2020-11-07

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233492 Will, replying to Will, 4, #1 of 1290 🔗

Is it me?

233787 ▶▶ Arkansas, replying to Will, 3, #2 of 1290 🔗

In a manner of speaking.

233950 ▶▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Arkansas, 2, #3 of 1290 🔗

Dear Will – this is something you have to watch and share

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd2-VY6roL0

From Neil McCoy-Ward

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From Neil McCoy-Ward

233494 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 51, #4 of 1290 🔗

Dr Mike Yeadon has publicly accused Vallance of lying and invited him to sue. Dr Yeadon says that Vallance knows that there could not be a second wave. To date Mr Vallance has not responded

In support of the second wave Vallance has produce the ‘graph of doom’ and the dodgy dossier of 4,000 deaths a day

A second wave will result in Mr Vallance profiting financially from his holding in a vaccine company. The ‘second wave’ lockdown will result in financial loss to a great number of people

If Dr Yeadon is correct then there is in my opinion prima facie evidence that Mr Vallance has committed a criminal offence under the 2006 Fraud Act

It is open to an individual to write to The Director of Public Prosecutions and The Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police and demand an investigation

If I write it will never make the press

If an MP writes it will make the press

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraud_Act_2006

233501 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Cecil B, 20, #5 of 1290 🔗

Get a form letter together along with the contact details and we can all send one in plus to our local police.

233768 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #6 of 1290 🔗

Absolutely right. We need these letter writing campaigns to hold people to account.
AG, have you got your own website to enable this?
If not do we have someone here who can do so?

233529 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Cecil B, 5, #7 of 1290 🔗

What about a class action?

233544 ▶▶ AfterAll, replying to Cecil B, 33, #8 of 1290 🔗

The reason “viruses don´t have second waves” is that we don´t normally try to suppress them. To the extent that you do somehow succeed in suppressing the virus then you could get a second wave, as the virus infects the people who missed it the first time.

233577 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to AfterAll, 10, #9 of 1290 🔗

Which was said here months ago and at other places, small blogs I follow, at the start of lockdown.

233598 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to AfterAll, 33, #10 of 1290 🔗

Then any second wave will be an intentional, having been engineered for political advantage. The Boris Johnson government is nothing more than a bunch of crooks and murderers and should be dealt with accordingly. Are you listening Cressida Dick, or are you also in on a cut of Gates’s obscene vaccine profits?

233773 ▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Rowan, 6, #11 of 1290 🔗

Yeadon did mention the possibility of a small second wave on that basis.

233966 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Rowan, 4, #12 of 1290 🔗

I see two possible reasons for a second wave. First, mask wearing has the potential to cause health problems in a number of ways. Secondly, influenza vaccines could well activate retro-viruses (according to Judy Mikovits) as they may well have done in Wuhan and Lombardy.

233810 ▶▶▶ sceptickat, replying to AfterAll, 11, #13 of 1290 🔗

I remember Vallance himself warning this could happen in a briefing before the first lockdown. It was reported in the Guardian here https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/13/coronavirus-science-chief-defends-uk-measures-criticism-herd-immunity .
This almost proves that the Government have caused the ‘second wave’, not the public.

233857 ▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to sceptickat, 11, #14 of 1290 🔗

This government must not be allowed to remain in office and Labour should be held accountable for supporting Johnson

233495 arfurmo, #15 of 1290 🔗

Bronze again?

233496 Steve Hayes, 11, #16 of 1290 🔗

When the government in England introduced lockdown measures on 23 March 2020, it claimed that it was motivated by a concern to save lives and that its policies were determined by the science. This has remained the government’s explicit rationale for all the constantly changing rules. Yet even the most cursory examination shows the assertion to be false. Measures have been introduced without any attempt to assess the negative effects. Measures have been presented as being based on scientific evidence, which turns out to be non-existent. When one examines the behaviour of the government, its claim to be concerned to save lives by following the science immediately collapses. https://viewsandstories.blogspot.com/2020/11/coronavirus-responses-examination-of.html

233504 Commander Jameson, replying to Commander Jameson, 31, #17 of 1290 🔗

Before you know it the mink thing will be used to justify the culling of all farm animals and pets. Vets will be obliged to report all their customers so none are missed. This happened to a certain extent in Wuhan back at the beginning.

It just so happens that veganism is a goal of the climate change lobby, and Professor Lockdown is famous for his mass foot and mouth disease slaughter. (I wonder, wasn’t there a world leader in recent history who was vegetarian and very much into culling people?). And we can’t have any more carbon emissions for something as frivolous as your pet dogs and cats.

Who still thinks they aren’t using the latest sniffles as cover for their agenda?

233557 ▶▶ Sylvie, replying to Commander Jameson, 18, #18 of 1290 🔗

More likely that before you know it this will be used to justify wiping out the earth’s bat populations. Can just see them gassing caves. I wish some of the techie fanboys would buzz off to Mars and let us earthlings live our risky and enriching lives here in symbiosis with nature.
Support the Bat Conservation Trust if in the UK:
https://www.bats.org.uk/
BAT LIVES MATTER!

233822 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Sylvie, 9, #19 of 1290 🔗

They’ll kill all the bats but no mosquitoes. Nothing surprises me any more.

I think the Mars colony is more likely to be for us lot while the herd immunity deniers will stay behind on Earth. This seems to be the way Elon Musk sees it shaping up.

People think of living on Mars as science fiction but we could easily have had a really decent Mars colony for what this pandemic hysteria has cost the world. This makes me despair of the human race.

233567 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Commander Jameson, 10, #20 of 1290 🔗

100% evil

233595 ▶▶▶ Commander Jameson, replying to Dan Clarke, 15, #21 of 1290 🔗

You have to be able to think like your enemy. I think this is one of the things to our advantage as skeptics – we aren’t as tribal as most people – we don’t refuse to speak to someone because they are a democrat or because they are a republican – we can see where the other person is coming from and agree or disagree with it on the facts rather than because they give their view some label or other.

If you understand where the green/greta/globalist lobby is coming from, get inside their thinking, you can see how far they are prepared to go.

233651 ▶▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Commander Jameson, 5, #22 of 1290 🔗

I do understand the passion but see it as irrational, that they want the world they want, asap, regardless of how they do it. People have been encouraged, by those wanting to get rich, including the globalists, to have ‘things’. What do they want now, to reduce the billions in a few months?

233585 ▶▶ Commander Jameson, replying to Commander Jameson, 12, #23 of 1290 🔗

Incidentally, as a thought experiment (and regular China visitor), I can’t imagine the Chinese population accepting the imposition of veganism for any reason. Banning meat, or just destroying the supply of meat, is one of the very few ways you could actually start a revolution in that increasingly oppressed and brainwashed* country. The last thing that panicked the regime was the increasing price of pork leading into the 70th anniversary of the CCP celebrations – domestic supply was being so devastated by swine fever that they relaxed import restrictions so citizens deprived of their staple didn’t get restless. Millions on the streets in Hong Kong? That can be just swatted away. No pork for the holidays – trouble brewing.

I wonder if we Europeans would accept it “for our own good”. If we are now actually more receptive to tyranny than one of the most oppressed peoples on the planet?

*:Yes, China has always been oppressed and brainwashed, but it is increasing and already substantially worse under Xi than his recent predecessors.

233604 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Commander Jameson, 8, #24 of 1290 🔗

It’s not just our pet dogs that they want to get rid of.

233615 ▶▶▶ Commander Jameson, replying to Rowan, 15, #25 of 1290 🔗

“First they came for the dogs, but I did not speak up for I don’t have a dog.”

This explains why democracy (mob rule) needs to be tempered by (European meaning, i.e. free society and free trade) liberalism. Because everyone is in a minority. In fact in several minorities. Only a tiny minority of people go to football matches, so should we ban going to football? Oh look, we already did. After all, the majority don’t care.

233628 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Commander Jameson, 9, #26 of 1290 🔗

Democracy is the people collectively deciding public policy. There isn’t too much of it; there is far too little. The banning of attendance at football matches wasn’t decided by a referendum; it was imposed by an unaccountable government.

233637 ▶▶▶▶▶ Commander Jameson, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #27 of 1290 🔗

This is exactly why some decisions should be left to the individual, and entirely off-limits to any collective.

There is no imaginable good reason to ban you having a dog, just as there is no good reason to stop you going to football, but both could happen by democratic means.

233841 ▶▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Commander Jameson, 1, #28 of 1290 🔗

there are lots of dogs…..

233852 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Commander Jameson, 3, #29 of 1290 🔗

Same applied to closing pubs at 10pm and banning nightclubs.

233780 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Commander Jameson, 3, #30 of 1290 🔗

Would Johnson front for that? A man who thought of himself as the new Churchill, reduced to a parody of Chaim Rumkowski. “Give me your hamsters.”

233860 ▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Ovis, 4, #31 of 1290 🔗

Johnson couldn’t lace Churchills boots

233791 ▶▶ guy153, replying to Commander Jameson, 6, #32 of 1290 🔗

Everyone should read Balloux’s thread on on the mink thing:

https://twitter.com/ballouxfrancois/status/1324085763026362370

Long story short it’s complete nonsense. Yes the virus mutates in minks but so what, it mutates in humans as well.

233795 ▶▶ Miss Owl, replying to Commander Jameson, 7, #33 of 1290 🔗

At the beginning of WW2, there was a massive cull of pets in Britain: three quarters of a million in the first week. I think the rationale behind that was that the government said we couldn’t feed them and the population. So there’s previous.

233855 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Miss Owl, 2, #34 of 1290 🔗

Rationale behind it was more sound.

234022 ▶▶▶ James Bertram, replying to Miss Owl, 2, #35 of 1290 🔗

Led to the setting up of the Ferne Animal Sanctuary in Devon.
Well worth a visit.

233831 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Commander Jameson, 11, #36 of 1290 🔗

I was talking about this to partner this morning as I saw in China they are killing dogs again. Didn’t read whole thing as too upsetting.
I think there are 2 things that come to mind quickly which would be a step too far for majority of Brits. 1 – stealing their savings (which will happen, but further along the line when it’s too late) and 2 – killing dogs and cats. I might be wrong but can’t see that being accepted.

234586 ▶▶▶ Monty Bodkin, replying to Jo, 3, #37 of 1290 🔗

If anyone come near my cats with malicious intent I really would kill. I mean that.

233840 ▶▶ Mrs S, replying to Commander Jameson, 15, #38 of 1290 🔗

There would be flaming barricades if anyone threatened to kill people’s pets.

People would literally sacrifice their grandma before their dog.

233844 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Mrs S, 8, #39 of 1290 🔗

What would Granma do to protect her moggie ?

233842 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Commander Jameson, 5, #40 of 1290 🔗

He was teetotal (Alcohol Concern will be delighted with lockdown) and a non smoker, I’m told in Spain it is now illegal to smoke in public since this means removing your face nappy.
Oh and he ruled on the basis of an Enabling Act voted through by almost all of the Reichstag except for the dead Communists.

233892 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to karenovirus, 4, #41 of 1290 🔗

An Enabling Act passed in 1933 and renewed in 1937 and 1941. Technically, the Weimar Republic lasted until 1945.

233505 Tee Ell, replying to Tee Ell, 6, #42 of 1290 🔗

50% accurate – sounds like money well spent.

233539 ▶▶ Simon, replying to Tee Ell, 5, #43 of 1290 🔗

So is a coin….

I can save money too by using a 10p one instead of £1……

233812 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Simon, 3, #44 of 1290 🔗

Yes exactly. 50% is the minimum accuracy for any test. A coin flip is 50% specific, 50% sensitive and 50% accurate. The buttercup test for whether you like butter is 100% sensitive, but 0% specific, and also 50% accurate.

What those guys actually found was that the test was 50% sensitive. They didn’t say what the specificity was and only the Guardian have seen their letter.

With prevalence so low specificity matters more than sensitivity anyway.

I think this is the test they’re talking about:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.30.20142935v4.full-text

See Table 6. Whoever was doing these tests appeared to be getting 81% specificity at 45Ct, 86% at 33 Ct and 100% at 25 Ct, but it’s a very small sample.

I’m going by the results in their table. The text doesn’t make any sense: “ When setting C T cut-offs of ≤33 and ≤25, the DSe increased to 75% and 100%, respectively “. How can sensitivity (DSe means “diagnostic sensitivity” I assume) increase when you lower the cycle threshold? Lowering Ct increases specificity and lowers sensitivity.

233542 ▶▶ Simon, replying to Tee Ell, 6, #45 of 1290 🔗

In stastistical terms it’s what we call random.

233742 ▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Simon, 6, #46 of 1290 🔗

If they just wanted something that returns random meaningless results I believe there’s a team at Imperial we could call on.

233784 ▶▶▶▶ Simon, replying to Tee Ell, 3, #47 of 1290 🔗

I’d go further and say their data is heavily skewed….

233638 ▶▶ Anthony, replying to Tee Ell, 3, #48 of 1290 🔗

Maybe they’re preparing the ground for there to be around 50% less cases than expected, not because the test isn’t sensitive enough but because 50% of cases by traditional PCR are false positives.

233798 ▶▶▶ Simon, replying to Anthony, 6, #49 of 1290 🔗

50% accuracy is totally random. It’s likely to be a different answer when you perform the test again. Toss a coin 100 times and you’ll get close to 50 of each heads or tails. It gets closer to 50 of each the more you do.

What you can get, as it’s totally random, is several of the same in a row as the probability within an individual event is equal for heads or tails. Over time this would distributre evenly.

Repeat tests for covid with as little accuracy as that would be known in industry as a random number generator..

233845 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Tee Ell, 2, #50 of 1290 🔗

Could have just tossed a coin! But the coin might have been contaminated!

233506 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 26, #51 of 1290 🔗

Why are these Tory criminals and their science scum still calling the shots !! Well done students of Manchester it is your future after all.

233553 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to nickbowes, 23, #52 of 1290 🔗

I’d caution against this being a Tory problem when Labour are equally to blame.

233622 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Leemc23, 5, #53 of 1290 🔗

The wretched Labour Party isn’t calling the shots, so save your scorn for the Tories who are actually driving the WEF agenda and of course philanthrocapitalist Bill Gates, who is up to his slimy neck in everything evil that is now happening. Money talks and Bill has a lot of money.

233681 ▶▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Rowan, 13, #54 of 1290 🔗

The Labour party are calling the shots in Wales, so you are talking nonsense.

233874 ▶▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #55 of 1290 🔗

Drakeford is a useless dope

233883 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #56 of 1290 🔗

Not so much the Party as the Supreme Soviet, headed by the Supreme Wrinkled Old Tortoise.

233867 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Rowan, 3, #57 of 1290 🔗

Ben Bradshaw (Lab Exeter) was last week slagging off the government for bringing in lockdown 2. when it would have been so much better to have a ‘2 week’ national circuit breaker earlier so ‘with a heavy heart’ voted for LD2 as too little, too late’.

233906 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Rowan, 1, #58 of 1290 🔗

Bill doesn’t have anywhere near as much money as governments of most countries, and the WEF does not either, so there is a logical flaw somewhere in that argument.

All politicians who have voted for or abstained (tacit acceptance) in lockdown votes are equally culpable. Ask Franz von Papen.

233900 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Leemc23, 5, #59 of 1290 🔗

They backed the lockdown, equally culpable.

233872 ▶▶ Adam, replying to nickbowes, 1, #60 of 1290 🔗

Labor wouldn’t be any better the LibLabConSNP are dead to me thank God for the SDP not Socialist not free marketeer either

233510 HawkAnalyst, replying to HawkAnalyst, 28, #61 of 1290 🔗

I said 3 weeks ago “Hang in there guys”
How wrong was I?

Madness continues but I notice people are ignoring the lockdown

233532 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to HawkAnalyst, 26, #62 of 1290 🔗

Yes – the last two days have perhaps been as busy, if not more so around here – people seem to be ignoring the lockdown – you wouldn’t know it was on except for the press/news. Only thing missing is those businesses that had to close.

233555 ▶▶▶ HawkAnalyst, replying to Ozzie, 41, #63 of 1290 🔗

My next door had a big and I mean big firework display
Grandkids
Great grandkids

Good on him

233560 ▶▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to HawkAnalyst, 17, #64 of 1290 🔗

The school across the road from me had their usual brilliant one on

233614 ▶▶▶▶▶ HawkAnalyst, replying to Dan Clarke, 21, #65 of 1290 🔗

People no longer believe the government

Wordclass Bullsh1t!

233879 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to HawkAnalyst, 7, #66 of 1290 🔗

Thank God there is a waking up and this rogue government may not last much longer

234327 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Ozzie, 2, #67 of 1290 🔗

Destruction of SMBs with the help of LD2 is the aim … make everyone dependent on the state.

233629 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to HawkAnalyst, 27, #68 of 1290 🔗

The main problem with the lockdown is that many of the things that make life worth living are now out of bounds. None of this is about a virus and it is now all about control and of course depopulation.

233659 ▶▶▶ HawkAnalyst, replying to Rowan, 8, #69 of 1290 🔗

People know the risks now.

The government has to reopen on the 2nd December otherwise they have no credit left with the population

233661 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Rowan, 8, #70 of 1290 🔗

Wonder how many billions ‘they’ want rid of, maybe it would be better to get rid of ‘them’

233939 ▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #71 of 1290 🔗

There is an interesting piece in the latest Nexus mag. maintaining that the world population will shrink after 2065 ,and there is a decline in fertility worldwide now.

233654 ▶▶ EllGee, replying to HawkAnalyst, 19, #72 of 1290 🔗

Out on the bike yesterday, went passed an industrial park. Last lockdown it was deserted for two weeks and then a few started to creep back. This time not one was closed.

233666 ▶▶▶ HawkAnalyst, replying to EllGee, 20, #73 of 1290 🔗

I went for a long walk yesterday.

Passed two industrial parks-both very busy
Roads – busy
Parks – busy

Lockdown in name only

Goverment are wasting money

233875 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to EllGee, 4, #74 of 1290 🔗

Same here, the working bloke trading estate was exactly the same as usual Thursday and Friday, except that the transport cafe is closed.

234230 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to EllGee, 4, #75 of 1290 🔗

Long walk yesterday along Notting Hill- Portobello Road area finishing off a Kensington High Street.

Not as deserted as it was during first lockdown as fresh produce market was trading as normal while supermarkets, cafes & restaurants open.

Roads and underground was fairly busy especially by around 4 when kids finishing school.

233724 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to HawkAnalyst, 11, #76 of 1290 🔗

Fuck That I sell same stuff as B&Q so have opened as normal not took a penny but hay ho.

234168 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jaguarpig, 6, #77 of 1290 🔗

Good for you and good luck!

234198 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to HawkAnalyst, 5, #78 of 1290 🔗

I think more and more people are realising that they’ve been had. And despite furlough being extended, there is the growing awakening that their financial futures and in doubt.

233511 Hampshire Sceptic, replying to Hampshire Sceptic, 93, #79 of 1290 🔗

I have just been sent this quote which apparently is from a Polish author:

“The vaccine should be tested on politicians first. If they survive, the vaccine is safe. If they don’t, then the country is safe.”

233551 ▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to Hampshire Sceptic, 28, #80 of 1290 🔗

They won’t try it first. Even if Boris goes on TV having the jab it will be full of lolly water. He wouldn’t take the risk.

233786 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Hampshire Sceptic, 13, #81 of 1290 🔗

Politicians and their families first, civil and public service second. Ony then, the rest of society.

233514 Mutineer, replying to Mutineer, 19, #82 of 1290 🔗

I cannot believe I have reached my great age (don’t ask!) and now, only now, I have been censored on Facebook. For no reason that I can decipher I cannot put any link on my status, I cannot post on any group and I cannot share any link to a friend’s status. 7 days of being silenced. This is blatant censorship. I have the power to ‘appeal’ but how can I appeal a decision they won’t even explain? My view is that ‘they’ want to stop us sharing the truth. I post links that are freely available on the internet so I am not doing anything remotely illegal. All I am doing is trying, desperately, to do is get the truth out there. After 7 days how can I ‘avoid doing it again’ when I don’t know what I did? This is happening to many Facebook users. 2020 and censorship is rife. It’s their version of the ‘truth’ or they gag you.

233556 ▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to Mutineer, 6, #83 of 1290 🔗

Facebook and Twitter banned a whole lot of people over the US election period.

233558 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Mutineer, 7, #84 of 1290 🔗

When they hire people like Clegg, you know its bad. I remember him being shown on tv, a video of himself telling lies and he still wouldn’t believe it. These people have no shame or morals.

233573 ▶▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Dan Clarke, 6, #85 of 1290 🔗

Thanks for that. I actually didn’t know about Clegg. I am horrified that links freely available are censored for no reason, whatsoever. Facebook seems intent on slowing down the sharing of the truth.

233727 ▶▶ Lydia, replying to Mutineer, 5, #86 of 1290 🔗

My husband regularly gets a ban on Facebook for what he posts, for 30 days sometimes. He’s currently half way through his latest 30 day ban.

233760 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Lydia, 12, #87 of 1290 🔗

Snap, plus banded for life from twitter for saying Greta should have her arse smacked and be sent to bed with no tea.

233885 ▶▶ Adam, replying to Mutineer, 5, #88 of 1290 🔗

Someone needs to create a new network where political thought is allowed twitter facebook etc need bringing down

233964 ▶▶▶ masker of puppets, replying to Adam, 4, #89 of 1290 🔗

There is – it’s called gab.com

234174 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to masker of puppets, 1, #90 of 1290 🔗

That’s great but we’d presumably be preaching to the converted.

234427 ▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Mutineer, #91 of 1290 🔗

That is sinister, but Facebook algorithms mean anything you post isn’t even guaranteed to be seen by anyone anyway even if it were what they deem ‘allowed’.

233515 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 35, #92 of 1290 🔗

Ms Towey is advocating committing criminal offences of assault against children

She should be reported to the police and social services and a criminal investigation commenced

Whatever the result of the investigation there are good grounds for placing her on the barring list which would prevent her ever working with children again

The army in schools, whatever next?

233530 ▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to Cecil B, 28, #93 of 1290 🔗

Ms Towey should also be reported to the grammar police for crimes against the English language.

233597 ▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to Cecil B, 4, #94 of 1290 🔗

Does this school have a sixth form? If so, even in November, there will be students who are 18 and, therefore, have the right to refuse this test on their own behalf. I wonder what would happen to them if they did – exclusion and further destruction of their education, presumably.
If students are over 18, their parents would not have the right to refuse on their behalf or even represent them, so they will be in the same position as the imprisoned university students – comply with illegal demands and restrictions or lose your education.

233894 ▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Caroline Watson, 2, #95 of 1290 🔗

Lots of students are quite opinionated I can’t see them putting up with this stuff

233616 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Cecil B, 9, #96 of 1290 🔗

It will be interesting to see how many parents keep their kids off school the day the army come..
Although it wouldn’t surprise me at all if the school didn’t change the day at the last minute, to catch parents out…

233656 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Cecil B, 9, #97 of 1290 🔗

There is potentially a major child protection issue here – the letter doesn’t make it clear how the school will ensure child protection guidelines are to be followed with the presence (of what seems) a large number of army personnel. Some army personnel that I have come across (via CCF) you don’t want near kids (mainly what they say and how they say it rather than anything more nefarious).

234405 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Ozzie, 2, #98 of 1290 🔗

That letter, Tobes, is a spoof if ever I saw one. It looks to me as if some enterprising fifth-former at the school is a fair bit more IT- savvy than are the staff who are paid to teach the subject.

234434 ▶▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Ozzie, 1, #99 of 1290 🔗

Yep, pretty sure any squaddie would need an enhanced DBS check which takes a week or two to process even in normal times. Hopefully the bureaucracy can be used against them!

233674 ▶▶ Jon W, replying to Cecil B, 10, #100 of 1290 🔗

Looking at the OFSTED report, Broadgreen International School is rated as inadequate. Their actions, and the standard of the letter to parents, therefore come as no surprise.

233518 Commander Jameson, replying to Commander Jameson, 19, #101 of 1290 🔗

It goes without saying that fines should not be paid until the entire procedure is exhausted. People are unnecesarily terrified of courts and easily bounced into paying “fines” even those sent out by parking companies, cleverly designed to make them look very “official”.

The worst case is that you do get ordered by the court to pay the fine and have some legal costs on top. The best case is that the courts get totally clogged up with thousands of these cases.

Analagous to the (overblown) risk of covid causing demand on the NHS to exceed capacity, so could widespread refusal to co-operate with the fines unless and until convicted result in completely overloading enforcement of covid restrictions.

233581 ▶▶ Commander Jameson, replying to Commander Jameson, 7, #102 of 1290 🔗

If you do get to court, fillibuster. Leave responses to the very last minute. Send them by obscure means, perhaps to the wrong fax number at the right court, then object to a judgement (by a different inconvenient but technically legal means) because the court has ignored your latest correspondence and insist the procedure starts all over again.

Introduce large numbers of specious arguments Call witnesses who are irrelevant (but not obviously so because they will be refused). Your Great Aunt in South Africa is ideal because it will be months before she can come and testify, if she can at all, but she was conveniently on the phone with you at the time of the alleged offence, so you say. “Fire” your lawyer halfway through an oral hearing and take your time finding another one.

The CIA sabotage field manual dating from the second world war is full of ideas as to how the powerless who don’t want to man the barricades can fight back against this tyranny.

https://gist.github.com/kennwhite/467529962c184258d08f16daec83d5da

233520 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #103 of 1290 🔗

Good reading on here:

https://osr.statisticsauthority.gov.uk

On the front page the correspondence between Ed Humpherson and Patrick Vallance.

233559 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #104 of 1290 🔗

The only benefit from that correspondence is that we all now have access to how to contact Vallance. Lovely stuff.

233521 Peter Thompson, replying to Peter Thompson, 42, #105 of 1290 🔗

I dropped A level maths and entered medical school with Physics, Chemistry and Biology . The world of mathematical modelers populated by SAGE is alien to me ; I prefer empirical evidence.

So some evidence based medicine from my ” front line ” . The number of patients being seen with respiratory infections this week is very small after a little rise four weeks ago . Similar numbers as would be seen in June or July.

The number of people phoning up the surgery halved on Thursday and Friday. It is like March ; groundhog day . I got away at 6 pm . I do see face to face patients all afternoon and continue to do so. I had unfilled spaces yesterday afternoon. It seems a lot of people think lockdown actually means don’t bother the health service. I assure you we are not busy.

After doing some research , ie asking my patients who have tested PCR covid pos in the last 2 weeks I have found out that all are either hospital or care home workers, their spouses or in patients.

233531 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Peter Thompson, 15, #106 of 1290 🔗

I teach A Level maths so shame on you Peter haha. Seriously though you are quite right about mathematical modelling….it is always dubious and is behind most of the hysterical nonsense of recent years such as lockdown and ‘climate emergency’ etc. All modelling including econometric models rely on the validity of the often invisible assumptions. These assumptions are usually made to support the desired outcomes….it is really a form of corruption on a massive scale.

233554 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Borisbullshit, 6, #107 of 1290 🔗

But Sir Patrick Vallance, the government’s most senior scientific advisor, said: “The modelling, that’s the data we are looking at.” And as everyone knows data are facts, and one cannot argue with facts.

233580 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Steve Hayes, 18, #108 of 1290 🔗

Once modelling is seen as ‘data’ we are in an age of unreason.

233601 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Borisbullshit, 6, #109 of 1290 🔗

Listening to government ministers and their scientific advisors on this reminds me of nothing so much as Humpty Dumpty telling Alice that when he uses a word it means whatever he wants it to mean, nothing more or less.

When I use a word ,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean —neither more nor less.” “The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.” “The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty , “which is to be master—that’s all.

233594 ▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Borisbullshit, -2, #110 of 1290 🔗

I really hope you are not going to teach your A-level students that mathematical modelling is “always dubious”, but rather, to teach them to understand how it works and how it should and should not be used. For a student’s view, take a look at https://ima.org.uk/14541/mathematical-modelling/

233722 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Richard Pinch, 15, #111 of 1290 🔗

Dont get clever with me Richard you know perfectly well what I meant. When modelling becomes the reason for some major public policy and becomes the god by which society is run there will always be problems. I am not saying it cannot be of any use but when it takes over decision making it causes many to cease thinking.

234307 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Borisbullshit, -2, #112 of 1290 🔗

I can only infer what you mean from what you say. When you said “always dubious”, I took you to mean what you said. Even in public policy making it is possible for models to be both useful and used well.

234431 ▶▶▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to Borisbullshit, -1, #113 of 1290 🔗

You do know that the Treasury have been running models for far longer than the Department of Health? Models are always interpretted in the context of observations.

233609 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Borisbullshit, 2, #114 of 1290 🔗

It’s only corrupt if it’s applied without the necessary validation and verification. Climate science is fine as a field where hypothetical scenarios are played out. There’s a lot of theoretical physics and maths fields that do just that.

It’s the application not the substance that is the issue.

233726 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to mhcp, 5, #115 of 1290 🔗

Its not fine though if we are taken back to the stone age on the base of it. Mind you thats what happening with Covid too.

233848 ▶▶▶ Ron Zelius, replying to Borisbullshit, 2, #116 of 1290 🔗

Or as is said “decision-based evidence making”

233536 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Peter Thompson, 7, #117 of 1290 🔗

Is it a bit like creative accountancy?

233600 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Peter Thompson, #118 of 1290 🔗

If you don’t mind answering, do you work in a village, town or city, Peter? Also, North/South?

233636 ▶▶▶ Peter Thompson, replying to Tom Blackburn, 10, #119 of 1290 🔗

Sorry I have been very careful to not give any identifying evidence since day 1 as I am fully aware of doctors who have been sacked for being open. I might be male or female who knows. I can assure you I am a registered doctor..

233642 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Peter Thompson, 1, #120 of 1290 🔗

No problem, I understand.

233643 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Peter Thompson, 7, #121 of 1290 🔗

male or female..? what about all the other genders? are you ruling those out? you will have the LBGT XYZ zealots after you for being so discriminatory!!!

233729 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Peter Thompson, 7, #122 of 1290 🔗

Blimey isn’t the NHS great! Just another organisation in which it is not allowed for you to have an opinion.

234426 ▶▶ djaustin, replying to Peter Thompson, -2, #123 of 1290 🔗

The plural of anecdote is not data. Whilst some areas may have relatively low levels, others do not. Nationally there is a rising epidemic of patients being subjected to ventilation that is at odds with typical years. There is much empirical evidence, but looking locally is not going to see the picture.

234753 ▶▶▶ Commander Jameson, replying to djaustin, #124 of 1290 🔗

Daren Austin, OBE for “Services to the Corona”, mathematician pretending to practice medicine, and GSK-Ferguson link-man, comes to the aid of his Imperial buddies again.

233522 calchas, replying to calchas, 11, #125 of 1290 🔗

“Operation Moonshine: New Rapid Test Misses More Than Half of Infections”
Infections?

What infections?

The epidemic is over. insofar as it ever existed.

233552 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to calchas, 2, #126 of 1290 🔗

That’s the FUN part! Two Winter seasons into this FRAUD and the Billionaire controlled WHO still has the sign “PANDEMIC” on…

Clearly they need it to justifying the deployment of the new TOOL for command & control of the Herd of moron slaves.

And it is working very well for Them.

233660 ▶▶ Van Allen, replying to calchas, 5, #127 of 1290 🔗

I am somewhat baffled by the first article which seems to give credence to the discredited pcr test. So 50% of the positive pcr tests didn’t show positive on the new test? What amount of amplification was used for the pcr test? Is it possible that 50% (or more) were false positives?

234191 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Van Allen, #128 of 1290 🔗

Those were my thoughts when I read it.

233525 Eddy, replying to Eddy, 15, #129 of 1290 🔗

Lots of people going about their business as usual this morning in town. Nice to see. Have a wonderful day wherever you are.

233548 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Eddy, 4, #130 of 1290 🔗

Where I live most slaves (>95%) are wearing a muzzle outdoors… Good slaves!

233527 dpj, replying to dpj, 5, #131 of 1290 🔗

Does anyone know of any churches in England that are intending to have a service tomorrow? I’ve mentioned this on here before as there have been a lot of church officials complaining publicly and it would be nice to think that at least one would follow their words with action.
As far as I understand part of Simon Dolan’s court case was that it was outwith government’s powers to close churches and the first judge threw out everything else but agreed with that part but no further action was taken as they had just allowed them to reopen at that point. If this is right then surely any church official consulting with a lawyer will be told that they can stay open and refuse them entry if any police turn up?

233540 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to dpj, 2, #132 of 1290 🔗

https://www.achurchnearyou.com/ I’m going to have a look here. From what I understand there is a loophole that if a service is being streamed you can have a congregation. It might be worth contacting said services to see if this possible

233613 ▶▶ davews, replying to dpj, 1, #133 of 1290 🔗

Ours is following the rules and our previous planned remebrance day service will be via Zoom. We have all been asked to put a cross, bible and poppies on a table which looks as near as we are getting to any celebration of the day. Under the rules they could choose to live stream it from church and I could attend ‘for private prayer’.

233896 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to davews, 4, #134 of 1290 🔗

A truly wonderful way to honour those who died for our freedom.
Excuse me while I puke

233869 ▶▶ Cedric the dragon, replying to dpj, 2, #135 of 1290 🔗

In Wales we are allowed to gather at a war memorial or cenotaph,as long as there are only 30 or fewer, so we will.
Can Acts of Remembrance take place at War Memorials or Cenotaphs? Acts of Remembrance that are outdoors at War Memorials or Cenotaphs are permitted to take place on 7 or 8 November. Indoor services are not permitted.
Up to a maximum of 30 individuals, including event organisers, are permitted to gather outdoors and can take part in an Act of Remembrance. Those who organise an event will have a duty of care to those attending to make it as safe as possible and uphold guidance around physical distancing and hygiene.

234194 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cedric the dragon, 2, #136 of 1290 🔗

So what if more than 30 rock up? A lottery for who stays??

233891 ▶▶ Mrs S, replying to dpj, 2, #137 of 1290 🔗

It’s under judicial review. Not sure how long that takes but no church will open without approval from church authorites.

233533 Eddy, replying to Eddy, 24, #138 of 1290 🔗

Democrats 2020: We have the most robust election voting system in the world.

Democrats 2016,17,18,19 The nasty Russians rigged the election.

233564 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Eddy, 2, #139 of 1290 🔗

And those pesky Russians rigged the election by placing some an infinitesimally tiny amount of click bait on the Internet.

233586 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Eddy, 12, #140 of 1290 🔗

Losers’ consent died in 2016, and those who now support Biden killed it.

If Trump has evidence of fraud he should fight this to the death.

233603 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Ovis, 2, #141 of 1290 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEsjv9vKCGc Watch from 33 minutes in to see votes being manipulated *on screen*, in front of people’s eyes!

233650 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Carrie, 2, #142 of 1290 🔗

thats the second time you have falsely linked to a 9/11 conspiracy video. either get the right link (which i would like to see) or stop peddling shite

233909 ▶▶ Adam, replying to Eddy, 4, #143 of 1290 🔗

I am no fan of Trump but the Democrats are undeserving of winning the presidency, I don’t mean Biden Pelosi Schumer Schiff are dreadful the Labor party is similar in arrogance

234207 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Adam, 4, #144 of 1290 🔗

Winning by cheating is hardly a win.
The Undemocrats have spelled out all long what they intended. Add to that their shameless exploitation of a frail old man who’s lost his marbles and I wonder what kind of weirdo would vote for them – other than to keep out Trump.
On the other hand it was to keep out Hillary that Trump got in.
“Democratic” elections. No such thing!

233534 Dan Clarke, 6, #145 of 1290 🔗

Operation Bull**** more like, anything to drag this fraud out as long as possible. When are the legal eagles going to put a stop to it.

233537 Simon, replying to Simon, 24, #146 of 1290 🔗

I was thinking about the Simon Dolan court case. Seeing as they have delayed it and we are still awaiting the findings of the three judges, haven’t we now turned a corner?

Due to the government admission of the dodgy data, this will throw doubt on the data and highlight their misuse of power. granting ultra vires power from the health act due to a now largely non existent virus. it was downgraded by the government in March to flu like risk, so i think the government has shot themselves in the foot, very publicly.

To find in favour with the government now will show that the courts are bent, so surely the only logical choice is to find in favour of Simon Dolan.

Even better, trust in the government must now totally evaporate. The MSM reporting that tests don’t work, testing centres are empty and the goverment admitting their lies.

233599 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Simon, 4, #147 of 1290 🔗

I’m wondering whether the judges have been informed of Michael O’Bernicia’s case, and are considering their options…???

233861 ▶▶▶ Simon, replying to Carrie, 2, #148 of 1290 🔗

That is really interesting, I have been following that, I don’t understand the implications of common law. My father a retired solicitor, who hasn’t subscribed to full scepticism, but doesn’t seem to agree with the government, explined that the elements of the law are pretty ancient. He’d have to do some pretty serious reading to explain it to me, but I have found the case fascinating.

I also that Michael is correct, even if he is only half right, the powers that be much be shitting themselves.

Again, remember the sheep thing, where one goes others follow. So into lockdown it only took one to go in for others to follow. Watch what happens when someone decides to publish the truth and rip up the mask…… I’m an optimist…

234220 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Simon, #149 of 1290 🔗

Watch this:

The Dissident’s Guide to the Consitution
Episode 2 now available too:
https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/dissidents-guide-constitution-episode-1

233639 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Simon, 2, #150 of 1290 🔗

I think the problem here is that the judges can’t take recent events into account as they were not presented as evidence. I have been wondering how they can reach a verdict given events of the last couple of days.

233866 ▶▶▶ Simon, replying to Ozzie, 1, #151 of 1290 🔗

I believe it would just show how much doubt there must be on all earlier evidence from the government. It should kind of cement it.

233924 ▶▶ Adam, replying to Simon, 1, #152 of 1290 🔗

We as Britons have the Human rights act and UN convention’s to turn to

234223 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Adam, 1, #153 of 1290 🔗

For now!

233541 Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, -2, #154 of 1290 🔗

DO NOT WORRY!

Degenerate and scum salves at MIT have come up with this lovely APP for you morons to use on your REAL brains – aka smartphones –

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The best and funniest part is that the algo was calibrated using the PCR results!

WAIT FOR IT…

233543 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, -7, #155 of 1290 🔗

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This will be a MANDATORY APP, it will be installed remotely.

Don’t forget to remove the muzzle while coughing!

233546 ▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Voz 0db, 2, #156 of 1290 🔗

how will it be mandatory? what is the source for this?

233562 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Anothersceptic2, -4, #157 of 1290 🔗

The source for the NEW TOOL is this

The source for the MANDATORY part is… Look around! Most stuff is now mandatory. And that new tool (app) is too goddamn good to go to waste.

233582 ▶▶▶▶ Sylvie, replying to Anothersceptic2, 1, #158 of 1290 🔗

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-54780460
BBC had it a couple of days ago. Hasn’t yet been developed into an app, won’t be, never will be mandatory, just another fun thing like the dogs who are being trained to detect the smell of covid….

233972 ▶▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Sylvie, 1, #159 of 1290 🔗

Here is the actual paper:

https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?tp=&arnumber=9208795

It’s complete nonsense of course. If you look at Table 1, you can see that most of the reference negatives had no symptoms of anything.

So basically the AI can tell between a real cough and a fake cough. Gosh. So can I.

There’s some amusing schientific drivel in there:

Biomarker 3 (Sentiment):

Studies [14] show a cognitive decline in COVID-19 patients
and clinical evidence supports the importance of sentiments in
the early-diagnosis of neurodegenerative decline [19, 30].
Different clinical settings emphasize different sentiments, such
as doubt [31] or frustration [31] as possible neurodegenerative
indicators. To obtain a biomarker that detects this decline, we
trained a Sentiment Speech classifier model to learn sentiment
features on the RAVDESS speech dataset [32], which includes
actors intonating in 8 emotional states: neutral, calm, happy,
sad, angry, fearful, disgust, and surprised. A ResNet50 [28] was
trained on 3 second samples for categorical classification of the
8 intonations with input shape (300, 200) from MFCC which
achieved 71% validation accuracy.

