Last updated2020-11-08T11:57:27



234822 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 4, #1 of 1468 🔗


235098 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #2 of 1468 🔗

Well done!

235828 ▶▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Victoria, 1, #3 of 1468 🔗

Veteran assaulted by police on Remembrance Sunday

A National Disgrace 😞 Please Watch & Share – Game Over

235896 ▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #4 of 1468 🔗

Interesting. Police in masks cannot be identified! Watch how they are filming themselves. Why? To make arrests via facial recognition? What is going on?!

235217 ▶▶ Mrs S, replying to Londo Mollari, 10, #5 of 1468 🔗

If people want to actually do something useful please email the head of the Liverpool school that is proposing to have the army test pupils for coronavirus without parental consent.

The people carrying out these unethical and illegal actions have names and (email) addresses and we need to advise them.

Non medically qualified squaddies shoving stuff up the nose of kids without informed consent is assault. Law and medical ethics do not get thrown out of the window because covid.

Please send a short, polite email to the head. It might make her stop and think whether she could be liable.


235352 ▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Mrs S, 5, #6 of 1468 🔗

They cannot do this it must violate the ECHR another reason to rid ourselves of the LibLabConSNP and create a written constitution

235354 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Mrs S, 9, #7 of 1468 🔗

This is a potential minefield as it covers three different age groups.
The youngest age but largest group are 11-15 year olds
The middle group are 16/17 year olds
The oldest group are the few 18 year olds in the final year.
Starting with the smallest group, as these are adults they don’t need any involvement of their parents and can consent/decline as they wish.

The middle group are deemed to have capacity and can consent if they wish, this cannot be overruled by their parents. https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/consent-to-treatment/children/ .
It is the youngest group that causes the biggest headache. Under the mental capacity act they are deemed NOT to have capacity to consent/decline. The next step has to be undertaken on an individual basis. Each child has to be assessed as to whether they are “Gillick” competent. This involves ensuring that they understand the procedure, able to retain the information and understand the risks. If the answer to all of these questions is yes then they can consent or decline, however this could be overruled by a person with parental responsibility.
If the answer to any question is no then a person with parental responsibility MUST be asked.
The government has said a parent, carer or legal guardian would have to be present for a Covid-19 test to take place under the powers given to Public Health England in the Coronavirus Act. It adds that the act doesn’t give the authorities the power to detain a child for 14 days without their parents’ knowledge or permission and that it’s most likely that a child would be asked to self-isolate for 14 days at home with their family if they did not voluntarily comply with public health advice, but if this is not possible, other avenues would be discussed. From https://fullfact.org/online/children-coronavirus-act/

235517 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to p02099003, 7, #8 of 1468 🔗

It’s plainly obvious to anyone with a brain cell it’s immoral and against the very core of what human rights stand for.

Lawyers should place an injunction on such proposals immediately.

235528 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Mrs S, 6, #9 of 1468 🔗

Further to my earlier comment.
Consent can never be inferred as in the email, it has to be explicitly stated consent or decline. If decline then that’s the end of the story, no test can be done as that would be assault and battery.

If consent then according to the test manufacturer

“This method is to be utilised as a screening test to identify samples from patients likely to have current SARS-CoV-2 infection.”

“This product is intended for use by professional users only, such as laboratory or health professionals and technicians, trained in molecular biological techniques. Individuals should be trained to perform the procedures in this booklet and analyse results by a competent user.“

“Testing for the presence of SARS-CoV-2 RNA should be performed in an appropriately equipped facility and by trained staff.”

With regards to taking the swab, this is an in vitro sample taking like taking blood and should be undertaken by a healthcare professional (this includes trained non-registered personnel such as HCAs).
I can hear them say it’s only a nose swab and a throat swab.
My answer would be one of two questions
The throat is the top of the gastrointestinal tract would they be happy for an untrained person to probe other end of the GI tract?
The nose maybe on the face would the female staff consent for a cervical smear test taken by an untrained person?
There’s absolutely no difference.

235578 ▶▶▶ Linda b, replying to Mrs S, 6, #10 of 1468 🔗

Totally agree – what is this head thinking…. I would be very worried if my child was at a school with such a person in charge.

234823 Judy Watson, replying to Judy Watson, 1, #11 of 1468 🔗


235099 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Judy Watson, 1, #12 of 1468 🔗

..and another well done!

234824 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 119, #13 of 1468 🔗

Memo to Toby. Biden has not won. The votes are not counted and many lawsuits are being filed. 2000 – Bush v Gore – was a dispute over one county in one state and Gore did not concede until Dec 13th . This dispute involves many counties in each of a number of states.The media don’t decide the election any more than the media tells us that there’s a need for a lockdown.

234878 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Londo Mollari, -92, #14 of 1468 🔗

Give it up, it’s embarrassing.

234891 ▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Tom Blackburn, -57, #15 of 1468 🔗

Aye, I think he/she be whistling in the dark. Boring Joe got four million more votes, and counting, bain’t that be enough?

234980 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Ned of the Hills, -19, #16 of 1468 🔗

Probably being done more in desperation than hope, yes, but the total number of votes isn’t important

235337 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Julian, 12, #17 of 1468 🔗

How do you explain all those votes for Joe when it was a disaster for all the other Democrats and Pelosi is fighting for survival?

235858 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 1, #18 of 1468 🔗

Joe must have more charisma.

234942 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Tom Blackburn, 6, #19 of 1468 🔗

Yep – for Biden.

235159 ▶▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to IanE, 10, #20 of 1468 🔗


Bill Gates.The eminent Public Health expert on virus
“I look forward to working with the new administration and leaders on both sides in Congress on getting the surging pandemic under control, engaging partners around the world on issues like poverty and climate change, and addressing issues of inequality and opportunity at home.”

235174 ▶▶▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 32, #21 of 1468 🔗

Interesting contrast between the Conservative Boris Johnson and the left wing socialist president of Mexico Lopez Obrador


“With regard to the US election, we are going to wait until all the legal matters have been resolved,” López Obrador, commonly known as Amlo, said at a news conference.
“I can’t congratulate one candidate or the other. I want to wait until the electoral process is over.”

235340 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to swedenborg, 5, #22 of 1468 🔗

Joe was probaably wondering why Al Johnson wasn’t singing Mammy in blackface.

235575 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to swedenborg, 6, #23 of 1468 🔗

Funny old world when the Latin American leader is the cool headed one lol.

235518 ▶▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to swedenborg, 7, #24 of 1468 🔗

Bill Gates, would-be president of the world.

235555 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to swedenborg, 7, #25 of 1468 🔗

What a p…k!

235037 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Tom Blackburn, 19, #26 of 1468 🔗

The smugness of the offhand put-down is siding with a mask of mind control against the fact.

Gallo announced his discovery of HIV to the Media – without any published study or peer review. His fraud has not been given the publicity given his ‘discovery’ of a novel virus.

When narrative control is given priority over the fact, the lie is enforced and imposed upon the living. This is the meaning of sin – and spiritual death is the hollowing out of Life to the demands and dictates of the mask.

You have your reward.

235166 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Tom Blackburn, 8, #27 of 1468 🔗

It looks like you’ve won the embarrassing vote and no recount required.

235186 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Rowan, -5, #28 of 1468 🔗

If I wanted to be popular, I wouldn’t be a sceptic. Now I’m unpopular amongst sceptics too. How will I cope?

235394 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Tom Blackburn, 19, #29 of 1468 🔗

For a self-titled skeptic you are awfully eager to swallow anything the media tells you.

236076 ▶▶▶ BobT, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #30 of 1468 🔗

Splendid performance Tom. I was aiming for the most thumbs down today but you beat me using just five words.

234921 ▶▶ steve, replying to Londo Mollari, 25, #31 of 1468 🔗

The Democrats learned the power of the postal vote. Learned from the Labour Party.
One state alone “dug up” 13000 votes registered to dead people.
All elections are simply who can rig the votes the most and this time the Democrats figures it out.

Joe Biden on TV admiring to the vote rigging.

Don’t worry Joe is on the case.

235091 ▶▶▶ Commander Jameson, replying to steve, 9, #32 of 1468 🔗

I don’t know if there has been more skulduggery than usual but I find it bizarre that you can “correct” your vote after having mailed it in.

“Hi, is that the voter centre? Yeah, cool, look, I mailed in a vote for Trump. Yes, honest I did. Yeah, my first vote was for Trump. But I want to change it. So can you knock one vote off Trump and add 1 to Biden please? Cool, thanks!”

235405 ▶▶▶▶ steve, replying to Commander Jameson, 11, #33 of 1468 🔗

Even here they have not managed that yet.

The voting machine system in use in 30 states. All swing states started “playing up” after the manufactures “uploaded an software update”
The night before.

You have to hand it to the brass neck of the people area using it. And the idiots who actually believe people would be daft enough to to vote for a guy with dementia to lead them!


235118 ▶▶▶ Jon G, replying to steve, #34 of 1468 🔗

Which state?

235180 ▶▶▶▶ Commander Jameson, replying to Jon G, 4, #35 of 1468 🔗

I think you can do this in Michigan and Wisconsin, two states that went for Biden on a knife edge.

Could be fake news, it’s getting increasingly difficult to tell. The MSM won’t publish this kind of information at all any more, even though it is either fact or not.

235722 ▶▶▶▶ steve, replying to Jon G, 3, #36 of 1468 🔗

“Here is 1.3k names out of the long list of 14k dead people whose ballots were received. It has months of birth, you don’t need to guess it “


234923 ▶▶ Jon G, replying to Londo Mollari, -44, #37 of 1468 🔗

US Covid policy would’ve been better under the Donald, but he lost and that’s clear so for god’s sake accept it

235000 ▶▶▶ Diane Oliver, replying to Jon G, 22, #38 of 1468 🔗

It’s not clear though, not by a long way.

235093 ▶▶▶▶ Jon G, replying to Diane Oliver, -17, #39 of 1468 🔗

Like it was so clear when he won? Or when we brexited?

235404 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Jon G, 14, #40 of 1468 🔗

The Brexit vote was called AFTER counting all the votes and settling all (if any) legal challenges.
As far as i know there have not been any calls for widespread election fraud during the 2016 election, at least none aimed at Trump. The only major complaint was of supposed Russian interference, swinging the popular opinion. As far as both parties were concerned, everyone got to vote correctly in 2016. But now there are claims of widespread election fraud and there seems to be quite a lot of evidence that points to impropriety.
What are you talking about? Those two events were beyond settled. They’re still counting the votes for this election and lawsuits are dropping on Monday. Stop reading the BBC or The Guardian if you’re not capable of critical thinking.

235041 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Jon G, 11, #41 of 1468 🔗

You listen to MSM, you have the infection!

235084 ▶▶▶▶ Jon G, replying to Binra, -30, #42 of 1468 🔗

How come it’s only rigged when you lose? Was it rigged when trump won, narrowly (not even the popular vote) and against the entire political and media establishment?
Or when we brexited? Narrowly and against the entire… you get the idea.
Do they sound like corrupt systems to you?
You’re just babies screaming when things don’t go your way.

235184 ▶▶▶▶▶ nelsterm, replying to Jon G, 6, #43 of 1468 🔗

No it wasn’t rigged for Brexit as has been demonstrated several times.

235312 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to nelsterm, 4, #44 of 1468 🔗

And it wasn’t even that close.

235412 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Jon G, 19, #45 of 1468 🔗

How come there were so many “glitches” found, and all in favour of Biden? Can you point to Trump suddenly getting 150,000 votes out of nowhere in any state, with Biden getting 0? Can you point to any software “glitch” taking votes from Biden and giving them to Trump? Can you point to Biden votes being found in the trash? Can you point to any electoral center blocking Biden campaign observers? Can you point to any electoral center where Trump made a miraculous resurgence blocking their windows so no one can see what they’re doing? And finally, can you point to any rule in the election process that was changed by Trump in the past month or two?

Does this sound like a corrupt system to you? As far as i’m concerned, anyone looking at this as claiming there is no need to look into it further is anti-democracy and pro voter disenfranchisement.

235559 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Binra, 3, #46 of 1468 🔗

Mind Virus – Mark Windows.

235171 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Jon G, 2, #47 of 1468 🔗

Thank you for your verdict, we can all go home now.

235596 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Jon G, 1, #48 of 1468 🔗

He also won the second most votes in US history, which means he won’t be going out just yet. His influence will be evident. Also, the Reps performance in the Senate means they’ll be still somewhat happy with the result.

234925 ▶▶ steve, replying to Londo Mollari, 21, #49 of 1468 🔗

Back in the george bush days they rigged the vote with a new voting machine manufactured by a company with close political ties and the usual tried and tested techniques.

Huge lines From “broken” machines in areas where they know will vote for X.
The west’s voting system is just as corrupt as west Africa. Just we have a better PR team

The whole vote rigging was detailed in a book by a journalist at the time

Armed Madhouse: Undercover Dispatches from a Dying Regime


It’s not who votes that counts. It who counts the votes. – Joseph Stalin.

235187 ▶▶▶ nelsterm, replying to steve, 2, #50 of 1468 🔗

The UK system is not broken. Once the votes are received its not feasible that they are not correctly counted if the rules are followed and that can be observed by all parties. Postal vote fraud is possible but not after the vote is received.

235315 ▶▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to nelsterm, 6, #51 of 1468 🔗

Peterborough anyone

235415 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve, replying to Jaguarpig, 1, #52 of 1468 🔗

Tower hamlets

235411 ▶▶▶▶ steve, replying to nelsterm, 7, #53 of 1468 🔗

Yes but postal vote fraud is MASSIVE

Nearly always in labour controlled areas. As an ex landlord you want to see how many ballot papers arrived at the apartment block we owned.
Multiple papers with many “misspellings” of a common religious prophets name.

We would send the back to the council “not known at this address”

Back they came the next week…..

235421 ▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to nelsterm, 4, #54 of 1468 🔗

As we’ve seen in the US election, voter fraud is still possible after the vote is received. Either the vote is not counted properly, or safety features are ignored (signatures, etc), or votes arrive past closing time and they are backdated to make it seem like they arrived in time. All of these things have been uncovered during this election.

235433 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to alw, #56 of 1468 🔗

That is quite the thread…

235029 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Londo Mollari, 28, #57 of 1468 🔗

I agree Londo. If you don’t have a legal process for peacefully resolving disputes over the count, then you are living in a banana republic. The USA has credible processes, so let them play out.

If you can get past the online censorship you will find many concerning examples. One where after a computer “glitch” was supposedly discovered, thousands of votes were returned to Trump from Biden – but how many other “glitches” might’ve happened and not been corrected?

There are many other examples: dead voters, an on air moment when votes suddenly switched from Trump to Biden (significant as that was a live feed from the count computer and you saw Trump’s cumulative vote actually go down!), counting taking place away from the formal count area, count observers being denied access and the ability to observe the count, unprecedented failure of Biden voters to vote Democrats down the line (suggesting computer manipulation of the Presidential count), suspicious suspension of the count in swing states once it became clear how well Trump was doing and suspicious overnights appeatance of Biden votes overnight while the count was a supppsed to be suspended.

The US is not the UK. There has always been a history and culture of electoral malpractice, especially on the Democrat side.

235065 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to OKUK, 3, #58 of 1468 🔗

A. You are the Good Guys.
B. The lie undermines the Bad Guys.
C. The lie replaces truth.

This is how lies corrupt the minds of those who MASK in virtue while protecting the mask of narrative identity against disclosure.

Truth is not affected by lies, but our capacity to recognise and align in truth – and therefore function, is.

The replacement of life with lies is delivering us to insanity, because we cannot and will not look within.Or allow anything of self-honesty to undermine our defence against the Bad Guys – who always were the necessary evil against which to set a mind apart, distanced, locked down and masked over.

235661 ▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Binra, #59 of 1468 🔗

Have you read Bion, Binra? Your posts remind me of his work.
Your posts are a highlight of this site for me.

235125 ▶▶▶ Jon G, replying to OKUK, -16, #60 of 1468 🔗

What happened when Trump won then? They just ‘forgot’ to rig it? Or maybe they just didn’t rig it quite enough.
Help us out with the online censorship – cite some credible references for your claims.

235454 ▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Jon G, 14, #61 of 1468 🔗

Likeliest scenario is that they weren’t expecting quite so many people to vote for Trump, and they didn’t have everything in place to beat him. Also, at the time, a Trump win wasn’t seen as quite so dangerous. Everyone was expecting Trump to just be a meme and do an extremely poor job. But it turns out that, despite still being a meme, Trump actually did a lot of good. And what’s worse for the democrats, he showed that reducing taxation and reducing the size of government does lead to an increase in quality of life.

As such, this election was all or nothing for the democrats. If Trump wins again (especially if it was by a large margin) then he would continue to reduce taxation, bring jobs back to the US, reduce illegal immigration, and increase the quality of life. If all that were to happen, and there’s a good possibility of that, then the democratic party would be finished. It would be undeniable. They wouldn’t be able to blame Trump’s economy on Obama. They wouldn’t be able to say that people would be better off voting for them when the people already are much better off than under Obama. What’s more, Trump is starting to make gains in the culture war, and would erode away the social media and the mainstream corporate media base that runs propaganda campaigns for the democrats.

It doesn’t matter if you think this would have happened or not, or if it will happen or not. What matters is that it is within the realm of possibility, and the democrats could not afford to let it play out. This is why the voter fraud this year was so much more blatant and obvious: they couldn’t afford to be delicate about it.

235039 ▶▶ Binra, replying to Londo Mollari, 5, #62 of 1468 🔗

Excepting that in effect the Media are being used to dictate narratives to which others then comply in – including captured ‘opposition’ that sets up a self-censored kettle for protest to make noise in.

235130 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #63 of 1468 🔗

Check out Steve Bannon’s latest site summarising all the issues with the result


235762 ▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, #64 of 1468 🔗

The math article is intriguing.

235783 ▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Jay Berger, 2, #65 of 1468 🔗

Election Summary Report for Gwinnet County, Georgia

Total Population: 936,250

Total Adult Population: 687,207

Total Registered Voters: 581,467

Total Ballots Cast?


235253 ▶▶ peter, replying to Londo Mollari, -3, #66 of 1468 🔗

Toby is a shill for not exposing this election fraud. His handlers are writing Boris’s script too.

236294 ▶▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to peter, 1, #67 of 1468 🔗

He sits on the fence in fear of being labelled a conspiracy theorist. It might make sense because if you go too extreme your entire message can be discredited.

236291 ▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #68 of 1468 🔗

Biden is so charismatic that he got more votes than Barrack Obama? Hmmm.

234829 HawkAnalyst, replying to HawkAnalyst, 76, #69 of 1468 🔗

Just ignore the lockdown

I see that with people
Roads are busy

Next door has people coming and going

234919 ▶▶ John Smith, replying to HawkAnalyst, -31, #70 of 1468 🔗

Been keeping an eye on the next door neighbour have we?

235131 ▶▶▶ HawkAnalyst, replying to John Smith, 29, #71 of 1468 🔗


No I am not spying on them. From my front window I can see people coming and going.
Two days ago they had a big and I mean big firework display (the ones you have at a display!)

  • Grandkids
  • Great grandkids

I mentioned to him 4-6 months that I have noticed people are coming and going AND I am NOT going to say anything to anyone.
He told me that he had been to peoples houses sometimes upto 15 in May!
He tells everyone and does not care.
Good on him

234953 ▶▶ alw, replying to HawkAnalyst, 40, #72 of 1468 🔗

Had various deliveries yesterday. All said they are more than p1ssed off with things. Some working in spaces with 300 others. All said they are having big family Christmas parties. If proof were needed that no one is listening to Govt, scientists and others.

235076 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to HawkAnalyst, 13, #73 of 1468 🔗

I fully intend to and support anyone who does in any way.

234831 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 45, #74 of 1468 🔗

Is Biden’s Win Bad News For Sceptics?

Biden hasn’t won yet. There are investigations ongoing and the Trump campaign is going to file lawsuits on Monday.

234833 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 21, #75 of 1468 🔗

Agreed! This is going to go on for a while.

235070 ▶▶ Binra, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 7, #76 of 1468 🔗

But Toby has to cover his arse.
Media delivered mind vaccines are safe and effective.

235561 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 6, #77 of 1468 🔗

Good, make my day. 80 million votes for Biden? I don’t think so.

236306 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to richard riewer, 1, #78 of 1468 🔗

Trump took a dig at Biden by calling himself the president with the highest number of LEGAL votes in history.

234832 BobT, replying to BobT, -73, #79 of 1468 🔗

Is Biden’s Win Bad News For Sceptics?
I suspect not and this is why I think so.

During the last few years we have all been governed by populists whose only interest was to be popular in the media and especially the social media.

This is why Boris followed ‘the science’ because he is not smart enough to be able to challenge ‘the science” or the social media or anything else.

Donald followed the views of his mates at the golf club because he is too dim to look at the real facts and challenge ‘the science ‘ or anything else.

Joe Biden is another populist. He is kind of soft and squishy and popular but he again does not have the nous to think through issues and make decisions which are not popular, but immediately behind him is his VP Kamala.

Kamala Harris has an incisive, questioning mind and she is strong enough to question the political status quo, analyse the real situation, challenge the academics and make the right decisions which we clearly need.

She can think her way out of this pandemic nonsense and may also end up as President.

If so, I think she will make a good one.

234834 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to BobT, 75, #80 of 1468 🔗
  1. Biden hasn’t won.
  2. Biden is all for lockdowns.
  3. Trump wants to open up the economy.
  4. Harris is a authoritarian lunatic that likes to throw people in prison over nothing.
  5. Harris is also for lockdowns.

Not sure how you think the pro-lockdown lunatic squad winning and the anti-lockdown skeptic losing would be a good thing for the anti-lockdown skeptics…

234838 ▶▶▶ BobT, replying to Cristi.Neagu, -55, #81 of 1468 🔗
  1. Biden has won by about 4 million of the popular vote and also the arcane US voting system.
  2. Maybe but has he said so?
  3. He has’t and he has fucked it royally.
  4. Trump is worse.
  5. Read my post.
234845 ▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to BobT, 58, #82 of 1468 🔗
  1. The US election has an electoral college. The popular vote doesn’t matter. What’s more, there are multiple electoral fraud investigations happening. All in all, Biden has not won.
  2. Yes. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/21/joe-biden-lockdown-us-coronavirus-400126 https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/i-would-shut-it-down-bidens-commitment-to-national-lockdown-has-as-little-legal-support-as-his-mask-mandate
  3. Compared to whom? To “closing the borders is xenophobic and racist” Biden?
  4. Name one authoritarian thing Trump ever did or said.
  5. I did. Harris is for lockdowns. She is a lunatic. It is obvious from the stupid way she laughs at everything. Not even democrats like her, considering no one voted for her during the primaries. You are obviously speaking about some other Kamala Harris.
234847 ▶▶▶▶▶ BobT, replying to Cristi.Neagu, -22, #83 of 1468 🔗

OK. Lets agree to disagree and wait until we see who moves into the white house in January.

235154 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ common conservative, replying to BobT, 11, #84 of 1468 🔗

‘Lets agree to disagree…’

Translation: ‘I just had my arse handed to me on a plate.’

234854 ▶▶▶▶ Dale, replying to BobT, 14, #85 of 1468 🔗

The presidency has never been decided by the popular vote.

234855 ▶▶▶▶▶ BobT, replying to Dale, -32, #86 of 1468 🔗

I understand that. But is it right that millions of people are disenfranchised when they are in the majority?

234858 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to BobT, 42, #87 of 1468 🔗

Yes. It is a fairer election system than the majority, because in a purely democratic system the majority can vote to oppress the minority. The electoral college tries to level the playing field between the states with large cities and the states with lots of farmland, because otherwise the farmers would never have a say at all.

But is it right to disenfranchise the entire country by meddling in the elections? By inventing hundreds of thousands of votes, all in favour on one candidate? By ignoring accusations of electoral fraud? Shouldn’t all these irregularities be investigated before declaring a winner? Isn’t ensuring the ideal of “one man one vote” by the highest priority?

236297 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #88 of 1468 🔗

Yay same for Brexit. Electoral college based on distance from Dover?

234859 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to BobT, 9, #89 of 1468 🔗

I am disenfranchised because my labour MP is so popular he would retain his seat if he stood for the Monster Raving Loony Party (second thoughts I might actually vote for him then).

235569 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to karenovirus, #90 of 1468 🔗

I vote for The Blob. It will clean up the Westminster swamp.

234864 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dale, replying to BobT, 12, #91 of 1468 🔗

Bob, abolish the Electoral College and Los Angeles County could control elections. How fair would that be to much of the rest of the country ? Personally, I’m okay with an amicable breakup. Been advocating for it for a decadel

235573 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Dale, 1, #92 of 1468 🔗

New York, California, New Jersey. Take away their Biden votes and you have a Trump landslide.

234927 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve, replying to BobT, 8, #93 of 1468 🔗

Bob, their system is not different to ours. Every election here the government is formed by the people which the lowest “popular vote”

The vast majority of people in this country did not vote for the government. They voted for other parties or didn’t vote at all because they think that it really doesn’t matter who you vote for. The same shower of self serving, disingenuous sh!t€s will get in.

235081 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to steve, 5, #94 of 1468 🔗

Yes whoever you vote for the government always gets in!

235077 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to BobT, #95 of 1468 🔗

Well that’s often true.
The system and rules determine the way the votes are weighted.
The ability to rig the system, by changing rules or breaking them, is the ability to achieve a selection regardless the election.

235133 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to BobT, 6, #96 of 1468 🔗

It was created by the Founding Fathers for a reason. They were mostly legal men who understand mob rule and human nature. The process of confirming a president is also the same irrespective of landslides or close calls. It gets approved by electors in December.

Again, made for a reason.

America is an idea above all. The Constitution is what people swear to, not to party or figurehead.

234958 ▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to BobT, #97 of 1468 🔗

You could have saved time and written number 4 as the totality of your first post, as that is what you meant anyway.

235295 ▶▶▶▶ Drummerman, replying to BobT, 1, #98 of 1468 🔗

The popular vote is irrelevant. And I won’t be reading your post because you clearly know f’all about US politics.Educate yourself before shooting off your mouth.

234987 ▶▶▶ Thomasina, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 1, #99 of 1468 🔗

And of course they want mandatory vaccinations.

234860 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to BobT, 2, #100 of 1468 🔗

The elected puppets of the West will do as they’re told and nothing will change for the good of all.
And yes maybe Kamala Harris will save us all. The way you describe her makes me forget she dropped out of the Dem nominee race pretty early.

234868 ▶▶▶ Dale, replying to Eddie, 9, #101 of 1468 🔗

Tulsi Gabbard spanked her bare bottom in earlier debates.

235162 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Eddie, 5, #102 of 1468 🔗

Yep – she dropped out with support in the low single digits, had trouble even competing in her own State, and claimed ‘racism’ and ‘sexism’ were at fault – this was in Democrat primaries, not a national election. Therefore all of those “racist sexist” voters would be Democrats, would they not?! 🙂

234866 ▶▶ JoeBlogg, replying to BobT, 28, #103 of 1468 🔗

What planet are you living on? You hit the nail on the head in your own statement
“He is kind of soft and squishy” in other words easily manipulated by the ‘Global Elite’.

‘Should’ Joe Biden win, it will be the end of western democracy as we know it.

234869 ▶▶ Emily Tock, replying to BobT, 30, #104 of 1468 🔗

Harris refused to prosecute Mnuchin’s 2008 mortgage crimes as California AG; she also prosecuted poor Black parents for truancy. Even better, she refused a CA Supreme Court order to ease prison crowding because of the slave labour that CA got out of its inmates. Let’s see, what else, oh YES, she pandered to the RC Church by not prosecuting a paedophile priest. She is the epitome of the status quo that vomited up Trump, and lionizing her is a rinse, repeat act of the disaster that the Third Way, corporatist Democratic party produced.

235170 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Emily Tock, 6, #105 of 1468 🔗

Just to throw a couple more on the pile re: Harris; she voted against allowing surgery for trans inmates; she fought against legislation which wanted in-depth investigations into Police shootings – this inc. African-American & Hispanic victims.

Oh and there was the Kern County case: Harris was verbally admonished for “gross misconduct” after she put a falsified confession into evidence, for a defendant who was on charges of attacking a child. Harris was destroyed in court & again in an Appeals court, she said the whole thing was intended as a bit of a joke. The defendant, obviously, immediately went free – where he promptly viciously attacked a minor child.

235584 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 1, #106 of 1468 🔗

Here’s a bombshell. Four families have been running the State of California for the past eighty years:

235577 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Emily Tock, 2, #107 of 1468 🔗

A despicable, phony, dangerous politician.

234877 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to BobT, -33, #108 of 1468 🔗

I’m as disappointed as the next sceptic but Biden HAS won. Simon Dolan is embarrassing himself by failing to accept this As are many posters on this site.

234895 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Tom Blackburn, 58, #109 of 1468 🔗

This is weird. I’m not going to get worked up about it, but as a true sceptic, it seems to me obvious that the combined forces of establishment and media have decided to pronounce Biden the winner regardless of the democratic process. You may be right that this is sufficient to railroad Biden into office, but I don’t think it’s unreasonable to raise our eyebrows slightly at this. If they do it once, they can presumably do it again.

234933 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Barney McGrew, -27, #110 of 1468 🔗

I’m getting crybaby remoaner vibes

234951 ▶▶▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Tom Blackburn, 10, #111 of 1468 🔗

Good for you. I hope you enjoy them!

235273 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #112 of 1468 🔗

The media trumps the electoral and legal systems ? Go for it, Tom.

234930 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Tom Blackburn, 16, #113 of 1468 🔗

Not a single state has certified a single vote, but you say that Biden has won.

235300 ▶▶▶ Drummerman, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #114 of 1468 🔗

Just because the Democratic Party’s propaganda arm, i.e. the MSM, have ‘called it’ for Sleepy Joe doesn’t mean that he’s won. Fraud has been committed on a giant scale and you can bet Trump won’t let that go.

235474 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #115 of 1468 🔗

How can you make that claim with recounts going on in all swing states, evidence of mass electoral fraud coming out, and lawsuits dropping on Monday? Have you looked at this beyond reading BBC, CNN, Guardian, etc headlines?

234985 ▶▶ Julian, replying to BobT, 24, #116 of 1468 🔗

Biden is fully and openly bought into the coronapanic:

“First, I’ll go to every governor and urge them to mandate mask-wearing in their states,” he said on Oct. 23. “And if they refuse, I’ll go to the mayors and county executives and get local masking requirements in place nationwide.”


Joe Biden plans Monday to name a 12-member task force to combat and contain the spread of the coronavirus, sources tell Axios.”


Another nutcase who thinks the virus can be defeated.

Trump by contrast said people should not worry about it unduly and compared it to flu.

234986 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Julian, 9, #117 of 1468 🔗

Yes. Utterly depressing. Build back better, my ar$E

235367 ▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Julian, 2, #118 of 1468 🔗

Biden and Harris will become unpopular and eventually will be kicked out of office both are owned by big tech and Bankers

235116 ▶▶ ChrisDinBristol, replying to BobT, 3, #119 of 1468 🔗

Nope, she’s even scarier than creepy Joe. . . Agenda 2030 here we come.

235121 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to BobT, 13, #120 of 1468 🔗

Kamala is one HORRIBLE woman. Despicable. Laughing about how she has locked up more young people for being in possession of cannabis than any other state governor after admitting that she has smoked it herself.

235138 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to BobT, 3, #121 of 1468 🔗

Joe Biden is another populist.

Kamala Harris has an incisive, questioning mind

Interesting …

235564 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to BobT, 4, #122 of 1468 🔗

She’s Woke, Politically Correct and got only one per cent of the votes during the Democrat primaries. A Nobody. A Mole. The perfect puppet. Like Boris.

234835 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 57, #123 of 1468 🔗

When Trump eventually prevails, a lot more people are going to wake up to the fact that “reality” is manufactured by the lying mass media. This is what will be good for sceptics. Good night all.

234867 ▶▶ JoeBlogg, replying to Londo Mollari, 13, #124 of 1468 🔗

Let’s hope so, the more people exposed to the ever growing corrupt socialist system the better

234874 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Londo Mollari, -11, #125 of 1468 🔗

Wishful thinking.

234931 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Tom Blackburn, 6, #126 of 1468 🔗


234952 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Londo Mollari, 15, #127 of 1468 🔗

I hope you’re right, Londo. That Biden cheated is pretty obvious. That Trump is right to fight is equally clear: the old rules of ‘losers’ consent’ no longer apply, after the behaviour of the Democrats over the last four years. But is the media pile on, added to the power of Silicon Valley, and allied with much of the Republican Party, sufficient to crush Trump anyway?

I don’t know. But if I had shares in big tech, I might be seeing now as a good moment to balance away slightly. If Trump does come out of this, social media and Google will have reason to be fearful.

234963 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Londo Mollari, 23, #128 of 1468 🔗

I’m dubious: there are just too many lefties in influential positions. BUT, heavens, if Trump were to prevail, the tears at the BBC would be champagne for the nation!

234990 ▶▶ Will, replying to Londo Mollari, 9, #129 of 1468 🔗

For all Trump was right about Hydroxychloroquine and has achieved more in four years, diplomatically, than Obama, loving the sound of his own voice, managed in eight, Trump did advocate injecting people with bleach.

This is a British based Lockdown Sceptics forum, can we please not give the zealots cheap and easy to use ammunition by banging on about something, the Presidential election, which is largely irrelevant. Instead please can we focus on ONS surveys and falling rates of hospitalisations that strongly suggest we have been right all along and the UK has achieved effective herd immunity.

235042 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Will, 4, #130 of 1468 🔗

The post above the line discusses the presidential election. In that context, it is odd to question its relevance below the line.

235583 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Ovis, #131 of 1468 🔗

That it is mentioned above the line is why I have posted below the line that I think it is irrelevant and a distraction. Toby is entitled to post what he wants on his forum but I am also entitled to question the extent to which it helps the LS cause.

235129 ▶▶▶ common conservative, replying to Will, 9, #132 of 1468 🔗

‘This is a British based Lockdown Sceptics forum, can we please not give the zealots cheap and easy to use ammunition by banging on about something, the Presidential election, which is largely irrelevant.’

This is schizophrenic. The post in question is ‘banging on about’ the Presidential election! If the post hadn’t falsely asserted that Biden has ‘won’ the election, and instead offered a hypothetical, then people wouldn’t feel the need to ‘bang on about’ the election.

235238 ▶▶▶ common conservative, replying to Will, 7, #133 of 1468 🔗

‘…Trump did advocate injecting people with bleach.’

No, he did not advocate it at all, rather he *mooted the idea* to a medical advisor:


It would behove you to represent others accurately and fairly.

235378 ▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Will, 2, #134 of 1468 🔗

We have our own problems let America tear itself apart We have idiot Johnson to deal with

235488 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Will, 12, #135 of 1468 🔗

Trump did advocate injecting people with bleach.

Trump never did such a thing. Go look at the video of what he actually said, then come back here and apologise for being so naive and impressionable.

Trump’s presidency is important because he is one of the few anti-establishment leaders of the Western world. Another prominent name is Viktor Orban, but the EU press has managed to shut him up. I haven’t heard anything about him in quite a long time. But they can’t shut down Trump. So he is the last leader we have that goes against the mainstream narrative. If he goes, the globalist narrative will reign supreme and you will never see another anti-globalist, pro-freedom leader again.

235598 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Will, 4, #136 of 1468 🔗

The U.S.A. Presidential election was not irrelevant. Who do you think Boris was rooting for? Merkel, Macron, Sturgeon, that bastard in China? They were rooting for Biden-Harris.

235025 ▶▶ Christopher, replying to Londo Mollari, 19, #137 of 1468 🔗

Remember this is the same lying whore media that spent four years spreading the conspiracy theory that Trump was put into power by Russia and is Putin’s stooge with not a shred of evidence and yet not once were CNN , BBC and the rest censored by social media the for spreading false and dangerous conspiracy theories .

234837 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 34, #138 of 1468 🔗

Well, many people have called it. “Let’s save Christmas” translates to “there will be no Christmas”. These people belong in prison.

234849 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 20, #139 of 1468 🔗

Do they know it’s lockdown 2 at all..

(blahh bla blah bla,. blahh blah blah blah blaaaah, bla bla bla bla baaaarg)

Brainwash the worl-oorld
Make them forget christmas time….

Might sleep now…

234851 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 13, #140 of 1468 🔗

I just realised what my comment actually reads like. Should have been clearer. By “these people belong in prison” i meant the government.

234872 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 10, #141 of 1468 🔗

Bar the pubs being shut, the restrictions don’t really affect me so those calling for tighter kerbs can carry on cutting their noses off to spite their faces. Once you are able to separate law from guidance, you can do whatever you want.

234875 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Tom Blackburn, 21, #142 of 1468 🔗

Tighter curbs, not kerbs.
Kerbs come alongside pavements.

234888 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to annie, 2, #143 of 1468 🔗

I wish I had a proof reader like you for my writing! Would save me a lot of unnoticed mistakes I reckon. I’m not sure you can proof read your own work.

234967 ▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to TJN, 2, #144 of 1468 🔗

You can if you leave it a couple of days and then come back to it.

234991 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to jb12, 4, #145 of 1468 🔗

Yes, that helps – although for me isn’t infallible.

One of my methods for ensuring reasonably decent prose is to have a few stiff drinks and then speed read sections at random, to get the feeling of what it is like. Haven’t seen that recommended in any text books though.

235072 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to TJN, 2, #146 of 1468 🔗

No, with the amount I write, I think I would have developed a pretty bad alcohol addiction by now!

234839 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 23, #147 of 1468 🔗

Got to give credit to Leemc23 for posting this late last night before we changed to a new page. Make sure you read it as it’s starting to disappear down the Mail’s page under all the Biden crap.


Go Private – Shut the NHS – Save Lives !

234861 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ceriain, 10, #148 of 1468 🔗

Nice report from the Mail but hospital staff were telling me that at the time.

I recently asked here whether it was too cynical to suggest that the reason my main regional hospital has suddenly reverted to pre-covid normal busy is to get as many immune suppressed non-covid people in the place to give them a nice high viral load and thus bump up the covid deaths and so try to justify johnsons’ criminally insane lockdown 2.

235090 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to karenovirus, 4, #149 of 1468 🔗

Well that sounds all too probable. Undermine people’s health in every possible way, and then give them a large viral load.
Please inform Toby.

235094 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Ceriain, 11, #150 of 1468 🔗

We should replace the NHS with a Swiss style medical system. It is based on affordable insurance premiums, but the Government pay the premiums for the less well-off. Service and treatment are exceptional, on-time, based on prevention instead of disease management.

Currently with the NHS it is like throwing bundles of cash into a deep dark hole, it is badly run with lots of excess staff and poor outcomes – just ask the people who lost family members due to bad care.

235373 ▶▶▶ Sylvie, replying to Victoria, 1, #151 of 1468 🔗

You repeatedly advocate this. But the Swiss system ministers to only 10M citizens, some of whom are the wealthiest people on earth and for whom Switzerland is only one of their many homes.

234840 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 55, #152 of 1468 🔗
  1. The noise from the nearby motorway has been much louder than it was during LOCKDOWN 1.0
  2. The town I live in was the busiest I have seen it for about 8 months (small tory commuter town about 40 miles north of London)
  3. The children’s playing park was open and very busy compared to old-school, un-normal, un-logical times
  4. The people without masks looked much happier than the ones wearing them
  5. The local Costa was open, with masked people queuing outside
  6. I went in Tesco, with little Ms Beefheart unmasked. I got pushback from only one prole – he walked right up to me (within 2 meters) and said “OY! WHY WARE YOU NOT WEARING A MASK?!” (with my child next to me in the pram and everything… No respect some people, he might kill my mother if he carries on like that). I reacted calmly and just said “I’m exempt” – I am. I am caring for someone who is exempt. Surely he didn’t want me to muzzle up my 9ish month old child?!
  7. Sorry d was so long… Anyway, he walked off in a huff…

This shit is never going to work, go for the “Sweden” or “Japan’ model…

234843 ▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to captainbeefheart, 30, #153 of 1468 🔗

I have said right from the start that Sweden got it right. Good to see that Tanzania followed suit.

234848 ▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Judy Watson, 22, #154 of 1468 🔗

No, sort of shut down bits of the entire world economy is the way forward. No hidden motives going on here, nothing to see here people, move along…


It was fun telling that prat to do one though 🙂

235097 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to captainbeefheart, 9, #155 of 1468 🔗

Everyone needs to tell the prats to do one…I take great pleasure in it. Fortunately I am big enough to deal with any possible come back……unless they are terminator!

234862 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to captainbeefheart, 35, #156 of 1468 🔗

On Saturday about 2/3 cars in the surrounding residential streets were away for part of the day, dunno what the occupants were doing because the supermarkets were not busy.

There were again a lot of people in the pedestrianised city high street despite only Tesco Metro, M+S and a couple of take-away coffee bars being open.

A large majority were maskless so probably doubters using window shopping for exercise as their ‘reasonable excuse’ for not being at home. They will all know that they are being spied on by CCTV so possibly an

‘up yours boris’ display of disapproval.

Police still notably absent for the third day.

The chap in the apartment opposite mine had his mum over as usual and the girl downstairs was coming and going with her boyfriend who does not live here so all fairly normal for a Saturday.

234842 Judy Watson, replying to Judy Watson, 57, #157 of 1468 🔗

I have just read the posts.
It is deplorable that Rememberance Sunday has been cancelled – is this what all the servicemen and women died for?

Also overweight NHS staff being laid off on full pay!!!! What is that all about?

Good on all the people who are ignoring the ‘lockdown’ restrictions.. If i was in the UK I would be one of them also.

234853 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Judy Watson, 42, #158 of 1468 🔗

“I will never forgive the clowns who cancelled Remembrance Sunday”
Peter Hitchins, Mail on Sunday.

I have never visited my medieval Parish Church but it has a War Memorial and I will be there at 11am this morning.

234884 ▶▶▶ court, replying to karenovirus, 23, #159 of 1468 🔗

Yep, screw the churches in my town, I’m off with my 4yo to the war memorial this morning.

234924 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to karenovirus, 11, #160 of 1468 🔗

us too

234896 ▶▶ Sophie123, replying to Judy Watson, 19, #161 of 1468 🔗

Off on full pay to sit at home eating biscuits! Whatever happened to personal responsibility?

235080 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Sophie123, 3, #162 of 1468 🔗

They are not vulnerable. They must get back to work

234994 ▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to Judy Watson, 20, #163 of 1468 🔗

A significant number of NHS staff are obese, particularly nurses. My mother was horrified, last time she was in hospital, that they munch constantly on the wards. Apparently they no longer have breaks or a canteen serving proper food, so they constantly munch on biscuits.

235101 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Caroline Watson, 6, #164 of 1468 🔗

Also off to the local war memorial. Suggested to my street’s WhatsApp group, and nothing. All cowering inside.

235105 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Caroline Watson, 8, #165 of 1468 🔗

I still remember as a small child a 2 week spell in hospital after the NHS botched my tonsils removal. In my memory image the nurses were all slim (and very smart too). Funnily enough all my primary school teachers were slim too and I have the evidence for that on my old school photos!

235613 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Borisbullshit, 3, #166 of 1468 🔗

My tonsil removal was botched as well. Was coughing up blood. My uncle drove me to the hospital in a RHD 1948 MGTC. Classy ambulance! Ate lots of ice cream.

235501 ▶▶▶ sam, replying to Caroline Watson, 4, #167 of 1468 🔗

yes same in the u .s. no one mentions that for a good immune system you need to be healthy[ not obese] eat real food not junk food to exercise and to get out in the sunshine and fresh air .almost everyone was obese[i mean the general public too not just nurses]

234844 Eddie, 31, #168 of 1468 🔗

Feeling a bit down tonight as they’ve banned me from playing basketball for two weeks minimum but at least the gym doesn’t close. Compared to the closing you face in the UK I really am lucky still.
Anyway, just had some gut busting laughter watching the Hitler as Boris clip…absolutely gold it was! “They’re so scared they wear masks alone in their cars…”
Best to you all this Sunday and remember those who died for us all

234850 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 82, #169 of 1468 🔗

Lovely lady told me yesterday that what moved her to tears was the sight of a young boy waving a placard at a TV camera

“What did we do wrong ?
My dad’s a wedding photographer
He’s got no work we’ve got no money”

I asked ‘what channel, surely not the BBC?’
“No, it was Al Jazeera”
‘So this was in the Middle East?’

“No, here in England and let me tell you I’m from Zimbabwe (black lady) and used to worship the BBC but now it is just full of lies, bullshit and propaganda. . .”

A splendid Sceptic on Sceptic conversation ensued.

234879 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to karenovirus, 11, #170 of 1468 🔗

I’ve always had a lot of time for Al Jazeera ( Europe)

234856 karenovirus, 21, #171 of 1468 🔗

Very late yesterday Arnie posted the link to Ivor Cummings’ latest YouTube.
Todays page was already up before I posted my reply.

