety don’t belong in Denmark.

When they escape (or are released by know-nothing sentimentalists), they can cause havoc in certain localities. I’ve seen the effects in Scotland, and would encourage trapping and killing without compunction.

Not the minks’ fault – but extermination would be a good policy.

232854 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to RickH, 4, #1498 of 2257 🔗

I could not agree more. Mink are absolutely devastating for wildlife. Their “release” in the UK is one of the most damaging things that has ever happened to our countryside.

232681 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to RickH, 2, #1499 of 2257 🔗

Yes, maybe this us a cunning plan to get enormous resources devoted to eradicating mink so that otters etc. can flourish?
On the same lines, could we convince our Welsh Politburo fuckwits that Japanese Knotweed carries Covid?

232567 Mabel Cow, replying to Mabel Cow, 5, #1500 of 2257 🔗

I’ve published PompeyJunglist’s excellent mask piece on Panscepticon .

232603 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #1501 of 2257 🔗

Thank you. More to come, I presume? 😀

232835 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Ceriain, #1502 of 2257 🔗

I will be coding up some stuff this weekend.

Let me know if there is anything in particular you want to see.

232911 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Mabel Cow, #1503 of 2257 🔗

I’ve noticed a few comments about masks from engineers, and copied this one:

LS223
https://mobile.twitter.com/Kevin_McKernan/status/1320032362550464516
“Masks Masquerading as ScienceTM.
I spent a good part of my career engineering emulsion PCR and Nebulization equipment for DNA and RNA shearing. I have a very different view on this topic and have mostly stayed out of the debate as it’s now cultish.
My largest concern over mask studies is most of them fail to include live virus in the study and measure the infectivity of the particles on the inside and outside of the masks, the fomite formation, and the microbiome risks associated with non-sterile technique mask use.”
See rest of thread. It’s quite long but detailed.

232576 Basics, replying to Basics, 25, #1504 of 2257 🔗

#FilmYourTestCentre
#WhereAreAllTheSickPeople

Greenwich London, empty COVID test station Nov 5th 2020. ⁦
https://twitter.com/pplatesrgrate/status/1324768932255981570?s=20

Alfreton wednesday 4th nov ….Empty
https://twitter.com/Timmytweetur/status/1324757215098580995?s=20

Walton Liverpool just now
https://twitter.com/1878Doyle/status/1324714664966660096?s=20

Covid Test Centre in Woking, lunchtime. DEAD.
https://twitter.com/Kilroy24109303/status/1323610472956846080?s=20

Anyone know where the pandemic is? One of my local test centres this afternoon in a tier 2 area. Town centre as busy as always for a Saturday. Plenty of people out & about. Where are all these 'new cases' coming from?
https://twitter.com/luucieLou/status/1322582794040680448?s=20

Flat our in Gants Hill today
https://twitter.com/3_resurection/status/1321504394135932931?s=20

Portsmouth test site
https://twitter.com/Clintonia84/status/1324707469424250881?s=20

'350,000 UK tests a day', when the test centres are empty.
https://twitter.com/TheYuriBezmenov/status/1324494285362864131?s=20

Lewisham Covid test centre today 5 November @ 12:20 Apart from the staff we were “lucky” to see 2 people within 20min They accept now walk-in appointments… not that busy then? LOL
https://twitter.com/CatfordMess/status/1324343277458509825?s=20

This is Liverpool Anfield by the stadium today, supposed hotspot of the UK not one arrival in 30 minutes
https://twitter.com/fabzucker/status/1322153727533481988?s=20

Rugby Covid-19 test centre 11.22 Sunday (01/11/2020 Couldn’t move for people, so busy!!
https://twitter.com/jazzuk1/status/1323964689878032390?s=20

From a follower! Manchester Etihad Stadium Covid-19 test centre. 9am today (04/11/2020)