They’re basically saying that Covid makes you unhappy and this is reflected in the sound of your cough.

How did they ingeniously incorporate these sentiments into the algorithm?

There’s a good summary of the methodology here:

https://xkcd.com/1838/

233982 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Voz 0db, #160 of 1290 🔗

ha ha

233550 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Voz 0db, 1, #161 of 1290 🔗

Who’s the moron?

233563 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Julian, 1, #162 of 1290 🔗

Everyone still using “smartphones”!

233583 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Voz 0db, 6, #163 of 1290 🔗

I have never used them….give me an old Nokia anyday for text and call. Battery lasts all week too!

233612 ▶▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Borisbullshit, 1, #164 of 1290 🔗

Me neither… And I’m in tech stuff since the early 80’s!

233635 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Borisbullshit, 3, #165 of 1290 🔗

Same here – Nokia C2 still going strong – battery lasts all week!

233808 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TT, replying to Ozzie, 2, #166 of 1290 🔗

Happy to hear there’s another C2 fan out there! Had it for 10+ years now and it’s still going strong, no need for anything fancier.

233593 ▶▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Voz 0db, 7, #167 of 1290 🔗

A smartphone is a tool. It can be used to improve our lives and help hold our governments to account or it can be used to destroy and control our lives.

We are not going to ‘win’ this by abandoning the tools at our disposal rather then address our ignorance as to how to use them effectively for our benefit.

233607 ▶▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Saved To Death, -11, #168 of 1290 🔗

Usual brainless slave talk! Keep on…

233748 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Voz 0db, 1, #169 of 1290 🔗

Ad hominem attacks are usually a sign you think your argument is weak

233890 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Julian, -3, #170 of 1290 🔗

Your believe that a fact is an attack says it all.

233745 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Voz 0db, 1, #171 of 1290 🔗

OK, how do you work that one out?

233959 ▶▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Julian, -3, #172 of 1290 🔗

I don’t need to work anything out…

233547 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 3, #173 of 1290 🔗

While the Department of Health accepted the Manchester study’s findings, it claimed other trials of the Lamp test had shown it to be between 80 and 96% accurate.

These rapid tests were evaluated using pneumonia patients therefore the 80% + rate. If not pneumonia patients then the accuracy rate plummets.

233569 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Victoria, 2, #174 of 1290 🔗

BUT BUT… “COVID-19” is a NEW DISEASE … not old pneumonia!!

233620 ▶▶ davews, replying to Victoria, 1, #175 of 1290 🔗

The charts I saw last week suggested the window for picking up pre-symptomatic people was very narrow, a day or two at most before they develop symptoms.

233565 calchas, replying to calchas, 2, #176 of 1290 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKHTZZMRcFk&feature=emb_logo

Franz Ruppert – German psychologist on psychological impact of the ‘pandemic’

40 Minutes

233571 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to calchas, -13, #177 of 1290 🔗

There is no impact… Just RELAX and SLAVE on!

234532 ▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to Voz 0db, 1, #178 of 1290 🔗

Do shut up.

234609 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to stevie119, #179 of 1290 🔗

Don’t get upset with me fellow slave… focus your little upset on the jesters!

233566 karenovirus, 14, #180 of 1290 🔗

Littlejohn at the Mail has picked up on the healthcare assistant in Toby’s piece yesterday whistleblowing the tiny amount of covid activity at Risky Treliske hospital in Truro.
Not so many comments yet but I have never seen so overwhelmingly sceptic response.
Just two ‘worst comments’ both ill written two liners downvoted 100-1.

233570 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 4, #181 of 1290 🔗

This from someone who knows about the virus. Even without the minks there are already mutated virus around throwing a spanner in the wheel for the vaccine manufacturers.

https://twitter.com/BallouxFrancois


“Interesting preprint describing the evasion from antibody-mediated immunity through a single, fairly common mutation in the Spike protein without noticeable viral fitness decrease or symptom reduction (and no minks involved).

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.11.04.355842v1

This raises the spectre of immune evasion similar to the ‘antigenic drift’ in influenza. This would considerably complicate effective vaccination and deepens concerns about the focus on recombinant/mRNA vaccines solely targeting the Spike protein.

 “Most ‘hight-tech’ vaccines tend to focus on eliciting narrow antibody responses. T-cell response works best against the whole viral diversity. This raises the question whether there should not be more efforts towards ‘traditional’ vaccines (i.e. attenuated/inactivated).

233903 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to swedenborg, -4, #182 of 1290 🔗

Stop referring to this RNA as “virus”! There is no scientific evidence that this RNA is an infectious viral particle.

234236 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to swedenborg, 1, #183 of 1290 🔗

Surely you have to start with an actual virus to attenuate. The jury seems to be out on whether a specific one actually exists.
Besides, this isn’t about the virus.

233572 calchas, replying to calchas, 6, #184 of 1290 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSAlLGwNhu4

A look at the Million Mask March in London 5th November – 7 Minutes

233624 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to calchas, 8, #185 of 1290 🔗

Great video – especially the woman who had six police telling her to go home. She was clued up to tell them that she was not breaking any law. Interesting that the police speaking all had non-UK accents.

233626 ▶▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 1, #186 of 1290 🔗

Also, not sure what to make of the chap in a military police beret who seemed to be part of the march.

233933 ▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Ozzie, 3, #187 of 1290 🔗

Foreign police is treason remove Johnson Hancock Gove Patel and Jenrick now

234435 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Ozzie, #188 of 1290 🔗

Non-UK accents? Israelis? We should not consent to be policed by anyone who has not been resident in this country for more than five years and who is not a British citizen.

233574 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 10, #189 of 1290 🔗

This is almost farcical. The mask fanatics thought they had a good paper on the effectiveness of masks but Mother Nature cheated them!

 https://twitter.com/DrEliDavid/status/1324799371347722241

“Decrease in Hospitalizations for COVID-19 after Mask Mandates in 1083 U.S. Counties” Really? Well, no: “The authors have withdrawn this manuscript because there are increased rates of SARS-CoV-2 cases in the areas that we originally analyzed in this study”

233589 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to swedenborg, 3, #190 of 1290 🔗

Probably a similar result in the Danish study….

233715 ▶▶ Cedric the dragon, replying to swedenborg, 2, #191 of 1290 🔗

In the UK, the mandatory mask wearing was introduced in late July in England and in August in Wales, not sure when in Scotland and positive tests began to rise. I know correlation doesn’t prove causation but it certainly didn’t seem to help!

233575 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 17, #192 of 1290 🔗

As my local council leader hasn’t contacted me with a rebuttal to my letter 3 weeks ago just sent him et al this, the attachments are:

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/charter/pdf/text_en.pdf

https://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/

https://legal.un.org/ilc/texts/instruments/english/draft_articles/7_1_1950.pdf

Sirs,

It has been 3 weeks now since I sent my e-mail to you and in it I said:

if you do decide to answer me, please do not insult my intelligence by using the phrase “just following guidance” or some such nonsense but include facts and scientific data that actually supports your position

As there has been no reply from any of you nor a request for my sources of information, the FOIs and so on then all I can do is come to the following conclusions:

  1. You have no scientific evidence to support or justify any of the actions that either the Councils or central Government are taking and that are now starting to fall under the definition of Crimes against Humanity and breaching both the UN and European Charters of Human Rights..
  2. You have no interest in the scientific evidence.
  3. You have no interest in challenging the official narrative.
  4. You will be attempting to use the defence “I was just following orders” to justify your position – not a valid defence, Nuremberg Principle IV.
  5. You are willing participants in the unjustified and warranted imprisonment of the population a 2nd time and the continuing economic and social destruction of this country based on, what is now being widely reported in the mainstream media (who are slowly catching up with independent sources), the use of what can be politely called “deliberate use of unsubstantiated, incorrect, and assumed data”. Even the OSR has taken the Government advisors to task on what data was presented and on the way it was presented.

I have attached some documents for you to peruse that relate to Point 1 above.

Articles 3, 5, 9, 12, 13, 18, 19, 20.1, 23.1, 25.1, 27 and 30 in the UN Declaration of Human Rights are all being trampled upon.

In addition to the above Articles 3, 4, 8, 16, 25, 26 and 41 in the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union are all being trampled upon.”

Wonder if this will get a response?

233670 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #193 of 1290 🔗

Excellent. 👍

233578 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 12, #194 of 1290 🔗

Re link to Ripped Gym (Harlow) staying open. The owner was apparently arrested on Thursday, detained over night and due to be on video link call on MONDAY !

That’s some swift injustice. For a court system under “so much pressure”.

233937 ▶▶ Adam, replying to Leemc23, 1, #195 of 1290 🔗

If we had a written constitution we could reign in Government and police

233579 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 3, #196 of 1290 🔗

Interesting thread again about the missing intermediary of Sars-Cov2.Contrast this how much we know now of C-19 jumping from humans to animals, tigers, minks and then back again. But the Chinese has not found the original intermediary for the human C-19.

https://twitter.com/Ayjchan/status/1324791547355955200

“The situation is actually reversed. For SARS1, it took years to confirm bats as the reservoir (intermediate hosts were found within weeks-months). But for SARS2, we already knew from the beginning that bats in Yunnan are the reservoir, but the intermediates are still missing.”.

233591 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to swedenborg, 4, #197 of 1290 🔗

The mink story is rubbish. Ignore it. We have confirmed cases of Cats with Covid – we are not killing cats (yet)

We had the same bullshit stories coming out of Holland in the summer. Although I don’t remember a nice flat figure of 200 infections being reported.

233633 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to swedenborg, #198 of 1290 🔗

There was some talk of pangolins being the intermediate. Has that now been ruled out?

233705 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Tenchy, 1, #199 of 1290 🔗

Dr Chan is very well researched in this matter and she states that an intermediate host has not been found although earlier, pangolins were suspected but never proved.

233584 SilentP, replying to SilentP, #200 of 1290 🔗

Any interest in my post on the forum about an effective petition?

233596 ▶▶ SilentP, replying to SilentP, #201 of 1290 🔗

This is what it said:

What type of petition could actually be effective?
Post 07 Nov 2020 09:55

This is not an area of expertise for me, but having signed a petition intended to prevent lockdown 2, I was very disappointed to see the low number of signatories

So, could there be any mileage in some of these ideas?

Suggested objective

To ensure that an appropriate debate takes place in advance of decisions being made at the end of this lockdown

How could it be effective?

Word it in such a way that it sounds reasonable and worthwhile to those who are not already sceptics – and actually appeals to them and in no way antagonises them

Be specific enough to ensure that the right spectrum of views are heard in the debate. Perhaps naming specific organisations to be represented

Say how the debate should take place, what will be the output from it and who will be responsible for conducting the debate and producing the output

Specify that the output will be considered in a parliamentary debate

Determine how to best publicise the existence of the petition

233736 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to SilentP, #202 of 1290 🔗

Sounds a bit like the “5 reasonable demands” being made by Recovery https://timeforrecovery.org/#reasons

233587 Leemc23, 8, #203 of 1290 🔗

The BCG TB vaccine is 70-80% effective for the bacterial form of TB but less so for the respiratory form of TB.

So in theory, having had the BCG I remain quite at “risk” for TB.

SARS-Covid vaccine is likely to reduce symptoms – which I would likely not have – and will not impact on mortality rates in any sense.

So should I not be shitting my pants about TB every day ? Especially so when I see the amount of people who have a tendency to spit on the streets ?

What am I missing. ?

233588 captainbeefheart, 1, #204 of 1290 🔗

Looks like it will be easy to buy mink-skin face masks in Denmark this Christmas.

233590 Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 1, #205 of 1290 🔗

Just took a look at the Guardian article that Will Jones recommended (above the line). There doesn’t seem to be any place for comments – I thought all Guardian articles allowed comments?

233627 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Ozzie, 5, #206 of 1290 🔗

No. The opposite. Most Guardian articles don’t permit comments, and if they are allowed they are heavily moderated. Any comment not adhering to the propaganda being pushed in the article is invariably deleted. This is especially so when the article has a political correctness angle.

233669 ▶▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Tenchy, 3, #207 of 1290 🔗

Thanks Trenchy – the only other article I looked at (last week) I was able to comment on.

233940 ▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Tenchy, 1, #208 of 1290 🔗

Who still reads the guardian or any newspaper I haven’t for years avoid the BBC and SKY

233756 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Ozzie, 2, #209 of 1290 🔗

Good god, no! The Groan is heavily censored – both at that stage and at the stage of editing comments.

234253 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ozzie, 1, #210 of 1290 🔗

No. Only the “Opinion” pieces – and that might have stopped since I stopped reading them months ago.

233602 Voz 0db, 6, #211 of 1290 🔗

That letter from that school is awesome. Sounds just like something Mr. Joseph Goebbels would have said.

About the

“Hospital Admissions with COVID-19 in England Flat For 10 Days”

Since when FACTS or actual numbers matters?!

All that matters is the PROPHECY…

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233605 Richard G Brooke, replying to Richard G Brooke, 12, #212 of 1290 🔗

Did you read the bit about the army barcoding children at Broadgreen school?
It sounds like tatooing prisoners in Auschwitz.

233625 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Richard G Brooke, 5, #213 of 1290 🔗

Funny how a few years ago when the trains of migrants were heading into Hungary, the Hungarians set up a triage centre to rapidly process people. They ended up writing numbers on their arms with a marker pen just to get some idea of who’s who.

And what did some in the liberal media accuse them off?

234114 ▶▶ kf99, replying to Richard G Brooke, #214 of 1290 🔗

And the bizarre school “logo” with all those foreign characters. How weird and sinister

234260 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to kf99, 3, #215 of 1290 🔗

The logo is just pretentious bollox to signal their internationalness.

234806 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Richard G Brooke, #216 of 1290 🔗

Scousechwitz …

233606 Jay Berger, replying to Jay Berger, 3, #217 of 1290 🔗

There is a new article on the doctor in Sweden’s site about the false positive and specificity problems of the PCR tests.
https://sebastianrushworth.com/
A few readers comment on the various numbers of cycles used around the world: Fauci: over 35 is Meaningless, UK:37-41 used, Germany 45 used, at least originally, NFL: using 30 and as such: no/very few cases and, most interestingly: Australia using only 24 cycles-no wonder they are Covid-free, at that CT number, the whole world would be Covid-free!

233619 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Jay Berger, 1, #218 of 1290 🔗

There are NO PROBLEMS with PCR (by the way PCR is not a test! )

The only “problem” is that the scoundrels started this entire OPERATION not controlling the CRITERIA… But since I’m talking to the Wind, never mind!

233672 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Voz 0db, 4, #219 of 1290 🔗

You are right! There really is no point in continuing to communicate with we moron slaves at LS. Please don’t feel that you need to waste any more of your tine.

233746 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #220 of 1290 🔗

All Charlie Blue is saying is a repeat of Kary Mullis’s very clear point – that PCR simply shows what it shows (and that is heavily dependent on the Ct number). It’s the interpretation of what’s shown that is the problem, not the process itself – e.g. what are the odds that you have identified an irrelevant RNA fragment as opposed to an infectious viral load?

As said – it is not a diagnostic test, and shouldn’t be used as such

234037 ▶▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to RickH, #221 of 1290 🔗

Little Charlie did not said that!

233886 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Charlie Blue, #222 of 1290 🔗

C’mon little Charlie! Don’t be like Them…

233850 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Voz 0db, #223 of 1290 🔗

Whenever I explain it to anyone (and apologies, I do have a degree for Imperial College) I couch it in terms that it is being used in a way it was never intended and at such high amplification cycles it could find pretty much anything. Most people on here know that but the general public don’t so I’m not sure why you say you are talking to the wind unless you mean away from this forum.

233882 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to steph, 1, #224 of 1290 🔗

Yes… Outside this little bubble of fellow slaves that – large majority – understands that PCR is not a test, I’m indeed talking to the wind.

My deepest condolences on the degree.

233608 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 35, #225 of 1290 🔗

I’m sorry, but the rank stupidity of the general public never ceases to amaze me. Muzzled-up couple just came in:

“Ooooh, all your tables are empty” FFS …

233631 ▶▶ Brian ‘Monty’ Cohen, replying to kh1485, 13, #226 of 1290 🔗

Yep, it’s mindblowing isn’t it!
As the great, much lamented George Carlin said: ”People are fuckin’ dumb! Realise how stupid the average person is, and then realise half the population are dumber than that!”

233632 ▶▶ Paul, replying to kh1485, 20, #227 of 1290 🔗

It proves that even though most people are completely taken in by the propaganda they can’t rationalise what it means in reality,the level of ignorance is frightening.

233647 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Paul, 8, #228 of 1290 🔗

It sounds like cognitive dissonance.

234651 ▶▶▶▶ Watt, replying to Steve Hayes, #229 of 1290 🔗

Looks like cognitive dissonance, walks like CD, talks full on CD……could be chronic CD. It’s a CD pandemic, folks!

233664 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Paul, 22, #230 of 1290 🔗

Christ, it gets worse – a poppy mask … 🙁

233684 ▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to kh1485, 10, #231 of 1290 🔗

Oh God no ☹️

233686 ▶▶▶▶ dorset dumpling, replying to kh1485, 8, #232 of 1290 🔗

I saw two of those this morning on the owner and his wife in a deli.

233698 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to kh1485, 14, #233 of 1290 🔗

I was dreading this, disgraceful. Fucking idiots who should be ashamed.

Stay strong 👊

233707 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to stefarm, 4, #234 of 1290 🔗

Thanks, doing my best.

233712 ▶▶▶▶ Paul, replying to kh1485, 7, #235 of 1290 🔗

My wife came back from the shops last week and asked me what was it with the fancy masks some zombies had on,I said it’s because they are twats and my wife replied,’Yes,that’s what I thought’ !.

233718 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Paul, 4, #236 of 1290 🔗

Ha ha.

And, and they can’t understand why we might not be offering our full menu. Jeez …

233721 ▶▶▶▶ William Hand, replying to kh1485, 3, #237 of 1290 🔗

My dog is called Poppy! Trouble is I cannot get her fucking mask to stay on. She’s a granny killer for sure!

233774 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to William Hand, 5, #238 of 1290 🔗

I think on yesterday’s page there was a piss-take set of photos on how best to muzzle your dog!

Blood pressure coming down as now as have my fave canine customer in (Mambo) and he has had his usual – bonios with clotted cream (I am not kidding!).

233802 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to kh1485, 1, #239 of 1290 🔗

There was a TV advert months ago that I think this was taken from thats as to show us humans the wrong and correct ways to wear the muzzle, I’m sure of it as Mrs Awkward and I can remember commenting on it at the time.

233782 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to kh1485, 3, #240 of 1290 🔗

One house round here has both “Every Poppy Counts” and “Thank You NHS” in their window. Not getting the irony at all.

233944 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to kh1485, 1, #241 of 1290 🔗

I knew it would come.
I bet Welby wears one.
DisGUSTING.

234308 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 3, #242 of 1290 🔗

AAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!

234301 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 2, #243 of 1290 🔗

Unfortunately I have to put up with them day in day out in my work. Such is the hazard of a customer facing role.

233617 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 8, #244 of 1290 🔗

Monday’s attendance figures for that Liverpool school will be an interesting barometer of public opinion.

233621 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Tom Blackburn, 11, #245 of 1290 🔗

I do wish they would stop referring to pupils as ‘students’. Students go to university, not to school.

233641 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Tenchy, 3, #246 of 1290 🔗

Yeah – next it will be ‘Kindergarden students’

233655 ▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to calchas, 10, #247 of 1290 🔗

Kindergarten students have already happened.
A colleague told me a couple of years ago that he was taking the afternoon off work because his daughter was “graduating from nursery school”.
I’m afraid I couldn’t contain the snorts of derision.

233668 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Martin, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 2, #248 of 1290 🔗

An 18 year old girl once introduced herself to me as my Grandaughter’s ‘key worker’. My Grandaughter was 3!

233649 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Tenchy, 2, #249 of 1290 🔗

Do students “go” to uni though? 😉

233618 Richard G Brooke, replying to Richard G Brooke, 23, #250 of 1290 🔗

Off to a protest now in Stroud. I’ll put it to the police that only dicatorships prevent political meetings. But then if a government statistic (zero covid) is the only criteria when it comes to our rights, we are all completely at their mercy. What will the next statistic be?

233630 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Richard G Brooke, 6, #251 of 1290 🔗

Love Stroud, We visit frequently but the last time was back in the good old days in February although the floods made life difficult. Little did we know that worse was to come. So many independent traders who must be going through hell. Wish I could have been there. Good luck.

233658 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Richard G Brooke, 2, #252 of 1290 🔗

My grandmother was born in Stroud. Good luck with the rally. Hope it’s well attended.

233685 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #253 of 1290 🔗

I was born there – pre-trendy times. My family were ‘okkard’ buggers from up the valleys who would have, with great humour, thoroughly taken the piss out of anyone wearing a face mask and believing that Armageddon had come.

233814 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Richard G Brooke, 3, #254 of 1290 🔗

What’s the police approach? – Engage, Explain, Encourage, Enforce? If you can keep them at the first two stages and do your own bit of explaining you’ll be doing a great job.

234021 ▶▶▶ Richard G Brooke, replying to Edward, 3, #255 of 1290 🔗

So I’m back now after about an hour at the protest. Happily the police from Stroud carried no batons unlike the Met. The organisers went to great pains to welcome the police and ensure no trouble happened. By the time I left they’d arrested two people, one of whom seemed to be bystander, the other an organiser. I harangued the police for arresting her but they didn’t seem to have orders to arrest me so I didn’t get to spend any time in the cells, unlike Piers Corbyn who should have been at Stroud, but was arrested in London and had to appear in a Bromley court instead.

234658 ▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Edward, #256 of 1290 🔗

exactly – and the longer you can drag it out the better – an hour’s worth of them engaging & explaining means an hour’s less hassling everyone else for no good reason…

234522 ▶▶ Sue, replying to Richard G Brooke, 1, #257 of 1290 🔗

Yes i was at Stroud also – my first protest ever – just wish it was for different circumstances and not for the freedom in this country!!
There were loads of police – out to make a point in my opinion and they made about 4 arrests I think. I was standing alone about 10m away from the gathering and couple of coppers came up to me to say ‘go home’ blah blah. So I moved to the other side of the crowd. They picked on individuals/vulnerable rather then a group of 6ft bruisers. Toward the end a whole group came along to disperse the people.
When over i saw the police take photos of themselves in the carpark – obviously the highlight of their career having a protest (i took a pic of them)
Overall it was peaceful except when the police picked out a target to arrest and bit of skirmish but i kept out the mayhem.
Amazing friendly people and all talking to each other – had a great conversation and laughs with a group of folks afterwards. People seem to be isolated as their current circle are not on same wavelength, certainly true for me, and a need to reach out to similar mindsets.

233634 calchas, replying to calchas, 5, #258 of 1290 🔗

Great comment from ‘George Mc’ at off-guardian:

“Get to the real point: the underlying restructuring which COVID is a cover for. At present, this means the increasing immiseration of the population, the increasing deaths (not caused DIRECTLY by the virus), the reprogramming of the Western citizen mentality to a desperate deferential peasant mind, the deliberate destruction of the public services, the gutting of all social safety nets and the final transfer of social life to a virtual realm.”

https://off-guardian.org/2020/11/04/the-gunpowder-plot-and-second-lockdown-on-5-november/

234276 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to calchas, 1, #259 of 1290 🔗

Chilling!

233640 Eddy, replying to Eddy, 7, #260 of 1290 🔗

Announcing the Freedom of Common Law. A MUST WATCH
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dxb5djfP7_s&feature=youtu.be

234290 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Eddy, 1, #261 of 1290 🔗

Inspiring. Let’s hope they pull it off!

233644 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 22, #262 of 1290 🔗

Just been speaking to my neighbour who’s an occupational therapist and has regular contact with hospitals. She said one hospital has nurses cleaning floors as they have nothing to do.

233689 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Smelly Melly, 18, #263 of 1290 🔗

Then the Nurses are totally complicit for not speaking out. Signing non disclosure contracts cuts no ice – it is a matter of right vs wrong.

233941 ▶▶ annie, replying to Smelly Melly, 4, #264 of 1290 🔗

Actually a useful thing for them to do. In Addenbrookes hospital a few years back, the floor in my elderly, diabetic dad’s ward was so filthy that he left hospital with a serious infection in one foot that travelled up his leg and turned the flesh black. Yes, they discharged him like that.
Nurses refused to mop the floor because of ‘demarcation’.

234115 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to annie, 2, #265 of 1290 🔗

1970s car factories come to mind

233645 Steve Martin, replying to Steve Martin, 11, #266 of 1290 🔗

I cannot believe that such a poorly constructed letter was written by someone employed in the education system. That aside, to talk about children and bar codes is utterly chilling. Our army should not be used in this way. If the majority of parents allow this then the game is well and truly over. I can probably expect a tank to roll down my street and receive a knock on my door in the near future. I wish I knew the real reason for this madness.

233755 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Steve Martin, 7, #267 of 1290 🔗

The letter is a disgrace. If that is the level of literacy of the teachers, gawd help the children (especially those who grow up without books).

As for barcodes – not worth getting upset about. It’s just a machine-readable encoding of a number and we are all identified by numbers all over the place e.g. school registration number, NI Number, customer number…. From a systems perspective, it’s much better using that than handling multiple transcription errors. But given that a card or piece of paper on which a barcode is printed will probably get lost or damaged in no time flat….
Obviously, some of us here might be only too happy to see the system crash and burn but it can probably do that without the help of transcription errors.

234528 ▶▶▶ Sue, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, #268 of 1290 🔗

just wait till they plant a chip in your body to record all this stuff and more…

233646 mr ben, replying to mr ben, #269 of 1290 🔗

Is fullfact.org to be trusted?
I’ve just been looking at this:
https://fullfact.org/online/PCR-test-coronavirus/

233657 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to mr ben, 5, #270 of 1290 🔗

No, they are compromised.

233663 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #271 of 1290 🔗
233673 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #272 of 1290 🔗

Yes – they’re a propaganda shill organisation.

233702 ▶▶ jojo, replying to mr ben, 2, #273 of 1290 🔗

I used to trust them. But in the topic of COVID, they seem biased.

An example in the page you linked: “PCR (polymerase chain reaction) test, which looks for the virus’s genetic material to see if someone currently has Covid-19. ”

It then doesn’t mention the possibility of picking up fragments of dead virus from old infections. Even BBC has reported Prof Carl Heneghan’s study on this.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54000629

233819 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to mr ben, 2, #274 of 1290 🔗

back in the summer when flu/pneumonia deaths exceeded covid Fullfact attempted to explain away the ONS Statistics as a misunderstanding. Given the figures were presented in two columns it was hard not to misunderstand!

233652 Bailie, 19, #275 of 1290 🔗

From the beginning of this “pandemic” governments around the world, under the pretext of protecting us, have ensured the death toll over the next few years will rocket. For example, lack of cancer screening, lack of GP and hospital services, keeping people inside and out of the sun( a source of vitamin d), adding stress due to lockdown is job losses, social isolation, and not forgetting the cull of the elderly by the state. The list goes on.
For me the answer to all this has to be Agenda 21/30. Depopulation by loss of healthcare, promotion of abortion, and encouragement of euthanasia (not including a possible sterilisation programme by stealth).
Movement of people out of countryside. In the DM today Boris is trying to turn Exmoor in a rewilding zone, regardless of the farms there.
Cashless society…doing their best.
Again the list goes on.
In the film “Independence Day” the Jeff Goldblum character realizes that the alien ships are forming into an attack pattern. With Biden as President, are there many countries left whose leaders are not acting the same way, using the same techniques, the same language?
Is the final attack about to commence?

233653 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 9, #276 of 1290 🔗

When May called the Conservative Party the Nasty Party, she was misquoted, it should have been the Nazi Party.

233662 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Bella Donna, 18, #277 of 1290 🔗

Labour have been equally as bad.

233665 ▶▶▶ Eddy, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #278 of 1290 🔗

Who?

233667 ▶▶▶ dpj, replying to Tom Blackburn, 8, #279 of 1290 🔗

Definitely, last 8 months should have been easiest time ever to be the opposition party and they’ve blown it spectacularly.

233687 ▶▶▶▶ Eddy, replying to dpj, 8, #280 of 1290 🔗

The term “they are all the same” has never been so apt.

233697 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to dpj, 2, #281 of 1290 🔗

Led by that well known trilateral commission member Sir Keir Starmer.

234297 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #282 of 1290 🔗

Killer Starmer!

233671 alw, replying to alw, 16, #283 of 1290 🔗

Out and about in Primrose Hill today, as busy as a summer Sunday afternoon. However no children’s football clubs. WTF. These children see one another at school everyday. Why is Premier League football ok, but no football for children who are not at risk? Boris, Hancock a new all the MPs who voted for this latest lockdown are the greatest danger to the health, well-being and economy of this country.

233695 ▶▶ Mrs issedoff, replying to alw, 6, #284 of 1290 🔗

Hear hear. My grandson had just got back into the football and really enjoying it, there is absolutely no need for this to be stopped. Too many kids today spend most of their time exercising their thumbs and nothing else, this is simply encouraging bad habits and lifestyle. If anyone was allowed to asked our despotic leader any questions other than pre planned ones, there have been so many idiotic decisions made that there is not a cat in hells chance he would be able to justify any of them.

233677 James, 21, #285 of 1290 🔗

There are times when being a law abiding citizen is morally reprehensible. I think this is one of these times.

233678 Mrs issedoff, 7, #286 of 1290 🔗

My first thought when I saw that top picture was, I’m glad that’s not me. Then I suddenly realised that it would never have been me because I wouldn’t have a test. I do know that some people have no choice because of the bully boy tactics going on in some work places, this lady however looks past working age.

233679 Tom Blackburn, 4, #287 of 1290 🔗

A poster on here last week (can’t recall who) mentioned fighting dirty in this disinformation war. Did anything more come of this? I ask because almost every year someone whips up a storm by having their St George flag taken down or poppy mural painted over. I’d have thought the current febrile dystopia lends itself well to similar accusations of oppression.

233682 Victor, 2, #288 of 1290 🔗

50% accurate? What are they using to test it against – the PCR test? The same deeply flawed test that is run at a cycle threshold of 35-45 which they know cycling over 30 is not medically reliable and should be pitched?

There are other much more reliable test (5-15 minutes!) coming on the market. why weren’t those chosen? I suspect someone in Government is making some money with this particular test.

233690 D B, 21, #289 of 1290 🔗

Afternoon all, obviously we’re all alive and well because we don’t run about with foul rags on our faces – I am going to be heading to the Cenotaph on Whitehall tomorrow for a self observed 2 minute silence at 11am. Hopefully we can gather, would be great if more could do the same. They paid the ultimate price for the freedoms that have been robbed from us.

233693 alw, replying to alw, 42, #291 of 1290 🔗

So the government are encouraging you to report your neighbours if they don’t follow the new rules. Before following this advice you should really consider the fact the government won’t be there to help you jump start your car or lend you tools or a cup of sugar if you needed it.”

Does anyone know who can I ring to report
gatherings and parties on my road?? I’m sure there’s more than 15 ppl and they should all know that it’s not allowed with the new ‘law’ that has just passed 🤬
It’s unfair that we’re in a middle of a pandemic and people don’t care about this deadly virus. They are having a bbq, drinks, playing loud music and I think I can smell weed as well 🤯
I’m getting absolutely pissed off at the thought how many people will get infected.
Where can I report it?
🤬 😡 🤬 😡 🤬 😡 😡 😳
🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔

False alarm, I’ve just been invited 🤫 💃
Sorry for the trouble 😂 😂 😂

233717 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to alw, 14, #292 of 1290 🔗

Thing is, a lot of people will actually think like this. Prepared to grass others up but still break restrictions if they know they can get away with it. May also explain these ludicrous polls which appear to strongly support govt measures – people say they support them because they want to appear virtuous and expect others to comply with measures, but secretly they probably break them too.

234314 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Poppy, 3, #293 of 1290 🔗

That – and the polls are blatantly rigged.

233694 PhilipF, replying to PhilipF, #294 of 1290 🔗

I read this interesting article about PCR testing that was posted late on yesterday’s comments by Swedenborg.

https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/covid-19-rt-pcr-test-how-mislead-all-humanity-accepting-societal-lock-downs

I am reasonably scientifically literate but I still just don’t understand how the amplification process works and why it becomes unreliable after c30 cycles.

Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

If somebody was prepared to explain it simply I would be most grateful.It seems pretty central to this whole shit sandwich.

233701 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to PhilipF, 2, #295 of 1290 🔗

Simply google CEBM (Centre for Evidence Based Medicine) PCR test. All the detail is there.

234123 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 2, #296 of 1290 🔗

There is also some really good stuff here:

https://sebastianrushworth.com/

233709 ▶▶ calchas, replying to PhilipF, 2, #297 of 1290 🔗

As I understand it the PCR as used is looking for a particular genetic sequence. A sequence which may have a variety of sources. The ampliication process is analogous to zooming in, in order to examine a sample more and more minutely. The amplification is exponential.

Take a look at your kitchen floor. It looks fairly clean I suppose. Yet, the more minutely you examine it, the more ‘impurities’ of various sorts world be found. A forensic analyst equipped with something akin to a PCR could probably find all sorts of stuff in miniscule amounts on that floor, but none of it is important because the quantiities are so minute.

Kary Muullis – the inventor of PCR – claimes that it is capable of ‘finding almost anything in anybody’, because each person contains an incredible variety of different molecules in the body, However, the PCR is not suitable or diagnosis, because it says nohing bout the clinical significance of something being found , possibly in extremely minute quantities.

Bear in mind also that the PCR is allegedly searching or a genetic sequence that orms part of a virus, not the virus itself – hence the possibility of other sources. Here’s Mullis:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_cMF_s-fzc

233771 ▶▶ Anthony, replying to PhilipF, 1, #298 of 1290 🔗

This is how I understand it: The thermal cycling during PCR causes amplification which is reliant upon the hybridisation of PCR primers on to template DNA. The specificity of this primer comes from the fact that the sequences of primer and template are complementary therefore the primer should only prime amplification when that specific sequence is present. Yo can however get non specific priming of primer and template when sequences aren’t exactly complementary causing nonspecific amplification. This is largely controlled by high temperatures during cycling process which is designed to allow specific sequences to bind together whereas non-exact sequences will be ‘ripped apart’ by thermal energy and therefore will not prime (perfectly hybridised sequences will require high temp due to greater bond strength). I think that, despite this tight control of temperatures, some non specific amplification will still inevitably occur which, if cycled enough, may eventually lead to a strong enough signal (from in built PCR probes) to cross given positive threshold for assay in question.
Again, this is what I’m guessing and I’m not sure what measures assays may have in place to help distinguish between non specific and target amplification.

233815 ▶▶ Henry, replying to PhilipF, 2, #299 of 1290 🔗

Just to add to other comments which are accurate. The main reason you get a signal when no RNA virus is present is not because it’s detecting anything, it’s because the process works using a fluorescent tag which exponentially increases if the nucleotides are able to fill in during replication. At high cycle numbers there are a number of reasons why binding occurs and fluorescence increases (primer-dimers to weak similar strand amplification). Usually, these results (above a threshold cut-off) are discarded or taken with a pinch of salt and don’t prove anything in scientific terms without additional scientific techniques alongside. But when it comes to using it for a test of such nature, it would seem imperative to minimize false negatives through increasing specificity i.e. being cautious.

233696 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 19, #300 of 1290 🔗

Out on my morning jog this morning thought i would take a detour via the local testing centre.

Fuck me, packed, I couldn’t move*

*Could really, empty.

233741 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to stefarm, 2, #301 of 1290 🔗

True story, honest guv

234573 ▶▶ Old Normal, replying to stefarm, #302 of 1290 🔗

My local one has been closed for weeks. It was open for about a month with a few visits per day.

233700 rose, replying to rose, 24, #303 of 1290 🔗

Just asked the cashier in Aldi how many staff have had Covid 19 since March. She said NONE

233714 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to rose, 7, #304 of 1290 🔗

Or all of them if they have stoically soldiered on with their asymptomatic ‘illness’ without getting tested

233723 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Tom Blackburn, 12, #305 of 1290 🔗

That’s why they are frontline heroes.

233961 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #306 of 1290 🔗

Same as our Morrison’s.

233703 davews, replying to davews, 8, #307 of 1290 🔗

Listening just now to Money Box on BBC Radio 4 – the only BBC programme I am listening to nowadays. It seems that people who request a home COVID test kit are asked for ID – reasonable – but they do it via one of the credit agencies. But unless you have a bad credit record, or if it seems you opt out of the open version of the electoral register, you may not have any record there. Incredible cock up.

(I am opted out of the open register by choice as it is largely used for spam mailing purposes)

233797 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to davews, 1, #308 of 1290 🔗

It seems that people who request a home COVID test kit are asked for ID – reasonable – but they do it via one of the credit agencies.

What? Shocking!!!! Another small print omitted from the official narrative

233704 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 21, #309 of 1290 🔗

New contenders for the front of the queue to be put up against the wall.
Scum who actually make/order face nappies for 5 year olds, closely followed by the parents who make their 5 year olds wear em.

233711 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Fingerache Philip., 5, #310 of 1290 🔗

Absolutely. I’d like to start making a log of such crimes but am too lazy

233713 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #311 of 1290 🔗

Me too.

233708 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 14, #312 of 1290 🔗

Zombies zombies everywhere, pecking at their muzzzles, touching their face, gloriously unaware they have given away their freedom.

233710 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to stefarm, 13, #313 of 1290 🔗

I feel your anger. Just had one pillock actually say “isn’t it a beautiful day?” No, it effing well isn’t you plank. Arraggghhhhhh!

233730 ▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to kh1485, 3, #314 of 1290 🔗

I always say pardon, not difficult as muzzled up people ARE difficult to understand when they speak..

233740 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to KBuchanan, 3, #315 of 1290 🔗

Oh, we do that. Had a few ‘Two Ronnies’ type episodes!

233739 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to kh1485, 3, #316 of 1290 🔗

If looks could kill there really would be a pandemic. I would be the next Harold Shipman…sorry Matt handcock

233716 Pete Sutton, 7, #317 of 1290 🔗

Broadgreen International School needs educating in the use of diacriticals.

233719 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 6, #318 of 1290 🔗

Poloce or PCSOs in Sainburys https://twitter.com/HappyHarryMedia/status/1325014056198172672

One thing I’m not clear about is that they have the right to ask why you are not wearing a mask but is it correct that the words “exempt” are all that is required?

233728 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to arfurmo, #319 of 1290 🔗

To shopworkers. I think PCSOs, Plod and Covid Wombles are allowed to probe a little further.

233731 ▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #320 of 1290 🔗

Not according to the guidance, and as no medial consultation is required you can seemingly self exempt yourself. Something like anxiety is a perfectly reasonable reason to give I would suspect.

233744 ▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Anothersceptic2, 12, #321 of 1290 🔗

You are not required by law to answer ANY question that a police officer asks you. FULL STOP

They also commit a disciplinary offence of falsehood by falsely claiming that they have powers that they don’t have

Trust me I know

233752 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 1, #322 of 1290 🔗

There are exceptions

You must give your name and address if driving a motor vehicle or on licensed premises

233858 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Cecil B, 2, #323 of 1290 🔗

In that case – may I ask you please to establish a central source of reliable information for us. We urgently need it. One of my friends was arrested and fined on Thursday. Could he have avoided the fine by refusing his consent under the Common Law?