Thanks Arnie, well worth watching.
The first part covering the course of the first wave and not-second wave was predicted as far back as the first week in June when ONS showed that in that week there were fewer (all) deaths in London than in the five year average.

Everything else has flowed from that on the basis that you ‘cannot die of covid in March and then die again of what was going to kill you in the first week of June’.

It was also predicted that total annual mortality would be much the same as usual but that did not take into consideration the NHS more or less ceasing to function and resultant excess deaths from strokes, cancer and lockdown induced suicides as also explored in Ivors excellent latest vid.

234857 Eddie, 47, #172 of 1468 🔗

Thought I’d mention my deflating visit with friends earlier today. Met them at a store for some shopping and both were masked including child. I love these friends dearly but I found it a struggle to truly enjoy the visit. I felt so disconnected in our conversations.
We had a meal and they came by my place with faces and smiles so that was nice in the end. But darn I am starting to dislike being in public. I’m the walking merchant of death to some people and it’s just because there’s no piece of cloth covering my facial orifices.

234863 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 8, #173 of 1468 🔗

Loved the Reggie Perrin reference in the Boris Downfall video linked above: “Plague City, Arizona”. 🙂

234870 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ceriain, 8, #174 of 1468 🔗

😀 🤣 ❤ Downfall 😅

I noticed the little dig at Brexit toward the end but johnson was always sly about that, only choosing Leave as the surest way of becoming PM.

234865 JoeBlogg, replying to JoeBlogg, 5, #175 of 1468 🔗

World leaders react to Biden’s victory over Trump: ‘Welcome back America’

Some fellow co-conspirators (bunch of wankers)


234918 ▶▶ John Smith, replying to JoeBlogg, 9, #176 of 1468 🔗

He has won nothing yet.

234976 ▶▶▶ JoeBlogg, replying to John Smith, 2, #177 of 1468 🔗

Fully agreed but look at the band wagon of ‘usual suspects’ already cheering him on.

234871 Laurence, replying to Laurence, -19, #178 of 1468 🔗


Does anyone want to remember the sacrifices our soldiers have made, now in 2020.

Has it all been in vain. There’s nothing to celebrate this year.

Hopefully next year !

234873 ▶▶ annie, replying to Laurence, 36, #179 of 1468 🔗

As regards the bulk of the population, it may well seem as if the sacrifices were in vain. Dying to save zombies who want nothing except living death? They aren’t worth it.

But there’s us. Let us continue to conduct ourselves in a way that DOES justify that sacrifice.

234880 ▶▶▶ Laurence, replying to annie, 8, #180 of 1468 🔗

I can see your point, and to some extent agree. But it’s so difficult to celebrate a victory for freedom in the current situation.

234883 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Laurence, 20, #181 of 1468 🔗

Not celebrating. Affirming.

235618 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to annie, 1, #182 of 1468 🔗

Protecting. Resurrecting.

234894 ▶▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Laurence, 19, #183 of 1468 🔗

They died to free us of tyranny, don’t let that sacrifice be in vain.

234960 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Laurence, 11, #184 of 1468 🔗

Remembrance Day is not a celebration (in the usual use of that word) it is an Honouring by Remembering.

234876 ▶▶ Sara, replying to Laurence, 11, #185 of 1468 🔗

My grandfather fought for freedom, in North Africa and Italy. He lived to tell the tale, but I will think of the hardships he went through, I will think of those who did lose their lives or suffer long-term consequences in their fight to overcome tyranny. I will also pray for freedom today, and, I hope, that I will be praying those prayers at the same time and with the same fervency as many, many other people.

234971 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Sara, 7, #186 of 1468 🔗

My dad was in the Navy alongside your grandfather in the media and also the Murmansk and Atlantic convoys.

bozo will not stop me remembering his fellow Servicemen and women who did not survive.

234992 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 3, #187 of 1468 🔗

In the MED.

234887 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Laurence, 29, #188 of 1468 🔗

It’s not about ‘celebration’, it’s about remembrance. A time of quiet reflection for those who gave their lives for the rest of us to live in some semblance of peace.

There isn’t a day in my life when I don’t think of my late grandfather. But my thoughts are particularly poignant on Remembrance Sunday. That this idiot government has cancelled it, is a huge insult to those who want to participate.

234890 ▶▶▶ Laurence, replying to kh1485, 13, #189 of 1468 🔗

That is a fair point well made.

Also, the behaviour of the government this year is a huge insult to our memories of people who died defending us.

234900 ▶▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to Laurence, 7, #190 of 1468 🔗


234897 ▶▶▶ Laurence, replying to kh1485, 17, #191 of 1468 🔗

i take all your points and accept that this day still has a very strong message. I can see that the point was not a fair one and that we must remember despite the current situation.

234928 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Laurence, 6, #192 of 1468 🔗

(I wouldn’t argue with Annie either- although that is mainly because shes always right 🙂 )

236223 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to CGL, #193 of 1468 🔗

I only claim Annial Infallibility when speaking Ex iPad. Can be wrong at other times. (Ask Stephanos about Beginners’ Greek).

234898 ▶▶ Sophie123, replying to Laurence, 22, #194 of 1468 🔗

Er yes. My husband is military. He has friends who have died for our country. You may not agree with some of the conflicts he has fought in (I don’t and neither does he) but he doesn’t get a choice to pick & choose.

We will be going to our war memorial.

235087 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #196 of 1468 🔗

Atlas gone for sure

235635 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #197 of 1468 🔗

He is not President yet, so why is he announcing a task force? Jumping the gun Joe. Did he win back his Senate seat? Has he congragulated President Bush yet on a well fought campaign?

234885 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 90, #199 of 1468 🔗

Apologies in advance but my Dad did used to work for the News of the World (printer) and this is a Sunday morning.
When the British public see cute looking animals (Mink are vicious but don’t look it) being slaughtered for the sake of public health they smell a rat. As well as the scientific implications of the Mink story it adds a sort of ‘Freddie Starr ate my hamster’ type of element to the whole story.
This coupled with deranged Dr Strangelove type scientists appearing on TV and giving lurid completely of the wall predictions of impending Apocalypse is starting to make the whole thing look the the script for a B grade Sunday afternoon disaster movie. Then Boris Johnson looks worse every-time you see him, he seems to be morphing into Father Jack Hackett from the Father Ted programmes.

At the same time, try as they might the media cannot drum up the same apocalyptic stories as they managed in April/May. As Peter Hitches talks about; back in Spring they manage to achieve power by distilling fear. But the drama that was employed to gain support for this fiasco seems to be turning to farce and comedy and by their behavior the British people seem to have picked up on that and are acting accordingly.
Is this the way the lock-down ends, not with learned scientific debate but by crowds of people queuing for beer at a hamburger stall?

234893 ▶▶ JudgeMental, replying to Steve Martindale, 39, #200 of 1468 🔗

There was an article on this site early on about how people reacted to the plague. It was about how people were petrified at the start and tried to hide but then gradually grew weary of it and returned back to normal. This seems to be happening now.

234947 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to JudgeMental, 15, #201 of 1468 🔗


234907 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Steve Martindale, 51, #202 of 1468 🔗

I was thinking exactly that on a long walk yesterday afternoon. Loads of relaxed people out and about maskless – a completely different atmosphere from Lockdown 1.

The dissenting voices in the tabloids have been getting louder and louder. The PM is now the man who wants to ban Christmas, and the dissenting voices in the tabloids offer an alternative route, bolstered by official admissions of exaggerated statistics – if it has happened once, it could have been like that all along.

I do hope this is how it ends.

235023 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Barney McGrew, 4, #203 of 1468 🔗

The damage has been done Barney, Sir Patrick Vaccine put up a very sobering video about the state of Covent Garden a week before lockdown 2.
It’s right at the beginning of yesterdays posts.

235142 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to karenovirus, 4, #204 of 1468 🔗

Here is the link again. It’s an incredible watch. London is totally broken.
It’s staggering.


235730 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Two-Six, 3, #205 of 1468 🔗

Not just Covent Garden,the whole of the West End and the City.The economic devastation is huge.Only a matter of time before systematic collapse.

235386 ▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Barney McGrew, 6, #206 of 1468 🔗

Johnson is on borrowed time I can’t see him in office this time next year

235636 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Adam, 3, #207 of 1468 🔗

Make sure that he doesn’t continue in office next year.

234949 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Steve Martindale, 14, #208 of 1468 🔗

With every false prophecy, they sow another seed of doubt. Overheard two old boys standing outside my house yesterday, talking about the great reset lol!

234959 ▶▶ alw, replying to Steve Martindale, 19, #209 of 1468 🔗

When the stats were exposed as fraudulent another reason had to be found. Enter the mink. Remember when this started they were blaming the innocent pangolin. Just more of the same old “not me guv”.

234978 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Steve Martindale, 10, #210 of 1468 🔗

One has to be sceptical about the mink story. It’d be more credible with a llamacorn

234979 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #211 of 1468 🔗

Haven’t pavements tested pcr positive?

235066 ▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 5, #212 of 1468 🔗

Also I believe someones keyboard and dog.

236225 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Judy Watson, #213 of 1468 🔗


235017 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Martindale, 10, #214 of 1468 🔗

Not sure what your apology is for but apart from that I agree entirely.
I was part of the vast majority who surrenderd power to Our Boris at the start of lockdown and would have wrapped an old towel over my head if told it would help.

Johnson and his gang have squandered that goodwill and need to go, message the Police around here seem to understand as they remain conspicuous by their absence.

235387 ▶▶▶ Adam, replying to karenovirus, 1, #215 of 1468 🔗


235199 ▶▶ TyRade, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #216 of 1468 🔗

re furry mutant rodents: does this mean mink masks are out?

235486 ▶▶ sam, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #217 of 1468 🔗

i miss the News of the World!

235515 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #218 of 1468 🔗

It’s all very convenient. Just as the public opinion is about to become explosively against lockdowns, here comes along a convenient mutation, right here in the heart of Europe so we can’t blame others and we can’t hide from it, one that not only happens to invalidate most vaccines being worked on, but also seemingly bypasses the idea of herd immunity. It’s not even two birds with one stone. It’s three minks with one stone: promote lockdowns, beat down the idea of herd immunity, and give big pharma an excuse to stop working on vaccines that are probably proving to be massively expensive failures.

234886 Danny, replying to Danny, 49, #219 of 1468 🔗

As a teacher, within this last week I have become acutely aware that my own freedom hangs on a knife edge, regardless of whether I take part in track n trace etc.
Every day, the teenagers I teach are bombarded with orders to download the app, and to get tested if they have even a cold. Given this, we are starting to see positive results, nothing wrong with them. Not sick. But positive results.
But when that happens to one in my class, I too will be locked up for two weeks, along with my young daughter who would be utterly devastated to miss yet more school.
Every email is really unnerving now, as by the law of averages, that will happen soon.

234910 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Danny, 28, #220 of 1468 🔗

I had a circular from Devon Council yesterday it described how the virus was spreading, or at least how they thought it was spreading and to me it seemed like they were describing the normal progress of the common cold in a normal British autumn/winter. We have never been able to stop the common cold anymore than we can stop the rain or the wind rustling through the trees.
80% of people are immune/resistant to serious hospital level covid, that is 53.3 million, so all the actions we are taking are solely to protect the 13.3 million who are susceptible to serious covid. There has to be a better way to protect those 13.3 million than to test & isolate children and scare the living daylights out of them?

234912 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Steve Martindale, 10, #221 of 1468 🔗

Our weekly Council newsletter this week was all about the cold…lagging pipes, using a hot water bottle etc. Only a tiny bit about Covid and in the context of winter illnesses. It’s as if someone clicked on the wrong PDF and took us back to November 2018.

235024 ▶▶▶▶ Cbird, replying to thinkaboutit, 4, #222 of 1468 🔗

Ditto. We passed one of those electronic signs on our local A road yesterday and instead of usual nhs propaganda it said ‘is your car ready for winter?’.

235112 ▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Cbird, 8, #223 of 1468 🔗

The ones here said ‘Essential travel only’…so I travelled unessentially!

234945 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #224 of 1468 🔗

How many of that 13.3 million have at some point this year been exposed to it?

234946 ▶▶ Foxglove, replying to Danny, 16, #225 of 1468 🔗

Yes, this has happened to my daughter. She is now off school for two weeks because someone on the school bus who had a cold has tested positive. The ridiculous thing is i sent her to school when she had a cold, coughing and blowing her nose all over the place. Now that she is perfectly well, no symptoms at all she has to sit at home because of someone else. Why can’t these people just take a lemsip and get on with it.

235638 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Foxglove, 4, #226 of 1468 🔗

Hemlock would be better.

235014 ▶▶ Will, replying to Danny, 7, #227 of 1468 🔗

At least the Telegraph poll showing most teachers want to keep the schools open shows that most of your profession care about education, unlike the unions.

235117 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Will, 6, #228 of 1468 🔗

The teacher unions have never cared about the kids. When I was a teacher in the late 1980s all they cared about was going on strike…I refused to join them.

235079 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Danny, 5, #229 of 1468 🔗

Schools here in Northern Ireland went back after a two week Lockdown. Just completed their first week back and already an entire secondary school has closed again and gone online for two weeks.

We’ve created this mess for ourselves. Teachers I speak to here are too self absorbed to think critically about what is happening


235113 ▶▶ EllGee, replying to Danny, 11, #230 of 1468 🔗

Is the default result a positive one? A friend (81 and doesn’t really go anywhere) had one of the at home testing kits sent. Told her not to but she said why not? Tried sticking it up her nose but it hurt, didn’t bother with the throat and just sent it off. Positive. Daughter-in-law, a nurse, is tested regularly as nurses are. A nurse friend of hers went for her, by appointment, test. They were running late so she rearranged it for another day. Before she went for that test she had a positive result back from the test she didn’t take.

235278 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to EllGee, 6, #231 of 1468 🔗

I spoke to T&T about this the other week as the whole family had to be tested because one of my children had a fever. We only received the results from 4 of the 5 tests, they had lost the 5th and as such that member of the family was designated as Positive and thus had to self isolate for 14 days.

So the default is Positive otherwise they would be taking a chance that someone would be spreading it. Therefore, untested, binned, not received, not registered, and inconclusive results are all classed as Positive.

My theory for a long time is that we don’t have capacity for all these tests which is why the number of Positive suddenly changed to around 20,000+. Even Hancock admitted that tests were just being binned when questioned in Parliament.

236047 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to EllGee, #232 of 1468 🔗

I’ve heard/read about so many positive results from tests never taken, the whole thing is a joke.

236232 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to EllGee, 2, #233 of 1468 🔗

If the virus is so powerful that you need a nappy to stop it leaping off your face and eating your six-feet-away neighbour, how come you need to ram a twig so far up your nose in order to find it?

234892 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 16, #234 of 1468 🔗

Of the gang-of-four Quadroceptors, I fancy Grovel as the source of the leak that bounced Boris into the latest lockdown lunacy.

Grovel has form.

234901 ▶▶ Sophie123, replying to Stuart, 11, #235 of 1468 🔗

I am inclined to agree. It’s not going to be Sunak. Possibly Wanksock.

234906 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Stuart, 7, #236 of 1468 🔗

HIGNFY – heavily suggesting it was Hancock

235011 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #237 of 1468 🔗

If the ONS is down again this week and “admissions” continue to fall I think Hancock will be sacked, Vallance and Whitty will be gone as well.

235021 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Will, #238 of 1468 🔗

Why on earth would Johnson sack Hancock?

235390 ▶▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Julian, #239 of 1468 🔗

Please do Boris

235640 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Julian, 2, #240 of 1468 🔗

They should sack each other.

235073 ▶▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Will, 2, #241 of 1468 🔗

Oh, if only that were to happen

235767 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Will, 1, #242 of 1468 🔗

No one is getting sacked.They all know where the bodies are buried.

235222 ▶▶▶ Arkansas, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #243 of 1468 🔗

Such a great camera angle at the key moment — jump to about 16:02.


234995 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Stuart, 2, #244 of 1468 🔗

Most prob, but the idea that he would be dull enough to use his own phone is ludicrous

235012 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Cecil B, 2, #245 of 1468 🔗

This is Hancock we are talking about….

235043 ▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Will, 5, #246 of 1468 🔗

…The most technology-obsessed of them all, so he would know that his phone could incriminate him.
It’s a tragedy, to say the least, that he didn’t just stay working for his daddy’s software company, an industry where there’s a role for people who have had a humanity-bypass at birth.

236236 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, #247 of 1468 🔗

‘humanity by-pass at birth’ – very well put. Judging by the number of zombies surrounding us just now, that operation must be carried out on the majority of newborns.

235018 ▶▶ Alan P, replying to Stuart, 1, #248 of 1468 🔗

Via the delectable Sarah perhaps?

235036 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Stuart, 2, #249 of 1468 🔗

Maybe it was a plot hatched by all four of them in conjunction Dominic Machiavelli himself. The Speaker had previously torn Hancock and Johnson a strip for their contemptuous attitude to the House, so maybe they were just striking back and circumventing the House and Speaker again. And the rest is theatre.
Or maybe my imagination is running riot.

235096 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Stuart, #250 of 1468 🔗

I’m fancy witless or unbalanced acting on inside information.

235135 ▶▶ StevieH, replying to Stuart, 3, #251 of 1468 🔗

Do you really believe he was “bounced” into it? Whoever leaked the dodgy data did us all a favour because we had more time to scrutinise it and it was rubbished pretty quickly. Johnson had every intention of doing this – any explanation to the contrary is a pathetic attempt at spin to divert attention.

235463 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Stuart, #252 of 1468 🔗

I would lay odds that is was Handoncock.

235645 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to mattghg, #253 of 1468 🔗

HandJob CockUp.

234899 Will, replying to Will, 45, #254 of 1468 🔗

Trump was a rubbish President and Biden will be a rubbish President but I am not an American so I don’t really care. Let’s focus on moving on from this ruinous lockdown in the UK and returning OUR country to normal. Let’s concentrate our efforts on highlighting the falling infections according to the ONS and KCL, let’s start championing the effective herd immunity we are seeing throughout the UK…

234940 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Will, 15, #255 of 1468 🔗

Hear, hear!!! I’ve been irritated at people who have been following this election and talking about it non-stop whilst at the same time ignoring the real problems we have in this country.

234969 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Bart Simpson, 11, #256 of 1468 🔗

But remember: when America sneezes, the world catches a cold covid!

235393 ▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to IanE, 2, #257 of 1468 🔗

If the rest of the world stop gormlessly clinging to America the better it would be

234993 ▶▶▶ davews, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #258 of 1468 🔗

And saddened that today’s update and comments seem to be largely about Biden. Choice between the devil and the deep blue sea as far as I can see.

235020 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #259 of 1468 🔗

Well I agree we have to accept what happens, move on, and fight our own battles here, but I think the result of the election especially what it means to our cause is a legitimate subject for discussion. I know Trump is a divisive figure and I don’t think we should let him divide us, but there’s a debate to had regarding the impact on the anti-coronapanic campaign.

234964 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Will, 17, #260 of 1468 🔗

Sadly, I think that what happens in the US will be on its way here very soon – including the media superseding the democratic process..

234996 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Barney McGrew, 13, #261 of 1468 🔗

Every day this lockdown is further exposed as completely unnecessary the hold the MSM have over the country is diminishing. When we win this fight for Lockdown Scepticism it will also herald a victory against media orthodoxy and groupthink.

235648 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Barney McGrew, 2, #262 of 1468 🔗

They already have superseded the democratic process. Overrun it, overtaken it and subverted it.

234983 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Will, 22, #263 of 1468 🔗

It does impact us, I’m afraid. Example: Big tech getting bigger and more censorious vs being checked. That is/was at stake, and it impacts us all.

234999 ▶▶ JoeBlogg, replying to Will, 11, #264 of 1468 🔗

Yes you’re right, let’s all be so narrow minded that we believe the elected president of the most powerful democracy in the world deserves “really no care”.

Infections, figures, graphs, studies and statistics are all pretty much pointless at this stage, they prove only what we have all known all along.

Anyone still believing this “deadly virus” shit deserves what will come.

235397 ▶▶▶ Adam, replying to JoeBlogg, 2, #265 of 1468 🔗

USA is in terminal decline

235016 ▶▶ Alan P, replying to Will, 2, #266 of 1468 🔗

Agree with you there Will !

234902 nickbowes, 25, #267 of 1468 🔗

Dear President Trump, the freedom loving people of the world are behind you. The swamp and fake news cannot be allowed to declare Biden as President, it is evident through many reports that fraud was committed on an industrial scale -this will go on for a while yet.

234903 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 5, #268 of 1468 🔗

If Christmas is to be shifted to mid-Summer, why not Remembrance Day also?

The Waterloo victory is still celebrated in June by dinner off solid gold plate at Buckingham Palance and a combined remembrance of all Britain’s war dead going back over two hundred years would have a certain resonance.

234932 ▶▶ Chris John, replying to Stuart, 5, #269 of 1468 🔗

And we can hang the Quad to be beaten to death like the piñata they are

234944 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Stuart, 3, #270 of 1468 🔗

There’s out of touch and then there is OUT OF TOUCH!!!

235399 ▶▶ Adam, replying to Stuart, 3, #271 of 1468 🔗

SAGE and this apology of a government can fuck off if they are suggesting Christmas in June

234904 mary, replying to mary, 16, #272 of 1468 🔗

1000% sure he US election result was fiddled, Trump probably won. , I dont know what the BBC told everyone (I dont watch it) but there was widespread fiddling which is going to be challenged in law courts
I really believe Trump was our only hope against the criminal bunch who are holding the world to ransom, We’re screwed now

234935 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to mary, 9, #273 of 1468 🔗

It’s not over until it’s over.

235652 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Basileus, 1, #274 of 1468 🔗

Yogi Berra.

234997 ▶▶ The Spingler, replying to mary, 3, #275 of 1468 🔗

Relying on Trump to restore sanity is surely the very definition of madness? By the time Biden takes over in Feb not even the most dedicated covid fanatics will be able to argue that the pandemic isn’t over. And with the Republicans in control in the senate and the supreme Court its no wonder that senior Republican party figures are quietly satisfied with the results.

235015 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to The Spingler, 11, #276 of 1468 🔗

By the time Biden takes over in Feb not even the most dedicated covid fanatics will be able to argue that the pandemic isn’t over. “

I wish I could believe that to be the case, but it has been obvious for a while that the “pandemic” is over (in fact it never really started, in the sense that it was never what is was cracked up to be).

234905 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 7, #277 of 1468 🔗

Broadway Market

I take it this is an open air market? Well in my small balliwick here up North we didn’t have one. Who decided that I wonder? No opportunity yesterday then to buy fruit and veg from the lass with the lovely Geordie twang.

235004 ▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to Ned of the Hills, #278 of 1468 🔗


235546 ▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Caroline Watson, #279 of 1468 🔗

No. I’m on t’other side o’t Pennines.

235052 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ned of the Hills, 1, #280 of 1468 🔗

The clue is probably in the name, the roadway broadens out to accommodate an animal market and has been that way since early Anglo Saxon times.

234909 mary, replying to mary, 37, #281 of 1468 🔗

POPPY DAY Beyond sickened to think that our and allied WW2 soldiers died in blazing tanks and planes so thatba little runt like Hancock and his like could live in a free country.

235403 ▶▶ Adam, replying to mary, 3, #282 of 1468 🔗

In regards to Hancock I wonder if any veterans still have their service weapons

235689 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Adam, 2, #283 of 1468 🔗

Not allowed any more. I was one of the last generation of officers who were expected to, or legally-able, to buy their own service weapons.

234911 Ned of the Hills, 30, #284 of 1468 🔗

I counted three pensioners using their bus passes yesterday just to go for a joy ride on the bus to view the autumn colours.

Three may not sound many but it amounts to more than a quarter of the passengers I saw yesterday.

It probably didn’t cross their minds they were breaching the lockdown diktat.

234913 SundayMorning, replying to SundayMorning, 7, #285 of 1468 🔗

Closing down Remembrance Sunday? Surely not.

234926 ▶▶ annie, replying to SundayMorning, 26, #286 of 1468 🔗

Yep. Cowards don’t like to be reminded that other men were brave.

235115 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to annie, 5, #287 of 1468 🔗

Well put Annie.

234914 Barney McGrew, 11, #288 of 1468 🔗

The Downfall vid is brilliant. I hope Johnson and his goons see it.

234916 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 5, #289 of 1468 🔗

The two latest cases associated with isolation facility with the Russian fishermen seemed to have been MoD workers and the last one flew an internal flight to Wellington. Awful difficult to keep zero covid free also in NZ summer.Also a new case in isolation facility was a “sick” arriving passenger from Germany.
“A Covid-infected quarantine worker in Auckland is thought to have infected another person who then travelled to Wellington, but the Health Ministry is currently advising no change to alert levels.
Both are Defence Force employees.
One of them flew from Auckland to Wellington on Thursday on flight NZ 457, sitting in row 23.
Officials are now asking all people sitting within two rows of the worker to get tested and to isolate until November 19. All of their household contacts are also being asked to isolate until the contact on the flight tests negative.

They are now in a quarantine facility in Wellington. Five household contacts are being tested and are in self-isolation.
Defence House, where about 1300 personnel work, has been closed for a deep clean and all staff will work from home until further notice.
The ministry is still looking into how two health workers at the Sudima facility in Christchurch became infected. They were both interacting with infected mariners, though the genome sequencing suggests they have different strains to each other.”

234939 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to swedenborg, 17, #290 of 1468 🔗

There’s something very odd going on in NZ. Where are their serology studies, what are the details around the PCR testing and cycles? How are people taking internal flights catching it?

235054 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to PoshPanic, 8, #291 of 1468 🔗

I think they have been quite strict with PCR tests and not wanting dubious non-infectious cases to disturb the picture. Not seen anything about serological studies. It is clearly in their interest to have only true cases counted. They are also genetic typing of each case to see any connections. There has not been any transmission on internal flights. The concern now is one MoD staff infected taking a flight to Wellington which has not had any cases before. No internal flight has spread the C-19 so far but now they are testing some people attending this flight. NZ is now concerned that there is a NZ flight coming in very soon from Denmark potentially bringing in the “dangerous” mink virus strain. I think the whole NZ effort is a futile fight against nature. Many C-19 cases are very mild and the notion that there are currently no further cases of C-19 in NZ is not believable. Even flu circulated at very low level during summertime and it is bound to happen in NZ now with C-19. I think it is now the 7 th time that these isolation camps have spread to the community during the last 3 months. So far, they have not detected any spread of cases further but is that 100 % believable?

235408 ▶▶▶ Adam, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #292 of 1468 🔗

Haven’t New Zealand just elected the extremist far left Jacinda Ardern and that odd woman with the barcode on her chin

234917 John Smith, replying to John Smith, 20, #293 of 1468 🔗

Erm…. Pervy Joe has won fuck all yet.

234968 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to John Smith, 7, #294 of 1468 🔗

Correct! The fat lady hasn’t started applying her makeup yet.

235263 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to John Smith, 3, #295 of 1468 🔗

This is just an MSM ploy to initiate the start of riots and civil disturbance. It is now sown into their minds, so that anything Trump now does will lead to major problems across the US.

235718 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to John Smith, 1, #296 of 1468 🔗

Joe Biden=Post Covid-19 Stress Syndrome.

234922 snippet, replying to snippet, 5, #297 of 1468 🔗

What is the most sceptical town in the UK? And conversely, what is the least sceptical?

Perhaps we need a running top (and bottom) 10.

235001 ▶▶ Julian, replying to snippet, 5, #298 of 1468 🔗

I moved a while ago to a place that is very small-c conservative where people are in general better behaved than the average, as far as I can see (except when they have had a beer when they go beserk). It’s a bit on the dull side but suits me as I’m ready for a quieter life than I had.

But they are super-compliant – I don’t know about the % of sceptics as I don’t know many people here but mask wearing is more or less 100% in the supermarkets. So right now I partly wish I lived in a place full of hooligans not rule-followers.

That said, I have heard and observed “illegal” home visits going on – so they are compliant publicly but often not in private. And while mask wearing in shops is almost universal, away from the shops almost no-one wears a mask.

235082 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Julian, 3, #299 of 1468 🔗

This is the story in my town. People are very compliant but also seem quite ambivalent. There are very few masks to be seen outside of where they are mandated.

Whenever I go to London, I see more outdoor mask wearing, a sign of enthusiasm, but I also see more outright non-compliance in places where masks are mandated. So it seems more polarised there.

235291 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, #300 of 1468 🔗

Exactly my experience of London

235306 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Julian, 2, #301 of 1468 🔗

The critical point is the vaccination. Will they comply with that for an easy life and because that’s what the gov wants them to do – or will they draw the line?

235022 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to snippet, 13, #302 of 1468 🔗

I have to vote for Leicester…I feel like people forget that as the original local lockdown area, they have never been out of lockdown. No one there gives a monkeys anymore and I think the last people who did stopped around August.

235027 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to snippet, 3, #303 of 1468 🔗

Don’t think this will answer your question but during my recent time off, Mr Bart and I went to Windsor and Colchester – the former was much more relaxed while the latter wasn’t, in fact the establishments in Colchester (at least the ones we went to) seemed very rigid with their observance of the regulations in a way that we didn’t experience at Windsor.

235038 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #304 of 1468 🔗

Must be an Essex thing. Here, mask-compliance is very, very high.

235227 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to kh1485, 3, #305 of 1468 🔗

Whatever happened to Norman Tebbitt’s essex man?

235277 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Borisbullshit, 3, #306 of 1468 🔗

Exactly. We could do with the Chingford Skinhead right now.

235410 ▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to kh1485, 1, #307 of 1468 🔗

Not in the part of Essex where I live (Romford)

235490 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Adam, 1, #308 of 1468 🔗

Sadly, they’re a pretty obliging lot here in the People’s Republic of Saffron Walden.

235657 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to kh1485, 2, #309 of 1468 🔗

Walden Two, by B.F. Skinner.

235063 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to snippet, 2, #310 of 1468 🔗

Judging by the many field reports that have been posted over the months it seems peoples reactions have been remarkably consistent. Even the timing and extent of supermarket queues seemed the same everywhere.
The biggest difference seems to be that rural areas are less masky than urban.

235239 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to karenovirus, 3, #311 of 1468 🔗

I went away for a few days to the Cotswolds in late October…very beautiful too. I noticed that in the larger villages like Broadway with more tourists the masked muppets were very numerous whilst in the more lovely out of the way parts like the Duntisbournes and Sapperton there was not a mask in sight. Even saw a school playground with unmasked children and teachers playing games in the playground and no anti social distancing at all. It was like watching an old Midsomer Murders….I stood and watched and took in the joy.

235064 ▶▶ Christopher, replying to snippet, 4, #312 of 1468 🔗

My part of Essex is by and large sceptical , sure there are still plenty of mind controlled zombies wearing masks in the street but mostly no one seems to give a shit anymore . Wednesday nights knees up in my local was full on party time , everyone hugging and shaking hands etc and all at close quarters with not one mask worn in the entire pub .
My Mrs has family up north , The Midlands and Liverpool and on her last visit to them a month ago she could not believe how paranoid and compliant they were especially her Liverpool based sister . Not sure if her Midlands based sister’s attitude has changed since but the Liverpool based one told the Mrs last week not to come visit again till the ” PANDEMIC ” is over.
Dear God what a drone !!!!

235109 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to snippet, #313 of 1468 🔗

I’d propose London Fields, Hackney judging by the pictures from Broadway market yesterday

234929 Rob Landeros, replying to Rob Landeros, 13, #314 of 1468 🔗

Tucked away in todays Roundup section is this gem: “Smoking Gun: Fauci States COVID Test Has Fatal Flaw; Confession From the ‘Beloved’ Expert of Experts”  – Jon Rapppoport writing on LeeRockwell.com has discovered a podcast in which Anthony Fauci says that the PRC test is useless and misleading when the test is run at “35 cycles or higher”. In the UK, it’s typically run at 45 cycles. In the US the FDA recommends 40 cycles.

Be sure to check it out.

235103 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Rob Landeros, 4, #315 of 1468 🔗

Rappoport was onto this in Feb and even before when talking about AIDS. For COVID his whole point was the “it’s not just one thing” aspect is easily ignored to make people feel better. It becomes One Thing so it’s then easy to shape the narrative and introduce loads of vaguery so that you can say anything is COVID. Precisely what we saw.

234936 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 15, #316 of 1468 🔗

From the Roundup.
The Guardian quotes a Tory rebel as saying that in any future lockdown vote as many as 100 Tory MPs might revolt.
At that rate johnson will soon have to rely entirely on the Labour Party to get his way.
A situation not seen since the repeal of the Corn Laws in the 1840s when a Tory PM relied on the Whig Opposition to defeat his own backbenchers.

This led to a split in the Tory Party and the rise if the Liberals which remained a major party for 80years.

235006 ▶▶ Will, replying to karenovirus, 8, #317 of 1468 🔗

An extension of lockdown is inconceivable. Johnson would be gone.

235071 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Will, 7, #318 of 1468 🔗

I thought that about lockdown in June.

235008 ▶▶ Julian, replying to karenovirus, 7, #319 of 1468 🔗

The trouble is Labour will always support lockdowns. We need the Tories to ditch Johnson and Hancock and install Sunak so they have some room to change direction. Don’t get me wrong I am not a fan of Sunak but he is marginally less tarnished than the others, at least in the eyes of the general public, and realistically it’s probably the best we can hope for right now.

235248 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Julian, 8, #320 of 1468 🔗

God isnt it depressing that Labour will always support lockdowns. I was a member of the party in the early 1980s when it was far far more working class. Would it have supported lockdowns then? Isomehow doubt it.

235419 ▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Borisbullshit, 2, #321 of 1468 🔗

https://www.sdp.org.uk forget the Tories and liebore busted flushes

235747 ▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Adam, 1, #322 of 1468 🔗

The tories are rubbish I agree and I would have voted SDP last time had they fielded a candidate in Telford.

235660 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Julian, 1, #323 of 1468 🔗

Magic Money Tree Rishi.

235083 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to karenovirus, 6, #324 of 1468 🔗

These Tory rebels are shithouses. Always going to stand up and be counted ‘next time’. Don’t even get me started on Labour.

234938 Laurence, replying to Laurence, 6, #325 of 1468 🔗

Response to DJ Austin

I apologise for the long delay in responding, but we now have the opportunity to look at the latest French death figures that go up to 26/10 – there are even some to 30/10 but they don’t cover the whole country.

Looking at the 30/10 figures, the latest week shows a very large excess death over the 2018/19 average as you suspected it would. However, this is completely uncorrelated with the increase in people who have died with a positive test.

The reason I say that ? The excess death rate is pretty much a straight line since 1 August (it’s similar in the UK apart from a huge discontinuity in the w/e 4/9.

Coming back to lockdown, I still haven’t had an answer to why Sweden and Brazil etc followed a very similar pattern to countries where there was no lockdown (and for that matter why Peru which had a draconian lockdown suffered so badly) – if you cannot think of a reason other than herd infection and/ or seasonality please say so.

235013 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Laurence, 1, #326 of 1468 🔗

Looking at the 30/10 figures, the latest week shows a very large excess death over the 2018/19 average as you suspected it would. However, this is completely uncorrelated with the increase in people who have died with a positive test.”

Do you have a source for this? Also what makes you say it is uncorrelated?

235425 ▶▶▶ Laurence, replying to Julian, #327 of 1468 🔗

Source Insee(French equivalent of ONS). You will see that the excess death rate has been about the same since 1/8.

235104 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Laurence, #328 of 1468 🔗

Re your last para, if the main route of infection is particles (not droplets) in the air and on surfaces, then it makes sense, since even in a lockdown people are mixing in shops, breathing in the air and touching surfaces others have touched. I think in China in some places they confined people to their homes and delivered food to them. That should have at least temporary suppressive effect.

234961 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Basileus, 5, #330 of 1468 🔗

Thanks for the link. The youtube video shows the black clad police behaving like the thugs they have become.

235256 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Londo Mollari, 6, #331 of 1468 🔗

I am so ashamed of the British Police now…I really cant bear to see them in their horrible clothing and masks and batons and gas sprays…they are despicable.

234984 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Basileus, 5, #332 of 1468 🔗

Wonder where the police were originally from, are they part of the ‘new recruits’

234988 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #333 of 1468 🔗

Romania and Bulgaria

235075 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, #334 of 1468 🔗

After Brexit will that be legal?

235106 ▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to karenovirus, 6, #335 of 1468 🔗

Something will be legal or illegal depending in how the authorities weigh up their interest on that particular day.

235288 ▶▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Cecil B, 7, #336 of 1468 🔗

Listen to their accents they are English .What is this fantasy that the British police treat everyone nice but the nasty foreign ones are dangerous .Grow up the police are agents of the state and are there to manage dissent .They kill people and will cover it up at the drop of a hat .Remember Ian Tomlinson he was a paper seller trying to make his way home and happen to come upon the police as they cleared the steets after a protest near the bank of england .The police said he collapsed and had a heart attack .Only later did footage emerge of him being hit by the police as he tried to walk away .The police have killed loads of people over the years and like the Tomlinson case never been prosecuted.The people who think our police are there to give old ladies directions or rescue lost kittens are living in a fantasy world .

234998 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #337 of 1468 🔗

They are from the EU. The same badgeless ‘police’ from the yellow vest protests. There was a video on YouTube where somebody was showing the same faces in different countries protests but I can’t find it now.

235074 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Basileus, 2, #338 of 1468 🔗

Good for Debbie.

235664 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Basileus, 1, #339 of 1468 🔗

The Stroud. I visited there in 1976 with my Cotswold girlfriend.

234954 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 23, #340 of 1468 🔗

Great update Toby and well done to the army chiefs for speaking out against the decision to cancel Remembrance Sunday.

Regardless of what happens, I will be at a war memorial to pay my own respects to the war dead.

Lest We Forget.

234957 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #341 of 1468 🔗

Me too

234956 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 27, #342 of 1468 🔗

I think some people are missing the commonalty between the lockdowns and the US election. The commonality is the power of mass media to define reality. This power has been weaponised by outfits like the CIA in countries like Ukraine. It is now being used in NATO countries to carry out an agenda. We can speculate as to the reasons but I do not believe that the events of 2020 have been fundamentally due to policy blunders. I note that when facts about the election are posted, the Biden-has-won-brigade resort to the same sneering as commonly greets sceptics about the lockdown tyranny.

235003 ▶▶ Will, replying to Londo Mollari, 12, #343 of 1468 🔗

The Telegraph is the most read broadsheet in the UK and is increasingly lockdown sceptic. I don’t know the figures for the mail but I suspect it has at least double the readership of the Guardian. This battle is being won through the MSM.

235005 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Will, 7, #344 of 1468 🔗

Despite them not because of them though

235119 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to CGL, 5, #345 of 1468 🔗

They reflect public opinion. We are fortunate in that we can change public opinion through careful exposure of reasoned argument on social media platforms.

236074 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Will, 1, #346 of 1468 🔗

In years gone by they used to question and investigate for themselves – is that not their job?

Public opinion is what it is now, because of the manipulated main stream news coverage, and then measured by the manipulated questions asked by pollsters with an agenda to come up with the right answers.

So if they are reflecting it, they are reflecting exactly the propaganda they are putting out. That’s a bit of a viscious circle isn’t it.

It shouldn’t really be the job of the viewer/readership to prove them wrong, should it?

236079 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to CGL, 1, #347 of 1468 🔗

That’s the plan but the public have seen through it which is why lockdown 2 is being largely ignored.

235009 ▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to Will, 6, #348 of 1468 🔗

Can’t agree with that view. Too many time both newspapers will run stories and articles which are pro-lockdown or vaccine or scaremongering. There isn’t a single media outlet which has been consistent in this engineered crisis.

235123 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Alan P, 2, #349 of 1468 🔗

A newspaper that turns to polemic ceases to be taken seriously. The Telegraph has called out this lockdown as an error.

235010 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Will, 14, #350 of 1468 🔗

Ideally we would want the Telegraph to get off the fence. They deserve credit for allowing both sides to have a say, but they still regularly feature needlessly alarmist, irresponsible headlines. The same goes for the Mail.

235033 ▶▶▶ chris, replying to Will, 8, #351 of 1468 🔗

All of the MSM is controlled. Some ‘non-programme’ opinions are sometimes inserted to get the ‘red pilled’ to read the news outlet. Some of the readers will then accept part of the programme and perhaps be comforted and thus controlled. The Telegraph has gone full-on Biden, yet it ignored Hunter’s laptop. If that is responsible journalism I’m a monkey.

235172 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to chris, 5, #352 of 1468 🔗

Absolutely amazed at all the pro-Biden coverage today in the Telegraph. Even if you are anti-Trump anyone can surely see Biden is a very poor candidate – dishonest, very corrupt and has a habit of inappropriate behaviour around women and children.

Biden will block any meaningful Brexit. Deep state establishment speaking via the Telegraph.

235424 ▶▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Darryl, 2, #353 of 1468 🔗

Fuck Biden I would rather be independent than grovel to a doddery old Yankee geriatric who still thinks the British are coming

235045 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Will, 10, #354 of 1468 🔗

This is the best comment of the day for me. Thank you. Yes we are getting traction, the traffic is only one way, from believer to sceptic.

We will win, we can only lose if we allow it but every day I see thousands joining our ranks.


236073 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Will, #355 of 1468 🔗

Through the comments sections of the MSM.

Sadly the cowardly Telegraph does not allow comments on its YouTube site.

235102 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Londo Mollari, 9, #356 of 1468 🔗

Just think how simple it was for the Democrats to find those Biden ‘votes’ in the middle of the night.

Think how much easier it must be to find ‘cases’

234965 Arnie, replying to Arnie, 27, #357 of 1468 🔗

Rememberance Sunday today folks.

If there is one thing that you do today please honour those people who fought and died in for our FREEDOMS.

If you can put in a visit to the memorials please do.

I have asked a neighbour of mine (who just happens to play the bugle) to play the last post at 11am. He’s not a sceptic but has agreed to do it because ‘what we are being told to forget is just too important not to act’. Quite.

Have a great day folks.


235030 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Arnie, 14, #358 of 1468 🔗

Hear, hear!!! I will go to one, I think cancelling Remembrance Sunday is a disgrace.

Especially as this year marks the centenary of the unveiling of the Cenotaph.

235089 ▶▶ Jane G, replying to Arnie, 7, #359 of 1468 🔗

I will be there at our Cenotaph. Sod ’em.

234966 Ed Phillips, replying to Ed Phillips, 23, #360 of 1468 🔗

Remembrance Sunday isn’t illegal. The law states that services can go ahead. I haven’t read the guidance.

What we have instead is cowardice.

234977 ▶▶ Adam, replying to Ed Phillips, 19, #361 of 1468 🔗

People need to grow a pair and say to hell with these rules

234972 flyingjohn, replying to flyingjohn, 18, #362 of 1468 🔗

Biden has not won. It’s not over.

235060 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to flyingjohn, 3, #363 of 1468 🔗


235086 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to flyingjohn, 8, #364 of 1468 🔗

Exactly. Remember Gore Bush in 2000? They even had the headlines as well.

The process is to be followed but there does seem to be lots of fuckery afoot.

Why is this relevant to the UK? Because the same “lead by falsehood and propaganda” is going on here. The media and the government think that by saying things enough that they are true.

There was a story about how an official contracted COVID-19 because he wasn’t wearing a mask. Eh, I thought masks don’t protect you from getting it? Hence the reason you “wear it for others?”

Even the narrative is shot full of holes

235137 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to mhcp, 2, #365 of 1468 🔗

Yep, happened not just Gore Bush, years before that “Dewey defeats Truman” headline news – I think even Truman woke up surprised to see he’d actually won!

235147 ▶▶▶ Mike, replying to mhcp, 8, #366 of 1468 🔗

Its setting the USA up for riots…Once the courts overturn the media the left will go bash*t crazy. Trump will be blamed for being corrupt, the ‘deplorables’ will be blamed for being thick selfish morons and the media will push the narrative for civil unrest if not war. I get the impression they are already salty that Trump supporters aren’t rioting but are trying to follow legal process.

In the UK the narrative is similar but focused on COVID. Sceptics are deplorables, people questioning the narrative are the scum of the earth, legal process is dead in the water for anyone pushing back and the majority of sheep are just happy to go along with the farce!

The media is the virus, that has become self evident!!

235746 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Mike, 2, #367 of 1468 🔗

Mind Virus – Mark Windows, Windows on the World.

234973 TJN, replying to TJN, 15, #368 of 1468 🔗

Disturbing column by Liam Halligan in The Telegraph this morning, in which he deplores the level of ‘Quantities Easing’ (horrible phrase, I think).


His arguments are blatantly obvious to anyone who has thought about this, although not apparently to anyone in government or at the Bank of England.

He explains that in the first round of QE, in the aftermath of the 2008-9 financial crisis, owing to technical issues the money created remained essentially within the banking system (and thus found its way into assets, such as shares and property).

But this time, as the government is seeking to finance lockdown, the vast sums created are – through the furlough scheme – being sent straight to the bank accounts of the wider population.

No prizes for guessing where this leads. As he concludes: ‘It will end in inflation, a currency collapse and broader financial turmoil.’

But it is clear to me that it goes further. A currency collapse will inevitably be associated with a societal collapse. Imagine 1970s UK.

But there are far worse historical parallels. Everyone laments at how evil the Nazis were. But very few people bother to ask where they came from.

If a currency collapses there is hell to pay.

234981 ▶▶ IanE, replying to TJN, 8, #369 of 1468 🔗

All true – and we have now learnt what it was like for the decent thoughtful people in pre-war Nazi Germany and Stalinist Russia. The future is not orange; it is black.

235055 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to TJN, 4, #370 of 1468 🔗

They want inflation however, just not too much. Its a balancing act

235136 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to TJN, 4, #371 of 1468 🔗

Good for exports! Remember ‘March of the makers’ ten years ago?

Oh hang on, our manufactured export sector is so small it won’t move the dial anymore and as for services well we are going to struggle to sell those into Europe (our biggest single market) the way the Brexit negotiations are going…

235751 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to jhfreedom, 1, #372 of 1468 🔗

Global Action Plan.

234974 IanE, 5, #373 of 1468 🔗

Bob hits the spot yet again – life is now so bitter.

234975 Adam, replying to Adam, 7, #374 of 1468 🔗

America has chosen an establishment lackey President it won’t end well, though Britain is not qualified to lecture other Countries are We considering We have bumbling Boris

235122 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Adam, 7, #375 of 1468 🔗

Have the actual living Americans, on a one person one vote basis, made that choice?

Trump should fight this all the way.

235132 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Ovis, 4, #376 of 1468 🔗

Not sure about ‘living’ Americans…. 🙂

234982 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 26, #377 of 1468 🔗

Johnson is a weak weak man. He has let the spivs and wolves in the door to wreak havoc wherever they want. We are the lab rats, the vaccine, itemised per head, is their money tree.

234989 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to Dan Clarke, 23, #378 of 1468 🔗

He opened the door to the hen house and let the foxes in. He has betrayed those that he was employed to protect.
There will be a day of reckoning.

235053 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Dan Clarke, 11, #379 of 1468 🔗

He looks utterly dejected when in the commons now

235058 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #380 of 1468 🔗

Pathetic. He is in charge, and if he wanted to he can fix this mess.

235095 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 10, #381 of 1468 🔗

Good, the lardy sack of shit

236038 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #382 of 1468 🔗


236091 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #383 of 1468 🔗

Utterly dejected ? So he should, vile cowardly ‘man’ he has turned out to be.

235056 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Dan Clarke, 14, #384 of 1468 🔗

Johnson will be the most hated PM in living memory.

We can just wonder how violently people will react when they eventually found out that he was instrumental in them losing their jobs, businesses etc

235110 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Victoria, 6, #385 of 1468 🔗

That’s why they won’t back off and will need to be made to

235252 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Victoria, #386 of 1468 🔗

I think you’ll find the polls will say he’s the most popular Dictator we’ve ever had.

235432 ▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to JohnB, 3, #387 of 1468 🔗

Opinion polls are bullshit always have been

235407 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #388 of 1468 🔗

Special vaccine for special people. People don’t believe it but different age groups will get targeted vaccines.

235002 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 7, #389 of 1468 🔗

The mink stories have been repeated numerous times now. Here was one from Utah. So are we to believe this mutation sprung up independently in all these locations, or were the animals being exported between them?


235026 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #390 of 1468 🔗

If you start looking for the sequence you will find it. But if you are not looking for it you would not, probably no more than that.

I don’t get why this Mink story is getting traction when we had the same thing earlier in the summer in Netherlands (or am I misremembering?)

235031 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Leemc23, 5, #391 of 1468 🔗

Yeah, in Denmark too. We’ll have the Covid cat scare stories repeated next.

235114 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Leemc23, 6, #392 of 1468 🔗

I think it is because the Mink story affects the vaccine development programme. To me it illustrates the folly of investing so much in a vaccine programme when we have never has a vaccine for the cold , flu vaccines are iffy and they never got a vaccine for AIDS.
There should have been much more effort put into developing effective treatments for the 20% of people who are potentially susceptible to serious hospital covid, the remaining 80% do not need a vaccine or a treatment.

235044 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to PoshPanic, 7, #393 of 1468 🔗

I have wondered the same thing. I think it just goes to illustrate that there’s like trillions of viruses in the world (like more than the number of stars in the universe I believe) many of which jump between species and mutate and moreover any attempts by us to control these ancient processes are completely fruitless.

235766 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #394 of 1468 🔗

I guess that the minks weren’t wearing masks when they had sex.

235007 John Stone, 12, #395 of 1468 🔗

Our hospital system has only 40% of the beds per capita that it had 30 years ago. We shut down the infectious disease hospitals so they are the wrong kind of beds. At the beginning of the crisis we had the worst ICU capacity in Europe, we did not have the PPE (thanks to sheer incompetence) AND OF COURSE WE DID NOT HAVE THE MANPOWER.

235019 PoshPanic, 6, #396 of 1468 🔗

Sky News article on WWIII. Personally, I think it already begun at the start of this year, but it’s a trade/tech/culture war, that has already claimed untold victims.


“We have to remember history might not repeat itself but it has a rhythm and if you look back at the last century, before both world wars, I think it was unarguable that there was escalation that led to the miscalculation which ultimately led to war at a scale we would hopefully never see again.”

235028 Leemc23, 6, #397 of 1468 🔗
235032 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 16, #398 of 1468 🔗

Unfortunately I don’t see any point in Remembrance Day now. As far as I’m concerned the people who fought and died for us just wasted their lives. Our liberties and freedoms have been sacrificed on the crosses of multiculturalism, diversity and the flu.

235040 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Smelly Melly, 26, #399 of 1468 🔗

Does that mean we shouldn’t honour them? Their sacrifice was the same, regardless of whether their achievements have been squandered by those who followed them.

235161 ▶▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #400 of 1468 🔗

Why, they fought and died for our freedoms which have now been insulted by politicians. There is a proposal to extend hate speech into the home. This is an insult to the fallen.

235047 ▶▶ Sara, replying to Smelly Melly, 15, #401 of 1468 🔗

You’re not wrong – but they gave their all and so we must take inspiration from them, and courage from the example that they gave us, and continue to campaign for liberty.

235051 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Smelly Melly, 16, #402 of 1468 🔗

Those people that believe the Government scare stories and act upon it, i.e snitching, masking, neglecting family members, etc are the ones that totally disrespect the people that fought and died for our country. Pathetic. Shame on you!!!

A bigger shame is for the Government and all the MPs that voted for this unnecessary lockdown and therefore cancelled Remembrance Day. These people should all go.

235062 ▶▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Victoria, #403 of 1468 🔗

They are the majority by far.

235035 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 18, #404 of 1468 🔗

I am not a lawyer, This is a guess, not even a prediction

The Dolan case result appears to be taking longer than initially anticipated

I suspect the Judges will be asking the questions: Where are we now?, how did we get here? and what is the remedy?

Where are we now?

That one is easy to answer. We are living under a dictatorship complete with all the injustice that dictatorship brings

How did we get here?

The institutions that should have prevented a dictatorship coming to power have failed us

A parliament stuffed full of people who’s loyalty is first to money, then themselves, and then their party.

The only rights we have are those that the dictator gives and takes away on a daily basis

What is the remedy?

A ruling that declares what has happened is illegal

A ruling that outlines in great detail the rights of the people, the right not to be imprisoned without trial etc, etc

It must be a ruling that ensures (in so far as any law can ensure anything) that a dictatorship never rises again in this country

235050 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Cecil B, 4, #405 of 1468 🔗

That would be quite a polticial judgement. At least on the last point. In law, the question is had they the legal right to do what they have done.

235061 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Cecil B, 5, #406 of 1468 🔗

The only question I hear them saying is ‘what are the ramifications for ME’?

235148 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Cecil B, 4, #407 of 1468 🔗

This is where Boris’s argument – “it’s what people want” – comes unstuck. Freedoms and rights under a constitution are not directly susceptible to the majority and therefore cannot be voted down or set aside just because the majority, misguidedly, wants it. The constitution in a democracy safeguards the liberties which make democracy possible. This is also why Lindsay Hoyle’s intervention in the Dolan case is mistaken. The Commons must work within the constitution as overseen and protected by the Supreme Court.

235046 Dan72, replying to Dan72, 6, #409 of 1468 🔗

The piece by Dr Simon Clarke in the Spectator is just the thing that winds me up about all this. The models suggest one thing, the actual evidence, quite another. Rather than explain away the evidence with some of that science shit, they just put their fingers in their ears and pretend they don’t see it. Why is that?

235057 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Dan72, 4, #410 of 1468 🔗

Sunk cost fallacy, agendas, politics

235068 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Dan72, 7, #411 of 1468 🔗

I hope Heneghan takes it apart.

235108 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Dan72, 11, #412 of 1468 🔗

I would say, looking at his page on University of Reading, his academic career has stalled at the level of Associate Professor (Senior Lecturer/Reader). His publication profile suggests he is no longer research active. He is therefore pursuing a media career, and I read somewhere he is a local Tory councillor. He knows enough to sound credible when interviewed on TV, but he is not going to set the world alight with his scientific insights. Best ignored!

236044 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Dan72, 1, #413 of 1468 🔗


235048 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 34, #414 of 1468 🔗

Brilliant comment on Littlejohn article in Mail;

”Covid is deadly, it killed the flu”

236293 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Major Panic, #415 of 1468 🔗

It kicked it to the curb (US English).

235049 Ross Hendry, replying to Ross Hendry, 24, #416 of 1468 🔗

The US election is as corrupt as it gets. Counts were interrupted in the more Eastern states so that news that Trump was ahead wouldn’t reach those in the Western time zones where the vote was still ongoing, presumably on the reasonable assumption that many people would be more likely to back Trump if they heard he was ahead. That, coupled with officials in swing states illegally refusing access to the Republican party to oversee counts tells you all you need to know.

235776 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ross Hendry, 3, #417 of 1468 🔗

Biden got 80 million votes,15 million votes than Hillary according to some sources.
Yeah, sure.

235059 PaulC, 10, #418 of 1468 🔗

Just leaving to go to the local War Memorial.
Will report back later!

235067 Paul Steward, replying to Paul Steward, 29, #419 of 1468 🔗

Pleased to see the poll about teachers not wanting schools to close. I’m a primary teacher and I don’t know a single colleague who thinks we should shut, we’re all horrified at the thought. The unions are hideous and don’t represent the profession. I left the NEU during the 1st lockdown due to their attitude and have joined an organisation called EDAPT which is non political.

235111 ▶▶ Will, replying to Paul Steward, 5, #420 of 1468 🔗

Good to hear!! I never hear anything positive about teaching unions, the reps sound like a load of Capos drunk on power and bent on bullying and intimidation.

235311 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Paul Steward, 4, #421 of 1468 🔗

Great comment …we should not allow all teachers to be tarred with the teacher union brush. I know a primary teacher who feels the same…she just wants to be allowed to do her job. She doesn’t want to 10% off at Morrisons either!

235069 SundayMorning, replying to SundayMorning, 16, #422 of 1468 🔗


It was the year that Siegfried Sassoon died. I was ten.

While we punted leather footballs on half-holidays

And discovered swear-words and stirred jam like blood

Into our rice-pudding,

The great poet was at home, writing letters in his study

Or strolling round his garden, each flower scented

With summer and with each summer to come,

As they always will.

At home in Wimbledon we knew a Miss Tracy, whose

Husband was killed at Ypres, or on the retreat from Mons,

Or on Passchendaele Ridge, years before she’d had

A chance to meet him.

And I remember my godfather’s watery eye, from a wound

He’d received at Antwerp. And his study, illicitly entered:

His desk inlaid with leather; everything severely

Neat and masculine.

Now the boys at my old school just have history books

With revision points in boxes at the end of each chapter.

Their classrooms fill and empty, fill and empty,

As the terms wear on.

And the pages of their books turn idly in the mind:

The Schlieffen Plan; the Archduke; the main battles;

The movement of the front lines during 1918;

A chapter on Versailles.

Bells ring for tea, evening prep, bedtime, while outside

The night descends on empty playing-fields.

Across the darkness the lights come on in dormitories

And private rooms.

In France, visitors arrive first thing every morning,

As if they were visiting a cathedral.

In the distance a tractor lumbers across a field

And birds rise in the sun.

235140 ▶▶ Julian, replying to SundayMorning, 6, #423 of 1468 🔗

Lovely poem. Who wrote it?

235145 ▶▶▶ SundayMorning, replying to Julian, 7, #424 of 1468 🔗


235289 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to SundayMorning, 8, #425 of 1468 🔗

Well, hats off to you!

235230 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to SundayMorning, 5, #426 of 1468 🔗


235286 ▶▶ LuluJo, replying to SundayMorning, 5, #427 of 1468 🔗

Beautiful and very moving.

235579 ▶▶ Felice, replying to SundayMorning, 6, #428 of 1468 🔗

That brought a lump to my throat.
I’m currently putting together a piece on my father’s life. He died in 1988, aged 65, when I was 33. All I know is that he fought in N Africa and Italy. I’ve put in for his records, but they are taking a long time to come.
When my father died, my mother’s grief was so overwhelming that ours just had to wait until she too had passed away, which she did this summer.
Then like a dam burst, I mourned my father properly for the first time.
My mother always hated talking about the past – no point in looking backwards, she would say. The past is done and buried, look to the future. So we never asked about the past. Never asked what my father did during the war. And no chance to do so now.

235078 PoshPanic, 4, #429 of 1468 🔗

I think this was posted earlier, but worth repeating.


UK Study on Covid risks living with children….there are none

235085 Commander Jameson, replying to Commander Jameson, 17, #430 of 1468 🔗

Them. Them up there. The ones in charge. Woke up one day in a new world. A world where most of the people of the world had worked out that nation fighting nation was a waste of everything. We’d had centuries of that. Achieved nothing. Followed by decades of freedom. Meant that us, the little people, could travel that world, meet those other people, other little people, in real life. Not at the other end of a gun, kill or be killed, not even a Christmas truce football match on a shelled-out bog in Flanders that no one had the first fucking clue why it was worth fighting over. We found out they are just like us in more ways than we imagined. All of them. Those other little people. And different in ways we find interesting. Uplifting, Fun. Exhilirating. Not threatening. And we just weren’t going to do it any more. Couldn’t. They’re our friends and we theirs. We can’t fight them, nor they us. How can you? You can’t head to to the trenches to fire guns at your friends, or fly planes to drop bombs on the people who made you welcome, at home, who you did business with. We know them now. We know better than we did.

That was the day them, them up there, the ones in charge realised they’d lost control. They can’t make us make war against other different people again. Because they aren’t very different. Not enough to kill them. So they realised, them, them up there, the next war they need to make us fight among ourselves. Individually. One to one. Make everyone a threat, a carrier of disease and death. The other little people, all individuals, all of them are your enemy, “Fight them”, they said, them, them up there. “That way you all lose. And us, us up here, we win.”

235156 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Commander Jameson, 9, #431 of 1468 🔗

Great comment.

Identity politics has been pushed because it divides people.

Black vs White

Westerners vs Muslims

Men vs Women

Divide and Rule

It’s the reason that immigration is pushed.

What can be better for a ruling group than to have the ruled fractured along as many different lines of identity as possible?

Just one thing – stop individuals from meeting each other outside the nuclear family.

235088 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 7, #432 of 1468 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxK56magHxE footage of the first Remembrance Sunday in 1919. Despite the recent Spanish flu, no masks, no social distancing. Apparently people at the time didn’t get the hang of solemn remembrance and used the occasion as more a celebration of the year anniversary of the Armistice.

235100 ▶▶ DRW, replying to crimsonpirate, 3, #433 of 1468 🔗

From my understanding of the Spanish flu, things were back to normal by spring 1919.

235456 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to DRW, 3, #434 of 1468 🔗

yes, you are correct. I’m alluding to a general feeling that SD and masks may be with us quite a while after the pandemic is considered to have passed. Hope I’m wrong.

235092 Paul Steward, 14, #435 of 1468 🔗

So sad to see the Cenotaph practically deserted. Only 26 veterans allowed to be present, 26! I bet all the useless politicians will still be there, full of their own self-importance.

235120 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 12, #437 of 1468 🔗

A very strong indication that C-19 is seasonal and all our interventions are useless or at best marginal. This graph from Spain shows the first wave and LD came late and had no effect on the natural progress. The seasonal wave is coming despite everything put in place to “stop” it.Only herd immunity will stop it as always before in the history of respiratory viruses.

“It’s not seasonal! Only restrictions are containing it!! But it was lower when LESS restrictions were active, & it is being higher with more stringent measures So it indeed IS seasonal Restrictions shown no evidence working, maybe the opposite We can’t keep going against LOGIC

235169 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to swedenborg, #438 of 1468 🔗

We can’t keep going against LOGIC

Of course THEY can and are doing it… It the acceptance of >99% of the UMAN CATTLE.

235126 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 10, #439 of 1468 🔗

You won’t have seen or heard this on the BBC, on Sky or ITV or indeed in the MSM more generally…but the Chairman of the Federal Election Commission in the USA, Trey Trainor believes there was voter fraud in the 2020 Presidential election.. You can see the interview on Newsmax.

If ex University Labour Club chair Jon Sopel ever gets round to reporting this he will no doubt attempt to diminish and dismiss the remarks by referring to Trainor as a “Trump loyalust” or similar in true MSM fashion.

235143 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to OKUK, 3, #440 of 1468 🔗

You have to search quite hard to find that. Google ‘Federal Election Commission’ and up pop lots of statements denying fraud.

Big Tech has gone too far to back down. If they do lose in spite of their utterly blatant censorship, antitrust action is coming to them hard.

235197 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Ovis, #441 of 1468 🔗

A link would be good.

235247 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Major Panic, #443 of 1468 🔗


235789 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ovis, 3, #444 of 1468 🔗

Google is not our friend, it is the Enemy.

235228 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to OKUK, 2, #445 of 1468 🔗

Yes the MSM in the US are actively censoring anything that is not pro Biden (or Bidet as someone else on here describes him)

235355 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Victoria, 2, #446 of 1468 🔗

Or Bi(d)den as far as the globalists are concerned.

236295 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to OKUK, #447 of 1468 🔗

Joe yearns to do their bidding.

235127 Sam Vimes, 20, #448 of 1468 🔗

The government guidance for Remembrance Day will turn your stomach (ASD, T&T, no singing etc.). Don’t bother, let me summarise for you: the bastards that are stealing *all* our freedoms don’t want you to honour the people (your relatives, maybe) who fought and died for those freedoms. So get out there and do it this morning.

To the fallen, we salute you.

To those ‘in power’…you are not worth my invective; you are the lowest of the low.
In each case, but for very different reasons, “we will remember them”.

(Bit late but accidentally posted on old page)

235128 Cbird, replying to Cbird, 14, #449 of 1468 🔗

WM Police apologise for misinterpreting the rules on facemasks in Sainsburys:

Link – https://www.west-midlands.police.uk/news/apology-issued-over-misunderstanding-face-mask-exemption-sandwell-store

235152 ▶▶ steph, replying to Cbird, 25, #450 of 1468 🔗

Sorry but this kind of stuff is happening far too often. Apologising after the event when you’ve had a rash of bad publicity is not acceptable. All police forces, supermarkets etc should be issuing the full correct guidance centrally and making it clear there will be consequences if individuals overstep the mark. These little Hitlers are having too much fun and should find the selves on the wrong end of a discrimination suit.

235153 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to steph, 15, #451 of 1468 🔗


235175 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Cbird, 6, #452 of 1468 🔗

On the positive side, that page printed out can and will now serve as an excellent putdown of anyone daring to molest us non-maskers anywhere from now on.

235244 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Cbird, 3, #453 of 1468 🔗

We stated that it was a legal requirement for an exemption card or badge to be shown. This was incorrect and the officers have misinterpreted the guidance.

Sadly the Police apology is incorrect. The officer stated that it was the law to wear a mask even when the man stated that he was exempt and upon further questioning revealed why. At NO stage did the officer state that it was a legal requirement to show an exemption card.

The police then instructed this man to leave the store as he did not have a mask on.

Simon Dolan asked Sainsbury’s to respond as well – nothing as yet. Sainsbury’s is just as complicit as the police. Poor customer treatment!!

235258 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Victoria, 4, #454 of 1468 🔗


These are unprecedented times and we’re all adapting to the new legislation and guidance which has changed many times during the pandemic.

I adapted to it by reading it for a few minutes, that’s why I instantly knew the police in the video were wrong. Why can’t the police do that?

236060 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Victoria, 1, #455 of 1468 🔗

Another good reason to boycott Sainsbury’s!

235134 BTLnewbie, 18, #456 of 1468 🔗

Toby says: “ You know you’re over the target when you start taking flak.” I fear that thought is what fuels Hancock, Whitty and Vallance daily, as their world starts to crumble around them.
On a brighter note, I haven’t, in months, seen so many riders, walkers, cyclists, joggers pass my door, many of them of a distinctly elderly persuasion. It’s like a widespread active, but silent, protest at being locked up again.
Off now to the village War Memorial – I hope and pray that there will be a few there.

235139 calchas, replying to calchas, 13, #457 of 1468 🔗

Let me preface this by saying I fully support Remembrance Day.

Look at the parallels of the present situation to 1914.

‘Three weeks to flatten the curve’ vs ‘It’ll be over by Christmas’

In 1914 just as in 2020, there was a massive propaganda campaign to persuade people – ie all those stories of German troops violating Belgian nuns etc. – totally untrue

..and of course: “we’re all in it together”

Control through fear and emotional manipulation.

235178 ▶▶ TyRade, replying to calchas, 2, #458 of 1468 🔗

‘Remembrance’ is by definition a systemically racist nostalgia for times when manners, responsibility, order and bravery were the norm and so any ‘Day’ of celebration would have been cancelled (or at least corrupted/diluted/insulted) anyway in these ‘progressive’ days where memory of finer things must be wiped clean.

235223 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to calchas, 3, #459 of 1468 🔗

The Sylvia Pankhurst scene from “Oh what a lovely war” shows beautifully how the propaganda of today matches that of the WW1:


235144 AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 14, #461 of 1468 🔗

The Downfall parody is quality. Laugh out loud stuff. Thank you to whoever put it together. You’re a genius.

235713 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 1, #462 of 1468 🔗

yes, I wanted to thank the maker too. It’s marvellous. Gleeful. Ruthlessly clever. Send the link to everyone!

235146 jojo, replying to jojo, 8, #463 of 1468 🔗

Interesting article in the Spectator by Philip Thomas – Professor of Risk Management at the University of Bristol

Is the cost of another lockdown too high?

As per the calculations:
The number of average lives lost from reduced economic output due to lockdowns: 560,000
Average lives lost from COVID in the worst case scenario: 45,000

(‘Average lives lost’ is not the number of people that die, but a calculation based on the expected number of living years lost by each death).

235149 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to jojo, 8, #464 of 1468 🔗

Is it not the case that the ministers of a government introducing such murderous measures are guilty of crimes against humanity?

235790 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Steve Hayes, #465 of 1468 🔗

You betcha!

235155 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to jojo, 2, #466 of 1468 🔗

That calculation has been done many times already, in Germany by Prof. Raffelhueschen.
It’s stunning, butalways ignored.
Old, fat, white mens remaining life years simply count much more than those of any other people, least of all do those of young brown ones living in Africa count, of course.

235203 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to jojo, 2, #467 of 1468 🔗

It’s important to note that Philip Thomas was stating this at the beginning of the first Lockdown

235150 calchas, replying to calchas, 17, #468 of 1468 🔗

I have no patience left for any argument – from any side – that sssumes some kind of pandemic is continuing.

It’s over.

235165 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to calchas, -2, #469 of 1468 🔗

I’m with you… Now it’s just for FUN.

235151 T. Prince, replying to T. Prince, 1, #470 of 1468 🔗
235164 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to T. Prince, -2, #471 of 1468 🔗

That’s not bad at all… In case of “war” they give slaves weapons so the slaves can start killing these home made terrorists first!

235157 Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, 8, #472 of 1468 🔗



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235202 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Voz 0db, 3, #473 of 1468 🔗

Should that not read “Impfungen macht frei”?

235259 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #474 of 1468 🔗

Not enough space! But the UMAN CATTLE loves a good vaccine.

235158 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #475 of 1468 🔗

Isn’t this the real title of the document by Sage?

Positive strategies for adherence to control behaviours

235188 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #476 of 1468 🔗

If you search on this title you get this document: ‘Positive strategies for sustaining adherence to infection control behaviours’.


235345 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Basileus, 2, #477 of 1468 🔗

Chilling reading. Looks to me like they want to change motivations and behaviour long term!

235160 Linda b, replying to Linda b, 24, #478 of 1468 🔗

I cannot find words to describe how disgusting I find the treatment of our Veterans – How dare that yellow bellied coward Boris Johnson treat the very people who gave their lives for this country, who fought for the freedoms he has snatched away. Just how dare this excuse for a man, excuse for a Prime Minister disrespect our Veterans in such a way. For this alone he (and his inept front bench should be hounded out of office.

235221 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Linda b, 6, #479 of 1468 🔗

Yes Johnson brought big shame on this country. Not fit to be PM

235793 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Linda b, #480 of 1468 🔗

Sound the hounds!

235163 Voz 0db, 5, #481 of 1468 🔗

Special MESSAGE from the NHS to Helene Guldberg:

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235167 Marialta, 2, #482 of 1468 🔗

If anyone wants to find out about local marches, do email sorukteam@saveourrights.uk . Write ‘National Action’ in the subject line stating where you live.

235168 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 9, #483 of 1468 🔗

Very surprised to hear Toby Young feels the Covid vaccine will release the burden of Covid. I hope he does another piece explaining that. Medical reports I’ve read suggest it will not help at all.

235179 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Country Mumkin, 8, #484 of 1468 🔗

He’s worried about being labelled an anti-vaxxer.

A while back I read that this vaccine is no better than taking Lemsip. It appears to be unable to prevent infection, but it can lessen the symptoms. Like the flu vaccine It does not help the elderly. The manufacturers are indemnified to the hilt against bad effects. The vaccine is being rushed through and cannot be tested adequately. What’s not to like?

I’m surprised Toby is voting for it when Yeadon says it is unnecessary for COVID-19 which has a 99.7% recovery rate.
What have I got wrong?

235198 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Marialta, 7, #485 of 1468 🔗

It is far too late in the day to be woried about being labelled anything.

An effective vaccination for C-19 is neither possible nor necessary.

235209 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to calchas, 5, #486 of 1468 🔗

Big Tech can take you down, remember,
Especially if you express doubts about vaccination. Toby is constantly under the eye of lefty Tobyphobes who will report him for anything.

235226 ▶▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to OKUK, #487 of 1468 🔗

Oddly, I read “Tobyphobes” as “PollyToynbees”. Need my eyes testing.

235350 ▶▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to OKUK, 3, #488 of 1468 🔗

I understand he may need to play the game a bit…

235216 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #489 of 1468 🔗

I am surprised that he would carry out a ‘simple calculation of personal risk’ and conclude that it is worth having the COVID vaccine.

But to each his own. The most important thing is that we must all be given the opportunity to carry out this calculation for ourselves and our families.

235224 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Country Mumkin, 3, #490 of 1468 🔗

Covid is no more dangerous than the flu – both are respiratory illnesses and the symptoms are very similar. A healthy immune system protects our bodies on a daly basis against the onslaught of viruses, bacteria and other pathogens. In addition, a big proportion of our bodies are viruses, bacteria etc, they keep us alive.

235447 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Victoria, 1, #491 of 1468 🔗

I also believe undiagnosed diabetes might have contributed to covid deaths

235237 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #492 of 1468 🔗

I’ve not read what TY wrote (I come here more for the comments) but it MAY release the burden in so far as it gives cover for the government to declare the pandemic is over, which of course they could have done and can do at any time from late Spring onwards.

235173 NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #493 of 1468 🔗

Just watched Jimmy Stewart’s great performance as the new president-elect making his acceptance speech in the classic “Chalice of Poison”. 230 million thousand people have died of covid apparently. So we’re all ghosts. Have to say that explains a lot

235176 Margaret, 10, #494 of 1468 🔗

Great to see a couple of hundred people gathered around the Cenotaph in our local town. Very little in the way of social distancing and masks.

235177 D B, replying to D B, 19, #495 of 1468 🔗

Been at the cenotaph on Whitehall as advertised, only I wasn’t, because we were fenced into parliament square by the Churchill statue and couldn’t see the proceedings because they’d erected a 7foot fence with a blackout screen all along it – absolutely disgusting treatment of the dead, the mourners and those paying respects. Beautifully observed minutes silence interrupted only by the press cameras clicking away at the crowds of ~500 people or so, barely any of them masked up I’d say maybe less than 10% were wearing face coverings. I walked past 3 police officers in Westminster tube station and not one asked for my “exemption” in fact they were all very polite and wished me a good day.

Gives you hope there is more resistance than it feels sometimes.

235183 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to D B, 8, #496 of 1468 🔗

There were eight of us plus the minister at our local war memorial. No masks. I also heard from two of my contacts who are church ministers that they would be holding their services this morning as normal.

The church can help to show the way out of this if only we learn to ‘obey God rather than men’.

235192 ▶▶▶ dpj, replying to Basileus, 5, #497 of 1468 🔗

It’s encouraging to hear that (assuming you are in England) some churches intending to carry on as normal today.

235241 ▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to dpj, 2, #498 of 1468 🔗

Yes I am in the UK.

235210 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to D B, 9, #499 of 1468 🔗

couldn’t see the proceedings because they’d erected a 7foot fence with a blackout screen all along it

Cannot even start to think which moron have decided to do this and WHY??

235181 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 21, #500 of 1468 🔗

The government national lockdown 2 Guidance on the wearing of face coverings states:

The best available scientific evidence is that, when used correctly, wearing a face covering may reduce the spread of coronavirus droplets in certain circumstances, helping to protect others.

The assertion “The best available scientific evidence” is simply false. But even if the claim were accurate, the making of face coverings mandatory would be completely undermined by the clause “when used correctly”. One has to wonder how it is possible that the experts and government ministers are completely unaware how ordinary people use these masks? Such knowledge would only require a few minutes of observation. People put them in their pockets and bags. They constantly touch them and then touch themselves and other things. They drop them on the floor, pick them up and put them on. They take them off, by the mask, fold it up and put it away and then touch their face. Surely all those clever behavioural scientist people on the SAGE sub-committee knew that the general population would not use face masks “correctly”. One might almost think that the making of face coverings mandatory was intended to increase respiratory illnesses.

235229 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #501 of 1468 🔗

Originally, it was “In certain circumstances, a face covering might provide a small benefit in protecting others”. The ‘certain circumstances’ and the ‘used correctly’ are not defined, of course, because the former is licking, coughing on or spitting on someone, and the latter is impossible to implement in everyday use. Interesting that both texts mention not protecting the wearer, but Joe Public Esq. still thinks it’s a gas mask.

235265 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #502 of 1468 🔗

I do not know what you mean by originally, but before the middle of this year all the health authorities, on the basis of decades of research that showed face masks do not prevent the transmission of respiratory viral infection, recommended against face masks for the general population. The World Health Organisation, for example, only reversed its recommendation on 8 June 2020, and this was done, not on the basis of scientific evidence, but “political lobbying”, as even the BBC reported. Unfortunately, the BBC did not report who did the lobbying. If anyone knows, I would much appreciate their sharing it.

235281 ▶▶▶▶ Tony Prince, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #503 of 1468 🔗

Part of global ‘organization‘

235365 ▶▶▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Tony Prince, 6, #504 of 1468 🔗

One of the founders of this sick and perverted ‘organisation’ is
“A digital activist using her background in digital marketing to campaign for real societal and political change”
Who the f*ck is she speaking on behalf of?! If these parasites want to change society, then they should enter politics and get elected, instead of skulking in the shadows like the bunch of gutless cowards that they so clearly are.

235384 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Tony Prince, 1, #505 of 1468 🔗

I doubt that organisation would have sufficient influence on the World Health Organisation unless it was understood that they were speaking on behalf on much more substantial interests.

235236 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #506 of 1468 🔗

Could the ‘circumstances’ include being on another planet possibly?

235246 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #507 of 1468 🔗

The key word is ‘may’, as in ‘Rubbing dog dirt into your gums may offer some protection against covid.’

235261 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #508 of 1468 🔗

Exactly what is shown on the packet of face masks I looked at in the supermarket yesterday.

These facemasks ‘ may ‘ help in reducing the spread…blah…blah

All bullshit and completely ignored by the people who wear them, might as well instruct people to ware a cape and declare themselves as superman for the good it will do.

I might win the lottery this year. I might have a luck 15 finally pay out.

235349 ▶▶ Arkansas, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #509 of 1468 🔗

It also seems to conflate this…

“reduce the spread of coronavirus droplets in certain circumstances”

…with reducing spread and transmission of viral particles by implying that “coronavirus droplets” are the issue needing tackled, and that the problem ends at that point.

Certainly, a mask may stop “coronavirus droplets” spreading —because those droplets then evaporate from the mask surface or are subject to nebulisation as the wearer forces air through the mask. Those particles then spread. So it’s a lie by omission of context and mechanism; fallacy of composition?

235972 ▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Arkansas, 1, #510 of 1468 🔗

what the hell are “coronavirus droplets”? i’ll tell you – 100% made-up nonsense. that sentence i utterly meaningless – almost certainly intentionally

235805 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #511 of 1468 🔗

Here in Montreal the Transport people have posted cartoon images in bus shelters and all along the train tracks of 18 ways not to wear a mask. They think it’s amusing and cute.Two days ago I saw two Suicide Hot line posters in a dark corner of the station, near the end of the train. I am going to photograph them today. Disgusting.

235962 ▶▶ dommo, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #512 of 1468 🔗

there’s definitely no such thing as “coronavirus droplets” – which therefore totally invalidates the whole sentence – it’s totally meaningless

235182 TyRade, 5, #513 of 1468 🔗

Re Mr Bidet. Is anyone else not reminded of Old Scrotum, the ‘wrinkled retainer’, in Viv Stanshall’s Henry at Rawlinson End? He was a shameless groper, also. And played by a now dead Irish actor, like Mr Bidet in fact.

235185 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 2, #514 of 1468 🔗

During lockdown 1. The Council relaxed two hour parking bays regarding them as normal residents parking because, with everyone expected to stay indoors except for absolute essentials, the idea of several householders emerging every two hours to shuffle their cars around was absurd.

This time the bastards have not and Key Worker Traffic Wardens are out issuing tickets as usual.

Yesterday a chance stranger asked about the status of three bays opposite me as she could see no signs. I know them to be two hour bays but indeed there was no signage.

Whether fallen off or removed by malice or caprice my understanding is that, in the absence of correct signage, the default position is a free for all.

Anyone know any different?

235191 ▶▶ steph, replying to karenovirus, 2, #515 of 1468 🔗

I’m sure that’s correct. Our council periodically come and check lines and signage are visible because they know they can’t issue fines if they are not.

235193 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to karenovirus, 5, #516 of 1468 🔗

There has to be a sign, but it might well mean that the accused has to prove that there was no sign at the time – which is of course the very opposite of the presumption of innocence. This country did not become a totalitarian society on 23 March 2020; it has been in the process of becoming one for decades.

235232 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #517 of 1468 🔗

Now what to do with those pesky signs?

235681 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to karenovirus, 1, #518 of 1468 🔗

I live opposite some parking bays, one of which is blue badge. When the traffic wardens issue tickets, they always take a picture of the signs as well.

235189 microdave, 11, #519 of 1468 🔗

Association between living with children and outcomes from COVID-19: an OpenSAFELY cohort study of 12 million adults in England

This could be big – The study showed no increased risk of transmission between children and adults, when living together. Indeed, there is evidence that adults may actually be safer:

Close contact with children may provide cross-reactive immunity to SARs-CoV-2 due to more frequent prior coryzal infections from seasonal coronaviruses

H/T Hugh Osmond on Twitter

235190 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 3, #520 of 1468 🔗

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8925321/Millions-elderly-vulnerable-free-Vitamin-D-government .
the bit that made me chuckle was- Hancock decided he had to act fast

235215 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to crimsonpirate, 2, #521 of 1468 🔗


However why has this not been NHS policy for the last 50 years? Many scientists, functional medicine doctors, nutritionists and organisations have been saying this forever but was either silenced or censored. The same with many other affordable treatments/solutions.

235443 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Victoria, 1, #522 of 1468 🔗

judging by the empty shelves in Sainsburys word has got round. By contrast strepsils, lemsip and nurofen on discount. Never seen that before

235284 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to crimsonpirate, 2, #523 of 1468 🔗

Wonder if they will repost all the YT videos and other posts that were censored for suggesting that Vit D could help in the fight against the ‘virus’

235194 Ben Shirley, replying to Ben Shirley, 54, #524 of 1468 🔗

Yesterday’s shift on the Sainsbury’s checkouts was less pleasant than it should have been. I was serving a masked man, probably in his 50s, who seemed friendly enough. After him two more customers arrive, a well-dressed woman of around 80 years of age, unmasked, and masked middle-age woman with a large trolley’s worth of shopping.

As the old lady doesn’t have much shopping, she starts helping the other woman with unloading hers. As she’s moving towards the payment end of the conveyor belt, the monotonous peace of of checkout work is interrupted by a sudden shout of “Get back now!” from the masked bandit at the beginning of story.

The old lady is struck dumb for a minute, so Maskman continues with his verbal assault: “You’ve come within two metres of me, you’re not wearing a mask, so get away right now.”

In shock and embarrassment, the woman dutifully complies. As a uniformed employee, I can’t do much besides remind the villain that some people are exempt from wearing masks, to which he replies “Yeah, but anyone could be carrying ‘it’,” and then console the woman and offer her my private sympathies once Maskman had buggered off back to his fortress of bog roll and baked beans.

What kind of a man can possibly feel righteous in shouting at, and making a public spectacle of, a good-natured elderly woman, whose only ‘error’ is a minor infraction of a totally baseless government guideline. What kind of a man?

Regrettably, as we all knew on here anyway, this was the inevitable by-product of making masks mandatory, exacerbated especially by such perverts as Police Commissioner Dick, whose name at least brings a flicker of a schoolboy grin to my face: “My hope is that people who are not complying will be shamed into complying or shamed to leave the store by the store keepers or by other members of the public.”

It’s easy (and quite possibly correct) to paint Maskman as some sort of odious little Hitler figure who works in the arse end of some council department and lives for nothing besides the joy of Schadenfreude . However, he was far removed from his admittedly tiny wits, consumed with a genuine fear of this unmasked person’s presence. He is like the old wife, who, on seeing a mouse scurry across the pantry floor, starts shrieking at it and beating it with a broom; the bigger, stronger figure is sent into a panic by a weaker, harmless and disinterested figure and has no means of response other than violent attack. It’s useless trying to appeal to their sense of reason, because it has been totally suppressed by emotion.

If you have any elderly neighbours, please look out for them throughout this second lockdown.

235208 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Ben Shirley, 18, #525 of 1468 🔗

They are PATHETIC sad individuals who think that they are going to live forever.
Treat them with the contempt they deserve.

235331 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Fingerache Philip., 10, #526 of 1468 🔗

If I had been in that queue I would have given that shit both barrels …and got a lot closer to him than 2 metres!

235212 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Ben Shirley, 11, #527 of 1468 🔗

“I was serving a masked man…” Gotta say, I immediately pictured The Lone Ranger standing at the till!

235250 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Ben Shirley, 11, #528 of 1468 🔗

A coward, bet he wouldnt have done it to a young 6ft+ bloke.

235264 ▶▶ Coronamoana, replying to Ben Shirley, 15, #529 of 1468 🔗

I was absolutely horrified by the Police Commissioner’s comment, which is effectively inciting disorder. I am surprised she has been allowed to continue in her position.

235483 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Coronamoana, 9, #530 of 1468 🔗

Fetida Dick
Makes us all feel sick.
She will not get absolution
For this loathsome persecution.

235705 ▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to annie, 1, #531 of 1468 🔗

Small and perfectly formed. The Faberge egg, if you will, of dissident poetry.

236012 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Coronamoana, #532 of 1468 🔗

Shows she was told to say it.

236128 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ben Shirley, #533 of 1468 🔗

Wonderfully observed and written Ben, thank you.

235196 Awkward Git, 9, #534 of 1468 🔗

Misfeasance in public office may be easier to prove than malfeasance (highlighting mine):

From a legal website:

What is misfeasance defined as in the UK?

A form of misconduct, misfeasance in public office occurs when a public official, public servant or public body knowingly and willingly acts in a manner with the realisation that their actions are likely to cause loss or harm to another.

The action is legal, but is performed in a way that harms another.

Misfeasance is often confused with negligence, whereby an individual does not carry out their role or responsibilities with a correct level of care which results in harm to another.

Negligence generally involves harm to another as a result of carelessness, error or lack of judgement, whereas misfeasance requires a greater degree of culpability on the part of the person concerned, often when the person has intentionally committed an act that would be to the detriment of another and often where there has been an abuse of that person’s power or position of responsibility.

What is a public official?

UK law defines a public official as an individual who is in a position of authority. The individual will hold a judicial, legislative or administrative position, whether this is appointed or elected.

Examples of public officials in the UK include:

1   Members of the police force
2   Members of the armed forces
3   Government ministers
4   Local government officials
5   Civil servants
6   Prison officers
7   Security agencies including immigration and border control

Public officials are also known as public officers. Each case of alleged misfeasance must be assessed individually where public officials are involved. The nature of the officer’s role, their duties and the level of trust – directly or indirectly – placed upon them by the public will all be considered.

Misfeasance and the law:

Those in a position of authority are obliged to use their powers for public good. If these powers are abused by the public official to the detriment of a third party, a case of misfeasance in public office may arise.

Misfeasance in the medical profession may arise if a doctor prescribed the wrong medication to a patient, or alternatively prescribed the wrong dosage of medication, which then caused harm to the patient or left a lasting impact on their health. The doctor has not deliberately set out to harm the patient, but their actions may have resulted in such.

Where there is more deliberate intent, there can naturally be an overlap with these types of offences, whereby sometimes they may amount to specific offence, such as an assault or administering a noxious substance for example.

What factors are needed for a case of misfeasance to be proven?

For a case of misfeasance to be proven and prosecuted, two factors must be present:

1   The misconduct was carried out by a public officer
2 The misconduct resulted in personal injury, financial loss or damage to your reputation

If these factors are determined, the act of misconduct will be investigated to determine:

What the public official did

1   Why they acted in such a way

For the case to be successful and for the offence of misfeasance in public office to be proven, the prosecution in the case must demonstrate that the public official:

1   Intended to cause the damage, loss or injury

2 Had no concern for the third party in respect of the damage, loss or injury

It must be proven that the public officer deliberately acted in contravention of their position of authority.

Misfeasance in public office is an indictable offence which can only be heard in the crown court.

235200 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 10, #535 of 1468 🔗

“Positive strategies for sustaining adherence to infection control behaviours”…

1 Chain the elderly to radiators. POSITIVE ANGLE in government communication: keeping granny warm and safe during the cold, cold winter when wolves run wild and little girls freeze solid trying to sell matches

2 Everyone who adheres to infection control behaviours will receive one gold star (downloadable print-out) to display on clothing for bubble members or in windows for passers-by

3 Everyone who adheres to infection control behaviours will be allowed out for one socially distanced cultural event per month in an appropriate outdoor arena. These family friendly events will combine information films with live enjoyment of the public scathing and humiliation of non-adherers.

235242 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #536 of 1468 🔗

Oh dear! But things are moving so quickly in the Prole Control programme that what sounds bonkers today may well be the norm tomorrow.

235201 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 11, #537 of 1468 🔗

My brother in law, his partner, her daughter, son in law and grandchildren have got Covid.
Now my brother in law is 69, overweight with angina and for a few days he did feel “rough” (shaky legs and stomach pains) but now he feels like he’s got a moderate cold.
His partner (65) and family feel perfectly ok.
Now I have got a real life scenario to report on to fellow sceptics to prove that it’s not a “we’re all going to die” situation.
Not that I’m going to feel a sense of Schadenfreude but he was/is a (low level) collaborator who blamed the spread of the virus on “Mingling”

235205 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Fingerache Philip., 13, #538 of 1468 🔗

Indeed. The ‘we most protect the vulnerable’ narrative must be weeded out.

The Overweight NHS staff that are lounging at home on full pay due to being ‘shielded’ must return to work immediately or No work No pay.

235480 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Victoria, 3, #539 of 1468 🔗

According to my jingle
You get Covid if you mingle,
But an antisocial git
Is wholly safe from it.

235218 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Fingerache Philip., 13, #540 of 1468 🔗

To back this up. My wife had Covid. I am a heart attack survivor, 44 years old and medicated everyday. She was in the same bed as me for days before she was ill and a few days into the symptoms. I NEVER GOT SICK. not one thing. And I was at one point convinced the virus would see me out.