This is getting urgent now, of immediate importance. I had hoped that the lawyers at the top (Lord Sumption etc) would step up and provide this type of info pro bono for us all to use.

234127 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Rosie, 1, #324 of 1290 🔗

Arrested for what, Rosie?

233734 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to arfurmo, 5, #325 of 1290 🔗

The law doesn’t require you to provide proof

233747 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 4, #326 of 1290 🔗

She doesn’t even know the law.

233735 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to arfurmo, 3, #327 of 1290 🔗

Female plod needs to get her hands out of her pockets. It makes her look slovenly.

233738 ▶▶ mr ben, replying to arfurmo, 5, #328 of 1290 🔗

I was under the impression the Police do have the right to ask you but not shop workers.
I didn’t like their manner but it was typical of a brainless plod.

233793 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to mr ben, 1, #329 of 1290 🔗

he eventually told the police th reason for exemption but he was still told to leave the store

233743 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to arfurmo, 3, #330 of 1290 🔗

Yep, that’s all that is required under the law.

You can voluntarily give more info but this comes under confidential medical records and these require a court order to get which is why they cannot ask further

Go to laworfiction.com as they have a lot more on there about this.

https://laworfiction.com/2020/07/face-covering-for-6-to-12-months-from-24th-july/

https://laworfiction.com/2020/07/face-covering-litigation-threats-and-administrative-headache/

The premises can make a mask etc a condition of entry if they want and this is legal (similar to dress codes in pubs etc) and if they do you can either just walk away or give them a notice of conditional acceptance to sign (been posted on here many times) or quote the equalities and discrimination laws at them and see if they back down – print up one of these to go through in this case:

https://laworfiction.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Face-Covering-Exemption-Notice-with-Law-Explained-24-July-2020.pdf

233761 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to arfurmo, 5, #331 of 1290 🔗

The police are a f*ucking disgrace.

233764 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to arfurmo, 6, #332 of 1290 🔗

Can I have her collar number. she’s going on the list

233823 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Cecil B, 1, #333 of 1290 🔗

That list must be getting pretty big.

233991 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Cecil B, #334 of 1290 🔗

Can you add Ross Kemp to the list. Cheers

233767 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to arfurmo, 6, #335 of 1290 🔗

I would just say distress if there isn’t a physical health issue. This will send them on their way. I would then make a formal complaint to Sainsburys as who brought in the Police in the first place? Was it a staff member?

233789 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to arfurmo, 5, #336 of 1290 🔗

Shocking!!!!!!!!

Get this to Simon Dolan’s twitter feed.

Very clear police harassed the person. They told him it is against the law not to have a mask on despite the fact that he said on more than one occasion that he is exempt. He even told them the reason.

Make a complaint to police and to sainsbury’s. Sainsbury’s obviously condoning the police in harassing the customers for no reason.

In future vote with your feet – do not buy from them again.

233813 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Victoria, 2, #337 of 1290 🔗

As above, it was not me!

233864 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Victoria, 1, #338 of 1290 🔗

The sign about mask wearing at the entrance to my nearest Sainsbury’s does mention exemptions, something like “You must wear a face covering unless you are exempt”. Sainsbury’s presumably have a corporate policy but some over-zealous staff may take it upon themselves to ignore exemptions.

234023 ▶▶▶▶ stevie, replying to Edward, 1, #339 of 1290 🔗

I read somewhere that Sainsburys can provide exemption lanyards on request from the customer service desk.

234064 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Victoria, 1, #340 of 1290 🔗

Both Simon and Laurence Fox have retweeted this – am sure many more

234126 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to arfurmo, 1, #341 of 1290 🔗

Police cannot ask you about your exemption. There is nothing at all in the legislation about challenging exemption, it just lists some, and says the list is “not limited to…”.

If you *refuse* to wear a face covering (which is different from being exempt), you are breaking the law, and then a PC, PCSO or person designated by the secretary of state can “direct you to wear a face covering” or “direct you to leave the store”.

If you are exempt, they should not challenge you and you are not required to provide any proof of exemption. Again, the law makes no mention of this at all, but ‘guidance’ clearly states you should not be challenged and do not need to show proof.

If I know this from looking at two government documents, why don’t the police?

234370 ▶▶ Hampshire Sceptic, replying to arfurmo, 2, #342 of 1290 🔗

With so many plods engaged in the enforcement of these stupid rules how on earth are they keeping up with the equally important work of checking that nobody has made a comment on Arsebook or Twitter that might have upset a snowflake?

234810 ▶▶ Watt, replying to arfurmo, #343 of 1290 🔗

This is correct. I travel regularly on the mass transit in London, wander through the shops and supermarkets. I’ve been challenged only once, told them I get episodes, fits and spasms if forced to wear a muzzle and that did the trick!

233720 John Galt, replying to John Galt, 9, #344 of 1290 🔗

I emailed the school in the main update, simply asking for an explanation regarding the legality of what they want to do.

I think it’d be good if lots of us emailed them.

233725 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to John Galt, 4, #345 of 1290 🔗

I’m actually hoping they go ahead with it and attendance is zero

233737 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to John Galt, 3, #346 of 1290 🔗

Seen this? https://twitter.com/_Klaus_Schwab/status/1325016140213575682

Saying the people of Liverpool have embraced mass testing and that isolation camps will be set up soon…

233751 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Carrie, 1, #347 of 1290 🔗

That is surely a fake Schwab account.

233754 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to leggy, 1, #348 of 1290 🔗

Is it though?
Klaus Schwab
@_Klaus_Schwab
Engineer, Economist. Chairman and founder of the World Economic Forum @wef

#OwnNothingBeHappy
Global https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f1fa-1f1f3.svg weforum.org

233758 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Carrie, 1, #349 of 1290 🔗

Joined Oct 2020. I would say fake

233766 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Sarigan, #350 of 1290 🔗

Where is his official Twitter site? Surely he has one..

Would a parody account be bothering with congratulating Biden on his win?

233770 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Carrie, #351 of 1290 🔗

I agree it seems odd for him (if it’s him) to be so blatant….

233772 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Carrie, 1, #352 of 1290 🔗

The other posts seem to be piss takes also.

233778 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Sarigan, 4, #353 of 1290 🔗

It does say something in itself, if it is not easy to discern a piss-take fom the real thing.

233856 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to calchas, #354 of 1290 🔗

I find no blue ticked profile for the man; found this one that looks as official as the one I quoted, but this one has no tweets.

https://twitter.com/KlausSchwabWEF
It does take time to get a blue tick..

The other ‘players’ in all this have Twitter accounts – it would make sense for him to have one…

233779 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to leggy, 1, #355 of 1290 🔗

Brilliant strategy. Telling people the worst case scenario

233854 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Victoria, #356 of 1290 🔗

Brilliant strategy for whom? This looks like classic psyops making the camps into a reality, first in people’s minds and then on the ground.

Fear-porn needs exposing.

233753 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Carrie, #357 of 1290 🔗

Another few gems from Klaus Schwab:
https://twitter.com/_Klaus_Schwab/status/1324628379354714112 (not a human right to breathe fresh air)
https://twitter.com/_Klaus_Schwab/status/1324624518380425216 (fake food)

234443 ▶▶ SAVED2DEATH, replying to John Galt, 1, #358 of 1290 🔗

I have also emailed thus’ Dear Miss Ms P Towey,
I have read your latest letter to the parents of the children that attend your school and I am appalled that you are letting the army undertake mass screening of your pupils for covid-19 without taking informed consent from them or their parents. This practise is an infringement of their human rights and I find it extremely troubling. It will be upsetting for the pupils and I feel strongly that you should not allow the army to do this on school property and that pupils and their parents should be given detailed information regarding the, as yet non-validated, screening test which is known to produce very unreliable results. yours’

233749 stefarm, 2, #359 of 1290 🔗

https://youtu.be/lXgkuM2NhYI

We could be heroes just for 1 day

233794 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #361 of 1290 🔗

My fun, part 1:

Ms. Towey,

It is with increasing concern I read of your school on the internet ( http://www.lockdownsceptics.org ) and the letter you sent to parents about the testing of all children for covid-19 next week and the authoritarian, totalitarian direction you are heading in.

Especially worrying are the comments “each child and adult will be identified with a unique barcode” and “Under normal conditions parental permission is sought for the testing of children, however under these very challenging and unprecedented circumstances that is not possible”.

The last Government that carried out something similar on a selected segment of the population that was then used to enforce draconian restrictions on their movements and quality of life were the National Socialists in Germany in the 1930s.

How apt that in this week of all weeks when part of the Remembrance is to honour those who fought and died in World War II from 1939-1945 to free Europe and the world from this type of tyranny this country is emulating exactly the same type of edict.

I suggest that you read these documents and see how many articles you are breaking:

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/charter/pdf/text_en.pdf
https://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/
https://legal.un.org/ilc/texts/instruments/english/draft_articles/7_1_1950.pdf
I received a FOI request answer from the Department of Health and Social Care Reference FOI-1240596 and it stated that a positive PCR test means nothing medically.

The actual quote: “SARS-CoV-2 RNA means the RNA is present in that sample at that point in time. It does not mean that the patient has the novel coronavirus (COVID-19).”

The full FOI request and answer is available if you wish it.

It also linked to a document that in conclusion stated that the PCR tests being used are unreliable, had high false positive rates, could not be verified against an actual confirmed case of covid-19 and had not been verified in a medical or hospital setting.

The full FOI answer is available from myself if you require it.

PCR tests are also, as admitted by their inventors, not a diagnostic tool nor a quantitive test and should not be used as such in any circumstances.

So with this in mind I have sent FOI requests to both various local Councils and authorities asking:

1 – based on the above statements how can a positive PCR tests be termed as a “case” medically?

2 – based on the above statements how can positive PCR tests be used as a justification for local lockdowns and other general restrictions?

3 – based on the above statements how can positive PCR tests be used as a justification for enforced self-isolation of individuals tested “positive”?

4 – based on the above statements how can positive PCR tests be used as a justification for enforced self-isolation of those who have been in “close contact” with an individual who tested “positive”?

5 – based on the above statements how can positive PCR tests be used as a justification for closing down or fining a business when customers have been tested “positive”?

6 – please supply the official document(s) and guidance (not the legislation but the supporting documentation) that has been supplied to local Councils that justify local lockdowns, business closures and isolation of segments of the population based on an unreliable test that does not mean the person is infected with anything, that has high false positive rates and no independent verification the results are correct?

7 – please supply the official document(s) and guidance that has been supplied to local Councils that allow the PCR tests to be used as a diagnostic tool/test that is outwith it’s intended use by it’s inventors.

Every answer I received back, regardless of Council rod evolved assembly so far state this or something similar:

“I am writing to advise you that, I have established that the information you requested is not held by XXXX Council.

The information is not held because our Public Health Team have advised that we are not able to respond to your request as all testing is commissioned by DHSC.

I can advise however, that you may be able to gain the requested data by directing your enquiry to the NHS .”

Then there is this momentous quote from CMO Chris Whitty on the 21st July 2020:

“If you look at the R, and the behaviours, quite a lot of the change that led to the R going below one occurred well before, or to some extent before, the 23rd, when the full lockdown started.”
Here is a link to a video I had made for me by parliamentlivetv of the relevant section of the committee hearing:

https://1drv.ms/v/s!Agv7JEO8MngCiSmT-rY5ChSI9LV-
It’s 23 MB so too big too e-mail.

You can download it yourself on their website – set the start time at 10:58:00 and end time as 11:01 – their instructions are easy to follow.

233946 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to Awkward Git, #362 of 1290 🔗

“I have been sent this by a concerned parent of a sixth former at a boarding school, who was sent it in turn. It is atrocious and would appear to amount to false imprisonment. It is all too typical o…”

A thread from @Francis_Hoar
https://threader.app/thread/1324757481889869826

234121 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #363 of 1290 🔗

I’m still keen to know how they secure the child who tests positive. Perhaps we could ask for details. Is it an empty room? What if parent is working far away and cannot collect for hours? Are they brought food by a masked teacher in full PPE? ….. the mind boggles.

233796 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #364 of 1290 🔗

My fun, part 2 (part 1 awaiting moderation, will appear soon)

With all this in mind, how can you justify the compulsory forced testing of children without their parent’s consent using a test that is unfit for the purpose to which you are using it and that if positive means absolutely nothing medically?

I am glad that my children are now grown adults because if they were at a school that was acting in this manner I would do my utmost to have the person(s) responsible removed from their position and ensure they never held a position of responsibility again as they are unfit for these positions.

Remember Nuremberg Principle III and IV.

Yours sincerely

233807 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #365 of 1290 🔗

Mental capacity act, assault and battery. Safeguarding. No implied consent must be fully informed. Headteacher cannot act in loco parentis. Some of the pupils at the school will be 18. 16/17 can consent or refuse but it must be informed consent.

233881 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to p02099003, 4, #366 of 1290 🔗

Yes – this becomes common assault, I reckon.

The problem is the usual one of making acceptance of threatened measures a condition of participation.

I’m sure there is a legal remedy – but it’s the old, old story of the cost and time required for the ordinary citizen.

233979 ▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to RickH, 5, #367 of 1290 🔗

As a healthcare professional I cannot examine a child without their parents consent but I always explain to the child what I am going to do, in age appropriate language.
The letter from the head teacher is appalling, showing a complete disregard for the rights of the child, never mind the parents. It smacks of a box ticking exercise looking for some sort of recognition for the school.

234540 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to p02099003, #368 of 1290 🔗

The school has likely been offered some financial bribe – money for a new classroom or something like that. Plus a brown envelope of cash for the headteacher…

234026 ▶▶ Mrs S, replying to Awkward Git, 8, #369 of 1290 🔗

Dear Ms Towey

I hear that you have invited non medical personel to carry out a medical procedure on healthy children whose guardians have not provided informed consent. This is a clear breach of national and international laws. It amounts to assault and in allowing this to happen in your school you are making yourself and your school liable to prosecution.

For your own sake please consult a lawyer before participating in this breach of medical ethics.

For your information I would draw your attention to the Nuremburg Code and Helsink Declaration https://www.wma.net/policies-post/wma-declaration-of-helsinki-ethical-principles-for-medical-research-involving-human-subjects/

Firstly, i would direct you to provision 12 which states that, “Medical research involving human subjects must be conducted only by individuals with the appropriate ethics and scientific education, training and qualifications. Research on patients or healthy volunteers requires the supervision of a competent and appropriately qualified physician or other health care professional.”

Secondly, i direct you to provisions 25 and 26 which state that informed consent must be given.

Finally I direct you to provision 8,
“While the primary purpose of medical research is to generate new knowledge, this goal can never take precedence over the rights and interests of individual research subjects.”

I doubt the people directing this mass testing are aware of the law, however, it is vital that you inform yourself as ignorance will be no defence.

233757 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 4, #370 of 1290 🔗

Telegraph already talking up a third wave, (the pompously titled global health security team as sponsored by Gates – 3.5 million)
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/europe-track-third-wave-covid-unless-lessons-summer-heeded-ecdc/

233777 ▶▶ DRW, replying to nickbowes, 4, #371 of 1290 🔗

Hinting at third lockdowns. I expect one in late January, and it’ll be our fault for “not following the rules” at Christmas.

233871 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to DRW, 1, #372 of 1290 🔗

Late January? I’m expecting it on Boxing Day.

233922 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Edward, 1, #373 of 1290 🔗

Possible, but they need Parliament back to rubberstamp it. Plus a week or two of fresh hysteria to ‘sell’ it.

233927 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to nickbowes, 3, #374 of 1290 🔗

The Telegraph is very useful. On the one hand there are a few proper sceptical articles, and on the other hand there are all the nudging articles (gov/Gates propaganda) that tell us what they are going to do next.

233763 2 pence, replying to 2 pence, 2, #375 of 1290 🔗

Mystery death of the Briton who revealed Covid cover-up
https://twitter.com/NeilClark66/status/1324980351522004992

233847 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to 2 pence, #376 of 1290 🔗

Comments interesting. Not taken in by the DM’s hints that he died of ‘long covid’
I hope the truth, innocent explanation or otherwise, comes out.

233765 Borisbullshit, replying to Borisbullshit, 22, #377 of 1290 🔗

Can any of the left wing members on here help me out here. I am not on the Left and am an academic whose colleagues pretty much all are. I am struggling to reach them even though I think there is a very strong left wing case against lockdowns. They claim to be concerned about the poor and the disadvantaged and yet when I point out that it is they who (not least those in the third world) will be mainly affected by the lockdowns they seem indifferent.

I know the Guardian and the Independent and the BBC are their bibles and the Labour Party is their political vehicle and it does not help that those media outlets are so pro lockdown but even so why cannot they think for themselves about this? They just hide behind ‘terrible numbers of deaths’ etc but seem blind to the costs of lockdown. They are all comfortably off so is it just that their ‘concern for the poor’ is just what they say to be popular at the dinner parties or are they just paralysed by fear? Any ideas on how to get through to left wing lockdown zealots?

Not that I am saying the Right have been much better. There are plenty of lockdown zealots on the Right and people like Jacob Rees Mogg go round making the pathetic plea that Boris really loves liberty while Pritti Patel has turned into a nasty little authoritarian. These are people who even Toby and James Delingpole have waxed lyrical about only 9 months ago. Meanwhile Nigel Farage himself was a lockdown zealot in the early days and is clearly an untrustworthy opportunist.

I think it goes to show we should never be taken in by politicians from any part of the spectrum….they can all turn into something quite different when it suits. Maybe we need freedoms written into a constitution that cannot be violated by any government….I believe thats why Japan was unable to bring in lockdowns.

233769 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Borisbullshit, 2, #378 of 1290 🔗

Like The Human Rights Act?

233821 ▶▶▶ cloud6, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #379 of 1290 🔗

Is that a Joke?

233783 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to calchas, 1, #381 of 1290 🔗

Thanks I had not seen that it looks great…..much obliged.

233817 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to calchas, #382 of 1290 🔗

Interesting, the MP’s who all voted for lockdown with the government should read it

233776 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Borisbullshit, 8, #383 of 1290 🔗

Ask them why they did nothing when 64,000 plus people died in one month in Jan 2018? More than Coronavirus has allegedly “killed” in 8.

233785 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to mhcp, #384 of 1290 🔗

Thanks and yes I have tried that and they have no answer!

233790 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to mhcp, 1, #385 of 1290 🔗

Is there a FOI request to be made to see EXACTLY how the government has dispersed it propaganda budget? I’d hazard a guess that The Guardian received a lion’s share as – whatever you think of their politics now – back in March, they are the ‘paper’ I’d have picked out as most trustworthy. I’m sure HM govt have made the same calculation. The BBC are a separate beast altogether and couldn’t wait to drop Auntie’s knickers.

233788 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to Borisbullshit, #386 of 1290 🔗

Here is Heiko Khoo at Speakers Corner. Marxist and friend of Piers Corbyn.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08qc_6Te8j8

And a good interview with Paul Embery FBU and Labour member:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvAphpNCkZY&t=3s
Not specifically lockdown related but informative blue Labour view of why the modern left loathes the working class.

234032 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Andy Riley, #387 of 1290 🔗

Thanks Andy really enjoyed both of those. Embery sounds a very decent man.

233792 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Borisbullshit, 5, #388 of 1290 🔗

Remember it’s a cult. There is nothing you can do

233918 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Cecil B, 2, #389 of 1290 🔗

You can resist.

234029 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Cecil B, #390 of 1290 🔗

Yes maybe David Koresh will get in touch with them from the other side and ask them to start building some bonfires!

234786 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Borisbullshit, #391 of 1290 🔗

You do know it was the Feds who set Koresh’s building on fire ? Killing 74 men, women, and children.

233799 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Borisbullshit, 3, #392 of 1290 🔗

That was exactly what Sir Charles Walker was suggesting in his speech in the HoC on Wednesday. I have experience of academia, and I have real sympathy for your situation – non-left wing voices are in their own private echo chamber. Their mouths are fed with gold, so it will be nigh on impossible to convince them of anything. The day of reckoning is round the corner, however – if the papers haven’t been accepted by the end of the year for REF2021 there will be little teaching-only positions left to fall back on now that all the slide packs are loaded to the system!

233805 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Borisbullshit, 1, #393 of 1290 🔗

Late on yesterday’s comments thread is a discussion initiated by Country Mumkin about her GP friend’s ultra left-wing views. You’ll find that helpful I think BBS, and agree as regards NigelF, though he can help our cause used cautiously.

234027 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Rosie, 2, #394 of 1290 🔗

Ok thanks Rosie I shall try and find that thread. I am still smarting with Farage for withdrawing the Brexit Party candidate in Telford and forcing me to vote for the Tory just to get Brexit done. I shall never vote for any liblabcon again.

233806 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Borisbullshit, 5, #395 of 1290 🔗

Not that I am saying the Right have been much better. There are plenty of lockdown zealots on the Right and people like Jacob Rees Mogg go round making the pathetic plea that Boris really loves liberty while Pritti Patel has turned into a nasty little authoritarian.

There is a sense in which the whole basis of coronapanic and lockdown is fundamentally leftist – ideas of collective, state mediated coercive action for the supposed “greater good” are the essence of leftism, as is the idea of (supposedly) reasoned radicalism to change the world for the better. This, I think, is why support for panic and lockdowns has mostly been driven by the left – Guardian/BBC/trade unions/academe/SAGE etc. That’s where the hysterical accusations of herd immunity being “eugenics” and “putting,money ahead of lives” came from in February and March,.that basically rendered the sensible Swedish-style response politically impossible in the UK in March, for instance.

That said, there is a strong leftist case against lockdown, as you wrote (and see Toby’s section on exactly this ), and the liberal/authoritarian axis us not congruent with left/right. There are actual liberals (I use the term in its English rather than US sense) on the left as well as on the right (that’s probably where a lot of the leftists here on LS come from) and there are authoritarians on the right, the difference being that on the right they tend to have additional sources of authority to serve – country, nation, faith, law, tradition etc.

Supporters of lockdown on the right tend to be motivated by loyalty to party and/or law, and it’s particularly unfortunate that the government that introduced this cowardice was one nominally of the right. Many, many conservatives have kept quiet or even attacked sceptics because they see resistance to lockdown as an attack on “their” party that will result in (entirely unearned and undeserved) power for the utterly contemptible and now beyond redemption Labour Party. Others simply because they just think laws should be obeyed.

And then, of course, there are the simple cowards – hygiene obsessed disease-phobic types, who seem to be present on both sides of the political divide. I’ve heard rumours Cummins falls into that category, which would explain a lot.

233956 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Mark, 1, #396 of 1290 🔗

Cummings, not Cummins – important distinction atm.

234024 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Mark, #397 of 1290 🔗

I agree with much of that. I remember being surprised that people like Melanie Phillips and Rod Liddle accused sceptics of being siren voices of hearlessness. I believe the latter has mellowed somewhat but not sure about the former. Maybe she has now been invited back to the Guardian lunches and dinner parties she was famously excluded from!

There is no excuse after 9 months for party loyalty to come into this. We are facing the destruction of economy and civilised society here. If Tories cannot bring themselves to attack their party on this they are going down with the Titanic as well.

234161 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Borisbullshit, #398 of 1290 🔗

I agree (that there is no excuse for letting party loyalty determine one’s opinion on such an important issue), but then again my loyalty to the “Conservative” Party all but ended decades ago, when they ceased to be conservative or traditionalist in any meaningful or effective sense.

But I know from personal experience and observation of public life, that loyalty is an amazingly powerful force.

233811 ▶▶ sam, replying to Borisbullshit, 3, #399 of 1290 🔗

former left now cant stand them and this has definitively helped me hate them had started to before but the masks and lockdown nail in coffin for me

233834 ▶▶▶ TT, replying to sam, 4, #400 of 1290 🔗

The big problem with all those on the left supporting this coup is that they only listen to words but never look at actions. The left will never criticize the EU, the UN, the WHO, the health services or anything else as long as they all keep spouting treacly drivel about saving lives, being in it together, protecting the vulnerable by wearing toxic masks and yadda yadda. Those driving the madness know this very well and have structured their narrative accordingly,

233843 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to TT, 3, #401 of 1290 🔗

Good insight. They need to ‘open their eyes’ and LOOK AROUND THEM

233865 ▶▶▶▶ sam, replying to TT, #402 of 1290 🔗

thats very true . me i’ve changed completely although i never trusted the WHO or the CDC or the world bank etc before either ! couldn’t stand hillary, loved bernie, so maybe am a different left than alot . sorry am american visitor to this wonderful website and comments and love reading about british parliament and history ,all i knew of british politics was that i also could’nt stand jeremy corbyn and that was way before the flu , sorry -virus – lockdown s

234015 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to sam, 1, #403 of 1290 🔗

I still have respect for some on the Left such as spiked online or blue labour. They are terribly isolated now though and would be one of the first to the Gulag I think.

233816 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Borisbullshit, 2, #404 of 1290 🔗

I understand it’s hard for you, academia, much like government, is a very conformist, groupthinky sphere generally which can easily exclude us independent thinkers. Unfortunately zealots won’t be reasoned out of something they weren’t properly reasoned into.

234012 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to DRW, 2, #405 of 1290 🔗

Yes I concur with all that. The irony is I chose this career as I thought academic freedom meant people wanted to explore ideas. Nothing could be further from the truth it seems.

233863 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Borisbullshit, 4, #406 of 1290 🔗

Your friends are champagne socialists who only feign concern for the poor. You will not be able to win them round as they don’t particularly care.

234006 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to JHuntz, 4, #407 of 1290 🔗

They are not friends they are colleagues and you cant choose them! I am definitely not on the dinner party invite circuit and yes they do still have them whist slagging off working class covidiots who go to the beach. They just seem to hate the working class…..thats my impression.

234046 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Borisbullshit, 4, #408 of 1290 🔗

The modern left despise the working class most of all.Probably never forgiven them for voting for thatcher in large numbers.

233887 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Borisbullshit, 12, #409 of 1290 🔗

BBS: As left-wing Republican socialist and a remainer, I don’t believe this is any kind of conspiracy or a great reset or whatever it’s called.
It was and is a totally hysterical overreaction by different governments all over the world.
People who have no idea of how ordinary people live day to day.
We have to ( for the moment) forget left versus right and remain versus leave.
In normal conditions I would never ever listen to Talk radio or Peter Hitchens and any right wing party or individual but for the moment we must forget our differences and unite.
As a ex manual worker now retired, I know what it is like to be patronised by middle class Guardian readers and their ilk but equally I hate right wingers like Farage who a lot of working class people think “Nige is one of us”: No he BLOODY well isn’t and like a lot of other popularlists who proport to know how the working class lives and thinks,like Bojo, they are opportunist liars, and don’t get me started on the likes of Priti Patel and the late Cilla Black whose attitude was “I’ve made it,what’s your excuse?”
I urge all sceptics to put aside their traditional beliefs and work together to force an end to the present madness before everything is lost behond repair and then we can get back to the old “ding dong” of right versus left and leave versus remain.
GOD, HOW I MISS THOSE DAYS!!!

233911 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #410 of 1290 🔗

What is a left wing republican socialist?
Why do you not believe have you researched any of this? We are going into a second lockdown along with the majority of Europe based on dodgy science how long can we put this down to incompetence?

You are right I don’t see this as a left v right argument. I see this is an us v them and it goes much deeper than our national government.

233962 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to JHuntz, 4, #411 of 1290 🔗

I take your point, J H but I still think that the “powers that be” are in a hole of their own making” and rather than hold their hands up and say “We got it wrong” seemingly they would see the whole western world “go to hell in a handcart”
I do believe that this LD2 is Bojo’s last throw of the dice and when that is proven to have made absolutely no difference whatsoever, I think apart from the out and out collaborators, sheep and zealots,most people will go back to as normal a life as possible and wait for an opportunity to boot the present pathetic government and the equally useless opposition parties out.
What will happen after that, who knows but it’s got to be better than the present situation.

233992 ▶▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #412 of 1290 🔗

Fair, I totally agree with not assigning malice where it is just as easy to assign incompetence. However, this LD2 is so wholly inconsistent with the data to be a legitimate response in my opinion. I agree the public will be worn thin after this, hopefully this will test the zealots resolve.

234116 ▶▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #413 of 1290 🔗

Booting out our useless government is not going to cut it!

Any analysis of this scenario has to include the very real forces that are shaping our world such as the advance of AI especially biometrics which allow increasing bodily invasion of privacy and increased medical surveillance. This idea that somehow we will ‘go back to as normal a life as possible’ I find unbelievable. Let’s see what Davos brings….

In the past I have felt free to travel, in the future I will undoubtedly need a Health Pass. In the past my grandchildren were only given tried and tested vaccines for serious illnesses, but if this casedemic continues for more than a year or so I’m sure the youngest will be vaccinated against COVID even if the risk is negligible.
I get frustrated with the amount of posts that focus on our prime minister or government alone.

233949 ▶▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #414 of 1290 🔗

I agree – apart from the remainer bit, I’m a libertarian and the EU is incompatible with that.

It’s an overreaction based on the complete infantilisation of the public, who believe government can legislate against everything from death to having your feelings hurt:

Of course you lefties are completely responsible for that – but yeah, it’s not longer about left and right: it’s about liberty and the right to live free vs authoritarianism. We should put aside political differences until we’ve crushed the bigger enemy.

234003 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #415 of 1290 🔗

Yes very much agree with you….I cant see those days returning anytime soon though! You sound as pissed off with the Left as I am with the Right. The left wing lockdown zealots dont get to me as I am used to being on the other side to them its the so called freedom loving conservatives in name only who really get my goat. I would enjoy being in a room with one of them for an hour…I suspect only one of us would come out haha. Rees mogg tells us Boris is a freedom lover…..what a prat you are mogg…I can see now why you made that tactless remark about Grenfell Tower.

234033 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Borisbullshit, 1, #416 of 1290 🔗

Pissed off with the lot of em.

234657 ▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Fingerache Philip., #417 of 1290 🔗

That is a great post .As a republican and a socialist i stand with you .On Brexit i have to disagree and am a leaver .But i 100% agree we should put it all to one side and join together in unity .Our freedom is the only thing to concern ourselves with right now .

233976 ▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to Borisbullshit, 2, #418 of 1290 🔗

At my university there is very little lockdown scepticism among academic staff.

I have noticed (through observing the left’s response to Brexit and now its response to the coronavirus) quite how far the mask has slipped.

Many – not all – on the left today have an impulse towards authoritarianism. Their commitment to democracy is weak. The importance of the right to freedom of opinion and expression is often downplayed. Academics are very susceptible to ‘groupthink’.

Listen to the utter contempt with which a professor speaks to two lockdown sceptical callers on Nicky Campbell’s 5 Live Breakfast this week:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000p1k2

(at around 28:08 and then around 47:45).

After reading Nancy MacLean’s Democracy in Chains , I am very wary personally about calls for a written constitution.

But we can do is cling to what is true, and support every initiative, no matter how small, which extends democracy.

233998 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 3, #419 of 1290 🔗

Yes I agree about the groupthink….I get the honest impression they think if you are not part of the group you must be stupid. This is not healthy as everything must be subject to continuous criticism. I dont remember it being like that as much when I was a student at university…people seemed to be more openminded then. Now its all about good verses evil and we are seen as evil!

234038 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Borisbullshit, 3, #420 of 1290 🔗

The majority of the left couldn’t care less about the poor.They are motivated by envy of the rich and would love to trade places with them.They are in secure state jobs on full pay and until they are impacted personally they won’t care.
A lot of generalisations I know but that’s my opinion.

234341 ▶▶ jojo, replying to Borisbullshit, 1, #421 of 1290 🔗

An interview in the lefty Jacobin magazine with Katherine Yih and Martin Kulldorff about America’s COVID-19 response and how poor households have borne a disproportionate share of the pandemic’s hardship.

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2020/09/covid-19-pandemic-economy-us-response-inequality

234646 ▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Borisbullshit, #422 of 1290 🔗

The problem is so many on the right confuse the left with liberalism .Johnson and Starmer are just liberals .On economics they are both for the free market Starmer slightly less so .On cultural issues they both believe in all the identity politics Johnson slightly less so . Socialism is not Liberalism nor is Anarchism or communism . Much of the right are very clumsy when talking about this stuff and have never read there opponents politics .The people you work with are clearly middle class liberals who for all their crocodile tears will never go out of their comfort zone until it effects them .Maybe when their kids are trying to overdose at uni they may wake up but until then it will be netflix and sourdough bread making . There are many on the left who do believe in freedom and have shown their commitment to it over the years by fighting and dying for it and as you can see their are many on this site fighting for it now .Just to let you know i’m on the left .I voted for brexit , i like my country i believe in border controls,i am against the trans insanity and i have been against the lockdown from day one .

234811 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to wat tyler, #423 of 1290 🔗

You seem to be using liberal in a slightly odd way, perhaps confining it to “free market” economics, which I would regard as a relatively trivial aspect of liberalism (in the UK sense). Context suggests this is a leftist jargon use of the term, like the related “neoliberal”. In the real world, economics is only one relatively small part of politics, even though it can be very important in some aspects.

Starmer certainly is no liberal. Whatever his views on how best to structure economic exchange, he is absolutely an authoritarian of a particularly loathsome kind. Johnson has demonstrated by his actions over the coronapanic that he is in fact an authoritarian, despite his now clearly false past posturing as a traditionalist liberal.

233781 Edward, 14, #424 of 1290 🔗

I’ve had two more replies to my messages of thanks to the 38 MPs who voted against the second lockdown – Henry Smith, and John Redwood, no less, who says “Thanks, I’ll keep trying”.

In town this morning, not at all busy but more shops open than in the first lockdown. The council-run market hall is closed despite having various food outlets. The fish and flower stalls are open this time – they’re outside the hall. A place which sells bathroom tiles etc is open – it’s mainly retail rather than trade but I expect it counts as a building supplier. In the indoor shopping centre the lights are on so it’s slightly less miserable than the first time. No queuing at the supermarket though they count numbers of customers. The queuing was a miserable feature of the previous lockdown, but presumably the miraculous masks (and my exemption badge) are considered to obviate the need.

233801 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 12, #426 of 1290 🔗

The evidence continues to be overwhelming that this is a fraud, to instigate an Agenda. There are many prominent people from all walks of life who see it now but it shows no sign of abating. Anyone see things differently?

233803 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #427 of 1290 🔗

No Dan, you’ve got it.

233824 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Dan Clarke, 5, #428 of 1290 🔗

I view this through the lens of monetary events, work and savings occupying such prominent places in our lives as they do, as physical reality demands.

Premise : very many signs that our financial system is at an end. something new must come. Mathematically unavoidable.

Possibility One (optimistic):

The measures are intended to establish an infrastructure for the distribution of essential goods and to maintain public order during a turbulent transition period, followed by freedom.

Possibility Two (pessimistic)

The measures are intended to do all that is there in Possibility One, but not just for a transition period, but rather will form the basis of some kind of future ‘control grid’

Possibility Three (mildly optimistic)

The measures are intended to resist as much as possible the forces of economic gravity now bringing our current monetary order to an end, because that end will have as a consequence the loss of power and privilege for many at the top of he current order, including through the loss of jobs and savings and the destruction of living standards resulting in a collapse of legitimacy for those at the top of the current system.

234044 ▶▶▶ Alexei, replying to calchas, #429 of 1290 🔗

Brilliant and incisive summation.

I think the gap between “Cockup Theorists” and “Conspiracy Theorists” is largely explained by the latter having a greater exposure to finance, economics and monetary history.

If you’re at all astute in these areas, the question “why are they doing this?” is very easily answered. To others, it must be an unfathomable mystery.

233809 PhilipF, replying to PhilipF, 12, #430 of 1290 🔗

The falling leaves drift by my window
The falling leaves of red and gold
I see your lips the summer kisses
The sunburned hands I used to hold

Since you went away the days grow long
And soon I’ll hear old winter’s song
But I miss you most of all my darling
When autumn leaves start to fall

233836 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to PhilipF, 2, #431 of 1290 🔗

Beautiful song, from the days when love mattered.

233968 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to PhilipF, 2, #432 of 1290 🔗

See the link about masks and plastic pollution, horrible!

233818 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #433 of 1290 🔗

If the government, the Cabinet, Johnson are being blackmailed, as has been suggested, what can anyone do?

233825 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Dan Clarke, #434 of 1290 🔗

I find it hard to believe they are being blackmailed due to Johnsons’s and his father’s known desire to depopulate the world…

233833 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Carrie, 4, #435 of 1290 🔗

I think it’s a bit of both, Carrie. As Johnson begins to wake up to the reality of what he has lazily signed up to, if he shows any sign of not playing their game, they know how to twist his arm. People do not suddenly become that malign, it’s a process.

233846 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Rosie, 3, #436 of 1290 🔗

I believe it was John Major who signed the UK up to the reset /climate agenda (though it was not called that at the time). Signed in 1992.

233853 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Carrie, 4, #437 of 1290 🔗

The Chinese dissident group which revealed the truth about Hunter Biden said a few weeks back, “Don’t you think there is no British Hunter Biden?

234531 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Londo Mollari, #438 of 1290 🔗

Lude media? They said a lot about the Camerons’ links to China (both Call me Dave and SamCam) and that they had information on Johnson, that they would give in due course. Not listened for a while now though.. must do that..

233827 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Dan Clarke, 16, #439 of 1290 🔗

Talk to one another and keep people out of the brainwashing soup and sane/functional.

This is the reason Toby doesn’t want to discuss conspiracies, because it can encourage people to give up. For me, I want to know enough about their grotesque plans so that we can have effective counter strategies.

Use the information to fire your anger and determination, because this Shiiteshow has only just begun, and unless we delay it and then stop it, we will either be dead or wish that we were dead by about a year from now. If you don’t want that for the people you love then set to work, all day and every day.

233835 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Rosie, 8, #440 of 1290 🔗

Great post Rosie!

I think we all need to make an extra eort to talk to people in the real physical wold.

I sense an increasing hunger for human contact everywhere.

The laws of life are on our side.

233837 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to calchas, 1, #441 of 1290 🔗

‘extra effort’

sorry!

233912 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to calchas, 3, #442 of 1290 🔗

You are so, so right.
Life always finds a way. It will this time.

233849 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Rosie, 1, #443 of 1290 🔗

Thanks Rosie, i’ve got a laminator and cable ties arriving today to start making posters. Do we now have a site with templates?

233910 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to JHuntz, #444 of 1290 🔗

Fantastic, that’s the spirit!
One here though only A5 https://www.beautyandthebeastlytruth.com/post/covid-rules-sayno-use-this-to-print-your-own-leaflet

and Mabel Cow does some great ones hopefully someone will post the link

233947 ▶▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Rosie, 1, #445 of 1290 🔗

Thanks Rosie, hopefully Mabel posts a link also at some point today.

233960 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to JHuntz, #446 of 1290 🔗

I can’t keep up.

Is there an organised person who can set up a site with structured links so that we can find things easily, please.

Urgently required.

234438 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to JHuntz, #447 of 1290 🔗

Posters at baffledcow.com .

LS mirror at panscepticon.org .

I’m working on improvements to Panscepticon right now. If I pull my finger out, I can start acting as an assembly point soon.

234613 ▶▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to JHuntz, #448 of 1290 🔗

Mabel cows ones are in the forum ,find the general discussion bit and look for the link tee shirts and posters or ask her and i think she has own link .

233889 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Rosie, 1, #449 of 1290 🔗

What can we do, apart from sign things, contribute, change minds, have done that already… all the big guns against this seem to be running into walls.

233915 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Dan Clarke, #450 of 1290 🔗

Any number of things. What are your particular skills/resources?

233938 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #451 of 1290 🔗

and keep at it ! keep going

Read The Lord of the Rings if you need to be shown the way.