235233 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Leemc23, 2, #541 of 1468 🔗

I heard (or read?) yesterday that people living in the same household as a ”sufferer” have only a 15 per cent chance of contracting it, no matter WHAT precautions are taken.

235301 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Leemc23, 2, #542 of 1468 🔗

Be proud.

235245 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #543 of 1468 🔗

How do you know they have covid?

I get that they have ‘tested positive’.

I get that your brother-in-law has these symptoms.


Many who test ‘positive’ do not have these symptoms.


Many with them same symptoms have not tesed ‘positive’


how do we know that one caused the other?

235303 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to calchas, #544 of 1468 🔗

Yes, tested positive.

235204 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 13, #545 of 1468 🔗

Just back from the village war memorial up the road. Fair turn out, not as many as normal, but certainly not scarce. Several masks and sadly, a few with mask and poppy; wearing a symbol of freedom and a symbol of surrender at the same time. Young serviceman wearing red beret and mask. Angry, but it’s not about me.

Last post and Reveille were recorded, as bugles are deadly, of course. Generally succesful event, and certainly no interruption or police overreach.

Saddest part, though was the chap making the announcements asking at the beginning for us to socially distance and wear masks “ Because we can’t honour the fallen if we don’t follow orders, like they followed orders, even though many never came back …”

Stupid, stupid thing to say, but he’s an old soldier, and a local one at that (Lancs Fusiliers), so I bit my lip. Had it been any other cause I would have walked away.

Main thing is an act of remembrance took place without let or hindrance.

235254 ▶▶ Coronamoana, replying to Sam Vimes, 5, #546 of 1468 🔗

I saw a friend yesterday and asked her if she knew anyone who had had it and she replied her uncle in law. He is in his 70s with COPD and ended up in hospital, although he has now recovered. His wife also had it and has also recovered.

A friend of mine also tested positive and her symptom was a headache.

What to make of it all?

235257 ▶▶▶ Coronamoana, replying to Coronamoana, 1, #547 of 1468 🔗

Sorry. This should have been a reply to the previous post. My screen refreshed while I was in the process.

235473 ▶▶ annie, replying to Sam Vimes, 4, #548 of 1468 🔗

They followed orders.
So did the people who ran the Nazi death camps.

235206 Hoppy Uniatz, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 30, #549 of 1468 🔗

So, I have just got back from Westminster. More police than the closing scenes of Day of the Jackal, half of Whitehall closed off with “Manchester University” style fencing, backed with blackout material to a height of about 7ft. Because as everyone knows, even watching a Remembrance Day service from a distance these days is enough to give you a deadly dose of Covid. Beyond this barrier, the military strains of Nimrod, O Valiant Hearts etc could faintly be heard.

Nevertheless, as the hour drew towards eleven o’clock, Parliament Square filled up with a large crowd of people of all ages and backgrounds, but certainly including some ex-servicemen, who on the stroke of 11 all stood in the sunlight and faced in the direction of the Cenotaph with an immense, poignant dignity.

I don’t expect to see any of this on the BBC mind you, I expect they will have a heartwarming feature about some woman anxious to tell them how she’s standing on her doorstep observing a 2 minute silence for Our NHS Heroes this year.

235225 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 13, #550 of 1468 🔗

How appallingly spiteful and unnecessary, blacking out the barriers. This oppression is moving so fast it’s hard to keep up and try to anticipate what else will be inflicted upon us.

235207 Andy C, replying to Andy C, 24, #551 of 1468 🔗

I drove my grandpa to the village war memorial. Other people turned up, too. If Handcock’s goons want to fine me for it, so be it.

235219 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Andy C, 13, #552 of 1468 🔗

Well done.
I do hope that people will do the same on the day itself, 11 November, next Wednesday. We’re going to have our own Service of Remembrance at the cenotaph in our churchyard. My other half will wear medals and we’re going to sing, just the two of us.

The church remains firmly locked, probably for the first time in its 900 year history. Shameful. Absolutely shameful.

235471 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Banjones, 2, #553 of 1468 🔗

The last time churches in England and Wales were locked was during the reign of King John, when Pope Innocent III put the country under interdict for political reasons.
Even so, as my favourite history book reminds me, people were still allowed to be born or marry or die, even if it was only in church porches.

235213 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 7, #554 of 1468 🔗

”….thankfully Biden won by a whisker..”
Not yet he hasn’t, apparently.

235344 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Banjones, 1, #555 of 1468 🔗

Whizz scam?

235214 wendy, replying to wendy, 43, #556 of 1468 🔗

Well I have just got back from our local memorial service, outside in front of a cenotaph. There were more people there than in previous years. A minister lead a service. He was elderly and shaking. Later when we went to speak to him he said he had a panic attack as he feared the police might arrest him to make an example but he said it was the best thing he has ever done. There were old soldiers there in uniform and flags and bugle player.

Many people were crying all the way through it as it was so emotional and powerful. One of the old soldiers thanked the crowed for coming and was in tears. The crowd were friendly and talkative and supportive to each other. Perhaps 30 percent masked.

That is my first act of defiance today. My second is the protest in Manchester. I’ll report back to you all later.

235243 ▶▶ Jane G, replying to wendy, 10, #557 of 1468 🔗

There were about 2 dozen at our memorial, including a few veterans and the Mayor and a couple of councillors. No service as such – just the 2 minute silence and the prescribed words. No clergy.
I went and stood beside an old man I often sit near in church; he told me he had gone into church earlier and saw the rector, a reader and the organist present. He wanted to say a few prayers but the officials sent a female dogsbody to ask him to leave, which he did. I’m so upset I can hardly bear it.

235249 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Jane G, 11, #558 of 1468 🔗

The clergy seem to be conspicuous by their absence in all this madness.
We shall go ahead with our own ‘service’ on Wednesday. Perhaps that’ll flush the vicar out of his basement.

235275 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to wendy, 2, #559 of 1468 🔗

Wendy, If you get a chance, mention to your elderly minister the Martyrdom of Polycarp. At the age of 86 he was burnt at the stake in 153 or 154 AD in Smyrna. So your elderly minister is in very good company. I can send him the original Greek and my translation if he wants.

235287 ▶▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Stephanos, 2, #560 of 1468 🔗

Of course, he might know the story already!

235462 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Stephanos, 2, #561 of 1468 🔗

It’s never too late … especially when it dawns on you that your name is Polycarp.

235556 ▶▶ Felice, replying to wendy, 2, #562 of 1468 🔗

Check the memorial now to see if the wreaths are still there. From a post above, it is likely that Environmental Health have removed them for burning, and all the tags taken to issue fixed penalty notices to the organisers.

235220 Les Tricoteuses, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 13, #563 of 1468 🔗

I have just returned from my village war memorial where I can report there were about 45 people paying their respects and the vicar said a short prayer afterwards. Standing watching us was a lone masked high viz clad policeman!
I live in a rural village of approximately 3000, are the police doing this everywhere?

235231 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 8, #564 of 1468 🔗

In just back from our village memorial. About 60 in attendance. Some masked some not. Disappointingly local GP was masked despite being outside and “socially distracted”. Plod was there but in dress uniform and no mask to lay wreath.

235260 ▶▶ Dan72, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 6, #565 of 1468 🔗

About 40 at our service in a tiny village. No masks. Socially distanced during the service but everyone stopping to chat with one another afterwards

235269 ▶▶▶ Sara, replying to Dan72, 3, #566 of 1468 🔗

Sadly those who were actually in the church grounds, had masks on, including some of the children. It reminded me that I really needed to pray for freedom for the children!

235262 ▶▶ Cedric the dragon, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 2, #567 of 1468 🔗

We are just back from our Act of Remembrance at the war memorial in the churchyard. Mr. Cedric led and 21 of us sang “O Valiant Hearts”, laid wreaths, and kept 2 minutes silence as every year. The weather was mist and drizzle so we were pleased with the turnout from our village of 250, plus one lady from an adjacent village whose great uncle is commemorated on the war memorial. No constabulary in evidence but there never are, one or two people brought masks but didn’t wear them. Socialising afterwards too!

235268 ▶▶ Sara, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 1, #568 of 1468 🔗

Police at my local church/ war memorial. I like to think that they wanted to pay their respects too.

235279 ▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Sara, 1, #569 of 1468 🔗

Yes, I’d like to think that too. But why the big black mask and all the hi viz stuff. Made me feel on edge.

235554 ▶▶ Felice, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 1, #570 of 1468 🔗

Check the memorial now to see if the wreaths are still there. From a post above, it is likely that Environmental Health have removed them for burning, and all the tags taken to issue fixed penalty notices to the organisers.

235234 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 6, #571 of 1468 🔗

A day that will live in infamy

235457 ▶▶ annie, replying to Cecil B, 1, #572 of 1468 🔗

Infamy is getting a bit congested!

235235 Basics, replying to Basics, 3, #573 of 1468 🔗

Bingham looks so wholesome bathed in soft sunlight with green foliage bokh blurred into a subtle blend of leaf and sunlight. She’s even have a make over from her crew cut image of just a week or two ago. Glasses off – interesting since she needs them. Also interesting to see it’s a like for like duplication of ‘Fergusson the Angel’ image we had shoved at us in the early days – glasses are part of his image. The two photos maybe even be taken with the same lens – both images are doing the same job – polishing a turd. That’s not my irrevent take on it, the PR consultants use such phrase as they commitee up their strategy. Result another boring holier than thou image of a slime bucket.

235317 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Basics, 3, #574 of 1468 🔗

Basics. I looked at the Sunday Times article and did a bit of digging on Admiral PR & Marketing, with whom the Hon Kate has been spending much public money. Companies House lists 2 directors of the company – assume husband and wife – called Collingwood-Cameron. Now, what is very interesting is that Mr (Angus) Collingwood-Cameron is from Northumberland. If you look closely, he would appear to have a link to Chillingham, a place where none other than Mary Wakefield, aka Mrs Dominic Cummings, has a not insignificant link. Wonder whether anyone might like to follow that up?

235319 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #575 of 1468 🔗

Inspector TT well done with the investigation; always is a chum

235460 ▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #576 of 1468 🔗

Email your findings to Toby if you’ve not already done so.

235240 Jo, replying to Jo, 36, #577 of 1468 🔗

I have just returned from my village war memorial. I was only expecting a few people, so was really pleased to see about 50, including a local veteran who is now a serving police officer in the met. I had arranged for our local celeb to read the poem, but the veteran did this, and the celeb did a speech. It went fantastically well, several wreaths were laid and we had a good chat afterwards. Lots of passing traffic slowed down. Clergy notable by their absence – probably because they were doing there ersatz services on zoom.
So glad to have been there, and secretly a bit chuffed and smug to have sorted out the speech – just a huge bonus to have a serviceman, replete with medals, turn up and agree to participate.

235553 ▶▶ Felice, replying to Jo, 1, #578 of 1468 🔗

Check the memorial now to see if the wreaths are still there. From a post above, it is likely that Environmental Health have removed them for burning, and all the tags taken to issue fixed penalty notices to the organisers.

235568 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Felice, 3, #579 of 1468 🔗

My partner just went to check – they are still there. Wonder if they will be there tomorrow. I don’t think names were on the wreaths, but all people need to do is refuse the penalty notice and opt to go to court. When courts eventually get around to dealing with cases (not likely, as CPS unlikely to proceed with cases as not in public interest) how likely is it that they will issue a fine for laying the wreath? The “infection” angle is so stupid – who is going to touch a wreath anyway? except environmental health!

235251 cloud6, replying to cloud6, 14, #580 of 1468 🔗

So Sage wants to cancel Christmas, well they haven’t got a cats chance in hell here, we have already started the festivities, decorations are up, visiting friends (some mask ones excluded). Our plan is to have in effect two Christmases, one on the 25 November and one on 25 December, fully commercial, the works….

So go and stuff your sage and onion stuffing SAGE.

235283 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to cloud6, 2, #581 of 1468 🔗

Dried sage is a greatly overrated herb. It overwhelms everything it touches. Tarragon is the best herb for white meats and fish. Tarragon means “dragon herb”. An appropriate choice as we finally rise against the Norman St. George, who killed our ancestor. The white dragon of England and the Red dragon of Wales. An unstoppable force.

235587 ▶▶▶ TT, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #582 of 1468 🔗

Sage burning rituals are great for cleansing evil spirits though.

235382 ▶▶ DRW, replying to cloud6, 2, #583 of 1468 🔗

One of their goons seriously thinks we should move Christmas to Summer.
Says it all really.

235255 Gillian, replying to Gillian, 10, #584 of 1468 🔗

Just watched the Cenotaph ceremony on the BBC, one of the few things the Beeb still do well. David Dimbleby’s commentary sets the right tone. Queen watching from balcony. All her children with the exception of Prince Andrew laid wreaths. Prince Harry also absent, not surprisingly as he has rejected his royal heritage. I know that Andrew is now persona non grata, but it does seem strange that he is the only one of his royal generation to have seen active service (Falklands conflict) and yet he is excluded from the nation’s act of remembrance. Boris Johnson looking the total idiot that he is, poorly groomed as usual, not quite as bad as Michael Foot in a donkey jacket all those years ago but not far off. John Major, David Cameron and Theresa May all looking statesman/woman-like. Tony Blair present but I didn’t get a look at him. Not sure if Gordon Brown present. The march-past by veterans, always impressive and moving,cancelled,

235316 ▶▶ kf99, replying to Gillian, 3, #585 of 1468 🔗

Yes it was better than expected. Could do without Blackford in a kilt though.

235614 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to kf99, #586 of 1468 🔗

I was feeling moved and tearful till I read that then, lol.

235266 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #587 of 1468 🔗

Anyone know why the barriers at Westminster were blacked out?

235294 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #588 of 1468 🔗


235267 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 6, #589 of 1468 🔗

Boris Johnson congratulating Biden on ‘winning’ the US election…. Biden hasn’t won as you well know


235302 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Victoria, 7, #590 of 1468 🔗

Biden hates Britain. The Dems hate Brexit and Britain and Boris.

235323 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to OKUK, 5, #591 of 1468 🔗

Yes, it continually amazes me how our MSM cheers for the Dreadful Dems. As you say, they’ll be no friend to the UK, and I foresee blackmail re Brexit as they are pro-EU.

235270 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 4, #592 of 1468 🔗

Lest we forget how much you have done to destroy it …. Keir Starmer


235299 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Victoria, 2, #593 of 1468 🔗

And we will remember those who sacrificed so much of our freedom.

235356 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Victoria, 1, #594 of 1468 🔗

He and others like him are the reason I no longer wear a poppy.

235538 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 3, #595 of 1468 🔗

The thought that organisations such as the BBC are such poppyists but undermine our borders and our culture while seeking to trash our history, eradicate our memories and sign us up to an Orwellian future should give pause for thought. ,

235271 PaulC, replying to PaulC, 17, #596 of 1468 🔗

Likewise just back from local War Memorial. Seemed very quiet and then about 200 people had appeared by 11. No clergy! Very moving, lots of tears. After two minute silence a veteran stepped forward and planted a wooden cross. He was shaking. Quite a few police but no arrests!

235552 ▶▶ Felice, replying to PaulC, 1, #597 of 1468 🔗

Check the memorial now to see if the wreaths are still there. From a post above, it is likely that Environmental Health have removed them for burning, and all the tags taken to issue fixed penalty notices to the organisers.

235272 NickR, replying to NickR, 5, #598 of 1468 🔗

It’s one think gassing 20 million mink, just imagine what’s going to happen when the 1st cat to human (we’ve had human to cat) or dog to human infection takes place. Oh well, no more dog poo bags lobbed over our wall…. every cloud!

235305 ▶▶ Roadrash, replying to NickR, 3, #599 of 1468 🔗

Never mind that wait until it appears in the food chain. We eat too much meat according to the Great Reset Agenda don’t we. You think Foot and Mouth culling was bad? This will be off the scale.

235313 ▶▶▶ right2question, replying to Roadrash, 4, #600 of 1468 🔗

foot and mouth also very largely a false flag ferguson modelling very few of the culled animals were infected

235274 Chess nut, replying to Chess nut, 14, #601 of 1468 🔗

Wandered down to local war memorial (Southport). Not as many as usual but around 80+. Military Police in attendance (they are nearby in Pontins for the testing Liverpool). Damien Moore the MP (Con) looked uncomfortable. Actually he looked scared. Constantly looking around. At this moment i realised we DO have a chance of winning this. These people are weak and they are cowards. And they are expecting people to snap and take direct action. It is only a matter of time.

235549 ▶▶ Felice, replying to Chess nut, 4, #602 of 1468 🔗

Check the memorial now to see if the wreaths are still there. From a post above, it is likely that Environmental Health have removed them for burning, and all the tags taken to issue fixed penalty notices to the organisers.

236026 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Chess nut, #603 of 1468 🔗

Moore never answers my e mails, and the army are welcome to Pontins.

235276 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 15, #604 of 1468 🔗

Report from Telford Town Park memorial. I counted 60-70 well-spaced individuals (including a few dogs and small children) present. A few veterans identifiable from their dress, a few more from their bearing. No clergy or officials and no form of service or organisation. Just a spontaneous gathering Somebody played the last post from their phone at 11 and everyone dispersed 2 minutes later.

A few hundred feet away the Asda carpark was absolutely heaving. Glad I went, but feeling pretty low about the attitudes and priorities of many of my fellow citizens.

235452 ▶▶ annie, replying to Charlie Blue, 7, #605 of 1468 🔗

No clergy.
What a surprise.
I mean, it isn’t as if Christianity has anything to do with life, or death, or self-sacrifice, or saving the world from evil.

235280 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 4, #606 of 1468 🔗

The man in charge of Biden’s Covid team
“Vivek Murthy Dad, Husband, 19th Surgeon General of the United States, Author of NYT Best Seller TOGETHER: The Healing Power of Human Connection in a Sometimes Lonely World
 https://twitter.com/vivek_murthy/status/1294751324232470528 3 key points on masks and C-19 1. Masks are low cost life savers. 2. We need universal mask mandates. Waiting for an outbreak to mask up is acting too late. 3. Our government should be making billions of good quality masks for the PUBLIC. They are a best buy

235290 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to swedenborg, 5, #607 of 1468 🔗

Depressing, too many see this as a nice earner

235282 Victoria, 3, #608 of 1468 🔗

This old person is fighting along with the rest of you – no mask, no distance, no lockdown I never have and I never will.

This ‘protection’ thing is a cynical excuse for Government tyranny by those who NEVER cared for old people .


235285 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 2, #609 of 1468 🔗

Just glimpsed this number in an article


Is it the amount the Chancellor has borrowed?

235321 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Richard Pinch, #611 of 1468 🔗

I always wanted a Kuwahara ET.. the art directors inc. Spielberg specifically asked for that red and white colourway…

235307 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Cecil B, 1, #612 of 1468 🔗

It’s Biden’s projected borrowing. Idea is that if you can make the figure meaningless enough it ceases to exist

236308 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Cecil B, #613 of 1468 🔗

Looks like $76 Quadrillion to me.

235292 leggy, 7, #614 of 1468 🔗

Just I and one other at my local memorial. Couldn’t even get a peep out of the other attendee who scuttled straight off, but at least the silence was observed.

235296 Basics, replying to Basics, 32, #615 of 1468 🔗

Saturday 7th November

12.30 – At a rally in Stroud, Glos UK Jonathan Trapman read the Common Law Right to Conscience in the face of a multitude of Police Officers intent on arrest. This reading of what has been dubbed the Common Law Miranda rights, put the police on notice that any interference, harm, injury or attempted arrest under illegal diktats not of the Common Law would invoke arrest of each officer.

The Police stood down and retreated. The first public evidence of the Common Law properly executed in situ. Arrests were however made of the organiser and several others. Those responsible for such arrests will be criminally prosecuted under the Common Law.


235298 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Basics, 5, #616 of 1468 🔗


235309 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Basics, 2, #617 of 1468 🔗

Good stuff. Please let us know the outcome.

235347 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Basics, #618 of 1468 🔗

Hi Basics, are you able to confirm accuracy of the report?

235297 Dariusz, 1, #619 of 1468 🔗

We Will Rock You! (Pandemic edition) – https://youtu.be/kbaYFHoaii4

235304 Rosie, replying to Rosie, 12, #620 of 1468 🔗

My report from this morning’s venture.

Nobody from my street joined my invitation to join me at the local war memorial;

Generally congenial atmosphere out with little distancing/masks/paranoia;

Flower seller: the little children, their terrible lives for the next 50 years, and it’s our fault. Especially mentioned debt;

Random person visiting grandparents’ graves: We voted them in so we have to do what they say. Thinks this is super dangerous – no they didn’t lock down for Spanish flu – yes this is less dangerous than Spanish flu – we have to do what we have to do (ie lock down);

Young couple in the military: ‘Of course we’ll win. – the military support the labs and the government and the NHS and the vaccination program’.

235308 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Rosie, 1, #621 of 1468 🔗

Oh dear. How on earth do you counter those ideas??
The flower lady has my vote for PM.

235341 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to CGL, 2, #622 of 1468 🔗

Yes, I came home with a heavy heart, especially in the light of that school which has invited the military in for their vaccinations, with what? This is happening tomorrow, right?

235362 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Rosie, 4, #623 of 1468 🔗


Mrs S:
If people want to actually do something useful please email the head of the Liverpool school that is proposing to have the army test pupils for coronavirus without parental consent.
The people carrying out these unethical and illegal actions have names and (email) addresses and we need to advise them.
Non medically qualified squaddies shoving stuff up the nose of kids without informed consent is assault. Law and medical ethics do not get thrown out of the window because covid.
Please send a short, polite email to the head. It might make her stop and think whether she could be liable.


Reply to Mrs S
This is a potential minefield as it covers three different age groups.
The youngest age but largest group are 11-15 year olds
The middle group are 16/17 year olds
The oldest group are the few 18 year olds in the final year.
Starting with the smallest group, as these are adults they don’t need any involvement of their parents and can consent/decline as they wish.
The middle group are deemed to have capacity and can consent if they wish, this cannot be overruled by their parents. https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/consent-to-treatment/children/ .
It is the youngest group that causes the biggest headache. Under the mental capacity act they are deemed NOT to have capacity to consent/decline. The next step has to be undertaken on an individual basis. Each child has to be assessed as to whether they are “Gillick” competent. This involves ensuring that they understand the procedure, able to retain the information and understand the risks. If the answer to all of these questions is yes then they can consent or decline, however this could be overruled by a person with parental responsibility.
If the answer to any question is no then a person with parental responsibility MUST be asked.
The government has said a parent, carer or legal guardian would have to be present for a Covid-19 test to take place under the powers given to Public Health England in the Coronavirus Act. It adds that the act doesn’t give the authorities the power to detain a child for 14 days without their parents’ knowledge or permission and that it’s most likely that a child would be asked to self-isolate for 14 days at home with their family if they did not voluntarily comply with public health advice, but if this is not possible, other avenues would be discussed. From https://fullfact.org/online/children-coronavirus-act/



235377 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Rosie, 1, #624 of 1468 🔗

I’d like to know what’s being done about this by the professionals. Letters need to the MP and Local Authority, Ofsted, Daily Mail etc etc

Just emailed this outfit. https://ukhumanrightsblog.com/

235310 CGL, 17, #625 of 1468 🔗

A small crowd at our War Memorial. About 10% of the number that came out for George Flloyd is my guess – sick really.
All quiet – way too many police for my liking – just lurking around everywhere. Not necessarily unfriendly, but not required. Unmasked happily though.
A few masks in the crowd, but more naked faced.

235314 DressageRider, replying to DressageRider, 11, #626 of 1468 🔗

Bacon shortages loom as road hauliers are not allowed into Britain if they have been in Denmark. Denmark is the largest exporter of pork products into the UK. More on that from the BBC:


This is a slippery road to food shortages in general.

235318 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to DressageRider, 4, #627 of 1468 🔗

Plenty of good British pork – at the moment. Let’s hope they can step up their production.

235422 ▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Banjones, 3, #628 of 1468 🔗

Must buy more Lincolnshire sausages from local butcher. They have shops and supply the restaurant trade but have switched more to retail, even opening a deli.

235322 ▶▶ Tiberius, replying to DressageRider, 5, #629 of 1468 🔗

That’ll energize the panic-buying fraternity. Queues coming to a Co-op near you now.

235529 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to DressageRider, 4, #630 of 1468 🔗

Many British pigs will be reading this with a certain trepidation.

235603 ▶▶ Miss Owl, replying to DressageRider, 1, #631 of 1468 🔗

Stopped eating Danish bacon a long time ago. They’re horrid to their pigs, unless you buy free range organic, and if you’re going to do that, why wouldn’t you go for British pork?

235320 CGL, replying to CGL, 4, #632 of 1468 🔗

For the benefit of my BBC adoring FIL – is it true that they have signed something to say that they won’t go against the narrative? If so, can it be found anywhere? I’m guessing prob not, but worth an ask. He has just told us that if he goes into a home, he doesn’t want us to visit in case he gives it to us FFS. Like we give a shit whether we get it or not! Still convinced it’s that deadly!!! I used to think he was intelligent.

235357 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to CGL, 8, #633 of 1468 🔗

Ofcom released guidance and a warning for broadcasters to stick to the message. Eammon Holmes cam out and said as much on a GMB episode at the beginning

235726 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #634 of 1468 🔗

That’s right – I remember him getting in a spot of bother about that now – thank you.

235325 right2question, replying to right2question, 10, #635 of 1468 🔗

the lockdown should not be able to stand given that the data on which it was based was totally untrue. apart from the fact that no government should ever have the power to remove our freedoms like this

235332 ▶▶ dpj, replying to right2question, 6, #636 of 1468 🔗

This is exactly the point the opposition party should be making, shame we no longer have one!

235326 DressageRider, replying to DressageRider, 6, #637 of 1468 🔗

Just spotted this, new rules needed to fight climate change in the UK, everyone to play their part; brace, brace brace:


235338 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to DressageRider, 8, #638 of 1468 🔗

Yep, people getting bored of corona-porn, so out comes the climate change porn instead
Fight it all every step of the way

235401 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to DressageRider, -1, #639 of 1468 🔗

I saw a post online a year or so ago, there was a report that est. the carbon emissions caused by the mass migration of large numbers of people, generally of course the direction of travel is from Africa & the Middle East, to Europe. Can’t remember all the specifics but it est. the increases in total CO2 emissions as being in the hundreds of thousands of tonnes of CO2, not just in the mass movement of people, but also other factors (changes in consumption, etc). Suggests the best thing people can do to save the planet is to campaign for reductions in mass migration – enforce the borders! block the ports. block the beaches; save the planet!!

235434 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to DressageRider, 1, #640 of 1468 🔗

Another irrational scare based on dodgy models. What could possibly go wrong …

235441 ▶▶ LS99, replying to DressageRider, 3, #641 of 1468 🔗

Climate is changing though but NOT as a result of Co2, according to a really interesting thing I watched on last week-ends Alternative View livestream, the solar minimum will change the climate. The speakers showed some really interesting slides showing that Northern Africa is destined to be the breadbasket of the world and how they are building dams to create water and electricity to accommodate it. To be brief, food shortages are largely about supply chains at the moment but will be very real in the future and we should all be growing some food in our back gardens. UK weather likely to get wetter and windier so longer term might need a polytonal but food will be used to control people. I’m not sure the link is available to purchase yet but the title was “Covid-19 is nothing but a mask … for a multi century crop loss cycle! “The speaker was David Dubyne.


Sorry to be the bearer of yet more stuff to worry about but I’m someone who likes to open Pandora’s Box right up and know what I’m dealing with.

235597 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to DressageRider, 1, #642 of 1468 🔗

I think the behavioural scientists will have a much harder time getting people on board with this. It’s quite hard to ramp up the ‘personal threat’ with it.

235327 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 1, #643 of 1468 🔗

How’s this for doom mongering. I think he gets the prize. Form the Guardian:

Third world war a risk in wake of pandemic, says UK defence chief

PA: The economic fallout during the coronavirus pandemic has made the prospect of a third world war “a risk”, the UK’s most senior military commander has said.

General Sir Nick Carter, the chief of the defence staff made the comments when asked by Sky News in the run-up to Remembrance Sunday whether he feared the global economic crisis brought on by coronavirus could lead to war.

He told the Sophy Ridge on Sunday programme there was a worry that the increase in regional conflicts playing out across the world could ramp up into “a full-blown war”, mirroring the run-up to the two world wars in the 20th century when a series of alliances between countries led to years of bloodshed.

The senior official argued that, with the world being “a very uncertain and anxious place” during the pandemic, there was the possibility “you could see escalation lead to miscalculation”.

“We have to remember that history might not repeat itself but it has a rhythm and if you look back at the last century, before both world wars, I think it was unarguable that there was escalation which led to the miscalculation which ultimately led to war at a scale we would hopefully never see again,” said Carter.

Asked whether he was saying there was a “real threat” of a third world war, he replied: “I’m saying it’s a risk and we need to be conscious of those risks

235334 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Tenchy, 5, #644 of 1468 🔗

I am saying there is a risk of a massive asteroid colliding with the planet that will destroy our species and many others.

235449 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #645 of 1468 🔗

And the Man in the Moon is planning an. invasion of earth using space ships made of green cheese. Be afraid.

(No need to fear a world war, BTW. You just lock down all the combatants.)

235717 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #646 of 1468 🔗

That one will happen without a doubt. It’s just a question of when.

235346 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Tenchy, 8, #647 of 1468 🔗

I don’t think it’s doom laden.The main driver of the First World War was the economic rise of Germany.Mirrored by China today.You had the declining Hegemon the British Empire mirrored by the USA.Who knows what conflicts may arise from the economic devastation caused by the virus response and how these superpowers react.

235348 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Tenchy, 1, #648 of 1468 🔗

Headline WW3 now a ‘real risk’ due to economic damage caused by Covid Lockdowns

235351 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Victoria, 9, #649 of 1468 🔗

What is his underlying meaning, do you think? Is this a threat, promise or warning?

235570 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Rosie, 1, #650 of 1468 🔗

Isn’t war always the way out of economic depressions?

235427 ▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Victoria, 3, #651 of 1468 🔗

Keep an eye on the South China Sea / Taiwan.

235506 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Victoria, 5, #652 of 1468 🔗

WWIII started back in March when the Governments of the world declared war on their citizens. The citizens peacefully surrendered but the war continues.

235368 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Tenchy, 4, #653 of 1468 🔗

I think it’s correct. There’s massive air exercises all over the country since the summer.

We’ve been led here of course, but I sense it’s on the horizon.

Have absolutely NO idea what to do about it though…. any ideas?

235379 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Country Mumkin, 5, #654 of 1468 🔗

On the one hand, stay in close contact with friends and family.

On the other hand, as I have been urging, work all day at something useful, doesn’t matter what.

235446 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #655 of 1468 🔗

I have been paying attention to aircraft and what they are doing. It’s an interest of mine. I haven’t seen anything much going really, a few things to note but nothing unusual. There were a pair of Typhoons doing some strange flight patterns going east to west over the Scottish borders and the other one going over central southern UK a few months ago.

If anything the skies have been really quiet, unusually so all through the SCAMDEMIC.

235392 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Tenchy, 7, #656 of 1468 🔗

It reads like someone calling for a bigger budget.

235328 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 40, #657 of 1468 🔗

Just a thought, but is wearing a poppy and face mask together a contradiction in terms. One being a symbol of sacrifice and freedom, whilst the other a symbol of suppression and conformance.

235339 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Smelly Melly, 14, #658 of 1468 🔗

Yes, These people should be ashamed of themselves

235400 ▶▶▶ Humanity First, replying to Victoria, 4, #659 of 1468 🔗

They won’t because they don’t have any shame…or ethics…or humanity

Which is why ‘they’ are in the positions they are in…

And we are in the situation we are in

You will read in many business books that if you (as a normal, functioning human being) are unlucky as an employee to have a boss who is a ‘psychopath’…

Then it is useless trying to get on his ‘good’ side by working harder, trying to convince him of your sincerity and loyalty…none of these things matter to him or will help you

The advice is to get out of the situation as soon as you can by transferring to a new department or find a job a different company.

People need to understand that psychopaths don’t change their minds or behaviour if presented with the truth, the facts or under the threat of being shamed.

235342 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Smelly Melly, 16, #660 of 1468 🔗

And, even worse, wearing a bloody face-mask with poppies on, as I saw yesterday.

235361 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Smelly Melly, 5, #661 of 1468 🔗

Lots of naivety around. I don’t know how we work through it.

235364 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Smelly Melly, 5, #662 of 1468 🔗

One house round here even has both an “Every Poppy Counts” and a leftover “Thank You NHS” sign in the same window. Trying to covering both virtue-signalling ends?

236069 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Smelly Melly, #663 of 1468 🔗

Saw two women today wearing muzzles with red poppy prints.

Jesus wept.

235329 Maeve, replying to Maeve, 4, #664 of 1468 🔗

Is the NHS’s Lack of Capacity a Manpower Problem?

I think your reader may be right!

In addition to NHS workers considered high risk being allowed to stay at home, a significant number are on leave / off sick due to stress and trauma from their experiences during the first wave. This has particularly affected ICU staff. An overall shortage of staff would also explain why the Nightingale Hospitals have mostly gone unused.

It has also crossed my mind that encouraging people to stay at home (the location where most transmissions occur) and banning most sports (even those with little risk of transmission), reduces the number of injuries that would require hospital treatment. Lockdown = fewer admissions. “Stay safe!”

235360 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Maeve, 5, #665 of 1468 🔗

My GP friend is petrified to be asked to run an ICU. Says she has no skills at all. It hadn’t crossed her mind to up skills and or confront her fears it appears.

Instead she wants to wreck the country for future generations. To cut her slack, she doesn’t know she’s doing that. She just keeps talking about being able to rebuild an economy but you can’t get someone’s life back.

235445 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Country Mumkin, 6, #666 of 1468 🔗

Has she ever tried rebuilding an economy? Or running a national health service without an economy?

235551 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #667 of 1468 🔗

Why would a GP ever be asked to run an ICU?


235567 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to DavidC, #668 of 1468 🔗

I understand we are short of medical staff in hospital to treat covid patients. Even vets were on call for possible sign up in March

235781 ▶▶▶▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #669 of 1468 🔗

I’d trust my local vet over my local doctor, so maybe that would not be a bad idea!

235540 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Maeve, 4, #670 of 1468 🔗

I don’t really get this… working in ICU must be horrible at the best of times. Was it really that much worse during covid for the vast majority? As far as I know, there were very few hospitals that became significantly overwhelmed. They are often running at or beyond capacity in a normal winter. I can’t believe that a significant number experienced anything outside of their normal running to the extent that they still need to be off with stress and trauma. A small number of staff perhaps, but surely not enough to be affecting the day to day running of the NHS at this point in time?

Happy to be corrected on this, but it seems wrong to me.

235634 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #671 of 1468 🔗

No it was not. However, to see people die being put on ventilators when they should not have must have been a bit stressful. Ventilators killed a lot of covid patients

235330 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 42, #672 of 1468 🔗

Mail on Sunday leader comment headline:

“If lockdown goes on one day beyond December 2, it’s curtains for Boris, the Tories – and for Britain.”

Better than that they make clear they will not countenance an extension via other means ie tiers.

235353 ▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to OKUK, 1, #673 of 1468 🔗

Can’t find it—-can you give a link?


235369 ▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 2, #674 of 1468 🔗

It’s OK got it now!

235521 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Harry hopkins, 4, #675 of 1468 🔗

It’s a significant victory for scepticism.

235333 Mazianni, replying to Mazianni, 16, #676 of 1468 🔗

The COVID-19 Epitaph;

“In years to come revile us and say, that your tomorrow was sacrificed for our today”

235442 ▶▶ annie, replying to Mazianni, 3, #677 of 1468 🔗

Bang on. Absolutely bang on.
Can I borrow it for my stickers?

235481 ▶▶▶ Mazianni, replying to annie, 1, #678 of 1468 🔗

Please do.

235335 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 14, #679 of 1468 🔗

Where are the coppers?
Driven from South Shropshire to the Stourbridge area of the West Midlands (20 miles and lots of traffic and pedestrians) and so far have not seen a single one.
I thought that they were going to deal harshly with LD law breakers.
Probably get arrested on the way home.

235343 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Fingerache Philip., 20, #680 of 1468 🔗

Too busy policing war memorials

235372 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 8, #681 of 1468 🔗

Or Sainsburys supermarkets

235479 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to arfurmo, 4, #682 of 1468 🔗

…chucking customers out of the shop for not wearing masks

235389 ▶▶ l835, replying to Fingerache Philip., 7, #683 of 1468 🔗

I went to England and back yesterday, no sign of any Police. There were two officers at my towns remembrance service. But they just stood at the back of the 30+ non distanced crowd. Very sensible Policing, I think my local force is actually out catching real criminals!

235450 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #684 of 1468 🔗

Probably patrolling deserted car parks in Snowdonia.

235813 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Fingerache Philip., #685 of 1468 🔗

Not seen any around Ironbridge either and they took my number down in Lockdown 1!

235336 TJN, replying to TJN, 36, #686 of 1468 🔗

Had a morning out at a nearby beauty spot with the family (very crowded), and then to the village war memorial.

The scene bears an uncanny resemblance to today’s Bob carton. I’d almost think he had here in mind, although it seems he was thinking in part of Johnson’s home parish.

Got there about half an hour after eleven, and only us there. The adjacent pub (the Royal Oak) was shut of course, and the church doors locked.

I looked at the roll call of names and felt a terrible dissonance. About the only thing I could feel sure of is that they died.

What would they think of the pub and church and pub being closed? Are we as a society so different today from that of our grandfathers and great-grandfathers? Perhaps the difference, in the Second World War at least, was indeed Churchill.

What of the First World War? The slaughter of young men called the existing social order into question. The trust in the upper classes evaporated in the aftermath of the horrors.

Perhaps that’s where we are headed now. Public trust in our institutions and the executive destroyed. But to be replaced by what?

235359 ▶▶ TJN, replying to TJN, 13, #687 of 1468 🔗

I should have added: Churchill is now, of course, being pulled apart by the National Trust, of all people.

The ‘National Trust’. What a horrible Orwellian ring that has to it now.

235438 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to TJN, 6, #688 of 1468 🔗

Yes.It means the exact opposite of what it says.

235358 right2question, replying to right2question, 22, #689 of 1468 🔗

i’m not understanding why i’m not hearing about the big companies who are having to lay off staff, close branches etc like john lewis and marks and spencer’s for instance, speak out

235363 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to right2question, 16, #690 of 1468 🔗

I would think it because few are going into the shops because of the muzzling and the need to muzzle on public transport to get there and back. Remove the muzzles and watch sales rocket .

235435 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to arfurmo, 8, #691 of 1468 🔗

Yep. I never go into a shop, among the nappied ghouls, except to procure the means of sustaining life.
Off masks, Annie in shop, no prob.

235366 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to right2question, 7, #692 of 1468 🔗

Presumably they think that their customers are all terrified and brainwashed and would boycott them if they challenged the ‘if it saves one life’ narrative.

235375 ▶▶▶ right2question, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #693 of 1468 🔗

thanks, i can see that’s v possible bloody annoying as we could do with all their voices

235376 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to right2question, 4, #694 of 1468 🔗

It’s because they’ll get shamed as caring more about profits than lives.

235436 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Achilles, #695 of 1468 🔗

Instead of getting shamed for not caring about the human race.

235585 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Achilles, 3, #696 of 1468 🔗

A lot of companies would do well to remember that their primary function is to deliver for their shareholders and cut the virtue signalling crap.

Speaking as somebody who has only ever worked for large corporations, it’s been a problem for a long time.

235429 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to right2question, 2, #697 of 1468 🔗

Because then the MSM would actually have to admit that lockdown is harmful.

235535 ▶▶ Felice, replying to right2question, #698 of 1468 🔗

John Lewis announced a load of head office job cuts last week, that’s on top of the branches they are going to close.

235580 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Felice, #699 of 1468 🔗

Ours is closed. The town will be all boarded up before too long

236057 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to right2question, #700 of 1468 🔗

Because they’re cowards that’s why.

Had they spoke out against this early on and defied the government, we wouldn’t be in this mess and they wouldn’t be closing branches & making staff redundant.

They’re now paying the price.

235370 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 14, #701 of 1468 🔗

Do not trust the shapeshifting creep at No 10.
Fight the CCP, Fight the Swamp, Fight the tyranny.

235423 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to nickbowes, 5, #702 of 1468 🔗


Like it!

235582 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to nickbowes, 2, #703 of 1468 🔗

That would be some ticket!

235374 James Leary #KBF, 28, #704 of 1468 🔗

So – the NHS is voluntarily understaffed having sent huge numbers home on full pay since the start of this shitshow. Plus a lot more off with stress after having done their job the first time. Living proof, that what when the chips are down it looks after No.1, and to hell with the mission. We (didn’t) stand up today for those who weren’t given the choice. I’m thinking of handing out white feathers instead of clapping. Pin them on every NHS notice board, or doctors surgery door, etc etc. Show them we DO care. The bastards.

235380 Arnie, replying to Arnie, 110, #705 of 1468 🔗

About fifty people at our local church at 11am. The police were there bossing people around in the church yard. He took one look at me & found something else to do. Good ‘cos I’m having a bad day today & would have quite happily shoved they nearest gravestone up his ar**!

Officer type made a point of standing in front of me with what seemed like fifty medals hanging off his coat. I don’t wear my medals ever, I don’t need to tell anybody else what I’ve done, I know and that’s all that counts. I rarely even wear a poppy because I remember EVERY fucking day. I have PTSD (and depression) so yes I remember holding my best friend in my arms whilst he died.

Made a complete fool of myself in front of our local councillor. He’s an ex-Lib Democrats, total opposite to meme but totally on side with all the coronabollocks.

I wept in front of him for the loss of my friends in Iraq & Afghan, and now my business partner three weeks ago.

Kids were with me & held me tight. They know that Daddy is a’ bit broken ‘.

The councillor was 100% supportive and insisted that we meet up soon.

I’m home now, exhausted. If I didn’t have these wonderful kids I wouldn’t be here now. Its agony but I have to do my best for them.

My service was all for nothing. The very people that we fought to protect are being tortured and abused by the very people who are employed to protect and care for them.


235385 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Arnie, 21, #706 of 1468 🔗

Been weeping all day Arnie. Meet that Councillor. It’s true emotions that sometimes get through, as with the MP yesterday someone had success with.

Hugs, tears, fury and more tears —> action

235398 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Rosie, 29, #707 of 1468 🔗

Thanks Rosie. Run out of words. Hugs & humanity to you.
Fury & tears, oh yes!
Still gonna win, this old b*stard doesn’t know when to lay down or when to shut up.
Saved by my kids.
Now I need to save them.

235409 ▶▶▶ davews, replying to Rosie, 8, #708 of 1468 🔗

We had to do with a Zoom substitute. Although our minister did a good service under the circumstances it didn’t feel anything like a real remembrance service. Two minutes of silence looking at a powerpoint of the words, couldn’t see everybody else, encouraged to stand but that would mean my tummy being the only part visible with my laptop camera. Left us with the word ‘justice’ to thing about, many of us have been denied that this year.

For posting on one of my other forums I found a photo of the 2014 Tower of London display and posted ‘this is how today should have been’. Found myself in tears just looking at it.

Nobody in our family was in active service and recent conflicts have changed my view on the justification of war, but I always consider today the time when we should think about everything they did in the past.

Pleased that some of you managed a sort of real celebration, many will have not.

235396 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Arnie, 23, #709 of 1468 🔗

Arnie, you didn’t make a fool of yourself. You reacted in a perfectly normal and human way and that is hardly surprising given what you have been through.

I paid my own (solitary) tribute at our village memorial first thing this morning. I placed my message (posted here the other day) on the plinth which I hope will provoke some soul-searching in others.

My thoughts are with you, your family and your business partner’s daughter. kh

235406 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to kh1485, 29, #710 of 1468 🔗

Thank you KH. This is the fight of my life, the fight of our lives and especially that of our kids lives. I can’t tell you how much I’m hurting today but I can’t & won’t stop. We are civilised and we have humility,
We have to stop this.

235476 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Arnie, 11, #711 of 1468 🔗

We will.

235563 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Arnie, 12, #712 of 1468 🔗

You are an inspiration Arnie and have nothing to apologize for. Brought tears to my eyes and I salute you from across the pond. Enjoy being with your family today and know you’re doing everything possible to secure a decent future for your children.

235741 ▶▶▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 4, #713 of 1468 🔗

Thank you Lisa, everything is a bit blurry today, must have got something in my eye…

Keep up the good fight. Thanks again. Arnie

235906 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Arnie, 2, #714 of 1468 🔗

You are not alone Arnie. We know what your experience is and how profoundly it has affected you. Strange as it may sound the tide is turning. The light is there. You have what is the best in life, courage passion emotion and wonderful children. May be right now you are poor in money but you are rich in life and that is so much more important.