233967 ▶▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #452 of 1290 🔗

tie up (not literally of course) any police trying to enforce lockdown rules with friendly polite time wasting – not arguing, not trying to change their minds – just wasting their time with constant questions, request for explanations etc. every hour that you can waste with one officer means that they won’t be hassling 400 other people

233828 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #453 of 1290 🔗

In Johnson’s case I think he’s only interested in Brexit-once the FTD is signed his legacy is assured. Then he’ll clear off

233880 ▶▶▶ chris, replying to crimsonpirate, 3, #454 of 1290 🔗

agree

233838 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #455 of 1290 🔗

Not a very plausible suggestion, tbh.

Individuals being pressured eg by whips, on the basis of info they’d rather was kept quiet, perfectly possibly (indeed likely). But such pressures are likely to be in various directions,according to who holds the info.

Some kind of organised conspiracy with data collection abilities and powers allowing them to control all powerful people in government, let alone wider society, and systematically use it to control policy? Pretty implausible, imo.

233870 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Mark, #456 of 1290 🔗

You’re ignoring the fact that this has been a long time in the planning I think. There will be leverage of some kind involved.

233919 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to leggy, 2, #457 of 1290 🔗

Not seen any remotely sufficient evidence to support an assertion of long term planning of events overall. Opportunism, based on hypotheticals, for sure.

Based on what I’ve seen produced, my response tends to be: how many other completely different world changing scenarios could you come up with similar arguments and kinds of evidence for having been “planned in advance” for, if enough people looked hard enough? The world is a big, complicated place, with an awful lot of people, groups and agendas in it.

234119 ▶▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Mark, #458 of 1290 🔗

Do you not remember Pandremix in 2009?

234151 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to leggy, #459 of 1290 🔗

No.

233884 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Mark, 2, #460 of 1290 🔗

I hate the conspiracy roads but it seems they wanted Johnson in at this time, May was too squeaky clean. Agenda 21 seems very plausible

233926 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #461 of 1290 🔗

I’ve not been convinced of any “they” who could have, would have, and plausibly did manipulate events to this level.

233942 ▶▶▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Mark, 2, #462 of 1290 🔗

Agreed. It’s not just Johnson remember, it’s governments across the world.

234020 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Mark, 2, #463 of 1290 🔗

There is a clear direction of travel to vaccine ,digital passport,digital currency.These are long standing aims of globalist actors,Whether they caused this or quickly saw the potential is immaterial.It is undeniable that this is happening.

234154 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #464 of 1290 🔗

There are numerous clear directions of travel, many of them favoured by globalists of various kinds.

That this current nonsense is being exploited by all of them is indeed beyond doubt.

234627 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Mark, #465 of 1290 🔗

Hi Mark i am not in the conspiracy camp and there are quite a few still here who are not but what i would say is its pointless arguing about this stuff because you will never convince them . The best thing to do is put all your energy into ending lockdown .One of the most interesting things iv’e heard today on here is the amount of people making posters and leaflets and getting them out .If everyone of us spent a couple of hours a day on propaganda instead of arguing over what caused it all we could have England covered in graffiti and posters in a week .

234809 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to wat tyler, #466 of 1290 🔗

I hear you, for sure, and you have a valid point. On the other hand I think it’s also still beneficial not to let particular views go completely unchallenged here, so that readers can know they are not universally shared.

234009 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Dan Clarke, #467 of 1290 🔗

Precisely which “they” are you referring to?

233826 PWL, replying to PWL, 5, #468 of 1290 🔗

It’s a hoax. I t doesn’t matter if a test works or not if they are inventing the results.

A list of FBEL’s Covid-19 articles – and brief comments regarding continuation of coronahoax

233862 ▶▶ calchas, replying to PWL, 4, #469 of 1290 🔗

“As declared many times before at this site, the UK Government won’t stop until it is made to, and the power to do this will come through an opposition that in unison states the actuality of a hoax, and so chops the UK Government’s justification for its activity off at the legs”

233908 ▶▶ Julian, replying to PWL, 2, #470 of 1290 🔗

I doubt it is a hoax but am not sure

What I am sure of is that calling it a hoax will win very little support among those we need to convince

233955 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Julian, 2, #471 of 1290 🔗

When we talk to people one-to-one, we ask them and listen to them first. Then go on to the next stage.

People who ‘need convincing’ are at many stages, and the opinion that this is a ‘hoax’ is all-but unanimous among the Daily Mail comments now.

234007 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Rosie, 3, #472 of 1290 🔗

Well I will have to take your word for it regarding the DM comments, but the people I talk to believe the virus exists and that it probably hastened some deaths. It depends what you mean by “hoax”. That word to me means something that is entirely invented. The idea of a deadly virus that would kill unprecedented numbers of people might be a hoax, though I tend to think it was just a wild overreaction that people are now fixated on, but I don’t see much point in trying to claim it doesn’t exist at all, unless you want to put people off.

The easiest case to make is that the measures taken do more harm than good and are disproportionate to the threat.

233829 AnotherSceptic, 4, #473 of 1290 🔗

More fiddling of the figures. & the numbers in my area are not high at all. But, the last reported date on this chart, they are suddenly at….7!

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2785347135017740&id=1691194827766315&_ft_=mf_story_key.2785347135017740%3Atop_level_post_id.2785347135017740%3Atl_objid.2785347135017740%3Acontent_owner_id_new.1691194827766315%3Athrowback_story_fbid.2785347135017740%3Apage_id.1691194827766315%3Aphoto_id.2785346681684452%3Astory_location.4%3Astory_attachment_style.photo%3Atds_flgs.3%3Aott.AX9vJg5ACu52iV1i&__tn__=%2C%3B

I reckon el presidente sturgeon will now implement a full scale lockdown based on these low numbers.

Fucking idiots in the Scottish government & all because of the flu.

233832 Zak Thelotofem, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 8, #474 of 1290 🔗

Scintillating new piece by Ivor Cummins and colleague

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eJuj0rx-48&t=2823s

Unmissable!

233839 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 2, #475 of 1290 🔗

Watched it with a beer or two last night. Essential viewing.

234607 ▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Zak Thelotofem, #476 of 1290 🔗

Its great and anyone who hasn’t watched please do and share with your friends .

233851 Adam, 1, #477 of 1290 🔗

End operation moonshit and the sorry Premiership of Boris Johnson, protect the vulnerable everyone else with precautions can get on with their lives https://www.saveourrights.uk

233859 Awkward Git, 1, #478 of 1290 🔗

Had some music on random play, an old song I’ve not heard in years came on and it struck a chord:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYs_wfI899M

I believe in woman,
my oh my
I believe in lovin’,
my oh my
Don’t a women need a man, try and catch one if you can
I believe in woman,
my oh my

We all need someone to talk to
my oh my
We all need someone to talk to
my oh my
Ya need a shoulder to cry on, call me I’ll be standing by
We all need someone to talk to
my oh my

We all need a lot of lovin’
my oh my
Yeah, a whole lot of lovin’
my oh my
I can lend a helpin’ hand if you ain’t go nothing planned
We all need some lovin’
my oh my

So let’s all swing together
my oh my
We can all swing together
my oh my
You’ve got troubles on your own, no need to face them all alone
We can all swing together my oh my

So let’s all pull together
my oh my…
ya let’s all pull together
my oh my
we can ride the stormy weather
if we all get out and try
so let’s all pull together
my oh my
yaeh let’s all pull together
my oh myyyyy…

Showing my age now.

233868 Jo, replying to Jo, 67, #479 of 1290 🔗

I was challenged about not wearing a mask today for the first time. Although I left having received an apology for “offending me” (to which I replied “you have offended me”), I was shaking with rage. I had thought that simply by saying I was exempt she would stop, but no, continued in the small farm shop in front of loads of people to tell me that she couldn’t know if I was exempt unless she challenged me and I should wear a lanyard etc. Of course I did the bit about who can challenge me and that she was contravening DD act blah but she didn’t actually shut up until her boss walked in – who had just been chatting with my partner – they know each other – and he said something, but I don’t know what because I was so angry I had become more or less oblivious to my surroundings.
For the first time in my 59 year life I understand why, and how, civil war happens.

233876 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Jo, 39, #480 of 1290 🔗

The gullible are ruining the lives of everyone

233877 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Jo, 33, #481 of 1290 🔗

I had a couple of dirty looks in the post office today. I just smiled back at them. I don’t hate them for it, I pity their weakness at succombing to the brainwashing.

233917 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to leggy, 13, #482 of 1290 🔗

I reckon keeping cool is the hardest demand – but I reckon it pays.

233897 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Jo, 28, #483 of 1290 🔗

I’m waiting to be challenged, but in the meantime I have never walked prouder (cheesy but true) knowing that if the Nazi’s had started to uprise in my Country i’d have fought back. The majority of the sheep would be cheering the gestapo on.

233902 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to JHuntz, 11, #484 of 1290 🔗

You only have to see what happened in the Channel Islands. It would have been the same here too.

234389 ▶▶▶ sam, replying to JHuntz, 5, #485 of 1290 🔗

my friend in france said previuos generations had ww2 and ww1 and now we have this. i felt like saying ,no people had courage back then but then thought well in france there were an awful lot of collaborators but very few members of the resistance . so yes i can see the similarity .however as of now anyway my friend would be a collaborator . i’m glad to say we here would definitley be in the resisistance .

234755 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to JHuntz, 1, #486 of 1290 🔗

“The majority of the sheep would be cheering the gestapo on” .

 Yes they would and it seems they still are.

233899 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Jo, 12, #487 of 1290 🔗

We need urgent formal advice on how to deal with these problems, both as regards the ‘regulations’ and our Common Law rights to disregard them as immoral and unconstitutional.

I’ve written to this outfit https://ukconstitutionallaw.org/contact/
and suggest others follow suit, and use Twitter etc to contact Lord Sumption, Francis Hoare and anyone else you can think of.

233907 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Rosie, 7, #488 of 1290 🔗

I agree – we could do with some clear & concise bullet-points on rights as they apply in key areas currently.

233932 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to RickH, 3, #489 of 1290 🔗

Get emailing people, then such as the various people involved in hosting Lord Sumption’s address (Freshfields and a Cambridge centre)

233905 ▶▶ annie, replying to Jo, 13, #490 of 1290 🔗

I know exactly how you feel, Jo.
Just remember that you are perfectly, wholly, entirely entitled to refuse to be muzzled.
It can be hard, being in the right.
Take your rage and let it put fire in your belly!

233878 calchas, replying to calchas, 3, #491 of 1290 🔗

Does anybody know what has happened to that Danish Mask Study which was waiting for publication?

Has it now been effectively buried for not coming to the right conclusion?

233893 ▶▶ RickH, replying to calchas, 8, #492 of 1290 🔗

I think the latest is that it is still hanging fire, pending acceptance in a publication.

The authors are really keen that they aren’t see to bypass the standard process of publication > peer review – I assume because they want to be squeaky clean on process.

I guess the non-publication actually speaks volumes about the pressure being exercised in terms of censorship : the official narrative obviously can’t stand up to examination.

233931 ▶▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to RickH, #493 of 1290 🔗

It is possible that the Danish authorities will demand to at least see the thing in time, especially following the mink outbreak..

233936 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to RickH, 1, #494 of 1290 🔗

They’ll be waiting a long time. It’s like blacklisting in Hollywood.

233995 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to RickH, #495 of 1290 🔗

Let’s not kid ourselves. There will be a long line of ‘peers’ queuing up to trash this study. Whoever gives it the biggest kick wins the internet for a day or two.

233888 Steeve, replying to Steeve, 7, #496 of 1290 🔗

How many of us are using this website on a regular basis? Its hard to tell as I see a lot of comments from the same bunch of people.

Just looked -The result of the Thumbs Up survey yesterday was 238

233913 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Steeve, 1, #497 of 1290 🔗

Eh? Why not e mail Toby and ask him?

233993 ▶▶ Simon, replying to Steeve, 1, #498 of 1290 🔗

The email is enough to convey the message. Any visits to the site are likely to be to the forum. And not every post is seen or even read.

WordPress can track usage stats with the right plugin.

233895 assoc, 4, #499 of 1290 🔗

The problem is, of course, that Boris and Cummings have both read Machiavelli and know/believe that the first duty of the Prince is to make war. Unfortunately this enemy is invisible and it is likely that no victory is can ever be possible. I just can’t see a solution

233898 dommo, replying to dommo, 2, #500 of 1290 🔗

complete this sentence in an apt & amusing manner:

“in a country with 52,000,000 adults of which only 126.000 are police officers…”

233901 ▶▶ Julian, replying to dommo, 6, #501 of 1290 🔗

I think you’ve over counted the adults

233921 ▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Julian, 2, #502 of 1290 🔗

presumably you’re talking metaphorically rather than literally?

233904 ▶▶ calchas, replying to dommo, 4, #503 of 1290 🔗

..it is necessary for the authorities to get the population to police each other.”

233916 ▶▶▶ dommo, replying to calchas, 3, #504 of 1290 🔗

and if the population refuses to do so..

233923 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to dommo, 2, #505 of 1290 🔗

Then those ‘authorities’ lose authority.

233930 ▶▶▶▶▶ dommo, replying to calchas, 2, #506 of 1290 🔗

well i never!

233934 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to dommo, 2, #507 of 1290 🔗

It’s in our hands.

233935 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ dommo, replying to calchas, 1, #508 of 1290 🔗

it most certainly is

233945 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to dommo, 2, #509 of 1290 🔗

Exactly.
Well said. Now we need those lawyers to explain our feet-on-the-ground rights and strategies. Please start emailing and FBing and Tweeting them. Nag away at those at the top ….. otherwise, when we live in an authoritarian state that has n use for lawyers, they will join us at the bottom.

233925 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to dommo, 4, #510 of 1290 🔗

Why on earth are we living in a police state???

233928 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 2, #511 of 1290 🔗

And have you seen the state of the Police?

233984 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to OKUK, 2, #512 of 1290 🔗

Physically they are not the force they once were,but the threat of them still breeds conformity to the law.The diverse members of society have worked this out and are mainly left to their own devices

233985 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to OKUK, 1, #513 of 1290 🔗

Common purpose goons. Glorified PR plebs

234187 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to stefarm, #514 of 1290 🔗

Not all of them. Most obviously want to continue to police by consent on behalf of the community.

234041 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, #515 of 1290 🔗

Problem. We don’t have any police. Pseudo police state?

234110 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to dommo, 1, #516 of 1290 🔗

“…there are simply not enough police officers to issue tickets to everyone ignoring the lockdown.” That’s why civil disobedience works and there is power in numbers.

234181 ▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 1, #517 of 1290 🔗

VIRES IN NUMERIS!!!

233914 ianric, replying to ianric, 7, #518 of 1290 🔗

Since lockdown has anyone seen favourite businesses you enjoy using go bust.

234239 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to ianric, 2, #519 of 1290 🔗

Two of the largest nightclubs in Northern Ireland have gone to the wall. One of them has been going for 40 years almost

234598 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to ianric, #520 of 1290 🔗

An independent coffee shop near my workplace that I have intermittently used has gone bust. And Herman ze German where Mr Bart & I would go for our curry wurst fix.

233920 Buby1976, 18, #521 of 1290 🔗

I’d like to draw attention to a country which is fortunately far away from the “1st world” and pretty much off any tourist maps. I’m spending a few weeks in this country. Nice tropical weather, check, friendly people, check, everything open, check, hustle and bustle, check. Do you fancy bars with hundreds of customers, live bands, no”directions” on the floors, no disinfectant and no nauseating announcements every 5 seconds? A country where you can fly directly from the UK with no need to quarantine if you take PCR test before you fly? Ladies and gents, welcome to Bangladesh! It’s not all roses though, the country is poor, many people wear masks on the streets (majority under their chin or dangling by their ears and the enforcement is zero). But it is a country desperate to get back on its feet. So if you value your mental sanity and you want to help some of the most welcoming people I’ve ever met, do yourself a favor and consider Bangladesh! PS – due to the UK lockdown you need to travel for business, so you need an invitation, but there are ways.

233943 RickH, replying to RickH, 15, #522 of 1290 🔗

Just reflecting. I’ve always been wary of simple conspiracy explanations, but after this week, and the now transparent fiddling of numbers, I reckon it’s getting impossible to see this whole world-wide shit-show just as an accident caused by group-think and incompetence.

This second lock-up is so ridiculous on all counts – so unjustified by evidence – that it is clearly a conscious scam.

233948 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to RickH, 2, #523 of 1290 🔗

Well summarised. That’s something that many can see, so now is an excellent opportunity to talk to people around us.

We need more activists, and more people who will resist in their own lives even if they can’t be persuaded to join us. Maybe one day a light will turn on, they will see what this means for their children, their survival instincts finally kick in, and they will join us.

234596 ▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Rosie, #524 of 1290 🔗

If we all spent as much time fighting to end lockdown instead of fighting over what caused it we would be well on our way to liberating our society .

233970 ▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 1, #525 of 1290 🔗

Scam by whom, for what purpose?

If you are saying, intentional deception by SAGE scientists desperate to avoid admitting having been wrong, enabled by government figures equally desperate not to be proven to have been wrong, fine. That seems to be the simplest suggestion that fits the facts.

If you are going to propose something darker and bigger, you should perhaps be clear which of the usual demonic suspects you have in mind – “big business”, jews, international communists, aliens?

Because if you have no particular group in mind, because you have insufficient evidence to say who is behind it and why, then it seems you are just reaching for a more complex explanation when the aforementioned simple one should suffice.

233994 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Mark, 3, #526 of 1290 🔗

Those who want a sustainable world, want to stop consumerism, stop travel, stop capitalism, want to reduce the population, ID is needed for that one, best form, Vaccine. Can’t live without your vaccine number. It all comes under one big umbrella, called the reset.

234002 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #527 of 1290 🔗

Well those individuals and groups who represent them are certainly making the most of this, but that doesn’t mean they planned it or are giving orders.

What groups exactly are giving orders, to whom, and how?

234019 ▶▶▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Julian, -2, #528 of 1290 🔗

Go hide behind your sofa.

234059 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to AnotherSceptic, 4, #529 of 1290 🔗

Not sure what that is supposed to mean. Too subtle for me.

I asked a series of perfectly reasonable questions to try and understand DanClarke’s position more fully.

“Go hide behind your sofa” is just abuse meaning either your argument is weak or you are too lazy to make it, which is just rude.

On a general note, I never downvote posts. If there’s a post I take issue with, I ignore it or try and give a counter argument.

234096 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Julian, 2, #530 of 1290 🔗

That is a good question.As usual follow the money.IMF/World bank are involved. UN/WEF also.As to how orders are given and to who.National leaders are obviously following a blueprint and timetable.It differs slightly in each country as they adapt the plan to each national character and what they can get away with
We are not privy to the workings but as you see it being played out you can surmise to how and when.
Can you not see that lockdown 2 was co co ordinated across Europe ?

234017 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mark, 3, #531 of 1290 🔗

Your last paragraph is illogical, given what I’ve said : which is only that it is more than likely intentionality behind what is happening. My Occam’s razor is actually what has led to this conclusion.

I avoid the term ‘conspiracy’, because I don’t much believe in the simplistic notion of secluded groups groups sitting around in darkened room plotting like James Bond villains – and certainly not as in your comic-book interpretation.

I’m talking about a cluster of varied interests consciously pushing for connected ends – i.e that this isn’t just an accident of human folly, even tho’ cock-ups and bumbling incompetence can be also seen. The difference is that the incompetents are being consciously used, and pushed in a certain direction. Mike Yeadon’s notion of convergent interests fits the bill.

The point I’m making is that the sort of human frailty that you describe (not wanting to appear stupid) just simply isn’t enough of an explanation. The deliberation behind the false narrative, the energy and resources put into idiotic enterprise is more than a self-compounding accident. There is clearly intentionality – which is why I use the word ‘scam’. People are being pushed around by a massive propaganda initiative.

I would still use parsimonious description – and that leads to the old, old favourite of ‘follow the money’ – i.e of global capital playing a massive role – exercised through major global networks like the WHO and the WEF. I leave other agendas for others to argue about.

234141 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, #532 of 1290 🔗

You appear to be arguing with me without actually disagreeing.

Reread my comment, and pay particular attention to the second paragraph, and the “if” clause at the beginning of the second paragraph.

The best I can make out from your comment, most of which appears to be a simple overreaction, is that your disagreement with my second paragraph is merely one of emphasis, that you wish to stress the importance of the opportunists with convergent objectives pushing outcomes, but not being “behind everything”..

In which case, why make the initial comment in the way you did, giving the impression, at least, that you are referring to something more?

Although your dark reference to “global capital”, as though George Soros and the Koch brothers are on the same side, suggest you might be just another fantasist.

234018 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Mark, -3, #533 of 1290 🔗

I think you are Matt Wankock in disguise.

234078 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Mark, 2, #534 of 1290 🔗

Start at Bill Gates.Financial links to nearly all the main players in this.Actually ran a pandemic simulation called Event 201 in October.Coincidence or what.
Move on to the WEF pushing their great reset.
Look at IMF who promised the leader of Belarus loans and support if he lockdowned.
It takes more faith now to believe this is all down to incompetence than to believe their is something darker going on.
It is not a conspiracy when they tell you what they are doing.You are just not listening enough

234097 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 2, #535 of 1290 🔗

Incompetence vs Conspiracy is a false dichotomy

I wouldn’t trust Gates an inch and feel he is probably a bad influence, but I don’t think he, or anyone else, is sending instructions to the PM. The PM is probably keen to be part of various global movements he sees as attractive, so he can feel like he has his finger on the pulse, but he could quite easily, tomorrow, change course.

234180 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Julian, -1, #536 of 1290 🔗

I’ve got 4 pages Julian with a brief introduction. Read them all, a skim read should be enough. ‘Conspiracy lite’ it doesn’t name many of the players and is more about bad ideas that grand a mechanistic conspiracy.
https://www.beautyandthebeastlytruth.com/what-is-going-on

234516 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Julian, #537 of 1290 🔗

BJ has been photographed with Gates…and has met him this year.

233951 stevie, 17, #538 of 1290 🔗

Guardian The UK ’s largest police force has apologised after journalists and photographers covering an anti-lockdown protest were told to leave and threatened with arrest.
Journalists at the demonstration protesting the new national lockdown in England in Trafalgar Square on Thursday were reportedly told by officers they were not seen as essential workers and needed special permission from London’s Metropolitan police service to be present.
The reported incidents took place as police clashed with protesters in the capital on the first day of the month-long second lockdown, with more than 200 arrests.
The Society of Editors (SoE) has written to the Home Office and the Met seeking “urgent clarification” that photographers and journalists will be able to cover protests which take place under the new lockdown measures in England.
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233952 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 6, #539 of 1290 🔗

Dear Lock Down – this is something you have to watch and share

London Has Fallen | Financial Collapse – Shocking Video of Central London
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd2-VY6roL0

From Neil McCoy-Ward

Financial Crisis | What To Expect Next
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLwwUG9M7Sc

From Neil McCoy-Ward

233963 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 3, #540 of 1290 🔗

Thanks, I had seen the first video and watching the second video now. Absolutely shocking this is economic insanity.

233989 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #541 of 1290 🔗

The Reset where the government scoops up the bankrupt businesses by wiping the slate clean and employing the former owner and staff. Corbyn would be proud

234066 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #542 of 1290 🔗

It’s worse now with all the retail and pubs,restaurants which had reopened now closed again

233953 annie, replying to annie, 6, #544 of 1290 🔗

I just had a look at the Broadgreen School website. I wanted to check that the dump actually existed, because that letter was so awful that I thought it must be fake.

Here’s what they say about their happy little barcodes:

If this is the first contact that you have had with our school, please continue browsing. I hope our website gives you a clear picture of who we are and why we are so unique. We hope you will continue learning about our fabulous school and consider joining us on a seven year journey, taking you through Key Stage 3, 4 and Sixth Form and then onwards as we celebrate together the opening of doors for our young people, watching as they go on to live happy, fulfilled lives.

By ‘doors’, I presume they mean ‘dungeon doors’, and by ‘happy fulfilled lives’, they mean ‘a miserable existence from which every human contact has been eliminated’.

233957 ▶▶ calchas, replying to annie, 3, #545 of 1290 🔗

The lowest of God’s creatures – the collaborator with an inhuman agenda for monetary gain.

234125 ▶▶ kf99, replying to annie, 5, #546 of 1290 🔗

“so unique”. What would my English teacher say…?

234523 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to annie, #547 of 1290 🔗

Is that a 2nd school using bar codes? Or the same one that was mentioned earlier?

233954 calchas, replying to calchas, 9, #548 of 1290 🔗

We need to start leaving this URL everywhere, if we are not doing so already:

http://www.lockdownsceptics.org

walls, bus shelters, lampposts, you name it.

233958 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to calchas, 4, #549 of 1290 🔗

Tried this – most people can’t get past the title. I get called a conspiracy theorist and that hurts my feelings.

233971 ▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #550 of 1290 🔗

A punch to their throat will make you feel less hurty feels

233990 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #551 of 1290 🔗

Maybe Toby could get another URL that ‘lands’ on this page

234062 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #552 of 1290 🔗

A while back it was suggested here that the name might be changed. I would certainly get more undecided people to read this board if it was called Lockdown Detectives or COVID Investigators or some such. Suggestions anyone?

234164 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Marialta, #553 of 1290 🔗

I originally suggested Lockdown Reality . Why not post these ideas to Toby?

234524 ▶▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Rosie, #554 of 1290 🔗

I will!

234526 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Rosie, #555 of 1290 🔗

Good idea Rosie!

234004 ▶▶ LuluJo, replying to calchas, 11, #556 of 1290 🔗

I have some business cards with the Lockdown Sceptics website address on them. I leave them stuck on lampposts, bus shelters, public noticeboards, dog poo bins anywhere I can put them. It’s my daily mission to replace any that are taken down or defaced (and yes, people do that!) They don’t realise it just makes me more determined, lol! They’re also useful to hand out if you get into conversation with someone even vaguely sceptical.

234287 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to calchas, 1, #557 of 1290 🔗

I have some sticky labels which just say, ‘The Pandemic is Over’ and have the lockdownsceptics URL. Stick them on other signs as I walk around.

233965 Silke David, 14, #558 of 1290 🔗

I stayed away for my mental health sake, but I dared to look at the news pages from Hamburg, Germany, where my parents live. Good news, they plan to reduce to provide tests to only people with symptoms. Anyone with a runny nose for example will be turned away. As a runny nose never was a symptom, why do these stupid people ask for a test anyway?

And the RKI is stoking up fear by including +test results from March and all summer in their daily total, but of course the general public does not know that. Even if it is “only” 60 out of nearly 24.000 today, it is not ethical.

233969 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 85, #559 of 1290 🔗

Thanks to all those who contributed questions for me to ask my MP in his phone call.

In the end it was OH and I who ended up giving him a complete lesson on Covid rather than him answering questions.

He didn’t know that Covid had been removed from the High consequence infectious disease list on March 19th, because mortality was low. He knew very little about how the PCR test worked so we enlightened him. He was unaware of the latest figures on hospital beds apart from our local hospital. We were able to throw in the fact that Whitty and Valance had been hauled over the coals by the Office for Statistics Regulation for not backing up their data with sources and not including methodology with their models. We talked lots about dodgy data and lack of context and comparison with previous years. Masks came into it too of course. We backed up everything with facts, figures and quotations, even reading headlines from newspapers during the 2018 flu season.

We discussed: Sage and Ferguson, Ct cycles, the worldometer, Euromomo statistics, Yuppie flu, statutory instruments, the huge sums of money wasted on T and T, the alternative views of Heneghan, Cummins etc, survival rates for 99.5% of us, Diamond Princess, rules and regulations, what constitutes a “case”, Old Uncle Tom Cobley et al!

He admitted that we knew far, far more than he did and asked us to write down our points so that he could write to the PM and the Dept. of Health using our information as his constituents.

I won’t publish the letter we sent here as it runs to seven pages but I think that we covered every base and gave him what for!

What we gleaned from him was that there is an awful lot of anger and frustration amongst MPs in Westminster. They are unable to obtain information from the Dept of Health quickly enough-he commented that the media know more than MPs.

He knows, having voted for lockdown that his voting record will come back to haunt him and that it is unlikely that he will serve a second term. He was concerned about Labour getting back in to the constituency but we pointed out that it was more likely to be the Reclaim or Reform party as the opposition had been appalling too. He is very aware of public opinion on the government’s performance, especially amongst Tory voters.

Oh and we pointed him in the direction of this website!

233973 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Margaret, 13, #560 of 1290 🔗

Good work. Sums it up don’t it. Useful idiots

233974 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Margaret, 7, #561 of 1290 🔗

Amazing!

233975 ▶▶ Chestergal, replying to Margaret, 7, #562 of 1290 🔗

Well done! I don’t even get replies to the emails I have sent my Labour MP. But it’s frightening to know MPs are so ill informed and don’t seem to think to seek out information for themselves.

234001 ▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to Chestergal, 11, #563 of 1290 🔗

My guess is that Boris knows very little about the subject too. He has always expected others to do his work and can’t be bothered to research it himself.

234014 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Margaret, 11, #564 of 1290 🔗

Margaret, while I agree he is a lazy, incompetent coward, I think it has gone beyond that now. He knows what he is doing by purposefully ignoring evidence and information that is presented to him on a plate from more accomplished scientists and academics. He is now calling in favours from others – the also implicated, but less obviously so, Sir Simon Stevens (his mate from Balliol College Oxford) – to attempt to get him out of the hole he has dug for himself.

234213 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #565 of 1290 🔗

Yeah, and Stevens tried to get his point across by using yet another scary graph with numbers (Covid inpatients) on it that had already been outed as not true by the press and other earlier in the week.

234395 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #566 of 1290 🔗

Dug with a JCB.

234732 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #567 of 1290 🔗

Lazy Boris has eugenicist tendencies and is on the scam.

234802 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #568 of 1290 🔗

I suspect Boris is somehow being coerced. It’s simply impossible to change core beliefs from one day to the next.

234393 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Margaret, #569 of 1290 🔗

I think Boris knows a lot about little, and very little about a lot.

234738 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Nick Rose, #570 of 1290 🔗

Whether lazy thick Boris knows what’s going on really doesn’t matter, that much. Either way, he is totally unfit to be PM.

234391 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Chestergal, 2, #571 of 1290 🔗

During the Foot and Mouth crisis in 2001, only one MP sought out and read the report from the 1967-68 outbreak in Cheshire and North Wales. One of my earliest memories is of the fires when they burned the slaughtered cattle.

233978 ▶▶ Simon, replying to Margaret, 2, #572 of 1290 🔗

Awesome.

233981 ▶▶ dommo, replying to Margaret, 11, #573 of 1290 🔗

that’s absolutely shocking – how did such a complete f*ckwit get to be in a position to vote on whether or not the country should be locked down?

234398 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to dommo, 3, #574 of 1290 🔗

Welcome to Westminster. There’s 650 of ’em in there, with one or two notable exceptions.

233983 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Margaret, 14, #575 of 1290 🔗

It’s great work and I good on the MP for listening to reason. But, it really is unacceptable that our MP’s are not seeking knowledge from all avenues. It is inexcusable to be this ignorant of alternative facts.

234662 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to JHuntz, 1, #576 of 1290 🔗

Exactly. What else are the MPs doing all day, given that covid is supposed to be the most important thing in the world ever, and nothing else matters as it can be closed down by decree?

233988 ▶▶ steph, replying to Margaret, 14, #577 of 1290 🔗

Well done on your efforts but isn’t it just disgraceful that he hasn’t found this out for himself? There is plenty of information out there.
It’s not as if there is anything at all more important at the moment but he is content to draw his large salary and sit back only consuming the information Matt Hancock deems he is allowed to see. No excuse for not looking harder on behalf of his constituents.

234005 ▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to steph, 4, #578 of 1290 🔗

He is actually a good constituency MP who has worked really hard for this area in the last year. It is a pity that he knows his goose has been cooked by his own party and government.

234030 ▶▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Margaret, 6, #579 of 1290 🔗

you’re going too easy there – he’s been grossly negligent in not fully informing himself of the issues before voting on such a monumental decision

234218 ▶▶▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to dommo, 2, #580 of 1290 🔗

He had based his vote on the numbers in our huge local hospital which takes people from a very wide area.

234383 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Margaret, 1, #581 of 1290 🔗

no excuse i’m afraid

234741 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Margaret, #582 of 1290 🔗

Well if they have cooked his goose, he is partly to blame.

233997 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Margaret, 8, #583 of 1290 🔗

Impressed he spent the time – and that you had some pull with him

Mine ignores me

233999 ▶▶ jim, replying to Margaret, 3, #584 of 1290 🔗

oh and by the way please ask your MP- why is it that most departments in the UK Govt have sent a reply to a freedom of information request which asks where is the evidence of a covid19 virus and they have replied that they don’t have any information regarding that kind of virus anywhere in the Govt archives – more info see thebernacia.net

234197 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to jim, 3, #585 of 1290 🔗

Good question to ask any MP who is actually engaging with his constituents.
If he now starts to work for the people then he will have a good defence at his trial.
It’s encouraging, really encouraging to hear. Well done Margaret. Best news in a while.

234746 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to jim, 2, #586 of 1290 🔗

There is no real proof that Sars-cov-2 coronavirus actually exists and it seems there never will be.

234057 ▶▶ annie, replying to Margaret, 10, #587 of 1290 🔗

If he is typical, it shows that most MPs are not just morons, but ignorant morons who can’t be bothered to check a few facts.

234084 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to annie, 6, #588 of 1290 🔗

Essentially dereliction of duty isn’t it.

234087 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Margaret, 6, #589 of 1290 🔗

This is all good stuff because it proves that they know the facts and gives them no way out at the Crimes Against Humanity trial that is coming their way.

Please copy in paper offline and backup safely and keep in a secure place.

There will ‘clean up’ the internet so don’t loose the evidence!

You and your OH seem extremely well organised. Please consider collating letters such as these. Contact me through this site if you are interested in taking this on. https://www.beautyandthebeastlytruth.com/post/covid-rules-sayno-use-this-to-print-your-own-leaflet

234509 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Rosie, #590 of 1290 🔗

Maybe also a good idea to record such phone calls with MPs – good evidence that they are not doing their research… What have they been doing all this time?

234095 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Margaret, 5, #591 of 1290 🔗

Well done you. My MP must be self isolating as she still has not replied.

234185 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Margaret, 5, #592 of 1290 🔗

Brilliant job.

234231 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Margaret, 5, #593 of 1290 🔗

Well done, Margaret; brilliant work. 🙂

It’s appalling that he admitted to you that he didn’t know as much about all this as you and OH; blaming a lack of communication from Handjob’s department is no excuse. Has he never heard of the Internet, FFS?

He knows, having voted for lockdown that his voting record will come back to haunt him and that it is unlikely that he will serve a second term .

Did he actually say this , M, or is this your and your OH’s assessment?

234248 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Ceriain, 2, #594 of 1290 🔗

Even reading the Daily Telegraph would have given him some insight into the truth

234749 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Rosie, #595 of 1290 🔗

And the Daily Mail.

234384 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Ceriain, 3, #596 of 1290 🔗

You might be surprised how uninformed many MPs really are. Part confirmation bias, part ignorance, part laziness, depending on the MP of course! The scary part is that they pass laws…

234819 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Nick Rose, #597 of 1290 🔗

No, Nick, I know how thick they are. 🙂

234489 ▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to Ceriain, 1, #598 of 1290 🔗

He did say the bit about his voting record coming back to haunt him at the next election and implied that it would be very difficult for him to win the seat a second time.

234312 ▶▶ sam, replying to Margaret, 1, #599 of 1290 🔗

this is wonderful that you did this ! thank you margaret ! hope he listens and convinces other MPs now too how wrong the lockdowns and masks are and any enforced vaccine

234378 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Margaret, 1, #600 of 1290 🔗

This is excellent stuff! I think you are quite right not to share your letter here by the way. If you build trust with this MP (unless he’s playing along with you, I’m quite cynical at times, sorry) it will be best if the correspondence remains private until he is happy with you sharing it.

The Diamond Princess data is a nugget of pure gold and I’m utterly gobsmacked that so few have used it!

I hope something comes from this, well done for starting it. I’m quite jealous…

234411 ▶▶ James007, replying to Margaret, #601 of 1290 🔗

Brilliant job!! Well done and thanks for reporting back.

234539 ▶▶ Sue, replying to Margaret, 2, #602 of 1290 🔗

Given the severity of the measures the HoC are imposing on the country there is absolutely no excuse for every one of them to know all the facts and accurate data. It is just laziness and dereliction of duty!

234592 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Margaret, #603 of 1290 🔗

Well done you and looks like your MP was willing to listen and also has the self awareness that he could lose his seat.

234635 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Margaret, #604 of 1290 🔗

Incredible your MP is SO CLUELESS…seriously. Incredible.

233977 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #605 of 1290 🔗

Has anyone on here produced any sceptical leaflets or posters that can be printed out and distributed?

It’s not the sort of thing I would usually do. But I think there is an enormous lack of knowledge out there, contributing to this mess. Even sceptical people don’t know the full facts. I met a friend yesterday who is very suspicious about it all, particularly issues around control and liberty, but didn’t have a clue about the scientific side. No idea what Sweden have done, no idea about the dodgy models, death counts or issues with the tests, sang the praises of St Jacinda but didn’t even know about the enforced quarantine camps…

How people can not be aware of this kind of thing by now is beyond me, but evidently they are not. So I’m in the mood to provide some education!

233996 ▶▶ Sceptic in Oxford, replying to A. Contrarian, 8, #606 of 1290 🔗

I haven’t but you could try something really simple like:

Why are we locking down for a virus that

has a 99.7% survival rate;
for which there are now several effective treatments;
fewer than 400 people under the age of 60 with no serious underlying health conditions have died; and
the average age of patients dying with/of Covid is 82 years 4 months ( source: NHS
England )

If you want to add any more details, here’s loads I collated and emailed my MP:

·      25 million GP appointments lost ( source: Care Quality Commission )
·      3 million people backlog for cancer screening (source: Cancer Research UK)
·      350,000 patients with suspected cancer haven’t been referred ( source: Cancer Research UK )
·      986,000 women not screened for breast cancer ( source: Breast Cancer Now )
·      Nearly 2 million waiting > 18 weeks for planned surgery, such as knee and hip operations (source: NHS England)
·      111,026 patients waiting > 1 year for treatment ( source: NHS England )
·      MD and cataracts have gone untreated leaving patients at risk of sight loss
·      Waiting lists in general for the NHS are at an all-time high

Sooner or later, everyone , will be impacted by these backlogs, whether its them, their husband, wife, mother, father, sister, brother, boyfriend, girlfriend, uncle, aunt, child or grandchild who needs treatment and joins the back of these queues.

Then there’s societal/other health problems:

·      1 in 10 mental health patients has been waiting 6 months for help ( source: Royal College of Psychiatrists )
·      Number of people drinking at ‘high risk levels’ doubled since February – now 8.5 million ( source: Royal College of Psychiatrists )
·      Just over 1 in 10 of over 70,000 surveyed had suicidal thoughts or thoughts of self-harm during the first week of lockdown ( source: Samaritans )
·      calls to domestic abuse helplines surge ( source: Refuge – For Women & Children Against Violence )
·      Off-licence alcohol sales are up 24.2% with beer sales up 66% ( source: Kantar)
·      48% of UK respondents increased alcohol consumption and 54% increased drinking frequency ( source: Institute of Alcohol Studies / Global Drug Survey Special Edition )
·      750,000 jobs lost March-August (source: ONS)
·      11,120 chain store outlets closed January-June ( source: Local Data Company and PwC )
·      45% of businesses have less than six months cash reserves or none ( source: ONS)
·      673,000 fewer workers were on payroll in August compared with March 2020 ( source: ONS )
·      Record fall in GDP (21.8%) during first half of 2020, greater than France, Italy, Canada, Germany, US and Japan ( source: ONS)
·      Public borrowing of £173.7 billion in the first five months of the pandemic – more than triple all borrowing for entire previous year [£56.6 billion] ( source: ONS )
·      UK national debt at record high >£2 trillion for first time ever (source: ONS)
·      33% of adults reported high levels of anxiety (source: ONS)
·      Charities face £12.4 drop (source: Chartered Institute of Fundraising (IoF) and the Charity Finance Group (CFG))
·      Graduates less likely to find work/internships: 49% of small and medium sized businesses have cancelled internships or work experience, whilst 29% of larger firms have (source: The Sutton Trust)

234008 ▶▶▶ Ray, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, #607 of 1290 🔗

Would you mind if I share this information in a Facebook group?