235426 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to kh1485, 20, #715 of 1468 🔗

I paid a solitary tribute, too. Not at our war memorial, which was hogged by zombie ghouls, but on Castle Hill. I read a fiery passage out of Revelation and said Psalm 144, which is a fighting psalm, as well as singing ‘Oh God, our help in ages past’ and ‘For the fallen’.
In past years I’ve been comfortably looking back at wars. This year, I’m in one, and fuzzy platitudes about Peace and One Big Happy Family are out of place.

I finished with all three verses of God save the Queen.

Confound their politics,
Frustrate their knavish tricks.

Amen to that.

235413 ▶▶ annie, replying to Arnie, 22, #716 of 1468 🔗

You aren’t broken and it wasn’t all for nothing.There are decent people in this country, and you risked everything to defend what makes them decent.

235418 ▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Arnie, 25, #717 of 1468 🔗

Arnie, please keep your head up mate, I know that you have had a tough time with thing’s lately & you gave me some superb advice a couple of weeks ago on here, one thing that you said has stuck in my mind ever since, you said “remember that it is always the darkest before dawn” that has stuck with me ever since.
I also want to say that you & all of us on here, are cut from the same cloth. We will win this fight, be that a long one or a short one.
Stay strong my friend, life is there to test us all at some point when we least expect it.
If you need to talk or anything, please drop me a PM & I will do whatever I can.

Keep up the fight. Stay strong & we will win this.

235738 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to AnotherSceptic, 7, #718 of 1468 🔗

Thank you AS, I may well take you up on your offer. For now I’m spending time with my kids & my business partners daughter & her boyfriend. Probably the wrong thing to say but we’re all in this together so there’s plenty of mutual support.

Hopefully tomorrow will be a better day. Thanks again.


235420 ▶▶ Paul, replying to Arnie, 18, #719 of 1468 🔗

Nothing foolish about weeping Arnie,it proves you are human and have a living soul with genuine compassion,qualities that seem to be quite rare these days.
Your kids clearly think the world of you,hold them tight,keep them close and you will get through.
I for one appreciate your military service,I consider that you fought for all of us and I believe you are still fighting for the decent people of this country.
Best wishes to you and your family,I feel that the tide may be turning in our favour,it seems painfully slow but truth and sanity hopefully will prevail.

235772 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Paul, 5, #720 of 1468 🔗

Thank you Paul. Yeah I feel that the tide is turning. Hopefully it’s just a bad day. My kids are my reason to live and reason to fight this horror. I don’t care if I don’t live to see a future for my kids as long as we can male sure it happens. That said we always used to say that we won’t die cheaply so there’s plenty of fight in me yet. Recharge today, back into the fight again tomorrow hopefully.
Thanks again.

235458 ▶▶ Foxglove, replying to Arnie, 19, #721 of 1468 🔗

In the dark hours of night when I can”t sleep for fear of my children’s future, I am very glad to know that there are people like you in this world.

235466 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Foxglove, 9, #722 of 1468 🔗

Thank you Foxglove. Struggling for the right words today.

236050 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Arnie, 6, #723 of 1468 🔗

You didn’t make a fool of yourself as your response was human and expected.

This year has been a massive disappointment. I wasn’t able to go to the Cenotaph today as the police blocked all routes, turning away both ordinary people and veterans.

I am absolutely fuming with rage at what went on today. The state has blood on their hands and have insulted the memory of those who fought and died for this country.

235381 WhyNow, replying to WhyNow, 3, #724 of 1468 🔗

Thanks for the link to the Royal British Legion online shop. I have donated. I had overlooked that I had not made my usual donation in person.

235511 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to WhyNow, #725 of 1468 🔗

You should look into their accounts and see where their money, or doesn’t, as the case may be.

235388 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 23, #727 of 1468 🔗

Nigel has a lot of flaws. He hasn’t been very reliable in the past, running off in the shadows after pushing Brexit through. But for all his faults, he is the only alternative.
People like to say Boris is a British Trump. I disagree. I think Nigel is the British Trump. Far from ideal, but the man we need in times such as these.

235391 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 17, #728 of 1468 🔗

He’s better than Trump. Equal in brass neck. More intelligent. And I think people who say they’re both opportunists are wrong. I think Farage does have principles.

235395 ▶▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 7, #729 of 1468 🔗

Indeed – short of the very far right I would vote for anyone who opposed the current shit show. The man is a snake oil salesman but I’m buying anything that punishes the guilty

235402 ▶▶ PhilipF, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 7, #730 of 1468 🔗

Has Farage said anything anti-lockdown before now? He’s been a big disappointment. I guess if it scares the Tory party to its senses then it will be a great service. Although long-run I’d prefer to see the Tory party destroyed and replaced.

235439 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to PhilipF, 3, #731 of 1468 🔗

We need root and branch reform of our government and institutions to stop anything like this happening again.Farage will lead the opposition into a dead end again.

235440 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to PhilipF, 9, #732 of 1468 🔗

He bought into it in the beginning, but fairly quickly changed his mind. Whatever people think of NF, he IS good at spotting political vacuums. Opposition to the Establishment’s policy (on the one hand) and tacit acceptance to it (on the other) is noticeably absent. Farage has recognised the time to move against it is now.

This probably means, whatever you think of NF, whatever your voting intentions, that the tide is now inexorably flowing our way.

235465 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Nick Rose, 7, #733 of 1468 🔗

Labour did not oppose anything. They do not look after worker rights. They must go too

235500 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to PhilipF, 2, #734 of 1468 🔗

Godfrey Bloom and David Kurten both ex-UKIP from years ago have been much more solid on calling out the nonsense for months. Nigel Farage looks like an opportunist waiting for public opinion to soften before taking a stand on lockdown.

Unfortunately he will will make the far left even more pro-lockdown – so not sure he is a help or hinderance.

235832 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Darryl, #735 of 1468 🔗

I know what you mean but to be honest I dont think the far left could be any more pro lockdown! And that saddens me greatly.

235414 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 7, #736 of 1468 🔗

Thought I’d check in to Radio 4 briefly to see what BS was being put out about the American election. The Bullometer hit max just a
Millisecond in with James Naughtie (BBC retired but still on the gravy train) telling us that with Biden and the Democrats it would all be about reconciliation.

Makes you wonder if he had seen the tweet from Alessandra Orcasio Cortez approving of a fellow Democrat making a list of Trump supporters for follow-up action under a Biden presidency.

235816 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to OKUK, 2, #737 of 1468 🔗

Another who needs to be executed

235416 Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 9, #738 of 1468 🔗

Perhaps one for Toby to investigate further?


As I said earlier, in response to Basics:
I did a bit of digging on Admiral PR & Marketing, with whom the Hon Kate has been spending much public money. Companies House lists 2 directors of the company – assume husband and wife – called Collingwood-Cameron. Now, what is very interesting is that Mr (Angus) Collingwood-Cameron is from Northumberland. If you look closely, he would appear to have a link to Chillingham, a place where none other than Mary Wakefield, aka Mrs Dominic Cummings, has a not insignificant link. Wonder whether anyone might like to follow that up?

235430 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #739 of 1468 🔗

Send it to Toby and to The Good Law Project

235544 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #740 of 1468 🔗

Yes indeed: all roads lead to Chillingham Castle.

235417 Anothersceptic2, replying to Anothersceptic2, 20, #741 of 1468 🔗

It just suddenly dawned on me with the radio on, advert Tesco on and they said “following the Government guidance…”. To me that’s a very interesting phrasing, notice how they’re not saying “the Governments laws” but instead using the word guidance. Guidance is normally voluntarily followed. Are they using this word on purpose as they know that none of what they’re enforcing is lawful?

235494 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Anothersceptic2, 2, #742 of 1468 🔗

Could be. Or it could be that people are still in denial that the government would enact such authoritarian laws.

235558 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Anothersceptic2, 2, #743 of 1468 🔗

I said this to the school in one of my emails about masks. Guidance not law – they can interpret guidance as they wish to.

235428 mattghg, #744 of 1468 🔗

LewRockwell, not LeeRockwell

235431 NickR, replying to NickR, 10, #745 of 1468 🔗

I like to keep an eye on how Tier 3 impacted on some of the big Northern/Midlands cities.
We should have started to see a steeper decline than the decline that was already under way before Tier 3, not a pip!
What’s the money it’s the same with the Lockdown, a million people thrown into unemployment and not a flicker of response.

235453 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to NickR, 3, #746 of 1468 🔗

Testing Smesting, at least the wiggly lines are going down. Certainly makes Mockdown 2.0 look even more pointless and insane. Which has got to be a good thing. Perhaps this is why they did it, they just want to drive people over the edge so they will finally react and push back against the fake left that is trying to kill the tories with their lockdown coup.

235505 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to NickR, 1, #747 of 1468 🔗

Yep – good analysis as always Nick.

235512 ▶▶ DRW, replying to NickR, 5, #748 of 1468 🔗

Just proves if the Fat Dictator had waited just another week he could have spent this weeks’ Clown Show celebrating the “success” of regional tiers. But once again he’s caved under pressure from shitty modelling and everyone else in Europe. Honestly, calling him a Poundshop Chamberlain is a charitable description.

235516 ▶▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to DRW, 4, #749 of 1468 🔗

Chamberlain had some strengths and a certain amount of integrity. Boris is the pound shop Vidkun Quisling

235572 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to DRW, 1, #750 of 1468 🔗

Chamberlain gets a bad press but there was nothing he could have done at Munich.The armed forces at the time were woefully unprepared and there was no will to war in the British people.

235455 James Marker, replying to James Marker, 33, #751 of 1468 🔗

Dominic Lawson was on shockingly bad form in today’s Sunday Times when he claimed the hospitality industry would have been wrecked even without lockdown – on the supposition that many people would have been too scared to go out anyway. What utter rubbish. Young people are not going to be put off going to bars, clubs and cinemas for fear of picking up a virus that produces no or only mild symptoms. I’m in my mid-sixties and would happily continue going to restaurants and hotels, given the chance. There are many more like me. Dominic Lawson normally writes common sense, but he had a complete aberration today.

235499 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to James Marker, 9, #752 of 1468 🔗

Unfortunately, it looks like a lot of young people are buying into the lockdown narrative. I suspect this is because they follow social media to a much higher degree than other age groups, and social media have been quite aggressive about promoting lockdowns and masks. What’s more, artists preferred by young people are also in favour of lockdowns and are not shy about promoting them.
All in all, i think young people are the ones most likely to be put off going to bars, clubs, cinemas.

235524 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 11, #753 of 1468 🔗

Social Media is a virus itself. People think you have to display your colours to each and all. But it seems many just raise a flag they think others want them to. It’s all just a group think exercise at times.

235532 ▶▶▶ rose, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 1, #754 of 1468 🔗

Yes I cannot convert my son however hard I try

235843 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to rose, #755 of 1468 🔗

Its like losing your family to a cult.

235840 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #756 of 1468 🔗

That is terribly sad….they face zero risk.

235513 ▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to James Marker, 14, #757 of 1468 🔗

I managed to play a couple of gigs during lockdown at theatres with reduced capacity. My audience are largely in the “vulnerable” category. All sold out very quickly. People are desperate to go out again. If theatres opened up tomorrow they would be full

235523 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to James Marker, 12, #758 of 1468 🔗

The fact next to no excess deaths can be attributed to under 50s from Covid is a disgraceful situation. They are being asked to sacrifice so much for so little in return. The chances of a healthy person in that age bracket dying from this are miniscule. That makes no sense unless you consider this all agenda driven.

235526 ▶▶ FenTyger, replying to James Marker, 7, #759 of 1468 🔗

I’m in the same age group and would happily go out if not for all the mask nonsense etc. I actually find it amusing that in previous flu seasons when visiting a GP surgery I’m the one hand sanitising after using the virus spreading touchscreens and standing well way from the coughers and splutterers.

235527 ▶▶ DRW, replying to James Marker, 9, #760 of 1468 🔗

The young aren’t that scared, they’re still doing underground raves and campus parties. Lockdown and mask zealotry is more about virtue-signalling than fear, and most zealots are big hypocrites anyway, just look at BLM.

And based on what I’ve heard from fellow students I’m sure my campus would be busy again if it went back to normal. (I can dream…)

235534 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to James Marker, 4, #761 of 1468 🔗

“on the supposition that many people would have been too scared to go out anyway.”

I’ve heard the same argument from my woke, leftie, Guardian reading, millenial brother. 🙁

235566 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Ewan Duffy, 2, #762 of 1468 🔗

At the beginning there would have been a drop,but that was caused by government/media scaremongering.
There were people using the pubs/theatres right up until they were closed.I think a couple of weeks of panic and people would have flocked back when they realised this wasn’t the plague.
Also London pre lockdown 2 was as busy as it’s been since before lockdown 1.The fear has gone

235543 ▶▶ Will, replying to James Marker, 12, #763 of 1468 🔗

Went to two pubs I use on the Wednesday night before lockdown. One I couldn’t get into because every single seat was taken and that included lots of people “illegally” sharing tables, the other enjoyed “a Saturday night” in terms of covers. I suspect Dominic Lawson hasn’t been in a pub for 20 years.

235759 ▶▶ Julian, replying to James Marker, 3, #764 of 1468 🔗

Some young people will be put off, as will some older people, but plenty won’t.

From what I observed and understood in Sweden, those places are quieter than normal there, but still surviving and in some cases thriving. I didn’t see many if any such places closed permanently.

It’s on a different scale.

Anyway, it’s an odd argument – it’s a bit like defending a murderer on the basis that the victim was ill and would have died soon anyway.

235803 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to James Marker, #765 of 1468 🔗

Lawson says it all really

235838 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to James Marker, #766 of 1468 🔗

He has been pro lockdown throughout. One massive letdown….is Nigella any better…or even Nigel?

235461 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 40, #767 of 1468 🔗

I have a view of our local War Memorial from my home

I was there this morning. It was very well attended. There were 38 wreaths laid on the memorial. Very moving

Two hours after the ceremony two men in full PPE arrived. They had a police escort

They sprayed the wreaths with something and then started to remove the wreaths

I went out and asked what they were doing. The guys in the PPE said they were Environmental Health Officers

They said the wreaths were an infection risk and they were taking them away to burn them

I noticed that they had removed all the dedication cards from the wreaths. I asked why they were doing this and they replied that each of the organisations involved would be issued with a £10,000 fixed penalty ticket

When I remonstrated with them the police threatened to arrest me, so I left

There are no wreaths on the memorial now

Where the local Brownies will find £10,000 I don’t know

235467 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Cecil B, 16, #768 of 1468 🔗

This is the symbiosis of covid and BLM.

Heritage and collective memory and custom now under attack for medical ‘reasons’.

235469 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cecil B, 25, #769 of 1468 🔗

Wowsers this is just one of the most INSANE AND EVIL things I heard of so far…..and that’s saying something.

235472 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 11, #770 of 1468 🔗

I hope somebody got this on video.

235470 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Cecil B, 11, #771 of 1468 🔗

Please contact your local newspaper with this!!

235487 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Silke David, 7, #772 of 1468 🔗

Local newspapers are a waste of time as they are often staffed by current / ex BBC staff and most are now centrally controlled. Ofter best to bypass them and go to local independent media or national ones such as UK Column.

235477 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Cecil B, 16, #773 of 1468 🔗

Having recently had my own run-in with the Environmental Health, this does not surprise me. These people have no humanity, no soul and they are the dregs of society.

235485 ▶▶ NickR, replying to Cecil B, 12, #774 of 1468 🔗

I suspect there’s no way anyone in any kind of position of authority would carry through on this threat, if they did I really think it would end badly, it would also be the fastest ever crowd funded fine collection. But I am speechless that anyone could even suggest this.

235502 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to NickR, 2, #775 of 1468 🔗

That quote from Alexander Solzhenitsyn is particularly relevant in this case.

235493 ▶▶ annie, replying to Cecil B, 14, #776 of 1468 🔗

Send this story to Peter Hitchens. And e-mail it to Toby in case he diesn’t see it here.
It is enough to make angels weep.

235616 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to annie, 3, #777 of 1468 🔗

PS. Send it to the Sun and the Mail.

235496 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Cecil B, 9, #778 of 1468 🔗

Surely not ? I pray there is a misunderstanding here otherwise there is no point in carrying on pretending to be nice and democratic. Force must be met with equal force.

235510 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Cecil B, 2, #779 of 1468 🔗

Would have loved to see some video footage.

They cant fine these people as they did not breathe law. However, suggest they try as there will be massive outcry.

235533 ▶▶ Felice, replying to Cecil B, 5, #780 of 1468 🔗

Absolutely horrifying.
Have you got photos of them working?
You need to contact the press. Also any organisation that gets a FPN.
This needs to be given high prominence.

235565 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Cecil B, 2, #781 of 1468 🔗

Can you broadcast this on their local Twitter or FB account. Publicise this.

235676 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to thinkaboutit, #782 of 1468 🔗

Yes, second this..call them on it, in an open forum. Deeply disturbing

235623 ▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to Cecil B, 1, #783 of 1468 🔗

You MUST publicise this.

235650 ▶▶ Jenny, replying to Cecil B, 7, #784 of 1468 🔗

I walked to my local war memorial with my son. There were a handful of wreaths. We had printed out the Bob cartoon (sorry Bob if you are reading) and put it into a plastic sleeve for protection. My son had written “thanks for your sacrifice; sorry we squandered it” underneath the cartoon we taped a poppy to the back of it so that you could see it over the top left hand corner. We laid that at the memorial and bowed.

235651 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Cecil B, 5, #785 of 1468 🔗

Despicable conduct. Do we need veterans to guard our war memorials now?! It was bad enough them having to protect Baden Powell’s statue.

Get the story to Simon Dolan.

235665 ▶▶ davews, replying to Cecil B, 3, #786 of 1468 🔗

That is despicable and hope like the piper story it gets all the publicity it deserves.
I had a walk up to our own war memorial this afternoon, quite a few wreathes there and a few people around paying their respects. Couple of nice chats with them. In our case most of the wreathes were from the local dignitaries – council, MP, mayor, police etc. If the same thing happened here I wonder how all those dignitaries would react…

235707 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Cecil B, 4, #787 of 1468 🔗

Where was this then? I’m sure something like this would make national news in the more sceptical papers such as the MoS especially after the recent furore over the care home rescue arrest and the Milton Keynes crematorium incident. If you have all this verifiable information do scepticism a favour and put it out there.

235748 ▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to Cecil B, 2, #788 of 1468 🔗

Good heavens – how appalling. Surely that is just a money raising ploy? So insulting to those who died saving us from an evil Fascist dictatorship. Pity we can’t raise the dead and ask them to help us form a new fighting force to repeat the process against those currently in charge. (Can you put something on FB if your local newspaper is unhelpful?)

235875 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Cecil B, 2, #789 of 1468 🔗

Unbelievable. Words fail me. That people actually doing this are so brainwashed they have become unfeeling robots. For fucks sake environmental health people it’s Remembrance Sunday.

236036 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cecil B, #790 of 1468 🔗

That’s appalling. Those who left the wreaths should band together and refuse to pay – keep them busy for the next 10,000 years.

A plague on those who did this!!!

235464 tonyspurs, replying to tonyspurs, 12, #791 of 1468 🔗

Utter Scum..you fucking c**t Boris

235475 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to tonyspurs, 14, #792 of 1468 🔗

It’s all brewing up, divide and conquer. The so called police should be ashamed. Easily done when they are hiding behind a mask

235478 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to tonyspurs, 4, #793 of 1468 🔗


235491 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Two-Six, 8, #794 of 1468 🔗

Notice the cop unmasked in background filming the whole thing?

235503 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Sarigan, 3, #795 of 1468 🔗

Yep, Forward Intelligence Team (FIT) SOP. I think the piper took a tumble deliberately. Shame they didn’t manage to push through the police line they could have done it easily and it would have been very significant.

235482 ▶▶ calchas, replying to tonyspurs, 10, #796 of 1468 🔗

We are now witnessing the disintegration of society in real time.

235484 ▶▶ The Spingler, replying to tonyspurs, -20, #797 of 1468 🔗

I’d like to see this verified by someone other than Tommy Robinson and his gang of low life supporters.

235489 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to The Spingler, 3, #798 of 1468 🔗


235504 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to The Spingler, 5, #799 of 1468 🔗

Ad hominem.

235525 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to The Spingler, 1, #800 of 1468 🔗


This is the twitter version, not by TR as far as I know

235653 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to The Spingler, 2, #801 of 1468 🔗

Can you not use your eyes for verification?

235794 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to The Spingler, 4, #802 of 1468 🔗

Fuckoff 77

235492 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to tonyspurs, 3, #803 of 1468 🔗

Thanks for uploading that. I suspect the source of it will see the video banned. Hopefully there is a clean up load available somewhere on YouTube or similar that can be more widely shared.

235498 ▶▶ chris, replying to tonyspurs, 6, #804 of 1468 🔗

First, the piper walked into the policeman. Second, over-reaction from the “policeman” Third I hear the Met is using foreign mercenaries because UK police are too nice. Fourth, perhaps the “policeman” was primed ready for violence by his commander.

235710 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to chris, #805 of 1468 🔗

1, 2, and especially 4 fair comments. Don’t know about 3.

Tensions are very high on all sides, and someone in responsibility needs to calm things down. It’s called leadership.

The police need to set a good example.

235507 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to tonyspurs, 2, #806 of 1468 🔗


235509 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Victoria, 10, #807 of 1468 🔗

I would have found it hard to not launch an immediate and brutal elbow strike on that officer.. I would have been arrested. But I won’t wear a mask.. I will not be vaccinated because of fatboy Boris Blair The Biden/Clintons Gates etc.. Refuse/Resist.

235468 Silke David, 41, #808 of 1468 🔗

We had a farmers market in town today and I went with another person who I met through KBF FB to speak to people and hand out some leaflets. The market organiser was not happy that we were there, although we kept away from the actual market area. Had some good conversations with mostly already sceptical people. I put my local MPs e-mail and her phone number for her constituency office on my leaflet so people can leave a voice mail. Most do not like her as she does not represent us and does not communicate.
It was a good experience.
I used Mablecow’s image of the soldiers in the trench, thank you, MC!

235497 NickR, 7, #809 of 1468 🔗

The CEBM recently produced a paper on the problem of hospital acquired coronavirus infection. They thought that across the board in October it had risen from about 12% to 18% of admissions. Applying this trend to admissions to English hospitals over the last 10 days you get the chart below, with hospitalisations from the community ticking down. & it’s in the middle of this that the Government Lockdown & throw a million on the dole!

235508 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #810 of 1468 🔗

For anyone who hasn’t yet, listento Dr Binder on the Richie Allen Show. Succinct and perfect for anyone yet to be convinced of tbe PCR flaws.


235514 ▶▶ calchas, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #811 of 1468 🔗


235519 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 31, #812 of 1468 🔗

Just wanted to say Thank You to the 67 people yesterday who gave a thumbs up to my comment/letter to our local Dean about praying for not only NHS/key workers.
It really gave me a lift and encouraged me to go out today and speak to people on the street.

235530 ▶▶ Will, replying to Silke David, 26, #813 of 1468 🔗

The people who never receive a mention in all of this never ending sh’te are the lorry drivers. They quietly get on with their business without tik tok, Strictly and all the other bollocks even acknowledging they exist.

235548 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Will, 21, #814 of 1468 🔗

Is there something wrong with me me that I don’t understand all the sentimentality about people doing any job all of a sudden? Surely countless people who have lost employment and businesses would have swapped places in a heartbeat with anyone complaining that they are busy and not getting time off. I would choose 7 days a week over the hopelessness I experienced March to September In good times some folk work 2 and 3 jobs to provide for their families. They don’t get hailed as heroes, even if they are often doing the hard, unpleasant jobs no one else fancies.

235698 ▶▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #815 of 1468 🔗

My husband didn’t want clapping. He found people putting their thumbs up at him and waving in April slightly weird and as for the convoys of lorries driving round to coincide with the Thursday night clap, he thought it was nauseating attention seeking. His view is he’s just doing his job and if people want to show their appreciation stop cutting him up and pulling stupid braking stunts in front of him!

235672 ▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Will, 9, #816 of 1468 🔗

My husband says thanks. He’s worked throughout delivering waste from a transfer station to incineration for power generation. Wading around in domestic waste from areas of the East Midlands supposedly with high Covid numbers in only regular hi vis. No PPE, not even soap in the loos half the time. Not one case of Covid among the entire workforce.

236031 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Silke David, #817 of 1468 🔗

That was a superb letter and you should be proud of yourself.

235520 Voz 0db, 8, #818 of 1468 🔗

I had to add the EXPERT…

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With a GOOD NHS DOCTOR at the Gate of Freedom the Herd will feel more confident!

235522 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 23, #819 of 1468 🔗

I just spent half an hour exploring the Guardian. Good grief. I thought the Telegraph was bad. Reading it is a bit like being Tasered, the panic/rage/frenzy is dialled up so high. No wonder people have gone mad if they’re subjected to that every day.

235539 ▶▶ CGL, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 8, #820 of 1468 🔗

Why would you do that to yourself – were you doing it for our benefit, so we weren’t tempted to try it? If so, please don’t put yourself to all that trouble on our account. It sounds terrible!

235557 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #821 of 1468 🔗

Never, ever do that again.

235644 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to thinkaboutit, 2, #822 of 1468 🔗

I promise

235571 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #823 of 1468 🔗

You need a cold shower and strong liquor!

235642 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to KBuchanan, 2, #824 of 1468 🔗

I’m working on it. Although not the cold shower part.

235576 ▶▶ DRW, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #825 of 1468 🔗

They occasionally do comedy gold- that thing about “rising belief in dangerous covid conspiracy theories” was hilarious.

235855 ▶▶▶ LS99, replying to DRW, #826 of 1468 🔗

They do, with a straight face my elderly Guardian reading mother told me that “Covid has eradicated the flu”. Apparently The Guardian ran a story on it. I just asked her if she really thought that sounded likely, wouldn’t it be more likely that flu cases were being recorded as being Covid.

235605 ▶▶ John P, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #827 of 1468 🔗


They read the guardian so you don’t have to.

235619 ▶▶ wendy, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #828 of 1468 🔗

I had to stop reading it around May as it was driving me crazy. I never go there now unless there’s a link to an article on here or Carl Heneghan has a rare article there.

235686 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #829 of 1468 🔗

Thank you for going in and collecting the ‘intelligence’, it’s important to know what drives the enemy on, it’s a dirty job but someone has to do it and I appreciate you taking it on so we don’t have to. Top chap, I salute you.

236030 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #830 of 1468 🔗

Brain bleach is needed after perusing the Graun for a long length of time

236310 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #831 of 1468 🔗

I read this message from the Guardian at the end of a comment by Thomas Frank yesterday:
The Guardian has no shareholders or billionaire owner, meaning our journalism is free from influence and vested interests – this makes us different. Our editorial independence and autonomy allows us to provide fearless investigations and analysis of those with political and commercial power. We can give a voice to the oppressed and neglected, and help bring about a brighter, fairer future.

235531 chaos, replying to chaos, 12, #832 of 1468 🔗

The media (inc. Toby) have declared this election a Biden (Clinton et al Great Reset) victory.. but 90% turnout for a corrupt man with dementia? Come on…

What now for Brexit? It’s over right? Biden is anti-brexit.. Boris isn’t really pro-brexit..

I guess that was all part of the plan eh? Why didn’t we do that US deal that Trump kept offering? Chlorinated chicken? We drink chlorinated water… if you wash your meat under a tap it is somewhat chlorinated…

235536 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to chaos, 9, #833 of 1468 🔗

Brexit is over. Weak PM and toxic tories, Labour a cert for next election with added deal for second ref for Kranky, Seems all well scripted really

235537 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to nickbowes, 4, #834 of 1468 🔗

Oh God – someone shoot me now please!

235542 ▶▶▶▶ nickbowes, replying to CGL, 10, #835 of 1468 🔗

At some point in the future a true reform party will do well here, even the Farage vehicle will take 5-10% off every rotten tory mp in England leading to the Kneeler in No 10.

235581 ▶▶▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to nickbowes, 3, #836 of 1468 🔗

Sir Kneel Smarmier?

235593 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Chris John, 2, #837 of 1468 🔗

Sir Kier Obama

235630 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Chris John, 1, #838 of 1468 🔗



235589 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to nickbowes, 6, #839 of 1468 🔗

That is the same argument that got us here.There is no discernible difference between labour and conservatives.Until people realise that we are stuck in our one party state.Labour will not escape the backlash when it happens as they have called for stronger lockdown measures every step of the way.
This is based on the proviso that we will be allowed to vote again.

235913 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sceptical Lefty, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #840 of 1468 🔗

Sadly true. I feel we have a de facto national government. And I nearly always vote Labour

235560 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to nickbowes, 3, #841 of 1468 🔗

Not conservative, not labour ever

235666 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to nickbowes, 2, #842 of 1468 🔗

No, more labour MP’s wanted this to continue

235541 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to chaos, 10, #843 of 1468 🔗

The media doesn’t get to decide the US election result – the electoral college does in January.

235670 ▶▶ alw, replying to chaos, 4, #844 of 1468 🔗


235785 ▶▶ peter, replying to chaos, 1, #845 of 1468 🔗

I’ve long suspected toby was a shill working to deflect blame from the Tories while providing them lots of Intel regarding their devastating lockdown policy and covid hoax.

Toby has now lost all crediblity in my eyes, he is working for the enemy.

235786 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to chaos, #846 of 1468 🔗

Our water in Notts is so chlorinated it’s undrinkable it stinks like a 70s public bath.we even boil bottled in the kettle.

235969 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Jaguarpig, 1, #847 of 1468 🔗

There must be lots of people with thyroid problems in Notts then. Chlorine (and Fluoride if added to the water supply) prevents the uptake of iodine.

235545 TT, 7, #848 of 1468 🔗

Just came across this by accident – Remembrance Day sure isn’t what it used to be ! (don’t think this was already posted, it was new to me): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jb7n_S0M9ao
Well, in any case the police forces show as much respect to the veterans as they have to the general populace lately – none.

235547 richard riewer, #849 of 1468 🔗

1969 – Pioneer Eugenicist.

235550 Mabel Cow, replying to Mabel Cow, 9, #850 of 1468 🔗

Minor update: Panscepticon now shows a user scoreboard for each daily news page.

I’m working on an overall stats page.

235562 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #851 of 1468 🔗

wow that’s revealing

235991 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Mabel Cow, #852 of 1468 🔗

Must make sure I don’t get on the list Mon-Fri. I’ll get the sack 🙂

235574 Linda b, 26, #853 of 1468 🔗

THIS SAYS IT ALL….. Former Defence Secretary Sir Michael Fallon turned on the Government for refusing to trust veterans to keep their social distance inside a church having previously trusted them to fight in wars to protect the country.

235586 Cheshirecatslave, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 4, #854 of 1468 🔗

The message about vitamin D must be reaching people as my cleaning lady( who always takes it as I do) told me she had been in 2 hemists trying to buy some only to be told they were sold out.

235626 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 3, #855 of 1468 🔗


If you choose to take vitamin D supplements, 10 micrograms a day will be enough for most people.

WRONG NHS . 10mcg (400IU) is barely enough to prevent rickets


Taking too many vitamin D supplements over a long period of time can cause too much calcium to build up in the body (hypercalcaemia). This can weaken the bones and damage the kidneys and the heart.

WRONG NHS. Many people are extremely deficient and even taking 4,000IU over a long period of time will not lead to hypercalcaemia. Always take high dose Vitamin D3 with Vitamin K2 and Magnesium to ensure the Calcium in the blood and cells is taken to the bones and teeth.


Do not take more than 100 micrograms (4,000 IU) of vitamin D a day as it could be harmful.

WRONG NHS . It all depends how low vitamin D levels are (see attached photo). If extremely deficient very high doses 10,000IU+ need to be taken to improve Vitamin D levels. The NHS should test patients and use that as a baseline and dose accordingly.

Take at least 4,000IU of Vitamin D3 per day. Take with Vitamin K2 and Magnesium.

Vitamin D tests (see table 2) from https://www.anhinternational.org/campaigns/test-take-vitamin-d/

235633 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Victoria, 7, #856 of 1468 🔗

The NHS, and most doctors, know nothing about nutrition.

235654 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Victoria, #857 of 1468 🔗

What is your recommended dose for octogenarians?

235668 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to PastImperfect, #858 of 1468 🔗

If you have little daily exposure to sun in the summer (face and hands only do not count) then at least 4,000IU vitamin D3 per day during the summer and 10,000IU per day during the winter. Take vitamin K2 and Magnesium with it to ensure calcium absorption.

Best wishes

235701 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Victoria, 1, #859 of 1468 🔗

I watched something on TV about nutrition a few years ago. Essentially it said that you could not over dose with vitamins. The body retained what it needed and the surplus passed through the system. I’m no medic so can’t verify that, but that’s my recollection.

235724 ▶▶▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to leggy, 2, #860 of 1468 🔗

Not accurate I believe. Some excess of certain vitamins is excreted, but others can build up in tissues and eventually damage the organs. C is an example of the former; if memory serves correctly K is an example of the latter.

235849 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Victoria, #861 of 1468 🔗

I get confused with the labelling. Is 25ug = 25 mcg?

235964 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to crimsonpirate, #862 of 1468 🔗

Yes and 25mcg = 1,000IU

235632 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 1, #863 of 1468 🔗

Overheard a lady outside H & B today, she could not get Vit D. I was leafleting and would have liked to speak to her, but she was with her family and they were in hurry.

235588 steve, replying to steve, 15, #864 of 1468 🔗


Police assaulting a veteran today.

The police are an utter disgrace.

235595 ▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to steve, 4, #865 of 1468 🔗

Dirty Bastards!! That is out of order.

235600 ▶▶ wendy, replying to steve, 4, #866 of 1468 🔗

I hope this makes it to the press!

235602 ▶▶ Liam, replying to steve, 7, #867 of 1468 🔗

Bastards. I want them to burn in hell for this.

235779 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Liam, 1, #868 of 1468 🔗

I will bring the matches

235810 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to steve, #870 of 1468 🔗

That’s disgusting!!! I recognised the piper as I did see him today.

235590 wendy, replying to wendy, 48, #871 of 1468 🔗

I am just home from the Manchester lockdown protest. Manchester certainly rose up!!!! Perhaps there were as many as 10k people there. It really was huge and quite emotional. And very friendly too.

When we got to Piccadilly gardens there were a few people speaking with mega phones in separate groups and it looked disappointing. Then one group headed off down towards the art gallery with police following. We followed and ended up cutting across a road to find this group returning with a huge crown, with flares and chanting, drums and whistles. Everyone went into Piccadilly gardens for speeches, then a march around the city. The numbers seemed to grow and grow.

There was all types of people, all ages, all clothing styles, races, older people, some on mobility scooters and in wheel chairs, children, dogs. There seemed to be some overlap with people highlighting it was Remembrance Sunday and those people who had died for our freedom with the loss of freedoms/authoritarianism of where we are now.

We have just returned home and they were still marching. I don’t know if there will be trouble or arrests. I wonder how the media will report it?

The rest of Manchester City centre with people who hadn’t been on the march was crammed with people having picnics, listening to street singers, wandering and generally enjoying the city.

235628 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Basileus, 7, #873 of 1468 🔗

Says a few hundred! People were filming it so it will go on social media and people will be able to see how many were there. We past a little group of police officers talking about what to do and over heard one say they couldn’t do much as they were so few.

235754 ▶▶ TJN, replying to wendy, #874 of 1468 🔗

Hi Wendy, I’ve been wondering where you’ve been. Glad you’re back.

235863 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to TJN, 3, #875 of 1468 🔗

Ah, thank you, that is very kind. I got a bit knocked here a while back so lost a bit of confidence then my poor Dad was very poorly at the care home, paramedics, hospital and emergency GP all in one week. I was exhausted. Ended up having a huge argument with my BIL over being treated like a vector of disease. All resulting in not feeling I could bear any more knocks. But I am feeling more robust now and ready to chat here again.

236075 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to wendy, 1, #876 of 1468 🔗

Good to see you’re back. I was wondering about your Dad. I hope he’s as well as can be.

I do recall Biker having a go at you a while back – I don’t know if that’s what you are referring to, but he did apologise a little while afterwards, said he didn’t know what he was writing or against whom, although I don’t know if you saw it.

236194 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to TJN, 1, #877 of 1468 🔗

Ah, I didn’t see Bikers apology. I tried not to take it personally as it was a very hard day to cope with when masks were introduced. We all get bogged down in all this. It’s so good to have people to talk to who feel the same.

236367 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to wendy, #878 of 1468 🔗

Yes, that was the day, as I recall. He apologised a few days later.

235591 Liam, replying to Liam, 72, #879 of 1468 🔗

I sent this message to a friend who had forwarded some inane “obey the rules” meme to me yesterday. It seemed to shock them.

“You think that’s fucking funny? I spend every minute of every day wanting to scream myself hoarse. This is completely insane. The entire planet has committed suicide over a glorified cold. Every day I wake up from nightmares, into the sick, demented horror of this. I have no work, no income, every day I start drinking as soon as my youngest gets home. I think of suicide every day. For Christ’s sake when will people realise that this is a mass mental breakdown over nothing? I can’t bear it anymore.“

235594 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Liam, 24, #880 of 1468 🔗

Yes my feelings exactly. Please know we are here for you though. Please keep going, things will turn. I am thinking of you.

235611 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to wendy, 10, #881 of 1468 🔗

Thank you, I enjoyed your post about the Manchester demo.

235625 ▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Liam, 7, #882 of 1468 🔗

Oh that is good. It was really up lifting to be there.

235601 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Liam, 9, #883 of 1468 🔗

All I can say is I really do feel for you. As they say, hang in there. You will be in my prayers.

235610 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Stephanos, 4, #884 of 1468 🔗

Thank you.

235608 ▶▶ annie, replying to Liam, 19, #885 of 1468 🔗

Your friends are here.
Disobey the rules.
Be strong.

235615 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to annie, 5, #886 of 1468 🔗

Oh I ignore the rules alright.

235620 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Liam, 21, #887 of 1468 🔗

Please know you’re not alone in your feelings Liam, I feel exactly the same though I haven’t suffered your loss yet. And it’s for people like you that have that makes me want to rise up and scream at people for their complacency and compliance. Government propaganda has brought us here, with the public demonising those that can see through the lies.

It will get better, look at the rallies taking place around the country, about 10k in Manchester today. I pray you find the strength to keep fighting and take comfort from your friends on here and your family who need you.

235629 ▶▶ Matt The Cat, replying to Liam, 35, #888 of 1468 🔗

You’re not alone, Liam. Far from it.

Apart from me not having any kids and being fortunate enough to still have plenty of work, I am fully onboard with you. I’m drinking way too much and find myself reliant on sleeping pills to get a good night’s sleep. I’m itching for someone to have a pop at me in the shop for not wearing a face nappy, if only to release some pressure – but nobody ever does.

Me and the other half were due to visit my elderly parents at the end of this month, an exhausting 350 mile round trip. We only get to see them 2 or 3 times a year as we both have jobs and are usually burnt-out by the end of the working week. They told us not to come because they were “worried” about “getting fined £10k”. Fucking idiots. I didn’t have the energy to shout down the phone at just how bloody brainwashed by the TV they have become.

Terrible thing to say, but right now I wish them both dead. Yep – my own parents! They might as well be dead. They’re certainly not living in any way I recognise. Had to share that with someone, somehow. Can’t share with my other half, she’ll think I’ve finally flipped my lid. But I’ve been an avid reader and occasional poster to this site for a long time now, you decent people here have helped keep me sane since March and I reckon this is the best place for me to vent!

You know I think I’m feeling a bit better already…

235647 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Matt The Cat, 6, #889 of 1468 🔗

I understand Matt.

235745 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Liam, 10, #890 of 1468 🔗

Hey chaps, Scepticism is almost over the line now. Hang on in there.

235703 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Matt The Cat, 5, #891 of 1468 🔗

this is one of the aims of the psy-op to drive people apart, especially families. It’s working really well. Don’t let it. Hopefully your parents will go on long enough for this insane shit show to disappear into the past and they will see how wrong they were.

235868 ▶▶▶▶ Matt The Cat, replying to Two-Six, 4, #892 of 1468 🔗

Cheers Two-Six, you’re 100% correct there, and you know I think I mumbled the same thing to my idiot of a mother earlier today about a lot of people having “egg on their faces soon” before hanging up in disgust 🙂
Our day will come!

235894 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Matt The Cat, 3, #893 of 1468 🔗

Yep, a good vent can work wonders.We all need them.
Try an audiobook instead of sleeping pills. Choose one that you are familiar with, but no too familiar, so that it holds your attention but it doesn’t matter if you miss a bit through falling asleep. Works well for me.

235900 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Matt The Cat, 8, #894 of 1468 🔗

Liam, thanks for saying this. I’m awake at 4.30 every morning now due to worry. I’ve lost friends and cannot talk freely to family. People say ‘just talk about other things’ with close friends, but if they’re believers it’s like an elephant in the room.

Sorry, but the whole country which I love is going down the pan with all this compliance which I never dreamed would happen. I’ve lost faith in my fellow human beings. You want me to talk about the weather?

235750 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Liam, 6, #895 of 1468 🔗

People now and again need to be shocked.

People who are close to me, or used to be, have been told quite clearly how I feel about all this . The good ones have stuck by me, even if they don’t always agree 100% with what I say. The bad’uns just blank me after a while – they just stop engaging, probably think I am mad or bad. Rude bastards.

I’ve asked colleagues and acquaintances to please stop asking me how I am.

235788 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Liam, 6, #896 of 1468 🔗

Hang in there Liam, as someone who has been under mental strain over the last few months I understand how you feel.

Stay strong.

235599 Simon Cook, replying to Simon Cook, 1, #897 of 1468 🔗

Good afternoon everyone,

I thought this might be of interest to the board – a little insight or peak behind the curtain if you will into what might drive the ‘mask’ virtue.

I’m not religious myself, but my wife is Portuguese, and our children have attended the local Catholic Primary School for many years. It has a good reputation and both children have been happy there (our eldest is now at Secondary), unfortunately a new interim head took over at the start of this academic year in September.

Early last week she sent out details about wearing masks on the school grounds at drop-off & pick-up, and having spoken with UsForThem I wrote back asking to see a risk assessment. When one considers that the main parental entrance is from a public park, it seems highly irresponsible.

Further to that, upping-the-ante in the Friday newsletter was the following message (the final paragraph bolded by myself) plus a prayer.

Our aim is to keep the school open for all classes for as long as possible. We need all parents to help and follow the school’s collection routine if this is going to happen. Consequently, we need every parent to be patient during collection time. Please wait behind each other in a socially distanced line. Please remember not to chat outside the gates and please do not allow your child/ren to play with other children from different bubbles on the field. We ask that all parents and children go straight home after school rather than gathering in large groups in the park.

A prayer as I put on my mask:
Creator, as I prepare to go into the world,
help me to see the sacrament in the wearing of this cloth
let it be “an outward sign of an inward grace”
a tangible and visible way of living love for my neighbours, as I love myself.
Christ, since my lips will be covered, uncover my heart,
that people would see my smile in the crinkles around my eyes.
Since my voice may be muffled, help me to speak clearly,
not only with my words, but with my actions.
Holy Spirit, as the elastic touches my ears, remind me to listen carefully
and full of care, to all those I meet.
May this simple piece of cloth be shield and banner,
and each breath that it holds, be filled with your love.

Best regards


235604 ▶▶ annie, replying to Simon Cook, 17, #898 of 1468 🔗


235606 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Simon Cook, 8, #899 of 1468 🔗

Please tell me this isn’t real…

235609 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #900 of 1468 🔗

It isn’t real.

235621 ▶▶▶ Simon Cook, replying to Mabel Cow, 10, #901 of 1468 🔗

Sadly MabelCow it is.

Obviously as a faith school, getting prayers with the newsletter isn’t something new, but the previous Head who was a sensible chap, also ensured that the school felt welcoming & inclusive (after all not every child who attends is Catholic).

In fact, as the School was open to children of key workers during Spring & early Summer, he even specifically asked parents not to wear masks on the school grounds – fully aware that instant identification is incredibly important.

This honestly feels quite sinister to be frank and both my wife and I are really unhappy as one might imagine.

235643 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Simon Cook, 4, #902 of 1468 🔗

One could imagine a similar prayer in the newsletter of a church in Bavaria, circa 1940.

235663 ▶▶▶▶▶ Simon Cook, replying to thinkaboutit, 4, #903 of 1468 🔗

Yes quite.

In fact it brought to my mind Paul Bettany’s character Silas in The Da Vinci Code. So sure of his moral righteousness, that pretty much anything was justifiable.

235680 ▶▶▶▶ watashi, replying to Simon Cook, 2, #904 of 1468 🔗

stand strong and refuse

235827 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Simon Cook, 2, #905 of 1468 🔗

You have to nip it in the bud now. A small request to acquiesce to such theatre on the basis of no credible science is not the path a school needs to go down. Keep in mind this is all mission creep and every little rule like this is a step towards something much more sinister. Maybe not in the mind of the head teacher, but it is. That does not have to be your line on this singular issue, rather, focus on the need for evidence and safety of mask use. They will either engage or not. You’ll see their true colours

235607 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Simon Cook, 3, #906 of 1468 🔗

Utterly Satanic.

235622 ▶▶ John P, replying to Simon Cook, #907 of 1468 🔗

Sounds like a very sick joke. Do you have a source for this?

235624 ▶▶▶ Simon Cook, replying to John P, #908 of 1468 🔗

Hi John P,

Yes its in the weekly/fortnightly newsletter that the School sends out to parents on a Friday.

Best regards


235627 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Simon Cook, 6, #909 of 1468 🔗

I’d add:

“And since my brain has turned to mush from lack of oxygen
Please forgive me.”

235631 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Simon Cook, 10, #910 of 1468 🔗

Insane. Absolutely Insane. And couldn’t be less religious in my view.

Using religion to support her own political ideal is pretty low and the hijacking or twisting of religion is a despicable act and supporting a risk control measure, known to cause harm is a misuse of religion.

Please write to them Simon and point out the above. And please also remind them Masks do not work. End of. And report them to the local church that they are involved in for encouraging acts of potential self harm
on the back of god.

235637 ▶▶▶ Simon Cook, replying to Leemc23, 5, #911 of 1468 🔗

Thanks Leemc23,

I think it falls under the Diocese of Portsmouth (although we live in Reading) but yes absolutely I will write to them.

As I say, I’ve involved UsForThem too.

Kindest regards


235712 ▶▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Simon Cook, 1, #912 of 1468 🔗

Good man. And all the best to you. Well done

235659 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Simon Cook, 8, #913 of 1468 🔗

That is a devilish prayer, not a Christian one.

235885 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #914 of 1468 🔗

The ‘Christian’ churches are no such thing. They worship the Devil. The Covid devil.

235673 ▶▶ Sara, replying to Simon Cook, 6, #915 of 1468 🔗

God gave us an immune system, and oxygen to breathe. If we needed masks, then animals and us would have evolved with them. Strangely, many of my Christian friends are absolutely taken in by covid; falling over themselves to express concern and praying hands for anyone who has a positive test result. Perhaps it is because they are too good and trusting, to even consider that the government and news channels could be lying to them.

235685 ▶▶▶ Simon Cook, replying to Sara, 7, #916 of 1468 🔗

Hi Sara, thats an interesting observation and from my own limited experience with my dad (who is a keen member of his local church) I would concur. Naiveté or gullibility – take your pick.

235711 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Sara, 7, #917 of 1468 🔗

My friend is a vicar. I was speaking with her husband yesterday, offering my thoughts for her during this difficult time as she is surely rushed off her feet with all of the extra funerals caused by the pandemic. I think I heard a penny drop.

235971 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to leggy, 1, #918 of 1468 🔗

Nice one!

235761 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Sara, 4, #919 of 1468 🔗

He also gave us tubes to breathe through that filter the air and even contain antibodies and all kinds of other good stuff. They’re called noses.

Masks may protect other people from one’s own viruses in a narrow range of circumstances but breathing in through your mouth with one on is probably worse for you. You tend to do that because they block the air so much.

235884 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Sara, 4, #920 of 1468 🔗

No, it’s because they are credulous, feeble-minded zombies.
Ask them to pray for those driven towards suicide, or dying of neglected cancers.

235682 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Simon Cook, 4, #921 of 1468 🔗

Religious nutter

235690 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #922 of 1468 🔗

Seems far less dangerous than the secular nutters at the Imperial College and London School of hygiene and tropical medicine who actually want to replace the immune system with reliance on pharmaceutical products.

235692 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #923 of 1468 🔗

Crazy face nappy fascists.

235752 ▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to Simon Cook, 8, #924 of 1468 🔗

And the leper said to Jesus, if you are willing, touch me and I will be healed. And Jesus replied, where on earth is your PPE?!?

235775 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Simon Cook, 3, #925 of 1468 🔗

This sounds like a joke but having gone to a Catholic school, unfortunately this is the sort of asinine rubbish is one I’m very familiar with.

235963 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Simon Cook, 1, #926 of 1468 🔗

Really sorry Simon – I can’t bring myself to uptick that – what the F is wrong with teachers???? Particularly primary school teachers (no offence to any sceptic ones here – to be excluded obviously)
I didn’t think that much of most of them before this tbh, but really – they have sunk to new depths.
Where do they get off thinking they have authority over peoples lives – how arrogant are people who think they are in charge of the lives of all the families of the children they teach, inside and outside of school. They really need taking down a peg or 2 IMO.
And it’s filled with bacteria – not love!!!!

236114 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to CGL, 1, #927 of 1468 🔗

I really don’t mean to offend anyone – so apologies if the above appears a massive generalisation. I can’t edit it now.

We have come up against a fair few like this, both in school and teachers we have come across in other areas of life, who seem to believe they should treat adults the same way they treat the children in their class. So it may be that our experience is a bit skewed.

I have seen a comment from earlier, by a primary teacher who says that they don’t know anyone who wants to close the schools again, as the unions are pushing for – this gives me cause to think that maybe we have had a bit of bad luck.

235617 John P, replying to John P, 6, #928 of 1468 🔗

Lockdown scepticism from a Catholic priest:


Some of the language is a little religious for some tastes no doubt, but it is encouraging dissent from a cleric.

235949 ▶▶ annie, replying to John P, 1, #929 of 1468 🔗

I was so mived by thus that I sent him a message of thanks. I’m an Anglican, and my church has failed even more atrociously than the Catholic one, but precious few clergy are willing to admit it.

235639 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 3, #930 of 1468 🔗

Just been sent this info (copied from image)

Klaus Schwab … The people of Liverpool have embraced mass testing in the fight against C-19 assisted by the British Army

Mayor Anderson is preparing to announce mandatory Covid Isolation Camps that will be patrolled by the army to prevent further viral outbreaks

235646 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to PastImperfect, 5, #931 of 1468 🔗

Bring it on Mayor of Liverpool. That will end this government and the lockdown with immediate effect.

235656 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to PastImperfect, 5, #932 of 1468 🔗

But the Mayor has no legal power to order mandatory testing or Covid Isolation camps. That image was – I suspect – from Klaus Schwab and he’s trolling. In any event, the Liverpool testing station is empty, notwithstanding media hype, and there was a big clash between protesters chanting “Shame on you” and Merseyside police on Saturday. Big demo in Manchester today.

235662 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to PastImperfect, 6, #933 of 1468 🔗

This was from. Tweet that appears to be a fake KS account. Set up in Oct 2020 and many off the posts seem to be a piss take

235679 ▶▶ leggy, replying to PastImperfect, 4, #934 of 1468 🔗

It’s a satire account.

235649 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 17, #935 of 1468 🔗

seems like lockdown 2 exists solely to make sure small businesses are finished off

That was my thought as well. The only ones really penalised are the small businesses that were told to close for this lockdown.

235655 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Victoria, 7, #936 of 1468 🔗

They want all of us state owned, a socialist state

235684 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Victoria, 3, #937 of 1468 🔗

Beach here the same today. Busy as a Bank Holiday

235658 John P, replying to John P, 7, #938 of 1468 🔗

Just seen this retweeted by Ivor Cummins:


I hope this is genuine footage. Certainly when I was out yesterday there seemed to be more people on the streets.

235674 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to John P, 7, #939 of 1468 🔗

I was at both Southbank and St James’ Park yesterday, both were pretty bustling.

There were lots of street vendors doing a roaring trade on Southbank and my cousin and I may have indulged in a couple of overpriced pints!

235695 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to John P, 1, #940 of 1468 🔗


235708 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to John P, 1, #941 of 1468 🔗

The volume of people there actually made me genuinely laugh.

235719 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to John P, 4, #942 of 1468 🔗

bring it ON!!!!
This is what we need people just coming out in large numbers everywhere!

City-wide xmas party anybody? New Years eve?

235667 ShropshireLass, replying to ShropshireLass, 2, #943 of 1468 🔗

Can anyone remember the name and the position title of the person responsible for the PCR tests who resigned earlier this year because of their concerns about how the tests were being conducted, including using unsuitable facilities and untrained staff and also the unreliability of the PCR tests themselves, especially numbers of false positives? It and their position were mentioned in 2 LS newsletters (including a recent one) but I have gone back to 4 Nov so far and failed to find it. Info required to support another letter to my MP and to back up my points refuting the accuracy of ‘case’ figures on my local FB group! Thanks in anticipation

235687 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to ShropshireLass, 1, #944 of 1468 🔗

Kate Baker by the look of it.

235697 ▶▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to Anothersceptic2, #945 of 1468 🔗

Thanks – thought it was a man for some reason. Which LS newsletter edition was it in, or did you find it on Google? Is their title mentioned anywhere?

235704 ▶▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to ShropshireLass, 2, #946 of 1468 🔗

I had a vague memory from one of Mike Yeadon’s interviews that it was kate something so I just literally googled “kate pcr” and it was the first hit 🙂

235735 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to ShropshireLass, 1, #947 of 1468 🔗
235796 ▶▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #948 of 1468 🔗

Thanks BeBopRockSteady. I thought it was a bloke, but must have mis-remembered the original post in the LS newsletter – thought he was head or director of the PCR testing programme.

235669 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 11, #949 of 1468 🔗

Anyone naive enough to think that these psychopaths will “allow” us large family gatherings next summer needs a good shake.

235702 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to mattghg, 4, #950 of 1468 🔗

No pandemic, even this pantomime can last this long. Next summer…..probably could see them trying to, but like the Virus itself the public has, it seems, run out of puff.

235671 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 10, #951 of 1468 🔗

Lockdowns are so stupid and so destructive I can’t believe their advocacy is even legal. Maybe it should be made illegal and advocates prosecuted in retrospect. You could start by stripping them of assets to give to their victims.


235677 ▶▶ leggy, replying to steve_w, 10, #952 of 1468 🔗

They’re obviously illegal. The 1984 act permitted control of the sick, not the healthy.

235739 ▶▶ Julian, replying to steve_w, 13, #953 of 1468 🔗

We should all remember, and remind those who deem US “controversial”, that lockdowns are untried and were never recommended by anyone, including the WHO. SWEDEN have followed the pandemic playbook – most other countries have gone into very unorthodox territory.

235797 ▶▶▶ LS99, replying to Julian, 3, #954 of 1468 🔗

Great reminder of this – thank you.

235675 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 4, #955 of 1468 🔗

Latest figures “Infections” 20572, deaths with/from who knows 156. Therefore lockdown working.

235678 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to arfurmo, 2, #956 of 1468 🔗

peak number of infected in society peaked on 4t of november
peak number of new infections peaked on 31st october


(obviously with caveats about data integrity)

235683 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to arfurmo, 3, #957 of 1468 🔗

Even the govt are going to have difficulty spinning that one I fear.

235693 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #958 of 1468 🔗

They might try and say “we did a voluntary lockdown” before it was imposed and pretend we’re all still complying.

235700 ▶▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to DRW, 3, #959 of 1468 🔗

No one I’ve seen seems remotely interested in complying. Even the dreaded Mask seems to be deployed to avoid the agro from a Mary Whitehouse type clone.

235716 ▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Leemc23, 2, #960 of 1468 🔗

The “Quad” and SAGE are long detatched from reality, a fresh flavour of bullshit will be nothing for them.

235699 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #961 of 1468 🔗

No no no. The cases today are the order book for 2 weeks time. Everything is still to come 50,000 cases a day remember. It’s not really 20,000 at all. It could be 12 million and fifty two. Only Prof Ferguson knows.

235721 ▶▶▶▶ The Diplomat, replying to Leemc23, 8, #962 of 1468 🔗

No…..they will find a bucket load of “cases” and death stats at 4am in a rear alley and start counting them….sorry; getting confused with the US Election

235944 ▶▶ annie, replying to arfurmo, #963 of 1468 🔗

The two-day miracle.

236195 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to arfurmo, #964 of 1468 🔗


235688 Kelly deacons, replying to Kelly deacons, 28, #965 of 1468 🔗

Great turn out at local cenotaph,public not wearing masks.Of course the important people were….MP,Officials etc.Lady mayoress in her cloak,three cornered hat and black mask had a remarkable resemblance to dick turpin-I was just waiting for her to slap her thighs.

Important official telling us plebs to stand back…..I told him No,I was staying put and that I was fed up being told where to stand.

When leaving, a pleasant looking masked WPC nodded to me and appeared to be smiling with her eyes.I gave her the coldest hostile stare I could muster…..to be honest,she flinched,looked upset and looked away.Tough.I have never before been hostile to Police,but they have *chosen*their side….and I have chosen mine.

235706 ▶▶ common conservative, replying to Kelly deacons, 2, #966 of 1468 🔗

You’re a maverick, Kelly!

235740 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to Kelly deacons, 3, #967 of 1468 🔗

I think that’s a shame Kelly. If it had been me I would have commented on how pretty her smiling eyes were and asked her to lower it so you could see her face and smile.

No doubt there are some in the police who revel in the power they think they have but there will also, no doubt, be those who don’t feel comfortable with what they’re doing in the name of policing.


235846 ▶▶▶ common conservative, replying to DavidC, #968 of 1468 🔗

Ah, the ‘only following orders’ coppers. Let’s grant that they exist. So what? What good are they? That they do *nothing* makes them utterly complicit.

235757 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Kelly deacons, 9, #969 of 1468 🔗

Not surprised at your reaction to the WPC. Every time I see police now, I cross the street to avoid them especially if they’re muzzled. They give me the creeps.

235765 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #970 of 1468 🔗

Like the watchmen TV series

235998 ▶▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Jaguarpig, #971 of 1468 🔗

Combine Civil Protection from Half Life 2

235807 ▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Bart Simpson, 11, #972 of 1468 🔗

66 years on planet Earth, not a speeding ticket or a parking fine and I no longer trust the police.

235829 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to FenTyger, 10, #973 of 1468 🔗

How many people have wondered about Nazi Germany, or any other dictatorship:

“How could it have happened”

We know now.

235941 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to calchas, 6, #974 of 1468 🔗

Got it in one.
Concentration camps in the fens, neighbours queuing up to denounce one another, kids in the Hitler Youth, Jews hunted through the streets by baying mobs …
But they had Churchill then. Decency bred decency, courage courage, determination bred victory.
And now look what we’ve got.

235694 MDH, replying to MDH, 34, #975 of 1468 🔗

Greetings fellow sceptics. More encouraging signs, this time from Kent. My interpretation of a “reasonable distance” to travel for exercise is about 30 miles into the countryside for a nine-mile walk through the Eden Valley.

It’s a sign of the times that I was convinced we would be stopped by Lilly Law as we drove out, but as it goes, the only police we saw – masked and numerous – outside a church near Biggin Hill, possibly to “help” the Remembrance service attendees to maintain antisocial distancing.

Anyway, we’ve just been for a wonderful walk and encountered dozens of others out enjoying the fresh air and unseasonably mild temperatures. No masks, no social distancing, and no angst. A couple of pubs were open for takeaway, and a few shops were selling coffee, etc.

It seems to me, coupled with yesterday’s walk in a south London park, that people just want to get on with their lives. There is no fear of contagion any more from what increasingly looks like a pivotal number of people.

The government should throw in the towel now, and do its best to save face. But why should it show any level of competence after all this time? So expect the Lockdown That Never Was to dribble on for a few more weeks at least.

235728 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to MDH, 9, #976 of 1468 🔗

Similar experience yesterday.

I went to Felixstowe for the day with a friend of mine. Beautiful weather, lots of people out enjoying the day and I don’t remember seeing any masks apart from the staff in the kitchen at the fish and chip restaurant here we bought lunch (the restaurant itself closed so served at a takeaway window). No one in the queue masked and some pleasant exchanges (non Covid related!) with other people out walking. A lovely, almost totally normal, day out.


235865 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to MDH, 2, #977 of 1468 🔗

Oh that I could see it in those terms. I could rest easy. It’s a global ‘pandemic’ not a little national hiccup. We are in lockstep with most our European neighbours, under the influence of the WHO, WEF et al.

We’ve got new threats to our personal liberties springing up every day with Health passports, testing of kids in schools, vaccinations. This is not going to end anytime soon.

235696 NickR, 8, #978 of 1468 🔗

Just in case anyone was worried that hospitals were in increasing danger of being overwhelmed here’s the latest data released on the Government website.
12 days & still flatlining. Funny, I haven’t seen the BBC post this.
No impact yet from Tier 3, still 10 days away from any impact from the Lockdown.

235709 NickR, replying to NickR, 17, #979 of 1468 🔗

….. and deaths for the last 12 days straight from the government website. Shall you tell the people being made redundant or should I that there isn’t any sign of a health service being overwhelmed? https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths

235720 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to NickR, 8, #980 of 1468 🔗

Anyone that has been regularly looking at that site knows that we’ve not had any problems since May/June. It’s only the government that seem to be ignoring that, anyone with half a brain can see the truth.

235723 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Anothersceptic2, 6, #981 of 1468 🔗

We didn’t have any problems in March and April either for that matter!

235714 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 33, #982 of 1468 🔗

To all those fat fuckers of the NHS who are sitting at home on their fat arses, get back to work and go on a diet. No work = no pay.

Where can I get a rebate on my NI.

235804 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to stefarm, #983 of 1468 🔗

You can’t. NI has nothing to do with the NHS. It’s just a tax.

235817 ▶▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to Lucan Grey, 4, #984 of 1468 🔗

My understanding is that N.I. funds (or used to) just under 20% of the NHS budget. Given the exorbitant cost of ‘our’ NHS, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to ask if we’re getting value for money.


235715 John Galt, replying to John Galt, 10, #985 of 1468 🔗

Draconian police , some of the videos I’ve collected so far:

Army Veteran piper assaulted by Met police while commemorating Remembrance Sunday


Scuffles at anti-lockdown protest in sleepy Cotswold town of Stroud


Sainsburys, West Midlands – Where’s your face mask? Leave or be arrested.


Sergeant Robbie Jephcott 2343 goes off the rails in a shameful, ego fuelled display of aggression toward a driver who refuses to follow his unlawful demands.


Condescending policeman attempts to bully unmasked man


This is the moment a 73-year-old woman was arrested after taking her mum, 97, from a care home to look after her.


Hospital in England currently holding a new born baby ‘hostage’ unless the mother takes a Coronavirus test for her and her baby, mother and child are both fine with no symptoms.


Police arrest gym owner in Harlow, Essex this morning!


236104 ▶▶ wat tyler, replying to John Galt, #986 of 1468 🔗

I think the sainsburys one is old and the police apologised last month .

235725 JamesDrebin, replying to JamesDrebin, #987 of 1468 🔗

Anyone else been logged out because of a brute force attack on their account?

235731 ▶▶ Liam, replying to JamesDrebin, 2, #988 of 1468 🔗


235791 ▶▶▶ JamesDrebin, replying to Liam, #989 of 1468 🔗

Anything come of it? Should I be concerned?

235727 Andrea Salford, replying to Andrea Salford, 8, #990 of 1468 🔗

Now that Biden has ‘won’, at least according to the propaganda put out by the Trump hating MSM, I expect the narrative to change and the extremes of lockdown to be pulled back. The string pulling climate changersXR/lefty/woke/BLMers all have what they want…..or so they think. The infighting will begin and slowly the ‘old normal’ will return.

235734 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Andrea Salford, 16, #991 of 1468 🔗

Au contraire I think they will press on, encouraged by their victories. Why stop now?

Anyway, the PM and the other traitors are in this very deep and need to keep it going or their careers are finished.

235743 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Julian, 2, #992 of 1468 🔗

It’s not like they have won (if they have) anything like comfortably. No, they will not let up the pressure. And that means keeping the most extreme elements on side.

235755 ▶▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Ovis, 5, #993 of 1468 🔗

A nest of vipers, eventually they will turn on and extinguish themselves.

That is my hope and prayer.

235749 ▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Julian, 5, #994 of 1468 🔗

The power mad are loving the power, the lazy are loving the free money and many are loving the drama. But where can they go with it?

235753 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Andrea Salford, 1, #995 of 1468 🔗

Well I don’t know why someone would actively try and ruin their own country, but it takes all sorts.

235763 ▶▶▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Julian, 3, #996 of 1468 🔗

Me neither, but in the last few years my eyes have been opened to things I never thought humanly possible. Many in the name of the good of the people.

235979 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Julian, 1, #997 of 1468 🔗

Money,blackmail advancement,ideology,take your pick.Patriotism is very thin on the ground if you haven’t noticed.

236014 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #998 of 1468 🔗

Indeed. I’m an awful person, without doubt, but however selfish I am, in ruining my own country I am shooting myself in the foot. I guess they live in some bubble where the shit we have to live with doesn’t affect them.

236151 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Julian, 1, #999 of 1468 🔗

I suspect they are well provided for.

235729 Jim Binks, replying to Jim Binks, 42, #1000 of 1468 🔗

Had a lovely evening yesterday at my in laws. Let a load of fireworks off to advertise the fact we were not complying with lockdown. We left at about 8pm. This morning got a telephone call from sister in law to say that two police officers had called at about 1030pm to say that they had received reports of COVID-19 breaches. Both officers were polite and professional, they asked if they could entre the house and check. They were politely refused and after a short time left. The funny part of the story was that across the road five adults sneaked out of neighbour’s house who where a children’s party had been held in the afternoon. Its not lockdown if you do not comply.

235744 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Jim Binks, 10, #1001 of 1468 🔗

They don’t have the power to enter your house without your consent in England, Wales they do have the power to enter if they suspect someone is breaking the rules.

235756 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Anothersceptic2, 6, #1002 of 1468 🔗

Wales is Marxist

235782 ▶▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Cecil B, #1003 of 1468 🔗

They love a bit of authoritarianism

235764 ▶▶▶ Jim Binks, replying to Anothersceptic2, 10, #1004 of 1468 🔗

Thanks the officers were very professional according to my sister in law. The officers are being placed in a very awkward position.

235780 ▶▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Jim Binks, 4, #1005 of 1468 🔗

They should chase murderers and rapists instead. Surely they have better things to do?

Though I suspect Covid-specific units have been set up for answering these calls. They’ll get some scalps from those who don’t understand the law.

235930 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Jim Binks, 3, #1006 of 1468 🔗

They know we are never going to trust them again after this – whether it’s their fault or not – it doesn’t matter really. The consent has already been lost now.

235773 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Jim Binks, 14, #1007 of 1468 🔗

Good for you.

I have non-snitch agreements in place with neighbours opposite and to each side.

Crucially, never let the police in and then they are powerless.

All these fools getting fined let the police in.

235876 ▶▶ annie, replying to Jim Binks, 2, #1008 of 1468 🔗

Asked, did they? They didn’t knock her down and force a face nappy on her and then ransack the house?
I’m surprised.
Who snitched?

235732 NickR, replying to NickR, 21, #1009 of 1468 🔗

Toby’s revelation about hospital staff being allowed to opt not to work resulting in agency staff being recruited at higher costs brings the madness home.
Monopolies are bad things, they distort markets, but you can have a monopoly employer as well as a monopoly supplier. Collective bargaining between public sector unions & the NHS means that nurses don’t get paid the rate for the job unless they move away from the monopoly employer the NHS.
If the NHS offered say a £10,000 or a £20,000 bonus for the next 3 months there’d be a load of nurses turn up. The price mechanism would solve the problem, a £100,000 bonus would bring nurses from Germany by the train load. These things can be fixed, all you need is a government that believes in free markets & a bit of political will.

235792 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to NickR, 2, #1010 of 1468 🔗

Yeah, but, Nick, you don’t understand, the government ‘doesn’t have the money’…

(sarc off….)

235801 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to NickR, -3, #1011 of 1468 🔗

Where are all these spare nurses coming from? And what happens to the places they have come from who are now short of nurses?

There is a supply side shortage of nurses, and they take a long time to produce. It’s not an ice cream cone.

The price mechanism would then require a reduction in demand since the supply is actually inelastic. Who are you expecting to suffer the reduction so we can have more?

Half the problem is believing price mechanisms have some magic in them. They don’t.

235836 ▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to Lucan Grey, 1, #1012 of 1468 🔗

Nursing is a vocation that shouldn’t require a degree to prove that they care.

235897 ▶▶▶ NickR, replying to Lucan Grey, 4, #1013 of 1468 🔗

Apparently more Malawi trained doctors work in the NHS than in Malawi! We already raid the 3rd world for health professionals. It’s a bit late to get moral about it now.

235967 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Lucan Grey, #1014 of 1468 🔗

The world is built on price mechanism.Supply and demand is an iron law of economics.If you have less of something then you have to pay more to get it.

235733 Jakehadlee, replying to Jakehadlee, 53, #1015 of 1468 🔗

Mail has gone full sceptic and people ignoring lockdown. I think the end is near folks

235736 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Jakehadlee, 27, #1016 of 1468 🔗

I really hope you’re right. 🤞

235818 ▶▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 21, #1017 of 1468 🔗

The Mail – for all its manifest faults – is the smartest reader of public mood of any newspaper and it only turns when it knows the end is coming.

For papers like the Guardian – and for the BBC – a turn now would be utter humiliation. They are screwed and will be looking forward to taking their dogs and Luger into the bunker now

235933 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Jakehadlee, 7, #1018 of 1468 🔗

In a year’s time, the Beeb will be fearlessly exposing the Great Covid Lie, in which they were not the least little bit complicit.
As for the Grauniad, I think it will be a case of the ship of sanity sailing without the sinking rats.

235758 ▶▶ Will, replying to Jakehadlee, 30, #1019 of 1468 🔗

It is very close now. The only reason we have gone through this autumn ripple is because the overly long and hard lockdown pushed infections artificially into the autumn. Lockdown has actually caused more “covid deaths” imho because people have been infected when their immune systems are less robust than they would have been if they had been exposed to the virus in the sunshine of April, May and June.

235915 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Will, 2, #1020 of 1468 🔗

You would get an Autumn ripple anyway because R0 is higher in the Autumn. There may be a little bit of leftover pandemic mixed in with that, it’s hard to say.

235800 ▶▶ chris, replying to Jakehadlee, -2, #1021 of 1468 🔗

Who owns all of the MSM, not the voters. False hope!

235806 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Jakehadlee, 8, #1022 of 1468 🔗

They are definitely struggling to keep fear up.

235924 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to DRW, 7, #1023 of 1468 🔗

Didn’t see much fear yesterday – our outing in the local woods was busier than it ever was even in the summer. One lady we went past, was laughing and saying to us – “like Piccadilly Circus isn’t it”. All smiles we were. And you couldn’t have squeezed another car in if you’d wanted to in any of the car park areas – rammed it was. Not 1 muzzle to be seen.

235975 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to CGL, 2, #1024 of 1468 🔗

yep, never seen it so busy, really.

235737 richmond, replying to richmond, #1025 of 1468 🔗

What do we make of the rise in covid cases in Swindon?

235742 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to richmond, #1026 of 1468 🔗

is it a labour council?

235768 ▶▶▶ richmond, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1027 of 1468 🔗

Tory, marginally. Why?

It’s a big rise in cases in Swindon General Hospital.

235771 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to richmond, 5, #1028 of 1468 🔗

Just wondered, my theory is that labour councils are trying to kill the tories with testing bullshit and harsher covid bollocks.

235825 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Two-Six, -1, #1029 of 1468 🔗

Oh not more ‘poor ickle Tories’ bollocks. It’s a more widespresd disease than Covid.

235837 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to RickH, 2, #1030 of 1468 🔗

Don’t you think that might be a significant factor in Corona bollocks? The fake left trying to de-rail brexit and kill the fascist tories with being extra scared of the covids?

Same with the dems and trump. Kill the fascists (on stage) covid madness?

Then, a Communitarian global uotopia, a political hybrid of fascism and communism. Two cheeks of the same anti-human backside.

235908 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sceptical Lefty, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1031 of 1468 🔗

No. It’s about panic and ineptitude

235958 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Two-Six, 3, #1032 of 1468 🔗

The tories and labour both own this.

235777 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to richmond, 4, #1033 of 1468 🔗

Probably nothing unusual for the time of year. IF admissions of people are higher its because they are super unhealthy after 7 months of lockdown.

235784 ▶▶ theanalyst, replying to richmond, 3, #1034 of 1468 🔗

Possibly just crap / wfh journalism again.

There appears to be a decreasing / non growth trend in the community, like everywhere else. I’ve no idea why healthy people get tested other that they have to (care and hospital residents, patients and workers…every week)

Swindon had 81 so called cases on 02/11 (highest point) versus 71 cases a week earlier on 26/10 (previous recent high point). Why report 40 new cases? Crap journalists.


Swindon had 19 cases a day in April when only the seriously ill were being tested. Clearly there would have been many more as that was during the historical Covid19 epidemic which ended in May.

I hate lazy journalism.

235823 ▶▶ RickH, replying to richmond, #1035 of 1468 🔗

“cases” Do you have to ask?

235851 ▶▶ helen, replying to richmond, #1036 of 1468 🔗

https://archive.is/EAIfp#selection-497.0-693.2 Detection of 2019 novel coronavirus
Euro Surveill . 2020 Jan 23; 25(3): 2000045.
doi: 10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2020.25.3.2000045

PMCID: PMC6988269

PMID: 31992387

Detection of 2019 novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) by real-time RT-PCR

Victor M Corman , 1 Olfert Landt , 2 Marco Kaiser , 2 Richard Molenkamp , 3 Adam Meijer , 4 Daniel KW Chu , 5 Tobias Bleicker , 1 Sebastian Brünink , 1 Julia Schneider , 1 Marie Luisa Schmidt , 1 Daphne GJC Mulders , 3 Bart L Haagmans , 3 Bas van der Veer , 4 Sharon van den Brink , 4 Lisa Wijsman , 4 Gabriel Goderski , 4 Jean-Louis Romette , 6 Joanna Ellis , 7 Maria Zambon , 7 Malik Peiris , 5 Herman Goossens , 8 Chantal Reusken , 4 Marion PG Koopmans , 3 and Christian Drosten
1ConclusionThe present study demonstrates the enormous response capacity achieved through coordination of academic and public laboratories in national and European research networks.
Keywords: novel coronavirus, RT-PCR, testing, laboratory, diagnostics, Wuhan, 2019-nCoV, outbreak

Go to:

IntroductionAccording to the World Health Organization (WHO), the WHO China Country Office was informed of cases of pneumonia of unknown aetiology in Wuhan City, Hubei Province, on 31 December 2019 [ 1 ]. A novel coronavirus currently termed 2019-nCoV was officially announced as the causative agent by Chinese authorities on 7 January. A viral genome sequence was released for immediate public health support via the community online resource virological.org on 10 January (Wuhan-Hu-1, GenBank accession number MN908947 [ 2 ]), followed by four other genomes deposited on 12 January in the viral sequence database curated by the Global Initiative on Sharing All Influenza Data (GISAID). The genome sequences suggest presence of a virus closely related to the members of a viral species termed severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS)-related CoV, a species defined by the agent of the 2002/03 outbreak of SARS in humans [ 3 , 4 ]. The species also comprises a large number of viruses mostly detected in rhinolophid bats in Asia and Europe.
As at 20 January 2019, 282 laboratory-confirmed human cases have been notified to WHO [ 5 ]. Confirmed cases in travellers from Wuhan were announced on 13 and 17 January in Thailand as well as on 15 January in Japan and 19 January in Korea. The extent of human-to-human transmission of 2019-nCoV is unclear at the time of writing of this report but there is evidence of some human-to-human transmission.
Among the foremost priorities to facilitate public health interventions is reliable laboratory diagnosis. In acute respiratory infection, RT-PCR is routinely used to detect causative viruses from respiratory secretions. We have previously demonstrated the feasibility of introducing robust detection technology based on real-time RT-PCR in public health laboratories during international health emergencies by coordination between public and academic laboratories [ 6 12 ]. In all of these situations, virus isolates were available as the primary substrate for establishing and controlling assays and assay performance.
In the present case of 2019-nCoV, virus isolates or samples from infected patients have so far not become available to the international public health community. We report here on the establishment and validation of a diagnostic workflow for 2019-nCoV screening and specific confirmation, designed in absence of available virus isolates or original patient specimens. Design and validation were enabled by the close genetic relatedness to the 2003 SARS-CoV, and aided by the use of synthetic nucleic acid technology.

235877 ▶▶ leggy, replying to richmond, 2, #1037 of 1468 🔗

I’m more concerned about the rise in cases of the public being shot dead by police in Swindon.

235760 Will, replying to Will, 1, #1038 of 1468 🔗

Anyone know what is happening in Sweden?

235774 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Will, 4, #1039 of 1468 🔗

In what respect? Was pretty normal when I left on Tuesday. Only about 50% mask compliance at Arlanda, 0% in the lounge at the airport.

235778 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Will, 12, #1040 of 1468 🔗

Malmo FF 3 Sirius 0 at halftime

235850 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Will, 4, #1041 of 1468 🔗

Huge mink coat sales

235769 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 66, #1042 of 1468 🔗

To all those so called police officers who signed up to ‘make a difference’, ‘help their community’ and ‘catch bad guys’.

Fuck off, you are a disgrace to your uniform and the people you serve.

Take a long hard look in the mirror and decide if you signed up for this.

235770 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to stefarm, 17, #1043 of 1468 🔗

Choose your side

235787 ▶▶ TJN, replying to stefarm, 16, #1044 of 1468 🔗

Is that really completely fair though? I’m sure that for their monthly pay cheque most police officers have to attend incidents and deal with situations that many of us would find utterly repellent and extremely upsetting. Maybe they deserve a bit of slack at times – they are human too. I had a bit of a run-in (polite, but firm) with a WPC early in all this, and she said that she joined to help out the community. I’m sure she meant what she said.

One of the frightening facets of the covid hysteria is the prospect of society fragmenting and tearing itself apart. We see it on here, and in The Spectator and The Telegraph comments, with contributors having a go at public sector workers, without any apparent justification. It doesn’t sit easy with me.

235802 ▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to TJN, 3, #1045 of 1468 🔗

I get the anger but we should instead appeal to officers’ good sense of proportion. If they apply the four Es and go after the raves rather than the small, discreet family gatherings then I think they can say they have discharged their duties and listened to their consciences too.

235808 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to jhfreedom, 19, #1046 of 1468 🔗

No – the job of the police is to enforce the law against real criminals.

As long as ravers don’t bother anyone else they should be able to rave.

They are also free human beings and have a right to associate with each other.

Life. liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

235814 ▶▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to calchas, 6, #1047 of 1468 🔗

Agreed. We’re all free or nobody is.

235835 ▶▶▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to calchas, 1, #1048 of 1468 🔗

Ok yes in an ideal world. But the police are deployed to enforce the law and I would just appeal to their sense of proportion. Its a big ask to expect them to refuse to do their jobs. Though we may yet get there…

235854 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to jhfreedom, 5, #1049 of 1468 🔗

Enforce the law, OK. Enforce illegal legislation? Use force against peaceful demonstrators? No body should consent to the legislation in the unlawful Coronavirus Act.

235978 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to PastImperfect, 2, #1050 of 1468 🔗

The fault lies with every strata in society. They shouldn’t be put in this position. Who’s fault is that?

235847 ▶▶▶▶ Jo, replying to jhfreedom, 10, #1051 of 1468 🔗

Good luck with that. personally I’d rather see them going after violent criminals, sexual offenders and burglars.

235952 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to jhfreedom, -3, #1052 of 1468 🔗

You can’t break the law a little bit.
Meeting others is either illegal or it isn’t.

235812 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to TJN, 20, #1053 of 1468 🔗

I’m sure the Gestapo, the SS, and Stasi thought they were serving their communities.

It is however a cop (sorry) out.

People know right from wrong. They have a free will. They will have to account for their actions

The idea that you can do wrong because everybody else is doing it does not wash

It is not an acceptable excuse for bad behaviour today to say I behaved myself yesterday

Real people are dying at the hands of this regime

Those who collaborate must be dealt with when the time comes

235831 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1054 of 1468 🔗

Clearly, there have been some problems – many of them well publicised – with the police response to the coronavirus regulations. But it strikes me that, outside of the major demonstrations, the number of such incidents has actually been quite small.

I say that after having had two run-ins with the police during this tragedy – one of which I could possibly have made a complaint about (I didn’t).

What are the police supposed to do? Say they are not going to enforce a law or regulation because they don’t agree with it? That really would be half way to a police state.

I’d rather have our police than just about anywhere else in Europe. Sure they have faults and have made mistakes, but there has to be leeway on both sides.

I haven’t worn a mask yet. Don’t think I’d have got away with that on the Continent.

235841 ▶▶▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to TJN, 4, #1055 of 1468 🔗

So true. There is an authoritarian tradition in Europe which we don’t share. Still some reasons to be thankful to be in England. Some…

235859 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jo, replying to jhfreedom, #1056 of 1468 🔗

Slightly better than utterly crap

235860 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Jo, #1057 of 1468 🔗

“Always look on the bright side of life!”

235925 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Jo, #1058 of 1468 🔗

or death?

235844 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to TJN, 4, #1059 of 1468 🔗

You are entitled to our opinion

If you think men hitting defencless women with long batons is OK that’s a matter for you

235848 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1060 of 1468 🔗

I don’t.

235895 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to TJN, 4, #1061 of 1468 🔗

Then chose your side

235993 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1062 of 1468 🔗

I choose my side on 23 March 2020, and had my first run-in with the police on the 27th.

235976 ▶▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to TJN, 3, #1063 of 1468 🔗

Sorry but after the police response to the person in the supermarket yesterday and the piper today, Fuck em, they are an absolute disgrace.

235983 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Will, 3, #1064 of 1468 🔗

But this is not helpful, Will. This is falling into the trap the psyops teams have set for us. They want us and the police to hate one another. They want us to say and believe that, because two are bad, therefore all are bad.

236153 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Rosie, 1, #1065 of 1468 🔗

Exactly. Divide and rule. We must not play into their hands.

235815 ▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to TJN, 12, #1066 of 1468 🔗

Public sector getting paid to sit at home doing sweet FA is not the same as the thick blue line waddling about telling people they need to mask up. Or harassing veterans. Or pushing bagpipers over.
Fuck em. They do nothing. You have to threaten to do wrong to motivate them to do their fucking jobs.
So fuck your sanctimonious bullshit ok?

235821 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Chris John, -8, #1067 of 1468 🔗

‘Sanctimonious bullshit’ is what you’ve just written in response to TJN’s comment.

235819 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to TJN, 33, #1068 of 1468 🔗

I think it is fair. There have been times when I have needed the police. Times when, as a lone woman, I have been afraid and in need of help and they have been found wanting, and badly so. My business has been burgled, trashed; I have had drugged yobbos come into the shop and threaten us and customers and the police did nothing. But four months ago I let a blind lady sit down inside and the police acted on a tip-off from some fuckwit who dobbed me in. They thought it was a good use of police resources to come and investigate – they had the option to tell this idiot to go do one, but they didn’t. Far easier to intimidate a couple of middle-aged business owners than square up to real criminals.

Sorry TJN but I really disagree with you on this. My trust in the police is gone for good.

235845 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to kh1485, 5, #1069 of 1468 🔗

Actually, you make some fair comments here. The reason for these problems run deep though, I would think.

But the main point of my post is that I think we must be careful as a society not to turn against ourselves. And I wrote it as someone who has, for example, never had to attend an RTA.

235867 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to TJN, 8, #1070 of 1468 🔗

OK. But I’m not the one turning against anyone. My distrust of the police has existed for many years – from when I was a young woman and I was let down very badly when I needed help (when I tried to complain, they just lied). The latest incident has just cemented that feeling of distrust.

And yes, it must be traumatic for anyone in the emergency services to witness the horrors they do (my father was a fireman so I know all about that) but that doesn’t get them off the hook – at least in my eyes – for the apparent enthusiasm with which they are coming down with disproportionate heavy-handedness on people like me when they turn a blind eye to real crime.

Sorry, think we will have to agree to disagree on this.

235912 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to kh1485, 6, #1071 of 1468 🔗

No need to be sorry kh. It’s always fine to have a discussion with someone coming from a different perspective. Sorry to hear about your experiences, especially when you were younger. Clearly, here are problems with policing in this country. Just as clearly, there have been problems in dealing with the cv regulations – especially during demonstrations.

But the original post I responded to was basically telling all police to fuck off, even if they joined up to do good as they saw it. I disagree with that, and am quite happy to take the criticism for saying it.

235968 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to TJN, 2, #1072 of 1468 🔗

Supporting TJN in this debate. I’ve had terrific encounters with police. Out society has become corrupted and rotten, but it’s not East Germany yet.

The gov is actively trying to force a police state on us – to go from a position where, in theory and sometimes/often in practice, the bobby on the beat is one of and serves the public …. to one where they are an enforcement arm of tyranny.

We should not be helping the gov. Feel very strongly about this, and very distressed, we need to try to keep things as they should be, not loudly declaim them to be the very thing we do not want.

236156 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Rosie, 1, #1073 of 1468 🔗

The Met police seem much less reasonable than other forces. Yes, we’ve seen a handful of ignorant little jobsworths throwing their weight about in other parts of the country but there seems to be a real nastiness at the heart of the Met.

236274 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cheezilla, #1074 of 1468 🔗

Yep, this has been the case for a long time. SPG anyone ?

235927 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to kh1485, 4, #1075 of 1468 🔗

Yrah, they’re always around when there’s no danger – to them.

235822 ▶▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to TJN, 5, #1076 of 1468 🔗

That may be true but I’ll never support them Or assist them in any way again

235869 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Jakehadlee, #1077 of 1468 🔗

There are police constables and police officers. As I understand it, constables keep the peace – i.e. deal with common law problems – person-on-person crimes. Officers deal with infractions of legislation and statutes.

235833 ▶▶ dommo, replying to stefarm, 1, #1078 of 1468 🔗

hear! hear!

235809 RickH, replying to RickH, -11, #1079 of 1468 🔗

The Sunday Times ‘s Tim Shipman reveals that a member of Biden’s campaign team has accused Johnson of making “racist comments” in the past …”

Wow! So Biden’s team got something right …. and the Sunday Times has just caught up with the bleedin’ obvious.

Hold the front page!

235861 ▶▶ common conservative, replying to RickH, 10, #1080 of 1468 🔗

Your idiosyncratic understanding of ‘racism’, while a source of amusement for rational humans, has no currency here, Ricky.

235879 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to common conservative, 7, #1081 of 1468 🔗

Let him ride his hobby horses, Danny.

235905 ▶▶▶ Sceptical Lefty, replying to common conservative, -4, #1082 of 1468 🔗

Speak for yourself. We aren’t all right wing.

235911 ▶▶▶▶ common conservative, replying to Sceptical Lefty, 6, #1083 of 1468 🔗

Marvellous to see you equate properly defining terms with the right. One wouldn’t go that far – the old left still has its rational adherents (though they appear to be few and far between) – but one understands that you’re on to something.

236090 ▶▶▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to common conservative, 4, #1084 of 1468 🔗

I thought yesterday people had decided to put all the left right shit to bed and unite against lock down .I’m on the left but the only thing i care about is when push comes to shove that the person next to me has my back and i have his .For those who don’t know it’s called camaraderie .

236413 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ common conservative, replying to wat tyler, #1085 of 1468 🔗

1. ‘Sceptical Lefty’ brought up the subject. One merely responded.

2. Yes, one notes that it’s almost invariably leftists who suddenly want to drop the left/right distinction. Could it be because old school leftists are utterly embarrassed by the left’s swivel-eyed march towards insanity?

3. On (2), there’s no conflict here. There’s room for ‘camaraderie’ while recognising traditional political positions have not magically disappeared.

236000 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to RickH, 2, #1086 of 1468 🔗

Biden is so far gone he’ll probably expect Al Johnson to sing Mammy over the phone to him, perhaps BJ will black up for extra brownnosey points.

While they’re at it team Biden might like to review the Big Guy’s treatment of Clarence Thomas.

236299 ▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #1087 of 1468 🔗

I heard reports coming out that he asked ‘Now I’ve won, when do I move into the big house Buckingham Palace?’

236023 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to RickH, #1088 of 1468 🔗

@Rick H. Someone I was talking to the other day said that he’d got it on good authority that apparently you said that ****s are ****y, and that ******* ****** was a dirty ***** ******. So don’t try and pretend you’re virtuous. You’ve been outed!

236042 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Barney McGrew, 4, #1089 of 1468 🔗

If you’re still thinking in terms of left and right, you got on the wrong bus. It’s literally right vs wrong now, good vs evil.

236084 ▶▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to leggy, #1090 of 1468 🔗

I think you completely missed the point!

235811 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 20, #1091 of 1468 🔗

With collateral non-Covid lockdown deaths expected in coming months to be in the hundreds of thousands is it not time to recognise that charges of genocide against numerous political, administrative, scientific and medical people are best heard not in a British court of law but in some new, supra-national Nuremberg Tribunal?