234083 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Ray, #608 of 1290 🔗

This isn’t the time for niceties. If it’s shared here then go ahead!

234090 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ray, replying to Rosie, 1, #609 of 1290 🔗

👌

234352 ▶▶▶▶ Sceptic in Oxford, replying to Ray, #610 of 1290 🔗

No probs! Spread it far and wide.

234010 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #611 of 1290 🔗

Hi AC, I have a leaflet that a friend produced. Can post later today when I get home (leaflet not on work pc) kh

234013 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to kh1485, #612 of 1290 🔗

Great, thanks.

234118 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #613 of 1290 🔗

Here it is.

234268 ▶▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to kh1485, #614 of 1290 🔗

That looks perfect, thanks!

234080 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #615 of 1290 🔗

This one so far, it’s A5 https://www.beautyandthebeastlytruth.com/post/covid-rules-sayno-use-this-to-print-your-own-leaflet

This is my own site, and I intended to have expanded the text into a longer info leaflet, but I keep getting diverted. I’ve found that protestors themselves are desperate for succinct well presented information. You can contact me through it.

Sceptic in Oxford, I’ll use yours as well. Contact me?

234270 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Rosie, #616 of 1290 🔗

Thank you!

234102 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #617 of 1290 🔗

Some of this information might be useful

234408 ▶▶ James007, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #618 of 1290 🔗

Regarding posters, on a purely hypothetical basis- small wirecutters would be perfect for removing terrifying canvas signs saying “be alert don’t leave home without your mask!”, wrapped round the “welcome to our village” sign and fastened with cable ties.

234511 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to James007, 2, #619 of 1290 🔗

My OH went so far as to unscrew one with his swiss army knife a couple of weeks ago…

234585 ▶▶ wat tyler, replying to A. Contrarian, #620 of 1290 🔗

There are some poster designs in the forum under general discussion and then look for tee shirts and posters .Mabel Cow on here is the person to ask .Also believe keep britain free site has leaflets .

233980 calchas, 3, #621 of 1290 🔗

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/uncategorized/the-next-french-revolution-in-the-making/

At the link is a video from Romania. It shows police in a metro station pulling – presumably unmasked – passengers from a train and beating them.

233986 Victoria, 4, #622 of 1290 🔗

Made the Telegraph

Angry protestors in London and university students in Manchester

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1324988661923016704

233987 Victoria, 3, #623 of 1290 🔗

If near a protest and questioned by police, make clear nothing to do with protest simply out for recreational purposes .

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1324989042136584193

234000 JHuntz, 1, #624 of 1290 🔗

Looking to make posters and found this excellent article on face masks:-

https://swprs.org/face-masks-evidence/

234011 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 7, #625 of 1290 🔗

So the rapid test “misses” half of infections.

Has it occurred to anyone that perhaps the PCR tests overestimates infections by a factor of two? Perhaps the rapid test is identifying genuine infectious cases and simply doesn’t pick up the asymptomatic infections or people who had the virus weeks ago like the PCR test does?

Just a thought…

234106 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #626 of 1290 🔗

Think you’re onto something.

234271 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to A. Contrarian, #627 of 1290 🔗

Good point.

234016 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 9, #628 of 1290 🔗

I have been watching livestreams of protests from London and Stafford Park, Stroud. Looks like people aren’t paying much attention to Priti-useless Patel and her goons.

234025 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Londo Mollari, #629 of 1290 🔗

Any url for the Stoud protest in Stratford Park?

234036 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to RickH, #630 of 1290 🔗

It was on Facebook. I can’t in fit now but maybe footage will turn up on Twitter. I estimate a few hundred turned up – good for a town of this size and considering it was both contrary to the lockown diktat and the local council’s ban – it was in Stafford Park. I believe it was Gloucestershire’s first anti-lockdown protest.

234031 Voz 0db, 4, #632 of 1290 🔗

Clearly wearing masks during a “pandemic” is really important!

What’s the BEST TIME to dump over a million tons of radioactive water into the Ocean, if not when the Herd of modern moron slaves are all wearing muzzles and in self house arrest?!

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With LUCK it might create a few new species of animals that will wipe us out!
That would be fun…

234243 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #634 of 1290 🔗

Tweeter Wilber Force :

I must admit, I’m a cautious pro-mask pro-lockdowner, and I feel a bit apprehensive about taking a new vaccine. I at least want to see it tested on others first.

Nice caring guy! 😉

234035 davews, replying to davews, 6, #635 of 1290 🔗

Just back from my usual afternoon walk. Heaving with other people doing the same. Main road traffic busier than normal, the M4 being closed probably doesn’t help. Mercedes garage looked open. What lockdown?

234040 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to davews, 4, #636 of 1290 🔗

Our local high street was busy, probably less than a typical Saturday though, but the roads all seemed as busy as you’d expect for a Saturday afternoon. Lots of people out walking and running and lots of groups of cyclists.

234050 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Anothersceptic2, 2, #637 of 1290 🔗

I hope they’d all tested negative for custard.

234045 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to davews, #638 of 1290 🔗

A4117 road to Ludlow onto Wales equally busy.

234055 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to davews, 5, #639 of 1290 🔗

Keep it up!

Who’s have thought that going for an afternoon walk would constitute extreme subversion …. but it is in more and more countries already. Resist every inch of the way.

234039 Stuart, 6, #640 of 1290 🔗

It is reported that Welsh Uniformed Lockdown Enforcement (formerly known as the Constabulary) have questioned a woman about custard found in her shopping basket and whether this was a necessary purchase.

The authorities wish it to be known that custard attracts Covid like flies to a corpse and that lingering around the custard display can be injurious to your health and that of others.

234042 peyrole, replying to peyrole, 15, #641 of 1290 🔗

Do you know why say Japan has so much better record with covid-19 than the UK?
Because they don’t do this useless, brainless, error-strewn mass testing of healthy people.
What the hell is the logic of testing 99.8% of the population who don’t need it? And when you do get a ‘positive’ result it could be false, you could have no symptoms, you may well not be infectious.
Why the hell do people think this is a good idea , a way of getting back to ‘normal’? Does someone envisage conducting monthly test on the whole population? And if they did, what possible use would that have?
And the anti-logic position of the pro-vaxxers is now, you have to have one to keep insured, to be allowed to have an ordinary life, without one you will have to stay locked up. This coming from people who want to stay masked and locked up, to people who are happy to manage the remote risk of illness by dropping restrictions now.
The world has gone through the ‘looking glass’ , truth is lies and vice versa.

234051 ▶▶ Julian, replying to peyrole, 7, #642 of 1290 🔗

I also read that the % of their older people who are obese is 4%, UK 29%, New York 40%. This is one of the difficulties in comparing outcomes in countries. People like to bleat about how East Asian countries used magic powers to beat the virus, but maybe they are just thinner.

234063 ▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to Julian, 4, #643 of 1290 🔗

Yes they are generally healthier, and they don’t use western drugs that harm the immune system. However none of that would stop them catching a virus, for instance 2018/9 was a very bad year for them with flu. But it does stop their elderly getting very ill and dying in the same numbers. My point was that they are selective who they test, so they do test any care homes where they think there is an outbreak.
I have found no logical explanation of why testing a huge proportion of the population does anything except produce meaningless numbers.

234074 ▶▶▶▶ NickR, replying to peyrole, 4, #644 of 1290 🔗

There’s some evidence that prior exposure to SARS 1 & other coronavirus’ may contribute. It’s a bit of a mystery why more doesn’t seem to have been published/researched.

234120 ▶▶▶▶▶ Adamb, replying to NickR, 1, #645 of 1290 🔗

Seems the most likely explanation to me. No country in E Asia has been significantly affected irrespective of demographics or govt intervention.

234091 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to peyrole, 2, #646 of 1290 🔗

Indeed, it is utter madness and seems to be the only Plan B that people have after lockdowns, all part of the “something must be done” mindset. If only we could do track and trace better, they say, but are unable to explain how. We may one have the technology (thank God we don’t!) but as of now we simply don’t and it is futile.

234256 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to peyrole, 1, #647 of 1290 🔗

They have a poor flu record, perhaps due in part to their weird obsession with face masks.

234655 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Julian, #648 of 1290 🔗

Quite early it was being said that obesity made the effects of covid worse, as it does for many conditions. And there are plenty of obese people in the UK and in the USA.

234043 alw, replying to alw, 2, #649 of 1290 🔗

Just heard that Nordic Walking groups on Hampstead Heath cancelled. Perhaps someone in Government can explain why…..no I thought not.

234052 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to alw, 1, #650 of 1290 🔗

Ask them to explain why!

Cowards. Sorry, but I’m disgusted.

234053 ▶▶ annie, replying to alw, 1, #651 of 1290 🔗

Are there mink on the Heath?

234054 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to alw, 1, #652 of 1290 🔗

But support groups of up to 15 are allowed

234092 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Victoria, 1, #653 of 1290 🔗

A support group taking exercise together would seem to be the best of both worlds.

234047 Sue, replying to Sue, 4, #654 of 1290 🔗

I, and 2 others, collected puppies from a Welsh breeder on 4th November. The breeder had consulted with local Police in Wales who deemed it an essential and therefore permissible journey to meet us on the Welsh/English border. The puppies were 7 weeks and 4 days old. The original collection date had been 7th November, when they were 8 weeks. I believe the Kennel Club issued a statement on 14th May 2020 saying that DEFRA had deemed the collection of pups as essential during a lockdown period. It is of course absolutely vital that pups leave their mother at this stage otherwise their development can be compromised and training made more difficult. The Police were wrong to fine the woman in the article and she should never have paid. She should sue for the return of her money.

234546 ▶▶ Sue, replying to Sue, #655 of 1290 🔗

ohhh i have a double!! 🙂

234629 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Sue, #656 of 1290 🔗

Which one is the Real You?

234048 alw, replying to alw, 20, #657 of 1290 🔗

Taking it to extremes in Wales.

234049 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to alw, 2, #658 of 1290 🔗

LOL
First laugh of the day, I needed that. Thanks!

234645 ▶▶ CGL, replying to alw, #659 of 1290 🔗

Lots more sheeple to round to round up now!

234056 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 4, #660 of 1290 🔗

Just watching a livestream (on Facebook) of the Birmingham protest – looks like there are thousands in the crowd.

234060 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #661 of 1290 🔗

why not share the link?

234058 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 23, #662 of 1290 🔗

From a Joe Public point of view, believing all the headlines etc, would you not by now be questioning the masks and measures? How could 20,000 – 25,000 people a day be infected if masks, SD etc worked or do they really think it is the selfish few that is causing all this? Just trying to understand how people can not be questioning anything. Sad state of affairs.

234061 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Sarigan, 5, #663 of 1290 🔗

It’s odd, though I think people really want it to be possible to “defeat” this virus, especially after all the sacrifices made.

234069 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Sarigan, 9, #664 of 1290 🔗

Thinking of this and remembering an image posted here a few days ago, I began to wonder if mask face-nappy wearing actually CAUSED an increase in cases? The image showed how cases rose sharply AFTER mask face-nappy wearing was required.
Maybe this was what was intended? Just a thought.
And one of the symptoms, as I understand it, of this virus is hypoxia.

234184 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Stephanos, 3, #665 of 1290 🔗

Masks do cause an increase. People don’t antisocially distance when they’re wearing them (assuming antisocial distancing has some small positive effect).

234235 ▶▶▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to Tenchy, #666 of 1290 🔗

Certainly if and when worn outside.

234261 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Tenchy, 2, #667 of 1290 🔗

There has been a lot said about the many ways in which masks increase illness, from covid or anything else.

Of themselves they depress the immune system, they convert droplets into aerosols that are breathed back in, they breed bacteria and fungi, and they decrease available oxygen which damages every organ in the body, especially the brain.

Lowers IQ temporarily and permanently, and triggers dementia.

Trigger for asthma and the fibres and chemicals encourage lung cancer and pneumonia.

I’m sure there’s more.

234249 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Sarigan, 1, #668 of 1290 🔗

Because the PTB blame those who don’t wear masks for the ongoing show.

234065 masker of puppets, replying to masker of puppets, 9, #669 of 1290 🔗

I am increasingly convinced that Covid is being used as cover for the Great Reset, either through opportunism or by (more likely IMHO) design. It seems from the synchronized approach around the world that the heads of state are taking their orders from on high and they are either willing accomplices seeking profit / advancement in the firm, or perhaps compromised Hunter Biden style. There is one aspect that has me curious and hasn’t been discussed as far as I’m aware : How is Sweden allowed to avoid these crazy measures?

234070 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to masker of puppets, 7, #670 of 1290 🔗

Someone has suggested that it’s because Sweden is basically already a cashless society with a digital ID already in place so a lot of the work is already done.

234073 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Anothersceptic2, -1, #671 of 1290 🔗

Another good theory

234094 ▶▶▶ masker of puppets, replying to Anothersceptic2, -1, #672 of 1290 🔗

But I think a big component of the plan is to make everyone destitute, which would involve lockdowns?

234103 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to masker of puppets, #673 of 1290 🔗

They are patient. Remember this is about long term ideas which have their origin in the 19th century. The bad ideas are bigger than the current proponents. Like a whirlpool or black hole, the bad ideas suck people in and continue on decade after decade, even if individuals leave or die.

Explained here, though not especially well as I didn’t have time to do an upgrade/re-write https://www.beautyandthebeastlytruth.com/the-conflict-of-ideas

234291 ▶▶▶ Draper233, replying to Anothersceptic2, 1, #674 of 1290 🔗

But do you really believe pushing through a cashless society democratically would be that difficult in any developed country?

I don’t. I think given that most people already shun cash (including myself a lot of the time), a clear majority would just accept it as progress.

234696 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Draper233, #675 of 1290 🔗

I think given that most people already shun cash …, a clear majority would just accept it as progress.

They’d be wrong, as they are about masks and lockdowns.

234495 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Anothersceptic2, #676 of 1290 🔗

Cash still allowed over here 🙂
True regarding using digital signature via a bank app to sign into a lot of systems.

For ID to get prescriptions, pick up parcels etc, most people use a driving licence. ID here is considered to be something with a photo, personal number (population register number) and, like passports, with security features like hologrammes..

234072 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to masker of puppets, 4, #677 of 1290 🔗

We’ve touched on it and reached no conclusion.

IMO it demonstrates that they, the PTB (powers that be) are not in complete control, yet, and that they are not a single entity, but several different entities working in collusion with one another. One day, possibly, they will fight it out between themselves as to which one comes out on top.

234086 ▶▶▶ masker of puppets, replying to Rosie, 4, #678 of 1290 🔗

I think that is probably the case – aligned interests just for now, with battles to come. I do wonder also where Boris is in all this. Do you remember right at the very start of this year as part of his “new broom” posturing along with Dom Cummings (e.g. picking a fight with the civil service) he made a great show of saying that he wouldn’t be going to Davos and wouldn’t allow anyone else in his Govt. to go either. Was he aware of the plan and wanted no part, or aware of the plan but wanted to appear distanced from it?

234099 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to masker of puppets, 1, #679 of 1290 🔗

I think we must conclude the latter. Others have posted links from a couple of years ago of his general support for WEF stuff.

I’ve been wondering about the role of Dom Cummings as well. I think all that ‘picking a fight’ stuff was a clear diversion. He did employ a few people but then gave them no support or protection from the Wokies and they left. If it had been genuine we’d have seen immediate support for free speech at the universities.

There’s a friendly article at the DT from 10 years ago where Johnson talks about his mate Piers Corbyn, but concludes that Piers is wrong abut ‘climate change’ …. as if a classicist can know better than a heavy-duty meteorologist/physicist!

If interested, there’s a pamphlet Piers Corbyn wrote a year ago here
https://www.beautyandthebeastlytruth.com/booklets

234203 ▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Rosie, 3, #680 of 1290 🔗

I am surprised that Prince Charles very openly and publicly supports the WEF. I have a feeling that he may be a ”useful idiot” (though I don’t think he IS an idiot, but may be naive, thinking the best of everyone) drawn in deliberately to give credence and respectability to a questionable organisation. (As was his brother in a totally difference one. Or was it ”totally different”? One wonders these days who is in the web, let alone who’s spinning it.)

234206 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Banjones, 1, #681 of 1290 🔗

PS Or am I becoming a barking mad conspiracy theorist??

234242 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Banjones, 2, #682 of 1290 🔗

No probably not, speaking as an anti-conspiracist myself. I do not know yet for sure, but I am looking into Schwab (reading “The Fourth Industrial Revolution” followed by “Implementing the Fourth Industrial Revolution”, then “The Great Reset”, to give me a feel for the man.

Then look at the WEF. But I don’t think (yet anyway, cannot rule out the possibility) that either the man or the organisation is the evil web a lot seem to spin it as here. A case to answer perhaps, but any political conspiracies I suspect are home grown. Whatever is going in the USA isn’t what’s going on here, or going on in France, or even Germany. Don’t forget the Germans are building and commissioned coal-fired power stations, which is NOT Great Reset agenda.

There is, as far as I can see, no lockstep either. But anyway, the courts might beat me to it.

234281 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Nick Rose, #683 of 1290 🔗

The Prince Charles thing is a puzzle, which I think has two main bits to the answer. (It’s such a mad shame because Charles is sound on many things.)

(a) I think he is a well-meaning guy who has been brainwashed. There is a very illuminating picture of Harry’s moment of downfall, when at his (formerly brilliant) Invictus Games, and Obama is sitting next to him like a snake charmer bending Harry’s mind to his own.

Harry in turn has corrupted first Charles and then William, sad to say. I’ve seen the child-corrupts-parent thing many times.

(b) I think they’ve run out of money, and he’s got aboard the biggest gravy train ever , even bigger than the EU and that’s saying something.

234399 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Disbelief, replying to Rosie, 1, #684 of 1290 🔗

Regarding Charles, how would you explain the letter which included the imortal line: ‘ My husband is planning an accident in my car ‘…?

Plus do you not find it remarkable that the queens two sons have both been best friends with the two most notorious peadophiles in living memory…

Savile was brought in as a marriage counsellor if you did not know… Perfectly normal behaviour and nothing strange there then.

234568 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Rosie, #685 of 1290 🔗

You don’t have to entertain conspiracies (and i don’t) to see the whole family are dysfunctional freaks and misfits .The sooner we jettison this feudal burden on our society the better .

234381 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Banjones, 2, #686 of 1290 🔗

I wasn’t aware that the Windsors were ever credited with possessing intelligence.

234484 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to masker of puppets, #687 of 1290 🔗

But remember that job advert of Dom’s, looking for geeks… to create an AI technocracy maybe???

234570 ▶▶▶▶▶ masker of puppets, replying to Carrie, #688 of 1290 🔗

Yes you’re right – and I remember him saying he wanted a future where decisions were made by computer.

234149 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Rosie, 1, #689 of 1290 🔗

I agree, economies, sustainability, pharma, all fingers in the pie

234098 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to masker of puppets, 3, #690 of 1290 🔗

I wondered if Sweden were a sort of ”control experiment”. There are other countries too, of course, with much the same policies.
There was something on Sky News Australia (a much better broadcaster than most) – their Rowan Dean was speaking some weeks ago that the one thing these countries that did not indulge in lockdown have in common is that they are no friends of China’s. Coincidence?

234244 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Banjones, #691 of 1290 🔗

Reverse coincidence. How does it help China is countries who are friendly towards her destroy their own economies?

I think Carrie first raised the possibility of Sweden as a “control” here a few weeks ago.

234324 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #692 of 1290 🔗

China comes in and buys all their assets and controls them.

234482 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Banjones, #693 of 1290 🔗

Sweden is no friend of China, and the 5g network is not owned or controlled by Huawei..not yet, anyway!

234145 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to masker of puppets, 1, #694 of 1290 🔗

Sweden is a socialist society which it looks as if they want for us, homes, businesses owned by the state. Not many of the politicians in this country will be electable again after this, so what next…….

234313 ▶▶▶ Draper233, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #695 of 1290 🔗

You cannot honestly believe that we’ve just experienced all of this destruction in order to push through a Swedish-style model of society?

Putting aside the fact that there are some aspects of Swedish society that are far from objectionable, a left-leaning party in this country could quite feasibly win an election democratically on these type of policies.

There has to be more to it than this.

234478 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #696 of 1290 🔗

In Sweden many of a person’s interactions with the main authorities are already digitalised and you use an electronic ID (obtainable from your bank) to sign in.. You create your own password to use the bank ID app but essentially they know a lot about everyone in the population already… As regards health info, you use your digital ID to access your medical notes and can also book appointments that way. This is how I’m imagining the great reset will look, except that all these (at present) separate files on a person might well be merged…

Where did you get the idea that Swedes don’t/can’t own their own homes or businesses though?

Not true…

One other possible reason why Sweden might be being left alone is that it already has a small population relative to the size of the country…

234588 ▶▶▶▶ masker of puppets, replying to Carrie, #697 of 1290 🔗

That is a scary thought – if they want to get the population density of the uk to Swedish levels – no way am I getting vaccinated!

234575 ▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Dan Clarke, #698 of 1290 🔗

Sweden is standing up to the world and showing there is another way . Instead of inventing some nonsense theory you should be supporting them .All the businesses and homes in Sweden are not owned by the state and everyone whose ever been there or read about sweden knows that as a fact .Britain is in no way a socialist country either ,have you ever known a socialist country that hands over 12 billion to a private company (serco ) like we have for track and trace ?.

234067 Rosie, replying to Rosie, 15, #699 of 1290 🔗

As I explained yesterday about France. Masks compulsory except in one’s own home. You are not allowed out without a document you print from your own computer which is time stamped, and then only for one hour. Major and smaller road junctions have checkpoints.

My friend is standing up to this and should be an example for us all. His report:

I have been out and about in grim maskland, with many obscene people walking the streets. Into an outfitters in order to collect adjusted item of clothing, now wearing much better. K-, whose nameday is today, asked me to wear a mask, frightened of being fined. I declined.

The open market was open, so I bought a few items which were mostly much (much) more expensive than in the supermarkets and I just hope the quality is better too. Handed to the nice storekeepers my Belgian envelope. [A copy of https://docs4opendebate.be/en/open-letter/ ]

The bank was empty, spacious, so I entered and the lady made her way from the distant desk to ask whether I did not have a mask. I explained that I needed to see in order to operate the telling machine and that anyway it had nothing to do with any illness and everything to do with fascism and the coup d’état. Also handed her my envelope.

let me tell you also that this envelope contains his contact details. Brave man.

Follow his example.

234178 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Rosie, 3, #700 of 1290 🔗

France, bar China they’ve implemented the most draconian and hateful lockup in the world. France, number 5 in the COVID league table. Lockups really work then.

234068 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 2, #701 of 1290 🔗

Latest News
By Will Jones / 7 November 2020 / 527 Comments
Operation Moonshine: New Rapid Test Misses More Than Half of Infections

Don’t knock it!

234315 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to James Leary #KBF, #702 of 1290 🔗

Might as well just toss a coin.

234468 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to James Leary #KBF, #703 of 1290 🔗

For every test though, that’s another person’s DNA they’ve got on file..

234071 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 2, #704 of 1290 🔗

The last sentence of Twitty’s letter to Greg Clarke correcting his statement on the Liverpool figures reads:

“The drop in Liverpool specifically is likely to reflect the fact they went into strong measures, widely BROUGHT into, at an early stage, and is good news in every way”

I thought brought was the past tense of bring and that we BOUGHT into things not brought into them.

Pedantic, I know, but graphs aren’t the only thing that Twitty gets wrong. He needs to proof read both more carefully, before he puts his name to them.

234088 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Margaret, 5, #705 of 1290 🔗

Well, he WOULD say that, wouldn’t he?

Just think – Wittery and Unbalanced are seen on the world stage. Oh dear. People might think they’re the best the UK has to offer. Embarrassing, or what?

234255 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Banjones, 1, #706 of 1290 🔗

Well, he WOULD say that, wouldn’t he?

Exactly! It’s the old ‘ numbers are up during lockdown = we need more lockdown “, and “ numbers are down = lockdowns work “.

They can’t lose with that logic.

234259 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Margaret, #707 of 1290 🔗

So he’s admitted that the local measures work then – why the need for national lockdown?

234462 ▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #708 of 1290 🔗

Sorry, AC. My point was really about Twitty’s grammar. If he doesn’t proof read the letters he signs, what hope have we got that he checks his graphs?

234075 Jim Binks, replying to Jim Binks, 49, #709 of 1290 🔗

Went for a none essential drive along M6 M55 lots of traffic good to see. I intend to break the law everyday. I intend to practice civil disobedience everyday and refuse to comply.

234077 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Jim Binks, 12, #710 of 1290 🔗

You could just claim you’re keeping your car battery in shape anyway, we did that in the spring as some cars only last 4 weeks or so before your battery is dead if you don’t drive it.

234273 ▶▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Anothersceptic2, 7, #711 of 1290 🔗

… or checking your eyesight?

234135 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Jim Binks, 4, #712 of 1290 🔗

Good idea, we all need a hobby

234304 ▶▶ annie, replying to Jim Binks, 4, #713 of 1290 🔗

Go it! Defy the Borg!

234076 Eddy, replying to Eddy, 5, #714 of 1290 🔗

Just took the wife to Wales to Bangor. No questions asked…

234079 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Eddy, 12, #715 of 1290 🔗

What – your wife didn’t ask why you were taking her?

234272 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to calchas, 4, #716 of 1290 🔗

What – your wife didn’t ask why you were taking her?

Oh boy, that’s funny! Thank you for giving me a good giggle today, c. 😉

“My wife’s gone to the West Indies…”
“Jamaica?”
“No, she went of her own accord.”

Ian Carmichael, Richard Wattis – The Colditz Story (1955)

234143 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Eddy, 5, #717 of 1290 🔗

Wouldn’t it be more comfortable at home?

234216 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Eddy, 3, #718 of 1290 🔗

next time take her up the Oxo tower

234081 Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 18, #719 of 1290 🔗

Looks like I went to the wrong event today. Almost nobody in London, but it looks like Brighton had a good turnout.

Still, had a great day out on the South Bank. Many vendors open selling draught beer and food. Plenty of people about. What lockdown?

234085 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 8, #720 of 1290 🔗

Good to know. Didn’t go far from home, just through the fields. But could see in the distance there was a lot of traffic on the roads. No questions asked in the village shop about a lack of muzzle – nor any frosty glares either!
Tomorrow I intend to gatecrash the remembrance ceremony (if it hasn’t been cancelled), albeit at a distance. I probably won’t be alone!

234104 ▶▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Banjones, 2, #721 of 1290 🔗

Why not print out one of Mabel Cow’s posters. The one with the soldier would be good. Then buttonhole an MP (not one of the honourable 38/9) and give him/her both barrels.
For one of the honourable 38/9 say thank you, of course.

234108 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Banjones, 2, #722 of 1290 🔗

Go for it. Obviously the economic destruction is real, but the ‘stay at home’ element of this lockdown is an illusion.

Just sat on the train home sans muzzle.

234082 Banjones, 5, #723 of 1290 🔗

I’ve just read Dr Sebastian Rushworth’s excellent piece on PCR tests. Well worth the time!
https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/11/06/how-accurate-are-the-covid-tests/

234089 JHuntz, replying to JHuntz, 1, #724 of 1290 🔗

Trying to do a mask poster right now. Has anyone got the link to graphs showing the infections rising straight after mask mandates throughout the EU countries?

I’ve seen it recently but can’t find it anywhere.

234101 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to JHuntz, #725 of 1290 🔗

I wonder whether there is a link between the two. See below.

234105 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to JHuntz, #726 of 1290 🔗

I think it was above the line a few days ago.

234136 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to JHuntz, 1, #727 of 1290 🔗

X

234465 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #728 of 1290 🔗

Great image – worth putting up everywhere…

234608 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #729 of 1290 🔗

muzzles is just a tool to identify which slaves comply promptly and which don’t.

it’s also a good source of extra revenue via fines.

234750 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #730 of 1290 🔗

Thanks Bebop

234093 Elenesse, replying to Elenesse, 54, #731 of 1290 🔗

Just seen another nauseating post making the rounds on Facebook of an NHS worker in full PPE gear bemoaning that the “rule breakers” have no idea how awful it is for people in the NHS to, you know, do their fecking job. I’m so sick of the emotional manipulation, the NHS has systematically abandoned all those with other illnesses for the last 8 months! What the hell is with the constant worship for an institution that is barely fit for purpose?

234100 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Elenesse, 7, #732 of 1290 🔗

Yeah, it makes it all too tiring to tango, too shagged out to salsa.

234107 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Elenesse, 8, #733 of 1290 🔗

What was it like before Covid? ICUs full of people with ingrown toenails?….

GTF

234129 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Elenesse, 2, #734 of 1290 🔗

Never been any different, difference is the nhs usually invite the media in to see how ‘overwhelmed’ they are.

234139 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to Elenesse, 11, #735 of 1290 🔗

If its the same one I saw I posted a reply to say does she hate car driver who have accidents, people who give other people flu, fat people, smokers, drinkers etc She never replied but I got a few posts of dick and so on I replied to say Ive had it but didnt die neither do most people and 90.+% dont even end in hospital even fewer in ICU. That shut down anymore replies

234150 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Iansn, 4, #736 of 1290 🔗

Excellent reply. If you’ve got the necessary thick skin for this, take it to the virtue signallers. They are bullies and bullies back down when you go on the offensive.

234555 ▶▶ TJS123, replying to Elenesse, #737 of 1290 🔗

I doubt if these posts are the work of actual NHS workers though, more likely propaganda from other sources. And many NHS departments, including mine, have been working our socks off to continue to provide our service despite the restrictions imposed on us from above.

234787 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to TJS123, #738 of 1290 🔗

Working your socks off, but still not doing anything like the job, the NHS is supposed to do. As you mention restrictions, can you tell us whether these are imposed by the NHS itself, or whether they come from government?

234560 ▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Elenesse, 1, #739 of 1290 🔗

There were a lot of fake ‘leaks’ from ‘NHS staff’ the last time around (albeit pro-lockdown BS) so no reason to think any different now. I know quite a few people working in medicine at various levels, a couple are the types I probably wouldn’t get far talking skepticism with, but none have ever come across as zealots and a couple have actually admitted to accidentally or deliberately breaking rules so far.

234109 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 1, #740 of 1290 🔗

Legal actions against government overreach gather momentum
United Nations onboard with the Great Reset
Also mentions Simon Dolan’s legal case, Michael O’Bernicia’s against UK Government and Parlimentarians and others.

https://www.anhinternational.org/news/anh-feature-legal-actions-against-government-overreach-gather-momentum/

234111 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Victoria, 2, #741 of 1290 🔗

Continued…..

 In late September Michael O’Bernicia served every Member of Parliament with a notice of intended private criminal prosecution the would be followed up if they continued to support the Coronavirus Act 2020. The pressure is being maintained on the majority of MPs who didn’t opposed the Act.

Now the Government and Cabinate have been served notice, the unfolding story described in The Bernician’s latest Facebook post below.

234134 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Victoria, 1, #742 of 1290 🔗

Can someone give me an idea as to how likely any of that Michael O B stuff has of working?

234147 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #743 of 1290 🔗

I can’t make it out and would like to know as well. What I can say is that:

(a) Reiner Fuellmich’s group is deadly serious

(b) Any and all legal activity against the gov is important

(c) All of them depend upon support from the public at large. This is where we come in, to debrainwash people, to pull people out who are half-persuaded by the propaganda, and to create a wave of awareness of their crimes.

Talk to individuals one-to-one – find out where their thinking is already – and then try to bring them onto the next stage.

Posters and leaflets are also good, so long as they avoid triggering ‘conspiracy theory’ reactions …. very important!

234196 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Rosie, 7, #744 of 1290 🔗

People are thinking very differently from the last lockdown. Back in March it was near 90% compliance and acceptance, now a lot, lot lower. No two ways about that.

Police cars are trawling through car parks in country areas, demanding to know what people are doing there. But I sense this war is running in our favour now.

234204 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #745 of 1290 🔗

the tide is turning though I see more people wearing masks in the streets unlike people like myself who remove their mask on leaving a shop

234265 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #746 of 1290 🔗

I wonder why the police are doing this – people are “allowed” to leave home for exercise?

234642 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #747 of 1290 🔗

here’s a thought – if you get police asking questions, people should just take it in turns to tie them (the police) up (not literally!) in really long boring pointless quiet and non-aggressive conversations for as long as possible – thus leaving everyone else free to get on with their lives

234169 ▶▶▶▶ dommo, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #748 of 1290 🔗

0%

234205 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #749 of 1290 🔗

He won a massive case against RBS previously

234263 ▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #750 of 1290 🔗

That is a good question. I have done some online research and I am happy that he is not a fantasist and has a lot of credibility resulting from his work on mortgage fraud. Will it work? I hope so.

234551 ▶▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #751 of 1290 🔗

Forget it .not a chance in a million .

234117 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 1, #752 of 1290 🔗

Lots of graphs and numbers….
Lies, damned lies and [UK government] statistics Unpicking the misinformation on which lockdowns are based

Why is dialogue being shut down

Whatever our differences of views, based on the huge, varied and variable data quality we’re able to access, there’s one thing that normally helps us resolve things. It’s called dialogue. But the concerted effort around the world to shut down conversations and dialogue that’s at odds with the masterplan being enacted by governments and controlled by intergovernmental and non-governmental organisations such as the United Nations and its various agencies like the WHO and UNDP, the World Economic Forum, the International Monetary Fund and others, is – wait for it – unprecedented.

If you don’t toe the party line, you get shut down, censored or marginalised.

https://www.anhinternational.org/news/lies-damned-lies-and-uk-government-statistics/

234131 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Victoria, #753 of 1290 🔗

Shut up you 🙂

234122 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 4, #754 of 1290 🔗

Vitamin D

While governments use draconian restrictions that curtail and remove the most basic of human rights to ‘fight’ a virus of relatively low virulence and moderately contagious they continue to ignore the pandemic created by vitamin D deficiency around the globe.

https://www.anhinternational.org/news/news-alerts-week-45-2020/

Test & Take: Vitamin D https://www.anhinternational.org/campaigns/test-take-vitamin-d/

234172 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Victoria, 4, #755 of 1290 🔗

went to my nearest Sainsbury supermarket. In the vitamin section it was noticeable that the Vitamin D shelf was completely empty. Plenty of other vitamins were available

234303 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to crimsonpirate, 3, #756 of 1290 🔗

We always start taking it when the clocks go back, but this year I pre- emptively ordered a whole winter’s worth. It’s very cheap so I dont know why it’s not given automatically to the elderly housebound.

234349 ▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to thinkaboutit, #757 of 1290 🔗

already heard an ad on LBC pushing it. The Govt need to give some advice-even revise the NDA- I’m wondering if this was the light at the end of the tunnel that Matt might have been alluding to a while back. Time will tell

234124 Cecil B, 31, #758 of 1290 🔗

The delusion

Covid 19 is so dangerous it will kill a large section of the population if we do not stop it. The economy and peoples freedom are worth sacrificing for the greater good

The reality

Statistics

Deaths with covid WRONG
Deaths from covid WRONG
Positive tests WRONG
Cases WRONG
Hospital admissions WRONG
Infections WRONG

…………………………….

Government policy WRONG

Charts WRONG

Accepted science WRONG

Mass testing WRONG

Propaganda WRONG

Draconian fines WRONG

The press WRONG

Modelling WRONG

MP’s WRONG

Predictions WRONG

Hitting women with batons WRONG

Track and trace WRONG

Facemasks WRONG

The people in charge WRONG

Impact assessments NIL

Critical thinking NIL

Parliamentary scrutiny NIL

234128 Kelly deacons, replying to Kelly deacons, 52, #759 of 1290 🔗

Lovely Saturday afternoon.Had a planned visit from my sister,her husband,niece,her b friend,four children…..differant households,outside *bubble*,non essential visit.

Unexpected knock at door.I answered,expected police,ready to give them a mouthful.It was a delivery of my garden loppers!

Reflecting on what we have become,when an unexpected knock at door on sat.afternoon could be police breaking up the family,possible fine,..and yes they would have had to arrest me cos I would not comply.

May God forgive this govt and collaborators,because I never will.History will not judge them kindly.

234130 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Kelly deacons, 23, #760 of 1290 🔗

I truly think that the government has lost the argument.
What needs to happen now is for people to see this con for what it is.

234157 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Fingerache Philip., 17, #761 of 1290 🔗

What needs to happen now is that the shops pubs etc reopen with immediate effect!

234234 ▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Jo Dominich -, 13, #762 of 1290 🔗

.. and the churches.

234241 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hampshire Sceptic, replying to Basileus, 12, #763 of 1290 🔗

……..and without face nappies.

234183 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Fingerache Philip., 12, #764 of 1290 🔗

They certainly lost anything that was an ‘argument’ way, way back.

The trouble is that a lot of people haven’t cottoned on to the fact that they’re in a fact-free bubble. Look at the numbers queuing in Liverpool for an inaccurate test that would be pointless even if it was accurate.

234605 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #765 of 1290 🔗

and without all the stay 2m apart bollocks and stupid fucking plastic screens everywhere.

234137 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Kelly deacons, 11, #766 of 1290 🔗

Actually I think God should judge them, and assign some to hell. There comes a point where people have made their choice.

More importantly, we need to see them tried at The Hague.

Keep pushing back, keep reminding the politicians and the likes of Whitty about their duty of care under our ancient Common Law. No legislation will extract them from that duty of care.

We all need to work work work to ensure these people see human justice, and not leave all the dirty work to God. Otherwise it might be us who he decides should land up in hell…. hell on earth we most certainly will be in if we do not work work work.

Well done the people making posters!

234283 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Kelly deacons, 5, #767 of 1290 🔗

“expected police”

Please don’t do that, Kelly. You start thinking like that, they start to win!

234640 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Ceriain, #768 of 1290 🔗

You are right of course but there were at least 3 of us today who were nervous about our meeting and whether we would have any trouble with either police or a nosy Karen with a mobile phone.

234294 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Kelly deacons, 2, #769 of 1290 🔗

I’m going to rewatch Deutschland 83 and make notes.

234132 Zak Thelotofem, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 6, #770 of 1290 🔗
234343 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 1, #771 of 1290 🔗

Very good explanation of what most of us here have known for some time. This is a clear illustration of how PCR testing can never show that the pandemic is over. Sometimes simple mathematics can seem so alien to those who choose not to think things through for themselves, instead trusting their (incorrect) instincts.

234133 Eddy, replying to Eddy, 3, #772 of 1290 🔗

Biden wins. How long before America are dropping bombs again on countries?

234138 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Eddy, 12, #773 of 1290 🔗

No he hasn’t. CNN and the AP have jumped the gun here. It’s a narrative to push the idea that Trump should “give up gracefully”. The trouble is there are real problems with voting data and patterns as well as the reports of anomalies.