235824 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Stuart, 9, #1092 of 1468 🔗

I believe Chris Whitty has said the deaths of people who did not go to hospital because of the stay at home – save the NHS message should be counted as deaths due to the pandemic. Perhaps he is likely to claim any future deaths from list treatment and poverty in the same way. It seems to me he is preparing ground the claim it was the pandemic rather than the government measures.

235852 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to wendy, 5, #1093 of 1468 🔗

He would try to say that. However people that die from real Covid normally have breathing issues and the chances of them not going to hospital is very slim. Nice try Whittless

236240 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to wendy, #1094 of 1468 🔗

Saw a post the other day somewhere that said – next time someone dies at home from [suicide, preventable disease, restricted access to care, etc] put their local MP’s name as the cause, on the death cert! *assuming they voted for lockdown*

235830 ▶▶ dommo, replying to Stuart, 5, #1095 of 1468 🔗

no need to aim quite so high – the crime of gross negligence manslaughter in the uk courts would more than likely do the trick – max sentence life imprisonment!

235922 ▶▶ annie, replying to Stuart, 4, #1096 of 1468 🔗

There will be such trials.I know it’s hard to imagine, but our foul tyrants are not the foulest. The courts will be very, very busy.

235826 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 11, #1097 of 1468 🔗

Veteran assaulted by police on Remembrance Sunday
A National Disgrace 😞 Please Watch & Share – Game Over

235866 ▶▶ Draper233, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 9, #1098 of 1468 🔗

Fucking pigs

235929 ▶▶ ColoradoGirl, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 3, #1099 of 1468 🔗

No words.

235834 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 30, #1100 of 1468 🔗

Well that was disappointing.

Mr Bart and I tried to go to the Cenotaph and found it was blocked by the police and yet again many of them were masked. I mean, why?? Its outdoors and I think they should never be allowed to muzzle up. I felt sorry for the veterans who turned up only to be turned away.

I think its a disgrace that ordinary people were not allowed to pay their respects. OK fair that the royals were there but this is one occasion where we all come together.

And after seeing that footage of a piper being assaulted, my respect for the police has now evaporated for good. I now no longer have any sympathy or respect for them and for months now, I have been avoiding them like the plague.

They will get their just desserts and I shan’t shed any tears for them.

235839 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #1101 of 1468 🔗

They are a bit like armed nurses these days.

235864 ▶▶▶ Matt The Cat, replying to Two-Six, 2, #1102 of 1468 🔗

An out-of-control bunch of paramilitary thugs. They shot a man dead in Swindon earlier today too.

235888 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, #1104 of 1468 🔗

OOps I thought you said Sweden!
lol I need new glasses

235890 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Two-Six, #1105 of 1468 🔗

Did he refuse to wear a face nappy?

235891 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1106 of 1468 🔗

Yes he HAD TO GO

235923 ▶▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Matt The Cat, 4, #1107 of 1468 🔗

A spokesman said: “We would, however, like to reassure the public there is no risk to the wider community and that there is likely to be an increased police presence in the area for a considerable time.”

Ha! Contradictory statement!

235977 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Two-Six, 3, #1108 of 1468 🔗

Yep. I can imagine that increasingly people are holding the police, NHS and retail and hospitality staff in contempt.

They should learn quickly that “I was only following orders” won’t wash.

235880 ▶▶ Paul, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #1109 of 1468 🔗

I reckon the muzzles are to reinforce the propaganda and also to intimidate and it does give them some anonymity to behave how they like,I know they have numbers but we don’t know if those are even real.

235921 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Paul, 9, #1110 of 1468 🔗

Muzzles are the only visible sign that there may be something dangerous out there because nothing else in your day to day life tells you that. They are essential to the fear propaganda.

235942 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Paul, 4, #1111 of 1468 🔗

TSG happily sit in their vans maskless looking at their phones.Muzzle up when ready for action.

235945 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Paul, 2, #1112 of 1468 🔗

Of course, if it comes to a bun fight, you can pull a facemask away from the face, and if the elastic ears stay in place, let go again. It bloody hurts.

235956 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Paul, 2, #1113 of 1468 🔗

Agree and its also to avoid taking any responsibility should a complaint be lodged against them.

235919 ▶▶ annie, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #1114 of 1468 🔗

Deserts (what they deserve) , not desserts ( = pudding or afters).
If somebody poisons their desserts they will certainly get their just deserts.

236071 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #1115 of 1468 🔗

Not all of the police are like that, please, and all of them have people who love them.
We need to stay on the same side and not create ourselves the police state Patel is forcing upon us

236145 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Rosie, #1116 of 1468 🔗

I agree.

236094 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #1117 of 1468 🔗

3.—(1) No person may, without reasonable excuse, enter or remain within a relevant place without wearing a face covering.

(2) The requirement in paragraph (1) does not apply—
f)to a constable or police community support officer acting in the course of their duty;

235842 NickR, replying to NickR, 21, #1118 of 1468 🔗

If you saw the size of s good proportion of the nurses at our local hospital you wouldn’t be surprised that there’s a shortage once given the nod to slope off home if you’re obese.

235874 ▶▶ Matt The Cat, replying to NickR, 5, #1119 of 1468 🔗

Yep, your post reminded me of the following article from one of our local rags down here on the south coast from April
Note the article didn’t say what the “underlying health issues” were. Looking at those photos though, I think we have a pretty damn good idea …

235904 ▶▶ Mike, replying to NickR, 7, #1120 of 1468 🔗

Spot on, I know a number of nurses, and have had the misfortune of having to associate with a many more over the course of this year and for so called ‘health’ professionals they are some of the most obese, unhealthy lot (in general) that I have seen.

235926 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Mike, 4, #1121 of 1468 🔗

I used to volunteer with the elderly. I once had occasion to have to call paramedics to help with a lady who had “collapsed” awkward in her doorway.
When they finally arrived 40minutes later on a January day, I left to carry on tending to my other vulnerable clients. 20minutes or so later I drove past the house, to see 2 more paramedics try to help the lady.
One reason they were struggling, all 4 of them were quite overweight!

235853 Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, 3, #1122 of 1468 🔗

Keep using Their Tool… but please, just stop complaining!

Nov. 5, 2020 8:18 am ET

Government health officials and drug makers plan to roll out extra tools to detect whether Covid-19 vaccines cause any serious side effects once the shots are cleared for widespread use, aiming to fill gaps in existing safeguards given the expected speed and scope of the rollout.

The measures include surveys tracked through a smartphone app developed by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and special monitoring for groups including pregnant women and the elderly, according to health officials and company executives…

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And quoting a moron slave:

A smartphone is a tool. It can be used to improve our lives and help hold our governments to account or it can be used to destroy and control our lives.

We are not going to ‘win’ this by abandoning the tools at our disposal rather then address our ignorance as to how to use them effectively for our benefit.


235856 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Voz 0db, 1, #1123 of 1468 🔗

I think Pokemon was a trial of covid tracking technology and a study of how people move around and associate.

Hummmm….Like flat earth was a trial of AI to drive and suppress narratives.

235862 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Voz 0db, 1, #1124 of 1468 🔗

Why should anyone tolerate any gaps in safeguards? Horse…stable door.. bolted springs to mind.

235914 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Voz 0db, 5, #1125 of 1468 🔗

By all means throw away your smart phone, maybe you should throw away all your computers or do they only become dangerous when you can fit them in your pocket?

If you think that will save anyone from what is coming you will be disappointed. If the government does not intend to respect your liberty no amount of self sacrificing modern technology will save you.

236113 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Saved To Death, -2, #1126 of 1468 🔗

I don’t give a small fart it modern moron slaves stop using “smartphones”… For me they deserve this and more.

235857 Richard, replying to Richard, 29, #1127 of 1468 🔗

Update from Norfolk ! Good turn out today at the local war memorial – north of 50 people – arrived at about 10.50 and people just kept appearing until 11. Beautiful sunny day – very powerful feeling around it felt defiant – no signs of official intrusion other than a WPC who arrived just before 11 but stood on the edge and didn’t interfere. Driving through other villages shortly after people still hanging around by churches / memorials. Where I was the roll call of the fallen included four brothers in WW1 – whatever these fuck@rs try to do they will never stop the urge to honour those who fought for freedom – I think today was the day when a lot of usually law abiding citizens decided enough was enough.

235916 ▶▶ annie, replying to Richard, 2, #1128 of 1468 🔗

I hope you are right. There is a greater Law than the laws issued by fools and tyrants.

236048 ▶▶ Mike Collins, replying to Richard, 6, #1129 of 1468 🔗

Same in Manchester, we were part of a group totalling 65-70. Vicar came from the local church and did a lovely service, wanted to cheer when he tore his mask off. What was evident was that a significant number 60% plus were >70yrs. Lovely to see them out and about, included one elderly chap who was in a wheelchair being looked after by a carer. We drove past 4 other memorials on the way home and it was obvious there had been a good turnout.

I had a chat with a Brummy relative tonight who was a leading doorstep clapper in Lockdown V1, even he is moving to the (dark) sceptical side.

235870 Nic, replying to Nic, 37, #1130 of 1468 🔗

Thousands demonstrating in Manchester today against the lock down but totally ignored by THE MSM politicians cant keep there heads in the sand forever, anger is building and if this goes on much longer there will be violence iam sure .

235872 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Nic, 14, #1131 of 1468 🔗

Hopefully no violence! Just people getting out in large fuckin numbers all over the land.

235917 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Two-Six, 18, #1132 of 1468 🔗

I agree, we must stay peaceful.
The demos in Germany are all peaceful and it makes an impact, also on the police. Only a peaceful demonstration will allow others to go ahead.

235980 ▶▶▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to Silke David, 5, #1133 of 1468 🔗

The poll tax was scrapped after the riots

235981 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to 6097 Smith W, 5, #1134 of 1468 🔗

not just the big riot in London, there were marches in every town in the land.

236101 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Two-Six, #1135 of 1468 🔗


236136 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to 6097 Smith W, 3, #1136 of 1468 🔗

We can’t afford to do riots. That will be the excuse they’re looking for to impose martial law. It’s absolutely imperative the protests stay peaceful, despite the amount of provocation from HMG.

235899 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Nic, 11, #1137 of 1468 🔗

Many many people were filming on phones so it will go on social media which seems to be maybe more relevant. Strangely I only found out about the Manchester protest because the Telegraph said there was to be one, it’s interesting that they had chosen to mention where protests were going to be held. MSM can keep ignoring but these protests must be getting noticed as they are huge now.

235936 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Nic, 12, #1138 of 1468 🔗

The advantage of keeping them peaceful is that the police look like idiots when they come wading in with batons, horses, dogs… I’ve noticed the crowds have increased too. Now if all these people come to London on the 28th as well as last month’s turnout…

235871 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 15, #1139 of 1468 🔗

Has anyone else heard that Imperial College are sending letters to parents of school children “inviting” them to come and get their child tested and be paid £100 for the privilege?!?! And each child – in return for their saliva – is issued a barcode. Who is creating a digital inventory of human beings??! I am aghast. Please report if you have heard anything like this (in addition to the Liverpool project!)

235878 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 6, #1140 of 1468 🔗

Children=Human capital

235898 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Two-Six, 2, #1141 of 1468 🔗

Children = Scapegoats

235939 ▶▶▶▶ Matt The Cat, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1142 of 1468 🔗

It just gets darker. Sorry all! Deleted my previous in case it triggered anyone. Bit too dark, maybe?

235902 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 5, #1143 of 1468 🔗

Children was Dr Mengele’s specialty

235932 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1144 of 1468 🔗

Especially twins.

235910 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 3, #1145 of 1468 🔗

We have all been monitored by bar code for years. Or at least anyone with a library or supermarket card. The creep of the amount of data people don’t realise is held about them has been phenomenal. I’m sure most wouldn’t bat an eyelid about this, unfortunately.

236017 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #1146 of 1468 🔗

Well, I had a letter from ONS/Imperial inviting me to register my child to be part of the REACT study last week. It didn’t mention payment however, so perhaps this is something different?

236204 ▶▶ annie, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #1147 of 1468 🔗

You will be scanned at the checkout.

235873 common conservative, replying to common conservative, 9, #1148 of 1468 🔗

Are you sitting down? An army veteran piper is assaulted by the Face Nappy Brigade:


235881 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to common conservative, 4, #1149 of 1468 🔗

He was turning and all they needed to do was gently keep him on track and playing. What they did instead was to shove him

235886 ▶▶▶ common conservative, replying to mhcp, 3, #1150 of 1468 🔗

Exactly. Their actions makes clear their position!

235882 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to common conservative, 8, #1151 of 1468 🔗


235893 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to common conservative, 12, #1152 of 1468 🔗

Looks like the tactics of the Territorial Support Group, they always push someone over (ideally a women) in order to try to get a violent response. Thank god normal people have camera footage exposing these police thugs – the MSM would never give this coverage.

235920 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to common conservative, 18, #1153 of 1468 🔗

Top line: “Hold this.”

Good lad. It’s NOT a good idea for the police to upset the veterans. The Armed Forces used to be a lot bigger. There are a lot of us.

Also, scuffles in Liverpool at the anti-lockdown protest:

Ladies and gentlemen, the anger is building. Not long now before the safety valve pops off.

236013 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Nick Rose, 5, #1154 of 1468 🔗

Police always start the trouble yet media always report ‘protestors clash with police’. It’s about time the police stepped back from imposing draconian rules if the government won’t – they seem to be moving to a heavy handed continental style of policing like in France and Spain.

236040 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Darryl, 5, #1155 of 1468 🔗

I’m afraid to say that a LOT of Continental practices have crept in that are totally alien to our way of life. Double jeopardy, on-the-spot fines, threats to trial-by-jury, are just three examples.

And the police do start it, seen it with my own eyes since I started protesting.

235883 Darryl, 11, #1156 of 1468 🔗

Met Police have had a busy weekend imposing Priti Patels tyrannical orders.

Dozens of them clamping down on free speech at Speakers Corner again today. The country sadly seems lost whilst the masses are propagandised by big tech and the MSM.

Piers Corbyn Speakers Corner Multiple Arrests https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_lG6EA06ps

235889 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 6, #1157 of 1468 🔗

Have they found the “chatty rat” yet?
I was just wondering if Boris talks in his sleep?

235892 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Margaret, 3, #1158 of 1468 🔗

Don’t hold your breath – It’s a fucking pantomime to Pfeffel.

235901 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Margaret, 2, #1159 of 1468 🔗

Is it an anagram?

236016 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Margaret, 3, #1160 of 1468 🔗

I would bet money on it being Gove, and Gove is too important to go at this point, so it will all be hushed up.

236024 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #1161 of 1468 🔗

I’m betting on Hancock. The man gets a touch-on at the thought of all that power to micromanage people’s lives. I expect he’s been salivating at the prospect of total control again.

236035 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Nick Rose, #1162 of 1468 🔗

Yes, he’s my second choice. But I think this kind of thing is more Gove-ish. He’s slippery, I feel like he’s up to something. Hancock on the other hand is just plain nasty but perhaps lacks the ability to scheme on such a scale.

It’s a close-run thing between them though, I admit.

236039 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1163 of 1468 🔗

I’m surprised Gove didn’t keep a back seat over Covid. I would have thought it was perfectly obvious that fatigue over lockdown would set in fairly quickly. He’s definitely a slippery character!

236045 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1164 of 1468 🔗

It wouldn’t surprise me if Gove was both Hawk and Dove (hate those expressions); he’s just playing the political game.

I wonder if he thinks he’s Francis Urquhart ; and living in a real life version of House of Cards .

236142 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1165 of 1468 🔗

Remember how we all thought he was on our side when he said that masks wouldn’t become compulsory in shops?

236201 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1166 of 1468 🔗

I couldn’t possibly comment.

235903 Sceptical Lefty, replying to Sceptical Lefty, -27, #1167 of 1468 🔗

I don’t think there is any evidence at all that Trump was following any strategy. Certainly not that of the Great Barrington Declaration which includes support for the vulnerable. Given the state of American healthcare for those without resources this is hardly likely. I’d argue that there was little direction at all. To be frank, given he appears to be less than entirely sane I’m glad he lost. Biden is no great shakes but at least he will present a more normal America and hopefully stabilise matters.

235909 ▶▶ Jonathan Smith, replying to Sceptical Lefty, 18, #1168 of 1468 🔗

Public Health Policy is a state responsibility rather than a Federal one. The fact that different responses have been implemented in different states is a great way to compare and contrast approaches.

236189 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Jonathan Smith, 1, #1169 of 1468 🔗

A point hardly ever made by our Trump-hating media,

235918 ▶▶ Draper233, replying to Sceptical Lefty, 24, #1170 of 1468 🔗

Trump appointed Scott Atlas as an advisor and he does favour herd immunity.

I can only assume Atlas will be no longer be part of the new administration.

Big shame as the guy talks pure common sense.

235931 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Sceptical Lefty, 2, #1171 of 1468 🔗

I think his downfall wasn’t coming out and saying he was following GBD. It just looked like he was winging it – which he probably was.

236061 ▶▶▶ Sceptical Lefty, replying to Tom Blackburn, #1172 of 1468 🔗

That’s because he wasn’t.

235935 ▶▶ The Spingler, replying to Sceptical Lefty, -24, #1173 of 1468 🔗

I definitely not sorry Trump was defeated 😂 Though I despair of Biden’s views on covid it will be long gone before he gets to the White House and Trump was never for the ordinary people. The only person Trump is capable of caring about is himself.

235961 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to The Spingler, 4, #1174 of 1468 🔗

There’s no sign of it being gone politically by January. What makes you think that?

236062 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to The Spingler, 3, #1175 of 1468 🔗

I completely and utterly disagree.

236008 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Sceptical Lefty, 19, #1176 of 1468 🔗

Biden is openly pro mask mandates and has promised to appoint a task force to defeat the virus (what a nincompoop). Blue states locked down like mad with terrible results. Red states resisted with better results.

Trump told people not to worry too much about the virus, compared it to flu, and appointed a sceptic to the group looking at the virus response.

Is Trump perfect? No. Is he something of an arse? Probably? Did he have a coherent covid strategy? Probably not. But he instinctively knew it was nothing to get overly concerned about, and had the balls to say it.

Biden and the Dems are 100% bought into the narrative of a “pandemic” about which something must be done.

Nothing normal about Biden or the Dems, yes Trump was an inconsistent yahoo but Biden is a weaselly politician and the Dems are more obsessed with destructive, divisise identity politics than the Republicans. Stabilise? Doubt it.

Sorry but if someone wants to convince me that a Biden victory is anything but a bad thing for sceptics, they are going to have to do more.

The only argument I have seen that holds some water, posted by someone here earlier, is that Trump was a figure people loved to hate and him identifying with scepticism was bad for our movement. I think there is some truth in that, but we have gone from an imperfect supporter (Trump) to a fully bought and paid for enemy (Biden) so not much of an improvement.

236063 ▶▶▶ Sceptical Lefty, replying to Julian, -4, #1177 of 1468 🔗

Not saying anything other than I’d rather not have Trump as any sort of example to follow.

236066 ▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Julian, #1178 of 1468 🔗

Trump flip flopped on masks .At first being against and then saying it was peoples patriotic duty to wear them and then seeming to go off them again when it became a big sticking point between him and Biden .Your right he did appoint Scot Atlas at the end but it took a while to get a sceptic in place and come out with a more sceptical position . I can see why people wanted Trump as he would on the whole be better for the cause but i think because the election is close we will not see a lot of difference .Biden can not force the republican states to shut down nor shut the whole country down so he needs to come up with a plan that works . Lets see what that plan is? before we think were doomed because America aint the U K and they won’t keep the whole country on furlough . I think if Trump had of come out full on sceptic at the start he would of walked it ,it was the dithering that put people off .In times of crisis people look to strong leaders who make decisions and stick to them . Trumps problem is the same as Johnson .They talk a good struggle but don’t live up to it .

236011 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Sceptical Lefty, 3, #1179 of 1468 🔗

Not sure why this has been downvoted so much. Both Trump and Biden are unsuitable for office IMO, albeit for different reasons. Neither appear to me to be sane in the usual sense of the word. Either way I doubt it will make any huge difference to the UK’s covid policy which seems to be pretty much “baked in”, to steal a phrase from Whitty and Vallance.

236029 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to A. Contrarian, 6, #1180 of 1468 🔗

Same people will control America no matter who is the front man – bankers, billionaires and the military complex. Illusion of democracy.

236056 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to A. Contrarian, 9, #1181 of 1468 🔗

Trump may have taken time to understand the job but has done more in four years than Biden did in 47.

The main achievement of Biden was to make himself very wealthy by selling his name and influence, plus, to paraphrase, setting up the biggest voter fraud organisation in American history.

I’d have Trump over any other politician I can think of. He’s done what he’s supposed to: work on behalf of America and its people.

236065 ▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1182 of 1468 🔗

One way of looking at it is that while Trump was accused of spreading the virus by not taking it seriously enough (the words a number of my US friends have used), a lot of anti-Trump voters could blame what was hyped as a deadly plague onto him. Now he is soon to be deposed, he will cease to be a convenient scapegoat and the Dems will have to show they can “defeat the dreadful virus” which we know they can’t, and their ludicrous attempts with masks/draconian lockdowns etc will be more clearly seen for the fraud and tyranny that they are. Trump was a useful distraction, a smokescreen: when misery is heaped upon misery, the average American person will wake up – as is starting to happen over here.

236068 ▶▶▶ Sceptical Lefty, replying to A. Contrarian, #1183 of 1468 🔗

Wasn’t a great choice. But I’m not defending Trump and I don’t think he did the sceptic cause any good.

236049 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Sceptical Lefty, 18, #1184 of 1468 🔗

At least he doesn’t have obvious early dementia or used his family’s name and his position in the U.S. administration to sell out his country for money.

The man who spearheaded a global initiative to decriminalize homosexuality is a homophobe.

The man who negotiated 4 historic peace deals and managed to avoid having to go to war against a NATO ally is a warmonger.

The man who brought troops home does not value the US military.

The man who fixed the VA thinks people wounded or killed in war are “losers and suckers”.

The man who increased funding for black colleges and universities and locked it in for 10 years hates black people.

The man who created Opportunity Zones to revitalize distressed communities hates minorities.

The man who champions school choice hates the poor.

The man who presided over the biggest increase in median household earnings in decades hates the middle class.

The man who began closing the wealth gap, is only in it for his own financial gain.

The man who reduced our dependence on communist China hates democracy.

The man who reopened the Iron Range and created hundreds of thousands of high paying resource jobs hates the working class.

The first man in American history whose net worth went down while he was president is a greedy fat cat.

The man who instituted prison reform and criminal justice reform is a racist sociopath.

The man who had a record number of small donations to his campaign and funded much of it out of his own pocket is a Wall Street shill.

The man who doesn’t take a salary as president is not paying his fair share.

The man who appointed the first openly gay person to his cabinet is anti-gay.

The man who wants to take his case to court and let the court decide is a dictator.

The man who followed the constitution and allowed the states to generate their own coronavirus policy failed on coronavirus.

The man who presided over the single largest quarterly rise in GDP is destroying the economy.

The man who told his supporters to vote in person so there’d be no cheating is trying to steal the election.

235907 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 29, #1186 of 1468 🔗

Sir Desmond Swayne and sadly only perhaps a couple of others in Parliament actually get what the country has become.

“Totalitarian state!” Desmond Swayne condemns ban on singing in publichttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0zbf1lmcHk

235995 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Darryl, 4, #1187 of 1468 🔗

That a minister (I will not capitalise that word) seeks to make light of a ban on singing would have once shocked me. No longer.

235934 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 59, #1188 of 1468 🔗

Right now we have a government that’s trying to lock us up, a police force that’s trying to enforce it and an NHS that’s refusing to treat us. Every one of these organisations is supposed to serve us. If you don’t think something has gone very wrong you’re not paying attention.

235937 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Achilles, #1189 of 1468 🔗

Nah its fine.

236197 ▶▶ annie, replying to Achilles, 4, #1190 of 1468 🔗

All perfectly justified. As zombies say, ‘Don’t you know there’s a pandemic on? The aim is to save ME. So put on your face nappy, lock yourself up, and die of cancer at home so that I can get treatment in case I get Covid.’

235938 flipjg, replying to flipjg, 11, #1191 of 1468 🔗

So two stories this week conflicted with me massively. There was the poor lady who got arrested for trying to take her mother from a care home and then in the same week David Beckham goes to visit the Chelsea Pensioners…where’s the logic..?!!! I’d love to hear from anyone who can clarify this one for me as I’m having trouble on this one …. 🤔

235940 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to flipjg, 4, #1192 of 1468 🔗

Chelsea Pensioners are so great they don’t get covids.

235948 ▶▶▶ flipjg, replying to Two-Six, 7, #1193 of 1468 🔗

God the hypocrisy- it makes me mad… and breathe…

236004 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Two-Six, 3, #1194 of 1468 🔗

And Beckham is exempt from whatever he wants to be exempt from I assume.

235943 OldBaldGamer, replying to OldBaldGamer, 9, #1195 of 1468 🔗


Wikileaks have dumped their entire database online (maybe Trump and Assange did cut a deal after all)

In a crazy world every theory (Conspiracy or otherwise) is worthy of some consideration.

235951 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to OldBaldGamer, 2, #1196 of 1468 🔗


235965 ▶▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1197 of 1468 🔗

Call me lazy but I’ll let someone else find the interesting stuff

235982 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to 6097 Smith W, 1, #1198 of 1468 🔗

I didn’t even click, what is there, like all the worlds telephone directories in a big text file?

236041 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Two-Six, 3, #1199 of 1468 🔗

A long list of data links with relevant dates. None appear to be recent, but there’s some interesting stuff in there, like a US intelligence assessment of increasing left-wing extremist cyber threats. This is dated 2009. Looks like they were right, with the far left working for big tech companies to censor everyone they disagree with, including the President of the United States.

Files about swine flu, congress torture briefings, etc.

236064 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Lms23, 2, #1200 of 1468 🔗

Swine flu is an interesting one, with the same bunch of people trying to create global panic and same dishonest modeling.

236111 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to OldBaldGamer, #1201 of 1468 🔗

Wow indeed

Check this one out https://file.wikileaks.org/file/yes-we-can.mp4

A little eerie …

236206 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to OldBaldGamer, #1202 of 1468 🔗

The secret society stuff and the freemason lists are good.

235946 NickR, replying to NickR, 11, #1203 of 1468 🔗

Recommending Vitamin D! Now Trump’s toast how long before Hydrochloriquine is back on the menu?

235966 ▶▶ DocRC, replying to NickR, 13, #1204 of 1468 🔗

Interesting that all my fellow quacks I talk to have been taking Vit D and recommending it to their patients, friends and families for years. Yet NICE was advising there was no evidence for it’s use in June this year. I’m also convinced by the evidence for hydroxychloroquine but then I don’t have any shares in big pharma!

236002 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to DocRC, 5, #1205 of 1468 🔗

Would be interesting to hear from the other doctors who contribute. All I know about Hydroxychloroquine is that my daughter, who has JDM, was on it for a year to suppress her immune system; which seems like a sensible thing to try to do if the immune system is heading towards a cytokine storm.

235947 DocRC, replying to DocRC, 45, #1206 of 1468 🔗

Government can only work with the consent of those governed. From all I’ve seen today, it seems that consent is being withdrawn. Those in power have a choice: increasingly authoritarian enforcement of the lockdown or realisation of their mistakes and stepping back from the brink.

235950 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to DocRC, 11, #1207 of 1468 🔗

You are right. The appalling fear is the signs everywhere that they are choosing to go on. That the Rubicon is already crossed.

235953 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to DocRC, 11, #1208 of 1468 🔗

UK Mockdown…Day 3
It’s going well innit….

235973 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Two-Six, 5, #1209 of 1468 🔗

England Mockdown Day 4

235984 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Steeve, 2, #1210 of 1468 🔗

day four already? how time flies

235985 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1211 of 1468 🔗


235954 ▶▶ DocRC, replying to DocRC, 14, #1212 of 1468 🔗

Anyway. Great lunch with younger son and family. No knock on door from Mr Plod!

236001 ▶▶▶ dommo, replying to DocRC, 4, #1213 of 1468 🔗

that you would have totally ignored in any event i hope

236043 ▶▶▶▶ DocRC, replying to dommo, 3, #1214 of 1468 🔗

Indeed. An Englishman’s home is still his castle!

235996 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to DocRC, 13, #1215 of 1468 🔗

Yes, I’m wondering what will happen next too. This time feels so different from the first lockdown. People are just carrying on as best they can, the roads and streets seem no quieter than they did on Wednesday. As far as I can see the only effect of this lockdown will be to send more small businesses bankrupt and ruin what was left of the economy. It’s making the government look weak and irrelevant. I’m surprised Hancock hasn’t been out frothing at the mouth and threatening to cancel our exercise privileges like he did last time. Maybe even he can see what a bad idea that would be at this point in the proceedings.

236025 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #1216 of 1468 🔗

He’ll be cancelling Christmas, like Alan Rickman’s sheriff of Nottingham….

236052 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to A. Contrarian, 7, #1217 of 1468 🔗

The first lockdown people either believed that covid was super dangerous or though it might be. Now we know it isn’t, a lot of us do anyway, everything has changed – they lockdown because they want to. Astonishing how quickly people have become accustomed to living under tyrrany.

236190 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Rosie, 2, #1218 of 1468 🔗

Some are still locking themselves down. Many, maybe. Let them. Let them stay locked down until they rot.

236087 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to A. Contrarian, 7, #1219 of 1468 🔗

” the only effect of this lockdown will be to send more small businesses bankrupt and ruin what was left of the economy “

This is precisely the intention – to make the proles dependent upon the state. Then everyone else.

236110 ▶▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to PastImperfect, 2, #1220 of 1468 🔗

Why would that be a goal? Who pays for it all? What’s a prole vs a non prole? Genuine questions

236119 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Sophie123, 3, #1221 of 1468 🔗

At the moment the Bank of England is paying.QE is up to £895 billion.Later could be the world bank /IMF
I think the aim is to destroy the economy and build it back in a zero carbon way.

236120 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to DocRC, 1, #1222 of 1468 🔗

Thank you DocRC. if you don’t mind I’ll use that in my weekly letter to my MP

236423 ▶▶▶ DocRC, replying to Jonny S., #1223 of 1468 🔗

please do!

236184 ▶▶ annie, replying to DocRC, 3, #1224 of 1468 🔗

Draconian enforcement at this stage will misfire. They’ve wagered everything on the belief that we are all sheeples who will consent to absolutely anything and bleat for more. For a long time, that looked to be true. As soon as it ceases to be true, They are scuppered.

235955 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 19, #1225 of 1468 🔗

Piers Corbyn was arrested yet again on the 5th November and kept in custody for 23 hours 58 minutes. Shame that so few in the public eye are standing up to the tyranny the way he is. Authorities seem afraid of Piers Corbyn and other anti lockdown protestors given their increasingly disproportionate and tyrannical responses.

Piers Corbyn released from Lewisham Police Station 6.11.2020 https://www.bitchute.com/video/OnVGVwn0ut0Z/

235959 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Darryl, 7, #1226 of 1468 🔗

Arrested AGAIN. Piers….

235974 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Two-Six, 9, #1227 of 1468 🔗

5 times this year, probably a record for someone over 70?

236009 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Darryl, 14, #1228 of 1468 🔗

Piers Corbyn is not 100% my cup of tea, but I do support him in this. I’m glad the authorities are afraid of somebody. I suspect they are starting to fear us now as well. That can only be a good thing.

236020 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Nick Rose, 12, #1229 of 1468 🔗

You can only admire the man and his bravery and conviction.

236270 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #1230 of 1468 🔗


236021 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Darryl, 12, #1231 of 1468 🔗

Piers is getting the Tommy Robinson treatment. The police are doing their best to get him to back off…

235957 Marina Peerman, replying to Marina Peerman, 31, #1232 of 1468 🔗


The MSM media is a faceless monster with no-one accountable. They rule the world. And have done for decades. Call me naive, but my gut says there is no “big reset” or pharma conspiracy. If you go back to the early WHO COVID19 press conferences, mostly what you saw were the rabid, over-excited press, railroading the officials into recommending the lockdowns.

I remember Boris, mid-March, saying he would never lockdown London. Two weeks later the whole country was in lockdown. Prof Ferguson could not have promoted his appalling predictions without the MSM (and its new equally powerful follower, the social media).

I’ve lived in various countries around the world. Most have a MSM with the same agenda of spreading the fear and division that sells their papers/fills their 24 hour a day airtime. Sweden and a few others didn’t succumb. Their leaders were more gutsy or less afraid of losing the popular vote, I’m guessing. But they are in the minority.

This chaos will continue until the media loses its power. How that happens, I have no idea.

235994 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Marina Peerman, 17, #1233 of 1468 🔗

The media are right up there with the other principal culprits

They have been shameful and wicked

236005 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Julian, 4, #1234 of 1468 🔗

Dead tree press and TV broadcasters especially.

236032 ▶▶▶ StevieH, replying to Julian, 7, #1235 of 1468 🔗

The media have merely been the servants of their masters.

236003 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Marina Peerman, 8, #1236 of 1468 🔗

If the government had shown a bit of backbone (I know, with the Boneless Wonder in charge it’s hardly likely), this would have been nowhere near as bad. A firm “make sure the reporting is balanced” would have been enough. They could still have had their lurid headlines, just displayed a more balanced article. I suspect the government was quite happy with the MSM as it acted..

Far more sinister has been the actions of the Dr Frankenstein committee, aka SAGE. I’m not much of a conspiracy theorist myself, but I do suspect that if any conspiracy exists, it will be in Whitehall’s corridors, rather than the UN or Davos.

Either way, the truth will out, soon or late.

236018 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Nick Rose, 12, #1237 of 1468 🔗

The media did the governments bidding during lockdown.They were the biggest spenders on advertising for 5 months.
Lest we forget Spi bs infamous memo and Johnson’s loved ones will die speech.The government used the media to panic us into lockdown and ensure compliance,not the other way.

236106 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 2, #1238 of 1468 🔗

Well said!

236019 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Nick Rose, 10, #1239 of 1468 🔗

World leaders mostly inhabit the same world, meeting, talking, traveling. They sign treaties, etc, which constrain them to impose similar policies upon their citizens. It’s not a conspiracy of a few people in dark rooms. It’s big conferences and summits. It’s not hidden.

236046 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Lms23, 2, #1240 of 1468 🔗

Good description

236093 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Lms23, 2, #1241 of 1468 🔗

They do. But that they have almost all acted in the same way does show a distinct lack of vision on their part.

236135 ▶▶▶ Marina Peerman, replying to Nick Rose, 5, #1242 of 1468 🔗

You make a good point about SAGE. But it doesn’t explain why most of the world locked down. It makes more sense to me that the media dictated the narrative from the start. There would have been mass fear induced hysteria if Governments hadn’t supported that narrative. Even as I write this, I know it still doesn’t answer the SAGE anomaly to my theory. Maybe they’re having the ride of their life too? 🙂 Or are mostly made up of people scared of succumbing to the virus themselves. Whatever, it’s a mess. Short of an imminent coming of the next Messiah (I’m not religious, so don’t hold up much hope) we are on course for, at best, a painfully slow mass awakening to the horror of what the lockdown has done to humanity. And all those who have ever enabled the lockdown (including the MSM, SAGE, etc) will not be encouraging that anytime soon.

236268 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Marina Peerman, 2, #1243 of 1468 🔗

We won’t really know until the dust has settled, but I suspect lockdowns have been a sort of domino effect. Clueless politicians had no idea what to do. They see that China locks down (a province anyway), and other countries in Asia follow suit with one form or another. Trouble is, politicians were having to act on the hoof, so they just copied what the neighbours were doing.

Media always tries to dictate the narrative, a decent leader has a counter narrative. I can’t imagine Margaret Thatcher or Tony Blair being bounced by the media in this way, whatever we think of their policies or of them as politicians.

236015 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Marina Peerman, 5, #1244 of 1468 🔗

Someone (can’t remember right now who) recently said that it wasn’t so much a conspiracy as a lot of people all going in the same direction, but more like a flock of starlings or shoal of fish. There’s no leader, but they all leap on the same set of ideas and policies, because they have the same fundamental set of beliefs.

236097 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Lms23, 4, #1245 of 1468 🔗

I don’t think they have a set of beliefs tbh. It’s a shame they don’t, things might be better then. Believing in the people of your own country is a good start if you want their votes.

236174 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #1246 of 1468 🔗

They have a common set of beliefs, if totalitarianism can be so described.
Fascists in England, Stalinists in Wales and Scotland, fuck-all difference to those on the receiving end,

236083 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Marina Peerman, 1, #1247 of 1468 🔗

In the West the MSM has also been captured by our enemies, people who don’t wish us well in any respect: Russia, China, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and scretive billionaires. Add to them the Big Tech billionaires who are using their monopoly position to enforce censorship while propagandising for PC ideology.

235960 Andy Riley, replying to Andy Riley, 65, #1248 of 1468 🔗

I was escorted out of Speakers Corner this afternoon by a chief inspector and 2 PCs. He started with a bit of a diatribe about how we were preventing them from catching rapists (as if..) but after a few minutes of my impassioned defence of our ancient liberties and putting the virus in its place as somewhat like a severe flu season – with which he agreed – we parted on good terms. I think I had successfully engaged and explained and moved him in maybe a small way towards scepticism.

235992 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Andy Riley, 8, #1249 of 1468 🔗

Well done. Brilliant

235997 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Andy Riley, 14, #1250 of 1468 🔗

The fact that he used the ‘catching rapists’ line suggest he is a complete lier. They would probably be out terrorising some other innocent person if they weren’t at Speakers Corner. There was a very small crowd there – no need for any police presence. Most Met officers seem beyond any hope, I can only assume they are completely brainwashed by their superiors at the station.

236028 ▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Andy Riley, 9, #1251 of 1468 🔗

The only think you prevented him doing was beating up innocent protesters ,pushing veterans to the floor and practising taking the knee .

236033 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Andy Riley, 14, #1252 of 1468 🔗

You should have asked him how many rapists he has caught thus far in his career. Probably zero.

236059 ▶▶ Christopher, replying to Andy Riley, 10, #1253 of 1468 🔗

If he really wanted to be catching rapists he should ask to be transferred to Rotherham.

236134 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Andy Riley, 4, #1254 of 1468 🔗

You’re very brave! You should be proud of yourself.

236170 ▶▶ annie, replying to Andy Riley, 5, #1255 of 1468 🔗

Many congratulations. You should get a medal from the Free Speech Union.

235970 OKUK, 18, #1256 of 1468 🔗

The US Election continues to attract a lot of attention here – rightly so I think since pro Lockdown-Maskism is so identified with anti-Trumpism, there was so much censorship during the campaign (just as there has been regarding Covid) and now the media are ignoring constitutional norms and basic elements of fair processes under the law (pretty much as with Covid).

I just wanted to put this point to the fair minded. The popular vote polls were out by about 4.5% in terms of Biden’s lead over Trump. The opinion polls gave Biden a 1.2% lead over Trump in Pennsylvania. If we apply the 4.5% discrepancy to that lead, it becomes a 3.3% lead for Trump, so he wins PA handsomely, in the same way he won next door Ohio handsomely. I’m not saying it’s a QED but it surely gives fair minded people pause for thought.

235986 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 16, #1257 of 1468 🔗

Just been getting my head around all the rules in England, as well as the set in Wales, and bloody hell the lot in Scotland is impossible! We have truly had a Marxist takeover. To be clear, that’s a Groucho Marxist takeover, not a Karl Marxist takeover.

235988 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #1258 of 1468 🔗

the rules are totally mind boggeling.

235990 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1259 of 1468 🔗

They are.

235999 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Nick Rose, 7, #1260 of 1468 🔗

I’d call it technocratic fascism but other than that I would agree.

236096 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #1261 of 1468 🔗

I wouldn’t be a member of any takeover that would haver me as a member…

236132 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Nick Rose, 5, #1262 of 1468 🔗

I think it’s been both. The State has, in a surreptitious way, taken people’s businesses from them. They have placed arbitrary, non-scientifically backed restrictions and closures on businesses with no recourse or compensation for the owners. And what’s sick is that they’ve done it in the name of “safety” so that the general public doesn’t even register that it really is a Marxist takeover.

236180 ▶▶ The Spingler, replying to Nick Rose, 7, #1263 of 1468 🔗

I’m not sure anyone really knows what the rules are any more, and I don’t think most people care – judging by how many people are out and about and acting as normal.

Thankful not to be in Greece which is entering full lockdown. If you want to leave your home, for one of the few specified reasons, you have to text the government first. Greece was one of the least affected European countries back in the Spring and I think they must know they have some vulnerable elderly now. As we all know lockdowns only kick the can down the road – if you’re one of the unfortunate (elderly) few going to die of/with covid, you’re going to die of/with covid, it’s just a matter of when.

235987 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 29, #1264 of 1468 🔗

The Times are saying big tech, MSM and the government are going to work together to censor and criminalise any questioning of vaccines. Yet they had an article yesterday confirming what people are soon to be attacked and possibly arrested for saying.

Coronavirus vaccine campaign will admit that jab may not be 100% safe

I get the strong impression we are going to be propagandised and then if that fails forced another way to take whatever they tell us to – our bodies now belong to the almighty state. Very sinister.

235989 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Darryl, 16, #1265 of 1468 🔗

Hearing the same thing from my contacts on the Continent, and worse.
More scared today than ever.

236006 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Darryl, 17, #1266 of 1468 🔗

It is the thing I am most fearful of but I am hopeful lawyers will act on this. It gave me courage that many of the chants today were against vaccination.

236022 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to wendy, 15, #1267 of 1468 🔗

The trouble is most ‘human rights’ / ‘civil liberties’ lawyers don’t really believe in either, they are essentially far left political activists. I don’t see any speaking out against the 200+ peaceful protestors being ‘kettled’ by the Met police on Thursday night and then being held in custody for up to 24 hours – many weren’t even offered water for hours.

236051 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Darryl, 9, #1268 of 1468 🔗

Martin Byrne is human rights lawyer and works alongside Dolores Cahill. He’s on World Freedom Alliance. He is great!

236054 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #1269 of 1468 🔗

What are they doing here to give us leadership when we need it?

236027 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Darryl, 20, #1270 of 1468 🔗

There will be a bullet in my head before the state forces me to do anything I don’t want to with my own body.

236166 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Poppy, 4, #1271 of 1468 🔗

They will need a lot of bullets for a lot of heads.

236067 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Darryl, 17, #1272 of 1468 🔗

“Not 100% safe”? Covid has a 99.8% survival rate for fuck’s sake. The vaccine cannot be riskier than the disease.

236109 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to DRW, #1273 of 1468 🔗

I still wouldn’t want to catch it

236118 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1274 of 1468 🔗

Worried about the potential lOnG tErM dAmAgE?

236126 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to DRW, 7, #1275 of 1468 🔗

Bingo! It can’t be safer than taking your chances with Covid. The vaccine is way riskier for the younger people who have a near zero chance of dying and it won’t be particularly effective in the most vulnerable population, the elderly, who can’t mount a robust immune response. The bar has been lowered so much that the approval for a vaccine will be granted if the vaccine merely reduces mild symptoms. There is no requirement for it to actually stop transmission of Covid or even reduce severe symptoms. The only reason I’m sleeping at night is that in Canada we have very strict laws against medical interventions without informed consent. Yes, they may try to bribe us to take the vaccine by limiting our ability to get along in the world, but this will be fought all the way to the Supreme Court.

236072 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Darryl, 10, #1276 of 1468 🔗

It’s as I said some time ago, the upside of the Covid crisis is that for the first time the spotlight will be shone on vaccine safety. Till now Big Pharma and the Dodgy Docs (backed up by a compliant media) have got away with the lying implication that all vaccines are 100% safe and improve the health of the individuals receiving them and of the community at large.

236081 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to OKUK, 6, #1277 of 1468 🔗

I admit to having had my own eyes opened with this one.

236098 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Nick Rose, 6, #1278 of 1468 🔗

I wasn’t aware they test vaccines against other vaccines – not placebos! I find that quite incredible.

We’ve all learnt a lot over the last few months e.g. that anyone can be an epidemiologist and make predictions as good as, or probably better than, the alleged “experts”!

236160 ▶▶ annie, replying to Darryl, 7, #1279 of 1468 🔗


Barely half of Britons say that they will definitely be vaccinated against coronavirus , and plans being developed in government aim to acknowledge concerns to ensure the undecided are not swayed by antivax propaganda.

So, if the Fascists invoke the Mental Health. Act as they threatened, over half the population will be declared insane, and sectioned?
It’s a mad world, my masters.

And how quaint that ‘anti-vaxxers’ are guilty of ‘propaganda’, whereas if the government echo the anti-vaxxers’ warnings, they’re actually justifying the vaccine.
‘This is to inform you that the vaccine we are about to ram into you is untested, quite possibly unsafe, and quite certainly ineffective, but if you refuse it you’re mad, which entitles us to force it on you for the Greater Good.’