The Secretary of State is who calls the winner not the press

234142 ▶▶▶ Eddy, replying to mhcp, 2, #774 of 1290 🔗
234190 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to mhcp, 5, #775 of 1290 🔗

I’m still not expecting a legally confirmed winner until next month at the earliest, there will be recounts and challenges in several states.

234228 ▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to DRW, 6, #776 of 1290 🔗

Yes. There’s a whole process that was put in place by the Founding Fathers that normally you don’t see unless you’ve got issues. They understood human nature

234155 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Eddy, 2, #777 of 1290 🔗

Seems the world and his wife want Biden to win. Based on what I have no idea. Mind you I am still baffled by the Trump win, other than to reflect that Hilary Clinton makes me feel sick.

Anyway, with US focus – what is the situation there in summary ? Seems like every democratic supporter is a mask loony who wants to continue this bullshit forever more, whereas every Republican is presented as red cap wearing gun toting knobend determined to kill ethnic children.

Scarcasm aside, what’s the reality of the US in terms of deaths / waves / hospitalisations ? Are they finding their average age of death lower / higher than rest of the world ? What’s going on there ? Broad question I know but I have been trying very hard to avoid MSM.

234293 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Leemc23, 2, #778 of 1290 🔗

The Yuan jumped when they announced it. Good old China Joe.

234295 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to thinkaboutit, #779 of 1290 🔗

I watched a video recently showing a meme about Beijing called for Biden, 105% reported!

234460 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Leemc23, 1, #780 of 1290 🔗

Biden has updated his Twitter account to call himself President-Elect, and the bio also includes the infamous and ominous phrase ‘building back better’…..

234163 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Eddy, #781 of 1290 🔗

Look at the picture of him here:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news

234140 DRW, replying to DRW, 32, #782 of 1290 🔗

Evening sceptics, reporting back from town this afternoon after some required shopping.
Despite being formally in a second full lockdown, it definitely doesn’t feel like March/April again. General traffic, both pedestrian and car, a little quieter but still fairly active. Same with the park, with still unlocked playground getting good usage and the new “rule of 1” getting the compliance it deserves.
Buses deserted again, not that there were many passengers before.
Shops still relatively active, with this time a few more still open, or doing pre-order collection or takeaway. No sign of a marshall, wonder if they’ve been moved elsewhere. Muzzleage about 98%, with the bloody poppy ones noticeably out, but a handful of mask-free individuals around, mainly with lanyards. I went unchallenged and wasn’t the only one in one shop. Does make me cringe when someone muzzles up with a rag from a pocket or bag, they are asking to get ill.

234146 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to DRW, 3, #783 of 1290 🔗

Serves em right.

234200 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #784 of 1290 🔗

It does, but if they all get tested because of it we’ll pay too.

234275 ▶▶ Draper233, replying to DRW, 6, #785 of 1290 🔗

I would be more sympathetic to that kind of mask-wearer, because I would surmise they think it’s all bollocks but just put it on to avoid confrontation or a fine.

I’m also sceptical about masks being dangerous and don’t want to see us turn into bedwetters over this.

I would rather stick to the argument against masks on the basis of a) ineffectiveness, b) disproportionality, and c) anathema to freedom.

234554 ▶▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Draper233, 3, #786 of 1290 🔗

Yeah, I’m not brave enough to go properly maskless yet but am on a halfway house of putting my not-actually-a-mask covering (which is actually handy as a facewarmer on cold mornings and evenings, thin enough to breathe through though) over mouth only. No trouble in shops so far.

234144 MDH, replying to MDH, 51, #787 of 1290 🔗

And now for some positive news from the People’s Republic of Lambeth. This afternoon, with some trepidation, the OH and I headed to the nearby park. Trepidation, because at the time of the original lockdown, the park was a hotbed of “Covid marshalls”, aggressive runners, and insane levels of Covid shuffling.

Today, by contrast, the park was very busy with people enjoying the autumn sunshine, chatting, and sitting in groups(!). Better yet, an intrepid group of lads had scaled the fence to one of the basketball courts and were happily shooting hoops.

As seems to be Lambeth’s policy, the outdoor gym equipment was for the most part surrounded by fencing. As was the BMX track. But… here the fence has been breached, and the track was filled with children and teenagers riding the course while a large group of parents looked on approvingly.

No-one seemed in any way concerned, and there were very few masks in evidence. This area is a Metro-Left paradise (or so its inhabitants seem to think), but it seems that when it comes to Covid, the good folks of Brixton and environs have had enough. Perhaps someone should tell the wretched council leader. And, for that matter, the capital’s mayor-without-a-mandate.

234152 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to MDH, 15, #788 of 1290 🔗

I am left wing but your report cheered me up no end.

234156 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Fingerache Philip., 12, #789 of 1290 🔗

My OH reports similar scenes from elsewhere in S London including Greenwich

234159 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Rosie, 3, #790 of 1290 🔗

Great! But what does OH mean?

234170 ▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #791 of 1290 🔗

Other half

234175 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to stefarm, 2, #792 of 1290 🔗

Ta.

234167 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Rosie, 8, #793 of 1290 🔗

Yes, Greenwich indoor market rammo.

234792 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Rosie, #794 of 1290 🔗

It was sunny in the north on Saturday and the local park was full with people, who now haven’t got much else they can do. As yet, the council haven’t closed the car park or the tennis courts. Literally hundreds of people, very little social distancing and only two old fools were seen wearing masks.

234171 ▶▶▶ MDH, replying to Fingerache Philip., 16, #795 of 1290 🔗

Really pleased to have brought a bit of brightness to your day! I should say that I’d have considered myself a “natural” left winger in the past, but like so many, I feel that the modern left has (groan) left me behind. I’m a chippy working-class kid made good, and not really a natural fit anywhere, politically.
But the important thing on here is that we are united across the political spectrum in seeing this catastrophe for what it is.

234182 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to MDH, 8, #796 of 1290 🔗

Well said and thanks for your comment.

234336 ▶▶▶▶ sam, replying to MDH, 5, #797 of 1290 🔗

that’s how i feel too.love all the comments here i have so few friends who are against the lockdowns and masks so this is a bright spot in my day

234390 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to sam, 2, #798 of 1290 🔗

Pluck up the courage to talk to strangers, Sam, and find yourself a new group of friends. It’s an amazing why to find like-minded people, much better than online lonely hearts apps.

234403 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ sam, replying to Rosie, 2, #799 of 1290 🔗

thank you rosie ,i only had the courage to finally go to a store with no mask [ no scarf really ] a week or 2 ago , [only one there with no mask too] from reading the wonderful commnets here !

234615 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to MDH, 1, #800 of 1290 🔗

We are all politically homeless currently aren’t we.

234153 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to MDH, 11, #801 of 1290 🔗

Hear, hear!!! More people not really following guidance now but still loads of people muzzled up.

234158 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #802 of 1290 🔗

Don’t despair,remember the film: “12 angry men”

234619 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Fingerache Philip., #803 of 1290 🔗

Tony Hancock? 🙂

234165 ▶▶ NappyFace, replying to MDH, 12, #804 of 1290 🔗

Exactly the same in my area of north London. Games courts of all sorts full, people out enjoying the sun, football on the lawns. No one here believes the nonsense, and rightly so, because it is complete bullshit lies.

234173 ▶▶ DRW, replying to MDH, 7, #805 of 1290 🔗

Nice to hear, there was similar park activity in the South West today, it does seem that most are tiring of it all all over.

234211 ▶▶ Jo, replying to MDH, 15, #806 of 1290 🔗

Pub in my village busier than when it was open! Doing takeaways, people queueing (maskless) for beers and all standing around outside, good to see. And a guy returning home with his dog commented on how busy it was, so I said it was good to see the pub keeping their business going, and he replied “absolutely”. One rare happy moment.

234246 ▶▶ Draper233, replying to MDH, 4, #807 of 1290 🔗

Yes, in my part of NW London there doesn’t seem to be any restrictions to play areas, outdoor gym equipment or various sports courts.

No gestapo around either.

234561 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Draper233, #808 of 1290 🔗

Ditto and I live in NW London too.

234284 ▶▶ dommo, replying to MDH, 9, #809 of 1290 🔗

this is the way the lockdown ends – with normal people doing normal things everywhere every day in unstoppably huge numbers…

234550 ▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to MDH, #810 of 1290 🔗

The ‘exercise apart’ signs on my local basketball court are hilarious: they show two stick figures raising opposite arms in a kind of spoof deodorant advert pose.

234160 Adamb, replying to Adamb, 49, #811 of 1290 🔗

The other day I mentioned I was optimistic this would be the last lockdown given the ridiculous lack of justification and probable widespread flouting of the rules. On the other hand, we hear a lot of people talking about “learning to live with the virus”, which on the face of it sounds like what most of us here would argue for. But instead of lockdown, is what these people really mean permanent social distancing, mask wearing, plexiglass, hazard tape and all the rest of the stuff that makes everyday life so oppressive? Because that certainly doesn’t work for me.

234193 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Adamb, 8, #812 of 1290 🔗

That is definitely a worry. Some of these objectionable features could become permanent.

234311 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Adamb, 2, #813 of 1290 🔗

They will as these are the things that have been used to hoodwink the sheep into thinking they have freedom when in fact they have handed back their freedom in following the guidelines.

234316 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Adamb, 10, #814 of 1290 🔗

Remember that all the objectionable measures these psychos are proposing are totally against human nature. Humans need close contact, interaction, things to look forward to, etc. Some sort of package of measures may stay in place for a while but it will likely be ignored by the vast majority. A year of insanity will not undo millions of years of evolution.

234380 ▶▶ Sceptic in Oxford, replying to Adamb, 8, #815 of 1290 🔗

What bothers me most is masks. Where’s the end game? Germs exist year in,year out so even when zeolots finally accept it’s over, I’m really concerned they’ll push for them every winter and/or in every public space.

234386 ▶▶▶ Adamb, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 5, #816 of 1290 🔗

Same here really. I hate the things and all they stand for with a passion.

234394 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 4, #817 of 1290 🔗

The end game is slavery. WEF masks look just like old-style save masks

234418 ▶▶▶ sam, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 2, #818 of 1290 🔗

me too that’s what i hate the most the masks.i never bought one , used a thin fabric with lots of nice holes [ tulle ] as a scarf when went to store ,will try again after one successful shopping trip with no scarf to shop with no scarf .

234480 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, #819 of 1290 🔗

Let ’em push.

No one likes them. They’re useless. They make one look like a twat.

March/April next year, gone for good.

234504 ▶▶▶▶ Sceptic in Oxford, replying to JohnB, 1, #820 of 1290 🔗

I really hope you’re right. Maybe I’m down today because I was talking to a shopkeeper I know. I was asking how business is. We were outdoors but he kept his on and, mid-conversation said, “I know you’re not wearing one but, look at that: 4 people over there walking along not wearing them.” Basically, he didn’t want to insult me (a former customer) but clearly thinks everyone should wear them outdoors too.

I gave him facts, our arguments here about other illnesses left untreated, the economy, masks don’t work etc. Not swayed at all.

Put me on a downer all afternoon.

234534 ▶▶▶▶▶ sam, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 1, #821 of 1290 🔗

i’ve yet to convince a single person. is very discouraging but the good news is i see on the internet so many are rebelling no masks, maybe all people need to see is more and more people rebelling. the french resistance took a while to get more people to join too , i’ve read .

234545 ▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Adamb, 2, #822 of 1290 🔗

I’m still hopeful. Remember that all the crap we’ve had shoved at us takes a lot of time, effort and resources to impose and even the most dutiful apparatchik will eventually get worn down. I recall someone who had visited the DDR and seen the Iron Curtain who remarked ‘if you think the price of freedom is eternal vigilance, check out oppression’.

234644 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Adamb, 1, #823 of 1290 🔗

All this for a scam democracy.

234162 NickR, replying to NickR, 10, #824 of 1290 🔗

Just walked along the edge of a field as a hazmat suited farmer sprayed god knows what on the field from a massive tractor. Bugger, no mask, for the 1st time in 6 months when I could have done with one. Still the insecticide or whatever should keep the Rona away.

234192 ▶▶ Jo, replying to NickR, 5, #825 of 1290 🔗

Makes me think of my last visit to a cafe for lunch. My friend and I were sat at a big table and the woman working there starting spraying the other half of the table with stuff. It caught in my throat and I remembered the fuss a couple of years ago about the harm of household spray cleaners – reputedly as bad for lungs than smoking. Yeah, downside to no mask.
BTW has anyone else felt like taking up smoking? My partner and I were considering it. He only gave up about 7 years ago, I smoked a limited amount for a few years, aeons ago. But it seems quite tempting now. Anyone for a cigar?

234224 ▶▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Jo, 6, #826 of 1290 🔗

All this spraying down surfaces with stuff to kill viruses (and bacteria in most cases) will come back to haunt some – it can’t do the lungs and respiratory tract much good.

234226 ▶▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Ozzie, 3, #827 of 1290 🔗

Good job I hate housework.

234245 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Jo, 3, #828 of 1290 🔗

Inhaling some of these sprays induces as asthma attack – but perhaps that is just an excuse to get out of the housework (and spend more time on LS!)

234225 ▶▶▶ Draper233, replying to Jo, 4, #829 of 1290 🔗

Nah it’s too expensive and most of it goes to HMRC.

I’ve heard glue sniffing is quite economical though.

234476 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Draper233, -1, #830 of 1290 🔗

One can grow tobacco here quite easily.

Glue sniffing can kill on the first time – not funny.

234576 ▶▶▶▶▶ Draper233, replying to JohnB, 2, #831 of 1290 🔗

“Glue sniffing can kill on the first time”

Very economical in some cases then…

234195 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to NickR, 2, #832 of 1290 🔗

That stuff is seriously poisonous and a mask would not have helped.

234166 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 23, #833 of 1290 🔗

BBC is fucking gross, watching final score, repeated mentions of the US election when describing games. How the fuck does Rotherham utd playing in Red letting in an equaliser by Preston in Blue have any correlation to the us election (biden blue, trump red)

Preston scored a winner in the 94th minute….ha

Canvey island through to the 2nd round of the cup, all the players hugging and kissing. Joke ain’t it.

All a pantomime.

234176 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to stefarm, 1, #834 of 1290 🔗

They play at the New York Stadium

234177 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to stefarm, 11, #835 of 1290 🔗

The BBC will be happy that America will be back bombing other countries very soon.

234188 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Eddy, 1, #836 of 1290 🔗

and signing the Paris climate agreement and then ignoring it like Obama did.

234288 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to crimsonpirate, 2, #837 of 1290 🔗

The Paris Accord is a tool of oppression and destruction and corruption. So Obama applied it to others but not to himself and his chums.

234208 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to stefarm, 1, #838 of 1290 🔗

Nobbers got beat 2-1

234227 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #839 of 1290 🔗

They did, no mention of trump when they won

234247 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to stefarm, 6, #840 of 1290 🔗

Have gone right off football without fans. I hope the whole pyramid crumbles.

234306 ▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #841 of 1290 🔗

Me too as soon as my team started selling gimp masks in the style and colour of our old kits that was it for me. Think I might start fishing again.

234323 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to stefarm, 2, #842 of 1290 🔗

Same here formerly big tennis fan.

Wish I’d not even tried as the image of ball children running around with their faces covered haunts my eyes day and night (it does, genuinely)

Let the cold fury drive your actions !!

234186 crimsonpirate, 1, #843 of 1290 🔗

One thing I don’t understand is, Denmark has been taken off the travel corridor as of 4AM this morning due to this mink business. As it was, this was already announced on Thursday. Denmark have been back on the travel corridor for the last month but their covid figures were way above the 20per 100,000 threshold. Still I’m sure T&T can detect all recent visitors from Denmark?

234189 NickR, replying to NickR, 8, #844 of 1290 🔗

DT reporting mink flavoured Corona found in 6 countries. Now I know you’re not allowed to find it amusing but an involuntary sardonic grin may have momentarily crossed by face just before my brows furrowed.

234214 ▶▶ Draper233, replying to NickR, 1, #845 of 1290 🔗

Tut tut. You mean to say they weren’t masking the minks?

234202 James Marker, replying to James Marker, 2, #847 of 1290 🔗

So, the pro-lockdown, WEF candidate for the American presidency has finally been declared the winner. How long will he last? Biden is in the early stages of dementia according to some who have known him for many years. The real tragedy is that Kamala Harris is likely to take over at some point in the next four years. That is the point when America could shift dramatically to the left – the point when a WOKE great reset is ushered in. Not a good day!

234210 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to James Marker, 11, #848 of 1290 🔗

Biden is a trojan horse to get a woman in the White House.

234212 ▶▶ chris, replying to James Marker, 5, #849 of 1290 🔗

Biden has declared himself with MSM cheerleaders.

234215 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to James Marker, 6, #850 of 1290 🔗

Not necessarily – why will the anti-woke, small “c” conservatives and right wing people change their stance? The left wing liberals will eat each other as they all try to move further left.

234458 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Ozzie, 1, #851 of 1290 🔗

I think you’re quite right. And the Senate will likely stay in Republican hands which means any Green New Deal, etc. will be DOA. Executive orders can only go so far; no woke legislation will pass both houses of congress.

234217 ▶▶ pvenkman, replying to James Marker, 20, #852 of 1290 🔗

He hasn’t been declared the winner by anyone with the authority to declare the winner its only the press, they did the same in 2000 for al gore and we all know how that worked out.
This has a long way to go.

234221 ▶▶ DRW, replying to James Marker, 8, #853 of 1290 🔗

Declared but not confirmed, some states are still counting and the definitely dodgy practices will be challenged. Could all be decided by the Supreme Court again like in 2000.
And even if he does win, the Republicans might still have a Senate majority to constrain the worst of his agenda.

234238 ▶▶ RickH, replying to James Marker, -18, #854 of 1290 🔗

Look on the bright side – Biden may be shite, and the Democrats as raddled as Labour is here, but the groping Sulky Satsuma with the brain of a 5-year old spoiled brat won’t be issuing any more incoherent and illiterate tweets. Remember – he didn’t win the popular vote last time, either.

Some don’t seem to have cottoned on to the fact that Trump’s Covid stance wasn’t anything to do with principle any more than was that of the Democrats. It was purely political posturing. Even stopped clocks get something right twice a day.

234250 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to RickH, 1, #855 of 1290 🔗

Can ex presidents who have served one term stand for another term?

234257 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Will, 3, #856 of 1290 🔗

Yes I think so.

234280 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Will, 1, #857 of 1290 🔗

Yes

234319 ▶▶▶▶ Andy C, replying to Will, 1, #858 of 1290 🔗

They can, it’s happened before.

234279 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 8, #859 of 1290 🔗

he didn’t win the popular vote last time, either.

And equally, last time, he had almost the entirety of the mainstream media and big tech propagandising against him. The only differences are that this time they were even more open about it and Biden outspent him by an even more colossal amount.

Hmm, perhaps there could be some connection between propaganda spend and power, and popular support. Perhaps it’s similar to how support for lockdowns has been manufactured by propaganda. Who’d’a thunk, eh? Perhaps advertising works!

234519 ▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to RickH, 6, #860 of 1290 🔗

I can see the logic of a pro trump stance on lockdown but to be honest not a lot will change without Biden winning a landslide .Biden can not lock the whole country down any more than Trump could force it all to open up because each state makes so much of it’s own rules that things will stay much as they are .America is a very free market capitalist country and the idea that the state will pay the population not to work is just not going to happen or be allowed .I believe in spite of what a lot of people think on this site there is no sinister plan going on ,just that Trump came to lockdown scepticism too late and would of won if he had of said all this stuff about opening up back in the summer . What a lot of people can’t except is that he dithered .At the start of this he was anti mask then he went to saying it was peoples patriotic duty to wear them and then near the election he seemed to go more back to his earlier position .Forget Trump we need to fight our battle here and remember what ever happens the struggle continues .

234616 ▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to RickH, 4, #861 of 1290 🔗

Yeah, lets look on the bright side. The senile puppet will go back to murdering people all over the world in the usual foreign wars, will mandate masks for everyone, everywhere and it will be full steam ahead for the Great Reset.

234703 ▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to RickH, -1, #862 of 1290 🔗

Got it in one Rick – thanks for posting the obvious to most of us.

234267 ▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to James Marker, 3, #863 of 1290 🔗

America – and much of the rest of the world – will lurch massively to the right over the next four years. Biden will be out and the woke will long for the days of Trump. None of it is going to end well

234209 Awkward Git, 8, #864 of 1290 🔗

Drafting a letter as and when I get time but here are the contact details of the Crown Prosecution Service:

https://contact.cps.gov.uk

https://www.cps.gov.uk/about-cps/cps-areas-cps-direct-cps-central-casework-divisions-and-cps-proceeds-crime

Or the National Crime Agency:

https://nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/contact-us

234219 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 25, #865 of 1290 🔗

Today was/is a large demo in Leipzig.
The date was chosen especially, remembering the last Monday demo on 7.11.1989. 2 days later the Mauer was opened.
I haven’t followed it, the speeches were stopped early by the police as the crowds could not keep to the distance guidelines and most do not wear a face covering, so they spontaneously started walking down a main street, holding candles. Numbers are too large for the police to deal with. Coverage on YT not very good, seems the system is overloaded.

234342 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Silke David, 1, #866 of 1290 🔗

so I’m guessing if you (man-auf deutsch) never have lived during the DDR time the police action today would be a small reminder

234222 John Galt, replying to John Galt, 34, #867 of 1290 🔗

Trip to ALDI. No problems as ever. Saw one other woman without a mask, she had a lanyard on.

Interestingly, none of the checkout staff were wearing them, with the exception of one woman who had hers around her neck. Seems like they’re completely fed up of it now, which is good to see.

234325 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to John Galt, 10, #868 of 1290 🔗

This ties in with what I’ve been seeing over the past few days. Its not only supermarkets but even in non-food stores I noticed more and more staff not wearing masks.

It’s not only that they’re fed up methinks but I suspect many of them have been complaining of dizzy spells, nausea, chest infections, rashes, impetigo, etc.

234232 Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 19, #869 of 1290 🔗

My son has just returned from a nearby park (and outdoor gym equipment – no sign of any fencing to prevent the use of the equipment). He said that it was busier than usual and certainly a marked difference compared to lockdown 1.0. This is a Labour Party stronghold.

234538 ▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Ozzie, 2, #870 of 1290 🔗

Playparks I went by today were not only open but pretty well used.

234233 NappyFace, replying to NappyFace, 41, #871 of 1290 🔗

You people are an utter disappointment to your central planners.

Time and again we have told you to feel the fear and hide indoors. Ideally with your masks on even when alone in your houses.

How dare you question our data and our narrative. This is for experts to decide. And not just any old experts, but our own vetted and authorised experts. Dissenters are nothing but common criminals.

Cower, you filthy swine! Beg us for harsher measures. Beg us to track your every move and regularly vaccinate you.

Beg us to cancel the democratic process for your own protection.

Fear is courage. Freedom is lockdown. Masks are faces.

234269 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to NappyFace, 16, #872 of 1290 🔗

Been a disappointment to someone my whole life starting with my parents then teachers and so on so no change there.

Used to it by now.

234456 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Awkward Git, 6, #873 of 1290 🔗

You never disappoint here!

234632 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #874 of 1290 🔗

You’re a hero here!

234285 ▶▶ DRW, replying to NappyFace, 10, #875 of 1290 🔗

MSM is truth. Virtual is in-person. We are always at War with Covid.

234251 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 4, #876 of 1290 🔗

I think this has already been posted, but worth a read if you missed it – if you can stand the fear-mongering bollocks:

The Telegraph (free):

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/europe-track-third-wave-covid-unless-lessons-summer-heeded-ecdc/

(and there’s some good comments)

234322 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Tenchy, 1, #877 of 1290 🔗

Gawd. They should change the record now – there’s no second wave, what makes them think there will be a third one??

234353 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #878 of 1290 🔗

Us “not following the rules” over Christmas, it’ll be the new Eat Out to Help Out.

234543 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to DRW, #879 of 1290 🔗

Anything to keep the fear going….

234258 Andy Riley, 3, #880 of 1290 🔗
234262 Awkward Git, 9, #881 of 1290 🔗

Off topic bit good news:

Supreme Court Justice Alito gave an order to take away all votes that showed up in Pennsylvania after 8 PM on Tuesday and segregate them out for inspection by federal authorities.

https://ussanews.com/News1/2020/11/06/breaking-orders-from-up-on-high-justice-alito-orders-pennsylvania-to-separate-late-ballots/

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/supreme-courts-alito-tells-pennsylvania-020951134.html

234264 Suzyv, replying to Suzyv, 10, #882 of 1290 🔗

Apology if already posted. Interesting 8 mins interview with Graham Hutchinson, ex-Senior Chief Biomedical Scientist. There are now many strains of Covid19, more contagious but less harmful, the flu vaccine and masks. You are more likely to get influenza with a cloth mask and masks are basically useless- so where has the influenza gone?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEFXRnDCYkc

234282 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Suzyv, 5, #883 of 1290 🔗

… is this what the Danish study found I wonder (regarding cloth masks)?

234498 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ozzie, 2, #884 of 1290 🔗

I’m convinced it did, yes.

234302 ▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Suzyv, 4, #885 of 1290 🔗

It’s a fantastic short video but i would urge everyone to watch and pass on to as many people as possible .

234412 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to wat tyler, 1, #886 of 1290 🔗

Here’s a link to some comments I posted on 2020-11-05 about Graham Hutchinson’s video.

My comments include his credentials and a list of papers that he has co-authored. These facts might help you sell this guy to others.

234464 ▶▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Mabel Cow, #887 of 1290 🔗

Thank you Mabel .Lets hope we can all sell him on . I’m glad he supports Mike Yeadon 100%.These are the people we need on side .

234340 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Suzyv, 1, #888 of 1290 🔗

This *was* one of the links in the post you’re commenting on…

234274 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 9, #889 of 1290 🔗

Ok, the US has old creepy Joe, a President that half the world will only see as a fraud and joke. Soros, Gates etc you have your man, well done ! can we have our freedoms back now please ?

234289 ▶▶ calchas, replying to nickbowes, 5, #890 of 1290 🔗

Not yet they don’t.Only the media has declared him President.

234278 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 34, #891 of 1290 🔗

Please someone send this letter to Toby and get LS to start a campaign to BAN MASKS IN AND AROUND SCHOOLS – they are a HUGE safety risk. No one should conceal identity around children. Children should NOT BE concealing identity! Never mind the obvious horrific health risks of masks on children, it is a SAFETY ISSUE! Do we have to wait until a child is abducted by a masked imposter who fools a teacher??? We MUST BAN MASKS IN SCHOOLS URGENTLY!!!
https://www.tes.com/news/what-should-you-do-if-student-refuses-wear-mask?fbclid=IwAR1qc9Zb-V0R4A_RzITebmD3ngKftGxwaPDyAMq2iRvapMJ7DkCkK6Vqqo0

234292 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 4, #892 of 1290 🔗

Get in touch with UsForThem
They are doing things for the children, but what exactly IDK

234296 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Rosie, 11, #893 of 1290 🔗

It came from UsForThem but we need more… a mass movement to ban masks in and around schools urgently. It’s dangerous. It’s child abuse. Why is anyone tolerating this?!

234310 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 3, #894 of 1290 🔗

I’ve been asking the same thing and urging parents to take this on.

Have you seen what Margareta Griesz-Brisson has to say? I feel sure she would get involved in a popular campaign.

I’ve tackled parents in the street on this one, the shocking shocking sight of a child whose heart and mind are being broken by her parents hovering round the child in masks. The most basic human need, to see a warm and loving face.

I’ve also been trying to work out how to get campaigns such as this off the ground. Message me here and I’ll tell you my ideas which you might be able to use. https://www.beautyandthebeastlytruth.com/contact-us

234470 ▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #895 of 1290 🔗

BRAINWASHING ALERT
Nurseries are now asking parents to wear masks when waiting outside to pick up their children. On the first day of this edict my grandson’s first words on seeing his maskless mum were ‘where’s your mask mummy?’

234527 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #896 of 1290 🔗

That letter makes me feel physically ill, and violent.

234300 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #897 of 1290 🔗
234320 ▶▶ leggy, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 3, #898 of 1290 🔗

That’s utterly disgusting, but at least the comments give me some hope.

234387 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to leggy, 1, #899 of 1290 🔗

Every one of them against

234330 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 21, #900 of 1290 🔗

It is important to create a culture where mask wearing becomes second nature. Schools need to promote mask wearing and communicate the benefits to all through form time, assemblies, posters and modelling.
 It takes time and constant reinforcement to establish social norms, but until those norms are established, the use of sanctions will be necessary to support and promote the message in the meantime.

Chilling stuff! I’d want my kids out of a school whose head could write that.

234372 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Cheezilla, 17, #901 of 1290 🔗

I will NEVER accept a society where you cannot see a face. It creeps me out…
I hardly go shopping, seeing the adverts with people wearing masks gives me anxiety.
Just went shopping, 2 till operators masks less and I deliberately went to their till.

234448 ▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Silke David, 12, #902 of 1290 🔗

I do the same. Waitrose were the worst mask bullies back in July/August. Now at least 50% staff are mask free. Even my local security guard (who knows of the attack on me by British Transport Police) is heavily against. He makes a point of removing his mask and coming to speak to me to see how I’m doing. Brings tears to me eyes.

Btw, I have now seen the letter from a Liverpool school telling parents their kids will be forcibly tested without explicit consent. Parents have to WRITE IN to exempt children. How many letters will be lost?! Children brainwashed into thinking parents are the enemy by refusing to have them barcoded and tested. This is SERIOUS!

234515 ▶▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 4, #903 of 1290 🔗

Waitrose were the worst mask bullies back in July/August.

As a result they lost me as a customer after 16 years. John Lewis (including Waitrose) are not doing well financially.

234529 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Victoria, 5, #904 of 1290 🔗

I have been boycotting my local M&S after I was bullied by a member of their staff and this despite the apology from the manager and head office.

234451 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Silke David, 8, #905 of 1290 🔗

I’m with you. It gives me anxiety as well and I try not to even make eye contact with these “people” as they are not human to me and don’t deserve my acknowledgement in any way. I feel badly for those who are forced to work in a mask and don’t treat them the same way, but the idiots wearing them outside (no mandate here) don’t even deserve eye contact.

234463 ▶▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 8, #906 of 1290 🔗

I don’t make eye contact with masked faces either, citing my trauma. When I see an unmasked face I make a huge point of engaging and smiling and I ALWAYS say to that person, “It’s lovely to see your face.” They always say, “Yours, too!” We should make this our war cry. SO NICE TO SEE YOUR FACE!

234620 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ dommo, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #907 of 1290 🔗

or if you want to go the full julian and sandy, “how bona to vada your dolly old eek!”

234556 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #908 of 1290 🔗

That is utterly, utterly horrible. The abolition of humanity.

234392 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #909 of 1290 🔗
234440 ▶▶ Simon Cook, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #910 of 1290 🔗

Good evening CivilianNotCovidan,

We’ve had this exact scenario play out just this last week at my daughter’s Primary School – Ive been in touch with UsForThem about it. I intend to follow up with them early next week.

I already sent a letter to the acting head requesting to see the Risk Assessment, particularly as the main parental entrance to the school at drop-off/pick-up is directly from a public park!

Best regards

Simon

234536 ▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 3, #911 of 1290 🔗

Saw someone coming out of a school office yesterday and the moment she was outside she tore off the muzzle with a gleeful gesture not out of place in a 1930s Hollywood musical. Gave her a big smile of approval.

234298 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to crimsonpirate, 8, #913 of 1290 🔗

We’d better start sending him some letters reminding him of his duty of care, which no amount of ‘primary ;legislation” can void.

And he’d better do the right thing for the British people or find himself at The Hague facing charges of crimes against humanity. These people need to start to feel the fear and back off.

234321 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to crimsonpirate, 3, #914 of 1290 🔗

Ugh!!

234396 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to crimsonpirate, 5, #915 of 1290 🔗

Come the second of December we will revert to the tailored geographically targeted approach because economically that is less painful.”

Welcome to lockdown infinity.

Got a problem with a council? Lockdown with no compensation.

Want to give a council a huge bribe? Lockdown with compensation.

Forever, and ever, and ever.

234492 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #916 of 1290 🔗

Has anyone told Gove?

234497 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to A. Contrarian, #917 of 1290 🔗

Too many tories know /have crossed Gove ( and his wife ); not sure they’d vote him ( or her ) leader.

234507 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ceriain, 3, #918 of 1290 🔗

Isn’t his wife a sceptic? Or was back in the summer anyway.

234563 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to A. Contrarian, #919 of 1290 🔗

Are they still together?

234817 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to A. Contrarian, #920 of 1290 🔗

It wouldn’t surprise me if Gove was both Hawk and Dove (hate those expressions); he’s just playing the political game.

I wonder if he thinks he’s Francis Urquhart ; and living in a real life version of House of Cards .

234502 ▶▶ hat man, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #921 of 1290 🔗

Yes, sure it’s written into law, just like Raab says. The problem is, so is the next sentence in the lockdown 2.0 SI, p. 27:
Expiry
23. —(1) These Regulations expire at the end of the period of 28 days beginning with the day on
which they come into force.
(2) This regulation does not affect the validity of anything done pursuant to these Regulations before they expire.’

234581 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to hat man, #922 of 1290 🔗

You missed us today

234639 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #923 of 1290 🔗

God help is all!

234305 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 21, #924 of 1290 🔗

So Boris has just congratulated Biden and is eager to work on climate change.

FFS. Biden has not been confirmed through official channels. Even if he had won by a landslide there is a process.

It’s going to be a fascinating few months.

234309 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to mhcp, 13, #925 of 1290 🔗

Boris and Biden are on the same side, don`t ya know !

234317 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to mhcp, 9, #926 of 1290 🔗

Even if the vote survive the impending legislation, right up to the Supreme Court, it looks like it will be a dead-on-arrival President Biden – possibly literally. Newt Gingrich interviewed on Fox last week said if there is no serious rift between Biden and Harris before inauguration he would be very surprised. It ain’t over till the fat lady sings!

234331 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 10, #927 of 1290 🔗

The problem is that the media here (and I’ve just been watching Mike Parry on TalkRadio) are running with the line that Trump is a “sore loser”. That he should bow out gracefully. Trump just issued a statement plainly stating “if the votes are legitimate then the result will stand”. The trouble was I was watching the live streams from various places where votes were being delivered at 4 and 5 in the morning (8 or 9 our time).

Now Alito has ruled PA’s votes have to be separated. They have to push for this because stuff is just not adding up. And interestingly here we have the media saying “move on nothing to see” for this and yet are now getting sceptical for Covid-19 and lockdowns.

234334 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to mhcp, 3, #928 of 1290 🔗

Here’s a good analysis:

https://stateofthenation.co/?p=35119

234360 ▶▶▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to calchas, 3, #930 of 1290 🔗

That isn’t true it was really 73%. Trump though almost certainly will get Wisconsin added to his tally. That Milwaukie drop at 4.45am, 135k votes for Biden will get a full audit.

234385 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to nottingham69, #931 of 1290 🔗

Have you got a source or that please – the 73%?

Thanks!

234347 ▶▶▶▶ Draper233, replying to mhcp, 23, #932 of 1290 🔗

I find it terribly ironic that the UK MSM, particularly the BBC, keep repeating that Trump is asserting electoral fraud “without evidence”.

During this whole year, the government have been basing Covid-related decisions on nothing but dodgy, discredited models which “are not predictions” and have proven wildly inaccurate time and time again.

But apparently, as far as the BBC is concerned, this evidence from SAGE is more than acceptable.

234413 ▶▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Draper233, 1, #933 of 1290 🔗

Yep. Funny how the cognitive dissonance roundabout goes.

234359 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to mhcp, 2, #934 of 1290 🔗

Billionaires are billionaires because they use their lawyers well!

234350 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to mhcp, 3, #935 of 1290 🔗

What’s happening about the polling cards with the Blockchain watermark??

234351 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to mhcp, 5, #936 of 1290 🔗

No far from over. Full audits in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin before the results are signed off. Johnson is such a fool the US Senate has no interest in wasting on climate change.

234477 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to mhcp, 2, #937 of 1290 🔗

Can you imagine that conversation:

“Wiff, waff… piddle, paddle, um.. um.. err. piddle wiff.”

” Duh… Errr. duhh”

Like the bloody flowerpot men.

234535 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Ceriain, 1, #938 of 1290 🔗

Good night, little weed!

234574 ▶▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to Ceriain, 1, #939 of 1290 🔗

I’m sure they will get on very well…

234318 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 31, #940 of 1290 🔗

Greetings Fellow Sceptics!!!

Anyone here going to their local war memorials tomorrow to pay their respects to the war dead?

Definitely I shan’t be standing outside my home. I will be going to mine and offer a silent apology that their sacrifice was in vain.

234326 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #941 of 1290 🔗

Yes, I will be.

234337 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #942 of 1290 🔗

tempted to go to the Cenotaph- can’t imagine the TSG wading in

234345 ▶▶▶ Hoppy Uniatz, replying to crimsonpirate, 6, #943 of 1290 🔗

I’m intending to be there. Black coat, poppy, bicycle.

234344 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #944 of 1290 🔗

Same, even though it may as well be cancelled now.

234432 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to DRW, 2, #945 of 1290 🔗

Just go on your own. You might find others there too

234357 ▶▶ Kelly deacons, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #946 of 1290 🔗

I will be.

234362 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #947 of 1290 🔗

Mine’s in a pub! 🙁

234429 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #948 of 1290 🔗

Yep. I have my wreath ready and a small band of sceptics, we will be there, despite council telling us to stand on our doorsteps. NO WAY!
Also have a minor celeb coming along to do a reading. I couldn’t face it myself as I know I would cry. (Really). Memorial is just opposite the vicar’s house. The one who wants everyone locked down because of “the nature of the virus”. At least the tenor bell at the church will be tolling, although unfortunately we are not allowed to ring. And unfortunately I can’t get round that one.

234530 ▶▶ annie, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #949 of 1290 🔗

I will be holding a remembrance service, not with the coward nappy-wearers who will be insulting the memory of dead at our war memorial, but alone, in clean air.

234580 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #950 of 1290 🔗

Yep

234328 PhilipF, replying to PhilipF, 10, #951 of 1290 🔗

Life can never cage a man like this!

Just been watching “Lonely Are The Brave” with Kirk Douglas and I thought of us, our little band of brothers and sisters who share our thoughts on this website. It’s the story of a cowboy in a time of roads, lorries and helicopters The story of a man out of synch with his times, a non-conformist, someone who does things his way no matter what society may tell him.

234356 ▶▶ PhilipF, replying to PhilipF, 5, #952 of 1290 🔗

“Invasion of the Body Snatchers” better describes everybody else.

234329 Adamb, replying to Adamb, 16, #953 of 1290 🔗

“Joe Biden vowed to act against the pandemic on “day one”

Oh god here we go..

234335 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Adamb, 7, #955 of 1290 🔗

Bomb the virus.

234339 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Adamb, 22, #956 of 1290 🔗

Well, he’s not president and never will be. Note that our traitorous prime minister was out of the starting gate first with his congratulations. This is Florida 2000 on steroids multipeld across at least half a dozen states.

234369 ▶▶ guy153, replying to Adamb, 17, #957 of 1290 🔗

The problem with Trump is he such a divisive figure that huge numbers of people assume he must be wrong even when he isn’t. This seemed to be the case with HCQ.

I’m not sure it ever helps much to have him on your side and it’s not clear that his views on Covid were making any net positive difference. They just polarized the debate unhelpfully.

Somebody with his independence but who was more diplomatic and got more people on his side could have made a much bigger difference.

234379 ▶▶▶ Adamb, replying to guy153, 4, #958 of 1290 🔗

I think that’s very fair.

234397 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to guy153, 15, #959 of 1290 🔗

Yeah more diplomatic I know. Not like he brought at least three Middle Eastern and North African countries to a peace deal with Israel or anything.

Trump has always been the guy that calls you out for horseshit and has enough brash to get away with his own. I would rather have him in the White House especially for the second term. He has no qualms now.

Remember the Russia Hoax and the spying on the Trump campaign. Not to mention the job done on Mike Flynn who it appears has evidence of Benghazi. The one big issue with Trump is Julian Assange.

But let’s see how this plays out. If the numbers are recounted and Trump wins, the salt will be glorious

234407 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to guy153, 8, #960 of 1290 🔗

If you are independent and that successful and wealthy, you are by definition not diplomatic. You have to be bloody minded, aggressive and thick (not thin) skinned. You will almost invariably upset somebody, somewhere. You need to use lawyers and advisers pro-actively, and people get hurt/lose. The MSM has commented on how many court cases Trump has pursued to discredit him. He is no different to other billionaires of his generation – Apple/Steve Jobs, Bernard Arnault/LVMH, Carl Icahn.

234618 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to guy153, 4, #961 of 1290 🔗

Trump has been a nuisance regarding lockdown scepticism for all he was right about Hydroxychloroquine. In all honesty, Theresa May’s intervention has been one of the most useful in terms of changing the narrative and bringing people on board. Trump is an oaf and a bully and rubbish as I think Biden will be as President, like most Democrats, I hope Trump is gone but I very much doubt this presidential race is even close to being over.

234789 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to guy153, 3, #962 of 1290 🔗

What you say is true, but the reality is that the entire reason Trump was elected, first by Republicans and then by Americans, despite all his shortcomings, is that all routes to power for reasonable conservatives and traditionalists were blocked. Trump came and told the establishment globalist lefties in charge of both Democrat and Republican party structures some of the things that desperately needed to be said (such as that Iraq had been a disaster), and was thick skinned and wealthy enough to smash through all the usual barriers by which people with such views are marginalised and shut out.

Despite the massive media and big tech bias against him, rising to near hysterical levels of hatred for 2020, and despite being massively outspent, he got enough votes to be elected once, and raised the numbers voting for him the second time, after having seen him in office for 4 years.

There can be no honest doubt that he would have won the election by a significant margin were it not for the gross media and big tech bias against him, which cannot have failed to swing uncommitted voters against him (advertising does actually work on many people, you know). Whether or not more direct rigging played a big part, we will likely never really know.

234422 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Adamb, #963 of 1290 🔗

I’ve always said the pandemic will be over the day after his Inauguration.

234428 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to OKUK, 4, #964 of 1290 🔗

I don’t think so. Biden rode that horse to ‘victory.’ He’s not about to dismount. He probably couldn’t even if he wanted to. No, with Biden there will be no deviation from the script.

234433 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Ovis, 3, #965 of 1290 🔗

I agree. The Dems are in too deep with the Covid narrative and their supporters are scared shitless. Day 1 doesn’t start until after Inauguration though.

234457 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 2, #966 of 1290 🔗

Agree with Ovis and Lisa.
Covid and ‘climate change’ are both means to an end and are way too useful to be dropped. Expect more and not less if it does prove to be Biden.

The 4 horses of the apocalypse are Woke + climate change + covid + the various global PTB

234333 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 12, #967 of 1290 🔗

the soundtrack here in West London is fireworks

234355 ▶▶ Kelly deacons, replying to crimsonpirate, 3, #968 of 1290 🔗

Same here.My cat is hiding,my dog is barking her brains out…..all is right in the world……sort of.!

234371 ▶▶▶ Hampshire Sceptic, replying to Kelly deacons, 4, #969 of 1290 🔗

Lots of fireworks here in our Hampshire village just as there were on the 5th.

234375 ▶▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Hampshire Sceptic, 3, #970 of 1290 🔗

Same here in the heart of South Wales valleys.

234549 ▶▶ Edward, replying to crimsonpirate, 7, #971 of 1290 🔗

Good to hear. I used to get fed up with the endless fireworks at this time of year, but they’re now a welcome sign of normality. It’s one of several turnarounds in my reactions to things: I now almost approve of noisy parties, misbehaving youths etc. because they’re also likely to be resisting the covid-related restrictions. And I now regard the police with suspicion. Just another example of the havoc wreaked on society by the insane government.

234553 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Edward, 1, #972 of 1290 🔗

although it could be the liberal lefties in Chiswick celebrating the Biden win

234346 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 67, #973 of 1290 🔗

According to our local rag, our local cathedral is offering a prayer service (online) every evening at 6pm. Prayers will be said for NHS and key workers.
Here is my letter to the editor and the dean:

I was pleased to read that the cathedral will do a “service” every evening, until I read prayers will be said for NHS and key workers.

What about all the other people affected by unjustified government policies during the last 7 months?
The people who lost their jobs or are had their income reduced? The pupils of all ages who have been denied schooling?
The residents of care homes who have been denied a decent life and visits from relatives and friends?
The thousands of people whose cancer treatment was delayed, stopped, or who were not screened or diagnosed?
The families of people who died due to lack of “normal” NHS services? Who were so scared by the main stream media propaganda to seek medical care and died of heart attacks and stroke?
The families of – especially the young – people who have committed suicide?
The students being denied a proper university education which they have paid a lot of money for? The self employed who do not qualify for government help and have to sell houses?
The business owners who had to shut permanently?
The list goes on.
It is time we are realistic, that the government has pursued the wrong strategy, they have no clue anymore and it is high time that they sit down with people not as stupid as the people in SAGE, but business leaders, to develop a strategy to get us out of this mess.
Sadly Brexit was a 4 year process, lets really hope this doe NOT take as long.

234348 ▶▶ Kelly deacons, replying to Silke David, 7, #974 of 1290 🔗

Bravo!

234358 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Silke David, 9, #975 of 1290 🔗

Awesome letter. Good for you!!

234425 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Silke David, 18, #976 of 1290 🔗

This illustrates something I have said to several clergymen: church leaders have shown a callous indifference to the very real injuries inflicted on the people of this nation.
Remember that the true opposite of love is not hatred; it is indiference.

234461 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Stephanos, 4, #977 of 1290 🔗

Good for you. Keep telling them Stephanos in English, Latin, Greek and any other language they might understand.

234517 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Stephanos, 5, #978 of 1290 🔗

Agree. I find the behaviour of the church callous and unfeeling, too busy virtue signalling over BLM and trying to derail the wishes of the people over Brexit that they’ve forgotten what their actuall job is and worse betrayed those who needed spiritual comfort the most.

If there is a God, I do hope that He smites those clergymen and women who have failed in their duty under His name.

They deserve everything they get.

234758 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Stephanos, 2, #979 of 1290 🔗

Churches and Church leaders appear to have been paid off by our spendthrift government.

234459 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Silke David, 6, #980 of 1290 🔗

Excellent letter.

Turn the tables on them. They’ve been calling us granny killers (average age of covid death 83) and it’s time they were told what they are. And add some real emotion to it instead of their grotesque virtue signalling faux emotion.

234514 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Silke David, 3, #981 of 1290 🔗

Well said!!!! Bravo!

234525 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #982 of 1290 🔗

Bravo indeed!
The coward churches fawn on whoever they think is popular. How about standing up for what is right?

234638 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to annie, 1, #983 of 1290 🔗

Exactly!!! They’ve failed to follow in Jesus’ example.

234354 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, #984 of 1290 🔗

Creepy Joe Biden as President, i wonder if that will mean that covid quietly dies out now !

234361 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to nickbowes, 8, #985 of 1290 🔗

The media don’t call president. He isn’t president.

234430 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to nickbowes, 2, #986 of 1290 🔗

I think the opposite. Had Trump won, the Dems would have had no political motivation for keeping it going. I don’t think the mask and lockdown zealots can simply walk it back because their guy won. These people have completely bought into the narrative that Covid is a deadly virus and everyone is susceptible and can die.

234437 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 6, #987 of 1290 🔗

Agree. There was (is?) one route out of this: Trump winning.

234481 ▶▶ Julian, replying to nickbowes, #989 of 1290 🔗

Au contraire

234363 Lancastrian Oik, 3, #990 of 1290 🔗

Oh, look- a mink!

234364 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 74, #991 of 1290 🔗

Breaking news

‘Breakthrough by eminent scientists who say it is possible to eradicate Covid 19 within seven days’

The group that has been working in secret say it is possible to eliminate Covid 9 within seven days

A spokesperson said. ‘We realised that flu had been eradicated this year and we wanted to find out how that had been done. We had a very close look at this and examined in detail the process by which flu had been eliminated.

We then reverse engineered the process to give us the model we needed to eliminate Covid 19. It’s a very simple solution to a very complex issue. From next Sunday we will just rename it as something else

234402 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Cecil B, 8, #992 of 1290 🔗

Brill! LOL

234506 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Cecil B, 4, #993 of 1290 🔗

Ha ha bloody brilliant.

NO you did not eradicate the flu. Flu is now labeled as Covid – both are respiratory illnesses and very similar. So similar that they had to revert to testing (very unreliable) to diagnose covid.

234752 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Victoria, 1, #994 of 1290 🔗

The PCR test cannot diagnose Covid-19.

234365 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 23, #995 of 1290 🔗

Ch4 news showing Biden supporters celebrating on the street – all masked!!!
Trump supporters – no masks!!!
I know the voters had to vote about more than covid policies, but the willingness to wear face coverings among the democrats is scary!

234368 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Silke David, 8, #996 of 1290 🔗

And the lying US media were all maskers…for the cameras at least.

234414 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to OKUK, -18, #997 of 1290 🔗

Look on the bright side – the guy who recommended injecting disinfectant (amongst numerous other idiocies) ain’t in the the White House.

234479 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 8, #998 of 1290 🔗

Do you really think Biden is more helpful in ending coronapanic than Trump?

234455 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Silke David, 1, #999 of 1290 🔗

It’s really that simple isn’t it.

234578 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Silke David, 1, #1000 of 1290 🔗

Friend lives in NJ (and voted for Joe 🙄 ) said the masks were completely politicised – mask for Joe, barefaced for Trump. She wears them happily.

234366 Jo, replying to Jo, 33, #1001 of 1290 🔗

Just saw this on twitter, from the Light Truthpaper:

We’ve been busy putting issue three together, so I’ve only just managed to get out delivering papers this morning at my local market. Not one person refused a paper, everyone I spoke to has had enough, and one market stall owner chased me and asked for more copies to hand out!

234401 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Jo, #1002 of 1290 🔗

Grateful for link/s
How do we get to help deliver them?

234406 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Rosie, 3, #1003 of 1290 🔗

They’ve got a website. lightdistribution@mailbox.org is how to contact re distribution

234424 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Rosie, 4, #1004 of 1290 🔗

There is an email link on their site or email lightdistribution@mailbox.org

This is the email I got

You can be added to the network and not engage at all, but you will get notified of when papers are in your area and you can collect some to distribute locally if you like.

You also have the option of being a ‘hub’ to hold papers for others to collect or ‘relay driver’ to transport between hubs.

234367 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 3, #1005 of 1290 🔗

More stuff that tells us what we already know, in a good way:

‘In this current study it was evident that Ct value can predict the duration of hospital stay of COVID-19 infected patients, which also suggests that viral clearance will be faster in higher Ct value patients. This data can be implemented in other country to evaluate the patients stay at hospital and also helpful in managing the healthcare staff in successfully handling the COVID 19 infected patients.’

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.11.04.20226365v1.full.pdf

234452 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Tim Bidie, 3, #1006 of 1290 🔗

The C-19 infection’s contagiousness last only 10 days. After that they can be PCR pos but no risk to others. Why can’t hospital quickly sort out whether they need to be isolated or not as many elderly will be hospitalized for other things whilst still being PCR pos but not contagious.

234520 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1007 of 1290 🔗

This is the NHS we’re talking about ……

234373 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 12, #1008 of 1290 🔗

Klaus Schwab has tweeted out that Mayor Joe Anderson is preparing detention facilities for those who refuse tests. Is this guy just trolling? Simon Dolan says that he has asked for videos of testing centres in the city and elsewhere and can’t find any video evidence of sush centres being used.

234376 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Londo Mollari, #1009 of 1290 🔗

that photo is clearly somewhere in the far east

234400 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #1010 of 1290 🔗

Nudging, ham fisted nudging.
Trying to make his words happen in the real world.

234417 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Londo Mollari, 6, #1011 of 1290 🔗

Saw a video of Klaus Schwab…George Soros has a rival as international Bond villain! I’m imagining some grand final scene in the next Bond movie where Soros, Schwab and President Xi, formerly partners in crime and world domination, fall out with each other and end up killing each other thanks to some clever intervention by Bond.

234450 ▶▶▶ dommo, replying to OKUK, 4, #1012 of 1290 🔗

come, come mr bond you disappoint me – you get as much fulfilment out of vaccinating as i do, so why don’t you admit it?

234590 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to dommo, 6, #1013 of 1290 🔗

These sharks have been especially adapted to deliver the vaccine by means of a simple nose harness. Once we lower you into water- very, very slowly, Mr Bond -you will receive multiple vaccine doses from the sharks and die an extremely agonising death. Your death will recorded as “from Covid”, as are all vaccine deaths. You will simply be one more statistic. ..a tiny irrelevant addition on a spreadsheet. Goodbye Mr Bond.,

234617 ▶▶▶▶▶ dommo, replying to OKUK, 3, #1014 of 1290 🔗

“needle-less” to say, Bond had the last laugh…

234453 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to OKUK, #1015 of 1290 🔗

That image of detention centre has to be fake

234449 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #1016 of 1290 🔗

I think that’s a fake Schwab account, it was posted earlier. Even the profile pic is of him in his Bond villain garb.

234374 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 18, #1017 of 1290 🔗

Had a circular from Devon Council today; ‘ Earlier this week, Dr Virginia Pearson, Director for Public Health Devon, urged everyone to ‘act now to stop the virus in its tracks’ and help prevent local health services being overwhelmed this winter.
Then on twitter, Matt Hancock says
We must suppress #coronavirus , protecting the economy, education & our NHS, until a vaccine can make us safe.
What are these people on? how do you stop a virus in its tracks? how do you suppress a virus? and what do you do if the vaccine does not go according to plan?
If there is a world re-set plan? then I am somewhat convinced that it is not these goons that are in on the plot, they are only ‘a pawn in the game’. They are out of their depth in a hole they dug for themselves, subjecting us all to misery; they are too arrogant to face up to the reality of their ludicrous policies.

234382 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Steve Martindale, 7, #1018 of 1290 🔗

I think MH is just cynically continuing the narrative – so that the idiotic director above mentioned keeps churning out the scaremongering rubbish. She might believe it, but he doesn’t.

234409 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Steve Martindale, 10, #1019 of 1290 🔗

It’s simple – all you have to do is track down every single one of the 350,000 trillion virus particles out there in the UK and make sure each of them is carefully deactivated.

234566 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to OKUK, 3, #1020 of 1290 🔗

Aerial spraying of Cilit-Bang should do it. Virology 101 stuff. Honestly….I wish they would get a grip.

234441 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #1021 of 1290 🔗

They would rather protect the service than the people.

234471 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Steve Martindale, 10, #1022 of 1290 🔗

Why is only the NHS “ours”? Who does education and the economy belong to?

234510 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #1023 of 1290 🔗

What are these people on? how do you stop a virus in its tracks? how do you suppress a virus? and what do you do if the vaccine does not go according to plan?

No hope for the survival of the species. They are as thick as planks

234377 Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 5, #1024 of 1290 🔗
234419 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Ozzie, 20, #1025 of 1290 🔗

Brighton march went well, and entirely peaceful as there were no Territorial Support Group thugs present. Some locals still sadly seem very passionate in favour of lockdown despite no local cases. I can only assume they are on full pay and don’t value personal freedom, they only offer insults and won’t have any dialogue so who knows.

Not quite sure why the Daily Mail feels the need to point out the maskless bit, apart from a few young virtue signallers and elderly everyone along the seafront was mask free.

234447 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Darryl, 8, #1026 of 1290 🔗

Yes I was there, it was so good! I was amazed how few masked people compared to my town where even cyclists wear them.

I recommend going on one of these marches to energise and lift spirits,

The free hugs were nice too:-)

234388 AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 7, #1027 of 1290 🔗

Victor Davis Hanson | US Election 2020

“We feel like we’re living in a third world country”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6idYZ25Qq6w

234410 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 6, #1028 of 1290 🔗

A fine man

234404 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 48, #1029 of 1290 🔗

Police car and 2 officers have seemingly spent all day blocking people from going up to the Jack & Jill Windmill car park on the South Downs in Sussex. What a complete waste of police time and resources, Sussex Police are a complete bunch of officious killjoys.

Anyone who thinks the police are under resourced is mistaken – just a matter of misplaced priorities. Must work out at £100 an hour wasted easily.

234415 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to Darryl, 16, #1030 of 1290 🔗

How do they justify that when national trust grounds etc are open? We’ll be driving out for a walk in the country tomorrow.

234423 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Adamb, 8, #1031 of 1290 🔗

I can only assume the road going up to the National Trust car park is public. It didn’t really work as it appeared people were parking elsewhere instead.

234421 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Darryl, 7, #1032 of 1290 🔗

Did anyone ask why they were stopping people going for a walk, I’m not far away and would like to go up there this weekend.

234436 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Dan Clarke, 8, #1033 of 1290 🔗

The police had blocked the road right at the bottom to stop anyone even pulling or turning into the road. The A273 is a busy fast road and has no pathway along that section so I couldn’t stop and question them. I suspect they targeted that car park today and they will perhaps move onto another busy one tomorrow (Stamner Park, Ditchling Beacon or Devils Dyke).

The council went to the effort of blocking off Ditchling Common car park for a period last lockdown, absolutely pathetic. They learn nothing.

234442 ▶▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Darryl, 8, #1034 of 1290 🔗

They learn nothing? Well they have got hollow heads, so that’s only to be expected.

234505 ▶▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Dan Clarke, 6, #1035 of 1290 🔗

Plenty of tracks and bridleways leading up there, just start your walk further away and make it part of the route. Trying to block every beauty spot given that folks have basically no other options for a day out is on a hiding to nothing.

234439 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Darryl, 20, #1036 of 1290 🔗

Sussex Police are a complete bunch of officious killjoys”. Yes, but more precisely they are wankers; a force of wankers.

234444 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 4, #1037 of 1290 🔗

I don’t do Twatter. Is it possible to put a tweet on their tweet-site that they are a force of wankers?

234446 ▶▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Tenchy, 6, #1038 of 1290 🔗

yes it is – but a lot of other people will almost certainly have beaten you to it…

234454 ▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Darryl, 10, #1039 of 1290 🔗

New Forest car parks were rammed today, the only pigs I saw were the ones munching acorns to produce bacon.

234490 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Lyra Silvertongue, 5, #1040 of 1290 🔗

Any if them called Boris?
Not that he’d make good bacon.

234500 ▶▶▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to annie, 6, #1041 of 1290 🔗

These ones were allowed to roam wild, the Boris/Valance variety are confined in such a way that they constantly have their noses in a trough.

234587 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to annie, 1, #1042 of 1290 🔗

Boris was a spider – and you know what happened to him. Mwahahah!

234589 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to annie, 1, #1043 of 1290 🔗

Over fat.

234416 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 22, #1044 of 1290 🔗

https://twitter.com/Covid19Crusher/status/1325121825144270848/photo/1

 Why can’t we have the same data as North Dakota? They distinguish between hospital admission and ICU admission between due to Covid or with Covid. 35%  of C-19 hospitalizations are not due to Covid and almost 40% of  C-19 ICU are not due to Covid.

234466 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to swedenborg, 4, #1045 of 1290 🔗

Well, they can; they just don’t want to.

234472 ▶▶ theanalyst, replying to swedenborg, 5, #1046 of 1290 🔗

It would be an improvement. Perhaps Deloitte can make a formal recommendation and earn another 500K fees for it?

234602 ▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to theanalyst, 2, #1047 of 1290 🔗

Only £500k, must be a quick job, hardly worth billing.

234486 ▶▶ annie, replying to swedenborg, 6, #1048 of 1290 🔗

Because our statistics are lies.

234493 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to annie, 1, #1049 of 1290 🔗

+1

234542 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to swedenborg, 6, #1050 of 1290 🔗

NHS admissions data is about as dodgy as a nine pound note, you might imagine that 1 admission = 1 person but there are indications that with the NHS, 1 person entering the system can generate more than 1 admission.
In my view hospital data should always be presented as, admissions, total in hospital, deaths and discharges but they do not do this, one can only guess that is partly because if they did the figures would not balance.

234565 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to swedenborg, 3, #1051 of 1290 🔗

Because they use Excel. Version from 89 or so.

234569 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Silke David, 4, #1052 of 1290 🔗

Nothing wrong with Excel… in the hands of those who know how to use it.

The Track and Trace people certainly don’t; the weekly spreadsheet they put out with their figures is one of the most amateurish pieces of ‘work’ I’ve ever seen.

234606 ▶▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1053 of 1290 🔗

Have you noticed who is the author on the ONS spreadsheets? Senior Statistician with The ONS.

You would have thought that Excel would have been the go to tools for him, clearly not when looking the the work books produced.

234420 stefarm, replying to stefarm, #1054 of 1290 🔗

Did anybody go to hollyrood for the rally today??

234445 ▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to stefarm, 1, #1055 of 1290 🔗

I didn’t know that there was one otherwise I would have went.

234518 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to AnotherSceptic, 6, #1056 of 1290 🔗

1st Saturday of each month. Some good speakers today, in particular a psycho analyst who presented the case as to how we are being groomed and brainwashed all courtesy of the behavioural science cretins….we all know this of course but it was good to see so many people in agreement.

234669 ▶▶ Scotswifie, replying to stefarm, 1, #1057 of 1290 🔗

Yes I was there. I was a bit worried after seeing what happened in London on Thursday but it was all very peaceful.

234677 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Scotswifie, #1058 of 1290 🔗

I didn’t stay for speakers corner

234467 Londo Mollari, 15, #1059 of 1290 🔗

West Midlands (I think) Police have just issued an apology on twitter for two of their officers telling an unmasked man to get out of Sainsburys (he had an exemption).

234469 theanalyst, replying to theanalyst, 10, #1060 of 1290 🔗

Is this video genuine? UK Police appear to be behaving mob handed, nasty, and aggressive towards a non masker in a supermarket.

https://www.facebook.com/MartinCostelloUK/videos/703101490323055/

234474 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to theanalyst, 3, #1061 of 1290 🔗

Saw that earlier. Disgusting

234475 ▶▶ dommo, replying to theanalyst, 3, #1062 of 1290 🔗

see above

234488 ▶▶▶ theanalyst, replying to dommo, 3, #1063 of 1290 🔗

Yes – Thanks – they got it wrong! Idiots.

234496 ▶▶ Chris Hume, replying to theanalyst, 5, #1064 of 1290 🔗

Great video. He was very calm in the circumstances. It must be very intimidating to have police officers bullying you like that. Would like to think that I would have refused to leave and ask them whether they understood ‘the law’, but that is easier said than done when the old bill are all lined up against you.

234512 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Chris Hume, 3, #1065 of 1290 🔗

dommo has post the cops’ apology above.

234679 ▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Chris Hume, 2, #1066 of 1290 🔗

Interesting that the person said that he did not have to tell the PCs what his exception is. I though that police should be told if asked?

This does not excuse the fact that these officers clearly should not be out in public without a responsible adult.

Whilst the government continually changes the guidance, police officers who are being used to enforce guidance should understand the guidance.

I try never to break the law & I was brought up to respect authority, however I am finding it difficult to respect police when I see this type of action.

234707 ▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Dave #KBF, 2, #1067 of 1290 🔗

I think you only have to tell the police you are exempt. By virtue of the equality act you don’t have to tell them what it is.

234473 dommo, replying to dommo, 41, #1068 of 1290 🔗

https://www.west-midlands.police.uk/news/apology-issued-over-misunderstanding-face-mask-exemption-sandwell-store

how the fuck can you send officers out on the beat who don’t even understand the law!!!!

but a brilliant brilliant own goal…

234483 ▶▶ annie, replying to dommo, 25, #1069 of 1290 🔗

The victim should get compensation.

234491 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to annie, 23, #1070 of 1290 🔗

They certainly caused anxiety to a man who told them he suffered from anxiety . Failure in their duty of care, for sure.

234487 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to dommo, 23, #1071 of 1290 🔗

Well, that didn’t take long, did it?

People need to keep posting these videos; outing the ‘case’, ‘deaths’ and ‘hospital numbers’ stats as bullshit, showing the fakery. It does work.

People are seeing this; they need to see more.

234499 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to dommo, 23, #1072 of 1290 🔗

We stated that it was a legal requirement for an exemption card or badge to be shown. This was incorrect and the officers have misinterpreted the guidance.

and then the Police made it worse by continuing the LIE . The officers did not tell him that he was required to wear an exemption card, in fact after he told them that he was exempt and also the reason, they told him that it was law that he had to wear a mask and then told him to leave the store. They had the most awful smug and condescending attitude.

234593 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Victoria, 3, #1073 of 1290 🔗

Rather funny anyway, as the cards are to be had for the asking ( or a small sum on eBay).

234503 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to dommo, 14, #1074 of 1290 🔗

Those police officers should be sent to a re-education camp to learn about the regulations and the Equalities Act 2010.

I mean, how thick can they be?

No wonder I now avoid the police like the plague especially as they’re also muzzled up now.

234548 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to dommo, 10, #1075 of 1290 🔗

I view that as a positive – a civilised apology from the Police. Might show the Police are seeing which way the wind is blowing.

234610 ▶▶▶ dommo, replying to OKUK, 5, #1076 of 1290 🔗

let’s see – but in any event, that’s the kind of anti-lockdown PR that money can’t buy, so thanks very much thick plods!!!

234552 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to dommo, 10, #1077 of 1290 🔗

The officers have been spoken to regarding their understanding of the guidance and current legislation around the wearing of face masks.
We’ll also ensure that this is shared with all of our officers across the force, so we are certain that we’re all clear on the current guidelines.

Better late than never. Idiots!

234558 ▶▶▶ Ossettian, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #1078 of 1290 🔗

” on the current guidelines”

234559 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ossettian, 11, #1079 of 1290 🔗

Last time I looked the police weren’t responsible for enforcing “guidelines”.

234656 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #1080 of 1290 🔗

When they decide that they are, and do it, and get away with it, we are living in a police state, as Lord Sumption pointed out. They must not get away with it.

234562 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to dommo, 10, #1081 of 1290 🔗

Needs to be more than a faux apology. The female officer, in particular, needs a disciplinary.

234494 Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Lyra Silvertongue, 37, #1082 of 1290 🔗

Had a very nice day out riding and walking today in a National Park, and pleased to say all but the tiniest fraction of people I encountered – which must have been at least a hundred – were paying little heed to the official stupidity and indeed the area was verging on congested in places. People smiled and greeted each other as they passed on the trails, no swervers, no Karens, no masks, just good folk enjoying the autumn colours. Pretty sure there were some groups out ignoring the meeting rules too. Shame the pub was closed, but other than that a normal and proper experience.

234501 ▶▶ dommo, replying to Lyra Silvertongue, 13, #1083 of 1290 🔗

i had very much the same experience in my part of the world too – most encouraging!

234508 ▶▶ Bumble, replying to Lyra Silvertongue, 15, #1084 of 1290 🔗

Same with me in my local country park. Lots of families, not a mask in sight, play areas open and busy, big queue at the cafe takeaway. Roads still busy.

234513 ▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Bumble, 37, #1085 of 1290 🔗

as i have said before, this is how the lockdown ends – not with a riot, but with normal people everywhere doing normal things every day in unstoppably huge numbers – what i like to call extremely civil disobedience…

234521 ▶▶▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to dommo, 18, #1086 of 1290 🔗

Precisely. This is why I never advocate for big protests when ‘soft’ pushback works so well; the other thing that’s happened is that people have unwittingly broken or bent the rules before and no harm came of it, so they keep on doing the same things and come to realise the stupidity of prohibiting them.

234544 ▶▶▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to dommo, 10, #1087 of 1290 🔗

Agree. Plus a riot. Plus an organised group of people going into London after lockdown and buying, with cash, old cars that they drive into central London and then abandon in the middle of major thoroughfares, masked to avoid identification, and bring the whole city to a standstill.

234603 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to dommo, 6, #1088 of 1290 🔗

To be honest I initially thought the first lockdown would fizzle out in the same way, but it didn’t, presumably because most of the public were on board with it. The difference this time is that they’re not.

234567 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Lyra Silvertongue, 19, #1089 of 1290 🔗

Yes – I met up with a few people today. We found a bench to congregate around and had a lovely afternoon chatting (and a small amount of alcohol may have been consumed just to be sociable) – lots of people walked past us obviously wondering what we were doing but only one person shook her head at us. Everyone else very smiley and one even said she’d bring a bottle next time! Please do we said.

My mum went for a walk and came across another lady – she didnt know her – the lady said “I don’t care any more!” and they continued walking together. New friends.

Funny what constitutes a very good day these days.

234571 ▶▶ Nic, replying to Lyra Silvertongue, 12, #1090 of 1290 🔗

Dont worry the police are starting to be an embarrassment., and are loosing the peoples support as we start to see throgh this bull shit .The tide is turning most people are ignoring the lock down .only a matter of time now before this crap finishes.

234601 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Nic, 5, #1091 of 1290 🔗

God – how I hope you are right!

234671 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Lyra Silvertongue, 1, #1092 of 1290 🔗

Karen’s can be lockdown sceptics – white working class women hatred is so classless.

234533 theanalyst, 17, #1093 of 1290 🔗

I count at least 12 Coppers on this video.

For a terrorist attack that would be acceptable but to prop up the Blond Dictator on the TV by fining a gym where healthy people go to improve their lives its a bit OTT I reckon.

It is contrary to good medical advice and contrary to the science.

All excess deaths since May 2020 are in the Home. The Blond Dictator on the TV is a murderer. He pretends excess deaths are in hospitals but that is a massive lie.

Do the UK Police want to be his accomplices? I would not think so/ hope not! Most Coppers I know are quite nice.

https://www.facebook.com/CM201QP/videos/?ref=page_internal

234537 peter, replying to peter, -1, #1094 of 1290 🔗
234547 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to peter, 5, #1095 of 1290 🔗

.. .the Dems have a conspicuous talent voidthey need to fill fast. Come to think of it, the whole world has a talent void it needs to fill, and can’t seem to remember how it is done.

234541 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, #1096 of 1290 🔗

Tell me this isn’t true!

234557 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Cheezilla, 13, #1097 of 1290 🔗

It ain’t so, Joe!

I recommend Theredelephants.com site. Has some persuasive detail on why Trump has the right and the duty to challenge what could well be election chicanery. I would there is definitely a prima facie case and plenty of circumstantial evidence,

234572 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to OKUK, 8, #1098 of 1290 🔗

They’ve been broadcasting their intended chicanery for weeks. I do hope they don’t pull it off. That would be the last nail in the coffin of democracy.

234584 ▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Cheezilla, 9, #1099 of 1290 🔗

Epstein didn’t kill himself.
Biden didn’t win.

234630 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1100 of 1290 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ficae6x1Q5A&feature=emb_logo Watch from 33 minutes in – see the vote-switching happen in front of your eyes on live TV!

234663 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to OKUK, -5, #1101 of 1290 🔗

Oh dear! What bollocks! The fat satsuma lost the popular vote at the last election.

‘Daddy. The people are nasty to me, and I’ve spent all your dollars. Again. Boo hoo.’

Now, lets stick to the knitting.

234812 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 2, #1102 of 1290 🔗

So excited by your hatred of Trump that you have to repeat the same message about him? In that case, here’s the same response again:

And equally, last time, he had almost the entirety of the mainstream media and big tech propagandising against him. The only differences are that this time they were even more open about it and Biden outspent him by an even more colossal amount.

Hmm, perhaps there could be some connection between propaganda spend and power, and popular support. Perhaps it’s similar to how support for lockdowns has been manufactured by propaganda. Who’d’a thunk, eh? Perhaps advertising works!

234582 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Cheezilla, 10, #1103 of 1290 🔗

Is it true that the ridiculously biased msm has declared Biden the winner? Yes? Is it true that Biden has actually got more votes than any presidential candidate in history? I doubt it.

234628 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Chicot, 8, #1104 of 1290 🔗

They think that like with Covid, they can get people to doubt what they are seeing with their own eyes. How likely is it that Joe Biden really got more votes than Obama???
To quote from a comment from under a Lude media video, not only has Election Day become Election Week – but the guy who had no campaign, can’t fill 20 “social distancing circles,” never leaves his basement, can’t speak in full sentences but did manage to say he’d shut down the Oil industry, has countless videos of him inappropriately touching & smelling women & children and multiple, credible accusations against him of sexual assault – is allegedly beating the other guy who regularly fills sports stadiums (with upwards of 57 thousand people at his last rally), has near 100 mile car parades, and led the best periods of economic growth in Human History – indeed absolutely absurd.’

234579 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Londo Mollari, 10, #1106 of 1290 🔗

Did they really mostly pick on middle aged women?!

234583 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Londo Mollari, 7, #1107 of 1290 🔗

Are they really police, or the ‘new recruits’?

234604 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Londo Mollari, 11, #1108 of 1290 🔗

Despicable behaviour by the paramilitary force. Policing by consent? What utter shite!

234666 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #1109 of 1290 🔗

Looks like common assault to me.

Remembrance of Fascism ceremony?

234674 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Londo Mollari, 4, #1110 of 1290 🔗

Face-Nappy fascists.

What a shit show.

234690 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Two-Six, 4, #1111 of 1290 🔗

Looks like all the uniformed participants have just demonstrated they are not fit & proper persons to recieve monies from the public purse including pensions.
Sack all policemen involved with being a Covid Womble & remove pension entitlements paid by the taxpayer.

234780 ▶▶ Hampshire Sceptic, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #1112 of 1290 🔗

Yet another instance of huge numbers of plods acting aggressively. I would in the past have considered myself a supporter of the police but I am afraid their thuggish behaviour in trying to enforce the immoral diktats of Al Johnson and Twat Wancock has caused me to lose all respect for them.

234577 Jim Binks, replying to Jim Binks, 42, #1113 of 1290 🔗

Another criminal act tonight! Set off fireworks in my garden with family and friends . I now realise that Guy Fawkes was on to something when he wanted to remove the government. Its only lockdown if you comply.

234591 ▶▶ Margaret, replying to Jim Binks, 24, #1114 of 1290 🔗

“It’s only lockdown if you comply”

Yes, we’ve just had a lovely firework evening with our son, grandson, neighbours and their children. No one batted an eye.

234595 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Margaret, 8, #1115 of 1290 🔗

Great to hear!

234653 ▶▶▶ Sodastream, replying to Margaret, 4, #1116 of 1290 🔗

We did same it felt great!

234594 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jim Binks, 8, #1117 of 1290 🔗

Surrounded by fireworks again tonight. Been going on for two weeks now. Mind you, there’s a firework factory just up the road so we can buy really good ones very cheaply. Nice because people tend to get the pretty sky-decorating rockets rather than just a load of tedious bangs.

234597 ▶▶ annie, replying to Jim Binks, 9, #1118 of 1290 🔗

All you need is some gunpowder. And a plot.
Then you’ve got them over a barrel.

234614 ▶▶ bucky99, replying to Jim Binks, 5, #1119 of 1290 🔗

Fireworks here too, pretty lame though I have to admit. But most of the neighbours were out to have a chat and ignore the nonsense

234599 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 33, #1120 of 1290 🔗

Called in to (free enterprise) Specsavers in Wales next week for an eye test.

Not a cat in hell’s chance of a dental checkup.

GP surgeries are still deploying barbed wire around the perimeter.

This whole thing is a medics’ panic.

The NHS is unfit for purpose and ought to be defunded.

234621 ▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Stuart, 12, #1121 of 1290 🔗

Prepare for the treatment at Specsavers. I have just had a pair of glasses from there and never again.

The eye test wasn’t too bad although I caused some fuss when unmasked and refusing the sanitiser on entry.

I had to return as not enough time to choose frames and it was not a great experience. Again being unmasked and not wishing to use the sanitiser the staff member called for the manager who after running through the same questions asked if I was prepared to wash my hands in which. I agreed as a concession.

I then I was given a box and told to put everything I touched into it. This was because all needed to be sanitised after I had refused to wear gloves even after washing my hands. I won’t bore you with the details but in short not a nice insight if this is the new normal.

Just by not wishing to comply with all this insanity rended me ‘unclean’ in the eyes of the shop staff. Wouldn’t recommend.

234634 ▶▶▶ Lili, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 8, #1122 of 1290 🔗

I’m usually a Specsavers customer but had a crap experience with one of their opticians last year so recently booked my eye test with Vision Express. They were fantastic. Didn’t bat an eyelid when I turned up unmasked. All very polite and friendly and the same again when I went to collect my glasses.

234736 ▶▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Lili, 1, #1123 of 1290 🔗

Was an emergency but should it happen again will bear VE in mind. Thanks.

234667 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 4, #1124 of 1290 🔗

Insane. I need new glasses, these ones are two year old now and my eyes are two years older too. It’s getting harder to see stuff close up. No way am I going to specsavers. I will go blind from all the PPE bullshit.

234681 ▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1125 of 1290 🔗

Slight variation on ” Go woke, go broke” – can’t think of an appropriate rhyme just now.

234733 ▶▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Two-Six, #1126 of 1290 🔗

Broke my glasses and couldn’t get into my normal optician for a month. Emergency but wouldn’t have gone knowing what would happen.

234680 ▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 1, #1127 of 1290 🔗

Get the script and go to Glasses Direct.

234712 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to FenTyger, #1128 of 1290 🔗

yer i did have one from an eye test just before the covid bomb was dropped. i could probably do with another eye test as that was….freekin ages ago.

234600 Dave #KBF, replying to Dave #KBF, 29, #1129 of 1290 🔗

Going to the war memorial in town tomorrow, I assume local events will take place. Even if joe public is not allowed to attend.

234612 ▶▶ bucky99, replying to Dave #KBF, 9, #1130 of 1290 🔗

Think I’ll take the kids and do the same, we will remember

234626 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Dave #KBF, 15, #1131 of 1290 🔗

Normally don’t have time for this event as it has become hijacked by the virtue signalling set, falling over each other to be the most mawkish. Much prefer private reflection however this year is different.

234676 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #1132 of 1290 🔗

Ours in the churchyard is ”by invitation only”. Needless to say, I shall be gatecrashing.

234740 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Banjones, 1, #1133 of 1290 🔗

Yep, me too

234611 Cheezilla, 2, #1134 of 1290 🔗

Louise May Creffield doing a brilliant interview with Desmond Swayne on the SORUK fb (closed but worth joining) group. Scroll down:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/saveourrightsuk

234622 Jfr, #1135 of 1290 🔗

Once again I recommend people to look at Dr No’s site:

https://dr-no.co.uk/2020/11/07/youll-never-walk-alone/

234623 Jo Dominich, replying to Jo Dominich, 32, #1136 of 1290 🔗

Glad tidings from the real world. On arrival home at 6.00 pm the pub next to which it live had a fireworks display in the rear car park all lights on the pub were on. Checking it out there were around 18 people drinking beer ordered on line of course no social distancing enjoying themselves. Way to go!

234625 ▶▶ bucky99, replying to Jo Dominich, 8, #1137 of 1290 🔗

Love it!

234624 bucky99, replying to bucky99, 35, #1138 of 1290 🔗

Out and about today, who’s have known there was a “lockdown” going on? Certainly the good folk of south Brum weren’t paying the blindest bit of attention to it.

And very reassuring it was too!

No mask in the local shop, great catch up with the similarly un-masked owner – had a laugh a few hours later when he almost didn’t see me whilst out on the bike, at a roundabout, both saw the funny side.