236007 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 29, #1280 of 1468 🔗

A lot of people just go off what they hear on msm and social media, showed my niece the government website today, and she was amazed at the flatline, the actual numbers of deaths etc, people really have soaked up the propaganda

236034 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Dan Clarke, 9, #1281 of 1468 🔗

Yes, sooner or later we’ll get a mass campaign under way to get the truth out and things will turn more quickly

236103 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #1282 of 1468 🔗

I know this sounds simplistic, but if they don’t look at the facts… how will they know the facts?

236152 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Sam Vimes, 4, #1283 of 1468 🔗

We have to shove the facts into their. stupid faces.Keep it up with the leafets, stickers etc.

236092 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #1285 of 1468 🔗


236037 StevieH, replying to StevieH, 20, #1286 of 1468 🔗

Sneaked into Pembrokeshire this afternoon in the last day of the “firebreak”, to our cottage in a small seaside village.No problems at all. Anticipated potential trouble from the curtain twitchers, but so far, so good.

236086 ▶▶ StevieH, replying to StevieH, 8, #1287 of 1468 🔗

Didn’t really “sneak” – “drove brazenly” is a more accurate description,

236141 ▶▶ annie, replying to StevieH, 6, #1288 of 1468 🔗

I’m a Pembs resident and nothing pleases me more just now than to know visitors are. coming to join us.
Tenby was heaving with visitors all summer and the impact on Covvie ‘cases’ was nil. It was and is the grottier all-native urban areas that are affected.

236053 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 8, #1289 of 1468 🔗

Tim Spector has tweeted in the past hour the symptomatic covid+ trend by age (from the zoe app)


Encouraging that the 60+ rate is flat.

Overall new covid+symptomatic numbers going down in England, Scotland and Wales it appears from his other tweets.

236193 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Freecumbria, 3, #1290 of 1468 🔗

Some sign of a softer focus on cases.

Asymptomatic testing and quarantine is a dark chapter in history. It needs to stop right now.

236055 Alexei, replying to Alexei, 48, #1291 of 1468 🔗

I like reading the stories about people generally buggering on in defiance and smiling at all who pass with their maskless heads held high. It’s clear that Lockdown 2 is not being respected and I applaud that.

But spare a thought for those of us among the 2.9 million working age adults who have seen businesses and careers utterly destroyed, or battered to varying degrees, with no support from the state that has inflicted this toll upon us.

With the BoE printing another £150 big ones and the government doling it out to all and sundry to do up their house and garden, this goes beyond callousness. For the “Forgotten”, as they’re known on social media, the social contract is broken.

I bugger on as best I can. I defy Lockdown 2 as I defied Lockdown 1. I refuse to wear a mask and I do it with a swagger. But I only smile at my wife and son now. As I said, the social contract is broken. There is nothing left for me in this country now.

236085 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Alexei, 11, #1292 of 1468 🔗

Hang in there Alexei. Many of us here have been affected financially and I think everyone is outraged by that situation regardless. There’s no one right way to bugger on!

236112 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Alexei, -6, #1293 of 1468 🔗

So… in short if the terrorists and scoundrels and fascists in office hands out money ALL IS FINE! GFaDG.

236122 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Voz 0db, 9, #1294 of 1468 🔗

Of course not. Alexei is just pointing out that it’s harder to stay positive and bugger on, as the saying goes, if you are worried sick about making ends meet. I know what he meant and I’m sure you do too.

236123 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Alexei, 13, #1295 of 1468 🔗

It’s as if the State just outright confiscated people’s businesses. That’s the net of it, but they’ve done it in such an underhanded way — making it impossible to operate, presumably for the sake of “safety.” I’m incredibly sad for people like you who did everything right and followed the rules (such as they were prior to March 2020). And the snitching by citizens on other citizens has irrevocably damaged the social contract as well. I only make eye contact with other maskless people; the rest don’t deserve to be treated like humans unless they are employees who are being forced.

236137 ▶▶ annie, replying to Alexei, 11, #1296 of 1468 🔗

Believe me, nobody here ever forgets the anguish of those whose businesses. are being slaughtered. Spare a thought, too, for freelancers and self-employed whose income has just vanished, no furlough.
Never forget, never forgive.

236199 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to annie, 3, #1297 of 1468 🔗

Yep – know someone who works [backstage] in music & similar events, she has been a prudent saver so can get through for a little bit longer, but many of her contemporaries will be, no exaggeration, destroyed, financially and mentally. Plus they will certainly not be the ones who show up on the employment stats, which generally only note ft or pt employees on PAYE or payroll schemes…

236163 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Alexei, 7, #1298 of 1468 🔗

I’ve now had to close by business twice and the few months that I could reopen, revenue was down 60%. I’m fortunate as my wife’s job hasn’t been affected (apart from the general stress / PSTD that all people are feeling which seems to have made everyone very tense and short tempered in her office).

One thing thats increasingly stopped me from melting down since this all started is reading history books. Something that I’d not done much of before. It’s become clear that mankind has made some bloody stupid decisions since dot but has always eventually come to its senses and sorted things out. The same will happen here. As Peter Hitchens said some time ago, stay angry but patient.

I’m currently reading the below about The Great Depression in the US. Some of the parallels are frightening. We have a long way to go.

One thing that’s struck me from the book is how wrong the commonly held view is that The New Deal turned things around. Like all Government interventions, it mostly got in the way of recovery. It was the act of courageous risk taking individual citizens that made the difference.

The Forgotten Man by Amity Shlaes


236058 Steeve, 5, #1299 of 1468 🔗

I picked someone up from a Medical Assessment Unit the other day. I got to the hospital at 7PM. No greeter nor temperature taken in the foyer as per daytime.
I made my way down to the ward and cautiously walked in! The nurses station was near the entrance and I explained who I was picking up. I then waited just outside the ward. Plenty of activity, staff levels seemed good and two patients were brought in by the porters. Staff spirits also appeared upbeat. No big deal I was there loitering near the ward entrance. On the way out we met one of the nurses from the ward. She was quite young and chatty with a spring in her step. I have a theory about some young people in certain jobs – they think they are part of the “war effort” – This reinforces a sense of real worth to society and adds an infusion of theatre to life.
Anyway I digress, if you erased the masks (sorry me too) it would have been a “normal” experience.
Sorry no it wasn’t – I was not allowed into the ward itself to pick up my friend!

236070 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 5, #1300 of 1468 🔗

Man shot dead by Police in Swindon-

For holding “a pellet gun”

“Eyewitnesses said armed officers shot one of the men, who was holding what appeared to be a rifle-style pellet gun, in the chest”.


Wow. I know that holding anything that looks like a gun when armed cops say drop it is a bad idea but really? These guys are gun fans and they should be a ble to tell if its a pellet gun or not.

What are the chances of an ordinary guy, who they could check for a firearms licence easily enough, would have a real rifle? Slim as fuck.

So if he has a gun and isn’t know for armed offences….If it looks like a Webly Airsporter S from the 80’s or a Dianna G3. Then it probably is an air rifle. and even a face nappy would provide some useful protection from its pellets.

Yer better safe than sorry, wear the face nappies and shoot first….

236078 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, #1301 of 1468 🔗

Air gun?

236108 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1302 of 1468 🔗

Yes… Air rifle with scope! Nothing out of the ordinary! I’ve two…

236256 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Two-Six, #1303 of 1468 🔗


236254 ▶▶ John P, replying to Two-Six, #1304 of 1468 🔗

To be fair, it is not the first time this has happened.

236077 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 14, #1305 of 1468 🔗


Comment: No problems with the police, they made us disperse at the beginning but they left us alone once we started walking through the city

236080 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #1306 of 1468 🔗


236082 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #1307 of 1468 🔗

Thanks for the report!

236088 AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 3, #1308 of 1468 🔗

Very good summary of red flags in US election that merit further investigation.

“There’s No Evidence of Voter Fraud” Stream


236099 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 2, #1309 of 1468 🔗

I’m just wondering why they (DNC) aren’t talking about RUSSIA MEDDLING!

236138 ▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Voz 0db, #1310 of 1468 🔗

Give it time ….

236192 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Voz 0db, 1, #1311 of 1468 🔗

Same reason they aren’t talking about the super-spreader Harris, who was at an event not social distancing…. nor the Biden supporters who have been partying at super-spreader events nationwide….

236187 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 1, #1312 of 1468 🔗


236089 Two-Six, 4, #1313 of 1468 🔗

Tonight Live at 9:30-Mark Windows with the latest on the musings of the 1% that have just taken possession of our souls.


Live chat IS available!

236095 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 8, #1314 of 1468 🔗

Conversation with Sir Desmond Swayne MP – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L0wRskj_qU
Finally an MP who actually understands the concerns of lockdown sceptics. Interesting listening to him talk at length.

236253 ▶▶ John P, replying to Darryl, 2, #1315 of 1468 🔗

He is a lockdown sceptic.

236100 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #1316 of 1468 🔗

The Guardian: NHS England suspends one-to-one nursing for critically ill Covid patients.

236105 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Tom Blackburn, 7, #1317 of 1468 🔗

What’s the surprise… if any?!

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236107 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #1318 of 1468 🔗

But the PROPAGANDA is awesome…

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236116 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Voz 0db, 8, #1319 of 1468 🔗

Might be true for Mr. Lincoln, but I’m sure there are tens of thousands of Mr. Lincoln’s who have not had their urgent care needs addressed.

236251 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 1, #1320 of 1468 🔗

Abe’s happy.

236267 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, #1321 of 1468 🔗

hence the “PROPAGANDA”!

236102 maw1965, replying to maw1965, 14, #1322 of 1468 🔗

Re the post on NHS staffing, it is actually even more concerning.

If you check any NHS HR website you will see that staff are allowed to self certify vulnerability. Line managers are not even allowed to ask what the claimed vulnerability is!

Seems to be an open invitation to stay home on full pay!

236115 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to maw1965, 28, #1323 of 1468 🔗

I don’t understand what has gotten into so-called health professionals. They were always at risk of picking up something from patients and, most of all, in hospitals which are the most likely places to catch things. They’re acting as if this is Ebola (don’t ask whether anyone would show up for something truly frightening…I think we know the answer). It’s as if firefighters one day realized, out of the blue, that fires burn and sometimes kill people so they’ll just hold the water hose and take a pass on running into the burning building to save anyone inside. Healthcare professionals signed on for risk and now they’re “vulnerable” and can — in the case of doctors — work from home and not see actual patients. But it’s just fine for delivery people, grocery workers, bus drivers, etc. to keep people and goods moving so the Zoomocracy can be well fed and buy what they need online. F’ing cowards.

236131 ▶▶ annie, replying to maw1965, 3, #1324 of 1468 🔗

Be careful. Remember that nappy refuseniks are self-certifying. It can be useful.

236231 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to annie, 1, #1325 of 1468 🔗

We don’t get paid to not wear face nappies though!

236139 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to maw1965, 3, #1326 of 1468 🔗

This is coming into my work. I heard talk last week about “self risk assessments”. I cannot in any honestly see how that’s right without some form of occupational health involvement. I really can’t.

236147 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Leemc23, 7, #1327 of 1468 🔗

Well, I’ve done a self risk assessment on face nappies and sorry, they are just too risky for self.

236121 Cotton, replying to Cotton, 12, #1328 of 1468 🔗

Does anyone know who organised the Manchester protest? Fucktard police have issued with 10k fine. Wasn’t able to go due to kids but would like to put money towards helping whoever has been left with this from the same police force that is a OK with any antifa or blm protests.

236124 ▶▶ Quernus, replying to Cotton, 8, #1329 of 1468 🔗

His name is Paul Boys, and it looks as though he got around the fine issue by “going for a walk”! But absolutely shocking that permission was revoked so close to the start time. Here’s a link to an update he posted 4 hours ago. I went today along with some friends – there were a lot of people there, and it was a great atmosphere. We left before the police started to close it all down.


236130 ▶▶▶ Nic, replying to Quernus, 6, #1330 of 1468 🔗

I left at 3 30 on the drive out noticed lots of riot Van’s heading towards the city centre . No need for it it was a very peaceful demoj

236158 ▶▶▶▶ Quernus, replying to Nic, 5, #1331 of 1468 🔗

There was a lovely atmosphere, Nic, wasn’t there?! Yes, absolutely no need for the police to get heavy-handed – unless there was a desire to discourage future protests and/or incite a response so they can be even more heavy-handed…

236179 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Nic, 7, #1332 of 1468 🔗

I’m afraid the OTT response is par for the course in anti-lockdown demos. Other dirty tricks include declaring the gathering illegal just before it’s due to start (happened today), warning somebody on the demo that they weren’t social distancing/masking so should disperse, then using that as an excuse to wade in with batons, arresting organisers three or four days after the demo and issuing them with a 10k fine.

We will have our day however.

236162 ▶▶▶ Cotton, replying to Quernus, 7, #1333 of 1468 🔗

Thanks, just looking at the MEN which reported in prototypical wankerish way. I love the hysterical victorian lady style that “social distancing was not followed”

236164 ▶▶▶▶ Quernus, replying to Cotton, 6, #1334 of 1468 🔗

The comments were equally hysterical, sadly, Cotton – we are all just selfish and dangerous, and are prolonging this dreadful pandemic for everyone… I spoke to one police officer just as things were getting going. I wanted to get an idea of how “bought in” to the official narrative they are. Turns out he was a paid up member of the “I know people who have had it, and you should go visit an ICU” club.

236185 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cotton, replying to Quernus, 9, #1335 of 1468 🔗

I have to try and keep my rage in check with people like that. They can’t even engage when you say about the number of cancer patients who are going to die horrible deaths or any one of a myriad of other diseases will far outweigh any potential covid deaths. As soon as someone starts saying “you should go to the icu” or similar you know there is no arguing with them. They have swallowed the koolaid.

236216 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Quernus, 9, #1336 of 1468 🔗

So wish they had said that to my partner who is a nurse, so could have informed the officer he does visit and ICU every working day and still thinks locking down health people and destroying the economy is bonkers.

236303 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Quernus, 2, #1337 of 1468 🔗

“I know people who have had it, and you should go visit an ICU”

Most likely what they’ve been told to say.

236167 ▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Quernus, 6, #1338 of 1468 🔗

Thanks for the post and link. That guy is a legend and watching his video has given me a lot of hope.

236203 ▶▶▶▶ Quernus, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 6, #1339 of 1468 🔗

My pleasure 🙂 He’s pretty inspiring – I love that there are new leaders springing up all over the place, from unexpected places, to challenge the failing status quo 🙂 Gives me hope too 🙂

236224 ▶▶▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Quernus, 1, #1340 of 1468 🔗


236229 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Quernus, 5, #1341 of 1468 🔗

Here’s some useful advice for organisers, from the comments:

Well done keep it up! Hull went well no arrests, no fines.
My lay advise is describe the events as a petition and prayer. The English Constitution allows for this. If they ask for your name and address give it, then you will get a summons, the summons will ask whether you want a hearing, say yes. Then present your defence as Bill of Rights article 5, 10, 12. Article 1&2 is also a valid defence. If the court ignores this, it goes to appeal and the high court. Robin Tilbrook, Tilbrook solicitors will assist once the summons is sent back with hearing wanted. This is unlawful under our English Constitution. The British do not have a constitution. Contact me if you need more explanation.

236302 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Quernus, 2, #1342 of 1468 🔗

Thanks for posting.

What a great video and what a great young man; very calm and level-headed.

236125 AN other lockdown sceptic, 5, #1343 of 1468 🔗

Climate change protesters strangely treated differently by the Police in Oz than lockdown protesters.

Very odd …. who’d have thought it!?


236127 Nic, replying to Nic, 27, #1344 of 1468 🔗

Lots of demos this weekend I was at the manchester1 there were thousands there not hundreds which was reported in the MSM also lots of people out and about ignoring the stay at home order .think the government are rattled as they have told the police to clamp down more.
It’s the end of the beginning things are at last turning in our favour intersting times ahead

236129 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Nic, 15, #1345 of 1468 🔗

It’s the end of the beginning things are at last turning in our favour interesting times ahead

My thoughts and hopes entirely.

236186 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Nic, 5, #1346 of 1468 🔗

Loads of people in my small provincial city just milling about with no obvious ‘reasonable excuse’ for not self imprisoning.
Zero Police presence.

236241 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Nic, 7, #1347 of 1468 🔗

I actually think it is the beginning of the end, rather than the end of the beginning.
I am a bit (not much) more optimistic now.

236258 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Nic, 4, #1348 of 1468 🔗

I would also say, “beginning of the end”; once the people start turning against you, things change quickly.

The people in the German demonstration shown earlier know this; they remember ‘the wall’, and what the people behind it went through, and they don’t/won’t forget.

Don’t forget, according to Toby’s No. 10 ‘insider’, the Quad are supposedly ‘terrified’ that they (the Tories) will lose the people’s support.

They’ve lost it already! If Johnson wants to turn this round (so that he can stop being ‘terrified’), he needs to change NOW!

236133 Mabel Cow, replying to Mabel Cow, 11, #1349 of 1468 🔗

Panscepticon now has overall user statistics , including a leaderboard for likes.

Will you be in the top 50? 😀

(Note: I’m having trouble with user accounts where the owner has changed the name over time. Currently, “Fred” and “fred” will be considered to be distinct users and so their likes and posts will be split across the accounts. I’m going to see if I can find a more robust identifier for users than the user name, but until then, some people’s stats will be under-reported.)

236140 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #1350 of 1468 🔗

Awesome! 🙂

236149 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #1351 of 1468 🔗

Like Trump and trump? Suddenly it all makes sense!

236155 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #1352 of 1468 🔗

Quite funny that “Neil Ferguson” once posted on here.

236213 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Mabel Cow, 5, #1353 of 1468 🔗

Props to Mayo holding the top spot!

236269 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to JHuntz, 1, #1354 of 1468 🔗

Poor Mayo – we don’t mind the occasional squirt on our chips!

236143 John Galt, replying to John Galt, 10, #1355 of 1468 🔗

What do you think the government’s next play is going to be? Their momentum is clearly dying by the day, so I’m wondering what they’re going to try next to drag this out. As it stands I don’t know how they’ll even reach December, let alone beyond that.

I think they’re hoping that their mass testing programs give them the infection numbers they need, but the one in Liverpool appears to have been roundly rejected. Will they make a push towards mandatory testing?

236146 ▶▶ annie, replying to John Galt, 15, #1356 of 1468 🔗

They can push.
We can push back.

236209 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to annie, 1, #1357 of 1468 🔗

Equal and opposite reaction ….

236154 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to John Galt, 9, #1358 of 1468 🔗

For me, they will maybe sack a big player. Would that do it? Blame Hancock for the leak, bring in a new voice from the rebel stock in the party? Would Hunt be back for it? He’s a shill for the Pharma industry but it could buy them time? Soften the rebeks with a little more the ‘living with the virus’ platitudes without really moving the dial very much. If not Hunt then maybe one of the rebels themselves.

As for Lockdown III. It simply isn’t feasible now youd think. Not in its current form anyway.

To be clear, I’m just throwing in Hunts name. He offers nothing but the Conservatives are on borrowed time within the Cabinet. They’ll have to do something

236173 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #1359 of 1468 🔗

They’ll double down. They won’t be stopped.

236242 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #1360 of 1468 🔗

They will be stopped.

236175 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #1361 of 1468 🔗

Replace johnsons claque with a government led by Sir Charles Walker and the Tories might survive.

236188 ▶▶▶▶ dommo, replying to karenovirus, 1, #1362 of 1468 🔗

you’d have to replace all the MPs that voted for lockdown though…

236177 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 8, #1363 of 1468 🔗

Can’t see them sacking anyone because they would know where the bodies are buried.

236200 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #1364 of 1468 🔗

Nothing short of Swayne for PM and Walker and all the other ‘Against’ voters for the rest of the cabinet, will make me vote for them ever again.

236210 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1365 of 1468 🔗

I am not keen on Hunt. Steve Baker would be better

236300 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1366 of 1468 🔗

Hunt? God, no!

236171 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to John Galt, 6, #1367 of 1468 🔗

Nobody believes them anymore, not even panic buying this time.

236191 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to John Galt, 7, #1368 of 1468 🔗

Covid 20? The set up is in with the mink stories and the endless scare stories about mutants from Spain etc. Otherwise they’re completely fucked.

236215 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #1369 of 1468 🔗

Worrying because the leaked memo from Canada mentioned Covid mutating.They seem to pushing this narrative.Furlough until March, the government is not giving up anytime soon.

236243 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #1370 of 1468 🔗

Canada? I live in the UK.

236249 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to John P, 1, #1371 of 1468 🔗

Oh I forgot there is no worldwide conson

236252 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #1372 of 1468 🔗


236259 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #1373 of 1468 🔗

Believe that if you want Jonathan.

236271 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to John P, 3, #1374 of 1468 🔗

It’s not what I believe,it’s what the evidence is pointing to.Article in the Guardian regarding Johnson and Biden and the slogan build back better.Johnson believes it means a green industrial revolution.
Remember this is in response to a virus.

236207 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to John Galt, 6, #1375 of 1468 🔗

I thought they turned out in droves to be tested in Liverpool. Was that just all the idiots on the first day?

236247 ▶▶▶ Bella, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1376 of 1468 🔗

Think that might have been the MSM?

236266 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1377 of 1468 🔗

Logical you’d start with the 2000 Army personal. OK civvies for the testing lads and lasses!!

236208 ▶▶ wendy, replying to John Galt, 4, #1378 of 1468 🔗

Not having a mandatory test or a vaccine.

236219 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to John Galt, 4, #1379 of 1468 🔗

The false positives rate will likely be used to bring in more and more testing and more and more testing will produce false positives and “cases” and you will never ever escape this. Getting the false positives out and in peoples heads is vital. No one else I know seems aware that it’s a reality. They think the test is bang on each and every time

236244 ▶▶▶ Bella, replying to Leemc23, 2, #1380 of 1468 🔗

Think it’s pretty obvious now that the tests are useless. Lots of YouTube videos about false positives.

236264 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to John Galt, 1, #1381 of 1468 🔗

Not sure I’d want to give them any ideas; they certainly read this forum.

236144 calchas, replying to calchas, 16, #1382 of 1468 🔗

Absolutely huge demo in Leipzig yesteday.


In German – but skip through it to get an idea of how big it was.

236150 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to calchas, 6, #1383 of 1468 🔗

The level of resistance here IN Northern Ireland is woeful. Many are going to monthly protests, but the numbers seem to already be dwindling. The number of police atStormont yesterday was sending a statement. The event had to be moved last minute. Those attending are heros.

236148 JHuntz, replying to JHuntz, 19, #1384 of 1468 🔗

Set off some fireworks last night at 8pm with family in field near my sisters house. the baby wasn’t a fan and my mum took her home. On the way way back she heard a full street of hysterical neighbours complaining with one having called the cops.

Can only presume it was due to us not following the ‘rule’. This is what our society has become!

236159 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to JHuntz, 7, #1385 of 1468 🔗

Fearful ignorant people

236172 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to jhfreedom, 12, #1386 of 1468 🔗

Must be utterly vile beings to be so full of spite. Have discovered an extended family member is snitching for all they’re worth. Sickened to share any genes with them.

236157 jhfreedom, replying to jhfreedom, 29, #1387 of 1468 🔗

DM reporting on someone in Wigan getting a fine for having a cuppa with a friend. Two observations:

1. Neighbours clearly snitched and should burn in hell for their ignorance

2. He should not have let them in the door, they have no right of entry

Know the law folks…

236196 ▶▶ CGL, replying to jhfreedom, 3, #1388 of 1468 🔗

With regard to this, do they have to catch you red-handed?
Or can they come for you later?

236205 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to CGL, 4, #1389 of 1468 🔗

For a FPN they would have to catch you in the act.I couldn’t see witness statements and an interview leading to a trial for having someone around for a cup of tea.

236214 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to CGL, 2, #1390 of 1468 🔗

Good Question…red handed I would say. Unless you got filmed by your neighbours/cctv/spy camera

236202 ▶▶ wendy, replying to jhfreedom, 6, #1391 of 1468 🔗

Just refuse to pay it. I think some lawyers as advising this.

236245 ▶▶ jb12, replying to jhfreedom, #1392 of 1468 🔗

Is #2 the case in Scotland too? I read that it isn’t in Wales.

236161 DThom, replying to DThom, 8, #1393 of 1468 🔗

Having a ‘discussion’ on another forum with a clever dick who reckons that the views of Gupta and the GBD have been trashed by everyone. Also says that the virus is 10 times more deadly than flu.
Can someone point me in the right direction to disprove these ‘facts’
He’s a right know all so would like to push back.

236165 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to DThom, 7, #1394 of 1468 🔗

Ivor Cummings video in todays roundup

236169 ▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to karenovirus, #1395 of 1468 🔗

Beat me to it!

236176 ▶▶▶ DThom, replying to karenovirus, #1396 of 1468 🔗


236168 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to DThom, 2, #1397 of 1468 🔗

Hmmmmm…odd sort of queries to bring here.

236181 ▶▶ CGL, replying to DThom, 3, #1398 of 1468 🔗

Yes – the others are spot on – Ivor and Ioannidis
But do these people look around them in real life – where are the piles of bodies?

236182 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to DThom, 5, #1399 of 1468 🔗

10x more deadly than the flu, really? So I take it said clever dick hasn’t touched a chip & pin machine terminal in over 8+ months, lest he immediately fall ill due to the instant transmission from 50,100, whatever, infected fingers having been all over it?
Failing that: Bulletin of the W.H.O. Article ID: BLT.20.265892
John P. Loannidis – peer reviewed.
“In people <70 years, infection fatality rates ranged from 0.00% to 0.31% with crude and corrected medians of 0.05%”

236183 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to DThom, 3, #1400 of 1468 🔗

An Ivor Cummings video would put him straight….but he is probably beyond hope

236198 ▶▶ wendy, replying to DThom, 2, #1401 of 1468 🔗

WHO have John Ioannodis paper on IFR and CEBM Carl Heneghan. For children and young people and working age people way less of a problem then flu. For older and sick people more of a problem than flu.

236221 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to DThom, 4, #1403 of 1468 🔗

Show him this: it’s the Radio 4 interview in which Vallance shows that, at the time (13th March), he agreed fully with the views of Gupta and the GBD.




“We want to suppress it, not get rid of it completely, which you can’t do anyway , not supress it so you get the 2nd peak, and also, allow enough of us, who are going to get mild illness to become immune to this to help with the whole population response which would protect everybody .”

236246 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Jonny S., #1405 of 1468 🔗

Did someone say we are in the midst of a second wave?

236248 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 3, #1406 of 1468 🔗

Just wait, two more weeks……

236265 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to DThom, #1407 of 1468 🔗

I found the section entitled The bogus narrative to be the most useful and persuasive section of Ivor latest video.

236212 Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 12, #1408 of 1468 🔗

Doesn’t bode well:

“The Biden-Harris transition team hit the ground running Sunday, the day after media outlets projected him the winner of the presidential race, by launching its website and social media pages. The website, Buildbackbetter.com , lists the coronavirus pandemic, economic recovery, racial equity and climate change as its priority issues.”

Hmmm, where have I heard “build back better” before? A Republican senate is the only bulwark against the Great Reset.

236218 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 5, #1409 of 1468 🔗

wow so predictable. that’s incredible.

236220 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 8, #1410 of 1468 🔗

Trump is not beaten yet.

236226 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to calchas, 4, #1411 of 1468 🔗

Depends if he can get the fraud proven and overturned.

236222 ▶▶ dommo, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 14, #1412 of 1468 🔗

going right off the deep end here – but anyway, i’m going to bed now:-

“6 uild 6 ack 6 etter”

236260 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to dommo, 1, #1413 of 1468 🔗

Lol! Well I hope it’s an lol after someone pointed out the meaning of Sunak’s finance company’s name…

It’s a bit like that old Hammer Horror film scene where someone finally works out that Alucard is Dracula written backwards.

236234 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 6, #1414 of 1468 🔗

Donald J Trump will be inaugurated on January 20th. Many of he Republican senators are never-Trumpers and are bought into the system.

236237 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Londo Mollari, 8, #1415 of 1468 🔗

Let’s hope he does pull through, he isn’t perfect but still infinitely more preferable.

236273 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 2, #1416 of 1468 🔗

Got to laugh at their front.

236276 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 4, #1417 of 1468 🔗

Masks everywhere. It’s definitely a tool of social conditioning

236227 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 12, #1418 of 1468 🔗

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/11/08/ministers-warn-lockdown-flouters-police-preparing-escalate-response/ (paywall) but basically it says that despite the pubs, cafes and non essential (read small businesses) being forced to close, people were out in their droves . Reminds me of the fall of the Eastern Bloc.

236233 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to arfurmo, 10, #1419 of 1468 🔗

Me too. I suspect just like when the Soviet bloc fell and you were hard pushed to find anyone who admitted to being a commie, you will be hard pushed to find very few hardcore bedwetters once things change with this nonsense.

As Simon Dolan keeps saying ‘Its all over when we decide it is’.

236235 ▶▶ dommo, replying to arfurmo, 11, #1420 of 1468 🔗

they’re going to have to escalate it a hell of a lot to make 126,000 police officers deal effectively with 52,000,000 adults

and it really is such good PR to threaten the people who pay your wages isn’t it…

236282 ▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to dommo, 3, #1421 of 1468 🔗

….. and who live amongst us, and expect neighbourliness whist at the same time repressing us? I’m sorry, but that won’t float.

236417 ▶▶▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to James Leary #KBF, #1422 of 1468 🔗

Indeed – that is one of the most effective methods of resistance- make the police feel shame individually outside of uniform.

236239 ▶▶ Bella, replying to arfurmo, 8, #1423 of 1468 🔗

Amazing how these spokespeople (unnamed of course) all trot out the same cliches as ‘keeping the R number down’ (meaningless, ask Yeadon) and ‘defeating the virus’ whilst ‘saving lives’ yawn yawn. How many cancer and heart disease lives have we saved?

236261 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to arfurmo, 6, #1424 of 1468 🔗

This is going to end very badly for the Police. They are very quickly (if they have not already) lost the public.

Police bosses need to stop and have a real good think to themselves and realise they are being played by the Government.

Forgive me if you think I’m exagerrating. Off duty police are going to start getting attacked by gangs; police are going to start getting their windows put in.

I would not want to be a cop at the moment.

236278 ▶▶ calchas, replying to arfurmo, 2, #1425 of 1468 🔗

EScalation plans are good news. Escalations cause reactions amd then a cascade of events which become increasingly difficult to predict and control.

Loss of control is exactly what is required.

236286 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to calchas, 4, #1426 of 1468 🔗

Yes it’s encouraging to hear Patel start threatening the public for what? Walking out in the sunshine.The fear propaganda has lost its potency.
It’s hard to run a police state without a police state apparatus.

236289 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 2, #1427 of 1468 🔗

Yes it’s encouraging to hear Patel start threatening the public for what? Walking out in the sunshine.The fear propaganda has lost its potency.

Guys, you are on fire, here. Brilliant point, JP.

236287 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to calchas, 2, #1428 of 1468 🔗

EScalation plans are good news. Escalations cause reactions amd then a cascade of events which become increasingly difficult to predict and control.

This is such a great point.

236230 Nsklent, replying to Nsklent, 23, #1429 of 1468 🔗

I have just watched the abuse by the police of the Scottish piper, and Speakers corner and I hate the way I now feel about our police force, being brought up on Dixon of Dock Green and a credible reassurance our police really were a force of consent. Added to this I have spent 30 years in so called authoritarian regimes or dictatorships,( including Iraq under Saddam), as the West would call them. Do you know what scares me most, in all those 30 years, I never felt the fear as I did when I returned from the ME for the first LD and my first trip out against the rules. Likewise today, I drove 100 miles to attend my parents grave and a village memorial which includes my great uncle who was in the RAF. No worries, I was ready for any plod attack. But what was so soul destroying was that a mile awsy from the village is a roadside veg market, it’s been there since I was a child, 50 years plus, so I intended to stop for some flowers and veg. As I indicated to go in, what was there but 2 cop cars. Once, I would not even have used the word cop, becsuse I always felt it was derogatory, but now they deserve nothing less.
I cannot believe after 30 years of rubbing along ok with so called authoritarian police, the ones that now make me feel uneasy and fearful, not afraid, it is quite different, are the police in my own country, and I despise them for it.

Fearful, that queasy feeling, what scrap am I going to have to endure now …

236238 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Nsklent, 5, #1430 of 1468 🔗

Both in the US and Europe the methods which have been used in places like Iraq for decades are now been brought home – see the increasing militarization of the police.

236255 ▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to calchas, 4, #1431 of 1468 🔗

But my point being, that I never had a deep seated fear, or rather you expected a certain behaviour, but the difference being that the UK police have always been assumed as a benign force, that is to the law abiding. I knew in Baghdad and other countries what I was dealing with, but now I see my country’s police force as much worse, as they masquerade as one thing, but deliver something else. As I said, I never feared the authoritarian police, it was a known beast, but our police force are now beyond contempt.

236263 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Nsklent, 2, #1432 of 1468 🔗

My point was slightly different.

I meant that the methods employed by the US and UK military in Iraq and elsewhere will be increasingly focused on the civilian populations in the homelands as economic conditions worsen and discontent spreads.

From Fallujah to Felixstowe

rom Basra to Birmingham

We are seeing it already.

236316 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Nsklent, #1433 of 1468 🔗

By chance I am right now watching an old Alex Jones documentary that I titled ‘Police State 2000’ but which looks older.
Alex chases around the USA evidencing the militarization of the public sphere.

236250 SilentP, replying to SilentP, 5, #1434 of 1468 🔗

Manchester protest – Cannot find a mention of it on the BBC website.
Very different perspective taken by different newspapers. Is the Daily Mail of all papers a member of this site?

236275 ▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to SilentP, 2, #1435 of 1468 🔗

I was on the Brighton March. The DM quotes one ‘George Taylor’, condemning the participants. He was taking pictures, I saw him. He’s a quite well known local self publicist (in certain circles), 21 very narcissistic years on this earth, and wants to be a LibDem councillor. Need I say more? BUT, the DM was trying to buy his photos off him on his Twitter feed, and therefore is complicit.

236257 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 8, #1436 of 1468 🔗

We are now being told on the front page of one of the newspapers that GCHQ is being given a role in stopping so- called “anti-vaxxer propaganda”. This gets more Orwellian by the moment. It’s not as though such propaganda has been stunningly successful to date is it? Standard vaccinations have climbed from about three to (might be wrong but I think it’s 82) over an average lifetime) over the last six decades.

What’s the point in an allegedly free society if you’re not allowed to discuss something as important to our health as vaccination?

236262 ▶▶ Nsklent, replying to OKUK, 3, #1437 of 1468 🔗

Sorry, why do you refer to genuine concerns about vaccines as propoganda. Tried and tested is one thing, but why combine MMR, and make it so difficult for parents to obtain separate vaccines. There is a big issue at the moment about serious side affects from the polio vaccine in Africa, please refer to the UN for confirmation of this. If modern vaccines are so safe, why do the pharma companies all have indemnity. The government in the UK have even issued indemnity to those that administer the vaccine – so basically anyone can give it, even if their method is harmful.

236277 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Nsklent, 2, #1438 of 1468 🔗

I’m quoting the newspaper (admittedly from memory). I think we need a reasoned debate about vaccination especially as the stated aim of the Vaccine Centre supported by both Imperial College and LSHTM is to develop vaccines for every (!) disease…so we will administer hundreds of vaccines to children. I’d like to see a moratorium on new vaccines for a year during which we should consider removing some existing vaccines whilst putting in place new protocols for assessing whether to proceed with new vaccines. In many cases it might make sense to vaccinate those with a high risk profile, but not the general population.

236272 John P, replying to John P, 13, #1439 of 1468 🔗

Philosophical point.

My own view is more that humanity tends to suffer from collective delusions. And now we are in the midst of a particularly severe one. Rather than looking at this from the perspective of one “side” or another, I find it better to try to view it in an abstract way. It’s less personal that way.

I realised last night that the so-called “climate emergency” and the “covid pandemic” actually have a lot in common.

In both cases humanity has decided (collectively) that we are responsible (or guilty).

With “climate change” the idea goes that we are responsible for global warming and can control the weather and we must therefore suppress carbon to save the planet. If we do not then it is modelled that millions will die.

With the “covid pandemic” the idea goes that there is a global deadly plague – that may have been man-made – and that we can control this virus and we must therefore suppress the virus to save lives. If we do not then it is modelled that millions will die.

This is a big change from recent prior centuries. When most of the developed world believed in God (I am not shilling for religion just making the observation), in particular the Christian version of religion we had similar phenomena:

A “biblical flood” and “biblical plagues”. In both cases these global phenomena were not our responsibility, but God’s retribution on a sinful people.

It seems as though we have given up believing in God, but have not given up believing in the disasters of “flood” and “plague” and no longer having a belief in God we instead view these as of our own making.

Mankind has become grandiose. We have no (collective) humility. We think we know it all. We even think we can understand the nature of the universe.

I may have a reasonable amount of knowledge, but I certainly do not know it all. In terms of the origins and nature of this virus. I actually do not know if it is man-made, I just think it is unlikely.

And similarly I – personally – do not believe that this is a global conspiracy. Again I think it is unlikely, but I certainly do not know the whole picture. And I certainly do think that some are taking full advantage of this situation to promote their own – sometimes very disturbing – agendas.

236279 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to John P, 3, #1440 of 1468 🔗

Theres certainly been elements of mass hysteria.

236281 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to John P, 6, #1441 of 1468 🔗

For many climate change is a religion.
Chesterton said that when men stop believing in God they don’t believe in nothing they believe in everything.
I believe that this is indeed a conspiracy and it shares so many traits with the Covid scam.Dodgy computer models chief among them.It seems you are coming around to my point of view with your last paragraph

236283 ▶▶ ziggee, replying to John P, 4, #1442 of 1468 🔗

I too have noticed the similarities between Covid and the G. Warming debate.
In fact it was the way the BBC have uncritically presented the case for Authoritarian measures to ‘protect’ the people that made me question the similar way they present the GW issue.
Whilst the mad response to Covid is obviously bogus, I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that GW is equally questionable.
By that I mean the causes, rather than the fact.

236320 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to ziggee, #1443 of 1468 🔗

The two issues are essentially a cut and paste job, then change a few words.
The temperature is not warming but drifting down since 2002, and the supposed cause is wholly bogus.

236438 ▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to ziggee, #1444 of 1468 🔗
236288 ▶▶ Edward, replying to John P, 4, #1445 of 1468 🔗

Scientific study of physical, chemical and biological processes can produce a deep level of understanding of those processes on their own. But it’s a different level of problem to try and predict the behaviour of a complex system in which many such processes are interacting. And how humans behave in various situations is even less amenable to scientific study.

236318 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to John P, 2, #1446 of 1468 🔗

The Enlightenment removed God (inadvertently, for many Enlightenment thinkers were hostile to atheism) in the pursuit of “pure reason”. The French Revolution sought to eradicate Christianity. But Robespierre realized that people can’t do without a belief system, so he instigated the Cult of the Supreme Being. The Supreme Being is of course Homo sapiens, veiled, and Robespierre’s reason cult lives on. In all the personality cults, from Napoleon to the Kims, Xi, Trump (!) and Corbyn, and in all the perfect-future manias from Leninism and Nazism to Thunbergism and zero covid.
Religion fosters many evils, especially when based on dodgy translations of ancient books held up to be sacrosanct, and especially when institutionalized. But it has one great advantage over rationalism: it develops systems for accepting human imperfection, whereas rationalism fosters the delusion that everything can and will be known and solved in the perfect political future.
Rationalism will always fail, because the Supreme Being is nothing of the sort: he’s actually just an overcomplicated, flatulent simian who grabbed hold of an evolutionary opportunity and ran with it. And he will always end up wrecking himself and those around him. Religion can be incredibly irritating, but something important – doubt interweaving with humility – was lost when it was cut down to size in the 18th century. And that something needs to be restored.

236280 calchas, replying to calchas, 5, #1447 of 1468 🔗

Droves of people out today.

#mock the shamdemic

236284 ▶▶ Chess nut, replying to calchas, #1448 of 1468 🔗

We the people outnumber the Police, Military, weak & cowardly MPs. Time to stand up to the bullies and CRUSH them.

236285 calchas, replying to calchas, 9, #1449 of 1468 🔗

The term ‘anti-vaxxer’ used to denote someone who was against all vaccinations.

Now, it is used to denote anybody who has any questions about any vaccine for any reason.

How did that happen?

236296 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to calchas, 4, #1450 of 1468 🔗

Mission creep.

236298 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to calchas, 4, #1451 of 1468 🔗

Discussions regarding the safety regarding the safety and efficacy of vaccines is not generally permitted. On that basis it is safe to assume that Big Pharma and the medical authorities are hiding something nasty, that they don’t want you to know. The vaccine tsar himself, Bill Gates pours many millions every year into the media and small wonder that reporting on vaccines is hardly ever objective.

236411 ▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to calchas, #1452 of 1468 🔗

The same way “racism” was changed to mean anyone white

236290 calchas, 6, #1453 of 1468 🔗

Somebody mentioned earlier the fall of the Communist regimes iin Eastern Europe in 1989.

Honecker, Ceaucescu and the others mist be kicking themselves in their graves that they never came up with the idea of declaring a pandemic in order to head off the demonstrations.

Dieter :”Hey, let’s go and break through he Berlin Wall”

Helmut: “No, stay home, stay safe”

236292 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 2, #1454 of 1468 🔗

I saw this blurb in the Guardian at the end of an article written by Thomas Frank:

The Guardian has no shareholders or billionaire owner, meaning our journalism is free from influence and vested interests – this makes us different. Our editorial independence and autonomy allows us to provide fearless investigations and analysis of those with political and commercial power. We can give a voice to the oppressed and neglected, and help bring about a brighter, fairer future.

236315 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to richard riewer, 3, #1455 of 1468 🔗

Fortunately it also means the thing is going to go bust soon and it can’t come soon enough

236301 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1456 of 1468 🔗

it’s all over for the dictator, the people are taking to the streets and they will prevail

236312 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1457 of 1468 🔗

Local Live
‘Spooky pictures of City centre streets deserted during lockdown’.

Not what I’ve seen every day since Thursday but it is clear from the light and shadows that the one photo of an actual street was taken very early in the morning.
The others were taken within privately owned shopping centres which will have security barring access.

236305 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1458 of 1468 🔗

Pack of lies from the Guardian .


NHS England has decided to temporarily suspend the 1:1 rule as the number of people who are in hospital very sick with Covid has soared to 11,514…

No, they aren’t very sick! Thousands aren’t even being treated for Covid.

…of whom 986 are on a ventilator.

No, they aren’t!

236314 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1459 of 1468 🔗

Another inexplicable language failure. I’ll correct once more: “the number of people who are in hospital sadly very very sick indeed with covid-19”

236317 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #1460 of 1468 🔗

“sadly very very sick indeed”

I like your style. 😉

236307 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1461 of 1468 🔗


One Cabinet minister last night told the Daily Mail that Mr Johnson felt he had been pushed into the decision.


Downing Street last night denied that the PM felt he had been bounced into the lockdown.


Britain’s Covid-19 response is doing more harm than good, a group of 469 doctors and academics has warned. In an open letter to Mr Johnson, they say the Government’s approach is ‘disproportionate’ and widespread testing is ‘exaggerating’ the scale of the risk.


A Government spokesman said: ‘It is completely wrong to suggest the Government is exaggerating the data. The restrictions have been introduced to save lives and protect the NHS. We have been guided by the advice of experts from Sage from the outset.’


236313 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1462 of 1468 🔗

Honestly, these people are so incompetent, they can’t even use the English language properly. It’s “Give lives in order to protect the NHS”, dolt.

236309 2 pence, replying to 2 pence, 2, #1463 of 1468 🔗

Paramedic demonstrating how the test for coronavirus is performed…
using an apple juice sample.


236311 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to 2 pence, 2, #1464 of 1468 🔗

The sample on the left came up positive, right?

236319 John Stone, replying to John Stone, #1465 of 1468 🔗

Covid vaccines must be safe because Matt Hancock says so! Government concludes agreement with social media companies on Covid vaccine “mis-information” while GCHQ is to use “counter-terorism” measures



236426 ▶▶ CGL, replying to John Stone, #1466 of 1468 🔗

We can trust what he says can’t we?

236457 epythymy, replying to epythymy, #1467 of 1468 🔗

I’m a little late to this party but from what I understand, one of the main issues encountered by my local trust (Doncaster and Bassetlaw) is staff absence due to the isolation requirements. Last weekend 700 members of staff were apparently off sick. In addition to those shielding this must be a massive percentage of the staff, many of whom are not actually poorly but have either “been in contact” with someone who has tested positive or are required to look after a child who has been.

236458 ▶▶ epythymy, replying to epythymy, #1468 of 1468 🔗

Apparently they employ 6500 members of staff according to a quick Google.


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