Parks were full of (seemingly organised) kids football, basketball being played at another, and right next to that tennis on two courts.

This is a farce, we’re better than this, we’re going to prove it and the Politburo can do fuck all. We are free.

234637 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to bucky99, 10, #1139 of 1290 🔗

There seems to have been quite a big protest in Birmingham today.

234643 ▶▶▶ bucky99, replying to Londo Mollari, 7, #1140 of 1290 🔗

Brilliant if there has been – I’m a little out of the main protests, just doing my little bit.

234650 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to bucky99, 18, #1141 of 1290 🔗

It’s the little bits that will end the farce. Just lots and lots and lots of little bits.

234661 ▶▶▶▶▶ bucky99, replying to annie, 3, #1142 of 1290 🔗

💯

234665 ▶▶▶▶▶ Chris Hume, replying to annie, 9, #1143 of 1290 🔗

Absolutely Annie. No massive ‘event’ just ‘lots and lots’ of little bits debunking the nonsense. Don’t pay attention to what people say, pay attention to what they do.

234668 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Chris Hume, 2, #1144 of 1290 🔗

Yes. By their deeds you will know them.

234631 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 4, #1145 of 1290 🔗

Is it true that Merthyr Tydfil has the highest infection rate in the U.K. but has just been in lockdown for the fire cracker period ?

Are they in or out on Monday ? And why is the rate still so high ?

234636 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Leemc23, 8, #1146 of 1290 🔗

If we believe Dripford, Wales is out Monday with no local lockdowns. Lots of fireworks tonight. I had my rule breaking fireworks party on Thursday.

234648 ▶▶ annie, replying to Leemc23, 1, #1147 of 1290 🔗

Their fire’s been breaked!

234633 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 11, #1148 of 1290 🔗

We know that more people have died or will die from other serious conditions, than from Covid, when will that be investigated and why is it being allowed to happen. Sounds criminal.

234641 ▶▶ James007, replying to Dan Clarke, 11, #1149 of 1290 🔗

Yes indeed. A cruel and heartless government, a leader bereft of moral principles or courage, a party obsessed by focus groups and retaining power at all costs. Every MP that voted with this government for these measures is culpable.

I hope at the very least this is the beginning of the end for the Conservative Party. (In the Canadian Federal election in 1993, the Progressive Conservatives went from being the party in power to having only 2 seats. Who knows, maybe that could happen here).

234647 DRW, replying to DRW, 27, #1150 of 1290 🔗

The past few days I have been feeling a little more positive. We may have Lockdown II, but the case was far weaker and only drawn more scrutiny. I have overestimated how compliant the public still are (excluding masks), more are evidently tiring of it despite the latest efforts. They may not be fully awake, but certainly aren’t as lost as I thought they were. This quiet resistance is just as encouraging as the noisier protests, maybe we can rely on the millenia-old human spirit to get us out of this.

234652 ▶▶ annie, replying to DRW, 8, #1151 of 1290 🔗

It’s human versus zombie.

234660 ▶▶▶ bucky99, replying to annie, 5, #1152 of 1290 🔗

Humans winning round here 👍

234664 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to annie, 5, #1153 of 1290 🔗

Chief Zombie being one Matthew John David Hancock, the man who was born without the humanity genes.

234793 ▶▶▶ Watt, replying to annie, #1154 of 1290 🔗

My thoughts exactly. Everywhere I go these days, I feel that I’m a reluctant extra in a horror movie! However, good news…

https://www.thefreedomcycle.com/covid/biggest-criminal-fraud-case.html

234659 ▶▶ CGL, replying to DRW, 2, #1155 of 1290 🔗

Et tu DRW? 😀

234735 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to CGL, 2, #1156 of 1290 🔗

Ok for this time of night, and it’s good to see positive things happen …. but but but
No let up in our efforts, in fact we need to double and quadrupal them…

these comments are underestimating the massive power that faces us. We don’t know exactly how the PTB operate, but they do, and they have enormous power and strength. Don’t forget that in some countries you can be shot for not wearing your mask.

Don’t forget that each day we see new appalling happenings that continue to push the digital world onto we humans.

No complacency, no stopping, KBO

234970 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Rosie, #1157 of 1290 🔗

Yes – just nice to see DRW in a positive frame of mind

234649 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 26, #1158 of 1290 🔗

.

234654 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #1159 of 1290 🔗

I will be there

234678 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to wendy, 2, #1160 of 1290 🔗

I can’t be there but I’ll be there in spirit. I hope it all goes well.
Arnie.

234691 ▶▶ Cotton, replying to Cheezilla, #1161 of 1290 🔗

Any more details?

234670 annie, replying to annie, 13, #1162 of 1290 🔗

Big Brother Is Watching You. In Wales at least. And he is using the result to Follow The really, really sophisticated Science:

When we use phones, go on to Facebook or Google, it is possible to see the sort of trips we make, or whether we spend more time at home.
This can help scientists tell whether the measures are working.

So: way to be free: keep off Facebook, don’t use Google, and leave your smartphone at home.

BB isn’t all that smart really.

234737 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to annie, 1, #1163 of 1290 🔗

Great thing about tech is it can be turned off.

234768 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Leemc23, 1, #1164 of 1290 🔗

Not an expert but I believe turning off will have little effect if someone is determined to track you. The only foolproof method (per Edward Snowden) is phone in a freezer.

234770 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, #1165 of 1290 🔗

Just leave the friggin’ thing at home.

234962 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, #1166 of 1290 🔗

Or a faraday case

234672 Dave #KBF, replying to Dave #KBF, 27, #1167 of 1290 🔗

Whilst still a small percentage of the general populous, sceptic numbers are increasing and lockdown II is helping this.

I know we are over 7 months in, but I have not seen or heard of a single person go from being sceptical to being lockdown zealot. Have you? Man people love lockdown, but their numbers are not increasing.

This has got to be good news.

234675 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Dave #KBF, 12, #1168 of 1290 🔗

Yes – I hope they extend lockdown.

“Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake”

  • Sun Tzu
234689 ▶▶▶ PhilipF, replying to calchas, 8, #1169 of 1290 🔗

Yes, but..
We will be ruined economically by the time the sceptics gain the upper hand and our leaders realise the game is up. We can say we told you so, but how much satisfaction will that give us as we survey the rotting corpse of our country.

234699 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to PhilipF, 3, #1170 of 1290 🔗

It’s ruined anyway mate – nobody’s paying that debt back in real terms.

The reason we are having the pandemic is that the situation was already beyond repair.

234805 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to calchas, 2, #1171 of 1290 🔗

You are right.The die is cast.
The best we can hope for now is a bad recession and limited deaths from missed cancer screenings etc.
The worst doesn’t bear thinking about.

234705 ▶▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to PhilipF, 8, #1172 of 1290 🔗

We need to keep pushing to wake up the non sceptic, at the same time as we push our elected representatives, and protest as we see fit.

I am saddened that the economy is being flushed down the toilet to allow the globalists take control of all our lives.

People who have worked hard to build SME businesses should not loose the manner they are doing a the moment.

234773 ▶▶▶▶ Watt, replying to PhilipF, 1, #1173 of 1290 🔗

But surely…after such a crime, and against their own people, we will demand reparations be paid. There are precedents, after all…….!

234728 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Dave #KBF, 2, #1174 of 1290 🔗

Nobody else in my street saying a word, though I suspect some are.
Just one person messaged regretting that we’d not be going to a Remembrance day parade, and I said that nothing will stop me from paying my respects in person at a war memorial and …. no reply, except some disgusting hoot about the US election.

234730 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Dave #KBF, 6, #1175 of 1290 🔗

How can a virus that spreads quicker than flu have a pandemic phase that lasts longer than flu ? Honestly. How ? It’s impossible no ? And even if it was all wavy – those waves become ripples in the end. Not each wave is going to be pandemic levels. It’s so over !

234739 ▶▶ Chris Hume, replying to Dave #KBF, 4, #1176 of 1290 🔗

Correct Dave. The direction is all one way. Towards the logic.

234673 calchas, replying to calchas, 16, #1177 of 1290 🔗

This covid thing is now at one level just a big fucking joke, isn’t it.

Oh yeah, the great big scary pandemic.

We all know it’s bollocks.

It’s just that not all of us know that we know – yet

234684 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to calchas, 4, #1178 of 1290 🔗

Still trying to convince my wife of this fact.

234772 ▶▶▶ Mrs issedoff, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 4, #1179 of 1290 🔗

Still trying to convince my husband too. Out of interest do you end up rowing over it or is it simply the elephant in the room?. I’m so angry at him for his closed mind that I struggle to not turn to violence at times!. I really believe that along with all the other fall out due to this plandemic, there will be a lot of relationship break downs where couples are on a different page. I know that people can’t agree on everything, but this is much deeper and important than the new colour scheme for the lounge.

234800 ▶▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Mrs issedoff, 1, #1180 of 1290 🔗

You are exactly where I am trying to convince my husband. Mostly it’s the elephant in the room, but it doesn’t take much to tip me over and then I present a poor case due to my total exasperation that he doesn’t get it. He is beginning to see through the lies now that some of the MSM are reporting it but doesn’t share my total horror at the attack on civil liberties and criminalisation of normal human behaviour. Despair.

234955 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Andrea Salford, #1181 of 1290 🔗

This must be extremely hard for you. In some ways harder to live with someone who isnt in agreement than to live alone .
Keep posting here for some support won’t you.

234682 TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 14, #1182 of 1290 🔗

This evening I’ve emailed individually the MPs who voted against on Wednesday to say “Thank you”.
I’ve received two personal replies already, at this time of the evening.

I’d urge anyone who hasn’t done so yet to bang out a quick note to each of them. They held out against enormous pressure and may well be feeling beleaguered – let them know it wasn’t in vain.

234697 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 5, #1183 of 1290 🔗

Firstly, thank you for doing that, it is enormously important to connect and remember humility in these horrible dark days.

Secondly, it would help me enormously if you can supply their email addresses if you can please?

Cheers,

Arnie.

234708 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 7, #1184 of 1290 🔗

Here is the list of email addresses for the MPs who voted against the motion.

If you want it in a different format ie just email addresses, please ask

BAKER, Steve <steve.baker.mp@parliament.uk
HOLLOBONE, Philip <philip.hollobone.mp@parliament.uk
AFRIYIE, Adam <adam.afriyie.mp@parliament.uk
BONE, Peter <peter.bone.mp@parliament.uk
Office of Graham Brady <altsale@parliament.uk
BRINE, Steve <steve.brine.mp@parliament.uk
CHOPE, Christopher <CHOPEC@parliament.uk
DAVIES, Philip <philip.davies.mp@parliament.uk
DJANOGLY, Jonathan <jonathan.djanogly.mp@parliament.uk
DOYLEPRICE, Jackie <jackie.doyleprice.mp@parliament.uk
DRAX, Richard <richard.drax.mp@parliament.uk
DUNCAN SMITH, Iain <iain.duncansmith.mp@parliament.uk
FYSH, Marcus <marcus.fysh.mp@parliament.uk
GREEN, Chris <chris.green.mp@parliament.uk
GRUNDY, James <james.grundy.mp@parliament.uk
HARPER, Mark <mark.harper.mp@parliament.uk
HENDERSON, Gordon <gordon.henderson.mp@parliament.uk
LOUGHTON, Timothy <tim.loughton.mp@parliament.uk
MACKINLAY, Craig <craig.mackinlay.mp@parliament.uk
stephen@stephenmcpartland.co.uk ; MCVEY, Esther <esther.mcvey.mp@parliament.uk
MERRIMAN, Huw <huw.merriman.mp@parliament.uk
MORRIS, AnneMarie <annemarie.morris.mp@parliament.uk
PENNING, Mike <mike.penning.mp@parliament.uk
REDWOOD, John <john.redwood.mp@parliament.uk
ROSINDELL, Andrew <andrew.rosindell.mp@parliament.uk
SMITH, Henry <henry.smith.mp@parliament.uk
SWAYNE, Desmond <desmond.swayne.mp@parliament.uk
SYMS, Robert (2nd Mailbox) <symsmp.office@parliament.uk
THOMAS, Derek <derek.thomas.mp@parliament.uk
WALKER, Charles <charles.walker.mp@parliament.uk
WHITTAKER, Craig <craig.whittaker.mp@parliament.uk
william@williamwragg.org.uk ; GIRVAN, Paul <paul.girvan.mp@parliament.uk
LOCKHART, Carla <carla.lockhart.mp@parliament.uk
PAISLEY, Ian <ian.paisley.mp@parliament.uk
BARRON, Janet <BARRONJ@parliament.uk
HUGGINS, Katharine <katharine.huggins@parliament.uk>

234714 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Dave #KBF, 1, #1185 of 1290 🔗

You just beat me to it! I can relax now – thanks!

234718 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Dave #KBF, 3, #1186 of 1290 🔗

Katharine Huggins is the address for David Jones.

234720 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Dave #KBF, 2, #1187 of 1290 🔗

good one

234778 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Dave #KBF, 1, #1188 of 1290 🔗

Great stuff! Thank you guys! I’m on the case.
Keep up the great work.
Thanks again.
Arnie.

234683 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 10, #1189 of 1290 🔗

So it begins:

Britons could be told to ‘self-quarantine’ for two weeks in January as the price of spending time with relatives at Christmas, SAGE papers suggest

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8923255/Britons-told-self-quarantine-two-weeks-January.html

234686 ▶▶ bucky99, replying to Sarigan, 5, #1190 of 1290 🔗

Hahaha, not I! They can go and do one.

234688 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Sarigan, 7, #1191 of 1290 🔗

LOL. These people are mad.

234695 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 1, #1192 of 1290 🔗

Beyond mad

234727 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 2, #1193 of 1290 🔗

Every Spy thriller that comes easily to mind seemed to involve a potty scientist taking over the world. There is a reason for that.

234700 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to Sarigan, 13, #1194 of 1290 🔗

Short answer for SAGE: FO.
Not doing ANY of it now. None of my family or friends are taking a blind bit of notice this time round. Or will. Once trust is lost they can’t get it back. They’ve lost the tryst. Fuk ’em.

234799 ▶▶▶ sam, replying to Arnie, 2, #1195 of 1290 🔗

i know 2 people so far who didn’t do any quarantine , happily went off traveling somewhere too one after international flight too.haven’t found out yet if they are fellow lockdown sceptics [ at heart if not subscribed here ],although sicne no one i know aside from 2 friends and one brother are so there is a good chance aren’t . so discouraging . but at least they didnt obey the quarantine rule! so they aren’t total sheep, maybe there’s hope .

234710 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Sarigan, 2, #1196 of 1290 🔗

So not doing that will be cause of the “third wave” will it?

234729 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to DRW, 5, #1197 of 1290 🔗

Third wave. Can you imagine if they tried to claim a third wave. Cretins

234734 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Leemc23, 4, #1198 of 1290 🔗

Yes, they’ve already been softening us up for it.

234774 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to DRW, 2, #1199 of 1290 🔗

Yep, but if they look closely at my data they will see that my waving hand has reversed and is only registering one digit. Problem solved.

234713 ▶▶ MsStroppster, replying to Sarigan, 5, #1200 of 1290 🔗

Just tell them to fuck off

234719 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to MsStroppster, 6, #1201 of 1290 🔗

… and then tell them to just FUCK OFF!

234731 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to MsStroppster, 4, #1202 of 1290 🔗

… or even to get (sage ‘n’ onion) stuffed – they’re a bunch of turkeys.

234723 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Sarigan, 7, #1203 of 1290 🔗

Sage members clearly have 1) no friends 2) no family and 3) no fucking idea at all.

234777 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Leemc23, 2, #1204 of 1290 🔗

Nearly right…Ferguson had a fucking idea but it involved him repeatedly criss crossing London at the height of the first lockdown to shag his bit on the side, in direct contravention of the rules he was so keen to see introduced

234725 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Sarigan, 6, #1205 of 1290 🔗

More Psy Ops. Ignore them, they’ll change the tune later and expect us to be grateful. We’ve seen it all before.

234744 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Sarigan, 1, #1206 of 1290 🔗

Key workers will be exempt I assume… A lockdown, in other words.

234776 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1207 of 1290 🔗

And bankers…
Other wankers are available and will be exempted too.
But not you.
Or me.

234745 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Sarigan, 4, #1208 of 1290 🔗

‘doorstep coffee hour’, ‘Community champions’

OMG! I’ve never read so much shite in my life!

234784 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Sarigan, 1, #1209 of 1290 🔗

How are statements like this from SAGE anything to do with science? Do they now not even wait to see the impact of measures? Is data just getting in the way of their models? They have lost all objective perspective of themselves and are a disgrace to genuine scientists.

234803 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Sarigan, 1, #1210 of 1290 🔗

We will be back in lockdown after Christmas that much is certain after Sunak extended furlough.They are softening us up to take the blame with articles like this

234685 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 8, #1211 of 1290 🔗

Just been watching the BBC’s covid version of the Festival of Remembrance. They just bang on as if no-one could possibly know that this is all a pantomime, and that it does no credit to many of the people taking part. Those who truly ARE worthy of our admiration get somehow submerged in all the virtue signalling.
The BBC used to be good at this sort of thing. Now their lies stand out like sore thumbs.

234693 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Banjones, 7, #1212 of 1290 🔗

Please don’t watch the BBC – just turn the politically correct crap off.

Even Test Match Special is rubbish now.

234702 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to calchas, 5, #1213 of 1290 🔗

You’re right. It’s the first time I’ve watched anything on the BBC since VJ Day, which was very good. Never again though.

234791 ▶▶▶ sam, replying to calchas, 2, #1214 of 1290 🔗

i hate the politically correct stuff so much , i can’t tell you how much

234687 wat tyler, 3, #1215 of 1290 🔗

By reading the comments today iv’e learnt a few things that seem to me really good news .It seems many people are making their own propaganda ie leaflets and posters ,thats great lets cover the country . It looks like the right and left on this site are finally going to unite and fight for the good of the cause ,can the conspiracists and the cockups do the same (we will see). Also the greatest thing is the general enthusiasm that we are turning the tide .I think one of the things we are all happy about is lockdown 2 has a different feel to 1 .Many many people are clearly taking no notice this time ,kids are out playing together ,people are visiting each other and the police are not setting up road blocks everywhere .We just have to keep pushing ahead .The tower is falling and all we have to do is stand together keep united and keep pushing till it topples .We are almost there folks just one last fucking push and its over .

234692 Arnie, replying to Arnie, 40, #1216 of 1290 🔗

Suicides in Glasgow exceeding covid deaths.

London ambulance service reporting suicides now equalling covid deaths.

Figures exceedingly hard to find. Makes me wonder is somebody has something to hide?…

Which way is the suicide rate gonna go we wonder?

I lost my business partner to suicide 3 weeks ago due to losing our business. We lost our business due to lockdown NOT covid.

I will NEVER forgive or forget. I am relentless. It is heartening to see so many others like me.

My love and admiration to you all in these dark times. We cannot lose unless we allow it.

Arnie.

234698 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Arnie, 16, #1217 of 1290 🔗

And when they say ”covid deaths” they don’t even mean people actually suffering FROM it, but only showing a (usually false) positive test result.
So if suicide rates exceed these – then that’s truly appalling.
Oh dear, Arnie. This is so dreadful for you. Our anger on your behalf and those like you just cannot be expressed.

234716 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Banjones, 12, #1218 of 1290 🔗

I’m an old soldier Banjones, I’ll survive. But I don’t want to JUST survive any more, it’s personal, heart breakingly, gut wrenchingly so. I want the people dying this brought to account, I want them on trial and if/when found guilty I want them punished.

I know from past experience that nobody wins in a war. If this turns into a civil war I will fight because I have nothing left. That makes me a nightmare for the bad guys.

But we are civilised. That is where we must start & try to stay. Once we lose our humanity then we have lost.

Thank you for your thoughts it means a lot. Let’s get this problem sorted now before anybody else gets grief…

Arnie.

234704 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Arnie, 6, #1219 of 1290 🔗

Suicide numbers are not reported too often, once a year and a year lag here in Northern Ireland. For obvious reasons they don’t want to focus the media’s attention. The media are also careful not to publicise suicides.

That being said, even before Covid West Belfast had the highest suicide rate in Europe for young men.

234711 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Arnie, 7, #1220 of 1290 🔗

At least somebody wants your stories now. PANDA that is referenced above the line is collecting them. Do send them in. It’s such powerful witness to the lockdownistas.

https://pandata.org/submit-your-story/

and it’s something to do to express our anguish, to bear witness to it.

234722 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Rosie, 5, #1221 of 1290 🔗

Thanks Rosie. That’s tonight’s mission then. I hope you’re ok & bearing up. I’m definitely seeing the green shoots here, more than that actually it seems like the majority are totally ignoring the rules. We’ve got a long way to go but we are definitely winning.
Stay strong,
Arnie.

234748 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Arnie, 5, #1222 of 1290 🔗

WE will never forget, Arnie. 🙂

234782 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1223 of 1290 🔗

Thank you Ceriain. Still sponsored by Kleenex but we’re getting there. Fighting this for gives much needed focus.
Arnie.

234767 ▶▶ annie, replying to Arnie, 4, #1224 of 1290 🔗

We won’t lose and we won’t allow it.

234785 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to annie, 7, #1225 of 1290 🔗

Annie, thank you. We are building an army of resistance. We are slow to awaken but the slumbering giant is becoming more aware. I hope we can do this peacefully and with the power of the people. I will be happy to see arrests, court cases & prison for those guilty of these horrible crimes.

The only way we can possibly lose is if we allow it. The population are losing trust in the government, the government have got two choices, back down or ramp up. Either way we are winning. If they ramp up & hurt people even more then the fight back will be nasty. If the government backs down they’ll give an inch & we’ll take a foot.

The day of reckoning is coming.

Stay strong.

Arnie.

234889 ▶▶ Lili, replying to Arnie, 2, #1226 of 1290 🔗

Arnie, we will win this for you and your business partner and everyone who has been harmed by this evil government. I hope we all get to meet up and HUG/shake hands when this is over, for it may not be a war with guns but it is a war just the same.

234920 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Lili, 1, #1227 of 1290 🔗

Lili, thank you for your message. Yes it is a war against our own people. It’s domestic abuse on a national scale. The public trust the government to do the right thing and the government abuse the public. If it happened in somebody’s house you would expect strong and decisive action to be taken by the authorities.

WE are the only responsible adults left to stand up to this abuse. We will only lose if we let them win.

I look forward to that hug/hand shake. You cannot know how important a little thing like that is to me right now.

Stay strong.

Arnie.

234694 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 8, #1228 of 1290 🔗

More grief for the gym owners, snitched in by parking stasi:

https://twitter.com/pacertiOfficial/status/1325078074963222528

234717 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Sarigan, 9, #1229 of 1290 🔗

In years to come these collaborators and their children and grand children will have to watch these clips in documentaries

The scenes are reminiscent of the films we see of the SS committing atrocities in Eastern European villages

There will be a special place in hell for these people

234766 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1230 of 1290 🔗

Yes, a small, mean place where they snitch on one another for all eternity.

234771 ▶▶ Hampshire Sceptic, replying to Sarigan, 2, #1231 of 1290 🔗

Why are there so many plods there? Seems to me police are grossly overmanned. There appear to be at least 8 of them there. Of course if you report a burglary they will be too busy to come round.

234701 DThom, replying to DThom, 12, #1232 of 1290 🔗

Have been posting on a Golf Monthly forum the last two days on thread called “New lockdown will golf courses close”

You would not believe the virtue signalling sheep supporting the lockdown. “it’s for the greater good” or “to help saves lives”
When I tried to criticise the merry band running this travesty my posts were deleted by a moderator because they were “political”

234724 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to DThom, 9, #1233 of 1290 🔗

Why the freekin flip did they have to stop people from playing golf?

I mean, I can see why golf should be banned but not because of covid.
😉

234754 ▶▶▶ DThom, replying to Two-Six, 2, #1234 of 1290 🔗

Haha
Same though with all outdoor sports

234779 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to DThom, 5, #1235 of 1290 🔗

So why is it political when you argue against lockdown but not when you argue for it?

234801 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to DThom, #1236 of 1290 🔗

The demographic who play golf the most are elderly men.Golf clubs love arcane rules so have took to this like ducks to water.
Some have realised they will go bust if this continues but a lot,like pubs and restaurants acquiesce in their own demise.

234706 Sarigan, 2, #1237 of 1290 🔗

PCR is prone to contamination by very small amount of viral particles.

Hypothesis: we usually don’t notice contamination, especially when it is happening *before* putting the probes into the PCR apparatus. This may even mimick a super spreader event.

Thread with examples

https://twitter.com/frankfurtzack/status/1299762933073838082?s=21

234709 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 6, #1238 of 1290 🔗

Here is the link to the official guidance for Remembrance Sunday:

<dontfuckingbotherlooking.gov.twats>

234763 ▶▶ annie, replying to Sam Vimes, 4, #1239 of 1290 🔗

The memory if brave men besmirched by crawling grovelling nappied zombies.
Keep away.
Pay your own tribute, with dignity.

234715 calchas, replying to calchas, 4, #1240 of 1290 🔗

Songbird a new movie starts in the 216th week of lockdown:

“Indeed, Songbird is not deeply disturbing because it stretches the imagination into shockingly novel and unthinkable territory, as is to be expected from fiction, but rather, it sends chills up the spine because it speaks to what many of us are already horrified to have seen and believe will likely continue to see happening around us, in the name of “protecting the public against deadly viruses.”
In fact, many of the terrifying scenes within the film’s trailer will already be familiar to the public because have already been seeded and administered in shocking doses by the Chinese and global media, such as images of citizens dropping dead in the streets, being forcibly removed from their homes by militarized medical police, or the soldering shut of buildings to keep newly quarantined citizens inside their homes-become-lockdown cells.

It is conspicuous that Songbird somehow received approval to be the first feature film to be made during COVID-19 in Los Angeles when virtually all other major products were forbidden from continuing. Also, STX Entertainment’s top investors include Chinese companies such as Tencent, a multinational technology conglomerate holding company which includes medical and artificial intelligence divisions, and Hony Capital, which has direct investment ties to the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation

https://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/216th-week-lockdown-new-covid-film-songbird-scares-hell-out-people-because-it-may4

234751 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to calchas, 4, #1242 of 1290 🔗

“Predictive programming is a subtle form of psychological conditioning provided by the media to acquaint the public with planned societal changes to be implemented by our leaders. If and when these changes are put through, the public will already be familiarized with them and will accept them as natural progressions, thus lessening possible public resistance and commotion.” ~ Alan Watts

234943 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to calchas, #1243 of 1290 🔗

Isnt that what the main stream media do every day now? I think we’ve already got our eyes wide open for that game.

234760 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to calchas, 2, #1244 of 1290 🔗

This sounds like a hideous psy-op

234721 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 2, #1245 of 1290 🔗

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8924923/Boris-Johnsons-astonishing-bid-nail-leaker-bounced-second-coronavirus-lockdown.html

Good second bit by David Mellor, the first bit about the leak is a bit blah and seems to be #10 led. Quoting Doves and Hawks. Yuck

234813 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Leemc23, 1, #1246 of 1290 🔗

Excellent attack by Mellor, IMO.

234726 bucky99, 4, #1247 of 1290 🔗

Hey Toby… the ‘get the email latest’ pop up is having issues with cookies… would you be able to switch off until resolved please?

As in, the banner message is still showing after signing up… would help us mobile folk, thanks 🙏

234759 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 3, #1249 of 1290 🔗

Replying to myself because the more you read that report the more angry i guarantee you will get. And my (not yet born) grand kids will still be paying the price for saving the NHS ! Everyone clap.

Another thing that leaped out at me and keeps coming back due to a documentary I saw a few weeks ago, a minor point in the text was this “After a shift, the only place to change would be a staff loo”.

The one person I do know who died with Covid in March (note With) was a
Security officer who was continuing to work and using shared facilities, such as changing room toilets. I’ve read that Security Staff are actually (unlike shop staff) disproportionately affected with higher infections and deaths. Might that be due to shared facilities, maybe ?

My wife went to Stratford Westfield in early mid March and had to use a public toilet and a few days later…….Covid. Hospitals and care homes – shared toilets. Lots of Covid.

SARS Cov1 was known to carry through toilets…..

Has this theory been looked at ?

234762 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Leemc23, 3, #1250 of 1290 🔗

Faecal Plumes!!!!!!

234765 ▶▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1251 of 1290 🔗

Indeed. Maybe I’m over thinking of and I’m full of shit.

234781 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Leemc23, 2, #1252 of 1290 🔗

no really that’s what emerging medial science is saying, when you flush close the lid of you will spray a plume of toilet into the air in an aerosol and that’s how you get covids.

234816 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Two-Six, #1253 of 1290 🔗

Same as SARS. It spread through the plumbing of apartment buildings in Hong Kong.

234815 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1254 of 1290 🔗

I believe that was Conan Doyle’s name for his detective in the first draft. His housekeeper talked him out of it.

234941 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #1255 of 1290 🔗

My cereal nearly wallpapered the room! Tears of mirth!

234769 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 1, #1256 of 1290 🔗

Yep. Replying to myself like a nutter. It’s been looked at.

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/sars-cov-2-orofecal-transmission/

So nappies on your face and bum next.

234783 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Leemc23, #1257 of 1290 🔗

ah ehm…anti covid butt-plugs, fauchi recommended them back in april as well as goggles.

234795 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Leemc23, #1258 of 1290 🔗

What a surprise; Carl Heneghan again. What a guy!

234807 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1259 of 1290 🔗

Singapore got its Nosocomial infection rate down to statistical zero in March by being absolutely rabid about handwashing, operating under assumption primary transfer vector is contact or oral-foecal, same as Norovirus or Polio.
However that means all the antisocial distancing and face masks is a complete waste of time so it was memory holed.
https://www.market-ticker.org/cgi-ticker/akcs-www?post=239747

234761 ▶▶ annie, replying to Leemc23, 11, #1260 of 1290 🔗

And sudden,y, the hospitals have discovered something to their advantage:

“University Hospitals Bristol and Weston NHS Trust said of our report: ‘The figures relate to patients who have died and had tested positive for Covid-19.
‘This does not mean that they passed away from Covid-19 related disease.’
The other Trusts mentioned were approached for comment, and said deaths ‘with’ Covid-19 were not always the same as deaths ‘from’ Covid-19.”

Now who’d have thought it?

Bloody damn lying hypocritical twats.

234764 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to annie, 1, #1261 of 1290 🔗

Too right hypocritical in the extreme.

234814 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to annie, #1262 of 1290 🔗

Shocker, eh?

They now start to say exactly what we have been saying from the beginning, just to try and cover their arses!

Begs the question, though; why did they remove that from the deaths page on the Gov.uk page (see image).

I wonder if, on the back of this article, they’ll put it back.

234775 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Leemc23, 3, #1263 of 1290 🔗

That article…It blames all the naughty nurses for not wearing the face nappies and sharing snacks, and yes why not put all the covid patients, you know the ones that need all kinds of specialist care in a proper hospital in a sports center with one toilet and hundreds of ventilators and nothing else, to let them die there, sedated and ventilated.

great idea….

These people are just such…errr what’s the word…….it begins with C…..

234796 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Leemc23, 1, #1264 of 1290 🔗

Thelma Lukehurst, 88, believes her husband, Dick, 91, died in July after catching Covid-19 while in hospital after breaking his leg. Dick tested negative for the virus on arrival but four days later began to develop Covid symptoms and tested positive

Poor old bugger! Negligent Homicide? Criminally Negligent Manslaughter?

Clap the NHS (while we kill your Grandad).

234798 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Leemc23, 1, #1265 of 1290 🔗

Officially, Covid diagnosed between seven and 13 days after admission is a ‘possible’ hospital infection, and after 14 days a ‘definite’ infection.

And in both cases faked as a new hospital admission to scare the masses, like I’ve been banging on about for weeks, as you all know. 🙁

I know you’re fed up seeing them, but here are the links again.

https://lockdownsceptics.org/2020/10/14/latest-news-162/#comment-186272
https://lockdownsceptics.org/2020/10/15/#how-many-hospital-cases-are-really-covid

234804 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Leemc23, 2, #1266 of 1290 🔗

Sorry, another reply from me.

Yes, Lee, really angry, as you said we would be.

When The Mail on Sunday requested East Kent’s hospital-acquired infection rates, it chose to withhold the information as it would be ‘potentially misleading’ and said it would publish its own report soon.

A spokesperson said: It is unlikely Mr Lukehurst acquired Covid in hospital. His inquest concluded that Covid was not a cause of death.

In fact, the inquest into Mr Lukehurst’s death revealed he had died of acute bronchopneumonia, with Covid-19 a contributory factor.

What a bunch of lying bastards!

So, it’s a Covid death until someone questions it! This explains a few things for me.

As you all know, I’m a saddo who looks at the PHE/NHS figures very carefully each day. Every day when I check the ‘actual date of death*’ figures, I see lots of dates where the original numbers go down (by 1 here, by 2 there). I’ve long suspected these were corrections being made when families questioned the death cert, or where a post-mortem had been demanded.

I wonder if my suspicion was correct. Also another pointer to the ‘reported’ death* figure being bullshit!

*Death WITH Covid, not OF Covid, if at all.

234743 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 18, #1267 of 1290 🔗

Is that Theresa May sticking a swab up her nose in the picture in today’s blog?

Anyway, just to impart a little optimism on another fucked-up Saturday night in psy-op lala land.

Me and Mrs2-6 went to a country park today and we didn’t accidentally bump into a few other sceptics, shake hands or hug or have a few beers and good old sceptical chat.

Oh no we stayed 2 meters apart, wore blue gloves, face nappies and visors and we made sure we turned away from each other and tried to use the minimum of words during interpersonal communication in order to stay safe at all times. We passed around the hand sanitizer. Not the beers.

We had a lovely time and stayed safe too!

I must say the park was RAMMED, I have honestly not seen it so busy EVER, the little cafe there was doing a roaring trade with a big que for the snack bar and the bogs.

Many people out and about, no face nappies, it was just us who were taking the rules seriously!
Honest
😉

234756 ▶▶ annie, replying to Two-Six, 4, #1268 of 1290 🔗

I believe you. Thousands wouldn’t. 😷

234937 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Two-Six, #1269 of 1290 🔗

Haha – just the one old trout shaking her head too
Everyone else no probs.
And Mr CGL said how busy it was too – had trouble getting through everyone on his way back with provisions we had forgotten to bring.
A great afternoon!

234757 PhilipF, replying to PhilipF, 16, #1270 of 1290 🔗

Disappointing to see the Queen in a face nappy today. She must have been lent on heavily after her recent naked face appearance.

234794 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to PhilipF, 5, #1271 of 1290 🔗

Absolutely unforgivable. But then Prince Andrew probably already took away any faith one should have. I prefer the fiction of the crown to the bollocks of reality. Good night all.

234788 Arnie, replying to Arnie, 10, #1272 of 1290 🔗

If you do one thing this weekend have a look at Ivor Cummins latest video on YouTube. I took notes as I went but I’m sure you youngsters on here have better memories than me. I found the information given and the way is was presented an absolute gold mine. Happy viewing:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=_eJuj0rx-48

234790 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Arnie, 5, #1273 of 1290 🔗

YEs – Ivor Cummins latest video is as good as usual.

234828 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Arnie, 1, #1274 of 1290 🔗

I’ve sent the link to my MP, and told her to watch it before she sends another ‘we have to save lives’ reply to me.

234846 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Arnie, 1, #1275 of 1290 🔗

Thanks Arnie, well worth watching.
The first half covering the course of the first wave and not-second wave came to conclusions that were predicted as far back as the first week in June when ONS published that overall deaths in London had fallen below the five year average for that week.

Everything else flows from that one thing and it was foretold at the time.

234797 Jim Binks, replying to Jim Binks, 13, #1276 of 1290 🔗

The police turned up to my address tonight apparently I had set fireworks of in my back garden with my family. Guess what told them that yes I had let fireworks off but so what? The family had left an hour ago before. There is no lockdown unless you comply

234808 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Jim Binks, #1277 of 1290 🔗

Incredible!

234825 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Jim Binks, 1, #1278 of 1290 🔗

Surprising amount of people walking around the city high street given that only Tesco Metro, M+S and a couple of take away coffee places would be open.

Fewer masks being worn on the street so perhaps it is a subtle ‘up yours bozo’.

I suppose they could claim ‘reasonable excuse’ of taking their permitted exercise by window shopping.
No Police around for the third day running.

234818 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #1279 of 1290 🔗

In the unlikely event that anyone noticed… I’m very sorry that I’ve deleted all my earlier posts. I’ve had a very difficult week emotionally and I was a bit overwhelmed and doing things that made no sense.

234908 ▶▶ Disbelief, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #1280 of 1290 🔗

The darkest hour is just before the dawn. Hold on. We need you.

234915 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Disbelief, 1, #1281 of 1290 🔗

Thank you. I will. This is too important.

234934 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Disbelief, 1, #1282 of 1290 🔗

Here, here

234820 NorthumbrianNomad, #1283 of 1290 🔗

This

https://thecritic.co.uk/issues/november-2020/welcome-to-covidworld/

is the best thing I’ve ever read about the situation. I realize it’s a bit old and no doubt Toby talked about it before. But personally I need to make sense of what has happened (and been done) to people’s minds. I can’t just rage about it or plot fantasy revolutions in my addled brain. I need sense. To me, these guys are talking total sense. There’s then a revolting riposte to them from a Corona’s Witness in The Critic – and they have replied to that too, just as eloquently:

https://thecritic.co.uk/why-it-is-right-to-question-the-orthodox-covid-19-narrative/

234821 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 1, #1284 of 1290 🔗

Local Live
Shock and Horror rock the city as a Coronovirus Related DEATH is reported from the major regional hospital ! ! !

This follows yet Another Coronovirus Related DEATH just ONE WEEK before !

Which means Total Coronovirus Slaughter has Doubled since the last Sadlidied in June !

(That’s the scary news folks, slightly edited by yours truly.)

234826 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to karenovirus, 3, #1285 of 1290 🔗

Jeez, k; that sounds serious.

I’m hope you’re rembering to ‘stay home’ to ‘protect the nhs’ to ‘save lives’. 😉

234830 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1286 of 1290 🔗

Fortunately I was at home when I read of the devastation but put on an extra duvet and, although a lapsed soul, whispered a little prayer for the success off our glorious leader in his battles to rid us of this scourge.
😷 😷 😷 😷 😷 😷 😷 😷

234827 HawkAnalyst, replying to HawkAnalyst, 4, #1287 of 1290 🔗

Just ignore the lockdown

I see that with people
Roads are busy

Next door has people coming and going

234836 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to HawkAnalyst, 1, #1288 of 1290 🔗

About 2/3 of the cars in the residential streets around came and went during the course of Saturday.
They didn’t seem to be going shopping as the supermarkets were not at all busy.

The chap in the apartment across from me had his mum over as usual and the girl downstairs came and went with her boyfriend who does not live here so all pretty normal for a Saturday.

234841 NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #1289 of 1290 🔗

Not a churchgoer myself although oddly enough I love churches.
‘…ministers made going to church a criminal offence with a minimum £200 fine.’
As people say on the internet, just let that sink in…

235034 Sam Vimes, 1, #1290 of 1290 🔗

The government guidance for Remembrance Day will turn your stomach (ASD, T&T, no singing etc.). Don’t bother, let me summarise for you: the bastards that are stealing *all* our freedoms don’t want you to honour the people (your relatives, maybe) who fought and died for those freedoms. So get out there and do it this morning.

To the fallen, we salute you.

To those ‘in power’…you are not worth my invective; you are the lowest of the low.

In each case, but for very different reasons, “we will remember them”.

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